irclog2html for #debian on 20051225

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`00:00.43`	`hammerabi`	`sfullenwider: yes, it works fine, which is unsurprising since it uses flash`
`00:00.54`	`kevinv`	`abrotman: well, when you know what the key is, write it down and check in gconf to see whats the matter with it. It could be as simple as the wrong value being assigned to it.`
`00:00.55`	`paulswm`	`sfullenwider: In order to jog, I'd have to leave my computer, I'm not nuts :P`
`00:01.04`	`mbrei`	`can someone help me with a scanner. sane-find-scanner finds my device, but scanimage -L doesn't list any scanners`
`00:01.06`	`sfullenwider`	`hammerabi: do you use the ATRAC?`
`00:01.17`	`abrotman`	`kevinv: i already deleted the key once`
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`00:01.26`	`hammerabi`	`silensius: if that's just a reference to appletalk file sharing, then yes, linux can at least read it`
`00:01.30`	`abrotman`	`psychonate: how'd the horror go ?`
`00:01.36`	`hammerabi`	`sfullenwider: no, vorbis`
`00:01.46`	`hammerabi`	`sfullenwider: did I miss a part of your question that specified sony players?`
`00:01.58`	`kevinv`	`abortman: did u try to re-install the app the key belongs to, or even gulp, re-install gconf.`
`00:02.06`	`psychonate`	`abrotman, well, it wasn't too crowded, but I didn't know what to get everyone :(`
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`00:02.18`	`psychonate`	`abrotman, the worst part is I realized I don't know how to wrap gifts haha`
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`00:02.34`	`abrotman`	`kevinv: i removed it .. and reinserted it .. it's minicommander`
`00:02.41`	`sfullenwider`	`hammerabi: No, I'm just looking for opinions on them, since they use MP3's they'll require the ability to use with Debian.`
`00:02.45`	`sfullenwider`	`And therefore on topic :)`
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`00:02.58`	`abrotman`	`psychonate: in bags ... black yard bags!`
`00:03.06`	`kevinv`	`psychonate: same here, i don't how to wrap gifts, but i know how to tarball one. :P`
`00:03.13`	`sfullenwider`	`I don't want to buy one to find that there is no way I can put MP3's on it without installing windows.`
`00:03.14`	`hammerabi`	`sfullenwider: I would not bother buying a sony mp3 player`
`00:03.25`	`a1fa`	`is linux-kernel 2.6.14-2-k7 fixed in sid?`
`00:03.35`	`abrotman`	`try it and find out`
`00:03.40`	`psychonate`	`kevinv, I don't think my family members would be very interested in any tarball'd gifts though heh`
`00:03.43`	`hammerabi`	`a1fa: you can check the BTS as easily as anyone else can; that is where that information will be recorded`
`00:03.45`	`sfullenwider`	`why not Sony?`
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`00:03.54`	`psychonate`	`kevinv, except maybe my father; he's a unix sys admin, so that's possible`
`00:04.29`	`psychonate`	`abrotman, I wrapped one gift, and it doesn't look very good. I decided I will let someone else do it for me heh`
`00:04.29`	`alvanson`	`if I'm using cdparanoia, would it make a difference if I ripped from an ATAPI drive under SCSI (ide-scsi) emulation versus no emulation (straight ATAPI)?`
`00:04.46`	`hammerabi`	`sfullenwider: why bother? they're generally free-access-hostile (e.g. I cannot, at all, copy music onto my rather expensive sony MD player)`
`00:04.53`	`psychonate`	`alvanson, dunno, but I use straight ATAPI with no problems`
`00:04.59`	`hammerabi`	`and all their recent players appear to look like ass, and be over priced`
`00:05.32`	`kevinv`	`psychonate: well, i'm the only one in my family that can even open a tarball'd gift. Sadly my other family members are stuck using zippers.`
`00:05.40`	`sfullenwider`	`hammerabi: what device do you use`
`00:05.42`	`sfullenwider`	`?`
`00:05.50`	`hammerabi`	`sfullenwider: iaudio makes very nice hard-disk and flash players, which require just usb-storage support (ie when I plug mine into my laptop, it automatically mounts as /media/IAUDIO/).`
`00:06.06`	`psychonate`	`kevinv, maybe rarers if they're feeling lucky ;)`
`00:06.16`	`kevinv`	`i do have a friend that seems to stuff everything he sees into a nothingness.`
`00:06.23`	`dvs`	`sfullenwider: I think neuros can play ogg files as well.`
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`00:06.34`	`psychonate`	`kevinv, expensive hobby`
`00:06.42`	`hammerabi`	`neuros seem to be highly hackable, too`
`00:07.00`	`LoRe`	`is there a way to limit the speed of an DVD drive? (it is to loud to watch a movie)`
`00:07.04`	`sfullenwider`	`It doesn't really matter to me what codec the players use, I can use nearly all of them on my setup. I just fear not being able to upload anything to them.`
`00:07.07`	`psychonate`	`kevinv, we will call that fellow "the prodigal one"`
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`00:07.53`	`hammerabi`	`sfullenwider: then staying away from sony is a great idea`
`00:08.02`	`kevinv`	`psychonate: very, since he can still even open tarball'd gifts, plus zippers, and even open gifts that have special codecs.`
`00:08.08`	`psychonate`	`sfullenwider, I care about codecs. I don't wanna rerip everything.`
`00:08.17`	`hammerabi`	`sfullenwider: iaudio, iriver and neuros (and probably most others) are trivially usable with cp`
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`00:08.35`	`Fujoor`	`anyone who knows a mp3 player for the console?`
`00:08.47`	`psychonate`	`Fujoor, mp3blaster, mpg123, mpg321`
`00:09.04`	`psychonate`	`Fujoor, mp3blaster is curses though AFAIK`
`00:09.05`	`azeem`	`what was the thingy tbm uses?`
`00:09.06`	`Fujoor`	`ah, ive heard about mpg123`
`00:09.13`	`sfullenwider`	`cp? Dear god I fear that command line`
`00:09.17`	`a1fa`	`~bts`
`00:09.18`	`apt`	`bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug`
`00:09.18`	`Fujoor`	`which one do you prefer of these three?`
`00:09.30`	`Fujoor`	`sfullenwider: cp used to rock in dos :)`
`00:09.31`	`kevinv`	`POLL: How many here create screenshots using only a command-line app?`
`00:09.39`	`azeem`	`cplay, I think`
`00:09.41`	`sfullenwider`	`Well codecs past a certain bitrate point are nearly lossless.`
`00:09.56`	`sfullenwider`	`As a side note, does anyone know of anything to convert FLAC files into something else?`
`00:10.09`	`psychonate`	`Fujoor, I never really use any of them, because I'm almost always in X. I used to like mp3blaster though`
`00:10.11`	`sfullenwider`	`Something more standard or pseudostandard?`
`00:10.12`	`azeem`	`kevinv: what's the point of that poll?`
`00:10.17`	`lakcaj`	`!poll`
`00:10.17`	`dpkg`	`"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>`
`00:10.18`	`psychonate`	`sfullenwider, decode the FLAC file, then reencode the resulting wav`
`00:10.30`	`sfullenwider`	`What can decode them?`
`00:10.36`	`psychonate`	`flac --decode`
`00:10.41`	`psychonate`	`;)`
`00:10.47`	`kevinv`	`azeem: simple, who uses this notation: xwd \| convert - desktop.png`
`00:11.09`	`kevinv`	`replacing desktop.png with any image format that Imagemagick can take.`
`00:11.50`	`kevinv`	`Kscreenshot lacks the use of a lot image formats. the gnome screenshot one does too.`
`00:12.43`	`psychonate`	`sfullenwider, it's fine to reencode lossless formats like FLAC to lossy formats like mp3. But note that you should not reencode lossy to lossy (e.g. Vorbis to mp3) unless you really have to.`
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`00:13.10`	`alvanson`	`!`
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`00:13.25`	`halibut`	`how can I check the time since last reboot?`
`00:13.28`	`sfullenwider`	`psychonate: I see no problem with it as long as you up the bitrates high enough. Not much would then be dropped as you wouldn't have any reason to drop bits that you do not have.`
`00:13.32`	`dvs`	`halibut: uptime`
`00:14.06`	`psychonate`	`sfullenwider, well, I suppose that is true, but I have always tried to steer clear of it`
`00:14.07`	`kevinv`	`well, i gota get going now. have to get some stuff done. hope that notation helps ppl create scripts, etc... ImageMagick can do way more then convert. I'd bet the creative mind can create some very creative scripts. lol`
`00:14.23`	`pngwn`	`halibut, uptime`
`00:14.29`	`dvs`	`pngwn: too late`
`00:14.35`	`psychonate`	`sfullenwider, it just seems like further, unnecessary loss`
`00:14.42`	`hammerabi`	`sfullenwider: vorbis and mp3 drop different portions of sound`
`00:14.57`	`hammerabi`	`I do not think it's safe to assume that the "quality loss" will be linear or tiny`
`00:15.30`	`psychonate`	`personally I'd rather not find out`
`00:15.33`	`sfullenwider`	`psychonate: My archive spans over 100 dvds, it's really to the point where I have to convert everything into one of the major standards if I expect them to be usable in the future.`
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`00:15.50`	`dvs`	`o_O`
`00:15.53`	`psychonate`	`dvds?`
`00:15.56`	`sfullenwider`	`I mean really, pirate mp3's are starting to fade already.`
`00:15.58`	`psychonate`	`ohh`
`00:16.01`	`psychonate`	`I see what you mean.`
`00:16.08`	`sfullenwider`	`psychonate: data dvds...`
`00:16.11`	`psychonate`	`yes`
`00:16.30`	`hammerabi`	`that is a lot of music`
`00:16.43`	`hammerabi`	`4.7GB = ~9 hours of flac`
`00:16.46`	`sfullenwider`	`Yes, it is. and yes, I have heard every song at least once.`
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`00:17.08`	`hammerabi`	`ah, plenty of time to appreciate it all then!`
`00:17.14`	`psychonate`	`heh`
`00:17.25`	`mhall`	`Has anybody got a link on setting up 802.1x wireless authentication against RADIUS MS-CHAPv2 and/or for simple WPA-PSK?`
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`00:17.56`	`sfullenwider`	`But its not all flac, or mp3, or ogg or wma. it's _everything_ I'm halfheartedly considering taking an entire weekend and encoding it into acc as that's probably not going to die soon.`
`00:18.03`	`hammerabi`	`WPA-PSK involves more than just installing xsupplicant?`
`00:18.17`	`hammerabi`	`transcoding a collection of downloaded random lossy files seems kinda pointless`
`00:18.20`	`mhall`	`hammerabi: yeah I tried all of that and it wasn't happening for me`
`00:18.30`	`psychonate`	`sfullenwider, I have to agree with hammerabi here`
`00:18.33`	`mhall`	`hammerabi: so i was hoping somebody could maybe give me some hints`
`00:18.50`	`hammerabi`	`and AAC is a bad choice for longevity in the medium-term, as it's patented`
`00:19.39`	`hammerabi`	`I'm not here, this isn't happening!`
`00:19.41`	`sfullenwider`	`My point is this: There are over 100 dvds. The point in the archive is to never lose a song (as I have encoded everything which went near my computer for more then 15 minutes) IF I use an encoding that is rare, or becomes rare, I loose the ability to play that song and it is lost, defeating the purpose of the archive.`
`00:19.59`	`hammerabi`	`no`
`00:20.00`	`mhall`	`hammerabi: FLAC?`
`00:20.01`	`hammerabi`	`this is not windows`
`00:20.11`	`hammerabi`	`mhall: www.flac.org, Xiph's lossless audio codec`
`00:20.14`	`sfullenwider`	`Therefore, in order for the Archive That Never Dies, to...not die...requires that the codecs used are as common as possible.`
`00:20.19`	`hammerabi`	`sfullenwider: this is silly`
`00:20.28`	`hammerabi`	`sfullenwider: download mplayer, burn it onto one of those dvds`
`00:20.34`	`mhall`	`hammerabi: i meant flac could be a good choice`
`00:20.45`	`psychonate`	`sfullenwider, yeah, I don't think you'll have to worry about losing support for the codecs`
`00:20.47`	`mhall`	`sfullenwider: consider biting the bullet and using FLAC`
`00:20.47`	`hammerabi`	`sfullenwider: now, you will be able to play your music for as long as POSIX systems exist`
`00:20.49`	`sfullenwider`	`one dvd cannot contain that much music.`
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`00:21.03`	`psychonate`	`anyway, gtg, have fun with the argument fellas ;)`
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`00:21.27`	`sfullenwider`	`The problem with FLAC is that it's not that common on Windows. People borrow my stuff all of the time.`
`00:21.47`	`hammerabi`	`sfullenwider: how do you see mplayer becoming unavailable to you?`
`00:21.55`	`sfullenwider`	`and I'm one of those people that believes that if it's not common on windows it has a greater risk of dissappearing.`
`00:22.10`	`sfullenwider`	`I don't see mplayer becomming unavailable as long as I have net access.`
`00:22.39`	`sfullenwider`	`and there are several copies on the dvds. but Mplayer doesn't come with many codecs standard.`
`00:22.39`	`hammerabi`	`sfullenwider: if you burn it onto a dvd, you don't even need internet access`
`00:22.50`	`hammerabi`	`then burn the various windows dlls it currently uses`
`00:23.14`	`hammerabi`	`this is not windows, you do not really need to worry about software not working`
`00:23.16`	`sfullenwider`	`Plus there is the possibility that some of the libraries Mplayer uses will not function (or mplayer will not function with those libraries) of a future Debian installation.`
`00:23.18`	`hammerabi`	`er, stopping working`
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`00:23.35`	`hammerabi`	`that is highly unlikely, since mplayer includes basically everything`
`00:23.50`	`sfullenwider`	`It doesn't according to it's docs.`
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`00:25.02`	`mhall`	`sfullenwider: WAV?`
`00:25.06`	`hammerabi`	`http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/info.html`
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`00:25.46`	`mhall`	`hammerabi: isn't it hammurabi?`
`00:25.48`	`paulswm`	`sfullenwider: There is also the possibility that DVDs will become obsolete and everything will be stored on nvram one day, I mean there's always a future risk`
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`00:26.13`	`hammerabi`	`mhall: yes, it's a lame pun (when all you have are hammers everything looks like a nail...)`
`00:26.18`	`krazykit`	`just installed debian, and i'm getting a segfault: the i810 audio module seems to be missing, not letting me startup.`
`00:26.19`	`sfullenwider`	`well DVD's are due to be obsolete in the near future anyway with Bluetooth or whatever the other competitor was.`
`00:26.24`	`paulswm`	`I've used mlayer for all sorts of stuff from the marillat repository with the win32 codecs`
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`00:26.28`	`paulswm`	`mplayer*`
`00:26.37`	`mhall`	`paulswm: i am afraid i missed the tail end of our kingsley rant`
`00:26.59`	`paulswm`	`mhall: I was done anyway, just rattling your chain :P`
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`00:27.04`	`mhall`	`paulswm: how did it turn out, and what happened with the roi-what'shisface may not swear at spammers thing`
`00:27.25`	`paulswm`	`mhall: It died quickly`
`00:27.30`	`mhall`	`paulswm: i had some angry parents, etc. so i had to make like a banana and split`
`00:27.38`	`paulswm`	`Heh`
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`00:28.18`	`mhall`	`paulswm: or if you're feeling trollish, i had to make like an abortion and head out early`
`00:29.12`	`stinky`	`hi`
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`00:29.25`	`mhall`	`stinky: g'day`
`00:31.25`	`mhall`	`wtf is up with this quietness`
`00:31.31`	`stinky`	`BAM`
`00:31.35`	`mhall`	`meh`
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`00:31.51`	`stinky`	`excuse me`
`00:31.53`	`a1fa`	`the new kernel update f0cked me hard`
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`00:34.15`	`mhall`	`!tell a1fa about sicco`
`00:34.15`	`mhall`	`!nickometer }{ermes`
`00:34.16`	`dpkg`	`'}{ermes' is 53.000% lame, mhall`
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`00:34.29`	`GloX`	`is there any way to forward all sound (I have no soundcard in my debian pc), to a windows pc ?`
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`00:34.29`	`GloX`	`over network ..`
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`00:34.29`	`a1fa`	`mhall: sicco?`
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`00:34.43`	`a1fa`	`mhall: lol u dumb ass :)`
`00:34.43`	`EdLin`	`GloX: unless Windows understands Linux sound daemons, that's impossible.`
`00:34.43`	`mhall`	`simple informative complete concise on-topic`
`00:34.43`	`a1fa`	`mhall: the kernel update in sid 2.6.14-2-686`
`00:34.43`	`a1fa`	`mhall: is fucked up`
`00:34.43`	`EdLin`	`!u`
`00:34.43`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`00:34.43`	`mhall`	`a1fa: well we can't help you with the kernel if you don't say the problem`
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`00:34.44`	`mhall`	`a1fa: so really the dumb ass would be you at the moment but you can change it by telling us the problem clearly`
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`00:34.45`	`mhall`	`!nickometer Buddha\|`
`00:34.45`	`dpkg`	`'Buddha\|' is 14.000% lame, mhall`
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`00:35.11`	`stinky`	`I have a question`
`00:35.51`	`azeem`	`mhall: please /msg the bot`
`00:35.51`	`ThePiratemaster`	`when i try to acces a user account on my apache server (http://domain/~devcore) is gives me "the file cannot be located" O_O. i know its there i can see it in my ftp and my ssh. anyidea on how to solve this?`
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`00:35.53`	`EdLin`	`!tell stinky -about ask`
`00:36.03`	`stinky`	`I'm trying to put the squashfs patch on 2.6.8 using kpkg`
`00:36.04`	`ThePiratemaster`	`O_O`
`00:36.04`	`a1fa`	`!tell mhall about dumbass`
`00:36.15`	`stinky`	`I'm on sarge`
`00:36.25`	`GloX`	`EdLin, what about NAS ?`
`00:36.25`	`GloX`	`http://radscan.com/nas.html`
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`00:37.32`	`stinky`	`and it says the patch doesn't go on 2.6.8 but it does on 2.6.8.1`
`00:37.32`	`smallfoot`	`can someone port BonziBuddy to linux?`
`00:37.32`	`mhall`	`oof ugly`
`00:37.32`	`mhall`	`smallfoot: </troll>`
`00:37.32`	`smallfoot`	`:(`
`00:37.32`	`EdLin`	`GloX: you know more about that then me.`
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`00:37.32`	`smallfoot`	`but the monkey is cute`
`00:37.36`	`mhall`	`so is your mom but nobody ported her to linux`
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`00:37.44`	`stinky`	`anyway what's the deal with the extraversion thing 2.6.8.1 and not 2.6.8?`
`00:38.08`	`azeem`	`stinky: 2.6.8 was busted, so they made 2.6.8.1`
`00:38.11`	`mhall`	`stinky: if you read kernel.org changelog you will see only a couple incremental tweaks of bugs discovered in 2.6.8 base`
`00:38.12`	`ThePiratemaster`	`when i try to acces a user account on my apache server (http://domain/~devcore) is gives me "the file cannot be located" O_O. i know its there i can see it in my ftp and my ssh. anyidea on how to solve this?`
`00:38.22`	`mhall`	`stinky: and you won't find any new features or drivers`
`00:38.26`	`robin_sz`	`jeezus! .. I think theres someone on the roof!`
`00:38.40`	`mhall`	`robin_sz: kick em in the shins`
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`00:38.57`	`robin_sz`	`fsck me .. it looks like some sort of deer`
`00:38.59`	`stinky`	`hmm`
`00:39.01`	`mhall`	`w00t, new build of the fox is out`
`00:39.04`	`robin_sz`	`wait, I'll get a gun ...`
`00:39.13`	`mhall`	`robin_sz: what FS format are you?`
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`00:39.26`	`Bonz`	`robin_sz: chuck somec4 at it`
`00:39.36`	`stinky`	`but isn't 2.6.8 the highest kernel on sarge?`
`00:39.41`	`mhall`	`Bonz: yeah man! you don't fuck around`
`00:39.43`	`blondie_`	`win move 12`
`00:39.45`	`blondie_`	`ffs`
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`00:40.03`	`mhall`	`blondie_: ?`
`00:40.04`	`robin_sz`	`Bonz: it? THEM, theres 8 of the fsckers and some old git in a sledge ...`
`00:40.09`	`azeem`	`stinky: the sarge kernel is essentially 2.6.8.1 AFAIK, plus whatever got patched in`
`00:40.11`	`ThePiratemaster`	`arent we on 2.6.15 now?`
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`00:40.19`	`azeem`	`ThePiratemaster: "sarge"`
`00:40.30`	`ThePiratemaster`	`ah right`
`00:40.32`	`blondie_`	`mhall: I don't like being kicked into other channels because if retarded rules and netsplits`
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`00:40.39`	`ThePiratemaster`	`missed that one :)`
`00:40.42`	`mhall`	`blondie_: ah righto`
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`00:41.06`	`stinky`	`it says 2.6.8-16. is that 2.6.8.1 with deb stuff?`
`00:41.16`	`mhall`	`ThePiratemaster: i'm thinking 2.6.14.4`
`00:41.26`	`mhall`	`ThePiratemaster: unless it came out in last couple hours`
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`00:41.57`	`azeem`	`stinky: I assume`
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`00:42.46`	`stinky`	`so why does the squashfs patch not go? it wants 2.6.8.1`
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`00:43.02`	`stinky`	`can I just change the apply file to make it go?`
`00:43.11`	`azeem`	`stinky: yeah, try that`
`00:43.30`	`stinky`	`okey dokey`
`00:43.32`	`stinky`	`kisses`
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`00:43.35`	`ThePiratemaster`	`when i try to acces a user account on my apache server (http://domain/~devcore) is gives me "the file cannot be located" O_O. i know its there i can see it in my ftp and my ssh. anyidea on how to solve this?`
`00:43.42`	`drivamgr2006`	`hiya azeem`
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`00:44.18`	`blondie`	`bye bye`
`00:44.20`	`drivamgr2006`	`uh oh... looks like another netsplit coming out way`
`00:44.39`	`drivamgr2006`	`or we are being recycled`
`00:44.53`	`ThePiratemaster`	`brace yerselvez mateys, there comez the BIG wayve`
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`00:45.03`	`ThePiratemaster`	`hold on to the masT!!!`
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`00:47.31`	`davor`	`hey guys!`
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`00:47.57`	`drivamgr2006`	`Welcome to #debian davor`
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`00:48.02`	`blondie`	`ERROR ERROR`
`00:48.17`	`abrotman`	`which kind?`
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`00:48.32`	`blondie`	`borkage kind :P`
`00:48.34`	`krazykit`	`ok, if anyone helped me last time, i'm terribly sorry... my network conked out, and i didn't get any messages after mine... i'll be right back with the specific error message that i get upon booting`
`00:48.49`	`drivamgr2006`	`You know the kind of error... the fscked up kind!!!`
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`00:48.53`	`drivamgr2006`	`lol`
`00:49.16`	`azeem`	`what's debhelper supposed to do?`
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`00:49.30`	`dvs`	`azeem: Set the max number of users for one`
`00:49.36`	`davor`	`can anyone help me with a problem i have been having since i upgraded to 2.6? my /etc/network/interfaces seems to be broken or something. when i do /etc/init.d/networking restart or when i start it by booting the computer it complains about "sit0: unknown hardware adress type 776" and it doesnt give me an IP, but when i log in as root and type "dhclient eth0" it shows the same warning but manages to give me an IP. the problem didnt show`
`00:49.36`	`davor`	`up til i upgraded to 2.6`
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`00:49.40`	`blondie`	`not impose silly limits :p`
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`00:50.30`	`abrotman`	`azeem: shouldn't you be waiting for santa ?`
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`00:50.31`	`astronut`	`anyone on tor?`
`00:50.43`	`dvs`	`!ne1`
`00:50.43`	`dpkg`	`There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s)`
`00:50.47`	`abrotman`	`astronut: huh ?`
`00:51.03`	`nimak`	`he typed anyone`
`00:51.08`	`astronut`	`oops`
`00:51.08`	`stew`	`great`
`00:51.11`	`abrotman`	`not that ..`
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`00:51.15`	`blondie`	`dvs: who said "ne1"`
`00:51.26`	`davor`	`does anyone have an idea of how i can fix my problem?`
`00:51.30`	`dvs`	`blondie: Wrong factoid. Sorry`
`00:51.31`	`azeem`	`abrotman: Santa visits on the evening of the 24th in .de`
`00:51.34`	`nimak`	`i thing you mean`
`00:51.35`	`astronut`	`abrotman: anyone using tor? I wanted someone to test the new blacklist on my network`
`00:51.36`	`blondie`	`:P`
`00:51.37`	`nimak`	`!poll`
`00:51.38`	`dpkg`	`"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>`
`00:51.45`	`abrotman`	`azeem: oh .. uhm .. ok`
`00:51.46`	`Bonz`	`davor: an8lb sledge will fix it`
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`00:51.52`	`sfullenwider_`	`meh`
`00:51.56`	`abrotman`	`astronut: why don't you use it ? .. it's easy to use :)`
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`00:52.46`	`dvs`	`get out!`
`00:52.46`	`davor`	`Bonz: hmm. perhaps...`
`00:52.47`	`krazykit`	`BAH`
`00:52.47`	`krazykit`	`ok`
`00:52.47`	`astronut`	`abrotman: overhead of installing and configuring for a 30 second test`
`00:52.48`	`krazykit`	`here's the error i'm having:`
`00:52.48`	`stew`	`!sing sussidio`
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`00:52.53`	`krazykit`	`"./pci.agent: line 156: 1434 Segmentation Fault"`
`00:53.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 563] by debhelper`
`00:53.04`	`krazykit`	`it seems to be missing the i810_audio kernel module`
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`00:53.16`	`krazykit`	`on a brand new install :-(`
`00:53.17`	`nimak`	`how do i get xorg working on nvidia?`
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`00:53.58`	`Bonz`	`nimak: give it a pay rise and/or better working conditions`
`00:54.12`	`sfullenwider`	`Now that the universe seems to have stabilized.`
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`00:54.58`	`nimak`	`Bonz, i can't afford that, whats the command to build the module to force it?`
`00:54.58`	`abrotman`	`astronut: but you're the one who wants to test :)`
`00:55.07`	`astronut`	`abrotman: just if they get klined`
`00:55.09`	`astronut`	`meh`
`00:55.19`	`stew`	`i found some extremely good beer in louisville tonight`
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`00:55.27`	`stew`	`who woulda thunk it`
`00:55.30`	`astronut`	`what port does it listen on?`
`00:55.43`	`abrotman`	`it's configurable i think`
`00:55.47`	`abrotman`	`stew: you lie!`
`00:56.04`	`stew`	`abrotman: no lie. i couldn't believe how good the selection was at the local "party mart"`
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`00:56.08`	`rox`	`is there a program that can edit PDF?`
`00:56.15`	`abrotman`	`!pdf`
`00:56.15`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, pdf is Pretty Dumb Format, or the Portable Document Format created by Adobe to replace PS for use with Acrobat or viewable with xpdf/kpdf/gpdf, adobe reader (free download, but closed source) or gv/gnome-gv. use ps.gz instead!`
`00:56.19`	`rox`	`available in debian?`
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`00:56.22`	`abrotman`	`that's not any help`
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`00:56.35`	`abrotman`	`damn it ... what is this guy's name`
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`00:57.07`	`abrotman`	`drrr .. Oddjob`
`00:57.28`	`abrotman`	`sometimes i feel like an Ubuntu user`
`00:57.30`	`rox`	`abrotman: indeed, that was of no help`
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`00:57.54`	`rox`	`abrotman: the alternative is to use pstoedit and then edit, but it seems rather awkward`
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`00:58.04`	`krazykit`	`um... there'd be no issue building a kernel (2.6.14) on another machine (i386) and just installing that kernel into debian, right?`
`00:58.06`	`abrotman`	`rox: anything invovling PDFs is awkward :)`
`00:58.07`	`davor`	`hey, guys. how do i disable ipv6?`
`00:58.13`	`davor`	`i want to remove sit0`
`00:58.20`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: you can use kernel-package to make it really really easy!`
`00:58.29`	`krazykit`	`it's a gentoo box...`
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`00:58.33`	`krazykit`	`>_>`
`00:58.44`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: what .. gentoo doesn't have kernel-package ?`
`00:58.53`	`rox`	`davor: if you have a stock kernel, you can just remove the modules`
`00:58.54`	`krazykit`	`uh, i can check, itprobably does`
`00:59.04`	`carcrashnights`	`Does anyone happen to use camserv? I'm terribly confused by the configuration file.`
`00:59.10`	`krazykit`	`but! i can't get into my system to use it`
`00:59.16`	`Shadowcat`	`sheesh`
`00:59.26`	`krazykit`	`it won't boot using the stock kernel, as the i810_audio module is missing`
`00:59.27`	`Shadowcat`	`gentoo does not have a kernel-package`
`00:59.33`	`Shadowcat`	`it has genkernel`
`00:59.34`	`davor`	`does anyone have an idea of how i can get rid of "sit0"?`
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`00:59.35`	`Shadowcat`	`which sucks`
`00:59.37`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: which stock kernel ?`
`00:59.42`	`stew`	`davor: blacklist the ipv6 modules ; /msg dpkg blacklist`
`00:59.44`	`krazykit`	`2.6.8`
`00:59.51`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: for the installer ?`
`00:59.59`	`Shadowcat`	`umm`
`01:00.09`	`Shadowcat`	`the debian stock kernel definately has snd-intel8x0`
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`01:00.17`	`krazykit`	`right. it installed OK, but when it reboots, i get a segfault, telling me i810_audio is missing`
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`01:00.19`	`Knorrie`	`davor: when sit0 has no adresses and no routes... why bother`
`01:00.28`	`abrotman`	`that certainly shouldn't segfault you`
`01:00.29`	`stew`	`krazykit: what does "uname -r" say?`
`01:00.30`	`drivamgr2006`	`Anyone know what #debian-overflow is for, and why you cannot send message to the channeL?`
`01:00.34`	`krazykit`	`"can't be loaded... missing kernel or user mode driver i810_audio"`
`01:00.35`	`Shadowcat`	`krazykit: then re-download the cd`
`01:00.37`	`abrotman`	`and how do you intend to install a new kernel when you can't boot it ?`
`01:00.48`	`Shadowcat`	`you probably have a corrupt image`
`01:00.50`	`krazykit`	`abrotman: chroot in via a knoppix disc`
`01:00.59`	`davor`	`Knorrie: because it messes with my standard interface and prevents it from finding the DHCP-server automatically at bootup. i have to "dhclient eth0" for it work`
`01:01.05`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: i know .. i spoke before i thought ... it happens twelve times a day`
`01:01.08`	`krazykit`	`dammit, i need to find that windows md5summer then...`
`01:01.13`	`stew`	`krazykit: this is a stock debian kernel?`
`01:01.15`	`abrotman`	`!win32 md5`
`01:01.17`	`abrotman`	`hrm`
`01:01.22`	`Knorrie`	`davor: standard interface?`
`01:01.22`	`Shadowcat`	`stew: he has a corrupt cd`
`01:01.29`	`abrotman`	`!win32 md5sum`
`01:01.30`	`dpkg`	`http://downloads.activestate.com/contrib/md5sum/Windows/`
`01:01.30`	`Shadowcat`	`the standard kernel has snd-intel8x0`
`01:01.40`	`Shadowcat`	`and it definatley DOES NOT segfault`
`01:01.42`	`davor`	`Knorrie: eth0, the one that worked in 2.4, when i didnt have ipv6 configured`
`01:01.43`	`abrotman`	`or he could boot the 2.4 .. then install the 2.6 later`
`01:01.44`	`stew`	`and i810_audio`
`01:01.45`	`Shadowcat`	`definately*`
`01:01.56`	`Shadowcat`	`stew: i810_audio is an alias`
`01:02.03`	`Shadowcat`	`the module's name is snd-intel8x0`
`01:02.12`	`stew`	`Shadowcat: no, one is oss, the other is alsa`
`01:02.17`	`Shadowcat`	`heh`
`01:02.21`	`drivamgr2006`	`i810 audio is oss`
`01:02.23`	`Knorrie`	`davor: do you have a correctly configured /etc/network/interfaces?`
`01:02.25`	`Shadowcat`	`ok I stand corrected`
`01:02.28`	`Shadowcat`	`but either way`
`01:02.29`	`Shadowcat`	`it works`
`01:02.30`	`drivamgr2006`	`snd-intel8x0 is alsa`
`01:02.40`	`Shadowcat`	`or i'd be the first one bitching about it as my laptop uses i810`
`01:02.52`	`Knorrie`	`davor: when switching from 2.4 to 2.6 the ipv6 support shouldn't break anything by default`
`01:03.00`	`krazykit`	`it makes no difference to me, using also or oss, tbh`
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`01:03.06`	`krazykit`	`err, alsa`
`01:03.16`	`drivamgr2006`	`my main machine uses snd-intel8x0 for my card, but works better with i810`
`01:03.31`	`drivamgr2006`	`debian in my view takes a dim view of alsa`
`01:03.38`	`Shadowcat`	`not really`
`01:03.43`	`Shadowcat`	`I don't have oss installed`
`01:03.47`	`Shadowcat`	`that makes things a bit easier`
`01:03.48`	`Shadowcat`	`>:)`
`01:03.49`	`drivamgr2006`	`i cant get snd-intel 8x0 to work on mine`
`01:03.57`	`Shadowcat`	`drivamgr2006: n00b :P`
`01:03.59`	`drivamgr2006`	`i have to use OSS`
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`01:04.08`	`davor`	`Knorrie: i THINK so. i refered to the manual just to be sure and i have the usual "iface eth0 inet dhcp"-crap (plus lo). it works fine in 2.4 (when there was no ipv6-support), but 2.6 borks it up. i also googled on it and alot of other people seem to be having the same trouble http://www.nabble.com/Setting-IP-address-not-working-t73414.html`
`01:04.09`	`drivamgr2006`	`I know, only had deb 3 days Shadowcat`
`01:04.14`	`drolyk`	`hi all`
`01:04.24`	`Shadowcat`	`drivamgr2006: well time to redownload the cd then`
`01:04.25`	`stew`	`drivamgr2006: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner`
`01:04.37`	`drivamgr2006`	`ya know what they say about first impressions though Shadowcat`
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`01:04.51`	`Shadowcat`	`drivamgr2006: ya but this is due to pebkac`
`01:04.56`	`Shadowcat`	`you have a corrupt cd`
`01:05.00`	`Shadowcat`	`it isn't the system's fault`
`01:05.02`	`drivamgr2006`	`Dont have a cd shadow, did all mine on netinstall`
`01:05.10`	`drivamgr2006`	`just have the bootable net iso`
`01:05.13`	`Shadowcat`	`that's still a cd`
`01:05.19`	`drivamgr2006`	`spose so...`
`01:05.23`	`drivamgr2006`	`:)`
`01:05.27`	`Shadowcat`	`!beat drivamgr2006`
`01:05.31`	`davor`	`Knorrie: it complains about "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776" when i try to run the init.d script`
`01:05.39`	`Shadowcat`	`now`
`01:05.42`	`drivamgr2006`	`!beer drivamgr2006`
`01:05.43`	`krazykit`	`drivamgr2006: best way to be when installing any linux distro :-P`
`01:05.46`	`Shadowcat`	`I usually pxe boot my boxes`
`01:05.56`	`Shadowcat`	`provided of course that you already have one installed`
`01:05.59`	`stew`	`davor: rmmod ipv6 ; and blacklist it: /msg dpkg blacklist`
`01:06.00`	`dvs`	`drivamgr2006: spike your egg nog a bit more`
`01:06.04`	`drivamgr2006`	`lol`
`01:06.11`	`krazykit`	`i want german beer :-(`
`01:06.20`	`stew`	`i forgot to make egg nog this year`
`01:06.24`	`krazykit`	`stupid united state's drinking age`
`01:06.36`	`abrotman`	`what's wrong with it ?`
`01:06.42`	`krazykit`	`it's 21.`
`01:06.42`	`drivamgr2006`	`How old you have to be to drink in the US then?`
`01:06.49`	`drivamgr2006`	`my god your psychic`
`01:06.51`	`abrotman`	`old enough to pee yourself`
`01:07.12`	`davor`	`stew: im going to have a go. brb, need to restart the network interfaces`
`01:07.18`	`abrotman`	`oh wait .. legally?`
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`01:07.25`	`krazykit`	`right, legally`
`01:07.35`	`abrotman`	`21 of course ...`
`01:07.49`	`krazykit`	`DAMN YOU WINDOWS CMD.EXE`
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`01:08.03`	`drivamgr2006`	`Just wait - if you like your alcohol, do not ever move to Sweden! The cost of alcohol there is somewhere between exorbitant and "Jeezus Christ, leave my wallet behind!"`
`01:08.03`	`dvs`	`krazykit: move to Germany`
`01:08.03`	`blondie`	`abrotman: of course? it's the only place that has such retarded laws :P`
`01:08.10`	`abrotman`	`i know :)`
`01:08.12`	`krazykit`	`dvs: i was there this summer`
`01:08.12`	`stew`	`there is no drinking age in the united states, its up to the individual states, most states is 21 but not all`
`01:08.22`	`drivamgr2006`	`England's drink age is 18, Iceland's is 16`
`01:08.54`	`drivamgr2006`	`I know, I was drinking in iceland on my 16th birthday! My god, how 15 years passes when you dont stop to think about it!`
`01:09.07`	`krazykit`	`ah good, the md5sums match`
`01:09.50`	`drivamgr2006`	`:)`
`01:10.01`	`krazykit`	`drivamgr2006: :-O curse you!`
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`01:10.43`	`drivamgr2006`	`I bet a game of literati would never be that much fun krazykit`
`01:10.45`	`davorb`	`ok, im back`
`01:10.55`	`drivamgr2006`	`Imagine trying to unscramble an md5`
`01:10.58`	`drivamgr2006`	`lol`
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`01:11.11`	`davorb`	`the sit0-problem is gone now. but i just noticed that at boot it complains about my interface file beeing "deprecated". what does that mean?`
`01:11.22`	`Daedric`	`question... what is debian-overflow ?`
`01:11.26`	`stew`	`davor: interface? or /etc/network/options?`
`01:11.33`	`krazykit`	`pfff, drivamgr2006, that's nothing compared to unscrambling binary :-P`
`01:11.46`	`stew`	`Daedric: overflow is where you get sent when people are /joining #debian too fast`
`01:12.02`	`drivamgr2006`	`not too hard is it, i mean its only 1s and 0s... hw complex could it be??? :D`
`01:12.03`	`Daedric`	`stew oh i see...`
`01:12.05`	`abrotman`	`Daedric: it does tell you that in the topic :)`
`01:12.12`	`davorb`	`i think it was /etc/network/interfaces. not sure..`
`01:12.25`	`Daedric`	`abrotman i was requested to leave the channel... i had the channel tab opened.... but i wasn't there anymore`
`01:12.27`	`dvs`	`davorb: Nah, I believe stew`
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`01:12.49`	`stew`	`davorb: /etc/network/interfaces isn't deprecated but /etc/network/options is, you should be using sysctl.conf instead of /etc/network/options, man sysctl.conf ; man sysctl`
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`01:13.05`	`davorb`	`stew: aha... thanks buddy`
`01:13.37`	`ongeboren`	`hi, gdm keeps on telling me to fix my configuration and is not loading the gdm greeter anymore.. how do i fix it?`
`01:14.26`	`drivamgr2006`	`right all i am off to get some zzzzzzzzz's. Take care all and Merry Christmas/Happy Hannukah/Happy Kwanza / Happy $whatever-the-hell-you-celebrate!`
`01:14.26`	`abrotman`	`probably by fixing your config file :)`
`01:14.41`	`abrotman`	`$-or-dont-celebrate :)`
`01:14.46`	`drivamgr2006`	`lol`
`01:14.49`	`drivamgr2006`	`night`
`01:14.56`	`ongeboren`	`i tried to reinstall and dpkg-reconfigure it but it didn't touch the config file..`
`01:15.17`	`davorb`	`stew: but i dont think that's what's beein causing me my problems. that doesn't seem to have alot to do with it.`
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`01:15.21`	`dvs`	`ongeboren: which config file?`
`01:15.26`	`abrotman`	`!confmiss`
`01:15.26`	`dpkg`	`the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>`
`01:15.31`	`abrotman`	`ongeboren: ^^`
`01:15.47`	`ongeboren`	`dvs, gdm.. it's telling me to fix the config file and is not loading the gdm greeter`
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`01:16.20`	`ongeboren`	`ahh, ok`
`01:17.02`	`abrotman`	`ongeboren: you probably wnat to move your gdm.conf out of the way first`
`01:17.52`	`davorb`	`and hmm... IPv6 seems to be back, despite the fact that i blacklisted it`
`01:19.35`	`davorb`	`hmm... brb`
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`01:20.01`	`ongeboren`	`humm, still the same.. more exactly there is something wrong with the "logon line"`
`01:20.18`	`DevilChaos`	`hi folks busy tonight! merry christmas`
`01:20.42`	`krazykit`	`happy early hannukkah!`
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`01:21.22`	`DevilChaos`	`is there a good formatting tool i can use for debian i need to formatt a hard disk i just bought plz?`
`01:21.39`	`abrotman`	`fdisk ?`
`01:21.41`	`abrotman`	`cfdisk ?`
`01:22.20`	`DevilChaos`	`cfdisk linux formatter right?`
`01:22.36`	`krazykit`	`if you want something pretty, qtparted`
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`01:22.38`	`abrotman`	`cfdisk .. try it`
`01:22.44`	`abrotman`	`eww .. qtparted is for girls`
`01:22.52`	`dvs`	`ahhahah`
`01:23.16`	`DevilChaos`	`cant do it with win fdisk on the boot floppy because i have an ata riser card and the fsdisk on the floppy isnt seeing the new harddrive`
`01:23.25`	`krazykit`	`ok, booting the new installation`
`01:23.37`	`krazykit`	`DAMN`
`01:23.41`	`krazykit`	`same error`
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`01:23.53`	`abrotman`	`!sarge 2.6.14`
`01:23.53`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614`
`01:24.54`	`krazykit`	`eh?`
`01:25.14`	`DevilChaos`	`cfdisk not found in dselect`
`01:25.15`	`ongeboren`	`humm, remove --purge for gdm and gdm-themes and reinstalling them again didn't solve it.. what else can I try to reinstall ? the whole linux ? heh :)`
`01:25.28`	`abrotman`	`!find cfdisk`
`01:25.37`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'cfdisk' (3): (/usr/bin/docfdisk) in utils/mtd-tools ;; (/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/IBM7248-HOWTO/cfdisk.html) in doc/doc-linux-html ;; (/sbin/cfdisk, /usr/share/doc/util-linux/README.cfdisk.gz) in utils/util-linux.`
`01:25.50`	`abrotman`	`DevilChaos: util-linux`
`01:25.57`	`abrotman`	`ongeboren: can you paste the errors somewhere /`
`01:25.58`	`abrotman`	`?`
`01:25.58`	`krazykit`	`ok. this sucks now. i get the same missing kernel error, and i'm about ready to ask someone to just email me the kernel module, and ask where i should stick it.`
`01:26.25`	`azeem`	`krazykit: don't accept kernel modules from strangers`
`01:26.33`	`krazykit`	`yeah, i know`
`01:26.44`	`dvs`	`muhahahahah`
`01:26.46`	`krazykit`	`but this is ticking me off.`
`01:26.57`	`ongeboren`	`abrotman, it's a gui window.. i can't find those errors in the log files.. ideas where to search for them ?`
`01:27.19`	`abrotman`	`ongeboren: /var/log/gdm.log ?`
`01:27.21`	`krazykit`	`guh, i'm just gonna build the kernel on my gentoo box and move it over`
`01:27.25`	`krazykit`	`bbiab`
`01:27.38`	`abrotman`	`bets that doesn't work? :)`
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`01:28.34`	`tuv`	`has anybody tried konspire p2p program (konspire.sf.net)? i wonder where one can find a list of available konspire channels..`
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`01:29.30`	`ongeboren`	`found it.. it's /var/log/gdm/:20.log and it says "(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX" now i know what to fix`
`01:29.33`	`dvs`	`abrotman: You're wrong! He's back!`
`01:29.49`	`abrotman`	`doesn'tmean it worked`
`01:29.56`	`krazykit`	`no, i'm on my other machine`
`01:30.02`	`krazykit`	`i can't build a kernel that fast`
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`01:30.25`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: what .. i thought gentoo was FAST!`
`01:30.47`	`krazykit`	`abrotman: you'd think that, coming from some gentoo users @_@`
`01:31.24`	`krazykit`	`i haven't really noticed that much of a difference. it's more that i'm too lazy to switch this machine to anything else, because it's all set up how i like it`
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`01:32.13`	`DevilChaos`	`abrotman: thx:)`
`01:33.06`	`ongeboren`	`are there any issues with nvidia and xorg ?`
`01:33.14`	`Buddha\|`	`krazykit - they tweak their systems for speed to try to get back all the time they used compiling everything`
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`01:33.46`	`krazykit`	`Buddha\|: yeah, i know the usual debian complaints about gentoo... being primarily a gentoo user myself :-P`
`01:34.06`	`krazykit`	`fsck! a stuck pixel`
`01:34.18`	`Buddha\|`	`krazykit - I used to use Gentoo. I was just making a joke, anyway.`
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`01:34.48`	`krazykit`	`Buddha\|: have you seen the thread on the gentoo forums, "Ricing 170%" or something like that? it's terribly funny`
`01:35.59`	`krazykit`	`hrm... what's a celeron-m processor? "pentium m" or "pentium-4/celeron(p4-based)/pentium-4 m/xeon" ?`
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`01:36.21`	`holid0r`	`fuck`
`01:36.26`	`holid0r`	`and their law`
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`01:36.41`	`holid0r`	`fuck em i mean, sorry guys`
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`01:36.58`	`colk`	`heh ive had 3 machines distcc gentoo`
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`01:41.02`	`abrotman`	`!moo`
`01:41.02`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
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`01:42.49`	`Bonz`	`I like the picture, whose hair brained idea was that?`
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`01:43.44`	`Bonz`	`next we'll be getting oh no they killed kenny in the middle of our installs too`
`01:44.17`	`azeem`	`holid0r: quoting song lyrics as your first action after joining is considered off-topic, I think`
`01:44.21`	`azeem`	`so please stop it`
`01:45.12`	`Bonz`	`colk: whats a gentoo? I see no package called gentoo in debian`
`01:45.33`	`resiak`	`!info gentoo`
`01:45.34`	`colk`	`its another distro that ive used`
`01:45.36`	`dpkg`	`gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.46-1 (sid), Packaged size: 741 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB`
`01:45.40`	`resiak`	`Bonz: I do ^^^`
`01:45.55`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`01:45.59`	`abrotman`	`!lose Bonz`
`01:45.59`	`dpkg`	`Bonz: You Lose.`
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`01:46.05`	`resiak`	`\o/`
`01:46.07`	`Bonz`	`ahh in sid not woody :)`
`01:46.12`	`resiak`	`!info gentoo woody`
`01:46.17`	`dpkg`	`gentoo: (A fully GUI configurable X file manager using GTK+), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.19-1 (woody), Packaged size: 534 kB, Installed size: 1220 kB`
`01:46.21`	`resiak`	`XD`
`01:46.21`	`abrotman`	`heheh`
`01:46.23`	`abrotman`	`!lose Bonz`
`01:46.23`	`dpkg`	`Bonz: You Lose.`
`01:46.25`	`Bonz`	`yup I found it`
`01:46.27`	`resiak`	`!pal Bonz`
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`01:46.31`	`resiak`	`BAMF`
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`01:47.48`	`Bonz`	`no wonder I knew nothing bout it, its some x/gtk thing which would be hopeless on machines that exceed loads of 13 when running x`
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`01:49.20`	`binary_dreamer`	`i installed some programs using the apt-get install. how can i update the k menu so i could the installed programms in the k menu?`
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`01:49.43`	`abrotman`	`binary_dreamer: is the package 'menu' isntalled ?`
`01:49.49`	`abrotman`	`or menu-xdg ?`
`01:50.07`	`binary_dreamer`	`abrotman, i have no idea. how do i check?`
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`01:50.17`	`abrotman`	`dpkg -l \| grep menu`
`01:50.17`	`dpkg`	`ii \| grep menu 3.6-15.2 abrotman's private stamp collection`
`01:50.20`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: shuddup`
`01:50.20`	`dpkg`	`Fine, I'll be quiet.`
`01:50.33`	`Shadowcat`	`hahahaha`
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`01:50.38`	`Shadowcat`	`!abrotman`
`01:50.38`	`dpkg`	`somebody said abrotman was someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?"`
`01:50.57`	`abrotman`	`thank god .. the site is down and i can't win the poll`
`01:51.19`	`binary_dreamer`	`abrotman, shall i paste the output here?`
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`01:52.12`	`Buddha\|`	`dpkg: speak`
`01:52.12`	`dpkg`	`ARFFFFFFFFFFFF`
`01:52.19`	`tuv`	`has anybody tried konspire p2p program (konspire.sf.net)? i wonder where one can find a list of available konspire channels..`
`01:52.49`	`binary_dreamer`	`abrotman, what shall i do?`
`01:52.52`	`wnorrix`	`I need help installing Debian (AMD64) using RAID1. The issue is the debian installer freezes running mkinitrd`
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`01:53.25`	`abrotman`	`binary_dreamer: just tell me if they're installed`
`01:53.41`	`abrotman`	`wnorrix: pure64 ?`
`01:53.43`	`Bonz`	`wnorrix: turn up the heat then`
`01:54.11`	`binary_dreamer`	`abrotman, menu, menu-xdg, kmenuedit, pppconfig are listed.`
`01:54.32`	`abrotman`	`update-menus ?`
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`01:54.43`	`abrotman`	`binary_dreamer: i mean .. can you run update-menus ?`
`01:54.51`	`abrotman`	`binary_dreamer: where did you get oyur KDE ?`
`01:54.59`	`binary_dreamer`	`abrotman, one sec pls`
`01:55.04`	`n9pkl`	`anyone know why kpackage would want to remove half my packages whenever I try to install new KDE aps?`
`01:55.14`	`Bonz`	`wnorrix: I take it non raid images boot on the same hardware fine?`
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`01:56.08`	`abrotman`	`n9pkl: because you're running testing or unstable`
`01:56.11`	`efaistos`	`hi`
`01:56.29`	`Gigs`	`I'm trying to install the APA class for LyX and LaTeX, I'm kinda confused by there being two texmf.cnf files on my system. I looked at the one in /etc/ and it says to put packages in /usr/local/share/texmf/, so I put apa and apacite there, ran texhash, reconfigured LyX and it didn't pick them up :(`
`01:56.42`	`Bonz`	`n9pkl: because kde sucks & is almost constantly being upgraded`
`01:56.43`	`binary_dreamer`	`abrotman, i got sarge. i did not upgrade any package. update-menus works, but not for all installed programms.mplayer is not listed in the kmenu. any ideas?`
`01:57.06`	`beginer`	`i want to set a file from init.d to run only at boot time...`
`01:57.07`	`abrotman`	`binary_dreamer: mplayer is not in debian .. i don't know if it creates a menu item`
`01:57.10`	`n9pkl`	`testing. so then when install a kde package, it dumps my testing stuff? makes sense now`
`01:57.12`	`xsdg`	`so is X.org suggested now over xfree86? (I noticed that x-window-system in etch seems to install x.org instead of xfree86)`
`01:57.17`	`abrotman`	`beginer: /etc/init.d/README`
`01:57.28`	`n9pkl`	`Tried to go to gnome. crashed my system`
`01:57.40`	`binary_dreamer`	`abrotman, oh ok then.`
`01:57.45`	`doub`	`beginer: the debian reference at http://qref.sf.net has all the gory details`
`01:57.47`	`binary_dreamer`	`abrotman, thanx anyway`
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`01:58.27`	`efaistos`	`does someone know why i cant increase xfs fs after a lvextend ? I did lvextend /dev/vg01/lv_test but then when i tried xfs_growfs /home/test i got this message : xfs_growfs: XFS_IOC_FSGROWFSDATA xfsctl failed: no space left on device`
`01:58.43`	`beginer`	`i use update-rc.d but when i shutdown, my file is run again...`
`01:58.47`	`doub`	`efaistos: because there's no space left on the device maybe ? ;)`
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`01:59.14`	`doub`	`efaistos: you can't extend when the disk is full. don't ask me why, it's being boring to me too at times ;)`
`01:59.15`	`efaistos`	`doub, but when i tape a lvdisplay it indicates that there is some`
`01:59.26`	`abrotman`	`beginer: did you check /etc/rc0.d/ or /etc/rc6.d/ ... did you tell update-rc.d to use defaults ?`
`01:59.49`	`beginer`	`yes... defautlt...`
`01:59.57`	`abrotman`	`that's why it runs at shutdown`
`02:00.16`	`doub`	`efaistos: probably not on the file system. the LV contains the filesystem. if the filesystem is full, even if there are 500 Tb free on the LV, it won't work`
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`02:00.27`	`beginer`	`so... how i mus use to run unly at boot?`
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`02:00.48`	`efaistos`	`doub, so if it's full what i have to do ?`
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`02:01.09`	`doub`	`efaistos: remove a file. you don't need much space, just it not being full`
`02:01.13`	`Bonz`	`doub: easy fixed cp /dev/null <filesystem> will give it lotsa room`
`02:01.45`	`doub`	`Bonz: you win!`
`02:02.10`	`Bonz`	`doub: is that a good thing?`
`02:02.14`	`efaistos`	`doub, thanks its okay`
`02:02.14`	`efaistos`	`now`
`02:02.18`	`efaistos`	`:p`
`02:02.24`	`doub`	`Bonz: i don't know, what do you think ?`
`02:02.46`	`Bonz`	`doub: if I go on the opinions of others I dont :)`
`02:03.29`	`doub`	`Bonz: well, maybe that's the problem`
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`02:04.07`	`Bonz`	`uhuh`
`02:04.14`	`binary_dreamer`	`anybody that could tell me a repository for kde 3.5, for stable?`
`02:04.29`	`beginer`	`i must use "start" in place of "default" ?`
`02:04.42`	`Bonz`	`current stable?`
`02:04.44`	`abrotman`	`beginer: read the man page .. it should explain it all :)`
`02:04.46`	`_Casper`	`Hi friends. Can I put stuff for wireless interfaces in /etc/networks/interfaces ...like essid and WEP keys?`
`02:04.52`	`Bonz`	`or stable of the past?`
`02:05.07`	`azeem`	`_Casper: yes`
`02:05.25`	`azeem`	`wireless_essid foo`
`02:05.31`	`azeem`	`wireless_key bar`
`02:05.35`	`binary_dreamer`	`Bonz, current stable. i am running sarge, and i would like to upgrade kde to 3.5. any ideas?`
`02:05.50`	`azeem`	`and wireless_mode managed`
`02:05.56`	`doub`	`_Casper: you can do whatever pleases you. the only problem is it being any useful, in fact ;)`
`02:06.07`	`beginer`	`i read it... but i'm not so sure... so... i ask here...`
`02:06.29`	`azeem`	`doub: what is ELIZA mode?`
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`02:06.47`	`_Casper`	`azeem: thanks much.`
`02:06.49`	`azeem`	`being deliberately obtuse?`
`02:06.49`	`jamester`	`happy holiday all`
`02:06.53`	`azeem`	`_Casper: cheers`
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`02:07.15`	`Guerin`	`azeem: M-x doctor RET`
`02:08.15`	`mentor`	`216.165.191.52 is a freenode server? Anyone else unable to connect to it? Has it been removed from rotation already?`
`02:08.26`	`doub`	`Guerin: you forgot to mention it's in the EMACS OS`
`02:08.28`	`abrotman`	`mentor: it's VERY slow`
`02:08.58`	`abrotman`	`mentor: it's zelany i think .. took me a while to connect`
`02:09.08`	`Guerin`	`doub: emacs isn't an OS`
`02:09.12`	`Guerin`	`doub: it lacks a kernel!`
`02:09.37`	`Buddha\|`	`Guerin - they're working on that...`
`02:09.53`	`doub`	`Guerin: right. my bad`
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`02:10.41`	`doub`	`Guerin: but that doesn't prevent it from being useful nonetheless`
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`02:10.45`	`NyteRukh`	`res`
`02:10.52`	`doub`	`!start an editor war`
`02:10.53`	`dpkg`	`ae users need to get out more often`
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`02:11.49`	`Malagmyr`	`JIHAD!`
`02:11.57`	`doub`	`what's "out" ?`
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`02:12.42`	`Malagmyr`	`ha`
`02:12.44`	`Malagmyr`	`hahah`
`02:12.45`	`Malagmyr`	`ha.`
`02:13.16`	`Malagmyr`	`I'm laughing.`
`02:13.18`	`Malagmyr`	`Really.`
`02:13.21`	`Malagmyr`	`I am!`
`02:13.32`	`doub`	`!tell Malagmyr -about enter`
`02:13.47`	`Malagmyr`	`Still laughing.`
`02:14.03`	`abrotman`	`about what ?`
`02:14.58`	`Malagmyr`	`doub asking what "out" is. As if he's been "in" long enough to forget there's an opposite. Ha.`
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`02:15.21`	`Malagmyr`	`No really, I'm just tired. Merry christmas everyone.`
`02:15.23`	`Buddha\|`	`what's 'ae'?`
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`02:15.38`	`abrotman`	`!info ae sarge`
`02:15.48`	`Guerin`	`another editor`
`02:16.15`	`n9pkl`	`what does that make 400 and counting`
`02:16.20`	`abrotman`	`!find bin/ae$ woody`
`02:16.37`	`doub`	`abrotman: the closest match in etch is aee`
`02:17.11`	`krazykit`	`bloody... does knoppix not have a useable command line text editor that's not vim or emacs? grrr...`
`02:17.14`	`abrotman`	`guess that would be it`
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`02:17.25`	`Guerin`	`krazykit: ask #knoppix`
`02:17.28`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: ask #knoppix ?`
`02:17.33`	`Guerin`	`i think they use joe by default`
`02:17.34`	`krazykit`	`yeah, yeah, i know`
`02:17.44`	`Guerin`	`braindeadest decision ever`
`02:17.56`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/ae' returned no results.`
`02:19.04`	`Buddha\|`	`everyone should just use nano`
`02:19.13`	`jamester`	`nano is cool`
`02:19.14`	`n9pkl`	`Thanks for the help. Think I found a new place to hide and learn.`
`02:19.34`	`Buddha\|`	`or xed`
`02:19.38`	`bucky`	`or mc`
`02:19.46`	`abrotman`	`use sex!`
`02:19.54`	`krazykit`	`<3 sex`
`02:19.56`	`Buddha\|`	`mc is ugly`
`02:20.00`	`krazykit`	`um...`
`02:20.07`	`krazykit`	`it's a fun program >_>`
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`02:21.17`	`Matt-H`	`yay nano!`
`02:21.23`	`azeem`	`sigh`
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`02:21.46`	`Malagmyr`	`I forgot my hat`
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`02:21.55`	`jamester`	`alias sex=nano`
`02:21.56`	`jamester`	`lol`
`02:22.10`	`abrotman`	`wtf ...`
`02:22.22`	`doub`	`i think it's really christmas, today, no doubt`
`02:22.25`	`krazykit`	`you know, sex is the one that spouts dirty mad-lib stuff`
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`02:22.27`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: christmastime in north america`
`02:22.41`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: no way!`
`02:22.43`	`doub`	`so much trolls without anyone bothering to complain`
`02:22.46`	`krazykit`	`not quite christmastime... it's only 21:23 at the latest`
`02:22.47`	`_Casper`	`Woohoo! Got my wpc54g working!`
`02:23.03`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: it's only 2130-ish`
`02:23.05`	`Matt-H`	`02:22 in England! :-)`
`02:23.23`	`doub`	`3:23 in france`
`02:23.35`	`doub`	`ahem`
`02:23.35`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: nevertheless`
`02:23.37`	`Guerin`	`well`
`02:23.39`	`rox`	`can somebody please suggest a way to concatenate some pdf files?`
`02:23.52`	`Guerin`	`rox: can't`
`02:23.52`	`rox`	`i mean tools`
`02:24.03`	`Guerin`	`rox: pdftk might have some hackish way`
`02:24.22`	`doub`	`rox: you can try translating them to ps first, and then play with the ps command line tools`
`02:24.39`	`Buddha\|`	`rox: cat pdf2.pdf >> pdf1.pdf`
`02:24.40`	`doub`	`rox: but this can get tricky`
`02:25.15`	`Guerin`	`Buddha\|: stupids`
`02:25.16`	`Buddha\|`	`no idea if that would actually work or not, but it's worth a shot. I'd back up both files first, though.`
`02:25.17`	`rox`	`Guerin && doub: ok ... so i found this pstoedit tool that converts pdf to something editable ... would this be the way to go?`
`02:25.27`	`rox`	`Buddha\|: you are right`
`02:25.48`	`abrotman`	`Buddha\|: that doesn't work`
`02:25.48`	`Guerin`	`rox: the real way is to get the source for each file, edit them together, and build a new pdf`
`02:26.01`	`abrotman`	`Buddha\|: iirc .. PDFs have a special EOF char string`
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`02:26.33`	`Bonz`	`Guerin: nah better too avoid pdf altogether & go with postscript/xml or something that works`
`02:26.51`	`krazykit`	`ok, i hope this new kernel works`
`02:26.53`	`Guerin`	`Bonz: obviously.`
`02:27.08`	`abrotman`	`!bless krazykit`
`02:27.09`	`dpkg`	`O $DEITY, bless your child krazykit, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen.`
`02:27.20`	`krazykit`	`indeed`
`02:27.23`	`doub`	`rox: don't know. pdf are meant not to be edited. even with the official adobe tools you can't really reformat a pdf once created`
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`02:28.12`	`rox`	`ok, so i have to glue a bunch of pdf files still ...`
`02:28.20`	`Guerin`	`pdf = permanently damaged fuckup`
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`02:28.30`	`krazykit`	`ok, so. i get grub "error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format" so obviously something's wrong with the kernel.`
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`02:28.44`	`rox`	`i'll go with pstoedit into svg and then cat thm with inkscape or something`
`02:28.53`	`Guerin`	`rox: use pdftotext to extract the text, reformat it in an editor, and build a new one`
`02:29.50`	`Bonz`	`pathelogically deranged format`
`02:30.01`	`Guerin`	`Bonz: that's better`
`02:30.13`	`rox`	`well, just cating them together makes xpdf only desplay the first file`
`02:31.10`	`Bonz`	`rox: I'm yet too find anything that decrypts pdf well, even from the authors of the format`
`02:31.16`	`rox`	`how about Paranoid and Delusional Format`
`02:34.38`	`krazykit`	`err... would there be an issue with building a kernel on a computer with a different version of gcc? iirc, debian uses 3.3.5, and i'm using 3.4.4 on the machine i'm building the kernel on`
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`02:36.23`	`azeem`	`krazykit: why don't you build it on Debian?`
`02:36.47`	`krazykit`	`because i can't boot into debian`
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`02:37.09`	`krazykit`	`sort of a catch-22.`
`02:37.46`	`azeem`	`as long as you're building the whole kernel and not just a module, you should be fine I guess`
`02:37.51`	`xsdg`	`krazykit: I didn't catch most of your question, but what's your potential issue?`
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`02:38.03`	`krazykit`	`ok, so. i get grub "error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format" so obviously something's wrong with the kernel.`
`02:38.10`	`krazykit`	`when i copied it over`
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`02:38.14`	`azeem`	`is that a stock kernel?`
`02:38.17`	`azeem`	`oh`
`02:38.18`	`krazykit`	`nope`
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`02:38.33`	`xsdg`	`krazykit: are you compiling on a different arch?`
`02:38.37`	`Bonz`	`krazykit: simple then try a different kernel or redownload the borked one`
`02:39.09`	`krazykit`	`xsdg: uh... don't think so. both machines are pentium-4 types`
`02:39.17`	`Bonz`	`krazykit: does it work with a stock kernel?`
`02:39.22`	`krazykit`	`no!`
`02:39.26`	`krazykit`	`it doesn't`
`02:39.31`	`krazykit`	`which is the issue`
`02:39.46`	`xsdg`	`krazykit: is the filesystem clean?`
`02:39.49`	`krazykit`	`yeah`
`02:40.00`	`azeem`	`why doesn't it boot the stock kernel?`
`02:40.01`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: did i win the bet?`
`02:40.05`	`Bonz`	`hmm google/fav search engine give you potential issues/fixes for your hardware?`
`02:40.08`	`krazykit`	`abrotman: there was a bet?`
`02:40.18`	`krazykit`	`azeem: it gave a missing module error`
`02:40.21`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: sorry .. i bet on the failure of your kernel :)`
`02:40.37`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: but the odds were in your favor!`
`02:40.39`	`azeem`	`krazykit: did you try booting to single-user mode, or with init=/bin/sh`
`02:40.42`	`krazykit`	`i even redownloaded the iso, checked the md5sums, and reinstalled, and STILL got the error`
`02:40.47`	`krazykit`	`azeem: ...eh?`
`02:40.50`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: does a 2.4 work ?`
`02:40.56`	`krazykit`	`iunno about 2.4`
`02:41.01`	`azeem`	`krazykit: is this during installation?`
