| 00:00.04 | Eulex | bobesponja, hmm |
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| 00:00.09 | xshell | Oh my godness Im banned [at] #debian.de |
| 00:00.26 | Sajba | okay. SimonRaven: im just gonna have the machine for downloading from dc, so Im gonna put it in my friends closet. what programs should i run ? |
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| 00:00.54 | Eulex | bobesponja, tran |
| 00:01.03 | Eulex | bobesponja, that's strange |
| 00:01.24 | p8m | Sajba: You don't even need X, check out microdc. |
| 00:01.36 | Eulex | bobesponja, could you try modprobing mousedev? |
| 00:01.38 | Eulex | !midi |
| 00:01.38 | dpkg | it has been said that midi is MUSICAL INSTRUMENT DIGITAL INTERFACE, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or http://www.midi-howto.com |
| 00:01.55 | Sajba | is that from konsole? |
| 00:02.05 | bobesponja | Eulex: not found |
| 00:02.08 | Eulex | hmm. what is that module midi that it tries to load? |
| 00:02.23 | Eulex | bobesponja, compiled your kernel yourself? |
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| 00:02.42 | p8m | Sajba: yes, it's a command-line program |
| 00:02.42 | Sajba | p8m:is that from the konsole microdc? |
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| 00:02.50 | bobesponja | Eulex: yes |
| 00:03.07 | Eulex | bobesponja, then your problem is of the self-inflicted kind. |
| 00:03.10 | Sajba | okay,does it work nice ? |
| 00:03.49 | bobesponja | Eulex: does that mean "i have no idea how to solve your problem"? :) |
| 00:03.51 | p8m | Sajba, I find it very useable, together with screen. You should try it. It's a very small program |
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| 00:04.23 | Eulex | bobesponja, no, it means that you have forgot to compile something into your kernel. you need that module. go fix your kernel or use a stock one. |
| 00:04.39 | brosiooz | anyone known a tool like that when delete(classic rm -rf) a file overwrite all the sector writing 1 so is impossible recovering files ? |
| 00:04.55 | bobesponja | Eulex: but my usb mouse works just fine so i guess i don't need that module |
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| 00:05.07 | moshii | brosiooz: shread? |
| 00:05.09 | bobesponja | Eulex: or mzybe i compiled it into the kernel |
| 00:05.11 | Sajba | okey.thnks man.easier if i dont need to use x |
| 00:05.12 | SNow | hey everyone i recently backuped up my delted info and I've got many dump files, and some of them are photos, what should I do if I want to see that photo again? |
| 00:05.17 | Gnea | brosiooz: wipe |
| 00:05.20 | bobesponja | Eulex: let me check |
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| 00:05.42 | brosiooz | thx i'll check now |
| 00:05.48 | moshii | brosiooz: is pretty hard to make it *impossible* though |
| 00:05.59 | SNow | :) |
| 00:06.03 | SNow | no ideas? |
| 00:06.08 | Gnea | moshii: it is? |
| 00:06.18 | gb | brosiooz: yup you could use any number of methods including cp -f=/dev/urandom of=/dev/partition -c=number of blocks |
| 00:06.33 | brosiooz | moshii: if u overwrite all sector with 0 or 1 is impossible to recover anything is like low level format |
| 00:06.43 | gb | arrgh replace -f with -if |
| 00:06.52 | Eulex | bobesponja, sounds very strange to me that it tries to load a driver named midi for the mouse though. never heard of it, and it doesn't exist on my system. |
| 00:07.00 | brosiooz | gb: i think is good for entire partition |
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| 00:07.10 | moshii | brosiooz: um, what about the transition zones etc on the disk? |
| 00:07.10 | brosiooz | but i need to do it only for some files |
| 00:07.17 | blondie | gb: do you mean dd instead of cp? |
| 00:07.18 | gb | typically read man swap which explains preparing for a swapfile |
| 00:07.23 | Gnea | wipe will do that for files and directories |
| 00:07.28 | gb | blondie: yeah |
