| 00:00.04 | relic | petryk, hehehehehhe |
| 00:00.10 | petryk | Anyone, whatfor you think , when I be in this chanell? |
| 00:00.37 | relic | petryk, the first time as me? |
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| 00:00.51 | Anyone | GPLGeek, no idea, I am afraid. |
| 00:01.11 | petryk | relic, WTF? |
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| 00:01.32 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 00:01.32 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.12 is probably http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
| 00:02.08 | Anyone | abrotman, binary? Which version of alsa? |
| 00:02.17 | relic | petryk, everytime when I enter this channel, I feel I am the first time, I am a newbie :( |
| 00:02.17 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 00:02.20 | prp | hello i get this error with samba, printing/pcap.c:pcap_cache_reload(149) ; Unable to open printcap file /etc/printcap for read! .. that's because i don't have a printer, and i don't inted to use one, how do i get rid of this error ? can't find anything on google about it |
| 00:02.26 | abrotman | Anyone: NFC .. check ? |
| 00:02.33 | Anyone | abrotman, Thats a recent kernel for sarge, no? |
| 00:02.44 | abrotman | it's an unofficial installer |
| 00:02.51 | Anyone | oh |
| 00:02.51 | Wharf | What was the url again for debian sarge please? |
| 00:02.52 | Anyone | ok |
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| 00:03.27 | Eulex | !d-i |
| 00:03.27 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:03.34 | Wharf | Thank you very much |
| 00:04.42 | petryk | relic, yes , I'am here first time |
| 00:04.48 | GPLGeek | I'm glad that I'm using re-writable CDs for the net install. Saves me some cash lol |
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| 00:05.01 | relic | petryk, me too lol :) |
| 00:05.04 | petryk | hale here any experience with saa7134 chipset on sarge debian? |
| 00:05.19 | Anyone | petryk, pinnacle, no? |
| 00:05.48 | relic | my saa713x chip is the newest |
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| 00:06.16 | petryk | relic, and , work well? |
| 00:06.19 | relic | but this chip has a fatal problem |
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| 00:06.27 | relic | on hardware |
| 00:06.38 | Pathfinder | Hi there, anybody familiar with QOS in Linux ? |
| 00:06.39 | relic | not on software/driver |
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| 00:06.56 | relic | petryk, of course |
| 00:07.13 | pdr_ | abrotman, eepro doesnt work either :-( |
| 00:07.13 | xfan | QOS is like iptables ? |
| 00:07.36 | Anyone | xfan, Uhm .. |
| 00:07.58 | xfan | ? |
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| 00:08.18 | Eulex | Pathfinder, someone must be familiar with it -- someone must have developed it |
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| 00:08.39 | Anyone | Eulex, it wasn't me. ;-) |
| 00:08.51 | Eulex | Anyone, hehe |
| 00:08.55 | Anyone | Anyone, maybe rusty did it? |
| 00:09.16 | Anyone | Eulex, I guess either rusty or the netfilter-group. |
| 00:09.17 | abrotman | pdr_: google "<model> debian driver" |
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| 00:09.39 | Eulex | Pathfinder, your real question is? |
| 00:09.51 | pdr_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.06 | Pathfinder | Eulex, can you tell me my error with tc here : http://pastebin.com/478730 |
| 00:11.07 | Pathfinder | It seems, the traffic didnt pass the pfifo_fast queues --- it seems, it uses the standard fifo queue |
| 00:11.32 | Eulex | Pathfinder, never said *I* was familiar with it |
| 00:11.48 | Pathfinder | okay |
| 00:12.21 | sdakota | gtg, bye |
| 00:13.16 | Eulex | Pathfinder, #iptables or something might be able to help more than #debian |
| 00:13.26 | Eulex | anyway, i gotta go to bed... nite |
| 00:13.32 | relic | nn |
| 00:13.34 | Pathfinder | good night Eulex |
| 00:13.52 | FinnTux | good night Eulex. thanks for help |
| 00:14.02 | relic | may you get peace in dream |
| 00:14.14 | relic | :) |
| 00:14.31 | Pathfinder | hey relic, do you know pfifo_fast ? |
| 00:14.38 | relic | no |
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| 00:18.05 | robin_sz | bah, kernel upgrades .. dont you just love em ... |
| 00:18.15 | Anyone | sucks |
| 00:18.19 | haze` | hi |
| 00:18.37 | robin_sz | there it was running nicely, and apt-get upgrade to 2.6.8-2 and bleeeuuurrp. fuxxored |
| 00:19.19 | Anyone | robin_, Interesting! |
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| 00:19.35 | robin_sz | Anyone: and yes it was running 2.6.8 before |
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| 00:20.00 | Anyone | robin_, What did the fox take? |
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| 00:20.40 | robin_sz | Anyone: fox knows |
| 00:20.51 | Anyone | :-] |
| 00:21.54 | robin_sz | Anyone: wait . ping is back now, but no ssh yet .. seems to be very slooooooow |
| 00:22.15 | nimak2 | ratpoison is awesome |
| 00:22.31 | Anyone | nimak2, rats do not think so, I am sure. |
| 00:22.42 | magyar | need a good rss feed reader for KDE? |
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| 00:22.43 | nimak2 | :-) |
| 00:22.58 | robin_sz | Anyone: well, it depends. some have grown immune |
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| 00:23.20 | Anyone | robin_sz, more ram in the box, I guess. |
| 00:23.33 | Anyone | robin_sz, and uninstall important packages. |
| 00:23.50 | abrotman | pdr_: google didn't work ? |
| 00:23.54 | robin_sz | Anyone: nah, just seems to be taking a long time to come up .. its got a gig, was quick enough before thekernel upgrade |
| 00:24.10 | zinx | robin_sz: immune to rat poison? i think not |
| 00:24.34 | pdr_ | abrotman, didnt find anything about "PL" |
| 00:24.47 | robin_sz | zinx: no, they do exist. rats immune to warfarin type posions are quite common |
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| 00:25.39 | abrotman | pdr_: what does lspci call it ? |
| 00:25.43 | abrotman | !tell MadMax about root |
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| 00:30.57 | LinuxNIT-laptop | how do i find out what programs are listening on what ports? |
| 00:31.09 | aimtrainer | synaptic says if I install kdebluetooth it's gotto delete: Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT: |
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| 00:31.10 | aimtrainer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:31.10 | streuner | man netstat |
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| 00:31.27 | LinuxNIT-laptop | okie |
| 00:31.29 | LinuxNIT-laptop | dokie |
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| 00:31.57 | repp | LinuxNIT-laptop: netstat -nap |
| 00:31.59 | aimtrainer | is any of those packages important? |
| 00:32.03 | magyar | aKregator anyone ???? |
| 00:32.08 | repp | magyar: yes |
| 00:32.14 | SevenIsPrime | Ahhh ... merry Xmas all :) |
| 00:32.18 | repp | merry xmas :) |
| 00:32.26 | magyar | repp, howto make "aKregator" remember the "last read line" when the "back" button is pressed? |
| 00:32.26 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ok thnanks guys |
| 00:32.38 | repp | magyar: usually I'll |
| 00:32.58 | repp | magyar: choose the open in an external browser if I start seriously browsing a link |
| 00:33.04 | repp | magyar: and open all links in new tabs |
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| 00:33.18 | magyar | repp, roger |
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| 00:33.42 | SevenIsPrime | I have tried "kubuntu" but was called a troll for asking why they disable the root user (and make every config GUI tool break if you reanable it), I have tried Gentoo but don't want to wait a week till I can use the system. So I am back to Debian. |
| 00:33.47 | magyar | repp, is it a pattent or is it possible to request the dev to look at this issue? |
| 00:33.48 | SevenIsPrime | However, I do have a problem. |
| 00:33.57 | abrotman | troll! |
| 00:34.04 | SevenIsPrime | I have a brand new notebook |
| 00:34.17 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: ?? |
| 00:34.19 | repp | magyar: well you could ask the dev; wouldn't hurt. |
| 00:34.23 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: humor! |
| 00:34.30 | Atarimaster | i have a t23 but i don't think it is configured right because the mouse doesn't work any suggestions??? |
| 00:34.37 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: I am a bit touchy atm :) |
| 00:34.52 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: anyways .. brand new notebook ... that doesn't work |
| 00:35.33 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: The problem is that "stable" is ... too stable :) Testing is suffering "dependency hell" atm and unstable ... well, not really recommended for productive use. |
| 00:35.56 | SevenIsPrime | So what to do? |
| 00:36.07 | Atarimaster | where is the config file located and what should i change it to |
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| 00:36.32 | SevenIsPrime | Atarimaster: What is a "t23"? |
| 00:36.41 | Atarimaster | IBM thinkpad t23 |
| 00:36.58 | SevenIsPrime | Atarimaster: And you are probably looking for /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 00:37.10 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: you mean KDE is having issues ? |
| 00:37.14 | Atarimaster | huh |
| 00:37.31 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: Yeah. Issues is a nice way of putting it. |
| 00:37.34 | abrotman | Atarimaster: touchpad or trackpoint |
| 00:37.40 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: it's the C++ abi change |
| 00:37.48 | Atarimaster | trackpoint |
| 00:37.53 | abrotman | Atarimaster: kernel ? |
| 00:38.20 | repp | Atarimaster: is your thinkpad both trackpoint as well as touchpad? |
| 00:38.22 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: Yeah, but why do it so ... darn slow in testing? I thought testing would not put packages in until all dependencies have been satisfied. |
| 00:38.23 | Atarimaster | the one that comes with 3.1 sarge |
| 00:38.31 | Atarimaster | trackpoint |
| 00:38.33 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: well .. from what i undersatnd .. you can install most of kde .. just not the metapackage 'kde' |
| 00:38.47 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 00:38.48 | dpkg | hmm... install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 00:38.56 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: Have you tried "k3b"? Oh and "aptitude" has gone, too. |
| 00:38.59 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: so you can start with kdebase |
| 00:39.09 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: i don't use KDE .. i have more common sense than that :) |
| 00:39.11 | Anyone | !install gnustep |
| 00:39.15 | repp | abrotman: pff |
| 00:39.30 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: Ah, come on. Gnome vs. KDE is a non-issue :) |
| 00:39.32 | Anyone | !install gnome |
| 00:39.32 | dpkg | install gnome is, like, to install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 00:40.00 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: not in this case .. gnome isn't suffering from the C++ abi transition like kde is :) |
| 00:40.06 | SevenIsPrime | Atarimaster: Well, what is your Debian version? |
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| 00:40.17 | paulswm | aptitude has gone? No, it's in all distros from oldstable through to experimental |
| 00:40.18 | abrotman | Atarimaster: which kernel .. uname -a |
| 00:40.20 | Atarimaster | 3.1r1 |
| 00:40.31 | abrotman | !Info aptitude etch |
| 00:40.32 | dpkg | aptitude: has nothing about Info |
| 00:40.34 | abrotman | Atarimaster: no .. uname -a |
| 00:40.40 | abrotman | !info aptitude etch |
| 00:40.42 | dpkg | aptitude: (terminal-based apt frontend), section admin, is important. Version: 0.4.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 2538 kB, Installed size: 7676 kB |
| 00:40.46 | paulswm | abrotman: aptitude's in etch, I use it :) |
| 00:40.51 | SevenIsPrime | paulswm: It is "uninstallable" in testing atm. Due to "aptitude: Depends: libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 00:40.59 | Atarimaster | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 00:41.20 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: apt-get update |
| 00:41.31 | abrotman | Atarimaster: try /dev/psaux .. and /dev/input/mice |
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| 00:41.35 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: Oh, as if I did not try that :) |
| 00:41.55 | Anyone | Who was etch? |
| 00:42.05 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, 3 is also a prime! |
| 00:42.10 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: what mirror ? |
| 00:42.22 | Atarimaster | im just going to re install it but what option should i choose |
| 00:42.36 | Atarimaster | they don't just have a trackpoint option |
| 00:42.41 | abrotman | i just told you |
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| 00:43.12 | SevenIsPrime | Atarimaster: just use "standard ps/2 mouse" and you should be fine. |
| 00:43.25 | Atarimaster | ok |
| 00:43.27 | abrotman | he meant the device .. not the protocol |
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| 00:43.39 | Atarimaster | ill try that THANKS!! |
| 00:43.41 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, 3 is also a prime! |
| 00:43.59 | SevenIsPrime | Anyone: so you told me. |
| 00:44.03 | abrotman | Anyone: we heard you the first time |
| 00:44.04 | dvm1981 | i have received an wifi kit, usb wifi key and access point of Dlink |
| 00:44.16 | matadon | I just have to rant: I FUCKING HATE REDHAT. Why the FUCK does EVERY GODDAMN SYSTEM PACKAGE depend on GNOME. Fucking SSH even requires SSH to build the RPM. |
| 00:44.19 | matadon | Asshones. |
| 00:44.25 | abrotman | matadon: wrong channel ? |
| 00:44.27 | matadon | Er, requires X to build the SSH RPM. |
| 00:44.35 | Anyone | abrotman, yeah, sorry for repeating. I was hoping to prompt a reply, a taktics that was slightly successful, btw. |
| 00:44.36 | matadon | abrotman: In here, it's not a flame. ;) |
| 00:44.36 | dvm1981 | i dont know how to configure it under Debian, where can i find good information to start |
| 00:44.45 | abrotman | matadon: it's not in #flood either :) |
| 00:44.47 | SevenIsPrime | matadon: We have sympathy. Switch to Debian :) |
| 00:44.53 | abrotman | !d-i matadon |
| 00:44.55 | dpkg | matadon, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:45.05 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, I was wondering if there were a point with your nick. ;-) |
| 00:45.27 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, curious, I am sometime am. |
| 00:45.36 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, curious, I sometimes am. |
| 00:46.00 | robin_sz | 11 is prime too, so what? |
| 00:46.04 | dvm1981 | I have tested under an other OS and it really fine work, now setting up in Debian, how to ? |
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| 00:46.10 | Anyone | robin_sz, Exactly! |
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| 00:46.24 | robin_sz | Anyone: but 91 isn't |
| 00:46.29 | paulswm | SevenIsPrime: well I can say for sure that aptitude 0.4.1-1 in etch works fine with libsigc++-2.0-0c2a 2.0.16-2 as I have them both installed, if you want to mess with dependencies |
| 00:46.36 | Anyone | robin_sz, point being, whats so very special about seven?!?? |
| 00:46.46 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: what mirror again ? |
| 00:46.49 | matadon | SevenIsPrime: I run Debian everywhere else. If you can convince the vendor of the hosting system I HAVE to use (management) to support Debian, I will be quite happy. |
| 00:46.54 | Faust | hi all |
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| 00:47.12 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: ftp://ftp.debian.skynet.be/ |
| 00:47.23 | relic | which number is in prime list and the fabonacci list? |
| 00:47.26 | robin_sz | Anyone: point? no, primes doint have points. they are always integers |
| 00:47.28 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: maybe try one of the ftp.be.debian.org ? |
| 00:47.31 | Faust | is using a 2.4 kernel with reiser asking for trouble? |
| 00:47.42 | relic | :) |
| 00:47.43 | abrotman | wtf .. this is #math now ? |
| 00:48.03 | Anyone | robin_sz, "ha-ha". :-) |
| 00:48.09 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: Well, I am in belgium right now and they don't have true flatrates. Using that mirror does not count as traffic :) |
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| 00:48.16 | robin_sz | Anyone: OK, I'll take a wild guess ... 7 is the biggest prime the guy has found yet ;) |
| 00:48.22 | hammerabi | Faust: reiser3 appears to be unmaintained now, so no more than using it on 2.6 ;) |
| 00:48.29 | Anyone | robin_sz, your guess is as good as mine, I guess. ;-) |
| 00:48.30 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: and where is ftp.be.debian.org ? |
| 00:48.58 | blondie | beljum |
| 00:49.03 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: not within skynet :) |
| 00:49.24 | blondie | skynet hmm |
| 00:49.27 | dvm1981 | Can anyone point me to a good how to wifi setup ? |
| 00:49.39 | relic | robin_, you brain must be 4 bit |
| 00:49.39 | Anyone | dvm1981, /join #openwrt |
| 00:49.42 | Faust | and it was experimental on 2.4 anyway as I recall. I'm just wondering if anyone does backporting support to 2.4 kernels, namely reiser support. |
| 00:49.44 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: thus download would be counted and taken off the measly 4 gig download/month |
| 00:49.57 | blondie | SevenIsPrime: get a better ISP |
| 00:50.03 | Faust | i guess if 2.6 is unsupported then 2.4 is even moreso |
| 00:50.08 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: your mirror would be out of date then |
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| 00:50.18 | SevenIsPrime | blondie: Name one in belgium that offers a true flatrate, smarty :) |
| 00:50.20 | robin_sz | relic: nah, my brain is analogue |
| 00:50.25 | relic | ... |
| 00:50.30 | abrotman | blondie: still here damn it! |
| 00:50.35 | blondie | o.o |
| 00:50.41 | robin_sz | proper computers are analogue ;) |
| 00:50.44 | rajulocal | I want to report a wishlist bug against konsole. Can I report it using konsole -> help -> Report Bug even though I do not have any mail servers running on my system? or do I need to configure the bug reporting system first? Using Debian Sid if it matters. |
| 00:50.48 | hammerabi | Faust: er, are you yalking about reiser4 or 3? |
| 00:50.48 | relic | s/analogue/radon+chaos |
| 00:51.17 | hammerabi | rajulocal: if you want to report it to Debian, use reportbug |
| 00:51.18 | LinuxNIT-laptop | my brother is running a old debian with the 2.4 kernel and stable sources. is it safe to apt-get upgrade? |
| 00:51.22 | paulswm | abrotman: But he's not saying anything, presumably still spying :P |
| 00:51.22 | blondie | SevenIsPrime: they might provide better service to androids than humans |
| 00:51.27 | Faust | reiser 3 as 4 I believe is still not stable last I read. |
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| 00:51.38 | lekvar | I finally found an installer that's coping correctly with my network card but its a snapshot and the drive partitioner is missing. The drive IS partitioned so... will it be happy if I just mount them myself on the commandline? |
| 00:51.39 | abrotman | paulswm: goodie |
| 00:51.41 | rajulocal | hammerabi: I know about reportbug. But this is not a packaging bug. Got to do with upstream. |
| 00:51.47 | hammerabi | Faust: reiser3 is not maintained in 2.4 or 2.6, but is present in both. |
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| 00:52.12 | Faust | but lets say reiser4, would 4 be backported to 2.4 kernels? |
| 00:52.17 | hammerabi | haha no |
| 00:53.02 | Faust | k |
| 00:53.03 | relic | there are many terrible warnings in reiserfs source |
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| 00:53.04 | Net_Holer | dassssssss |
| 00:53.08 | Net_Holer | fuck off motherfuckers |
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| 00:53.16 | blondie | well quite |
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| 00:53.49 | robin_sz | ahh, another happy customer :) |
| 00:53.53 | Anyone | net_holer: I am no authority in here, so I can ask you to moderate your language. |
| 00:53.59 | hammerabi | do people here join #debian-br, abuse them in broken portuguese and then /part? |
| 00:54.08 | Faust | I take it that reiser 4 uspport is in 2.6 and in sarge |
| 00:54.14 | hammerabi | Faust: no |
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| 00:54.17 | SevenIsPrime | ARGH ... there is again this "ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907" |
| 00:54.21 | hammerabi | reiser4 is not in any mainline kernel |
| 00:54.33 | Anyone | Did Net_Holer leave again? |
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| 00:54.40 | robin_sz | hammerabi: sounds like fun ;) |
| 00:54.41 | Anyone | ahh yeah |
| 00:54.43 | SevenIsPrime | I know it is a faq. But can someone point me to the way to get that pub key recignized? |
| 00:54.43 | hammerabi | SevenIsPrime: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 07DC563D1F41B907 ; gpg --export 07DC563D1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 00:54.44 | paulswm | SevenIsPrime: I saw that yesterday, I installed anyway |
| 00:54.53 | Faust | k, thanks. I hope that changes. |
| 00:54.56 | SevenIsPrime | hammerabi: Thanks :) |
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| 00:57.10 | hammerabi | wish I could say everyone is wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrong |
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| 00:57.53 | matadon | Anyone have any good recommendations for system documentation tools? I'm looking at wikis, but I also need to be able to print formal docs. |
| 00:58.08 | SevenIsPrime | hammerabi: btw, is there some more up to date documentation for "apt-get" that discusses the signature issues? |
| 00:58.24 | SevenIsPrime | matadon: LaTeX + Doxygen :) |
| 00:58.25 | Anyone | matadon, info is the choice of the GNU project. |
| 00:58.53 | hammerabi | SevenIsPrime: I don't know, sorry |
| 00:59.01 | hammerabi | I'm not sure it's the same as "apt secure" was/is |
| 00:59.20 | matadon | I also need some sort of searchable web interface to keep the PHBs happy. |
| 00:59.30 | hammerabi | matadon: if the issue is neat output, you could concoct a special style sheet for printing the wiki pages ;) |
| 00:59.32 | matadon | LaTeX might do the trick. |
| 00:59.35 | Anyone | matadon, pinfo is like lynx. |
| 00:59.45 | matadon | hammerabi: Not a bad idea. |
| 00:59.52 | hammerabi | wikis work very well for that sort of thing, tho. assuming you can't just use text files. |
| 00:59.55 | SevenIsPrime | Well, I switched to the german primary Debian site (ftp.de.debian.org), did an "apt-get update" and still get the "aptitude: Depends: libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 00:59.55 | SevenIsPrime | eps: Broken packages |
| 00:59.55 | SevenIsPrime | " message. Darn. |
| 01:00.10 | hammerabi | SevenIsPrime: you're using sid? |
| 01:00.15 | SevenIsPrime | oops ... sorry. |
| 01:00.20 | SevenIsPrime | hammerabi: No, testing (etch) |
| 01:00.33 | hammerabi | tis possible aptitude is just not instalable on etch |
| 01:00.34 | matadon | hammerabi: I do need to be able to print out the entire doc tree, and I don't know any wikis that can manage for that, though. I've used DocBook in the past, but think that it's crap. |
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| 01:00.38 | SevenIsPrime | hammerabi: I think sid would be less problematic atm :) |
| 01:00.43 | Anyone | Who was etch? I don't remember the english names of all the characters. |
| 01:00.46 | menace | is there any howto, to install quake 3 under Debian Linux 3.1 Stable? |
| 01:00.56 | hammerabi | Anyone: etch-a-sketch |
| 01:01.13 | SevenIsPrime | menace: There is a general howto install quake under any Linux. |
| 01:01.17 | Anyone | hammerabi, Hmm .. not sure I remember him? |
| 01:01.22 | Anyone | hammerabi, from ts2? |
| 01:01.46 | hammerabi | Anyone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etch-a-sketch |
| 01:02.23 | abrotman | !etchasketch |
| 01:02.23 | dpkg | it has been said that etchasketch is the version of debian that will come after Woody. the weirdest name anyone could ever think of for a debian release, or makes my fingers screw up, or the version of debian to come before 2.5, codename kopornikovzky (hey ain't that easy to spell? just like etchasketcha!), or certron wants it to just be called sketch because etchasketch is tough to spell. |
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| 01:02.27 | abrotman | doh! |
| 01:02.39 | matadon | Ok, off to cook dinner; thanks for the tips. |
| 01:02.43 | abrotman | !rice'n'peas'n'turkey'n'ketchup |
| 01:02.43 | dpkg | Yummm.. whatever'sinthefridge-feast-o-rama! |
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| 01:02.53 | menace | SevenIsPrime: ah, yes, i found it |
| 01:02.59 | hammerabi | haha |
| 01:03.06 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: i can get the file |
| 01:03.17 | SevenIsPrime | menace: found what? |
| 01:03.24 | abrotman | ii libsigc++-2.0-0c2a 2.0.16-2 |
| 01:03.38 | menace | the howto :) |
| 01:04.03 | SevenIsPrime | menace: Oh, great. It is on the id-website. |
| 01:04.13 | menace | i found one at linux-gamers.net |
| 01:04.51 | Anyone | There was an etch-a-sketch in TS? |
| 01:05.01 | hammerabi | yes. |
| 01:05.18 | SevenIsPrime | menace: (aside: too bad Windows vista will officially not support OpenGL any more ... that means even less games will be made portable to Linux) |
| 01:05.54 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, depends. |
| 01:05.54 | hammerabi | how do you make an OS "not support" OpenGL? |
| 01:05.59 | SevenIsPrime | I wonder if I should switch to "sid" and give that a try. |
| 01:06.25 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, just be aware, its probably broken, and there is no way back. |
| 01:07.00 | SevenIsPrime | hammerabi: Dunno. I read it here: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/06/177251 |
| 01:07.10 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, and the software you need upgraded the most, is probably somewhat old also in SID, for some odd reason. :-P (Murphys law) |
| 01:07.20 | abrotman | on slashdot .. it's true! |
| 01:07.27 | SevenIsPrime | Anyone: Yeah. I have been there :) |
| 01:07.38 | Anyone | :) |
| 01:07.40 | fooz | too bad xinerama precludes DRI.. hrm |
| 01:08.20 | magyar | i got java installed through make-kpkg, but firefox wont see the plugin???. Konqueror does. (SID AMD64) |
| 01:08.36 | Anyone | One thing I find strange about the wicky about etch-a-sketch, is that it doesn't mention Debian GNU/Linux Etch? |
| 01:08.38 | abrotman | magyar: about:plugins |
| 01:08.40 | SevenIsPrime | I just wish, the updates to firefox would be out a bit more quickly. And of course I wish testing would not screw up my running system so often by uninstalling 100 packages because of dep. hell :( |
| 01:08.57 | magyar | abrotman, firefox shows no plugins installed |
| 01:09.09 | abrotman | then i guess it's not installed eh ? |
| 01:09.14 | magyar | abrotman, konqueror shows java-jre |
| 01:09.37 | liable | magyar: did you make the link? |
| 01:09.51 | g3brown | I'm thinking of using a 400GB ext usb drive with Sarge as a backup drive. Was thinking of formating it fat so I can remove and use on a windows system. Is that possible or would it be better to linux file system and use a util to read linux filesystem from Windows? |
| 01:10.07 | abrotman | !tell g3brown about vfatrw |
| 01:10.13 | magyar | liable, where does firefox keeps its plugin links in SID? |
| 01:10.34 | hammerabi | SevenIsPrime: apt will never uninstall things without asking |
| 01:10.44 | liable | magyar: /mag dpkg java, its in one of its factoids, i cant remember off the top of my head |
| 01:10.58 | SevenIsPrime | hammerabi: Yeah, but sometimes I press "enter" too quickly. |
| 01:11.03 | hammerabi | g3brown: you'll need to backup to tarfiles or such then, just copying files will lose ownership/permissions |
| 01:11.29 | SevenIsPrime | hammerabi: Besides, why do I have to chose, lets say, between an up-to-date kde and aptitude? I want both :) |
| 01:11.43 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: because C++ sucks ? |
| 01:11.45 | hammerabi | because you're not using stable |
| 01:11.57 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, you already wasted four hours, why waste seven? ;-) |
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| 01:12.15 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: i have htat package you need installed .. and i'm using testing |
| 01:12.29 | SevenIsPrime | Anyone: If I knew it was done in seven hours, I'd be a happy bunny. There is no progress bar and I fear it will take 7 days rather than hours. |
| 01:12.45 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: Hmm .. strange. |
| 01:12.55 | abrotman | not strange . you mirror is out of date :) |
| 01:13.12 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: wait .. are any held back ? |
| 01:13.15 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, the first kernel I compiled, took me 3 days to compile. |
| 01:13.25 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: I switched to one of the primary debian sites (ftp.de.debian.org) I doubt it is not up to date. |
| 01:13.33 | g3brown | hammerabi: I currently have a perl script that archives files for x days and deletes the old ones. I'm only backing data from samba shares, so it's all windows stuff anyway. The permissions you speak off don't apply to that then, right? |
| 01:13.50 | SevenIsPrime | Anyone: I am not talking a kernel. I am talking: Xorg and the lot of KDE. |
| 01:14.00 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: let me check. |
| 01:14.01 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: are any held back ? |
| 01:14.04 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, I know .. thats even more sourcecode. |
| 01:14.07 | g3brown | abrotman: is there a way to read ext3 from Windows? |
| 01:14.10 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 01:14.20 | abrotman | !tell g3brown about e2fsexplore |
| 01:14.23 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: pt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:14.23 | SevenIsPrime | Reading package lists... Done |
| 01:14.23 | SevenIsPrime | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 01:14.24 | SevenIsPrime | Calculating upgrade... Done |
| 01:14.24 | SevenIsPrime | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 01:14.25 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, of course, macines are faster now, but still. |
| 01:14.26 | abrotman | wait .. that's wrong |
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| 01:14.37 | SevenIsPrime | sorry |
| 01:14.37 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, of course, macines are faster now, but still. |
| 01:14.45 | abrotman | !tell g3brown about explore2fs |
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| 01:14.51 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: #flood ? |
| 01:14.55 | SevenIsPrime | have to learn how to c&p without new lines in it :) |
| 01:15.01 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: sorry |
| 01:15.03 | abrotman | !tell g3brown about ext2ifs |
| 01:15.21 | g3brown | abrotman: I have seen explore2fs. That only does ext3 I think. |
| 01:15.22 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: nothing held back, nothing to be upgraded |
| 01:15.33 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, /exec -o apt-get dist-upgrade | xargs |
| 01:15.40 | abrotman | i want -u |
| 01:15.53 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, /exec -o apt-get d-u ist-upgrade | xargs |
| 01:16.02 | Anyone | oops |
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| 01:16.10 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: ok .. then add deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 01:16.17 | Anyone | abrotman, /exec -o apt-get -u dist-upgrade | xargs |
| 01:16.24 | abrotman | Anyone: i don't need it .. |
| 01:16.32 | abrotman | Anyone: and that only works if you irc as root |
| 01:16.33 | bluefox83 | where can i find info about networking a ps2 through my linux box? |
| 01:16.33 | bbrazil | Anyone: that would only work as root, and we hope they aren't ircing as root |
| 01:16.47 | Anyone | abrotman, fill in your sudos as you like. ;-) |
| 01:17.02 | abrotman | Anyone: no thanks .. and i still don't need it |
| 01:17.17 | Anyone | raijt |
| 01:17.24 | SevenIsPrime | Anyone: Reading package lists... Building dependency tree... 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 01:17.34 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, :-) |
| 01:18.06 | Anyone | abrotman, it was a joke though .. you asked for "-u" |
| 01:18.09 | SevenIsPrime | I'll ponder this further tomorrow. |
| 01:18.19 | SevenIsPrime | thanks for the hints and all. |
| 01:18.20 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: you added the .us source ? |
| 01:18.33 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: Nope, just the german one (.de) |
| 01:18.39 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, try apt-get update # though |
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| 01:18.46 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: erm .. ok |
| 01:18.51 | SevenIsPrime | Anyone: I have done that 10 minutes ago |
| 01:18.59 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: But it is a primary site. |
| 01:19.05 | Anyone | SevenIsPrime, you need to do it after you edit your list. |
| 01:19.10 | SevenIsPrime | (as listed on the debian project mirror page) |
| 01:19.14 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: doesn't mean it's up to date |
| 01:19.17 | SevenIsPrime | Anyone: No shit. |
| 01:19.34 | SevenIsPrime | abrotman: ok, I'll try the us one tomorrow. |
| 01:19.40 | abrotman | Anyone: you're not being very helpful |
| 01:19.46 | abrotman | SevenIsPrime: do it now! :) |
| 01:19.58 | SevenIsPrime | see ya later |
| 01:20.01 | abrotman | ok .. night |
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| 01:20.10 | Anyone | abrotman, and even worse - I am not being very funny - either! |
| 01:20.27 | abrotman | yeah . no kidding |
| 01:20.52 | Anyone | Well, maybe I am .. but if noone gets it anyhow, the point seems rather moot. |
| 01:20.53 | bluefox83 | arg..i have a problem/query and no idea how to phrase it *pulls hair out* |
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| 01:21.18 | abrotman | bluefox83: i don't see the problem .. it's like any other NAT |
| 01:21.27 | abrotman | !tell nemontemi_ about away |
| 01:21.32 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i've never done NAT |
| 01:21.38 | abrotman | !nat |
| 01:21.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, nat is Network Address Translation. See also ipmasq, or patented by CISCO, or ip-masq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. see also 'netfilter docs', or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 |
| 01:21.40 | abrotman | !masq |
| 01:21.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, masq is See: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L |
| 01:22.01 | abrotman | bluefox83: that should give you enough to read |
| 01:22.09 | bluefox83 | @.@ |
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| 01:22.38 | Anyone | good night |
| 01:22.44 | nimak2 | im trying to get sudo to let me run any command as root, but ask me for a password first, ALL=ALL doesnt work, nor does ALL=PASSWD: ALL , they both fail to ask for a password |
| 01:23.25 | Anyone | nimak2: 1) remeber to use "visudo" to edit sudo file. 2) Copy the line for root. |
| 01:23.38 | nimak2 | i did, both |
| 01:23.49 | nimak2 | ill try again |
| 01:24.08 | Anyone | nimak2, Good :-) |
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| 01:24.13 | MyWay | Hi, i'm having problems with my Atlantis router: i set the dns server in /etc/resolv.conf, after this i connect with pon dsl-provider, when i reboot the computer, the resolv.conf is changed and i have to set it again with the dns server, what can i do? |
| 01:24.27 | hammerabi | fix your router |
| 01:24.29 | abrotman | MyWay: read the dhclient.conf |
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| 01:24.37 | MyWay | where is it? |
| 01:24.41 | MyWay | hammerabi: how? |
| 01:24.42 | Anyone | MyWay, maybe you're interested in openwrt |
| 01:24.48 | Anyone | !tell myway about openwrt |
| 01:24.57 | MyWay | tell me about openwrt |
| 01:24.58 | MyWay | :O |
| 01:25.10 | abrotman | i always put conf files in C:\Documents And Settings\abrotman\CoolStuffThatINeed\ |
| 01:25.11 | Anyone | MyWay, http://openwrt.org join /openwrt |
| 01:25.24 | abrotman | Anyone: knock it off ... |
| 01:25.41 | Anyone | !openwrt is at http://openwrt.org - a free OS to run on your broadcom based router. |
| 01:25.43 | dpkg | Anyone: okay |
| 01:26.12 | abrotman | he should fix his dhclient config file |
| 01:26.19 | abrotman | or fix his ppp scripts |
| 01:26.21 | MyWay | it's not a wireless router Anyone, but thanks anyway. |
| 01:26.21 | hammerabi | is that actually true? |
| 01:26.22 | Anyone | abrotman, Ahh .. you run ms-windows. |
| 01:26.33 | MyWay | Hi, i'm having problems with my Atlantis router: i set the dns server in /etc/resolv.conf, after this i connect with pon dsl-provider, when i reboot the computer, the resolv.conf is changed and i have to set it again with the dns server, what can i do? |
| 01:26.36 | nimak2 | Anyone, it still doesnt ask |
| 01:26.38 | hammerabi | afaik it only runs on linksys wrt54g-based systems |
| 01:26.41 | abrotman | but god damn it .. fucking up your router is no way to do it |
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| 01:26.49 | nimak2 | will it only ask once or something? |
| 01:26.55 | Anyone | MyWay, listen to abrotman. I guess you're not interested in the configuration of the router. :-) |
| 01:26.56 | hammerabi | MyWay: uh, no need to repeat your whole thing again |
| 01:27.13 | MyWay | Anyone: i'm simply interested in making it working. |
| 01:27.19 | MyWay | Is that so hard to understand for you? |
| 01:27.30 | Anyone | MyWay, each to his or her own. |
| 01:27.42 | bluefox83 | abrotman, that tutorial gives instructions for static network card ip or dynamic dialup.. if memory serves..isn't standard cable dynamic? |
| 01:27.45 | abrotman | MyWay: dhclient and ppp both have options to not switch your DNS |
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| 01:27.51 | MyWay | Exactly Anyone, so stop talk. |
| 01:27.57 | abrotman | bluefox83: so ? |
| 01:27.58 | MyWay | oh nice abrotman |
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| 01:28.12 | Anyone | MyWay, no need to be rude. |
| 01:28.14 | bluefox83 | abrotman, can i interchange the commands it gives? |
| 01:28.18 | MyWay | abrotman: thanks for you help but i have one more question: do you know the name of those files? |
| 01:28.27 | abrotman | MyWay: it's pppoe ? |
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| 01:28.31 | MyWay | yeah |
| 01:28.48 | abrotman | i've never used pppoe .. but if it's like regular ppp ... let me look |
| 01:28.58 | MyWay | ok |
| 01:29.00 | Anyone | but you do use ms-windows .. tee hee. :-) |
| 01:29.18 | Atarimaster | which is better for laptops xfce, kde, or gnome |
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| 01:29.32 | abrotman | Anyone: now you're getting annoying |
| 01:29.49 | bluefox83 | Atarimaster, personal preference is all that can answer that |
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| 01:30.11 | MyWay | i'm loving abrotman |
| 01:30.23 | MyWay | but my idol is always fbi :O |
| 01:30.41 | abrotman | where is fbi ? |
| 01:30.42 | Atarimaster | does kde have a battery meter for its panel |
| 01:30.45 | liable | wow, cybergroupies :) |
| 01:30.49 | Shadowcat | Atarimaster: umm ya |
| 01:31.00 | MyWay | Don't know. |
| 01:31.08 | Atarimaster | wtf |
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| 01:31.18 | MyWay | Can't see him today. |
| 01:31.25 | visik7 | hi |
| 01:31.27 | EdLin | !kingsleysmite MyWay |
| 01:31.27 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer MyWay: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.767304393035499! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 01:31.56 | MyWay | lol |
| 01:32.12 | visik7 | what's the difference between apt-get -t <debian_version> package and apt-get install package/debian_version ??? |
| 01:32.15 | bucky | Atarimaster, xfce4 has xfce4-battery-plugin |
| 01:32.35 | Shadowcat | visik7: man apt-get |
| 01:32.35 | bucky | kde does too |
| 01:32.45 | EdLin | MyWay: you get that for admiring someone with such a low Productivity* rating. ;-) |
| 01:32.47 | Shadowcat | KDE has at least three plugins |
| 01:32.52 | bluefox83 | abrotman, since i have a dynamic ip that's on a cable modem.. can i turn iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE into iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ethj MASQUERADE ? |
| 01:32.53 | Shadowcat | I'm using two of them |
| 01:32.56 | MyWay | :P |
| 01:32.56 | abrotman | damn it .. where's that option |
| 01:33.04 | abrotman | bluefox83: ask #iptables |
| 01:33.12 | bluefox83 | er, -ethj + eth0 |
| 01:33.18 | bucky | Atarimaster, kde will use maybe more than 256 M of ram |
| 01:33.27 | abrotman | bluefox83: that might work .. but i'm not a guru with iptables |
| 01:33.27 | bluefox83 | abrotman, it's from the tutorial you linked me to... |
| 01:33.34 | bluefox83 | k |
| 01:33.39 | abrotman | bluefox83: i know .. but i haven't done nat/masq in a while |
| 01:33.59 | bluefox83 | abrotman, ok, thanks for pointing me in the right direction! |
| 01:34.00 | visik7 | Shadowcat: I can't find any reference to package/debian_version |
| 01:34.05 | abrotman | MyWay: i know it's there .. i can't damn find it |
| 01:34.15 | MyWay | damn |
| 01:34.21 | Atarimaster | shit |
| 01:34.21 | Atarimaster | ill go with xfce |
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| 01:34.51 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 01:34.58 | Shadowcat | KDE isn't very light |
| 01:34.58 | Atarimaster | what is the keyboard model for an ibm t23 ...........pc*** |
| 01:35.07 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 01:35.13 | Shadowcat | how the hell would we know? |
| 01:35.27 | liable | Atarimaster: get the manual from ibm, how is this related to #debian? |
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| 01:35.42 | abrotman | MyWay: it's supposed to copy your current resolv.conf into /etc/ppp/resolv/ |
| 01:35.46 | hammerabi | presumably for configuring X |
| 01:35.47 | bucky | count the keys and fake it |
| 01:35.48 | Atarimaster | im configureing debain right now |
| 01:35.50 | liable | Atarimaster: you can download the service manuals |
| 01:36.02 | Atarimaster | im lazy |
| 01:36.02 | nimak | is there any way to get a nick i really want that is registered to someone who hasnt logged in since he registered? |
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| 01:36.08 | Shadowcat | !lazy |
| 01:36.09 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 01:36.20 | abrotman | nimak: ask #freenode |
| 01:36.31 | bluefox83 | Atarimaster, does the top left row of keys say qwerty? |
| 01:36.39 | Shadowcat | haha |
| 01:36.46 | nimak | thanks, abrotman |
| 01:36.52 | Shadowcat | bluefox83 now you're just being mean |
| 01:36.54 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 01:36.57 | Atarimaster | no, but i already figured it out |
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| 01:37.11 | pdr_ | abrotman, lspci says: Ethernet controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 109a |
| 01:37.18 | abrotman | dude ... that took hours :) |
| 01:37.24 | abrotman | pdr_: does it have any internet ? |
| 01:37.32 | bluefox83 | Shadowcat, i was just asking an innocent question! O;) |
| 01:37.32 | abrotman | !update-pciids |
| 01:37.35 | abrotman | !updatepciids |
| 01:37.36 | bucky | some people service lazy people.. but it's no fun, they just lay there |
| 01:37.40 | abrotman | i give up |
| 01:37.52 | pdr_ | abrotman, no, im switching between windows / linux |
| 01:38.12 | abrotman | pdr_: oh jeez |
| 01:38.13 | abrotman | uhm |
| 01:38.28 | Atarimaster | i have always used slackware and then i found debian |
| 01:38.49 | pdr_ | abrotman, i only have this machine at hand |
| 01:38.52 | Shadowcat | I so don't believe that |
| 01:39.01 | Shadowcat | if you used slackware you'd know how to write an xorg.conf file |
| 01:39.04 | abrotman | http://pciids.sourceforge.net/pci.ids.bz2 .. and unzip it it as /var/lib/pciutils/pci.ids |
| 01:39.07 | pdr_ | abrotman, just taking it out of the box |
| 01:39.14 | abrotman | pdr_: you have no other NIC ? |
| 01:39.15 | bucky | Atarimaster, you are a Slacker and you don't know what kind of keyboard you have? |
| 01:39.29 | Shadowcat | bucky: that's why I said I didn't believe him |
| 01:39.36 | pdr_ | abrotman, not here :( ill buy one tomorrow then |
| 01:39.58 | Atarimaster | no i just forgot |
| 01:40.06 | abrotman | pdr_: that url i just pasted .. has pciids .. see if you can get it in windows .. download the file ... bunzip2 it .. and put it in as that file in linux and run lspci again |
| 01:40.16 | abrotman | fuck .. what is that stupid pppd option |
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| 01:40.55 | liable | to do what? |
| 01:41.16 | pdr_ | abrotman, thaks a lot |
| 01:41.20 | Atarimaster | YES it works it all works |
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| 01:42.27 | benjamindees | I'd like to be able to redirect stderr (2) to a pipe. Is this possible? |
| 01:42.47 | nimak | do i have to have voice for people to hear me on #freenode? |
| 01:42.59 | abrotman | nimak: yes .. you have to wait |
| 01:42.59 | liable | yes |
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| 01:43.10 | bluefox83 | crapola :X |
| 01:43.18 | EdLin | benjamindees: 2>&1 |
| 01:43.21 | nimak | ah, ok, thats why no ones replying :-P |
| 01:43.28 | bluefox83 | anyone know the name of the masqerading module in 2.6 kernels? |
| 01:43.31 | EdLin | benjamindees: or 2> foo |
| 01:43.54 | benjamindees | EdLin, I need just stderr, and a pipe not a file :( |
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| 01:44.13 | EdLin | benjamindees: OK, maybe 2 | foo |
| 01:44.28 | abrotman | MyWay: maybe ms-dns .. i'm not sure |
| 01:44.36 | abrotman | MyWay: ignore |
| 01:44.46 | benjamindees | EdLin, doesn't seem to work |
| 01:44.54 | EdLin | benjamindees: or maybe a hack using tee |
| 01:45.08 | EdLin | benjamindees: this is a question that maybe people on #bash can answer |
| 01:45.08 | magyar | need help with firefox and java plugin. I followed all the instructions to install the java package from male-jpkg, but my /etc/alternatives/"java plugins" lead to dead directories in /usr/lib/j2re1.5-XX/plugins. Can someone help a brother? (SID AMD64) |
| 01:45.13 | MyWay | msdns? |
| 01:45.21 | abrotman | MyWay: ignore |
| 01:45.25 | benjamindees | EdLin, ah, didn't know there was a #bash :) |
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| 01:47.05 | abrotman | MyWay: ha! |
| 01:47.10 | abrotman | MyWay: still there? |
| 01:47.16 | MyWay | yes |
| 01:47.33 | abrotman | MyWay: what is your isp ? or rahter .. $1 to pon ? |
| 01:47.51 | cyanid3 | I need some advice. The first time that I installed debian I was a little trigger-happy with apt-get and installed way too many packages. I decided to reinstall it again, but I was wondering if anyone here knows what could have caused me to receive a lot of errors relating to qt and kde libraries when installing packages through apt-get? |
| 01:47.53 | abrotman | MyWay: pon <what> ? |
| 01:47.59 | MyWay | pon dsl-provider |
| 01:48.12 | abrotman | cyanid3: you're not running stable ? |
| 01:48.15 | cyanid3 | haha |
| 01:48.16 | abrotman | MyWay: oh .. you type that ? |
| 01:48.17 | cyanid3 | far from it |
| 01:48.25 | abrotman | MyWay: cd /etc/ppp/peers/ |
| 01:48.33 | cyanid3 | i figured that had a lot to do with it |
| 01:48.33 | abrotman | MyWay: vi dsl-provider |
| 01:48.48 | abrotman | MyWay: find the 'usepeerdns' ..and comment it .. see if that does it |
| 01:49.28 | MyWay | abrotman: it's already #ed |
| 01:49.33 | MyWay | but nothing to do :( |
| 01:49.34 | abrotman | ack! no! |
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| 01:49.56 | MyWay | do i have to configure something with the router? |
| 01:50.02 | cyanid3 | so I read the apt-get manual and i gathered that all that you have to do to get stable packages is to enter "APT::Default-Release "stable";" into the apt.conf file right? |
| 01:50.10 | Atarimaster | how would i go about getting a pcmica aetheros card running |
| 01:50.40 | Atarimaster | and configured |
| 01:50.47 | abrotman | MyWay: is it in the /etc/ppp/options ? |
| 01:50.53 | MyWay | i go on 192.168.1.254 |
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| 01:50.56 | MyWay | waitr i check |
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| 01:51.30 | cyanid3 | is that the correct way to make sure that you get 'stable' packages? |
| 01:51.33 | MyWay | no abrotman |
| 01:51.37 | MyWay | there isn't |
| 01:51.47 | abrotman | MyWay: the only other thing i can think to check the /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 01:51.54 | MyWay | ok |
| 01:52.06 | hammerabi | cyanid3: not if you're using sid |
| 01:52.14 | cyanid3 | i'm using sarge |
| 01:52.28 | abrotman | MyWay: or check dhclient-scripts |
| 01:52.38 | hammerabi | cyanid3: then it doesn't matter whether you have it or not, apt will only get packages from stable |
| 01:53.04 | tarzeau | i'm using sid |
| 01:53.23 | cyanid3 | hmm, even if i enter a third party repository? |
| 01:53.23 | vivid | i installed the nvidia drivers and when i 'startx' it gives me the error "Caught Signal 11. Server Aborting" any idea what this means? |
| 01:53.52 | cyanid3 | into the sources.list |
| 01:53.55 | tarzeau | vivid: #nvidia |
| 01:54.04 | tarzeau | cyanid3: warranty void |
| 01:54.17 | MyWay | thanks you all, ill try something |
| 01:54.18 | cyanid3 | sorry? |
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| 01:54.27 | bluefox83 | vivid, it's gonna esplode! |
| 01:54.33 | bluefox83 | j/k |
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| 01:54.44 | cyanid3 | hmm |
| 01:54.49 | cyanid3 | that kinda stinks |
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| 01:55.09 | cyanid3 | so building packages from source is probably the best way to get new packages |
| 01:55.18 | hammerabi | it depends on what you are trying to do |
| 01:55.27 | tarzeau | cyanid3: build packages for stuff that's not packaged yet |
| 01:55.42 | tarzeau | cyanid3: otherwise !simple sid backport |
| 01:55.46 | tarzeau | and www.backports.org |
| 01:55.50 | tarzeau | or use right ahead sid |
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| 01:56.17 | cyanid3 | alright |
| 01:56.21 | cyanid3 | another question |
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| 01:56.34 | tuv | is there a cp-like program that shows its progress? i guess cp can't do that, can it? |
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| 01:56.41 | tarzeau | tuv: mc |
| 01:57.05 | cyanid3 | i just formatted my desktop, which i'm talking about, and I was thinking about getting the packages from my cd's but there seems to be a problem |
| 01:57.18 | cyanid3 | now i just have a very basic system |
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| 01:57.46 | cyanid3 | can i just enter the official repo closest to me and use some apt command to install debian? |
| 01:57.55 | tarzeau | sure |
| 01:58.06 | cyanid3 | what would that command be? |
| 01:58.10 | EdLin | cyanid3: apt-setup |
| 01:58.14 | mne | Hi ! I just installed debian on a new harddisk, this time with lvm2 and dm-crypt. The problem is that I can't enable DMA for the HDD anymore: "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" |
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| 01:58.18 | cyanid3 | ah |
| 01:58.20 | cyanid3 | awesome |
| 01:58.30 | cyanid3 | thanks a lot |
| 01:58.36 | cyanid3 | i'm going to get on that |
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| 01:58.47 | debian-san | !dpkg yacc |
| 01:58.48 | dpkg | i heard yacc is Yet Another Compiler Compiler, or apt-get install bison |
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| 01:59.10 | EdLin | cyanid3: then after you've set up, man apt-get and man aptitude |
| 01:59.43 | liable | bluefox83: have you tried shorewall for doing nat? (quite easy to setup) |
| 01:59.54 | bluefox83 | shorewall? |
| 02:00.02 | bluefox83 | never heard of it o.o |
| 02:00.22 | liable | bluefox83: http://www.shorewall.net/two-interface.htm |
| 02:00.46 | relic | it's a useless coat |
| 02:01.05 | relic | an |
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| 02:05.29 | liable | magyar: did you follow the debian-administration page? |
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| 02:06.45 | bluefox83 | i think the shorewall how-to page fried my brain.. |
| 02:07.07 | bluefox83 | feels like i've got nothing but jello in my head :( |
| 02:07.57 | liable | bluefox83: really? read it slower :) |
| 02:07.59 | h3xis | i just install debian 3.1r1 on a computer and it's connected to a wired router. the router is config'd with DHCP, as is the system, so when it starts up it'll say some crap about DHCPDISCOVER at 255.255.255.255 on port so and so at so and so interval and won't grab an IP...i've tried everything and cant get it to work. anyone have any experience with this? |
| 02:08.21 | bluefox83 | nah, i'm just tired..during the work week i am usually in bed by now.. |
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| 02:09.14 | bluefox83 | i'm going to bed...i'll come back another time to pick your brain when mine isn't jello :) |
| 02:09.25 | liable | h3xis: it works once the system is up (dhclient) |
| 02:09.39 | h3xis | liable, i ran dhclient eth0 and it did the same thing |
| 02:10.06 | liable | h3xis: whats ifconfig -a say? are the cards modules loaded? |
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| 02:10.51 | h3xis | well im on knoppix at the moment, but when i ran ifconfig -a it showed all the ifs (including eth0) |
| 02:11.18 | liable | h3xis: can you set a static ip ok? |
| 02:11.18 | h3xis | whenever it was trying to config the network during install, it was able to acquire an IP after much "retrying" |
| 02:11.29 | h3xis | mmm do i really have to? :\ |
| 02:11.42 | liable | h3xis: maybe try another client |
| 02:11.45 | h3xis | oh? |
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| 02:12.06 | magyar | liable: sure did, that is why am asking some input here, what ever they have there doesnt apply |
| 02:12.06 | h3xis | im not even sure which client im using now |
| 02:12.28 | magyar | liable, i belive there is also a bug report in bts for some platforms |
| 02:12.37 | liable | theres a few, pump, dhclient, dhcp3-client |
| 02:12.42 | magyar | liable, but so far no solutions |
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| 02:13.06 | liable | magyar: ah, have you tried #debian-amd64? |
| 02:13.11 | odla | how do i activate the shutdown and reboot options in icewm when i hit 'ctrl+alt+del' |
| 02:13.30 | cyanid3 | i'm back |
| 02:13.31 | magyar | liable, sure did, kind of quite there |
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| 02:13.39 | cyanid3 | with another newbie question |
| 02:13.46 | cyanid3 | *debian newbie that is |
| 02:13.59 | cyanid3 | i went to the backports page |
| 02:14.27 | cyanid3 | and it was talking about manually enabling a repository that's disabled by default in the prefs file |
| 02:14.37 | cyanid3 | it was pretty straightforward |
| 02:15.09 | cyanid3 | except for the fact that there could be a thousand repositories that used the name 'sarge-backpoarts' |
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| 02:15.33 | cyanid3 | is there a way to enter more specific paramaters than just the name of the repository |
| 02:15.36 | EvilSporkMan | why is mp4 support in faac unavailable? |
| 02:15.42 | cyanid3 | like the url or somehting like that |
| 02:15.51 | EvilSporkMan | oh, excuse me, faac is in marillat |
| 02:15.51 | odla | cyanid3: what do you mean? you mean in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 02:16.15 | cyanid3 | i'm talking about this: http://backports.org/instructions.html |
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| 02:16.26 | tarzeau | i SO HATE firefox |
| 02:16.32 | cyanid3 | regarding how to do this with more than one repository |
| 02:16.37 | odla | tarzeau: do you HATE bub-n-bros? |
| 02:16.39 | odla | he he |
| 02:16.44 | tarzeau | odla: never crashes |
| 02:16.50 | tarzeau | but this awful damned firefox! |
| 02:16.52 | odla | tarzeau: 1.5? |
| 02:16.57 | tarzeau | i'd like to kick the developers in their nuts |
| 02:16.59 | cyanid3 | several of my repositories in my sources.list file have the name sarge |
| 02:17.07 | tarzeau | odla: doesn't matter, all the firefox shit crashes |
| 02:17.19 | odla | tarzeau: i've found ff 1.5 crashes all the time |
| 02:17.21 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: i would if it was available |
| 02:17.27 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 02:17.31 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: on windows I DO use ie over firefox bullshit |
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| 02:17.40 | Shadowcat | tarzeau == Microsoft Posterchild |
| 02:17.42 | Shadowcat | GET HIM! |
| 02:17.52 | cyanid3 | according to that page in order to disable it by default i need to enter the repository name ie a=sarge-backpoarts |
| 02:17.54 | dalias | hey, just ran into big problems after dist-upgrade :( |
| 02:18.05 | cyanid3 | there could be more than one sarge-backpoarts |
| 02:18.06 | dalias | it's trying to remove sysvinit and sysv-rc packages which is quite bad |
| 02:18.06 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: hey nothing wrong avoiding crap software |
| 02:18.11 | Shadowcat | dalias: what did you upgrade to? |
| 02:18.11 | cyanid3 | see what i mean? |
| 02:18.11 | odla | cyanid3: you need to edit /etc/apt/preferences |
| 02:18.16 | EvilSporkMan | aaaack...how did i accidentally pull in most of unstable? i thought i was pinned at testing :( |
| 02:18.18 | cyanid3 | i know |
| 02:18.19 | odla | cyanid3: backports are easy |
| 02:18.19 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: IE is crap software |
| 02:18.22 | dalias | shadowcat, unstable |
| 02:18.28 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: at least it doesn't crash like fucking firefox |
| 02:18.38 | Shadowcat | dalias: that's not our problem then |
| 02:18.41 | Shadowcat | you're running sid |
| 02:18.43 | odla | cyanid3: add this deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main |
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| 02:18.46 | Shadowcat | you should know what that entails |
| 02:18.48 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: i also run stable |
| 02:18.54 | cyanid3 | okay |
| 02:18.56 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: and it keeps crashing too |
| 02:19.00 | odla | cyanid3: then add this |
| 02:19.05 | Shadowcat | doesn't do that here |
| 02:19.07 | odla | cyanid3: then add this../etc/apt/preferences |
| 02:19.08 | dalias | *sigh* |
| 02:19.09 | cyanid3 | haah |
| 02:19.14 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 02:19.16 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: fuck off |
| 02:19.23 | tarzeau | :) |
| 02:19.28 | Shadowcat | !beat tarzeau |
| 02:19.32 | tarzeau | !rape Shadowcat |
| 02:19.33 | dalias | is there anywhere i can read up about what causes stuff like this and clean it up? |
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| 02:19.41 | odla | cyanid3: Package: * |
| 02:19.45 | sfullenwider | What do I need to play wax files? |
| 02:19.49 | Shadowcat | dalias: ok why the hell are you running sid in the first place? |
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| 02:19.50 | odla | cyanid3: Pin: release sarge-backports |
| 02:20.00 | odla | cyanid3: Pin-Priority: 200 |
| 02:20.12 | cyanid3 | isnt there supposed to be an 'a=' |
| 02:20.13 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: I pity you. |
| 02:20.16 | odla | cyanid3: no |
| 02:20.19 | rednaxel | anyone uses whereami (for laptop network configuration)? |
| 02:20.25 | dalias | shadowcat, that question doesn't much help now, does it? |
| 02:20.25 | odla | cyanid3: no need |
| 02:20.33 | sfullenwider | grr. |
| 02:20.36 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: It'd be much better if Firefox could restore tabs after crashing, as it crashes often indeed. |
| 02:20.37 | Shadowcat | dalias: well answer the question |
| 02:20.38 | cyanid3 | okay |
| 02:20.48 | sanxiyn | I've no idea why it can't. |
| 02:20.50 | cyanid3 | i want to use this system on more than one repository |
| 02:20.53 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: yes it's the urls i lose that i'm sad about |
| 02:20.53 | odla | cyanid3: you can then eitehr continue to edit the preferences file or use apt-get -t sarge-backports install <package> |
| 02:21.02 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: because it's shit software |
| 02:21.05 | dalias | its not my box. anyway it's always been running unstable because packages in stable are way too outdated and testing is always insecure |
| 02:21.08 | cyanid3 | what if there's another repository named sarge-backports |
| 02:21.08 | Shadowcat | !tell dalias about unstable |
| 02:21.09 | odla | cyanid3: enter the name of the packages with a pin-priority of 999 those that you want |
| 02:21.17 | odla | cyanid3: there isn't at backports.org |
| 02:21.22 | odla | cyanid3: go to irc.oftc.net |
| 02:21.28 | odla | cyanid3: #debian-backports |
| 02:21.39 | dalias | shadowcat, i fucking know that |
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| 02:21.43 | Shadowcat | dalias: right, it's always someone else's box |
| 02:21.46 | kronus | hi |
| 02:21.48 | Shadowcat | obviously |
| 02:22.02 | cyanid3 | it's not a backports problem i'm having |
| 02:22.04 | dalias | i was hoping someone might have some advice on where i could read and find useful info |
| 02:22.05 | cyanid3 | it's an apt issue |
| 02:22.05 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: I grdugingly accept looking at history sidebar when it happens though... |
| 02:22.11 | sfullenwider | stupid people and their esoteric audio formats |
| 02:22.13 | Shadowcat | dalias: ya go install stable |
| 02:22.17 | kronus | so i'm trying to install debian on an old sun box |
| 02:22.19 | dalias | not an option shadowcat |
| 02:22.23 | odla | cyanid3: what's your problem? if there's a package at two different repositories? |
| 02:22.28 | dalias | not stfu if you can't say anything helpful |
| 02:22.28 | Shadowcat | dalias: why not? |
| 02:22.29 | cyanid3 | yeah |
| 02:22.39 | dalias | this is an existing system not a new install |
| 02:22.40 | Shadowcat | dalias: ok let me put it bluntly then |
| 02:22.41 | cyanid3 | well |
| 02:22.41 | kronus | and it is not booting from the CD |
| 02:22.42 | cyanid3 | not in mine |
| 02:22.44 | kronus | probably CD issue? |
| 02:22.54 | Shadowcat | dalias: the kernels are currently BROKEN in sid |
| 02:22.58 | odla | cyanid3: backports will not be the preferred repository b/c of the pin-priority of 200 |
| 02:22.59 | Shadowcat | so if you upgraded blindly |
| 02:23.01 | sanxiyn | Shadda: Really? |
| 02:23.03 | Shadowcat | that system isn't gonna work anyway |
| 02:23.04 | dalias | thats nice i'm not trying to use the kernel |
| 02:23.04 | cyanid3 | okay |
| 02:23.04 | odla | cyanid3: you're main repository will be |
| 02:23.15 | sanxiyn | Shadowcat: Works for me. |
| 02:23.15 | cyanid3 | backports was just my example |
| 02:23.19 | dalias | just userspace |
| 02:23.23 | dalias | so quit being an ass |
| 02:23.27 | cyanid3 | say ftp.nerim.net |
| 02:23.30 | Shadowcat | sanxiyn: and what kernel are you running? |
| 02:23.40 | sanxiyn | Shadowcat: 2.6.14-2-686. |
| 02:23.48 | Shadowcat | that's the one that's broken |
| 02:23.48 | odla | cyanid3: apt will always choose the newest packages unless specified in preferences |
| 02:24.05 | cyanid3 | okay |
| 02:24.07 | sanxiyn | Shadowcat: Oops, this machine is not IDE root :-) |
| 02:24.21 | odla | cyanid3: it wont' with backports if you edited preferences |
| 02:24.29 | sanxiyn | Shadowcat: I mean, if your root is /dev/sd*... |
| 02:24.31 | Shadowcat | sanxiyn: you're fucking lucky then |
| 02:24.37 | odla | cyanid3: make sense now? |
| 02:24.45 | Shadowcat | sanxiyn: I don't run a debian kernel |
| 02:24.51 | Shadowcat | so I was immune to that particular problem |
| 02:24.58 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: same here :) |
| 02:25.02 | Shadowcat | it fucked a whole lot of people though |
| 02:25.07 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: and you don't upgrade daily blindly either? |
| 02:25.10 | cyanid3 | i'm not confused about how to use backports or the mechanism that is mentioned in at the backports site |
| 02:25.11 | odla | tarzeau: did you guys play bub-n-bros earlier? |
| 02:25.17 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: it's really hard to not run into every shit w/ sid, right? |
| 02:25.18 | odla | tarzeau: you're in europe aren't you? |
| 02:25.22 | tarzeau | odla: for HOURS! |
| 02:25.23 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: I upgrade daily |
| 02:25.25 | Shadowcat | but not blindly |
| 02:25.27 | tarzeau | odla: yes |
| 02:25.31 | odla | tarzeau: must be late |
| 02:25.33 | odla | he he |
| 02:25.38 | tarzeau | odla: 3 am |
| 02:25.43 | cyanid3 | how do i add an entry to the prefrences file that restricts usage of repositories that have the same name |
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| 02:25.53 | odla | tarzeau: i'm usually in western canada |
| 02:25.54 | Shadowcat | there's something called "READ THE GOD DAMNED BUG REPORTS" |
| 02:26.06 | Shadowcat | especially when a new libc6 pops up |
| 02:26.08 | tarzeau | odla: what's your age? |
| 02:26.12 | odla | tarzeau: i'm 25 |
| 02:26.16 | cyanid3 | deb http://puga.vdu.lt/debian sarge main |
| 02:26.16 | Shadowcat | it's always fun sorting that stuff out AFTER it breaks |
| 02:26.23 | liable | thats all well and good if there *are* bug reports already.. |
| 02:26.27 | cyanid3 | deb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
| 02:26.27 | tarzeau | odla: mind if i query you for some information i'd like from canada? |
| 02:26.37 | cyanid3 | they both use the repository name sarge |
| 02:26.39 | Shadowcat | liable: well that's a risk you take when you run sid |
| 02:26.45 | Shadowcat | if it breaks don't whine about it |
| 02:26.46 | odla | tarzeau: sure |
| 02:26.47 | liable | Shadowcat: indeed |
| 02:26.48 | cyanid3 | if i disable sarge it disables both of those |
| 02:26.57 | odla | tarzeau: i'm in the usa now though |
| 02:27.01 | odla | tarzeau: i'm an american |
| 02:27.12 | sanxiyn | Praise whoever wrote bub-n-bros! |
| 02:27.22 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: arigo from #bub-n-bros |
| 02:27.38 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: That Python guru |
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| 02:29.18 | vogue | trying to install debian on my second HD |
| 02:29.23 | vogue | how do i boot it? |
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| 02:29.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: isn't it like .. 2am there ? |
| 02:29.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: 3:25 am |
| 02:29.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: no work tomorrow ? |
| 02:29.44 | Shadowcat | vogue: you did install grub right? |
| 02:29.45 | vogue | if i use the windows boot loader, do I really need to copy the boot sector to a file on the windows drive? |
| 02:29.56 | Shadowcat | first off |
| 02:30.01 | Shadowcat | you can't boot linux off NTLDR |
| 02:30.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: nope |
| 02:30.15 | Shadowcat | secondly |
| 02:30.25 | Shadowcat | let the debian installer do its job and install the boot loader |
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| 02:30.47 | vogue | ok, so it will take care of booting windows off the master, and linux off the slave? |
| 02:30.55 | tarzeau | odla: got the /query ? |
| 02:31.03 | cyanid3 | sorry, i sould have just checked the apt documentation. I would have, but i missed it the first time that i went through. Merry Christmas to all who celebrate it |
| 02:31.12 | odla | tarzeau: yes |
| 02:31.13 | cyanid3 | and thanks for the help |
| 02:31.24 | odla | tarzeau: oh shit |
| 02:31.31 | odla | tarzeau: hold on...i need to sign in my password |
| 02:31.32 | Shadowcat | vogue: have you read the installer documentation? |
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| 02:32.36 | odla | what's the damn command to enter my password |
| 02:32.39 | vogue | Shadowcat heh... not yet |
| 02:32.53 | vogue | Shadowcat i'll go do that, thanks |
| 02:32.55 | tarzeau | odla: /msg nickserv identify FREENODESUCKS |
| 02:32.56 | liable | odla: /msg nickserv identify foo |
| 02:33.11 | sanxiyn | odla: Let xchat do it for you. =3 |
| 02:33.26 | JPX | question: I have the unix-cd bookshelf all chopped up in folders in HTM form. How do i read this? with what program? Will gv do it? or lynx? |
| 02:33.26 | tarzeau | odla: alternatively you can also do /msg lilo I FORGOT MY FREENODE PASSWORD |
| 02:34.01 | sanxiyn | JPX: You read HTML's with web browser? |
| 02:34.22 | tarzeau | JPX: links2 -g and dillo |
| 02:34.30 | tarzeau | JPX: are very fast web browsers without CSS |
| 02:35.13 | JPX | i guess gv is only good for ps and pdf |
| 02:35.18 | tarzeau | JPX: yes |
| 02:35.26 | odla | tarzeau: it's not working hang on...i'll be right back |
| 02:35.33 | tarzeau | odla: /j #acid |
| 02:36.24 | JPX | tarzeau: thanks ;) |
| 02:36.35 | odla | j #acid |
| 02:37.04 | JPX | sanxiyn: yes, when no other prog works |
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| 02:42.32 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:42.33 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:43.32 | sanxiyn | "OSLO, NORWAY– Amidst mounting speculation of an all-out bidding war between Microsoft, Google and the Korean bakery down on 3rd, Opera Software announced today that it inadvertently purchased itself in a $0 million recursive merger set to complete on Monday. |
| 02:43.32 | sanxiyn | " |
| 02:43.34 | sanxiyn | lol |
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| 02:44.10 | EvilSporkMan | anyone have an ogg2m4a script that preserves tags? |
| 02:44.18 | drolyk | hi all |
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| 02:48.54 | EvilSporkMan | mencoder |
| 02:48.57 | EvilSporkMan | whoops |
| 02:49.32 | ryanarn | ok so maybe I'm retarded but I can't get usermod -G group -a user to actually reflect that the user was added to the group when I type "groups" as the user, but if I type "groups user" it shows up.. what gives? |
| 02:50.15 | abrotman | ryanarn: have you logged out/in ? |
| 02:51.04 | _drolyk | want to ask about mc. I`m dialup user and when I connect to internet mc startup time becomes very long. Does any one know how to fix this ? |
