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| 00:03.04 | Faust | hi |
| 00:03.16 | foo | gravity: Sweet. I got it. Thanks amigo |
| 00:03.19 | gravity | No problem |
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| 00:03.24 | Faust | Has anyone had a problem with the business card install? I get a "could not copy file from CD. Check integrity". It doen't check out despite that on 2 occasions the md5 does. |
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| 00:04.20 | noddaba | Is there a command that will give me the parent ID of a process, given the PID of a child process? |
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| 00:05.13 | Agrajag- | noddaba: ps |
| 00:05.17 | beardy | noddaba: ps |
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| 00:07.03 | hammerabi | Faust: the md5 of the burnt cd checks out? |
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| 00:07.24 | Faust | yes |
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| 00:07.37 | grendal_prime | hey guys hows things? |
| 00:07.43 | chull | wow ... my debian box took a really long time to shut down. I thought it froze! |
| 00:07.51 | grendal_prime | last time i tried to log on here everthing was all busticated |
| 00:07.56 | Faust | has happened twice, at least, and all md5s check out. |
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| 00:08.09 | beardy | grendal_prime: And now it isn't? |
| 00:08.10 | ROM3 | is debian same as fedora ? |
| 00:08.12 | chull | grendal_prime, they got it fixed |
| 00:08.17 | chull | ROM3, no |
| 00:08.19 | beardy | ROM3: No. |
| 00:08.19 | ROM3 | i'm currently using fedora and want to use debian |
| 00:08.23 | grendal_prime | dont know i guess im asking |
| 00:08.24 | Faust | I wonder if the d-i thinks its running a non-business CD |
| 00:08.26 | ROM3 | will i have a big change ? |
| 00:08.35 | grendal_prime | get rid of fedora |
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| 00:08.40 | beardy | ROM3: Well, that depends. |
| 00:08.40 | hammerabi | ROM3: yes |
| 00:08.44 | Faust | debian is far from being fedora |
| 00:08.47 | ROM3 | like how does it differ ? |
| 00:08.52 | hammerabi | if you have no idea if Debian is Fedora, yes, you will be highly confused |
| 00:08.55 | ROM3 | is debian better of fedora |
| 00:08.58 | Faust | it does have dependency problems, |
| 00:08.59 | grendal_prime | every time you upgrade to "the new fedora" you have to do a major backup and whatnot.. |
| 00:09.04 | grendal_prime | sucks |
| 00:09.06 | Faust | does NOT have |
| 00:09.08 | gravity | ROM3: Debian is different than fedora. "Better" depends on your needs |
| 00:09.12 | streuner | dpkg, start a distro war |
| 00:09.12 | dpkg | Mandriva rocks! |
| 00:09.17 | Faust | upgrades are smooth on debian too |
| 00:09.27 | ROM3 | berrer as in securiy server/desktop apps ? |
| 00:09.27 | botsy | when i create a cron is it in memory when my computer reboot ? |
| 00:09.30 | beardy | ROM3: It differs in many ways, but depending how much/what you know, the difference may feel bigger or smaller. |
| 00:09.34 | hammerabi | Debian does so have dependency problems, just far less often and not in table releases |
| 00:09.42 | hammerabi | botsy: your crontab is stored on disk |
| 00:09.47 | grendal_prime | ROM3, much easyer to upgrade debian than fedora |
| 00:10.00 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know why keyboard keys held down would stop repeating, and why "xset m 6/1 " wouldn't fix it? |
| 00:10.03 | ROM3 | does debian have more options ? |
| 00:10.04 | Faust | hammarabi: that goes without saying |
| 00:10.08 | ROM3 | like can i use yum ? |
| 00:10.14 | hammerabi | ROM3: Debian includes more software, yes |
| 00:10.15 | grendal_prime | ROM3, yum sucks |
| 00:10.19 | beardy | ROM3: yum? |
| 00:10.20 | ROM3 | does it ? |
| 00:10.21 | hammerabi | ROM3: yum is more or less a clone of Debian's apt |
| 00:10.27 | grendal_prime | apt is much more reliable |
| 00:10.30 | ROM3 | ic |
| 00:10.33 | grendal_prime | and much more user friendly |
| 00:10.38 | Faust | apt-get is faster, offers better feedback for when there are problems. |
| 00:10.38 | botsy | hammerabi, and it read when computer reboot that exactly no ? |
| 00:10.41 | thingfish | yum is for rpm-based distros. |
| 00:10.46 | thingfish | yum sucks. |
| 00:10.51 | Faust | and apt has less dependencies |
| 00:10.55 | ROM3 | damn i'm a noob to linux and used fedora for about 3 days and i'm gettin god at it but i have ordered videos on debian lol so ic an learn and a debian install |
| 00:10.56 | grendal_prime | and if your a ui guy..you can get synaptic..point and click install and removal front end for apt |
| 00:10.57 | Faust | problems |
| 00:10.57 | hammerabi | botsy: yes |
| 00:10.57 | chull | apt-get is WHY people love debian |
| 00:11.01 | beardy | !d-i ROM3 |
| 00:11.01 | dpkg | ROM3, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:11.17 | ROM3 | k |
| 00:11.23 | beardy | ROM3: Download the netinstaller, and install. |
| 00:11.27 | beardy | !install guide |
| 00:11.27 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 00:11.31 | grendal_prime | and the new stable..is actually pretty cutting edge |
| 00:11.33 | thingfish | yum was created in an attempt to satisfy the need for an apt-get like app for rpm-based distros. |
| 00:11.34 | beardy | ROM3: Read that ^^^ |
| 00:11.43 | botsy | hammerabi, and if it read , all crontab list are execute ... it 's that no ;) ? |
| 00:11.46 | grendal_prime | i mean seriously... it works on laptops np |
| 00:11.50 | beardy | ROM3: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 00:11.52 | chull | how does sarge compare to ubuntu? |
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| 00:12.04 | ROM3 | beardy ? |
| 00:12.05 | sdaemon | could someone help me with a sound problem? Im on knoppix 3.6 and the mixer device doesn't seem to work, can't change the volume level at all |
| 00:12.06 | streuner | chull: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 00:12.17 | grendal_prime | ubuntu is supposed to be idiotproof...built on debian, but its not debian |
| 00:12.18 | thc | !pal sdaemon |
| 00:12.18 | stew | sdaemon: #knoppix, not here |
| 00:12.28 | beardy | ROM3: Type /msg dpkg grounding in your irc client |
| 00:12.34 | hammerabi | botsy: I don't understand your question |
| 00:12.35 | chull | ty streuner it's good to know |
| 00:12.38 | sdaemon | it's debian based, what's the big deal |
| 00:12.39 | Faust | and debian will never charge you for a "professional version" |
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| 00:12.49 | thingfish | any time I've tried ubuntu, it has been buggy and had an overall unfinished feel to it. |
| 00:12.51 | grendal_prime | Faust, amen on that |
| 00:12.56 | hammerabi | chull: sarge is more recent than hoary in most ways, older than breezy. otherwise, about the same. |
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| 00:13.17 | hammerabi | to be fair, ubuntu will never charge for a "professional version" either |
| 00:13.32 | stew | hammerabi: how do you know that? |
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| 00:13.46 | chull | hammerabi, ty :) |
| 00:13.48 | beardy | hammerabi: To be fair, ubuntu is quite young, you don't know what will happen. |
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| 00:13.55 | grendal_prime | i just installed suse prof...(the other tech is a novel certed engen and they gave it to him) and guess what..it acts like fedora tried to hold your hand through everything and to such a level its toally confussing |
| 00:14.02 | hammerabi | you're welcome to your own conclusions |
| 00:14.09 | De_Mon | dpkg tell soymilk about alot |
| 00:14.11 | nefarius_ | debian 4 lyfe |
| 00:14.12 | botsy | hammerabi, when computer reboot iif crontab file is read by cron , all command whose are in crontab files are execute ... that's right ? |
| 00:14.13 | Faust | it's stipulated so in their mandate |
| 00:14.17 | stew | hammerabi: my conclusion is that you cannot precict the future |
| 00:14.30 | stew | *predict |
| 00:14.44 | grendal_prime | Stew i can |
| 00:14.50 | stew | sweet |
| 00:14.52 | grendal_prime | i just cant tell you WHEN |
| 00:14.53 | Faust | one does not have to predict if it's written |
| 00:14.54 | hammerabi | stew: as above |
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| 00:15.05 | hammerabi | botsy: not unless they're scheduled to run |
| 00:15.21 | hammerabi | botsy: if they should have run while the machine was off, they will not run again until the next time it is their turn |
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| 00:20.31 | foo | My system is halting on boot up after I install debian... segmentation fault ... any ideas? |
| 00:20.38 | foo | err. |
| 00:21.04 | foo | pci.agent i810_audio segmentation fault is the error |
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| 00:21.39 | beardy | foo: Which kernel, compiled it yourself? |
| 00:22.05 | foo | beardy: 2.6, didn't compile myself ... this is a typical install with the installation dvd... 2.4 does the same thing |
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| 00:22.51 | beardy | foo: Have you googled using the error message? |
| 00:22.52 | dfinn | i'm having this wierd issues. when trying to play videos with mplayer or xine on my laptop and having the output go to a monitor the video window is blank, but it's playing fine on the laptop display, why is this? |
| 00:23.04 | foo | beardy: Yes. Other people have reported the error but no solutions. |
| 00:23.18 | foo | beardy: Really weird. I've tried advanced install as well |
| 00:23.21 | broadcaster | arrrg! i cannot install k3b, because i have kde3.4 (different libraries than 3.2, colliding with those required by k3b). what can i do? |
| 00:23.29 | S2AnGeL | hey anyone have any repositories for libarchive-zip-perl zlib1g-dev libpopt-dev?? |
| 00:23.34 | beardy | foo: So, can you boot at all? Since you installed, you had to..? |
| 00:23.41 | S2AnGeL | trying to install ispconfig |
| 00:23.42 | S2AnGeL | ugh |
| 00:23.49 | broadcaster | (talking about testing...) |
| 00:23.52 | hammerabi | dfinn: because you only get Xv on one pipe |
| 00:23.58 | hammerabi | dfinn: mplayer -vo x11 foo.mpg |
| 00:24.01 | foo | beardy: It was the first reboot after the cd installs the base system ... |
| 00:24.09 | foo | beardy: System does nothing after that error |
| 00:24.12 | hammerabi | S2AnGeL: uh, are they really not in Debian? |
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| 00:24.49 | S2AnGeL | aparently not.. I am runing the latest netinstall 2.6.12 maybe that has something to do with it.. |
| 00:25.01 | S2AnGeL | apt-get.org seems to have a few but they don't work |
| 00:25.41 | S2AnGeL | I wish someone hosted a ispconfig deb and all it required.. I would gladly make the sapce .. on my server |
| 00:25.47 | S2AnGeL | space |
| 00:26.06 | hammerabi | !+info libarchive-zip-perl etch |
| 00:26.08 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:26.12 | dpkg | libarchive-zip-perl: (Module for manipulation of ZIP archives), section perl, is optional. Version: 1.16-1 (etch), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 360 kB |
| 00:26.20 | S2AnGeL | not really sure how to make that.. I am |
| 00:26.30 | S2AnGeL | thinking of sitting down learning that later |
| 00:26.31 | hammerabi | S2AnGeL: no, they are all in Debian, fix your sources.list |
| 00:26.31 | dfinn | hammerabi: thanks that worked. could you go into a little more detail or point me to some reading about why I have to use that option? is there a way to enable it as default so I don't have to put it on the CLI every time? |
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| 00:26.47 | S2AnGeL | give me a source please .. |
| 00:26.53 | hammerabi | dfinn: I don't know of any links to more detail, you can 'echo vo x11' > ~/.mplayer/config |
| 00:27.01 | hammerabi | S2AnGeL: no, it's in Debian |
| 00:27.09 | S2AnGeL | I'll add it in and see what happenes |
| 00:27.14 | hammerabi | S2AnGeL: as above |
| 00:27.18 | portxxx | thanks men..i solve my problem |
| 00:27.18 | beardy | foo: Well, you have to disable the thing that causes it. You can boot with the installcd, using rescue as kernel option, something like it.. and fix what needs to be fixed. Perhaps you can boot with single too, to get into single user mode. Either that pci.agent, whatever that is, or alsa.. prevent the modules from getting loaded perhaps. |
| 00:27.43 | soymilk | De_Mon: isn't a word whatever we define it to be? language is dynamic |
| 00:27.45 | S2AnGeL | well I got one source and I don't see any lists of sources on the net |
| 00:27.46 | portxxx | another question...how can i get more desktop themes |
| 00:27.57 | broadcaster | oh, found the answer: k3b is not yet in etch, because... http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
| 00:28.01 | hammerabi | S2AnGeL: ...so add the Debian ones. if you have no idea, use apt-setup. |
| 00:28.12 | broadcaster | (how can i tell dpkg-bot to remember this?) |
| 00:28.29 | S2AnGeL | I've been doing that for hours now |
| 00:28.31 | Faust | I'm going to try the testing bus install to see they've fixed the "can't copy file over/cd integrety fails" error. |
| 00:28.40 | portxxx | some wiki or web site.. |
| 00:28.42 | S2AnGeL | tryed some italian some german ones.. canadian |
| 00:28.47 | S2AnGeL | not having alot of luck |
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| 00:29.12 | foo | beardy: Any tips on finding out what causes it? |
| 00:29.13 | soymilk | hehe |
| 00:29.14 | hammerabi | S2AnGeL: which is awesome, but of no use unless you show us what you've been trying |
| 00:29.17 | hammerabi | ie #flood |
| 00:29.28 | S2AnGeL | ugh just deleted a whole bunch |
| 00:29.44 | S2AnGeL | I am going to concentrate on canada since i am in it |
| 00:29.49 | streuner | portxxx: apt-cache search foo |
| 00:29.50 | S2AnGeL | brb |
| 00:29.57 | beardy | foo: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/02/msg00692.html |
| 00:29.58 | streuner | portxxx: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:30.10 | beardy | foo: A module causes it. |
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| 00:30.31 | beardy | foo: The module, or your hardware. |
| 00:30.32 | zignig | bleh! |
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| 00:30.34 | streuner | portxxx: if you want more themes for KDE join http://kde-look.org/ |
| 00:30.36 | foo | beardy: Gocha |
| 00:30.53 | soymilk | anyone here have access to #openbox? |
| 00:31.01 | foo | beardy: This laptop has issues with acpi, but that is all. I'll try to stop that module from loading, thanks |
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| 00:31.38 | beardy | foo: As they said in that mail, blacklist the module. |
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| 00:32.00 | foo | beardy: Gocha. Thanks |
| 00:32.11 | S2AnGeL | dunno if this helps.. but I get alot of this.. E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 00:32.32 | S2AnGeL | sometimes when I add a repository and well to fix I just remove it |
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| 00:32.40 | streuner | !listvals mmap |
| 00:32.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mmap' by value (5): dynamic-mmap ;; cache-limit ;; mmap ;; apt-mmap ;; dynamic mmap. |
| 00:32.47 | hammerabi | S2AnGeL: that means your sources.list is stupidly long |
| 00:33.03 | streuner | sandbot_: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
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| 00:33.16 | streuner | SAnGe: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 00:33.39 | streuner | S2AnGeL: ^^^^ |
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| 00:34.16 | beardy | foo: That link didn't work though, it should be http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerFAQ , question 28 |
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| 00:34.49 | foo | beardy: thanks again |
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| 00:35.39 | beardy | foo: no problem, good luck |
| 00:36.05 | Gozar | Hi, Do I need to recompile the Nvidia graphis driver when I upgrade x11 to xorg? |
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| 00:36.27 | hawking | how can i get Tk 8.4 ? |
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| 00:36.36 | S2AnGeL | well removing all the repositories seemed to remove the problem |
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| 00:36.55 | Cha1ns4w | i'm thinking about building a graphical layer on debian,personal opinion,which GUI would be best,or is it all personal flavour? |
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| 00:37.05 | S2AnGeL | still not able to install the libdb3++-dev |
| 00:37.11 | gravity | Cha1ns4w: Personal flavor |
| 00:37.13 | S2AnGeL | I will keep trying.. |
| 00:37.34 | S2AnGeL | unless someone knows of a repository I can add in the sources list.. save me the time |
| 00:37.37 | EvilSporkMan | i'm not getting any sound from kmid or xplaymidi...alsamixer doesn't seem to have any volume columns that are relevant to midi, and "aconnect -o" reveals that 62:0 should be the "Midi Through Port". what else can I check? |
| 00:37.43 | streuner | !tell hawking about search |
| 00:37.45 | azeem | Cha1ns4w: if it includes administration and stuff, using debconf might be a good choice |
| 00:37.51 | hawking | streuner : good idea :D |
| 00:37.54 | thingfish | Gozar: I don't think you do, actually. |
| 00:37.56 | Cha1ns4w | azeem>hehe :) |
| 00:38.33 | hammerabi | S2AnGeL: please just stop |
| 00:38.37 | streuner | !info tk8.4 |
| 00:38.39 | hammerabi | !+info libdb3++-dev etch |
| 00:38.40 | dpkg | Package 'libdb3++-dev' does not exist. |
| 00:38.45 | dpkg | tk8.4: (Tk toolkit for Tcl and X11, v8.4 - run-time files), section libs, is optional. Version: 8.4.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 931 kB, Installed size: 2560 kB |
| 00:38.47 | pshaggy | so is K3B *still* broken in testing (going on 2 weeks now) or is my system hosed? |
| 00:38.57 | hammerabi | it' not broken, it's uninstallable |
| 00:39.21 | pshaggy | same result to me :) |
| 00:39.26 | hammerabi | S2AnGeL: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=libdb3%2B%2B-dev |
| 00:39.30 | se | !nvidia |
| 00:39.30 | dpkg | well, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
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| 00:39.33 | pshaggy | any ideas when it'll be installable? |
| 00:39.37 | se | !dpkg nvidia |
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| 00:39.53 | streuner | se: use the bot please in message |
| 00:39.58 | mathieu | any suggestions for a single user weblog app ? |
| 00:40.00 | streuner | se: /msg dpkg foo |
| 00:40.13 | se | streuner, just checking, !foo=!dpkg foo |
| 00:40.31 | Gozar | thingfish: Well I can't get xorg to work. It says it can't find any screens. So I downgraded to xorg again to x11 in sarge. Then The driver works flawless. |
| 00:40.32 | streuner | se: !dpkg doesn't work |
| 00:40.40 | abrotman | !dpkg moo |
| 00:40.40 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 00:40.48 | botsy | The contents of crontab files is will not eras when computer reboot ? |
| 00:40.54 | Cha1ns4w | hehe |
| 00:40.58 | se | apt-get moo |
| 00:41.01 | Cha1ns4w | gotta love the stupid cow jokes. |
| 00:41.02 | se | hehe |
| 00:41.19 | se | !apt-get moo |
| 00:41.19 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
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| 00:41.51 | hammerabi | S2AnGeL: whatever you're trying to install is humourously old and outdated |
| 00:42.01 | hammerabi | S2AnGeL: and thus requires you to get random obsolete .debs from sarge |
| 00:42.04 | thingfish | to me, cows are not funny. |
| 00:42.07 | hammerabi | S2AnGeL: so go to the link I gave you and download them |
| 00:42.21 | se | thingfish, not to be haunted by at least |
| 00:42.23 | abrotman | thingfish: because cows eat fish ? |
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| 00:42.32 | thingfish | aack |
| 00:42.47 | leafers | how do i repair my grub |
| 00:42.50 | thingfish | no, because the poor thing exist only to be milked or eaten. |
| 00:42.55 | se | abrotman, fish? =) |
| 00:42.55 | thingfish | *things |
| 00:42.58 | leafers | i am getting error 13 |
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| 00:43.18 | leafers | file system unknown type |
| 00:43.39 | DevilChaos | somoeone help me setup my news reader please im trying to use pan? |
| 00:43.42 | leafers | when i try to boot to windows |
| 00:44.10 | leafers | i may have mounted the wrong file system |
| 00:44.19 | leafers | on /dev/hda1 |
| 00:44.54 | leafers | error 13: |
| 00:45.01 | DevilChaos | anyone use pan in here? |
| 00:45.04 | leafers | filesystem type unknown |
| 00:45.04 | se | leafers, then change /boot/grub/menul.lst |
| 00:45.27 | beardy | mathieu: bashblogger, http://bashblogger.grimthing.com/ |
| 00:45.40 | DevilChaos | or could suggest a good alternative? |
| 00:45.50 | abrotman | use pan |
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| 00:46.17 | Gozar | Hi, Do I need to recompile the Nvidia graphis driver (proprtatory driver) when I upgrade x11 to xorg? If I install xorg, xorg says it can't find any screens. Could a recompiliting the driver with xorg dev libiries resolve the no screens found error? |
| 00:46.17 | abrotman | DevilChaos: if you give us a better question .. you might get better answers |
| 00:46.24 | abrotman | Gozar: yes |
| 00:46.36 | DevilChaos | ive ran the setup but need to get into groups to read and or subscribe |
| 00:46.45 | abrotman | ok . and ? |
| 00:47.06 | leafers | it says root (hd0,0) windows professional |
| 00:47.21 | DevilChaos | i let it search for groups but it went up to 40000 odd and didnt want to let it run didnt know how long it would take |
| 00:47.31 | hammerabi | don't search for groups |
| 00:47.33 | leafers | what would i chabe |
| 00:47.42 | abrotman | DevilChaos: depends on your news server .. there are iirc .. over 100000 groups on some servers |
| 00:47.45 | leafers | chage |
| 00:47.48 | leafers | change |
| 00:47.53 | DevilChaos | doh |
| 00:48.01 | Gozar | abrotman: Okay, Thanks. |
| 00:48.02 | DevilChaos | usenet |
| 00:48.04 | leafers | file system unknown type |
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| 00:49.13 | DevilChaos | would like to knowhow to get the groups im looking for subscribe then read the entries |
| 00:49.14 | leafers | isn't there a way to tell it i have an ntfs file system? |
| 00:49.37 | leafers | not fat or vfat |
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| 00:49.45 | DevilChaos | leafers:have you messed up the mbr? |
| 00:50.12 | leafers | i tried to copy a file too /dev/hda1 |
| 00:50.17 | leafers | from linux |
| 00:50.22 | leafers | could that do it |
| 00:50.47 | hammerabi | uh |
| 00:50.59 | hammerabi | leafers: you've destroyed that filesystem entirely then |
| 00:51.03 | hammerabi | leafers: hope you have backups |
| 00:51.13 | leafers | if i fdisk /mbr i lose linux |
| 00:51.20 | DevilChaos | abrotman:think ill look for the howto |
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| 00:51.32 | DevilChaos | no just grub or lilo i think |
| 00:51.32 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/pan/* |
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| 00:51.43 | leafers | i have a data parition |
| 00:52.01 | debian_pwnz | i've got a data apparition |
| 00:52.02 | debian_pwnz | :/ |
| 00:52.09 | debian_pwnz | haunting me |
| 00:52.17 | Invis__ | i need package called courier-authlib which is experimental and i really need this one, but whole debian system is stable, how to install this package with its dependencies correctly over stable? |
| 00:52.30 | leafers | is there no way to get it back without looseing linux |
| 00:52.31 | thingfish | so exorcise it. |
| 00:52.35 | debian_pwnz | Invis__, get the source and compile it |
| 00:52.39 | DevilChaos | debian_pwnz:i too have one haunting me called r1 |
| 00:52.49 | DevilChaos | :( |
| 00:52.56 | debian_pwnz | !tell Invis__ about backport |
| 00:52.56 | hammerabi | Invis__: why? |
| 00:53.02 | cDizzle | ok u guys are gonna hate me... more questions, to compile the kernel, i need >= 2.6.2 and i have 2.6.1, how do i update? |
| 00:53.08 | DevilChaos | permenantly written to the mount table |
| 00:53.16 | w|edge | cDizzle: DIE! *murders* |
| 00:53.29 | w|edge | no seriously, there's a nice guide out there for 2.6 kernel upgrades. |
| 00:53.30 | w|edge | Moment. |
| 00:53.33 | thingfish | cDizzle: why not just apt-get 2.6.8? |
| 00:53.45 | leafers | reinstall windows? |
| 00:53.49 | w|edge | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php <- the manual way |
| 00:53.59 | hammerabi | leafers: if you overwrote /dev/hda1, you have destroyed that partition |
| 00:54.42 | beardy | !testdisk |
| 00:54.42 | dpkg | testdisk is, like, an alternative to gpart. Try gpart first. http://www.cgsecurity.org/index.html?testdisk.html, or see also gpart, or or if that url doesn't work: http://www.cgsecurity.org/index.html?testdisk.html Partition scanner and disk recovery tool TestDisk checks the partition and boot sectors of your disks. It is very useful in recovering lost partitions. |
| 00:55.03 | DevilChaos | leafers : if it comes down to it try accessing the data through linux retrieve what you need from both os and only if you really need to start over |
| 00:55.27 | DevilChaos | either attemt winblows takes less time than linux neway i think |
| 00:55.30 | leafers | i tried to mount it in linux says bad file system |
| 00:55.51 | DevilChaos | went through reinstall the other day took me 2 1/2 hrs to get back winblows |
| 00:55.57 | DevilChaos | bill gates sucks ass |
| 00:56.05 | deadcat | DevilChaos: you saw him? |
| 00:56.08 | hammerabi | leafers: it sounds very much like you destroyed it |
| 00:56.12 | zignig | DevilChaos: heh , I can get a working debian system up and running is 12 minutes now :P |
| 00:56.16 | hammerabi | leafers: go restore from backup and then come back |
| 00:56.20 | abrotman | better question is .. why would you watch bill gates suck ass |
| 00:56.21 | zignig | s/is/in |
| 00:56.27 | DevilChaos | yeah in the loony bin when i was there at the weekend |
| 00:56.34 | deadcat | abrotman: maybe he gets off that way (= |
| 00:56.35 | DevilChaos | after a hard ngt on the sauce |
| 00:56.45 | deadcat | abrotman: but only bill thought. he dont get off watching rms suck ass |
| 00:57.00 | zignig | deadcat: GNU/rms actually. |
| 00:57.04 | leafers | no backup |
| 00:57.10 | leafers | just reinstalled |
| 00:57.12 | deadcat | zignig: what are you high? |
| 00:57.26 | leafers | useing two drives |
| 00:57.27 | zignig | deadcat: yes actually. |
| 00:57.32 | leafers | one win one linux |
| 00:57.40 | deadcat | leafers: who won? |
| 00:57.41 | hammerabi | leafers: why are you still here then? |
| 00:57.46 | hammerabi | you killed your partition, deal |
| 00:57.46 | DevilChaos | zignig: bet its just the base system!? |
| 00:57.58 | deadcat | zignig: its ok bro. |
| 00:58.02 | hammerabi | hospital records can have my babies |
| 00:58.04 | leafers | not looking forward to rebuilding from scratch |
| 00:58.13 | zignig | DevilChaos: nope , X and apps. local mirror on 100baset |
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| 00:59.13 | leafers | can hardly wait for asp's |
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| 00:59.41 | DevilChaos | i can have mine running in just under three hours 2mb connection :( |
| 00:59.45 | DevilChaos | lol |
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| 00:59.50 | LoneWlf794 | Anyone think they can help me configure samba so that I can connect with Windows XP computers on my network? |
| 01:00.04 | zignig | DevilChaos: apt-cacher |
| 01:00.07 | leafers | so if i reinstall win2k how will i be able to reach my linux drive |
| 01:00.11 | abrotman | LoneWlf794: samba.org and #samba are great places to start |
| 01:00.16 | deadcat | LoneWlf794: start samba and smbpasswd -a username |
| 01:00.17 | deadcat | thats it |
| 01:00.18 | zignig | DevilChaos: if you have more than one box , it rocks. |
| 01:00.21 | leafers | that will wipe grub |
| 01:00.27 | LoneWlf794 | Thank you. |
| 01:00.33 | bintut | any recommended PDF Editor for GNU/Linux? |
| 01:00.38 | hawking | xpdf |
| 01:00.39 | deadcat | no |
| 01:00.52 | DevilChaos | yeah got archiving machine but it isnt as fast or as good as my main box |
| 01:01.09 | zignig | DevilChaos: it doesn't need to be fast. |
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| 01:01.15 | gravity | bintut: You pretty much just want to print your doc to pdf directly or to postscript and then convert it |
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| 01:01.23 | leafers | i mean i can not seem to make a linux recover disk |
| 01:01.25 | deadcat | gravity: 7.0 is out. |
| 01:01.28 | gravity | bintut: There's no acrobat (non-acrobat reader) equivalent |
| 01:01.28 | leafers | none seem to work |
| 01:01.29 | zignig | DevilChaos: i've been running rsync across a vpn tunnel, so they _are_ off site. |
| 01:01.56 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 01:02.03 | leafers | if i want to boot to linux |
| 01:02.05 | zignig | leafers: get a boot cd and run fsck on it. |
| 01:02.08 | gravity | danieldg: Fuck off |
| 01:02.11 | gravity | deadcat: ^ |
| 01:02.15 | gravity | danieldg: Sorry, that wasn't for you |
| 01:02.26 | leafers | hmmmm |
| 01:02.26 | deadcat | gravity: what the fuck |
| 01:02.26 | bintut | gravity: i have a PDF files from adobe acrobat 7.0. |
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| 01:03.03 | leafers | where can i get a boot cd |
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| 01:03.26 | DevilChaos | lol |
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| 01:03.33 | zOap | is there a remote desktop(windows) app in apt? |
| 01:03.41 | gravity | bintut: You can't edit a pdf file directly |
| 01:03.44 | blondie | zOap: rdesktop |
| 01:03.45 | hammerabi | zOap: there's several hundered thousand |
| 01:03.46 | deadcat | zOap: rdesktop |
| 01:03.49 | hammerabi | zOap: rdesktop seems popular |
| 01:03.51 | abrotman | well .. you can .. but it won't do you much good :) |
| 01:03.56 | zOap | thanks guys:) |
| 01:04.12 | gravity | deadcat: I'm well aware it's out. I'm working on getting 6.9 in to the archive right now, as I've said both in my blog and on debian-x |
| 01:04.17 | gravity | And in debian-devel-announce |
| 01:04.24 | gravity | And I've been very forthcoming about my plans for 7.0 as well |
| 01:04.26 | deadcat | gravity: ah. |
| 01:04.40 | deadcat | i dont read any of those (= |
| 01:04.41 | abrotman | gravity: you lie .. you have no plans! |
| 01:04.50 | bintut | gravity: then, what do you recommend? |
| 01:04.58 | gravity | bintut: Use acrobat on windows? |
| 01:05.03 | deadcat | if its not in /topic, i dont know whats going on |
| 01:05.04 | gravity | Or through wine I guess |
| 01:05.22 | DevilChaos | i got a really wierd idea the other day that i hadnt given much thought can i defrag linux partitions or does scroll keeper or another program do it for me? |
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| 01:05.41 | gravity | deadcat: Well, that's not my problem. I've put the info in three (actually four, now that I think about it) places |
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| 01:05.56 | bintut | gravity: i'm planning to migrate from windows to linux desktop.. but there is only one problem that i can't port and that is the editing of pdf files |
| 01:06.11 | gravity | bintut: Sorry. You can try running acrobat in wine |
| 01:06.24 | deadcat | bintut: try to give up some stuff windows have. otherwise you will NEVER switch. |
| 01:06.34 | gravity | bintut: Direct editing of pdf files isn't really possible. You output some other file to PDF and edit the original when you need to edit |
| 01:06.37 | botsy | it's possible to disable ppp for it relaunch automatically the connexion ? |
| 01:06.41 | zignig | bintut: open office will save as pdf. |
| 01:06.52 | abrotman | bintut: you can't edit a PDF .. but you can create them |
| 01:06.59 | abrotman | or rather .. i don't know of anything that will edit them |
| 01:06.59 | gravity | bintut: Do you have the original document? |
| 01:07.00 | bintut | gravity: i tried emulating adobe acrobat 7.0 professional but i failed |
| 01:07.02 | zignig | botsy: /etc/ppp/options |
| 01:07.02 | gravity | Who sends pdf's to be edited anyway? |
| 01:07.13 | deadcat | gravity: his boss (= |
| 01:07.14 | blondie | Acrobat will edit them to a limited degree |
| 01:07.15 | botsy | thank zignig |
| 01:07.15 | zignig | gravity: there a forms you can have. |
| 01:07.21 | zignig | botsy: :) |
| 01:07.35 | bintut | deadcat: well if that is the case, i can't migrate all our workstations here.. :( |
| 01:07.37 | gravity | zignig: Yeah, forms are a problem. There's acroread for that. |
| 01:07.40 | zignig | gravity: and then send them back filled in. |
| 01:07.50 | deadcat | bintut: too bad. |
| 01:07.53 | blondie | zOap: no |
| 01:07.56 | blondie | erm |
| 01:07.57 | zignig | gravity: i mean whats wrong with HTML for forms ffs. |
| 01:07.58 | blondie | zignig: no |
| 01:08.06 | DevilChaos | abrotman:defrag ? |
| 01:08.07 | abrotman | gravity: did you know 7.0 is out? |
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| 01:08.19 | streuner | heh |
| 01:08.19 | zignig | blondie: no ? |
| 01:08.20 | abrotman | gravity: i mean .. acrobat7 is waaay faster |
| 01:08.24 | gravity | zignig: I agree |
| 01:08.27 | abrotman | DevilChaos: not needed :) |
| 01:08.34 | blondie | zignig: you can fill in forms but you can't save them, only print them |
| 01:08.35 | DevilChaos | exellent |
| 01:08.49 | zignig | blondie: there you go. I though you could save them. |
| 01:09.02 | blondie | that would be too usefull |
| 01:09.08 | abrotman | gravity: so wait .. 6.9 just hit sid right ? .. so 7 is the modular rewrite .. and it will hit experimental first? |
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| 01:09.31 | hawking | what is the package that has the X window system header files and libraries? |
| 01:09.43 | abrotman | oh .. i guess not yet |
| 01:09.49 | gravity | abrotman: Right, except 6.9 hasn't hit sid just yet. Hopefully tomorrow morning once I get it built |
| 01:10.01 | abrotman | gravity: but 6.8.99 is in experimental |
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| 01:10.14 | abrotman | gravity: but you're skipping experimental for 6.9 ? |
| 01:10.14 | gravity | abrotman: All the stuff to get 6.9 in just hit |
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| 01:10.18 | botsy | zignig, you have make this ? |
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| 01:11.15 | gravity | abrotman: That is 6.9 |
| 01:11.16 | zignig | botsy: should be there if you are running ppp, have a look in the peers/ folder. |
| 01:11.27 | gravity | pre-release |
| 01:11.27 | gravity | Now that it's out, it's going in to unstable |
| 01:11.27 | gravity | hawking: Depends on the library you need. libx11-dev would be a good start |
| 01:11.27 | solemnwarning | <PANIC>Help!</PANIC> |
| 01:11.29 | botsy | i need just comment the two lcp-echo .. (lcp-echo-interval and lcp-echo-failure) |
| 01:11.32 | bintut | zignig: i don't need just to create pdf but i badly need to edit pdf files here |
| 01:11.32 | bintut | gravity: any pdf files for adobe acrobat 7.0 format |
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| 01:11.37 | deadcat | solemnwarning: DONT PANIC! |
| 01:11.40 | zignig | botsy: it will have your providers in there. |
| 01:11.52 | solemnwarning | my machine froze and i had to do a hard reset |
| 01:12.02 | zignig | bintut: you will have to stick with windows for now , sorry...... |
| 01:12.05 | solemnwarning | during reboot fsck found a load of bad inodes on my hdd |
| 01:12.05 | deadcat | then hard reset |
| 01:12.10 | gravity | bintut: Sorry, you're out of luck for now |
| 01:12.15 | deadcat | solemnwarning: time for new hdd |
| 01:12.19 | solemnwarning | -_- |
| 01:12.25 | solemnwarning | i cant login to x |
| 01:12.44 | solemnwarning | xdm keeps trying to login to gnome, which isnt even installed |
| 01:12.45 | gravity | bintut: Lobby adobe to port acrobat to Debian I guess |
| 01:12.47 | bintut | oh my.. :( |
| 01:12.55 | solemnwarning | how can i make xdm use kde again? |
| 01:13.01 | deadcat | solemnwarning: .xsession |
| 01:13.03 | bintut | gravity: what do you mean? |
| 01:13.20 | solemnwarning | i dont have a .xsession |
| 01:13.22 | abrotman | solemnwarning: consider it a blessing |
| 01:13.34 | deadcat | solemnwarning: i'll let you figure out what to do after that |
| 01:13.34 | botsy | if you prefer i have make a script for detect if modem or connection have a problem ... do you think it's a problem if pppd relaunch connection if this one is dead ... ? |
| 01:13.49 | abrotman | !stab solemnwarning |
| 01:13.54 | deadcat | solemnwarning: wont work. it will break |
| 01:14.06 | Cha1ns4w | botsy>shit my english is bad,but thats even worse :) |
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| 01:14.10 | zignig | solemnwarning: last time I checked abrotman was indestructable. |
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| 01:14.16 | solemnwarning | :\ |
| 01:14.21 | solemnwarning | how can i fix xdm? |
| 01:14.29 | deadcat | solemnwarning: i told you. |
| 01:14.31 | solemnwarning | using my machine on tty1 isnt very nice.... |
| 01:14.43 | Cha1ns4w | whats wrong with tty1! |
| 01:14.54 | deadcat | Cha1ns4w: he needs to click |
| 01:14.57 | Cha1ns4w | ah |
| 01:14.58 | beardy | bintut: Have a look at pdftk |
| 01:14.58 | abrotman | zignig: i doubt that |
| 01:14.59 | Cha1ns4w | boo |
| 01:15.03 | solemnwarning | its a 720x400 console! |
| 01:15.06 | zignig | 80 columns, it's not just a good idea , it's the law. |
| 01:15.13 | zignig | abrotman: :P |
| 01:15.13 | deadcat | solemnwarning: SO? |
| 01:15.17 | abrotman | speaking of which .. smartmon says i need a new hdd :( |
| 01:15.18 | wiR|V4mpire | anyone reckon they could help me with something about postfix ? |
| 01:15.18 | solemnwarning | cant fit anything |
| 01:15.28 | solemnwarning | bitchx barely fits on the damm screen |
| 01:15.29 | deadcat | solemnwarning: 80x24 |
| 01:15.36 | blondie | irssi >>>> bitchx |
| 01:15.38 | deadcat | theres your problem. whorex |
| 01:15.39 | solemnwarning | how do i get xdm fixed? |
| 01:15.41 | botsy | Cha1ns4w, you don't have understand what did i have say ? |
| 01:15.42 | solemnwarning | irssi sucks |
| 01:15.49 | Cha1ns4w | botsy>lol. |
| 01:15.51 | deadcat | solemnwarning: i told you the fucking answer |
| 01:16.00 | solemnwarning | where? |
| 01:16.04 | deadcat | .xsession |
| 01:16.05 | abrotman | solemnwarning: so far you've stabbed me .. and said irssi sucks? .. you're just crazy :) |
| 01:16.09 | botsy | sorry my english is bad ... :) |
| 01:16.12 | solemnwarning | i dont have a .xsession! |
| 01:16.25 | gravity | bintut: There's no way you can do what you need to do right now in linux |
| 01:16.25 | deadcat | solemnwarning: CREATE the motherfucker |
| 01:16.27 | Cha1ns4w | touch .xsession then edit it |
| 01:16.29 | Cha1ns4w | :) |
| 01:16.32 | bintut | beardy: pdftk? lemme check it out at sourceforge |
| 01:16.36 | staniel | hey guys, im back for more.... just wondering with dhcp3, how can I have the hosts files populated with all the leases? |
| 01:16.40 | solemnwarning | whats supposed to go in .xsession? |
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| 01:17.04 | zignig | deadcat: calm down. |
| 01:17.05 | deadcat | solemnwarning: line1: #!/bin/bash line2: startkde <-maybe |
| 01:17.12 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 01:17.15 | deadcat | zignig: how can you tell i am not calm? |
| 01:17.21 | Cha1ns4w | werth a shot :) |
| 01:17.39 | Cha1ns4w | deadcat>if i were a deadcat,i'd go banana's! |
| 01:17.49 | abrotman | kspath: get a job!? |
| 01:18.00 | solemnwarning | yay! |
| 01:18.03 | solemnwarning | it works! |
| 01:18.06 | solemnwarning | :D |
| 01:18.07 | Cha1ns4w | w00t! |
| 01:18.09 | Cha1ns4w | now moo for us! |
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| 01:18.18 | solemnwarning | o_O |
| 01:18.19 | deadcat | !rape solemnwarning |
| 01:18.25 | Cha1ns4w | moo damnit! |
| 01:18.25 | deadcat | stupid bot |
| 01:18.28 | wiR|V4mpire | anyone tell me what i need to have with postfix and the best way to get it all setup ? |
| 01:18.28 | Cha1ns4w | or go tty1! |
| 01:18.34 | botsy | ha ok Cha1ns4w i have understand it's running script and pppd whose are even worse ... it's that ;) ? |
| 01:18.44 | kspath | abrotman: no I am jousting at windmills now SMP clusters threading concurrency .... all kinds of BS |
| 01:18.50 | deadcat | wiR|V4mpire: just postfix |
| 01:19.04 | Cha1ns4w | botsy>seriously,i'm open minded,but im not gonna fucking run babelfish on my goddamn irc channel! |
| 01:19.09 | bintut | gravity: nah.. :( |
| 01:19.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:19.23 | wiR|V4mpire | deadcat: postfix is a complete mail server ? |
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| 01:19.34 | solemnwarning | xchat :D |
| 01:19.34 | deadcat | Cha1ns4w: oh. that type of open minded... |
| 01:19.42 | Cha1ns4w | deadcat>yarr |
| 01:19.47 | deadcat | wiR|V4mpire: yes. last time i checked |
| 01:19.51 | deadcat | maybe they changed. |
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| 01:20.01 | kspath | did you read about EXIM or POSTFIX or SENDMAIL or QMAIL or ? |
| 01:20.11 | Cha1ns4w | i dont know shit either,i'm just not pretending i do :),i rtfm,then i get back to the community :) |
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| 01:20.25 | Cha1ns4w | after bashing the kb 40 times against a bloody head |
| 01:20.33 | deadcat | Cha1ns4w: no you dont. you whine like a little bitch (= |
| 01:20.37 | Cha1ns4w | which.in a way is quite enjoyable :) |
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| 01:20.52 | Cha1ns4w | deadcat>you like little bitches aswell! |
| 01:21.17 | deadcat | i say you whine like a little bitch. didnt say you like little bitches |
| 01:21.21 | Cha1ns4w | hehe :) |
| 01:21.23 | gravity | deadcat Cha1ns4w Knock it off |
| 01:21.30 | deadcat | my bad (= |
| 01:21.39 | Cha1ns4w | 'Warning,can become green when being confronted with superior specimen' |
| 01:21.42 | wiR|V4mpire | deadcat: i am what some people might call a n00b at mail servers and i want to like set it up to use more than one domain on it |
| 01:21.44 | Cha1ns4w | gravity>aww,allright :) |
| 01:21.48 | kspath | wiR|V4mpire: if you do not know anything about MTAs try EXIM and Postfix their basic setup is cleanish and easyish |
| 01:22.02 | deadcat | wiR|V4mpire: i dont know |
| 01:22.21 | Cha1ns4w | http://postfixwiki.org/index.php?title=Virtual_Users_and_Domains_with_Courier-IMAP_and_MySQL |
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| 01:22.31 | Cha1ns4w | err :P |
| 01:22.41 | wiR|V4mpire | kspath: wouldn't i just need one or the other ? |
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| 01:22.43 | Kerr | Hiya... X session 0 was crashed by cedega :-/ stupid sof2. Is there away i can kill it without killing session 2, my vnc session? |
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| 01:22.53 | Cha1ns4w | anyway,sleep tight,bb tommorow |
| 01:23.08 | deadcat | Kerr: can i get a copy of your cedega? thats like winex right? |
| 01:23.22 | kspath | wiR|V4mpire: yes, but I am guessing you will end up wanting to try both |
| 01:23.25 | leafers | how can i get back to my linux install once i run fdisk /mbr? |
| 01:23.36 | leafers | can i create a linux boot disk? |
| 01:23.37 | Kerr | deadcat: Sure, drop by #cedega and buy a copy :-P |
| 01:23.50 | deadcat | Kerr: so you dont want to share? |
| 01:23.53 | wiR|V4mpire | kspath: how do i do the test part of the setup ? |
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| 01:24.12 | HermanDE | leafers: boot cd... |
| 01:24.15 | stew | leafers: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
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| 01:24.21 | kspath | wiR|V4mpire: test part? |
| 01:24.55 | leafers | from here |
| 01:25.05 | wiR|V4mpire | Next, edit /etc/mail/aliases to add your local aliases. There should at least be an alias for root like: root: your@email.address. |
| 01:25.10 | wiR|V4mpire | that i do not have :S |
| 01:25.13 | gravity | deadcat: Take it to #warez |
| 01:25.22 | leafers | i could not figure out how to make a boot cd |
| 01:25.26 | deadcat | i was just wondering.... |
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| 01:25.50 | HermanDE | leafers: download a boot cd from the debian site.... |
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| 01:26.02 | HermanDE | leafers: Or even download a set of boot floopies...:() |
| 01:26.10 | kspath | wiR|V4mpire: you want people to walk you thru all elements of configuring your MTA on your machine(s)? |
| 01:26.19 | abrotman | hire an admin :) |
| 01:26.22 | leafers | i have a dvd burner |
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| 01:26.29 | leafers | it will burn cds in windows |
| 01:26.32 | zignig | leafers: down load the netinst disk. |
| 01:26.54 | wiR|V4mpire | kspath: i'm not the smartest of people when it comes to things like this for the first time |
| 01:26.54 | HermanDE | kspath: Which MTA are you using? |
| 01:27.00 | leafers | i have the netinst disk |
| 01:27.17 | HermanDE | wiR|V4mpire: Which MTA are you using? |
| 01:27.18 | zignig | use that then. |
| 01:27.18 | abrotman | wiR|V4mpire: so read |
| 01:27.31 | kspath | HermanDE: Postfix and sendmail and exim on some workstations |
| 01:27.35 | HermanDE | leafers: Perfect recovery disk.... |
| 01:27.39 | wiR|V4mpire | abrotman: i an but not understanding all that well |
| 01:28.01 | HermanDE | kspath: I'm a big exim guy.... Converted from sendmail in 1997.... |
| 01:28.11 | kspath | HermanDE: I like postfix and sendmail in a combined environment |
| 01:28.20 | leafers | download minimal bootable cd images? |
| 01:28.30 | zignig | HermanDE: exim rocks , so flexible, but it you want queues of 30,000 then postfix is the go. |
| 01:28.42 | kspath | HermanDE: I have nothing against Exim but I do not know enough about it to recommend it |
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| 01:28.50 | leafers | my netinst is a recover disk? |
| 01:28.53 | HermanDE | kspath: postfix reminds me of the feelings I had with sendmail... |
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| 01:29.12 | hammerabi | leafers: close enough |
| 01:29.14 | HermanDE | leafers: Yepper.... |
| 01:29.17 | Kerr | something died on x session 0 and seems to have taken xfree with it. is there a way to kill :0 without killing my vnc session? |
| 01:29.20 | leafers | just boot from that |
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| 01:29.23 | kspath | I love/loved sendmail and postfix they each have their own power |
| 01:29.32 | HermanDE | leafers: It's a wonderful thing... This linux stuff... |
| 01:29.37 | swatikiss | how can i see what applications might be using my sound card? |
| 01:29.51 | hammerabi | swatikiss: fuser -v /dev/dsp /dev/snd/pcm* |
| 01:29.51 | leafers | so i rebuild win2k then reboot from netinst? |
| 01:29.56 | HermanDE | leafers: Just ensure you follow the instructions and ensure that you don't reformat/reinstall... |
| 01:30.21 | EdgEy | how can i reinstall grub after windows has overwritten it? grub-install throws permission denied errors at me |
| 01:30.23 | swatikiss | hammerabi, thanks |
| 01:30.29 | leafers | it wont wipe out my present linux install? |
| 01:30.42 | leafers | ok |
| 01:31.18 | swatikiss | hammerabi, hmm. i am still unable to play an mp3 with xmms now |
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| 01:31.34 | zignig | swatikiss: lsof | grep /dev/dsp |
| 01:31.45 | hammerabi | swatikiss: that could be any number of other things |
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| 01:31.50 | EdgEy | noone knows? :( |
| 01:31.50 | hammerabi | swatikiss: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 01:32.32 | swatikiss | zignig, that says something about not being able to stat() ext3 file system.. |
| 01:32.46 | hammerabi | EdgEy: ...figure out why grub-install throws errors |
| 01:32.47 | HermanDE | kspath: exim is preset with a clean install of deb.... |
| 01:32.50 | swatikiss | hammerabi, ok, that gives static :) |
| 01:33.07 | HermanDE | kspath: for a single user who needs a very smll config it is perfect... |
| 01:33.09 | kspath | HermanDE: I know that is why it is my MTA on my debian-sarge box |
| 01:33.17 | hammerabi | swatikiss: then your sound is fine and xmms is misconfigured |
| 01:33.17 | swatikiss | hammerabi, now i can play a file... what does that command do? play static? |
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| 01:33.35 | hammerabi | swatikiss: yes |
| 01:33.39 | EdgEy | hammerabi, i don't know how |
| 01:33.49 | EdgEy | it tells me permission is denied to /dev/null |
| 01:33.54 | hammerabi | EdgEy: and you haven't provided nearly enough detail for someone else to guess |
| 01:33.57 | solomonn | when I installed debian, I set up a couple of raid0's. Now I want to be rid of one of them and use the partitions that made them up normally. now might i do that? |
| 01:34.01 | swatikiss | hammerabi, thanks, i have been having problems with this sound card built into my motherboard |
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| 01:34.29 | solomonn | * i used debian's install to easily make the raid0's, that is |
| 01:34.40 | EdgEy | /sbin/grub-install: line 487: /dev/null: Permission denied | The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
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| 01:34.51 | EdgEy | those are the errors i get after grub-install /dev/hda |
| 01:34.52 | hammerabi | yay software raid |
| 01:35.14 | stew | EdgEy: what are the permissions on /dev/null? |
| 01:35.25 | solomonn | hammerabi: i'm too lazy for anything better :) |
| 01:35.28 | stew | EdgEy: it should be the permissions of the beast |
| 01:35.32 | wiR|V4mpire | and to /etc/apt/apt.conf: |
| 01:35.34 | wiR|V4mpire | APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 01:35.40 | wiR|V4mpire | APT::Cache-Limit 12582912; |
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| 01:35.45 | wiR|V4mpire | ^^ how am i supposed to do that when it doesn't exist :S |
| 01:35.48 | solomonn | hammerabi: obviously; i was too lazy even to fully learn what i was doing before i did it. or at lest to fully learn how i might undo it :) |
| 01:35.52 | hunterp | does anyone run a dell latitude d600. |
| 01:35.55 | hammerabi | god I hate people who brag about software they wrote but don't provide source |
| 01:35.55 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 01:35.56 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 01:35.59 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: what is your actual goal? |
| 01:36.23 | wiR|V4mpire | setup a mail server for multiple domains |
| 01:36.26 | abrotman | wiR|V4mpire: you create the file |
| 01:36.33 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: why on earth are you messing with apt then? |
| 01:36.39 | EdgEy | stew, the permissions look fine... |
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| 01:36.54 | wiR|V4mpire | hammerabi: for some of the sources |
| 01:37.02 | stew | EdgEy: is your /boot a separate partition? |
| 01:37.06 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: that's not a specific reason |
| 01:37.13 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: sarge is perfectly capable of doing what you asked |
| 01:37.13 | EdgEy | no, i have / and /home |
| 01:37.14 | yves | while trying to install a pkg I get this message:" perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:" then LANGUAGE. LC_ALL and LANG. Any ideas? |
| 01:37.21 | hammerabi | yves: safe to ignore |
| 01:37.26 | hammerabi | tho I don't know how to fix it |
| 01:37.29 | cockroach | hi. i'm looking for a way to tunnel IPX over IP (UDP). so far I found an older tool called ipxtunnel and I'm wondering if any of you have successfully used it and/or know of a better solution. |
| 01:37.33 | stew | yves: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:38.05 | hammerabi | cockroach: tinc would also let you do that, since it can form a virtual layer-2 network |
| 01:38.24 | yves | hammerabi: thanks. So the install should have gone thru? I get a RESULT=0. |
| 01:38.34 | cockroach | hammerabi: thanks, I'll have a look at it |
| 01:38.39 | Gnea | cockroach: check out openvpn too |
| 01:38.51 | hammerabi | cockroach: (I've not used tinc in that mode, but it works very well as an IP VPN for me) |
| 01:39.26 | wiR|V4mpire | why is the debian site bad for some sources :/ |
| 01:39.26 | yves | stew: I<ll try that. Thanks. |
| 01:39.26 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: why are you messing with apt? |
| 01:39.26 | wiR|V4mpire | you do the apt-get... and doesn't always get the packages |
| 01:39.26 | Gnea | wiR|V4mpire: sources? |
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| 01:39.27 | stew | wiR|V4mpire: can you be more specific? |
| 01:39.31 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: sarge has all you need to host "a mail server for multiple domains" |
| 01:39.40 | Gnea | wiR|V4mpire: what's the error message? |
| 01:39.53 | wiR|V4mpire | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 01:39.55 | wiR|V4mpire | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 01:40.02 | Gnea | oh gee |
| 01:40.05 | Gnea | it tells you the solution |
| 01:40.10 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: then show us the actual error in #flood, along with your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:40.12 | abrotman | ack . reading! |
| 01:40.24 | Gnea | apt-get update |
| 01:40.59 | SimonRaven | ohnoz! the error messages are teh u53ful |
| 01:41.06 | Gnea | lol |
| 01:41.42 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: sudo apt-get update, like Gnea said |
| 01:41.50 | jbroome | oh great, next thing you'll tell me is that man pages have helpful info |
| 01:41.53 | hammerabi | it is also possible that the freenet one is fucked |
| 01:41.59 | Peggger | is it possible it use ping to check if a certain port is open? |
| 01:42.10 | EdgEy | hmm |
| 01:42.16 | abrotman | you can certainly use telnet |
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| 01:42.23 | SimonRaven | ping doesn't use tcp or udp |
| 01:42.24 | EdgEy | i think it's chroot screwing up somehow |
| 01:42.25 | Gnea | Peggger: telnet host port |
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| 01:42.34 | hammerabi | Peggger: no |
| 01:42.36 | Peggger | Gnea, oha yaha |
| 01:42.40 | hammerabi | Peggger: nmap or nc will tell you, tho |
| 01:42.45 | wiR|V4mpire | means updating stuff i didn't want to update also >.< |
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| 01:42.48 | EdgEy | fdisk -l doesn't work when i'm chrooted, can't access /proc/partitions |
| 01:42.52 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: no, that's not the case |
| 01:42.55 | EdgEy | but it works fine normally |
| 01:42.58 | SimonRaven | or ddp, or any other protocol that uses port numbers |
| 01:43.02 | Gnea | wiR|V4mpire: bite the bullet or suffer |
| 01:43.05 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: please read the apt man page to understand what the difference is between 'update' and 'upgrade' |
| 01:43.12 | SimonRaven | EdgEy: so mount it |
| 01:43.19 | hammerabi | EdgEy: did you mount /proc/ in the chroot? |
| 01:43.24 | botsy | for disable auto connect from pppd i need just contnt llcp-echo-interval and lcp-echo-failure in /etc/ppp/options no ? |
| 01:43.27 | Kerr | is there a way to kill off a single x session? XFree86 is at 99.5% cpu, but it's got nothing to do with my poor vnc sesion. |
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| 01:43.48 | hammerabi | Kerr: kill it, but if vnc is linked to it at all, bubye |
| 01:43.48 | deadcat | Kerr: find the pid and kill it |
| 01:44.07 | Gnea | Kerr: are you sure it's not a sub-process? |
| 01:44.28 | _iH8|laptop | is there someway to restore all apache2 settings back to default thru apt-get? |
| 01:44.51 | Gnea | apt-get --purge remove apache2 && apt-get install apache2 |
| 01:44.59 | beardy | _iH8|laptop: purge and reinstall |
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| 01:45.11 | stew | _iH8|laptop: what Gnea said but you need to include apache2-common as well |
| 01:45.16 | hammerabi | uh, does the apache2 package actually own the config files? |
| 01:45.24 | EdgEy | hammerabi, can you look in #flood please? |
| 01:45.27 | abrotman | apache2-common |
| 01:45.28 | stew | hammerabi: no, apache2-common does |
| 01:45.37 | _iH8|laptop | ok, thnx |
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| 01:46.17 | wiR|V4mpire | does postfix use a group that i need to add clamd to ? |
| 01:46.31 | Kerr | Gnea: pretty sure it's root 11623 16.9 4.5 187048 11796 ? RL Dec28 33:58 /usr/X11R6/bin/X |
| 01:46.37 | hammerabi | depends how you configure clamd |
| 01:46.46 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: http://www.insanegenius.net/postfix.html |
| 01:47.17 | Gnea | Kerr: check the second field, that's the pid you want to nail |
| 01:47.53 | Kerr | isn't that gonna be the x server, not just the session? |
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| 01:47.59 | yves | stew:for ? |
| 01:47.59 | yves | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.00 | yves | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.00 | yves | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:48.20 | snadge | why would a fresh install always give connection refused when another host on the ethernet, tries to mount an nfs share? |
| 01:48.20 | stew | was he really about to paste every single locale? |
| 01:48.27 | Gnea | i think so |
| 01:48.46 | Gnea | snadge: because it's not setup |
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| 01:48.49 | stew | snadge: becuase you need to install nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server on the server and nfs-client on the client |
| 01:48.50 | zOap | is there a ext3 version of recover/gtkrecover? |
| 01:48.50 | hammerabi | snadge: because you didn't setup NFS sharing? |
| 01:49.28 | Gnea | zOap: ext3 is just ext2 with a journal layer, so it's the same thing, basically |
| 01:49.31 | Kerr | Gnea: I don't want to kill x every time a game in cedega crashes :-/ Is there no way to only kill x session 0? |
| 01:49.37 | snadge | its all set up as it normally would be though.. the server can mount itself, it can mount a share on the client.. but the client cant mount a share on the server, connection refused when trying to connect to sunrpc port.. portmap is running |
| 01:49.47 | zOap | Gnea, so recover will work on it? |
| 01:49.54 | Gnea | Kerr: so run cedega in its own X session |
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| 01:50.11 | yves | Stew: for dpkg-reconfigure locales, what locales to use for regular US English? |
| 01:50.24 | Gnea | zOap: you may want to research doing it on ext3 a bit (google.com, tldp.org, etc) but yeah |
| 01:50.28 | stew | yves: en_US or en_US.UTF-8 |
| 01:50.37 | yves | tks |
| 01:50.38 | abrotman | or both |
| 01:50.41 | beardy | yves: C, no need to generate locales |
| 01:50.44 | wiR|V4mpire | i really do hate debian at times |
| 01:50.50 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: why? |
| 01:51.08 | abrotman | because he can't read |
| 01:51.11 | zOap | Gnea, thanks:) |
| 01:51.21 | wiR|V4mpire | because i still can't get some packages from the debian site |
| 01:51.22 | Gnea | wiR|V4mpire: then go use gentoo or redhat |
| 01:51.34 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: your sources.list is fucked |
| 01:51.34 | jbroome | words are hard |
| 01:51.35 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: fix it |
| 01:51.39 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: then have a beer |
| 01:51.39 | beardy | wiR|V4mpire: And that's debian's fault? |
| 01:51.43 | wiR|V4mpire | redhat i dispise |
| 01:51.52 | abrotman | !apt-setup |
| 01:51.52 | dpkg | from memory, apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. |
| 01:51.54 | beardy | !nickometer wiR|V4mpire |
| 01:51.56 | dpkg | 'wiR|V4mpire' is 24.000% lame, beardy |
| 01:51.56 | deadcat | wiR|V4mpire: just stick with windows |
| 01:52.01 | Kerr | Gnea: cedega is running in session 0 as far as i'm aware, i was web-browsing via vnc from my laptop.. the pc is totaly locked though i can still ssh in from the laptop. I know from explerience killing x fixes it, but it forces me to restart the vnc server too :-/ |
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| 01:52.23 | Gnea | wiR|V4mpire: so what makes you think that you'd be upgrading every package with an update? |
| 01:52.40 | wiR|V4mpire | deadcat: apart from i'm not paying for lisences and all that jsut for mail servers |
| 01:52.55 | wiR|V4mpire | Gnea: i done apt-get update |
| 01:52.56 | deadcat | ok |
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| 01:53.00 | Gnea | Kerr: i'm talking about running cedega in session 1 |
| 01:53.02 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: you could have fixed this and be smoking crack from a garden hose by now if you'd listened fifteen minutes ago |
| 01:53.06 | wiR|V4mpire | now got more that wont update :/ |
| 01:53.14 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: so show us the error already |
| 01:53.26 | Gnea | wiR|V4mpire: which ones? |
| 01:53.56 | Kerr | Gnea: if it locks up the keyboard when it crashes and i need to rescue my flatmate from the laptop. does it matter :-/ it's already in it's own, as i was using session 2? |
| 01:54.08 | hammerabi | wiR|V4mpire: get rid of non-us from your sources.list entirely |
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| 01:54.40 | Gnea | Kerr: are you trying to share the vnc session that cedega is running in? |
| 01:54.43 | Kerr | i was using 1, but it crashed half an hour ago and i killed x, which turned the vnc server to jelly, so it now gives me 2 for some reaosn, even after i killed 1. |
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| 01:54.48 | Kerr | Gnea: no :-/ |
| 01:54.53 | Gnea | oh |
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| 01:55.11 | Gnea | that's probably because, when you killed it, it didn't clean itself up |
| 01:55.13 | zOap | I have a dvd iso image with a dvd-video on it. how do I mount it so totem and xine show it as a dvd? |
| 01:55.16 | Kerr | cedega is running in 0, on the pc, my flatmate is using it. I switched to the laptop as i don't do anything graphics intensive. |
| 01:55.22 | Gnea | so the new server thought session 0 was still running |
| 01:55.23 | yxa2 | anyone knows if debian runs well on sparc? |
| 01:55.32 | Gnea | !sparc |
| 01:55.32 | dpkg | from memory, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 01:55.33 | jbroome | yxa2: yes |
| 01:55.36 | beardy | yxa2: yes |
| 01:55.43 | Gnea | yxa2: trick question, right? yes. |
| 01:56.09 | yxa2 | Gnea not at all. i have an old ultra 10 that i want to put to use |
| 01:56.13 | yves | stew: thanks a million. I was having problems with the CVS package (corrupted) and the apt-get upgrade kept giving me error messages with the locales. All is fix now. Thanks again. |
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| 01:56.50 | yxa2 | as long as it can have a 3-digit uptime i'm happy |
| 01:56.52 | Kerr | now, session 0/cedega is dead again, and i face killing x again, forcing me to restart the vnc server again, losing my downloads, and connections therein, all because some game died ~.~ it's frustrating. Is there no way to kill the frozen sesison without killing the vnc session? |
| 01:56.53 | kanzure | !e2fsprogs |
| 01:56.53 | dpkg | methinks e2fsprogs is if you are getting a messages about Force LoopBreak a likely cause is that you are trying to upgrade pre-stable packages to testing which isnt' supported. you should fully upgrade to the current stable before upgrading to testing,ask me about <force loopbreak> |
| 01:57.10 | kanzure | !force loopbreak |
| 01:57.10 | dpkg | 'apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade'. Fix suggested by xk. Then you can remove or purge outdated packages after the upgrade. if you are getting this message about e2fsproogs, ask me about <e2fsprogs loop> |
| 01:57.33 | hammerabi | don't do that |
| 01:57.48 | kanzure | hm? |
| 01:57.49 | Gnea | yxa2: shouldn't be a problem, might take a while to get accustomed to |
| 01:57.54 | abrotman | kanzure: stop with the damn bot .. /msg dpkg hi |
| 01:57.58 | kanzure | hammerabi: was that in reference to me? |
| 01:58.00 | kanzure | abrotman: alright |
| 01:58.22 | yxa2 | Gnea you seem to have used it before? can i do crazy stuff like Stop-A? |
| 01:58.36 | zOap | what fstype is dvd video? |
| 01:58.46 | kanzure | can anybody explain to me what it means, though? |
| 01:59.02 | Gnea | yxa2: i've only used it on a sparcstation, haven't had the fun of doing it on an ultrasparc - but yeah, stop-a should work just fine :) |
| 01:59.04 | hammerabi | kanzure: what what means? |
| 01:59.06 | kanzure | I do not think I can afford the time to download this few hundred megs of archives apt-get is claiming I should install. |
| 01:59.21 | kanzure | hammerabi: I'm getting this e2fsprogs loop back error when I try to apt-get php-db php-pear |
| 01:59.22 | hammerabi | kanzure: then leave apt alone |
| 01:59.33 | hammerabi | kanzure: time to upgrade to sarge then |
| 01:59.42 | yxa2 | Gnea how different is it? |
| 01:59.44 | abrotman | !tell kanzure about e2fsprogs loop |
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| 02:00.34 | abrotman | !tell tengulre about root |
| 02:00.34 | Gnea | yxa2: basically the same, you just can't run x86 binaries on it |
| 02:00.34 | Shadowcat | !root |
| 02:00.35 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 02:00.43 | Shadowcat | in other words |
| 02:00.45 | Gnea | yxa2: and it uses silo, which rocks |
| 02:00.48 | Shadowcat | tengulre: STOP IRCING AS ROOT |
| 02:01.13 | Gnea | Shadowcat: calm down, he can't talk anyhow :) |
| 02:01.33 | EdgEy | i got it sorted |
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| 02:01.35 | yxa2 | Gnea can i still use apt-get? |
| 02:01.35 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Root. God. What's the difference? |
| 02:01.40 | EdgEy | knoppix's chroot was fucking about.. |
| 02:01.42 | Gnea | yxa2: of course! |
| 02:02.00 | Gnea | scarynetworkguy: dondelelcaro |
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| 02:02.12 | kanzure | scarynetworkguy: one has the public key ;) |
| 02:02.13 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: god took seven days .. root takes one if he's good :) |
| 02:02.25 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Hehe. Fair enough. |
| 02:02.28 | Shadowcat | damn |
| 02:02.32 | yxa2 | gnea that's good. i'll give it whirrl in a day or 2 |
| 02:02.32 | Shadowcat | someone should clear the ban list in here |
| 02:02.34 | Shadowcat | it's HUGE |
| 02:02.45 | abrotman | Shadda: it's fairly small compared to normal |
| 02:02.56 | Gnea | Shadowcat: someone already did that a week ago |
| 02:02.59 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:03.02 | Gnea | it's been updated |
| 02:03.02 | Shadowcat | I don't want to know what *normal* is then :P |
| 02:03.03 | beardy | Shadowcat: And huger it will be. |
| 02:03.22 | Shadowcat | larger you mean :P |
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| 02:03.30 | kanzure | yep, definitely now |
| 02:03.35 | kanzure | kick-ban! :) |
| 02:03.40 | Gnea | ya wreckin'? |
| 02:04.02 | beardy | larger you're mean |
| 02:04.02 | abrotman | Shadowcat: can reach 200+ |
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| 02:04.20 | abrotman | tengulre: better :) |
| 02:04.27 | Gnea | dis funk shun al |
| 02:04.31 | tengulre | :) |
| 02:05.40 | beardy | ur rung neway |
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| 02:06.45 | wiR|V4mpire | how do you test it to see if it works ? |
| 02:07.06 | Gnea | !tell wiR|V4mpire about newbie-guide |
| 02:07.08 | Spork_Boy | so I notice there's an option in gnome/nautilus for "mount media when hotplugged", etc, but it doesn't seem to work... any ideas why? |
| 02:07.33 | abrotman | you have to be in a certain group it hink |
| 02:07.35 | abrotman | i think |
| 02:08.02 | Gnea | Spork_Boy: because the gnome llamas took the actual functionality out because they thought it would confuse people |
| 02:08.09 | Kerr | Gnea: Before i go and repeat the killing cycle.. do you know of any way to kill x session 0 without taking 2 down with it? |
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| 02:08.47 | tengulre | any1 here using Qmail server under debian? |
| 02:09.06 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 02:09.06 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 02:09.08 | beardy | It's ne1 you moron. |
| 02:09.13 | stouset | Spork_Boy: What configuration option are you talking about? |
| 02:09.16 | Gnea | Kerr: ls -l /tmp/.X*-lock how many results? |
| 02:09.31 | Spork_Boy | Gnea: then could you suggest something easier for my cdrom/flash drive/card reader than su'ing and mounting it manually? |
| 02:09.35 | Gnea | !qmail |
| 02:09.35 | dpkg | i heard qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html |
| 02:09.38 | stouset | beardy: No, you fool. It's knee-one. |
| 02:09.57 | stouset | Spork_Boy: Again, what configuration option are you talking about? |
| 02:09.59 | beardy | stouset: My miss take. |
| 02:10.03 | Gnea | Spork_Boy: usbmount |
| 02:10.18 | stouset | beardy: And if your miss takes again, you won't hear the end of it. |
| 02:10.22 | Spork_Boy | stouset: applications--desktop preferences--removeanle drives and media |
| 02:10.22 | Kerr | Gnea: two, X0 and X2 |
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| 02:10.39 | hammerabi | tengulre: #qmail, qmail is not in Debian and has a rather small user community amongst Debian folk |
| 02:10.57 | abrotman | i thought it had a qmail-src package ? |
| 02:11.06 | Spork_Boy | (fyi, I've been off my box for 2yrs up until last week) |
| 02:11.12 | Gnea | Kerr: ah - when you killed the first one, it didn't remove that file (it contains the pid) so something like this could do it cleanly: kill -9 `cat /tmp/.X0-lock` && rm -f /tmp/.X0-lock |
| 02:11.18 | stouset | Spork_Boy: And, when you plug in your flash drives, it doesn't automount? |
| 02:11.20 | tengulre | I want to building a mail server, about 10,000 users, but I don't know which platform and software is better? |
| 02:11.28 | abrotman | !info qmail-src sarge |
| 02:11.28 | Spork_Boy | stouset: nope. |
| 02:11.29 | dpkg | qmail-src: (Source only package for building qmail binary package), section non-free/mail, is extra. Version: 1.03-38 (sarge), Packaged size: 565 kB, Installed size: 648 kB |
| 02:11.34 | hammerabi | tengulre: any free MTA can handle that |
| 02:11.37 | hammerabi | abrotman: in non-free |
| 02:11.37 | stouset | Spork_Boy: It does automount? |
| 02:11.39 | yves | how do I check out the drivers used for my soundcard? (yes I'm a newbie with this Linux thing :P ) |
| 02:11.43 | abrotman | hammerabi: that's in debian :) |
| 02:11.45 | botsy_ | anybody what's the command for restart qpopper ? |
| 02:12.03 | Gnea | botsy_: how's it run? |
| 02:12.08 | hammerabi | abrotman: don't make me get out the "contrib and non-free are not part of Debian, just using the same infrastructure" linke ;p |
| 02:12.10 | Spork_Boy | stouset: it only loads the module |
| 02:12.16 | beardy | !noob |
| 02:12.16 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 02:12.17 | jbroome | botsy_: /etc/init.d/qpopper restart? |
| 02:12.18 | hammerabi | yves: you don't bother, normally |
| 02:12.23 | abrotman | hammerabi: as far as i am concerned .. it's on the damn server .. it's in debian |
| 02:12.27 | stouset | Spork_Boy: Oh. |
| 02:12.28 | hammerabi | yves: dmesg would eventually tell you |
| 02:12.37 | botsy_ | jbroome, no i not studip ;) |
| 02:12.37 | Gnea | !beer abrotman |
| 02:12.39 | stouset | Spork_Boy: Add yourself to the plugdev group. |
| 02:12.42 | stouset | Spork_Boy: Log out, in. |
| 02:12.51 | hammerabi | tengulre: postfix has a nice user community and is used on a number of high-load systems |
| 02:12.56 | kspath | tengulre: for only 10,000 almost anything will work |
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| 02:13.02 | stouset | hammerabi: And doesn't, in general, suck. |
| 02:13.04 | tengulre | oh! |
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| 02:13.13 | Spork_Boy | stouset: what's the command for that? |
| 02:13.16 | Kerr | Gnea: looks like it fried vnc too |
| 02:13.20 | tengulre | thanks! :) |
| 02:13.30 | Gnea | Kerr: suckage |
| 02:13.36 | yves | Beardy: thanks. That felt real great. :P ;) |
| 02:13.39 | hammerabi | stouset: praise the lord |
| 02:13.48 | botsy_ | Gnea, i don't know but i have restart my connection and fetchmail don't want take make in my pop server ... |
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| 02:13.51 | Gnea | of the rings |
| 02:13.53 | stouset | Spork_Boy: adduser youruser plugdev |
| 02:14.04 | Kerr | odd |
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| 02:14.33 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.40 | botsy_ | and postfix don't want send mail in my provider pop server ... ? |
| 02:14.44 | Gnea | botsy_: well if it isn't started with inetd, then what jbroome said |
| 02:14.45 | tengulre | I want to building a UMS(Unified Message System) server, which platform is better, FreeBSD, Redhat, Debian .... ? |
| 02:14.57 | hammerabi | tengulre: whatever you're most comfortable using |
| 02:15.02 | botsy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.04 | hammerabi | UMS sounds like a rather silly buzzword, tho |
| 02:15.07 | stouset | tengulre: What hammerabi said. |
| 02:15.12 | beardy | And, when asking here, take a a guess. |
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| 02:15.23 | botsy_ | i haven't activate wiltcard with ipcheck ;) |
| 02:15.24 | Spork_Boy | stouset: ok.. gonna see if that works.. if I'm not backw it's working or exploded so... kthx or dammit. |
| 02:15.32 | tengulre | ;( |
| 02:15.41 | tengulre | thanks |
| 02:15.49 | Gnea | tengulre: what did you expect asking a question like that here? |
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| 02:16.01 | hammerabi | tengulre: what were you hoping to hear? |
| 02:16.08 | stouset | Spork_Boy: Just thanks is fine. |
| 02:16.08 | hammerabi | tengulre: we could lie if it would make your decision easier |
| 02:16.25 | abrotman | UMS systems should always run on DOS |
| 02:16.32 | stouset | hammerabi: That wouldn't be very productive. OS/2 Warp is the best solution! |
| 02:16.33 | abrotman | duh .. redundant |
| 02:17.05 | tengulre | abrotman: what? you are point Microsoft DOS 16bit? |
| 02:17.24 | abrotman | engrish ? |
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| 02:17.36 | beardy | Seems like it. |
| 02:17.46 | stouset | tengulre: No, no, no. 4-bit QDOS. |
| 02:17.46 | tengulre | Hehe....! |
| 02:18.00 | stouset | tengulre: MS-DOS is a resource hog. |
| 02:18.06 | tengulre | HAHA.... |
| 02:18.17 | hammerabi | tengulre: seriously, the feasability of such a project will depend far more on your skills than your choice of OS |
| 02:18.30 | hammerabi | since all the software you'll be using are portable and commodities, anyway |
| 02:18.56 | beardy | And UMS is and does what? |
| 02:19.10 | stouset | beardy: Duh. Unified messaging. |
| 02:19.16 | hammerabi | I assume it was code for "SMTP, POP3 and IMAP4." |
| 02:19.22 | beardy | stouset: That tells is all. |
| 02:19.25 | beardy | it |
| 02:19.30 | hammerabi | if it's some stupid proprietary software, that's someone else's problem |
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| 02:19.37 | tengulre | anybody, I want to know , u using Debian to do? Server or Desktop? |
| 02:19.40 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:19.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:19.41 | kspath | voice mail? faxes? pages? emails? |
| 02:19.42 | hammerabi | tengulre: both |
| 02:19.44 | beardy | haha.. |
| 02:19.55 | stouset | kspath: MESSAGES, you noob. |
| 02:19.58 | dood | dekstop on an ibm thinkpad |
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| 02:20.00 | tengulre | kspath, all! |
| 02:20.04 | dood | desktop& |
| 02:20.08 | dood | desktop** |
| 02:20.26 | kspath | stouset: you do not know me apparently not that it would make a difference |
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| 02:20.41 | stouset | kspath: It probably would. I tend to be ruder to people I do know. :\ |
| 02:21.13 | tengulre | hammerabi: what service of your server runnig ? |
| 02:21.17 | kspath | tengulre: why are you crusing #debian ? |
| 02:21.24 | tengulre | :( |
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| 02:21.35 | absolutzero | any optional consoleo video device that doesn't use frame buffer? |
| 02:21.40 | hammerabi | tengulre: http, smtp, imap, jabber, etc |
| 02:21.47 | hammerabi | absolutzero: svgalib, which is basically dead |
| 02:21.54 | hammerabi | absolutzero: X is way way way way way less hassle |
