| 00:00.00 | dvs | for now |
| 00:00.07 | bluefox83 | ok, i hooked my entire setup through my router...not my pc lags like nothing i've ever seen, what gives? |
| 00:00.10 | repp | ruied: oh, pardon me.... the errors are likely because you haven't done "update" yet. |
| 00:00.12 | bluefox83 | *now |
| 00:00.27 | thingfish | Just stay with sarge. It's swell. |
| 00:00.29 | ruied | repp, change charge to 'testing' ? |
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| 00:01.40 | ruied | repp: ups, I menat change all the lines that have 'sarge' to 'testing' |
| 00:01.43 | ruied | is that it? |
| 00:02.20 | repp | ruied: I was wrong, etch/testing are equivalent (for a few years probably) |
| 00:02.36 | bluefox83 | there any reason why connecting through a router should create system lag? |
| 00:03.00 | repp | bluefox83: "lag" as in CPU lag? |
| 00:03.06 | bluefox83 | repp, yes |
| 00:03.37 | bluefox83 | my cpu load meter shows a lil blue line that wasn't there before..it's taken up a bunch of load =( |
| 00:03.41 | ruied | repp, so I have to change all the lines from 'stable' to 'testing' or 'etch' ? |
| 00:03.50 | repp | bluefox83: well, your router could be broken in such a way as to simulate a DoS attack, but other than that, I can't think of why a router would cause CPU load. |
| 00:04.02 | bluefox83 | O.o |
| 00:04.04 | repp | ruied: yes |
| 00:04.10 | bluefox83 | how would i..fix that problem/ |
| 00:04.12 | bluefox83 | ? |
| 00:04.22 | acai | i'm working on this machine that sits behind my workbench that i want to use as a sandbox/server/music player... only problem is finding a toxt-based program that will play CDs and MP3 streams |
| 00:04.35 | bluefox83 | what is syslogd and can i do without it? |
| 00:04.44 | Jmax | acai, vlc |
| 00:04.52 | repp | bluefox83: use "ethereal" or similar to analyze your network traffic. Then fix it. |
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| 00:04.55 | Jmax | acai, vlc NOT wxvlc |
| 00:05.01 | Coweater | acai: mplayer |
| 00:05.02 | acai | vlc is text-based? |
| 00:05.05 | rendi | i'm run apache with user nobody |
| 00:05.12 | rendi | and put my html file on /home/john |
| 00:05.17 | rendi | ErrorDocument 404 /userid/notfound.html <== this is nobody userid or john ? |
| 00:05.19 | acai | ...text based, man |
| 00:05.30 | Jmax | acai, it can be |
| 00:05.32 | acai | thta was directed at Coweater |
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| 00:05.47 | Jmax | so can mplayer |
| 00:05.51 | Jmax | :] |
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| 00:06.11 | rendi | is there anybody out there |
| 00:06.27 | repp | rendi: usually, it works like this: |
| 00:06.40 | acai | Jmax cool, i'll install that |
| 00:06.43 | Eulex | Jmax, yeah, you even make it convert a movie to colored ansi with aalib |
| 00:06.48 | repp | rendi: you put the html in /home/john/public_html/ (such as index.html) |
| 00:06.52 | Jmax | Eulex, yup |
| 00:07.08 | repp | rendi: then you go to http://foo.com/~john/ |
| 00:07.15 | rendi | so repp in joh dir mkdir public_html ? |
| 00:07.16 | ruied | does it worth it, changing from sarge to etch? |
| 00:07.21 | repp | rendi: yes |
| 00:07.38 | pucko | Is it possible to install a kernel module "manually" and not have to recompile/reinstall it for every minor kernel upgrade? |
| 00:07.40 | rendi | ok thanks repp i'll try now |
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| 00:07.57 | repp | rendi: also: chmod a+x ~john; chmod a+xr ~john/public_html |
| 00:08.09 | repp | rendi: that ensures the webserver has permission to read those files. |
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| 00:08.29 | Jmax | how can i tell a daemon to start on boot? with gentoo it was rc-update |
| 00:09.00 | bbrazil | update-rc.d |
| 00:09.01 | Coweater | update-rc.d |
| 00:09.05 | acai | argh! it sucks when you have to crap, but the chair you're sitting in is so comfortable, you don't want to get up |
| 00:09.08 | zOap | Anyone have experience with getting the TV Out to work with totem? It's a i810 chipset/graphic card... |
| 00:09.16 | bbrazil | pucko: in theory yes, in practice maybe. |
| 00:09.32 | Jmax | thanks |
| 00:09.57 | zOap | I have so far gotten the signal but I have to boot with the s-video plug in to get the desktop on tv, but I want to stream it through fullscreen. Any help apreciated |
| 00:10.22 | postel | Jmax: you might want to try rcconf too, a small curses based frontend to let you see all your daemons and toggle their boot-start |
| 00:10.34 | Jmax | oh cool |
| 00:10.36 | Jmax | thanks |
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| 00:11.44 | darkdude | ok with etch's jigdo files, do they give u the ISOs? |
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| 00:11.50 | pucko | bbrazil, but where should I put the module? every kernel upgrade creates a new dir in /lib/modules |
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| 00:12.19 | bbrazil | pucko: you can confiugre modprobe to also use non-kernel-named directories |
| 00:12.19 | bluefox83 | i haven't a clue how to use ethereal O.O |
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| 00:13.30 | bluefox83 | would it hurt anything if i just killed syslogd? |
| 00:13.46 | Eulex | bluefox83, you'd kill your log output |
| 00:14.03 | bluefox83 | Eulex, at this point i'm not sure i care about the log output... |
| 00:14.06 | Eulex | if that qualifies as hurting soemthing I do not know... |
| 00:14.20 | Eulex | bluefox83, you should keep your logs if possible. |
| 00:14.36 | bluefox83 | Eulex, well syslogd is eattin gup my cpu load like it's candy |
| 00:14.44 | bluefox83 | *eatting up |
| 00:14.50 | Shadowcat | bluefox83: it is candy ;) |
| 00:14.52 | blondie | eating |
| 00:14.57 | Eulex | bluefox83, umh... that sounds bad... it uses 100% cpu? |
| 00:15.13 | blondie | my CPU has a capacity of 500%! |
| 00:15.21 | Jinkguns | I don't think my sound card is functioning correctly, how do I check to see if it works? |
| 00:15.25 | bluefox83 | between 13 and 23 % cpu right now |
| 00:15.43 | bluefox83 | and there's just no reaosn for it.. |
| 00:15.50 | Eulex | bluefox83, is any program logging anything? |
| 00:16.00 | bluefox83 | Eulex, not to my knowledge |
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| 00:16.10 | xWin2 | hello |
| 00:16.14 | bluefox83 | whats klogd? |
| 00:16.16 | blondie | hi |
| 00:16.24 | bluefox83 | it's also eatting up way too much cpu load |
| 00:16.30 | xWin2 | how to ghost my hd with debian ? |
| 00:16.38 | Jmax | bluefox83, i was about to ask that |
| 00:16.46 | Eulex | bluefox83, cat /var/log/syslog|tail -- do that now and a few seconds later |
| 00:17.37 | bluefox83 | now i'm getting errors from eth1! |
| 00:17.50 | ruied | I need one opinion: shall I change to debian testing? I would like some ffedback about the possible advantages/disavantages from upgrading my system |
| 00:18.00 | Eulex | bluefox83, there's your problem |
| 00:18.19 | Eulex | ruied, do you use kde stuff? |
| 00:18.19 | bluefox83 | ah, hah! |
| 00:18.23 | dvs | ruied: No, you shouldn't change because it is always changing. |
| 00:18.26 | thingfish | ruied: if you stick with stable, you have a system that you can use and which is very dependable. |
| 00:18.32 | bluefox83 | i killed eth1 and suddenly cpu went to almost 0 |
| 00:18.45 | blondie | hx0ring |
| 00:18.49 | bluefox83 | how do i unload a module? |
| 00:18.52 | blondie | +4 |
| 00:18.54 | bluefox83 | er, kernel mod |
| 00:19.10 | blondie | modprobe -r |
| 00:19.12 | zOap | rmmod |
| 00:19.14 | blondie | GAH |
| 00:19.25 | bluefox83 | there =) |
| 00:19.35 | bluefox83 | ty folks! |
| 00:19.35 | acai | how do i switch channels in bitchx? |
| 00:19.37 | blondie | my debian box has starting making a faint noise when CPU activity occurs again :( |
| 00:19.51 | blondie | acai: apt-get install irssi-text && irssi |
| 00:19.52 | blondie | :P |
| 00:19.59 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 00:20.03 | zOap | acai, man bitchx? |
| 00:20.06 | bluefox83 | you don't need && |
| 00:20.14 | thingfish | what kind of a noise, blondie? |
| 00:20.21 | acai | ...argh on you! and by 'faint noise' what exactly do you mean? |
| 00:20.30 | blondie | cross between a beep and a screech |
| 00:20.35 | thingfish | eww |
| 00:20.36 | bluefox83 | O.o |
| 00:20.39 | blondie | rather quiet but audible |
| 00:20.45 | bluefox83 | your fan might be dying |
| 00:20.51 | blondie | no |
| 00:20.59 | blondie | it's not that |
| 00:21.06 | DpakoH | how to unpack vmlinuz? |
| 00:21.11 | thingfish | is it the motherboard's little speaker? |
| 00:21.12 | DpakoH | I need simple vmlinux image for oprofile and don't want to recompile kernel |
| 00:21.18 | bluefox83 | well your cpu doesn't have any moving parts..just your fan on your heatsink... |
| 00:21.19 | DpakoH | checked through the documentation and found upx-ucl-beta which can save dump of unpacked kernel to file, but oprofile can't accept it |
| 00:21.27 | zOap | blondie, try to max up you cpu, does it get worse? What about your disk drive? Check that too |
| 00:21.30 | thingfish | he probably knows that. |
| 00:21.40 | blondie | it could be the speaker |
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| 00:21.57 | acai | blondie: are you hearing it through your stereo speakers, or your system speaker? |
| 00:21.59 | blondie | it sounds like interference of some sort |
| 00:22.08 | ruied | I use kde and gnome, I'm using it with my 32'' TV. the main purpose is to use it as a movie player, mp3 player, viewing fotos, some kind of media center... plus it has samba as a domain server for windows clients... bottom line: I would like to change to the newest desktop (eye candy reasons) and also, to have som consistency ( in samba server)... So, I don't know what to do. what do you guys suggest to me? |
| 00:22.13 | thingfish | I'm wondering if it's coming out of the motherboard's onboard speaker, thinking it could be some error beep, but hard to say. |
| 00:22.17 | blondie | either the system speaker or another component on the motherboard |
| 00:22.30 | thingfish | interference, huh... |
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| 00:22.36 | blondie | yes |
| 00:22.47 | blondie | although, it only happens in debian and not freebsd |
| 00:22.54 | zOap | ruied, etch |
| 00:22.55 | acai | blondie: i had the same occurance, and i was told that because the sound card is integrated, the cpu activity is causing interference |
| 00:23.12 | acai | blondie: i only have that problem in windoze, though |
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| 00:23.27 | ruied | zOap, thanks... |
| 00:23.30 | blondie | I think it's something like that, but it's the system speaker |
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| 00:23.40 | zOap | or go for ubuntu, they always try to get the latest packages. But it might be unstable on some systems |
| 00:23.49 | acai | blondie: oh... system speaker..... well, you can always disconnect it if it anoys you too much |
| 00:23.51 | ruied | any of you guys recomend me to stay in sarge? if so why ? |
| 00:23.54 | zOap | personally I don't like ubuntu |
| 00:24.04 | zOap | ruied, stabillity |
| 00:24.15 | blondie | acai: not without a soldering iron (though that is an option) |
| 00:24.18 | thingfish | ruied: I do. Because it works. |
| 00:24.28 | ekkikrist | blondie: just rip the wires out |
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| 00:24.52 | blondie | there aren't any wires |
| 00:24.54 | acai | zOap: i've heard only good things about ubuntu, but my personal experience was less than great |
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| 00:25.14 | blondie | it's one of those small ones soldered directly on |
| 00:25.24 | ekkikrist | blondie: oh like a via mb :( |
| 00:25.27 | acai | zOap: i suppose that from the standpoint of a windows user, it's great, but it falls below the marks for most linux users |
| 00:25.34 | blondie | yes it's a via mini-itx one |
| 00:25.39 | ruied | hmm, I want stability in samba, and also want the latest kde, gnome and X... so I don't know what to do.. |
| 00:26.02 | acai | ruied: www.gentoo.org |
| 00:26.20 | blondie | lol |
| 00:26.39 | zOap | acai, well , it did win that award, so something must be nice. But I don't like the way it handles certain things.. And a bit sloppy package handling. I totally agree with you, for windows user it's a dream, but for the diehard cli freak it doesn't come close:) |
| 00:26.41 | blondie | traitor |
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| 00:27.00 | blondie | gentoo is not a dream for windows users |
| 00:27.15 | zOap | lol, no, ubuntu is:) |
| 00:27.15 | acai | zOap: what cli user would ever install ubuntu? |
| 00:27.19 | blondie | oh right |
| 00:27.32 | acai | zOap: the specific problem i had with it was its user handling |
| 00:27.33 | zOap | acai, haha, yeah, you said it:grin: |
| 00:27.52 | ruied | acai, never tried, and I don't have to much time to learn the way gentoo works... but, going to check it... |
| 00:28.03 | blondie | gentoo is a pain in the arse ;) |
| 00:28.03 | zOap | acai, right on. Root not enabled and such silly things.. |
| 00:28.08 | acai | zOap: the first user configured is administrator, and root is disabled by default, then it's a bitch to create a new user |
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| 00:28.15 | ruied | hehe |
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| 00:28.19 | zOap | yeah |
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| 00:28.42 | zOap | have to give the poor root a passwd before its even there:) |
| 00:28.54 | Eulex | acai, that's kinda insane imho |
| 00:29.04 | thingfish | I ran sid for a six months or so, ran fedora before that, eventually my tolerance for bugs evaporated. Now I run sarge, no etch, no sid, and am perfectly happy. |
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| 00:29.47 | acai | ruied: well, i love gentoo <3 <3 <3 ... but it just takes a day or two to install and some big packages take a while to compile, but the only major operational difference is in the package manager |
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| 00:30.12 | thingfish | ubuntu seemed unfinished, to me, the times I tried it. |
| 00:30.58 | thingfish | aack laundry |
| 00:31.05 | zOap | thingfish, only problem is if you own a rare system and have to rely on obscure packages to get things done. Then its a pain to be in stable.. But for all other purposes its great. Damn stabile. |
| 00:31.10 | ruied | another thing, I'm compilig mplayer in debian sarge, it reports an error saying that it needs the X11 devel, what package shall I install to have that? |
| 00:31.32 | secher | xlibs-dev prolly |
| 00:31.34 | zOap | ruied, xfree-dev |
| 00:31.40 | EdLin | !wayc ruid |
| 00:31.41 | dpkg | ruid: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 00:31.53 | ruied | acai, I'm curious about gentoo for a few years, but didn't have the time/patiece to trie it. :) |
| 00:32.05 | ruied | zOap, thanks |
| 00:32.10 | zOap | np |
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| 00:32.24 | darkdude | err is etch the testing distro>: |
| 00:32.26 | darkdude | ? |
| 00:32.40 | azeem | yes |
| 00:33.01 | darkdude | thx azeem |
| 00:33.18 | ruied | think I'm going for a major step, upgrading to etch... |
| 00:33.24 | zOap | So, hands in the air all that are on dialup. Two hands in the air for those that are on a broadband but are hacking somebody elses dialup to surf on :grin: |
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| 00:33.57 | azeem | zOap: how is this related to this channel? |
| 00:34.01 | bluefox83 | why the hell would i waiste my time hacking a dialup user just to surf at a slower speed? |
| 00:34.13 | zOap | azeem, it's not |
| 00:34.21 | azeem | zOap: so why do you bring it up? |
| 00:34.57 | zOap | azeem, it is a "discussion" channel? no law that it should be Topic only |
| 00:34.58 | zOap | ? |
| 00:35.17 | azeem | zOap: this channel is for Debian end-user support |
| 00:35.50 | acai | how do i change the focused channel in irssi? |
| 00:35.52 | hammerabi | wow, firefox sure does explode if /home is full |
| 00:35.53 | zOap | azeem, yes, and for discussing life, the latest windows blow and so on and so on |
| 00:36.03 | hammerabi | acai: /window NN or meta-N |
| 00:36.10 | azeem | off-topic discussions are tolerated as long as they are (i) unintrusive (ii) conducted among regulars or (iii) not about anything which is against the spirit of the Debian project |
| 00:36.13 | hammerabi | meta may be alt for you |
| 00:36.24 | hammerabi | zOap: no, windows crap is almost certainly off-topic |
| 00:36.30 | zOap | azeem, It was a joke, |
| 00:36.40 | azeem | zOap: you seem to have violated (iii) with your hacking (cracking, really) remark above |
| 00:36.43 | zOap | my god, how tence |
| 00:36.48 | secher | zOap: cracking a dialup is no big shakes, and no one's interested in your scriptkiddie skillz. |
| 00:36.51 | acai | hrmmmmm |
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| 00:37.02 | azeem | zOap: so just let it drop |
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| 00:37.19 | zOap | haha, that was to be my next typo |
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| 00:37.39 | acai | dtmfdial is a fun little app |
| 00:37.43 | el_cubano | Anyone know why I can get a remote machine to get users and passwords from LDAP, but not the machine running slapd? |
| 00:38.03 | azeem | hey gravity |
| 00:38.19 | gravity | Hey azeem. How's it going? |
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| 00:38.46 | secher | !root |
| 00:38.46 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 00:39.05 | dale | I am still plugging away about this sound card. the PnP system seesit and sys it configuresit. says SB audio device quirk - increasing port range then says Card 'Creative SB16 PnP' these msg's from isapnp |
| 00:39.14 | azeem | gravity: fine, fine. I'm at my grandmother's with crappy dialup |
| 00:39.18 | zOap | secher, you just sat there all night waiting for that to happen, yes?;O |
| 00:39.22 | azeem | ...though |
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| 00:39.38 | secher | zOap: nope.. been compiling E17 actually. |
| 00:39.54 | secher | abrotman!! Guess what I got for christmas!!!!!! |
| 00:39.59 | zOap | secher, E17? What does it do? |
| 00:40.02 | dale | I suspect that whatever config it isgiving is notbeing pickedupby the es1371 driver. Does any one know what the defaults are |
| 00:40.05 | acai | let's say i was the admin of a system and i was suspicious of what another user on that system was doing. how would i monitor their session? |
| 00:40.07 | secher | zOap: get-e.org |
| 00:40.10 | abrotman | secher: sly fox gift card ? |
| 00:40.18 | zOap | secher, thanks |
| 00:40.29 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 00:40.29 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
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| 00:40.54 | tuv | how do i make changes to /etc/group effective immediately |
| 00:41.07 | abrotman | logout/login |
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| 00:41.21 | dale | tuv-they are read as requiredby whatever needs them. IE savethe file |
| 00:41.21 | bluefox83 | i was unaware that enlightenment dr17 had been released o.o |
| 00:41.27 | zOap | abrotman, and if youre in ion, just restart it:) |
| 00:41.28 | Jinkguns | I just installed debian stable, when I turn on my computer my speaks make a buzz buzz sound and when I try to change the volume I get a no device/mixer found error. |
| 00:41.44 | secher | abrotman: Nope, a LaCie electron22BlueIV monitor: 2048 X 1024 @ 75 Hz... 22" using an Hitachi Diamondtron CRT. WOOT |
| 00:41.49 | zOap | Jinkguns, do you have the right driver? |
| 00:41.49 | dvs | Jinkguns: You're probably mixing ALSA and OSS |
| 00:41.57 | dale | Jinkguns: prob soundcard is not configed.Ihavethisprob |
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| 00:42.09 | Jinkguns | Well I just did a basic installation. |
| 00:42.14 | dale | bbl |
| 00:42.19 | abrotman | zOap: that's what i said |
| 00:42.19 | Jinkguns | All default settings, selected desktop enviroment. |
| 00:42.20 | secher | abrotman: err. 2048 @ 60 hz.. 1600 @ 85 rather. |
| 00:42.30 | rendi | cat .htaccess |
| 00:42.30 | rendi | ErrorDocument 404 /65534/notfound.html |
| 00:42.31 | Jinkguns | Any help I get would be apprdciated. |
| 00:42.34 | abrotman | secher: your kids must love oyu :) |
| 00:42.35 | zOap | abrotman, in ion you don't have to logout/in |
| 00:42.39 | Jinkguns | *appreciated |
| 00:42.47 | rendi | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.48 | rendi | can help me |
| 00:42.50 | abrotman | zOap: you just said .. restart it |
| 00:42.56 | rendi | how to change 404 |
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| 00:43.19 | rendi | "/65534/" <--== this is john id or nobody id |
| 00:43.19 | zOap | abrotman, yes its a function in ion, without log out |
| 00:43.19 | secher | abrotman: daughter worships the ground I walk on. I've got her hooked on Gnotravex and Tuxracer. |
| 00:43.27 | Jinkguns | How do I configure my sound card? |
| 00:43.27 | rendi | cause i'm run apache with nobody |
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| 00:43.39 | secher | err.. tuxcart. |
| 00:43.42 | hammerabi | Jinkguns: to do what? |
| 00:43.50 | abrotman | zOap: uhm .. ok |
| 00:44.06 | abrotman | secher: you let her spend tha tmuch ? |
| 00:44.24 | dvs | !alsaconf |
| 00:44.30 | dabaR | what is the resolv.conf factoid again? |
| 00:44.31 | dvs | damn again! |
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| 00:44.47 | rendi | ? |
| 00:44.51 | Jinkguns | I just installed debian stable, when I turn on my computer my speaks make a buzz buzz sound and when I try to change the volume I get a no device/mixer found error. |
| 00:44.56 | rendi | help me |
| 00:44.56 | Jinkguns | All default settings, selected desktop enviroment. |
| 00:45.03 | dvs | Jinkguns: I'd run alsaconf |
| 00:45.20 | bluefox83 | the dr17 packages in that website you guys just posted a link to..those aren't safe to use are they? |
| 00:45.28 | zOap | Jinkguns, and look for a kernel module for your soundcard |
| 00:45.29 | abrotman | define safe |
| 00:45.39 | secher | abrotman: Oh, no, she's only 7.. LOL.. my parents hooked me up. I"m 34, and my Mom still goes apeshit over Christmas. She only works so she has all she wants to spend on Christmas for the family. She's nuts, but I love her. |
| 00:45.42 | bluefox83 | my computer is not going to go up in flames is it? |
| 00:45.44 | Jinkguns | I don't have alsa conf, my install is 3 minutes old. |
| 00:45.53 | dvs | !alsa |
| 00:45.53 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 00:45.56 | abrotman | bluefox83: define flames |
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| 00:46.21 | hammerabi | alsaconf is of no use |
| 00:46.23 | zOap | Jinkguns, apt-get install alsa alsa-base alsaconf |
| 00:46.25 | dvs | Jinkguns: What kernel are you using? |
| 00:46.28 | bluefox83 | abrotman, fire |
| 00:46.32 | absolutzero | Does anyone know of a good console based media package? (Image viewer, media player)? |
| 00:46.39 | hammerabi | if it's PCI, jut load the module for it |
| 00:46.43 | Jinkguns | dvs, the default kernel on the latest .iso/network install. |
| 00:46.44 | secher | zOap: I gave you the URL because it's simpler than trying to explain Enlightenment. |
| 00:46.44 | abrotman | bluefox83: probably not .. . |
| 00:46.46 | blondie | absolutzero: mplayer/VLC? |
| 00:46.48 | Jinkguns | 2.4.something |
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| 00:46.57 | zOap | secher, ? |
| 00:47.04 | hammerabi | absolutzero: you need to be more specific... |
| 00:47.04 | absolutzero | does it allow for image viewing? |
| 00:47.05 | secher | zOap: get-e.org |
| 00:47.12 | dvs | Jinkguns: I'd install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 00:47.19 | hammerabi | ie svgalib? fb? aalib? |
| 00:47.21 | zOap | secher, :) ok, my head. my head:) |
| 00:47.25 | zOap | thanks btw |
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| 00:48.00 | absolutzero | Something that allows me to view images (jpg,png,bmp) and watch mpeg video, and mp3 audio |
| 00:48.18 | azeem | absolutzero: why on the console? |
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| 00:48.23 | bluefox83 | abrotman, you guys don't support DR17 though do you? |
| 00:48.26 | hammerabi | using one program for that would be silly |
| 00:48.29 | absolutzero | because I prefer the console |
| 00:48.32 | secher | zOap: if you're up for the novelty, get shadoi's E17 packages.. abrotman: what was that !cmd again? |
| 00:48.32 | hammerabi | fbi can use FB to display images |
| 00:48.37 | secher | !dr17 |
| 00:48.37 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 00:48.40 | hammerabi | mplayer can do the same for movies |
| 00:48.46 | secher | zOap: ^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 00:48.46 | hammerabi | cplay is quite a nice music player |
| 00:48.55 | Dark_Oppressor | I downloaded the two cd isos, but when i boot from disc one, it says that a file cannot be copied, any idea why? |
| 00:48.56 | Jinkguns | dvs, I did that and got a bunch of unresolved symbols errors. :/ |
| 00:48.58 | absolutzero | fbi? come on debian? |
| 00:49.05 | abrotman | bluefox83: nope |
| 00:49.10 | SimonRaven | bluefox83: no. #e |
| 00:49.11 | Lilldude10 | tried to install debain on pc get panick error wont install |
| 00:49.12 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 00:49.12 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 00:49.15 | abrotman | secher: ^^ |
| 00:49.16 | Lilldude10 | what can i doo? |
| 00:49.24 | dvs | Jinkguns: Huh? Using "apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r)" ? |
| 00:49.24 | zOap | secher, yes, looked at it. You have any nifty screenshots? |
| 00:49.27 | secher | abrotman: I remembered. |
| 00:49.35 | azeem | Lilldude10: which version did you install? |
| 00:49.37 | bluefox83 | Lilldude10, throw your computer inthe trash and get one that works with debian :) |
| 00:49.38 | absolutzero | How do I know if I have a frame buffer device? |
| 00:49.50 | SimonRaven | cat /proc/fb0 |
| 00:49.56 | absolutzero | aha |
| 00:49.57 | Lilldude10 | i guess so blue it was for a freind |
| 00:49.58 | rendi | hi how to disable this line "Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux)" |
| 00:50.01 | Lilldude10 | mine works |
| 00:50.06 | secher | Heh, you know, I have no freaking idea how to take a screenshot? <grin> |
| 00:50.06 | hammerabi | rendi: why? |
| 00:50.24 | rendi | from my browser |
| 00:50.26 | hammerabi | secher: import -root foo.png |
| 00:50.28 | rendi | i mean how to hide it |
| 00:50.34 | rendi | hammerabi can help |
| 00:50.36 | hammerabi | rendi: why? |
| 00:50.36 | secher | zOap: but it's *beautiful* |
| 00:50.37 | zOap | secher, you have imagemagik? import -root filename or something |
| 00:50.41 | zOap | hehe |
| 00:50.43 | absolutzero | said no such file or directory |
| 00:50.48 | zOap | I believe you:) |
| 00:50.52 | rendi | in what file i must edit |
| 00:51.01 | Jinkguns | insmod snd-via82xx.o failed. |
| 00:51.10 | dvs | !insmod |
| 00:51.10 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 00:51.23 | absolutzero | is it pissble to trabsfer files via ssh? |
| 00:51.28 | absolutzero | transfer* |
| 00:51.30 | Jinkguns | alsaconf used modprobe. |
| 00:51.35 | Jinkguns | insmod i mean |
| 00:51.36 | secher | it's still compiling.. when it's done and set up, if you're still here, I'll get you some shots. |
| 00:51.37 | zOap | absolutzero, yes |
| 00:51.38 | secher | bbiab |
| 00:51.39 | Dark_Oppressor | how many cds should i have for installing debian? |
| 00:51.43 | zOap | ofcourse it is |
| 00:51.47 | hammerabi | Dark_Oppressor: depends |
| 00:51.51 | dvs | Dark_Oppressor: one is the min |
| 00:51.51 | absolutzero | how would I do that? |
| 00:51.52 | bluefox83 | Dark_Oppressor, you can do it with just one |
| 00:51.54 | zOap | Dark_Oppressor, one, the netinst |
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| 00:52.15 | dvs | Jinkguns: install alsa-utils "apt-get install alsa-utils" and use alsaconf |
| 00:52.16 | absolutzero | ftp in the shell? |
| 00:52.18 | Dark_Oppressor | i already downloaded and burned the binary-1 and binary02 ones |
| 00:52.26 | Dark_Oppressor | binary-2* |
| 00:52.37 | dvs | Dark_Oppressor: That's good enough with a good internet connection. |
| 00:52.39 | dabaR_ | !resolv.conf |
| 00:52.40 | hammerabi | Dark_Oppressor: if you have a fast internet connection, there's no point in having any cds |
| 00:52.45 | Dark_Oppressor | oh ok |
| 00:52.51 | Dark_Oppressor | so just get the netinst one? |
| 00:52.58 | dvs | Dark_Oppressor: That'll work too |
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| 00:53.02 | zOap | hammerabi, o_O :O right on |
| 00:53.06 | darkdude | what happened to the debian-jr project? |
| 00:53.11 | dvs | Dark_Oppressor: Well, if you have those, use it |
| 00:53.17 | Dark_Oppressor | when i tried to use the binary-1 cd, it said it was corrupted |
| 00:53.23 | Dark_Oppressor | that a file couldnt be copied |
| 00:53.29 | absolutzero | man the more I use debian, the more I like it |
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| 00:53.33 | bluefox83 | the link you guys gave for DR17 is for ubuntu isn't it =( |
| 00:53.36 | Dark_Oppressor | so is the iso screwed up? |
| 00:53.43 | dvs | Dark_Oppressor: Run md5sums to make sure they downloaded right |
| 00:53.44 | zOap | Dark_Oppressor, always download the md5 with the iso |
| 00:53.45 | Jinkguns | http://pastebin.com/479744 <--- Thgat's what happened. dvs, my installation is four minutes old, I selected Desktop Enviroment, that's it. I'm running the default kernel image. |
| 00:53.47 | absolutzero | I have used Knoppix, Mandrake, Redhat...they all gave me trouble |
| 00:53.47 | hammerabi | Dark_Oppressor: no your download mnight be, though |
| 00:53.55 | Dark_Oppressor | ok thanks, ill do that |
| 00:53.56 | Jinkguns | Mind having a look, dvs? |
| 00:54.14 | Dark_Oppressor | how do i check that? |
| 00:54.28 | zOap | Dark_Oppressor, use a md5 checker. |
| 00:54.32 | Dark_Oppressor | oh ok i found one |
| 00:54.36 | Dark_Oppressor | google ftw |
| 00:54.37 | zOap | :) |
| 00:55.39 | absolutzero | also VNC is only letting me view at 640x480 and I would like at least 800x600 how do i change that? |
| 00:55.39 | darkdude | ok so debian-jr is dead.... |
| 00:55.39 | zOap | absolutzero, it could be the video driver |
| 00:55.39 | dvs | Jinkguns: It seems like the modules doesn't go with the kernel. |
| 00:55.48 | zOap | it might not let you to do more than that. check the graphich card on google |
| 00:56.13 | absolutzero | yeah... it does really suck lol |
| 00:56.22 | absolutzero | deson't even have OpenGL support |
| 00:56.26 | zOap | darkdude, it's a shame if it is. We need to get debian to the people, the next generation |
| 00:56.37 | Dark_Oppressor | ok, the md5 is totally different from what its supposed to be |
| 00:56.47 | Dark_Oppressor | im just gonna download the netinst one |
| 00:56.48 | Jinkguns | oh ffs. |
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| 00:56.51 | zOap | Dark_Oppressor, there you have it. download the file again |
| 00:56.56 | Dark_Oppressor | ok cool, thanks |
| 00:56.59 | Jinkguns | I was going to compile my own kernel anyway, guess I might as well do it now. |
| 00:57.00 | Jinkguns | heh. |
| 00:57.02 | Dark_Oppressor | id never used an md5 thingy before |
| 00:57.03 | absolutzero | brb |
| 00:57.08 | dvs | Jinkguns: Sure, do it. |
| 00:57.11 | zOap | Dark_Oppressor, good boy:) netinst rules |
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| 00:57.18 | dvs | Jinkguns: Just use the kernel-package |
| 00:57.27 | Dark_Oppressor | :) |
| 00:57.34 | Jinkguns | uhh, kernel-package? :/ |
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| 00:57.41 | dvs | !kp |
| 00:57.41 | dpkg | from memory, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 00:58.55 | dabaR_ | What is the factoid that talks about "ISP fucking with your DNS settings, blah blah blah..." |
| 00:59.16 | Jinkguns | Are suggested packages dependencies/ |
| 00:59.16 | Jinkguns | ? |
| 00:59.16 | dvs | !isp fucking with your dns settings |
| 00:59.23 | azeem | Jinkguns: no |
| 00:59.25 | zOap | hyperactivecrond, ad/hd?:) |
| 00:59.31 | dvs | nothing |
| 00:59.32 | acai | what's the package name for mplayer? |
| 00:59.40 | dabaR_ | What is a good DNS server IP address? |
| 00:59.40 | azeem | acai: it is not in debian |
| 00:59.50 | azeem | !marillat |
| 00:59.50 | dpkg | somebody said marillat was an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 00:59.52 | zOap | acai, apt-cache search mplayer |
| 00:59.53 | Jinkguns | gotta compile from source, buddy.:D |
| 00:59.55 | azeem | acai: ^^ |
| 00:59.57 | acai | azeem ... ah, ok |
| 01:00.12 | acai | zOap why don't you try that command yoursalf and see why i'm asking |
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| 01:00.36 | rendi | hi i'm use apache2 and how to hide servertoken ? |
| 01:00.36 | zOap | acai, hehe, got ya, didn't bother, lazy mf I am:) |
| 01:00.37 | ke6isf | dabaR: Ask your internet provider. |
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| 01:00.57 | rendi | i don't find anything on apache2.conf |
| 01:01.13 | dabaR_ | ke6isf: Ya, I know, but that one factoid tells you. I want to test something. do you know that factoid? it is about resolv.conf, and attr +i, and so on. |
| 01:01.29 | close_to_debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.31 | common | hi, running stable, apt-get remove esound would remove quite everything, even cups, any idea howto get rid of it? |
| 01:01.35 | close_to_debian | But smartctl -a <dev> says device is not suppoted |
| 01:01.46 | ke6isf | dabaR: I know nothing about it. What about the search commands for dpkg? |
| 01:02.03 | common | ke6isf: apt-cache search foo |
| 01:02.04 | hammerabi | rendi: why do you want to "hide" it? |
| 01:02.15 | azeem | common: just disable it, I'd say |
| 01:02.15 | hammerabi | common: why are you trying to remove it? |
| 01:02.35 | common | blocks the dsp device |
| 01:02.38 | ke6isf | common: No, for the bot. |
| 01:02.38 | acai | well, i'm having a lot of trouble with vlc's command-line interface |
| 01:02.41 | hammerabi | common: just stop it running then |
| 01:02.48 | nesys | hi folks ... I've a deb file, I would debuild, re-patch the source and remake the deb file ... how could I do that? that's possible? |
| 01:02.54 | common | thats not a solution hammerabi |
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| 01:03.10 | nesys | I don't know if 'debuild' is the correct word |
| 01:03.11 | nesys | :) |
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| 01:03.38 | hammerabi | nesys: get the package source, patch it, then run 'debuild -rfakeroot', yes |
| 01:03.38 | ke6isf | nesys: What package are you trying to alter? |
| 01:03.42 | gravity | nesys: Just get the original sources to the deb. apt-get source debname |
| 01:03.42 | absolutzero | hmmm |
| 01:03.45 | azeem | nesys: you need to source package to rebuild the .deb |
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| 01:04.00 | absolutzero | how do I get information about my video card? |
| 01:04.05 | abrotman | lspci |
| 01:04.19 | azeem | wow, cluefull people overload |
| 01:04.26 | gravity | hehe |
| 01:04.33 | gravity | azeem: It's all you if you want it :-) |
| 01:04.48 | absolutzero | detaches? |
| 01:04.48 | nesys | ke6isf http://smarden.org/pape/Debian/qmail.html |
| 01:04.53 | azeem | I'm doing uni work on the other terminal right now, thanks :) |
| 01:04.59 | Scik | I just installed Debian for the first time... and im having some issues... anyone want to help a n00b? |
| 01:05.10 | abrotman | azeem: you're not at work! |
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| 01:05.11 | gravity | Ok :-) |
| 01:05.18 | azeem | abrotman: SSH! |
| 01:05.18 | absolutzero | what kinda issues Scik? |
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| 01:05.51 | abrotman | azeem: no .. i meant it's time to stop |
| 01:05.57 | ke6isf | Scik: What flavor of Debian ar eyou using? |
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| 01:06.02 | azeem | abrotman: but after four beers, it's more fun! |
| 01:06.17 | abrotman | azeem: if only every work day started that way |
| 01:06.30 | Kovecses | hello |
| 01:06.33 | azeem | I'm just checking in for a bit anyway, I can't really do much with this crappy dialup here |
| 01:06.45 | Scik | absolutzero - I did the auto install from the first DVD I made... Using the latest version (3.1?)... everything went swell then it restarted... seemed to load a bunch of stuff... and the stopped. |
| 01:06.47 | abrotman | we need a dialupsmite :) |
| 01:07.19 | blondie | rar |
| 01:07.21 | Kovecses | i just trashed gentoo and came back to debian sid... 7 hours to get kde installed is too friggin much |
| 01:07.22 | dabaR_ | I can get an IP address from the router, but can not ping it, or ping the web, by ip nor domain name. domain names just hang when I ping, and ip addresses get packet loss. |
| 01:07.30 | dabaR_ | What can I try doing? |
| 01:07.52 | ke6isf | abrotman: I'd make one, but I don't remember the command to show the literal for a factoid. |
| 01:07.53 | abrotman | cannot ping what ? |
| 01:07.59 | tarzeau | Kovecses: you like kde? |
| 01:08.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: you like gnustep? |
| 01:08.15 | tarzeau | yeah compiling c++ *is* slow |
| 01:08.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes of course |
| 01:08.32 | Kovecses | tarzeau: among others yes |
| 01:08.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. compiling 131,234,345,746 lines for kde is slow |
| 01:08.33 | dabaR_ | cannot ping the router, I can get an IP address from it, though. |
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| 01:08.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: besides since debian sid gnustep is so uber borked. i compile it myself, goes fairly quick |
| 01:08.41 | Scik | absolutzero: Its also on a laptop running 1Ghz celeron, 512 ram and 10GB HD. |
| 01:08.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: fix it ! |
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| 01:08.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: all the gnustep core is just 5 mb tarballed gzipped |
| 01:08.57 | abrotman | dabaR_: what IP do you get ? |
| 01:09.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can't just hijack foreign packages |
| 01:09.06 | Kovecses | tarzeau: what do you run? |
| 01:09.12 | tarzeau | Kovecses: gnustep/wmaker |
| 01:09.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: NMU! |
| 01:09.17 | gravity | tarzeau: You've ITP'ed 95% of gnustep though |
| 01:09.22 | azeem | we need a troll-gnustep factoid |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:09.29 | tarzeau | azeem: there's one |
| 01:09.37 | zOap | dabaR_, you have ran dclient and positive that it's a ip from dhcp? |
| 01:09.38 | dabaR_ | a proper one, like always, and it worked before, I do not think I did anything weird. It even worked on this boot, and now it does not. the IP is 192.168.0.133, as I have set my router to give to this computer. |
| 01:09.56 | azeem | tarzeau: I should have researched first[tm] |
| 01:09.57 | dabaR_ | it says dhcpack 192.168.0.1, that is the router. |
| 01:10.02 | zOap | dabaR_, sorry |
| 01:10.17 | dabaR_ | why? |
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| 01:10.20 | tarzeau | gravity: it's just applications, and it's not even filling a 650 mb cd |
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| 01:10.31 | zOap | dabaR_, didnt see your line up there:) |
| 01:10.33 | gravity | not... even... filling |
| 01:10.43 | hyperactivecrond | does the debian desktop team have their own channel "officially"? |
| 01:10.53 | abrotman | desktop team? |
| 01:10.55 | tarzeau | hyperactivecrond: #debian-desktop ? |
| 01:10.58 | gravity | There'a a desktop team? |
| 01:11.02 | Kovecses | tarzeau: for my not so bloated dekstops ... i use fluxbox |
| 01:11.09 | tarzeau | there's a sub project or so, debian-desktop |
| 01:11.11 | zOap | my god, I want in on it:) |
| 01:11.11 | azeem | there's no desktop team, really |
| 01:11.17 | tarzeau | but , uhm i wouldn't call that team |
| 01:11.17 | dabaR_ | there is a desktop for debian? |
| 01:11.18 | azeem | tarzeau: it's pretty much dead |
| 01:11.21 | gravity | tarzeau: Xorg doesn't take up a 650 Mb CD either |
| 01:11.22 | tarzeau | azeem: i know ;) |
| 01:11.29 | abrotman | !debian desktop |
| 01:11.29 | dpkg | somebody said debian desktop was the Debian Desktop project, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-desktop/ |
| 01:11.32 | abrotman | who knew |
| 01:11.34 | zOap | dabaR_, lol |
| 01:11.36 | close_to_debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.37 | close_to_debian | But smartctl -a <dev> says device is not suppoted |
| 01:11.39 | tarzeau | gravity: but xorg isn't an application. how large is all kde? or all gnome? |
| 01:11.43 | gravity | I did, but like azeem said. It's dead |
| 01:11.50 | tarzeau | gravity: oh wait maybe gnustep is not supposed to be THAT bloated |
| 01:11.50 | abrotman | define die soon |
| 01:11.52 | gravity | tarzeau: Xorg is lots of applications |
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| 01:12.04 | gravity | tarzeau: And one major one |
| 01:12.09 | tarzeau | gravity: come on, who gets work done with xclock ? |
| 01:12.18 | gravity | tarzeau: xterm? xserver? |
| 01:12.19 | dabaR_ | I have bigger problems than the network not working on this laptop, it seems. |
| 01:12.21 | azeem | yeah, xterm is of no use, either |
| 01:12.23 | Kovecses | tarzeau: i just installed kde .... and it is like 758 megs installed |
| 01:12.25 | Scik | ke6isf : Maybe you can help with my freezing boot problem? Im not even sure if what its telling me is an error or not... |
| 01:12.26 | gravity | xdm? |
| 01:12.29 | close_to_debian | abrotman: I just got that message nothing else -> Disk Failure soon on /dev/sda |
| 01:12.39 | dvs | Kovecses: The key word is "installed" |
| 01:12.41 | tarzeau | gravity: when i see xdm, i need half an hour to recover |
| 01:12.48 | gravity | heh |
| 01:12.48 | abrotman | close_to_debian: lp0 on fire! |
| 01:12.49 | gravity | I don't use it either |
| 01:12.52 | zOap | kde is bloated- ok ok, not starting a war here:) |
| 01:12.56 | azeem | gravity: but to be fair, x.org applications are probably the only ones which are uglier than gnustep apps |
| 01:12.56 | Kovecses | dvs: to download it was like 250 |
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| 01:13.06 | gravity | azeem: True enough, mercifully |
| 01:13.19 | gravity | Although don't forget, the Xserver is an application |
| 01:13.28 | Kovecses | zOap: what do you use? |
| 01:13.34 | gravity | The vast majority of issues in xorg are with the server, not the libs |
| 01:13.35 | zOap | Kovecses, ion3 |
| 01:13.44 | azeem | right |
| 01:13.51 | close_to_debian | abrotman: any idea? |
| 01:14.18 | Kovecses | zOap: i tried ion3 ........ |
| 01:14.31 | abrotman | close_to_debian: backup your data ? |
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| 01:14.37 | zOap | Kovecses, it's the best. if youre a cli fanatic like me:) |
| 01:14.54 | zOap | Or a frame fanatic like me:) |
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| 01:15.05 | dabaR_ | or just a fanatic in general like him |
| 01:15.08 | bizkit | is there a way to start a new term wich has a different DISPLAY environment var set than the current one? |
| 01:15.10 | zOap | Or a minimalist like me:) |
| 01:15.29 | abrotman | someday i'll actually figure out how to decode smartmontools |
| 01:15.29 | Kovecses | zOap: not so good for an eye-candy person like me |
| 01:15.35 | zOap | bizkit, yes hostname:display |
| 01:15.43 | tarzeau | anyone a clue what language/meaning this is "valon lapsi"? |
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| 01:15.54 | zOap | Kovecses, youd be surpiced how good it looks with some tweaks |
| 01:15.58 | bizkit | e.g. i have DISPLAY=:0.0 and now i want to start an aterm on this display, but within this aterm $DISPLAY should be :0.1 |
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| 01:16.12 | Kovecses | zOap: screenie? |
| 01:16.13 | bizkit | zOap: read again please |
| 01:16.15 | glick | excuse me does anyone know how to edit play lists with gtkpod? |
| 01:16.20 | glick | i can create a playlist |
| 01:16.24 | glick | but cant add files to it |
| 01:16.25 | zOap | bizkit, sorry, saw it to late |
| 01:16.31 | zOap | Kovecses, hang on |
| 01:17.06 | abrotman | close_to_debian: how does it say it's dying ? |
| 01:17.12 | g3brown | tarzeau: It's Finnish. |
| 01:17.18 | abrotman | close_to_debian: the overall health line ? |
| 01:17.20 | zOap | Kovecses, http://local.zoapmedia.net/zoapscreen_gimp2.jpg |
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| 01:17.49 | tarzeau | g3brown: and what does it mean? |
| 01:18.11 | Kovecses | close_to_debian: what does your name mean |
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| 01:18.15 | Kovecses | zOap: is there a menu? |
| 01:18.26 | abrotman | Kovecses: probably not really running debian? :) |
| 01:18.27 | zOap | Kovecses, perlpanel |
| 01:18.30 | g3brown | tarzeau: shady child ? |
| 01:18.34 | tarzeau | zOap: looks nice, tried irssi yet? |
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| 01:18.50 | coly | a |
| 01:18.51 | Kovecses | everybody is using irssi these days |
| 01:18.55 | coly | good morning |
| 01:18.57 | coly | ;-) |
| 01:19.02 | g3brown | tarzeau: not a 100% on that |
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| 01:19.08 | zOap | tarzeau, hehe, yeah. But I am kinda sympatethic to xcha:) |
| 01:19.09 | zOap | t |
| 01:19.14 | tarzeau | g3brown: k thanks. and "nimipaeivaelaulu" and "ankkaretket"? |
| 01:19.23 | tarzeau | Kovecses: some use TalkSoup.app |
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| 01:20.08 | Kovecses | bbl gotta play tce |
| 01:20.09 | dabaR_ | Hmm..I can't get it. I get the IP address from the router, and can not ping it. |
| 01:20.18 | g3brown | tarzeau: Is that the same language, cause I have no idea. |
| 01:20.22 | floundering | Hi, I want direct rendering activated. got xlibmesa-gl and xlibmesa-glu xlibmesa-dri, modprobed the drm module mga. did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but no joy. still indirect. what else do I need to do? |
| 01:20.42 | bluefox83 | O.o |
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| 01:20.50 | tarzeau | g3brown: i think, but i'm not sure |
| 01:20.55 | tarzeau | g3brown: heh |
| 01:21.08 | abrotman | floundering: did you read the DRI troubleshooting ? |
| 01:21.24 | g3brown | tarzeau: the other ones with make since in Finnish but the last two, I don't know. |
| 01:21.39 | floundering | no, thanks I will go do it now :) |
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| 01:21.48 | abrotman | floundering: dri.sf.net |
| 01:22.13 | anda-at | hi everyone, i know its late but i have a problem, i want to shutdown my pc by time for example 03:00AM, i've googled a while but i cant find a cmd, hope someone can help me |
| 01:22.29 | SimonRaven | man at |
| 01:22.33 | hyperactivecrond | anda-at man shutdown |
| 01:22.34 | tarzeau | anda-at: screen, then sleep 5h ; poweroff |
| 01:22.38 | dvs | anda-at: One time only? |
| 01:22.38 | zOap | anda-at, shutdown -h time |
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| 01:22.45 | sifi | does anyone know where I can find the textbased linuxpenguin? |
| 01:22.54 | tarzeau | sifi: linuxlogo? |
| 01:22.55 | hyperactivecrond | sifi: hold on i have one |
| 01:23.02 | hammerabi | anda-at: or at |
| 01:23.05 | hammerabi | sifi: linuxlogo |
| 01:23.20 | nesys | folks I haven't debuild command, or devscripts file |
| 01:23.28 | nesys | what I've to install? |
| 01:23.40 | tarzeau | nesys: devscripts |
| 01:23.44 | hyperactivecrond | sifi: http://www.sjbaker.org/tux/ |
| 01:23.45 | nesys | tnx |
| 01:23.53 | sifi | hyperactivecrond, hammerabi, tarzeau yes, I want ~/.bashrc to echo it when I start gnome-terminal |
| 01:24.22 | tarzeau | sifi: cat /etc/issue |
| 01:25.56 | hyperactivecrond | hmm does one need the 2nd cd for etch (sorry 4 the n00b ?) if they only want kde and the base system and stuff like openoffice |
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| 01:26.20 | hammerabi | nesys: and build-essential |
| 01:26.20 | azeem | hum, tough question |
| 01:26.24 | dvs | hyperactivecrond: It probably won't be on the first disk |
| 01:26.27 | sifi | hyperactivecrond, ok, cool |
| 01:26.29 | hammerabi | hyperactivecrond: do you have internet acces? |
| 01:26.37 | azeem | hyperactivecrond: the contents are browsable somewhere on cdimage.debian.org I think |
| 01:26.59 | Scik | Anyone want to help a n00b to Debian? After the install the boot never completes and just freezes... any help would be appreciated! |
| 01:27.19 | sifi | which program can scan an image and generate a text that has the same shape to a file? |
| 01:27.25 | hyperactivecrond | hammerabi: sorry.. shouldn't have asked :) *meaning no offense but i should've looked first* |
| 01:27.30 | hammerabi | Scik: you need to include a lot more detail, e.g. what is the last thing it says? what kernel did you install? what sort of hardware? what have you tried? |
| 01:27.33 | SimonRaven | #mindreaders is -> that way |
| 01:27.59 | tarzeau | gaaaaaa just when i walked right onto the > the team ANT gets my HP down to 0 |
| 01:28.03 | tarzeau | NETHACK SUCKS |
| 01:28.14 | blondie | in a good way or not? :P |
| 01:28.16 | hyperactivecrond | !searchjigdo is http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search |
| 01:28.16 | dpkg | okay, hyperactivecrond |
| 01:28.19 | tarzeau | i've been through gnomish mines and sokoban, and I DIED |
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| 01:28.23 | tarzeau | blondie: badly |
| 01:28.34 | g3brown | Anyone have time to walk me through a Exim4 setup for a system on lan with broadband inet access. I don't want to use it as an email server, just so that msg could be sent to real email address. |
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| 01:29.00 | blondie | g3brown: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 ? |
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| 01:29.19 | g3brown | blondie: heh, yeah that. |
| 01:29.26 | Scik | hammerabi I installed the 3.2 version. Supposedly the latest from Debian.org? .. I installed onto a laptop running a 1.0Ghz Celeron, 10GB HD, 512MB Ram, and its an E-Pro laptop. I have the last 5 lines typed out but I need a pastebin? |
| 01:29.27 | blondie | actually exim4-config |
| 01:29.30 | hyperactivecrond | odd... openoffice (http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=openoffice+_i386) when searched says it's on discs 1 and 3... which one should i use |
| 01:29.31 | blondie | iirc |
| 01:29.36 | hammerabi | g3brown: that is an email server... |
| 01:29.43 | hammerabi | g3brown: what blondie said |
| 01:30.02 | andi_23 | back again, was kicked from my network, thx for helping with shutdown i will try both versions |
| 01:30.09 | g3brown | hammerabi: I did that already. I'm pretty sure I answered one of the questions wrong though. |
| 01:30.16 | blondie | g3brown: then do it again :p |
| 01:30.29 | hammerabi | Scik: there is no Debian 3.2 |
| 01:30.32 | g3brown | hammerabi: what's the simpliest way to test it? |
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| 01:30.50 | dvs | Scik: ....yet.... if ever |
| 01:30.55 | hyperactivecrond | hmm.. no amaroK in etch? |
| 01:30.56 | blondie | g3brown: use the "mail" program to send something |
| 01:30.58 | hammerabi | g3brown: "echo test email | mail -s subject foo@domain.com" |
| 01:31.03 | Scik | hammerabi: lol. Ya I definetly meant 3.1... Sorry. |
| 01:31.04 | nesys | debuild failed :( http://pastebin.com/479775 |
| 01:31.12 | hammerabi | g3brown: run "tail -f /var/log/mail.log" in another terminal |
| 01:31.22 | EdLin | !lol |
| 01:31.23 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 01:31.43 | hammerabi | nesys: what on earth are you building? |
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| 01:31.56 | blondie | EdLin: "lol" is fine. |
| 01:32.02 | hammerabi | I can't imagine anything build-dep'ing on dietlibc-dev AND qmail-uids-gids |
| 01:32.06 | hyperactivecrond | does dpkg have an !tell function like ubotu in ubuntu has? |
| 01:32.12 | nesys | hammerabi qmail with netqmail patch and super-shupp-patch (www.shupp.org) |
| 01:32.21 | hammerabi | hyperactivecrond: ubotu runs the same code dpkg does |
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| 01:32.25 | hammerabi | haha qmail |
| 01:32.28 | Scik | dpkg: Bad habit. |
| 01:32.32 | hammerabi | hyperactivecrond: ie yes |
| 01:32.40 | nesys | hammerabi qmail from http://smarden.org/pape/Debian/qmail.html |
| 01:32.58 | blondie | hyperactivecrond: why don't you use your cron functions to do that? |
| 01:33.06 | look | hey is anyone familiar with psad? my syslogd logs to /var/lib/psad/psadfifo but when i try to scan my computer psad doesn't notice anything |
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| 01:33.40 | look | and yes, my iptables is logging to syslog |
| 01:33.42 | abrotman | !tell hyperactivecrond about blootbot |
| 01:33.57 | hammerabi | nesys: out of interest, why are you trying to use qmail instead of one of the mta's in Debian? |
| 01:33.59 | hyperactivecrond | thx abrot |
| 01:34.01 | nesys | hammerabi from my log "unmet build dependencies .. I've to install those packages before make a debuild? |
| 01:34.12 | nesys | hammerabi I know qmail .. easy |
| 01:34.18 | zOap | I vote for a apt-get tux alongside the moo |
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| 01:34.30 | absolutzero | where can i get SuperProbe? |
| 01:34.32 | hammerabi | nesys: the latter is not in Debian |
| 01:34.40 | hammerabi | absolutzero: to configure X with? |
| 01:34.43 | absolutzero | yup |
| 01:34.50 | hammerabi | absolutzero: don't bother |
| 01:34.55 | absolutzero | ah man |
| 01:35.03 | abrotman | !tell hyperactivecrond about nicktab |
| 01:35.09 | absolutzero | I need to get specs on my video card |
| 01:35.17 | hammerabi | absolutzero: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 01:35.18 | look | anyone? |
| 01:35.29 | hyperactivecrond | abrotman: and everyone in general: please dont treat me like a n00b |
| 01:35.34 | hammerabi | absolutzero: it's unlikely that superprobe will do a better job than discover, or actually work |
| 01:35.36 | absolutzero | cool that might do it see ya in a bit |
| 01:35.37 | zOap | absolutzero, lspci |
| 01:35.38 | hyperactivecrond | i just didnt do it once... |
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| 01:35.45 | absolutzero | discover? |
| 01:35.45 | hammerabi | hyperactivecrond: e.g.? |
| 01:36.24 | Scik | hammerabi: I have the last 5 lines typed - I can post in #flood if that will help? I dont really know what its talking about, or whether its even an error... |
| 01:36.35 | hammerabi | Scik: ok |
| 01:36.53 | blondie | bless |
| 01:37.07 | maynanian | hi, i am using the debian unstable dist. and i have encountred a problem while configuring Xorg with xorgconfig it stats in the output that he cannot initialize my mouse since "no such device" while the point does exist.. can someone please give me a hand.. thanks. . =) |
| 01:37.08 | nesys | hammerabi what? |
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| 01:37.13 | De_Mon | lastlog elephantMan 10 |
| 01:37.14 | absolutzero | dpkg setup x is not a valid command |
| 01:37.14 | dpkg | ...but setup x is already something else... |
| 01:37.34 | hammerabi | nesys: you need to find people who care about qmail, e.g. #qmail |
| 01:37.49 | hammerabi | maynanian: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 01:37.51 | hyperactivecrond | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 01:38.01 | hyperactivecrond | !tell maynanian about setup x |
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| 01:38.04 | abrotman | absolutzero: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 01:38.08 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 01:38.13 | blondie | beep |
| 01:38.16 | absolutzero | ah danke |
| 01:38.17 | abrotman | !meep |
| 01:38.17 | dpkg | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/meepcam.jpg |
| 01:38.23 | robin_sz | anyone know of a IRC channel for Mambo support? |
| 01:38.47 | blondie | abrotman: is that you? |
| 01:38.48 | absolutzero | just say no to the frame buffer lol |
| 01:38.50 | blondie | :) |
| 01:38.53 | maynanian | hyperactivecrond: i'll try at the moment thanks |
| 01:38.55 | abrotman | blondie: no .. it's not me |
| 01:38.59 | hyperactivecrond | heh served |
| 01:39.01 | blondie | aw |
| 01:39.05 | hyperactivecrond | +1 blondie |
| 01:39.14 | robin_sz | and, out of curioisity, why Mambo not part of Sarge? |
| 01:39.15 | blondie | it's cute |
| 01:39.23 | abrotman | robin_sz: check the license ? |
| 01:39.26 | robin_sz | gpl |
| 01:39.32 | robin_sz | NEXT! |
| 01:39.34 | abrotman | robin_sz: check WNPP |
| 01:39.36 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 01:39.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wnpp is Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list, at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, or if you miss a package in debian, use the WNPP to request it. |
| 01:39.56 | Scik | robin_ : I have never found a good IRC channel for that. There are some decent forums that you will find good answers within 24 hours or so depending on your question... A lot more Joomla stuff out there too... |
| 01:40.03 | blondie | robin_sz: check the starboard warp naccell |
| 01:40.04 | hammerabi | robin_sz: same reason any other piece of free softwae isn't in Debian: no one cared enough to put it there |
| 01:40.12 | absolutzero | 1024 Kbytes = 1 meg right? |
| 01:40.15 | blondie | no |
| 01:40.19 | hyperactivecrond | yes absolutzero |
| 01:40.27 | blondie | 1000 kB = 1MB |
| 01:40.35 | hammerabi | bah SI units |
| 01:40.38 | dvs | blondie: PHB |
| 01:40.42 | blondie | sorry? |
| 01:40.46 | robin_sz | hammerabi: seems odd, its probably the most popular CMS out there ... |
| 01:40.48 | dvs | !phb |
| 01:40.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, phb is pointy-haired boss (from dilbert) |
| 01:40.55 | bbrazil | PetaHectaBytes ? |
| 01:40.58 | hammerabi | robin_sz: are you willing to package it? |
| 01:41.02 | abrotman | robin_sz: package it! |
| 01:41.05 | blondie | 1024KiB = 1MiB |
| 01:41.08 | tuv | 1000 kB = 1MB only in the context of networking |
| 01:41.11 | blondie | *kiB |
| 01:41.14 | robin_sz | hammerabi: im still pullingmy hair out trying to instsall it! |
| 01:41.16 | blondie | tuv: no |
| 01:41.18 | hyperactivecrond | kimibytes |
| 01:41.19 | Scik | hammerabi: Does that tell you anything or do you need more lines? |
| 01:41.25 | hammerabi | robin_sz: maybe that's why then ;) |
| 01:41.26 | maynanian | hyperactivecrond: i reconfigured x-org and still =\ it cannot open my mouse device =\ |
| 01:41.31 | blondie | tuv: 1000kB is always 1MB |
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| 01:42.09 | hyperactivecrond | maynanian: cat /dev/input/mice, wait for stuff to come up whilst you move your mouse, then hit control-c then type reset if ur shell prompt is effed up |
| 01:42.16 | robin_sz | sigh .. of for a #mambo |
| 01:42.19 | hammerabi | Scik: if it's a no-name laptop brand. you might need noapic or acpi=off as kernel boot options |
| 01:42.28 | hyperactivecrond | hmm maybe we should tell dpkg about a conversion table? |
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| 01:42.51 | tuv | blondie: k = 1024, M=1024*1024 |
| 01:42.51 | abrotman | !ur |
| 01:42.51 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 01:42.55 | blondie | robin_sz: Lou Bega - Mambo No. 5! |
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| 01:43.09 | Scik | hammerabi: Alright... here is a stupid n00b question... How do I edit the kernal boot options? |
| 01:43.21 | hammerabi | I'm too tired for that, sorry |
| 01:43.27 | hammerabi | hit esc during boot to get into grub, tho |
| 01:43.30 | abrotman | append the bootloader line |
| 01:43.35 | dvs | Scik: Depends on LILO or GRUB? |
| 01:43.37 | tuv | blondie: k=2^10, M=2^20 to be acurate |
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| 01:43.45 | Scik | dvs: drub |
| 01:43.52 | Scik | dvs: *grub |
| 01:43.52 | blondie | tuv: no, k = 10^3, M = 10^6 |
| 01:44.03 | Eno_ | See /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:44.08 | dvs | blondie: You're wrong. |
| 01:44.11 | blondie | tuv: ki = 2^10, Mi = 2^20 |
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| 01:44.15 | blondie | no I'm not |
| 01:44.15 | tuv | blondie: this is in physics, not computer science |
| 01:44.21 | abrotman | wrong wrong wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:44.22 | blondie | eh? |
| 01:44.26 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:44.26 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:44.30 | abrotman | now we can all get along! |
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| 01:44.33 | hyperactivecrond | what the flip? |
| 01:44.33 | maynanian | hyperactivecrond: the output "cat: /dev/input/mice : no such device" |
| 01:44.38 | abrotman | thc: you're alive! |
| 01:44.51 | hyperactivecrond | maynanian: what type of mice |
| 01:44.51 | abrotman | maynanian: modprobe mousedev |
| 01:45.10 | maynanian | hyperactivecrond: ps/2 and it worked with the stable dist. |
| 01:45.16 | hyperactivecrond | abrotman: are you in charge of these things like !moo? |
| 01:45.17 | thc | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 01:45.27 | hyperactivecrond | sweeet |
| 01:45.29 | thc | yes i am alive, i survived the hell of christmas |
| 01:45.32 | abrotman | hyperactivecrond: i'm just in chage :) |
| 01:45.34 | abrotman | charge |
| 01:45.38 | hyperactivecrond | :P abrot |
| 01:45.38 | zOap | abrotman, again, I vote for apt-get tux too. I love the moo, it lightens my day:) |
| 01:45.40 | abrotman | thc: oxymoron ? |
| 01:45.43 | hyperactivecrond | !tux |
| 01:45.43 | dpkg | hmm... tux is a cute cuddly penguin. Worship him. the logo of Linux, or the linux logo because once, while on vacation in the southern hemisphere, Linus Torvalds was bitten on the hand by a penguin! |
| 01:45.47 | dimm0k | omfg, i just ran mke2fs -j /dev/sda3 on my primary disk by accident... the partition's originally a fat32 partition, but fdisk is still reporting it as a fat32... did i just fsck something up or did it do nothing? |
| 01:46.01 | abrotman | maynanian: modprobe mousedev |
| 01:46.05 | aidehua | Two people there were Ubuntu users! Mummy + some barister chap! |
| 01:46.20 | hyperactivecrond | dimm0k: the partition table isn't edited automatically to display the partition type |
| 01:46.20 | abrotman | #ubuntu ? :) |
| 01:46.22 | hyperactivecrond | so it's ok |
| 01:46.24 | blondie | tuv: k/M/G are the same no matter what base unit you apply them too |
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| 01:46.46 | maynanian | abortman: mice: ps\2 mouse device common for all mice |
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| 01:47.06 | abrotman | !d-i hyperactivecrond |
| 01:47.06 | dpkg | hyperactivecrond, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:47.08 | thc | abortmission |
| 01:47.09 | abrotman | maynanian: huh ? |
| 01:47.09 | tuv | blondie: well, it so happens that computer science is all about 2 not 10 as a base |
| 01:47.13 | dimm0k | hyperactivecrond, so that partition's data is still intact and everything? |
| 01:47.20 | blondie | tuv: yes, I have a degree in CS thanks |
| 01:47.21 | abrotman | maynanian: do you have the device /dev/input/mice now ? |
| 01:47.25 | aidehua | For the purposes of my "I've *actually* met some *real* people who use Debian!!1" announcenment, Ubuntu==Debian :) |
| 01:47.29 | maynanian | abrotman: that's the output :\ of modprobe mousedev |
| 01:47.30 | hyperactivecrond | abrotman: downloading now with jigdo |
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| 01:47.37 | blondie | tuv: but that's what kiB and MiB are for |
| 01:47.38 | abrotman | hyperactivecrond: that's pretty stupid |
| 01:47.43 | asmCode | hi, what is the reason, if fdisk -l show nothing? |
| 01:47.45 | hyperactivecrond | dimm0k: nope |
| 01:47.45 | EdLin | !tell aidehua -about ubuntu |
| 01:47.46 | abrotman | maynanian: and the device ? |
| 01:47.48 | maynanian | abrotman: i have that point :| |
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| 01:47.53 | hyperactivecrond | !tell me about ubuntu |
| 01:47.56 | abrotman | maynanian: ? |
| 01:47.56 | blondie | tuv: read the IEC 60027 standard |
| 01:47.57 | thc | asmCode: because you need to specify a device? |
| 01:48.01 | aidehua | !tell me about debian!!! |
| 01:48.03 | abrotman | hyperactivecrond: /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 01:48.08 | dimm0k | hyperactivecrond, so i'm screwed? |
| 01:48.12 | asmCode | thc: after that, there is still silent |
| 01:48.16 | abrotman | wtf .. is this the invasion of the tards ? |
| 01:48.27 | tuv | blondie: but they are not widely adopted.. i've never seen 'em in any of the textbooks i've come across |
| 01:48.27 | nesys | when I try to make a debuild, I see "Could not find a signing program (pgp or gpg)!" .. but I've installed gnupg ... why? |
| 01:48.33 | maynanian | abrotman: dunno, shall i re-compile the kernel ? |
| 01:48.44 | abrotman | maynanian: no .. why the hell would you do that? |
| 01:48.45 | thc | asmCode: try cfdisk, man fdisk ; man cfdisk |
| 01:48.45 | blondie | tuv: they are however now officially correct :P |
| 01:48.45 | hyperactivecrond | abrotman: i no... |
| 01:48.50 | aidehua | EdLin: are you an automatic-lart-people-about-saying-the-U-word-in-Debian bot? :) |
| 01:48.53 | abrotman | maynanian: ls -l /dev/input/mice |
| 01:49.14 | EdLin | aidehua: if you had read the /topic nobody would have to lart you. /j #ubuntu |
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| 01:49.21 | maynanian | abrotman: it has it |
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| 01:49.27 | hyperactivecrond | aidehua: debian isn't ubuntu, ubuntu isn't debian. Ubuntu may be based off of debian but they're independent (they haven't joined the DCC yet, and dont want to) |
| 01:49.37 | asmCode | thc: cfdisk works fine, but i need to read more careful fdisk man |
| 01:49.38 | EdLin | !topicbader aidehua |
| 01:49.41 | EdLin | !topicbadger aidehua |
| 01:49.41 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that aidehua didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 01:49.42 | abrotman | maynanian: ok .. |
| 01:49.53 | hyperactivecrond | thx edlin |
| 01:49.56 | abrotman | maynanian: so use it ? |
| 01:50.03 | EdLin | !thx |
| 01:50.03 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas, named after THX1138, Lucas' first movie. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. |
| 01:50.12 | maynanian | abrotman: exactly, and i got that error, that he can't open that device :| |
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| 01:50.20 | abrotman | maynanian: but now you can |
| 01:50.23 | EdLin | the floggings will continue until moralle improves! |
| 01:50.23 | cleit0n | hi how i make work one fx5200 in debian kernel 2.6.8-2? |
| 01:50.34 | yonkeltron | abrotman: 2nd candle! |
| 01:50.44 | maynanian | abrotman: i do? i'll startx =) a sec. |
| 01:50.50 | abrotman | yonkeltron: it's amazing more jewish people aren't arsonists :) |
| 01:51.02 | yonkeltron | abrotman: or alcoholics! |
| 01:51.03 | abrotman | aidehua: debian != ubuntu |
| 01:51.04 | maynanian | abrotman: yap i can |
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| 01:51.09 | abrotman | maynanian: all good ? |
| 01:51.11 | maynanian | abrotman: you are an awesome !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:51.14 | abrotman | maynanian: wait! |
| 01:51.31 | thc | easy on the punctuation there guy |
| 01:51.33 | abrotman | maynanian: echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules .. that EXACTLY .. you NEED the >> |
| 01:51.33 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You are a useless bitch! |
| 01:51.37 | maynanian | abrotman: yap everything excellent, he ran the kde !!! and my mouse is working ! |
| 01:51.39 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i farted today |
| 01:51.45 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yay! |
| 01:51.50 | abrotman | i'm not useless! |
| 01:51.50 | guru | after i ran apt-get upgrade and installed the newest version of the nvidia drivers my fonts in x are way too small...i tried changing them with xfontsel but that didn't change anything...is there something else i need to do? |
| 01:51.54 | thc | abrotman: s/farted/queefed/g |
| 01:51.54 | dvs | !beer abrotman |
| 01:52.21 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Heh. Fair enough. |
| 01:52.44 | EdLin | abrotman: yes you are, take a look at your *Productivity |
| 01:52.46 | hyperactivecrond | !fart |
| 01:52.59 | abrotman | EdLin: i have none |
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| 01:53.07 | thc | that is the stupidest factoid, ever. |
| 01:53.19 | blondie | thc: shocking eh, what |
| 01:53.25 | maynanian | abrotman: thanks alot !! you were really helpful! |
| 01:53.28 | ke6isf | You know we've gone off the deep end when we engage in fart jokes. |
| 01:53.35 | abrotman | maynanian: just remember to vote for me! |
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| 01:53.50 | abrotman | ke6isf: it happens twice a year |
| 01:53.52 | cleit0n | hi how i make work one nvidia card fx5200 in debian kernel 2.6.8-2? |
| 01:54.00 | abrotman | !tell cleit0n about nvidia one-liner |
| 01:54.21 | Kovecses | !marillat |
| 01:54.21 | blondie | did you know the world will end in 2005? |
| 01:54.21 | dpkg | marillat is, like, an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 01:54.25 | Jinkguns | How do I tell grub not to look for an initrd? |
| 01:54.41 | SimonRaven | thc: nah, it's funny in an immature sorta way |
| 01:54.43 | abrotman | remove the initrd line ? |
| 01:54.50 | Jinkguns | brillant |
| 01:54.51 | Jinkguns | thanks |
| 01:54.53 | abrotman | SimonRaven: it's the canadian in all of us |
| 01:55.11 | SimonRaven | GFY :) |
| 01:55.18 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:55.26 | thc | meh. i am sure there are more factoids, just as stupid that i haven't seen yet |
| 01:55.34 | maynanian | abortman: i will vote for you, D: |
| 01:55.36 | SimonRaven | thc: there are |
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| 01:55.46 | ke6isf | !stupidest factoid ever |
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| 01:55.57 | ke6isf | Guess dpkg has nothing to say on the matter. |
| 01:55.58 | SimonRaven | !your factoids |
| 01:55.58 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg/ |
| 01:56.06 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 01:56.06 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a mepis user |
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| 01:56.12 | SimonRaven | take a gander ^^ |
| 01:56.13 | sinizzl | hi |
| 01:56.27 | sinizzl | what is the package for xorg called ? |
| 01:56.39 | ke6isf | We can use vewer mepis lusers. =^^= |
| 01:56.40 | Kovecses | xserver-xorg |
| 01:56.41 | gravity | sinizzl: x-window-system |
| 01:56.47 | dvs | sinizzl: for etch and sid only |
| 01:57.06 | blondie | I demand xorg in sarge immediately |
| 01:57.06 | SimonRaven | did it suddenly turn into sunday? |
| 01:57.08 | dvs | sinizzl: and sarge backports (not officially part of Debian) |
| 01:57.12 | sinizzl | dvs: there's now X window syste available in sarge ? |
| 01:57.13 | blondie | no it's Tuesday |
| 01:57.19 | abrotman | SimonRaven: xmas vacation |
| 01:57.24 | abrotman | !tell blondie about xorg sarge |
| 01:57.29 | dvs | sinizzl: sarge officially has XFree86.org |
| 01:57.32 | blondie | but I was being silly :( |
| 01:57.35 | sinizzl | mkay |
| 01:57.39 | blondie | I don't use X at all :\ |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | gravity: don't your parents give you a bed ? |
| 01:57.47 | gravity | abrotman: No :-( |
| 01:57.47 | sinizzl | what is the advantage of XFree86? |
| 01:57.50 | Kovecses | sid is a good desktop os |
| 01:58.12 | abrotman | gravity: those bastards .. they will pay .. i'm not sure how much .. but it'll be a lot .. oh .. maybe i should get season tix to the sox!?!? |
| 01:58.12 | dvs | sinizzl: None, it's been abandoned by most |