`02:41.06`	`krazykit`	`but i want 2.6 because of laptop things`
`02:41.14`	`krazykit`	`azeem: it's after installation i get the missing module error`
`02:41.26`	`azeem`	`when you reboot into it?`
`02:41.30`	`jdhutchin1`	`krazykit, at what point in the grub bootup do you get the error 13?`
`02:41.33`	`Bonz`	`krazykit: how bout trying something that works first too elliminate potential issues`
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`02:41.54`	`azeem`	`krazykit: you could try a 2.4 first to have something installed, and then switch to 2.6`
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`02:42.47`	`krazykit`	`ok`
`02:42.53`	`krazykit`	`i need to switch rooms though`
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`02:42.56`	`beardousa`	`I added a program to my gnome startup list, and I need to remove it because it's preventing gnome from starting. How do I do that?`
`02:43.00`	`EdLin`	`!room`
`02:43.00`	`dpkg`	`CHANNEL!`
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`02:43.21`	`einsteinmg`	`how to recover deleted files on xfs?`
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`02:43.32`	`RoundQube`	`hello all`
`02:43.46`	`einsteinmg`	`hi`
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`02:44.34`	`RoundQube`	`are there any issues with installing debian testing on 2 sata drives in raid1 using adaptec 1210sa? i've tried and it still shows me both drives instead of installing just to the raid setup`
`02:44.44`	`RoundQube`	`i setup raid in the adaptec bios as raid1`
`02:44.51`	`RoundQube`	`i only get options for software raid`
`02:44.54`	`sdakota`	`hi`
`02:45.12`	`Bonz`	`gee lotsa ppl smoking weed today`
`02:45.12`	`EdLin`	`einsteinmg: if xfs is anything like other Unix filesystems once you delete a file its gone.`
`02:45.37`	`RoundQube`	`like when i've installed freebsd in the past, any raid i've setup only shows up as one drive normally during the install process. I could use some helpful links to get raid working with an adaptec 1210sa card`
`02:45.59`	`sdakota`	`my installation script installs some programs, and they ask some questions ... can I prevent apt from asking those?`
`02:46.06`	`sdakota`	`Bonz: It's christmas time ;)`
`02:46.09`	`einsteinmg`	`EdLin: i've emergency stopped the partition, nothing was written after the delete`
`02:46.21`	`einsteinmg`	`grep -a is a slow way, but works ok`
`02:46.36`	`Bonz`	`sdakota: yes so much ambient noise`
`02:46.46`	`einsteinmg`	`my questions is, if there is a faster way`
`02:46.57`	`EdLin`	`einsteinmg: that may be so but I suspect there is no tool to recover deleted files, other than using a hex editor directly on the partition.`
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`02:47.17`	`einsteinmg`	`EdLin: just grep -a ;)`
`02:47.21`	`krazykit`	`sorry, had to switch ciomputers... again...`
`02:47.35`	`einsteinmg`	`im searching for lost sourcecode :(`
`02:47.51`	`Bonz`	`einsteinmg: I beg too differ there are some tools for ext fs's but I'm unfamiliar with their usability`
`02:48.21`	`EdLin`	`yeah, I remember seeing something that sometimes works for ext2`
`02:48.30`	`EdLin`	`(which means it'd work on ext3)`
`02:49.18`	`EdLin`	`"e2undel" and "recover" I found using apt-cache`
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`02:49.31`	`Bonz`	`yeah its called recover`
`02:51.26`	`Bonz`	`krazykit: try a bf kernel`
`02:51.34`	`krazykit`	`pardon?`
`02:51.36`	`einsteinmg`	`the problem is, that this is work in progress, the version on backup is the initial release g`
`02:51.37`	`azeem`	`krazykit: what are you trying to install?`
`02:51.41`	`azeem`	`sarge?`
`02:51.41`	`EdLin`	`krazykit: bf2.4`
`02:51.52`	`azeem`	`EdLin: that is woody stuff`
`02:52.03`	`krazykit`	`azeem: i suppose... whatever the 3.0 release was... i don't keep up on the names`
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`02:52.08`	`azeem`	`right`
`02:52.19`	`azeem`	`so, the default for sarge/i386 is 2.4`
`02:52.19`	`EdLin`	`azeem: krazykit 3.0 is woody`
`02:52.24`	`azeem`	`uhm`
`02:52.31`	`EdLin`	`3.1 is Sarge`
`02:52.38`	`azeem`	`krazykit: why do you install 3.0?`
`02:52.42`	`Bonz`	`azeem: he's trying too get something installed/probably anything so there is something too work from`
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`02:53.04`	`krazykit`	`3.1 is sarge? ... i'm so confused. hold on now.`
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`02:53.27`	`krazykit`	`the image i have is "debian-31r0a-i386-netinst"`
`02:53.35`	`azeem`	`ok, so that's sarge`
`02:53.49`	`EdLin`	`krazykit: actually, the latest is r1`
`02:53.57`	`azeem`	`as if that mattered`
`02:53.57`	`Bonz`	`krazykit: doesn't matter where you start woody/sarge/potato, all can be upgraded after you have a kernel that works on your hardware`
`02:54.07`	`EdLin`	`krazykit: but it should update to r1 quickly`
`02:54.10`	`krazykit`	`Bonz: i figured as much, anyway`
`02:54.52`	`krazykit`	`ah... i see... ok, installing w/ 2.6`
`02:54.54`	`krazykit`	`err`
`02:54.56`	`krazykit`	`2/4`
`02:54.56`	`azeem`	`krazykit: so see above, sarge uses 2.4 by default, type "linux26" at the boot prompt to try 2.6`
`02:55.11`	`krazykit`	`gotcha.`
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`02:56.50`	`kspath`	`<< is useless still`
`02:57.28`	`mhall`	`Has anybody else tried suspend2? It seems to work amazingly well.`
`02:57.29`	`abrotman`	`always! :)`
`02:57.35`	`einsteinmg`	`ok thx for help`
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`02:59.45`	`Omnix`	`mhall: suspend2 requires the kernel to be patched doesn't it?`
`02:59.56`	`krazykit`	`Omnix: yup`
`03:00.17`	`look`	`hmm i installed php4 on a2 and then installed libgd2 but it isn't working with php4`
`03:00.40`	`Omnix`	`look: make sure it's enabled in your PHP .ini file`
`03:00.50`	`look`	`omnix, ah`
`03:00.52`	`abrotman`	`look: did you install php4-gd ?`
`03:00.57`	`mhall`	`Omnix: yes`
`03:01.07`	`look`	`abrot, umm.. no :) wasn't aware of existence of such package :)`
`03:01.12`	`look`	`abrot, thanks for info`
`03:01.17`	`abrotman`	`look: apt-cache search php gd`
`03:01.44`	`simpletron`	`Merry Christmas`
`03:01.48`	`krazykit`	`i'm still getting missing module errors!`
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`03:02.39`	`look`	`php4-gd want's to install xfree86common? wtf`
`03:03.04`	`krazykit`	`ugh... it's still missing i810_audio`
`03:03.04`	`stew`	`look: yes, it depends on imagemagick which depends on some xlibs iirc`
`03:03.18`	`stew`	`krazykit: what does "uname -r" say?`
`03:03.20`	`look`	`oh my`
`03:03.42`	`krazykit`	`stew: can't do it. it won't boot.`
`03:03.49`	`krazykit`	`fresh install with 2.4 kernel`
`03:03.57`	`abrotman`	`look: it's ok .. it's not actually X`
`03:04.10`	`look`	`abrot, ah ok`
`03:04.21`	`stew`	`krazykit: the 2.4 kernel that comes with the install definately comes with i810_audio`
`03:04.47`	`look`	`btw. is there some way to remove all packages that were installed with some package (if the other packages aren't used by any other package currently installed) ?`
`03:05.13`	`Guerin`	`look: if you installed them with apotitude, there is`
`03:05.22`	`stew`	`look: if you used aptitude that is automatic, if not /msg dpkg deborphan`
`03:05.32`	`Guerin`	`look: if you didn't use aptitude, there isn't an easy way, but you can use deborphan or debfoster`
`03:05.47`	`look`	`ok`
`03:05.48`	`look`	`thanks :)`
`03:05.50`	`krazykit`	`i /know/ it should, but the exact error is "./pci.agent: line 156L 543 Segmentation fault %MODPROBE %MODULE>/dev/null 2>&1 i810_audio: can't be loaded missing kernel or user mode driver i810_audio"`
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`03:09.03`	`mammy`	`hi guys. I got a machine thats gone non-responsive to mouse and keyboard in x but is accesible via the lan. anyone know how to get back in control?`
`03:09.36`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: is this still your Turion laptop ?`
`03:09.51`	`balc`	`I'm using a cable modem, is there anyway i can disconnect my ethernet and connect and resetart it again without rebooting my system? is there a program or command to redetect the connection again?`
`03:09.53`	`krazykit`	`turion? uh.... no... it's a celeron-m`
`03:09.53`	`abrotman`	`mammy: are your mouse and keyboard USB ?`
`03:10.12`	`abrotman`	`balc: /etc/init.d/networking restart`
`03:10.20`	`mammy`	`abrotman: no ps2`
`03:10.32`	`abrotman`	`mammy: you could restart X .. taht might do it`
`03:10.57`	`acidrain1`	`part`
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`03:11.14`	`balc`	`thx!`
`03:11.54`	`mammy`	`abrotman: <cntrl><alt>F2 etc does not work either`
`03:12.11`	`abrotman`	`mammy: duh .. i said to restart X :)`
`03:12.18`	`abrotman`	`mammy: if you can ssh in .. you can restart X`
`03:12.33`	`krazykit`	`mammy: you can ssh in? kill -9 PID(of x)`
`03:12.53`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: that's krazy!`
`03:13.06`	`krazykit`	`kill -9 inet :-P`
`03:13.14`	`abrotman`	`/etc/init.d/?dm restart`
`03:14.02`	`kspath`	`lol going to have a centos4.2 box running folding at home for debian team`
`03:14.04`	`mammy`	`I do not know how to ssh in to issue a command`
`03:14.19`	`abrotman`	`mammy: huh ? .. are you ssh'ed in ?`
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`03:15.03`	`mammy`	`abrotman: I use graphical tools like mc or krusader usually`
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`03:15.16`	`Guerin`	`mammy: ssh user@host`
`03:15.36`	`Guerin`	`wtf is krusader?`
`03:15.44`	`Guerin`	`yet another krap name`
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`03:15.50`	`abrotman`	`and krap app :)`
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`03:17.24`	`mammy`	`Guerin: thanks : ) now I make a note of that and then try abrotmans suggestions`
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`03:18.14`	`abrotman`	`!sarge 2.6.14`
`03:18.15`	`dpkg`	`from memory, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614`
`03:18.36`	`krazykit`	`abrotman: you want me to try yet another installer? :-P`
`03:19.14`	`krazykit`	`as long as i'm pounding through cd-rs, why not?`
`03:19.33`	`mammy`	`Guerin: krusader is a bit like mc but for X`
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`03:19.45`	`Guerin`	`ph`
`03:19.46`	`Guerin`	`oh`
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`03:20.08`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: it has a newer kernel`
`03:20.29`	`krazykit`	`abrotman: yeah, i'm downloading it. we'll see how this one goes, eh :-P`
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`03:20.40`	`RoundQube`	`is it still the case that linux cannot boot off software raid? ie: there must be a /boot partition that does not have a raid volume`
`03:21.13`	`einsteinmg`	`cool :)`
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`03:21.26`	`abrotman`	`swraid sucks anyways :)`
`03:21.32`	`kspath`	`isnt that a chicken and the egg thing?`
`03:21.37`	`Guerin`	`yes`
`03:22.09`	`abrotman`	`your bootloader would have to understand swraid`
`03:22.11`	`kspath`	`if you have the soft raid up you are already "booted"`
`03:22.14`	`RoundQube`	`abrotman whether it sucks or not, that doesn't answer my question`
`03:22.23`	`einsteinmg`	`it's quite easy to recover files on xfs, because files from the same dir are quite near to each other :)`
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`03:22.32`	`mammy`	`Guerin: abrotman: krazykit: all fixed up now Thanks :)`
`03:22.38`	`abrotman`	`mammy: yay`
`03:22.43`	`RoundQube`	`i have an adaptec 1210sa and im trying to figure out the best way to run raid1 since obvoiusly it doesn't do hw raid`
`03:22.46`	`einsteinmg`	`RoundQube: lilo can boot from raid1`
`03:22.56`	`einsteinmg`	`without any problems`
`03:22.59`	`abrotman`	`grub still cannot`
`03:23.03`	`abrotman`	`afaik anyways`
`03:23.13`	`einsteinmg`	`grub is broken ;)`
`03:23.28`	`RoundQube`	`hmm i didn't know that, thanks`
`03:23.33`	`einsteinmg`	`np`
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`03:23.38`	`Guerin`	`grub > lilo for almost all applications`
`03:23.43`	`abrotman`	`grub isn't broken .. but it ... is more complicated IMO :)`
`03:23.51`	`krazykit`	`urg, painful slow downloads :-(`
`03:23.55`	`abrotman`	`well .not for regular usage .. but it is for advanced stuffs`
`03:23.59`	`RoundQube`	`what about with adaptec 1210sa with two sata drives, i have setup raid1 in the bios but when i boot debian it still shows two drives for install`
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`03:24.03`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: it's from japan!`
`03:24.11`	`cptrnet`	`can anyone help me with mounting a windows cdrom on the network`
`03:24.12`	`abrotman`	`!sata faq`
`03:24.12`	`dpkg`	`http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/`
`03:24.17`	`krazykit`	`abrotman: then shouldn't it be sent over by giant robot?`
`03:24.19`	`einsteinmg`	`RoundQube: boot/root=/dev/md1, raid-extra-boot=mbr for example`
`03:24.22`	`abrotman`	`RoundQube: i believe the 1210 is fakeraid`
`03:24.24`	`RoundQube`	`even when i try to do swraid, it will not allow me to continue unless i choose sdb as the main drive and sda as secondary (raid)`
`03:24.37`	`einsteinmg`	`should write the bootblock to all raid1 devices from /dev/md1`
`03:25.14`	`einsteinmg`	`RoundQube: if it's a sw raid controller try dm-raid`
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`03:25.38`	`RoundQube`	`i will, thanks`
`03:25.42`	`cptrnet`	`can anyone help me with mounting a windows cdrom on the network`
`03:25.55`	`einsteinmg`	`abrotman: i'm still missing something like lilo -R in grub`
`03:27.17`	`kspath`	`cptrnet: if you make the question less vague it is more likely to be answered`
`03:27.38`	`abrotman`	`einsteinmg: yes .. well ...`
`03:27.55`	`abrotman`	`cptrnet: did you share it on the windows box ?`
`03:28.06`	`cptrnet`	`yes`
`03:28.06`	`Guerin`	`cptrnet: the cd is in a windows machine's cd drive?`
`03:28.13`	`cptrnet`	`yes`
`03:28.32`	`abrotman`	`did you try smbclient ?`
`03:28.33`	`Guerin`	`cptrnet: share it over the network on the windows machine and mount the share using samba`
`03:28.44`	`Guerin`	`cptrnet: for more information, read samba documentation`
`03:28.51`	`cptrnet`	`thats my question how do I mount the cdrom`
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`03:29.09`	`abrotman`	`kspath: you need to stop drinking`
`03:29.35`	`kspath`	`abrotman: pulling my hair out likely due to being sober`
`03:30.05`	`abrotman`	`kspath: you need to start drinking`
`03:30.12`	`kspath`	`abrotman: some of the questions that pop up in here blow me away`
`03:30.37`	`abrotman`	`kspath: my debian accidentally installed suse .. will you help me?`
`03:30.45`	`cptrnet`	`i have mounted a folder but when i put the cdrom to mount it gives me an error`
`03:31.04`	`abrotman`	`might you tell us the error ?`
`03:31.36`	`cptrnet`	`it says i have given it a invalid share name`
`03:31.57`	`abrotman`	`what is the share name ?`
`03:32.00`	`Guerin`	`cptrnet: not our problem`
`03:32.04`	`cptrnet`	`its the d drive`
`03:32.53`	`abrotman`	`but what's the share name ?`
`03:33.15`	`cptrnet`	`JS3G2001 (D)`
`03:33.21`	`abrotman`	`i wouldn't mount that either`
`03:33.23`	`abrotman`	`give it a sane name`
`03:33.43`	`Guerin`	`like 'sally'`
`03:33.45`	`cptrnet`	`it won't let me change it`
`03:33.52`	`abrotman`	`windows won't let you change it ?`
`03:33.59`	`cptrnet`	`im looking right now on how to change it`
`03:34.00`	`Guerin`	`cptrnet: ask a windows channel`
`03:34.07`	`Guerin`	`we don't care`
`03:34.27`	`cptrnet`	`but anyway it would work the same way i did the folder right?`
`03:34.41`	`abrotman`	`dude .. you have to give it a sane name`
`03:34.52`	`abrotman`	`start with that .. or ask #samba how to do it with the screwy name`
`03:35.10`	`cptrnet`	`well thanks for the help ill look into changing the name`
`03:35.12`	`jjhall`	`I think you are talking about the label of the disk... Not the share name`
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`03:35.21`	`cptrnet`	`it should work once i give it a sane name`
`03:35.30`	`cptrnet`	`f windows`
`03:35.32`	`jjhall`	`Right-click on the drive and select the share option`
`03:35.36`	`zOap`	`I can't access shared memory, but SHMConfig is "on" in xfree86 config file.. Any ideas? I dont have the dbg package installed..`
`03:35.51`	`jjhall`	`It will let you change that name unless you don't have admin priviliges on the system.`
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`03:37.35`	`abrotman`	`everyone is an admin`
`03:38.23`	`jjhall`	`Well, for the most part`
`03:38.49`	`jjhall`	`But to my knowledge a "restricted user" account in XP will not let you change share options.`
`03:39.21`	`mhall`	`jjhall: if it did you could give yourself admin access`
`03:39.24`	`mhall`	`jjhall: so no`
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`03:39.35`	`RoundQube`	`what should the minor and major #'s be for md0, md1?`
`03:40.04`	`mhall`	`RoundQube: what about MAKEDEV`
`03:40.15`	`RoundQube`	`when i installed mdadmn, it didnt create the md devices in /dev`
`03:40.26`	`jjhall`	`If you actually have admin account rights on the machine. If he is at work he may not have proper rights to the machine.`
`03:40.53`	`Guerin`	`in which case he's probably not allowed to do this anyway`
`03:40.58`	`jjhall`	`Exactly.`
`03:41.08`	`Guerin`	`and in any case, it's not debian, so all we can say is "get a real fucking OS"`
`03:41.23`	`mhall`	`Guerin: :-D Agreed!`
`03:41.48`	`jjhall`	`I'm extremely new to Debian myself, having a few issues but slowly working through them.`
`03:42.08`	`abrotman`	`debian sucks .. use Minix!`
`03:42.14`	`jjhall`	`LOL`
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`03:42.35`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: can u hlp me??? i cnt get kde 2 bld on teh minix`
`03:42.37`	`krazykit`	`ha, use DR-DOS`
`03:42.47`	`jjhall`	`Freedos`
`03:42.49`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: apt-get install hurd`
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`03:43.32`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: waht si taht?`
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`03:43.54`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: it's like DOS .. but less capabilities :)`
`03:44.15`	`Guerin`	`heh`
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`03:45.49`	`RoundQube`	`how can i create the md devices in /dev? i've ran ./MAKEDEV md and it seems to do something then return to shell but no mdX devices`
`03:46.20`	`Guerin`	`noo`
`03:46.33`	`Guerin`	`no hammer for you`
`03:46.39`	`doub`	`"with a hammer in hand, every problem looks like a nail"`
`03:46.56`	`jjhall`	`If it doesn't fit, force it. If it breaks, it needed fixing anyway.`
`03:47.08`	`kspath`	`every luser with an odd question looks like a nail sometimes as well`
`03:47.22`	`Guerin`	`kspath: heh`
`03:48.02`	`abrotman`	`jjhall: i know a guy that says that about girls .. he's kind of messed in the head :)`
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`03:49.30`	`kspath`	`many sysadmins are like the dog sleeping on a nail sticking up on the front porch we move when it hurts enough`
`03:49.40`	`jjhall`	`LOL That is just wrong on so many levels.`
`03:50.45`	`kspath`	`true of societies in general also`
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`03:50.53`	`SerajewelKS`	`has anyone had problems with firefox 1.0.7 randomly freezing? sometimes it's when firefox is loading a plugin, other times it's just random. i have to kill it.`
`03:51.12`	`SerajewelKS`	`i'm considering backporting 1.5, but i don't know if that will bork my config`
`03:51.21`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: try without the flash plugin`
`03:51.24`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: just use the static binary from mozilla`
`03:51.47`	`kspath`	`I use static bin from mozilla and it is quite fast/stable for me`
`03:51.48`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: as i said, sometimes there aren't any plugins on the site and it dies`
`03:52.03`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: ok fine .. fucking ignore me! ..`
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`03:52.27`	`kspath`	`abrotman: WHAT?!?!? no mustard?`
`03:52.36`	`krazykit`	`abrotman: hot dogs can be bombs, you know.`
`03:52.49`	`doub`	`krazykit: nails can, too`
`03:52.49`	`abrotman`	`mustard is only good for two things .. hard pretzels ..and`
`03:52.57`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: is there a simple way to make a debian package out of that?`
`03:53.02`	`krazykit`	`abrotman: lube?`
`03:53.05`	`abrotman`	`and when i make salmon and i mix it with other stuff`
`03:53.20`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg simple sid backport`
`03:53.27`	`mhall`	`nothing is funnier than watching trolls help each other with linux`
`03:53.28`	`mhall`	`lol`
`03:53.31`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: makes great antiseptic`
`03:53.34`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: i know that.. Guerin suggested i get the binaries from mozilla`
`03:53.34`	`kspath`	`abrotman: hotdogs with onions and yellow mustard can be QUITE good sometimes`
`03:53.38`	`mhall`	`!sns`
`03:53.50`	`abrotman`	`kspath: nope .. no mustard`
`03:53.51`	`doub`	`mhall: merry christmas`
`03:54.02`	`mhall`	`doub: yeah i suppose it _is_ a present`
`03:54.02`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: for waht ?`
`03:54.09`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: reading =)`
`03:54.15`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: reading what ?`
`03:54.26`	`abrotman`	`mhall: why not make them something good ?`
`03:54.26`	`kspath`	`yummy`
`03:54.42`	`mhall`	`abrotman: yeah, can't; i'm all out of dead baby`
`03:54.48`	`SimonRaven`	`that _is_ good`
`03:54.52`	`abrotman`	`mhall: no baby seal ?`
`03:55.01`	`mhall`	`abrotman: no; not in california`
`03:55.01`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: IRC, since you seem to be having some trouble tonight`
`03:55.15`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: because i suggested you make your own package .. after you said you would ?`
`03:55.56`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: i was asking Guerin if there was a simple way to package mozilla's binaries. i know how to backport debian stuff but he suggested that mozilla's prebuilt ones might be stabler.`
`03:56.11`	`mhall`	`but if there are any leftover white people after my neighbors get done whitewashing their fence, i'll take the scraps and bake them up`
`03:56.17`	`mhall`	`that will be good eating for sure`
`03:56.24`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: maybe try opera! :)`
`03:56.42`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: opera is decent, true`
`03:56.46`	`SimonRaven`	`hehe`
`03:56.47`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: please strace firefox when it freezes and see what is happening`
`03:56.47`	`doub`	`SerajewelKS: you might try installing the binary with checkinstall`
`03:56.52`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: don't bother repackaging them - just install manually into ~ or /opt`
`03:57.03`	`Guerin`	`no, opera isn't decent`
`03:57.10`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: if it gets stuck in futex_...() or gettimeofday then it's probably the broken binary only flash plugin`
`03:57.20`	`bucky`	`untar this into your home dir and run firefox/firefox from your run box http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/`
`03:57.30`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: strace -p $( pgrep firefox ) or something like that ought to do it`
`03:57.50`	`krazykit`	`all right, time to try using the modified 2.6.14 install cd!`
`03:57.58`	`mhall`	`krazykit: g'luck`
`03:58.25`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: why not the 2.6.18 one ?`
`03:58.35`	`krazykit`	`hopefully. if this fails, i have an ubuntu cd floating around somewhere`
`03:58.41`	`krazykit`	`abrotman: bite me plz.`
`03:58.48`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: as a side note, the "broken" flash plugin works smoothly with mozilla, for what that's worth`
`03:58.54`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: not in the mood for jokes eh ? :)`
`03:59.00`	`krazykit`	`not at this point`
`03:59.04`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: odd`
`03:59.14`	`krazykit`	`if i was not IRCing with Chatzilla on Windows, it would be better.`
`03:59.22`	`abrotman`	`not really ... since FF and mozilla would use different versions of gecko probably`
`03:59.33`	`abrotman`	`since there is no damn libgecko`
`04:00.12`	`krazykit`	`flash sucks in linux anyway. it gets completely unsynched after a few moments`
`04:00.16`	`doub`	`abrotman: there's libgtkembedmoz on which seem to rely many apps integrating gecko`
`04:00.19`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: interesting... i got it to freeze without viewing any plugin'd pages`
`04:00.31`	`SerajewelKS`	`mhall: writev(64, [{"* glibc detected * ", 23}, {"corrupted double-linked list", 28}, {": 0x", 4}, {"0afa2348", 8}, {" ***\n", 5}], 5) = 68`
`04:00.32`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: sure there are no ads ?`
`04:00.38`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: yes, adblock is on`
`04:00.50`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: maybe it's java!`
`04:00.54`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: no`
`04:01.00`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: there you go i suppose`
`04:01.01`	`doub`	`abrotman: unfortunately, debian package usually depend on the mozilla-browser version of this lib, not firefox's`
`04:01.05`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: some sort of bug`
`04:01.06`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: i blame javascript!`
`04:01.14`	`mhall`	`SerajewelKS: good luck; i need to leave`
`04:01.29`	`krazykit`	`SerajewelKS: it must be that goddam html!`
`04:01.42`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: i blame the firefox developers`
`04:01.44`	`abrotman`	`this why i use HTML3.2 !`
`04:01.48`	`krazykit`	`pff`
`04:01.54`	`SerajewelKS`	`krazykit: that might have something to do with it, yeah`
`04:01.54`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: so use konq? or opera?`
`04:01.59`	`krazykit`	`gopher was perfect!`
`04:02.06`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`04:02.12`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: i'm considering finding 1.0.2`
`04:02.16`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: that one actually worked most of the time`
`04:02.17`	`abrotman`	`gopher .. the land of 100KB games!`
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`04:02.30`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: 1.0.7 is like a house of cards. you blow and it falls over.`
`04:02.34`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: i blame your extensions`
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`04:02.41`	`alvanson`	`yay! 6.07 load average!`
`04:02.42`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: remove them all and replace them one by one`
`04:02.46`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: would you like a list of them?`
`04:02.50`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: honestly .. i don't use it .. i really do use opera most of the time`
`04:02.53`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: i did that a few weeks ago actually`
`04:02.53`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: no.`
`04:03.12`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: UMinn had a super big gopher server`
`04:03.18`	`doub`	`well, good night/day everybody. bed time`
`04:03.19`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: i have exactly 0 stability problems with firefox, and haven't since it was 0.9.something`
`04:03.32`	`krazykit`	`well, considering i didn't use the internet til... 1995 or 6...`
`04:03.37`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: i use only two or three fairly innocuous extensions`
`04:03.42`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: i had no problems with 1.0.5 oddly enough`
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`04:04.06`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: something in 1.0.7 is buggered, or one of my plugins doesn't like it, or something`
`04:04.10`	`SerajewelKS`	`extensions rather`
`04:04.32`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: worksforme`
`04:04.37`	`krazykit`	`SerajewelKS: sacrifice a windows box to the *nix demons, maybe?`
`04:04.39`	`Guerin`	`extensions are crap`
`04:04.44`	`Guerin`	`film at 11`
`04:04.47`	`Guerin`	`krazykit: wtf?`
`04:04.58`	`abrotman`	`FF isn't so good either :)`
`04:05.00`	`krazykit`	`i've found sacrifices can fix problems.`
`04:05.08`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: well there are a few that i can't live without. adblock, mouse gestures, UA switcher...`
`04:05.15`	`abrotman`	`especially when you sacrifice your boss`
`04:05.19`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: and tabbrowser preferences is nice`
`04:05.28`	`meff`	`what is the way to cross-compile an amd64 kernel on debian i386?`
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`04:05.33`	`Guerin`	`oh god ... mouse gestures`
`04:05.50`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: good for you. i like them.`
`04:06.12`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: every time i use IE i'm reminded that i actually have to open the damn file menu to open a new window`
`04:06.12`	`krazykit`	`oh SNAP`
`04:06.15`	`krazykit`	`it works!`
`04:06.22`	`krazykit`	`e`
`04:06.36`	`look`	`mouse gestures are really handy`
`04:06.41`	`look`	`i'd like to see them more in other apps too`
`04:06.56`	`krazykit`	`look: fvwm w/ stroke :-P`
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`04:07.02`	`Guerin`	`they require you to learn a whole new UI`
`04:07.07`	`Guerin`	`no thanks`
`04:07.11`	`look`	`yeah`
`04:07.12`	`Guerin`	`the one I have works fine`
`04:07.12`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: okay i uninstalled them and now my firefox window is borked. the status bar is huge, and i have that green update arrow even though there aren't any updates. i recall the last time this happened i had to rebuild my profile's chrome whatever. you recall how to do that?`
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`04:07.23`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: no idea.`
`04:07.31`	`krazykit`	`hrm... what time is it gmt`
`04:07.38`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: oh and i can't open any menus. or click anything.`
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`04:07.40`	`look`	`guerin, well, mouse gestures are quite new thing in UI-design.. in time i'm sure there will be some "standard" gestures`
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`04:07.50`	`kspath`	`what is wrong with the keyboard as input? everyone busy with one hand on mouse and the other on .... ?`
`04:07.54`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: some fix this was.. =/`
`04:08.14`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: you want me to wipe your arse for you as well?`
`04:08.41`	`kspath`	`I want 3D input and 3D output screw this whole 2D stuffs`
`04:08.45`	`look`	`but if you know your gestures, it will really speed things up.. especially if the system let's you join gestures`
`04:08.51`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: well i'd prefer fixes to not make the problem worse`
`04:08.59`	`look`	`krazykit, :)`
`04:09.38`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: well, since only you know what specific shit you're running, how was I able to predict it? You seem to be using shitty extensions. Mine give me no grief. Sucks to be you.`
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`04:11.32`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: woot. no extensions installed and it still freezes. =/`
`04:12.02`	`krazykit`	`SerajewelKS: now start removing plugins :-P`
`04:12.21`	`SerajewelKS`	`krazykit: you mean the plugins that aren't being used on the pages i'm viewing?`
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`04:12.32`	`krazykit`	`SerajewelKS: yes. yes i do.`
`04:12.40`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: well, your extensions must be son crap that they fuck things up even after you remove them.`
`04:12.43`	`Guerin`	`nice.`
`04:12.49`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: slash and burn`
`04:13.04`	`krazykit`	`rm -fr ~/.mozilla/firefox`
`04:13.12`	`krazykit`	`if you want to be rash`
`04:13.29`	`bucky`	`get rid of those pesky bookmarks`
`04:13.43`	`Gokee2`	`What program should I use for viewing (editing if posibal) a postscript file?`
`04:13.47`	`krazykit`	`who uses bookmarks, anyway`
`04:14.17`	`SerajewelKS`	`well let's backport 1.5 and see if that helps`
`04:14.30`	`Guerin`	`good luck`
`04:15.48`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: that is unless you have other suggestions`
`04:16.10`	`alvanson`	`lol, my system is so overworked, it's taken a whole minute so far to open firefox`
`04:16.13`	`bucky`	`Gokee2, http://www.prepressure.com/pdf/info/editing.htm`
`04:16.17`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: nope.`
`04:16.28`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: other than what I've already suggested.`
`04:16.50`	`bucky`	`SerajewelKS, backport 1.5 to what.. sarge?`
`04:17.02`	`SerajewelKS`	`bucky: testing`
`04:17.27`	`Gokee2`	`bucky, thanks`
`04:17.30`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: why not use the static binary?`
`04:17.42`	`bucky`	`what's wrong with using their binary http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/`
`04:17.43`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: that way you can at least complain to mozilla.org instead of to us`
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`04:21.37`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin: hrm, it still crashes in safe mode =/`
`04:21.59`	`bucky`	`works perfect on my etch`
`04:22.51`	`abrotman`	`!Moo`
`04:22.51`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
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`04:27.18`	`concept10`	`that reminds me, i have to boo-boo`
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`04:28.26`	`abrotman`	`concept10: you have to what ?`
`04:28.36`	`abrotman`	`wait .. i probably don't want to knw`
`04:28.39`	`concept10`	`nevermind :)`
`04:28.46`	`SerajewelKS`	`* glibc detected * malloc(): memory corruption: 0x09abd2c8 ***`
`04:28.49`	`SerajewelKS`	`woot`
`04:28.55`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: is that from mozilla.org ?`
`04:28.57`	`bucky`	`we've already had a lot of boo hoo'ing here tonight`
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`04:29.16`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: no, i'm toying with the idea of creating a new profile`
`04:29.33`	`bucky`	`SerajewelKS, which version of libc6 do you have installed?`
`04:29.41`	`concept10`	`bucky, I said boo-boo`
`04:29.50`	`Guerin`	`concept10: we don't care`
`04:29.56`	`concept10`	`abrotman, hows your holidays`
`04:29.57`	`SerajewelKS`	`bucky: 2.3.5-8`
`04:30.21`	`concept10`	`Guerin, thats great. Happy Holidays`
`04:30.26`	`abrotman`	`concept10: my bosses didn't call`
`04:30.30`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: oh .. good plan`
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`04:30.52`	`bucky`	`SerajewelKS, run memtest`
`04:31.02`	`abrotman`	`yay .. the fucking xmas music stopped!`
`04:31.13`	`Guerin`	`firefox's memory management is appalling`
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`04:31.21`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: what management ?`
`04:31.36`	`alvanson`	`Guerin, something that doesn't exist can be appalling`
`04:31.38`	`Guerin`	`so I'm not surprised that it's the first thing which breaks horribly when misconfigured is`
`04:31.42`	`alvanson`	`can't*`
`04:31.44`	`Guerin`	`heh`
`04:32.07`	`abrotman`	`fuck .. it started again!`
`04:32.41`	`abrotman`	`i don't give a shit if "Santa Claus is coming to town" .. and i certainly don't need it played loud enough for me to hear it`
`04:32.43`	`alvanson`	`abrotman, what's going on?`
`04:33.00`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: why are you listening to christmas choons?`
`04:33.08`	`alvanson`	`turn them off!`
`04:33.14`	`Guerin`	`i'd sooner gouge my ears out with steel chopsticks`
`04:33.16`	`abrotman`	`i'm fucking not .. the crazy lady with the loud dogs downstairs is`
`04:33.25`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: you have a stereo of your own`
`04:33.33`	`alvanson`	`abrotman, do something to get the dogs going`
`04:33.36`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: yeah .. but it's my landlord downstairs :)`
`04:33.40`	`alvanson`	`then you drown out xmas tunes with dogs`
`04:33.40`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: so?`
`04:33.44`	`alvanson`	`lesser of two evils etc`
`04:33.44`	`bucky`	`abrotman, go knock on her door and ask for a drink`
`04:33.55`	`abrotman`	`bucky: she already sent her son up once`
`04:34.02`	`bucky`	`heh`
`04:34.08`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: sent her son up why?`
`04:34.15`	`abrotman`	`to ask me down to dindin`
`04:34.22`	`Guerin`	`noes!`
`04:34.45`	`lotusleaf`	`I'm still waiting for the Stephen Hawking Christmas CD`
`04:34.50`	`abrotman`	`somehow .. the concept of "I don't want to do anything or go anywhere .. just play DQ VIII" .. seems to be hard to grasp for some :)`
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`04:37.09`	`alvanson`	`I swear this online radio station only has about 50 songs`
`04:37.20`	`abrotman`	`so change the station?`
`04:37.22`	`Guerin`	`alvanson: all internet radio stations suck`
`04:37.50`	`alvanson`	`abrotman, I'm just ripping it, but I've already gotten doubles and it hasn't been running for more than 5 or 6 hours`
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`04:38.00`	`abrotman`	`alvanson: welcome to radio`
`04:38.03`	`alvanson`	`...likely getting sattelite radio tomorrow :D`
`04:38.26`	`alvanson`	`... they have 100 songs they play in a loop! yay!`
`04:39.26`	`kspath`	`lol fedoracore4 sucks something fierce installer says I need disc1 and 2 and 4 it asks for 1 and 4 and completes`
`04:39.36`	`Guerin`	`kspath: yes.`
`04:39.37`	`alvanson`	`lollerskates`
`04:40.08`	`kspath`	`I wish oracle and others would wake up to the power of debian`
`04:40.13`	`bucky`	`Republic of Korea Top Radio. MUKULCAST.COM * KPOP`
`04:40.21`	`Guerin`	`noooo`
`04:40.25`	`abrotman`	`kspath: why? ... you can install orcle on debian`
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`04:40.48`	`alvanson`	`I had FreeBSD on this machine for a while... until I found out that I can't use SCSI emulation on a promise IDE controller`
`04:41.01`	`abrotman`	`if someone really eggs me .. i'll write patches for the post/pre scripts for oracle express`
`04:42.15`	`abrotman`	`though .. they might work for regular oracle products too`
`04:42.37`	`alvanson`	`so anyway, I was thinking to myself "my e-mail system is just a bunch of crappy hacks that somehow works." Then I asked myself "and how is this different from sendmail?"`
`04:42.57`	`abrotman`	`alvanson: sendmail has holes ?`
`04:43.04`	`alvanson`	`what!?`
`04:43.11`	`abrotman`	`security holes .. you know ..`
`04:43.21`	`alvanson`	`ah that was a joke`
`04:43.22`	`alvanson`	`I get it`
`04:43.25`	`abrotman`	`sendmail4? and bind8 .. the curses of the internet`
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`04:43.27`	`Sneaky_Bastard`	`my socks have holes`
`04:43.31`	`Sneaky_Bastard`	`security holes`
`04:43.37`	`Sneaky_Bastard`	`:p`
`04:44.24`	`alvanson`	`I'm using esmtp, I wrote a perl program that wraps around procmail that expands aliases, and I wrote a python program to run as a SMTP server.`
`04:45.10`	`alvanson`	`and somehow it all works`
`04:45.34`	`abrotman`	`alvanson: it only works becuase you're not using javascript :)`
`04:45.43`	`alvanson`	`abrotman, true`
`04:45.56`	`alvanson`	`oh wait`
`04:46.38`	`alvanson`	`and since esmtp doesn't support ssl connections (and I require them due to stupid ISP's firewalling rules), I had to add two lines into inetd.conf to act as tunnels... :@`
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`04:47.17`	`abrotman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:47.35`	`alvanson`	`sounds like fark.com`
`04:47.42`	`abrotman`	`it's from yahoo.com :)`
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`04:49.14`	`Bonz`	`abrotman: sounds very debian related :)`
`04:49.41`	`abrotman`	`Bonz: hey .. we do a lot of drinking in here! :)`
`04:49.53`	`Bonz`	`abrotman: uhuh`
`04:50.01`	`Guerin`	`it's not clear?`
`04:50.05`	`abrotman`	`someone was drunk in here earlier`
`04:50.26`	`Bonz`	`abrotman: is it painful being drunk by sumone?`
`04:50.40`	`Guerin`	`depends on the person`
`04:51.04`	`abrotman`	`wtf is sumone ?`
`04:51.16`	`Bonz`	`abrotman: no fire here`
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`04:58.51`	`eps`	`are these gnome updates 2.12!?`
`04:59.18`	`abrotman`	`what updates ?`
`04:59.21`	`eps`	`in sid`
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`04:59.31`	`abrotman`	`!info gnome-panel sid`
`04:59.35`	`eps`	`just updating now and I have a bunch of gnome updates`
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`04:59.59`	`dpkg`	`gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 363 kB, Installed size: 860 kB`
`05:00.11`	`abrotman`	`maybe .. maybe not :)`
`05:00.14`	`eps`	`-1 okay`
`05:00.17`	`eps`	`bother :(`
`05:00.29`	`eps`	`I'll find out in a moment when it gets to dling gnome package`
`05:00.35`	`eps`	`...or in an hour`
`05:00.38`	`eps`	`yay for dial up speeds!`
`05:00.43`	`SerajewelKS`	`!enter`
`05:00.43`	`dpkg`	`The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying).`
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`05:01.26`	`eps`	`mmm good work SerajewelKS, you deserve a gold star for your efforts!`
`05:01.51`	`abrotman`	`fucking stupid loud people`
`05:02.15`	`SerajewelKS`	`cron + amixer + mpg123 = numa-numa-alarm-clock`
`05:02.32`	`eps`	`lol`
`05:02.49`	`eps`	`I need better broadband, australia sucks for bb :(`
`05:02.52`	`Bonz`	`loud, I cant here them at all thankfully, I just get their stupid one or two words scrolling my screen`
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`05:03.16`	`abrotman`	`eps: move further south ?`
`05:03.21`	`Bonz`	`eps: feel free too whinge elsewhere about it`
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`05:03.27`	`eps`	`the south pole?`
`05:03.37`	`eps`	`Bonz I shall`
`05:03.47`	`eps`	`so, is it pick on the guy who just joined the channel day today or what?`
`05:03.50`	`abrotman`	`FFS .. you're from australia .. and you can't even handle homonyms ?`
`05:03.54`	`eps`	`or just generally a pricky mood in here?`
`05:04.11`	`eps`	`poll*`
`05:04.19`	`abrotman`	`eps: and no .. i don't mean you :)`
`05:04.31`	`Bonz`	`eps: no, we just like it when people make some attempt at using common sense`
`05:04.44`	`abrotman`	`yeah .. like hear vs here`
`05:04.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`Bonz: narf!`
`05:05.24`	`eps`	`well I would like to note that I am trying my best, I'm just updating debian before I go to bed. I've been up for the last three days doing a uni assignment and working on several OSS projects...and yes xmas in there some where`
`05:05.29`	`eps`	`so lay off please :)`
`05:05.46`	`abrotman`	`eps: mine wasn't directed at you`
`05:06.07`	`eps`	`Bonz was, unless I'm _that_ tired`
`05:06.08`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: someone in your building?`
`05:06.17`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: my landlord :)`
`05:06.37`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: too bad part of the contract is that he has to keep quiet too`
`05:06.43`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: isn't*`
`05:06.56`	`abrotman`	`eps: no .. he's being a tard ... i'd say it's safe to ignore your countrymen :)`
`05:07.05`	`eps`	`also I (normally) have a good grasp of words, for example they're/their/there :)`
`05:07.13`	`abrotman`	`eps: yes .. he does not`
`05:07.22`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: no kidding`
`05:08.03`	`eps`	`haha`
`05:09.02`	`SerajewelKS`	`bedtime, night folks`
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`05:09.25`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: be nice`
`05:09.31`	`abrotman`	`that was being nice`
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`05:09.53`	`abrotman`	`if the damn music ever stops .. i'll also go to bed :)`
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`05:10.15`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: aww, it's christmas! feel the christmas spirit!`
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`05:10.28`	`SerajewelKS`	`do a good deed, ignore your tard landlord`
`05:10.34`	`eric_`	`hello`
`05:10.39`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: they're drunk .. talking loudly .. and playing crappy xmas music ..`
`05:10.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: or find the circuit breaker`
`05:10.55`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: it's in the basement .. i am not`
`05:10.58`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: be noisier`
`05:11.06`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: either that, or stop whining`
`05:11.10`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: this is why i need a new amp .. :)`
`05:11.17`	`eric_`	`anyone know i would upgrade to the breezy ubuntu?`
`05:11.17`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: i have an MP3 of Dragoste Din Tei if you want to piss them off`
`05:11.19`	`Bonz`	`SerajewelKS: no need, all thats required is too shove a bent nail in the power point`
`05:11.34`	`streuner`	`eric_: /topic`
`05:11.34`	`SerajewelKS`	`eric_: debian is not ubuntu`
`05:11.35`	`abrotman`	`eric_: ask #ubuntu`
`05:11.43`	`abrotman`	`BAM!`
`05:11.50`	`eric_`	`i know but they werent listening`
`05:11.56`	`SerajewelKS`	`!they don't know`
`05:11.56`	`dpkg`	`Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google.`
`05:11.56`	`abrotman`	`eric_: and we don't know`
`05:12.02`	`abrotman`	`eric_: ask #ubuntu ...`
`05:12.03`	`Guerin`	`eric_: it's not like you weren't told this yesterday`
`05:12.06`	`aFlag`	`is there some tool for splitting a double layer dvd into two single layer dvds?`
`05:12.22`	`eric_`	`lol what a bunch of dicks`
`05:12.22`	`abrotman`	`eric_: on top of which .. i'm sure thier website has instructions`
`05:12.22`	`Guerin`	`aFlag: split`
`05:12.43`	`Bonz`	`aFlag: how bout an 8lb sledge hammer?`
`05:12.46`	`Guerin`	`eric_: they're not dicks for not helping you when it's their job ... but we're dicks for not helping you when it's not our job`
`05:12.47`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: you're such a dick for not supporting ubuntu in #debian!`
`05:12.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: anyway, i have quite a large collection of annoying music if you ever feel the need`
`05:12.52`	`Guerin`	`eps: right, I see the logic there`
`05:12.57`	`Guerin`	`meh`
`05:13.00`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: i hvae a Monkees CD somewhere :)`
`05:13.14`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: fugazi`
`05:13.18`	`Guerin`	`eps: sorry`
`05:13.29`	`eps`	`eps == eric_?`
`05:13.30`	`eps`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:13.36`	`Guerin`	`eps: you were collateral damage in Operation End Stupidit in the global War On Stupidity`
`05:13.42`	`aFlag`	`hum, some kind of tool for handling dvd movies or something?`
`05:13.45`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: oh, i forgot. i just aquired mmmbop for that exact purpose.`
`05:13.54`	`eps`	`is that like being a canadian near an american army patrol?`
`05:13.59`	`Guerin`	`aFlag: mpgtx`
`05:13.59`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: turn amp up, lock dorm room door, spend all day in class`
`05:13.59`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: you're a sick sick man`
`05:14.04`	`Guerin`	`eps: sort of like that.`
`05:14.12`	`eps`	`Guerin perfectly understandable then :D`
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`05:14.56`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: the sad part is that i almost like the song. apparently i haven't heard it as much as my friends, so i can tolerate it. they can't.`
`05:15.15`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: i can tolerate a lot .. you should try the barbie girl song :)`
`05:15.30`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: which one is that`
`05:15.39`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: by Aqua iirc`
`05:16.16`	`abrotman`	`the trick to finding really damn annoying songs is to find catchy ones .. that are just damn stupid`
`05:16.29`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: e.g. mmmbop`
`05:16.33`	`krazykit`	`abrotman: please tell me you're not talking about barbie girl`
`05:16.34`	`abrotman`	`yep`
`05:16.55`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: "save big money at menards"`
`05:16.58`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: i'm trying to help SerajewelKS turn his housemates into blathering idiots :)`
`05:17.01`	`SerajewelKS`	`god i hate that one`
`05:17.24`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: ad jingles are the worst`
`05:17.27`	`krazykit`	`use the dutch version of barbie girl then.`
`05:17.38`	`krazykit`	`also, play the macarena!`
`05:17.38`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: Dancing Queen`
`05:17.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`krazykit: haha, good one`
`05:18.00`	`harshal`	`i believe in miracle, you sexy thing!`
`05:18.52`	`abrotman`	`this is mostly why i don't listen to much radio .. i spend all day humming Christina Aguilera`
`05:19.21`	`krazykit`	`time to configure x :-(`
`05:19.29`	`harshal`	`then our radio stations are much better i guess.`
`05:19.34`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: oh .. that ISO worked ?`
`05:19.42`	`krazykit`	`abrotman: hell yeah it did!`
`05:19.46`	`abrotman`	`krazykit: good`
`05:19.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: i sense a baseball bat in my future`
`05:20.03`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: if you really want me to .. i'm sure i can think of more :)`
`05:20.31`	`abrotman`	`some tom petty songs are mentally abusive`
`05:20.32`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: i think i'm good for this coming week`
`05:20.37`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: if i live that long`
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`05:20.53`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`05:21.27`	`abrotman`	`gah .. screaming kids again`
`05:21.39`	`SerajewelKS`	`dammit`
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`05:21.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`reminds me why bittorrent is so much better than gnutella`
`05:21.57`	`SerajewelKS`	`SHA1 check fails, oh goody let's download the song AGAIN`
`05:21.58`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: i mean .. there has to be at least one song every year for the last 30 or so`
`05:22.22`	`abrotman`	`what would it be for this year .. that Usher song ?`
`05:22.32`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: which one?`
`05:22.44`	`abrotman`	`Yeah .. or whatever it was called`
`05:23.05`	`SerajewelKS`	`FUDGE`
`05:23.09`	`SerajewelKS`	`fourth time`
`05:23.11`	`abrotman`	`i don't know that song`
`05:23.31`	`SerajewelKS`	`no, this is the fourth time gtk-gnutella is downloading a song because of a SHA1 check failing`
`05:23.55`	`bucky`	`you'll never hear the difference`
`05:23.59`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: it's usually just a single byte that's off .. i'm sure it's usable for the point of disturbing the neighbors`
`05:24.19`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: yeah, if gtk-gnutella didn't keep DELETING IT`
`05:24.29`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: besides, this other one is plenty annoying`
`05:24.35`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: oh .. i think you can make it not do that`
`05:24.35`	`bucky`	`LimeWire is better`
`05:24.45`	`SerajewelKS`	`bucky: limewire uses gnutella`
`05:25.06`	`SerajewelKS`	`bucky: same network, same pitfalls`
`05:25.13`	`bucky`	`LimeWire is a java app`
`05:25.25`	`bucky`	`that works`
`05:25.29`	`SerajewelKS`	`bucky: oh, well then it's plenty stable... right?`
`05:25.38`	`SerajewelKS`	`bucky: java don't mean crap.. look at azureus`
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`05:25.51`	`bucky`	`yep and azureus works too`
`05:26.09`	`SerajewelKS`	`bucky: it's a CPU hug and memory-leaking piece of shit`
`05:26.13`	`SerajewelKS`	`hog too`
`05:26.23`	`bucky`	`i like the azureus plugin for mozilla`
`05:26.24`	`abrotman`	`let's think of other annoying songs!`
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`05:26.36`	`abrotman`	`right .. let's honk the horn when we leave`
`05:26.39`	`SerajewelKS`	`bucky: of course i still use it, 'cause i haven't looked for alternatives yet`
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`05:27.15`	`bucky`	`i use it because i have used the alternatives`
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`05:27.23`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: i almost can't wait for break to be over`
`05:27.33`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`05:28.07`	`SerajewelKS`	`eighth time`
`05:28.10`	`Cope`	`what's an 'msloc' ?`
`05:28.18`	`psychonate`	`I feel stupid. I just now realized why someone would call a CD-writing GUI "Arson" :(`
`05:28.29`	`abrotman`	`psychonate: i blame your school district`
`05:28.35`	`psychonate`	`haha`
`05:28.44`	`psychonate`	`abrotman, Middletown Area School District heh`
`05:28.52`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: i heard 15 second of dancing queen. i'm done for now.`
`05:28.56`	`SerajewelKS`	`seconds*`
`05:28.59`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: you don't like it ?`
`05:29.15`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: i'm tolerant of most things, but ... gah`
`05:29.19`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`05:29.30`	`bucky`	`Abba is the only good thing that came out of sweden`
`05:29.30`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: btw .. toresbe actually likes ABBA`
`05:29.37`	`abrotman`	`bucky: girls ?`
`05:29.46`	`bucky`	`that too`
`05:30.03`	`SerajewelKS`	`OH GOD MY EARS`
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`05:30.29`	`abrotman`	`oh .. you know .. i bet some Wham! would piss off your floor`
`05:30.40`	`abrotman`	`too bad i don't know any really annoying wham`
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`05:30.49`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: if i play dancing queen i'm seriously going to have to hire a bodyguard`
`05:30.53`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`05:31.12`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: oh, there's always Man I Feel Like a Woman`
`05:31.25`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: oh shit ... "It's Raining Men"! :)`
`05:31.40`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: it's a good song, melodically`
`05:31.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: then she wrote the words and fucked it up`
`05:32.15`	`bucky`	`i thought Paul Schaffer wrote it's raining men`
`05:32.21`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: it's almost parody material`
`05:32.37`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: oh .. good plan .. weird al is annoying as all fuck`
`05:32.39`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: five bucks says Weird Al parodies it in the next two years`
`05:32.49`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: no way`
`05:32.54`	`abrotman`	`My name is YODA .. Y O D A YODA`
`05:32.57`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: most of weird al's stuff is decent..`
`05:33.07`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: it's all about the pentiums, baby`
`05:33.12`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`05:33.20`	`krazykit`	`you wanna be a hacker, code cracker?`
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`05:33.27`	`bucky`	`Shania Twain would never let her songs be parodied`
`05:33.28`	`SerajewelKS`	`slacker?`
`05:33.39`	`krazykit`	`wasting time with all the chatroom yakkers`
`05:33.41`	`Uchiha`	`Is there a huge difference between pentium M and Celeron M?`
`05:33.43`	`SerajewelKS`	`workin at a desk with a dumb little plaquard (sp)`
`05:33.53`	`SerajewelKS`	`nine to five chilling at hewlett packard`
`05:34.09`	`abrotman`	`Uchiha: yes`
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`05:34.18`	`SerajewelKS`	`yeah payin the bills with my mad programmin skillz, defraggin my hard drive for thrills`
`05:34.29`	`abrotman`	`!beat SerajewelKS`
`05:34.43`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: knock it off before i send you to jersey`
`05:34.48`	`SerajewelKS`	`see? told you i'd need a bodyguard.`
`05:35.07`	`SerajewelKS`	`my favorite has to be I Can't Watch This`
`05:35.20`	`abrotman`	`hehe .. i wonder if Sledgehammer gets annoying after a few runs`
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`05:35.36`	`abrotman`	`or Big Time`
`05:35.39`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: any song will get annoying the fiftieth time`
`05:35.51`	`Guerin`	`!qotd6`
`05:35.51`	`dpkg`	`<d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker?`
`05:35.55`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: the trick is finding one that solicits a reaction within the first few seconds`
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`05:36.04`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: name an annoying song!`
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`05:36.22`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: there are too many to choose fromm`
`05:36.28`	`abrotman`	`just one!`
`05:36.35`	`jgould`	`any one know of an easy way to suspend a linux machine?`
`05:36.41`	`abrotman`	`Africa by toto ?`
`05:36.45`	`abrotman`	`!suspend`
`05:36.46`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!)`
`05:36.46`	`SerajewelKS`	`jgould: unplug it`
`05:36.50`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: can I name an annoying album?`
`05:36.57`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: beck, midnite vultures`
`05:37.00`	`streuner`	`hehe`
`05:37.09`	`bucky`	`I'm a Barbie Girl?`
`05:37.11`	`Guerin`	`annoyingest album since 1987`
`05:37.14`	`jgould`	`SerajewelKS: I was thinking a little nicer to the file system`
`05:37.23`	`SerajewelKS`	`jgould: oh, right =)`
`05:37.27`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: dunno ..sea change is really fucking bad`
`05:37.42`	`streuner`	`Guerin: what kind of "music" they playing?`
`05:38.00`	`abrotman`	`bucky: we got that one`
`05:38.00`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: sea change is just boring ... midnite vultures is disco fucktards on e`
`05:38.09`	`Guerin`	`streuner: ask abrotman`
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`05:38.15`	`streuner`	`heh`
`05:38.22`	`Guerin`	`i'm listening to a grand old song called 'drunken boat' right about now`
`05:38.30`	`jgould`	`some one said they had S3 suspend working, How did they do it if there in here`
`05:38.43`	`abrotman`	`SerajewelKS: of course .. you can ask streuner for his copies of David Hasselhoff CDs`
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`05:38.50`	`Guerin`	`if you can imagine drunken irishment making music to a cossack tune`
`05:38.51`	`streuner`	`haha`
`05:38.52`	`SerajewelKS`	`jgould: make sure if you're doing that that you don't boot windows too`
`05:38.56`	`ke6isf`	`Oy, what a night`
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`05:39.00`	`SerajewelKS`	`jgould: if you have any FAT partitions especially`
`05:39.27`	`SerajewelKS`	`jgould: windows and linux cache info about filesystems, so if you hibernate both of them at the same times, their caches can fight and lose files`
`05:39.30`	`abrotman`	`oh .. they finally shut up downstairs! ..`
`05:39.45`	`Tortel`	`:D`
`05:39.55`	`Tortel`	`its almost 1am`
`05:40.03`	`jgould`	`SerajewelKS: I have Linux set as my default os, I can actually shut down windows now that I don't use it`
`05:40.03`	`abrotman`	`Tortel: you should .. your mommy isn't going to bring you any gifts`
`05:40.07`	`abrotman`	`err santa`
`05:40.10`	`NOthsouth`	Hello, I`m trying to mount my partition but it`s not working. I create a line on fstab > /dev/hdb1 /files ext3 umask=02222 0 0 .. but don`t work
`05:40.17`	`Tortel`	`they are there already`
`05:40.24`	`SerajewelKS`	`jgould: ok just so you know.. if one OS is hibernated, don't boot another`
`05:40.26`	`abrotman`	`NOthsouth: what's the error ?`
`05:40.40`	`SerajewelKS`	`jgould: unless they share no partitions between them`
`05:41.00`	`NOthsouth`	`abrotman, wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1`
`05:41.11`	`abrotman`	`is that your exact line ?`
`05:41.18`	`Guerin`	`NOthsouth: man mount`
`05:41.20`	`jgould`	`SerajewelKS: They don't Windows is on HDC1, the root is on HDC2, swap on HDC 3 and /home on HDC4`
`05:41.20`	`abrotman`	`Tortel: you cheated and looked ?`
`05:41.26`	`Guerin`	`NOthsouth: ext3 doesn't take a umask option`
`05:41.30`	`abrotman`	`i don't think 02222 is a valid umask anyways`
`05:41.36`	`Guerin`	`for obvious reasons`
`05:41.42`	`Guerin`	`riught, and that`
`05:41.51`	`SerajewelKS`	`jgould: i mean like a FAT partition for storing files between them. some partition that both OSes mount.`
`05:41.53`	`Tortel`	`abrotman, they havent set stuff out for 2 years`
`05:42.17`	`jgould`	`ok, so how do I do it`
`05:42.28`	`NOthsouth`	`hum`
`05:42.32`	`NOthsouth`	`i change to default`
`05:42.38`	`NOthsouth`	`but still the same error`
`05:42.45`	`abrotman`	`man mount :)`
`05:43.08`	`NOthsouth`	`:D okdokey`
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`05:43.09`	`SerajewelKS`	`NOthsouth: maybe it's not an ext3 filesystem?`
`05:43.23`	`abrotman`	`maybe it's not hdb1 :)`
`05:43.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`abrotman: right, if hdb1 is the wrong partition it's probably not ext3`
`05:44.12`	`abrotman`	`yeah yeah ..`
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`05:46.18`	`jgould`	`any one ever gotten s4 suspend to work?`