| 02:22.04 | beardy | absolutzero: aalib |
| 02:22.05 | kanzure | how can I install the new e2fsprogs if I can not early remove e2fsprogs (a message by apt-get) |
| 02:22.06 | kanzure | ? |
| 02:22.16 | kspath | tengulre: I you want to do it all this is a good channel but are you looking for consultants or something? |
| 02:22.25 | stouset | beardy: I wish more things would use aalib...especially now that I have a nice 1400x1050 console. |
| 02:22.27 | absolutzero | I am working on a console based system, complete with e-mail, news reader etec for remote users |
| 02:22.34 | hammerabi | kanzure: upgrade. to. sarge. |
| 02:22.43 | kanzure | hammerabi: how? apt-get upgrade? |
| 02:22.46 | absolutzero | via ssh |
| 02:22.48 | tengulre | absolutzero: COOL! |
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| 02:22.54 | beardy | stouset: Yeah.. |
| 02:23.11 | hammerabi | kanzure: yes... |
| 02:23.22 | absolutzero | You on here alot Tengulre? |
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| 02:23.30 | jbroome | !tell kanzure about sarge upgrade |
| 02:23.36 | kanzure | hammerabi: yeah, that's where I'm getting this e2fsprogs error :P |
| 02:23.47 | hammerabi | kanzure: no, it's not |
| 02:23.57 | absolutzero | when I get the security where I want it, I'll hook you up with an account |
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| 02:23.58 | kanzure | hammerabi: so then 'apt-get upgrade' is not the way to do it? |
| 02:24.00 | hammerabi | kanzure: point your /etc/apt/sources.list at SARGE, not testing |
| 02:24.37 | kanzure | hammerabi: how should I do that? manually edit the file? |
| 02:24.41 | hammerabi | oh man |
| 02:24.43 | jbroome | yes |
| 02:24.50 | jbroome | with a text editor |
| 02:24.54 | kanzure | alright |
| 02:24.58 | jbroome | don't use whiteout on your screen |
| 02:25.04 | kanzure | are ypu sure? |
| 02:25.06 | absolutzero | ouch...svgalib is a linux timebomb |
| 02:25.08 | kanzure | *you |
| 02:25.20 | jbroome | maybe a pencil eraser, but definitly not white out |
| 02:25.25 | beardy | absolutzero: ? |
| 02:25.30 | hammerabi | kanzure: please don't say things like "yeah, that's where I'm getting this e2fsprogs error :P" when what you really mean is "I don't know what you mean" |
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| 02:25.54 | kanzure | hammerabi: sorry; though if you look at your logs you will see that you said 'yes' when I asked 'how? apt-get upgrade?' |
| 02:26.05 | hammerabi | kanzure: yes, to sarge |
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| 02:27.13 | absolutzero | beardy:? |
| 02:27.34 | beardy | absolutzero: "svgalib is a linux timebomb" ? |
| 02:27.43 | absolutzero | heck yeah |
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| 02:28.08 | absolutzero | type "/msg dpkg svgalib" |
| 02:28.09 | hammerabi | it's unmaintained and insecure |
| 02:28.36 | beardy | Have you tried it? |
| 02:29.20 | beardy | That may be, but "timebomb" where did you get that from. |
| 02:29.25 | absolutzero | my system will also offer a remote x-session for authenticated users, once I figure out how to limit the number of X-sessions |
| 02:29.30 | abrotman | hey look .. a three headed beardy! |
| 02:29.42 | kanzure | timebomb, as in, 'just waiting to cause a huge problem' |
| 02:29.59 | absolutzero | the description just made me think "timebomb" |
| 02:30.09 | absolutzero | Xactly |
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| 02:31.32 | kspath | tengulre: how Universal? AIM? MSN? ICQ? rss? what common format? faxes converted to voice? faxes rendered? faxes converted to text via ocr? |
| 02:32.25 | beardy | abrotman: heh (where did it go?) |
| 02:32.42 | abrotman | beardy: it's behind you! |
| 02:32.51 | kspath | tengulre: there are already similar services that are not Universal but cover a lot |
| 02:33.00 | beardy | abrotman: Does it carry timebombs? |
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| 02:33.22 | absolutzero | ah man, I am logging in on VNC and every time it gives me gnome...but I want KDE, who do I change that? |
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| 02:35.39 | abrotman | beardy: of course not .. he just wants to hump you leg .. he does have three heads after all :) |
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| 02:36.54 | beardy | abrotman: :) I didn't know that a being with three heads necesarily was interested in leg-humping. |
| 02:37.21 | MentatMM | Anyone know of any free Windows apps that support Double Layer DVD+R? I'm hoping to make a few bootable Debian Sarge DVD's for some friends. |
| 02:37.21 | abrotman | beardy: MMM .. unless you know a FFF adapter ? |
| 02:37.56 | abrotman | i can't believe i'm going to say this .. does anyone .. know where i can find more fonts to use with inkscape ? |
| 02:38.07 | beardy | !pal abrotman |
| 02:38.22 | beardy | abrotman: FFF? |
| 02:38.25 | abrotman | i hate fonts .. i really do |
| 02:38.30 | abrotman | beardy: Female ? |
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| 02:38.34 | abrotman | do go with Male ? |
| 02:39.41 | abrotman | err s/do go/to go/ |
| 02:40.16 | DragonDav | in debian what configures the runlevels? |
| 02:40.31 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
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| 02:40.55 | hammerabi | it's far less of a deal than on redhat |
| 02:41.11 | beardy | !update-rc.d |
| 02:41.11 | dpkg | from memory, update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process |
| 02:41.13 | beardy | !rcconf |
| 02:41.13 | dpkg | rcconf is probably a frontend to the update-rc.d |
| 02:41.18 | beardy | DragonDav: Why? |
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| 02:42.55 | DragonDav | beardy: just configuring some stuff |
| 02:43.12 | DragonDav | i don't have rcconf |
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| 02:43.20 | beardy | !install it |
| 02:43.26 | DragonDav | lol |
| 02:43.39 | abrotman | i don't think rcconf made it into sarge ? |
| 02:43.56 | hammerabi | it was rc-fucked for a long time |
| 02:44.01 | thc | where can i find aol-9.0.deb ? |
| 02:44.08 | gravity | wtf |
| 02:44.14 | thc | hehehehehe |
| 02:44.32 | thc | i just spent $480 on movies and games for my psp |
| 02:44.40 | abrotman | thc: dpkg -i super-slow-internet-1.4 |
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| 02:44.46 | thc | abrotman: sweet, thanks. |
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| 02:45.08 | Serajewe1KS | thc: or if that doesn't work, rm /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 02:45.25 | Serajewe1KS | thc: 'ifdown eth0' would also do the trick |
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| 02:45.28 | thc | Serajewe1KS: i'm on windows, windows has an /etc ? |
| 02:45.40 | abrotman | thc: c:\winnt\system32\drivers\etc\ |
| 02:45.44 | thc | haha |
| 02:45.45 | Serajewe1KS | thc: windows doesn't have dpkg either |
| 02:45.47 | abrotman | damn it .. my stupid brain! |
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| 02:46.09 | kspath | win has hosts and ipconfig and winipconfig yes? |
| 02:46.10 | hammerabi | so, sudoku is equivalent to the colouring problem |
| 02:46.18 | abrotman | winipconfig is a program |
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| 02:46.22 | abrotman | so it ipconfig |
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| 02:46.32 | abrotman | and i think it's actually winipcfg |
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| 02:46.38 | abrotman | damn it .. why do i know all this stuff! |
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| 02:46.44 | Serajewe1KS | abrotman: afaik, XP ditched winipcfg |
| 02:46.54 | abrotman | XP did .. it has ipconfig |
| 02:46.57 | kspath | I have been forgeting it hard and fast for years |
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| 02:47.07 | Serajewe1KS | thc: try something like 'ipconfig * disable' -- i think that'll do it |
| 02:47.10 | Pres-Gas | Okay, what file gets touched when I set gdm with another default window manager? |
| 02:47.11 | abrotman | actually .. all NT based have ipconfig .. only win9x has winipcfg |
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| 02:47.51 | Serajewe1KS | Pres-Gas: no file, because that makes absolutely no sense |
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| 02:48.48 | thc | actually i believe gdm will still read ~/.xsession for the default d/e or w/m |
| 02:49.24 | Pres-Gas | Serajewe1KS, I mean, when I change my default session from Gnome to, say Fluxbox, and I want to make that a permanent choice |
| 02:49.34 | thc | Pres-Gas: ~/.xsession |
| 02:49.46 | Pres-Gas | okay, thc |
| 02:50.10 | Pres-Gas | lemme look if gdm touched that file |
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| 02:50.33 | Serajewe1KS | Pres-Gas: ah, okay |
| 02:50.43 | yves | When I boot into KDE I get this message: "device /dev/audio can't be opened (No such device)" I know my souncard (Crystal AW35/AW37) is in the HCL of Debian. How can I fix this? |
| 02:50.45 | antiPoP | hello |
| 02:50.51 | antiPoP | i have a newbie question :) |
| 02:51.04 | Serajewe1KS | yves: does /dev/audio exist? |
| 02:51.19 | yves | let me check |
| 02:51.21 | Serajewe1KS | yves: and are any other programs using it? |
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| 02:51.29 | antiPoP | how can I get my relative path from a shell? |
| 02:51.31 | Serajewe1KS | yves: er wait, no. "no such device," duh |
| 02:51.40 | antiPoP | this is the relative path to my home dir |
| 02:51.46 | Serajewe1KS | yves: make sure that alsa is configured properly and that the modules for your card are loaded |
| 02:52.26 | Serajewe1KS | antiPoP: pwd? |
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| 02:53.02 | yves | Serajewe1KS: how do I go about this? (sorry, I'm learning all this as I go along) |
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| 02:53.34 | Serajewe1KS | yves: you can try running alsaconf as root. as for the modules, i don't know what modules that card needs, but i would think that hotplug would have loaded them when you booted. |
| 02:53.35 | Pres-Gas | Serajewe1KS, wouldn't that provide the full path? The relative path is just "~". Or am I just wrong? |
| 02:54.03 | yves | Serajewe1KS: thanks. will try that. |
| 02:54.19 | Serajewe1KS | Pres-Gas: i gave the best answer given his wording. if i gave the wrong answer he needs to refine his question so it asks for what he wants. |
| 02:54.42 | Pres-Gas | Ahhh, like me |
| 02:54.53 | Serajewe1KS | Pres-Gas: and ~ isn't a relative path, it's a character that the shell will expand to an absolute path |
| 02:54.56 | Serajewe1KS | Pres-Gas: yeah more or less ;) |
| 02:55.04 | Pres-Gas | lol |
| 02:55.14 | Pres-Gas | thanks, Serajewe1KS |
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| 02:55.23 | antiPoP | Serajewe1KS thatreturns the absolutepath :( |
| 02:55.25 | Serajewe1KS | Pres-Gas: it's a L not a 1 |
| 02:55.37 | Serajewe1KS | antiPoP: then rephrase your question. i have no idea what you're asking for. |
| 02:55.45 | antiPoP | ok |
| 02:55.51 | antiPoP | I open a shell |
| 02:55.57 | Serajewe1KS | !enter |
| 02:55.57 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 02:56.04 | antiPoP | I make a dir called myDir |
| 02:56.08 | antiPoP | cd myDir |
| 02:56.14 | Serajewe1KS | Pres-Gas: or wait, dangit, i must have dropped my connection |
| 02:56.34 | SerajewelKS | Pres-Gas: *now* it's an l ;) |
| 02:56.39 | antiPoP | and now i need acomand that returns "myDir" instead /usr/antiPoP/myDir |
| 02:56.44 | antiPoP | is this possible??? |
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| 02:56.58 | Malagmyr | Oh my god. A windows box here just popped up a message from Adobe Reader. It asks me if I want to install "Critical updates" (to view critical .pdf files, I guess) and contains yes/no buttons. However, while neither of the buttons are greyed out, only the yes button is clickable. *sigh* |
| 02:57.09 | SerajewelKS | antiPoP: why the hell would you ever need that |
| 02:57.09 | yves | Serajewe1KS: I get "command not found" when I try aslaconf. Is this a pkg I need to install? |
| 02:57.16 | SerajewelKS | antiPoP: what are you trying to do |
| 02:57.27 | SerajewelKS | yves: no, you just need to spell it right. 'alsaconf' |
| 02:57.37 | beardy | antiPoP: Don't create directories outside of /home |
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| 02:58.02 | antiPoP | sorry, I was meant /home/antiPoP |
| 02:58.21 | SerajewelKS | antiPoP: what exactly are you trying to do that calls for the last component of a path |
| 02:58.24 | thc | yves: what kernel are you running |
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| 02:58.50 | antiPoP | well, its for an assigmnement |
| 02:58.59 | antiPoP | I can get the aboslute path with pwd |
| 02:59.04 | hammerabi | haha |
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| 02:59.10 | antiPoP | but no idea of how to het the relative |
| 02:59.20 | hammerabi | basename `pwd` |
| 02:59.26 | hammerabi | also, this is not #homeworkhelp |
| 02:59.54 | antiPoP | I know, |
| 03:00.00 | yves | SerajewelKS: I spelled it right in the console. |
| 03:00.03 | antiPoP | but I have not idea of how toi solve this |
| 03:00.07 | SerajewelKS | antiPoP: unless using that method is a requirement of the assignment, you are going about it the wrong way |
| 03:00.08 | antiPoP | and also makes not much sens |
| 03:00.09 | yves | thc:2.6 |
| 03:00.22 | SerajewelKS | yves: maybe apt-get install alsa-utils -- i think that's where it is |
| 03:00.22 | deadcat | antiPoP: you need to read your book |
| 03:00.23 | antiPoP | as if I'm outside home, I would get an error |
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| 03:00.34 | thc | yves: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss && alsaconf && alsamixer |
| 03:00.37 | antiPoP | yep, I know, but comes pwd command, but not this |
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| 03:00.59 | deadcat | antiPoP: you dont know the pwd command you SHOULDNT be using linux |
| 03:01.00 | hammerabi | it's also shell-dependent |
| 03:01.00 | hammerabi | antiPoP: #bash |
| 03:01.05 | Malagmyr | antiPoP: why not just use the output from "pwd" and cut off the unneeded parts in C, Java, the bash script or whatever it's your assignment to make? |
| 03:01.09 | antiPoP | I know pwd command |
| 03:01.23 | deadcat | antiPoP: what you trying to do? |
| 03:01.24 | antiPoP | but pwd etunrs absolute path |
| 03:01.32 | SerajewelKS | !kill me |
| 03:01.36 | antiPoP | get the relative path to my home dir |
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| 03:01.57 | Malagmyr | antiPoP: why not just use the output from "pwd" and cut off the unneeded parts in C, Java, the bash script or whatever it's your assignment to make? |
| 03:01.59 | SerajewelKS | antiPoP: you can't do that, because that makes no sense |
| 03:02.09 | beardy | antiPoP: Relative to what? And what Malagmyr said. |
| 03:02.09 | deadcat | echo ${HOME##*/} |
| 03:02.36 | deadcat | assuming bash here |
| 03:02.56 | gb | Silly question, is there an open source dictionary & hence debian package of a dictionary which doesn't rely on a net connection? |
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| 03:03.10 | deadcat | gb: dict |
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| 03:03.21 | hammerabi | gb: dictd and friends |
| 03:03.23 | beardy | gb: apt-cache search dict |
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| 03:03.35 | deadcat | gb: i install the daemon on my machines (= |
| 03:03.37 | hammerabi | searching for dict is somewhat silly and long-winded |
| 03:03.45 | gb | thought that was just a front end too anonline dict,but I will check it out thanks |
| 03:03.45 | mohadib | what is /etc/passwd- for? |
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| 03:03.56 | mohadib | note *-* |
| 03:04.01 | antiPoP | beardy, relative to my home dir |
| 03:04.05 | deadcat | mohadib: backup? |
| 03:04.19 | mohadib | deadcat: know what makes it? |
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| 03:04.33 | deadcat | mohadib: i am guessing the system |
| 03:04.36 | mohadib | like , what script.. or dameon? |
| 03:04.42 | mohadib | the system? |
| 03:04.50 | mohadib | thats pretty vague |
| 03:04.52 | mohadib | but ok |
| 03:04.53 | deadcat | (= |
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| 03:05.12 | deadcat | mohadib: what i am saying is i have no clue |
| 03:05.24 | mohadib | deadcat: me too :p |
| 03:05.58 | SerajewelKS | antiPoP: pwd | pwd | sed "s#$HOME/##" |
| 03:05.58 | SerajewelKS | antiPoP: err |
| 03:06.00 | SerajewelKS | antiPoP: pwd | sed "s#$HOME/##" |
| 03:06.10 | hammerabi | hah |
| 03:06.37 | SerajewelKS | antiPoP: and it's not my fault if your prof inexplicably knows that you cheated |
| 03:06.50 | hammerabi | that's not a very shelly answer |
| 03:06.50 | antiPoP | don't worry |
| 03:06.53 | hammerabi | deadcat was closer |
| 03:06.54 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: it didnt do shit |
| 03:06.57 | antiPoP | and thank you ver much :) |
| 03:07.12 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: it does what antiPoP wants it to do |
| 03:07.22 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: cd to a subdir of ~ and try it |
| 03:07.25 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: which is nothing? haha |
| 03:07.35 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: fix your installation of sed |
| 03:07.37 | hammerabi | SerajewelKS: you want to anchor that regexp, tho |
| 03:07.41 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: ah |
| 03:07.51 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: true |
| 03:07.57 | SerajewelKS | antiPoP: pwd | sed "s#^$HOME/##" |
| 03:08.12 | deadcat | it was sugguested basename `pwd` |
| 03:08.18 | deadcat | read log |
| 03:08.32 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: except that doesn't work if you're not exactly 1 level below ~ |
| 03:08.42 | antiPoP | i know... |
| 03:08.54 | deadcat | maybe i dont know his question |
| 03:09.07 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: he wants a path to the current wd relative to ~ |
| 03:09.13 | hammerabi | deadcat: the question was more or less "how do I remove $HOME from the beginning of a path?" |
| 03:09.27 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: yup, which sed can do quite well =) |
| 03:09.37 | deadcat | hammerabi: still dont get his q |
| 03:09.48 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: of course, because it's a stupid and moronic thing to do |
| 03:09.59 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: but apparently his professor sees some use for it |
| 03:10.11 | sky0 | I have a favour to ask: someone behind a masquerading NAT with "netcat" installed? Two commands would help me verify something. |
| 03:10.13 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: moron teaching moron? (= |
| 03:10.29 | hammerabi | sky0: if you'd asked it straight up, you could have your answer now |
| 03:10.52 | sky0 | hammerabi: so, are you willing to help? |
| 03:10.53 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: essentially |
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| 03:11.09 | SerajewelKS | !tell sky0 about ask |
| 03:11.30 | hammerabi | sky0: are you willing to ask? |
| 03:11.39 | deadcat | hammerabi: ah.. so /home/user/blah/blah2 will be blah/blah2 output? therefor basename `pwd` wont work? |
| 03:11.48 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: correct |
| 03:11.49 | deadcat | ah |
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| 03:11.50 | hammerabi | deadcat: exactly |
| 03:11.53 | deadcat | i see. |
| 03:12.01 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: like i said, it's stupid |
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| 03:12.02 | deadcat | damn just hardcode it int he script (= |
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| 03:12.44 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: the beauty of the sed one-liner is that it won't mangle the path if it's not in $HOME, so a 'cd' to it from $HOME will still work!!!11 |
| 03:13.01 | deadcat | ya |
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| 03:13.28 | nertoa | I want to install gnokii for my nokia phone, but it seems that it is only available in as a package which includes both X and console version. Is there any way to only install the console version? |
| 03:13.39 | deadcat | sometimes instructors tell students do the weirdest things. like useless in the real world |
| 03:14.11 | sky0 | hammerabi: in tech terms: I am trying to verify if it is possible to connect from A to B where both ends are behind a masquerading network; using TCP without root uid (no raw socket; basic berkley sockets only). Till this day I thought I was not possible, but I am no longer sure. Is that a better way of asking? |
| 03:14.12 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: it's a exercise of course. in case their future boss makes similarly inane requirements, which is very likely. |
| 03:14.19 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 03:14.43 | hammerabi | sky0: it is not possible |
| 03:14.48 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: BS |
| 03:14.58 | SerajewelKS | sky0: google TCP NAT traversal |
| 03:14.59 | deadcat | i've never heard of a boss ask to write a hello world program in my life |
| 03:15.10 | hammerabi | SerajewelKS: how do you get through the NAT on the other side? |
| 03:15.10 | valdyn | sky0: it needs a 3rd party to help initiate the connection |
| 03:15.18 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: google TCP NAT traversal |
| 03:15.18 | hammerabi | what valdyn said |
| 03:16.04 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: if you set SO_REUSEADDR you can do some magic that will allow the initial connection to be bounced off of a rendezvous host, but the data go directly between the two NATs |
| 03:16.45 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: similar in spirit to UDP NAT traversal. however, with TCP NAT traversal the application must cooperate. with UDP the application need not know anything is happening. |
| 03:16.52 | sky0 | valdyn: so it really works? I can verify "open" -> "nated" and "firewalled"-> "nated" (both work) but have no access to a second nated box. |
| 03:17.07 | valdyn | sky0: skype does this |
| 03:17.15 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: it does UDP NAT traversal |
| 03:17.18 | hammerabi | SerajewelKS: right, using an intermediary is cheating |
| 03:17.29 | hammerabi | that is cool that you only need to initiate through them, tho |
| 03:17.43 | sky0 | hammerabi: it is only cheating, if the intermediate proxies; this out-of-band traffic |
| 03:17.43 | SerajewelKS | sky0: google TCP NAT traversal |
| 03:17.51 | sky0 | SerajewelKS: I know |
| 03:18.02 | SerajewelKS | sky0: if you don't mind using OpenVPN on both ends, UDP is also possible |
| 03:18.32 | SerajewelKS | sky0: i've used this at my university to establish a VPN with my brother's computer at another university, set up routing rules, and have a university vs university halo match |
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| 03:18.52 | SerajewelKS | sky0: it worked quite well, surprisingly |
| 03:19.16 | sky0 | I did _not_ ask about UDP, OpenVPN or Skype; twice! |
| 03:19.37 | SerajewelKS | sky0: forgive me for offering suggestions |
| 03:20.05 | hammerabi | using SO_REUSEADDR still sounds like you need access to raw sockets to begin with |
| 03:20.29 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: you can set that from berkely sockets, the same way you can set SO_TIMEOUT |
| 03:20.47 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: it's not a priveleged operation |
| 03:21.12 | hammerabi | SerajewelKS: user processess can really change the destination address of a tcp socket? |
| 03:21.29 | sky0 | SerajewelKS: np; mainly because I /ignore dpkg |
| 03:21.43 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: no. go google it. |
| 03:22.07 | SerajewelKS | sky0: you might want to unignore him if you want to survive in this channel... |
| 03:22.39 | hammerabi | god I love python |
| 03:22.40 | sky0 | SerajewelKS: thanks, but I prefer my sanity |
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| 03:25.57 | SerajewelKS | sky0: and i prefer that when i have dpkg tell you something important, you listen |
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| 03:26.11 | nyk2005 | what file does specify the default runlevel in debian? |
| 03:26.43 | kanzure | ls -l says that I have "total 60" in a directory that has only 15 files. what could be up? |
| 03:26.57 | SerajewelKS | sky0: and if you're looking for some way for Random Program X to connect to host B behind a different NAT than you, TCP NAT traversal will likely not work |
| 03:27.08 | hammerabi | nyk2005: /etc/inittab, but you will never want to change it |
| 03:27.12 | hammerabi | kanzure: ls -la |
| 03:27.14 | SerajewelKS | sky0: unless you fancy writing a tunnel server for it |
| 03:27.52 | kanzure | hammerabi: that increases the count, heh, still only 15 |
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| 03:28.21 | SerajewelKS | sky0: and a tunnel server will do about as good a job as OpenVPN |
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| 03:29.18 | FuzzplugJones | assuming i have a running apache2 and i've just installed libapache2-modperl2, what else do i have to do to get apache to execute .pl files? |
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| 03:32.42 | Faust | hey guys |
| 03:33.01 | vasundhar | Hey Faust |
| 03:33.59 | Faust | For those that recall my eariler problen with sarge's failure to copy a file and it failing an integrety check, despite md5 checking out ... the testing business card d-i did almost perfect. |
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| 03:35.17 | FuzzplugJones | assuming i have a running apache2 and i've just installed libapache2-modperl2, what else do i have to do to get apache to execute .pl files? |
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| 03:35.41 | SerajewelKS | FuzzplugJones: set the proper content handlers |
| 03:35.46 | SerajewelKS | FuzzplugJones: RTFM |
| 03:35.58 | FuzzplugJones | which manual? i've been googling for an hour with no joy |
| 03:36.10 | Faust | it also failed in the "Base system Configure" downloading some last file under the Install Software section. But it might be because another computer was using bandwidth up. |
| 03:36.15 | SerajewelKS | FuzzplugJones: how about the apache manual: httpd.apache.org |
| 03:36.44 | hammerabi | that's not very useful |
| 03:36.54 | SerajewelKS | FuzzplugJones: and the mod_perl manual should have what handler it expects .pl files to be associated with |
| 03:37.03 | hammerabi | FuzzplugJones: read your apache err log for a start and see if mod_perl is loaded |
| 03:37.32 | SerajewelKS | hammerabi: this is clearly a case of RTFM. not even google, just the fucking manual for mod_perl. it can't be that hard. |
| 03:37.41 | hammerabi | ... |
| 03:37.52 | hammerabi | except Debian has a slightly arcane Apache2 setup |
| 03:38.01 | hammerabi | and it should presumably work out of the box for common extensions |
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| 03:39.05 | SerajewelKS | http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/intro/start_fast.html#Configuration |
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| 03:40.11 | absolutzero | cool i figured out the vncserver, default display manager |
| 03:40.20 | absolutzero | it loads via xsession |
| 03:40.28 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: x11vnc? |
| 03:40.36 | nyk2005 | cool |
| 03:40.40 | absolutzero | I think so |
| 03:40.47 | absolutzero | I have it running KDE now |
| 03:41.02 | absolutzero | man I hate gnome |
| 03:41.45 | absolutzero | Though props to the guys who programmed it, they put alot of hours into it, I just kinda like KDE3 better |
| 03:41.55 | EdgEy | hmm |
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| 03:42.06 | EdgEy | how do i install packages that have been "kept back" |
| 03:42.13 | Corun | You guys seen this: http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal |
| 03:42.29 | EdgEy | nvm me = tard |
| 03:43.13 | absolutzero | in order to use x11vnc, to start it in an ssh or telnet session with a valid username in pssword, how many Xsessions can run at once? |
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| 03:43.33 | hammerabi | you seem to be missing the point of X |
| 03:43.43 | FuzzplugJones | SerajewelKS, the docs at perl.apache.org say that I should reference a mod_perl.conf in my httpd.conf but mod_perl.conf doesn't exists. |
| 03:43.56 | absolutzero | ? |
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| 03:44.07 | abrotman | Corun: looks like utter bullshit... havea nice day |
| 03:44.07 | hammerabi | FuzzplugJones: /usr/share/doc/whateva/ |
| 03:44.39 | absolutzero | The pint of X is to provide a graphical user platform |
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| 03:45.44 | absolutzero | I am just curious on how to limit the number of runing Xsessions |
| 03:45.59 | absolutzero | the poor puter only has a 300mhz processor |
| 03:46.05 | FuzzplugJones | hammerabi, there are no docs for perl or mod_perl in /usr/share/doc. if you don't know, that's fine, if you're just going to tell me RTFM like I'm a Windows user I can go over to efnet |
| 03:46.15 | hammerabi | what the fuck |
| 03:46.29 | hammerabi | no, I was telling you to go read /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-perl/README.Debian |
| 03:46.47 | absolutzero | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:47.14 | absolutzero | lol Fuzz, this is #Debian people here are not like that |
| 03:47.22 | FuzzplugJones | absolutzero, so far they are :) |
| 03:47.44 | hammerabi | oh, go away, I told of SerajewelKS for doing that to you |
| 03:47.49 | FuzzplugJones | hammerabi, there's just a README file in that dir that tells me that the docs are at perl.apache.org... so, same question |
| 03:47.51 | hammerabi | whinging about help is pathetic |
| 03:48.12 | hammerabi | 14:36 < hammerabi> FuzzplugJones: read your apache err log for a start and see if mod_perl is loaded |
| 03:48.19 | FuzzplugJones | hammerabi, i didn't see that |
| 03:48.20 | absolutzero | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.49 | abrotman | Today's Test: What is hammerabi's tard threshold? |
| 03:48.56 | absolutzero | what docs are you looking for again? |
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| 03:49.15 | absolutzero | boy people are not usually mean in here |
| 03:49.32 | abrotman | no .. it's just you |
| 03:49.33 | absolutzero | Debian users are supposed to be a step higher than the rest |
| 03:49.49 | absolutzero | who me? |
| 03:49.51 | abrotman | absolutzero: if you have a 300Mhz .. why are you EVER running more than one X ? |
| 03:50.07 | FuzzplugJones | absolutzero, i have a running apache2 server, i just did apt-get libapache2-modperl2 and there seems to be no good information on how to make apache see mod_perl |
| 03:50.19 | abrotman | absolutzero: DO NOT msg me |
| 03:50.24 | tictac | lol |
| 03:50.33 | absolutzero | you messaged me first dude |
| 03:50.37 | FuzzplugJones | the docs at perl.apache.org say i have to tell apache about a mod_perl.conf but it doesn't exist anywhere |
| 03:50.39 | abrotman | the fuck i did .. idiot |
| 03:50.46 | abrotman | fucking moron |
| 03:51.00 | absolutzero | yeah,,, you did |
| 03:51.04 | abrotman | liar |
| 03:51.11 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: highlighting is not /msging |
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| 03:51.27 | hammerabi | FuzzplugJones: and a2enmod? |
| 03:51.31 | absolutzero | still, he is being an ass |
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| 03:51.45 | FuzzplugJones | hammerabi, i don't follow |
| 03:51.50 | absolutzero | what the fuxor is wrong with this crew? |
| 03:51.57 | abrotman | you're being stupid .. if you don't want more than one X running .. don't fucking do it .. just don't .. |
| 03:52.03 | hammerabi | absolutzero: please stop it |
| 03:52.14 | hammerabi | abrotman: he/she appears to be trying to run some for-profit shell server |
| 03:52.26 | absolutzero | jesus man, I asked a question, there is a way to limit the number of xessions yes or no? |
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| 03:52.33 | TBBle | Hmm. I seem to be bouncing back and forth trying to try out the r300 driver on powerpc... The r300 site refers me to DRM/DRI/X.org CVS... I've got the 2.6.14 DRM module, just built the mesa 6.2 .deb from source (no idea why it's not being autobuilt on ppc, it maybefailed in October)... Do I also need to locally build X.org 6.9 from experimental? Or am I missing something else? |
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| 03:52.40 | absolutzero | no Hammer I am not |
| 03:52.41 | SerajewelKS | absolutzero: yes. uninstall X. |
| 03:52.41 | hammerabi | absolutzero: no, your question is missing too many details |
| 03:52.44 | abrotman | he's running KDE on a 300Mhz and wants to know how to limit the number of X sessions ... clearly .. not right in the head |
| 03:52.50 | absolutzero | it will be a FREE shell server |
| 03:52.59 | hammerabi | absolutzero: you appear to mean "How can I limit the number of VNC sessions people can run at once?" |
| 03:53.14 | absolutzero | thank you Hammer, xactly what I meant |
| 03:53.30 | abrotman | and the vnc conf file has no option for this ? |
| 03:53.35 | hammerabi | absolutzero: so say that, instead of getting annoyed when people don't answer your unintelligable questions |
| 03:53.47 | hammerabi | FuzzplugJones: did you use that command to enable the module or not? |
| 03:54.00 | FuzzplugJones | hammerabi, no i didn't because i wasn't aware i had to. |
| 03:54.06 | hammerabi | ok then |
| 03:54.06 | absolutzero | hammerabi: I wasn;t annoyed because someone didn't answer my qustion, I was annoyed because you were being an ass about the message |
| 03:54.16 | abrotman | absolutzero: stop whining |
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| 03:54.23 | fred | HI. seems a busy place. Well I got p#ssed with windows and installed Debian last night on my laptop. trying to get the wireless card working but can't find a how-to simple enough for me. anyone would be able to help? |
| 03:54.24 | abrotman | absolutzero: go read the conf file for your vnc server .. |
| 03:54.35 | abrotman | fred: we need a chipset |
| 03:54.39 | FuzzplugJones | "This module is already enabled!" |
| 03:54.40 | hammerabi | fred: you need to at least mention your architecture and chipset |
| 03:54.53 | absolutzero | the best thing I can think of is set up a VNC group, and limit it that way |
| 03:54.58 | hammerabi | FuzzplugJones: and, you've presumably checked the apache error log by now and found if it is loaded or not? |
| 03:55.07 | absolutzero | hence make it excutable only by a limited number of users |
| 03:55.08 | FuzzplugJones | it's not giving me any error messages |
| 03:55.21 | hammerabi | FuzzplugJones: that's not what I'm asking about |
| 03:55.21 | fred | laptop is IBM X30 and package to find and install should be linux-wlan-ng |
| 03:55.25 | hammerabi | FuzzplugJones: read the startup messages |
| 03:55.35 | fred | sorry i type slow |
| 03:55.43 | abrotman | fred: apt-cache search wlan ? |
| 03:55.44 | absolutzero | I alos have three boxes running debian, all will be public systems, once I am satisfied it is secure |
| 03:55.59 | fred | what is apt-cache? |
| 03:56.04 | abrotman | it's a program |
| 03:56.05 | hammerabi | fred: man apt-cache |
| 03:56.16 | hammerabi | fred: it's a program that shows various things from apt's package database |
| 03:56.20 | FuzzplugJones | hammerabi, this is the most recent thing in error.log: "[Wed Dec 28 22:48:49 2005] [notice] Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-16 mod_perl/1.999.21 Perl/v5.8.4 configured -- resuming normal operations" |
| 03:56.23 | abrotman | dpkg's database! |
| 03:56.26 | absolutzero | it is a utility that allows you to manage your apt-get packages, cache on your hard-drive |
| 03:56.29 | hammerabi | FuzzplugJones: so mod perl is loaded |
| 03:56.36 | FuzzplugJones | yup |
| 03:56.44 | abrotman | absolutzero: NO |
| 03:56.58 | abrotman | absolutzero: show me in the man page where apt-cache lets you manage your apt cache |
| 03:57.15 | fred | i read some success pages from guys who made it...just can't find the package for debian (which is supposed to be on debian unstable) and instruction for installing in fact |
| 03:57.33 | absolutzero | apt-cache search string |
| 03:57.33 | abrotman | tard |
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| 03:57.33 | abrotman | fred: apt-cache search wlan |
| 03:57.45 | fred | ok |
| 03:58.12 | absolutzero | you can alos get info on installed packages using dpkg -L <package> |
| 03:58.38 | petemc | fred: it may be useful to google for ibm x30 wireless debian or some such, you'll probably find numerous guides |
| 03:58.47 | fred | i did so petemc |
| 03:58.49 | absolutzero | your apt cache is /var/cache/apt/archives so you know |
| 03:58.50 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 03:58.50 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 03:58.58 | fred | i found a lot of info... |
| 03:59.02 | abrotman | absolutzero: you're really not helping .. please be quiet |
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| 03:59.12 | beginer | Any idea what is causing the "read_socket_data: recv failure for 4. Error = Connection reset by peer" error in samba logs? |
| 03:59.27 | fred | also my internet connection is really slow.. i feel site don't always fully load :# |
| 03:59.36 | absolutzero | I'll be back at my normal time when the asses aren't here, jesus. |
| 03:59.42 | abrotman | thank you |
| 03:59.50 | absolutzero | Fuxor off |
| 03:59.52 | fred | ok found the package now :) |
| 04:00.02 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 04:00.09 | abrotman | ah .. my favorite! :) |
| 04:00.13 | fred | page loaded on debian.org/unstable |
| 04:00.17 | fred | thanks... |
| 04:00.29 | fred | will see what I got. maybe talk to you later. thank you |
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| 04:02.13 | DragonDav | i just installed mysql and have it listening on 0.0.0.0 added a user but i can't connect to it. |
| 04:02.29 | abrotman | is it running ? |
| 04:02.30 | DragonDav | well i can connect but user is not accepted |
| 04:02.30 | sfullenwider | Anybody know of any apps for ridiculously complicated graph making? |
| 04:02.47 | abrotman | sfullenwider: that was kind of vague :) |
| 04:03.01 | SerajewelKS | sfullenwider: gnuplot? |
| 04:03.18 | TBBle | DragonDav: Does it say why the user's not accepted? |
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| 04:03.43 | DragonDav | TBBle: no... just Access denied for user 'dragon'@'dazoe.net' (using password: YES) |
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| 04:04.06 | sfullenwider | well I can't get openoffice calc to even save to a graphics file, and furthermore I want to change the baseline of the graph. 100 is normal and it's making it unnessisarly large by starting at 0 |
| 04:04.10 | abrotman | !wb asg |
| 04:04.10 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! asg has returned! |
| 04:04.41 | asg | abrotman: ;) |
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| 04:05.24 | sky0 | DragonDav: not sure, but maybe you need to "mysqladmin flush-privileges" |
| 04:05.46 | Faust | I assume that reruning the "Bae System Configuration" utility does not install duplicates but rewrites over previous installed packages (ie., software). |
| 04:06.31 | TBBle | DragonDav: Uh, where'd those quotes come from? |
| 04:06.51 | TBBle | DragonDav: And did you remember to grant to dragon@dazoe.net rather than just dragon? |
| 04:07.09 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 04:07.10 | dpkg | qotd153 is, like, <asg> abrotman: yes, I'm waiting for the german scat collection myself |
| 04:07.15 | abrotman | that was so .. timely |
| 04:07.20 | asg | haha |
| 04:07.22 | DragonDav | TBBle: i granted dragon@'%' |
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| 04:08.45 | DragonDav | is there a gloable deny from all but local host somewhere? |
| 04:10.26 | abrotman | DragonDav: maybe query in #mysql |
| 04:10.42 | DragonDav | i got it |
| 04:10.44 | TBBle | DragonDav: You may want to check how that's interacting with higher-priority wildcard rules... I'd guess that it's picking the rule user entry. Try adding that user directly. |
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| 04:12.44 | deadcat | i have a server here. p4 2.4gig. apt-get update takes 82%^. what up? |
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| 04:13.08 | abrotman | hit ctrl-c .. run it again .. or try another mirror |
| 04:14.06 | deadcat | Mem: 514632K total, 455864K used, 58768K free, 13796K buffers what up. only samba and dns running on the server |
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| 04:14.25 | deadcat | apt-get is using 82% during update |
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| 04:18.07 | cheal | deadcat: 82% of what? is that top's output? |
| 04:18.17 | fred | hi again. what should I do with the *.deb file? |
| 04:18.25 | deadcat | cheal: ya |
| 04:19.20 | cheal | deadcat: depending on what you're talking about, free(1) is probably more useful |
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| 04:19.32 | sinizzl | hi |
| 04:19.41 | deadcat | Mem: 502 445 57 0 13 363 |
| 04:19.44 | sinizzl | how can i burn a cd on debian stable ? |
| 04:19.50 | deadcat | cheal: its not running much. |
| 04:20.05 | asg | !free memory |
| 04:20.05 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 04:20.12 | sinizzl | !write cd |
| 04:20.23 | cheal | sinizzl: with cdrtools and possibly a front-end such as k3b if kdelibs are installed |
| 04:20.40 | asg | sinizzl: /msg dpkg cdrecord |
| 04:20.55 | sinizzl | i cannot access my device |
| 04:21.09 | sinizzl | cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA tells me my cdwriter is device 1,1,0 |
| 04:21.19 | TBBle | fred: What do you want to do with it? |
| 04:21.21 | EdgEy | how can i get java applets running in firefox? |
| 04:21.46 | EdgEy | at the moment they don't appear at all and i get no errors, sun-j2re1.5 is installed |
| 04:21.55 | asg | EdgEy: /msg dpkg firefox java |
| 04:21.57 | fred | install it. It's supposed to be my wireless card drivers |
| 04:22.02 | sinizzl | cdrecord tells me "Cannot open SCSI driver" |
| 04:22.11 | TBBle | fred: dpkg -i is the place to start. |
| 04:22.20 | fred | thanks |
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| 04:22.26 | cheal | EdgEy: how did you install it? |
| 04:22.32 | asg | sinizzl: does it tell you this if you use cdrecord dev=ATA:1,1,0 ...? |
| 04:22.34 | EdgEy | apt-get |
| 04:22.50 | EdgEy | i think it's from a non-official source i added :/ |
| 04:22.51 | sinizzl | no it doesn't |
| 04:23.03 | cheal | EdgEy: you mean with java-package? |
| 04:23.09 | cheal | EdgEy: ah |
| 04:23.17 | cheal | EdgEy: try using stew's factoid |
| 04:23.22 | EdgEy | sun-j2re1.5 - Java(TM) 2 RE, Standard Edition, Sun Microsystems(TM) |
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| 04:25.40 | xsdg | sinizzl: what about s#ATA#ATAPI#? |
| 04:26.08 | fred | I have a dependency problem on libc6 since I use Debian stable and the drivers come from unstable. How do I update those files? |
| 04:26.24 | fred | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-wlan-ng: |
| 04:26.26 | fred | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.28 | fred | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.07 | asg | fred: unless you backport the package(s) to stable, you can't cleanly without going to unstable. |
| 04:27.33 | fred | so i would have to reinstall using unstable? |
| 04:27.42 | EdgEy | no, upgrade |
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| 04:28.07 | EdgEy | hmm |
| 04:28.08 | fred | ok. Thanks. I'll try that. How unstable is unstable? |
| 04:28.15 | EdgEy | cheal i did what dpkg says :( |
| 04:28.21 | fred | the name sounnd scary |
| 04:28.33 | xsdg | fred: if you have to ask, you should use testing instead of unstable |
| 04:28.38 | EdgEy | fred not very in my experience, but rarely something can majorly fuck up |
| 04:29.19 | EdgEy | ln -s /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 04:29.20 | fred | well I really got fed up from Windows_unstable.... would that be worse? |
| 04:29.28 | cheal | EdgEy: which release do you run? |
| 04:29.28 | fred | ;-) |
| 04:29.35 | EdgEy | cheal unstable :S |
| 04:29.44 | cheal | EdgEy: sorry, can't help you |
| 04:29.49 | EdgEy | die :) |
| 04:30.29 | xsdg | EdgEy: trying to get java working? |
| 04:30.40 | EdgEy | ... |
| 04:30.41 | EdgEy | ROFL |
| 04:30.43 | EdgEy | damn |
| 04:30.48 | EdgEy | i had enable java unchecked |
| 04:30.52 | xsdg | rofl |
| 04:30.53 | EdgEy | if that fixes it i'm a dumbass |
| 04:31.06 | EdgEy | ...i lose |
| 04:31.09 | EdgEy | heh |
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| 04:36.27 | SexyKen | Hey guys, what is the proper way to tar a file while maintaining it's permisions? |
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| 04:39.45 | fred | apt- |
| 04:39.52 | fred | oops.. sorry |
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| 04:52.51 | Trisomix | Yo :) |
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| 04:54.13 | Trisomix | !seen qett |
| 04:54.13 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'qett', Trisomix |
| 04:54.16 | Trisomix | !seen meka |
| 04:54.16 | dpkg | Trisomix: i haven't seen 'meka' |
| 04:54.18 | Trisomix | !seen meka* |
| 04:54.18 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'meka*', Trisomix |
| 04:54.21 | Trisomix | rah |
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| 04:55.34 | Trisomix | !seen kame |
| 04:55.34 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'kame', Trisomix |
| 04:55.38 | cheal | !tell Trisomix about msg the bot |
| 04:56.44 | Trisomix | dpkg is the bot ?? |
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| 04:58.11 | cheal | dpkg: what are you? |
| 04:58.11 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 04:58.45 | TwistedAtWork | Hi guys... had a question for you... I am currently on my work server and everything is running slow as shit. Memory usage is normal but when I run any process the CPU usage is rediculous... I cant figure out what's wrong... for example.. on this P4.. when I run TOP the process itself uses 15-25% of CPU... Any ideas? |
| 04:59.06 | hammerabi | is the cpu idle? |
| 04:59.19 | TwistedAtWork | dpkg -l as another examples takes like 20 seconds before it spits shit out |
| 04:59.19 | dpkg | No packages found matching as another examples takes like 20 seconds before it spits shit out |
| 04:59.40 | hammerabi | dpkg -l is more disk than cpu intensive |
| 04:59.40 | dpkg | No packages found matching is more disk than cpu intensive |
| 05:00.01 | TwistedAtWork | mostly yes... right now top is using 29% and kdeamon using like 2% |
| 05:00.26 | hammerabi | that's fine then |
| 05:00.36 | TwistedAtWork | no.. its not top... any process... something that is a LIGHT process uses rediculous amounts of CPU... and runs slow |
| 05:00.37 | hammerabi | look at dmesg and /proc/cpuinfo, the cpu might be being throttled |
| 05:01.30 | TwistedAtWork | the comman /proc/cpuinfo gives me permission denied |
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| 05:01.45 | TwistedAtWork | and I am loged in as root |
| 05:02.25 | hammerabi | uh |
| 05:02.34 | hammerabi | how about dmesg? |
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| 05:03.11 | TwistedAtWork | Just normal firewall messages.. |
| 05:03.21 | hammerabi | that sounds mighty might suspicious |
| 05:03.26 | hammerabi | what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 05:03.44 | TwistedAtWork | 2.4.20 |
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| 05:03.49 | TwistedAtWork | its a old install |
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| 05:04.08 | hammerabi | that has like 5 000 local root exploits |
| 05:04.11 | hammerabi | run chkrootkit |
| 05:04.16 | TwistedAtWork | already did |
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| 05:04.30 | TwistedAtWork | let me update it |
| 05:04.40 | debian_pwnz | im trying to compile a window decoration for kde, and configure tells me that libz is not found, i can't find a libz anywhere. any word? |
| 05:04.54 | ideafix | "regsvr32 /u shimgvw.dll" |
| 05:05.42 | BlackJudas | What's a good way to see if two directories have duplicate filenames? (ie... files inside of 'em are identical) |
| 05:05.44 | hammerabi | debian_pwnz: install build-essential and zlib1g-dev |
| 05:05.51 | hammerabi | BlackJudas: diff -R |
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| 05:05.58 | hammerabi | maybe -r |
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| 05:06.32 | debian_pwnz | ok got it, now it wants X includes. what package would that be |
| 05:06.44 | BlackJudas | hammerabi, thanks much |
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| 05:07.20 | hammerabi | debian_pwnz: can you imagine how long and boring this conversation is going to be? |
| 05:07.31 | tuv | the first channel in the mixer isn't the one controlling the volume, so gnome keyboard shortcuts for volume change aren't working. how can i work around that? |
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| 05:08.00 | hammerabi | debian_pwnz: sudo apt-get build-dep kdeartwork-theme-window |
| 05:08.18 | debian_pwnz | thank |
| 05:08.43 | debian_pwnz | Build-Depends dependency for kdeartwork cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package kdelibs4-dev can satisfy version requirements |
| 05:08.45 | debian_pwnz | doh |
| 05:09.00 | TwistedAtWork | you running unstable? |
| 05:09.04 | debian_pwnz | testing |
| 05:09.19 | hammerabi | haha |
| 05:09.23 | TwistedAtWork | apt-get update'd already? |
| 05:09.31 | debian_pwnz | indeed |
| 05:09.51 | TwistedAtWork | that's what you get for using kde. |
| 05:09.55 | TwistedAtWork | errr.... |
| 05:10.04 | debian_pwnz | just testing it out while xfce4.4 is being worked on |
| 05:10.13 | debian_pwnz | if it doesn't come out soon i'll go back to 4.2 |
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| 05:10.19 | TwistedAtWork | Aye... someone knows... just not me ;( |
| 05:10.27 | GregorR-L | Noooo, my custom-built kernel oopses :( |
| 05:10.35 | TwistedAtWork | theres no bugs listed for that package for testing? |
| 05:10.37 | GregorR-L | Is GCC4 + Linux 2.6.12 an unsafe combo? |
| 05:10.52 | hammerabi | gcc4 + linux is an unsafe combo, afaik |
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| 05:11.38 | ideafix | Geez |
| 05:12.55 | hammerabi | if you don't have magic kernel patches and /proc/cpuinfo is unavailable, I'd be taking that machine offline asap |
| 05:13.16 | TwistedAtWork | you think it's been rooted huh? |
| 05:14.02 | hammerabi | that would be what I'd assume until I could prove otherwise |
| 05:14.13 | ideafix | LOL |
| 05:14.16 | ideafix | "regsvr32 /u shimgvw.dll" |
| 05:14.37 | TwistedAtWork | But if that was the case then why the hell would the person just lag up the computer so no one can use it? |
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| 05:14.58 | hammerabi | ideafix: can you stop it? |
| 05:14.58 | ideafix | TwistedAtWork: are youa bot ? |
| 05:15.04 | hammerabi | TwistedAtWork: how do you know what they're doing? |
| 05:15.12 | hammerabi | TwistedAtWork: rootkits can hide process and cpu time from top |
| 05:15.18 | TwistedAtWork | ideafix: What? |
| 05:15.19 | Keegan_Witt | Hey, all I was curious, what are the success rates of upgrading from the previous version of debian to 3.1? |
| 05:15.44 | ideafix | do you play armyops ? |
| 05:15.49 | TwistedAtWork | Fuck ;P |
| 05:15.56 | TwistedAtWork | no . . . |
| 05:15.58 | cheal | Keegan_Witt: I doubt there's known information about that |
| 05:15.59 | hammerabi | Keegan_Witt: high |
| 05:16.06 | cheal | !woody->sarge |
| 05:16.43 | Keegan_Witt | no one here has tried? |
| 05:16.52 | cheal | Keegan_Witt: no, we all run potato |
| 05:16.52 | TwistedAtWork | Damn... becuase the firewall file on this thing is preety badass and almost no extra processes are running so thats why I dont want to believe that it's ben rooted ;( |
| 05:17.12 | Keegan_Witt | potato? is that the unstable version? |
| 05:17.18 | cheal | !potato |
| 05:17.18 | dpkg | potato is probably Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 05:17.19 | jbroome | that's OLD stable |
| 05:17.19 | GregorR-L | Heheheh |
| 05:17.27 | Keegan_Witt | ahhh |
| 05:17.28 | cheal | Keegan_Witt: I was being sarcastic |
| 05:17.44 | cheal | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 05:17.44 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 05:17.49 | Keegan_Witt | I heard most people like to run unstable on their machines, unless it is a server |
| 05:17.53 | GregorR-L | Hmm |
| 05:18.04 | GregorR-L | Idonno about that. Maybe testing. |
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| 05:18.41 | TwistedAtWork | How do I check to see what is running when it does to run process 2... becuase that is when it starts lagging... durring bootup it is fine till the SECOND it goes to to run process 2... then it SLOWS down like crazy... |
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| 05:19.07 | lofdev | if I'm gonna install apache(1.3)'s mod_rewrite, what's my package (that apt needs to grab)? |
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| 05:19.39 | Keegan_Witt | someone was saying that debian ISOs are hard to get (I don't agree, but they are large) but that is ok since updates are supported better than other linux distros |
| 05:19.52 | hammerabi | TwistedAtWork: how would a firewall help protect you? |
| 05:19.52 | hammerabi | TwistedAtWork: and the point of a rootkit is to hide itself and whatever the attacker is doing |
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| 05:20.10 | GregorR-L | Keegan_Witt: I've never thought of Debian as a CD-ish distro :P |
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| 05:20.43 | cheal | Keegan_Witt: they're not hard to get, just not easy |
| 05:21.01 | Keegan_Witt | GregorR-L, wat do u mean? its more of a DVD distro? |
| 05:21.28 | Keegan_Witt | thats the route I went anyway |
| 05:21.29 | le_mackeux | Someone did succesfully install lm_sensor with a nforce2 chipset? |
| 05:21.34 | GregorR-L | Keegan_Witt: I always use it as a net-install distro - it has such a massive compendium of available software. |
| 05:22.06 | GregorR-L | Hell, it would probably take 3 DVDs ;) |
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| 05:22.19 | cheal | le_mackeux: yes |
| 05:22.22 | Keegan_Witt | I think it takes 2 |
| 05:22.34 | GregorR-L | It'll be 3 soon enough :) |
| 05:22.41 | Keegan_Witt | no doubt |
| 05:22.45 | TwistedAtWork | Ran the new updated version of chkrootkit and I got one error... eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/usr/sbin/dhcp[593]) |
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| 05:23.02 | TwistedAtWork | that's normal right? |
| 05:23.03 | Keegan_Witt | but how much space is the OS usually take? it is still less than windows? |
| 05:23.18 | GregorR-L | Keegan_Witt: Depends on what you mean by "the OS" |
| 05:23.18 | le_mackeux | cheal: you did? sis you followed a special howto? i had many problems and i can't fix it |
| 05:23.32 | cheal | le_mackeux: no |
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| 05:23.50 | hammerabi | TwistedAtWork: depends if you think it should be running or not |
| 05:23.58 | GregorR-L | Keegan_Witt: Windows with no software vs Debian with, say, base + X11 + KDE, Debian may be bigger, but I don't know. |
| 05:23.59 | TwistedAtWork | dhcp? yeah |
| 05:24.25 | le_mackeux | cheal: is there something you put into your kernel other then HardwareBus: nvidia |
| 05:24.35 | stochastic | I recently switched a pci card to add usb to my comp and now my pci soundcard won't work, I'm a newbie and don't know where to begin |
| 05:24.42 | cheal | le_mackeux: what's HardwareBus: nvidia? |
| 05:24.43 | Keegan_Witt | GregorR-L, really? I would not have thought that |
| 05:24.51 | hammerabi | Keegan_Witt: depends entirely on how much you install. from 80MB up to 5GB. |
| 05:24.57 | hammerabi | or higher, I suppose |
| 05:25.05 | le_mackeux | cheal: into the kernel, what did you added to have your lm_sensor working? |
| 05:25.05 | hammerabi | stochastic: does it work if you remove it? |
| 05:25.23 | cheal | hammerabi: Debian doesn't fit in 80MB |
| 05:25.31 | Paivakil | lofdev: apache-common |
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| 05:25.41 | cheal | le_mackeux: I use stock kernels |
| 05:25.44 | stochastic | hammerabi I haven't tried that yet |
| 05:25.50 | hammerabi | cheal: woody base was 80MB |
| 05:26.00 | cheal | hammerabi: well it's sarge now anyway |
| 05:26.05 | le_mackeux | cheal: and then emerge lm_sensor and then sensor-detect....? |
| 05:26.19 | GregorR-L | Keegan_Witt: Well, KDE is large but also feature-rich - anyway, Debian is a repository of ton sof software, where as Windows is a base UI and some configuration stuff that all sucks :) |
| 05:26.21 | cheal | le_mackeux: emerge lm_sensor? |
| 05:26.32 | lofdev | Paivakil: thanks. I was just gonna check that.... |
| 05:26.48 | le_mackeux | cheal: eee you know what is lm_sensor? |
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| 05:27.06 | cheal | le_mackeux: I know what's lm_sensors/lm-sensors |
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| 05:27.15 | lofdev | Paivakil: i've had trouble getting it to work, and thought I might have not installed it... |
| 05:27.24 | le_mackeux | cheal: the hardware sensor! |
| 05:27.29 | Keegan_Witt | GregorR-L, it might be a little better if they included an easy way to configure the registry. |
| 05:28.03 | le_mackeux | cheal: so how did you install the sensor? |
| 05:28.06 | Keegan_Witt | at least when you are editing .conf files in linux, it is in English not hex! :) |
| 05:28.17 | le_mackeux | cheal: the software* |
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| 05:29.17 | cheal | le_mackeux: with APT, astonishingly |
| 05:29.54 | le_mackeux | cheal: shoot, i joined the debian channel, not the gentoo one, lol |
| 05:29.56 | le_mackeux | my bad |
| 05:30.09 | lofdev | thanks all |
| 05:30.19 | cheal | le_mackeux: indeed |
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| 05:33.09 | r00b1n | help :( ? |
| 05:34.52 | hammerabi | perhaps you should ask a question then? |
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| 05:40.29 | marccd | is there a way (or app that can monitor my system) that I can monitor many logs at the same time (combined or not) in my command line? |
| 05:40.44 | hammerabi | tail can interleave multiple logs, I think |
| 05:41.12 | hammerabi | yeah, but in a slightly annoying way |
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| 05:41.38 | marccd | do you know any good apps for monitoring logs in a server, or the server in general (I am working through ssh) |
| 05:42.01 | marccd | beside the UNIX ones, which I know perfectly, I am looking for an efficient, practical way of doing it |
| 05:42.23 | hammerabi | that's kind of a vague questoin |
| 05:42.51 | marccd | well I need a log monitoring application for the command line |
| 05:43.05 | hammerabi | right |
| 05:43.11 | hammerabi | but you've ruled out the "UNIX ones" |
| 05:43.53 | marccd | I am looking for an interface to those.. |
| 05:44.01 | hammerabi | what do you mean by interface? |
| 05:44.08 | marccd | I mean, I could "watch", and "tail -f". do "for" loops, etc |
| 05:44.08 | hammerabi | e.g. swatch? |
| 05:44.17 | eeyore- | marccd: collect the syslogs on a remote machine ... run whatever you want :-) |
| 05:44.22 | marccd | im going to cheack fm |
| 05:46.30 | marccd | yeah something like http://freshmeat.net/projects/bofhlog/ or http://www.moongate.ro/products/PHPLog/#Stats |
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| 05:49.19 | kspath | isnt there a multitail tool can not member so long ago |
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| 05:52.28 | gb | multitail - view multiple logfiles windowed on console |
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| 05:53.08 | Paivakil | marccd: awstats, log-analysis, logwatch, modlogan ... ???? |
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| 05:58.05 | debian_pwnz | i was running testing, checking it out, i wanna go to stable, i modified sources.list, updated and dist-upgraded but it said everything is already upto date, shouldin't it get the sarge packages and replace the etch packages? |
| 05:58.21 | debian_pwnz | do i need to do something else? |
| 05:58.34 | gravity | debian_pwnz: Nope. Downgrades aren't supported |
| 05:58.43 | debian_pwnz | awe fuck |
| 05:58.45 | gravity | debian_pwnz: Your best option if you want to go back is to reinstall |
| 05:58.45 | debian_pwnz | oh well |
| 05:58.49 | debian_pwnz | guess i'll reinstall |
| 05:58.55 | debian_pwnz | shouldn't take more than an hour |
| 05:58.56 | Gnea | so in my ongoing attempts to get the scanning portion of this HP PSC 1315 to work again (using sid), instead of using ptal (which fails these days) i'm trying hplip, which works great in the printing department (it's an official HP release and conforms to debian's licensing scheme) when xsane attempts to scan it comes back with: Failed to open device `hpaio:/usb/psc_1310_series?serial=CN54VB16D0O2': Error during device I/O. am I the only one here who's used this h |
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| 06:00.38 | TwistedAtWork | What's the command to run memtest86? |
| 06:01.51 | Gnea | what happens if you type mem<tab> ? |
| 06:01.55 | hammerabi | shutdown -r now |
| 06:02.02 | TwistedAtWork | nothing ;( |
| 06:02.12 | Gnea | as root? |
| 06:02.15 | deadcat | TwistedAtWork: yoyoyo |
| 06:02.16 | hammerabi | it's not a command |
| 06:02.17 | deadcat | just got online |
| 06:02.26 | hammerabi | it's something you boot into |
| 06:02.35 | TwistedAtWork | yo yo |
| 06:02.56 | TwistedAtWork | theres no memory testing program that I can use without booting into it? |
| 06:03.17 | Gnea | hammerabi: actually, there is a userspace program |
| 06:03.19 | deadcat | TwistedAtWork: memtest86 or memtester |
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| 06:03.27 | hammerabi | Gnea: not memtest86 |
| 06:03.31 | Gnea | TwistedAtWork: you should install it first |
| 06:03.32 | hammerabi | TwistedAtWork: not a useful one |
| 06:03.40 | levander | Have arstechnica's forums just been down all night? |
| 06:03.48 | Gnea | hammerabi: oh, right, i'm thinking sysutils |
| 06:03.55 | TwistedAtWork | Cal... I dont think it's the ram since freaking it boots up to init 2 at normal speed and then slows down ;( |
| 06:04.56 | TwistedAtWork | Gnea I already did ;P still no command line to get it to run. |
| 06:05.03 | rage | When my laptop starts up, it runs dhcpd, is there a way to make it run in the background so it doesnt hold up the start process? its particularly annoying when I'm not on a network and it just sits there |
| 06:05.10 | rage | *sorry, dhclient |
| 06:05.12 | rage | not dhcpd |
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| 06:06.02 | TwistedAtWork | rage you can ctrl - c to stop it during bootups when your not connected to network |
| 06:06.11 | rage | Yup, I know |
| 06:06.15 | hammerabi | rage: don't run it on boot |
| 06:06.23 | rage | mmm, true |
| 06:06.23 | deadcat | TwistedAtWork: who built the box? |
| 06:06.27 | TwistedAtWork | Otherwise... dont auto eth0? |
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| 06:06.30 | hammerabi | use ifplugd to only bring the interface up when a cable is plugged in |
| 06:06.37 | TwistedAtWork | deadcat Johnathan |
| 06:06.40 | deadcat | doh |
| 06:06.46 | TwistedAtWork | aye |
| 06:07.04 | Gnea | TwistedAtWork: take a look at /usr/share/doc/memtest86/ |
| 06:07.10 | kschulen | anyone have experience setting up a compex wl54g wirless pcmcia card in sarge? I have tried everything. lspci says it is there but i cant scan and the leds on the card are not lit up...any help would be great |
| 06:07.14 | rage | Well, its a wifi interface, so I'm not sure if ifplugd will work |
| 06:07.23 | TwistedAtWork | deadcat going to check the HD's... force a scan... init 1 for HD scans right? |
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| 06:08.30 | deadcat | TwistedAtWork: touch /forcefsck |
| 06:08.30 | hammerabi | just stop it coming up on boot then |
| 06:08.32 | deadcat | thenr eboot |
| 06:08.40 | hammerabi | kschulen: too vague, you need to find out the chipset |
| 06:09.02 | kschulen | hammer: it is a rt2500 |
| 06:09.18 | levander | TwistedAtWork: i think if you want fsck to repair, you're supposed to have the partition not mounted, so if repairing root partition, have to boot with rescue disk |
| 06:09.20 | hammerabi | ouch |
| 06:09.25 | hammerabi | is it too late to exchange it? |
| 06:09.41 | kschulen | yup already cracked it open |
| 06:10.05 | hammerabi | in future, you really should do research on this sort of thing |
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| 06:10.22 | kschulen | i did for like a week almost |
| 06:10.29 | hammerabi | rt2500-source - RT2500 wireless network drivers source |
| 06:10.35 | hammerabi | install that and follow the instructions |
| 06:10.51 | kschulen | where i get that from? |
| 06:10.59 | hammerabi | lspci is not a useful diagnostic tool, btw; all it says is "yes, this card is electrically on the pci bus" |
| 06:11.06 | hammerabi | from your local Debian archive |
| 06:11.18 | hammerabi | if you have no other network access, time to go find an ethernet card |
| 06:12.08 | cheal | hammerabi: I'd like to know what your "research on this sort of thing" found |
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| 06:12.47 | hammerabi | cheal: that rt-based cards tend to be annoying to get going |
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| 06:12.54 | kschulen | hammer: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page that site has the driver on it...i installed this but still i cannot scan and no lights |
| 06:12.57 | hammerabi | hammerabi: and don't have in-kernel drivers |
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| 06:13.20 | hammerabi | kschulen: you haven't provided enough detail about what you've done |
| 06:13.32 | hammerabi | kschulen: e.g. whether you loaded the driver or not, what happened if you did, what dmesg said, etc... |
| 06:13.51 | gb | hammerabi: lspci is usefulfor reading numbers out of the electronics that are physically long gone on a card :) |
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| 06:15.00 | gb | encoded: why you enslaving asians? |
| 06:15.26 | gravity | gb: Just robots that look Asian |
| 06:15.41 | encoded | they run on debian! |
| 06:15.45 | kschulen | hammer: yes i installed the driver and modprobed it....dmesg saysnothing other than ra0: no IPv6 routers present |
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| 06:16.10 | gb | ahh ok |
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| 06:16.12 | hammerabi | kschulen: what userland tools are yo usupposed to use with it? |
| 06:16.20 | hammerabi | wireless extensions? wlan-ng? |
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| 06:16.40 | kschulen | hammer: wireless extensions i to beilieve |
| 06:16.51 | gb | gravity: like french bread then because the bread aintmade outa frenchies |
| 06:16.58 | gravity | heh |
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| 06:17.10 | encoded | lol |
| 06:17.28 | jishin | i got /sbin/init: 432 cannot open dev/console: No such file error when boot from new kernel 2.4.27 |
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| 06:17.37 | jishin | any ideas about that |
| 06:17.56 | cheal | hammerabi: impressive. so don't use wireless? |
| 06:18.07 | gravity | jishin: Sounds like it's missing the module for your hard drive |
| 06:18.22 | gravity | Not that I have any idea what that module should be |
| 06:18.26 | hammerabi | cheal: uh, not at all |
| 06:18.36 | jishin | i used SATA, may be the 2.4.27 didn't support it yet |
| 06:18.36 | hammerabi | cheal: I'm quite happy with my ipw2100, which now has in-kernel drivers |
| 06:18.43 | hammerabi | cheal: and has been quite reliable |
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| 06:18.56 | hammerabi | cheal: prism is also in-kernel and people don't seem to have many problems with it |
| 06:18.58 | kschulen | hammer : when i unplug the card and plug it back in i get this msg.....PCI: Enabling device 0000:03:00.0 (0000 -> 0002) |
| 06:18.58 | kschulen | ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:03:00.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 169 |
| 06:18.58 | kschulen | rt2500 1.1.0 CVS 2005/07/10 http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com |
| 06:18.59 | kschulen | PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:03:00.0 to 64 |
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| 06:19.47 | hammerabi | cheal: I'm merely suggesting that if you're going to deliberately try to buy a pcmcia card to work with Debian, rt2500 is one of the more painful choices |
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| 06:21.26 | numist | I'm looking for a minimal, small footprint terminal emulator that supports tabbing. Like gnome-terminal, but sans menu and with smaller tabs. Any ideas? |
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| 06:21.48 | madradrone | anyone know why a new user would not be able to log in via kdm? |
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| 06:21.57 | hammerabi | xterm with fluxbox inside Xephyr is probably still lighter than gnome-terminal |
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| 06:22.19 | numist | xephyr? havent heard of it |
| 06:22.25 | hammerabi | Xnest |
| 06:22.34 | GregorR-L | numist: Think Xnest + bells and whistles :) |
| 06:22.35 | hammerabi | I'm not seriously suggesting that |
| 06:23.16 | numist | hammerabi: glad to hear it.. that doesnt seem lightweight at all :/ |
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| 06:23.52 | hammerabi | just don't bother and use a window manager that lets you easily tab things |
| 06:24.07 | hammerabi | that's far less hassle than finding some entirely new terminal emulator |
| 06:24.52 | nima | you can get rid of the gnome-terminal menu |
| 06:24.59 | numist | hammerabi: I'm using openbox, and not changing window managers, so lets forget that idea |
| 06:25.13 | numist | nima: I have, its what I'm using now |
| 06:25.45 | hammerabi | blah |
| 06:25.48 | numist | it seems to have some latent bugs, like ruining terminals that use ncurses (like irssi) more or less randomly |
| 06:26.06 | hammerabi | fixing openbox is probably even less trouble than using a new terminal |
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| 06:27.31 | numist | that implies that theres something wrong with it |
| 06:27.33 | numist | works for me |
| 06:27.41 | numist | I dont want tabbing as part of the wm |
| 06:28.11 | hammerabi | just as part of a tool designed to emulate terminals from the 70's? |
| 06:28.41 | numist | yep |
| 06:28.46 | numist | that and 3 gui apps |
| 06:28.50 | numist | thats all it has to do |
| 06:29.03 | eeyore- | i like konsole. used to like gnome-terminal, but console just works "better" for me |
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| 06:29.21 | eeyore- | little things like being able to re-order tab, for example |
| 06:29.23 | numist | konsole is a good app, I'll probably check it out. Unfortunately, gnome-terminal installed half of gnome along with it |
| 06:30.31 | eeyore- | and then it's coding issue. for some weird reason gnome-terminal glues the corners of the tabs to the sides of the window, resulting in huge tabs |
| 06:30.50 | eeyore- | oh yeah, it (gnome-terminal) also screws up on some font rendering ... |
| 06:31.12 | fred | Hi! I'm setting up my system, which as u know leads to set up one thing which leads to another and so on... well I am upgrading my system from stable to unstable and everytime i get the same error: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org unstable/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_unstable_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2... |
| 06:31.13 | fred | ...No such file or directory). Any idea how to fix that? |
| 06:31.51 | hammerabi | fred: unstable doesn't getsecurity updates |
| 06:32.04 | hammerabi | on security.d.o, anyway |
| 06:32.16 | fred | ok. so does this mean the update is complete? |
| 06:32.29 | hammerabi | no, it means you need to remove them fro myour sources.list |
| 06:32.34 | numist | eeyore-: YES IT DOES!! It's almost ruined terminus for me |
| 06:32.43 | fred | oh... |
| 06:32.52 | fred | ok thanks. I'll try that |
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| 06:34.08 | madradrone | anyone know what a new user could not run X? |
| 06:34.28 | madradrone | there is not error message |
| 06:34.32 | JW | madradrone: maybe new perms, maybe no PATH? |
| 06:34.42 | JW | I meant no perms. |
| 06:35.26 | madradrone | JW: only thing perm related i saw was group video which i added him to |
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| 06:36.25 | hammerabi | are you sure they can't run X? |
| 06:36.32 | hammerabi | as in "X&" doesn't work? |
| 06:36.41 | madradrone | hammerabi: yes. cannot run startx nor log in via kdm |
| 06:36.53 | hammerabi | ignore that |
| 06:36.56 | hammerabi | 17:36 < hammerabi> as in "X&" doesn't work? |
| 06:36.59 | madradrone | this is a brand new sid install |
| 06:37.00 | raden | how do you print screen in KDE ? |
| 06:37.04 | madradrone | will try X& |
| 06:37.41 | madradrone | X& worked |
| 06:39.15 | secher | Ok, my girlfriend is Hungarian. She just promised me the best bj of my life if I can get streaming hungarian television working on my laptop so she can watch Hungarian news in bed. I know very little about plugins, streaming, etc. I use the Net for a learning tool, not for fun, so I'm sort of lost. I have gxine, vlc, RealPlayer<shudder>, and mplayer and the mplayerplug-in for firefox installed. I think I need to get realplayer asso |
| 06:39.15 | secher | ciated with firefox, however, there's no plugin. what to do? |
| 06:39.21 | secher | whoops.. sorry. |
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| 06:39.54 | secher | for the length that is. |
| 06:40.04 | jm_ | there is a pluging |
| 06:40.14 | madradrone | ah dammit |
| 06:40.17 | jm_ | or extension in firefox terms |
| 06:40.43 | secher | jm_: there is? I'll have to look again.. |
| 06:41.07 | JW | secher: seems like a good place to start would be to find out what kind of stream the station is serving, |
| 06:41.08 | JW | . |
| 06:41.26 | jm_ | secher: membres.lycos.fr/sethnakht |
| 06:42.01 | stochastic | I got an RCA Lyra RD2115 mp3 player for xmas that connects through usb and I'm trying to get it to work (I have no experience with usb and linux) where do I mount it/drag mp3s/etc...? |
| 06:42.13 | madradrone | i didn't have ksmserver installed, so no "startkde" command... |
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| 06:42.31 | SerajewelKS | if i create /etc/dhclient-exit-hooks do i need to restart dhclient (ifdown;ifup) to have it run that script when my IP changes? |
| 06:42.46 | secher | JW: there's no extension, just a .php and an id number. I'd thought of that. I tried half a dozen ways to capture the stream, but there's no stream to capture w/o the plugin it seems. |
| 06:42.49 | hammerabi | stochastic: time for some reasearch to find out if it is usb-storage or not |
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| 06:43.45 | numist | eeyore-: actualy, the wide tabs arent bad, but theyre *tall* |
| 06:44.14 | fred | ok I am installing my wirelan adapter drivers now and I get depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/orinoco.o and a few others related error messages. Should I worry about it? |
| 06:44.37 | hammerabi | are you running that kernel? |
| 06:45.03 | hammerabi | stochastic: appears to be, so with gnome/kde, plug it in |
| 06:45.08 | fred | wireless sorry |
| 06:45.20 | stochastic | hammerabi, then what? |
| 06:45.30 | hammerabi | stochastic: then a window will pop up |
| 06:46.19 | stochastic | hammerabi no window popped up |
| 06:47.31 | hammerabi | awesome |
| 06:48.19 | stochastic | I couldn't find anything from a google search on this model are you sure you have the right model? |
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| 06:48.30 | stochastic | the RD2115 |
| 06:48.36 | hammerabi | nope |
| 06:48.37 | secher | Ok, at least I have something to work with. Firefox doesn't know the mms protocol. |
| 06:48.44 | hammerabi | it doesn't need to |
| 06:48.54 | hammerabi | secher: you really can't find the url in the page source? |
| 06:49.15 | secher | hammerabi: nope. want me to post the url? |
| 06:49.19 | hammerabi | yes |