| 02:51.18 | ryanarn | abrotman: fully? |
| 02:51.33 | ryanarn | like, all occurences of me being logged in? |
| 02:51.40 | blandon2 | hello guys |
| 02:52.02 | abrotman | ryanarn: are you in X ? |
| 02:52.06 | ryanarn | abrotman: yeah |
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| 02:52.13 | abrotman | ryanarn: then yes .. log out of X |
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| 02:52.25 | ryanarn | alright.. I'll give it a shot. |
| 02:52.27 | ryanarn | bbiab |
| 02:52.44 | liable | _drolyk: mc? |
| 02:52.55 | abrotman | i assumed midnight commander |
| 02:52.59 | dalias | shadowcat sucks :P |
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| 02:53.10 | liable | me too, but doesnt make sense |
| 02:53.25 | dalias | i think i got the problem fixed now. apparrently the packages list for unstable is messed up and missing latest versions of some packages |
| 02:53.31 | dalias | even tho they're on the mirrors |
| 02:53.39 | abrotman | or your mirror is out of date ? |
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| 02:53.53 | look | a quickie: how can i create symlink to a directory.. so that i can like cd symlink and it goes to the directory where symlink points ? |
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| 02:54.20 | abrotman | man ln |
| 02:54.30 | look | read it |
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| 02:54.38 | dalias | abrotman, no, because the mirror includes packages that _depend_ on those newer packages.. |
| 02:54.41 | dalias | :( |
| 02:54.41 | look | but my approach didn't work :) |
| 02:54.44 | _drolyk | liable: yes mc |
| 02:54.57 | dalias | so something is desynced |
| 02:55.14 | dalias | anyway manually finding the missing packages and installing them with dpkg fixed it |
| 02:55.17 | liable | _drolyk: the file browser? this only happens when your dial-up is on? |
| 02:55.36 | _drolyk | liable: yes |
| 02:55.53 | _drolyk | when I disconnect everything fine |
| 02:56.03 | liable | _drolyk: its the only thing that plays up? |
| 02:56.56 | _drolyk | yes |
| 02:57.39 | dalias | so im happy |
| 02:57.48 | liable | _drolyk: that's pretty funky, is this a particularly lowly system? |
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| 02:57.54 | dalias | and shadowcat can go fuck himself :) |
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| 02:58.12 | EvilSporkMan | if a source package provides more than one binary package, is there a way to build just one of the binary packages? (i'm trying to build mencoder) |
| 02:58.20 | sifi | dalias, I remember your name |
| 02:58.30 | odla | how do i edit /etc/sudoers so that user 'chris' has rebooting and shutdown priviledges? |
| 02:58.33 | _drolyk | No. It is P3-1Ghz with 512Mb RAM :) |
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| 02:59.02 | sifi | dalias, has someone *roadtrain* your nick before? |
| 02:59.38 | hammerabi | EvilSporkMan: not generally |
| 02:59.47 | hammerabi | EvilSporkMan: debian/rules may have a special target for it |
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| 03:00.01 | blondie2 | # Appears as ANNA |
| 03:00.33 | blondie | quiet.. |
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| 03:01.32 | rokr | why i cant get kernel-soucres on apt for sid |
| 03:01.39 | liable | _drolyk: no idea. |
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| 03:01.43 | magyar | liable, apperantly "Mozilla/Gecko based browsers" have no plugins for AMD64 |
| 03:01.54 | dalias | sifi, roadtrain? |
| 03:01.59 | azeem | rokr: it's renamed to linux-source and linux-image |
| 03:02.00 | liable | magyar: bugger. |
| 03:02.03 | sifi | dalias, yes |
| 03:02.04 | dalias | sifi, i dunno, maybe you know my nick from mplayer.. |
| 03:02.06 | magyar | uh-huh |
| 03:02.11 | sifi | dalias, no |
| 03:02.16 | rokr | aahh thx azeem |
| 03:02.18 | hammerabi | magyar: that's not true |
| 03:02.35 | sifi | dalias, from #bsd or any other channel |
| 03:02.44 | magyar | hammerabi, "http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Debian_Java_JRE/JDK_installation_%E2%80%94_Browser_plugin" |
| 03:02.46 | _drolyk | liable: i think it`s resolver problem, but firs tlook at my conf files doesn`t give me a reason :( |
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| 03:03.09 | deadline | hi @ all, if somebody could take a look at this apt related issue please: http://pastebin.com/478855 how can i fix that? whats going wrong? |
| 03:03.10 | sifi | dalias, could be other who use the same nickl as well |
| 03:03.16 | CalJohn | magyar: the question is, did you really want flash and webjava in the first place? |
| 03:03.19 | dalias | sifi, not on freenode. |
| 03:03.25 | dalias | sifi, i've had this nick for 5 or 6 years |
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| 03:03.33 | dalias | sifi, and much longer than that on other nets |
| 03:03.39 | sifi | dalias, =) |
| 03:03.44 | magyar | CalJohn, webjava is okay, flush no plugins for sure |
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| 03:03.50 | odla | anyone know how to activate the reboot and shutdown buttons in icewm using alt+ctrl+del |
| 03:04.22 | EvilSporkMan | odla: iirc there's an entry in the config file for the command to use on shutdown. run the stuff through gksudo would be my best guess |
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| 03:04.34 | CalJohn | magyar: I've never seen anything by abuse of webjava. it's even worse than javascript |
| 03:04.51 | dalias | installing bash 3.1....? |
| 03:04.55 | _drolyk | bb all |
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| 03:05.05 | CalJohn | i have noscript simply for convienience ;) |
| 03:05.07 | deadline | nobody? |
| 03:05.09 | odla | EvilSporkMan: oh...gksudo...i'll try that i have it currently as sudo only |
| 03:05.13 | magyar | CalJohn, i cant install either for AMD-64 platform |
| 03:05.13 | EvilSporkMan | compiling mencoder makes me feel like a gentoo user |
| 03:05.24 | CalJohn | magyar: you can't install either |
| 03:05.25 | dalias | odla, imo you have to first make sure linux itself isnt trapping ctrl+alt+del |
| 03:05.26 | EvilSporkMan | odla: yeah, it's really hard to enter the password in a nonexistent terminal ;) |
| 03:05.32 | EvilSporkMan | dalias: it's not. |
| 03:05.34 | liable | EvilSporkMan: get it from nerim then :) |
| 03:05.39 | magyar | CalJohn, thats it |
| 03:05.43 | dalias | odla, then just make a keybinding in icewm, however you do that |
| 03:05.44 | CalJohn | magyar: unless you want to use a 32-bit browser in a chroot |
| 03:05.44 | EvilSporkMan | liable: i want faac support and nerim hasn't got it |
| 03:05.44 | odla | EvilSporkMan: very true |
| 03:06.01 | odla | dalias: ctrl+alt+del brings up a menu in icewm |
| 03:06.11 | odla | dalias: it's isn't trapping it |
| 03:06.12 | blondie2 | (#G010E010M1) MS Comic Chat is great... but maybe I should leave |
| 03:06.16 | magyar | CalJohn, yeap thats the only alternative, nut than again might as well go with ia32 |
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| 03:08.10 | EvilSporkMan | magyar: works fine for me...lots of packages from unstable notwithstanding |
| 03:09.37 | magyar | EvilSporkMan, i have no pobs with it, but some stuff is still missing, like java plugins, flush 32bit codec, openoffice |
| 03:09.54 | magyar | one needs to chroot |
| 03:10.02 | magyar | but does it woth the hassle |
| 03:10.04 | magyar | ??? |
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| 03:10.30 | odla | nope that still didn't work |
| 03:10.45 | sifi | magyar, you have to install the jafa package yourself |
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| 03:11.24 | odla | excerpt from preferences...http://pastebin.com/478861 |
| 03:11.30 | magyar | sifi, no jafa |
| 03:11.30 | EvilSporkMan | chroot isn't that bad to set up |
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| 03:11.40 | deadline | http://pastebin.com/478855 |
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| 03:12.15 | magyar | EvilSporkMan, i have no choice, but than again whats the purpose in running 64 bit? |
| 03:12.17 | sifi | mage, jafa? |
| 03:14.03 | EvilSporkMan | magyar: fast media encoding/decoding, fast compiling, ut2004 supposedly takes advantage of it |
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| 03:14.36 | magyar | EvilSporkMan, is there a port for UT2004????? where do show :) |
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| 03:15.25 | shadow98 | what is a good syslogger for debian |
| 03:15.34 | EvilSporkMan | http://icculus.org |
| 03:16.14 | odla | where do i put user chris to allow him to be able to reboot and shutdown the computer? |
| 03:16.18 | liable | deadline: how have you managed to get your sarge system into this mess? |
| 03:16.22 | odla | /sbin/shutdown somewhere? |
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| 03:16.43 | EvilSporkMan | odla: google sudo howto |
| 03:16.45 | magyar | EvilSporkMan, kool, thanks |
| 03:16.53 | UncleD | Anyone know of some sites/companies that have good deals on 1/2u servers? |
| 03:17.04 | UncleD | Or that let you custom build. |
| 03:17.20 | odla | EvilSporkMan: i've already edit /etc/sudoers |
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| 03:17.29 | magyar | UncleD, dell???? |
| 03:17.36 | odla | EvilSporkMan: didn't seem to work...i'm man shutdown now |
| 03:17.53 | UncleD | magyar, they have good deals @ dell? |
| 03:18.05 | g3brown | During the setup of Sarge you are ask about mail settings. Is there a way to reconfigure that? |
| 03:18.16 | EvilSporkMan | g3brown: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 03:18.20 | magyar | UncleD, dell.com, if you into intell |
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| 03:20.02 | ke6isf | whee |
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| 03:22.25 | sussudio | has freenet been renaned to TOR or are they two different things? |
| 03:22.36 | EvilSporkMan | tor's different |
| 03:22.43 | sussudio | oh goodie. |
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| 03:22.55 | sussudio | is there any way to detect if someone is using freenet? |
| 03:23.03 | EvilSporkMan | packet headers? |
| 03:23.11 | sussudio | as an IRC operator |
| 03:23.14 | EvilSporkMan | check freenet site |
| 03:23.27 | EvilSporkMan | portscan them? |
| 03:23.32 | sussudio | got this little bastard that keeps using different means of evading klines |
| 03:23.51 | EvilSporkMan | don't think freenet over IRC works |
| 03:24.00 | EvilSporkMan | er, IRC over freenet...freenet is for file transfer |
| 03:24.07 | b0xy | is there a way to show record uptime? |
| 03:24.08 | sussudio | hmm |
| 03:24.10 | sussudio | ok |
| 03:24.14 | b0xy | as opposed to current uptime |
| 03:24.20 | kspath | ICBM will solve tghe bastard problem but it will impact so many square miles for thousands of years |
| 03:24.21 | tictac | b0xy: ud |
| 03:24.30 | tictac | b0xy: apt-cache search ud |
| 03:24.53 | tictac | err |
| 03:24.58 | tictac | uptimed - Utility to track your highest uptimes |
| 03:25.09 | tictac | err |
| 03:25.15 | tictac | ud - Uptime Daemon |
| 03:25.40 | sanxiyn | Wow, pagesaver is cool. |
| 03:26.13 | g3brown | I'm using Sarge as a fileserver for a lan. I don't use any email functions but it would be nice for problems/errors to be emailed to say a gmail address (ie raid drive dies). Is configuring Exim what I should be looking at? |
| 03:26.27 | blondie | uhuh |
| 03:26.33 | tictac | heh |
| 03:26.44 | hammerabi | g3brown: yes |
| 03:27.12 | g3brown | hammerabi: one of the smarthost choices? |
| 03:27.18 | sanxiyn | g3brown: Yes. |
| 03:27.44 | sanxiyn | (Also, drop "real-" prefix in /etc/aliases.) |
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| 03:28.00 | Paivakil | g3brown: log2mail? |
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| 03:28.49 | rhaegal | Can anyone help with "can't open device /dev/dsp (Permission denied)"? |
| 03:28.54 | rhaegal | Hi jords. |
| 03:29.13 | sanxiyn | rhaegal: Add yourself to audio group. |
| 03:29.18 | jords | *psst* rhegal is on slackware *psst* |
| 03:29.24 | g3brown | sanxiyn: I should actually be looking for "real-" in /etc/aliases? |
| 03:29.28 | rhaegal | Lol |
| 03:29.30 | rhaegal | I am |
| 03:29.41 | abrotman | why are we answering slack questions ? .. is #slackware full of idiots ? |
| 03:29.43 | rhaegal | groups rhaegal.. users audio cdrom |
| 03:29.53 | rhaegal | Actually it's ##slackware and yes. |
| 03:30.00 | rhaegal | But so is #gentoo |
| 03:30.03 | hammerabi | it's a distro-specific question |
| 03:30.05 | abrotman | rhaegal: did you try #linux ? |
| 03:30.18 | rhaegal | I didn't think of that |
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| 03:30.29 | rhaegal | I figured any distro user would know something about linux though |
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| 03:30.37 | abrotman | rhaegal: another stop might be #alsa |
| 03:30.38 | jords | rhaegal: don't worry, I'm already there |
| 03:30.43 | g3brown | Paivakil: would log2mail use exim or is it standalone? |
| 03:30.55 | abrotman | rhaegal: ok .. fine .. apt-get install alsa .. oh .. it doesn't work . too bad |
| 03:31.00 | g3brown | Paivakil: I'm at a loss where to start with exim. |
| 03:31.05 | tictac | lol |
| 03:31.08 | hammerabi | g3brown: basically every application thata sends mail on unix uses the local mta |
| 03:31.16 | rhaegal | I have alsa compiled as a module and it's loaded |
| 03:31.23 | g3brown | hammerabi: so I have to have that working. |
| 03:31.25 | Bogaurd | something odd is going on with my proftpd... over my local lan, i can download at 10MB/s but i can only upload at about 150kb/s... does anyone know what could be causing this behaviour? |
| 03:31.28 | rhaegal | alsaconf and alsamixer work |
| 03:31.39 | abrotman | rhaegal: ask #linux and #alsa and #slackware .. this is not the correct channel for you |
| 03:31.39 | Paivakil | g3brown: accept all the default choices; tell exim that you are sending and receiving mail directly |
| 03:31.42 | hammerabi | rhaegal: #slackware |
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| 03:31.57 | hammerabi | rhaegal: presumably you need to load the oss compatibility modules, tho |
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| 03:32.00 | rhaegal | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.06 | rhaegal | I have those loaded |
| 03:32.20 | abrotman | rhaegal: god damn it .. go to #linux .. go to #alsa .. go to #linux .. |
| 03:32.32 | rhaegal | I'll idle just for kicks |
| 03:32.34 | Paivakil | next, edit /etc/email-addresses |
| 03:32.37 | abrotman | err #slackware :) |
| 03:32.52 | rhaegal | #alsa is empty |
| 03:32.55 | rhaegal | #linux is for noobs |
| 03:33.01 | rhaegal | ##slackware is full of idiots |
| 03:33.04 | sanxiyn | haha |
| 03:33.05 | abrotman | !they don't know |
| 03:33.06 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 03:33.15 | g3brown | Paivakil: I'm stuck on the first screen with exim config. I'm not sure which one is what I want. |
| 03:33.18 | zOap | I have enabled shmconfig in xfree config file, but I still can't access shared memory.. Anyone else had this problem? Someone told me that the xfree dbg package could cause this, but I don't have that installed... |
| 03:33.27 | Paivakil | rhaegal: see if your audio drivers are loaded |
| 03:33.29 | rhaegal | Oh this is the debian channel? I was just joining random channels |
| 03:33.32 | EvilSporkMan | if ##slackware is full of idiots, what does that say about slackware users? |
| 03:33.37 | sanxiyn | g3brown: Smarthost, no local mail. |
| 03:33.39 | hammerabi | g3brown: interne with snarthost |
| 03:33.39 | rhaegal | snd-hda-intel is loaded |
| 03:33.45 | Paivakil | rhaegal: exim or exim4? |
| 03:33.45 | abrotman | evilbulgarian: probably noobs that belong in ##linux :) |
| 03:33.52 | rhaegal | exim? one sec |
| 03:33.56 | jords | EvilSporkMan: That they should use gentoo *cough |
| 03:34.04 | EvilSporkMan | jords: no one should use gentoo |
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| 03:34.13 | hammerabi | zOap: can't access it? as in xdpyinfo says you have no xshm extension? |
| 03:34.39 | g3brown | sanxiyn: The system mail name would be okay as "server@localdomain" ? |
| 03:34.40 | magyar | does aIX has any port for x86 platforms? |
| 03:34.41 | abrotman | i can't tell which is worse .. that Paivakil misfired .. or that rhaegal thinks exim is related to his sound problems |
| 03:34.41 | jords | EvilSporkMan: lol 300 more people in #gentoo than here |
| 03:34.47 | Paivakil | errr... rhaegal that was for g3brown |
| 03:34.56 | abrotman | jords: so that means more people need help? |
| 03:35.15 | sanxiyn | g3brown: Just localdomain. |
| 03:35.24 | g3brown | Paivakil: It default with Sarge. (exim v4) |
| 03:35.35 | jords | abrotman: No, more people have their systems working so they can waste time on irc |
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| 03:35.51 | abrotman | jords: if you think that .. go ahead and believe that |
| 03:35.55 | abrotman | !tell asmCode about root |
| 03:35.56 | Bogaurd | something odd is going on with my proftpd... over my local lan, i can download at 10MB/s but i can only upload at about 150kb/s... does anyone know what could be causing this behaviour? |
| 03:35.59 | liable | !start a distro war |
| 03:35.59 | dpkg | DSL rox0rz! |
| 03:36.03 | zOap | hammerabi, no, but it won't let me configure synaptic driver... |
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| 03:36.11 | Paivakil | g3brown: fixed IP? or dynamic? |
| 03:36.21 | sanxiyn | Paivakil: Does it matter? |
| 03:36.24 | abrotman | yay .. tards are gone |
| 03:36.43 | g3brown | Paivakil: fixed local -- dynamic internet |
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| 03:36.54 | abrotman | asmcode: better |
| 03:38.05 | asmcode | how to dowload something directly from console, when i know url? |
| 03:38.11 | abrotman | asmcode: wget |
| 03:38.13 | odla | asmcode: wget |
| 03:38.17 | asmcode | thnx |
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| 03:41.09 | Neo20 | hi guys how can i install the gpg key for this server ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ |
| 03:41.16 | Neo20 | in order to install kde 3.5 |
| 03:41.26 | g3brown | Paivakil: I went through it and basically put localdomain for everything except for smarthost. I used my ISP smtp server for that. How can I test it now? |
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| 03:41.45 | sanxiyn | Neo20: man apt-key |
| 03:41.46 | abrotman | Neo20: /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 03:41.50 | odla | !tell Neo20 about gpg |
| 03:42.04 | abrotman | !lose odla |
| 03:42.04 | dpkg | odla: You Lose. |
| 03:42.15 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.15 | dpkg | emacs sucks! |
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| 03:42.21 | odla | emacs is a wm? |
| 03:42.28 | seanj | maybe. lol |
| 03:42.30 | Neo20 | i used this command |
| 03:42.42 | Neo20 | apt-key add + ineternet location |
| 03:43.15 | sanxiyn | Neo20: ??? |
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| 03:43.25 | odla | anyone got their reboot and shutdown keys working in icewm when they press alt+ctrl+del |
| 03:43.34 | Neo20 | ah? |
| 03:43.34 | seanj | dang, that bot is handy :) |
| 03:43.51 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:43.51 | dpkg | i guess qotd143 is <antgel> wireless is for cocks |
| 03:43.59 | Bogaurd | something odd is going on with my proftpd... over my local lan, i can download at 10MB/s but i can only upload at about 150kb/s... does anyone know what could be causing this behaviour? |
| 03:44.14 | abrotman | not full duplex NIC ? |
| 03:44.27 | abrotman | nslookup issue ? |
| 03:44.44 | lunaphyte | crappy autonegotiation |
| 03:44.57 | jgould | abrotman: was it you that had S3 Suspend working? |
| 03:45.06 | abrotman | jgould: i think it was mhall |
| 03:45.12 | abrotman | i think suspend is a waste :) |
| 03:45.19 | abrotman | if you're not using it .. turn it off |
| 03:45.26 | abrotman | or rather . shut down |
| 03:45.29 | Paivakil | lastlog g3brown |
| 03:45.40 | Paivakil | err... was away from keyboard ... |
| 03:45.52 | abrotman | Paivakil: you need work on your keyboard skills :) |
| 03:46.19 | jgould | abrotman: I have a laptop and was trying to make it so I don't have to shut down and stop working when I relocate. |
| 03:46.32 | abrotman | jgould: i have a laptop too :) |
| 03:46.43 | g3brown | Paivakil: need me to repeat anything? |
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| 03:47.26 | liable | jgould: tuxmobil would be your best bet for suspend issues, or /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 03:47.36 | jgould | abrotman: I'd love to get S4 or S4Bios suspend working.. |
| 03:47.40 | jgould | liable: Tnx |
| 03:47.41 | abrotman | !suspend |
| 03:47.42 | dpkg | it has been said that suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
| 03:47.52 | ludovicus | halo, need some help configuring my wireless card... |
| 03:47.52 | abrotman | !works for me beautifully!! |
| 03:48.21 | ludovicus | i'm not able to ifup it and for some reason the original lines i had in /etc/network/interfaces is not working |
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| 03:48.56 | ludovicus | would someone please tell me what is the appropriate /dev for pcmcia cards and the alias to use |
| 03:49.28 | abrotman | ludovicus: depends on the device |
| 03:50.04 | ludovicus | ok, it's a pcmcia linkysys v.3 card, that is supported by debian |
| 03:50.13 | ludovicus | linksys |
| 03:50.15 | ludovicus | excuse me |
| 03:50.29 | ludovicus | and i do believe it's a prism2... |
| 03:51.05 | liable | check dmesg after its been plugged in. |
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| 03:52.51 | ludovicus | that's dmesg | more right |
| 03:53.30 | ludovicus | the gnome applet for networking tells me it's disabled for some reason.. |
| 03:53.51 | liable | whatever, you just want to see if its properly detected to start with. then check lsmod for modules loaded. |
| 03:54.05 | liable | does it need firmware? |
| 03:54.24 | abrotman | might have to run the networking script again |
| 03:54.29 | ludovicus | it should be golden, i've used this card for a long time... |
| 03:54.34 | ludovicus | networking script? |
| 03:55.47 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:55.57 | ludovicus | i did this |
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| 03:57.06 | ludovicus | is there another way of verifying that the /dev alias is correct? |
| 03:57.17 | liable | ludovicus: are the modules loaded, does it show up in ifconfig -a, and also iwconfig. |
| 03:58.24 | ludovicus | you know it doesn't show up |
| 03:58.43 | ludovicus | i'm getting an error message in var/run/dhcclient.eth1.pid with pid 0 |
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| 04:01.24 | ludovicus | ok... any suggestions? |
| 04:01.48 | Bogaurd | something odd is going on with my proftpd... over my local lan, i can download at 10MB/s but i can only upload at about 150kb/s... does anyone know what could be causing this behaviour? |
| 04:02.37 | abrotman | Bogaurd: read your backscroll .. you were suggested a few things |
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| 04:03.21 | Bogaurd | abrotman: ah, sorry... didnt see them :) |
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| 04:03.50 | abrotman | so scroll up |
| 04:04.12 | Bogaurd | abrotman: i dont understand though... it was working 100% only 2 days ago.... and not a single thing has changed since then? i uploaded over 150gb to the box via ftp in a few hours, and now its going so slow! |
| 04:04.49 | abrotman | Bogaurd: did you flip the switch over and shake out the loose bits ? |
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| 04:05.15 | Bogaurd | abrotman: uhh.... other means of data transfer work fine... it's just ftp thats going so slow. |
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| 04:05.50 | abrotman | Bogaurd: check the nslookup stuff |
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| 04:06.07 | Bogaurd | abrotman: how do you mean? i'm just connecting to the IP =\ |
| 04:06.22 | abrotman | but the host may still try to reverse look up the IP |
| 04:06.41 | Bogaurd | abrotman: yeah... but it has it in its /etc/hosts file. |
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| 04:07.39 | adrakoa | bye |
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| 04:08.07 | glick | excuse me does anyone here have an ipod that their using with linux? |
| 04:08.11 | shadow00 | just thought i would throught this out.....see if anyone knows...how i could make my linksys router running openwrt write to log file in /var/log with filename router.log |
| 04:08.16 | Bogaurd | abrotman: nothing, in terms of setup has changed, just the data rates. |
| 04:08.25 | shadow00 | instead of going straight to syslog |
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| 04:08.45 | Tortel | is it normal to have 33% memory useage at most? |
| 04:08.51 | abrotman | Bogaurd: did you check all the logs ? .. make the FTP client and server verbose ? |
| 04:09.11 | Tortel | well, its not normal, but is it good? |
| 04:09.12 | Tortel | :S |
| 04:09.14 | Bogaurd | abrotman: checked both, nothing... |
| 04:09.17 | glick | how do i sync my ipod? |
| 04:09.21 | abrotman | and you made them verbose ? |
| 04:09.47 | Bogaurd | abrotman: you mean just increasing the log level? |
| 04:09.59 | Tortel | glick: not sure if you can |
| 04:10.06 | xsdg | hmmm... any synaesthesia users around? How do I get it to do visualizations for CDs? |
| 04:10.16 | abrotman | yes |
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| 04:10.21 | Tortel | glick: it wont even notice my creative microphoto |
| 04:10.26 | abrotman | xsdg: drugs |
| 04:10.30 | glick | wtf |
| 04:10.49 | Tortel | sue apple, not me |
| 04:10.58 | Tortel | i have to use my dads comp |
| 04:11.00 | Tortel | :| |
| 04:11.01 | abrotman | Tortel: bed time already ? |
| 04:11.04 | Tortel | nope |
| 04:11.06 | jgould | glick: there is a package of perl scripts taht will let you do things to the files on the iPod, I jsut use Winamp in windows to put my music on hte thing |
| 04:11.13 | ice_1963 | :0) |
| 04:11.41 | glick | yeah but i dont have windows |
| 04:11.44 | abrotman | !ipod |
| 04:11.44 | dpkg | i heard ipod is a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
| 04:12.00 | Tortel | !creative |
| 04:12.00 | dpkg | i guess creative is http://opensource.creative.com |
| 04:12.15 | Tortel | wow |
| 04:12.22 | xsdg | abrotman: bah |
| 04:12.39 | shadow00 | anybody know how i might log my openwrt router to /var/log/router.log instead of going to syslog |
| 04:12.58 | Bogaurd | abrotman: there doesnt seem to be any mention of log levels in the man page =\ |
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| 04:13.06 | abrotman | which man page ? |
| 04:14.15 | Bogaurd | abrotman: proftpd. proftpd.conf, and a proftpd logging howto |
| 04:14.49 | abrotman | Bogaurd: did you try asking in #proftpd ? |
| 04:15.00 | Bogaurd | abrotman: yes, of course... =( |
| 04:15.41 | abrotman | Bogaurd: i think it's a dns issue .. but you say it's not .. i'm stumped(and damn tiredO) |
| 04:16.06 | Bogaurd | abrotman: hmm. if it were a dns issue, woudltnt hat affect the downloads too? |
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| 04:16.42 | abrotman | Bogaurd: maybe ... i don't know enough about ftp .. try other clients/servers |
| 04:16.52 | Bogaurd | =\ |
| 04:17.00 | Bogaurd | alright, thanks for your help abrotman =) |
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| 04:18.44 | jgould | glick: gtkpod does what I've been looking for but never bothered to ask about. Thanks |
| 04:18.55 | jgould | glick: at least for asking |
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| 04:19.26 | glick | jgould, my ipod is acting strange |
| 04:19.33 | Arun333 | hi |
| 04:19.51 | Arun333 | ive got most of the packages necessary for debian |
| 04:20.15 | Arun333 | but would it suffice to install the bare minimum 40 mb installation |
| 04:20.27 | Arun333 | and later can i add on the necessary packages |
| 04:20.54 | jgould | glick: What's it doing |
| 04:20.56 | Arun333 | anyone here |
| 04:21.03 | liable | Arun333: err, you mean the business iso? |
| 04:21.13 | Arun333 | liable:ya |
| 04:21.25 | glick | jgould, when i plug it in an ipod icon pops up |
| 04:21.29 | glick | shows my songs on it |
| 04:21.39 | glick | but on the ipod itself no songs show up |
| 04:21.49 | liable | Arun333: of course you can just install the base system, then get what you want after, the install cd will pull the required packages off the net during the install.. |
| 04:21.51 | glick | i think i screwed it up cause i pulled it out when i wasnt supposed to |
| 04:22.17 | Arun333 | liable: can i install packages without going to the net |
| 04:22.21 | liable | Arun333: if you want to install without net, then you need the netinstall iso. |
| 04:22.36 | Phated | Erh, without? He'd need a lot more than the netinstall. :) |
| 04:22.40 | liable | Arun333: the business iso doesnt have all required packages for the base system. |
| 04:22.54 | Arun333 | liable: i have almost 6000 in separate cds.........but i dont have bootable installation cds |
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| 04:23.12 | Phated | Wow, that really bites. Get the netinstall. |
| 04:23.36 | jgould | glick, I'm not running Gnome so I have no idea |
| 04:23.46 | Arun333 | liable:my with my dialup conn i cant afford to stay online for a long time |
| 04:24.11 | liable | Arun333: buy the cd set and help support debian :) |
| 04:24.34 | Arun333 | liable: if i could do that y would i be seeking help here |
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| 04:25.10 | liable | i dont know, why cant you? |
| 04:25.30 | Arun333 | liable: i cant afford it |
| 04:25.41 | Arun333 | liable: is there a way around it |
| 04:25.44 | jgould | glick ooops |
| 04:26.06 | Arun333 | liable:can i put the business install and add the packages ive got |
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| 04:26.33 | liable | Arun333: well, your cd's will have to be in the right format and have package lists etc for apt to work with them. |
| 04:27.05 | Paivakil | Arun333: where are based? |
| 04:27.09 | liable | Arun333: i am sure there is a factoid explaining it, but i cant think of it. |
| 04:27.15 | Arun333 | liable:it does have all the 6000 odd packages |
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| 04:27.26 | Arun333 | liable:but not the package list |
| 04:27.42 | Paivakil | Arun333: get your insallation CDs from your local FSUG/LUG; |
| 04:27.55 | Arun333 | paivakil: |
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| 04:28.16 | Arun333 | Paivakil: is there a solution for this problem as such |
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| 04:28.32 | loopdee | Merry Christmas ! |
| 04:29.04 | Paivakil | move the files from your 6K repository, to the local hdd, then build a packages.gz in that directory |
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| 04:29.34 | Paivakil | but you need apt-move for that; I do not think busines iso has apt-move |
| 04:30.21 | Arun333 | is there any software to create packages.gz automaticalluy |
| 04:30.31 | Paivakil | apt-move |
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| 04:30.43 | MrAnderson | Ahoy all. |
| 04:30.51 | Arun333 | is there an apt-move in ubuntu |
| 04:30.55 | jbroome | yarrr |
| 04:31.21 | Arun333 | Paivakil: can i use apt-move in ubuntu |
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| 04:31.58 | jbroome | Arun333: it is available in the repos, yes |
| 04:31.59 | Arun333 | Paivakil:wats the syntax |
| 04:32.11 | Paivakil | Arun333: I think you can use dpkg-sacnpackages also |
| 04:32.20 | Paivakil | dpkg-scanpackages |
| 04:32.53 | Arun333 | if i have the packages in a folder |
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| 04:33.13 | Arun333 | i can use this command to create packages.gz |
| 04:33.17 | loopdee | does j2re1.4.0 work in mozilla anymore? |
| 04:33.49 | Arun333 | Paivakil:........ |
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| 04:35.47 | Paivakil | Arun333: please read the man pages |
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| 04:36.29 | MrAnderson | GAAAAAAHN! |
| 04:36.37 | Paivakil | Arun333: read the man for dpkg-scanpackages, apt-move, and also you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:36.52 | Arun333 | Paivakil...bye |
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| 04:37.19 | gahan | im looking for a tool which would allow me to connect (talk?) to socket "file" |
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| 04:37.56 | hammerabi | what is a 'socket "file"'? |
| 04:38.05 | MrAnderson | Can you clarify a bit? |
| 04:38.21 | gahan | ill try |
| 04:38.23 | gahan | # file /tmp/socket |
| 04:38.23 | gahan | /tmp/socket: socket |
| 04:38.30 | gahan | i wish to communicate with that :) |
| 04:38.40 | gahan | is there a tool in debian repository? |
| 04:38.42 | MrAnderson | As in, dump output from a program into that? |
| 04:38.51 | MrAnderson | Or read from that into a program? |
| 04:39.01 | gahan | rather dump |
| 04:39.15 | gahan | hm nope |
| 04:39.18 | MrAnderson | Why not just "program > /tmp/docket" |
| 04:39.19 | gahan | read from that |
| 04:39.40 | gahan | I'd like to read from that |
| 04:39.50 | MrAnderson | Okay. program < /tmp/socket |
| 04:39.55 | gahan | >:) |
| 04:40.01 | MrAnderson | I'm missing something I bet. |
| 04:40.22 | gahan | I'm afraid I don't really know what i want, hmmm |
| 04:40.39 | MrAnderson | Then what do you want to accomplish? |
| 04:41.25 | gahan | i've created this socket with a program which is writing info into that, |
| 04:41.37 | gahan | and i'd like to see how does this info look like, with some handy tool |
| 04:42.29 | repp | cat < /tmp/socket |
| 04:42.35 | MrAnderson | Hmm... cat /tmp/socket |
| 04:42.43 | MrAnderson | Edit: repp |
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| 04:43.37 | gahan | No such device or address, something messed up with that socket? :) |
| 04:43.42 | MrAnderson | ... |
| 04:43.55 | repp | how are you creating this socket? mkfifo? |
| 04:44.01 | MrAnderson | You're certain it's being piped there? |
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| 04:45.49 | MrAnderson | Has anyone here used that new SanDisk encrypted thumb drive? |
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| 04:46.14 | MrAnderson | Looks nifty. |
| 04:46.39 | gahan | i switched from socket to listening tcp |
| 04:46.43 | gahan | much more easier now |
| 04:46.49 | gahan | :)) |
| 04:46.49 | MrAnderson | Eeek. |
| 04:47.07 | hammerabi | I'd trust linux's crypto abilities further than sandisk's |
| 04:47.14 | repp | yeah |
| 04:47.24 | repp | whenever I need encrypted devices I use cryptoloop |
| 04:47.29 | MrAnderson | I'm just interested in the fingerprint biometric reader. |
| 04:47.38 | hammerabi | I'd not trust that at all |
| 04:48.28 | MrAnderson | Just looks like such a cool gizmo. :] |
| 04:48.41 | liable | apparently they arent to bad (well, the thinkpad ones anyway..) |
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| 04:49.03 | repp | better hope that your finger is more valuable than your data to the attacker |
| 04:49.53 | MrAnderson | Suppose it adds a new twist to "giving someone the finger." |
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| 04:50.56 | repp | yeah the sensor on my thinkpad works |
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| 04:51.11 | repp | but I'm concerned that an attacker might think my thinkpad is more valuable than my finger |
| 04:51.38 | repp | honestly though, all they have to do is pop out the disk - that's why I run an encrypted /home |
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| 04:53.52 | liable | i guess i would care if i had anything of interest on my box :) |
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| 04:54.37 | repp | then you clearly have nothing of value |
| 04:55.17 | liable | i think that was my point, yes.. |
| 04:55.17 | repp | but when you get employed, you might find that your employer's data is valuable to a host of parties. |
| 04:55.31 | liable | err, i *am* emploted :) just not in the it field :) |
| 04:55.38 | liable | employed too! |
| 04:56.22 | repp | well you don't have to be employed in IT to have valuable data on your laptop... |
| 04:56.53 | liable | you dont need to be unemployed not to have valuable data, but we are getting OT here :) |
| 04:57.01 | repp | eg customer lists, employee lists, heck even a phone directory would be considered very valuable by some |
| 04:57.40 | MrAnderson | Or you could have pictures that are close to your heart. |
| 04:57.46 | MrAnderson | That may or may not be porn. |
| 04:57.52 | liable | heh |
| 04:58.33 | MrAnderson | I think the real purpose is to make it impractical to get at your data. To make it too much an inconvenience for Joe/Jill Nobody to get it. |
| 04:58.35 | repp | porn is of no interest to any attacker |
| 04:58.48 | repp | porn is the one thing I can browse safely knowing that nobody cares. |
| 04:58.51 | MrAnderson | Might be of interest to a rapist that's attacking you. |
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| 04:59.17 | repp | uh |
| 04:59.43 | MrAnderson | Seems to be the reason they're attacking you. |
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| 04:59.58 | repp | i suspect any rapist doesn't give a damn about what porn you like |
| 05:00.09 | debian_pwnz | ... |
| 05:00.19 | MrAnderson | Bah. Fine. Ruin my fun. |
| 05:00.26 | repp | sorry |
| 05:00.28 | repp | but not really |
| 05:01.08 | MrAnderson | :| |
| 05:02.15 | repp | I agree with your analysis that the purpose is to make an attack impractical |
| 05:02.21 | MrAnderson | Yay. |
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| 05:06.32 | adam234 | does anyone here run unstable for production servers? |
| 05:07.06 | repp | are you looking for validation that this is a good idea? |
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| 05:07.32 | adam234 | i'm looking for validation that it's not a terrible idea |
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| 05:07.58 | repp | I know people that do run unstable on production - but they are *very* careful about upgrades. |
| 05:08.16 | repp | Personally, I run testing with testing security in my apt sources |
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| 05:08.35 | repp | testing security? |
| 05:08.42 | repp | !tell about testing security |
| 05:08.54 | repp | bah, I don't have dpkg zen yet |
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| 05:10.50 | MrAnderson | Righto. I'm off. |
| 05:10.55 | repp | night |
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| 05:12.54 | benjamindees | !testing security |
| 05:12.54 | dpkg | well, testing security is Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 05:13.39 | repp | ah |
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| 05:14.39 | |XO4| | when you do dpkg -l what does the "ii" in front of package name meand and what the "rc" mean? |
| 05:15.59 | Paivakil | |XO4|: installed package |
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| 05:18.34 | Matrix | hi i need config my printer? |
| 05:19.13 | liable | !printing |
| 05:19.13 | dpkg | somebody said printer was a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui |
| 05:19.16 | benjamindees | rc means removed configured I think |
| 05:19.34 | liable | removed, configs remain :) |
| 05:20.31 | Matrix | ok |
| 05:20.35 | Matrix | thank u |
| 05:21.09 | Matrix | but i used the command configprinte |
| 05:21.12 | Matrix | print |
| 05:21.23 | liable | Matrix: you have cups installed? |
| 05:21.54 | Matrix | i dont know |
| 05:22.06 | Matrix | my print is USb |
| 05:22.14 | Paivakil | Matrix: dpkg -l *cups* |grep ii |
| 05:22.14 | liable | Matrix: then yes, go to the url that dpkg said, and have a read :) |
| 05:22.25 | Matrix | ok |
| 05:22.52 | Paivakil | Matrix: if cupsys is listed, you have it installed |
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| 05:24.21 | Matrix | you know about config print |
| 05:24.24 | Matrix | ? |
| 05:25.06 | Matrix | it is comman |
| 05:25.14 | Matrix | command |
| 05:25.19 | ohad | i know this is #debina. i have a quick quetion -- i am trying to setup mrtg. i get nothing when i try to run this -- sudo snmpwalk -v 2c 192.168.16.1 public interfaces.ifTable.ifEntry.if - i have setup an index page it seems like I'm not logging any packets. i've setup snmpd - ideas why i can't collect any packets from the other machines? |
| 05:25.30 | Paivakil | Matrix: if you have cupsys installed, just point your browser to http://localhost:631 |
| 05:25.33 | liable | Matrix: try 127.0.0.1:631 in your browser... |
| 05:25.48 | Paivakil | Matrix: and what is the distro you are running? |
| 05:26.17 | Matrix | debian |
| 05:26.21 | Matrix | nothing |
| 05:26.32 | Matrix | i tried |
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| 05:26.53 | liable | !enter |
| 05:26.53 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 05:27.03 | Matrix | i have HP d145 |
| 05:27.15 | repp | Matrix: we can't read your mind, so you need to be more specific. When you say "nothing", to what are you referring? |
| 05:27.22 | Paivakil | is cupsys running? say `ps -A |grep cups` |
| 05:28.22 | Paivakil | Matrix: and of course, tell us the result of ps -A ... |
| 05:28.23 | Matrix | the connection was refused when attempting to contact localhost:631 |
| 05:28.47 | Paivakil | Matrix: you need to be a member of the lpadmin group |
| 05:28.48 | Matrix | PID TTY TIME CMD |
| 05:28.48 | Matrix | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.48 | Matrix | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.48 | Matrix | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.48 | Matrix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:29.09 | repp | ok |
| 05:29.14 | repp | if you can't follow instructions |
| 05:29.17 | repp | we can't help you. |
| 05:30.10 | repp | oh, he left. |
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| 05:33.18 | |XO4| | if i change a username in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow will that actually "rename" the user name or will it mess things up? |
| 05:33.55 | Paivakil | |XO4|: if you need to ask, it will |
| 05:34.40 | Paivakil | you need to change the names of $HOME, mail spool, etc |
| 05:34.56 | Paivakil | groups might get messed up |
| 05:35.21 | |XO4| | they are "fake" users...they dont really have a home or anything else |
| 05:35.54 | Paivakil | are there group entries? |
| 05:36.56 | |XO4| | nope |
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| 05:42.31 | jjhall | Is anyone familiar with ndiswrapper? I can't get it to load and would like some assistance if someone has time. |
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| 05:42.45 | jgould | jjhall what's it not doing |
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| 05:43.16 | xwl | Hi, is it possible to generate "MIPSEB ECOFF executable" using gcc ? |
| 05:43.43 | jjhall | OK, fresh Sarge install, using Aptitude I installed all ndiswrapper packages. I am following these instructions: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation |
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| 05:44.41 | jjhall | Everyting is going to plan, but when I issue the 'modprobe ndiswrapper' command it tells me 'modprobe: can't find module ndiswrapper' |
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| 05:45.18 | jgould | did you get the correct nidswrapper module for the kernel your running |
| 05:45.32 | jgould | and also try doing an ndiswrapper -M |
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| 05:45.55 | jjhall | It is probably a mistake, but I assume I have the correct module since I used Aptitude to install it. Is that an incorrect assumption? |
| 05:46.57 | jjhall | ndiswrapper -m added the alias. |
| 05:47.17 | jgould | now do the modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 05:47.49 | jjhall | same thing. Can't locate module ndiswrapper |
| 05:48.03 | jgould | what kernel are you running |
| 05:48.31 | jjhall | Let me look |
| 05:48.45 | jjhall | Default install of Sarge, but let me verify. |
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| 05:50.05 | jjhall | Stupid question, how do I tell which kernel I actually have loaded? There are several versions in the /boot directory. |
| 05:50.16 | jgould | I want ot say the package you get using apt is for the 2.6.x series of kernels but let me look at something really quick |
| 05:50.22 | jgould | uname -a |
| 05:50.23 | psychonate | jjhall, 'uname -a' |
| 05:50.33 | tuv | is there a cp-like program that shows progress? mc shows per-file progress only - no overall progress |
| 05:50.48 | jjhall | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 05:51.04 | jgould | Let me check on something |
| 05:52.03 | jgould | jjhall you need the 2.6.8-2-386 or (686) kenrel to run the ndiswrapper package |
| 05:52.29 | jjhall | As if you can't tell, I'm pretty much a linux novice. I've set up a couple of basic file servers using Fedora, but I'm setting up my laptop with Debian so I can learn. |
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| 05:52.53 | glick | excuse me is anyone here use an ipod with their linux desktop? |
| 05:53.04 | jjhall | OK. How do I use the debian package manager system to upgrade the kernel? I have only compiled kernels from source in the past. |
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| 05:53.37 | jjhall | Which in the past has completely hosed the RPM system in Fedora. :-) |
| 05:53.39 | benjamindees | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 05:53.55 | liable | -686 |
| 05:53.57 | romulo | anyone using unstable here and anjuta stopped working? |
| 05:54.47 | jjhall | append -686 to the end or was that comment for someone else? |
| 05:55.30 | jgould | then after that (The reboot from the kernel isntall) do an apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-686 Taht was for you |
| 05:55.31 | tuv | jjhall: "apt-cache search kernel-image" or "linux-image" instead of "kernel-image" to get a list of available kernels, and then "apt-get install <pkg-name>" to install it where <pkg-name> is a kernel package from those listed by the search command |
| 05:55.37 | jgould | jjhall the -686 |
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| 05:56.15 | jgould | tuv we need a certian kernel for this to even work, otherwise he has a new kernel, and the smae problem |
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| 05:56.52 | tuv | jgould: ok |
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| 05:57.10 | tuv | jgould: a little extra info. never hurts |
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| 05:57.28 | jjhall | Thanks for the tips. I'm going to install the new kernel and reboot. Wish me luck! |
| 05:57.42 | jgould | tuv I'll agree with ou there. |
| 05:57.44 | Eno_ | Is there any reason that curlpp isn't packaged at all for Debian? It seems to be free, http://rrette.com/curlpp.html#license |
| 05:57.45 | benjamindees | !pray for jjhall |
| 05:57.55 | jgould | jjhall Ok. We'll be here |
| 05:58.11 | jgould | lol |
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| 05:58.20 | tuv | is there a cp-like program that shows progress? mc shows per-file progress only - no overall progress |
| 05:58.46 | jjhall | worst case I'll reload this laptop. No biggie. It is an older MicronPC Transport GX in case anyone was curious. I need ndiswrapper to support a Microsoft mn-720 wireless card. |
| 05:58.51 | jgould | If only I could figure out why ALSA dosent start with my system, I'll be happy |
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| 05:59.25 | tuv | jgould: how could you tell it's not starting? |
| 06:00.04 | jjhall | Rebooting, back in a few (I hope.) |
| 06:00.07 | tuv | jgould: are snd_xyz kernel modules loaded? what sound chipset r u using? |
| 06:00.32 | jgould | tuv: I didn't have my modem (An odd intel thing sound and modem are in teh same chip) I issued an /etc/init.d/alsa start and it started working |
| 06:01.10 | jgould | I've had sound. before I installed Alsa. I just need it for the modem. the modules are loaded. |
| 06:01.51 | benjamindees | so, what isn't working now? |
| 06:02.01 | tuv | jgould: so is alsa working or not for the sound chip? |
| 06:02.19 | tuv | benjamindees: good question? :) |
| 06:02.27 | benjamindees | you need alsa for the modem? |
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| 06:03.11 | jgould | Alsa needs to start so I can make use of the dialup modem, so Right now it's working, but If I stop alsa I'll slose the modem. Yeah, it's an Intel i810 Chipset. (Dell Laptop) |
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| 06:05.06 | benjamindees | ln -s ../init.d/alsa /etc/rc2.d/S12alsa |
| 06:05.09 | benjamindees | (as root) |
| 06:05.55 | jgould | Files there. Their also all executable. I've looked at the obvious already |
| 06:07.26 | benjamindees | what, um, modem driver are you using and from where? |
| 06:08.35 | jgould | snd_intel8x0m, It's part of the alsa package (Thus I need Alsa) |
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| 06:09.42 | benjamindees | and that isn't getting loaded at start? what about other *snd* modules? are they? |
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| 06:10.27 | tuv | guys.. how do you monitor the progress of copying files in the console? cp doesn't cannot show progress! |
| 06:10.55 | Elly | cp -v -v? |
| 06:10.57 | jgould | The Modules are getting loaded. Right off the bat I have sound, but no modem. Fire up asla and bingo, I have a modem |
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| 06:11.50 | benjamindees | !tell intelikey about root |
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| 06:13.24 | benjamindees | so, yes, you know for sure that the *snd* modules are loaded? (not just "there's sound") |
| 06:13.42 | benjamindees | lsmod|grep snd |
| 06:13.43 | jgould | lsmod lists them |
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| 06:17.01 | jgould | benjamindees http://pastebin.com/478964 |
| 06:17.20 | jgould | that's the output of the lsmod |grep snd |
| 06:17.36 | jgould | and that's waht it looks like on boot |
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| 06:18.06 | benjamindees | so, the modem module is loaded on boot too I see |
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| 06:18.31 | jgould | they both load on boot |
| 06:19.10 | jgould | but unless alsa starts, the modem module is useless |
| 06:19.19 | benjamindees | but, the modem doesn't work until you run /etc/init.d/alsa start ? |
| 06:19.52 | jgould | right. It started up the first reboot after it was installed, and now it doesnt |
| 06:21.18 | debian_pwnz | how do i use packages that aren't in stable but are in testing/unstable? |
| 06:22.25 | benjamindees | !tell debian_pwnz about backports |
| 06:22.26 | deadcat | debian_pwnz: pinning |
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| 06:26.16 | benjamindees | jgould, do you use kde? |
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| 06:27.11 | jgould | benjamindees no, Enlightenment |
| 06:28.43 | benjamindees | jgould, I suggest choosing one or the other, modem or sound, for now, or trying some newer kernels |
| 06:29.44 | donna | hi, i have a problem with my PCMCIA modem. i insert the card and syslog reports all is well. a check of /var/run/stab confirms this with "0 serial serial_cs 0 ttyS0 4 64". however when i go to dial i get a "Can't get terminal parameters: Input/output error" next line "Connect script failed. any ideas? |
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| 06:30.22 | benjamindees | jgould, or it looks like there's an alternate modem driver you can try |
| 06:30.31 | ahj9 | anyone know where i can download bdf fonts? |
| 06:30.37 | jgould | I'll deal with manually starting alsa for now. Right now, both are working. I'm going to try to uninstall and reinstall asla when I get home and am on the lan at home |
| 06:31.03 | liable | jgould: you have to run alsaconf every boot or what? |
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| 06:32.49 | jgould | No, just running /etc/init.d/alsa start causes it to start working. All the files taht should be in place are and all are premissioned correctly |
| 06:34.08 | benjamindees | supposedly the modem module (intel8x0m) has to be installed after the others, which could be the problem |
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| 06:39.35 | liable | jgould: theres symlinks in /etc/rc.d2? |
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| 06:40.24 | liable | Bonz: fix your connection! :P |
| 06:41.13 | jgould | liable yes. I'm going to restart and pay attention to the order in which the modules load |
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| 06:41.37 | liable | jgould: i use the module, and havent really ever had a problem with it. |
| 06:42.10 | jgould | It's not really the module, It's more that alsa doesn't start with teh system |
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| 06:44.02 | liable | jgould: and alsa-base is installed? |
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| 06:45.45 | jgould | liable: yes. apt-cache pkgnames |grep alsa-base lists alsa-base-0.4 and alsa-base |
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| 06:46.12 | glick | excuse me i have a ipod nano and am only running ubuntu what can i do?! |
| 06:46.16 | jjhall | Yay! Back on here via the wireless interface. |
| 06:46.28 | jgould | I'm currentlu running sarge. Cool jjhall @ |
| 06:46.32 | jgould | er ! |
| 06:46.53 | jjhall | LOL |
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| 06:47.20 | benjamindees | glick, you can /join #ubuntu and ask there or try crossover office |
| 06:47.21 | jjhall | Next is to bring it up on my regular AP that uses WPA instead of Wep |
| 06:47.57 | jgould | how did you get WEP to work. I've tried and tried and have never succedded |
| 06:48.09 | jgould | or however it's spelled |
| 06:48.27 | jjhall | I just folowed the instructions on that same link from the ndiswrapper site. |
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| 06:48.58 | jgould | I was trying to use the man page |
| 06:49.00 | jjhall | WPA requires another package and appears to be a little more difficult. I just turned on my old AP that doesn't support WPA to use for now. |
| 06:49.09 | jgould | for iwconfig |
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| 06:49.41 | jjhall | Basically it was iwconfig wlan0 essid <name> |
| 06:49.50 | jjhall | iwconfig wlan0 mode managed |
| 06:50.12 | jjhall | iwconfig wlan0 key open <hex wep key> |
| 06:50.23 | jjhall | I then brought up the interface and it worked. |
| 06:50.42 | jgould | what about the enc option |
| 06:50.56 | jjhall | you may have to use key restricted instead of open depending on your AP (as the docs say anyway.) |
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| 06:51.03 | jjhall | Not sure what you mean. |
| 06:51.45 | kapil | how do i find the user of the current foreground console even if that is an X session? |
| 06:52.38 | jgould | iwconfig has an enc option, as my AP's open (SSID is off) the current setting is enc off I think enc wep (and etc are vaild entries on taht option) but it never seems to work |
| 06:53.15 | liable | just iwconfig key xxxxxxxx usually works.. |
| 06:53.19 | jjhall | Not sure. I run with SSID on as it tends to cause issues in the long run with it off, and gives little to no security enhancement. |
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| 06:53.51 | jjhall | Somebody actively scanning will pick up your AP and SSID anyway. |
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| 06:54.24 | jjhall | That is why you have to use wep (wpa preferably) and take appropriate firwall precautions on your wireless link. |
| 06:54.30 | jgould | I also run MAC filters :) |
| 06:54.37 | glick | hey does itunes work with wine? |
| 06:54.45 | jjhall | That too, but that can be spoofed as well. |
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| 06:55.32 | jgould | I know, if it's some one looking to borrow bandwith, they aren't going to bother with spoofing the mac |
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| 06:56.07 | liable | ssid cloaking is security by obscurity and mac filtering is as useless as wep :) |
| 06:56.08 | jjhall | Heck, my SSID is my street address and cell phone number. If someone wants to use it, all they have to do is ask and I'll give them access. I just don't want Joe 6thGrader connecting to download music anonymously. |
| 06:56.42 | jgould | I know, if it's some one looking to borrow bandwith, they aren't going to bother with spoofing the MACs but if some one wants in, even with encryption on, they'll get in. May take time, but they'll get in |
| 06:56.57 | jjhall | When they request access I explain my rules, and let them go. I watch my firewall logs and if they violate my rules they are gone. |
| 06:57.17 | deadcat | jjhall: hehe |
| 06:57.21 | jjhall | jgould: Exactly. Rule of thumb, make it more difficult than the resource is worth. |
| 06:58.04 | jgould | Heck, My dad will connect to a neighbors completely open AP by default if he drops ours |
| 06:58.44 | jjhall | My systems connect to my neighbor's open AP as well if they have a more stable connection due to interference in some areas of my house. |
| 06:59.38 | jjhall | If all I am doing is surfing and checking e-mail, I don't care whose connection I use. Tunnel through a remote box for a secure connection, and no worry about cleartext passwords on mail or anything like that. |
| 06:59.52 | jgould | My girlfriends windows system will just randomly pick some ones if she drops her own AP, Almost all of her neighbors open AP's are listed in her properties |
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| 07:01.09 | jjhall | Heck, I've even offered to help my neighbors secure their APs, but they don't understand, don't care, or some combination of the above. |
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| 07:01.50 | jgould | a lot of our neighboring APs are 2wire this or linksys (Both brand and SSID) |
| 07:01.54 | benjamindees | gah, why help them? more free internet for you! |
| 07:02.01 | benjamindees | !tell MitchStarr about root |
| 07:02.45 | jjhall | I'm just that kind of person. Obviously if I help them I am going to ask if they mind if I use it once in a while as backup, which they probably wouldn't mind. |
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| 07:05.56 | jjhall | Well I'm going to head to bed. Thank you VERY much for the help. Hopefully someone will be on tomorrow night that can help with some X issues, and I think I will be set. |
| 07:06.03 | ke6isf | !tell MitchStarr -about root |
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| 07:06.32 | jgould | Is there a way we can make dpkg automatically tell people about root? |
| 07:06.36 | jgould | Night jjhall |
| 07:06.38 | jjhall | Happy <insert holiday of choice> and happy new year! |
| 07:06.55 | liable | jgould: it does it already |
| 07:07.07 | jgould | ok |
| 07:07.22 | jjhall | Does it send a nastygram saying don't be a dork and use root for everything? |
| 07:07.43 | ke6isf | jjhall: /msg dpkg root |
| 07:07.46 | liable | jjhall: /msg dpkg root |
| 07:07.52 | liable | !lose me |
| 07:07.52 | jjhall | .msg dpkg root |
| 07:07.52 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 07:07.56 | ke6isf | !beer liable |
| 07:08.05 | liable | :) |
| 07:08.20 | jgould | The other day I simply connected to the server then caught who I was logged in as. I logged out and logged back in... |
| 07:08.29 | jjhall | Yep, typo. LOL |
| 07:08.42 | jjhall | And 73 to you ke6isf, kb7qoa here |
| 07:08.48 | jgould | I'm kc8eqa |
| 07:08.57 | ke6isf | jjhall, jgould: 73 back. =^^= |
| 07:09.03 | jjhall | Small world! |
| 07:09.06 | ke6isf | Lotta hams in here. |
| 07:09.23 | benjamindees | so that's nice, I guess linux has pretty good winmodem support now? |
| 07:09.38 | ke6isf | !winmodem |
| 07:09.38 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
| 07:09.50 | ke6isf | benjamindees: Looks like it. |
| 07:10.00 | ke6isf | benjamindees: But, we don't much like them. |
| 07:10.35 | jjhall | They are great as linecards for the Asterisk PBX, well certain models anyway. OK, bed for real this time. Night! |
| 07:11.08 | benjamindees | they're basically free these days... |
| 07:11.30 | ke6isf | benjamindees: Then again, the're worse than the 14.4 RPI modems, IMHO. |
| 07:12.09 | jgould | I used one of those in Windows, It sucked there |
| 07:12.34 | ke6isf | jgould: What, RPI, or winmodem? |
| 07:13.12 | jgould | 14.4 RPI, I currently have a winmodem (Broadcom Polaris) in the laptop, and am connected with it now |
| 07:13.33 | ke6isf | jgould: FBD, but hey, at least there are hacks in place to make it work. |
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| 07:14.13 | jgould | FBD? (Has never seen this one) |
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| 07:14.22 | halifax | hello |
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| 07:14.55 | ke6isf | jgould: Fucked By Design. |
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| 07:15.23 | jgould | agreed. I also have a braodcom wifi nic that works will using ndiswrapper. |
| 07:17.45 | halifax | is it possible to add windows xp in the grub bootmanager in this way: 1. i installed debian etch on a harddisk. 2. i installed windows xp ao a second harddisk. grub is insttalled on the harddisk with debian etch. is there a way or do i have do install grub in the mbr of the windows harddisk? |
| 07:19.16 | liable | halifax: no, take a look in menu.lst theres an example, just change the dev name |
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| 07:23.10 | halifax | ok i will reboot |
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| 07:25.23 | LinuxNIT-laptop | can i compile more that one program at once like in dif terminals? |
| 07:25.35 | Gnea | sure |
| 07:25.36 | LinuxNIT-laptop | or is that dangerous? |
| 07:25.40 | LinuxNIT-laptop | cool |
| 07:25.44 | Gnea | this isn't windows |
| 07:25.44 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thanks |
| 07:25.45 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:25.47 | LinuxNIT-laptop | lol |
| 07:25.51 | Gnea | np ;) |
| 07:25.53 | jgould_afk | LOL |
| 07:26.05 | LinuxNIT-laptop | well ive never done much compiling :) |
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| 07:26.46 | Gnea | you can even have threaded compiles going at the same time for the same program |
| 07:26.56 | Gnea | depending on your cpu/ram |
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| 07:27.11 | LinuxNIT-laptop | threaded compiles? |
| 07:27.15 | Gnea | yeah |
| 07:27.16 | LinuxNIT-laptop | what are those? |
| 07:27.56 | Gnea | when you type 'make' all by itself, it compiles one .c file at a time, then rolls the resulting object .o files into a binary of some sort |
| 07:28.12 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ok |
| 07:28.24 | Gnea | make -j4 would do the same thing, except it would compile 4 .c files at a time |
| 07:28.54 | LinuxNIT-laptop | all the same? |
| 07:28.56 | Gnea | man make <-- tells more |
| 07:29.11 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ok |
| 07:29.13 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thanks |
| 07:29.16 | LinuxNIT-laptop | :) |
| 07:29.17 | Gnea | here's a simple benchmark test: compile your program like this: time make |
| 07:29.24 | Paivakil | Gnea: cool. |
| 07:29.27 | Gnea | note the resulting times |
| 07:29.37 | Gnea | then make clean |
| 07:29.42 | Gnea | and then: time make -j4 |
| 07:30.04 | Paivakil | do we require something in the Makefile to enable that? |
| 07:30.06 | Gnea | assuming it doesn't error out, you should have a lower amount of time |
| 07:30.20 | LinuxNIT-laptop | nice |
| 07:30.23 | Gnea | 'we'? no. |
| 07:30.26 | LinuxNIT-laptop | i coulda used that the other day |
| 07:30.30 | Gnea | again, it's based upon how much ram you have |
| 07:30.34 | LinuxNIT-laptop | i compiled kde 3.5 |
| 07:30.38 | LinuxNIT-laptop | it took for ever |
| 07:30.42 | LinuxNIT-laptop | :) |
| 07:30.50 | Gnea | the more cpu makes it flow faster too, so at some point, it plateaus :) |
| 07:31.02 | Gnea | what kind of system? |
| 07:31.20 | LinuxNIT-laptop | i watched two movies then went to bed and it finised some time that night |
| 07:31.23 | LinuxNIT-laptop | sarge |
| 07:31.31 | LinuxNIT-laptop | amd athlon xp |
| 07:31.35 | Gnea | i mean, cpu/ram? |
| 07:31.40 | LinuxNIT-laptop | 1.5 ghz |
| 07:31.44 | LinuxNIT-laptop | 512 ram |
| 07:31.49 | Gnea | oh |
| 07:31.56 | Gnea | -j4 without question |
| 07:32.11 | LinuxNIT-laptop | i think ram is 512 not positive |
| 07:32.21 | Gnea | if you wanted to get extra fancy, get a few systems on a lan and install distcc on 'em |
| 07:32.35 | benjamindees | don't debian packages use -j(something) by default? |
| 07:32.37 | LinuxNIT-laptop | you seem to know a lot about compiling soi got another quetion for ya :) |
| 07:32.39 | Gnea | that usually assumes a -j20 (not good to do in normal circumstances!) |
| 07:32.41 | ke6isf | Gnea: -j6 or 7 might be workable as well. |
| 07:32.55 | Gnea | ke6isf: that could be counterproductive, but yeah |
| 07:33.15 | ke6isf | Gnea: With that much proc and ram, perhaps, but might be the top. |
| 07:33.17 | LinuxNIT-laptop | can i compile on one pc then do make install on another if the both have the same distro installed |
| 07:33.18 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ? |
| 07:33.34 | LinuxNIT-laptop | i know its probably a crazy idea but i was curious |
| 07:34.07 | Gnea | ke6isf: at half a gig of ram, -j4 seems to be the most efficient, even with C++ it can fluctuate and even increase the time at 6 or 7 - then again, if you've got dual-core... :) |
| 07:34.20 | Paivakil | LinuxNIT-laptop: do `make dist' on one system, and move the resulting tar.gz to the other system, untar it, and then install |
| 07:34.34 | ke6isf | LinuxNIT-laptop: You could in theory, yes, but it's just easier to do the build from scratch on the other machine. |
| 07:34.34 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ah cool |
| 07:34.38 | Gnea | LinuxNIT-laptop: oh sure |
| 07:35.16 | LinuxNIT-laptop | hmm 3 dif anserws |
| 07:35.18 | LinuxNIT-laptop | :) |
| 07:35.23 | Gnea | LinuxNIT-laptop: if you're optimizing, make sure the CPU is the same type - you don't wanna compile something for an AMD proc then run it on a P4 - it'll likely burn out with "Illegal instruction" |
| 07:35.24 | LinuxNIT-laptop | but all similar |
| 07:35.38 | LinuxNIT-laptop | darn |
| 07:35.41 | Gnea | LinuxNIT-laptop: and vice-versa |
| 07:35.49 | jgould | What about with a 2.6 Ghz with 1.25GB Ram? |
| 07:35.51 | LinuxNIT-laptop | what about with what Paivakil suggested? |
| 07:36.05 | ke6isf | LinuxNIT-laptop: True, but note how all the answers all kind of work together. |
| 07:36.05 | Gnea | but - you CAN compile P4 optimized binaries on an AMD and vice versa and transfer them over |
| 07:36.20 | Gnea | yeah that'd work |
| 07:36.25 | LinuxNIT-laptop | cool |
| 07:36.38 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thanks |
| 07:36.44 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ke6isf, yeah i saw that |
| 07:36.46 | Gnea | no problem :) |
| 07:36.47 | LinuxNIT-laptop | :) |
| 07:37.03 | LinuxNIT-laptop | all dif but similar in thier own way :) |
| 07:37.18 | Gnea | in case i missed it - merry christmas/holidays :) |
| 07:37.27 | LinuxNIT-laptop | you too |
| 07:37.38 | Gnea | it's better than last year lol |
| 07:37.38 | jgould | Merry Christmas |
| 07:37.48 | ke6isf | Merry Christmas. |
| 07:37.51 | ke6isf | !beer channel |
| 07:37.58 | Gnea | cheers! |
| 07:38.05 | ke6isf | Wait, that's one beer for the entire friggin channel. |
| 07:38.10 | ke6isf | !beer gnea |
| 07:38.13 | jgould | LOL |
| 07:38.14 | Phated | Yeah, no duh. |
| 07:38.17 | ke6isf | !beer phated |
| 07:38.20 | Phated | !beer everyone |
| 07:38.23 | LinuxNIT-laptop | lol |
| 07:38.25 | Phated | There ya go. |
| 07:38.30 | LinuxNIT-laptop | nice |
| 07:38.34 | ke6isf | Phated: Dude, saves me time. =^^= |
| 07:38.50 | Phated | :) |
| 07:38.53 | ke6isf | Phated: Though, it's noted that both attempts at hitting everyone pulled out the Jever =^_^= |
| 07:38.58 | Phated | Heh. |
| 07:38.59 | benjamindees | how does one teach dpkg about Shiner Boch? |
| 07:39.00 | Phated | !beer everyone |
| 07:39.04 | Phated | A piraat! |
| 07:39.11 | Phated | benjamindees: What, in beer? |
| 07:39.21 | Phated | !literal cmd: beer (.*?) |
| 07:39.21 | dpkg | "#debian cmd: beer (.*?)" is "($1): <action> (pulls out (a fine|an excellent|an exquisite|a tasty|a nicely refined)|pours a (pint|litre|quart) of|deftly decants a fine) (Guinness|Spaten Optimator|Spaten Pils|Jever|Yuengling Lager|Dogfishhead 90min IPA|Piraat|Franziskaner Hefeweizen) for $1" |
| 07:39.22 | ke6isf | You know, I'd like to know that as well. |
| 07:39.56 | jgould | I'm downloading the kernel soruce for 2.6.14 over a dialup connection? |
| 07:39.59 | Phated | dpkg: cmd: beer (.*?) =~ s/Hefeweizen/Hefeweizen|Shiner Boch/ |
| 07:39.59 | dpkg | Phated: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 07:40.05 | Phated | AAAAAAAUGH SOMEONE LOCKED BEER! |
| 07:40.07 | Gnea | except this one doesn't get tipped over - it just has a lot of spouts on it every several feet |
| 07:40.08 | Phated | Oh well. |
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| 07:40.31 | Gnea | !beer LinuxNIT-laptop |
| 07:40.32 | jgould | Why did I put a question mark at the end of that |
| 07:40.43 | programm | Hi |
| 07:40.52 | ke6isf | Greetings, programm! |
| 07:40.58 | Gnea | !beer programm |
| 07:41.09 | programm | ^^ |
| 07:41.15 | programm | ke6isf, you too |
| 07:41.18 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:41.26 | LinuxNIT-laptop | why thank you |
| 07:41.58 | programm | How can i unzip a .zip file? |
| 07:42.05 | Gnea | apt-get install unzip |
| 07:42.05 | ke6isf | programm: With unzip, of course. |
| 07:42.16 | programm | Ah... ok =) |
| 07:42.19 | programm | Thx |
| 07:42.47 | jgould | Any one ever gotten Suspend2 to work? |
| 07:43.09 | Gnea | what's that? |
| 07:43.18 | ke6isf | !suspend2 |
| 07:43.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, suspend2 is known as Software Suspend 2 and lets you suspend your Notebook to diskrum within half a minute. (and come back) it is found at suspend2.net) Thanks Nigel for making it such a good working peace :-) |
| 07:43.38 | jgould | thank you ke6isf |
| 07:43.42 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:43.51 | ke6isf | jgould: Hey, that was a shot in the dark. =^_^= |
| 07:43.57 | Gnea | neato, i'll need to look into that once i get my laptop back into working operation |
| 07:44.02 | jgould | LOL |
| 07:44.38 | jgould | You'll need to compile the kernel wiht the patch in place. check the website for the patch |
| 07:44.52 | benjamindees | pop quiz: I have a driver module with a binary-only component that was built with gcc 3.2. Must I 1) compile the module with gcc-3.2, 2) compile the entire kernel with gcc-3.2, or 3) recompile the entire system with icc? |
| 07:45.29 | _SerhaT_ | someone in here said something about another suspend system.. I am sure it was hosted on sf.net .. *checks* |
| 07:45.30 | jgould | 1 |