| 01:58.12 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Let him crash at your place! |
| 01:58.15 | gravity | hehe |
| 01:58.16 | blondie | Kovecses: if you like unstable software |
| 01:58.18 | EdLin | sinizzl: xorg was too new when Sarge was released |
| 01:58.23 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: at least he'd get to go to warm daddy's! :) |
| 01:58.28 | Kovecses | blondie: seems pretty stable to me |
| 01:58.31 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: BITCH!!!!!!! |
| 01:58.33 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:58.38 | blondie | Kovecses: I thought it was called "unstable" ;) |
| 01:58.40 | abrotman | gravity: do you like blues ? |
| 01:58.42 | Jinkguns | what would a custom kernel .deb be named? |
| 01:58.46 | Jinkguns | For removal purposes |
| 01:58.50 | Jinkguns | give me an example |
| 01:58.52 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, but not enough to really know much about it |
| 01:58.53 | blondie | eh |
| 01:58.56 | k-man | man i love this lvm stuff |
| 01:59.03 | abrotman | gravity: www.warmdaddys.com |
| 01:59.04 | dvs | Jinkguns: kernel-image-(version) |
| 01:59.10 | Kovecses | blondie: it is... but it works better than etch does |
| 01:59.18 | abrotman | gravity: of course . it's in philly .. and oyu're not .. but that's your problem :) |
| 01:59.24 | gravity | hehe |
| 01:59.39 | SimonRaven | linux-image-$version if newer k-p |
| 01:59.43 | abrotman | gravity: and if you ever go .. don't tell scarynetworkguy .. he'll threaten your life |
| 01:59.50 | sinizzl | are there any different pre compiled kernels available via apt-get ? |
| 02:00.01 | gravity | Ha! |
| 02:00.01 | EdLin | sinizzl: yes |
| 02:00.02 | bluefox83 | can i give a link to boost everyone's holiday spirit a little? |
| 02:00.05 | EdLin | sinizzl: plenty |
| 02:00.06 | Kovecses | sinizzl: there is a few |
| 02:00.09 | sinizzl | EdLin: what are they called |
| 02:00.15 | sinizzl | +? |
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| 02:00.26 | blondie | sinizzl: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:00.30 | bluefox83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.34 | Kovecses | sinizzl: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 02:00.38 | sinizzl | mkay, that's what i wanted to know thx |
| 02:00.44 | SimonRaven | !kill swf |
| 02:01.24 | bluefox83 | did i kill everyone O.O |
| 02:01.45 | EdLin | sinizzl: it's kernel-image* in Sarge, and linux-image* in testing/unstable |
| 02:01.51 | g3brown | hammerabi: could you look at http://marstechnologies.com/exim and see if you see any setting wrong? |
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| 02:02.49 | blondie | bluefox83: yes, now apologise |
| 02:03.04 | cleit0n | hi, fx5200 work in kernel 2.6.8? help me please |
| 02:03.10 | bluefox83 | blondie, happy holidays! |
| 02:03.14 | Jinkguns | GRRRRRR... my custom kernel hangs at Uncompressing Linux,... OK, booting the kernel. |
| 02:03.16 | Jinkguns | some of a . |
| 02:03.28 | blondie | Jinkguns: son not some |
| 02:03.35 | Jinkguns | :/ |
| 02:03.54 | sinizzl | Jinkguns: maybe you haven't configured it properly? |
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| 02:04.08 | Jinkguns | Well of course I haven't configured it properly. |
| 02:04.11 | dvs | Jinkguns: I almost guarentee that either the IDE interface or the file system is not compiled into the kernel |
| 02:04.11 | Jinkguns | :/ |
| 02:04.22 | aidehua | The phrase "Happy Holidays" is offensive to me as I am not on holiday. I prefer "Merry Christmas" :) |
| 02:04.29 | k-man | what should i do if i want to move my /var/log to a different partition? is there a special procedure for that? |
| 02:04.39 | sinizzl | as a gentoo user i'm not used to misconfigured kernels |
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| 02:04.47 | Jinkguns | the .config says reiserfs support is compiled in, but when it got to the reiserfs folder it did nothing. :/ |
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| 02:05.11 | dvs | Jinkguns: And the IDE controller...? |
| 02:05.13 | sinizzl | Jinkguns: maybe you haven't got support for your mobo's ide chipset built-in |
| 02:05.16 | Kovecses | blondie: are you on sarge |
| 02:05.31 | Jinkguns | Well, it says root is reiserfs. |
| 02:05.39 | thc | !ricerfs |
| 02:05.39 | dpkg | somebody said ricerfs was the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 02:05.44 | dvs | Jinkguns: The physical connection? |
| 02:05.46 | Jinkguns | So, wouldn't the ide controller at least be working to tell it that? |
| 02:06.04 | sinizzl | i apt-get installed xserver-xfree86 and when i type in "startx" it does "command not found" ? |
| 02:06.05 | dvs | Jinkguns: If it can't communicate with the drive, it won't boot |
| 02:06.05 | blondie | Kovecses: among other things |
| 02:06.23 | mordain | !xfs |
| 02:06.24 | dpkg | it has been said that xfs is the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. check out http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/ if you want to install woody with XFS support, or more ISOs are at ... |
| 02:06.36 | thc | sinizzl: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 02:07.01 | littleball | hello, when i install linux, it cannot find drives for linux seagate scsi harddisk. WHo can help me or give me suggestion? it is ST380817A model. 80GB |
| 02:07.07 | Kovecses | blondie: like? |
| 02:07.15 | blondie | Kovecses: Windows XP :) |
| 02:07.18 | dvs | littleball: The SCSI controller matters more |
| 02:07.21 | Kovecses | blondie: i see |
| 02:07.21 | blondie | and testing |
| 02:07.26 | blondie | and erm ipcop |
| 02:07.30 | blondie | and freebsd, and solari |
| 02:07.31 | blondie | s |
| 02:07.32 | sinizzl | geez |
| 02:07.33 | Kovecses | blondie: kde gnome? |
| 02:07.37 | littleball | dvs, sorry? |
| 02:07.41 | blondie | I use xfce |
| 02:07.46 | Kovecses | blondie: cool |
| 02:07.46 | littleball | SCSI controller? |
| 02:07.51 | dvs | littleball: yes |
| 02:07.54 | blondie | though I rarely use X |
| 02:07.59 | dvs | littleball: what the drive is attached ot |
| 02:08.03 | littleball | dvs, how to check the scsi controller? |
| 02:08.04 | dvs | s/ot/to |
| 02:08.16 | g3brown | blondie: could you take a look at my exim setup ? http://www.marstechnologies.com/exim/ |
| 02:08.17 | dvs | littleball: lspci might help |
| 02:08.43 | littleball | dvs, i canot install linux. so no way to lspci |
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| 02:09.09 | dvs | littleball: You don't know that it is? |
| 02:09.43 | littleball | my friend just purchase from DIY shop. do you mean i need to ask the model of scsi controller? |
| 02:09.55 | dvs | littleball: yes |
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| 02:10.26 | littleball | let me check |
| 02:10.52 | Jinkguns | Is XFS really more stable the reiserfs? |
| 02:11.32 | Kovecses | ext2 is the most stable |
| 02:12.49 | blondie | g3brown: thinks that's ok |
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| 02:13.24 | aidehua | Hmmm. dpkg mentions reiserfs instability, but doesn't elaborate, which is a shame. |
| 02:13.28 | g3brown | blondie: I did that mail thing and I get a long pause and nothing shows up in the mail.log |
| 02:13.38 | blondie | er |
| 02:13.42 | blondie | type mailq as root |
| 02:13.46 | blondie | see if it's stuck in there |
| 02:14.07 | Jinkguns | You know it's funny I never get a direct answer. :/ |
| 02:14.14 | Jinkguns | Is XFS more stable then ReiserFS? |
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| 02:14.20 | tuv | honestly & sadly, i had more fs errors with ext3 than with ntfs.. e2fsck tends to do its best to report errors |
| 02:14.21 | blondie | Jinkguns: maybe |
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| 02:14.24 | thc | Jinkguns: ever heard of Google ? |
| 02:14.24 | aFlag | what program should i use to make a video dvd that is able to run on dvd players? I want to be able to add a menu also |
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| 02:14.36 | sinizzl | hello folks |
| 02:14.46 | Jinkguns | I didn't know google has crawled real life experinces, thc. |
| 02:14.57 | sinizzl | i have a question. i just installed debian and set up the x server and now i want to know where the *.exe files are |
| 02:15.10 | Kovecses | anyone here use dvd::rip? |
| 02:15.13 | dvs | sinizzl: /usr/bin |
| 02:15.13 | blondie | Jinkguns: I'd just use ext3 :p |
| 02:15.14 | ke6isf | sinizzl: What .exe files? |
| 02:15.17 | thc | Jinkguns: oh ok, so you base your filesystem choice solely on advice from complete strangers in an irc channel. |
| 02:15.27 | Kovecses | sinizzl: exe files? |
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| 02:15.29 | blondie | sinizzl: .exe files are a dos/windows things :P |
| 02:15.32 | sinizzl | windows media player exe file for example |
| 02:15.33 | littleball | dvs, scsi controller is raid controller, right? |
| 02:15.38 | tuv | Kovecses: i did |
| 02:15.42 | dvs | littleball: No. |
| 02:15.45 | sinizzl | haha, just kidding, i just wanted to waste your precious time :) |
| 02:15.46 | blondie | sinizzl: stop trolling then |
| 02:15.48 | hammerabi | g3brown: no local mail is a silly option |
| 02:16.04 | Jinkguns | No, usually I work from a combination of documentation and the advice from complete strangers from an irc channel, perhaps I should ask my cat instead. |
| 02:16.05 | Kovecses | sinizzl: i thought you were serious for a minute |
| 02:16.05 | sinizzl | blondie: but i love trolling, so i wanna troll.... |
| 02:16.11 | g3brown | hammerabi: what should I have used? |
| 02:16.20 | dvs | !troll sinizzl |
| 02:16.26 | Kovecses | tuv: when you ripped it how do you burn the vob file? |
| 02:16.27 | hammerabi | g3brown: internet with smarthost |
| 02:16.28 | sinizzl | yes! |
| 02:16.30 | ke6isf | !lart sinizzl |
| 02:16.37 | hammerabi | g3brown: the others look ok, time to look at your logs |
| 02:16.44 | sinizzl | i'm now officially declared a troll. what a great day in my life |
| 02:16.51 | aidehua | Jinkguns: I'm currently reading this http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html if it helps, found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReiserFS#Disadvantages |
| 02:16.59 | g3brown | hammerabi: I did what you said and I got nothing. |
| 02:17.07 | g3brown | hammerabi: except a long pause |
| 02:17.10 | hammerabi | where nothing = ? |
| 02:17.17 | tuv | Kovecses: burn the vob files? why would i burn them? |
| 02:17.24 | g3brown | hammerabi: log is empty zero byte |
| 02:17.38 | hammerabi | g3brown: look in /var/log then |
| 02:17.43 | cleit0n | how i list agp cards here? |
| 02:17.44 | hammerabi | ,aybe exim4 puts it somewhere sytupid |
| 02:17.44 | blondie | g3brown: did you look in mailq? |
| 02:17.48 | hammerabi | cleit0n: lspci |
| 02:17.50 | g3brown | hammerabi: let me reconfigure it as internet |
| 02:17.55 | Tonio | hey im runnin debian from coLinux inside windows xp using ICS, is there anyway to forward every port from my windows box to debian? i havent seen anything about DMZ in windows ICS |
| 02:17.59 | Kovecses | tuv: well how do i backup my dvds |
| 02:18.01 | g3brown | blondie: I didn't know I had a mailq. |
| 02:18.12 | blondie | Tonio: no, ICS is shit |
| 02:18.14 | cleit0n | hammerabi: agp too? |
| 02:18.17 | blondie | g3brown: I told you :P |
| 02:18.18 | Tonio | lol |
| 02:18.20 | hammerabi | cleit0n: yes... |
| 02:18.27 | blondie | "mailq" (as root) will list messages waiting to be delivered |
| 02:18.53 | tuv | Kovecses: you can burn the resulted files from dvd::rip on CDs, which will include the vob files. you can put all files in the same direcotry on the cd |
| 02:18.59 | Pegger | Kovecses, use dd |
| 02:19.17 | Kovecses | Pegger: dd? |
| 02:19.26 | cleit0n | hammerabi: this is my card video? VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems XGI Volari XP5 |
| 02:19.31 | hammerabi | hah |
| 02:20.00 | ke6isf | !dd |
| 02:20.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, dd is man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 02:20.04 | tuv | Kovecses: r u referring to vob files from the dvd or vob for vobsub subtitle files? |
| 02:20.10 | blondie | !u |
| 02:20.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:20.27 | Pegger | Kovecses, yes dd if=/dev/dvd of=/home/user/dvdback/dvdbackup.iso |
| 02:20.33 | tuv | Kovecses: and do you want to backup the dvd as is or the transcoded cds? |
| 02:20.54 | Kovecses | dvd onto a blank dvd |
| 02:21.08 | biznatch | can someone recommend me a fast mirror ? |
| 02:21.14 | blondie | dd won't work with CSS protected DVDs |
| 02:21.30 | tuv | Kovecses: you don't need dvd::rip then.. do what Pegger suggested |
| 02:21.40 | hammerabi | biznatch: that obviously depends greatly on where you are... |
| 02:21.49 | blondie | biznatch: yes, I have one in the next room |
| 02:21.52 | hammerabi | the 'human traffic' soundtrack is quite tops |
| 02:21.56 | biznatch | hammerabi: in the heart of europe and the next server to me is limited at 55 kB/s |
| 02:22.00 | Pegger | blondie, yes dd will work did works at the block level, it will copy everything including the copy protection!!! |
| 02:22.13 | hammerabi | biznatch: use apt-spy to find one then |
| 02:22.17 | hammerabi | or use your isp's |
| 02:22.29 | biznatch | my isp doesn't have one |
| 02:22.35 | tuv | Kovecses: you can also look at dvdbackup package |
| 02:22.49 | hammerabi | dd doesn't need to work with CSS |
| 02:23.04 | Pegger | hammerabi, exactly |
| 02:23.05 | biznatch | crack is bad, mkay |
| 02:24.06 | tuv | i guess one can "cat /dev/dvd > dvd.iso" as well |
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| 02:25.01 | blondie | Pegger: no it doesn't work |
| 02:25.28 | blondie | Pegger: as soon as it gets to CSS protected parts it'll give an I/O error |
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| 02:28.47 | sfullenwider | is there a way to recover after a failed mv? |
| 02:29.04 | repp | no |
| 02:29.10 | blondie | depends |
| 02:29.21 | blondie | are the files still in their original locations? |
| 02:29.42 | Pegger | blondie, that does not make any sense, just because it is encripted does not mean it can not be coppied |
| 02:29.51 | blondie | Pegger: yes it does |
| 02:30.04 | blondie | the encryption is does lower than the filesystem level |
| 02:30.05 | phogg | a while ago I installed bind (bind9) and got it working, but as I look at it now I find that I can't connect with rndc. BIND still resolves properly. Where do I start checking for problems? |
| 02:30.10 | blondie | s/does/done |
| 02:30.20 | sfullenwider | I think they are. |
| 02:30.34 | blondie | sfullenwider: well try again? |
| 02:30.37 | Pegger | blondie, you cant do encription below the file system level |
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| 02:30.52 | blondie | Pegger: whatever it does, it does it below the FS level |
| 02:30.55 | sfullenwider | I mv'ed between two file systems and the recieving filesystem became full. Did it harm the files in the sending filesystem? |
| 02:30.56 | repp | sfullenwider: you mean, you did "mv a b" and you weant to recover b? |
| 02:30.59 | blondie | Pegger: try it and you'll see |
| 02:31.03 | sfullenwider | recover a |
| 02:31.10 | g3brown | hammerabi: I reconfigured exim using the top option (internet) I run mail while using tail on /var/log/mail.log. Just get pause. |
| 02:31.16 | Pegger | blondie, I will once i get a dvd burner |
| 02:31.24 | blondie | you don't need a burner |
| 02:31.26 | blondie | just a reader |
| 02:31.32 | repp | sfullenwider: oh, no problem then. Your files are fine. mv won't delete files until they've been copied properly. Check and see, your file is still there. |
| 02:32.00 | hammerabi | g3brown: as above, find the actual log file |
| 02:32.08 | sfullenwider | Oh, good, I was under the impression that it was literally a copy and delete by chunk or something |
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| 02:32.23 | blondie | Pegger: you can't copy the .VOB files off either (using cp) |
| 02:32.23 | biznatch | how can i get the kernel sources for my kernel image ? |
| 02:32.34 | blondie | you need a DVD ripping program that gets round CSS |
| 02:33.14 | _dale | I think I have the wrong sound driver... the docs I found talk about snd-sb16 forthe old creative labs SB16 5880 card. I can't find it. I also tried modprobe snd-card-sb16 <--- not found |
| 02:33.16 | _dale | correct driver seems to be sb.o |
| 02:33.19 | repp | biznatch: do you want all sources or just the .config? |
| 02:34.26 | Kovecses | blondie: i can rip css dvds with dvd::rip ... i just dont know where to go from there |
| 02:34.42 | blondie | Kovecses: no idea ;) |
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| 02:36.34 | g3brown | hammerabi: okay found log. Getting "R=dnslookup defer (-1): host lookup did not complete" |
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| 02:37.31 | Kovecses | ok i fugured it out...for people that want to know |
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| 02:38.42 | Sir_Grok | I have an interesting problem: My mounted, SATA drive has all of a sudden become read-only |
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| 02:38.53 | repp | Sir_Grok: does "mount" tell you so? |
| 02:39.07 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 02:39.10 | juice` | does anyone know why i have a lot of such messages ':/root/source/apache2-2.0.55/build-tree/apache2/support/ab.c:521: undefined reference to `BIO_printf' ' when i try to dpkg-buildpackage my apache2 ? 2.0.55, and i did apt-get build-dep apache2-mpm-worker |
| 02:39.16 | uber_spaced | what package should I apt-get to get the source files to the kernel so I can compile it? |
| 02:39.16 | Sir_Grok | repp, Nope, well not thjat I know of. |
| 02:39.19 | tengulre | I have a soft voice modem, like lspci | grep 'HSF' |
| 02:39.19 | tengulre | 0000:02:0d.0 Communication controller: Conexant HSF 56k Modem (rev 01) |
| 02:39.24 | juice` | it is showing BIO_printf and other |
| 02:39.26 | uber_spaced | the 'source' or the 'tree' |
| 02:39.26 | repp | Sir_Grok: when you run "mount |
| 02:39.28 | Sir_Grok | "sudo moun -a" doesn't give me any extra output |
| 02:39.35 | juice` | like BIO_dump or ASN1_UTCTIME_print |
| 02:39.39 | repp | Sir_Grok: just "mount" |
| 02:39.42 | ke6isf | !tell tengulre -about enter |
| 02:39.47 | juice` | or X509_get_pubkey or EVP_PKEY_bits |
| 02:39.49 | tengulre | but, I can not found serial port in /dev/directory |
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| 02:40.04 | repp | Sir_Grok: it will say "(rw)" or "(ro)" for each mount point. |
| 02:40.20 | tengulre | How to view my Modem port in /dev/ ? |
| 02:40.48 | repp | tengulre: usually it is /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1 |
| 02:40.53 | Sir_Grok | repp, nope, It says rw |
| 02:40.54 | ke6isf | tengulre: Usually a modem is attached to /dev/ttySn. Is this an internal modem? |
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| 02:41.24 | repp | Sir_Grok: then your problem is beyond my ability to help, sorry. |
| 02:41.37 | Sir_Grok | repp, Thanks for tha attempt though. |
| 02:41.41 | tengulre | repp, ke6isf: I m point my soft modem :'0000:02:0d.0 Communication controller: Conexant HSF 56k Modem (rev 01)'? |
| 02:41.54 | repp | oh, a soft modem. |
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| 02:42.03 | ke6isf | repp: What's a soft modem? =O.o= |
| 02:42.07 | sonyman | does anyone here use cedega? |
| 02:42.15 | repp | tengulre: didn't you just say it is a soft modem? |
| 02:42.15 | ke6isf | !tell sonyman -about anyone |
| 02:42.19 | drivamgr2006 | !anyone |
| 02:42.19 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 02:42.29 | Sir_Grok | repp, I have tried to run "sudo chown -R jeff /media/Music" and it doesn't even let me do that. |
| 02:42.47 | tengulre | repp: yeah! |
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| 02:43.17 | ludi | what is the name of the package that gives macromedia flash player plugin? |
| 02:43.24 | repp | Sir_Grok: ok, it is possible that "mount" is confused an reporting incorrect data. You can instead do "cat /proc/mounts" which will give you the kernel's idea of what's going on directly. |
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| 02:44.17 | ke6isf | Sir_Grok: What error are you getting when you try to copy data on to that partition? |
| 02:44.24 | sonyman | I was wondering if anyone could help with this error when running autodetect in cedega on debian etch. "/usr/bin/which: line 41: printf: write error: Broken pipe" Cedega has worked fine for me in the past on debian etch, as well as other distros so I'm wondering if its a problem with the way my system is set up |
| 02:44.38 | tengulre | anybody can help me, how to get the modem port? |
| 02:44.41 | juice` | does anyone know why i have a lot of such messages ':/root/source/apache2-2.0.55/build-tree/apache2/support/ab.c:521: undefined reference to `BIO_printf' ' when i try to dpkg-buildpackage my apache2 ? 2.0.55, and i did apt-get build-dep apache2-mpm-worker. its also showing the same undefined reference to BIO_dump, ASN1_UTCTIME_print, X509_get_pubkey, EVP_PKEY_bits and so on. i have libssl-dev 0.9.8a-3, and my dpkg/apt-get is not broken |
| 02:44.42 | repp | sonyman: did this start happening when you did an upgrade? |
| 02:44.42 | sonyman | I had to reinstall debian and since then, its a no-go |
| 02:44.44 | Sir_Grok | repp, I wouldn't have even known where to begin after this. Thanks, i will try to figure this buisness out. |
| 02:44.48 | sonyman | repp see above |
| 02:45.09 | sonyman | I'm never using partition magic again |
| 02:45.40 | juice` | oh, and its 'testing' |
| 02:45.50 | repp | sonyman: try reinstalling the program. which I think is apt-get --reinstall install <package> |
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| 02:46.05 | sonyman | repp, I've tried with no results |
| 02:46.14 | ke6isf | Sir_Grok: What error are you getting when you try to copy data on to that partition? |
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| 02:46.35 | repp | sonyman: after a clean re-install the program doesn't work? |
| 02:46.40 | ludi | Where can I get flashplugin-nonfree package? |
| 02:46.41 | sonyman | yup |
| 02:46.47 | Sir_Grok | ke6isf, cp:" cannot create regular file "file" : Read-only file system |
| 02:47.11 | d301471 | hi. what is the shortcut, to put xmms (or other)to background? |
| 02:47.11 | sonyman | ludi, debian.org |
| 02:47.15 | ke6isf | Sir_Grok: You've tried to remount the fs, right? |
| 02:47.23 | Sir_Grok | repp, cat shows that the file system is ro |
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| 02:47.34 | absolutzero | greets |
| 02:47.38 | Sir_Grok | ke6isf, *aheeem* no... I didn't think about that one.... |
| 02:47.38 | ludi | sonyman: why don't I see this package in Synaptic? |
| 02:47.43 | absolutzero | okay I ran discover --enable-all --format="%m on %d - %V %M\n" but it didn't give any output |
| 02:47.53 | ke6isf | Sir_Grok: Give it a shot, see what it does. |
| 02:47.56 | sonyman | ludi, because its non-free...I think (newbie here) |
| 02:48.04 | juice` | does anyone read my question and nobody knows the answers, or everybody missed it? sorry for asking but i dont want to spam the channel with reapeating myself |
| 02:48.16 | repp | Sir_Grok: good news. The kernel knows what's happening. Likely there is an error message in your /var/log/syslog (unless your ro filesystem is /) |
| 02:48.21 | absolutzero | trying to discover my video card |
| 02:48.25 | ludi | sonyman: But I have non-free in my sources.list |
| 02:48.38 | sonyman | ludi, which distro? etch? |
| 02:48.46 | ludi | sonyman: yes, etch. |
| 02:48.56 | Sir_Grok | ke6isf, Yeah. About that blatently obvious solution that I would ahve stumbled across by just rebooting my machine (so not the Linux spirit)..... |
| 02:49.02 | sonyman | ludi, there are only packages for stable and unstable for flash |
| 02:49.05 | Sir_Grok | ke6isf, Thank you for the solution..... |
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| 02:49.08 | sonyman | ludi, download the one from unstable |
| 02:49.11 | repp | juice`: i read your q and can't help |
| 02:49.15 | Sir_Grok | repp, Thanks for the help as well. |
| 02:49.21 | ludi | sonyman: Okay, and then just do dpkg -i |
| 02:49.23 | ke6isf | Sir_Grok: Gladly. Don't feel so bad - I just restarted my workstatoin to restart the sound server. =O.o= |
| 02:49.25 | sonyman | ludi, yes |
| 02:49.31 | Sir_Grok | Now for the million dollar question, why the deuce would it randomly do that? |
| 02:49.45 | juice` | repp: thanks for the answer |
| 02:49.54 | sonyman | ludi, it may complain about dependencies, so you might need to run "apt-get -f install" after installing flash |
| 02:50.25 | ke6isf | Sir_Grok: No idea. Never had it happen on my disks, but I'm not running SATA - and I think I've heard of it in SATA disks. Have you checked syslog for possible explanations? |
| 02:50.27 | juice` | repp: on the google i see they say to add -lcrypto, but that seems impossible that debian packagers forgot to add it in rules file, right? |
| 02:50.38 | juice` | i mean its not there,but i guess its not there on purpose |
| 02:50.53 | ludi | sonyman: yea it requires ruby whatever that is |
| 02:51.08 | Sir_Grok | ke6isf, I haven't gone through it yet. I am on that. |
| 02:51.10 | sonyman | ludi, just run apt-get -f install and it will prompt you to configure flash afterwards |
| 02:51.13 | ke6isf | Sir_Grok: Good luck. |
| 02:51.34 | tengulre | HI,all ! I ask a same problem, how to know which serial port of my PCI modem? |
| 02:51.47 | Sir_Grok | ke6isf, There i a humorous entry.... "Dec 26 19:55:57 localhost kernel: [6127373.112000] invalid access to FAT (entry 0x14141414) |
| 02:51.49 | ke6isf | !repeat |
| 02:51.49 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:51.50 | Sir_Grok | Dec 26 19:55:57 localhost kernel: [6127373.112000] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1)" |
| 02:52.08 | Sir_Grok | "File system panic"\ |
| 02:52.15 | sonyman | repp, any more ideas re: cedega? |
| 02:52.22 | ke6isf | Sir_Grok: Is that the one that you just had the ro problem with? |
| 02:52.27 | tengulre | hi,all ! how to setting proftpd? |
| 02:52.38 | Sir_Grok | ke6isf, Yup |
| 02:52.46 | ke6isf | Sir_Grok: Is it a FAT32 FS? |
| 02:52.57 | Sir_Grok | ke6isf, It sure is. |
| 02:53.07 | repp | sonyman: this is debian? not something else like knoppix? |
| 02:53.12 | ke6isf | Sir_Grok: Does Windows need to read it without the help of something like Samba? |
| 02:53.25 | sonyman | repp, comeon now, im in #debian...I wouldn't use anything else :-) |
| 02:53.38 | Sir_Grok | ke6isf, I don't know... I don't use windows witht aht drive. |
| 02:53.41 | repp | sonyman: had to check |
| 02:54.07 | blondie | that means "no" |
| 02:54.20 | ke6isf | Sir_Grok: I'm thinking it might be related to the file system then. FAT32 and such can be a little unpredictable in Linux, from what I've heard. |
| 02:54.43 | ke6isf | Sir_Grok: That said, if you're never going to use that on a Windows box, then you might just empty it out and mkfs with something like ext3. |
| 02:55.03 | repp | sonyman: you could try downgrading cedega |
| 02:55.49 | Sir_Grok | ke6isf, I am going off to college in a semester (thank god), I am sure that there will be great interest in the contents of my drives... How easily are those read by windows machines over samba? |
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| 02:55.51 | sonyman | repp, the problem is, this is cedega 5.0.1, and the only older version is Point2Play with Cedega...its completely different. Whats puzzling to me is that it was working fine before I reinstalled. |
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| 02:56.24 | ke6isf | Sir_Grok: Not sure, but if it's just media, then good ol' FTP will work fine. =^^= |
| 02:56.43 | sonyman | repp, autodetect tries to run certain items in a script. I can run those commands manually fine. |
| 02:57.18 | Sir_Grok | ke6isf, I am slipping in my old age... I haven't had to do anything devious in so long, my brain just isn't working the way it used to. |
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| 02:57.26 | ke6isf | Sir_Grok: Heh =^^= |
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| 02:57.40 | sonyman | Sir_Grok, college...old age...does not compute |
| 02:57.41 | sonyman | :P |
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| 02:58.48 | Sir_Grok | sonyman, I used to be a master pirate of the seas... with booty from every contenient... I have settled down. my urges have matured. i am happy with what I have (basically everything)... but I am sure htat everyone there will not be the same way. |
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| 02:59.02 | Sir_Grok | And I am self-less (heh...), so I think about the children. |
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| 02:59.24 | sonyman | heh |
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| 03:00.02 | sonyman | Debian is the distro for the greedy...if apt cannot satisfy you're thirst for programs, then somethings awry |
| 03:00.06 | ludi | www.gap.com doesn't work with firefox or epiphany |
| 03:00.14 | abrotman | works in opera |
| 03:00.16 | sonyman | your* ....argh |
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| 03:00.25 | ludi | abrotman: are you using linux |
| 03:00.28 | Sir_Grok | Now I am faced with an entirely different problem... my internet is going unbearably slow... but only over port 80. It is crazy. |
| 03:00.31 | sonyman | ludi, its a sign from above |
| 03:00.33 | ke6isf | Gap is crap! Gap is crap! Gap is... woah, nice chinos! |
| 03:00.36 | blondie | opera? pfft |
| 03:00.46 | abrotman | sonyman: err .. it used ot |
| 03:00.52 | abrotman | fuck gap and oldnavy |
| 03:00.54 | ludi | my wife wants to shop with a gift card at gap.com |
| 03:01.04 | sonyman | no, oldnavy is good cheap clothing |
| 03:01.06 | ludi | but it's not working |
| 03:01.07 | blondie | ludi: works for me in firefox, but Gap is an evil company :P |
| 03:01.15 | abrotman | blondie: they're the same company |
| 03:01.16 | sonyman | ludi, use links2 hehe |
| 03:01.18 | Sir_Grok | Anyone know why it could be like that.... It takes me around 3 minutes to load a page and then once I get there, I can download a torrent and be blazing at 550kb/s with a 55kb/s upload. |
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| 03:01.29 | blondie | abrotman: never heard of oldnavy |
| 03:01.34 | ludi | We're sorry, but we do not support the version of the browser you are using. |
| 03:01.36 | absolutzero | sorry I was still su |
| 03:01.38 | sonyman | blondie, where do you live? |
| 03:01.43 | blondie | uk |
| 03:01.49 | absolutzero | how do I fond my video cards BUS Identifier? |
| 03:01.52 | FourierSeries | Viral marketing? Nah, check url ... |
| 03:01.55 | sonyman | its an american co., only established in '94 |
| 03:01.55 | Sir_Grok | sonyman, under a starcase |
| 03:01.57 | sonyman | pretty new |
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| 03:02.15 | sonyman | Sir_Grok, I was looking for his relative location, not absolute :-) |
| 03:02.16 | blondie | well there's plenty of nasty Gap stores here |
| 03:02.16 | abrotman | blondie: what country do you live in ? |
| 03:02.21 | blondie | uk! |
| 03:02.33 | absolutzero | how do I fond my video cards BUS Identifier? |
| 03:02.57 | ludi | blondie: why would it work for you but not for me |
| 03:03.02 | abrotman | blondie: oldnavy .. is like .. gap for 12 year olds |
| 03:03.10 | Sir_Grok | Seeeee!!!! My browser just timed out... after 172 seconds... and I am uploading knoppix torrents at 47kb/s |
| 03:03.13 | sonyman | abrotman, I disagree, but to each his own |
| 03:03.14 | abrotman | blondie: but don't tell ludi that :) |
| 03:03.31 | sonyman | absolutzero, lspci? |
| 03:03.38 | abrotman | absolutzero: you don't need it |
| 03:03.40 | absolutzero | lemme try it |
| 03:03.41 | sonyman | absolutzero, I'm not sure if thats what you're looking for |
| 03:03.49 | blondie | ludi: shrug |
| 03:03.52 | FourierSeries | "we're sorry; but, we do not .." wow. |
| 03:04.07 | sonyman | ludi, what happens when you attempt to go to gap.com? |
| 03:04.14 | blondie | ludi: what version of FF? :P |
| 03:04.24 | ludi | version 1.0.7 |
| 03:04.24 | abrotman | sonyman: they're owned by the same company .. same framework for both |
| 03:04.38 | blondie | well i have 1.5 |
| 03:04.40 | absolutzero | yup that worked |
| 03:04.47 | ludi | sonyman: it says "We're sorry, but we do not support the version of the browser you are using." |
| 03:04.50 | abrotman | blondie: what's your agent string ? |
| 03:04.50 | absolutzero | one video card is onboard and the other is PCI |
| 03:04.59 | blondie | umm |
| 03:05.05 | sonyman | ludi, perhaps you need 1.5? |
| 03:05.07 | ludi | blondie: how do you have 1.5? debian etch is only at 1.0.7 |
| 03:05.13 | sonyman | ludi, I'll test it real quick...ive got 1.07 |
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| 03:05.24 | blondie | I downloaded it from mozilla.com and installed it |
| 03:05.34 | ludi | blondie: are you using windows? |
| 03:05.36 | sonyman | ludi, yup, same problem. Try 1.5 |
| 03:05.37 | jbroome | ludi: there are ways other than apt to install software |
| 03:05.50 | sonyman | ludi, 1.5 is buggy though...I don't know if its worth it |
| 03:05.55 | sonyman | 1.5 has a nasty memory leak |
| 03:05.56 | ludi | what's the suggested way for me to install firefox 1.5 on debian etch? |
| 03:05.59 | absolutzero | do I out this whole thing in the prompt for dpkg-reconfigure: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R100 QD [Radeon 7200] |
| 03:06.13 | absolutzero | and PCI Bus ID 0000:00:0d.0 |
| 03:06.18 | blondie | abrotman: well you see |
| 03:06.18 | sonyman | absolutzero, no |
| 03:06.24 | blondie | I am using FF on Windows :P |
| 03:06.26 | abrotman | blondie: actually .. i don't |
| 03:06.31 | absolutzero | aha |
| 03:06.34 | sonyman | absolutzero, its not finding it automatically? |
| 03:06.48 | absolutzero | I switched my video card |
| 03:06.57 | sonyman | absolutzero, try PCI:0:0:0 |
| 03:07.05 | absolutzero | k |
| 03:07.11 | absolutzero | lspci gave me 0000:00:0d.0 |
| 03:07.16 | sonyman | yeah I know |
| 03:07.23 | abrotman | absolutzero: leave it blank |
| 03:07.27 | Sir_Grok | Oh! Oh! I've got another question... Is there anyway to make the sound on my linux box not interconnected (when I turn down xmms's volume, xin'es volume goes down as well) |
| 03:07.30 | absolutzero | blank doesn't work |
| 03:07.35 | sonyman | Sir_Grok, suicide |
| 03:07.37 | blondie | abrotman: that sucks :( |
| 03:07.48 | abrotman | blondie: that i dont' have win32 firefox ? |
| 03:07.55 | Sir_Grok | sonyman, I am sure that would solve my problem. |
| 03:07.55 | blondie | no, that you can't see :) |
| 03:07.59 | Sir_Grok | But who has time these days?> |
| 03:08.02 | sonyman | lol |
| 03:08.21 | dondelelcaro | Sir_Grok: most applications can control their own volume, but typically you have them control the system wide PCM or similar instead. |
| 03:08.46 | ludi | How should I go about installing firefox 1.5 on debian etch? |
| 03:08.51 | Sir_Grok | dondelelcaro, Well! how would I go abouts correcting that? |
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| 03:09.25 | absolutzero | brb gonna test this from the box |
| 03:09.26 | sonyman | ludi, you don't have another box to go to gap on? Firefox 1.5's memory leak steers me away from it |
| 03:09.37 | blondie | sonyman: lol |
| 03:09.43 | Sir_Grok | dondelelcaro, say for... Xmms.... That is probally the most important one for me.... |
| 03:09.48 | sonyman | I'll wait for 1.5.1 |
| 03:09.49 | ludi | sonyman: no I only have 1 box running debian etch |
| 03:09.53 | blondie | FF has already had memory leaks; hardly something new |
| 03:10.03 | sonyman | blondie, not to the degree that 1.5 has |
| 03:10.17 | dondelelcaro | Sir_Grok: for xmms it's just a setting, tell it to use software volume control instead of hardware. For xine, I don't really know if it has such an option. |
| 03:10.33 | ludi | I'm looking at the dependencies for firefox 1.5 from unstable....man I really don't want to mess my system up |
| 03:11.07 | blondie | try a different browser |
| 03:11.12 | sonyman | ludi, download the firefox 1.5 tgz from mozilla, and just run it from its directory |
| 03:11.19 | ludi | I tried mozilla, firefox, and epiphany...they all don't work |
| 03:11.20 | sonyman | ludi, you don't even need to install it |
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| 03:11.45 | ludi | sonyman: Oh you mean compile it but just don't do a make-install |
| 03:11.55 | sonyman | ludi, no, download the precompiled binary |
| 03:12.05 | sonyman | ludi, just extract it and run it from the extracted folder |
| 03:12.21 | ludi | okay good idea thanks |
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| 03:12.26 | sonyman | np |
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| 03:13.31 | absolutzero | I told it to use PCI:0:0:0 but it still tried PCI:1:0:0 |
| 03:13.42 | ludi | sonyman: I get the same error with firefox 1.5 that I just downloaded |
| 03:13.48 | Sir_Grok | dondelelcaro, I am trying to find the exact option, but I don't know wexa=ctly what I am looking for... I have tried "Volume controls master, not PCM" and that didn't do anything. I know little of the Linux Sounds servers |
| 03:13.55 | sonyman | ludi, wierd...I don't know what to tell you then..sorry |
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| 03:14.31 | sonyman | absolutzero, look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:15.15 | Sir_Grok | dondelelcaro, When i toggled that... THe volume control slide on xmms doesn't change when I change other program's volume, but xmms's output is effected by the change in other programs |
| 03:15.26 | absolutzero | not using xorg |
| 03:15.30 | absolutzero | using xfree86 |
| 03:16.14 | sonyman | absolutzero, there should be a configuration file in that directory with a logical name |
| 03:16.25 | absolutzero | XF86Config-4 |
| 03:16.30 | sonyman | yup |
| 03:16.31 | sonyman | thats the one |
| 03:16.52 | absolutzero | what should I be looking for? |
| 03:17.02 | g3brown | blondie: I'm still messing with exim4. I'm getting "R=dnslookup defer (-1): host lookup did not complete". This would explain my long pause starting MTA too. |
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| 03:17.28 | sonyman | see if anything looks wrong...like if there is an entry for the device location (pci bus) |
| 03:17.41 | sonyman | I'm just guessing here, but its a logical place to start |
| 03:18.07 | absolutzero | okay I am gonna blast the config file and write a new one |
| 03:18.14 | sonyman | thats worth a shot |
| 03:19.10 | dondelelcaro | Sir_Grok: sure, that's because the other programs are changing the hardware volume control, which xmms is outputting through. |
| 03:19.43 | EdLin | absolutzero: that's a bad idea, if you delete it then reconfiguring and maybe install won't change it when needed |
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| 03:19.59 | absolutzero | I don't understand? |
| 03:20.38 | abrotman | with that kind of punctuation .. apparently not :) |
| 03:20.42 | EdLin | absolutzero: if you delete it dpkg and debconf will figure there's a good reason for it and will no longer update it or maybe install it |
| 03:20.57 | abrotman | EdLin: missconf |
| 03:20.58 | absolutzero | ah crap alreadt blasted it |
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| 03:21.30 | absolutzero | yup debconf is not writing a new one like I tought |
| 03:21.37 | absolutzero | or it wrote it somewhere else |
| 03:22.32 | FourierSeries | ludi: still here? |
| 03:22.33 | absolutzero | okay created a blank one gonna try again |
| 03:22.35 | FourierSeries | durn |
| 03:22.59 | EdLin | absolutzero: the blank one won't be updated either, it has the wrong md5 signature |
| 03:23.06 | absolutzero | well crap |
| 03:23.10 | absolutzero | I am screwed |
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| 03:23.23 | EdLin | !tell absolutzero about xmd5 |
| 03:23.38 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 03:23.38 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 03:24.12 | MikeDub | I've just set up proftpd. I also have apache2 running. "user" can login to the ftp no problem, but I'd like them to be able to upload to /var/www/. how would i do that? at the moment I get premission denied. |
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| 03:25.05 | sifi | has anyone here played with pbm? |
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| 03:25.33 | abrotman | MikeDub: permissions and ownership are probably wrong ? |
| 03:26.02 | Tonio | does anyone kno any software based internet sharing software that supports a DMZ |
| 03:26.07 | absolutzero | hope te md5 thing works |
| 03:26.10 | MikeDub | probably |
| 03:26.52 | FourierSeries | MikeDub: what user does apache run under? it the directory set up so that user can wrie to it? |
| 03:27.26 | absolutzero | yup that worked |
| 03:27.30 | Sir_Grok | Thanks guys.. I am going to go and try to fix my problems. |
| 03:27.32 | Sir_Grok | Adieu. |
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| 03:28.11 | ice_1963 | man kde in sid run's good :0) |
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| 03:28.41 | absolutzero | hmm doesn't mention PCI:0:0:0 |
| 03:28.53 | absolutzero | ah found it |
| 03:32.15 | abrotman | there's a man page for kde ? |
| 03:32.30 | phogg | how do I make bind start talking to rndc again? |
| 03:32.50 | Gnea | phogg: what made it stop? |
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| 03:34.23 | phogg | Gnea: not sure. It was working when I set it up months ago but not when I tried to use it today |
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| 03:35.06 | phogg | the problem with things just working is that you forget about them (until they go wrong). |
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| 03:38.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: MastaP on join spam |
| 03:38.31 | abrotman | and it's not the first time he's spammed the channel |
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| 03:38.55 | abrotman | !cheesesteak gravity |
| 03:39.29 | abrotman | wait |
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| 03:39.38 | abrotman | gravity: you gotta kick him too :) |
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| 03:39.57 | gravity | Right, thanks |
| 03:39.58 | abrotman | thank you :) |
| 03:40.26 | abrotman | i was like .. oh that's good .. then i realized he was still here :) |
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| 03:47.19 | tuv | can i configure wpasupplicant to use a static ip for a network and dhcp for another? |
| 03:47.39 | abrotman | tuv: you fix my winmodem .. i'll fix your wifi :) |
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| 03:48.21 | tuv | abrotman: i never succeeded at using a modem in linux.. although my last trial was a few years ago |
| 03:49.35 | tuv | abrotman: can i fix you something else? :) |
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| 03:50.29 | abrotman | tuv: hot cocoa |
| 03:51.09 | abrotman | tuv: perhaps ask #wireless .. i don't see why not .. but i can't say for certain |
| 03:51.13 | tuv | abrotman: done.. you'll get it in the mail.. now can we discuss wpasupplicant? |
| 03:51.16 | abrotman | tuv: or do you mean in your interfaces file ? |
| 03:51.35 | abrotman | tuv: i suspect that will be cold/spilled cocoa :) |
| 03:52.14 | tuv | abrotman: i know i can do it using a script and interfaces file, but since wpasupplicant is already identifying the network why doesn't it configure the ip while at it.. |
| 03:52.43 | tuv | abrotman: i'll try #wireless.. thanks |
| 03:53.13 | abrotman | tuv: you've surpassed my knowledge of wifi .. i blame the 802.11b waves flying through my brain! |
| 03:53.16 | tuv | abrotman: enjoy your cocoa.. (tip: a microwave might help) :) |
| 03:54.47 | concept10 | Anyone here ever play the game TORCS? I dont know what to do with the new drivers, need help. |
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| 03:56.36 | abrotman | concept10: i have .. but only the package in debian |
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| 03:57.32 | abrotman | concept10: which .. of course .. is no help to you :) |
| 03:57.38 | concept10 | abrotman, the robot drivers are c++ files, im not sure if i have to compile them or not. thanks anyway |
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| 03:57.55 | gravity | C++ should definitely be compiled |
| 03:57.55 | abrotman | concept10: i thought they had a support channel |
| 03:58.09 | Kovecses | #c++ |
| 03:58.12 | Kovecses | maybe |
| 03:59.23 | abrotman | ah .. if only C++ were interpreted :) |
| 03:59.41 | gravity | ew |
| 04:00.55 | Kovecses | how can i see my error messeges that occur during boot |
| 04:01.22 | FourierSeries | "dmesg" ? |
| 04:02.26 | Kovecses | dmesg... only displays messeges up to a certain point |
| 04:02.32 | FourierSeries | assuming the boot at least reaches a command prompt. |
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| 04:02.48 | FourierSeries | or ... "dmesg | more" |
| 04:02.49 | ke6isf | Kovecses: You can check syslog |
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| 04:03.07 | falls | hello , Where can I find the kdevelop3 deb package for etch ? |
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| 04:03.34 | Kovecses | syslog.... is empty |
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| 04:03.55 | concept10 | in order to compile, the directory needs a 'make' file or 'makefile' or both? |
| 04:04.31 | gravity | Makefile |
| 04:04.37 | gravity | ' |
| 04:04.42 | gravity | 'make' is the program itself |
| 04:05.43 | abrotman | FourierSeries: boot.log ? |
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| 04:06.32 | FourierSeries | abrotman: I would start with "dmesg" but; yes one can check out the various logs in /var/log. and so ... |
| 04:06.46 | concept10 | does this mean its already compiled? Makefile:31: no file name for `include' |
| 04:06.46 | concept10 | make: *** No rule to make target `install |
| 04:06.57 | FourierSeries | Kovecses: as per abrotman - check out /var/log/boot.log as well. |
| 04:06.57 | abrotman | FourierSeries: don't make me fork&knife you! |
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| 04:07.01 | MrKrrtft | hi folks |
| 04:07.31 | Kovecses | i dont even have a boot.log!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:07.45 | abrotman | Kovecses: are you using windows ? |
| 04:07.50 | SimonRaven | mmm, dinner time |
| 04:07.54 | abrotman | oh wait .. even windows has a boot.log :) |
| 04:08.00 | MrKrrtft | Firefox 1.5... what would be the best way to get it installed on Debian Testing? |
| 04:08.07 | Kovecses | abrotman: i dont have one in /var/log |
| 04:08.13 | abrotman | oh wait .. mine is gone too! |
| 04:08.18 | SimonRaven | boot, not boot.log |
| 04:08.23 | MrKrrtft | I have search the 'net and cannot seem to find a good answer. |
| 04:08.33 | Kovecses | MrKrrtft: download it from the firefox website |
| 04:08.44 | FourierSeries | Oh K' |
| 04:08.45 | abrotman | MrKrrtft: there is no good way .. you have to use the installer from mozilla.org |
| 04:08.50 | SimonRaven | apt-get install after a 10 day wait? :) |
| 04:08.55 | MrKrrtft | Kovecses: It's not in the repositories yet? hrm. |
| 04:08.59 | abrotman | SimonRaven: 2-10 day wait :) |
| 04:09.36 | MrKrrtft | SimonRaven: heh *chuckle* it's been a few days past 10 since 1.5 came out hehh |
| 04:09.41 | FourierSeries | Kovecses: what OS are you using? Debian, yes? |
| 04:09.59 | abrotman | !why is firefox not in testing |
| 04:09.59 | dpkg | firefox is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=firefox |
| 04:10.13 | SimonRaven | MrKrrtft: no,entering sid and no rc bugs since |
| 04:10.17 | MrKrrtft | abrotman Thanks. |
| 04:10.23 | Kovecses | FourierSeries: yes im on sid |
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| 04:10.44 | abrotman | !dbugs 330606 |
| 04:10.44 | MrKrrtft | simonRaven: are you saying it is in sid, and running ok? |
| 04:10.47 | dpkg | #330606:G[mozilla-firefox] mozilla-firefox does not start up; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:33:12 UTC |
| 04:10.51 | abrotman | vague! :) |
| 04:11.01 | Kovecses | etch... is missing alot of packages at the moment |
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| 04:11.12 | abrotman | MrKrrtft: bugs.debian.org/firefox .. apparently it's all kinds of fubar |
| 04:11.14 | FourierSeries | Kovecses: you can check out the various logs under /var/log, assuming the "dmesg" command does not give anything useful. |
| 04:11.20 | concept10 | MrKrrtft, just download it, extract into your home dir and run the binary |
| 04:11.27 | MrKrrtft | abrotman: ahh i see |
| 04:11.32 | MrKrrtft | concept10 thanks :) |
| 04:11.46 | abrotman | Kovecses: what are you looking for ? |
| 04:11.49 | Kovecses | MrKrrtft: i told you that ten minutes ago |
| 04:12.05 | MrKrrtft | Kovecses: yep, thanks. |
| 04:12.11 | Kovecses | abrotman: im get an error at boot.... |
| 04:12.18 | abrotman | you said that :) |
| 04:12.21 | Kovecses | abrotman: tells me to run fsck |
| 04:12.24 | abrotman | ack! |
| 04:12.26 | abrotman | and you don't ? |
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| 04:12.27 | SimonRaven | wee bit slow, arentchya |
| 04:12.30 | FourierSeries | ouffda. |
| 04:12.48 | Kovecses | abrotman: fsck tells me that it will destroy my partitions |
| 04:12.55 | abrotman | Kovecses: is that all ? |
| 04:13.11 | Kovecses | abrotman: umm |
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| 04:13.31 | SimonRaven | SDNTOTI |
| 04:14.13 | abrotman | SimonRaven Did Not Tell Others To Incestuate! |
| 04:14.19 | ke6isf | Running sarge. Noticed that mp3s that are ripped using Apple's iTunes program will behave unpredictably under xmms (so far, I've seen corrupt times and segmentation faults), whereas Totem doesn't seem to have this problem. Anyone have any idea why this would be? |
| 04:14.20 | abrotman | no .. that can't be right ... |
| 04:14.20 | concept10 | MrKrrtft, for some reason, ff 1.07 and 1.5 conflict on my system, so just use one of them |
| 04:14.47 | SimonRaven | hehe, hardly though |
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| 04:14.50 | abrotman | ke6isf: they use different code |
| 04:14.56 | aaronlin | hello all; I am running Debian 3.0 (or 3.1, I can't remember). With Gaim v1.2.1, I'm able to instant message my friends on the googletalk server. However, I'd like to be able to make a phone call. What is the best package to get to do this? |
| 04:15.01 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you did tell others to do that ? |
| 04:15.19 | SimonRaven | Sarcasm Does Not Translate On The Internet/Intarweb/Internets |
| 04:15.21 | abrotman | aaronlin: i think gaim2-beta barely supports that |
| 04:15.22 | ke6isf | abrotman: Seems reasonable, I'm just curious as to why. |
| 04:15.26 | aaronlin | I'm not very comfortable with GNU/Linux, so the easier the installation the better |
| 04:15.43 | ke6isf | abrotman: Or rather, why it would behave like that. |
| 04:15.49 | SimonRaven | neight am i, they have sharp horns |
| 04:15.55 | SimonRaven | neither even |
| 04:16.05 | abrotman | ke6isf: itunes is closed source ? |
| 04:16.09 | concept10 | aaronlin, skype |
| 04:16.13 | SimonRaven | duh |
| 04:16.28 | aaronlin | abrotman: is gaim2-beta very buggy? |
| 04:16.32 | abrotman | SimonRaven: not duh .. but htf would i know how itunes encodes stuff |
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| 04:16.35 | ruied | I've migrated to debian testing, now when I give the username the system reports: "system bootup in progress - pleas wait" and doesn't display the password prompt, what could be wrong? |
| 04:16.37 | ke6isf | abrotman: Well, yeah, but it puts out an mp3. Theoretically, this should work the same in any program that plays mp3s, be it xmms, totem, winamp, an ipod, whatever. |
| 04:16.42 | aaronlin | concept10: I'll check out skype |
| 04:16.44 | SimonRaven | ke6isf: i bet itunes adds crap to them (DRM) |
| 04:16.46 | abrotman | aaronlin: dunno .. haven't tried it |
| 04:17.03 | abrotman | ke6isf: you might wish to ask #xmms if it is a known problem .. or chekc the bts |
| 04:17.10 | ke6isf | abrotman: Indeed, thanks. |
| 04:17.11 | concept10 | I was about to say DRM myself |
| 04:17.14 | ruied | another thing, I dont have tty1 - tty7, but I've used to have before I've upgraded... |
| 04:17.21 | ruied | inittab seems ok |
| 04:17.26 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: That could be an issue - you wouldn't know if totem has been known to work around garbage like that, would you? |
| 04:17.30 | Kovecses | ruied: either use sarge or sid .. etch is very broken right now |
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| 04:17.37 | SimonRaven | ruied: lemme guess, udev is running |
| 04:17.51 | SimonRaven | ke6isf: not a clue in sight |
| 04:18.10 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: No worries. Time to experiment, methinks. |
| 04:18.10 | abrotman | ke6isf: you'd have to travel over to irc.gnome.org for gnome-ish technical questions :) |
| 04:18.20 | aaronlin | concept10: what is skype, exactly? |
| 04:18.21 | ke6isf | abrotman: Ah, indeed. =^^= |
| 04:18.26 | abrotman | !skype |
| 04:18.26 | dpkg | hmm... skype is a non-free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols |
| 04:18.27 | abrotman | !gizmo |
| 04:18.27 | dpkg | [gizmo] http://www.gizmoproject.com/ .. A VoIP project |
| 04:18.33 | SimonRaven | aaronlin: useless |
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| 04:19.07 | absolutzero | whoot got my video card issue fixed |
| 04:19.29 | absolutzero | I used xf86config instead of dpkg |
| 04:19.33 | abrotman | why |
| 04:19.38 | abrotman | watever |
| 04:19.45 | SimonRaven | dpkg doesn't configure anything |
| 04:19.47 | ruied | SimonRaven, don't have udev running |
| 04:20.02 | absolutzero | spkg-reconfigure |
| 04:20.35 | absolutzero | dpkg-reconfigure I mean, but I used xf86config instead, it probed the PCI bus |
| 04:20.42 | SimonRaven | eh, can't get 'em all |
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| 04:20.44 | abrotman | now do the xmd5 thingie |
| 04:20.52 | SimonRaven | x does anyway.... |
| 04:21.01 | absolutzero | the md5 thing? |
| 04:21.23 | SimonRaven | (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) |
| 04:21.31 | absolutzero | that way debconf can update if needed |
| 04:21.34 | SimonRaven | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:21.51 | SimonRaven | has since as far as i know (which was 3.3.x) |
| 04:21.59 | ruied | is there any way back from etch to sarge? |
| 04:22.05 | littleball | hello, what is SATA controller? |
| 04:22.26 | SimonRaven | satan's brother-in-law |
| 04:22.48 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 04:22.48 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 04:22.59 | EdLin | !tell ruied about downgrade |
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| 04:23.17 | SimonRaven | just being silly |
| 04:23.18 | abrotman | !sata faq =~ s/ , or/ or/ |
| 04:23.19 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 04:23.20 | EdLin | argh... |
| 04:23.25 | abrotman | urgh! |
| 04:23.39 | SimonRaven | irgh |
| 04:23.46 | abrotman | SimonRaven: don't make me take your Molson XXX :) |
| 04:23.46 | EdLin | abrotman: closed the wrong window |
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| 04:24.08 | SimonRaven | i don't drink (anymore), even less that crap |
| 04:24.22 | aFlag | what program should i use to make a video dvd that is able to run on dvd players? I want to be able to add a menu also |
| 04:24.26 | aFlag | drinking is good |
| 04:24.30 | abrotman | oh thank god .. a canadian that doesn't think "We have all the real beer in america" |
| 04:24.34 | aFlag | otherwise how can you be happy? |
| 04:24.35 | ruied | ho man, I'm going to kill my self! what shall I do now? I can't enter in my system, I just have one console... in inittab it seems to be all 7 tty... |
| 04:24.51 | ruied | what shall I do? upgrade tu unstable? |
| 04:24.56 | SimonRaven | abrotman: but we do ;) |
| 04:24.57 | ruied | reinstall? |
| 04:25.24 | abrotman | SimonRaven: damn it .. you do not! |
| 04:25.26 | SimonRaven | what else do you think we do up here in the winter, besides fuck, eat, and play hockey? |
| 04:25.33 | abrotman | SimonRaven: curling ? |
| 04:25.42 | abrotman | skiing ? |
| 04:25.46 | aFlag | computer games? |
| 04:25.49 | SimonRaven | forgot the curling |
| 04:25.56 | abrotman | ice skating |
| 04:25.58 | abrotman | snow boarding |
| 04:26.06 | abrotman | split wood ... |
| 04:26.07 | aFlag | working |
| 04:26.14 | abrotman | making yellow snow angels |
| 04:26.15 | thc | !tell abrotman about enter |
| 04:26.17 | Kovecses | anyone using sid? |
| 04:26.17 | ^kiwi | snowboard mmm |
| 04:26.21 | SimonRaven | s/hockey/winter sports/ |
| 04:26.29 | abrotman | !tell thc about yellow snow angels |
| 04:26.41 | thc | mmmmm yellow snow |
| 04:26.45 | SimonRaven | oh, snow snakes |
| 04:26.55 | ^kiwi | !tell thc about snowmen with morbidly large reproduction organs |
| 04:27.00 | SimonRaven | they're huge |
| 04:27.07 | abrotman | ^kiwi: that was his head . it fell off |
| 04:27.20 | ^kiwi | abrotman could have fooled me |
| 04:27.28 | ruied | I need an advice, what could you guys advice me? I have debian testing, but it's not good... what shall I do? change to unstable? reinstall the whole system?...?...? |
| 04:27.49 | absolutzero | hmm says display ":1.0" does not support the GLX extension. |
| 04:27.53 | thc | ruied: how can anyone answer that without knowing what the purpose of your server is |
| 04:27.53 | Kovecses | ruied: do you have alot on your system that you need? |
| 04:28.00 | thc | ruied: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 04:28.07 | absolutzero | when i try to run a screensaver |
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| 04:29.16 | Pupeno | Hola. |
| 04:29.20 | abrotman | !es |
| 04:29.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:29.26 | ruied | all I need is in another disk (/home) |
| 04:30.07 | absolutzero | is that a video card problem? |
| 04:30.25 | Pupeno | what program do you recommend for catching and viewing network packets ? I am codding a DNS server and I want something easy to use, possibly graphic, to see the packets I receive and send. |
| 04:31.00 | EdLin | Pupeno: tcpdump, ethereal |
| 04:31.01 | lunitik | Pupeno: ethereal ... tcpdumb ... lots |
| 04:31.13 | SerajewelKS | Pupeno: ethereal will be the most user-friendly way to view them |
| 04:31.25 | Pupeno | thanks. |
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| 04:31.33 | aFlag | ethereal is really good |
| 04:31.37 | ruied | thc, my server is for samba domain controller ( to windows clients) and for my 32'' HDTV (1360x768) to work as a media center (with the latest gnome and kde - eye candy stuff) |
| 04:31.44 | Pupeno | I wanted something more friendly that tcpdump |
| 04:31.44 | abrotman | thc: to watch packets .. duh |
| 04:31.48 | thc | heh |
| 04:31.50 | thc | later |
| 04:31.54 | SerajewelKS | Pupeno: that would be ethereal then |
| 04:32.02 | Pupeno | thanks. |
| 04:32.11 | Pupeno | Can I view the packets as binary with ethereal ? |
| 04:32.20 | aFlag | yes |
| 04:32.25 | SerajewelKS | Pupeno: but if you're developing on a headless box, you can dump the packets into a file with tcpdump and open the file with ethereal |
| 04:32.32 | SerajewelKS | Pupeno: www.ethereal.com -- look at the screenshots |
| 04:32.38 | SerajewelKS | Pupeno: then apt-get install ethereal |
| 04:32.55 | SerajewelKS | oh damn, abrotman left |
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| 04:33.17 | ruied | thc, what do you advice? maybe debian is not the best chois for stability and the latest graphical stuff... |
| 04:33.19 | absolutzero | so any input on this GLX error? |
| 04:33.43 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: what card do you have |
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| 04:34.08 | absolutzero | ATI Rage 6 (Driver is ATI Radeon Generic) |
| 04:34.18 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: what does `glxinfo` say |
| 04:34.24 | absolutzero | sec |
| 04:34.42 | absolutzero | Error: unable to open display (null) |
| 04:34.50 | absolutzero | run from xterm? |
| 04:34.51 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: well of course DISPLAY needs to be set |
| 04:35.00 | thc | ruied: i'd run sid on a desktop before i ran etch but that's probably not a good option for you. |
| 04:35.23 | absolutzero | the DISPLAY environment? Defoult is O:O |
| 04:35.40 | absolutzero | okay here ya go |
| 04:35.43 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: "default" does not imply that it's even set |
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| 04:36.26 | absolutzero | okay Display is 0:0 |
| 04:36.52 | absolutzero | says Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on disply 0:0 |
| 04:37.05 | sanxiyn | Hm, how do I modify /msg dpkg firefox to point to "firefox" instead of "mozilla-firefox"? |
| 04:37.12 | ruied | thc, going to sid... I have nothing to loose anymore... |
| 04:37.22 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: you loaded the glx module in your X config? xorg/xfree? |
| 04:37.38 | SerajewelKS | !firefox |
| 04:37.38 | dpkg | somebody said mozilla-firefox was the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox, or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs\"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. Hit moznet (irc.mozilla.org) for the proper firefox support channel :) |
| 04:37.48 | absolutzero | how do you do that? or check if it has been done? |
| 04:37.48 | SerajewelKS | sanxiyn: it's not in etch yet |
| 04:37.55 | aFlag | if i search on aptitude for mjpegtools i get "v mjpegtools" how do i install that? |
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| 04:37.56 | sanxiyn | SerajewelKS: Indeed. |
| 04:38.06 | sanxiyn | SerajewelKS: Should be fixed once it's in. |
| 04:38.22 | SerajewelKS | !firefox =~ s/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5)/ |
| 04:38.22 | dpkg | OK, SerajewelKS |
| 04:38.26 | SerajewelKS | !firefox |
| 04:38.37 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: hi |
| 04:38.37 | dpkg | hey, serajewelks |
| 04:38.40 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: firefox |
| 04:38.43 | SerajewelKS | gah |
| 04:38.45 | sanxiyn | ;;; |
| 04:38.48 | SerajewelKS | yay spam control |
| 04:39.12 | absolutzero | SerajewelKS: How do i check if the GLX extension has been loaded in? |
| 04:39.15 | SerajewelKS | dammit, where did the factoid go |
| 04:39.20 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: check your X logs |
| 04:39.25 | thc | !ff |
| 04:39.25 | dpkg | it has been said that ff is even in dutch |
| 04:39.29 | SerajewelKS | or wait |
| 04:39.41 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: firefox is see mozilla-firefox |
| 04:39.41 | dpkg | ...but firefox is already something else... |
| 04:39.47 | sanxiyn | So it's =~ s/// |
| 04:39.48 | sanxiyn | I see. |
| 04:39.49 | aaronlin | Skype worked excellent...thanks |
| 04:39.51 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: literal firefox |
| 04:39.51 | dpkg | "#debian firefox" is "<reply> see mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5)" |
| 04:39.53 | thc | !firefox |
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| 04:40.01 | thc | weird |
| 04:40.03 | aaronlin | how about voice support for GoogleTalk? |
| 04:40.03 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: no, firefox is <reply> see mozilla-firefox |
| 04:40.03 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: okay |
| 04:40.05 | aaronlin | that is my next goal |
| 04:40.16 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: mozilla-firefox =~ s/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5)/ |
| 04:40.16 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: OK |
| 04:40.19 | SerajewelKS | !firefox |
| 04:40.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mozilla-firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs\"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. Hit moznet (irc.mozilla.org) for the proper firefox support channel :) |
| 04:40.26 | SerajewelKS | there |
| 04:40.29 | absolutzero | where are the X logs located? |
| 04:40.37 | absolutzero | I don't see em in /etc/X11 |
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| 04:40.43 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: /etc is for config, not logs |
| 04:40.44 | sinizzl | hi |
| 04:40.53 | sinizzl | i just installed debian and i can't get any sound working :( |
| 04:40.53 | absolutzero | oh /var then? |
| 04:41.04 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 04:41.17 | SerajewelKS | sanxiyn: keep it in the channel |
| 04:41.22 | SerajewelKS | sanxiyn: /msg dpkg firefox |
| 04:41.25 | sinizzl | what does debian use by default? alsa or oss ? |
| 04:41.36 | SerajewelKS | sinizzl: sarge uses alsa |
| 04:41.37 | dondelelcaro | win 41 |
| 04:41.40 | aFlag | how do i install a package that will install the mjpegtools virtual package? |
| 04:42.01 | SerajewelKS | who the hell is koshbot and why is he telling me i don't have access to "that" -- whatever "that" is |
| 04:42.02 | dondelelcaro | aFlag: find a package that provides mjpegtools using grep-dctrl and install it. |
| 04:42.03 | sinizzl | SerajewelKS, do i need to install a sound daemon ? |
| 04:42.14 | SerajewelKS | sinizzl: depends |
| 04:42.14 | sinizzl | i can't even play sound as root |
| 04:42.21 | SerajewelKS | sinizzl: then your setup is borked |
| 04:42.22 | dondelelcaro | !test |
| 04:42.22 | dpkg | Yes, dondelelcaro, you're still online. |
| 04:42.27 | SerajewelKS | sinizzl: possibly no drivers |
| 04:42.52 | sinizzl | the modules are loaded |
| 04:42.59 | absolutzero | there is no mention of GLX in the log |
| 04:43.05 | sinizzl | i have an ens1371 soundcard |
| 04:43.11 | sinizzl | it worked pretty well in gentoo.... |
| 04:43.11 | dondelelcaro | !firefox |
| 04:43.11 | dpkg | i heard mozilla-firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs\"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. Hit moznet (irc.mozilla.org) for the proper firefox support channel :) |
| 04:43.20 | aFlag | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 04:43.33 | dondelelcaro | sinizzl: it's supported by the kernel, so it will work in any distribtuion. |
| 04:44.02 | dondelelcaro | sinizzl: if you're using an es1371, just load the es1371 module, and it will work. |
| 04:44.10 | sinizzl | is there some kind of special soudns etup necessary after the base install ? |
| 04:44.15 | sinizzl | the modules IS loaded |
| 04:44.17 | aaronlin | is gaim vv worth looking into, or should I just go with gaim 2.0? |
| 04:44.34 | dondelelcaro | sinizzl: what was the dmesg output from the module loading? |
| 04:44.35 | absolutzero | ah...no glx debs available for srage? |
| 04:44.44 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: glx is not a "deb" |
| 04:44.47 | dondelelcaro | sinizzl: did you also load the snd_oss module? |
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| 04:44.57 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: glx is provided by the X driver. make sure it's enabled in the configs. |
| 04:45.15 | absolutzero | how do I endable GLX=TRUE? |
| 04:45.20 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: and check which X driver you're using |
| 04:45.34 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: make sure it matches your video card, and that you have any required kernel modules loaded |
| 04:45.46 | sinizzl | dmesg | grep odule only tells me about my graphicscard module |
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| 04:46.06 | dondelelcaro | sinizzl: search for 1371, not 'odule'. |
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| 04:46.35 | dondelelcaro | sinizzl: and you'll have better luck with dmesg|less, then /1371; instead of grep. |
| 04:46.40 | sinizzl | gaggi:/home/sinizzl# dmesg | grep 1371 |
| 04:46.41 | sinizzl | es1371: version v0.32 time 13:45:31 Aug 16 2005 |
| 04:47.22 | sinizzl | when i type in aumix at the console it tells me "fehler beim oeffnen des mixers" which translates to "failed to open mixer" |
| 04:47.34 | dondelelcaro | sinizzl: uh... that shouldn't be the only line that matches 1371. |
| 04:47.39 | absolutzero | hmm I have glx. let me see if updating the config does the trick |
| 04:47.45 | SerajewelKS | sinizzl: use alsamixer |
| 04:47.59 | sinizzl | SerajewelKS, apt-get isntall alsamixer tells me there's no such package |
| 04:48.01 | dondelelcaro | sinizzl: if you actually have a 1371 it should be followed by 'es1371: found chip, vendor id 0x1274 device id 0x1371 revision 0x08' et al. |
| 04:48.11 | SerajewelKS | sinizzl: because it's not in a package named alsamixer? |
| 04:48.14 | SerajewelKS | sinizzl: TYPE alsamixer |
| 04:48.22 | dondelelcaro | sinizzl: it's part of alsa-utils. |
| 04:48.31 | sinizzl | alsamixer: command not found |
| 04:48.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell sinizzl -about installit |
| 04:48.42 | sifi | how can i make lynx -dump exclude URL:s that includes the text "foo" ? |
| 04:48.55 | SerajewelKS | sifi: lynx ... | grep -v foo |
| 04:49.32 | sinizzl | mkay |
| 04:49.53 | sinizzl | alsamixer does nothing |
| 04:50.02 | sifi | SerajewelKS, thx |
| 04:50.08 | dondelelcaro | sinizzl: what is the output of lspci on this box? |
| 04:50.18 | absolutzero | okay "Load 'glx'" was commented out, gonna reboot |
| 04:50.20 | SerajewelKS | sinizzl: and try 'amixer controls' too |
| 04:50.29 | SerajewelKS | gah |
| 04:50.33 | sinizzl | 0000:00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02) |
| 04:50.36 | SerajewelKS | reboot, pfff |
| 04:50.44 | dondelelcaro | sinizzl: uh... that's *not* a 1371. |
| 04:50.57 | sinizzl | dondelelcaro, the 1371 always worked for me before |
| 04:51.02 | dondelelcaro | sinizzl: 0000:00:14.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 08) <-- that is a 1371. |
| 04:51.09 | sinizzl | and it even says on the chip itself it's a 1371 |
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| 04:53.13 | sanxiyn | Hm, for whatever reason, Firefox 1.5 insists on printing to Letter, not A4. |
| 04:53.23 | sanxiyn | Anyone experienced that? |
| 04:53.32 | sinizzl | the funniest thing is xmms pretends it's playing stuff |
| 04:53.43 | sanxiyn | Non-A4 printing is useless to me. |
| 04:53.53 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: have you set up libpaper properly? |
| 04:53.59 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Sure. |
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| 04:54.30 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: and set the properties in the print dialog? |
| 04:54.32 | sanxiyn | This seems to be Firefox-specific (in that other apps print fine), and 1.5 regression too. |
| 04:54.33 | JerJer | how can i get a listing of what packages i have installed? |
| 04:54.54 | Kvant | JerJer, dpkg -l |
| 04:54.57 | SerajewelKS | JerJer: dpkg -l |grep '^i' |
| 04:55.07 | JerJer | cool thank you |
| 04:55.14 | Kvant | JerJer, dpkg -l | grep ^hi |
| 04:55.20 | SerajewelKS | Kvant: no |
| 04:55.26 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: hrm... is it giving you the "This printer size is not supported by your printer" message? |
| 04:55.34 | SerajewelKS | Kvant: unless you're only after held packages |
| 04:55.35 | Kvant | JerJer, dpkg -l | egrep '^h|^i' |
| 04:55.46 | SerajewelKS | Kvant: wtf |
| 04:55.49 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: No, it just prints wrong. |
| 04:55.54 | dondelelcaro | hrm... |
| 04:55.58 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 344401 |
| 04:56.00 | dpkg | #344401:G[firefox] firefox: all printing support broken; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:48:06 UTC |
| 04:56.07 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 04:56.07 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: well, it looks like the above is part of it... |
| 04:56.11 | SerajewelKS | JerJer: if anything. dpkg -l | grep '^.i' |
| 04:56.38 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Will add my comment... |
| 04:58.19 | JerJer | ok - i think i get the idea |
| 04:58.22 | JerJer | thank you |
| 05:00.40 | sanxiyn | Woohoo people are working on PDF output for Korean translation of Debian Installer Manual. |