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| 06:50.23 | rohan | hi all |
| 06:50.32 | rohan | whats the easiest way to install qt4 on deb ? |
| 06:51.18 | hammerabi | mentioning a version of Debian would be a good start |
| 06:51.21 | secher | Ok, jm_'s suggestion gave me additional info on the page.. it's an asx file. |
| 06:51.34 | rohan | ah, ok. debian etch. |
| 06:51.36 | secher | hammerabi ^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 06:51.53 | rohan | hammerabi: did you tell that to me ? |
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| 06:51.58 | secher | lemme try to take it from here... I can google that. |
| 06:52.06 | hammerabi | rohan: then download the source and compile it |
| 06:52.14 | rohan | hammerabi: no pkgs ? |
| 06:52.19 | rohan | not even on sid ? |
| 06:52.23 | hammerabi | rohan: you can check that as well as I can |
| 06:52.24 | aubergine | good morning |
| 06:52.50 | rohan | hammerabi: i am not really familiar with debian's meta-package naming scheme. |
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| 06:53.26 | nsdutch | What's up guys? |
| 06:53.38 | nsdutch | First time in a chan on my fucking brand new DEBIAN INSTALALAL LLL!11 |
| 06:53.38 | kspath | apt-cache search qt ? |
| 06:53.41 | nsdutch | x) |
| 06:54.15 | rohan | lol, ok |
| 06:54.22 | GregorR-L | nsdutch: OMG1337WTFROFLMAOOLOLOLOL THAT ROX)))))RZZZZZZZZZ |
| 06:54.35 | nsdutch | Hell yeah it does; came here with a question, though. |
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| 06:55.06 | aubergine | playing: "ZZ Top - ZZ Top - Beer Drinkers & Hell" [192kbps][44kHz][Stereo] |
| 06:55.11 | kspath | nsdutch: what was a statement |
| 06:55.16 | rohan | nsdutch: what did you use to install ? the base cd ? or GenieOS ? |
| 06:55.35 | teufel | k |
| 06:56.03 | nsdutch | I installed SuSE, asked somebody a question about configuring SaMBa... they told me if I was going to quit windows and go standalone Linux, to do SimplyMEPIS |
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| 06:56.22 | rohan | GregorR-L: genieos imo is the best to install debian. |
| 06:56.29 | agilman | j #orlug |
| 06:56.35 | Gnea | yeah, suse people are up there with the gnome crowd |
| 06:56.40 | nsdutch | because; I needed to get these files off the network that were on my old winxp machine before I could get into shit, and he said as I progressed and learnt... |
| 06:56.42 | GregorR-L | rohan: I'm seeing that. Nice to see somebody solved the biggest problem of Debian 8-D |
| 06:56.44 | Gnea | or down there |
| 06:56.45 | GregorR-L | IMHO |
| 06:56.46 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:56.46 | nsdutch | He'd show me some good debian shit. |
| 06:56.50 | rohan | GregorR-L: :) |
| 06:57.04 | Gnea | damnit, this hplip is pissing me off |
| 06:57.08 | nsdutch | So I decided to do SimplyMEPIS for now - currently loving it, though I came in here with a question. |
| 06:57.10 | GregorR-L | Wow, how did I never hear about that. |
| 06:57.10 | secher | WOOT!!!! #debian ROCKS! Thanks!!! |
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| 06:57.27 | Gnea | great, now help me fix my scanning problem, please |
| 06:57.45 | nsdutch | http://www.sscx.net/asss/ has a program that I'd very much like. It's going to be my first downloaded .tar - just need some guidance in doing so. |
| 06:58.01 | nsdutch | Simple: "do this then do that u noob" would be more than welcome - and greatly appreciated. |
| 06:58.04 | Gnea | it's an hp psc 1315 all-in-one - printing works just fine with hplip+cups and xsane finds the device but it's not scanning |
| 06:58.30 | Gnea | !tell nsdutch about newbie-guide |
| 06:58.38 | kspath | nsdutch: fetch, wget, pavuk, curl, lynx, links, ........ |
| 06:59.02 | Gnea | nsdutch: the tar command is good too - great manpage |
| 06:59.30 | nsdutch | Thanks. |
| 06:59.45 | nsdutch | dpkg seems to have me straightn'd out. Thanks. |
| 06:59.46 | kspath | nsdutch: likely it is tgz or tar.gz gunzip then use tar |
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| 06:59.56 | GregorR-L | rohan: Are there screenshots of GenieOS' installer somewhere? |
| 06:59.57 | Phated | Erh? tar -z? :) |
| 07:00.10 | Gnea | if it's a .tar it's a .tar |
| 07:00.28 | Phated | Eh, you can call it anything. :) But yeah, mostly. |
| 07:00.31 | kspath | crawl then walk |
| 07:00.35 | Gnea | hehe |
| 07:00.54 | Phated | Bah, he obviously knows how to read, that's done with. |
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| 07:06.26 | kspath | I can not get anyone to convert to linux they all love their Effing windows games machines </jealous rant> |
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| 07:06.39 | Gnea | how come i'm the only printing guru around here, wtf |
| 07:06.57 | kspath | print is dead? |
| 07:07.00 | Gnea | kspath: the trick is to show 'em it can be done |
| 07:07.09 | Gnea | naw, print works, it's scanning that's the problem |
| 07:07.54 | kspath | I was repeating the line of Ghost Busters Egan(sp?) tells the secretary "Print is dead." |
| 07:08.05 | kspath | refering to books/writing |
| 07:08.12 | Gnea | oh hehe |
| 07:08.13 | fooz | Egon |
| 07:08.15 | Gnea | good movie |
| 07:08.25 | eeyore- | maybe i should start naming my machines after obscure linguistics words instead of islands :-) |
| 07:08.27 | Gnea | sup fooz |
| 07:08.38 | eeyore- | that'd keep people from using them :-> |
| 07:08.43 | bbrazil | Gnea: I've got a 1215 here, 'scanimage' just worked once the printer was setup |
| 07:08.52 | fooz | does gnome desktop support dualhead (not xinerama)? |
| 07:08.53 | kspath | dipthong |
| 07:08.57 | Gnea | bbrazil: oh yeah? sarge or otherwise? |
| 07:08.59 | eeyore- | "hey, what's the name of that fast new opteron machine?" "onomatopoeia" |
| 07:09.05 | bbrazil | Gnea: http://www.linuxprinting.org/pipermail/hp-list/2004q4/006091.html |
| 07:09.26 | bbrazil | Gnea: I have scanned stuff since sarge went stable |
| 07:09.34 | Gnea | oh |
| 07:09.38 | Gnea | i used to use ptal |
| 07:09.47 | Gnea | then it stopped working - i'm trying hplip now |
| 07:10.02 | Gnea | it's the 'official' toolset that hp put out that supports it |
| 07:10.08 | Gnea | the ppd is even upgraded |
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| 07:10.14 | kspath | maybe try an Epson printer |
| 07:10.16 | kspath | ? |
| 07:10.19 | kspath | :-P |
| 07:10.53 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:11.13 | eeyore- | Gnea: that's not a bad suggestion :-) |
| 07:11.27 | Gnea | bbrazil: i'm gonna upgrade my kernel just for shits 'n grins and see what happens |
| 07:11.33 | Gnea | still on 2.6.12 |
| 07:11.40 | eeyore- | i print to the newer Photo printers fine, but then realized the damn ink cost more than gold, or nearly so |
| 07:11.44 | bbrazil | Gnea: 2.6.10 here |
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| 07:12.26 | Gnea | well i like how the hp tool actually tells me exactly how much ink is left in both cartridges, and even identifies the cartridge model numbers |
| 07:12.32 | kspath | << misses OLD dot matrix |
| 07:12.38 | Gnea | in text and graphical formats |
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| 07:13.32 | GregorR-L | << misses virtual terminals |
| 07:13.37 | GregorR-L | Err, real terminals |
| 07:13.39 | GregorR-L | Hah |
| 07:13.49 | kspath | buy one |
| 07:13.49 | GregorR-L | << misses teletype terminals |
| 07:13.58 | Gnea | sucks to be you huh |
| 07:14.02 | GregorR-L | I so want one. But I don't want to do all the interfacing. |
| 07:14.20 | Gnea | lazy |
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| 07:14.49 | Grant_ | Hey!! My debian server keep's hitting 100% HDD usage.. |
| 07:15.01 | Grant_ | Any idea's what it could possibly be? |
| 07:15.03 | kspath | imagine IRC via printer and std output |
| 07:15.11 | kspath | as |
| 07:15.20 | dotCOMmie | Grant_: perhaps your ram is full |
| 07:15.36 | Grant_ | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 07:15.36 | Grant_ | /dev/hda1 9187068 8878076 0 100% / |
| 07:15.42 | kspath | top and vmstat will tell you a lot |
| 07:15.46 | dotCOMmie | oh |
| 07:15.51 | Grant_ | :) |
| 07:16.08 | Gnea | Grant_: clean up your p2p files ;) |
| 07:16.09 | kspath | check /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages /var/mail ... |
| 07:16.20 | BlackJudas | How would one successfully get an external usb drive to be debian's root device? ... general question no? |
| 07:16.22 | Grant_ | LOL @ Gnea, i thought it was that and i did that but yah heh |
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| 07:16.47 | Grant_ | hwo do i check the size of a file or directory i forget the cmd |
| 07:16.54 | dotCOMmie | du |
| 07:16.59 | Grant_ | thats the one |
| 07:17.00 | Grant_ | 2 seconds |
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| 07:17.05 | Gnea | are up |
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| 07:17.33 | Grant_ | No there is another command which tells you in GB or MB |
| 07:17.39 | dotCOMmie | Grant_: du -h |
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| 07:18.24 | dotCOMmie | Grant_: BTW df -h is also little easier to read |
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| 07:20.07 | kspath | I always used -k but I guess that means I am not -human |
| 07:20.21 | dotCOMmie | is there an easy way to find out what files a package consists of |
| 07:21.09 | eeyore- | Grant_: find / -name "*.jpg" -o -name "*.mpeg" -o -name "*.avi" |
| 07:22.01 | kspath | lol |
| 07:22.13 | dotCOMmie | -n "*pr0n*" |
| 07:22.51 | Grant_ | LOL @ eeyore- |
| 07:23.11 | Grant_ | nah, i deleted all the that crape and it was like 80% free and nwo all the sudden its 100% |
| 07:23.15 | Grant_ | ok thats not telling me nothing |
| 07:23.22 | Grant_ | 5.9G /var/log |
| 07:23.23 | Grant_ | lol |
| 07:23.30 | Grant_ | but where's the other 5GB |
| 07:24.32 | kspath | if you "delete" a file that is in use/open it is not going to be available space yet |
| 07:24.44 | GregorR-L | ARGH. Still OOPS'd, even with GCC3 >_< |
| 07:24.56 | Grant_ | ok so how can o resolve this problem? |
| 07:25.05 | fooz | GregorR-L, what oopsed? |
| 07:25.05 | kspath | kill -HUP syslogd? |
| 07:25.10 | Grant_ | LMFAO |
| 07:25.16 | GregorR-L | fooz: The kernel |
| 07:25.22 | Grant_ | are you sure its syslog? |
| 07:25.24 | fooz | GregorR-L, well obviously, but what in the kernel? |
| 07:25.39 | GregorR-L | fooz: I wish I knew - it oopses while calculating module dependencies. |
| 07:25.41 | kspath | Grant_: I see the inodes now yes I am sure |
| 07:25.58 | fooz | GregorR-L, weird. what functions does the oops say went bad? |
| 07:25.59 | kspath | Grant_: do not look at me like that |
| 07:26.20 | GregorR-L | fooz: One sec, lemme get the full message on a serial terminal |
| 07:26.34 | kspath | Grant_: should I quit reading your mind and your filesystem? |
| 07:27.04 | dotCOMmie | does lsof show open and deleted files? |
| 07:27.04 | kspath | sorry too much caffeine |
| 07:27.11 | kspath | yes |
| 07:27.17 | kspath | lsof uber alles |
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| 07:27.25 | kspath | fuser is nice also |
| 07:27.27 | teufel | I'm trying to set up a proxy server. I have two network devices in my computer, one to receive from the cable modem and another to send out to a router, I'm having trouble getting the computers behind the router to connect |
| 07:28.18 | teufel | eth0 is dhcp, and I have a static address set up on eth1 |
| 07:28.25 | dotCOMmie | is anyone using fglrx? |
| 07:28.35 | teufel | is this all I need for eth1? auto eth1 |
| 07:28.37 | teufel | iface eth1 inet static |
| 07:28.38 | teufel | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.40 | teufel | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.53 | kspath | dotCOMmie: "deleted" files ? or inodes free for future use? |
| 07:29.08 | dotCOMmie | kspath: former |
| 07:29.30 | dotCOMmie | kspath: not important I thought it might be usefull for Grant_ |
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| 07:29.58 | kspath | dotCOMmie: you are likely correct lsof is useful for all |
| 07:30.09 | AssAssIn41 | I need some little help |
| 07:30.20 | dotCOMmie | kspath: it might be too much information though |
| 07:30.36 | AssAssIn41 | I want some antivirus && firewall |
| 07:30.47 | AssAssIn41 | and i don't know any for debian |
| 07:31.02 | AssAssIn41 | Are there any in kernel? |
| 07:31.07 | GregorR-L | fooz: Hmm. Deep in unionfs. Guess I shouldn't be surprised. |
| 07:31.20 | redguy|work | AssAssIn41: firewall is included in kernel. |
| 07:31.35 | AssAssIn41 | and antivirus? |
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| 07:31.48 | redguy|work | AssAssIn41: clamav |
| 07:32.16 | redguy|work | AssAssIn41: you might want install firestarter or shorewall to configure the firewall |
| 07:32.35 | kspath | clamav is more or less to protect winderz users from virii infected emails you might receive and forward |
| 07:33.07 | AssAssIn41 | And what about classic anti virus |
| 07:33.16 | kspath | firestarter is great if you are new and want something simple and fast to install and set up |
| 07:33.22 | AssAssIn41 | I mean scan your disk for trojan etc... |
| 07:33.30 | aubergine | clamav |
| 07:33.49 | redguy|work | AssAssIn41: chkrootkit perhaps? |
| 07:33.56 | takatumi | AssAssIn41: or rkhunter |
| 07:34.02 | AssAssIn41 | thx again |
| 07:34.30 | dotCOMmie | hmm antivirus for linux not something you hear everyday |
| 07:34.55 | aubergine | why not? |
| 07:35.40 | dotCOMmie | quite uncommon (from my experience) that people run anti-virus software on linux |
| 07:35.59 | kspath | the more highly ignorant converts to linux the more likely there will be more virii for linux/MacOSx/BSD |
| 07:36.12 | aubergine | a server without that is a nono i think |
| 07:36.15 | AssAssIn41 | I'm sorry but I'm not expert in Linux |
| 07:36.32 | dotCOMmie | aubergine: you mean a mail-server? |
| 07:36.46 | aubergine | any server especially mail-server |
| 07:36.50 | redguy|work | dotCOMmie: or a samba server |
| 07:36.52 | AssAssIn41 | Need I any antivirus? |
| 07:36.52 | dotCOMmie | AssAssIn41: your concern is legit, just not common. |
| 07:37.09 | AssAssIn41 | Or Linux is safe? |
| 07:37.14 | kspath | AV software as you know it today was created to fight LARGE numbers of virii as more virii occur for linux more AV software will exist long term of course |
| 07:37.20 | dotCOMmie | AssAssIn41: depends on users |
| 07:37.27 | AssAssIn41 | Define |
| 07:37.52 | AssAssIn41 | Browsing inet (without download) and install only by Package manager ;p ? |
| 07:38.08 | dotCOMmie | should be quite safe |
| 07:38.16 | aubergine | yea |
| 07:38.19 | AssAssIn41 | quite? |
| 07:38.37 | aubergine | relativ :P |
| 07:38.41 | dotCOMmie | AssAssIn41: um about 1000 times safer then windows |
| 07:38.44 | takatumi | AssAssIn41: is somebody out to get you? |
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| 07:39.15 | AssAssIn41 | yeah, Windows is <> sh.t, but I love some Win Games :( |
| 07:39.33 | aubergine | thats the cause i use windows at home :( |
| 07:39.35 | dotCOMmie | AssAssIn41: and obviously you dont run as root |
| 07:40.00 | takatumi | aubergine: and it's a honeypot? |
| 07:40.15 | aubergine | honeypot? |
| 07:40.17 | AssAssIn41 | I use root only when I need reset Apache (jus home server) |
| 07:40.24 | AssAssIn41 | re: just |
| 07:40.40 | olczyk | Hey guys how come my WIn box can't see my samba shares on my linux box untill I click "Enable Internet connection sharing" in the Firestarter preferences? |
| 07:40.41 | dotCOMmie | AssAssIn41: yeah thats good practice d: |
| 07:41.24 | AssAssIn41 | And modify php.ini and Package Manager... More nothing |
| 07:41.38 | dotCOMmie | AssAssIn41: yeah thats what I meant |
| 07:41.45 | takatumi | aubergine: http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/118420/65/ |
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| 07:42.44 | dotCOMmie | olczyk: because ports are blocked |
| 07:43.15 | dotCOMmie | bed time |
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| 07:43.47 | aubergine | takatumi: ok that you mean |
| 07:44.17 | AssAssIn41 | BTW: Is it posible to play more sounds together (mean more programs - Amarok + some sounds From console) |
| 07:44.33 | takatumi | AssAssIn41: using alsa? |
| 07:44.46 | AssAssIn41 | maybe |
| 07:44.48 | redguy|work | AssAssIn41: depends on your hardware also |
| 07:45.13 | aubergine | takatumi: compromissing is one thing, but the other reason is to beware the users. i didnt knew he means his home system :) |
| 07:45.23 | AssAssIn41 | I'm going to instal alsa |
| 07:46.01 | takatumi | aubergine: I was referring to you winbloze gaming machine at home being a honeypot. :) |
| 07:46.04 | olczyk | dotCOMmie, well I put the ports in the rules, I thought "enable Internet connection sharing" meant forwarding. But does that open up all my Windows swhares to the shole interent? |
| 07:46.15 | takatumi | s/you/your |
| 07:46.56 | aubergine | takatumi: sure :P |
| 07:47.01 | AssAssIn41 | And one more... Deb. always write me (at booting) this: cannot load shpchp and that make me angry |
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| 07:47.50 | kspath | olczyk: you need something more like shorewall firestarter is for begineers with just a workstation mostly |
| 07:47.58 | takatumi | firehol! |
| 07:51.13 | kspath | internet connection sharing is for allowing others to in your network to use your machine as a gateway to the internet |
| 07:51.25 | kspath | thus "sharing" your internet connection |
| 07:52.51 | olczyk | kspath, yeah that's what I thought. I like firestarter because it is quick and easy to open/close ports on the fly. Maybe I will have to change. |
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| 07:53.40 | kspath | you can likely do what you want with it but I have never tried and most people doing anything interesting graduate to something else |
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| 07:55.49 | kspath | olczyk: I see you can add tons of rules if you know the tcp/udp ports for that like 137 138 139 ? my memory on winderz stuffs is faded and old |
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| 08:05.47 | zophyx | hi |
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| 08:06.54 | zophyx | hi |
| 08:07.08 | zophyx | are you in need of support ? |
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| 08:08.37 | nima | hello, everyone |
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| 08:11.22 | mango | hi every one. is there any way to know if my infrared is working please, I am runing debian 3.1 on a IBM x30 laptop? |
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| 08:12.35 | jjhall_ | Does anyone have a few spare moments to help with some X configuration issues I'm running into? |
| 08:12.52 | nima | jjhall_, whats your question? |
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| 08:13.38 | jjhall_ | Fresh install of Sarge on an older MicronPC GX notebook. Gnome works OK for the most part, KDE runs for about 5 minutes then locks tight. |
| 08:14.02 | jjhall_ | When locked, I can ctrl-alt-F1 and get to a working console with no probs, so the machine itself isn't locked. |
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| 08:14.21 | nima | hmm, that doesn't seem like an X problem |
| 08:14.22 | jm_ | did you check if X server is still running at that time? |
| 08:14.52 | jjhall_ | In gnome, sometimes the pointer changes to a 1" by 1" square when the pointer should be something other than the normal arrow. |
| 08:15.08 | jjhall_ | No, but if I ctrl-alt-F7 the locked up screen comes back up. |
| 08:15.17 | hammerabi | does it have a trident video card? |
| 08:15.44 | jjhall_ | Savage 4 if I remember correctly. I know it is savage for sure, just don't recall the revision off the top of my head. |
| 08:15.50 | hammerabi | hah |
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| 08:15.58 | hammerabi | for a start, you probably need SWCursor |
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| 08:16.48 | nima | real smooth, TwistedAtWork |
| 08:17.01 | jjhall_ | That goes in Section "Device" as "Option sw_cursor" right? |
| 08:17.08 | TwistedAtWork | Question... just changed settings for resolv.conf.. how can I check to see if my DNS is working correctly if I have multiple DNS Servers? |
| 08:17.17 | TwistedAtWork | nima: What? |
| 08:17.26 | nima | nick typo? |
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| 08:17.35 | TwistedAtWork | nima: And that's major... why? |
| 08:17.48 | nima | im just joking :-) |
| 08:17.53 | TwistedAtWork | oh ;) kk |
| 08:18.13 | jjhall_ | Or does that go under the Input Device heading? |
| 08:18.19 | TwistedAtWork | tired ;( crabby... its 12:30am and I'l still at work... |
| 08:18.22 | hammerabi | TwistedAtWork: there's nothing to check |
| 08:18.30 | kapil | jjhall_: Device section |
| 08:18.33 | hammerabi | TwistedAtWork: unless you're planning to take down the higher-listed ones |
| 08:18.51 | kapil | jjhall_: the option is "SWCursor" |
| 08:19.00 | TwistedAtWork | hammerabi: so how do I check to see if DNS is working correctly or not.. I mean some of these DNS settings are out of date.. |
| 08:19.22 | hammerabi | that makes no sense |
| 08:19.29 | TwistedAtWork | WHAT?! |
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| 08:19.53 | kapil | TwistedAtWork: if you want to find out which DNS servers are working try "host try.some.name servers.ip.address" |
| 08:19.54 | TwistedAtWork | Dude... can't you take a DNS server down? |
| 08:20.07 | jjhall_ | OK, I've changed that now. Is there an easy way to restart the X server or is it easier just to reboot? |
| 08:20.15 | TwistedAtWork | kapil: thank you. |
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| 08:20.41 | kapil | jjhall_: no need to reboot. thats only for the other OS :) |
| 08:20.53 | nima | /etc/init.d/[g|k|w|x]dm restart |
| 08:20.55 | hammerabi | TwistedAtWork: then you should have said "how can I check if a particular DNS server is working?" |
| 08:21.09 | TwistedAtWork | wow.. are you serious? |
| 08:21.22 | kapil | jjhall_: ctrl+alt+backspace should kill the X server and it'll get get re-started. |
| 08:21.48 | TwistedAtWork | I'm not a newb here ;) You could easily understand what I was saying. |
| 08:21.53 | hammerabi | no |
| 08:21.56 | nima | i sure hope unstable doesn't suck |
| 08:22.04 | jjhall_ | kapil: From within Gnome? |
| 08:22.35 | kapil | jjhal_: close any applications that have important files open or you lose stuff :) |
| 08:22.40 | TwistedAtWork | hammerabi: Are you here to help or just try to act superior? |
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| 08:22.52 | hammerabi | okiedokie then |
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| 08:23.54 | kapil | jjhall_: yes you can do that from within Gnome unless "DontZap" is an option in your X server. |
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| 08:24.12 | jjhall_ | kapil: Ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't seem to do anything. running that command gives me "gdm already running. Aborting!" |
| 08:24.40 | nima | jjhall_, run /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 08:25.02 | kapil | jjhall_: as nima said except do it as root. |
| 08:25.03 | jjhall_ | That is the command that gave me the already running error. |
| 08:25.07 | jjhall_ | That is as root. |
| 08:25.14 | jjhall_ | Well, an su user anyway |
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| 08:26.19 | jjhall_ | Tried again from a different path and now it is working. |
| 08:26.51 | jjhall_ | I'll see if the gnome cursor issues go away then go back into KDE and give tht a shot. |
| 08:28.24 | jjhall_ | LOL Now it did lock up the machine, even CTRL-ALT-DEL doesn't do anything. |
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| 08:28.46 | nima | oops :-) |
| 08:28.50 | nima | restart? |
| 08:28.55 | jjhall_ | Yep. |
| 08:28.56 | nima | nevermind |
| 08:29.12 | nima | i dont think ctrl-alt-del does anything with most window managers |
| 08:29.18 | jjhall_ | I really hope I can get it working. I was even able to get my wireless card working with ndiswrapper the other night. |
| 08:29.37 | jjhall_ | This is my first attempt to adbandon ThatOtherOS entirely on a day-to-day use machine. |
| 08:30.14 | nima | jjhall_, once you get used to it, its awesome |
| 08:30.24 | jjhall_ | That's what I've been told. :-) |
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| 08:31.01 | jjhall_ | I'm just thankful that there are so many people in here that are willing to help newbies. I've searched Google several times over looking for answers to this issue and had no luck. |
| 08:32.10 | jjhall_ | Looks like I need to write a script to automatically bring up my wireless card on reboot though... |
| 08:32.18 | jm_ | also check ~/.xsession-errors for any clues |
| 08:33.16 | teufel | I've been trying to get a proxy server up. I have a cable modem, connected to my linux box, that is connected to a wireless router, that is connected to computers. The clients can ping the server now, but they still don't get internet access |
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| 08:34.06 | hammerabi | that's still unrelated to the proxy server |
| 08:34.11 | kapil | teufel: make your question more precise. |
| 08:34.17 | hammerabi | is the server their default route? |
| 08:34.19 | jjhall_ | That seemed to fix the gnome cursor issues. Trying KDE... |
| 08:35.10 | teufel | kapil: well the client can see the proxy server and ping it, but when I say.... open a browser, there is no connectivity |
| 08:35.41 | hammerabi | ignore that |
| 08:35.47 | kapil | teufel: what is the proxy server proxying? http/ftp? |
| 08:35.53 | hammerabi | teufel: is the server their default router yet or not? |
| 08:36.00 | teufel | kapil: http |
| 08:36.14 | hammerabi | or are you only going to go through the proxy server? |
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| 08:36.26 | kapil | teufel: you need to configure the browser to use the proxy. |
| 08:36.31 | teufel | hammerabi: default router?? no, after the proxy server, there is a wireless router |
| 08:36.40 | hammerabi | oh man |
| 08:36.52 | hammerabi | teufel: that is not what a route is |
| 08:36.56 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 08:37.01 | hammerabi | but nevermind |
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| 08:37.12 | nima | whats a good PCI wifi card for use with linux? |
| 08:37.15 | teufel | sorry... I'm still pretty new obviously |
| 08:37.33 | kapil | teufel: either set http_proxy=http://proxy.server:proxy_port/ as an environment variable or set it in preferences. |
| 08:38.05 | teufel | kapil: what file are you talking about altering? |
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| 08:39.04 | kapil | teufel: not a file. in the browser options choose the proxy server as the http proxy. |
| 08:39.04 | SimonRaven | don't make assumptions when you don't know at all |
| 08:39.28 | jjhall_ | Well KDE is useless still. Seems to be acting very slow for lack of better term. Screen refresh is in the seconds per frame rather than frames per second. Running top on the alternate console doesn't show anything odd. |
| 08:39.33 | nima | teufel, whats your browser? |
| 08:39.35 | teufel | kapil: ah I have to do that for each client?? Is there a way to just open up port 80 on the server for everyone? |
| 08:39.43 | hammerabi | no |
| 08:39.44 | teufel | nima: firefox |
| 08:39.56 | teufel | hammerabi: can you do it with a firewall apposed to a proxy? |
| 08:40.10 | hammerabi | teufel: what is your actual goal here? |
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| 08:40.30 | hammerabi | teufel: if it's to let people use a proxy, then set it up and let them configure their browser |
| 08:40.47 | nima | teufel, edit>preferances>general>connection settings |
| 08:40.57 | teufel | hammerabi: I want to have my cable modem to a firewall, to the router, to the clients. I just started with proxy because it seemed easier |
| 08:40.59 | kapil | teufel: yes. its called transparent proxying. but ... (a) it is not trivial to set up (b) it violates the http protocol and causes problems with some pages. |
| 08:41.13 | hammerabi | teufel: no, a proxy is far more complicated |
| 08:41.14 | teufel | ah I see... |
| 08:41.26 | teufel | what is the advantage of proxy over firewall then? |
| 08:41.32 | hammerabi | teufel: they are unrelated |
| 08:41.41 | teufel | oh |
| 08:41.44 | hammerabi | teufel: what's the advantage of a toaster over a stove? |
| 08:41.53 | hammerabi | mostly unrelated, anyway |
| 08:42.03 | hammerabi | marketroids seem to like to blur the distinction |
| 08:42.19 | teufel | hmm. I thought they kind of did the same thing... dont they just both stand in front of the client computers to deal with packets? |
| 08:42.31 | hammerabi | a toaster and a stove both heat food |
| 08:42.34 | jm_ | they deal with them at very different level |
| 08:42.46 | kapil | teufel: what you *can* do is to use the firewall to block all direct connections to port 80 outside except for the proxy server. then tell people that they must configure the proxy in their browser to use the internet. |
| 08:43.10 | SimonRaven | and yet, you can use a simpler technology to do both |
| 08:43.26 | kapil | teufel: then you will live up to your name and be a devil on your network :) |
| 08:43.28 | teufel | isn't that kind of a bother? To go to every client browser and make changes so they can use it? |
| 08:43.37 | hammerabi | yes |
| 08:43.47 | teufel | kapil: ;) german is teh pwn |
| 08:43.48 | hammerabi | which is why just setting up a working tcp/ip network would be far less hassle |
| 08:43.57 | jm_ | you can use automatic proxy configuration, then again, maybe *you* can't |
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| 08:44.28 | teufel | gah I'm so confused. On this guide I was following, they set up a proxy first then a firewall to "replace" the proxy server. |
| 08:44.36 | teufel | I'll go back to reading though, thanks guys |
| 08:44.38 | kapil | teufel: you can set the proxy in the default configuration file on each machine. |
| 08:44.49 | hammerabi | the guide is not actually explaining what either of them do then |
| 08:44.56 | kapil | teufel: /etc/mozilla/prefs.js or some such. |
| 08:45.32 | hammerabi | teufel: you haven't given sufficient detail about your network that I've seen for anyone to be able to help you fix it, tho |
| 08:45.41 | hammerabi | which is a shame, since it's almost certainly a 30 second job |
| 08:46.02 | nima | what more do you think is needed, hammerabi |
| 08:46.04 | SimonRaven | uh hunh |
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| 08:46.17 | hammerabi | nima: what mode the AP is in, mainly |
| 08:46.35 | teufel | AP? |
| 08:46.46 | kapil | hammerabi: the longer you spend on a problem the more you learn ... :) |
| 08:46.47 | hammerabi | if it's a bridge, then this is all stupid and he/she should install dhcp3-server on the gateway, configure it, and go drink a pint |
| 08:46.55 | nesys | hi folks .. where could I find the lib dir of mysql? I've installed libmysqlclient12-dev too, now I've include dir, but I couldn't find the lib dir .. |
| 08:47.07 | hammerabi | nesys: what are yo utrying to compile? |
| 08:47.13 | hammerabi | teufel: access point |
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| 08:47.17 | nesys | hammerabi vpopmail |
| 08:47.27 | hammerabi | which is in Debian |
| 08:47.37 | teufel | hammerabi: yeah thats what I want hehe.... so install dhcp3-server? |
| 08:47.46 | nesys | hammerabi I use source, cos I've a specific installation |
| 08:47.52 | SimonRaven | !wci |
| 08:47.59 | hammerabi | which is awesome, and a great way to bill by the hour |
| 08:48.02 | nima | teufel, is the access point a bridge? |
| 08:48.05 | SimonRaven | there's a factoid for that... |
| 08:48.15 | teufel | nima I dont know the difference.... sorry |
| 08:48.19 | hammerabi | what you need to do is get the Debian vpopmail source and look at what arguments it uses to compile it |
| 08:48.29 | hammerabi | teufel: and configure all the clients to use dhcp, yes |
| 08:48.43 | hammerabi | teufel: but this all depends on how you configure your ap |
| 08:48.48 | SimonRaven | /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 08:48.53 | teufel | hammerabi: well I was just giving them static IP's from my wireless router |
| 08:49.02 | teufel | !AP |
| 08:49.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, ap is advanced placement, a way to get ahead on college, maybee, or gay |
| 08:49.12 | teufel | wtf is AP? |
| 08:49.15 | SimonRaven | and edit debian/rules |
| 08:49.19 | hammerabi | wtf |
| 08:49.22 | hammerabi | wireless access point |
| 08:49.24 | SimonRaven | wtf |
| 08:49.35 | SimonRaven | !factinfo ap |
| 08:49.35 | dpkg | ap -- last modified at Sun Apr 6 21:57:26 2003 by eflynn!~Evan@vt-williston10a-241.bur.adelphia.net; it has been requested 2 times, last by nse at Mon Apr 18 18:18:33 2005. |
| 08:49.37 | teufel | oh |
| 08:49.49 | SimonRaven | !forget ap |
| 08:49.49 | dpkg | SimonRaven: i forgot ap |
| 08:49.58 | SimonRaven | have fun kids |
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| 08:50.33 | SimonRaven | "!ap is <reply>bla blabla" |
| 08:50.34 | teufel | so if I just wanted an access point and to get rid of this proxy crap, what would I need to do? |
| 08:50.41 | hammerabi | no |
| 08:50.43 | nesys | hammerabi tnx :) |
| 08:51.13 | hammerabi | teufel: you're mixing up about 5 000 different bits of the network |
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| 08:51.46 | hammerabi | teufel: removing the proxy from your plan would be an excellent decision, tho |
| 08:52.02 | hammerabi | teufel: do you know what an IP packet is? |
| 08:52.16 | nima | hammerabi, i dont see why he needs to |
| 08:52.17 | jjhall_ | Well, no luck with KDE, and it's been a long night. Thanks everyone for the help, but I think this issue is going to wait to be squashed another day. have a good night! |
| 08:52.23 | nima | he/she |
| 08:52.35 | hammerabi | nima: if the goal is to get a network going, this is a crap plan |
| 08:52.44 | hammerabi | nima: if the goal is to learn how to get a network going, this is failing |
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| 08:53.01 | teufel | He |
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| 08:53.12 | hammerabi | teufel: I didn't mean that rudely, just trying to figure out where to start the explanation |
| 08:53.14 | teufel | ip packets are just the tiny bits of information sent between computers eh? |
| 08:53.21 | hammerabi | yes |
| 08:53.28 | hammerabi | they have a source and destination address |
| 08:53.28 | teufel | hammerabi: it's all good, no worries =P |
| 08:53.32 | teufel | ok |
| 08:53.48 | hammerabi | your client machine has no idea how to get to google.com |
| 08:53.57 | hammerabi | but it knows how to reach your gateway, which you install ipmasq on |
| 08:54.06 | hammerabi | and the gateway knows how to reach your isp |
| 08:54.12 | hammerabi | and your isp knows how to reach their isp |
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| 08:54.27 | hammerabi | and eventually someone says "oh, google is over here!" and the packet arrives |
| 08:54.33 | teufel | ah |
| 08:54.41 | hammerabi | so, you need to configure your clients to talk to the gateway |
| 08:54.43 | teufel | so proxy is just linking the client to the server and out? |
| 08:55.07 | nextime | hammerabi : "the amazing trip of a ip packet", it sound like a new film :) |
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| 08:55.16 | teufel | heh |
| 08:55.31 | nima | an http proxy retreives pages on behalf of your client, i think |
| 08:55.32 | hammerabi | DHCP is a system for configuring clients to know about gateways |
| 08:55.37 | hammerabi | yes |
| 08:56.17 | teufel | DHCP = automatic assignment of IP addresses in the network |
| 08:56.19 | teufel | ? |
| 08:56.27 | hammerabi | and gateways and dns servers |
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| 08:56.33 | hammerabi | dynamic host configuration protocol |
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| 08:57.00 | `9m4re` | !find gvim |
| 08:57.16 | hammerabi | if your AP is a router, then it probably has a dhcp server built in |
| 08:57.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gvim' (5 of 14): (/usr/share/doc/selflinux/html/bilder/gvim.png) in doc/selflinux ;; (/usr/share/vim/vim64/gvimrc_example.vim) in editors/vim-runtime ;; (/usr/share/doc/gtkdialog/examples/gvim) in interpreters/gtkdialog ;; (/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/gvim.svgz) in kde/kde-icons-mono ;; (/usr/share/xffm/pixmaps/Crystal/apps/gvim_48x48.png) in x11/xffm4-icons. |
| 08:57.23 | hammerabi | so it tells all the clients to send packets to it |
| 08:57.34 | hammerabi | the AP also probably has a DHCP client, so it knows where to send data itself |
| 08:57.50 | hammerabi | in which case, your data will go client -> ap -> gateway before it even hits the interweb |
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| 08:58.05 | SimonRaven | `9m4re`: vim-gtk |
| 08:58.10 | teufel | hammerabi: yeah my wireless router has DHCP... I have it off right now because I was just making static addresses to test |
| 08:58.31 | teufel | ah, so DHCP = good / fast ? |
| 08:59.21 | hammerabi | no |
| 08:59.28 | hammerabi | DHCP = dynamic host configuration protocol |
| 08:59.34 | hammerabi | which may be useful, depending on circumstances |
| 08:59.35 | GregorR-L | Hah |
| 08:59.45 | hammerabi | in this case, it is a good choice |
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| 09:00.37 | nima | if you ap is a bridge, it is more simple, and doesn't have a dhcp server built in |
| 09:00.40 | teufel | seems easier because you wouldnt have to do all the static ip assignment crap |
| 09:00.47 | SimonRaven | mmm, teergrubing hotmail MTAs is fun :) |
| 09:00.51 | hammerabi | yes |
| 09:00.53 | teufel | ah so a bridge is just a simple AP? |
| 09:01.06 | hammerabi | more complicated than that |
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| 09:01.12 | hammerabi | but APs are often bridges |
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| 09:01.20 | Astronomy | hey does anyone know where i would find 'vmlinuz' and 'initrd.gz' for installing off my hd? |
| 09:01.23 | hammerabi | optionally, anyway |
| 09:01.44 | jm_ | astronut: on Debian mirrors |
| 09:01.47 | jm_ | Astronomy ^^^^^^^ |
| 09:01.50 | Paivakil | Astronomy: ?? just copy the file?? try / and /boot/ |
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| 09:02.05 | teufel | ah, so a bridge doesn't make a sub network like a AP does? it just passes the data on ? |
| 09:02.18 | nima | YES |
| 09:02.30 | teufel | ah cool |
| 09:02.32 | Paivakil | Astronomy: those files are parts of the kernel package |
| 09:02.52 | Astronomy | umm...? |
| 09:02.53 | madona | hi, I have a simple SQL question, where Is it correct to make the question? which cannel? |
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| 09:03.01 | Astronomy | sorry no idea what that is |
| 09:03.04 | teufel | so what is the advantage of having a proxy? It seems like it's a lot of work for... nothing really? Is it just more safe ? |
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| 09:03.14 | hammerabi | teufel: none |
| 09:03.23 | GregorR-L | teufel: Censorship |
| 09:03.24 | teufel | wtf do we have it then? |
| 09:03.25 | hammerabi | teufel: sometimes a proxy is useful for things that can't be easily NAT'd |
| 09:03.28 | Astronomy | i'm trying to install debian off my hd |
| 09:03.33 | Astronomy | which i have windows on now |
| 09:03.33 | jm_ | proxy can cache things, it can also be used to block access, remove ads, ... |
| 09:03.34 | hammerabi | teufel: or for caching or for controlling access to things |
| 09:03.40 | jm_ | scan for viruses etc |
| 09:03.54 | SimonRaven | madona: #sql, #postgresql, #mysql |
| 09:03.57 | Paivakil | Astronomy: huh? please elaborate |
| 09:03.57 | GregorR-L | There is such a thing as a "transparent proxy" that acts as a NAT. Much better. |
| 09:04.05 | Astronomy | i'm just trying to install debian |
| 09:04.14 | madona | SimonRaven: thanks SimonRaven |
| 09:04.16 | SimonRaven | !d-i Astronomy |
| 09:04.16 | dpkg | Astronomy, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:04.20 | teufel | ah so if I wanted to block bitches from file sharing or something I could just block that port with my uber proxy? I know you are going to yell at me, but I thought thats what a firewall did |
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| 09:04.29 | Astronomy | and the site says i need vmlinuz and initrd.gz to install of my hd |
| 09:04.43 | Astronomy | and i'm asking whereabout i would find them? |
| 09:04.46 | JerJer | How can i make it so the home and end keys operate as expected in say the Terminal app when in KDE? |
| 09:05.04 | cheal | Astronomy: which site? |
| 09:05.05 | jm_ | astronut: and I said - on Debian mirrors |
| 09:05.06 | Paivakil | Astronomy: which site? |
| 09:05.08 | jm_ | bah |
| 09:05.36 | Astronomy | debian.org? |
| 09:05.43 | DocTomoe | Hi ... I wonder if it is possible to have a colored marker when working as root. something like root@hostname#, with root in red. I assume this could be achieved with ansi codes, but I do not know where to put them. any suggestions? |
| 09:05.45 | SimonRaven | people don't read what's in front of them... |
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| 09:05.59 | jm_ | DocTomoe: sure, see Bash prompting howto |
| 09:06.02 | teufel | hammerabi: were you saying something earlier about modifying my ipmasq stuff? or do I just leave it be? |
| 09:06.10 | SimonRaven | DocTomoe: google bash colours |
| 09:06.12 | hammerabi | teufel: do not touch it |
| 09:06.12 | JerJer | DocTomoe: set the PS1 environment variable |
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| 09:06.18 | SimonRaven | or that |
| 09:06.40 | teufel | how can I stop a service that is running? |
| 09:06.49 | teufel | a daemon |
| 09:06.52 | Paivakil | DocTomoe: google for .bashrc files |
| 09:06.52 | JerJer | teufel: look in /etc/init.d/ |
| 09:07.18 | Paivakil | teufel: /etc/init.d/<servicename> stop |
| 09:07.22 | teufel | JerJer: well I made my proxy shell script file and put it in /etc/init.d/ but it doesn't have any kind of stop funciont or anything |
| 09:07.29 | teufel | Paivakil: ^^ |
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| 09:07.38 | teufel | do I just have to restart? |
| 09:07.57 | Paivakil | teufel: you should include the stop functionality in your script - it your job |
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| 09:08.07 | SimonRaven | use /etc/init.d/skeleton as an example |
| 09:08.24 | teufel | Paivakil: if I knew enough to make a stop function in there, I would have. I was just following a tutorial |
| 09:08.24 | SimonRaven | and read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 09:08.30 | aris | hi |
| 09:08.32 | aris | i need help |
| 09:08.34 | teufel | I know about /etc/init.d .... |
| 09:08.36 | aris | i installed debian |
| 09:08.40 | hammerabi | teufel: what is a "proxy shell script"? |
| 09:08.46 | teufel | I was just wondering if there was a ctr+alt+delete type thing I can do |
| 09:08.51 | aris | i installed it on my desktop |
| 09:08.53 | Paivakil | aris: congrats |
| 09:08.59 | aris | by default |
| 09:09.05 | aris | it boots on GUI |
| 09:09.09 | jm_ | !tell aris -about enter |
| 09:09.22 | teufel | hammerabi: http://www.aboutdebian.com/proxy.htm it has all the iptables and junk |
| 09:09.25 | SimonRaven | hi |
| 09:09.27 | SimonRaven | how |
| 09:09.31 | SimonRaven | are you |
| 09:09.33 | SimonRaven | :P |
| 09:09.39 | hammerabi | oh man |
| 09:09.41 | aris | but when i do a ctrl + F1 and goes back again to ctrl+F7 |
| 09:09.49 | aris | it doesnt return to GUI |
| 09:10.04 | kapil | teufel: use 'ps aux' to find your proxy daemon process and 'kill' it. |
| 09:10.18 | SimonRaven | it's alt-f7 |
| 09:10.29 | aris | SimonRaven, yeah |
| 09:10.31 | aris | i know |
| 09:10.33 | Paivakil | aris: x crashes? what is the vidieo chipset/ card? intel 915? 815? nvidia? |
| 09:10.40 | aris | but i returns blank |
| 09:10.43 | hammerabi | teufel: basically, setting up a machine to act as a router/dhcp server/http proxy/mail relay is one apt-get install line and perhaps 4 config file edits (total 10 minutes + download time). whatever guide you're reading is terriblye over-complicated. |
| 09:11.00 | SimonRaven | then it isn't on f7 is it, could be on 8 |
| 09:11.09 | Paivakil | aris: try ctl+alt+F7 |
| 09:11.24 | jm_ | or just use alt-<left>/<right> and find it |
| 09:11.35 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 09:11.47 | teufel | hammerabi: ipmasq? does that just set up NAT? |
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| 09:12.38 | nima | be right back, hopefully on a stable unstable system |
| 09:12.39 | hammerabi | teufel: yes. setting up a proxy is as simple as "apt-get install squid" and uncommenting one line in the config file to let your local network use it. setting u pa dhcp server is "apt-get install dhcp3-server" and editing 3 lines in the config to tell it to use the right subnet. |
| 09:13.11 | teufel | wow I feel stupid, i was trying to get this work all day |
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| 09:14.01 | hammerabi | knowing the steps to take without prior knowledge is impossible, of course |
| 09:14.27 | teufel | yeah, at least I learned a lot in the meantime. thanks for all the help hammerabi. I'm ganna reboot this comp real fastzors |
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| 09:15.14 | jm_ | I veyr often wonder if he's just trolling |
| 09:15.15 | aris | im back |
| 09:15.18 | jeph | g'day all, anyone know how to compile the terminfo library part of ncurses? |
| 09:15.23 | aris | regarding my problem on my X |
| 09:15.30 | aris | how can i solve it |
| 09:15.43 | jm_ | jeph: replace -lterminfo with -lncurses |
| 09:16.00 | hammerabi | jm_: me? |
| 09:16.06 | jm_ | hammerabi: no, teufel |
| 09:16.32 | jm_ | or was it -ltermcap? |
| 09:16.46 | jm_ | jeph: or do you want to create actual terminfo files? |
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| 09:16.48 | SimonRaven | ugh, terminfo, please |
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| 09:17.01 | jeph | jm_: no, I have the ncurses source, now I want a .so that will provide an interface to the terminfo database. Ideas? |
| 09:17.15 | jm_ | jeph: Debian installs it, it's in base ... |
| 09:17.59 | jeph | jm_: cool. What is that .so? |
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| 09:18.15 | jm_ | jeph: locate libncurses - and you don't need to know, just use -lncurses |
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| 09:19.20 | aris | helo again |
| 09:19.20 | aris | sorry |
| 09:19.21 | kapil | jeph: you want libncurses5-dev probably. |
| 09:19.36 | aris | help regarding my Alt-F7 |
| 09:19.46 | jeph | jm_: my problem, is that libncurses.so provides global symbols like addstr, which is totally violating its namespace. Hence, I want just the terminfo interface |
| 09:19.57 | hammerabi | hah |
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| 09:20.08 | diana | What is a good forum software to use on a website? |
| 09:20.14 | diana | (phpbb sucks) |
| 09:20.17 | jm_ | jeph: why does that matter? local ones in your app will override it |
| 09:20.18 | jeph | diana: phpbb2 |
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| 09:20.35 | diana | jeph: There is a new exploit every month for phpbb2...I don't want to use their shitty code. |
| 09:20.39 | DocTomoe | diana: avoid anything with phpbb in it. personally, I like wolflab |
| 09:20.40 | diana | Anything more secure? |
| 09:20.43 | DocTomoe | woltlab, |
| 09:20.45 | diana | thanks DocTomoe |
| 09:20.52 | diana | DocTomoe: I know, heh |
| 09:21.39 | jm_ | that doesn't seem to be free |
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| 09:22.01 | aris | ive problem switching between alt-F1 & alt-F7 |
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| 09:22.11 | DocTomoe | jm_: she didn´t mention "free as in [beer,freedom]" |
| 09:22.14 | hammerabi | scoop and slash still seem to be the least shit forum-y software around |
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| 09:22.17 | SimonRaven | there's plenty of ok ones - drupal has a good record, and good code |
| 09:22.17 | aris | i cant go back to my alt-F7 (GUI) |
| 09:22.22 | takatumi | my laptop landed on the wifi card and the pcmcia socket seems loose, need to open the laptop and get to the motherboard, how tedious would this be? (presario 2540ea) |
| 09:22.23 | jm_ | DocTomoe: I know, was just commenting |
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| 09:22.39 | kapil | aris: did you try repeated alt-left's as suggested? |
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| 09:23.04 | aris | kapil, yeah ive tried |
| 09:23.08 | diana | What does slashdot.org use? |
| 09:23.10 | DocTomoe | takatumi: sounds like you want com^Hhp support ... |
| 09:23.11 | hammerabi | takatumi: is it out of warranty? |
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| 09:23.15 | hammerabi | diana: www.slashcode.com |
| 09:23.19 | diana | thanks |
| 09:23.21 | aris | is it on my Xconfig? |
| 09:23.26 | jm_ | takatumi: it can be very tedious, depending on the model, but you can often find steps how to do it on the net, I know my co-worker did so for HP laptop and he said it was a total bitch |
| 09:23.28 | kapil | aris: what happened? |
| 09:23.36 | aris | when i boot |
| 09:23.39 | DocTomoe | diana: slashcode is pretty crazy when it comes to installation. wants to be run as an extra daemon et al ... |
| 09:23.43 | aris | by default is on GUI |
| 09:23.51 | nima | wheres the gdm config file? |
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| 09:23.56 | aris | but when i swithc to F1 and switch back to F7 |
| 09:24.09 | DocTomoe | diana: definitely is a pain in the a** when trying to install it on a non-dedicated server |
| 09:24.11 | SimonRaven | run gdm-setup from gdm |
| 09:24.22 | aris | it wont work |
| 09:24.37 | SimonRaven | !tell aris -about doesn't work |
| 09:24.39 | takatumi | jm_: skimmed through the guide, it doesn't look trivial, but should I? :) |
| 09:24.52 | aris | ive run my gdm-setup |
| 09:25.00 | aris | what will i config there? |
| 09:25.01 | takatumi | hammerabi: no warranty |
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| 09:25.39 | aris | where do u think is the problem> |
| 09:25.40 | kapil | aris: this has happened to me with some i81x graphics cards. the machine will still be up. you can use it from a remote terminal or switch to console with ctrl-alt-f1 and reboot with ctrl-alt-del. |
| 09:25.41 | Poci | hi |
| 09:25.41 | aris | ? |
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| 09:26.38 | aris | kapil, im using VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] |
| 09:26.57 | aris | ive tried ctrl-alt-del |
| 09:26.59 | chalcedony | can anyone help me, my pdf won't let me copy paste. how do i get a pdf ? |
| 09:27.17 | aris | but it doesnt restart my X |
| 09:27.26 | pepsi_ | aaarg! I bought a laptop yesterday, today I inserted the debian installation cd and it fails on the AUTOMATIC PARTITIONING... any ideas? |
| 09:27.27 | kapil | aris: yes. this is a problem. remote access or hard reboot may be your only option. the graphics card has got into some strange mode. |
| 09:27.36 | DocTomoe | aris: ctrl-alt-backspace restarts the xserver |
| 09:27.45 | hammerabi | pepsi_: how does it fail? is the laptop new? |
| 09:27.49 | valdyn | pepsi_: do manual partitioning? |
| 09:27.53 | aris | DocTomoe, yeah ive done that but nothing happens |
| 09:27.55 | DocTomoe | pepsi_: do it manually ;) |
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| 09:27.58 | pepsi_ | I just answer "yes, continue with the partitioning" and the screen goes red with an error message. |
| 09:28.03 | pepsi_ | hammerabi: very new |
| 09:28.09 | aris | kapil: is there any work around? |
| 09:28.15 | pepsi_ | valdyn: that didnt work either.. |
| 09:28.27 | takatumi | chalcedony: you probably need to go to selection mode, FE in acroread click 'select'. |
| 09:28.34 | teufel | hammerabi: hmm ok I just got rid of that proxy script file thing. Do I still have to set up proxy settings on the client browser or what? It's still not getting access. |
| 09:28.44 | pepsi_ | I dont know if its strange in my case but I have no /dev/hda at all |
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| 09:28.50 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 09:28.50 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 09:28.51 | kapil | aris: disable switching to console. sorry can't think of any other solution. |
| 09:28.53 | valdyn | pepsi_: try ^^^ |
| 09:28.53 | chalcedony | umm takatumi i don't THINK this is acroread, i'm using lynx to get to it. |
| 09:28.54 | DocTomoe | pepsi_: wouldn´t happen to be an cer? |
| 09:29.05 | DocTomoe | pepsi_: acer |
| 09:29.06 | aris | kapil, oh i cant avoid that |
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| 09:29.07 | pepsi_ | instead I have some stuff in /dev/discs |
| 09:29.18 | dimir | Morning! |
| 09:29.19 | pepsi_ | DocTomoe: nope.. packard bell easynote |
| 09:29.23 | chalcedony | it reads in xpdf. |
| 09:29.26 | aris | kapil, this machine works well with ubuntu |
| 09:29.29 | pepsi_ | valdyn: what did you refer to with ^^^ |
| 09:29.37 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 09:29.37 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.14 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 09:29.42 | aris | y is it wont on debian 3.1 |
| 09:29.51 | DocTomoe | aris: never touch a running system |
| 09:29.53 | kapil | aris: i seem to recall that my problem went away with "sarge". |
| 09:29.54 | valdyn | pepsi_: ( if you havent yet tried linux26 ) |
| 09:30.01 | nima | gdm tells me that "the configuration file has an invalid comand line for the login dialogue" and that its going with the default |
| 09:30.17 | kapil | aris: are you using a frame buffer console? |
| 09:30.20 | valdyn | pepsi_: err, i mean, try linux26 first, if that doesnt work, sarge 2.6.14 |
| 09:30.20 | aris | DocTomoe, its just a desktop |
| 09:30.24 | takatumi | chalcedony: it just works with xpdf, dunno via lynx |
| 09:30.31 | aris | kapil, FB console |
| 09:30.36 | aris | i dont think so |
| 09:30.39 | aris | kapil y? |
| 09:30.42 | Eclipser | umh |
| 09:30.53 | pepsi_ | valdyn: thx!! |
| 09:30.53 | DocTomoe | aris: then even more urgently [chorus] "don´t do it" |
| 09:31.10 | nima | anyone know what file i have to edit, and how? |
| 09:31.12 | hammerabi | teufel: ignore everything to do with proxies |
| 09:31.17 | kapil | aris: perhaps just use a text console with more text width and lines if necessary. |
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| 09:31.32 | hammerabi | nima: find /etc/ -iname gdm |
| 09:31.35 | teufel | hammerabi: will do ;) I still need access to the internet from client machines though =/ |
| 09:31.38 | ma3x | how can I import my messages from kmail to evolution? |
| 09:31.40 | nima | thanks |
| 09:31.49 | Eclipser | how would I mount my floppy? :) |
| 09:31.55 | Indian_ | i have a problem: i have a newly installed sarge, with ext3 fs, and with an another partition with fat32. when i tried to set the apt-sources, i've an error message: it want to remove the "e2fsprogs" package, because it causes some "pre-depend" loop... i don't understand it, please anyone help me ... |
| 09:31.55 | hammerabi | teufel: indeed, I've explained that part a couple of times now |
| 09:31.57 | valdyn | teufel: can you already ping your internet gateway now? |
| 09:32.07 | teufel | yeah I can ping the server |
| 09:32.13 | DocTomoe | Eclipser: hou abount mount /dev/floppy0 ? |
| 09:32.15 | valdyn | now that is something |
| 09:32.21 | teufel | hammerabi: I have to change stuff on the browser even if I got rid of the proxy stuff? |
| 09:32.22 | aris | any debian experts here? --- i really need help |
| 09:32.22 | kapil | aris: why do you need the console? |
| 09:32.45 | hammerabi | teufel: no, not at all |
| 09:32.48 | aris | kapil its a desktop and and im used in switching between ttys |
| 09:32.55 | diana | cool, linux-ntfs is going into testing today. |
| 09:33.01 | teufel | hammerabi: I set my router to DHCP |
| 09:33.04 | Eclipser | there's no /dev/floppy0 ... (lsmod says floppy module is loaded though) |
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| 09:33.34 | DocTomoe | Eclipser: try /dev/fd0 |
| 09:33.45 | Eclipser | ah |
| 09:33.47 | pepsi_ | valdyn: ok.. I'm a bit lost.. what do you recommend me to type (at the installation promp)? just 'linux26' ? |
| 09:33.50 | llama32 | where's a place to ask linux-specific development questions? |
| 09:34.01 | hammerabi | llama32: need to be more specific |
| 09:34.10 | aris | any debian expert here |
| 09:34.10 | diana | llama32: You mean the linux kernel? if so what branch? |
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| 09:34.21 | hammerabi | aris: dude, stop it |
| 09:34.38 | hammerabi | Indian_: you're not using sarge, upgrade to it before doing anything else |
| 09:34.39 | jrf_ | wth |
| 09:34.46 | diana | !tell ari about anyone |
| 09:34.52 | DocTomoe | aris: if debian doesn´t work for you, try something else. |
| 09:35.11 | DocTomoe | aris: after all, its an open world |
| 09:35.25 | diana | ari use Windows ME |
| 09:35.29 | diana | !tell ari about windows me |
| 09:35.32 | teufel | hammerabi: I guess I'm confused again... I thought that my gateway was going to turn into a simple "bridge" after I got rid of the proxy stuff so that clients can just directally access the internet without changing options in their browsers, ect... |
| 09:35.32 | llama32 | hammerabi, diana: both user-mode but lowish level stuff, and kernel stuff (2.6.x) |
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| 09:35.46 | DocTomoe | diana: play nice, will you? |
| 09:35.48 | diana | llama32: Ask on the kernel.org mailing list. |
| 09:35.55 | hammerabi | llama32: #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net, or lkml |
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| 09:36.03 | kapil | aris: disable the fb console. use xserver version 4 with i810 driver in sarge. that's what worked for me. |
| 09:36.03 | diana | llama32: And ask on the debian kernel mailing list. |
| 09:36.05 | llama32 | ok thanks |
| 09:36.08 | hammerabi | teufel: this has nothing at all to do with browsers |
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| 09:36.18 | rx2 | are there any good blog entries/howtos about running gtk->cairo->glitz? cant find much info on the www :| |
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| 09:36.29 | hammerabi | llama32: note that only kernel-land questions are approriate in either of those places |
| 09:36.38 | hammerabi | rx2: are you using gtk 2.8? welcome to cairo. |
| 09:36.52 | hammerabi | rx2: if you're talking about writing code to use them, try fd.org and keithp.com |
| 09:36.58 | Indian_ | hammerabi, i think, it's sarge, i have the iso from the net |
| 09:36.59 | aris | kapil, it uses vesa.... |
| 09:37.00 | teufel | hammerabi: well it seems like it's the same problem I was just having. I changed the wifi router to DHCP, I can ping the gateway, but can't do anything else realyl |
| 09:37.06 | pepsi_ | valdyn: ok.. I'm a bit lost.. what do you recommend me to type (at the installation promp)? just 'linux26' ? |
| 09:37.15 | hammerabi | Indian_: if it claims to be sarge, it's many many months out of date |
| 09:37.17 | diana | pepsi_: yes |
| 09:37.22 | hammerabi | Indian_: now point apt at sarge and dist-upgrade |
| 09:37.25 | kapil | aris: try i810. |
| 09:37.28 | aris | ok |
| 09:37.31 | aris | ill try |
| 09:37.32 | DocTomoe | pepsi_: try apt-cache search 2.6.14 ;) |
| 09:37.33 | Indian_ | hammerabi, thx |
| 09:37.33 | hammerabi | teufel: ok |
| 09:37.34 | diana | pepsi_: When you first start your computer, and boot of the disc...you type that at the boot prompt. |
| 09:37.41 | diana | pepsi_: If you want to install with the 2.6 branch kernel. |
| 09:37.51 | Eclipser | DocTomoe, thanks |
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| 09:38.05 | rx2 | hammerabi: well not writing code yet... just wanna try using gnome on top of it to do some benchmarks |
| 09:38.13 | pepsi_ | diana: "could not find kernel image linux26" |
| 09:38.21 | DocTomoe | Eclipser: np ... you might want to add a symlink, tought. fd0 is not nearly as easy to remember as floppy ;) |
| 09:38.29 | diana | pepsi_: What distro are you using? |
| 09:38.32 | hammerabi | rx2: if you have gnome with gtk 2.8, you're using it already |
| 09:38.42 | Eclipser | DocTomoe, I use my floppy drive once in a lifetime :) |
| 09:38.44 | rx2 | well |
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| 09:38.52 | pepsi_ | diana: I just went to debian.org -> get debian -> cds -> testing |
| 09:38.52 | rx2 | maybe im using cairo yeah |
| 09:38.55 | tarzeau | i'm curious how many web browsers crash and if the webserver crashes if all in here open http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?maint=debian-boot@lists.debian.org&repeatmerged=yes |
| 09:39.00 | pepsi_ | diana: and took first and second |
| 09:39.02 | rx2 | but i dont have glitz |
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| 09:39.10 | DocTomoe | Eclipser: then even more (just remembering that I actually no longer own a IBM compatible floppy drive |
| 09:39.19 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 09:39.40 | rx2 | cairo without glitz or xgl or anything like that wont give us performance boost |
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| 09:40.02 | diana | tarzeau: Mine doesn't crash(testing/firefox) |
| 09:40.17 | peppet | pepsi_, why testing? |
| 09:40.27 | tarzeau | diana: neither did mine (sid/links2) |
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| 09:40.55 | pepsi_ | peppet: isn't there more packages available under testing ? |
| 09:41.02 | nima | well, firefox 1.5 sure is differnat |
| 09:41.19 | nima | time to see how broken gnome is |
| 09:41.45 | rx2 | the only site listed for glitz is fd.org and they dont bother giving a bit of information |
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| 09:42.49 | hammerabi | I don't think that's a fair representation |
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| 09:43.29 | hammerabi | it explains exactly what it is and how to get it |
| 09:43.37 | RedWitch | hello |
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| 09:44.01 | nima | i think i might like gnome more than ratpoison |
| 09:44.16 | teufel | hammerabi: well I'm stumped... any clues? |
| 09:44.30 | pepsi_ | ok, does anyone know the explanation to this: Using normal debian installation cds, the partitioning failed badly... using netinstall it worked fine |
| 09:44.34 | Indian_ | hammerabi, it doesn't works: after the "apt-get dist-upgrade" command i've became the same error message... :( |
| 09:44.38 | hammerabi | teufel: I still don't know what you're doing |
| 09:44.44 | hammerabi | Indian_: then show us your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood |
| 09:44.51 | teufel | hammerabi: well it seems like it's the same problem I was just having. I changed the wifi router to DHCP, I can ping the gateway, but can't do anything else realyl |
| 09:44.58 | hammerabi | pepsi_: did you verify both cds? |
| 09:45.10 | pepsi_ | hammerabi: yepp |
| 09:45.12 | hammerabi | teufel: which is fine, you haven't configured your clients yet |
| 09:45.26 | nima | #flood |
| 09:45.28 | nima | oops |
| 09:45.50 | teufel | hammerabi: configured them to what? I thought they were just connection to the wifi router like 'normal' |
| 09:46.08 | hammerabi | teufel: how do they know who their router is? |
| 09:46.32 | teufel | hammerabi: because it's what their network device is connecting to... |
| 09:46.34 | peppet | pepsi_, it was netinstall from testing or stable? |
| 09:46.39 | hammerabi | teufel: nope |
| 09:46.54 | pepsi_ | peppet: testing |
| 09:47.00 | hammerabi | teufel: they can see each other, how do they know your gateway is special? |
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| 09:47.18 | rage | Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm writing a little script that needs to create a lock file, is there a standard place to put them? or should I just stick it in /tmp |
| 09:47.20 | teufel | hammerabi: because I have it mapped in the routers options... |
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| 09:47.45 | hammerabi | Indian_: dude, I told you to upgrade to testing, and you ignored me |
| 09:47.53 | hammerabi | bah |
| 09:48.02 | hammerabi | Indian_: change "testing" to "sarge" and run 'apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade' |
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| 09:48.30 | hammerabi | teufel: okiedokie. anyway, good luck. |
| 09:48.44 | Indian_ | hammerabi, sorry :| |
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| 09:52.11 | cafuego | !info libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 09:52.14 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2.0 module)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1843 kB, Installed size: 3924 kB |
| 09:52.35 | brosiooz | to compile file that have windows.c in header i can't compile them under linux ? |
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| 09:53.02 | nesys | how could I add the qmail man on debian? I don't see man.config |
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| 09:53.09 | hammerabi | #qmail |
| 09:53.22 | harshal | here i dont have window or anything, i am using command line irc client. |
| 09:53.34 | nesys | hammerabi yep, but man.config exists on debian? or something else? |
| 09:53.38 | streuner | cafuego: ltns |
| 09:53.41 | harshal | i invited you with command, /dcc chat hhetal hi |
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| 09:53.56 | cafuego | streuner: you lost your consonants! |
| 09:54.00 | hammerabi | nesys: nope |
| 09:54.08 | streuner | cafuego: :-P |
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| 09:54.19 | fooz | guess i'll try out gnome |
| 09:54.22 | ruser | question, is tehre anyone here using etch? and how much trouble is it giving to people? |
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| 09:54.41 | fooz | KDE is kinda.. funky |
| 09:54.41 | streuner | heh |
| 09:55.10 | streuner | !info php5 |
| 09:55.16 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 09:55.23 | cafuego | !info libapache2-mod-php5 sarge |
| 09:55.39 | streuner | cafuego: wtf, php5 isn't in sarge, of course :-) |
| 09:55.59 | jm_ | he must have had some entry in sources.list where it was available and did apt-get update |
| 09:56.07 | jm_ | so it's in cache I guess |
| 09:56.37 | streuner | cafuego: so you came back to teach me english grammar, right? ;-) |
| 09:56.42 | cafuego | streuner: I know. |
| 09:56.50 | cafuego | jm_: No, I'm not a moron ;-) |
| 09:57.19 | harshal | *** on channels: #debian |
| 09:57.19 | harshal | *** on IRC via server niven.freenode.net (Corvallis, OR, US) |
| 09:57.19 | harshal | *** harshal :is identified to services |
| 09:57.19 | jm_ | cafuego: well sid/etch maybe then |
| 09:57.30 | harshal | oops sorry |
| 09:57.30 | cafuego | jm_: Package libapache2-mod-php5 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 09:57.37 | cafuego | jm_: pure sarge, fresh install |
| 09:57.54 | jm_ | cafuego: did you run apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php5? |
| 09:58.14 | cafuego | I suppose it *may* be listed as possible depend on a package that *also* in etch. But still. |
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| 10:00.05 | bibe | hi all. I'd like to monitor some info (memory/disk usage, cpu load, network traffic, ...) in an useful way and send mails on a daily basis to the admin mailbox. Should I start from scratch, or can I use a Debian package? |
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| 10:00.19 | cafuego | jm_: Yep. Sows nothing. |
| 10:00.25 | jm_ | cafuego: odd ;) |
| 10:00.27 | Paivakil | bibe: log2mail |
| 10:00.36 | cafuego | jm_: I concur. |
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| 10:01.34 | RedWitch | Hey, is there a way to use basic on debian? |
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| 10:02.11 | tarzeau | RedWitch: sure |
| 10:02.15 | jm_ | yabasic - Yet Another BASIC interpreter |
| 10:02.17 | tarzeau | RedWitch: apt-cache search basic |
| 10:02.22 | Shadowcat | why would anyone want to use basic? |
| 10:02.27 | jm_ | the answer must be yes |
| 10:02.32 | cafuego | Shadowcat: legacy applications |
| 10:02.41 | bibe | Paivakil : thanks |
| 10:02.49 | Shadowcat | man |
| 10:02.54 | Shadowcat | everytime I reinstall Windows |
| 10:03.07 | Shadowcat | some damned app seems to think it needs to add another systray icon |
| 10:03.10 | Shadowcat | this is getting annoyin |
| 10:03.11 | Shadowcat | g |
| 10:03.40 | cafuego | why would anyone want to use windows? |
| 10:03.41 | Paivakil | Shadowcat: dont reinstall windows |
| 10:03.47 | teufel | lol |
| 10:03.51 | teufel | the pounce... |
| 10:04.17 | Shadowcat | Paivakil: umm how about I have to? |
| 10:04.54 | jm_ | then complain in #windows :) |
| 10:04.55 | cafuego | 'because' is not a great reason |
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| 10:05.02 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 10:05.33 | RedWitch | To be honest I was wondering because it's quick. although I prefer C++ |
| 10:06.03 | cafuego | RedWitch: It's interpreted, which would make it quite a lot slower then pretty much all compiled languages. |
| 10:06.16 | cafuego | RedWitch: (subject to application complexity and size) |
| 10:06.24 | Shadowcat | it's "quick because the syntax is easier" |
| 10:06.28 | Shadowcat | but "it runs slower" |
| 10:06.31 | Shadowcat | put it that way |
| 10:06.48 | cafuego | PEEK $1 |
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| 10:07.28 | RedWitch | you know what i mean. quicker in developing/slower in running |
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| 10:07.42 | Shadowcat | RedWitch: isn't that what I just said :P |
| 10:07.56 | RedWitch | yes i'm agreeing |
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| 10:11.02 | teufel | I'm trying to set up this linux machine as a network gateway. I have my cable modem --- linux comp --- wifi router --- computers. I can ping the gateway from the client computers but can't get any other kind of internet access (ie, browser, chat ect..) |
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| 10:12.44 | teufel | How can get the client computers to have full internet access? |
| 10:13.18 | Shadowcat | why do you have a wifi router? |
| 10:14.05 | teufel | because I want wireless in my house... |
| 10:14.24 | Paivakil | teufel: is resolv.conf set up correctly? |
| 10:15.04 | teufel | Paivakil: no idea... I've never touched that file |
| 10:15.32 | Shadowcat | teufel: you could achieve the same result by putting a wireless nic in your linux box |
| 10:15.36 | Shadowcat | and setting it up correctly |
| 10:15.39 | holycow | guys, i modified an init.d script and i can start/stop the service manually but the service doesn't start up on reboot. i'm not googling much on why this could possibly be the case ... is it enough to just place a startup scriptin the init.d dir or must one call the script from somewhere else on the system? |
| 10:15.44 | Shadowcat | the wifi router is redundant in that configuration |
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| 10:16.18 | Shadowcat | aka make the linux machine your router |
| 10:16.27 | Shadowcat | because right now you in affect have two routers |
| 10:16.30 | diana | holycow: You have to make a symbolic link in /etc/rc2.d (if you are using run level 2) which is the default run level. |
| 10:16.56 | teufel | Shadowcat: if I had enough ethernet cards in my linux comp I'm sure it would work fine... but for now I just want to try and get this going |
| 10:17.01 | holycow | diana, oh! |
| 10:17.02 | diana | holycow: ln -s /etc/init.d/nameofyourscripthere /etc/rc2.d/S99nameofyourscripthere |
| 10:17.07 | Shadowcat | teufel: you only need two |
| 10:17.15 | Shadowcat | actually two nics and a wifi nic |
| 10:17.17 | Shadowcat | and then a switch |
| 10:17.25 | Shadowcat | and you can turn a router into a dumb switch |
| 10:17.35 | teufel | switch that much better? |
| 10:17.39 | diana | holycow: If you ls /etc/rc2.d you will get an idea of what scripts start in which order...holycow scripts with lower numbers start first..then the others...in sequential order. |
| 10:17.44 | Shadowcat | it's a simpler setup |
| 10:17.49 | bkw | I've two nics in my host and dmesg looks like "eth0: VIA Rhine II at 0x1a000, 00:0c:6e:80:67:3e, IRQ 169." "ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0e.0[A] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 177 3c59x: Donald Becker and others. www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html" So why doesn't my 3c905 get any iface during bootup? |
| 10:17.53 | Shadowcat | and a lot easier to maintain |
| 10:18.07 | holycow | diana, cool! i didn'tknow that ... ohh s99 is that okay |
| 10:18.13 | holycow | :) greatly appreciate it :) |
| 10:18.18 | diana | holycow: depends on what your script does. |
| 10:18.28 | teufel | Shadowcat: how is a switch much easier to maintain than a router? |
| 10:18.46 | Shadowcat | teufel: you don't get it |
| 10:18.51 | Shadowcat | you're making your linux box a router |
| 10:18.54 | teufel | Paivakil: do I just need to add my DNS stuff in there? |
| 10:18.56 | Shadowcat | and then getting rid of the appliance |
| 10:19.06 | diana | holycow: Sometimes it is important certain scripts go in a certain place... i.e. mounting the hard drive. |
| 10:19.15 | Shadowcat | because appliances are a PITA to configure |
| 10:19.15 | holycow | *nod* right |
| 10:19.19 | teufel | Shadowcat: it won't be a router all it's life... going to turn it into a firewall someday |
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| 10:19.27 | holycow | this is a simple modified instance of a webserver, it can start last |
| 10:19.33 | Shadowcat | teufel: router/firewall/gateway |
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| 10:19.41 | Shadowcat | I assume it's powerful enough to do that? |
| 10:19.45 | holycow | nice, i'm really starting to enjoy linux/debian/gnu |
| 10:19.53 | diana | !tell holycow about init.d |
| 10:20.00 | dimir | !nickometer __DL__ |
| 10:20.00 | diana | holycow: Those readmes should help you quiet a bit also. |
| 10:20.01 | dpkg | '__DL__' is 90.330% lame, dimir |
| 10:20.09 | teufel | Shadowcat: yeah, I still need to get the f'ing client computers to get internet access first though when it's as simple as it is now |
| 10:20.15 | diana | holycow: Be very careful if you are going to reorder scripts...because you can break some things. |
| 10:20.22 | Shadowcat | teufel: umm no |
| 10:20.22 | holycow | wicked that is what i was looking for exactly |
| 10:20.26 | Shadowcat | teufel: right now it's complicated |
| 10:20.33 | Shadowcat | teufel: get rid of the router first completely |
| 10:20.36 | Paivakil | teufel: you should have a working dns server's ip address in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:20.39 | Shadowcat | then turn the linux box into a router |
| 10:20.42 | Shadowcat | then it's simple |
| 10:20.43 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 10:20.56 | diana | holycow: One thing I like to do...is make my login manager start before other things...so it "appears" as if my system boots up faster then it does...like what windows does. |
| 10:21.00 | Paivakil | teufel: the address is usually provided by your ISP |
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| 10:21.21 | Shadowcat | either your modem ip is provided by dhcp |
| 10:21.21 | holycow | diana, oh how clever |
| 10:21.22 | diana | So if you use gdm and have default scripts...you could just mv /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm /etc/rc2.d/S01gdm |
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| 10:21.30 | Shadowcat | in which case you should get a dns server ip to go with it |
| 10:21.37 | Shadowcat | or you got a sheet of paper with all your details |
| 10:21.38 | diana | holycow: So gdm would start before the other scripts...thus making it look like your system starts faster then it does. |
| 10:21.41 | teufel | Paivakil: yeah there is a couple addresses in there... what would they have to do with the client computers connecting to this gateway? |
| 10:21.56 | Shadowcat | teufel: umm without dns you're reduced to ip browsing |
| 10:21.59 | holycow | diana, oh indeed it is s99 here , right ! :) i am going to havet test that out in vmware |
| 10:22.15 | Paivakil | ok. so DNS is not the problem. what about nat? have you set it up? |
| 10:22.28 | Shadowcat | Paivakil: that's what I was aiming at |
| 10:22.28 | holycow | diana, so your gdm must be up rather quickly |
| 10:22.31 | Shadowcat | he has TWO gateways |
| 10:22.32 | teufel | Shadowcat: sorry I'm so new at this... so I need to copy those ip addresses of my resolv.conf file somewhere? |