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`05:48.52`	`nayyares`	`hi, happy XMAS`
`05:49.03`	`harshal`	`and merry new year!`
`05:49.11`	`Nemoi`	`oh... Merry Christmas, everyone =)`
`05:49.51`	`krazykit`	`ugh`
`05:49.56`	`krazykit`	`hate configuring x`
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`05:50.16`	`Nemoi`	`How do I change where all the error messages go in console? It's annoying to have them all pop up where I'm working, so I was wondering if there's some 'global' way to redirect all that to a dedicated tty...?`
`05:50.23`	`krazykit`	`i'm not even sure what graphics driver to use... stupid intel integrated...`
`05:50.37`	`SerajewelKS`	`krazykit: lspci and google`
`05:50.51`	`liable`	`!syslogd`
`05:51.01`	`krazykit`	`SerajewelKS: i KNOW, i'm just whining publicly :-P`
`05:51.16`	`liable`	`!klogd`
`05:51.16`	`dpkg`	`[klogd] the kernel log daemon, which takes kernel messages from dmesg and feeds them to syslog, or to stop non-critical kernel messages appearing on the console, make sure klogd is installed, then edit /etc/init.d/klogd and add "-c 2" to the KLOGD variable. then /etc/init.d/klogd force-reload. people still use klogd? in sarge, dpkg --purge klogd sysklogd; apt-get install syslog-ng`
`05:52.28`	`Nemoi`	`Thank you, thank you :)`
`05:52.35`	`Nemoi`	`Life will be so much bettor`
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`05:54.16`	`liable`	`Its xmas and i have run out of beer.. :(`
`05:54.26`	`streuner`	`haha`
`05:54.36`	`liable`	`thats not funny!`
`05:56.07`	`nayyares`	`is there any other open souce replace to ns2?`
`05:57.06`	`streuner`	`liable: go out and buy some then?`
`05:57.15`	`vulture`	`nayyares: Opnet? (no idea if it's open source or not.. but it is a network simulator)`
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`05:58.19`	`nayyares`	`vulture, opnet is more towards optical networks.`
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`05:58.21`	`liable`	`streuner: no open stores here today. Will go and grovel at a friends place :)`
`06:01.05`	`debian_pwnz`	`I bought and installed the geforece mx2 card in my machine, and now i have that working under one monitor(19"dell) at 1600x1200@75. the original onboard intel 8mb video card (goes upto 1027x768@85), I want to also hookup to my second monitor (mistubishi 17"). how would i go about doing a dual monitor setup?`
`06:02.05`	`debian_pwnz`	`i guess no one is around, it being xmas and all`
`06:02.20`	`ke6isf`	`debian_pwnz: ...well, it is 01:00 EST.`
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`06:02.23`	`Gokee2`	`guess not`
`06:02.39`	`debian_pwnz`	`anyone on dual monitor?`
`06:02.51`	`ke6isf`	`debian_pwnz: Probably not, since nobody answered you in thirty seconds.`
`06:02.58`	`ke6isf`	`</sarcasm>`
`06:03.35`	`debian_pwnz`	`psuedo markup tags on irc don't work`
`06:03.36`	`debian_pwnz`	`:)`
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`06:04.44`	`tvn`	`is there a quick way to move file x, y ,z to a dir instead of calling the commands mv x dir ; mv y dir , mv z dir 3 times ?`
`06:05.02`	`Nemoi`	`um.. sorry, but it appears the unwanted error messages (messages about my wifi access point being in and out of range) in console aren't from klogd or syslogd (even after adding in the "-c 2" bit and killing both syslogd and klogd they persist), but the driver modules (..or so I assume?), anyone have pointers for how to deal with that, make them whine to syslog only and not my console?`
`06:05.11`	`ke6isf`	`tvn: A for loop comes to mind.`
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`06:07.04`	`Nemoi`	`tvn: I think you can give 'mv' multiple filenames as long as the last one's a directory to move the others to, or just 'mv * dir', if that's appleciable`
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`06:07.42`	`duncf`	`anyone know of a way to figure out what kind of memory you need to buy for a remote system? :-)`
`06:08.04`	`ke6isf`	`duncf: memory? As in ram?`
`06:08.09`	`duncf`	`ke6isf, yeah`
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`06:08.44`	`duncf`	`ke6isf, i want to take advantage of boxing day sales, but i forget what kind of ram i need :-)`
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`06:09.10`	`sonyman`	`what version of gcc was used to make the 2.6.12-1 kernel in etch?`
`06:09.22`	`ke6isf`	`Was about to suggest DIMMS, but I forgot that there are a bunch of different specs. =^^= Can you get somebody to look at the server?`
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`06:09.51`	`duncf`	`ke6isf, nah... its my home desktop, im just not at home :-)`
`06:10.12`	`ke6isf`	`duncf: Feh. Best I can come up with then. Then again, I'm running on five hours of sleep right now....`
`06:10.28`	`Labspec`	`belarc has a win ap, but it isnt perfect, and it would still have to be installed on that box`
`06:10.37`	`ke6isf`	`duncf: But that said, you should know what kind of computer you have. Is it some pre-packaged job, or did you build it yourself, or....?`
`06:10.39`	`sonyman`	`how can I set gcc 3.4 as the default instead of gcc 4?`
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`06:12.53`	`duncf`	`ke6isf, i didnt build it myself, but i bought it from a store that did`
`06:13.07`	`duncf`	`ke6isf, so i figure im SOL`
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`06:13.21`	`duncf`	`i might be able to piece together what the motherboard is from the lspci output`
`06:13.46`	`ke6isf`	`duncf: You might find your answer somewhere in /proc but I'm not sure where - someplace where the processor type lays. I can't remember rigth now, as I'm falling asleep.`
`06:14.06`	`Guerin`	`sonyman: find out what kernel was used with cat /proc/version`
`06:14.14`	`Nemoi`	`sonyman: 'which gcc' to find where 'gcc' (the link to it) is at, then do (after making sure it's a linkfile (ls -l)) 'ln -s /bindir/gcc4whatever /bindir/gcc' to point the gcc link to gcc 4 instead`
`06:14.16`	`Guerin`	`!makeflags`
`06:14.21`	`Guerin`	`bah`
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`06:14.59`	`sonyman`	`hmm it says it was made with 4.0.2 so I guess gcc is not my problem`
`06:15.12`	`sonyman`	`I'm trying to insert the ath_pci module and its not working`
`06:16.05`	`sonyman`	`I compiled them using the madwifi package from marlow's site but when I try to insert the module I get WARNING: Error inserting ath_hal (/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686-smp/kernel/drivers/net/ath_hal.ko): Invalid module format`
`06:16.05`	`sonyman`	`--the same message for a few other files too`
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`06:17.32`	`streuner`	`sonyman: they have a forum?`
`06:17.42`	`duncf`	`ke6isf, score... i think dmesg has it somewhere`
`06:18.03`	`duncf`	`in the ACPI stuff`
`06:18.07`	`sonyman`	`streuner, no`
`06:18.20`	`streuner`	`sonyman: no support at all?`
`06:18.24`	`sonyman`	`streuner, madwifi may, but this is using marlow's package from http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi`
`06:19.25`	`jgould`	`Any one know of a good how to for suspending using s3 or s4`
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`06:22.30`	`streuner`	`sonyman: what version of debian do you use?`
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`06:23.05`	`sonyman`	`streuner, etch`
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`06:25.43`	`dale`	`I've got an error from modprobe es1371. says ...sound/es1371.o: init_module: No such device`
`06:26.07`	`jgould`	`Guerin: was it you that had s3 suspend working?`
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`06:29.57`	`streuner`	`sonyman: what does 'cat /proc/version' say?`
`06:30.13`	`Guerin`	`jgould: nope.`
`06:30.27`	`jgould`	`Guerin: Shucks`
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`06:32.51`	`sonyman`	`streuner, Linux version 2.6.12-1-686-smp (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 4.0.2 20050917 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.1-8)) #1 SMP Tue Sep 27 13:10:31 JST 2005`
`06:33.47`	`dale`	`strange - did an lspci a few mins ago - it showed the sound card. Just did it again andhte card is not there.`
`06:34.52`	`streuner`	`sonyman: what does 'gcc --v' say?`
`06:35.10`	`streuner`	`(only the version)`
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`06:35.29`	`sonyman`	`4.0.3`
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`06:41.47`	`krazykit`	`bah! i simply cannot get xfree86 to work! the i810 drivers complain about missing devices, and the vesa drivers can't find a range to sync the screen :-(`
`06:42.31`	`bucky`	`krazykit, how new a computer is this?`
`06:42.43`	`krazykit`	`like, bought a few days ago new`
`06:43.07`	`bucky`	`krazykit, intel 915 chipset ?`
`06:43.54`	`krazykit`	`um...`
`06:44.10`	`krazykit`	`no`
`06:44.31`	`krazykit`	`intel 855gm chipset`
`06:46.21`	`bucky`	`krazykit, some of the newer intel chipsets aren't supported very well by xfree86 and xorg might work better`
`06:46.42`	`krazykit`	`hrm. well, i haven't the slightest clue how i'd go about installing x.org`
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`06:47.36`	`bucky`	`it's in etch (testing), which is a pretty easy upgrade`
`06:48.06`	`krazykit`	`i was planning on switching to testing after i got set up anyway`
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`06:56.27`	`exobyte`	`How do I use mknod to make a serial port (like ttyS00)`
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`07:04.32`	`SimonRaven`	`exobyte: man MAKEDEV, should be one for serial, else run generic-$arch`
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`07:09.23`	`krazykit`	`i must be completely stupid, as i can't get the sources.list file to work quite right... i keep getting "couldn't stat source package list" "file not found" errors`
`07:10.18`	`pabs3`	`krazykit: did you use aptitude update after changing it?`
`07:10.49`	`krazykit`	`yeah...aptitude -fr dist-upgrade`
`07:11.21`	`vulture`	`krazykit: that'd be a "no" then..`
`07:11.23`	`pabs3`	`not dist-upgrade, update.`
`07:11.28`	`pabs3`	`different things`
`07:11.34`	`krazykit`	`whoops.`
`07:12.33`	`SimonRaven`	`man apt-get for all the options, or --help`
`07:12.43`	`krazykit`	`right, i got it...`
`07:12.51`	`krazykit`	`4 things broken now...`
`07:13.54`	`krazykit`	`ok, i'm good now`
`07:14.25`	`jgould`	`any one have any sucess with suspending a laptop?`
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`07:16.01`	`krazykit`	`jgould, someone did, lemme read upwards`
`07:16.37`	`krazykit`	`err...heh... the window got closed at some point, sorry`
`07:16.41`	`krazykit`	`lost it`
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`07:18.03`	`jgould`	`krazykit: I know some one has, I just can't recall who it was`
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`07:22.22`	`jgould`	`caphuso: Are you around`
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`07:42.26`	`anapivirtua`	`Good night all / Bonne nuit tlm / Buona note a tutti`
`07:43.47`	`SimonRaven`	`g'night`
`07:45.31`	`john`	`is there any harm in switching straight from a 19 inch viewable to a 17 inch viewable (Flat Panel, Flat screen) LCD without even rebooting?`
`07:46.36`	`SimonRaven`	`harm, no, just maybe some x config to take care of. i'm assuming lcds are like crt monitors that way. but don't take my word for it`
`07:46.59`	`ApEtc`	`john: Probably nothing you really need to do except update your x config for the new sync ranges/resolutions`
`07:47.17`	`john`	`k guys thanks.`
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`07:49.27`	`dabaR`	`!win me`
`07:49.28`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, dabar! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!`
`07:51.11`	`dabaR`	`Thank you. I would like to dedicate this win to all the good people on #debian.`
`07:51.20`	`dabaR`	`However few there are.`
`07:51.32`	`dabaR`	`At this time, off course.`
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`07:52.23`	`user`	`is there a place wehre i can find specific libc6 package? i need libc6 2.3.5-6`
`07:53.15`	`rvalles`	`How do I tell debian to put all the linux virtual terminals in unicode mode?`
`07:53.35`	`pabs3`	`user: snapshot.debian.net`
`07:53.41`	`user`	`pabs3 thanks`
`07:53.51`	`rvalles`	`even if the system locales are already utf-8, if I cat a utf-8 file, it doesn't show accents and the sort property`
`07:53.56`	`rvalles`	`*properly`
`07:54.02`	`SimonRaven`	`rvalles: part of it is unicode_stop/start, see the utf-8 howto`
`07:54.18`	`SimonRaven`	`rvalles: that's not terminal, that's the file itself`
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`07:54.39`	`rvalles`	`SimonRaven: I know, but how to make the system boot that way already?`
`07:54.43`	`SimonRaven`	`sorting is a measure of your locale settings`
`07:54.55`	`SimonRaven`	`edit your shell rc files`
`07:54.59`	`dale`	`I'm trying to list the IRQ's... there is a utility - I saw it and now I cannot find it. help?`
`07:55.06`	`rvalles`	`SimonRaven: my other box is gentoo, and does have UNICODE="yes" in rc.conf`
`07:55.08`	`SimonRaven`	`again, see the utf-8 howto`
`07:55.13`	`rvalles`	`well`
`07:55.15`	`SimonRaven`	`this isn't gentoo`
`07:55.16`	`user`	`pabs3 mm, it doesn't have libc6, i suggest glibc... is that the same thing?`
`07:55.17`	`rvalles`	`I guess I should check that`
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`07:55.50`	`SimonRaven`	`i don't care what gentoo does, it's not debian`
`07:55.53`	`SimonRaven`	`user: yes`
`07:56.05`	`SimonRaven`	`user: it's done via source package`
`07:56.22`	`user`	`SimonRaven so you are suggesting that libc6 is a source package?`
`07:56.33`	`SimonRaven`	`deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool <source package name>`
`07:56.42`	`SimonRaven`	`no, i didn't suggest that`
`07:57.02`	`SimonRaven`	`apt-cache showsrc libc6`
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`07:58.27`	`user`	`mkay... how would i build my required libc6 package out of that?`
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`07:59.06`	`SimonRaven`	`see the new maintainer guide`
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`08:00.53`	`debian_pwnz`	`im trying to setup dual monitors. all my configs are fine, i combined the two and modified server layout. problems begins here, when i plug in the 2nd video card, the first one gets turned off(doesn't work, it is an intel onboard 8mb chipset). the new 32mb card when i pull out, the display switches to the first monitor. is there a way around this?`
`08:01.09`	`debian_pwnz`	`can i have th computer read both the onboard card and the other plugged in card?`
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`08:01.20`	`dale`	`I'm trying to list the IRQ's... there is a utility - I saw it and now I cannot find it. help?`
`08:01.20`	`debian_pwnz`	`at the same time i mean`
`08:01.45`	`dale`	`debian_pwnz: poss dup bios`
`08:01.55`	`debian_pwnz`	`dale?`
`08:01.57`	`user`	`dale try lsdev should list irq's`
`08:02.00`	`rvalles`	`SimonRaven: took a look on that howto, and some others`
`08:02.06`	`NOthsouth`	`Hello, i just install debian sarge, but apt is now resolving dependents`
`08:02.18`	`debian_pwnz`	`NOthsouth, congrats`
`08:02.19`	`dale`	`you mean lspci`
`08:02.26`	`rvalles`	`SimonRaven: no luck... they all tell me to unicode_start, but what I want is for the consoles to be unicode_started in boottime`
`08:02.27`	`user`	`dale no, lsdev`
`08:02.28`	`NOthsouth`	`sorry`
`08:02.30`	`debian_pwnz`	`lspci 0b`
`08:02.34`	`debian_pwnz`	`lspci -b`
`08:02.39`	`NOthsouth`	i men.. it`s not resolving dependencies
`08:02.40`	`debian_pwnz`	`if i remember correctly`
`08:02.43`	`dale`	`I do not have lsdev`
`08:02.52`	`dale`	`I need to find the pirq's too.`
`08:02.52`	`user`	`dale, but lspci with -b switch shall do it`
`08:02.55`	`rvalles`	`SimonRaven: while I can do that with a script, I believe debian should probably have a debian way of doing so, like gentoo does.`
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`08:03.15`	`exobyte`	`if I just cat a serial port with a system hooked up that feeds it data as though it was a serial console, will anything show up on the screen?`
`08:03.33`	`dale`	`lspci -b does not show me IRQ's.`
`08:03.37`	`SimonRaven`	`rvalles: they are, if you set it that way. yeh, would be nice, like some debconf thingy`
`08:03.59`	`debian_pwnz`	`"-b Bus-centric view. Show all IRQ numbers..."`
`08:04.09`	`user`	`dale from manpage: -b Bus-centric view. Show all IRQ numbers and addresses as seen by the cards on the PCI bus instead of as seen by the kernel.`
`08:04.10`	`dale`	`doesnt work`
`08:04.24`	`debian_pwnz`	`try -v then or -vv`
`08:04.24`	`SimonRaven`	`though there is some facilities for that, i don't remember what exactly. it's in one of the conslescreen or kbd setup init scripts`
`08:04.28`	`debian_pwnz`	`verbose output`
`08:04.38`	`SimonRaven`	`consolescreen*`
`08:04.42`	`dale`	`0000:00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) <--- its on irq11`
`08:05.28`	`debian_pwnz`	`dale debian_pwnz: poss dup bios <-- what where you talking about?`
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`08:05.59`	`user`	`dale you have sysutils installed? lsdev ships with it`
`08:06.05`	`dale`	`you cannot have 2 cards both presenting a bios. one must be disabled unless the cards do it themselves`
`08:06.32`	`debian_pwnz`	`dale, i understand. is there a way around it?`
`08:06.36`	`dale`	`possibly not. sysutils shows me nuthin`
`08:06.44`	`dale`	`usually a jumper.`
`08:06.51`	`debian_pwnz`	`jumper where?`
`08:07.17`	`dale`	`that was with old cards. I run dual matrox and I cannot recall since they've been running for years`
`08:07.55`	`debian_pwnz`	`yeh, i hav a geforce 2 mx installed in a sony vaio machine which came with an 8mb onboard intel card`
`08:08.06`	`debian_pwnz`	`im trying to get dual monitor going, any suggesstions`
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`08:08.43`	`debian_pwnz`	`bleh, clicked the wrong button`
`08:08.55`	`debian_pwnz`	`as i was saying, any word on dual monitor in my situation?`
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`08:09.58`	`jeph`	`merry xmas to the christians amoungst us... ahppy holidays to the rest...`
`08:10.21`	`debian_pwnz`	`thanks, you too`
`08:10.43`	`jeph`	`what are the expected switches to install in a Makefile? I was thinking -c -m xxxx -b`
`08:10.54`	`NOthsouth`	`when I try to use apt-get install; i receive this: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT: Force-LoopBreak option.`
`08:12.01`	`SimonRaven`	`jagerman: thanks dude, nice to see that, and you too`
`08:12.12`	`user`	`jeph you forgot to mention which christians.. catholic ;)`
`08:12.58`	`SimonRaven`	`all xtians celebrate x-mas, but at different times (jan. 6, dec. 25...)`
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`08:13.57`	`r3m`	`Hi, somebody know a search engine that search only free website provider, i want to found more personnal page, google give me only professional or busness site ie: search geocities multimania freehost ect.`
`08:14.14`	`debian_pwnz`	`after 3 years of 8mb video card and 128 mb ram, i feel like royalty now with 512mb ram and 32mb vid card`
`08:14.25`	`jeph`	`user: all of them ;-) I'm agnostic, but to all those who follow the teachings of love for your fellow man, turn the other cheek, and love your enemy before yourself, you have reason to celebrate :)`
`08:14.53`	`debian_pwnz`	`its more like, live and let live`
`08:15.07`	`debian_pwnz`	`then you can celebrate any damn holiday`
`08:15.14`	`jeph`	`debian_pwnz: not a bad philosophy at all....`
`08:15.23`	`debian_pwnz`	`i celebrage xmas, eid, honukkah`
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`08:15.26`	`debian_pwnz`	`etc.`
`08:15.37`	`pabs3`	`r3m: that would be offtopic. however, with google, you can restrict your search to one site like so site:geocities.com`
`08:15.42`	`SimonRaven`	`some of those aren't even original to xtianity. a lot of that is from the egyptian goddess isis, some from others. the xtians just "borrowed" stuff...`
`08:15.46`	`rod`	`in what package can i find the Gnome Multimedia Selector??`
`08:16.15`	`debian_pwnz`	`only thing that matters is... THE FORCE`
`08:16.25`	`debian_pwnz`	`god, religions, holidays, nothing means anything`
`08:16.44`	`debian_pwnz`	`and i don't mean the star wars force either mind you`
`08:17.00`	`pabs3`	`rod: what is the Gnome Multimedia Selector??`
`08:17.12`	`jeph`	`debian_pwnz: i thought it was THE SOURCE, but hey, I could be confused ;-)`
`08:17.14`	`debian_pwnz`	`i mean, the same force that makes us have cognition and reasoning abilities, the same force that still drives the universe to expand, that force`
`08:17.18`	`SimonRaven`	`the point to philosophy, spirituality, whatnot is to serve as a guide to be a decent person. the rest is fluff.`
`08:17.26`	`r3m`	`pabs3 thanks ! merry x-mas`
`08:17.34`	`debian_pwnz`	`SimonRaven, EXACTOMUNDooooo`
`08:18.29`	`rod`	`well, do you have gnome pabs3 ?`
`08:18.33`	`SimonRaven`	`at least in part. the personal stuff that's your own business. i don't share my personal spiritual things with people, i expect others to do the same. it's personal.`
`08:18.35`	`jeph`	`SimonRaven: and in that sense, xianinty is not half bad, if followed for the philosophy...`
`08:18.35`	`ambrose`	`Happy winter solstice, and I wish all you northern-hemisphere people a year of days longer than the one on the 21st.`
`08:18.37`	`debian_pwnz`	`smoke smoke smoke, all day long, smoke smoke smoke while i toke this bong...`
`08:18.42`	`pabs3`	`rod: yep`
`08:19.19`	`rod`	`pabs3, ok... in the last 2 or 3 gnome releases, if you go to System, the Preferences and then there it sits in the list`
`08:19.31`	`rod`	`pabs3, but on stable you dont have that recent version yet`
`08:19.52`	`debian_pwnz`	`lol, round eye for the asian guy`
`08:19.57`	`ambrose`	`There was a song on the radio this afternoon, a "modern christmas carol", where the singer whines about what a bad day they're having and then says "Christ! what a bad day" or whatever - the chorus is something about "putting the Christ back in Christmas: chri-i-i-i-ist"`
`08:19.59`	`debian_pwnz`	`HAHAHA, this is great, i love comedy central`
`08:20.04`	`jeph`	`OK, so we all philosophically centred and zenned out now ;-) how about those install switches? -c -m xxx -b or what?`
`08:20.24`	`pabs3`	`rod: seems like it is in gnome-media`
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`08:20.35`	`SimonRaven`	`jeph: xtians that don't push themselves on you i can tolerate. that's one of the reasons why i admire muslims and jews, and other religions that don't prosyletise. they respect your path, and they would like you to do the same. it's when you get fundies you start getting problems (fundies == people that think their way is the only way)`
`08:20.40`	`ambrose`	`jeph, what religion is that? ;-)`
`08:20.45`	`SimonRaven`	`jeph: depends on the Makefile`
`08:20.48`	`pabs3`	`rod: the command name is /usr/bin/gstreamer-properties`
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`08:21.08`	`rod`	`ohh alright, that's good to know pabs3 :) Gonna check it out`
`08:21.37`	`pabs3`	`happy consumerism season everyone!`
`08:21.46`	`debian_pwnz`	`hah`
`08:21.54`	`debian_pwnz`	`it is true only for america`
`08:21.57`	`jeph`	`SimonRaven, agree with the religious post btw.. So, I should do my homework and find a similar Makefile, and not expect #debian to hold my hand, eh? ;-)`
`08:22.46`	`SimonRaven`	`jeph: well, 'install' target is usually present in autofuck created Makefiles (and hand-grown ones too). there's no --option to make to make it do that AFAIK`
`08:24.16`	`jeph`	`SimonRaven: I think ye misunderstand me sir, I wish to use install(1) to get my compiled files into the right directories (/usr/share/man & /usr/lib), as opposed to simply using cp(1)...`
`08:24.30`	`SimonRaven`	`oooh, i see`
`08:25.18`	`pabs3`	`jeph: you probly want to read the manual page: run 'man install' in a terminal`
`08:25.26`	`SimonRaven`	`i usually use the common options... usually enough (the ones in --help)`
`08:26.52`	`jeph`	`pabs3: :D yes, that is the first thing I did, in a terminal ;-) but there are numerous switches, and I was wondering as to the generally acceptable minimum...`
`08:27.14`	`SimonRaven`	`-m -D -o -g`
`08:27.22`	`ambrose`	`jeph, I found I used -m, -o, -g, and -d the most`
`08:27.29`	`SimonRaven`	`you can leave off -D sometimes`
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`08:27.50`	`ambrose`	`Hmm, didn't know about -D... sure looks handy`
`08:28.36`	`ambrose`	`and I used a separate utility to do the stripping at a different stage`
`08:29.06`	`jeph`	`ambrose: dunno about that, since your compiled files might have incorrect permissions for a cp(1) to be effective`
`08:29.23`	`jeph`	`I wonder whether -o and -g will change the permissions with a -D`
`08:29.57`	`ambrose`	`jeph, different application: I was making a rootfs. I could fiddle ownership and permission as I liked`
`08:30.11`	`jeph`	`I MEAN -m for permissions and -o and -g for ownership`
`08:30.30`	`ambrose`	`I was doing it as root`
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`08:30.47`	`ambrose`	`but that's typically how packages get installed`
`08:30.52`	`jeph`	`ambrose: I just dont want 300 sysadmins knocking on my door with baseball bats ;-)`
`08:31.32`	`ambrose`	`Well, I guess you're installing it as yourself then, into someplace you can write to?`
`08:31.43`	`ambrose`	`Then you probably don't need -o and -g`
`08:31.50`	`ambrose`	`Mmm, maybe -g`
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`08:31.55`	`ambrose`	`I mean, maybe you can use -g`
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`08:33.05`	`jeph`	`ambrose: I'm thinking of someone compiling as non-privileged user, then "make install"'ing as root, leaving the files owned by the user if -o and -g are not used (or maybe if -D doesn't set ownership, perms etc)`
`08:33.53`	`jeph`	`then if that user name gets removed, an untrusted new user gets the same uid, and backdoor's your system...`
`08:34.04`	`ambrose`	`oh, so you want to use -o and -g then. No, -D doesn't mess with perms or ownerships - it just creates directories (if necessary), probably making them owned by the process owner that creates them`
`08:34.26`	`ambrose`	`Then you can bring the bat to the sysadmins, for using the same uid over again ;-)`
`08:35.18`	`jeph`	`OK folks, you all go and enjoy the holiday, thanks for the help. Cheers...`
`08:35.25`	`ambrose`	`You realize, that if the user is running "make install" as root, they can probably put what they like in the makefile`
`08:35.33`	`ambrose`	`and that's the end of security`
`08:35.58`	`ambrose`	`I did that too, when I needed to get stuff done :-) But my boss new, and I had permission`
`08:35.59`	`jeph`	`ambrose: sure, but then its their mistake, not mine :-)`
`08:36.39`	`jeph`	`OK, I must go feed this cat at my leg. BYE!!! enjoy...`
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`08:36.45`	`ambrose`	`ok. I'm going to bed too... night.`
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`08:38.08`	`cipo`	`anyone can help me?`
`08:38.24`	`Gokee2`	`no`
`08:38.35`	`cipo`	`:(`
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`08:38.51`	`Gokee2`	you see its REALLY hard to help when you don`t know the problem
`08:39.03`	`cipo`	`oh sorry`
`08:39.14`	`dale`	`I need to see the real IRQ's -lspci is not showing them. I am missing two (2) ISA cards`
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`08:39.52`	`cipo`	`1st sorry for my english`
`08:40.13`	`cipo`	`im trying to make an ipv6 lan`
`08:40.14`	`Gokee2`	`cipo, Ah I see, so whats the problem?`
`08:40.24`	`cipo`	`can u give me some reference?`
`08:41.59`	`cipo`	`is there any dhcp client for ipv6?`
`08:42.31`	`cipo`	`oh ok thank you anyway, Gokee2`
`08:42.40`	`Gokee2`	`np`
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`08:49.53`	`dale`	`I need to see the real IRQ's -lspci is not showing them. I am missing two (2) ISA cards`
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`08:56.59`	`cipo`	`cat /proc/ioports`
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`09:01.20`	`AgentJ87`	`hi`
`09:01.40`	`AgentJ87`	`can sumone give me command to get specs on server`
`09:01.40`	`AgentJ87`	`?`
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`09:02.39`	`netcrusher88`	`why is ide-generic support compiled as a module? that's just stupid`
`09:02.54`	`AgentJ87`	`any help`
`09:02.54`	`AgentJ87`	`?`
`09:03.02`	`netcrusher88`	`agent: what's up?`
`09:03.10`	`AgentJ87`	`hi net`
`09:03.29`	`AgentJ87`	`is there a command to enter to get specs on my server`
`09:03.30`	`AgentJ87`	`?`
`09:03.39`	`netcrusher88`	`specs for what?`
`09:04.01`	`AgentJ87`	`like processor`
`09:04.05`	`AgentJ87`	`hd`
`09:04.16`	`AgentJ87`	`connection speed`
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`09:04.44`	`netcrusher88`	`'df' tells you about free space - and total space - on any mounted drive`
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`09:04.55`	`AgentJ87`	`k`
`09:05.06`	`netcrusher88`	`as for the others, i can't remember atm`
`09:05.33`	`AgentJ87`	`hmm`
`09:06.15`	`netcrusher88`	`try dmesg \| less`
`09:06.29`	`netcrusher88`	`that should have the information you're looking for near the top for processor`
`09:06.39`	`netcrusher88`	`and many other interesting things as well`
`09:07.25`	`netcrusher88`	`as for internet connection, it must be benchmarked, and there are several websites to do so, although i can't think of any software at the moment`
`09:08.01`	`AgentJ87`	`k`
`09:09.37`	`galois`	`AgentJ87: do you have root?`
`09:09.43`	`AgentJ87`	`yes`
`09:09.52`	`galois`	`if so you can apt-setup to get an idea of speed`
`09:09.59`	`galois`	`*connection speed`
`09:10.27`	`galois`	`fetches several files from a server and shows average speed and current speed`
`09:10.40`	`galois`	`anyway merrry christmas and have a good one`
`09:11.35`	`AgentJ87`	`u 2`
`09:12.24`	`netcrusher88`	`does make-kpkg automatically clean the kernel tree before building?`
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`09:16.46`	`dale`	`I need to see the real IRQ's -lspci is not showing them. I am missing two (2) ISA cards`
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`09:17.36`	`Diazepam`	`merry xmas all`
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`09:30.34`	`gnu2it2`	`hi, i'm new to debian. is this working ?`
`09:30.47`	`FinnTux`	`yep, this thing is on`
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`09:31.31`	`Arun333`	`wats the minimum no of cds of debain sarge i need for graphical system`
`09:31.43`	`FinnTux`	`1`
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`09:32.06`	`FinnTux`	`or is it? :)`
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`09:32.58`	`dale`	`Arun333: zero. You can net install froma floppy`
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`09:33.11`	`foo_`	`any idea how can i send an snmp trap to an snmptrapd daemon?`
`09:33.17`	`Arun333`	`dale:i dont have a fats internet conn`
`09:33.49`	`Arun333`	`dale:but ive got all the packages on diff cds`
`09:33.53`	`dale`	`Arun333: one. But you will prolly want more. You can order ubuntu for free.`
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`09:34.05`	`Arun333`	`dale:how can i make a single installation cd`
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`09:34.21`	`Arun333`	`dale:ive got ubuntu.....not satisfied`
`09:34.26`	`dale`	`just ask the ubuntu people to mail one to you`
`09:34.53`	`dale`	`I take it you want debian?`
`09:35.01`	`Arun333`	`dale:ya`
`09:35.15`	`Arun333`	`dale:ive got almost 6000 packages for debian`
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`09:35.28`	`dale`	`just install ubuntu and use apt or synaptic. What do you not like about ubuntu?`
`09:35.38`	`ChronoWiz`	`anyone have any problems with du and samba filesystems?`
`09:35.56`	`Arun333`	`dale:wat r the packages ive to put in a cd to make graphical debian installation`
`09:36.08`	`Shortz`	`nah i just got problems with my internet connectio :(`
`09:36.23`	`dale`	`Arun333: XFree86 & probably KDE`
`09:36.37`	`Shortz`	`what a great time for it play up :(`
`09:36.51`	`Arun333`	`dale:how can i make that debian bootable cd`
`09:37.22`	`dale`	`Shortz: I can't see the IRQ's i this system. any idea how?`
`09:37.38`	`dale`	`Arun333: I have never done that. none of my machines are that new`
`09:37.54`	`EdLin`	`Arun333: check out the isolinux docs`
`09:37.57`	`b14ck`	`What's the command to remove a user? 'rmuser' isn't working.`
`09:38.16`	`EdLin`	`Arun333: I wouldn't recommend it though, considering what is on the first official Debian disk`
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`09:38.27`	`dale`	`try deluser or userdel`
`09:39.06`	`b14ck`	`That didn't remove their home directory =/`
`09:39.15`	`Arun333`	`EdLin:if i alter the packages file in the first disk includin all essential packages will it work`
`09:39.32`	`dale`	`b14ck: no - you may want to clean up it yourself`
`09:39.42`	`EdLin`	`Arun333: why are you doing this?`
`09:39.52`	`dale`	`does anyone know how to list the IRQ's a system is using?`
`09:39.58`	`b14ck`	`dale, but it removes everything but their home directory?`
`09:40.23`	`Arun333`	`EdLin:i want to create a debian bootable installation disk which supports GUI from one cd`
`09:40.28`	`dale`	`b14ck: just use rm -R and be bloody careful`
`09:40.45`	`b14ck`	`dale, thanks. Just checking.`
`09:40.51`	`dale`	`Arun333: have you created a distro before?`
`09:41.00`	`EdLin`	`Arun333: the first official CD includes XFree86`
`09:41.05`	`Arun333`	`dale:NO`
`09:41.26`	`dale`	`Arun333: pop over to www.maxos.com (maybe its ca) and send a email to dan`
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`09:41.33`	`Shortz`	`Dale : nope`
`09:41.36`	`Arun333`	`dale:k`
`09:41.55`	`Arun333`	`EdLin:wat other packages should i include`
`09:42.07`	`dale`	`damn - if I could list off these damn interupts I could find he conflict`
`09:42.15`	`user`	`b14ck deluser or userdel`
`09:42.30`	`bbrazil`	`b14ck: man userdel - there's an option for that`
`09:42.35`	`user`	`dale as i said sysutils has utility called lsdev, that lists irq`
`09:42.42`	`b14ck`	`Thanks. (sorry about the stupid question, im used to bsd rmuser)`
`09:42.46`	`dale`	`I don't uave it.`
`09:42.53`	`user`	`dale then install it`
`09:42.56`	`Shortz`	`lol`
`09:43.09`	`user`	`dale it is sysutils package, and should be there`
`09:43.19`	`Arun333`	`dale:there is no maxos.com`
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`09:43.30`	`EdLin`	`Arun333: I think you're wasting a lot of time, it'd be quicker to download the files that you need with the installer and apt-get than making your own distro.`
`09:43.44`	`bbrazil`	`dale: try /proc/interupts`
`09:43.45`	`user`	`dale also procinfo shows some irqs`
`09:43.47`	`debian_pwnz`	`ahh boy, finally, got my firewall up and running. got apache and ftpd going`
`09:44.02`	`Shortz`	`lol debian_pwnz`
`09:44.12`	`debian_pwnz`	`nothing better than feeling the satisfaction of stuff being done`
`09:44.15`	`user`	`dale /usr/bin/procinfo`
`09:44.26`	`Shortz`	`im still fixing a box, and installing debian on the other`
`09:44.47`	`debian_pwnz`	`hey`
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`09:44.51`	`debian_pwnz`	`visit my retarded lil site`
`09:45.15`	`debian_pwnz`	`its a work in progress, about slurpies and stuff`
`09:45.31`	`debian_pwnz`	`http://bungs.dontexist.com`
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`09:46.24`	`dale`	`interuupts 5 6 7 9 10 11 13 are not shown as used. IRQ 12 is also not shown but I know it is used because dmesg shows it. 2 cards are not mapped in.`
`09:46.45`	`debian_pwnz`	`hey man, still looking for those irqs`
`09:47.25`	`user`	`dale, i suggest lsdev, go install sysutils pacakge`
`09:47.41`	`debian_pwnz`	`hey didn't you say that like half n hour ago`
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`09:47.44`	`Hellark`	`hi`
`09:47.48`	`debian_pwnz`	`dejavu man im goin bonkers`
`09:47.50`	`dale`	`done. output was from lsdev`
`09:48.15`	`Hellark`	`can anyone help me with update-alternatives --install cmd? i don't understand how to use it`
`09:48.17`	`user`	`debian_pwnz well, he said i don't have it, and i otld him the pacakge to use.. w/e not my problem`
`09:49.01`	`debian_pwnz`	`ahh see, right`
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`09:49.24`	`user`	`dale, what about procinfo?`
`09:49.36`	`Hellark`	`i hava different JVM installed and i wanna to switch to the sun java, not to the gcj or same shits?`
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`09:50.28`	`dale`	`same info - two missing ISA cards.`
`09:50.38`	`user`	`!tell Hellark about java`
`09:50.39`	`EdLin`	`Hellark: if you use java-package to make a deb out of your Java package it does all of that for you.`
`09:51.20`	`EdLin`	`!tell Hellark about java-package`
`09:51.38`	`debian_pwnz`	`word! edlin man, havnt used that since print shop 3 on a yellow and black monitor`
`09:51.44`	`dale`	`I _might_ need an option on my modprobe es1371. I do NOT have one in the other machine and it works.`
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`09:52.25`	`dale`	`hmmm - I was seeing the device type eariler today but not anymore.`
`09:52.41`	`dale`	`I don't see my SCSI card either.`
`09:53.20`	`user`	`does is show up on lspci?`
`09:53.26`	`dale`	`no`
`09:53.43`	`dale`	`modprobe says it is not there.`
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`09:54.22`	`user`	`dale btw, lspci -vv -b shall list irqs`
`09:54.43`	`user`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:54.48`	`user`	`etc`
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`09:55.24`	`scanwinder`	`what programs are there to scan for wireless access points?`
`09:55.32`	`user`	`scanwinder iwlist`
`09:56.15`	`scanwinder`	`user: im having trouble with iwlist`
`09:56.38`	`user`	`scanwinder and?`
`09:56.50`	`scanwinder`	`user: it just says access points in range: 00:00:00:00:00:00`
`09:57.07`	`scanwinder`	`and wont list any others - and i know there is at least 1 in range`
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`09:57.22`	`user`	`scanwinder can you connect to AP?`
`09:57.28`	`vivid`	`anyone know what version of gnome comes with etch?`
`09:57.32`	`dale`	`is lspci going to see the ISA bus too?`
`09:58.53`	`bbrazil`	`vivid: packages.debian.org`
`10:01.18`	`user`	`dale it sees isa bridge`
`10:01.39`	`dale`	`yes - I see that too - but I do not see the devices on that bus.`
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`10:02.17`	`dale`	`user - where are you from?`
`10:02.32`	`user`	`dale xUSSR`
`10:02.36`	`dale`	`user I have to go to bed`
`10:02.42`	`dale`	`where in theUSSR?`
`10:02.52`	`dale`	`user - your women are so gorgeous`
`10:03.45`	`user`	`dale slavic woman are the best`
`10:03.58`	`dale`	`user - I think so too.`
`10:03.59`	`vivid`	`says 2.10 in etch, but doesnt say what version for stable`
`10:04.15`	`user`	`vivid stable != etch`
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`10:05.22`	`vivid`	`isnt sarge stable..`
`10:05.32`	`dale`	`user i have to go to sleep. merry xmas and thanx`
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`10:05.57`	`user`	`dale sorry, not much of help to you, good luck, and happy holidays`
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`10:06.41`	`user`	`vivid, <vivid> says 2.10 in etch, but doesnt say what version for stable. all i'm saying stable isn't etch. stable == sarge. testing == etch`
`10:07.00`	`vivid`	`are you ok?`
`10:07.18`	`dondelelcaro`	`!info gnome etch`
`10:07.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`!tell vivid -about pdo`
`10:07.29`	`vivid`	`i said it says what version it is in ETCH, but not in STABLE`
`10:07.44`	`vivid`	`which turns out to be 2.8`
`10:08.29`	`vivid`	`thats what i was talking about dondelelcaro, pdo doesnt say what version gnome is for sarge`
`10:08.35`	`dondelelcaro`	`vivid: sure it does.`
`10:08.38`	`user`	`vivid yes, your original question was refering to etch, that's why you were refered to that particualr source`
`10:09.06`	`plbgnr`	`hello, can anybody help with wget? ..I want to get all mp3 files from website. But problem is that these files are on another domain ...example1.com has links to example2.com/fileXXX.mp3 ...I used -D example2.com ...but this doesn't work....`
`10:09.09`	`vivid`	`it says gnome (64), and gives a description`
`10:09.27`	`vivid`	`for etch it says gnome (1:2.10.x...)`
`10:09.35`	`dondelelcaro`	`vivid: that's just the gnome package. You want to look at the versino of something like libbonobo`
`10:09.46`	`dondelelcaro`	`vivid: or perhaps gconf-editor.`
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`10:10.31`	`vivid`	`as i was browsing down the list they were all sorts of different versions, i didnt know which exact one`
`10:10.43`	`vivid`	`but doesnt 2.8 have menu editing functionality?`
`10:10.54`	`dondelelcaro`	`!+info gconf-editor stable`
`10:10.57`	`faked`	`how can I exlude files with star ?`
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`10:11.47`	`user`	`faked * is a wildcard. to include files, not to exclude`
`10:11.53`	`dondelelcaro`	`!+info gconf-editor stable`
`10:12.05`	`dpkg`	`gconf-editor: (An editor for the GConf configuration system), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.8.2-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 216 kB, Installed size: 1420 kB`
`10:12.28`	`dondelelcaro`	`faked: if you want to do something complex like that, you want to use find, not shell globs.`
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`10:14.27`	`plbgnr`	`ok I found it :) it must be 'wget -rH -Dexample2.com -A.mp3 example1.com'`
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`10:14.43`	`deadcat`	`dondelelcaro: hows the broadcom driver for airport extreme going?`
`10:15.44`	`vivid`	`!+info gconf-editor testing`
`10:15.47`	`dpkg`	`gconf-editor: (An editor for the GConf configuration system), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.10.0-3 (etch), Packaged size: 228 kB, Installed size: 1452 kB`
`10:16.00`	`vivid`	`!+info gconf-editor sid`
`10:16.03`	`dpkg`	`gconf-editor: (An editor for the GConf configuration system), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.10.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 228 kB, Installed size: 1452 kB`
`10:16.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`deadcat: dunno, haven't been able to get it to work yet..`
`10:16.29`	`dondelelcaro`	`vivid: you can use /msg.`
`10:16.54`	`vivid`	`i have been, didnt know it worked that way too`
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`10:20.00`	`hebfftijd`	`how can i restore gdm it doensn't show up anymore after upgrade`
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`10:22.51`	`DevilChaos`	`hi folks merry chrismas`
`10:22.56`	`DevilChaos`	`again`
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`10:24.23`	`faked`	`user, dondelelcaro : I did not mean the wildcard star, I meant the package star (apt-cache show star)`
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`10:26.15`	`bbrazil`	`faked: 'man star', if its similar enough to tar it'll have some --exclude option`
`10:26.44`	`faked`	`bbrazil: no, there's no --exlude option`
`10:27.19`	`bbrazil`	`faked: what about an include option and you could do the inverse?`
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`10:27.32`	`vosti`	`hi`
`10:27.40`	`DevilChaos`	`hi need someone to help me format a HD please having a bit of trouble with it fdisk or cfdisk`
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`10:27.42`	`DevilChaos`	`?`
`10:28.13`	`FinnTux`	`is custom DSDT loading in initrd supposed to work in sarge?`
`10:28.35`	`bbrazil`	`DevilChaos: are you trying to format or parition?`
`10:28.43`	`DevilChaos`	`once i get a primary partition on it and try to mount it just says theres a bad superblock`
`10:28.47`	`DevilChaos`	`format`
`10:28.54`	`bbrazil`	`DevilChaos: what FS do you want to use?`
`10:29.01`	`DevilChaos`	`vfat`
`10:29.08`	`bbrazil`	`mkfs.vfat /dev/whatever`
`10:30.09`	`DevilChaos`	`bbrazil mkfs.vfat then a space?`
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`10:30.23`	`DevilChaos`	`no matter`
`10:30.58`	`DevilChaos`	`bash: mkfs.vfat: command not found`
`10:31.14`	`bbrazil`	`DevilChaos: you'll need to install it`
`10:31.24`	`DevilChaos`	`mkfs`
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`10:32.13`	`bbrazil`	`DevilChaos: 'apt-file search mkfs.vfat' will find the package for you`
`10:32.37`	`_SerhaT_`	`apt-get install dosfstools ?`
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`10:33.31`	`bbrazil`	`_SerhaT_: I'd use aptitude, but yes :)`
`10:33.37`	`DevilChaos`	`bash: apt-file: command not found`
`10:33.43`	`_SerhaT_`	`I use apt-get ... always ;p`
`10:33.55`	`bbrazil`	`!installit`
`10:33.55`	`dpkg`	`*** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>.`
`10:33.58`	`_SerhaT_`	`DevilChaos: you can install apt-file.. just use apt-get install dosfstools .. or aptitude or w/e ;p`
`10:34.02`	`bbrazil`	`_SerhaT_: aptitude is nicer`
`10:34.07`	`vosti`	`DevilChaos, apt-cache search`
`10:34.29`	`_SerhaT_`	`bbrazil: I am sure it is.. apt-get is faster.. no gui/ncurses etc ;p`
`10:34.33`	`DevilChaos`	`dpkg: bot i know lol`
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`10:34.47`	`bbrazil`	`_SerhaT_: you can use it entirely on the cli`
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`10:35.05`	`daddy_noehl`	`how can see files hlp in the linux?`
`10:35.07`	`_SerhaT_`	`bbrazil: I know.. just tried.. I don't need menu's.. it just needs to install what I say.. like apt-get ^^`
`10:35.31`	`user`	`daddy_noehl man man. /usr/share/doc`
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`10:35.40`	`bbrazil`	`_SerhaT_: apprently to for sarge upgrade aptitude was required to handle some dependancis that apt-get couldn't`
`10:36.17`	`_SerhaT_`	`<-- etch user .. anyway apt-get works for me.. so I don't mind :)`
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`10:36.40`	`sdakota`	`hi`
`10:36.46`	`dondelelcaro`	`_SerhaT_: you can pretty much just use aptitude as you would use apt-get; in any case, if you're using etch, you should either be using aptitude or apt-get+deborphan et al.`
`10:37.00`	`daddy_noehl`	`hmm`
`10:37.07`	`daddy_noehl`	`what program?`
`10:38.40`	`Maulkin`	`writer.output($ob_random_xmas_greeting[rand(0,100)]);`
`10:39.34`	`sdakota`	`when I run apt-get in a script, can I kind of tell aptitude what answer to give to what questions?`
`10:40.04`	`sdakota`	`Or set the debconf to HIGH and check if the default answers are really the answers I want`
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`10:41.55`	`codex`	`When I try to install mldonkey-server from unstable, i get: Fatal error: exception Failure("lexing: empty token"). How can I fix it, or where can I get an older mldonkey-server package?`
`10:42.29`	`dondelelcaro`	`sdakota: it's debconf that is asking the questions in almost all cases.`
`10:42.40`	`dondelelcaro`	`sdakota: so preseed debconf if you want to do that...`
`10:42.53`	`sdakota`	`dondelelcaro, I'll read the manual page on debconf`
`10:42.58`	`sdakota`	`..if there is any`
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`10:43.01`	`Maulkin`	`codex: You could try http://www.backports.org`
`10:43.11`	`Maulkin`	`codex: or http://www.apt-get.org`
`10:43.20`	`daddy_noehl`	`I can see files with the extension hlp with program wine by the file no has see correct. Some programa native linux for this?`
`10:43.20`	`dondelelcaro`	`codex: just install an older version from snapshot.debian.org`
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`10:43.43`	`DevilChaos`	`dosfsck is in run me through it please?`
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`10:44.39`	`Maulkin`	`daddy_noehl: helpdeco`
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`10:45.02`	`sdakota`	`dondelelcaro, how to preseed debconf ?`
`10:45.04`	`Maulkin`	`DevilChaos: ?`
`10:45.16`	`DevilChaos`	`hi maulkin`
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`10:45.43`	`DevilChaos`	`trying to format a new hard drive i got yesterday and having a few problems`
`10:46.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`sdakota: using debconf-set-seelctions`
`10:46.26`	`DevilChaos`	`i want it to be vfat32 win 95 format`
`10:46.59`	`sdakota`	`dondelelcaro, ok, thanks`
`10:47.21`	`Maulkin`	`DevilChaos: What's the problem then?`
`10:48.06`	`DevilChaos`	`when i try to mount the disk after puting a primary partition on there i get the error mesage bad superblock`
`10:48.19`	`DevilChaos`	`could not mount`
`10:48.25`	`Maulkin`	`DevilChaos: tried mkfs?`
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`10:49.05`	`DevilChaos`	`ah`
`10:49.14`	`DevilChaos`	`i got told earlier`
`10:49.29`	`joszi`	`hi`
`10:49.30`	`DevilChaos`	`didnt know that came with dosutils`
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`10:49.53`	`DevilChaos`	`just thought i got dosfsck with what i installed`
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`10:50.17`	`DevilChaos`	`ill check it and see what happons ill get back to you thx`
`10:50.49`	`sdakota`	`dondelelcaro: Thanks :)`
`10:51.40`	`DevilChaos`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:51.41`	`DevilChaos`	`mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005)`
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`10:52.31`	`DevilChaos`	`maulkin: then went to promt i checked in webmin to see if it had updated itself but it hasent still nothing there`
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`10:52.41`	`Maulkin`	`...`
`10:52.44`	`Maulkin`	`webmin...`
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`10:53.16`	`Maulkin`	`1) are your sure it's /dev/hdh`
`10:53.20`	`DevilChaos`	`maulkin: hardware then partition manager`
`10:53.40`	`Maulkin`	`2) Webmin deserves to die`
`10:53.48`	`DevilChaos`	`y?`
`10:53.53`	`DevilChaos`	`lol`
`10:53.54`	`Maulkin`	`3) ... a slow and painful death ...`
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`10:54.02`	`Maulkin`	`4) ... until it's dead-ed`
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`10:54.19`	`daddy_noehl`	`Maulkin: Thanks. Convert hlp for doc`
`10:54.30`	`Maulkin`	`daddy_noehl: Yup.`
`10:54.40`	`Garda`	`is there a channel op for #debian`
`10:54.47`	`Maulkin`	`daddy_noehl: Read this message that dpkg is gonna send you, it;ll help for next time`
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`10:54.58`	`Maulkin`	`!tell daddy_noehl about search`
`10:54.59`	`daddy_noehl`	`Maulkin: bu serve ;-)`
`10:55.09`	`Maulkin`	`Garda: Plenty`
`10:55.27`	`Maulkin`	`Garda: Anything in particular you need help with? :)`
`10:55.27`	`DevilChaos`	`maulkin: what i do now yes it is IDE device H`
`10:55.56`	`Garda`	`irc ettiquete. and i think an experience channel op would be best able to help me`
`10:56.03`	`codex`	`dondelelcaro: no such address..`
`10:56.07`	`blondie`	`lol`
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`10:56.18`	`blondie`	`Garda: this is a debian channel...`
`10:56.32`	`Maulkin`	`Garda: /msg dpkg ops help`
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`10:56.43`	`codex`	`dondelelcaro: oh, it's snapshot.debian.net, nm then`
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`10:57.07`	`daddy_noehl`	`Maulkin: http://debian.ua.pt/debian/pool/main/h/helpdeco/`
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`10:57.39`	`Maulkin`	`DevilChaos: I doubt it. If it IS, it'll be /dev/hdh1 or something`
`10:57.59`	`Maulkin`	`daddy_noehl: ...`
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`11:01.28`	`Skaag`	`anyone remembers the flags to pass to chattr to make a directory noexec?`
`11:01.37`	`DevilChaos`	`maulkin: check #flood plz`
`11:01.45`	`Eclipser`	`!plz`
`11:01.45`	`dpkg`	`well, plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it`
`11:01.58`	`Eclipser`	`DevilChaos, pastebin is generally better than #flood`
`11:02.13`	`Maulkin`	`DevilChaos: You need to tell people you're gonna paste in #flood before you do it ya know`
`11:02.18`	`daddy_noehl`	`Maulkin: Can I convert hlp for chm?`
`11:02.32`	`Maulkin`	`daddy_noehl: chm?`
`11:02.32`	`relic`	`hehe, ack`
`11:02.42`	`Eclipser`	`chm is microsofts html help format`
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`11:03.03`	`Maulkin`	`ahh, ok`
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`11:03.47`	`Maulkin`	`daddy_noehl: xchm`
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`11:05.21`	`DevilChaos`	`maulkin: any ideas?`
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`11:05.42`	`Duelist`	`why can't people just spell out "please"`
`11:05.47`	`Duelist`	`it's only a six letter word`
`11:05.53`	`DevilChaos`	`or do you want me to use pastebin?`
`11:06.02`	`Duelist`	`if you need to abbreviate a six letter word, you're lazy.`
`11:06.08`	`daddy_noehl`	`Maulkin: I no. I want convert hlp for see in chm.`
`11:06.10`	`DevilChaos`	`yup`
`11:06.12`	`Duelist`	`and with that I'm off to bed`
`11:06.26`	`Maulkin`	`DevilChaos: You haven't actually given me any more info.`
`11:06.40`	`Maulkin`	`laters Duelist`
`11:06.40`	`DevilChaos`	`did you read flood?`
`11:06.47`	`Maulkin`	`DevilChaos: no.`
`11:06.59`	`Maulkin`	`DevilChaos: For the reason I said earlier.`
`11:07.02`	`DevilChaos`	`ok ill give you pastebin`
`11:08.07`	`Maulkin`	`daddy_noehl: helpdeco should help. If not, I'm not sure.`
`11:08.41`	`DevilChaos`	`http://pastebin.ca/34845`
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`11:09.26`	`Maulkin`	`DevilChaos: how did you format it?`
`11:10.09`	`DevilChaos`	`i did add primary partition through webmin vfat32 lba win95`
`11:10.18`	`Maulkin`	`...`
`11:10.36`	`Maulkin`	`and did you make the filesystem?`
`11:10.42`	`DevilChaos`	`?`
`11:10.47`	`Maulkin`	`Also known as "format"`
`11:10.54`	`DevilChaos`	`no`
`11:10.59`	`DevilChaos`	`dont thinkso`
`11:11.01`	`Maulkin`	`You'll need to go do that then.`
`11:11.05`	`Maulkin`	`:)`
`11:11.07`	`DevilChaos`	`lol`
`11:11.17`	`Maulkin`	`Like I said: mkfs`
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`11:11.35`	`Maulkin`	`Alsthough I have no idea what webmin will be doing`
`11:12.01`	`DevilChaos`	`yeah i thought it wouldnt do it properly anyway`
`11:12.15`	`daddy_noehl`	`Maulkin: ok`
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`11:12.21`	`Maulkin`	`And IMO, NO web based tool should be creating partitions`
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`11:13.08`	`Maulkin`	`Oh, and I hope you're all going to toddle off to http://www.spi-inc.org/donations for us lot helping you on Chrismas Day :)`
`11:13.15`	`Guerin`	`Maulkin: YO is not wrong.`
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`11:14.32`	`Maulkin`	`Guerin: "YO"?`
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`11:14.57`	`nesys`	`hi folks`
`11:15.03`	`Maulkin`	`hi`
`11:15.18`	`nesys`	`the best partition type? msdos? bsd? or something else?`
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`11:15.37`	`Maulkin`	`nesys: primary.`
`11:15.44`	`nesys`	`I'm searching more infos about expert26 installation`
`11:15.52`	`Maulkin`	`nesys: I assume you're actually talking about filesystems though :)`
`11:16.17`	`Maulkin`	`nesys: It greatly depends on 1) how fast you want the data and 2) how reliable you want the data`
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`11:16.24`	`nesys`	`Maulkin yep ... before partition disks`
`11:16.25`	`Maulkin`	`nesys: even then, there's lots of debate :)`
`11:17.02`	`nesys`	`could you figure it out?`
`11:17.08`	`Maulkin`	`nesys: Also, do you want to share the data with windows?`
`11:17.09`	`Eulex`	`nesys, if you really have to ask, use ext3`
`11:17.16`	`ratm_`	`i cant use the debian netinstall, because it uses an old kernel module for my lan chip which doesnt work, is there a way to compile a new kernel on the debian base system?`
`11:17.24`	`nesys`	`Maulkin no windows here :)`
`11:17.35`	`Eulex`	`ratm_, tried the 2.6 kernel instead of the 2.4 kernel?`
`11:17.40`	`Maulkin`	`nesys: I'd suggest ext3 as Eulex said`
`11:17.56`	`Maulkin`	`nesys: If you have to ask, use ext3 :)`
`11:18.01`	`ratm_`	`Eulex, yes, as far as ive understood it, the drivers are workin in 2.6.14`
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`11:18.30`	`Eulex`	`ratm_, sarge netinst has 2.6.8.`
`11:18.34`	`nesys`	`Maulkin ok, but before I've to choose the partition type ... bsd msdos or others ...`
`11:19.00`	`Maulkin`	`nesys: use 'linux' which I think is option 52`
`11:19.15`	`nesys`	`Maulkin I see msdos requires boot flag active, bsd no`
`11:19.18`	`ratm_`	`Eulex, that doesnt help me either..doesnt it?`
`11:19.18`	`blondie`	`83 I think?`
`11:19.35`	`blondie`	`(linux partition type)`
`11:19.41`	`Maulkin`	`It's something :)`
`11:19.47`	`Eulex`	`ratm_, I dunno. you could try the etch beta netinstall if you're feeling adventurous, or:`
`11:19.50`	`Eulex`	`!custom d-i`
`11:19.50`	`nesys`	`Maulkin I haven't 'linux' on expert mode`
`11:19.50`	`dpkg`	`i heard custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt`
`11:19.55`	`Seb`	`sup yall`
`11:19.58`	`nesys`	`Maulkin maybe :)`
`11:20.09`	`Seb`	`where do I sapecify I want to keep more than 7 rotated syslogs`
`11:20.15`	`Seb`	`i can't find any mention of this file in /etc/logrotate.conf nor in /etc/logrotate.d/*`
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`11:21.01`	`Maulkin`	`Seb: /usr/share/doc/logrotate/ ?`
`11:21.03`	`Seb`	`shall I declare a section for /var/log/syslog myself in /etc/logrotate.conf ? I mean, it keeps 7 for now, where is it getting this default from (global default in /etc/logrotate.conf is 52 for now)`
`11:21.16`	`ratm_`	`Eulex, it think thats way to hard for me :)`
`11:21.30`	`nesys`	`Maulkin the types are: bsd gpt mac dvh msdos pc98 s390 sun amiga loop`
`11:21.53`	`blondie`	`is this the disk label type?`
`11:21.56`	`Seb`	`Maulkin: i'm asking a pretty specific question here: I do know how logrotate works, I want to know how the rotation for /var/log/syslog is handled`
`11:22.20`	`Eulex`	`ratm_, oh, sorry, you did have debian installed already, but with a too old kernel?`
`11:22.29`	`nesys`	`blondie on Partition disks, select the type of partition table to use`
`11:22.36`	`blondie`	`oh TABLE`
`11:22.48`	`nesys`	`blondie yep :) sorry`
`11:23.01`	`blondie`	`if it's i386 choose msdos`
`11:23.01`	`Maulkin`	`Seb: Well, the files in /etc/logrotate.d override /etc/logrotate.conf`
`11:23.08`	`Maulkin`	`Seb: on my box, it's /etc/logrotate.d/syslog-ng`
`11:23.20`	`ratm_`	`Eulex, i had, but then i bought a new board and now the lan chip doesnt work on kernels older than 2.6.14 which means that i cant use the netinstall`
`11:23.37`	`nesys`	`blondie ah ok .. it dipends on platform`
`11:23.41`	`ratm_`	`but i think building a new debian installer is too advanced for me`
`11:23.46`	`daddy_noehl`	`Maulkin: helpdeco is sure. Convert all, including other files associate`
`11:23.48`	`blondie`	`nesys: what CPU do you have?`
`11:24.07`	`Seb`	`Maulkin: but I'm not using syslog-ng :\`
`11:24.13`	`nesys`	`blondie i386 system, athlon sempron`
`11:24.22`	`blondie`	`yeah, msdos then`
`11:24.30`	`nesys`	`thanks :)`
`11:24.35`	`Seb`	`Maulkin: my point is, the global default is 52, no files in logrotate.d/ mention /var/log/syslog, yet only 7 syslogs are kept, how can this be ?`
`11:24.37`	`Eulex`	`ratm_, iirc the netinst doesn't need internet access to install a base syste, -- it contains the base system packages`
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`11:24.50`	`Eulex`	`*system`
`11:24.55`	`nesys`	`blondie when we use bsd? I'm curious :P`
`11:25.19`	`blondie`	`dunno`
`11:25.28`	`blondie`	`BSD partitioning is weird though`
`11:25.54`	`Maulkin`	`Seb: which syslog do you have installed?`
`11:26.02`	`Eulex`	`ratm_, but I might be wrong. you could try getting the first full cd and install, then transfer a 2.6.14 to it (found at for example http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/linux-image-2.6.14-2-686)`
`11:26.12`	`Seb`	`Maulkin: sysklogd it seems`
`11:27.05`	`nesys`	`strange question: have you ever been working with vmware gsx server on debian sarge?`
`11:27.08`	`Maulkin`	`Seb: Ahh, I don't think that uses a logrotate config.`
`11:27.22`	`Maulkin`	`Seb: have a look in /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd`
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`11:28.01`	`Maulkin`	`nesys: I've only used Workstation on Sid. I'd try #vmware if you have a specific problem`
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`11:28.45`	`nesys`	`Maulkin yep .. that's OT here .. thanks`
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`11:30.09`	`Maulkin`	`nesys: yesh, it's not a debian 'thing'`
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`11:30.58`	`Seb`	`Maulkin: you're my savior`
`11:31.03`	`Seb`	`Maulkin: thanks a lot man`
`11:32.11`	`Seb`	`Maulkin: maybe I should upgrade to syslog-ng anyway. In a nutshell any advantages/pitfalls ? :)`
`11:32.29`	`saloxin`	`how do i serve a remote 3.8Gb file to fx mplayer? apache refusesto list or serve it :-/`
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`11:32.52`	`Seb`	`saloxin: recent apache2's dont; have this limitation anymore iirc`
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`11:32.58`	`Seb`	`saloxin: really recent ones`
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`11:33.01`	`laurens_`	`merry christmas everyone! :-)`
`11:33.02`	`Eulex`	`saloxin, before apache 2.2, it couldn't handle files bigger than 2gb`
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`11:33.13`	`laurens_`	`I've just gotten this shiny T43p for christmas`
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`11:33.30`	`laurens_`	`christmas isn't about gifts but i'd much rather have this little black box than a pair of socks`
`11:33.32`	`relic`	`ha ha, it's cheap`
`11:33.35`	`saloxin`	`Seb: hm backporting a receeent build t o sarge then.. will check it out`
`11:33.37`	`relic`	`cheap`
`11:33.47`	`laurens_`	`relic: not in .eu :(`
`11:33.53`	`laurens_`	`then again, it's a us import :P`
`11:34.17`	`relic`	`faked iBM product = hehe`
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`11:34.34`	`laurens_`	`? what ARE you talking about`
`11:34.40`	`Guerin`	`Maulkin: Your Opinion`
`11:34.49`	`daddy_noehl`	`laurens_: live where?`
`11:34.53`	`Guerin`	`Maulkin: come on, get with the program`
`11:34.54`	`laurens_`	`Belgium`
`11:35.00`	`PhoenixMan`	`I need help with vncserver. I installed it using apt-get install vncserver, and I ran apt-get install kde-desktop (or whatever it's called). So basically I have KDE Desktop and vncserver. The problem is, vncserver runs fine when executed as root, and KDE runs. However, when vncserver is ran by a normal user, the KDE Desktop never loads, and I can't do anything on my X Desktop. Right now, I need to perform an action as a normal user, and I`
`11:35.31`	`pabs3`	`I'm bored. what is a good debian game?`