| 00:07.41 | brosiooz | moshii: i don't known about transition zones what are them ? |
| 00:08.35 | SNow | I've got dump files from the backup, it doesn't help renaming the dump file to .jpg and see the photo, what should I do? |
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| 00:09.04 | moshii | brosiooz: between each bit on the drive you have a zone to stop one bit changing the one next to it and so forth... data can be recovered from there .. and that's just one way |
| 00:09.55 | Eulex | bobesponja, so, it's a combination of "I don't know" and "I suspect you've got your kernel config to blame" |
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| 00:10.05 | hooya | anyone know how i can get python-kde3? on my system, it comes up as a virtual package with no dependencies and therefore nothing gets installed. |
| 00:10.34 | Eulex | hooya, it's in unstable, but not in testing or stable |
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| 00:10.44 | brosiooz | moshii: i don't known about that :\ |
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| 00:11.25 | moshii | brosiooz: that's the sort of stuff the police would do if you were plotting something ;) |
| 00:11.51 | hooya | Eulex: paella.berlios.de has 'em backported for sarge (found it from apt-get.org) but it's 403ed when apt-getting. is that intentional do you think? |
| 00:11.58 | bobesponja | Eulex: ok i'm gonna install an image, should i go for a 386 or 686, i have a pentium4 3Ghz |
| 00:12.06 | Eulex | bobesponja, 686 |
| 00:12.07 | brosiooz | eheheh |
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| 00:12.21 | Eulex | hooya, wouldn't say that sounds like it's intentional :) |
| 00:12.45 | brosiooz | but if i write more tipe random data i don't known how many datas the could recover :D |
| 00:13.01 | bobesponja | Eulex: thanx |
| 00:13.03 | hooya | hmm, let me try emailing the admin there.. |
| 00:13.10 | moshii | is anyone running the 2.6.15 kernels from experimental and can't build modules with module-assistant? I have a fix |
| 00:13.35 | Eulex | bobesponja, also, modules that you compile into your kernel usually don't generate an error if you try to modprobe them -- the kernel just ignores the request as the module is compiled in. |
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| 00:14.13 | thiago_ | hi. anyone that uses elinks might tell me how to get 256 colours within it? |
| 00:14.31 | teufel | when I connect a network cable between this linux computer and a windows computer, the little NIC lights up in the back, but when I plug it into another linux comp it doesn't... why? |
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| 00:14.58 | moshii | teufel: Is the cable a patch cable? |
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| 00:15.02 | Eulex | thiago_, elinks is not graphical |
| 00:15.15 | mykhi | evening, any hints how to write script wich will pretend keystrokes ? |
| 00:15.20 | teufel | moshii: cat5 |
| 00:15.22 | brosiooz | Wiping over NFS or over a journalling filesystem (ReiserFS etc.) will most probably not work. |
| 00:15.31 | brosiooz | so "wipe" not work on ext3 |
| 00:15.50 | bobesponja | thiago_: http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/html/manual.html-chunked/ch02s09.html |
| 00:15.59 | Elly | hey guys, how do you mount an ISO as a CD-ROM? |
| 00:16.23 | bobesponja | Elly: mount -o loop or something |
| 00:16.34 | thingfish | Elly: mount -t loop /path/to/iso /selected/mountpoint |
| 00:16.36 | Elly | 'or something' heh |
| 00:16.37 | moshii | teufel: There are two types of "cat 5 RJ45 blah" network cable patch, straight pin to pin, and crossover where RX and TX are switched on one side to allow two machines to hook up without a hub etc |
| 00:16.41 | Eulex | bobesponja, oh |
| 00:16.50 | Elly | thingfish: that's what I tried |
| 00:16.51 | Elly | mount: unknown filesystem type 'loop' |