| 07:45.30 | Gnea | benjamindees: is it for a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:45.39 | benjamindees | Gnea, let's say 2.6 |
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| 07:46.05 | Gnea | benjamindees: is this kernel compiled with the ability to force-[un]load modules? |
| 07:46.35 | benjamindees | Gnea, yep it's debian standard |
| 07:47.01 | benjamindees | er, at least I think debian kernels have that... |
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| 07:47.17 | Gnea | sure about that? :) |
| 07:47.27 | Luftzig | does tar has a size limit? |
| 07:47.53 | Gnea | 2TB? |
| 07:48.18 | _SerhaT_ | hmm found the other system.. |
| 07:48.18 | jgould | total amount of free disk space |
| 07:48.23 | _SerhaT_ | http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp |
| 07:48.25 | jgould | ? |
| 07:48.27 | ke6isf | Luftzig: sizeof(disk(freespace))? |
| 07:48.45 | LinuxNIT-laptop | is it safe to do a apt-get upgrade from a old debian system running 2.4 kernel to get the current sarge with 2.6kernel? |
| 07:49.01 | ke6isf | LinuxNIT-laptop: What is the current Debian version? |
| 07:49.04 | Gnea | LinuxNIT-laptop: pre-sarge? |
| 07:49.11 | LinuxNIT-laptop | uh |
| 07:49.13 | Sneaky_Bastard | nothing in Life is "safe" |
| 07:49.13 | jgould | 3.1 |
| 07:49.15 | LinuxNIT-laptop | :) |
| 07:49.19 | LinuxNIT-laptop | not sure |
| 07:49.19 | jgould | is sarge |
| 07:49.23 | LinuxNIT-laptop | its my bros server |
| 07:49.24 | Sneaky_Bastard | nobody gets out of it alive, amigo. |
| 07:49.26 | jgould | LOL |
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| 07:49.33 | LinuxNIT-laptop | let me see if i can get in to it |
| 07:49.36 | ke6isf | LinuxNIT-laptop: 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
| 07:49.47 | liable | !woody->sarge |
| 07:49.51 | jgould | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:49.53 | liable | meh |
| 07:50.24 | Luftzig | ahhmmm... so why the fuck a tar -cpzf //salon/backup(31Gb of freespace netdrive) /mnt/data (a 14Gb mount point) and up a 2Gb file? |
| 07:50.31 | Gnea | Sneaky_Bastard: granted, but the amount of time can be extended if done right |
| 07:50.51 | LinuxNIT-laptop | oh wow |
| 07:50.59 | LinuxNIT-laptop | it said testing/unstable |
| 07:51.01 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thats wierd |
| 07:51.08 | LinuxNIT-laptop | i didnt think he had that |
| 07:51.10 | LinuxNIT-laptop | yikes |
| 07:51.19 | Gnea | Luftzig: samba? |
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| 07:51.32 | Luftzig | Gnea smaba limitation? |
| 07:51.56 | Gnea | Luftzig: probably - try changing the destination to non-netdrive |
| 07:53.05 | Luftzig | Gnea, thanks, I'll do that. |
| 07:53.39 | LinuxNIT-laptop | so is it possible to go form testing/unstable 2.4 to sarge 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:53.55 | liable | LinuxNIT-laptop: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 07:54.04 | Luftzig | Gnea, questions is, will the limitation prevent me from coping my really big backup to the samba-shared drive |
| 07:54.24 | Gnea | LinuxNIT-laptop: that would be downgrading - the only way to do that is to reinstall - stick with what the level offers |
| 07:54.58 | Gnea | the sarge 2.6 kernel is older anyway |
| 07:55.10 | Gnea | more bugs, less functionality |
| 07:55.24 | LinuxNIT-laptop | older than the testing 2.4? |
| 07:56.00 | Gnea | 2.6 is newer than 2.4 |
| 07:56.03 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thing is he tried to apt-get a program and it wanted to remove the kernel |
| 07:56.18 | benjamindees | Gnea, looks like sarge 2.6 kernels can force unload modules |
| 07:56.20 | LinuxNIT-laptop | so i was wantin to upgrade with out breakin it |
| 07:56.36 | Gnea | benjamindees: cool, that should work then |
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| 07:57.04 | benjamindees | Gnea, no gcc-3.2 necessary? |
| 07:57.18 | Gnea | LinuxNIT-laptop: going to 2.6 is, overall, a good move - if running udev then it requires at least 2.6.12 |
| 07:57.21 | LinuxNIT-laptop | and hed rather not reinstall since it has hours of config time in it |
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| 07:58.29 | liable | Gnea: eh? innit >= 2.6.8 |
| 07:58.33 | liable | ? |
| 07:58.47 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ok |
| 07:58.49 | jgould | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:59.00 | Gnea | benjamindees: insmod -f module.ko <- that dosn't work? |
| 07:59.00 | jgould | wrong window.... |
| 07:59.32 | benjamindees | Gnea, haven't built it yet... |
| 07:59.41 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thanks guys |
| 07:59.55 | Gnea | benjamindees: *blink* you said it was binary-only |
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| 08:00.24 | halifax | this is the solution |
| 08:00.27 | halifax | title Windows XP |
| 08:00.27 | halifax | map (hd0) (hd1) |
| 08:00.27 | halifax | map (hd1) (hd0) |
| 08:00.27 | halifax | rootnoverify (hd1,0) |
| 08:00.27 | halifax | makeactive |
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| 08:00.31 | benjamindees | Gnea, it's an intel thing, part of it is binary |
| 08:01.04 | Gnea | benjamindees: a library? |
| 08:01.09 | ke6isf | And the solution made him spontaneously combust. =^^= |
| 08:01.15 | Luftzig | Ok, decided to do it the brutal way and just copy the whole drive to net drive. it worked the last time... |
| 08:01.22 | Gnea | haha |
| 08:01.28 | LinuxNIT-laptop | lol |
| 08:01.42 | benjamindees | "The softmodem binary was compiled with gcc version 3.2" |
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| 08:02.44 | Gnea | benjamindees: maybe only the driver itself requires 3.2 |
| 08:02.51 | jgould | !beer gnea |
| 08:03.03 | Gnea | !beer jgould |
| 08:03.07 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:03.12 | numist | you guys shouldnt be in here tonight :P |
| 08:03.17 | ke6isf | numist: why? |
| 08:03.22 | numist | surely you have families other than us ;) |
| 08:03.26 | jgould | LOL |
| 08:03.30 | Gnea | yeah, they went home |
| 08:03.32 | numist | even my boss, who's jewish, tood the day off |
| 08:03.32 | khodam | A Question. My connection is not too fast. When I am downloading something, it is not easy to browse the net at the same time. Is there anyway that I can give a higher proirity to browser requests over downloads? |
| 08:03.37 | ke6isf | numist: I did my time with my family. I'm home now. =^^= |
| 08:03.42 | jgould | I'm at work |
| 08:04.10 | numist | khodam: if you have a wrt54g you can use open firmware to change the qos |
| 08:04.25 | numist | khodam: for instance, at my house bittorrent has lowest priority, ssh has highest |
| 08:04.33 | Gnea | !qos |
| 08:04.34 | dpkg | i heard qos is Quality of Service, a way of prioritizing IP traffic, or see DiffServ, or see Linux 2.4 Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO at http://lartc.org |
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| 08:04.51 | numist | :) |
| 08:05.00 | khodam | numist, what is wrt54g? |
| 08:05.10 | Sneaky_Bastard | Linksys router |
| 08:05.14 | Sneaky_Bastard | Linux-based |
| 08:05.23 | Sneaky_Bastard | you can use OpenWRT linux distro on it |
| 08:05.25 | numist | khodam: the most common linksys router |
| 08:05.26 | Sneaky_Bastard | there are others |
| 08:05.31 | Sneaky_Bastard | http://www.openwrt.org |
| 08:05.39 | Luftzig | oh fuck! my watch went nuts! not debian related, I hope |
| 08:05.41 | numist | I've heard of one thats gotten better than openwrt, but its name escapes me |
| 08:05.49 | numist | Luftzig: I hope not |
| 08:05.53 | khodam | thanks guys, but mine is SMC :( |
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| 08:05.58 | Diazepam | sneaky_bastard: do you play DoD? |
| 08:06.03 | Sneaky_Bastard | nope |
| 08:06.12 | Sneaky_Bastard | I despise DoD |
| 08:06.16 | numist | khodam: chances are an openwrt wont work then, sadly |
| 08:06.22 | Sneaky_Bastard | but I used to play Action HL |
| 08:06.31 | Sneaky_Bastard | which is where I aquired this nick |
| 08:06.34 | numist | khodam: you can always do what I do at home... got a cheap machine and two spare NIC's? build your own router :) |
| 08:06.39 | Sneaky_Bastard | I've heard of the DoD player using it |
| 08:06.43 | Gnea | bedtime |
| 08:06.46 | Sneaky_Bastard | I predate him bye 2 years |
| 08:06.50 | Sneaky_Bastard | by |
| 08:07.05 | numist | night gnea |
| 08:07.09 | numist | !beer gnea |
| 08:07.47 | khodam | numist, would I be able to use one of my network machines as a proxy (Squid?) to do that? |
| 08:07.57 | Sneaky_Bastard | a self-righteous op in #ubuntu demanded I change my nick |
| 08:08.17 | Sneaky_Bastard | as being non-compliant to some sort of Community Rules |
| 08:08.24 | liable | Sneaky_Bastard: so use debian :) |
| 08:08.33 | ke6isf | Sneaky_Bastard: Well, we can't really help you with that. |
| 08:08.34 | numist | khodam: erm, no? I don't know. |
| 08:08.39 | Sneaky_Bastard | therefore I have removed #ubuntu and #kubuntu from my perform |
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| 08:08.54 | Sneaky_Bastard | and will not be offering my linux knowledge there |
| 08:08.56 | Sneaky_Bastard | too bad |
| 08:09.32 | Sneaky_Bastard | full set of Debian CD's is a bit largish, isn't it ? |
| 08:09.53 | benjamindees | !netinstall |
| 08:09.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
| 08:09.56 | ke6isf | Sneaky_Bastard: Well, yeah, but that's what Netinstall is for. |
| 08:10.42 | Sneaky_Bastard | you all presume I have infinite bandwidth, apparently |
| 08:10.56 | ke6isf | Sneaky_Bastard: Are you on dialup or something? |
| 08:11.17 | Sneaky_Bastard | I don't do network installs if I can possibly avoid |
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| 08:11.25 | Sneaky_Bastard | of *anything* |
| 08:11.27 | liable | Sneaky_Bastard: even on dial up you can easily just use the first iso and then get whatever else you need.. |
| 08:11.33 | Sneaky_Bastard | especially not OS's |
| 08:11.58 | Sneaky_Bastard | mainly because I want to get the firewall set up properly before it goes on the 'Net |
| 08:12.13 | liable | err, debian *isnt* windows.. |
| 08:12.28 | Sneaky_Bastard | anyway, the question I should have asked was "how many CD's ?" ? |
| 08:12.38 | ke6isf | Sneaky_Bastard: Linux distros in general tend to be infinitely less fragile than Windoze. |
| 08:12.49 | Sneaky_Bastard | blah blah blah |
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| 08:12.55 | benjamindees | four is good, one is enough |
| 08:13.00 | ke6isf | Feh, can't help him. |
| 08:13.10 | Sneaky_Bastard | remote vulnerabilities exist in just about everything |
| 08:13.43 | Sneaky_Bastard | I guess I'll find a debian mirror so I can answer my question, since none of you seem to want to |
| 08:13.49 | Sneaky_Bastard | >:( |
| 08:14.18 | liable | i believe thats what the debian.org web site is for.. |
| 08:14.19 | ke6isf | Can't help anyone who's too damn paranoid to do a netinst. Might as well nto even download the ISO set for fear of vulnerabilities. |
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| 08:15.05 | Sneaky_Bastard | 14 ISO's for CD install |
| 08:15.11 | benjamindees | you seem to be going astray of the community standards here of "shut the hell up and listen" :) |
| 08:15.18 | Sneaky_Bastard | why couldn't you just answer my goddamned question ? |
| 08:15.34 | benjamindees | what was your question, "Debian is a bit large?" |
| 08:15.42 | benjamindees | well, yes, I suppose it is |
| 08:15.55 | Sneaky_Bastard | thank you ben |
| 08:16.20 | liable | sure if you want to install all 15000 fucking apps.. |
| 08:16.36 | Sneaky_Bastard | two DvD ISO's |
| 08:16.37 | Sneaky_Bastard | wow |
| 08:16.39 | ke6isf | Sneaky_Bastard: We tend to suggest netinst with the understanding that a basic netinstall first stage off the CD is very rudimentary - in short, there's nothing there to exploit. If you find something, great. |
| 08:16.51 | ke6isf | Sneaky_Bastard: ...you tell us, and somebody fixes it. |
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| 08:17.17 | Phated | Pah, why even turn on a machine? Someone could have exploited it to blow up. |
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| 08:17.36 | ke6isf | Sneaky_Bastard: That said, yes, it is possible to exploit things, but we don't know where the exploits are until they are actually found. If we were that paranoid, the whole Linux thing never would have left the ground. |
| 08:17.38 | Sneaky_Bastard | well, look. I'm not even remotely interested your fucking assinine critiques of my work practices |
| 08:17.58 | Sneaky_Bastard | which have been developed over 30 years experience with computers off and on |
| 08:18.00 | ke6isf | Sneaky_Bastard: The exception of course is if you are in aerospace, then it's understood that there are higher practices. |
| 08:18.15 | Sneaky_Bastard | >:( |
| 08:18.16 | ke6isf | Sneaky_Bastard: Ah, then you are a pedant. |
| 08:18.29 | Sneaky_Bastard | no, I asked something very simple |
| 08:18.42 | Sneaky_Bastard | and instead of answering me, you people tried to be pedants |
| 08:18.46 | ke6isf | *sigh* I'm done. |
| 08:18.49 | ke6isf | *plonk* |
| 08:18.55 | benjamindees | if you're truly paranoid, order the CDs and verify the SHA-1 sums on a trusted machine |
| 08:19.04 | Sneaky_Bastard | (sigh) |
| 08:19.14 | Sneaky_Bastard | whether I am paranoid or not is irrelevant |
| 08:19.23 | Sneaky_Bastard | I have client requirements to fulfill. |
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| 08:19.35 | ke6isf | benjamindees: ...and don't ever connect it to the 'net. =^_^= |
| 08:19.52 | benjamindees | and hope that Chinese hackers haven't found a collision in SHA-1 by now |
| 08:20.08 | Sneaky_Bastard | I don't have any requirement to accept ridicule from a bunch of arrogant twits |
| 08:20.22 | Sneaky_Bastard | so this channel turns out to be useless also |
| 08:20.24 | Sneaky_Bastard | bye |
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| 08:20.27 | Phated | Oh, fuck off then, instead of lecturing us about being arrogant,' |
| 08:20.36 | liable | !customer |
| 08:20.37 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 08:20.40 | liable | :) |
| 08:20.49 | Phated | What a loser. Fries, anyone? |
| 08:20.55 | liable | heh |
| 08:20.55 | ke6isf | Phated: Thanks. =^_^= |
| 08:21.14 | ke6isf | Well, hey, we gave him advice when he asked, and he bitched at us about giving him advice. |
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| 08:21.24 | Phated | Quite. |
| 08:21.43 | ke6isf | That's like picking up a telephone and complaining that it has a dialtone. |
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| 08:21.55 | Phated | Something like that. |
| 08:22.19 | liable | hrm but he 30 yrs experience! :P |
| 08:22.39 | ke6isf | liable: Yes, his experience self-evidently predates the internet. |
| 08:22.40 | Phated | But he's even more of an arrogant twit than I am, and mind, I have 12 years |
| 08:22.44 | Phated | experience in that. |
| 08:23.50 | ke6isf | Phated: Well, it's not the first Sunday we get arrogant twits in the channel. It won't be the last either. |
| 08:24.13 | Phated | ke6isf: Quite true. More fries? |
| 08:24.21 | ke6isf | Phated: Nah, gotta hit the hay in a bit. |
| 08:24.31 | jgould | I'll take some fries |
| 08:24.52 | ke6isf | *passes the ketchup to jgould |
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| 08:25.14 | jgould | ke6isf Thank you |
| 08:25.19 | Phated | Enjoy. |
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| 08:27.17 | jgould | !beer ke6isf |
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| 08:27.27 | ke6isf | Why, thank you, jgould =^^= |
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| 08:27.50 | jgould | that's for the fries |
| 08:27.55 | puff | Does anybody have a recommended bootable linux |
| 08:28.02 | ke6isf | puff: ...um, Debian? |
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| 08:28.10 | puff | bootable linux CD for recovering WinXP boxes with forgotten passwords? |
| 08:28.28 | ke6isf | puff: You mean a live cd? |
| 08:28.44 | benjamindees | nope, lost password is an excuse to switch to Linux |
| 08:28.56 | SerajewelKS | puff: google for "windows xp password recovery disk" |
| 08:29.00 | SerajewelKS | puff: should be first hit |
| 08:29.58 | SerajewelKS | puff: rather, google "offline nt password registry editor" |
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| 08:32.32 | puff | SerajewelKS: Thanks. |
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| 08:32.42 | SerajewelKS | puff: use it responsibly |
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| 08:33.14 | puff | SerajewelKS: Absolutely. |
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| 08:36.24 | Luftzig | I was thinking... If I have some extra 4Gb for debian, and I do not want to repartion, what should mount there, other then /home? |
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| 08:37.51 | jgould | Luftzig /usr |
| 08:38.21 | jgould | Luftzig I use 3 diffrent partitions as a network storage on my server at home |
| 08:38.35 | Luftzig | jgould, it contains users' apps, no? |
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| 08:39.40 | jgould | Luftzig: bad choice now that I think about it at this point. |
| 08:40.04 | basse | hi, any kde users around? |
| 08:40.13 | ke6isf | Luftzig: If you're just looking for a spot to install Debian, just install it all there. |
| 08:40.26 | ke6isf | basse: ...ask in #kde? |
| 08:40.32 | ke6isf | basse: Better yet, just ask your question. |
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| 08:40.39 | basse | ke6isf: maybe, this is kind of debian related too :) |
| 08:40.46 | raz0rsedge | moin |
| 08:40.54 | ke6isf | basse: There you go9 then. =^^= |
| 08:40.55 | Luftzig | jgould, debian already installed, I'm gettin' rid of the windows that's there |
| 08:42.19 | jgould | Luftzig If I were to do that on my laptop, I'd have 30 Gb to wonder what to do with. you could always just format it and then mount it under your home directory |
| 08:42.39 | Luftzig | jgould, it like, 4Gb for windows, approx. 6Gb for debian, and a small swap. /home get's it's own disk, as I have shitloads of things there |
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| 08:43.31 | jgould | I mounted every thing but / (I'm the only 'true |
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| 08:43.44 | jgould | I mounted every thing but / (I'm the only 'true' user of that system) under /opt |
| 08:44.01 | jgould | (that was on the server) |
| 08:44.13 | Luftzig | jgould, my bad, hda1 is win, hda2 IS swap and hda3 is / |
| 08:44.27 | Luftzig | and it's a desktop, no server or anything |
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| 08:44.54 | jgould | Luftzig I don't know. Some one else may have an idea of what to do with it. |
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| 08:45.53 | basse | ke6isf: right, well nobody seems to be awake there.. heh.. maybe I jsut live with this little weirdness.. |
| 08:46.21 | ke6isf | basse: Well, ask away here, and if nobody answers, just ask later. |
| 08:46.45 | benjamindees | what do you suppose 'uname -p' is supposed to show? |
| 08:47.02 | ke6isf | benjamindees: By the looks of it, nothing. |
| 08:47.28 | ke6isf | Meh, time for bed. |
| 08:47.43 | basse | oki. at workplace we are running ubuntu/kubuntu and I assigned win key as modifier to move and resize windows in kde. at home I am running debian, but for some reason win key is not on the list of modifiers.. win key works on hotkeys though.. |
| 08:48.24 | raz0rsedge | any hints? |
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| 08:49.17 | benjamindees | I think the winkey thing was removed from kde |
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| 08:50.00 | jgould | Luftzig I don't know. Some one else may have an idea of what to do with it. |
| 08:50.06 | basse | benjamindees: so you think kubuntu people hacked it back in in their distro? |
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| 08:50.14 | jgould | sry wrong console |
| 08:50.44 | Luftzig | ok, back to the public: hda1 is 4Gb win2000, hda2 is small swap, hda3 is 6Gb linux, and hdb1 is a soon to be /home. Any suggestions on what to do with hda1, exept repartioning? |
| 08:50.58 | benjamindees | basse, it may have just been removed from debian, but it was supposedly unreliable |
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| 08:51.18 | Luftzig | jgould, I got you, I just type veeerrrrry slow. thanks any way |
| 08:51.36 | basse | benjamindees: oh. ok then.. damn. it was handy for otherwise useless win key :) |
| 08:51.51 | agon | hello, how can i apt-get install somthing and set some compilation variables ? like for irssi, --with-proxy --enabl-ssl |
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| 08:55.17 | benjamindees | agon, apt/dpkg works with binary packages only |
| 08:55.45 | benjamindees | agon, there is no way to set compilation variables unless you build the package yourself from source |
| 08:56.04 | basse | agon: you can use dpkg-buildpackage to create new .deb with switches you want .. |
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| 08:56.28 | benjamindees | agon, but more than likely the debian package was built with most compilation options |
| 08:57.28 | agon | actualy its for irssi, in unstable i can install the laster 0.8.10, when i try to compile from tarball i have a strange error |
| 08:58.05 | agon | and nobody could tells me whats was the problem |
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| 08:58.22 | basse | raz0rsedge: have you tried disabling ACPI or APIC? |
| 08:58.22 | agon | and btw, the package irssi from unstable is not build with ssl and proxy |
| 08:59.00 | agon | checking for C compiler default output file name... *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption: 0x08064aa8 *** |
| 08:59.02 | freegie | do 2.6 linux kernels still need the mem= parameter? i just installed a 1GB ram module and "free" command says "Mem: total: 906448" (though i have 1GB + 256MB) |
| 09:01.19 | jgould | I think you need to rebuild the kernel with the himem set higher. I have to same setup and that's what I get (Well the number is 906732) |
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| 09:02.41 | freegie | jgould: ah, could be :) thanks! |
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| 09:04.06 | raz0rsedge | basse: no. i'll have a look at this...thx |
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| 09:09.14 | agon | benjamindees: any ideas with my problem of compilation ? o_x |
| 09:09.40 | faisal_d | guys, can upgrade from sarge to etch without breaking the system?? |
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| 09:09.49 | Bogaurd | My proftpd server is behaving really weirdly... I can download from it to a client at about 10MB/s over my LAN, though uploads to it are going about 300kb/s... and they used to work fine, they just stopped working the other day =\ |
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| 09:10.13 | streuner | faisal_d: there is always a risk, even if you go to toilet ;-) |
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| 09:10.41 | faisal_d | LOL |
| 09:11.29 | benjamindees | agon, you get that message when compiling? |
| 09:11.32 | streuner | hm, most problems are in the enviroments (KDE, GNOME)... |
| 09:11.36 | agon | checking for C compiler default output file name... *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption: 0x08064aa8 *** |
| 09:12.03 | Hugle | Heyya all. I'm trying to clush current NAT mappings (not rules) in iptables. is it possible? |
| 09:12.07 | Eulex | agon, haven |
| 09:12.25 | agon | what ? |
| 09:12.26 | Eulex | agon, haven't resolved it yet? have you triec compiling the small program yourself? |
| 09:12.37 | agon | yes same error |
| 09:12.44 | agon | my c omplio seems to be broken |
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| 09:12.58 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 09:12.59 | basse | yikes |
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| 09:13.06 | agon | i'am actualy trying to get cpp-2.95 cpp-3.3 gcc-3.3-base libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 libstdc++5 from unstable |
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| 09:13.42 | PhoneGuy | Any ideas for getting oracle running on debian? |
| 09:13.48 | mynullvoid | anyone managed to convert vob (dvd) to mp4 (for psp)? I need guide please |
| 09:13.51 | Luftzig | dleting a sylink will delete everuthing which is linked to it, ot just the link? |
| 09:13.59 | Luftzig | *deleting |
| 09:14.02 | streuner | just the link |
| 09:14.17 | Luftzig | thanks |
| 09:14.17 | Paivakil | lunaphyte: man ln |
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| 09:14.43 | streuner | Luftzig: rm -i (interactive) symlink |
| 09:14.51 | xsdg | what's a good network filesystem to use over an untrusted network from a different subnet than the server is in? |
| 09:14.59 | basse | agon: what are you running, testing? |
| 09:15.06 | agon | yes |
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| 09:15.20 | basse | agon: can you compile other programs? |
| 09:15.37 | agon | i dont know, im going to tyry |
| 09:16.29 | basse | agon: and which gcc is the default, 3.3 ? |
| 09:16.48 | agon | gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 20051201 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-5) |
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| 09:18.22 | agon | i dont have any ideas on a tool to get ant to compile it :D |
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| 09:20.12 | agon | basse: same problem with other programms |
| 09:20.18 | basse | uh |
| 09:20.50 | Hugle | is there any way to kill current NAT conenctions ? |
| 09:22.14 | Kvant | Hugle, apt-get install cutter |
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| 09:23.44 | agon | basse: do you have an ideas ? :| |
| 09:23.48 | Cool_MAN | hi there..:) |
| 09:24.10 | basse | agon: i dont know, sounds bad.. has it always been like this, or have you been installing lot of different compilers? |
| 09:24.26 | agon | no |
| 09:24.37 | agon | just apt upgrade |
| 09:26.14 | Eulex | agon, you could try installing gcc-3.4 and using it instead |
| 09:26.35 | agon | ok, possible to apt-get it ? |
| 09:26.44 | agon | i'am removing all cpp i got |
| 09:27.06 | Eulex | agon, yep, just apt-get install gcc-3.4 |
| 09:27.18 | cmdKeen | NoKy-, Bub's Brothers server is empty... |
| 09:27.37 | Eulex | agon, btw, for how long did you let memtest86 run? |
| 09:27.52 | agon | a long time |
| 09:27.55 | Eulex | cmdKeen, :( |
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| 09:28.12 | agon | i just changed the failing ram yesterday |
| 09:28.19 | cmdKeen | How long utnil firefox1.5 moves to Etch ? If it's worth instaling sid package... |
| 09:28.24 | Eulex | agon, hmm, ok |
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| 09:28.33 | Eulex | !why is firefox not in etch |
| 09:28.34 | dpkg | Eulex: I think you lost me on that one |
| 09:28.38 | Eulex | !why is firefox not in testing |
| 09:28.38 | dpkg | firefox is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=firefox |
| 09:29.00 | Eulex | cmdKeen, ^^ |
| 09:29.01 | vivid | how do i upgrade apt, and apt related packages in testing? |
| 09:29.16 | vivid | when i dot apt-get upgrade, it says theyve been held back |
| 09:29.24 | streuner | cmdKeen: s/firefox/mozilla-firefox/ |
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| 09:29.31 | Eulex | vivid, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:29.44 | Eulex | streuner, no. firefox has changed name for 1.5. |
| 09:29.50 | Eulex | *package name |
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| 09:29.55 | vivid | Eulex, thanks |
| 09:30.02 | liable | !info firefox etch |
| 09:30.19 | streuner | <dpkg> firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.dfsg-3 (sid), Packaged size: 7588 kB, Installed size: 21604 kB |
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| 09:30.20 | cmdKeen | streuner, nope, it's just firefox not mozilla-firefox in sid. |
| 09:30.43 | agon | Eulex: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH |
| 09:30.44 | agon | :D |
| 09:30.59 | streuner | !b-e agon |
| 09:30.59 | dpkg | agon: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 09:31.05 | cmdKeen | Eulex, thanks for that "why not in testing" page, quite useful. |
| 09:31.11 | Eulex | AgentJ87, yay |
| 09:31.23 | vivid | anyone know how i can install a different version of the legacy nvidia 7174 driver provided by debians resources? i guess im not supposed to use nvidia.com installer, but i cant find version 7667 debs |
| 09:31.30 | liable | no firefox in etch yet.. |
| 09:31.37 | Eulex | umh, sorry AgentJ87 -- was meant for agon |
| 09:31.45 | Eulex | !nvidia one liner |
| 09:31.46 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 09:31.50 | streuner | liable: firefox 1.5 isn't in etch yet |
| 09:31.51 | cmdKeen | liable, that's why asked when it will be there;) |
| 09:32.11 | liable | okie dokie then :) |
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| 09:32.30 | vivid | Eulex, that installs the legacy nvidia drivers, version 7174 for old nvidia cards |
| 09:32.30 | Eulex | cmdKeen, yw |
| 09:32.45 | Eulex | vivid, hmm |
| 09:32.53 | cmdKeen | !yw |
| 09:32.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, yw is you're welcome |
| 09:32.59 | cmdKeen | oh:] |
| 09:33.17 | vivid | liable, firefox isnt in etch....its mozilla-firefox |
| 09:33.28 | vivid | !+info mozilla-firefox etch |
| 09:33.33 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 7444 kB, Installed size: 21016 kB |
| 09:33.33 | agon | Eulex: with build-essential it installs me cpp4.0 |
| 09:33.46 | liable | vivid: ermm, thats what i believe i just said :) |
| 09:33.48 | Cool_MAN | hi there..:) |
| 09:33.52 | programm | How can i enable my wheels of my mouse? |
| 09:33.59 | programm | In the debconf i have choose Yes |
| 09:34.00 | streuner | !mousewheel |
| 09:34.00 | dpkg | historical info on using a mousewheel with many linux applications can be found at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, go to the mouse section, change Protocol to IMPS/2 and add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' |
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| 09:34.17 | vivid | liable, no, you just said "no firefox in etch yet.." |
| 09:34.20 | programm | streuner, thx |
| 09:34.27 | Eulex | vivid, 8174 is in unstable. get the deb from packages.debian.org/nvidia-glx and dpkg -i it |
| 09:34.45 | liable | vivid: well, take it in context of the few lines above my comment... |
| 09:34.49 | streuner | vivid: package firefox 1.5 isn't in etch |
| 09:35.10 | Eulex | agon, cpp is the c pre-processor. and you can have several versions of both gcc and cpp installed |
| 09:35.11 | liable | vivid: i am well aware of mozilla-firefox.. |
| 09:35.13 | Cool_MAN | hi there..:) Eulex |
| 09:35.30 | Eulex | Cool_MAN, sorry, I don |
| 09:35.31 | vivid | Eulex, unfortunately 8174 is unstable and provides about 1/3 the agp mem of 7667 |
| 09:35.48 | Eulex | Cool_MAN, sorry, I don't remember you |
| 09:36.00 | Eulex | vivid, hmm |
| 09:36.03 | agon | Eulex: so what i need to do, install build-essential instead of gcc3.4 ? |
| 09:36.09 | agon | Eulex: or both of them |
| 09:36.10 | programm | dpkg historical info on using a mousewheel with many linux applications can be found at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, go to the mouse section, change Protocol to IMPS/2 and add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' |
| 09:36.18 | programm | in my config file |
| 09:36.21 | programm | i have that... |
| 09:36.24 | streuner | agon: apt-get install build-essential? |
| 09:36.28 | Eulex | agon, both |
| 09:36.32 | programm | but the wheel do not turn |
| 09:36.35 | agon | done, same problem :D |
| 09:36.42 | liable | programm: grease it! :P |
| 09:36.50 | programm | liable, "grease"? |
| 09:36.51 | streuner | programm: restart X |
| 09:37.00 | programm | streuner, ok, i test |
| 09:37.01 | programm | + |
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| 09:37.14 | liable | ... no-one ever gets my bad humour.. |
| 09:37.31 | agon | Eulex: i have to specify somewhere to compile with gcc 3.4 ? |
| 09:37.42 | Eulex | agon, yes. try compiling with gcc-3.4, or, CC=gcc-3.4 |
| 09:37.52 | Eulex | liable, me did |
| 09:37.59 | liable | the latest is default |
| 09:38.02 | liable | Eulex: :) |
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| 09:38.16 | agon | seems working that time Eulex :D |
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| 09:38.53 | Eulex | agon, hmm. but it still doesn't work with gcc-4.0? |
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| 09:39.35 | kevor | what program is used to receive mail on a default debian installation? |
| 09:39.44 | liable | exim |
| 09:39.46 | agon | seems not Eulex , i'am not an expert, i dont know why |
| 09:40.14 | kevor | thanks |
| 09:40.15 | agon | iv got to aptget remove |
| 09:40.16 | agon | brb |
| 09:40.37 | basse | hey, how can I make debian repositories authenticated. now it seems none is for my system, which is a bit strange. |
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| 09:41.11 | liable | erm.. |
| 09:41.19 | Cool_MAN | mm |
| 09:41.21 | liable | !tell basse about apt-secure |
| 09:41.28 | Cool_MAN | ioiii |
| 09:41.31 | basse | aah the bots. thanks. |
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| 09:44.09 | kevor | liable: what number of basic install of exim is used? (1-5) |
| 09:44.09 | deadline | hi @ all, if somebody could take a look at this apt related issue please: http://pastebin.com/478855 how can i fix that? whats going wrong? |
| 09:44.19 | liable | kevor: 4 |
| 09:44.39 | kevor | but that's not receiving mail from internet |
| 09:44.55 | liable | kevor: err. i meant exim4 is installed.. :) |
| 09:45.05 | kevor | oooh ok, i meant what option :P |
| 09:45.09 | liable | kevor: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 09:45.13 | kevor | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.14 | kevor | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.14 | kevor | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.18 | kevor | i guess this one |
| 09:45.29 | liable | yes |
| 09:45.33 | kevor | ok :) |
| 09:46.34 | liable | deadline: how did you get sarge into that state? |
| 09:46.45 | liable | deadline: paste your sources list |
| 09:47.05 | deadline | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.16 | deadline | liable, ok hold on please |
| 09:47.38 | liable | deadline: give us some background info too please.. |
| 09:48.12 | Eulex | deadline, upgrade from what to what? woody to sarge? |
| 09:48.36 | deadline | Eulex: no sarge to sarge, |
| 09:49.37 | deadline | liable: http://pastebin.com/479026 |
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| 09:50.56 | deadline | maybe important to know that this OS installation used to be sarge when it was testing |
| 09:51.06 | liable | deadline: and you havent previously had other sources? is it a pre-stable install cd? |
| 09:51.10 | liable | ahh.. |
| 09:51.21 | Eulex | deadline, what is the version of xlibs |
| 09:51.31 | deadline | Eulex: how do i check? |
| 09:51.49 | Paivakil | deadline: try --force-overwrite or some thing like that to dpkg |
| 09:52.20 | liable | deadline: i would try removing xlibs-6 and try installing again.. |
| 09:52.28 | Eulex | Paivakil, no |
| 09:52.40 | deadline | liable, no single apt action works |
| 09:52.57 | liable | deadline: always fails with that? |
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| 09:54.01 | Eulex | deadline, apt-cache policy xlibs. the package xlibs in sarge does not contain ximcp.so.2, so if you haven't mixed sarge with something else, I have no idea how you could get that error |
| 09:54.26 | Paivakil | Eulex: why not force overwrite files? |
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| 09:55.04 | agon | Eulex: it works good with 3.4 thank you very much |
| 09:55.23 | agon | btw when i launched configure, i saw that error |
| 09:55.23 | basse | liable: hmm, i tried the instructions, but doesnt seem to help. i started to get these after upgrading to sid. |
| 09:55.24 | agon | configure: creating libtool |
| 09:55.24 | agon | appending configuration tag "CXX" to libtool |
| 09:55.24 | agon | *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption: 0x080643b8 *** |
| 09:55.42 | Eulex | agon, could you try apt-get --reinstall install gcc-4.0 to see if that fixes the gcc-4.0 errors? |
| 09:55.54 | liable | basse: yes, try updating again.. |
| 09:56.07 | basse | liable: updating what? |
| 09:57.07 | liable | basse: you sure you want sid? :) apt-get upgrade.. |
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| 09:57.19 | Eulex | Paivakil, the file will be owned by two packages, which may or may not cause problems when he tries to uninstall the package whose file got overwritten. and btw, it's never good to force stuff if you're not really really sure of it. |
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| 09:57.30 | Eulex | deadline, apt-cache policy xlibs? |
| 09:57.47 | basse | liable: heh, yes.. my testing started to have lot of sid in it already, so I decided to go all the way :) |
| 09:58.08 | deadline | Eulex: want to know the whole output ? |
| 09:58.14 | agon | Eulex: same errors, wierd isnt it ? |
| 09:58.16 | liable | basse: err, i meant apt-get update too btw (typo) |
| 09:58.16 | basse | liable: i know this is not so big deal as the packages install anyway, and I know they are alright, coming from debian servers, but the little notification bugs me.. thats all :) |
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| 09:58.53 | liable | basse: if you have been running sarge you should already have apt>0.6. |
| 09:59.20 | basse | liable: yep.. this is something about the keys.. |
| 09:59.42 | Eulex | deadline, yes. use paster to paste it. |
| 09:59.44 | Eulex | !paster |
| 09:59.45 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 09:59.46 | liable | basse: you have nerim in sources? |
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| 10:01.37 | basse | liable: i think just the basic ones, let me check |
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| 10:02.24 | laurens_ | greetings! |
| 10:03.04 | laurens_ | I have a problem with an USB stick. I can mount and write to it, but I've noticed that the acutal writing only happens when it is umounted. How can I get it to write to the disk instantly? |
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| 10:04.14 | deadline | Eulex: http://pastebin.com/479032 |
| 10:04.24 | Eulex | laurens_, sync |
| 10:04.24 | JKnife | when will yall have X6.7? |
| 10:04.46 | Eulex | JKnife, very likely never |
| 10:05.08 | JKnife | ? |
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| 10:05.56 | yer | hey hey hey everybody |
| 10:06.05 | deadline | laurens_: normally, first mount, then write to the dir, then unmount and it should write the files after unmounting |
| 10:06.54 | basse | liable: i think it started working now after apt-get update.. thanks. |
| 10:06.58 | yer | sync |
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| 10:07.14 | yer | syync forces write imediately |
| 10:07.49 | liable | !usbmount |
| 10:08.16 | yer | hey its 5:16am here, what about everybody else |
| 10:08.28 | liable | meh, my bot-fu is weak tonight.. |
| 10:08.33 | yer | heh |
| 10:08.46 | deadline | Eulex: saw my link? |
| 10:08.52 | Eulex | deadline, well, there's your problem -- you've got xlibs 4.3.0-0ds4 installed -- how did you get that one? |
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| 10:09.37 | deadline | Eulex: i have no clue. can i savily remove it? |
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| 10:10.51 | Eulex | deadline, I think so, though it'll probably remove a lot of things it depends on |
| 10:11.07 | JKnife | 5:11am |
| 10:11.10 | yer | nice |
| 10:11.20 | yer | you know |
| 10:11.32 | deadline | Eulex: remove it by apt-get --purge remove? |
| 10:11.33 | yer | im begining to think that freenode wasnt the best place to come to look for a conversation |
| 10:11.40 | Eulex | deadline, yep |
| 10:12.02 | deadline | yer: this is a support channel. almost no smalltalk here:) |
| 10:12.07 | yer | i know |
| 10:12.19 | yer | but support chans are all the chans i know :( |
| 10:12.25 | deadline | lol |
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| 10:13.36 | deadline | Eulex: apt-get --purge remove xlibs ? like this?? |
| 10:13.48 | Eulex | deadline, from a little googling, it seems like that version of xlibs was in unstable in the middle of 2003 |
| 10:13.52 | Eulex | deadline, yep |
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| 10:14.04 | deadline | Eulex: yes this is an old installation |
| 10:14.10 | deadline | trying to reanimate it |
| 10:14.13 | deadline | :) |
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| 10:14.33 | justin_randell | hi... my debian install just failed to reboot, after an apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade ; reboot |
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| 10:14.36 | yer | ok, my vision is blurry. time for sleep |
| 10:14.49 | liable | hrm i would dpkg --purge it.. |
| 10:14.56 | Eulex | deadline, well, do you remember running sid on it or installing xfree86 from sid |
| 10:15.13 | justin_randell | it is unhappily siitting here beside me, saying "Loading 2.6.8EBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage" |
| 10:15.16 | SonnyBurnett | hi, how can I edit my partition with hexedit or another tool? |
| 10:15.25 | Eulex | liable, yeah, will try that if apt-get --purge remove doesn't work |
| 10:15.29 | deadline | Eulex: this wants to remove a list of packages which exceeds the size of my terminal screen, and also puts out the error: E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution) |
| 10:15.45 | Eulex | justin_randell, sarge, testing or unstable? |
| 10:15.49 | justin_randell | testing |
| 10:16.02 | deadline | Eulex: as far as i remember with my rusty brain, it always has been sarge, but this was testing in the time |
| 10:16.09 | Eulex | deadline, as liable said, you could try dpkg --purge |
| 10:16.12 | justin_randell | i have an older kernel i can boot with |
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| 10:16.24 | SonnyBurnett | hi, how can I edit my partition with hexedit or another tool? |
| 10:16.42 | Eulex | justin_randell, pebkac. you need at least 2.6.12 for udev in testing. |
| 10:16.50 | deadline | dpkg: error processing xlibs (--purge): |
| 10:16.50 | deadline | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.16 | liable | SonnyBurnett: if you are mad enough to want to do that sort of thing, add yourself to the disk group.. |
| 10:17.16 | SonnyBurnett | can somebody help me please? |
| 10:17.38 | justin_randell | Eulex, so a 'dist-upgrade' will knowingly break the system? |
| 10:17.39 | liable | deadline: --force |
| 10:18.02 | Eulex | justin_randell, yes, if you don't install a new kernel. |
| 10:18.08 | SonnyBurnett | liable: I need to know wheres the copy of my superblock |
| 10:18.28 | liable | SonnyBurnett: i have no idea. |
| 10:18.36 | deadline | liable: dpkg: unknown force/refuse option `--purge' |
| 10:18.37 | justin_randell | Eulex, thanks for the insight. I had ignorantly assumed the upgrade request would push the kernel forward too. |
| 10:18.40 | SonnyBurnett | liable: ok thanks anyway |
| 10:18.57 | justin_randell | Eulex, furthermore, it sounds like i can rescue it by upgrading the kernel? |
| 10:19.08 | Eulex | justin_randell, it would, if you had had the kernel-image-2.6 metapackage installed |
| 10:19.34 | SonnyBurnett | can somebody help me viewing my partition with hexedit? |
| 10:19.47 | Eulex | justin_randell, yes. boot a live-cd, mount your debian partition(s), chroot into it, and install a 2.6.12 kernel or newer |
| 10:20.17 | justin_randell | ta. I have a 2.6.7 kernel sitting here which boots, i'll give it a go right now |
| 10:20.39 | liable | deadline: dpkg -r --force-dpends foo |
| 10:20.49 | liable | depends even.. |
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| 10:21.00 | glick | hey is anyone using an ipod with their debian desktop? |
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| 10:21.05 | glick | or ubuntu desktop? |
| 10:21.09 | Phated | I am. |
| 10:21.12 | Phated | Debian, anyway. |
| 10:21.20 | Eulex | glick, are you on debian or ubuntu? |
| 10:21.29 | glick | Eulex, im on ubuntu right now |
| 10:21.32 | deadline | liable: dont without errors, and now dist-upgrade? |
| 10:21.33 | programm | Hello everybody |
| 10:21.41 | SonnyBurnett | hello |
| 10:21.42 | deadline | liable: done* |
| 10:21.50 | glick | it mounts fine when i plug it in and a little icon comes up |
| 10:21.54 | liable | deadline: yeah |
| 10:21.58 | Eulex | glick, for ubuntu, goto #ubuntu |
| 10:22.00 | programm | What's the command to mount an ipod on Debian Sarge ? I think mount /dev/sda but i'm not sure... |
| 10:22.03 | SonnyBurnett | somedoby help me pleaseeee |
| 10:22.12 | SonnyBurnett | :'( |
| 10:22.15 | glick | but when i try to unmount it i get "invalud options to unmount" and it corrupts the file sysem |
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| 10:23.04 | glick | Phated, how do you mount and unmount your ipod? |
| 10:23.06 | Eulex | glick, #ubuntu |
| 10:23.06 | liable | !ipod |
| 10:23.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ipod is a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
| 10:23.08 | deadline | liable: dist-upgrade ended with that 'apt-get -f install' error (dependencies), apt-get -f install wants to install about 160megs of packages. shall i do that? |
| 10:23.40 | Phated | glick: With mount and umount? |
| 10:23.45 | programm | i have installed gtkpod |
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| 10:23.50 | liable | deadline: well, you obviously need newer dependncies than before, so yeah, try it.. |
| 10:23.58 | programm | but, my ipod is not mount automatically |
| 10:24.13 | glick | hmmm |
| 10:24.19 | Eulex | programm, he's on ubuntu. you're on debian. |
| 10:24.24 | programm | ko |
| 10:24.26 | programm | ok* |
| 10:24.27 | liable | maybe :) |
| 10:24.49 | prp | hello i get this error with samba, printing/pcap.c:pcap_cache_reload(149) ; Unable to open printcap file /etc/printcap for read! .. that's because i don't have a printer, and i don't inted to use one, how do i get rid of this error ? can't find anything on google about it |
| 10:24.59 | glick | since their faily close distros i thought someone in here might know :) cause no one in ubuntu seems to own an ipod |
| 10:25.13 | Eulex | glick, #ubuntu please, or I'll have to topicsmite you |
| 10:25.17 | Eulex | !they don't know |
| 10:25.17 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 10:25.48 | liable | deadline: assumong you didnt clean you're cache.. |
| 10:25.59 | deadline | liable: no.. |
| 10:26.26 | glick | sorry |
| 10:26.27 | liable | assumong? wow i have taken my typing tardness to a new level :) |
| 10:26.39 | deadline | heh |
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| 10:28.20 | liable | prp: well, i guess you remove the printing stuff from your samba confs? |
| 10:28.26 | faked | where can I set the default-umask für smb.mount (cifs.mount) ? |
| 10:28.54 | justin_randell | Eulex, regarding upgrading a testing install to 2.6.12 - i see no 2.6.12 here! (apt-cache search only returns 2.6.7 and 2.6.8) |
| 10:29.37 | prp | liable: bad guess |
| 10:29.41 | liable | justin_randell: its linux-image now.. |
| 10:30.01 | Eulex | justin_randell, search for linux-image-2.6.12* |
| 10:30.08 | liable | prp: well, let me guess again.. |
| 10:31.11 | prp | liable: i even have load printers = No in my confs |
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| 10:31.31 | justin_randell | Eulex, cheers - it's on its way down :) |
| 10:32.11 | justin_randell | Eulex, i'm interested in this meta-package you mentioned; might save me from such issues in the future. Know where I can learn about this? |
| 10:32.41 | liable | aptitude show linux-image-2.6-686? |
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| 10:33.22 | justin_randell | is -686 ok to use with AMD? |
| 10:33.29 | liable | no |
| 10:33.44 | Eulex | justin_randell, what amd? |
| 10:33.46 | deadline | liable: apt-get -f update failed: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/xkb/README', which is also in package xlibs-data. any idea what to do now? |
| 10:33.52 | justin_randell | 64 3000 |
| 10:34.06 | liable | deadline: its the only error? |
| 10:34.10 | deadline | liable: apt-get -f install i meant |
| 10:34.18 | Eulex | justin_randell, sure, -686 will work, but it won't be optimal. install -k7 |
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| 10:34.36 | deadline | liable: no, there are similar ones |
| 10:34.43 | liable | deadline: paste it |
| 10:34.48 | deadline | liable: ok |
| 10:34.59 | justin_randell | thanx - i had already gone with -386 just to be safe, but i guess now would be the appropriate time to replace it! |
| 10:35.31 | deadline | liable: http://pastebin.com/479049 |
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| 10:36.44 | liable | deadline: do the dpkg futx on xlibs-dev |
| 10:36.53 | liable | futz.. |
| 10:36.57 | deadline | liable: futz ? |
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| 10:37.15 | liable | deadline: remove it :) |
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| 10:37.37 | deadline | liable: ok |
| 10:37.40 | SimonRaven | run it again |
| 10:37.45 | naoshige | good morning people |
| 10:37.47 | naoshige | what's up? |
| 10:38.03 | klesmen | \quit |
| 10:38.20 | liable | deadline: xlibs-dev is from woody.. |
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| 10:39.12 | naoshige | anybody fancy helping me with some mp3 scripts? http://pastebin.com/479050 |
| 10:39.22 | deadline | liable: oh, strange. now its going to get 400mb, ill brb |
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| 10:39.45 | liable | deadline: haha, you'll end up with a sarge system one day :) |
| 10:39.58 | deadline | liable: one day...:) |
| 10:40.00 | deadline | well brb |
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| 10:41.19 | naoshige | i thought debian people could help |
| 10:41.21 | naoshige | my friend said |
| 10:41.24 | naoshige | ask some debian people |
| 10:41.35 | Eulex | naoshige, are you on debian? |
| 10:42.09 | liable | naoshige: i would thing #sed or #bash or #python would be better :) |
| 10:42.40 | justin_randell | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.49 | dondelelcaro | naoshige: learn how to use rename instead of that sed script, and be happy. |
| 10:42.52 | justin_randell | thanks guys, i have a booting system again :) |
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| 10:43.59 | naoshige | =) |
| 10:44.01 | naoshige | thanks guys |
| 10:44.06 | naoshige | i have rename but |
| 10:44.08 | naoshige | i thought it was like |
| 10:44.14 | naoshige | rename _-_ - * for instance |
| 10:44.16 | naoshige | that won't work |
| 10:44.21 | naoshige | can you guys show me a nice syntax? |
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| 10:44.47 | dondelelcaro | naoshige: no, in Debian rename is far more powerful. You want something like find . -type f -print0 |xargs -0 rename 's/foo/bar/g'; |
| 10:44.48 | liable | naoshige: please learn puctuation also :) /msg dpkg enter |
| 10:45.05 | naoshige | heheh |
| 10:45.07 | naoshige | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 10:45.17 | aimtrainer | hi! I got a usb luetooth dongle for christmas :) Problem: lsusb shows it but: |
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| 10:45.18 | aimtrainer | aimtrainer@1[~]$ hciconfig |
| 10:45.18 | aimtrainer | hci0: Type: USB |
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| 10:45.19 | aimtrainer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:45.35 | aimtrainer | sorry for flooding 8*( |
| 10:46.03 | aimtrainer | Can anyone tell me how to start it? |
| 10:46.18 | pbrunier | what did you try yet ? |
| 10:46.25 | ismael | I create a script with only the line export var="foo", I run it but when the shell comes back, $var is not exported, any ideas? |
| 10:46.42 | naoshige | dondelelcaro: something like http://pastebin.com/479057 then? |
| 10:46.49 | programm | Ho? http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mediaamovible8or.png |
| 10:46.53 | aimtrainer | nothing -I dont even know what the bluetooth daemon is called. ehm yea I tried some random stuff but... |
| 10:46.59 | programm | !ipod |
| 10:46.59 | dpkg | i guess ipod is a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
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| 10:47.41 | pbrunier | the package is called: bluez-utils |
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| 10:47.56 | one | oi |
| 10:48.05 | one | oi |
| 10:48.21 | pbrunier | in addition I use kdebluetooth for setting up a connection from the gui |
| 10:48.57 | alienbrain_ | ismael: #bash |
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| 10:49.41 | Eulex_ | gah... xchat segfaulted |
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| 10:51.30 | naoshige | dondelelcaro: don't shut me out man ;) |
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| 10:52.45 | liable | Eulex_: as is its want.. :) use irssi :) |
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| 10:53.43 | Eulex_ | umh |
| 10:54.06 | Eulex_ | xchat just got minimizes on some way... *head against wall* |
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| 10:54.13 | loca|host | i have two linux servers (FC and Debian), i want to synchronize folders between these servers, so every update made on o a side will be made on the other side |
| 10:54.23 | Eulex | *minimized |
| 10:54.31 | liable | rsync.. |
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| 10:54.51 | loca|host | rsync ? |
| 10:54.58 | liable | yes |
| 10:55.15 | pbrunier | rsync? yes |
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| 10:55.40 | vpalle | hmm |
| 10:55.47 | liable | mmh |
| 10:55.52 | pbrunier | jum jum |
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| 10:56.26 | loca|host | ok gonna see the man |
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| 10:56.30 | loca|host | thx |
| 10:57.04 | pbrunier | loca|host: You can also use unison |
| 10:57.09 | pbrunier | unison? yes |
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| 10:57.53 | loca|host | what's the diff ? |
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| 10:58.05 | J_P | hi all |
| 10:58.16 | pbrunier | unison seems to work a bit better bi-directional |
| 10:58.29 | loca|host | i want uni directional |
| 10:59.02 | pbrunier | rsync |
| 10:59.15 | [M]erk | Where can I get the latest apt repositories for sarge? |
| 10:59.38 | Eulex | [M]erk, apt-setup |
| 10:59.42 | liable | [M]erk: erm what do you mean? |
| 10:59.43 | benjamindees | security.debian.org ? |
| 11:00.04 | [M]erk | I installed woody, can I switch to the sarge repositories? |
| 11:00.12 | Eulex | !+woody->sarge |
| 11:00.12 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 11:00.36 | [M]erk | Ah, thanks. |
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| 11:01.29 | liable | [M]erk: if you just installed.. /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 11:06.06 | nima | is there any way to get gdm to stop asking me whether or not i want to make a window manager default? |
| 11:07.23 | SimonRaven | make one default by saying yes |
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| 11:07.59 | nima | i use a mix of several, and i want it to quit asking whenever i start using a differant one |
| 11:08.31 | nima | right now, im somewhere between ratpoison, gnome, xfce and fluxbox |
| 11:08.34 | aimtrainer | would any of you know how to start a local bluetooth device? It is detected but hciconfig saiy its DOWN |
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| 11:08.54 | SimonRaven | then don't use gdm, and run it via startx or selectwm or something of that sort |
| 11:09.20 | Henry_Bean | hello, people, question... how pass configure parameters through dpkg-buildpackage, i mean, normally i do ./configure --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.4 (in example), how to do it using dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 11:09.42 | nima | alright, thanks, SimonRaven |
| 11:10.54 | liable | heh that reminds me of a qotd. :) |
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| 11:15.38 | [M]erk | !sources |
| 11:15.39 | dpkg | sources are to unstable.. |
| 11:15.47 | [M]erk | !sources.lst |
| 11:15.47 | dpkg | from memory, sources.lst is (I think you mean /etc/apt/sources.list...) If you have problems adding unofficial sites to sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' orwoody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: ... |
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| 11:16.19 | [M]erk | !latest-sources.lst |
| 11:17.17 | deadline | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.22 | SimonRaven | eh, that's old |
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| 11:17.36 | Wharfedale | hi there |
| 11:17.55 | Wharfedale | Can someone help me get sound on Debian Sarge please |
| 11:17.56 | liable | !remove kde |
| 11:17.56 | dpkg | remove kde is, like, apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 11:18.01 | Wharfedale | I installed alsa |
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| 11:18.06 | liable | deadline: it worked? |
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| 11:18.26 | Wharfedale | It finds no devices though, i can give ssh access if needed |
| 11:18.43 | deadline | liable: not really, almost. got to remove some kde stuff which makes problems. and is not needed anyway.. |
| 11:18.49 | SimonRaven | don't give ssh access to random people |
| 11:19.14 | Wharfedale | I can't get anywhere by my self though |
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| 11:19.33 | Wharfedale | :( |
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| 11:19.58 | Wharfedale | Duno what else to try |
| 11:20.06 | liable | Wharfedale: well, learning is better than getting rooted by some anonymous irc bandit :) |
| 11:20.47 | liable | Wharfedale: alsaconf doesnt find the card? |
| 11:20.48 | Wharfedale | I have tryed fixing the sounds problem for a while now, i have had help from pro's before, some failed on anoter machine of mine |
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| 11:20.54 | Wharfedale | this is a diffrent machine now though |
| 11:21.02 | Wharfedale | liable, no |
| 11:21.11 | Wharfedale | sorry |
| 11:21.13 | Wharfedale | YES |
| 11:21.13 | Wharfedale | lol |
| 11:21.28 | Wharfedale | It fails to find any cards when it probes |
| 11:21.45 | liable | Wharfedale: and the card is supported? |
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| 11:22.06 | Wharfedale | Not sure, lol, i think a while back i got this computer to give sound once |
| 11:22.17 | goccia | what cards ? |
| 11:22.18 | Wharfedale | It's a ac97 card i think |
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| 11:23.18 | liable | Wharfedale: lscpci |grep Audio then hit google |
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| 11:24.17 | lunitik | liable: you realize you mean 'audio' not 'Audio' right? ;) |
| 11:24.30 | Arun333 | liable: :) |
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| 11:24.53 | Wharfedale | Found the carfd |
| 11:24.55 | Wharfedale | card* |
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| 11:25.03 | liable | lunitik: yes, i was just about to change that comment :) |
| 11:25.05 | Arun333 | laible: is it possible to install .deb packages into fedora |
| 11:25.09 | The_Ball | any suggestions on how to access a block device on a remote host? |
| 11:25.23 | lunitik | Arun333: nuh uh? |
| 11:25.38 | lunitik | Arun333: maintaining two databases of packages is a pain though |
| 11:25.49 | liable | Arun333: ?? i dont think so, ask in the fedora channel.. |
| 11:26.41 | lunitik | Arun333: I don't know enough about 'smartpm'... but that seems to be an indirect goal of it... |
| 11:26.49 | liable | ok, nite, time for another meal made mostly from leg ham, and then bed :) |
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| 11:31.39 | Trigger13 | hi |
| 11:31.55 | enveezee | yep |
| 11:32.00 | enveezee | I sure am. |
| 11:32.00 | Trigger13 | does anyone know if it is possible to change the model name of an usb device? |
| 11:32.06 | Trigger13 | or is this hardcoded? |
| 11:32.14 | enveezee | change the model name? |
| 11:32.23 | enveezee | who cares? |
| 11:32.33 | Trigger13 | me ;) |
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| 11:32.49 | SimonRaven | ask your real question |
| 11:32.56 | Eulex | Trigger13, not possible |
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| 11:33.21 | Trigger13 | because usbmount creates links depending on the model name in /var/run/usbmount |
| 11:34.16 | Wharfedale | I am realy lost |
| 11:34.17 | Trigger13 | and i want to be able to identify the sticks/hds based on their name |
| 11:34.19 | Wharfedale | I hit google |
| 11:34.25 | enveezee | chatzilla has "admin" as the default username now which is really stupid.. caused freenode to drop my connection before I could /nick |
| 11:34.26 | Wharfedale | I found loads of odd info |
| 11:34.40 | Wharfedale | I don't 100% understand unix and linux |
| 11:34.53 | enveezee | Trigger13: no you dont, thats just silly |
| 11:34.58 | Trigger13 | kk |
| 11:35.09 | Eulex | Trigger13, well, that's a problem with usbmount. it's impossible to change the model name of a usb device |
| 11:35.23 | Trigger13 | thought this, ok |
| 11:35.27 | Eulex | Wharfedale, your qeustion is? |
| 11:35.32 | enveezee | names can overlap, you need something unique |
| 11:35.41 | enveezee | like a serial number or something to that nature |
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| 11:36.00 | Trigger13 | enveezee, yeah, that's the problem |
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| 11:36.05 | enveezee | food would be nice |
| 11:36.11 | Wharfedale | Eulex, I'm a newbie to linux and stuff, i want to install sound on debian sarge, alsa fails to find a device, it's an intel ac97 card |
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| 11:36.26 | Wharfedale | lspci |grep audio shows it |
| 11:36.29 | enveezee | I should go hit up McDonalds before I get this beer open |
| 11:36.30 | prp | hello i get this error with samba, printing/pcap.c:pcap_cache_reload(149) ; Unable to open printcap file /etc/printcap for read! .. that's because i don't have a printer, and i don't inted to use one, how do i get rid of this error ? can't find anything on google about it |
| 11:36.33 | SevenIsPrime | Merry Christmas, fellow debians :) |
| 11:36.39 | Trigger13 | Wharfedale, did you try to run alsaconf? |
| 11:36.44 | Wharfedale | yEA |
| 11:36.47 | bizkit | !tell Wharfedale about alsa |
| 11:36.48 | Wharfedale | Yea* |
| 11:36.54 | Eulex | Wharfedale, tried alsaconf? is alsa-utils and alsa-base installed? |
| 11:37.05 | Eulex | Wharfedale, what kernel? (uname -r) |
| 11:37.05 | Wharfedale | It is |
| 11:37.19 | Wharfedale | 2.4 |
| 11:37.25 | deadline | !remove kde |
| 11:37.25 | dpkg | [remove kde] apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 11:37.30 | Wharfedale | i386 |
| 11:37.39 | enveezee | prp: edit /etc/samba/smb.conf and take out the printer config. or just touch /etc/printcap and make it happy |
| 11:37.47 | Eulex | Wharfedale, then you either need to upgrade to 2.6 or install the alsa-modules for your kernel |
| 11:37.50 | SevenIsPrime | Does anybody know how to persuade sarge r1 to install with a 2.6 kernel that actually detects my Intel 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA controller? |
| 11:38.05 | bizkit | moin |
| 11:38.16 | enveezee | SevenIsPrime: linux26 |
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| 11:38.24 | SevenIsPrime | If I use the standard 2.4 kernel, it uses the deprecated SATA drivers (but works). Using "linux26" at boot fails. |
| 11:38.25 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, the 2.4 kernel detects it just fine. install a 2.6.12 kernel after installing. |
| 11:38.30 | Wharfedale | is there an easy way to update my kernal? |
| 11:38.37 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: Oh grand. |
| 11:38.44 | Eulex | Wharfedale, apt-get it |
| 11:38.46 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: I'd rather not have to install 2.4 first. |
| 11:38.50 | enveezee | Wharfedale: your what? |
| 11:39.00 | SimonRaven | !kernal |
| 11:39.00 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, why? |
| 11:39.00 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 11:39.03 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: The driver module needed is "ata_piix" |
| 11:39.04 | Wharfedale | enveezee, kernal |
| 11:39.08 | enveezee | what? |
| 11:39.14 | SimonRaven | !kernal |
| 11:39.14 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 11:39.15 | Wharfedale | Eulex understanded |
| 11:39.20 | Trigger13 | Wharfedale, search for linux-image |
| 11:39.26 | Wharfedale | understood |
| 11:39.26 | Wharfedale | lol |
| 11:39.38 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: Because I will collect a whole pile of /etc/* files I don't need |
| 11:39.47 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, yes, and? installing with 2.4 will work very well. then when you're done installing, install a 2.6 kernel |
| 11:39.52 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 11:39.53 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, no, it *won't* |
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| 11:40.10 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: sure? The module handling is quite different. No more "modules.conf" etc. |
| 11:40.13 | SimonRaven | whatever you've been smoking, stop |
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| 11:41.02 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: Beside the fact that it confuses "grub". No more root=/dev/hda but /dev/sda instead, etc. |
| 11:41.28 | enveezee | SevenIsPrime: the module handling in 2.6 was completly rewritten, and requires replacement of modutils with module-init-tools in order for it to work |
| 11:41.28 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, then just change root to /dev/sda in menu.lst. |
| 11:41.36 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: I thought r1 would have improved on that. Oh well. I'll install 2.4 then *sigh* |
| 11:41.48 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, is it such a big deal? |
| 11:42.06 | enveezee | !sns syndrome |
| 11:42.06 | dpkg | from memory, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 11:42.14 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: Not really. It is just ... well ... if I had not been there before with the r0 release, it could be very confusing. |
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| 11:42.36 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: I am worried about the newbies out there. |
| 11:42.52 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, umh... I don't see your point |
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| 11:43.02 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: The moment Debian spits the "No partionable drives detected" they may get discouraged. |
| 11:43.51 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, the 2.4 kernel is the default. therefore most newbies will install with it and everything will work well. |
| 11:44.08 | enveezee | its too early to start drinking beer... 7:30am might be a better time :P |
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| 11:44.26 | hail04 | haha |
| 11:44.30 | hail04 | im drinking some now |
| 11:44.36 | hail04 | but its 10:44PM here |
| 11:44.36 | robin_sz | Question, is christmas over yet, can I come out now? |
| 11:44.37 | Muffie | hello all. |
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| 11:45.08 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: ok, you are right. Debian is perfect. Don't ever change autodetection of SATA hardware ;-) |
| 11:45.28 | Muffie | hmmm, I have a strange question. Anyone knows where I can download binary versions of some virii? I need to test some anti-virus software... Sober, Netsky, etc... |
| 11:45.32 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: Is it the same for testing |
| 11:45.35 | enveezee | there are 3 McDonalds within a 5 mile radius here in morgantown |
| 11:45.39 | robin_sz | SevenIsPrime: doesnt it detect SATA drives then? |
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| 11:45.45 | goccia | get eicar |
| 11:45.53 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, this has got to do with the kernel. the 2.6.8 kernel doesn't work with ich6m. |
| 11:45.56 | SevenIsPrime | robin_sz: Not when using the 2.6 kernel branch. |
| 11:46.08 | robin_sz | SevenIsPrime: gee. even doze does that ... |
| 11:46.15 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, and it has nothing to do with autodetection |
| 11:46.18 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: Oh, I was not aware of that. I thought it had the ata_piix driver already. |
| 11:46.24 | SimonRaven | Eulex: debian didn't patch the support in? |
| 11:46.34 | SevenIsPrime | SimonRaven: No, aparently not. |
| 11:46.37 | SimonRaven | (seems not...) |
| 11:46.54 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: Well, how do you interpret the message: "No partitionable drives detected!" then? |
| 11:47.00 | Eulex | SimonRaven, Didn't Work Here(tm) at least |
| 11:47.08 | robin_sz | SevenIsPrime: thats nearly as bad as the mouse/touchpad support then ;) |
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| 11:47.40 | SevenIsPrime | robin_sz: Oh my ... I am trying to install on a new notebook. Grr. I better be ready for a slaughter then? |
| 11:47.48 | SevenIsPrime | brb |
| 11:48.03 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, that it can't find your drive. but, as I said, to get that error, you'll have to specify linux26. |
| 11:48.08 | enveezee | I wanted to drink last night but I get here last night with a case of beer thinking I am going to chill and socialize with family.. and half of them one me to jitney them around town when I am trying to sit and get drunk.. and the rest of them show up and want to go to sleep.. so I am in bed all early as shit when I am used to waking up. |
| 11:48.19 | Eulex | at the boot prompt. most newbies won't do that. |
| 11:48.28 | robin_sz | SevenIsPrime: if you just want to use one ort he other its fine ... but X doesnt seem to support both at once like 'doze does |
| 11:48.51 | enveezee | now I am the only one up sitting here on irc while the rest of these bums sleep |
| 11:48.58 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, btw, is your cd drive sata over atapi? |
| 11:49.03 | enveezee | I could have stayed in the burg and went to the bar and been in good company |
| 11:49.11 | Eulex | robin_sz, what are you talking about? |
| 11:49.18 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: CD is PATA (atapi) |
| 11:49.27 | robin_sz | Eulex: combined mouse/touchpad support in X |
| 11:49.32 | Muffie | anyone? a good virus repository? |
| 11:49.35 | enveezee | these people are boring me, they better liven up soon I am not going to sit around ad watch em sleep :P |
| 11:49.55 | pngwn | Muffie, microsoft.com |
| 11:50.01 | enveezee | heh |