`11:35.33`	`relic`	`I don't touch such as OEM products`
`11:35.45`	`Guerin`	`pabs3: cities.totl.net`
`11:35.46`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, put whatever needs to be executed in ~/.vnc/xstartup`
`11:36.01`	`PhoenixMan`	`That's the problem. I don't know what needs to be executed.`
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`11:36.05`	`Eulex`	`pabs3, blobwars, scorched3d`
`11:36.33`	`PhoenixMan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:36.35`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, you could try deleting it. then it should use the global one, that is obviously used when you run vncserver as root`
`11:37.22`	`Maulkin`	`pabs3: OI! Go do that package!`
`11:37.27`	`PhoenixMan`	`I deleted my .vnc/xstartup file, but that didn't work.`
`11:37.32`	`Maulkin`	`pabs3: or just play tetrinet :)`
`11:38.06`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, the global one is somewhere in /usr/share`
`11:38.06`	`Maulkin`	`:P`
`11:38.20`	`Guerin`	`<hic>`
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`11:38.37`	`Maulkin`	`Seb: Not sure, I just remember getting annoyed by sysklogd and changing to syslog-ng.`
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`11:38.50`	`rendi`	`hi how to compres multiple dir use tar ? i wanna backup of my site`
`11:38.50`	`Maulkin`	`Seb: Probably cause of the logrotate thing :)`
`11:38.54`	`laurens_`	`this channel really needs some christmas decoration`
`11:38.54`	`rendi`	`tar -- ???`
`11:38.58`	`Guerin`	`rendi: man tar`
`11:39.02`	`Maulkin`	`rendi: man tar`
`11:39.08`	`Guerin`	`Maulkin: pwn3d`
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`11:39.17`	`rendi`	`oh man`
`11:39.18`	`laurens_`	~~~~~\___/~`~``~~X~~XxX~``
`11:39.21`	`laurens_`	`and stuff!`
`11:39.24`	`rendi`	`just give the command`
`11:39.25`	`PhoenixMan`	`There's a directory called xsessions here.`
`11:39.29`	`rendi`	`i have to go`
`11:39.32`	`Maulkin`	`rendi: We did.`
`11:39.36`	`Maulkin`	`rendi: "man tar"`
`11:39.40`	`PhoenixMan`	`It contains the files blackbox.desktop and kde.desktop`
`11:39.41`	`laurens_`	`PhoenixMan: open directory`
`11:39.42`	`pabs3`	`bah, gtetrinet is affected by the c2a transition`
`11:39.43`	`Guerin`	`laurens_: _----__--__-beer-___--------___-rum_____---__`
`11:39.55`	`laurens_`	`yo ho ho and a bottle of wodka`
`11:40.00`	`nesys`	`what is the best practice to use on debian sarge some packages from sid?`
`11:40.04`	`PhoenixMan`	`I believe blackbox is loaded upon startup.`
`11:40.07`	`PhoenixMan`	`Instead of KDE.`
`11:40.10`	`rendi`	`to many explanation here`
`11:40.10`	`PhoenixMan`	`I think.`
`11:40.18`	`laurens_`	`nesys: err, don't? ;-)`
`11:40.24`	`PhoenixMan`	`I mean, it IS a black...box.. the mouse displays an X though.`
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`11:40.31`	`laurens_`	`nesys: just get them manually from your favourite host`
`11:40.32`	`PhoneGuy`	`nick OHPhoneGuy`
`11:40.37`	`laurens_`	`and hope it doesn't have siddish dependencies`
`11:40.47`	`Maulkin`	`rendi: have yo tried google?`
`11:40.53`	`laurens_`	`you could also add sid to your sources.list`
`11:41.03`	`laurens_`	`and then apt-get update but NOT!!!! dist-upgrade`
`11:41.11`	`rendi`	`btw thanks for hel i'm join this chn cause i have to go`
`11:41.14`	`laurens_`	`and then just apt-get install somepackage. it will solve depends`
`11:41.18`	`rendi`	`don't have time for read man`
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`11:41.23`	`PhoneGuy`	`apt-get install oracle?`
`11:41.43`	`nesys`	`laurens_ mmm thanks ... and use apt-get with specific version?`
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`11:41.50`	`Guerin`	`PhoneGuy: hahaha`
`11:41.51`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, check for a vnc dir.`
`11:41.52`	`laurens_`	`can i buy a vowel for rendis thing`
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`11:42.22`	`laurens_`	`nesys: no, just apt-get install it will automagically pick the "best" (latest that doesnt conflict with libc6 for example :P)`
`11:42.24`	`Guerin`	`laurens_: you should buy some consonants too`
`11:42.35`	`Guerin`	`though you won't be able to buy them from relic`
`11:42.41`	`Guerin`	`or rendo`
`11:42.47`	`PhoenixMan`	`I found a directory called "vncserver" through the crowd.`
`11:42.48`	`Guerin`	`or even from rendi`
`11:42.50`	`PhoenixMan`	`It's completely empty.`
`11:42.51`	`laurens_`	`G_ F_CK Y__RS_LF ... would you like to buy a vowel? :)`
`11:43.18`	`Guerin`	`laurens_: can I buy an 'i' ?`
`11:43.30`	`PhoneGuy`	`Guerin: I'm serious, however, it's not as simple as I'd like it.`
`11:43.33`	`laurens_`	`Guerin: sure you can, funds accepted through paypal only though`
`11:43.44`	`Maulkin`	`laurens_: Can I take a guess?`
`11:43.50`	`Guerin`	`PhoneGuy: oracle sucks. Don't use it./`
`11:43.57`	`nesys`	`laurens_ ah ok ... the "best" for sarge/sid on my sources.list`
`11:44.05`	`Skaag`	`oracle sucks???? wtf? :-)`
`11:44.06`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, then I dunno`
`11:44.08`	`Skaag`	`lol`
`11:44.10`	`Guerin`	`laurens_: oh. I only do http://fucktards.org/money`
`11:44.10`	`Maulkin`	`laurens_: GI FECK YEORSOLF.`
`11:44.14`	`PhoenixMan`	`When I run vncserver it says "Starting applications specified in /etc/X11/Xsession`
`11:44.16`	`PhoenixMan`	`"`
`11:44.18`	`nesys`	`lol`
`11:44.22`	`Guerin`	`Maulkin: u r teh w1n`
`11:44.28`	`daddy_noehl`	`is better Eclipse or Emcas?`
`11:44.28`	`Maulkin`	`\o/`
`11:44.34`	`Phated`	`Eclipse!`
`11:44.35`	`Maulkin`	`VI!`
`11:44.39`	`Guerin`	`daddy_noehl: emacs > *`
`11:44.40`	`Maulkin`	`Use ed!`
`11:44.45`	`Guerin`	`dunno about emcas`
`11:44.51`	`nesys`	`daddy_noehl joe? :D`
`11:44.51`	`Eulex`	`daddy_noehl, you're comparing apples and oranges`
`11:44.52`	`Maulkin`	`!start an editor war`
`11:44.52`	`dpkg`	`emacs blows`
`11:44.55`	`Guerin`	`eclipse --`
`11:45.12`	`PhoneGuy`	`Guerin: I'm trying to get Compiere up and running....it's either Oracle or Sybase....or bust.`
`11:45.23`	`Guerin`	`if you find something eclipse can do whihc emacs can't, the FSF will give you a million dollars`
`11:45.30`	`nesys`	`Maulkin lol`
`11:45.32`	`Guerin`	`PhoneGuy: you poor sad bastard`
`11:45.47`	`Maulkin`	`ed -g -p is great as a login shell... :)`
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`11:46.09`	`PhoneGuy`	`Guerin: yeah...well, to make matters even worse....my bottle of Jack Daniel's is nearly empty.`
`11:46.19`	`PhoenixMan`	`When I run vncserver it says "Starting applications specified in /etc/X11/Xsession". Is this anything of use?`
`11:47.01`	`Guerin`	`PhoneGuy: you're fucked. Give up now.`
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`11:47.49`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, why not just check the contents of /etc/X11/Xsession then?`
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`11:47.56`	`PhoenixMan`	`I did. It makes no sense.`
`11:48.00`	`PhoenixMan`	`I just checked my log.`
`11:48.11`	`PhoenixMan`	`It says, "Xsession: unable to create X session log/error file; aborting."`
`11:48.23`	`PhoenixMan`	`And "/etc/X11/Xsession: line 18: /dev/null: Permission denied"`
`11:49.19`	`PhoenixMan`	`Uh... where is the error log file normally created?`
`11:49.48`	`Eulex`	`/var/log`
`11:50.00`	`Eulex`	`ah, x session`
`11:50.07`	`Eulex`	`that one is in your home dir`
`11:50.18`	`Eulex`	`~/.xsession-errors`
`11:50.21`	`apt`	`/.xsession-errors is, like, quite common`
`11:50.21`	`daddy_noehl`	`tHen I used Emacs for c/c++ and for Eclipse java`
`11:50.34`	`PhoenixMan`	`Found it`
`11:50.52`	`pabs3`	`is emacs or eclipse more bloated?`
`11:51.00`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, if it can't write to that file, you've messed something up.`
`11:51.02`	`Guerin`	`pabs3: eclipse`
`11:51.12`	`nesys`	`xorg o xfree86 on debian sarge? any advice?`
`11:51.21`	`Eulex`	`nesys, it has xfree86 4.3`
`11:51.26`	`PhoenixMan`	`I deleted the file and tried again.`
`11:51.32`	`PhoenixMan`	`It still is unable to write to it for some reason.`
`11:51.36`	`Guerin`	`pabs3: because emacs, despite its great size, can do anything you will ever want to do with text or code, wherease eclipse can't`
`11:51.41`	`nesys`	`Eulex yep ...but I've tryed etch, and xorg is very good`
`11:51.54`	`Eulex`	`nesys, in most cases you won't feel any difference`
`11:51.57`	`PhoneGuy`	`There is this software called daffodildb`
`11:52.12`	`relic`	`Eulex, hehe`
`11:52.40`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, can you create the file manually with the user?`
`11:53.01`	`PhoenixMan`	`I recreated it and chmodded it to 777 and tried again... it STILL can't write to it??`
`11:53.28`	`saloxin`	`isn't there som script that trails a "make install" and generates a .deb of it?`
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`11:55.26`	`PhoenixMan`	`Okay. I tried creating the file manually and chmodding it to 777 just to be sure; FAILED. Now, I even tried having the file deleted and my directory chmodded to 777, also failed.`
`11:55.32`	`PhoenixMan`	`It makes no sense! Why can't it write?`
`11:56.14`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, I dunno.`
`11:56.49`	`PhoenixMan`	`Is tehre a way to remove every trace of it from the system`
`11:56.54`	`PhoenixMan`	`so I can try to reinstall VNC entirely?`
`11:57.44`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, sudo apt-get --purge pkgname, then rm any .vnc dir that is left`
`11:58.02`	`Eulex`	`umh, apt-get remove --purge pkgname`
`11:58.18`	`PhoenixMan`	`Invalid operation vncserver`
`11:58.27`	`PhoenixMan`	`Oh`
`11:58.32`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, ya, my mistake`
`11:59.25`	`PhoenixMan`	`Okay. I reinstalled it.`
`12:00.00`	`PhoenixMan`	`Nope.`
`12:00.01`	`PhoenixMan`	`It iddn't work.`
`12:00.15`	`PhoenixMan`	`this makes no sense!`
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`12:00.35`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, same error? I'd file a bug report`
`12:00.42`	`PhoenixMan`	`Is there a command or something I need to execute as the normal user?`
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`12:00.55`	`PhoenixMan`	`I tried typing in "gdm" but it wouldn't run as my user.`
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`12:01.14`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, startkde?`
`12:01.20`	`yuacht`	`how can i list all my USB devices?`
`12:01.25`	`Eulex`	`yuacht, lsusb`
`12:01.37`	`PhoenixMan`	`A bunch of errors.`
`12:01.42`	`PhoenixMan`	`Aborting. $DISPLAY is not set.`
`12:01.43`	`PhoenixMan`	`etc.`
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`12:02.41`	`PhoenixMan`	`~/.vnc/xstartup is never executed methinks.`
`12:02.44`	`apt`	`PhoenixMan: okay`
`12:03.38`	`Eulex`	`apt, forget /.vnc/xstartup`
`12:03.38`	`apt`	`i forgot /.vnc/xstartup, Eulex`
`12:03.48`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, ~ triggers the bot apt`
`12:04.09`	`PhoenixMan`	`With ~ I ment /home/phoenixman/`
`12:04.14`	`PhoenixMan`	`So I didn't have to type that.`
`12:04.26`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, is it executable? btw, this might help, even though it's old: http://www.realvnc.com/pipermail/vnc-list/1999-March/005495.html`
`12:04.30`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, I know.`
`12:05.09`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, http://www.grape-info.com/doc/linux/config/vnc-3.3.3r2_x86_linux_2.0.html`
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`12:05.50`	`PhoenixMan`	`Hey... it didn't do that.`
`12:05.57`	`PhoenixMan`	`It's starting the applications specified int he global one.`
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`12:06.10`	`PhoenixMan`	`Should I change it?`
`12:06.29`	`pabs3`	`damn crap nvidia drivers`
`12:06.32`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, http://www.skullbox.net/vncserver.php`
`12:06.56`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, well, is ~/.vnc/xstartup executable?`
`12:07.03`	`PhoenixMan`	`Uh... no..`
`12:07.05`	`PhoenixMan`	`:D`
`12:07.47`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, it needs to be. first line should be #!/bin/sh and then chmod +x it.`
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`12:08.19`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, anyway, that last link told about where the global file is stored: /etc/vnc/xstartup`
`12:08.52`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, but it doesn't exist here. probably applies to another distro/version of vncserver`
`12:09.11`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, you could check out /etc/vnc.conf, though`
`12:09.52`	`PhoenixMan`	`W0)T`
`12:09.54`	`PhoenixMan`	`It works!!`
`12:10.02`	`PhoenixMan`	`Initializing pheripals.`
`12:10.07`	`Eulex`	`heh, ok`
`12:10.11`	`PhoenixMan`	`pherls. Pherals. Arfggh.`
`12:10.20`	`PhoenixMan`	`Whoo-hoo!`
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`12:14.51`	`PhoenixMan`	`Great. Now WINE is backing up.`
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`12:19.23`	`laurens_`	`peripals`
`12:19.31`	`laurens_`	`friends that guard the permimeter edge? :-)`
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`12:21.52`	`PhoenixMan`	`Uh`
`12:22.08`	`PhoenixMan`	`Appearantly normal users may not run Konsole; they don't have access to the fonts or something. Where are the fonts located?`
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`12:23.05`	`paulswm`	`heh laurens_`
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`12:25.05`	`Tortel`	`its quiet today`
`12:25.08`	`Tortel`	`I like it`
`12:25.10`	`Tortel`	`:)`
`12:25.12`	`PhoenixMan`	`:(`
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`12:25.38`	`Tortel`	`i cant wait til i get my creative microphoto`
`12:25.41`	`Tortel`	`:D`
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`12:27.05`	`D-N-A`	`hay guys can apt-get doom3`
`12:27.11`	`D-N-A`	`is that possible ?`
`12:27.20`	`Eclipser`	`no?`
`12:27.33`	`D-N-A`	`:(`
`12:27.40`	`D-N-A`	`how can i download it`
`12:27.44`	`D-N-A`	`is it opensource`
`12:27.46`	`Eclipser`	`you need to buy it`
`12:27.46`	`D-N-A`	`or not`
`12:27.51`	`D-N-A`	`buys it`
`12:27.58`	`D-N-A`	`quake is free ?`
`12:28.25`	`Tortel`	`like quake 1-2`
`12:28.31`	`pabs3`	`D-N-A: quake 3 is`
`12:28.33`	`Eclipser`	`quake2 sources at least have been released but the resources are not free (you need a copy of the game to actually play it)`
`12:28.34`	`PhoenixMan`	`WINE is unable to find the xmessage program. kdecore can't open a pseudo teletype and says "Uh oh.. can't write data.."`
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`12:31.33`	`yuacht`	`i have this mp3-player, and it appears in /media when i plug it in. but i want to remount it with writing permission (it's currently read-only) how can i find out what it's called in /dev/ so i can do it?`
`12:31.52`	`Eulex`	`65trgfvc`
`12:31.54`	`Eclipser`	`yuacht, dmesg`
`12:31.54`	`cahoot`	`yuacht: try dmesg`
`12:32.00`	`Eulex`	`yuacht, fdisk -l`
`12:32.11`	`Eulex`	`lobico, please turn that off.`
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`12:33.09`	`lobico`	`ok sorry`
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`12:33.36`	`Eclipser`	`hmm`
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`12:34.17`	`Eclipser`	`I do have mp3 player but it's working fine so I'm just wondering if it'd be possible to mount and umount it automatically? :)`
`12:34.41`	`Eulex`	`Eclipser, yes and no`
`12:34.49`	`Eclipser`	`mmh?`
`12:35.13`	`Eulex`	`Eclipser, it's possible to mount it automatically, but not to umount it automatically`
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`12:35.30`	`PhoenixMan`	`On my X Desktop, when running as any user beside root, Konsole displays an error: Font '-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1' not found."`
`12:35.41`	`Eclipser`	`that kind of sucks`
`12:36.07`	`Eulex`	`Eclipser, it's not possible in windows either.`
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`12:36.41`	`Eclipser`	`Eulex, well I'm not sure what windows really does when I unplug my mp3 player :)`
`12:36.51`	`cahoot`	`crosses fingers`
`12:37.21`	`Eulex`	`Eclipser, if you don't "remove the hardware safely", you're risking fs corruption. same thing on linux if you don't umount it.`
`12:37.32`	`Eclipser`	`aha`
`12:38.08`	`Eclipser`	`the mp3 player should have some sort of detection for that`
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`12:38.11`	`Tortel`	`and fs corruption on an mp3 player=its OS fried`
`12:38.14`	`PhoenixMan`	`uh`
`12:38.16`	`PhoenixMan`	`On my X Desktop, when running as any user beside root, Konsole displays an error: Font '-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1' not found."`
`12:38.40`	`Tortel`	`install more fonts?`
`12:38.57`	`PhoenixMan`	`How? I already tried installing xfonts-konsole`
`12:39.22`	`Eulex`	`PhoenixMan, try #kde`
`12:40.24`	`Eclipser`	`meh, I need like a 10 port USB hub...`
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`12:44.09`	`Omnix`	`PhoenixMan: you have x-window-system-core installed, don't you?`
`12:45.44`	`DutchFish`	`How to change the default console for a new user added with useradd?`
`12:47.01`	`petemc`	`vipw`
`12:47.26`	`petemc`	`adduser > useradd`
`12:48.35`	`DutchFish`	`wha i want is /bin/ftp instead of /bin/bash`
`12:48.43`	`DutchFish`	`as deafult`
`12:49.32`	`petemc`	`DutchFish: you sure?`
`12:50.38`	`DutchFish`	`petemc, yes all normal users are there in will never change but only a lot of ftp users are needed and changed regularly`
`12:51.10`	`DutchFish`	`petemc, and i can always override it manually, is it?`
`12:51.34`	`nesys`	`the best way to use qmail instead of exim4? how could NOT install exim4?`
`12:51.41`	`DutchFish`	`petemc, all users need there ftp chrooted home dir`
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`12:52.30`	`DutchFish`	`nesys, you install qmail-src first and later remove the default mta exim4, there worked for me`
`12:52.31`	`PhoenixMan`	`#kde don't respond`
`12:52.56`	`Eulex`	`DutchFish, umh... they login to just get the ability to ftp?`
`12:53.10`	`DutchFish`	`Eulex, that my goal yep`
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`12:53.22`	`nesys`	`DutchFish I hope netqmail too, instead of qmail-src`
`12:54.01`	`nesys`	`from sources`
`12:54.01`	`DutchFish`	`nesys, better go by the live with qmail howto...`
`12:54.02`	`petemc`	`better yet, use exim4 instead of qmail`
`12:54.14`	`nesys`	`remove exim4: apt-get remove exim4 ... or others dep?`
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`12:54.35`	`DutchFish`	`petemc, qmail has much less overhead and has proven itself over several years now`
`12:54.42`	`petemc`	`DutchFish: bullshit`
`12:54.47`	`paulswm`	`DutchFish: Set the ftp users shell to /bin/flas, and add /bin/false to the list of shells in /etc/shells, then they'll be able to ftp in but not log in`
`12:55.07`	`paulswm`	`/bin/false I mean`
`12:55.08`	`nesys`	`DutchFish I agree`
`12:55.09`	`DutchFish`	`paulswm, that was not my q`
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`12:55.42`	`paulswm`	`DutchFish: OK`
`12:56.09`	`DutchFish`	`paulswm, i need sftp and ftps also thats why i asked`
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`12:56.24`	`daddy_noehl`	`bay bay, person`
`12:56.30`	`daddy_noehl`	`happy christimas`
`12:56.48`	`paulswm`	`DutchFish: I see what you mean, you want them to be able to ftp out, not ftp in, my mistake`
`12:57.06`	`DutchFish`	`paulswm, you got the picture`
`12:57.49`	`petemc`	`which ftp client also doubles as a login shell?`
`12:58.00`	`DutchFish`	`paulswm, how to edit the default shel?`
`12:58.39`	`paulswm`	`DutchFish: You can write your own shell to give them just those two commands, but you want to be sure that it doesn't allow any escapes - unfortunately, ftp does even, if you are in ftp you can still escape with '!' to run a command`
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`12:58.50`	`galois`	`does courier-imap work off unix passwords?`
`12:59.18`	`bizkit`	`galois: yes, have a look on courier-authdaemon and pam`
`12:59.20`	`paulswm`	`DutchFish: usermod`
`12:59.25`	`galois`	`bizkit: thanks`
`12:59.40`	`DutchFish`	`paulswm, thats why i want a /bin/ftp shel wich enables the ftp trhough a script if it is a trusted ftp-user`
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`13:00.51`	`DutchFish`	`paulswm, but i couldnt figure out how to tweak the deault shell when a user is added with adduser`
`13:01.06`	`galois`	`bizkit: how long shoudl it take for a passwd change to propogate to courier-imap? instant?`
`13:01.17`	`paulswm`	`DutchFish: man usermod`
`13:01.49`	`stew`	`galois: instant`
`13:01.50`	`DutchFish`	`paulswm, i know how to change a users shell, but that was not my question, i want to change the default shell for i new user`
`13:01.58`	`paulswm`	`DutchFish: Or, when adding the user you can set the shell with the -s option IIRC`
`13:02.06`	`galois`	`stew: bugger - means there is a bigger problem :)`
`13:02.08`	`stew`	`DutchFish: /etc/adduser.conf`
`13:02.22`	`DutchFish`	`stew, a big thx :)`
`13:02.41`	`DutchFish`	`stew, i didnt realise it was this simple`
`13:02.45`	`stew`	`galois: add "DEBUG_LOGIN=1" to /etc/courier/imapd and restart imap and authdaemon`
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`13:03.34`	`galois`	`stew: thanks`
`13:03.57`	`bizkit`	`galois: yes, you should tell courier-authdaemon to use pam, which will read out your unix passwords, e.g. shadow. there is no caching, passwd change takes effect immediately`
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`13:04.21`	`DutchFish`	`nesys, i still love qmail on the 2nd place postfix, regarding to security and performance`
`13:04.23`	`stew`	`galois: wait, what auth methods are you trying to use? LOGIN? PLAIN? CRAM?`
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`13:04.46`	`nesys`	`DutchFish for me, only qmail`
`13:05.09`	`galois`	`etc/init.d/courier-imap: line 100: -: command not found`
`13:05.14`	`galois`	`is a bit worrying`
`13:05.30`	`nesys`	`DutchFish and dovecot for imap service`
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`13:05.38`	`stew`	`galois: what is on line 100?`
`13:05.43`	`DutchFish`	`nesys, on sarge qmail is easy to install from source (almost totally gided by a script) except for some qmail-patches for extra options`
`13:05.51`	`bizkit`	`galois: did you edit the file? for what?`
`13:05.57`	`galois`	`stew: pass, where do I look`
`13:06.02`	`galois`	`bizkit: nope`
`13:06.06`	`nesys`	`DutchFish I think I'll install netqmail from sources`
`13:06.24`	`stew`	`galois: look on line 100 or /etc/init.d/courier-imap`
`13:06.55`	`DutchFish`	`nesys, i am curieus why you choose netqmail`
`13:07.12`	`galois`	`stew: according to nano there are only 86 lines`
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`13:07.25`	`stew`	`galois: then line 100 or /etc/courier/imapd`
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`13:07.41`	`nulltix`	`hi`
`13:07.51`	`nulltix`	`i need help setting up network`
`13:07.55`	`nulltix`	`i have USB`
`13:07.57`	`nulltix`	`dsl`
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`13:08.25`	`nulltix`	`anyone ?`
`13:08.38`	`Mortis`	`Hi all! Look at http://www.muzyka.oz.pl :)`
`13:08.59`	`nulltix`	`aint even english`
`13:09.06`	`DutchFish`	`nesys, do you want to implement tls + auth patch in netqmail?`
`13:09.18`	`nulltix`	`nah`
`13:09.20`	`nulltix`	`why`
`13:09.38`	`Eulex`	`!tell nulltix about enter`
`13:10.02`	`bizkit`	`nulltix: you have problems with english? what's your native language? there are lots of language specific debian chans on this net`
`13:11.31`	`teclo-`	`Hello. I am trying to install woody from the 2.2.x rescue.bin and root.bin. I boot on rescue.bin, and when it says "VFS: Insert root floppy and press ENTER", I insert the root floppy and press ENTER. Then it says "apm: BIOS not found" then it says "Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root". uhhh any ideas ? (Yes, woody with a 2.2.x kernel is obsolete, but the machine is old and doesn't have much RAM)`
`13:11.31`	`Eulex`	`teclo-, repeat your question when the netsplit is over.`
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`13:11.31`	`teclo-`	`heh`
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`13:11.32`	`DutchFish`	`nesys, http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2003-11/0267.html`
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`13:12.40`	`nulltix`	`i need help setting up network..... and im using dsl d-link320G modem with USB`
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`13:13.19`	`nulltix`	`?`
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`13:22.49`	`Korpx`	`can anyone help me ?`
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`13:23.47`	`Korpx`	`can anyone help me ?`
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`13:24.19`	`vosti`	`Korpx, don't ask to ask, just ask`
`13:24.37`	`Korpx`	`i did..`
`13:24.37`	`Korpx`	`i need help setting up network..... and im using dsl d-link320G modem with USB`
`13:25.03`	`Korpx`	`?`
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`13:25.11`	`vosti`	`Korpx, modem is configured properly?`
`13:25.17`	`Korpx`	`ya`
`13:25.59`	`Korpx`	`?`
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`13:26.43`	`vosti`	`Korpx, so just configure /etc/network/interfaces`
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`13:27.27`	`Korpx`	`sorry but i am new to linux my frist time... so what do i do ?`
`13:27.32`	`Korpx`	`last time they were asking me about my chipset model... i have it now`
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`13:28.51`	`vosti`	`Korpx, add iface ethX inet static and then addresses`
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`13:28.52`	`galois`	`what is teh command to reinstall a package? dpkg-reconfigure xxxx?`
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`13:28.52`	`Eulex`	`vosti, how is the modem connected to the computer? usb?`
`13:28.52`	`Korpx`	`what part of "i never used linux beofre didnt you understand"... i dont know anything about nix`
`13:28.52`	`Korpx`	`yes`
`13:28.52`	`streuner`	`galois: apt-get install --reinstall <package>`
`13:28.54`	`Eulex`	`galois, apt-get --reinstall install pkgname`
`13:28.54`	`Korpx`	`usb`
`13:28.55`	`vosti`	`Eulex, ask Korpx :)`
`13:29.08`	`Eulex`	`vosti, ah, sry`
`13:29.13`	`Korpx`	`hi Eulex maybe u be able to help ?`
`13:29.16`	`galois`	`streuner, Eulex: many thanks, my mind is blown at the moment - heavy cold`
`13:29.28`	`Eulex`	`galois, you're not alone`
`13:29.29`	`vosti`	`Eulex, np :)`
`13:29.39`	`streuner`	`galois: get some Vitamine C`
`13:29.57`	`galois`	`streuner: on oranges and nasty foul gunk at the moment`
`13:30.04`	`galois`	`the gunk is great but tastes awful`
`13:30.17`	`Korpx`	`...`
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`13:32.21`	`Eulex`	`kriptic, resources on that modem seems to be very scarce on the internet. it's not possible to connect the modem to the computer using ethernet instead of usb? that would simplify things immensively`
`13:32.52`	`kriptic`	`i dont understand im using d-link dsl modem via USB`
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`13:33.33`	`Eulex`	`kriptic, the only way to connect the modem to your computer is via usb?`
`13:33.41`	`kriptic`	`bro`
`13:34.03`	`kriptic`	`wtf u on about.... i said my on XP now.. but i cant setup netowork on nix`
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`13:34.39`	`kriptic`	`i dsl D-LINK320G... modem and i cant set it up thats why im here.`
`13:35.00`	`Eulex`	`kriptic, well, you won't get any help if you won't cooperate...`
`13:35.14`	`kriptic`	`i am`
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`13:40.49`	`kriptic`	`?`
`13:40.52`	`grumbel`	`does anybody know how to match special characters with egrep, I am searching for a way to match 033 aka Esc character?`
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`13:41.25`	`abrotman`	`grumbel: the man page doesn't mention it at all ?`
`13:41.54`	`grumbel`	`maybe it does somewhere, if it does I havn't found it yet`
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`13:43.57`	`vivid`	`so now that ive added backports.org to my sources.list, what do i apt-get install for x.org`
`13:44.31`	`Frosted`	`grumbel, tried /e ?`
`13:44.38`	`Frosted`	`\e`
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`13:44.57`	`grumbel`	`yes, doesn't work`
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`13:45.37`	`Frosted`	`cat -A on the file with that char might help`
`13:45.39`	`Elly\|irssi`	`hey guys`
`13:45.41`	`Elly\|irssi`	`I just got a new USB keyboard and mouse`
`13:45.42`	`abrotman`	`grumbel: might get a better answer in #bash`
`13:45.47`	`Elly\|irssi`	`how do I make X see them?`
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`13:45.51`	`abrotman`	`!usbmouse`
`13:45.51`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary.`
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`13:46.04`	`Elly\|irssi`	`I mean, what should xorg.conf look like and/or do I need ohci?`
`13:46.07`	`Elly\|irssi`	`ah`
`13:46.19`	`goccia`	`haaa this x11tightvnc rocks !!! : 30 seconds to geti it up and running`
`13:46.30`	`goccia`	`can't believe it`
`13:46.46`	`Frosted`	`That's right goccia this is all a dream!`
`13:47.07`	`goccia`	`Frosted: yes ! unbelievable !!!`
`13:47.11`	`Frosted`	`:P`
`13:47.16`	`petemc`	`freenx is equally easy to get going`
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`13:48.09`	`intx`	`could someone running a linux 2.4 kernel with nat modules do a ls -R -l in their /lib/modules/<kernel> directory for me? I'm trying to make sure my system hasn't been compromised.`
`13:48.10`	`goccia`	`spooky reading this chan on a crappy xp screen !`
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`13:49.03`	`Elly\|irssi`	`sigh`
`13:49.04`	`abrotman`	`Elly\|irssi: no ?`
`13:49.06`	`Elly\|irssi`	`can't talk to dpkg when outside the channel`
`13:49.08`	`Elly\|irssi`	`heh`
`13:49.10`	`abrotman`	`Elly\|irssi: what device is xorg using ?`
`13:49.12`	`Elly\|irssi`	`and can't copy/paste the instructions`
`13:49.16`	`Elly\|irssi`	`I haven't even tried it yet :P`
`13:49.18`	`intx`	`file system modification dates can be forged, right?`
`13:49.20`	`abrotman`	`Elly\|irssi: you can use #debian-bots`
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`13:49.32`	`abrotman`	`!tell Elly\|irssi about usbmouse`
`13:49.39`	`abrotman`	`!tell Elly\|irssi about usb mouse`
`13:49.52`	`Frosted`	`intx, hm, I suggest you compare it to /usr/src/linux/drivers[net,sound,fs,etc] from your sourcecode`
`13:50.06`	`abrotman`	`!tell Elly\|irssi about 2.6 mouse`
`13:50.11`	`abrotman`	`Elly\|irssi: better ?`
`13:50.18`	`Elly\|irssi`	`yeah`
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`13:51.52`	`zimnyx`	`I've just downloaded application binary, it misses library.so.0, but debian provides library.so.3 , can i symlink? i've been googling for half an hour to find some solution but failed...`
`13:52.16`	`Moeen`	`zimnyx, take a try !`
`13:52.36`	`Eulex`	`zimnyx, exactly what library? and what binary?`
`13:52.54`	`Moeen`	`zimnyx, sometimes just make a symlink solve all the problems (may you need to make more than one symlink ;) )`
`13:52.56`	`DutchFish`	`zimnyx, what Debian version?`
`13:53.01`	`intx`	`how do I execute a command (md5sum) on every file found using 'find'?`
`13:53.01`	`zimnyx`	`Eulex: etch`
`13:53.10`	`zimnyx`	`wait, i;ll gather info`
`13:53.21`	`Eulex`	`intx, check out xargs`
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`13:53.58`	`absolutzero`	`whoot! I got exim4 sending and recieving mail!`
`13:54.36`	`zimnyx`	`Debian Etch, mysql-workbench-1.0.0-alpha-linux-i386.tar.gz, ldd mysql-workbench-bin => libpcre.so.0 => not found.`
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`13:55.22`	`Elly\|irssi`	`x.org says 'cannot open /dev/input/mice: no such device'`
`13:55.36`	`zimnyx`	`Elly\|irssi: plug the mouse`
`13:55.50`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, what version of debian?`
`13:55.52`	`Elly\|irssi`	`unplug & replug it?`
`13:55.57`	`Elly\|irssi`	`Eulex: etch?`
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`13:56.29`	`absolutzero`	`alos may have to run reconfig. the mouse may not be sitting on that device in some other config file. I had that problem`
`13:56.30`	`Elly\|irssi`	`so uhh, I should unplug and replug it? I installed hotplug`
`13:56.36`	`Elly\|irssi`	`okay well`
`13:56.38`	`Elly\|irssi`	`I'll try stuff`
`13:56.43`	`sdakota`	`Elly\|irssi: plug in another mouse and see if it works then`
`13:56.46`	`sdakota`	`:/`
`13:56.49`	`intx`	`Eulex thanks`
`13:56.52`	`Eulex`	`zimnyx, sigh`
`13:56.59`	`Eulex`	`inteq, yw`
`13:57.11`	`Eulex`	`umh, zimnyx, that was not directed at you`
`13:57.20`	`absolutzero`	`if someone would please send an e-mail to absolutzero@thechaos.thebs.org`
`13:57.24`	`absolutzero`	`oops`
`13:57.25`	`Eulex`	`zimnyx, sorry, was for Elly`
`13:57.33`	`absolutzero`	`absolutzero@thechaos.thebbs.org`
`13:57.40`	`Eulex`	`absolutzero, sure`
`13:57.53`	`absolutzero`	`want to make sure I am sending and recievong correctly`
`13:57.57`	`zimnyx`	`Eulex: why not? i told you to plug the mouse:)`
`13:58.13`	`absolutzero`	`I am trying to set up a small public access linux system`
`13:58.32`	`absolutzero`	`may even allow a small number of users remote access to X11`
`13:58.43`	`absolutzero`	`brb`
`13:58.45`	`Eulex`	`zimnyx, it was Elly\|irssi that had problemd with his mouse...`
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`13:59.22`	`zimnyx`	`yeah, i misstook your nick..`
`13:59.51`	`abrotman`	`Eulex: just plug in the mouse damn nit!`
`14:00.48`	`Eulex`	`!smite abrotman`
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`14:01.27`	`absolutzero`	`let me know if you got my reply`
`14:02.35`	`Eulex`	`absolutzero, not yet at least. you could check your exim log, though.`
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`14:04.35`	`teclo`	`Hello... I am trying to install woody from the 2.2.20 rescue.bin. (Yes, woody and 2.2.x kernels are old, but it's a 386SX with 10 MB of RAM). When it says "VFS: Insert root floppy disk to be loaded into RAM disk and press ENTER", I insert the root.bin floppy and I press ENTER. Then it says: "end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 0" Then it says "apm: BIOS not found" then it says "VFS: Insert root floppy and press ENTER" I press ENT`
`14:04.37`	`teclo`	`ER and it says "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 02:00" ... any ideas ?`
`14:05.00`	`absolutzero`	`lol, new server already blacklisted`
`14:05.18`	`absolutzero`	`your host rejected my reply`
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`14:05.53`	`Elly\|irssi`	`no good :(`
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`14:06.33`	`Elly\|irssi`	`it's still not happy`
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`14:07.24`	`theD3viL-`	`Apollon works from official site?`
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`14:09.14`	`abrotman`	`you know .. if the idiot would stick around for more than 20 seconds .. they might get help!`
`14:09.15`	`abrotman`	`grrrrrrrrrr`
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`14:09.32`	`kriptic`	`right`
`14:09.35`	`abrotman`	`teclo: bad floppy`
`14:09.39`	`kriptic`	`i been here for 2 hours`
`14:09.44`	`kriptic`	`aint nobody helping`
`14:09.51`	`teclo`	`abrotman: already tried with three different floppies :/`
`14:09.52`	`nesys`	`I know, this is not a specific debian problem .. but maybe someone could help me: http://pastebin.com/478302`
`14:10.02`	`absolutzero`	`aha.... says I am an open relay server, but if I don't allow relay MY server rejects mail...`
`14:10.18`	`abrotman`	`nesys: did you ask #vmware ?`
`14:10.39`	`abrotman`	`nesys: and /msg dpkg search .. try to find the .so it's looking for`
`14:10.45`	`Eulex`	`teclo, install libc5?`
`14:11.14`	`teclo`	`Eulex: well the root disk hasnt been loaded yet, what do you mean with libc5 ?`
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`14:11.21`	`Elly\|irssi`	`Well shit.`
`14:11.25`	`abrotman`	`shoot!`
`14:11.25`	`absolutzero`	`alright gonna get rid of my "allowed relayed host"`
`14:11.29`	`Elly\|irssi`	`Now when I try X -configure I get "Missing output drivers, startup failed"`
`14:11.29`	`Elly\|irssi`	`:(`
`14:11.35`	`Elly\|irssi`	`and my mouse/keyboard still don't work`
`14:11.36`	`abrotman`	`!drxx Elly\|irssi`
`14:11.36`	`dpkg`	`Elly\|irssi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
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`14:11.44`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, don't do that`
`14:11.47`	`nesys`	`abrotman I've already on my system these libs .. I don't understand what vmware search ... :( #vmware today is "out" :P`
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`14:12.05`	`abrotman`	`nesys: libXpm.so.4 => not found ???????`
`14:12.13`	`qwerty_`	`Is this the correct apt source for unstable non-free? deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free`
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`14:12.21`	`Elly\|irssi`	`dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed`
`14:12.23`	`Elly\|irssi`	`goody :D`
`14:12.31`	`abrotman`	`what did you do to your computer ?`
`14:13.07`	`abrotman`	`qwerty_: non-us is dead`
`14:13.20`	`abrotman`	`!tell qwerty_ about non-free`
`14:13.50`	`absolutzero`	`okay`
`14:13.54`	`absolutzero`	`brb`
`14:13.54`	`abrotman`	`teclo: i've done a bunch of woody installs via floppy .. that's usually the error i got when the floppy is pooped`
`14:14.17`	`qwerty_`	`abrotman thanks.`
`14:14.36`	`nesys`	`abrotman wait`
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`14:14.46`	`Malagmyr`	`teclo: So have I. And I've gone through about 10 floppies each time. They're old and they don't work too well.`
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`14:15.06`	`abrotman`	`nesys: wait wait .. i never had a chance to love you`
`14:15.16`	`abrotman`	`erm ..`
`14:15.26`	`abrotman`	`White Lion ... it's a song!`
`14:15.38`	`Grant_`	`Is sarge stable?`
`14:15.45`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`14:16.02`	`Grant_`	`IUs there a netinstal for sarge?`
`14:16.10`	`Eulex`	`Grant_, yes`
`14:16.13`	`abrotman`	`!d-i Grant_`
`14:16.13`	`dpkg`	`Grant_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.`
`14:16.22`	`abrotman`	`nesys: did you find your package ?`
`14:16.28`	`nesys`	`abrotman http://pastebin.com/478311`
`14:16.33`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, you've b0rked something. could you try apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xfree86?`
`14:16.45`	`abrotman`	`nesys: i already told you it was missing :)`
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`14:16.53`	`abrotman`	`!tell nesys about find libXpm.so.4 sarge`
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`14:18.11`	`nesys`	`abrotman tnx :) but why vmware says "not found" for all libs, and, as you see, I've all libs except libXpm.so.4?`
`14:18.28`	`abrotman`	`nesys: libxpm4 .. install it .. try again`
`14:19.14`	`nesys`	`yep installed`
`14:19.18`	`nesys`	`I've all on /usr/X11R6/lib/`
`14:19.25`	`abrotman`	`your find / didn't find it`
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`14:20.11`	`Elly\|irssi`	`alright, I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
`14:20.18`	`Elly\|irssi`	`and it took me through all the reconfiguration and stuff`
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`14:20.31`	`Elly\|irssi`	`so now my USB mouse cursor sometimes moves when I move it`
`14:20.34`	`Elly\|irssi`	`but it's VERY slow`
`14:20.39`	`Elly\|irssi`	`and gdm never shows up`
`14:20.43`	`Elly\|irssi`	`suggestions?`
`14:20.55`	`SimonRaven`	`wrong protocol?`
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`14:21.23`	`nesys`	`abrotman tnx :) it works`
`14:21.31`	`abrotman`	`yay`
`14:21.35`	`nesys`	`question: What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running`
`14:21.35`	`nesys`	`kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]`
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`14:21.50`	`nesys`	`what I've to do? install kernel headers?`
`14:22.14`	`Eulex`	nesys, /usr/src/`uname -r`/include -- and yes, install the kernel headers for your kernel.
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`14:22.27`	`Eulex`	`nesys, umh, wait`
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`14:22.33`	`mahangu_`	`is the gaim2 deb in the debian repos?`
`14:22.54`	`Eulex`	`mahangu_, no`
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`14:23.09`	`nesys`	`Eulex tnx :) my /usr/src is empty`
`14:23.13`	`teclo-`	`ouch`
`14:23.19`	`teclo-`	`it's the fifth disk I'm writing to`
`14:23.23`	`teclo-`	`and I'm still getting errors`
`14:23.27`	`Elly\|irssi`	`SimonRaven: I've tried ExplorerPS/2 and InPS/2`
`14:23.29`	`Elly\|irssi`	`neither of them are happy`
`14:23.33`	`nesys`	`Eulex my mind as well :P`
`14:23.34`	`Elly\|irssi`	`it's a Microsoft basic USB mouse`
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`14:23.57`	`abrotman`	`!info gaim sid`
`14:24.03`	`dpkg`	`gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.0+1.5.1cvs20051015-1 (sid), Packaged size: 831 kB, Installed size: 2036 kB`
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`14:24.17`	`Elly\|irssi`	`so uhh`
`14:24.22`	`Elly\|irssi`	`any other suggestions guys?`
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`14:24.24`	`jsn`	`I compiled my own kernel with make-kpkg. I install and it hangs with "GET mkvmlinuz/bootloaders" (powerpc, btw). I try to remove and it has no archive. I try to dpkg -r and the same. I try " dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -r linux-image-2.6.1" and I get the same.`
`14:24.39`	`abrotman`	`!ppc`
`14:24.39`	`dpkg`	`from memory, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer`
`14:25.07`	`asuffield`	`powerpc's nice so long as it's not an apple. fuck those things were nasty`
`14:25.35`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`14:25.49`	`jsn`	`This is the sweetest box. I don't know what _planet_ you come from, but the screen is gorgeous. The colors are great. The box is attractive, and what more do I need?`
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`14:25.57`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`greetings`
`14:26.09`	`asuffield`	`the cpu's okay, but the rest of the system is gross. it's like a giant purple blancmange`
`14:26.33`	`asuffield`	`and spare parts cost a fortune`
`14:26.36`	`jsn`	`this is the tibook iv`
`14:26.45`	`jsn`	`I replaced the wire to the screen for $30`
`14:26.47`	`Elly\|irssi`	`abrotman: any other ideas?`
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`14:27.04`	`asuffield`	`$30 for a bit of wire, hah!`
`14:27.17`	`abrotman`	`Elly\|irssi: any errors from your X log ?`
`14:27.20`	`asuffield`	`precisely my point`
`14:27.40`	`abrotman`	`apple sucks!`
`14:27.43`	`lefti`	`HI, How to configure ipv6 and inet dhcp on same device in /etc/network/interfaces in debian unstable?`
`14:27.45`	`Elly\|irssi`	`failed to load module 'synaptics' (that's my touchpad device)`
`14:27.49`	`Elly\|irssi`	`that's the only error`
`14:27.51`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`have an amd64 system, if I try to compile a kernel with make - everything goes just fine, however make-kpkg errors out with "/bin/sh: x86_64-linux-gnu-ld: command not found`
`14:28.06`	`asuffield`	`apple prices suck`
`14:28.08`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`I searched the package archives - can't find such a file in the contents`
`14:28.13`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`any ideas?`
`14:28.27`	`abrotman`	`\|RABBIT\|: did you try apt-file ?`
`14:28.56`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`um... don't have it`
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`14:29.02`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`which package does it come with?`
`14:29.04`	`Phated`	`So... install it?`
`14:29.24`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`nevermind that`
`14:29.27`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`stupid question :)`
`14:29.27`	`abrotman`	`\|RABBIT\|: it is a package`
`14:29.33`	`abrotman`	`!apt-file`
`14:29.33`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename`
`14:29.36`	`Phated`	`Oddly enough, apt-file? :)`
`14:30.06`	`abrotman`	`X log`
`14:30.09`	`Elly\|irssi`	`I looked`
`14:30.14`	`abrotman`	`no EE or WW lines ?`
`14:30.17`	`Elly\|irssi`	`only error is 'can't load module synaptics' and that's my touchpad`
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`14:30.55`	`Elly\|irssi`	`warnings are 'couldn't load module synaptics', 'hsync range outside of DDC ranges', ditto for vrefresh`
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`14:31.09`	`abrotman`	`Elly\|irssi: what mouse device did you pick ?`
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`14:31.41`	`Elly\|irssi`	`/dev/input/mice`
`14:31.58`	`Elly\|irssi`	`that doesn't address the question of why my screen is blank oO`
`14:32.05`	`cal`	`how do I get a full listing of install packages from dpkg (needs to be more verbose than -l)`
`14:32.28`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, what gfx drivers did you choose and what gfx card do you own?`
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`14:32.52`	`abrotman`	`!tell cal about debian clone`
`14:32.53`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, wait, you said you could see the mouse moving? on a black and white background?`
`14:32.57`	`Elly\|irssi`	`yep`
`14:32.59`	`Elly\|irssi`	`but nothing else`
`14:33.11`	`Elly\|irssi`	`and I believe this laptop posesses an i810`
`14:33.19`	`Elly\|irssi`	`well..."moving"`
`14:33.20`	`Elly\|irssi`	`sort of`
`14:33.23`	`Elly\|irssi`	`only occasionally`
`14:33.29`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, you've got X running, but you haven't got any window manager or desktop environment`
`14:33.34`	`Elly\|irssi`	`I started gdm`
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`14:33.40`	`Elly\|irssi`	`I typed 'gdm' at a root prompt`
`14:33.43`	`Elly\|irssi`	`;\`
`14:33.48`	`Elly\|irssi`	`how can I not have a display manager running`
`14:34.04`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`window manager`
`14:34.10`	`Elly\|irssi`	`err? yeah?`
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`14:34.20`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, display manager != window manager`
`14:34.21`	`Elly\|irssi`	`theoretically, once I log in through gdm, fluxbox starts`
`14:34.29`	`Elly\|irssi`	`in practice gdm never shows up`
`14:34.30`	`abrotman`	`plonk`
`14:34.30`	`Elly\|irssi`	`why?`
`14:34.46`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`just type startx and see what happens`
`14:34.49`	`Elly\|irssi`	`it's always worked before`
`14:34.56`	`Elly\|irssi`	`then I installed hotplug =\`
`14:34.56`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`maybe your gdm got broken`
`14:35.01`	`abrotman`	`so much quieter! :)`
`14:35.14`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, well, make up your mind -- is it gdm or fluxbpx that doesn't work?`
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`14:36.29`	`keta`	`how could i benchmark performance differences between a kernel precompiled image and a self compiled one? and what i should compare in addiction to cpu times and i/o kernel operations?`
`14:36.33`	`Elly\|irssi`	`Eulex: gdm`
`14:36.39`	`Elly\|irssi`	`I never even get a picture once I startx`
`14:36.41`	`Elly\|irssi`	`just the mouse cursor`
`14:36.47`	`Elly\|irssi`	`same if I start gdm`
`14:36.50`	`Elly\|irssi`	`=\`
`14:37.14`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, gdm doesn't even display a log in prompt?`
`14:37.18`	`Elly\|irssi`	`no`
`14:37.22`	`Elly\|irssi`	`just a black screen`
`14:37.28`	`abrotman`	`now you know why i plonked :)`
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`14:37.56`	`Elly\|irssi`	`hmmmmm`
`14:38.01`	`Elly\|irssi`	`I checked /var/log/gdm/:0.log`
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`14:38.06`	`abrotman`	`keta: compile the kernel again :)`
`14:38.28`	`Elly\|irssi`	`AUDIT: date: client 4 rejected from local host`
`14:38.34`	`Elly\|irssi`	`is that important?`
`14:38.34`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, and what gfx driver did you choose?`
`14:38.39`	`Elly\|irssi`	`i810`
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`14:38.57`	`vosti`	`i've some problem compiling evas, aclocal thell me AM_PATH_GTK not found...which package i need to install?`
`14:39.06`	`cee`	`how can i generate my /etc/fstab to include my cdrom?`
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`14:39.14`	`asuffield`	`keta: the only thing you can possibly measure that's meaningful is the performance of the system doing the actual task it's supposed to be doing`
`14:39.18`	`Eulex`	`keta, there should be almost no difference in actual performance, although there may be a difference in boot speed.`
`14:39.19`	`abrotman`	`cee: it should already`
`14:40.05`	`cee`	`abrotman: it dosent..`
`14:40.58`	`abrotman`	`cee: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 .. something like that`
`14:41.27`	`Elly\|irssi`	`what does that AUDIT line mean :(`
`14:41.33`	`Elly\|irssi`	`"rejected client from localhost"`
`14:41.35`	`Elly\|irssi`	`that sounds really bad`
`14:41.57`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, did you run gdm as user or root?`
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`14:42.41`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, could you try re-running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select vesa instead?`
`14:42.42`	`cee`	`abrotman: it's not in there.. it is possible to run a program that generates that line.. or do i need to do it manually?`
`14:42.53`	`Eulex`	`cee, manually`
`14:42.56`	`abrotman`	`cee: manually`
`14:43.58`	`eleftherios`	`hm, k3b isn't available in Etch??`
`14:43.59`	`Elly\|irssi`	`Eulex: root`
`14:44.16`	`Elly\|irssi`	`Eulex: but it's not vesa...it worked fine with i810 for several months until I dpkg-reconfigured it`
`14:44.22`	`Eulex`	`eleftherios, no`
`14:44.30`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, it supports vesa.`
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`14:44.37`	`abrotman`	`kde is testing and unstable is a big mess currently due to C++ abi breakage`
`14:44.47`	`keta`	`Eulex: uhm, I'll stuck on precompiled images for my desktop then, ubuntu splash boot is cool and I don't want it going faster :)`
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`14:45.05`	`eleftherios`	`abrotman, I see`
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`14:45.26`	`Elly\|irssi`	`so...what do I do exactly? change it to vesa with dpkg-reconfigure?`
`14:45.27`	`Eulex`	`keta, btw, debian != ubuntu`
`14:45.31`	`Elly\|irssi`	`how will that fix the permissions issue?`
`14:46.29`	`Elly\|irssi`	`I googled it`
`14:46.35`	`Elly\|irssi`	`and found other people having the same problem`
`14:46.38`	`Elly\|irssi`	`but no suggested fix`
`14:46.44`	`keta`	`Eulex: my question was totaly compliant with debian's linux-images (as I run a sid destop too) :)`
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`14:47.25`	`keta`	`s/destop/desktop`
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`14:48.40`	`Elly\|irssi`	`so anyone?`
`14:48.50`	`intx`	`is there anyway to compare two archives without extracting them?`
`14:48.58`	`Elly\|irssi`	`intx: md5sum them`
`14:49.30`	`intx`	`I know they're different (file size is 100 bytes more on one) but I want to know which files within the archive are different`
`14:49.42`	`Elly\|irssi`	`dunno how you'd tell then`
`14:49.47`	`intx`	`they are archives taken of the same directory, 1 hour apart`
`14:50.16`	`Elly\|irssi`	`gnahgughghghg`
`14:50.24`	`Elly\|irssi`	`why is USB so damn hard on Linux`
`14:50.27`	`Eulex`	`intx, you might be able to do that if whatever archiving program you used can decompress to stdout`
`14:50.34`	`Elly\|irssi`	`if this were windows you'd plug them in and they'd just work like that`
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`14:51.51`	`sdakota`	`where can I find the C header files of Debian's 2.6 kernel?`
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`14:52.08`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, it's quite likely that this ain't a problem with usb`
`14:52.20`	`Elly\|irssi`	`then it's a problem with dpkg-reconfigure`
`14:52.21`	`Eulex`	`sdakota, install the kernel headers of your kernel.`
`14:52.24`	`Elly\|irssi`	`I'm going to reload my old xorg.conf`
`14:52.27`	`Elly\|irssi`	`and see what happens`
`14:52.35`	`sdakota`	`Eulex: i'll try...`
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`14:54.51`	`Elly\|irssi`	`with my old xorg.conf`
`14:54.54`	`Elly\|irssi`	`I get a picture on screen`
`14:54.57`	`Elly\|irssi`	`and my touchpad works`
`14:55.03`	`Elly\|irssi`	`but the USB mouse does not work`
`14:55.21`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, diff the new and old xorg.conf`
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`14:56.19`	`tarzeau`	`any chemists in here who deals with IUPAC/CAS and other chemicals during his free time?`
`14:56.32`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: english!`
`14:56.51`	`eleftherios`	`I am on Etch (kernel 2.6.12) and I am trying to configure a CDR/DVDR. I run: "cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI" and I get the output: "0,0,0 0) 'TSSTcorp' 'CD/DVDW TS-H552B' 'TS04' Removable CD-ROM". I have tried a couple of CD-burning apps (gnomebaker etc.) but they can't find the device. Any pointers on how I may configure CD recording correctly please?`
`14:56.56`	`abrotman`	`intx: are they tar ? or zipped ?`
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`14:57.17`	`tarzeau`	`eleftherios: tried dev=ATA yet?`
`14:57.35`	`tarzeau`	`eleftherios: tried burning with cdrecord?`
`14:58.01`	`intx`	`abrotman: tar.gz`
`14:58.23`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, what mouse device does the old xorg.conf use?`
`14:58.33`	`Elly\|irssi`	`Eulex: /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice`
`14:58.40`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, and what gfx driver?`
`14:58.42`	`Elly\|irssi`	`the new one also uses /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice`
`14:58.44`	`Elly\|irssi`	`and i810`
`14:58.47`	`Elly\|irssi`	`on both`
`14:58.56`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, any difference between them?`
`14:59.01`	`abrotman`	`intx: well .. that's not so easy .. but with a tar you could i suppose`
`14:59.14`	`intx`	`abrotman: how?`
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`14:59.42`	`abrotman`	`intx: iirc .. tar files have a header that tells you were the files start/end`
`14:59.49`	`eleftherios`	`tarzeau, I tried dev=ATA and it doesn't work. But dev=ATAPI finds the device. What's the difference?`
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`15:00.08`	`tarzeau`	`eleftherios: read the manual page, i prefer to use ide-scsi module and scsi emulation`
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`15:00.22`	`eleftherios`	`tarzeau, I am on kernel 2.6`
`15:00.22`	`tarzeau`	`eleftherios: xcdroast mourns about ATA(PI)`
`15:00.27`	`Elly\|irssi`	`Eulex: yeah`
`15:00.29`	`abrotman`	`tough .. maybe i was wrong :)`
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`15:00.32`	`tarzeau`	`eleftherios: i'm not`
`15:00.33`	`Elly\|irssi`	`different naming of devices`
`15:00.38`	`Elly\|irssi`	`that's pretty much it though`
`15:00.54`	`Frosted`	`Anyone know if there are any tricks for getting multiple terminals through a serial cable? :)`
`15:01.02`	`Elly\|irssi`	`=\`
`15:01.05`	`tarzeau`	`Frosted: screen ?`
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`15:01.28`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, also, can you cat any of the files in /dev/input/ and receive any random stuff in your terminal when you move your usb mouse? also, what do you get in your dmesg when you deconnect and connect the usb mouse?`
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`15:01.39`	`abrotman`	`eleftherios: when you scan for devices .. nothing ?`
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`15:01.57`	`eleftherios`	`tarzeau, the information you're giving me is irrelevant but thank you for your help :-)`
`15:02.00`	`abrotman`	`eleftherios: are you in the .. whatever group has access to /dev/hd<blah>`
`15:02.01`	`eleftherios`	`abrotman, yes I do`
`15:02.12`	`abrotman`	`yes i do ?`
`15:02.17`	`tarzeau`	`eleftherios: i think ide-scsi might also work on 2.6`
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`15:02.28`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: he means he is`
`15:02.37`	`eleftherios`	`abrotman, yes I do get results when I scan for devices I mean :-)`
`15:02.46`	`abrotman`	`eleftherios: so what's wrong with them ?`
`15:03.11`	`eleftherios`	`I run: "cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI" and I get the output: "0,0,0 0) 'TSSTcorp' 'CD/DVDW TS-H552B' 'TS04' Removable CD-ROM".`
`15:03.25`	`abrotman`	`that's not gnomebaker :)`
`15:03.54`	`eleftherios`	`abrotman, my question was that although I get that output from cdrecord, gnomebaker doesn't find a device`
`15:04.12`	`eleftherios`	`abrotman, and if anyone had any pointers on how I could configure cd-recording`
`15:04.15`	`eleftherios`	`:-)`
`15:04.26`	`abrotman`	`eleftherios: and you're on testing ?`
`15:04.45`	`tarzeau`	`i'm sure this is a bug of gnomebaker`
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`15:04.51`	`eleftherios`	`abrotman, I am on Etch, 2.6.12 (also specified in my orginal question)`
`15:04.54`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: i blame gnustep`
`15:05.06`	`abrotman`	`eleftherios: hey .. it's still morning .. i can't scroll up yet :)`
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`15:05.15`	`eleftherios`	`abrotman, :-)`
`15:05.20`	`abrotman`	`eleftherios: anyways .. xcdroast doesn't find it either ?`
`15:05.32`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: he wants gnomebaker`
`15:05.43`	`abrotman`	`that's not what i asked damn it!`
`15:06.01`	`eleftherios`	`tarzeau, not really. I just want a cd-recording program to work`
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`15:06.10`	`eleftherios`	`abrotman, hang on, I'll try xcdroast`
`15:06.15`	`tarzeau`	`eleftherios: can you not use cdrecord ?`
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`15:06.27`	`tarzeau`	`it's a cd recording program`
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`15:06.41`	`eleftherios`	`tarzeau, can I use it to make copies of CDs on the fly?`
`15:06.47`	`tarzeau`	`sure`
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`15:07.05`	`tarzeau`	`it comes with a tool called readcd`
`15:07.40`	`eleftherios`	`abrotman, installing xcdroast now..`
`15:07.45`	`Frosted`	`tarzeau, screen is fine, i'd just like to have multiple terms open at the same time :)`
`15:07.56`	`tarzeau`	`Frosted: yes with screen`
`15:08.00`	`Frosted`	`eh?`
`15:08.03`	`Frosted`	`how's that then?`
`15:08.05`	`tarzeau`	`Frosted: c-a c`
`15:08.34`	`eleftherios`	`tarzeau, ok, I'll try using cdrecord. But I would still like to be able to configure a GUI app for CD writing`
`15:09.45`	`Frosted`	`tarzeau, You don't get it, I want to have a ton of windows open In X all in diffrent terms, so I can view them simultaniously`
`15:09.58`	`tarzeau`	`Frosted: yes with screen. you don't get it`
`15:10.11`	`tarzeau`	`with screen you can do that, of course you need to understand screen`
`15:10.18`	`tarzeau`	`you can achive that when you read the manuals of screen`
`15:10.32`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: no .. it's a limitation of the serial cable iirc`
`15:10.42`	`intx`	`how do I grep files starting with a . prefix?`
`15:10.51`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: you can run screen in screen, you know?`
`15:10.58`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: and the serial console ?`
`15:11.00`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: so you can start screen, then minicom, then screen`
`15:11.07`	`bbrazil`	`intx: grep blah .[^.]*`
`15:11.12`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: and then keep starting minicom ?`
`15:11.17`	`eleftherios`	`abrotman, xcdroast works fine`
`15:11.25`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: no screen -x to the local screen`
`15:11.26`	`Frosted`	`cause minicom locks the ttyS0 device`
`15:11.32`	`tarzeau`	`Frosted: i know`
`15:11.37`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: he wants multiple connections over ttyS0`
`15:11.43`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: he can't do that`
`15:11.46`	`abrotman`	`no shit`
`15:11.50`	`Frosted`	`hehe`
`15:11.54`	`abrotman`	`that's what he was asking to do :)`
`15:11.58`	`tarzeau`	`but he can have multiple views`
`15:12.12`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i had the impression he just wants several windows to a device`
`15:12.30`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: he wants several serial connections over ttyS0 ..`
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`15:12.49`	`abrotman`	`eleftherios: just gnomebaker ?`
`15:12.56`	`tarzeau`	`Frosted: what do you really want?`
`15:13.03`	`Frosted`	`I don't know anymore :/`
`15:13.03`	`abrotman`	`eleftherios: are you running them as root .. or as the user ?`
`15:13.10`	`abrotman`	`Frosted: a beer and a hot woman ?`
`15:13.19`	`Frosted`	`hm, yes please!`
`15:13.26`	`tarzeau`	`!beep Frosted`
`15:13.29`	`tarzeau`	`!beer Frosted`
`15:13.30`	`Eulex`	`Freak, you could try graveman...`
`15:13.38`	`Frosted`	`cheers :)`
`15:13.40`	`eleftherios`	`well, I have tried only gnomebaker and xcdroast. I tried gnomebaker as a user and as root too. Xcdroast nly as root so far (and started duplicating a cd)`
`15:13.41`	`tarzeau`	`!woman Frosted`
`15:13.44`	`edrin_`	`hi`
`15:13.48`	`edrin_`	`i installed vpnc`
`15:14.06`	`abrotman`	`eleftherios: groups .. what are your groups >`
`15:14.07`	`abrotman`	`?`
`15:14.15`	`edrin_`	`how do i ensure all connections are then established using the ip i got from the vpn?`
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`15:15.43`	`MacNamera`	`hi, which ports should be open for chatzilla; 6667+9999 only?`
`15:15.55`	`tarzeau`	`MacNamera: 6660 - 6669`
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`15:16.33`	`eleftherios`	`abrotman, I am not sure I understand about what kind of groups you are talking about. I can't see how this is related to groups. Gnomebaker complains that nothing is mounted at /media/cdrom0 and that /dev/hda does not exist`
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`15:16.41`	`_joey`	`how do I submit a bug for a package ?`
`15:16.47`	`abrotman`	eleftherios: run the command `groups` .. what groups are you in?