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| 05:04.50 | sanxiyn | Korean PDF output have made working, but it seems to require dozens of the most bleeding edge Tex magics. :( |
| 05:05.25 | mzilikazi | how to change all filename s in a dir from "mime-application-" to "mime-application:" instead of the hard way: mv mime-application-x-bzip.png mime-application:x-bzip.png |
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| 05:07.57 | ludi | what is the package I need to install java plugin? |
| 05:08.11 | sanxiyn | ludi: None. |
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| 05:08.17 | SerajewelKS | ludi: java-package |
| 05:08.19 | jcurry | "apt-get install nvidia-glx" (an upgrade) tells me nvidia-glx depends on a non-existant package nvidia-kernel-1.0.8174 ... wtf? |
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| 05:08.32 | SerajewelKS | !tell jcurry about nvidia one liner |
| 05:09.12 | ludi | what's the best way to install the java plugin on debian etch? |
| 05:09.40 | jcurry | SerajewelKS, yes, i did that, it installed, and everything is dandy, but i can't upgrade |
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| 05:11.39 | omi2 | does anyone remember the mount option for /etc/fstab to deny block devices to be located on some partition? |
| 05:11.48 | hammerabi | nodev |
| 05:11.51 | omi2 | thanks |
| 05:12.02 | omi2 | which man page can I get it from? |
| 05:12.16 | omi2 | I only seem to have fstab(5) which is a programing man page |
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| 05:13.50 | SirGrok | How is it going peoples of the Debian channel? |
| 05:14.09 | SirGrok | That was partially rhetorical. |
| 05:14.26 | SirGrok | Anyway! Can someone help me with a KDE problem? |
| 05:14.40 | sanxiyn | SirGrok: Go ahead. |
| 05:14.47 | jcurry | SirGrok, shoot, but generally #kde is better |
| 05:15.14 | SirGrok | I am having trouble setting a program as my default program asociated with a given filetype. |
| 05:15.41 | SirGrok | The specific that I am thinking of is .avi, I set it to xine, over and over, but it keeps trying to serve it to me in mplayuer |
| 05:15.49 | omi2 | kde 3.2? |
| 05:16.14 | SirGrok | jcurry, I didn't know that that existed... and I searched kde.org for info on this and for an irc channel, but no dice. |
| 05:16.40 | SirGrok | omi2, 3.4.2 |
| 05:16.43 | jcurry | kcontrol > kde components > filer associations, search for avi in the box, and change the order |
| 05:16.51 | SerajewelKS | jcurry: rebuild the nvidia module |
| 05:16.57 | SerajewelKS | jcurry: have you switched kernels recently? |
| 05:17.15 | jcurry | SerajewelKS, no, same kernel |
| 05:17.29 | SerajewelKS | jcurry: hrm, well rebuild the module anyway (m-a a-i nvidia) and try installing nvidia-glx again |
| 05:17.49 | jcurry | SerajewelKS, i forgot, do i have to do that in a special directory? |
| 05:18.49 | SerajewelKS | jcurry: no |
| 05:18.49 | SirGrok | jcurry, that doesn't work. |
| 05:19.01 | jcurry | says target file already exists (a .deb) and then exits |
| 05:19.15 | jcurry | SirGrok, hmm, ask in #kde...lots of experts there :) |
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| 05:19.38 | hammerabi | so remove the .deb |
| 05:19.39 | SerajewelKS | hrm, why can't i encode an ogg file at 24 kbps |
| 05:19.45 | SerajewelKS | s/ogg/vorbis/ |
| 05:19.48 | jcurry | hammerabi, oh. duh. |
| 05:21.13 | hammerabi | a 24kbps vorbis stream is not going to sound very good |
| 05:21.27 | jcurry | hammerabi, ooh, now it works, and it even updated for me |
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| 05:22.12 | jcurry | hammerabi, thanks! |
| 05:22.26 | hammerabi | sure speex wouldn't be a better choice? |
| 05:22.29 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: 32kbps sounds fine, but i want to make a 24kbps (3kBps) stream |
| 05:22.33 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: even with --managed it fails |
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| 05:22.46 | smallfoot | so what is this GNU/Lesbian ?? |
| 05:22.48 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: it is speech after all |
| 05:22.53 | SerajewelKS | !troll smallfoot |
| 05:22.57 | Less`Anime | lesbian |
| 05:22.58 | Less`Anime | went beep |
| 05:23.04 | smallfoot | !troll dpkg |
| 05:23.08 | smallfoot | LOLOLOLOLOL |
| 05:23.16 | SerajewelKS | !ops smallfoot obvious |
| 05:23.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: smallfoot obvious |
| 05:23.20 | hammerabi | smallfoot: please? |
| 05:23.22 | aFlag | darn, i quit trying figure out which package provides mjpegtools :-/ |
| 05:23.25 | hammerabi | SerajewelKS: so use speex then |
| 05:23.30 | smallfoot | !troll SerajewelKS |
| 05:23.31 | dabaR_ | haha, that is puny, smallfoot what makes you happy. |
| 05:23.35 | smallfoot | :D |
| 05:23.35 | hammerabi | smallfoot: enough |
| 05:23.42 | smallfoot | ok, one more plizz |
| 05:23.46 | helix | smallfoot: no |
| 05:23.49 | smallfoot | !troll does it work with mayn words? |
| 05:23.53 | smallfoot | LOLOL |
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| 05:24.17 | dabaR_ | he was like soo happy about that one... |
| 05:24.38 | ke6isf | dabaR_: Too happy. |
| 05:24.40 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: speex is even less distributed than ogg vorbis, isn't it? |
| 05:24.58 | hammerabi | SerajewelKS: I don't know what that means |
| 05:25.11 | ke6isf | OK, so we know what LOL is, but what would LOLOL be? |
| 05:25.13 | hammerabi | SerajewelKS: it will certainly perform far better at 24kb/s speech than vorbis will, tho |
| 05:25.15 | dabaR_ | does anyone remember a factoid about resolv.conf that goes something like "ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf..." |
| 05:25.20 | dabaR_ | ke6isf: :) |
| 05:25.21 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: e.g. most windows users don't have an ogg vorbis codec .. fewer have speex |
| 05:25.23 | hammerabi | ke6isf: "I am a retard, please kill me." |
| 05:25.34 | SerajewelKS | dabaR_: yeah, there is one |
| 05:25.35 | ke6isf | hammerabi: Bwahah! |
| 05:25.42 | SerajewelKS | !resolvconf |
| 05:25.42 | hammerabi | SerajewelKS: according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis, 32kb/s is the minimum |
| 05:25.52 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: hrm |
| 05:25.55 | hammerabi | SerajewelKS: if you care about whether windows users can play it, use wma or mp3 and be done with it |
| 05:26.00 | dabaR_ | SerajewelKS: I tried that. |
| 05:26.14 | SerajewelKS | !fixresolvconf |
| 05:26.14 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself, or to edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 05:26.37 | dabaR_ | thanks a lot. |
| 05:26.50 | SerajewelKS | dabaR_: don't mention it |
| 05:27.02 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: true i suppose |
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| 05:27.34 | gteppel | Is there somewhere in the Debian GUN/Linux Installation Guide that talks about paritioning strategies? I can't seem to find such an entry... |
| 05:27.55 | SirGrok | I have tried the KDE channel.... it is dead in there. |
| 05:28.28 | SirGrok | Can anyone think of something that would prevent me from being able to save file permissions for my username? |
| 05:28.44 | SirGrok | I just ran "sudo chown -R jeff /home/jeff" |
| 05:29.05 | gteppel | I have 3 hard drives 1 10GB (hda) and 2 20GB (hdc/hdd). I'm going to RAID-0 the 20GB together, but I'm not sure how to parition hda. I know I'd like to use LVM so its easier to resize paritions if neccesary. I was thinking 50MB for boot, how much for the os? |
| 05:29.41 | Paivakil | SirGrok: ?? what was the qustion (I just came in) |
| 05:29.49 | gteppel | the box is going to be a web and database development server |
| 05:30.01 | gteppel | the 40GB RAID-0 is for file storage on my LAN |
| 05:30.19 | dabaR_ | Paivakil: none yet. |
| 05:30.25 | SirGrok | Paivakil, I can not set file associatinons through KDE. I go through the steps, and all seems dandy, but they never are saved so I am stuck having to go through rightclicking and all that slaw to open a file. |
| 05:30.30 | Flimzy | the clock on my system is running at about 2x normal speed... what's wrong? |
| 05:30.52 | dabaR_ | SirGrok: chown is for changing the owner of the files. |
| 05:30.54 | Paivakil | you mean all *.mp3 are to be opened by kaffeine, etc? |
| 05:31.07 | SirGrok | Paivakil, Yes |
| 05:31.12 | omi2 | Does anyone know whether apache 2 has issues service files over 2Gb? |
| 05:31.22 | dabaR_ | SirGrok: that is not permissions, it is called file associations most likely. |
| 05:31.25 | SirGrok | dabaR_, Yeah... I don't know anything. I just play like I do. |
| 05:31.32 | SirGrok | dabaR_, Yeah.... |
| 05:31.42 | omi2 | I have a file that is 1.9 GB it shows up in file listing, but a 3.2 Gb file doesn't |
| 05:31.54 | omi2 | both files are in the same directory and have the same permission |
| 05:32.04 | adam234 | omi2: what apache 2 version? |
| 05:32.12 | omi2 | 2.0.55 |
| 05:32.30 | adam234 | i think it is fixed in 2.2 |
| 05:32.39 | omi2 | haha, so it's a bug? |
| 05:32.56 | omi2 | if I do apt-get update/upgrade will that fix it? |
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| 05:33.01 | hammerabi | gteppel: don't bother with a boot partition unless lvm requires it |
| 05:33.07 | adam234 | i'm not sure it's packaged yet |
| 05:33.08 | hammerabi | Flimzy: and the system is... |
| 05:33.11 | adam234 | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/new_features_2_2.html |
| 05:33.17 | adam234 | look at the large file support entry |
| 05:33.22 | hammerabi | !+info apache2 sarge |
| 05:33.24 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:33.29 | dpkg | apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
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| 05:33.35 | hammerabi | the 2GB thing was to avoid breaking the DSO abi, iirc |
| 05:33.40 | Flimzy | hammerabi: amd64 x2 |
| 05:34.15 | Paivakil | SirGrok: install the mime libs |
| 05:34.17 | omi2 | I'm starting to hate apache, how good is roxen? |
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| 05:34.18 | sanxiyn | hammerabi: aha |
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| 05:34.45 | Paivakil | SirGrok: apt-cache search kde |grep mime will show the mime libraries available for you |
| 05:34.48 | hammerabi | sanxiyn: tho I dunno why they didn't fix it in apache2 to begin with |
| 05:35.03 | hammerabi | Flimzy: perhaps HPT fuckage then, what does google say? |
| 05:35.22 | Flimzy | hammerabi: google says a lot of other people have the same problem... but nobody knows a fix, apparantly |
| 05:35.48 | Flimzy | hammerabi: But the problem isn't isolated to amd64... some have it on i386, too. Which is why I'm asking here. |
| 05:35.54 | omi2 | is apache 2.2 in unstable? |
| 05:36.12 | sanxiyn | omi2: No. |
| 05:37.17 | omi2 | is there a packaged web server that can server big files? |
| 05:37.42 | SirGrok | Paivakil, I already have that downloaded. |
| 05:37.54 | SirGrok | I will reinstall though. |
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| 05:38.20 | sanxiyn | omi2: I *think* Apache 1.x can. |
| 05:38.26 | sanxiyn | Should check that. |
| 05:38.37 | omi2 | lol, why would apache 2 not have that?, but I'll check |
| 05:38.41 | omi2 | thanks for advice |
| 05:38.54 | sanxiyn | omi2: Yes, Apache 1.3 series has LFS, 2.0 and 2.1 doesn't, 2.2 does. |
| 05:39.12 | omi2 | sanxiyn, what is LFS? |
| 05:39.12 | sanxiyn | Funny indeed. |
| 05:39.16 | sanxiyn | Large File Support. |
| 05:39.39 | SirGrok | Paivakil, No dice. |
| 05:39.56 | omi2 | I do not understand why that makes a difference on the application side, shouldn't that be OS's headace? |
| 05:40.49 | Flimzy | hammerabi: What do you mean by HPT, BTW? |
| 05:40.57 | hammerabi | high-performance timer |
| 05:41.03 | Flimzy | hmm |
| 05:41.11 | Flimzy | I guess I don't know anything about that |
| 05:41.21 | sanxiyn | omi2: Hm, it matters because there's 2 set of API involved. For example, lseek and lseek64. |
| 05:41.22 | hammerabi | omi2: various functions only use 32-bit values to mess in files |
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| 05:41.43 | omi2 | why is lseek64 not default? |
| 05:41.57 | xevious | quicktime in firefox? |
| 05:41.58 | hammerabi | because the API was determined in the 70's? |
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| 05:42.19 | hammerabi | there probably wasn't 4GB of hard disk space in the world when this was decided |
| 05:42.21 | omi2 | why not make lseek be an alias for lseek64? |
| 05:42.32 | sanxiyn | omi2: Mostly, too much trouble. |
| 05:42.36 | hammerabi | because it's not API or ABI compatible |
| 05:42.55 | omi2 | but who cares if it's api from 70s |
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| 05:43.13 | hammerabi | that's not the point |
| 05:43.20 | hammerabi | it would break existing application |
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| 05:43.25 | omi2 | oh |
| 05:43.25 | hammerabi | er, every existing |
| 05:43.56 | xevious | does quicktime4linux make firefox able to play embedded mov files? |
| 05:44.09 | hammerabi | xevious: that seems unlikely |
| 05:44.24 | xevious | boo |
| 05:44.26 | hammerabi | presumably the mplayer firefox plugin can tho |
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| 05:44.49 | sanxiyn | xevious: It's likely mozilla-mplayer can though. |
| 05:45.05 | omi2 | ok, would you not be able to make a 32 bit int to 64 bit int converter inside lseek and then call lseek64? |
| 05:45.34 | hammerabi | omi2: where do the other bits come from? |
| 05:45.47 | hammerabi | the applications are using 32-bit variables as file offsets |
| 05:46.17 | omi2 | yeah, the other bits are null 33..63 |
| 05:46.18 | xevious | sanxiyn: mozilla-mplayer isnt in testing i bet? |
| 05:46.31 | omi2 | you still get the same value only expressed with 64 bit int |
| 05:47.19 | omi2 | if I can store number k using x bits , I should be able to store number k using x*2 bits, I don't see what the problem is |
| 05:47.42 | hammerabi | sure |
| 05:47.45 | hammerabi | what's the point, though? |
| 05:47.52 | hammerabi | the application still can't see moe than 2GB of a file |
| 05:48.35 | xevious | curse this cruel world and nothing being available in testing |
| 05:48.36 | omi2 | yeah, you're right |
| 05:48.40 | sanxiyn | xevious: Eh? |
| 05:48.42 | sanxiyn | xevious: It is. |
| 05:48.48 | xevious | ok |
| 05:48.59 | sanxiyn | xevious: Include contrib in your sources.list. |
| 05:49.24 | sanxiyn | xevious: And get mplayer elsewhere (as it's not in Debian archive) |
| 05:49.29 | omi2 | I was just having an idiot moment as I was expecting int* and when I looked at man:lseek it had int |
| 05:49.59 | sanxiyn | xevious: mozilla-mplayer provides mplayerplug-in-{wmp,rm,qt}.xpt, which is intended to be compatible with Windows Media Player, Real Media, QuickTime plugins on Windows. |
| 05:50.04 | Azar | I was wondering where could I get some tools for Xwindows that would let me see system hardware details.. |
| 05:50.31 | sanxiyn | Azar: Too many to count... |
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| 05:50.57 | Azar | sanxiyn :) care to share a link with utilities in Sarge? |
| 05:52.13 | sanxiyn | Azar: http://freshmeat.net/projects/gkrellm |
| 05:53.20 | Azar | thank you, sanxiyn |
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| 05:56.39 | Azar | ah so sad... runs in sid |
| 05:57.49 | Flimzy | Azar: xterm; lspci |
| 05:58.27 | sanxiyn | Azar: ? |
| 05:59.20 | Azar | gkrellm runs in unstable |
| 05:59.27 | sanxiyn | Azar: It's also available for stable. |
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| 05:59.41 | sanxiyn | !info gkrellm |
| 05:59.49 | dpkg | gkrellm: (multiple stacked system monitors: 1 process [client]), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.2.7-5 (sid), Packaged size: 393 kB, Installed size: 908 kB |
| 05:59.57 | sanxiyn | hm |
| 05:59.58 | sanxiyn | !info gkrellm sarge |
| 06:00.01 | dpkg | gkrellm: (multiple stacked system monitors: 1 process [client]), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.2.5-1.3 (sarge), Packaged size: 405 kB, Installed size: 984 kB |
| 06:00.09 | Azar | :) |
| 06:00.35 | Azar | nice, I was looking at software packages in Debian and did not see it, ok I will try to install it |
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| 06:03.39 | kapaka | ? |
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| 06:06.19 | omi2 | ok now I'm having issues of not being able to download the long file |
| 06:06.30 | omi2 | links doesn't work, wget doesn't work |
| 06:06.37 | omi2 | why is it so difficult!!! |
| 06:06.51 | omi2 | make the damn sizes int64 |
| 06:06.56 | sanxiyn | omi2: wget too has LFS problem, IIRC. |
| 06:07.14 | sanxiyn | omi2: See http://software.lpetrov.net/wget-LFS/ |
| 06:07.31 | omi2 | Is there a list of programs to avoid (that have LFS issues)? |
| 06:07.35 | sanxiyn | Hm, I wonder what's the current status? |
| 06:07.42 | omi2 | current status doesn't work |
| 06:08.07 | omi2 | "wget: retr.c:292: calc_rate: Assertion 'bytes >=0' failed" |
| 06:08.19 | sanxiyn | Aha. |
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| 06:08.32 | sanxiyn | omi2: According to Debian changelog, |
| 06:08.33 | sanxiyn | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/w/wget/wget_1.10.2-1/changelog |
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| 06:08.47 | sanxiyn | wget (1.10-1) * long awaited large file system (LFS) is included |
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| 06:08.59 | sanxiyn | omi2: Perhaps you could get a backport. |
| 06:09.20 | omi2 | I have 1.9.1 |
| 06:09.23 | omi2 | hmm |
| 06:09.26 | Flimzy | Is scp able to resume? And if so... how... I can't find the option in the man page, but could have sworn I've done it before |
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| 06:09.32 | sanxiyn | So wget >= 1.10 is okay. |
| 06:09.37 | simpletron | hi |
| 06:09.41 | xevious | by any chance has anyone seen that OS X program that enhances sound quality on laptop speakers? |
| 06:09.53 | omi2 | is it in testing? |
| 06:09.57 | sanxiyn | omi2: Yes. |
| 06:10.01 | konfuzed | Flimzy: hey I was just wonderin does irc dcc resume transfers? |
| 06:10.11 | dondelelcaro | !info wget testing |
| 06:10.12 | simpletron | hello |
| 06:10.20 | Flimzy | konfuzed: Dont' knw... dont' care. DCC sucks |
| 06:10.20 | omi2 | sanxiyn, do you know what that means? it means my script to update mirror doesn't work! |
| 06:10.24 | dpkg | wget: (retrieves files from the web), section web, is important. Version: 1.10.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 594 kB, Installed size: 1944 kB |
| 06:10.32 | konfuzed | yeah but uts easy built in to this irc client |
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| 06:11.12 | simpletron | im compiled my kernel using make-kpkg -append-to-version bootsplash binary |
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| 06:11.38 | omi2 | ahh, |
| 06:11.42 | omi2 | no my update script is working |
| 06:11.48 | simpletron | but my kernel-headers*.deb is not complete, i get erros when i try to compile the nvidia drivers |
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| 06:12.04 | omi2 | I installed bunch of vms from sarge forgot to upgrade to testing |
| 06:13.02 | omi2 | sanxiyn, the error message that I gave you happened as the file got FULLY downloaded |
| 06:13.04 | omi2 | strange |
| 06:13.10 | omi2 | (with old wget) |
| 06:13.44 | sanxiyn | omi2: I'm not very familiar with the issue, having no need to handle >2G files. |
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| 06:17.23 | dondelelcaro | omi2: you shouldn't be using wget to update a mirror anyway. Use rsync instead. |
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| 06:21.06 | Azar | that is so cool sanxiyn, it really can mount cdrom? |
| 06:22.20 | xevious | SWEET |
| 06:22.28 | xevious | convinced a girlie to come sleep over |
| 06:23.00 | xevious | here's the smooth line: [00:56] > wanna come sleep over? |
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| 06:24.47 | xevious | byebye |
| 06:25.25 | sifi | is debian SUS ceterfied? |
| 06:26.19 | Duelist | what's SUS? |
| 06:26.25 | Duelist | never heard of it. don't have any idea what that might stand for. |
| 06:26.30 | sifi | Duelist, Single UNIX Specification |
| 06:26.34 | sifi | SUSe |
| 06:26.49 | sifi | get it |
| 06:27.20 | omi2 | dondelelcaro, I needed to transfer a 3 gig file from one box to another, the issue was that I didn't upgrade my wget so I suspected that my mirror-pull script is brokus |
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| 06:29.48 | sinizzl | hi |
| 06:30.07 | sinizzl | what do i have to type to see all the services? and how can i add/remove them from runlevels ? |
| 06:30.34 | repp | sinizzl: new to unix i take it? |
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| 06:30.52 | sinizzl | repp, kinda, yes |
| 06:30.57 | sinizzl | i want the ssh daemon to stop |
| 06:31.03 | sinizzl | and some other daemons as well... |
| 06:31.32 | jm_ | !tell sinizzl -about services |
| 06:31.45 | Duelist | sifi: probably not. |
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| 06:32.07 | Azar | hmm I am not able to mount the cdrom with gkrellm |
| 06:32.59 | delltony | hi have a question about partioning. i have windows on one partition and kubuntu on another i have 46 gig allocated to linux which i use the most but i need a little more space for windows abut another 10 gig so how can i resize the partition for linux so i can give to windows? I am trying to use gparted but for some reason the resize is grayed out. |
| 06:33.28 | repp | sinizzl: /etc/init.d/ssh stop |
| 06:34.00 | jm_ | there's no need to do that for ssh, instead read through the ssh init script to find ou thow to easily disable it, then again, dpkg-reconfigure ssh asks about that too |
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| 06:34.37 | ke6isf | delltony: ask in #ubuntu? |
| 06:34.49 | delltony | oh sorry just noticed i wasn't in there :( |
| 06:35.05 | repp | It makes a difference if sinizzl just wants to stop it now or if he wants to disable the service. I'm not sure which is the case here... |
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| 06:35.53 | ke6isf | sinizzl: What version of Debian are you running? |
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| 06:37.20 | jgould | How do I list all of the packages taht I have installed ATM? |
| 06:37.24 | ke6isf | Effective, yet inefficient. I actually had to stick another dollar into the dryer. =O.o= |
| 06:37.37 | jgould | ah |
| 06:37.47 | repp | jgould: dpkg -l |
| 06:38.02 | ke6isf | !list all packages |
| 06:38.02 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Great for backups. |
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| 06:39.33 | repp | any chance we'll get a flag on dpkg to disable truncation of package names? That COLUMNS hack kinda bugs me every time. |
| 06:39.45 | sifi | does anyone know where I can view a list for SUS ceterfied OS:s and with a good ELP? |
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| 06:40.33 | Dark_Oppressor | I just installed debian using the netinst cd, everything went fine until i had completed the install and booted into debian. once the login screen came up, the screen flashed a couple times and then told me that the x server thing couldnt be started |
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| 06:40.51 | Azar | what fs could be for a music album CD? |
| 06:41.13 | sifi | Dark_Oppressor, is xfree86 configured correctly |
| 06:41.15 | Azar | iso9660 does not work |
| 06:41.24 | Dark_Oppressor | sifi: i have no idea, how would i go about figuring that out? |
| 06:41.44 | scarynetworkguy | Azar: It doesn't have one. Go read the FAQ. |
| 06:41.50 | sifi | Dark_Oppressor, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:42.02 | Dark_Oppressor | alright thanks, ill go try that |
| 06:42.06 | repp | Dark_Oppressor: you are either running xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg. |
| 06:42.13 | sifi | Dark_Oppressor, thats for doing the config |
| 06:42.13 | Dark_Oppressor | ok |
| 06:42.20 | repp | hmm nm that, must be xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:42.21 | gravity | Dark_Oppressor: You should check the /var/log/XFree86.0.log to find out why it didn't work also. That might help. |
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| 06:42.32 | Dark_Oppressor | k |
| 06:42.39 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: Yeah. But what do you know about X? :P |
| 06:42.41 | sifi | Dark_Oppressor, just leave the defalut answer if you're unsure |
| 06:42.44 | Azar | scarynetworkguy I am reading from Debian manual online The -t option specifies the type of the filesystem, in this case iso9660. Most CDs are iso9660. |
| 06:42.49 | gravity | scarynetworkguy: Not enough :-\ |
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| 06:43.01 | scarynetworkguy | Azar: Go read the FAQ. |
| 06:43.08 | Paivakil | Azar: want to play music CDs? |
| 06:43.08 | Azar | what FAQ? |
| 06:43.09 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: Hehe. |
| 06:43.16 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 06:43.19 | scarynetworkguy | !topicsmite Azar |
| 06:43.19 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Azar. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 06:43.22 | repp | Azar: music CDs do not have filesystems. |
| 06:43.23 | Azar | Paivakil, yes |
| 06:43.31 | Azar | uh thanks |
| 06:43.56 | Dark_Oppressor | should i be in root to do this? |
| 06:44.01 | Paivakil | simply point a cd player to your cdrom device |
| 06:44.19 | Azar | because I cannot use mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom it will tell me to specify a filsystem type |
| 06:44.19 | ke6isf | Dark_Oppressor: Well, you could do it without root access, but you're not going to get terribly far. |
| 06:44.28 | Checkers | hi... i can't seem to mount a drive automatically at bootup... can anyone help me? |
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| 06:44.31 | Azar | ah |
| 06:44.46 | Dark_Oppressor | ok thanks, wish me luck xD |
| 06:44.53 | ke6isf | Checkers: man fstab |
| 06:44.57 | Checkers | i've modified my fstab with this |
| 06:45.02 | repp | good luck, also remember that there are text irc programs |
| 06:45.05 | Paivakil | Checkers: harddisk? removable media? |
| 06:45.05 | Checkers | dev/sda1 /home/phui/bigdrive ntfs ro,user,auto,umask=0222 |
| 06:45.14 | Checkers | SATA harddisk |
| 06:45.43 | jgould | any one ever installed Debian on a PowerPC G4 processor? |
| 06:46.05 | ke6isf | Checkers: You need to add a / to that first field, and you don't have your fsck flags in there at all. |
| 06:46.09 | Paivakil | Checkers: see the output of dmsg for errors |
| 06:46.11 | ke6isf | s/flags/options |
| 06:46.12 | Azar | hmm my player list cdrom as empty |
| 06:46.19 | repp | Azar: what player? |
| 06:47.15 | jgould | -YES |
| 06:47.16 | Azar | repp, xmms |
| 06:47.51 | repp | ah, xmms has a really strange way of doing audio CDs |
| 06:47.54 | Checkers | so there's nothing wrong with my syntax? (apart from the /) |
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| 06:48.15 | Paivakil | Azar: install xmms-cdread |
| 06:48.24 | ke6isf | Checkers: You need to tell the fstab when to dump and what pass to go over with fsck (usually 2). Again, 'man fstab'. |
| 06:48.26 | Azar | thanks Paivakil :P |
| 06:48.32 | Checkers | ta |
| 06:49.32 | ke6isf | Checkers: Curious, why are you mounting an ntfs volume? |
| 06:49.54 | Checkers | ke6isf: i'm just wanting to access the other hard drive which has my windows partition on it |
| 06:50.04 | ke6isf | Checkers: Good reason. |
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| 06:51.04 | ke6isf | !tell Checkers -about ntfs |
| 06:51.20 | ke6isf | Checkers: Read up on that factoid dpkg just gave you as well |
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| 06:52.11 | repp | !tell repp -about moo |
| 06:52.21 | ke6isf | !tell repp -about msg the bot |
| 06:52.33 | secher | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.39 | tecky | !tell tecky -about debian |
| 06:52.45 | ke6isf | *le sigh* |
| 06:52.48 | ke6isf | !msg the bot |
| 06:52.48 | dpkg | please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood |
| 06:52.57 | repp | ke6isf: is there a manual somewhere for dpkg? |
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| 06:53.18 | ke6isf | repp: 'man dpkg', or even better, 'info dpkg'. |
| 06:53.21 | tecky | ke6isf: whats the syntax for msging and getting a about ? -about ? blah |
| 06:53.23 | repp | ke6isf: no, the bot |
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| 06:53.47 | ke6isf | tecky: "/msg dpkg foo", where "foo" is the keyword to call your factoid |
| 06:53.58 | tecky | alright |
| 06:53.59 | tecky | thx |
| 06:54.05 | g3brown | Is there a irc command to see when a user was last on this channel? |
| 06:54.14 | ke6isf | repp: Ah, ok. 'help' gives you documentation, and out on the 'net somewhere is the list of factoids. I think stew has it as searchable. |
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| 06:54.54 | repp | ok thanks |
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| 06:55.16 | Azar | hmm the player shows an empty /cdrom |
| 06:55.18 | ke6isf | repp: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ has the nightly dump and archives. |
| 06:55.36 | Azar | is there another player that can play CDs? |
| 06:56.16 | cat | anyone here uses zircon? |
| 06:56.17 | Azar | as user do I have the rights to play CDs even if I belong to group cdrom? |
| 06:56.28 | repp | Azar: only if you belong to cdrom |
| 06:56.33 | gravity | You should |
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| 06:56.41 | repp | ke6isf: thanks, that's going into the bookmarks :) |
| 06:56.43 | Azar | I do, I hae no idea why the /cdrom will be empty |
| 06:56.59 | Actitud | hola... |
| 06:57.06 | Azar | when I click on > play on xmms it shows /cdrom empty |
| 06:57.19 | cat | anyone here uses zircon? |
| 06:57.38 | repp | Azar: what desktop are you running? gnome or kde? |
| 06:57.47 | ke6isf | zAh, here we are. |
| 06:57.50 | Azar | repp, none, just openbox |
| 06:57.51 | ke6isf | !your factoids |
| 06:57.51 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg/ |
| 06:58.02 | ke6isf | repp: Stick that latter link into your bookmarks |
| 06:58.07 | Azar | I can play xm files, but never tried the cdrom before |
| 06:58.11 | repp | will do |
| 06:58.35 | Actitud | parece q nadie habla castellano... |
| 06:58.42 | Azar | !es |
| 06:58.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:58.43 | Actitud | o si ? |
| 06:58.51 | repp | Azar: ok, enable the "AudioCD Reader" plugin and disable the "CD Audio Player" plugin |
| 06:59.00 | Actitud | thanks |
| 06:59.10 | Azar | repp in xmms? |
| 06:59.21 | repp | Azar: there are many other audio programs and many specialized cd players. Peruse the package list for a while and you should find them. |
| 06:59.26 | repp | Azar: yes, in xmms |
| 06:59.28 | Azar | ah yes I did so |
| 07:00.36 | Azar | same, the /cdrom directory shows empty.. no files |
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| 07:01.38 | rage | How does one print out the Debian version from the commandline? |
| 07:01.54 | sifi | rage, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:02.02 | rage | thanks :-) |
| 07:02.12 | sifi | np |
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| 07:02.47 | tecky | is there a easy way of upgrading from 3.1r1 to r2 ? if its out ? |
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| 07:03.03 | sanxiyn | tecky: apt-get upgrade |
| 07:03.09 | tecky | ahrm |
| 07:03.09 | SimonRaven | if you're tracking security updates it's already there |
| 07:03.13 | Azar | tecky, just do aptitude update / upgrade |
| 07:03.16 | tecky | i've been tracking updates |
| 07:03.23 | tecky | using apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 07:03.26 | tecky | so i'm good ? |
| 07:03.46 | sanxiyn | tecky: Yes. |
| 07:03.50 | SimonRaven | that's what we said, right? |
| 07:03.50 | tecky | thank you |
| 07:04.30 | ulph | i tried to add the debian-keyring to the list with 'apt-key add /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg', but this command is taking forever, i.e. more than 20 min, is that right? :) |
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| 07:04.59 | SimonRaven | no. probably out of entropy |
| 07:05.36 | ulph | hm, then it would suspend the process, it's actually doing something |
| 07:05.36 | SimonRaven | what does sudo sysctl kernel/random/entropy_avail say? |
| 07:05.51 | ulph | 3599 |
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| 07:06.14 | SimonRaven | hm ok so it's not that. try again |
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| 07:06.59 | repp | Dark_Oppressor: how's that X going? |
| 07:07.03 | Dark_Oppressor | I configured xfree86 and rebooted but it still didn't work. |
| 07:07.16 | Dark_Oppressor | the log thing says that no screens were found |
| 07:07.21 | SimonRaven | why the reboot? |
| 07:07.21 | repp | right |
| 07:07.38 | repp | first tip: here's an easy way to test X without rebooting: |
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| 07:08.01 | repp | (as root) export DISPLAY=:0.0 ; X ; |
| 07:08.04 | SimonRaven | um, why are rebooting to 'text x' in the first place |
| 07:08.09 | SimonRaven | test* |
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| 07:08.23 | Dark_Oppressor | look idk, im new to linux |
| 07:08.29 | Dark_Oppressor | ok repp |
| 07:08.31 | repp | Dark_Oppressor: then if X works, you have to do "ctrl-alt-backspace" to exit. |
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| 07:08.38 | Dark_Oppressor | got it |
| 07:08.54 | Dark_Oppressor | so wtf does no screens found mean? |
| 07:09.00 | Dark_Oppressor | does it mean moniters? |
| 07:09.09 | sanxiyn | Dark_Oppressor: yes. |
| 07:09.14 | harshal | repp: even clt+alt+del would the same job of restarting x, right? or is it diff. from exporting display? |
| 07:09.15 | repp | Dark_Oppressor: most likey you have a problem with configuring your mouse, or your video adapter. |
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| 07:09.36 | repp | harshal: that is different; we don't want to reboot, we just want to exist the X environment. |
| 07:09.43 | SimonRaven | being new to anything doesn't give you the 'right' to be nasty |
| 07:09.43 | repp | er, exit |
| 07:10.04 | repp | don't go calling people nasty, that's just not needed |
| 07:10.06 | gravity | Not exactly |
| 07:10.06 | harshal | repp: oh sorry! i meant clt+alt+backspace. |
| 07:10.55 | repp | harshal: no, that is differeny from export DISPLAY |
| 07:10.59 | secher | does anyone know offhand in which package the rar utiliy is located? |
| 07:11.02 | marc_in_lux | good morning |
| 07:11.09 | secher | in Deb unstable. |
| 07:11.21 | secher | tried an apt-cache and apt-file to no avail. |
| 07:11.27 | ke6isf | secher: Are you trying to unrar, or compress to rar? |
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| 07:11.33 | harshal | repp: can you elaborate? |
| 07:11.38 | repp | actually, in my example, the export DISPLAY is not needed, usually I do "export DISPLAY=:0.0; X & (sleep 5; xterm)" |
| 07:11.53 | ulph | apt-get install rar? :) |
| 07:11.54 | AqXP | hey, someone help me please, I just put on a new monitor and mouse on my debian machine and now X won't start |
| 07:11.54 | secher | ke6isf: immediately, unrar, ideally though both ways. |
| 07:11.59 | ke6isf | !rar |
| 07:11.59 | dpkg | rar is probably an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about unrar |
| 07:12.06 | marc_in_lux | i have my root on an ext3 partition - pretty much everything else on lvm/raid |
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| 07:12.15 | Dark_Oppressor | AqXP: my X wont start either :D |
| 07:12.18 | darkcmd | will debian run on an SGI 02 |
| 07:12.22 | repp | harshal: X is the actualy graphic control program, it gives you no environment at all, no command line, no desktop, nothing. |
| 07:12.37 | marc_in_lux | I wonder if I can just copy this partition on another drive and make it bootable. As rescue option, sort of... |
| 07:12.47 | secher | ke6isf: Oh, you see how up on things l337 I am. <grin> thanks. |
| 07:12.53 | AqXP | whats the program that autodetects everything on install? |
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| 07:12.55 | ke6isf | secher: Gladly. =^_^= |
| 07:12.56 | marc_in_lux | did anybody try that? |
| 07:13.07 | darkcmd | anyone know if it will? |
| 07:13.08 | harshal | repp: so when i do clt+alt+backspace what exactly happens? |
| 07:13.09 | ke6isf | secher: Package will be unrar (in non-free), or just unrar-free. |
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| 07:13.27 | SimonRaven | darkcmd: mips cpu? yeh |
| 07:13.27 | Zap-W | anyone the difference between the expensive server gigabit NICs and Desktop Gigabit NICs besides the price |
| 07:13.32 | tictac | harshal: your x session goes away. |
| 07:13.37 | darkcmd | what about the hardware in it? |
| 07:13.46 | secher | ulph: Hmm.. do you think perhaps I tried that already? <grin> |
| 07:13.46 | AqXP | When I Ctrl+alt+bksp my computer goes into standby =/ |
| 07:13.50 | ke6isf | Time to get the towels and go to bed. |
| 07:13.51 | repp | harshal: so usually X is wrapped by a few layers of scripts or other control program. ctrl-alt-backspace kills the X session, but if a wrapper program (such as xdm, gdm, or kdm) decides to re-start X, then you get a new GUI login prompt. |
| 07:13.56 | darkcmd | or would you guys just recommend installing IRIX |
| 07:13.56 | sinizzl | can i do a fresh install of debian on to an old partition with an existing dir /blabla w |
| 07:13.58 | repp | harshal: or at least a new attempt at starting X |
| 07:14.01 | ulph | darkcmd: talk to the people in #mipslinux |
| 07:14.02 | tictac | Zap-W: onboard controller chips, for one. |
| 07:14.02 | sinizzl | ? |
| 07:14.08 | SimonRaven | darkcmd: this is kernel territory... user space debian can |
| 07:14.19 | tictac | Zap-W: support for hardware based encryption. |
| 07:14.34 | Dark_Oppressor | so, any idea what i should try now? |
| 07:14.38 | repp | harshal: but in this case *dm has likely given up starting X, so we can run X "naked" and expect ctrl-alt-backspace to return us to the terminal we started it in. |
| 07:14.39 | tictac | Zap-W: and various other nifty things. |
| 07:14.51 | AqXP | When I Ctrl+alt+bksp my computer goes into standby =/ |
| 07:14.54 | Zap-W | tictac: onboard controller chip , that means lower cpu usage? |
| 07:15.01 | tictac | Zap-W: yes. |
| 07:15.10 | repp | AqXP: under linux? |
| 07:15.21 | AqXP | Yeah, debian |
| 07:15.34 | sinizzl | can i install debian on an existing partition with a directory /blabla on it without losing that dir ? |
| 07:15.40 | AqXP | GNOME has been freezing up a lot lately and the only wya to get it to work again has been to restart the system :( |
| 07:16.01 | harshal | repp: so in it would be best if i make some changes in X config file and want to see changes it is good to export display in repp's style than what i do right now of clt+alt+backspace, am i right? |
| 07:16.12 | AqXP | control alt backspace puts it into standby, I press a key and it comes pu again, at th elogin screen...and logging in does nothing, it gives me the frozen crap |
| 07:16.24 | ulph | /etc/apt/trusted.gpg reaches 13M and then well, i'm not sure what it does hm |
| 07:16.31 | SimonRaven | sinizzl: debootstrap. depends what's in that dir though, it might whine, might not, might eat your shorts |
| 07:16.39 | repp | Dark_Oppressor: open up /var/log/XFree86.0.log and look (toward the end) for errors about the mouse or video card. Then we can talk. |
| 07:16.52 | AqXP | I changed my monitor and mouse, the monitor was working just fine but shortly after GNOME froze up again and I had to restart, now I can't start x :(:(:(:(:( |
| 07:16.53 | repp | Dark_Oppressor: also, join #flood, we can work on this a bit more there |
| 07:16.58 | Dark_Oppressor | ok |
| 07:17.11 | Dark_Oppressor | is there a way for em to get into irc on there, so i dont have ot keep booting into windows? |
| 07:17.14 | Dark_Oppressor | me* |
| 07:17.41 | repp | Dark_Oppressor: yes absolutely. we unix hackers have many excellent text-based programs at our disposal, including top-notch irc clients :) |
| 07:17.54 | repp | apt-get install irssi |
| 07:18.00 | Dark_Oppressor | oic cool |
| 07:18.12 | Dark_Oppressor | hey the kernel is 2.4 something, could updating it help? |
| 07:18.38 | repp | perhaps but lets not jump to any conclusions here. could just be a simple matter of fixing the mouse configuration. |
| 07:18.49 | Dark_Oppressor | ok |
| 07:19.02 | Dark_Oppressor | ill go get that log thingy and get on irc from linux and report back |
| 07:19.15 | repp | documentation for irssi is /usr/share/doc/irssi-text (or irssi) |
| 07:19.23 | harshal | Dark_Oppressor: did you try xf86cfg? or there is a dirty way of doing it...... |
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| 07:19.38 | Dark_Oppressor | harshal: no idea what that is |
| 07:19.40 | Dark_Oppressor | so no :D |
| 07:19.46 | repp | Dark_Oppressor: pardon me, zless /usr/share/doc/irssi/manual.txt.gz |
| 07:19.58 | AqXP | so can anyone help? |
| 07:20.13 | repp | AqXP: get a new computer, yours is broken. sucks to be you. |
| 07:20.17 | Dark_Oppressor | repp: ok thanks, ill *hopefully* be on here via linux shortly xD |
| 07:20.18 | AqXP | thanks |
| 07:20.24 | repp | good luck |
| 07:20.28 | SimonRaven | !drxx |
| 07:20.29 | dpkg | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 07:20.35 | AqXP | why is it that whenever I try to come here for hlep I can't get any? |
| 07:20.42 | repp | SimonRaven: already did that |
| 07:20.43 | AqXP | thank you |
| 07:21.02 | repp | erm, nm me, i'm losing track of which conversations are which |
| 07:21.21 | sanxiyn | repp: They are mostly same, so it's fine. |
| 07:21.29 | AqXP | ahh! this is the one I remember, thank you very much |
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| 07:21.45 | sinizzl | where are the *deb files saved which i've got from apt-get ? |
| 07:21.55 | omi2 | how can I make certain modules not loadable? |
| 07:21.57 | SimonRaven | /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 07:22.12 | sinizzl | thx |
| 07:22.27 | omi2 | so hotplug out of its stupidity wouldn't load a useless module or 10 |
| 07:22.58 | Azar | is there a way I can play audio CDs? |
| 07:23.12 | omi2 | xmms |
| 07:23.14 | Azar | xmms does not read the CD content off the cdrom |
| 07:23.26 | harshal | omi2: cdcd |
| 07:23.27 | repp | yes it does |
| 07:23.30 | SimonRaven | you need the cdrom plugin for xmms |
| 07:23.34 | Azar | I installed xmms-cdread, disabled all other plugins, enabled it |
| 07:23.35 | repp | Azar just hasn't figured it out yet |
| 07:23.53 | Azar | is just that /cdrom directory shows ... nothing |
| 07:24.01 | SimonRaven | it wouldn't |
| 07:24.08 | repp | Azar: /cdrom will never show anything for an audio cd |
| 07:24.12 | SimonRaven | you don't mount audio cds |
| 07:24.15 | jm_ | actually it will |
| 07:24.19 | omi2 | 1. configure /mountpoint to be your fstab mount point for cdrom 2. in xmms open /dev/hdc or something |
| 07:24.20 | jm_ | in xmms that is |
| 07:24.21 | Azar | I did not mount |
| 07:24.34 | omi2 | then it will list tracks |
| 07:24.34 | Azar | I just clicked on > play and ... /cdrom empty |
| 07:24.39 | repp | jm_: depending on how the plugin is configured and which plugin you use |
| 07:24.48 | harshal | repp: i guess gnome file manager shows the content of an audio cd, if i am not wrong. forgotten, used it long time back. |
| 07:24.55 | omi2 | or use something like kscd |
| 07:25.13 | Azar | local dir shows /home/azar .cddb/ |
| 07:25.16 | repp | harshal: yeah, and the KDE one does too; that's what I use. I like my kde programs. xmms is annoying to me. |
| 07:25.19 | jm_ | repp: without any special reading plugins, i.e. the default way to play it via cable |
| 07:25.19 | Azar | that means it will not open up for user |
| 07:25.28 | Azar | even though azar is in the cdrom group |
| 07:25.36 | omi2 | I use xmms, I don't like a single kde program to play mp3s |
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| 07:25.48 | repp | omi2: kaffeine? |
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| 07:25.57 | omi2 | the only thing that is anoying about xmms is that it doesn't understand kde's media:/ |
| 07:26.05 | omi2 | repp, shrug |
| 07:26.18 | harshal | omi2: i like to play music in one of my ttys, then shift to x. it goes on playing tracks one after another. |
| 07:26.19 | lunitik | omi2: apt-cache search xmms arts |
| 07:26.20 | omi2 | why would you load up libxine to play an mp3 |
| 07:26.23 | Azar | I would keep xmms for .xm files, what other player can play CDs without the need to have kde or gnome? |
| 07:26.38 | omi2 | sorry no arts |
| 07:26.49 | omi2 | artsd is always removed on my system caused nothing but trouble |
| 07:27.04 | lunitik | omi2: umm... that is kde's media mechanism :/ |
| 07:27.12 | omi2 | it should NOT EXIST!! |
| 07:27.20 | Azar | thinking of one day wanting to use the cdrom to do backups, it does not even play a lousy cd |
| 07:27.26 | repp | i've found that artsd is trouble for package conflicts, but usually real problems are never caused by artsd. |
| 07:27.28 | harshal | hey guys, anyone installs packages here like freebsd way? downloading source and installing, i guess apt-source or something? |
| 07:27.54 | repp | that's kind of how gentoo is right? |
| 07:27.59 | harshal | actually i want to install one system in that way. |
| 07:28.19 | omi2 | lunitik, I was refering to media:/location/ as a kde's VFS layer not multimedia system |
| 07:28.28 | repp | Azar: you need to divide the concepts of a data CD and a music CD in your mind. they are not similar at all. |
| 07:28.29 | omi2 | xmms as far as I know doesn't support that |
| 07:28.31 | SimonRaven | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.41 | harshal | i want to install the debian binary with minimal install, possibly with floopy, then i guess apt-source to rest of the things. |
| 07:28.48 | harshal | had anyone done this? |
| 07:28.54 | SimonRaven | er, why bother |
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| 07:29.18 | AqXP | what mouse port should I use for a USB mouse? |
| 07:29.33 | omi2 | let's say I have a nfs share opened, konqueror likes to create icons for media:/storage/ (which is /nfs/storage) and in kde's open dialogs there is a nice media:/ feature as well |
| 07:29.41 | repp | AqXP: /dev/input/mice (does that work for 2.4? i'm not sure.) |
| 07:29.48 | AqXP | let's find out |
| 07:29.48 | sanxiyn | harshal: Hm, that way you'd need many build dependencies which you won't need. |
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| 07:30.22 | sanxiyn | harshal: You will end up with all kinds of build tools installed. |
| 07:30.29 | harshal | AqXP: it looks like this here. Option "Device" "/dev/usbmouse" |
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| 07:31.08 | AqXP | it's not one of the options in the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xffree86 script |
| 07:31.17 | harshal | sanxiyn: that means freebsd also suffers from the same prob. of having unnecc. build deps. |
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| 07:31.35 | sanxiyn | harshal: Any system doing build locally, yes. |
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| 07:31.50 | sanxiyn | harshal: But it's worse in Debian. |
| 07:31.56 | Azar | so far I could not use the CD on this Debian box but only for installing the system... |
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| 07:32.33 | harshal | sanxiyn: how come its worse in debian that freebsd? what does make good in freebsd than debian? |
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| 07:32.37 | repp | Azar: well try loading a data CD in... |
| 07:32.43 | SimonRaven | !tell DarkOppressor -about root |
| 07:32.51 | sanxiyn | harshal: Because Debian packages enable more options than you do when you compile from source. |
| 07:33.09 | SimonRaven | ircing as root doesn't make you leet, makes you stupid |
| 07:33.21 | repp | DarkOppressor: create a second user, log in using tty2 (or any other tty you like, by pressing alt-fN where N is a number from 1-6) |
| 07:33.28 | repp | and irssi from there |
| 07:33.40 | repp | (adduser to create users) |
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| 07:34.14 | Azar | if I try to open the /dev/cdrom device in xmms it only opens /dev |
| 07:34.15 | Dark_Oppressor | ok |
| 07:34.19 | Dark_Oppressor | am i finally in? |
| 07:34.39 | repp | yup |
| 07:34.41 | Dark_Oppressor | yay |
| 07:34.47 | Dark_Oppressor | it kept saying Cannt send to channel. |
| 07:34.50 | Dark_Oppressor | Cannot* |
| 07:34.53 | Azar | if I open the /cdrom it shows directory empty.. |
| 07:35.03 | Dark_Oppressor | and im not trying to be leet, whoever so nicely pointed that out |
| 07:35.07 | Dark_Oppressor | i dont know wtf im doing |
| 07:35.09 | repp | Dark_Oppressor: let's talk in #flood |
| 07:35.11 | Dark_Oppressor | k |
| 07:35.32 | repp | yeah some people are not very tolerant of new users and seem to have forgotten their own newbie days. |
| 07:36.01 | SimonRaven | Dark_Oppressor: ok. we've seen people do that on purpose... and it's a good idea to run most things as a regular user. |
| 07:36.01 | cat | !kvirc |
| 07:36.02 | dpkg | KVIrc is a full-featured, intuitive Qt-based IRC client with MDI, a powerful scripting language, plugins, and optional suppis alsot for KDE 2.x. Check it out at http://www.kvirc.net/, or also has a shitey UI. |
| 07:36.42 | Azar | hmm it seems xmms will not play cds but only if I have KDE or Gnome |
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| 07:40.26 | lost_and_found | hi |
| 07:40.38 | lost_and_found | I have a weird problem. My CD-ROM drive (LG) keeps ejecting itself. |
| 07:40.52 | lost_and_found | I do not know why this happens. |
| 07:41.00 | lost_and_found | can anyone help me? |
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| 07:41.40 | repp | i've never seen a drive eject itself from a case before. tell me, how far does it go? |
| 07:42.07 | lost_and_found | repp, its the tray that keeps ejecting |
| 07:42.27 | sanxiyn | lost_and_found: Check the vendor support page. |
| 07:43.16 | lost_and_found | sanxiyn, I will try that, but I dont think it will yield any results. |
| 07:43.36 | omi2 | Is there a way to make gcc-4 not installable? |
| 07:43.40 | sanxiyn | constant ejecting, constantly ejecting, etc yields some Google results, without anything obvious though. |
| 07:43.56 | lost_and_found | searching for that term already. |
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| 07:44.51 | lost_and_found | I have this problem in both Win and gnu/linux |
| 07:45.21 | sanxiyn | lost_and_found: Sounds hardware/firmware-ish problem. |
| 07:45.29 | SimonRaven | uh hunh |
| 07:45.56 | lost_and_found | oh no sanxiyn |
| 07:46.05 | lost_and_found | If that is the case I am screwed. |
| 07:49.31 | secher | Ok, despite the flak I"m bound to get over asking about .rar files, I'm wondering if there's another package that'll extract .rar files? I got unrar-free, and when I tell it to extract the root .rar file I get a 'Failed' message. There's no 'verbose' option shown in the man page, so I'm hoping there's an alternative. |
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| 07:50.00 | sanxiyn | secher: unrar-nonfree... |
| 07:50.30 | sanxiyn | secher: Hm, it seems to be renamed(?) to just "unrar". |
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| 07:50.58 | secher | sanxiyn: *sigh* I was hoping to avoid non-free.. Ok, thanks much, that'll do. |
| 07:51.27 | PhoneGuy | secher: what about 7-zip [I think that's what it's called?] I believe that it has support for .rar files. |
| 07:51.43 | debian_pwnz | how stable is etch? |
| 07:51.46 | sanxiyn | PhoneGuy: Yes it does, and *its* RAR code too is non-free. |
| 07:51.58 | sanxiyn | PhoneGuy: See http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/p7zip |
| 07:52.25 | PhoneGuy | sanxiyn: Ah. I've never really looked into the freeness/unfreeness of things like that. I don't have a need to unrar stuff, so I don't have it installed. |
| 07:52.57 | sanxiyn | PhoneGuy: Debian 7zip (command line) is without RAR code. |
| 07:53.16 | PhoneGuy | sanxiyn: Thank you for clarifying that for me. |
| 07:54.10 | secher | Kk.. non-free worked. Thanks sanxiyn. |
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| 07:55.57 | tictac | how could i find which file contains a certain string? |
| 07:56.26 | sanxiyn | grep |
| 07:57.55 | ulph | now apt-file has taken close to an hour |
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| 07:57.58 | AqXP | how could I find out which device is my mouse? |
| 07:58.07 | secher | Oh, great. all I want to do is see this bloody experiment video, and it's coming through in ascii with vlc. am I missing a codec ( is that the term I'm looking for, something which decodes a video? ). |
| 07:58.10 | ulph | apt-key i mean, sorry :) |
| 07:58.12 | ulph | apt-key add /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg |
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| 07:58.22 | sinizzl | hi |
| 07:58.24 | tictac | i know, but i dont want the actual string, i want to filename it's contained in. |
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| 07:58.58 | sinizzl | i want to rebuld my debian system and i have a lot of the *.deb files already downloaded. i wanted to move them to /var/cache/apt/archives so apt-get isntall doesn't have to download the sources anymore. but it does. so what now ? |
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| 07:59.23 | sanxiyn | tictac: grep + some option, I'm sure. |
| 07:59.27 | AqXP | how could I find out which device is my mouse? |
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| 07:59.50 | debian_pwnz | dialup install |
| 07:59.51 | sinizzl | AqXP: it's probably /dev/input/mice |
| 07:59.57 | tictac | AqXP: cat /dev/psaux and move your mouse. if you get output, then thats it. |
| 08:00.12 | tictac | AqXP: if not, try other devices. |
| 08:00.18 | debian_pwnz | d-i |
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| 08:00.20 | debian_pwnz | doh |
| 08:00.29 | AqXP | psaux no such device |
| 08:00.40 | sinizzl | does anyone know how i can get apt-get install to use local debs instead of downloading the same from the internet? |
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| 08:01.12 | AqXP | same for /dev/input/mouse :( |
| 08:01.13 | grumpydog | ould hav |
| 08:01.18 | grumpydog | opps |
| 08:01.20 | jcwong | sinizzl: edit your sources.list file? |
| 08:01.26 | AqXP | titanic: what other devices? |
| 08:01.33 | AqXP | tictac* |
| 08:01.40 | sinizzl | where is that file, jcwong ? |
| 08:01.44 | sanxiyn | AqXP: mice, not mouse. |
| 08:01.45 | valdyn | sinizzl: that is in the debian reference |
| 08:01.51 | AqXP | woops |
| 08:01.54 | tictac | psaux input/mice etc etc |
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| 08:01.59 | sinizzl | i know, please just tell me. i'm sure you know by heart |
| 08:02.01 | jcwong | sinizzl: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:02.04 | sinizzl | thx |
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| 08:02.28 | valdyn | sinizzl: you wont get around reading if you want to have a local repo |
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| 08:02.57 | sinizzl | valdyn: so what is it i have to read exactly ? |
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| 08:03.17 | sinizzl | evolution has given me the ability to read, so i want to make use of it |
| 08:03.17 | jcwong | sinizzl: mei wen te. |
| 08:03.18 | valdyn | sinizzl: debian reference, the part about creating your own repository |
| 08:03.32 | valdyn | sinizzl: or 'man dpkg-scanpackages' |
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| 08:03.39 | AqXP | urgh bloody mx700, time to try a different mouse |
| 08:03.51 | jcwong | why don't install manually with dpkg -i? |
| 08:03.52 | valdyn | !local repository |
| 08:04.06 | valdyn | jcwong: or do what jcwong said |
| 08:04.11 | Shadowpillar | anyone here have an ivtv based tv capture card? |
| 08:04.36 | valdyn | Shadowpillar: i think ivtv is just one video viewer of many |
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| 08:05.14 | Shadowpillar | valdyn: it's a driver for a certain chipset |
| 08:05.29 | Shadowpillar | valdyn: hauppauge wintv PVR based cards |
| 08:05.32 | Shadowpillar | and others like it |
| 08:05.44 | Shadowpillar | pissing me off because I cant find a tv viewer that will work |
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| 08:06.23 | Shadowpillar | as most tv viewers are made for v4l devices and not v4l2 |
| 08:06.56 | Shadowpillar | and mythtv is not a viable option as it's more of an environment to run a media center than a viewer |
| 08:07.56 | Shadowpillar | this is becoming a real pain in the ass, people keep saying "OH BUT IT DOES WORK!" okay, please tell me. |
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| 08:08.33 | Shadowpillar | works how, as in, you can see it and have some interaction with it, or work as in it will work in a viewer no prob |
| 08:08.43 | Shadowpillar | the former is the only thing I've got working |
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| 08:09.24 | AqXP | Cannot open device /dev/psaux |
| 08:09.30 | sobersabre | hello. after a little man reading I am failing to understand how can I query an uninstalled .deb file and see what it depends on. how can I do this ? |
| 08:09.46 | debian_pwnz | how do i make debfoster -a also delete the orphan packages automatically? |
| 08:10.16 | Azar | my /mnt directory is empty, should I just create a file named cdrom there? |
| 08:10.31 | Coke | Ha! sobersabre dpkg -I |
| 08:10.32 | Azar | what is /mnt for ? |
| 08:10.38 | sanxiyn | Azar: For mounting. |
| 08:10.50 | sanxiyn | Azar: In Debian, mount point for CD-ROM is /media/cdrom, I believe. |
| 08:11.10 | Coke | Mine is the classical /cdrom |
| 08:11.14 | Azar | sanxiyn, but I do not have a /media directory, I looked for it |
| 08:11.22 | Coke | Azar: it's probably just /cdrom |
| 08:11.23 | AqXP | what! I always used /dev/hda1 or whatever it is for me |
| 08:11.24 | Coke | in the root |
| 08:11.27 | Azar | I have like Coke, just a /cdrom |
| 08:11.33 | sinizzl | is it possible that some apps, i.e. 3d shooters run equally fast on both gentoo and debian ? |
| 08:11.35 | Coke | yep. classic Debian. |
| 08:11.36 | Azar | ah thanks |
| 08:14.04 | Azar | :) |
| 08:14.04 | debian_pwnz | anyone? |
| 08:14.05 | AqXP | OH! I GOT X WORKIGN! W00T! |
| 08:14.05 | Coke | sinizzl: it's the hardware, not the distribution. in some rare cases gentoo might be faster if you run it compiled for some akward architecture Debian does not support. |
| 08:14.05 | Azar | sanxiyn, I am not able to access /dev/cdrom in user mode, how can I change that? |
| 08:14.05 | AqXP | mmmmm 1024x768 @ 75 Hz |
| 08:14.05 | Coke | sinizzl: but since non-free games are usualy built for 586 anyway it shouldn't be a difference. |
| 08:14.05 | sinizzl | mkay |
| 08:14.05 | liable | Azar: add user to cdrom group.. |
| 08:14.05 | Coke | sinizzl: why would it be a difference depending on distribution anyway? |
| 08:14.05 | Azar | liable, I did that since I installed the system |
| 08:14.06 | Azar | I guess I have been added to most of the groups |
| 08:14.06 | Coke | Azar: /etc/fstab |
| 08:14.06 | Coke | Azar: make sure it allows a user to mount it. |
| 08:14.06 | sinizzl | gentoo runs a lot stuff smoother than debian does |
| 08:14.06 | SimonRaven | because s/he thinks "optimising" the game actually matters |
| 08:14.06 | Coke | Azar: my line looks like this: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 08:14.06 | sinizzl | but i didn't notice any difference in 3d games, i.e. quake3 & et |
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| 08:14.14 | Coke | Azar: that's the new-style Debian cdrom mount-point, you have to use the /cdrom classic or setup a media-directory. |
| 08:14.26 | Azar | Coke: /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 rw, user, noauto, exec 0 0 |
| 08:14.27 | Coke | sinizzl: like what stuff? |
| 08:14.34 | Coke | Azar: don't have exec. |
| 08:14.47 | Azar | ok I will remove exec |
| 08:14.56 | Coke | Azar: make sure your user may read/write to /dev/cdrom as well. |
| 08:15.14 | Azar | rw, right? |
| 08:15.26 | Coke | Azar: yes. do it via group permissions. |
| 08:15.29 | Azar | ah permissions |
| 08:15.32 | sinizzl | Coke: like having 3 gtk-overblown apps open at the same time while having amule running |
| 08:15.34 | Azar | ok |
| 08:16.02 | Coke | sinizzl: are you sure they are identical code-wise? |
| 08:16.26 | Coke | sinizzl: there's also the matter of what WM you are using. |
| 08:17.06 | sinizzl | also the kernel |
| 08:17.32 | Coke | sinizzl: I bet you use the default kernel which is compiled for 386. |
| 08:17.40 | sinizzl | no i don't |
| 08:17.56 | Coke | sinizzl: the ONLY thing that could make gentoo faster is CPU optimization and Debian provides optimized kernels for most archs. |
| 08:18.02 | sinizzl | but i used to boot a "custom game kernel" under gentoo |
| 08:18.11 | Azar | Coke: /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom iso9660 rw, user, noauto 0 0 << is ok? |
| 08:18.11 | Coke | sinizzl: humbug |
| 08:18.32 | sinizzl | why you mean ? |
| 08:18.50 | Coke | sinizzl: there's no such thing as a game specific kernel, but you have to know what drivers to load and what not to include if you want a fast, latent free kernel. |
| 08:19.19 | Coke | sinizzl: I have built my custom kernel to work with real-time audio processing, it is very slender and so far the big drag is the nvidia driver. |
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| 08:20.03 | Coke | sinizzl: gentoo users would have you beleive that there's a noticable difference in speed between their dist and others, but in reality only the kernel really matters as long as everything is 686 or higher. |
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| 08:20.49 | Coke | sinizzl: for a regular work station, that is. high-end servers require some arch optimization for maximum CPU yield. |
| 08:21.11 | Azar | aha |
| 08:21.18 | Azar | so it is indeed a hdc again |
| 08:21.30 | sinizzl | so what's the compile-fuss in gentoo about then ? |
| 08:21.44 | sifi | how can I view the size of a file in the shell? |
| 08:21.50 | dondelelcaro | sifi: stat file; |
| 08:21.51 | Coke | sinizzl: it's called "l337" and it's what some people will put themselves through just to make them look cool. |
| 08:21.58 | streuner | !gentoosmite sinizzl |
| 08:22.20 | sinizzl | hehe |
| 08:22.20 | Coke | sinizzl: Debian users on the other hand prefer stability, security and something that is easy to maintain. |
| 08:22.43 | sinizzl | which way do i pick to get more chicks at school ? |
| 08:22.55 | Coke | sinizzl: sure, your ls or ps may run a couple of instructions less than mine, but in the end it's such a minimal fraction of time that a human could never notice it. |
| 08:23.10 | streuner | sinizzl: just be yourself? |
| 08:23.12 | Coke | sinizzl: no, but at the next Linux convention you, and the other gentoo-users, can brag about your optimizations. |
| 08:23.26 | sifi | dondelelcaro, only the size (1kb) for example, I'm about to use that in a script, is still stat the answer |
| 08:23.32 | Coke | sinizzl: while you guys are compiling your OS we will be using ours. |
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| 08:24.00 | streuner | sinizzl: and see 'Can't buy love' |
| 08:24.00 | sinizzl | Coke: good point :) |
| 08:24.11 | Coke | sinizzl: like I said, the performance gain is MINIMUM |
| 08:24.16 | sinizzl | i could if i had the cash |
| 08:24.17 | Coke | just make sure the kernel is optimized. |
| 08:24.31 | sinizzl | Coke: on a debian system too ? |
| 08:24.34 | Coke | sinizzl: sure. |
| 08:24.36 | dondelelcaro | sifi: stat -c %s foofile; FE. |
| 08:24.36 | sinizzl | i.e. make custom kernel ? |
| 08:24.39 | Coke | sinizzl: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 08:24.57 | Azar | Coke you are using xmms? |
| 08:25.03 | Coke | it will help you build your own kernel from Debian patched sources (including any backports if you're running an older kernel) and make into an installable Debian kernel image package. |
| 08:25.13 | Coke | Azar: occationally. |
| 08:25.28 | Coke | Azar: you wish to play CD music from it? |
| 08:25.29 | sinizzl | are there any "debian-specific" kernel options i should consider while configuring ? |
| 08:25.43 | streuner | no |
| 08:25.44 | sifi | dondelelcaro, FE? |
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| 08:25.46 | Azar | this is the silliest question but when I go in configuration panels, the small diamond buttons for enable/disable is hard to figure out how they should look on "enable" mode |
| 08:25.48 | dondelelcaro | !FE |
| 08:25.50 | dpkg | FE stands for end; dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, eg. 'eg.' |
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| 08:26.01 | sifi | he |
| 08:26.07 | Azar | Coke, is been 3 hours trying to figure out how to play a music CD |
| 08:26.14 | sobersabre | Coke thanks! |
| 08:26.23 | Azar | I read the documentations, faq, but it is hard to figure things out |
| 08:26.36 | Coke | Azar: apt-get install xmms-cdread |
| 08:26.37 | dondelelcaro | sifi: man stat; has the rest of the format codes.... |
| 08:26.37 | Azar | buttons up, or buttons down which is enable/disable? |
| 08:26.42 | Azar | Coke I did |
| 08:26.48 | sobersabre | Azar you 1st need usually to link an audio CD with soundcard. |
| 08:26.49 | Azar | it does not plays CD |
| 08:26.50 | Coke | Azar: down is enabled |
| 08:27.00 | sifi | dondelelcaro, thx man |
| 08:27.02 | Azar | sobersabre, I did |
| 08:27.03 | Coke | Azar: select /dev/hdc (or whatever device you're using) |
| 08:27.12 | Azar | I am playing .xm files with xmms, I cannot play CDs |
| 08:27.19 | Coke | sobersabre: no, not with the cdread plugin |
| 08:27.22 | Coke | ATTENTION! |
| 08:27.30 | sobersabre | Azar can you hear music play via the headphone socket on the CDROM ? |
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| 08:27.43 | Coke | sobersabre: please discontinue your help here. |
| 08:27.54 | dondelelcaro | sifi: np |
| 08:27.58 | Coke | Azar: this has _nothing_ to do with connecting the cdrom to the audio card. |
| 08:28.03 | Azar | failed to open device /dev/cdrom failed to open device /dev/hdc Error: permission denied |
| 08:28.06 | Coke | Azar: disregard sobersabres comments. |
| 08:28.10 | sobersabre | :) |
| 08:28.11 | Coke | Azar: that's the problem. |
| 08:28.14 | sinizzl | harrr |
| 08:28.21 | sinizzl | uruguay |
| 08:28.29 | Coke | sobersabre: sorry man, but there are two different techniques to play cd's. |
| 08:28.40 | Azar | so the permissions for /dev/cdrom are rwxrwxrwx |
| 08:28.43 | Azar | but still |
| 08:28.44 | sobersabre | Coke oh,,,, you mean not 1 ? |
| 08:28.47 | Azar | Permission denied |
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| 08:28.52 | dondelelcaro | Azar: that's just a symlink. You need the permissions on /dev/hdc |
| 08:28.55 | sinizzl | Azar: you have to be in the cdrom group |
| 08:28.58 | Coke | Azar: are you sure your cdrom device used by XMMS is /dev/cdrom? |
| 08:28.59 | dondelelcaro | Azar: most likely you need to be in the cdrom group. |
| 08:29.07 | Azar | I am added to cdrom group |
| 08:29.11 | Coke | Azar: and make sure that /dev/cdrom is not a symlink |
| 08:29.16 | Coke | Azar: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 08:29.16 | dondelelcaro | Azar: what does id; return? |
| 08:29.27 | Azar | the /dev/cdrom --> hdc |
| 08:29.37 | Coke | Azar: then /dev/hdc is the one that should have the permissions. |
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| 08:30.07 | Coke | Azar: changing permissions on symlinks does not change them on the actual file. |
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| 08:30.17 | Azar | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root /dev/cdrom --> hdc |
| 08:30.30 | Coke | Azar: yes, but change the permissions on /DEV/HDC!!!!! |
| 08:30.31 | sobersabre | Azar you need to work on /dev/hdc |
| 08:30.35 | Azar | aha |
| 08:30.38 | Azar | ok |
| 08:30.39 | Coke | I already told you |
| 08:30.46 | Azar | yes Coke I seen up there |
| 08:30.51 | AqXP | ok, after I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86.../etc/X11/XF86Config-4 does not change |
| 08:31.26 | dondelelcaro | Coke: he probably shouldn't be changing them, actually... they should stay as 0664... |
| 08:31.30 | Coke | Azar: it should look like this: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-02-26 07:38 /dev/hdc |
| 08:31.44 | dondelelcaro | (or 0660, depending...) |
| 08:31.45 | Coke | Azar: then add whatever users to your cdrom group |
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| 08:32.16 | sinizzl | wtf is inetd? |
| 08:32.20 | sobersabre | Azar I think the problem is that XSession doesn't catch up with group membership unless forced. |
| 08:32.27 | dondelelcaro | sinizzl: the internet daemon. |
| 08:32.43 | sinizzl | and what does it serve for? |
| 08:32.50 | Coke | sinizzl: it answers incoming TCP and UDP connections and passes that connection on to various internet-connected daemons. |
| 08:32.54 | dondelelcaro | sinizzl: anything that can talk sockets. |
| 08:32.54 | sobersabre | Azar so if you added yourself to the cdrom group, you must logout/login |
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| 08:33.21 | VanDame | hello can help |
| 08:33.25 | VanDame | my php broken |
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| 08:33.38 | sinizzl | i only need that when i have ssh, web, ftp etc. servers running ? |
| 08:33.41 | sobersabre | Azar try running a new terminal. if you run id on it and you don't see yourself in cdrom group, I am correct. |
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| 08:33.52 | streuner | sinizzl: as desktop-user just turn it off |
| 08:34.04 | sobersabre | [under condition you have added yourself already to cdrom group ] |
| 08:34.28 | Coke | sinizzl: don't need it for ssh, it has it's own connection handling. |
| 08:34.28 | Azar | hmm same thing, after chmod ug+x Permission Denied |
| 08:34.35 | Azar | should I exit X and retry? |
| 08:34.36 | AqXP | ok, after I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86.../etc/X11/XF86Config-4 does not change, anyone know why this is? |
| 08:34.48 | liable | !xmd5 |
| 08:34.48 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 08:34.50 | Coke | sinizzl: don't need it for apache either. some FTP daemons still utilize inetd, but most of them have options to run stand-alone. |
| 08:35.00 | Azar | ah |
| 08:35.01 | VanDame | http://84.244.4.160/status.php |
| 08:35.02 | sinizzl | mkay |
| 08:35.07 | VanDame | can help me Sir ?? |
| 08:35.08 | Azar | hmmm interesting |
| 08:35.18 | AqXP | have not changed anything by hand |
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| 08:35.42 | sobersabre | Azar have you added yourself to cdrom already ? |
| 08:35.50 | Coke | VanDame: yes, you have not installed it correctly, did you install from Debian packages? |
| 08:36.14 | Azar | sobersabre I am in the cdrom group for the past 2 weeks |
| 08:36.14 | liable | AqXP: have you used xf86config? |
| 08:36.33 | Coke | Azar: start a terminal and type "groups" |
| 08:36.35 | Azar | adduser Azar group audio, cdrom, irc, games |
| 08:36.56 | sobersabre | Azar and are you logged in as the user from CDROM group ? are you sure you aren't logged in as another user or running a program via sudo or alikes ? |
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| 08:37.18 | Azar | Coke: azar cdrom floppy audio irc video games |
| 08:37.18 | Coke | Azar: start a terminal and type "groups" |
| 08:37.23 | Coke | good. |
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| 08:37.36 | Coke | Azar: ls -l /dev/hdc |
| 08:38.16 | Azar | brwxrwx--- 1 root disk 22, date /dev/hdc |
| 08:38.16 | AqXP | liable: no, I tihnk I tried XFree86 -confiigure though |
| 08:38.23 | sobersabre | hehe. |
| 08:38.28 | AqXP | the md5sums differ |
| 08:38.42 | liable | AqXP: if you have run anything but dpkg, then you need to do the md5sum thing. |