| 11:50.02 | Muffie | Anyone knows where I can download binary versions of some virii? I need to test some anti-virus software... Sober, Netsky, etc... |
| 11:50.03 | robin_sz | enveezee: wake them .. in some amusing way. Hot wax can be useful. |
| 11:50.15 | Muffie | pngwn, ??? |
| 11:50.16 | SevenIsPrime | robin_sz: Well, I have touchpad and the little rubber thingy in the keyboard (is an IBM T43) |
| 11:50.18 | enveezee | robin_sz: melt cheese on em |
| 11:50.22 | bbrazil | Muffie: clamav has a package with some signatures |
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| 11:50.25 | robin_sz | Muffie: just search for "warez" on the net |
| 11:50.26 | enveezee | SevenIsPrime: I love those |
| 11:50.34 | SevenIsPrime | Muffie: There is a special test pattern for that. |
| 11:50.43 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, then you either need to get the 2.6.14 kernel and specify libata.atapi_enabled at the boot prompt or for older kernels change an #undef to #define in some file I don't recall right now |
| 11:50.44 | enveezee | I much prefer those to a touchpad |
| 11:50.52 | enveezee | touchpads are teh suck |
| 11:50.52 | SevenIsPrime | Muffie: You NEVER use real virus to test anti virus software! |
| 11:51.00 | enveezee | even with the most advanced features |
| 11:51.01 | Muffie | SevenIsPrime: I preffer to find some REAL virus! :) |
| 11:51.05 | robin_sz | SevenIsPrime: no problem with those .. it is connected internally to the touchpad usually, appears as one device |
| 11:51.17 | Eulex | robin_sz, and? why wouldn't that work on 2.4 kernels? |
| 11:51.31 | goccia | real virus are undetectable |
| 11:51.34 | SevenIsPrime | Muffie: It is against all "best practice" |
| 11:51.34 | SimonRaven | SevenIsPrime: um, that would only matter on a wincrap box... |
| 11:51.42 | robin_sz | SevenIsPrime: but in 'doze you can just plug a wheel-mouse in on USB and have it work in tandem ... not in X |
| 11:51.57 | Muffie | SevenIsPrime: ok, but anyway, do you know where I can find it? |
| 11:52.05 | Eulex | robin_sz, then you haven't configured your X correctly |
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| 11:52.24 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 11:52.41 | robin_sz | Eulex: well, I didn;t have to do anyting in 'doze .. it just worked, what shoudl I do I X to configure it?? |
| 11:52.50 | enveezee | robin_sz: usually if you got a nubby you dont have a touchpad for one thing. and for another, in 2.6 input has been reworked so that most everything fits into the input layer which hides all lower level drivers from userland completly. when you load a ps2 mouse driver it connects to the input layer /dev/input/mice just the same as any other subsystem |
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| 11:53.25 | robin_sz | enveezee: I only have 2.4 |
| 11:53.27 | SimonRaven | mac ppc's been doing that since mid-2.4 ... |
| 11:53.37 | SevenIsPrime | Muffie: http://clamav-du.securesites.net/cgi-bin/clamgrok |
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| 11:53.48 | robin_sz | macs yes, windows, yes .. linux, apparently not |
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| 11:54.09 | SimonRaven | um, i was speaking of linux... |
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| 11:54.33 | robin_sz | well, I never managed to figure out how to get mine to do it ... |
| 11:54.34 | Eulex | robin_sz, here are the relevant parts in my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/479104 |
| 11:54.41 | enveezee | robin_sz: I used to keep both around and ran mostly 2.4 but after testing 2.6 for months and going through many revisions I started using it on all my systems. it has lots of new features I especially like the build cleanups |
| 11:54.55 | tarzeau | http://popcon.debian.org/ cool 99 more users and we have 10000! |
| 11:55.07 | SevenIsPrime | Oh well, let me fumble around with my 2.4 kernel then :) |
| 11:55.35 | Muffie | SevenIsPrime: Great, thanks. Thats only a database or I can download some of the virus? |
| 11:55.41 | SevenIsPrime | Does anybody know what kernel is currently used on the "unofficial" etch install CD? |
| 11:56.01 | robin_sz | Eulex: and that setup will allow simultaeneous use of the mouse and touchpad? |
| 11:56.05 | Eulex | robin_sz, note that my touchpad is an alps glidepoint one; you can't just copy and paste that setup if yours is a synaptic |
| 11:56.09 | Eulex | robin_sz, yes. |
| 11:56.12 | robin_sz | coo. |
| 11:56.20 | robin_sz | OK, I'll try ... |
| 11:56.20 | enveezee | !depends kernel-image-2.6 etch |
| 11:56.27 | robin_sz | ta. |
| 11:56.45 | enveezee | er |
| 11:56.53 | enveezee | !depends linux-image-2.6 |
| 11:57.30 | SevenIsPrime | Muffie: http://www.webmail.us/testvirus |
| 11:58.00 | SimonRaven | apt-get install clamav-testfiles |
| 11:58.09 | enveezee | SevenIsPrime: I would look on a package mirror.. dpkg is being a pain in my butt cause I dont know the package names for etch |
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| 11:58.28 | enveezee | SevenIsPrime: or read the install guide.. probably says in there |
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| 11:59.16 | Eulex | robin_sz, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad contains some nifty info (everything but the emerge and kernel compile bits apply to debian too) |
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| 11:59.48 | asuffield | SevenIsPrime: obviously that's going to depend on *which* 'unofficial' CD you are looking at... |
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| 12:05.59 | NyteRukh | morning |
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| 12:06.39 | Hellark | hi |
| 12:07.25 | Hellark | i got /lib/modules/2.6.14.4/kernel/drivers/ide: No such file or directory |
| 12:07.41 | Hellark | i didn't compile the ide-disk as module |
| 12:07.51 | Hellark | where is the problem? |
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| 12:09.13 | goccia | ohhh christmas is over : 62 debian messages :) |
| 12:09.29 | goccia | ahhhhh : all of 'em are kde !!! |
| 12:10.55 | FinnTux | cd |
| 12:11.00 | FinnTux | oops |
| 12:11.04 | FinnTux | wrong window |
| 12:11.28 | goccia | and all "Not subscribed to gentoo*" |
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| 12:11.35 | goccia | terrible |
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| 12:13.40 | nornagon | I have an ATi Radeon 9600, and recently bought a new LCD monitor. The LCD doesn't show bright colors very well -- I can barely tell the difference between 90% gray and 100% white. I rang the manufacturer, they told me to use the control panel for my video card as the brightness control on the monitor actually adjusts the backlight. So anyway, I rebooted into windows and used the ATi control panel to adjust the contrast down from 100 |
| 12:14.14 | goccia | 20 more !! |
| 12:14.19 | nornagon | I'm using the fglrx driver (obviously) |
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| 12:16.20 | vovka | i have a problem with qmailrocks compiling |
| 12:16.30 | vovka | ld cant find -lcrypto |
| 12:16.31 | vovka | 8-( |
| 12:16.47 | mhall | nornagon: please consider using apt-cache in the future |
| 12:16.53 | SevenIsPrime | asuffield: Any image using 2.6.14 kernel out there, you know of? |
| 12:16.56 | mhall | nornagon: you would have found fglrx-control |
| 12:17.21 | mhall | SevenIsPrime: i will link you to closest you will find |
| 12:17.32 | ziz0u | Do I need a extended partition to have 5 primary partitions? |
| 12:17.50 | goccia | ehi no way |
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| 12:18.03 | nornagon | mhall: I have fglrx-control; please consider reading questions in the future :( |
| 12:18.11 | goccia | you get 4 primary : one extended and logical as you like |
| 12:18.25 | ziz0u | ook |
| 12:18.35 | mhall | nornagon: your irc client truncated it chief |
| 12:18.38 | nornagon | ahh |
| 12:18.43 | nornagon | where to? |
| 12:18.54 | kyncani | vovka: apt-file search lib/libcrypto ? |
| 12:18.57 | mhall | nornagon: adjust the contrast down from 100... |
| 12:19.17 | nornagon | down from 100 to 90 or so, and things looked about right. What I'm wondering is, how can I do the same on linux? fglrx-control doens't seem to have that functionality. |
| 12:19.35 | vovka | apt-file ? |
| 12:19.40 | mhall | nornagon: hmm funny, the nv equiv and sis equiv i used support this stuff |
| 12:19.50 | nornagon | fglrx-control has gamma adjustment but not contrast :( |
| 12:20.07 | kyncani | SevenIsPrime: linux-image-2.6-686 installs a 2.6.14 kernel image |
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| 12:20.42 | kyncani | vovka: apt-get install && man apt-file |
| 12:20.59 | kyncani | s/install/install apt-file/ |
| 12:21.10 | SimonRaven | try avoiding read man pages as root... |
| 12:21.39 | SevenIsPrime | kyncani: Yes. But that is not what I meant. I wanted a netinst image with the 2.6.14 kernel on it. |
| 12:22.13 | kyncani | SimonRaven: yeah ;) just a rtfm anticipating the next question (how do i use it) |
| 12:22.17 | nornagon | same with xgamma; gamma but no contrast |
| 12:22.42 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, you may be interested in the following: |
| 12:22.45 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 12:22.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.12 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
| 12:23.08 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: Thanks |
| 12:23.30 | mhall | SevenIsPrime: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:23.34 | mhall | SevenIsPrime: and also |
| 12:23.53 | SevenIsPrime | mhall: Thanks a lot, too :) |
| 12:23.53 | mhall | SevenIsPrime: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 12:24.17 | mhall | SevenIsPrime: if you are talking desktop box you will find amd64 damn disappointing without flash java and OOo |
| 12:24.23 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, but it's inofficial, so it might do anything. the safe bet is to install with 2.4.27 and then install a newer 2.6 kernel |
| 12:25.00 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: yep, got that. Thanks for the warning :) |
| 12:25.48 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: I am booting into the 2.4.27 right now ... lets see how I manage. If it gets too nasty, I'll go to plan B, that is use the inofficial testing stuff. |
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| 12:26.20 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: Do you know why I keep getting "usbcore: already loaded" messages all over the screen? Nasty :) |
| 12:26.32 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, they are harmless |
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| 12:26.58 | nornagon | mhall: any idea, or do I have to try to run the control under wine? |
| 12:27.05 | mhall | nornagon: working on it |
| 12:27.11 | rendi | hi all how work php2 with apache2 ? |
| 12:27.16 | rendi | any sugestion |
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| 12:27.25 | rendi | what shoul i do install |
| 12:27.32 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: I know they are harmless, but they are annoying none the less :) |
| 12:27.34 | nornagon | mhall: ah, thanks ^_^ |
| 12:27.48 | mhall | nornagon: fglrx-xgamma is mentioned in a forum |
| 12:27.53 | mhall | nornagon: btw still looking |
| 12:28.12 | rendi | hello ? |
| 12:28.22 | rendi | anybody here |
| 12:28.46 | mhall | nornagon: another stunt |
| 12:28.47 | nornagon | mhall: yer, fglrx-xgamma is same as xgamma; no contrast control. |
| 12:29.03 | mhall | nornagon: if you lower all gammas equally that amounts to a brightness change |
| 12:29.14 | mhall | nornagon: but doesn't do shit for contrast |
| 12:29.25 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, I think it is disover that's doing it. after installing, put the modules you need in /etc/modules. then you can safely uninstall discover. |
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| 12:29.39 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: Thanks again :) |
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| 12:29.48 | nornagon | mhall: right; I need to adjust contrast XP |
| 12:30.08 | robin_sz | mhall: no it doenst |
| 12:30.10 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, don't take my word for it though |
| 12:30.20 | robin_sz | mhall: brightness is not gamma |
| 12:30.48 | rendi | anyone can help me please |
| 12:30.49 | SevenIsPrime | There! I said "don't install anything, I want to do that later" and I get a bind9 host. Why is bind required for minimum installations? |
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| 12:31.00 | SevenIsPrime | rendi: What is the problem? |
| 12:31.03 | nornagon | There's a curve; gamma adjusts the deepness of that curve, contrast adjusts the xval of the top-right point and brightness adjusts the xval of the bottom-left point. |
| 12:31.07 | nornagon | afaict |
| 12:31.18 | rendi | SevenIsPrime |
| 12:31.19 | robin_sz | nornagon: correct |
| 12:31.37 | robin_sz | nornagon: almost :) |
| 12:31.47 | rendi | what shoul i do to install php2 with apache2 |
| 12:31.58 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, must be part of the base then. just uninstall it after the installation is done. |
| 12:32.00 | rendi | before i'm use apache1 with php2 |
| 12:32.02 | nornagon | robin_sz: :) |
| 12:32.03 | SevenIsPrime | rendi: Are you sure you want php2? |
| 12:32.03 | rendi | it work fine |
| 12:32.18 | SevenIsPrime | rendi: It is a bit outdated. |
| 12:32.18 | rendi | but after i'm upgrade to apache2 my php is broken |
| 12:32.19 | robin_sz | nornagon: brightness shifts the entire curve up/down, contrast alters the gain/height of the curve, gamma adjusts the shape of the curve |
| 12:32.43 | Eulex | rendi, there's no php2 in debian |
| 12:32.55 | nornagon | ah, okay |
| 12:32.56 | nornagon | well |
| 12:33.02 | robin_sz | close enough though |
| 12:33.06 | SevenIsPrime | rendi: Try php4. What falvour of apache2 did you install? prefork? Worker? |
| 12:33.12 | nornagon | I need to adjust contrast; and I can do it in windows, but I can't do it in linux. :) |
| 12:33.16 | rendi | ya i mean php4 |
| 12:33.17 | Eulex | rendi, there are php3, php4, and php5 though |
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| 12:33.38 | rendi | my apt just show php4 |
| 12:33.48 | robin_sz | nornagon: better to do it on the momitor. otherwise you are not using all the bits of the DAC |
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| 12:34.06 | nornagon | robin_sz: the monitor doesn't have such a control. |
| 12:34.11 | rendi | so what shoul i do to work fine apache2 with php4 i mean what lib i must install |
| 12:34.21 | nornagon | it does have a contrast control, but it actually adjusts brightness |
| 12:34.24 | robin_sz | nornagon: no contrast control on the monitor? |
| 12:34.27 | SevenIsPrime | nornagon: Ok, what monufacturer ships CRTs without controls?? |
| 12:34.31 | nornagon | LCD |
| 12:34.37 | nornagon | it also has a brightness control, but that actually adjusts the backlight level. |
| 12:34.38 | robin_sz | ahh. |
| 12:34.41 | SevenIsPrime | nornagon: Even worse :) |
| 12:34.46 | Eulex | rendi, apt-cache search php4 apache2 |
| 12:34.55 | robin_sz | ahh, thats contrast really |
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| 12:35.15 | rendi | i must install all of them Eulex ? |
| 12:35.24 | ThePiratemaster | hey |
| 12:35.27 | Eulex | rendi, no |
| 12:35.43 | rendi | libapache2-mod-php4 <== only this ? |
| 12:36.05 | Eulex | rendi, depends. read the descriptions. |
| 12:36.16 | mhall | nornagon: you will have to ask an ati support channel i'm afraid |
| 12:36.18 | robin_sz | nornagon: set the blacks so that a 2% grey is just distinguisable from a 0% black ... set the backlight so that a white is as bright as needed, repeat until ahppy |
| 12:36.27 | mhall | nornagon: the literature just does not talk about the contrast issue |
| 12:36.29 | rendi | oh thanks it work Eulex |
| 12:36.33 | rendi | thank you |
| 12:36.43 | Eulex | rendi, yw |
| 12:36.57 | nornagon | mhall: :/ |
| 12:37.13 | faked | I want send emails in my lan with mailx, do I need for sending emails over lan an extra Packages therefore? |
| 12:37.17 | mhall | nornagon: maybe you need an NV card sorry to say |
| 12:37.29 | nornagon | I've needed one for some time. |
| 12:37.34 | mhall | nornagon: but between my NV card and Dell 20" FP i get good color all the time |
| 12:37.43 | mhall | nornagon: how fancy is your current ATI? |
| 12:37.47 | robin_sz | nornagon: I think you need to use th backlight to control the contrast ... that way you are still getting the full dynamic range of the LCD cells. if you start reducing the contrast on the card, you are reducing the dynmaic range and it will look crap |
| 12:37.51 | ThePiratemaster | hey all, in the webmin miniserv.conf, how do i seperate the ipadress in the "allow=" line? |
| 12:38.16 | mhall | robin_sz: 16 million colors is already more than humans distinguish |
| 12:38.24 | nornagon | mhall: It's pretty good, but, ati. |
| 12:38.24 | robin_sz | mhall: incorrect |
| 12:38.39 | nornagon | robin_sz: hrm. |
| 12:38.44 | nornagon | well |
| 12:39.00 | nornagon | in all my fiddling with the backlight/brightness, I haven't managed to get something I like. |
| 12:39.04 | mhall | robin_sz: i've observed many images in many color modes, if i'm wrong i'd appreciate an explanation |
| 12:39.33 | mhall | the fucked up thing is that brightness controls adjust black level and contrast controls adjust brightness |
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| 12:39.47 | mhall | but of course nobody knows what black level is so they couldn't call it that |
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| 12:40.12 | mhall | people are stupid, many stupider than even me |
| 12:40.18 | mhall | quite horrifying to be sure |
| 12:40.33 | nornagon | :P |
| 12:40.51 | mhall | like ATI and your fucking monitor company for example |
| 12:41.10 | robin_sz | mhall: well, I have 15 years experience in television post-prioduction, especially telecine and "grading" work. grading is where you match the colors in one shot, to the colors in another, perhaps taken on different days. the human eye is *amazingly* sensitive and very very fine color shifts are discernble |
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| 12:41.33 | tchize | Hello, i saw something very curious right now |
| 12:41.41 | nornagon | mhall: Dell, btw |
| 12:41.51 | mhall | nornagon: strange. what screen |
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| 12:42.00 | nornagon | E173Fpb |
| 12:42.01 | tchize | 4 packages in the debian repository could be authenticated! |
| 12:42.10 | mhall | nornagon: some of their early lcd panels were featureless analog beasts, etc. |
| 12:42.13 | Eulex | !apt-secure |
| 12:42.13 | dpkg | [apt secure] in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D> |
| 12:43.00 | mhall | robin_sz: that's not the same as saying that the eye could tell the difference between a 24 bit image and one downsampled to 16 |
| 12:43.00 | nornagon | mhall: no idea how early this is. |
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| 12:43.22 | faked | I want send emails in my lan with mailx, do I need for sending emails over lan an extra Packages therefore? |
| 12:43.25 | robin_sz | mhall: I could, with the right test images. no problem |
| 12:43.30 | mhall | robin_sz: because i'll bet in most situations people wouldn't really notice unless pressed |
| 12:43.44 | mhall | robin_sz: i think the problem here is i'm speaking of pragmatic everyday concerns |
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| 12:44.00 | mhall | robin_sz: and you have a great deal more exactitude and professional standards |
| 12:44.08 | Eulex | mhall, it's very possible to see a clear difference between 24 bit and 16 bit color |
| 12:44.21 | mhall | Eulex: it's more possible not to |
| 12:44.34 | rendi | hello can help again |
| 12:44.36 | rendi | /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 12:44.36 | rendi | Not starting apache2 - edit /etc/default/apache2 and change NO_START to be 0. |
| 12:44.37 | nornagon | only if the 24bit image actually uses all 24 bits. |
| 12:44.41 | rendi | :( |
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| 12:44.53 | tchize | Eulex: thanks, but what am worried about is the fact i never got this moeesage for those 4 packages |
| 12:45.14 | robin_sz | mhall: oh well, if you are putting it down to what the average layman will notice, then you are aiming at a very low standard. you originally said "16 million is more than the human eye can distinguish" its not .. but it probably is more than the average layman has learnt to notice |
| 12:45.17 | tchize | i feel strange packages such as mysql-server are suddently not authenticated |
| 12:45.26 | Eulex | tchize, I dunno |
| 12:45.31 | mhall | robin_sz: yes there you are right |
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| 12:45.42 | mhall | robin_sz: i should have been more precise about what i said |
| 12:45.46 | robin_sz | mhall: :) |
| 12:45.51 | mhall | robin_sz: i didn't think that sentence through |
| 12:45.53 | robin_sz | mhall: thats OK, im a pedant |
| 12:45.53 | tchize | looks to me either like mistkae from packager either like tempering of packages by tier |
| 12:45.59 | ziz0u | when I shutdown my computer, I get this error: Stopping Hardware Abstraction Layer: run-parts; /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal exited with return code 2 |
| 12:46.09 | mhall | robin_sz: well i have to take what i dish out |
| 12:46.13 | ziz0u | what I can do? |
| 12:46.17 | mhall | robin_sz: so i can't get on your case about it |
| 12:46.34 | mhall | robin_sz: besides considering your occupation it's probably a very good quality |
| 12:46.45 | robin_sz | mhall: ex occupation ;) |
| 12:46.56 | mhall | robin_sz: into what did you change |
| 12:47.05 | nornagon | mhall: btw, that method you describes doesn't work |
| 12:47.13 | rendi | hello |
| 12:47.15 | mhall | nornagon: which method? |
| 12:47.24 | rendi | how to restart apache2 ? |
| 12:47.28 | nornagon | mhall: basically, fiddling with brightness/backlights |
| 12:47.40 | nornagon | rendi: apache2ctl restart ? |
| 12:47.40 | mhall | nornagon: i'm not so sure that was me |
| 12:47.51 | nornagon | ...oh, that was robin_sz. |
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| 12:47.52 | nornagon | sorry. |
| 12:47.53 | mhall | nornagon: i don't think i addressed the control tweak issue |
| 12:47.53 | robin_sz | mhall: rode the dot come boom doing perl and java ... then moved into cutting of metal with Big Lasers .. oh, and stamp auctions :) |
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| 12:48.12 | mhall | nornagon: i went more in the direction of trying to solve your specific software problem since i'm not a color nazi |
| 12:48.18 | nornagon | robin_sz: btw, that method you described doesn't work. :) |
| 12:48.24 | rendi | thanks nornagon |
| 12:48.25 | robin_sz | mhall: see, how all those occupations logically fit in with each other? |
| 12:48.27 | nornagon | mhall: this isn't me being a color nazi |
| 12:48.35 | mhall | nornagon: i figured somebody else (in this case robin_sz) would be better equipped |
| 12:48.40 | nornagon | mhall: this is me not being able to tell read and unread emails in gmail apart. |
| 12:48.47 | mhall | no i didn't mean to accuse anybody of being one! |
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| 12:48.52 | nornagon | :P |
| 12:48.53 | mhall | i was being tongue in cheek |
| 12:49.02 | nornagon | just pointing out the magnitude of the problem |
| 12:49.02 | robin_sz | nornagon: well, we used that to align monitors for the last xx years at the BBC, it worked for us. |
| 12:49.10 | nornagon | 'cause on a CRT, those colors are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. |
| 12:49.13 | mhall | robin_sz: yeah i think i do |
| 12:49.31 | mhall | nornagon: they are also on my lcd once i lowered the brightness to maybe 70% |
| 12:49.43 | mhall | i can see the shades a lot better now than when it was on uberbright |
| 12:49.43 | nornagon | how do I 'set the blacks', then? |
| 12:49.50 | robin_sz | nornagon: correct re colors LCDs and CRTS are different, even different CRTs are different because they use different phosphors |
| 12:50.03 | Eulex | nornagon, umh, the background color of them look the same? btw, shouldn't you at least be able to see that the new mails are written in bold text? |
| 12:50.11 | nornagon | Eulex: right |
| 12:50.13 | nornagon | Eulex: but |
| 12:50.22 | nornagon | Eulex: the problem of 'they look the same' remains |
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| 12:50.30 | mhall | robin_sz: how do you manage to keep from being overly type A and damaging your circulatory system? ;-) |
| 12:50.48 | robin_sz | mhall: I dont ;) |
| 12:50.48 | nornagon | mhall: my brightness and contrast, read, backlight and brightness, are both set at 75 |
| 12:51.11 | nornagon | and changing the brightness, read backlight, does nothing much |
| 12:51.13 | mhall | fl\\\ro\\\\ |
| 12:51.24 | mhall | ack hit wrong key |
| 12:51.25 | Eulex | nornagon, so you can't see any difference between white and light blue? |
| 12:51.29 | mhall | layout is funky |
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| 12:51.38 | nornagon | Eulex: pretty much. |
| 12:51.48 | tchize | where should i go to contact debian on security issues? |
| 12:51.50 | mhall | robin_sz: the word coming to mind is 'oof' |
| 12:51.51 | nornagon | and changing the contrast, read brightness, changes the brightness. Which doesn't help me, really. |
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| 12:52.30 | robin_sz | nornagon: make a test image with a strip of 2% grey and a strip of 100% white ... increase brightness until its visible, adjust backlight till your "whites" are right, keep going around the loop until the blacks are stable and the whites are where you like them |
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| 12:52.48 | mhall | tchize: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#contact |
| 12:52.53 | nornagon | 2% grey = almost white? |
| 12:53.00 | robin_sz | nornagon: like this http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=pluge&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 12:53.07 | robin_sz | nornagon: no, 2% almost black |
| 12:53.14 | robin_sz | 0% is balck |
| 12:53.18 | robin_sz | 100% is white |
| 12:53.28 | robin_sz | pluge :) |
| 12:53.35 | mhall | and my average course grade would be dark gray |
| 12:53.39 | nornagon | right :) |
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| 12:54.13 | nornagon | well, in that picture, all the strips are visible. |
| 12:54.13 | robin_sz | actually, analogue pluge has a -2% bar as well, but you can't do that in a GIF image :) |
| 12:54.15 | ThePiratemaster | hey all, in the webmin miniserv.conf, how do i seperate the ipadress in the "allow=" line? |
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| 12:54.30 | robin_sz | nornagon: yes its "lifted" brightness up to show you |
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| 12:54.37 | nornagon | oh. |
| 12:54.54 | mhall | robin_sz: does this come from the issue of TVs and theatre screens not having black being truly black or ... |
| 12:55.00 | robin_sz | only the thin RH strip should be visible, and the white grey blocks |
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| 12:55.25 | visik7 | hi |
| 12:55.26 | robin_sz | mhall: its related to that |
| 12:55.43 | mhall | robin_sz: i was going to say, -2% seemed like a sick twisted thing to do |
| 12:55.55 | robin_sz | yeah |
| 12:56.03 | mhall | robin_sz: almost as pathological as my shitty attitude |
| 12:56.03 | visik7 | firefox-1.5.dfsg-3 hangs on flash pages |
| 12:56.10 | mhall | Eulex: that's not weird |
| 12:56.14 | robin_sz | mhall: you are supposed to check you can see the +2% and not the -2% |
| 12:56.29 | mhall | Eulex: the gamma of tfts apparently is related to the viewing ange |
| 12:56.34 | enveezee | visik7: hi, this is #debian on irc.freenode.net, not http://bugs.debian.org |
| 12:56.41 | nornagon | okay, so I tried using that method |
| 12:57.08 | nornagon | if I set the contrast control (brightness) to 100, I can just make out the 2% |
| 12:57.12 | mhall | visik7: your problem is that you are blaming open source software for the failings of proprietary software with no source code |
| 12:57.18 | nornagon | but every other color is washed out |
| 12:57.21 | Eulex | mhall, ok. just thought it was strange that it just happened to the lightest colors |
| 12:57.25 | ThePiratemaster | in the webmin miniserv.conf, how do i seperate the ipadress in the "allow=" line? |
| 12:57.26 | mhall | visik7: please try using mozilla instead; apparently this works |
| 12:57.30 | robin_sz | nornagon: so turn down the backlight |
| 12:57.40 | nornagon | robin_sz: turned backlight to 0, no difference |
| 12:57.47 | robin_sz | well, sounds fualty then |
| 12:57.50 | robin_sz | skip it. |
| 12:57.57 | visik7 | mhall: but it's a know problem ? 'couse on google I didn't find anything |
| 12:58.01 | mhall | visik7: and please encourage macromedia to quit being a bunch of cock-knocking shitheaded talentless ass-clowning hacks |
| 12:58.09 | nornagon | just slightly darker washed-out colors |
| 12:58.13 | nornagon | skip it? |
| 12:58.14 | mhall | visik7: the flash plugin never works that well in general |
| 12:58.25 | mhall | visik7: because it's not a well written piece of code |
| 12:58.32 | nornagon | anyway, the ati control panel in windows manages to fix it well enough |
| 12:58.32 | rendi | gees how to change /apache2-default to root dir (/var/www) ? |
| 12:58.34 | visik7 | yes but with 1.0.7 I've no particular problems |
| 12:58.44 | mhall | visik7: sometimes it causes my firefox to go into infinite loops if i open too many flashes at once |
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| 12:58.57 | mhall | visik7: there are some free reimplementations that are coming along |
| 12:59.24 | mhall | visik7: meanwhile complain to the poopdicks at macromedia |
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| 12:59.30 | enveezee | heh |
| 12:59.36 | mhall | enveezee: yes? |
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| 12:59.52 | enveezee | Macromedia attn: Poopdicks |
| 13:00.04 | enveezee | I could see the secretary getting this letter |
| 13:00.04 | robin_sz | nornagon: read this: http://www.thx.com/mod/products/dvd/brightness.html |
| 13:00.18 | mhall | enveezee: would shitheels work better |
| 13:00.24 | mhall | enveezee: or miserable failure |
| 13:00.30 | mhall | enveezee: or talentless hack |
| 13:00.45 | enveezee | shockwave is just as bad if not worse |
| 13:01.07 | enveezee | we just dont have to hear about it because it only runs on windows |
| 13:01.09 | mhall | enveezee: those who lubelessly fornicate with large software development corporations |
| 13:01.17 | mhall | robin_sz: your mom's not bored though ;-) |
| 13:02.09 | mhall | enveezee: i'm not following |
| 13:02.10 | mhall | enveezee: it doesn't only run on windows |
| 13:02.10 | robin_sz | mhall: indeed. |
| 13:02.10 | enveezee | what other OS does it run on? |
| 13:02.10 | nornagon | robin_sz: fix my problems, then ^^ |
| 13:02.12 | visik7 | mhall: can u tell me a name of one reimplementation? |
| 13:02.15 | mhall | enveezee: oops i thought you mean flash |
| 13:02.25 | robin_sz | mhall: of all my occupations, the playing with multi-kilowatt lasers is the most fun one :) |
| 13:02.37 | enveezee | mhall: for a minute there I thought you were mwilson in disguise |
| 13:02.45 | mhall | visik7: pt-cache search flash | grep flash |
| 13:03.00 | mhall | enveezee: yeah i unspaced out and figured out you meant shockwave |
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| 13:03.14 | mhall | enveezee: you are right there; think it's only win + mac |
| 13:03.16 | ThePiratemaster | what is the right way to seperate 2 entries on the same line in most configuration files such as: "allow=127.0.0.1<separed by ???>192.168.1.2" |
| 13:03.28 | mhall | enveezee: which is fucked up because linux turns out to apparently be more popular than mac |
| 13:03.28 | enveezee | mhall: I didnt know it would even run on MacOSX |
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| 13:03.40 | SR|Brunelleschi | what's the recommended automake version? |
| 13:03.41 | enveezee | I thought it was windows only |
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| 13:03.50 | mhall | enveezee: just not more popular among the mindless consumer population that buys what it is that is to be peddled |
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| 13:04.01 | mhall | robin_sz: yeah that is pretty sweet |
| 13:04.01 | nornagon | SR|Brunelleschi: none <g> |
| 13:04.07 | SR|Brunelleschi | heh |
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| 13:04.23 | mhall | robin_sz: did you ever fuck around with a lasercam machine |
| 13:04.23 | everton137 | Hi, I'm trying to creat initrd file after compile kernel 2.6.14.4, but for some strange reason mkinitrd is NOT find /lib/modules/2.6.14.4/kernel/drivers/acpi. What should I do? |
| 13:04.40 | SR|Brunelleschi | nornagon, I'm trying to compile librxtx-java |
| 13:04.42 | Eulex | !wayc everton137 |
| 13:04.42 | dpkg | everton137: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 13:04.48 | SR|Brunelleschi | nornagon, and it needs automake |
| 13:04.52 | mhall | everton137: i thought you were to use yaird on new 2.6.xx |
| 13:04.54 | SR|Brunelleschi | and I'm on debian etch/amd64 |
| 13:05.45 | nornagon | SR|Brunelleschi: sorry, I've got no idea - I'm mainly a scripting language guy. |
| 13:05.50 | everton137 | dpkg, because I am having troubles with USB. When I plug mplayer, it is not being recognize, then I think its because some conflict. So I decided compile a new kernel |
| 13:05.50 | dpkg | everton137: what are you talking about? |
| 13:05.51 | robin_sz | mhall: lasercam? |
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| 13:06.01 | mhall | robin_sz: one of my buds built a little gas laser by heating and forming a glass piece and drawing a vacuum and sealing in some helium or something |
| 13:06.11 | NewBie | Hi there, i installed linux debian sarge on my pc, but theres no GUI! |
| 13:06.16 | mhall | robin_sz: and he tried it out with his professor using their power supply |
| 13:06.17 | Eulex | SR|Brunelleschi, complain to upstream. they should put generated ./configure in the releases. |
| 13:06.22 | mhall | robin_sz: and they didn't figure it'd do much |
| 13:06.24 | Eulex | NewBie, then install one |
| 13:06.25 | everton137 | mhall, whats yaird? |
| 13:06.26 | NewBie | I had 2.4 but changed it to 2.6 |
| 13:06.37 | ThePiratemaster | newbie: install one if you want one |
| 13:06.42 | mhall | robin_sz: but it shined across the room and trashed a 10,000 dollar optical converter |
| 13:06.44 | robin_sz | mhall: Oh I have gas laers they are fairly tricky to get running .. mirror alignment and all that |
| 13:06.44 | NewBie | I need kde |
| 13:06.47 | NewBie | How do i do that |
| 13:06.51 | robin_sz | heh |
| 13:06.52 | everton137 | dpkg, I dint understand, why ust apt-get? I need compile kernel, no? |
| 13:06.54 | NewBie | Net install wise |
| 13:06.54 | enveezee | heh |
| 13:06.56 | mhall | robin_sz: yeah this was a little ghetto gadget |
| 13:07.04 | Eulex | everton137, why? |
| 13:07.05 | SR|Brunelleschi | Eulex, oh, it has one, but I could have sworn it said to run "./autogen.sh" first? |
| 13:07.05 | ThePiratemaster | newbie: install it |
| 13:07.10 | mhall | robin_sz: as you can tell from what it did |
| 13:07.12 | enveezee | NewBie: once you install, you will reboot and it will run base-config automatically... |
| 13:07.13 | NewBie | Tell he how |
| 13:07.21 | mhall | robin_sz: a lasercam is a pretty sweet piece of shit |
| 13:07.25 | NewBie | Please |
| 13:07.26 | NewBie | lol |
| 13:07.28 | Eulex | SR|Brunelleschi, you don't need to if there is a ./configure |
| 13:07.29 | robin_sz | mhall: what does it do? |
| 13:07.31 | mhall | everton137: it's apparently supposed to replace mkinitrd |
| 13:07.33 | Eulex | NewBie, apt-get it |
| 13:07.35 | NewBie | I am a newbie to this |
| 13:07.44 | NewBie | apt-get install kde? |
| 13:07.45 | enveezee | NewBie: after configuring apt in base config you will see the tasksel screen, and you can just choose "desktop system" |
| 13:07.45 | everton137 | Eulex, I dont know. In another IRC channel people were helping then they said it was wrothy compile kernel |
| 13:07.49 | NewBie | kde-desktop |
| 13:07.50 | NewBie | ? |
| 13:07.55 | everton137 | mhall, I didnt know it |
| 13:07.58 | ThePiratemaster | newbie: type "apitude" and yuo will get to a menubased interface |
| 13:08.00 | mhall | robin_sz: well it's a laser, of course, attached to some very precise .0001 inch step motors in X and Y |
| 13:08.02 | Eulex | everton137, what kernel are you on now? |
| 13:08.02 | everton137 | mhall, I will look about it |
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| 13:08.10 | robin_sz | mhall: yes.. I have that |
| 13:08.12 | mhall | everton137: yeah it's very new but i think it might solve your problem |
| 13:08.12 | everton137 | Eulex, 2.6.13 |
| 13:08.17 | NewBie | I had the option of installing a desktop system |
| 13:08.20 | NewBie | I clicked yes |
| 13:08.26 | ThePiratemaster | then press "/" to use a search function to find kde |
| 13:08.26 | NewBie | In downloaded and installed |
| 13:08.29 | NewBie | it* |
| 13:08.35 | enveezee | NewBie: then its installed already. |
| 13:08.40 | ThePiratemaster | apt-get will take care of dependencies |
| 13:08.41 | everton137 | mhall, do you know if I need some chnage on grub file? |
| 13:08.45 | NewBie | How do i run it? |
| 13:08.53 | Eulex | everton137, you only need to compile a kernel if you need to apply patches or enable something that ain't enabled in the stock debian kernels -- and most stuff *is* enabled in the debian stock ones. |
| 13:08.53 | enveezee | NewBie: desktop system, installs all of kde, including the kitchensync |
| 13:08.55 | mhall | robin_sz: so you can program it and get it to take care of all kinds of stuff, from etching to cutting, on just about anything up to 2 inches thick and not overly reflective |
| 13:09.07 | mhall | robin_sz: always wondered what'd happen if you lasercammed a mirror |
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| 13:09.15 | mhall | robin_sz: what do you supposed it would do |
| 13:09.15 | robin_sz | mhall: I have 2 axis lasers up to 2.5m x 1.25m ... http://www.rapidcut.co.uk/ |
| 13:09.19 | goccia | NewBie: try kde-core kdm , later if you like it install the full kde |
| 13:09.24 | enveezee | NewBie: use the session button/menu in the login manager to choose kde when you login instead of gnome |
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| 13:09.31 | mhall | robin_sz: hehe that's awesome |
| 13:09.45 | robin_sz | mhall: a mirror? depends. with a CO2 gas laser, it would metl the glass |
| 13:09.51 | robin_sz | melt |
| 13:10.01 | Eulex | everton137, otherwise, it's not worth it to compile a kernel. |
| 13:10.03 | NewBie | I have no GUI enveezee |
| 13:10.05 | everton137 | Eulex, but I am having troubles with a USB mplayer. it is not being recognize, I think usb mass storage is with conflict with some other module, then I decide compile. what do you think? |
| 13:10.12 | mhall | robin_sz: lysdexics have more fnu |
| 13:10.17 | NewBie | Not even the kde and gnome login screen option |
| 13:10.25 | robin_sz | mhall: most mirrors for laser work are copper or gold, lenses are Zinc Selenide for C02 wavelenghts |
| 13:10.26 | NewBie | It's in a black console window |
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| 13:10.34 | NewBie | Just asked me for my username and pass |
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| 13:10.45 | NewBie | The comands kde-core and kdm failed |
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| 13:10.47 | mhall | robin_sz: so the glass absorbs certain laser light too well and melts |
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| 13:10.52 | Eulex | everton137, are you having trouble with it on the 2.6.13 kernel you compiled yourself? well, though luck. |
| 13:10.54 | robin_sz | mhall: glass just melts. goes all gloops, glows and then melts out ... |
| 13:11.01 | ThePiratemaster | newbie, what steps did u take to install it? |
| 13:11.01 | everton137 | Eulex, when I plug it and, for example, type lsusb, terminal stops |
| 13:11.07 | ThePiratemaster | the gui i mean |
| 13:11.08 | enveezee | NewBie: you are going to have to stop, put it in reverse and go back a few steps |
| 13:11.12 | mhall | robin_sz: the other thing i could see happening would be that you etch the metal silvering on the back of the mirror |
| 13:11.14 | robin_sz | mhall: I know this. and Ihave the windows to prove it. |
| 13:11.18 | Eulex | everton137, on what kernel? |
| 13:11.22 | enveezee | ThePiratemaster: he said he choose desktop system in tasksel |
| 13:11.24 | everton137 | Eulex, yeap, I compile 2.6.13. For this I decided do another one |
| 13:11.32 | mhall | robin_sz: ah, things didn't get aimed quite right? |
| 13:11.35 | everton137 | Eulex, troubles on .13 |
| 13:11.40 | robin_sz | mhall: depnds onthe power level, but at 400W+ it would vaporize I think |
| 13:11.41 | NewBie | enveezee, please explain |
| 13:11.46 | NewBie | How can i go back :S |
| 13:11.47 | Eulex | everton137, go try a stock one. if you compile your own, you *are* on your own. |
| 13:11.47 | enveezee | NewBie: back to before you installed debian and start from the beginning, what you d/l what you burned.. what you did. |
| 13:11.53 | robin_sz | mhall: no they got aimed just right :) |
| 13:11.57 | mhall | robin_sz: i heard some plastics get real toxic if you cut em with lasers-- fumes or something |
| 13:12.05 | robin_sz | mhall: thats correct |
| 13:12.08 | mhall | robin_sz: just right for doing the wrong thing? |
| 13:12.16 | everton137 | Eulex, ok :D |
| 13:12.29 | enveezee | NewBie: because for you to be sitting at a console aftr choosing desktop system, you either misconfigured X or you didnt install an official copy of debian sarge |
| 13:12.30 | robin_sz | mhall: just right for seeing if the window would melt :) .. |
| 13:12.33 | mhall | robin_sz: lol |
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| 13:12.46 | mhall | robin_sz: yes one of my dad's friends was really good at chemistry |
| 13:13.02 | mhall | robin_sz: so he always fucked around in class after his labs were done |
| 13:13.02 | NewBie | enveezee, how can i get back in to the config? |
| 13:13.08 | enveezee | NewBie: if you misconfigured X you would know it, as it would tell you it couldnt start X and you would have gotten a message from your login manager to see debugging info |
| 13:13.15 | robin_sz | mhall: I can also tell you it is possible to set fire doors alight, that breeze block/concrete block can be drilled through and cows at 400m can feel the heat. |
| 13:13.21 | mhall | robin_sz: one time he asked the teacher if he could try a recipe for tnt he got from a chemical formulary text |
| 13:13.28 | robin_sz | uh huh |
| 13:13.32 | everton137 | Eulex, but the problem I asked 1st was mkinitird wasnt findin a module it should find. But someone said about yaird. I will try it ; ) |
| 13:13.41 | everton137 | thanks all help |
| 13:13.44 | enveezee | NewBie: if the server is misconfigured you would surely want to read the log at /var/log/XFree86.0.log before reconfiguring to see what the problem is |
| 13:13.49 | goccia | NewBie: kde-core kdm is not a command : apt-get install kde-core kdm will install a core kde desktop where kdm is a gui login like gnome gdm |
| 13:13.52 | NewBie | It don't say nothing about xserver having a problem :S |
| 13:13.55 | mhall | robin_sz: and the teacher said, that's impossible, you won't get it right because of the temperature complexity of the recipe |
| 13:13.57 | enveezee | NewBie: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:14.05 | robin_sz | mhall: did it go "boom"? |
| 13:14.07 | Eulex | everton137, are you at least basing your .config on the debian 2.6.14 .config? |
| 13:14.09 | mhall | robin_sz: so he let them try the recipe just to prove it would fail |
| 13:14.18 | mhall | robin_sz: and they made it, so they wanted to test |
| 13:14.20 | everton137 | Eulex, I am |
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| 13:14.26 | mhall | robin_sz: he knew it'd fail so he let them test |
| 13:14.38 | mhall | robin_sz: and the shock wave blew out all the windows in the science wing |
| 13:14.41 | ThePiratemaster | what is the right way to seperate 2 entries on the same line in most configuration files such as: "allow=127.0.0.1<separed by ???>192.168.1.2" |
| 13:14.41 | everton137 | Eulex, make oldconfig after copy configure file of .13 |
| 13:14.43 | nornagon | :P |
| 13:14.48 | mhall | robin_sz: but the teacher had tenure and stood up for them |
| 13:15.00 | mhall | robin_sz: and it was a long time ago before terrorism, etc. |
| 13:15.02 | nornagon | ThePiratemaster: try , |
| 13:15.05 | everton137 | Eulex, then I removed some unecessary USB modules |
| 13:15.08 | mhall | robin_sz: so it wasn't too big of a deal in the end |
| 13:15.11 | Eulex | everton137, hmm, ok. |
| 13:15.13 | NewBie | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 13:15.15 | NewBie | failed |
| 13:15.22 | ThePiratemaster | tnx norganon |
| 13:15.24 | enveezee | NewBie: check to see if the packages were installed. dpkg -l | egrep ^.i | less, will show you all installed packages so you could see if there is a login manager like xdm,gdm,kdm,wdm and if xserver packages are present...etc |
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| 13:15.28 | everton137 | Eulex, let me try yaird. Cya |
| 13:15.32 | nornagon | try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, NewBie? |
| 13:16.01 | mhall | robin_sz: i've always dreamed of trying to make some plastic explosive |
| 13:16.02 | NewBie | also failed |
| 13:16.14 | nornagon | apt-get install x-window-system ? |
| 13:16.20 | mhall | robin_sz: i heard you can make a quite horrifying explosion with a mere pound or two |
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| 13:16.35 | mhall | robin_sz: say enough to destroy pretty much an entire car or truck |
| 13:16.38 | NewBie | nornagon, will that be kde? |
| 13:16.43 | enveezee | NewBie: it sounds to me like you may have misconfigured quite a few things |
| 13:16.47 | nornagon | NewBie: no. |
| 13:16.56 | enveezee | NewBie: apt-get install kde, will get _all_ of kde |
| 13:16.58 | NewBie | Kde is what i mainly need lol |
| 13:17.04 | nornagon | NewBie: if you want kde, apt-get install kde :P |
| 13:17.05 | robin_sz | mhall: fun to try, but the authorities dont liek amateur explosives experiments these days |
| 13:17.14 | mhall | enveezee: you know dpkg --get-selections is lots faster right |
| 13:17.30 | mhall | robin_sz: yeah that's mos. def. true |
| 13:17.39 | NewBie | Downloading it |
| 13:17.43 | robin_sz | mhall: just search for RDX on the web, its easy enough to do, with failryl common precursors. send us a leter from jail :) |
| 13:17.49 | mhall | robin_sz: and nobody would support you using the second amendment for any useful purpose anymore |
| 13:17.49 | enveezee | mhall: well I am not on a debian box right now.. normally I am able to test things |
| 13:18.02 | mhall | robin_sz: haha sweet i'll have to try it when i get a chance |
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| 13:18.21 | Eulex | NewBie, you need X too. |
| 13:18.28 | mhall | enveezee: yeah just thought i'd add it to your lexicon |
| 13:18.35 | ThePiratemaster | Xfree86 |
| 13:18.48 | mhall | enveezee: i use it along with scary awk hacks to solve a pretty impressive array of problems |
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| 13:19.12 | mhall | robin_sz: so are you an employee or is this your enterprise |
| 13:19.13 | NewBie | Eulex, what should i do, apt-get kde is running |
| 13:19.14 | enveezee | mhall: I hate that you have to do that.. dpkg stuff isnt in a standard list format that can be easily cut |
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| 13:19.17 | robin_sz | just dont buy the hexamine and the nitric acid from the same supply house :) |
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| 13:19.25 | ThePiratemaster | webmin keeps giving me "Error - Access denied for 192.168.1.2" for soem reason, 192.168.1.2 is allowed and ssl is on, any idea what could be wrong? |
| 13:19.33 | robin_sz | mhall: rapidcut? thats mine. |
| 13:19.40 | NewBie | apt-get install kde* |
| 13:19.50 | NewBie | Can i get x after that? |
| 13:20.08 | mhall | robin_sz: that's awesome |
| 13:20.15 | Eulex | NewBie, sudo apt-get install x-window-system |
| 13:20.29 | mhall | robin_sz: btw you might want to do a little spell checking when you have the chance |
| 13:20.34 | ThePiratemaster | newbie, keep yuor etyes on the screen. it may want to ask yuo to install it |
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| 13:20.34 | goccia | NewBie: apt-get -s whatever will simulate , so you can see by yourself |
| 13:20.45 | robin_sz | mhall: no required :) |
| 13:20.47 | NewBie | Eulex, can i do that after kde comes? |
| 13:20.52 | Eulex | NewBie, yes. |
| 13:20.58 | NewBie | Good, thanks ta |
| 13:21.08 | mhall | robin_sz: nett might do better with one less 't' |
| 13:21.11 | feet | can anyone help me with shell scripting? |
| 13:21.21 | robin_sz | mhall: checking ... |
| 13:21.31 | s_grace6u | can anyone help me with shell scripting? |
| 13:21.55 | robin_sz | mhall: incorrect. it has the correct amount of 't's |
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| 13:22.12 | mhall | robin_sz: hmm that's pretty fascinating |
| 13:22.19 | mhall | robin_sz: i've never seen that spelling before |
| 13:22.27 | enveezee | looks like the gift-ares plugin is fully functional now |
| 13:22.37 | robin_sz | mhall: net (internet, fishing net) , nett (nett weight, nett result) |
| 13:22.38 | mhall | robin_sz: must be a yankee bastardization |
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| 13:22.41 | enveezee | its whats returning the most results on my dad's windows box |
| 13:22.51 | mhall | robin_sz: here all net's have a single 't' |
| 13:22.58 | robin_sz | here is where? |
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| 13:23.02 | mhall | robin_sz: ca.us |
| 13:23.11 | robin_sz | oh in the UK its not so. |
| 13:23.27 | mhall | robin_sz: yes i knew most of the differences but that one is new to me |
| 13:23.53 | nornagon | hrm, is there a bash_completion file for bzr? |
| 13:23.53 | mhall | robin_sz: the idea of using your stuff to make boats strikes a chord |
| 13:24.13 | mhall | robin_sz: i spend a lot of my time repairing them and am building a sailboat at the moment |
| 13:24.17 | Tortel | whats the /dev for a usb disk? |
| 13:24.18 | robin_sz | nett |
| 13:24.19 | robin_sz | adj : remaining after all deductions; "net profit" [syn: net] [ant: gross] v : catch with a net; "net a fish" [syn: net] |
| 13:24.19 | robin_sz | Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University |
| 13:24.34 | mhall | robin_sz: i bet you could make some seriously cool shit using your boats |
| 13:25.00 | mhall | robin_sz: yeah looks like the yankee dictionary prefers a single t but allows two |
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| 13:25.28 | robin_sz | yeah, well, over here, its always nett for that "end result" thing |
| 13:25.28 | mhall | robin_sz: makes sense; the majority of british spellings are tacitly accepted if you have a full-on unabridged tome |
| 13:25.43 | Eulex | Tortel, depends. do fdisk -l to see what it is. |
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| 13:26.06 | mhall | robin_sz: so with the cost of the machines you use, how did you start your operation? |
| 13:26.19 | mhall | robin_sz: from what i know these cost 100,000 usd apiece |
| 13:26.42 | robin_sz | mhall: long story ... the laser was 250K GBP new in 1998, I got it for "less" ;) |
| 13:26.49 | ThePiratemaster | narnagon, are yuo sire its a ","? |
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| 13:27.11 | ThePiratemaster | *sure |
| 13:27.17 | NewBie | You know the bad thing about linux, you can't play good games on it |
| 13:27.21 | mhall | robin_sz: fell off the back of a truck? |
| 13:27.24 | NewBie | Like command and conqure generals |
| 13:27.30 | ThePiratemaster | newby, do you know cedega? |
| 13:27.31 | mhall | robin_sz: btw 404 on http://www.rapidcut.co.uk/services/bending.html |
| 13:27.44 | NewBie | Nope |
| 13:27.44 | ThePiratemaster | www.cedega.com |
| 13:27.49 | robin_sz | mhall: no, just did a good deal, still many many thousands of pounds though |
| 13:27.58 | goccia | NewBie: i'm playing c&c right now :) |
| 13:28.03 | robin_sz | mhall: yeah, I know .. its "political" |
| 13:28.04 | Eulex | NewBie, that's not a problem with linux, it's a problem with that the makers don't support it. |
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| 13:28.07 | bizkit | what's the biggest chan on freenode? |
| 13:28.12 | mhall | robin_sz: also on http://www.rapidcut.co.uk/services/coating.html |
| 13:28.18 | mhall | bizkit: here afaik |
| 13:28.22 | NewBie | Oh, is that like wine? |
| 13:28.27 | robin_sz | mhall: OK, so its full of 404s ;) |
| 13:28.32 | ThePiratemaster | its an enhanced wine for gaming and directX applications |
| 13:28.39 | NewBie | Awesome |
| 13:28.39 | mhall | bizkit: if you are living dangerously try ... /list *gasp* |
| 13:28.53 | ThePiratemaster | if wanna pay for it :P |
| 13:29.03 | robin_sz | mhall: we have in house powder coating facilites .. now thats fun. |
| 13:29.05 | bizkit | mhall: that's why i asked ;-) |
| 13:29.07 | ThePiratemaster | i have a copy |
| 13:29.11 | ThePiratemaster | u want it? |
| 13:29.13 | NewBie | Aint there a free version of it? |
| 13:29.21 | NewBie | I would love to |
| 13:29.44 | jgould | mhall: Was it you that had S3 suspend working? |
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| 13:30.49 | mhall | jgould: I used suspend2 over at suspend2.net. |
| 13:31.09 | mhall | jgould: It works even if you don't have APM or ACPI and everybody I've heard from had good luck. |
| 13:31.24 | mhall | jgould: All you need is enough swap or space for a hibernate file. |
| 13:31.25 | AKX | Hey, how can I install libsdl-dev on a (mostly) stable dist system? It complains about version conflict (depends on libsdl1.2debian...-4.1, -5.3 is to be installed)? |
| 13:31.28 | NewBie | Would you send it via dcc or somthing? |
| 13:31.34 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 13:31.36 | ThePiratemaster | im doing it now |
| 13:31.42 | NewBie | Cool |
| 13:31.45 | NewBie | Ta |
| 13:31.45 | Shadowcat | suspend2 can cause serious problems if you don't know what you are doing |
| 13:31.57 | ThePiratemaster | np |
| 13:32.03 | mhall | Shadowcat: yeah that's why they wrote instructions ;-) |
| 13:32.08 | jgould | mhall: I was planning on rebuilding the kernel with suspend2 in it. |
| 13:32.15 | mhall | Shadowcat: but tell me what the problems are so i can avoid them |
| 13:32.15 | Shadowcat | mhall: the instructions are far from complete |
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| 13:32.27 | Shadowcat | mhall: but that'd take all the fun out of it |
| 13:32.28 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 13:32.49 | mhall | Shadowcat: but seriously what happened? don't make me start telling your mom jokes. :-D |
| 13:33.05 | Shadowcat | nah |
| 13:33.08 | Shadowcat | I'll let you find out on your own |
| 13:33.10 | Shadowcat | >:) |
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| 13:33.23 | ThePiratemaster | NewBie are yuo reading the personals messeges im sending? |
| 13:33.33 | mhall | then i'll let you find out on your own what i'm going to do to your mom |
| 13:33.38 | mithro | hi! how do you get apt to use a socks proxy? man apt.conf only really talks about http/ftp proxies |
| 13:33.55 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 13:34.00 | mhall | mithro: odd they really ought to allow it |
| 13:34.04 | Shadowcat | mithro: I would look into apt-proxy |
| 13:34.10 | NewBie | ThePiratemaster, i need to reg with nickserv |
| 13:34.15 | NewBie | It's blocking chat |
| 13:34.17 | NewBie | :( |
| 13:34.22 | Shadowcat | so register already |
| 13:34.23 | mhall | mithro: can you try setting whatever the canonical socks proxy environment variable is? |
| 13:34.26 | ThePiratemaster | ah okay |
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| 13:34.32 | ThePiratemaster | any other way i can send it |
| 13:34.34 | ThePiratemaster | its 11mb |
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| 13:35.05 | goccia | 11 ? |
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| 13:35.18 | goccia | c&c 101MB |
| 13:35.37 | ThePiratemaster | im not sending c&c |
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| 13:35.39 | mhall | ThePiratemaster newbie probably not the best shit to talk about in-channel btw. ;-) |
| 13:35.41 | goccia | ahh |
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| 13:36.15 | newbie44 | Is there somwhere i can download c&c generals from? lol |
| 13:36.19 | mhall | most of the people in here (more and more myself included) are awfully stallmanistic about proprietary software |
| 13:36.22 | goccia | hihihi |
| 13:36.22 | ThePiratemaster | yea i figured |
| 13:36.26 | newbie44 | ThePiratemaster, should work now |
| 13:36.27 | azeem | newbie44: wrong chan |
| 13:36.28 | ThePiratemaster | ll its not a warz channal |
| 13:36.30 | mhall | newbie44: ECHAN |
| 13:36.34 | newbie44 | lol azeem |
| 13:36.34 | Shadowcat | !warez |
| 13:36.35 | dpkg | i heard warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=275 or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 13:36.40 | mhall | ThePiratemaster: you started it :-D |
| 13:36.44 | newbie44 | azeem, it's wharf! |
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| 13:37.40 | newbie44 | Edale lol |
| 13:38.03 | newbie44 | ThePiratemaster, you re tryed? |
| 13:38.12 | Lorvija | hey, does anyone know if there's such tool which could "read" text from a picture and save it to normal text file? preferrably command line... |
| 13:38.25 | mhall | If you want the best w4r3z on the intarweb, please try warez.debian.net. |
| 13:38.27 | azeem | gocr? |
| 13:38.40 | Shadowcat | christ |
| 13:38.43 | programm | !sound |
| 13:38.44 | dpkg | it has been said that sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 13:38.54 | Shadowcat | will someone please tell my why antivirus vendors feel the need to skin their products |
| 13:38.57 | azeem | programm: please /msg the bot unless it has general relevance |
| 13:38.58 | stew | Lorvija: apt-cache search ocr, but don't expect stellar results |
| 13:39.11 | Shadowcat | I mean I want virus protection |
| 13:39.12 | goccia | Lorvija: strings ? |
| 13:39.15 | Shadowcat | not a mac os x look alike |
| 13:39.17 | programm | azeem, ok, sorry |
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| 13:39.30 | Lorvija | goccia well just some trivial cards which have text on it, nothing else |
| 13:39.43 | SevenIsPrime | !alsa for morons |
| 13:39.43 | dpkg | [alsa for morons] 1) remove all sound-related kernel modules 2) run alsaconf 3) disable all sound servers 4) hope, or echo -e "snd-your-module" >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 13:39.43 | Lorvija | stew okay thanks i'll check it out |
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| 13:40.00 | Shadowcat | ok |
| 13:40.03 | Shadowcat | msg the bloody bot |
| 13:40.03 | azeem | SevenIsPrime: please /msg the bot |
| 13:40.04 | mithro | hrm google doesn't seem to be giving me anything useful about getting apt to use a socks proxy |
| 13:40.11 | SevenIsPrime | azeem: sorry |
| 13:40.19 | mhall | mithro: that's craptacular |
| 13:40.34 | newbie44 | 3 mins left for the kde download |
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| 13:40.36 | stew | SevenIsPrime: you may be looking for "/msg dpkg alsa one-liner" as well |
| 13:40.36 | newbie44 | x next |
| 13:40.38 | George | ok |
| 13:40.41 | George | when I run dist-upgrade |
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| 13:40.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 13:40.53 | Shadowcat | George: are you running sid? |
| 13:40.56 | George | I get "Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs" |
| 13:41.03 | George | Shadowcat: no, this is sarge |
| 13:41.11 | Shadowcat | upgrading to? |
| 13:41.11 | SevenIsPrime | stew: Sorry, I just saw that nice "alsa for morons" tip and could not resist. I have no problems with alsa :) |
| 13:41.14 | George | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 |
| 13:41.19 | George | Shadowcat: still sarge |
| 13:41.22 | Shadowcat | you're upgrading within sarge? |
| 13:41.23 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 13:41.25 | Shadowcat | WTF did you do? |
| 13:41.28 | mhall | mithro: ok i found out how you do it |
| 13:41.38 | mhall | mithro: you use a socksifier library like dante |
| 13:41.42 | stew | George: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 13:41.43 | Shadowcat | I just upgraded my servers a few days ago |
| 13:41.45 | Shadowcat | works fine |
| 13:41.47 | goccia | mhall: is damn apache placeholder at warez.debian.net hahahah :)) |
| 13:42.04 | George | oh wait |
| 13:42.06 | ThePiratemaster | anyway, can i get some help with webmin? |
| 13:42.08 | mhall | mithro: which can in general make any sort of network apps use it |
| 13:42.14 | George | for some reason I've got testing in my sources.list |
| 13:42.14 | mhall | goccia: did you try nslookup? |
| 13:42.26 | stew | George: you are running sarge from before it was released |
| 13:42.29 | azeem | George: change that to sarge or stable |
| 13:42.31 | Shadowcat | you can't revert back to stable |
| 13:42.37 | stew | Shadowcat: he's not |
| 13:42.37 | Shadowcat | you're already on etch |
| 13:42.45 | Shadowcat | whether you like it or not |
| 13:42.50 | George | Shadowcat: I'm not, i'm on sarge |
| 13:42.50 | stew | Shadowcat: what makes you say he's on etch? |
| 13:42.57 | George | Shadowcat: 3.1 is sarge, right? |
| 13:43.02 | jgould | Yes |
| 13:43.03 | Shadowcat | George: you don't get it |
| 13:43.04 | SevenIsPrime | George: If you are on etch, you are screwed ATM |
| 13:43.11 | stew | Shadowcat: no, you don't get it |
| 13:43.13 | Shadowcat | your sources have been pointing at testing all this time |
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| 13:43.18 | broadcaster | ThePiratemaster: what's ur problem with webmin? |
| 13:43.19 | Shadowcat | if you upgraded even once |
| 13:43.19 | newbie44 | Even tho i got kde downloaded now, i will still need to do sudo apt-get install x-window-system |
| 13:43.22 | newbie44 | ? |
| 13:43.25 | azeem | dudes, he is /trying/ to upgrade to etch, but it doesn't work |
| 13:43.26 | Shadowcat | it would have pulled in etch packages |
| 13:43.31 | Shadowcat | in which case you *can't* revert |
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| 13:43.42 | mhall | goccia: i guarantee you'll get just the warez you want as fast as your hard disks can go >:-) |
| 13:43.49 | ThePiratemaster | i think its the config, i want to allow several selected ipaddresses to conenct to it |
| 13:43.52 | Shadowcat | azeem: I doubt this is his first dist-upgrade though |
| 13:43.58 | Shadowcat | if he's done it in the past |
| 13:44.00 | George | Shadowcat: it is actually ;) |
| 13:44.01 | ThePiratemaster | but i dont know how to do that |
| 13:44.01 | SevenIsPrime | George: Did you do an "apt-get update"? |
| 13:44.04 | mhall | unicode should have smilies |
| 13:44.11 | George | SevenIsPrime: yeah, just run update, now dist-upgrade |
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| 13:44.15 | George | this is the first dist-upgrade I've done |
| 13:44.15 | stew | Shadowcat: if it wasn't then he wouldn't be running e2fsprogs from before sarge |
| 13:44.19 | Shadowcat | apt-get upgrade / apt-get upgrade |
| 13:44.21 | Shadowcat | errer |
| 13:44.23 | ThePiratemaster | how i seperate the ipadresses in the "allow" line in the config |
| 13:44.23 | broadcaster | ThePiratemaster: logon to webmin from a client that is already allowed to do so. |
| 13:44.25 | Shadowcat | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:44.26 | goccia | mhall: hihihihih :) |
| 13:44.32 | mhall | goccia: :-D |
| 13:44.34 | Shadowcat | stew: ok then tell him to do what he said |
| 13:44.35 | broadcaster | ThePiratemaster: then you can change webmins config |
| 13:44.36 | Shadowcat | err |
| 13:44.37 | Shadowcat | you* |
| 13:44.40 | SevenIsPrime | George: It should have warned you about a gazillion packages being uninstalled, renewed, etc. |
| 13:44.50 | broadcaster | ThePiratemaster: easily and add single ip-addresses |
| 13:44.52 | George | SevenIsPrime: yeah |
| 13:44.53 | newbie44 | ThePiratemaster, you still about? |
| 13:44.57 | DJ-Marcuzz | Well, im trying to install my debian (with kernel 2.6) on my onboard Promise Fasttrack 100 Lite in RAID1, but it shows up as 2 disks, now the only info i can find is from 2001 and kernel 2.4, could someone help me to do it now in the year 2005 and kernel 2.6? |
| 13:45.02 | ThePiratemaster | tnx broadcaster, let me give it a try |
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| 13:45.17 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: that card isn't linux compatible |
| 13:45.24 | SevenIsPrime | DJ-Marcuzz: As far as I know, there is no hw-RAID support in Linux. |
| 13:45.27 | stew | Shadowcat: what? of course it is linux compatible |
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| 13:45.40 | SevenIsPrime | DJ-Marcuzz: use SW-Raid instead. |
| 13:45.42 | Shadowcat | stew: I had major problems with a fasttrack 100 card |
| 13:45.44 | Shadowcat | wait |
| 13:45.47 | Shadowcat | let me look it up |
| 13:45.56 | Shadowcat | I might be confusing it with another 100 card |
| 13:45.58 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: that isn't a hardware raid card, so the drives will show up separately |
| 13:46.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | well i foundthis info: http://bulma.net/body.phtml?nIdNoticia=1067&nIdPage=4, so it worked like 4 years ago :S |
| 13:46.39 | stew | SevenIsPrime: there is definately hw raid support in linux, that just isn't a hw raid card |
| 13:46.44 | DJ-Marcuzz | yeah i know abou that, but there should be some way to get is show up as an raid divice or as SCSI emulated |
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| 13:46.54 | mhall | time for bed |
| 13:46.56 | Shadowcat | nope I was right |
| 13:47.00 | SevenIsPrime | stew: Ok, my mistake then. |
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| 13:47.03 | mhall | i stayed up to 6 am |
| 13:47.04 | mhall | gnite all |
| 13:47.05 | Shadowcat | stew: what that card does it that it inserts it first in the boot order |
| 13:47.14 | SevenIsPrime | mhall: Nighty night |
| 13:47.17 | Shadowcat | so if you put grub on say an ide controller on the motherboard |
| 13:47.21 | newbie44 | Just downloaded kde and x window system |
| 13:47.24 | Shadowcat | it'll screw up the entire boot process |
| 13:47.25 | newbie44 | What should i do from there? |
| 13:47.29 | stew | !tell Shadowcat about enter |
| 13:47.37 | goccia | newbie44: install kdm |
| 13:47.39 | SevenIsPrime | newbie44: errm, how did you download it and from where? |
| 13:47.39 | azeem | newbie44: you should apt-get install it |
| 13:47.47 | Shadowcat | !beat stew |
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| 13:48.05 | DJ-Marcuzz | so well, how do i get it to show up an work as an raid array? |
| 13:48.15 | newbie44 | ok, thats the command to run the installer? not sure if i have that already |
| 13:48.35 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: first off, the Fastrak 100 series of promise cards are a pain to work with in Linux |
| 13:48.50 | Shadowcat | avoid them at all costs if possible |
| 13:48.59 | newbie44 | SevenIsPrime, from http, using apt-get install kde |
| 13:49.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | well this one is onboard :P |
| 13:49.05 | ThePiratemaster | tnx broadcast it worked :) |
| 13:49.10 | ThePiratemaster | even in lynx :P |
| 13:49.11 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: then you might have better luck |
| 13:49.12 | newbie44 | Got a crossover cable here |
| 13:49.15 | Shadowcat | mine was pci |
| 13:49.16 | goccia | newbie44: the installer ? you deserve a s/44/1/g at least :) |
| 13:49.17 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: you have to use software raid, google for the software raid howto |
| 13:49.21 | Shadowcat | and it kept screwing up the boot order |
| 13:49.24 | ThePiratemaster | is NewBie still in the channal? |
| 13:49.34 | newbie44 | Yea |
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| 13:49.41 | newbie44 | It's me! lol |
| 13:49.44 | ThePiratemaster | ah you are |
| 13:49.46 | broadcaster | when you open a cd from a kde-program, e.g. konqueror, it usually becomes very hard to unmount the cd, even if konqueror is closed. this problem seems to be very common... is there anything i can do about this? |
| 13:49.47 | newbie44 | :D |
| 13:49.50 | ThePiratemaster | can u receive yet? |
| 13:49.56 | newbie44 | Think so |
| 13:49.57 | DJ-Marcuzz | yeah but when i use software on 2 other chanels it will tak e extra time to boot becaus its goingto search for disks on the array |
| 13:50.06 | Shadowcat | broadcast: don't use konqueror to mount it? |
| 13:50.07 | DJ-Marcuzz | on the promise fasttrack |
| 13:50.20 | Shadowcat | DJ-Marcuzz: that card is a PITA |
| 13:50.20 | ThePiratemaster | there i sent |
| 13:50.23 | stew | broadcaster: use lsof or fuser to figure out what files on the cd are still open |
| 13:50.30 | broadcaster | Shadowcat: should i? |
| 13:50.38 | Shadowcat | broadcast: I don't |
| 13:50.42 | DJ-Marcuzz | pita? |
| 13:50.46 | newbie44 | Ityped in startx and it worked |
| 13:50.52 | Shadowcat | !pita |
| 13:50.52 | dpkg | methinks pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 13:50.58 | broadcaster | shadowcat: i usually mount from console, then use konqueror. i don't have the automounter running |
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| 13:51.38 | DJ-Marcuzz | owke, but even pain in the arse should work |
| 13:51.46 | stew | broadcaster: if it wouln't let you unmount, its because a file is still open somewhere in the mountpoint, use lsof or fuser to figure out what process has the file open and kill that process, then you will be able to umount |
| 13:51.56 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: yes, it should work no problems |
| 13:51.57 | Shadowcat | broadcast: I just don't use konqueror for accessing files |
| 13:52.05 | Shadowcat | not unless I need thumbnail view |
| 13:52.09 | broadcaster | stew: ok, now tell me how to explain THAT to my mom! |
| 13:52.20 | goccia | good point |
| 13:52.22 | stew | broadcaster: tell her "man lsof, n00b" |
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| 13:52.28 | Shadowcat | haha |
| 13:52.33 | broadcaster | stew: LOL |
| 13:53.05 | DJ-Marcuzz | but how, i have googled a lot and just find that older 2.4 suff, isn't there a module for 2.6 i can load of a floppy during install? |
| 13:53.17 | Shadowcat | it's in 2.6 |
| 13:53.24 | Shadowcat | but as I said |
| 13:53.30 | Shadowcat | that card is a PITA! Don't use it |
| 13:53.46 | ThePiratemaster | NewBie, any other way to send it? |