`15:16.51`	`abrotman`	`!tell _joey about reportbug`
`15:16.57`	`_joey`	`thanks`
`15:17.09`	`eleftherios`	`abrotman, dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev`
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`15:17.26`	`abrotman`	`just making sure`
`15:17.31`	`edrin`	`hm`
`15:17.36`	`MacNamera`	`tarzeau:k thanks...I check it now, brb`
`15:17.36`	`edrin`	`seems to work now :)`
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`15:18.09`	`intx`	`how would I go about setting a machine to reboot automatically 5 minutes on next boot?`
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`15:18.17`	`abrotman`	`eleftherios: what if you run gnomebaker as root ?`
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`15:18.33`	`abrotman`	`intx: huh ?`
`15:18.35`	`eleftherios`	`abrotman, I get the same`
`15:18.44`	`abrotman`	`eleftherios: same what?`
`15:18.52`	`abrotman`	`eleftherios: gnomebaker finds nothing ?`
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`15:19.53`	`intx`	`abrotman: i'm trying to test a kernel. On the next reboot, I want it to automatically restart 5 minutes after incase it doesn't work (assuming it doesn't fault)`
`15:19.56`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i think it doesn't know about dev=ATA/dev=ATAPI`
`15:20.08`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: oddly .. it works in my laptop :)`
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`15:20.09`	`eleftherios`	`abrotman, it finds a drive as: /dev/hdc mountpoint /media/cdrom0`
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`15:20.17`	`abrotman`	`intx: uhm ...`
`15:20.22`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: and you have 2.6 kernel and no ide-scsi loaded?`
`15:20.28`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: right!`
`15:20.30`	`intx`	`abrotman: e.g. [restart to test kernel] [5 minutes] [automatic restart.. via crontab?]`
`15:20.34`	`Eulex`	`intx, installing a kernel from ssh?`
`15:20.37`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: and it's not a scsi cd bruner?`
`15:20.39`	`intx`	`Eulex yes`
`15:20.40`	`abrotman`	`intx: @reboot or @restart`
`15:20.45`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: it's a laptop ..`
`15:20.53`	`abrotman`	`intx: i can't remember which it is`
`15:20.55`	`MacNamera`	`tarzeau: k, looks to work now! thanks for your help!`
`15:21.03`	`Eulex`	`intx, well, not recommended...`
`15:21.07`	`intx`	`@reboot never sees to work for me :) I was wondering if I should even be using crontab`
`15:21.30`	`intx`	`Eulex: well, I have physical access to the machine if I need it, I'd just rather it be a last resort`
`15:21.30`	`Eulex`	`intx, if your kernel fails to start, crond won't start`
`15:21.58`	`abrotman`	`lilo -r might work`
`15:22.05`	`abrotman`	`oh wait .. no it won't`
`15:22.14`	`intx`	`I know, it's more of a 'if network doesn't work, restart.'`
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`15:22.41`	`Eulex`	`intx, well, do you know if your kernel will even boot?`
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`15:22.50`	`MacNamera`	`is someone familiar with FTD?`
`15:22.53`	`abrotman`	`intx: you mean more like .. 'if network fails .. reconfigure bootloader .. reboot' :)`
`15:23.02`	`abrotman`	`MacNamera: they send flowers`
`15:23.10`	`intx`	`hmm i'll try cron :) hope it works`
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`15:23.21`	`darkcmd`	`where can I edit my make.conf in debian`
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`15:23.55`	`MacNamera`	`abrotman: hihihi...k, I did not know that :-) I mean the program to see what is posted in newsgroups`
`15:24.03`	`intx`	`thanks for your input`
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`15:24.12`	`Eulex`	`darkcmd, what would it do on whatever distro it comes from? (gentoo?)`
`15:24.29`	`darkcmd`	`well I want to set my default tags so it compiles for my pentium4`
`15:24.33`	`darkcmd`	`when I do compile`
`15:24.40`	`darkcmd`	`so I don't have to set the flags manually`
`15:25.14`	`Eulex`	`darkcmd, set up CFLAGS to whatever you want. put it in .profile or whatever.`
`15:25.50`	`sifi`	`how do I translate all capitals to lowercase for all files in a dir with tr?`
`15:26.04`	`darkcmd`	`so there isn't a general place to put it?`
`15:26.23`	`Eulex`	`darkcmd, no.`
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`15:27.33`	`darkcmd`	`ok`
`15:27.39`	`darkcmd`	`so`
`15:27.42`	`darkcmd`	`in .profile`
`15:27.52`	`darkcmd`	`do CFLAGS="blah blah:`
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`15:27.55`	`darkcmd`	`and stuff`
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`15:28.34`	`Eulex`	`darkcmd, sorry, not .profile, .bash_profile and .bashrc`
`15:28.34`	`LarsOtte`	`#debian.de`
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`15:29.08`	`darkcmd`	`ok thank you`
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`15:30.28`	`Eulex`	`darkcmd, also, this might not work with all software. you may have to do some manual editing of make files or so to build those it doesn't work for.`
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`15:32.08`	`Eulex`	`darkcmd, uhm, now that I think of it, I dunno if it'd work at all. it all comes down to the build system used.`
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`15:32.50`	`Aggelos-`	`how do I delete blank cells in a csv file with openoffice calculator?`
`15:33.07`	`abrotman`	`Aggelos-: delete the cell ?`
`15:33.44`	`darkcmd`	`hehe`
`15:33.57`	`darkcmd`	`is this a problem with all distributions... or just debian?`
`15:34.12`	`darkcmd`	`I love the xmas gift I got`
`15:34.18`	`darkcmd`	`A Sun UltraSPARC`
`15:34.31`	`abrotman`	`what kind?`
`15:34.44`	`darkcmd`	`its not very good, but its what my parents could afford`
`15:34.47`	`darkcmd`	`an Ultra 10`
`15:34.49`	`darkcmd`	`IDE :(`
`15:34.57`	`abrotman`	`darkcmd: CPU ?`
`15:35.04`	`darkcmd`	`UltraSPARC IIi`
`15:35.05`	`abrotman`	`yonkeltron: hey!`
`15:35.08`	`darkcmd`	`I think... 440mhz`
`15:35.13`	`darkcmd`	`1gb ram`
`15:35.14`	`abrotman`	`darkcmd: oh .. that's fine for SOlaris`
`15:35.19`	`pingouin`	`abrotman: 12 strings ?`
`15:35.24`	`pingouin`	`abrotman: nice underwears ;)`
`15:35.24`	`abrotman`	`pingouin: on a guitar`
`15:35.29`	`darkcmd`	`abrotman: I wanted to run Debian on it too :)`
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`15:35.43`	`abrotman`	`darkcmd: ah .. i'm more familiar with solaris on sparc hardware`
`15:35.46`	`Aggelos-`	`abrotman": sd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #debian`
`15:35.46`	`Aggelos-`	`[17:32] <Aggelos-> how do I d`
`15:35.47`	`Eulex`	`darkcmd, what distro does make.conf originate from? and yes, this is a problem with all distros that don't do anything special to avoid it.`
`15:35.51`	`Aggelos-`	`how do I delete blank cells in a csv file with openoffice calculator?`
`15:35.57`	`abrotman`	`Aggelos-: delete the cell ?`
`15:36.02`	`Aggelos-`	`isnt it understandable?`
`15:36.04`	`pingouin`	`the world must be told.. abrotman wears strings`
`15:36.09`	`Eulex`	`Aggelos-, #openoffice.org?`
`15:36.14`	`Aggelos-`	`completely remove it`
`15:36.19`	`darkcmd`	`Eulex: no problem at all.. I was just curious`
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`15:36.22`	`abrotman`	`Aggelos-: i'd suspect you'd clear the contents .. though TBH .. sed would be better :)`
`15:36.31`	`abrotman`	`pingouin: is that all ?`
`15:36.37`	`pingouin`	`;)`
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`15:36.56`	`pingouin`	`while playing guitar for sure ;)`
`15:37.06`	`Eulex`	`darkcmd, I think gentoo makes its CFLAGS apply on all packages on a case-by-case basis.`
`15:37.43`	`darkcmd`	`it should automatically compile for i686 if I have a 686 right`
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`15:38.01`	`Eulex`	`darkcmd, not usually`
`15:38.13`	`Eulex`	`darkcmd, depends on build system, though`
`15:38.37`	`darkcmd`	`what about a standard ./configure`
`15:38.49`	`darkcmd`	`that has a configure script.. it should auto detect i686`
`15:38.51`	`darkcmd`	`I believe`
`15:39.05`	`Eulex`	`darkcmd, maybe. I dunno.`
`15:39.14`	`_joey`	`Never thought irssi would be with so many opened bugs`
`15:39.23`	`abrotman`	`lots of people use it`
`15:39.38`	`darkcmd`	`_joey: irssi has a lot of bugs?`
`15:40.27`	`sifi`	`darkcmd, no, run irssi-text`
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`15:41.06`	`darkcmd`	`I have its the same as irssi`
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`15:41.40`	`sifi`	`darkcmd, yes, it's stable to`
`15:42.01`	`darkcmd`	`why is joey saying it has lots of opened bugs?`
`15:42.03`	`Eulex`	`darkcmd, tried ./configuring and compiling it, and it added no optimization flags`
`15:42.28`	`darkcmd`	`compiling what?`
`15:42.51`	`sifi`	`darkcmd, don't know, ask him, irrsi is recommened before bitchx for example just because bitchx has backports or bugs`
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`15:43.24`	`darkcmd`	`bitchx has lots of bugss?`
`15:43.27`	`Eulex`	`darkcmd, sorry, it did add -O2. but it didn't optimize for any specific processor.`
`15:43.39`	`sifi`	`darkcmd, ^`
`15:44.12`	`darkcmd`	`oh`
`15:44.20`	`darkcmd`	`no -march`
`15:44.23`	`darkcmd`	`or anything`
`15:44.30`	`Eulex`	`darkcmd, no`
`15:44.39`	`darkcmd`	`hmm`
`15:44.41`	`darkcmd`	`oh well`
`15:44.44`	`darkcmd`	`its not that hard to add them`
`15:45.06`	`darkcmd`	`wow`
`15:45.10`	`darkcmd`	`reportbug is a cool tool`
`15:45.15`	`darkcmd`	`reminds me of the bsd reporting tools`
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`15:50.21`	`_joey`	`all sfotware has bugs, don't worry about it`
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`15:58.29`	`Aggelos-`	`men`
`15:58.34`	`Aggelos-`	`I need help`
`15:58.39`	`Eulex`	`!ask`
`15:58.40`	`dpkg`	`If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org`
`15:58.40`	`koshbot`	`Eulex: darkcmd, don't know, ask him, irrsi is recommened before bitchx for example just because bitchx has backports or bugs`
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`15:59.03`	`Aggelos-`	`how do I sort columns in alphabetical order (in openoffice calc) ?`
`16:01.18`	`Eulex`	`koshbot, shuddup. any brain in there or are you just a bot?`
`16:01.30`	`Pfated`	`Aggelos-: Sort?`
`16:01.31`	`Frosted`	`Aggelos-, data -> sort`
`16:01.32`	`Eulex`	`btw, what's the freenode policy for bots?`
`16:01.32`	`Frosted`	`?`
`16:01.41`	`Pfated`	`Eulex: Use 'em, don't abuse 'em.`
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`16:02.13`	`SimonRaven`	`ircname : /msg koshbot hello`
`16:02.19`	`Eulex`	`Pfated, ok`
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`16:04.32`	`SimonRaven`	`koshbot is an eggdrop...`
`16:04.49`	`Aggelos-`	`Frosted this will NOT change the line contents?`
`16:04.50`	`Pfated`	`blootbot > *`
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`16:05.12`	`asuffield`	`right, not even eggdrop is as huge and bloated as blootbot`
`16:05.16`	`Eulex`	`Aggelos-, backup if in doubt.`
`16:06.10`	`Pfated`	`We love our blootbots.`
`16:06.20`	`asuffield`	`personally I hate it`
`16:06.30`	`Pfated`	`You hate dpkg? :(`
`16:07.01`	`asuffield`	`try debugging it sometime, you'll soon hate it too`
`16:07.10`	`Pfated`	`Fair enough.`
`16:07.17`	`darkcmd`	`i think blootbot is fine... it works good for what this channel needs`
`16:07.46`	`yonkeltron`	`abrotman: so are we doing chinese and a movie?`
`16:08.04`	`abrotman`	`yonkeltron: hehe .. no wait . i was going to ask if you know any guitar shops near you`
`16:08.13`	`yonkeltron`	`abrotman: not a one`
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`16:08.25`	`abrotman`	`hrm ..`
`16:09.12`	`thingfish`	`You mention guitars a lot, abrotman. Do you collect them, or are you just into playing the guitar?`
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`16:09.26`	`asuffield`	`he's just into talking about them`
`16:09.29`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`16:09.30`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: i have three! .. i want .. four more .. at least :)`
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`16:09.56`	`abrotman`	`i want .. a 12 string ... a Fender Tele .. an archtop .. and a 6str acoustic/electric`
`16:10.00`	`thingfish`	`abrotman: neat. Are they acoustic/folk guitars, or do you own some electrics as well?`
`16:10.06`	`thingfish`	`ok`
`16:10.12`	`Aggelos-`	`anyone has collection of tabs ?`
`16:10.16`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: i have a regular 6string, a classical, and an electric`
`16:10.21`	`abrotman`	`Aggelos-: ultimate-guitar.com`
`16:10.22`	`thingfish`	`telecasters are nice`
`16:10.33`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: i want a fender nashville tele :)`
`16:10.38`	`thingfish`	`I'd almost take a telecaster over a strat.`
`16:10.42`	`thingfish`	`nice`
`16:10.54`	`abrotman`	`i'd take a tele over a strat any day`
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`16:12.35`	`abrotman`	`but i went to the local GuitarCenter .. looking for Martin 12 strings .. because last year they had a really good selection .. this year all they had was takamine and a really low end fender`
`16:12.52`	`thingfish`	`ooh, Martin. You're talking some bucks, there.`
`16:13.48`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: well .. the one i saw last year that i went back to get(but it was gone) was a 12 string SPD .. it was like $2500 new .. but $1300 used`
`16:14.01`	`thingfish`	`wow, that's not that bad, really.`
`16:14.11`	`abrotman`	`no .. and it was in great shape .. and sounded fantastic`
`16:15.21`	`abrotman`	`but this year they only had Takamines .. and those were acous/elec .. and i don't want that`
`16:15.28`	`thingfish`	`yeah, yuck`
`16:15.33`	`khodam`	`NEED HELP! I upgraded my debian system which is 'testing' and some kernel modules are not working. The ones I am aware of now are the mouse and sound. When I try to run X using startx, it gives this error "(EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/psaux No such device."`
`16:15.49`	`darkcmd`	`how do I get a login like this: http://npotechs.org/photo/linux-ascii.jpg`
`16:15.54`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: that's not nearly as bad as the day i called another shop and asked about the price on a taylor 12str .. and they come back and say "that's $7000 .. should we order one for you?" :)`
`16:16.03`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
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`16:16.08`	`abrotman`	`khodam: use /dev/input/mice`
`16:16.09`	`darkcmd`	`abrotman: hahah`
`16:16.24`	`darkcmd`	`why doesn't /dev/psaux work anymore?`
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`16:16.36`	`abrotman`	`!2.6 mouse`
`16:16.36`	`dpkg`	`2.6 mouse is, like, modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules and choose mouse device /dev/input/mice and mouse type ExplorerPS/2. See http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3))`
`16:16.37`	`khodam`	`abrotman, OK I'll try ...`
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`16:17.17`	`darkcmd`	`I've always used /dev/psaux`
`16:17.21`	`darkcmd`	`that doesn't work anymore?`
`16:17.38`	`abrotman`	`darkcmd: sometimes yes .. sometimes no :)`
`16:18.00`	`starshine`	`I've got a license purist asking me which java they should use to make sure they're getting a) Free stuff, b) something that works`
`16:18.31`	`starshine`	`of course debian has a full kit of java variants but descriptions don't help on (b)`
`16:18.35`	`abrotman`	`starshine: is there a #debian-java ?`
`16:18.40`	`asuffield`	`well the kaffe guys say that kaffe is the only one which works, and sablevm is shit`
`16:18.51`	`asuffield`	`and the sablevm guys say that sablevm is the only one which works, and kaffe is shit`
`16:18.57`	`asuffield`	`so I suggest using gcj`
`16:19.12`	`abrotman`	`i tried to use kaffe with tomcat .. what a mess`
`16:19.17`	`starshine`	`kaffe's a jvm right, how about the bytecoder?`
`16:19.22`	`abrotman`	`starshine: does the guy have a JDK level that he needs ?`
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`16:19.27`	`asuffield`	`you mean jikes?`
`16:19.34`	`asuffield`	`that's always been free software`
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`16:19.41`	`abrotman`	`starshine: like .. does he need java1.4 or java1.2 ? ro what ?`
`16:20.06`	`starshine`	`abrotman: good question, it's for some plugin he's got lying around from the net.`
`16:20.12`	`abrotman`	`oh lovely`
`16:20.22`	`abrotman`	`last i knew .. kaffe was java1.2 or something`
`16:20.24`	`khodam`	`abrotman, sorry it's not working it says there is no such file/device called /dev/input/mice`
`16:20.33`	`abrotman`	`khodam: did you modprobe mousedev ?`
`16:20.46`	`abrotman`	`or psmouse ?`
`16:20.59`	`khodam`	`please wait ...`
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`16:21.22`	`asuffield`	`or it could be a box installed as woody that doesn't use udev, in which case some MAKEDEV is called for`
`16:21.29`	`starshine`	`you have the event and input interfaces loaded?`
`16:21.35`	`abrotman`	`asuffield: he said he upgraded to testing`
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`16:21.46`	`abrotman`	`of course .. he coudl still have a 2.2 kernel :)`
`16:21.47`	`asuffield`	`abrotman: yeah, but that doesn't create new devices`
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`16:21.58`	`asuffield`	`the static /dev is populated at install time`
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`16:22.06`	`asuffield`	`and a few package postinsts create new devices`
`16:22.07`	`asuffield`	`but that's it`
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`16:23.01`	`starshine`	`khodam: if asuffield is right, /dev/input/mice will be a char device 13, 63`
`16:23.17`	`starshine`	`khodam: and MAKEDEV is recommended so you get the other related devs to`
`16:23.24`	`starshine`	`*too`
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`16:24.45`	`starshine`	`by the way merry ripping-open-gifts day :)`
`16:24.59`	`binary_dreamer`	`hi`
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`16:25.25`	`cmdKeen`	`xserver keeps saying error intializing mouse but I am sure it's set properly... what can cause that ?`
`16:25.28`	`binary_dreamer`	`does anybody know where i could get gnome 2.12? i am running sarge`
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`16:25.53`	`khodam`	`abortman, starshine, sorry I am a bit confussed on the steps required. When I did modprobe mousedev, it worked (only when I went back to /dev/psaux) but now it says some font path is not found!`
`16:25.57`	`jeffrin`	`merry christmas to all`
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`16:26.52`	`starshine`	`khodam: the font path has nothing to do with the mouse, you're probably good on that now.`
`16:27.17`	`khodam`	`starshine, great but the x does not start yet`
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`16:27.47`	`khodam`	`starshine, also how do i make if happen after each boot`
`16:27.56`	`sdakota`	`anyone who can help me with debconf-set-selections?`
`16:29.11`	`starshine`	`khodam: launching startx from a console shell I hope?`
`16:29.31`	`starshine`	`sdakota: install aptitude, you'll be lots happier`
`16:29.41`	`sdakota`	`starshine, ....`
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`16:30.12`	`starshine`	`sdakota: do you mean you are trying to create debconf material?`
`16:30.38`	`khodam`	`starshine, yah that's how i do it but x starts for a few seconds and then dies :(`
`16:30.42`	`sdakota`	`starshine, aptitude is by default installed on all debian systems, and I'm using debconf-set-selections so that when my script runs apt-get (automatically), it won't freeze (as there is no way to answer the question for the user that way)`
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`16:31.10`	`Moeen`	`Is Gaim2.0 Package available for Debian ?!`
`16:31.33`	`Moeen`	`starshine, wow, Interesting name :P Do you know anything about the Starshine Satellite ?`
`16:31.40`	`starshine`	`khodam: then the complaints should still be on its console. From the bottom, ignore "broken pipe", what's the next one up`
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`16:32.21`	`starshine`	`Moeen: a small amount, I'm not related to the project. They have it up so kids can learn about near-space and have teacher kits so classrooms can keep track`
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`16:34.00`	`starshine`	`sdakota: dpkg-reconfigure debconf`
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`16:34.44`	`sdakota`	`starshine: not that, I want to set all options.`
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`16:34.51`	`sdakota`	`starshine: not just make it take the default values.`
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`16:34.55`	`sdakota`	`anyone who can help me with debconf-set-selections?`
`16:35.06`	`starshine`	`sdakota: ahhhh ok :)`
`16:35.32`	`sdakota`	`darn, my keyboard isn't working in VMWare :/`
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`16:37.55`	`leafers`	`how can i get linux to recognize a rw dvd and install the software?`
`16:38.23`	`leafers`	`debian linux`
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`16:39.05`	`galois`	`imapd-ssl: chdir "/home/cather$": No such file or directory <- This directory does exist. Does this message suggest permissions are the problem?`
`16:39.33`	`starshine`	`leafers: mount its device on a mountpoint, if you have a udf fs module it should load`
`16:39.59`	`khodam`	`starshine, I sent you the only warnings I get; no errors!`
`16:40.11`	`EmleyMoor`	`BTW Toy Story 2 is now showing on BBC1`
`16:40.46`	`darkcmd`	`Toy Story was rendered on Sun SPARCStations`
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`16:40.51`	`darkcmd`	`I found that kinda interesting.`
`16:41.05`	`EmleyMoor`	`I just like the connection between it and Debian`
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`16:41.40`	`Moeen`	`darkcmd, do you know how many stations ?`
`16:41.44`	`darkcmd`	`117`
`16:41.46`	`darkcmd`	`I think`
`16:42.31`	`leafers`	`i tried mounting it says wrong fs bad option bad superblock`
`16:42.38`	`starshine`	`khodam: it might be the wm that's unhappy, try bare X`
`16:42.51`	`kimda`	`hi everybody. i am getting errors when trying to mount my dvd burner. the following error: hda: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }. any ideas?`
`16:42.59`	`starshine`	`khodam: but you'll need ctrl-alt-backspace to get back out of it`
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`16:43.09`	`Moeen`	`darkcmd, Pixar Render man is Great ! Every famous movie that you think use Renderman :P (Matrix, Lord of the Rings, ...)`
`16:43.19`	`darkcmd`	`:D`
`16:43.40`	`khodam`	`starshine, what is wm?`
`16:43.45`	`darkcmd`	`the actual modeling was done on SGI workstations of course`
`16:43.45`	`leafers`	`it is an HP 740i dvd writer`
`16:43.48`	`Moeen`	`kimda, for Every DVD ? or just a special DVD ?`
`16:43.51`	`EmleyMoor`	`khodam: window manager`
`16:43.54`	`starshine`	`window manager`
`16:43.59`	`starshine`	`for example, fvwm`
`16:44.17`	`khodam`	`EmleyMoor, thanks :)`
`16:44.42`	`starshine`	`khodam: fvwm is a decent one if you're unsure what you've got`
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`16:45.18`	`hermann`	`hello ?`
`16:45.19`	`khodam`	`starshine, how do i use fvwm instead of gnome's default`
`16:45.24`	`leafers`	`it recognizes it at startup`
`16:45.24`	`wang`	`hello! Today ,I apt-get update/upgrade my debian-etch , then I can't start mozilla-firefox`
`16:45.33`	`wang`	`it give the error msg: wang@wang:~/work/HSB_ky/trunk$ mozilla-firefox`
`16:45.33`	`wang`	`* glibc detected * malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x08bcb4f8 ***`
`16:45.44`	`darkcmd`	`etch will break`
`16:45.46`	`wang`	`How can I fix this problem ?`
`16:45.46`	`darkcmd`	`its not stable`
`16:45.50`	`EmleyMoor`	`fvwm isn' bad - though I use icewm, I have used fvwm and it's nice`
`16:46.09`	`Moeen`	`khodam, you can choose your WM when you are in GDM. Do you use GDM ?`
`16:46.34`	`starshine`	`khodam: if you apt-get install it new wm's tend to offer the chance to change the preferred one in /etc/alternatives.`
`16:46.47`	`hermann`	`someone using dm-crypt(ed) filesystems in here? (me really messed things up...)`
`16:46.47`	`khodam`	`Moeen, yes but I cannot get that far yet! my x is broken`
`16:46.51`	`abrotman`	`khodam: did you get it ?`
`16:46.57`	`starshine`	`khodam: don't use a gui login app (like gdm) until you've got X behaving from console launch`
`16:47.26`	`Moeen`	`khodam, reconfigure you X ! dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (for Sarge)`
`16:47.28`	`abrotman`	`khodam: do you have EE lines in your X log ?`
`16:47.30`	`leafers`	`wont eject either`
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`16:47.41`	`starshine`	`abrotman: he has only WW warnings that he gave me and X launches then flickers and fails`
`16:48.09`	`starshine`	`khodam: EE lines are the important ones`
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`16:49.52`	`sdakota`	`I'm trying to use debconf-set-selections to prevent apt-get from asking any questions, because those questions won't show up if I run apt-get from within my script... but I don't know what to put into debconf-set-selections because the question has more then one space in it... can anyone help?`
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`16:50.39`	`galois`	`where are user's home directories set?`
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`16:50.52`	`tarzeau`	`galois: in etc/passwd`
`16:50.57`	`galois`	`tarzeau: thanks`
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`16:51.05`	`tarzeau`	`galois: see also /etc/skel`
`16:51.20`	`sdakota`	`debconf-set-selections says "warning: Unknown type installing, skipping line 1."`
`16:51.49`	`Moeen`	`is Gaim2 package available ?!`
`16:52.13`	`sdakota`	`Moeen: check for yourself! aptitude search gaim`
`16:52.20`	`sdakota`	`Moeen: ;)`
`16:52.22`	`abrotman`	`packages.debian.org/gaim`
`16:52.26`	`starshine`	`sdakota: does quoting help? (I'm still running blind but you have a good idea)`
`16:52.46`	`Moeen`	`sdakota, I use debian Sarge, of course it's not available in my repositories !`
`16:52.56`	`sdakota`	`starshine: No, I had the question quoted: libc-client2002edebian "Continue installing libc-client without Maildir support?" yesno yes`
`16:53.16`	`sdakota`	`starshine: which gave that output`
`16:53.24`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: you ever did something with debconf-set-selections?`
`16:53.24`	`EmleyMoor`	`My nephew is still opening his presents`
`16:53.47`	`DrNach`	`I have an Radeon 9600 card, and am using X.org (and xorg's ati driver), how do I enable direct rendering?`
`16:54.00`	`Moeen`	`I heard that Gnome 2.12 is available in Experimental repository ! what's its address ?`
`16:54.05`	`hermann`	`hi - i have 2 encryptet partitions on my system (used cryptsetup with luks extentions) and i accidently destroyed the partiotion table so thy won't get recognizes as luks partition any more. is there a way to get this working again?`
`16:54.08`	`abrotman`	`sdakota: don't blame me .. i didn't break your box`
`16:54.13`	`abrotman`	`Moeen: if you have to ask .. you shouldn't`
`16:54.25`	`darkcmd`	`how do I use aptitude to search once I launch it`
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`16:54.31`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: ?`
`16:54.46`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: Lol - no, that's not what I meant`
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`16:54.58`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: ;) Just wanted to ask if you know how to fix it`
`16:55.13`	`abrotman`	`sdakota: what's the error ?`
`16:55.26`	`Moeen`	`abrotman, try to help, not just ... !!! found my answer`
`16:55.34`	`khodam`	`Moeen, starshine, abrotman, I am trying dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and now it is asking what is your video card bus identifier. How do I get that information?`
`16:55.35`	`abrotman`	`Moeen: i am helping you ..`
`16:55.38`	`abrotman`	`!experimental`
`16:55.38`	`dpkg`	`experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental.`
`16:55.40`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: warning: Unknown type installing, skipping line 1`
`16:55.40`	`abrotman`	`Moeen: ^^`
`16:55.49`	`abrotman`	`khodam: leave it blank`
`16:55.59`	`khodam`	`ok ..`
`16:56.04`	`galois`	`tarzeau: thanks - that was very useful`
`16:56.10`	`starshine`	`khodam: if you only have one card just press enter and get the next question`
`16:56.12`	`darkcmd`	`experimental's codename is scut right?`
`16:56.16`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: I filled in: libc-client2002edebian "Continue installing libc-client without Maildir support?" yesno yes`
`16:56.21`	`abrotman`	`Moeen: really... you don't want to mess with stuff from experimental unless you have a VERY good reason`
`16:56.23`	`doubleukay`	`how do i rewrite incoming TCP packets? iptables doesn't let me SNAT on the INPUT chain.`
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`16:56.48`	`abrotman`	`doubleukay: #iptables .. i think it can do that`
`16:56.56`	`doubleukay`	`thanks, will head there`
`16:57.04`	`abrotman`	`sdakota: i'm confused .. doesn't it work ?`
`16:57.40`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: No, it should remember that if libc-client2002edebian asks the question "Continue installing libc-client without Maildir support?" which is of type yesno, to answer yes`
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`16:58.00`	`abrotman`	`sdakota: are you asking me how to make debconf remember stuff ... or why yours doesn't ?`
`16:58.09`	`abrotman`	`sdakota: as in .. are you making a package ?`
`16:58.13`	`starshine`	`sdakota: that response sounds like it thought the type given was unexpected. is the box really something besides yesno ?`
`16:58.27`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: Both`
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`16:58.41`	`binary_dreamer`	`anybody knows where i could upgrade gnome to the latest? i am running sarge`
`16:58.41`	`starshine`	`abrotman: he's trying to do a sysadmin-kit that pre-answers with right things for his local people`
`16:58.44`	`sdakota`	`starshine: Yes, please read the manpage for debconf-set-selection for more information`
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`16:58.58`	`leafers`	`is there anyway to get debian to recognize the difference between a cdrom and a dvd?`
`16:58.59`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: No, I'm making an installation script and it installs some stuff using apt-get too...`
`16:59.22`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: the problem is, when apt-get asks a question, then it won't display in my script, that's why I'm trying to set predefined values for those questions`
`16:59.23`	`abrotman`	`wtf is wrong with the gnome in sarge?`
`16:59.45`	`starshine`	`sdakota: all I know about the error you got is that when I googled for it I found when the patch was added to "not bail on unknown types" but yours did (and shouldn't be unknown) so... I'm stumped too`
`16:59.49`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: which is done using debconf-set-selections.... but the question can't have any spaces in it`
`16:59.56`	`leafers`	`upgrade the kernal`
`16:59.58`	`leafers`	`?`
`17:00.03`	`sdakota`	`starshine: No... it's quite logical`
`17:00.03`	`abrotman`	`sdakota: did you try "s?`
`17:00.08`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: Yes`
`17:00.20`	`abrotman`	`leafers: dmesg \| grep -i atapi ?`
`17:00.43`	`sdakota`	`starshine: You see, the first argument is the package name, then after 1 space comes the question, then after 1 space comes the type, then after 1 space to the end of the line comes the value`
`17:01.04`	`sdakota`	`starshine: so when I fill in libc-client2002edebian "Continue installing libc-client without Maildir support?" yesno yes`
`17:01.13`	`leafers`	`it shows the right drives`
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`17:01.42`	`starshine`	`sdakota: right. your format looked fine to me once I grokked what you were trying. I just can't figure what's on debconf's tiny mind`
`17:01.43`	`sdakota`	`starshine: it's logical that the program thinks the package name is libc..., the question is "Continue, the type is installing, then the libc-client without Maildir support?" yesno yes becomes the answer`
`17:01.55`	`leafers`	`but i can't mount them`
`17:02.01`	`leafers`	`or eject one`
`17:02.01`	`sdakota`	`starshine: which explains the error, unknown type installing`
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`17:02.27`	`abrotman`	`leafers: fuser / lsof .. what's using them ?`
`17:02.28`	`leafers`	`hdc: LITEON DVD-ROM LTD163, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive`
`17:02.29`	`leafers`	`hdd: HP DVD Writer 740b, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive`
`17:02.29`	`leafers`	`hdc: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache, UDMA(33)`
`17:02.29`	`leafers`	`hdd: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)`
`17:02.29`	`leafers`	`scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices`
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`17:02.47`	`abrotman`	`sdakota: i've never seen that .. but i've never tried to feed dpkg answers either`
`17:03.08`	`sdakota`	`starshine: which brings me back to the general problem - how to put a question in debcon-set-selections that has spaces`
`17:03.35`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: I never did it before too (which is probably why I'm having problems now), and... to be exactly, it's called preseeding ;)`
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`17:04.54`	`starshine`	`sdakota: maybe you only need the title of its dialogbox?`
`17:05.25`	`sdakota`	`starshine: title is "Configuring libc-client2002edebian?"`
`17:05.56`	`abrotman`	`escape the " " like "\ "`
`17:05.58`	`starshine`	`I'm looking at some working examples on the net seeing if any have stuff with spaces in 'em`
`17:05.58`	`abrotman`	`??`
`17:06.00`	`koshbot`	`??[x]: Usage: ?? <word> [> nick]`
`17:06.10`	`abrotman`	`??fart`
`17:06.11`	`sdakota`	`!debconf-set-selections`
`17:06.15`	`sdakota`	`!debconf`
`17:06.15`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that debconf is Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. <http://auric.debian.org/~joeyh/debconf-stats/>`
`17:06.17`	`abrotman`	`?? hi`
`17:06.18`	`koshbot`	`hi[x]: No defenition found for word.`
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`17:06.40`	`abrotman`	`koshbot: vorlon`
`17:06.40`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: I'll try that`
`17:06.46`	`abrotman`	`??vorlon`
`17:06.53`	`EmleyMoor`	`??toddler`
`17:06.55`	`leafers`	`what was that again`
`17:06.58`	`abrotman`	`?? vorlon`
`17:06.59`	`koshbot`	`vorlon[x]: No defenition found for word.`
`17:07.04`	`EmleyMoor`	`Hmmm`
`17:07.05`	`leafers`	`fusre \| ?`
`17:07.08`	`EmleyMoor`	`?? toddler`
`17:07.09`	`abrotman`	`?? what are you good for?`
`17:07.10`	`koshbot`	`toddler[x]: No defenition found for word.`
`17:07.12`	`koshbot`	`what[x]: No defenition found for word.`
`17:07.18`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: Unknown type installing\`
`17:07.20`	`abrotman`	`leafers: fuser or lsof`
`17:07.51`	`leafers`	`it just gives me a help file`
`17:07.57`	`abrotman`	`?? cow`
`17:07.58`	`koshbot`	`cow[x]: No defenition found for word.`
`17:08.06`	`abrotman`	`?? commands`
`17:08.06`	`koshbot`	`commands[x]: No defenition found for word.`
`17:08.07`	`starshine`	`sdakota: in the example I see at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs01.html.en it uses "boolean" but not yesno..`
`17:08.10`	`abrotman`	`what a useless bot`
`17:08.23`	`sdakota`	`starshine: Ok, i'll change it to boolean`
`17:08.29`	`EmleyMoor`	`About as much use as a chocolate fireguard`
`17:08.59`	`starshine`	`sdakota: if that works I'm getting out the chocolates`
`17:09.08`	`sdakota`	`starshine, whatever, it still doesn't change the error`
`17:09.11`	`leafers`	`lsof a long list of things`
`17:09.20`	`sdakota`	`starshine: the error is still in the second word of the question`
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`17:09.36`	`leafers`	`what am i looking for?`
`17:10.08`	`abrotman`	`processes using it`
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`17:10.35`	`daeds`	`can people get to the blueyonder apt repositories?`
`17:10.45`	`daeds`	`im trying to update but with no luck`
`17:10.56`	`leafers`	`it is i think /dev/hdc`
`17:11.02`	`daeds`	`just wanted to know if its my box or not`
`17:11.11`	`abrotman`	`daeds: url might be helpful`
`17:11.11`	`daeds`	`as everything seems fine`
`17:11.24`	`repp`	`leafers: yeah`
`17:11.37`	`sdakota`	`starshine, abrotman, .. If you find anything about it or get any ideas... I'm gonna go eating so i'll see you in about 30 minutes :)`
`17:12.01`	`sdakota`	`?`
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`17:12.09`	`sdakota`	`meh`
`17:12.22`	`abrotman`	`heh`
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`17:12.26`	`sdakota_xmasdinn`	`DINNER!`
`17:12.27`	`sdakota_xmasdinn`	`darn`
`17:12.30`	`sdakota_xmasdinn`	`sdakota_xmasdinner`
`17:12.31`	`sdakota_xmasdinn`	`:/`
`17:12.34`	`sdakota_xmasdinn`	`cheers`
`17:12.36`	`daeds`	`ahh i see`
`17:12.37`	`repp`	`leafers: you don't really need to do anything to recognize the difference between a cd or dvd drive; you just need to know which is which`
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`17:12.50`	`repp`	`leafers: in your case looks like cd is /dev/hdc and dvd is /dev/hdd`
`17:12.57`	`daeds`	`they've change the dir structure`
`17:13.03`	`leafers`	`well i have two dvd's`
`17:13.23`	`leafers`	`/dev/hdc and /dev/hdd`
`17:13.26`	`sifi`	`what is the most common default frame buffer for grub?`
`17:13.29`	`repp`	`leafers: sorry, I meant dvd is /dev/hdc and burner is /dev/hdd`
`17:13.38`	`leafers`	`yea`
`17:14.01`	`leafers`	`both wont mount`
`17:14.12`	`leafers`	`same message`
`17:14.14`	`repp`	`leafers: what is your mount command?`
`17:14.26`	`leafers`	`mount /dev/hdc`
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`17:14.55`	`repp`	`yeah that won't work, unless you have a /dev/hdc in your /etc/fstab`
`17:15.07`	`daeds`	`abrotman i can give you a paste`
`17:15.16`	`leafers`	`even as su`
`17:15.19`	`MoLoot`	`I'm using debian/testing. I noticed that kdevelop is not installed. I would like to install it. What would I add to the sources.list file so that i may download kdevelop`
`17:15.30`	`repp`	`leafers: try doing the command like this (as su, of course): mount /dev/hdc /mnt/dvd`
`17:15.32`	`abrotman`	`daeds: it's one line`
`17:15.35`	`Zwartetoorts`	`Many clysmas everybody. I'm streaming from my debian with haupage 150pvr card over the network with netcat, so I can view the stream with videolan on windows. I use apache2 and php to change the frequency. When I type ivtv-tune -f192 in the console as user www-data it works fine. But from my script ivtv-tune fails with exit code 11. Can anybody help me out with this?`
`17:15.53`	`repp`	`leafers: you may have to mkdir /mnt/dvd`
`17:16.17`	`daeds`	`abrotman: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/p/php4/php4_4.3.10-16_all.deb Temporary failure resolving 'security.debian.org'`
`17:16.21`	`daeds`	`an example of mant`
`17:16.57`	`leafers`	`it says i must specify file system`
`17:17.00`	`galois`	`what is the utiility to move mail from /var/mail to ~/Maildir?`
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`17:17.16`	`abrotman`	`daeds: just you .. works here :)`
`17:17.16`	`repp`	`leafers: ok then, try this: mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt/dvd`
`17:17.22`	`daeds`	`hmmm strange`
`17:17.29`	`daeds`	`god knows whats up then`
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`17:17.37`	`daeds`	`i can access the box remotely`
`17:17.43`	`galois`	`5`
`17:17.44`	`daeds`	`and was working yesturday`
`17:18.10`	`daeds`	`ahhh i see`
`17:18.29`	`daeds`	`i was dumb`
`17:18.33`	`daeds`	`its lost all net access`
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`17:20.23`	`leafers`	`those devices are in my fstab`
`17:20.30`	`leafers`	`but they say cdrom`
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`17:20.59`	`leafers`	`cdrom0 cdrom1`
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`17:21.44`	`leafers`	`same dmesg`
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`17:22.48`	`leafers`	`says it is mounting read only`
`17:23.01`	`leafers`	`then wrong file system type etc`
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`17:25.28`	`yang`	`I cannot get alsa working ? it says following sound cards found on the system - via82xx VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller`
`17:25.35`	`goron`	`date gives me the current time + 1 hour. The time zone is correct though. The date was correct until yesterday.`
`17:25.40`	`goron`	`What can I do.`
`17:25.51`	`yang`	`goron: tzconfig`
`17:25.56`	`goron`	`yang: already did that.`
`17:26.05`	`goron`	`yang: "the timezone is correct"`
`17:26.07`	`yang`	`goron: install ntpdate`
`17:26.15`	`goron`	`yang: I don't want to use network time`
`17:26.18`	`leafers`	`should that /mnt/dvd be two?`
`17:26.29`	`goron`	`yang: Do you have an NForce2?`
`17:26.43`	`leafers`	`like /mnt/dvd0 and /mnt/dvd1`
`17:26.58`	`yang`	`no`
`17:27.22`	`goron`	`yang: ok, since I have those chips too.`
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`17:27.30`	`leafers`	`repp?`
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`17:27.55`	`yang`	`alsa - OK, sound driver is configured. but no sound...`
`17:28.06`	`daeds`	`ahhh fixed`
`17:28.12`	`daeds`	`sorry to be a pain abrotman`
`17:28.31`	`takatumi`	`yang: unmuted?`
`17:28.41`	`yang`	`alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory`
`17:28.50`	`daeds`	`it was since i changed my the box ip to be static so i can use a DMZ after a friends advice`
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`17:29.40`	`khodam`	`starshine, Moeen, abrotman, I reconfiged my x. starshine was right my x is happy (I can run X alone) but my wm wont run. I have tried sawfish, wmaker, and fvmw. None works!`
`17:30.02`	`abrotman`	`khodam: and od you have an error for us ?`
`17:30.12`	`yang`	`khodam: checked your Xfree86.log`
`17:30.19`	`Moeen`	`khodam, which wm would you like to work with ? Gnome ? kde ? ... ?!`
`17:30.27`	`abrotman`	`it's XFree86.0.log .. and he's using xorg`
`17:30.28`	`daeds`	`anyone know the command to get webmin to search for new modules for new services installed?`
`17:30.47`	`yang`	`then its Xorg.0.log :)`
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`17:31.32`	`sifi`	`where can I find common chat symbols and what they are meaning? like: ^`
`17:31.49`	`yang`	`with my last boot the sound worked, but now its all gone`
`17:31.51`	`tictac`	`is there a place to limit users to max number of open files?`
`17:31.53`	`blondie`	`sifi: glue`
`17:32.04`	`tictac`	`im getting Too many open files when running bittorrent`
`17:32.08`	`sifi`	`blondie, ?`
`17:32.12`	`blondie`	`sifi: glue`
`17:32.13`	`daeds`	`sifi: the symbols have different meaning for different ircds`
`17:32.14`	`khodam`	`abrotman, yang, Moeen, starshine, well my X runs and has no error. So in the log there is no error. I am using gnome; where would the error messages for the wm be logged?`
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`17:32.36`	`abrotman`	`khodam: but you've tried other WMs ?`
`17:32.51`	`sifi`	`daeds, yes but in general`
`17:33.00`	`abrotman`	`cat .xsession-errors`
`17:33.01`	`daeds`	`sifi: use /version to find the ircd name and then search through the documentation for the meanings`
`17:33.09`	`leafers`	`so i have one listing in cdrom and one listing in /mnt/dvd`
`17:33.11`	`daeds`	`sifi: usually ^ means the owner of the channel`
`17:33.15`	`khodam`	`abrotman, yes I have tried sawfish, wmaker, and fvmw. None works`
`17:33.25`	`abrotman`	`khodam: but all for gnome ?`
`17:33.34`	`khodam`	`abrotman, yes`
`17:33.42`	`abrotman`	`khodam: are ther eany .xsession-errors ?`
`17:33.52`	`leafers`	`the /dev/hdd now ejects`
`17:33.56`	`Moeen`	`khodam, write these commands in Root : apt-get install x-window-system x-window-system-core gdm gnome`
`17:34.07`	`sifi`	`daeds, where should I type /version? if I'm doing it in this channel � get "Bad arguments for user command."`
`17:34.09`	`khodam`	`abrotman, please wait...`
`17:34.12`	`Moeen`	`khodam, see all of them installed or not !`
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`17:34.31`	`daeds`	`sifi: probably in the status screen of your client`
`17:34.33`	`khodam`	`Moeen, I already have done that ; they are all installed`
`17:34.35`	`leafers`	`that means it is mounted`
`17:34.39`	`galois`	`how does one run a perl script?`
`17:34.48`	`galois`	`sh script?`
`17:34.50`	`yang`	`takatumi: any idea?`
`17:34.55`	`sifi`	`daeds, same there`
`17:34.56`	`abrotman`	`galois: that might work`
`17:35.07`	`galois`	`abrotman: going to give mbox2maildir a go`
`17:35.09`	`daeds`	`sifi then i have no idea... im currently using windows and mirc`
`17:35.18`	`daeds`	`check the docs to your client`
`17:35.20`	`abrotman`	`galois: make a backup first :)`
`17:35.48`	`takatumi`	`yang: alsa-base, alsa-utils installed? alsaconf run? alsa modules loaded? googled? ;)`
`17:35.50`	`sifi`	`daeds, yes, but there should be some reference over common used chat symbols, I'll google it`
`17:35.54`	`abrotman`	`yay rain rain rain!`
`17:36.03`	`abrotman`	`!alsa checklist`
`17:36.08`	`abrotman`	`!alsa-checklist`
`17:36.08`	`dpkg`	somebody said alsa-checklist was 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound running? 5) OSS modules loaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
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`17:36.44`	`leafers`	`it plays .avi`
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`17:37.07`	`leafers`	`just not audio cds`
`17:37.11`	`goron`	`hwclock --show gives the correct time, but date doesn't. How can I get date to give the correct time, since I assume that's what my DE uses.`
`17:37.28`	`galois`	`abrotman: died a death :/`
`17:37.40`	`abrotman`	`galois: who what ?`
`17:37.43`	`abrotman`	`oh`
`17:38.00`	`leafers`	`was not working cause no cd or dvd in it`
`17:38.04`	`galois`	`command not found on line 16 :/`
`17:38.12`	`galois`	`need to find another solution`
`17:38.17`	`abrotman`	`blondie: isn't it raining for you too ?`
`17:38.21`	`CcSsNET`	`date DDMMhhmmYY`
`17:38.25`	`CcSsNET`	`is format`
`17:38.33`	`CcSsNET`	`the date command for shell`
`17:38.36`	`leafers`	`thx anyway`
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`17:38.37`	`blondie`	`abrotman: no (it's not raining either)`
`17:38.42`	`CcSsNET`	`]hh and mm is hour and minute`
`17:38.52`	`CcSsNET`	`capital is day moth year respectivly`
`17:38.57`	`CcSsNET`	`month8`
`17:38.58`	`abrotman`	`CcSsNET: WHAT?`
`17:38.59`	`yang`	`takatumi: no alsa-base :)`
`17:39.32`	`blondie`	`CcSsNET: u speke engri5h?`
`17:39.35`	`CcSsNET`	`goron asked a question abrotman why not go back to your cacun now hehe`
`17:39.42`	`CcSsNET`	`as with you asshole`
`17:39.52`	`blondie`	`me no understandy`
`17:40.05`	`takatumi`	`!confuse blondie`
`17:40.05`	`dpkg`	`Yes, how was your hamster yesterday, blondie? shirts of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra ham`
`17:40.10`	`CcSsNET`	`ahhh well no woris its not for you`
`17:40.22`	`CcSsNET`	`goron, did you get that command?`
`17:40.22`	`blondie`	`CcSsNET: you eat the glue!`
`17:41.10`	`abrotman`	`goron: what timezone is your sytstem using ?`
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`17:41.27`	`goron`	`abrotman: Amsterdam`
`17:41.34`	`abrotman`	`goron: are you sure ?`
`17:41.38`	`CcSsNET`	`he doesnt care about the time learn to read he says its rigt`
`17:41.43`	`CcSsNET`	`he said date`
`17:41.48`	`goron`	`abrotman: tron@justok:~$ tzconfig`
`17:41.48`	`goron`	`Your current time zone is set to Europe/Amsterdam`
`17:41.50`	`abrotman`	`goron: /etc/default/rcS`
`17:41.53`	`abrotman`	`CcSsNET: SHUT UP`
`17:42.06`	`morgajel`	`I'm not quite sure how it happened, but my father in law's computer managed to corrupt it's /var/lib/dpkg/available any clues as to how to rebuild this file?`
`17:42.20`	`CcSsNET`	`apt-get update`
`17:42.21`	`EmleyMoor`	`Oh fsck, my parents and sister are at it now!`
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`17:42.25`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: /var/lib/dpkg/available fix`
`17:42.25`	`dpkg`	`[/var/lib/dpkg/available fix] 'dselect update'`
`17:42.26`	`CcSsNET`	`morgajel`
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`17:42.46`	`blondie`	`CcSsNET: how now brown cow`
`17:43.21`	`goron`	`abrotman: UTC=no`
`17:43.28`	`abrotman`	`god .. more idiotic kanotix users`
`17:43.32`	`morgajel`	`CcSsNET: that's what I thought too, but it doesn't seem interested in rebuilding it.`
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`17:43.53`	`blondie`	`disrespect of what?`
`17:43.56`	`tuv`	`doesn't apt have an option/configuration to run "apt-get clean" periodically?`
`17:43.57`	`abrotman`	`kanotix idiots :)`
`17:43.57`	`CcSsNET`	`huh thats odd morgajel try what the others said`
`17:44.17`	`goron`	`tuv: there's cron for that I guess.`
`17:44.24`	`morgajel`	`danke abrotman and CcSsNET`
`17:44.26`	`abrotman`	`goron: and tzconfig says what ?`
`17:44.27`	`tuv`	`i just found that 5.7GB are occupied by /var/cache/apt/archives !!`
`17:44.36`	`abrotman`	`tuv: apt-get clean`
`17:44.37`	`Phated`	`apt-get clean?`
`17:44.41`	`abrotman`	`sleep ?`
`17:44.44`	`goron`	`ron@justok:~$ tzconfig`
`17:44.44`	`goron`	`Your current time zone is set to Europe/Amsterdam`
`17:44.44`	`goron`	`Do you want to change that? [n]:`
`17:45.00`	`Phated`	`Sleep.`
`17:45.00`	`tuv`	`abrotman: can't it be run automatically?`
`17:45.02`	`goron`	`abrotman: that (I already said that)`
`17:45.06`	`abrotman`	`goron: so hwclock shows the right time .. the system is set for hte right timezone .. but date shows the wrong time ?`
`17:45.07`	`bbrazil`	`tuv: if you're using cron-apt it'll do a nightly autoclean`
`17:45.09`	`ke6isf`	`sleep -24000`
`17:45.13`	`blondie`	`abrotman: yes it's bedtime`
`17:45.14`	`abrotman`	`goron: i know you said that .. i was making sure :)`
`17:45.21`	`goron`	`abrotman: completely correct.`
`17:45.24`	`goron`	`abrotman: ok`
`17:45.25`	`abrotman`	`goron: ntp ?`
`17:45.30`	`goron`	`abrotman: I don't use ntp`
`17:45.37`	`blondie`	`use it then`
`17:45.39`	`ke6isf`	`goron: ...why not? =^^=`
`17:45.42`	`abrotman`	`goron: i mean .. maybe try it ;)`
`17:45.43`	`blondie`	`or your clock will be wrong`
`17:45.59`	`goron`	`blondie: my hardware clock is correct.`
`17:46.04`	`abrotman`	`goron: TBH . ntp is a fantastic thing`
`17:46.12`	`goron`	`!TBH`
`17:46.12`	`dpkg`	`To Be Honest`
`17:46.15`	`blondie`	`goron: it'll become incorrent`
`17:46.25`	`blondie`	`*incorrect`
`17:46.27`	`goron`	`blondie: I know the theory.`
`17:46.33`	`abrotman`	`goron: what time does your hwclock say . and what time does date say ?`
`17:46.34`	`CcSsNET`	`i fond it funny, im ssh'd to a computer designed to make others think its not what it really is, "it says to the world its kanotix even though its not lol but yea its funny how others feel good about them selfs picking and proding about everything"`
`17:46.35`	`blondie`	`goron: your clock will be wrong then`
`17:46.39`	`CcSsNET`	`found*`
`17:46.51`	`starshine`	`sdakota_xmasdinn: my best lead so far is fai uses the same format as debconf-set-selections ..`
`17:46.52`	`goron`	`date: zo dec 25 19:47:28 CET 2005`
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`17:46.52`	`abrotman`	`CcSsNET: can you die now ?`
`17:47.05`	`CcSsNET`	`its even funnier no one relized i already send him the date command format for usage`
`17:47.07`	`blondie`	`goron: thirty seconds fast by any time zone`
`17:47.20`	`goron`	`hwclock: zo 25 dec 2005 18:47:48 CET -0.632368 seconds`
`17:47.21`	`abrotman`	`where's hwclock`
`17:47.32`	`goron`	`abrotman: there it is.`
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`17:47.33`	`blondie`	`goron: your clock is out`
`17:47.34`	`abrotman`	`goron: i see`
`17:47.37`	`tuv`	`bbrazil: i guess this is what i was looking for :) thanks`
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`17:47.42`	`ke6isf`	`CcSsNET: date is useless here.`
`17:47.44`	`abrotman`	`goron: CET is holland ?`
`17:47.45`	`blondie`	`you better install ntp quick`
`17:47.59`	`blondie`	`CET is GMT + 1`
`17:48.16`	`abrotman`	`goron: does CET do DST ?`
`17:48.21`	`blondie`	`yes`
`17:48.23`	`goron`	`!DST`
`17:48.23`	`dpkg`	`i guess dst is Daylight Savings Time. In US/Europe, clocks "spring forward" 1 hour at 0200 localtime on the FIRST Sunday in April. They "fall back" 1 hour at 0200 localtime on the LAST Sunday in October. Ask me about "est".`
`17:48.52`	`raden`	`anyone think 59 C is a lil hott for a cele D idle temp ?`
`17:49.05`	`abrotman`	`raden: what do the usages specs say ?`
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`17:49.27`	`goron`	`abrotman: What do you suggest?`
`17:49.28`	`abrotman`	`raden: my laptop is 55C`
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`17:49.33`	`abrotman`	`goron: using NTP :)`
`17:49.39`	`raden`	`abrotman, cant find emm anywhere`
`17:49.57`	`abrotman`	`goron: oh wait`
`17:50.15`	`abrotman`	`hrm .. nevermind`
`17:50.16`	`aimtrainer`	`Hi everybody! I have a Micronet Bluetooth adapter and dont know where to get drivers. I googled but did not find anything. Would any of you have an idea where to look for em?`
`17:50.18`	`raden`	`abrotman, they say max temp 67 C`
`17:50.25`	`goron`	`abrotman: it seems my clock is set to GMT, so I would have to set =yes in that file, right?`
`17:50.26`	`abrotman`	`well .. they're engineers :)`
`17:50.28`	`raden`	`i mean this is nuts my P4 runs 31 C`
`17:50.40`	`abrotman`	`goron: but hwclock says CET`
`17:50.50`	`blondie`	`goron: yes but also run NTP because your clock is out`
`17:51.02`	`goron`	`blondie: I don't care about 30 seconds.`
`17:51.03`	`valdyn`	`raden: that almost sounds unrealistic, im not sure you can trust that 31C`
`17:51.15`	`raden`	`valdyn, northwood core`
`17:51.20`	`raden`	`my prescott runs 44 c`
`17:51.23`	`abrotman`	`raden: really .. my P4 laptop runs at 55C`
`17:51.29`	`raden`	`WEIRD`
`17:51.32`	`goron`	`blondie: This is not some super important server which needs a correct date.`
`17:51.46`	`raden`	`my p4 2.0 highest ever was 39 C and the 1.6 was like 36 highest ever`
`17:51.48`	`blondie`	`all computers need a correct time`
`17:51.54`	`raden`	`the cele D runs steady in the 50's`
`17:52.01`	`goron`	`blondie: could you elaborate?`
`17:52.13`	`abrotman`	`raden: more transistors .. more heat ..`
`17:52.34`	`raden`	`abrotman, makes sense`
`17:52.41`	`raden`	`you guys like intel of AMD ?`
`17:52.41`	`blondie`	`goron: no`
`17:52.53`	`blondie`	`no`
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`17:53.26`	`goron`	`blondie: no, you can't or no you don't feel like it?`
`17:53.39`	`blondie`	`the latter`
`17:53.47`	`raden`	`abrotman, well im sick of my 70 C warning waking me up everynight this is getting nutz`
`17:53.57`	`abrotman`	`raden: get a new CPU fan ?`
`17:53.57`	`goron`	`ok, well there are prob. lots of HOWTO's explaining it.`
`17:54.11`	`blondie`	`raden: move to the north pole :p`
`17:54.14`	`abrotman`	`goron: when is the last time you restarted your machine ?`
`17:54.15`	`goron`	`How's the NTP package called in Debian?`
`17:54.18`	`goron`	`abrotman: today`
`17:54.21`	`raden`	`the one i have is a intel rated for 3.2 GHz i mean i know there not the best but this is nutz`
`17:54.23`	`abrotman`	`goron: just wondering :)`
`17:54.29`	`blondie`	`goron: by name`
`17:54.33`	`abrotman`	`ntpdate or ntp`
`17:55.00`	`raden`	`I just build my new bedframe and there room for all 7 CPUs down there im thinking of enclosing it and running air conditioning at 50 degrees`
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`17:56.29`	`goron`	`abrotman: those packages install the necessary script, etc. such that it all works on reboot? My time is now correct after the install.`
`17:56.46`	`ohad`	`how do i view mpeg movies (quicktime) in firefox (i know this is not #firefox) - what pkg do i need to download?`
`17:57.04`	`abrotman`	`goron: yep ...`
`17:57.09`	`john`	`Does anybody have a LCD 17 Inch Flatpanel monitor? If so, is there a certain font package I could use that's more "clear" looking on the screen?`
`17:57.17`	`abrotman`	`goron: when your system comes up .. it will run the correction again`
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`17:57.23`	`Eulex`	`ohad, the mplayer plugin from marillat`
`17:57.24`	`abrotman`	`goron: (if it's off)`
`17:57.32`	`starshine`	`sdakota_xmasdinn: http://wiki.jones.dk/WikiSandBox see the bottom. "I thought it best to tar it because the selection file format is very sensitive." no kidding! good luck`
`17:57.33`	`ohad`	`thx`
`17:57.38`	`CcSsNET`	`www.systemshell.net im giving away free shells. happy holidays to all`
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`17:58.20`	`CcSsNET`	`join the irc and private msg me there or here`
`17:58.31`	`blondie`	`no`
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`17:58.36`	`blondie`	`go away spammer`
`17:58.41`	`CcSsNET`	`anyway im out. jar heads here fuckin rediculas`
`17:58.49`	`CcSsNET`	`peace to the respectfull`
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`17:58.59`	`blondie`	`respect is EARNT`
`17:59.01`	`blondie`	`not given`
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`18:00.01`	`BYys`	`czesc`
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`18:01.10`	`mrgenixus`	`is there any reason I might not be able to chroot into a debian install from a gentoo live? I'm unable to run any commands when I try the chroot`
`18:01.17`	`magyar`	`Every time i start KDE i get this error message: "Sound server fatal error:cpu overload, aborting" (SID amd64, KDE 3.4.3)`
`18:01.33`	`CcSsNET`	`sorry you view your life and aquentance with such low self esteme blondie, some of us actually enjoy life and arnt trying to prove them selves to the world. hope you relize im not trying to put you down either, just maybe hope you take it as a wakeup call. but yea im leaving bye all`
`18:01.40`	`abrotman`	`CcSsNET: i thought you were leaving?`
`18:02.13`	`paulswm`	`CcSsNET: A happy Christmas to you, bye`
`18:02.27`	`abrotman`	`i hope he gets snowed in and his cable modem dies`
`18:02.58`	`xsdg`	`CcSsNET, blondie: if you're going to continue this, could you please do so in private?`
`18:03.09`	`goron`	`abrotman: :)`
`18:03.12`	`blondie`	`Im not thanks`
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`18:04.02`	`xsdg`	`!smite abrotman`
`18:04.18`	`paulswm`	`!medal xsdg`
`18:04.22`	`paulswm`	`o.O`
`18:04.34`	`paulswm`	`sorry xsdg, that didn't come out right :)`
`18:04.39`	`sdakota_xmasdinn`	`LOL`
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`18:04.51`	`galois`	`abrotman: for info there is a package called mb2md which worked very well`
`18:05.00`	`abrotman`	`galois: i've used htat :)`
`18:05.01`	`sdakota`	`paulswm, LOL`
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`18:05.14`	`paulswm`	`sdakota: :)`
`18:05.19`	`xsdg`	`paulswm: :o)`