| 00:17.01 | liable | iniit -o loop -t iso9660 |
| 00:17.06 | moshii | teufel: Maybe you have a patch cable, but the NIC is the windows box is able to switch RX and TX itself |
| 00:17.08 | Elly | hmm |
| 00:17.11 | teufel | moshii: I don't know too much about cables, I just don't understand why it would work with windows and not linux |
| 00:17.16 | Elly | I tried mount -o loop /path/to/iso /mnt/cdrom |
| 00:17.20 | teufel | moshii: ahh nevermind ;) |
| 00:17.20 | Elly | and it apparently worked oO |
| 00:17.31 | thiago_ | bobesponja: i tried there, but it seems debian's xterm isn't compiled with 256 colours support. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=305540 |
| 00:17.32 | bobesponja | Elly: thank me ;) |
| 00:17.39 | teufel | moshii: makes sense, I just tried my crossover cable and it worked fine |
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| 00:18.11 | moshii | teufel: mii-tool on the debian machine will be handy in the future .. |
| 00:18.26 | bobesponja | thiago_: than fix the bug, wait for it to be fixed or compile it, i would go for the third solution :) |
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| 00:20.10 | thiago_ | bobesponja: i got an error when i tried to compile the xterm from that site the elinks doc points to... but i'll try with sarge's one now, sorry |
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| 00:21.20 | hooya | mykhi: if it's console based stuff, try 'expect'. it comes with a recorder called autoexpect. you can tweak the resulting script to your liking. |
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| 00:22.23 | hooya | anyone know of a decent stock ticker type app? |
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| 00:22.45 | nekrataal | hi |
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| 00:22.55 | whatever | should hopefully be a simple question.... how well does SATA hot-swap (or even hook up period) with testing+ 2.6.13~ kernel? I've never attempted it before, not sure if its even been done before by the sane. |
| 00:23.23 | nekrataal | i have just installed the spca5xx driver for my webcam, its a logitech quickcam..the driver loads all right, but there is no /dev/video |
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| 00:23.31 | nekrataal | what am i missing? |
| 00:23.36 | nekrataal | i have v4l installed to.. |
| 00:23.38 | hooya | whatever: works great with 3ware raid cards. havn't tried it otherwise. |
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| 00:23.45 | nekrataal | and this driver works for this webcam |
| 00:23.48 | nekrataal | i know that. |
| 00:23.58 | nekrataal | but i dont know what am i missing.. |
| 00:24.06 | nekrataal | i also loaded the videodev module.. |
| 00:24.06 | armando | can i install debian on a mac classical LC?? |
| 00:24.07 | blondie | you probably need to mknod /dev/video0 |
| 00:24.16 | blondie | armando: doubtful |
| 00:24.20 | whatever | hooya: what chipset does 3ware use? ...I'm using a TYAN mobo actually with built-in stuff come to think of it. |
| 00:24.23 | nekrataal | blondie, there is no /dev/video* |
| 00:24.24 | smiler1987 | hi guys hope someone can help whats the best processor for linux? pentium celeron etc? |
| 00:24.32 | blondie | nekrataal: yes, that's why you need to mknod it |
| 00:24.35 | hooya | anyone know if i can get superkaramba working on sarge? |
| 00:24.36 | nekrataal | what other modules does it need to load? |
| 00:24.40 | nekrataal | blondie, ok |
| 00:24.43 | blondie | smiler1987: there is no answer to that question |
| 00:24.54 | blondie | nekrataal: though you need to specify options which I don't remember |
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| 00:25.00 | armando | oks |
| 00:25.13 | smiler1987 | blondie: no better performance over one or other? |
| 00:25.23 | nekrataal | do i need to create a FIFO? |
| 00:25.29 | blondie | er |
| 00:25.32 | nekrataal | a Buffered? |