| 13:53.48 | Shadowcat | none of the lower end promise hardware is certified for Linux usage |
| 13:53.56 | Shadowcat | it might work or it might not work |
| 13:54.06 | stew | Shadowcat: please only hit enter at the end of a sentence, or remap your return key to a comma, which is what you seem to be using it for |
| 13:54.24 | azeem | ThePiratemaster, NewBie: please take this elsewhere |
| 13:54.31 | Shadowcat | stew: do me a favor |
| 13:54.35 | Shadowcat | stop telling me how to type |
| 13:54.55 | ThePiratemaster | yea you're right, illegal software isnt the place to discuss in a freesoftware channal :P |
| 13:55.04 | Shadowcat | my sentences are just the length they need to be thank you very much |
| 13:55.06 | stew | Shadowcat: no, its really annoying |
| 13:55.29 | ThePiratemaster | newbie, lets go to #gnu :P |
| 13:55.39 | DJ-Marcuzz | well i wanna see if it works but how, but in linux software raid the grub is installed only on the fists disk of an SW raid1? so when that disk crashes it won't boot from seccond i think, and how aboutwhen the system is running? |
| 13:55.49 | Shadowcat | stew: then write a script that concats it |
| 13:55.49 | George | dist-upgrade seems to be working |
| 13:55.58 | Shadowcat | I don't see anyone else BUT you bitching about it anyway |
| 13:56.00 | Shadowcat | get over it |
| 13:56.35 | programm | How can i get sound on Debian ? |
| 13:56.47 | faked | I want send emails in my lan with mailx, do I need for sending emails over lan an extra Packages therefore? |
| 13:56.49 | stew | programm: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 13:56.55 | Shadowcat | !tell programm about alsa one-liner |
| 13:56.59 | programm | ok |
| 13:57.02 | programm | thx |
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| 13:59.29 | tintamar | hy all i've got graphic card problems with X-window on my debian, it work only with 4 colors and 640*480 |
| 13:59.45 | Shadowcat | what card is it? |
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| 13:59.47 | tintamar | i've got a radeon 9200 |
| 13:59.56 | Shadowcat | oh wonderful, ATI hell |
| 13:59.58 | stew | tintamar: what driver are you using? |
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| 14:00.11 | Shadowcat | by the looks of it you're probably stuck in vesa |
| 14:00.11 | tintamar | when configuring X i tried to choose ati |
| 14:00.21 | Shadowcat | tintamar: you need a newer version of X |
| 14:00.42 | tintamar | it's a brand new install with a net-install cd |
| 14:00.47 | Shadowcat | I don't think the version of X in Sarge is new enough to support the 9xxx series of cards |
| 14:00.49 | stew | tintamar: the ati driver is the one you want. have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 14:00.55 | Shadowcat | tintamar: so? |
| 14:01.16 | Shadowcat | Sarge ships with xfree86 4.3 |
| 14:01.18 | tintamar | i tried to reconfigure the way i got graphics working is choosing vga |
| 14:01.22 | tintamar | and 4 colors |
| 14:01.31 | stew | tintamar: Shadowcat doesn't know what he is talking about. the ati driver in sarge even supports very good 3d support for 9200s |
| 14:01.38 | tintamar | if i choose ati it don't works |
| 14:01.48 | Shadowcat | stew: so why isn't he getting it working then? :P |
| 14:02.00 | stew | tintamar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and try again, then tell us what error you are getting |
| 14:02.29 | tintamar | ok will try, i'll be back util done |
| 14:02.36 | tintamar | until |
| 14:02.41 | paulswm | when |
| 14:03.24 | stew | Shadowcat: what makes you say that version in sarge doesn't support and of the 9xxx cards? |
| 14:03.41 | Eulex | tintamar, learn to use a console irc client |
| 14:03.50 | tintamar | in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, do i choose ati driver from the menu? |
| 14:03.58 | stew | tintamar: yeah |
| 14:04.14 | Eulex | Shadowcat, it does, but you don't get 3d acceleration |
| 14:04.15 | stew | tintamar: the ati driver will automatically detect that you have a radeon and use the radeon driver |
| 14:04.17 | George | how do I upgrade the kernel on sarge to something more recent than 2.6.8? |
| 14:04.24 | stew | Eulex: no, you get 3d accesseration with a 9200 |
| 14:04.28 | tintamar | he ask me for an id, i can put what ever i want there it's only a name? |
| 14:04.48 | Eulex | stew, yes, true. |
| 14:04.52 | Eulex | tintamar, pci id? |
| 14:04.55 | stew | tintamar: yeah, and unless you have more than one card, leave busid blank |
| 14:05.12 | tintamar | ok, i got only one |
| 14:05.14 | Shadowcat | George: you don't |
| 14:05.17 | Shadowcat | that's the simple answer |
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| 14:05.41 | George | Shadowcat: and why not? |
| 14:05.44 | stew | George: the 2.6.8 kernel in sarge was just released 2 weeks ago, its the most recent kerenl released by debian, afaik |
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| 14:05.53 | George | stew: ok |
| 14:06.01 | Shadowcat | stew: I think he wants to run something like 2.6.14 |
| 14:06.02 | stew | George: you other options are to install a kernel by hand from testing or unstable or to compile you yourself |
| 14:06.14 | Eulex | George, do you really need something newer than 2.6.8? |
| 14:06.17 | Shadowcat | which incidently, is the long answer |
| 14:06.28 | tintamar | he ask me for amount of ram in ko inside the video card know that i have 128megs , do i put 128000? |
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| 14:06.33 | Shadowcat | no |
| 14:06.35 | stew | tintamar: leave it blank |
| 14:06.35 | Shadowcat | leave that alone |
| 14:06.40 | tintamar | ok |
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| 14:07.11 | debugger | hello |
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| 14:07.42 | Sypher | hello everyone .... got a "strange" question here. i got 2 hard disks. 1 internal 4200rpm (notebook) and another one external, USB2 7200RPM ..... which one do u think its the fastest on data transfer? |
| 14:07.52 | Shadowcat | ummm |
| 14:07.59 | Shadowcat | the one that's connected via IDE |
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| 14:08.29 | asmCode | hi |
| 14:08.32 | stew | Sypher: the only way to know for sure is by testing each, bonnie++ will help you test |
| 14:08.45 | Sypher | bonnie++ ? |
| 14:08.58 | Sypher | never used that. is that a program? ^_^ |
| 14:08.59 | Shadowcat | IDE will beat USB 2.0 every time |
| 14:09.03 | tintamar | he ask me for colors depth, do i choose 16 or 24? |
| 14:09.13 | Shadowcat | why don't you just take the IDE hd out of the usb enclosure and put it in the box? |
| 14:09.14 | Sypher | Shadowcat, do u know whats the troughput of USB 2.0 ? |
| 14:09.16 | stew | Sypher: apt-cache show bonie++ |
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| 14:09.33 | stew | Shadowcat: ide will not beat usb2.0 every time |
| 14:09.52 | Shadowcat | stew: USB 2.0 requires a horrible amount of cpu usage for every transfer |
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| 14:10.00 | Sypher | my problem is actually ... a damn game, that is using a LOT of hard disk cuz i got no ram. but everytime it access to the disk, my whole damn computer freezes ... (notebook) ... so its kinda hard to play in that condition .. -.- |
| 14:10.01 | stew | Shadowcat: that's incorrect |
| 14:10.10 | Shadowcat | that alone makes it a real pain to use |
| 14:10.16 | Sypher | Shadowcat, omg is that true ? O_o never noticed that. |
| 14:10.28 | goccia | Sypher: what game ? |
| 14:10.28 | stew | Sypher: no, Shadowcat doesn't know what he is talking about |
| 14:10.34 | Shadowcat | Sypher: when given the choice between IDE and USB 2.0 |
| 14:10.36 | Shadowcat | choose IDE |
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| 14:10.48 | Eulex | tintamar, if you've got a reasonably modern gfx card it supports 24 bit and you should choose it. |
| 14:11.04 | Sypher | goccia, lineage2. |
| 14:11.22 | Sypher | Shadowcat, im trying everything i can cuz this damn hard disk is SOOOO damn slow. |
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| 14:11.33 | stew | Eulex: why on earth would you recommend an nvidia card over an ati? |
| 14:11.41 | Shadowcat | Sypher: how old is that notebook? |
| 14:11.44 | Sypher | hum |
| 14:11.48 | Sypher | 1 year max. ? |
| 14:11.49 | Shadowcat | and what are the game system requirements? |
| 14:11.51 | Eulex | stew, umh.... I did?? |
| 14:12.05 | Sypher | im on the minimum game requirement ... but the problem is the hard disk i can tell. |
| 14:12.22 | Sypher | freezes while loading the area zone, and that is 2 things. low ram, and hard disk speed. |
| 14:12.25 | Shadowcat | Sypher: umm then upgrade it to a 7200 IDE |
| 14:12.31 | Shadowcat | and/or get more ram |
| 14:12.35 | Sypher | yea |
| 14:12.44 | stew | Eulex: oh, nm, i misread what you typed. in any case, that card he has has greate open source support |
| 14:12.44 | Sypher | but no money to buy a new internal 7200 hard disk for a notebook :D |
| 14:12.45 | Shadowcat | you shouldn't be gaming on a laptop anyway |
| 14:12.50 | Sypher | that costs soo much |
| 14:12.57 | Shadowcat | so get a 5400 rpm one |
| 14:12.59 | Shadowcat | or more ram |
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| 14:13.02 | Sypher | Shadowcat, yea... but all the other pc's are linux ^_^ |
| 14:13.03 | Shadowcat | or deal with the lag |
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| 14:13.26 | Sypher | lol ... kk i will try ;) |
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| 14:13.30 | Sypher | thanks for the infoes everyone. |
| 14:13.45 | Eulex | stew, yep. |
| 14:13.50 | medialuna | hola |
| 14:13.55 | blondie | choo |
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| 14:14.14 | stew | tintamar: oh i missed your question, choose 24 |
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| 14:15.35 | Eulex | Sypher, more ram will do more than a better hd. |
| 14:15.54 | Sypher | Eulex, yep ... gimme the time to reach 10 of the month, and i will buy this laptop 2gb ... ^_^ |
| 14:15.57 | Shadowcat | in his case he needs both |
| 14:16.08 | Shadowcat | 4200 is just painful |
| 14:16.14 | Sypher | hahaha yea |
| 14:16.20 | Sypher | Shadowcat, u cant imagine ... ^_^ |
| 14:16.28 | Shadowcat | umm yes I can |
| 14:16.28 | Sypher | opening XCHAT = 30 seconds. |
| 14:16.29 | Eulex | Sypher, umh, how much have you got now? |
| 14:16.33 | Shadowcat | there's a reason I upgraded my laptop |
| 14:16.35 | Sypher | Eulex, 512 |
| 14:16.44 | stew | Sypher: which is why i think he should test the speed of his external drive. speed of usb2 is definately faster that the maximim transfer of any hard drive |
| 14:16.48 | Eulex | Sypher, hmm, shouldn't be *that* slow |
| 14:16.49 | stew | s/he/you/ |
| 14:17.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | euhm, well i think the promse thing is really a PITA, so i will go for the SW raid (RAID1), but how to set the bios then , so that when disk 1 failes it boots of disk2 (or wn't disk2 contain grub?) |
| 14:17.00 | SevenIsPrime | Hrmpf. Sarge is still on XFree86, not X.org. Now the question is: Do I change to "testing" (etch) in spite of the currently C++ dependency hell and hope for the best or do I go ahead, installing XFree86 and later upgrade to X.org? |
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| 14:17.05 | Sypher | Eulex, yea but ... its strange |
| 14:17.07 | Sypher | i dont know why |
| 14:17.09 | Sypher | but my laptop |
| 14:17.11 | Sypher | just FREEZES |
| 14:17.16 | Sypher | when something access the hard disk |
| 14:17.16 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 14:17.16 | tarzeau | SevenIsPrime: the later |
| 14:17.17 | Sypher | -.- |
| 14:17.21 | tarzeau | latter even |
| 14:17.23 | Shadowcat | Sypher you windows n00b |
| 14:17.25 | enveezee | SevenIsPrime: why do you want xorg? |
| 14:17.31 | tarzeau | SevenIsPrime: unless you have hardware that won't work without xorg |
| 14:17.31 | Shadowcat | how about installing your chipset drivers |
| 14:17.32 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, umh, why do you need X.org? |
| 14:17.38 | tarzeau | enveezee: he doesn't know |
| 14:17.39 | Shadowcat | $10 says that your hd is running in PIO4 mode |
| 14:17.39 | SevenIsPrime | enveezee: because of the license? |
| 14:17.39 | stew | Sypher: why not try bonnie++, or try using dd to copy a lot of /dev/zero to each drive and see which has a faster transfer rate? do you know how much memory is being used? |
| 14:17.41 | pumpkin0 | Sypher: do you have DMA enabled on the drive ? |
| 14:17.43 | tarzeau | enveezee: because it's hip |
| 14:17.51 | Shadowcat | pumpkin0: he most likely doesn't |
| 14:17.53 | Sypher | Shadowcat, what do u mean? |
| 14:17.56 | SevenIsPrime | If I got it right, XFree changed to some dubious licensing scheme? |
| 14:17.59 | enveezee | SevenIsPrime: there is nothing wrong with xfree's lisc |
| 14:18.08 | Shadowcat | pumpkin0: and I guess that just proves my point :) |
| 14:18.19 | SevenIsPrime | enveezee: The guys at X.org claim different. And indeed it has been changed in "testing". |
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| 14:18.23 | Sypher | wait |
| 14:18.23 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, debian still has the xfree with the good license. |
| 14:18.25 | Sypher | gonna check |
| 14:18.32 | enveezee | SevenIsPrime: notice the package name is ...xfree86-dfsg.... dfsg is debian free software guidelines |
| 14:18.37 | pumpkin0 | Sypher: cat /proc/ide/hda/settings => udma ? |
| 14:18.48 | Shadowcat | pumpkin0: he isn't in debian |
| 14:18.53 | Sypher | ye im on win |
| 14:18.56 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: But in Testing it is changed to X.org, isn't it? |
| 14:18.58 | Pedro420 | enveezee: Nandrew can u tell me nicks number ? |
| 14:19.01 | Eulex | enveezee, package version even |
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| 14:19.14 | enveezee | SevenIsPrime: debians is cool.. until etch releases, you become a developer testing code on x.org, or you have another specific need for it, you should keep xfree86 in sarge |
| 14:19.24 | pumpkin0 | Sypher: start = >settings => controll Panel => device Manger => disc => DMA ? |
| 14:19.24 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, yep. versions of xfree after 4.3 had a bad license. sarge has 4.3. |
| 14:19.34 | Shadowcat | pumpkin0: no |
| 14:19.34 | stew | Sypher: oh you aren't running debian? please leave this channel and join one more appropriate for your OS |
| 14:19.39 | enveezee | Pedro420: yeah I think I may have two numbers for him |
| 14:19.41 | Shadowcat | you got to click on the controller |
| 14:19.47 | Sypher | stew, i got debian on 3 pc |
| 14:19.59 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: Besides ... the new X.org (6.9) has some nice features. Finally, modularization ... |
| 14:19.59 | stew | Sypher: do you have a debian related question we can help you with? |
| 14:20.08 | enveezee | Pedro420: yeah I got a home and cell number for nick |
| 14:20.11 | Shadowcat | Sypher: if you want help with this go look if your hd is running in dma or not |
| 14:20.13 | Sypher | stew, my first question was os independent. |
| 14:20.14 | Sypher | :) |
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| 14:20.17 | Shadowcat | stew's already lost patience |
| 14:20.19 | enveezee | Pedro420: and work of course |
| 14:20.25 | Shadowcat | don't wait until I've lost mine as well |
| 14:20.25 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, no. 7.0 got modularization. and it's not anywhere in debian yet. |
| 14:20.33 | Sypher | Shadowcat, ye im doing, but im not so good with win anymore ^_^ |
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| 14:20.43 | Sypher | hdparm was so much easier ... :'( |
| 14:20.47 | Pedro420 | enveezee: cell will do |
| 14:20.50 | Shadowcat | Sypher: then learn |
| 14:20.52 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, testing and unstable has 6.8.2. experimental has 6.9rc3. |
| 14:21.09 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: Sorry, 7.0 has the modularization, 6.9 same features but traditional imake :) |
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| 14:21.20 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, yep. |
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| 14:21.28 | Eulex | !windows |
| 14:21.28 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 14:21.33 | Sypher | Shadowcat, yep its enabled. |
| 14:21.40 | Eulex | Sypher, ^^ |
| 14:21.44 | Shadowcat | Sypher: then get a new drive |
| 14:21.52 | Sypher | Shadowcat, 10 of the month ... ^_^ |
| 14:22.20 | enveezee | heh my factiods are always popular |
| 14:22.26 | enveezee | dpkg gates |
| 14:22.26 | dpkg | [gates] In a world of free software, there are no fences or walls. So who needs Gates and Windows? |
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| 14:22.46 | SevenIsPrime | Ok, suppose I stick with Sarge. How do I get up-to-date software, like firefox 1.5 and OpenOffice 2.0? Backports? |
| 14:22.47 | Eulex | !winxp |
| 14:22.47 | dpkg | i heard winxp is win2k with a 'my first sony' interface |
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| 14:23.06 | asmCode | hi, i have instal newest version of glib, but neither xmms nor gtk see it, what is the problrm? |
| 14:23.10 | Shadowcat | !eulex |
| 14:23.17 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, yes. why do you need firefox 1.5, btw? |
| 14:23.21 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 14:23.29 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: Quite a few security fixes. |
| 14:23.40 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, security fixes are backported |
| 14:23.46 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: Really? |
| 14:23.55 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, yes. |
| 14:24.01 | GregM | anyone played with misterhouse? |
| 14:24.03 | Eulex | Shadowcat, should make one. dunno what it should contain though |
| 14:24.15 | SevenIsPrime | Eulex: nice. Why not simply upgrade to 1.5 anyhow? I never quite understood that with debian stable. |
| 14:24.21 | tarzeau | did i already tell firefox is shit? |
| 14:24.32 | SevenIsPrime | tarzeau: *yawn* |
| 14:24.34 | Shadowcat | tarzeau wants IE for Linux |
| 14:24.38 | stew | SevenIsPrime: stable never gets new versions. that's the "stable" part, it only gets security patches |
| 14:24.55 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, 1.5 is still buggy. firefox in stable is mostly bug-free. |
| 14:25.03 | Shadowcat | hah |
| 14:25.09 | SevenIsPrime | stew: It is wonderful for production servers. But on desktop systems ... well ... it is a bit too hard. |
| 14:25.15 | Shadowcat | Eulex tarzeau is gonna blast you for that one |
| 14:25.23 | Shadowcat | SevenIsPrime: then don't run stable on a desktop |
| 14:25.25 | asmCode | would anybody help me? |
| 14:25.27 | Shadowcat | I most certainly don't |
| 14:25.32 | Sypher | <---- production server with unstable .... |
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| 14:25.43 | Sypher | <----- had to chat from work, didnt like old xchat version hihihihhihihi :D |
| 14:25.49 | SevenIsPrime | Shadowcat: What do you suggest running on a desktop then? Unstable? |
| 14:25.49 | Eulex | Shadowcat, I couldn't stand 1.5 because of the bugs. I downgraded to 1.0.7 again. |
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| 14:25.53 | stew | asmCode: tell us exactly what you are doing and exactly what error you are getting |
| 14:26.00 | Shadowcat | SevenIsPrime: I do that |
| 14:26.15 | ofer0 | I want to boot straight into the terminal, and then write "startx" and gnome will run. How to do it? |
| 14:26.16 | stew | SevenIsPrime: no, nobody in here should be suggesting unstable to anyone, testing maybe |
| 14:26.20 | Eulex | umh, SevenIsPrime, that was meant for you |
| 14:26.31 | stew | ofer0: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 14:26.38 | SevenIsPrime | Shadowcat: I have done that once. It worked fine for a looong while. But then teh glibc was changed and hell broke lose. |
| 14:26.52 | tarzeau | !seen chanop |
| 14:26.52 | dpkg | chanop <~Chan0P@Adsl-1772.externet.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 171d 3h 30m 40s ago, saying: 'if i try to connect to it'. |
| 14:27.11 | tarzeau | what happened to chanop? |
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| 14:27.28 | enveezee | who the hell is chanop |
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| 14:27.37 | ofer0 | stew: thank you but that is not my problem. I don't have a boot loader at all, I just don't know how to run gnome, since I don't have a boot manager. |
| 14:27.39 | tarzeau | enveezee: fontforge maintainer? |
| 14:27.41 | SevenIsPrime | But generally, "unstable" the debian way does not mean "buggy", it just means "versions change a lot in here", right? |
| 14:27.50 | enveezee | wtf is a fontforge |
| 14:27.59 | tarzeau | need that to build ttf-dejavu |
| 14:28.09 | stew | SevenIsPrime: yes, but the two go hand in hand |
| 14:28.10 | tarzeau | the better bitstream fonts |
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| 14:28.46 | stew | SevenIsPrime: unstable is allowed to get updates that might make large amounts of other packages unusable. this is not allowed in testing or stable |
| 14:28.52 | tarzeau | enveezee: heh, i've been to the gnome mall twice, red dragon fried me |
| 14:28.55 | SevenIsPrime | stew: So what do I run on a notebook desktop? And don't say "kubuntu" or something like Suse please :) |
| 14:29.03 | tarzeau | watch the dragons ;) |
| 14:29.08 | tarzeau | Eulex, takatumi bubble? |
| 14:29.24 | stew | SevenIsPrime: testing |
| 14:29.27 | SevenIsPrime | stew: That's why I used tsting. But it is not true. The C++ update causes quite some problems |
| 14:29.58 | tarzeau | SevenIsPrime: only if you use software written in c++ |
| 14:30.06 | tarzeau | SevenIsPrime: i use sid, no problems at all (mostly) |
| 14:30.25 | stew | SevenIsPrime: yes, testing gets broken from time to time, you should be watching what it is upgrading and using apt-listbugs, |
| 14:30.27 | tarzeau | stew: and that's just not true |
| 14:30.30 | SevenIsPrime | tarzeau: Well, I like KDE and that is C++. |
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| 14:31.00 | stew | tarzeau: yes, i take back my statement about testing preventing upgrades from breaking other stuff |
| 14:31.09 | tarzeau | stew: large amounts of packages can get easily unusable in testing as well |
| 14:31.15 | Eulex | SevenIsPrime, kde is teh b0rk in testing right now. |
| 14:31.31 | stew | SevenIsPrime: if you can't deal with the occasional brokenness of testing, then you want sarge + backports, or ubuntu |
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| 14:31.52 | asmCode | stew: this is the error: 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.8.4, but GLIB (2.6.4) was found!! |
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| 14:32.10 | SevenIsPrime | stew: Ubuntu is the last thing I want. They have totally screwed up the "root"/"user" concept. |
| 14:32.11 | asmCode | stew: when i trying to confogure gtk |
| 14:32.12 | Pedro420 | enveezee:nandrew can u do me a favor ? |
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| 14:32.44 | Eulex | asmCode, when running exactly what command? |
| 14:32.56 | stew | asmCode: what does "apt-cache policy libglib2.0-dev" say for Installed: and Candidate: ? |
| 14:33.11 | _daniel_ | anyone knows how to eject an ipod on linux ? |
| 14:33.13 | asmCode | Eulex: ./configure |
| 14:33.26 | Eulex | !wayc asmCode |
| 14:33.26 | dpkg | asmCode: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 14:33.47 | PhoneGuy | http://www.hwpr0n.se/ - Girls with Hardware Equipment |
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| 14:34.07 | asmCode | dpkg: beucase apt-get either don find this package, or say, that i have newest wersion |
| 14:34.12 | stew | SevenIsPrime: i somehow doubt they have screwed it up, or whatever they might have done is probably simply revertable |
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| 14:34.34 | stew | asmCode: which package? which version? did you try my apt-cache policy command? |
| 14:34.35 | Eulex | asmCode, doesn't find what package? |
| 14:34.52 | erikyy2 | hi. i installed "kde" on debian etch. but he has no kde session in gdm and not in kdm. why? how can i add it? |
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| 14:35.03 | stew | wow is kde installable on etch again? |
| 14:35.05 | SevenIsPrime | stew: here is a nice quote: ""Enabling the root account: This is not recommended! It will break all the GUI admin tools" |
| 14:35.17 | erikyy2 | stew: dunno. am just tryin |
| 14:35.21 | SevenIsPrime | stew: So much for "revertable" |
| 14:35.22 | stew | SevenIsPrime: when do you get that? |
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| 14:35.38 | pumpkin0 | stew: that's in the offical wiki |
| 14:35.39 | SevenIsPrime | stew: It is in the Ubuntu-Documentation. |
| 14:36.00 | lamer1 | I need some advice. How well does Debian run on laptops ? I have an Acer Aspire 1690 and I'm planning to run Debian on it ( Currently I'm running Ubuntu ). Since I'm having some stupid problems with Ubuntu I'd like to switch to Debian. Any advice ? Thnx |
| 14:36.03 | asmCode | Eulex: when i try to input apt-get install glib |
| 14:36.05 | erikyy2 | dunno understand debian session management. is there some session config file where i configure all my x sessiontypes??? is that file used by gdm and kdm both or is there some tool to create kdm and gdm config files automatically??? |
| 14:36.09 | stew | SevenIsPrime: if they are talking about logging into X as root, then i agree with them, it's not recommended |
| 14:36.37 | SevenIsPrime | stew: No, they are talking about having *any* root account whatsoever! |
| 14:36.51 | SevenIsPrime | stew: They simply don't ever want you to use root. |
| 14:36.53 | stew | SevenIsPrime: no they aren't. |
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| 14:37.11 | stew | SevenIsPrime: you cannot install ubuntu without having a root account |
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| 14:37.22 | SevenIsPrime | stew: Yes they are. Read up here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo |
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| 14:37.32 | Eulex | asmCode, there is no package named glib. |
| 14:37.39 | SevenIsPrime | stew: your first user becomse "root" via "sudo" |
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| 14:37.48 | stew | lamer1: debian should run on a laptop similarly to how ubuntu runs on a laptop |
| 14:38.15 | stew | SevenIsPrime: right, so your statement about not having a root accouns at all is obviously false if you are becoming root via sudo |
| 14:38.17 | asmCode | stew: glib, version 2.8.4, apt dontfind it |
| 14:38.30 | SevenIsPrime | stew: I disagree on the point that it is the same security concept. It is entirely different IMHO. |
| 14:38.43 | asmCode | Eulex: that way i dont use apt, i trying to install manually |
| 14:38.58 | Eulex | asmCode, no. don't. why? |
| 14:38.59 | SevenIsPrime | stew: You are not becoming root. You are sudo'ing. There is a slight yet important difference. |
| 14:39.09 | SevenIsPrime | stew: You do not need to know the root pw to do that. |
| 14:39.12 | stew | asmCode: apt-cache policy libglib2.0-dev ; and the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list into a pastebin |
| 14:39.21 | DonVincenzo | How can I start/stop Cron while running ? |
| 14:39.36 | SevenIsPrime | stew: User *is* effectively given full root privileges. I don't like that at all. |
| 14:39.40 | stew | SevenIsPrime: in any case, i would recommend that you do what they are recommending while you are using debian |
| 14:39.43 | Covener | Se/lastlog SevenIsPrime |
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| 14:39.49 | Covener | Oops, sorry |
| 14:39.56 | Covener | Just reviewing the comedy |
| 14:40.10 | stew | SevenIsPrime: you can limit this easily by running visudo (this is the reverting part i was talking about before) |
| 14:40.11 | SevenIsPrime | Covener: What comedy? |
| 14:40.17 | Covener | <SevenIsPrime> stew: No, they are talking about having *any* root account whatsoever! |
| 14:40.25 | lamer1 | stew: thnx |
| 14:40.27 | tarzeau | bluefox83: what is it not doing? can you put your configs online? |
| 14:40.40 | Covener | Which is a far cry from "we use sudo instead of su / interactive login as root" |
| 14:40.45 | bluefox83 | tarzeau, i could put the error in here, it's just one line.. |
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| 14:40.53 | tarzeau | bluefox83: go ahead |
| 14:41.06 | bluefox83 | RROR: No ipv4 or ipsec Zones Defined |
| 14:41.08 | aksn | you can "create" the root account by changing the pw => sudo passwd |
| 14:41.16 | bluefox83 | oops..somehow managed to cut off the E |
| 14:41.18 | SevenIsPrime | Coverner: If the root account is disabled (there is no PW set) I call it "not having a root account". I don't care if you think that is a commedy. |
| 14:41.30 | ofer0 | !uptime |
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| 14:41.35 | takatumi | tarzeau: ok |
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| 14:41.49 | stew | SevenIsPrime: using sudo for some stuff instead of always using su is far safer |
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| 14:41.55 | spiekey | hello |
| 14:41.58 | Eulex | asmCode, you should learn to search for packages instead of guessing package names. /msg dpkg search |
| 14:41.58 | SevenIsPrime | aksn: I know and the consequence is as they say to break every admin GUI in *buntu. |
| 14:42.07 | spiekey | how can i "reinstall" a package? |
| 14:42.09 | SevenIsPrime | But I am not here to discuss "ubuntu". |
| 14:42.15 | tarzeau | spiekey: --reinstall |
| 14:42.15 | spiekey | apt-get re-install or something? |
| 14:42.19 | spiekey | ah! thanks! |
| 14:42.23 | stew | SevenIsPrime: so in any case, set a root password, then limit what can be done with sudo, then what problems would you have? |
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| 14:43.07 | stew | SevenIsPrime: you shouldn't care, you shouldn't be running gui admin programs any other way than with sudo anyway |
| 14:43.15 | SevenIsPrime | stew: That I cannot use ubuntu it is meant to be used with a root account enabled. I'd then have to disable the root account again etc. |
| 14:43.31 | bluefox83 | tarzeau, where can i find the file(s) to define the ipv4 zones in shorewall? |
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| 14:43.38 | aimtrainer | hey anybodey got an idea where I could get bluetooth support? |
| 14:43.51 | Covener | aimtrainer: apt-cache search bluez |
| 14:43.56 | spiekey | apt-get --reinstall? |
| 14:43.59 | tarzeau | takatumi: ok what? i'm bubbling |
| 14:44.16 | stew | aimtrainer: apt-get install bluez-utils ; read /usr/share/doc/bluez-utils ; i recommend you google for someone who is using bluez-utils with the particular device you are trying to get connected and see what they did |
| 14:44.44 | aimtrainer | stew Covener I already installed everything and stuff |
| 14:44.49 | aimtrainer | and googled a lot |
| 14:44.55 | Covener | aimtrainer: hciconfig list an interface? (like ifconfig) |
| 14:44.56 | aimtrainer | I just have one problem |
| 14:45.00 | stew | aimtrainer: what specific problem are you having then? |
| 14:45.24 | aimtrainer | after having paired my cell and the pc I cant login with the cell |
| 14:45.45 | aimtrainer | so I think I maybe didnt succed in pairing them correctly |
| 14:45.51 | bluefox83 | probably a cell problem then |
| 14:45.52 | Covener | aimtrainer: for obex file transfer or something? or modem stuff? |
| 14:46.09 | aksn | aimtrainer, for KDE you can try kdebluetooth...and the code is 1234 |
| 14:46.12 | aimtrainer | I want to remote control my pc with my cell |
| 14:46.28 | bluefox83 | aimtrainer, that doesn't sound very safe :X |
| 14:46.32 | aimtrainer | kdebluetooth would delete a bunch of other packages |
| 14:46.37 | Covener | aimtrainer: from bluetooth distances? |
| 14:46.43 | tarzeau | takatumi: MAN |
| 14:46.46 | aimtrainer | distances? |
| 14:46.49 | tarzeau | takatumi: why didn't you wait? i bubble shoe, and we both get faster |
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| 14:47.09 | Covener | aimtrainer: I've found some of the gnome stuff to work a little better for playing with my phone via bluetooth |
| 14:47.20 | takatumi | tarzeau: kid is playing as well. :) can we get to the uberbonuses quick? |
| 14:47.32 | tarzeau | takatumi: join both with two dragons on one keyboard! |
| 14:47.34 | cyzie | aimtrainer, can u be more specific ? |
| 14:47.36 | Covener | aimtrainer: I was under the impression that bluetooth was usable over very short distances in the normal case... which would make remote control over BT a little unusual |
| 14:47.39 | tarzeau | bluefox83: play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net with me? |
| 14:47.43 | Eulex | tarzeau, /me is coming :) |
| 14:47.52 | tarzeau | Eulex: yay :) |
| 14:48.14 | Maulkin | Though I really should do some work... |
| 14:48.29 | cyzie | aimtrainer, if u paired correctly...then you should able to transfer file. it is either you pair incorrectly or correct |
| 14:48.33 | Eulex | tarzeau, hmm, snow.ethz.ch doesn't seem to work here... |
| 14:48.34 | tarzeau | Maulkin: only a few minutes ;) |
| 14:48.47 | aimtrainer | Covener hm good idea.. with gnome |
| 14:49.00 | Eulex | ah, working after restart |
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| 14:49.19 | asmCode | Eulex: ok, i have found pack name: libglib2.0-2, but apt-get say that it is in the newest version, but it isnt! |
| 14:49.29 | aimtrainer | my bluetooth dongle can "do" it over a hundret metres Covener |
| 14:49.30 | Maulkin | Nothing's as good as tetrinet |
| 14:49.36 | Maulkin | so there :) |
| 14:49.36 | De_Mon | i need netstat-nat with timestamp printing on each line. :/ |
| 14:49.47 | Covener | aimtrainer: for file transfer gnome-obex-send and gnome-obex-server (to recv) are what I use, they're both console programs |
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| 14:49.50 | Eulex | asmCode, it's the newest version that is in the release of debian you're using... |
| 14:50.02 | takatumi | tarzeau: now that he knows that other dragons are available, he wants all the dragons. |
| 14:50.07 | Covener | aimtrainer: cool, does your phones transceiver work over that distance? |
| 14:50.08 | stew | asmCode: if you are having trouble running ./config you are looking for a -dev package. what are you trying to compile? why won't you tell me the output of apt-get policy libglib2.0-dev ? |
| 14:50.10 | tarzeau | takatumi: LOL |
| 14:50.17 | tarzeau | takatumi: max 3 at one keyboard ;) |
| 14:50.21 | tarzeau | takatumi: where's your wife? |
| 14:50.38 | asmCode | steri: output says, that i have nothing installed |
| 14:50.38 | takatumi | tarzeau: watching days of our lives |
| 14:50.55 | stew | asmCode: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:50.56 | asmCode | stew: wops, line to steri was for u:) |
| 14:50.57 | Eulex | hmm... pink is taking... guess I'll be violet then |
| 14:51.03 | asmCode | stew: sarge |
| 14:51.03 | bluefox83 | tarzeau, i think i'll get NAT up and running first, so i can play champions return to arms on multiplayer mode ]:) |
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| 14:51.11 | stew | asmCode: libglib2.0-2 isn't a debian package |
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| 14:51.22 | stew | asmCode: you didn't tell me what policy said for candidate |
| 14:51.25 | tarzeau | bluefox83: come joins us play bub'n'bros, www.linuks.mine.nu/people/bubnbros/ |
| 14:51.43 | rakocska | hello |
| 14:51.43 | bluefox83 | tarzeau, nah, i been trying to get this to work for ages |
| 14:51.44 | asmCode | stew: thet libglib isn not installed |
| 14:51.55 | bluefox83 | tarzeau, thanks for the offer though :) |
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| 14:52.17 | stew | asmCode: can you please paste the output of "apt-cache policy libglib2.0-dev" and the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin, or to #flood? |
| 14:52.18 | spiekey | i have removed my /etc/postfix config files. How can i install the default config files which come with the packages? |
| 14:52.18 | tarzeau | LOOOL ICE CREAM |
| 14:52.21 | tarzeau | LOOOOOL |
| 14:52.36 | aimtrainer | Covener dont know yet |
| 14:52.46 | rakocska | byebye |
| 14:52.50 | aimtrainer | but it will be enough to control it in my room |
| 14:53.09 | stew | spiekey: you have to apt-get install --reinstall the package with confmiss, /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 14:53.37 | De_Mon | tarzeau omg is that internet bubble bobble? |
| 14:53.50 | tarzeau | De_Mon: YES :) up to 10 dragons |
| 14:53.55 | tarzeau | De_Mon: join quick only 4 slots left |
| 14:54.12 | Shadur | tarzeau: Wazzat |
| 14:54.21 | tarzeau | Shadur: addictive uber FUN! |
| 14:54.35 | tarzeau | Shadur: you're cute dragons, making bubbles (bubble the monsters) |
| 14:54.39 | tarzeau | and make the bubbles explode. heh |
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| 14:54.55 | tarzeau | killing monsters gives no points. only the remaining fruits |
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| 14:54.56 | Shadur | tarzeau: I know the game. Is there a deb? :) |
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| 14:55.12 | tarzeau | Shadur: nope but it's python. http://bub-n-bros.sf.net unpack, ./BubBros.py |
| 14:55.51 | Shadur | tarzeau: Hang on, grabbing. |
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| 14:56.07 | Shadur | From, like, the atari ST. |
| 14:56.08 | tarzeau | yeah i've also played it on amiga ;) |
| 14:56.19 | faisal_d | guys, what cd recorder software is there on sarge? something with GUI??? |
| 14:56.34 | spiekey | stew: can in find that confmiss stuff in a manpage, too? |
| 14:56.42 | spiekey | in case i dont have this irc bot ;) |
| 14:57.04 | drivamgr2006 | Isnt there a version of k3b for debian kde? or use nautilus-burn from gnome |
| 14:57.13 | CalJohn | faisak_d: try k3b or xcdroast |
| 14:57.25 | faisal_d | i don't have KDE... |
| 14:57.31 | Shadur | tarzeau: Where do I need to connect to for the game? |
| 14:57.33 | faisal_d | CalJohn... thanx |
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| 14:57.38 | tarzeau | look at all the crazy bonuses: http://bub-n-bros.sourceforge.net/crazybonuses.htm |
| 14:57.47 | drivamgr2006 | then nautilus-burn or xcdroast from gnome |
| 14:57.47 | tarzeau | Shadur: in the browser go bottom to internet games |
| 14:57.49 | Eclipser | drivamgr2006, that doesn't really matter if one uses gnome normally but uses some KDE apps :) |
| 14:57.49 | CalJohn | k3b is really good btw, its worth installing the extrapackages for it |
| 14:57.49 | SevenIsPrime | drivamgr2006: there is of course k3b for kde |
| 14:57.51 | tarzeau | Shadur: select snow.ethz.ch server |
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| 14:57.56 | Eclipser | k3b is really the best |
| 14:58.05 | tarzeau | it starts the game automatic, then select dragon bottom with mouse, it asks for keys: left, right, jump, bubble |
| 14:58.11 | Shadur | got it |
| 14:58.19 | drivamgr2006 | I use k3b anyhoo. Never could get nautilus-burn to work on my other distro... |
| 14:58.20 | tarzeau | it's good we have 100mbit server ;) |
| 14:58.42 | Shadur | tarzeau: It seems to be crashing out every time I try to connect. |
| 14:59.02 | tarzeau | Shadur: you have stable? and python? it MUSt work, what browser? |
| 14:59.08 | spiekey | dpkg --force-confmiss -i postfix_2.1.5-9_i386.deb |
| 14:59.10 | spiekey | Preparing to replace postfix 2.1.5-9 (using postfix_2.1.5-9_i386.deb) ... |
| 14:59.11 | spiekey | grep: /etc/postfix/master.cf: No such file or directory |
| 15:00.00 | De_Mon | where are you plyaing tarzeau |
| 15:00.00 | Shadur | tarzeau: I've got sid on this box. And it seems to have launched mozilla. |
| 15:00.03 | Eulex | tarzeau, though it skips a little today here... which makes it hard to play |
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| 15:00.08 | erikyy2 | am upgrading to unstable, why is there so much to downloade? |
| 15:00.09 | tarzeau | De_Mon: yep i'm the golden dragon |
| 15:00.19 | erikyy2 | from testing to unstable. i thought its just few weeks difference? |
| 15:00.26 | tarzeau | Shadur: you can say BROWSER=notfirefox ./BubBros |
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| 15:00.53 | bluefox83 | how do i define interfaces in shorewall? |
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| 15:03.12 | goccia | bluefox83: get precooked confs or edit like : net ppp0 detect routefilter,norfc1918,tcpflags,blacklist and so on |
| 15:03.15 | tarzeau | LOLL i killed two friend dragons :) |
| 15:03.18 | tarzeau | Eulex: ;) |
| 15:03.24 | tarzeau | so fun to be on the monster side |
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| 15:05.58 | bluefox83 | goccia, what is the name of he file that contains interface descriptions and definitions for shorewall? |
| 15:06.01 | bluefox83 | *the |
| 15:06.27 | goccia | bluefox83: /etc/shorewall/interfaces _ iirc you 'll find in doc |
| 15:06.43 | bluefox83 | O.o |
| 15:07.00 | goccia | etc should be empty , iirc |
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| 15:07.23 | bluefox83 | i wish i could remember wtf iirc means :X |
| 15:07.38 | bluefox83 | my meds haven't kicked in yet i guess -_- |
| 15:08.10 | tarzeau | dang, have you guys never played tetris? |
| 15:08.19 | De_Mon | tetrinet > * |
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| 15:08.37 | tarzeau | De_Mon: nope multiplayer tetris in bub'n'bros on one field is WAY more funny |
| 15:08.39 | goccia | tetris ? addictive as firefox extensions and themes |
| 15:08.43 | tarzeau | De_Mon: as is multiplayer PacMan! |
| 15:08.51 | tarzeau | and LEMMINGS! |
| 15:08.51 | drivamgr2006 | bluefox: iirc = if i remember correctly |
| 15:09.04 | tarzeau | De_Mon: btw you can't join ? |
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| 15:09.18 | De_Mon | meh -- hey how do I kill a dragon? I've got 2 seleced |
| 15:09.33 | De_Mon | tarzeau can't quite get the controls how I want them, but i'm in |
| 15:09.47 | bluefox83 | drivamgr2006, ooooh...guess i can never use that one myself :P |
| 15:09.49 | De_Mon | running windows client so i don't have a tame atm |
| 15:09.53 | tarzeau | De_Mon: you select dragon it shows little animation for the key you want to use for left,right,jump,bubble |
| 15:10.06 | tarzeau | De_Mon: unselect dragon bottom right, to try again |
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| 15:10.10 | De_Mon | i've selected 2 and need to unselect |
| 15:10.17 | tarzeau | bottom right |
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| 15:10.26 | De_Mon | ooooh bouncing got it |
| 15:10.29 | SerajewelKS | would anyone scold me if i asked a quick hp-ux question? |
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| 15:10.34 | tarzeau | heh paxed :) SHEEP |
| 15:10.37 | tarzeau | LOOOL |
| 15:10.56 | tarzeau | De_Mon: if someone takes the sheep, all points won get subtracted twice! |
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| 15:11.11 | pumpkin0 | tarzeau: WTF are you playing ?? |
| 15:11.12 | SerajewelKS | since there's not much debian talk going on anyway, apparently |
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| 15:11.22 | tarzeau | pumpkin0: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 15:12.29 | drivamgr2006 | I have a problem with my apache2 configuration. I have 2 things I need to get my server working correctly, yet I cant find either of them on synaptic or aptitude. I need HTML::Template for the website templates, and Universal::Moniker to get Ima::DBI working properly. I know I shouldn't need to compile, but unless I can find a package which supplies these, I see no choice. |
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| 15:13.06 | SerajewelKS | drivamgr2006: search p.d.o for Template.pm, Moniker.pm, and DBI.pm |
| 15:13.08 | bodq | hello |
| 15:13.30 | bodq | what are xorg-specific utilities in Debian? |
| 15:13.48 | drivamgr2006 | Thanks SerajewelKS - is p.d.o packages.debian.org? |
| 15:13.53 | SerajewelKS | drivamgr2006: yes |
| 15:13.57 | drivamgr2006 | thanks |
| 15:14.07 | stew | drivamgr2006: or /msg dpkg apt-file ; and use apt-file to search for those .pm's |
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| 15:14.57 | debugger | when building a kernel and I don't want to use the USB hardware, its OK not building the USB driver in the kernel (nor in a module)? |
| 15:15.05 | eguzkia | someone can help me to configure ALSA? |
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| 15:16.26 | eguzkia | i need help to configure my internal modem! |
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| 15:16.36 | eguzkia | i think a smartlink modem! |
| 15:16.53 | eguzkia | slmodemd doesen't work when i try to run it! |
| 15:16.53 | pumpkin0 | !dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 15:16.53 | dpkg | i guess alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
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| 15:17.32 | phanter | hello, is there an openoffice channel? |
| 15:17.41 | tarzeau | panthera: #debian-oo |
| 15:17.43 | stew | phanter: #openoffice.org or #debian-oo |
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| 15:19.14 | eguzkia | someone can help me with slmodemd? |
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| 15:21.23 | drivamgr2006 | Right, SerajewelKS and stew - thanks for your help. I got everything I need to get the system up and rocking now. Cheers, gonna go get on with getting this bleep of a server up and live |
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| 15:22.43 | eguzkia | someone can explain this:"error: alsa setup: cannot open playback device 'hw:1': device or resource busyerror: cannot setup device 'hw:1' |
| 15:23.44 | SerajewelKS | eguzkia: either something is playing using hw:1 or your drivers are borked |
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| 15:25.24 | eguzkia | SerajewelKS: i think it depends by ALSA! |
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| 15:26.02 | SerajewelKS | eguzkia: can you try making some sense please? |
| 15:26.17 | MikeDub | merry boxing day, everyone |
| 15:26.29 | eguzkia | SerajewelKS: sorry for my english |
| 15:26.37 | SerajewelKS | eguzkia: what is your native language |
| 15:26.49 | eguzkia | SerajewelKS: the problem is that ALSA is not configured! |
| 15:27.12 | eguzkia | SerajewelKS: ITALIAN (but i haven't voted for berlusconi)! |
| 15:27.21 | SerajewelKS | eguzkia: regardless of whether alsa is configured, you shouldn't be seeing that error unless you are playing some audio |
| 15:27.22 | goccia | good |
| 15:27.24 | SerajewelKS | !it |
| 15:27.24 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 15:27.25 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:27.32 | SerajewelKS | eguzkia: dpkg ^^^ |
| 15:27.39 | aksn | eguzkia, and then why do you have a basque name? |
| 15:28.05 | bluefox83 | i seem to have forgotten how to stop and start a particular eth* interface manually =( |
| 15:28.10 | goccia | maybe is from sardinia |
| 15:28.10 | bluefox83 | how do i turn on eth1? |
| 15:28.12 | SerajewelKS | bluefox83: ifup/ifdown |
| 15:28.17 | eguzkia | because my wife came from bilbao! |
| 15:28.52 | aksn | eguzkia, amm, jai zoriontsuak! |
| 15:29.14 | bluefox83 | i think my second network card is dead =( |
| 15:29.28 | eguzkia | aksn:thank you |
| 15:29.31 | eguzkia | aksn:askatasuna |
| 15:29.48 | aksn | eguzkia, :-)) |
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| 15:30.16 | eguzkia | someone can help me? |
| 15:30.25 | eguzkia | aksn: can you help me with ALSA |
| 15:30.36 | aksn | eguzkia, did you try alsaconf? |
| 15:30.44 | SerajewelKS | eguzkia: #debian-it |
| 15:31.05 | eguzkia | aksn:yes i have to do alsaconf each time i use my pc |
| 15:31.23 | aksn | eguzkia, once you have it working, try alsactl store |
| 15:31.45 | dvs | eguzkia: And put all those "snd_" modules in your /etc/modules file |
| 15:32.00 | SerajewelKS | speaking of alsa, why would i hear audio when the master volume is at 0%? when it's muted i hear nothing, but at 0% it's still pretty loud when PCM is at 77%. |
| 15:32.03 | eguzkia | aksn:alredy done but i lost configuration when i off my pc |
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| 15:32.31 | aksn | eguzkia, and the correct modules in /etc/modules ¿? |
| 15:32.49 | Eulex | tarzeau, brb, setting up bubbros for my brother :) |
| 15:32.59 | tarzeau | Eulex: ok, you two can also play on the same keyboard ;) |
| 15:33.07 | eguzkia | aksn:just one moment i write... |
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| 15:34.12 | bluefox83 | i think i need to find out how to define what card is eth1 |
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| 15:34.28 | eguzkia | aksn:snd-ak4531-codec snd-intel8xom snd-atiixp snd-als4000 snd-via82xx snd-cmipci snd-util-mem snd-ak4531-codec |
| 15:35.50 | aksn | eguzkia, comment them all, maybe alsa is loading them twice. it happened to me once |
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| 15:37.39 | neoxan | http://www.ultimatebierbong.de.vu/ |
| 15:37.41 | neoxan | :D |
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| 15:37.57 | eguzkia | aksn: do you think i have to comment all snd* modules? |
| 15:38.13 | bluefox83 | how do you make sure eth1 is pointing to the correct card? |
| 15:38.30 | aksn | eguzkia, try it, it's perfectly possible |
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| 15:39.51 | eguzkia | ok itry |
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| 15:43.00 | sifi | bluefox83, dmesg | grep eth |
| 15:43.24 | zvadin | hello guys I have a problem with my scann a can't scan as user only as admin .. I have search the Web two days without to finde a awnser (sys debain sarge3.1 64Bit) |
| 15:43.51 | bluefox83 | whoa..that's an odd outcome O.O |
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| 15:44.13 | sifi | bluefox83, ? |
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| 15:44.21 | mutilator | anyone here used total control 1000 modem banks? i get a lot of users that get lost carriers from it compared to when they use our port masters... wondering if i have some kinda config problem |
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| 15:44.34 | bluefox83 | sifi, i'll paste it in #flood |
| 15:44.42 | sifi | bluefox83, ok |
| 15:45.11 | bluefox83 | that's what i got for the eth1 stuff |
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| 15:45.23 | sifi | bluefox83, ok |
| 15:45.41 | eguzkia | aksn: thank you |
| 15:45.54 | sifi | bluefox83, what do you want eth1 to do? |
| 15:45.56 | bluefox83 | sifi, my second network card is dark..none of the lights are on and the router i hooked into it is saying it's not getting anything from it either |
| 15:46.00 | aksn | eguzkia, it worked? |
| 15:46.25 | eguzkia | aksn: yes |
| 15:46.31 | bluefox83 | sifi, i want to hook a play station 2 into a router, and the router to the eth1 card |
| 15:46.38 | aksn | eguzkia, strange, i know :-)) |
| 15:46.38 | Eulex | tarzeau, ya, but a keyboard can just detect 3 keys at a time... I set it up at a winblows box for him. was a pain, btw |
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| 15:47.23 | sifi | bluefox83, ok =), well first of all, what is shorewall doing with eth1? |
| 15:47.33 | phaedrus_ | wooot woot |
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| 15:47.37 | phaedrus_ | hey wussup Eulex |
| 15:47.41 | eguzkia | aksn: but now i have another problem |
| 15:47.42 | tarzeau | Eulex: anton your bro? |
| 15:47.56 | eguzkia | aksn: i have to configure my modem a smartlink modem |
| 15:47.57 | Eulex | tarzeau, ya |
| 15:48.04 | bluefox83 | sifi, uhm..i'm not entirely sure of that myself.. |
| 15:48.06 | Eulex | phaedrus_, playing bubbros |
| 15:48.15 | phaedrus_ | oh |
| 15:48.17 | phaedrus_ | hehe |
| 15:48.26 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 15:48.26 | sifi | bluefox83, use iptables as it is |
| 15:48.35 | phaedrus_ | how do i find out what gcc was used to compile this kerenel? |
| 15:48.39 | Savio_R | hid3, I can't dist-upgrade Sid. What can I do? The error is: http://rafb.net/paste/results/wwIl8m43.html |
| 15:48.43 | bluefox83 | sifi, i'm no good at using iptables! |
| 15:49.01 | sifi | bluefox83, it's not that hard, google some scripts |
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| 15:49.54 | sifi | bluefox83, and don't forget to check out netfilter.org |
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| 15:50.16 | Shadowcat | Savio_R: you do know that sid isn't supported here right? |
| 15:50.20 | bluefox83 | sifi, can you help me? i haven't the foggiest notion of what i'm doing :( |
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| 15:50.38 | sifi | bluefox83, hold on =) |
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| 15:50.56 | bluefox83 | sifi, ok |
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| 15:51.15 | sifi | bluefox83, learn iptables: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/index.html#documentation-faq |
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| 15:51.51 | abrotman | bluefox83: i told oyu last night .. ask #iptables |
| 15:52.00 | bluefox83 | sifi, you're going to fry my brain :X |
| 15:52.17 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i did, i asked MANY times..no one has answered in over 6 hours! |
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| 15:52.25 | abrotman | bluefox83: you asked once ? |
| 15:52.39 | bluefox83 | i've asked several times |
| 15:52.40 | sifi | bluefox83, thats why you have to read the manual |
| 15:52.42 | abrotman | bluefox83: #iptables , netfilter.org , lartc.org ... enjoy :) |
| 15:52.44 | goccia | bluefox83: shorewall takes time to master : try firehol and you'll be up and running in 5 minutes |
| 15:52.55 | abrotman | not to mention tldp.org |
| 15:52.57 | bluefox83 | firehol? |
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| 15:53.15 | sifi | goccia, I'd say no, iptables require just a few lines to be secure |
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| 15:53.38 | bluefox83 | goccia, i'm really looking to configure NAT, not really in need of a firewall.. |
| 15:53.58 | goccia | sifi: i know and i say you are right : before he asked for shorewall :) |
| 15:54.12 | sifi | bluefox83, http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//packet-filtering-HOWTO.html |
| 15:54.18 | bluefox83 | i don't have anything on my system i can't live without, so if anyone hoses my system..re-installation is not a big deal |
| 15:54.28 | sifi | goccia, =) |
| 15:55.00 | abrotman | or he could install dhcpd and ipmasq .. and call it a day :) |
| 15:55.23 | bluefox83 | way too many options here guys @.@ |
| 15:55.24 | abrotman | who needs a firewall :) |
| 15:55.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: join bub'n'bro! |
| 15:55.36 | dvs | bluefox83: Hey! YOu wanted help |
| 15:55.55 | goccia | i read all docs but in the end i wanted to do what shorewall does :) |
| 15:56.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: :( |
| 15:56.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: guess where i am? |
| 15:56.10 | tarzeau | at werk? |
| 15:56.18 | tarzeau | girlfriend? |
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| 15:56.22 | odla | tarzeau: always trying to recruit b-n-b players |
| 15:56.27 | tarzeau | odla: JOIN! JOIN!è |
| 15:56.29 | bluefox83 | dvs, sometimes showing a person every possible solution and telling them to figure it out is not that helpful =( |
| 15:56.44 | goccia | but i think firehol is a good starter |
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| 15:57.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: working for Scrooge and Marley |
| 15:57.45 | abrotman | because you are unable to read for yourself and want an answer fed to you |
| 15:57.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: who are they? |
| 15:58.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: Charles Dickens .. A Christmas Carol ? |
| 15:58.04 | bluefox83 | well, i read the entire shorewall readme stuff last night..and it didn't help me |
| 15:58.05 | nesys | how could I have more IP on the same network interface? |
| 15:58.14 | nesys | eth0:1 and so on? |
| 15:58.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know i'm not in america. can you talk european to me? |
| 15:58.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's god damn charles dickens! |
| 15:58.42 | bluefox83 | somehow i don't think sifting through oodles of how-to's is going to help me much =( |
| 15:58.58 | tarzeau | WTF is Charles Dickes? i find that in google pictures or dict? |
| 15:58.58 | eguzkia | can i found 3d accellerator for intel mobile graphics controller? |
| 15:58.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: you know .. an ENGLISH author .. you know .. the same england that is in europe :) |
| 15:58.59 | Elly | bluefox83: what're you trying to do? |
| 15:59.06 | sifi | abrotman, he is not "unable", he just belive it's to hard for him |
| 15:59.08 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Dickens |
| 15:59.21 | abrotman | bluefox83: because you might just possibly actually learn something |
| 15:59.36 | odla | tarzeau: you don't know who Charles Dickens was? (odla says incredulously) |
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| 16:00.10 | tarzeau | odla: no, and i also fall asleep during sex |
| 16:00.17 | odla | tarzeau: ha ha |
| 16:00.20 | blondie | roflcopter |
| 16:01.29 | nextime | i'm italian and i know Charles Dickens :) |
| 16:01.40 | nextime | ( rotfl ) |
| 16:01.43 | goccia | Charles Dickens was Jack The Ripper brother in law |
| 16:01.57 | goccia | was he ? |
| 16:02.00 | nesys | nextime lol |
| 16:02.25 | bluefox83 | abrotman, as much as i would love to actually learn something...i doubt i will..because this is th ethird time i have tried to learn NAT and masquarading and i haven't learned anything...still makes me go @.@ |
| 16:02.30 | goccia | nextime: and i know you but you do not know me :=) |
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| 16:03.30 | nextime | goccia : i'm a vip :) ( *gh* ) |
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| 16:03.56 | blondie | nextime: are you on drugs too? |
| 16:04.03 | nesys | goccia but you know me? |
| 16:04.13 | sifi | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 16:04.13 | sifi | # Disallow NEW and INVALID incoming or forwarded packets from ppp0. |
| 16:04.13 | sifi | iptables -A INPUT -i ppp0 -m state --state NEW,INVALID -j DROP |
| 16:04.13 | sifi | iptables -A FORWARD -i ppp0 -m state --state NEW,INVALID -j DROP |
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| 16:04.13 | nextime | blondie : absolutely yes! |
| 16:04.19 | blondie | which ones? |
| 16:04.19 | nesys | ahaahah |
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| 16:04.31 | goccia | nextime: still playing bongos in camden ? |
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| 16:04.38 | nextime | blondie : only cannabis and coffee :) |
| 16:05.02 | sifi | sorry, was for bluefox83 |
| 16:05.09 | nextime | goccia : uh! i'm not anymore in london now, i'm in italy now, who are you? |
| 16:05.17 | goccia | nesys: i don't think i know you : are you on the same bandwagon ? |
| 16:05.25 | blondie | hm |
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| 16:05.57 | sifi | bluefox83, for NAT: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//packet-filtering-HOWTO-9.html |
| 16:05.59 | nesys | goccia if you says "cannabis-coffee bandwagon", the answer is "absolutely yes!" |
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| 16:06.57 | odla | do you guys know if there is a horizontal theme for gkrellm so that it doesn't have to be stacked vertically |
| 16:07.00 | Eulex | o.O a bandwagon made of cannabis and coffee? |
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| 16:07.25 | debian_pwnz | oh good god i would get on that thing |
| 16:07.30 | bluefox83 | sifi, i just adjust that for eth0 and eth1 right? |
| 16:07.31 | debian_pwnz | in a heartbeat |
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| 16:07.39 | nesys | uops ... autocrash :) |
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| 16:07.45 | debian_pwnz | free budds and free coffee... mmm |
| 16:07.48 | blondie | autolart |
| 16:07.55 | debian_pwnz | hey blondie |
| 16:08.10 | blondie | o.o |
| 16:08.12 | debian_pwnz | i got that video card. i put it in, now i have a decent resolution |
| 16:08.19 | debian_pwnz | 1600x1200@85 |
| 16:08.23 | sifi | bluefox83, exactly, RTM |
| 16:08.32 | blondie | hmm |
| 16:08.40 | debian_pwnz | now i was trying to do that dual monitor thing, i got my config files all worked out and working |
| 16:08.53 | debian_pwnz | now its the bios i think, it woin't read both cards at once |
| 16:09.01 | debian_pwnz | i dunno how to make it work, any ideas |
| 16:09.24 | dvs | debian_pwnz: Why do you need the BIOS to recognize both monitors? |
| 16:09.32 | debian_pwnz | i guess i don't then |
| 16:09.33 | debian_pwnz | i dunno |
| 16:09.34 | phogg | odla: as I recall horizontal is not supported with gkrellm. I remember some talk about adding it but have never seen anything. |
| 16:09.47 | debian_pwnz | not monitors man, video cards |
| 16:09.54 | debian_pwnz | for dual monitor |
| 16:10.19 | bluefox83 | sifi, i AM reading the manual...it doesn't say ANYTHING about using eth0 or eth1 instead of ppp0 :( |
| 16:10.33 | dvs | debian_pwnz: Is Debian the only OS on the computer? |
| 16:11.10 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.22 | *** part/#debian _eth0_ (n=eth0@CAcert-br/eth0) |
| 16:11.22 | debian_pwnz | the first original card was an 8mb onboard intel chipset. i got just got a geforce mx2 and now lspci lists the original card, but X can't use it. debian is the only os on this system |
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| 16:11.48 | De_Mon | sed -e 's/^/`date +%D\ %r\ `/ <-- how do I get that to append the date instead of the text? |
| 16:11.57 | dvs | debian_pwnz: Then I wouldn't worry about the BIOS then. |
| 16:12.11 | sifi | bluefox83, then read : http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//networking-concepts-HOWTO.html |
| 16:12.26 | debian_pwnz | then how do I setup dual monitor? |
| 16:12.32 | sifi | bluefox83, don't have time for this anymore, that should do it anyway. Good luck |
| 16:13.13 | bluefox83 | sifi, it did nothing for me but piss me off |
| 16:13.14 | debian_pwnz | i configured both my cards seperately, then merged the configs and setup xserverlayout properly. config files are fine. its just that it won't read more than one video card at a time |
| 16:13.34 | Eulex | tarzeau, anyway, gotta go. |
| 16:13.47 | sifi | bluefox83, It took me 2 days to learn the the basics of iptables, you have to go through that to |
| 16:14.36 | sifi | bluefox83, and even if that pisses you off you have to it's the original manual for iptables written by rusty himself |
| 16:14.46 | De_Mon | wtf nevermind it's working now |
| 16:14.46 | abrotman | bluefox83: then i guess you should actually read .. |
| 16:14.47 | bluefox83 | sifi, i've been doing this for 2 days now, and i already know the basics, what i need, it to know how to point the data from eth0 to eth1 and vise versa :X |
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| 16:15.09 | bluefox83 | and to learn to type :( |
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| 16:15.30 | sifi | bluefox83, you don't know the basics yet, you just found the manual =) |
| 16:16.07 | bluefox83 | i ALSO need to know, how to make SURE that eth1 is really the right card..my eth1 card is not lighting up like it should |
| 16:16.13 | tarzeau | Eulex: k, was fun :) |
| 16:16.43 | bluefox83 | so i have NO idea where the device name eth1 is actually pointing |
| 16:16.54 | goccia | no light ? must be dead : swap 'em to make sure |
| 16:17.01 | bluefox83 | does THAT make sense? |
| 16:17.16 | sifi | bluefox83, switch the NIC:s to a diff. PCI slot then |
| 16:17.28 | goccia | grep for eth in /var/log/messages |
| 16:17.29 | bluefox83 | that means shutting down the machine =( |
| 16:17.53 | kspath | lspci look for network card info? |
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| 16:18.25 | bluefox83 | it's listed in lspci =( |
| 16:18.32 | tarzeau | SUPER ICE CREAM |
| 16:18.40 | sifi | bluefox83, could maybe depend on the drivers for the NIC as well? |
| 16:18.46 | bluefox83 | i have the right driver |
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| 16:18.49 | bluefox83 | tulip |
| 16:18.55 | debian_pwnz | how do i find out the busid of a video card. i tried XFree86 -scanpci but it does nothing, i get no output at all |
| 16:18.58 | bluefox83 | and when i lsmod | grep tulip it comes up |
| 16:19.00 | cr3 | how can I convert a midi file to ogg or mp3? |
| 16:19.16 | stew | debian_pwnz: unless you have two cards or are using a mac, leave it blank |
| 16:19.19 | tarzeau | cr3: using timidity |
| 16:19.21 | tarzeau | !timidity |
| 16:19.21 | stew | debian_pwnz: otherwise use lspci |
| 16:19.25 | dpkg | methinks timidity is a great midi player, using timidity-patches (gravis ultra sound) it sounds perfect, (try these switches too -in or -ig), grab few midis from http://www.classicgaming.com/tmk/midi.shtml, or http://www.stardate.bc.ca/eawpatches/html/get_patches.htm |
| 16:19.25 | debian_pwnz | stew i have two cards |
| 16:19.40 | dvs | stew: one not recognized by lspci |
| 16:19.44 | stew | debian_pwnz: lspci | grep VGA then |
| 16:19.49 | debian_pwnz | i just thought of something |
| 16:19.52 | sifi | bluefox83, which kernel do you use? |
| 16:19.53 | bluefox83 | i might also add, i use different drivers for each card |
| 16:20.00 | bluefox83 | erm.. |
| 16:20.05 | bluefox83 | os[Linux 2.6.12-1-k7 - Debian testing/unstable] up[64 days, 48 minutes] cpu[AMD Sempron(tm) , 1333.586 MHz (2637.82 bogomips)] xchat[Version: 2.4.5] |
| 16:20.09 | stew | debian_pwnz: if it doesn't show up in lspci i don't think you'd be able to use it |
| 16:20.10 | bluefox83 | 2.6.12 |
| 16:20.20 | debian_pwnz | ok found it |
| 16:20.23 | debian_pwnz | its there |
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| 16:21.29 | sifi | bluefox83, sure that 2.6 has the driver inbuilt? |
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| 16:21.56 | bluefox83 | sifi, if it didn't, i wouldn't get a result from "lsmod | grep tulip" would i? |
| 16:22.24 | De_Mon | scratch scratch |
| 16:22.41 | bluefox83 | sifi, i've used the 2.6 kernels for a while now, never had one that didn't have the right driver built-in |
| 16:22.54 | sifi | bluefox83, ok |
| 16:23.02 | bluefox83 | i think i did something wrong when i created eth1 |
| 16:23.13 | bluefox83 | maybe i have it pointed to the wrong direction? |
| 16:23.21 | kspath | direction? |
| 16:23.28 | goccia | created ? |
| 16:23.30 | kspath | into deep space? |
| 16:23.36 | bluefox83 | erm..it might not be pointing to the right card? |
| 16:23.44 | bluefox83 | yes, i didn't always have an eth1 |
| 16:24.05 | kspath | did you put it in while the machine was powered on? |
| 16:24.12 | sifi | he mean that ifconfig is not properly configured I guess |
| 16:24.16 | bluefox83 | ...no |
| 16:24.23 | bluefox83 | sifi is prolly right |
| 16:24.34 | bluefox83 | i wouldn't add hardware while the machine is on! |
| 16:24.44 | bluefox83 | jeez -_- |
| 16:24.48 | kspath | good to know |
| 16:24.53 | kspath | but I do not know you |
| 16:24.54 | bluefox83 | surely i don't come across as being THAT stupid :( |
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| 16:24.56 | debian_pwnz | stew, i have two monitors, both hooked up, one monitor on the left is using nvidia/19" monitor. right monitor is using the 8mb onboard chipset and running 1024x768 on 17". they both work seperately when used with their respective config files in X. when i merge the two files, add BUSID's and configure xserverlayout, only the nvidia comes on. the other 8mb onboard is not picked up. lspci lists it, and i am using the same busid number |
| 16:24.57 | debian_pwnz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.21 | sifi | bluefox83, eht1 (if that now goes to your LAN) should not have gateway, paste ifconfig |
| 16:25.23 | kspath | I am quite sad that hardware is still in dark ages |
| 16:25.27 | goccia | pushed the card into the slot properly ? |
| 16:25.27 | sep | debian_pwnz, use lspci -X |
| 16:25.35 | kspath | everything should be hot swap by now |
| 16:25.37 | goccia | no light is a tell tale |
| 16:25.58 | bluefox83 | sifi, paste it in #flood? |
| 16:25.59 | stew | debian_pwnz: are you following the xinerama howto? |
| 16:26.05 | sifi | bluefox83, yes |
| 16:26.07 | debian_pwnz | stew yes i am |
| 16:26.20 | debian_pwnz | sep, i did that right, thanks now i know how to list it directly |
| 16:26.32 | stew | debian_pwnz: can you put your merged XF86Config-4 in a pastebin? |
| 16:26.37 | debian_pwnz | yes |
| 16:26.39 | debian_pwnz | hold |
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| 16:27.21 | DonVinzk | I would like cronto popup a message in a console, but if I put echo "test" in a crontable, nothing happen... ?? |
| 16:27.21 | marc_in_lux | good afternoon |
| 16:27.52 | stew | DonVinzk: where do you want this message to popup? |
| 16:28.03 | stew | DonVinzk: in every console? in x? |
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| 16:28.06 | sifi | bluefox83, and now, paste "cat /etc/network/interfaces" to rafb.net/paste |
| 16:28.08 | debian_pwnz | stew, http://pastebin.com/479297 |
| 16:28.13 | marc_in_lux | I just moved my / away from lvm onto an ext3 partition |
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| 16:28.36 | DonVinzk | stew, the best would be to create a new instance of konsole, with my message inside |
| 16:28.48 | bluefox83 | crap, i don't know the whole addy to the pastebin anymore :X |
| 16:28.50 | marc_in_lux | but I believe I need to tell debian some more about it... kernel upgrades seem to work the grub/menu.lst to make it point to the old location |
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| 16:28.58 | marc_in_lux | what do I need to change? |
| 16:29.48 | sifi | bluefox83, have you done it? |
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| 16:30.11 | debian_pwnz | btw, did i need to install something concerning xinerama? |
| 16:30.33 | debian_pwnz | i dunno if any of those extentions get installed with X or i need to install it manually |
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| 16:31.22 | bluefox83 | sifi, done |
| 16:31.29 | sifi | bluefox83, and the URL? |
| 16:31.33 | bluefox83 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/5IZ4CY26.html |
| 16:31.43 | cr3 | why doesn't this substitute properly: echo "foo.barr" | sed 's/\.barr?$/foo/' |
| 16:31.45 | stew | debian_pwnz: you need "screen 0" and "screen 1" in your Device sections at least |
| 16:32.18 | cr3 | it seems like the question mark needs to be escaped, strange... |
| 16:32.24 | stew | DonVinzk: you need to do something like "DISPLAY=0 konsole -e echo foo" |
| 16:32.58 | debian_pwnz | stew, how do you mean? |
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| 16:33.41 | tintamar | i've pastebin a part of my XF86 logs http://pastebin.com/479303 , does anybody can see where i misconfigured my X-windows system, or is it normal? |
| 16:33.56 | sifi | bluefox83, this is how it should look like: http://rafb.net/paste/results/F3Hgyv34.html |