`18:05.40`	`sdakota`	`paulswm: have you ever used debconf-set-selections?`
`18:05.49`	`sdakota`	`paulswm: I keep failing to set it correctly?`
`18:05.49`	`paulswm`	`sdakota: Nopey`
`18:05.55`	`sdakota`	`paulswm: s/?/...`
`18:06.16`	`paulswm`	`sdakota: Sorry, never used it`
`18:06.20`	`Frosted`	`hmm, testing is generating a TON of "warning: passing argument 1 of"'s everywhere I go :D`
`18:06.27`	`sdakota`	`paulswm: ok`
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`18:09.23`	`galois`	`how do I reinstall the /etc/init.d script for courier?`
`18:09.37`	`takatumi`	`sdakota: what are you trying to do?`
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`18:11.02`	`navinRjohnson`	`my $XAUTHORITY is set to /tmp/.gdmxxxxxx for display 0, when i startx --:1, my $XAUTHORITY is set to ~/.Xauthority which does not exist. what do i need to do?`
`18:11.16`	`abrotman`	`blondie: notice ... still not gone! :)`
`18:11.25`	`sdakota`	`takatumi, I'm writing a script, and it calls apt-get, and apt-get can't ask questions through my app, and next to that I want to set the answers to all questions, to prevent that apt even asks them`
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`18:11.47`	`abrotman`	`sdakota: oh . i have lots of times`
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`18:12.23`	`sdakota`	`abrotman: Give! Give! Give Script!`
`18:12.24`	`sdakota`	`;)`
`18:12.49`	`john`	`http://pastebin.com/478470`
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`18:13.07`	`abrotman`	`john: that's just not funny`
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`18:13.31`	`blondie`	`abrotman: awww he'd miss us if he left :(`
`18:13.42`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`18:14.05`	`john`	`abrotman: I thought it was awesome. I'm unsure who originally did it, but kinda neat. :)`
`18:14.59`	`nayyares`	`i am used to work in Macromedia Dreamweaver, but i want to work in Linux enviroment, is there any open source replace to it?`
`18:15.19`	`navinRjohnson`	`vi?`
`18:15.26`	`paulswm`	`Heh`
`18:15.32`	`nayyares`	`:)`
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`18:16.53`	`paulswm`	`john: Unfortunately, my redneck brother in law has kind of put a stop to that script: http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/rn_christmas.jpg`
`18:17.03`	`abrotman`	`nayyares: nvu or bluefish`
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`18:17.41`	`john`	`paulswm: haha`
`18:17.46`	`goron`	`nayyares: Quanta+3.4?`
`18:18.18`	`abrotman`	`what is +3.4 ?`
`18:18.34`	`navinRjohnson`	`is there a simple way i can set my .Xauthority for my second display on 1.0 ?`
`18:18.35`	`goron`	`abrotman: that's what the splash screen says`
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`18:19.10`	`goron`	`abrotman: the binary quanta and then version 3.4, I guess. No rocket science here.`
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`18:19.34`	`abrotman`	`goron: i don't use quanta .. i thought maybe it was intended for KDE3.4 :)`
`18:19.38`	`Moeen`	`nayyares, Anjuta`
`18:19.50`	`goron`	`abrotman: well, it is a kde component.`
`18:20.02`	`abrotman`	`Moeen: anjuta is good for writing HTML .. but iirc .. doesn't have a display component`
`18:20.05`	`Moeen`	`nayyares, oh, no :P Anjuta is not a good choice for you :D`
`18:20.12`	`goron`	`abrotman: I don't know how much of the rest of KDE it needs.`
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`18:20.38`	`abrotman`	`goron: ALL OF IT .. every kde app needs all of kde .. :)`
`18:21.02`	`goron`	`abrotman: not really.`
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`18:21.17`	`MacNamera`	`does someone know a free webserver with >50mb webspace?`
`18:21.17`	`abrotman`	`goron: notice the :) .. i was kidding`
`18:21.26`	`bucky`	`nayyares, there's no macromedia for linux but there is one WYSIWYG editor that's pretty good`
`18:21.26`	`bucky`	`http://www.nvu.com/`
`18:21.30`	`goron`	`abrotman: yes, I thought you were, but I wasn't sure.`
`18:21.47`	`abrotman`	`!tell mindCtrl about root`
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`18:22.39`	`tarzeau`	`nayyares: Gorm.app ?`
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`18:23.16`	`abrotman`	`what kind of crappy environment uses file extensions ?`
`18:23.25`	`khodam`	`abrotman, starshine, Moeen, yang, guys thank you so much! I got my X wroking! The problem was configuring X. After that I made a mistake trying to "startx" as root. I also had to put mouse modules in the /etc/models file to load at boot time. thanks a lot :)`
`18:23.26`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: dos`
`18:23.41`	`abrotman`	`khodam: enjoy`
`18:23.52`	`khodam`	`abrotman, starshine, Moeen, yang, now what modules should I set for my sound to wokr?`
`18:24.08`	`khodam`	`abrotman, thanks I am enjoying it :)`
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`18:24.11`	`Elly\|irssi`	`I'm still bothered by the total and inexplicable non-workage of this USB mouse`
`18:24.11`	`Moeen`	`khodam, install alsa and alsa-tools`
`18:24.16`	`abrotman`	`oh .. except sound ...`
`18:24.24`	`Elly\|irssi`	`and also by the way that something is spewing error messages to my tty`
`18:24.31`	`Moeen`	`khodam, then run alsaconf`
`18:24.33`	`Elly\|irssi`	`"Invalid ICMP blah blah blah" all the time`
`18:24.49`	`Moeen`	`khodam, alsaconf will load the suitable module for your sound card`
`18:24.57`	`goron`	`abrotman: would you agree that Linux sound is a mess?`
`18:24.59`	`abrotman`	`AND DAMN IT .. don't forget to add yourself to the audio group`
`18:25.11`	`abrotman`	`goron: i hate how hard alsa is .. but it works better than OSS :)`
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`18:25.31`	`abrotman`	`kspath: what happened to your real balls ?`
`18:25.47`	`kspath`	`to me nothing is better than logitech optical trackballs and happy hacker keyboards`
`18:25.51`	`khodam`	`Moeen, abrotman, ok guys I'll try it and let you know how it goes ...`
`18:25.54`	`Moeen`	`khodam, ah, excuse me ! package "alsa" and "alsa-utils" ==> su && apt-get install alsa-utils alsa && alsaconf`
`18:26.00`	`starshine`	`sdakota: did you win yet?`
`18:26.02`	`abrotman`	`AND DAMN IT .. don't forget to add yourself to the audio group`
`18:26.02`	`kspath`	`my wife keeps my real balls in a jar on a shelf`
`18:26.07`	`goron`	`abrotman: Mwa, I have working Nforce2 drivers from the evil Nvidia. It didn't crash yet(as it did with previous versions). I have hardware-mixing. :D`
`18:26.29`	`abrotman`	`goron: but those are closed drivers .. they don't really count`
`18:26.33`	`sdakota`	`starshine: Nah, no results.`
`18:26.43`	`starshine`	`sdakota: at least I tried`
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`18:26.45`	`goron`	`abrotman: I know, since with version 3.0 of Linux they don't work anymore.`
`18:26.49`	`elephantMan`	`Hi all`
`18:26.59`	`starshine`	`the only other good lead was a shell script in spanish whose origin page is gone`
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`18:27.02`	`elephantMan`	`How can i uncompress a ".rar" file ?`
`18:27.04`	`goron`	`abrotman: Well, I am dependent of the vendor.`
`18:27.08`	`starshine`	`elephantMan: unrar`
`18:27.15`	`elephantMan`	`starshine, ok thanx a lot`
`18:27.19`	`abrotman`	`i thought there were free drivers for nforce2`
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`18:27.21`	`Elly\|irssi`	`I did everything dpkg said about the usb mouse support`
`18:27.25`	`Elly\|irssi`	`and it just doesn't work :(`
`18:27.36`	`goron`	`abrotman: there are, but they don't use all the hardware.`
`18:27.39`	`kspath`	`my same logitech trackballs and happy hacker keyboards work on my iBook and my x86 machines pure sweetness`
`18:27.48`	`abrotman`	`oh`
`18:27.50`	`goron`	`abrotman: (unless you know one that does)`
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`18:27.54`	`EdLin`	`!doesn't work`
`18:27.54`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.`
`18:27.57`	`Eulex`	`Elly\|irssi, remove and connect it and look in your dmesg -- what does it say?`
`18:28.00`	`sdakota`	`starshine: have you found out anything? :(`
`18:28.06`	`abrotman`	`goron: nope .. i avoid everything nvidia sells`
`18:28.13`	`starshine`	`<starshine> sdakota_xmasdinn: http://wiki.jones.dk/WikiSandBox see the bottom. "I thought it best to tar it because the selection file format is very sensitive." no kidding! good luck`
`18:28.21`	`rip`	`hey, is there a command in apt for me to check all currently installed packages?`
`18:28.30`	`abrotman`	`chekc them for what ?`
`18:28.38`	`starshine`	`sdakota: did you try the tarball they attached there?`
`18:28.42`	`daxxar`	`rip, dpkg -l\|grep ^ii`
`18:28.51`	`goron`	`abrotman: Does Debian have a recommended hardware list? I.e. stuff that works out of the box with Debian with all hardware features supported with Free drivers?`
`18:28.53`	`Elly\|irssi`	`New USB device, assigned address 6`
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`18:29.02`	`rip`	`thx`
`18:29.06`	`abrotman`	`goron: same as the linux one :) ..`
`18:29.09`	`tarzeau`	`goron: no fast opengl 3d works`
`18:29.10`	`Elly\|irssi`	`bulk_msg: timeout`
`18:29.11`	`Elly\|irssi`	`=\`
`18:29.15`	`tarzeau`	`goron: and freebsd 5.4`
`18:29.19`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: mine is fast enough!`
`18:29.21`	`tarzeau`	`goron: and gnu/hurd has a hardware list too`
`18:29.31`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: for www.mtp-target.org with free drivers? i doubt`
`18:29.50`	`starshine`	`goron: the generic response is "if it's two years old and was pretty popular your chances are quite good"`
`18:29.52`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: in debian ?`
`18:29.55`	`goron`	`Where's "the linux one"?`
`18:30.05`	`Elly\|irssi`	`aha`
`18:30.13`	`Elly\|irssi`	`I re-plugged it and /etc/init.d/usbmgr start`
`18:30.19`	`Elly\|irssi`	`and now the mouse moves when I start gdm!`
`18:30.23`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: is that the other game you packaged ?`
`18:30.23`	`Elly\|irssi`	`but the keyboard doesn't :(`
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`18:30.32`	`EdLin`	`abrotman: Debian isn't just GNU/Linux`
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`18:30.48`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: i'm aware of this`
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`18:30.57`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: still not. opencubicplayer is a music player`
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`18:31.08`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: no, it's not in debian, it needs libnel`
`18:31.10`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: that's your other package ? but not yet in testing ?`
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`18:31.25`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: xdms currently, all the others are in testing`
`18:31.31`	`Elly\|irssi`	`so guys`
`18:31.33`	`Elly\|irssi`	`USB keyboard?`
`18:31.35`	`Elly\|irssi`	`!usb keyboard`
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`18:31.38`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: #bub-n-bros ?`
`18:31.39`	`Elly\|irssi`	`!keyboard`
`18:31.39`	`dpkg`	`A keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/, or or ask me about "keyboard specialkeys"`
`18:31.48`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: that's not me packaging it, but panthera (this year! really!)`
`18:31.53`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: wait .. so i can't even compile it ?`
`18:32.01`	`sdakota`	`Starshine: No, I was away. I'll check it now.`
`18:32.02`	`Elly\|irssi`	`!usb`
`18:32.02`	`dpkg`	`usb is, like, (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html`
`18:32.04`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: which? bub-n-bros.sf.net is python`
`18:32.33`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: mtp`
`18:32.42`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: it comes precompiled`
`18:33.00`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: wait .. i'll try .. stellarium and gltron are both fine on my machine`
`18:33.00`	`mindCtrl`	`Does anyone know the command to configure xfree86 server`
`18:33.07`	`Elly\|irssi`	`anyone...USB keyboards?`
`18:33.10`	`goron`	`abrotman: is this the best list around? http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/`
`18:33.11`	`tarzeau`	`!drx`
`18:33.12`	`dpkg`	`[drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5>`
`18:33.15`	`tarzeau`	`mindCtrl: for you`
`18:33.23`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: bubbles later?`
`18:33.36`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: sure , i'm #nethack'ing right now. telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015`
`18:33.41`	`mindCtrl`	`tarzeau: Im trying to get a gui up`
`18:33.47`	`elephantMan`	`Should i use 'mplayer-586 or -386' ?`
`18:33.55`	`abrotman`	`goron: it's fairly up to date .. or so it seems`
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`18:34.02`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: it won't run .. pile of crap you recommend`
`18:34.12`	`elephantMan`	`On a x86 P4 box`
`18:34.19`	`Eulex`	`elephantMan, -586`
`18:34.23`	`debian_pwnz`	`686`
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`18:34.27`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: it works.`
`18:34.30`	`lekvar`	`elephantMan: it's working? are you using sid?`
`18:34.33`	`elephantMan`	`686 doesn't exist`
`18:34.37`	`debian_pwnz`	`mplayer-686 calls 586`
`18:34.38`	`elephantMan`	`I am using 'testing'`
`18:34.43`	`estel`	`hi, is openoffice2 and k3b available for debian testing?`
`18:34.46`	`elephantMan`	`ah ok thanx a lot everyone`
`18:34.46`	`takatumi`	`abrotman: what doesn't work?`
`18:34.47`	`lekvar`	`i couldnt get mplayer installed in testing a few weeks ago`
`18:34.48`	`debian_pwnz`	`unless they changed the packages`
`18:34.51`	`debian_pwnz`	`use 586`
`18:35.13`	`MacNamera`	`does someone know a free webserver with >50mb webspace?`
`18:35.29`	`Shortz`	`nah, i dont do free ones, i just use my dedi`
`18:35.43`	`kspath`	`MacNamera: apache on your machine?`
`18:35.46`	`Shortz`	`as they say, you get what you pay for`
`18:35.51`	`abrotman`	`takatumi: libcurl2 is not in etch`
`18:36.02`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: you pick the worst damn games .. i'm not creating a login to test it ..`
`18:36.02`	`goron`	`abrotman: yes, but it doesn't state the properties of those cards, nor does it state whether Supported means "Completely supported".`
`18:36.07`	`MacNamera`	`I got one, which had 250mb`
`18:36.14`	`debian_pwnz`	`MacNamera, install apache and configure /etc/apache/httpd.conf`
`18:36.18`	`MacNamera`	`but now it is asking for money`
`18:36.25`	`abrotman`	`goron: depends what you mean for supported ..`
`18:36.27`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: checked the 30mb video yet?`
`18:36.28`	`lekvar`	`Hey I've been having a problem during install and operation of testing, where for some reason it doesn't find my network card. I'm looking for ideas on how to diagnose the issue.`
`18:36.29`	`debian_pwnz`	`then go to dyndns.org and get a webforwarding for your ip`
`18:36.43`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: find another game!`
`18:36.43`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: it's the source of deepest joy and fun!`
`18:36.46`	`Shortz`	`or no-ip.com`
`18:36.47`	`lekvar`	`I can trick it into using the network card but the detection is done wrong.`
`18:36.49`	`Shortz`	`:)`
`18:36.58`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: fine .. give me your login :)`
`18:37.01`	`MacNamera`	`I just want to put some noaa sat. images on it`
`18:37.07`	`takatumi`	`lekvar: load the right module with modprobe`
`18:37.07`	`Eulex`	`lekvar, what network card and what chipset does it have... and is it wired or wireless?`
`18:37.08`	`debian_pwnz`	`dyndns has 'better' names to pick from`
`18:37.12`	`goron`	`abrotman: I mean whether all features of the hardware are implemented in the drivers and userspace tools.`
`18:37.30`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: nah! well the login is gurkan, but create one, anyuser, anypassword`
`18:37.33`	`kspath`	`MacNamera: doesnt noaa have their own site?`
`18:37.35`	`MacNamera`	`I have one free server now, but it has some problems in their servers`
`18:37.44`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: too much work.. find another game!`
`18:37.52`	`navinRjohnson`	`i like my no-ip.com .servebeer name...`
`18:37.55`	`MacNamera`	`you get reconnected to some strange sites`
`18:37.58`	`lekvar`	`taktumi - that's part of the trick, but what's weird is that doing a 2.6 install at least, it winds up thinkig i've got a firewire network device, which i dont (16 bit pcmcia ee2000 network card)`
`18:38.01`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i play nethack.... did you ever ascend?`
`18:38.15`	`debian_pwnz`	`i like *.dontexist.com`
`18:38.18`	`MacNamera`	`yes they have, but they do not show pictures/images with APT`
`18:38.26`	`lekvar`	`Eulex: Same results with a 16 but Xircom card or a 16 bit ee2000 card`
`18:38.26`	`abrotman`	`goron: well .. pretty much figure anything that's recent from ATI/nVidia won't have full support with open drivers .. though i understand they're working on that`
`18:38.27`	`debian_pwnz`	`i have drugs.dontexist.com and bungs.dontexist.com`
`18:38.28`	`debian_pwnz`	`ehehe`
`18:38.29`	`kspath`	`MacNamera: 1&1 prices are SO low it is scary did you even look at them?`
`18:38.32`	`takatumi`	`lekvar: alt-F2 for shell, tweak away.`
`18:38.37`	`Elly\|irssi`	`meh`
`18:38.42`	`Elly\|irssi`	`why is the mouse so slow =\`
`18:39.04`	`MacNamera`	`kspath: 1&1?`
`18:39.04`	`debian_pwnz`	`because its little`
`18:39.13`	`debian_pwnz`	`why are cheetas really fast?`
`18:39.22`	`sifi`	`Elly\|irssi, Google: SafeSearch:mouse`
`18:39.22`	`lekvar`	`Eulex: It's got something to do with hotplug or acpi or something. Even though the bootup turns off acpi because the machine's too old, dmesg still shows what appears to be acpi startup activity. In particular complaints about shpchp not loading (I dont even know what shpchp IS)`
`18:39.33`	`abrotman`	`debian_pwnz: because they're food is fast`
`18:39.42`	`abrotman`	`err thier`
`18:39.52`	`abrotman`	`bah .. i give up`
`18:39.55`	`debian_pwnz`	`hehe`
`18:40.04`	`navinRjohnson`	`to get to the other side?`
`18:40.07`	`kspath`	`MacNamera: huge hosting company they have huge adds in various techie magazines/journals/periodicals`
`18:40.08`	`Eulex`	`lekvar, and what type of cards are those?`
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`18:40.11`	`debian_pwnz`	`lol`
`18:40.14`	`debian_pwnz`	`this isn't a chicken joke man`
`18:40.17`	`martynas`	`how to remove the first line from the pipe?`
`18:40.25`	`Eulex`	`lekvar, btw, 16-bit? 16-bit pcmcia?`
`18:40.27`	`kspath`	`-adds +advertisements`
`18:40.32`	`abrotman`	`martin0: maybe head or tail ?`
`18:40.45`	`lekvar`	`Eulex: yea they're in a cardbus slot but im pretty sure they're just 16 bit cards`
`18:40.48`	`debian_pwnz`	`i found the best operating system of all...`
`18:40.51`	`MacNamera`	`1and1.com`
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`18:41.28`	`lekvar`	`Eulex: I dont have any 32bit cards to try to compare. i think something's up with the software that manages that. i get the impression 2.6 deals differently with 32 and 16 bit cards`
`18:41.48`	`Eulex`	`lekvar, tried the 2.4 kernel?`
`18:41.55`	`MacNamera`	`hmmm...it is not free :0(`
`18:42.00`	`MacNamera`	`:-(`
`18:42.02`	`tarzeau`	`god damn ants`
`18:42.06`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: play bubbles?`
`18:42.08`	`debian_pwnz`	`ahaha`
`18:42.11`	`lekvar`	`Eulex: THe end result, once i modprobe stuff in, and agree that i have a "firewire" card, is that I wind up having to ifup the interface instead of it properly activating on bot`
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`18:42.31`	`kspath`	`MacNamera: unless you are homeless their prices are not too much`
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`18:42.34`	`lekvar`	`maybe it's a bug in discover?`
`18:42.35`	`debian_pwnz`	`i have not seen ants since i went to bangalore`
`18:42.43`	`Eulex`	`lekvar, so it does work?`
`18:42.56`	`Eulex`	`lekvar, just not loading?`
`18:43.06`	`lekvar`	`Eulex: Yes. IIRC the 2.4 install found the card but the resulting system still requires an ifup.`
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`18:43.19`	`Eulex`	`lekvar, just put the module name in /etc/modules then`
`18:43.21`	`debian_pwnz`	`!iirc`
`18:43.22`	`lekvar`	`Eulex: When the system boots, it double-beeps indicating it's found the card...`
`18:43.22`	`dpkg`	`IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly"`
`18:43.28`	`MacNamera`	`kspath: I know, but I prefer a free one`
`18:43.28`	`debian_pwnz`	`aahh`
`18:43.30`	`khodam`	`Moeen, abrotman, alsa works perfectly! (I checked being in the audio group as well) Thanks you guys so much`
`18:44.11`	`kspath`	`MacNamera: I prefer ones that pay me to use their services`
`18:44.15`	`khodam`	`abrotman, now I am enjoying it with now exceptions ;)`
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`18:44.22`	`lekvar`	`debian_pwnz: I'm admitting modest confidence in my recollection. I don't remember if I let the 2.4 install just run itself, or whether I modprobed drivers`
`18:44.22`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: joined?`
`18:44.34`	`abrotman`	`khodam: any other issues ?`
`18:44.56`	`debian_pwnz`	`lekvar, what exactly is the problem`
`18:45.16`	`debian_pwnz`	`sorry to hav jumped in themiddle there, if you don't retelling`
`18:45.17`	`goron`	`abrotman: yes, I heard stories of them trying to get the NForce5 to be free.`
`18:45.19`	`debian_pwnz`	`mind*`
`18:45.22`	`mindCtrl`	`Does anyone know the command to configure xfree86 server?`
`18:45.32`	`khodam`	`abrotman, well nothing important. Thanks a lot`
`18:45.33`	`debian_pwnz`	`dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`
`18:45.39`	`abrotman`	`khodam: ok . have fun`
`18:45.42`	`rip`	`how do I edit the sources.list? I tried using kate and kwrite through console (kwrite etc/apt/sources.list), but they don't open up the sources.list`
`18:45.47`	`tarzeau`	`!drx`
`18:45.48`	`dpkg`	`i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5>`
`18:45.48`	`mindCtrl`	`debian_pwnz: thanks`
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`18:45.51`	`abrotman`	`rip: vi ?`
`18:45.58`	`lekvar`	`debian_pwnz: Odd behavior installing etch on a thinkpad 600e, and incorrect (but close) config in resulting system.`
`18:46.00`	`abrotman`	`goron: doubtful`
`18:46.03`	`tarzeau`	`rip: i'd use emacs`
`18:46.10`	`tarzeau`	`rip: or mcedit`
`18:46.17`	`blondie`	`vi`
`18:46.21`	`tarzeau`	`don't listen to abrotman`
`18:46.23`	`navinRjohnson`	`nano -w`
`18:46.32`	`debian_pwnz`	`nano kicks ass`
`18:46.37`	`blondie`	`vim`
`18:46.38`	`Eulex`	`rip, ya, nano is pretty easy to use for console newbs`
`18:46.40`	`blondie`	`vim++`
`18:46.41`	`blondie`	`:P`
`18:46.46`	`psychonate`	`nano is easier to use, but vim is better :)`
`18:46.53`	`kspath`	`vim uber alles`
`18:46.54`	`rip`	`I'l try, then I'm assuming kwrite and kate can't edit the sources.list?`
`18:46.56`	`debian_pwnz`	`especially nano with syntax highlighthing`
`18:47.04`	`debian_pwnz`	`i couldn't ask for more`
`18:47.07`	`abrotman`	`rip: not if you're not root`
`18:47.08`	`goron`	`abrotman: all those businesses hang together by NDA's. So, I will believe it when I see it.`
`18:47.22`	`lekvar`	`debian_pwnz: Doing the straight-up 2.6 etch install, the hardware detection won't find the pcmcia card until I modprobe its driver manually - BUT what it thinks it finds is firewire ethernet. I have to go along with this to get the install to proceed.`
`18:47.34`	`EdLin`	`rip: they might if you run them with sux or gksu`
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`18:47.44`	`debian_pwnz`	`lekvar, yeh, i don't see a way around either`
`18:47.59`	`EdLin`	`rip: /etc/apt/sources.list is r/o except for root`
`18:48.08`	`Eulex`	`lekvar, just add the module name to /etc/modules and it will be loaded automatically upon boot...`
`18:48.12`	`lekvar`	`I don't understand why it'd think I've got a firewire ethernet interface. This machine doesn't even have firewire.`
`18:48.24`	`rip`	`k let me try using nano`
`18:48.30`	`navinRjohnson`	`i've had to remove the firewire ethernet module to get my pci card to work before`
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`18:48.43`	`debian_pwnz`	`doh`
`18:48.51`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: i'm plain'`
`18:49.07`	`raden`	`would using a actual video card instead of my integrated one help my cpu temp ?`
`18:49.14`	`tarzeau`	`odla: join?`
`18:49.17`	`abrotman`	`goron: or you could support companies that do a better job helping open source`
`18:49.19`	`khodam`	`Moeen, are you still there?`
`18:49.34`	`Eulex`	`raden, no, it would probably do the reverse`
`18:49.47`	`abrotman`	`blondie: and still here!`
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`18:49.54`	`sleeper_`	`how do i use "find" to find all the *.pdf in /files ?`
`18:49.58`	`blondie`	`spying`
`18:50.10`	`tarzeau`	`sleeper_: find /files -name "*.pdf"`
`18:50.10`	`Eulex`	`sleeper_, man find`
`18:50.22`	`abrotman`	`takatumi: you're a DD right ?`
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`18:50.30`	`lekvar`	`I guess I'll go read debian-laptop for a while and see if I can find anything...`
`18:50.47`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i dont' think so`
`18:50.59`	`sleeper_`	`tarzeau: does it look into the sub-folders ?`
`18:51.02`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: DD's don't have time to play the fun games`
`18:51.06`	`tarzeau`	`sleeper_: yes`
`18:51.09`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: you do`
`18:51.12`	`DrNach`	`I'm getting this error in SDL apps: open /dev/[sound/]dsp: No such file or directory Is this stored in a file somewhere so I can fix it?`
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`18:51.23`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i'm not a DD`
`18:51.37`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: from what i know they play gtetrinet, and some do nethack`
`18:52.00`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: a little of that .. uhm .. Battle for .. Elnor?`
`18:52.04`	`abrotman`	`wait .. what is it called ?`
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`18:52.16`	`sleeper_`	`tarzeau: doesn't work. i have pdf files and none is listed`
`18:52.21`	`gravity`	`abrotman: Wesnoth?`
`18:52.30`	`tarzeau`	`sleeper_: are they called .PDF ?`
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`18:52.36`	`tarzeau`	`sleeper_: then you're doing something wrong`
`18:52.45`	`abrotman`	`gravity: yes .. thank you`
`18:53.04`	`goron`	`abrotman: A hardware list would be nice for just that... When I bought this computer I wasn't aware of the vendor-lockin problem, and only searched for whether is worked, not how.`
`18:53.38`	`abrotman`	`goron: live and learn i suppose`
`18:53.51`	`sleeper_`	`tarzeau: there is a lot of sub-dires there and the command ends too fast. maybe i need -maxdepth ?`
`18:54.00`	`tarzeau`	`sleeper_: or \| less`
`18:54.06`	`khodam`	`op Moeen`
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`18:54.30`	`sleeper_`	`tarzeau: i mean it doesn't show anything. it doesn't seem to be recusrsive`
`18:54.38`	`tarzeau`	`sleeper_: it is`
`18:54.55`	`tarzeau`	`sleeper_: maybe you do something completely wrong`
`18:55.05`	`EdLin`	`DrNach: try if you're using ALSA, modprobe snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss.`
`18:55.07`	`khodam`	`Moeen, kheily mamnun, va khoda hafez`
`18:55.11`	`tarzeau`	`!folder`
`18:55.11`	`dpkg`	`folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.`
`18:55.12`	`navinRjohnson`	`shouldn't startx generate an .Xauthority file?`
`18:55.14`	`EdLin`	`DrNach: if that works, add them to your /etc/modules`
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`18:56.16`	`navinRjohnson`	`i'm slogging thru the xauth manpage and the FAQ...`
`18:56.32`	`DrNach`	`EdLin, yep that did it thanks :)`
`18:56.36`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: i was asking takatumi because i thought he might know about koshbot`
`18:56.56`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: what's that?`
`18:57.08`	`EdLin`	`DrNach: another thing is to apt-get libsdl1.2debian-alsa`
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`18:57.56`	`abrotman`	`?? hi`
`18:57.58`	`koshbot`	`hi[x]: No defenition found for word.`
`18:57.59`	`EdLin`	`DrNach: then you won't need to do that for SDL aps, and SDL may take advantage of ALSA features`
`18:58.08`	`DrNach`	`okay`
`18:58.46`	`goron`	`abrotman: I honestly think that the typical public using an Open System can spend their time better on using it, rather than browsing a thousand websites for comparing every possible hardware item and checking out experiences with the products. Of course you can't change anything about this this very instant, but I assume you agree with me that something like linuxprinting.org (but better) would be very nice.`
`18:59.41`	`abrotman`	`goron: it's hard to keep track .. companies change chips without changing model numbers`
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`19:00.07`	`goron`	`abrotman: I didn't know that.`
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`19:00.45`	`pmitros`	`Quick question: What does one need to do to make a Debian CD (I.E. compatible with cdrom: in /etc/apt/sources.list) from security.debian.org?`
`19:00.57`	`DrNach`	`I'm having another problem, things work fine in X, but if I try to go to Ctrl+Alt+F1 or one of those, my monitor tells me sync out of range, how can I control the sync rages for those terminals?`
`19:01.33`	`navinRjohnson`	`i feel stupid...touch .Xauthority;xauth generate :1`
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`19:01.41`	`g3brown`	`I'm getting a long pause at bootup on MTA. Not sure why, but I'm wondering if it has something to do with the madeup domain name I have of 'localdomain' trying to be resolved. Anyone been through this before?`
`19:01.46`	`navinRjohnson`	`yay!`
`19:02.14`	`Tenkawa`	`Anyone got a way to workaround apt-file breakage in unstable>`
`19:02.24`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: what are you trying to do? If you're trying to not have to download security updates, make a CD with the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives and everything you've downloaded you won't have to download again.`
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`19:02.39`	`goron`	`Is there some way to build all the dependencies of a certain package without building the package?`
`19:02.54`	`goron`	`(and without fetching the sources)`
`19:03.00`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: that is, if you copy the debs back to that directory`
`19:03.24`	`EdLin`	`goron: apt-get build-dep`
`19:03.50`	`pmitros`	`edlin: I'm going to Africa. I'm taking a Debian CD set with me to install on computers there. I have a burn of the official 14 CD release of the current stable, but I'd like to have security updates as well. The university has a 256kbps/64kbps down/up connection for the whole school, so downloading from there is not viable.`
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`19:04.35`	`goron`	`EdLin: yep, you are right. I /msg'ed dpkg in the meanwhile.`
`19:04.58`	`navinRjohnson`	`hasta all...and merry christmas or festivus or whatever...`
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`19:05.36`	`pmitros`	`edlin: I don't know what packages they'll need, so I'd like all of security.debian.org. I also would like to be able to ship new updated CDs later, so I'd like a reasonable way to make it.`
`19:06.00`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: about the best I know is what I suggested, of course if there are additional upgrades you can't take care of that.`
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`19:06.53`	`nesys`	`advice about partition: tot 320Gb, how much for /tmp and swap?`
`19:06.54`	`pmitros`	`edlin: I want all the packages on security.debian.org; not just the ones I have installed on this machine (I.E. in /var/.../archives/)`
`19:07.04`	`nesys`	`and mab`
`19:07.07`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: it's entirely possible to update your system with limited bandwidth. I'm on dial-up and with a Debian Sarge DVD I have the security.debian.org updates, before the kernel update, were about 8 megs - less than a half hour.`
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`19:07.18`	`nesys`	`and maybe /var/log ?`
`19:07.47`	`pmitros`	`edlin: There are thousands of students sharing a 256kbps connection. That is much, much slower than dialup.`
`19:08.08`	`paulswm`	`nesys: How much physical memory, and are you planning to use /tmp a lot, or mounting tmpfs on /tmp?`
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`19:08.28`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: then upgrade the computers when the students aren't there.`
`19:08.31`	`Eulex`	`pmitros, at least you won't block your phone line, and you can let it run overnight`
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`19:08.34`	`pmitros`	`edlin: Downloading there is not viable.`
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`19:10.15`	`streuner`	`EdLin: those X packages in s.d.o are more than 8 MB ;-)`
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`19:11.38`	`EdLin`	`streuner: r1 has been released, so you don't have to worry about that for now.`
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`19:12.33`	`DrNach`	`where are the settings for the terminals (Ctrl+Alt+F1 to Ctrl+Alt+F6) stored?`
`19:13.08`	`Eulex`	`DrNach, umh? depends on your window manager/desktop environment`
`19:13.31`	`DrNach`	`Eulex, well KDE is working fine for me, but when I go into one of those, my monitor says sync out of range`
`19:13.39`	`pmitros`	`edlin, eulex: The university has 24,000 students, and a 64/256kbps connection. Downloading there is not viable. Only times when there are no students is winter and summer break, when I will not be there. Anything I bring, I need to download in advance.`
`19:14.42`	`Eulex`	`DrNach, ah, you mean the consoles? terminals are those you can launch inside X`
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`19:14.51`	`DrNach`	`yes I mean the consoles`
`19:15.31`	`Eulex`	`DrNach, you could try using vesafb -- just add VGA=whatever (google for a list of modes) to your kernel boot options`
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`19:15.49`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: were you able to get www.mtp-target.org to run?`
`19:15.54`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: it's easier on windows`
`19:15.59`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: i don't have a login!`
`19:16.02`	`Eulex`	`pmitros, ouch. is it even possible to browse the net in that situation?`
`19:16.09`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: if you can't make security updates but once every six months or less, you might as well give up on that altogeather. Several packages a week are found to have security flaws.`
`19:16.14`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: you don't need version two`
`19:16.19`	`abrotman`	`huh ?`
`19:16.24`	`pmitros`	`edlin: I can. I can mail CDs.`
`19:16.26`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: and on network play just enter anything, it creates an account`
`19:16.31`	`bucky`	`DrNach, in /etc/inittab i think`
`19:16.33`	`bizkit`	`on my tv out i used HorizSync 30-50 and a VertRefresh 60, now i attached another TV and the screen is flickering like hell, any ideas? i played around with the settings and increased the ranges, no success. any ideas?`
`19:16.35`	`bbrazil`	`DrNach: look at whichever package owns 'loadkeys'`
`19:16.36`	`abrotman`	`i don't want to!`
`19:16.40`	`pmitros`	`edlin: But first I need to figure out how to make those CDs`
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`19:16.52`	`pmitros`	`eulex: Effectively, no.`
`19:16.57`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: like the intarweb needs more abrotmans`
`19:17.02`	`debian_pwnz`	`Better impaled than Crucified`
`19:17.04`	`debian_pwnz`	`die quickly, hurts less too i bleieve`
`19:17.04`	`pmitros`	`eulex: you can't get to their web site most of the time, at least.`
`19:17.21`	`Eulex`	`pmitros, heh`
`19:17.23`	`DrNach`	`well, how do I remove a module which is in use? I'm thinking radeonfb might be causing it`
`19:17.43`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: I already told you how to make a CD that has everything you've downloaded since installation.`
`19:17.46`	`bucky`	`rmmod radeonfb`
`19:17.59`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: if you have practically no network connectivity you don't have to worry about security problems for the most part.`
`19:18.05`	`pmitros`	`edlin: Sure. But I want everything on security.debian.org for the i386 architecture.`
`19:18.05`	`DrNach`	`bucky, that won't do it, it refuses to`
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`19:18.10`	`sep`	`DrNach, you cant remove it while it is in use. ie stop whatever is using it`
`19:18.14`	`DrNach`	`I need something that won't have it load during the next reboot`
`19:18.14`	`pmitros`	`edlin: That's mostly true.`
`19:18.28`	`DrNach`	`sep, my video card is using it, how exactly does one stop the video card?`
`19:18.35`	`pmitros`	`edlin: It'd still be nice to take along, if there's a reasonable way to make it.`
`19:18.37`	`bucky`	`DrNach, put radeonfb in /etc/hotplug/blacklist and reboot`
`19:18.45`	`agon`	`hello, someone is using debian testing and irssi 0.8.10 ?`
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`19:18.57`	`Eulex`	`!anyone`
`19:18.57`	`dpkg`	`Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>`
`19:19.13`	`agon`	`kay`
`19:19.16`	`bucky`	`agon, yes someone is`
`19:19.24`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: if you're about to go now, 3.1r1 has been patched very recently.`
`19:20.07`	`pmitros`	`edlin: Leaving Dec. 29, so yes. It should be mostly good. It's not a viable long-term strategy, though.`
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`19:20.42`	`agon`	`I use debian testing and when i try to compile it i have that following error message " checking for C compiler default output file name... * glibc detected * malloc(): memory corruption: 0x08064aa8 *** configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables". The config.log is here : http://www.creepit.com/config/log`
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`19:21.00`	`pmitros`	`Oh well. Guess no one knows.`
`19:21.02`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: you won't be doing security upgrades for a year or so, whether that's a year or a year and a week makes little difference.`
`19:21.03`	`agon`	`I test my mem with memtest all and everything is ok`
`19:21.19`	`Eulex`	`!wayc agon`
`19:21.19`	`dpkg`	`agon: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get?`
`19:21.23`	`pmitros`	`edlin: I can mail CDs regularly. That's not a problem. I just need an efficient way to make those CDs.`
`19:21.23`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: either way security-wise you're screwed`
`19:21.31`	`bucky`	`agon, why don't you apt-get it?`
`19:21.32`	`pmitros`	`edlin: I'm not staying in Africa.`
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`19:22.01`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: I suspect if you spyder s.d.o you'll be banned.`
`19:22.07`	`cmdKeen`	`.msg dpkg info furefox sid`
`19:22.10`	`agon`	`when i apt-get install irssi-text i have that version, Get:1 ftp://ftp.proxad.net testing/main irssi-text 0.8.9-3.1`
`19:22.12`	`cmdKeen`	`.msg dpkg info firefox sid`
`19:22.30`	`pmitros`	`edlin: I can spider debian.lcs.mit.edu/security. I have a gigabit connection to there.`
`19:22.31`	`Eulex`	`cmdKeen, /msg dpkg info firefox sid, thank you`
`19:22.32`	`cmdKeen`	`SORRY`
`19:22.53`	`bucky`	`agon, apt-get update first`
`19:23.04`	`bucky`	`i have version 0.8.10-1 in testing`
`19:23.31`	`Eulex`	`bucky, came in today+`
`19:23.39`	`Eulex`	`s/+/?/`
`19:23.41`	`pmitros`	`edlin: Although I'd really only like to grab the i386 binary packages, as well as the appropriate information to make apt happy with it.`
`19:23.43`	`agon`	`i did and nothing bucky`
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`19:23.56`	`Eulex`	`bucky, no, 8.9-3.1 is in testing`
`19:24.01`	`bucky`	`agon, read the apt-get how to`
`19:24.19`	`Eulex`	`bucky, ah, might be that my mirror is a bit slow...`
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`19:24.38`	`Manny`	`hi :)`
`19:24.45`	`agon`	`it seems i'am not the only one =)`
`19:24.48`	`pmitros`	`Oh well. I'll try to figure it out on my own.`
`19:24.53`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: I don't know if it'd work, but you could, as a brute-force method, put the resulting debs in /var/cache/apt/archives. The only problem is the system will still have to make a network connection to security.debian.org`
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`19:25.03`	`Eulex`	`bucky, no, 0.8.9-3.1 is in testing: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=irssi-text`
`19:25.18`	`Manny`	`I want to download a package using apt-get, ignoring broken deps. I use apt-get -d -m install, and apt-get returns "E: Broken packages"`
`19:25.20`	`bucky`	`hmm.. maybe i got it from unstable`
`19:25.25`	`pmitros`	`Sorry. I didn't think anyone was answering. Repeat?`
`19:25.36`	`bucky`	`there wasn't any irssi in testing for a while`
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`19:26.26`	`psychonate`	`bucky, still no K3B in Testing heh`
`19:26.36`	`bucky`	`yeah.. that's ok with me`
`19:26.53`	`agon`	`yea so`
`19:26.58`	`agon`	`whats the solution :)`
`19:26.59`	`psychonate`	`I can live without it, but I like it more than the other GUI burning apps.`
`19:27.00`	`abrotman`	`psychonate: try arson ?`
`19:27.11`	`psychonate`	`abrotman, that's actually what I use for now :)`
`19:27.20`	`psychonate`	`abrotman, it seems to do alright most of the time`
`19:27.24`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: I don't know if it'd work, but you could, as a brute-force method, put the resulting debs in /var/cache/apt/archives. The only problem is the system will still have to make a network connection to security.debian.org`
`19:27.26`	`abrotman`	`psychonate: gnomebaker!`
`19:27.52`	`psychonate`	`abrotman, I tried it briefly, but I wasn't satisfied; don't remember why. I assume it lacked some feature that I wanted.`
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`19:28.00`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: I was thinking though if you made a local mirror....`
`19:28.10`	`Eulex`	`agon, it should be pretty easy to get irssi 0.8.10 from unstable. btw, do you really need the latest one?`
`19:28.18`	`abrotman`	`psychonate: in sarge or etch ?`
`19:28.33`	`Manny`	`20:25:06 <Manny> I want to download a package using apt-get, ignoring broken deps. I use apt-get -d -m install, and apt-get returns "E: Broken packages"`
`19:28.37`	`pmitros`	`edlin: Local mirror would probably be the right thing, if they have a machine to spare. I don't know if they will.`
`19:28.44`	`bucky`	`agon, get the one from unstable.. it works good`
`19:28.44`	`psychonate`	`abrotman, I like my burning apps to have at least the following: m3u playlist support for burning audio CDs, normalize, decoding of mp3 and vorbis (FLAC as a bonus), and DVD burning`
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`19:28.58`	`psychonate`	`abrotman, Etch`
`19:29.06`	`agon`	`Eulex: no i dont need it, but i dont like when i can compile somthing for myself with that strange message error`
`19:29.27`	`abrotman`	`psychonate: dunno .. seems fine to me .. but your list is longer than mine ... Burn ISOs, Burn Data :)`
`19:29.36`	`agon`	`bucky: sutpid question, can i just install it from unstable and then readd my testing mirror in my sources.list ?`
`19:29.49`	`bucky`	`agon, yep`
`19:29.58`	`agon`	`ok`
`19:30.09`	`Manny`	`even -f doesn't help`
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`19:30.28`	`psychonate`	`abrotman, I think it might've been the m3u support. But I opened it up just now and it seemed to work alright with an m3u I gave it. I guess I'll have to give it a try for my next burn.`
`19:30.54`	`EdLin`	`pmitros: it's not a question of having a machine doing nothing but being a mirror, Linux is multitasking. :-)`
`19:31.07`	`krod`	`Hello, is there any way to limit number of process and mem usage by a group?`
`19:31.29`	`Eulex`	`agon, what is line 2438 in ./configure? and can you compile the small program that failed yourself and try it?`
`19:31.29`	`psychonate`	`abrotman, I don't see any evidence of normalize though :(`
`19:31.31`	`abrotman`	`psychonate: yay`
`19:31.40`	`abrotman`	`psychonate: it's a CD .. not statistics`
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`19:32.06`	`Manny`	`fink seems to provide patches for apt-get: http://www.google.com/search?q=apt-get%20ignore-breakage&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8`
`19:32.10`	`Manny`	`:/`
`19:32.16`	`psychonate`	`abrotman, er, I'm not following you :(`
`19:32.18`	`pmitros`	`edlin: Sure. I have no idea what reception Debian will get when I get there. I'm taking across a hardware/software package that uses it, that they'll use on a few machines. Whether it will spread or not (or whether significant numbers of people use it) remains to be seen.`
`19:32.21`	`takatumi`	`abrotman: I am not a DD.`
`19:32.41`	`psychonate`	`wtf is a DD?`
`19:32.45`	`Eulex`	`!dd`
`19:32.45`	`dpkg`	`i guess dd is man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd`
`19:32.47`	`Manny`	`apt-get + broken-deps = PITA! :(`
`19:32.53`	`psychonate`	`oh heh`
`19:32.57`	`EdLin`	`DrNach: Chanukah somayach`
`19:32.58`	`Oryn`	`dd rocks :)`
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`19:33.05`	`DrNach`	`EdLin, thanks`
`19:33.15`	`abrotman`	`takatumi: so i've been told`
`19:33.25`	`abrotman`	`takatumi: i was asking because the koshbot has a /whois of vorlon`
`19:33.27`	`krod`	`is there any way to limit number of process and mem usage by a group?`
`19:33.36`	`DrNach`	`bbrazil, the blacklist didn't seem to do anything, it still loaded it`
`19:33.52`	`agon`	`Eulex: line 2438 is " (eval $ac_link_default) 2>&5 "`
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`19:34.11`	`agon`	`brb`
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`19:34.33`	`DrNach`	`time to reboot again...`
`19:35.19`	`EdLin`	`Manny: Chanukah is mentioned in the Talmud`
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`19:35.34`	`pmitros`	`Okay. I'll poke at it a bit more myself. Thanks.`
`19:35.47`	`agon`	`Irssi 0.8.10-rc5 (20041018) - http://irssi.org/`
`19:36.12`	`agon`	`strange`
`19:36.13`	`Manny`	`oh well, if it is mentioned, it has relevance, but it is not associated with some liturgy in synagogues, is it?`
`19:36.31`	`agon`	`the date missmatch, didnt it ?`
`19:36.55`	`EdLin`	`Manny: the prayer "al hanissim" is said during Chanukah`
`19:37.08`	`agon`	`bucky: /sv ? :p`
`19:37.21`	`bucky`	`what`
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`19:37.36`	`EdLin`	`Manny: also Hallel is recited`
`19:37.44`	`agon`	`can you type /sv please ?`
`19:37.45`	`psychonate`	`My friend's hdd died, and it made me realize how sad I would be if mine died, because I keep no backups. Maybe I should invest in another harddrive and a raid setup :(`
`19:37.47`	`abrotman`	`Manny: wrong thing`
`19:37.49`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: I'm in, game still on?`
`19:37.50`	`agon`	`it says version info`
`19:37.51`	`psychonate`	`Is that difficult to setup?`
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`19:37.57`	`bucky`	`agon, irssi 0.8.10 (20051211 0941) :P`
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`19:37.59`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: gaaa, ok let me join`
`19:38.05`	`tarzeau`	`odla: wake up man!`
`19:38.07`	`agon`	`ok`
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`19:38.10`	`agon`	`it sucks hard`
`19:38.13`	`Eulex`	`tarzeau, /me joins too`
`19:38.31`	`tarzeau`	`Eulex: great!`
`19:38.37`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: HEY THE GOLDEN DRAGON IS MY DRAGON!`
`19:38.38`	`Eulex`	`tarzeau, how do you set your nick, btw?`
`19:38.45`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: pick anotehr color IMMEDIATELY!`
`19:38.52`	`tarzeau`	`Eulex: in the configuration in the browser`
`19:38.54`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: heh`
`19:39.07`	`cmdKeen`	`ohad, what are you playing/doing ?`
`19:39.10`	`Eulex`	`tarzeau, ah`
`19:39.32`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net #bub-n-bros`
`19:39.45`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: a bubble bobble redone for 10 players over the network, up to 3 local`
`19:40.00`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: ok, how do I change colors?`
`19:40.06`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: more than 5 bonus game levels. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/bubnbros/`
`19:40.11`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: don't worry i'm green now`
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`19:41.13`	`tarzeau`	`Eulex: HAHAHA :)`
`19:41.16`	`tarzeau`	`odla: you miss all the fun, man`
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`19:42.24`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, may I join ? (after compilation) ?`
`19:42.40`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: sure`
`19:42.43`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: no need to compile, python`
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`19:43.00`	`tarzeau`	`7 slots left, 92 levels left`
`19:43.08`	`tarzeau`	`well actually there's 300 more levels`
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`19:44.52`	`agon`	`ok`
`19:44.54`	`agon`	`Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/`
`19:44.57`	`agon`	`nice :d`
`19:45.06`	`tarzeau`	`RichiH: and you?`
`19:45.31`	`agon`	`last question bucky, if i want to have --enable-ssl and --proxy whats the command line for apt-get ?`
`19:45.58`	`MoLoot`	`anyone use sid on a regular basis?`
`19:46.04`	`tarzeau`	`MoLoot: yes`
`19:46.09`	`tarzeau`	`!popcon`
`19:46.09`	`dpkg`	`Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
`19:46.10`	`bkhl`	`Does anyone have suggestions for doing DVD backups in Linux besides k9copy? It keeps crashing on me.`
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`19:46.29`	`jantje`	`Hi guys, init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl , anyone seen this before?`
`19:46.46`	`MoLoot`	`just changin this box over from unstable to testing... figured I'd live on the edge for a while`
`19:46.48`	`abrotman`	`only on my toilet`
`19:46.58`	`MoLoot`	`erm, the other way around`
`19:47.18`	`nesys`	`paulswm I don't kno`
`19:47.19`	`nesys`	`w`
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`19:47.35`	`nesys`	`paulswm I think not a lot (/tmp)`
`19:47.43`	`powadha`	`not much of an edge on unstable`
`19:47.51`	`casandra_17`	`:)`
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`19:49.24`	`tarzeau`	`SHEEP. LOL`
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`19:50.05`	`powadha`	`sooo, we all seem to have a louzy christmas ;)`
`19:50.18`	`abrotman`	`we do >`
`19:50.19`	`abrotman`	`?`
`19:50.35`	`powadha`	`well, what are you doning here ;)`
`19:50.51`	`abrotman`	`what makes you think i'd rather be doing something else ?`
`19:50.56`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: are you the blue one?`
`19:50.57`	`powadha`	`true`
`19:50.59`	`agon`	`i dont know how to put some line for compliation in apt-get install command?`
`19:51.17`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, afaik yes:]`
`19:51.24`	`abrotman`	`agon: compile what ?`
`19:51.24`	`MoLoot`	`Listening to Chris Rock and playing on my boxen. Nothing much else I'd really want to do... already pigged out :)`
`19:51.33`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: funny, isn't it? :)`
`19:51.45`	`agon`	`abrotman: irssi, --enable-ssl --with-ssl`
`19:51.49`	`powadha`	`I'll stick to Kaiser Chiefs`
`19:51.52`	`abrotman`	`oh .. gotcha`
`19:51.57`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, hehe, I am trying to find out controls and goal of the game... :-P`
`19:52.13`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: goal is to eat all fruits, kill friend dragons, bubble monsters , pick all bonus items`
`19:52.29`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: controls are , klick your dragon, away, chooose a new one, it shows little animation for which you press the key`
`19:52.56`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: get someone else from your family (mom, aunt, sister) and give her some place on the keyboard...`
`19:53.11`	`powadha`	`that sounds weird ;)`
`19:53.25`	`agon`	`abrotman: got an idea?`
`19:53.37`	`abrotman`	`nope`
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`19:53.58`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, I;d love to but my family is anti-comptuerized;)`
`19:54.14`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: all moms love cute things!`
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`19:54.58`	`EdLin`	`!any ideas?`
`19:54.58`	`dpkg`	`Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and 42 rabid kittens. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours!`
`19:55.04`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, my mom don't like anything on-screen... how can I rename myself ?`
`19:55.22`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: exit game, in the browser go settings... i don't remember , but there's #bub-n-bros`
`19:55.27`	`powadha`	`are you showing your mom the right things?`
`19:55.39`	`tarzeau`	`powadha: you also join? http://bub-n-bros.sf.net`
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`19:56.37`	`powadha`	`looks like a game I'm not capable of doing right now...have bookmarked it though`
`19:56.48`	`powadha`	`thanx for the invite`
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`19:57.49`	`sdakota`	`Starshine: Back...`
`19:58.00`	`sdakota`	`starshine: Have you got any luck yet..? I'll check the tarball`
`20:00.27`	`tarzeau`	`LEMMINGS. LOL`
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`20:02.09`	`omry`	`recenlty the menu of GTK apps got a black background. why, oh why?`
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`20:02.55`	`omry`	`seen it on two debian desktops,`
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`20:03.34`	`krod`	`is there any way to limit number of process and mem usage by a group?`
`20:03.44`	`krod`	`by a user group*`
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`20:04.09`	`moret`	`hi people :D`
`20:04.37`	`MUSHi`	`Having some problems with cryptsetup after upgrading it and libdevmap1.02 from libdevmap1.01. Now I get the following messages when trying to mount my encrypted partitions.`
`20:04.39`	`MUSHi`	`root@pengy:~# cryptsetup create backup /dev/hdb1`
`20:04.39`	`MUSHi`	`Command failed: Invalid argument`
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`20:04.55`	`MUSHi`	`Running Debian Unstable`
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`20:05.11`	`MUSHi`	`cryptsetup pkg is not working`
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`20:05.23`	`bizkit`	`!bts`
`20:05.24`	`dpkg`	`bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/`
`20:05.28`	`MUSHi`	`anymore`
`20:05.31`	`EdLin`	`MUSHi: run reportbug`
`20:05.37`	`com-0`	`is there any support for quicktime for vlc`
`20:05.38`	`com-0`	`?`
`20:05.42`	`MUSHi`	`ok`
`20:06.07`	`com-0`	`i'm trying to play some mov files on my debian box, but i couldn't open any!`
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`20:06.23`	`EdLin`	`MUSHi: running apt-listbugs is a good protection against this kind of thing.`
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`20:06.39`	`satHan`	`com-0: add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main to your sources.list and install w32 codecs`
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`20:06.51`	`MUSHi`	`f-ck`
`20:06.51`	`MUSHi`	`http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=344313`
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`20:10.23`	`MUSHi`	`it's allready in bugsystem. Wonder if they even tested the package before commitment`
`20:11.11`	`scarynetworkguy`	`com-0: It's all about the codecs. Take them off of a windows box and drop them in the right place on your Debian box and Fanny will be your aunt and Robert will be your uncle. And no I'm not goint to handhold you through doing this so don't even bother asking.`
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`20:12.50`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: we have to wait for the other dragons to rescue us`
`20:12.55`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: COVER ME`
`20:13.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 566] by debhelper`
`20:13.03`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: how can I make my bub screen bigger?`
`20:13.04`	`tarzeau`	`Eulex: go go go!`
`20:13.21`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: no idea, lower the fullscreen pixels, see x configuration, ctlr-alt-+/- on numpad`
`20:13.34`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: come rescue us, we can't go out'a here`
`20:14.01`	`cmdKeen`	`yep, help poor Keen and tarzeau`
`20:14.06`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: it wasn't a rescue, suicide!`
`20:14.17`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: i don't want to lose my triple bubble`
`20:14.17`	`starshine`	`sdakota: still stuck? I found this linked from the progeny stuff "automating install using preseeding" http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apb.html`
`20:14.28`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: that i was so grateful to also give the other dragons with the bubble glue`
`20:14.54`	`Eulex`	`tarzeau, hehe`
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`20:15.32`	`omry`	`GTK apps got black menu as of recent dist-upgrade. anyone knows how to fix that?`
`20:15.36`	`omry`	`black menus`
`20:16.08`	`cmdKeen`	`how can I multiple bubble ?`
`20:16.11`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: you should've bubble the fast bubble bonus item and then picked it`
`20:16.16`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: pick the glue`
`20:16.47`	`com-0`	`satHan, i've done that but still vlc does not work with mov files`
`20:17.11`	`tarzeau`	`GET THE WAND`
`20:17.13`	`tarzeau`	`LOL`
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`20:17.49`	`scarynetworkguy`	`com-0: What codecs do you have?`
`20:18.08`	`com-0`	`i've done, apt-get install w32codecs`
`20:18.18`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: I jumped, couldn't reach. :)`
`20:18.19`	`scarynetworkguy`	`com-0: See what I told you above. :)`