| 00:25.36 | bobesponja | nekrataal: maybe ther is a /dev/video0 or /dev/video1 |
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| 00:25.41 | nekrataal | or a unbuffered |
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| 00:25.53 | nekrataal | bobesponja, there is no /dev/video** |
| 00:25.56 | blondie | smiler1987: well yes, a faster chip will be baster |
| 00:25.59 | blondie | *faster |
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| 00:26.19 | smiler1987 | blondi: im looking at a sony vaio fs315E celeron M 380 |
| 00:26.27 | smiler1987 | 1.6ghz |
| 00:26.31 | liable | i am almost at my monthly limit for internet usage, so i cant do remote desktop untill the 2nd of jan. |
| 00:26.34 | hooya | whatever: don't know. but 3ware works so well that it's the only card i've used for the past 3-4 years (used to use adaptec, ICP Vorted/Intel etc. before) and therefore haven't really needed to peek underneath the hood to find out about the chipset etc. i am currently using a workstation with a built-in raid disabled since i am using 3ware anyhow. |
| 00:26.35 | liable | doh |
| 00:26.42 | blondie | anything reasonably recent will be fine really |
| 00:26.57 | smiler1987 | cheers blondie your a star |
| 00:27.01 | blondie | other hardware is more important to chose |
| 00:27.06 | blondie | like network/sound/video |
| 00:27.21 | smiler1987 | oh 'ok |
| 00:27.24 | nekrataal | blondie, can yoy help me with the options im quite lost here |
| 00:27.27 | smiler1987 | any hints on what to get? |
| 00:27.28 | whatever | hooya: yeah, I'd go with cards any day of the week over onboard stuff. ;) Thanks for the info. |
| 00:27.31 | blondie | nekrataal: umm |
| 00:27.34 | smiler1987 | im looking at laptop |
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| 00:28.12 | blondie | nekrataal: try this: mknod /dev/video0 |
| 00:28.12 | blondie | c 81 0 |
| 00:28.14 | mykhi | hooya: no im trying to send keystroke to application no matther what is it |
| 00:28.15 | blondie | oops |
| 00:28.18 | blondie | that should be one line |
| 00:28.29 | blondie | mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0 |
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| 00:28.33 | whatever | hooya: oh.... hm, makes me wonder how the sata chipset would like that since it does a scan on boot. guess I'll pray I don't fry anything. XD |
| 00:28.50 | hooya | mykhi: can't help you there bud. |
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| 00:30.21 | nekrataal | blondie, it says not enought argument |
| 00:30.48 | smiler1987 | anyone have any preferance on laptops to buy 4 use with linux? |
| 00:30.52 | blondie | nekrataal: read the corrected one o.o |
| 00:30.55 | hooya | whatever: as far as i can tell, you can boot as long as 3ware has something to report back to the bios as a bootable drive. from there, i can hot swap drives in and out and 3ware just deals with it. or some such. hot-swap is new for me too. so i'll let other with more experience chime in.. |
| 00:30.57 | blondie | mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0 |
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| 00:32.17 | hooya | smiler1987: i'm partial to toshiba satellite pro 4100. excellent display in addition to very good overall specs. |
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| 00:32.44 | hooya | smiler1987: i own 2 of 'em. |
| 00:33.09 | smiler1987 | hooya: ok cool thanks im new to debian are they pretty simple to setup? |
| 00:33.15 | nekrataal | nekrataal@euler:~$ cat /dev/video0 |
| 00:33.15 | nekrataal | cat: /dev/video0: No such device |
| 00:33.18 | whatever | hooya: ahhhh, that makes a lot of sense. I'm just anxious to get these drives in the server since it'll be a few days before I can shut her down to fiddle with it. XD gosh, this isn't the kind of stuff you really want to toy around with and accidentally fry something. Anyways, have a great new year! |