| 10:22.34 | Shadowcat | one on top of the other |
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| 10:22.44 | Shadowcat | he needs to get rid of one |
| 10:22.48 | Shadowcat | either get rid of the linux box |
| 10:22.50 | Shadowcat | or the router |
| 10:23.15 | teufel | Shadowcat: they can all detect eachother, it's not like they aren't recognizing eachother... |
| 10:23.28 | Shadowcat | teufel: ok listen |
| 10:23.30 | Shadowcat | you're the n00b here |
| 10:23.36 | Shadowcat | I'm telling you that's a BAD setup |
| 10:23.37 | teufel | I know, that was a question =P |
| 10:23.38 | holycow | wicked, this worked ... diana you rock! |
| 10:23.39 | Shadowcat | if you're not gonna listen |
| 10:23.40 | fred_ | hi! still trying to set up my wireless adapter. Getting a bit confused from what I find online. I also need to set WEP. Any direction please? |
| 10:23.48 | Shadowcat | I'm just gonna stop helping you |
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| 10:24.25 | fred_ | also installed a few packages now and not sure what is doing what...:s |
| 10:24.35 | diana | holycow: There are two places scripts startup on your machine... /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d(assuming your runlevel is 2, which it is) |
| 10:24.36 | teufel | Shadowcat: I'm not trying to be rude or anything, just trying to understand what you are talking about... |
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| 10:24.47 | Shadowcat | teufel: get rid of the linux box or the router |
| 10:24.48 | diana | holycow: I don't recommend editing /etc/rcS.d .. but I thought you should know about it. |
| 10:24.48 | teufel | Shadowcat: so lets say I got rid of the wifi router |
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| 10:24.53 | Shadowcat | you can't have both in that configuration |
| 10:24.56 | diana | holycow: It is easier/safer to edit /etc/rc2.d |
| 10:25.15 | teufel | Shadowcat: ok, so no router anymore... how do I get all the other computers to connect? |
| 10:25.28 | Shadowcat | teufel: you configure the linux box to become a router |
| 10:25.31 | Shadowcat | and then if you want wifi |
| 10:25.35 | Shadowcat | you add a wireless nic to it |
| 10:25.45 | Shadowcat | OR |
| 10:25.50 | Shadowcat | you make the router the primary gateway |
| 10:25.53 | Paivakil | diana: you can also use update-rc.d |
| 10:25.59 | Shadowcat | and put the linux box behind it with the rest of the computers |
| 10:26.00 | holycow | diana, coolness ... i have a learning folder, i appreciate the heads up on what not to muck about in, so this is going in that file. |
| 10:26.10 | greenhorn | I just stared using debian (starting with vps service) and I wanted to move apache off port 80 |
| 10:26.28 | blaamann | fred_: Have you read what is on the ndiswrapper site ? |
| 10:26.42 | fred_ | what site is that? |
| 10:26.43 | teufel | Shadowcat: that is what I had before. We were running into problems with that setup with comcast though. About once a day it would just stop broadcasting internet. One of my buddies suggested putting a linux box in front of the wifi to stop that |
| 10:26.43 | greenhorn | so I edited /etc/apache2/ports.conf to another port |
| 10:26.48 | greenhorn | and restarted |
| 10:26.58 | fred_ | i have read so many.... |
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| 10:27.02 | greenhorn | now it is listening on both ports |
| 10:27.04 | Shadowcat | teufel: ya then let him set it up |
| 10:27.06 | greenhorn | ?? |
| 10:27.06 | blaamann | fred_: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:27.09 | Shadowcat | anyhow |
| 10:27.12 | Shadowcat | I gotta reboot |
| 10:27.15 | Shadowcat | bbs |
| 10:27.39 | Omnix | greenhorn: your config is most likely incorrect. Without seeing it, we can't help |
| 10:27.40 | blaamann | fred_: Read and see if ndiswrapper support your card |
| 10:27.44 | fred_ | ok i will check. thanks |
| 10:27.50 | fred_ | oh yes... card supported |
| 10:27.54 | diana | greenhorn: What did you restart? |
| 10:28.15 | fred_ | i have read a few users having the same laptop and card as me. they did it, but not me (yet) :( |
| 10:28.17 | diana | greenhorn: Sometimes users will install "apache" and "apache2" which are seperate programs and use seperate configs...so you could have both running. |
| 10:28.34 | greenhorn | I only have apache2 running |
| 10:28.39 | greenhorn | and that is what I restarted |
| 10:28.49 | blaamann | fred_: Read what it says about installation etc, then ask if you have trouble |
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| 10:29.05 | fred_ | well that's why I am having trouble |
| 10:29.09 | boguh | how can i get k3b in testing? |
| 10:29.14 | fred_ | i mean I am having trouble |
| 10:29.26 | fred_ | i installed the wlan-ng drivers |
| 10:29.40 | fred_ | had to upgrade debian stable to unstable for support |
| 10:29.48 | fred_ | also installed the wireless tools |
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| 10:30.25 | fred_ | but i still don't find where and how to tell the system that my wireless network is encrypted and what is they key |
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| 10:30.49 | nkuttler | fred_: man iwconfig |
| 10:30.50 | streuner | !info k3b testing |
| 10:30.52 | blaamann | fred_: Read about wireless tools |
| 10:31.00 | greenhorn | I am guessing this is the default Debian 3.1 apache2 setup |
| 10:31.01 | fred_ | k. thanks |
| 10:31.03 | streuner | boguh: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 10:31.10 | Lorvija | how can i see the free space on my hd's? |
| 10:31.17 | streuner | df |
| 10:31.22 | Lorvija | ty |
| 10:31.25 | diana | greenhorn: What is in your ports.conf file? |
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| 10:31.47 | greenhorn | Listen 8000 |
| 10:31.51 | greenhorn | changed it to that |
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| 10:31.58 | greenhorn | was Listen 80 |
| 10:31.59 | greenhorn | before |
| 10:32.00 | pabs3 | diana: were you looking for firefox 1.5 for sarge just then? |
| 10:32.10 | Indian_ | hammerabi, thank you for the help, it works :D |
| 10:32.13 | diana | pabs3: for testing |
| 10:32.20 | greenhorn | then I restart and it listens on both 80 and 8000 |
| 10:32.29 | pabs3 | diana: ah, ok |
| 10:32.31 | greenhorn | showing the same start page |
| 10:32.36 | blaamann | fred_: I told you to read about the installation, see http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation It deals with how to use iwconfig to set key etc |
| 10:32.38 | arthurgeek | Hello All.... I have Ruby 1.8.4 installed on my debian box.... but i want 1.8.2 version... how i downgrade to that version using apt? |
| 10:32.51 | Indian_ | goodbye |
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| 10:32.58 | fred_ | I get permission denied on that site |
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| 10:33.24 | fred_ | Forbidden |
| 10:33.25 | fred_ | You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
| 10:33.27 | fred_ | Apache/1.3.33 Server at ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net Port 80 |
| 10:33.48 | blaamann | fred_: Try again, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation |
| 10:34.04 | fred_ | ok |
| 10:34.17 | fred_ | same |
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| 10:34.37 | fred_ | i'm reading the man page now.. will come back if I can't make it |
| 10:35.20 | blaamann | fred_: Well I can access the ndiswrapper site without problems and I do not understand why you get at permission denied |
| 10:35.28 | pabs3 | diana: btw, this page explains why it is not yet in testing: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=firefox |
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| 10:35.53 | fred_ | might be because of my physical location. I am in China and a lot of sites are blocked.. well a few |
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| 10:36.41 | blaamann | fred_: The ndiswrapper site is blocked in China ? lol |
| 10:36.49 | m0dY | Hello, Someone have a good knowledge in remote installing debian ?!,,, i have only root SSH access to the machine and have 2 hdd's in it so i can put whatever image on one for the installation to take it from,,, i don't know how this could be done in debian however i'm making it under redhat like systems like Centos/fedora..etc and i also was making it withouth having a second hdd,,, |
| 10:36.52 | fred_ | well I can't access it.. |
| 10:37.14 | fred_ | might be the other way because of spamming originating from my IP |
| 10:37.18 | harshal | :-) |
| 10:37.34 | fred_ | I have similar problems connecting to my hosting company :( |
| 10:38.04 | arthurgeek | Hello All.... I have Ruby 1.8.4 installed on my debian box.... but i want 1.8.2 version... how i downgrade to that version using apt? |
| 10:38.17 | nkuttler | hm, anyone in here can write to a hfsplus disk with a 2.4 kernel? |
| 10:38.52 | m0dY | Hello, Someone have a good knowledge in remote installing debian ?!,,, i have only root SSH access to the machine and have 2 hdd's in it so i can put whatever image on one for the installation to take it from,,, i don't know how this could be done in debian however i'm making it under redhat like systems like Centos/fedora..etc and i also was making it withouth having a second hdd,,, |
| 10:39.02 | bkw | I've connected a external usb hdd, and lsusb shows Bus 004 Device 002: ID 067b:2507 Prolific Technology, Inc. But there are no /dev/usbX devices so how do I mount it? |
| 10:39.21 | GregorR-L | m0dY: You MAY want to look up debtakeover |
| 10:39.26 | nkuttler | bkw: look at dmesg output |
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| 10:39.32 | GregorR-L | m0dY: If I understand your situation |
| 10:39.33 | Omnix | m0dY: stop spamming the same text. Look at cross-installing |
| 10:39.45 | Greatred | bkw, use dmesg to see which scsi device it pretends to be. might be sdaX sdbX etc... |
| 10:39.56 | nkuttler | m0dY: check debootstrap |
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| 10:40.12 | GregorR-L | MAN debootstrap rocks. |
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| 10:40.44 | m0dY | Omnix: sorry if you get it as spamming |
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| 10:40.52 | m0dY | nkuttler: how ? |
| 10:41.09 | m0dY | the remote machine i wanna do it on is CentOS |
| 10:41.11 | Omnix | m0dY: there's a section on cross-installing with debootstrap in the installation manual. Have you even read that yet? |
| 10:41.24 | DonVinzk | Hi, I will need to build a 32 bit version of firefox on a 64 bits system. Can someone provide me the guidelines to override the default setting which are to build in 64 bits ? |
| 10:41.25 | m0dY | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s07.html.en |
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| 10:41.39 | m0dY | i think this is the best i've got however not too much |
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| 10:44.02 | m0dY | GregorR-L: i wonder if there's a manuall describing that ?! |
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| 10:44.37 | Omnix | m0dY: I just referred to it. |
| 10:44.53 | GregorR-L | !tell m0dY about debtakeover |
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| 10:45.59 | holycow | diana, if i have multiple daemons with the same name, i should be giving them all their own pid files and pid's and when quiting a process or restarting it, killing that pid in the init.d script? is that the right way to do it? |
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| 10:46.29 | m0dY | thanks so much dpkg,GregorR-L |
| 10:46.29 | dpkg | bitte, m0dY |
| 10:46.43 | m0dY | i'll start reading it's manuall now |
| 10:46.46 | GregorR-L | m0dY: That situation is precisely what debtakeover was made for :) |
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| 10:47.00 | lupz | how can i set in the kernel to not make information of not-owned processes available to users ? |
| 10:47.16 | jm_ | lupz: vanilla kernel doesn't have that |
| 10:47.40 | lupz | jm_: do you know where to find a patch that can do it ? |
| 10:47.43 | m0dY | GregorR-L: so before getting involved... can it replace the current os and get debian instead |
| 10:47.53 | jm_ | lupz: grsecurity for example |
| 10:47.55 | GregorR-L | m0dY: That is exactly what it does |
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| 10:48.04 | arthurgeek | I get ruby-1.8.4 installed... and i need to downgrade to 1.8.2version.... how i do that? |
| 10:48.06 | GregorR-L | Why all the prejudice against vanilla? vanilla is a strong flavor. |
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| 10:48.17 | GregorR-L | vanilla kernels are delicious kernels. |
| 10:48.31 | csezol | yeah, vanilla is delicious |
| 10:48.32 | csezol | ;) |
| 10:48.42 | m0dY | ok,, i'll get it done now and tell you the good news :) |
| 10:48.45 | m0dY | Thanks all |
| 10:48.53 | lupz | jm_: thanks! |
| 10:49.10 | csezol | Where can i get the debian installer sources ? |
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| 10:49.17 | beginer | how i make samba to run as root? |
| 10:49.22 | csezol | the old debian installer. |
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| 10:53.34 | holycow | bbl |
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| 10:53.38 | holycow | thanks all for the help |
| 10:55.18 | arthurgeek | apt-show-versions shows a different version of my current installed package (with apt, of course) |
| 10:55.23 | arthurgeek | root@web:/usr/bin# apt-show-versions -a -p ruby |
| 10:55.24 | arthurgeek | ruby 1.8.2-1 install ok installed |
| 10:55.24 | arthurgeek | ruby 1.8.2-1 stable |
| 10:55.24 | arthurgeek | ruby/stable uptodate 1.8.2-1 |
| 10:55.25 | arthurgeek | root@web:/usr/bin# |
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| 10:56.16 | pabs3 | csezol: this? http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2002/06/04/debian/pool/main/b/boot-floppies/boot-floppies_3.0.22.tar.gz |
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| 10:57.09 | greenhorn | what is the most accepted way of keeping processes alive on debian? |
| 10:57.15 | arthurgeek | take a look at #flood..... apt-show-version tells me i have ruby-1.8.2 installed, but i get ruby-1.8.4 installed here (wants 1.8.2)... |
| 10:57.23 | RedWitch | don't stab them in the eyes |
| 10:57.35 | GregorR-L | Don't use 'kill' very much |
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| 10:57.42 | GregorR-L | Or 'killall' |
| 10:58.01 | GregorR-L | Also, don't reboot or shut down. |
| 10:58.34 | peppet | and don't kill their parents |
| 10:58.37 | Phated | NOHUP? |
| 10:58.39 | greenhorn | :-) should rephrase the question... what is the accepted way to have specific processes restart if they die |
| 10:58.49 | greenhorn | if it dies that is |
| 10:59.17 | greenhorn | something that does what daemontools does for example |
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| 11:00.15 | greenhorn | daemonetools keeps services alive |
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| 11:05.07 | greenhorn | I am asking about keeping things alive, because my problem earlier with apache had to do with this thing (listed using ps): "/usr/sbin/xinetd -pidfile /var/run/xinetd.pid -stayalive" blocking the apache2 instance running on 80 from halting |
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| 11:05.54 | valdyn | greenhorn: why would that line have anything to do with apache? |
| 11:06.25 | greenhorn | it pointed to the apache pid |
| 11:06.47 | greenhorn | and prevented it from stopping when I used initd |
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| 11:07.42 | wouterrr | hello |
| 11:07.50 | wouterrr | is it possible to get all perl packages from unstable when using testing? |
| 11:07.56 | wouterrr | this is because unstable solves a bug with perl i have |
| 11:08.14 | greenhorn | I want to know the "right way" to keep a service (e.g. Apache) "alive" on debian |
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| 11:09.35 | Nillinux | Hi, Who speaks portuguese here??? |
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| 11:10.03 | Alias_ | Is there anything I can look at to see the temperatures of a debian box? |
| 11:10.15 | jm_ | lmsensors |
| 11:10.24 | Alias_ | installed by default? |
| 11:10.27 | darkness- | Anyone know what lpf could mean when you boot up on debian? |
| 11:10.44 | peppet | Nillinux, #debian-br |
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| 11:12.15 | nima | do non-english debian channels get any activity? |
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| 11:12.59 | Nillinux | Bom dia!!! como faço para instalar uma placa de som sb16 no Debian BR CDD?? Alguém pode me ajudar? |
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| 11:13.15 | wouterrr | right.... 8) |
| 11:13.25 | nima | !pt |
| 11:13.25 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 11:13.31 | jm_ | no, it's not installed by default |
| 11:13.47 | Nillinux | Como faço isso? |
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| 11:19.26 | SerajewelKS | i can't seem to get my palm to sync properly when using the cradle. the kernel detects the device, connects it to /dev/ttyUSB0, but pilot-xfer just sits there after opening the device. |
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| 11:19.51 | Greatred | SerajewelKS, check your serial port speed settings on both your computer and palm |
| 11:20.07 | SerajewelKS | Greatred: it's USB, and they're identical anyway |
| 11:20.25 | Greatred | i've had that trouble before |
| 11:20.40 | fred_ | hi again.. seems I screwed up a few things... how do I have debian automatically detect my network interfaces again? |
| 11:20.48 | SerajewelKS | Greatred: kernel 2.6.12, running testing, dmesg shows nothing out of the ordinary |
| 11:20.54 | Greatred | did you set the port speed for pilot-xfer? (either by parameter or env variable) |
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| 11:21.09 | SerajewelKS | Greatred: using kpilot, and it's set in there |
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| 11:21.16 | darkness- | Hi, i'm having loads of trouble getting my eth0 connection working again. Interfaces is up and running. If i ping 192.168.0.1 i get ping sendmsg: operation not permitted.. The same msg when i try ping 72.14.207.99. If i try and use the browser it just hangs. pinging 127.0.0.1 works fine. Any ideas? |
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| 11:21.26 | Greatred | ahuman01, and set to the same speed as the palm i guess. oh well :| |
| 11:21.49 | SerajewelKS | Greatred: my nick is SerajewelKS, and yes, as i said they're identical |
| 11:22.00 | Greatred | oops, sorry ahuman01 |
| 11:22.09 | messiah | can anyone tell me how i can mount my external harddisk? |
| 11:22.15 | Greatred | and kpilot doesn't work either huh |
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| 11:22.26 | SerajewelKS | Greatred: not as such, no. it used to. |
| 11:22.58 | SerajewelKS | Greatred: i can do a network sync, but very weird things happen |
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| 11:23.14 | jm_ | messia: with mount command, just like other devices |
| 11:23.28 | Alias_ | crap, lm-sensors requires a kernel with I2C sensors built in |
| 11:23.44 | jm_ | indeed |
| 11:23.53 | Greatred | SerajewelKS, and you've confirmed that the palm handheld is set to the same speed? (sorry to repeat the question) |
| 11:23.54 | Alias_ | Pity it isn't done standard |
| 11:24.00 | SerajewelKS | Alias_: so 'm-a a-i i2c' |
| 11:24.08 | messiah | jm: but how do i know what to mount? |
| 11:24.13 | SerajewelKS | Greatred: *sigh* yes |
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| 11:24.16 | Alias_ | ,-a? |
| 11:24.20 | Alias_ | m-a? |
| 11:24.23 | Greatred | SerajewelKS, well i'm baffled :( |
| 11:24.25 | SerajewelKS | Alias_: man m-a |
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| 11:24.49 | Alias_ | Nothing, and apt-get install m-a nothing |
| 11:24.52 | Greatred | messiah, unplug the device, plug it back in and do: dmesg|tail |
| 11:24.55 | messiah | jm: i used this command: dmesg | tail and i can see my disk but don't know what to do next |
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| 11:24.58 | SerajewelKS | Alias_: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 11:25.12 | wouterrr | guyes, i need perl 5.8.7-10 instead of -9 in testing |
| 11:25.14 | messiah | Greatred: i just did that, what do i have to do next? |
| 11:25.18 | wouterrr | but i don't want to upgrade to unstable, howto? |
| 11:25.19 | Greatred | messiah, does it say anything about "sda" or "sdb" etc? |
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| 11:25.30 | SerajewelKS | wouterrr: why do you need -10 |
| 11:25.33 | jm_ | messiah: cat /proc/partitions, see if it's listed |
| 11:25.36 | wouterrr | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=340334 |
| 11:25.39 | wouterrr | that's why |
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| 11:26.12 | SerajewelKS | wouterrr: backport |
| 11:26.16 | messiah | Greatred: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi1 that's what it says |
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| 11:26.30 | darkness- | Is there a way to reset up eth0 via aa gui interface? |
| 11:26.31 | wouterrr | why use backports? |
| 11:26.34 | wouterrr | it's already in unstable |
| 11:26.41 | jm_ | so try using sda1 then |
| 11:26.42 | SerajewelKS | wouterrr: do you know what a backport is? |
| 11:26.48 | Alias_ | SerajewelKS: hmm... "This package is only useful for 2.4 kernels |
| 11:26.49 | jm_ | darkness-: reset eth0? why? |
| 11:26.50 | wouterrr | you talking about the website? |
| 11:26.52 | Greatred | messiah, fdisk -l /dev/sda - and mount one of the partitions it lists (/proc/partitions might also list them) |
| 11:27.01 | SerajewelKS | wouterrr: no, i'm talking about a backport |
| 11:27.01 | darkness- | jm_ read above ^^^ |
| 11:27.02 | wouterrr | what do you meant by it? |
| 11:27.05 | jm_ | Alias_: 2.6 already has i2c built in |
| 11:27.11 | SerajewelKS | !tell wouterrr about simple sid backport |
| 11:27.23 | jm_ | darkness-: why do you think resetting it will help at all? |
| 11:27.28 | SerajewelKS | Alias_: hrm |
| 11:27.34 | Alias_ | jm_: Which makes it odd that lm-sensors didn't find it |
| 11:27.38 | wouterrr | hum... SerajewelKS: isn't there a easier way? |
| 11:27.40 | wouterrr | Like pinning |
| 11:27.49 | jm_ | Alias_: are you using a custom kernel? |
| 11:27.53 | Alias_ | nope |
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| 11:27.55 | darkness- | jm_, I could ask why would upditing sarge cause this mess? |
| 11:27.56 | Alias_ | stock |
| 11:28.07 | SerajewelKS | Alias_: according to i2c-source info, 2.6 has i2c modules already |
| 11:28.09 | jm_ | then you have i2c modules available |
| 11:28.16 | darkness- | jm_, also i'm out of ideas tbh. |
| 11:28.23 | SerajewelKS | Alias_: try 'modprobe i2c' |
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| 11:28.33 | messiah | Greatred: it says something about /etc/fstab |
| 11:28.53 | Alias_ | SerajewelKS: What package is modprobe in? :) |
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| 11:29.00 | jm_ | darkness-: what does ifconfig -a show? |
| 11:29.00 | Alias_ | That will need to be installed too |
| 11:29.01 | Greatred | messiah, you'll need to tell it where to mount it if you've not entered something for it in /etc/fstab |
| 11:29.05 | jm_ | darkness-: don't paste it here |
| 11:29.08 | SerajewelKS | Alias_: are you running it as root? |
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| 11:29.20 | Greatred | messiah, mount <device> <mountpoint> |
| 11:29.36 | Alias_ | SerajewelKS: ahh... riiight. Now I am, Module i2c not found |
| 11:29.42 | darkness- | jm_, i've been through ifconfig -a and netstat -r. All seems okay there. |
| 11:29.55 | Greatred | where mountpoint is some directory, say "/external_drive" for example (you'll need to create that directory first) |
| 11:30.05 | SerajewelKS | Alias_: ah, there are drivers for specific i2c chipsets |
| 11:30.10 | SerajewelKS | Alias_: figure out what chipset you have |
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| 11:30.40 | SerajewelKS | darkness-: try 'ifdown eth0; ifup eth0' |
| 11:30.49 | SnuS | hello. can I make samba listen on both \\switch\ and \\kiki\ , with diff. shares on each ? like show up as two netbios names, on a different alias of the same network interface ? |
| 11:30.50 | SerajewelKS | darkness-: that won't fix it, but it'll satisfy your curiosity |
| 11:31.05 | HueHolleran | wouterrr: add unstable to sources.list and use /etc/apt/preferences to pin to testing |
| 11:31.18 | jm_ | darkness-: firewall? |
| 11:31.29 | wouterrr | thanks HueHolleran, i'll try that |
| 11:31.29 | SerajewelKS | wouterrr: a backport will be the most stable |
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| 11:31.38 | darkness- | jm_ , no firewall. |
| 11:31.40 | sh1kamaru | !ready |
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| 11:31.48 | petryk | hello |
| 11:31.53 | Alias_ | SerajewelKS: recommendations on how to find the chipset without physical access to the machine? |
| 11:32.01 | SerajewelKS | Alias_: you can try lspci |
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| 11:32.06 | wouterrr | it is probably, but i guess perl won't be that harsh with HueHolleran's trick |
| 11:32.14 | petryk | have here any a 2.4.xx kernel series , and TV card with v4l2 drivers? |
| 11:32.25 | messiah | GreatRed: it worked thanks! |
| 11:32.35 | Greatred | messiah, no worries :) |
| 11:32.47 | SerajewelKS | wouterrr: biggest advantage is that it won't pull any other packages from unstable. disadvantage is you have to install build-deps (though they can be removed later) |
| 11:32.58 | HueHolleran | can I paste here - about 15 lines? |
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| 11:33.10 | SerajewelKS | petryk: do you have a question, or are you taking a poll? |
| 11:33.44 | petryk | SerajewelKS, i have a probblem with Tv ... |
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| 11:33.53 | SerajewelKS | petryk: that's not a question |
| 11:33.56 | SerajewelKS | !tell petryk about ask |
| 11:34.14 | wouterrr | so this could work: Package: * Pin: o=Debian,a=testing Pin-Priority: 900 and for perl: Package: perl-base Pin: o=Debian,a=unstable Pin-Priority: 900 |
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| 11:34.31 | SerajewelKS | wouterrr: iirc you don't need to pin perl |
| 11:34.44 | SerajewelKS | wouterrr: apt-get has a syntax for installing a package from a specific repository |
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| 11:34.51 | nima | is framebuffer support dependant on the kernel? |
| 11:34.56 | SerajewelKS | wouterrr: IIRC, it's apt-get -t unstable install perl-base |
| 11:34.56 | jm_ | darkness-: well paste the output of ifconfig -a and route -n and iptables -L -v -n and iptables -t nat -L -v -n somewhere |
| 11:34.58 | messiah | GreatRed: i can't delete files, it says the filesystem is read only, any advice? |
| 11:35.02 | petryk | i have a problem with v4l2 on a debian sarge with kernel 2.4.xx series |
| 11:35.05 | HueHolleran | wouterrr: I take it you're running testing? |
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| 11:35.13 | wouterrr | HueHolleran: i'm running testing |
| 11:35.15 | Greatred | messiah, what sort of filesystem is it? not NTFS is it? |
| 11:35.22 | petryk | i patch a 2.4.26 kernel , and , TV don't work |
| 11:35.32 | messiah | GreatRed: it is... |
| 11:35.44 | petryk | with 2.4.27 kernel without patch TV work without sound |
| 11:35.57 | Greatred | messiah, ahh... write support to NTFS filesystems is incomplete on Linux |
| 11:36.01 | petryk | have any experience with a TV on 2.4.xx kernels? |
| 11:36.14 | petryk | SerajewelKS, now is question good? |
| 11:36.26 | SerajewelKS | petryk: almost, still need the card chipset. but what is your native language? |
| 11:36.31 | messiah | Greatred: ah ic, should i format to FAT then? |
| 11:36.32 | Greatred | messiah, tbh the only safe write you can perform to NTFS is to write to an existing file, and without changing the size of the file |
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| 11:37.00 | Greatred | messiah, you could do, yes. of course FAT is more limited than NTFS, but you can write to it in both windows and linux |
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| 11:37.26 | Greatred | messiah, the most notable limitation of FAT32 is the 2Gb filesize limit. that might not be a problem for you tho |
| 11:37.37 | DonVinzk | Can anybody provide mesome guidelines onhow to ask for a 32 bits version of a software with gcc configured for 64 bits output ? |
| 11:37.57 | wouterrr | excellent |
| 11:38.01 | messiah | Greatred: is that a maximum for 1 file or for the whole disksize? |
| 11:38.33 | Greatred | messiah, a single file on FAT32 cannot exceed 2Gb in size. the size of the whole filesystem can be somewhat larger though |
| 11:38.34 | petryk | SerajewelKS, card have a philips semicolons driver (saa7134) , I am native slovak ... |
| 11:38.52 | messiah | Greatred: ok, thanks a lot! |
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| 11:39.01 | Greatred | messiah, no worries - have fun :) |
| 11:39.33 | wouterrr | thanks HueHolleran en SerajewelKS |
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| 11:40.56 | HueHolleran | Arglwydd: Yr Arglwydd? |
| 11:41.06 | FromTO | I am trying to get a wireless interface to boot on startup. I followed the madwifi instructions but it does not work. I now gave a cript that I want to execute on startup. How do I do this. I put the script in /etc/init.d and a link in /etc/rc0.d. but it is not bringing the interface at boot time |
| 11:41.10 | Arglwydd | ? |
| 11:41.11 | jun-kee | question yall, Im on knoppix on a p4 and no sound, if knoppix has problems loading/finding soundcard, should i sweat about installing debian? |
| 11:41.31 | HueHolleran | Arglwydd: Cymraeg? |
| 11:41.38 | takatumi | FromTO: what does your script do? |
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| 11:42.38 | stochastic | I'm trying to mount my RCA Lyra RD2115 usb mp3 player but I'm having no luck can anyone help a newbie out? |
| 11:42.38 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 11:42.58 | elephantMan | I can't make my sound card work...what are the key points i should check ? |
| 11:43.07 | FromTO | takatumi: It sets up and configures madwifi for the wireless card. when I execute the script in the terminal all is ok |
| 11:43.22 | elephantMan | I have a P5AD2 Asus mobo with debian |
| 11:43.22 | jun-kee | haha soundcard prob, me too |
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| 11:43.51 | bibe | hi all. is this the correct channel to ask for problems while purging a kernel image (linux-image-2.6.14-2-686) from backports.org? The package |
| 11:43.53 | bibe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.05 | takatumi | FromTO: usually what you need to do can be managed via /etc/network/interfaces man 7 wireless is a good start |
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| 11:44.23 | Alias_ | SerajewelKS: ok, sensors-detect shows a chipset that doesn't appear to be in debian |
| 11:44.30 | nornagon | is there a way to tell gdm what resolution/refreshrate to use? |
| 11:44.38 | Alias_ | At least according to a website search.... "w83627hf" |
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| 11:44.56 | Alias_ | thoughts? |
| 11:45.29 | bizkit | in screen, if key F6 is bound by screen, is it possible to escape this and send the F6 key to the actual application? |
| 11:45.32 | bibe | nornagon : resolution and refresh rate depends on the X (xfree86 or xorg) server, not on gdm |
| 11:45.56 | takatumi | FromTO: my madwifi driven card used to work cleanly on boot, only with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:46.06 | jm_ | bibe: someone had the same question yesterday |
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| 11:46.23 | scytheman | bizkit, try alt gr + f6 |
| 11:46.30 | nornagon | bibe: right, but is there a way to tell gdm to use a different refresh rate? |
| 11:46.31 | jm_ | bizkit: you can rebind keys to do whatever you want in screen |
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| 11:47.04 | bizkit | jm_: i know that, i've bound the keys by myself. now certain apps have default binds on them, so i need them |
| 11:47.14 | nornagon | failing that, can I tell xorg to use a different default refresh rate without changing the maximum refresh rate? |
| 11:47.18 | bizkit | scytheman: this didn't work |
| 11:47.39 | scytheman | bizkit, mh, this works at least in ion |
| 11:47.46 | elephantMan | How can i know in which 'modconf' section i will find CONFIG_SND_HDA_INTEL ? |
| 11:47.50 | FromTO | takatumi: I followed what http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian says. by adding to /etc/network/interfaces but only eth0 still boots up |
| 11:48.06 | azeem | elephantMan: sound stuff, probably |
| 11:48.35 | bibe | nornagon : gdm will (AFAIK) always use X server's refresh rate |
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| 11:48.51 | nornagon | bibe: ah, okay. :/ |
| 11:48.55 | jm_ | bizkit: in that case you can easily send it via another key, but I guess you know that, as you have already said |
| 11:49.25 | elephantMan | Ok i found it and the module is loaded...given that what can make my sound not working ? |
| 11:49.29 | azeem | nornagon: GNOME e.g. has a resolution and refresh rate changing applet |
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| 11:50.20 | nornagon | right |
| 11:50.44 | nornagon | but gdm's using a higher refresh rate than my lcd's optimum refresh rate, so it looks fuzzy |
| 11:51.19 | azeem | if you operate out of spec, you should fix the xorg config |
| 11:51.33 | HueHolleran | wouterrr: are you sorted w/ perl - or do you want a copy of /etc/apt/preferences |
| 11:52.24 | nornagon | azeem: not out of spec; 75hz is the reported maximum of the monitor |
| 11:52.28 | nornagon | it just looks fuzzy there |
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| 11:54.09 | fred_ | hi. I can't access http://www.linuxquestions.org%00/questions/showthread.php?postid=1806817 can someone copy&paste it here please? |
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| 11:54.45 | diana | What is the most one should pay for a simple website (mysql/phpbb/apache) a year? (1000 hits a day, no more then 10 gigs of bw used a month) |
| 11:55.01 | Corrafig | fred_: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?postid=1806817 | This? |
| 11:55.13 | takatumi | FromTO: your /etc/network/interfaces is not right then. |
| 11:55.19 | Alias_ | diana: You've come to an operating system channel to ask a business question? :/ |
| 11:55.31 | fred_ | should be about Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/orinoco.o |
| 11:55.36 | bibe | diana : 8,99 euros + 20% IVA, here in Italy (www.tophost.it) |
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| 11:56.44 | fred_ | i'm connecting from China where the international link has been really bad for the past few days...:( |
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| 11:57.21 | solomonn | non-debian question: is there such a thing as scalable linux software RAID? |
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| 11:57.41 | fred_ | i removed the %00 which google gave me in the link.. still timing out... |
| 11:57.54 | HueHolleran | fred_: me too |
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| 11:58.21 | fred_ | oh.. getting something now after a few refreshes.. thanks |
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| 11:58.43 | elephantMan | Ok what is strange is that i can hear system sounds but not when i play a movie |
| 11:58.58 | bizkit | jm_: sorry i had a timeout |
| 11:59.03 | bizkit | jm_: yes, the point is i don't want to change all keybinds for running processes within my screen session, i use many windows within the session with many apps. this is why i have many keybinds for screen which overlap some of the needed ones for other apps. i thought of a way to 'exit' the screen keybind listener and send the input to the actual process. i don't believe it that this is missing in gnu screen, just searching for it now :/ |
| 11:59.05 | stochastic | I can't seem to mount my RCA Lyra RD2115 usb mp3 player can anyone help a newbie? |
| 11:59.37 | HueHolleran | solomonn: how do you define "scalable"? |
| 11:59.40 | wouterrr | HueHolleran: it's fixed : ) |
| 11:59.41 | blaamann | elephantMan: Tried alsaconf ? |
| 12:00.02 | fred_ | actually maybe someone knows. When I install the wlan-ng package I get 3 error messages: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.o any idea what this is about? |
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| 12:00.06 | peppet | elephantMan, killall esd |
| 12:00.16 | nkuttler | stochastic: does it show up in dmesg? |
| 12:00.18 | HueHolleran | wouterrr: well done - ur productivity > my productivity today |
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| 12:00.40 | wouterrr | haha : ), i had to: people were complaining mail was not getting through queue |
| 12:00.54 | stochastic | nkuttler I don't know what I should be looking for in dmesg |
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| 12:01.00 | HueHolleran | yep, sure focuses the mind! |
| 12:01.22 | FromTO | takatumi: I am trying something else. |
| 12:01.24 | bkw | I've done "$xhost +localhost" but "#xcdroast" still returns "(xcdroast:6178): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" |
| 12:01.25 | quoth | any way to let sarge not follow dependencies. I try to remove a gnome game and it proposes to remove all gnome packages, how do I make it not follow dependencies? |
| 12:01.46 | stochastic | nkutter oh, now that I run it again I see USB Mass Storage device at the end |
| 12:01.48 | nkuttler | stochastic: new usb device found etc... |
| 12:01.59 | HueHolleran | quoth: did GNOME get installed just 'cos you loaded the game? |
| 12:02.03 | nkuttler | stochastic: does it list a device? like /dev/sda1? |
| 12:02.08 | fred_ | got to go now.. thanks |
| 12:02.09 | takatumi | FromTO: it should work without the script too, worked for me. ;) |
| 12:02.10 | fred_ | bye |
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| 12:02.20 | stochastic | nkuttler no |
| 12:02.21 | quoth | HueHolleran, it was installed when setting up the system, not because of a game or gnome app |
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| 12:03.10 | nkuttler | stochastic: does the player support usb storage? |
| 12:03.17 | quoth | HueHolleran how do I change/remove the dependency? |
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| 12:03.22 | HueHolleran | quoth: u r using aptitude or dselect? |
| 12:03.24 | stochastic | nkuttler yup |
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| 12:03.41 | quoth | HueHolleran dselect |
| 12:03.45 | solomonn | HueHolleran: as in disks can be added to the array |
| 12:03.49 | faisal_d | guys.. can somebody help me with a Xserver problem? |
| 12:03.54 | hang_China | msg hang_China sdaf |
| 12:04.04 | quoth | faisal_d state the proble |
| 12:04.06 | quoth | +m |
| 12:04.07 | solomonn | HueHolleran: in fact come to think of it, for most types of raid this might be a whole lot to ask. at least for the types of raid that i want to use |
| 12:04.12 | HueHolleran | quoth: thought so - I've abandoned that in favour of aptitude for sarge - much more predictable |
| 12:04.19 | HueHolleran | quoth: what's the game? |
| 12:04.24 | quoth | HueHolleran samegame |
| 12:04.32 | quoth | HueHolleran can aptitude help here? |
| 12:04.39 | hang_China | MSG hang_China asdf |
| 12:04.44 | jm_ | bizkit: quick scan of info docs doesn't reveal anything |
| 12:04.56 | solomonn | HueHolleran: i was thinking raid5.. but if all my data is striped across x disks and my parity data is also striped across those disks, i guess it would take a lot to add something to that |
| 12:05.00 | faisal_d | quoth: i just installed debian sarge wiht kernel 2.4.27-2 then i used aptitude to install xserver... but it doesn't want to start |
| 12:05.03 | HueHolleran | quoth: what's the package? |
| 12:05.03 | hang_China | hello everyone,is there anyone who use cedega? |
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| 12:05.16 | faisal_d | hang_China: i tried it out a bit... |
| 12:05.17 | tarzeau | no |
| 12:05.33 | takatumi | tarzeau: bubbles? |
| 12:05.33 | quoth | HueHolleran, gtkboard |
| 12:05.40 | tarzeau | takatumi: ok let's do some, |
| 12:05.45 | bkw | how can #xcdroast still return "(xcdroast:6178): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" even if I've allow all connects to the current display as a user doing xhost +localhost? |
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| 12:06.00 | HueHolleran | solomonn: you can have spare disks with raidV - is that what you mean? if so - yes this is fully supported and will re-sync if one of the others fails/gets removed etc. |
| 12:06.07 | nkuttler | stochastic: /msg dpkg usb-mount |
| 12:06.17 | cahoot | usb-storage |
| 12:06.22 | hang_China | there are something wrong with my cedega.. |
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| 12:06.30 | nkuttler | err |
| 12:06.36 | nkuttler | stochastic: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 12:07.04 | cahoot | bkw: why don't you use sudo? |
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| 12:07.10 | jm_ | or sux? |
| 12:07.17 | cahoot | right |
| 12:07.28 | solomonn | HueHolleran: i was thinking more along the lines of being able to add to it later and still have the performance and redundancy advantages, and furthermore increase efficiency |
| 12:07.35 | HueHolleran | quoth: just looked this up - no packages depend on this - so removal s/b fine. I would definitely use aptitude |
| 12:07.53 | stochastic | nkutter I don't understand what you mean by that |
| 12:07.55 | quoth | HueHolleran alright, I'll check it out. thanks for your time |
| 12:08.01 | bkw | cahoot: just installed debian so I haven't made that far |
| 12:08.06 | tarzeau | !seen cmdKeen |
| 12:08.07 | dpkg | cmdkeen <n=yac@ova-84-242-95-93.nat.karneval.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 2h 19m 51s ago, saying: 'Coke... I have bad experience with command line tools of mass destruction like dd but I will try mondo, it looks fine.'. |
| 12:08.13 | solomonn | Huahua: i suppose i could make a 3-disk raid5, and when that fills up make another 3-disk raid5. but then i have bought 6 disks worth of storage and have 4 disks worth available |
| 12:08.21 | faisal_d | quoth: just checked the log... it appears that xserver is complaining about not finding the mouse!!! |
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| 12:08.26 | cahoot | bkw: install sux as suggested - go on from there |
| 12:08.26 | faisal_d | does that stop it from running? |
| 12:08.32 | tarzeau | !seen eulex |
| 12:08.32 | dpkg | eulex <n=alex@h31n1fls33o998.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12h 45m 49s ago, saying: 'portxxx, dpkg is a bot. la lengua de #debian es inglés.'. |
| 12:08.34 | Grant_ | Hey guys, i came on earlier before with a problem with my debian server.. its used 10GB up on the HDD and its now 100% full and i dont know what's causing it.. |
| 12:08.48 | Grant_ | 5 days ago it only had 23% used on the HDD |
| 12:08.49 | quoth | faisal_d then add it? |
| 12:08.53 | solomonn | Huahua: i guess there is no way to magically make the 3-disk raid5 into a 6-disk, and so have 5 disks' worth of capacity instead of 4 |
| 12:08.58 | faisal_d | quoth: sorry... but how do i do that? |
| 12:09.02 | redcliffe | anyone know if firefox 1.5 is being packaged yet or if there's test packages available for it? |
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| 12:09.10 | tarzeau | redcliffe: yes it is |
| 12:09.10 | solomonn | redcliffe: it's in sid |
| 12:09.15 | tarzeau | redcliffe: it was renamed |
| 12:09.26 | redcliffe | tarzeau: ah that's why i can't find it then |
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| 12:09.51 | cahoot | bkw: IIRC you need xbase-clients too (if not already installed) |
| 12:09.52 | tarzeau | redcliffe: play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net with us? |
| 12:09.55 | Grant_ | Meh? |
| 12:10.16 | HueHolleran | solomonn: ahh ok - do you mean moving a 3-disk raid 5 to e.g. a 4-disk or more-disk raid 5? |
| 12:10.31 | solomonn | HueHolleran: eah |
| 12:10.32 | bkw | cahoot: sux installed |
| 12:10.38 | quoth | faisal_d dpkg --reconfigure xserver |
| 12:10.39 | solomonn | HueHolleran: er, yeah |
| 12:10.55 | redcliffe | err bit busy lol thanks |
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| 12:11.48 | Grant_ | ok syslog is 999MB, but that doesnt count the other 9GB |
| 12:12.11 | Grant_ | hwo do i trim down syslog? |
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| 12:12.30 | HueHolleran | solomonn: never tried it - i can't imagine it's possible. tbh though if i had 3 disks i'd use raid 5, but with 4 disks i'd probably use raid 10(!) |
| 12:12.42 | stochastic | nkuttler I dont know what you mean by that |
| 12:13.01 | bkw | cahoot: #sux bkw ; xcdroast still returns Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 12:13.05 | solomonn | HueHolleran: but raid10 is worse effeciency |
| 12:13.18 | solomonn | HueHolleran: if i get 4 250G disks, i can have a 750G raid5 or a 500G raid10 |
| 12:13.39 | HueHolleran | solomonn: but isn't it sooo much faster than raid 5? |
| 12:14.19 | solomonn | HueHolleran: hum, idunno. read would be pretty fast but write would be slower i think |
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| 12:14.56 | solomonn | HueHolleran: for a file server, anyway, read would normally only need to be faster than 100mbit or gigabit network it's going over |
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| 12:15.58 | paulproteus|lapt | Any dd experts around? |
| 12:16.01 | xah | does debian support mouse wheel out of the box? |
| 12:16.10 | cahoot | bkw: got xbase-clients installed? |
| 12:16.31 | bkw | cahoot: yes |
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| 12:17.11 | solomonn | HueHolleran: anyway, i guess i had better just try and start out with as much of what i want as i can :) |
| 12:17.17 | solomonn | HueHolleran: thanks for the chat |
| 12:17.19 | nima | why does flash for linux have to suck so much? |
| 12:17.19 | paulswm | paulproteus|lapt: What filesystem type? |
| 12:17.20 | solomonn | bed time for me |
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| 12:17.25 | paulproteus|lapt | paulswm: ext3 |
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| 12:17.34 | bkw | cahoot: now I can't even run term as user anymore |
| 12:17.35 | cahoot | bkw: ls -l ~/.Xaouthority |
| 12:17.35 | Grant_ | How do i trim down syslog, obviously i dont just do a rm syslog |
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| 12:17.42 | cahoot | bkw: ls -l ~/.Xauthority |
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| 12:18.17 | goccia | tarzeau: i'm using a client but i get : Error code 500 |
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| 12:18.20 | bkw | cahoot: only rw for owner. |
| 12:18.21 | paulswm | paulproteus|lapt: it's gone, almost certainly |
| 12:18.23 | HueHolleran | solomonn: had a further think - as the nr-raid-disks is defined with the raid level to setup the array - then changing the number of disks must be as difficult as changing the raid level - i.e. re-create the array? |
| 12:18.33 | paulproteus|lapt | paulswm: I found a copy doing a hexedit search of the disk. |
| 12:18.33 | tarzeau | goccia: joining the meta internet server snow.ethz.ch? |
| 12:18.44 | cahoot | bkw: and the 'correct' owner? |
| 12:18.48 | m0rbid | Where can I find a tutorial on User Access Limitations? ie: I only want my hosted customers to ONLY have ftp access, no processes or ssh. |
| 12:18.50 | paulproteus|lapt | It's at offset 6485258240 . |
| 12:18.54 | HueHolleran | cheers, solomonn - 'night 'night |
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| 12:18.59 | bkw | cahoot: yes. |
| 12:19.10 | paulswm | paulproteus|lapt: OK, good, lemme see if I can remember how to do this, I managed to recover a couple of files a few months ago |
| 12:19.19 | cahoot | bkw: and as that user you cannot run xcdroast? |
| 12:19.26 | JW | I hear a lot on arch-es lately. Is i686 planned too? |
| 12:19.30 | Ozzy | Oh baby |
| 12:19.33 | paulproteus|lapt | paulswm: I'm currently trying dd if=/dev/hunkajunk/home skip=6485258240 count=8 bs=1024 |
| 12:19.33 | nima | does flash have sound problems for everyone else too? |
| 12:19.36 | tarzeau | JW: no |
| 12:19.46 | goccia | tarzeau: :)))))))))))) |
| 12:19.47 | paulproteus|lapt | paulswm: It's taking forever, but I think after it finishes skipping the first bit of the disk it'll get there. |
| 12:19.56 | timgoh0 | m0rbid: Observe /etc/passwd, if you are using it for authen. Note that some lines read /bin/false. |
| 12:20.00 | paulproteus|lapt | I tried seek= instead, but strace on that reports it as an invalid seek. |
| 12:20.03 | bkw | cahoot: It has to be setup as root first time. |
| 12:20.05 | JW | tnx tarzeau, so I'll keep running Archlinux next to Debian :-P |
| 12:20.14 | timgoh0 | m0rbid: That would be the login shell. To deny login, simply change that. |
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| 12:20.17 | m0rbid | timgoh0: Ill give it a shot, thx for the info. |
| 12:20.18 | tarzeau | JW: do whatever you want |
| 12:20.23 | bkw | cahoot: I cannot even start a terminal anymore as user :/ |
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| 12:20.42 | paulswm | paulproteus|lapt: That's a good start, if the blocks were contiguous and you've got all of them |
| 12:21.42 | cahoot | bkw: I suggest restarting X |
| 12:21.52 | m0rbid | timgoh0: if I put /bin/false, what does that NOT allow? |
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| 12:22.06 | timgoh0 | m0rbid: A login will fail. ssh should fail as well. |
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| 12:22.24 | timgoh0 | m0rbid: FTP, or things that do not need a shell, should succeed. |
| 12:22.35 | timgoh0 | m0rbid: Alternatively, tamper with PAM. |
| 12:22.43 | paulswm | paulproteus|lapt: IIrc, what I did was a grep on the device to find the fs block containing a known unique string, then figured out the start and end blocks and dd'ed to a new file - however, I was using fs blocks, not disk blocks, so I ended up with a bit of crift on the end of the file - it was a spreadsheet, so when I opened it in OO, OO fixed it |
| 12:22.54 | m0rbid | timgoh0: oh, ok thanks. |
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| 12:23.33 | m0rbid | is there a free open sourced webhosting pkg? |
| 12:23.47 | jm_ | paulproteus|lapt: does any app have it opened still? |
| 12:23.49 | m0rbid | or, can someone recommend one? |
| 12:23.53 | paulproteus|lapt | jm_: Sadly, no. |
| 12:24.00 | paulproteus|lapt | it's a PHP file and a few CSSs. |
| 12:24.13 | paulproteus|lapt | An upgrade of a web app that went horribly wrong.... |
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| 12:24.35 | bizkit | paulproteus|lapt: let me guess.. webmin? :p |
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| 12:25.01 | paulproteus|lapt | bizkit: No, wordpress. I expected it to extract into wordpress-1.2.2/ but it did into wordpress/ , over the old setup. |
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| 12:25.17 | SimonRaven | ouch |
| 12:25.23 | paulswm | paulproteus|lapt: Anyway, good luck, you're doing exactly the right thing as far as I can tell |
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| 12:25.37 | SimonRaven | luckily most of it is generic, and doesn't touch themes |
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| 12:25.48 | paulproteus|lapt | SimonRaven: These days that's true. |
| 12:25.51 | paulproteus|lapt | But not in the 1.2.x era. |
| 12:26.00 | SimonRaven | BTW, get 1.5 or whatever |
| 12:26.07 | SimonRaven | true |
| 12:26.08 | paulproteus|lapt | paulswm: Thanks for the words of encouragement. (-: |
| 12:26.08 | faisal_d | guys, i just installed xserver on my machine... and i'm facing problems with the mouse... tried to do dpkg reconfigure and it says "xserver is not installed", trying to reinstall says that it is already installed!! |
| 12:26.12 | paulswm | paulproteus|lapt: Your major concern is of course if any of those blocks have been overwritten. Anyway, I'm off |
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| 12:26.51 | HueHolleran | faisal_d: isn't it xserver-xfree86? |
| 12:26.52 | bizkit | faisal_d: there are two xservers packaged in debian these days, xfree86 and xorg |
| 12:27.22 | faisal_d | it is xfree86 |
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| 12:27.49 | paras | hi all.. i did: echo "gcc-4.0 hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 12:27.52 | yves | if I run alsaconf and when after probing I get an empty result, does that mean my soundcard can't be configured to work in Debian? |
| 12:27.57 | HueHolleran | faisal_d dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:28.17 | paras | but again while apt-get -f install .. it is saying The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 12:28.18 | paras | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.21 | m0rbid | yves, is it a PCI Card? |
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| 12:28.38 | bizkit | paras: don't use -f |
| 12:28.39 | faisal_d | HueHolleran: conflicting actions control and remove!! |
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| 12:28.47 | paras | bizkit, what sud i do? |
| 12:28.51 | yves | m0rbid: nope, it's an ISA card. |
| 12:29.04 | bizkit | paras: -f is force, just do apt-get install <package> |
| 12:29.09 | m0rbid | yves, theres your issue, search google for isapnptools |
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| 12:29.28 | m0rbid | yves: iirc. |
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| 12:29.34 | paras | bizkit, i did: apt-get install enlightenment-data. it is telling me first to do apt-get -f install |
| 12:29.46 | yves | m0rbid: i'll try that. thanks |
| 12:29.50 | bizkit | paras: then sth. earlier went wrong.. |
| 12:29.53 | m0rbid | dpkg --configure -a |
| 12:30.15 | HueHolleran | yves: bin it and buy a pci one (i had hair b4 i tried - and failed - to install my isa sound card) |
| 12:30.40 | m0rbid | HueHolleran: I agree, although I had luck with real SoundBlaster cards. |
| 12:30.50 | paras | and i don;t want to upgrade gcc-4.0 |
| 12:31.03 | paras | what went wrong.. seems hold is not working |
| 12:31.23 | bkw | cahoot: no success, sux is installed and xhost +localhost made as user, but #xcdroast returns (xcdroast:5513): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 12:31.30 | bonden | hello. I believe I got all the permissions right for /dev/snd (drw-rw-rw- 2 root bonden 280 2005-12-29 13:17 /dev/snd) - but the ordinary user still can't access it. |
| 12:31.34 | bizkit | paras: hold is working, but if you use -f it will be forced to install. |
| 12:31.36 | jm_ | bkw: wrong |
| 12:31.43 | HueHolleran | yep, i did get a sb to install - just to get some training on that bit of lpic - but after that i vowed never bother with isa again - unless it can be manually configured! |
| 12:31.43 | bizkit | paras: why don't you want to upgrade gcc? |
| 12:32.07 | m0rbid | HueHolleran: hehe |
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| 12:32.14 | nixxie | bonden: you are supposed to add the user to the audio group if they use audio devices. on debian by default, at least. |
| 12:32.17 | bkw | jm_: What's wrong? I did $xhost +localhost |
| 12:32.20 | yves | HueHolleran: I'll give it a try anyways. I hope it will be a good learning experience |
| 12:32.22 | m0rbid | HueHolleran: indeed, I had that problem with alot of PnP Cards. |
| 12:32.34 | m0rbid | yves: oh it will be. |
| 12:32.37 | paras | bizkit, beacuse the newer is buggin the problem GLIBC pointer error *** |
| 12:32.38 | jm_ | bkw: do not use xhost, sux -, then run xclock to test it |
| 12:33.00 | HueHolleran | yves: you _have_ to do it _once_ (note the emphasis on the once!!) |
| 12:33.11 | jm_ | yves: 2.6 kernels have PnP support, you don't need isapnptools |
| 12:33.12 | bonden | nixxie: alright, thanks, I'll do that. but it is still strange that users can't access that dir even that they got the permissions... |
| 12:33.17 | jm_ | 2.4 has it too |
| 12:33.21 | paras | bizkit, this is the problem *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x0825c120 *** |
| 12:33.24 | HueHolleran | paras: what r u trying to achieve? are you trying to install some pkgs from testing? |
| 12:33.29 | bizkit | paras: so what is your real problem? |
| 12:33.31 | nixxie | bonden: there's more devices for sound. like /dev/dsp |
| 12:33.33 | bkw | jm_: Do you mean that "sux -" should be runned as root? |
| 12:33.34 | jm_ | paras: that's a bug in the application |
| 12:33.37 | paras | HueHolleran, yes |
| 12:33.38 | m0rbid | yves: yeah I fergot about that, jm_ is correct. |
| 12:33.38 | jm_ | bkw: no, as user |
| 12:33.48 | bizkit | paras: it's not the hold of gcc, it's the other package that requires you to do apt-get -f install |
| 12:33.54 | bizkit | paras: specify |
| 12:33.58 | m0rbid | yves, try installing discover? |
| 12:34.16 | bonden | nixxie; I have changed them too.. |
| 12:34.20 | bkw | jm_: that returns su: Authentication failure. Maybe the user have to be added in a list |
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| 12:34.26 | nixxie | bonden: my point. ;) |
| 12:34.26 | yves | m0rbid:discover? |
| 12:34.30 | jm_ | bkw: no, you have to enter root's password ... |
| 12:34.31 | HueHolleran | paras: why not pin in /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 12:34.42 | m0rbid | yves: apt-get install discover |
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| 12:34.52 | nixxie | bonden: change them back (chgrp audio /dev/XXX) and add the user to audio group |
| 12:34.54 | yves | m0rbid: OK |
| 12:34.59 | m0rbid | discover fixed my sons sound card. |
| 12:35.09 | javi_ | hi, which aplication could i use to see wireless networks availibles??? |
| 12:35.19 | m0rbid | airsnort |
| 12:35.20 | paras | HueHolleran, no prefence file :) |
| 12:35.27 | bizkit | HueHolleran: gcc-4.0 is set on hold, why pin things now? just because another package is not working? |
| 12:35.40 | bonden | nix: alright, thanks... |
| 12:35.43 | bkw | jm_: it works now. you are right, sux - works better than xhost +localhost. thanks |
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| 12:35.55 | javi_ | okis, thx |
| 12:37.15 | paras | bizkit, there are the two packaghes which are creaing problems gcc-4.0-base and libstdc++6 |
| 12:37.23 | paras | bizkit, i don't want them to upgrade |
| 12:37.42 | paras | but while apt-get -f install it is asking me to upgrade |
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| 12:37.59 | paras | bizkit, which file controls apt-get -f install |
| 12:38.06 | bizkit | paras: if the other packages you want to install depend on newer versions, this won't work |
| 12:38.21 | HueHolleran | paras: I've always had trouble trying to hold a few packages - here's how I did the same (sorry all about to paste a file) |
| 12:38.31 | HueHolleran | /etc/apt/preferences |
| 12:38.37 | HueHolleran | Package: * |
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| 12:38.42 | bizkit | HueHolleran: use a pastebin |
| 12:38.45 | yves | m0rbid: just finished discover. Nothing came out about the soundcard. Anything more to do with discover? |
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| 12:38.58 | bizkit | dpkg: tell HueHolleran about paste |
| 12:39.24 | paras | HueHolleran, what sud the enrty for preference file |
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| 12:39.41 | m0rbid | yves, sadly, no |
| 12:40.12 | m0rbid | I dont know how to do it without isapnptools, and even with that, its been a while. |
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| 12:40.47 | HueHolleran | paras: did you get that? |
| 12:40.47 | jm_ | read pnp.txt for some hints about that |
| 12:40.50 | bkw | Is prodvd found in dvd+rw-tools? xcdroast want it to be able to write dvd cds |
| 12:40.56 | paras | HueHolleran, no |
| 12:41.18 | jm_ | bkw: no, that's probably refereing to cdrecord-prodvd which is non-free, I don't think Debian distributes it |
| 12:41.20 | yves | m0rbid: Ho well! No big deal. I'll give a try with isapnptools and see. If not, no big deal. I'll get another PCI card. |
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| 12:41.49 | bkw | jm_: I understand. I use growisofs for writing dvd images anyway. |
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| 12:41.51 | HueHolleran | paras: sorry bizkit opened a window for me "dpkg" |
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| 12:41.57 | jm_ | bkw: me too |
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| 12:42.05 | bonden | hey. is there a way to get the old owners permissions back in /dev/* under debian etch? i've been running alsa's snddevices and been messing around with chmod * my self. is there a magic word to tell the system? is there? |
| 12:42.11 | peppo | how can I reconfigure clock settings with the proper tools? since a week or so ago, my clock is always set one hour forward in time (I'm in GMT+1 and the hardware clock is set to that exactly). |
| 12:42.27 | jm_ | peppo: is your UTC setting reflecting that? |
| 12:42.48 | peppo | jm_, I don't know what my UTC settings are. /etc/localtime points correctly to Europe/Stockholm |
| 12:42.55 | peppo | this is listed in /etc/timezone as well |
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| 12:43.15 | peppo | every time I have run rdate against my nearest time server to get it to reflect. |
| 12:43.24 | jm_ | peppo: /etc/default/rcS |
| 12:43.24 | peppo | (or, er, set for the correct time) |
| 12:43.39 | HueHolleran | can someone help me with a "pastebin", please? |
| 12:43.47 | paras | HueHolleran, which line sud i change in pref file? |
| 12:43.59 | peppo | jm_, it was set to no. |
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| 12:44.30 | paras | HueHolleran, i just want apt-get -f install to stop upgrading some packages |
| 12:44.31 | jm_ | peppo: then it's fine as long as your BIOS clock is not set to UTC |
| 12:44.39 | jm_ | HueHolleran: pastebin site or what? |
| 12:45.03 | peppo | jm_, my clock is set to my exact time. |
| 12:45.11 | jm_ | peppo: right, it's fine |
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| 12:45.16 | peppo | then something else is wrong. |
| 12:45.23 | HueHolleran | bizkit said to use a "pastebin" - what's a pastebin? |
| 12:45.32 | jm_ | HueHolleran: /msg dpkg paste |
| 12:45.38 | jm_ | peppet: /msg dpkg setting time |
| 12:45.42 | cahoot | peppo: not dualbooting to win by chance? |
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| 12:45.53 | peppo | cahoot, yes, but haven't rebooted for weeks |
| 12:46.25 | bonden | is there a way to restore /dev/ ? I am using etch. |
| 12:46.34 | faisal_d | guys i just did reconfiguration for my xserver-xfree86, but it still doesn't like my mouse... i chose /dev/input/mouse.... what should it be? |
| 12:46.38 | peppo | that doesn't help met at all though :/ |
| 12:46.52 | peppo | my computer consistently launches with one hour offset in the future., |
| 12:46.56 | peppo | it's extremely annoying |
| 12:47.22 | jm_ | go through those steps, and you'll see if it works after that |
| 12:47.26 | peppo | I could make a script that runs rdate time.server, but that would make it depend on an internet connection |
| 12:47.29 | cahoot | peppo: as in GMT+2? |
| 12:47.34 | peppo | yes |
| 12:47.37 | peppo | but I'm in +1 |
| 12:47.46 | HueHolleran | paras: it's here - http://channels.debian.net/paste/1409 - hey that was cool, thanks bizkit |
| 12:47.55 | HueHolleran | thanks jm_ |
| 12:47.57 | jm_ | run TZ=UTC date, verify that it's correct |
| 12:48.10 | peppo | TZ isn't set |
| 12:48.21 | Kvant | peppo, or do "date -u" |
| 12:48.37 | peppo | date -u is one hour behind current actual time. |
| 12:48.44 | Kvant | 12:48:44 |
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| 12:48.48 | Kvant | like that? |
| 12:48.49 | peppo | tor dec 29 12:48:25 UTC 2005 |
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| 12:48.56 | jm_ | so your clock is not set properly or your UTC setting isn't, pick one |
| 12:48.58 | Kvant | as it should be |
| 12:49.05 | jm_ | wait that's correct UTC time! |
| 12:49.14 | SimonRaven | yes |
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| 12:49.21 | Kvant | peppo, what does "date" say? |
| 12:49.21 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 12:49.23 | peppo | I do rdate ntp.kth.se |
| 12:49.28 | peppo | tor dec 29 13:49:23 CET 2005 |
| 12:49.29 | jm_ | someone is confused here ;) |
| 12:49.29 | paras | HueHolleran, thanks |
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| 12:49.42 | Kvant | peppo, so what's the problem? |
| 12:49.45 | peppo | date is the same as hwclock |
| 12:49.49 | jm_ | CET? you're not in CET timezone |
| 12:49.51 | SimonRaven | i do 192.168.1.1 :P |
| 12:49.53 | peppo | Kvant, every time I boot the time is one hour in the future |
| 12:50.13 | Kvant | so if you would reboot now, it would be 13:50? |
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| 12:50.21 | peppo | Kvant, no, it'd be 14:50 |
| 12:50.21 | Kvant | um: 14:50? |
| 12:50.22 | cahoot | peppo: what's does hwclock return? |
| 12:50.23 | peppo | the time is 13:50 here. |
| 12:50.24 | jm_ | the steps listed in "/msg dpkg setting time" will fix that if done properly |
| 12:50.38 | peppo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.46 | peppo | jm_, they have been, I assure you |
| 12:50.52 | peppo | cahoot, # hwclock |
| 12:50.52 | peppo | tor 29 dec 2005 13.50.48 -0.980660 seconds |
| 12:51.03 | jm_ | peppo: that's the same as CET then, I thought you're one hour ahead of us |
| 12:51.07 | cahoot | peppo: helt rätt ju |
| 12:51.17 | drivamgr2006 | !tell Kvant about setting time |
| 12:51.19 | peppo | cahoot, ja, men mitt problem är inte nu! |
| 12:51.26 | peppo | my problem is when I boot |
| 12:51.29 | peppo | the clock is set correctly _now_ |
| 12:51.32 | Kvant | drivamgr2006, what? |
| 12:51.43 | peppo | because I've run rdate against my time server |
| 12:51.47 | peppo | if I'd reboot now, it'd be wrong |
| 12:51.53 | jm_ | peppet: verify the time in BIOS after Linux is shutdown and before you power off or boot it again |
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| 12:52.01 | drivamgr2006 | you should have a message from dpkg Kvant, telling you about setting your time. |
| 12:52.04 | peppo | I'll reboot |
| 12:52.08 | Eulex | peppo, broken cmos clock? |
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| 12:52.14 | Kvant | drivamgr2006, my time is perfectly correct! |
| 12:52.41 | cahoot | Eulex: exactly 1h wrong? |
| 12:52.57 | bonden | mama. before only root could use the audio devices, and now when I made every user belong to the audio group it is still only root that can use the sound devices. |
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| 12:53.02 | Eulex | cahoot, ah, sorry, haven't read the scrollback |
| 12:53.11 | drivamgr2006 | sorry Kvant - i misread the message. My mistake |
| 12:53.17 | drivamgr2006 | !beer Kvant |
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| 12:55.02 | drivamgr2006 | I gotta go do my ashopping anyhow. Only one country on earth could make me feel at home, other thn home. England - we have snow up to our doorsteps in some places!!! |
| 12:55.23 | goccia | ahhhh London ahhhh |
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| 12:55.35 | goccia | don't say that or i'll cry |
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| 12:55.52 | drivamgr2006 | why goccia? |
| 12:55.56 | peppo | so now I've rebooted, and my system time is 14:55, which is one hour in the future. |
| 12:56.11 | peppo | hwclock says 13:56 |
| 12:56.13 | goccia | drivamgr2006: best days of my life in London ahhhh |
| 12:56.14 | jm_ | peppet: did you check the time in BIOS during reboot? |
| 12:56.18 | peppo | # date |
| 12:56.18 | peppo | tor dec 29 14:56:14 CET 2005 |
| 12:56.36 | peppo | jm_, yes, like I did earlier this morning as well. it's exactly the right time. |
| 12:56.36 | drivamgr2006 | England is home now, but I was born in reykjavik goccia... Thats why I like england, the weathr is so close! |
| 12:56.45 | peppet | jm_, pep[tab][tab] |
| 12:56.49 | jm_ | peppo: wtf |
| 12:56.52 | peppo | 'twas 13:53 or something then. which is GMT+1 |
| 12:56.54 | jm_ | peppet: doesn't work, sorry |
| 12:57.11 | peppet | jm_, ;) |
| 12:57.16 | drivamgr2006 | anyhoo, see ya all later |
| 12:57.29 | peppo | I'll try to change that UTC setting |
| 12:58.05 | jm_ | I doubt that'll help him - it might work for the first reboot |
| 12:58.18 | sewi | I compiled kernel 2.6.14 but when typed 'lsmod' instead of numbers ocurring next to the shown modules I get "-"s. What option in 'make menuconfig' is resposnible for this? |
| 12:58.47 | jm_ | sewi: did you check /proc/modules? |
| 13:00.25 | sewi | jm_: no... I can mention that all modules are working well but lsmod doesnt work as on default Sarge kernel 2.4.2 |
| 13:00.51 | jm_ | sewi: I haven't tried using 2.4 since I installed module-init-tools |
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| 13:01.10 | jm_ | but I wouldn't worry too much about it either way |
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| 13:01.32 | peppo | in the earliest bootup stages it says "Local time 13:59" |
| 13:01.35 | peppo | which is correct |
| 13:01.40 | peppo | but when the login prompt appears, it was 15:00 |
| 13:01.49 | peppo | so it's still one hour in the future |
| 13:02.01 | Eulex | peppo, is your timezone set correctly? |
| 13:02.10 | peppo | yes |
| 13:02.16 | peppo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.17 | jm_ | that's as if the UTC setting has no effect, or timezone is wrong, but both are OK |
| 13:03.04 | Eulex | hmm |
| 13:03.05 | peppo | the thing is... my BIOS battery/memory is fucked. if I unplug the power, settings are lost. but in this case power has been on all the time... |
| 13:03.08 | jm_ | actually I see two entries related to clock in boot logfile |
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| 13:04.02 | chrisg | hello everyone |
| 13:04.06 | peppo | now hwclock suddenly is the wrong time |
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| 13:04.53 | DarkOppressor | where is the sources.list file located? |
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| 13:05.02 | peppo | DarkOppressor, /etc/apt/ |
| 13:05.09 | DarkOppressor | thanks, forgot xD |
| 13:05.27 | jm_ | man page would have told you |
| 13:05.27 | SnuS | hello. anyone around ? my bind is not really working properly. it won't solve my local domains, even though it loads them. ** server can't find intranet.gds.ro: SERVFAIL. can anyone help me debug ? |
| 13:05.54 | DarkOppressor | man page for what? |
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| 13:06.04 | Eulex | man sources.list |
| 13:06.09 | DarkOppressor | oh |
| 13:06.12 | DarkOppressor | cool |
| 13:06.26 | erik__ | I keep getting this error whenever I apt-get |
| 13:06.26 | erik__ | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 13:06.26 | erik__ | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 13:06.26 | erik__ | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 13:06.36 | DarkOppressor | :o |
| 13:07.12 | goccia | peppet: did you check /etc/default/rcS ? |
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| 13:07.32 | goccia | hmm |
| 13:07.40 | goccia | peppo: did you check /etc/default/rcS ? |
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| 13:08.30 | Eulex | erik__, don't paste in here. but try this: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:08.41 | chrisg | I'm trying to do a netinstall using the latest testing cd image, using aptitude I do see all the packages I expect to see e.g. apache and openssh-server |
| 13:09.05 | erik__ | Eulex: Sorry about that, it actually booted me for that. I'll try that, thanks. |
| 13:09.34 | DarkOppressor | whats a terminal based mp3 player? |
| 13:09.43 | Eulex | DarkOppressor, mpg123/mpg321 |
| 13:09.46 | tiCo89 | mpg321 |
| 13:09.46 | DarkOppressor | thanks |
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| 13:09.54 | erik__ | Eulex: it gave me an error. It said, "Conflicting error --control and --remove" |
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| 13:09.59 | nkuttler | DarkOppressor: cplay is a nice frontend to them |
| 13:10.07 | DarkOppressor | nkuttler: ok |
| 13:10.18 | Eulex | erik__, umh... could you use paster to paste the full error? |
| 13:10.36 | erik__ | sure, 1 sec. |
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| 13:10.47 | doojin | hi |
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| 13:11.40 | Eulex | chrisg, you've probably gotten a bad mirror. btw, you shouldn't use the etch beta installer and you don't really need to either. |
| 13:11.41 | DarkOppressor | is there a way to look up like just games in apt-get or something? |
| 13:12.08 | doojin | Eulex : hi |
| 13:12.14 | Eulex | doojin, lo |
| 13:12.16 | erik__ | Eulex: http://pastebin.com/482794 |
| 13:12.21 | doojin | Eulex : Are you busy? |
| 13:12.36 | Eulex | doojin, ask your question if you've got one |
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| 13:12.44 | chrisg | I think the etch installer is the only one that recongnises my sata drive and e100 network card |
| 13:13.02 | doojin | Eulex : I want to add more friends in my messenger, do you use a messenger? |
| 13:13.04 | HueHolleran | DarkOppressor: apt-cache search games ? |
| 13:13.06 | goccia | DarkOppressor: apt-cache search --names-only games ? |
| 13:13.41 | DarkOppressor | cool, thanks guys |
| 13:13.51 | Eulex | chrisg, oh, ok. you could try changing mirror, or try the unofficial etch installer with a 2.6.12 kernel: |
| 13:13.54 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 13:13.54 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.12 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
| 13:13.59 | jm_ | chrisg: there's no reason 2.6.14 Sarge installer wouldn't do the same |
| 13:14.00 | Eulex | umh |
| 13:14.04 | SerajewelKS | i'm trying to sync with my palm using kpilot. if I delete a bunch of to-dos using kpilot, korganizer, or kontact, then sync, the to-dos are restored instead of being deleted from the pilot. the same goes for the calendar data -- any modifications on the computer are clobbered by the pilot's data. the kpilot settings are configured to ask me if there is a conflict. how can i fix this? |
| 13:14.04 | jm_ | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 13:14.04 | dpkg | methinks sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 13:14.07 | doojin | uhu |
| 13:14.12 | Eulex | unofficial *sarge* install with 2.6.12 |
| 13:14.18 | doojin | huh |
| 13:14.23 | HueHolleran | erik__: the command is "dpkg-reconfigure" - and needs a package? |
| 13:14.32 | DarkOppressor | when im in a terminal, is there anyway to scroll the view back up? |
| 13:14.38 | Eulex | doojin, depends on your messenger |
| 13:14.40 | jm_ | try shift+pageup |
| 13:14.50 | doojin | Eulex : I use msn, aol |
| 13:14.57 | lish | somebody can tell me is there any difference between changing the /etc/sudoers using "#visudo" and "# vi /etc/sudoers" ? |
| 13:14.58 | erik__ | HueHolleran: I'm getting locale errors when I apt-get, Eulex said I should reconfigure. It's one word though? let me try that |
| 13:15.00 | chrisg | can you post the link to the sarge 2.6.14 installer - there seems to be many installers around, thanks |
| 13:15.10 | HueHolleran | erik__: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:15.12 | Eulex | erik__, 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' |
| 13:15.13 | SerajewelKS | lish: visudo maintains a lock on the file and verifies its syntax |
| 13:15.14 | jm_ | chriswk: dpkg just told you - /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 13:15.20 | jm_ | chrisg ^^^^^ |
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| 13:15.42 | DarkOppressor | jm_: nope |
| 13:15.45 | erik__ | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 13:15.48 | lish | SerajewelKS: Thanks ,i know all left. |
| 13:15.49 | Eulex | lish, yes. you should use visudo |
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| 13:16.06 | doojin | Eulex : Do you have a messenger id? |
| 13:16.07 | Eulex | erik__, apt-get install locales? |
| 13:16.16 | chrisg | this is my first time on irc, not sure what /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 means |
| 13:16.22 | erik__ | ok, trying that. |
| 13:16.26 | Eulex | doojin, yes, but why would I give it to you? |
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| 13:16.29 | rohan | hi all |
| 13:16.38 | rohan | on debian, can rar handle password protected rar archives ? |
| 13:16.45 | doojin | Eulex : I want to add more foreign friends in my messenger |
| 13:16.47 | rohan | !rar |
| 13:16.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about unrar |
| 13:16.51 | SerajewelKS | the hell, now korganizer simply will *not* let me "save as" |