`20:18.28`	`com-0`	`no windowz`
`20:18.31`	`cmdKeen`	`I finally what do these godlike DD do in free time:]`
`20:18.42`	`cmdKeen`	`s/finally/finally know/`
`20:19.16`	`blondie`	`still doesn't make sense c.c`
`20:19.37`	`com-0`	`do you have them?`
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`20:21.42`	`Eulex`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:21.58`	`tuv`	`esd-alsa is giving me a hard time.. every login after a reboot hangs and i have to kill esd multiple times to complete the login`
`20:21.58`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: go middle`
`20:22.01`	`tarzeau`	`and give me bubbles`
`20:22.42`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: thanks :)`
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`20:22.58`	`eguzkia`	`hello`
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`20:23.02`	`cmdKeen`	`oh, sorry.. nex time:]`
`20:23.03`	`eguzkia`	`merry christams`
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`20:23.21`	`Kraig`	`besides pornview, what's another good picture viewer?`
`20:23.25`	`tuv`	`if i use esd with oss emulation no other app is allowed to access oss`
`20:23.26`	`tarzeau`	`Kraig: feh`
`20:23.29`	`tarzeau`	`Kraig: it's the best`
`20:23.31`	`Kraig`	`i'd like something really light`
`20:23.32`	`Kraig`	`ok`
`20:23.34`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: where are the crazy bonuses?`
`20:23.54`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: shall we play bonus only ?`
`20:23.56`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: i'm really too tired after so many bubbles and levels ...`
`20:24.02`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: really give me a break`
`20:24.05`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: sure. \o/`
`20:24.13`	`tarzeau`	`Eulex: you got the ring!`
`20:24.17`	`eguzkia`	`someone can explain to why alsa doesen't work ?`
`20:24.25`	`tarzeau`	`Eulex: play nethack or read lord of the rings?`
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`20:24.40`	`Eulex`	`tarzeau, eh? both`
`20:25.48`	`Kraig`	`thanks`
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`20:25.59`	`sdakota`	`starshine: Thanks! (just got back again)`
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`20:26.38`	`starshine`	`sdakota: I have to leave soon but I sure hope it does the job`
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`20:26.47`	`sdakota`	`starshine: Yea, me too`
`20:27.00`	`tuv`	`do you people use esd with alsa or oss or don't use it at all?`
`20:27.07`	`tarzeau`	`tuv: alsa or oss`
`20:27.22`	`tarzeau`	`tuv: and also bsd and lsd`
`20:27.25`	`tarzeau`	`but esd sucks`
`20:27.33`	`tuv`	`tarzeau: i'm using alsa`
`20:27.43`	`eguzkia`	`someone can explai to me why alsa lost configuration?`
`20:27.44`	`tuv`	`tarzeau: it sure does, but no alternatives so far`
`20:27.52`	`starshine`	`tuv: I've used it with either one. I've got my system setup so that it's easy to turn esd off.`
`20:27.54`	`tarzeau`	`tuv: alsa?`
`20:28.06`	`tarzeau`	`tuv: alternatives for what?`
`20:28.19`	`tuv`	`tarzeau: alternative for esd. yes alsa. libesd-alsa`
`20:28.30`	`dvs`	`tuv: ALSA exclusively`
`20:28.36`	`tarzeau`	`starshine: i've got speakers in all my rooms :)`
`20:28.43`	`tarzeau`	`starshine: so wherever i go, my music comes with me`
`20:28.55`	`tuv`	`dvs: what do you mean? what's wrong with using esd over alsa??`
`20:29.10`	`sdakota`	`starshine: Hmm - It's for preseeding before the installation of a distribution. :(`
`20:29.13`	`dvs`	`tuv: Don't need it. It's unnecessary`
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`20:29.23`	`starshine`	`tarzeau: does it follow your bluetooth key or something ? :)`
`20:29.32`	`sdakota`	`starshine: It will supply the needed information though : The preconfiguration file is in the format used by the debconf-set-selections command.`
`20:29.43`	`tuv`	`dvs: don't need esd you mean? well i want it. or at least something that will do its functionality`
`20:29.43`	`starshine`	`sdakota: the only part you need is th config :D`
`20:29.49`	`tarzeau`	`NOOOO`
`20:29.58`	`tarzeau`	`don't kill the last monster when someone picks the CACTUS!!!!`
`20:30.00`	`starshine`	`tarzeau: lol`
`20:30.01`	`tarzeau`	`gaaaa NOOOBIE dragons`
`20:30.01`	`dvs`	`tuv: What functionality?`
`20:30.10`	`sdakota`	`starshine: for example, it uses d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US`
`20:30.12`	`tuv`	`dvs: sounds for events`
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`20:30.25`	`anynomous`	`I want to listen to expirienced GNU/Linux people, talking about soundblaster audigy SE and a tv-tuner based on the phillips chip "SAA7133".`
`20:30.56`	`anynomous`	`Pinnacle PCTV 40i`
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`20:30.59`	`staniel_laptop`	`hello`
`20:31.02`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: you mean Debian GNU, it's not specific to linux`
`20:31.08`	`starshine`	`events like "my best friend just returned to the channels after holiday" ?`
`20:31.24`	`anynomous`	`dvs : But it gets annoying to not watch TV, without sound, in the long run.`
`20:31.26`	`eguzkia`	`someone knows slmodedemd ?`
`20:31.27`	`starshine`	`or events like "I moved the mouse, should the cat chase it?"`
`20:31.31`	`Eulex`	`hmm, that would have been kinda impossible without that xtend...`
`20:31.34`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, you dragon slazyer:]`
`20:31.40`	`staniel_laptop`	`it seems that my mouse no longer 'works' in xorg.... it just disappeared`
`20:31.40`	`sdakota`	`starshine: I have no idea what the question is called in / / / thingies`
`20:31.45`	`takatumi`	`Eulex: don't get too far ahead, heading for a smoke, need to catch you.`
`20:31.49`	`staniel_laptop`	`no x restart or anything`
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`20:31.54`	`dvs`	`anynomous: I have sound, just not sounds for computer events`
`20:32.01`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : Yeah. . I gave these cards to my father, and I hoped they would work with his Debian GNU/Linux Sarge box!`
`20:32.06`	`Eulex`	`takatumi, ok`
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`20:32.11`	`starshine`	`sdakota: maybe it describes a way to capture them, or which files in the debconf backend to look at to find out`
`20:32.11`	`BeOSMrX`	`hey, this is an odd shot but I am doing a complex thing with wget and I have been confused, so could someone care to lend a hand`
`20:32.20`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : Kinda trying to get them to work, right now.`
`20:32.22`	`cmatheson_`	`!tell BeOSMrX about anyone`
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`20:32.29`	`tuv`	`dvs: this does not justify that there is no reliable "sounds for events" daemon. esd hangs my desktop every time i login after a reboot and i have to kill it`
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`20:32.39`	`staniel_laptop`	`anyway to fix that?`
`20:32.41`	`sdakota`	`starshine: I hope there is some verbose tag to dpkg-reconfigure to make it tell me what the question is called`
`20:32.41`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: i've only had luck with bt-based tv cards`
`20:32.43`	`anynomous`	`tuv : That kinda sucks.`
`20:32.49`	`dvs`	`tuv: True but I just don't use it.`
`20:32.49`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: and all soundcards that just don't work SUCK`
`20:32.55`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : So, he should return the card?`
`20:32.59`	`tarzeau`	`replacing them is easier than anything else`
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`20:33.09`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: not even worth going back to where he picked it up from`
`20:33.11`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : OK .. what to buy instead?`
`20:33.15`	`BeOSMrX`	`I have to start a conversation first because I don't know how to explain in wget what I want to do`
`20:33.16`	`tarzeau`	`give it to the kid next door w/ windows`
`20:33.20`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: anything that works`
`20:33.24`	`tuv`	`anynomous, dvs: it sure does. but you don't use because you don't like it or because it doesn't work?`
`20:33.25`	`tarzeau`	`come on can't be that hard`
`20:33.33`	`dvs`	`tuv: both`
`20:33.46`	`BeOSMrX`	`this is a hard one, because this is an html file not a dir listing`
`20:34.06`	`starshine`	`sdakota: /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat might help ?`
`20:34.07`	`BeOSMrX`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:34.09`	`tuv`	`dvs: but why do we have something that doesn't work and doesn't seem to have any attention`
`20:34.10`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : Well, I was buying the card hoping it would be bt-based - the box didn't say so, and the guy selling me the card, was obviously ignorant about GNU/Linux.`
`20:34.21`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : It was christmas presents.`
`20:34.24`	`dvs`	`tuv: ask the maintainer`
`20:34.29`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: i'd replace the tv card if you can`
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`20:34.35`	`sdakota`	`starshine: .. I'll try`
`20:34.46`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : What brands do have the bt-based ones?`
`20:34.54`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, what's that lightning sign ?`
`20:34.58`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: the blizzard bubbles you can control, matters what way you make them go POOF`
`20:35.00`	`sdakota`	`starshine, it seems that man 7 debconf is helping quite a lot too`
`20:35.02`	`dvs`	`anynomous: LeakTek for one`
`20:35.03`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: makes a blizzard`
`20:35.10`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: to kill bubbles and monsters`
`20:35.12`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : This one is a pinacle. (I am surprised that phillips chips are not supported btw. There is loaded a kernel module for the chip)`
`20:35.16`	`tuv`	`dvs: i'm trying to find out if anyone is having the same problem or it's just me. i could be missing something you know`
`20:35.32`	`anynomous`	`!audigy`
`20:35.32`	`dpkg`	`well, audigy is a fairly new series of soundcards from Creative, it is supposedly supported in the CVS version of the "emu10k1" drivers from opensource.creative.com, or http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=9091&group_id=44773, or ask me about alsa`
`20:35.36`	`dvs`	`tuv: This is the right place to ask`
`20:35.37`	`hackeron`	`offtopic but can someone recommend a voip provider that can be paid by paypal and has cheap calls to israel and/or russia? (incoming not important).`
`20:35.38`	`BeOSMrX`	`you know if someone would like to priv me I would really like that`
`20:36.03`	`sdakota`	`starshine: It seems I can use the noninteractive way, so that apt will never ask the user any questions`
`20:36.04`	`anynomous`	`dvs : Thanks!`
`20:36.25`	`tuv`	`so let me do that again, does anyone have any problems with esd over alsa hanging the desktop during login?`
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`20:36.42`	`BeOSMrX`	`allright then no one help me.`
`20:37.03`	`drivamgr2006`	`i got a prob. got a steam coming in which i want to listen to but dont know which codec to get for it. The type appears as x-ms-wvx...not sure what it is or what plays it!`
`20:37.09`	`drivamgr2006`	`^stream`
`20:37.29`	`bizkit`	`perhaps a wmv?`
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`20:37.51`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: i've gotten a book for christmas`
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`20:38.05`	`dvs`	`anynomous: no problem`
`20:38.09`	`tarzeau`	`4 years ago it was irssi to replace xchat`
`20:38.13`	`Jinkguns`	`Does debian use GCC 4.0.1 with a clean install? :)`
`20:38.24`	`tarzeau`	`Jinkguns: there's also 4.1 in exp.`
`20:38.31`	`tarzeau`	`Jinkguns: you mean a stable install?`
`20:38.38`	`Jinkguns`	`Yes. Stabl.e`
`20:38.43`	`Eclipser`	`stable has 3.3.5 I think`
`20:38.45`	`Jinkguns`	`I'm hoping its 3.x`
`20:38.47`	`Jinkguns`	`YAY.`
`20:38.48`	`Eclipser`	`by default`
`20:38.48`	`Jinkguns`	`;)`
`20:38.56`	`drivamgr2006`	`bizkit - tried listening with a player that supports wmv though, yet no pic or audio`
`20:39.12`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : Which book?`
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`20:39.31`	`bizkit`	`drivamgr2006: use mplayer from a shell and have a look at the output`
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`20:39.34`	`Jinkguns`	`I'm trying to install GXSM http://gxsm.sourceforge.net/ and the devs do all the development on debian and I'm about to give up on gentoo.`
`20:39.38`	`tanja`	`I dont have close minimize maximize buttons!! What is wrong ?`
`20:39.48`	`bizkit`	`tanja: who needs them?`
`20:39.51`	`drivamgr2006`	`aha. can mplayer hook to a url stream?`
`20:39.53`	`anynomous`	`tanja : They're missing!`
`20:39.56`	`sdakota`	`can I use dpkg-preconfigure to answer all questions, then make it save a file, and put that file in some kind of directory on another computer to prevent that that computer asks the question again?`
`20:39.59`	`bizkit`	`drivamgr2006: sure`
`20:40.03`	`tanja`	`bizkit, me :)`
`20:40.06`	`anynomous`	`tanja : Are you running KDE or GNOME?`
`20:40.11`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: ISBN 0-07-029325-2`
`20:40.12`	`drivamgr2006`	`thanks bizkit - will try that`
`20:40.13`	`tanja`	`anynomous, KDE`
`20:40.26`	`anynomous`	`tanja : Or prehaps WindowMaker/GNUStep?`
`20:40.28`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: there's luckily more than just KDE and GNOME`
`20:40.41`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : Yeah .. lots.`
`20:40.44`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: it's cool when people talk about GNUstep themselves :)`
`20:40.47`	`tanja`	`anynomous, iam using KDE`
`20:41.01`	`bizkit`	`!kde`
`20:41.01`	`dpkg`	`kde is probably a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde`
`20:41.03`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : Btw. is it easy to get bt-based cards working?`
`20:41.08`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: they just work`
`20:41.19`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: i've got like 3 of them, and i can even watch pay tv crap`
`20:41.21`	`anynomous`	`tanja : OK .. thats too bad. I wanted to help you, but I know not KDE well enough.`
`20:41.30`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: using xawdecode (if you need a copy i've got still some)`
`20:41.40`	`tanja`	`anynomous, its cool, tnx anyway`
`20:41.41`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : So, when you run "scantv" it finds the channels right away?`
`20:41.51`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: sure`
`20:41.57`	`elephantMan`	`I can't 'umount' a partition saying its busy...How do i know which process is using it ?`
`20:42.09`	`bizkit`	`tanja: join #debian-kde`
`20:42.18`	`sdakota`	`can I use dpkg-preconfigure to answer all questions, then make it save a file, and put that file in some kind of directory on another computer to prevent that that computer asks the question again? If so, How?`
`20:42.20`	`elephantMan`	`To kill the process and being able to unmount the partition`
`20:42.25`	`bizkit`	`elephantMan: fuser / lsof`
`20:42.31`	`drivamgr2006`	`easiest tv viewer to use with bt cards is tvtime, so easy to config it just needs a couple of click and you watch tv`
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`20:42.46`	`tarzeau`	`drivamgr2006: doesn't it a bit too much cpu?`
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`20:42.57`	`tarzeau`	`drivamgr2006: i'm with the classic xawtv`
`20:43.13`	`drivamgr2006`	`only with wrong deinterlacer tarzeau. i use motion adaptive - simple detection`
`20:43.15`	`tuv`	`does anyone use esd at all? doesn't look like it!`
`20:43.34`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : I tried that one. . but it finds no channels. I hope that changes when I replace the card.`
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`20:43.42`	`drivamgr2006`	`even worked on my old 500mhz AMD K6`
`20:43.43`	`tarzeau`	`tuv: heh :)`
`20:43.48`	`anynomous`	`tuv : Yes. I used it.`
`20:43.55`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: what says lspci about it?`
`20:43.57`	`dvs`	`anynomous: key word is "used"`
`20:44.02`	`tuv`	`anynomous: with alsa or oss?`
`20:44.08`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7133 Audio+video broadcast decoder (rev d0)`
`20:44.10`	`tarzeau`	`drivamgr2006: i should try it again i guess`
`20:44.14`	`elephantMan`	`bizkit, thanx but it returns only the name of my partition...not the name of the process i should kill`
`20:44.32`	`drivamgr2006`	`tarzeau: what processor and how much ram you have?`
`20:44.33`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : This is lsmod: soundcore 10336 2 saa7134,snd`
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`20:44.42`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: never seen that`
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`20:45.00`	`tarzeau`	`drivamgr2006: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz 512mb here on this machine at home`
`20:45.09`	`tarzeau`	`drivamgr2006: but i've also got powerpc, mips, sparc, ultrasparc and alpha`
`20:45.17`	`tarzeau`	`drivamgr2006: and memory ranging from 32mb to 4gb`
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`20:45.21`	`EdLin`	`sdakota: it should remember your choices and make them the new defaults.`
`20:45.29`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : video4linux has some threads about it. . but its not completely clear for me, if its supported by xawtv.`
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`20:45.34`	`bizkit`	`elephantMan: lsof +D /mnt/yourmountpoint (can take much time), have a look on the manpages of both`
`20:45.38`	`drivamgr2006`	`that should work fine tarzeau. i have 2.4 ghz 384 memory (DDR) and its like normal tv`
`20:45.41`	`usn`	`hi all`
`20:45.42`	`sdakota`	`EdLin: Yes, I know, but I'd like to save those to a file, and put that file on another computer.`
`20:45.48`	`drivamgr2006`	`Welcome to #debian usn`
`20:45.50`	`EdLin`	`sdakota: btw, that's "dpkg-reconfigure" not preconfigure`
`20:45.52`	`starshine`	`EdLin: he wants to make some other machine remember them the same way :)`
`20:45.53`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: it's not a matter of xawtv`
`20:46.17`	`sdakota`	`EdLin: Which makes me able to just preconfigure them once and make apt do the rest totally on itself on all other computers`
`20:46.24`	`sdakota`	`EdLin: No, it is dpkg-preconfigure.`
`20:46.42`	`elephantMan`	`bizkit, ok thanx a lot for your help`
`20:46.45`	`sdakota`	`EdLin: dpkg-reconfigure is for programs that are already installed and you want to reconfigure.`
`20:46.54`	`tarzeau`	`hahaha did you see me jump offscreen into the score list?`
`20:46.55`	`starshine`	`sdakota: what a great question for the Answer Gang, mind if I bug the linuxgazette people to help chase it down?`
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`20:47.06`	`sdakota`	`starshine: Ofcourse not ;)`
`20:47.07`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : Is there a way to find out if the card is supported? I never had a tv card before, so I might have done something wrong.`
`20:47.13`	`sdakota`	`starshine: Though I figured some things out...`
`20:47.21`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: make sure it is a hauppauge with bt848 or so`
`20:47.27`	`bizkit`	`elephantMan: in most cases, fuser -k /mountpoint will be enough to umount`
`20:47.27`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: most hauppauges just work`
`20:47.33`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: don't tkae anything else`
`20:47.35`	`sdakota`	`starshine: I've read a lot of man pages and a lot of websites... and I have some vague image in my mind about this`
`20:47.49`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: mine: 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 02)`
`20:47.52`	`drivamgr2006`	`anynomous: best of the cards of hauppauge ususally use bt848 or bt 878`
`20:47.58`	`EdLin`	`sdakota: sorry, my apologies`
`20:48.11`	`anynomous`	`drivamgr2006 : OK`
`20:48.56`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: not bad for a first-timer`
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`20:48.56`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, thanks, elder:]`
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`20:49.07`	`tarzeau`	`damn dragon picks all bonus away right afront my nose`
`20:49.15`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : I guess I want to avoid the USB ones?`
`20:49.21`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: definitely`
`20:49.21`	`cmdKeen`	`which one ?`
`20:49.25`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : (His computer doesn't support USB 2.0)`
`20:49.28`	`sdakota`	`starshine: There seems to be a way to set up a database, and there seems to be a way to setup Debconf to use this database as override database (which means, if this database knows about it, it overrides everything the general database knows) So I could put all answers under priority low in the database, then run the aptget with debconf level "normal"... that would work`
`20:49.29`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: don't remember`
`20:49.44`	`sdakota`	`starshine: The problem is - how to set up such a database like that ;)`
`20:50.11`	`sdakota`	`starshine: Maybe you can pull it out ... Check man 5 debconf.conf`
`20:50.44`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : Hauppage have many different kinda cards ... can you recommend any of them?`
`20:50.50`	`starshine`	`sdakota: there really is a dpkg-preconfigure app, it's only on path for root in my box..`
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`20:51.19`	`sdakota`	`starshine: I know, I've read a lot about it`
`20:51.30`	`sdakota`	`starshine: Yet, I still don't know how to get it to save to a file`
`20:51.39`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: no idea, i got mine from friends, see the lspci output i pasted`
`20:51.59`	`anynomous`	`tarzeau : I am not sure I understand the difference between them.`
`20:52.19`	`sdakota`	`I don't understand shit of the whole thing`
`20:52.24`	`EdLin`	`anynomous: I have WinTV Go and it works with tvtime, though on older kernels I had to add tuner=39 to the module bttv's parameter's manually.`
`20:52.28`	`sdakota`	`......................... >.<`
`20:52.31`	`EdLin`	`parameters*`
`20:52.48`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: did you see how?`
`20:52.56`	`tarzeau`	`Eulex: , let you bubble in, move to the others, explode`
`20:53.02`	`tarzeau`	`anynomous: i don't either`
`20:53.06`	`starshine`	`yeesh even santa doesn't fly around this much`
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`20:53.10`	`takatumi`	`cmdKeen: you beat me.`
`20:53.12`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, how what ?`
`20:53.21`	`DrNach`	`can someone please tell me how to remove a module that is in use?`
`20:53.22`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: kill the monster bubbles that are out of reach`
`20:53.26`	`starshine`	`this is too long a question for today, I'll catch back up with you later?`
`20:53.28`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: trick is to bubble-fly`
`20:53.33`	`dvs`	`DrNach: modprobe -r`
`20:53.40`	`drivamgr2006`	`bizkit: I tried the stream with player in comand line, but I get back an error. RTC Error - try adding echo > 1024 /proc/cpu/max-user-freq to your startup scripts`
`20:53.44`	`cmdKeen`	`takatumi, wow, finally:]`
`20:53.47`	`anynomous`	`EdLin : So which one is better?`
`20:53.49`	`starshine`	`sdakota: sorry I gotta run`
`20:53.58`	`sdakota`	`starshine: Ok :(`
`20:54.22`	`DrNach`	`dvs, that won't remove it, it gives a message it can't because it's in use`
`20:54.23`	`starshine_away`	`[poof]`
`20:54.39`	`anynomous`	`EdLin : Hmm .. seems they have not the wintv-go .. only wintv-go2 ...`
`20:54.41`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: quick GET THE BOTTLE`
`20:54.44`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: NOW NOW!`
`20:54.44`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, you men to jump on bubble or let yourself shot by dragon and fly ?`
`20:54.46`	`tarzeau`	`BONUS`
`20:54.49`	`EdLin`	`anynomous: A happauge PCI card is what you're looking for. I don't know about "better", I just got the cheapest PCI WinTV model.`
`20:54.53`	`dvs`	`DrNach: Then stop whatever's use it first. It's a bad idea to force it out if something is using the module`
`20:54.54`	`tarzeau`	`MULTIPLAYER TETRIS`
`20:55.01`	`Eulex`	`lol`
`20:55.12`	`EdLin`	`anynomous: I got mine over a year ago`
`20:55.26`	`drivamgr2006`	`I like to know one thing. Why does the debian package of Supertux 0.1.2 not have any music or sound with it?`
`20:55.29`	`DrNach`	`dvs, I need it out, I've been trying for hours to get it out, I don't care how it's out that as long as when I reboot, it's out`
`20:55.37`	`cmdKeen`	`LOOOOOOOL`
`20:55.43`	`EdLin`	`anynomous: hardware development goes at a breakneck pace, nowadays product life is about 6 months for anything.`
`20:55.52`	`cmdKeen`	`good goddes...`
`20:55.53`	`dvs`	`DrNach: If you're rebooting then you can blacklist it.`
`20:56.09`	`DrNach`	`dvs, I put it in the blacklist, it's still in the kernel after a reboot`
`20:56.09`	`takatumi`	`haha`
`20:56.16`	`tarzeau`	`damn did you ever play tetris ? :)`
`20:56.17`	`EdLin`	`drivamgr2006: I get music and sound.`
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`20:56.26`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: crazy fun with 10 players on the same field ;)`
`20:56.32`	`dvs`	`DrNach: Oh? It's compiled into the kernel?`
`20:56.37`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: now you ARE addicted`
`20:56.42`	`DrNach`	`dvs, no, but it refuses to leave`
`20:56.45`	`drivamgr2006`	`On my machine, music and sound are both greyed out in the options EdLin - i cannot select them`
`20:57.04`	`EdLin`	`drivamgr2006: if you're using ALSA you should get libsdl1.2debian-alsa`
`20:57.05`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, what does 'addicted' mean ? my egnlish.. ehm...`
`20:57.18`	`drivamgr2006`	`aha. Thanks Edlin`
`20:57.24`	`EdLin`	`drivamgr2006: it will make your SDL applications work`
`20:57.27`	`dvs`	`DrNach: Then I don't know what to do if blacklisting doesn't stop it.`
`20:57.28`	`SimonRaven`	`!dict addicted`
`20:57.30`	`dpkg`	`Dictionary 'addicted' (4 of 8): The land about is exceedingly addicted to wood, but the coldness of the place hinders the growth. --Evelyn. ;; That part of mankind that addict their minds to speculations. --Adventurer. ;; A man gross . . . and addicted to low company. --Macaulay. ;; His genius addicted him to the study of antiquity. --Fuller..`
`20:57.34`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: like a drug, you must do it, take it, play it`
`20:57.57`	`DrNach`	`does anyone know how to remove a module so Linux won't load it next reboot?`
`20:58.02`	`drivamgr2006`	`ty EdLin - now I know why half my alsa stuff isnt going right!`
`20:58.08`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, oh... yep, I am lost:]`
`20:58.41`	`anynomous`	`EdLin : SOunds like its the wintv-go2 I want, right? I am just confused .. they have so many models and so different pricing. I wonder what they expensive cards can, that the cheap ones can't.`
`20:59.32`	`EdLin`	`drivamgr2006: also add the modules snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss`
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`21:00.01`	`Eulex`	`gahn`
`21:00.05`	`Eulex`	`*gah`
`21:00.07`	`drivamgr2006`	`But I use alsa EdLin - do I need oss module? And where do I put them?`
`21:00.09`	`EdLin`	`drivamgr2006: that will activate oss emulation`
`21:00.12`	`drivamgr2006`	`Aha`
`21:00.18`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: trick is killing bubbles gives no points`
`21:00.19`	`EdLin`	`anynomous: I haven't really kept track of TV cards since I got mine`
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`21:00.28`	`tarzeau`	`Eulex: so keep the last monster a live or bubbled for more random bonuses`
`21:00.31`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, no ?!`
`21:00.36`	`EdLin`	`drivamgr2006: these aren't OSS modules, they are OSS emulation modules for ALSA`
`21:00.37`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: no, only the fruits ;)`
`21:00.45`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: so make sure others kill bubbles, you eat BANANAS`
`21:00.53`	`anynomous`	`EdLin : I take it the quality is satisfying?`
`21:00.57`	`EdLin`	`drivamgr2006: you don't "put" them anywhere, they are part of the kernel, modprobe them`
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`21:01.12`	`anynomous`	`EdLin : Just like a "real" TV, or better, right?`
`21:01.26`	`EdLin`	`anynomous: well, tvtime gives me a crystal-clear picture`
`21:01.52`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, extend ? what's that ?`
`21:01.56`	`EdLin`	`anynomous: occasionally there are minor syncing problems, but that's probably because of my old TNT2 video card.`
`21:02.15`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: get all EXTEND bubble letters and finish the level, kill all monsters`
`21:02.23`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: and some extra points in the range of 10-60k`
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`21:02.41`	`drivamgr2006`	`Well that was helpful. I just messaged dpkg to ask about modprobe, and it comes back, I guess its something you install modules with... No sht Sherlock!!!!!!!* - Is there a man page for modprobe???`
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`21:03.01`	`lekvar`	`How many of the non-netinst Sarge CDs do I need to do a 'standard' level installation?`
`21:03.11`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, oh. and about killing bubles... one bubble = 10p`
`21:03.15`	`EdLin`	`drivamgr2006: to find out if there is a manpage for something, use "man -k foo"`
`21:03.23`	`drivamgr2006`	`thanks EdLin`
`21:03.28`	`Eulex`	`sorry...`
`21:03.29`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: yes empty bubbles give 10 points`
`21:03.55`	`EdLin`	`lekvar: one`
`21:03.57`	`dvs`	`lekvar: It depends what you want`
`21:04.09`	`Eulex`	`whoa`
`21:04.22`	`cmdKeen`	`Eulex, are you allright ?`
`21:04.25`	`drivamgr2006`	`Guess I better get to work on that then. One quick question, EdLin - are those 2 modules apt-get 'able?`
`21:04.40`	`Eulex`	`cmdKeen, ya, just feeling about up'n'down :)`
`21:04.58`	`Eulex`	`*a bit`
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`21:05.14`	`lekvar`	`dvs - I want to separate the problems I'm having with the installer setting up my network device from the actual install.`
`21:05.40`	`sdakota`	`I need help from some real Debian (and debconf) experts now...`
`21:06.01`	`lekvar`	`dvs: It's a laptop but I don't see why I can't install those bits etc over the net`
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`21:06.51`	`dvs`	`lekvar: So you want to install enough of Debian so that you can install the rest later?`
`21:07.10`	`takatumi`	`lekvar: loading the correct module didn't work?`
`21:07.23`	`sdakota`	`I'm trying to prevent apt-get from asking some questions (actually, dpkg-preconfigure), and set default values for them.... I've figured out a lot already, but not enough... someone who can hand me to a tutorial or a manpage, or tell me how to do it?`
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`21:08.07`	`lekvar`	`it still doesn't set up right, regadless of which kernel I choose, and Im mystified as to why the firewire thing comes into it... i'm not crazy about installs that leave me mystified`
`21:08.14`	`Manny`	`I've got a package installed with broken deps. How can I tell dpkg/apt to ignore this during normal operation not regarding this package?`
`21:08.20`	`Manny`	`I've put it on hold already`
`21:08.37`	`dvs`	`lekvar: What do you mean "doesn't set up right"? What error messages do you get?`
`21:09.35`	`lekvar`	`dvs: If I just run the etch netinstaller (it's the second to most recent I think) with the normal 2.6, with or without acpi=off, it fails to "detect network hardware"...`
`21:09.55`	`takatumi`	`sdakota: try the developers-reference`
`21:10.04`	`dvs`	`lekvar: Wireless?`
`21:10.04`	`sdakota`	`takatumi: The what?`
`21:10.09`	`sdakota`	`!developers-reference`
`21:10.14`	`sdakota`	`!dev-reference`
`21:10.17`	`sdakota`	`!dev-ref`
`21:10.20`	`sdakota`	`...`
`21:10.29`	`Eulex`	`sdakota, use listkeys`
`21:10.30`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: don't kill the last monster`
`21:10.36`	`sdakota`	`Eulex: Listkeys?`
`21:10.39`	`lekvar`	`dvs: If I go to a shell and modprobe an apropriate pcmcia driver for either of my two cards, the installer winds up "detecting" firewire ethernet and offering to let me use it in the "unusual" event I really have such a thing... which I don't... but if I agree, it'll get the card going...`
`21:10.39`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: every level has at least 2-3 very funny bonus items`
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`21:10.43`	`Eulex`	`!listkeys dev`
`21:10.45`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'dev' by key (15 of 113): #kde-devel ;; /dev/cdrom ;; /dev/dsp ;; _default /dev/ethx ;; aleph-dev ;; aleph-dev-dselect ;; comerr-dev ;; dev task ;; devel docs ;; devfs doesn't work ;; devfs faq ;; devil__child ;; kdevelop kdevelop ;; mount: /dev/sdb2 ;; rdev.sh.`
`21:10.49`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, oh... sorry.`
`21:10.49`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: it's like when you have sex without orgams`
`21:10.58`	`sdakota`	`Eulex: OK`
`21:11.01`	`takatumi`	`sdakota: apt-cache show developers-reference`
`21:11.13`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, now I fully inderstand:]`
`21:11.19`	`tarzeau`	`or like nethack where you blessed genocide nymphs, succubi or "krankenschwestern"`
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`21:11.27`	`dvs`	`lekvar: And that doesn't work during the install process?`
`21:11.31`	`lekvar`	`dvs - no but it's the same with either of 2 cards aside from which driver I need to modprobe in`
`21:11.54`	`takatumi`	`sdakota: maybe not.`
`21:12.10`	`sdakota`	`takatumi: maybe not? :/`
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`21:12.28`	`Manny`	`or rather, it is not obvious how to achieve common tasks even after RTFM`
`21:12.32`	`cal`	`what version of NTPL is in debian stable?`
`21:12.44`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, we're just free... can't you call for reiforcenments or somethin ? ?`
`21:12.58`	`lekvar`	`dvs - Once installed, the resulting system won't bring up the network on boot as it should. Kernel 2.4 will double-beep as if the card was found, but I have to "ifup eth0". 2.6 doesn't even double-beep (or maybe it does with acpi=off), and I have to "ifup eth0" for that too...`
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`21:13.09`	`DrNach`	`dvs, I simply renamed the .ko file so now it can't load it, problem solved. However each time I boot, it still trys to load it, how can I stop it from attempting to load it?`
`21:13.12`	`sdakota`	`takatumi: I can find it in the developers reference?`
`21:13.41`	`takatumi`	`sdakota: not sure.`
`21:13.42`	`kspath`	`Manny: I have run and do run several OSs and a few distributions of linux things are not obvious without previous experience of some kind`
`21:13.47`	`lekvar`	`dvs: errors appear during bootup concerning acpi_shpchp, even though acpi senses the system's age and says it isn't starting`
`21:13.54`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen: watch out level 99 is BONUS ONLY ;)`
`21:13.57`	`lekvar`	`(does anyone know what shpchp even is?)P`
`21:13.59`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: join back in for uberbonus?`
`21:14.10`	`dvs`	`lekvar: If it works after you ifup eth0 then you should just be able to configure your /etc/network/interfaces file`
`21:14.20`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: tired dude, enjoy. :)`
`21:14.33`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: do you say that to your wife too?`
`21:14.47`	`dvs`	`DrNach: My answer was blacklisting but you said that didn't work so I don't know what else to use.`
`21:14.53`	`lekvar`	`dvs: Does this strike you or anyone as a bug in hwdetect or hotplug?`
`21:14.59`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: wife is asleep, pregnant too. :)`
`21:15.20`	`dvs`	`lekvar: hotplug would be a likely candidate.`
`21:15.22`	`DrNach`	`dvs, surely there is a place where what modules to load are listed, and not every not loaded module is in the blacklist`
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`21:15.28`	`kspath`	`Manny: your statements make me think you are looking at it through a filter of some kind of experience`
`21:15.39`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: are that long 9 months...`
`21:15.46`	`dvs`	`DrNach: the /etc/modules file lists the modules to be loaded explicitly`
`21:15.51`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: 5 to go.`
`21:15.51`	`sdakota`	`gtg`
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`21:16.10`	`dvs`	`DrNach: the hotplug package, if you have it loaded, could do that too.`
`21:16.25`	`DrNach`	`okay thanks`
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`21:16.44`	`dvs`	`no problem\`
`21:16.55`	`lekvar`	`Why would the installer fail to make the card function? There are obviously drivers to do so if it's possible for me to get it to happen, even if it does think it's firewire`
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`21:17.13`	`bucky`	`lekvar, what kind of card?`
`21:17.28`	`dvs`	`bucky: two cards`
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`21:18.12`	`bucky`	`if it's a marvell gigabit card it's not supported untill 2.6.11`
`21:18.17`	`lekvar`	`bucky: Same behavior with a xircom 16 bit card, and a Trendnet card (etherexpress chipset)`
`21:18.45`	`bucky`	`lekvar, which chipset on those cards?`
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`21:19.18`	`lekvar`	`bucky: the xircom card has a xircom chipset and the other has an etherexpress chipset`
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`21:20.02`	`tarzeau`	`Eulex, cmdKeen you two haven't seen the last uberfun bonus level right? 4 more to go`
`21:20.26`	`bucky`	`lekvar, modprobe eepro100 and kick it in the ass`
`21:20.26`	`Eulex`	`tarzeau, I have. it's crazy :)`
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`21:20.38`	`darkcmd`	`what is the bug reporting tool in debian called?`
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`21:20.52`	`paulswm`	`Yay, damog!`
`21:21.04`	`damog`	`paulswm: :)`
`21:21.33`	`lekvar`	`bucky: That's how I get the etch netinst w/ normal 2.6 kernel to go, but it thinks it's a completely different interface than it really is for some reason...`
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`21:21.56`	`lekvar`	`I'm going to burn the latest etch netinstaller and see if it does anything different. This might just be a transient issue.`
`21:21.58`	`bucky`	`lekvar, which version of debian?`
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`21:22.20`	`lekvar`	`bucky: etch`
`21:22.34`	`lekvar`	`bucky: I haven't tried a Sarge install on the system yet.`
`21:22.53`	`takatumi`	`lekvar: eth0 is firewire? maybe eth1 is the NIC`
`21:22.55`	`darkcmd`	`does anyone know what its called?`
`21:23.01`	`darkcmd`	`the bug reporting tool`
`21:23.08`	`lekvar`	`takatumi: There's no firewire on a Thinkpad 600e :)`
`21:23.08`	`darkcmd`	`shouldn't eth0 be a nic?`
`21:23.10`	`paulswm`	`!bts`
`21:23.10`	`dpkg`	`bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/`
`21:23.13`	`relic`	`takatumi, hehe`
`21:23.22`	`paulswm`	`darkcmd: ^^^^`
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`21:23.33`	`lekvar`	`takatumi: but the etch installer somehow gets the idea there's a firewire ethernet interface, once I modprobe the card's driver in`
`21:23.34`	`darkcmd`	`there was a tool that was reportbug`
`21:23.35`	`darkcmd`	`or something`
`21:23.51`	`paulswm`	`darkcmd: Like I said ^^^^^ I just displayed it for you`
`21:23.57`	`darkcmd`	`oh`
`21:23.59`	`takatumi`	`darkcmd: yes, that is in that factoid above.`
`21:24.02`	`darkcmd`	`oh ok`
`21:24.02`	`lekvar`	`takatumi: Which seems bizarre since isn't the network hardware detected BY trying to modprobe every driver in the list in?`
`21:24.04`	`darkcmd`	`thanks :D`
`21:24.09`	`paulswm`	`@gampsmack darkcmd`
`21:24.12`	`paulswm`	`!gampsmack darkcmd`
`21:24.13`	`darkcmd`	`its reportbug kinda like send-pr`
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`21:24.18`	`lekvar`	`What am I doing on the commandline that the installer isn't doing by itself anyway.`
`21:24.25`	`darkcmd`	`no not a gay midget`
`21:24.30`	`paulswm`	`darkcmd: heh`
`21:25.09`	`paulswm`	`takatumi: Merry Christmas :)`
`21:25.15`	`Eulex`	`lekvar, whatever you want`
`21:25.21`	`takatumi`	`paulswm: you too. :)`
`21:25.39`	`lekvar`	`netinstall is the only option with etch/testing, right?`
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`21:25.55`	`takatumi`	`paulswm: actually it's the 26th already here.`
`21:26.06`	`Manny`	`kspath, please, don't treat me like a newbie. I'm doing application development, and I'm not naive. But it's obvious that apt-get has no (man documented) option for overriding broken dependencies of a package I do not touch, i.e. which is not associated to the argument of the "install" command.`
`21:26.19`	`Eulex`	`lekvar, you install sarge, then you dist-upgrade to testing`
`21:26.56`	`Manny`	`third-party deps are quiet often broken wrt versions, and sometimes reference packages that are not provided by anybody, but where you have the corresponding libraries installed.`
`21:27.04`	`lekvar`	`Eulex: Right... I'm just trying to ascertain how many of them I need. I don't have 8 blanks left :)`
`21:27.04`	`paulswm`	`takatumi: Oh, sorry, don't know where you are :)`
`21:27.07`	`Zeube62`	`hello`
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`21:27.18`	`Manny`	`I just want to install them, and have their deps ignored by dpkg/apt-get.`
`21:27.23`	`takatumi`	`paulswm: Kuwait.`
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`21:27.28`	`Eulex`	`lekvar, you will probably just need the first 2-3 cds`
`21:27.30`	`Zeube62`	`french ?`
`21:27.39`	`nimak2`	`i want to play with the unstable kernel, will i die if i install it on testing?`
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`21:27.50`	`Manny`	`kspath, maybe the solution is to remove it from the database but keep the files installed?`
`21:27.50`	`nimak2`	`!fr`
`21:27.50`	`dpkg`	`Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr`
`21:27.56`	`paulswm`	`takatumi: Ah, well best wishes for 2006, then :)`
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`21:28.26`	`takatumi`	`paulswm: you too. :)`
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`21:31.30`	`darkcmd`	`ok`
`21:31.43`	`darkcmd`	`why do packages that have been fixed by the security team still have [security] on it`
`21:31.54`	`darkcmd`	`it makes users think that there is still a security advisory`
`21:32.32`	`tarzeau`	`cmdKeen, Eulex LOL thanks for the fun :)`
`21:32.47`	`Eulex`	`haha, I never thought I'd win... :)`
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`21:33.07`	`Eulex`	`I guess it was the quadrupler that did it`
`21:33.13`	`tarzeau`	`probably`
`21:33.14`	`paulswm`	`tarzeau: Someone told me that you are giving up computer games for 2006, or perhaps I dreamed it :P`
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`21:33.32`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: hah!`
`21:33.35`	`paulswm`	`Heh`
`21:33.38`	`cmdKeen`	`tarzeau, Eulex thanks for fun !`
`21:33.40`	`Manny`	`kspath, any ideas how I can make dpkg/apt-get entirely ignore a particular package. Maybe I can remove it from the database without removing its contents.`
`21:33.46`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: you know know if jennifer love hewitt visits me during new year`
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`21:33.59`	`Eulex`	`cmdKeen & tarzeau, thank you too :)`
`21:34.21`	`paulswm`	`tarzeau: heh, there's about as much chance of you giving up gaming as there is of me getting a visit from JLH :P`
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`21:34.28`	`relic`	`paulswm, especially, the da*n linux version of steam`
`21:37.13`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: i can stop playing games for months, but not years`
`21:37.53`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: i wish i wouldn't talk when i'm asleep`
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`21:38.01`	`paulswm`	`tarzeau: I am thinking of becoming a gamer in 2006 to justify building a dual core Opteron box :P`
`21:38.06`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: telling the wrong things can get any woman mad`
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`21:38.25`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: hah! take that 486 , enough for nethac`
`21:38.27`	`tarzeau`	`nethack`
`21:38.40`	`tarzeau`	`and you don't need more , since you don't use emacs, right?`
`21:38.58`	`darkcmd`	`tarzeau: I can't figure out how to quit emacs`
`21:38.59`	`paulswm`	`tarzeau: Don't say that, I need justification to build it, not justification to use a box from last century :P`
`21:39.39`	`tarzeau`	`darkcmd: #emacs`
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`21:40.12`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: from who? your girlfriend? let me tell her you'll spend more time with the computer than with her, and you won't ever get it!`
`21:40.21`	`nimak2`	`is there any possibility of a multi-arch debian netinstall disk? that would be a lot of usefullness in one cd`
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`21:41.08`	`paulswm`	`tarzeau: I just need to justify it to myself, and I don't have a girlfriend, but I do have a wife :)`
`21:41.29`	`Eulex`	`nimak2, wouldn't fit on one cd`
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`21:41.33`	`bizkit`	`so with a wife.. you're on the safe side :)`
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`21:41.50`	`tarzeau`	`bizkit: don't say that. you never are`
`21:42.09`	`nimak2`	`Eulex, just x86 and ppc?`
`21:42.40`	`FalscherHase`	`hi. i'm trying to get a graphics tablet to work. my question is: do i necessarily need some x driver for it or are there devices that work as generic hid, too?`
`21:42.43`	`nimak2`	`maybe x86_64`
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`21:42.46`	`paulswm`	`My wife never stops me from spnding money, so I behave responsibly the best I can`
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`21:43.36`	`Eulex`	`nimak2, I don't think it would be possible as there is one "mbr" on the cd and it contains machine code specific to the arch`
`21:43.43`	`paulswm`	`Anyway, later, hope everyone had/is having a very happy Christmas`
`21:43.43`	`EdLin`	`darkcmd: you never need to quit emacs, don't you know that? (control-x control-c)`
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`21:45.11`	`Eulex`	`nimak2, though x86 and x86_64 theoretically could boot off the same cd`
`21:45.12`	`bizkit`	`EdLin: sure, to start over vim`
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`21:45.23`	`bizkit`	`:p`
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`21:45.33`	`nimak2`	`Eulex, that would be interesting`
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`21:45.41`	`EdLin`	`bizkit: run VIPER ;-)`
`21:45.52`	`Eulex`	`nimak2, yep. probably complicated too though`
`21:46.40`	`Manny`	`kspath, ping`
`21:47.01`	`darkcmd`	`anyone experienced with emacs`
`21:47.02`	`ptlis`	`Hi, i've installed mySQL on a Debian box and i'm trying to log in to change the password & create some users, can someone tell me what the defaults are with debian?`
`21:47.10`	`darkcmd`	`what does M-`
`21:47.10`	`darkcmd`	`mean`
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`21:47.31`	`EdLin`	`darkcmd: alt or if that doesn't work esc`
`21:47.32`	`nimak2`	`Eulex, can grub run of a cd?`
`21:47.36`	`look`	`hello ppl :)`
`21:48.01`	`EdLin`	`darkcmd: EMACS = Esc Meta Control Shift`
`21:48.18`	`darkcmd`	`M-x erc-select so what does that mean?`
`21:48.28`	`kspath`	`Manny: ?`
`21:48.28`	`darkcmd`	`what is meta?`
`21:48.38`	`Eulex`	`nimak2, probably`
`21:48.43`	`EdLin`	`darkcmd: use the help faculties of Emacs to find out stuff like that`
`21:48.43`	`look`	`i have a security related question about apache2... should i chroot it? i mean, is it worth the hassle... how many of you ppl really run it chrooted on pub server? :)`
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`21:49.13`	`EdLin`	`darkcmd: on PC keyboards its usually "alt"`
`21:49.14`	`Manny`	`kspath, do you know any solution to my problem?`
`21:49.16`	`nimak2`	`Eulex, that would probably be able to do it`
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`21:49.22`	`darkcmd`	`ok`
`21:49.47`	`Eulex`	`nimak2, yeah, problem is that you would need two partitions or similar on the cd, and I dunno if that's possible`
`21:49.49`	`bizkit`	`look: well i chroot things like php and cgi stuff, but not apache itself`
`21:50.06`	`kspath`	`Manny: can you define "my problem" I was somewhat away for a while doing various things`
`21:50.26`	`Eulex`	`nimak2, maybe an early chroot could do it...`
`21:51.03`	`bizkit`	`look: dictate to run scripts as the user which owns the script/vhost and such..`
`21:51.14`	`kspath`	`Manny: I am not a super debian guru just in case it matters`
`21:51.41`	`look`	`look, hmm`
`21:51.46`	`look`	`i mean, bizkit :)`
`21:52.06`	`SerajewelKS`	`is it just me, or did the bittorrent tracker for the netinst ISO go down`
`21:52.12`	`Manny`	`kspath, "my problem" as of I was able to install a third-party package with broken deps using dpkg -i --force-all, put it on hold and now every time I try to use apt-get to modify the package DB, I get some error about unsatisfied deps where I should only get a warning. The deps don't have anything to do with the upgraded package.`
`21:52.20`	`Eulex`	`nimak2, or just change PATH and a few other things... to get the binaries from another place (pure data could be shared)`
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`21:52.46`	`look`	`bizkit, ok :)`
`21:52.54`	`Eulex`	`hmm`
`21:52.58`	`abrotman`	`Manny: they're still dependencies ... fix them if you can`
`21:53.23`	`Eulex`	`*about how`
`21:53.43`	`Luftzig`	`'lo everyone, I'd like some advice...`
`21:53.43`	`nimak2`	`Eulex, i'm not experianced enough to do anything myself, but ill throw the idea around`
`21:53.51`	`Manny`	`abrotman, why does apt-get care about it at all if it's on hold, doesn't touch any other package and I specify all force flags available`
`21:53.56`	`Eulex`	`nimak2, ok`
`21:54.33`	`look`	`bizkit, how would i go about chrooting php as i run it as dynamic apache2 module? shouldn't it need something like, running php as suexec or something?`
`21:54.38`	`Manny`	`equally, it can't download packages with broken deps, where the user is not able to force downloading, which is a quite restriction, considering that one might want to apt-get source it and build it right away`
`21:54.42`	`nimak2`	`whats up, Luftzig`
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`21:55.04`	`Eulex`	`!ask`
`21:55.04`	`dpkg`	`If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org`
`21:55.05`	`koshbot`	`hi I'm new to linux...can I ask a gentoo question here? gentoo is a derivative of debian, right?`
`21:55.23`	`tarzeau`	`koshbot: no. no.`
`21:55.25`	`Eulex`	`koshbot, I hope you're joking`
`21:55.26`	`tarzeau`	`!noob`
`21:55.26`	`dpkg`	`Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell.`
`21:55.29`	`drivamgr2006`	`!gentoo`
`21:55.29`	`dpkg`	`methinks gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg`
`21:55.37`	`bizkit`	`look: this is what i mean, and change the open_basedir per vhost and such. have a look on some security guides for apache2 and modules like php and cgi`
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`21:55.57`	`Luftzig`	`I have two hd's. one's 10 Gb big and partioned 4Gb fat for win2k and 6Gb ext3 for debian, the other is 32 (actually bigger) Gb fat32 to be shared by both systems,`
`21:56.18`	`Luftzig`	`But I want to get rid of the windows, as i have no use for it no more`
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`21:56.36`	`Eulex`	`Luftzig, try parted`
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`21:56.46`	`look`	`bizkit, ok, thanks! :)`
`21:56.53`	`Eulex`	`Luftzig, and mke2fs for the 32gb fat32 disk`
`21:57.19`	`hefty`	`hi`
`21:57.21`	`galois`	`can somone point me at a good guide for running samba on a debian system?`
`21:57.32`	`Eulex`	`!samba`
`21:57.32`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html)`
`21:57.48`	`galois`	`Eulex: thanks`
`21:58.06`	`Eulex`	`galois, yw`
`21:58.16`	`galois`	`Eulex: not too useful on the point I am researching, but still a good start :)`
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`21:58.18`	`abrotman`	`Manny: because it's still broken`
`21:58.27`	`Luftzig`	`Eulex, sounds fare, but parted is safe to use with non empty partions?`
`21:58.49`	`bizkit`	`galois: i can't think of a better documentation than http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/`
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`21:59.23`	`Eulex`	`Luftzig, it should be. you might have to use a live cd though, as it's dangerous to modify already mounted partitions`
`21:59.38`	`EdLin`	`Manny: if you want to build a source package, apt-get build-dep first`
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`22:00.17`	`Luftzig`	`Eulex, ok... just to be on the safe side, what should backup, as my space for backups is temporery and limited...`
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`22:00.37`	`Eulex`	`Luftzig, everything you care about, if possible`
`22:00.40`	`galois`	`bizkit: I am particualrly looking for a script to add windows machine trust accounts on the fly and which works for debian. samba.org provides redhat only`
`22:01.02`	`abrotman`	`ask #samba?`
`22:01.06`	`galois`	`bizkit: I am currently looking on google but keep finding samba 2.0 era scripts`
`22:01.10`	`galois`	`abrotman: I am :)`
`22:01.13`	`drivamgr2006`	`Anyone in here know how to change what typ of monitor you have listed? Mine is picking up wrong, so the xf86gammaconfig isnt working. I need to change to a different monitor`
`22:01.19`	`Eulex`	`Luftzig, btw, there is no way of reformatting the 32gb drive to ext3 without losing all data`
`22:01.27`	`Manny`	`EdLin, the "problem" is that apt-get refuses to ignore broken packages that are on hold and don't affect any other packages. I may want to delete the package from the package database without uninstalling the installed files, so it would be basically a tarball extraction (no config scripts are associated). Any hints how I can achieve this?`
`22:02.00`	`bizkit`	`galois: why should the scripts for redhat not work on debian? the only difference are filepaths?`
`22:02.04`	`Luftzig`	`Eulex, I know that, as reformated that partion once, from ntfs to vfat`
`22:02.07`	`nimak2`	`drivamgr2006: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-x[org\|free86]`
`22:02.10`	`Eulex`	`Manny, trying to trick dpkg and apt-get is never good`
`22:02.17`	`drivamgr2006`	`thanks nimak2`
`22:02.20`	`EdLin`	`!wayc Manny`
`22:02.20`	`dpkg`	`Manny: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get?`
`22:02.46`	`AR`	`Where i can get DVD iso Debian 3.1r1, give me http service please, beacouse i can't download from ftp service.`
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`22:02.49`	`outlaw`	`hello`
`22:03.08`	`Luftzig`	`Any none /home things I should keep?`
`22:03.18`	`galois`	`bizkit: my ignorance :) cheers`
`22:03.20`	`abrotman`	`Manny: what is your debian flavor ?`
`22:03.22`	`outlaw`	`ntpdate Can't adjust the time of day: Operation not permitted`
`22:03.34`	`outlaw`	`i got this error when i use ntpdate , can someone help me?`
`22:03.37`	`Eulex`	`Manny, umh, "debian flavour"? is this pure debian or based on debian?`
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`22:03.58`	`bizkit`	`outlaw: try it as root`
`22:04.07`	`outlaw`	`i am root`
`22:04.08`	`outlaw`	`:S`
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`22:04.23`	`EdLin`	`Manny: that's your problem, you're mixing repositories`
`22:04.25`	`cy_`	`hi. whats a easy way to get a VPN up? opensvn, openswan .. ? any suggestions ?`
`22:04.38`	`cy_`	`openvpn*`
`22:04.40`	`cy_`	`:/`
`22:04.42`	`Eulex`	`AR, "Due to space and bandwidth constraints, only very few mirrors are able to supply direct HTTP/FTP download links." -- do you really need the full dvds?`
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`22:05.03`	`AR`	`Eulex: yes`
`22:05.14`	`sonyman`	`whats the best way to configure my wireless card? I just installed the atheros kernel module`
`22:05.35`	`Manny`	`EdLin, yeah, that's the problem - but I can't believe that apt-get/dpkg doesn't provide any workaround for my problem, because IMHO there is quite a huge chance that broken package deps occur in unstable.`
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`22:05.45`	`galois`	`AR: get the dvd builder (I forget the name). It gets the files in a sensible way and spares bandwidth where possible`
`22:05.50`	`abrotman`	`Manny: what is your flavor of debian ?`
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`22:05.57`	`Manny`	`abrotman, ubuntu`
`22:06.05`	`Eulex`	`Manny, #ubuntu`
`22:06.07`	`EdLin`	`Manny: #ubuntu`
`22:06.07`	`bizkit`	`hehe`
`22:06.14`	`EdLin`	`Manny: check the /topic`
`22:06.16`	`Manny`	`ugh, it's a dpkg/apt-get issue :)`
`22:06.23`	`Eulex`	`AR, jigdo`
`22:06.27`	`Eulex`	`Manny, no`
`22:06.29`	`abrotman`	`Manny: so you're complaining because ktechlab gives out packages for debian ... and you force them on ubuntu .. then blame us ?`
`22:06.42`	`EdLin`	`Manny: ask on #ubuntu, you're not running Debian`
`22:06.50`	`galois`	`bizkit: could you tell me whether this should work fine (commment on paths) dd machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -d /var/lib/nobody -g 100 -s /bin/false -M %u`
`22:06.54`	`AR`	`god`
`22:06.58`	`AR`	`good`
`22:07.04`	`Eulex`	`Manny, dpkg and apt-get is working very well. the problem is that you've got broken packages and are mixing repos`
`22:07.08`	`Manny`	`abrotman, I don't blame anybody, I just want my problem solved and you're the dpkg/apt-get gurus, so I hoped you can tell me how to poke around with my dpkg cache :)`
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`22:07.23`	`abrotman`	`Manny: but you're running ubuntu`
`22:07.44`	`EdLin`	`Manny: maybe the Red Hat people should help out SuSE users since they are the RPM gurus`