| 08:38.51 | Coke | Azar: you DIDN'T make sure that /dev/hdc group is cdrom |
| 08:39.09 | AqXP | k, the command with the > right? |
| 08:39.20 | Azar | Coke the /dev/cdrom --> points at hdc |
| 08:39.22 | Coke | Azar: if you use the brain-part of your body you'll notice that "disk" is not the same as "cdrom" because the fidgity looking characters are not the same and not in the same order. :) |
| 08:39.34 | liable | AqXP: the last one (md5 one) |
| 08:39.46 | Coke | Azar: as root, do chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc |
| 08:40.06 | AqXP | done |
| 08:40.10 | liable | how do you get a cdrom drive to be in group disks? |
| 08:40.16 | Coke | Azar: what Debian version did you install anyway? |
| 08:40.29 | Coke | I thought that the installer would identify the cdrom and set it up with the correct group. |
| 08:40.30 | liable | woody as always.. |
| 08:40.35 | Azar | Coke I run Sarge |
| 08:40.43 | Coke | Azar: strange, it should do that automatically. |
| 08:40.47 | liable | Azar: but what did you install? |
| 08:40.47 | Azar | I installed woody and upgraded to sarge |
| 08:40.50 | AqXP | liable: now after I run dpkg-reocnfigure, how do I make changed take effect? |
| 08:40.56 | Azar | liable :) sorry |
| 08:41.03 | Azar | Sarge installer did not work |
| 08:41.12 | Coke | Azar: anyway, when you added yourself to the cdrom-group, didn't you ever think "I sure hope that the file I'm trying to access is owned by the cdrom-group" ? |
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| 08:41.35 | liable | AqXP: if you ran the md5sum, then dpkg should save the file ok.. |
| 08:41.46 | Azar | adduser azar cdrom |
| 08:42.00 | Azar | so hmmm I got rights to access cdrom |
| 08:42.03 | AqXP | liable: yeah, that worked, file did change, now hoe do I make the changes take effect in x? it's already started and control alt backspace doesn't kill it |
| 08:42.06 | Azar | thats how the manual said |
| 08:42.10 | sinizzl | are there different binaries for different x86 cpu types ? |
| 08:42.30 | d0uglas | sinizzl: yes, the AMD ones, k7 and smp or something like that |
| 08:42.38 | liable | AqXP: it doesnt? /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 08:42.43 | Azar | ok Coke, I am not able to grasp the concept |
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| 08:42.55 | liable | AqXP: substitute ? with x/g/k/w.. |
| 08:42.55 | sinizzl | d0uglas: it installs 386 binaries by default then ? |
| 08:43.07 | AqXP | !! |
| 08:43.07 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 08:43.12 | Azar | if the cdrom-group owns a file, ok a file |
| 08:43.18 | Azar | and I am added to the group |
| 08:43.20 | AqXP | wow, I'd been looking for the command that did that |
| 08:43.26 | streuner | sinizzl: yes, i386 supports all of them |
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| 08:43.30 | Azar | that means I cannot share? |
| 08:43.32 | sinizzl | !kru |
| 08:43.48 | sinizzl | streuner: can i also download 686-specific binaries ? |
| 08:43.52 | d0uglas | not sure whether its 386 or 686 but if you got the amd xp optimized chip for example you use k7 for slightly improved results |
| 08:44.06 | Azar | at least I am trying to understand how to be able to play a CD in linux.. |
| 08:44.10 | streuner | sinizzl: we are talking about kernels... |
| 08:44.23 | harshal | Azar: install cdcd |
| 08:44.29 | sinizzl | !derb |
| 08:44.33 | streuner | sinizzl: if your CPU supports them, yes. |
| 08:45.08 | Azar | ok harshal, thanks let's see |
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| 08:45.56 | harshal | Azar: or install cdp |
| 08:46.12 | Azar | harshal I installed cdcd and it is not listed |
| 08:46.17 | Azar | in the Sound menu |
| 08:46.32 | Azar | oh |
| 08:46.38 | Azar | I am not using KDE or Gnome |
| 08:46.44 | Azar | so I guess it will not show up |
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| 08:47.26 | Azar | it is so hard to play a CD ? alsa and nvidia was easier to learn and install |
| 08:47.30 | streuner | sinizzl: scroll up and see what 'Coke' told you about... |
| 08:48.03 | harshal | Azar: both cdp and cdcd are CLI based. you can try kde's cd player if you want |
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| 08:48.33 | harshal | Azar: that cd is an andio cd, right? and not data cd with mp3? |
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| 08:50.23 | klim | hi, any ideas why i am keep getting segmentation faults installing sarge on vmware 3/4 of way? |
| 08:50.56 | SimonRaven | #vmware |
| 08:51.04 | klim | ok |
| 08:51.31 | Azar | thank you harshal |
| 08:51.41 | harshal | Azar: did it worked? |
| 08:51.50 | Azar | I guess without KDE or Gnome there is no CD playing capability |
| 08:52.13 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 08:52.15 | liable | bullshit |
| 08:52.22 | harshal | Azar: without KDE and Gnome, i told you already, cdp or cdcd, in command line. |
| 08:52.55 | Azar | ah! ok |
| 08:53.37 | SimonRaven | or xmmss + xmms-cdread, or .... |
| 08:53.41 | SimonRaven | s/ss/s/ |
| 08:54.11 | jm_ | he should just buy decent hardware which has cable connected to his CD-ROM unit and sound card on the other end |
| 08:54.36 | Azar | so how it is playing? I have a cdcd> prompt |
| 08:55.08 | harshal | Azar: i have not used it long time back, cdp is much easier, or simply RTFM! |
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| 08:55.09 | Azar | SimonRaven, xmms tells me I am forbidden to acces /dev/cdrom |
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| 08:55.32 | Radiance | hiya all |
| 08:56.03 | SimonRaven | i got that working in under 2 minutes. took longer to install it on this slow POS |
| 08:56.43 | AqXP | any ideas as to why control alt backspace puts my system into standby? |
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| 08:57.29 | Azar | it is not playing |
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| 08:57.29 | Azar | so I guess that is it. |
| 08:57.37 | harshal | Azar: did you try kde's cd player? does it play in that? |
| 08:57.51 | Radiance | I'm noticing some strange behaviour on a system here, running debian sarge, during the day sometimes a few random applications crash, this can be gnome-panel, gnome-terminal, xchat, metacity, xawtv ... without doing anything weird or so. What could this indicate in general ? Or if some one experienced the same behaviour. Appreciate the input. |
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| 08:58.31 | AqXP | what kind of crashing? just hanging? |
| 08:58.31 | harshal | Azar: check permissions for /dev/cdrom if its not playing anywhere, can you play as a root? |
| 08:58.56 | Azar | I am in root harshal |
| 08:59.03 | Radiance | AqXP, well most of the time i get a small window saying it crashed and if i want to Reload it ... sometimes i see it wants to create debugging info but nothing is created. |
| 08:59.03 | Azar | it does not squeak a sound |
| 08:59.15 | liable | sheesh, even cplay can play cd's (mp3's) |
| 08:59.36 | Azar | hmm that is the issue: I am trying to play a regular CD , not mp3 |
| 08:59.48 | Azar | I do not have mp3s |
| 08:59.57 | harshal | Azar: can you play it in kde's cd player????? |
| 09:00.00 | Coke | Azar: is it playing already? |
| 09:00.11 | Azar | harshal, I do not have kde |
| 09:00.14 | Coke | Azar: have you gotten XMMS working yet? |
| 09:00.18 | Azar | Coke, nope nothing |
| 09:00.22 | Coke | Azar: what is wrong then? |
| 09:00.27 | harshal | Azar: ok, is it playing in gnome's cd player? |
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| 09:00.32 | Azar | Coke I will have to reinstall xmms, I messed it all the settings |
| 09:00.41 | Radiance | AqXP, the question if i want to reload the crashed app (f.e gnome-panel) is always related to gnome (x ?). If it is something like xchat or xawtv then it doesn't give such msg. |
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| 09:00.45 | Azar | harshal I do not have/use kde or gnome |
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| 09:00.59 | Azar | I am only using openbox |
| 09:01.10 | Coke | Azar: what the heck are you doing? it's really simple 1) make sure you have read-permissions of your cdrom device, 2) apt-get install xmms xmms-cdread, 3) listen to music |
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| 09:01.57 | harshal | coke: may be he is not having permissions for 3rd point. |
| 09:02.01 | harshal | ;) |
| 09:02.15 | AqXP | GAH, ok, I did control alt backspace, system went into standby, now theres nothing I can do to log onto GNOME again |
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| 09:02.31 | AqXP | I've restarted the display manager a few times, same shit every time |
| 09:02.35 | Shadow_pillar | cute |
| 09:02.35 | Shadow_pillar | just cute |
| 09:02.36 | jpablo | Coke: not that simple, does his cdrom has analog cdrom support ? (i.e. hi has a cable from his cdrom to his sound card ?) |
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| 09:02.59 | Shadow_pillar | oh well, will be happy when I get it working |
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| 09:03.11 | AqXP | oh my god I don't want to restart this machine again |
| 09:03.12 | Diazepam | guys when i use the command dpkg-reconfigure im recieving a message "dpkg-reconfigure: cannot connect to X server", how can i resolve this - i have googled it for about 40minutes and still no luck |
| 09:03.13 | Shadow_pillar | AqXP: what's the prob now? |
| 09:03.14 | Azar | Coke, xmms will not allow me to play in usermode, no access to /dev/cdrom |
| 09:03.17 | jpablo | Coke: if not, he probably needs the "digital cdrom extraction" or something like that option, that's not the default. |
| 09:03.21 | AqXP | I can't log onto GNOME |
| 09:03.26 | Azar | it seems like the player does not get access |
| 09:03.29 | jpablo | Azar: type chmod 777 /dev/cdrom |
| 09:03.35 | AqXP | I was already logged on...how can I log that out without getting on it? |
| 09:03.36 | Coke | jpablo: that is irrelevant. |
| 09:03.42 | jpablo | Azar: as root in a terminal, that's security risk, but wtf |
| 09:03.44 | Coke | jpablo: step 2) apt-get install xmms XMMS-CDREAD |
| 09:03.56 | Shadow_pillar | AqXP: what happens when you try to? I think I've had this issue |
| 09:04.10 | Coke | Azar: ls -l /dev/hdc |
| 09:04.12 | AqXP | I enter my password, screen seems to change resolution, I get my mouse and a blue background |
| 09:04.14 | AqXP | nothing happens |
| 09:04.21 | Shadow_pillar | okay |
| 09:04.26 | Shadow_pillar | I know what it is |
| 09:04.31 | Shadow_pillar | rm ~/.gnome2/session |
| 09:04.38 | AqXP | this has been happening a lot lately and it's really pissing me off |
| 09:04.40 | Shadow_pillar | then try again |
| 09:04.40 | Shadow_pillar | it should work |
| 09:04.56 | Azar | ok wonderful people, I reinstalled Xmms and now it WORKS! |
| 09:05.09 | Shadow_pillar | the session file gets fucked up and gnome freaks out |
| 09:05.11 | AqXP | I'm logged on as root |
| 09:05.16 | Azar | thank you so much all, Coke harshal, for your patience |
| 09:05.16 | harshal | Azar: now sing the song you are listening! |
| 09:05.20 | Shadow_pillar | .... |
| 09:05.22 | Coke | Azar: don't listen to people like jpablo and whoever else was making up a load a garbage about cable connections |
| 09:05.30 | Shadow_pillar | DO NOT login via root |
| 09:05.36 | Shadow_pillar | bad |
| 09:05.38 | AqXP | cannot remove /root/./gnome/session |
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| 09:05.49 | AqXP | no in shell |
| 09:05.52 | Azar | :) the song is from an old Louisiana mud blues |
| 09:05.59 | Coke | Azar: it's really easy to setup if you use my 1-3 steps. |
| 09:05.59 | Shadow_pillar | ok |
| 09:06.03 | AqXP | I'm not trying to log in as root on gnome |
| 09:06.17 | Shadow_pillar | AqXP: go back as the normal user |
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| 09:06.23 | AqXP | whats the exact path? |
| 09:06.25 | Shadow_pillar | and do that command again |
| 09:06.36 | Shadow_pillar | your user home |
| 09:06.41 | AqXP | k |
| 09:06.45 | Shadow_pillar | ~ is your user home, as root that's the root home |
| 09:07.31 | AqXP | we;;, the home would be /home/aquillar |
| 09:07.31 | Shadow_pillar | UID root: ~ = /root/ UID user: ~ = /home/user/ |
| 09:07.35 | Shadow_pillar | etc |
| 09:07.47 | Shadow_pillar | rm /home/aquillar/.gnome2/session |
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| 09:07.52 | AqXP | and it's saying cannot remove .gnome/session, no such file or directory |
| 09:08.00 | AqXP | ah 2 worked |
| 09:08.02 | Shadow_pillar | well yeah |
| 09:08.12 | Shadow_pillar | because that path doesn't exist, it's .gnome2 |
| 09:08.15 | Shadow_pillar | alright then |
| 09:08.19 | Shadow_pillar | now try logging in |
| 09:08.23 | AqXP | yes lol, how was I supposed ot know it was .gnome2? |
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| 09:08.30 | Shadow_pillar | using gnome 2.10? |
| 09:08.37 | AqXP | fuck if I know lol |
| 09:08.51 | Shadow_pillar | because I said .gnome2 before? |
| 09:08.52 | AqXP | must be |
| 09:09.01 | Shadow_pillar | with debian, it's prolly 2.8 or 2.10 |
| 09:09.04 | AqXP | no you didn't |
| 09:09.07 | Shadow_pillar | 2.10 is buggy |
| 09:09.13 | Shadow_pillar | 2.12 works better |
| 09:09.15 | AqXP | oh wait, you did |
| 09:09.16 | Azar | Coke, hmmm player plays but no sound, alsamixer is set still no sound from speakers |
| 09:09.16 | AqXP | lololol weeeeeeee |
| 09:09.23 | Azar | hmm |
| 09:09.30 | AqXP | not working |
| 09:09.32 | AqXP | same thing |
| 09:09.37 | Shadow_pillar | <Shadow_pillar> I know what it is |
| 09:09.37 | Shadow_pillar | <Shadow_pillar> rm ~/.gnome2/session |
| 09:09.44 | AqXP | yeah, sorry |
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| 09:09.50 | AqXP | didn't work |
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| 09:09.55 | Shadow_pillar | no cpu activity or anything? |
| 09:09.59 | AqXP | nothing |
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| 09:10.40 | Shadow_pillar | something is stopping it |
| 09:10.52 | AqXP | can't even run the remove command now because theere is no such file or directory |
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| 09:11.13 | Shadow_pillar | that's normal |
| 09:11.18 | liable | AqXP: so, log out.. |
| 09:11.21 | AqXP | how. |
| 09:11.25 | AqXP | I can't even log on |
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| 09:11.50 | Coke | Azar: you haven't selected the correct device for playback |
| 09:12.05 | Coke | Azar: if you are using ALSA you need to configure XMMS to either use ALSA, or you can enable OSS emulation and use the OSS output. |
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| 09:13.09 | Coke | Azar: if you want to do it easy, load the OSS emulation driver for ALSA and configure OSS output for XMMS. |
| 09:13.30 | Coke | Azar: if you choose to use ALSA you have to configure which device and possibly subdevice to use for playback. |
| 09:14.06 | Coke | Azar: I, for instance, have two soundcards, one with two subdevices and one with 12 subdevices. |
| 09:14.12 | harshal | Azar: check mixer settings with aumix. |
| 09:14.12 | Coke | and that's just the playback. |
| 09:14.19 | Azar | ah I see |
| 09:14.19 | AoA | Why my /dev/dsp doesnt exist enymore , and what to do to make that exist after system boot , I create that using mknod, but on restart desapear |
| 09:14.35 | Coke | Azar: most importantly, unmute and raise volume for the correct device. |
| 09:15.10 | Azar | so for .xm files I can use alsa and for CD I will use OSS |
| 09:15.33 | Coke | Azar: oh, you can use ALSA. ALSA is better, has more options and better interface to all kinds of sound hardware. |
| 09:15.43 | Coke | Azar: but more complexity also means more difficult to setup. |
| 09:16.29 | Coke | I have a monster ~/.asoundrc for all my playback and capture devices for all those unmixing DSP's. |
| 09:16.57 | Azar | my .xm files are playing ok, the CD now plays I can "see" it but there is no sound |
| 09:17.08 | Coke | Azar: switch to alsa then. |
| 09:17.09 | Azar | back to ALSA |
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| 09:18.22 | Azar | ..no sound.. |
| 09:18.45 | Coke | Azar: What does your CD Audio player plugin config say? |
| 09:18.48 | Coke | what device, etc? |
| 09:19.16 | Coke | if you have it in analog mode it will try to play via the cdrom audio cable. |
| 09:19.40 | Coke | what you want is for XMMS to read the digital data like a ripper would. |
| 09:20.02 | jpablo | Coke: eeek, don't listen to people who say what? |
| 09:20.13 | Azar | Coke: Device: /dev/cdrom Directory: /cdrom/ Play mode: Analog, Digital audi extraction: Volume control: No mixer, CD-ROM drive, OSS mixer |
| 09:20.25 | Coke | Azar: I acnt make jack shit out of that. |
| 09:20.48 | jpablo | Azar: in play mode select digital audio extraction |
| 09:20.50 | Azar | thats what the config for CD Audio player say |
| 09:20.55 | Coke | jpablo: you did not mention it as a setting for the plugin. |
| 09:21.09 | Coke | Azar: I still don't know what it says that shit is unreadable. |
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| 09:21.20 | jpablo | Coke: i was explaining the problem. |
| 09:21.23 | Coke | Azar: nevermind what it says, just configure it as I told you. |
| 09:21.26 | Azar | bingo |
| 09:21.30 | Azar | thanks Coke |
| 09:21.42 | Azar | another challenge fixed :) thanks |
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| 09:22.00 | Coke | jpablo: sorry then, but there was several "you have to connect the audio cable to the soundcard" concepts presented previously and every time it threw Azar off. |
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| 09:22.21 | Azar | jpablo, that nailed it |
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| 09:22.37 | Coke | Azar: you have to learn how to take instructions better, though. :) even though I sent you the proper commands to fix the permissions it took you 30 minutes to comply. |
| 09:22.39 | Azar | Coke, that was the issue: the digital audio extraction |
| 09:22.40 | jpablo | Azar: it is a laptop ? |
| 09:22.59 | Azar | jpablo, no just a brand new PC |
| 09:23.06 | Coke | Azar: yes. if you go with analog you have to do what the others were telling you, connect a cable that sends analog signals directly to the soundcard. |
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| 09:23.30 | Coke | Azar: it is advisable to do that if you will use your cdrom for nothing more than listening to records. |
| 09:23.30 | Azar | I see, yes indeed now I will write all this stuff down |
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| 09:23.35 | Coke | do that. |
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| 09:23.41 | sifi | how can I print out the number of aliases the begin with "s-" ? |
| 09:23.44 | jpablo | Azar: connecting the cdrom cable to the sound card probably would probably make it work better :) |
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| 09:23.50 | Coke | Azar: like I said, switch to analog unless you actualy want to use that audio for something. |
| 09:24.06 | Coke | Azar: I use the digital read-out just so that the visualisation plugins will work. |
| 09:24.37 | Coke | jpablo: yes, I mistook you for someone else earlier, sorry about that. |
| 09:25.01 | Azar | Coke, I like simple life , simple things, I would not go to such lenghts to bother you all but I was trying to learn... I am usually listening to my CDs on a regular player but I need to learn all about using linux |
| 09:25.07 | Coke | jpablo: no, not "better", just with less IO strain on the computer. |
| 09:25.14 | cmdKeen | that reminds me... when I set ALSA in gstreamer-propriets test says it can't create pipeline fo ALSA so I must use OSS wraper... what can cause that ? |
| 09:25.19 | jpablo | and it is very confusing, it looks like it works, but it doesn't |
| 09:27.33 | Azar | jpablo, Coke, to be honest, I installed Sarge, new kernel, X, openbox, browser, irssi, games, xmms for a friend. I take this chance to learn more on his box :) |
| 09:27.36 | Azar | and take notes |
| 09:27.39 | Coke | Azar: open your PC and connect the cdrom to the audio card if you want to have less IO on your computer. For instance, playing games and listening to a CD at the same time will work better. |
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| 09:27.57 | Azar | Coke I have a VIA chipset for audio |
| 09:28.11 | Azar | no sound card... |
| 09:28.23 | Coke | Azar: but if you're like me and use your computer mainly for making music you'll run everything through jackd. :) |
| 09:28.39 | Azar | ah no, is mainly for learning |
| 09:28.46 | Azar | then write notes |
| 09:28.51 | Coke | Azar: sure you have a sound card. that's what's making the noise. |
| 09:28.58 | Azar | hoping I can make some kind of tutorial for new users |
| 09:29.18 | Coke | have you googled for "xmms cd audio" ? |
| 09:29.23 | jpablo | Azar: the sound card is in the motherboard, just look at your board manual, it should say where the plugin for the analog audio input is |
| 09:29.37 | Coke | probably marked as "jumpers" |
| 09:29.41 | Azar | Coke, jpablo: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/configdetails.asp?Base=1273376&Edit=Y&LineGroup=2 |
| 09:29.47 | Coke | or connectors. |
| 09:30.11 | Azar | Integrated Audio |
| 09:30.36 | Coke | yeah, I have one of those two. counting it I have three sound cards. |
| 09:30.40 | Coke | two = too :) |
| 09:30.45 | Azar | but is ok the bottom line was that I had to know how to configure xmms to play any stuff |
| 09:31.30 | Azar | btw, I bothered to ask the dev at xmms, the xmms-cdread has a bug so they say and should not be installed |
| 09:31.34 | Coke | Azar: just be happy you don't have to muck around with ALSA too much, it requires a great deal of reading. :) |
| 09:31.45 | Azar | it is a 3rd party dev and they have no idea how to fix that |
| 09:31.47 | netman1 | Hi All. Is it possible to egrep on a file with a logical and, like "egrep 'word1&word2' *.txt'? |
| 09:31.58 | Coke | Azar: really? hm. then you have yet another reason to switch to analog. |
| 09:32.12 | Azar | Coke, I took my time with ALSA last year, took me 3 months to figure it out |
| 09:32.14 | Coke | I don't use XMMS for playing CD's at all though. |
| 09:32.44 | Coke | but because I want the sound to be processed through my jack rack I do not use the analog cable. |
| 09:32.54 | Azar | personally I am an ambient, fast tracker music fan, I got a collection |
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| 09:33.27 | Coke | Hm. I wonder if there's a mikmod with jack support. |
| 09:33.29 | Arun333 | hello |
| 09:33.37 | Azar | there is |
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| 09:33.46 | Arun333 | can u convert a directory to an iso file |
| 09:33.51 | Coke | Arun333: no. |
| 09:34.04 | Coke | Arun333: but you can create an ISO9660 file based on your filesystem content. |
| 09:34.15 | Coke | which is way smarter than converting them anyway. |
| 09:34.18 | Arun333 | ive got the dump of an installation cd |
| 09:34.28 | Coke | Arun333: apt-get install mkisofs |
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| 09:34.52 | Arun333 | is there anthing for windows |
| 09:35.04 | Coke | Arun333: yes, there are lots of things for Windows. |
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| 09:35.15 | cmdKeen | And if I want make copy of whole disk to another of different size ? |
| 09:35.25 | Arun333 | coke:can u suggest one |
| 09:35.31 | Coke | Arun333: suggest one what? |
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| 09:35.41 | raden | if i used alias to modifly a command do i have to restart somethign for all terminal to recognize it ? |
| 09:35.51 | Arun333 | coke:nevermind...bye |
| 09:36.17 | Coke | cmdKeen: you could copy an exact image and then resize on the new disk. |
| 09:36.40 | cmdKeen | Coke, using which tools ? |
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| 09:36.43 | Coke | cmdKeen: otherwise you'd have to use a backup-program that copies the file structure. |
| 09:36.46 | Coke | cmdKeen: dd |
| 09:36.58 | Coke | cmdKeen: but if you are looking for a way to backup your Debian system there are better ways |
| 09:37.17 | concept10 | raden, no |
| 09:37.37 | cmdKeen | Coke, no, I have old small disk withl linux at fine state and I want that system move to new greater disk. |
| 09:37.40 | Coke | cmdKeen: check out "mondo" |
| 09:37.53 | Coke | cmdKeen: it's the same as a backup. |
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| 09:38.15 | Coke | cmdKeen: backup the old system, select everything, then restore to a system with the new disk. |
| 09:38.20 | rage | I've got an unusual key on my keyboard, it doesnt produce a message "Unknown key pressed" message however gnome keybindings reconise it with some problems, I was wondering if theres a way of sorting out the problems witht his key, maybe assigning it a key code somehow |
| 09:39.03 | cmdKeen | Coke, with mondo ? ok, I'll look at it |
| 09:39.15 | Coke | cmdKeen: if you install both disks you could probably just do a dd and later resize the partition. |
| 09:39.31 | Coke | cmdKeen: resize the filesystem, even. |
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| 09:40.31 | Coke | cmdKeen: boot and root from a third media, like the install CD, then dd from disk A to disk B, resize the filesystem, install the boot loader and then disk B should be bootable. |
| 09:40.39 | Coke | cmdKeen: I have never tried this, it may fail! |
| 09:41.04 | raden | does konsole not recognize aliases |
| 09:41.07 | Coke | (I have only done it with same-size) |
| 09:41.45 | harshal | raden: ~/.bashrc? |
| 09:42.22 | sifi | raden, true, you can source a file throuh ~/.bashrc to |
| 09:42.45 | sifi | s/throuh/through/ |
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| 09:43.02 | raden | how'd i do that |
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| 09:43.19 | raden | i jsut want xterm to be xterm -fg green -bg black |
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| 09:43.27 | sifi | raden, source /file in ~/.bashrc |
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| 09:43.58 | harshal | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.03 | sifi | raden, then set it directly in the file, forget about source |
| 09:44.27 | raden | how can i set it directly in the file ? |
| 09:44.27 | DAaaMan64 | heh is there away to work arround unsigned signatures when using apt. Sometimes I get " |
| 09:44.30 | harshal | raden: it should look like this, modify as per your needs. alias mpirun='/home/harshal/lam/bin/mpirun' |
| 09:44.35 | harshal | alias mpirun='/home/harshal/lam/bin/mpirun' |
| 09:44.37 | sifi | raden, just as it is |
| 09:44.44 | DAaaMan64 | "E: handler silently failed" |
| 09:44.48 | raden | io dont wanna type that everytime |
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| 09:45.06 | sifi | raden, then paste it in ~/.bashrc |
| 09:45.10 | harshal | raden: put that alias command in your ~/.bashrc file |
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| 09:45.28 | sifi | raden, and then you "source ~/.bashrc" |
| 09:45.38 | sifi | raden, to load it |
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| 09:45.59 | harshal | raden: ya. source it. forgot to tell |
| 09:46.11 | sifi | or restart the process |
| 09:46.57 | debian_pwnz | i am trying to install etch with the netboot floppy images. my menu.lst is also correct, but upon using that option in grub upon boot, i get kernel panic saying can't detect root fs, please append correct root=/ thing. i googled a bit and concluded it is a debian installer issue, i maybe wrong. what can i do about this? |
| 09:47.21 | DAaaMan64 | has no one else had the "E: handler siletly failed" error??? |
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| 09:47.52 | harshal | debian_pwnz: are you installing it on MBR? |
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| 09:48.05 | debian_pwnz | you totally misunderstood me |
| 09:48.05 | debian_pwnz | hehe |
| 09:48.11 | sifi | raden, or you could do: perl -pli -e " s|#000000|#00FF00|; s|#FFFFFF|#000000|; if m|stringvalue|" ~/.gconf/apps/gnome-terminal/profiles/Default/%gconf.xml |
| 09:48.16 | cmdKeen | Coke... I have bad experience with command line tools of mass destruction like dd but I will try mondo, it looks fine. |
| 09:49.05 | debian_pwnz | the netboot images sit in /boot/etch/ and i load the kernel and initrd through grub to start the netinstall. upon starting the etch installer kernel for netboot image, i get kernel panic with above mentioned error |
| 09:49.58 | debian_pwnz | it keeps asking me to append a correct root=/. in my menu.lst it says root=/dev/hda1 |
| 09:51.28 | harshal | debian_pwnz: are you sure your / is /dev/hda1? |
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| 09:53.20 | liable | debian_pwnz: root dhould prolly= /dev/rd/0 or somesuch, i think the install guide covers this. |
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| 09:55.24 | liable | debian_pwnz: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s01.html#boot-initrd |
| 09:55.27 | jaime | bom dia pessoal |
| 09:55.41 | jaime | alguém fala português? |
| 09:55.59 | sussudio | !texugo jaime |
| 09:55.59 | dpkg | jaime: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
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| 09:56.12 | jaime | hehehehehe |
| 09:56.20 | sussudio | !pt |
| 09:56.20 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 09:57.45 | KjetilK | One of my systems has a severe performance problem. I've tried tweaking a few parameters, used a different graphics card, several complete memtest86 scans (yes, I know), but it all comes down to that I have no clue where to start... |
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| 09:58.37 | sinizzl | when i want to start the gnome-volume-control it tells me that no mixer device and/or element was found |
| 09:58.51 | KjetilK | if you had a system that was _really_ *slooooow*, what would you do? That system has better spec than the system I'm using now, which is snappy and responsie |
| 09:58.52 | KjetilK | ve |
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| 10:01.19 | Andy0516 | i used to be able to connect to my linux box from 'doze, now i can't - no config has changed but it isn't shown in my network places! any clues? |
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| 10:01.44 | Garda | the gaim-encryption plugin uses the openssl plugin |
| 10:02.05 | harshal | Andy0516: can you ping? |
| 10:02.11 | Andy0516 | yeah |
| 10:02.13 | Garda | is that a problem because of openssl's 4th advertising clause making it incompatible with the gpl |
| 10:02.16 | Andy0516 | hmm seems i can connect now |
| 10:02.24 | Andy0516 | i think samba is just slow starting up! :S |
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| 10:03.09 | Andy0516 | how can i start spam assassin? says it aint running!? |
| 10:03.14 | riid | hi |
| 10:03.23 | Garda | hi riid |
| 10:03.30 | riid | hi garda |
| 10:03.47 | Andy0516 | sorted it :) |
| 10:03.49 | Garda | riid: stop saying hi, or this could go on for a long time |
| 10:03.50 | Garda | lol |
| 10:05.04 | riid | gh |
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| 10:06.39 | liable | why did $deity make ham so tasty?? |
| 10:07.05 | caoilte | hi. can anyone tell me if usb keyring support (ie with the scsi emulation and all that) is generally considered pretty flakey, 'caus it is for me (in 2.6 and 2.4) and if it's 'caus of hardware trouble it works fine in windows still. |
| 10:07.22 | Andy0516 | whats /etc/ and /var/ stand for? (NEWBIE)???? |
| 10:08.11 | harshal | Andy0516: www.tldp.org |
| 10:08.24 | Phated | liable: Only deity can create such divine food, surely. |
| 10:08.26 | liable | caoilte: what is you're definition of flakey? |
| 10:08.26 | harshal | Andy0516: search for SAG |
| 10:08.33 | Garda | , /etc config files. /var stuff that changes like logs |
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| 10:09.10 | liable | Phated: indeed, three fantastic foodtsuffs from one animal? amazing! :) |
| 10:09.20 | Paivakil | Andy0516: also google for the filesystem hierarchy standard or FHS |
| 10:09.26 | Garda | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.27 | Phated | liable: Bacon, ham, and ribs? :D |
| 10:09.44 | liable | oooh, four.. pork! |
| 10:09.48 | caoilte | liable: works fine for small files but try and copy large ones and you get kernel SCSI errors. i've even had a few kernel panics with some usb drives (i thought it was the drives wrong at first). |
| 10:09.56 | Phated | Pork is technically the whole thing, no? |
| 10:10.10 | Phated | But I s'pose pork chops, those count. |
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| 10:10.22 | Azar | :) |
| 10:10.36 | Azar | I am so happy I finished the notes |
| 10:10.41 | Phated | Ah, truly, the noble swine. |
| 10:10.53 | liable | heh :) |
| 10:11.02 | Azar | pork feet in aspic? |
| 10:11.14 | Phated | Stewed trotters in soy sauce. |
| 10:11.54 | Phated | Yum. |
| 10:11.54 | liable | hrm, never tried em. good? of course, they must be! |
| 10:12.11 | Azar | getting slow here, anyone sipping coffee? |
| 10:12.23 | Phated | I have chips, chocolate, and coke. |
| 10:12.32 | Radiance | ccc :) |
| 10:12.33 | Phated | Sour cream and onion, anyone? :) |
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| 10:12.49 | Azar | chocolate vanilla pudding |
| 10:12.49 | PhoneGuy | Phated: /me raises hand. |
| 10:12.59 | Phated | The holy trinity of snacks, aye. |
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| 10:13.19 | Phated | Crunchy, creamy, and caffeinated. |
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| 10:13.33 | Phated | ... dear lord, I get positively lyrical when it comes to food. |
| 10:13.36 | Azar | I was amazed at how many cool games Sarge offers |
| 10:13.44 | Phated | Armagetron! |
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| 10:14.13 | Azar | FreeDroid! |
| 10:14.30 | Phated | FreeDroid? |
| 10:14.41 | Azar | yep I got 8 games from Debian site today |
| 10:14.44 | Azar | all good ones |
| 10:14.49 | Phated | Excellent. |
| 10:14.51 | Phated | which 8? |
| 10:15.27 | Azar | trackballs, Penguin Command, Holotz Castle, Freedroid, Enigma, Pathological, Strategus and Frozen Bubble |
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| 10:15.39 | liable | pong |
| 10:15.41 | Azar | and I will go tomorrow again to look for some more |
| 10:15.52 | Phated | Ah, I -love- Frozen Bubble! |
| 10:16.18 | Azar | by the way, liable, I am a nethack fan, there is a 3D cool nice game for it but unfortunately my Video card freezes on it |
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| 10:16.26 | Azar | 3D engine is not working good |
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| 10:16.38 | Phated | Hrm, Falcon's Eye or something along the line? It's really nice. |
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| 10:17.23 | Azar | egoboo is called |
| 10:17.39 | PhoneGuy | is the nonfree java ok? |
| 10:17.56 | Phated | Ah, egoboo. I prefer Falcon's Eye. |
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| 10:18.15 | Azar | well some games are just "too much" for my hardware and memory |
| 10:18.19 | fireba11 | short ssl question: the only way of getting rid of a "the certificate is not signed by a trusted authority" si to pay for a certificate, right ? |
| 10:18.25 | Azar | I wonder how freedoom could go |
| 10:18.33 | PhoneGuy | I want to use free-java-sdk, but, I'm going to run Compiere....so, I don't know how good it would work. |
| 10:18.46 | liable | fireba11: believe so. |
| 10:18.50 | PhoneGuy | fireba11: AFAIK, correct. I believe there are some "free" certs out there, tho. |
| 10:18.58 | Azar | fireba11, how much do you lean on certificates? |
| 10:19.05 | Azar | I tend to think they are sooo balooney |
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| 10:19.39 | PhoneGuy | fireba11: I do know that as part of my dedicated server package that I pay for each month, a 1 year 128 bit SSL cert was free....and only took about 2 hours to get....so you may want to check with your hosting provider. |
| 10:19.41 | fireba11 | Azar: for my mailserver for pop3/ssl and imap/ssl .. just thought if i could get it singed somewhere users won't get bugged by the message .. |
| 10:20.00 | Azar | ah I see |
| 10:20.41 | Azar | focusing on soon to come IE7.. |
| 10:21.42 | Azar | thank you guys again, and good night (2 am here) |
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| 10:22.53 | asuffield | fireba11: you can sign it yourself and install the CA certificate on all your client workstations |
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| 10:24.16 | fireba11 | asuffield: i know .. but not really usefull if users can use pop/imap from home too .. also thunderbird is the most common mail client for us, there is an option to accept certificate permanently .. and i just found out how to replace defaul localhost certi with one with the correct server name, so it's no big deal .. .only about 25 users anyway |
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| 10:24.41 | Garda | dpkg is telling me winamp is available on linux, is that true |
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| 10:25.07 | liable | its called xmms?? |
| 10:25.29 | xsdg | Garda: ISTR that that's correct, but I've never tried it (and probably won't any time soon) |
| 10:25.40 | Garda | i know about xmms, but i was just confused |
| 10:25.45 | Garda | dpkg: winamp |
| 10:25.45 | dpkg | winamp is, like, a Win32 Audio player, or available for linux |
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| 10:26.02 | Garda | ISTR? |
| 10:26.09 | dondelelcaro | !istr |
| 10:26.09 | dpkg | [istr] I seem to recall/remember |
| 10:26.09 | hammerabi | Garda: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+winamp |
| 10:26.09 | liable | !info winamp |
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| 10:26.41 | zOap | morning dudes |
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| 10:27.06 | Sonny | Hi, cann you help me to connect to my wifi ? |
| 10:27.26 | zOap | Sonny, what card do you have? |
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| 10:28.08 | vortek | liable: just get xmms its like winamp |
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| 10:28.50 | liable | ok, thx.. lol :P |
| 10:29.05 | vortek | or keep searching |
| 10:29.07 | Sonny | zOap: I have an "atheros" in my laptop.... I've already install the drivers and I think the card its owrking ok.... my problem its just to connect |
| 10:29.09 | zOap | liable, or use a much better one, mpg321 |
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| 10:29.28 | liable | err, folks, it wasnt me asking :) |
| 10:29.31 | zOap | Sonny, ok, apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 10:29.41 | vortek | oh |
| 10:29.43 | zOap | liable, sorry:) |
| 10:29.51 | Sonny | zOap: done |
| 10:29.54 | Garda | hehe |
| 10:29.57 | zOap | ok, iwconfig |
| 10:30.17 | Sonny | ok |
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| 10:30.21 | Sonny | done |
| 10:30.27 | liable | Sonny: dpending on you're version of madwifi there is different things to do. what code do you have? |
| 10:30.29 | vortek | Is there a 64bit version of debian ? Or 64bit dual core ? |
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| 10:31.00 | zOap | ok, what does it say? does it find a wifi nic? |
| 10:31.05 | Sonny | liable: yes I have madwifi drivers, how can I know the version? |
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| 10:31.35 | Sonny | zOap: I will execute "iwlist scan" ok? |
| 10:31.43 | jm_ | vortek: of course there is |
| 10:31.58 | zOap | Sonny, ok, and run dhclient or ifup if it works ok |
| 10:32.07 | liable | Sonny: does ifconfig -a show ath0 or wlan0? |
| 10:32.22 | iko | Is it better to give the videocard the ability to allocate a lot of internal memory, or not? |
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| 10:33.02 | Sonny | liable: yes I see an ath0 |
| 10:33.05 | zOap | Sonny, gotta go. but liable is more than capable:) |
| 10:33.19 | Sonny | zOap:Thank you |
| 10:33.22 | vortek | iko: good memory on a vid card is always good |
| 10:33.25 | zOap | np |
| 10:33.27 | liable | Sonny: then the standard iwconfig commands are all you need. |
| 10:33.29 | vortek | iko: especialy for gamming |
| 10:33.33 | AoA | Why my /dev/dsp doesnt exist enymore , and what to do to make that exist after system boot , I create that using mknod, but on restart desapear |
| 10:33.41 | Sonny | liable: whats that? |
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| 10:34.10 | liable | Sonny: man iwconfig .. its the tool for setting up wireless stuffs. |
| 10:34.19 | iko | vortek: I am not talking about the memory available on the video card. I mean the bios settings. |
| 10:34.47 | iko | vortek: I thought it's a cache meant for textures etc. |
| 10:34.53 | Sonny | liable: I'm executing this: iwconfig ath0 essid "mylan" |
| 10:34.55 | fireba11 | iko: you should set a reasonable number there anyway ^^ |
| 10:35.20 | Sonny | but I have no connection |
| 10:35.28 | iko | fireba11: I have 128 MB videomemory, and 1GB of internal memory. |
| 10:35.29 | fireba11 | iko: depens on your video ram and system ram what would make sense ... usually a good number is the amount you have as real video ram |
| 10:35.38 | fireba11 | iko then set 128 or 256 |
| 10:35.44 | Paivakil | AoA: kernel version (unam -r)? alsa vrsion? |
| 10:35.51 | iko | fireba11: but higher is not worse? |
| 10:36.08 | fireba11 | iko: i'm not sure if that number is respected by debian though .. |
| 10:36.10 | Paivakil | s/unam/uname |
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| 10:36.15 | iko | fireba11: assume I have system ram left, even after I raised it. |
| 10:36.21 | liable | Sonny: hrm, you need to read up on basic linux networking I think. |
| 10:36.30 | fireba11 | iko. if you set it too high it could slow things down rather than speeding up, but you usually should be okay |
| 10:36.55 | Sonny | I've already read some, I'm I think it's all I need |
| 10:36.58 | fireba11 | iko: max should be 512 anyway ... |
| 10:37.14 | iko | fireba11: ok, thanks. But I don't think it will help a lot, since I think the game just sucks in performance. |
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| 10:37.30 | AoA | Paivakil : Kernel - 2.6.8-2-k7 , alsa, I dont know, but that node exist while ago ( on reboot), NOW, desapears |
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| 10:37.45 | Sonny | I used to connect before like that... afterwards I did: dhclient atho |
| 10:37.45 | liable | Sonny: ok, post the output from ifconfig, iwconfig and route to a paster. |
| 10:37.58 | fireba11 | iko: depends .. if it uses a lot of big textures it could help a little .. 128 video ram isn't that much anymore |
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| 10:38.17 | Sonny | liable: but it's not working now |
| 10:38.20 | Paivakil | AoA: what did you upgrade recently? |
| 10:38.39 | AoA | Paivakil : I upgraded nothing |
| 10:38.46 | Sonny | liable: how do I do that? I think that we cannot past anything here |
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| 10:38.56 | valdyn | AoA: setup your alsa properly, /msg dpkg alsa |
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| 10:39.08 | valdyn | !alsa |
| 10:39.08 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 10:39.39 | fireba11 | sonny: use #flood or pastebin |
| 10:39.39 | Paivakil | AoA: try running alsaconf |
| 10:39.41 | liable | !tell Sonny about paster |
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| 10:41.27 | AoA | Paivakil : I done that already, and I have sound, XMMS, media players, but some program like Skype dosent have sound |
| 10:43.44 | riid | cya |
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| 10:43.50 | vortek | hey Does any one know if there is a amd 64 port for debian or even dual core 64 bit support? |
| 10:43.54 | Paivakil | AoA: I think you need to install alsa-oss (I am not sure) |
| 10:44.11 | dondelelcaro | !amd64 |
| 10:44.12 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 10:44.14 | Paivakil | vortek: see amd64.debian.net |
| 10:45.06 | vortek | thanxs |
| 10:45.42 | Garda | !amsn |
| 10:45.42 | dpkg | amsn is, like, Alvaro's Messenger (http://amsn.sourceforge.net/), an MSN client. |
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| 10:45.57 | Garda | !man |
| 10:45.57 | dpkg | man is, like, a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>, or http://man.mirrorlynx.com to get online manpages, or mannotincluded.com, or a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/asd/ |
| 10:46.00 | Xavier | hey harshal u thr... |
| 10:46.01 | Garda | !msn |
| 10:46.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, msn is an abreviation for Microsoft Network. A nasty place where either the incredibaly stupid, or incredibably rich like. apparently now being used to mean just the instant messenger service |
| 10:46.26 | Sonny | liable: the problem it's that I'm in my pc now and the problem its with my laptop, how can i paste it... what information do you need? |
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| 10:46.45 | harshal | yes. |
| 10:46.52 | Xavier | whts up dude |
| 10:47.10 | embrik | I tried to compile MPlayer and got this message: Error: PNG support required for GUI compilation, please install libpng and libpng-dev packages. |
| 10:47.17 | harshal | can we comm. privately if its not related to #debian? |
| 10:47.35 | Garda | hey, what's #crack |
| 10:48.14 | embrik | How do I get libpng and libpng-dev? |
| 10:48.42 | Xavier | whts d topic today |
| 10:48.46 | liable | Sonny: i need the information i asked for.. can you try the commands while ath0 is up and then connect with the ethernet nic? |
| 10:48.50 | liable | Xavier: /topic |
| 10:49.26 | Sonny | liable: Ok... I got a cable now I'll connect my laptop and get the information... wait a second please |
| 10:49.38 | Xavier | harshal i just pmed u |
| 10:49.49 | liable | !u |
| 10:49.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:50.05 | liable | hrm reminds me.. |
| 10:50.10 | liable | !seen jim |
| 10:50.11 | dpkg | jim <n=jim@cpe-24-143-144-111.cable.alamedanet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 64d 9h 13m 27s ago, saying: 'and ftp'. |
| 10:50.22 | Xavier | thnx 4 d knowledge |
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| 10:50.49 | Garda | who owns dpkg. i want it to give a chuck norris quote every time you type chuck norris |
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| 10:51.43 | liable | Garda: dondelelcaro owns it, but anyone can input commands, although it is already full of useless crap :) |
| 10:52.14 | Garda | how do you add commands |
| 10:52.29 | liable | Garda: /msg dpkg help |
| 10:52.33 | Xavier | hey my xchat is working fine now |
| 10:52.36 | embrik | I'm trying to install mplayer plugin in firefox, but can't compile the player itself, what do i write in consol to se what kernel, glibc, and Xfree -version I have? |
| 10:52.56 | archie | I caught a strange process on my computer, running as www-data, pretending to be apache, but /proc/pid/exe was /tmp/<random>/exe, and it was trying _very_ hard to connect to some ip, port 80. Anyone knows how to find out what it is, and how to prevent it from coming back? |
| 10:53.02 | liable | embrik: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 10:53.37 | liable | !lupi |
| 10:53.57 | sussudio | !fist Garda |
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| 10:55.55 | liable | archie: google lupii and see if it sounds familiar.. |
| 10:57.00 | Xavier | wht r d other channels provided by freenode |
| 10:57.29 | sussudio | Xavier: /list |
| 10:57.32 | liable | !aolify Xavier |
| 10:57.51 | liable | hrm, not the factoid i thought it was.. |
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| 11:00.58 | Xavier | m still here harshal |
| 11:01.34 | archie | liable: I doubt it's lupii.. |
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| 11:01.47 | archie | Found an executable,which has quite different strings in it. |
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| 11:03.20 | liable | archie: well, untill you can find out what it is, remove the box from the net. |
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| 11:05.57 | Sonny | liable: I got it... remember? |
| 11:06.11 | liable | Sonny: yes |
| 11:07.34 | liable | Sonny: and...? the paste url? |
| 11:07.45 | Sonny | liable: it's pasted in #flood |
| 11:08.16 | Xavier | chck ur mails..... |
| 11:08.33 | Sonny | liable: I just pasted it at the #flood channel, is it not the way to do that? |
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| 11:09.30 | liable | Sonny: well, for starters your essid is wrong or you havent enabled wep or something, secondly you didnt paste the output from route. |
| 11:09.34 | EdLin | !ur |
| 11:09.34 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 11:10.10 | Sonny | liable: yes.. is at the end.... 3 or 4 end lines |
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| 11:11.41 | harshal | nothing |
| 11:12.18 | liable | Sonny: your essid is wrong (or you need to disable wep on the router) and you need to set the default gw |
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| 11:12.41 | Dami | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 11:13.21 | Sonny | liable: WEP is disabled on my router and the essid it's GAF_WLAN |
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| 11:15.01 | liable | Sonny: whats iwlist scanning say? |
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| 11:15.33 | liable | Sonny: the mac add for the wap doesnt show, so something isnt right.. |
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| 11:16.21 | SevenIsPrime | Hi! |
| 11:16.32 | saintiss | hi |
| 11:16.34 | saintiss | I'm trying to rebuild a kernel package, bu just doing ./debian/rules binary. However, it soon bails out with: |
| 11:16.38 | saintiss | touch: cannot touch `debian/stamps/source': No such file or directory |
| 11:16.39 | liable | Sonny: you sure encryption is off? wep and wpa? |
| 11:16.43 | saintiss | why would that be? |
| 11:16.46 | SevenIsPrime | I have odd problems with Xorg 6.8.2 and a X300 Mobility GPU. |
| 11:17.26 | SevenIsPrime | When I use the "ati" driver (not closed source), it freezes my machine *after* starting up X fine, but in that grey screen before the window manager starts up. |
| 11:17.40 | SevenIsPrime | When I use "vesa" driver, it works fine (but slow of course) |
| 11:18.06 | SevenIsPrime | Is anybody aware of a bug in the ATI driver(s)? |
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| 11:18.26 | allgo | SevenIsPrime, i'm using the radeon driver |
| 11:18.27 | Sonny | liable: iwlist say: ESSID: " " |
| 11:18.42 | allgo | SevenIsPrime, don't know if there's a defference |
| 11:18.46 | SevenIsPrime | allgo: I tried "radeon", but it gives the same result. |
| 11:18.46 | launchy | god damn this is so slow to load a webpage on debian compared to windows, WHY! |
| 11:18.46 | liable | Sonny: is ssid broadcast on? |
| 11:19.01 | SevenIsPrime | allgo: The "funny" thing is, it totally crashes the machine, not just X. |
| 11:19.10 | allgo | SevenIsPrime, are you using the r300 driver? |
| 11:19.15 | Sonny | liable: where do I have to turn it on? |
| 11:19.16 | liable | Sonny: 'iwlist scanning' |
| 11:19.19 | SevenIsPrime | allgo: It has been a while since I have last seen a Linux box go out for lunch. |
| 11:19.27 | liable | Sonny: in the router config. |
| 11:19.35 | SevenIsPrime | allgo: What do you mean, r300? |
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| 11:20.11 | SevenIsPrime | allgo: In the driver section, I put "ati" or "radeon" or "vesa". Only "vesa" works. |
| 11:20.12 | dondelelcaro | launchy: it would help if you would be slgihtly less vague. Which webpage? which browser? which version of that browser? |
| 11:20.18 | Sonny | liable: yes iwlist ath0 scan |
| 11:20.30 | allgo | SevenIsPrime, check these instructions: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/R300 |
| 11:20.39 | allgo | SevenIsPrime, worked for me :) |
| 11:20.44 | SevenIsPrime | allgo: ok, hang on. brb :) |
| 11:21.17 | Sonny | liable: In my router says ESSID=GAF_WLAN, HIDE ESSID=yes, WEP=disabled |
| 11:21.38 | liable | Sonny: hide essid=no |
| 11:21.45 | Sonny | ok |
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| 11:22.04 | b0xy | could somebody tell me which ISO I need to download to do a normal HDD install of Damn Small Linux? ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current |
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| 11:22.19 | Garda | is there a website explaining how to add commands to dpkg |
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| 11:22.30 | liable | b0xy: um, try #damnsmalllinux.. |
| 11:22.30 | EdLin | b0xy: /j #dsl |
| 11:22.45 | EdLin | b0xy: or whatever it is |
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| 11:22.57 | b0xy | it's neither of those |
| 11:23.00 | SevenIsPrime | allgo: umm .. those are AGP instructions. I think my T43 has PCIe ... but I will give it a try. |
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| 11:23.05 | b0xy | I couldn't find it so I checked the next best linux chan |
| 11:23.06 | embrik | I'm trying to install MPlayer plugin from this recipee: http://www.linux-sxs.org/multimedia/mplayermozplug.html. I'm on debian/sarge. Am I doing the right thing now? |
| 11:23.24 | EdLin | b0xy: well, it's certainly not here. Try ##linux for general non-distro questions |
| 11:23.29 | Sonny | liable: yeah! it's ok now... why do I have to leave hide essid=no? |
| 11:23.32 | liable | b0xy: funny, i just joined there... |
| 11:24.14 | liable | Sonny: without wpa it isnt normally a problem.. i dont know.. |
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| 11:24.41 | liable | Sonny: hiding the essid is pointless anyway |
| 11:24.55 | Sonny | liable: Can I use WEP in the future=? |
| 11:25.01 | liable | Sonny: yes |
| 11:25.32 | saintiss | hmm |
| 11:25.43 | saintiss | apparently a file debian/stamps is supposed to be present |
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| 11:25.45 | saintiss | but it is not |
| 11:25.47 | liable | Sonny: you should use g if your card/router support it |
| 11:25.49 | saintiss | is this a bug? |
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| 11:26.23 | Sonny | liable: yes both of them support it, I'm not using G? |
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| 11:27.22 | liable | Sonny: you tell me! (you need wpasupplicant for wpa, i suggest you hit google) |
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| 11:28.19 | Sonny | liable: Ok thank you |
| 11:29.26 | liable | np |
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| 11:30.49 | launchy | im so disapoint of the speed of linux to load a webpage |
| 11:31.02 | dondelelcaro | launchy: it would help if you would be slgihtly less vague. Which webpage? which browser? which version of that browser? |
| 11:31.26 | dondelelcaro | launchy: if you fail to answer again, I'll have to conclude that you're not interested in being helped. |
| 11:31.34 | launchy | each webpage, conqueror, 3.4.0 |
| 11:31.48 | launchy | konqueror* |
| 11:31.55 | dondelelcaro | launchy: it's konqueror, and have you tried firefox yet? |
| 11:31.58 | Garda | dondelelcaro: how do i add things into the dpkg bot |
| 11:32.01 | EdLin | launchy: try a different web browser then |
| 11:32.02 | Garda | is there a website |
| 11:32.04 | dondelelcaro | Garda: /msg dpkg help |
| 11:32.11 | Garda | tried that |
| 11:32.13 | Garda | don't get it |
| 11:32.18 | launchy | firefox or mozilla |
| 11:32.27 | dondelelcaro | Garda: well, then I suggest you hold off trying to add factoids... |
| 11:32.36 | Garda | thanks |
| 11:32.57 | paulswm | launchy: the package is mozilla-firefox |
| 11:33.07 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're in sid) |
| 11:33.13 | liable | paulswm: theres a firefox now :) |
| 11:33.19 | paulswm | Ah |
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| 11:33.48 | paulswm | liable: Not in etch |
| 11:34.14 | liable | paulswm: yet |
| 11:35.15 | paulswm | !prise liable |
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| 11:35.29 | liable | !typosmite paulswm |
| 11:35.37 | paulswm | Heh |
| 11:35.39 | liable | :) |
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| 11:36.33 | liable | launchy: whats in resolv.conf? |
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| 11:39.41 | nlib | hello |
| 11:41.23 | embrik | couldn't install MPlayer Plugin - leaving the channel - enjoy your Christmas vacation |
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| 11:43.57 | launchy | ok listen, ALL gnome apps are perfect i can sign on gaim, but not on kopete wrong password, firefox load a webpage very fastly but not konqueror... i thing kde developer are.... stupid i thing konqueror communicate with a central server to tell which site we visit |
| 11:44.02 | launchy | im sure something can explain that |
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| 11:54.54 | vincent_ | hi |
| 11:55.09 | sifi | vincent_, hello |
| 11:55.12 | liable | hola |
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| 11:55.47 | vincent_ | i have just apt-upgrade and he installed an new kernel ... but i have /boot unmounted. now i have some file in /boot ( wich must be umpty) and dunno what the apt-upgrade did exactly |
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| 11:58.03 | liable | vincent_: um, why was /boot unmounted and if it was, then the upgrade would have failed. |
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| 11:58.36 | nkuttler | liable: why should it fail? |
| 11:59.05 | liable | nkuttler: because the image cant be written to /boot? |
| 11:59.21 | nkuttler | liable: /boot is still a directory, even if nothing is mounted there |
| 11:59.27 | vincent_ | liable: dunno one day someone tol me to keep /boot unmount it's safer. and upgrade seems good |
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| 11:59.38 | Phated | liable: It CAN be written to boot, it just isn't written to the right partition. |
| 11:59.44 | nkuttler | vincent_: no reason to unmount /boot |
| 11:59.48 | Phated | s/boot/\/boot/ , even. |
| 11:59.56 | nkuttler | vincent_: apt-get remove --purge the image, mount /boot, install it again |
| 11:59.57 | liable | hrm |
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| 12:00.21 | vincent_ | and what do i do with file in the other /boot ? |
| 12:00.22 | Phated | nkuttler: Could just copy whatever was in /boot to somewhere temporarily, mount boot, and move them over. |
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| 12:00.43 | Phated | liable: After all, you still have / on a partition. :) |
| 12:00.46 | nkuttler | Phated: maybe, but the postinst script does some magic to configure the bootloader |
| 12:01.04 | Phated | nkuttler: Doesn't matter, the path is still /boot. |
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| 12:01.30 | Phated | Although a shufti at the bootloader config before a reboot would be wise. |
| 12:01.46 | nkuttler | Phated: if the install created a new grub config and he overwrites it he will only have the new kernel to boot |
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| 12:02.10 | Phated | The install APPENDS it to the current grub config, no? |
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| 12:02.26 | Phated | Hrm, reinstalling that kernel might be safer/ |
| 12:02.27 | nkuttler | Phated: are you sure? i don't know. |
| 12:02.35 | liable | i dont get it. |
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| 12:03.12 | Phated | liable: Say / is /dev/hda2. Say /dev/hda1 is mounted on /boot. If /dev/hda1 is unmounted, a /boot still exists on /dev/hda2. |
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| 12:03.58 | GDVS | I've done something extremely stupid and need a favour :( |
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| 12:04.27 | GDVS | Could kind person possibly email me a stable /bin/bash? |
| 12:05.29 | bbrazil | if you have net access, download the .deb and extract the file |
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| 12:06.51 | liable | vincent_: so, is there a new vmlinuz in /boot? |
| 12:07.18 | bibe | GDVS : if you don't have net access (I think you have, since you mentioned email) you can use the .deb you have in a debian install cd |
| 12:07.24 | GDVS | I don't have a fully working Linux boc at the moment from which to extract the .deb |
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| 12:07.33 | GDVS | It's a remote server |
| 12:07.40 | GDVS | No CD |
| 12:07.53 | GDVS | I have the .Deb but not anywhere I can do something useful with it |
| 12:08.56 | nkuttler | GDVS: can't you just run /usr/bin/tcsh? |
| 12:10.34 | GDVS | I could but I'm trying to keep this as simple as possible. I have an open bash session to the box and daren't screw up by doing anything even more stupid |
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| 12:10.46 | GDVS | A rebuild will cost me $69 |
| 12:11.13 | GDVS | Probably end up having it rebuilt anyway but I can't today |
| 12:11.24 | nkuttler | GDVS: if you have a shell wget the deb, ar x it, install the binary |
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| 12:12.18 | dondelelcaro | does anyone in here ($DEITY FORBID) use webmin on sarge? |
| 12:12.52 | dondelelcaro | (I ask, because if you do, I'd like you to make sure that the DSA patch that I'm preparing doesn't totally break webmin) |
| 12:13.03 | dondelelcaro | (since I don't use that POS) |
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| 12:13.30 | GDVS | nkuttler: I'm so used to using apt I've never looked into the structure of a .deb. I wouldn't knwo how to install one by hand |
| 12:13.46 | nkuttler | GDVS: i just told you |
| 12:14.06 | GDVS | that gives me a file called debian-binary |
| 12:14.23 | Kvant | GDVS, and 2 .tar.gz:s |
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| 12:15.09 | bbrazil | GDVS: so you deleted /bin/bash ? |
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| 12:15.19 | bbrazil | GDVS: but are still using it? |
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| 12:15.36 | Kvant | GDVS, so do: tar xvzf data.tar.gz bin/bash |
| 12:15.54 | cheal | dondelelcaro: I don't really use webmin. if you're just looking for a sarge system and can say what test to do, I have a i386 with kernel 2.6 |
| 12:16.14 | dondelelcaro | cheal: basically, just install it and try to use webmin, and make sure it isn't totally broken. |
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| 12:16.45 | cheal | dondelelcaro: I could do that... |
| 12:16.47 | dondelelcaro | cheal: I'd do it here, but I don't have a sarge system that is behind a firewall (or that I'd let webmin touch) |
| 12:17.15 | dondelelcaro | cheal: ok... give me a bit to build it, and I'll let you know where the packages are |
| 12:17.20 | cheal | dondelelcaro: hehe, it's all safe here, there's a router plugged on my switch :) |
| 12:17.23 | GDVS | bbrazil: Yes. Kvant/nkuttler: Thanks, got it now |
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| 12:17.46 | dondelelcaro | cheal: yeah... I don't actually run any sarge boxes at my house... all of the real sarge machines are in production |
| 12:17.58 | trc | is newnova.org down, or my isp is filtering me? |
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| 12:18.10 | harleyg | hi |
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| 12:18.31 | cheal | dondelelcaro: ok...it's 7:18 AM though, so I may go to sleep pretty soon. sorry if I get back too late |
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| 12:19.16 | harleyg | i have debian installed onto an old computer, and it has 3 scsi harddrives and 3 ide drivers, if debian is installed to an ide drive it find all 3 ide drives, if its installed to an scsi drive it only finds the ide drives... this is pretty hard now i want to buy a new ide drive... will it find it? |
| 12:19.36 | harleyg | if its installed to scsi it only finds scsi drives * |
| 12:19.36 | dondelelcaro | cheal: no worries. |
| 12:20.10 | GDVS | Dammit, apt wants to remove bash whenever I try and do something. Anyone any idea what file I need to edit to stop it doing that? |
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| 12:20.50 | nkuttler | GDVS: what did you do earlier that remove bash? |
| 12:21.03 | GDVS | apt-get remove bash |
| 12:21.10 | GDVS | Didn't realise apt would need it :( |
| 12:21.17 | GDVS | Was trying to remove and reinstall |
| 12:21.24 | nkuttler | GDVS: did you install the new binary? |
| 12:21.27 | GDVS | yes |
| 12:21.29 | Kvant | apt-get install --reinstall bash :P |
| 12:21.46 | GDVS | the new binary works but apt seems to think it's still removing it |
| 12:21.59 | nkuttler | GDVS: try what Kvant says |
| 12:22.11 | Kvant | you need to force it to remove the bash you installed yourself |
| 12:22.14 | trc | can someone check if newnova.org is accessible from h(i,e)(s,r) place? |
| 12:22.31 | goccia | no new but mini :) |
| 12:22.33 | nkuttler | trc: is that some warez site or what? |
| 12:22.36 | GDVS | E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true returned an error code (100) |
| 12:22.36 | GDVS | E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true |
| 12:22.41 | trc | torrent site |
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| 12:23.30 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 12:23.31 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 12:23.36 | dondelelcaro | GDVS: follow the above instructions please... |
| 12:23.38 | Kvant | GDVS, try this: dpkg -i --force-overwrite bash.....deb |
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| 12:24.19 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: why is that command bat ? |
| 12:24.34 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: because bat is a lot easier to type than basic apt-get troubleshooting |
| 12:24.54 | dondelelcaro | (and it gets typed about 30 times a day) |
| 12:25.07 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: of course .. just didn't know the abreviation (did i spell that correctly ?) |
| 12:25.33 | dondelelcaro | fireba11: ah... just /msg dpkg literal bat; and it'll all become clear |
| 12:25.43 | initech | i have a weird problem - I have a new lcd and anti aliasing in X does not seem to be working at all ... with the CRT, it works fine ... |
| 12:25.53 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: ah ... didn't know that either :-) |
| 12:25.53 | launchy | its rare a girl like linux? |
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| 12:26.07 | launchy | who knows a girl using linux |
| 12:26.17 | fireba11 | launchy: depends on your definition of rare i'd say |
| 12:26.24 | launchy | you know one |
| 12:26.26 | nlib | helo |
| 12:26.27 | dondelelcaro | launchy: who cares. That's totally OT here. |
| 12:26.38 | streuner | launchy: google for debian women |
| 12:26.39 | launchy | dondelelcaro caro is for caroline |
| 12:26.42 | launchy | you are a girl |
| 12:26.47 | Kvant | GDVS, or if that doesn't work, try cd to /, and unpack the data.tar.gz, and then retry the install |
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| 12:26.48 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@modemcable045.102-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] by dondelelcaro |
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| 12:26.48 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 12:26.53 | streuner | argh, a troll |
| 12:26.56 | dondelelcaro | right... we're doing well today... |
| 12:26.58 | fireba11 | launchy: lol |
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| 12:27.42 | GDVS | Kvant: You beauty \o/ |
| 12:27.48 | Kvant | :) |
| 12:28.08 | GDVS | Thanks a lot for that, now to see what else the little sods broke. |
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| 12:28.23 | GDVS | Managed to get owned through an out of date web app :( |
| 12:28.38 | GDVS | At least I can trust bash again :) |
| 12:29.55 | asuffield | according to google, 'el caro' is 'the expensive one' - so she's a prostitute |
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| 12:32.10 | goccia | sounds like "where are you my dear" as donde could be "where" and caro "dear" |
| 12:32.29 | asuffield | I liked my version better |
| 12:32.29 | fireba11 | ARGH .. now that box does get the "most stupid hardware ever" award .. it won't boot without monitor cable attached |
| 12:32.43 | fireba11 | and bios is set to "halt on no errors" |
| 12:32.46 | asuffield | fireba11: sounds like a dell |
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| 12:33.24 | jm_ | Firestarter2: you mean "halt on errors"? |
| 12:33.26 | asuffield | "usb keyboards only work if there was a usb keyboard plugged into one specific usb port when the box was powered up" |
| 12:33.27 | jm_ | fireba11 ^^^^^^ |
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| 12:33.53 | jm_ | or halt on all errors |
| 12:34.10 | fireba11 | jm_ err .. i mean don't halt on any error... ^^ |
| 12:34.44 | asuffield | "halt when there aren't any errors" would be a neat feature |
| 12:34.53 | jm_ | yeah ;) |
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| 12:35.49 | fireba11 | asuffield: i suppose such a feature would be able to kill a couple admins .. that search for the error for a while, nitice the option and commit suicide .. you ought to set it as default option when shipping too :-) |
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| 12:36.06 | asuffield | definitely sounds like dell |
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| 12:36.58 | fireba11 | asuffield: surprisingly it's not .. though the bios seems to be buggy ^^ |
| 12:37.41 | fireba11 | from [192.168.12.66] (helo=[192.168.12.66]) by localhost.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ErE4g-0000km-TY for me@mydomain.com; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:37:06 +0100 |
| 12:37.55 | fireba11 | how do i get it do display server name instead of localhost ? that looks stupid |
| 12:38.07 | fireba11 | mailname is set already |
| 12:38.16 | asuffield | your system hostname is probably wrong |
| 12:38.19 | asuffield | try hostname --fqdn |
| 12:38.23 | asuffield | bet it says localhost.localdomain |
| 12:38.36 | fireba11 | true .. how do i change it ? |
| 12:38.48 | asuffield | depends. do you have a static DNS server under your control? |
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| 12:39.03 | asuffield | (this is a bug in the sarge installer) |
| 12:39.08 | fireba11 | no .. |
| 12:39.34 | fireba11 | i got a fqdn routed to my mailserver though mail.mydomainname.com |
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| 12:39.48 | asuffield | then edit /etc/hosts and make the first name on the 127.0.0.1 line your fully-qualified hostname, instead of localhost.localdomain |
| 12:39.58 | asuffield | ie, insert it as the first name in the list |
| 12:40.22 | asuffield | (if you had real DNS, you'd remove your hostname from /etc/hosts entirely and let the DNS server handle it) |
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| 12:40.37 | fireba11 | okay |
| 12:40.40 | fireba11 | will try, thanks |
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| 12:40.53 | asuffield | by default it looks up your hostname in /etc/hosts, where it's been added to the end of the 127.0.0.1 line |
| 12:40.59 | asuffield | which means that the canonical name for your host is localhost.localdomain |
| 12:41.01 | asuffield | which is nonsense |
| 12:41.12 | asuffield | and breaks msgid generation |
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| 12:41.56 | fireba11 | asuffield: noticed that a while ago .. but didn't want to change in productive server without knowing what could break |
| 12:42.31 | fireba11 | now i'm moving from qpopper+uw-imap to courier-imap+courier-pop3 tomorrow and could fix that as well |
| 12:42.52 | asuffield | you just want something like "127.0.0.1 cyclone.suffields.me.uk cyclone localhost.localdomain localhost", that'll fix it as best you can without true DNS |
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| 12:43.26 | fireba11 | asuffield: so all lines there work as alias ? |
| 12:43.32 | initech | anyone have an idea why anti aliasing wouldn't work on an LCD with a DVI cable attached? xdpyinfo shows the RENDER extension is loaded, and also "Screen 0" (my defined screen) shows "sub pixel order Horizontal RGB" (using sarge) ... but no anti aliasing, at least none that I can tell ... |