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| 16:34.32 | debian_pwnz | stew, you mean "screen 0" for nv and "screen 1" for mit? Section "Screen0" and Section "Screen1" repectively |
| 16:34.32 | debian_pwnz | ? |
| 16:34.34 | sifi | bluefox83, the gateway should not be specified in the clients that is connected to you NAT server* |
| 16:34.47 | bluefox83 | sifi, why does that not have any entries for eth1? |
| 16:35.18 | sifi | bluefox83, ah, use your eth0, I use PPPoE |
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| 16:35.30 | sifi | bluefox83, just copy the eth1 part |
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| 16:36.41 | bluefox83 | sifi, O.o i have no idea what you just said...but it looks to me like you totally removed the eth1 entry and made something very odd for eth0 that will try to use a static ip... |
| 16:36.51 | asmcode | hi, what is the kde newest version for debian, beucase on kde.org is 3.5, i have 3.3, and when i trying to update, apt says that i have newest vesion |
| 16:36.52 | tarzeau | what are kde theme packages named like in debian? |
| 16:37.38 | sifi | bluefox83, eth0 is told to be used as gateway, right? |
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| 16:37.50 | bluefox83 | uhm..i guess.. |
| 16:37.59 | bluefox83 | it's the one that connects to the cable modem.. |
| 16:38.04 | jana | hello =) |
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| 16:38.51 | sifi | bluefox83, w |
| 16:38.54 | DonVinzk | stew: konsole -e echo "test" open a console,but it disappear as soon as it is created. And... man konsole has no entry |
| 16:39.21 | jana | is it possible to change permission for a FAT32 partition? |
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| 16:39.45 | tarzeau | jana: for all files yes, for selected files no |
| 16:39.55 | tarzeau | for the partition file, too |
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| 16:40.12 | jana | well i need all files O_o |
| 16:40.22 | tarzeau | jana: check www.linuks.mine.nu/mount/ |
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| 16:40.35 | jana | okay |
| 16:40.54 | jana | um |
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| 16:41.49 | abrotman | jana: change permissions how ? |
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| 16:42.23 | jana | what? |
| 16:42.33 | sifi | bluefox83, http://rafb.net/paste/results/CTTv1C17.html, don't forget to add eth0 from you config |
| 16:43.11 | sifi | bluefox83, this is for the NAT server, the config I use myself |
| 16:43.25 | lgd_ | what e' the top software for create a clustering in linux? |
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| 16:43.44 | abrotman | lgd_: what kind of cluster? |
| 16:43.58 | lgd_ | boh |
| 16:44.02 | abrotman | boh ? |
| 16:44.09 | lgd_ | i don't know |
| 16:44.10 | abrotman | computational? or server |
| 16:44.19 | bluefox83 | sifi, i changed everything to match as best i could what you showed me the first time..and i happened to come out almost exactly what you just posted.. |
| 16:44.20 | lgd_ | server |
| 16:44.31 | abrotman | and what kind of server? |
| 16:44.34 | lgd_ | i want take a computer |
| 16:44.50 | lgd_ | create the net |
| 16:44.59 | lgd_ | in clustering |
| 16:45.06 | lgd_ | but i don't know |
| 16:45.07 | abrotman | !it |
| 16:45.07 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 16:45.21 | sifi | bluefox83, hmm, no gateway for eth1 for the nat server because it IS the gateway, then I don't know |
| 16:45.32 | bluefox83 | sifi, http://rafb.net/paste/results/nEPDvQ66.html <--s'what i have now |
| 16:46.22 | bluefox83 | that look about right? |
| 16:46.35 | sifi | bluefox83, that's ok |
| 16:46.49 | bluefox83 | sifi, i assume i have to do ifconfig now, is that right/ |
| 16:46.53 | bluefox83 | ? |
| 16:47.05 | sifi | bluefox83, /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 16:47.17 | bluefox83 | arg..alright.. |
| 16:48.16 | sifi | bluefox83, what is the output? |
| 16:48.22 | bluefox83 | hollycrap..i didn't d/c |
| 16:48.45 | sifi | bluefox83, did it found the eth1 dev? |
| 16:49.05 | bluefox83 | not that i can tell |
| 16:49.13 | bluefox83 | i'll paste the output in #flood |
| 16:49.23 | sifi | bluefox83, ok |
| 16:50.25 | bluefox83 | sifi, doesn't look like it to me... |
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| 16:51.31 | sifi | bluefox83, unknowed hardware address (or MAC) |
| 16:51.44 | bluefox83 | what does that mean O.o |
| 16:52.28 | bluefox83 | i always assumed that sit0 error was cus i don't have any sata raid drives installed |
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| 16:53.04 | zinx | erh, sit0 is a tunnel device |
| 16:53.15 | bluefox83 | what the heck O.o |
| 16:53.21 | bluefox83 | what kinda tunnel device? |
| 16:53.26 | sifi | bluefox83, well I don't know, but it could be that the NIC is broken, try it in some other OS if you can |
| 16:53.30 | bessel | ssh connections have been restricted by another admin to certain machines, how to change that? thanks! |
| 16:53.33 | dvs | bluefox83: through a network |
| 16:53.37 | zinx | bluefox83: generally, it's for ipv6 |
| 16:53.59 | bluefox83 | sifi, i don't HAVe any other OS's, just debian O=) |
| 16:54.36 | sifi | bluefox83, learn Debian and you will find the solution on this one |
| 16:54.42 | tarzeau | which debian? |
| 16:54.53 | bluefox83 | unstable 3.1 |
| 16:54.59 | tarzeau | but linux? kfreebsd? hurd? |
| 16:55.05 | bluefox83 | linux |
| 16:55.05 | sifi | bluefox83, ;), run sarge stable 3.1 |
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| 16:55.15 | bluefox83 | sifi, uh..no thank you |
| 16:55.19 | zinx | unstable is versionless :) |
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| 16:55.29 | sifi | bluefox83, why not? |
| 16:55.50 | bluefox83 | sifi, i enjoy getting new stuff and not having to wait a year+ to get new software :) |
| 16:56.07 | zinx | omg its so shiny |
| 16:56.11 | bessel | sorry was accidentally disconnected... ssh to my debian server was restricted to a few hosts by another root, i don't know how to change it back, please help, thanks. |
| 16:56.13 | bluefox83 | infact, unstable doesn't get it fast enough for me... |
| 16:56.26 | zinx | bluefox83: maybe you should try gentoo |
| 16:56.39 | Shadowcat | doesn't get it fast enough? |
| 16:56.44 | bluefox83 | zinx, no thanks, i don't want to wait 2 weeks while X compiles :) |
| 16:56.44 | Shadowcat | bluefox83: wtf is wrong with you |
| 16:56.52 | Shadowcat | do you even need all that new software? |
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| 16:56.54 | sifi | bluefox83, you have everything you need in stable sarge, you don't even know debian |
| 16:56.55 | zinx | bluefox83: debian's not about having the latest software :/ |
| 16:57.04 | bluefox83 | Shadowcat, lots of things...honestly |
| 16:57.05 | tarzeau | zinx: not? |
| 16:57.11 | Shadowcat | open source isn't about having the latest software |
| 16:57.15 | Shadowcat | if you want the latest and greatest |
| 16:57.17 | zinx | tarzeau: right, not. |
| 16:57.20 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: and it's about free software |
| 16:57.22 | tarzeau | zinx: which not? |
| 16:57.23 | Shadowcat | go run gentoo and start using ebuilds based off cvs |
| 16:57.34 | Shadowcat | and we'll see how long you last |
| 16:57.40 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: they have so many things NOT, that debian have |
| 16:57.48 | bluefox83 | actually..i am waiting for two things, specifically.. gaim-2.0.0 and enlightenment DR17 |
| 16:57.58 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: i've yet to see something that has more latest software than debian (sid/experimental) |
| 16:58.01 | Shadowcat | bluefox83: then either wait or compile it yourself |
| 16:58.11 | tarzeau | bluefox83: at least with debian you can do something about it |
| 16:58.13 | bluefox83 | Shadowcat, i'm waiting |
| 16:58.22 | Shadowcat | bluefox83: then stop bitching about it |
| 16:58.25 | sifi | bluefox83, ftp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ get stable sarge now! |
| 16:58.37 | Shadowcat | if you're too chicken to compile and build packages yourself |
| 16:58.47 | Tochy | alguien me dice un canal es español |
| 16:58.49 | Shadowcat | stop bitching about the repositories lagging by a few days |
| 16:58.51 | Shadowcat | !es |
| 16:58.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:58.52 | bluefox83 | sifi, no, i'm quite content with unstable |
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| 16:59.30 | zinx | bluefox83: So basically you want unreleased versions of software |
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| 16:59.45 | Shadowcat | he wants the latest and "greatest" |
| 16:59.52 | Shadowcat | yet doesn't want to do the work to get it |
| 17:00.00 | zinx | he wants shiny stuff with sharp bloody edges on it |
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| 17:00.13 | Maulkin | bluefox83: I'm sure someone on http://www.debian.org/consultants/ will be happy to create teh packages for you |
| 17:00.15 | Shadowcat | yet he's afraid to get cut |
| 17:00.30 | tarzeau | bluefox83: i do it if you play bubnbros with me! |
| 17:00.39 | zinx | a double-bladed knife is much better than a knife with a handle, especially when cutting carrots. |
| 17:00.40 | bluefox83 | actually...i HAVE downloaded and compiled gaim-2.0.0beta1 thank you very much |
| 17:00.44 | zinx | because it's newer! |
| 17:01.20 | sifi | bluefox83, you will get yourself in trouble with unstable |
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| 17:01.20 | Shadowcat | sifi: let him find that out |
| 17:01.20 | Shadowcat | and bitch when no one in here will help him |
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| 17:01.21 | zinx | especially if you go randomly installing your own packages without knowing how to do it properly |
| 17:01.21 | bluefox83 | sifi, been using it over a year, thanks |
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| 17:01.21 | Shadowcat | because unstable is NOT supported in here |
| 17:01.21 | sifi | Shadowcat, lol |
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| 17:02.00 | bluefox83 | if i install something not in the repository, i never come here to ask questions, i go hunt for the software maintainer :) |
| 17:02.09 | secher_ | does anyone know how to set MIME types in Firefox? their help has no heading for mime |
| 17:02.11 | sifi | bluefox83, Shadowcat is right, listen to him |
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| 17:02.44 | sifi | bluefox83, unstable was ok for 1,5 yrs ago for desktop users |
| 17:02.50 | Shadowcat | Maulkin: bluefox83 runs unstable because he wants the latest software |
| 17:02.59 | Shadowcat | Maulkin: then he says that unstable doesn't go fast enough for him |
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| 17:03.03 | Maulkin | ... |
| 17:03.05 | sifi | bluefox83, I mean testing |
| 17:03.06 | tarzeau | secher_: check mailcap and .mailcap |
| 17:03.07 | bluefox83 | sifi, in the two years i have been running unstable, i have never run across a package problem i couldn't get help for in here |
| 17:03.13 | tarzeau | secher_: it sucks to edit with an EDITOR |
| 17:03.18 | Shadowcat | Maulkin: after which someone recommended gentoo, and then he says that he doesn't want to wait for X to compile |
| 17:03.26 | tarzeau | secher_: because firefox sucks |
| 17:03.33 | Shadowcat | Maulkin: so basically, he's expecting cvs packages made for him |
| 17:03.36 | sifi | bluefox83, whick packages do you need from unstable anyway? |
| 17:04.02 | phaedrus_ | is ok to have just gcc 3.3 and not gcc 3.3 and gcc 4.0 ? |
| 17:04.13 | bluefox83 | sifi, not sure what you mean...i just use my usual stuff..xchat, xmms, icewm, blah blah blah...i don't have any problems with anything |
| 17:04.33 | secher_ | tarzeau: Thanks much |
| 17:04.41 | Maulkin | Shadowcat: what I don't get is bluefox83 has already said they've downloaded and compiles gaim-2.0.0beta1. So I'm just really not sure what they're complaining about IYSWIM. :P |
| 17:04.49 | bluefox83 | wouldn't mind if i could figure out how to get the mozilla-firefox icon back..but that's a minor inconvenience, nothing more |
| 17:04.53 | sifi | bluefox83, all that is perfect in stable |
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| 17:05.07 | sifi | bluefox83, +it's stable ;) |
| 17:05.10 | Shadowcat | you can't figure out how to make a mozilla icon? |
| 17:05.12 | Shadowcat | man |
| 17:05.17 | bluefox83 | Maulkin, i'm not complaining, everyone here just assumes i am.. |
| 17:05.40 | Shadowcat | it took me less than 2 min to create it again in KDE |
| 17:05.46 | bluefox83 | Shadowcat, i downloaded their icon and it was 280x280 pixels, i am not familiar enough with gimp to shrink down the pixels to 32x32 |
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| 17:05.59 | Maulkin | Lets all be friends! |
| 17:06.05 | Maulkin | (and stuff) |
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| 17:06.27 | goccia | there are mozilla icons in kde-look.org |
| 17:06.38 | goccia | no need to use gimp |
| 17:06.46 | bluefox83 | i downloaded their icons from their website |
| 17:07.10 | bluefox83 | and, since i don't use kde, why on earth would i think to look there? |
| 17:07.13 | phaedrus_ | damn damn |
| 17:07.28 | phaedrus_ | can i specify a gcc compiler to use when compiliing a module? |
| 17:07.33 | bluefox83 | yes |
| 17:07.43 | phaedrus_ | sweet how? |
| 17:07.54 | bluefox83 | define it in you rPATH |
| 17:08.16 | Maulkin | bluefox83: It's got more than KDE icons btw |
| 17:08.18 | rrk_ | anyone up for udev questions? |
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| 17:08.21 | danieldg | I have a lot of messages in syslog like this: "Dec 26 10:57:08 gamma kernel: Badness in as_insert_request at drivers/block/as-iosched.c:1519" with a backtrace for about 20 lines after. Is this a problem? |
| 17:08.30 | bluefox83 | Maulkin, i figured as much |
| 17:08.31 | Maulkin | phaedrus_: BTW, be craeful with rpaths :) |
| 17:08.39 | phaedrus_ | hehe |
| 17:08.46 | phaedrus_ | ok...ive already trashed it once |
| 17:08.48 | bluefox83 | lol Maulkin |
| 17:08.50 | phaedrus_ | ill be back layter |
| 17:08.59 | Maulkin | More precicely: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?RpathIssue |
| 17:09.03 | phaedrus_ | thanks |
| 17:09.08 | Maulkin | No probs |
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| 17:09.50 | Maulkin | That link goes over some of the main issues (apart from "you can break everything horribly") :P |
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| 17:11.06 | bluefox83 | s'why you use export...it's not a perminant change and as soon as you close out that session, everything reverts back to normal |
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| 17:11.47 | Maulkin | Well, yes, unless you run screen... |
| 17:11.57 | bluefox83 | maybe next time i am forced to shut my system down i will replace that second network card..that should solve the problem |
| 17:11.58 | Maulkin | Don't ask me how I know, I just know, ok? :) |
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| 17:12.36 | sifi | bluefox83, prolly |
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| 17:12.46 | eguzkia | hello |
| 17:12.52 | sifi | bluefox83, i/o errors is never good ;) |
| 17:13.17 | eguzkia | there are other applications to connect with a dial-up? |
| 17:13.24 | bluefox83 | sifi, should i perhaps turn off the ipv6 stuff? it's not like i need it or anything O.o |
| 17:13.36 | Eclipser | eguzkia, pppd? |
| 17:14.02 | eguzkia | Eclipser: doesen't work! |
| 17:14.11 | Eclipser | user incompentece |
| 17:14.13 | Eclipser | +n |
| 17:14.15 | eguzkia | Eclipser: for a smartlink modem? |
| 17:14.17 | sifi | bluefox83, and switch to stable btw, if you would be a developer I could understand why you would shoose unstable |
| 17:14.40 | sifi | bluefox83, install stable with a new NIC, that should do IT |
| 17:14.40 | Eclipser | eguzkia, don't ask me, I haven't had a modem since '97 or so... |
| 17:15.40 | eguzkia | i don't know kppp doesen't work |
| 17:15.40 | sifi | bluefox83, opinions? =) |
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| 17:16.04 | eguzkia | there is something else kppp to connect with a dial-up? |
| 17:16.04 | bluefox83 | sifi, i have no problems with unstable, why should i change to stable? |
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| 17:16.32 | sifi | bluefox83, gaaah =), no just use unstable |
| 17:16.49 | goccia | it depends : stable improves life quality |
| 17:16.50 | bluefox83 | sifi, besides, i would dearly like to become a developer, but i haven't the time o rthe programming knowledge, so poking around in broken stuff makes me feel somewhat useful :) |
| 17:16.52 | sifi | bluefox83, stable=stable, unstable=unstable ;) |
| 17:16.54 | eguzkia | kppp make the number and stop to work |
| 17:17.38 | sifi | bluefox83, good luck anyway with the NAT stuffs |
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| 17:18.08 | bluefox83 | sifi, thanks, you were helpful..i believe my only problem now is my NIC card |
| 17:18.24 | bluefox83 | picking up from there will be a breeze |
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| 17:19.30 | rrk_ | anyone understand udev? |
| 17:20.14 | goccia | a million dollar question |
| 17:20.25 | sifi | !dpkg udev |
| 17:20.25 | dpkg | hmm... udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable |
| 17:20.45 | golya | Hi! My dvd writing is slow with growisofs (can write up to at 4* speed, however my disk and writer supports *8) on debian/sid. Can someone help, or redirect me where to search? |
| 17:20.53 | goccia | i hope to get to next thing and to avoid udev , i really hope |
| 17:21.06 | golya | !dpkg growisofs |
| 17:21.07 | dpkg | http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ |
| 17:21.31 | abrotman | golya: does the media |
| 17:21.36 | goccia | i stay with deprecated and with my brandy :) |
| 17:21.36 | abrotman | rrk_: that's a little vague |
| 17:21.47 | rrk_ | i have a timing problem with udev -- need to figure out some rules for md devices |
| 17:21.51 | golya | abrotman: Yes, and I can write at 8* speed under windows |
| 17:22.03 | eguzkia | someone use kppp to connect to internet? |
| 17:22.31 | goccia | eguzkia: 56k modem ? |
| 17:22.37 | eguzkia | goccia: yes |
| 17:22.47 | sifi | eguzkia, pppoeconf here |
| 17:22.48 | rrk_ | software raid the main / partition comes up ok but the other 3 don't get made soon enough |
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| 17:22.57 | abrotman | #debian-kde ? |
| 17:22.59 | goccia | i remeber it worked |
| 17:23.06 | encompass | howdy all |
| 17:23.15 | abrotman | golya: what program for burnning ? |
| 17:23.22 | encompass | I am trying to see oldnavy.com and it is not letting me get in cause I have Linux |
| 17:23.27 | golya | growisofs, as I wrote :) |
| 17:23.39 | encompass | how can I duup their servers to let me in? |
| 17:23.40 | sifi | encompass, really? |
| 17:23.45 | encompass | they say they support firefox |
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| 17:23.47 | abrotman | you burn with growisofs ? |
| 17:23.53 | encompass | yeah, try it |
| 17:24.01 | golya | yes, what else can I use? |
| 17:24.05 | sifi | encompass, prolly ff then |
| 17:24.10 | golya | I have a ready made iso file... |
| 17:24.11 | encompass | what? |
| 17:24.15 | abrotman | encompass: they don't support win32 opera either |
| 17:24.16 | encompass | but how |
| 17:24.22 | encompass | sucks |
| 17:24.27 | paulswm | golya: I use growisofs too, and I get 8x with it, version on etch |
| 17:24.38 | encompass | why, firefox is firefox |
| 17:24.45 | abrotman | encompass: write them an email |
| 17:24.46 | sifi | encompass, ff is gecko |
| 17:24.50 | golya | paulswm: Hm, that what should I try? |
| 17:24.50 | encompass | can't |
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| 17:24.59 | encompass | the costumer service give me the same error |
| 17:25.00 | encompass | sucks |
| 17:25.17 | abrotman | haha .. |
| 17:25.20 | encompass | but I know there is a way to duup the browser, I just don't know how |
| 17:25.24 | paulswm | golya: But it depends on the media, if the dvds themselves are coded as 4x, you'll only get 4x no matter what the actula drive supports |
| 17:25.46 | abrotman | encompass: ask on irc.mozilla.org |
| 17:25.48 | golya | paulswm: I can write 8* under win |
| 17:25.52 | encompass | ok thnaks |
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| 17:27.36 | goccia | eguzkia: it works : i found some config made on the 050829 : do it manually editing files in /etc/ppp |
| 17:27.38 | abrotman | !tell Lxy_Home about root |
| 17:28.02 | blondie | !tell abrotman about paranoia |
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| 17:30.00 | marc_in_lux | good evening |
| 17:30.06 | deeLer | goodevening |
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| 17:30.24 | marc_in_lux | I moved my / around, from lvm to a standard ext3 partition |
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| 17:30.42 | marc_in_lux | What do I need to tell Debian about that, except for grub? |
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| 17:30.58 | paulswm | golya: I think that growisofs uses /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord, so check that speed in there is set to -1 |
| 17:31.15 | marc_in_lux | I found it seems to recreate the old grub config when changing kernels |
| 17:31.22 | paulswm | golya: And I assume that you're burning as root |
| 17:31.34 | secher_ | ok, this is odd. I just apt-getted bittornado-gui, and there's no executable, no man page, nothing. how do I start the bittornado gui? |
| 17:31.36 | golya | paulswm: no, AFAIK it uses a builtin dd |
| 17:31.48 | golya | paulswm: yes, you're right, buring as root... |
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| 17:32.55 | goccia | secher_: it is called /usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado |
| 17:33.05 | |V\oNK | whats the package that has ipv6 in it? im trying to remove it |
| 17:33.15 | secher_ | gocccia: Thanks much. |
| 17:33.24 | goccia | secher_: np |
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| 17:34.23 | paulswm | golya: Then I don't know, I haven't had that problem with the version in etch, it's always chosen the correct speed for me, using an ATAPI drive specified as /dev/dvd |
| 17:34.32 | deeLer | does the updated install iso have betterhardware detection compared to the 3.1r0 ? |
| 17:34.33 | VoltronRex | this is probably the dumbest question ever, but which package provides XML::Parser for Perl? |
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| 17:35.02 | paulswm | golya: Actually, though, I haven't been using growisofs as root, only cdrecord as root when burning CDs |
| 17:35.21 | golya | ok, than any other options to burn a dvd? |
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| 17:36.26 | dvs | deeLer: No, it's mainly bug fixes |
| 17:36.26 | saloxin | VoltronRex: libxml-parser-perl :-) |
| 17:37.11 | VoltronRex | thanks. when I do apt-cache search xml | grep perl there appear to be about 10 options! |
| 17:37.23 | saloxin | VoltronRex: also check out dh-make-perl, which can grab straight from cpan and generate .debs |
| 17:37.49 | paulswm | VoltronRex: I think it's libxml-parser-perl |
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| 17:38.03 | paulswm | In fact, I'm sure it is |
| 17:38.12 | VoltronRex | yeah, it's installing now, thanks |
| 17:39.00 | paulswm | golya: dvdrecord |
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| 17:40.43 | golya | paulswm: I cannot find the package, which belongs to dvdrecord |
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| 17:41.24 | golya | !dpkg dvdrecord |
| 17:41.25 | dpkg | i heard dvdrecord is For real support, use growisofs from dvd+rw-tools,cdrecord(-ProDVD) |
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| 17:42.00 | paulswm | golya: it's in dvdrtools, never used it though |
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| 17:42.23 | golya | !dpkg dvdrtools |
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| 17:43.24 | ion | hiya I wonder if somebody can help me how to use gcc 4.0 I'm learning c++ and I just run a simple 'hello world" |
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| 17:43.38 | paulswm | golya: It's in non-free: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=dvdrtools&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
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| 17:44.21 | abrotman | blondie: WHO .. WHAT ???? |
| 17:44.30 | paulswm | golya: But I've never used it, so I can't vouch for it |
| 17:44.41 | golya | ok, will try it... |
| 17:44.57 | ion | In linux it seems quite difficult job.... |
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| 17:45.27 | golya | ion: what about: g++ -o helloworld helloworld.cxx |
| 17:45.48 | blondie | fgs |
| 17:45.53 | blondie | abrotman: umm? |
| 17:46.07 | Daffy-PKF | one stupid question: how can i do so that fbsetbg pick up a background randomly in a directory, but doesn't stretch it to the size of the screen? (i'd like the image to keep its original size) |
| 17:46.14 | blondie | why do packages have to provide poxy html docs |
| 17:46.17 | ke6isf | golya: What's so hard about it? |
| 17:46.21 | blondie | I want man pages dammit |
| 17:46.35 | golya | ke6isf: hard about what?\ |
| 17:46.46 | ke6isf | golya: Sorry, meant ion. |
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| 17:46.56 | ke6isf | ion: What's so hard about using gcc4? |
| 17:46.57 | golya | dont ment-ion it :) |
| 17:46.58 | ion | golya:well I wanna take from plain tex to run on the screen |
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| 17:47.49 | ion | I had save as hello world.ccp |
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| 17:48.09 | ion | but now how shall I run it....? |
| 17:48.18 | dvs | ion: gcc -o helloworld "hello world.cpp" |
| 17:48.25 | paulswm | @gampsmack golya |
| 17:48.33 | paulswm | !gampsmack golya |
| 17:48.35 | dvs | ion: ./helloworld |
| 17:48.50 | zinx | !be a gcc4 barbie |
| 17:48.50 | dpkg | Aww, gcc4 is hard! Let's go shopping, zinx |
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| 17:48.56 | paulswm | For the '-ion' groaner :P |
| 17:49.02 | paulswm | golya: For the '-ion' groaner :P |
| 17:49.22 | paulswm | dammit, I can't type worth a crap today |
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| 17:49.48 | golya | How can I list those valuable commands to dpkg? :) |
| 17:49.58 | ion | but how about all that steps which I have to take on windows to make .exe file? |
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| 17:50.26 | ke6isf | golya: You can msg the bot, or you can prefix the command with an exclamation point if you need to broadcast it to the channel. |
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| 17:51.14 | paulswm | golya: /msg dpkg help, you can then use listkeys or listvals to look for partial names or for contents |
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| 17:52.42 | paulswm | blondie: I use man2html so I can read man pages as html :P |
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| 17:52.50 | ion | I don't know how that works on linux at all.....please someone tell me step by step? |
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| 17:53.56 | golya | !be a computer barbie |
| 17:53.56 | dpkg | Aww, computer is hard! Let's go shopping, golya |
| 17:54.02 | ion | or give any clue where shall I find that information on the net,please |
| 17:54.17 | golya | !tell ion gcc |
| 17:54.17 | ke6isf | ion: Do you know C? |
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| 17:55.04 | Supaplex | Are inodes stored on a per directory basis? (inode table/group) How many entires are stored for a directory before they start using indirect blocks? |
| 17:55.19 | ion | golya: I had been there but didn't help me a lot... |
| 17:55.20 | golya | Oh, dear, dvdbackup is _SLOW_! |
| 17:55.42 | ion | ke6isf: no I don't.... |
| 17:56.07 | ke6isf | ion: OK. First, to use gcc, you have to know C. That is beyond the scope of this channel, so I highly recommend buying a book. |
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| 17:56.47 | ke6isf | ion: Rephrase. You don't *have* to know C, but it becomes really useful. |
| 17:56.57 | paulswm | ion: If you are looking for how to use gcc, then 'man gcc', if you don't know a programming language then google for tutorials or, like ke6isf says, get books |
| 17:57.09 | ion | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.30 | dvs | to use gcc?!? |
| 17:57.35 | Daffy-PKF | ok, i'll ask it differently: how can i do to set my background with a random image taken from a directory, and that the image is not resized, and displayed centered? |
| 17:57.37 | cmdKeen | tarzeau, Eulex what about Bub Bros ? I forced friend to download... ;] |
| 17:57.40 | goccia | golya: need to shrink quickly and easy ? k9copy ... |
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| 17:58.06 | golya | goccia: No shrinking at all, just for a simple copy... |
| 17:58.09 | ke6isf | *sigh* |
| 17:58.13 | ke6isf | Monday is the new Sunday. |
| 17:58.16 | paulswm | Heh ke6isf |
| 17:58.28 | tarzeau | cmdKeen: lol, addicts! i've got so bubbly headache, but let me change levelset, and we play few rounds |
| 17:58.34 | dvs | ke6isf: Can I sleep in every Monday now? |
| 17:58.34 | ion | I did use man gcc on my terminal.....but wasn't too helpfull |
| 17:58.56 | cmdKeen | tarzeau, :D yep, I now fully understand what 'addiction' means;) |
| 17:59.08 | ke6isf | dvs: Well, in here. But then again, it's always Sunday here. =^_^= |
| 17:59.22 | tarzeau | cmdKeen: :) |
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| 17:59.50 | deeLer_ | can someone tell me brief what udev is , compared to the standard /dev ??? |
| 17:59.58 | ion | I wonder if the procedure is the same as windows to make a .exe file |
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| 18:00.02 | paulswm | ke6isf: [A-Z].*day is the new Sunday :P |
| 18:00.03 | tarzeau | takatumi, Eulex? |
| 18:00.11 | blondie | hmm, where is "ntpd" in debian with "ntp" installed? :( |
| 18:00.13 | ke6isf | !always sunday |
| 18:00.13 | dpkg | Just as it's always September, somewhere, out on the internet, it's always Sunday here in #debian. |
| 18:00.17 | tarzeau | cmdKeen: you're firebug? |
| 18:00.23 | cmdKeen | nope, that;s friens |
| 18:00.31 | cmdKeen | s/friens/friend/ |
| 18:00.38 | blondie | oh |
| 18:00.48 | blondie | silly me |
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| 18:01.07 | ion | just tell me which road shall I take guys.... |
| 18:01.13 | blondie | the M25 |
| 18:01.43 | ke6isf | ion: Read the man page. |
| 18:01.45 | tarzeau | MY BUBBLES - MY DIAMONDS! |
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| 18:01.55 | dvs | ke6isf: He did but he said it wasn't helpful |
| 18:02.03 | Thaiger | I'm trying to compile xine-ui since its not in testing, but it tells me that I need the X11 build dependencies. If I'm using xorg what package might that be? |
| 18:02.17 | ke6isf | ion: Read books. Read tutorials. "gcc filename". It Just Works. |
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| 18:03.20 | paulswm | There are plenty of tutorials on the web, just google or buy books, knowledge doesn't suddenly appear my magic |
| 18:04.16 | ion | ke6isf:all right I'll do my best....thanks anyway...... |
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| 18:04.50 | estel | hi |
| 18:05.09 | estel | where can i get informations about the status of packages like k3b in testing? |
| 18:05.23 | tarzeau | !bts |
| 18:05.23 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 18:05.37 | ke6isf | !btssmite estel |
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| 18:06.37 | estel | thank you :) |
| 18:06.40 | N3m | how can i delete a package from dpkg's database? ( not remvoe it, the package isn't installed ) |
| 18:07.05 | tarzeau | N3m: --purge |
| 18:07.12 | tarzeau | N3m: but that'll also get rid of its configuration |
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| 18:07.41 | ke6isf | tarzeau: --purge only works on installed packages, doesn't it? |
| 18:07.48 | tarzeau | ke6isf: no |
| 18:07.55 | PupenoL | Hello. |
| 18:08.20 | Bac0n | i have a problem with a sata controller .... when a boot sata becomes ide0, ide1 i like it to be ide6, 7 is there a way to force that ? |
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| 18:08.49 | marc_in_lux | i can put /var on a mounted fs, right? |
| 18:08.50 | jauregi | hi! |
| 18:09.07 | ke6isf | marc_in_lux: Well, yeah, you could. |
| 18:09.21 | marc_in_lux | why 'could'. Is there a disadvantage to it? |
| 18:09.26 | jauregi | does anybody work with interactive data language? |
| 18:10.00 | ke6isf | marc_in_lux: Not sure. If the disk dies you lose /var, but that's the same with any directory such as that what is mounted similarly. |
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| 18:10.23 | marc_in_lux | ke6isf, actually aiming to mount pretty much everything on raid |
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| 18:10.45 | marc_in_lux | stuff like /usr,/var,/root, /home... |
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| 18:11.10 | marc_in_lux | if it weren't for /etc I could fit / on to a CD |
| 18:11.11 | mushroomprince | hello room |
| 18:11.19 | ke6isf | marc_in_lux: My suggestion in that case would be to put /home and extra storage on the raid. That way you don't lose the whole install if the raid croaks. |
| 18:11.23 | paulswm | marc_in_lux: If you mean can you mount a separate filesystem on /var, yes, in fact that's normal as it protects the root fs from filling up if something's writing huge amounts of stuff to /var |
| 18:11.25 | mushroomprince | i've got an issue :/ |
| 18:11.32 | ke6isf | mushroomprince: Just ask yourquestion. |
| 18:11.39 | MikeDub | if i'm going to take a 10 gig drive with FAT32 on it, what should i watch out for when i connect it to my debian system? |
| 18:11.46 | MikeDub | anything i should keep in mind? |
| 18:12.00 | marc_in_lux | I need to init 1 to move var, though - right? |
| 18:12.34 | ke6isf | marc_in_lux: Of course. |
| 18:12.36 | paulswm | marc_in_lux: I would,yes. Get down to single user, copy the contents of /var to the new fs, mount it on /var |
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| 18:12.49 | cmdKeen | tarzeau, impressive |
| 18:12.55 | tarzeau | cmdKeen: fun eh ? :) |
| 18:13.03 | tarzeau | cmdKeen: firebug should unselect green dragon |
| 18:13.07 | tarzeau | cmdKeen: click it bottom right |
| 18:13.21 | marc_in_lux | is there a good reason, btw, to _not_ have ssh someplace so I can use it during single user? |
| 18:13.36 | marc_in_lux | in this case, I can walk over to the server... but sometimes I cannot |
| 18:13.39 | paulswm | marc_in_lux: Of course. delete the suff from old /var before mounting the new one on /var |
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| 18:13.47 | paulswm | stuff* |
| 18:13.51 | mushroomprince | i'm booted live as root into mepis, i have two harddrives one I use for mepis the other I use for windows |
| 18:13.55 | mushroomprince | i dual boot between the two |
| 18:14.01 | bucky | !mepis |
| 18:14.01 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 18:14.13 | mushroomprince | and for some reason it wont let me copy files from my mepis hd to my windows hd |
| 18:14.19 | mushroomprince | or any of my other disks for that matter |
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| 18:15.07 | tarzeau | cmdKeen: bottom right, not left ;) |
| 18:15.18 | cmdKeen | tarzeau, it's not on my PC |
| 18:15.27 | cmdKeen | tarzeau, he's... you know, windows user :-P |
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| 18:16.02 | ke6isf | mushroomprince: We can't help you. Ask in #mepis. |
| 18:16.05 | tarzeau | heh |
| 18:16.14 | naoshige | what's wrong with this? extension=`echo "$old" | sed -e 's/\....$/\n&/' | grep '^\....$'` |
| 18:16.31 | N3m | tarteau: purge is not what i am searching for. My package isn't installed on the system. i created it with checkinstall, but it didn't work, so i deleted it and created a new one. but now there ar both packages in the database. ( only one installed ) |
| 18:16.32 | mushroomprince | my mistake, I thought i WAS in #mepis |
| 18:17.53 | mushroomprince | *sigh* maybe I should just install debian |
| 18:17.58 | marc_in_lux | When I move my /, where do I need to tell debian - except grub? |
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| 18:18.16 | Kvant | /etc/fstab ? |
| 18:18.28 | marc_in_lux | Kvant, yes - done that |
| 18:18.47 | marc_in_lux | but apt-get dist-upgrade 2 days later installed kernel-headers and overwrote grub |
| 18:18.58 | Eulex | tarzeau, cmdKeen, sorry, got relatives here |
| 18:19.02 | ke6isf | mushroomprince: Wouldn't hurt a bit, that's for sure. |
| 18:19.08 | tarzeau | Eulex: make them play also ;) |
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| 18:19.36 | mushroomprince | ke6isf, I have a bad habbit of messing up linux distros. Obviously I'm not very good with the system if I'm running mepis |
| 18:19.41 | cmdKeen | Eulex, exactly |
| 18:20.09 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 18:20.12 | ke6isf | mushroomprince: It's not really that, it's more that Mepis, as the factoid above states, is derived from Debian Unstable - which is a really bad thing to run if you are feeling clumsy. |
| 18:20.24 | cmdKeen | Eulex, tarzeau oh no, I am loser again:-/ |
| 18:20.37 | Shadowcat | I have now installed over seven different antivirus products from five companies on this test box of mine |
| 18:20.50 | mushroomprince | ke6isf, how difficult is it to configure grub from debian ? |
| 18:20.52 | tarzeau | cmdKeen: you need to play smarter, don't kill monster, concentrate on the fruits like BANANA |
| 18:20.56 | Shadowcat | the registry on this vmware test box must be shot |
| 18:20.59 | sepski | Shadowcat, not at the same time i hope ? |
| 18:21.02 | tarzeau | cmdKeen: not killing monsters gives the points but the fruits. it's really simple |
| 18:21.10 | Shadowcat | sepski: I'm trying one after the other |
| 18:21.13 | ke6isf | mushroomprince: It Just Works. =^_^= |
| 18:21.22 | sepski | Shadowcat, whith is the best ? |
| 18:21.30 | Shadowcat | sepski: they all suck |
| 18:21.34 | Shadowcat | basically |
| 18:21.38 | sepski | hmm try 7 at the same time then :) |
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| 18:21.43 | Shadowcat | you either have antivirus vendors playing firewall vendors |
| 18:21.49 | goccia | tried avast ? |
| 18:21.49 | Shadowcat | or firewall vendors playing antivirus |
| 18:21.55 | sepski | Shadowcat, tried nod32 ? |
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| 18:22.10 | dvs | Shadowcat: or both (Microsoft) ;-) |
| 18:22.12 | mushroomprince | I already have grub installed on my master hd, could I just install debian on the hd that my mepis install was on? |
| 18:22.32 | Shadowcat | no not yet |
| 18:22.36 | tarzeau | also share good items like shoe/magic mushroom, by bubbling it first then taking it |
| 18:22.36 | Shadowcat | I'm currently on BitDefender |
| 18:22.39 | Eulex | umh, grandfathers and grandmothers |
| 18:23.02 | dvs | mushroomprince: the debian install with reconfigure grub for itself. |
| 18:24.12 | Shadowcat | also |
| 18:24.28 | Shadowcat | I've discovered that there isn't a single antivirus/firewall app that doesn't use a skin |
| 18:24.31 | Shadowcat | I want protection |
| 18:24.32 | Shadowcat | not luna |
| 18:24.39 | Shadowcat | or aqua for that matter |
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| 18:24.46 | bucky | use a rubber |
| 18:24.48 | Luftzig | i get this error when starting new term-session: shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
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| 18:24.57 | goccia | there is a clamavis for windows too |
| 18:25.32 | bucky | AVG, SpyBot and AdAware |
| 18:26.13 | Shadowcat | right now I'm running Norton+Outpost |
| 18:26.25 | Shadowcat | I was _hoping_ to get something a bit better than Norton/Symantec |
| 18:26.29 | Shadowcat | that is proving to be elusive though |
| 18:26.43 | CalJohn | Shadowcat: a friend of mine has a computer with a skinnable printing program |
| 18:26.49 | rambo3 | pc cillin |
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| 18:26.54 | CalJohn | Lexmark something or other |
| 18:26.55 | Shadowcat | CalJohn: that's just not necessary |
| 18:27.06 | Shadowcat | then again |
| 18:27.15 | Shadowcat | everything in Windblows is skinned these days |
| 18:27.21 | Shadowcat | even the Creative playcenter |
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| 18:28.04 | Luftzig | anyone? It's well, quite alarming |
| 18:28.07 | goccia | anyway antivir clamscan included are useless : i found a virii-backdoor in a p2p game called crack.exe undetected by all so what make an antivir is a free and easy update : for all i know avast is free and ok |
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| 18:28.27 | goccia | but useless |
| 18:28.32 | bucky | Luftzig, i've heard of that before... custom kernel? |
| 18:28.45 | Luftzig | bucky, stock |
| 18:28.50 | CalJohn | sometimes its useful if all programs under a widget set are centrally skinned |
| 18:28.57 | CalJohn | ie gtk/qt |
| 18:28.57 | bucky | Luftzig, which version of debian |
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| 18:29.16 | Luftzig | and It worked fine untill now. Etch |
| 18:29.16 | CalJohn | then you can adjust font sizes universally, set to white on black etc |
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| 18:29.26 | N3m | can any one tell me how to delete a package from the dpkg database |
| 18:29.28 | N3m | ? |
| 18:29.32 | Gregor0 | german debian channel exiting? |
| 18:29.38 | Gregor0 | *existing? |
| 18:29.44 | Maulkin | N3m: What do you want to do? |
| 18:29.51 | Eulex | !de |
| 18:29.51 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 18:30.04 | Maulkin | N3m: ie: do you want to reconfigure a package? |
| 18:30.06 | Gregor0 | thanks |
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| 18:30.20 | N3m | i created a package via checkinstall, but the package didn't work. so i deleted it |
| 18:30.43 | N3m | but the package is still ( with status: not installed ) in the database |
| 18:30.53 | Luftzig | trying tab completation gives: symlink-hook: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
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| 18:31.16 | Shadowcat | great |
| 18:31.22 | Shadowcat | so now etch has a broken kernel too |
| 18:31.24 | Shadowcat | *sigh* |
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| 18:32.09 | dvs | Shadowcat: Which version? |
| 18:32.20 | Shadowcat | I'm following Luftzig's conversation |
| 18:32.43 | Luftzig | ah, ok, I think I know what it is. the shell cannot locate my /home. I moved it today to a different drive |
| 18:32.53 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 18:32.54 | Shadowcat | pebkac |
| 18:32.57 | Shadowcat | so mount it properly |
| 18:33.06 | N3m | Maulkin: no idea? |
| 18:33.10 | paulswm | Luftzig: Heh, I was just going to ask you if the default directory actually existed |
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| 18:33.26 | Maulkin | N3m: You'll need to edit the files /var/lib/dpkg |
| 18:33.30 | Luftzig | Shadowcat, it is mounted properly... I using it! |
| 18:33.31 | CalJohn | N3m: edit the text file |
| 18:33.46 | Maulkin | N3m: And teh moral of the story is: be very careful with packaging :) |
| 18:33.46 | CalJohn | be careful though, you can bork yourself quite easily |
| 18:33.55 | SimonRaven | .../dpkg/info/ |
| 18:34.05 | N3m | hhmm ok |
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| 18:34.44 | bucky | i just noticed that all of Ubuntu's paste bin is getting posted to google |
| 18:34.58 | bucky | that's real proffessional |
| 18:35.05 | paulswm | Heh, indeed |
| 18:35.10 | goccia | top |
| 18:35.13 | CalJohn | how do I change the index.html apache loads by default? the debian config files are slightly different from the upstream ones |
| 18:35.14 | MikeDub | heh |
| 18:35.25 | xsdg | goccia: Mem: 16M |
| 18:35.29 | Mr_Morden | anyone can help to unpack courier authlib file? It extension is bz2 but when I use "bunzip2" I just get "bunzip2: courier-authlib-0.58.tar.bz2 is not a bzip2 file. |
| 18:35.35 | Maulkin | CalJohn: it's in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 18:35.36 | goccia | xsdg: hihihi :) |
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| 18:35.48 | Luftzig | paulswm, /home/user exist, and mounted, and everything seemed well. cd ~ stops the error msgs |
| 18:35.48 | paulswm | Like there's not enough crap on google already |
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| 18:35.56 | Maulkin | CalJohn: Search for DirectoryIndex |
| 18:36.06 | CalJohn | Maulkin: whoops, I meant apache2 |
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| 18:36.28 | Maulkin | /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ? |
| 18:36.37 | paulswm | Luftzig: So whetever it's trying to get to at first doesn't exist, maybe you're missing a symlink or something |
| 18:36.43 | bucky | CalJohn, comment out RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default and restart apache |
| 18:36.56 | CalJohn | thankyou guys |
| 18:37.03 | paulswm | Luftzig: Or a symlink is broken |
| 18:37.05 | bucky | CalJohn, cat /etc/apache2/README |
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| 18:37.43 | paulswm | Luftzig: But that message means that whtever it's trying to set the current directory to doesn't exist |
| 18:37.55 | Mr_Morden | no one has a suggestion regarding the courier authlib file? |
| 18:38.09 | anonomouse | can anyone point me to any info on how i can get my battery status working? |
| 18:38.33 | paulswm | Mr_Morden: What does 'file courier-authlib-0.58.tar.bz2' say? |
| 18:38.36 | Luftzig | paulswm, I had to term running when I moved /home and remounted it. possible it's still exepcts to find the old /home? |
| 18:38.52 | Mr_Morden | courier-authlib-0.58.tar.bz2: HTML document text |
| 18:39.30 | paulswm | Luftzig: Yes, if new terms work |
| 18:39.45 | blondie | Mr_Morden: "view" it |
| 18:39.51 | paulswm | Mr_Morden: Then it's an HTML file, not a bz2 file |
| 18:40.05 | Mr_Morden | well, I downloaded the file by wget from courier site |
| 18:40.12 | goccia | Luftzig: i have a question for you : when mtab is rewritten ? |
| 18:40.21 | Luftzig | paulswm, the old term works great, new ones not. |
| 18:40.31 | Luftzig | goccia, don't have a clue |
| 18:40.32 | Mr_Morden | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/courier/courier-authlib-0.58.tar.bz2 |
| 18:40.32 | abrotman | anonomouse: acpi |
| 18:40.34 | paulswm | Mr_Morden: follow blondie's advice. |
| 18:40.35 | goccia | is a rreal question . no joke |
| 18:40.39 | Mr_Morden | will do so :) |
| 18:40.45 | goccia | Luftzig: me too :) |
| 18:41.12 | paulswm | Luftzig: Then the new terms are trying to make current a directory which doesn't exist, either directly or via a broken or non-existent symlink |
| 18:41.16 | Luftzig | goccia, mtab points to the right place... |
| 18:41.18 | goccia | Luftzig: i follow you and you make me thinking |
| 18:41.37 | goccia | i mean the grub fstab thing |
| 18:41.53 | paulswm | !wb golya |
| 18:41.53 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! golya has returned! |
| 18:41.57 | anonomouse | abrotman: when i cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state i just says error: unable to read battery status |
| 18:42.06 | abrotman | anonomouse: is it a laptop? |
| 18:42.06 | jauregi | does anybody play typespeed? |
| 18:42.17 | paulswm | tarzeau: ^^^^ |
| 18:42.18 | paulswm | :P |
| 18:42.19 | golya | :-P |
| 18:42.26 | tarzeau | jauregi: busy with #bub-n-bros |
| 18:42.29 | tarzeau | http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 18:42.35 | jauregi | :DDDDD |
| 18:42.41 | goccia | Luftzig: i don't know any other places with path to devices |
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| 18:42.45 | Luftzig | goccia, fstab: /dev/hdb1 /home ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 18:42.45 | anonomouse | abrotman: yes |
| 18:42.47 | abrotman | anonomouse: alternately .. is the battery module loaded ? |
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| 18:42.58 | paulswm | !bubnbrossmite tarzeau |
| 18:43.03 | anonomouse | abrotman: let me see.. what would it be called? |
| 18:43.15 | Shadowcat | it's called battery |
| 18:43.26 | Shadowcat | lsmod | grep battery |
| 18:43.28 | bucky | anonomouse, cat /boot/config-`uname -r` |grep BAT |
| 18:43.33 | bucky | is it in the kernel |
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| 18:43.38 | paulswm | !tell programm about away |
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| 18:45.29 | sonyman | Does anyone know what could cause this error? "/usr/bin/which: line 41: printf: write error: Broken pipe" |
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| 18:45.49 | abrotman | sonyman: call The Plumber! |
| 18:45.59 | sonyman | lol |
| 18:46.12 | Maulkin | sonyman: Your PATH could be empty |
| 18:46.20 | goccia | Luftzig: so : you are moving stuff around , mounting and deleting , ok , what about mtab , i guess is a reboot problem, and if is not how is it ? |
| 18:46.28 | sonyman | Maulkin, ? (newbie here) |
| 18:46.42 | anonomouse | bucky: CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=m |
| 18:46.46 | Maulkin | Actually, no, it shoudn't be that... |
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| 18:46.59 | abrotman | anonomouse: lsmod | grep bat |
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| 18:47.06 | bucky | anonomouse, modprobe battery |
| 18:47.10 | sonyman | I'm getting that error when running the "autodetect" tool in cedega, which runs a script detecting kernel/driver versions |
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| 18:47.37 | anonomouse | battery 9604 0 |
| 18:47.41 | debian_pwnz | if my bios disables the onboard agp card if another video card is plugged in, how can i make it work with both cards? |
| 18:47.44 | Maulkin | sonyman: It looks like it can't write to stdout |
| 18:47.53 | sonyman | Maulkin, how can I fix it? |
| 18:47.57 | Shadowcat | debian_pwnz: you can't |
| 18:48.03 | debian_pwnz | aweee shit |
| 18:48.03 | abrotman | anonomouse: how old is this laptop ? |
| 18:48.06 | overflow | Hi, does jigdo resolve packages dependencies ? |
| 18:48.07 | anonomouse | new |
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| 18:48.13 | anonomouse | month old |
| 18:48.22 | Maulkin | sonyman: No idea. It'll be something in the parent script |
| 18:48.29 | anonomouse | it has a sony battery |
| 18:48.49 | anonomouse | the laptop its self is an acer |
| 18:48.51 | Luftzig | goccia, I think it's a reboot problem too... /home is still /home, only a different device is mounted there... which is not of the terminal concern... can I restart bash through init.d? |
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| 18:49.01 | debian_pwnz | Shadowcat, there is a bios option that says video rom sequence thingy agp/pci or pci/agp, it is on agp/pci right now, what does this do? |
| 18:49.23 | Maulkin | sonyman: It's not in Debian, so we can't really support it I'm afraid. |
| 18:49.25 | sonyman | Maulkin, it worked fine before I reinstalled Debian |
| 18:49.29 | Maulkin | sonyman: try #cedega |
| 18:49.33 | sonyman | I have tried |
| 18:49.36 | sonyman | they don't know |
| 18:49.58 | Maulkin | sonyman: We're less likley to know, we don't have experience of cedega at all. It's non-free |
| 18:50.09 | abrotman | anonomouse: do any other acpi items work ? |
| 18:50.11 | sonyman | Maulkin, the thing is, the script ran fine yesterday with basically the same setup, before I had to reinstall debian. I was thinking it was a problem with my debian installation |
| 18:50.27 | anonomouse | abrotman: yes all but state |
| 18:50.34 | goccia | Luftzig: i'm really interestd in this question , i use to copy . replacing a lot, but i always do the dumb way : rebooting , i am interested in what you are doing :) |
| 18:50.44 | Mr_Morden | anyone here has experience with tmda? |
| 18:50.47 | abrotman | anonomouse: what happens when you cat it ? |
| 18:50.54 | anonomouse | i get that error |
| 18:51.11 | Shadowcat | what acer laptop is this? |
| 18:51.12 | anonomouse | present: yes |
| 18:51.14 | anonomouse | ERROR: Unable to read battery status |
| 18:51.25 | mte_ | hello..i've just configured pppoe and ifconfig says i'm connected (i get an ip from my isp), but ping my_nameserver returns destination host unreachable. I guess there is some routing problem because the "From: " includes my lan ip, not external one. How to fix this? |
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| 18:53.04 | Luftzig | goccia, I backed-up /home and hdb1, formated hdb1, moved /home to it, deleted everything in home, umount hdb1, and added the fstab line, and mounted again |
| 18:53.10 | bibe | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.17 | anonomouse | abrotman: any ideas? |
| 18:53.34 | Eulex | anonomouse, what kernel? |
| 18:53.38 | anonomouse | 2.6 |
| 18:53.44 | Eulex | 2.6.x? |
| 18:53.53 | anonomouse | 12 |
| 18:53.59 | Eulex | hmm, ok |
| 18:54.40 | Luftzig | goccia, I had some problem, as I moved /home to /mnt/hdb1 i ended up with /mnt/hdb1/home, and after mounting as home - /home/home. so I just moved the second home to the first, and everything seemed fine |
| 18:54.53 | goccia | Luftzig: ok ok, i remeber an how to on using tar intead of dd , it needs to do more on var |
| 18:54.54 | Luftzig | 'till now, that's it |
| 18:54.56 | paulswm | anonomouse: What Acer laptop? It could be a BIOS issue |
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| 18:55.00 | goccia | instead* |
| 18:55.06 | anonomouse | its an aspire 3000 |
| 18:55.34 | goccia | Luftzig: cannot find that damned doc :( |
| 18:55.50 | Eulex | on such a new laptop and if you had had an older 2.6 kernel, I would had adviced you to try a newer one. but I don't think there's a big chance that 2.6.14 would solve that... |
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| 18:56.17 | Luftzig | goccia, oh... what? I tried tar for doing back up, but then decided that the networked computer can live few extra Gb for a day or two |
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| 18:56.36 | anonomouse | eulex.. yea i know |
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| 18:56.44 | anonomouse | ill google it a bit more i suppose |
| 18:56.45 | Eulex | !laptop |
| 18:56.45 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 18:56.58 | Eulex | anonomouse, check those links out |
| 18:57.03 | anonomouse | Eulex: ok thanks |
| 18:57.21 | goccia | Luftzig: it was on using tar and nectcat , i cannot find it |
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| 18:57.24 | Eulex | anonomouse, someone may have submitted info on how to run linux on your laptop |
| 18:57.40 | anonomouse | ok |
| 18:57.40 | paulswm | anonomouse: also try modprobe battery |
| 18:57.50 | goccia | netcat* |
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| 18:58.28 | anonomouse | paulswm: modprobe battery does nothing... well it doesnt display any info |
| 18:58.31 | paulswm | anonomouse: and 'cat /proc/acpi/../battery/info' |
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| 18:58.41 | anonomouse | paulswm: i have... i get an error |
| 18:58.55 | anonomouse | paulswm: says battery present but cant read the status |
| 18:59.26 | paulswm | anonomouse: I would check acer's web site for BIOS ugrades, that's where I would personally start |
| 18:59.35 | anonomouse | paulswm: ok |
| 18:59.50 | paulswm | Yay, it's scarynetworkguy! |
| 18:59.55 | goccia | Luftzig: found it : goolge if you like for "bruni tar netcat" |
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| 19:00.06 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Everybody love a scarynetworkguy! |
| 19:00.09 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: You have to buy me dinner if you're going to do that :P |
| 19:00.32 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: HAH! Fair enough. |
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| 19:00.41 | Hellark | when i make a initrd for 2.6.14.4 with mkinitrd i got this: |
| 19:00.42 | Hellark | /lib/modules/2.6.14.4/kernel/drivers/ide: No such file or directory |
| 19:00.43 | scarynetworkguy | !paulswm++ |
| 19:00.48 | Hellark | where is the problem? |
| 19:00.49 | paulswm | a belated happy Christmas, scarynetworkguy |
| 19:00.59 | scarynetworkguy | You too man. |
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| 19:01.17 | Eulex | !wayc Hellark |
| 19:01.17 | dpkg | Hellark: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 19:01.52 | Shadowcat | Hellark: you DO know that yarid's broken in sid |
| 19:01.54 | Shadowcat | right? |
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| 19:02.06 | Luftzig | goccia, ok, looks interesting |
| 19:02.07 | Hellark | am? |
| 19:02.09 | Hellark | no |
| 19:02.26 | mushroomprince | can someone tell me if my fstab line is the reason I cannot change permissions to my hda1 ? |
| 19:02.30 | mushroomprince | its : /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs noauto,users,exec,umask=000 0 0/dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs noauto,users,exec,umask=000 0 0/dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs noauto,users,exec,umask=000 0 0 |
| 19:02.50 | phaedrus_ | hey hye |
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| 19:02.59 | Hellark | Shadowcat, what is yarid? |
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| 19:03.05 | Eulex | mushroomprince, umh... maybe you shouldn't have 3 of the same kind? |
| 19:03.08 | phaedrus_ | i have gcc 4.0 and gcc 3.3 installed...how do i choose which one i want to use? |
| 19:03.19 | mushroomprince | I copied and paisted it wrong |
| 19:03.48 | mushroomprince | /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs noauto,users,exec,umask=000 0 0 |
| 19:04.10 | Eulex | phaedrus_, when running it directly, just run gcc-3.4 or gcc-4.0. when compiling stuff with makefiles, you can usually do make CC=gcc-3.4 etc |
| 19:04.23 | Shadowcat | !tell Hellark about msg |
| 19:04.51 | kerneld | Was the Dr. Who christmas special any good? Lucky BBC viewers |
| 19:04.55 | Hellark | Shadowcat, tell me then :) |
| 19:05.01 | Shadowcat | no |
| 19:05.07 | Shadowcat | since you msged me I'll just not answer it |
| 19:05.16 | Eulex | mushroomprince, well, ntfs doesn't support unix permissions. you will have to set the same permissions to the whole drive with -o umask=whatever gid=whatever uid=whatever |
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| 19:05.48 | Hellark | mhm |
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| 19:07.38 | kronox | Merry Tuxmas |
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| 19:09.10 | Luftzig | goccia, well, my data is existent... so, I start worrying all over if a restart doesn't help. It'll probably be 2 days from now |
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| 19:10.06 | mte_ | umm...i'm connected to internet (i get an ip from my isp when calling ifconfig), but i can only ping computers inside lan. How could I fix this? |
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| 19:10.33 | Corun | Hi. Question: If I have a 128 bit WEP Key which is, say, 8 letters long. What is used to fill in the other 5 bytes of the key? |
| 19:11.34 | golya | Corun: an IV? |
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| 19:11.39 | pudland | #ubuntu |
| 19:11.55 | Corun | A what? :-) |
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| 19:12.20 | goccia | Luftzig: good luck :) |
| 19:12.34 | danieldg | I have a lot of messages in syslog like this: "Dec 26 10:57:08 gamma kernel: Badness in as_insert_request at drivers/block/as-iosched.c:1519" with a backtrace for about 20 lines after. Is this a problem? |
| 19:12.54 | Luftzig | goccia, thanks |
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| 19:13.11 | Hellark | Shadowcat, tell me please, it's important for me |
| 19:13.14 | kronox | danieldg...nope |
| 19:13.43 | abrotman | !topicsmite Hellark |
| 19:13.44 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Hellark. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:13.53 | Eulex | Hellark, why are you even compiling a kernel? |
| 19:14.00 | goccia | Luftzig: see ? i've lost 11G including *13* R.E.M cd's , i know how you feel :) |
| 19:14.12 | abrotman | Eulex: sns syndrome |
| 19:14.16 | tarzeau | odla, cmdKeen: bonus only is fun, eh? |
| 19:14.17 | goccia | i'm still cryng |
| 19:14.20 | goccia | i* |
| 19:14.30 | Eulex | abrotman, apparently |
| 19:14.31 | abrotman | !tell programm about away |
| 19:14.40 | cmdKeen | tarzeau, once bonus is normal it's... not bonus:] |
| 19:14.41 | programm | ... |
| 19:14.41 | Hellark | Eulex, i don't want my ide drives, fs and so on to be on modules |
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| 19:14.54 | jojo | What does debootstrap do after downloading and unpacking packets? I want to run those commands manually.. Not the same arch on working machine and target machine |
| 19:14.58 | bizkit | is there a tool available to copy dvds as images onto my disc? except using dd and cat. i'd love something with a status output |
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| 19:15.18 | Luftzig | goccia, I haven't lost anthing yet. the data is there, I'm actually listening to music from there... The terminal just can't find it on first try... |
| 19:15.27 | Eulex | Hellark, why? |
| 19:15.30 | tarzeau | cmdKeen: heh :) |
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| 19:15.45 | abrotman | Eulex: i stand corrected .. simple tardedness :) |
| 19:15.47 | Eulex | Hellark, and why are you then messing with an initrd? |
| 19:15.50 | danieldg | kronox: well, it is filing up my /var partition. How do I filter it out? |
| 19:15.51 | tarzeau | i always must laugh badly of those lemmings in bubbles |
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| 19:15.55 | Eulex | abrotman, yep. |
| 19:15.57 | odla | tarzeau: the rest is fun too |
| 19:15.59 | tarzeau | and multiplayer tetris same field is crazy |
| 19:16.02 | Luftzig | goccia: and I think I'll keep the backups for another day or so :) |
| 19:16.07 | Sh4dowcat | Hellark doesn't know what an initrd does |
| 19:16.07 | tarzeau | odla: i love pacman multiplayer pacman LOL |
| 19:16.09 | cr3 | for some reason, vbell doesn't seem to display anything in the status bar in screen. I try to echo ^G but it doesn't work :( |
| 19:16.14 | odla | tarzeau: yeah |
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| 19:16.20 | goccia | Luftzig: keep it keep it :) |
| 19:16.23 | tarzeau | tomorrow we play other levels |
| 19:16.24 | Eulex | Sh4dowcat, probably |
| 19:16.34 | tarzeau | damn forgot my tea, it's cold now |
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| 19:17.12 | phaedrus_ | damn...sorry my machine shut down and didnt get last reply |
| 19:17.19 | abrotman | it just shut down ? |
| 19:17.40 | phaedrus_ | i was wondering how to choose gcc 3.3 instead of gcc 4.0 when compiling since i have them both iunstalled? |
| 19:17.47 | phaedrus_ | yeah shgut down...overheat i think\ |
| 19:17.51 | phaedrus_ | fan is a little shifty |
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| 19:18.16 | abrotman | phaedrus_: maybe just stick it outside in the snow ? |
| 19:18.22 | bucky | phaedrus_, change the soft link to gcc in /usr/bin/gcc |
| 19:18.31 | abrotman | though .. changing that link is a bad idea |
| 19:18.44 | phaedrus_ | how come? |
| 19:18.45 | drivamgr2006 | can anyone help me find a package which should be available to apt-get but i cant find it? I need libapreq2 |
| 19:18.47 | abrotman | phaedrus_: why change it .. why not just unisntall the one you don't want |
| 19:18.47 | debian_pwnz | how do i find out what motherboard i have? |
| 19:18.50 | gnube | by soft link do you mean sym link? |
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| 19:18.53 | abrotman | debian_pwnz: your eyes |
| 19:18.54 | debian_pwnz | is there a utility for it? |
| 19:18.56 | Eulex | phaedrus_, haha, I misread that for a second (fan means the devil in swedish :) |
| 19:19.09 | phaedrus_ | well...aparently...some apps were compiled with 4.0 and some with 3.3 |
| 19:19.17 | phaedrus_ | hehe |
| 19:19.21 | abrotman | phaedrus_: yes .. you're still on testing ? |
| 19:19.26 | Sh4dowcat | debian_pwnz: it's called open up your case with a SCREWDRIVER" |
| 19:19.33 | phaedrus_ | oh is that what it is? |
| 19:19.36 | phaedrus_ | i am on testing? |
| 19:19.37 | gnube | Eulex, Nej, inte direkt va? |
| 19:19.41 | phaedrus_ | dammit |
| 19:19.50 | cmdKeen | tarzeau, Eulex oh my goddess, too much bubbles... they are everywhere... |
| 19:19.51 | Eulex | gnube, depends |
| 19:19.53 | Sh4dowcat | hmm |
| 19:19.58 | Eulex | cmdKeen, hehe |
| 19:20.00 | tarzeau | cmdKeen: hehe ;) |
| 19:20.00 | burd | hey i was looking thru the users and groups on my machine today and I noticed that there are a few groups using the same GID, this isn't supposed to be this way right? Like I am seeing postfix,interchange,and ntop using GID 101 |
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| 19:20.51 | gnube | nämen . . . jag visste inte att det finns så många svenska talande folk här |
| 19:20.58 | abrotman | burd: and what is group 101 ? |
| 19:21.01 | Sh4dowcat | !english |
| 19:21.01 | dpkg | methinks english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 19:21.02 | Andre_ | mortd |
| 19:21.03 | Eulex | inte jag heller |
| 19:21.12 | Sh4dowcat | bah |
| 19:21.17 | Sh4dowcat | both of you are using felia |
| 19:21.21 | burd | abrotman: postfix,ntop, and interchange are all using GID 101 |
| 19:21.27 | Andre_ | MORTD |
| 19:21.33 | gnube | yeah, telia felia, they suck |
| 19:21.36 | goccia | 101 is a phony group |
| 19:21.45 | abrotman | burd: and what is group 101 ? |
| 19:21.54 | gnube | Sh4dowcat, What do you recommend instead_ |
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| 19:22.03 | Eulex | Sh4dowcat, actually planning to switch to bbb |
| 19:22.04 | abrotman | i'm not sure why you think it's bad for users to have the same primary group |
| 19:22.04 | Sh4dowcat | gnube: <insert isp here> |
| 19:22.09 | gnube | w00t. |
| 19:22.11 | abrotman | espeically system accoutns |
| 19:22.13 | burd | abrotman: sorry I should say the GROUPS postfix, interchange andntop are all shown as group ID 101 |
| 19:22.14 | phaedrus_ | how do i get out of testing? |
| 19:22.20 | Sh4dowcat | phaedrus_: you reinstall |
| 19:22.23 | Coweater | abrotman: not users groups, he's saying they all have the same gid |
| 19:22.23 | gnube | phaedrus_, How did you get in? |
| 19:22.24 | phaedrus_ | can i install a new distro and keep the home directory? |
| 19:22.31 | abrotman | Coweater: i see that now :) |
| 19:22.35 | burd | :) |
| 19:22.39 | abrotman | burd: all the groups have the same groupID ? |
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| 19:22.44 | Sh4dowcat | phaedrus_: if it's on another partition, ya |
| 19:22.48 | burd | yes this has to be wrong |
| 19:22.49 | gnube | phaedrus_, Yep, you may want to create a new partition though. |
| 19:23.04 | burd | abrotman: not all the groups just those three are sharing 101 |
| 19:23.04 | phaedrus_ | i have 2 partition...why do i need them? |
| 19:23.25 | gnube | phaedrus_, Well, you can use one for testing and one for stable for example. |
| 19:23.26 | burd | I dont think groups are supposed to share GID's |
| 19:23.35 | abrotman | burd: well .. my postfix machine doesn't look like that .. but i don't use ntop or interchange(ick) .. but gnube said 101 is a fake group |
| 19:23.46 | abrotman | though .. 101 for me is cron :) |
| 19:23.51 | phaedrus_ | and stable will only have one gcc installed? |
| 19:23.51 | gnube | abrotman, I most certainly did not. |
| 19:24.05 | gnube | That was goccia |
| 19:24.13 | phaedrus_ | i dont mind this version if i can choose the gcc i want to use |
| 19:24.14 | dvs | phaedrus_: stable doesn't install gcc be default. |
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| 19:24.19 | gnube | I would never contradict abrotman. |
| 19:24.29 | goccia | gnube: i remember a telco company called 101 :) |
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| 19:24.41 | burd | abrotman: i dont think there are set groups for certain system processed other than the lower ones. I'm thinking somewhere along the way when those were installed the deb package made the group and specified GID for it? |
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| 19:25.30 | bucky | burd, which version of debian are you using? |
| 19:25.38 | gnube | phaedrus_, You are trying to compile a new kernel with the latest version of gcc? |
| 19:25.47 | burd | bucky: this machien started out as potato 3 years ago it is sarge now |
| 19:25.59 | phaedrus_ | no, i am trying to install ndiswrapper 1.7 |
| 19:26.10 | goccia | gnube: are you telling abrotman to come and beat me up ? |
| 19:26.11 | bucky | phaedrus_, change the soft link of gcc in /usr/bin/gcc |
| 19:26.12 | gnube | and it needs a new gcc? |
| 19:26.16 | phaedrus_ | but after i did the whole compile installation of the mod.... |
| 19:26.27 | gnube | goccia, Dood, as long as he doesn't beat me up. |
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| 19:26.32 | phaedrus_ | i got an error that said gcc 4.0 should be gcc 3.3 |
| 19:26.37 | gnube | :^) |
| 19:26.44 | phaedrus_ | and mod wouldnt work |
| 19:26.51 | phaedrus_ | wrong module format |
| 19:26.51 | goccia | gnube: :) |
| 19:26.58 | gnube | heh. |
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| 19:27.18 | gnube | phaedrus_, apt-get remove gcc4 |
| 19:27.27 | bucky | phaedrus_, change the soft link of gcc in /usr/bin/gcc |
| 19:27.30 | Arvind-NL | I need a USENET client that can handle NZB. What options are there? |
| 19:27.37 | phaedrus_ | but i have apps installed that used gcc 4 |
| 19:27.57 | bucky | phaedrus_, change the soft link of gcc in /usr/bin/gcc |
| 19:27.59 | gnube | phaedrus_, 1. which apps? 2. once they are compiled they do not need the compiler. |
| 19:28.18 | phaedrus_ | ok ill try |
| 19:28.25 | abrotman | gnube: sorry .. it goccia |
| 19:28.32 | bucky | phaedrus_, then gcc --version |
| 19:28.41 | gnube | abrotman, np. :^) |
| 19:28.42 | goccia | abrotman: you are WELCOMEc :)) |
| 19:28.51 | abrotman | gnube: goccia: don't make me smack you with an umbrella hat! |
| 19:28.52 | phaedrus_ | how do i change that link? |
| 19:29.22 | gnube | herregud, what is an umbrella hat? |
| 19:29.25 | goccia | abrotman: what ? it was mercury 101 : ask londoners around :) |
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| 19:29.30 | phaedrus_ | bucky, how do i change thqat link? |
| 19:29.40 | gnube | lol |
| 19:29.46 | gnube | WinME |
| 19:29.47 | bucky | phaedrus_, cd /usr/bin |
| 19:29.54 | bucky | phaedrus_, rm gcc |
| 19:30.23 | abrotman | goccia: you'd have to see the picture .. somewhere(and i'm not telling where) .. there's a picture of me in an umbrella hat |
| 19:30.25 | bucky | phaedrus_, ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 gcc |
| 19:30.43 | paulswm | I'll never tell, abrotman |
| 19:30.46 | goccia | abrotman: naked ? |
| 19:30.50 | bucky | phaedrus_, then gcc --version |
| 19:30.54 | gnube | Umbrella hat for hands free protection! |