`22:07.51`	`abrotman`	`and which version of ubuntu ?`
`22:08.00`	`EdLin`	`!ubuntu`
`22:08.01`	`dpkg`	`See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) \| http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 \| Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or \| Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.`
`22:08.09`	`sonyman`	`Can someone help me :(`
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`22:08.35`	`abrotman`	`Manny: i don't see why you're having an issue .. the ktechlab site HAS ubuntu debs`
`22:08.44`	`bizkit`	`galois: yes, it will work if you have /var/lib/nobody as homedir for the users, whereas you can use what you want there if it's secure (emtpy)`
`22:08.47`	`efaistos`	`Does someone know what to do to keep an external HD "alive" ... It always deconnects it's very annoying and i dont know if it comes from the box or HD or maybe the module ?`
`22:09.15`	`abrotman`	`efaistos: the drive is probably going to sleep`
`22:09.21`	`Eulex`	`!tell sonyman about ask`
`22:09.28`	`pumpkin0`	`efaistos: cron and a creative use of touch and sync`
`22:09.52`	`Eulex`	`sonyman, are you sure that your chipset is atheros?`
`22:10.06`	`pumpkin0`	`sonyman: which card ? does it show up in ifconfig ? does iwconfig show the card ?`
`22:10.07`	`sonyman`	`Eulex, yes`
`22:10.15`	`sonyman`	`I loaded the module`
`22:10.19`	`bizkit`	`galois: e.g. mkdir /var/lib/nobody && chown nobody.nogroup /var/lib/nobody && chmod 770 /var/lib/nobody`
`22:10.25`	`efaistos`	`abrotman, any idea how to avoid that ?`
`22:10.27`	`sonyman`	`I'm used to GUI configuration tools`
`22:10.30`	`n1nja`	`25 Dec 23:10:16 ntpdate[18727]: Can't adjust the time of day: Operation not permitted`
`22:10.32`	`Manny`	`see...there is a problem that apt-get is basically useless when a particular package dep is broken, whether on hold or not. This is a dpkg/apt-get issue, and stock Debian-running people experience this as well, I'm sure.`
`22:10.35`	`n1nja`	`any help:/`
`22:10.36`	`Eulex`	`sonyman, iwconfig, ifconfig and dhclient should work well`
`22:10.41`	`galois`	`bizkit: ok, cool - thank you very much for your help`
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`22:10.56`	`sonyman`	`Eulex, what package provides iwconfig? I don't have that command`
`22:11.07`	`Eulex`	`!tell sonyman about search`
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`22:11.15`	`Manny`	`abrotman, the site doesn't provide breezy packages`
`22:11.18`	`EdLin`	`Manny: I'm sure ubuntu people experience this too, ask on #ubuntu and if they don't know, well, too bad`
`22:11.24`	`outlaw`	`ntpdate Can't adjust the time of day: Operation not permitted`
`22:11.26`	`Manny`	`:)`
`22:11.26`	`outlaw`	`i got this error when i use ntpdate , can someone help me?`
`22:11.41`	`kimo`	`when I ssh into remotemc, any idea how to scp a file I browse to, back to localmc ??`
`22:11.43`	`abrotman`	`Manny: look .. they're fucking DEPENDENCIES ... do you know what that means? .. it REQUIRES it .. dpkg isn't a shitty little tool like MSI crap .. it's there to ensure that your system runs .. if the damn thing lists DEPENDENCIES .. go install them`
`22:12.07`	`abrotman`	`Manny: and if you don't like our answers .. go ask #ubuntu .. they made the distro you're running .. we did not`
`22:12.07`	`galois`	`outlaw: teh problem is that the same symptoms can have different causes. People are not being rude/inconsiderate just trying to point you to people who will be best able to help`
`22:12.08`	`Eulex`	`sonyman, specifically, apt-file is very useful for finding what package contains a file`
`22:12.11`	`look`	`hmm i just noticed one instance of my apache is running as root (i started it with /etc/init.d/apache2 start) like this: root 31163 0.0 3.8 14312 4908 ? Ss Dec25 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL`
`22:12.12`	`Manny`	`:)`
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`22:12.15`	`bizkit`	`kimo: just scp backwards?`
`22:12.18`	`Manny`	`thank you anyway`
`22:12.23`	`look`	`shouldn't it be run as www-data too?`
`22:12.29`	`abrotman`	`Manny: otherwise .. learn how to build the packages from source`
`22:12.32`	`EdLin`	`!they don't know`
`22:12.32`	`dpkg`	`Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google.`
`22:12.33`	`sonyman`	`Eulex, it certainly sounds like it. I'm installing it now`
`22:12.39`	`abrotman`	`or ask them to update thier debs`
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`22:12.48`	`kimo`	`bizkit, yes ? is it easy`
`22:12.53`	`AR`	`Can you help me... Suse 10.0. Don't work PS/2 mouse whith touchpad on my aptop`
`22:12.53`	`AR`	`(HP Omnibook 6000),`
`22:12.53`	`AR`	`Lines from syslog:`
`22:12.53`	`AR`	`Dec 24 14:09:32 ar kernel: psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1`
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`22:13.05`	`bizkit`	`look: you need root to bind privileged ports`
`22:13.08`	`Manny`	`abrotman, the point is that I wanted to know whether I can modify the cache to do what I'd do by modifying the control file`
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`22:13.31`	`Eulex`	`sonyman, that's a good tip for next time you want to find a file in a package. iwconfig is in wireless-tools.`
`22:13.39`	`Eulex`	`AR, you're joking, right?`
`22:13.41`	`bizkit`	`kimo: on the remote side just scp remotefile localuser@localmachine:localpath`
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`22:13.53`	`AR`	`Eulex: sorry`
`22:13.56`	`sonyman`	`Eulex, I thought I had installed wireless-tools as a dependency for another program. I'll check...`
`22:14.04`	`pumpkin0`	`Manny: yes, you can do that. It will break your system and fuck up all futher installs. But it is possible.`
`22:14.07`	`Eulex`	`sonyman, it needs to be run as root`
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`22:14.09`	`abrotman`	`Manny: you probably can .. but it's still a very very very bad idea`
`22:14.11`	`tarzeau`	`someone's got tangerines and cats?`
`22:14.15`	`kimo`	`bizkit, opening a new connection... oh ok... thought there might be an easier way`
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`22:14.38`	`tarzeau`	`other citrus fruits will work as well...`
`22:14.41`	`sonyman`	`Eulex, it wasn't installed :-/`
`22:14.45`	`AR`	`Don't work PS/2 mouse whith touchpad on my laptop. Lines from syslog: kernel: psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1`
`22:14.59`	`look`	`bizkit, ah of course. should have thought about it. :) but hmm... what assures that no user can get their hands on the running root instance (that they get served as the ones runnign as www-data)?`
`22:15.00`	`bizkit`	`tarzeau: got a crazy dog`
`22:15.09`	`tarzeau`	`bizkit: don't play with that one...`
`22:15.15`	`Eulex`	`AR, suse is not even based on debian. why are you asking here?`
`22:15.16`	`tarzeau`	`but dogs also react on LSD`
`22:15.16`	`pumpkin0`	`AR: this is debian. You have suse.`
`22:15.18`	`sonyman`	`Eulex, I'm reading the man pages for wireless-tools now. Thanks for the help Eulex`
`22:15.23`	`AR`	`sorry`
`22:15.32`	`AR`	`i work in debian`
`22:15.32`	`tarzeau`	`that's probably harder to get than citrus fruits`
`22:15.49`	`AR`	`i don't work in SuSe :)`
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`22:15.53`	`bizkit`	`tarzeau: he reacts on my subwoofer.. kind of crazy`
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`22:16.05`	`abrotman`	`wtf .. are #ubuntu and #suse filled with god-fearing christians that aren't there on xmas day? :)`
`22:16.06`	`tarzeau`	`bizkit: what kind of music?`
`22:16.09`	`pumpkin0`	`AR: why did you wirte Suse 10.0 on the first line ?`
`22:16.14`	`Eulex`	`sonyman, yw`
`22:16.25`	`bizkit`	`tarzeau: rock music`
`22:16.31`	`AR`	`This is my later distrib.`
`22:16.47`	`tarzeau`	`bizkit: got a guitar or other musical instruments?`
`22:17.01`	`bizkit`	`tarzeau: no, just a dumb listener`
`22:17.01`	`abrotman`	`i do!`
`22:17.03`	`AR`	`In suse mouse also not work`
`22:17.14`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: but you don't have pets`
`22:17.16`	`Eulex`	`AR, is it emulated as ps/2 or do you use the synaptic driver?`
`22:17.39`	`EdLin`	`AR: Manny: there is a general Linux support channel, ##linux, if you insist on not using your distro's support channel. #debian is not #ubuntu or #suse`
`22:17.39`	`AR`	`Eulex: synaptc driver i use for touchpad`
`22:17.53`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: depends what you mean by pets`
`22:18.03`	`kimo`	`any idea why people differentiate between "failover" and "load balancing" ? I think "Load balancing" automatically provides "failoiver", am I mistaken ..`
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`22:18.07`	`Eulex`	`AR, is it installed? have you configured X(free86\|org) to use it?`
`22:18.10`	`Wharf`	`Hi there.`
`22:18.12`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: mammals other than humans`
`22:18.12`	`AR`	`and mouse driver i use for PS/2 mouse`
`22:18.18`	`Wharf`	`Where can i download debian sarge from?`
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`22:18.21`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: you don't like snakes ?`
`22:18.23`	`abrotman`	`!d-i Wharf`
`22:18.23`	`dpkg`	`Wharf, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.`
`22:18.28`	`AR`	`Eulex: yes i cobfigure XFree`
`22:18.48`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: no , besides they are dumb`
`22:19.02`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: they can eat you`
`22:19.10`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i don't even like them grilled`
`22:19.12`	`AR`	`in BIOS i checke options that work Touchpad and External mouse`
`22:19.15`	`Eulex`	`AR, could you paste your XF86Config-4 using paster?`
`22:19.21`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: but make sure to hide them well should i ever visit you`
`22:19.23`	`EdLin`	`bizkit: they'd never take place if people just read the /topic`
`22:19.33`	`EdLin`	`!topicsmite Manny`
`22:19.33`	`dpkg`	`And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Manny. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.`
`22:19.36`	`jimr`	`FTP question for the forum - it appears the default permission for files FTP'd to a Debian/Apache web server is rwx------. Is it possible to configure the default permission to be something else (like rwxr--r--)?`
`22:19.41`	`Wharf`	`How are the bianrys only about 300mb in size and the website says there dvd's 4 gig in sizee`
`22:19.43`	`Wharf`	`:S`
`22:19.46`	`pumpkin0`	`kimo: well load-balancing will make all server do some work, while fail-over will make 1 server work till it breaks and then switch to the next one`
`22:19.49`	`abrotman`	`jimr: fix the umask`
`22:19.52`	`AR`	`Eulex: hwo can i do it&`
`22:19.54`	`AR`	`?`
`22:20.03`	`Eulex`	`AR, linux very often doesn't care about the bios.`
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`22:20.04`	`tarzeau`	`Wharf: binaries`
`22:20.04`	`Eulex`	`!paster`
`22:20.05`	`dpkg`	`Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away.`
`22:20.12`	`abrotman`	`Wharf: i pointed you at a netinst image .. it's 110MB .. and it will download the other stuff you need from the internet`
`22:20.16`	`bizkit`	`EdLin: nor just reading the topic.. but understanding and respecting, this is the key ;)`
`22:20.19`	`jimr`	`abrotman: unmask for what user?`
`22:20.20`	`Eulex`	`Wharf, bad mirror?`
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`22:20.32`	`kimo`	`pumpkin0, seems to me LB is always better! why would someone need FO only ?`
`22:20.32`	`abrotman`	`jimr: umask`
`22:20.39`	`Wharf`	`ta mate`
`22:20.44`	`abrotman`	`Eulex: isn't AR on Suse ?`
`22:20.47`	`Wharf`	`Is the image for cdr or dvd`
`22:20.58`	`EdLin`	`bizkit: people are too stubborn for that to work`
`22:21.01`	`bizkit`	`jimr: the user which creates files/dirs`
`22:21.14`	`jimr`	`right, umask for what user? I assume not root?`
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`22:21.21`	`Jacky^afk`	`hi all`
`22:21.32`	`abrotman`	`jimr: your ftpd should allow you to change the umask`
`22:21.36`	`bizkit`	`EdLin: the same people can enjoy my /ignore`
`22:21.38`	`Eulex`	`abrotman, doesn't seem so. he said that the distro he had before this one was suse. he may be pulling our feet though.`
`22:21.40`	`bizkit`	`EdLin: :-)`
`22:21.51`	`Jacky^`	`whats th best wiki software you know ? :P`
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`22:21.56`	`abrotman`	`Eulex: dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1 :)`
`22:21.58`	`tarzeau`	`Jacky^: moin`
`22:22.13`	`Eulex`	`abrotman, ya`
`22:22.21`	`Jacky^`	`tarzeau: thanks :)`
`22:22.29`	`pumpkin0`	`kimo: Let's say you cannot share all informations between the 2 server (too much, too much changes, too sensitive). Then at break-down it's better to kill all connections and let the other server start new ones.`
`22:22.33`	`Eulex`	`AR,what does dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1 output?`
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`22:23.33`	`AR`	`i libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library`
`22:23.45`	`jimr`	`abrotman: the umask for the ftp user is 022 which should result in 755 but it doesn't - the files are 700`
`22:24.00`	`Eulex`	`AR, ok. now, could you paste your XF86Config-4 with paster?`
`22:24.04`	`kimo`	`pumpkin0, do u have any experience playing with load balancing on database apps ?`
`22:24.05`	`abrotman`	`!paster`
`22:24.05`	`dpkg`	`Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away.`
`22:24.07`	`abrotman`	`!u`
`22:24.08`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`22:24.08`	`Eulex`	`abrotman, ;P`
`22:24.18`	`abrotman`	`Eulex: i can write that line too :)`
`22:24.19`	`pumpkin0`	`kimo: none at all.`
`22:24.40`	`Eulex`	`abrotman, hehe`
`22:24.48`	`abrotman`	`ii libc6 2.6.8.Eulex-69 GNU Crap Library`
`22:24.59`	`AR`	`Eulex: i give you URL for my XFreeCgonfig , after some minutea`
`22:24.59`	`Eulex`	`haha`
`22:25.05`	`kimo`	`pumpkin0, ok .. thanks for the help`
`22:25.05`	`Eulex`	`AR, ok`
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`22:25.33`	`bizkit`	`jimr: you are doing something wrong...`
`22:25.48`	`abrotman`	`you thnik? :)`
`22:26.04`	`abrotman`	`jimr: which FTPD are you using ? .. and for that matter .. why aren't you using scp ?`
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`22:26.16`	`jimr`	`bizkit: I have no doubt of that... just can't figure out what`
`22:26.38`	`AR`	`Eulex: ftp://ftp.bsu.by/Work/AR/XF86Config-4`
`22:26.39`	`bizkit`	`jimr: if you use vsftpd you can set the umask in the config file`
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`22:27.19`	`AR`	`Eulex: in this file i comment the description my PS/2 mouse`
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`22:27.33`	`robin_sz`	`meep?`
`22:27.36`	`bizkit`	`jimr: if you use sftp/scp you can use the users bashrc to set the umask`
`22:27.37`	`Eulex`	`AR, cat /dev/input/mice and move your mouse around -- do you get random crap in your terminal?`
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`22:28.23`	`abrotman`	`!punish jabber.org`
`22:28.32`	`robin_sz`	`gah .. how do I make rsync just "do it" and make this directory look exactly the same as a remote directory, overwriting any local changes I may have made ...`
`22:28.46`	`jimr`	`abortman: how do I determine which ftpd is loaded on this machine?`
`22:28.49`	`Eulex`	`AR, if you don't, try to cat other files in the /dev/input/ dir until you find the right one`
`22:28.53`	`abrotman`	`jimr: aren't you the admin ?`
`22:28.54`	`AR`	`Eulex: no`
`22:29.02`	`Eulex`	`AR, ^^`
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`22:29.12`	`AR`	`ard:/etc/X11# cat /dev/input/mice`
`22:29.13`	`AR`	`(�`
`22:29.18`	`jimr`	`admin - yes I am root`
`22:29.20`	`AR`	`that is all`
`22:29.22`	`robin_sz`	`sigh ... rsync, so many options, so little time`
`22:29.23`	`bucky`	`!by`
`22:29.23`	`dpkg`	`i guess by is Belarus`
`22:29.29`	`abrotman`	`jimr: so .. you installed it right ? .. how did you instll it ?`
`22:29.43`	`Eulex`	`AR, and nothing when you "move" the touchpad around?`
`22:29.54`	`AR`	`Eulex: yes`
`22:29.57`	`EdLin`	`AR: I have ancestors from Pinsk`
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`22:30.07`	`jimr`	`ftp was installed by the Debian install package - I choose ftp, it put whatever is the default on the box`
`22:30.08`	`AR`	`i move only touchpad`
`22:30.09`	`wersa`	`Hi. My PS/2 Mouse is frozen in X after apt-get upgrade from a Knoppix version to SARGE`
`22:30.34`	`Eulex`	`AR, try to cat other files in the /dev/input/ dir until you find the right one`
`22:30.37`	`robin_sz`	`Knoppix?`
`22:30.39`	`robin_sz`	`ick`
`22:30.43`	`Eulex`	`wersa, umh, don't do that`
`22:30.49`	`abrotman`	`jimr: dpkg -l \| grep ftp`
`22:30.51`	`g3brown`	`I've never added hardware to a Debian system. I am going to pull a 100 nic and add a 1000 nic. Both are supported by linux. What is the process to do this?`
`22:30.55`	`darkcmd`	`http://www.oook.cz/screenshots/no_panel.png how did that person get that big message to appear on the screen`
`22:30.55`	`robin_sz`	`wersa: try asking in #knoppix`
`22:30.56`	`pumpkin0`	`wersa: you are very, very lucky. Usually everything breaks.`
`22:30.58`	`AR`	`Eulex: i use /dev/input/mouse[0,1]`
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`22:31.10`	`blondie`	`g3brown: "just do it" :)`
`22:31.13`	`EdLin`	`wersa: mixing knoppix and sarge will make you have not Sarge but neither one.`
`22:31.21`	`blondie`	`and hopefully it'll Just Work`
`22:31.24`	`Eulex`	`AR, try cat on the /dev/input/event* files`
`22:31.26`	`AR`	`EdLin: i not from Pinsk :)`
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`22:31.40`	`AR`	`Eulex: good`
`22:31.40`	`g3brown`	`blondie: when it reboots it will automatically load the correct drive for the 1000 nic?`
`22:31.40`	`robin_sz`	`its a bit like installing a load of mac binaries in windows .. all bets are off`
`22:31.43`	`sonyman`	`Eulex, I got it working, but have 3 questions. 1) How can I save the configuration settings? They reverted to the defaults after a reboot. 2) How can I make the interface initialize at boot (get a DHCP ip), and 3) How can I prevent my wired connection from trying to get an IP at boot`
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`22:32.03`	`blondie`	`g3brown: well hopefully... I'd try with both NICs in too see`
`22:32.05`	`Eulex`	`sonyman, and I have one answer :) -- man interfaces`
`22:32.06`	`blondie`	`-o`
`22:32.07`	`pumpkin0`	`g3brown: if the kernel supports it and can find the right module.`
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`22:32.33`	`jimr`	`dpkg reports ii ftpd 0.17-13`
`22:32.39`	`bucky`	`sonyman, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high`
`22:32.40`	`m0se5`	`I just did an apt-get upgrade using testing and menu updated. My debian folder in my menu is gone. Any way to get it back?`
`22:32.41`	`Shadowcat`	`sonyman: edit /etc/networking/interfaces`
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`22:32.47`	`Eulex`	`sonyman, and man wireless`
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`22:33.13`	`Eulex`	`m0se5, what de or wm?`
`22:33.13`	`wersa`	`Oh. But don't you have an idea?`
`22:33.15`	`abrotman`	`jimr: you're not supposed to use that one :)`
`22:33.17`	`AR`	`Eulex: the same`
`22:33.33`	`Eulex`	`AR, none of them will give random stuff in your terminal?`
`22:33.38`	`EdLin`	`!any ideas?`
`22:33.38`	`dpkg`	`Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little thermal paste, and 5 or 6 rabid hamsters. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes!`
`22:33.40`	`m0se5`	`Eulex: kde`
`22:33.40`	`wersa`	`I checked all the log files. There were no errors in it beside pciehp`
`22:33.41`	`AR`	`Y`
`22:33.46`	`pumpkin0`	`g3brown: To test this: run a modprobe "the-module-the-new-card-needs". If it can find the module, chances are good.`
`22:33.56`	`AR`	`Eulex: yes, nothing`
`22:34.12`	`m0se5`	`Eulex: but it's the same for all wm`
`22:34.15`	`jimr`	`abrotman: well, like I said, I didn't pick it - it was what the install put here. I take it there's a better choice...`
`22:34.21`	`EdLin`	`bbiab`
`22:34.23`	`robin_sz`	`wersa: sadly not, no. You'd be better off on #knoppix, they know what madness they inflicted on the packages, presuably they know what breaks`
`22:34.23`	`Eulex`	`wersa, no. as I said, don't do that. ever. either install knoppix or install sarge. you've gotten a mix of the two, which will cause a lot of problems`
`22:34.30`	`Eulex`	`m0se5, hmm`
`22:34.37`	`g3brown`	`pumpkin0: how do I guess/determine the module it needs? google?`
`22:34.37`	`AR`	`Eulex: but in this moment my PS/2 miuse not connect`
`22:34.46`	`Shadowcat`	`haha`
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`22:34.48`	`pumpkin0`	`g3brown: which card is it ?`
`22:34.52`	`wersa`	`Ok, thanks`
`22:34.53`	`Shadowcat`	`dependency hell`
`22:34.54`	`g3brown`	`e1000`
`22:34.55`	`Shadowcat`	`stupid users`
`22:34.57`	`robin_sz`	`right where was I`
`22:34.59`	`g3brown`	`Intel`
`22:35.02`	`sonyman`	`Ok I have the interfaces set up with the correct options at boot. How do I make the configuration changes permanent using iwconfig?`
`22:35.03`	`m0se5`	`Eulex: I have to go. /msg m0se5 if you think of anything. I'll be back. Thanks.`
`22:35.03`	`Eulex`	`AR, dunno then`
`22:35.14`	`pumpkin0`	`g3brown: wait a sec, i have the same card.`
`22:35.24`	`g3brown`	`pumpkin0: whoa... cool`
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`22:35.30`	`Eulex`	`sonyman, add wireless-* options to /etc/network/interfaces`
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`22:35.52`	`abrotman`	`jimr: you should really use scp .. FTP is insecure by nature`
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`22:36.01`	`blondie`	`g3brown: the module is simply "e1000"`
`22:36.06`	`Eulex`	`sonyman, for example, wireless-essid`
`22:36.12`	`AR`	`Where i can get help for this question&`
`22:36.13`	`AR`	`?`
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`22:36.29`	`g3brown`	`blondie: thanks I will modprobe e1000 (from pumpkin0) then?`
`22:36.47`	`jimr`	`scp supports the ftp protocol?`
`22:36.48`	`pumpkin0`	`g3brown: running 2.6.11: works out of the box, no need to test.`
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`22:37.11`	`abrotman`	`jimr: no .. scp is not ftp .. scp is encrypted file transfer ..`
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`22:37.24`	`Eulex`	`jimr, no. you could try sftp though`
`22:37.33`	`sonyman`	`Eulex, add them on the same line as iface ath0 inet dhcp or before it?`
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`22:37.47`	`jimr`	`this is a shared web server - users have ftp clients to upload their files - that's why it's built with ftp`
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`22:38.02`	`pumpkin0`	`g3brown: is it the only NIC or do you have more ? Because adding/removing may change the order in eth0, eth1, eth2,...`
`22:38.07`	`abrotman`	`jimr: there are free scp/sftp clients`
`22:38.07`	`Eulex`	`sonyman, next line, and prefix it with a tab`
`22:38.12`	`sonyman`	`got it`
`22:38.24`	`Eulex`	`sonyman, for example:`
`22:38.38`	`Eulex`	`iface eth1 inet dhcp`
`22:38.46`	`Eulex`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:38.55`	`sonyman`	`great`
`22:39.00`	`g3brown`	`pumpkin0: it will be the only card when I finished. I have a e1000 working on a 2.6.8 system. The system I'm working with is 2.4.X.`
`22:39.41`	`AR`	`When i use cat /proc/bus/input/devices , what is line "P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0" ?`
`22:39.50`	`pumpkin0`	`g3brown: i'm not so sure about 2.4'er kernels. Can you update to 2.6 first ?`
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`22:40.07`	`sonyman`	`Alright I'm going to reboot and see what happens. Wish me luck`
`22:40.15`	`wam`	`Hi! I want to install debian/sid on my usb-stick, but I don't want FAT on it (like damnsmalllinux requires it). I want a real ext2-based fs and a "real" installation of debian/sid. There's no need to read the stick's contents from win. Should I just put it in while booting from a installer-CD (sarge) or is there another recommended way?`
`22:40.30`	`Shadowcat`	`err`
`22:40.32`	`Shadowcat`	`wam: dude`
`22:40.36`	`Shadowcat`	`if you need to ask about this stuff`
`22:40.40`	`Shadowcat`	`you shouldn't even be attempting it`
`22:40.47`	`abrotman`	`!filezilla is A powerful FTP-client(and SFTP) for Windows 9x, ME, NT4, 2000 and XP. It has been designed for ease of use and with support for as many features as possible, while still being fast and reliable. Located at http://filezilla.sf.net/`
`22:40.47`	`dpkg`	`abrotman: okay`
`22:41.11`	`wam`	`Shadowcat: why not? I want to play ;)`
`22:41.27`	`jimr`	`thanks for the link to firezilla - I'll explore it.`
`22:41.38`	`pumpkin0`	`wam: plug in the stick, launch the installer and pray.`
`22:41.47`	`wam`	`Shadowcat: I don't want those stripped down versions which are available. I want a real debian ;)`
`22:41.48`	`EdLin`	`wam: you don't want to run Linux live on a keychain, they only have a limited amount of writes, though that's improving.`
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`22:42.13`	`EdLin`	`wam: try the business CD edition and dd it to the keychain.`
`22:42.13`	`g3brown`	`pumpkin0: I'm about 90% sure the kernel supports it. I'm going to mess around with it some with what you told me and see what happens.`
`22:42.16`	`abrotman`	`jimr: it may or may not fix your umask issue .. but using FTP is a good way to get your box cracked :)`
`22:42.32`	`wam`	`EdLin: i will try to make most writes on a ramdisk (e.g. copy & mount /var to a ramdisc)`
`22:42.44`	`jimr`	`abrotman: understood - thanks!`
`22:42.52`	`Shadowcat`	`wam: you can play`
`22:43.01`	`Shadowcat`	`but advanced stuff like that is really`
`22:43.02`	`Shadowcat`	`umm`
`22:43.02`	`EdLin`	`wam: it won't be ext2/3 either though, it would be iso9660`
`22:43.06`	`pumpkin0`	`g3brown: remember to remove any special hacks you needed to get the other nic working. Look at /etc/modules for anything unusual.`
`22:43.08`	`Shadowcat`	`well.... a pain to setup`
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`22:43.49`	`wam`	`EdLin: why would I need a cdrom-fs on a usb-stick?`
`22:44.21`	`pumpkin0`	`wam: copy Knoppix on the stick. (Is the stick big enough to hold a full-blown debian ?`
`22:44.22`	`EdLin`	`wam: because you want to install from the usb-stick, right? (that's the only good use of it)`
`22:44.40`	`pumpkin0`	`EdLin: no, he's the other kind...`
`22:44.43`	`sonyman`	`Eulex, works like a charm :-)`
`22:44.45`	`wam`	`EdLin: No - I want to boot from the usb-stick...`
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`22:44.57`	`wam`	`pumpkin0: it's a 512MB stick.`
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`22:45.05`	`adrakoa`	`hi`
`22:45.15`	`Eulex`	`sonyman, ok :)`
`22:45.27`	`abrotman`	`jimr: the other part of that is .. if you want to continue using FTP .. pick a better server like proftpd/vsftpd/pureftpd`
`22:45.28`	`pumpkin0`	`wam: forget it. That's not even enough for Knoppix, let alone a debian desktop-install`
`22:45.29`	`EdLin`	`wam: you won't be able to do much with 512M`
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`22:46.40`	`abrotman`	`pumpkin0: yes it is`
`22:47.05`	`wam`	`hmm. probarbly you're all right. Maybe I really should not try to install debian on the stick. Maybe a ready-to-go small linux-distro based on Kernel 2.4 with fluxbox is better for the first try. So will I do. Thanks everyone!`
`22:47.07`	`abrotman`	`pumpkin0: you just can't use kde or gnome .. but you can certainly get X and say .. blackbox and a browser on it`
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`22:47.31`	`pumpkin0`	`abrotman: brr... then it's better to go directly DSL`
`22:47.40`	`abrotman`	`maybe`
`22:48.23`	`EdLin`	`wam: Debian can run just kernel 2.4 and fluxbox`
`22:49.08`	`EdLin`	`wam: I just don't reccomend running Linux from a USB stick`
`22:49.41`	`EdLin`	`wam: installing from it, yes, but running from it, unless its a special L:ive CD kind of distro that never writes to it, not a good idea.`
`22:49.47`	`EdLin`	`Live*`
`22:49.51`	`pumpkin0`	`wam: if you want to go the extra step: install debian, compress the drive, play around with unionfs and have fun. It takes like 2 year to do such a setup form scratch. Or just use knoppix.`
`22:50.22`	`EdLin`	`pumpkin0: knoppix is bigger than 512M`
`22:50.34`	`EdLin`	`pumpkin0: he probably should get DSL`
`22:50.35`	`pumpkin0`	`EdLin: time to remove stuff.`
`22:50.43`	`pumpkin0`	`EdLin: yes.`
`22:50.54`	`wam`	`EdLin: I thought about that. But the usb-stick is part of my swiss-army-knife. So I just thought it would be great to have a bootable version of my swiss-army-knife-OS on it.`
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`22:51.10`	`jmb02`	`hi`
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`22:51.44`	`EdLin`	`wam: the stick will only last about a month if you write to it as much as a regular (non-Live-CD) OS does.`
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`22:51.53`	`jmb02`	`how could I set the default creation mask (umask) of a non-login user, such as www-data?`
`22:52.32`	`wam`	`EdLin: ok - that would be bad. So I'll try to get a linux-distro which doesn't write to it at all. Like knoppix.`
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`22:53.45`	`EdLin`	`wam: yep, though it's about 150M too small for Knoppix itself`
`22:53.48`	`wam`	`EdLin: But I find it ugly to have a FAT-Partition on the stick just to make knoppix-boot / syslinux happy and to use cloop.`
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`22:54.34`	`EdLin`	`wam: what's ugly about using a partition more suitable for your application? ext2/3 are no good as read-only filesystems.`
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`22:55.17`	`EdLin`	`wam: though FAT isn't too great either, admittedly`
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`22:55.42`	`pumpkin0`	`wam: well it is readable from most OSs.`
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`22:56.30`	`wam`	`pumpkin0: i don't need compatibility. All my computers (at work, home, parents, many friends) run debian.`
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`22:56.47`	`EdLin`	`FAT was already obsolete when it was introduced, even an Apple II used a better file system`
`22:56.54`	`g3brown`	`pumpkin0: I'm on the other system now with both the e100 and e1000 in it. I tried insmod e1000 and I get: /lib/modules/2.4.24-x1/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.o: init_module: No such device`
`22:57.16`	`pumpkin0`	`g3brown: try modprobe instead.`
`22:57.27`	`Eulex`	`wam & EdLin, I heard from somewhere that jfs is good for storing stuff on flash.`
`22:58.04`	`EdLin`	`jfs is buggy on hard disks, dunno about flash.`
`22:58.13`	`g3brown`	`pumpkin0: where I can I paste the errors from that?`
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`22:58.27`	`pumpkin0`	`g3brown: Does it show up in "lspci -v -v" ?`
`22:58.30`	`OpenSores`	`yay, tor is unbanned ^_^`
`22:58.31`	`pumpkin0`	`!paster`
`22:58.31`	`dpkg`	`Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away.`
`22:58.35`	`Eulex`	`EdLin, I'm probably wrong then`
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`22:59.17`	`pumpkin0`	`Eulex: use squashfs or cramfs for readonly.`
`22:59.18`	`g3brown`	`pumpkin0: I think I see it with that. Intel Corp: Unknown device`
`22:59.25`	`bizkit`	`I think it doesn't matter if its on disc or flash or whereever, you have to decide which fs to use: many small files, only bigger files and such. reises can be extremely fast for very much small files, whereas jfs is fast for bigger files, there are fs benchmarks available..`
`22:59.30`	`Eulex`	`g3brown, update-pciids`
`22:59.34`	`Eulex`	`pumpkin0, ok`
`22:59.40`	`bizkit`	`s/reises/reiserfs/`
`22:59.50`	`g3brown`	`pumpkin0: okay`
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`23:00.07`	`lunaphyte`	`after adding lines to /etc/modules, how can i load those without rebooting?`
`23:00.17`	`g3brown`	`pumpkin0: Yeah, it shows gigabit`
`23:00.18`	`bizkit`	`lunaphyte: modprobe module`
`23:00.21`	`Eulex`	`lunaphyte, modprobe them`
`23:00.28`	`EdLin`	`bizkit: neither of which are designed for a flash reader environment, a read-only slow device.`
`23:00.30`	`pumpkin0`	`g3brown: retry modprobe ?`
`23:00.41`	`launch`	`Hi somebody knows a first person shooter with two player mode? with great graphic if possible`
`23:00.48`	`robin_sz`	`sigh .. why are so man debian opackages undocumented?`
`23:00.56`	`bizkit`	`EdLin: why is a flash device readonly?`
`23:00.58`	`lunaphyte`	`bizkit, Eulex : thanks`
`23:00.59`	`EdLin`	`s/read-only/nearly read-only/`
`23:01.21`	`g3brown`	`pumpkin0: same error with modprobe`
`23:01.23`	`Eulex`	`robin_sz, dpkg -L pkgname and check the man pages for the binaries.`
`23:01.27`	`robin_sz`	`is there not soem requirement for at least a manpage before a package makes it into the distribution?`
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`23:01.49`	`EdLin`	`launch: most of IDs games and Ultra Turnament series have Linux flavors.`
`23:02.02`	`Eulex`	`robin_sz, usually, packages do not have man pages. though binaries do.`
`23:02.17`	`pumpkin0`	`g3brown: i think a kernel-update should be the way to go. And remove the other card.`
`23:02.18`	`robin_sz`	`OK`
`23:02.36`	`EdLin`	`bizkit: it's not, see my correction. I should have said "limited writing"`
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`23:02.42`	`robin_sz`	`I had rather hoped after doing install foo, that man foo would produce someting useful`
`23:02.42`	`launch`	`edlin ultra turnament?`
`23:02.55`	`hammerabi`	`robin_sz: then file a bug`
`23:03.08`	`EdLin`	`bizkit: you are meant to write to it only when storing stuff to be transfered elsewhere, not run a frigging operating system.`
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`23:03.28`	`robin_sz`	`hammerabi: for hundreds of packages?`
`23:03.45`	`pumpkin0`	`robin_sz: well, you have to start somewhere..`
`23:03.48`	`g3brown`	`pumpkin0: apt-get install upgrade kernel?`
`23:03.51`	`EdLin`	`launch: yes, and its sequals`
`23:03.55`	`Eulex`	`g3brown, lol`
`23:04.01`	`EdLin`	`launch: though my TNT2 doesn't run it. :-(`
`23:04.12`	`pumpkin0`	`g3brown: yes, one of the 2.6-series.`
`23:04.28`	`Eulex`	`robin_sz, packages don't have man pages. the binaries contained within them do. and packages and binaries sometimes don't have the same name as the binaries contained within it.`
`23:04.30`	`g3brown`	`Eulex: laugh at my expense :(`
`23:04.34`	`pumpkin0`	`g3brown: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.YOUR-CHOICE.`
`23:04.43`	`EdLin`	`gtg, stomach growling for supper`
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`23:05.05`	`Eulex`	`g3brown, sorry :(... apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 and pick the one you want`
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`23:05.06`	`launch`	`EdLin what i need to take between fuhquake quakeforge quake2lnx and wmquake?`
`23:05.23`	`bizkit`	`EdLin: sorry, so the topic was how to run debian from a usbstick? sorry, didn't follow your conversation`
`23:05.32`	`hammerabi`	`robin_sz: for any that are missing binaries and don't already have bugs filed, yes`
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`23:05.35`	`pumpkin0`	`bizkit: yes.`
`23:05.37`	`g3brown`	`Eulex: np I don't mind. I stupid when it comes to this.`
`23:06.09`	`hammerabi`	`robin_sz: bear in mind lintian.debian.org and the existing missing-man-page site I can't find now`
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`23:06.18`	`robin_sz`	`hammerabi: ... err, could be a big job. but since apaperently its not a package rquirement, then its not a bug`
`23:06.34`	`bizkit`	`pumpkin0: have a look at http://fsbench.netnation.com/`
`23:06.51`	`hammerabi`	`robin_sz: oh, stop being silly, it is a bug, but it's not critical enough to refuse to let somehting into Debian at all`
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`23:07.48`	`g3brown`	`pumpkin0: after I install the new kernel image. Do I need to do anything else like create the boot image.`
`23:07.55`	`Eulex`	`bizkit, the results would be entirely different when reading and writing to slow flash`
`23:08.01`	`robin_sz`	`hammerabi: well, undocumented means unuseable in my book .. but I'm weird`
`23:08.04`	`Eulex`	`g3brown, do you have grub or lilo?`
`23:08.27`	`hammerabi`	`robin_sz: that's a fine opinion, and if you'd like the package fixed, file a bug`
`23:08.35`	`g3brown`	`Eulex: heh, not sure on this box. I did it a long time ago. How can I tell now?`
`23:08.42`	`hammerabi`	`I'm not sure how whinging on IRC will produce a troff file?`
`23:08.54`	`Eulex`	`g3brown, apt-cache policy grub -- installed?`
`23:09.14`	`robin_sz`	`hammerabi: wouldnt it just be better to have a documentation standard that says "if it goes into stable you must write a man page first" ?`
`23:09.34`	`g3brown`	`Eulex: no unable to locate pacakge`
`23:09.34`	`hammerabi`	`robin_sz: if you care that much, propose it`
`23:09.49`	`pumpkin0`	`bizkit: thanks for the link. But the person wanting to install debian on a 512MB stick has left about 5min ago. I will stick to ext3...`
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`23:09.59`	`Eulex`	`g3brown, umh, what are you running? woody?`
`23:10.06`	`g3brown`	`Eulex: yeah`
`23:10.12`	`robin_sz`	`hammerabi: I think I stopped caring that much a few minutes ago`
`23:10.26`	`Eulex`	`g3brown, oh. then you've got lilo.`
`23:10.55`	`Eulex`	`g3brown, do your /etc/apt/sources.list list woody or stable?`
`23:11.02`	`pumpkin0`	`g3brown: run "lilo-update" to be sure.`
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`23:12.43`	`pumpkin0`	`abrotman: your tip from yesterday about remounting ext3 with "sync"-option has works great so far. No more ext3-crashs on any laptop so far.`
`23:12.50`	`bizkit`	`pumpkin0: hehe, sorry.. really didn't follow :-)`
`23:12.55`	`g3brown`	`Eulex: got it, thanks.`
`23:13.08`	`abrotman`	`pumpkin0: or you could fix the power :)`
`23:13.21`	`Eulex`	`g3brown, have you got stable or woody in your sources.list?`
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`23:13.59`	`g3brown`	`Eulex: sources.list was screwed up, I got kernel upgrade going and I'm on a site that walks me through it. Thanks for help.`
`23:14.01`	`aimtrainer`	`hi! I have a microNET usb bluetooth stick and lsusb doesn't list it though it is plugged in. Does anyone have an idea?`
`23:14.03`	`blondie`	`abrotman made pumpkin0 leave :o`
`23:14.22`	`abrotman`	`i did ?`
`23:14.23`	`abrotman`	`oh`
`23:14.24`	`hammerabi`	`if lsusb doesn't see it, you're doomed`
`23:14.33`	`hammerabi`	`lsusb shows if something is electrically on the usb bus`
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`23:14.49`	`Eulex`	`g3brown, does it list stable or woody? this is important if you don't want to break your system next time you try to install or upgrade some software`
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`23:15.06`	`g3brown`	`Eulex: woody`
`23:15.22`	`Eulex`	`g3brown, then you're safe`
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`23:16.23`	`Eulex`	`g3brown, but because you're using lilo, you need to run update-lilo (or was it just lilo) before rebooting, to avoid a disaster`
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`23:17.11`	`Eulex`	`g3brown, btw, where from did you get a 2.6 kernel? iirc there's no 2.6 kernel in woody`
`23:17.20`	`m0se5`	`I just did an apt-get upgrade using testing and menu updated. My debian folder in my menu is gone. Any way to get it back?`
`23:18.01`	`blondie`	`m0se5: what menu?`
`23:18.21`	`m0se5`	`blondie: the package menu`
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`23:18.33`	`Eulex`	`robin_, you'd be kicked`
`23:19.08`	`robin_sz`	`Three tourists stay in a motel, the motel keeper tells them it is $30 a night for the room, so they each pay $10. After they have gone to the room, he reallises he has made a mistake, it is only $25, so he sends the bellboy down with $5. Unable to dived $5 between 3 people, he gives each guest $1 and keeps $2 for himself. So the guests have paid $9 each .. 3x $9 = $27, plus the $2 the bellboy has kept makes $29 .. where did the other dollar go??`
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`23:21.29`	`yuacht`	`anyone have any experiences with avant mp3 players and linux?`
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`23:22.11`	`Eulex`	`robin_sz, interesting quiz`
`23:22.28`	`g3brown`	`Eulex: I just going to install Sarge. I know that works. my data is on a 2nd drive anyway.`
`23:22.39`	`robin_sz`	`Eulex: kept me going for a minute or two ;) and my wife for half an hour .. ;))`
`23:22.43`	`Eulex`	`g3brown, ok`
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`23:23.04`	`Eulex`	`robin_sz, we`
`23:23.12`	`Eulex`	`robin_sz, I know! I know!`
`23:23.35`	`Eulex`	`anyone else trying to figure out that doesn't want me to spoil it?`
`23:23.53`	`Eulex`	`*who doesn't`
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`23:24.25`	`abrotman`	`anyone here a super huge american football fan ?`
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`23:24.47`	`abrotman`	`!tell Yawgmoth7 about root`
`23:25.10`	`robin_sz`	`Eulex: shh, they are still thinking ;)`
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`23:25.29`	`abrotman`	`what are we thinking about?`
`23:25.34`	`abrotman`	`oh`
`23:25.36`	`launch`	`FreeBSD# fuhquake-x11`
`23:25.36`	`launch`	`rror: W_LoadWadFile: couldn't load gfx.wad`
`23:25.41`	`launch`	`???`
`23:26.25`	`m0se5`	`I just did an apt-get upgrade using testing and the menu package updated. Now my debian folder in my menu is gone. Any way to get it back?`
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`23:26.44`	`abrotman`	`launch: so you're trying to run quake on freebsd ?`
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`23:27.00`	`launch`	`yes we got that package`
`23:27.03`	`Eulex`	`robin_sz, anyway, 27-2=25 -- the bellboy hasn't payed back 2$`
`23:27.04`	`launch`	`so its sure that work`
`23:27.04`	`sdakota`	`man, IRC is great`
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`23:27.13`	`Eulex`	`launch, freebsd != debian. goto #freebsd`
`23:27.15`	`sdakota`	`sorry, just had to say that ^^`
`23:27.15`	`abrotman`	`launch: wait ... quake .. on freebsd ?`
`23:27.23`	`launch`	`abrotman sure`
`23:27.25`	`abrotman`	`i mean .. like .. quake .. on .. freebsd`
`23:27.30`	`robin_sz`	`Eulex: correct, but ti takes amoment to spot it`
`23:27.33`	`eguzkia`	`hello i nee help with ALSA`
`23:27.35`	`abrotman`	`launch: do you have ANY idea where you are ?`
`23:27.42`	`eguzkia`	`someone can help me?`
`23:27.51`	`streuner`	`eguzkia: cat /proc/version`
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`23:28.13`	`bucky`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:28.13`	`m0se5`	`eguzkia: don't ask to ask, just ask`
`23:28.19`	`Eulex`	`robin_sz, ya`
`23:28.29`	`abrotman`	`bucky: cold did brain damage ?`
`23:28.40`	`bucky`	`freezer burn`
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`23:28.43`	`Eulex`	`abrotman, prolly`
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`23:31.24`	`abrotman`	`launch: did someone tell you to ask in here ?`
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`23:31.47`	`eguzkia`	`streuner:Linux version 2.6.11.6 (root@LAO) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8)) #5 Wed Apr 13 13:29:01 CEST 2005`
`23:32.36`	`abrotman`	`who made that kernel ?`
`23:32.38`	`robin_sz`	`Eulex: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Gh8ITl87.html`
`23:32.43`	`eguzkia`	`m0se5:sorry after configuring ALSA, i lost all the configuration`
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`23:33.05`	`Eulex`	`don't debian kernels remove the last number in the version number? so it'd be 2.6.11 in debian?`
`23:33.07`	`streuner`	`eguzkia: ok, just get an official kernel`
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`23:33.17`	`Anyone`	`I wonder how I can check, which version of alsa is included in expirimental?`
`23:33.22`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`greetings`
`23:33.40`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`which apt frontend facilitates easy package downgrades?`
`23:33.40`	`Anyone`	`Rabb: You3`
`23:33.47`	`abrotman`	`Anyone: packages.debian.org`
`23:33.50`	`Anyone`	`RABBIT: None, afaik.`
`23:33.57`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`I am used to dselect and it doesn't help any`
`23:34.19`	`Anyone`	`abrotman, that site doesn't yield any alsa for expirimental ... that means that there are no alsa in experimental?`
`23:34.23`	`eguzkia`	`streuner: i have probelm to another PC that have sarge, but without ALSA i cannot connect to internet so i have to use another pc with a no debian OS!`
`23:34.35`	`Eulex`	`Anyone, no`
`23:34.44`	`Anyone`	`Eulex, no?`
`23:34.48`	`EdLin`	`\|RABBIT\|: you can't do easy package downgrades, apt isn't designed to handle them gracefully or at all.`
`23:34.54`	`eguzkia`	`streuner: i my debian sarge i have 2.6.14`
`23:34.57`	`Eulex`	`eguzkia, umh... alsa connects to the net?`
`23:35.04`	`Anyone`	`!maint alsa`
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`23:35.10`	`eguzkia`	`Eulex: yes for slmodemd`
`23:35.26`	`abrotman`	`Anyone: packages.debian.org`
`23:35.26`	`Anyone`	`Does someone have a newer version of alsa packaged for debian, or should I simply install from source?`
`23:35.28`	`eguzkia`	`Eulex: i only can connect with a dial-up :(`
`23:35.34`	`Eulex`	`eguzkia, well, that kernel you've got running is certainly not your debian kernel.`
`23:35.39`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`EdLin: ok, is there at least a better way than going to the pool, manually finding a pacage, downloading it and running dpkg -i?`
`23:35.43`	`abrotman`	`slmodemd is a pain in the ass`
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`23:35.50`	`Anyone`	`!maint alsa-base`
`23:35.50`	`eguzkia`	`Eulex: no now i'm running with mepis`
`23:35.50`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`or this is the state of the art currently?`
`23:35.52`	`dpkg`	`alsa-base: Debian ALSA Maintainers <pkg-alsa-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>`
`23:35.59`	`Eulex`	`Anyone, why do you want to do that?`
`23:36.01`	`Eulex`	`!mepis`
`23:36.01`	`dpkg`	`MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis`
`23:36.05`	`robin_sz`	`Eulex: that particular paste has confused many PHd level maths guys, so dont be upset when you get the worng answer ;)`
`23:36.18`	`EdLin`	`!tell \|RABBIT\| -about downgrade`
`23:36.24`	`Anyone`	`Eulex, to get audigy sound card working. I need alsa 1.0.11rc2 .. newest in unstable is 1.0.10.`
`23:36.41`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`now this is something`
`23:36.43`	`\|RABBIT\|`	`thanks`
`23:36.45`	`Eulex`	`robin_sz, heard it before. I know it's hard, too tired to try it out now...`
`23:36.52`	`robin_sz`	`'k`
`23:36.52`	`Anyone`	`http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix`
`23:36.53`	`eguzkia`	`i can configure ALSA but when i reboot i lost everything!!!`
`23:37.02`	`eguzkia`	`what do tyou think?`
`23:37.03`	`abrotman`	`Anyone: so go to #alsa .. ask how to compile it :)`
`23:37.08`	`robin_sz`	`right back to debian ...`
`23:37.09`	`Anyone`	`eguzkia, don't worry, you're eventually get a new house.`
`23:37.31`	`eguzkia`	`Anyone: sorry for my english!`
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`23:37.35`	`Anyone`	`abrotman, Thanks. Just wanted to know .. sometimes people have packages, like nerim with mplayer. ;-)`
`23:37.50`	`abrotman`	`Anyone: oh .. you can try backports.org or apt-get.org`
`23:37.56`	`EdLin`	`eguzkia: that sounds like a mepis problem, not a Debian problem. Ask #mepis`
`23:38.12`	`Anyone`	`abrotman, Ahh .. thanks!`
`23:38.20`	`eguzkia`	`EdLin: i have this problem on debian sarge not Mepis`
`23:38.36`	`eguzkia`	`i cannot run slmodemd`
`23:38.41`	`abrotman`	`eguzkia: niether can i`
`23:38.45`	`eguzkia`	`i suppose for alsa problem`
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`23:39.29`	`EdLin`	`eguzkia: it works here(tm)`
`23:39.37`	`abrotman`	`!slmodem`
`23:39.37`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, slmodem is http://www.smlink.com/content.aspx?id=132`
`23:39.39`	`eguzkia`	`no to me`
`23:40.23`	`Anyone`	`abrotman, seems that they're all old, but thanks anyhow.`
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`23:41.45`	`m0se5`	`I just did an apt-get upgrade using testing and menu updated. The debian folder in the menu is gone. Any way to get it back?`
`23:42.02`	`abrotman`	`m0se5: menu-xdg`
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`23:43.58`	`HEx`	`I have an errant X client that's grabbed the keyboard and pointer and won't release it... anyone know of a way to (a) find out which client is responsible, and/or (b) remove the grab without killing the client?`
`23:44.06`	`vvv`	`Hi, i have a problem with DNS's, all the times i reboot the computer something modify resolv.conf, i remember tht there was an option, where can i find it?`
`23:44.15`	`Anyone`	`hex: It wasn't me.`
`23:44.18`	`vvv`	`(i'm using kununtu)`
`23:44.24`	`ARMfreak`	`hello i have this sony digital camera w15...and i cant mounted...i dont know where i shoold look`
`23:44.26`	`Eulex`	`!kubuntu`
`23:44.26`	`dpkg`	`well, kubuntu is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu`
`23:44.29`	`ARMfreak`	`do u know`
`23:44.40`	`Eulex`	`ARMfreak, try gphoto2`
`23:44.45`	`ARMfreak`	`its not on /dev/`
`23:44.46`	`FinnTux`	`how do I install dbus-1 from experimental?`
`23:44.56`	`FinnTux`	`using sid atm`
`23:44.57`	`Eulex`	`vvv, kubuntu != debian. goto #kubuntu`
`23:44.58`	`Anyone`	`HEx: and no, I don't know either ..`
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`23:45.03`	`vvv`	`thanks you`
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`23:45.20`	`sdakota`	`hi`
`23:45.22`	`abrotman`	`helix: ping`
`23:45.23`	`Eulex`	`FinnTux, there's no dbus-1 in experimental`
`23:45.29`	`HEx`	`Anyone: wow, that's gotta be a painful nick, especially if you have highlighting...`
`23:45.29`	`ARMfreak`	`Eulex gphoto ...i have only gnome..`
`23:45.32`	`helix`	`abrotman: pong`
`23:45.37`	`EdLin`	`!u`
`23:45.38`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`23:45.48`	`abrotman`	`helix: nm .. i just found it .. igal :)`
`23:45.51`	`helix`	`ok`
`23:45.56`	`Anyone`	`HEx: I do. :-)`
`23:45.57`	`Eulex`	`ARMfreak, it has nothing to do with gnome.`
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`23:46.05`	`Anyone`	`HEx: I don't use this nick always.`
`23:46.08`	`abrotman`	`helix: sorry to bother .. i remember you had used it at one point .. and oyu seem to have changed your gallery`
`23:46.16`	`helix`	`it's ok`
`23:46.26`	`EdLin`	`boy am I lagging`
`23:46.48`	`Eulex`	`ARMfreak, apt-get install gphoto2`
`23:46.52`	`ARMfreak`	`ok`
`23:47.10`	`FinnTux`	`Eulex, oh ok. So it's only source package?`
`23:47.17`	`Eulex`	`FinnTux, may be`
`23:47.25`	`FinnTux`	`Eulex, http://packages.debian.org/experimental/source/dbus`
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`23:47.32`	`lekvar`	`what's the purpose of having a /boot/boot/grub/ directory vs just /boot/grub?`
`23:47.43`	`Eulex`	`FinnTux, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=dbus-1 doesn't list anything`
`23:47.45`	`FinnTux`	`Eulex, is there a way to get newer than 0.23.4 then?`
`23:47.58`	`FinnTux`	`Eulex, yeah, I kinda got it`
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`23:48.14`	`pdr-`	`anyone had luck using an "intel PRO/1000 PL" nic?`
`23:48.20`	`petryk`	`hello`
`23:48.25`	`petryk`	`I have a question`
`23:48.25`	`Eulex`	`FinnTux, not if you don't compile it`
`23:48.31`	`Anyone`	`abrotman, I have the sourcepackage for kernel 2.6.8 .. however, the binary package has been upgraded twice without the source package (for security reasons). Isn't that bad news when I want to compile alsa?`
`23:48.32`	`ARMfreak`	`and only make install is enaf`
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`23:48.42`	`Anyone`	`pdr: Yes I did. How did you know?`
`23:48.48`	`abrotman`	`Anyone: if there is a newer kernel-source package .. get it`
`23:48.54`	`pdr-`	`lol`
`23:48.54`	`petryk`	`do have here any TV card with saa7134 chipset?`
`23:49.02`	`NyteRukh`	`hello`
`23:49.09`	`Anyone`	`petryk, yeah`
`23:49.15`	`Anyone`	`petryk, I am returning it though.`
`23:49.17`	`cy_`	`is there a command line browser whom can handle javascript ?`
`23:49.30`	`petryk`	`Anyone, i have problem with it`
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`23:49.42`	`pdr-`	`Anyone, im serious`
`23:49.44`	`Eulex`	`cy_, links2 can do a little. but just the basics.`
`23:49.44`	`Anyone`	`petryk, I didn't even get it working enough to get any problems.`
`23:49.54`	`petryk`	`Anyone, images work good , else sound is muted ...`
`23:50.08`	`Anyone`	`Anyone, I am serious too .. its in the living room packaged, so I can return it.`
`23:50.09`	`abrotman`	`pdr-: e1000 driver ?`
`23:50.09`	`ARMfreak`	`Eulex and only make install is enough`
`23:50.10`	`ARMfreak`	`?`
`23:50.19`	`Anyone`	`petemc, how did you get images working?`
`23:50.23`	`cy_`	`thanks Eulex`
`23:50.36`	`Anyone`	`petryk, , how did you get images working?`
`23:50.37`	`pdr-`	`abrotman, im trying to install sarge in a Dell XPS 400`
`23:50.37`	`Eulex`	`ARMfreak, umh, you aren't compiling it, right?`
`23:50.41`	`*** part/#debian m0se5 (i=foobar@blk-222-223-58.eastlink.ca)`
`23:50.58`	`Anyone`	`petryk, I was trying xawtv .. it couldn't even tune the channels with "scantv".`
`23:50.58`	`sdakota`	`how do I tell apt-get to ask its questions using the console instead of using whiptail?`
`23:51.12`	`pdr-`	`abrotman, the device in windows is: intel PRO/1000 PL`
`23:51.16`	`petryk`	`Anyone, I use TVtime , and .. image on TV work good , or sound is none`
`23:51.34`	`Eulex`	`sdakota, dpkg-reconfigure debconf`
`23:51.35`	`ARMfreak`	`Eulex yes... i have vida linux and debian.....`
`23:51.36`	`pdr-`	`abrotman, i tried with the e1000 driver but it doesnt works`
`23:51.52`	`petryk`	`Anyone, TV card work without sound , and I don't know , where is problem`
`23:52.00`	`Anyone`	`petryk, there is a cord in the box, you need to connect your tv card with the sound card.`
`23:52.00`	`EdLin`	`I have both images and sound with TVTime, though with older kernels I have to tell it what my tuner type is.`
`23:52.02`	`pdr-`	`abrotman, not even knoppix 4 recognizes the nic`
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`23:52.03`	`sdakota`	`Eulex: As a command line option. I want apt-get to use the console just once.`
`23:52.15`	`sdakota`	`Eulex: By a script.`
`23:52.32`	`petryk`	`Anyone, no .. sound card , and tv card is connected`
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`23:52.34`	`Eulex`	`ARMfreak, you just apt-get it. you don't need to compile it. btw, do you have two distros installed?`
`23:52.40`	`vvv`	`Hi, i have a problem with DNS's, all the times i reboot the computer something modify resolv.conf, i remember tht there was an option, where can i find it?`
`23:52.42`	`Anyone`	`petryk, correctly?`
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`23:53.11`	`Eulex`	`sdakota, dunno, but dpkg-reconfigure debconf can change the config interface from for example whiptail to readline`
`23:53.16`	`petryk`	`Anyone, when I connect reproductors to tvcard , though is it without sound`
`23:53.18`	`pdr-`	`vvv, you have an static IP?`
`23:53.23`	`vvv`	`yes i have a router`
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`23:53.31`	`petryk`	`Anyone, yes ... in archlinux work all good`
`23:53.42`	`sdakota`	`Eulex: hm.. I'll try`
`23:53.47`	`EdLin`	`vvv: still running kubuntu?`
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`23:53.58`	`vvv`	`yes but in kubuntu all are sleeping`
`23:53.58`	`pdr-`	`vvv, whats in your /etc/network/interfaces`
`23:54.02`	`pdr-`	`?`
`23:54.06`	`vvv`	`a moment`
`23:54.06`	`Eulex`	`!they don't know`
`23:54.07`	`dpkg`	`Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google.`
`23:54.07`	`petryk`	`Anyone, I use 2.4.xx series of kernel`
`23:54.16`	`EdLin`	`!they don't know`
`23:54.16`	`dpkg`	`Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google.`
`23:54.18`	`Eulex`	`vvv, ^^`
`23:54.30`	`Anyone`	`petryk, I see, interesting!`
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`23:54.46`	`vvv`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:54.53`	`vvv`	`# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system`
`23:54.54`	`vvv`	`# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).`
`23:54.58`	`abrotman`	`pdr-: how about the old eepro driver?`
`23:54.58`	`vvv`	`# The loopback network interface`
`23:54.59`	`EdLin`	`Eulex: GMTA`
`23:55.02`	`vvv`	`auto lo`
`23:55.03`	`Eulex`	`vvv, no. don't.`
`23:55.06`	`vvv`	`iface lo inet loopback`
`23:55.07`	`petryk`	`Anyone, should you send to me you modules.conf?`
`23:55.09`	`Eulex`	`EdLin, yep`
`23:55.10`	`vvv`	`# This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces.`
`23:55.14`	`vvv`	`# They will be activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem.`
`23:55.15`	`pdr-`	`abrotman, havent tried`
`23:55.18`	`vvv`	`mapping hotplug`
`23:55.22`	`vvv`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:55.26`	`vvv`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:55.30`	`vvv`	`# The primary network interface`
`23:55.30`	`abrotman`	`vvv: STOP PASTING`
`23:55.31`	`pdr-`	`abrotman, it surprises me that not even knoppix gets it`
`23:55.34`	`vvv`	`iface eth0 inet dhcp`
`23:55.34`	`Anyone`	`petryk, I am serious, I didn't get the card working, I am returning it the day after tomorrow, and I have already ordered a new card.`
`23:55.35`	`Eulex`	`vvv, if you really have to flood, you're flooding the wrong channel`
`23:55.38`	`vvv`	`iface dsl-provider inet ppp`
`23:55.38`	`vvv`	`provider dsl-provider`
`23:55.38`	`vvv`	`this is`
`23:55.39`	`vvv`	`?`
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`23:55.42`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`23:55.49`	`Eulex`	`there he got what he deserved...`
`23:56.21`	`pdr-`	`true`
`23:56.37`	`petryk`	`Anyone, you did'nt use saa7134 chipset card?`
`23:57.02`	`Anyone`	`petryk, well, I don't use arch-linux. I use stable debian.`
`23:57.05`	`relic`	`vvv, sounds like a brain-dead script on the heaving hacked distro`
`23:57.26`	`relic`	`petryk, it's my new tool :)`
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`23:57.54`	`relic`	`petryk, hehe, it works after...`
`23:58.07`	`Anyone`	`petryk, it was a saa-something. Not sure about the number anymore.`
`23:58.19`	`Eulex`	`seems like he doesn't come back. good.`
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`23:58.32`	`relic`	`saa713x`
`23:58.32`	`Anyone`	`petryk, edlin might have a log .. I was using the different nick.`
`23:58.45`	`relic`	`saa713x family`
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`23:59.33`	`petryk`	`Anyone, and , I use stable debian , and , I want TV card , and , momentally work without sound`
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`23:59.50`	`relic`	`petryk, mine is ok`
`23:59.51`	`GPLGeek`	`the debian for amd64 net-install cd doen't have support for my nforce4 integrated network card, anyone know if it has support for a zonet card?`

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