| 12:43.35 | asuffield | everything in there resolves to 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:43.39 | asuffield | 127.0.0.1 resolves to the first name on the line |
| 12:44.17 | fireba11 | asuffield: okay .. guess i need to restart exim to get it to notice .. |
| 12:44.21 | asuffield | yes |
| 12:44.43 | asuffield | (the canonical name is what you get when you resolve the address that you get when you resolve a name, and your FQDN hostname is the canonical form of /etc/hostname) |
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| 12:45.28 | fireba11 | okay .. i got a testbox for testing on mbox2maildir conversion, so i can play around with that in it too .-) |
| 12:45.38 | fireba11 | ahh .. much better |
| 12:46.20 | fireba11 | and that is an installer bug so i will have to fix it on all boxes where i want a real hostname shown in mail right ? |
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| 12:48.32 | asuffield | pretty much have to fix it on every new sarge installation |
| 12:48.47 | asuffield | either by removing the hostname from that line and letting DNS handle it |
| 12:49.02 | asuffield | or by putting the real fully-qualified hostname in there |
| 12:49.06 | fireba11 | asuffield: okay, thanks a lot .. that was bugging me for a while but didn't know what went wrong in the first place taht made it happen |
| 12:49.36 | harshal | no 7 years. for sure |
| 12:50.26 | fireba11 | *grr* stupid yahoo.com .. they still send me bounces for virus mails ^^ |
| 12:50.31 | fireba11 | why 7 years ? |
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| 12:52.51 | cheal | dondelelcaro: sorry, my brain just sent me a Dead Signal Alarm. see you |
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| 12:53.05 | fireba11 | ^^ |
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| 12:54.27 | dondelelcaro | cheal: no worries. If you aren't totally dead, see rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/webmin/ |
| 12:54.40 | spo0nman | Anyone with advice for RSI ... my finger joints have begun to pain a lot these days. |
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| 12:55.44 | tarzeau | takatumi, Eulex: bubble? |
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| 12:56.10 | Eulex | tarzeau, need to do work :( |
| 12:56.11 | takatumi | tarzeau: just got back, lil later? |
| 12:56.23 | tarzeau | LOL |
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| 12:56.39 | tarzeau | k, 6 hours later |
| 12:57.01 | takatumi | sounds like a plan. ;) |
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| 12:59.14 | tarzeau | someone else play some random levels w/ http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 13:00.13 | HermanDE | spo0nman: stop typing.... |
| 13:00.25 | mutilator | ahhh |
| 13:00.48 | spo0nman | HermanDE: I dont have any other skill. not even a college degree. If i dont code I dont eat. |
| 13:00.51 | HermanDE | spo0nman: Just talk to your compter... This is the 21st century.... |
| 13:01.27 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 13:01.35 | HermanDE | spo0nman: As another thought... Have you tried the handikey? |
| 13:01.36 | spo0nman | HermanDE: speech-writing code is a bit undoable. |
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| 13:02.06 | HermanDE | spo0nman: Yep... But it sounds cool.. |
| 13:02.15 | spo0nman | HermanDE: nah! havernt tried anything yet. just spent the last few hours reading stuff on the net. |
| 13:02.36 | HermanDE | spo0nman: Are you using proper ergonomics? |
| 13:02.50 | fireba11 | saw a cartoon lately where someone created the ultimate OS .. it got dialog boxes like "cancel" - "retry" - "just make the fucking thing work" :-) |
| 13:03.10 | spo0nman | HermanDE: No ... at home i code on a laptop while lying on the bed. is that ergnomic enough? |
| 13:04.01 | HermanDE | spo0nman: Sure... For someone dining in the middle east about 15 centuries ago..... |
| 13:04.04 | spo0nman | HermanDE: I have been recomended the goldstar though. |
| 13:04.31 | HermanDE | spo0nman: Goldstar... As in Lucky Goldstar? |
| 13:04.36 | spo0nman | I tried the wristband for a while ... it just shifted the pain to my elbow. |
| 13:05.22 | HermanDE | fireba11: Kind of funny... I was just thinking how my cheap watch just keeps working... It is digital and should be requiring a reboot every few weeks.... |
| 13:05.28 | HermanDE | fireba11: But it just works.... |
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| 13:05.46 | loca|host | am using rsync to synchronize two remote folders on two servers, using a 1 minute average (cron), am seeking for a better solution to replicate data so i can say i have somehow a clustering solution, i need a realtime replication solution, can u help me ? |
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| 13:06.08 | petemc | !unison |
| 13:06.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unison is a nice tool to synchronise files between two systems, it uses the rsync transferprotocol and can be used over ssh or over socket, apt-get install unison, or at http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
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| 13:06.24 | HermanDE | spo0nman: And the only surefire thing is to stop typing... Everything else will lead to minor shifts.... |
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| 13:06.41 | fireba11 | loca|host: also rsync with 1 minute is no good idea ^^ |
| 13:07.08 | HermanDE | loca|host: How about *IMAGINE THAT* a global file system? |
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| 13:07.43 | HermanDE | loca|host: Or try a mirror using EVLMS (gawd it's early) |
| 13:07.45 | loca|host | HermanDE, it's the ideal solution for a cluster, am seeking how to not to use a gfs |
| 13:08.34 | fireba11 | whay not ? |
| 13:08.55 | HermanDE | loca|host: I guess I don't understand... You want a clustering solution,,,, But not a clustering filesystem.... Hmmmm... |
| 13:08.58 | Rapp | hm, does anyone know when the arts problem in testing is going to be fixed? |
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| 13:09.28 | kspath | cluster as a term gets thrown around a lot |
| 13:09.44 | loca|host | HermanDE, yes without a gfs, a clustering concept somehow |
| 13:09.54 | HermanDE | kspath: Yep like the (*)@%ing cluster that used to be my computer.... |
| 13:10.21 | HermanDE | loca|host: Ok... Is this cluster in the same local network? |
| 13:10.33 | loca|host | yes |
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| 13:11.05 | kspath | I just meant that cluster does gets defined over and over by so many people why must every node have a shared file system of any kind? |
| 13:11.19 | HermanDE | loca|host: Then look at the EVMS.... Imagine Logical Volumes across network links... Then do a raid 1 on that.... |
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| 13:12.13 | loca|host | gonna see that |
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| 13:12.39 | gudi | hi |
| 13:12.57 | gudi | anyone here can help me with my radeon 9200 and bigdesktop ? |
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| 13:13.03 | HermanDE | kspath: Yep.. I was talking to a web developer and he thought a multihome site is always a cluster... I just kept my toe out of that discussion.... |
| 13:13.23 | loca|host | HermanDE, it's a filing system on network ? |
| 13:13.42 | kspath | loca: did you think that maybe one minute is fine? you can push more often and have daemons on master and nodes check every N seconds for changes |
| 13:13.48 | HermanDE | loca|host: Uh.. Sure.... |
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| 13:14.29 | blondie | rar |
| 13:14.35 | llama32 | hi. given vanilla xorg sources, how can i build a debian package? is it a complicated process, or do i just compile and run some scripts or something? i only plan on using it on my own system so i hope i wont have to mess around adding dependancies as much. tutorials? |
| 13:14.39 | HermanDE | loca|host: Or you could try the ufs stuff plus NFS plus raid 1..... Imagine the fun..... |
| 13:14.56 | kspath | loca: how fast does it really need to be? 10 minutes from now will it be an issue that an update took 1 minute 10 seconds? |
| 13:14.57 | jm_ | use Debian's X.org packages instead |
| 13:15.00 | valdyn | llama32: what's wrong with debian's sources? |
| 13:15.51 | HermanDE | loca|host: Do both machines have firewire and within a few feet of each other? |
| 13:17.01 | HermanDE | kspath: Just thinging out loud.... Lots of MP3's plus a laptop that doesn't need to be lost.... :) |
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| 13:18.19 | kspath | HermanDE: if you have an ext USB and/or firewire HD and/or DVD burner you can have dupes of all |
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| 13:18.57 | kspath | HermanDE: I suppose if someone has 2 TB of MP3 though that at some point it gets to be an issue |
| 13:18.59 | HermanDE | kspath: Just creating a firewire link between two systems is pretty neat... Very fast.... |
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| 13:19.30 | HermanDE | kspath: Sure, and you want to protect all 2T.... |
| 13:19.40 | kspath | HermanDE: if it wasnt a laptop I would say that GigEther would work well for you |
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| 13:19.46 | rootnoverify | is it easy to disable a fan from within debian? and how would you do that? |
| 13:20.11 | [TACO] | is there a list where I can find or define what modules load on bootup? |
| 13:20.14 | llama32 | valdyn, jm_: well i know everyone is going to tell me off for this, but because i am on dialup, and i have the sources on CDROM, so it would be faster to compile them myself than download the packages |
| 13:20.23 | HermanDE | kspath: The gig stuff is a bit testy.... |
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| 13:20.34 | HermanDE | kspath: Especially if you try to push it to the extreme.... |
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| 13:21.29 | HermanDE | rootnoverify: Which fan... And why? |
| 13:22.05 | HermanDE | llama32: You are a person who knows how to use bandwidth.... |
| 13:22.10 | ruied | I've updated to debian sid, now I don't have text consoles CTRL+ALT+F1-F6. /etc/inittab is ok. what could be wrong? |
| 13:22.39 | HermanDE | llama32: Next, you need to download all the tools required... Do you have newest X.org? |
| 13:23.10 | stew | ruied: try running getty by hand, and check the bts for getty |
| 13:23.29 | ruied | ok, going to try |
| 13:23.29 | [TACO] | Anyone know where the modules that are to be booted up with the kernel are listed? |
| 13:23.39 | Eulex | hmm, the critical temperature my cpu reports with acpi is 99 C. I knew that Pentium M processors were made to stand high temperatures, but 99C?? |
| 13:23.44 | llama32 | HermanDE: new-ish, or perhaps not, dont really know... 7.0 |
| 13:23.49 | loca|host | HermanDE, no just a lan connexion |
| 13:24.11 | stew | [TACO]: /etc/modules |
| 13:24.13 | rootnoverify | HermanDE: the fans that doesn't do anything usefull, it's a very small fan, blowing at the ground, in a laptop, and it's a little bit broken, and it won't stop making irritating noices |
| 13:24.36 | [TACO] | stew: isn't that what is currently loaded, not whats to be loaded on start up? |
| 13:24.47 | HermanDE | llama32: I've read that the 7.0 supports straight the gnu make system.... download the developer packaging tools.... |
| 13:25.08 | HermanDE | llama32: I only compile my own under duress... But my experience has been very good.... |
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| 13:25.26 | stew | [TACO]: /etc/modules is the list of modules which will be added to the kernel at each boot. 'lsmod' will list the currently loaded modules |
| 13:25.56 | Eulex | would 7.0 install in /usr/X11R7 instead of /usr/X11R6? |
| 13:25.56 | [TACO] | thanks stew you are a savior |
| 13:25.56 | Eulex | then it'd be easy to switch between the two |
| 13:26.04 | ruied | stew I've ran: 'getty 38400 tty2' it hangs, I have to press CTRL+C |
| 13:26.20 | HermanDE | rootnoverify: Depends on the chipset... I remember there was a few chipsets with api's through PROC that allowed you to control things.... |
| 13:26.59 | stew | ruied: while 'getty 38400 tty2' is running, did you try hitting ctrl-alt-f2? |
| 13:27.08 | stew | ruied: or 'chvt 2' |
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| 13:27.46 | Eulex | ruied, you could add & disown at the and, to make it run in the background and don't occupy your term |
| 13:28.35 | Eulex | like getty 38400 tty2 & disown |
| 13:29.12 | stew | ruied: actually have you checked the process list to see if getty is already running on the other ttys? |
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| 13:30.59 | jan2 | Hi, i've setup a hard cpu limit in /etc/security/limits.conf , if the process from a user gets killed, where can i find it in the logs? I have user processes dying but it's not in the logs |
| 13:31.28 | ruied | I've run 'chvt 2' and now I can Access to all consoles with CTRL+ALT+F1-F6! strange! |
| 13:32.19 | ruied | what could be wrong? |
| 13:32.30 | rootnoverify | omg this so frigging irritating me |
| 13:32.55 | ruied | now it works ok, but when I restart the system it will do the same thing |
| 13:33.14 | ruied | hmm |
| 13:33.30 | ruied | it's a keyboard problem... |
| 13:34.00 | ruied | I can do CTRL+ALT+F1-F7 in text mode not in graphical mode... |
| 13:34.00 | stew | ruied: yeah, sounds like possibly a problem with your x keymap |
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| 13:36.02 | ruied | thanks for the help, going to configure X |
| 13:36.05 | stew | ruied: maybe try using xev to see if your ctrl key is mapped to ctrl and your alt key is mapped to meta |
| 13:36.40 | Eulex | ruied, and maybe even check your F keys |
| 13:36.47 | stew | err, i guess in this case its actually looking for alt |
| 13:37.12 | ruied | xev? |
| 13:37.17 | stew | !xev |
| 13:37.17 | dpkg | it has been said that xev is in the xbase-clients package |
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| 13:38.11 | stew | ruied: if you give the xev window the keyboard focus it will drop all the x events it receives to stdout |
| 13:38.36 | stew | ruied: start it, and press and release ctrl and alt and make sure that you actually get ctrl and alt events |
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| 13:38.50 | dragonkh | hello |
| 13:38.50 | stew | ruied: which keymap are you using in x? |
| 13:39.04 | dragonkh | can anyone lend me thier brain fro user mode linux ? |
| 13:39.32 | tarzeau | takatumi, Eulex: we're 4 dragson! |
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| 13:40.02 | neuwald | hi folks |
| 13:40.23 | dragonkh | ola |
| 13:40.30 | neuwald | I have one hp pavilion dv1000 notebook and I'm having some trouble to configure the video to work with 1280x768 resolution |
| 13:41.07 | ruied | stew, I'm using querty with pt_PT layout |
| 13:41.13 | neuwald | If i use vesa driver, I get 1024x768 resolution, but not 1280x768 (widescreen) |
| 13:41.26 | dragonkh | tarzeau: was that for me ? |
| 13:41.28 | ruied | xev doesn't return for CTRL or ALT |
| 13:41.29 | neuwald | and, if i use i810 driver, i get the follow error: |
| 13:41.46 | neuwald | (WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found |
| 13:41.50 | neuwald | when startx |
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| 13:42.04 | tarzeau | dragonkh: no, but join if you want, http://bub-n-bros.sf.net #bub-n-bros |
| 13:42.14 | ruied | maybe it is the keyboard model I have pc104, going to try pc105 |
| 13:42.17 | cast | can someone remind me where to set the ./configure options when im building a .deb from a source tarball? |
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| 13:42.27 | neuwald | here is my XF86Config: |
| 13:42.28 | neuwald | Section "Device" |
| 13:42.28 | neuwald | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.28 | neuwald | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.29 | neuwald | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.29 | neuwald | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:42.50 | neuwald | sorry |
| 13:42.57 | ruied | I'll be back |
| 13:43.07 | jm_ | ruied: those are modifiers, use xkbwatch |
| 13:43.11 | jm_ | doh |
| 13:43.52 | jm_ | cast: it depends on how package is created, try debian/rules |
| 13:44.08 | cast | jm_: thanks :) |
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| 13:44.29 | Deleter | Hello. Is MNG support off in GIMP from Debian testing? |
| 13:44.33 | Deleter | It says Unknown file type. |
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| 13:46.22 | neuwald | there is a software that autodetect video settings? |
| 13:47.12 | Eulex | tarzeau, coming :) |
| 13:47.15 | stew | cast: /msg dpkg mg |
| 13:47.19 | jm_ | neuwald: X server typically asks monitor for supported resolutions using DDC |
| 13:47.25 | stew | cast: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 13:47.27 | tarzeau | Eulex: cool :) |
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| 13:47.58 | paras | hi all.... 3D games like chromnum runs but the display seems to run 1 frame per second in my debian etch machine. anyone plz helo |
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| 13:48.30 | stew | paras: what graphics chipset? which driver? |
| 13:48.55 | paras | stew, nvdia chipset and driver is nv |
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| 13:49.27 | stew | paras: need to use the non-free driver from nvidia, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 13:49.38 | neuwald | jm_ thank u |
| 13:49.44 | paras | stew, thank you |
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| 13:49.46 | jm_ | neuwald: X logfile has details about it |
| 13:49.49 | neuwald | I'm having problem with this driver: |
| 13:49.55 | neuwald | oem: Intel(r)915GM/910ML/915MS Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS |
| 13:50.03 | Eulex | tarzeau, don |
| 13:50.05 | neuwald | and with these mode: |
| 13:50.05 | neuwald | mode: 1280x1024x16m |
| 13:50.08 | jm_ | I feel sorry for you ;) |
| 13:50.18 | Eulex | tarzeau, don't know if I can stand the lag though |
| 13:50.26 | neuwald | I can't make it works... |
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| 13:51.19 | tarzeau | Eulex: your ISP sucks ;) |
| 13:51.29 | Eulex | tarzeau, I know |
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| 13:52.27 | initech | anyone know why anti aliasing would not be working in XFree with a LCD connected via a DVI cable? The CRT works fine; and xdpyinfo show RENDER is loaded and also "Screen 0 (sub-pixel order Horizontal RGB)" - so it is obviously enabled, but not working ... WTF |
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| 13:52.36 | Eulex | tarzeau, it actually does |
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| 13:52.47 | paras | dpkg, how do i install non-free driver for nvdia? |
| 13:52.51 | tarzeau | Eulex: no lag here, server is 100mbit , switzerland |
| 13:53.06 | jm_ | initech: check font config conf file instead |
| 13:53.27 | Eulex | tarzeau, hmm. gonna go see if any of my brothers are d/ling something |
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| 13:53.56 | stew | !tell paras about nvidia one-liner |
| 13:54.39 | initech | jm_: I have a .fonts-conf in my $HOME, but not in /etc/X11 |
| 13:54.58 | Eulex | tarzeau, none of them did, then I tried to ping snow.ethz.ch: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 37.132/185.716/336.333/79.024 ms :( |
| 13:54.58 | jm_ | initech: is this Debian? |
| 13:55.06 | initech | jm_: yes, sarge |
| 13:55.15 | jm_ | initech: the path is /etc/fonts/fonts.conf |
| 13:55.21 | initech | duh |
| 13:55.25 | initech | sorry |
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| 13:55.47 | Deleter | Is MNG support off in GIMP from Debian testing? |
| 13:55.49 | Deleter | It says Unknown file type. |
| 13:55.54 | Eulex | tarzeau, which kinda explains why it does things half a second after I press a key... |
| 13:56.07 | Eulex | Deleter, you may need the animation package |
| 13:56.13 | Deleter | I have it installed |
| 13:56.17 | Deleter | gimp-gap or something |
| 13:56.20 | initech | jm_: what should I be looking for in there? |
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| 13:57.01 | tarzeau | Eulex: ok bad lag. someone's downloading? |
| 13:57.14 | tarzeau | strange... what such a bad ping? |
| 13:57.20 | Eulex | tarzeau, nah, they didn't |
| 13:57.49 | jm_ | initech: well it should be enabled by default, so just sure it's not disabled, dpkg-recnfigure fontconfig asks you about it too |
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| 13:58.42 | jm_ | reconfigure that is |
| 13:59.05 | initech | jm_: well I'll try that ... |
| 13:59.11 | Eulex | tarzeau, will try tracsrouting if I don't get full speed downloading it... |
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| 13:59.26 | Eulex | or rather, in both cases... |
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| 13:59.52 | Shadowcat | Eulex: your bw sucks :P |
| 13:59.55 | Shadowcat | you're using felia |
| 14:00.12 | Eulex | Shadowcat, ya, I'm beginning to feel that now |
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| 14:01.04 | Eulex | hmm, just getting 30k/s to kernel.org |
| 14:01.28 | jan2 | thats why you have to use a mirror |
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| 14:02.00 | Eulex | jan2, well, I usually get around the full speed I can achieve: 60k/s |
| 14:02.07 | fireba11 | mirror, mirror on the wall .. tell me who got the biggest bandwith of them all :-) |
| 14:02.25 | jan2 | Eulex: hm, that speed sucks :-) |
| 14:02.29 | tarzeau | LOL takatumi ;) |
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| 14:02.56 | Eulex | lag seems to originate from the local computers according to traceroute... gonna go yell at my brothers |
| 14:03.08 | fireba11 | Eulex: LOL |
| 14:03.16 | Eulex | jan2, I know |
| 14:03.29 | tarzeau | Eulex: invite him to play also ;) |
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| 14:04.57 | harfooz | hi all. I have a Sarge installation that when in Firefox displays hex codes rather than the language characters. I have installed all the xfonts packages through Synaptic. |
| 14:05.08 | harfooz | Here is a screenshot: http://penguinsolutions.org/screenshots/debianpage.png |
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| 14:05.30 | harfooz | What should I do to get these language characters to display properly? |
| 14:05.42 | peetah | how do i mount a partition with read/write permissions? mount -o rw /mnt/hdc5 doesn't allow me to write to the partition... |
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| 14:05.54 | tarzeau | peetah: fat? |
| 14:06.02 | peetah | ntfs |
| 14:06.02 | Kvant | harfooz, get chinese fonts |
| 14:06.04 | tarzeau | peetah: www.linuks.mine.nu/mount/ the mask bit |
| 14:06.05 | dondelelcaro | harfooz: you need to install appropriate fonts to display japanese, chinese, korean, et al. |
| 14:06.06 | tarzeau | peetah: same shit |
| 14:06.16 | harfooz | (I don't speak these languages, but the hex codes are just ugly) |
| 14:06.17 | `9m4re` | hmm do i need to upgrade to kernel 2.6 on my sarge ? |
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| 14:06.44 | harfooz | dondelelcaro, are these different than the xfonts packages? |
| 14:06.58 | peetah | tarzeau: what does smbfs got todo with it? |
| 14:07.19 | tarzeau | peetah: nothing, i told you check the mask bit of it |
| 14:07.35 | tarzeau | peetah: it's just my cheatsheets, pick the right thing out of it, can't be that hard |
| 14:07.53 | dondelelcaro | harfooz: yes. this is how it looks when you've got it right: http://archimedes.ucr.edu/ss/ss_20051227_6728.png |
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| 14:08.49 | harfooz | dondelelcaro, do you know what the name of those packages are? (I already have all the xfonts packages installed) |
| 14:09.45 | Eulex | *sigh* |
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| 14:10.11 | Eulex | my brother was waiting for a movie embedded in a webpage to load... which he didn't define as "downloading" |
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| 14:10.40 | Eulex | that was causing a 200ms delay, btw |
| 14:10.53 | Eulex | worth noting was that it was a winblows machine too |
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| 14:11.33 | Eulex | wtf? still bad ping? !%#%&! |
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| 14:12.16 | tarzeau | Eulex: heh |
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| 14:12.36 | dondelelcaro | harfooz: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1398 |
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| 14:13.04 | dondelelcaro | harfooz: not all of those are required, that's just what I've got installed. |
| 14:13.07 | Eulex | he's loading a flash movie! ARGHH!! |
| 14:13.13 | harfooz | dondelelcaro, thanks! |
| 14:13.25 | dondelelcaro | Eulex: time to set up tc. |
| 14:13.28 | dondelelcaro | s/tc/ts/ |
| 14:13.34 | Eulex | feels like that router prioritizes his computer before mine |
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| 14:14.06 | paras | i just get this problem after some packages ....*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x0825c180 *** |
| 14:14.23 | exalted | Hi. I can't get sound from video/audio files if i don't kill "esd". Anyone with the same issue or any notes on the issue? Thank you. |
| 14:14.59 | Shadowcat | Eulex: you suck :P |
| 14:15.07 | Shadowcat | Eulex: why don't you just build a router :P |
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| 14:15.49 | Eulex | Shadowcat, been think about it, but haven't had enoigh motivation before |
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| 14:16.32 | Eulex | Shadowcat, hehe |
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| 14:17.41 | harfooz | dondelelcaro, after installing these packages, is a reboot necessary, or can I simply log out and restart X? |
| 14:18.10 | dondelelcaro | harfooz: you should actually just be able to do an xset fp rehash; but restarting X may be easier. |
| 14:18.22 | harfooz | ok, thanks. |
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| 14:19.06 | troyme | in debian,which config file control the behavior of pdflatex??? |
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| 14:23.43 | dondelelcaro | troyme: there are a lot of files that do. What behavoir are you talking about? |
| 14:23.48 | paras | how do i check what are the latest packages installed in my macine? |
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| 14:23.56 | paras | i mean by time |
| 14:24.24 | dondelelcaro | paras: if you're using >= sarge, look at /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/aptitude.log |
| 14:24.54 | troyme | dondelelcaro the behavior of use type1 fonts or truetype fonts?? |
| 14:25.09 | paras | dondelelcaro, thanks :) |
| 14:25.23 | paras | dondelelcaro, can see them |
| 14:25.49 | troyme | for example dvips use the config file lile config.ps |
| 14:26.10 | troyme | but i can find the config file for pdflatex |
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| 14:27.14 | dondelelcaro | troyme: it's /etc/texmf/pdftex... |
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| 14:27.23 | Anyone | Merry Christmas, and a happy new year. |
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| 14:28.02 | Czifi | Hello |
| 14:28.11 | paras | some of my installed packages broke my systemm and getting error as: *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x0825c078 *** |
| 14:28.18 | MikeDub | how can i see which packages I have on my system associated with gnome so that i can apt-get remove them |
| 14:28.25 | paras | can i roll back ? |
| 14:28.30 | Anyone | I have a question, I hope it wont turn out religious or something. I wonder which soundcard to purchase for Debian GNU/Linux. Which one do you recommend? |
| 14:28.50 | Czifi | I'm from Hungary and I want to find help in hungarian |
| 14:28.54 | nkuttler | MikeDub: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
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| 14:29.02 | Anyone | (I just returned a soundblaster audigy, since it was too hard to get working) |
| 14:29.05 | troyme | dondelelcaro I found the directory /etc/texmf/pdftex has nothing in it |
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| 14:29.25 | dondelelcaro | troyme: yes, that's because the default is to not use a configuration file. |
| 14:29.27 | Eulex | paras, tried running memtest86 on the box? |
| 14:29.52 | troyme | dondelelcaro @_@ |
| 14:29.57 | MikeDub | ty |
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| 14:30.23 | paras | Eulex, i got that error only after installing some packges |
| 14:30.31 | paras | Eulex, what do i check from memtest86? |
| 14:30.34 | Oryn | Anyone: did you try with alsa? |
| 14:31.12 | Eulex | paras, oh, sorry, I'm wrong. ignore me. |
| 14:31.14 | Anyone | oryn: Yes, i would need 1.0.11rc2, which is not in unstable, experimental or testing - and this box runs sarge! |
| 14:31.19 | paras | Eulex, ok |
| 14:32.07 | Anyone | Oryn: But I already returned the card, and got the money back. Now I wonder which one to buy instead. ( tarzeau recommended to return the card ). |
| 14:32.24 | Oryn | Anyone: ahh |
| 14:32.26 | paras | i want to degrade packages: cpp-4.0 g++-4.0 gcc-4.0 gcc-4.0-base .. how do i do? possible? |
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| 14:32.33 | tarzeau | Anyone: bt848 or any other bt based one |
| 14:32.57 | Anyone | tarzeau, Hehe .. yeah, orderered hauppage tv-card already .. but now I am wondering about soundcard. :_) |
| 14:32.58 | Oryn | tarzeau: sound card??? |
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| 14:33.57 | tarzeau | ah sound card? |
| 14:34.03 | tarzeau | anyone that just works |
| 14:34.10 | Anyone | f<d¨ |
| 14:34.14 | Anyone | tarzeau, like? :-) |
| 14:34.38 | tarzeau | 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 08) |
| 14:34.40 | tarzeau | i've got that |
| 14:34.48 | Anyone | tarzeau, I was considering sound blaster live, but I don't really know? |
| 14:34.52 | Anyone | tarzeau, Thanks |
| 14:35.01 | tarzeau | i don't know either really |
| 14:35.07 | tarzeau | but those nvidia ones suck |
| 14:35.13 | Anyone | tarzeau, I am assuming that one is integrated on your motherboard? |
| 14:35.19 | tarzeau | intel, and ensoniq ones just work |
| 14:35.23 | tarzeau | yes, at work |
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| 14:36.06 | Anyone | tarzeau, hmm .. the card was ment to replace an es1370, that didn't work. |
| 14:36.16 | Anyone | tarzeau, ecco and noise, afaik. |
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| 14:36.22 | tarzeau | hm strange |
| 14:36.28 | Anyone | tarzeau, I assume the card is broken. |
| 14:36.48 | Oryn | paras: its prob not the correct way to do it, but in cases where I need gcc-3.4 I apt-get install gcc-3.4 cpp-3.4 g++-3.4. in /usr/bin you will find links gcc -> gcc-4.0 cpp -> cpp-4.0 etc I just relink them to the 3.4 counterparts. I have made a script to do this |
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| 14:38.33 | Ketter | I got a customer that has a java webapp (ran with resin) that needs "xsi" formatting, could anybody tell me if that's a part of a xml tool that can be found in a package ? |
| 14:39.00 | Oryn | Anyone: the es1370 is supported for both oss and alsa |
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| 14:39.26 | dondelelcaro | Ketter: xsi? not xslt? |
| 14:39.30 | dondelelcaro | (or xsl?) |
| 14:40.02 | Oryn | Anyone: I have noticed that that chip when present on mainboards is very noisy |
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| 14:40.18 | Anyone | Oryn, ok |
| 14:40.31 | grumpydog | hi there dondelelcaro |
| 14:40.35 | dondelelcaro | grumpydog: hey. |
| 14:40.42 | Oryn | Anyone: we actualy had a customer return a mainboard because of this |
| 14:40.46 | dondelelcaro | Anyone: in those cases, what you should be doing is setting CC and HOSTCC instead. |
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| 14:40.52 | Ketter | dondelelcaro: apparently xsi is an element.. I thought it was xsl aswell. |
| 14:40.56 | dondelelcaro | s/Anyone/Oryn/ |
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| 14:41.04 | Ketter | dondelelcaro: could it be part of xsl/xslt ? |
| 14:41.23 | dondelelcaro | Ketter: could be... I've stayed well away from that whole madness... |
| 14:41.24 | Oryn | dondelelcaro: does that work for g++ and cpp as well? |
| 14:41.24 | Anyone | Oryn, are you able to recommend any soundcard for the debian GNU/Linux? It doesn't have to be very fancy .. he just has 2 speakers with a build in amplifier to listen to the sound. |
| 14:41.38 | grumpydog | Oryn: I own a pc store, what is your problem....sorry I just looked in. |
| 14:41.40 | dondelelcaro | Oryn: if the makefile is sane, yes. The corresponding flag is usually CXX |
| 14:41.53 | Ketter | dondelelcaro: great.. and I thought I wasn't alone in this dump |
| 14:42.10 | grumpydog | ketter yeah |
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| 14:42.19 | Ketter | dondelelcaro: oohwell, better do it the hard way then :) |
| 14:42.24 | paras | Oryn, i am little confused...what does your scrpt do? |
| 14:42.24 | Anyone | Terratec 128I PCI ,,, is this card known to work or not work? |
| 14:42.31 | Anyone | (Google is broken on this system) |
| 14:42.41 | Eulex | Anyone, alsa-project.org |
| 14:42.41 | grumpydog | Anyone: it will work |
| 14:42.59 | Anyone | grumpydog, you know which chip it is? |
| 14:42.59 | dondelelcaro | Ketter: must be xml schema instance or something |
| 14:43.00 | Oryn | grumpydog: I have no problem (well I do, but its not a computer based one) I was just saying that mainboards with sound onboard tend to have noisy sound |
| 14:43.02 | Anyone | Eulex, thanks |
| 14:43.06 | dondelelcaro | Ketter: but I don't think anyone calls them that anymore. |
| 14:43.37 | Ketter | dondelelcaro: except sun |
| 14:43.37 | Eulex | Anyone, http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Terratec&card=128i+PCI.&chip=ES1938+%28Solo-1%29&module=es1938 |
| 14:43.50 | grumpydog | Oryn: as long as all electrical connections is fine, other than that send the motherboard back buddy. |
| 14:44.07 | dondelelcaro | Ketter: well, sun has a bad habbit of inventing their own terminology, unfortunatly... |
| 14:44.16 | grumpydog | you do get bad motherboard hard drives and ram |
| 14:44.28 | grumpydog | Anyone: try nv |
| 14:44.36 | Anyone | grumpydog, nv? |
| 14:44.38 | Oryn | Anyone: I dont think you can go wrong with a sblive 5.1 its supported by oss and alsa, has the very cool ability to play multiple sounds at once with out the need for amix / ess etc and has good quality inputs |
| 14:44.39 | dondelelcaro | grumpydog: a lot of those onboard cards are often just not well designed either... |
| 14:45.03 | drivamgr2006 | Oryn - that entirely depends on the type of onboard card you have. I run Integrated Sound on Intel Maui / P4 2.4ghz/ sound is part of the 82845 Chipset. Never had noisy sound at all... |
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| 14:45.17 | drivamgr2006 | I get recording on here so clear you could broadcast it. |
| 14:45.27 | Oryn | drivamgr2006: cool |
| 14:45.50 | bizkit | how can i set mount.cifs suid root so that users can mount samba shares rw? |
| 14:45.51 | Ketter | dondelelcaro: anything large with a big mouth has that tendency.. I just thought this would be a little bit more straight forward. |
| 14:45.56 | hyperactivecrond | !netinstall |
| 14:45.57 | dpkg | i heard netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
| 14:46.00 | grumpydog | dondelelcaro: I always say buy hardware, not software supported crap :) as you will know from earlier Linux experience getting winmodems to work |
| 14:46.02 | hyperactivecrond | ok then |
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| 14:46.05 | drivamgr2006 | Maybe worth looking into onboard sound, seriously. Leaves your pci slots free for other stuff! |
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| 14:46.13 | MishMash | Hi guys!!! |
| 14:46.27 | Anyone | Oryn, OK! Thank you very much! I was considering sb-live .. but I have to admit I have lost track of (sound)hardware the past 10-15 years. |
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| 14:46.50 | MishMash | I want to send e-mails from a website running on my debian server. Can that be done with sendmail |
| 14:46.51 | MishMash | ? |
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| 14:46.57 | Oryn | drivamgr2006: just try turning the card output down and turn up the input on your speakers, see how much noise you get (move your mouse about and listen for noise as you move it) |
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| 14:47.15 | Anyone | Oryn, this one will do? "Creative SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit Retail" ? |
| 14:47.26 | juice` | does anyone know why i have a lot of such messages ':/root/source/apache2-2.0.55/build-tree/apache2/support/ab.c:521: undefined reference to `BIO_printf' ' when i try to dpkg-buildpackage my apache2 ? 2.0.55, and i did apt-get build-dep apache2-mpm-worker. its also showing the same undefined reference to BIO_dump, ASN1_UTCTIME_print, X509_get_pubkey, EVP_PKEY_bits and so on. i have libssl-dev 0.9.8a-3, and my dpkg/apt-get is not broken (its 'testing' distro) |
| 14:47.47 | dondelelcaro | juice`: you haven't installed all of the builddeps. |
| 14:47.50 | Oryn | Anyone: hmmm, not sure, I'll bet its an audigy |
| 14:47.58 | dondelelcaro | juice`: why exactly are you building apache2 anyway? |
| 14:48.09 | juice` | dondelecaro: to change some configure options |
| 14:48.12 | Eulex | !wayc juice` |
| 14:48.12 | dpkg | juice`: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 14:48.13 | dondelelcaro | juice`: like what? |
| 14:48.13 | drivamgr2006 | I get no additional noise Oryn. |
| 14:48.36 | Anyone | Oryn, how do I check? They have specifications (not very technical though) |
| 14:48.44 | Stanane | hi~guys! |
| 14:48.45 | Oryn | drivamgr2006: cool then you have a great motherboard :) |
| 14:48.45 | juice` | for optimization effects, i want it to be optimized for my CPU |
| 14:48.48 | MishMash | Can somebody tell me how i can configure sendmail so that i can send e-mail messages trough php from a website on my server? |
| 14:48.58 | Oryn | drivamgr2006: what is it, I want one :) |
| 14:48.59 | Anyone | EAX ADVANCED HD |
| 14:49.01 | juice` | also, i disabled many not-used functions, like mod_status which is decrasing performance |
| 14:49.09 | dondelelcaro | ah... the -O99999 effect... |
| 14:49.15 | hyperactivecrond | MishMash: google it... sendmail php howto |
| 14:49.15 | Anyone | MishMash, you want formmail from matts script archive, I guess. |
| 14:49.18 | Eulex | sns syndrome |
| 14:49.22 | drivamgr2006 | Oryn - you can take a look at my spec. Go to www.dell.com and look at the spec for an Optiplex GX260 |
| 14:49.24 | juice` | im not adding any other -O optioms |
| 14:49.28 | sep | MishMash, if you can tell us why you use sendmail instead of exim that does it out of the box |
| 14:49.30 | juice` | im using dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:49.35 | juice` | i think it is debian utility |
| 14:49.38 | Oryn | Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live 24-Bit PCI Sound Card (Retail Box) ... Linux users, |
| 14:49.38 | Oryn | STAY AWAY FROM THIS CARD. It is not powered by an emu10k chip, ... |
| 14:49.44 | MishMash | hmm, i have exim4 running on my server |
| 14:49.47 | juice` | i guess debian developers put it there to use it :) |
| 14:49.51 | dondelelcaro | juice`: anyway, you need to apt-get builddep apache2; apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; then change debian/rules to set the proper ./configure options. |
| 14:49.55 | MishMash | didn't know that could also send mail :P |
| 14:50.00 | dondelelcaro | juice`: then run fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
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| 14:50.07 | juice` | dondelecaro: i've done it already |
| 14:50.07 | sep | MishMash, ans your php mail() dosn't work ? |
| 14:50.17 | dondelelcaro | juice`: clearly not. If you had, you wouldn't be getting that error. |
| 14:50.34 | Ketter | optimize the squence.. |
| 14:50.38 | MishMash | sep: i don't know if it doens't work, i don't get an error if i try to send an email |
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| 14:50.39 | Ketter | optimize the query.. |
| 14:50.43 | MishMash | the email just never arrives |
| 14:50.44 | Ketter | optimize just about anything.. |
| 14:50.52 | Ketter | except the tools you work with |
| 14:50.54 | sep | MishMash, try a simple mail() and read the logs for why i didn'ty sent. if youre exim4 is corectly configured |
| 14:51.08 | juice` | dondelelcaro: i've done it. believe me. without fakeroot tho |
| 14:51.08 | MishMash | i think i need to reconfigure exim4 ;) |
| 14:51.26 | sep | if it's not corectly configured, fix with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 14:51.43 | dondelelcaro | juice`: give us the full output of the compile run using the paster bot then... |
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| 14:52.11 | MishMash | is exim4 an smtp server or do i need to put in my smtp server from my isp? |
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| 14:52.19 | Oryn | Anyone: do a search on froogle for "sblive 5.1" |
| 14:52.25 | Oryn | 28$ |
| 14:52.42 | sep | MishMash, yes and if you want to |
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| 14:53.24 | dondelelcaro | juice`: and more importantly, exactly what you've changed in debian/rules file. |
| 14:53.30 | MishMash | sep: how do i do that? |
| 14:53.31 | dondelelcaro | (a diff would be useful.) |
| 14:53.38 | sep | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 14:53.55 | MishMash | and then choose internet site? |
| 14:54.00 | Anyone | Oryn, you're partly right about the 24bit soundblaster .. its not the same chip as live 5.1, but its not audigy either, it seems. http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix |
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| 14:54.26 | Oryn | Anyone: I just copy pasted fron google :P |
| 14:54.28 | Anyone | Oryn, I was hoping to purchase the card from the same dealer as I purchase the tv-card .. but I guess that was wishfull thinking. :-) |
| 14:54.49 | Anyone | google works not here .. cookies have done something to it. |
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| 14:55.10 | sep | Anyone, delete the cookies then |
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| 14:55.25 | MishMash | sep: do i need to choose internet site? |
| 14:55.49 | Oryn | Anyone: have a look and see if barebone do tv cards :) |
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| 14:56.05 | Creezeer | hello |
| 14:56.05 | sep | MishMash, depends on your mailing needs |
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| 14:56.51 | MishMash | sep: i only want to send e-mails from a php website |
| 14:57.11 | Creezeer | I have debian testing, i have tried to install zope2.8, but i have a message : Zope2.8: no instances found |
| 14:57.20 | sep | MishMash, also your system sends you email of alerts and similar, you shouls also save those |
| 14:57.29 | Anyone | sep, not my box, otherwise I would twist them. The owner of the box (and account) wants it to search only for danish results. |
| 14:57.33 | MishMash | ah that would come in handy |
| 14:57.46 | MishMash | sep: can you guide me trough thep process? |
| 14:58.21 | sep | MishMash, i dont have it in the head., but i dont think you want internet site unless you want to recieve mail on the box |
| 14:58.24 | Anyone | Oryn, can it be that noone in denmark sells that card on the net new anymore? |
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| 14:58.36 | MishMash | do i want: mail sent by smarthost? |
| 14:58.37 | drivamgr2006 | Who owns this channel? I have a suggestion to make to them. |
| 14:58.46 | Oryn | Anyone: possably |
| 14:58.54 | drivamgr2006 | Anyone - give me a moment and I will look |
| 14:59.00 | Eulex | Anyone, full review that card got was this: Linux users, STAY AWAY FROM THIS CARD. It is not powered by an emu10k chip, this one use a c0106 chip so it's a Windows ''everything-is-emulated-by-software-driver'' kind of card. |
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| 14:59.14 | Oryn | Anyone: do you want to make recodings? |
| 14:59.40 | SimonRaven | Eulex: a la winmodem |
| 14:59.40 | Anyone | Eulex, thanks |
| 14:59.46 | sep | MishMash,depends on your needs |
| 14:59.52 | Anyone | Eulex, I'll stay away from that card! |
| 15:00.03 | sep | MishMash, read /usr/share/doc/exim4* |
| 15:00.05 | sep | gtg |
| 15:00.07 | Eulex | Anyone, you could try these: http://dk.kelkoo.com/ and http://dk.pricerunner.com/ |
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| 15:00.45 | Eulex | Anyone, dunno if their danish services are as good as their swedish ones, though |
| 15:00.46 | Anyone | I want to avoid USB-cards, right? |
| 15:00.53 | Anyone | Eulex, cool |
| 15:00.55 | Oryn | Anyone: you might look at usb soundcards, there are loads to choose from and 90% are linux supported |
| 15:00.55 | Roey | Hello |
| 15:01.17 | Roey | How can I migrate a Debian Sarge system so that / is on LVM? |
| 15:01.26 | Eulex | Anyone, they give advice on where to buy something and where to buy them cheapest |
| 15:01.39 | Anyone | Eulex, ahh .. like edbpriser.dk |
| 15:02.33 | Eulex | Anyone, yep |
| 15:02.56 | Eulex | Oryn, heard they aren't good for latency, though |
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| 15:04.15 | Anyone | Heh .. at first it was very hard to buy hardware to GNU/Linux box .. then it got easy .. then came the winmodem and things went bad again .. |
| 15:04.46 | jbroome | serial modems work great. :) |
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| 15:05.30 | Roey | Anyone can see the trend of closed drivers for GNU/Linux (nvidia, broadcomm, etc.) |
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| 15:06.24 | Oryn | Eulex: well I have one on one of my debian boxes and I play dvds through it fine |
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| 15:06.45 | Oryn | Eulex: I also use the same card for voip with no problems |
| 15:07.30 | Oryn | Eulex: just in case you are wondering the box in question is an Imac running debian-ppc |
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| 15:08.05 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 15:08.40 | zumbi | !hi |
| 15:08.40 | dpkg | hello, zumbi |
| 15:09.00 | Eulex | Oryn, heh, ok. |
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| 15:10.09 | Oryn | Eulex: I cant say how good it would be for games though |
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| 15:11.19 | Eulex | Oryn, just heard that people doing professional sound studio stuff recommends internal sound cards over usb ones |
| 15:11.23 | drivamgr2006 | Anyone, if you are looking for a tv card on sale in denmark over the net, try here: |
| 15:11.24 | drivamgr2006 | http://dk.kelkoo.com/b/a/ssc_110201_ekstern_tv_kort.html |
| 15:11.34 | Eulex | Oryn, because of latency |
| 15:11.39 | DJ-Marcuzz | well, i have this question: im building home server and now, i want to make an user called "download" and i wanna run download programs on that user, and i wanna acces it from my windows box (only not the consol but the compleet X), but when i close my windows client, i don't want the user accound to log of and shutdown my download progs, so i can connect later again, and download something new, how can i do that? |
| 15:11.49 | drivamgr2006 | The prices start of 45,00DKr |
| 15:12.00 | Oryn | Eulex: yup usualy they want to record whilst playing |
| 15:12.35 | Oryn | Eulex: doing multi track layering etc which does need very low latency |
| 15:12.57 | drivamgr2006 | The best I see is about 295Kr Anyone |
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| 15:13.13 | Eulex | drivamgr2006, well, those cheapest ones are cables :) the actual cards are from 295dkr |
| 15:13.37 | Eulex | Oryn, yeah |
| 15:13.38 | Oryn | Eulex: but for ordenary use dvd / mp3 / ogg / email beepings etc a usb card would be fine |
| 15:13.47 | Eulex | Oryn, yep. |
| 15:13.54 | drivamgr2006 | Yes, I just checked and saw that... but dk.kelkoo.com looks to be a good site - certainly the only one I can find selling to denmark |
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| 15:15.10 | Eulex | drivamgr2006, well, they don't sell -- they list sellers and their prices |
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| 15:16.06 | drivamgr2006 | of course... What I mean is, they can show sellers to denmark. Guess my english still needs polishin |
| 15:16.19 | drivamgr2006 | s/polishin/polishing |
| 15:16.30 | Eulex | drivamgr2006, yeah. |
| 15:16.40 | Eulex | Anyone, look up the chipset of this one: http://www.xploreit.dk/xploreit.asp?mainpage=productinfo%2Easp%3Fid%3D408&catid= |
| 15:17.06 | Eulex | oh, wait |
| 15:17.15 | Eulex | it seem to be just tv-out, not tv-in |
| 15:17.26 | drivamgr2006 | I am not sure if Anyone wants an inside or outside tv card. It could change what I search for |
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| 15:17.39 | drivamgr2006 | (internal or external i think is the words...) |
| 15:18.03 | zophyx | hi |
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| 15:18.47 | Eulex | drivamgr2006, nah. tv-out is when you send a picture from your computer to display it at a tv. tv-in is when you record tv signals on your computer |
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| 15:19.17 | tito_stgo | hola a todos |
| 15:19.21 | Eulex | !es |
| 15:19.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:19.25 | Eulex | anyway, brb |
| 15:19.34 | drivamgr2006 | Then the ones on dk.kelkoo are not good then |
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| 15:20.20 | zophyx | en estabulanian aspromopumtu |
| 15:20.31 | zophyx | that's latin |
| 15:20.42 | zophyx | basicly |
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| 15:21.31 | abrotman | zophyx: looks like your cat jumped on your keyboard :) |
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| 15:21.39 | Manolis | Hello - What's the easiest way to embed existing folder.jpg album art files into MP3 files? |
| 15:21.47 | abrotman | you can do that ? |
| 15:21.57 | Shadowcat | Manolis: how is that related to this channel? |
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| 15:22.03 | Shadowcat | abrotman: no you can't |
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| 15:22.50 | Manolis | Shadowcat: I want to do it in Linux and figured my Debian friends might know, maybe a Deb package? |
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| 15:23.01 | Eulex | drivamgr2006, depends on which he wants |
| 15:23.06 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 15:23.08 | Manolis | abrotman: yes you can, embed artwork into mp3 files |
| 15:23.17 | Shadowcat | I'd say google |
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| 15:23.44 | Manolis | Shadowcat: been there done that, all over Google, thanks anyway |
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| 15:25.06 | drivamgr2006 | Aha! Euex, I have an intern tv card for Anyone - i think this is similar to mine. |
| 15:25.07 | drivamgr2006 | http://edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=138499 |
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| 15:25.53 | abrotman | i can't believe that if you can do it .. google doesn't say how |
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| 15:25.59 | abrotman | seems like every 13 y/o would want that |
| 15:26.09 | mmars | alo |
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| 15:26.21 | Shadowcat | abrotman: every aol 1337 h4x0r |
| 15:26.24 | Shadowcat | ;) |
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| 15:27.31 | hyperactivecrond | !kde |
| 15:27.31 | dpkg | it has been said that kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
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| 15:28.19 | hyperactivecrond | :\ ok if i do apt-get install kde on etch, it says that it needs kde-amusements and kde-addons but it's not going to be installed... any help? |
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| 15:28.40 | hyperactivecrond | s/it's/they're |
| 15:28.55 | tarzeau | can someone watch or convert these to mpg? http://www.mhd.miun.se/~crullo/bilder/Snowboard2005/snowboard%20010.mov 11 and 12 too? |
| 15:29.15 | cast | hmm |
| 15:29.18 | cast | ill try |
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| 15:29.55 | Shadowcat | hyperactivecrond: why are you using etch? |
| 15:29.56 | cast | no go :\ |
| 15:30.20 | hyperactivecrond | Shadowcat why not? |
| 15:30.28 | Shadowcat | hyperactivecrond: again |
| 15:30.31 | Shadowcat | WHY are you using etch? |
| 15:30.36 | tarzeau | this one? http://www.dougf.com/media/snowboard/snowboard.mov file says Apple QuickTime movie (unoptimized) |
| 15:30.43 | hyperactivecrond | Shadowcat: it's more stable than ubuntu breezy :) |
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| 15:31.06 | hyperactivecrond | so in other words kde is broken under etch...? |
| 15:32.11 | Shadowcat | hyperactivecrond: first off |
| 15:32.14 | Shadowcat | debian != ubuntu |
| 15:32.53 | hyperactivecrond | No S*** Shadowcat |
| 15:32.57 | hyperactivecrond | it's a joke... |
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| 15:33.46 | hyperactivecrond | d'oh ok nvm |
| 15:34.38 | hyperactivecrond | i didnt read the wik |
| 15:34.38 | hyperactivecrond | i |
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| 15:37.48 | hyperactivecrond | ok so what's wrong with me using etch? |
| 15:38.02 | dvs | hyperactivecrond: Why not sarge? |
| 15:38.13 | Shadowcat | !iyhad |
| 15:38.17 | Shadowcat | damnit |
| 15:38.21 | Shadowcat | what's that factiod called |
| 15:38.25 | Shadowcat | !yhtad |
| 15:38.35 | nkuttler | iyhta? |
| 15:38.40 | dvs | !iyhtaus |
| 15:38.46 | Shadowcat | basically |
| 15:38.48 | dvs | !iyhtays |
| 15:38.48 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 15:38.52 | dvs | yah! |
| 15:38.54 | Shadowcat | there we go |
| 15:39.03 | Shadowcat | hyperactivecrond: that's what's wrong |
| 15:39.10 | hyperactivecrond | nothing's wrong with me using etch. |
| 15:39.11 | Shadowcat | if you have to ask why you should or should not run etch |
| 15:39.12 | hyperactivecrond | i'm not a n00b |
| 15:39.18 | Shadowcat | you shouldn't be using it |
| 15:39.19 | hyperactivecrond | because you are yelling at me |
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| 15:39.30 | dvs | hyperactivecrond: but you'll be in here all the time when problems arise |
| 15:39.39 | hyperactivecrond | dvs: well it's a bit late now |
| 15:39.40 | Shadowcat | hyperactivecrond: then you should keep track of broken packages on your own |
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| 15:40.01 | hyperactivecrond | Shadowcat: ok so i didn't read the debian wiki for debian... |
| 15:40.04 | dvs | hyperactivecrond: exactly |
| 15:40.10 | hyperactivecrond | s/debian/kde |
| 15:40.11 | drivamgr2006 | Maybe we should open a second channel for people needing support with Debian's testing systems. Save getting the questions here! |
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| 15:40.19 | drivamgr2006 | #debian-testing |
| 15:40.23 | hyperactivecrond | i've resolved the issue |
| 15:40.29 | Shadowcat | drivamgr2006: and then have one for sid too? |
| 15:40.38 | hyperactivecrond | #debian-unstable |
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| 15:40.50 | Shadowcat | heh I'm in both |
| 15:40.55 | Shadowcat | I should register them >:) |
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| 15:41.17 | drivamgr2006 | It would leave the debian channel free for questions about Debian's stable parts. Less confusing Shadowcat |
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| 15:41.32 | Shadowcat | drivamgr2006: heh |
| 15:41.38 | Shadowcat | the thing about testing/unstable/experimental |
| 15:41.42 | Shadowcat | is that if you run them |
| 15:41.50 | Shadowcat | you *shoudn't* be asking questions |
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| 15:42.14 | dvs | I was going to ask if the Radeon X700 works with etch |
| 15:42.16 | drivamgr2006 | exactly! Don't use it unless you know wth you are doing with it! |
| 15:42.27 | Eulex | drivamgr2006, that looks good. it's a tv-in card at least. is possibly a tv-out card too |
| 15:42.32 | drivamgr2006 | Its like buying a car BEFORE you learn to drive |
| 15:42.33 | hyperactivecrond | Shadowcat and drivamgr2006: i (genarally) know what i'm doing |
| 15:42.56 | drivamgr2006 | Thats what I thought Eulex. Maybe better for his needs |
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| 15:43.41 | drivamgr2006 | be right back - i desperately need some coffee before I fall asleep |
| 15:43.48 | Eulex | hehe |
| 15:43.50 | hyperactivecrond | i prefer being more up to date, but not that up to date where i'm using unstable or a distro like gentoo |
| 15:43.57 | drivamgr2006 | Damn 3am Starts... gotta get a better job |
| 15:44.07 | Eulex | Anyone, what kind of tv card did you need? |
| 15:44.14 | Fabio | oi aguem sabe de Kurrumin q possa me ajudar |
| 15:44.18 | dvs | drivamgr2006: What do you do? |
| 15:44.36 | Shadowcat | there |
| 15:44.51 | Shadowcat | registered #debian-testing #debian-unstable #debian-experimental |
| 15:44.57 | Shadowcat | not sure what good that'll do |
| 15:45.11 | Eulex | !br |
| 15:45.11 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:45.17 | thingfish | Fabio: only Debian support here. Try #kurumin. |
| 15:45.56 | Eulex | there's some debian derivative called kurumin? |
| 15:46.07 | Shadowcat | !based on debian |
| 15:46.07 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 15:46.13 | Shadowcat | apparently |
| 15:46.16 | thingfish | !kurumin |
| 15:46.17 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
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| 15:46.27 | Eulex | heh, ok |
| 15:46.47 | hyperactivecrond | Shadowcat: somehow get someone to change the topic and make it 'official' |
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| 15:47.39 | chino[server] | how do i turn on a service at book ? |
| 15:47.42 | hyperactivecrond | imho ubuntu != based on debian... it's more like taken from debian, because they're not going to join the dcc |
| 15:47.54 | hyperactivecrond | chino[server] chmod +x /etc/init.d/baz |
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| 15:48.14 | chino[server] | what about the tool to create the rcN/* files ? |
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| 15:48.29 | xsdg | chino[server]: update-rc.d |
| 15:48.32 | hyperactivecrond | and mark shuttleworth described it as something different (not to be flame fodder) |
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| 15:49.00 | xsdg | chino[server]: what service are you referring to, though? |
| 15:49.10 | vedranell | hello |
| 15:49.13 | chino[server] | ntpdate |
| 15:49.23 | chino[server] | i want to make sure its starting at boot |
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| 15:51.23 | xsdg | chino[server]: ntpdate already has a script to run at boot |
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| 15:52.19 | emi | retfwert |
| 15:52.19 | emi | ewtwe |
| 15:52.21 | emi | rt |
| 15:52.25 | blondie | shut up |
| 15:53.06 | blondie | what? |
| 15:53.49 | xsdg | blondie: got up on the wrong side of the bed? |
| 15:54.01 | blondie | they were spamming |
| 15:55.25 | xsdg | blondie: what if the person's keyboard wasn't working properly? |
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| 15:55.50 | blondie | xsdg: uhuh |
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| 15:56.04 | blondie | ok maybe I'm grumpy :P |
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| 15:56.14 | drivamgr2006 | sure xsdg... 104 keys and only 5 work???? |
| 15:56.16 | drivamgr2006 | :) |
| 15:56.27 | drivamgr2006 | nice shot blondie. give em hell |
| 15:56.28 | hyperactivecrond | alright... i'll dist-upgrade back to sarge.. |
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| 15:56.38 | xsdg | drivamgr2006: I've seen weirder things |
| 15:57.10 | hyperactivecrond | so what's the name of the repo for sarge? like instead of testing, what is it? |
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| 15:57.21 | Eulex | xsdg, well, how would the person then be able to do /join #debian? ;P |
| 15:57.22 | xsdg | hyperactivecrond: etch |
| 15:57.27 | drivamgr2006 | I've seen wierder things too, but only when i spilled a can of lager on my keyboard and the damn thing started typing by itself |
| 15:57.29 | xsdg | Eulex: autojoin on a GUI client? |
| 15:57.32 | csezol | How do i change the grub theme ? |
| 15:57.35 | Eulex | xsdg, maybe |
| 15:57.37 | hyperactivecrond | thx xsdg |
| 15:57.51 | csezol | are there grub themes available through apt ? |
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| 15:58.23 | csezol | xsdg: and bitchx.. :) |
| 15:58.30 | Eulex | and irssi |
| 15:58.34 | csezol | yeah.. |
| 15:58.45 | xsdg | the point was the GUI client bit |
| 15:58.45 | csezol | are there grub themes available through apt ? |
| 15:58.59 | Eulex | csezol, doesn't seem like it |
| 15:59.10 | csezol | and i'd like bootsplash screens too.. |
| 15:59.10 | hyperactivecrond | Konversation |
| 15:59.12 | xsdg | csezol: sorry; I find black-and-white beautiful ;o) |
| 15:59.23 | limpio | how do i go about accesing a printer in a windows2000 lan? is there an app i can start googing about? |
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| 15:59.30 | csezol | xsdg i have blue'n'white ;( |
| 15:59.46 | drivamgr2006 | Thats problem btw, thanks for reminding me xsdg. I use Xchat, but used to have irssi on here for when i was working outside the gui. Now, I cant get irssi to start, and can't get it from repository either. done an apt-get update, and yet apt-get install irssi says the package is obsoleted |
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| 15:59.54 | csezol | I'd like a bootsplash too.. what should i do? |
| 16:00.01 | hyperactivecrond | ok so i changed in /etc/apt/sources.list from testing to sarge... if i do apt-get dist-upgrade it does nothing what do i do? |
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| 16:00.35 | csezol | drivamgr2006 : you should compile irssi from sources |
| 16:00.42 | takatumi | csezol: http://debblue.debian.net/ maybe |
| 16:00.43 | csezol | or use bitchx |
| 16:01.02 | csezol | takatumi thanks |
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| 16:01.43 | Eulex | hyperactivecrond, there is no easy way to downgrade from testing to sarge. if you just installed -- reinstall sarge. |
| 16:01.47 | drivamgr2006 | csezol - i had no need. it was on my cd when i installed, and i also had it from apt-get when i started, in case stuff went tits up with the gui. now i cant get it at all and I am not prepared to compiile on here! |
| 16:01.52 | xsdg | drivamgr2006: irssi-text |
| 16:01.56 | drivamgr2006 | Not unless absolutely necessart |
| 16:01.56 | guk | drivamgr2006: try apt-cache search irssi |
| 16:02.07 | csezol | drivamgr2006 : ok then.. |
| 16:02.14 | guk | there is even a GUI version of irssi |
| 16:02.22 | blondie | guk: a very old one |
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| 16:02.31 | Eulex | drivamgr2006, the package is named irssi-text |
| 16:02.31 | guk | the point is :) it's there |
| 16:02.31 | drivamgr2006 | aha! thanks xsdg - thats why I couldnt find it. I was just doing apt-get install irssi |
| 16:02.32 | blondie | the package for irssi is irssi-text |
| 16:02.36 | guk | Irssi 0.8.10-rc5 (20041018) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 16:02.39 | guk | I compile my irssi |
| 16:02.49 | drivamgr2006 | b*gger.... :) |
| 16:02.52 | drivamgr2006 | thanks all |
| 16:02.55 | guk | I got a dual 200 running it ... and it doesn't take long and lets me compile it with ipv6 support |
| 16:03.03 | goccia | i use irssi jailed and bzipped :) |
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| 16:03.13 | goccia | very handy ... |
| 16:03.16 | blondie | jailed? |
| 16:03.21 | goccia | yeahhh |
| 16:03.22 | guk | oh ? |
| 16:03.30 | blondie | how is that? |
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| 16:03.39 | csezol | in the end it doesn't even matter.. |
| 16:03.40 | Eulex | goccia, ain't jailing some *bsd thingy that corresponds to chrooting in linux? |
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| 16:04.16 | limpio | my box is the only debian one in an office with a windows 2000 lan and i need to use the printer, how do i do this, what should i google for? |
| 16:04.20 | xsdg | Eulex: jail and chroot are pretty much the same (jail might be a slightly more generic term) |
| 16:04.24 | blondie | limpio: cups |
| 16:04.31 | Eulex | xsdg, ok |
| 16:04.45 | limpio | blondie, allright! thanks bud |
| 16:04.50 | Eulex | limpio, samba and cups |
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| 16:04.51 | guk | that's kinda intresting |
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| 16:05.06 | Dazgard | hi |
| 16:05.06 | hyperactivecrond | sorry i was afk... is it possible to downgrade to sarge from etch? |
| 16:05.07 | goccia | Eulex: i like it this way : no need to install it , i use a wrap to launh it as a fake user :) |
| 16:05.15 | goccia | launch* |
| 16:05.17 | thingfish | limpio: if you use gnome, gnome-cups-manager might help you add a new samba shared printer. |
| 16:05.22 | limpio | Eulex, thanks, now i can start googling |
| 16:05.24 | csezol | Eulex : in the end it doesnt even matter... let it fall. |
| 16:05.28 | Dazgard | im trying to install debian using deboostrap, and i have this error : |
| 16:05.29 | Eulex | goccia, hmm, ok |
| 16:05.31 | Dazgard | dpkg: can't mmap package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available': Invalid argument |
| 16:05.32 | guk | I just compiled my irssi under my user ? and installed it in MY home directory ... |
| 16:05.37 | Dazgard | can someone help me please ? |
| 16:05.39 | limpio | thingfish, i use icewm |
| 16:05.42 | Dazgard | what does this mlean ? |
| 16:05.51 | hyperactivecrond | Dazgard why use debootstrap? |
| 16:05.53 | dvs | Hydroxide: Nope |
| 16:06.11 | Dazgard | hyperactivecrond: im installing a uml node |
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| 16:06.27 | Dazgard | creating a root_fs filesystem |
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| 16:06.45 | Eulex | hyperactivecrond, not without a lot of sweat, blood and tears |
| 16:07.10 | gteppel | I have two identical hard drives that I want to appear as one, I'm installing Debian right now (stable) and these two hard drives are on hdc & hdd. hda is a small 10GB that will will have swap a / on it. So I use LVM or RAID to merge these two identical hard drives? What are the advantages/disadvantages of each... |
| 16:07.24 | Dazgard | hyperactivecrond: deboostraping is a lot better in my case |
| 16:07.28 | gteppel | So should I use LVM.... |
| 16:07.30 | goccia | blondie: bin dev etc irssi lib man share tmp usr :) |
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| 16:07.40 | Dazgard | there is no workaround for this problem ? |
| 16:07.46 | guk | you don't want to mess with RAID if you don't have too ... esp raid-0 ... it does increase performance ... at the double chance for a problem ... |
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| 16:07.56 | goccia | 14M |
| 16:07.58 | monica | hi |
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| 16:08.01 | monica | mate |
| 16:08.03 | guk | not to mention using software raid .. you better make sure your hw is rock solid ... bad RAM or somthing could chew up your drives ;) |
| 16:08.07 | guk | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 16:08.07 | guk | /dev/md0 15G 6.1G 7.9G 44% / |
| 16:08.08 | Fabio | hi |
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| 16:08.24 | monica | i am from spain |
| 16:08.35 | Dazgard | hi monica |
| 16:08.40 | Fabio | i am from Brasil |
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| 16:08.48 | Dazgard | im fron france :) |
| 16:08.48 | guk | I use SW raid on my dual ppro ... cause I only have a 10 and 6gb drive for it ... and hardware raid on my Athlon64 |
| 16:08.50 | Dazgard | from |
| 16:09.05 | Eulex | monica, got confidence in your english or do you want a pointer to the spanish debian channel? |
| 16:09.08 | monica | somebody tell me any chanel in spanish? |
| 16:09.11 | Fabio | Aguem fala Portugues |
| 16:09.18 | thingfish | !br |
| 16:09.18 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:09.20 | Eulex | !es |
| 16:09.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:09.28 | gteppel | guk: LVM basically just concats one drive to another right? |
| 16:09.32 | monica | ok |
| 16:09.40 | thingfish | falo, fabio, mas no #debian so falamos ingles. |
| 16:09.43 | monica | tahnak you |
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| 16:10.01 | guk | pretty much |
| 16:10.09 | guk | I used the debian raid thingy on the install and it worked alright |
| 16:10.14 | guk | im just waiting for it to fail :) |
| 16:10.17 | guk | those are old drives |
| 16:10.21 | gteppel | so if one drive goes down (god forbid) i can at least save some data on the other |
| 16:10.23 | guk | and I now have 2x the chance of failure |
| 16:10.31 | gteppel | rather than with raid everything is screwed |
| 16:10.33 | gteppel | if one dies |
| 16:10.34 | guk | oh ... you want raid-1 ... |
| 16:10.40 | gteppel | no raid-0 |
| 16:10.42 | guk | which just keeps a synced clone |
| 16:10.48 | guk | oh raid-0 ... you lose one drive ... your done with |
| 16:10.50 | guk | your data's fucked |
| 16:10.52 | gteppel | ya |
| 16:11.00 | gteppel | but with LVM one drive means i can save at least some data |
| 16:11.23 | guk | ive never messed with lvm I don't think ... I just clicked "setup raid" on the debian install and it worked :/ |
| 16:11.29 | gteppel | ahh oka |
| 16:11.32 | gteppel | thanks :) |
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| 16:13.03 | mocc | what rules to add in /etc/shorewall/rules to allow apt-get update? I cannot update --> Could not connect to linux.csua.berkeley.edu:21 (128.32.112.231). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
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| 16:14.29 | gteppel | guK: I found a paper comparing LVM vs RAID (specifically RAID-0). And the advantage of LVM is that you can add a third hard drive to your LVM seamlessy, while its very difficult if not impossible to add a third HD to RAID-0 |
| 16:14.47 | goccia | mocc: don't blame shorewall |
| 16:14.54 | gteppel | LVM is basically creating a layer of abstraction between paritions and storage |
| 16:15.12 | guk | gteppel: technicly ... raid-0 isn't really raid ;-) |
| 16:15.12 | mocc | well..i guess it because of the shorewall... maybe im wrong |
| 16:15.24 | guk | gteppel: there is nothing "redundant" about 2 drives relying on eachother so much |
| 16:15.32 | guk | gteppel: but it is nice and quick |
| 16:15.35 | gteppel | ya |
| 16:15.39 | guk | my athlon machine almost doubled HDD performance |
| 16:15.41 | guk | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 16:15.41 | guk | //192.168.1.102/My_Documents |
| 16:15.42 | guk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.42 | guk | :) |
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| 16:15.58 | guk | erm |
| 16:16.03 | guk | but yeah ... it's pretty cool ... |
| 16:16.15 | mocc | goccia: i cannot upt-get update now... it say Could not connect to linux.csua.berkeley.edu:21 (128.32.112.231). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
| 16:16.19 | guk | mess around with it ... and just make sure to keep frequent backups and you should be okay |
| 16:16.25 | Pajo | hi |
| 16:16.37 | drivamgr2006 | mocc: Can you be sure its a problem with Shorewall? Maybe you should try to link to a different repository in the US before you look at other issues... |
| 16:16.46 | goccia | mocc: check IP_FORWARDING=On in /etc/shorewall/shorewall.conf |
| 16:16.52 | mocc | goccia: i've tried on other machine without any problem |
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| 16:17.08 | mocc | goccia: ok brb |