| 19:30.58 | phaedrus_ | sweet thanks a million |
| 19:31.13 | abrotman | goccia: certainly not! |
| 19:31.29 | Sh4dowcat | pics of abrotman nude can be obtained at ebay |
| 19:31.29 | gnube | http://www.fakecrap.com/products/umbrella_hat.html |
| 19:31.31 | burd | here's the silly thing (yes stupid) but i think i installed interchange on that thing a long time ago. i'm not even sure what it is for (ldap/samba type stuff?) |
| 19:31.32 | goccia | abrotman: so why the umbrella ? , what for ? |
| 19:31.43 | abrotman | goccia: someone sent me one .. a DD |
| 19:31.43 | Sh4dowcat | at = on |
| 19:31.47 | gnube | umm rain? |
| 19:32.01 | paulswm | goccia: Sometimes you just feel the desire to look like a twat and immortalize it |
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| 19:32.12 | paulswm | j/k abrotman |
| 19:32.15 | abrotman | burd: interchange is for websites .. it's a Perl-ish framework iirc |
| 19:32.20 | abrotman | !info interchange sarge |
| 19:32.28 | sifi | abrotman, are you a young girl? G |
| 19:32.35 | abrotman | sifi: i'll never tell |
| 19:32.39 | burd | lol |
| 19:32.41 | gnube | youngish |
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| 19:32.54 | abrotman | many young girls go by the name Alexander Tait :) |
| 19:33.02 | Sh4dowcat | abrotman don't make us trace you |
| 19:33.09 | gnube | If they want to get dates they do. |
| 19:33.10 | sifi | abrotman, TIWTGLGG |
| 19:33.15 | abrotman | burd: bah .. interchange is not the name .. |
| 19:33.18 | bucky | abrotman, it's better than Alexander Taint |
| 19:33.20 | abrotman | sifi: you lost me at T |
| 19:33.21 | SimonRaven | sifi: why does that matter, anyway? |
| 19:33.41 | burd | abrotman: not sure what you mean there |
| 19:33.44 | tarzeau | !TIWTGLGG |
| 19:33.48 | abrotman | bucky: you'd be surprised how many times you get that when you are introduced at a bar .. the other person goes "Did oyu say his name was Taint?" |
| 19:33.54 | abrotman | !find interchange sarge |
| 19:33.54 | sifi | SimonRaven, it does not =) |
| 19:33.57 | dpkg | interchange-doc: (Interchange Documentation), section doc, is optional. Version: 4.8.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1179 kB, Installed size: 7148 kB |
| 19:34.06 | burd | yah thats all i seen too |
| 19:34.09 | abrotman | hrm .. maybe sarge had it removed .. and for good reason |
| 19:34.09 | bucky | "Is Mike Hunt there?" |
| 19:34.12 | abrotman | !find interchange etch |
| 19:34.16 | stew | dvs: /join #debian-bugs |
| 19:34.18 | SimonRaven | so why do you ask then? |
| 19:34.19 | abrotman | bucky: yep .. went to school with one of those :) |
| 19:34.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'interchange' (3): (/usr/share/doc-base/interchange) in doc/interchange-doc ;; (/var/lib/nessus/plugins/interchange_detect.nasl) in admin/nessus-plugins ;; (/usr/share/doc/doc-iana/assignments/media-types/application/vnd.shana.informed.interchange) in doc/doc-iana. |
| 19:34.26 | Eulex | TIWTGLGG = This Is Where The Goofy Little Grin Goes |
| 19:34.38 | tarzeau | dpkg TIWTGLGG is This Is Where The Goofy Little Grin Goes |
| 19:34.38 | sifi | SimonRaven, WYSOH =) |
| 19:34.39 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 19:34.46 | SimonRaven | "anyone seen MikeHunt? |
| 19:34.48 | tarzeau | !WYSOH |
| 19:34.53 | SimonRaven | " |
| 19:34.54 | burd | hmmm nessus |
| 19:35.06 | abrotman | burd: no . i can't find it .. let me look on google |
| 19:35.12 | burd | thats just a scanning plugin tho i think |
| 19:35.13 | Eulex | WYSOH = Where's Your Sense of Humor? |
| 19:35.25 | tarzeau | dpkg WYSOH is Where's Your Sense of Humor? |
| 19:35.26 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 19:35.27 | goccia | paulswm: is that twat the lorru-driver irc-syndrome ? |
| 19:35.31 | abrotman | burd: http://www.icdevgroup.org/ |
| 19:35.44 | goccia | lorry* |
| 19:35.44 | burd | excellent tyvm |
| 19:35.48 | SimonRaven | sifi: i'll get a sense of humour when you tell something funny |
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| 19:36.01 | ke6isf | simon1: Touche. =^^= |
| 19:36.10 | ke6isf | oops... s/simon1/simonraven |
| 19:36.15 | paulswm | goccia: Not sure what you mean, I was just teasing abrotman about the umbrella hat pic :) |
| 19:36.25 | goccia | paulswm: same :) |
| 19:36.29 | phaedrus_ | ok...brb...wish me luck |
| 19:36.34 | paulswm | goccia: Ah :) |
| 19:36.44 | Eulex | umbrella hat pic? :))) |
| 19:36.50 | gnube | http://www.fakecrap.com/products/umbrella_hat.html |
| 19:36.50 | goccia | see ? |
| 19:36.57 | burd | is there a way i can ask dpkg if interchange is rrequired by any installed packages? |
| 19:37.07 | tarzeau | someone here using kde and sid would like to test a kde theme package? |
| 19:37.35 | abrotman | burd: just try to remove it |
| 19:37.38 | burd | after reading that it seems i may have just installed it to test it out |
| 19:37.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: come on .. who the hell uses kde ? |
| 19:37.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: seems, nobody .. we should remove it from debian |
| 19:38.00 | gnube | yeah really, kde |
| 19:38.14 | burd | says it's not installed I'm just removing that group |
| 19:38.37 | sifi | abrotman, Linus Torwalds prefer KDE |
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| 19:38.48 | sifi | s/w/v/ |
| 19:38.51 | Arvind-NL | soo... linus tovalds perfers kde?? SO? |
| 19:38.58 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: i'll give it a try |
| 19:38.59 | tarzeau | sifi: no wonder when GNOME is so making users feel like IDIOTS |
| 19:39.10 | Arvind-NL | Richard Stallman is using GNOME? SO ?? |
| 19:39.17 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kde-theme-gnustep/ |
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| 19:39.26 | tarzeau | Arvind-NL: are you sure? he's using emacs imho |
| 19:39.32 | paulswm | tarzeau: Yeah, becaase as we know, no users are idiots otherwise :P |
| 19:39.33 | Arvind-NL | lol |
| 19:39.33 | sifi | Arvind-NL, abrotman was asking a question |
| 19:39.44 | tarzeau | paulswm: hey i didn't say that |
| 19:39.50 | bucky | !seen grendal-prime |
| 19:39.50 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'grendal-prime', bucky |
| 19:39.53 | tarzeau | paulswm: i mean look at #ubuntu they all use GNOME |
| 19:39.53 | paulswm | tarzeau: I know :P |
| 19:39.54 | gnube | I thought GNOME was based on EMACS |
| 19:39.59 | tarzeau | gnube: crap |
| 19:40.02 | tarzeau | gnube: maybe on vim |
| 19:40.03 | bucky | !seen grendal_prime |
| 19:40.03 | dpkg | grendal_prime <n=shawng@dsl166-053.caltel.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12d 15h 9s ago, saying: 'instead of the standard way wich would be text2wav myflilename.text -o myfilename.wav i need it tow work like text2wav "this is what i want it to say" -o myfilename.wav'. |
| 19:40.04 | abrotman | sifi: he's crazy! |
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| 19:40.20 | SimonRaven | oh ffs, people get off from the stupid "desktop war". it's like a bunchy of 12 year ols arguing over who's going to get the rarest baseball card or some other pointless endeavour |
| 19:40.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: you wouldn't hear a single complaint out of me if all of Qt/KDE was removed :) |
| 19:40.24 | gnube | tarzeau, and about as useful. |
| 19:40.36 | tarzeau | who was suggesting me tvtime yesterday? it can't find XVIDEO port |
| 19:40.36 | abrotman | SimonRaven: at least the baseball card will be worth money :) |
| 19:40.38 | sifi | abrotman, ITA |
| 19:40.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: neither me ;) |
| 19:40.46 | paulswm | !medal SimonRaven |
| 19:40.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: and even Gtk/GNOME |
| 19:40.53 | gnube | Yeah, Qt is nominally free as well, though I know it is GPL;d |
| 19:41.03 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: 404 |
| 19:41.25 | goccia | sifi: i use kde but i think Linus Torvald should have not use the world "nazist" talking about gnome |
| 19:41.33 | goccia | word* |
| 19:41.36 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: sorry http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kde-theme-newstep/ |
| 19:41.42 | paulswm | Pfft, Linus is a guy who copied a kernel out of a book |
| 19:41.46 | SimonRaven | np |
| 19:41.47 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: err it's kfreebsd, so if you're linux, rebuild it... |
| 19:41.53 | paulswm | laterz all |
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| 19:42.05 | dvs | paulswm: And, according to the original author, did it wrong. ;-) |
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| 19:42.23 | mrhappymac | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.26 | tarzeau | dvs: really linux has the same limitations like UNIX |
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| 19:42.35 | tarzeau | dvs: it's just new drivers, no new concepts |
| 19:42.45 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: yeh :) |
| 19:42.48 | tarzeau | we're stuck where we were stuck 20 years ago |
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| 19:43.01 | bucky | !start an OS war |
| 19:43.01 | dpkg | BSD is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 19:43.09 | tarzeau | bucky: it's not a war, just facts |
| 19:43.22 | ^kiwi | !start an OS war |
| 19:43.22 | dpkg | MVS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 19:43.28 | gnube | tarzeau: hmm, the code base is more stable though. |
| 19:43.29 | ^kiwi | this bot is biased =P |
| 19:43.33 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: i'd like to see a fullscreen screenshot if you don't mind |
| 19:43.44 | bucky | lets use Plan9 |
| 19:43.45 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 19:43.46 | tarzeau | gnube: matter of work spent into it |
| 19:43.50 | tarzeau | bucky: have you tried it? |
| 19:43.58 | gnube | yeah, plan9 |
| 19:44.03 | bucky | no.. i need to set up the network for it |
| 19:44.05 | tarzeau | gnube: tried it? |
| 19:44.10 | gnube | tarzeau: sort of. |
| 19:44.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: i bet you use gtk for something |
| 19:44.15 | tarzeau | bucky: hehe, i'm stuck at the same place ;) network setup |
| 19:44.16 | gnube | :} |
| 19:44.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: NO. WAY. |
| 19:44.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: dpkg -l | grep gtk !!! |
| 19:44.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: nothing |
| 19:44.50 | gnube | tarzeau: I have read about it and visited the web site. heh. :{ |
| 19:44.58 | bucky | Plan 9 and Alef |
| 19:44.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: your pipe is broken! |
| 19:45.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: nope |
| 19:45.10 | tarzeau | gnube: really try it. #plan9 |
| 19:45.13 | SimonRaven | starting debuild |
| 19:45.32 | abrotman | plan9 has some really good ideas |
| 19:45.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: so does Hurd |
| 19:45.43 | abrotman | but TBH .. i can't figure out which is more useless .. hurd or plan9 :) |
| 19:45.59 | gnube | Hurd is more useless |
| 19:46.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: i just hate the user interface on plan9 so much |
| 19:46.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: isn't there a plan9wm for linux ? |
| 19:46.16 | gnube | I like glenda. |
| 19:46.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah but that's old stuff |
| 19:46.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: there's something newere from them, but not in debian |
| 19:46.56 | abrotman | ah |
| 19:46.58 | blondie | ffs |
| 19:47.05 | blondie | linux keeps deleting things from my SD card :( |
| 19:47.11 | abrotman | blondie: no .. you do :) |
| 19:47.16 | blondie | I do not |
| 19:47.26 | tarzeau | blondie: what filesystem? |
| 19:47.44 | abrotman | blondie: if you don't sync before disconnect(or if the device powers down) .. you lose data |
| 19:47.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: the only window manager i maintain is amiwm ;) |
| 19:48.23 | blondie | I take pictures on my camera, take the card out and put it in the SD card reader and mount, and they are not there |
| 19:48.46 | abrotman | blondie: and in another 'os'? |
| 19:48.49 | tarzeau | blondie: was it ever there after mounting? |
| 19:48.55 | dvs | blondie: But if you put it back in your camera, are the pictures still there? |
| 19:49.01 | blondie | dvs: no |
| 19:49.08 | dvs | o_O |
| 19:49.12 | abrotman | blondie: is it a raw storage device ? |
| 19:49.16 | blondie | however they showed up on the camera in the picture viewer |
| 19:49.24 | blondie | abrotman: dunno what that is |
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| 19:49.35 | abrotman | blondie: wait .. so take the card out of the camera .. put it in linux .. put it in the camera .. all pics gone ? |
| 19:49.47 | blondie | not all, just ones I took in the past few minutes |
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| 19:49.53 | abrotman | (don't forget to take a picture .. otherwise exercise is worthless) |
| 19:49.54 | dvs | abrotman: I got two conflicting statements |
| 19:50.06 | Mr_Morden | anyone here uses TMDA? |
| 19:50.10 | blondie | but they were on the card before I put them in the card reader |
| 19:50.11 | tarzeau | !TMDA |
| 19:50.11 | dpkg | i heard tmda is http://www.tmda.net/ |
| 19:50.15 | abrotman | blondie: if you stick the card in(a reader i assume) .. fdisk -l /dev/sda ? |
| 19:50.30 | abrotman | don't blame me for that factoid! |
| 19:50.38 | tarzeau | !factinfo TMDA |
| 19:50.39 | dpkg | tmda -- last modified at Sun Mar 28 02:49:13 2004 by abrotman!~abrotman@pcp03723050pcs.potshe01.pa.comcast.net; it has been requested 2 times, last by abrotman at Tue Nov 2 13:36:07 2004. |
| 19:50.47 | abrotman | !tmda is also TMDA is an open source software application designed to significantly reduce the amount of spam (Internet junk-mail) you receive. |
| 19:50.47 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 19:51.05 | Mr_Morden | anyone can help me setting it up ^^ |
| 19:51.13 | abrotman | Mr_Morden: i thought it was packaged ? |
| 19:51.18 | blondie | abrotman: in that case no, it's a partition (sdc1) |
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| 19:51.20 | abrotman | Mr_Morden: and which MTA ? |
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| 19:51.26 | blondie | a fat16 one |
| 19:51.26 | Mr_Morden | courier imap |
| 19:51.28 | abrotman | blondie: and it's vfat ? |
| 19:51.35 | abrotman | courier is not an MTA |
| 19:51.41 | abrotman | well it is .. but not the imap part of it |
| 19:51.43 | Mr_Morden | <-- noob ^^ |
| 19:51.48 | blondie | abrotman: according to mount yes (fdisk says FAT16) |
| 19:52.10 | stew | abrotman: courier-mta is an mta |
| 19:52.31 | Mr_Morden | then I suppose it's courier-mta or how can I find out? |
| 19:52.35 | blondie | hmm what the hell |
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| 19:53.09 | stew | Mr_Morden: why are you installing courier from source? |
| 19:53.16 | SimonRaven | fricking thing was asking for kdebase-dev even though i have the dev stuff already installed.... |
| 19:53.23 | cr3 | in screen, I can't get vbell to display anything in the status bar. any hints? |
| 19:53.33 | blondie | ok the most recent pic I took shows up with the card in the camera, but not in linux :\ |
| 19:53.46 | abrotman | stew: i corrected myself! |
| 19:53.47 | stew | Mr_Morden: "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" will tell you which mta you are running |
| 19:53.49 | gnube | I have applied to be a NM - is it better to package something orphaned or to work on something more popular, like GRUB? |
| 19:54.01 | Mr_Morden | trying to get tmda installed |
| 19:54.07 | abrotman | gnube: find something you're interested in .. |
| 19:54.13 | abrotman | wait .. i'm not a DD .. what do i know |
| 19:54.15 | tarzeau | gnube: anything will do, just do it well |
| 19:54.17 | Mr_Morden | t390:/etc/tmda# dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 19:54.17 | Mr_Morden | postfix: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 19:54.24 | Mr_Morden | so it's sendmail then I suppose |
| 19:54.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: what you said was perfect |
| 19:54.29 | gnube | abrotman: Actually I am going to work on a friends project, Xnee |
| 19:54.37 | abrotman | gnube: and ask tarzeau for the list of stuff i've been asking him to package! .. he's lazy |
| 19:54.59 | abrotman | gnube: is there an RFP or ITP for it already ? |
| 19:55.14 | gnube | abrotman, tarzeau: Thanks, I will take your advice. :) |
| 19:55.21 | stew | Mr_Morden: no, its postfix |
| 19:55.29 | gnube | abrotman: Yeah, someone is already packaging it right now. |
| 19:55.32 | stew | Mr_Morden: if you are just trying to install tmda, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:55.41 | abrotman | gnube: check the RFP list for something you might like to do |
| 19:55.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: WTF, what do you want packaged? me, lazy? YOU didn't package anything still |
| 19:55.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: i packaged the cisco vpn client .. a long time ago :) |
| 19:55.59 | Mr_Morden | I have not understood a word @ stew |
| 19:56.02 | tarzeau | gnube: really RFP is stuff nobody really wanted ... |
| 19:56.10 | tarzeau | gnube: it's better if you package what you really use |
| 19:56.15 | stew | Mr_Morden: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 19:56.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: binary stuff? |
| 19:56.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's not true .. RFP has some useful stuff! |
| 19:56.24 | gnube | tarzeau: ok, that makes sense |
| 19:56.25 | Mr_Morden | trying to setup tmda @ stew |
| 19:56.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: yeah it was :) |
| 19:56.28 | stew | Mr_Morden: why are you downloading the source of courier-authlib |
| 19:56.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: name some |
| 19:56.46 | stew | Mr_Morden: what have you done in order to install tdma? did you backport it from sid? |
| 19:56.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: name some what ? |
| 19:56.53 | Daffy-PKF | how can i do so that the menu item "Top" launches Eterm instead of x-terminal-emulator? i created a file /etc/menu/procps with command="Eterm -T Top -e /usr/bin/top" hints="Monitoring" in it, but now the menu item command is 'x-terminal-emulator -T "Top" -e Eterm -T Top -e /usr/bin/top' instead of 'Eterm -T Top -e /usr/bin/top' |
| 19:56.56 | Mr_Morden | what does backport it from sid mean? |
| 19:57.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: useful stuff RFPd |
| 19:57.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: mythtv ? |
| 19:57.09 | tarzeau | !simple sid backport |
| 19:57.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 19:57.14 | abrotman | !win me |
| 19:57.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 19:57.23 | abrotman | asg: i'm coming for your ass! |
| 19:57.24 | stew | Mr_Morden: tdma is only in debian unstable currently, if you want to run it in stable or testing you should backport it, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:57.34 | EdLin | Daffy-PKF: do you want to make eterm your default terminal emulator? |
| 19:57.44 | Daffy-PKF | EdLin> no, just for top |
| 19:58.08 | blondie | OK, after unplugging my usb card reader and plugging it back in again and mounting, the file shows |
| 19:58.10 | EdLin | Daffy-PKF: hmmm |
| 19:58.25 | tarzeau | blondie: we've also had funny cases like that with USB at werk |
| 19:58.35 | tarzeau | blondie: it always scares the shit out of the users |
| 19:58.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: and pixie ? |
| 19:58.50 | magyar | ahoy |
| 19:58.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: it was ITPd |
| 19:58.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: ITP != RFP |
| 19:59.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm looking the damn RFP list .. |
| 19:59.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: and mythtv and pixie are both on there |
| 19:59.31 | tarzeau | awww the renderman thingie |
| 19:59.42 | tarzeau | well mythtv only for special hardware, right? |
| 19:59.47 | magyar | my system is set to check the file system after 30 reeboots how can i increase this number? |
| 19:59.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: does'nt mean it's not useful |
| 19:59.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: did you look at the source of pixie? i wasn't able to build it! |
| 20:00.00 | bbrazil | magyar: tune2fs |
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| 20:00.03 | abrotman | magyar: tune2fs .. maybe |
| 20:00.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: true. |
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| 20:00.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: that doesn't mean it's not uesful! |
| 20:00.13 | magyar | bbrazil, abrotman thanks |
| 20:00.15 | abrotman | :paulswmsmite me |
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| 20:00.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: you were able to name 3 of 500 RFPs |
| 20:00.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm not going to read all of them :) |
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| 20:00.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: really most are junk |
| 20:00.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: if you want .. i can find more i'm sure |
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| 20:01.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you find good stuff, i'll do them |
| 20:01.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: bubnbros is on the rfp list! |
| 20:01.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: panthera is working on it |
| 20:01.33 | abrotman | cdplayer.app ? |
| 20:01.33 | gnube | The thing about Xnee is that the software author wants to be a DD too. |
| 20:01.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: he was too lazy to rename it to ITP |
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| 20:01.39 | abrotman | cinerella ? |
| 20:01.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: hehe, it doesn't work :) i'm working on it |
| 20:01.47 | abrotman | err cinelerra |
| 20:01.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: panthera wanted to ping the cinelerra packager guys |
| 20:01.57 | SimonRaven | ok, now it's builiding |
| 20:02.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm also waiting for cinelerra |
| 20:02.08 | tarzeau | a new version came out lately |
| 20:02.15 | tarzeau | you didn't name 10 yet |
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| 20:02.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: how many so far ? |
| 20:02.27 | tarzeau | 5 |
| 20:02.27 | abrotman | 4? |
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| 20:02.33 | abrotman | oh 5 .. let me find five more |
| 20:02.45 | abrotman | apt-mirror ? |
| 20:02.54 | abrotman | cactus ? |
| 20:03.02 | abrotman | heh .. chkconfig :) |
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| 20:03.10 | aFlag | what's the thing i have tell dpkg so it tells me how to install sid packages on sarge |
| 20:03.14 | tarzeau | apt-mirror is crap |
| 20:03.34 | abrotman | !tell aFlag about simple sid backport |
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| 20:03.44 | aFlag | thanks |
| 20:04.06 | gnube | where is the RFP list? |
| 20:04.18 | abrotman | gnube: debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 20:04.21 | tarzeau | http://www.us.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested |
| 20:04.23 | stew | gnube: http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp |
| 20:04.26 | gnube | I can't find it on WNPP |
| 20:04.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: chkconfig is retarded |
| 20:04.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: xarchive looks interesting |
| 20:04.39 | gnube | Thanks! |
| 20:04.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: but bring 3 more |
| 20:04.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: gtk! YUCK |
| 20:05.06 | abrotman | ktechlab looks interesting .. though gEDA does something simliar i think |
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| 20:05.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: you can't complain about the GUI toolkit .. |
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| 20:05.39 | abrotman | oh .. libsdl-cs would be fun! |
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| 20:05.59 | tarzeau | i'm looking at cactus |
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| 20:06.03 | drivamgr2006 | anyone on here got MySQL installed on debian? |
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| 20:06.10 | sifi | drivamgr2006, yes |
| 20:06.12 | tarzeau | drivamgr2006: yes plenty |
| 20:06.13 | EdLin | !anyone |
| 20:06.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 20:06.23 | abrotman | we'd rather they didn't .. but they do |
| 20:06.25 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 20:06.25 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 20:06.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: openmpi might be good .. i'm not sure mpich or lampich are in debian |
| 20:06.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.cactuscode.org/downloadCactus/ |
| 20:06.57 | drivamgr2006 | How do I get mysql to start on debian? I am trying to start it, and getting an error message at cli... |
| 20:07.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: i hate projects that can't do fucking simply tarball releases |
| 20:07.14 | stew | drivamgr2006: you need to tell us the error if you want us to help |
| 20:07.18 | sifi | drivamgr2006, paste the msg |
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| 20:07.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: hehe |
| 20:07.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: really you can find more interesting stuff on freshmeat.net that's not yet in debian |
| 20:07.47 | drivamgr2006 | ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 20:07.49 | Daffy-PKF | so, no idea how i can launch Eterm instead of x-terminal-emulator for a menu item? editing the file /etc/menu/foo |
| 20:07.50 | tarzeau | gnube: checked fm.net yet? |
| 20:08.05 | gnube | tarzeau: No, but I will now |
| 20:08.08 | sifi | drivamgr2006, is the socket file in place? |
| 20:08.18 | bucky | drivamgr2006, did you build you're own mysql ? |
| 20:08.22 | SimonRaven | Daffy-PKF: no |
| 20:08.30 | drivamgr2006 | No, installed apt-get install mysql-client |
| 20:08.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: and i still don't see synfig or wired in sid |
| 20:08.47 | drivamgr2006 | and the socket file is where it is supposed to be. |
| 20:08.49 | sifi | drivamgr2006, you should do apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 20:08.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah neither do i. synfig was ITPd... ping the ITPer |
| 20:08.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: what's wired? url? |
| 20:08.58 | SimonRaven | installing... |
| 20:08.58 | drivamgr2006 | oh shoot. |
| 20:09.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: so was wired |
| 20:09.05 | drivamgr2006 | !beer sifi |
| 20:09.06 | sifi | drivamgr2006, that installs both the server and the clients |
| 20:09.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: lazy ITPers... |
| 20:09.14 | bizkit | is there a filesize limit on ext2? |
| 20:09.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://bloodshed.net/wired/ |
| 20:09.22 | bucky | drivamgr2006, /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 20:09.23 | gnube | tarzeau: What is the scoop with fm.net? |
| 20:09.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've fixed a 1200 day old ITP of mine last week |
| 20:09.35 | drivamgr2006 | thanks bucky |
| 20:09.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: last i knew about wired .. it was waiting for a library from some other ITP :) |
| 20:09.44 | tarzeau | gnube: i don't get your question? |
| 20:09.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha |
| 20:10.03 | SimonRaven | Irssi: Stopped moron BitchX message from Atomsk [108] |
| 20:10.12 | gnube | tarzeau: You said; "checked fm.net yet?" |
| 20:10.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: i click screenshots, and it doesn't show me any? does it need a special internet web browser? |
| 20:10.23 | tarzeau | gnube: www.freshmeat.net ? |
| 20:10.26 | bbrazil | bizkit: yes, depends on the block size, 2GB for 1024, over 2TB for 4096 |
| 20:10.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: uhm .. i think it's broken .. let me find you one |
| 20:10.35 | tarzeau | gnube: it has more interesting software that's not yet in debian, than the RFP WNPP list |
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| 20:10.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://freshmeat.net/screenshots/50735/ |
| 20:11.00 | gnube | tarzeau: Ok, that sounds like a good idea. |
| 20:11.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: apropos music stuff, tried opencubicplayer finally? |
| 20:11.07 | sifi | drivamgr2006, symlink /var/lib/mysql* |
| 20:11.18 | sifi | drivamgr2006, then you don't need to copy the files each time |
| 20:11.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: owwww so many buttons to click :) |
| 20:11.24 | bizkit | bbrazil: thanks |
| 20:11.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: must. try. this. |
| 20:11.56 | gnube | Freshmeat has the package I hope to maintain: http://freshmeat.net/projects/xnee/ |
| 20:12.07 | tarzeau | gnube: isn't xnee packaged already? |
| 20:12.10 | gnube | Someone else is doing it right now but they want to get rid of it. |
| 20:12.13 | gnube | tarzeau: Yep |
| 20:12.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: if it builds .. it requires a pile of libraries |
| 20:12.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm looking into downloading it.... you know so was www.musickit.org |
| 20:12.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: why do you ignore my question about opencubicplayer ? |
| 20:12.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: what about it ? |
| 20:12.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: try it! |
| 20:13.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: guitar shop ? |
| 20:13.05 | bizkit | seems like the problem wasn't ext2, rather samba. copied a file with size >4G to a samba share which lies on ext2, however it seems samba can't handle that? got "Filesize limit reached." while copying the file with cp -v |
| 20:13.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can't download wired. get me a download url |
| 20:13.11 | tarzeau | it's christmas here, all shops closed |
| 20:13.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: moment |
| 20:13.36 | bucky | can ext2 handle files >4G ? |
| 20:13.44 | tarzeau | bucky: depends |
| 20:13.58 | tarzeau | bucky: see the documentation |
| 20:13.59 | bbrazil | bizkit: probelm is probably the SMB protocol |
| 20:14.11 | tarzeau | bizkit: ahh ext2 isn't smb! use cifs |
| 20:14.20 | tarzeau | bbrazil: smb has a limit on 2 gb... |
| 20:14.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=120022 |
| 20:14.24 | tarzeau | which cifs doesn't |
| 20:15.57 | gnube | tarzeau, abrotman: thanks for the pointers and good conversation. |
| 20:16.05 | gnube | Gotta park the car. |
| 20:16.08 | gnube | bye |
| 20:16.09 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 20:16.16 | abrotman | gnube: you've been driving the whole time ? |
| 20:16.23 | dvs | abrotman: exactly ;-) |
| 20:16.25 | gnube | abrotman: lol |
| 20:16.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: internet is fun when it takes you longer to paste two urls than two 2mb downloads |
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| 20:16.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: i suck |
| 20:16.40 | tarzeau | he has internet in the car? |
| 20:16.46 | tarzeau | and i don't even fucking have a car! |
| 20:16.55 | tarzeau | where's the car to my internet? |
| 20:17.01 | gnube | no, I barely have a radio in the car. |
| 20:17.03 | dvs | tarzeau: I'd be more scared about using the internet while driving. |
| 20:17.22 | gnube | doesn't matter because there are no good radio stations in sweden. |
| 20:17.28 | SimonRaven | dvs: no kidding. yikes |
| 20:17.35 | tarzeau | gnube: sweden's got nice blonde women |
| 20:17.41 | gnube | w00t |
| 20:17.43 | tarzeau | who needs radio stations |
| 20:17.53 | bizkit | tarzeau: i know that ext2 isn't smb, i said the samba share is on an ext2 disk |
| 20:18.14 | gnube | tarzeau: who needs radio indeed. But I am married. So the blonde women a merely a source of ... irritation. |
| 20:18.22 | bizkit | bbrazil: yes, you're right. it's not samba (server), but the client side with smbfs :/ |
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| 20:18.40 | tarzeau | gnube: where in sweden are you? |
| 20:18.44 | tarzeau | gnube: i'm not yet... |
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| 20:19.08 | gnube | tarzeau: Gothenburg, second largest city. |
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| 20:19.16 | gnube | in sweden that is |
| 20:19.18 | abrotman | wait .. people LIVE in sweden ? |
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| 20:19.34 | sapo | Sweden = hot women |
| 20:19.44 | gnube | sapo: For sure. |
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| 20:19.49 | tarzeau | sapo: yes nice, you really make me a happy winter |
| 20:19.55 | koudelka_ | is there a way to view used bandwith and limit connections? |
| 20:19.58 | tarzeau | i want tickets for a flight to sweden |
| 20:20.02 | gnube | säpo |
| 20:20.03 | gnube | heh |
| 20:20.15 | Eulex | abrotman, they do |
| 20:20.15 | tarzeau | koudelka_: iptraf shows bandwith used |
| 20:20.16 | bbrazil | koudelka_: bmon,iftop,iftraf, tc |
| 20:20.26 | gnube | Eulex is in Sweden too. |
| 20:20.34 | sapo | I live in the USA... but im from Europe. I'll avoid calling myself an american ;) |
| 20:20.42 | abrotman | yeah .. but Eulex has brain damage! |
| 20:20.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: and you think wired won't build without the wired-libs ? |
| 20:20.58 | dvs | sapo: So why'd you come over? |
| 20:21.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: nfc ... |
| 20:21.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: YUCK WXWIDGETS!!! |
| 20:21.05 | tarzeau | !nfc |
| 20:21.05 | dpkg | nfc is, like, No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 20:21.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: there were other libraries i needed i didn't have |
| 20:21.11 | Eulex | !smite abrotman |
| 20:21.20 | sapo | dvs : First, I was pratically kicked out of Germany, and I had to leave Bosnia because of a war |
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| 20:21.29 | koudelka_ | sweden >< |
| 20:21.36 | dvs | sapo: Yikes. Poor soul |
| 20:21.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've built nethack, and emacs. but this wx crap! i won't touch |
| 20:21.43 | sapo | dvs : not a big deal |
| 20:21.45 | abrotman | sapo: s/because of a war/because they're always at war/ :) |
| 20:21.49 | Eulex | hehe, that smite did fit very well... åäö |
| 20:21.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: but .. the screenshots!! |
| 20:22.04 | gnube | öäåäöåäöäö |
| 20:22.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can draw buttons that do nothing in ms-paint |
| 20:22.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: and play with them |
| 20:22.21 | tarzeau | or go into the snow and play |
| 20:22.23 | abrotman | freak |
| 20:22.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: how about traffic ? :) |
| 20:22.52 | tarzeau | what traffic? |
| 20:23.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: i should finish a new gnustep live cd, but it's waiting for some other projects to be finished |
| 20:23.55 | tarzeau | guess i'll play some nethack |
| 20:24.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
| 20:24.19 | sapo | Anyway, I'm basicaly a newbie to Linux in a way, I'm planning to run Gameservers a lttle HTTPD with some mysql. Anyone have any comments how great Debian is with this? |
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| 20:25.03 | Eulex | sapo, should work very well |
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| 20:25.49 | sapo | I see a lot of people use Fedora with this so im wondering |
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| 20:27.20 | blondie | fedora smells |
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| 20:27.51 | koudelka_ | is there any gui program that shows connection, bandwith and can limit |
| 20:28.02 | Eulex | sapo, and fedora would be better than this because of... ? |
| 20:28.13 | sapo | Eulex : thats why Im asking :) |
| 20:28.35 | koudelka_ | and that shows a correct bandwith, iftraf and those seems to be totaly wrong |
| 20:29.03 | tuv | i have nfs over wifi (ipw2200). suddenly large file transfers are very slow (400kB/s instead of 3MB/s) and ksoftirqd is eating my cpu.. what could be wrong? |
| 20:29.16 | bbrazil | koudelka_: what do you mean by 'totally wrong' ? |
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| 20:30.15 | tuv | btw, kernel 2.6.12 686 |
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| 20:31.19 | blondie | tuv: can't you use a proper network? I don't think NFS over wireless is very wise |
| 20:31.47 | koudelka_ | like 1000-2000 kbits/sec away from whats posible |
| 20:32.05 | tuv | blondie: it used to work fine.. this is a new development! it's a laptop so using wired network is undesired |
| 20:32.43 | koudelka_ | oh wait |
| 20:32.48 | Maulkin | tuv: Well, for a start, what have you changed? |
| 20:32.51 | koudelka_ | my bad |
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| 20:33.02 | Maulkin | koudelka_: Got confused over bits and bytes? :) |
| 20:33.05 | anibal | tuv: maybe asuffield could help you with your nfs question |
| 20:33.23 | koudelka_ | it happens :) Maulkin |
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| 20:33.39 | bbrazil | koudelka_: I think there's an option to change which it displays in |
| 20:33.46 | Maulkin | koudelka_: yup :) |
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| 20:34.34 | koudelka_ | bbrazil, not a problem now when i know what it is :) but is there a way i can limit connections? |
| 20:34.54 | sapo | Wow... stupid Debian site, I cant find the floppy images it keeps on linking me to some dumb Install guide that doesnt tell me anything |
| 20:34.55 | tuv | anibal: asuffield? |
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| 20:35.09 | bbrazil | koudelka_: tc |
| 20:35.13 | anibal | tuv: have you read the messages about nfs in the lkml? |
| 20:35.14 | koudelka_ | tc? |
| 20:35.17 | bbrazil | !tc |
| 20:35.17 | dpkg | methinks tc is the Debian Test Cycle Trafic Control, a program for defining QoS rules in 2.4 (backported?), or in iproute package. Alternatively Top Cat, or Turbo C. |
| 20:35.46 | tuv | Maulkin: it's happened before and went away alone, but i rececntly added rsize=8192,wsize=8192 options to my nfs mounts |
| 20:36.05 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: http://simonraven.nuit.ca/bin/view/Main/ScreenShots |
| 20:36.08 | tuv | anibal: what is lkml? |
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| 20:36.11 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: second one |
| 20:36.15 | SimonRaven | !lkml |
| 20:36.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lkml is the linux kernel mailing list (read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there and ALSO read http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
| 20:36.24 | anibal | tuv: linux kernel mailing list |
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| 20:37.06 | tuv | anibal: well, obviously i havent' read about there.. is there a specific issue i should look for or just read the entire mailing list archive?! |
| 20:37.16 | Maulkin | tuv: And what happens when you take them out? |
| 20:37.42 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: seems to work. do you know how other kde theme packages are called in debian? |
| 20:37.55 | anibal | tuv: nfs problems have been reported during the last couple of months in the lkml |
| 20:37.56 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: aside the vertical scrollbar is on the wrong side... |
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| 20:38.46 | tuv | Maulkin: actually i didn't try removing them.. i just remembered that i added them recently. but they are supposed to speed up nfs and are not defaults backward compatibility with nfsv2 |
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| 20:39.39 | dracflamloc | hello. i have a question. my sound card i need to load manually with modprobe sound. its a yamaha opl3sa2. but the sound only works if i load kde, but not in gnome... if i just load gnome it cant find any mixers/devices |
| 20:39.56 | dracflamloc | even after the modprobe |
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| 20:40.12 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: the themes has issues with the button size being a bit too small for the text inside it. i like it there (scrollbar), it's on the correct side for me ;). er, kwin-style-foo IIRC or kde-style-foo, not sure exactly |
| 20:40.21 | dracflamloc | opl3sa2 has a 0 next to it in lsmod until i load kde. how can i get it to load no matter what wm i use' |
| 20:40.36 | dvs | dracflamloc: put it in /etc/modules |
| 20:41.07 | SimonRaven | your sound doesn't depend on a wm... the 0 means it's unused, not unloaded |
| 20:41.17 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: this was like a 5 minutes package. i guess i won't bother and not do anything with it |
| 20:41.24 | SimonRaven | if it's in lsmod, it's loaded |
| 20:41.53 | dracflamloc | dvs, thanks. brb |
| 20:41.56 | dvs | dracflamloc: OK |
| 20:42.00 | SimonRaven | dracflamloc: ^^^^ |
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| 20:42.48 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: *shrug* |
| 20:44.06 | sapo | Can someone help this retard here.. I'm trying to download the i386 Debian, when I get to a mirror they have "yarrow-i386-disc1" and "yarrow-SRPMS-disc1"... I have no idea which one to get |
| 20:44.27 | dvs | sapo: yarrow ain't debian. |
| 20:44.37 | blondie | that's redhat |
| 20:44.39 | sapo | ooppss |
| 20:44.47 | dvs | sapo: traitor! |
| 20:44.53 | sapo | Im getting confused I have two mirror sites open |
| 20:44.56 | SimonRaven | wth |
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| 20:45.37 | marc_in_lux | hello... |
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| 20:46.15 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: um, it's crap anyway. the thing crashed some stuff i had open (like the theme selector shite) |
| 20:46.17 | marc_in_lux | is there any way to get rid of an initrd file setup by the sarge installer? |
| 20:46.26 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: ok it sucks :) |
| 20:46.30 | dvs | marc_in_lux: from a sarge kernel? |
| 20:46.40 | marc_in_lux | dvs, yes |
| 20:46.54 | dvs | marc_in_lux: No, the only way is to compile your own kernel |
| 20:46.57 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: it isn't too bad, but it needs a lot of work i suspect |
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| 20:47.05 | stew | marc_in_lux: compile your own kernel that doesn't need one /msg dpkg norootfs |
| 20:47.10 | SimonRaven | install another kernel, or make one |
| 20:47.21 | marc_in_lux | thanks, stew |
| 20:47.34 | NOthsouth | hello, I`m tryin to watch a movie, but totem said: Video codec 'XviD' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies |
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| 20:47.41 | tarzeau | what language is that and what does it mean? "stefan missar bussen" |
| 20:47.49 | NOthsouth | why can mplayer play , but totem not ? |
| 20:48.14 | Maulkin | NOthsouth: because totem isn't finding / can't use the right codecs |
| 20:48.22 | marc_in_lux | what's the debian way to compile my own kernel? |
| 20:48.26 | tarzeau | someone remembers the game "north & south", a clone of that would be kicking, no? |
| 20:48.27 | dvs | !kp |
| 20:48.27 | dpkg | somebody said kp was To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 20:48.29 | NOthsouth | Maulkin, but totem use the same codec as mplayer right ? |
| 20:48.43 | Eulex | tarzeau, swedish. Stefan misses the bus. |
| 20:48.45 | tuv | Maulkin: removing those options didn't change a thing |
| 20:48.58 | marc_in_lux | this is a weird place. Weird, but helpful :-) |
| 20:49.03 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: i'm running kde 3.5, that might have something to do with it... |
| 20:49.05 | tarzeau | Eulex: thanks |
| 20:49.24 | tuv | btw, the nfs server is not debian, the client is. the server is a linksys nslu2 running 2.4 kernel |
| 20:49.27 | Maulkin | NOthsouth: Well, more precicely, totem is just a front end for xine. |
| 20:49.28 | Eulex | tarzeau, or, if you want to be a little more accurate: Stefan doesn't manage to catch the bus. Stefan is a name, btw |
| 20:49.36 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: can you try apt-get install opencubicplayer please? |
| 20:49.41 | Maulkin | tuv: What else have you changed then? :) |
| 20:49.47 | tarzeau | Eulex: yep, that name also exists in german language |
| 20:50.16 | tarzeau | Eulex: got a webcam ? |
| 20:50.19 | NOthsouth | Maulkin, humm i don`t know that.. what front end do you advice me to use for mplayer ? |
| 20:50.29 | tuv | Maulkin: what about ksoftirqd cpu overusage?! |
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| 20:50.56 | Eulex | tarzeau, nah |
| 20:51.10 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: you mean install and try the app ;) |
| 20:51.19 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: yes please :) |
| 20:51.21 | Maulkin | NOthsouth: gmplayer? |
| 20:51.24 | buu | Anyone happen to know if you can make a linksys wireless card work with teh debian? |
| 20:51.32 | Maulkin | NOthsouth: which is mplayer-gnome or mplayer-something |
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| 20:52.03 | anibal | buu: yes, you can |
| 20:52.12 | NOthsouth | Maulkin, thx :D |
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| 20:52.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know. you are the freak. ever checked out the |
| 20:52.20 | buu | anibal: Excellent. |
| 20:52.22 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 20:52.22 | dpkg | [debstats] managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 20:52.27 | ViSoR[U-D-E] | abend |
| 20:52.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: you're like the number one for weeks, monhts, years |
| 20:52.39 | bdarrow | Okay, when my system starts processing the scripts in rcS.d, it thinks it's in UTC (when really the system clock is in EST), as such, it states that all my filesystems have inconsistencies as the last time the superblock was written was in the future..... what do I do? |
| 20:52.47 | Maulkin | tuv: It indicates the machine is under heavy soft interrupt load |
| 20:52.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: not years! |
| 20:53.02 | buu | anibal: Happen to have any pointers? |
| 20:53.09 | SimonRaven | -> |
| 20:53.13 | SimonRaven | <- |
| 20:53.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: it used to be bob2 |
| 20:53.17 | tarzeau | !seen bob2 |
| 20:53.18 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12d 13h 48m ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 20:53.18 | tuv | Maulkin: i know, why this happens when tranferring large files over nfs? |
| 20:53.25 | SimonRaven | there's 2 |
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| 20:53.41 | Maulkin | tuv: It could be due to the NDS handle generating soft interrupts that aren't being handles quick enough. |
| 20:53.53 | Maulkin | s/NDS/NFSd/ |
| 20:54.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: it was Guerin last year :) |
| 20:54.23 | Maulkin | (NB: I have no idea if NFS actually does this) |
| 20:54.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: and www.linuks.mine.nu/sussudio/ some time too? |
| 20:54.37 | anibal | buu: mine is wpc11 ver. 4 |
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| 20:55.27 | anapivirtua_ | re all |
| 20:55.39 | raz0rsedge | grüss di. |
| 20:55.39 | phaedrus_ | hey yall...worked like a charm..thanks for your help |
| 20:55.51 | sapo | I have one more newbie question, then I won't bother you guys that much anymore... Do I need to download both DVD images if I'm just trying to install a server with only a little of the packaged crap |
| 20:55.51 | dvs | phaedrus_: what worked? |
| 20:56.01 | tarzeau | !at |
| 20:56.02 | dpkg | [at] a Delayed job execution and batch processing program or an old IBM computer. |
| 20:56.05 | dvs | sapo: One is fine |
| 20:56.10 | sapo | sounds good |
| 20:56.12 | phaedrus_ | uh...new softlink from gcc 4 to gcc 3.3 |
| 20:56.13 | tarzeau | raz0rsedge: servus |
| 20:56.19 | phaedrus_ | and compile and installed new ndiswrapper |
| 20:56.23 | tarzeau | dpkg at is also austria |
| 20:56.23 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 20:56.26 | anibal | buu: you can use ndiswrapper to load the firmware |
| 20:56.30 | Maulkin | sapo: either that or the netinstall |
| 20:57.16 | sapo | Maulkin : huh? are you saying I need to download both dvd images or can I just use the first one |
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| 20:57.43 | Maulkin | sapo: you can just use the first CD image |
| 20:58.20 | stew | sapo: you definately only need the first dvd or the first cd or a netinst |
| 20:58.20 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: works ok |
| 20:58.20 | sapo | Ok thanks |
| 20:58.20 | AlienX | Is there a package I need specifically to rip and encode a CD to MP3? I'm using grip and keep getting the error: Invalid encoder executable. The encoder I have configed in Grip is mp3encode. |
| 20:58.26 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: like it? |
| 20:58.34 | Maulkin | AlienX: do you have mp3encode installed? |
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| 20:58.55 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: a bit confusing at first, but the help is helpful (some of it is very obvious, of course, like the file browser). default colours are a bit sucky, but usable |
| 20:59.00 | AlienX | Maulkin, no. It's not an available package. I'm running sid btw. |
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| 20:59.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
| 20:59.19 | Maulkin | AlienX: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:59.24 | stew | AlienX: there are no mp3 encoders in debian due to patent restrictions, you can install lame from marillat however, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:59.28 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: having a black background terminal helps |
| 20:59.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: ? |
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| 20:59.41 | tuv | ok.. here is another piece of news.. transfers over ssh is also as slow, so probably this isn't nfs's fault. it seems to me it has to do with the ipw2200 driver |
| 20:59.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: the sussudio link |
| 20:59.47 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: i do |
| 20:59.48 | Maulkin | AlienX: Add marillat to the end |
| 20:59.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: isn't it cool? |
| 21:00.03 | Maulkin | AlienX: yeah, do what stew said :) |
| 21:00.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: rad |
| 21:00.30 | AlienX | stew & Maulkin , i have lame installed. As well as the marillat source. I don't need to configure anything beyond setting lame as the encoder? |
| 21:00.44 | anibal | tuv: do you loose packets with ping? |
| 21:00.51 | tuv | anibal: no |
| 21:01.05 | bizkit | how was the name of this tool that can remove unused but still installed packages? |
| 21:01.14 | tarzeau | bizkit: deborphan |
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| 21:01.26 | Maulkin | AlienX: Not sure, I use oggs. Try it and see |
| 21:01.35 | tarzeau | there's also debfoster and popularity-contest |
| 21:01.38 | AlienX | Maulkin, thanks. |
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| 21:02.18 | stew | AlienX: you shouldn't need to do anything else afaik |
| 21:02.37 | anibal | tuv: you can set the ping packet size, have you tried that? |
| 21:02.39 | tuv | anibal: but i've pretty long time for some of them given it's a LAN |
| 21:02.42 | AlienX | stew, I appreciate it and will give it a go. Cheers. |
| 21:02.50 | bizkit | tarzeau: seem's like deborphan is just for libs? |
| 21:03.16 | tarzeau | bizkit: yes |
| 21:03.33 | tuv | actually transfers over ssh are slower than nfs |
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| 21:04.38 | tuv | this sucks.. it used to reach 3MB/s just yesterday without any changes |
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| 21:04.46 | bucky | !ipw2200 |
| 21:04.46 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200, or ipw2200-source will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
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| 21:08.18 | ecolinux | salut a tous |
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| 21:08.42 | Eulex | !fr |
| 21:08.42 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:08.43 | ecolinux | qq un a deja installe fvwmtabs?? |
| 21:09.01 | Eulex | ecolinux, ^^ |
| 21:09.08 | ecolinux | ok |
| 21:09.09 | tuv | anibal: max. packet size for ping is 64k and it works fine |
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| 21:12.52 | bucky | Eulex, i think he speaks portugese |
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| 21:13.22 | SimonRaven | 'salut a tous' isn't portuguese |
| 21:13.29 | omi2 | Hello everyone |
| 21:13.34 | zinx | sounds frenchy |
| 21:13.37 | tiCo89 | SimonRaven: french ;-) |
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| 21:13.43 | SimonRaven | it is french |
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| 21:13.58 | tiCo89 | tu sais parler français? :-) |
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| 21:14.04 | SimonRaven | oui |
| 21:14.17 | SimonRaven | premiere langue que j'ai appris ;) |
| 21:14.39 | omi2 | Is there a way to secure NFS with some authentication? |
| 21:14.44 | tiCo89 | j'ai appris français à l'école, mais j'ai oubliée beaucoup :-P |
| 21:14.51 | theorem_ | wait a sec, which 'Net is this ? |
| 21:14.52 | abrotman | !fr |
| 21:14.52 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 21:15.09 | SimonRaven | omi2: nfsv4 (in 2.6) |
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| 21:15.16 | tiCo89 | abrotman: okey okey, i speak english =) |
| 21:15.25 | omi2 | what do I need to configure or no configuration required? |
| 21:15.26 | vosti | hi |
| 21:15.29 | SimonRaven | kerberos auth, and acls |
| 21:15.33 | abrotman | we'll see about that :) |
| 21:15.47 | tiCo89 | i had only joy because it remembered me at my time at school, already past since a half year... |
| 21:15.49 | omi2 | can you suggest a simple tutorial? |
| 21:16.06 | abrotman | NIS+ if you think it's secure :) |
| 21:16.28 | omi2 | I also would like to make remote machines authenticate against local the file server |
| 21:16.29 | Eulex | omi2, maybe it's possible to route it over ssh? |
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| 21:16.56 | omi2 | Eulex, yes, but results are not satisfactory |
| 21:17.13 | Eulex | omi2, heh, ok |
| 21:17.17 | theorem_ | just to check , debian uses Xfree86 as a desktop environment ? |
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| 21:17.39 | tiCo89 | xfree86 is a x-server, not a desktop environment |
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| 21:17.46 | omi2 | I'm more concerned with a situation where some EXISTING box gets compramized |
| 21:17.53 | omi2 | as opposed to a new box being added |
| 21:17.54 | Eulex | theorem_, stable does. testing and unstable uses xorg. and those ain't desktop environments |
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| 21:18.13 | theorem_ | tiCo89, ys, perhaps I meant "when you install the desktop user environemnt for the first time from a net installation" |
| 21:18.53 | Eulex | theorem_, yes, if you mean the official sarge netinstaller. |
| 21:18.55 | abrotman | theorem_: depends which version of debian |
| 21:19.13 | theorem_ | uname -na ? |
| 21:19.27 | theorem_ | Linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:19.33 | Eulex | theorem_, no. |
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| 21:20.02 | Eulex | theorem_, that's the version of your kernel. |
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| 21:20.23 | Vedranell | hello |
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| 21:20.25 | Eulex | theorem_, dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 21:20.42 | burd | I've never used the sarge installer with stock kernel before, i always use 2.6.. anyhow what is stock sarge kernel without the expert26 install? |
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| 21:20.54 | Vedranell | how can I launch the x-window-system configurator? |
| 21:20.59 | theorem_ | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 21:21.00 | theorem_ | ?? |
| 21:21.01 | koshbot | ??[x]: Usage: ?? <word> [> nick] |
| 21:21.07 | deadcat | burd: 2.4.27 |
| 21:21.10 | SimonRaven | !drxx Vedranell |
| 21:21.10 | dpkg | Vedranell: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:21.11 | burd | k |
| 21:21.12 | Eulex | theorem_, you're on stable |
| 21:21.40 | Eulex | theorem_, which has xfree86 4.3 |
| 21:21.50 | theorem_ | ah, ok |
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| 21:21.58 | theorem_ | is there a move to go to xorg ? or no ? |
| 21:22.24 | burd | are the Xfree86 and x.org config files interchangeable? seems i seen x.org config and it was identical almost |
| 21:22.30 | Vedranell | Thanks you SimonRaven |
| 21:22.35 | Vedranell | I'll try it |
| 21:22.39 | SimonRaven | there are some minor differences |
| 21:22.40 | deadcat | burd: same |
| 21:22.56 | ThePiratemaster | hey all, im doing a howto on tldp.org, i tells me i should create a certain file in /etc/rc.d but debian only seems to have a bunch of dirs with rc1.d to rc6.d. so where should i put it. does it matteR? |
| 21:23.01 | SimonRaven | the overall config is the same, some few options changed |
| 21:23.15 | burd | I haven't run etch yet since srge went stable is why i'm asking |
| 21:23.21 | xsdg | SimonRaven: hey; ltns |
| 21:23.36 | SimonRaven | xsdg: dude, how are you? |
| 21:23.36 | theorem_ | the main difference is the license, I know FreeBSD has moved to Xorg now |
| 21:23.47 | xsdg | SimonRaven: ok; been busy with classes |
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| 21:24.00 | deadcat | theorem_: more than that |
| 21:24.05 | SimonRaven | xsdg: *nods* |
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| 21:24.15 | theorem_ | oh, .. can you fill me in ? |
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| 21:24.22 | roby | Does Linux support the creative live 5.1 card and 5.1 based speakers? |
| 21:24.23 | bbrazil | ThePiratemaster: probably rc2.d |
| 21:24.31 | bluefox83 | ok, now i'm pissed =( |
| 21:24.35 | ThePiratemaster | its for iptables |
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| 21:24.48 | bbrazil | ThePiratemaster: /etc/network/interfaces in that case |
| 21:25.02 | bluefox83 | i changed out my network card, even put it in another slot..it still doesn't light up :*( |
| 21:25.05 | SimonRaven | ThePiratemaster: /etc/rc.d is old crap from RH; they mean /etc/init.d |
| 21:25.13 | ThePiratemaster | u sure? : http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/firewall-examples.html |
| 21:25.52 | Eulex | theorem_, xorg does actually implement new features and re-organizations, which is a difference between it and xfree86. btw, etch will have xorg |
| 21:25.52 | bluefox83 | can anyone recommend a really good utility for configuring network cards and such? |
| 21:26.13 | blondie | vim |
| 21:26.19 | blondie | bluefox83^ |
| 21:26.25 | burd | hehe |
| 21:26.26 | Eulex | bluefox83, your shell, your favorite text editor, ifconfig and iwconfig |
| 21:26.34 | theorem_ | etch ? is this the next version of debain ? (sorry I'm a spanking newbie to debian) |
| 21:26.36 | bbrazil | bluefox83: vim. you're probably looking for lspci, mii-tool and dmesg though |
| 21:26.40 | Eulex | !debain |
| 21:26.40 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 21:26.46 | odla | theorem_: etch is testing |
| 21:26.49 | jsmidt | Do very many of the changes that Ubuntu does to Debian packages get uploaded back to Debian? I guess the real question is, how closely is Debian and Ubuntu working together? |
| 21:26.52 | Eulex | !sarge+1 |
| 21:26.53 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 21:26.56 | blondie | I use debain cos it's better than debian |
| 21:27.17 | blondie | it's faster! |
| 21:27.21 | theorem_ | Eulex, etch > stable ? |
| 21:27.27 | blondie | it supports kernel 2.10 |
| 21:27.38 | bluefox83 | bbrazil, sadly, none of the afformentioned tools have helped |
| 21:27.44 | blondie | theorem_: no, etch is not greater than stable |
| 21:27.47 | theorem_ | better multi-proc support ? |
| 21:27.48 | Eulex | theorem_, well, it's the next release... |
| 21:27.51 | odla | theorem_: etch = testing |
| 21:28.05 | odla | theorem_: debian always has 3 distros...stable, testing, and unstable |
| 21:28.09 | theorem_ | ok |
| 21:28.20 | bbrazil | bluefox83: if you aren't getting a link light, its probably a hardware problem |
| 21:28.36 | bluefox83 | bbrazil, i've changed NIC cards already |
| 21:28.43 | odla | theorem_: sarge = stable, etch = testing (when released will become the new stable), and sid = unstable (will always be unstable) |
| 21:28.52 | burd | theorem_: if your a newby, don't use etch for a while.. sometimes things can be broken or sometimes things need extensive changes to work.. not often but sometimes |
| 21:29.06 | odla | use sarge with backports |
| 21:29.12 | theorem_ | I'm not a newbie to linux, or Unix os's .. just to debian |
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| 21:29.16 | bluefox83 | bbrazil, lspci shows the card is there, lsmod shows the right module..but somehow i can't seem to get it to work =( |
| 21:29.21 | Eulex | theorem_, specifically, kde is currenly broken in etch |
| 21:29.22 | odla | nobse and his gang are upping packages to backports.org like mad |
| 21:29.32 | bbrazil | bluefox83: which module? |
| 21:29.35 | bluefox83 | tulip |
| 21:29.37 | odla | (and they fill request if you ask nicely) |
| 21:29.38 | theorem_ | oh, ok .. sounds like a weird problem to have a whole wm broken ! |
| 21:29.50 | Eulex | theorem_, de even |
| 21:29.53 | theorem_ | de ? |
| 21:29.54 | odla | kde is a destkop evironment |
| 21:29.59 | odla | oops...spelling |
| 21:30.02 | odla | environment |
| 21:30.06 | bbrazil | bluefox83: there's another module you can use instead of tulip, for get which one though |
| 21:30.10 | Eulex | theorem_, has got to do with a c++ transition |
| 21:30.11 | bbrazil | bluefox83: *forget |
| 21:30.21 | bluefox83 | bbrazil, that's not much help =( |
| 21:30.25 | Eulex | I think. |
| 21:30.27 | theorem_ | ah, new version of gcc ? |
| 21:30.42 | burd | theorem_: when sarge was in testing there were times KDE and Gnome were broken.. sometimes things like c++ change everything and they have to go back and update their packages in order to make things work again.. thus testing |
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| 21:30.56 | theorem_ | I completely understand |
| 21:31.02 | blondie | bluefox83: what happens with "ifconfig" then? |
| 21:31.11 | theorem_ | so it sounsd like I'm sticking with stable then |
| 21:31.12 | odla | theorem_: etch will be released as the stable distro around december 2006 |
| 21:31.27 | odla | i.e. when it's ready |
| 21:31.28 | Eulex | theorem_, no. screwup from the g++ devs on the advice to debian on what memory allocator to use |
| 21:31.36 | theorem_ | because one of the things I wanted to get rolling was a KDE environment |
| 21:31.39 | Eulex | odla, yes, if we're really lucky. |
| 21:31.48 | bluefox83 | blondie, same as usual, reports all the stuff it's suppose to report |
| 21:32.02 | blondie | bluefox83: ? you mean it includes eth0? |
| 21:32.13 | odla | at least it's not ubuntu |
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| 21:33.10 | bluefox83 | blondie, lo, eth0, eth1 |
| 21:33.12 | Eulex | odla, I wouldn't count on it just taking 1.5 years to finish etch... |
| 21:33.19 | theorem_ | ok, so it looks like as a default I got the gnome envirnoment, I see the funny widgets and what not :) I saw a bunch of kde stuff install too, do I just need to edit my .xinitrc like normal, or does debian have a better way of managing this ? |
| 21:33.22 | blondie | bluefox83: you have two cards? |
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| 21:33.37 | odla | Eulex: well i'm in no hurry |
| 21:33.39 | bluefox83 | blondie, yes |
| 21:33.41 | odla | Eulex: i use sarge |
| 21:33.44 | Eulex | theorem_, choose kde in gdm. |
| 21:33.47 | bluefox83 | ok..i think i figured out what the problem is... |
| 21:33.50 | theorem_ | gdm ? |
| 21:33.55 | theorem_ | just run from cli ? |
| 21:33.58 | odla | gnome desktop manager |
| 21:33.59 | edrin | how can i sync systems time with internet??? |
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| 21:34.07 | odla | tarzeau: bnb? |
| 21:34.09 | blondie | edrin: apt-get install ntp-server |
| 21:34.11 | Eulex | theorem_, the login thing. |
| 21:34.12 | bluefox83 | i just pulled the plug from the WAN plugin on the router to one o fthe regular ports..all the lights came on |
| 21:34.21 | theorem_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.23 | theorem_ | hmm |
| 21:34.24 | bluefox83 | i wonder if my WAN port isn't dead |
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| 21:34.37 | tarzeau | odla: i can't take it anymore |
| 21:34.39 | theorem_ | interesting, what about fluxbox, do I need to apt-get that I suppose ? |
| 21:34.42 | odla | tarzeau: ha ha |
| 21:34.49 | Eulex | theorem_, if you install kdm, that will probably launch kde as default |
| 21:34.50 | odla | tarzeau: i didn't think you'd be able to |
| 21:34.54 | tarzeau | odla: i'll play easily some nethack, wanna learn? |
| 21:34.55 | Eulex | theorem_, yes. |
| 21:35.01 | odla | nethack? |
| 21:35.06 | Eulex | !nethack |
| 21:35.06 | dpkg | methinks nethack is a great roguelike game that kicks butt all over *angband. For more information, read http://www.nethack.org/ or newsgroup rec.games.roguelike.nethack apt-get install nethack; then run nethack. Movement is by default using the vi keys, but you can change the keybindings |
| 21:35.07 | blondie | ROOD |
| 21:35.08 | tarzeau | odla: telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
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| 21:35.35 | edrin | how can i sync system's time with internet clock servers |
| 21:35.44 | blondie | edrin: I told you |
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| 21:35.52 | kspath | ntpdate ntpd openntp |
| 21:35.52 | ^kiwi | nntp? |
| 21:35.53 | edrin | sorry, got disconnected |
| 21:35.57 | blondie | edrin: apt-get install ntp-server |
| 21:36.02 | Eulex | tarzeau, cool :) nethack broadcast over the net :) |
| 21:36.11 | GenNMX | I like "Crawl" myself for casual spelunking. Nethack can get very involved ;) |
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| 21:36.17 | tarzeau | Eulex: better than cinema. got your popcorn already? |
| 21:36.26 | Eulex | tarzeau, haha |
| 21:36.29 | tarzeau | Eulex: you can also make bets, like he'll move in the next 5 moves |
| 21:36.33 | kspath | edrin: ntpdate ntpd openntp |
| 21:36.36 | blondie | /etc/init.d/ntp-server start |
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| 21:36.49 | blondie | then it will sync after a little while |
| 21:37.05 | Tortel | EX3 survived a power outage! |
| 21:37.06 | Tortel | :D |
| 21:37.29 | odla | hmm |
| 21:37.45 | Eulex | Tortel, it does |
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| 21:38.24 | acai | hey, how do i change the resolution of my terminal? |
| 21:38.44 | Eulex | acai, linux text console or X terminal emulator |
| 21:38.49 | mango | hi every one. I am trying to run kpilot with my palm tungsten t3. when run dmesg I get: usb 2-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB0...usb 2-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB1....usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 10...any help please? |
| 21:38.50 | acai | text console |
| 21:38.56 | burd | I have 4 debian servers in 4 cities in the U.S. I want to make all of the users and passwords the same on all automatically.. is this possible? |
| 21:38.56 | odla | tarzeau: is it multiplayer? |
| 21:39.07 | tarzeau | odla: single. well you can share bone files using hearse |
| 21:39.26 | acai | burd you'd have to sync a few files |
| 21:39.28 | Eulex | acai, VGA=whatever as kernel option. google for video modes. (vesafb linux video modes VGA) |
| 21:39.36 | odla | hrm..maybe i'll try later |
| 21:39.42 | theorem_ | bbiab |
| 21:39.46 | Gigs | I'm trying to use the apacite package with lyx, I have reason to believe it's not properly installed. I put it in /usr/local/texmf/tex/latex/apacite and reran texhash but when I run bibtex is says it can't fine apacite.bst. |
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| 21:39.58 | burd | acai: using rsync? |
| 21:40.14 | acai | Eulex hrm... i normally use gentoo, and in gentoo you configure a certain file with the number of text rows and columns... i was thinknig there's a similar way in debian |
| 21:40.36 | acai | burd: i'm not familiar with rsync enough to know |
| 21:40.58 | Eulex | acai, the ones you access with CTRL-ALT-F(1-6) or the terminal emulators launched inside X? |
| 21:40.59 | acai | but you'd need /etc/passwd to be common amongst the 4 |
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| 21:41.19 | edrin | blondie: does it listen on some port ? |
| 21:41.21 | acai | Eulex ctrl-alt-F* |
| 21:41.27 | Gigs | burd: if you use rsync make sure to tunnel it over ssh... rsync -e ssh |
| 21:41.40 | edrin | blondie: or does it just connect? |
| 21:41.42 | Eulex | acai, you need to set the mode you want to use as kernel boot option. |
| 21:41.57 | burd | yah thats what i was just thinking.. don't want my passwd file jumping across the net in plain text ;) |
| 21:42.02 | acai | ok, so i need to configure the kernel for those parameters? |
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| 21:42.46 | acai | Eulex cool, thanks then |
| 21:42.50 | Trigger13 | is threre an easy way to find out how much capacity mich hd has? without any overhead because of partitions and stuff like this? |
| 21:42.55 | Eulex | acai, http://www.linux.or.jp/JF/JFdocs/kernel-docs-2.6/fb/vesafb.txt.html |
| 21:42.55 | burd | was also thinking a VPN but that seems like it would be alot of trouble with reliability.. not sure though I havent used the VPN stuff to extensively yet |