| 00:34.01 | whatever | smiler1987: avoid any gateway product at all cost, I love HP stuff, especially since you can get A64 cpu's in them. ....its one I use right now actually. |
| 00:34.14 | nekrataal | and i did what you told me |
| 00:34.19 | whatever | smiler1987: although drivers can be a bitch..... |
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| 00:34.45 | hooya | whatever: using x86_64 kernel or regular x86? |
| 00:34.52 | smiler1987 | whatever: what model u got? |
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| 00:35.08 | whatever | hooya: using the x86_64 version of debian entirely. |
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| 00:35.41 | hooya | i tried using it, managed to oops it twice in one day. reverted back to regular x86. bummer. |
| 00:35.46 | overnout | does anybody knows how the k3b debian package is called ? |
| 00:35.52 | gravity | overnout: k3b |
| 00:35.58 | gravity | overnout: It's probably still not in testing |
| 00:36.00 | whatever | smiler1987: zv6000 series... I can't find the exact model :O |
| 00:36.12 | whatever | hooya: how long ago? |
| 00:36.23 | hooya | whatever: have a dual Xeon workstation. would have really liked to run 64bit stuff. |
| 00:36.26 | overnout | gravity: thanx xmm ill try in unstable than ;) |
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| 00:36.33 | hooya | whatever: 2 days ago. |
| 00:36.33 | whatever | smiler1987: its like ....zv6710us ...or something. >_< |
| 00:36.43 | streuner | overnout: just use cdrecord or/and cdrdao, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:36.55 | gravity | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b is kinda terrifying |
| 00:36.59 | whatever | hooya: ...really? wow, I've been using it for almost 2 solid years on my opteron system now. |
| 00:37.16 | drivamgr2006 | How do you find out what type of processor you run? I know what make it is, but how do you find out whether its 32 or 64bit processor? |
| 00:37.42 | streuner | drivamgr2006: cat /proc/info? |
| 00:37.48 | a_monkey | is "nv" short for Nvidia in the X-configeration? |
| 00:37.48 | hooya | drivamgr2006: do 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'. |
| 00:37.53 | gravity | a_monkey: Yes |
| 00:37.56 | streuner | or that :-) |
| 00:37.56 | a_monkey | thanks |
| 00:38.02 | gravity | no problem |
| 00:38.02 | Frosted | a_monkey, not if you installed nvidia's drivers |
| 00:38.10 | a_monkey | i havnt |
| 00:38.16 | hooya | drivamgr2006: look for 'lm' flag. if 'lm' exists, it's 64 bit capable, if i remember correctly. |
| 00:38.16 | gravity | Just go with nv for now |
| 00:38.30 | a_monkey | just got started trying to get KDE working |
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| 00:38.49 | drivamgr2006 | thanks guys. so if I have an lm flag on the cpuinfo, its 64 bit, if not, its bogstandard... |
| 00:38.55 | whatever | come to think of it..... that 'extension' that intel put out to support 64 bit code isn't a true 64 bit cpu, is it? |
| 00:38.58 | Eulex | gravity, yes, seems like the alpha arch has some major problems |
| 00:39.36 | whatever | I'm an AMD guy so I don't know much about what intel is doing.....or attempting to do. |
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| 00:39.45 | hooya | whatever: it oopsed when i did '/etc/init.d/hotplug stop'. :( |
| 00:39.55 | whatever | :o |
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| 00:40.05 | a_monkey | is KDE surposed to boot automaticly after i install, or do i have to set up some sort of booting-order at startup? (im a newbie) :S |
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| 00:40.09 | smiler1987 | hooya: they still make the sat pro 4100? |
| 00:40.35 | hooya | whatever: not an expert on hardware but, from what i know, EMT64 or EM64T (whatever they call it) was a reversal from their Itanium arch and really just a clone of AMD64. |
| 00:40.38 | Eulex | a_monkey, what packages did you install? |