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| 16:17.20 | drivamgr2006 | I know Colorado State Uni's repo is up and down like a sinking ship full of yoyo's |
| 16:17.50 | drivamgr2006 | I use a repo from the.earth.li - seems pretty reliable. |
| 16:18.33 | goccia | mocc: and CLAMPMSS=Yes |
| 16:18.33 | drivamgr2006 | Not colorado... |
| 16:18.42 | drivamgr2006 | I mean chicago |
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| 16:22.20 | goccia | Eulex: ops . i got you now : jail/chroot :) |
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| 16:23.36 | Eulex | goccia, yeah |
| 16:23.44 | d301471 | hi, whete is the file with sound card drivers parameters? |
| 16:25.06 | goccia | Eulex: i like *bsd , free included , very good docs |
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| 16:25.41 | mocc | goccia : Could not connect to linux.csua.berkeley.edu:21 (128.32.112.231). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
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| 16:26.18 | goccia | mocc: can you give me your source line ? i'll try on my machine |
| 16:26.55 | Eulex | mocc, ftp://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/ works very well here, if that's what you're doing |
| 16:27.02 | hcy | hi, i did apt-get upgrade and it said "Setting up cupsys (1.1.23-15) ... Illegal port value for CUPS. Please correct this by running 'dpkg-reconfigure cupsys'." Running dpkg-reconfigure, though, just gives the same error. and now cups doesn't work anymore, and apt-get keeps getting stuck even when i try to upgrade other things. I use cups all the time, though, so how can i fix that please? |
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| 16:27.42 | goccia | berkeley ? a LEGEND! |
| 16:27.54 | mocc | goccia: yes it work on my another machine behind the firewall... but didnt work on the firewall itself |
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| 16:28.17 | goccia | mocc: did you restart shorewall ? |
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| 16:28.19 | decklin | is there a way to make kernel-package create yaird's temp dir in /tmp rather than /boot? |
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| 16:28.36 | mocc | yes /etc/init.d/shorewall refresh |
| 16:28.45 | mocc | let me try restart |
| 16:28.47 | goccia | mocc: shorewall restart |
| 16:28.50 | goccia | as root |
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| 16:29.00 | hcy | somebody please address my cupsys question thanks |
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| 16:29.55 | mocc | work! |
| 16:29.57 | hkais | hello |
| 16:30.01 | mocc | dem |
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| 16:30.10 | Roey | hello |
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| 16:30.24 | Roey | regarding the Etch debian installer, how can I add the megaraid modules to it? they're not included by default. |
| 16:30.31 | mocc | goccia: what is the diffrent restart and refresh? |
| 16:30.50 | mocc | goccia: it work now |
| 16:31.19 | Eulex | hcy, if I'd know how to fix it I'd tell you how. If anyone knew how to fix it, they'd help. Also, consider that all people in here are volunteers. |
| 16:32.01 | hkais | i am a very bloody noob in automake/autoconf |
| 16:32.01 | hkais | i trying to generate the configure, but i do not kno whow |
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| 16:32.36 | goccia | mocc: good :) see shorewall --help |
| 16:32.50 | hcy | Eulex: i know, it's just sometimes stuff scrolls by here fast and people don't notice the posts |
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| 16:33.28 | hkais | how can i generate a configure based on configure.in? |
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| 16:34.10 | mocc | ok goccia thanks gtg |
| 16:34.13 | Eulex | hcy, well, feel free to post your question again in 20 minutes or so. people hate if you repeat your question within a few minutes, btw. |
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| 16:34.36 | Eulex | hkais, run autoconf? |
| 16:34.39 | goccia | mocc: np : trry a cidr blacklist like 61.78.0.0/15 just for fun :) |
| 16:35.10 | hkais | Eulex: |
| 16:35.10 | hkais | http://pastebin.com/480285 |
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| 16:35.20 | mocc | i'll try it |
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| 16:35.39 | DJ-Marcuzz | well, im trying to get an vnc running like i did on windows, where i can connect trough and windows viewer and an website, does one of you have any dears? |
| 16:36.01 | Eulex | hkais, how does your configure.in look? |
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| 16:36.51 | Eulex | hkais, you may want to try a newer version (if applicable) of the autotools |
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| 16:37.09 | d301471 | may i repeat?:) whete is the file with sound card drivers parameters? |
| 16:37.15 | hkais | Eulex: http://www.open-xchange.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/openexchange/configure.in?rev=1.35&only_with_tag=HEAD&view=markup |
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| 16:37.22 | dvs | d301471: What kernel? |
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| 16:37.38 | d301471 | dvs: sarge, newest |
| 16:37.39 | dracflamloc | hello, can anyone help me, i've got a soundcard using the opl3sa2 module, but for some reason sound only works if i boot into KDE, but doesnt work if i boot into fluxbox or gnome |
| 16:37.47 | dvs | d301471: sarge has at least 2 kernels |
| 16:38.09 | hcy | Eulex: ok |
| 16:38.27 | aaronlin | hi; I am running Debian 3.1. I have 128 megs of RAM on this computer, and recently I am starting to run on swap so I am trying to reduce the number of unnecessary processes running on my computer. How can I begin? I'm running Blackbox, so I shouldn't be ending up in swap all the time. |
| 16:38.45 | aaronlin | the programs I use often are firefox and Gaim... |
| 16:38.59 | bibe | aaronlin : change browser, first of all |
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| 16:39.03 | Eulex | hcy, have you tried running automake, aclocal, acheader etc before running autoconf? |
| 16:39.48 | Eulex | d301471, uname -r? |
| 16:39.49 | aaronlin | bibe: what browser? |
| 16:39.55 | dracflamloc | does anyone know a reason why sound would only work if i boot into kde? |
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| 16:40.10 | valdyn | !work |
| 16:40.11 | dpkg | well, work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room?, or see play =-) |
| 16:40.22 | bibe | aaronlin : or, better, use 'top', sort by memory usage and try to stop the most memory-consuming and unneeded services |
| 16:40.23 | Eulex | dracflamloc, not with such a vague description, no. |
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| 16:41.09 | Eulex | dracflamloc, using alsa or oss? |
| 16:41.15 | dracflamloc | Eulex: what more do you need? |
| 16:41.19 | dracflamloc | oss i believe |
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| 16:41.32 | dracflamloc | doesn't matter to me which i use but neither seem to work until kde has been loaded |
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| 16:42.03 | intx | anyone use oidentd with linux 2.6? |
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| 16:42.15 | dracflamloc | options opl3sa2 io=0x370 mss_io=0x530 mpu_io=0x330 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0 |
| 16:42.21 | bibe | aaronlin : epiphany and konqueror are almost-complete browsers, with most of functionality and a relatively small memory footprint |
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| 16:42.26 | dracflamloc | and alias sound opl3sa2 is in my aliases |
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| 16:42.40 | paulswm | intx: I use it |
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| 16:42.57 | aaronlin | bibe: hmm...do they support javascript? |
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| 16:43.16 | bibe | aaronlin : konqueror supports it, AFAIK |
| 16:43.17 | Eulex | dracflamloc, try installing alsa-base and alsa-utils and then run alsaconf. |
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| 16:43.27 | intx | paulswm: do you use NAT by any chance? |
| 16:43.32 | dracflamloc | ok' |
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| 16:43.43 | Eulex | dracflamloc, what kernel, btw? |
| 16:43.52 | aaronlin | ok, on top, what do I look for? |
| 16:44.04 | Eulex | aardvarq, press < two or three times |
| 16:44.05 | aaronlin | There is a table with PR, NI, VIRT, RES, SHR, S, %CPU, and %MEM |
| 16:44.09 | aaronlin | and then TIME+ |
| 16:44.16 | hkais | Eulex: do you have an idea? |
| 16:44.19 | dracflamloc | 2.4.27 |
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| 16:44.31 | Eulex | aaronlin, you should then see the processes that use most memory |
| 16:44.33 | bibe | aaronlin : press <SHIFT+M> to sort by memory usage |
| 16:44.34 | valdyn | aaronlin: switch off you swap, then look at RES |
| 16:44.37 | dracflamloc | its a default install of 3.1 on a toshiba portege (old, 266mhz p1 with 92mb ram) |
| 16:44.41 | Eulex | dracflamloc, then you need the alsa modules for your kernel too |
| 16:45.15 | aaronlin | bibe and Eulex: ah, I see, ok |
| 16:45.19 | cahoot | Eulex: why would alsa solve his original problem? |
| 16:45.32 | intx | anyone use oidentd with linux 2.6 and NAT? |
| 16:45.34 | aaronlin | ok firefox uses up 25% |
| 16:45.45 | aaronlin | next is Xfree86 at 20% |
| 16:45.48 | aaronlin | but I don't want to part with either |
| 16:46.01 | aaronlin | firefox has 5 PID's |
| 16:46.06 | Eulex | cahoot, alsa is more modern. he should use it if possible. |
| 16:46.14 | valdyn | aaronlin: the value shown for Xorg is NO indicator for X at all |
| 16:46.18 | dracflamloc | cahoot, if you've got any ideas i'd be happy to try. eulex, what must i do to get the alsa modules |
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| 16:46.38 | dvs | dracflamloc: apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 16:46.45 | paulswm | intx: No |
| 16:46.51 | valdyn | aaronlin: the value for firefox however is not complete, but still a decent indicator. |
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| 16:47.03 | aaronlin | valdyn: I see |
| 16:47.11 | valdyn | aaronlin: s/Xorg/Xfree86/ |
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| 16:47.14 | aaronlin | ok, third place is gaim, followed by Gnome-terminal |
| 16:47.25 | aaronlin | both of which have about 10% |
| 16:47.27 | bibe | aaronlin : I always open one instance of firefox, then all new windows are opened from there. I don't have statistics, but I think it's less memory-consuming |
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| 16:47.29 | aaronlin | then XMMS at 5% |
| 16:47.45 | hkais | Eulex: do you have an idea with my issue? |
| 16:47.49 | Eulex | aaronlin, screw gnome |
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| 16:48.13 | Eulex | hkais, I don't, more than I've already said |
| 16:48.23 | dracflamloc | Eulex: i run alsaconf and it says "no pnp or pci cards found, probe isa?" |
| 16:48.35 | hkais | Eulex:??? |
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| 16:48.43 | valdyn | aaronlin: buy more ram, firefox is huge, no way around that |
| 16:48.49 | Eulex | dracflamloc, yes, your card is an isa one |
| 16:48.52 | aaronlin | I see. Ok, maybe I should get a new browser. |
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| 16:48.55 | aaronlin | Not much around it, huh? |
| 16:48.57 | Eulex | dracflamloc, afaik at least |
| 16:49.22 | valdyn | aaronlin: konqueror uses less ram iirc |
| 16:49.28 | intx | paulswm: ok thanks |
| 16:49.30 | aaronlin | I can't stand konqueror =) |
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| 16:49.35 | Eulex | hkais, I have already given all advice I can think about. |
| 16:49.47 | dracflamloc | Eulex: ok, how do i get the module snd-opl3sa2? |
| 16:50.04 | paulswm | aaronlin: If you leave firefox running on a page with animations or applets, for example, it is going to use CPU of course |
| 16:50.11 | hkais | Eulex: you mean the newer version of autoconf? |
| 16:50.43 | valdyn | aaronlin: which color depth are you using on your X ? |
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| 16:50.55 | aaronlin | valdyn: I have no idea |
| 16:50.59 | aaronlin | Hah! |
| 16:51.03 | aaronlin | Epiphany uses more memory than firefox |
| 16:51.16 | Eulex | dracflamloc, it's included in the alsa-modules for your kernel. |
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| 16:51.27 | valdyn | aaronlin: not really i'd doubt that |
| 16:51.28 | intx | how do you install patches? |
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| 16:51.36 | valdyn | aaronlin: xdpyinfo | grep -i "depth of root" |
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| 16:51.49 | aaronlin | valdyn: top says it uses 28% compared to 25% |
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| 16:52.09 | Eulex | dracflamloc, did it detect anything? |
| 16:52.15 | aaronlin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.27 | dracflamloc | nope |
| 16:52.33 | valdyn | aaronlin: cut that down to 16 and both firefox and epiphany should use alot less ram |
| 16:52.34 | dracflamloc | i'm gonna apt-get alsa-modules |
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| 16:52.48 | valdyn | aaronlin: well, and naturally Xorg should aswell |
| 16:52.50 | Eulex | dracflamloc, we'll skip alsa for now. in what desktop environment did sound work in and in which didn't it? |
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| 16:52.53 | intx | is there a way to install .patch files, aside from manually editing the file yourself? |
| 16:52.55 | valdyn | aaronlin: or Xfree ) |
| 16:53.10 | dracflamloc | Eulex: it only worked if i booted into KDE before anything else |
| 16:53.16 | Eulex | intx, man patch |
| 16:53.25 | Eulex | dracflamloc, booting into kde as opposed to what? |
| 16:53.27 | aaronlin | valdyn: hmm....would that reduce picture quality? |
| 16:53.33 | aaronlin | it's alright, thanks anyway, I'll just bear with it |
| 16:53.34 | dracflamloc | gnome, or fluxbox |
| 16:53.38 | aaronlin | I don't want to make my screen really ugly |
| 16:53.46 | valdyn | aaronlin: i cant see a difference |
| 16:53.54 | Eulex | aaronlin, a bit. but it'd be worth it. |
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| 16:54.24 | valdyn | aaronlin: and if you're not into gfx design you probably just would not notice |
| 16:54.30 | Eulex | aaronlin, doesn't do any difference for things other than gradients |
| 16:54.45 | aaronlin | now here's the question |
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| 16:54.53 | aaronlin | would I ever be able to run something like Gimp on this computer? |
| 16:55.02 | valdyn | aaronlin: why not? |
| 16:55.54 | aaronlin | valdyn: I have tried to edit an image before, but the image often ends up to be 100 MB in size |
| 16:55.54 | Eulex | dracflamloc, could you boot fluxbox? |
| 16:55.54 | dracflamloc | yea |
| 16:55.54 | Eulex | aaronlin, wouldn't make a difference as gnome stores things internally as 32 bits |
| 16:55.55 | valdyn | aaronlin: that's a problem of that picture, nothing to do with gimp itself |
| 16:56.18 | Eulex | aaronlin, too big image or too many layers |
| 16:56.24 | valdyn | aaronlin: and you can easily have 1GB sized pictures too ) |
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| 16:56.32 | dracflamloc | oh, Eulex i got alsaconf to detect my card. |
| 16:56.34 | dracflamloc | =) |
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| 16:56.49 | Eulex | aaronlin, you could also try decreasing the number of undo steps or the amount of memory reserved for undo stuff |
| 16:56.54 | Eulex | dracflamloc, :) |
| 16:57.07 | Eulex | dracflamloc, now, can you play stuff with for example mpg123? |
| 16:57.10 | aaronlin | ah |
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| 16:57.24 | dracflamloc | gonna try once alsaconf finishes |
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| 16:58.01 | dracflamloc | shoot |
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| 16:58.49 | Eulex | dracflamloc, run mpg123 (install it if needed) on any mp3 file you've got lying around |
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| 16:59.26 | dracflamloc | alsaconf just spat out: /snd-opl3sa2.o: init_module: No such device |
| 16:59.37 | dracflamloc | i guess it didnt detect the settings quite right |
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| 17:00.06 | dracflamloc | using the oss drivers that i've been trying to get working, i can't play anything booted into fluxbox |
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| 17:01.02 | cahoot | dracflamloc: does fuser -v /dev/dsp return anything? |
| 17:01.05 | Nero | hi. ich möchte auf meinem debian root ein mail system mit folgenden anforderungen: mailserver mit spam und viren filter, pop3, snmpt und evt webinterface |
| 17:01.16 | valdyn | !de |
| 17:01.16 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 17:01.22 | decklin | okay, kernel-package 10.026 ConfModule::stop isn't working, presumably because something printed to stdout. (and so postinst/postrm exits 128.) anyone using this or have a clue how to debug it? |
| 17:01.32 | Nero | oki |
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| 17:01.50 | dracflamloc | cahoot, nope |
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| 17:02.54 | cahoot | dracflamloc: what does ls -l /dev/dsp say? |
| 17:03.23 | Eulex | dracflamloc, can mpg123 play anything? |
| 17:03.41 | dracflamloc | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2005-12-27 11:43 /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0 |
| 17:03.41 | dracflamloc | dmesg has this error in it: |
| 17:03.48 | dracflamloc | erm |
| 17:04.04 | dracflamloc | no, mp3123 doesnt play anything, until i load kde |
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| 17:04.21 | cahoot | dracflamloc: and ls -l /dev/dsp0 ? |
| 17:04.24 | dracflamloc | dmesg has something about 0x370 being in use when it tries to load opl3sa2 |
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| 17:04.51 | dvs | dracflamloc: So another modules is already using it |
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| 17:05.06 | goccia | dracflamloc: is snd-opl3sa2 for a yahmaha card ? |
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| 17:05.10 | dracflamloc | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-12-27 11:43 /dev/dsp0 |
| 17:05.15 | dracflamloc | goccia: yea |
| 17:05.39 | goccia | dracflamloc: works ok in debian! |
| 17:05.50 | dracflamloc | i'm in debian? |
| 17:05.50 | andisoftman | im having problems mounting a usb SD card reader, ive found that Debian seems to put it on /dev/uba, but i cant find a filesystem that mounts properly, any ideas? |
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| 17:06.05 | dracflamloc | i just installed the system. |
| 17:06.12 | dvs | dracflamloc: Is the snd module loaded? lsmod | grep snd |
| 17:06.13 | ^kiwi | please kill MastaP for spamming. |
| 17:06.32 | goccia | dracflamloc: load opl3sa2 in /etc/modules |
| 17:06.55 | dracflamloc | snd 30916 0 (autoclean) |
| 17:07.18 | dracflamloc | goccia: i alreayd do |
| 17:07.22 | botsy | anybody know what's the packet whose contain the command mail ? |
| 17:07.30 | dracflamloc | the thing is, it works, but only if i've started KDE' |
| 17:07.32 | dvs | dracflamloc: That's probably why ALSA failed |
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| 17:08.10 | d301471 | dvs: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 17:08.14 | dracflamloc | hm? |
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| 17:08.45 | dvs | d301471: Ok, so that means the parameters would be in the /etc/modutils directory |
| 17:09.28 | Azar | MastaP has a join pm spam |
| 17:09.31 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 17:09.33 | dracflamloc | after i run modprobe snd-card-0, i get: /snd-opl3sa2.o: init_module: No such device |
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| 17:09.56 | dvs | dracflamloc: But opl3sa2 is already loaded |
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| 17:10.12 | dracflamloc | the oss version? i dont think it is right now |
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| 17:10.23 | goccia | dracflamloc: why are you modprobing ? |
| 17:10.28 | dvs | dracflamloc: lsmod | grep opl3sa2 |
| 17:10.36 | dracflamloc | dvs, nope, its not loaded |
| 17:10.51 | rss | MastaP, is spamming through private message |
| 17:10.51 | goccia | no need for that : is sarge works fine same in woody |
| 17:11.00 | Azar | dracflamloc, maybe because the oss module is loaded instead? |
| 17:11.08 | dvs | Azar: Nope |
| 17:11.12 | dracflamloc | its not listed in lsmod |
| 17:11.29 | Azar | then load the module with modconf? |
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| 17:11.53 | Eulex | there |
| 17:12.08 | krod | yey! |
| 17:12.12 | krod | nasty spammers |
| 17:12.13 | rss | Thank you, who ever got MastaP kicked |
| 17:12.21 | Azar | on this latest pc strangely, alsa modules did not came with Sarge, I had to manually install alsa, then run modconf and pick all snd modules I needed |
| 17:12.31 | Azar | thanks Eulex |
| 17:12.39 | krod | Eulex isn't staff |
| 17:12.40 | Eulex | Azar, *I* didn't |
| 17:12.41 | rss | Thank you Eulex :) |
| 17:12.47 | rss | oh |
| 17:12.47 | Eulex | hrmph |
| 17:12.52 | Azar | whomever did it, thanks thanks |
| 17:12.52 | krod | it was Lorez, i just reported it to him |
| 17:13.23 | goccia | dracflamloc: check /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base and blacklist opl3 opl3sa opl3sa2 |
| 17:13.37 | Azar | so dracflamloc, sometimes, with some hardware, or the way you install/upgrade the system, alsa and its modules will need to be manually picked |
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| 17:13.57 | kart_ | is there any seperate channel for debian-amd64? |
| 17:14.17 | thingfish | kart_: yes, #debian-amd64 |
| 17:14.20 | rss | Thank you LoRez :) |
| 17:14.30 | goccia | dracflamloc: aftre that lsmod will show you snd_opl3sa2 and more |
| 17:14.32 | Azar | my box install and upgrade, sound config went like a charm, this latest box I installed/upgraded for a friend, nope, I had to search for , pick and install manually |
| 17:14.34 | goccia | after* |
| 17:14.36 | kart_ | thingfish, thanks |
| 17:14.38 | LoRez | enough with the highlighting of me to say thanks. it's my job. :) |
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| 17:14.53 | dracflamloc | azar, i just installed alsa-base,alsa-utils,and alsa-modules |
| 17:15.00 | Azar | dracflamloc, yes |
| 17:15.02 | dvs | dracflamloc: and alsa-modules? |
| 17:15.08 | dvs | Opps |
| 17:15.11 | dvs | nwm |
| 17:15.14 | dracflamloc | brb i'm gonna reboot this thing so my system is clean again. the OSS works, but only if i boot kde, i wish i knew why |
| 17:15.19 | Azar | now if you do not see snd_ modules you need to go and pick them manually |
| 17:15.27 | Azar | and ofcourse clean up the oss ones |
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| 17:15.38 | dracflamloc | azar, pick them? |
| 17:15.52 | Azar | dracflamloc, what kernel are you using? |
| 17:15.56 | dracflamloc | 2.4.27 |
| 17:15.59 | Azar | ah |
| 17:16.01 | goccia | dracflamloc: you are loading oss modules : blacklist ìem |
| 17:16.07 | Azar | why not upgrade to 2.6.8? not in Sarge? |
| 17:16.09 | dracflamloc | they are |
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| 17:16.19 | d301471 | dvs: hmm, in modutils is nothing what seems to be sound card, maybe i need to install drivers? |
| 17:16.19 | dracflamloc | i dunno, i'm running on a very old laptop |
| 17:16.39 | dracflamloc | goccia: in that blacklist they are there. |
| 17:16.42 | Azar | dracflamloc, if you run Sarge, better go up to 2.6.8 kernel |
| 17:17.00 | Azar | it gives you a broader list of modules, better support |
| 17:17.01 | dvs | d301471: Then create a file (one that is not the name of a debian package) then run update-modules |
| 17:17.29 | goccia | dracflamloc: are you using a 2.4 kernel ? |
| 17:17.29 | Azar | yes he is |
| 17:17.32 | Eulex | <dracflamloc> 2.4.27 |
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| 17:18.06 | dracflamloc | ok, so i should get a 2.6 kernel then? but would that really benefit such an old computer |
| 17:18.30 | cahoot | goccia: for the mercy of god - he has problems running sound outside kde - why would that force him to upgrade his whole system? |
| 17:18.58 | goccia | cahoot: i don't force him : i never said to upgrade |
| 17:19.01 | Azar | I am trying to open up a new learning chapter about security, and I think I should start with getting familiar with services, what services are running, which ones I do not really need, and how to stop or remove them. Any online HOWTO for me? |
| 17:19.34 | dracflamloc | yea maybe we should stick to getting oss to work, but i'll brb i'm gonan reboot |
| 17:19.36 | goccia | cahoot: if he's using a 2.4 he should not blaklist oss modules :) |
| 17:19.45 | cahoot | goccia: right |
| 17:19.56 | dracflamloc | lol. oh brother =P |
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| 17:20.09 | Eulex | Azar, check out /etc/init.d/ and /etc/rcx.d/ -- then remove the ones you don't need |
| 17:20.23 | Azar | dracflamloc, next time state specs about your system capabilities, otherwise you gonna confuse everyone |
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| 17:20.33 | Azar | thank you Eulex |
| 17:20.58 | cahoot | Azar: you might be interested to know that he actually have done so |
| 17:20.58 | Eulex | Azar, by googling and checking out package names |
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| 17:21.24 | _joey | how do I check if there's file size limit set by kernel ? |
| 17:21.40 | dvs | _joey: it isn't set by the kernel |
| 17:21.42 | _joey | running stable |
| 17:21.49 | goccia | dracflamloc: keep on rolling : opl sounds good in debian ! just be carefull between oss 2.4 2.6 kde /etc/modules and blacklisting :) |
| 17:22.03 | _joey | dvs by what then ? |
| 17:22.12 | dvs | _joey: The file system. |
| 17:22.12 | _joey | fs is part of the kernel |
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| 17:22.16 | Azar | Eulex I am reading an old tutorial, (was written for Woody) is the update-inetd still ok in Sarge, or we got newer tools? |
| 17:22.20 | Eulex | _joey, see /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 17:22.38 | dvs | _joey: or samba-client seems to be the most popular complaint in here. |
| 17:23.02 | Eulex | Azar, still ok |
| 17:23.36 | Azar | excerpt: "You should check if you really need the inetd daemon nowadays. Inetd was always a way to compensate for kernel deficiencies, but those have been taken care of in modern Linux kernels." so nothing has changed , right ? |
| 17:24.03 | Eulex | Azar, don't ask me, but the command still exists |
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| 17:24.35 | _joey | I didn't talk about samba |
| 17:25.23 | mmars | what can I do if my dpkg status file is corrupted? I was doing an update when my computer froze |
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| 17:25.43 | Eulex | mmars, umh, what fs are you using? |
| 17:25.56 | mmars | ext3 |
| 17:26.16 | Eulex | mmars, hmm, ext3 should be able to survive a freeze. |
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| 17:26.24 | mmars | huh |
| 17:26.47 | Eulex | mmars, only thing you can do is try to restore it in some way. |
| 17:27.03 | mmars | so if i don't have a backup i'm pretty much fsck'd? |
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| 17:27.28 | Eulex | mmars, not 100%, but you've brought yourself problems |
| 17:27.37 | Azar | ok cool I can see all services, where I can find out / read / study which services I could safely disable? |
| 17:27.46 | mmars | mmm.. i see.. |
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| 17:28.12 | faif | any apache channel? |
| 17:28.33 | blondie | yes |
| 17:28.40 | blondie | 20 guesses at its name. |
| 17:28.42 | mmars | thank you. |
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| 17:28.59 | kepht | How to get "eeprom" module for i2c compiled, can't find it in 2.6.14 kernel config? |
| 17:29.03 | petemc | mmars: there should be a status-old file, or there are various ways to try and rebuiild it |
| 17:29.17 | dvs | kepht: It's there. I had to add it recently. |
| 17:29.25 | faif | is there a channel about apache? |
| 17:29.35 | jan2 | try #apache |
| 17:29.35 | kepht | dvs, can't find it with grep |
| 17:29.41 | cahoot | kepht: hit / in menuconfig and search |
| 17:29.49 | kart_ | faif, #apache |
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| 17:30.20 | Eulex | mmars, wait a few minutes, I'm testing a thing... |
| 17:30.26 | mmars | petemc: thank you |
| 17:30.32 | mmars | ok.. waiting |
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| 17:32.04 | Atarimaster | i need help getting debian to find my proxim 802.11b pcmcia card |
| 17:32.05 | Eulex | mmars, deleting it and doing apt-get update may fix it... I'm testing it by renaming my status file... in the meanwhile you could take a look at your status-old file to see if it's ok or not. |
| 17:32.45 | Eulex | mmars, no, I was wrong... look for your status-old file. |
| 17:32.45 | kepht | cahoot, dvs: in menuconfig, it points to misc. i2c chip support, but the branch is dead (even with i2c support <M>) |
| 17:32.47 | dvs | kepht: CONFIG_SENSORS_EEPROM |
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| 17:33.36 | mmars | Eulex: thank you for checking, I will try that |
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| 17:33.58 | kepht | dvs, exactly where should i add that tag? |
| 17:34.37 | dvs | kepht: I'd be dangerous just to add the tag because it could depend on something else |
| 17:34.51 | kepht | well ... |
| 17:35.00 | kepht | hows come its not there? |
| 17:35.29 | dvs | kepht: Because it probably needs another option enabled |
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| 17:35.54 | dracflamloc | hello again |
| 17:36.00 | dracflamloc | i just totoally removed alsa |
| 17:36.09 | dracflamloc | so we can get back to the original problem =) |
| 17:36.37 | dracflamloc | so for completeness. problem is that my oss opl3sa2 dosent produce sound unless i load KDE |
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| 17:36.46 | dvs | kepht: Ah! It's an experimental option |
| 17:37.09 | dvs | dracflamloc: Install ALSA :-> |
| 17:37.12 | dracflamloc | the dmesg error is: opl3sa2: Control I/O port 0x370 not free |
| 17:37.17 | dvs | dracflamloc: Just kidding |
| 17:37.17 | kepht | dvs, k |
| 17:37.20 | dracflamloc | ;) |
| 17:37.52 | dvs | dracflamloc: Maybe your sound is at another port |
| 17:37.57 | dracflamloc | so obviously 370 isnt available. but what is it that kde does that makes it work all of a sudden |
| 17:38.09 | cahoot | sets a mixer? |
| 17:38.58 | dracflamloc | so how might i do that myself? |
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| 17:39.12 | dvs | dracflamloc: aumix? |
| 17:39.40 | goccia | dracflamloc: i have my old notes |
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| 17:39.57 | goccia | dracflamloc: modprobe mpu401 |
| 17:40.08 | goccia | dracflamloc: keep on rolling : opl sounds good in debian ! just hold on |
| 17:40.16 | goccia | dracflamloc: sorry |
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| 17:40.21 | aimtrainer | HI! I deleted a folder and a file on my Desktop as root. Now they're still being displayed although when deleting them it sais they wouldn't exist O_O. In konquror they are not displayed. Refreshing the desktop doesn't help 8[ |
| 17:40.27 | goccia | dracflamloc: modprobe ad 1848 |
| 17:40.31 | holo | hi anyone knows if Asus WL-520G router has some kind of unix as OS? |
| 17:41.01 | dracflamloc | goccia: cannot locate module 1848 |
| 17:41.07 | Eulex | aimtrainer, in what are they still displayed? |
| 17:41.08 | dvs | ad1848 |
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| 17:41.22 | dracflamloc | k, i did that |
| 17:41.24 | goccia | dracflamloc: modprobe opl3sa2 io=0x370 mss_io=0x530 mpu_io=0x330 irq=5 DMA=0 DMA2=1 |
| 17:41.47 | goccia | dracflamloc: modprobe opl3 io=0x388 |
| 17:41.54 | goccia | dracflamloc: that's it |
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| 17:41.59 | dracflamloc | k i'll try |
| 17:42.00 | yukito | hi |
| 17:42.11 | yukito | I have a question |
| 17:42.23 | Eulex | yukito, just ask it |
| 17:42.32 | yukito | All these debian versions have a name |
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| 17:42.44 | dvs | yes. next question |
| 17:42.48 | yukito | I installed sarge before it was released |
| 17:43.04 | yukito | and I'm running unstable/testing packages |
| 17:43.09 | goccia | dracflamloc: i think you can find all above in google . just to double check |
| 17:43.27 | yukito | do I have to do something to upgrade to sid/etch? |
| 17:43.44 | kepht | dvs,cahoot, thanks! |
| 17:43.49 | dvs | yukito: If you're running unstable, you're running sid |
| 17:43.53 | yukito | want to be running the most bleeding edge packages available for debian |
| 17:43.54 | yukito | ok |
| 17:43.55 | dvs | kepht: no problem |
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| 17:44.09 | dvs | !iyhtays yukito |
| 17:44.09 | dpkg | yukito: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 17:44.45 | goccia | dracflamloc: module 1848 >> modprobe AD 1848 ? |
| 17:44.50 | cahoot | dvs: does that go for installing linux too? |
| 17:44.50 | yukito | is it normal the latest version for the ati drivers is only 8.19 instead of 8.20? |
| 17:45.10 | dvs | cahoot: it depends on the linux. |
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| 17:45.55 | yukito | dvs: I moved from gentoo to debian. I know my linux. I just don't know my debian. |
| 17:46.26 | Shadowcat | sid isn't supported here |
| 17:46.29 | Shadowcat | if you want to run sid |
| 17:46.33 | Shadowcat | you're gonna have to RTFM on it |
| 17:46.41 | Tortel | D: |
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| 17:46.54 | ladyisabel77 | !it |
| 17:46.54 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 17:47.06 | yukito | yes but my only problem is the outdated malfunctioning ati driver |
| 17:47.19 | yang | is there any good easy to read manual for linux newbies? |
| 17:47.19 | Shadowcat | yukito: so download the latest one off ati's website |
| 17:47.30 | Shadowcat | and stop whining about it |
| 17:47.30 | Eulex | yukito, run stable until you know well how the debian package system works |
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| 17:47.44 | yukito | those don't work with direct rendering |
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| 17:47.52 | Eulex | Shadda, no, don't. he should get it from flavio stanchina. |
| 17:47.58 | robin_sz | direct rendering is the work of the devil |
| 17:48.02 | Shadowcat | yukito: then find a version that does |
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| 17:48.14 | yukito | the stable packages are to outdated for some of the software I use |
| 17:48.15 | Eulex | yukito, you want xorg 7.0, mesa 6.4 and dri from cvs? |
| 17:48.17 | dino4k | does someone know a 'network paint' - i want to draw a picture togther with a mate |
| 17:48.40 | yukito | I would prefer the DRI drivers, yes. Are you going to send me to the driwiki page? |
| 17:48.58 | Shadowcat | no |
| 17:49.00 | Eulex | yukito, you will have to compile all that stuff yourself. |
| 17:49.07 | yukito | I don't mind |
| 17:49.07 | bizkit | dino4k: never heard of such a tool |
| 17:49.17 | yukito | but I did before and they didn't work |
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| 17:49.27 | yukito | they worked on gentoo |
| 17:49.30 | yukito | but not on debian |
| 17:49.33 | Eulex | yukito, and if something breaks, there's no support. but you get to keep the pieces. |
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| 17:49.45 | Glanzmann | What is the easiest way to build ATI drivers for a custom on kernel a) on Sarge and b) on Testing? |
| 17:49.45 | Eulex | yukito, they do work on debian. |
| 17:49.49 | bizkit | if you break it... you own both pieces? :-) |
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| 17:50.04 | Shadowcat | this is why I don't buy ATI hardware |
| 17:50.08 | Shadowcat | I keep to nvidia |
| 17:50.11 | Shadowcat | saves me a lot of hair |
| 17:50.12 | yukito | yes I know they do, they just didn't on my pc and I wasn't patient enough |
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| 17:50.25 | Shadowcat | yukito: if you're not patient you shouldn't be running sid |
| 17:50.36 | yukito | I want nvidia, but replacing a video card is harder than compiling a driver on a laptop |
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| 17:50.47 | Shadowcat | then get to work |
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| 17:50.58 | yukito | I am patient, I just didn't have the time at that time |
| 17:51.01 | Eulex | Glanzmann, download the ati kernel source and m-a a-i it. |
| 17:51.01 | robin_sz | yukito: let me explain. the stuff in stable works. The stuff in testing probably doesnt work. The stuff not even in testing but just out ther on the web is anyones guess. theres absolutely ZERO point coming along and going "ooh, tried someting in Sid and it didn;t work" because we'll just go "yeah, we dont expect it to" |
| 17:51.05 | hyperactivecrond | err how does one get openmotif? |
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| 17:51.40 | Shadowcat | and the stuff in experimental |
| 17:51.41 | yukito | lesstif2 replaces openmotif |
| 17:51.42 | Shadowcat | don't even go there |
| 17:51.44 | Eulex | hyperactivecrond, apt-get install libmotif3? |
| 17:51.50 | avalente | hi. off-topic question... what's the VAT rate in the UK for hotels? |
| 17:51.59 | Shadowcat | avalente: go check some travel website |
| 17:52.02 | Eulex | avalente, lol, are you kidding? :)))) |
| 17:52.04 | Glanzmann | Eulex: Is m-a also available for sarge? |
| 17:52.15 | Shadowcat | Glanzmann: packages.debian.org |
| 17:52.17 | Shadowcat | go check |
| 17:52.28 | hyperactivecrond | Eulex: no... |
| 17:52.42 | sonyman|afk | whats the difference between apt-file and apt-cache? |
| 17:52.48 | Eulex | Glanzmann, should be. but you'll have to get the kernel sources manually from stanchina's site |
| 17:52.56 | yukito | are the dri drivers any good these days? |
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| 17:53.14 | yukito | they only got me 60% performance of the ati drivers back on gentoo |
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| 17:53.29 | Glanzmann | Looks good. |
| 17:53.37 | hyperactivecrond | yay i got it... lesstif2 did it! |
| 17:53.39 | hyperactivecrond | for opera |
| 17:53.40 | Eulex | sonyman, one searches for files, the other searches in package descriptions among other things |
| 17:53.41 | hyperactivecrond | 8 |
| 17:53.45 | hyperactivecrond | under sarge |
| 17:53.45 | yukito | :) |
| 17:53.47 | Glanzmann | Eulex: I use my own kernel anyway. |
| 17:53.57 | bizkit | !info module-assistant sarge |
| 17:54.01 | sonyman | thanks Eulex |
| 17:54.11 | Eulex | yukito, well, as it's not in debian, you can't expect debian people to know |
| 17:54.13 | hyperactivecrond | !operamotiferror is Opera needs motif... which is replaced by lesstif2.. do apt-get install lesstif2 and restart opera... |
| 17:54.13 | dpkg | hyperactivecrond: okay |
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| 17:54.22 | Eulex | Glanzmann, well, I meant the kernel module sources |
| 17:54.29 | yukito | what do you mean? no debian users running DRI? |
| 17:54.36 | dpkg | module-assistant: (tool to make module package creation easier), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.9sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 380 kB |
| 17:54.38 | hyperactivecrond | uhoh... Adobe got macromedia |
| 17:55.00 | Glanzmann | Eulex: I see. |
| 17:55.06 | goccia | seagate eat maxtor |
| 17:55.07 | Eulex | yukito, yes there are, but debian does only have the version that *doesn't* support r300 and r400 |
| 17:55.25 | yukito | I have an ancient r280 |
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| 17:55.41 | yukito | as long as I got 3D acceleration I'm satisfied |
| 17:55.54 | yukito | I just want to run ET and planeshift |
| 17:55.55 | Eulex | yukito, then the open source drivers in debian should work. |
| 17:56.09 | yukito | the radeon driver? |
| 17:56.11 | Trigger13 | Eulex, i have a r300 with Debian |
| 17:56.16 | yukito | Driver = "radeon"? |
| 17:56.19 | Eulex | yukito, what's the name of the card, btw? 9200? |
| 17:56.24 | goccia | dracflamloc: any good news ? your card works for sure in : kde gnome xfce |
| 17:56.27 | Eulex | Trigger13, and? |
| 17:56.28 | Trigger13 | yuki, yes |
| 17:56.33 | Shadowcat | yukito: why are you editing the xorg.conf manually? |
| 17:56.35 | Trigger13 | Eulex, and i have 3d acceleration |
| 17:56.36 | yukito | yes, 9200 (M9+, which is a mobility) |
| 17:56.38 | goccia | dracflamloc: and freebsd too |
| 17:56.46 | Eulex | Trigger13, and what driver are you using? |
| 17:56.50 | Trigger13 | radeon |
| 17:57.01 | Trigger13 | not the binary ati thing |
| 17:57.02 | yukito | Because I'm more comfortable with doing it manually |
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| 17:57.10 | yukito | besides, touchpad etc didn't work out of the box |
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| 17:57.21 | Eulex | Trigger13, and you haven't got xorg 6.9+, mesa 6.4 and dri from cvs? |
| 17:57.24 | Shadowcat | yukito: there's a bloody reason xserver-xorg comes with a debonf configuration system |
| 17:57.26 | Shadowcat | USE IT |
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| 17:57.42 | yukito | Eulex: and do I need any options with that driver? |
| 17:57.47 | tmorton | How can I extract a deb file? |
| 17:57.47 | yukito | Shadowcat: How? |
| 17:57.52 | Eulex | yukito, I don't think so |
| 17:58.00 | Shadowcat | yukito: by answering the questions when it prompts you to |
| 17:58.02 | tmorton | using ar and tar, preferrebly |
| 17:58.10 | Shadowcat | and answering them properly |
| 17:58.11 | Eulex | yukito, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg/xserver-xfree86 |
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| 17:58.25 | yukito | Well when I used the config the system gave me, 3D acceleration and touchpad didn't work |
| 17:58.33 | Shadowcat | then you configure it again |
| 17:58.47 | Eulex | tmorton, extract the raw contents of it or extract the files that the package would install? |
| 17:58.50 | Shadowcat | and if that doesn't work you start fine tuning the file debconf made |
| 17:59.02 | free_as_in_freed | Some help guys: I've got a lan network, a modem-router and I web server |
| 17:59.10 | free_as_in_freed | Some help guys: I've got a lan network, a modem-router and a web server |
| 17:59.13 | Shadowcat | with a card that old it's probably more due to pebkac than an actual XOrg problem |
| 17:59.18 | tmorton | Eulex: files |
| 17:59.28 | Shadowcat | synaptics touchpads work just fine in the latest X |
| 17:59.29 | Eulex | tmorton, dpkg -X |
| 17:59.33 | Shadowcat | and as Eulex just said |
| 17:59.39 | Shadowcat | the radeon driver works as well |
| 17:59.46 | robin_sz | free_as_in_freed: congratualtions |
| 17:59.47 | free_as_in_freed | I bought a static ip and I when I enter it I am redirected to the router's configuration page |
| 17:59.47 | tmorton | Eulex: Any way to do it without dpkg? |
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| 18:00.07 | free_as_in_freed | I want to be redirected to the web server's main webpage (my company's webpage) |
| 18:00.10 | free_as_in_freed | any ideas? |
| 18:00.10 | Eulex | tmorton, I think you could ar x the file and then extract one of the files that got extracted |
| 18:00.18 | Shadowcat | free_as_in_freed: this is offtopic |
| 18:00.27 | yukito | Eulex: radeon doesnt show in the menu, only "ati" |
| 18:00.34 | Shadowcat | then select ati |
| 18:00.37 | Eulex | yukito, ati == radeon |
| 18:00.46 | Shadowcat | actually |
| 18:00.46 | yukito | ok |
| 18:00.58 | Shadowcat | he isn't gonna get a debconf xorg out of dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:00.59 | yukito | well I thought there were two drivers: ati and radoen |
| 18:01.03 | Shadowcat | since he edited the files manually |
| 18:01.11 | Shadowcat | he's gonna have to replace the xmd5 hash first |
| 18:01.12 | dvs | yukito: There are |
| 18:01.16 | robin_sz | free_as_in_freed: well, you shuold probabyl go read the manual for the router, it will explain how to set it up. Note that lookign from INSIDE you may get the router config page from OUTSIDE you may get somehting else ... |
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| 18:01.24 | yukito | which is better? ati or radeon? |
| 18:01.27 | dvs | yukito: But ati will load radeon if necessary |
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| 18:01.31 | yukito | ah ok |
| 18:01.35 | moi1392 | hello, I have a little problem with the integration of amarok in konqueror. |
| 18:01.44 | Eulex | yukito, so ati is the safe bet |
| 18:02.09 | Shadowcat | ok this is rediculus |
| 18:02.14 | moi1392 | when I do a fresh install of debian sid (kde 3.4.3) I get amarok in the sidebar of konqueror. |
| 18:02.15 | tmorton | Eulex: thanks, ar x <file> tar -xvzf data.tar.bz |
| 18:02.18 | Shadowcat | I've been downloading AC'97 drivers at 3k all day |
| 18:02.20 | tmorton | s/bz/gz/ |
| 18:02.21 | dracflamloc | goccia, i can't get it to work,=( i'm about to give up. i dont see why 0x370 is in use. i found a debian tutorial for this portege 3010ct and it says to use it. |
| 18:02.24 | robin_sz | Shadowcat: no, its ridiculous |
| 18:02.33 | Shadowcat | yaya |
| 18:02.34 | moi1392 | but when I upgrade from 3.4.2 to 3.4.3 I don't have it |
| 18:02.35 | Shadowcat | rediculous |
| 18:02.37 | EssE | Hi. My PS/2 mouse doesn't work in X (KDE) using Sarge 3.01 |
| 18:02.41 | Shadowcat | you get what I mean |
| 18:02.45 | Shadowcat | moi1392: sid isn't supported |
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| 18:02.53 | Shadowcat | !sid |
| 18:02.54 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 18:02.58 | Shadowcat | for crying out loud |
| 18:03.15 | Eulex | !drxx EssE |
| 18:03.16 | dpkg | EssE: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:03.23 | goccia | dracflamloc: never give up ! debian will get it working for you : take your time and believe me : thata cards worked in woody as a charm and it work in sarge same way ! |
| 18:03.31 | moi1392 | Shadowcat => I know that, I only want to know if this should be report as a bug, because it's a very very very minor problem |
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| 18:04.01 | secher | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.06 | Shadowcat | moi1392: bugs.debian.org |
| 18:04.07 | Shadowcat | check |
| 18:04.09 | robin_sz | moi1392: there are NO bugs in Sid. |
| 18:04.12 | goccia | dracflamloc: i'm using it right now ! |
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| 18:04.22 | john2 | Hello All |
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| 18:04.38 | Shadowcat | there are tons of bugs in the packages that go into sid though |
| 18:04.44 | Shadowcat | and why that is should be obvious |
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| 18:05.08 | yukito | going to restart X, see if I got 3D |
| 18:05.10 | robin_sz | Shadowcat: not really, things dotn work, butthey are not supposed to .. so they aint bugs |
| 18:05.23 | yukito | the touchpad wasn't detected and the driver wasn't in the list either |
| 18:05.28 | dvs | !pal robin_sz |
| 18:05.30 | Spec[gone] | Can anyone recommend a good webserver benchmarking tool? |
| 18:05.43 | robin_sz | Spec: ab |
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| 18:05.51 | yukito | so the "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" isn't gonna replace manual editing :( |
| 18:05.55 | moi1392 | robin_sz : may be I misunderstood what is really sid, but I already report some bug and package mainteners were ok |
| 18:05.56 | yukito | brb with the results |
| 18:06.13 | Covener | Spec: apache flood might be worth a shot |
| 18:06.25 | secher | moil392: you did rightly. |
| 18:06.28 | john2 | Can someone help me out with find a good chat program commanline hopefully. |
| 18:06.32 | john2 | Please! |
| 18:06.33 | EssE | In my XF86Config I have protocol PS/2 and ps/aux as device. It worked all the time till I got 3.1. So perhaps the problem lies somewhere deeper. Also the X Server doesn't report me that the mouse had an error. |
| 18:06.38 | Eulex | moi1392, well, that's what you should do. what you shouldn't do is ask here. |
| 18:06.38 | Spec | apache flood? |
| 18:06.47 | free_as_in_freed | robin_sz: can you try it please? the address is 192.92.255.110 |
| 18:06.47 | dvs | john2: everyone like irrsi for some reason |
| 18:06.50 | Covener | Spec: http://httpd.apache.org/test/flood/ |
| 18:06.56 | Spec | robin_sz: ab? |
| 18:06.59 | john2 | I'am sorry. |
| 18:07.01 | free_as_in_freed | robin_sz: can you try it please? the address is 192.92.255.110 |
| 18:07.08 | john2 | I mean a yahoo/aim client |
| 18:07.12 | robin_sz | Spec: ab is the Apache benchmark command, its a flexible benchmorking progrma .. you need to be root to run it |
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| 18:07.18 | Eulex | john, centericq, pork |
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| 18:07.26 | john2 | pork? |
| 18:07.38 | free_as_in_freed | robin_sz: can you try it please? the address is 193.92.255.110 |
| 18:07.48 | valdyn | moi1392: there's appropriate tags for minor bugs too, down to just 'wishlist' |
| 18:07.50 | john2 | do you happen to know a url to pork? |
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| 18:08.08 | Eulex | john2, it's apt-gettable |
| 18:08.18 | robin_sz | free_as_in_freed: no connection ... you need to create a NAT rule to redirect incoming connections to port 80 onto the webserver machine |
| 18:08.20 | john2 | okay, thanks ^_^ |
| 18:08.38 | Spec | robin_sz: i'd run that on a computer that's not the webserver, correct? |
| 18:08.44 | Tortel | !repeat |
| 18:08.44 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:09.15 | john2 | the lastest centericq (Aim has change it's protocal again) is under the unstable branch. |
| 18:09.22 | john2 | sucks |
| 18:09.32 | robin_sz | Spec: run it on the webserver if you just want to benchmark the webserver/application, over the network if you want to include all network bottlenecks |
| 18:09.41 | moi1392 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:10.35 | kombi | do you need to run some command to activate changed settings for grub? |
| 18:10.43 | kombi | like you do in lilo...? |
| 18:10.48 | Eulex | kombi, no |
| 18:10.52 | dvs | kombi: update-grub |
| 18:11.18 | robin_sz | not grub-install /dev/hda ?? |
| 18:11.22 | kombi | dvs - Eulex: who of you is more right.. |
| 18:11.29 | kombi | ;) |
| 18:11.33 | goccia | EssE: do you have psmouse in /etc/modules ? |
| 18:11.44 | dvs | kombi: Did you change where grub is installed? |
| 18:11.52 | kombi | nope.. |
| 18:11.56 | Covener | You only have to update anything when you've got new grub binaries or change your boot device -- all the boot choices are read at boot time from the menu.lst |
| 18:12.01 | Eulex | kombi, both. you don't have to, other than when you install a new kernel without dpkg knowing about it, then you need to run update-grub |
| 18:12.16 | dvs | kombi: Then update-grub |
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| 18:12.53 | free_as_in_freed | robin_sz: can you help me with the option please: NAT Rule Information |
| 18:12.54 | free_as_in_freed | Rule Flavor: BASICFILTERNAPTBIMAPRDRPASS |
| 18:12.54 | free_as_in_freed | Rule ID: |
| 18:12.54 | free_as_in_freed | IF Name: ALLeth-0veth-0veth-1ppp-0ppp-1ppp-2ppp-3ppp-4ppp-5ppp-6ppp-7ppp-8ppp-9ppp-10ppp-11ppp-12ppp-13ppp-14ppp-15ppp-16ppp-17ppp-18ppp-19ppp-20ppp-21ppp-22ppp-23eoa-0eoa-1eoa-2eoa-3eoa-4eoa-5eoa-6eoa-7usb-0ipoa-0ipoa-1ipoa-2ipoa-3ipoa-4ipoa-5ipoa-6ipoa-7 |
| 18:12.54 | free_as_in_freed | Protocol: ANYTCPUDPICMP123456789101112131415161718192021222324252627282930313233343536373839404142434445464748495051525354555657585960616263646566676869707172737475767778798081828384858687888990919293949596979899100101102103104105106107108109110111112113114115116117118119120121122123124125126127128129130131132133134135136137138139140141142143144145146147148149150151152153154155156157158159160161162163164165166167168169170171172173174 |
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| 18:13.00 | kombi | I see.., strange thing is, I changed the default kernel in menu.lst but still the other one tries to boot at reboot |
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| 18:13.56 | faif | robin_sz: can you help me with the configuration options please? NAT Rule Information |
| 18:13.56 | faif | Rule Flavor: BASICFILTERNAPTBIMAPRDRPASS |
| 18:13.56 | faif | Rule ID: |
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| 18:15.04 | tarzeau | Eulex, takatumi: new levels! http://bub-n-bros.sf.net join now! |
| 18:15.04 | nayyres | hello |
| 18:15.10 | Eulex | kombi, that is, when you don't dpkg -i it or apt-get it |
| 18:15.16 | robin_sz | kombi: that will write the new grubby buts to the boot partition and you will be happy (ish) |
| 18:15.17 | DarkOppressor | hey repp, you there? |
| 18:15.34 | MyWay | Hi, i have a Camera: Trust SpyC@m 300s, wich program can i use for test it? |
| 18:15.52 | Eulex | MyWay, chipset? |
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| 18:15.58 | nayyres | is there any replace to MSWORD, i am sick of OpenOffice it is really dam slow. i need a thin and fast replace to MSWORD :( |
| 18:15.59 | john2 | problem number two.. anyone know of a yahoo client? |
| 18:16.02 | MyWay | Eulex: I don't know :( |
| 18:16.06 | MyWay | How can i know it? |
| 18:16.07 | sonyman | nayyres, abiword? |
| 18:16.08 | Covener | MyWay: gtkam / gphoto2 -- may need to mess with usb permissions |
| 18:16.13 | john2 | A commandline one? |
| 18:16.32 | Covener | john2: apt-cache search yahoo |
| 18:16.50 | john2 | you can search apt? |
| 18:16.56 | nayyres | sonyman, i am at p-III (600) + 128 MB(RAM), i need really thin one :) |
| 18:16.59 | john2 | I'am a totaly newbie. |
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| 18:17.29 | john2 | abiword is great |
| 18:17.34 | MyWay | I'm installing gtkam, i'll try it. |
| 18:17.39 | kombi | Eulex - robin_sc: you may both spank me now... the damn conf file was unchanged...hrmpf.. |
| 18:17.45 | Eulex | nayyres, I've run abiword at a p2 300 with 64mb ram |
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| 18:17.49 | Eulex | !spank kombi |
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| 18:17.57 | kombi | outch! |
| 18:17.59 | john2 | i like nano for simple text tho. and beaver for write php. |
| 18:18.05 | Spec | john2: I think 'gaim' can do yahoo |
| 18:18.10 | drivamgr2006 | !beer kombi |
| 18:18.17 | drivamgr2006 | that should take the pain awy |
| 18:18.17 | nayyres | sonyman, it has same facilities as MSWORD? |
| 18:18.24 | Spec | abiword? |
| 18:18.25 | sonyman | nayyres, for the most part |
| 18:18.34 | john2 | Spec, i want a commandline app because i have avery little cpu/ram to work with. |
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| 18:18.39 | Spec | oo.org is better, but slower |
| 18:18.44 | sonyman | nayyres, if you have a decent connection, try it out |
| 18:18.45 | john2 | gaim would kill me. |
| 18:18.46 | goccia | yahoo ? there is a deb for it |
| 18:18.53 | Spec | john2: ah, hmm, naim is a good curses client for aim, not sure about yahoo command line |
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| 18:19.04 | biblio | k |
| 18:19.14 | john2 | pork is awesome, much like irssi |
| 18:19.15 | Spec | i doubt naim supports y! :p |
| 18:19.15 | kombi | drifamgr2006: good one! I'll have one in a minute.. |
| 18:19.22 | Covener | john2: bitlbee + irssi + screen is a nice combination |
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| 18:19.36 | Spec | bitlbee? |
| 18:19.37 | john2 | bitlbee? |
| 18:19.49 | Spec | !bitlbee |
| 18:19.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, bitlbee is an irc to other chat networks gateway, connect to irc, icq, msn, jabber, aim, etc... with your favorite irc client! |
| 18:19.55 | Covener | It proxies all the chat protocols and makes them look like IRC |
| 18:19.55 | MyWay | I installed gtkam, but my camera isn't in the list of the program. |
| 18:19.59 | MyWay | What can i do? |
| 18:20.04 | Covener | MyWay: autodetect |
| 18:20.06 | Spec | that's damn cool :p |
| 18:20.11 | MyWay | Covener: how? |
| 18:20.23 | Covener | MyWay: I believe gtkam has a button for that (worked for me) |
| 18:20.37 | MyWay | I haven't a button autodetect |
| 18:20.48 | Covener | MyWay: camera->rescan? |
| 18:21.04 | MyWay | yes i have |
| 18:21.05 | Covener | sorry, camera->add camera->detect |
| 18:21.12 | bizkit | can anyone suggest me some small fungames that can run in a window and don't need much attention with network multiplayer support? for example tetrinet.. |
| 18:21.15 | john2 | ^_^ centericq will work |
| 18:21.16 | MyWay | oh, yes. |
| 18:21.19 | john2 | thanks alot guys. |
| 18:21.39 | MyWay | Covener: i press on detect it find another model, i press apply, and it says could not initialize the camera |
| 18:21.44 | goccia | bizkit: hahah i guess you are looking for a bubble game :) |
| 18:21.50 | kombi | one other thing that strikes me: what's with that deb-sys-maintainer? |
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| 18:21.53 | Spec | frozen-bubbles needs to be multiplayer |
| 18:21.59 | goccia | is very popular in here |
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| 18:22.13 | Covener | MyWay: time to do some research on gphoto2 support of your camera (that's the guts of gtkam) |
| 18:22.16 | dvs | goccia: no shit! ;-) |
| 18:22.26 | goccia | dvs: :) |
| 18:22.34 | dvs | "don't kill the monster. Get the banana instead!" |
| 18:22.35 | MyWay | I search gphoto2 |
| 18:22.38 | drivamgr2006 | I prefer klickety myself... frozen bubble is too easy |
| 18:22.54 | Spec | klickety? |
| 18:22.59 | Spec | frozen bubble is pretty easy, no doubt |
| 18:23.01 | Spec | but addictively fun |
| 18:23.18 | dracflamloc | ok, goccia, dvs, i got back to the point where sound works in kde but not otherwise |
| 18:23.25 | sussi | do u have a link to klickety? pls |
| 18:23.33 | rvalles_ | sussi: easy is relñative |
| 18:23.41 | drivamgr2006 | Its part of kdegames |
| 18:23.51 | rvalles_ | sussi: you can make it harder, harder and even harder... |
| 18:24.01 | drivamgr2006 | you should be able to apt-get it in a package. try apt-get install kdegames |
| 18:24.01 | dvs | dracflamloc: Try a console mixer like aumix |
| 18:24.04 | MyWay | I installed gphoto2 now, but it doesn't start. |
| 18:24.06 | rvalles_ | sussi: and at some point it will be not easy anymore... |
| 18:24.11 | EssE | exit |
| 18:24.12 | EssE | q |
| 18:24.15 | dvs | !exit |
| 18:24.15 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 18:24.19 | EssE | !exit |
| 18:24.23 | drivamgr2006 | type /quit |
| 18:24.30 | dracflamloc | dvs, what do you mean try? i run aumix and it shows the volume controls for my device just fine |
| 18:24.34 | drivamgr2006 | pillock... |
| 18:24.36 | drivamgr2006 | :) |
| 18:24.36 | rvalles_ | I personally prefer puyopuyo & clones |
| 18:24.46 | drivamgr2006 | I also like Supertux... |
| 18:24.49 | dvs | dracflamloc: What are you trying to play? |
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| 18:24.51 | robin_sz | MyWay: from what I remember , gphoto2 is just a comms library fro cameras |
| 18:24.54 | sussi | i played through, at the end only random maps nothing esp |
| 18:24.55 | dracflamloc | dvs, i' |
| 18:25.00 | MyWay | Oh. |
| 18:25.06 | dracflamloc | m just using xmms with OSS seelcted to play a wav file |
| 18:25.12 | drivamgr2006 | One level buggers me right up though. I can't get past the level called Oh no, more snowballs. |
| 18:25.15 | robin_sz | MyWay: theres a matching Gtk app to go with it called something else I thnik |
| 18:25.22 | dracflamloc | it works in kde. i go back to gnome or flux and it doesnt work anymore |
| 18:25.24 | dvs | dracflamloc: And that works? |
| 18:25.38 | dvs | dracflamloc: Are you still in KDE when you go back? |
| 18:25.46 | robin_sz | fsck, Im being too helpful today .. I must be ill |
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| 18:26.01 | MyWay | So, how can i make my camera working? |
| 18:26.01 | dracflamloc | no. i log out of kde and login to gnome, and xmms no longer can play |
| 18:26.07 | goccia | dracflamloc: wgat about kde sound system ? is it on ? |
| 18:26.12 | goccia | what* |
| 18:26.14 | dracflamloc | nah its off |
| 18:26.19 | goccia | good :) |
| 18:26.32 | b0xy | how can I find out what my IP is? |
| 18:26.35 | b0xy | command |
| 18:26.40 | dracflamloc | something kde does makes the sound card start working... i just dunno what |
| 18:26.47 | drivamgr2006 | www.whatismyip.com b0xy |
| 18:26.56 | b0xy | a debian command |
| 18:27.03 | goccia | dracflamloc: check lsmod | grep opl |
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| 18:27.24 | MyWay | Is there someone that know how to make my camera working? |
| 18:27.29 | DarkOppressor | im configurung xorg, can anyone tell me what i should select for my mouse, if its a usb one? |
| 18:27.34 | LSD` | !nfs |
| 18:27.35 | dpkg | i guess nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 18:27.42 | drivamgr2006 | that site will tell you as well though. I dont know debian well enough to advise you further b0xy |
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| 18:28.16 | dracflamloc | goccia: it shows a few lines of stuff, the numbers next to them are all 0 though. in kde however, they are usually 1 or more |
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| 18:28.41 | MyWay | Someone that can help me? |
| 18:28.46 | goccia | dracflamloc: you need ad1848 loaded |
| 18:28.53 | dracflamloc | its loaded |
| 18:28.56 | dvs | DarkOppressor: Try /dev/input/mice |
| 18:29.05 | DarkOppressor | ok thanks dvs |
| 18:29.08 | dracflamloc | ad1848 21420 0 [opl3sa2] |
| 18:29.16 | dvs | DarkOppressor: no problem |
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| 18:29.29 | robin_sz | DarkOppressor: and dont confuse them with the output mice |
| 18:29.32 | MyWay | Nobody here has a Camera? |
| 18:29.44 | robin_sz | MyWay: yes, i do. |
| 18:29.48 | dracflamloc | sound 53384 0 [opl3 opl3sa2 mpu401 ad1848] |
| 18:29.48 | DarkOppressor | there are output mice? |
| 18:29.48 | ice_1963 | myway ok what? |
| 18:29.50 | Malagmyr | Dammit! Why can't I ever get access to a box where the root password is "god"? I thought system administrators loved to use "god" as their password! It's their whole ego thing or something... Stupid american movies. |
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| 18:30.02 | MyWay | I have a Trust SpyC@m 300s, how can i make it works? |
| 18:30.16 | MyWay | I installed gtkam and gphoto2 also. |
| 18:30.25 | robin_sz | MyWay: is it supported by gphoto2? |
| 18:30.30 | MyWay | i don't know |
| 18:30.33 | MyWay | how can i know it? |
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| 18:30.54 | robin_sz | why not look in the website for the gphoto2 project at the supported cameras? |
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| 18:31.04 | MyWay | Ok, thanks. |
| 18:31.38 | DarkOppressor | lol |
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| 18:32.05 | dracflamloc | goccia: when i run kmix, btw, i shows up the opl card just fine, but when i try and open the volume control in gnome it says "no devices/mixers found" |
| 18:32.06 | MyWay | robin_sz: it support "Trust Spyc@m 500F FLASH" (TESTING) but mine is 300S not 500F. |
| 18:32.20 | robin_sz | well, you're fucked then |
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| 18:32.35 | robin_sz | MyWay: it *might* work though ... |
| 18:32.39 | drivamgr2006 | Thats a good signoff ZombB - Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy??? |
| 18:32.42 | Eulex | MyWay, you could check if selecting 500f might work |
| 18:32.47 | The_Ball | does anybody know a way to access a block device on a different host? |
| 18:33.01 | goccia | dracflamloc: to get opl working in oss is really easy , more difficult was two years ago doing alsa in sid, i never had problems in kde gnome xfce , today i'm on sarge 2.6.8 and i really did nothing but alsaconf which get the cards only if opl3sa2 is in /etc/modulkes and as i told you in blaklist : so when you'll be ready for a 2.6 and for alsa you know what to do :) |
| 18:33.27 | MyWay | Eulex: i tried it on gtkam that support this cam |
| 18:33.30 | MyWay | but it doesn't work |
| 18:33.40 | dracflamloc | goccia, dunno why but it seems to be givnig me hell |
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| 18:33.47 | robin_sz | well, you have your answer |
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| 18:33.58 | Eulex | MyWay, is it usb? |
| 18:33.58 | dracflamloc | i'd just use KDE but it takes so much ram and i only have 92mb on this thing |
| 18:34.04 | MyWay | yes |
| 18:34.20 | Eulex | MyWay, lsusb -- what does it say about the webcam? |
| 18:34.27 | MyWay | lsusb? |
| 18:34.29 | MyWay | what's this? |
| 18:34.32 | DarkOppressor | a command |
| 18:34.34 | goccia | dracflamloc: maybe today is noty a good day , believe me opl works ok in debian oss alsa 2.4 2.6 and so on :) |
| 18:34.35 | MyWay | ok |
| 18:34.39 | MyWay | let me try |
| 18:34.56 | dracflamloc | i believe you. just wish it worked for me =( |
| 18:35.08 | drivamgr2006 | I just drop out for half a second and see if my new quit mesage works. Someone tell me...please? |
| 18:35.21 | dracflamloc | the io=0x370 thing might be the cause since dmesg claims its in use when it tries to load the drive |
| 18:35.23 | dracflamloc | r |
| 18:35.26 | MyWay | Eulex: it says: ID 2770:9120 NHJ, Ltd Che-ez! Snap / iClick Tiny VGA Digital Camera |
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| 18:36.22 | DarkOppressor | Nobody throws ANYTHING, until I blow this whistle! - Not even if someone says Jehovah! *THWACK |
| 18:36.30 | DarkOppressor | twas it |
| 18:36.35 | drivamgr2006 | Thank you DarkOppressor |
| 18:36.37 | dracflamloc | OO |
| 18:36.40 | drivamgr2006 | !beer DarkOppressor |
| 18:36.45 | DarkOppressor | :D |
| 18:36.52 | dracflamloc | hey goccia, if i run kmix in gnome, all of a sudden sound works again! |
| 18:37.07 | Eulex | MyWay, oh. you could try googling for that, but it hadn't got any info about the chipset, so I wouldn't count on finding that much info... |
| 18:37.09 | Andrew_P | How could one get a blank screen after building custom kernel? I thought this is because of enabling Logo, but got the same without logo :( Will try disabling FB, but the generic kernel worked with FB... Any ideas? |
| 18:37.10 | drivamgr2006 | A good quote DarkOppressor - came from Monty Python's Life of Brian |
| 18:37.30 | DarkOppressor | ah i see |
| 18:37.33 | dracflamloc | eulex, if i run kmix in gnome, sound works. any idea why? |
| 18:37.35 | goccia | dracflamloc: i told you :TODAY is not a godd day and debian ROCKSSSSS !!! ;) |
| 18:37.42 | dracflamloc | lol |
| 18:37.51 | dracflamloc | i want it to work. i'm so close |
| 18:37.55 | Eno_ | Will someone eventually backport kde 3.5 to sarge? |
| 18:37.56 | dracflamloc | its something to do with kmix |
| 18:37.59 | Eno_ | Like backports.org? |
| 18:38.03 | Eulex | dracflamloc, your sound card was probably muted. |
| 18:38.08 | dracflamloc | no |
| 18:38.22 | dracflamloc | i got an error from xmms that there was no device. it wasnt just a matter of mute |
| 18:38.30 | dracflamloc | i run aumix and the volume is up |
| 18:38.39 | dracflamloc | but for some reason running kmis makes it all work |
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| 18:38.52 | visik7 | hi |
| 18:38.55 | DarkOppressor | computers are a fun and random adventure |
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| 18:39.06 | Eulex | dracflamloc, that's strange |
| 18:39.28 | theeil | how would i go about getting an intel pro/wireless 2915ABG card working? |
| 18:39.32 | goccia | dracflamloc: are you happy ? yes ? hahah you dont' even konw how that old card sounds in full alsa-splendour : get a 2.6 !!! :) |
| 18:39.43 | dvs | dracflamloc: Is the Gnome sound system active? |
| 18:39.47 | dracflamloc | nope |
| 18:39.50 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 18:40.39 | takatumi | nutmeg |
| 18:41.10 | goccia | SimonRaven: hahah _ i'll tell to my three (real) nutcrackers tomorrow morning at theyr breakfast time :) |
| 18:41.13 | dracflamloc | i guess for now i could just run kmix whenever i start my computer |
| 18:41.16 | dracflamloc | kinda sucks though |
| 18:41.45 | goccia | SimonRaven: i found out the english for ìem is "nutcracker" not raven :) |
| 18:41.48 | Andrew_P | So, as i mentioned, will compile this 2.6.8 once more... Didn't suffer so much with slackware and gentoo... |
| 18:42.07 | MyWay | I don't find anything. So i can't use my Camera on Linux. |
| 18:42.14 | dvs | Andrew_P: What compile 2.6.8? |
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| 18:42.27 | SimonRaven | again, i don't want, nor do i care to know |
| 18:42.35 | Joenkemo | hello |
| 18:42.44 | Joenkemo | i have a problem whit debian |
| 18:42.46 | Andrew_P | kernel 2.6.8, i've just written about that |
| 18:42.49 | takatumi | Andrew_P: blank screen is usually fb related, check the config. |
| 18:43.01 | Andrew_P | OK, will disable FB for now |
| 18:43.19 | takatumi | Andrew_P: I get a blank screen without it. ;) |
| 18:43.24 | Joenkemo | hello everyone |
| 18:43.29 | DarkOppressor | hi |
| 18:43.32 | Joenkemo | i have problem whit debian |
| 18:43.37 | Andrew_P | though the FB section is just as in generic kernel, where everything does work |
| 18:43.40 | DarkOppressor | spit it out |
| 18:43.40 | dvs | !tell Joenkemo -about ask |
| 18:43.56 | dracflamloc | well, since i'm done with sound for now. any way i can get the debian menu to show in fluxbox? |
| 18:43.57 | SimonRaven | Joenkemo: we know. are you going to tell us what it is? |
| 18:43.59 | takatumi | Andrew_P: what else did you change from the original? |
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| 18:44.20 | Joenkemo | i have my mouse plugged in but when it goes to the X view my mouse doesn't move |
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| 18:44.52 | drivamgr2006 | Then you have the wrong kind of mouse configured. |
| 18:44.53 | Andrew_P | in FB section I disabled all hardware I don't have... indeed, i did that through the whole kernel, just made it lighter |
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| 18:44.55 | takatumi | Joenkemo: it works before X? |
| 18:44.55 | chemaFPA | Hi, Whe you download a Deb from de web, there are some way to install thath resolving the dependencies automatically? |
| 18:45.20 | SimonRaven | using apt-get.... |
| 18:45.22 | takatumi | chemaFPA: apt-get or aptitude? |
| 18:45.34 | Joenkemo | i dont know i don't c any mouse in the text boot |
| 18:45.34 | drivamgr2006 | Which port does your mouse plug into Joenkemo ? PS2 or USB? |
| 18:45.43 | Joenkemo | PS/2 |
| 18:45.44 | Andrew_P | i should have mentioned that the system works well with my custom kernel except that i don't see the console at all (( |
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| 18:46.14 | abrotman | chemaFPA: dpkg -i <file> ;apt-get -f install |
| 18:46.30 | abrotman | Joenkemo: see ? |
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| 18:46.38 | Joenkemo | what do you mean |
| 18:46.47 | abrotman | the word is "see" ? not "c" |
| 18:46.54 | Joenkemo | o |
| 18:47.03 | Joenkemo | i dont know i don't see any mouse in the text boot |
| 18:47.08 | Joenkemo | better? |
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| 18:47.23 | drivamgr2006 | Joenkemo: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 - try to select different mouse port, such as /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux... one of them will work your mouse |
| 18:47.24 | chemaFPA | abrotman but with the -f , not resolv dependencies, simply install without dependencies |
| 18:47.33 | SimonRaven | nor is 'o' a word |
| 18:47.40 | drivamgr2006 | failing that, apt-get install gpm |
| 18:47.41 | dvs | SimonRaven: y? |