| 13:16.59 | doojin | Eulex : There are only my classmates in my msn |
| 13:17.00 | SerajewelKS | i mean it accepts the filename, but then doesn't save the file |
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| 13:17.07 | indio74 | ciao a tutti |
| 13:17.14 | nixxie | lol @ dpkg |
| 13:17.20 | nixxie | wh4t d00ds |
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| 13:17.22 | indio74 | c'e' qualche italiano |
| 13:17.28 | indio74 | che ne sa di linux |
| 13:17.29 | indio74 | :) |
| 13:17.34 | SerajewelKS | er, it saves the file, but the open box doesn't show it |
| 13:17.45 | Eulex | chrisg, if you enter /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14, the bot dpkg will tell you about the sarge installer with a 2.6.14 kernel |
| 13:17.46 | Eulex | !it |
| 13:17.47 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 13:17.58 | indio74 | grazie |
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| 13:18.04 | jm_ | DarkOppressor: what terminal is it? |
| 13:18.12 | erik__ | Eulex: It's giving me a broken package errors saying I need glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22 but I already have libc6 and it won't load with that in it |
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| 13:18.37 | doojin | Eulex : I guess you don't want to tell me |
| 13:18.52 | Eulex | doojin, correct |
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| 13:19.09 | DarkOppressor | jm_L nevermind it does work, thanks |
| 13:19.13 | DarkOppressor | jm:* |
| 13:19.18 | DarkOppressor | jm_:* |
| 13:19.20 | DarkOppressor | bah typos |
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| 13:19.22 | jm_ | heh |
| 13:19.35 | row | if I delete something but the free space is not created how can I force the system to refresh it, I deteled some files with k3b and its not showing with df? |
| 13:19.45 | Eulex | erik__, umh... there's no package named glibc in debian. it's named libc6. what does apt-cache policy locales say? |
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| 13:20.49 | erik__ | Eulex: http://pastebin.com/482796 |
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| 13:21.05 | jm_ | row: deleted them with k3b? |
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| 13:21.43 | m0dY | Hello all,,, is there any way to get to connect to the boot load over a network ? |
| 13:21.49 | Eulex | erik__, could you pastebin what happened when you did apt-get install locales? |
| 13:21.55 | row | jm: k3b the burning app, move to trash is normally like rm -rf but it did not do it this time, files have gone but no free space created. |
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| 13:22.10 | erik__ | Eulex: Sure thing. Hold on a sec... |
| 13:22.18 | jm_ | row: maybe you have to empty the trash, never used it really |
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| 13:22.39 | row | jm_ ther is not trash thingy. |
| 13:22.42 | chrisg | ok, I got the link will it. I have another question: I want to use the scsi-idle patch, will it work for kernel 2.6? |
| 13:22.43 | row | +e |
| 13:22.55 | jm_ | row: how did you move it there then? |
| 13:22.56 | chrisg | I think is is for 2.4.35 or something |
| 13:23.09 | m0dY | Sorry if you coulde take it spamming when i repeat my question....But.. Is there any way to get to connect to the boot load over a network ? |
| 13:23.18 | m0dY | ? |
| 13:23.18 | erik__ | Eulex: http://pastebin.com/482800 |
| 13:23.20 | row | jm_: move to trash normally acts like rm -rf, never had this happen before. |
| 13:23.29 | jm_ | m0dY: what do you mean? |
| 13:23.40 | jm_ | row: sorry I never used k3b, maybe try #kde or #debian-kde |
| 13:23.42 | row | jm_: it can't of been a move, it would of taken longer. |
| 13:23.50 | row | jm_: I don't use kde |
| 13:24.13 | jm_ | row: it's a KDE based app |
| 13:24.16 | azeem | row: mv does not copy the data when it sits on the same file system |
| 13:24.18 | m0dY | jm_: well,,that i wanna control the os choices the boot loader boots remotely... |
| 13:24.26 | azeem | only the inodes are mangled to point to the new location |
| 13:24.31 | row | azeem: I know but its not same filesystem |
| 13:24.35 | azeem | ok |
| 13:24.37 | smeagol | is kanotix running, or planning to start running a dcc kernel? anyone know? |
| 13:24.39 | m0dY | you know like i connect to the boot load at the machine start then tell it what to load |
| 13:24.48 | jm_ | m0dY: you can do that over serial console, or by configuring the boot loader before you reboot it |
| 13:24.57 | azeem | GNOME has per file system Trashes, btw |
| 13:25.17 | row | jake@slugger:/mnt/datastore$ ls -a |
| 13:25.17 | row | . .. lost+found Private Public .Trash-0 |
| 13:25.18 | row | ah! |
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| 13:25.34 | Eulex | erik__, libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 provides glibc 2.3.2.ds1-22 -- what does apt-cache policy libc6 and apt-get install libc6 say? |
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| 13:25.38 | m0dY | another thing Is ... i wanna also connect to the machine remotely before loading the os... so i can install my own distro; or whatever |
| 13:25.58 | jm_ | m0dY: you can buy VGA repeaters too |
| 13:26.17 | row | azeem: that did it, cheers for that, must use same method as GNOME then :) |
| 13:26.26 | m0dY | well..i only have root SSH access on the machine i wanna do this to |
| 13:26.33 | m0dY | ad it's over internet.. not a LAN |
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| 13:27.18 | m0dY | jm_: |
| 13:27.20 | m0dY | ? |
| 13:27.25 | jm_ | m0dY: ! |
| 13:27.50 | m0dY | jm_: i wanna also connect to the machine remotely before loading the os... so i can install any linux distro. i want |
| 13:27.57 | erik__ | Eulex: http://pastebin.com/482804 |
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| 13:28.24 | megabit | hi. |
| 13:28.32 | jm_ | m0dY: yes, serial console or VGA+kleyboard repeater |
| 13:28.55 | Eulex | erik__, there's your problem. you've got the libc6 from unstable. |
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| 13:29.12 | Phated | Ehm... you can't actually connect to an SSH server... when the server isn't up? |
| 13:29.16 | m0dY | i think serial console needs to have a physical access on the box |
| 13:29.26 | m0dY | i don't mean ssh |
| 13:29.30 | m0dY | Phated: |
| 13:29.40 | Eulex | erik__, apt-get install libc6/stable |
| 13:29.41 | erik__ | Eulex: I was just thinking that, I needed it the other day for another program. should i uninstall and reinstall the stable one? |
| 13:29.51 | erik__ | Eulex: Ok, hold on. |
| 13:29.52 | Phated | Ah. |
| 13:29.55 | jm_ | yes, i.e. you ssh to a machine that has physical access and run minicom on it or whatever |
| 13:30.01 | Phated | Ah-hah. |
| 13:30.05 | m0dY | i mean something let me get the screen of the machine after boot and also before booting the os so i can install my own distro. i want |
| 13:30.08 | Eulex | erik__, you should install the stable one. having the libc6 from unstable on sarge will just give you problems |
| 13:32.03 | megabit | Can you help me? I want to convert from sid to etch, I must only change source.list?? |
| 13:32.03 | m0dY | jm_: minicom ?! |
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| 13:32.03 | Eulex | megabit, no. there is no easy way to downgrade. |
| 13:32.03 | erik__ | Eulex: Alright. It's giving me a hefty warning message about downgrading. I assume it's safe though? |
| 13:32.03 | m0dY | you know about KVM over IP |
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| 13:32.04 | Eulex | erik__, should be. |
| 13:32.04 | m0dY | it's somehow simulation what i want exactly except that it gets you the machine from it's booting |
| 13:32.04 | m0dY | as if you have a physical access on it |
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| 13:32.11 | erik__ | Eulex: It's removing a ton of stuff... hmm |
| 13:32.14 | ice_1963 | what sound daemon do kde konqueror use for flashplayer? |
| 13:32.15 | m0dY | it communicates with the 'keyboard/mouse/monitor' |
| 13:32.27 | megabit | Eulex: What way ist easier?? |
| 13:32.47 | Eulex | erik__, umh... didn't you check what it was going to do before saying yes? |
| 13:32.55 | m0dY | but in my case i want something to get to have access on the keyboard/mouse/screen after the machine is booted |
| 13:33.05 | Phated | Eulex: Don't you wish people did that? |
| 13:33.08 | m0dY | and also before GRUB boots |
| 13:33.37 | Eulex | megabit, if you just installed -- reinstall. otherwise you're SOL. |
| 13:33.53 | m0dY | jm_: ! |
| 13:34.11 | Eulex | erik__, I'd press CTRL-C if I didn't know what it was going to do |
| 13:34.19 | jm_ | m0dY: there's no way other than serial console or KVM over IP |
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| 13:34.46 | m0dY | jm_: well.. |
| 13:34.51 | megabit | Eulex: I hove it some time. And I know sid is realy unstable. And I want etch. |
| 13:34.55 | erik__ | Eulex: Not really... good thing it crashed out. here's the output. http://pastebin.com/482809 |
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| 13:35.50 | m0dY | jm_: so another thing.. can i simulate a debian istallation to be automatically done ? |
| 13:35.58 | erik__ | Eulex: Oh wow, I just read what it said. It was removing the whole system. |
| 13:36.08 | Eulex | megabit, you can (1) downgrade all packages manually (2) reinstall. those are your options. |
| 13:36.57 | jm_ | m0dY: yes |
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| 13:37.06 | sdhawley | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 13:37.15 | m0dY | jm_: i have only also ssh root access and wana do a fresh debian installation and make everything preconfigured before rebooting,,, i was doing this on RedHat like systems by using Grub & Kickstart files.. |
| 13:37.18 | Eulex | erik__... you've potentially hosed your system by entering the 'Yes, do as I say!' phrase |
| 13:37.20 | megabit | Eulex, And I can change source.list and do apt-get update, upgrade?? |
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| 13:37.40 | jm_ | m0dY: pre-seeding, read about this on the Debian installer web page (docs and Wiki sections) |
| 13:37.46 | e-devil | megabit: and then you do 'man apt_preferences' |
| 13:37.53 | m0dY | jm_: gr8,, how could that be done as i have now the distro. running on the system is CentOS 4 ?!?! |
| 13:37.55 | erik__ | Eulex: Yep, I was thinking that myself... Should I attempt to reinstall all those packages (i don't use kde anyway) or just do a reinstall? |
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| 13:38.24 | jm_ | m0dY: well if you want to install it from running Linux then you don't need pre-seeding, that's covered by installation manual |
| 13:38.30 | erik__ | ...can I even reinstall base-config? |
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| 13:38.59 | m0dY | jm_: so what to use ? |
| 13:39.12 | Eulex | megabit, you could apt-pin to testing and try dist-upgrade. |
| 13:39.17 | m0dY | jm_: where in the manuall exactly :) ? |
| 13:39.18 | Eulex | erik__, you could try. |
| 13:39.31 | jm_ | m0dY: the chapter is self evident |
| 13:39.59 | erik__ | Eulex: Alright, I will. But even after all this, it seems there's no way to downgrade libc6 to stable? |
| 13:40.11 | erik__ | ...without wiping out the system that is |
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| 13:40.30 | m0dY | jm_: sorry, can you point me to this page :) |
| 13:40.32 | ys76 | Hi! - I am looking for a reliable backup-soluton for about 60 servers (sorry, bust mostly win) which is really easy to use (due to my win-admins) - Anybody? |
| 13:40.36 | TNKS | hi all. I'm curious. It seems there's a number of revision control tools out there, and also a lot of dpkg/apt scripts too. I'm wondering what a good way to maintain a set of patches to a debian package might be. I'm starting with `apt-get source` to get the package. Is there a revison control system that might make it easy to maintain my own changes to the package but also allow for upstream changes to roll in (say with apt-get source)? |
| 13:40.48 | jm_ | m0dY: bah, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 13:40.50 | Eulex | erik__, there is, but there seems like you have upgraded more packages to the unstable version than libc6. you'll have to find out which and downgrade all at the same time. otherwise it'll try to remove your full system again. |
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| 13:41.07 | jm_ | ys76: take a look at backuppc |
| 13:41.19 | erik__ | Eulex: How do you downgrade multiple packages at a time? |
| 13:41.19 | goccia | erik__: i've done that : i installed sid libc6 on ssarge and back using dpkg |
| 13:41.27 | ys76 | jm_: I#ll give it a try |
| 13:41.30 | TNKS | I was thinking about darcs, because it seems pretty straight-forward, but I thought maybe someone here has done this kind of thing already. |
| 13:41.44 | jhenn | hi. my X has a 1" green line about 3/4 down that below that line is mirroring the top of the screen and I don't know why its doing this. |
| 13:41.48 | erik__ | goccia: That's how I got the unstable version, I downloaded it and manually dpkg'd it in. |
| 13:41.55 | Eulex | erik__, apt-get install foo/stable bar/stable foo2/stable bar2/stable etc |
| 13:42.03 | m0dY | jm_: xoxoxo |
| 13:42.10 | m0dY | jm_: will read it again :D |
| 13:42.23 | erik__ | Eulex: Yikes, this may take a while. lol. Thanks |
| 13:42.33 | goccia | erik__: not mya case : i wanted to try sid libc6 , i kept a list and i manually downgraded |
| 13:42.37 | goccia | my* |
| 13:42.37 | jm_ | m0dY: especially Section C |
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| 13:43.14 | ys76 | jm_: Hm, I think I need a tape-driven solution |
| 13:43.15 | megabit | Eulex, thanks but I think I stay by sid (: |
| 13:43.31 | m0dY | jm_: Preconfiguration File Example |
| 13:44.02 | Eulex | erik__, yep, it's a pain to manually downgrade. I did it with xorg once. |
| 13:44.03 | jhenn | what is the package name to reconfigure X? |
| 13:44.03 | Grant_ | OK so im still having the problem of my HDD constantly been loaded with data filling up my HDD space from 23% to 100% in under a week |
| 13:44.10 | erik__ | Problem. it appears It already removed my shells so I can't open any new bash shells or logon shells (no SU possibility) |
| 13:44.33 | m0dY | jm_: well i've got this file but can't get how it's used after editing |
| 13:44.33 | Eulex | !drxx jhenn |
| 13:44.33 | dpkg | jhenn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:44.42 | jm_ | m0dY: installation manual also covers automatic installations, as well as the resources I mentioned earlier |
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| 13:44.58 | wdamn | Hi, I've downloaded the first sarge dvd for amd64 with jigdo from my job internal mirrors: everything ok, but I have been told that amd64 is not in internal mirror - so, does jigdo take missing packages from other sources? |
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| 13:45.31 | m0dY | jm_: okay i'll recheck it again and try to get more concentration |
| 13:45.37 | Eulex | erik__, a potential work-around is using another shell if you have one or transferring one from another system |
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| 13:46.09 | ice_1963 | what sound daemon do kde konqueror use for flashplayer? pl |
| 13:46.25 | erik__ | Eulex: I have one SU shell open so I think I might be ok. *wipes sweat from forehead* lol |
| 13:46.56 | Eulex | erik__, ok. try apt-get install bash :) |
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| 13:48.49 | jhenn | my sound won't turn up in gnome... it keeps going back down to mute when i turn it up through the gnome applet |
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| 13:48.53 | necrite | hi all |
| 13:49.26 | Eulex | erik__, at least it didn't remove dpkg or apt from your system. |
| 13:49.57 | ice_1963 | you need to install alsa |
| 13:50.05 | necrite | i need some help with rsync.. i want to make incremental backups.. but y whant to download only the diff files.. instand all files.. any idea? |
| 13:50.10 | erik__ | Eulex: Yeah, I lucked out. It says I have bash, but when I try to apt get they all want to remove it. (to get a stable version of the programs) |
| 13:50.37 | erik__ | Eulex: As long as I'm using it I can continue to I just can't reopen it right? |
| 13:50.47 | stew | necrite: that's what rsync does. what specifically is your question? |
| 13:50.51 | Eulex | erik__, right |
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| 13:51.06 | erik__ | Eulex: Wew. |
| 13:51.09 | stew | jhenn: when does the volume go back down? when you open some other sound app or immediately or what? |
| 13:51.18 | necrite | stew, i whant to store ONLY the diff files.. |
| 13:51.37 | jhenn | stew: immediately |
| 13:51.45 | wdamn | anyone knows how jigdo-lite works? |
| 13:51.53 | Eulex | erik__, I just remembered something... problem is, when installing a package, it will need to run pre-inst and post-inst scripts with bash... |
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| 13:52.18 | Eulex | jhenn, is your sound configured at all? |
| 13:52.26 | ice_1963 | hello stew |
| 13:52.42 | erik__ | Eulex: ... I think I just ran into that problem.E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true |
| 13:52.43 | jm_ | Eulex: as it turns out, not all pre/post scripts are shell scripts |
| 13:52.46 | stew | necrite: you might look at dirvish, it will create a complete copy, but will use hardlinks so that the files that didn't change don't take up any more room |
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| 13:53.13 | sdhawley | with kde 3.5 installed on etch (2.6.12) I can only run it on top of gnome. The help suggests I "export" several bits of info. What is ment by "export" |
| 13:53.17 | jhenn | Eulex: no idea i thought it was auto detected |
| 13:53.25 | stew | jhenn: the gnome applet does affect the volume, it just very quickly gets changed again? you need to figure out what other application is changing the volume back |
| 13:53.43 | Eulex | erik__, yeah... have you got another machine running linux over there? |
| 13:53.47 | Eulex | jm_, oh, ok |
| 13:53.54 | nsdutch | Is anybody bored? Would you like to help me figure out a rather difficult .tar.gz? |
| 13:54.01 | Eulex | jhenn, installed alsa-utils and alsa-base and ran alsaconf? |
| 13:54.02 | erik__ | Eulex: Yep, I have my laptop. |
| 13:54.09 | stew | nsdutch: if you have a question, just ask it, don't ask to ask |
| 13:54.37 | nsdutch | Well I asked it earlier - was pointed to manuals etc and after reading over them. |
| 13:54.43 | nsdutch | I was like, okay - I've done that before. |
| 13:54.46 | nsdutch | http://www.sscx.net/asss/ |
| 13:54.52 | nsdutch | I can't get asss to install. |
| 13:54.59 | Eulex | erik__, possible to transfer bash to a floppy or burn it to a cd and then transfer it to this computer? that's about the only way you could save it by now. |
| 13:55.37 | erik__ | Eulex: Sure, any specific location I should copy it to? |
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| 13:57.12 | jhenn | why did install not ask me if i want to not use non-free software? |
| 13:57.22 | jm_ | apt-setup asks you that |
| 13:57.23 | asg | jhenn: by default, sarge no longer does. |
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| 13:57.32 | RichiH | jhenn: cause it does not do that any more |
| 13:57.33 | stew | asg!! wb! |
| 13:57.40 | biowalker | hi |
| 13:57.42 | phaedrus_ | hey hey |
| 13:57.46 | nsdutch | hey. x) |
| 13:57.49 | asg | nsdutch: unpack the tarball in /usr/local/asss ; run /usr/local/asss/bin/asss (worked fine here) |
| 13:57.53 | asg | stew: hiya :) |
| 13:57.55 | jhenn | RichiH: why? does that mean i might be using non-free software? |
| 13:57.59 | phaedrus_ | will someone go over my boot directory with me and tell me if i am missing a file? |
| 13:58.05 | Eulex | erik__, well, you need /bin/sh and /bin/bash. I don't think you'll need more for basic operation of bash to work. |
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| 13:58.09 | biowalker | can someone tell me, how to check integrity of packages, that don't have md5sums? |
| 13:58.10 | phaedrus_ | hey Eulex |
| 13:58.14 | RichiH | jhenn: presumbly, to make it harder to use non-free |
| 13:58.21 | biowalker | debsums tells me, there are quite a few of them |
| 13:58.37 | erik__ | Eulex: Alright I'll give it a try. |
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| 14:01.04 | nsdutch | asg: Are you running /usr/local/asss/bin/asss from #\su? |
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| 14:01.24 | asg | nsdutch: no, as a non-root user |
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| 14:01.51 | asg | nsdutch: I don't run it per se, I just downloaded the tarball and ran it to verify that it didn't segfault or complain. |
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| 14:02.52 | BusMaster | hey, I'm using sarge/stable, but some of the cool new software I want to use wants versions of gnomelibs/kdelibs/libc beyond those I have. How do I switch to testing (which I believe offers more current software, at the price of stability) |
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| 14:03.13 | asg | BusMaster: /msg dpkg stable->testing (or look for a backport) |
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| 14:03.34 | stew | BusMaster: is the software you want packaged for testing/unstable? |
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| 14:03.58 | BusMaster | stew, i don't know.. |
| 14:03.59 | TinoW | hi |
| 14:04.03 | BusMaster | asg, thanks |
| 14:04.13 | erik__ | Eulex: What would a flash drive be listed as if not sda? I appear to have no sda devices in my /dev folder. |
| 14:04.16 | stew | BusMaster: what is it? or /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:04.26 | asg | BusMaster: you're welcome |
| 14:04.30 | jhenn | Eulex: my sound still isn't working |
| 14:04.35 | stew | erik__: are you running udev? |
| 14:04.38 | BusMaster | stew, ksudoku its a KDE based Su Doku game |
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| 14:05.12 | erik__ | stew: Haha, I'm not running much. I just tried to downgrade libc6 and lost most of my system. How can I find out? |
| 14:05.18 | TinoW | is there a way to clean up /var/lib/dpkg/status and friends to remove entries of deinstalled packages? |
| 14:05.26 | stew | BusMaster: that appears to not yet be packaged, what version of kdelibs / libc6 does it want? |
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| 14:05.44 | asg | TinoW: define 'deinstalled' packages |
| 14:05.58 | stew | erik__: does "dpkg -l udev" return a line starting with ii? if so what version is it? |
| 14:06.06 | BusMaster | stew: it is. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/ksudoku |
| 14:06.06 | TinoW | asg: Status: purge ok not-installed for example |
| 14:06.24 | asg | TinoW: do they show up in the output of 'dpkg -l' ? |
| 14:06.47 | RichiH | there is a kde sudoku? |
| 14:06.49 | RichiH | argh! |
| 14:06.53 | RichiH | why must you tell me |
| 14:06.59 | RichiH | my spare time, gone it is |
| 14:07.00 | erik__ | stew: It doesn't have an ii but it does say udev and version 0.056-3 |
| 14:07.12 | stew | BusMaster: you could try to backport it then, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:07.14 | BusMaster | stew, the page unfortunately does not specify sarge or testing...i tried apt-get install ksudoku but it said no such file found |
| 14:07.18 | nsdutch | asg: I must be retarded - I'm getting errors. No bin File found, etc. |
| 14:07.32 | asg | nsdutch: did you download the binaries or the source tarball? |
| 14:07.39 | abrotman | RichiH: you know .. you could just *not* install it :) |
| 14:07.40 | nsdutch | adg: binaries |
| 14:07.48 | RichiH | abrotman: i will try to |
| 14:07.49 | abrotman | asg: flee!!! |
| 14:07.49 | asg | RichiH: apparently, wesnoth also has a Sudoku mode |
| 14:07.50 | nsdutch | asg - sorry. |
| 14:07.54 | stew | nsdutch: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:07.56 | asg | abrotman: too late |
| 14:07.57 | TinoW | asg: no |
| 14:08.00 | RichiH | asg: i do not play wesnoth |
| 14:08.04 | nsdutch | SimplyMEPIS |
| 14:08.07 | asg | TinoW: then I wouldn't worry about those entries |
| 14:08.12 | RichiH | asg: i do not have enought time as it is |
| 14:08.14 | abrotman | nsdutch: #mepis |
| 14:08.16 | stew | nsdutch: you are in the wrong channel then |
| 14:08.20 | nsdutch | Alright. |
| 14:08.21 | abrotman | RichiH: get rid of the wife/kids! |
| 14:08.24 | TinoW | asg: my impression is it takes more and more time to scan the package list |
| 14:08.28 | nsdutch | See you guys la.tar |
| 14:08.31 | bibe | BusMaster : there's a .deb package for ksudoku in both sid and b.d.o |
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| 14:08.35 | RichiH | abrotman: i have a gf, that's it |
| 14:08.41 | BusMaster | bibe, b.d.o ? |
| 14:08.42 | RichiH | she is the one to keep me sane ;) |
| 14:08.43 | asg | TinoW: are you really that strapped for CPU? |
| 14:08.46 | abrotman | RichiH: oh .. i thought you were married |
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| 14:08.50 | bibe | backports.debian.org |
| 14:08.50 | RichiH | abrotman: nope |
| 14:09.14 | TinoW | asg: also is there a way to purge a package and all the depencies recursively (unless other packages depend on them) ? |
| 14:09.24 | asg | TinoW: if that's the case, you can try removing such entries (make a backup first) |
| 14:09.32 | TinoW | asg: well it seems to take more and more time. If its CPU, dont know. Its a P4/1.7G |
| 14:09.35 | asg | TinoW: deborphan or aptitude |
| 14:09.48 | stew | TinoW: if you use aptitude to install them, it is done automatically when you remove them with aptitude. otherwise /msg dpkg deborphan |
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| 14:10.01 | jhenn | can someone help me get my sound working? I installed alsa-base and alsa-utils and ran alsaconf but its still not working. In gnome when i turn the sound up it immediatly goes back to mute. |
| 14:10.01 | asg | TinoW: how many sources do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:10.10 | bibe | BusMaster : sorry, I use to refer to backports.debian.org as b.d.o, but /msg dpkg bdo says it's bugs.debian.org |
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| 14:10.25 | BusMaster | bibe, heh..okay. thanks |
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| 14:10.36 | TinoW | asg: 2 |
| 14:10.46 | wilian | fgdsg |
| 14:10.50 | wilian | kpp] |
| 14:10.53 | asg | TinoW: hmm okay, just checking |
| 14:11.04 | stew | !bdo is also ask my about <bts> or also http://backports.debian.org ask me about <backports> |
| 14:11.04 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 14:11.11 | phaedrus_ | Eulex: you around? |
| 14:11.12 | De_Mon | can I force an ntp syncronize using ntpdc or another tool while ntpd is running? |
| 14:11.22 | cahoot | no |
| 14:11.25 | TinoW | asg: I never got used to aptitude so far. apt-cache search/apt-get install seemed so easy ;) |
| 14:11.31 | RichiH | De_Mon: sure |
| 14:11.37 | RichiH | ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 14:11.43 | asg | TinoW: yeah, I agree. Use deborphan then. It isn't perfect but will help. |
| 14:11.46 | Eulex | erik__, well, udev got uninstalled. therefore it's quite likely that a flash memory may not work. tried to see if the device of your cd drive or floppy is still around? |
| 14:11.46 | stew | TinoW: aptitude search ; aptitude install should be the same |
| 14:11.49 | Eulex | phaedrus_, yes |
| 14:11.54 | phaedrus_ | cool |
| 14:12.04 | TinoW | steri: oh, I can use it with args? Didnt know |
| 14:12.07 | phaedrus_ | you gave some links to install debian the other day |
| 14:12.22 | phaedrus_ | i did a recompile of the linux im using now |
| 14:12.22 | bibe | stew : thanks for updating the bot |
| 14:12.29 | De_Mon | RichiH ntpdate is "depriciated" in favor of using ntpd -q -- but that doesnt seem to work while ntpd is running |
| 14:12.36 | phaedrus_ | now i want to do a straight debian with kde.... |
| 14:12.45 | phaedrus_ | can you give me a hand? |
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| 14:12.54 | asg | De_Mon: sudo /etc/init.d/ntpd stop ; sudo ntpdate foo ; sudo /etc/init.d/ntpd start |
| 14:13.03 | Eulex | phaedrus_, apt-get install kde? |
| 14:13.07 | asg | !install kde |
| 14:13.08 | dpkg | install kde is, like, In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 14:13.35 | phaedrus_ | oh... |
| 14:13.47 | De_Mon | asg if anything I would use; sudo ntpd -q; -- but I wanted a method that worked while ntpd was running :( |
| 14:13.52 | phaedrus_ | yeah but i need to install the debian first on my other partition |
| 14:13.59 | phaedrus_ | do i just get a disk image? |
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| 14:14.17 | De_Mon | this wouldn't be such a problem if ntpd synched more often |
| 14:14.42 | bismark | hi everyone |
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| 14:15.24 | bismark | i have a problem with this "Can't locate ../web-lib.pl in @INC" |
| 14:15.33 | bismark | someone can help me? |
| 14:15.41 | TinoW | bismark: I'd search for files in packages |
| 14:15.58 | De_Mon | oh well, I'll get the battery replaced today anywho |
| 14:16.09 | stew | bismark: /msg dpkg apt-file ; then apt-file search web-lib.pl |
| 14:16.30 | TinoW | stew: thats even better ;) I'm always using the website ;) |
| 14:16.55 | bismark | stew: but i have that file |
| 14:17.08 | stew | bismark: what are you doing when you get the error? |
| 14:17.31 | ice_1963 | have a good day to all |
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| 14:17.44 | vedranell | hello |
| 14:17.54 | bismark | stew: i installed a webmin's module "sysstats" |
| 14:18.05 | phaedrus_ | is this where i get debian sarge? |
| 14:18.08 | phaedrus_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 14:18.14 | stew | phaedrus_: yes |
| 14:18.20 | phaedrus_ | 14 cds? |
| 14:18.26 | stew | bismark: what version of debian? have you checked the bts? |
| 14:18.42 | bismark | stew: debian stable |
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| 14:18.50 | Bart_ | did here anybody worked ever with ntsx? |
| 14:18.59 | stew | phaedrus_: if you are installing on a machine which can be networked using the debian kernel then you only need a netinst which is a < 200mb cd |
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| 14:19.53 | saintiss | hi |
| 14:20.06 | saintiss | if I build a kernel using make-kpkg, and I enable support for pentium4 and SMP, should it automatically generate a _pentium4_smp.deb package? because it seems it just generates i386 no matter what |
| 14:20.16 | stew | bismark: this happens during the install? |
| 14:20.33 | De_Mon | phaedrus_ most people install over http or ftp, you most liley only need the first 1 or two cds otherwise |
| 14:20.55 | bismark | stew: nop, this happens when a try to see the module installed |
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| 14:20.59 | De_Mon | phaedrus_ also, jigdo will create an image specific to your needs iirc |
| 14:21.02 | phaedrus_ | stew: i can only get online using the ndiswrapper |
| 14:21.28 | phaedrus_ | and my wireless card |
| 14:21.31 | bismark | stew: no problen when im installing |
| 14:22.16 | paulproteus|lapt | Thanks to all who offered me helpful words. I managed to find those files using "grep -b -a /dev/disk pattern". |
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| 14:22.40 | stew | phaedrus_: iirc ndiswrapper is on cd 14, which means you would need cd1 and cd14, you can double check with http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo/ |
| 14:24.11 | stew | bismark: i dunno then. i'd check the bts for both webmin and whatever module and /usr/share/doc/pkgname for both packages |
| 14:24.12 | phaedrus_ | so i install cd1 |
| 14:24.17 | ratm_ | any suggestions why my hdd is set to udma2 although it supports udma5, and would it harm anything if i changed it to 5? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/6Pn7nz37.html |
| 14:24.21 | phaedrus_ | and how do i then install cd 14? |
| 14:24.41 | stew | phaedrus_: with the "apt-cdrom" utility |
| 14:24.58 | De_Mon | phaedrus_ are there really packages on cd14 you actually want? |
| 14:25.01 | stew | phaedrus_: and then follow the instructions in /msg dpkg ndiswrapper |
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| 14:25.06 | stew | De_Mon: yes, ndiswrapper |
| 14:25.09 | bismark | damm :( |
| 14:25.14 | De_Mon | :| busted |
| 14:25.31 | phaedrus_ | cool |
| 14:25.48 | phaedrus_ | and once ndiswrapper is installed i just use apt-get to install everything else? |
| 14:26.11 | Wanderer | phaedrus? |
| 14:26.15 | phaedrus_ | y0 |
| 14:26.17 | jm_ | ratm_: is there any other device on the same cable? |
| 14:26.28 | asg | phaedrus_: you'll still need to download the XP drivers for your interface and install them. |
| 14:26.38 | ratm_ | jm_: yes, but that one is master |
| 14:26.45 | stew | phaedrus_: actually, nm you don't need to follow /msg dpkg ndiswrapper, you could just install with the linux26 kernel, then install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-386 from cd14 |
| 14:26.54 | Optical-dlz | Is there any thinkpad user? How to eject Ultrabay device and how to make them work when the machine is already booted? |
| 14:26.57 | jm_ | ratm_: in that case it will use the slower setting for both AFAIK |
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| 14:27.06 | phaedrus_ | once i do apt-get install kde-core |
| 14:27.10 | phaedrus_ | how do i use it? |
| 14:27.18 | phaedrus_ | thanks a million for the help btw |
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| 14:27.33 | goccia | install kdm as well |
| 14:27.44 | BrianR___ | Is it possible to install the linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8 package from testing/unstable on a machine with a 32-bit userspace? |
| 14:27.48 | asg | or put 'exec startkde' in your ~/.xsession file |
| 14:28.03 | asg | BrianR___: #debian-amd64 might know |
| 14:28.13 | BrianR___ | asg: thanks. |
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| 14:29.04 | user_ | www.terra.com.br |
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| 14:29.27 | remedy | how do you ask dpkg to tell you about using gpm mouse and X at the same time |
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| 14:29.48 | jm_ | remedy: "/msg dpkg gpm+x" - but you don't need it with 2.6 kernel |
| 14:30.01 | phaedrus_ | put 'exec startkde' in your ~/.xsession file |
| 14:30.06 | phaedrus_ | do that from command prompt? |
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| 14:30.21 | asg | phaedrus_: echo 'exec startkde' >> ~/.xsession ; startx |
| 14:30.32 | asg | phaedrus_: or if you want the GUI login manager, install kdm as suggested above |
| 14:30.35 | phaedrus_ | who |
| 14:30.37 | phaedrus_ | whoa |
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| 14:31.20 | phaedrus_ | cool |
| 14:31.22 | ratm_ | jm_: but it is uses umda5 for the slave hdd |
| 14:31.30 | Wanderer | Phaedrus: you get my msg? |
| 14:31.31 | phaedrus_ | and than ill have a user interface to do the rest? |
| 14:31.39 | phaedrus_ | yeah i messaged back |
| 14:31.39 | jm_ | ratm_: that's pretty odd |
| 14:31.42 | Wanderer | (freenode tends to drop em on me) |
| 14:32.04 | Wanderer | Phaed: odd, I didn't get it |
| 14:32.23 | asg | Wanderer: do you have mode +E set? |
| 14:32.37 | asg | Wanderer: if so and he isn't registered with nickserv, that would be the cause |
| 14:32.40 | ratm_ | jm_: im wondering if im right which one is slave and which one is master http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/rgnbZ748.html |
| 14:32.41 | Wanderer | +e, but not +E, same? |
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| 14:33.16 | jm_ | ratm_: hda is master, hdb is slave |
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| 14:34.11 | Wanderer | Phaed: ok, while I figure out removing the e from my mode in irssi, yes or no? |
| 14:34.12 | SerajewelKS | ok, i've verified that my palm cradle is good. it works on my dad's mac. so why would 'cat /dev/ttyUSB0' show nothing after i initiate a sync on the palm? (kernel 2.6.12) |
| 14:34.17 | wizgrav | hello merry Xmas has anyone used ldapscripts? |
| 14:34.26 | ratm_ | jm_: then im right, so would it be dangerous if i changed to umda5? |
| 14:34.51 | SerajewelKS | iirc it worked fine on 2.6.11 |
| 14:34.52 | jm_ | ratm_: hard to say, it can certainly cause problems |
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| 14:35.20 | wizgrav | has anyone setup a Primary Domain Controller on samba on debian??? |
| 14:35.31 | SerajewelKS | !tell wizgrav about ask |
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| 14:35.36 | ratm_ | well ok thanks for your help jm_ |
| 14:35.39 | TinoW | this damnd latex configure runs in a loop |
| 14:35.56 | SerajewelKS | only thing that could be going wrong is a kernel error |
| 14:36.03 | SerajewelKS | but dmesg shows everything in order |
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| 14:36.14 | SerajewelKS | so i am stumped |
| 14:36.25 | SerajewelKS | in can sync this palm on the same cradle on other PCs |
| 14:36.54 | wizgrav | Ok I'm having trouble connecting on an openldap server as the admin user to create entries for samba PDC management it complains that SASL can't find stuff |
| 14:37.10 | Ironhand_ | I'm having an issue with a debian stable server, I'm trying to get an e1000 based network card running but there's no support in the 2.6.8 kernel yet... what debian kernel would be a good choice to use instead? (as in, is known to be "good") |
| 14:37.23 | jm_ | Ironhand_: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
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| 14:38.09 | lish | i read the EMACS wiki 's documents,i think: a line started by"#anchor" will be set as an anchor and i can use "CamelFont#anchor" the link to go the anchor line. I tried following this,but it fails.Am my thought wrong? |
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| 14:38.30 | jm_ | Ironhand_: worked OK for me, except it oops-es on a P4 HT machine when it installs SMP kernel |
| 14:38.32 | abrotman | ask #emacs ? |
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| 14:38.41 | lish | ok. |
| 14:38.46 | abrotman | Ironhand_: tried the e1000 module ? |
| 14:38.46 | stew | Ironhand_: what is wrong with the e1000 in 2.6.8? |
| 14:38.53 | peppet | Ironhand_, modprobing e1000? |
| 14:39.04 | abrotman | oh wait .. i know .. e1000! |
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| 14:39.06 | peppet | :) |
| 14:39.20 | Ironhand_ | the 2.6.8 version of the driver doesn't have support for this particular card yet |
| 14:39.34 | jm_ | indeed, it's outdated |
| 14:39.39 | sfr | hi - is it possible to prevent a package from being upgraded? |
| 14:39.44 | asg | sfr: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 14:40.34 | Ironhand_ | I looked at the d-i sarge image but what I actually need is basically a linux-source package for a newer kernel that is considered to be quite stable |
| 14:40.43 | abrotman | Ironhand_: do you know hwich kernel version supports your NIC / |
| 14:40.45 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:40.56 | Ironhand_ | yes, 2.6.12 and later should support it |
| 14:40.59 | Ironhand_ | not sure about versions in between |
| 14:40.59 | abrotman | hehe .. 2.6 .. quite stable .. Ironhand_ made a funny |
| 14:41.12 | abrotman | Ironhand_: you can try just grabbing the 2.6.12 package from etch |
| 14:41.31 | Ironhand_ | well approaching stability of the 2.6.8 sarge kernel ;-) |
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| 14:42.07 | stew | Ironhand: what abrotman said, but if you need to compile any 3rd party modules for 2.6.12 you will have to also install gcc-4.0 |
| 14:42.42 | SerajewelKS | GRR |
| 14:42.54 | Ironhand | but the normal linux-source 2.6.12 etch package should compile with the gcc in sarge? |
| 14:43.12 | jm_ | yes, but I fail to see why you think 2.6.12 is more stable than 2.6.14 |
| 14:43.35 | Ironhand | I never said that |
| 14:43.37 | stew | i don't know if 2.6.12 or 2.6.14 compile will gcc in sarge |
| 14:43.39 | SerajewelKS | is anyone aware of any palmpilot issues in 2.6.12? |
| 14:43.45 | stew | ^will^with |
| 14:43.52 | Ironhand | I'm just looking for any debian kernel source >=2.6.12 that would be the best to use |
| 14:43.55 | jm_ | so why don't you simple use already made 2.6.14 Sarge installation CD? |
| 14:44.08 | Ironhand | the system is already installed |
| 14:44.18 | jm_ | ohh |
| 14:44.25 | jm_ | then just compile it yourself |
| 14:44.44 | phaedrus_ | stew: when i boot the cd1 debian install will i get to choose what partition to put it on? |
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| 14:45.03 | peppet | phaedrus_, sure |
| 14:45.05 | Ironhand | yeah, that was the idea, but I prefer to use a debian patched kernel rather than kernel.org |
| 14:45.21 | jm_ | get it frm debian.org mirrors (source packages) |
| 14:45.21 | phaedrus_ | is there some commands i need to kknow to do thqat? |
| 14:45.23 | Ironhand | and I want to avoid grabbing one that just happens to have a load of nasty issues |
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| 14:46.17 | redguy|work | phaedrus_: you should be able to do that from the installer |
| 14:46.34 | phaedrus_ | cool |
| 14:46.36 | redguy|work | phaedrus_: in a 'step by step' kind of way |
| 14:46.44 | stew | phaedrus_: yes, you should read the install manual |
| 14:46.46 | peppet | Ironhand, what about grabbing only e1000 tree? |
| 14:47.31 | Ironhand | you mean essentially backporting it? I don't have any experience with that and it seems the driver changed rather heavily between the version that doesn't and the version that does support this card |
| 14:47.54 | Ironhand | do you think just copying a newer drivers/net/e1000 tree into the 2.6.8 source would compile cleanly? |
| 14:48.24 | saintiss | if I build a kernel using make-kpkg, and I enable support for pentium4 and SMP, should it automatically generate a _pentium4_smp.deb package? because it seems it just generates i386 no matter what |
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| 14:49.14 | asg | saintiss: unless you pass the _pentium4_smp foo to make-kpkg, it will won't alter the package name |
| 14:49.14 | peppet | Ironhand, I don't know, I would try ;) |
| 14:49.37 | Ironhand | I'll look into it, thanks |
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| 14:51.18 | saintiss | asg: ic, but not using --append-to-version then apparently, because it still appends 386 after that |
| 14:52.08 | asg | saintiss: i386 indicates the generic architecture |
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| 14:52.38 | asg | saintiss: if you compiled the kernel with SMP and P4 support, then it will have that irrespective of the package name. |
| 14:53.07 | saintiss | asg: yes, I understand that, I just wanted to know (out of curiosity) how the arch part of the package name could be changed |
| 14:53.35 | asg | saintiss: --arch foo |
| 14:54.03 | asg | saintiss: make-kpkg(1) has other options also |
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| 14:54.12 | sgeigerbot | Does anyone know how to tell how lound a sound file is? |
| 14:54.18 | sgeigerbot | loud... |
| 14:54.25 | blondie | listen to it |
| 14:54.35 | blondie | with your ears |
| 14:54.36 | blondie | :o |
| 14:54.39 | sgeigerbot | blondie: automatically. (Besides, I have no ears.) |
| 14:54.39 | saintiss | asg: yeah, I found --arch in the manual, but there it says arch is supposed to be autodetected except for cross-compilation... so autodetection doesn't work very well then? |
| 14:54.55 | blondie | don't you? |
| 14:55.13 | sgeigerbot | blondie: I'm a bot. Why are you so interested in my bot-uality? Have you been interested in "exploring" that part of your nature? |
| 14:55.24 | blondie | haha |
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| 14:55.34 | asg | saintiss: that I don't know. Perhaps the --subarch or --arch-in-name options are what you want in this instance. |
| 14:56.16 | sgeigerbot | Does anyone know how to programatically inspect a sound file to tell whether it is a recording of loud or soft sounds? |
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| 14:56.33 | saintiss | asg: ic... ok thanks |
| 14:56.39 | asg | saintiss: you're welcome |
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| 14:56.48 | braveheart_of_do | hi |
| 14:56.59 | braveheart_of_do | any one wanna chat |
| 14:57.11 | blondie | asl? :P |
| 14:57.28 | sgeigerbot | (I'm trying to do this because I want to have a script use the system's built-in microphone to listen to whether my system is plugged into my external, amplified speakers. (If the system is, I need to decrease the sound...or it will be too loud.) |
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| 14:57.32 | jbroome | 43/male/bahrain.. want some jesus juice? |
| 14:57.42 | goccia | sgeigerbot: mp3gain ? |
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| 14:58.12 | gorby | I have a really borked debian system (my fault): I dist-upgraded but forgot to change sources.list back to stable, im trying to install a netinst CD over the top of the bad crap, It gets to installing th base system but aborts with umount errors "/target/proc/bus/usb: invalid argument" being the last one, |
| 14:58.12 | gorby | Are there some files I can delete to make the installer work without ditching the rest of the file system? |
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| 15:00.39 | RzR | hi |
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| 15:00.54 | ddi | RzR, hola |
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| 15:00.58 | GIZM | hi 2 all |
| 15:01.00 | gorby | I guess, learn from my mistake and rebuild... :( |
| 15:01.51 | DragonDav | anyone here know about SATA?? i've been looking at motherboards and they look like the same ports but somr are called SATA and others called RAID, is there a diff? |
| 15:01.55 | RzR | i need help with grub |
| 15:01.57 | RzR | i set |
| 15:02.07 | RzR | kopts=i8042.nomux |
| 15:02.07 | RzR | defoptions=i8042.nomux |
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| 15:02.20 | RzR | but it seems to be ignored |
| 15:02.27 | RzR | for antomagick kernel list |
| 15:02.32 | dvs | DragonDav: RAID could be either SATA connections or IDE connections |
| 15:02.40 | dvs | or even SCSI |
| 15:02.40 | ddi | RzR man grub |
| 15:03.03 | RzR | ddi: man man 1st :) |
| 15:03.22 | DragonDav | dvs: so a regular SATA will work on a mother board that has a sata connector that is called RAID? |
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| 15:03.32 | gorby | DragonDav: yes |
| 15:03.37 | dvs | DragonDav: Yes |
| 15:03.50 | dvs | gorby: liar! ;-) |
| 15:03.56 | gorby | DragonDav: :P |
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| 15:04.06 | stew | DragonDav: yes, there is generally no difference between a regular SATA connector and one named RAID, like the ones that say raid, generally don't even do raid, the are really just sata connectors |
| 15:04.13 | DragonDav | cool, that's what i thought but wanted to be sure before i spent 100$ on a sata drive |
| 15:04.18 | gorby | DragonDav: If u intend to run a single drive from a raid plug u might need to tweak bios settings... |
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| 15:05.02 | DragonDav | gorby: don't worry i'll be tewaking ALOT |
| 15:05.14 | DragonDav | hehe |
| 15:05.14 | gorby | DragonDav: you will be cool then :) |
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| 15:07.24 | remedy | are there any apps for altering base/treble etc on my sound |
| 15:07.28 | remedy | bass* |
| 15:07.36 | SimonRaven | alsamixer |
| 15:07.58 | Eulex | remedy, that is, if your sound card supports it |
| 15:08.03 | gorby | gnome-alsa-mixer :) |
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| 15:09.36 | asg | RzR: make sure you only have one '#' before the kopts/defoptions lines, not two. |
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| 15:10.11 | remedy | guess i should be using alsa drivers? im using the oss drivers |
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| 15:10.26 | Eulex | remedy, yes, alsa is superior to oss |
| 15:10.34 | remedy | emu10k1 sb card |
| 15:10.56 | remedy | Eulex: i realise that, but i've always used oss, and it works, untill now i had no reason to use alsa :) |
| 15:10.58 | stew | remedy: alsa is far superior for emu10k1 ; /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 15:11.04 | thingfish | We had a short (15 sec.) power outage this morning. When I rebooted my computer, fsck didn't run automatically. Wasn't it supposed to have? |
| 15:11.21 | stew | thingfish: if you run ext3 then not necessarily |
| 15:11.25 | asg | thingfish: only if it could fix things automatically. Sometimes, manual intervention is required. |
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| 15:11.37 | thingfish | stew: yes, it's ext3. |
| 15:11.42 | thingfish | asg: ah |
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| 15:11.58 | thingfish | well there seem to be no ill effects. The box was idle when it happened. |
| 15:12.09 | stew | yay for journaled filesystems! |
| 15:12.15 | Eulex | thingfish, ext3 often just needs a second or two to fix whatever may have broken. |
| 15:12.17 | thingfish | boy really. |
| 15:12.25 | thingfish | Eulex: cool. |
| 15:12.56 | Eulex | thingfish, and not a long fsck session. depends on how much broke, though. |
| 15:13.42 | Eulex | thingfish, and there shouldn't be much to fix for an idle box |
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| 15:14.18 | thingfish | Eulex: everything seems to be working fine. |
| 15:14.53 | remedy | that alsa oneliner.. it doesnt have modules for my kernel.. its 2.4.32.. should i be downloadin the alsa package and building them from that or something? |
| 15:15.17 | dvs | remedy: That's a custom kernel |
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| 15:16.02 | stew | remedy: alsa isn't included in 2.4 kernels but is included in 2.6 kernels. you either have to download and compile alsa, or switch to 2.6 |
| 15:16.35 | remedy | dvs: really?! ;] |
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| 15:16.43 | yalu_ | does anyone know how to extract a boot floppy image from a bootable (El Torito) cdrom? |
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| 15:16.59 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 15:17.07 | Eulex | remedy, or install an official 2.4.27 kernel and then install the alsa-modules for it |
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| 15:17.27 | asg | yalu_: you could try using dd to pull the first 2.88 megs of the drive and mount it via loopback. |
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| 15:17.47 | vovo4ka | help me plz... i need to get information from striped hard RAID NTFS |
| 15:18.01 | yalu_ | asg: is it realle the first 2,88 MB? nice. could it be the first 1.44 MB? |
| 15:18.05 | Pupeno | Does anybody have an example of dns injection using nemesis ? I can't get it work. I get ERROR: Unable to allocate a socket descriptor. |
| 15:18.11 | stew | vovo4ka: can you mount it? |
| 15:18.17 | asg | yalu_: I'm not sure but you can try both and see. |
| 15:18.24 | stew | vovo4ka: is your raid controller suppored? |
| 15:18.28 | asg | Pupeno: are you running it as root? |
| 15:18.30 | vovo4ka | mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/myraid failed |
| 15:18.35 | yalu_ | all right. I can't put a 2.88 MB image on a floppy though :) |
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| 15:18.49 | Pupeno | asg: oh! no. |
| 15:18.56 | stew | vovo4ka: any error messages? are you sure /dev/sda1 is the correct partition? |
| 15:18.58 | bbrazil | vovo4ka: is this a dynamic disk? |
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| 15:19.10 | vovo4ka | stew, i can see it in fdisk |
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| 15:19.27 | asg | yalu_: oh, okay. Try 1.44 then perhaps. |
| 15:19.50 | asg | yalu_: they did make 2.88 drives but I haven't seen one in years |
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| 15:20.17 | vovo4ka | NTFS: Invalid $Mft record 0 |
| 15:20.31 | vovo4ka | bbrazil, it is SATA RAID |
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| 15:22.24 | stew | vovo4ka: what controller? have you ever been able to mount this drive in linux? |
| 15:22.30 | stew | ^drive^array |
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| 15:23.28 | vovo4ka | stew, i can see it by fdisk |
| 15:23.44 | vovo4ka | it is buildin raid controller |
| 15:24.00 | vovo4ka | P4P800-E |
| 15:24.09 | stew | vovo4ka: who makes that? |
| 15:24.31 | vovo4ka | Promise |
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| 15:24.45 | vovo4ka | and Marvell logo on chip 8-) |
| 15:25.08 | dvs | vovo4ka: It's a VIA RAID and Marvell NIC |
| 15:25.23 | vovo4ka | 8-) |
| 15:25.30 | usn | good afternoon |
| 15:25.34 | vovo4ka | dvs, so debian supports? |
| 15:25.46 | stew | vovo4ka: if this is fakeraid and not hardware raid you may not be able to mount it under linux. have you ever successfully mounted this volume under linux? |
| 15:25.52 | dvs | vovo4ka: I don't have any drive on my SATA connections. |
| 15:26.25 | vovo4ka | stew, well... |
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| 15:28.38 | alba_ | hi all |
| 15:28.47 | alba_ | sb to help me on a strange problem ? |
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| 15:29.06 | ke6isf | !tell alba_ -about ask |
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| 15:29.34 | ke6isf | alba_: In short, possibly, but we won't know until you ask your question. |
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| 15:30.13 | alba_ | the trouble is that each time my laptop boot up, the time of the system is shifted by one hour |
| 15:30.28 | vovo4ka | stew, may be it is fake.... |
| 15:30.30 | alba_ | the bios time does not change but the system time does |
| 15:30.43 | ke6isf | alba_: ntp is your answer. |
| 15:30.46 | asg | alba_: change your timezone to account for daylight savings time |
| 15:30.48 | bibe | alba_ : do you dual boot with windows? |
| 15:30.57 | vovo4ka | but i plug this raid on other controller under windows - failed |
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| 15:31.07 | alba_ | no dual boot, debian unstable up to date |
| 15:31.10 | dvs | asg: Huh? DST should be off now |
| 15:31.18 | asg | dvs: or standard time |
| 15:31.44 | alba_ | asg: how do i do it ? |
| 15:31.53 | asg | alba_: tzconfig |
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| 15:32.20 | alba_ | ke6isf: ntp is great but my laptop is not always connected to the net, not so practical in that case |
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| 15:32.48 | takatumi | !wb asg |
| 15:32.49 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! asg has returned! |
| 15:32.53 | asg | alba_: you could always use ntpdate via an 'up' stanza in /etc/network/interfaces to sync time when you go online. |
| 15:33.00 | asg | takatumi: hiya, how are things? |
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| 15:33.05 | ATAQ | Hey, does anybody know where I can get Drivers for my 945P MSI motherboard? |
| 15:33.10 | ATAQ | 64bit ones |
| 15:33.18 | takatumi | asg: going good. :) |
| 15:33.23 | alba_ | asg: but the time shift will still exist when I boot without net access ! |
| 15:33.40 | asg | alba_: paste the output of 'date' |
| 15:33.42 | alba_ | asg: and I just verified, the TZ is correct |
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| 15:34.06 | stew | ATAQ: drivers for what specifically? |
| 15:34.07 | bibe | alba_ : is tzconfig reporting the correct time zone? |
| 15:34.19 | alba_ | asg: jeu déc 29 16:33:18 CET 2005 (but I set it manually just after boot time) |
| 15:34.21 | bibe | alba_ : ok |
| 15:34.25 | alba_ | bibe: yes |
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| 15:35.58 | tictac | alba_: is your bios set to the correct time? |
| 15:36.02 | ATAQ | FOR my MSI NEO F motherboard, LGA775 |
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| 15:36.14 | asg | alba_: check the output of /sbin/hwclock also |
| 15:36.23 | tictac | hwclock -r |
| 15:36.42 | limpio | hiryu, am trying to configure the background/foreground colors in the browser links2, the fg color is black by default (000000) and the bg is light gray (dddddd), i want the fg white and the bg black, does anybody knows what are numbers/letters i should put in? thx |
| 15:36.53 | Fabio | ATI RADEON Mobility 9600/9700 series. How can I set up 3D acc? |
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| 15:36.59 | limpio | sorry, i meant hi not hiryu |
| 15:37.10 | ATAQ | In SAX FAbio |
| 15:37.20 | tictac | perhaps try running something like hwclock --set --date="11/29/05 10:35:00" (change time to the actual time) |
| 15:37.25 | Fabio | SAX? What is it? |
| 15:37.30 | tictac | then something like hwlock --hctosys |
| 15:37.34 | stew | limpio: white would be ffffff |
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| 15:37.36 | takatumi | alba_: running unstable? |
| 15:37.42 | ATAQ | its the graphics configurer |
| 15:37.47 | limpio | stew, thx bud |
| 15:38.01 | Fabio | Have I to download it? |
| 15:38.02 | ATAQ | maybe one of the lads may no a bit more, I dont usually use debian |
| 15:38.06 | stew | Fabio: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 15:38.09 | alba_ | takatumi: yes |
| 15:38.16 | ATAQ | It is in it no? |
| 15:38.26 | alba_ | tictac: hwclock output : jeu 29 déc 2005 16:37:54 CET -0.144008 seconds |
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| 15:38.32 | takatumi | alba_: check bug #342887 |
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| 15:38.47 | phaedrus_ | hey hey |
| 15:39.02 | Fabio | stew: thanks! |
| 15:39.09 | phaedrus_ | someone tell me how to copy files from cd to home directory using command prompt? |
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| 15:39.35 | stew | phaedrus_: is the cd mounted? |
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| 15:40.50 | tictac | hmm. |
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| 15:41.10 | alba_ | takatumi: seems to be the answer ! |
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| 15:42.19 | asg | takatumi: oh, is that the same one that cause fsck to complain on boot about the time being set in the future? |
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| 15:42.27 | alba_ | but it looks like the bug is still there |
| 15:42.32 | alba_ | asg: yes I think so |
| 15:42.49 | alba_ | asg: I got errors with fsck as well |
| 15:42.52 | tictac | asg: yes, that would also cause that. |
| 15:42.55 | asg | alba_: which kernel are you running? |
| 15:43.02 | takatumi | asg: yup |
| 15:43.13 | asg | takatumi: ah okay, I've been away for a bit |
| 15:43.21 | tictac | i seem to have the same issues with a few of my boxes that are running sid, now that i browse around my network. |
| 15:43.22 | alba_ | asg: 2.6.12 ( I know I should recompile...) |
| 15:43.41 | asg | alba_: well, sid now has 2.6.14-2* which appeared to work fine this morning |
| 15:43.48 | vovo4ka | hot to make vsftpd anon uploaded files to 0766 ? |
| 15:43.50 | vovo4ka | mod |
| 15:44.03 | vovo4ka | they always in 0600 |
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| 15:44.21 | alba_ | asg: but the bug is not linked with the kernel version, is it ? |
| 15:44.33 | tictac | asg: have you tried setting the hwclock manually? |
| 15:44.58 | asg | tictac: I don't have this issue personally, it's alba that does |
| 15:45.11 | tictac | it seems that i can change the hwclock manually to the correct time, but then when the ntpdate cron job comes around, it will think the system has the wrong time and will set it back an hour. |
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| 15:45.47 | tictac | (my clocks seem to be an hour behind, instead of an hour ahead as the bug report says) |
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| 15:45.55 | drivamgr2006 | surely ntpdate has a command to set the tz you are in? |
| 15:46.20 | phaedrus__ | hey stew |
| 15:46.21 | tictac | ntpdate gets the tz from the current setting, afaik. |
| 15:46.24 | asg | alba_: true, it appears unrelated to the kernel. Disregard my red herring |
| 15:46.26 | phaedrus__ | i got disconnected before |
| 15:47.07 | drivamgr2006 | so what is your current tz setting tictac? and which ntp service do you connect to? |
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| 15:47.11 | hacim | I'm trying to load the mwave module for my thinkpad600e ACP modem, but when I do I get this error: mwave: smapi::smapi_set_DSP_cfg: Serial port A irq 3 conflicts with mwave_uart_irq 3 |
| 15:47.14 | phaedrus__ | so how do i copy files from cd to hard drive using command? |
| 15:47.19 | tictac | US/Central time.mit.edu |
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| 15:47.24 | asg | vovo4ka: it may be related to the local_umask option. /usr/share/doc/vsftpd has lots of information |
| 15:47.51 | drivamgr2006 | maybe the ntp server is screwy. try connecting to a different one... |
| 15:47.57 | alba_ | phaedrus__: mount /cdrom && cp -R /cdrom/* /home/mytargetdirectory |
| 15:48.14 | phaedrus__ | what is && ? |
| 15:48.16 | tictac | drivamgr2006: you wouldnt think the time server for kerberos at mit is screwy. |
| 15:48.20 | vovo4ka | asg, anon_umask ? |
| 15:48.22 | vovo4ka | maybe |
| 15:48.26 | drivamgr2006 | i use bear.zoo.bt.co.uk |
| 15:48.30 | raspberry | I've been running debian, qmail and rblsmtpd for some time now -- it seems like i'm not blocking anymore spam then I usually would. I've been adding every SPAM IP Addr I get to tcp.smtp and rebuilding the cdb and that's helping, but it seems like it's a never ending job -- is there any better way to block spam using debian packages? |
| 15:48.34 | asg | phaedrus__: shell logic. It means perform the second command if the first succeeds. |
| 15:48.45 | alba_ | according to the bugreport, one solution is to set the hardware clock to GMT |
| 15:48.46 | phaedrus__ | oh neet thanks |
| 15:48.59 | asg | vovo4ka: maybe, I don't have it on a system currently so I can't verify offhand. |
| 15:49.10 | tictac | drivamgr2006: same issues with that server. |
| 15:49.15 | drivamgr2006 | ooer... |
| 15:49.17 | Fabio | Chromium. This game runs really slow. Why? Could be 'cause the 3D acc? |
| 15:49.39 | tictac | so its not the server, its the deb pkg as i see it. |
| 15:49.46 | drivamgr2006 | alba_: which bug report do you refer to? |
| 15:49.48 | tictac | Fabio: yes, of course. |
| 15:49.50 | alba_ | how do I set the hw clock to GMT and tell linux that I want GMT+1 ? |
| 15:49.54 | asg | vovo4ka: ah, it looks like file_open_mode + the various umasks set the value |
| 15:49.54 | drivamgr2006 | I want to look at it. |
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| 15:50.04 | alba_ | drivamgr2006: 342887 |
| 15:50.17 | drivamgr2006 | on which bugzilla? |
| 15:50.24 | asg | drivamgr2006: bugs.debian.org |
| 15:50.26 | ArtVandalae | This may sound like an extremely stupid question. But is there a command to make an empty file? I know I can open vim but I'm trying to write a tutorial and I don't want to stuff too many commands in front of the person reading. I'm trying to introduct basic commands first (mkdir, cd, mv, etc) |
| 15:50.28 | drivamgr2006 | thanks |
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| 15:50.48 | asg | ArtVandalae: touch(1) |
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| 15:50.49 | alba_ | ArtVandalae: touch file |
| 15:50.53 | ArtVandalae | Thanks |
| 15:51.00 | absolutzero | greets |
| 15:51.13 | Fabio | tictac: I have installed the package fglrx...but I have no results. Could you help me? |
| 15:51.16 | tictac | alba_: hwclock --set --utc |
| 15:51.38 | Fabio | ATI Radeon Mobility 9600/9700 |
| 15:51.41 | tictac | Fabio: no, im actually about to leave and cant get wrapped up in solving your problems at the current time, sorry. |
| 15:51.57 | alba_ | tictac: ok and then to set the system clock to local time ? |
| 15:52.00 | takatumi | asg: I haven't been hit, but heard it being mentioned. |
| 15:52.02 | Fabio | ok, no problems |
| 15:52.02 | tictac | ive never used ati in linux, nor do i plan to. im an nvidia zealot |
| 15:52.13 | drivamgr2006 | alba_: is the the hwclock runs too early, breaks time system bug? |
| 15:52.23 | asg | takatumi: ah, okay. |
| 15:52.37 | absolutzero | how do I check to see what group a program or directory belongs to? |
| 15:52.48 | alba_ | drivamgr2006: yes |
| 15:52.48 | tictac | absolutzero: ls -l |
| 15:52.49 | asg | absolutzero: ls |
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| 15:53.00 | absolutzero | hmmm |
| 15:53.00 | Fabio | Anyone use ATI in linux? How can I run 3D? |
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| 15:53.12 | drivamgr2006 | okies. will look at the necessary odds and sods and get back to you |
| 15:53.30 | asg | absolutzero: for directories, ls -ld /dir/foo |
| 15:53.45 | bibe | Fabio : what video card? |
| 15:54.02 | absolutzero | and how would I create a totally new group? |
| 15:54.10 | asg | absolutzero: groupadd, addgroup, vipw |
| 15:54.15 | asg | s/vipw/vigr/ |
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| 15:54.40 | takatumi | Fabio: how did you install fglrx? the .debs? |
| 15:54.40 | absolutzero | cool |
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| 15:55.11 | Fabio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:55.21 | phillywhitetrash | anyone gotta cheesesteak? |
| 15:55.27 | abrotman | !cheesesteak phillywhitetrash |
| 15:55.27 | asg | phillywhitetrash: abrotman |
| 15:55.29 | ircdevil | is there a tool that logs how much mem a certain job has been using? |
| 15:55.39 | absolutzero | so say I create the new group and want the progam to be part of that group? |
| 15:55.40 | abrotman | absolutzero: hey .. you came back :) |
| 15:55.43 | phillywhitetrash | mmmmmm good! |
| 15:55.43 | bibe | Fabio : heh... http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/sarge/index.htm |
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| 15:55.46 | absolutzero | I did indeed |
| 15:55.52 | asg | absolutzero: man chown |
| 15:55.53 | abrotman | absolutzero: man chown |
| 15:55.54 | ircdevil | i am interested in finding out the max mem used. |
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| 15:56.01 | absolutzero | thank you |
| 15:56.18 | asg | ircdevil: look at VIRT and RES in the output of top(1) |
| 15:56.18 | Fabio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.46 | asg | ircdevil: also, the 'acct' package may be useful. |
| 15:56.49 | bibe | Fabio : feel free to email me (in italian) |
| 15:56.57 | stew | ircdevil: valgrind might be able to tell you but it also might be overkill and too invasive |
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| 15:57.24 | fred__ | HI. I have to build kernel modules in order to install my wireless card and reading the help file does not help me much. They mention Run m-a in order to build linux-wlan-ng-modules: what does this mean? |
| 15:57.36 | saintiss | hi |
| 15:57.36 | takatumi | bibe: so what have you been doing after dec 27th? no changelogs!?! |
| 15:57.41 | saintiss | I just compiled a kernel, but now I have changed one *.c file, and I want to recompile: is there a way to just recompile that file instead of everything all over again? |
| 15:57.47 | saintiss | I used make-kpkg |
| 15:57.57 | bibe | takatumi : ? |
| 15:58.21 | Fabio | bibe: thanks a lot |
| 15:58.23 | asg | fred__: m-a is module-assistant. Install it if you don't have it, type 'm-a', and follow the prompts / menu |
| 15:58.36 | fred__ | thanks |
| 15:59.22 | Fabio | bibe: non conosco la tua email... |
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| 15:59.37 | drivamgr2006 | 342887 looks to be quite a nasty problem, as I understand it, hwclock is firing too early, prior to fsck and mounting /usr, thus buggering the system time up. I think maybe you set bios time to GMT, may resolve this, as is suggested, but it looks a serious problem. I will look at it. |
| 15:59.39 | takatumi | bibe: your last entry on your site was dec 27th, supposed to be humourous, ignore. :) |
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| 16:00.03 | nixxie | how can I get dhclient to try and fetch a DCHP IP address indefinately, instead if it stopping after the Xth try? |
| 16:00.03 | emi | fewew |
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| 16:00.05 | bibe | takatumi : :) |
| 16:00.34 | nixxie | is there a debian-way, besides editing dhclient.conf? |
| 16:00.45 | nixxie | specifically since debian controls ifup/down |
| 16:00.52 | nixxie | which starts/stops dhclient |
| 16:00.54 | asg | nixxie: afaik, editing dhclient.conf is the only way. |
| 16:00.59 | alba_ | drivamgr2006: yes it is a nasty problem, causing lots of weird behaviour when time is changed while it should not be. I agree that setting hw time to gmt should resolve it... |
| 16:01.07 | saintiss | I just compiled a kernel, but now I have changed one *.c file, and I want to recompile: is there a way to just recompile that file instead of everything all over again? |
| 16:01.08 | saintiss | I used make-kpkg |
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| 16:01.18 | nixxie | the problem is that if the dhcp lease isnt received, the box stops DHCP alltogether |
| 16:01.22 | emi | . |
| 16:01.23 | nixxie | so it'll never get a lease again |
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| 16:01.38 | nixxie | which is different from windoze behaviour or router behaviour |
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| 16:02.18 | abrotman | saintiss: is it a driver? |
| 16:02.19 | tictac | nixxie: so setup a script that runs dhclient every X hours if it has no valid address |
| 16:02.26 | drivamgr2006 | Well GMT time at the moment alba_ is 16.02, so worth looking at setting at that... |
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| 16:02.33 | saintiss | abrotman: yes |
| 16:02.40 | abrotman | saintiss: TBH .. i'd do the whole thing |
| 16:02.47 | daft | is it possible to make a ramdisc then kexec some kernel and that the ramdisk is still there? |
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| 16:02.53 | daft | ramdisk* |
| 16:02.59 | nixxie | tictac: my point is that i wonder why that isnt default behaviour. |
| 16:03.10 | saintiss | abrotman: hmm, that takes me 40 minutes... there really is no way for make-kpkg to detect I changed just that one driver and only recompile that one? |
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| 16:03.15 | phaedrus__ | i am now burning image one and 14 of debian install |
| 16:03.30 | takatumi | nixxie: looked at 'retry' in man 5 dhclient.conf? |
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| 16:03.50 | nixxie | takatumi: trying, however i dont see how that works in conjunction with debians ifup |
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| 16:04.03 | nixxie | takatumi, for ifup will cancel the dhcp requests after a given amount of time |
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| 16:04.34 | takatumi | nixxie: timeout and retry may work, haven't tried |
| 16:04.45 | drivamgr2006 | i have to get net up by using dhclient... |
| 16:04.55 | alba_ | drivamgr2006: i have to set it with hwclock --set --utc --date=, but which format do I have to use for the date ? |
| 16:05.10 | alba_ | drivamgr2006: seconds since epoch ? |
| 16:05.21 | drivamgr2006 | havent a clue. |
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| 16:05.34 | drivamgr2006 | i normally set local time to gmt in the bios |
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| 16:06.02 | tictac | alba_: did you even read the man page? |
| 16:06.09 | spldart | just installed etch netinst and did x11 6.8 and fluxbox.. I'm trying to get the native 3d ati card support x11 has. card recognized and r350 loaded for 9600..... problem is my 3d support is weak compared windows |
| 16:06.09 | tictac | alba_: it clearly states the format in an example. |
| 16:06.27 | spldart | Any advice? It's less than half the 3d accell as windows has with this card |
| 16:06.29 | tictac | alba_: i also gave you an example earlier, which you ignored, obviously. |
| 16:06.33 | tosh | Im setting up an ADSL modem using USB in debian, the line is detected so the module is working, I created pap-secrets and if-cfg-ppp0, but what do I need to actually ppp dial the connection? |
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| 16:06.44 | drivamgr2006 | normally the uk use the date format dd/mm/yy for calendar. but for hwclock, i am lost |
| 16:07.25 | takatumi | spldart: for better performance probably try the fglrx drivers, xorg works but fps ain't that high. |
| 16:07.31 | tictac | hwclock --set --date="12/29/05 11:06:00" |
| 16:07.33 | nixxie | takatumi, if i put retry on 15 and timeout on 60, at bootup it will just die (dhclient) and i dont think there's any background processes active to restart it |
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| 16:07.41 | alba_ | tictac: ok missed that line, sorry |
| 16:07.51 | nixxie | takatumi, at least not to my knowledge. like a cron.d script for dhcp - i dont think it exists. |
| 16:07.53 | spldart | what's funny is the fglrx drivers on x-window 4.3 gave about the same performance |
| 16:07.54 | nene_16 | ola como te llamas |
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| 16:07.58 | drivamgr2006 | !es |
| 16:07.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:08.13 | spldart | and was alot more trouble to get working right :-o |
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| 16:08.41 | spldart | not that the unstable netinst didn't crash a couple of times itself :( |
| 16:08.42 | spldart | hehe |
| 16:08.51 | drivamgr2006 | if you set to gmt, we use a diff date format... dd/mm/yy, not the us convention of month first |
| 16:08.55 | tosh | can anyone recommend a ppp dialer? |
| 16:09.06 | tictac | welp, back to work. later all. |
| 16:09.17 | drivamgr2006 | bbfn tictac |
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| 16:09.46 | absolutzero | whoot now it is set up so that only people in that group can run it |
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| 16:10.50 | RolandU | hi all! |
| 16:11.06 | absolutzero | also figured out how to change my default WM, it reads .Xsession instead of .xinitrc |
| 16:11.34 | secher | !test |
| 16:11.34 | dpkg | Yes, secher, you're still online. |
| 16:11.50 | RolandU | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:11.54 | spldart | without starting an argument what is the best x to load on my deb after i get my proper kernel and all that? |
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| 16:12.06 | programm | Can i create /mnt/test without to be root? |
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| 16:12.17 | Firefox_Rulez | hi |
| 16:12.40 | asg | spldart: are you using 'x' as a variable or are you referring to window managers / desktop environments? |
| 16:12.45 | bibe | programm : only if you have write access to /mnt |
| 16:12.46 | RolandU | programm, depends on your system, but generally not |
| 16:12.54 | drivamgr2006 | ok crew. time for me to bail outta here and into a hot bath... see ya later |
| 16:13.05 | programm | hmm, ok |
| 16:13.22 | spldart | x11 xfree x-window-system that sort of X |
| 16:13.23 | spldart | ;) |
| 16:13.28 | absolutzero | what is different about using .xsession and .xinitrc? |
| 16:13.36 | spldart | fluxbox or some minimal manager on top of it |
| 16:13.39 | fred__ | i am installing linux-wlan-ng, ran m-a as specified in the README file, configured the interfaces file as well but always get errors messages that prevents to load the driver such as |
| 16:13.41 | absolutzero | the both seem to be invoked in the same way |
| 16:13.41 | asg | spldart: well, your choice is xfree86 (sarge and earlier) or xorg |
| 16:13.41 | fred__ | : depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/orinoco.o |
| 16:13.41 | programm | and if, i create /mnt/test with the mkdir command (in root) can i change the owner? |
| 16:13.43 | fred__ | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.o |
| 16:13.44 | fred__ | Any idea what I am missing? |
| 16:13.46 | asg | gah |
| 16:13.56 | stew | absolutzero: startx will user either, a dm will use .xsession |
| 16:14.07 | absolutzero | aha |
| 16:14.09 | spldart | is xorg superior to xfree or still to 'testing' thus far? |
| 16:14.26 | absolutzero | in my case then, it is just easier to use .xsession |
| 16:14.35 | asg | spldart: it is the future basically. |
| 16:15.01 | takatumi | fred__: would hostap work in 2.4? orinoco worked in 2.6 but the performance with hostap was miles away. |
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| 16:15.34 | benjamindees | spldart, there's a backport if you're brave |
| 16:15.35 | stew | absolutzero: i generally just symlink one to the other and forget about it |
| 16:15.35 | bibe | spldart : the modular structure of x.org is way better than the "monolithic" structure of xfree86. That's the main difference, IMHO |