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| 00:40.56 | a_monkey | just put in apt-get install kde and it went nuts :) |
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| 00:41.32 | drivamgr2006 | Right. done cat /proc/cpuinfo and it is coming up as a bogstandard. no lm flag listed. Its an Intel Xeon P4 2.40Ghz. Saw mention somewhere that it was 74 bit, obviously not though |
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| 00:41.58 | lunitik | a_monkey: dummy... apt-get install kde-core kactual kstuff kyou kwant |
| 00:41.59 | Eulex | a_monkey, you need an X server and a display manager too. apt-get install x-window-system kdm |
| 00:42.12 | whatever | hooya: ....the 'clone' the AMD64 architecture.....thats like, I can't see that happening, since the entire architectural layout is the nemesis of intels setup |
| 00:42.22 | lunitik | Eulex: x-window-system-core ... else you get twm and xterm :/ |
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| 00:42.32 | a_monkey | i know im a dummy lunitik, no need reminding me ;) |
| 00:42.33 | hooya | smiler1987: don't know. probably not. so if i were to find another laptop, i'd look for the newer incarnation of that line. it is designed to be a desktop replacement so don't expect long battery life. i need the power to do what i do - compile my programs. and rarely work away from the wall so it works well for me.. i work at home and at work on the same machine.. |
| 00:42.36 | TGoC | Hey, how can i make my own timezone? |
| 00:42.41 | Eulex | lunaphyte, umh, and would it be bad to get those? |
| 00:42.52 | lunitik | TGoC: tzconfig |
| 00:43.00 | TGoC | Make my own, not choose |
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| 00:43.03 | marcelc | are the bots not working? |
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| 00:43.09 | Eulex | sorry, lunaphyte -- lunitik ^^ |
| 00:43.10 | TGoC | Mine isn't in the tzconfig |
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| 00:43.14 | hooya | TGoC: start out by conquoring a small country |
| 00:43.18 | hooya | :) |
| 00:43.21 | Eulex | !test |
| 00:43.21 | dpkg | Sorry, eulex, I didn't get your test. |
| 00:43.26 | lunitik | TGoC: say "and now it is 5pm"... and change your clocks to that? |
| 00:43.28 | whatever | smiler1987: go to ecost.com they have kick ass deals on laptops. its where I got mine. |
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| 00:43.40 | Eulex | marcelc, seems they do |
| 00:43.45 | fredbear21 | hello everyone |
| 00:43.50 | TGoC | i can't change the system time lunitik |
| 00:43.51 | lunitik | Eulex: its a waste when you don't have to... |
| 00:43.58 | TGoC | If i could do that |
| 00:44.04 | marcelc | does anyone know or have any info re intellon chips for homeplug? |
| 00:44.09 | TGoC | i wouldn't be asking to make my own timezone ;) |
| 00:44.17 | whatever | its been fun guys, I'm out. ^_^ ...I should be a good host and pay attention to my guests. lol |
| 00:44.20 | marcelc | ~hello apt |
| 00:44.22 | whatever | peace |
| 00:44.24 | lunitik | Eulex: why get xterm AND konsole, twm AND kwin, xdm AND kdm ... makes no sense |
| 00:44.36 | smiler1987 | whatever and hooya: thanks unfortantly im a UK boy! |
| 00:44.37 | a_monkey | i can go to some "extra new" chatroom if my questions get too silly :) |
| 00:44.41 | Dewi | I'm about to set up a sarge machine to drive pppoe through an ADSL modem. I'd like it to NAT, DHCP, and either pass my ISPs DNS to clients or run a DNS repeater. I'd like basic firewall configurability like port forwarding and blocking, but I'm not fond of the complexity of iptables. |
| 00:44.44 | TGoC | So how do i create my own timezone on debian? I need gmt+7.5 |
| 00:44.51 | lunitik | TGoC: sure you can... man date |
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| 00:44.59 | TGoC | lunitik no i can't |