| 18:47.54 | Andrew_P | have read a half of "Gentle introduction to Haskell 98" during all that recompiles :) |
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| 18:48.11 | misieq | what is /proc/kcore and why it's so big? (805 MB) |
| 18:48.17 | abrotman | chemaFPA: what are you trying to install ? |
| 18:48.28 | Joenkemo | how do i select? |
| 18:48.31 | SimonRaven | dvs: -_- |
| 18:48.33 | goccia | misieq: a core ? are ypu runing redhat ? :)) |
| 18:48.40 | dvs | ;-) |
| 18:48.44 | SimonRaven | misieq: RAM size... |
| 18:48.51 | SimonRaven | dvs: :) |
| 18:48.51 | misieq | SimonRaven, 768 |
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| 18:49.04 | SimonRaven | wasn't a question |
| 18:49.08 | dob2 | hi |
| 18:49.16 | Joenkemo | in console dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 18:49.18 | Joenkemo | and then |
| 18:49.25 | dacer | Hi, I need to resize a partition (more bigger and additional size its behind current partition), If, with fdisk, I delete my partition and create a new one with same type, I will loose data? |
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| 18:49.34 | dob2 | what can i use to get the cpu/motherboard temperature? there is only lm-sensors for this? |
| 18:49.42 | dracflamloc | is there a "gnome-light" or "kde-light", i only have 92mb of ram |
| 18:49.43 | misieq | anyway... i still don't know what it is. can i safely remove it? |
| 18:49.45 | dvs | Joenkemo: read the rest of drivamgr2006 response |
| 18:49.57 | Joenkemo | yes i know |
| 18:49.59 | b0xy | dracflamloc: fluxbox |
| 18:50.01 | tarzeau | dob2: a thermometer right inside the computer? |
| 18:50.02 | Joenkemo | but how do i select those |
| 18:50.03 | Andrew_P | dacer: woder about that too |
| 18:50.07 | Andrew_P | *wonder |
| 18:50.09 | dvs | Joenkemo: That's it. Finished |
| 18:50.18 | Joenkemo | o |
| 18:50.24 | Joenkemo | going to try it now |
| 18:50.26 | Joenkemo | brb |
| 18:50.26 | dracflamloc | b0xy: i know, but threes no debain menunin that and i really dont want to manually do that whole menu |
| 18:50.26 | dvs | Joenkemo: reconfigure will ask you that |
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| 18:50.50 | dob2 | tarzeau: yes, you do it in this way? |
| 18:50.53 | kingsley | dracflamloc: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 18:50.59 | chemaFPA | abrotman I try to install iaxcomm.deb but with dpkg fail dependecies. I try to find the way to resolv dependecies atomatically |
| 18:51.05 | drivamgr2006 | when you get to the mouse option, Joenkemo , there will be a list of what you need to select. Pick one! |
| 18:51.07 | tarzeau | dob2: i've got a thermemeter but outside the computers here |
| 18:51.08 | b0xy | I just got done trying DSL and I didn't like it |
| 18:51.14 | b0xy | it was too liveCD customized |
| 18:51.20 | b0xy | so I'm gonna try to make a small debian distro |
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| 18:51.32 | tarzeau | dob2: if a computer doesn't work, i measuer the temperature with my hands inside... |
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| 18:51.40 | tarzeau | dob2: otherwise i don't care about it |
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| 18:51.57 | dob2 | tarzeau: it's more simple if you reboot and look on the bios hardware monitor :) |
| 18:52.03 | Andrew_P | BTW, is there a repository with Kernel 2.6.12-2.6.14 for Sarge? |
| 18:52.16 | tarzeau | dob2: the thing is, i never want to reboot, as less as possible |
| 18:52.21 | skel | where would I lengthen timeout values for tcp connections? specifically sshd. I've read that sshd rely's on the OS to handly connection timeouts |
| 18:52.32 | tarzeau | reboots are only caused by power failures, idiot users and stupid kernel upgrades |
| 18:52.33 | takatumi | Andrew_P: if you are compiling get the source from kernel.org |
| 18:52.57 | repp | "stupid" kernel upgrades? ouch |
| 18:53.18 | Joenkemo | other problem when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is says xserver-xfree86 is not installed ?? |
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| 18:53.33 | takatumi | Joenkemo: sarge? |
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| 18:53.37 | goccia | tarzeau: and udev :) |
| 18:53.39 | Joenkemo | sarge?? what u mean |
| 18:53.43 | dvs | Joenkemo: You're not using stable (sarge)? |
| 18:53.49 | tarzeau | goccia: i don't use idiot udev |
| 18:53.50 | Joenkemo | no |
| 18:53.52 | Gshaw | hello |
| 18:53.54 | Joenkemo | non -stable |
| 18:53.57 | goccia | tarzeau: mee too :) |
| 18:53.59 | Joenkemo | got from my uncle |
| 18:54.02 | drivamgr2006 | Oh great. Are you running Debian Etch? |
| 18:54.03 | dvs | Joenkemo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:54.04 | tarzeau | repp: i run old kernels, just to not reboot |
| 18:54.10 | Joenkemo | o ok |
| 18:54.23 | goccia | tarzeau: i'm waiting in the woods for the next big thing :) |
| 18:54.29 | Joenkemo | brb |
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| 18:54.30 | repp | tarzeau: my, what old vulnerable software you have |
| 18:54.34 | SimonRaven | !eternal sunday |
| 18:54.34 | dpkg | Eternal Sunday of The Clueless Mind. Yes, folks, due to popular demand, every day is now sunday. See <sunday>. |
| 18:54.42 | tarzeau | repp: you don't know what kernels i run |
| 18:54.42 | repp | tarzeau: you have uptimed running I assume? |
| 18:54.50 | tarzeau | repp: of course not, no |
| 18:54.55 | repp | eh |
| 18:55.01 | tarzeau | repp: it's not about uptime but availability |
| 18:55.09 | tarzeau | goccia: i don't understand? |
| 18:55.09 | DarkOppressor | repp :D |
| 18:55.10 | Gshaw | I'm having a problem with GRUB |
| 18:55.17 | repp | DarkOppressor: hey! how's it going? |
| 18:55.27 | DarkOppressor | i just finished everything frtom last night |
| 18:55.29 | DarkOppressor | about to reboot |
| 18:55.32 | goccia | tarzeau: i stay away from udev! |
| 18:55.34 | repp | great |
| 18:55.38 | DarkOppressor | wish me luck ,here goes |
| 18:55.42 | repp | good luck |
| 18:55.44 | Gshaw | basically it ain't loading my windows 2000 partition |
| 18:55.44 | drivamgr2006 | Well spit it out then Gshaw - we are not psychic... |
| 18:55.57 | drivamgr2006 | ooer... then its not detecting it |
| 18:56.06 | Gshaw | well |
| 18:56.10 | Gshaw | i can select it |
| 18:56.23 | Gshaw | but it ends up in a disk read error |
| 18:56.34 | Gshaw | i've chcked the boot sector using the CD but it seems fine |
| 18:57.21 | Gshaw | it also says the filesystem is uknown but taht shouldn't be a problem should it? |
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| 18:57.27 | SimonRaven | @eternal sunday is <reply>Eternal Sunday of The Clueless Mind. Yes, folks, due to popular demand, every day is now sunday. See <sunday>. |
| 18:57.35 | drivamgr2006 | tried using base.conf? or is it base-conf? that should allow you to reconfigure your bootloader |
| 18:57.43 | hcy | hi, i did apt-get upgrade and it said "Setting up cupsys (1.1.23-15) ... Illegal port value for CUPS. Please correct this by running 'dpkg-reconfigure cupsys'." Running dpkg-reconfigure, though, just gives the same error. and now cups doesn't work anymore, and apt-get keeps getting stuck even when i try to upgrade other things. I use cups all the time, though, so how can i fix that please? |
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| 18:57.57 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to tell acroread to print in color instead of grayscale? |
| 18:57.58 | Gshaw | i didn't change anything in the conf |
| 18:58.07 | Gshaw | just followed the installation |
| 18:58.24 | goccia | i hate sunday : too many idiots on my way on sunday !! |
| 18:58.38 | Gshaw | :P |
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| 18:58.56 | drivamgr2006 | I hate sunday, cause monday follows it and i have to go back to work... |
| 18:59.00 | misieq | goccia, why mention sunday? it's tuesday ;) |
| 18:59.03 | takatumi | Gshaw: is windows installed on the first drive? |
| 18:59.13 | Gshaw | both are installed on first drive |
| 18:59.26 | goccia | misieq: is SimonRaven calling for a aeternal sunday |
| 18:59.36 | Gshaw | and grubs in mbr |
| 18:59.46 | Joenkemo | rebooting now |
| 18:59.54 | drivamgr2006 | Ah. That could cause a little problem. I used to dual boot between 2 drives with sucks-pee and never had a problem |
| 19:00.13 | Gshaw | hrm |
| 19:00.16 | Gshaw | it should work |
| 19:00.18 | tarzeau | takatumi, Eulex: join bubble! |
| 19:00.24 | tarzeau | anyone plays http://bub-n-bros.sf.net with me? |
| 19:00.32 | aynjrz | hcy: chec k /etc/cups/cupsd.conf - is the value for port-to-listen-to reasonable? |
| 19:00.35 | misieq | my /var/log/ksymoops directory was pretty big... does that mean something's wrong with my system? |
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| 19:01.05 | Gshaw | anyone know were i can find a grub support channel or something so that those people might bge able to help me? |
| 19:01.06 | goccia | misieq: is your 2.4 kernel which is "ancient" |
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| 19:01.36 | misieq | should i switch to 2.6? |
| 19:01.37 | jesus | hi ppl |
| 19:02.05 | Dark_Oppressor | repp: it worked, ive got a gnome desktop now! ^^ |
| 19:02.09 | jesus | is there n e way possible that there can be java in the mozilla browser |
| 19:02.16 | Gshaw | jesus there is |
| 19:02.18 | repp | Dark_Oppressor: Great! |
| 19:02.29 | Dark_Oppressor | hehe now sound isnt working |
| 19:02.30 | Gshaw | actually you shouldn't have a problem with that |
| 19:02.33 | goccia | as long as you do not ask for "the lastest apps" yes . join in the chant :) |
| 19:02.37 | Dark_Oppressor | a new challenge! |
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| 19:02.49 | jesus | well i have agnula demudi |
| 19:02.53 | SimonRaven | fooz is AFK right now |
| 19:03.17 | jesus | and im not able to log in id. a yahoo chat |
| 19:03.20 | SimonRaven | jesus: /join #demudi |
| 19:03.20 | repp | Dark_Oppressor: indeed. well good luck ... make sure that "alsa" and "discover" are installed as well as udev. |
| 19:03.31 | drivamgr2006 | Agnula de-what, what and what???? :? |
| 19:03.40 | Andrew_P | one more reboot - without FB for now :) |
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| 19:03.50 | Dark_Oppressor | when i try to start up volume control, i get an error stating that "No volume control elements and/or devices found." |
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| 19:03.55 | Dark_Oppressor | repp: ok thanks |
| 19:04.03 | baltazar | hello |
| 19:04.10 | hcy | aynjrz: they're all commented out. isn't it supposed to use the default 631 in that case? |
| 19:04.17 | drivamgr2006 | That sounds like something catholics do on a sunday morning!!! |
| 19:04.20 | drivamgr2006 | :) |
| 19:04.31 | drivamgr2006 | And don't scold me, I am catholic... |
| 19:04.40 | jesus | nobody is talking in the DEMUDI channel |
| 19:05.12 | aynjrz | hcy: far as I know ,yes. Try adding the line manually, and see if that helps? |
| 19:05.12 | goccia | what demudi is : another joke ? |
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| 19:05.54 | jesus | is there n e where else i can get a different free ISO distro |
| 19:06.09 | hcy | aynjrz: ok |
| 19:06.12 | Dark_Oppressor | jesus: all over, there are a lot of em |
| 19:06.15 | koudelka_ | is there any gui traffic control program for debian? |
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| 19:06.27 | Dark_Oppressor | jesus: fedora core 4 is one ive used |
| 19:06.36 | goccia | jesus: if you do not like debian go into the desert and wait for a dealer ... |
| 19:06.38 | Joenkemo | mouse is still not working :'( |
| 19:06.43 | jesus | i want a good gnome looking one that is easy to use |
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| 19:07.01 | cacto | fala pessoal |
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| 19:07.07 | cacto | hello folks |
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| 19:07.15 | Joenkemo | anyone knows how i can get my PS/2 mouwe to work?? |
| 19:07.19 | Joenkemo | it doesn't move |
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| 19:07.39 | Eulex | !drxx Joenkemo |
| 19:07.40 | dpkg | Joenkemo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:07.47 | dvs | Eulex: he just did thaqt |
| 19:07.49 | drivamgr2006 | jesus: I have someone in #demudi who can help you - please go over there. |
| 19:07.50 | Eulex | and select /dev/psaux |
| 19:07.55 | Andrew_P | I still have no efect ... strange |
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| 19:08.55 | hcy | aynjrz: nope, doesn't help |
| 19:08.58 | Joenkemo | anyone knows how i can get my PS/2 mouwe to work?? |
| 19:08.59 | cacto | anyone knows how can my Debian detect my new DVD-drive? |
| 19:09.02 | Joenkemo | mouse* |
| 19:09.14 | aynjrz | hcy - sorry |
| 19:09.24 | hcy | aynjrz: i run dpkg-reconfigure cupsys and i get: "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: cupsys is broken or not fully installed" |
| 19:09.44 | Joenkemo | anyone knows how i can get my PS/2 mouse to work?? |
| 19:09.46 | Gshaw | joenkemo: ps/2 mouses shouldn't give problems |
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| 19:09.57 | Joenkemo | it doesn't move in the X view< |
| 19:09.58 | Joenkemo | it doesn't move in the X view |
| 19:10.00 | Joenkemo | i mean |
| 19:10.26 | aynjrz | hcy - perhaps remove cupsys and re-install? |
| 19:10.30 | drivamgr2006 | Joenkemo: do you use english as a first language? Or french / dutch? |
| 19:10.37 | Joenkemo | dutch |
| 19:10.43 | drivamgr2006 | !nl |
| 19:10.43 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 19:11.02 | drivamgr2006 | Oh shoot. I dont think we have a dutch language channel... |
| 19:11.12 | Joenkemo | u know how i can get my mouse to move |
| 19:11.14 | drivamgr2006 | Do you speak french? |
| 19:11.19 | Joenkemo | a bit |
| 19:11.26 | drivamgr2006 | try here then. it may be easier |
| 19:11.29 | drivamgr2006 | !fr |
| 19:11.29 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 19:11.48 | Joenkemo | no i preffer dutch or english |
| 19:11.51 | Joenkemo | !be |
| 19:11.51 | dpkg | it has been said that be is Beryllium. Belgium, or the company who made BeOS |
| 19:12.10 | Joenkemo | can u help me pls? |
| 19:12.26 | drivamgr2006 | Ah. I can try if we go to private message. I can use internet translator |
| 19:12.33 | harleyg | hi |
| 19:12.35 | Eulex | anyone know an app that correctly displays UYVY paletted output from a v4l device? |
| 19:12.42 | goccia | Joenkemo: did you just install ? |
| 19:12.44 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:12.44 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:12.44 | harleyg | anyone got any good tutorials of making a router :) |
| 19:12.51 | abrotman | Joenkemo: can you speak english? |
| 19:12.56 | Joenkemo | yep |
| 19:13.12 | goccia | Joenkemo: check /etc/modules for psmouse |
| 19:13.21 | abrotman | Joenkemo: you're not doing very well so far |
| 19:13.30 | Joenkemo | i know |
| 19:13.34 | Joenkemo | and how do i check that |
| 19:13.43 | goccia | less /etc/modules |
| 19:13.47 | Joenkemo | o |
| 19:13.48 | hcy | any way to roll back to a previously apt-got cups? |
| 19:13.54 | Joenkemo | and what should i see? |
| 19:14.10 | goccia | a line saying psmouse |
| 19:14.18 | Joenkemo | and if i don't see |
| 19:14.28 | goccia | you are DOOMED :) |
| 19:14.32 | dvs | ahhah |
| 19:14.33 | Joenkemo | :( |
| 19:14.34 | Joenkemo | :p |
| 19:14.38 | Joenkemo | what should i do then |
| 19:14.38 | Eulex | wait, maybe mplayer can... |
| 19:14.47 | dvs | Joenkemo: Put it in there? |
| 19:14.55 | Joenkemo | how do i do that? :P |
| 19:14.59 | hyperactivecrond | good bye all... |
| 19:15.28 | Joenkemo | but how do i put that line in there?? |
| 19:15.40 | dvs | Joenkemo: echo psmouse >> /etc/modules |
| 19:15.57 | Roey | hi |
| 19:16.00 | goccia | Joenkemo: as root do : echo psmouse >> /etc/modules |
| 19:16.07 | Joenkemo | echo psmouse >> /etc/modules in console? |
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| 19:16.38 | goccia | yes |
| 19:16.42 | Joenkemo | k |
| 19:16.43 | Joenkemo | brb |
| 19:16.43 | Garda | hey. i have a wierd problem. i have a disk image of a hard drive made using the following command. "dd if=/dev/sda of=image.img" how do i mount individual partitions in the hard drive image using loopback |
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| 19:16.54 | goccia | or ash dvs for a vi lesson :) |
| 19:16.57 | goccia | ask* |
| 19:17.01 | Andrew_P | My setting for console and FB are the same as worked well in Slackware (but with 2.4, not 2.6) and, I think, Gentoo with 2.6 and ..... still no success |
| 19:17.38 | hcy | Garda: why don't you dd each partition separately? |
| 19:17.41 | drivamgr2006 | Joenkemo: U kunt uw xserver door te typen dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg bij uw bevelherinnering aanpassen. |
| 19:17.49 | drivamgr2006 | Oh shoot. |
| 19:17.55 | Roey | anyone here use yaird? I ran "fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd buildpackage; dpkg -i ../kernel-image*.deb" and dpkg chokes on a LILO problem. I want to move to GRUB anyway, but when I run grub-install --recheck /dev/sda, it says no drives were found. What's up here? |
| 19:17.56 | drivamgr2006 | I should have sent that as /msg |
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| 19:18.02 | drivamgr2006 | sorry all |
| 19:18.08 | Garda | hcy, yea, but i don't have the original hard drive anymore |
| 19:18.26 | dvs | !lart goccia |
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| 19:18.36 | goccia | dvs: hihihhi:) |
| 19:18.39 | Joenkemo | it is there |
| 19:18.40 | Garda | is there an easier way than putting everything back onto a new hard drive |
| 19:18.46 | dvs | goccia: Grrrrrrrrrrrr! |
| 19:18.56 | Joenkemo | the psmouse is in the /etc/modules |
| 19:19.22 | valdyn | Garda: run fdisk on that file, print or write down the partition table offsets, use dd to extract partitions, mount those via loopback |
| 19:19.29 | Joenkemo | but my mouse still doesn't work |
| 19:19.39 | goccia | Joenkemo: of course |
| 19:19.45 | Joenkemo | yea |
| 19:19.49 | Garda | valdyn: thanks i'll try that |
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| 19:19.52 | Joenkemo | i can see my mouse but it doesn't move |
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| 19:20.05 | valdyn | Garda: if loopback could take offsets directly, i wouldnt know |
| 19:20.05 | Joenkemo | it's stuck in the middle of the X view |
| 19:20.06 | goccia | Joenkemo: being a file something gotta read it : ask around how :) |
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| 19:20.14 | dacer | Hi I need to resize my "/" partition |
| 19:20.21 | goccia | i've done my share :) |
| 19:20.21 | settd | could anyone explain why I don't have /usr/include/openssl when openssl package installed |
| 19:20.23 | Joenkemo | how do i read that? |
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| 19:20.32 | settd | and it exists on another debian machie |
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| 19:20.47 | valdyn | settd: because dev stuff like headers is on -dev packages |
| 19:20.53 | drivamgr2006 | The last thing to do Joenkemo is to download gpm, and try changing the mouse in your xorg config to /dev/gpmdata |
| 19:20.54 | settd | openssl-dev? |
| 19:21.00 | Joenkemo | how do i read psmouse in /etc/modules?? |
| 19:21.03 | dacer | I read that I can (with fdisk) delete my partition, and create a new one with same type, reboot and I will no loose any data. It's that true? |
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| 19:21.20 | settd | can't find openssl-dev |
| 19:21.24 | Joenkemo | i have gpm |
| 19:21.27 | Joenkemo | it's gnome |
| 19:21.56 | Joenkemo | brb |
| 19:21.58 | valdyn | dacer: in order: shrink the fs, shrink the partition, just shrinking the partition wont be nice |
| 19:22.00 | Joenkemo | going to try it |
| 19:22.06 | dvs | Joenkemo: gpm and gnome are not related |
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| 19:22.21 | drivamgr2006 | I have an idea, why dont you go to a command line, and type cat /dev/input/mouse - move the mouse and you should see something in your command line |
| 19:22.38 | dvs | !beer drivamgr2006 |
| 19:22.41 | dacer | valdyn I want to increase size, so I need to resize partition and then resize fs |
| 19:22.48 | settd | oh it is libssl-dev |
| 19:22.51 | settd | hell :) |
| 19:23.00 | settd | thank you, anyway |
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| 19:23.07 | valdyn | dacer: right |
| 19:23.08 | drivamgr2006 | Thanks for the beer dvs... have one yerself |
| 19:23.10 | drivamgr2006 | !beer dvs |
| 19:23.39 | dacer | valdyn, but delete partition and create new one, DON'T erase data |
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| 19:23.43 | dacer | ? |
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| 19:23.47 | valdyn | dacer: right |
| 19:23.54 | dacer | ok |
| 19:24.04 | dacer | I must reboot after it, isn't it? |
| 19:24.12 | valdyn | dacer: but your system will get confused if its not kept at the precisiely same start offset |
| 19:24.23 | b0xy | what's a lightweight window manager that's more windows like in layout? |
| 19:24.28 | b0xy | emphasis on the lightweight and windows like |
| 19:24.33 | valdyn | dacer: yea |
| 19:24.34 | dacer | start will be same block |
| 19:24.36 | b0xy | like a start button type layout |
| 19:24.50 | dacer | I only have to change end block |
| 19:24.55 | aynjrz | b0xy - IceWM is quite like Win95/98 |
| 19:24.58 | valdyn | bobesponja: icewm |
| 19:25.35 | b0xy | k |
| 19:25.42 | b0xy | I just now installed Fluxbox |
| 19:25.47 | b0xy | all the suggested packages and all |
| 19:25.56 | b0xy | I type fluxbox and it says I need to start X first |
| 19:26.02 | b0xy | how do I do that? |
| 19:26.08 | b0xy | startx doesn't work |
| 19:26.11 | valdyn | !start x |
| 19:26.17 | valdyn | b0xy: so install it |
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| 19:26.32 | b0xy | so my problem is that it's not installed at all? |
| 19:26.45 | valdyn | b0xy: how would we know that? |
| 19:26.46 | Joenkemo | i put it in dev/gpmdata |
| 19:26.48 | aynjrz | b0xy - in what way does startx not work? |
| 19:26.54 | Joenkemo | should i reboot now?? |
| 19:27.05 | b0xy | aynjrz: unrecognized command |
| 19:27.12 | dvs | Joenkemo: You missed the starting / |
| 19:27.26 | valdyn | b0xy: bash does not yield that error message |
| 19:27.29 | dvs | Joenkemo: If that's what you're doing all along, it was always wrong |
| 19:27.29 | drivamgr2006 | needs to be in /dev/gpmdata |
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| 19:27.44 | Joenkemo | i put it in there |
| 19:27.53 | Joenkemo | i've put it in there |
| 19:27.55 | drivamgr2006 | and you put the starting / ? |
| 19:28.02 | Joenkemo | yes |
| 19:28.05 | drivamgr2006 | reboot then |
| 19:28.07 | aynjrz | boxy - do you have a /usr/X11R6 folder? |
| 19:28.08 | Joenkemo | ok |
| 19:28.09 | drivamgr2006 | and good luck |
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| 19:28.14 | Joenkemo | thank you |
| 19:28.16 | Joenkemo | brb |
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| 19:28.34 | Dark_Oppressor | ok, i cant get sound to work, it says tehre are no devices found, unless i play a file in totem, then it works |
| 19:28.36 | b0xy | aynjrz; yes |
| 19:29.06 | drivamgr2006 | Ah. Dark_Oppressor - is your sound system alsa or oss? |
| 19:29.21 | Dark_Oppressor | drivamgr2006: i think its alsa, how do i tell? |
| 19:29.38 | valdyn | !find bin/startx |
| 19:29.45 | valdyn | !find bin/startx sarge |
| 19:30.03 | valdyn | !tell b0xy -about search |
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| 19:30.19 | drivamgr2006 | Try locate sound | grep alsa from cli Dark_Oppressor |
| 19:30.34 | drivamgr2006 | or there was another way |
| 19:30.40 | drivamgr2006 | I cant remember |
| 19:30.58 | Dark_Oppressor | whats cli? |
| 19:31.04 | dvs | !cli |
| 19:31.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, cli is a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1 |
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| 19:31.13 | Eulex | Dark_Oppressor, have you got alsa-base and alsa-utils installed? |
| 19:31.14 | Dark_Oppressor | oh haha |
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| 19:31.37 | dotfile | My sexy USB keyboard stopped working after I upgraded to debian unstable distrabution. I got like libhids and libusbs and stuff but its not grooving on it anymore. Any advice? |
| 19:31.39 | Dark_Oppressor | not alsa-utils |
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| 19:31.47 | jauregi | hi all |
| 19:32.37 | b0xy | aynjrz: When to go to Aptitude it says I don't have the package x-window-system installed, nor x-window-system-core or -dev |
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| 19:32.52 | b0xy | do I need x-window-system and -core installed? |
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| 19:33.00 | Dark_Oppressor | drivamgr2006: i tried that command, nothing happened |
| 19:33.07 | Dark_Oppressor | eulex: i have that stuff installed now |
| 19:33.10 | aynjrz | b0xy- you need that to run any desktop at all. |
| 19:33.24 | jauregi | does anybody work with idl? |
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| 19:34.01 | Joenkemo | i rebooted ant it says : can't start X-server ='( |
| 19:34.17 | hans0lo | Anyone know of a gif file optimizer for linux? |
| 19:34.33 | Dark_Oppressor | oh, it looks like i have oss |
| 19:34.46 | Eulex | Dark_Oppressor, try running alsaconf as root -- does it detect your sound card? |
| 19:35.09 | b0xy | aynjrz: i'm installing it now then. sorry. I'm fairly new to *nix |
| 19:35.11 | Joenkemo | i rebooted ant it says : can't start X-server ='( |
| 19:35.19 | Dark_Oppressor | yes it detected it eulex |
| 19:35.20 | b0xy | I'm still trying to get used to the change of pace |
| 19:35.21 | g3brown | Using Apache on Sarge. Trying to understand the logic in the sites-available dir. Is this setup for having multiple virtual servers as in if I were a shared host or does it lend itself to setup of different pages, ie sitename/link1 sitename/link2? |
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| 19:35.29 | Eulex | Dark_Oppressor, does sound work now? |
| 19:35.33 | Dark_Oppressor | nope |
| 19:35.50 | goccia | type alsamixer |
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| 19:35.54 | dotfile | hans0lo: pngcrush. heh. |
| 19:36.03 | Dark_Oppressor | goccia: no such device |
| 19:36.13 | Joenkemo | can anyone help me? i have an error : can't load X-server |
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| 19:36.28 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 19:36.36 | dvs | X log is very helpful |
| 19:36.38 | Eulex | Dark_Oppressor, hmm. what does mpg123 say? |
| 19:36.42 | hans0lo | dotfile: hey, that'll work, if it makes them smaller than my gif files are currently. |
| 19:36.52 | Dark_Oppressor | wait haha i got it |
| 19:37.01 | tarzeau | takatumi: bubble me in |
| 19:37.06 | Dark_Oppressor | i had to tell alsaconf to modify after it scanned, silly me |
| 19:37.06 | drivamgr2006 | right i gotta go for a while. Be back later |
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| 19:37.15 | Joenkemo | can anyone help me? i have an error : can't load X-server |
| 19:37.35 | blondie | Joenkemo: you need to be more specific |
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| 19:37.42 | Joenkemo | something because my configure isn't good |
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| 19:37.44 | Joenkemo | just a sec |
| 19:37.48 | dotfile | hans0lo: png tehpwnzorz gif anyway. you need to compile it from source or just apt-get it if your using the unstable tree |
| 19:37.59 | jauregi | tell us Joenkemo |
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| 19:38.33 | Joenkemo | it says "can't load X-server, the configure is probably bad" |
| 19:38.37 | hans0lo | dotfile: It's in the etch repository.. checkin it out now. -- I just wish IE for Win used PNG transparency. |
| 19:38.46 | abrotman | Joenkemo: FFS .. GIVE US THE DAMN ERRORS FROM THE LOG |
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| 19:38.53 | abrotman | !vagueness |
| 19:38.53 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
| 19:38.54 | dvs | how |
| 19:39.01 | Joenkemo | i cant do anything |
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| 19:39.07 | Joenkemo | my keyboard is blocked |
| 19:39.08 | goccia | Joenkemo: did you edit x config before ? |
| 19:39.12 | Joenkemo | yep |
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| 19:39.27 | blondie | Joenkemo: what does it actually say? |
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| 19:39.33 | Joenkemo | it says "can't load X-server, the configure is probably bad" |
| 19:39.37 | blondie | no it doesn't |
| 19:39.37 | dotfile | hans0lo: well if its in 8bit it will work. 32bit needs a javascript hack to work correctly. |
| 19:39.39 | goccia | Joenkemo: i guess you do not know how to use any editor :) |
| 19:39.57 | Joenkemo | no i cant =P |
| 19:39.59 | hans0lo | dotfile: really? I didn't know that. Cool! |
| 19:40.04 | goccia | Joenkemo: that's why i told you to echo in /etc/modules... |
| 19:40.13 | g3brown | Is there a GUI admin util for apache? |
| 19:40.23 | hans0lo | dotfile: I can finally kick .gif in teh nuts! |
| 19:40.31 | Joenkemo | echo psmouse >> /etc/modules you said me |
| 19:40.39 | Joenkemo | but it was allready there |
| 19:40.45 | dotfile | hans0lo: that would be most wise |
| 19:41.22 | Dark_Oppressor | ok, im not getting an error anymore, but there still isnt sound |
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| 19:42.01 | dotfile | then turn up the volume. =p |
| 19:42.05 | goccia | Joenkemo: you did not said it wasn't there |
| 19:42.06 | Joenkemo | echo psmouse >> /etc/modules you said me |
| 19:42.07 | Joenkemo | but it was allready there |
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| 19:42.15 | dotfile | you ran alsamixer? |
| 19:42.16 | Joenkemo | but it was there |
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| 19:42.52 | abrotman | Joenkemo: mousedev |
| 19:42.54 | goccia | Joenkemo: anyway : know how many psmouse lines do you have in there ? |
| 19:42.59 | Joenkemo | 1 |
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| 19:43.18 | goccia | no word |
| 19:43.20 | abrotman | goccia: it doesn't matter .. two won't hurt it |
| 19:43.29 | goccia | abrotman: i know :) |
| 19:43.32 | abrotman | Joenkemo: can you please stop typing english like a tard ? |
| 19:43.39 | Joenkemo | how do you mean |
| 19:43.43 | dvs | ahahhahaaaha |
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| 19:43.52 | goccia | abrotman: i told him to echo cause using vi is harder |
| 19:43.53 | abrotman | !wud |
| 19:43.53 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 19:44.04 | abrotman | Joenkemo: ^^ ... don't type like that |
| 19:44.07 | goccia | Joenkemo: you just reconfigure x |
| 19:44.10 | takatumi | takatumi: dang, my battery died. |
| 19:44.16 | Joenkemo | how do i reconfigure that? |
| 19:44.20 | abrotman | !drxx Joenkemo |
| 19:44.20 | dpkg | Joenkemo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:44.27 | dvs | takatumi: talking to yourself? |
| 19:44.29 | goccia | abrotman: can't rememeber dpkg-reconfigure x what ? |
| 19:44.36 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 19:44.43 | goccia | abrotman: can you tell hin please ? |
| 19:44.46 | abrotman | i just did |
| 19:44.47 | goccia | him* |
| 19:44.49 | Roey | abrotman: hi! |
| 19:44.52 | Joenkemo | yeah i know now |
| 19:44.52 | takatumi | dvs: meant for tarzeau but ... |
| 19:44.58 | goccia | abrotman: ops .) |
| 19:45.01 | Joenkemo | but my keyboard doesn't respong |
| 19:45.05 | Joenkemo | respond ¨* |
| 19:45.05 | abrotman | Roey: how many candles ? |
| 19:45.06 | Joenkemo | * |
| 19:45.12 | blondie | *responding |
| 19:45.15 | blondie | DOH |
| 19:45.17 | dvs | takatumi: Oh, I see. I'll help you over to these guys in the white coats. |
| 19:45.18 | dvs | ;-) |
| 19:45.19 | blondie | you were right |
| 19:45.38 | Roey | abrotman: 2. |
| 19:45.39 | takatumi | dvs: :) |
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| 19:45.40 | Roey | abrotman: tonight, 3. |
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| 19:45.49 | abrotman | Roey: hehe .. latkes! |
| 19:45.52 | Roey | abrotman: maybe more if I need to pray really hard to get this debian thing booting |
| 19:46.00 | Roey | abrotman: it's booting fine, I just have trouble i nstalling GRUB on it. |
| 19:46.05 | Andrew_P | anybody, what does ".config:xx: trying to assign nonexistent symbol" message during make xconfig mean? |
| 19:46.06 | tarzeau | takatumi: that was crazy |
| 19:46.06 | abrotman | Roey: using lvm? |
| 19:46.19 | blondie | Joenkemo: you're not using mirc are you? |
| 19:46.22 | takatumi | tarzeau: finished? |
| 19:46.24 | Joenkemo | yes i am |
| 19:46.26 | Joenkemo | Mirc |
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| 19:46.33 | blondie | !mirc |
| 19:46.33 | dpkg | hmm... mirc is http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/mirc/exploit.html, or sucking dog balls |
| 19:46.37 | blondie | hmm |
| 19:46.44 | blondie | Joenkemo: you unclean person |
| 19:46.49 | Joenkemo | :( |
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| 19:46.51 | Joenkemo | why that |
| 19:46.52 | Joenkemo | :p |
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| 19:47.25 | Andrew_P | so, didn't anybody observe such a message: ".config:xx: trying to assign nonexistent symbol" during `make xconfig`? |
| 19:47.27 | Roey | abrotman: yes, yes. |
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| 19:47.31 | spvidz | can you help me with installing debian? my laptops reboots while installing |
| 19:47.35 | Roey | abrotman: it's booting fine from LILO + lvm on / |
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| 19:47.40 | Roey | abrotman: but I cna't get it to use grub. |
| 19:47.54 | Andrew_P | ...after symbol word there follows option name |
| 19:48.16 | Roey | abrotman: I run grub-install --recheck /dev/sda, and I get '/dev/mapper/main-host does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.' |
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| 19:49.32 | Andrew_P | ...and i observed that after copied config from 2.6.8 to 2.6.14 src dir... |
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| 19:49.40 | RoundQube | hello all |
| 19:49.40 | Raid | hi |
| 19:49.50 | Raid | how r u |
| 19:50.03 | RoundQube | how do i get the "load driver from disk" screen on the new debian netboot install (etch)? |
| 19:50.15 | Raid | need to talk |
| 19:50.22 | RoundQube | i've tried linux dd at boot time and i dont see any where to load drivers off disk |
| 19:50.26 | Dark_Oppressor | is there a way to view my windows drive from debian? |
| 19:50.31 | RoundQube | im trying to load a driver for adaptec 1210sa |
| 19:50.49 | Raid | ok |
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| 19:51.03 | nesys | hi folks, I've a problem with sudoers ... I've added with visudo something like "www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/php -f /pathto/script, but on apache error.log I see: http://pastebin.com/480544 |
| 19:51.04 | nesys | why? |
| 19:51.25 | Joenkemo | i have error when mounting local file system |
| 19:51.40 | Joenkemo | it says " mounting local file system... failed!" |
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| 19:52.07 | Dantix | Hi All, I trying to print a "just formated" document using cups, but nothing is printed at printer, seems that cups is applying one of iis filters modifying the printer job to something not understandable to the printer. Hoe can I force CUPS to print in raw mode? thanks |
| 19:52.26 | tarzeau | takatumi: SO LOL |
| 19:52.37 | tarzeau | takatumi: that was a double last level with LEMMINGS STUCK IN THE WALLS IN BUBBLES |
| 19:52.40 | tarzeau | LOOOL |
| 19:52.55 | Joenkemo | i have error when mounting local file system |
| 19:52.56 | Joenkemo | it says " mounting local file system... failed!" |
| 19:52.58 | tarzeau | i need a faster 2d grpahics card. i only got like 3 frames per second |
| 19:53.08 | skel | where would I lengthen timeout values for tcp connections? specifically sshd. I've read that sshd rely's on the OS to handly connection timeouts |
| 19:53.34 | abrotman | Roey: i don't think grub can boot /boot on lvm |
| 19:53.44 | Roey | really. |
| 19:53.45 | Roey | wow. |
| 19:53.48 | cheal | Joenkemo: we can read. when does that happen |
| 19:53.53 | Roey | abrotman: thanks, you saved me some sanity. |
| 19:53.58 | Joenkemo | when linux is loading |
| 19:54.05 | abrotman | Roey: for clarification .. ask #grub if you really want to know |
| 19:54.10 | Roey | abrotman: I was wondering why debian auto-picked lilo every time I choose lvm. |
| 19:54.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:54.15 | Roey | abrotman: they're not responsive. |
| 19:54.22 | hans0lo | dotfile: aww, the package is broken. bug was reported already |
| 19:54.23 | Roey | abrotman: I swear, so many channels are so useless. |
| 19:54.23 | abrotman | they sleep *a lot* |
| 19:54.29 | Roey | abrotman: YOU on the other hand |
| 19:54.34 | Roey | abrotman: you are infinitely helpful |
| 19:54.36 | cheal | Joenkemo: which release do you use? |
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| 19:54.37 | Roey | abrotman: I thank you |
| 19:54.39 | abrotman | Roey: i sleep just as much as i need to :) |
| 19:54.40 | Roey | skel: and you too |
| 19:54.43 | Joenkemo | the unstable |
| 19:54.51 | bassMonkey | can i compile a module with gcc-3.4.4 for a kernel compiled with 3.4.3? |
| 19:54.57 | abrotman | you can't even check a log file .. and oyu're running unstable ? |
| 19:55.06 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 19:55.26 | Joenkemo | yea |
| 19:55.44 | abrotman | ah ... so much quieter |
| 19:55.55 | Joenkemo | but it was my uncle's |
| 19:56.24 | Joenkemo | brb |
| 19:56.37 | cheal | bassMonkey: yes |
| 19:56.37 | sonyman | whats a good alternative to k3b and nerolinux? (etch) |
| 19:56.42 | goccia | Joenkemo: you uncle is a orc tell him off :) |
| 19:57.12 | TonyRad | I have a directory which has several levels of subdirectories found below it. I was wondering if there was an easy way to change file permissions for all directories below my main directory? |
| 19:57.19 | abrotman | sonyman: graveman, arson, gnomebaker, eroaster, xcdroast |
| 19:57.25 | sonyman | TonyRad, chown -R |
| 19:57.36 | TonyRad | Thanks sonyman |
| 19:57.40 | skel | Roey: =] |
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| 19:58.08 | goccia | Joenkemo: get a nice easy lovely sarge : in 5 minutes you'll be where you are know |
| 19:58.11 | sonyman | abrotman, what do you recommend? gui |
| 19:58.12 | skel | Roey: I'm just a parrot =] I repeat helpful things I hear from others on a time delay |
| 19:58.16 | goccia | now* |
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| 19:58.36 | abrotman | sonyman: uhm .. i think last time i burnt a CD i used gnomebaker or eroaster |
| 19:58.52 | TonyRad | Will any other files/directories added below that directory also be of the same permissions as well? Or will I have to change that somewhere also |
| 19:58.55 | jauregi | does anybody play typespeed? |
| 19:58.58 | sonyman | I'm on KDE though. Its a shame they haven't gotten k3b working |
| 19:59.01 | abrotman | sonyman: though ... i think eroaster is not yet in etch |
| 19:59.01 | soymilk | um chown will change ownership, not permissions. use chmod |
| 19:59.02 | Roey | abrotman, skel; GRUB needs a / that is not LVM. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/10/msg00201.html |
| 19:59.08 | Roey | abrotman, skel: so much for GRUB. |
| 19:59.11 | abrotman | jauregi: will you please stop coming in here to ask that five times a day ? |
| 19:59.18 | Roey | abrotman, skel: and Xen. |
| 19:59.26 | Andrew_P | Finally i have my 2.6.8 working :) Had to compile FB and FB_VESA into the kernel, not as a module... |
| 19:59.27 | abrotman | Roey: i would have guessed it was /boot/ ... but oh well |
| 19:59.27 | skel | Roey: lies =] |
| 19:59.45 | skel | Roey: the default ubuntu install does one large lvm and uses grub.. there's gotta be a work around |
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| 20:00.24 | sonyman | soymilk, oops, thats what I meant to say ;-) |
| 20:00.33 | abrotman | Roey: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=howto+grub+lvm&btnG=Google+Search |
| 20:00.34 | TonyRad | I knew what he meant |
| 20:00.57 | SimonRaven | !fgi |
| 20:00.57 | dpkg | i guess fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
| 20:01.33 | soymilk | 404 dude |
| 20:01.45 | magyar | ahoy |
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| 20:02.09 | abrotman | soymilk: take the comma off |
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| 20:02.28 | soymilk | the second link |
| 20:02.28 | abrotman | !fgi =~ s#com/,#com/ # |
| 20:02.28 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 20:02.32 | abrotman | !fgi |
| 20:02.32 | dpkg | hmm... fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
| 20:02.39 | dotfile | hans0lo: I just apt-got the binary |
| 20:02.46 | abrotman | oh .. the secon dlink .. sorry |
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| 20:02.54 | stouset | Anyone here using GNOME 2.12? |
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| 20:03.03 | Roey | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:03.07 | Roey | abrotman: I need to digest it |
| 20:03.11 | abrotman | stouset: you haven't switched to kde44..6.435. yet ? |
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| 20:03.53 | soymilk | but LMAO at http://www.moule.org/images/ |
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| 20:04.33 | Shadowcat | abrotman: pfft |
| 20:04.35 | Shadowcat | that's old |
| 20:04.40 | Shadowcat | it's all about KDE 6.1 now |
| 20:04.43 | Shadowcat | didn't you know? |
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| 20:05.01 | Coke | What is the voice chat client of choice for Debian users? |
| 20:05.13 | stouset | abrotman: No :) |
| 20:05.16 | Shadowcat | since when can we agree on anything in here? |
| 20:05.55 | dvs | Shadowcat: What do you mean we can't agree? ;-) |
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| 20:06.08 | Shadowcat | dvs: you just proved my point :P |
| 20:06.16 | dvs | Oh |
| 20:06.16 | goccia | kde 6 ? i'll join kubuntu immediatly to get it |
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| 20:09.25 | dorpel | hi all. newbie question here, if i may |
| 20:09.38 | goccia | Coke: it depends : beautiful pepole use irssi-text . ugly ones bithcx |
| 20:09.41 | dvs | Can you speak English? |
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| 20:10.12 | magyar | adminspotting....HAHAHAHAAHHH |
| 20:10.18 | goccia | pepole ? i'm tired up :( |
| 20:10.19 | Botercek | hello |
| 20:10.19 | Botercek | i wanted to give rights to run some programs in /bin only for root |
| 20:10.23 | Botercek | so i wrote |
| 20:10.24 | dorpel | which package should i install in order to get the normal hedaer files (*.h), usually under /usr/include such as stdlib.h and stdio.h ? |
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| 20:10.36 | Botercek | chmod =o /bin/chmod |
| 20:10.45 | dvs | dorpel: build-essentials |
| 20:10.45 | Botercek | and i did it wrong |
| 20:10.49 | patterson | .::nexgen·acidmax::. . (mirc 6.16 32bit) ©2003, KnightFal - team nexgen - www.team-nexgen.com |
| 20:10.50 | dorpel | thanks |
| 20:10.54 | Botercek | how can i get access to chmod again? |
| 20:11.00 | patterson | sorry |
| 20:11.01 | Botercek | it's not accessable even from root |
| 20:11.07 | Botercek | i schould write o= |
| 20:11.09 | Botercek | help :) |
| 20:11.21 | EdLin | !tell Botercek -about enter |
| 20:11.42 | Botercek | o i wont but i steel need help :) |
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| 20:12.11 | dorpel | now, the reason i'm doing this is because i want to compile a kernel with wireless support. is there a better way to support wifi (dwl-120 in my case) ? |
| 20:12.20 | dvs | !m-a |
| 20:12.21 | dpkg | methinks module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 20:12.23 | cheal | dondelelcaro: is it still worth to look at your webmin packages? |
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| 20:15.57 | Botercek | anybody? |
| 20:16.08 | b0xy | my X system configs are all messed up |
| 20:16.12 | b0xy | how can I start over? |
| 20:16.15 | dvs | Botercek: rescue disk of some sort like Knoppix |
| 20:17.05 | dorpel | say, is it ok if i got the k7 image for an athlon xp after installation? i thought it was suppose to be i686 |
| 20:17.14 | cheal | !k7 |
| 20:17.14 | dpkg | from memory, k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 20:17.43 | dorpel | thanks. will use the ! feature from now on |
| 20:17.45 | cheal | b0xy: which release do you run? |
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| 20:18.21 | b0xy | cheal: of what? X? |
| 20:18.25 | magyar | when Tcl/Tk 8.5 will go into unstable? |
| 20:18.31 | b0xy | I just downloaded and installed everything today |
| 20:18.33 | epsilon | hi |
| 20:18.35 | b0xy | so I'm assuming it's the latest |
| 20:18.42 | Andrew_P | BTW, if anybody has 2.6.14, or a prior version of a kernel that has a HZ option, what NZ value is consider to be optimal? |
| 20:18.43 | Shadowcat | magyar: when it's ready |
| 20:18.58 | Eulex | magyar, and siyh |
| 20:18.58 | cheal | b0xy: or of Debian |
| 20:19.15 | b0xy | cheal: downloaded the base install CD today |
| 20:19.30 | magyar | Shadowcat, "unstable" |
| 20:19.35 | cheal | b0xy: of which Debian release? sarge? |
| 20:19.39 | Shadowcat | mage: so? |
| 20:19.44 | b0xy | what command can I use to find out? |
| 20:19.48 | b0xy | I'm not positive :( |
| 20:20.09 | Shadowcat | magyar I mean |
| 20:20.16 | cheal | b0xy: try $ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:20.18 | epsilon | need help to config 3 NIC in my router: I want to give the cards eth-Number manually with append="ether=0,<IO>,eth0 [...]" in lilo.conf (<IO> from lspci -vv), but doesn't work, did I miss something? |
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| 20:20.31 | b0xy | cheal: it says 3.1 |
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| 20:21.27 | epsilon | I checked the IO address, put them in append-line in lilo.conf, run lilo, reboot... but the kernel sill gives the eth-number in order it detects |
| 20:22.06 | Andrew_P | so, nobody here experimented with HZ kernel option? |
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| 20:22.18 | jauregi | bye bye |
| 20:22.24 | cheal | b0xy: OK |
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| 20:22.30 | cheal | !tell b0xy about xmd5 |
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| 20:23.21 | foo | phpMyAdmin is throwing this: Cannot load mysql extension. Please check your PHP configuration. - Documentation ... I've installed php4-mysql and restarted apache, but is still throwing that error. Any ideas? |
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| 20:24.19 | foo | oh, haha... nevermind |
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| 20:24.42 | b0xy | cheal: when I type the dpkg command I get "command not found" |
| 20:24.48 | b0xy | I installed just the base system btw |
| 20:25.05 | b0xy | then went back and added XFree86 with Aptitude along with IceWM and FluxBox |
| 20:25.06 | epsilon | anyone idea to my prob? |
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| 20:25.19 | b0xy | cheal: so I'm not positive I've got everything installed correctly |
| 20:25.25 | Botercek | so once again |
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| 20:26.00 | Botercek | i did chmod =o /bin/chmod and now i cant use it even with root. how to make this awailable to root back? |
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| 20:26.17 | theD3viL | what this error means? ACIP error on CPUO: 40 (40) |
| 20:26.37 | spvidz | can you help me with installing debian? my laptops reboots while installing |
| 20:26.58 | goccia | Botercek: overwite /bin/chmod with a fresh one |
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| 20:28.03 | karsten | nvidia drivers question: when following the nvidia-one-liner instructions, I get warnings that my kernel sources appear to be unconfigured. Is this a problem? |
| 20:28.16 | karsten | See /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 20:28.29 | goccia | Botercek: is in coreutils |
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| 20:28.44 | soymilk | is there any way to get contents of x select into the paste buffer? |
| 20:29.36 | thingfish | karsten: that's nothing to worry about. Setup normally, for me at least, always proceeded successfully. |
| 20:29.52 | b0xy | cheal: any ideas? am I missing something? |
| 20:30.11 | karsten | soymilk: If you're asking what I think you're asking, they're there by default, usually. But not in some GNOME/KDE apps. There's also a few X paste/select buffer apps which are supposed to help manage that. |
| 20:30.25 | karsten | s/ast/aste/ |
| 20:30.37 | karsten | thingfish: Danke. |
| 20:30.53 | theD3viL | what this error means? ACIP error on CPUO: 40 (40) |
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| 20:31.22 | soymilk | karsten: its not there by default. highlighted selections by cursor are never in the copy/paste buffer (ie ctrl-c/v) |
| 20:31.29 | karsten | thingfish: which installation instructions did you follow? The one-liner, the HOWTO, or what? |
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| 20:31.52 | karsten | soymilk: C-v / C-x are _not_ X paste buffer constructs, they're application specific. |
| 20:32.04 | karsten | soymilk: ... middle button paste is what you want. |
| 20:32.12 | Moeen | is it safe to use resize_reiserfs ? It will not broke my data ?! |
| 20:32.16 | soymilk | karsten: but some apps will take input from both - e.g. kate or gedit - which i can use as an intermediary for apps that only take paste buffer input |
| 20:32.23 | thingfish | karsten: I pretty much follow the one-liner. |
| 20:32.27 | karsten | soymilk: Right. That's app-specific. |
| 20:32.29 | bizkit | uh.. MastaP sucked |
| 20:32.30 | karsten | thingfish: OK. |
| 20:32.33 | b0xy | someone help? how can I reconfigure X? |
| 20:32.37 | Roey | soymilk: you drink it? |
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| 20:32.45 | soymilk | karsten: ctrl-c and ctrl-v are not xselection buffer |
| 20:32.53 | Moeen | b0xy, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 20:33.05 | Moeen | b0xy, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (in Sarge) |
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| 20:33.13 | soymilk | karsten: middle button is xselect paste, not copy/paste buffer paste (ie different than ctrl-v) |
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| 20:33.35 | karsten | soymilk: Yes, that's what I said. |
| 20:33.39 | b0xy | thanks Moeen |
| 20:33.59 | soymilk | karsten: then you just reiterated what i said initially |
| 20:34.08 | karsten | soymilk: No I didn't ... |
| 20:34.12 | b0xy | video card bus identifier? where do I find that? |
| 20:34.14 | karsten | soymilk: ... I clarified it ;-) |
| 20:34.18 | soymilk | karsten: but i was asking if there's a way to get stuff from xselection buffer into copy/paste buffer... |
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| 20:34.38 | cheal | b0xy: as root? |
| 20:34.45 | karsten | soymilk: Which I'll reiterate: there are apps which manage various paste buffers. You might want to look at them. |
| 20:34.46 | b0xy | cheal: yes |
| 20:35.20 | cheal | b0xy: that's strange. does /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure exist? |
| 20:35.21 | Moeen | Is it safe to use resize_reiserfs ? my information is important ! |
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| 20:35.32 | Moeen | b0xy, leave it blank |
| 20:35.37 | thingfish | b0xy: just hit OK for the video bus identifier. |
| 20:35.40 | soymilk | karsten: but you don't know which ones? okay, i will look |
| 20:35.45 | karsten | soymilk: ... um, "clipboard" is IIRC your search term. |
| 20:35.48 | Estes2 | Moeen, whatever, do a backup first |
| 20:35.51 | karsten | soymilk: I don't use them myself. |
| 20:36.22 | Moeen | Estes2, If I have enogh space, don't use resize_reiserfs ! |
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| 20:36.40 | Estes2 | Moeen, so don't do it, just in case |
| 20:36.43 | b0xy | cheal: yes |
| 20:36.50 | Estes2 | Moeen, borrow an hard drive to do it |
| 20:37.15 | b0xy | gah |
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| 20:37.23 | cheal | b0xy: which dpkg command are you talking about? |
| 20:37.24 | PupenoL | Hello. |
| 20:37.26 | b0xy | installations of linux are fine for me until I get to this fuckin XF86 |
| 20:37.26 | Moeen | Estes2, so resize_reiserfs is not safe ? or you just advice ?! |
| 20:37.32 | b0xy | that's where it gets all fucked up and difficult |
| 20:37.37 | kyncani | Hi, i'm looking for a backup solution, as dar seems to be very long to create an incremental archive. Any suggestion ? |
| 20:37.45 | Moeen | b0xy, it's not that hard ! |
| 20:37.45 | PupenoL | Is it possible to mantain a package repository with darcs or something like that ? |
| 20:37.54 | b0xy | cheal: I tried dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:37.55 | Botercek | i did chmod =o /bin/chmod ... How to make this runnable again for all users. (to remove =o) |
| 20:38.07 | b0xy | cheal: went through those steps and still get the same error as before |
| 20:38.31 | thingfish | b0xy: have you already edited your XF86Config-4 file by hand? |
| 20:38.35 | karsten | PupenoL: Why would you want to? apt-proxy is probably what you're looking for. |
| 20:38.36 | goccia | kyncani: a light one is backup2l |
| 20:38.39 | b0xy | thingfish: no |
| 20:38.41 | cheal | b0xy: which error? |
| 20:38.47 | Estes2 | Moeen, just a good advice |
| 20:38.56 | b0xy | cheal: a whole screen full |
| 20:39.03 | kyncani | goccia: i'll look into it, thanks :) |
| 20:39.05 | b0xy | cannot open device: mouse |
| 20:39.07 | Estes2 | Moeen, i don't use reiserfs... the question is... will you take the risk ? |
| 20:39.12 | PupenoL | karsten: I am the maintainer of the repository and I want to keep a history of the packages I make and be able to colaborate with others (and myself on other computers). |
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| 20:39.18 | b0xy | fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices |
| 20:39.20 | Estes2 | Moeen, the cpu still can do an error ... :P |
| 20:39.22 | cheal | b0xy: where's your log? |
| 20:39.37 | Moeen | b0xy, come in pm |
| 20:39.37 | Estes2 | Moeen, you could get a power outage in the operation.... |
| 20:39.40 | Estes2 | :D |
| 20:39.46 | goccia | kyncani: np |
| 20:40.15 | karsten | PupenoL: IMO you're applying version control at the wrong point. |
| 20:40.40 | PupenoL | karsten: can you elaborate ? |
| 20:40.43 | karsten | PupenoL: ... should be in the source tree. You can keep multiple versions of packages in your pool tree anyway. |
| 20:41.06 | sondre | My son has bought a sony mp3-player. It seems it demands a windows-programme in order to transfer music from pc to the player. Anyone with experience on this issue? The programme is called sonicstage |
| 20:41.14 | PupenoL | karsten: agreed. How do I do it on the source tree ? |
| 20:41.55 | karsten | PupenoL: Take your pick of svn, cvs, hg, darcs, or $VERSION_CONTROL_FLAVA_OF_THE_MONTH and RTFM |
| 20:42.01 | sondre | anyyone with experience on cedega |
| 20:42.13 | b0xy | cheal: Moeen is going to show me how through SSH and VNC. thanks for your help. much appreciated |
| 20:42.15 | Estes2 | sondre, maybe you can mount it ? or theother solution is to run the soft using wine or vmware... |
| 20:42.23 | karsten | PupenoL: I'd recommend SVN or hg myself. |
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| 20:43.01 | PupenoL | karsten: I already picked darcs and I know how to use darcs. But I normally delete the files that would be versioned (the unpacked sources) and that goes against versioning. |
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| 20:43.31 | sondre | I can mount it, and copy files, but the don't show up in the player. Seems they must be converted with this programme. Have tried wine, didn't work. Haven't heard about vmware |
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| 20:43.41 | karsten | PupenoL: Sounds like you don't know what you want or how to do it yet. |
| 20:43.41 | cheal | b0xy: as you want. you won't learn much that way though |
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| 20:44.20 | PupenoL | karsten: I know what I want, I don't know how to do it yet. There's no much information about the process of maintaining a repository. |
| 20:44.36 | karsten | PupenoL: ... the sources themselves should be available in an upstream tree. |
| 20:44.49 | karsten | PupenoL: ... By repo, you're talking a Debian packages repo, correct? |
| 20:44.59 | sondre | Estes2: What about cedega? Have you tried that? |
| 20:45.50 | sondre | Estes2: Do I install vmware with apt-get? |
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| 20:45.58 | Shadowcat | no |
| 20:46.00 | karsten | sondre: You don't. |
| 20:46.06 | PupenoL | karsten: depends to what mentioning of "repo" you are refering. |
| 20:46.07 | Shadowcat | you install vmware by buying a cd from the company |
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| 20:46.15 | karsten | sondre: ... though I could recommend either Xen or qemu. |
| 20:46.17 | karapalo | you install vmware with apt-pay |
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| 20:46.25 | thingfish | heh |
| 20:46.39 | thingfish | apt-cash |
| 20:46.41 | karsten | PupenoL: I'll take as given that _you_ know what you mean, or should, and that it's not my business or interest to play guessing games to figure out what that is. |
| 20:46.44 | sondre | karsten: are the winemulationers? |
| 20:46.52 | karsten | sondre: ?? |
| 20:47.00 | sondre | karste: are they... |
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| 20:47.31 | karsten | sondre: apt-cache show xen qemu |
| 20:47.32 | PupenoL | karsten: so far, I haven't say anything of which I don't know the meaning. If something I said is not clear, please ask me and I'll try to clarify it. |
| 20:47.42 | karsten | PupenoL: Thanks, pass. |
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| 20:47.49 | sondre | karsten: windows emulations (haven't got a better word for it) programmes to simulate windows anvironment in debian |
| 20:48.04 | b0xy | cheal: I'm watching him through VNC to learn. my thoughts exactly though :) |
| 20:48.20 | karsten | sondre: Xen is a hypervisor, current versions support windows only in a limited fashion on specific hardware (Intel VT / AMD Pacifica). |
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| 20:48.32 | PupenoL | ok. |
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| 20:48.56 | karsten | sondre: qemu is a software emulation of x86 hardware, and will run Windows versions from 3.x through W2K+3 Server. |
| 20:49.05 | close_to_debian | How can i get 3d support forIGP 340M card in my laptop |
| 20:49.19 | close_to_debian | Glxgears gives 105fps |
| 20:49.29 | close_to_debian | It should be more than that |
| 20:49.49 | karsten | sondre: ... qemu takes about a 30-40% performance hit, roughly comperable to VMWare. Less with the non-free kqemu package (gratis, non-libre). |
| 20:50.29 | sondre | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:51.07 | karsten | sondre: Different technology completely. Wine reimplements the win32 API. Qemu emulates x86 hardware. |
| 20:51.19 | PupenoL | sondre: no, qemu is a PC emulator, you run the OS you want inside it (whole Windows or whole Linux), not just an application, like Wine does with Win32 apps. |
| 20:51.36 | karsten | sondre: ... you'd need a Windows OS to put on qemu. Think of it as a totally different machine, but created in software. |
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| 20:54.10 | ruied | I'm compiling mplayer. it reports that it needs GTK develpment. what package do I need? |
| 20:54.22 | bzog | has anyone rescued data from a totally borked NTFS partition (from Linux)? I need something like grave-robber for NTFS... |
| 20:54.44 | Eulex | ruied, I guess you're compiling gmplayer then...? |
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| 20:55.30 | Spec | i've asked this before, a few weeks ago, and never got a response, so i have to ask it again, |
| 20:55.44 | Spec | is there any reason at all that you'd want to create a file in ramdisk space and then use that file as swap? |
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| 20:56.29 | ruied | Eulex, I'm compiling mplayer. trying the following: ./configure --enable-gui do I need compile gmplayer? |
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| 20:57.12 | foo | I am getting this with a php page on my server: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in ... but I have php4-mysql installed. I have restarted apache.. hmm, any ideas? |
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| 20:57.28 | Eulex | ruied, well, mplayer doesn't depend on gtk. gmplayer does, so you'll probably get gmplayer too then. you need to get the gtk dev package. |
| 20:57.28 | Shadowcat | ruied: how about reading the readme mplayer comes with? |
| 20:57.33 | Shadowcat | it tells you exactly what to do |
| 20:57.39 | Shadowcat | Eulex: no |
| 20:57.46 | Shadowcat | gmplayer is in mplayer |
| 20:57.50 | Shadowcat | but that's beside the point |
| 20:58.01 | Shadowcat | mplayer has a readme / INSTALL file |
| 20:58.02 | Shadowcat | GO READ IT |
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| 20:58.59 | ruied | Shadowcat, I've readed, what I was asking was what .deb package should I install since I've founf lots of gtk and dev packages... |
| 20:59.08 | Eulex | anyone know how to stream a named pipe containing mpeg4 encoded video to the net? |
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| 20:59.39 | Spec | http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ |
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| 21:00.05 | Shadowcat | ruied: let apt handle that |
| 21:00.07 | Shadowcat | that's what it's for |
| 21:00.15 | Eulex | oh, I can set up apache and put the named pipe in /var/www |
| 21:00.57 | Spec | Eulex: naa, just ignorant |
| 21:01.15 | Roey | abrotman: hey, the link you provided seems to assume that GRUB can successfully do a --recheck /dev/sda |
| 21:01.23 | abrotman | a who? |
| 21:01.32 | Roey | abrotman: a that thing. |
| 21:01.39 | Roey | abrotman: GRUB can't even install itself to my disk. |
| 21:01.43 | abrotman | sure .. i'll buy that for a dollar! |
| 21:01.47 | Roey | abrotman: I do grub --recheck /dev/sda |
| 21:01.55 | ruied | Shadowcat, I've made: apt-cache pkgnames |grep gtp |grep dev and it reports lots of packages... what package shall I install? that's my doupt... |
| 21:02.05 | Roey | abrotman: and it returns "/dev/mapper/main-host does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." |
| 21:02.07 | Spec | Eulex: there is no package named apache2, is there? |
| 21:02.14 | Shadowcat | ruied: look |
| 21:02.17 | Shadowcat | install the mplayer deb |
| 21:02.24 | Shadowcat | then let apt handle the dependencies |
| 21:02.28 | Eulex | Spec, how did I just install it then? |
| 21:02.31 | Shadowcat | do you need point click instructions too? |
| 21:02.42 | Spec | apache2-mpm-worker apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-threaded? |
| 21:02.55 | Eulex | Roey: |
| 21:02.58 | Eulex | !marillat |
| 21:02.58 | dpkg | i guess marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
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| 21:03.13 | Eulex | sorry Roey |
| 21:03.16 | Spec | oh, that gets all three of them, apache2 :p |
| 21:03.18 | Eulex | ruied, ^^ |
| 21:03.19 | Spec | i didn't know that |
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| 21:04.09 | ruied | Shadowcat, I've just instaled debian sid, does it have mplayer... fine, going to check cause debian stable didn't... |
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| 21:04.22 | settd | what is the best rss reader? any help |
| 21:04.26 | Shadowcat | ruied: why the hell are you running sid? |
| 21:04.46 | Shadowcat | and no it doesn't have mplayer |
| 21:05.01 | Spec | settd: I have no idea, but...: http://www.google.com/reader/things/intro |
| 21:05.03 | close_to_debian | How can i get 3d support forIGP 340M card in my laptop |
| 21:05.10 | close_to_debian | Glxgears gives 105fps |
| 21:05.11 | Roey | hi |
| 21:05.30 | Roey | why do I get "sudo: unable to lookup sink2 via gethostbyname()" after every command I use with sudo?? |
| 21:05.31 | ruied | Shadowcat, so how can I get mplayer? getting more confused.... |
| 21:05.45 | Shadowcat | !beat ruied |
| 21:05.50 | Shadowcat | look |
| 21:05.55 | Shadowcat | you've compiled mplayer |
| 21:05.57 | Shadowcat | you got a deb |
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| 21:05.59 | Shadowcat | go install it |
| 21:06.05 | Shadowcat | then let apt handle any dependency problems |
| 21:06.10 | Shadowcat | in idiots terms |
| 21:06.12 | Shadowcat | it means |
| 21:06.22 | Shadowcat | dpkg -i mplayer-<version>.deb |
| 21:06.37 | Shadowcat | then you get a bunch of errors about missing dependencies |
| 21:06.40 | Shadowcat | run aptitude |
| 21:06.42 | Shadowcat | and sort it out |
| 21:06.45 | Shadowcat | and if you still don't get it |
| 21:06.48 | Shadowcat | go back to Windows |
| 21:06.52 | Shadowcat | and DON'T run sid |
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| 21:07.01 | Shadowcat | cause you're most definately not skilled enough to run it |
| 21:07.41 | Eno_ | You can get mplayer from http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 21:08.04 | Eno_ | Go to the bottom to find out what you have to add to sources.list |
| 21:08.17 | Eulex | !tell ruied about marillat |
| 21:08.17 | Shadowcat | Eno_: that's besides the point |
| 21:08.22 | Shadowcat | he already compiled the deb |
| 21:08.28 | Shadowcat | and he was too stupid to type dpkg -i |
| 21:08.30 | Shadowcat | and then aptitude |
| 21:08.35 | Eno_ | Ah... |
| 21:08.37 | Shadowcat | and he's attempting to run sid |
| 21:08.49 | blondie | Shadowcat: chill ;) |
| 21:08.54 | Shadowcat | see why I have a problem with this arrangement |
| 21:09.00 | nipra | Is it necessary to reboot the system after an upgrade? |
| 21:09.05 | ruied | Shadowcat,go back to windows, ho the hell do you think you are? make my self a favour, don't writer to me again... |
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| 21:09.13 | Shadowcat | nipra: depends on what you're upgrading |
| 21:09.20 | Shadowcat | ruied: I told you what to do three times |
| 21:09.27 | Shadowcat | if you don't get it the first two times |
| 21:09.29 | ruied | by the way, I didn't compile it yet!.... |
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| 21:09.36 | Shadowcat | ruied: then go compile it |
| 21:09.38 | Eulex | nipra, new version of a kernel you've already got: yes, everything else: no |
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| 21:09.45 | Shadowcat | and stop wasting time by mouthing off |
| 21:10.14 | blondie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:10.31 | Eulex | hmm, my named pipe doesn't show up in the directory listing at http://127.0.0.1/ |
| 21:11.23 | budmaddock | ruied try apt-get -s install mplayer but use the -s so if you are missing required dependecies that won't be loaded you will be warned first. |
| 21:11.30 | abrotman | Roey: use lilo! :) |
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| 21:11.47 | Roey | abrotman: I do. |
| 21:11.48 | ruied | Shadowcat, that was the problem, compiling it..... didn't you understand that? |
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| 21:11.58 | Roey | abrotman: that's why Debian chooses LILO every time you put / on LVM, I think. |
| 21:12.05 | Roey | abrotman: because grub has trouble with it. |
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| 21:12.35 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 21:13.07 | Spec | from an article on the webernet: "If you don’t have broadband, it takes a long time to load stories, and there is always the possibility that your computer will crash or lock up, especially if the story has a lot of pictures." |
| 21:13.07 | Shadowcat | ruied: aptitude install auto-apt |
| 21:13.18 | Shadowcat | auto-apt debian/rules binary |
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| 21:14.01 | Roey | abrotman: you know that authoritatively (like, the devs said that explicitly) or ar eyou just figuring that? |
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| 21:14.38 | abrotman | Roey: well .. apparently they though it enough of a hassle to only use lilo when you put / or /boot on lvm |
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| 21:15.16 | Roey | abrotman: ah ok. |
| 21:15.26 | Roey | abrotman: I mean, grub apparently can do it... as you showed in that link. |
| 21:15.53 | abrotman | Roey: i guess .. but maybe it's iffy-ish |
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| 21:17.40 | dabaR | !win me |
| 21:17.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, dabar! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:18.02 | Shadowcat | !lamesmite dabaR |
| 21:18.05 | Shadowcat | aww |
| 21:18.08 | Shadowcat | !beat dabaR |
| 21:18.15 | zinx | !botsmite Shadowcat |
| 21:18.20 | zinx | :< |
| 21:18.31 | zinx | that should definitely be added |
| 21:18.31 | spvidz | can you help me with installing debian? my laptops reboots while installing |
| 21:18.54 | karsten | spvidz: Where, when, doing what? |
| 21:18.54 | SerajewelKS | spvidz: it's supposed to reboot at some point |
| 21:18.57 | dabaR | !seen bob2 |
| 21:18.57 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13d 14h 13m 39s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 21:19.30 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: 'nother annoying song: rainbow connection |
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| 21:19.42 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: is kermit singing ? |
| 21:19.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yup =) |
| 21:19.53 | spvidz | with network install |
| 21:20.08 | spvidz | after downloading base packages (bar at 35% more or less) |
| 21:21.01 | Shadowcat | umm no |
| 21:21.05 | Shadowcat | there are two stages of the install |
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| 21:21.17 | Shadowcat | but when it finishes stage 1 it'll sit there until you confirm |
| 21:21.21 | Shadowcat | only then will it reboot |
| 21:21.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: now that's a player, isn't it? http://gnu.ethz.ch/ocp.png |
| 21:21.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: wired wasn't a player |
| 21:21.49 | tarzeau | wired sucks |
| 21:22.09 | abrotman | because you're stupid! |
| 21:22.17 | tarzeau | uncompilable ugly stuff. |
| 21:22.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: even sokoban in nethack when hallucinating is more fun |
| 21:22.51 | Spec | well, most things are pretty fun while hallucinating.... |
| 21:22.52 | abrotman | you're just jealous because gnustep could NEVER do that kind of stuff |
| 21:22.52 | Spec | to be fair |
| 21:23.03 | blondie | is iptables just used for NAT? |
| 21:23.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: hah! if you knew www.musickit.org ! |
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| 21:23.34 | Spec | errr, tarzeau: is that a graphical equalizer in ascii? |
| 21:23.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: there aren't any screenshots! |
| 21:23.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: check www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/musickit/ the app.png! |
| 21:23.46 | gteppel | For the kernel-images-* packages what does -NUMBER after kernel-image-2.x.x denote? |
| 21:23.50 | psychonate | tarzeau, but nothing is more fun than wielding a cockatrice and stoning everything you find ;) |
| 21:23.53 | tarzeau | Spec: yes, it's got a graphic mode too, here: |
| 21:23.57 | Spec | bah |
| 21:24.00 | Spec | i don't need a graphical mode |
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| 21:24.13 | Spec | opencp is it? |
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| 21:25.06 | tarzeau | Spec: yes |
| 21:25.09 | tarzeau | Spec: #ocp ;) |