| 16:15.41 | spldart | so I better transition to xorg |
| 16:15.43 | spldart | backport? |
| 16:16.02 | benjamindees | !tell spldart about backports |
| 16:16.02 | absolutzero | good idea |
| 16:16.04 | asg | spldart: if you are running stable, you can use either. (/msg dpkg xorg stable) |
| 16:16.24 | asg | s/xorg stable/xorg sarge/ |
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| 16:17.01 | absolutzero | that way if I ever had a program the specifically reads .xinitrc, I won't run into any does not exist issues |
| 16:17.06 | spldart | I'm brave with my testing rig but i'm only fairly adept at linux thus far so anything requiring high levels of linux ability will be beyond me |
| 16:17.07 | fred__ | takatumi: well I have no idea. I chose that package after reading online "testimonies" |
| 16:17.17 | Otmenych_ | hi all |
| 16:17.35 | alba_ | ok, I had to set the time in the bios because hwclock was re-run at shutdown time, but now it works, problem vanished :) |
| 16:17.36 | takatumi | fred__: haven't tried anything with 2.4 so *shrug* |
| 16:17.39 | spldart | currently I'm running a testing unstable version of netinst |
| 16:17.49 | alba_ | thanks all |
| 16:17.50 | spldart | but it crashes and locks a bit :( |
| 16:17.51 | Otmenych_ | Is it possible to enable good rendering of truetype fonts in core X renderer& |
| 16:17.58 | asg | spldart: testing unstable? |
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| 16:18.07 | sdakota | hi |
| 16:18.15 | spldart | it's the 'etch' version of the netinst iso |
| 16:18.19 | spldart | just grabbed it recent |
| 16:18.22 | sdakota | how to change a users' password and home directory ? |
| 16:18.23 | thingfish | Debian sports superior font management, IMHO. |
| 16:18.25 | asg | oh, then its just testing |
| 16:18.26 | spldart | it has x11 org on the disk |
| 16:18.30 | asg | spldart: passwd, usermod |
| 16:18.31 | fred__ | takatumi: i don' t understand much. I installed stable at first but had to switch to unstable because of the wireless card drivers... and that's where i am now (lost) |
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| 16:18.34 | asg | bah |
| 16:18.38 | asg | sdakota: passwd, usermod |
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| 16:19.08 | fred__ | takatumi: where would you take it from here now? just a hint... |
| 16:19.15 | absolutzero | just added T.O.M.E man that is addictive |
| 16:19.16 | takatumi | fred__: run a 2.6 kernel then, orinoco is built-in, hostap is just an m-a away. |
| 16:19.18 | benjamindees | RolandU, xrandr |
| 16:19.27 | |DuReX| | hi guys, i had tonight a crappy hdd error, and seems it fucked up filesystem, i try'ed fsck, but after few hours i get 'e2fsck aborted' |
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| 16:19.32 | |DuReX| | any id how to fix it ? |
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| 16:19.44 | fred__ | takatumi: how do I upgrade? |
| 16:19.44 | sdakota | asg: so now I have a user with a certain password (usermod -p password username) |
| 16:19.54 | sdakota | asg: but I want it to be able to login using sshd too |
| 16:19.57 | sdakota | asg: how do I do that? |
| 16:20.08 | takatumi | fred__: so you're running unstable now? |
| 16:20.13 | fred__ | yes |
| 16:20.37 | sdakota | asg: using ssh** |
| 16:20.38 | takatumi | fred__: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 16:20.46 | nene_16 | ola como te llamas de donde res |
| 16:20.48 | fred__ | k |
| 16:21.01 | absolutzero | hmm can anyoe direct me to an example newuser script for ssh? |
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| 16:21.51 | fred__ | and then? |
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| 16:22.03 | absolutzero | for example: If the login with the usernae newuser, it runs a script that guides them though a new account creation, sets up a disk quota, default groups and permissions |
| 16:22.13 | Lilldude10 | i got new nvida card |
| 16:22.14 | alba_ | alright, thanks for your help, and apt-get install happy-new-year :) |
| 16:22.31 | spldart | thanks for the help guys... will try some stuff when I get off work today :) |
| 16:22.33 | asg | sdakota: unless you've changed something, ssh should allow password logins |
| 16:22.50 | fred__ | install the kernel 2.6 I find? |
| 16:22.59 | Lilldude10 | 5500 do i use nvida sight drivers or debian |
| 16:23.03 | famagosta | hi everybody. i am most busy trying to get debian running on a specific laptop. i found a document on the web telling me to use a 2.6.12 kernel, which i have obtained from snapshot.debian.net. however, i can't find the kernel-headers package that go with it, only the linux-headers package....but that don't suffice. any idea anybody? |
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| 16:23.06 | fred__ | seems to be installing something now..... will see how it goes thanks |
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| 16:23.25 | sdakota | asg: when i login with the user and password, it doesn't accept |
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| 16:23.40 | asg | famagosta: kernel-headers has been replaced with linux-headers after 2.6.12 since there are other kernels in Debian besides linux ones. |
| 16:23.56 | ezu5t | hi - I was wondering. I can use "more" and "cat" to view utf-16 files but "less" thinks they're binary and can't display. Anyone know how to get less to work with utf-16? |
| 16:24.06 | asg | sdakota: do you have access to the server? If so, check /var/log/auth.log. Also, using ssh -vv can help in debugging. |
| 16:24.07 | |DuReX| | whats the best filesystem for 1.75TB partition ? |
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| 16:24.21 | sdakota | asg: Wait - if I look in /etc/shadow, I can see the user there - and the literal password... shouldn't that be an encrypted password or anything? |
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| 16:24.24 | takatumi | fred__: I'm sure your 2.4 would work too, but you've been on this case for more than 6 hours, so ... ;) |
| 16:24.29 | orlowsks | has anyone tried vserver on debian? |
| 16:24.40 | fred__ | haha thanks... |
| 16:24.44 | famagosta | asg yes, i had that feeling having heard about hurd and the bsd things...still, module-assistant complains that it badly want k-headers not l-headers....can i set something like an alias or so? |
| 16:24.47 | ezu5t | also has anyone noticed something funny with the file completion of scp mode? it keeps printing sed: -e expression #1, char 20: unterminated `s' command whenever it completes anything |
| 16:24.51 | asg | sdakota: yes, it should be encrypted. Try using 'passwd <user>' as root to set it. |
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| 16:24.54 | ezu5t | [bash completion that is] |
| 16:24.57 | fred__ | well I am definitely new to Debian... I'm sure u can tell |
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| 16:24.59 | sdakota | asg: Yup, just did that ^^ Thanks |
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| 16:25.17 | fred__ | but thanks for the direction... i have time but starting to get crazy over this |
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| 16:25.19 | asg | ezu5t: are you using unstable? |
| 16:25.27 | ezu5t | asg - yes |
| 16:25.44 | asg | ezu5t: you might check the bts to see if someone has mentioned it |
| 16:26.06 | cyanid3 | has anyone ever installed a wireless pcmcia card before? |
| 16:26.18 | asg | ezu5t: #343312 |
| 16:26.27 | |DuReX| | whats the best filesystem for 1.75TB partition ?? ext3 or ? |
| 16:26.35 | asg | cyanid3: I used to have an Avaya World Card that worked like a charm |
| 16:26.36 | vasundhar | cyanid3: ... are U getting some error? |
| 16:26.49 | resiak | !anyone |
| 16:26.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:26.53 | benjamindees | |DuReX|, I'm sure you can google the size limits, almost any will work, depends on your use |
| 16:26.54 | cyanid3 | well, kind of |
| 16:26.57 | ezu5t | ah, thanks asg |
| 16:27.04 | vasundhar | asg I have a centrino machine |
| 16:27.07 | cyanid3 | i installed the hostap drivers |
| 16:27.14 | cyanid3 | it recognizes the interface |
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| 16:27.32 | cyanid3 | but when i try to ping a host on my network it says destination host unreashable |
| 16:27.40 | cyanid3 | i think it's a routing problem |
| 16:27.43 | |DuReX| | benjamindees: it will be intensive use, and should be easy to recover after error |
| 16:27.46 | cyanid3 | but i'm not sure |
| 16:27.55 | asg | cyanid3: does /sbin/route -n produce what you expect? |
| 16:27.56 | |DuReX| | cause ext3 takes like days to recover :s |
| 16:28.33 | benjamindees | |DuReX|, ext2 you mean? |
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| 16:28.54 | Otmenych | hi again |
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| 16:29.00 | |DuReX| | no ext3 |
| 16:29.20 | Otmenych | is it possible to get normal fonts via core X renderer (I mean truetype fonts) |
| 16:29.21 | resiak | dpkg: fs comparison |
| 16:29.21 | dpkg | i heard filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 16:29.23 | Otmenych | ? |
| 16:29.35 | asg | Otmenych: /msg dpkg font guide (try that a first) |
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| 16:29.47 | cyanid3 | i'm not a pro with routing, I've just done it a little bit. i have my network as the destination, gatway as 0.0.0.0, and the netmask as 255.255.255.0. In the next entry i have the default gateway, which is correct. Do i need anything else? |
| 16:29.54 | tosh | anyone using adsl in linux, if so, what ppp dialer are you using? I have a module loaded for the usb adsl modem, the ATM bridging binary is loaded, the line is up but I don't know what dialer to use |
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| 16:30.16 | asg | cyanid3: can you ping your gateway's ip address? |
| 16:30.18 | Otmenych | asg, I've tried everything, but w/o any results. In sarge all ok, but in etch fonts looks ugly |
| 16:30.29 | Otmenych | maybe there is bug in xorg ? |
| 16:30.36 | benjamindees | |DuReX|, are you mounting with data=journal ? |
| 16:30.49 | asg | Otmenych: that I don't know, I don't track etch. Only stable and unstable. |
| 16:31.29 | |DuReX| | no benjamindees |
| 16:31.30 | cyanid3 | no' it returns the same error |
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| 16:31.37 | |DuReX| | but its fucked atm :( can't get mounted |
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| 16:32.08 | absolutzero | jeesh... the newuser script is not gonna be feasiable |
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| 16:32.14 | absolutzero | way to much that can go wrong |
| 16:32.19 | RolandU | how do I enable xrandr in stable? |
| 16:32.23 | asg | cyanid3: okay, is the interface even up? /sbin/ifconfig |
| 16:32.38 | cyanid3 | yeah |
| 16:32.40 | fred__ | me again.. I get this now: Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version |
| 16:32.42 | fred__ | 2.6.14-2-386 on running kernel 2.4.27-2-386 in mkinitrd.yaird mkinitramfs |
| 16:32.44 | fred__ | dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.14-2-386 (--configure): |
| 16:32.45 | fred__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.47 | fred__ | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 16:32.48 | fred__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.50 | fred__ | any suggestion? |
| 16:32.57 | benjamindees | RolandU, /usr/X11R6/bin/xrandr |
| 16:32.58 | asg | fred__: stop pasting, use a paster bot or #flood |
| 16:33.08 | fred__ | sorry... |
| 16:33.15 | |DuReX| | what whould be the best to choose |
| 16:33.18 | |DuReX| | 1.75tb |
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| 16:33.20 | asg | fred__: check the /topic about borked yaird kernels perhaps |
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| 16:33.30 | |DuReX| | and ~6mb files |
| 16:33.50 | RolandU | benjamindees, but don't I need to enable it in xf86config-4? |
| 16:33.58 | cyanid3 | the status of the interfcace is up "broadcast running multicast" |
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| 16:34.16 | cyanid3 | without the quotes |
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| 16:35.46 | asg | cyanid3: paste the output of '/sbin/ifconfig | grep -A1 <interface>' |
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| 16:36.18 | daft | Is it possible to load a kernel with kexec on a ramdisk? |
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| 16:38.27 | edwin | what could be the cause of the boot process stopping at 'Loading Modules'? |
| 16:38.42 | edwin | and the pause lasts for upwards of 15 minutes? |
| 16:38.43 | Mackus | Does the "netinst" have a GUI interface by default or does one have to acquire one? |
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| 16:39.13 | absolutzero | is there a way so that when a user logs, a sheell script is automatically run? |
| 16:39.19 | absolutzero | logs in rather |
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| 16:39.21 | cyanid3 | wlan1Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:09:5b... \n inet addr:192.168.3.103 Bcast:192.168.3.200 Mask: 255.255.255.0 |
| 16:39.46 | ezu5t | thanks asg - I got rid of that annoying message |
| 16:39.51 | absolutzero | I could create a new user account called "newuser" ad then create a shell script that steps them through account creation, after which newuser logs out |
| 16:40.01 | asg | cyanid3: well, you Bcast should be x.x.x.255 on a C subnet. |
| 16:40.02 | cyanid3 | i had to type that by hand |
| 16:40.09 | asg | ezu5t: you're welcome |
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| 16:40.23 | cyanid3 | oh |
| 16:40.25 | cyanid3 | sorry |
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| 16:40.31 | cyanid3 | yeah, i typed it wrong |
| 16:40.37 | cyanid3 | it is 3.255 |
| 16:41.12 | asg | cyanid3: well, if your routing tables are correct, then the only thing I can think of is that you are running a custom kernel and forgot some IP stuff in the configuration. |
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| 16:41.34 | cyanid3 | hmm |
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| 16:41.42 | cyanid3 | I'm definitely not using a cusom kernel |
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| 16:42.03 | cyanid3 | let me show you my routing tables |
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| 16:42.07 | cyanid3 | *table |
| 16:42.07 | asg | cyanid3: okay |
| 16:42.17 | jaybuffet | whats the command to add a script to runtime ? |
| 16:42.24 | asg | jaybuffet: update-rc.d |
| 16:42.31 | jaybuffet | thank you |
| 16:42.48 | asg | jaybuffet: there is also ln(1) and rcconf if that doesn't suit your needs |
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| 16:43.57 | jaybuffet | update-rc.d worked for me.. |
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| 16:44.05 | asg | cool |
| 16:44.14 | jaybuffet | thank you.. now to reboot to see if all is well |
| 16:44.20 | asg | jaybuffet: you're welcome |
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| 16:44.57 | cyanid3 | here it is: http://pastebin.com/482991 |
| 16:45.33 | asg | cyanid3: is your gateway's ip x.x.3.2? |
| 16:45.40 | cyanid3 | yeah |
| 16:46.38 | asg | cyanid3: well, that looks fine then. |
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| 16:46.50 | cyanid3 | shoot |
| 16:47.26 | asg | cyanid3: and 'ping 192.168.3.2' returns unroutable host address? |
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| 16:48.33 | cyanid3 | yeah, when i try it returns : "From 192.168.3.103 ... Destination Host Unreachable" |
| 16:48.52 | absolutzero | so is there a way to autmatically run a script when a user logs in? |
| 16:48.56 | asg | cyanid3: and your client is 192.168.3.103? |
| 16:49.04 | nkuttler | absolutzero: how does he log in? |
| 16:49.07 | phaedrus_ | on the debian binary cd 14 |
| 16:49.08 | absolutzero | via ssh |
| 16:49.15 | phaedrus_ | what format is ndiswrapper in? |
| 16:49.16 | cyanid3 | yeah, i just checked |
| 16:49.21 | asg | absolutzero: your shell dotfiles |
| 16:49.29 | phaedrus_ | how do i install it from command? |
| 16:49.29 | absolutzero | login: newuser and then it runs the "newuser" script |
| 16:49.36 | absolutzero | dotfiles? |
| 16:49.46 | asg | absolutzero: man bash ; /INVOCATION |
| 16:49.56 | cyanid3 | could it be the way that i connected to my AP? |
| 16:50.02 | cyanid3 | using iwconfig? |
| 16:50.12 | absolutzero | danke |
| 16:50.36 | asg | cyanid3: well, it might not be connected. If you use static ips, you can bring up the interface irregardless of whether it is attached to the AP or network. |
| 16:50.47 | asg | cyanid3: if you use dhcp, then it must have connected to get the ip address. |
| 16:50.49 | absolutzero | yeah, I know to invoke .bashrc you type source ~./bashrc |
| 16:50.59 | cyanid3 | i use static |
| 16:51.16 | asg | absolutzero: the login shell will invoke that file also (after editing ~/.bash_profile) so you can run whatever commands you want at the bottom |
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| 16:51.30 | cyanid3 | i'm using wep as well |
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| 16:52.03 | asg | cyanid3: then I can only assume that they aren't associated. Try starting with a completely open connection, no wep, etc. and work up from there. |
| 16:52.21 | cyanid3 | hmm |
| 16:52.25 | cyanid3 | here's something |
| 16:52.36 | raz0rsedge | re. after installing amavis this error occurs: onfig file /etc/amavis/amavisd.conf does not exist at /usr/sbin/amavisd-new line 570. where is the config file? |
| 16:52.48 | absolutzero | excellent, getting closer to my goal |
| 16:52.58 | asg | raz0rsedge: apt-file search amavisd.conf |
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| 16:53.19 | cyanid3 | i'm getting a message saying that i'm using version 16 of the 'wireless extension' and i should be using version18 |
| 16:53.23 | phaedrus_ | can anyone tell me how to install ndiswrapper off a cd from command liine? |
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| 16:53.38 | cyanid3 | when i try iwlist wlan1 |
| 16:53.39 | asg | phaedrus_: dpkg -i /path/to/package.deb |
| 16:53.45 | phaedrus_ | cool |
| 16:54.04 | cyanid3 | and hten it says no scan results |
| 16:54.14 | asg | cyanid3: is your AP broadcasting its SSID? |
| 16:54.20 | cyanid3 | yeah |
| 16:54.20 | phaedrus_ | so i just browse the cd 14 and find the path? |
| 16:54.32 | raz0rsedge | asg: returns nothing as mentioned... there is no config file |
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| 16:54.44 | cyanid3 | there are other wireless networks around too |
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| 16:54.49 | cyanid3 | it would see them |
| 16:55.05 | asg | raz0rsedge: have you ever installed amavis before? |
| 16:55.11 | cyanid3 | so it's probably not installed correct? |
| 16:55.21 | raz0rsedge | asg: yes, i think thats the problem |
| 16:55.22 | asg | cyanid3: if it sees others that appear open, try to connect to one of them with DHCP |
| 16:55.31 | asg | raz0rsedge: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 16:55.57 | cyanid3 | okay |
| 16:55.58 | asg | raz0rsedge: if you deleted the file manually, the package manager will not reinstall it assuming you did it on purpose. |
| 16:56.02 | cyanid3 | thanks |
| 16:56.06 | cyanid3 | i'll be back |
| 16:56.12 | asg | good luck |
| 16:56.13 | abrotman | asg: slow down .. you just reentered the fray .. you don't want to get injured! |
| 16:56.13 | cyanid3 | maybe |
| 16:56.14 | cyanid3 | haha |
| 16:56.16 | cyanid3 | thanks |
| 16:56.23 | cyanid3 | i think i'll need it |
| 16:56.40 | asg | abrotman: I'm hoping I can get CTS so I can file for disability and spend the day on the poarch drinking mint juleps |
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| 16:56.54 | absolutzero | looks like I'll be using .bashrc, now I have to fid out how to get imput form the user and forward that to the mkuser and mkpasswd |
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| 16:57.33 | asg | absolutzero: there lots of ways. If you want a scriptable ncurses interface, try 'dialog(1)' |
| 16:57.52 | raz0rsedge | asg: okay that was it, thanx |
| 16:58.07 | abrotman | asg: you southerner :) |
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| 16:58.30 | absolutzero | no manual pages found fro dialog |
| 16:58.45 | resiak | !installit |
| 16:58.45 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 16:58.45 | absolutzero | man the typo demons won't stay off my keyboard |
| 16:59.02 | absolutzero | lol, I am looking for it now actually |
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| 16:59.51 | TonyRad | Hello |
| 17:00.17 | abrotman | TonyRad: /nick TonyGnarly ? |
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| 17:01.05 | TonyRad | Eh.... Rad is still cooler |
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| 17:02.09 | asg | abrotman: I live in the south but I'm far from being a southerner. Remember, I'm a Gumby |
| 17:02.25 | abrotman | asg: your wife must enjoy that during 'special' time :) |
| 17:02.49 | asg | abrotman: I've been known to be flexible at times especially when Pokey comes out |
| 17:02.54 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:03.00 | absolutzero | wow , dilog looks nice |
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| 17:03.05 | absolutzero | dialog* |
| 17:03.06 | resiak | !info dilog |
| 17:03.12 | TonyRad | I have a fileserver currently set up. .I have a question regarding filepermissions for it though. Is there a way to set it up so that when a user creates a file on the fileserver it will have specific filepermisions? ie: It currently sets permissions to rwe------ I actually want it to be rwerwe--- instead. |
| 17:03.17 | asg | absolutzero: it also has a gtk frontend too if you are into such things |
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| 17:04.01 | RolandU | hi again! I am trying to get rotate-feature of xrandr to work. Tried to edit xf86config-4, but it didn help. |
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| 17:04.25 | stew | TonyRad: you need to set that users umask to 002, /etc/profile sets it to 022 by default |
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| 17:04.29 | asg | TonyRad: help umask |
| 17:04.34 | gravity | RolandU: It don't know if that actually is supported |
| 17:04.43 | gravity | RolandU: At least, not in all drivers |
| 17:04.47 | TonyRad | Alright, cool. Thanks |
| 17:04.59 | RolandU | gravity, it needs support? |
| 17:05.07 | stew | TonyRad: check teh Permissions page of the FAQ there is some helpful bits in there |
| 17:05.21 | asg | !wikifaq TonyRad Permissions |
| 17:05.21 | dpkg | TonyRad: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:05.22 | gravity | RolandU: I think so. I haven't looked in detail |
| 17:05.27 | gravity | RolandU: xrandr isn't finished yet |
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| 17:05.54 | absolutzero | Yup dialog will make thngs easier for my users, and the script language is pretty simple |
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| 17:06.26 | asg | absolutzero: hell of a lot easier than using 'expect' |
| 17:06.33 | vincent_ | hi anyone know how increase the builing rate of mdadm ? (speed=2861K/sec) :/ |
| 17:07.52 | crash3m_ | why is it not possible to install a 2.6 kernel on sid, when running a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 17:08.18 | yalu_ | say... is there a way to ask lilo or grub "would you please be so kind to boot this cdrom"? |
| 17:08.21 | TonyRad | If I were to edit the /etc/profile to say umask 002 instead. That would change it so that all users were writing based on rwerwe--- then?? |
| 17:08.56 | stew | TonyRad: yes, excepting any users that might be overriding that in their own dotfiles |
| 17:09.27 | jaybuffet | what do i need to do to lock the screen after an hour or so ? |
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| 17:09.35 | TonyRad | ok, I like that idea a little more than 022 then |
| 17:09.40 | asg | jaybuffet: are you using X or console? |
| 17:09.47 | jaybuffet | asg: console |
| 17:09.55 | SerajewelKS | when i click on a mailto: link in firefox (1.5) nothing happens. how can i associate mailto links with thunderbird? |
| 17:09.57 | takatumi | crash3m_: with this error? Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation |
| 17:10.02 | crash3m_ | takatumi: yup |
| 17:10.13 | crash3m_ | yet I have yaird 0.0.12 installed |
| 17:10.19 | takatumi | crash3m_: probably a new error in yaird, not sure |
| 17:10.45 | takatumi | crash3m_: 0.0.12-2? |
| 17:11.02 | crash3m_ | takatumi: yup |
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| 17:11.29 | asg | jaybuffet: I know vlock can lock the console, I don't know if it has a timing feature though. |
| 17:12.01 | ofer0 | Where can I find my kernel headers? I compiled this kernel myself, and there's no package called kernel-headers-mykernversion in the repos. But I have heard that since I compile it myself, I must have the headers... |
| 17:12.53 | Gumby | asg: um, no..I am Gumby |
| 17:13.05 | stew | ofer0: ln -s /path/to/kernel-source /lib/modules-$(uname -r)/build |
| 17:13.23 | asg | Gumby: I didn't say the Gumby, just *a* Gumby |
| 17:13.31 | Gumby | there is only one GUmby |
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| 17:13.57 | ofer0 | stew, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2005-12-22 03:07 build -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.14.4 |
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| 17:14.00 | ofer0 | Thank you very much! |
| 17:14.01 | ofer0 | :) |
| 17:14.07 | ofer0 | stew, You are very helpful :P |
| 17:14.07 | asg | Gumby: http://orangecow.org/pythonet/fourthseason.html |
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| 17:14.40 | hid3 | Evening everyone. Is there any possibility to disconnect/kill all ssh sessions from the machine at certain time? (let's say at midnight) |
| 17:14.54 | crash3m_ | run a cron job to stop sshd? |
| 17:14.56 | goron | Are there any programs that decide given a binary whether or not that binary has a security leak? |
| 17:15.03 | asg | crash3m_: that won't stop existing sessions though |
| 17:15.10 | xtz | i have a problem with playing a DVD movie on debian Sarge with Totem... could any one help me ? i get this errors : http://pastebin.com/483038 |
| 17:15.11 | crash3m_ | if you killall sshd it sure will |
| 17:15.23 | hid3 | oh, good and simple idea, thanks :) |
| 17:15.25 | asg | crash3m_: in that case, yes. |
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| 17:15.58 | asg | goron: subscribing to debian-security and bugtraq will help. |
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| 17:16.32 | goron | asg: I mean a program that *discovers* leaks. |
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| 17:16.57 | asg | goron: bfbtester perhaps |
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| 17:17.20 | ^blade73^debian | ciao a tutti |
| 17:17.21 | goron | asg: looks somewhat interesting. THanks |
| 17:17.26 | asg | goron: you're welcome |
| 17:17.32 | asg | !tell ^blade73^debian about it |
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| 17:17.46 | stew | hid3: stopping the sshd daemon will not kill existing connections |
| 17:18.05 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 17:18.10 | ^blade73^debian | yes |
| 17:18.15 | elephantMan | How |
| 17:18.18 | ^blade73^debian | hallo all |
| 17:18.24 | hid3 | stew: I see.. I did killall -9 sshd and then started it, but now `w` and `uptime` displays N connected users, lol |
| 17:18.24 | goron | asg: do you know of others? |
| 17:18.45 | stew | hid3: that will also kill the sshd daemon disallowing new connections |
| 17:18.47 | tjbaudio | hello |
| 17:18.56 | asg | goron: the only others I know of require compiling the source with various monitoring / overflow checkers |
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| 17:19.12 | stew | hid3: you might want something along the lines of: ps aux | grep sshd | awk '$1!="root"{print $2}' | xargs kill |
| 17:19.20 | stew | hid3: (untested) |
| 17:19.31 | hid3 | thank, will try it |
| 17:19.34 | hid3 | *thanks |
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| 17:19.51 | gravity | !tell ZombB about away |
| 17:19.59 | asg | hid3: make sure your cron job restarts sshd at a suitable time later if you wish to reconnect |
| 17:20.10 | hid3 | yes, sure |
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| 17:21.16 | goron | asg: ok, thanks. |
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| 17:24.13 | TonyRad | Still on the umask question... What paths should be found in my /etc/profile ? |
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| 17:25.00 | Llama | hi all |
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| 17:26.08 | ViViD | is there a way to add a line to the end of a txt file with a command, instead of using an editor, im trying echo, but its overwriting whats already there..how to i add to the end? |
| 17:26.23 | dvs | ViViD: >> |
| 17:26.33 | asg | ViViD: echo foo >> file |
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| 17:27.26 | chrisg | Hopefully someone can help, I installed sarge with kernel 2.6.14, I'm running an installer program to setup my ATI Radeon card, but the installer complains that it has "no build environment". I do not seem to be find the correct kernel header package for 2.6 |
| 17:27.44 | absolutzero | hmmm I am wanting adduser to read a string from dialog... |
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| 17:27.54 | kspath_ | ViViD: echo "foo um foo foo bunny foo foo kit bunny hop" >> filename |
| 17:27.55 | dvs | chrisg: linux-headers-2.6.14 ? |
| 17:28.06 | asg | chrisg: and build-essential |
| 17:28.21 | absolutzero | if I were to put adduser string, it would create a user name "string" and not the value of the string |
| 17:28.22 | ViViD | thanks |
| 17:28.26 | chrisg | I will look again, one sec |
| 17:28.34 | ViViD | i was using echo foo > file heh |
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| 17:28.43 | g3brown | I'm trying to add an external HD to my Sarge installation. When Sarge is up and running I can add it via USB or SATA and all is well. When I reboot the system with the drive plugged in, I think it is ordering the ext drive first and it errors out duing the load |
| 17:29.11 | Llama | Hi all! |
| 17:29.23 | stouset | g3brown: Alter the boot order in the BISO |
| 17:29.29 | stouset | g3brown: s/BISO/BIOS/ |
| 17:29.31 | Llama | does it possible do detect SATA hdd temperature in sarge ? |
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| 17:29.43 | ice_1963 | what is the best way edit my /etc/apt/sources.list whit debian? |
| 17:29.50 | kspath_ | echo "" > file is a way to zero out a file but rm and touch can work also unless something someone has the file open still |
| 17:29.52 | chrisg | apt-get says no package can be found for linux-headers-2.6.14 |
| 17:29.53 | g3brown | stouset: Yeah, I thought at of that, but I don't see it in my BIOS. |
| 17:29.55 | asg | ice_1963: $EDITOR or apt-setup |
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| 17:30.16 | stouset | chrisg: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 17:30.17 | g3brown | stouset: I'm sure it's related to the add-on 3ware raid card I have. |
| 17:30.24 | kspath_ | ViViD: >> appends to end |
| 17:30.31 | stouset | g3brown: It's gotta be in there :) |
| 17:30.37 | WillR | hey all.. im looking for a program for Debian... that acts as a taask list / reminder.. so ppl can upload tasks they want ocmpleted and enter an email address(es) and the program reminds the listed parties as it needs to... something simple and webbased.. .. any ideas? |
| 17:31.08 | asg | WillR: trac might be a bit overkill but you might take a look |
| 17:31.11 | kspath_ | ViViD: glad you did not ask how to add a line to the top but that is easy also just different |
| 17:31.17 | absolutzero | anyone using adduser-ng? |
| 17:31.17 | chrisg | the apt-cache search returns nothing |
| 17:31.20 | ice_1963 | asg so apt-setup /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:31.30 | stouset | chrisg: Oh. Sarge? apt-cache search kernel-headers |
| 17:31.38 | ezu5t | WillR - korganizer |
| 17:31.45 | dvs | 2.6.14 isn't in sarge |
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| 17:32.05 | asg | ice_1963: no, just type 'apt-setup' |
| 17:32.05 | g3brown | stouset: I can select which one I want to boot first. That works or it wouldn't start to boot in to Sarge. When Sarge is loading I think it puts the ext drive as sda instead of the 3ware card. I don't know how to fix that. |
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| 17:32.29 | stouset | g3brown: Oh, hm. |
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| 17:32.32 | ice_1963 | asg ok t-u |
| 17:32.34 | ezu5t | ooops. you wanted web-based. nevermind WillR |
| 17:32.39 | asg | ice_1963: you're welcome |
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| 17:33.01 | stouset | g3brown: What error messages do you get when you boot? |
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| 17:33.18 | ezu5t | try this, WillR - apt-cache search calendar | grep web |
| 17:33.30 | g3brown | stouset: without actually causing it again what log would that be in? |
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| 17:33.56 | WillR | (ezu5t): does korganiser need kde running ? |
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| 17:34.07 | stouset | g3brown: Doubt it would be in a log. If it's not loading your drives, it can't really write to them :) |
| 17:34.12 | ezu5t | WillR - forget about korganizer... just do the apt-cache |
| 17:34.17 | WillR | ok |
| 17:34.19 | WillR | thanks |
| 17:34.28 | WillR | (asg): will look at trac.. thanks |
| 17:34.32 | tosh | anyone know why my pppd ignores the device parameter I put in its options file? I need it to link to nas0 and not /dev/ptsX, why would it ignore my setting? |
| 17:34.59 | dvs | tosh: Because the options file is obsolete |
| 17:35.04 | g3brown | stouset: I'll reboot it with drive plugged in then. |
| 17:35.11 | stouset | g3brown: Aye. |
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| 17:35.58 | ofer0 | How can I know using which gcc they have compiled my kernel ? |
| 17:36.05 | asg | ofer0: cat /proc/version |
| 17:36.25 | ofer0 | oh, thank you :) |
| 17:37.10 | tosh | dvs when I try pppd call adsl it still ignores the device name I put in /etc/ppp/peers/adsl |
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| 17:38.48 | tosh | Ive been through a lot of hassle getting this usb modem to work in linux, so the line is detected, now its just pppoatm and ppp stuff that I need to get right |
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| 17:39.40 | xtz | I try to play sounds on Debian Sarge, but the sound is playing much to fast in the speakers... does any one knows how to fix that ? |
| 17:39.44 | g3brown | stouset: I get a crap load of buffer I/O errors then finally a can't load dev/console. |
| 17:39.46 | tomas_ | how do I check the local IP on a debian server without root privilegies? |
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| 17:39.48 | tosh | I created the pap-secrets and chap-secrets files, have a /etc/ppp/peers/adsl file with the needed info in it, but when calling pppd it still wants to use the current terminal, being /dev/pts/<number> |
| 17:39.54 | tomas_ | i am logged in as a user |
| 17:39.58 | absolutzero | boy this isnt going so well |
| 17:40.25 | goron | What's OSS worth, if the code isn't documented... |
| 17:40.28 | g3brown | stouset: I'm pretty sure it is because the ext hd is sba and not sbb |
| 17:40.33 | asg | tomas_: /sbin/ifconfig should work as a non-root user |
| 17:40.42 | stouset | g3brown: Replace sba with sbb in /etc/fstab? :D |
| 17:41.01 | tomas_ | thanks |
| 17:41.09 | asg | goron: many consider the code itself to be documentation enough. |
| 17:41.17 | g3brown | stouset: Yeah, I guess that is what I will do. Except then when the device is not plugged in it isn't going to work. |
| 17:42.08 | smacnay | Has the gdkimlib1 package been superseded by another in Debian "testing" - mine has been on hold (not updated) for at least 2 months now. |
| 17:42.15 | chrisg | I installed some more headers, but I think they are for a different kernel version, as I get the same error |
| 17:42.25 | smacnay | also - pstoedit package has been held back for a long time. |
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| 17:42.48 | stouset | g3brown: Oh, it's something you want to plug in and out? |
| 17:42.49 | chrisg | I'm using the installer at http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/ |
| 17:42.53 | smacnay | sorry, that first one should have been gdk-imlib1 |
| 17:43.02 | goron | asg: But reading code without knowing its purpose is like impossible. |
| 17:43.42 | asg | goron: I agree personally; some people have a knack for understanding such things though. |
| 17:43.53 | g3brown | stouset: yeah, but it will probably be plugged in most of the time. The server will be in a remote location too. |
| 17:44.03 | asg | goron: exuberant-ctags is very helpful if there is no documentation though |
| 17:44.04 | g3brown | stouset: I won't always be around it. |
| 17:44.08 | tosh | anyone know why my pppd is ignoring the device directive Im giving it? the device is up |
| 17:44.09 | stouset | g3brown: Hm :\ |
| 17:44.18 | stouset | g3brown: I know there's a way to alter the order the modules are loaded in. |
| 17:44.39 | stouset | g3brown: You might want to find out what's autoloading the module for the external drive, and disable it. Then put that module in /etc/modules. |
| 17:44.49 | stouset | g3brown: Or remove it from the initrd... |
| 17:45.09 | nixxie | how does UML compare to linux virtual servers? |
| 17:45.18 | goron | asg: What does exuberant-ctags do? |
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| 17:45.23 | asg | nixxie: slower but more isolated |
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| 17:45.50 | asg | goron: it generates a list of keywords and functions from source code so editors like vi and emacs can automatically take you to a definition if you run across it while viewing the code. |
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| 17:47.04 | g3brown | stouset: Where do I look for modules? |
| 17:47.36 | asg | nixxie: if you are serious about virtualization, you might want to start looking at Xen. debian-administration.org has some good HOWTOs that cover it, among other things. |
| 17:48.30 | g3brown | stouset: preferrablly I would like to use the ext device SATA, so I would need to stop the on board sata drivers from loading. |
| 17:48.35 | stouset | g3brown: Different places, depending on at what point they're being loaded. |
| 17:48.54 | stouset | g3brown: You can't stop the driver for the booting hard drive from loading. |
| 17:49.16 | stouset | Anyone else know how to artificially change the order in which the kernel sees devices? I don't know, myself. |
| 17:49.33 | g3brown | stouset: yeah, the booting drive is on the 3ware card. |
| 17:49.38 | kristalino | where can i find a DVD rom to download (http or ftp) of debian stable ? |
| 17:49.54 | asg | stouset: iirc, some /etc/modules or /etc/modutils/* static overrides can do it. Don't quote me on that though. |
| 17:49.56 | g3brown | stouset: the ext drive is off the motherboard chipset 775 |
| 17:50.01 | nixxie | asg: so where's Xen in terms of UML/virtual servers? isnt Xen more like Qemu/vmwarE? |
| 17:50.39 | asg | nixxie: Xen -> virtual hosts == linux host -> uml hosts |
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| 17:51.09 | asg | nixxie: Xen just has better resource utilization since it doesn't emulate the underlying hardware. |
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| 17:51.58 | tosh | anyone know why my pppd is ignoring the device directive Im giving it? the network device that I want to use to bridge is up, but pppd keeps using the current terminal device. |
| 17:51.59 | asg | nixxie: for basic stuff though, UML is easy to setup and performant enough for most tasks. I run 13+ instances on a single 3.4 Xeon with 4G comfortably for our developers. |
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| 17:52.29 | stouset | asg: Yeah, that's what I was thinking, but then you have to also prevent the module from getting autoloaded earlier in the boot process. |
| 17:52.45 | asg | stouset: /msg dpkg blacklist (maybe) |
| 17:53.04 | stouset | asg: It doesn't emulate the underlying hardware? |
| 17:53.17 | stouset | asg: I've had very spotty results with module blacklisting, to date. |
| 17:53.21 | asg | stouset: after that, he could try using a sysvinit script to load the USB stuff the ext drive |
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| 17:53.42 | stew | i haven't been able to blacklist pcspkr recently, its annoying |
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| 17:54.17 | BucWheat | howdy all i'm running debian sarge stable |
| 17:54.17 | asg | stew: setterm -blength 0 in an init script works |
| 17:54.45 | dvs | !beer BucWheat |
| 17:54.49 | BucWheat | and my box can ping the router but it can't get outside of the network, i.e ping www.yahoo.com times out. i have set nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf what gives? |
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| 17:54.59 | Thorrn4_ | hey I was wondering: when will kde 3.5 be in sid? |
| 17:55.09 | asg | BucWheat: can you ping the nameservers you put in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 17:55.13 | stouset | g3brown: Sorry man, anything at this point I'm not really qualified to giving you help on. Take a look at some of the module blacklisting things, and see if you can get it to not load the SATA stuff at boot, and load later in /etc/modules. |
| 17:55.17 | asg | Thorrn4_: #debian-kde might know |
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| 17:55.43 | asg | stew: or mv pcspkr.ko pcspkr.ko.stabstabstab ;) |
| 17:55.49 | BucWheat | asg i get destination net unreachable |
| 17:56.03 | BucWheat | hrmm... could be wrong nameservers |
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| 17:56.09 | stew | Thorrn4_: /msg dpkg gnome 2.12 ; the second url in there has current info pertaining to kde |
| 17:56.14 | asg | BucWheat: did you set a default gateway in /etc/networking/interfaces ? |
| 17:56.14 | g3brown | stouset: thanks. I think I just going to build another system and use the 2nd system over ethernet to backup too. |
| 17:56.20 | stew | asg: yeah, i should do that |
| 17:56.54 | stew | asg: just annoying that i can't get it to blacklist, i should probably be filing a bug somewhere |
| 17:56.58 | stouset | g3brown: :) Sorry that this is so difficult. |
| 17:57.02 | tosh | anyone know why my pppd is ignoring the device directive Im giving it? the network device that I want to use to bridge is up, but pppd keeps using the current terminal device. |
| 17:57.05 | BucWheat | asg yes |
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| 17:57.19 | asg | stew: true. At least the shfs in 2.6.14 isn't causing kernel oopses on umount anymore |
| 17:57.32 | g3brown | stouset: I'm happy to be as far along as I am. |
| 17:57.46 | asg | BucWheat: then check the nameservers are right. Also, try to ping the following address '166.82.1.3' |
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| 17:58.31 | nixxie | g3brown: what kernel are you running? |
| 17:58.35 | nixxie | g3brown, stock kernel? |
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| 17:59.33 | Harley^ | Howdy |
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| 18:00.46 | Harley^ | Is http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-testing-amd64-binary-1.iso the same as the new Sarge AMD64 and also the same as Etch ? |
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| 18:01.22 | nixxie | harley: testing = etch, so thats probably an Etch image. so it's not sarge. |
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| 18:02.09 | Harley^ | nixxie So. Etch is not the same as Sarge. Thanks for untangling that bit of confusion :) |
| 18:02.26 | nixxie | stable=sarge testing=etch unstable=sid |
| 18:02.37 | Eulex | Harley^, that thing is unofficial and thus has no support. You should use the official sarge installer |
| 18:02.40 | falkon | I have a system that literally dropped off the internet for no reason and won't get back on. It's on the same network with nearly the same settings as this one. |
| 18:02.45 | Harley^ | Ah ! So that's the difference. |
| 18:03.37 | falkon | I tried to restart the system and I can access my SMB shares from it, but it will not communicate with the outside networks for no apparant reason |
| 18:03.54 | g3brown | nixxie: 2.6.8-2-686, Sarge |
| 18:03.58 | Harley^ | Eulex - Is there an official dvd iso of Sarge ? I couldn't seem to locate it in the myiad of directories at debian.org |
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| 18:04.34 | stew | Harley^: debian.org/CD |
| 18:04.40 | nixxie | g3brown, do this. start your pc with USB drive removed. when booted, do lsmod. then, insert USB drive. do lsmod again; not the extra modules that got loaded. |
| 18:04.48 | kspath_ | falkon: firewall? netmask? conflicting IP? conflicting MAC address? |
| 18:05.01 | cheal | Harley^: there are 2 |
| 18:05.07 | falkon | kspath_: MAC addresses CANNOT conflict. |
| 18:05.09 | Eulex | Harley^, iirc you'll have to jigdo it |
| 18:05.16 | teufel | Harley^: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 18:05.20 | bbrazil | falkon: yes they can |
| 18:05.31 | Harley^ | yuch... jigdo |
| 18:05.37 | nixxie | g3brown, list those modules in /etc/hotplug/blacklist and they will not get auto-loaded at boottime. im not sure on the file; try find /etc -name blacklist* |
| 18:05.37 | dvs | falkon: Rarely but possible |
| 18:05.39 | Eulex | Harley^, also, do you really need the full dvds? |
| 18:05.53 | bbrazil | falkon: its rare, but I know at least one person who it happened to |
| 18:06.00 | dvs | o_O |
| 18:06.05 | falkon | kspath_: the firewall hasn't changed, nothing has changed. It was sitting there being a good BT server then suddenly no internet |
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| 18:06.20 | falkon | Nothing has changed |
| 18:06.24 | g3brown | nixxie: when will they get loaded then? I have to manually load them? |
| 18:06.28 | teufel | I'm having some trouble with my linux gateway I have set up. I have a cable modem --> linux comp --> wireless router --> client machines the client machines can ping the linux gateway, but can't use web browsers or instant messaging or anything |
| 18:06.46 | nixxie | g3br: true, blacklisting removes them completely from loading automatically. |
| 18:06.51 | karsten | teufel: Sounds like a possible host resolution problem. |
| 18:06.56 | orlowsks | When you use apt to install a kernel patch..Does it apply the patch or do you still have to aplly it manually |
| 18:07.01 | karsten | teufel: ... can you resolve, say, www.google.com? |
| 18:07.28 | dvs | How many possible combinations are there for MAC addresses? |
| 18:07.31 | kspath_ | falkon: gateway is pingable? can you port scan your gateway IP on this "nothing has changed" box? |
| 18:07.34 | nixxie | g3br: but you can most probably just type 'modprobe usb-storage' and all will be well. quite possibly just blacklisting usb-storage might save you. |
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| 18:08.02 | falkon | kspath_: I can most definately access my SMB shares, ping the box, access the intranet |
| 18:08.12 | Eulex | orlowsks, you'll have to apply it yourself |
| 18:08.16 | teufel | karsten: the browser just gets stuck at "looking up google.com" |
| 18:08.19 | BucWheat | asg can't ping the address 166.82.1.3 |
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| 18:08.31 | orlowsks | Thank you Eulex |
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| 18:08.38 | karsten | teufel: Open a terminal window. 'host www.google.com' or 'dig www.google.com' |
| 18:08.41 | Eulex | teufel, try pinging google.com |
| 18:08.50 | orlowsks | Do you have to recompile |
| 18:08.56 | Eulex | orlowsks, yes |
| 18:08.57 | kspath_ | falkon: what is your gateway? a router? |
| 18:09.01 | teufel | Eulex: karsten: that doesn't work either |
| 18:09.02 | falkon | yes |
| 18:09.15 | falkon | kspath_: yep. DHCP as well |
| 18:09.17 | Eulex | teufel, does it resolve the ip of google.com? |
| 18:09.56 | karsten | teufel: Then you've got DNS fubared. What's in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 18:10.00 | karsten | !tell teufel about paste |
| 18:10.02 | kspath_ | falkon: what kind of security do you have setup? anything related to IP ranges or MAC addresses or hostnames? |
| 18:10.03 | karsten | !tell teufel about paster |
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| 18:10.04 | teufel | Eulex: says ping request could not find google.com |
| 18:10.13 | BucWheat | anyone in chan use SBC Yahoo! DSL ? if so i need the dns addresses |
| 18:10.15 | falkon | kspath_: not that I know of. |
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| 18:10.21 | Eulex | teufel, can you ping 64.233.187.99? |
| 18:10.39 | marc7 | i'm trying to purge exim4 from my fresh debian install, and replace it with a source build of qmail-ldap or mini-qmail... I'm using instructions at http://differentpla.net/node/view/166 to use equivs to install a fake MTA to satisfy system requirements, but when i run the `dpkg -i mta-local.deb` command, it says it conflicts with exim4 which is currently installed. |
| 18:11.08 | kspath_ | falkon: those are hints look at what IPs your machines have netmasks MAC addresses router configs security settings... |
| 18:11.09 | marc7 | should I run "apt-get remove --purge exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light" first? that gets rid of at, mailx, and mutt... and I'd have to apt-get install them again after I installed the mta-local.deb created by equivs |
| 18:11.16 | Zugschlus | marc7: please reconsider whether you want to run an outdated and unmaintained non-free MTA if you don't know how to solve problems that simple |
| 18:11.16 | nixxie | g3brown, the other alternative is to compile your own kernel, and build the 3ware driver in it + the usb storage drivers as modules. thats what i'd do. |
| 18:11.23 | goron | asg: Do you know what bfbtester does (in a high-level way)? |
| 18:11.32 | marc7 | Zugschlus: considered and reconsidered. qmail-ldap and mini-qmail it is. |
| 18:11.39 | marc7 | i have no problem maintaining those packages by hand. |
| 18:11.44 | orlowsks | Where is there good documentation on recompiling kernels? |
| 18:11.53 | darkness- | When i try ping 192.168.0.1 or an ip like 72.14.207.99 i get, ping sendmsg: operation not permitted? |
| 18:11.53 | teufel | Eulex: nope |
| 18:11.55 | marc7 | I'm just asking if there's a cleaner way to do it. |
| 18:12.01 | falkon | kspath_: why would the system suddenly and without anything drop off the internet after going solid for 30 days straight? |
| 18:12.01 | kspath_ | falkon: check your routes on the stricken machine |
| 18:12.03 | nkuttler | orlowsks: /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:12.07 | Harley^ | I hope I am not stepping on landmines here, but why do the directories of ftp and http download sites have iso's available for every other architecture except amd64 or x86_64 ? |
| 18:12.23 | kspath_ | falkon: that is what you can determine if you try |
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| 18:12.25 | falkon | kspath_: how do I do that? |
| 18:12.25 | xic | does someone know how i can adjust the monitor seting under debian? |
| 18:12.31 | nixxie | harl: amd64 isnt official yet. |
| 18:12.50 | kspath_ | falkon: man route man netstat man ifconfig |
| 18:12.50 | karsten | orlowsks: The kernel source READMEs and make-kpkg docs. |
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| 18:12.58 | nixxie | Harley^, #debian-amd64 |
| 18:13.10 | karsten | !tell orlowsks about kp |
| 18:13.17 | teufel | karsten: want me to post my /etc/resolv.conf in #flood? |
| 18:13.25 | xic | hello? |
| 18:13.31 | karsten | teufel: I'd prefer paster (channels.debian.net) |
| 18:13.31 | orlowsks | Thank you all..Sorry kinda new at recompiling |
| 18:13.33 | nixxie | !hi xic |
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| 18:13.40 | xic | does someone know how i can adjust the monitor seting under debian? |
| 18:13.41 | kspath_ | falkon: look at using mtr and nmap to help you as well |
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| 18:13.54 | Harley^ | nixxie thank you |
| 18:13.58 | karsten | xic: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-(xfree86|xorg) |
| 18:13.59 | kspath_ | falkon: man arp just for kicks |
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| 18:14.34 | g3brown | nixxie: My 3ware drivers are already in the kernel, no? I think I understand what you mean though. |
| 18:14.50 | xic | what should i do with this? |
| 18:14.52 | teufel | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1411 |
| 18:15.23 | nixxie | g3brown, quite possibly the 3ware AND usb storage drivers are in the kernel's initrd image (ramdisk) so at bootup it has both of those available. thats why i just build my own kernel in such a case |
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| 18:16.05 | absolutzero | carp, all i need is a new user program and I am ready to go, last bit is always the hardest I guess |
| 18:16.16 | ice_1963 | xic are you runing sarge ? |
| 18:16.29 | g3brown | nixxie: Yeah, I may look into that later. I've learn so much about linux/debian in the past couple of weeks my brain is too full to take that project on now. |
| 18:16.43 | nixxie | ;) |
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| 18:17.10 | xic | ice_1963: what? |
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| 18:17.25 | ice_1963 | xic are you runing sarge ? |
| 18:17.35 | soymilk | can anyone recommend a utility to keep data synced between a linux and vfat filesystem? there are consistent problems with rsync |
| 18:17.47 | xic | what does this mean? |
| 18:18.18 | joeljkp | i'm using alsa with oss emu and alsa-based esd; i have 2 sound cards, the first of which doesn't work; when i use an oss app, i can't hear anything; how do i set the default sound card for oss apps? |
| 18:18.23 | deuce868 | anyone have a suggestion on better to run testing or use backports to get php5 in a stable server? I |
| 18:18.28 | deuce868 | I've not used backports before |
| 18:18.32 | xic | i'm a linux newbe |
| 18:18.34 | teufel | karsten: ? |
| 18:18.36 | ice_1963 | xic dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:18.41 | nixxie | joeljkp: google "asoundrc" |
| 18:18.55 | xic | should i type this in? |
| 18:19.15 | falkon | kspath_: Fixed it! changed network card, problem solved |
| 18:19.17 | ice_1963 | yes |
| 18:19.21 | nixxie | deuce868, www.dotdeb.org |
| 18:19.22 | joeljkp | joeljkp: yeah, that doesn't work; this is for OSS apps |
| 18:19.31 | joeljkp | nixxie: sorry, directed at you |
| 18:19.39 | teufel | Eulex: have any ideas on what I can do? |
| 18:19.47 | falkon | kspath_: I knew it was waaaay too sudden to go running around with software, so I started with hardware |
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| 18:19.53 | kspath_ | falkon: wow must be nice to have spare network cards laying around |
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| 18:20.00 | deuce868 | nixxie: I used those before sarge went stable and had a broken mysql upgrade once that took several days to fix. Makes me nervous. |
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| 18:20.29 | absolutzero | anyone have a link to example "dialog" scripts? |
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| 18:20.55 | ice_1963 | ok that will do |
| 18:21.02 | kspath_ | falkon: yeah way too sudden for hardware to fail odd how it could see your whole intranet throw that bad network card |
| 18:21.11 | xic | not realy |
| 18:21.17 | kspath_ | through |
| 18:21.23 | ale_ryu | hi everyone |
| 18:21.33 | falkon | kspath_: only have one extra. It could still be a problem with the router, because now my local ip is .106 |
| 18:21.50 | ale_ryu | I'm having a little problem with apt and I was wondering if you could help me |
| 18:21.52 | kspath_ | maybe a new leased IP ? |
| 18:22.11 | falkon | kspath_: could be. this router gets kinda wonky |
| 18:22.34 | nixxie | deuce868, know what you're doing and itll be fine. i use dotdeb alot. |
| 18:22.44 | abrotman | ale_ryu: you have to be a bit more descriptive |
| 18:23.03 | nixxie | deuce868, :you probably went from mysql 3 to 4.0, 4.0 to 4.1 or 4.0/4.1 to 5 |
| 18:23.13 | ale_ryu | I made an apt-get dist-upgrade and I downloaded all the files needed, but when installing I get that udev needs kernel 2.6.12 and I have a 2.6.8 version |
| 18:23.29 | ale_ryu | so, udev is stopping all my upgrade |
| 18:23.31 | Eulex | teufel, sorry, dunno, was just inputting some general trouble-shooting instructions into you. anyway, that you neither can ping the specific ip of google nor resolve the dns means that the clients have absolutely no contact with the net |
| 18:23.31 | deuce868 | nixxie: yea, it was the 4 to 4.1 and a default character encoding problem. Was a while ago. |
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| 18:23.38 | dvs | ale_ryu: Testing? |
| 18:23.40 | abrotman | ale_ryu: what is your cpu ? |
| 18:23.47 | Eulex | ale_ryu, thus you need a 2.6.12+ kernel |
| 18:23.55 | ale_ryu | testing on a Celeron 2.4ghz |
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| 18:24.04 | teufel | Eulex: yeah.. <sigh> |
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| 18:24.09 | ale_ryu | I know i need a 2.6.12 kernel |
| 18:24.13 | abrotman | ale_ryu: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:24.21 | ale_ryu | doesn't work |
| 18:24.28 | abrotman | why not ? |
| 18:24.30 | abrotman | did you try it ? |
| 18:24.33 | ale_ryu | apt tries to install udev before installing the kernel |
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| 18:24.52 | ale_ryu | that's the main problem |
| 18:24.52 | abrotman | ale_ryu: did it download the package ? |
| 18:24.52 | dvs | abrotman: No, you told him something you know won't work. ;-) |
| 18:24.57 | ale_ryu | nope |
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| 18:25.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:25.03 | ale_ryu | not the kernel |
| 18:25.09 | teufel | I'm having some trouble with my linux gateway I have set up. I have a cable modem --> linux comp --> wireless router --> client machines the client machines can ping the linux gateway, but can't use web browsers or instant messaging or anything |
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| 18:25.46 | abrotman | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.12-1-686_2.6.12-10_i386.deb |
| 18:26.09 | nixxie | teufel, check your wireless router's default gateway |
| 18:26.14 | ale_ryu | yeah, i thought about installing it manually using dpkg |
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| 18:26.30 | Tortel | is the 2.6.14 kernel good? |
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| 18:26.33 | abrotman | ale_ryu: that's fine .. do it .. then you'll have .. ick (stupid udev maintainer) .. reboot .. then finish the upgrade |
| 18:26.37 | ale_ryu | but if it's depending on something else it won't install |
| 18:26.38 | teufel | nixxie: it's set to the linux gateway. I'm pretty sure that part is right because I can ping the gateway from client machines |
| 18:26.45 | abrotman | Tortel: did you flunk out of school ? |
| 18:26.46 | teufel | nixxie: just no internet access to the outside |
| 18:26.55 | Tortel | abtotman: not yet |
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| 18:27.14 | abrotman | thc: a new one "abtotman" !! |
| 18:27.15 | nixxie | teufel: hooking up a client in the same lan as the linux box works? e.g. without wireless? |
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| 18:27.25 | thc | haha |
| 18:27.29 | thc | that's golden |
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| 18:27.39 | abrotman | someday .. we'll see atitman |
| 18:27.44 | thc | why the fuck don't people learn how to use nick complete |
| 18:27.52 | absolutzero | oaky I tried n=`dialog --inputbox "Name:" 40 40` |
| 18:28.05 | teufel | nixxie: well its not the same LAN, I couldn't get it to work that way... the linux machine and the external ip of the wifi router are on one lan, and then the internal router and client machines are on another |
| 18:28.11 | teufel | nixxie: but they can connect to eachother |
| 18:28.18 | tom | the debian installer asks "Is the hardware clock set to GMT". how can i change that afterwards? |
| 18:28.22 | kspath | adrotten: I still do not have a job yet someday tenticles crossed |
| 18:28.32 | absolutzero | no luck, just a black screen until I hit enter |
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| 18:28.47 | asg | tom: afterwards, edit /etc/defaults/rcS |
| 18:28.56 | thc | asg in the house |
| 18:28.58 | nixxie | teufel: cablemodem<-UTP-->linuxbox<--SWITCH->wlanrouter |
| 18:29.01 | asg | thc: hiya |
| 18:29.07 | thc | asg: werdupkneegrow |
| 18:29.17 | absolutzero | hmm |
| 18:29.21 | thc | according to slashdot earbud headphones cause hearing damage |
| 18:29.22 | nixxie | teufel, make sure that it works if you plug a client in the switch, before you start doing wireless |
| 18:29.36 | ice_1963 | ab |
| 18:29.36 | tom | asg: and reboot, so the changes take effect? |
| 18:29.46 | thc | and it only took them 8 years to figure that one out |
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| 18:29.59 | nixxie | teufel, also, if the wireless router is not NATing but routing the wireles clients, make sure that the iprange of the wireless clients is included in ip forward/NAT rules on the linux box |
| 18:30.00 | kspath | abrotman: are you good at math? addrotten might be a fun nick name for your nick name |
| 18:30.06 | teufel | nixxie: ok, I'll try just putting my laptop next to the debian box. Do I have to have any kind of iptables set up or does just installing ipmasq work? |
| 18:30.30 | asg | tom: that would be the easiest way. |
| 18:30.41 | nixxie | ipmasq should work i think, im using iptables by hand |
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| 18:30.51 | ale_ryu | ok thanks guys! |
| 18:31.00 | BucWheat | asg how can i determine my dns servers? i do not have access to the router :( |
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| 18:31.29 | asg | BucWheat: does the router assign addresses using DHCP? If so, it should tell you your nameservers also. |
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| 18:32.23 | BucWheat | asg it does. let me get to a box that doesn't have a static ip address set |
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| 18:37.45 | thc | sarge's xmms package doesn't play ogg streams? |
| 18:37.49 | thc | without a plugin i mean... |
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| 18:38.09 | thc | or is my xmms borking out |
| 18:38.19 | teufel | nixxie: ok I tried just plugging the laptop into the linux gateway, and still not getting internet so I guess thats my problem: it's not forwarding the connection but making a LAN just fine |
| 18:38.23 | karsten | thc: It does, with the appropriate plugin, p'raps. |
| 18:38.33 | thc | thought so, but it isn't |
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| 18:38.55 | thc | the same ogg plays fine in curses players |
| 18:39.01 | karsten | thc: ... I don't see any ogg plugins in my package list. Should Just Work[tm]. |
| 18:39.06 | sisterkfe | hi |
| 18:39.13 | phaedrus_ | i need some help... |
| 18:39.19 | karsten | thc: http://hifi.kcsm.org:8040/vorbis2.ogg |
| 18:39.26 | thc | cheers. |
| 18:39.28 | karsten | thc: ... is a stream I play all the time. |
| 18:39.51 | nixxie | teufel, on the linux gateway, as root: iptables -L -t nat. if that returns nothing, you dont have any NAT rules. |
| 18:39.53 | thc | weird, it won't play that either |
| 18:39.54 | teufel | I have ipmasq installed, do I have to set up iptables to forward the connection or something? |
| 18:39.59 | phaedrus_ | when i type startx i get an error that just scrolls down the screen --> kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server |
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| 18:40.13 | goccia | thc: i have a oggvorbis plugin enabled in preferences and it plays oggs |
| 18:40.18 | thc | whenever i try and open an ogg, the xmms filebrowser opens up like it's asking me to navigate to a file |
| 18:40.32 | thc | goccia: that's what i need i think, thanks |
| 18:40.42 | goccia | np |
| 18:41.20 | goccia | teufel: still fighting ? :) |
| 18:41.43 | sisterkfe | i need help too, i have just installing my debian and when i reboot for the first time, its stays freeze...iam noob u see^^ |
| 18:41.58 | teufel | nixxie: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1412 |
| 18:42.10 | teufel | goccia: yeah... this is really frustrating lol |
| 18:42.15 | phaedrus_ | im trying to install kde from my new debian install |
| 18:42.17 | sisterkfe | i think it too |
| 18:42.19 | phaedrus_ | running into probs |
| 18:42.29 | teufel | phaedrus_: what problems? |
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| 18:42.52 | goccia | teufel: have you seen shorewall docs ? handy diagram ... |
| 18:42.53 | dvs | what probs? |
| 18:42.56 | phaedrus_ | i type startx and get an error kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server |
| 18:43.04 | sisterkfe | i have eroors concerning insmod |
| 18:43.05 | teufel | goccia: nope... I'll google it |
| 18:43.07 | nixxie | teufel, well, i use my own iptable rules. i use NAT instead of MASQUERADE as it is better suited for static ip cable/dsl. so you have to read up about iptables if ipmasq doesn't cut it for you |
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| 18:43.14 | asg | phaedrus_: if you type 'X', does X start or return some error? |
| 18:43.20 | soymilk | does there exist no solution for linux to faithfully maintain a mirror between a vfat and linux filesystem? |
| 18:43.21 | teufel | phaedrus_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:43.24 | phaedrus_ | i also am having trouble installing ndiswrapper from cd 14 of sarge |
| 18:43.37 | goccia | teufel: check the "corporate" :) |
| 18:44.02 | sisterkfe | arf somebody please? |
| 18:44.08 | phaedrus_ | is startx |
| 18:44.11 | dvs | phaedrus_: no internet connection? |
| 18:44.12 | phaedrus_ | and X the same? |
| 18:44.22 | phaedrus_ | no internet connection....just wireless |
| 18:44.23 | asg | phaedrus_: no, just type 'X' |
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| 18:44.32 | yves | Can't figure out pnpdump. Isn't it suppose to create etc/isapnp.conf by just running "pnpdump"? |
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| 18:44.40 | phaedrus_ | so i downloaded cd 14 that has ndiswrapper on it and i am having trouble installing ndiswrapper |
| 18:44.46 | soymilk | sisterkfe: please provide the error message |
| 18:44.47 | asg | phaedrus_: it should start X with no window manager (kill it with ctrl+alt+bksp if it does come up) |
| 18:44.50 | phaedrus_ | once i get that onboard i can use apt-get |
| 18:45.13 | teufel | nixxie: so with NAT you have to use iptables? |
| 18:45.21 | nixxie | teufel, yip |
| 18:45.27 | soymilk | !tell sisterkfe about doesn't work |
| 18:45.32 | nixxie | ipmasq is very old and imo, deprecated |
| 18:45.34 | phaedrus_ | how do i search throguh the directories on a cd? |
| 18:45.35 | nixxie | the package |
| 18:45.41 | phaedrus_ | i type ls but does nothing |
| 18:45.47 | dvs | nixxie: works for me |
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| 18:45.54 | secureboot | how can i create a copy of an lvm volume? I don't think i want cow snapshots - i want the exact same thing in lvm volume a in a volume b of the same size |
| 18:45.55 | soymilk | phaedrus_: search for what? |
| 18:46.08 | teufel | nixxie: is there a way to see if I accidentally installed like a NAT server on here that is messing ipmasq up or something? |
| 18:46.12 | phaedrus_ | im searching for the directory where ndiswrapper deb is on the cd |
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| 18:46.15 | secureboot | with cow snapshots, it seems like you're just keeping track of a delta, which won't work for me - there will be so many deltas that i need a true copy |
| 18:46.27 | dvs | phaedrus_: just use aptitude |
| 18:46.31 | phaedrus_ | so i can do dpkg -i /path/tondiswrapper |
| 18:46.35 | asg | phaedrus_: find /path/to/mounted/cdrom -name 'ndis*.deb' -print |
| 18:46.38 | phaedrus_ | how to use aptitude? |
| 18:46.40 | Evil_Pink_Robot | hi guys, i wanted to make Fn+F3 make my laptop suspend, how do i go about doing this? |
| 18:46.40 | soymilk | phaedrus_: use "find <path> -name <name> |
| 18:46.41 | nixxie | teufel: iptables -L -t nat *is* your forwarding table. it is "the nat server" you speak of |
| 18:47.08 | teufel | nixxie: oh so I do have NAT set up already? |
| 18:47.10 | sisterkfe | insmod:hint:insmod errors...cause io and irq parameters |
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| 18:47.25 | phaedrus_ | ok |
| 18:47.29 | BucWheat | what is the best way to give regular users access to /sbin/reboot and/or /sbin/shutdown commands? i need to give my users access to these |
| 18:47.35 | phaedrus_ | ill try...you all gonna be around for a while? |
| 18:47.35 | teufel | nixxie: isn't dhcp3 a NAT package? |
| 18:47.38 | asg | Evil_Pink_Robot: if xev shows a binding when you press it, then you can use xbindkeys to launch a sleep script. |
| 18:47.45 | phaedrus_ | thanks you for your help |
| 18:47.50 | nixxie | teufel, ipmasq sets ip masquerading but based on various defaults. customized firewalls are built with iptables. and no, dhcp3 doesnt have annything to do with NAT directly. |
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| 18:48.00 | nixxie | teufel: do cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward. does it return 1 or 0? |
| 18:48.11 | Evil_Pink_Robot | asg: thanks |
| 18:48.14 | soymilk | Evil_Pink_Robot: AFAIK it may depend on the laptop model. i know for thinkpads there's a special utility you can use |
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| 18:48.29 | teufel | nixxie: 1 |
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| 18:49.01 | nixxie | teufel: iptables -L. put that in a pastebin would ya |
| 18:49.13 | orlowsks | any ideas on how to find out what driver is used by the nic |
| 18:49.17 | soymilk | sisterkfe: many things could cause that error message. we cannot read your mind, and if you don't tell use what you're trying to do we have no way to know |
| 18:49.25 | orlowsks | lsmod? |
| 18:49.29 | sisterkfe | errors was : "insmod:hint:insmod errors...cause io and irq parameters" and after "insmod pciehp failed" |
| 18:49.39 | yves | Can't figure out pnpdump. Isn't it suppose to create etc/isapnp.conf by just running "pnpdump"? Anyone? |
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| 18:49.50 | Evil_Pink_Robot | soymilk: i do have a thinkpad, which utility? |
| 18:49.52 | soymilk | yves: yes |
| 18:49.57 | PupenoL | Is mini-dinstall supoused to copy/move the incoming packages from the incoming directory to the repository ? |
| 18:49.57 | sisterkfe | ok |
| 18:50.04 | teufel | nixxie: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1413 |
| 18:50.07 | Evil_Pink_Robot | soymilk: tpb takes care of thinkpad buttons for volume control and such |
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| 18:50.23 | sisterkfe | iwill describe how i have proceed |
| 18:50.36 | soymilk | Evil_Pink_Robot: google for ibm acpi |
| 18:51.00 | sisterkfe | i have begin with boot floppy |
| 18:51.05 | yves | soymilk: then why can't I see that isapnp.conf file in my /etc? Do I have to specifically tell isadump to create that file there? |
| 18:51.13 | Evil_Pink_Robot | soymilk, asg: thanks for the help |
| 18:51.17 | nixxie | teufel, looks OK. your laptop behid the debian gateway has 192.168.5.x i suppose? |
| 18:51.21 | sisterkfe | after i have installed by ftp server |
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| 18:51.51 | teufel | nixxie: yeah, 192.168.5.101 with default gateway 192.168.5.1 |
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| 18:52.07 | penguin | Is Sarge and testing different? |
| 18:52.13 | teufel | penguin: yeah |
| 18:52.20 | teufel | penguin: sarge is stable... testing is not |
| 18:52.31 | sisterkfe | and after partition etc at the first reboot, a text appears and freeze after |
| 18:52.34 | soymilk | yves: the man page says it outputs to STDOUT. |
| 18:52.38 | penguin | Will OO 2.0 come to testing? |
| 18:52.39 | sisterkfe | stable |
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| 18:52.53 | dvs | penguin: eventually |
| 18:53.09 | penguin | But it wont come to Sarge? |
| 18:53.15 | dvs | penguin: not officially |
| 18:53.21 | sisterkfe | sorry for my english |
| 18:53.26 | soymilk | yves: also check the "isapnp" command... |
| 18:53.31 | teufel | penguin: you can use sarge and also use testing packages |
| 18:53.34 | sisterkfe | im not english |
| 18:53.42 | penguin | Im using testing |
| 18:53.44 | dvs | teufel: NOT a good idea |
| 18:53.53 | soymilk | sisterkfe: what is your native language? |
| 18:54.11 | sisterkfe | soymilk: french |
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| 18:54.22 | nixxie | teufel i suggest reading up on iptables. i dont use the ipmasq package but write my own tables and i dont really have recommendations for packages that make that easier. |
| 18:54.23 | soymilk | sisterkfe: then why not asking in #debian-fr ? |
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| 18:54.43 | penguin | They should get rid of stable and require Sarge in sources.list |
| 18:54.49 | teufel | nixxie: ok thanks for the help |
| 18:55.02 | dvs | penguin: Yes, I agree with you |
| 18:55.16 | yves | soymilk: I read the pnpdump, isapnp and isapnp.conf MAN pages to no avail. Maybe i'm not looking at the right ones? |
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| 18:55.26 | sisterkfe | soymilk: guuys on this forum dont ask to my questions |
| 18:55.35 | penguin | My other computer is all goofed up with Woody and Sarge mixed up in it. |
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| 18:55.42 | nixxie | teufel, for instance i'd use iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s $LAN1IP/24 -d 0/0 -o $INETIF -j SNAT --to $INETIP |
| 18:56.13 | nixxie | teufel, where LAN1IP would be 192.168.5.1, INETIF your internet nic interface, INETIP the internet ip |
| 18:56.30 | penguin | Which question? |
| 18:57.12 | sisterkfe | not you i was talking to soymilk about french forum |
| 18:57.14 | penguin | If you partitioned your hard drive there is good chance you erased everything |
| 18:57.20 | soymilk | yves: and /usr/share/doc/isapnptools has no info? |
| 18:57.24 | tarzeau | !acid |
| 18:57.24 | dpkg | "It's so easy to get acid. You can get it anywhere.", or the analysis console for intrusion databases, a php based engine to search snort logs, available at http://acidlab.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:57.34 | tarzeau | !factinfo acid |
| 18:57.35 | dpkg | acid -- last modified at Wed Mar 27 11:16:05 2002 by don_inlab!~don@rzlab.ucr.edu; it has been requested 8 times, last by sep at Tue Mar 29 21:19:09 2005. |
| 18:57.44 | tarzeau | don_inlab: you say it's easy to get acid? |
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| 18:59.38 | goccia | in the sky with diamonds ? |
| 18:59.47 | tarzeau | goccia: yeah that acid |
| 18:59.52 | goccia | tarzeau: :) |
| 19:00.03 | tarzeau | goccia: i've failed to get any, and i've tried pretty hard |
| 19:00.32 | tarzeau | goccia: seems the bust in 2000 where apperson and pickard were prisoned really was bad for it |
| 19:00.35 | yves | soymilk: I was looking at the MAN pages on the isapnptools site http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ |
| 19:00.54 | soymilk | yves: always check /usr/share/doc/<package> for useful info |
| 19:00.58 | tarzeau | goccia: i'll try my last time and luck in two weeks at www.lsd.info |
| 19:01.00 | nayyres | i am old user of MSfrontpage, i have used bluefish but it is not completed replace of frontpage, is there any exact replace of frontpage? |
| 19:01.11 | goccia | tarzeau: hahahah :) |
| 19:01.13 | soymilk | yves: why not the man page on your computer? |
| 19:01.21 | tarzeau | goccia: what's so funny about it? ;) |
| 19:01.38 | tarzeau | goccia: don't tell me you can have it on every little market in italy... |
| 19:01.45 | goccia | tarzeau: nope |
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| 19:04.00 | goron | asg: I think I understand why bfbtester does, but it's not really advanced. |
| 19:04.08 | car20onsh01a | i have a SATA HDD drive and I am trying to do a net install for debian, however, it fails to detect the hard drive. |
| 19:04.08 | yves | soymilk: I'm learning how all this Linux thing works. I will read these then. Thanks |
| 19:04.13 | ice_1963 | were can i go and read on how to setup snort? |
| 19:04.31 | bizkit | ice_1963: manpage? |