| 21:43.03 | Gigs | burd: the good thing about rsync is that it can use ssh as a transport directly with no other setup |
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| 21:43.23 | AlienX | Trigger13, df |
| 21:43.30 | absolutzero | I have exim working...but when i telnet in to port 25 I get 501 Syntactically invalid HELO argument(s) |
| 21:43.34 | Gigs | burd: rsync -av -e ssh /etc/passwd jgiglio@remotehost:/etc/passwd would work... set up keys with no passwords for automation |
| 21:43.39 | Trigger13 | this will give me the size of my different partitions |
| 21:43.47 | AlienX | Trigger13, then do the math :) |
| 21:43.53 | Trigger13 | AlienX, i want it independant from any partitions |
| 21:44.06 | AlienX | Trigger13, parted would work |
| 21:44.07 | burd | Gigs ty I'll give that a try when I get tot hat point |
| 21:44.15 | Trigger13 | AlienX, good idea |
| 21:44.17 | Trigger13 | will try |
| 21:44.44 | Trigger13 | AlienX, df won't tell me the size of journals ans such things AFAIK |
| 21:44.56 | AlienX | Trigger13, yeah, i think you're right |
| 21:45.01 | mango | how do you connect a palm top to a debian system please? any other room should I go to. tahnks |
| 21:45.28 | burd | mango there is palm specific software in KDE I've never used it myself |
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| 21:45.59 | mango | burd: I thin it is kpilot...but it can not detect it! |
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| 21:46.23 | burd | mango: I think there are kernel modules required possibly |
| 21:47.06 | mango | Burd: how would I know wich kernel I need please? |
| 21:47.38 | burd | mango: let me look at my kernel modules and see if i can spot something |
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| 21:48.10 | mathieu | is there a utility that finds duplicate files on a filesystem that deletes the duplicates and replaces them with symlinks of the same name ? |
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| 21:49.16 | debian_pwnz | after some painstaking research throughout the house I finally reached e conclusion that to have dual monitor enabled with geforece2mx, i must buy a s-video cable |
| 21:49.20 | abrotman | mathieu: that doesn't seem like a very good idea |
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| 21:49.45 | theorem_ | ahhh... wow... this new KDE is suuuuper slick |
| 21:49.52 | debian_pwnz | kde4? |
| 21:50.02 | mathieu | abrotman: why not ? |
| 21:50.09 | Eulex | theorem_, talking abou kde in stable? :) |
| 21:50.12 | Eulex | *about |
| 21:50.13 | abrotman | mathieu: well .. how do you define duplicate ? |
| 21:50.30 | debian_pwnz | xfce4.2 == teh slick |
| 21:50.38 | theorem_ | yeah, in stable |
| 21:50.46 | Eulex | debian_pwnz, xfce 4.4 will be even slickier |
| 21:50.49 | sifi | theorem_, what's new? |
| 21:50.51 | abrotman | wow .. this new KDE is obese! |
| 21:50.53 | burd | mango: sorry but I don't see anything like palm modules or anything so I couldn't help you there |
| 21:50.53 | mathieu | abrotman: as defined by fdupes |
| 21:51.07 | sifi | abrotman, whats happening in KDE? |
| 21:51.10 | mathieu | abrotman: comparing file sizes and MD5 signatures, followed by a byte-by-byte compar- |
| 21:51.10 | mathieu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.27 | debian_pwnz | Eulex: whats the word on 4.4 release? |
| 21:51.38 | ThePiratemaster | where do i put the file if a howto about masquerading sais this: "Anyway, create the file /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall-iptables with the following initial SIMPLE ruleset:". (debian only has rc1.d to rc6.d but no rc.d) |
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| 21:51.45 | abrotman | mathieu: but then your .bash_profile might ln -s to mine .. |
| 21:52.01 | kspath | mathieu: are hard-links considered dupes? |
| 21:52.12 | mathieu | abrotman: good point, but i'm talking about doing this in a home directory |
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| 21:52.31 | mathieu | abrotman: normally, when two or more files point to the same disk area they are treated as non-duplicates |
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| 21:52.43 | Eulex | debian_pwnz, rewritten panel (support for several instances of it). new nautilus-like file manager (thunar). xffm and thunar will support desktop icons. etc etc |
| 21:52.51 | kspath | mathieu: does your util look at inodes? |
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| 21:53.03 | abrotman | mathieu: i'm sure the shell script would be easy enough to write |
| 21:53.26 | mathieu | kspath: i don't think so, it does md5sum then byte by byte comparision |
| 21:53.27 | debian_pwnz | Eulex: i hate desktop icons, but nice, thank god i won't have to run nautilus anymore, even a more functional rox would be nice |
| 21:53.39 | xsdg | (21.52.31) < mathieu> abrotman: normally, when two or more files point to the same disk area they are treated as non-duplicates |
| 21:53.42 | xsdg | mathieu: huh? |
| 21:53.59 | Vedranell | There is a version with this installer? http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=486&slide=2 |
| 21:54.04 | Vedranell | :O |
| 21:54.09 | roby | Does anybody have 5.1 speakers working with a creative live 5.1 card? Just generally wondering if 5.1 works in Linux |
| 21:54.09 | ThePiratemaster | where do i put the file if a howto about masquerading sais this: "Anyway, create the file /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall-iptables with the following initial SIMPLE ruleset:". (debian only has rc1.d to rc6.d but no rc.d) |
| 21:54.18 | Eulex | debian_pwnz, http://blog.xfce.org/?p=130 |
| 21:54.31 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: read /usr/share/docs/iptables/* |
| 21:54.34 | Eulex | debian_pwnz, you don't have to have desktop icons if you don't want them... |
| 21:54.47 | kspath | I need a job this sitting around is making me CRAZY |
| 21:55.15 | abrotman | kspath: so stop goofing on irc and get one ? :) |
| 21:55.31 | roby | ThePiratemaster: it's also a good idea not to create that file in the rc directories yourself, but to use rc-udpate |
| 21:55.36 | kspath | abrotman: so true my whining will not change a thing |
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| 21:55.46 | roby | ThePiratemaster: update-rc.d rather |
| 21:55.49 | ThePiratemaster | rc-update?? |
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| 21:56.07 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 21:56.12 | ThePiratemaster | havent heard of it, i dont do alod with those directories |
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| 21:56.23 | theorem_ | so , ot get back to this what is the best way to change the screen size / dimensions for Xfree on stable ? edit the /etc/XFREE86Config file .. or ? |
| 21:57.04 | roby | ThePiratemaster: I created a script called pktfwd and used update-rc.d to add that script into the rc directories. The script starts/stops my actual iptables shell script |
| 21:57.06 | Eulex | !drxx theorem_ |
| 21:57.06 | dpkg | theorem_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 21:57.57 | theorem_ | thanks :) |
| 21:58.04 | theorem_ | can I be in X then Eulex ? |
| 21:58.19 | Eulex | theorem_, yes. the changes won't be applied until you restart it. |
| 21:58.23 | theorem_ | gotcha |
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| 21:58.43 | ThePiratemaster | roby, my script is also for iptables. could u gimme some help? |
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| 22:00.52 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: read /usr/share/docs/iptables/* |
| 22:00.53 | theorem_ | Eulex, - can I specify multiple mouse(es? -- mice) for use ? Like one that's a PS2 , and another that's USB, depending which is plugged in ? |
| 22:01.46 | roby | ThePiratemaster: with the iptables script, or installing an iptables script? |
| 22:02.14 | Eulex | theorem_, for that, you need to edit XF86Config-4 yourself. (afaik) |
| 22:02.25 | prp | hello, i made a bridge with brctl, that separates the network in 2, but now people from one part can't see the other computers in windows share.. what can i do about it ? |
| 22:02.39 | ThePiratemaster | installing it |
| 22:02.40 | theorem_ | ok |
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| 22:03.03 | ThePiratemaster | the script itself is a copy/paste from the howto |
| 22:04.06 | theorem_ | bbiab |
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| 22:06.45 | theorem_ | hah, Eulex what was the command again Ipooched the config :) |
| 22:07.04 | theorem_ | ?? drxx |
| 22:07.06 | koshbot | drxx[x]: No defenition found for word. |
| 22:07.07 | Eulex | !drxx theorem_ |
| 22:07.07 | dpkg | theorem_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:07.12 | theorem_ | almost |
| 22:07.44 | theorem_ | thanks |
| 22:08.01 | Eulex | you will probably need this too: |
| 22:08.06 | Eulex | !xmd5 |
| 22:08.06 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 22:09.14 | theorem_ | I see |
| 22:09.20 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 22:09.20 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard". (i e type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 22:09.24 | Azar | hello honorables, anyone knows of some games for Sarge in Xwindows ? |
| 22:09.31 | abrotman | Azar: there are lots |
| 22:09.44 | abrotman | Azar: http://packages.debian.org/stable/games/ |
| 22:09.52 | Azar | thanks abrotman :) |
| 22:10.09 | tosh | anyone know by heart if the rox file manager has a read-ahead function, meaning type the first letter of the file and it selects it? |
| 22:10.20 | Azar | I installed Sarge for a friend and I want to give him some games as well |
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| 22:11.38 | spldart | Any with experience getting tv to work on debian? |
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| 22:11.59 | h4ppy1 | can anyone help me out with some stuff, to see if a computer is comptiable to run debian, i have a page where the specs is.. ? |
| 22:12.09 | theorem_ | seems identical Eulex ... now that I jsut have CLI .. how do I start the gdm ... it yelled at me before saying it was already started |
| 22:12.15 | dvs | h4ppy1: Run Knoppix first. |
| 22:12.15 | abrotman | h4ppy1: what's the url ? |
| 22:12.18 | Azar | abrotman, last question: do I need a KDE or Gnome in order to play games? I only use openbox.. |
| 22:12.26 | abrotman | Azar: depends on the game |
| 22:12.29 | theorem_ | start5x ? |
| 22:12.33 | theorem_ | s/5// |
| 22:12.33 | Azar | ah ok |
| 22:12.34 | h4ppy1 | abrotman: /server irc.debian.org |
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| 22:12.40 | h4ppy1 | abrotman: wrong ip.. :P |
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| 22:12.43 | abrotman | h4ppy1: i play that game a lot :) |
| 22:12.46 | E-bola | How can i have mv or cp show me what would happen if i executed the command, instai dof them actualy doing it? |
| 22:13.05 | h4ppy1 | abrotman: http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.asp?sku=314578 |
| 22:13.23 | spldart | I have sarge 3.1 kernel 2.6.8-2-k7-smp, xwin 4.3, fluxbox, ati driver loaded using tree sources for this kernel gcc etc.... ati9600aiw |
| 22:13.26 | Azar | E-bola, mv has two meanings: it can "move" a file or it can "rename" a file |
| 22:13.39 | E-bola | Azar: i know.... |
| 22:13.40 | spldart | When I start a tv proggy it says no device /dev/video0 or some such thing |
| 22:13.43 | E-bola | so? |
| 22:14.07 | abrotman | h4ppy1: and what do you want to know .. which components ? |
| 22:14.20 | h4ppy1 | i just want to know if the computer can run debian |
| 22:14.26 | Azar | so make a file , touch "myfile" then do a mv myfile myoldfile see what happens |
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| 22:14.31 | h4ppy1 | im getting the whole thing |
| 22:14.41 | abrotman | h4ppy1: well .. those specs don't help much .. |
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| 22:14.50 | spldart | I know that the driver loaded thought cuz acceleration is active in games but I'm missing something for tv |
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| 22:14.52 | foo | I am going to be ripping a lot of music cd's. What encoding bitrate do you guys recommend? |
| 22:14.53 | h4ppy1 | abrotman: what do u need to know then |
| 22:15.01 | abrotman | h4ppy1: what's the SATA chipset ? |
| 22:15.05 | burd | spldart: try running it as root, if that works then 'adduser <username> video' i believe |
| 22:15.06 | h4ppy1 | hang on |
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| 22:15.27 | Azar | E-bola play with this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 22:15.29 | spldart | Ah... I was thinking of trying that but dismissed the idea not seeing how it could help |
| 22:15.37 | h4ppy1 | abrotman Serial ATA-150 |
| 22:15.42 | abrotman | h4ppy1: that's not a chipset |
| 22:15.46 | h4ppy1 | ohh.. :P |
| 22:15.48 | spldart | Can I log in as root at xdm ? |
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| 22:16.19 | toresbe | A Norwegian is needed? |
| 22:16.29 | h4ppy1 | abrotman: here is all the specs: http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.asp?sku=314578&view=detailed |
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| 22:16.39 | toresbe | why are you shopping at komplett.no? |
| 22:16.47 | h4ppy1 | its a present from my dad |
| 22:16.49 | h4ppy1 | ;) |
| 22:16.55 | toresbe | ah |
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| 22:17.05 | toresbe | still, Digital Impuls is better, in my experience |
| 22:17.05 | h4ppy1 | and i would love to install debian on it, if it can run it.. ;) |
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| 22:17.12 | abrotman | h4ppy1: first of all .. my norwegian sucks(my poor mother would be heartbroken) .. secondly .. those aren't really specs .. that's like .. manager-specs :) |
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| 22:17.43 | h4ppy1 | so i should hope and pray!? :P |
| 22:17.51 | h4ppy1 | okay, thanks for the help though.. |
| 22:17.54 | spldart | well... i'll reboot and try root... |
| 22:17.55 | toresbe | You don't speak Norwegian? |
| 22:17.56 | spldart | thanks |
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| 22:18.01 | h4ppy1 | i do! |
| 22:18.14 | toresbe | Then hva is problemet? |
| 22:18.33 | prp | hello, how can i see droped pkgs in iptables ? let's see droped pgs in chain FORWARD |
| 22:18.34 | h4ppy1 | Well, i didnt know if the computer could _run_ debian.. |
| 22:19.11 | Azar | h4ppy1, the specs advertised in sales sites, are not the ones you really need... I bought a new PC for a friend, with an IDE HD, but the system had SATA "capabilities" therefore they sent me the PC with SATA enabled, I flunked at first installation, until I found out I had to go in BIOS and disable SATA... ONLY because my HD was in reality an IDE |
| 22:19.43 | h4ppy1 | ahhh |
| 22:19.46 | h4ppy1 | sweeet |
| 22:19.52 | blondie | choo choo I am a steam train |
| 22:19.57 | Azar | h4ppy, unless the device drivers are the "latest" you can install and run Debian on almost any hardware |
| 22:20.06 | h4ppy1 | sweeet |
| 22:20.08 | Shadowcat | Azar: now go install debian on deep blue for me |
| 22:20.09 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 22:20.15 | Azar | :) |
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| 22:20.27 | abrotman | h4ppy1: ask ibm.com |
| 22:20.29 | toresbe | h4ppy1: Give it a try, then kom tilbake and spør us if du har noen problems. |
| 22:20.38 | toresbe | Uff, the julekalender. |
| 22:20.41 | h4ppy1 | hehe |
| 22:20.42 | h4ppy1 | :P |
| 22:20.44 | Azar | you have to check to see which CPU support is given by Sarge kernels |
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| 22:20.51 | Shadowcat | !english |
| 22:20.51 | dpkg | somebody said english was a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 22:21.49 | h4ppy1 | Well i allready have a debian server running, but when i changed the whole thing inside of it i got an error: "Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 03:02" |
| 22:22.00 | h4ppy1 | how do i fix that? |
| 22:22.06 | h4ppy1 | is it the hardware? |
| 22:22.15 | Azar | what fs did you picked? |
| 22:22.18 | blondie | did you change from ide to sata? |
| 22:22.41 | h4ppy1 | no, but the motherboard might be sata.. |
| 22:22.51 | h4ppy1 | that one is new.. |
| 22:22.57 | blondie | eh |
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| 22:23.11 | blondie | it probably is SATA |
| 22:23.16 | h4ppy1 | how can i change that? |
| 22:23.22 | blondie | what did you change? |
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| 22:23.31 | toresbe | h4ppy1: That's probably a BIOS problem - the disk appears in a different place for Debian |
| 22:23.31 | h4ppy1 | everything inside the computer except the harddrive |
| 22:23.43 | blondie | oh |
| 22:23.44 | Azar | bah |
| 22:23.49 | Azar | new install |
| 22:23.57 | blondie | well |
| 22:23.58 | toresbe | h4ppy1: I'd first try disabling SATA. |
| 22:24.06 | tosh | h4ppy1 boot from a livecd and see how the partitions are being recognized |
| 22:24.18 | h4ppy1 | livecd? |
| 22:24.20 | toresbe | h4ppy1: If that didn't work, I'd recommend booting a live-CD and see what that calls your disk |
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| 22:24.28 | dvs | h4ppy1: Hence the Knoppix idea |
| 22:24.31 | tosh | h4ppy1 knoppix is a good choice |
| 22:24.34 | toresbe | h4ppy1: You know, Knoppix, or something like it |
| 22:24.34 | tosh | nod |
| 22:25.07 | audi | Does Debian need the repos Universal as Ubuntu/Kubuntu? |
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| 22:25.21 | h4ppy1 | rofl.. sorry no, i bought the computer with debian installed, i know how to use it, but he never told me anything about knoppix or that i needed to disable sata.. :P |
| 22:25.32 | h4ppy1 | so i dont know what knoppix is |
| 22:25.41 | h4ppy1 | sorry for being so much trouble |
| 22:25.50 | toresbe | no problem, mate |
| 22:25.58 | Jinkguns | If there is one thing I hate, it is that that debian will ask me if I want to choose another repository during installation, and then one a totally different installation, will not. |
| 22:25.59 | audi | Does Debian need the repos Universal as Ubuntu/Kubuntu? |
| 22:26.02 | tosh | !knoppix |
| 22:26.02 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 22:26.25 | toresbe | h4ppy1: knoppix is a CD that you can boot directly from, without using the harddisk |
| 22:26.34 | toresbe | h4ppy1: basically, the root FS is a CD-ROM. |
| 22:26.36 | toresbe | !liveCD |
| 22:26.37 | dpkg | i guess livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. |
| 22:27.15 | Shadowcat | !geek |
| 22:27.16 | dpkg | hmm... geek is a circus performer who bites heads off of nevyns, or a chicken who performs the circus off of byte headers, or what GenericBoy is, and most other people in this channel, if they wish to be so called, or substract the sum of all boyfriends/girlfriends you have had from the number of computers you've ever owned. if the number is positive you're a geek. |
| 22:27.31 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 22:27.32 | audi | Does Debian need the repos Universal as Ubuntu/Kubuntu? |
| 22:27.34 | Shadowcat | !factinfo geek |
| 22:27.34 | dpkg | geek -- created by ipchains <tpope@00F0352.dorm.gmu.edu> at Sat Dec 16 14:07:22 2000 (1836 days); last modified at Thu Dec 26 05:29:08 2002 by solomon!solomon@biff.futureks.net; it has been requested 75 times, last by florent at Sat Nov 12 08:16:08 2005. |
| 22:27.41 | Shadowcat | audi: you're making no sense |
| 22:27.50 | audi | why Shadowcat? |
| 22:27.55 | Shadowcat | because you aren't |
| 22:28.03 | audi | what i'm not |
| 22:28.08 | Shadowcat | there's no such thing as a "universal" repository in debian |
| 22:28.16 | audi | oh |
| 22:28.23 | audi | is it only in ubuntu and kubuntu? |
| 22:28.26 | Trigger13 | yeah |
| 22:28.31 | Azar | I wonder if I can play 3D games on a GeForce FX 5200 with only openbox |
| 22:28.31 | Shadowcat | audi: do yourself a favor |
| 22:28.33 | Shadowcat | rtfm on debian |
| 22:28.47 | audi | so i can find all .deb packages with one server? |
| 22:28.50 | h4ppy1 | im getting knoppix now.. thanks! |
| 22:28.58 | liran_ | mounting a shared folder is easy as mount -t smbfs //ip/D /mnt/windrive, right? |
| 22:29.00 | Shadowcat | audi: there's a document called Debian Reference |
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| 22:29.02 | Shadowcat | go read it |
| 22:29.11 | audi | i read it Shadowcat |
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| 22:29.19 | a1fa | hey guys |
| 22:29.19 | Shadowcat | then you should know how the repositories are structured |
| 22:29.23 | Shadowcat | which you don't |
| 22:29.27 | Azar | I am realy a newbie at games... |
| 22:29.29 | Shadowcat | so that means you HAVEN'T read it |
| 22:29.30 | audi | i didnt find this |
| 22:29.35 | audi | i read it |
| 22:29.38 | tosh | liran yes, if null sessions aren't allowed you will have to add -o username=foo |
| 22:29.43 | audi | it dont talk about this |
| 22:29.45 | Shadowcat | audi: ok then, how do you compile a kernel the debian way? |
| 22:29.54 | audi | i don't remember Shadowcat |
| 22:29.58 | dvs | Oohh a test! |
| 22:29.58 | Shadowcat | liar |
| 22:30.02 | audi | why |
| 22:30.02 | Shadowcat | you didn't read it |
| 22:30.03 | Shadowcat | period |
| 22:30.09 | audi | i'm a noob i can't remember it |
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| 22:30.11 | audi | it's obvios |
| 22:30.13 | koudelka_ | how to get tc? |
| 22:30.17 | Shadowcat | it's more like you're a lazy n00b |
| 22:30.18 | valdyn | !noob |
| 22:30.18 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 22:30.19 | Shadowcat | and a liar |
| 22:30.19 | a1fa | (debian-sid) i updated to newsest 2.6.14-2-k7 kernel, but when lilo trys to load it, it frezes up.. "Loading Linux..................." i can still load old 2.6.8.. anybody know whats up with that? it doesnt really matc to the bug posted? |
| 22:30.40 | audi | a1fa use grub |
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| 22:30.43 | Shadowcat | a1fa: the kernels are broken in sid |
| 22:30.48 | Shadowcat | you should know that |
| 22:30.58 | a1fa | Shadowcat: i do.. but its not the same error ? |
| 22:31.01 | valdyn | Azar: openbox doesnt affect your ability to play 3D games in any way |
| 22:31.10 | Shadowcat | a1fa: well congrats, you found another bugs |
| 22:31.12 | Shadowcat | bug* |
| 22:31.13 | Azar | :) thanks valdyn |
| 22:31.14 | liran_ | tosh, ok, it still prompts for a password though, even though pressing the return key is just fine to connect. |
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| 22:31.28 | agilman | hey, I am fairly new to linux, and I just installed minimal debian... |
| 22:31.31 | koudelka_ | !tc |
| 22:31.31 | dpkg | well, tc is the Debian Test Cycle Trafic Control, a program for defining QoS rules in 2.4 (backported?), or in iproute package. Alternatively Top Cat, or Turbo C. |
| 22:31.32 | agilman | how would I install xorg? |
| 22:31.33 | blondie | I thought audi was a car or something |
| 22:31.38 | audi | Shadowcat are you using debian? |
| 22:31.51 | blondie | whatever next |
| 22:31.52 | koudelka_ | can someone tell me how to get/install/configure that? |
| 22:31.55 | blondie | debian users in here? |
| 22:31.56 | valdyn | agilman: why do you need xorg specifically? |
| 22:32.19 | Shadowcat | audi: no I'm using Mac OS X |
| 22:32.21 | a1fa | so what image should i use now? |
| 22:32.24 | audi | ok |
| 22:32.25 | Shadowcat | wtf do you think |
| 22:32.29 | agilman | valdyn: I dont, I just heard that xfree86 is no longer developed |
| 22:32.30 | a1fa | 2.6.8? |
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| 22:32.32 | Shadowcat | </sarcasm> |
| 22:32.39 | Shadowcat | agilman: so? |
| 22:32.43 | audi | Shadowcat do you know if there is aMule in debian repos.? |
| 22:32.49 | Shadowcat | audi: here's an idea |
| 22:32.58 | Shadowcat | fucking search for it yourself |
| 22:33.00 | valdyn | agilman: 'apt-get install x-window-system-core' |
| 22:33.03 | Shadowcat | I'm not your personal courier |
| 22:33.05 | a1fa | anybody know whats up with this kernel? |
| 22:33.06 | audi | Shadowcat i can't |
| 22:33.11 | Shadowcat | audi: then learn |
| 22:33.13 | blondie | audi: why can't you? |
| 22:33.22 | Shadowcat | blondie: because he's lazy and doesn't read documentation |
| 22:33.26 | Shadowcat | and expects US to do the work for him |
| 22:33.31 | blondie | awww |
| 22:33.37 | agilman | thanks valdyn |
| 22:33.45 | valdyn | agilman: that will grab the default X for your debian release, dont bother using something else, unless you have a _good_ reason |
| 22:33.51 | blondie | audi: do you want someone to hold your hand? :P |
| 22:34.12 | audi | blondie dont need |
| 22:34.15 | audi | but thanks you |
| 22:34.17 | koudelka_ | is there any good gui program to control traffic? |
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| 22:34.45 | audi | i go here |
| 22:34.49 | audi | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages.it.html#search_packages |
| 22:34.51 | audi | but can't find it |
| 22:34.53 | agilman | valdyn: does xfree have any autoconfig script? |
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| 22:35.03 | valdyn | agilman: yea |
| 22:35.05 | a1fa | anybody have any news on 2.6.14? |
| 22:35.14 | Shadowcat | audi: well then you have your answer |
| 22:35.16 | Shadowcat | stop bugging me about it |
| 22:35.17 | agilman | valdyn: last time I tried installing xfree, I couldn't configure it right |
| 22:35.18 | Eulex | !tell audi about search |
| 22:35.36 | Shadowcat | a1fa: I run my own custom kernel |
| 22:35.40 | Shadowcat | hence I'm immune |
| 22:35.41 | Eulex | a1fa, other than that it is in unstable? |
| 22:35.43 | valdyn | agilman: then configure it right this time, xorg does have no different or better configuration method |
| 22:35.54 | audi | so there isn't amule for debian? |
| 22:35.58 | valdyn | !setup x |
| 22:35.59 | dpkg | hmm... set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 22:36.01 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 22:36.02 | audi | someone here uses amule? |
| 22:36.07 | Shadowcat | audi: go back to ubuntu |
| 22:36.15 | Shadowcat | you'll be a lot happier there |
| 22:36.18 | audi | i never used it Shadowcat |
| 22:36.18 | Eulex | !info amule stable |
| 22:36.29 | Shadowcat | audi: then go back to windows |
| 22:36.30 | audi | but i think it's for people as u that haven't time for say a thing |
| 22:36.42 | valdyn | agilman: read what dpkg said, some of the packages listed will assist debians X configuration, that is triggered again by running 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 22:36.42 | Eulex | audi, it's in debian, just not in stable |
| 22:36.47 | Shadowcat | audi: I don't have time for lying n00bs who say that they've read something they haven't |
| 22:36.53 | Shadowcat | now if you said you hadn't read it |
| 22:36.56 | audi | i read it Shadowcat |
| 22:36.59 | Shadowcat | maybe I would be more inclined to help you |
| 22:37.04 | Shadowcat | and you're STILL lying |
| 22:37.10 | Eulex | audi, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=amule |
| 22:37.16 | audi | Shadowcat if you are happy and you will help me |
| 22:37.22 | audi | i'll say i didnt read me |
| 22:37.22 | Shadowcat | audi: no I won't |
| 22:37.28 | a1fa | god |
| 22:37.29 | a1fa | YO |
| 22:37.31 | audi | then stop say i dont read it |
| 22:37.31 | Shadowcat | no now it's too late |
| 22:37.33 | a1fa | everybody STFU for a minute |
| 22:37.43 | a1fa | does anybody have any news on the 2.6.14 kernel? |
| 22:37.50 | Shadowcat | a1fa: it's still fucked |
| 22:37.54 | tosh | its old |
| 22:37.57 | Shadowcat | if you want a good one compile your own |
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| 22:38.07 | tosh | my bad |
| 22:38.14 | audi | Eulex this means is there a version only for testing/unstable and not for sarge? |
| 22:38.17 | Shadowcat | tosh you need to stop drinking |
| 22:38.22 | Eulex | audi, yes. |
| 22:38.25 | audi | oh |
| 22:38.29 | nima | anyone know how to permanently bind a key with ratpoison? |
| 22:38.35 | audi | can i use the testing version? |
| 22:38.38 | tosh | Shadowcat my drinking problem is that I can't afford it |
| 22:38.42 | dvs | no |
| 22:38.42 | Eulex | nima, #ratpoison? |
| 22:38.54 | Shadowcat | audi: since you're asking |
| 22:38.55 | Shadowcat | no |
| 22:39.07 | audi | Shadowcat what no? |
| 22:39.10 | Shadowcat | I seriously doubt you know how to run a mixed system |
| 22:39.17 | Shadowcat | and since you refuse to learn |
| 22:39.20 | Eulex | !iyhtays audi |
| 22:39.21 | dpkg | audi: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 22:39.27 | Shadowcat | you'll probably screw it up royally when you attempt it |
| 22:39.37 | agilman | no luck :( something about mouse |
| 22:39.44 | audi | what are you talking about Shadowcat |
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| 22:40.05 | Shadowcat | audi: go read it again |
| 22:40.24 | koudelka_ | can someone tell me how to get/install/start tc? |
| 22:40.29 | audi | Shadowcat it will be the same, since there isn't the thing i'm searching for, will you understand it a day? |
| 22:40.34 | Shadowcat | tc? |
| 22:40.38 | audi | apt-get install tc koudelka_ |
| 22:41.01 | koudelka_ | no such packet |
| 22:41.04 | Azar | I forgot howto, and I am trying to find out in the online manuals how to add a user to a group |
| 22:41.07 | audi | and what |
| 22:41.20 | Azar | adduser "user" "group" ? |
| 22:41.25 | audi | Azar: go on system |
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| 22:41.29 | audi | and add it |
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| 22:41.39 | Shadowcat | audi: shut up |
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| 22:41.43 | Eulex | audi, umh, this ain't ubuntu |
| 22:41.49 | a1fa | audi stfu |
| 22:41.54 | a1fa | dont give wrong advice |
| 22:41.55 | a1fa | u n00b |
| 22:41.57 | audi | i'm talking about debian not ubuntu |
| 22:41.58 | agilman | !setup x |
| 22:41.58 | dpkg | i guess set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 22:41.59 | snowgeese | what burns iso |
| 22:42.08 | audi | k3b snowgeese |
| 22:42.12 | Eulex | audi, you talking about the way you do it in gnome? |
| 22:42.18 | audi | yes |
| 22:42.26 | Shadowcat | audi: well in debian it doesn't work that way |
| 22:42.26 | snowgeese | ok |
| 22:42.29 | Shadowcat | this isn't ubuntu |
| 22:42.29 | snowgeese | thanks |
| 22:42.41 | audi | Shadowcat not ubuntu, debian |
| 22:42.48 | blondie | audi: this is ubuntu |
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| 22:42.58 | audi | it's another distribution, you know? |
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| 22:43.02 | Eulex | audi, (1) everyone ain't running gnome (2) the version of gnome in stable ain't new enough to contain that user config thing |
| 22:43.08 | Azar | ah ok it works |
| 22:43.17 | Shadowcat | audi: so stop giving the WRONG advice to people |
| 22:43.18 | audi | why no gnome Eulex? |
| 22:43.30 | audi | you see Azar |
| 22:43.33 | Shadowcat | audi: because not everyone likes gnome for one |
| 22:43.38 | dale | On this system the sound card(isa) and the scsi card (isa) are not being found. Any ideas? modprobe says no device found. Bios sees it. |
| 22:43.42 | audi | oh |
| 22:43.45 | Shadowcat | Azar: the correct command would be adduser user group |
| 22:43.55 | Shadowcat | audi: another thing |
| 22:44.05 | Eulex | dale, tried running alsaconf? |
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| 22:44.05 | audi | this is for kubuntu Shadowcat |
| 22:44.05 | audi | rofl |
| 22:44.05 | Shadowcat | because not everyone NEEDS gnome |
| 22:44.05 | blondie | everyone uses Gnome, it's the Ubuntu way! |
| 22:44.05 | Shadowcat | audi: just STFU |
| 22:44.13 | Shadowcat | !tell audi about stfu |
| 22:44.15 | dale | Eulex: never heardof it. |
| 22:44.15 | audi | this guy is too fan |
| 22:44.23 | koudelka_ | wich debian packet server got tc??? |
| 22:44.24 | audi | shadowcat wants you to know: i heard stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 22:44.26 | audi | rofl |
| 22:44.40 | dale | wiser:/home/dale# alsaconf |
| 22:44.40 | dale | bash: alsaconf: command not fou |
| 22:44.49 | Shadowcat | !tell dale about alsa one-liner |
| 22:44.56 | Eulex | audi, don't try giving advice here until you've learnt the ways things are done in debian. |
| 22:45.08 | Shadowcat | audi: and don't say you've read something when you haven't |
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| 22:45.19 | Shadowcat | and smarting off to the regulars in here won't earn you any friends either |
| 22:45.25 | audi | lol another time. |
| 22:45.25 | agilman | !setup x |
| 22:45.25 | dpkg | somebody said set up x was First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 22:45.34 | Shadowcat | agilman: msg the bot |
| 22:45.36 | Shadowcat | don't flood |
| 22:45.50 | dale | what does alsa do? I'm running a 2.4 kernel |
| 22:45.53 | audi | this Shadowcat is a retard. |
| 22:45.53 | agilman | ok, sorry, I cant copy and paste :( |
| 22:46.05 | audi | config the soundcard dale |
| 22:46.08 | Eulex | dale, then you need the alsa-modules too for your kernel. |
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| 22:46.15 | Eulex | audi, no. |
| 22:46.21 | dale | also I wonder if debian can run a lexmard p915 photo printer? |
| 22:46.29 | audi | yes can |
| 22:46.35 | Shadowcat | dale: the bot msged you something helpful |
| 22:46.37 | Shadowcat | read it |
| 22:46.42 | dale | I can't configure the could card because the module doesn't see it on the bus |
| 22:46.43 | EL | FAKIU MEN |
| 22:46.52 | Eulex | dale, alsa is a sound system, and it is preferred over oss |
| 22:46.54 | audi | you need install then dale |
| 22:47.02 | Eulex | audi, *sigh* |
| 22:47.12 | audi | what Eulex |
| 22:47.14 | EL | HELLO |
| 22:47.15 | dale | Eulex: the card is not seen. |
| 22:47.26 | Shadowcat | dale: what card exactly |
| 22:47.31 | Shadowcat | !tell EL about caps |
| 22:47.38 | Eulex | dale, and are you trying to use oss or alsa? |
| 22:47.50 | sifi | EL, TYCLO |
| 22:47.56 | dale | I run the same card on my machine at home and it is seen. for some reason the scsi card and the sound card are not seen - however the modem is seen. |
| 22:47.58 | audi | oss and alsa sux |
| 22:48.07 | Eulex | audi, alsa is a sound system. then you have tools like alsaconf that configure alsa. |
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| 22:48.16 | dale | es1371 is the correct driver. I think it is a creative labs card - SB16 |
| 22:48.16 | audi | yes Eulex i know |
| 22:48.20 | Eulex | audi, ranting won't gain you anything. |
| 22:48.24 | Shadowcat | !ops audi is strolling |
| 22:48.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: audi is strolling |
| 22:48.35 | Shadowcat | err |
| 22:48.35 | dale | Eulex: neither. I am trying modprobe. |
| 22:48.37 | audi | lol |
| 22:48.38 | Shadowcat | trolling* |
| 22:48.47 | audi | Shadowcat: you are strolling. |
| 22:48.52 | Eulex | dale, well, but are you trying to load the alsa or oss module |
| 22:48.54 | Shadowcat | audi: just get out of here |
| 22:48.58 | audi | oll |
| 22:48.59 | audi | lol |
| 22:49.04 | a1fa | does anybody know when will 2.6.14-2 be fixed? |
| 22:49.11 | Shadowcat | a1fa: when it gets fixed |
| 22:49.13 | dale | no because the card driver cannot see the card. |
| 22:49.13 | Shadowcat | a1fa: look |
| 22:49.16 | Shadowcat | either stop asking about it |
| 22:49.19 | Shadowcat | or compile your own |
| 22:49.20 | audi | as soon as they can a1fa |
| 22:49.27 | Eulex | audi, yes, just do that five times in a row and you'll be kicked. and everything will be much better. |
| 22:49.38 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 22:49.40 | audi | Eulex i didn't, so. |
| 22:49.44 | Shadowcat | where are the ops when you need them |
| 22:49.51 | dale | I've checked the irq's and they also are not being assigned - or are being assigned incoreectly. I've tried some different bios settings. so far no joy |
| 22:49.52 | audi | yes, where are. |
| 22:50.15 | audi | dale stop touch the bios |
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| 22:50.25 | Shadowcat | !ops audi is trolling |
| 22:50.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: audi is trolling |
| 22:50.34 | audi | dale google it |
| 22:50.39 | Shadowcat | audi: shut up |
| 22:50.40 | dale | audi: I didn't start with the bios - I ended up there because nothing works. |
| 22:50.46 | Shadowcat | dale: ignore audi |
| 22:50.47 | audi | Shadowcat: shut up |
| 22:50.48 | Shadowcat | he's a troll |
| 22:50.55 | dale | audi - good idea - what search would you syuggest? |
| 22:50.59 | audi | dale search with google |
| 22:51.01 | Eulex | dale, what module are you trying to load? |
| 22:51.06 | Shadowcat | dale: just ignore audi |
| 22:51.18 | audi | search for someone that has ur soundcard and the same problem |
| 22:51.35 | audi | Shadowcat: ignore ur self. |
| 22:51.47 | Shadowcat | audi: how about you just leave |
| 22:51.54 | Shadowcat | and we'll all be a lot happier |
| 22:51.54 | a1fa | :) |
| 22:51.59 | burd | just tried installing logcheck on this machine.. it had cyrus at one time but not any more.. when i install logcheck i get this..dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `cyrus' in statusoverride file .. any idea where I find this at? |
| 22:52.02 | audi | Shadowcat: how about you just leave |
| 22:52.05 | dale | es1371 I also tried es1370. the scsi card is an aha1542C and it needs aha1542 - that module installs but doesn't seem to be seeigthe card - there is no scsi devices at the moment - I have azn optical disk however the power supply is at my brothers place |
| 22:52.09 | Shadowcat | audi: ok let's do this the hard way |
| 22:52.17 | audi | Shadowcat: ok rofl |
| 22:52.51 | Coweater | dale: is lspci listing the cards? |
| 22:52.55 | tosh | shadowcat alarms his zombie meganetwork of DDoS bots |
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| 22:53.00 | audi | no Coweater it's not |
| 22:53.08 | dale | Eulex: I run debian sarge on my machine - it works. On this machine its also debian sargeand it doesn't see the card. |
| 22:53.17 | Shadowcat | tosh: actually I was just gonna trace his street address |
| 22:53.25 | dale | Coweater: Nope: But it shows the modem!! |
| 22:53.26 | Shadowcat | and post it here |
| 22:53.27 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 22:53.39 | Eulex | dale, oh, es1371. does lspnp give any nifty info. also, you could try using alsa instead (see alsa-project.org for info on drivers). |
| 22:53.44 | Coweater | dale: then it sounds like a hardware problem |
| 22:53.52 | tosh | Shadowcat you mean the address of his ISP in the WHOIS info |
| 22:53.54 | audi | Shadowcat we are all waiting |
| 22:53.58 | audi | ahah |
| 22:53.59 | Coweater | dale: try removing the modem or changing the cards around to different slots |
| 22:54.02 | audi | what a noob. |
| 22:54.08 | Shadowcat | tosh: well I can get a bit further than that |
| 22:54.14 | Eulex | audi, we'll bomb your isp ;) |
| 22:54.14 | audi | is this his first whois? |
| 22:54.21 | dale | wait -npo!!! lspci showsthe ethernet card - also ISA but not the modem. modem isconfgures on IRG 3 com1 |
| 22:54.21 | audi | ahah Eulex :P |
| 22:54.25 | dale | irq 3 |
| 22:54.39 | Shadowcat | hmm... |
| 22:54.41 | audi | dale what's ur soundcard name |
| 22:54.42 | Eulex | dale, does it show the sound card? |
| 22:54.46 | dale | Coweater: I did that already - nojoy. I tried them one by one yesterday |
| 22:54.55 | Eulex | dale, /ignore audi |
| 22:55.08 | audi | Eulex it said NO |
| 22:55.11 | audi | he* |
| 22:55.16 | dale | does not show the sound card. It should be a creative labes SB16. Bios shows it at boot and says it is configured. |
| 22:55.24 | audi | oh finally the name |
| 22:55.39 | Shadowcat | audi: he said that 30 min ago |
| 22:55.42 | Shadowcat | pay attention |
| 22:55.43 | dale | audi - I actually did tell you b4. but that's ok. |
| 22:55.51 | audi | i wasn't here 30 min ago Shadowcat, stop sleep. |
| 22:55.58 | Shadowcat | audi: yeah you were |
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| 22:56.04 | repp | damn I'm frustrated. I cannot get alsa to work. |
| 22:56.08 | audi | did you see a ghost? |
| 22:56.18 | audi | hi repp |
| 22:56.24 | repp | audi: you can't help me |
| 22:56.26 | Eulex | dale, if lspci doesn't show it, it's very likely to be a hardware problem. could you install lspnp and see what it says bout it? |
| 22:56.27 | dale | THis is an fic va 503+ MB. It _should_ be pretty standard... |
| 22:56.32 | repp | can someone run through a sanity check? |
| 22:56.36 | audi | repp: who said it :P |
| 22:56.41 | Eulex | repp, kernel? |
| 22:56.43 | Shadowcat | [2005-12-26][23:25:23] <audi> Does Debian need the repos Universal as Ubuntu/Kubuntu? |
| 22:56.44 | dale | Eulex: will do - hang on. |
| 22:56.47 | Shadowcat | [2005-12-26][23:56:07] <audi> i wasn't here 30 min ago Shadowcat, stop sleep. |
| 22:56.56 | Shadowcat | I'd say you were here 30 min ago |
| 22:57.05 | audi | your clock sux as you Shadowcat |
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| 22:57.22 | dale | ap-cache does not know about lspnp |
| 22:57.26 | Eulex | dale, it's in pnpbios-tools |
| 22:57.30 | dale | I did install sysutils |
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| 22:57.47 | Eulex | dale, ^^ |
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| 22:57.56 | audi | dale go here: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Vibra16X.&chip=sb16&module=sb16 |
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| 22:58.19 | EL | HOLA EULEX |
| 22:58.25 | repp | Eulex: perhaps - but here's the bizarre thing. Once in a while alsa works, but I cannot figure out why. The sound hardware is working just great, something is broken in my software configuration. There are no error messages. |
| 22:58.29 | Eulex | audi, umh... sb vibra16z... are you joking? |
| 22:58.31 | dale | apt-cache does not know about pnpbios-tools |
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| 22:58.41 | audi | Eulex? |
| 22:58.43 | Shadowcat | repp: umm |
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| 22:58.49 | Shadowcat | have you tried putting the card into another slot? |
| 22:58.53 | repp | Shadowcat: laptop |
| 22:58.58 | Eulex | dale, oh, it's not in stable |
| 22:59.00 | repp | it's snd-intel8x0 |
| 22:59.02 | Shadowcat | repp: how old is this laptop? |
| 22:59.13 | repp | IBM T42 - almost exactly 1 year old. |
| 22:59.25 | Shadowcat | does the card work in windows? |
| 22:59.31 | audi | yes |
| 22:59.36 | Shadowcat | audi: stfu |
| 22:59.38 | repp | Shadowcat: yes |
| 22:59.42 | Shadowcat | repp: hmm |
| 22:59.46 | audi | omfg what a question |
| 22:59.52 | Shadowcat | ok so that rules out a hardware error |
| 22:59.53 | Eulex | dale, ah, it's in pcmcia-cs in stable |
| 22:59.56 | audi | it was obvious Shadowcat |
| 22:59.59 | audi | rofl |
| 23:00.01 | dale | Eulex: can you suggest another tool? I don't know about installing from source. This is not my machine and it might not have everything I need |
| 23:00.01 | audi | hardware error |
| 23:00.12 | repp | audi: I'm adding you to my /ignore list now. bye! |
| 23:00.19 | audi | bye repp |
| 23:00.58 | tosh | this is the time you wish the place was +m |
| 23:01.07 | Shadowcat | actually this is the time you wish an op were awake |
| 23:01.16 | Shadowcat | but anyway |
| 23:01.19 | Eulex | dale, it's in pcmcia-cs |
| 23:01.26 | audi | i hope some op will back soon |
| 23:01.57 | dale | I can't stayu online too long. Folks don't like me tying up their phone line. Also they are sort of anti computer |
| 23:01.58 | tosh | repp the alsa installer/configure option didn't find it? |
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| 23:02.18 | audi | tosh: no |
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| 23:03.06 | a1fa | they fixed yiard, what now, is anybody going to fix that stupid ass kernel? |
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| 23:03.18 | agilman_ | !setup mouse |
| 23:03.22 | k-man | whats the debian way to configure logical volumes |
| 23:03.24 | Shadowcat | a1fa: will ya stop whining about it |
| 23:03.30 | Eulex | a1fa, siyh |
| 23:03.31 | tosh | repp may sound stupid, but did you try and disable acpi when booting? |
| 23:03.35 | agilman_ | any tips on how to find out which device my mouse is? |
| 23:03.45 | Shadowcat | agilman_: /dev/input/mice |
| 23:03.48 | tosh | I had this thing where a NIC couldn't be found by the kernel is acpi was on |
| 23:03.56 | audi | what kinda of mouse you have agilman_ |
| 23:04.02 | tosh | s/is/if |
| 23:04.03 | a1fa | Eulex: what dude? |
| 23:04.04 | Eulex | agilman_, cat the devices until you find the one that outputs random crap in your term when you move the mouse |
| 23:04.09 | Eulex | !siyh |
| 23:04.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 23:04.10 | dale | gawd this KB is bad |
| 23:04.30 | dale | lspnp: /proc/bus/pnp not available |
| 23:04.48 | dale | there is no pci in this machine. |
| 23:04.50 | repp | tosh: hmm |
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| 23:04.58 | repp | tosh: yes, there is no acpi support in this kernel |
| 23:05.07 | Shadowcat | umm |
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| 23:05.11 | Shadowcat | repp that IS the problem |
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| 23:05.31 | audi | repp: impossible. |
| 23:05.32 | Shadowcat | you're using a custom kernel right? |
| 23:05.32 | repp | Shadowcat: oh... that's interesting |
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| 23:05.35 | repp | Shadowcat: yes |
| 23:05.36 | Eulex | dale, umh, does the program say that there is no pci in the machine or did you state it? |
| 23:05.43 | repp | Shadowcat: so alsa requires acpi? |
| 23:05.44 | tosh | might be it |
| 23:05.45 | Shadowcat | repp: then look at your alsa modules |
| 23:06.01 | Shadowcat | repp: I have ACPI enabled, as well as alsa compiled as modules |
| 23:06.09 | repp | Shadowcat: ok, and... here, I'll paste the list of modules |
| 23:06.11 | Shadowcat | don't compile alsa into the kernel |
| 23:06.14 | dale | Eulex: I stated no pcmcia. It has pci... its a 1997 MB - fic VA 503+ |
| 23:06.14 | Shadowcat | repp: NO |
| 23:06.16 | Shadowcat | don't paste |
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| 23:06.23 | Shadowcat | !tell repp about paste |
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| 23:06.40 | audi | why past isn't good Shadowcat? |
| 23:06.40 | repp | Shadowcat: don't worry, I know the rules :) |
| 23:06.41 | repp | snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec snd_ac97_bus snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm snd_timer snd soundcore snd_page_alloc |
| 23:06.42 | embrik | I can't play a video on a site, probably because it demands Microsofts Mediaplayer. Is it possible to hack this to use kaffeine, when I haven't got an option to play it in another player? |
| 23:07.08 | Eulex | dale, could you try upgrading to a 2.6 kernel to see if that fixes the problem? btw, you haven't compiled the kernel yourself, have you? |
| 23:07.15 | tosh | embrik mplayer has a plugin for firefox to do that |
| 23:07.18 | Shadowcat | repp: what kernel version? |
| 23:07.25 | audi | embrik not keffeine |
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| 23:07.31 | audi | exact tosh |
| 23:07.34 | dale | Eulex: not this kernel. I have compiled kernels before - several times but not in the last 5 years. |
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| 23:07.41 | close_to_debian | how can i get gnome-2.12 |
| 23:07.45 | close_to_debian | in debian |
| 23:07.55 | Shadowcat | it's probably in unstable/experimental |
| 23:07.59 | Shadowcat | and no you don't want to go there |
| 23:08.16 | Moeen_ | close_to_debian, add the experimental repository in your sources.list |
| 23:08.18 | close_to_debian | When can i get it in testing |
| 23:08.21 | tosh | unless you get kicks out of random features |
| 23:08.21 | dale | Eulex: it would take FOREVER to d/l the sources - I'm on a dial up and it runs at 24600!!! slower than molasis in January |
| 23:08.24 | Shadowcat | close_to_debian: when it's ready |
| 23:08.24 | audi | Shadowcat i don't understand why he can't use experimental? |
| 23:08.29 | embrik | tosh: where? Makromedia? |
| 23:08.31 | Eulex | dale, ok. that it doesn't find pnp support in your kernel sounds like the kernel is too old to support your hardware. upgradeing to a 2.6 kernel could fix it. |
| 23:08.34 | Eulex | dale, oh |
| 23:08.40 | tosh | embrik google for it |
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| 23:08.48 | Eulex | dale, installed from a cd set? |
| 23:08.54 | close_to_debian | audi: I have used it in the past. You have no issues with it right? |
| 23:09.02 | Shadowcat | close_to_debian: ignore audi |
| 23:09.04 | Shadowcat | he's a troll |
| 23:09.08 | tosh | nod |
| 23:09.13 | dale | Eulex: no - hardware is 1997-1998. Kernel is 2.4 so its much newer. |
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| 23:09.22 | audi | close_to_debian i never used it |
| 23:09.29 | Shadowcat | close_to_debian: if you have to ask |
| 23:09.33 | audi | but i know about this option |
| 23:09.35 | Shadowcat | you shouldn't be using unstable/experimental |
| 23:09.40 | dale | Eulex: I did a net install before I gave the machine to my brother. I run dedicated at my place |
| 23:09.49 | Shadowcat | they WILL fuck your system up to a point where you get data corruption |
| 23:10.00 | audi | this is not true Shadowcat. |
| 23:10.00 | repp | Shadowcat: 2.6.14 w/ PREEMPT |
| 23:10.06 | Eulex | audi, shuddup |
| 23:10.08 | dale | he's on dial up.... and this account is temporary even. I am really in the backwoods here. |
| 23:10.13 | dale | back in the bush! |
| 23:10.16 | audi | Eulex: you know it's not true. |
| 23:10.24 | k-man | which fs has the best large file delete performance? |
| 23:10.37 | Shadowcat | k-man: why? |
| 23:10.42 | repp | just do "/ignore audi". I've not seen a peep from this troll since. |
| 23:10.46 | Eulex | !ops audi is advicing people to use packages from experimental |
| 23:10.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: audi is advicing people to use packages from experimental |
| 23:11.03 | Xybernaut | 0% (Connecting to http.us.debian.org (1.0.0.0) (Connection to non-us.org) why so ? |
| 23:11.06 | tosh | k-man delete performance has little to do with overal disk management performance |
| 23:11.08 | audi | i didn't said it Eulex. |
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| 23:11.37 | Eulex | audi, you did. |
| 23:11.37 | audi | i said that: it's not true that experimental packs corrupts data. |
| 23:11.46 | audi | no Eulex. |
| 23:11.48 | audi | I said: why? |
| 23:11.50 | k-man | Shadowcat, um... because deleteing large files with ext3 is a little slow, and mythtv works better with something that can delete large files morequikly |
| 23:11.52 | Eulex | audi, it may. you never know. |
| 23:11.52 | dale | Eulex: I can work on this problem later. WHen I get back to my office I can ask him to dial into the net then I can log in. But I should be able to find _something_ that tells me the h/w actually works... the BIOS does see the card. So if the BIOS sees it- then why doesn't lspci? |
| 23:11.59 | audi | and a noob told me because it corrupts files. |
| 23:12.03 | Shadowcat | k-man: I use Reiser4 |
| 23:12.10 | sandman | If a multifunction printer has a built-in print server (that is, it advertises that you can just connect it to an ethernet port and you can use it that way), does that mean it'll work with linux using samba? |
| 23:12.11 | audi | no Eulex. |
| 23:12.16 | sandman | Or will I still have to download drivers to use it |
| 23:12.23 | audi | it doesn't corrupt anything |
| 23:12.23 | tosh | I used to run XFS a few years ago |
| 23:12.24 | sandman | Because it's not Debian/Linux compatible |
| 23:12.29 | Eulex | dale, I dunno really |
| 23:12.29 | Azar | do I need to purchase any IWAD files from ID in order to play Freedoom? |
| 23:12.32 | audi | just make it unstablke |
| 23:12.34 | Shadowcat | sandman: try |
| 23:12.52 | sandman | Shadowcat: Well, I haven't bought hte printer yet |
| 23:12.55 | Shadowcat | Azar: that's off topic I'm afraid |
| 23:12.59 | Shadowcat | sandman: ask the vendor |
| 23:13.02 | sandman | But it has to be linux compatible |
| 23:13.04 | sandman | okay.. |
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| 23:13.18 | dale | Eulex: I am quite at a loss on this one. My machine shows the ISA devices AFAIK. I am not in a position to even see what cards are what.... its been so bloody stable for years. |
| 23:13.21 | audi | Azar, he doesn't know it, so it's off topic. |
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| 23:13.37 | close_to_debian | ok, i would want to get hold of 1.2.12 But i have an extremely stable laptop dont want to spoil it |
| 23:13.37 | Azar | you are right, Shadowcat, sorry |
| 23:13.39 | k-man | Shadowcat, and is it reliable? i heard there are issues with its reliability? |
| 23:13.49 | dale | Eulex: but on this machine. the ISA cards are not seen. So why? What would cause that? Bios? |
| 23:13.52 | Shadowcat | k-man: I think Reiser4 is fine |
| 23:14.00 | Eulex | dale, maybe. |
| 23:14.01 | audi | close_to_debian don't risk |
| 23:14.03 | Shadowcat | but you _can't_ use it unless you create a custom debian install cd |
| 23:14.19 | tosh | k-man at least two big ISPs in this country use it for their mailclusters |
| 23:14.22 | audi | Shadowcat: how can we make a custom debian install cd? |
| 23:14.23 | Shadowcat | close_to_debian: if you don't know how to run unstable/experimental, don't |
| 23:14.28 | dale | Eulex: I think I'll try some more bios settings. Ive got nuthin to loose. bbl |
| 23:14.37 | lakcaj | Quick question. Some piece of software got updated on my sarge machine, and now it has "discovered" additional hardware and my eth0 has changed to eth2. It only took me a week to figure out this out. How can I make my nic eth0 again? |
| 23:14.53 | lakcaj | I've tried modutils/aliases but that didn't seem to work |
| 23:15.07 | audi | delete the other one lakcaj? |
| 23:15.08 | close_to_debian | Yep i do have a couple of stuff from unstable using pinning |
| 23:15.15 | dale | Eulex: unless you can think of a utility thatwill show me what is really going on. Also some ofthe dmesg from the boot is not caputered. Thenitstreams by too fast forme to read. |
| 23:15.21 | lakcaj | audi: delete from where? |
| 23:15.24 | audi | then try it close_to_debian. Don't listen Shadowcat. |
| 23:15.33 | Shadowcat | close_to_debian: I run pure unstable |
| 23:15.33 | tosh | lakcaj edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:15.34 | audi | Sorry lakcaj i wrong. |
| 23:15.34 | Eulex | dale, dmesg|less? |
| 23:15.38 | nkuttler | lakcaj: apt-cache searchc rename interface |
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| 23:15.44 | Shadowcat | close_to_debian: that doesn't mean I go recommending it to everybody |
| 23:15.49 | dale | Eulex: many messages are not captuered in the file |
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| 23:15.52 | lakcaj | nkuttler: thanks |
| 23:15.58 | repp | Shadowcat: so about alsa... I can't really use ACPI, since it doesn't work reliably with suspend on this laptop. I use apm. |
| 23:16.04 | audi | <Shadowcat> close_to_debian: that doesn't mean I go recommending it to everybody |
| 23:16.10 | Shadowcat | repp: umm it should |
| 23:16.10 | audi | finally a good answer Shadowcat |
| 23:16.14 | Eulex | dale, the first ones sometimes aren't |
| 23:16.18 | repp | Shadowcat: acpi? |
| 23:16.18 | Azar | audi, stop hitting at Shadowcat, please |
| 23:16.19 | lakcaj | tosh: I edited interfaces so that eth2 is at least brought up at boot, but that doesn't change the device association afaik |
| 23:16.22 | dale | Eulex: is there are difference between dmesg | less andless/var/log/dmseg ? |
| 23:16.27 | Eulex | dale, no |
| 23:16.28 | audi | i'm not Azar |
| 23:16.34 | Shadowcat | Azar: heh he's a troll |
| 23:16.37 | Shadowcat | I got the guy on ignore anyway |
| 23:16.41 | Shadowcat | let him waste bandwidth |
| 23:16.42 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 23:16.46 | dale | Eulex: Ididn't think so. I could have looked for the dmesg script of course. |
| 23:16.50 | lakcaj | thanks for your help guys |
| 23:16.51 | audi | rofl waste bandwidth |
| 23:16.52 | tosh | lakcaj mmm, true that |
| 23:17.01 | audi | what a nerd. |
| 23:17.09 | Azar | audi if this makes you feel better, Shadowcat has been here helping for long and he is going to stay, so your attacks are futile |
| 23:17.20 | dale | Eulex: thanks for the help. If you're here then I'll be back in a couple hours. onon |
| 23:17.21 | audi | he talks about bandwidth, not time. |
| 23:17.33 | Shaheen | Hi All Debian user |
| 23:17.34 | Eulex | dale, I'll prolly be asleep by then |
| 23:17.43 | audi | Azar, i dn't understand what you mean, where is the problem? |
| 23:17.43 | Shaheen | It's Ahmed Shaheen from Egypt |
| 23:17.51 | dale | I'll be up. I can use thephone at nite afterfolksgo to bed. |
| 23:17.56 | Azar | did you say something, audi? |
| 23:18.03 | audi | no. |
| 23:18.09 | Eulex | audi, stop being a jerk |
| 23:18.10 | audi | i was laughing about ur words |
| 23:18.31 | Azar | sorry I guess my ignore feature went on auto mode |
| 23:18.36 | audi | Eulex i'm trying to get Azar working. |
| 23:18.43 | dale | Eulex: btw - my name (and nic) is terr. Daleis my brother. He'll probably be popping in from time to time and he doesn't know much about computers much less Linux. |
| 23:19.04 | Eulex | dale, heh, ok |
| 23:19.14 | dale | bbl. thanks again. |
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| 23:24.55 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 23:25.09 | Eulex | hi mr. elephant |
| 23:25.17 | elephantMan | How can i access one of my lan box from wan (through a router) ? |
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| 23:25.33 | Shadowcat | what type of access? |
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| 23:25.39 | Eulex | elephantMan, uhm, through its ip? |
| 23:25.43 | elephantMan | Http access |
| 23:25.47 | audi | http? |
| 23:25.48 | Shadowcat | http? |
| 23:25.51 | elephantMan | Yes |
| 23:25.52 | Shadowcat | are you running a web server? |
| 23:25.55 | elephantMan | Yes |
| 23:25.58 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 23:26.02 | elephantMan | But its not on my router |
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| 23:26.09 | Shadowcat | you need to forward the right ports on the router |
| 23:26.12 | elephantMan | The router is a modem/router |
| 23:26.14 | Shadowcat | to the right machine |
| 23:26.28 | audi | he can't Shadowcat |
| 23:26.40 | elephantMan | Ok...so it has something to do with 'NAT' or with 'Routing table' ? |
| 23:26.55 | Shadowcat | elephantMan: does your router come with a manual? |
| 23:27.00 | elephantMan | yes |
| 23:27.05 | Shadowcat | read it |
| 23:27.10 | Shadowcat | it'll tell you how to forward ports etc |
| 23:27.12 | elephantMan | The router as both a NAT table & a Routing table |
| 23:27.23 | audi | you will not find it on your manual elephantMan |
| 23:27.23 | elephantMan | I tried but it doesnt work |
| 23:27.27 | Shadowcat | yes but I doubt it allows you to manipulate that directly |
| 23:27.37 | audi | you need the virtual server elephantMan |
| 23:27.50 | Shadowcat | ElectricElf: you need to forward port 80 inbound to the box that's running apache |
| 23:27.53 | audi | but i don't think it will work |
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| 23:28.27 | tosh | elephantMan ignore audi |
| 23:28.30 | elephantMan | I did a 'NAT' rule : '80' to '80' to 'IP LOCAL' |
| 23:28.32 | tosh | it started with a pimple |
| 23:28.34 | elephantMan | but it doesn't work |
| 23:28.46 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 23:28.49 | Shadowcat | or you could put it in the dmz |
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| 23:28.53 | audi | tosh stop it please. |
| 23:29.07 | audi | you are just flaming. |
| 23:29.12 | elephantMan | Shadowcat, what is a 'dmz' ? |
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| 23:29.30 | koudelka_ | i need a deban server with tc |
| 23:29.32 | Shadowcat | elephantMan: your router manual didn't explain that? |
| 23:29.37 | tosh | elephantMan thats where your manual comes in :) |
| 23:30.02 | elephantMan | I have read the manual before bothering #debian |
| 23:30.07 | audi | i don't think manuals talks about it |
| 23:30.11 | elephantMan | but it doesn't say much |
| 23:30.27 | elephantMan | Well to start is it something to do with 'NAT' or 'Route' ? |
| 23:30.31 | tosh | elephantMan honor wikipedia with some hits about network design and setup, it will clear up a lot of things for you |
| 23:30.46 | tosh | firewall.cx is also a good start |
| 23:30.47 | audi | tosh this is not good by you. |
| 23:30.50 | koudelka_ | http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
| 23:31.00 | audi | if you don't know a thing you can't send him anywhere. |
| 23:31.09 | audi | Be manner please. |
| 23:31.09 | elephantMan | tosh, yes i will...but i won't read the bible to find where jesus was born |
| 23:31.19 | audi | elephantMan exact. |
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| 23:31.28 | Shadowcat | elephantMan: you should know that anyway :P |
| 23:31.34 | tosh | elephantMan just so you get the concepts right, for instance the difference between routing and NAT |
| 23:31.36 | elephantMan | :) |
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| 23:31.46 | elephantMan | tosh, yes you are right |
| 23:31.51 | audi | Shadowcat he can read it but for what? it doesn't need it now. |
| 23:32.04 | burd | elephantman: this is simple.. NAT is used when you use your router as a gateway lan<>wan.. routing is used when you use your router internally on a LAN lan<>lan that has mutiple ip subnets |
| 23:32.15 | tosh | elephantMan nothing wrong with that, its how you learn :) and what we did in the past |
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| 23:32.41 | audi | tosh good for you, but he doesn't need it now. |
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| 23:32.42 | koudelka_ | can someone please tell me where to get tc? |
| 23:32.44 | elephantMan | tosh, no prob...i learn this way too |
| 23:32.52 | Shadowcat | koudelka_: tc? |
| 23:32.56 | koudelka_ | !tc |
| 23:32.56 | dpkg | i guess tc is the Debian Test Cycle Trafic Control, a program for defining QoS rules in 2.4 (backported?), or in iproute package. Alternatively Top Cat, or Turbo C. |
| 23:33.14 | Shadowcat | it's in iproute |
| 23:33.18 | Shadowcat | as the thing said |
| 23:33.22 | Shadowcat | so install that package |
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| 23:33.45 | burd | audi I've seen porta potties that are more helpfull than you... sheesh knock it off please |
| 23:33.55 | elephantMan | burd, thanx a lot so my answer is in NAT ? |
| 23:34.00 | koudelka_ | Shadowcat, got it but how to start it? |
| 23:34.02 | audi | Why burd? |
| 23:34.11 | audi | As i said he doesn't need the manual. |
| 23:34.16 | Shadowcat | koudelka_: info iptables |
| 23:34.16 | elephantMan | Cause i want to setup : wan>lan |
| 23:34.18 | burd | elephantman: yes |
| 23:34.29 | Shadowcat | err |
| 23:34.30 | Shadowcat | sorry |
| 23:34.34 | Shadowcat | koudelka_: info iproute |
| 23:34.34 | koudelka_ | isn't there a gui version? |
| 23:34.41 | Shadowcat | koudelka_: probably not |
| 23:35.01 | burd | elephantman: the only tiem you wouldn't do this is if you have a block of IP adresses that are given to the internal machines.. IE internal machines get outside IP's |
| 23:35.28 | Shadowcat | routing occurs on the most basic level of networking |
| 23:35.37 | scarynetworkguy | elephantMan: They are *so* wrong that I just don't even know where to start. Go read please, for your own good. http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag2/index.html |
| 23:35.50 | elephantMan | aaaaaa |
| 23:35.54 | audi | let me check it. |
| 23:35.56 | burd | Shadowcast: wrong.. routing is a Layer 3 thing .. Layer 1 and 2 are stil lmore basic than that |
| 23:36.11 | Shadowcat | burd: ya well that kind of routing ya |
| 23:36.25 | Shadowcat | which you really need to use |
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| 23:36.36 | Shadowcat | but as scarynetworkguy said |
| 23:36.41 | Shadowcat | we're probably n00bs on this subject |
| 23:36.47 | elephantMan | This subject has no concenssus |
| 23:36.52 | Shadowcat | it does |
| 23:36.53 | burd | yes you definitely need to know where your routes to places are either using RIP or static routes |
| 23:36.56 | scarynetworkguy | Shadowcat: You also are so wrong that it is just hurting my head. Go read a TCP/IP manual. |
| 23:37.06 | Shadowcat | scarynetworkguy: I know I'm wrong :P |
| 23:37.10 | burd | actually.. I have taken 8 semesters of cisco networking |
| 23:37.17 | dvs | o_O |
| 23:37.29 | audi | elephantMan just read the last part. |
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| 23:38.00 | elephantMan | Ok...i'll go read the doc from scarynet.. |
| 23:38.03 | scarynetworkguy | burd: Ahh. That explains it. No worries you'll likely overcome that handicap one day. |
| 23:38.15 | Shadowcat | hahaha |
| 23:38.21 | Shadowcat | scarynetworkguy you're evil |
| 23:38.23 | burd | scarynetworkguy: I'd liek to see how you would handle this |
| 23:38.36 | burd | scarynetworkguy: don't tell me to read a book, tell me how I am wrong |
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| 23:39.12 | Xybernaut | i'm try apt-get update -> 0% (Connecting to http.us.debian.org (1.0.0.0) (Connection to non-us.org) -> why this long thouhgt ? |
| 23:39.22 | koudelka_ | is there any gui traffic control program for debian? |
| 23:39.31 | Shadowcat | koudelka_: probably not as I said |
| 23:39.31 | burd | scarynetworkguy: thats what i thought |
| 23:39.38 | Shadowcat | !tell Xybernaut about non-us |
| 23:39.41 | tosh | hehe |
| 23:40.43 | burd | scarynetworkguy: we can also take this to a new level and start talking about BGP, igrp, vlans, load balancing, and network redundancy |
| 23:40.43 | Xybernaut | Shadowcat: why my ip address so write? -> (Connecting to http.us.debian.org (1.0.0.0) |
| 23:40.50 | scarynetworkguy | burd: This isn't the time or place for it and tbh I find teaching the clueless to be boring as all hell. I've prevented you from "teaching" someone something wrong and they are reading good doc. My goal has been meet. |
| 23:41.02 | Shadowcat | Xybernaut: here's an idea |
| 23:41.06 | Shadowcat | try a different mirror |
| 23:41.09 | burd | scarynetworkguy: tell me how I was wrong |
| 23:41.14 | audi | Shadowcat, my friend i have to go, hope i will meet you a day. |
| 23:41.22 | audi | See you all guys. |
| 23:41.23 | burd | scarynetworkguy: I personally don't think you have a clue about networking at this point.. prove me wrong |
| 23:41.45 | scarynetworkguy | burd: I could give a shit what you think, natch. :P |
| 23:41.52 | audi | burd: you are in wrong. |
| 23:41.59 | audi | Bye all. |
| 23:42.01 | Xybernaut | Shadowcat: Yesterday same mirror working.. Anothor computer too working mirror.. |
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| 23:42.16 | audi | Xybernaut: yesterday. |
| 23:42.20 | Shadowcat | Xybernaut: well TRY a different mirror |
| 23:42.45 | tosh | I haven't read any technical argument as to why you think burd was wrong, scarynetworkguy |
| 23:42.51 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 23:42.55 | Shadowcat | both of you take it elsewhere |
| 23:43.01 | tosh | mmm |
| 23:43.08 | scarynetworkguy | Shadowcat: I'm done. :) |
| 23:43.22 | tosh | even before he started |
| 23:43.35 | Xybernaut | Shadowcat: this is no my real ip address 1.0.0.0 .. |
| 23:43.46 | dvs | Xybernaut: Really?!? |
| 23:43.53 | Xybernaut | dvs: Yes! |
| 23:44.05 | Shadowcat | Xybernaut: I get that |
| 23:44.26 | Xybernaut | dvs: inet addr: 192.168.1.2 |
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| 23:44.37 | dvs | Xybernaut: I don't believe that either |
| 23:44.45 | dvs | ;-) |
| 23:44.52 | Xybernaut | :) |
| 23:45.47 | yonkeltron | his real ip is 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:45.54 | yonkeltron | quickly! ddos him! |
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| 23:46.20 | dvs | s/his/my |
| 23:46.26 | blondie | is there anything I should do before unplugging a USB harddisk, other than unmounting it? |
| 23:46.56 | Eulex | dvs, for best results, ping with -f and select a 64k icmp package size |
| 23:46.59 | tosh | umounting should be enough |
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| 23:47.27 | elephantMan | scarynetworkguy, this doc you post me is very interesting...but i need a confirmation to where i should search treating connection from WAN to LAN is it NAT ? I want to access a 192.168.1.2 server from a domain name blabla.dyndns.org |
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| 23:47.42 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 23:47.47 | Shadowcat | ddosing 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:47.56 | Shadowcat | the sad part is that I actually got someone to fall for that |
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| 23:49.57 | Eulex | Shadowcat, I tried doing that with my router once :) it was smart though -- it began ignoring me after a while |
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| 23:51.45 | Eulex | then I've got a netgear one. I suspect that doing it with a d-link router could result in a disaster. |
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| 23:52.26 | Eulex | Shadowcat, no need to get violent |
| 23:54.59 | De_Mon | elephantMan yes you need to use DNAT |
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| 23:55.25 | Jmax | i installed tor but i don't want it to run constantly, how does debian handle init scripts? |
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| 23:55.53 | Delta | I was wondering if anyone has had issues with the version of apache in debian where they can't upload files, even when teh folder is 777? |
| 23:56.06 | De_Mon | iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -p tcp --sport ftp -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.2 |
| 23:56.49 | De_Mon | elephantMan you can't access a private address without forwarding like the above or setting up a vpn |
| 23:57.02 | ruied | Hi, I have debian sarge, what do I need to upgrade to etch ??? |
| 23:57.30 | dvs | !iyntays ruied |
| 23:57.33 | dvs | Damn |
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| 23:58.04 | ruied | dvs, ? |
| 23:58.16 | bbrazil | Delta: I'm guessing you'll need to allow PUT on that dir in the apache config |
| 23:58.40 | dvs | ruied: Update your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 23:58.47 | De_Mon | elephantMan thats a WAN -> LAN solution. If you just need LAN -> WAN (and back) use SNAT or the MASQUERADE target |
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| 23:58.51 | dvs | ruied: But once you upgrade you can't go back. |
| 23:59.24 | ruied | dvs: what shall I put? i've changed sarge to 'etch' but it reported some errors... |
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| 23:59.44 | repp | ruied: replace sarge/etch with |
| 23:59.45 | dvs | ruied: Then "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 23:59.49 | repp | ruied: "testing" |
| 23:59.57 | dvs | repp: etch is fine |