| 21:25.10 | saloxin | gteppel: kernel-image-2.x.x-debian_version_number-arch |
| 21:25.16 | tarzeau | Spec: you know the software? from dos? |
| 21:26.12 | gteppel | saloxin: does it follow the odd number is stable and even is testing for the kernel? |
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| 21:26.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: those are the bastards responsible for ED209 and trying to kill Robocop! |
| 21:26.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: who, those? and what's ED209? Robocop? |
| 21:26.57 | Spec | tarzeau: nope, i don't know the software |
| 21:27.07 | saloxin | gteppel: debian_version_number just increments with each version. debian backports security fixes to released kernel-versions, therefore the ++ |
| 21:27.14 | tarzeau | Spec: it can play ANY music |
| 21:27.15 | gteppel | ok |
| 21:27.22 | Spec | i doubt that |
| 21:27.24 | tarzeau | Spec: sid, adlib, mod, ogg, midi, mp3 |
| 21:27.24 | Spec | qcp files? |
| 21:27.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robocop |
| 21:27.36 | tarzeau | Spec: show me qcp files and the code to play it! |
| 21:27.45 | Spec | i'm not sure i can get you the code to play it |
| 21:27.46 | tarzeau | Spec: in a week it will ;) |
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| 21:27.58 | Spec | it's the format used for recording voice memos on cell phones |
| 21:28.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: yuck. terminator shit |
| 21:28.26 | Spec | i can get you a qcp file if you want :p |
| 21:28.34 | blondie | if I want to route between two networks (192.168.0. and 192.168.2.) both ways, should I use iptables or is that not necessary? |
| 21:28.35 | tarzeau | Spec: ah really don't bother |
| 21:28.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's not terminator you tard |
| 21:28.40 | Spec | i wasn't about to :p |
| 21:28.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: hehe :) |
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| 21:29.59 | saloxin | blondie: should be enough to turn on routing (ip_forward in /etc/network/options) and make sure the machine has routes both ways |
| 21:30.12 | blondie | cool |
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| 21:30.24 | PupenoL | How do I trigger reconfiguration of the apt sources ? |
| 21:30.30 | PupenoL | of the sources.list of apt. |
| 21:30.57 | saloxin | blondie: or you might consider bridging the networks with echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/proxy_arp |
| 21:31.00 | zOap | http://liw.iki.fi/liw/texts/debian-lessons.html |
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| 21:31.05 | zOap | For those interested... |
| 21:32.15 | Roey | abrotman: yeah I'm not up for iffyish stuff on production boxes. |
| 21:32.23 | Roey | abrotman: in that I want a clear-cut approach |
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| 21:32.55 | Spec | tarzeau: i'm on winxp now :-/; i'll try opencp when i get home :p |
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| 21:33.12 | tarzeau | Spec: cool! i think there's still the dos/windows version (i never got it to run on windows) |
| 21:33.36 | Spec | it's asking for a file that doesn't exist |
| 21:33.42 | zOap | Spec, windows, brrrr... |
| 21:33.42 | Spec | and i'm not keen on trying to make it work on xp anyways |
| 21:33.52 | Spec | zOap: not my fault |
| 21:33.59 | Spec | i run linux servers here at my work, at least. :) |
| 21:34.07 | zOap | I now, damn bill |
| 21:34.08 | zOap | :) |
| 21:34.12 | Spec | in fact, all of them are linux |
| 21:34.22 | Spec | except....our mail server, for some reason, is exchange :-/ |
| 21:34.28 | zOap | and all deb I hope:) |
| 21:34.32 | Spec | yeap |
| 21:34.44 | zOap | Spec, exchangeit will do the exchange job |
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| 21:34.54 | Spec | ? |
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| 21:35.01 | odla | tarzeau: b-n-b? |
| 21:35.07 | zOap | Spec, Exchangeit is a deb package |
| 21:35.20 | Spec | i'm not in control of our mail server :-/ |
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| 21:35.48 | alan__ | hello |
| 21:35.59 | zOap | Spec, it may be my mind but I can't find it in apt either..: |
| 21:36.15 | sondre | I love all boys.....lol....kiding:) |
| 21:36.27 | sondre | I'm a boy from norway;) |
| 21:36.27 | alan__ | how do you mount a harddrive that you just added as a slave onto your system .. its called hdb2 but i cant add it as a device |
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| 21:36.37 | sondre | loving norwegian |
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| 21:36.50 | zOap | sondre, me too, but I don't love boys:/ |
| 21:36.53 | odla | sondre: wtf are you talkikng about? |
| 21:37.11 | odla | you love swedes? |
| 21:37.12 | odla | he he |
| 21:37.17 | zOap | I think, to much snow on his mind |
| 21:37.24 | sondre | lol....I'm 13 ears old and I can not talk good english...lol |
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| 21:37.36 | thingfish | oh |
| 21:37.37 | tarzeau | odla: hahahah you've missed so much great BUBBLES |
| 21:37.37 | zOap | well then |
| 21:37.45 | odla | tarzeau: shit |
| 21:37.55 | tarzeau | odla: i must prepare myself for the cold snow tomorrow, going on da mountains |
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| 21:37.59 | odla | tarzeau: i've had to get stuff done today |
| 21:38.04 | odla | tarzeau: cool |
| 21:38.09 | tarzeau | odla: go try apt-get install opencubicplayer |
| 21:38.30 | tarzeau | odla: you need a secretary from ebay ;) |
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| 21:38.45 | Azar | so I am reading online and trying to draw an idea about basic security in Debian Sarge, so first thing first: services. I read that RPC and portmap sould be removed: I am preparing a box for a single user, that will not use any kind of server, basic ftp for apt upgrades, irc, and internet browsing. Removing portmap will affect also those programs? |
| 21:39.11 | odla | tarzeau: opencubicplayer? a term based media player? |
| 21:39.20 | karsten | Azar: no |
| 21:39.23 | tarzeau | odla: music yes. it can also do x! |
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| 21:39.36 | odla | tarzeau: what do you run for a wm? |
| 21:39.39 | zOap | tarzeau, I can't find it in apt? testing? |
| 21:39.40 | Azar | thank you karsten, and happy holidays btw :) |
| 21:39.46 | odla | zOap: it's in sarge |
| 21:39.57 | zOap | hmm, not in mine.. |
| 21:39.57 | odla | !info opencubicplayer etch |
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| 21:40.40 | tarzeau | zOap: opencubicplayer? it's on www.backports.org ;) |
| 21:40.41 | odla | zOap: i just ran apt-cache show opencubicplayer (i'm in sarge) and it's there |
| 21:40.50 | Azar | oh I see.. I was trying to read about NFS but http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO.html is gone.. |
| 21:40.53 | odla | tarzeau: icewm here |
| 21:40.55 | tarzeau | odla: nope can't be, it's not in sarge |
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| 21:43.05 | HymnToLife | hi all :) |
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| 21:44.00 | thingfish | HymnToLife: did you try the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 21:46.59 | Eulex | alan__, then specify the filesystem type |
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| 21:47.07 | DevilChaos | hi all |
| 21:47.08 | samuel | cheal, i can move the mouse around, but clicks dont do anything |
| 21:47.11 | alan__ | thats what i need to know |
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| 21:47.27 | alan__ | sorry to bug but how can i find that out |
| 21:47.42 | DevilChaos | need to know how to remove a mount point through webmin please |
| 21:47.44 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 21:47.47 | Eulex | alan__, what kind of partition is it? |
| 21:47.56 | alan__ | a linux kbuntu |
| 21:47.59 | Azar | alan_ Sarge usually goes with linux ext3 system type |
| 21:48.04 | DevilChaos | ntfs |
| 21:48.10 | alan__ | kbuntu is installed on there |
| 21:48.13 | Eulex | alan__, #kubuntu |
| 21:48.14 | DevilChaos | soz |
| 21:48.14 | Azar | ah |
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| 21:48.30 | Azar | alan__ you cannot apply Debian stuff on ubuntu |
| 21:48.32 | alan__ | just that drive has kbuntu on it |
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| 21:48.33 | cheal | samuel: are you sure you want to use that to configure X? |
| 21:48.34 | Azar | or kubuntu |
| 21:48.38 | odla | tarzeau: how do i select a song? with ocp? |
| 21:48.43 | Azar | it will be wrong you might mess the system |
| 21:48.43 | alan__ | but my question wasnt regarding kbuntu |
| 21:48.46 | tarzeau | odla: arrow keys and enter |
| 21:48.52 | karsten | samuel: X is running. You need to run a WM. Try killing it then running, from console, say: "startx $( which x-window-manager )" |
| 21:48.53 | Azar | kubuntu is NOT Debian |
| 21:49.03 | Eulex | alan__, well, what are you trying to mount? |
| 21:49.04 | tarzeau | Azar: yeah seen it, needs fast 3d, i never found out how to play it, you? |
| 21:49.05 | karsten | samuel: ... which should be more interesting. |
| 21:49.10 | alan__ | a harddrive |
| 21:49.17 | alan__ | a second harddrive |
| 21:49.17 | tarzeau | Azar: tried www.mtp-target.org yet? or OR http://BUB-N-BROS.SF.NET ? |
| 21:49.22 | samuel | karsten, thanks, ill give it a go |
| 21:49.24 | Azar | tarzeau plays ok with an optical mouse |
| 21:49.28 | Eulex | alan__, you don't mount a drive, you mount a partition. |
| 21:49.29 | samuel | cheal, what do you mean? |
| 21:49.31 | Azar | but on mine is soooooooo slow |
| 21:49.39 | alan__ | ok a partition |
| 21:49.44 | alan__ | hdb2 |
| 21:49.45 | Azar | and only rotates a chamber thats the single movement i got |
| 21:49.46 | alan__ | sorry |
| 21:49.48 | HymnToLife | thingfish > it tells me the linux26 image doesn't exist (i'm using the amd64 release) |
| 21:49.58 | cheal | samuel: did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg instead? |
| 21:50.05 | azeem | HymnToLife: amd64 uses 2.6 exclusively I think |
| 21:50.16 | Eulex | alan__, and you don't know what filesystem is on the drive? what did you format it as? |
| 21:50.18 | karsten | alan__: mkdir /mnt/misc; mount -t <filesystem> /dev/<partition> /mnt/misc |
| 21:50.28 | FrankHartmann | alan__ sorry my example had swapped options: mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb2 /mnt/some_dir |
| 21:50.30 | Azar | HymnToLife, you can go with 2.4 then when done change kernels: search apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 21:50.32 | karsten | alan__: ... fdisk -l /dev/hdb to see what partitions you've got. |
| 21:50.53 | tarzeau | Azar: i still got mechanical mice at home |
| 21:50.59 | zOap | tarzeau, nice spectrum!!! ocp |
| 21:50.59 | karsten | alan__: ... and if you specify '-t auto' mount can generally work it out. Good bets are ext3, ext2, vfat. |
| 21:51.00 | HymnToLife | Azar > the thing is, it won't detect my SATA drive during install |
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| 21:51.21 | Azar | HymnToLife, when you found the right kernel for your cpu, then do aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.x."yourcputypehere" |
| 21:51.23 | tarzeau | zOap: you can use a,tab,tab,pgup/pgdown(frequency) |
| 21:51.27 | tarzeau | zOap: and A keys on it |
| 21:51.39 | DevilChaos | anyone know how to remove mount points from mount table in webmin? |
| 21:51.48 | Azar | HymnToLife you have to go in BIOS at bootup and check settings |
| 21:51.53 | Eulex | HymnToLife, you could try this: |
| 21:51.53 | Azar | and "enable" SATA" |
| 21:51.59 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 21:51.59 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.12 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
| 21:52.04 | zOap | tarzeau, cool:) |
| 21:52.06 | pbryan | anyone know how I can correct dpkg about misinformation I fed about it? |
| 21:52.16 | pbryan | dpkg, the bot, not the package or binary |
| 21:52.27 | cheal | dpkg: chealer |
| 21:52.28 | dpkg | i guess chealer is an XML DTD for news channels. For readers, apt-cache search chealer reader; Also, Resident Set Size, or a bit like the borg |
| 21:52.32 | azeem | "!forget <foo>" |
| 21:52.35 | Eulex | HymnToLife, though it's inofficial and unsupported (therefore if might do anything) |
| 21:52.45 | cheal | dpkg: no, chealer is a broken factoid |
| 21:52.45 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 21:53.00 | cheal | !chealer |
| 21:53.00 | dpkg | chealer is, like, a broken factoid |
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| 21:53.18 | mike-e | !w3dcodecs |
| 21:53.19 | Azar | Eulex, how could HymnToLife install sid or etch straight from the beginning? |
| 21:53.20 | mike-e | !w3dcodec |
| 21:53.22 | pbryan | !ubuntu |
| 21:53.22 | dpkg | well, ubuntu is not debian |
| 21:53.28 | mike-e | !@!!!! |
| 21:53.30 | pbryan | see, it was much more informative about ubuntu |
| 21:53.30 | azeem | mike-e: please /msg the bot |
| 21:53.33 | mike-e | !codec |
| 21:53.33 | djtansey | has anyone here done a hd-media install, or an install onto an older machine (Pentium MMX, 96mb ram). the install seems to freeze... i'm thinking it's due to lack of memory |
| 21:53.41 | blondie | mike-e: yes? |
| 21:53.41 | mike-e | what? |
| 21:53.42 | pbryan | it used to say: See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
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| 21:53.51 | SerajewelKS | Azar: afaik the expert mode of the netinstall will let you pick stable/testing/unstable |
| 21:53.54 | pbryan | I "accidentally" overrode that, and want to set it back. |
| 21:53.58 | Eulex | Azar, eh? |
| 21:54.10 | Azar | SerajewelKS, that sound cool, never thought of that |
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| 21:54.22 | saloxin | 96mb of ram is plenty. >32m is recommended |
| 21:54.24 | Eulex | dpkg, ubuntu is See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 21:54.24 | dpkg | ...but ubuntu is already something else... |
| 21:54.30 | Eulex | dpkg, no ubuntu is See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 21:54.30 | dpkg | Eulex: okay |
| 21:54.32 | HymnToLife | Azar > what exactly do I need to change in the BIOS ? |
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| 21:54.33 | pbryan | Ah. |
| 21:54.36 | pbryan | That was easy. |
| 21:54.40 | cheal | dpkg: no, ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 21:54.40 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 21:54.42 | pbryan | It told me when I messaged it that it was too long. |
| 21:54.47 | cheal | !ubuntu |
| 21:54.47 | dpkg | methinks ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 21:54.48 | alan__ | Disk /dev/hdb: 80.0 GB, 80060424192 bytes |
| 21:54.48 | alan__ | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9733 cylinders |
| 21:54.48 | alan__ | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 21:54.51 | djtansey | how can i disable different modules or trying to find a network card in the debian install? a kernel option? (like noapm shuts off apm...) I am tryign to do a hd-media install but it keeps stopping during the network discovery... i think it might be out of ram, so i need to figure out how to have a low-mem install |
| 21:55.00 | Eulex | alan__, please don't paste |
| 21:55.00 | alan__ | is what i was trying to accses |
| 21:55.07 | Azar | HymnToLife, when you restart the PC press Del key (delete) fast and many times until the BIOS screen setup comes up |
| 21:55.13 | alan__ | sorry i didnt realize it was 3 lines |
| 21:55.17 | Azar | then investigate anything that might has to do with SATA |
| 21:55.18 | Eulex | alan__, the info you want is below that |
| 21:55.38 | pbryan | thanks cheal. |
| 21:55.39 | HymnToLife | Azar > i'm not THAT much of a noob ;) |
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| 21:55.40 | Azar | HymnToLife, your motherboard should have specific settings in BIOS to accomodate SATA |
| 21:55.45 | Azar | oh |
| 21:55.46 | Azar | sorry |
| 21:55.49 | odla | tarzeau: do i need some special package installed if it to recognize mp3s on my cd? |
| 21:55.53 | HymnToLife | the only thing there is activating/deactivating SATA |
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| 21:56.06 | HymnToLife | and of course it's activated |
| 21:56.12 | Azar | I am so sorry, I did not mean to think you are a n00b |
| 21:56.21 | Azar | ok |
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| 21:56.28 | Azar | if it is activated, then |
| 21:56.29 | HymnToLife | no problem ;) |
| 21:56.30 | Azar | holdon |
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| 21:56.33 | alan__ | http://pastebin.com/480770 is the device info |
| 21:56.35 | tarzeau | odla: nope, but there's a problem with cd rom and symlinks listing, a patch is online, but i'm waiting for a new release... |
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| 21:56.45 | dasd | ! |
| 21:56.48 | tarzeau | odla: you could pick a 0.1.4 version that doesn't have the bug. #ocp |
| 21:56.57 | jesus | CAN SOMEONE HELP ME TO INSTALL AIM1.5 ON DEBIAN LINUX |
| 21:57.04 | odla | jesus: aim? |
| 21:57.06 | odla | jesus: use gaim |
| 21:57.11 | tarzeau | odla: or copy it to harddisk :) mp3 loading is not perfect because of playlength scanning and vbr |
| 21:57.11 | odla | !tell jesus about gaim |
| 21:57.12 | odla | lol |
| 21:57.17 | HymnToLife | jesus > caps... |
| 21:57.18 | odla | ok |
| 21:57.24 | jesus | what |
| 21:57.25 | jesus | gaim |
| 21:57.32 | jesus | gaim.com? |
| 21:57.34 | tarzeau | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 21:57.37 | samuel | cheal, karsten i think that that does it for X, thanks! what is the default login manager for KDE? |
| 21:57.41 | Eno_ | http://gaim.sf.net |
| 21:57.53 | odla | ha ha ha |
| 21:57.55 | jesus | is there n e way |
| 21:58.04 | SerajewelKS | !ne |
| 21:58.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, ne is the driver for ISA NE2000 compatible NICs, or neon, or short for "not equal", or l33t speak for "any" |
| 21:58.05 | Eno_ | apt-get install gaim |
| 21:58.07 | jesus | you uninstall programs from linux |
| 21:58.08 | jesus | > |
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| 21:58.45 | Azar | HymnToLife: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s3.1.1 and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.en |
| 21:58.58 | cheal | samuel: if you mean the KDE display manager, it's kdm |
| 21:59.02 | HymnToLife | thanks, i'll check this out |
| 21:59.19 | samuel | cheal, is that the login program? |
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| 21:59.57 | cheal | samuel: I guess. it's equivalent to gdm or xdm |
| 22:00.08 | Eulex | alan__, lol, you're trying to mount an extended partition! an extended partition contains no file system |
| 22:00.22 | tarzeau | zOap: you know what's cool in ocp? you can press altgr-\ and then change speed/pitch independently on music filesw |
| 22:00.23 | samuel | cheal, thanks |
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| 22:00.37 | tarzeau | zOap: it's cool to play music faster/slower. or at a diffferent pitch than usual ;) |
| 22:00.38 | jesus | i need gaim for debian agnula demudi linux tho |
| 22:00.47 | alan__ | which one of those partions is the filesystem/ |
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| 22:01.06 | joelmax | hi |
| 22:01.06 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:01.06 | dpkg | <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night |
| 22:01.20 | soymilk | tarzeau: you mean i can make all my stuff sound like satan? excellent! |
| 22:01.30 | mmars | ha! |
| 22:01.37 | Eulex | alan__, hdb1 and hdb5. but no it's beginning to become kubuntu-specific. go ask in #kubuntu |
| 22:01.45 | joelmax | i need repository the azureus |
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| 22:02.10 | alan__ | okay thanks alot |
| 22:02.13 | alan__ | have a good one |
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| 22:02.17 | Azar | HymnToLife, in all manuals I look around there is no CLEAR statement about how, or if SATA will work with Sarge or with a 2.6.x kernel, however, people HERE use SATA so it will be a secret shared |
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| 22:02.26 | mathias64 | what is the command to dempile a compiled terminfo file? |
| 22:02.28 | tarzeau | soymilk: you can pitch from 3-800% |
| 22:02.32 | mathias64 | decompile that is |
| 22:02.37 | joelmax | i need repository debian the azureus |
| 22:02.54 | Azar | SATA configuration in Sarge with a kernel 2.6.x is not being officially published yet on online manuals |
| 22:03.00 | Shadowcat | joelmax: you don't need |
| 22:03.02 | Shadowcat | you want |
| 22:03.03 | Shadowcat | !need |
| 22:03.08 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 22:03.09 | hysteric | those someone has an idea why there would be collisions on my ethernet card when it is plugged in a switch? |
| 22:03.25 | tarzeau | soymilk: and speed 6-800% |
| 22:03.28 | joelmax | why? |
| 22:03.29 | relic | hysteric, ? |
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| 22:03.42 | Eulex | bwahahahahahahahhaa |
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| 22:04.05 | tarzeau | it's fun on slow music making it extra slow, and fast music a bit faster |
| 22:04.06 | hysteric | relic: when I do ifconfig, it shows that I have 2000+ collisions on eth0 |
| 22:04.13 | mathias64 | i am trying to figure out what is going on with bash in sid |
| 22:04.17 | Azar | tarzeau which game? |
| 22:04.17 | Eulex | he was trying to mount to mount his "/dev/hdb2 32 9733 77931315 5 Extended" partition :DDDDDDD |
| 22:04.24 | relic | hysteric, oh, that's too bad |
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| 22:04.27 | hysteric | relic: but the cable is plugged in a switch, so that doesn't make sense |
| 22:04.31 | tarzeau | Azar: not a game, a music player, http://packages.debian.org/opencubicplayer |
| 22:04.36 | joelmax | Shadowcat: i want |
| 22:04.39 | lac | I have installed the python2.4-devel package. Now I have installed a different program that wants to find /usr/lib/python/2.4/config |
| 22:04.43 | Azar | tarzeau, ah nice |
| 22:04.43 | drivamgr2006 | joelmax: need, specifies that what you are asking for is required... want, specifies you would like it. it is not required, but something you would like! |
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| 22:04.44 | soymilk | tarzeau: actually sometimes i do that with mplayer also - like to watch familiar actors suddenly become minions of satan. its hilarious |
| 22:04.53 | Shadowcat | !tell joelmax about azureus |
| 22:04.58 | lac | but that directory is not there. Does debian put it someplace else? |
| 22:05.00 | mathias64 | how to I tell terminfo to use a specific terminfo file for xterm instead of the default one? |
| 22:05.04 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 22:05.04 | joelmax | i want install azureus |
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| 22:05.07 | krikke | hi |
| 22:05.07 | tarzeau | soymilk: hehe |
| 22:05.10 | krikke | installed xorg |
| 22:05.17 | Azar | tarzeau have you tried "Pathological" game? |
| 22:05.19 | mtretin | How come when I install the package x-window-system from testing there is no XF86Config-4 file in /etc/X11 |
| 22:05.21 | drivamgr2006 | !azureus |
| 22:05.22 | krikke | but xfree86 has problems with the mouse |
| 22:05.30 | tarzeau | Azar: yeah didn't like it. tried "Pathogen" game? |
| 22:05.34 | krikke | no device found: /dev/input/mice |
| 22:05.37 | krikke | is that common? |
| 22:05.44 | Azar | tarzeau, no : Pathological |
| 22:05.45 | Shadowcat | !azureus is <reply> To install azureus, type aptitude install azureus AFTER adding contrib and non-free to your sources. | Ask me about <contrib> <non-free> |
| 22:05.45 | dpkg | okay, Shadowcat |
| 22:05.55 | tarzeau | Azar: yeah i didn't like pathological |
| 22:06.08 | tarzeau | Azar: but i finished all levels of GNU Robbo (gnurobbo) |
| 22:06.17 | Azar | :) nice |
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| 22:06.26 | tarzeau | gnurobbo is one of the best games! |
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| 22:06.30 | cheal | krikke: what's the relation between the fact that you installed X.org and that XFree86 has problems with the mouse? |
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| 22:06.51 | joelmax | i need the source non-free |
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| 22:07.08 | krikke | running xorg gives problem with xfree86 |
| 22:07.09 | Azar | last night I got 8 games, which I liked: FreeDroid, Holotz Castle, Penguin Command, trackballs. Enigma, Stratagus and Frozen Bubble |
| 22:07.12 | krikke | brb |
| 22:07.40 | Azar | tarzeau gnurobbo did not work for me, low memory handicap |
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| 22:07.52 | oohlaf | How do I map compose (or multi_key) as xkboptions to both left and right winkeys? |
| 22:07.52 | HymnToLife | Azar > couldn't find anything in there... think I'm gonna ask google :p |
| 22:07.54 | cheal | krikke: you have *both* X.org and XFree86 installed? |
| 22:08.02 | tarzeau | Azar: what about supertux? supertransball2 ? |
| 22:08.13 | Shadowcat | !tell joelmax about non-free |
| 22:08.25 | cheal | Azar: and what about neverball? |
| 22:08.32 | Azar | HymnToLife, as here: WHO MIGHT BE USING SATA, AND HOW IT GOT THE INSTALLATION / KERNEL UPGRAD ON IT ? |
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| 22:08.40 | phycho | hey guys, iam trying to unmount a usb pendrive and it says its busy |
| 22:08.43 | phycho | how do i close all open files? |
| 22:08.44 | Azar | cheal, neverball did not work |
| 22:08.46 | tarzeau | Azar: and the ones available with scummvm? |
| 22:08.48 | phycho | to let me unmount? |
| 22:08.48 | Shadowcat | !tell Azar about caps |
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| 22:09.00 | DevilChaos | anyone use webmin here cant find alot regarding on the net as it stands im still looking need help with unmountind /dev/hd**** what ever please |
| 22:09.06 | krikke | problem solved |
| 22:09.07 | krikke | th |
| 22:09.08 | krikke | x |
| 22:09.09 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: i think quoting other people is fine |
| 22:09.10 | Azar | some games, have no command options available on my screen, would not respond to kbd or mouse |
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| 22:09.17 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
| 22:09.29 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: you can't expect people to run quotes through tolower() |
| 22:09.30 | cheal | Azar: that's not good |
| 22:09.35 | Azar | shadowcat, sorry I was trying to help HymnToLife |
| 22:09.57 | Azar | cheal, I guess 64MB of ram on my video card is not enough for all games |
| 22:10.11 | DevilChaos | 128mb min |
| 22:10.15 | Azar | some games fill up the screen and I have no means to exit them |
| 22:10.33 | FrankHartmann | phycho, try lsof | grep mount_point |
| 22:10.49 | mtretin | XF86Config-4 isn't in /etc/X11 after installing/configuring, there is a xorg.conf files which apperas to be the same thing, however, it doesn't seem like its being used. What's goin on? |
| 22:10.54 | cheal | Azar: I run neverball on an Intel 900 GMA with 32 MB of shared RAM |
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| 22:11.03 | Azar | HymnToLife, try googling Debian Sarge and SATA |
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| 22:11.19 | Azar | cheal did you tried Enigma? |
| 22:11.20 | djtansey | is it possible to tell debian-installer to not attempt network detection? |
| 22:11.22 | cheal | mtretin: why do you say that it doesn't seem like it's being used? |
| 22:11.22 | phycho | heh it was because i was in that dir |
| 22:11.25 | cheal | Azar: no |
| 22:11.28 | Azar | try it |
| 22:11.29 | DevilChaos | webmin anyone is doing my head in? |
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| 22:11.36 | cheal | Azar: maybe one day |
| 22:11.48 | Azar | cheal it takes 10 min to install and preview |
| 22:11.49 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
| 22:12.03 | botsy | anybody use qpopper and fetchmail ? |
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| 22:12.06 | Azar | I loved it at first sight |
| 22:12.06 | jesus | i need GAIM help |
| 22:12.20 | mtretin | cheal: all my 'screen's are to be at 1024x768 only, yet X seems to be in 640x480 |
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| 22:12.42 | Eno_ | jesus: Ask your question :) |
| 22:12.56 | Azar | mtretin you have to reconfigure Xfree and specify the favorite resolution and at least 3 resolutions to be used |
| 22:13.04 | jesus | which gaim should i download for debian demudi linux |
| 22:13.14 | cheal | mtretin: did you check X's log? I have to go for now |
| 22:13.31 | azeem | jesus: what different gaims are there? |
| 22:13.38 | Azar | 640x480 should be picked allways, with the favorite to run for 1024x768 |
| 22:13.39 | Eno_ | jesus: Actually, we can't help you here. You are in the wrong channel... |
| 22:13.41 | cheal | jesus: demudi is not supported here |
| 22:13.54 | Eno_ | jesus: This channel is about just plain old Debian |
| 22:13.58 | mtretin | Azar: is needing three resloutions to be used? and to pick a favority, do I just speceify it first in the list of resloutions? |
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| 22:14.06 | mtretin | cheal: thanks |
| 22:14.19 | Azar | mtretin, no, but I like to have 3 on my sleeve |
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| 22:14.32 | Eno_ | jesus: But it's a good guess that "apt-get install gaim" will work. |
| 22:14.44 | tarzeau | Eulex, odla, Azar btw have you watched toy story 1 + 2? |
| 22:14.55 | tarzeau | !seen nvz |
| 22:14.55 | dpkg | nvz <n=nvz@c-24-3-200-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 22h 38m 52s ago, saying: 'abrotman: pictures are for people who dont remember or werent there'. |
| 22:14.57 | Azar | mtretin from 1024x768 (inclusive) down 2 more extra |
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| 22:15.05 | penguin | Where are the docs for apache2? |
| 22:15.08 | HymnToLife | Azar > the only workaround I found was istalling a 32bit distro |
| 22:15.09 | Eulex | mtretin, you do only need to select one resolution if you only want to use one; then X will fail too if it fails to set the mode you want |
| 22:15.12 | Azar | tarzeau, alas no and I forgot to tell mom to buy it for me |
| 22:15.13 | Eulex | tarzeau, I do |
| 22:15.17 | mtretin | Azar: i see, but if only one resolution is given in xorg.conf, and that resolution is 1024x768, why woudln't I get that resolution when i start x |
| 22:15.22 | HymnToLife | the thing is, I haven't dowloaded all the ISOs yet |
| 22:15.29 | HymnToLife | can I still install it ? |
| 22:15.31 | Moeen | anybody use Gaim as Google-Talk here ? |
| 22:15.35 | Eulex | mtretin, check your log. it has the answers. |
| 22:15.35 | Anyone | soundblaster live 5.1 platinium seems a little expensive.. |
| 22:15.46 | penguin | Anyone know where the docs are at? |
| 22:15.49 | Azar | HymnToLife, you might have same issue I have: a 64bit "capable" kit, with a plain IDE HD |
| 22:15.52 | Eulex | HymnToLife, you only need the first iso. |
| 22:15.57 | Anyone | penguin, which docs? |
| 22:16.07 | penguin | apache2 |
| 22:16.11 | mtretin | Eulex: Thanks for the tip. |
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| 22:16.13 | Anyone | penguin, apache.org |
| 22:16.15 | Moeen | penguin, it must be in /usr/share/doc/apache2 |
| 22:16.15 | Azar | HymnToLife, but THEN you should "disable" SATA in BIOS, unless you use a genuine SATA HD |
| 22:16.21 | penguin | thanks |
| 22:16.22 | Anyone | penguin, /usr/share/doc/apache2 maybe |
| 22:16.25 | Eulex | HymnToLife, btw, is the box you want to install linux on connected to the net? |
| 22:16.37 | penguin | couldnt remember for a moment |
| 22:16.37 | HymnToLife | Eulex > I could do it |
| 22:16.38 | Anyone | !SOUNDCARD |
| 22:16.38 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 22:16.42 | HymnToLife | but on ialup -_- |
| 22:16.44 | DevilChaos | Maulkin:? |
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| 22:17.38 | Eulex | HymnToLife, oh. then you want the first 2 or 3 cds. |
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| 22:17.55 | HymnToLife | I have the first 9 ones |
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| 22:18.31 | Azar | HymnToLife, everyone here knows and I am sorry, but I feel more in command when I start installing Woody then during installaion apt upgrades automatically to Sarge. I start with a 2.4 kernel allways then after installaiton I go to 2.6.8 for my specific cpu |
| 22:18.36 | Eulex | HymnToLife, that's more than enough |
| 22:18.41 | Anyone | I was wrong .... seems 5.1 isn't so expensive after all. |
| 22:19.04 | Eulex | Azar, umh? why install woody? |
| 22:19.15 | Azar | Eulex, maybe woody woud be more forgiving with his PC at first |
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| 22:19.31 | Azar | Eulex because woody is more forgiving regarding hardware |
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| 22:19.50 | Eulex | Azar, heh, but the sarge installer is much more newbie-friendly |
| 22:19.55 | Azar | Sarge borks on "politically incorrect hardware or BIOS settings" |
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| 22:20.11 | Eulex | Azar, and the 2.4 kernel on the sarge install works on most hardware |
| 22:21.37 | HymnToLife | I agree with Eulex |
| 22:21.37 | tarzeau | Azar: it also borks on new hardware that the stone age kernel just didn't know about |
| 22:21.37 | Azar | Eulex, the new sarge installer looks nice, I like the colors |
| 22:21.37 | Azar | ...but |
| 22:21.37 | Azar | ...I was not able to figure out the partition menu navigation |
| 22:21.38 | tarzeau | haha, Azar that was fun :) "i like the colors about the sarge installer" |
| 22:21.38 | Azar | tarzeau, really it is a eye catcher |
| 22:21.38 | tarzeau | Azar: you should tell that the guys who developed it, i'm sure they'll like to hear that |
| 22:21.38 | Eulex | almost qotd :) |
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| 22:21.39 | xsdg | bah; how do I run something and get the return value? (in bash) |
| 22:21.47 | tarzeau | xsdg: echo $? |
| 22:21.58 | xsdg | aah :o) |
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| 22:23.34 | witten_ | anyone know of a good 802.11g pci wireless card that works in linux without ndiswrapper? |
| 22:23.35 | billr578 | i have a linksys eg1032 module issue if someone could give me a minute of their time... |
| 22:23.41 | Jinkguns | witten, usually you can look inside a kernel to figure that out. :D |
| 22:24.18 | witten_ | Jinkguns: I looked at the help in the kernel config, but that doesn't really tell me which cards work well or can currently be found in stores |
| 22:24.24 | Jinkguns | here, just a sec I'll boot up my debian machine and check. :/ |
| 22:24.31 | Jinkguns | + |
| 22:24.48 | Eulex | witten_, look up the chipsets of the cards you find in a store |
| 22:24.52 | satan | it just seemed appropriate. :D |
| 22:25.11 | witten_ | Eulex: that was my fallback plan if no one here had any actual models.. |
| 22:25.31 | witten_ | just trying to avoid multiple trips to frys two days after christmas :) |
| 22:25.47 | Eulex | witten_, hard to know what will be in your store. |
| 22:25.58 | anapivirtua | hello |
| 22:26.15 | anapivirtua | where i can find httpd-2.2 in deb packet ? (apache 2.2) |
| 22:26.22 | witten_ | well, you can be pretty sure it'll be a bunch of 802.11g cards rather than, say, some original linksys wmp11 802.11b cards that work great in linux |
| 22:26.40 | billr578 | anapivirtua: you can look on debian.org |
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| 22:26.49 | anapivirtua | ok thx :) |
| 22:26.56 | Eno_ | packages.debian.org |
| 22:27.04 | Azar | ...so it was for me hard to figure out how to partition with sarge installer, I did not know how to navigate the options, did not see the familar screen where it shows the size of the HD, the list with "type" of partition.. I really tried... but I had to give up |
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| 22:27.35 | witten_ | azar: you could try ubuntu's installer |
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| 22:27.46 | Azar | witten_ no thanks |
| 22:28.19 | Azar | woody installation is easy as a breeze.. in 15 min I do the 1st CD base install |
| 22:28.28 | d0uglas | i'm about to lease/colo a box and this isp would charge 75 extra to throw debian on for me.. is it possible to do a remote installation with no disk changing or whatever to get debian fired up on the box without having to pay them 75 to pop in the businesscard iso? |
| 22:28.47 | satan | Alright, I have the chipsets of supported wireless cards, ready? You can just google them. |
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| 22:28.49 | witten_ | d0uglas: it is possible to do a remote install if it's already running, say, redhat |
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| 22:29.07 | witten_ | I've done it.. it's quite a process :) |
| 22:29.08 | d0uglas | fedora, centos and freebsd are my options |
| 22:29.17 | d0uglas | and not debian freebsd either :( |
| 22:29.22 | d0uglas | so Yes is the answer |
| 22:29.39 | witten_ | d0uglas: go with fedora |
| 22:29.42 | Moeen | anybody tried resize_reiserfs ? is it safe ? |
| 22:29.44 | witten_ | a switchover to debian shouldn't be bad |
| 22:29.45 | Shadowcat | fedora sucks |
| 22:29.57 | witten_ | Shadowcat: you didn't see the start of this conversation, apparently |
| 22:30.03 | saloxin | d0uglas: ask for a decent sized swap - this will be your install target probably |
| 22:30.07 | satan | witten_ you want those cards now? |
| 22:30.12 | witten_ | satan: yeah |
| 22:30.17 | Shadowcat | wired_: i did |
| 22:30.20 | d0uglas | well in the meantime i kinda want to dabble for a few minutes on freebsd, any reason not to for the install purposes? |
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| 22:30.22 | Eno_ | What if you screw it up and it won't boot? |
| 22:30.22 | Shadowcat | I still say it sucks :P |
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| 22:30.34 | magyar | why do i have repeat module loads in system strtup: "module already loaded" ? |
| 22:30.40 | d0uglas | ahh the swap |
| 22:30.45 | witten_ | d0uglas: I'm not sure if freebsd->debian is any more difficult than fedora->debian for a remote install |
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| 22:31.36 | Eno_ | So it's possible to install debian without rebooting into the installer? How? I'm curious :) |
| 22:31.44 | satan | Arlan 655 and IC2200 Series, Aironet 4500/4800 series, Prism54 PCI a/b/g |
| 22:31.49 | satan | Google those. |
| 22:31.49 | Eno_ | Does it involve a chroot? |
| 22:31.58 | witten_ | Eno_: you basically just do everyone the installer does, but manually |
| 22:32.01 | saloxin | d0uglas: check out fx http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 22:32.01 | satan | But, I'm satan so I could be lying. |
| 22:32.02 | witten_ | er, everything |
| 22:32.04 | Eno_ | Ah.. |
| 22:32.12 | witten_ | satan: thanks |
| 22:32.14 | d0uglas | Cool saloxin |
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| 22:32.22 | Eno_ | That sounds tricky. |
| 22:32.23 | billr578 | has anyone installed a linksys EG1032 gigabit network card using the r8169 module? |
| 22:32.40 | satan | I dunno if they are still made, the Arlan Aironet was bought by cisco, which also bought linksys. |
| 22:32.49 | Eulex | billr578, someone certainly has |
| 22:32.59 | satan | But I don't know of any linksys cards with no nwrapper support. |
| 22:33.01 | satan | *none |
| 22:33.13 | satan | But I haven't set up a linux wireless network either. :/ |
| 22:33.24 | saloxin | Eno_: it is slightly tricky, you need to keep partitions sorted through some reboots |
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| 22:33.42 | satan | I'm just a cisco networking drop out, all hail the mighty cisco... IT OWNS YOUR NETWORK. |
| 22:33.43 | witten_ | satan: it was pretty easy back in the 802.11b days |
| 22:34.02 | Azar | someone has same opinion as I have: "The standard Debian installer fits a very broad set of needs: flexible installs on multiple architectures from a range of media with minimal assumptions as to graphical support, modular, usable over any and all network transports and other console access mechanisms, and resistant to hardware problems. " http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:V3kQYVxKXC0J:linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html+Debian+Sa |
| 22:34.02 | witten_ | now all these 802.11g cards have windows-only drivers |
| 22:34.14 | billr578 | i'm not looking to do wireless. just trying to get it to work in my dell server (first issue right there ;-) ) |
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| 22:34.30 | billr578 | its a wired card anyway.... |
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| 22:34.58 | satan | Can't say that I've any experince with that particular card bill. |
| 22:35.16 | billr578 | i don't think most people have...thanks though.... |
| 22:35.28 | d0uglas | for a coloed box to do primarily web serving stuff and some sql what's a safe parition size for debian |
| 22:35.33 | satan | But if you sell me your soul, I can work something out with the kernel maintainers if you want to wait a few months... :D |
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| 22:36.01 | satan | d0uglas, depends on how much data you want to web serve, don't you think? |
| 22:36.12 | d0uglas | no, i'd just use another partition |
| 22:36.20 | satan | Oh okay. |
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| 22:36.40 | d0uglas | i'm thinking about the remote installation in which i'd need to install onto the swap partition |
| 22:36.45 | satan | Eh, without any GUI installed, you'd be safe at about 2 GB, and that's probably overkill. |
| 22:36.55 | billr578 | satan: nah, i'm good thanks. :-) |
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| 22:37.27 | d0uglas | well 2GB for the swap's a reasonable number either way |
| 22:37.28 | satan | I hope your not letting silly stories from disgruntled former employees affecting your decision. Bill Gates loves me. |
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| 22:38.12 | bjblaz | what's the debian way of setting /usr/bin/python to point to python2.4? and other associated bookkeeping... |
| 22:38.24 | saloxin | d0uglas: ah, the swap install is usually temporary, untill you wipe former / and install there. Getting away with only one crucial reboot is like cheating :-) |
| 22:38.30 | karsten | bjblaz: /etc/alternatives, nenerally. |
| 22:38.39 | SimonRaven | bjblaz: should've done that already. update-alternatives else |
| 22:39.19 | d0uglas | well it'd be a bet i'd have $75 riding on |
| 22:39.21 | bjblaz | hmm, okay i'll take a look, thanks. |
| 22:39.29 | d0uglas | the ISP's "custom partitioning" fee |
| 22:40.02 | b0xy | how do I run a program? I untarred Firefox to a directory and I'm in that directory now with all the files. how do I execute? |
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| 22:40.25 | Omnix | b0xy: why not install it with apt-get? |
| 22:40.28 | karsten | b0xy: Make sure it's executable. ./<program name> |
| 22:40.37 | karsten | b0xy: ... and what Omnix said. |
| 22:40.37 | b0xy | Omnix: I tried |
| 22:40.42 | SimonRaven | now see, i don't charge myself to partition a drive ;) |
| 22:40.42 | b0xy | I couldn't find the package |
| 22:40.48 | b0xy | apt-get install firefox didnt work |
| 22:40.55 | d0uglas | mozilla-firefox, yo |
| 22:40.56 | karsten | !tell b0xy about search |
| 22:41.06 | Eulex | b0xy, umh, why didn't you use apt-get? |
| 22:41.07 | Omnix | b0xy: in unstable, it's "firefox", in stable it's "mozilla-firefox" I think. Try "apt-cache search firefox" in future |
| 22:41.16 | b0xy | ah. got it karsten. I was forgetting my slash |
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| 22:41.23 | satan | It's mozilla-firefox |
| 22:41.35 | SimonRaven | was, got renamed |
| 22:41.41 | zOap | I need help with libao, If I want it to use the alsa driver present what do I type into libao.conf? |
| 22:41.43 | b0xy | ah |
| 22:41.52 | SimonRaven | mozilla-firefox is now just a meta-package |
| 22:41.57 | SimonRaven | (for sid) |
| 22:42.08 | Eulex | zOap, default_driver=alsa |
| 22:42.12 | Azar | that sounds interesting, SimonRaven |
| 22:42.14 | satan | to what? |
| 22:42.17 | karsten | b0xy: OK. |
| 22:42.18 | bjblaz | it appears there are no alternatives for python |
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| 22:42.21 | bjblaz | am i supposed to create one? |
| 22:42.24 | SimonRaven | firefox |
| 22:42.26 | zOap | Eulex, thanks dude:) |
| 22:42.37 | bjblaz | i thought alternatives was for classes of programs anyway, not for versions of the same program |
| 22:42.38 | Eulex | zOap, yw |
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| 22:42.51 | Azar | so SimonRaven, you say they change the package name again, recently? |
| 22:42.56 | b0xy | how do i configure X to start with a different window manager than what I have defaulted? |
| 22:42.58 | karsten | bjblaz: What versions of python do you have installed? |
| 22:42.58 | b0xy | where is that config? |
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| 22:43.04 | bjblaz | 2.3, 2.4 |
| 22:43.04 | satan | bjblaz, creating your own programming langugae alternative to python is only required to install gentoo. :) |
| 22:43.25 | bjblaz | i'm not looking for a programming language alternative |
| 22:43.29 | Eulex | bjblaz, sorry, there are no alternatives to it. and you'll find out that making python 2.4 or something the default is a not that good idea anyway, because some python modules do not exist for 2.3 yet. |
| 22:43.31 | bjblaz | i just want python to be python2.4, not python2.3 |
| 22:43.33 | SimonRaven | bjblaz: you can if you like, but when you install 'python', it's supposed to use the most recent or something (can't remember details ATM) |
| 22:43.53 | Azar | b0xy, check the file named Xsession in /etc/X11 |
| 22:44.12 | Eulex | bjblaz, stuff *will* break if you change the default to 2.4. |
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| 22:44.33 | b0xy | thank you |
| 22:44.40 | bjblaz | that's silly. |
| 22:44.52 | bjblaz | oh well, that's all right, i guess i'll manage. |
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| 22:45.17 | Azar | b0xy you are mainly concerned with the line at USERXSESSION (there you can insert preferences) |
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| 22:45.24 | Eulex | bjblaz, yeah, ain't it? I tried doing it, only to see apt-listchanges (or was it apt-listbugs) fail next time I tried to apt-get something |
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| 22:46.20 | Eulex | bjblaz, there was something more that started failing too, don't remember what though |
| 22:46.21 | beginer | "samba is already the newest version" what version of samba i have? how can i check version of any package? |
| 22:46.30 | Eulex | beginer, apt-cache policy samba |
| 22:46.50 | beginer | tnx :) |
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| 22:47.33 | Eulex | beginer, look at installed: |
| 22:47.35 | b0xy | I'm not seeing the default WM in XSession |
| 22:47.44 | phaedrus_ | anyone have time to tell me the basics of compiling kernel? |
| 22:48.04 | Eulex | b0xy, update-alternatives --list x-window-manager |
| 22:48.26 | phaedrus_ | i basically need to disable 4k stacks |
| 22:48.53 | Eulex | b0xy, how are you launching X? |
| 22:48.55 | b0xy | Eulex: how do I choose which one starts when i type "startx'? |
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| 22:50.33 | junior | karina |
| 22:50.49 | Anyone | phaedrus_, not really |
| 22:50.54 | Anyone | phaedrus_, try #kernel |
| 22:50.57 | Eulex | b0xy, man startx |
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| 22:51.05 | phaedrus_ | ok thank y ou |
| 22:51.20 | Anyone | phaedrus_, however, the README in kernel source, and Documentation directory, are great starting points! |
| 22:51.39 | phaedrus_ | ok great |
| 22:51.44 | Anyone | phaedrus_, a new thing, is "make xconfig" and/or "make gconfig". |
| 22:51.53 | phaedrus_ | what kernel source directory? |
| 22:51.55 | phaedrus_ | where i mean? |
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| 22:52.00 | Anyone | phaedrus_, root |
| 22:52.05 | Anyone | phaedrus_, root of it. |
| 22:52.11 | phaedrus_ | ah\ |
| 22:52.17 | deadcat | phaedrus_: /usr/src maybe |
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| 22:52.43 | Anyone | phaedrus_, oh .. and /proc/"something" has your current config. You can copy it to ".config" in the source-dir, and do a "make oldconfig". |
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| 22:53.01 | phaedrus_ | whoa |
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| 22:53.30 | phaedrus_ | i got no proc |
| 22:53.36 | Anyone | phaedrus_, mount /proc |
| 22:53.53 | Eulex | phaedrus_, your config is in /boot |
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| 22:55.03 | phaedrus_ | called config-2.6.12-1-586tsc ? |
| 22:55.45 | Eulex | phaedrus_, yes, if your kernel is 2.6.12-1-586tsc |
| 22:55.48 | hans0lo | Anyone know how to copy a DVD movie? |
| 22:56.34 | phaedrus_ | ok |
| 22:56.53 | phaedrus_ | so if the 4k stacks option doesnt show in that file than i have to recompile? |
| 22:57.17 | Eulex | phaedrus_, btw, no such package in debian. are you using debian? |
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| 22:57.24 | spatulasnout | hi, anyone know how to add "/opt/include" to default gcc include path? |
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| 22:57.24 | karsten | Anyone know what happened to the Debian 2.6.11 kernel packages, and/or where I can find the 686 version's config file? |
| 22:57.39 | phaedrus_ | yeah debian |
| 22:57.51 | karsten | spatulasnout: RTFIP |
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| 22:58.01 | phaedrus_ | Eulex, yeah debian im trying to disable 4k stacks |
| 22:58.08 | cheal | karsten: hum, what do you mean? they were removed from the archive? |
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| 22:58.26 | karsten | cheal: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.11 |
| 22:59.15 | karsten | cheal: ... s/kernel-/linux-/ just for completeness, the name switch happened at .12 IIRC. |
| 22:59.17 | Eulex | phaedrus_, where did you get the kernel? debian doesn't provide kernels optimized for 586 |
| 22:59.19 | spatulasnout | karsten: acronymfinder.com didn't help me with RTFIP... although i presume it's READ THE FUCKING something-or-other |
| 22:59.27 | karsten | spatulasnout: info page. |
| 22:59.28 | phaedrus_ | uh |
| 22:59.37 | spatulasnout | karsten: lol, thx |
| 22:59.40 | phaedrus_ | it is a mepis distro |
| 22:59.48 | Eulex | !mepis |
| 22:59.48 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 22:59.50 | karsten | spatulasnout: Personally, I hate info... |
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| 23:00.17 | spatulasnout | karsten: not too fond of it either... i've been reading the online gcc docs so far |
| 23:00.23 | phaedrus_ | oh |
| 23:00.24 | phaedrus_ | damn |
| 23:00.27 | phaedrus_ | sorry |
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| 23:00.38 | phaedrus_ | can you help me just get debian? |
| 23:00.46 | Eulex | !d-i |
| 23:00.46 | phaedrus_ | i have another partition i could use |
| 23:00.46 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:01.09 | karsten | !tell phaedrus_ about debian-installer |
| 23:01.19 | karsten | !beer Eulex |
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| 23:01.26 | phaedrus_ | lol |
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| 23:01.56 | Eulex | hehe |
| 23:02.21 | karsten | spatulasnout: ... anyhow, somewhere in the mass of gcc docs, include paths are likely specified. You'll probably want to set a Makefile variable when you figure it out. |
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| 23:02.40 | karsten | spatulasnout: ... might ask on debian-devel or a similar list as builders will know more than users. |
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| 23:03.06 | karsten | Does make-kpkg support -J options and if so how? |
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| 23:03.40 | karsten | ... possibly via MAKEFLAGS? |
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| 23:04.32 | karsten | Ah. CONCURRENCY_LEVEL. |
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| 23:04.48 | spatulasnout | karsten: thanks |
| 23:05.00 | karsten | spatulasnout: NP, FWIW. |
| 23:05.15 | zOap | weird, mpg321 -v filename works as supposed to in xterm, mrxvt. But in wterm and Gnome-terminal it can't hold the frames in one place and instead scrolls downwards. Cool, but not as supposed too... |
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| 23:10.04 | phaedrus_ | i have an athlon proc ....what iso do i want from the debian page? |
| 23:10.15 | zOap | how do I release alsa or oss? Sometimes an app hangs and so does the driver... |
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| 23:11.53 | charzero | My system will not shutdown, halt, reboot, or init 0. "init:timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl" why? |
| 23:12.02 | xsdg | phaedrus_: i386 (unless it's an athlon64, in which case you'd want amd64) |
| 23:12.26 | xsdg | charzero: is this the first time it's happened, or has it happened repeatedly? |
| 23:13.00 | charzero | xsdg: first time. |
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| 23:13.34 | charzero | xsdg: i may have upgraded init in the last month of uptime, i don't remember. |
| 23:14.26 | mzilikazi | zOap: try fuser -k /dev/dsp |
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| 23:14.31 | xsdg | charzero: hmm |
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| 23:15.06 | xsdg | charzero: what are the major and minor device numbers for /dev/initctl? |
| 23:15.11 | xmath | what's a good choice for a root filesystem on an MMC/SD card? (flash but already with translation layer, so all that matters is minimizing number of block-writes) |
| 23:15.38 | xsdg | xmath: I forget exactly what it is, but ask in #handhelds.org |
| 23:15.52 | xmath | okay.. I was wondering what a good channel was to ask in :-) |
| 23:16.03 | DragonDav | I'm new to debian and just got a debian server... i've had a FC3 server for a while now and was jsut wondering where i should start setting it up... |
| 23:17.03 | charzero | xsdg: how do i tell? |
| 23:17.07 | xmath | it's not possible at all to use VFAT as root fs is it? someone mentioned uvfat but it appears very dead |
| 23:17.18 | deadcat | i dont seem to have flash on firefox 1.5, what seesm to be the problem? |
| 23:17.21 | zOap | mzilikazi, thanks, worked great:) |
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| 23:17.23 | deadcat | i had it in 1.07 |
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| 23:17.37 | charzero | xsdg: just 0 i think. |
| 23:18.42 | charzero | xmath: why would you want to? |
| 23:18.46 | DragonDav | where does linux store the encripted passwords? |
| 23:18.57 | deadcat | DragonDav: /etc/shadow |
| 23:19.24 | xsdg | charzero: ls -l /dev/initctl |
| 23:19.25 | zOap | tarzeau, ocp works great. But I couldn find a good way to quit it.(?) And Ctrl+C or Z hangs the driver.... Did I miss a keypress? |
| 23:19.27 | xmath | charzero: to allow other systems to read/alter the card.. FAT is the standard for MMC/SD cards |
| 23:19.37 | charzero | xsdg: just 0. |
| 23:19.45 | DragonDav | deadcat: /etc/shadow shows user:*: |
| 23:20.01 | xsdg | oh... it's a pipe. my bad :o) |
| 23:20.02 | DragonDav | oh never mind |
| 23:20.11 | deadcat | DragonDav: /etc/passwd then |
| 23:20.28 | DragonDav | the * were users without passwords |
| 23:20.33 | deadcat | DragonDav: * = no passwd |
| 23:20.41 | tarzeau | zOap: double esc |
| 23:20.54 | zOap | tarzeau, aah, thanks |
| 23:21.01 | tarzeau | zOap: they do this because you shouldn't quit it ;) |
| 23:21.10 | charzero | xsdg: i wouldn't be real concerned about it, except i can't init 2 either, so i'm afraid it wouldn't come back up if i pulled the plug. |
| 23:21.14 | DragonDav | is there a was to set a user's password with an allready encrypted password? |
| 23:21.29 | tarzeau | DragonDav: yes |
| 23:21.30 | deadcat | DragonDav: ya. put it in field 2 |
| 23:21.46 | zOap | tarzeau, hehe, yeah. |
| 23:21.58 | xsdg | charzero: it should; I would expect this to be a one-time issue (though you may want to burn an emergency boot cd just in case; always handy to have one lying around) |
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| 23:22.19 | charzero | xsdg: no monitor, no keyboard, no floppy, no cd (: |
| 23:22.24 | xsdg | heh |
| 23:22.42 | deadcat | firefox 1.5 and flash anyone? |
| 23:22.46 | xsdg | charzero: videocard incase worse comes to worst? |
| 23:22.50 | Azar | sounds fun |
| 23:22.53 | karsten | deadcat: Ewwww! |
| 23:22.55 | tarzeau | deadcat: it's broken |
| 23:23.06 | deadcat | tarzeau: ah. no wonder nothing shows up. |
| 23:23.08 | karsten | tarzeau: WONTFIX. Feature. |
| 23:23.08 | xsdg | deadcat: hmm? works fine for me (although by 1.5 I mean deer park 1.4.99 or whatever it is) |
| 23:23.11 | charzero | xsdg: worst case i'll take it to work with me tomorrow and hook it up. |
| 23:23.13 | xsdg | karsten: rofl |
| 23:23.18 | tarzeau | karsten: ocp? |
| 23:23.22 | karsten | tarzeau: ? |
| 23:23.28 | DragonDav | deadcat: i wasn't sure if that would work |
| 23:23.28 | tarzeau | software that you can't exit? |
| 23:23.29 | xsdg | karsten: quotefiled :o) |
| 23:23.33 | karsten | xsdg: ;-) |
| 23:23.35 | deadcat | xsdg: ya. 1.5.dfsg-3 |
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| 23:23.44 | tarzeau | karsten: ah you were refering to firefox |
| 23:23.45 | stefy | anyone knows why when grub starts my system shut down? |
| 23:23.49 | karsten | tarzeau: Yeah. |
| 23:24.10 | xsdg | stefy: do you have the correct stage1/1.5 thingies? |
| 23:24.11 | charzero | xsdg: might this have been caused by editting /etc/inittab (adding daemontools), or did i probably upgrade init? |
| 23:24.21 | deadcat | oh well. i use ie6 for now (= |
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| 23:24.35 | blondie | ie6 erm what |
| 23:24.37 | xsdg | charzero: I don't think futzing with inittab would do it (though it's possibly) |
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| 23:24.53 | xsdg | charzero: upgrading init sounds more likely, though that shouldn't cause problems either |
| 23:25.05 | stefy | xsdg, what do you mean with stage1/1.5? |
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| 23:25.34 | deadcat | blondie: ya. ie6+wine has flash |
| 23:25.42 | xsdg | stefy: /boot/grub/stage1, /boot/grub/stage2, /boot/grub/filesystem_stage1_5 |
| 23:25.44 | blondie | oh flash |
| 23:25.54 | thingfish | hah. half the time I don't even have flash installed. seems it's only used for trash and ads anymore. |
| 23:26.11 | xsdg | stefy: where "filesystem" is your root filesystem (or anything else grub will have to read) |
| 23:26.22 | tarzeau | only flash i like is flash gordon (www.flashgordon.ws) |
| 23:26.22 | deadcat | dammit. udev doesnt seem to play nice with the orinoco_usb firmware, worked well with hotplug. |
| 23:26.53 | tarzeau | and maybe the flashy effects in nethack, when you throw random potions at shopkeepers |
| 23:27.18 | xsdg | deadcat: weird; works great with ipw2200 firmware |
| 23:27.21 | De_Mon | i've seen a few good flash sites, and then I found out it was flash and didn't like them any more |
| 23:27.46 | xsdg | howthingswork.com uses flash to good effect |
| 23:28.01 | deadcat | xsdg: you compile that or the one from 2.6.14 kernel? |
| 23:28.17 | De_Mon | xsdg any connection to 'howstuffworks' ? |
| 23:28.33 | xsdg | deadcat: module-assistant for ipw2200-module-source or whatever it is |
| 23:28.41 | deadcat | xsdg: oh ya.. |
| 23:28.46 | xsdg | deadcat: essentially, custom-compiled and then packaged for me |
| 23:28.54 | xsdg | De_Mon: "oops" :o) |
| 23:29.00 | xsdg | De_Mon: that's what I meant |
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| 23:29.13 | De_Mon | xsdg apprently howthingswork redirects to howstuffworks :P |
| 23:29.21 | deadcat | xsdg: 2.6.14 has ipw2*00 in the kernel now |
| 23:29.24 | xsdg | rofl |
| 23:29.31 | De_Mon | xsdg thats what I said! |
| 23:29.33 | xsdg | deadcat: yeah, but it's ancient and doesn't work properly |
| 23:29.36 | deadcat | true |
| 23:29.40 | karsten | thingfish: Bingo. Try explaining that to the designers though. They're deaf to it. |
| 23:29.41 | mtretin | why are the configuration files different when I install x-window-system from testing versus when i install from stable? |
| 23:30.16 | stefy | scilinux |
| 23:30.22 | xsdg | mtretin: etch uses X.org by default; potato uses XFree86 by default |
| 23:30.46 | blondie | potato? bit old aren't we |
| 23:30.49 | relic | phycho, umount -f ? |
| 23:31.01 | xsdg | blondie: isn't potato stable? |
| 23:31.07 | blondie | erm no |
| 23:31.09 | blondie | sarge is |
| 23:31.18 | blondie | well, potato was stable |
| 23:31.23 | deadcat | potato is old-old-old stable |
| 23:31.33 | deadcat | oh wait. old-old |
| 23:31.58 | xsdg | it was stable at one time, so I'm not completely off-base 8) |
| 23:32.02 | DragonDav | right now i have exim4 installed for a mta is thier something better? |
| 23:32.11 | blondie | potato was before woody which was before sarge |
| 23:32.14 | Omnix | DragonDav: better for? |
| 23:32.43 | charzero | DragonDav: postfix |
| 23:32.43 | DragonDav | Omnix: well i want to be able to ralay based on auth |
| 23:32.53 | mtretin | is X.org substantially better? Or can (should) I install XFree86 in testing? |
| 23:32.56 | Omnix | DragonDav: Exim can easily do that. |
| 23:32.58 | xsdg | blondie: showing my age, I guess :o) |
| 23:33.20 | hans0lo | mtretin: X.org works good for me.. |
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| 23:33.35 | thingfish | mtretin: what are you using now? I mean, sarge, or etch, or what? |
| 23:33.45 | charzero | what was the one before potato? |
| 23:33.56 | xsdg | charzero: slink, I think |
| 23:34.08 | xsdg | then bo or hamm |
| 23:34.31 | charzero | i think started with slink shortly before potato became stable. |
| 23:34.52 | mtretin | thingfish: I'm using etch |
| 23:35.19 | deadcat | how do i know where the firmware the module is looking at? |
| 23:35.21 | DragonDav | Omnix: where is the config file? |
| 23:35.21 | blondie | xsdg: I'm so young... yet so old :( |
| 23:35.26 | SimonRaven | !bo |
| 23:35.26 | dpkg | methinks bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 23:35.29 | xsdg | blondie: I know what you mean |
| 23:35.38 | thingfish | mtretin: well that's too bad. IMHO everyone should be using sarge. |
| 23:35.39 | xsdg | yup, so hamm then bo |
| 23:35.42 | SimonRaven | !hamm |
| 23:35.42 | dpkg | hmm... hamm is Debian 2.0, released for i386 and m68k (first multi-arch release), or released July 24, 1998 |
| 23:35.49 | xsdg | hah; /me loses |
| 23:35.51 | SimonRaven | etc. |
| 23:35.55 | Omnix | DragonDav: for Exim4? Read /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.gz |
| 23:36.07 | thingfish | ooh, ham. my folks bought a honey-baked one for christmas. |
| 23:36.27 | thingfish | unfortunately it's all gone now. |
| 23:36.28 | robin_sz | thingfish: wow, thats a coincidence! |
| 23:36.41 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:36.50 | mtretin | thingfish: well, chaning back ins't really a problem since it's a clean install - but I really wanted to use KDE 3.5, is that possible with sarge? |
| 23:36.50 | robin_sz | thingfish: i got a half-bajked honey for christmas ... |
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| 23:37.30 | thingfish | mtretin: you don't want my advice, because my advice is to stick with sarge's kde. |
| 23:37.52 | thingfish | ooh robin_sz that can be tasty too. |
| 23:38.03 | deadcat | lsusb shows my Lucent orinoco card, lsmod shows the module is loaded. dmesg shows theres no firmware to download. what do i do? |
| 23:38.04 | blondie | what's so much better about kde 3.5 than what sarge provide's? |
| 23:38.05 | blondie | -' |
| 23:38.07 | robin_sz | thingfish: could be. Ive not unwrapped it yet. |
| 23:38.14 | thingfish | blondie: I know, I mean really. |
| 23:38.48 | hans0lo | blondie: iif you really want kde 3.5, the upgrade to Etch for me was pretty painless. |
| 23:39.07 | blondie | hans0lo: I don't want KDE at all :) |
| 23:39.12 | thingfish | I used to be addicted to bleeding edge. Then one day, I realized I didn't want to chase bugs anymore, I just wanted a fricking computer that worked. So I ditched sid, and installed sarge, and I am so happy. |
| 23:39.31 | xsdg | deadcat: where did you put the firmware? |
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| 23:39.59 | relic | oh, the KDE is like your mom |
| 23:40.09 | streuner | heh |
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| 23:40.25 | deadcat | xsdg: it didnt. i ran make && make install, it used to download and put it in /lib/firmware/hotplug/ but since it doesnt have hotplug no more (udev) |
| 23:40.26 | mtretin | i just cannot get the KDE in sarge to look nice, and I think that's important |
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| 23:40.41 | relic | she is too... |
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| 23:41.22 | xsdg | deadcat: I have my firmare in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ and it works fine (with udev) |
| 23:41.22 | afabian | mtretin, looks .. fine to me. |
| 23:41.36 | thingfish | well I can get GNOME in sarge looking so gorgeous. At least to my non-demanding, unsophisticated eyes. |
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| 23:42.00 | deadcat | xsdg: ok. let me just mkdir the thing (= |
| 23:42.13 | afabian | I'm using the stereotypical pink-border fvwm config. I suppose I'm not one to consult about aesthetics. =) |
| 23:42.27 | close_to_debian | How can i get 3d support forIGP 340M card in my laptop |
| 23:42.30 | close_to_debian | Glxgears gives 105fps |
| 23:42.36 | deadcat | xsdg: ah. the firmware is not there. |
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| 23:42.44 | thingfish | I mean, just go to art.gnome.org or gnomelook.org(?) and snag some new window borders and/or icons. |
| 23:42.56 | thingfish | like there's a new clearlooks that's real nice. |
| 23:43.02 | thingfish | kind of glassy. |
| 23:43.05 | afabian | thingfish, yeah, I got a little old for the bug chasing. I mean, I'm only 25. But I used bleeding edge stuff for years. Now.. sarge is fine. |
| 23:43.12 | afabian | it gets old. |
| 23:43.17 | thingfish | boy does it. |
| 23:43.33 | thingfish | it's fun for a while, though. |
| 23:43.58 | mtretin | I guess it's not really teh artwork but the fonts that drive me nuts - if anyone can point me to an up to date FAQ or howto about truetype fonts in sarge, I could finally get something done |
| 23:44.18 | thingfish | it's just way more impressive to have a system that works better than stuff you've paid money for. |
| 23:44.58 | deadcat | xsdg: (= giggly. |
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| 23:45.01 | thingfish | I mean, you pay all this money for windows xp, and it's total crap. You get Debian Sarge for free, it's as good as an o.s. gets. |
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| 23:45.42 | xsdg | deadcat: "giggly"? |
| 23:45.46 | xsdg | win 22 |
| 23:45.47 | deadcat | xsdg: works. |
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| 23:45.51 | xsdg | aah; cool |
| 23:45.52 | xsdg | win 22 |
| 23:45.55 | thingfish | well, I mean o.s. and accompanying apps. |
| 23:45.55 | xsdg | grr |
| 23:46.01 | pawel | thingfish: may I copy this to my website? ;) |
| 23:46.25 | thingfish | pawel: ooh, is it a porn site? Can I have a free password in exchange? :) |
| 23:46.32 | pawel | thingfish: that what you said about the stuff that you pay for. ;) |
| 23:46.45 | thingfish | hey this is all in the public domain. |
| 23:47.30 | pawel | thingfish: my porn side is rather analog and it seats in the other corner of my room. |
| 23:47.38 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:47.39 | pawel | s/side/site/ |
| 23:47.44 | thingfish | I was only kidding. |
| 23:47.44 | pawel | ;) |
| 23:47.47 | thingfish | ;) |
| 23:48.08 | xmath | before I plow through the kernel sources to seek the answer, does anyone know whether: 1. inode entries are always kept in memory after being read? 2. whether it would be relatively easy to allow unix file attributes (uid,gid,perms) to "work" on a VFAT mount without writing them to disk (so just keeping them inside the in-memory inodes) |
| 23:48.11 | pawel | oh! I've been very serious! ;) |
| 23:48.53 | hammerabi | 1 no, 2 probably, but not useful |
| 23:50.08 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:50.43 | De_Mon | grr why is it that all the mb's I buy have dead cmos batteries! |
| 23:51.16 | xmath | hammerabi: 1. can I easily prevent them from being expunged from memory? where should I start looking? 2. quite the contrary, I could use an initramfs hack to initialize the perms on mount from a special file, and an inotify-powered daemon to sync the perms-file to changes done |
| 23:51.36 | thingfish | ooh that reminds me I need a new battery too. |
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| 23:52.29 | De_Mon | ntp-server isn't keeping the clock straight either, it's drifted 20min since yesterday |
| 23:52.58 | hammerabi | xmath: 1 I doubt it, but #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net, 2 not unless you can pin them in ram |
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| 23:53.37 | xmath | hammerabi: yea, everything depends on keeping the inodes in ram.. at least those with non-default perms |
| 23:53.58 | TheBlueWizard | qazwsxedcrfvtgbyhnujmikolp |
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| 23:54.08 | xmath | I'll try oftc/#kernelnewbies, thanks :-) |
| 23:54.11 | zOap | my fonts in X is screwed up... It came after installing amule from unstable. Aparently it jigged the xfont library or something... Anyone had this and knows a solution? |
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| 23:54.12 | hammerabi | it seems somewhat pointless, tho |
| 23:54.21 | hammerabi | usmsdos was doing this years ago and no one cared |
| 23:54.22 | TheBlueWizard | oops...mis-pasted it :) |
| 23:54.31 | xmath | hammerabi: I care |
| 23:54.41 | hammerabi | xmath: fix usmsdos then |
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| 23:55.03 | xmath | this is probably simpler, and nicer (a few things I read about umsdos made me go "ick") |
| 23:55.05 | hammerabi | zOap: do you have evidence of that? |
| 23:56.02 | De_Mon | my ntpd problem appears to be related to having a dynamic ip. atleast it's easy to fix :) |
| 23:56.20 | hammerabi | zOap: ie you need to explain in more detail what happened to your fonts |
| 23:56.47 | De_Mon | hmmm... |
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| 23:57.13 | thingfish | oh you people. why must you mess with stuff from testing/unstable. |
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| 23:57.34 | thingfish | and then you wonder why it doesn't work. |
| 23:57.40 | phogg | thingfish: it's for the adrenaline rush |
| 23:57.55 | HermanDE | thingfish: How do you expect things to be fixed? |
| 23:58.04 | thingfish | well, I'm all for altering one's consciousness at will, however... |
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| 23:58.17 | zOap | hammerabi, well, it DID go mad after I did the install, but nothing more no |
| 23:58.46 | thingfish | HermanDE: well of course I don't mean developers using it, I mean casual users. |
| 23:58.51 | HermanDE | thingfish: The best way I learn things is to break them in really neat ways... The put it back together.... |
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| 23:59.44 | thingfish | yes well see, you still have an attraction for broken things. Life irritates me enough as it is, I don't need my o.s. making me miserable as well. |
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| 23:59.57 | hammerabi | zOap: that's not really enough information for anyone here to guess what is wrong |
| 23:59.59 | HermanDE | thingfish: I doubt that you will find true casual users here.... Most casual users only know about the operating system called "OFFICE" |