| 19:04.34 | goron | yves: Debian is not only Linux. |
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| 19:04.41 | soymilk | yves: "man pnpdump" in a console |
| 19:04.46 | goccia | tarzeau: it is a matter of culture : time has gone my friend , Captain Tripping gone and all is shit |
| 19:05.19 | harleyg | i have a speedtouch 330 usb modem here, how do i make a router out of my server :D - noobie question, sounds even noobier when i say it but hey! :D |
| 19:05.19 | goccia | i'd rather be with him |
| 19:05.21 | soymilk | yves: and, just redirect pnpdump output like: "pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf" |
| 19:05.32 | tarzeau | goccia: i think this seminar in basel will be very interesting... i'll be there from friday on, it's just half an hour from me |
| 19:05.32 | ice_1963 | bizkit t-u :0) |
| 19:05.47 | soymilk | yves: or use "isapnp > /etc/isapnp.conf" |
| 19:06.02 | tarzeau | goccia: have you heard about .ru legalizing it? there was some talk on the appropriate newsgroups |
| 19:06.08 | bizkit | harleyg: you want to setup a nat gateway? |
| 19:06.16 | harleyg | well like hi |
| 19:06.20 | harleyg | opps |
| 19:06.22 | harleyg | well like this |
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| 19:06.45 | yves | soymilk: thanks, I'll look into these. |
| 19:06.48 | harleyg | phoneline - 330 usb - server, then from the servers ethernet card it goes to a switch |
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| 19:06.57 | teufel | bizkit: I'm interested in setting up a NAT gateway... what is the best package to install for this and I can read up on iptables |
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| 19:07.04 | harleyg | but the server acts like a router, with port forwarding, i heard this can be done with iptablrs? |
| 19:07.08 | harleyg | iptables |
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| 19:07.13 | harleyg | god damn wireless keyboard |
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| 19:07.45 | bizkit | yes, iptables on >=2.4 |
| 19:07.58 | liran_ | the only way to check for user details on the system are /var/log? |
| 19:08.07 | bizkit | but you need certain kernel modules, dunno if the debian packages one has them included |
| 19:08.15 | harleyg | ok |
| 19:08.19 | bizkit | s/packages/packaged/ |
| 19:08.23 | asg | goron: no, after looking at it more, I agree with your assessment. |
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| 19:08.36 | harleyg | but how the hell do i do with iptables |
| 19:08.55 | asg | liran_: what user details? |
| 19:09.03 | harleyg | btw whats the latest kernel in debian... |
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| 19:09.13 | asg | harleyg: which debian version? |
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| 19:09.33 | teufel | If I have ipmasq set up, and then install a firewall, do I have to get rid of ipmasq or do they work together? |
| 19:09.44 | harleyg | i dunno |
| 19:09.46 | harleyg | i use 2.6 |
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| 19:10.01 | dvs | harleyg: cat /etc/debianversion |
| 19:10.04 | goccia | tarzeau: when i think about Timoty Leary then his daughter then computers i feel somwhow better : keep on rolling :) |
| 19:10.05 | bizkit | harleyg: he asks for woody, sarge, etch, sid.. |
| 19:10.10 | harleyg | oh.. |
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| 19:10.15 | dvs | harleyg: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:10.24 | bizkit | teufel: uname -r? |
| 19:10.31 | harleyg | (harleyg@linuxlabs) (~)-(19:16:43) $ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:10.32 | harleyg | testing/unstable |
| 19:10.46 | teufel | bizkit: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:10.55 | harleyg | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 19:11.10 | liran_ | any recommendation for a good rootkit finder? |
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| 19:11.22 | bbrazil | chkrootkit and jkhunter |
| 19:11.26 | asg | harleyg: unstable has 2.6.14 and 2.4.27 |
| 19:11.36 | asg | liran_: chkrootkit and rkhunter are two good ones |
| 19:11.37 | harleyg | yesyes... |
| 19:11.39 | bizkit | teufel: you can have fun with iptables then, no need for sth. else. (however, if you need a frontend to iptables, there are some real good ones out) |
| 19:11.39 | liran_ | thanks |
| 19:11.45 | harleyg | but im not in the mood to reboot my server :) |
| 19:11.47 | tarzeau | goccia: he's still in a prison, leary i think? |
| 19:11.57 | harleyg | why cant i do it in 2.6? |
| 19:12.15 | soymilk | i think there was an optimal time when searching the internet for info was really useful. now it is mostly congested with craploads of noise. |
| 19:12.24 | bizkit | harleyg: iptables is also within 2.6 |
| 19:12.34 | harleyg | yes |
| 19:12.38 | harleyg | i have iptables... |
| 19:12.40 | teufel | bizkit: STH? Yeah I heard ipmasq was an easy enough frontend to just do forwarding but I cant even get that working =/ |
| 19:12.55 | harleyg | but i dont understand how its meant to help me :) how do i use it? |
| 19:13.00 | harleyg | isnt there a tutorial for this stuff/ |
| 19:13.08 | bizkit | teufel: i guess you're from germany? http://www.adsl4linux.de |
| 19:13.12 | soymilk | teufel: its says right there in the iptables man page how to set up a masquerading NAT, if you read |
| 19:13.40 | asg | harleyg: there is an iptables HOWTO at tldp.org |
| 19:13.45 | harleyg | ok |
| 19:13.46 | bizkit | many |
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| 19:13.52 | teufel | soymilk: I have read a lot of stuff about it... it says it's working fine but client computers can't go anywhere outside the lan |
| 19:14.02 | asg | harleyg: if you want something to create iptables rules for you, look at the firehol package. |
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| 19:14.13 | Cha1ns4w | asq>or vuurmuur :) |
| 19:14.21 | bizkit | teufel: well you have to setup the clients, too |
| 19:14.28 | comforteagle | is there anyway to do a remote reinstall of debian-sarge? |
| 19:14.29 | soymilk | teufel: is their default route set correctly? did you enable ip_forward on the router? |
| 19:14.37 | bizkit | teufel: either via dhcp or setting the gateway manually |
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| 19:14.51 | harleyg | but how do i check if i have PPPoE or PPPoA |
| 19:14.56 | harleyg | 8) |
| 19:15.06 | harleyg | my router just says obtain ip auto |
| 19:15.11 | teufel | soymilk: bizkit: yeah, I tried both dhcp and static, was connecting to default gateway, just doesn't work |
| 19:15.13 | harleyg | but it still doesnt seem to change |
| 19:15.23 | soymilk | teufel: you just ignored my question |
| 19:15.25 | tarzeau | goccia: i'll keep you updated, good night |
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| 19:15.45 | goccia | tarzeau: have a nice time :) |
| 19:15.50 | teufel | soymilk: sorry, yes ip_forward is set to yes on /etc/network |
| 19:16.03 | teufel | soymilk: default route? |
| 19:16.22 | bizkit | teufel: on your client machines |
| 19:16.24 | Spec | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 19:16.25 | harleyg | what is PPPtP |
| 19:16.27 | soymilk | teufel: yes default route=gateway |
| 19:16.34 | Jonathan` | What program(s)/script(s) should I use to if I wanna backup files through a cron job to both another debian box and to a windows server on our network? |
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| 19:16.47 | teufel | soymilk: bizkit: oh... yeah the default gateway was all set up too |
| 19:16.50 | bizkit | teufel: user route add default gw <ip of your gateway> |
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| 19:16.54 | bizkit | -r |
| 19:17.02 | soymilk | teufel: WTF is /etc/network? how could you set ip_forward there? |
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| 19:17.14 | stew | soymilk: he meant /etc/network/options |
| 19:17.14 | soymilk | jesus |
| 19:17.16 | asg | Jonathan`: tar/pax/dump + shfs (for a remote debian mount) + smbfs (for a remote Windows mount) |
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| 19:17.32 | deuce868 | I am trying to replace lilo with grub on a dedicated server I purchased. I am wondering how to make absolute sure that grub is setup to handle the boot process instead of lilo? |
| 19:17.34 | teufel | soymilk: what stew said |
| 19:17.45 | soymilk | teufel: default gateway? you mean default route. set to what? |
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| 19:18.06 | teufel | soymilk: the internal ip address of my second NIC card. 192.168.5.1 |
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| 19:18.15 | soymilk | stew: you can enable ip forwarding in there? |
| 19:18.19 | Kuwanger | Okay, I've got a problem. I've got mount-aes and loop-aes installed, but dselect says there's no avaialble versions. Am I using too old of a version of Debian? |
| 19:18.22 | yves | soymilk: I did isapnp > /etc/isapnp.conf and it just created an empty file in /etc |
| 19:18.25 | LinuxNIT | how do i exit and save in visudo? |
| 19:18.26 | stew | soymilk: yes, for now, its deprecated however |
| 19:18.30 | soymilk | teufel: "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
| 19:18.41 | asg | LinuxNIT: :wq |
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| 19:18.46 | LinuxNIT | ty |
| 19:18.51 | teufel | soymilk: 1 =P |
| 19:19.13 | stew | soymilk: /etc/init.d/networking processes the /etc/network/options file upon 'start' |
| 19:19.16 | teufel | soymilk: well it's 0 now because I just installed shorewall and got rid of ipmasq but it was 1 |
| 19:19.16 | soymilk | teufel: and what does "route -n" say on the client machines? |
| 19:19.28 | bizkit | Kuwanger: i compiled it like describes in loop-aes.sf.net/loop-AES.README |
| 19:19.31 | soymilk | teufel: well, if its not "1" then it will never work! |
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| 19:19.57 | Kuwanger | bizkit: Ie, you're recommending I d/l gcc and compile it? |
| 19:20.04 | teufel | soymilk: I'm trying something new now... I just didn't understand why it wasn't working before -- |
| 19:20.22 | bizkit | Kuwanger: dunno which version is packages on your debian version, what are you using? |
| 19:20.30 | teufel | soymilk: how do you enable ip_forward the way you do it then? |
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| 19:21.01 | Kuwanger | bizkit: I've no idea. I installed from Damn Small Linux. |
| 19:21.18 | stew | teufel: you should either do it as part of your firewall script, or with sysctl.conf (man sysctl.conf ; man sysctl) |
| 19:21.28 | bizkit | Kuwanger: woody, sarge, etch, sid? |
| 19:21.44 | Kuwanger | bizkit: Is there something I can run to find out? |
| 19:21.52 | bizkit | Kuwanger: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:21.56 | stew | Kuwanger: you are in the wrong channel, /join #damnsmalllinux |
| 19:22.07 | soymilk | teufel: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 19:22.24 | bizkit | stew: didn't he just install debian? perhaps i misunderstood him.. |
| 19:22.44 | asg | bizkit: he installed from DSL according to what he said above |
| 19:22.51 | Kuwanger | bizkit: testing/unstable |
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| 19:23.08 | stew | bizkit: no he said, "I installed from Damn Small Linux." |
| 19:23.08 | bizkit | asg: you can install debian from another distro |
| 19:23.09 | teufel | soymilk: it says in the sysctl.conf doc that it should just be ip_forward = 1 |
| 19:23.31 | asg | bizkit: indeed. It doesn't mean that said installation will be sane. |
| 19:23.33 | Kuwanger | stew: I can join #damnsmalllinux, but I doubt they'll be much help, as there isn't a later version of a loop-aes package. |
| 19:23.49 | soymilk | teufel: sysctl.conf is another way to have it automatically set at boot |
| 19:23.54 | asg | Kuwanger: the Debian way of installing loop-aes is to use module-assistant. |
| 19:24.28 | teufel | soymilk: oh, so you just type that in every time? |
| 19:24.36 | teufel | soymilk: the echo line |
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| 19:25.17 | Kuwanger | asg: I see. |
| 19:25.18 | odla | is there a acpi battery monitor that i could use for icewm other than gkrellm? |
| 19:25.18 | soymilk | teufel: the echo line is a general way of setting any sysctl in /proc you can do that manually. you can also set values in /etc/sysctl.conf so that they will automatically get set at boot |
| 19:25.29 | odla | any suggestions? |
| 19:25.34 | bizkit | odla: search for the blackbox tools |
| 19:25.44 | teufel | soymilk: ah ok |
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| 19:25.56 | soymilk | teufel: just think of the sysctl's as switches that you are turning things on/off in the kernel |
| 19:26.09 | teufel | soymilk: ah ok |
| 19:26.13 | bizkit | odla: wmacpi |
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| 19:26.42 | soymilk | teufel: but make sure ip_forward is set to 1 now for NAT to work |
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| 19:27.09 | soymilk | i thought the iptables man page had an example line for NAT but it doesn't (anymore) |
| 19:27.19 | PupenoL | Is mini-dinstall supoused to copy/move the incoming packages from the incoming directory to the repository ? |
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| 19:27.21 | teufel | soymilk: done and done |
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| 19:27.44 | Jonathan` | hmm.. does anyone use rsnapshot? |
| 19:28.09 | soymilk | teufel: basically, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <external interface> -j MASQUERADE |
| 19:28.10 | bizkit | dpkg: tell Jonathan` about anyone |
| 19:28.11 | odla | bizkit: it's blank |
| 19:28.17 | odla | bizkit: wmacpi that is |
| 19:28.22 | odla | bizkit: i ran it from the term |
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| 19:28.51 | bizkit | odla: dunno i don't use it. try man wmacpi, dpkg -L wmacpi | grep doc |
| 19:29.02 | Jonathan` | well, is it possible to backup to a windows computer on the network using rnapshot? |
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| 19:29.13 | odla | i read the man...nothing there...other than it's a doc app |
| 19:29.20 | yves | soymilk: I managed to create /etc/ isapnp.conf. Can you help me out with the configuration of my soundcard? |
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| 19:29.53 | bizkit | Jonathan`: yes, if you can mount the remote windows stuff via cifs |
| 19:30.04 | soymilk | yves: did you allocate an IRQ and DMA to it in your BIOS settings? |
| 19:30.20 | Jonathan` | hmm |
| 19:30.29 | bizkit | Jonathan`: it should work, however you could have a look on rsync. but you need to mount the windows stuff anyway |
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| 19:30.42 | Jonathan` | well, right now i just have it all running through samba |
| 19:30.51 | Jonathan` | im not 100% sure how to mount it up to the network drives |
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| 19:30.59 | yves | soymilk: I didn't setup anything in my BIOS |
| 19:31.13 | Laerti_el | hi i need some help |
| 19:31.15 | Laerti_el | hi i need some help |
| 19:31.22 | bizkit | dpkg: tell Laerti_el about ask |
| 19:31.33 | bizkit | Jonathan`: humm, what do you mean? specify |
| 19:31.36 | ViViD | if i add a line to a file with 'echo foo >> file', how would i remove that line in the same manner later on? |
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| 19:31.48 | Jonathan` | how do i mount the windows stuff? |
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| 19:31.54 | dvs | bot attack! |
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| 19:31.56 | asg | ViViD: that's much harder |
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| 19:32.05 | bizkit | Jonathan`: using cifs if the windows is >=2000 |
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| 19:32.08 | soymilk | yves: its needs an IRQ and DMA to be allocated in the BIOS. normally IRQ 7 (or 5) |
| 19:32.11 | bizkit | Jonathan`: else use smbfs |
| 19:32.27 | ViViD | asg, i figured it would be, think theres a tutorial on it somewhere? |
| 19:32.32 | bizkit | Jonathan`: man mount.cifs as root |
| 19:32.53 | Shadowcat | >:) |
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| 19:33.05 | bizkit | Shadowcat: miau |
| 19:33.07 | bizkit | :-) |
| 19:33.11 | yves | soymilk: hmmm.... I'll look into this. Not sure though how to do it. |
| 19:33.30 | asg | ViViD: well, basically, you copy the file minus the last line to a temp file and mv the temp file over the original. Otherwise, you can do some lowlevel coding to seek to the last line and truncate it. |
| 19:33.34 | ViViD | asg, maybe i could perform a bakup of file, then echo..and the remove script would delete file and rename bakup |
| 19:33.47 | soymilk | yves: or... buy a modern motherboard and get rid of old ISA garbage... |
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| 19:34.22 | bbrazil | ViViD: inplace deletion with sed |
| 19:34.35 | bbrazil | ViViD: or grep -vx with a temp file |
| 19:35.05 | mastah | quick question (sorry if it's not the place): i buying a laptop: i want small (12' or 14'), below 1500$, and debian friendly... someone has a suggestion? |
| 19:35.09 | yves | soymilk: I know. I plan to do this eventually. But I'd like to go thru with this as a learning experience. |
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| 19:35.24 | Hostix | hey |
| 19:35.30 | asg | mastah: thinkpads are friendly. Check tuxmobile.org for user testimonials of various laptops |
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| 19:35.44 | soymilk | yves: used pci sound card on ebay, maybe €5 |
| 19:35.52 | Kuwanger | Guess I'll go with a simpler approach. :/ |
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| 19:36.03 | soymilk | maybe learning to ebay is more useful... |
| 19:36.06 | yves | soymilk: ...and the fact that I can't spare any $$$ at the moment. ;) |
| 19:36.33 | bizkit | ViViD: have a look on http://sed.sourceforge.net/sed1line.txt, very handy sed one-liners |
| 19:36.37 | Hostix | i want to make a debian network installation, but i have some questions |
| 19:36.55 | Jonathan` | is there anything i need to setup on the windows side to use mount.cifs? |
| 19:37.00 | Hostix | how much does a mimimal installation fil? |
| 19:37.13 | Hostix | an do i need to find mirrors? |
| 19:37.34 | mastah | thanks asg, i did a lot of research, i wanted to know what you guys use/prefer? |
| 19:37.47 | dvs | Hostix: You don't have to use a mirror but it's a good idea. |
| 19:37.52 | odla | what's the name of gnomes battery applet and can i use it in icewm? |
| 19:38.10 | asg | mastah: I've had good luck with my TP R40. I currently use a Latitude D600 but it doesn't support suspend/resume. |
| 19:38.34 | Hostix | dvs: can i just pick them from a list or do i need to find them an type them in? |
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| 19:38.43 | RolandU | is there an easy way to delete, format, move partitions without damaging the content? |
| 19:38.49 | dvs | Hostix: I think you can pick from a list |
| 19:38.59 | mastah | ok thanks! |
| 19:39.00 | Hostix | good :) |
| 19:39.08 | Shadowcat | RolandU: go look up those words in a dictionary |
| 19:39.10 | bizkit | dpkg: ops could you add sed one-liners are on http://sed.sourceforge.net/sed1line.txt to the sed factoid? |
| 19:39.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: could you add sed one-liners are on http://sed.sourceforge.net/sed1line.txt to the sed factoid |
| 19:39.15 | Shadowcat | I don't think you know what they mean |
| 19:39.23 | Cha1ns4w | i dont even know how to install anymore weh |
| 19:39.45 | cahoot | RolandU: not without a good backup to restore from |
| 19:39.48 | asg | !sed is also http://sed.sourceforge.net/sed1line.txt |
| 19:39.48 | dpkg | asg: okay |
| 19:39.55 | Hostix | but i only have 2mbit internet connections so im a bit worried how much i need to download for a mini installation |
| 19:40.02 | RolandU | Shadowcat, actually I just want to move without damaging the content... |
| 19:40.06 | bizkit | thank you asg :-) |
| 19:40.07 | helix | asg: thanks :) |
| 19:40.14 | Shadowcat | RolandU: you do know how to use the mv command right? |
| 19:40.17 | dvs | Hostix: That's plenty of speed |
| 19:40.22 | asg | helix: you're welcome. Long time no see btw |
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| 19:40.31 | helix | work is eating my soul |
| 19:40.39 | Shadowcat | helix: I thought you already sold that |
| 19:40.42 | RolandU | Shadowcat, does that move partitions? |
| 19:40.43 | asg | helix: I understand that :) |
| 19:40.46 | dvs | helix: And who's doesn't? ;-) |
| 19:40.58 | Shadowcat | RolandU: no it moves files |
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| 19:41.03 | Shadowcat | sheesh |
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| 19:41.09 | Shadowcat | you can't "move" a partition |
| 19:41.12 | Hostix | i have a AMD durom cpu but i don't know what architecture it is |
| 19:41.16 | Shadowcat | you can move the stuff on the partition |
| 19:41.37 | dvs | Hostix: 386 will work. So will k7 |
| 19:41.40 | RolandU | Shadowcat, I believe there are tools that will move sector-by-sector |
| 19:41.52 | Shadowcat | RolandU: first off |
| 19:41.54 | Hostix | dvs: thx you been my hero :) |
| 19:41.57 | Shadowcat | it's a sector by sector COPY |
| 19:41.58 | helix | Shadowcat: what? |
| 19:42.04 | Shadowcat | and secondly |
| 19:42.05 | Shadowcat | man dd |
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| 19:42.11 | dvs | Hostix: you haven't started the install yet. :-> |
| 19:42.12 | l_lama | hi all |
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| 19:42.24 | l_lama | what is faster way to backup reiserfs ? |
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| 19:42.31 | Shadowcat | faster? |
| 19:42.40 | RolandU | of course moving of data is not possible except in quantum-based systems... |
| 19:42.40 | Shadowcat | copy all the files off to another partition |
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| 19:43.08 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 19:43.13 | Shadowcat | mv bizkit /dev/null |
| 19:43.27 | bizkit | :( |
| 19:43.43 | Cha1ns4w | so now u have a /dev/null file,now what ;) |
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| 19:44.05 | Shadowcat | umm if you attempt to copy the /dev or /proc filesystems you're beyond stupid |
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| 19:44.10 | l_lama | Shadowcat, on ext2/3 cp works slower than tar and tar is slower than dump. But there are no domp reiserfs :( |
| 19:44.23 | Cha1ns4w | DOH! |
| 19:44.25 | Cha1ns4w | :) |
| 19:44.32 | Shadowcat | l_lama: see reiserfs manual then |
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| 19:45.46 | l_lama | Shadowcat, I do both RTFM & STFW but have no success... at least, xfs have own implementation of dump - maybe there something like for reiserfs |
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| 19:46.09 | OldakQuill | How can I access shared files on a Windows machine on a network to which I am attached? |
| 19:46.35 | Shadowcat | l_lama: checked google? |
| 19:46.36 | darkcmd | samba client |
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| 19:47.07 | bizkit | prefers cifs over smbfs, if possible |
| 19:47.09 | l_lama | OldakQuill, generally - use samba... In deep - if you use some desktop environvent - try type smb:/ url in file browser |
| 19:47.11 | Shadowcat | mount -t smbfs -o username=user,password=pass //server/porn /mnt/porn |
| 19:47.18 | Hostix | wil this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso work on a DVD? |
| 19:47.19 | bizkit | Shadowcat: smbfs is crap |
| 19:47.32 | Hostix | becouse i only have DVD-rw's left :/ |
| 19:47.35 | Shadowcat | bizkit: ya but that line gets the work done |
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| 19:47.37 | Shadowcat | so sue me :P |
| 19:47.38 | l_lama | Shadowcat, yes, and continue checking now. |
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| 19:47.51 | bizkit | Shadowcat: if he wants to copy dvdimages >2G, it won't |
| 19:47.54 | bizkit | Shadowcat: :-P |
| 19:48.06 | EdgEy | how can i format a partition... i used cfdisk to make a "Linux" partition but i don't think it's formatted (i'm assuming it's made ext2) |
| 19:48.14 | Shadowcat | bizkit: I'm guessing you copy porn from dvds on a regular basis :P |
| 19:48.27 | bizkit | Shadowcat: sure, porn master |
| 19:48.38 | l_lama | Hoaxter, yes. it works for me. But you need internet access from host on which you will install debian. |
| 19:48.42 | Shadowcat | mkfs -t reiserfs /dev/hda1 |
| 19:48.45 | stew | EdgEy: man mkfs |
| 19:48.47 | Shadowcat | .... pray .... |
| 19:48.53 | bizkit | Shadowcat: i suggest you getting an bangbros account |
| 19:48.54 | EdgEy | thankyou stew |
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| 19:49.07 | pepsi_ | hi.. I installed debian (net install, testing) on my brand new laptop.. my problem is that I get a segmentation fault (kernel null-reference) at first boot.. is this a know problem? what might it be due to? |
| 19:49.23 | Shadowcat | pepsi_: why did you install testing? |
| 19:49.47 | darkcmd | Shadowcat: because soon Sarge will be stale |
| 19:49.50 | RolandU | pepsi_, does it just display the message and continue or is it a problem? |
| 19:49.54 | pepsi_ | Shadowcat: I have been told that there are more and newer packages available on that dist.. isn't that true? |
| 19:50.03 | pepsi_ | RolandU: it stops entirely |
| 19:50.06 | tom | i'm always getting messages like "superblock last mount time is in the future" and the system doesn't boot (i have to press ctrl+d or enter the root pw). how can i get rid of this message? is it possible to disable the filesystem check at startup? |
| 19:50.13 | OldakQuill | Thanks |
| 19:50.16 | Shadowcat | darkcmd: I didn't ask you |
| 19:50.19 | l_lama | pepsi_, don't expect testing to work on rare/brand/new hardware. Investigate problem anfd provide as much information as possible into debian bugtracking system. |
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| 19:50.30 | Shadowcat | and fyi darkcmd, sarge is already stable |
| 19:50.47 | cahoot | Shadowcat: stale |
| 19:50.49 | asg | Shadowcat: he said stale, not stable |
| 19:50.53 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 19:50.54 | l_lama | tom, run fsck on it firsk from knoppix or so... |
| 19:50.54 | bizkit | :-) |
| 19:50.58 | Shadowcat | it's been stale since it became stable |
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| 19:51.17 | Shadowcat | doesn't mean you go install the etch beta without knowing what you're getting yourself into |
| 19:51.21 | asg | Shadowcat: I still have production woody machines, they aren't stale |
| 19:51.21 | Shadowcat | it's *not* supposed to work |
| 19:51.27 | darkcmd | Shadowcat: definately I agree |
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| 19:51.39 | darkcmd | I recommend tracking testing once it comes closer to release |
| 19:51.52 | hacim | anyone know how to get the mwave module loaded on a thinkpad? It gives resource conflict errors for me |
| 19:51.53 | darkcmd | because then it doesn't break as much |
| 19:51.54 | tom | l_lama: i ran fsck many times but it still does occur on every reboot |
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| 19:52.06 | philips | hacim: TP 600E? |
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| 19:52.19 | l_lama | tom, what fs ? |
| 19:52.21 | bizkit | tom: perhaps your clock is upset? |
| 19:52.26 | hacim | philips: exactyluy |
| 19:52.27 | tom | bizkit: yes it is |
| 19:52.34 | hacim | philips: err, exactly :) |
| 19:52.39 | bizkit | tom: set it to the right date, then |
| 19:52.40 | tom | bizkit: that's why i'm using ntpdate |
| 19:52.55 | hacim | philips: I've attempted to load it according to the insmod parameters I've found on various people's sites |
| 19:53.01 | l_lama | tom, so you can't boot until fix your clock ? |
| 19:53.05 | philips | hacim: You need to specify the IRQ that the mwave is on. You can get this information from the thinkpad utilities IIRC or from the DOS application |
| 19:53.10 | SerajewelKS | someone help me, i'm a debian-user mailing list addict |
| 19:53.15 | tom | bizkit: i'd have to set the hardware clock at every boot in the bios |
| 19:53.18 | philips | hacim: the IRQ may be different for your box |
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| 19:53.27 | SerajewelKS | must ... not ... hit ... refresh |
| 19:53.28 | bizkit | tom: get a new battery |
| 19:53.29 | tom | bizkit: and i don't want to reset it at every boot |
| 19:53.31 | asg | tom: It's a known issue (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=342887) |
| 19:53.42 | SerajewelKS | Shadowcat: nnnnooooOOOOOOOO! |
| 19:53.44 | tom | bizkit: why? i don't need one. i just want to boot without that error |
| 19:53.45 | hacim | philips: yeah, I do that, but it tells me: mwave: smapi::smapi_set_DSP_cfg: Serial port A irq 3 conflicts with mwave_uart_irq 3 |
| 19:53.53 | darkcmd | also you can report bugs with reportbug |
| 19:54.22 | tom | is it possible to disable the file system check at startup? |
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| 19:54.30 | Shadowcat | tom: it's possible |
| 19:54.33 | Shadowcat | but you don't |
| 19:54.35 | tom | Shadowcat: how? |
| 19:54.38 | dvs | tom: Not a good idea |
| 19:54.39 | Shadowcat | not unless you have a good reason |
| 19:54.55 | bizkit | tom: imho not just the clock gets set back to default if your mainboard bat is empty, bios settings, too |
| 19:55.29 | tom | bizkit: hmm maybe. didn't notice any problems though |
| 19:55.40 | bizkit | tom: didn't? so this is your first one |
| 19:55.46 | takatumi | tom: #342887 maybe |
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| 19:56.05 | pepsi_ | Shadowcat: Is it the case that if I use stable instead of testing, I get fewer packages, and updates gets to my apt-sources later? |
| 19:56.07 | takatumi | asg: oh, didn't see :) |
| 19:56.12 | tom | maybe |
| 19:56.13 | asg | takatumi: :) |
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| 19:56.20 | Shadowcat | pepsi_: you can always upgrade to testing from stable |
| 19:56.31 | Shadowcat | the point is that you can't even install testing |
| 19:56.33 | Shadowcat | so go install stable |
| 19:56.36 | Shadowcat | if you want testing |
| 19:56.41 | Shadowcat | you can always upgrade to it later |
| 19:56.49 | yves | soymilk: Am I right to assume that Debian Linux is not a PNP OS? It is set to YES in my BIOS and the ressources control is set to AUTO. Do I have to change that to MANUAL? |
| 19:56.50 | pepsi_ | Shadowcat: how is that done? just by changing sources? |
| 19:56.52 | darkcmd | with an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:56.56 | EdgEy | pepsi_, yep |
| 19:57.04 | ttask | is anyone running an RTL-8169 NIC on a later 2.6.x kernel and did you have to apply a lockup patch? |
| 19:57.07 | tom | takatumi: is #342887 just on unstable? i have sarge atm |
| 19:57.09 | Shadowcat | pepsi_: do yourself a favor |
| 19:57.11 | Shadowcat | learn debian first |
| 19:57.12 | DrAllcome | Hallo, may anybody say me how to change the gnome menues? |
| 19:57.16 | Shadowcat | then move on to testing |
| 19:57.21 | Shadowcat | !ihtays |
| 19:57.27 | Shadowcat | oh come on |
| 19:57.30 | Shadowcat | what's it called again |
| 19:57.31 | asg | iyhtays |
| 19:57.31 | philips | hacim: I remember that they could share the same IRQ but Linux didn't support that. This was lonnnggg ago so I can't remember exactly. You will need to try and configure your IRQs without the sharing using the DOS or Windows tools. |
| 19:57.37 | darkcmd | yves: I don't think any Linux is a plug and play os |
| 19:57.44 | Shadowcat | !iyhtays |
| 19:57.44 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 19:57.46 | bizkit | tom: if you know what you're doing, you could rearrange the init scripts to setup networking and ntpdate before checking the root filesystem |
| 19:57.47 | pepsi_ | Shadowcat: heh.. just worried that I wont get the latest versions of programs... stability is not critical |
| 19:57.49 | takatumi | tom: should be only on unstable, how did you end up with that on sarge? |
| 19:58.03 | Shadowcat | pepsi_: if you're asking that you're not skilled enough to run bleeding edge |
| 19:58.17 | Shadowcat | darkcmd: no OS is "plug and play" |
| 19:58.22 | pepsi_ | Shadowcat: okey.. |
| 19:58.24 | Shadowcat | plug and play is a trademark |
| 19:58.34 | pepsi_ | thx |
| 19:58.47 | Shadowcat | unless you have every driver in the world on the os it won't be truely "plug and play" |
| 19:59.12 | hacim | philips: yeah, thats where I am at... I'm not sure how to do that. I tried to disable the IR IRQ using setpnp and use that, but it still said it was in use |
| 19:59.30 | hacim | philips: I can't figure out how to get them not to share resources |
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| 19:59.57 | yves | shadowcat: I presume you're talking to me about the PNP OS? |
| 20:00.09 | philips | hacim: set them on seperate interrupts, I think the dos application could do that |
| 20:00.10 | tom | bizkit: i'll try renaming /etc/rcS.d/S10checkroot.sh to S52 because S51 is ntpdate |
| 20:00.23 | bizkit | sid - if you have to ask, you wouldn't understand. like that slogan :) |
| 20:00.34 | tom | bizkit: hm maybe i need to rename some more scripts :P |
| 20:00.37 | bizkit | tom: don't forget networking first |
| 20:00.54 | tom | bizkit: networking is S40 |
| 20:01.05 | bizkit | tom: whereas networking could be depend on sth. else first, you have to check that |
| 20:01.44 | hacim | philips: yeah, I dont have the floppy to be able to do that, so I am going to try and do it via tpctl |
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| 20:02.01 | yves | darkcmd: sorry I missed your reply. thanks for the info. So I guess I should set it to NO in my BIOS and control the resources manually? |
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| 20:02.30 | philips | hacim: I never could get tpctl to work properly, good luck and let me know if you get it working ;-) |
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| 20:02.52 | bizkit | tom: the problem with moving checkrootfs is, it has to be before mountall |
| 20:03.29 | philips | hacim: of course that was on the 2.4 kernel too |
| 20:03.40 | bizkit | tom: another thing is checkfs.. |
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| 20:06.27 | tom | bizkit: hmm. there should be an option to disable those "future" warnings... |
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| 20:07.08 | raf256 | hi |
| 20:07.12 | stouset | Is it possible to install unstable through d-i? |
| 20:07.43 | bizkit | tom: the easiest way is to grab a new battery for some cents and it's done. future timestamps on the filesystem could be corrupted files |
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| 20:08.54 | [RS]h4ppy` | Is there any manuel for how to burn the ISO images of debian to cds because i have 14 debian ISOs |
| 20:08.56 | bizkit | stouset: why not install with sarge d-i and when it asks to edit sources.list, set everything to unstable |
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| 20:09.00 | EdgEy | stouset, you can change the sources for apt-get to unstable |
| 20:09.02 | EdgEy | yeah |
| 20:09.03 | [RS]h4ppy` | and they are like 350mb each |
| 20:09.20 | [RS]h4ppy` | should i burn each one of them on one cd? |
| 20:09.23 | bizkit | stouset: but be warned, sid is *not* expected to work |
| 20:09.36 | EdgEy | h4ppy just burn them like any other iso... you shouldn't need them all if you have an internet connection though |
| 20:10.01 | [RS]h4ppy` | okay, is there any manual for what i need, i do have an internet connection |
| 20:10.21 | bizkit | [RS]h4ppy`: to burn or to install packages from the net? |
| 20:10.54 | stouset | EdgEy: I mean, install sid through d-i, not upgrade to it later. I seem to recall hearing something about being able to do that now. |
| 20:11.00 | mastah | exit |
| 20:11.06 | mastah | exit |
| 20:11.09 | stouset | bizkit: I've been using sid for years now, but thanks :) |
| 20:11.13 | bizkit | stouset: there is an sid d-i out there, anywhere |
| 20:11.20 | bizkit | stouset: sorry, dunno where |
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| 20:11.56 | LoPMX | hello, what packages should i install to compile sources? |
| 20:12.02 | LoPMX | is build-essential enough? |
| 20:12.15 | bizkit | stouset: but there was someone here two days ago who had massive problems with it. they create the image every week, you need much luck to get a working one |
| 20:12.17 | harleyg | bizkit |
| 20:12.21 | harleyg | im confused :) |
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| 20:12.29 | stouset | aye |
| 20:12.31 | bizkit | LoPMX: what sources? |
| 20:12.33 | stouset | thanks |
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| 20:12.50 | LoPMX | bizkit, lighttpd, mysql, ruby, rails and it's extensions ;] |
| 20:12.52 | mattiss | do i _need_ to set up a proxy server if i want to spoof my ip address for every packet? |
| 20:13.08 | bizkit | LoPMX: why don't use the packages ones? |
| 20:13.12 | harleyg | my current modem has a round connection from this lil blueyonder box going to it, then from that an ethernet cable going to the routers internet thing... now with this speedtouch 330 usb, it has a filter thing which goes down a telephone wire to the modem, then from that a usb thing |
| 20:13.19 | bizkit | s/packages/packaged/ |
| 20:13.25 | LoPMX | i need to compile ruby's extensions |
| 20:13.28 | harleyg | i used to have the filter thing with bt, before i went to blueyonder |
| 20:13.33 | harleyg | will it still work |
| 20:13.33 | LoPMX | like fastcgi, and mysql wrapper |
| 20:13.39 | [RS]h4ppy` | bizkit: no which one of the ISO files i downloaded i need if i have an intrnett connection, i dont want to waste 14 cd's for nothing.. :P |
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| 20:13.55 | bizkit | [RS]h4ppy`: just cd1 |
| 20:14.01 | [RS]h4ppy` | oh.. cool thanks! :D |
| 20:14.02 | stew | stouset: i have heard that the "expert" option of d-i allows you to install sid, but i haven't tried myself |
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| 20:14.21 | LoPMX | bizkit, so? |
| 20:14.33 | stew | [RS]h4ppy`: as long as you can get on the network using the default debian kernel, (like you don't need a 3rd party network module or ndiswrapper) |
| 20:14.41 | bizkit | LoPMX: apt-cache search libruby fastcgi |
| 20:14.58 | bizkit | LoPMX: libfcgi-ruby* |
| 20:15.07 | LoPMX | hm ;] |
| 20:15.09 | LoPMX | good idea |
| 20:15.10 | harleyg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.17 | bizkit | harleyg? |
| 20:15.30 | Jonathan` | hmmm.. I don't quite fully understand the use of mount.cfis |
| 20:15.30 | harleyg | i just asked yaa question ^^ |
| 20:15.47 | Jonathan` | do I have to actually mount another drive before hand, or will the mount.cfis take care of that? |
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| 20:15.59 | bizkit | harleyg: then prepend my nick :-), whereas i don't understand your question above |
| 20:16.28 | bizkit | Jonathan`: moutn.cifs //remotemachine/share /path/on/local/fs |
| 20:16.31 | harleyg | you dont? |
| 20:16.39 | bizkit | s/moutn/mount/ |
| 20:16.51 | bizkit | harleyg: no, specify |
| 20:16.57 | harleyg | my old modem |
| 20:17.01 | harleyg | has a round cable going to it |
| 20:17.06 | harleyg | then from that it plugs into the router |
| 20:17.13 | EdgEy | stouset, you can do that.. you can use the netinstall sarge/etch iso |
| 20:17.17 | Jonathan` | ok that brought up a prompt.. do i just use the windows username? |
| 20:17.23 | EdgEy | and change sources.list to sid/unstable |
| 20:17.24 | harleyg | with this new speedtouch 330 usb, it comes from phoneline to modem, then to usb |
| 20:17.29 | harleyg | will it work on my connection? |
| 20:17.32 | EdgEy | then it will download unstable packages instead of stable/etch whatever |
| 20:17.39 | bizkit | Jonathan`: yes, and his password. you could user -o username=windowsuser |
| 20:17.39 | EdgEy | harleyg, you may need drivers for it |
| 20:17.51 | bizkit | Jonathan`: or -o username=winuser%hispass |
| 20:17.51 | harleyg | yesyes |
| 20:18.04 | harleyg | but my net connection comes from some weird box |
| 20:18.10 | bizkit | Jonathan`: sorry, -o user=winuser,pass=hispass |
| 20:18.35 | Jonathan` | mount error: cifs filesystem not supported by the system |
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| 20:19.36 | bizkit | Jonathan`: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) '*cifs*' -exec modprobe "{}"\; |
| 20:19.44 | bizkit | Jonathan`: as root |
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| 20:20.12 | Jonathan` | missing argument to -exec |
| 20:20.26 | smacnay | is there a console app for viewing .ps docs? Or does one need to convert to jpg and use fbi (in framebuffer)? |
| 20:20.38 | DrAllcome | Hallo, does somebody know how to change gnome-menues in debian testing? |
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| 20:20.49 | dvs | smacnay: ghostview |
| 20:21.00 | smacnay | dvs: in framebuffer? |
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| 20:21.14 | mathieu_ | hi, google adsense generates unicode csv files. does anyone know how i can convert it to a more usable encoding? (in current form, perl and awk scripts refuse to read it correctly) |
| 20:21.20 | dvs | smacnay: Oh then I don't know |
| 20:22.06 | bizkit | Jonathan`: sorry, forgot a space |
| 20:22.09 | bizkit | Jonathan`: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) '*cifs*' -exec modprobe "{}" \; |
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| 20:22.32 | Jonathan` | keeps saying can't locate module |
| 20:22.35 | Jonathan` | scrolling a lot |
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| 20:23.25 | bizkit | Jonathan`: uh, seems like modprobe can only use the filename without the .ko. locate the cifs module and modprobe just the name |
| 20:23.26 | harleyg | bizkit, i get my net connection like this, http://psphacking101.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1142 , that goes to the modem, then from that it goes to my router, my new speedtouch 330 usb modem comes form phoneline, then goes to a usb |
| 20:24.10 | leec | hey, does anyone know about Ris Servers on Linux ? |
| 20:24.36 | leec | i found a tut for debian, got hold of Knoppix |
| 20:24.47 | leec | but i think its outdated or im just a complete newb. |
| 20:24.53 | harleyg | cahins4w yesyes... but its got linux drivers! |
| 20:24.57 | bizkit | harleyg: i'm sorry i have no experience with usb modems |
| 20:25.26 | leec | just wondering if anyone could help me setup a temp RIS server. |
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| 20:25.33 | harleyg | wwaaa |
| 20:25.33 | harleyg | :) |
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| 20:26.04 | dino4k | for what needs mysql mailx o.O ?! |
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| 20:27.12 | lekvar | I have a kernel config question. Does the "Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit)" drivers section have anything to do with operating carbus or pcmcia ethernet cards? |
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| 20:27.30 | soymilk | dino4k: it does? |
| 20:27.40 | dino4k | soymilk: 5.0 sure |
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| 20:27.59 | dino4k | soymilk: i wondert why on my laptop exim is installed witch i never use... |
| 20:27.59 | LeeC | hey |
| 20:28.08 | LeeC | sorry, my IRC client closed ? |
| 20:28.24 | soymilk | dino4k: hmm don't know why the new v. does |
| 20:28.37 | LeeC | is there any way to setup Linux has a network boot ? |
| 20:28.38 | soymilk | dino4k: exim is installed by default in debian |
| 20:28.53 | dino4k | soymilk: i know - and i remove it - by default :p |
| 20:29.01 | soymilk | dino4k: you should have some MTA installed to at least handle local mail for system notifications and things |
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| 20:29.08 | LeeC | so, like a machine with no cddrive, no optical drives what so ever, but Network Boot able... |
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| 20:29.23 | dino4k | soymilk: i never realy needet it |
| 20:29.40 | dino4k | (on my laptop) |
| 20:29.43 | soymilk | dino4k: the linux infrastructure uses it from time to time |
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| 20:30.22 | dino4k | soymilk: oh, i didn't like my computer to write me mails... |
| 20:30.35 | soymilk | dino4k: being able to send alert and other mails to some system accounts is an important function in linux |
| 20:31.07 | dino4k | soymilk: about what he should he alter me ;:) |
| 20:31.17 | dino4k | soymilk: exim just take too long at boot time |
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| 20:31.32 | soymilk | dino4k: then reconfigure it: dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 20:31.36 | Zugschlus | dino4k: if it takes more than 10 seconds to start, you have a DNS problem |
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| 20:31.44 | Zugschlus | see /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.gz |
| 20:31.48 | soymilk | dino4k: probably because you have it misconfigured... |
| 20:32.15 | dino4k | oh, i solved it by removing it (but so i removed mysql5.0 too) |
| 20:32.16 | close_to_debian | Can any one provide me info on companies which offer cheap vps hosting |
| 20:32.29 | soymilk | dino4k: at least choose "local delivery only" option |
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| 20:32.41 | dondelelcaro | %*!*@pcp01052132pcs.muncie01.in.comcast.net |
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| 20:32.59 | soymilk | dino4k: that's like cutting off your finger because of a hangnail it doesn't exactly solve the problem |
| 20:33.25 | dino4k | hmm... |
| 20:33.41 | alexjoh | anyone uses SATA harddisk? |
| 20:33.51 | LeeC | brb |
| 20:33.54 | alexjoh | I have problem with SATA harddisk |
| 20:33.57 | soymilk | alexjoh: just ask your question |
| 20:34.07 | alexjoh | I have HP DC7600 |
| 20:34.14 | dino4k | soymilk: just say me for what i need a mta on my laptop |
| 20:34.25 | alexjoh | and install cd couldn't recognize the SATA hardisk and network card |
| 20:34.43 | soymilk | dino4k: be happy with your cut off finger then. i don't care. i don't owe you a detailed explanation of why you need an MTA |
| 20:34.53 | bizkit | Jonathan`: so you miss the cifs module, which kernel are you using?` |
| 20:35.09 | alexjoh | default. 2.4.xx |
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| 20:35.17 | alexjoh | i tried 2.6.xx |
| 20:35.20 | alexjoh | but the same result |
| 20:35.21 | dino4k | soymilk: ok |
| 20:35.25 | soymilk | alexjoh: maybe the install kernel doesn't support it. did you try to use the 2.6 install kernel instead? |
| 20:35.33 | Jonathan` | bizkit, how can i check? |
| 20:35.38 | bizkit | Jonathan`: uname -r |
| 20:35.40 | soymilk | alexjoh: oh |
| 20:35.40 | alexjoh | yeap I did, but failed |
| 20:35.55 | Jonathan` | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 20:36.13 | soymilk | alexjoh: how recent is that card? |
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| 20:37.01 | bizkit | Jonathan`: imho cifs came into 2.6.9? i have no idea which 2.4 has it |
| 20:37.01 | alexjoh | it's built-in on motherboard and doesn't mention on chipset |
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| 20:37.25 | alexjoh | i need to open the box to see the chipset |
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| 20:37.53 | soymilk | alexjoh: how old is your install CD? |
| 20:37.57 | Jonathan` | hmm |
| 20:37.58 | alexjoh | recent one |
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| 20:38.02 | alexjoh | 3.1r0 |
| 20:38.10 | Jonathan` | can i update the kernel or do i have to go about a totally different method? |
| 20:38.13 | soymilk | alexjoh: maybe try the newest one |
| 20:38.17 | alexjoh | i downloaded latest on yesterday |
| 20:38.27 | alexjoh | latest version yesterday |
| 20:38.34 | alexjoh | and tried to install |
| 20:38.36 | alexjoh | but failed |
| 20:38.39 | bizkit | Jonathan`: as a fallback you can use the crappy smbfs using mount.smbfs (you can't access files bigger than 2G, and certain other problems, see google..) |
| 20:38.49 | maxb | Is there a recommended way to change the system default umask? Or do I just have to play about in /etc and hope I manage to change it for all login methods and all shells? |
| 20:38.53 | Jonathan` | well, dont think that should be an issue then |
| 20:38.59 | Jonathan` | is it basically the same format? |
| 20:39.00 | soymilk | alexjoh: 3.1r1a is the latest |
| 20:39.11 | bizkit | Jonathan`: yes, for other stuff see mount.smbfs |
| 20:39.23 | bizkit | Jonathan`: err, man mount.smbfs |
| 20:39.26 | Eulex | maxb, umh, why would you want to do that? |
| 20:39.45 | maxb | Eulex: To use usergroups |
| 20:39.53 | soymilk | maxb: you can set it in ~/.bashrc |
| 20:39.56 | alexjoh | it's 3.1r1a sorry.. i confused |
| 20:40.18 | maxb | soymilk: Yes, but only for bash. The system I'm talking about has people using a variety of shells |
| 20:40.31 | soymilk | maxb: if forget where in /etc ... |
| 20:40.55 | bizkit | maxb: get them to use login shells and edit the default profile |
| 20:41.09 | bizkit | maxb: /etc/profile |
| 20:41.10 | Jonathan` | tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name) SMB connection failed |
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| 20:41.19 | Andares | Hey |
| 20:41.31 | Andares | What package is libstdc++ under? |
| 20:41.33 | bizkit | Jonathan`: then this share does not exist on your remote machine |
| 20:41.44 | soymilk | maxb: /etc/profile for bourne-compatible shells |
| 20:41.58 | Jonathan` | bizkit, when you say share, do you mean like a folder, or some type of folder or something? |
| 20:42.02 | Jonathan` | type of file* |
| 20:42.09 | Eulex | maxb, if it's ext3, you should be able to just do a recursive chmod and chown. you'd not have to mess with umasks in any way. |
| 20:42.31 | bizkit | Jonathan`: do you use samba or windows machines you want to mount shares from? |
| 20:42.38 | maxb | soymilk: login has considerable support for setting umasks, but sshd doesn't - those would be shell independent. |
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| 20:42.49 | Jonathan` | the debian machine has samba on it |
| 20:42.52 | maxb | Eulex: Nope. |
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| 20:43.01 | Jonathan` | but i want to transfer backed up files over to the windows machine |
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| 20:43.05 | hammerabi | Andares: you already have it |
| 20:43.21 | hammerabi | Andares: if you're trying to run some random old piece of binary-only software, you need to tell us that |
| 20:43.24 | Andares | ahh |
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| 20:44.02 | Andares | hammerabi, nah, I need libstdc++6.0 |
| 20:44.03 | bizkit | Jonathan`: so if you run a samba server you should know what a share is. on windows, if you share a folder, you can give the share a name. thats the sharename you have to mount. e.g. you share c:\windows\mydir with sharename monkey, you have to mount it with mount.smbfs //remotemachine/monkey /local/path |
| 20:44.10 | maxb | Eulex: if you want to maintain directory trees read-writeable by specific unix groups, then you need to be running with a umask 002 (or 007). usergroups makes it safe to do so |
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| 20:44.27 | Jonathan` | ah, so the share is the name between the brackets in smb.conf ? |
| 20:44.28 | hammerabi | Andares: then you need to tell us what you're trying to do, and what version of Debian you're using |
| 20:44.34 | bizkit | Jonathan`: yes |
| 20:44.38 | Jonathan` | ahh, ok |
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| 20:45.08 | Eulex | maxb, sorry, seems like I'm talking about something I have no idea about. |
| 20:45.34 | Jonathan` | hmm.. same error |
| 20:45.41 | bizkit | Eulex: :-) |
| 20:45.47 | bizkit | maxb: so your problem is sshd now? |
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| 20:46.43 | soymilk | alexjoh: i would look up what module is needed for the chipset, and see if its in the intall kernel's module tree. maybe try manually modprobing it during the install |
| 20:46.47 | Jonathan` | ok nevermind there it goes |
| 20:46.51 | Jonathan` | seems like it took it |
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| 20:47.15 | soymilk | alexjoh: if you can't use lspci on the installer cd, then run it from knoppix |
| 20:47.15 | Mardus | Hey-hey, happy Christmas, that have passed this year. |
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| 20:48.14 | maxb | bizkit: Really, my problem is that I know enough to kludge a solution, but given the fairly thoughrough mention of usergroups in various config files, I have this nagging suspicion that there might be some recommended guide or elegant configuration tweak |
| 20:48.26 | Jonathan` | now i assume its basically like a folder i can access through debian just like it works on windows? |
| 20:48.44 | alexjoh | soymilk, thanks for you suggestion |
| 20:48.49 | alexjoh | soymil, I'll ry |
| 20:49.53 | soymilk | alexjoh: if you absolutely can't get it installed on the sata disk, you could always install to another disk, upgrade the kernel, then mirror that to the sata disk (make sure to update fstab and boot loader config after mirroring) |
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| 20:50.53 | bizkit | maxb: yes, i'm sorry then i don't know an elegant way for your syswide umask setting. i used to configure this on a per-user basis.. |
| 20:51.10 | amarok_pwnz | i see |
| 20:51.12 | amarok_pwnz | my nick |
| 20:51.13 | amarok_pwnz | doh |
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| 20:51.55 | sonyman | is it possible to install debian etch on a reiser4 partition? |
| 20:52.03 | bizkit | maxb: each usergroup is in it's own chrooted system.. |
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| 20:52.40 | hammerabi | sonyman: is it possible to use reiser4 with a stock 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:52.42 | hammerabi | (no) |
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| 20:53.01 | sonyman | hammerabi, well I was wondering if there was a 3rd party install disc or something |
| 20:53.02 | syl-2 | hi everyone, i'd like to learn how to get to see my hotmail mailbox in text mode. this machine is way too old for a graphical interface |
| 20:53.03 | maxb | bizkit: I don't understand at all. As I understand it, usergroups have nothing to do with chroots |
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| 20:53.26 | Eulex | syl-2, impossible, because it uses both ssl and javascript |
| 20:53.38 | hammerabi | syl-2: apt-cache show hotway |
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| 20:54.01 | Eulex | didn't know about hotway... |
| 20:54.04 | Mardus | bye |
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| 20:54.19 | syl-2 | cool, it's appreciated |
| 20:54.30 | Eulex | syl-2, but you can't reach your hotmail mailbox through a textmode browser, at least |
| 20:54.37 | syl-2 | Eulex: but indeed it didn't work with lynx |
| 20:55.00 | Eulex | syl-2, doesn't work in elinks or links2 either (personal experience) |
| 20:55.15 | hammerabi | doesn't one of those have JS support now? |
| 20:55.26 | bizkit | maxb: well, for my understanding a usergroup is a group of users. i have some of them, each shouldn't know from the other but should be able to use their system together. this is what the chrooted systems are good for. they can do what they want and are separated from each other. their umask setting is just to give new files/dirs proper permissions, so that each user has privacy |
| 20:56.00 | soymilk | i finally found a solution for mirroring from linux to vfat filesystems |
| 20:56.03 | beaufils | Any idea why I am not able to read DVD with VLC ? |
| 20:56.05 | Eulex | hammerabi, links2 has javascript, but doesn't have ssl. elinks has ssl, but not javascript |
| 20:56.34 | maxb | The term usergroups is used by login and related packages to mean the practice of having a group named the same as each user, with uid == gid, containing only that user. |
| 20:56.38 | bizkit | soymilk: vfat is crap := |
| 20:56.49 | Eulex | beaufils, do you have libdvdcss installed? |
| 20:56.58 | soymilk | bizkit: true - but so many modern devices use it, such as my 40GB pmp |
| 20:57.01 | debian_pwnz | Eulex, heh, that sucks |
| 20:57.01 | cheal | beaufils: people might have more ideas if you define "not able" |
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| 20:57.25 | Eulex | debian_pwnz, yep. |
| 20:57.29 | beaufils | Eulex, yes (libdvdcss2 from videolan website). |
| 20:57.39 | hammerabi | Eulex: haha |
| 20:57.39 | bizkit | maxb: ah, i see. never used them then, sorry |
| 20:57.47 | hammerabi | I wish I had a chili kebab |
| 20:57.48 | debian_pwnz | Eulex, dillo is good, doesn't support many features though, can't really use for browsing |
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| 20:58.06 | bizkit | soymilk: that's true :/ |
| 20:58.11 | debian_pwnz | Eulex, best one i've ever used is firefox, hands down |
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| 20:58.25 | debian_pwnz | of course, im just stating the obvious, and my tastes |
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| 20:58.28 | bizkit | hammerabi: me too :-o |
| 20:58.30 | soymilk | bizkit: i'd be overjoyed if "the industry" all decided to use a better FS on all their devices |
| 20:58.37 | beaufils | cheal, you are right. I got the following message on the console when I use the open disk menu item : "libdvdread: Can't stat d" |
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| 20:58.48 | argus | does anyone know if bluetooth messages are logged somewhere other then /var/log/messages ? |
| 20:59.02 | debian_pwnz | awe crap, i gotta charge my mouse now |
| 20:59.02 | Eulex | debian_pwnz, it has neither ssl nor javascript. I preferred links2 -g when I was on a system with little ram. |
| 20:59.03 | debian_pwnz | :( |
| 20:59.13 | beaufils | cheal, When I use xine I am able to go to the first DVD menu, but no further... |
| 20:59.26 | cheal | beaufils: just that? what's d? |
| 20:59.26 | debian_pwnz | Eulex, thats what I use half the time, and the other half is ff, for more browsing related work. |
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| 20:59.33 | bizkit | soymilk: they use it to stay compatible with older windows versions... |
| 20:59.36 | debian_pwnz | links2 graphical is sweet |
| 20:59.45 | Agent_137 | What's a good unzip program for dealing with files zipped in windows? i see a few with apt-cache search zip |
| 20:59.55 | Eulex | debian_pwnz, sure is. |
| 20:59.55 | bizkit | Agent_137: unzip |
| 21:00.00 | Agent_137 | thanks bizkit |
| 21:00.26 | beaufils | cheal, do not know, when I specify something such as dvd:///dev/dvd I get the following error "libdvdread: Can't stat d`ÄbOG". |
| 21:00.29 | hammerabi | Agent_137: zip files? the unzip package. |
| 21:00.44 | hammerabi | beaufils: dvd://1, the actual device name is specified elsewhere |
| 21:00.46 | bizkit | Agent_137: install the uncompress wrapper 'unp' to easily unpack certain formats without specifying (auto detection) |
| 21:00.50 | debian_pwnz | Agent_137, modify /etc/apt/sources.list and append "contrib non-free" at the end of each deb line. apt-get update && apt-get install zip unzip rar unrar arj |
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| 21:01.23 | debian_pwnz | Agent_137, then you can either install ark(kde winzip like deal) or file-roller (same for gnome) |
| 21:01.38 | Agent_137 | i have file roller, but it balks at these zip files i have. |
| 21:01.41 | beaufils | hammerabi, dvd://1 does not work either I get "libdvdread: Can't stat dW bOG". Where is the device specified ? |
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| 21:01.48 | debian_pwnz | Agent_137, do what I said above about apt |
| 21:01.54 | Agent_137 | k. thanks. |
| 21:01.59 | harleyg | hang on hang on |
| 21:02.05 | harleyg | bizkit :) |
| 21:02.09 | hammerabi | beaufils: I don't know what program you are using |
| 21:02.10 | harleyg | i have a cable connection right |
| 21:02.12 | TGoC | How can i change the time of debian? (No access to bios...) |
| 21:02.18 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 21:02.18 | hammerabi | TGoC: date -s |
| 21:02.32 | thiago_ | Rever/qui |
| 21:02.36 | bizkit | hammerabi: so what? |
| 21:02.37 | harleyg | so its modem to ethernet card, then i setup iptables etc then from the other ethernet card it goes to the switch |
| 21:02.43 | harleyg | no drivers needed, will that work? |
| 21:02.56 | beaufils | hammerabi, VLC (the client of video lan) |
| 21:02.58 | bizkit | harleyg: yes |
| 21:03.01 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no set the time is <reply> see set time |
| 21:03.01 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 21:03.04 | hammerabi | bizkit: ? |
| 21:03.11 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: lock set the time |
| 21:03.11 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: locking factoid set the time |
| 21:03.17 | hammerabi | beaufils: somewhere in the preferences, I gues I don't use it |
| 21:03.24 | bizkit | hammerabi: ? |
| 21:03.45 | hammerabi | bizkit: where you asking me a question or naming miles davis songs at me? |
| 21:03.48 | beaufils | hammerabi, what do you use to read DVD under debian ? |
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| 21:04.04 | hammerabi | beaufils: 'mplayer -dvd-device /dev/scd0 dvd://1' |
| 21:04.13 | bizkit | hammerabi: where? the only thing i said to you was |
| 21:04.18 | bizkit | arg |
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| 21:04.33 | Eulex | hammerabi, yep, mplayer is teh rule |
| 21:04.42 | bizkit | hammerabi: you're right. i missed harleyg ;-) |
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| 21:05.02 | hammerabi | bizkit: ah, ok :) |
| 21:05.19 | beaufils | hammerabi, do not have mplayer under powerpc, at least not in debian archive |
| 21:05.38 | debian_pwnz | Eulex, kplayer FE for mplayer is cool |
| 21:05.41 | TGoC | date: cannot set date: Operation not permitted |
| 21:05.51 | TGoC | I have root access though |
| 21:05.56 | Eulex | beaufils, no it's not in debian. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:06.08 | debian_pwnz | Eulex, that is what I use and it is great. then again im waiting for xfce4.4 so i switched to kde-core |
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| 21:07.13 | debian_pwnz | TGoC, su -c "date -s blahblahblah" enter, it will ask for root password, and run the command. you should be alright |
| 21:07.15 | Eulex | debian_pwnz, xfce 4.4 will probaby be out this spring, devs said february. |
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| 21:07.23 | debian_pwnz | oh sweet! |
| 21:07.29 | beaufils | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.34 | bizkit | :) |
| 21:07.37 | [RS]h4ppy` | Would this be the right cd (iso) if i wanted to install debian thru internet? (debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso) |
| 21:07.52 | debian_pwnz | depending on archtype |
| 21:07.52 | debian_pwnz | sure |
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| 21:08.04 | TGoC | nop debian_pwnz still access denied |
| 21:08.04 | debian_pwnz | but for i386, yes that is the one |
| 21:08.14 | TGoC | criminalsworld:~# su -c "date -s 22:07:30" |
| 21:08.14 | TGoC | date: cannot set date: Operation not permitted |
| 21:08.14 | debian_pwnz | TGoC, wrong root password |
| 21:08.18 | Eulex | [RS]h4ppy`, yes, quite |
| 21:08.20 | debian_pwnz | hmm |
| 21:08.22 | [RS]h4ppy` | yes, i have i386 |
| 21:08.26 | TGoC | i'm logged in as root |
| 21:08.28 | TGoC | :/ |
| 21:08.30 | debian_pwnz | [RS]h4ppy`, you got the right file |
| 21:08.39 | hammerabi | beaufils: mplayer is not in Debian for any architecture |
| 21:08.40 | debian_pwnz | oh wait |
| 21:08.41 | bizkit | is RTC required to set date? |
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| 21:08.51 | debian_pwnz | you need 3.1rc3 or whatever i think |
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| 21:09.08 | bucky | !d-i |
| 21:09.08 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:09.19 | Kurtism | how do I add a tcp/ip network printer to my debian box? |
| 21:09.24 | Eulex | [RS]h4ppy`, but there weren't any 3.1r1? 3.1r0a is almost the newest, not quite. |
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| 21:09.49 | Eulex | debian_pwnz, at least he'll fetch the newest xfree86 from the net |
| 21:09.50 | Kurtism | has anybody done that? |
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| 21:10.24 | jshriver | where can I find acroread for debian? |
| 21:10.24 | bucky | [RS]h4ppy`: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 21:10.27 | Kurtism | I'd like to use my tcp/IP network printers on my Debian box and share them out using smb |
| 21:10.30 | valdyn | !setup cups |
| 21:10.35 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 21:10.36 | dpkg | somebody said cups setup was Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 21:10.38 | nkuttler | jshriver: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:10.39 | valdyn | Kurtism: ^^^ |
| 21:10.42 | asg | Kurtism: /msg dpkd install cups |
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| 21:10.54 | [RS]h4ppy` | when it says uncompressing linux i get an CRC error, and the system halts |
| 21:11.04 | jshriver | thanks |
| 21:11.05 | Kurtism | woah |
| 21:11.09 | valdyn | Kurtism: + whatever cups recommends, should be smbclient probably |
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| 21:11.34 | debian_pwnz | [RS]h4ppy`, corrupt kernel |
| 21:11.44 | hammerabi | [RS]h4ppy`: bad disk or very bad ram |
| 21:11.45 | valdyn | [RS]h4ppy`: disable or enable LBA in your BIOS |
| 21:11.47 | debian_pwnz | [RS]h4ppy`, need to redownload or reburn |
| 21:11.49 | Kurtism | it seems I've found a lot of guides on how to add a regular printer attached to the PC itself but to add a network printer I can't find info on |
| 21:11.50 | [RS]h4ppy` | yeah, i had netBSD on it before |
| 21:11.59 | [RS]h4ppy` | but i friend said all i had to do was to put in the cd |
| 21:12.00 | valdyn | [RS]h4ppy`: if that does not work, disable 'compact' in lilo |
| 21:12.25 | hammerabi | [RS]h4ppy`: how old is the machine? |
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| 21:12.29 | valdyn | [RS]h4ppy`: so that cdrom is broken? |
| 21:12.29 | zOap | stupid question I know, but: smbclient \\server\share mypass -U myuser -W myworkgroup -I my.ip.address ---- responds "not enoug '\' characters in service... |
| 21:12.30 | [RS]h4ppy` | 4 days |
| 21:12.31 | [RS]h4ppy` | ;) |
| 21:12.40 | kuraia | me via zená |
| 21:12.42 | kuraia | adios |
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| 21:12.46 | asg | zOap: use //server/foo |
| 21:12.47 | bizkit | Kurtism: well you got some answers now. tldp.org |
| 21:12.52 | [RS]h4ppy` | the cdrom seems fine |
| 21:13.12 | asg | zOap: otherwise, the shell is going to use '\' as an escape character |
| 21:13.21 | bizkit | zOap: you have to escape the \, using smbclient \\\\server\\share |
| 21:13.23 | zOap | asg, Oh, the typical windows versus Unix then? |
| 21:13.24 | kuraia | adios |
| 21:13.32 | debian_pwnz | zOap, use forward slash |
| 21:13.41 | zOap | ok, thanks guys:) |
| 21:13.47 | asg | zOap: well, Unix honors both. Windows doesn't know about other operating systems. |
| 21:13.54 | karsten | zOap: Yes. You can also quote the spec as '\\server\share', but forward slashes are generally preferred. |
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| 21:14.27 | zOap | asg, hehe, yeah |
| 21:14.39 | beaufils | hammerabi, using mplayer as you I get "File not found: '1'" followed by "Failed to open dvd://1". I use the following command : " mplayer -dvd-device /dev/hdc dvd://1" |
| 21:14.41 | zOap | thanks guys, got it working now |
| 21:15.12 | Jonathan` | ok, now for a cron job can i just write a command directly on a .sh and place it in cron.daily and it will run? |
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| 21:15.13 | bizkit | beaufils: #mplayer, and try dvd:// first |
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| 21:15.40 | TGoC | How do i change the timezone? |
| 21:15.44 | asg | Jonathan`: the script has to be executable |
| 21:15.46 | asg | TGoC: tzconfig |
| 21:15.56 | jshriver | thanks grabbing now :) |
| 21:16.08 | beaufils | bizkit, same trouble |
| 21:16.11 | Jonathan` | asg, so theres a certain syntax even if i just want something to copy files? |
| 21:16.18 | bizkit | Jonathan`: chmod +x file |
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| 21:16.29 | ludi | does Abiword support open document? |
| 21:16.32 | TGoC | Your default time zone is set to 'Europe/Amsterdam'. |
| 21:16.32 | TGoC | Local time is now: Thu Dec 29 15:48:08 CET 2005. |
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| 21:16.35 | TGoC | But that's wrong |
| 21:16.41 | TGoC | i need it 7 hours up |
| 21:16.48 | asg | Jonathan`: the file name in /etc/cron.daily/ has to meet certain naming requirements and be executable. |
| 21:16.53 | bizkit | TGoC: set your hardware clock |
| 21:17.09 | TGoC | i can't |
| 21:17.12 | TGoC | :p |
| 21:17.23 | Jonathan` | hmm |
| 21:17.24 | asg | Jonathan`: run-parts(8) details the naming requirements if you are interested. |
| 21:17.31 | Jonathan` | k. thanks |
| 21:17.32 | TGoC | Can someone name me a city who has a gmt offset of 8? |
| 21:17.35 | bizkit | TGoC: why? or just use ntp date then |
| 21:17.45 | asg | TGoC: + or - |
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| 21:17.49 | TGoC | + |
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| 21:18.12 | asg | TGoC: Somewhere in Asia or Indonesia I would expect. |
| 21:18.25 | BucWheat | i've updated /etc/resolv.conf with the proper nameserver ips and i still can't ping www.yahoo.com or the nameserver itself. what gives? |
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| 21:18.34 | Hostix | hey |
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| 21:18.49 | TGoC | lol |
| 21:18.55 | TGoC | Bangcock + 1 hour |
| 21:18.55 | Hostix | im happy i just installed debian netinst :D |
| 21:19.08 | Eulex | BucWheat, and you can ping the ip of yahoo.com? |
| 21:19.11 | TGoC | i need it 1 hour further |
| 21:19.11 | hammerabi | BucWheat: if you can't ping the nameserver, how do you think you could resolve anything else? |
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| 21:20.06 | Znh | I am getting the error: Configs/Pre-Depends loop (apt-get), what can i do? |
| 21:20.07 | [RS]h4ppy` | i still get an system halt when im running debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso on my computer |
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| 21:20.16 | hammerabi | Znh: upgrade to sarge |
| 21:20.21 | asg | [RS]h4ppy`: is your computer an Intel based system? |
| 21:20.31 | Znh | There is a work around, just dont remember what |
| 21:20.34 | hammerabi | Znh: assuming it's whinging about e2fsutils |
| 21:20.41 | Znh | hammerabi: thats right |
| 21:20.43 | hammerabi | Znh: the workaround is to upgrade to sarge |
| 21:20.43 | [RS]h4ppy` | yes, intel |
| 21:20.55 | [RS]h4ppy` | its an ibm |
| 21:21.01 | BucWheat | Eulex no i cannot |
| 21:21.05 | hammerabi | [RS]h4ppy`: an IBM what? |
| 21:21.05 | Znh | hammerabi: cant I just do APT::Force-Loopbreak thing? (but how) |
| 21:21.18 | BucWheat | hammerabi on the same network on a different computer i can |
| 21:21.18 | hammerabi | Znh: dude, why don't you want to to upgrade to sarge? |
| 21:21.22 | [RS]h4ppy` | the brand, its ibm, intel |
| 21:21.26 | hammerabi | BucWheat: which is of no use |
| 21:21.32 | BucWheat | hammerabi the only difference is one machine is dhcp and the other is static ip |
| 21:21.37 | hammerabi | [RS]h4ppy`: you don't even know if it's a desktop or laptop? |
| 21:21.44 | Znh | hammerabi: because its just a little thing, I had this issue before.. I just had to input something and it was done |
| 21:21.48 | [RS]h4ppy` | lol |
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| 21:21.54 | BucWheat | hammerabi so i'm scratching my head as to what i'm missing |
| 21:21.54 | [RS]h4ppy` | ibm, intel pentium 4 |
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| 21:22.05 | hammerabi | Znh: yay for not updating for 11 months |
| 21:22.13 | hammerabi | Znh: /msg dpkg loop break |
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| 21:22.17 | bizkit | TGoC: apt-get install ntp-simple |
| 21:22.26 | Znh | yes got it already |
| 21:22.27 | hammerabi | Znh: but it really is a crappy plan compared to just upgrading to a working version o Debian |
| 21:22.35 | asg | hammerabi: it's loopbreak |
| 21:22.49 | [RS]h4ppy` | hammerabi: its an IBM, intel pentium 4 |
| 21:23.11 | Eulex | BucWheat, then you've set up something wrongly. |
| 21:23.20 | BucWheat | auto eth0 |
| 21:23.20 | BucWheat | iface eth0 inet static |
| 21:23.27 | hammerabi | asg: ah |
| 21:23.32 | BucWheat | in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:23.32 | TGoC | done bizkit but he still tell's amsterdam time is: 15:23 while it really is 22:23 >_< |
| 21:23.32 | hammerabi | BucWheat: that's not enough |
| 21:23.39 | BucWheat | then i list the ip address and gateway |
| 21:23.47 | BucWheat | address 192.168.2.142 |
| 21:23.47 | BucWheat | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:23.47 | BucWheat | gateway 192.168.2.1 |
| 21:24.07 | Kurtism | so nobody knows how to make a lpadmin add a network printer eh? |
| 21:24.08 | bizkit | dpkg: tell BucWheat about paste |
| 21:24.11 | asg | BucWheat: don't forget 'network 192.168.2.0' |
| 21:24.12 | hammerabi | BucWheat: and ifconfig and route confirm that? |
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| 21:24.46 | hammerabi | Kurtism: not unless they read the manpage |
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| 21:24.54 | Kurtism | I read the man page |
| 21:25.01 | TGoC | Your default time zone is set to 'Asia/Oral'. |
| 21:25.02 | TGoC | rofl |
| 21:25.02 | Kurtism | and it doesn't give me any info on network printers |
| 21:25.17 | asg | TGoC: suki-fooki? |
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| 21:25.26 | BucWheat | asg just added network 192.168.2.0 |
| 21:25.36 | TGoC | I Found out that Tokyo is only 1 hour ahead of the time i need |
| 21:25.44 | TGoC | and Bangkok is 1 hour before it |
| 21:25.52 | TGoC | What is between tokyo and bangkok |
| 21:25.54 | Eulex | BucWheat, and those are correct options? can you ping the router/gateway? |
| 21:25.56 | Hostix | hey |
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| 21:26.16 | nkuttler | beijing? |
| 21:26.21 | BucWheat | Eulex yea i can ping the router/gateway fine |
| 21:26.23 | j0nas | where can i find a good "how to guide" to install a new disk? |
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| 21:26.41 | Eulex | BucWheat, can you ping anything outside it? |
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| 21:26.46 | Kurtism | hmmm |
| 21:27.06 | BucWheat | Eulex i can only ping boxes on the LAN |
| 21:27.13 | TGoC | beijing isn't in the list nkuttler :p |
| 21:27.18 | asg | j0nas: basically, attach the drive. Boot. use fdisk to create partitions. Then, create filesystems of your choice. |
| 21:27.26 | [RS]h4ppy` | okay, i have a 4 days old computer, it used to run netBSD before, i want to install debian on it now. its and Intel pentium 4 which of this packs should i take?: [alpha] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] ? thanks for the help |
| 21:27.38 | Eulex | BucWheat, hmm. sounds like you've got a problem with the router then. |
| 21:27.39 | Hostix | i got some probloms with X when i type "startx" i get "xinit no such procces (error 3): Server error" an some no file found errors |
| 21:27.40 | asg | [RS]h4ppy`: i386 is the correct one |
| 21:27.44 | [RS]h4ppy` | thanks |
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| 21:27.52 | asg | [RS]h4ppy`: which .iso image did you download and from where? |
| 21:27.53 | Eulex | [RS]h4ppy`, i386, as it is an i386-compatible. |
| 21:27.54 | nkuttler | TGoC: grab your world map |
| 21:28.08 | soymilk | Hostix: do you have a window manager installed? do you have a ~/.xsession file? |
| 21:28.24 | TGoC | mmz |
| 21:28.48 | Hostix | soymilk, no i just installed a mimi installed an then i installed kde |
| 21:28.59 | bizkit | good night everyone :) |
| 21:28.59 | BucWheat | Eulex hrmm.. my windows box works fine it is getting ip via dhcp from router though |
| 21:28.59 | Hostix | instalation* |
| 21:29.07 | soymilk | Hostix: what happens if you type "startkde" instead? |
| 21:29.07 | BucWheat | Eulex the debian box is static ip |
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| 21:29.36 | Hostix | cannot connect to X server |
| 21:29.42 | Eulex | BucWheat, if a router uses dhcp, it usually wants you to use dhcp before it lets you out on the net. try dhcp. |
| 21:29.54 | Hostix | unable to open display |
| 21:30.09 | soymilk | Hostix: you need to configure X. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:30.16 | Hostix | k |
| 21:30.49 | Hostix | thx |
| 21:30.53 | BucWheat | Eulex so now i need to change static to dhcp in interfaces |
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| 21:31.34 | ludi | Hello, how do I get bittorrent working on debian ? |
| 21:31.42 | Eulex | BucWheat, yes |
| 21:31.46 | Hostix | i think i found the problom |
| 21:31.50 | Eulex | ludi, use a bittorrent client |
| 21:31.54 | Hostix | xserver wasent installed :D |
| 21:32.05 | asg | !lart Hostix |
| 21:32.11 | soymilk | Hostix: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 21:32.11 | nkuttler | BucWheat: you can try ifconfig eth0:1 inet x.x.x.x |
| 21:32.32 | Hostix | soymilk, just did apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:32.36 | Eulex | BucWheat, and remove all settings you set manually |
| 21:32.38 | ludi | Eulex: what is the package name? |
| 21:32.42 | soymilk | Hostix: that's not enough |
| 21:32.44 | Eulex | ludi, there are several |
| 21:32.48 | Hostix | k |
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| 21:33.05 | Eulex | ludi, apt-cache search bittorrent client |
| 21:33.07 | soymilk | Hostix: you need all the fonts, libraries, etc |
| 21:33.13 | ludi | bittorrent and bittorrent-gui |
| 21:33.16 | asg | Hostix: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 21:33.51 | Eulex | ludi, read the descriptions and try out yourself. personally, I prefer bittornado-gui |
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| 21:34.11 | Jonathan` | can I just write a command directly into the cron.daily that's like cp /dir1/* /dir2 ? |
| 21:34.15 | BucWheat | Eulex done. it pulled an ip of 192.168.2.102 and i still can't ping www.yahoo.com |
| 21:34.19 | soymilk | anyone know anything about the "busy cursor" in X? is there some way to permanently disable it? |
| 21:34.23 | Jonathan` | after the numeric values of course |
| 21:34.54 | ludi | Eulex: I can't launch it...what's the binary executable name? |
| 21:35.10 | BucWheat | Eulex route shows this: 192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 21:35.15 | Eulex | ludi, dpkg -L pkgname and check for binaries in /usr/bin |
| 21:35.21 | BucWheat | the * is in the Gateway column |
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| 21:35.32 | Eulex | BucWheat, sorry, I dunno then |
| 21:35.35 | asg | Jonathan`: numeric values? |
| 21:35.56 | Jonathan` | for the minutes, hours, etc |
| 21:36.04 | asg | Jonathan`: /etc/cron.daily just contains scripts that cron runs every morning at 6:25 am |
| 21:36.11 | Jonathan` | oh |
| 21:36.15 | BucWheat | then i have on the next line: default 192.168.2.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 21:36.41 | BucWheat | hammerabi, asg is this correct? |
| 21:36.47 | Honeyman | Hello i needa last version of xfree86 ? |
| 21:36.58 | Honeyman | how to download this from sources.list ? |
| 21:36.59 | ludi | Eulex? would it be in /usr/share ? |
| 21:37.02 | Eulex | Honeyman, version of debian? |
| 21:37.09 | Honeyman | ya |
| 21:37.17 | Honeyman | last xfree86 fro debian |
| 21:37.18 | Kurtism | Similarly, a HP LaserJet printer using a JetDirect network interface at IP address 11.22.33.44 would be added with the command: |
| 21:37.22 | Honeyman | for debian |
| 21:37.22 | asg | BucWheat: looks fine to me |
| 21:37.23 | Kurtism | /usr/sbin/lpadmin -p LaserJet -E -v socket://11.22.33.44 -m laserjet.ppd ENTER |
| 21:37.27 | Honeyman | from sources.list |
| 21:37.31 | Eulex | ludi, no. binaries are stored in /usr/bin, /bin, /usr/sbin and /sbin |
| 21:37.38 | nkuttler | BucWheat: can you ping the router? can you ping 64.233.187.99? |
| 21:37.41 | BucWheat | asg well why can't i connect to internet? everything seems to check out |
| 21:37.46 | Honeyman | Kurtism ? |
| 21:37.49 | Eulex | Honeyman, I mean, are you running stable, testing or unstable |
| 21:37.56 | Jonathan` | what about using crontab -e |
| 21:38.09 | Kurtism | that's how you add a network printer to a debian box using cups |
| 21:38.09 | BucWheat | nkuttler From 192.168.2.1 icmp_seq=1 Destination Net Unreachable |
| 21:38.09 | asg | BucWheat: well, if you can ping your gateway ip, then there is something that the gateway isn't doing to forward your packets. |
| 21:38.13 | Jonathan` | can i write a cp command directly into the file that creates? |
| 21:38.26 | Honeyman | Can you have a sources.list fro download xfree86 kurtism ? |
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| 21:39.06 | asg | Jonathan`: it depends on 1) the ownership of the two directories and 2) which user you run 'crontab -e' as. |
| 21:39.19 | Jonathan` | doing all of this under root |
| 21:39.35 | asg | Jonathan`: then yes, that should work but then you will have to use numeric time designators. |
| 21:39.50 | Jonathan` | ok cool |
| 21:39.54 | Jonathan` | thanks |
| 21:39.59 | Honeyman | kurtism? |
| 21:40.59 | ludi | Eulex: why do you like bittornado better |
| 21:41.03 | [RS]h4ppy` | i keep getting the system halt on the netinstall file for debian.. :( when its trying to uncompress linux, it menages to open the install files, but then i get the error.. anyone know why, and what i can do to fix it? |
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| 21:41.22 | benjamindees | any good measurement conversion software? |
| 21:41.24 | Eulex | ludi, it has a nice and powerful gui. |
| 21:41.36 | cheal | [RS]h4ppy`: which error? |
| 21:41.48 | nkuttler | benjamindees: measurement? like inches in cm? |
| 21:41.53 | [RS]h4ppy` | when i try to install debian |
| 21:41.58 | [RS]h4ppy` | whit the net install file |
| 21:42.02 | [RS]h4ppy` | *cd |
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| 21:42.50 | SevenIsPrime | Hi all |
| 21:42.56 | benjamindees | nkuttler, yep |
| 21:42.57 | raf256 | any good news server (for own NEWS group, not to be connected to normal upstreams)? |
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| 21:43.22 | Jonathan` | can you use asterisks for every numeric value? |
| 21:43.32 | ludi | Eulex: what's the executable name for bittornado |
| 21:43.35 | nkuttler | benjamindees: hm, google "n inches in cm"... else you can script that in your favorite language |
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| 21:44.35 | BucWheat | what is the command to configure network with console gui? |
| 21:44.40 | Hostix_ | weee got X going :D |
| 21:44.41 | Eulex | ludi, dpkg -L bittornado (or bittornado-gui if you meant the gui version) |
| 21:44.42 | raf256 | what the fu*ck? why installing inn2 wanna remove my leafnode... |
| 21:44.49 | nkuttler | BucWheat: man interfaces |
| 21:44.52 | raf256 | how to ignore the conflict between inn2 and leafnode? |
| 21:44.54 | blondie | raf256: cos they both want to use port 199 |
| 21:44.56 | blondie | *119 |
| 21:44.58 | nkuttler | oh, gui... |
| 21:44.59 | blondie | and stuff |
| 21:45.06 | raf256 | blondie: I will move leafnode by hand to diff port |
| 21:45.07 | ludi | Eulex: /usr/bin/btcompletedirgui.bittornado |
| 21:45.07 | ludi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:45.12 | nkuttler | BucWheat: there's something called etherconf iirc |
| 21:45.13 | ludi | Eulex: is that it? |
| 21:45.26 | roby | I have kernel headers, make, and gcc-4.0 istalled, what other packages will i need to install the ati fglrx drivers? |
| 21:45.55 | asg | raf256: leafnode conflicts with news-transport-system (provided by inn2) |
| 21:46.05 | nukeu666 | im trying to install postfix with courier...the mail is reaching /home/user/Maildir/new but how do i read it? |
| 21:46.13 | raf256 | asg: how to ignore that conflict, pretending as if leafnode was never installed? |
| 21:46.18 | Hostix | how can i change the screen size dkpg-reconfig isent working it set to 1600*1200 but its only 800*600 in KDE |
| 21:46.26 | asg | raf256: dpkg --force-help (but be careful) |
| 21:46.29 | hammerabi | benjamindees: gnu units. |
| 21:46.42 | raf256 | Hostix: try using krandrtray |
| 21:46.53 | Eulex | ludi, that's one of them. check the man pages to see what they do. to download a single torrent, you'd use btdownloadgui.bittornado |
| 21:46.57 | raf256 | asg: but I have to download the. deb by hand? |
| 21:47.25 | Hostix | raf256, it can max go to 800*600 |
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| 21:47.38 | raf256 | Hostix: perahsp edit /etc/X11/xfree / xorg .cong |
| 21:47.40 | raf256 | .conf |
| 21:48.26 | asg | raf256: there may be a way to for apt to do that (man apt.conf) but I'm not sure. Otherwise, just remove leafnode, download the package, apt-get install inn2, install leafnode from its deb with the necessary --force-foo |
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| 21:48.59 | Jonathan` | how do you get around cp command omitting directories? |
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| 21:49.10 | raf256 | asg: where from should I download proper .deb for given application? if on unstable |
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| 21:49.43 | asg | raf256: apt-get -d install foo (will download the deb to your current directory) |
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| 21:50.07 | kingsley | Jonathan`: Which directories is cp omitting? (And do you know about cp's -r option?) |
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| 21:50.44 | Jonathan` | kingsley, its basically omitting every directory inside the one im trying to copy |
| 21:50.47 | raf256 | thnx |
| 21:51.08 | beardy | Jonathan`: Read the manual, use the recursive option. |
| 21:51.11 | [RS]h4ppy` | the installation is running nicly! :D thanks for all the help guys |
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| 21:51.12 | benjamindees | thanks nkuttler, hammerabi |
| 21:51.25 | asg | [RS]h4ppy`: what did the problem turn out to be? |
| 21:51.33 | kingsley | raf256: You can probably download unstable packages from several servers, but I use the following line in /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 21:51.46 | raf256 | asg pt-get -d install foo as well wants to remove leafnode, how to stop him? |
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| 21:52.08 | asg | raf256: no, grab the leafnode deb. Then remove it via apt. Then install inn2, etc., etc. |
| 21:52.24 | kingsley | Jonathan`: What beardy said. man cp |
| 21:52.25 | hefty | does anyone have an idea why lftp uses about 40-50% CPU load when downloading files through FTP-SSL on a AMD XP3200 machine?! |
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| 21:52.49 | boguh | hi, i want to mount a sd card. which filesystem is on this card? |
| 21:53.02 | asg | raf256: if it complains it is already installed, just use 'apt-get install -d --reinstall leafnode' |
| 21:53.05 | Dark_Oppressor | I just installed Debian, and am using Etch. I've got sound setup now to where it says its working on the software end, but no actual sound is playing. |
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| 21:53.19 | beardy | Dark_Oppressor: Check the volume. |
| 21:53.29 | Dark_Oppressor | beardy: i did, its unmuted and turned up |
| 21:53.30 | Eulex | boguh, how would we know? do fdisk -l to find out yourself. |
| 21:53.32 | kingsley | raf256: Stopping apt-get from removing a package could corrupt your installation. Evidently the package maintainers think there's a conflict. |
| 21:53.54 | raf256 | kingsley: well they are wrong, since i can just move leafnode to other port |
| 21:54.11 | raf256 | there should be imho options for users that know how to resolve such easy "conflicts" |
| 21:54.12 | asg | kingsley: he's aware of the consequences |
| 21:54.18 | boguh | Eulex thx, got it |
| 21:54.19 | valdyn | hefty: 'hdparm /dev/hda | grep using' ( or whatever device it is ) |
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| 21:54.51 | beardy | raf256: There are. |
| 21:54.53 | kingsley | Dark_Oppressor: I suggest searching google's web archive for a linux sound howto. It has good practical advice. |
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| 21:55.09 | Dark_Oppressor | kingsley: ok thanks, will do |
| 21:55.18 | Core_pointer | Hi, I had an OOPS while compiling dependencies for 'Scribe' with error messages indicating problems with /etc/rc*.d scripts. I could not reboot but managed to compile an unpacked 2.6.14 kernel via LiveCD and can now get in using init 1, and can get GUI but terminals have no cursor and don't seem to be able to switch consoles in init 5. init 3 takes me to 5 .. I have no connection. I'd be grateful for ideas on how to connect so t |
| 21:55.22 | raf256 | beardy: isnt there just --ignore-depend-conflict for apt? |
| 21:55.23 | kingsley | raf256: Are you sure that's the only conflict? |
| 21:55.25 | hefty | valdyn: that doesnt show up anything at all |
| 21:55.28 | raf256 | kingsley: yes |
| 21:55.36 | j0nas | asg: fdisk cant locate hdb |
| 21:55.49 | valdyn | hefty: so its a scsi or sata device? nm then. |
| 21:55.49 | j0nas | and that's what i supose it wold be anmed |
| 21:55.51 | j0nas | named |
| 21:55.53 | soymilk | anyone know a way to prevent X from using a busy cursor? |
| 21:55.54 | asg | j0nas: does 'dmesg' show that hdb was found by the kernel? |
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| 21:56.10 | hefty | valdyn: IDE with DMA enabled. The HDD is working fine...when I copy data over the hdd the CPU consumption is minimal |
| 21:56.27 | valdyn | hefty: ok, you just mistyped then |
| 21:56.28 | cat | hey how can you changed the time? |
| 21:56.32 | valdyn | hefty: i have no idea then. |
| 21:56.36 | asg | cat: /msg dpkg set time |
| 21:56.37 | beardy | cat: man date |
| 21:56.48 | hefty | valdyn: thanks anyway |
| 21:56.50 | j0nas | bash: demsg: command not found |
| 21:56.59 | asg | j0nas: dmesg, not demsg |
| 21:57.01 | j0nas | whops :D |
| 21:57.02 | j0nas | :) |
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| 21:57.52 | kingsley | raf256: I've read that apt can be told to "pin" certain applications to certain versions, or I suppose you could modify the package's dependencies or install the new package with "dpkg" and a "force" option, but none of these are easy. |
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| 21:58.16 | typewriter | how do you guys install djbdns? using the installer? or do you just do it manually? |
| 21:58.17 | venger | hefty: is load acceptable without ssl? |
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| 21:58.41 | asg | typewriter: I just install it manually generally. |
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| 21:58.50 | j0nas | asg: hdc it's named :) |
| 21:58.51 | kingsley | soymilk: You may want to ask in one of the X channels. |
| 21:58.54 | j0nas | thx m8t |
| 21:58.58 | asg | j0nas: you're welcome |
| 21:59.09 | asg | typewriter: however, the source installer package works quite well. |
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| 21:59.31 | typewriter | im trying to do it manually, but im getting errors when compiling/installing it, i installed gcc & make |
| 21:59.35 | typewriter | you know what else im missing? |
| 21:59.43 | asg | typewriter: did you install build-essential? |
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| 21:59.55 | jesus | how can i stop x? |
| 22:00.06 | raf256 | jesus: killall X |
| 22:00.07 | asg | jesus: how did you start it? |
| 22:00.09 | typewriter | oh no, i guess thats it |
| 22:00.11 | jesus | startx |
| 22:00.15 | blondie | jesus: do a miracle |
| 22:00.23 | blondie | you can turn water into wine, but not stop X? |
| 22:00.24 | asg | jesus: use your window manager's exit feature or ctrl+alt+bksp. |
| 22:00.24 | raf256 | turn X into water |
| 22:00.26 | beardy | jesus: /etc/init.d/?dm stop, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace if in it |
| 22:00.38 | jesus | blondie, du you have a problom with my name is jesus? |
| 22:00.43 | nkuttler | blondie: jesus is a common name in hispanic countries |
| 22:00.44 | Eulex | jesus, walk on water. that should do it. |
| 22:01.01 | nkuttler | like jim or joe |
| 22:01.08 | soymilk | thanks kingsley |
| 22:01.09 | raf256 | omg, I didnt know FSM was _so_ powerfull O_o |
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| 22:03.18 | Hostix | how could i stop x? |
| 22:03.26 | asg | Hostix: how did you start it |
| 22:03.36 | Hostix | "startx" |
| 22:03.48 | asg | Hostix: use your window manager's exit feature or ctrl+alt+bksp. |
| 22:03.55 | asg | Hostix: or killall X (from console) |
| 22:04.11 | Hostix | ctrl+alt+bksp just logs me out |
| 22:04.25 | asg | Hostix: logs you out to what? a console? |
| 22:04.30 | Hostix | killall X no process |
| 22:04.35 | Hostix | login form |
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| 22:04.49 | asg | Hostix: the login and type 'startx' |
| 22:04.53 | asg | s/the/then/ |
| 22:04.58 | Hostix | why wont telinit 3 work :/ |
| 22:05.03 | wxcv | debian :o) |
| 22:05.10 | asg | Hostix: because debian doesn't use init 3 by default |
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| 22:05.45 | asg | Hostix: you are, of course, welcome to use runlevel 3 to start/stop X if you wish |
| 22:05.49 | asg | bah |
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| 22:06.02 | beardy | Meaningless and stupid.. |
| 22:06.11 | scarynetworkguy | s 1 more than 10! |
| 22:06.17 | asg | scarynetworkguy: mine always go to 11 |
| 22:06.17 | brady | i want to have an environment variable named FOO, that is exactly one tab character. how do i create FOO from the bash prompt? export FOO="\t" does not work. \t is literally \t. |
| 22:06.19 | j0nas | asg: if u goot the time, what filesystem do u recomend? |
| 22:06.31 | j0nas | to run on the disk |
| 22:06.37 | asg | j0nas: ext3 unless you have a compelling reason not to |
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| 22:06.42 | beardy | brady: Why? |
| 22:06.43 | j0nas | ok |
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| 22:07.01 | brady | beardy, for fun and profit |
| 22:07.10 | brady | beardy, and great justice |
| 22:07.14 | beardy | brady: For profit, go hire a consultant. |
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| 22:07.29 | kingsley | brady: You may want to ask on #bash. |
| 22:07.35 | beardy | brady: great justice, ok, what happens if you don't quote it? |
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| 22:10.02 | asg | brady: well FOO='\t' works if you use 'echo -e $FOO' to print it out |
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| 22:11.20 | aredhel | brady, under bash to enter a <tab> do a crtl-v <tab> |
| 22:11.23 | brady | asg, beardy : i have found it is easiest just to put it in my ~/.bash_profile. the main issue is that at the bash repl you cant type a tab character |
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| 22:11.33 | brady | aredhel, i stand corrected |
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| 22:11.39 | brady | aredhel, just what i was looking for |
| 22:11.55 | beardy | aredhel: Thanks. |
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| 22:14.08 | [RS]h4ppy` | what do i write to install php and mysql? |
| 22:14.39 | Elly | apt-get install php mysql |
| 22:14.41 | Elly | perhaps? |
| 22:14.46 | kcodenamet | sounds right to me |
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| 22:15.12 | khermans | Anyone know how to script passing an input to a website via a post form? |
| 22:15.39 | Inmula | My Debian machine is getting very hot. :\ |
| 22:15.56 | ryanium | Pee on it |
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| 22:15.58 | Inmula | Poor laptop's CPU is at 67C. |
| 22:16.04 | ryanium | Works for me. |
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| 22:16.32 | kingsley | [RS]h4ppy`: 1.) Identify the exact names of the packages you want with "apt-cache search php" and "apt-cache search mysql". Then do "apt-get install <package1> <package2> ..." |
| 22:16.43 | khermans | I already filed a bug for Debian and laptops, because I burnt my nuts on it once |
| 22:16.46 | khermans | http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/09/msg00425.html |
| 22:17.05 | Inmula | Vmware Workstation 5.5 is a real CPU hog. |
| 22:17.18 | [RS]h4ppy` | it says it cant find the pack php |
| 22:17.24 | kingsley | khermans: You may want to ask on #bash. |
| 22:17.30 | brady | khermans, twisted (python) has some www clients. so does libwww. im sure perl has a significant collection, but im not versed. |
| 22:17.38 | kcodenamet | Vm on a laptop |
| 22:18.08 | khermans | from the bug report: "By default, for laptops, Debian should install a package to allow CPU frequency scaling...Please consider installing this by default in future versions so that Debian users' scrotums are not set on fire while using the laptop." |
| 22:18.09 | liran_ | Inmula, is there a better alternative? |
| 22:18.10 | kingsley | [RS]h4ppy`: Which command says it can't find php? |
| 22:18.20 | [RS]h4ppy` | apt-get install php |
| 22:18.34 | carramba | which php version do you want to install? |
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| 22:18.40 | liran_ | try php4 or php5 |
| 22:18.46 | kingsley | [RS]h4ppy`: Did yo make sure that a package named "php" exists? |
| 22:18.52 | kingsley | s/yo/you/ |
| 22:19.05 | liran_ | yo yo |
| 22:19.11 | liran_ | hey kingsley :) |
| 22:19.16 | Inmula | liran_: I need Windows 2000. :( |
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| 22:19.23 | [RS]h4ppy` | kk thanks |
| 22:19.33 | Inmula | WINE works for some things. |
| 22:19.37 | kingsley | liran_: Hi |
| 22:19.55 | [RS]h4ppy` | and mysql game me an error that it didnt have an directory to be downloaded to |
| 22:19.58 | liran_ | Inmula, yeah im just asking if there's a better alternative... there isn't. vmware gives a good solution but yes, it's drawback is consuming lots of ram/cpu |
| 22:20.00 | sphenxes | . |
| 22:20.06 | [RS]h4ppy` | there i wrote apt-get install mysql |
| 22:20.22 | nkuttler | [RS]h4ppy`: what is the exact error? |
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| 22:20.50 | kingsley | [RS]h4ppy`: apt-cache search mysql. |
| 22:20.53 | [RS]h4ppy` | the pack mysql had no installation kandiate or something like that (its in norwegian) |
| 22:21.03 | gravity | [RS]h4ppy`: You may be happier with an interactive frontend like aptitude or synaptic |
| 22:21.04 | asg | [RS]h4ppy`: install mysql-server |
| 22:21.27 | Inmula | I wonder if it is good to let my IBM Thinkpad's 1 GHz PIII CPU to run at 67C. |
| 22:21.37 | gravity | [RS]h4ppy`: Many people, myself included, find that they make it easier to solve the problems you're facing now |
| 22:21.38 | kingsley | gravity: That's a good suggestion. |
| 22:21.46 | gravity | kingsley: Thank you |
| 22:21.47 | liran_ | Inmula, not a very good idea :) |
| 22:21.50 | [RS]h4ppy` | hehe, thanks alot guys! |
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| 22:22.24 | SNow | hey can someone help me, how does this gallery call: http://zipfm.uzeik.lt |
| 22:22.30 | SNow | the source i mean, from where could i get it ? |
| 22:22.32 | SNow | maybe you now ;] |
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| 22:23.07 | nkuttler | Inmula: is 67 the lowest temperature you get? or when the cpu does things? |
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| 22:23.26 | blondie | SNow: maybe not |
| 22:23.44 | ar3dam | hello there ... what version kde have debian sarge 3.1 r0a? |
| 22:23.59 | cat | !info kde sarge |
| 22:24.05 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:44 (sarge), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 22:24.11 | cat | 5.44 |
| 22:24.13 | _rene_ | !info kdebase |
| 22:24.17 | Inmula | nkuttler: I think 42C is the lowest temperature. |
| 22:24.23 | _rene_ | !info kdebase sarge |
| 22:24.25 | SNow | blondie: you don't know actually? :) |
| 22:24.26 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 22:24.30 | Inmula | 67C when the CPU is busy. |
| 22:24.44 | ar3dam | !info kdebase |
| 22:24.48 | dpkg | kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
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| 22:24.51 | nkuttler | Inmula: that's ok i'd say. the fans turn on when it gets hot? |
| 22:24.54 | blondie | SNow: I don't see what flash has to do with debian :P |
| 22:25.00 | Inmula | nkuttler: Yes. |
| 22:25.20 | SNow | I don't see either |
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| 22:25.22 | SNow | but I am upset |
| 22:25.25 | nkuttler | Inmula: that has been okay for a few years on my dell |
| 22:25.27 | SNow | and I know this kind of gallery |
| 22:25.29 | SNow | for my photos |
| 22:25.31 | SNow | help me :)) |
| 22:25.34 | dpkg | kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 22:25.37 | asg | SNow: email the person who runs the site |
| 22:25.48 | SNow | I will, but it will last long |
| 22:25.49 | j0nas | asg: i goot one more dumb question, how do i mount the disk, i goot ext3 on it but i cant see it |
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| 22:25.52 | SNow | for him to answer |
| 22:26.07 | SNow | i think, so maybe you have seen and know the name of the source |
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| 22:26.11 | SNow | it would be faster my friends! |
| 22:26.25 | asg | j0nas: either create an fstab entry or just do 'mount -t ext3 /dev/hdc1 /mnt' temporarily |
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| 22:26.39 | SNow | I think it is time for me to go sleep |
| 22:26.45 | kingsley | SNow: Perhaps you should first ask the web site's maintainer which software (s)he uses and then see if its source is open. |
| 22:26.46 | beardy | The -t is not necessary, but good practice. |
| 22:26.49 | valdyn | Inmula: why not ask ibm which temperature is reasonable for your cpu? |
| 22:27.02 | SNow | kingsley: that's a good idea! :) |
| 22:27.12 | SNow | can you understand one thing :) |
| 22:27.18 | SNow | that the new year is comming |
| 22:27.19 | SNow | fastly |
| 22:27.19 | blondie | it's Flash so I bet it's not |
| 22:27.31 | Inmula | valdyn: Maybe later I will. |
| 22:27.33 | SNow | wFriday December 30 2005 -- 00:27 +02:00 |
| 22:27.37 | SNow | my time |
| 22:27.39 | SNow | and yours? :)) |
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| 22:27.58 | valdyn | Inmula: either way 67C isnt unusual at all for many modern CPU, i have no idea about p3 though |
| 22:28.21 | blondie | SNow: I don't know, I don't celebrate religions things |
| 22:28.30 | blondie | *religious |
| 22:28.32 | SNow | you don't celebrate new years day? |
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| 22:28.38 | asg | blondie: new years isn't religious |
| 22:28.42 | SNow | yeah |
| 22:28.44 | blondie | yes it is |
| 22:28.53 | SNow | and don't be silly you should celebrate |
| 22:28.58 | SNow | blondie common'! |
| 22:29.03 | blondie | common? |
| 22:29.11 | SNow | it isn't religios, it is based on the calendar, and you are using it, I think :) |
| 22:29.22 | SNow | religios is christmas or easter |
| 22:29.26 | nkuttler | SNow: and the calendar, who made it? |
| 22:29.36 | SNow | not the new years day :) |
| 22:29.38 | nkuttler | SNow: right... the roman catholic church.. |
| 22:29.46 | Inmula | Christmas isn't religious. |
| 22:29.48 | blondie | the calendar you using is christian |
| 22:29.51 | blondie | +are |
| 22:29.55 | abrotman | it's Julian |
| 22:30.06 | Inmula | Christmas is when you get presents from Santa. :) |
| 22:30.14 | blondie | it's based on jesus' birthday, so how can't it be religious |
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| 22:30.21 | SNow | Inmula: on christmas the jesus was born |
| 22:30.24 | abrotman | blondie: it's Julian |
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| 22:30.32 | blondie | Inmula: yes, replace one mythical creature with another! |
| 22:30.33 | Inmula | SNow: Proove it. |
| 22:30.38 | beardy | Inmula: And Santa comes from "saint". |
| 22:30.40 | SNow | Inmula: read the bible |
| 22:30.41 | blondie | abrotman: it's still christian |
| 22:30.50 | abrotman | blondie: The Julian calendar was introduced in 46 BC by Julius Caesar and took force in 45 BC (709 ab urbe condita). |
| 22:30.51 | SNow | blondie aren't you using the calendar? |
| 22:30.56 | SNow | so you should celebrate new yars eve |
| 22:30.59 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Calendar |
| 22:31.01 | yves | blondie, it<s not christian, it<s roman |
| 22:31.15 | abrotman | blondie: how much simpler life would be if we used a lunar calendar :) |
| 22:31.18 | beardy | SNow: There is no "the calendar" there lots of calendars. |
| 22:31.23 | beardy | +are |
| 22:31.29 | blondie | so it's a coincidence that it's the same number of years since jesus was apparently born? |
| 22:31.32 | asg | Actually, hitler created it. There, we can all stop now. |
| 22:31.41 | SNow | so what you are goin to do on the 31 of december at 12 o'clock |
| 22:31.43 | abrotman | blondie: that's a horrible argument |
| 22:32.03 | abrotman | blondie: especially since some people (like jews) call it BCE instead of BC |
| 22:32.08 | SNow | yeah, and everyone says, come on over at my place on thursday the forth, and you think , about what calendar he's talking yeah |
| 22:32.09 | blondie | well one thing IS for certain -- Y2k celebrations WERE christian |
| 22:32.12 | SNow | ;)) |
| 22:32.14 | SNow | and tell me if you don't use it |
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| 22:32.25 | abrotman | blondie: or just plain stupid .. oh wait .. |
| 22:32.26 | yves | blondie, the roman catholic adapted the julian calendar to reflect the believes. |
| 22:32.29 | blondie | abrotman: that doesn't change anything |
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| 22:32.42 | soymilk | um, why is it called "Anno Domini" if its not based on Jesus' birth? |
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| 22:32.53 | blondie | soymilk: because it is? |
| 22:33.00 | beardy | mogorman: Stop ircing as root. |
| 22:33.00 | soymilk | you know, like AD ? |
| 22:33.02 | SNow | what are you doing guys on the new years eve |
| 22:33.04 | SNow | ? |
| 22:33.09 | asg | SNow: sleeping |
| 22:33.09 | blondie | nothing |
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| 22:33.19 | soymilk | blondie: it is |
| 22:33.20 | blondie | well, nothing special |
| 22:33.20 | lur_ | hello |
| 22:33.21 | SNow | interested in what am I doin' ? |
| 22:33.28 | blondie | soymilk: that's what I said |
| 22:33.32 | lur_ | is it possible to adjust the dpi in debian? |
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| 22:33.42 | soymilk | blondie: i know |
| 22:33.47 | beardy | SNow: Not really, but you are probably going to tell us anyway. |
| 22:33.49 | blondie | there's a new name for AD - CE |
| 22:33.57 | asg | blondie: one could make the argument that new years eve celebrates another year of Unix Time |
| 22:33.57 | SNow | now if you are not interested |
| 22:34.02 | blondie | which is pointless |
| 22:34.02 | asg | blondie: :) |
| 22:34.11 | SNow | If I would be going to tell you in any way i would not have asked |
| 22:34.16 | soymilk | i guess now they say Common Era - but it was Anno Domini for a longer time |
| 22:34.28 | blondie | it's just politically correct rubbish, it changes nothing |
| 22:34.39 | SNow | have you ever tried to get drunk and dance all night long with girls in partys? |
| 22:34.42 | blondie | soymilk: and most people still say AD |
| 22:34.47 | SNow | on the december 31 |
| 22:34.47 | blondie | SNow: no |
| 22:34.50 | soymilk | CE is sort of like saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" to not piss of jews |
| 22:34.50 | SNow | new years eve? |
| 22:34.50 | yves | FWIW, if anyone who helped me is interested, I fixed my soundcard problems. It was a BIOS setup problem. |
| 22:34.53 | blondie | I dance with boys |
| 22:34.55 | SNow | blondie: why you didin' t? |
| 22:34.56 | blondie | (if at all) |
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| 22:35.22 | SNow | blondie: you are a female? |
| 22:35.30 | blondie | no |
| 22:35.36 | p8m | blondie: The church selected the epoch long after the calendar was created. New years was select long before jesus |
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| 22:35.56 | SNow | blondie: so then the conclusion is that you are homosexual? |
| 22:36.03 | blondie | SNow: I don't like that term |
| 22:36.07 | SNow | :)) |
| 22:36.11 | SNow | what term do you like? |
| 22:36.15 | blondie | "gay" |
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| 22:36.20 | p8m | no way |
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| 22:37.01 | thingfish | there's gay Debian users, of course. |
| 22:37.10 | abrotman | thingfish: where?! |
| 22:37.19 | thingfish | I mean, we're known for our good taste. :) |
| 22:37.20 | p8m | How could one not be gay with such nice package management? |
| 22:37.26 | abrotman | thingfish: what's my excuse ? |
| 22:37.28 | nkuttler | probably even asexuals |
| 22:37.28 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:37.28 | SNow | blondie: so then you should celebrate your birthday :) |
| 22:37.40 | blondie | my birthday is in june |
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| 22:37.43 | Inmula | What are asexuals? |
| 22:37.46 | yves | where would I look to be able to setup my network properly between a W2k PC and my Debian box^ |
| 22:37.51 | thingfish | people not into sex at all. |
| 22:37.54 | nkuttler | Inmula: google.com knows |
| 22:38.02 | SNow | blondie: do you celebrate it? |
| 22:38.13 | blondie | erm not really |
| 22:38.19 | blondie | i'm too old for that |
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| 22:38.26 | SNow | what do you celebrate then? do you have any friends? and how old are you? |
| 22:38.31 | lur_ | is it possible to adjust the dpi in debian? |
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| 22:38.46 | asg | lur_: yes, how do you generally start X |
| 22:38.53 | jon_ | startx |
| 22:38.58 | lur_ | it automaticall starts |
| 22:39.19 | lur_ | I login graphically |
| 22:39.25 | jon_ | That's good for you. |
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| 22:39.34 | Inmula | lur_: vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 22:39.36 | asg | lur_: then find what DM you are using and find where it starts X and change -dpi 100 to -dpi 75 |
| 22:39.45 | blondie | SNow: not much, i don't know, 24 |
| 22:39.58 | lur_ | I am gonna be using a 5 inch gamecube lcd screen |
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| 22:40.02 | lur_ | what dpi would I want? |
| 22:40.16 | SNow | blondie: do you like your life? |
| 22:40.16 | saapas | is there an explanation what all those smilies in default debian installer's disk partitioning mean? |
| 22:40.31 | Inmula | lur_: The one that satisfies you. |
| 22:40.45 | lur_ | ok, solid |
| 22:40.49 | lur_ | thanks |
| 22:40.49 | asg | SNow, blondie: how about taking it to /private |
| 22:41.04 | thc | saapas: the d-i tells you what those mean. |
| 22:41.17 | SNow | asg: and leave the channel with talking about debian and servers on the last day of the 2005? |
| 22:41.19 | [RS]h4ppy` | what is the "program" that looks like an old dos, i think it like black or something, and with that u can easly browse thru ur folders? |
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| 22:41.20 | SNow | no-way |
| 22:41.25 | SNow | let's talk sensitive |
| 22:41.26 | [RS]h4ppy` | rs or something!? |
| 22:41.28 | SNow | :) |
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| 22:41.28 | ice_1963 | :0) |
| 22:41.29 | asg | SNow: you can /msg each other and still be in channel |
| 22:41.34 | SNow | asg: :))) |
| 22:41.37 | SNow | that's not a good idea too :) |
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| 22:41.53 | asg | SNow: perhaps not for you but for the rest of us it is |
| 22:41.54 | SNow | i want to find out feelings in your cold blooded firewalled hearts :) |
| 22:41.56 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: bash? mc? konsole? |
| 22:42.00 | [RS]h4ppy` | yeah, mc |
| 22:42.02 | nkuttler | SNow: hell it's still there 29. here. don't you have a real life where you can party? |
| 22:42.20 | [RS]h4ppy` | how do i get that? can i use apt-get install mc or something like that |
| 22:42.28 | SNow | forget debian, forget pc, forget IT, find the persons you love and go to celebrate :)) |
| 22:42.28 | beardy | SNow: There are better places to talk about such things. |
| 22:42.31 | nkuttler | s/there/the/ |
| 22:42.31 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: of course :) |
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| 22:42.36 | SNow | nkuttler: you mean? |
| 22:42.36 | saapas | thc, eh, it does, where ? |
| 22:42.41 | SNow | beardy: where? |
| 22:42.45 | SNow | :) |
| 22:42.55 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: and "like old dos" is very very simplified opinion :) |
| 22:42.57 | [RS]h4ppy` | lol, i just had to be sure! ;) |
| 22:43.07 | [RS]h4ppy` | yeah, it reminds me of my first computer |
| 22:43.08 | [RS]h4ppy` | :P |
| 22:43.11 | SNow | btw, i have a real life, but it's the night now here in lithuania |
| 22:43.13 | thc | saapas: the debian installer explains what those mean, before you even begin partitioning a disk for a debian install. |
| 22:43.21 | Inmula | SNow: I don't have a life. |
| 22:43.25 | saapas | thc, so I must be blind. |
| 22:43.25 | thingfish | cool, lithuania. which city? |
| 22:43.29 | SNow | Vilnius |
| 22:43.32 | thc | saapas: obviously. |
| 22:43.34 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: in fact it is something like norton commander clone |
| 22:43.44 | thingfish | neat. I actually tried to learn a little lithuanian once. |
| 22:44.00 | SNow | thingfish: and what have you learnt? :)) |
| 22:44.09 | SNow | this language, ofcourse i think you have already known that |
| 22:44.20 | SNow | that is one of the most difficult |
| 22:44.22 | SNow | in the world!!! :)) |
| 22:44.37 | carramba | SNow: I have thought that about polish ;-) |
| 22:44.50 | SNow | polish is not hard |
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| 22:44.58 | [RS]h4ppy` | where can i checl the local ip on my debian server? |
| 22:45.00 | thingfish | it's a fascinating language. linguistics scholars study it often, as it's the oldest currently spoken indo-european language (i.e., changed least of any other from proto-indo-european). |
| 22:45.02 | TrOyAnO | hola |
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| 22:45.06 | asg | [RS]h4ppy`: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 22:45.09 | [RS]h4ppy` | thx |
| 22:45.16 | SNow | lithuanian is said to be the 3 hardest language in the world after the chinese and something in asia |
| 22:45.22 | cmatei | czech must be the hardest |
| 22:45.23 | thc | SNow: who cares ? |
| 22:45.25 | thingfish | I believe it. |
| 22:45.34 | SNow | And I AM TAKING AN EXAM OF SCHOOL-LEAVING OF LITHUANIA IN SPRING |
| 22:45.34 | SNow | yee;] |
| 22:45.34 | SNow | :)) |
| 22:45.34 | thingfish | neat |
| 22:45.39 | SNow | the grammar is awful |
| 22:45.54 | thingfish | yes it is, similar somewhat to russian, though, so it's not that bad. |
| 22:46.14 | SNow | there are so many gramatics, that you can't even realise |
| 22:46.21 | SNow | and it is super hard :) |
| 22:46.28 | SNow | thingfish: and what have you learnt? :) |
| 22:46.34 | thingfish | labas. |
| 22:46.36 | SNow | do you remember how to greet lithuanian? |
| 22:46.38 | thingfish | that's it |
| 22:46.39 | SNow | labas is good :) |
| 22:46.48 | thingfish | labas rytas? |
| 22:46.57 | [RS]h4ppy` | is there any third party program i can use so i can control my server from this server? |
| 22:47.06 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: webimn? |
| 22:47.06 | thc | haha |
| 22:47.08 | asg | [RS]h4ppy`: ssh |
| 22:47.22 | thingfish | ok, we're boring the other folks, sorry guys, just languages are sort of a hobby. |
| 22:47.23 | [RS]h4ppy` | any place i can download this, anyone whom got a link? |
| 22:47.25 | SNow | labas rytas = good morning :) |
| 22:47.27 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: webmin I meant, but the question is not specific :) |
| 22:47.36 | gravity | ew... webmin |
| 22:47.52 | asg | [RS]h4ppy`: apt-get install ssh ; ssh server ; manage server |
| 22:48.28 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: ssh is just a way of accessing remote console. webmin is different - it allows controlling services using www |
| 22:48.40 | blondie | webmin sucks |
| 22:48.43 | beardy | !webmin |
| 22:48.43 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 22:48.45 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: and of course it is in debian |
| 22:48.49 | [RS]h4ppy` | ;) |
| 22:48.52 | beardy | [RS]h4ppy`: Use ssh. |
| 22:48.54 | blondie | don't use webmin, use ssh |
| 22:49.15 | blondie | there's nothing you can't do from the CLI (it's not Windows! :P) |
| 22:49.24 | carramba | it depends on what he wants to do ... |
| 22:49.31 | blondie | no it doesn't |
| 22:49.34 | beardy | Not really. |
| 22:49.47 | blondie | what can you do with webmin that you can't using SSH? |
| 22:49.51 | [RS]h4ppy` | i jsut want to be able to run and fix things from this windows computer on my debian server |
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| 22:50.03 | blondie | get PuTTY |
| 22:50.07 | beardy | It depends on how he wants to do it, and in this case, there are right and wrong ways. |
| 22:50.12 | asg | [RS]h4ppy`: then use putty on your windows machine to connect to ssh on your Debian server. |
| 22:50.16 | carramba | actually I don't use webmin, just want to help newbie and show that there's more than one way to do it ;-) |
| 22:50.22 | [RS]h4ppy` | kk thanks! |
| 22:51.23 | beardy | !putty |
| 22:51.23 | dpkg | i heard putty is a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ |
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| 22:54.11 | LunarC | What's the best way to take a screen capture from inside a program for the purpose of streaming it live as video? |
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| 22:54.58 | carramba | LunarC: maybe import? |
| 22:55.31 | LunarC | what? |
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| 22:55.56 | LunarC | ah, is that fast? |
| 22:56.07 | carramba | LunarC: import, part of IIRC imagemagick |
| 22:56.25 | carramba | LunarC: don't know anything about its speed |
| 22:56.42 | yves | I want to setup networking between my Win2K box and my Debian box. Someone can help me? |
| 22:56.50 | LunarC | alright, thanks |
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| 22:59.26 | hammerabi | yves: be more specific about your goal |
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| 23:00.49 | yves | hammerabi: for now I would like the 2 boxes to see each other and be able to share files together. Later I want to make my Debian box a fileserver and webserver. |
| 23:01.12 | hammerabi | yves: share files how? SMB? NFS? |
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| 23:01.55 | hammerabi | and where are you up to now? |
| 23:02.01 | yves | hammerabi: I don't know what is best if eventually I want Debian to be a fileserver? |
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| 23:02.21 | hammerabi | yves: SMB is easiest for windows to access |
| 23:02.27 | [RS]h4ppy` | is there anything i need on a fresh installation of debian to log in via ftp? |
| 23:02.35 | hammerabi | [RS]h4ppy`: an ftp server? |
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| 23:02.48 | [RS]h4ppy` | yes |
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| 23:03.09 | raf256 | how to download .deb for given package into current dir for manual install using dpkg? |
| 23:03.13 | nkuttler | [RS]h4ppy`: apt-cache search ftpd |
| 23:03.14 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: apt-cache search ftp server |
| 23:03.18 | Epix | where might i find a debian file for reiserfsprogs? I nneed to download it on windows so i can pop it on a computer without network. |
| 23:03.19 | [RS]h4ppy` | kk thanks |
| 23:03.19 | yves | hammerabi: both boxes are up and running. I tried accessing the debian box from the W2k but it asked me for a password and none seemed to work. |
| 23:03.21 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: as usually :) |
| 23:03.25 | raf256 | I still cant install the leafnode and inn2 (I want to ignore the "conflict" |
| 23:03.30 | hammerabi | Epix: packages.debian.org |
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| 23:03.39 | carramba | raf256: ftp ftp.debian.org |
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| 23:03.48 | hammerabi | raf256: apt will not let you do that |
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| 23:03.56 | raf256 | hammerabi: why not, damn |
| 23:03.56 | carramba | raf256: then pool/main/... |
| 23:04.17 | hammerabi | raf256: because they both do the same thing, more or less |
| 23:04.25 | Woosta | I'm trying to install qCAD from apt .. but it tells me it requires libqt3c102-mt which it isn't going to install. If I try to install that *manually* it tells me it needs to remove ... well basically everything .. what's going on? |
| 23:04.30 | hammerabi | raf256: thus their default config would make one or the other not work |
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| 23:04.44 | hammerabi | raf256: install one from source or hack one of the packages to not Conflict with news-whateva |
| 23:04.44 | raf256 | I dont know how to download it from ftp |
| 23:04.45 | raf256 | damn! |
| 23:04.57 | raf256 | this is not comfortable |
| 23:04.58 | _rene_ | Woosta: welcome in transition times. I guess you use sid? live with it. |
| 23:05.05 | raf256 | there should be option in apt to just ignore the dependencies |
| 23:05.13 | raf256 | for more advanced users |
| 23:05.15 | Teac | Why don't I have /proc/bus/usb? |
| 23:05.28 | _rene_ | Woosta: or you have a hosed-up mix |
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| 23:05.32 | hammerabi | raf256: no |
| 23:05.38 | hammerabi | Teac: did you mount it? |
| 23:05.47 | hammerabi | Teac: usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
| 23:05.53 | Epix | hammerabi: whats the dpkg command to install it? |
| 23:05.59 | hammerabi | Epix: -i |
| 23:06.07 | Epix | hammerabi: thanks |
| 23:06.13 | _rene_ | Woosta: which is more likely since sids qcad depends on the now right one (libqt3-mt) |
| 23:06.17 | Teac | hammerabi: Mount? |
| 23:06.18 | hammerabi | Epix: if you're trying to repair filesystem damage so you can boot the system, tho, I hope you have backups... |
| 23:06.28 | nkuttler | raf256: why do you want two newsservers? |
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| 23:06.34 | hammerabi | Teac: why do you care if you have it or not? |
| 23:06.39 | raf256 | nkuttler: leafnode is just local caching |
| 23:06.45 | hammerabi | Woosta: welcome to testing/unstable |
| 23:06.46 | raf256 | nkuttler: inn is for my own small news group |
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| 23:06.54 | fabiolinux | how can I set up an icon for a particular type of ext? Ex. file.torrent => an azureus icon |
| 23:06.54 | hammerabi | Woosta: you need to wait for it to be recompiled against the new qt |
| 23:07.00 | _rene_ | Woosta: short story: the move from g++ 3.3 to 4.0 changed the binary-interface of C++ stuff. So the packages need to get renamed and applications recompiled. It works in sid, if you use a broken mix you are on your own |
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| 23:07.08 | hammerabi | fabiolinux: need to be more specific, e.g. do you mean gnome? |
| 23:07.10 | raf256 | hammerabi: why not allow such option to do more advanced stuff easly |
| 23:07.10 | Teac | hammerabi: So I can use a USB device (camera) with Windows 2000 in vmware. |
| 23:07.25 | fabiolinux | hammerabi: yes, gnome |
| 23:07.37 | carramba | raf256: more advanced != wrong |
| 23:07.38 | hammerabi | raf256: because apt is basically a logical constraint solver |
| 23:07.48 | [RS]h4ppy` | okay, i installed an ftp server, but i can log in, i have 2 accounts, 1 root and on other, but how do i make an account for the ftp server? |
| 23:07.51 | hammerabi | Teac: are you really using Debian? |
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| 23:07.56 | nkuttler | raf256: makes sense. i'd probably install leafnode from source then or look into dpkg --force-help |
| 23:08.05 | Teac | hammerabi: Yes. |
| 23:08.06 | raf256 | carramba: what is wrong about having installed two news server programs? |
| 23:08.08 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: adduser ? |
| 23:08.13 | hammerabi | Teac: then it should be mounted already |
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| 23:08.17 | hammerabi | [RS]h4ppy`: what does that mean? |
| 23:08.21 | raf256 | nkuttler: I was unable to downalod the .deb manually. |
| 23:08.25 | hammerabi | [RS]h4ppy`: the ftp server is already running under an existing account |
| 23:08.27 | Teac | hammerabi: I don't see it. |
| 23:08.33 | nkuttler | raf256: hm? go to packages.debian.org |
| 23:08.37 | hammerabi | Teac: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 23:08.44 | carramba | raf256: they do the same things ... ok, I can see - you want them installed on different ports? |
| 23:08.48 | muhoo | looking at memstat, why would libnss be using up massive amounts of RAM? |
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| 23:08.54 | muhoo | it seems like a simple library. |
| 23:08.55 | Teac | 2.6.14.2 |
| 23:09.05 | raf256 | carramba: they do different things, totally, and yes I wanna them on different ports |
| 23:09.06 | hammerabi | Teac: you compiled your own kernel? |
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| 23:09.16 | muhoo | i mean: 149120k: PID 3519 (/lib/tls/libnss_files-2.3.2.so) |
| 23:09.17 | Teac | I have a Thinkpad R30, could it be that USB isn't supported? |
| 23:09.19 | Teac | hammerabi: I did. |
| 23:09.20 | fabiolinux | hammerabi: file.torrent have the icon related to the text editor. I'd like to change the icon for every files.torrent. Could you help me? |
| 23:09.28 | iostream | Hi, I get the following when running smartctl -a /dev/hdc, kan anyone tell me if this is a serious issue: http://pastebin.com/483486 |
| 23:09.30 | carramba | raf256: after downloading manually you can issue dpkg -i --force-conflicts package.deb or sth similar |
| 23:09.31 | hammerabi | Teac: then my first guess is that you did it wrong and forgot to include usb support |
| 23:09.33 | raf256 | carramba: "I know better you do NOT WANT that" is windoze-like approach, and this is linux isnt it |
| 23:09.40 | hammerabi | fabiolinux: ok, good luck |
| 23:09.46 | carramba | raf256: on your own responsibility :) |
| 23:09.48 | hammerabi | fabiolinux: #gnome on irc.gnome.org may know |
| 23:09.49 | raf256 | carramba: how to download manually? its not easy to dfind on ftp.debian.org |
| 23:09.49 | Teac | hammerabi: I'll go look at my config |
| 23:09.59 | nkuttler | !tell raf256 about pdo |
| 23:10.01 | muhoo | pid 3519 is squid. still.... that's a lot of ram for libnss |
| 23:10.04 | carramba | raf256: cd pool/main/l/leafnode/ |
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| 23:10.11 | fabiolinux | hammerabi: thanks |
| 23:10.15 | carramba | raf256: and download - the same with second package |
| 23:10.21 | raf256 | ok |
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| 23:11.05 | carramba | raf256: one moment |
| 23:11.11 | hammerabi | raf256: bear in mind apt will not work anymore if you do that |
| 23:11.15 | raf256 | Im writting a commercial application, not open sourced but I want to make a nice linux version, can/shpould I add it to repository? |
| 23:11.21 | raf256 | hammerabi: why? |
| 23:11.24 | carramba | raf256: why do you think there is a conflict between them? |
| 23:11.33 | hammerabi | raf256: ie you will not be able to 'apt-get install blah' anything until you remove one of them |
| 23:11.38 | Smeta | I´m gonna put up a debian server and I´m not gonna have monitor, keyboard and mouse, just vnc and ssh to it from my other comp. how can i make it startx with remote desktop? |
| 23:11.39 | hammerabi | raf256: because apt does not work on broken systems |
| 23:11.40 | Teac | Should I have the USB device file system? |
| 23:11.40 | raf256 | carramba: apt wannts to remove inn while installing leafnode and viceversa |
| 23:11.45 | hammerabi | Teac: yes... |
| 23:11.51 | Teac | hammerabi: Thank you. |
| 23:11.53 | hammerabi | Teac: why are you bothering to compile your own kernel at all? |
| 23:11.54 | Ronin | Smeta: why would the server need x? |
| 23:11.55 | carramba | raf256: I cannot see conflicts for them ... |
| 23:11.55 | raf256 | hammerabi: thats the reason there isn no win32 port of apt ;) ? |
| 23:12.07 | blondie | raf256: no we don't want your nasty closed programs |
| 23:12.07 | carramba | raf256: in SID, while you use ...? |
| 23:12.09 | raf256 | carramba: well, my apt do see it. they both provide newsserver |
| 23:12.15 | hammerabi | carramba: they both provide and conflict with news-transport-system |
| 23:12.21 | raf256 | blondie: why nasty? |
| 23:12.27 | muhoo | raf256: as long as it adheres to the DFSG, why not? |
| 23:12.28 | blondie | because it's closed source |
| 23:12.30 | blondie | ;p |
| 23:12.32 | Teac | hammerabi: It is the only way to work around my hardware that is poorly supported by Debian's kernel images. |
| 23:12.38 | raf256 | blondie: and |
| 23:12.42 | raf256 | muhoo: DFSG? |
| 23:12.43 | blondie | raf256: are you ashamed of your coding? |
| 23:12.45 | hammerabi | Teac: x30's don't work out of the box? |
| 23:12.47 | Smeta | Ronin:because I want to run dc-gui on it |
| 23:12.49 | muhoo | !tell raf256 about dfsg |
| 23:12.51 | raf256 | blondie: no |
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| 23:13.02 | hammerabi | blondie: badgering people about that sort of thing is pretty silly |
| 23:13.10 | Teac | hammerabi: THinkpad R30 |
| 23:13.36 | raf256 | blondie: but if competiotion would reuse the source code they will put us out of business. |
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| 23:13.53 | Teac | hammerabi: Out of the box, I can't suspend. |
| 23:13.55 | muhoo | raf256: then your business model needs improvement :-P |
| 23:14.03 | |DuReX| | * */1 * * * /root/script.sh |
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| 23:14.04 | hammerabi | Teac: even with 2.6.14? |
| 23:14.10 | |DuReX| | is this correct to exec this every hour ? |
| 23:14.14 | teufel | right now I have a cable modem connected to a linux machine running ipmasq and that is connected to another computer that I want to have internet access on. The client can ping the gateway, but can't use any internet services |
| 23:14.14 | Teac | hammerabi: Yes, even with 2.6.14. |
| 23:14.15 | blondie | raf256: why, because they would do it better? |
| 23:14.18 | raf256 | muhoo: GPL freaks should realise that GPL not always is the solution |
| 23:14.29 | muhoo | raf256: DFSG is not GPL |
| 23:14.46 | hammerabi | teufel: are you joking? |
| 23:14.50 | _rene_ | raf256: he did not talk about the GPL you anti-GPL troll |
| 23:14.52 | Teac | hammerabi: I use software suspend to substitute the lack of working APM or ACPI suspend (ACPI works for battery and a few other things.) |
| 23:14.52 | raf256 | blondie: no, they will just take the program and give it for free to their customers (they do have 98% of market) and noone will have reason to choose us over them |
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| 23:14.59 | teufel | hammerabi: no... I'm still trying to figure this out =P |
| 23:15.21 | hammerabi | teufel: I've told you the solution about 74 000 times now: configure the clients properly |
| 23:15.27 | raf256 | _rene_: Im not anti-GPL. but not everyone can code from parents basement and not every business can make profit just from support and stuff |
| 23:15.28 | hammerabi | teufel: they need to know their gateway |
| 23:15.32 | Smeta | I´m gonna put up a debian server and I´m not gonna have monitor, keyboard and mouse, just vnc and ssh to it from my other comp. how can i make it startx with remote desktop? |
| 23:15.32 | _rene_ | raf256: DSFG != GPL. There's many more free software licenses. That's what the DFSG is about |
| 23:15.36 | Teac | hammerabi: The Thinkpad R30 wasn't common enough I guess to have much support. |
| 23:15.36 | teufel | hammerabi: and I've told you that I have.. |
| 23:15.53 | _rene_ | raf256: you don't need. you *can* sell your software. The GPL explicitely *allows* that |
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| 23:15.56 | hammerabi | teufel: clearly not, or they could ping 203.31.48.7 |
| 23:15.58 | teufel | hammerabi: the gateway is set on the client machine to the internal address of the gateway |
| 23:16.02 | raf256 | _rene_: the program itself is free to be installed, as long as it points to our servers (its inet client) |
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| 23:16.26 | blondie | if it's free, then how do you make money from it? |
| 23:16.40 | muhoo | raf256: if your code is so shitty that some "kid in parent's basement" can compete with it, then well, you don't have a business model. |
| 23:16.44 | hammerabi | blondie: cygnus sold GDB and GCC for years and were profitable |
| 23:16.51 | _rene_ | raf256: which is a non-free restriction afais. if the point-to-your-servers is mandatory |
| 23:17.00 | raf256 | _rene_: but if someone that already have 98% of market will take my program (results of months of work), and simply reconfigure it to its server, and give it away to own customers for free, WHY ANYONE would by my server account then? |
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| 23:17.18 | teufel | hammerabi: I have it right in front of me, it's using the correct gateway... |
| 23:17.19 | blondie | raf256: better service? |
| 23:17.23 | muhoo | really, no "kid in parent's basement" is competing with any serious commercial software, or even the top-tier high-quality free software projects. |
| 23:17.26 | hammerabi | teufel: show us 'ip a' and 'ip r' from one of the machines |
| 23:17.27 | harleyg | whats the command to see how much space is left on the hds? |
| 23:17.28 | raf256 | blondie: as in? |
| 23:17.29 | _rene_ | raf256: remove that restriction and it's acceptable for Debian. if not, good luck finding someone who does upload that. even then, if someone finds that clause it gets removed later... |
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| 23:17.34 | hammerabi | harleyg: df -h |
| 23:17.36 | harleyg | ty |
| 23:17.43 | beardy | harleyg: df |
| 23:17.54 | raf256 | blondie: thre is no room to improve the service. No one gives a damn about is the server responds in 0.59 or 0.52 second. not enought to pay |
| 23:17.55 | blondie | raf256: well you appear to be providing a service, so make it better than the other one |
| 23:17.56 | _rene_ | raf256: s/it's/it may be/ |
| 23:18.04 | muhoo | there's a large gap between apache, mozilla, linux, etc, and "little timmy's freshmeat project with no users and 1 developer" |
| 23:18.12 | jjhall | Is there an easy way to pull one single package from unstable? I looked at pinning but it looks like a lot of work just to get one package (signing-party to be specific) |
| 23:18.12 | raf256 | blondie: there is no way to improve it further |
| 23:18.24 | Smeta | ronin: do you know how i can solv this? |
| 23:18.27 | hammerabi | jjhall: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:18.36 | teufel | hammerabi: static ip 192.168.5.101 default gateway 192.168.5.1 |
| 23:18.48 | jjhall | hammerabi: Thanks! |
| 23:18.54 | hammerabi | jjhall: pulling a single package from sid almost certainly involves getting at least libc6 from sid |
| 23:19.01 | hammerabi | teufel: not one of the clients runs linux? |
| 23:19.01 | teufel | hammerabi: the gateways external address is 24.9.201.68 internal address 192.168.5.1 |
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| 23:19.18 | teufel | no |
| 23:19.28 | hammerabi | blah |
| 23:19.40 | jjhall | hammerabi: Any known issues inside stable by updating that? |
| 23:19.50 | hammerabi | jjhall: it is a terrible idea |
| 23:20.07 | teufel | hammerabi: shouldn't is still work with windows machines? |
| 23:20.10 | jjhall | I better leave well enough alone then. |
| 23:20.25 | hammerabi | jjhall: e.g. libc6 may not work with older kernels, may not work with older libs |
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| 23:20.33 | hammerabi | I do not know of any current specific issues, tho |
| 23:20.51 | hammerabi | teufel: except it's fucking annoying to figure out what they are actually doing |
| 23:21.15 | hammerabi | teufel: maybe you misconfigured your gateway. or your clients. or who knows. |
| 23:21.15 | hammerabi | etc |
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| 23:21.31 | hammerabi | I'd be guessing some hunk of crap from that guide you were following has broken your gateway |
| 23:21.34 | teufel | hammerabi: I thought that was the beauty of ipmasq was no configuration? |
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| 23:21.52 | teufel | !pastebin |
| 23:21.53 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 23:22.58 | teufel | hammerabi: this is really the only thing I have configured... http://channels.debian.net/paste/1415 |
| 23:23.08 | quoth | anyone running msyslog? I'm having problem creating the key files, I get a weird no such file or directory errormsg |
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| 23:23.35 | hammerabi | teufel: which is untrue, since you followed that guide yesterday |
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| 23:24.07 | hammerabi | teufel: #flood: iptables -L -v -n, cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, ip r, ip a |
| 23:24.10 | teufel | hammerabi: I got rid of the other file that it told me to make though |
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| 23:26.03 | teufel | hammerabi: I get a 1 for the ip_forward and command not found on ip r and a |
| 23:26.07 | Brinky___ | can I configurate debian to use static ip via SSH? |
| 23:26.13 | Brinky___ | rebooting the machine isn't a problem... |
| 23:26.15 | hammerabi | blah |
| 23:26.19 | hammerabi | teufel: install iproute2 |
| 23:26.25 | Brinky___ | but the machine doesn't have a keyboard :) |
| 23:26.48 | hammerabi | teufel: and, if you've been mixing up "the debian machine we have been configuring" and "the wireless access point which is probably also a router" again, I will cry |
| 23:26.54 | carramba | Brinky___: so log in, change /etc/network/interfaces, then reboot |
| 23:27.03 | yves | how do I kill an app that has stop responding? |
| 23:27.04 | gravity | Brinky___: man interfaces |
| 23:27.05 | Brinky___ | ah, thnx! |
| 23:27.16 | [RS]h4ppy` | my second problem, the server is up running, i can log in on my ftp server, on the user named "tord" he has to folders that i created, one called /www and one inside there called /public.. but how do i open that in a explorer window? |
| 23:27.17 | gravity | yves: killall appname |
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| 23:27.31 | yves | ty |
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| 23:27.43 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: you need www server :) |
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| 23:27.51 | [RS]h4ppy` | how do i get that? |
| 23:28.15 | hammerabi | a phrase like "explorer window" is unneccessarily vague |
| 23:28.19 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: apt-cache search www server, then probably apt-get install apache2, then configuration ... ;) |
| 23:28.20 | hammerabi | [RS]h4ppy`: explain again what you hope to do |
| 23:28.21 | Eulex | [RS]h4ppy`, apt-get it? |
| 23:28.29 | teufel | hammerabi: Im not working with the wifi router right now, just trying to get the gateway to work |
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| 23:29.51 | yves | gravity: it still up there. the app is xmms. it has stop responding trying to read a faulty mp3. clicking on close don't work and issuing the killall xmms didn't do anything. |
| 23:30.01 | gravity | yves: killall -9 xmms |
| 23:30.06 | Epix | Ok, im running parted. HD light is off, cursor wont move, screen says something like shrinking 1% |
| 23:30.12 | yves | ty |
| 23:30.12 | Epix | should i be worried? |
| 23:30.21 | hammerabi | yves: if it's failing because the disk is fucked, it will not be killable |
| 23:30.47 | gravity | hammerabi: If the file is just a corrupted mp3 though, he should be ok |
| 23:30.49 | Mackus | If my NIC isn't supported with Net Install, is it possible that it will be supported within a standard install? |
| 23:31.04 | gravity | Hopefull |
| 23:31.05 | yves | killall -9 xmms worked. TY! |
| 23:31.10 | gravity | hopefully even |
| 23:31.12 | gravity | Cool |
| 23:31.32 | Mackus | I may try that...netinst seems to hate this generic onboard...whatever it is... :) |
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| 23:31.57 | Fluten | how can i change the resolution on my laptop's trackpad? the minimum i can move is 2 pixels at a time, and i want to change it to 1 pixel |
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| 23:32.08 | Fluten | so it moves twice as slow, but with more accuracy |
| 23:32.16 | yves | I'm trying to figure out how to setup my debian box so I can both pc's on the network. can't figure it out. |
| 23:32.19 | bobesponja | how can I get my usb mouse back after unplugging and reugging it? |
| 23:32.23 | gravity | Fluten: man xset |
| 23:32.34 | gravity | Fluten: I don't recall the exact parameters |
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| 23:32.56 | Eulex | Fluten, are you using the synaptic driver? |
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| 23:33.05 | Fluten | Eulex, no |
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| 23:33.33 | Eulex | Fluten, the synaptic driver allows you to tune a lot on how the touchpad will behave |
| 23:33.36 | Sajba | ö |
| 23:33.41 | Fluten | i don't know if would use the same drivers as other laptops. its a panasonic laptop and it's pressure sensative |
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| 23:33.57 | Eulex | !laptop |
| 23:33.58 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 23:34.00 | Fluten | it doesn't seem to use capacitance like other touchpads, i can use a pencil tip or anything hard to point it |
| 23:34.04 | Epix | anyone willing to tell me i just fucked my HD over? |
| 23:34.11 | bobesponja | anyone? |
| 23:34.18 | Eulex | Fluten, you could check any of the links above for info on your laptop ^^^ |
| 23:34.30 | raf256 | hm |
| 23:34.31 | GregorR-L | Epix: You just fucked your HD over. |
| 23:34.36 | GregorR-L | That was easy *shrugs* |
| 23:34.36 | [RS]h4ppy` | i check thru the list (apt-cache search www server) but i didnt find one that i could use for a web server, anyone know of one? |
| 23:34.41 | Fluten | ill try xset first |
| 23:34.42 | raf256 | how about GPLed game incorporating killing terrorists |
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| 23:34.52 | raf256 | like - killing bush and his peers |
| 23:34.55 | teufel | hammerabi: so any other suggestions... you think it is just windows messing some crap up then? |
| 23:35.05 | Fluten | when i plug in a usb mouse, it also has moves really fast without accuracy |
| 23:35.07 | yves | where can I go to get some help on setting up netwroking between a W2k pc and my Debian pc^ |
| 23:35.09 | raf256 | on what do it depend if such game is included? |
| 23:35.09 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: well, the most known is apache |
| 23:35.17 | Eulex | [RS]h4ppy`, apt-cache search www http server |
| 23:35.41 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: but maybe try boa |
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| 23:35.51 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: it is much simplier |
| 23:35.57 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: or another |
| 23:36.01 | hammerabi | raf256: is it Free Software? Does anyone care enough to upload it? |
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| 23:36.14 | raf256 | hammerabi: its just an idea, assume it is |
| 23:36.20 | Epix_ | parted crashed my computer... Druing a resize! |
| 23:36.28 | GregorR-L | It's mostly "is there anybody who cares" |
| 23:36.28 | Epix_ | parted crashed my computer... Druing a resize! |
| 23:36.34 | hammerabi | raf256: then I've answered you |
| 23:36.36 | raf256 | hammerabi: I hope game about killing bush is legal in USA? or perhaps it should go to NOMORONS |
| 23:36.41 | raf256 | I ment NOUSA |
| 23:36.45 | raf256 | NONUS actaully |
| 23:36.49 | GregorR-L | Epix_: Probably screwed up that partition. Probably screwed up that partition. |
| 23:36.53 | hammerabi | raf256: Debian does not have a non-us section anymore |
| 23:36.54 | Eulex | raf256, umh, such a game surely wouldn't be included in debian at least, for political reasons |
| 23:37.01 | raf256 | but havent that section been removed? oh ok |
| 23:37.10 | raf256 | Eulex: damn cowards |
| 23:37.12 | Epix_ | GregorR-L: Is that fixable? Is that fixable? |
| 23:37.20 | Ronin | Eulex: so debian bows to teh whim of politics and the usa? |
| 23:37.20 | hammerabi | Eulex: xbill is in Debian |
| 23:37.23 | Sajba | I´m not gonna have mouse or monitor or keyboard on my comp. just vnc and ssh, how can i log in to x? |
| 23:37.24 | raf256 | noone have balls anymore |
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| 23:37.32 | GregorR-L | Epix_: That sort of depends - I would boot up and see if it's OK first. That sort of depends - I would boot up and see if it's OK first. |
| 23:37.41 | [RS]h4ppy` | okay, i have apache now, where will the page be loaded? what folder? |
| 23:37.42 | Epix_ | GregorR-L: OOKK.. |
| 23:37.46 | GregorR-L | Heh |
| 23:37.49 | bobesponja | Eulex: do you know how I can get my usb mouse to work again? I unplugged it and replugged it and now it's blocked |
| 23:37.50 | hammerabi | Ronin: raf256 bear in mind no one in here actually has any say in this |
| 23:37.59 | hammerabi | so this discussion is somewhat stupid |
| 23:38.11 | Ronin | hammerabi: true, just discussion for discussions sake :) |
| 23:38.27 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: well ... try http://your.ip/~your_user - but that's a guess |
| 23:38.55 | raf256 | Ronin: indeed |
| 23:39.02 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: apache has its config, which points to filesystem in documentroot option |
| 23:39.05 | yves | beggin! where can I go to get some help on setting up networking between a W2k pc and my Debian pc? |
| 23:39.11 | raf256 | I think debian communicty should be able to step out again nowday terrorists, like usa gov |
| 23:39.14 | hammerabi | yves: please stop it |
| 23:39.21 | hammerabi | yves: if your problem is with samba, go to #samba |
| 23:39.22 | raf256 | at least in form of small game |
| 23:39.29 | hammerabi | raf256: that's great, but stupid and off-topic |
| 23:39.32 | Epix_ | GregorR-L: It be fucked |
| 23:39.34 | yves | ty |
| 23:39.35 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: back ... that's not important if you use user home directory |
| 23:39.54 | [RS]h4ppy` | kk, thanks1 |
| 23:40.07 | Eulex | Ronin, no, but it often does not include stuff that is politically or morally sensitive. an example is hotbabe. |
| 23:40.09 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: just try to enter mentioned url in your browser, should work |
| 23:40.28 | raf256 | Eulex: only morons have problems with hotbabes |
| 23:40.41 | raf256 | like some americans and some arabs, funny |
| 23:40.55 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: ah, iirc apache by default refers to public_html directory in user home dir |
| 23:41.02 | raf256 | what is now equivalent of non-us? |
| 23:41.07 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: and permissions should be set correctly |
| 23:41.26 | Ronin | Eulex: interesting, i learned something new today then, always a good day when that happens |
| 23:41.37 | carramba | [RS]h4ppy`: time for me, others will help you I'm sure |
| 23:41.41 | hammerabi | raf256: nothing |
| 23:41.53 | hammerabi | raf256: also, please stop the rude, uninformed and off-topic side-comments |
| 23:42.17 | raf256 | hammerabi: what about usa *** prohibitions, like against using strong encryption, or decrypting DVD |
| 23:42.39 | Eulex | Ronin, http://lwn.net/Articles/113644/ |
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| 23:42.52 | hammerabi | raf256: ... |
| 23:42.53 | SimonRaven | may i add racist to that list? :) |
| 23:42.54 | Epix_ | GregorR-L: I got an error about the FS not having init. |
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| 23:43.13 | raf256 | SimonRaven: not all americans are stupid, the problem is in the goverment AFAIK |
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| 23:43.32 | gravity | raf256: Stop being a tool |
| 23:43.38 | SimonRaven | no, you, dumbass. but, you can't reply anyway, so i won't bother.... |
| 23:43.59 | Eulex | Ronin, bugs.debian.org/223568 |
| 23:44.05 | Ronin | Eulex: humm, disgree with the logic but i have that problem with a lot of things |
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| 23:45.27 | SimonRaven | the non-logic baffles me ... they'll whip you with their stupidity until you run away screaming... |
| 23:45.56 | Sajba | Idon´t get shit , Im so fucked up on sleeping pills,so i have to go to zzz byebye |
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| 23:48.45 | SimonRaven | yeh yeh whatever :P |
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| 23:49.17 | Sajba | thats life |
| 23:49.23 | bobesponja | anyone know how I could get my usbmouse unblocked? |
| 23:49.30 | bobesponja | pleaaaaaaaaaaase :) |
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| 23:49.39 | paulswm | !irritate SimonRaven |
| 23:49.40 | dpkg | SimonRaven: HELP ME!!! who uses cable lol |
| 23:49.40 | Eulex | bobesponja, "unblocked"? |
| 23:49.46 | streuner | "unblocked"? |
| 23:50.02 | SimonRaven | take the block out from under it? |
| 23:50.06 | SimonRaven | blocks* |
| 23:50.15 | streuner | !usbmouse |
| 23:50.15 | dpkg | hmm... usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 23:50.18 | mango | hi every one. I have a toshiba tecra T9100 running on debian version 3.1 and kernel 2.6.8-2-686, I am trying to use the SD lot on the laptop, but I can not see it when I run dmesg...could nay one help please? |
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| 23:51.17 | bobesponja | Eulex: after unplugging and replugging it my mouse cursor doesn't move anymore |
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| 23:51.28 | Sajba | plase i have done a linux server and i can connect to it but I cant make it start x because i only run from ssh snd vnc.. ? |
| 23:52.04 | Sajba | can i start x from ssh ? |
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| 23:52.48 | streuner | Sajba: try /msg dpkg ssh+x |
| 23:52.53 | SimonRaven | uh, yeh, but why would you install x on a server (if it isn't an x terminal server)? |
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| 23:53.12 | Eulex | bobesponja, does your dmesg list it? |
| 23:53.26 | Sajba | I just want x so i can run dc.. |
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| 23:53.44 | raf256 | should USB hub work? |
| 23:53.52 | xiaogil | how to cat the syslog ? |
| 23:54.00 | raf256 | the hub itself is detected, but nothing happens when I attach something to it |
| 23:54.25 | raf256 | xiaogil: /var/log/... or dmesg in some way |
| 23:54.28 | bobesponja | Eulex: i don't know it outputs a lot of stuff |
| 23:54.28 | gravity | raf256: Does lsusb not show your newly attached item? |
| 23:54.45 | Eulex | bobesponja, at the end |
| 23:54.57 | SimonRaven | 'cat syslog' doesn't work? |
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| 23:56.04 | bobesponja | Eulex: no it dopesn't |
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| 23:56.05 | raf256 | gravity: no |
| 23:56.18 | bobesponja | Eulex: though lsusb does list it |
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| 23:56.22 | gravity | raf256: Hrm. I've never had a usb hub but my impression was that it should work transparently. Do you have hotplug or udev installed? |
| 23:56.40 | raf256 | gravity: I think so,m how to check? |
| 23:56.45 | Eulex | bobesponja, remove it and insert it again and then look at your dmesg. it should list stuff about it being deconnected and connected |
| 23:56.54 | quoth | anyone know of another secure logging proggie (realtime checksums of logs) other than msyslog? |
| 23:56.55 | gravity | raf256: Check your package list? |
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| 23:57.56 | raf256 | I have hotplug |
| 23:57.56 | Sajba | SimonRaven::what is an x terminal server? |
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| 23:58.31 | SimonRaven | a machine where it serves up terminal sessions, on x |
| 23:58.32 | raf256 | when I plug device directly, it works |
| 23:58.55 | bobesponja | Eulex: usb: Matched Device 5-2:1.0 with Driver midi...midi: probe of 5-2:1.0 failed with error -5 |
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| 23:59.32 | Eulex | bobesponja, umh.... driver midi? |
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| 23:59.56 | bobesponja | Eulex: Module midi not found |