| 00:45.02 | Dewi | Would anyone have recommendations for what software would be good to run? |
| 00:45.05 | sander | hi.. I got a box on a remote place.. which is impossible to reboot |
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| 00:45.17 | TGoC | date: cannot set date: Operation not permitted |
| 00:45.21 | TGoC | @ lunitik |
| 00:45.41 | a_monkey | so, i got my X-server all configured, got my KDE and KDE-window server thingy set up, what now? |
| 00:45.51 | lunitik | TGoC: as root :/ |
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| 00:45.56 | TGoC | i am root lunitik |
| 00:45.56 | azeem | a_monkey: use it |
| 00:45.57 | TGoC | >_< |
| 00:46.10 | TGoC | lunitik believe me, it is not possible to change it |
| 00:46.12 | sander | anyone knows any tricks.. about getting boxes rebooted.. when the os is "stuck".. shutdown just hangs.. turns into an [shutdown <defunct>] process |
| 00:46.17 | TGoC | Now how do i create my own timezone ;) |
| 00:46.18 | Dewi | in other words, which iptables frontend for sarge possesses has the least quantity of suck |
| 00:46.40 | lunitik | TGoC: ok... its impossible... I refuse to argue :/ |
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| 00:46.42 | beetlepun | hi |
| 00:46.43 | Eulex | lunitik, well, they work well as emergency options if others fail. and they don't use that many k. and you do actually get a few more useful things, like xnest, if you install x-window-system |
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| 00:46.50 | Eulex | a_monkey, X window system |
| 00:47.00 | TGoC | lunitik i tried, even someone gave me this su command to make sure i'm root |
| 00:47.06 | TGoC | And then he told me, strange... |
| 00:47.36 | TGoC | So Please, is there anyone who can tell me how to make my own timezone? :) |
| 00:47.39 | lunitik | Eulex: no one cares about your opinion |
| 00:47.52 | marcelc | does anyone know or have any info re intellon x1 chips for homeplug .. a linux driver?? |
| 00:47.58 | Eulex | a_monkey, well, then you should be able to just run /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 00:48.08 | Dewi | TGoC: what is your timezone, and isn't it in the list? |
| 00:48.13 | Eulex | lunitik, then why would anyone care more about you? |
| 00:48.20 | Eulex | +rs |
| 00:48.30 | moshii | Eulex: kde isn't that bad ... maybe if you have poo hardware ;) |
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| 00:48.34 | marcelc | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.37 | lunitik | Eulex: They don't... but I'm not stating my opinion... only fact |
| 00:48.47 | TGoC | Dewi no it is not unfortunatily |
| 00:48.52 | TGoC | I need gmt+7.5 |
| 00:48.58 | sander | I need to reinstall the os on a box with raid5 software raid.. do I need to backup some files to get the raid devices working correctly again? |
| 00:49.03 | Dewi | TGoC: what place has that timezone? |
| 00:49.08 | Eulex | moshii, it's a matter of preference |
| 00:49.22 | TGoC | A place on a wrong system time wich can't be changed |
| 00:49.45 | Dewi | TGoC: changing to +7.5 won't help you then |
| 00:50.02 | Dewi | TGoC: sure maybe local time will work, but you'll break all UTC references, which are numerous |
| 00:50.22 | moshii | Eulex: yeah, I prefer to not have something that looks like it's from the 1960's |
| 00:50.27 | Dewi | TGoC: why can't you change your system time? |
| 00:50.40 | TGoC | Dewi because i have a Virtual Private Server |
| 00:50.55 | Dewi | TGoC: what's that? |
| 00:50.59 | a_monkey | Well, when i run kdm, the screen goes black for 1 second then goes back to commandwindow |
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| 00:51.06 | Eulex | a_monkey, or simply rebooting. the choice is yours. |
| 00:51.06 | TGoC | www.lycos-vds.com @ Dewi |
| 00:51.23 | phaedrus_ | hey hey hey |
| 00:51.24 | phaedrus_ | wusssup |
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| 00:51.37 | DevilChaos | hrllo |
| 00:51.39 | phaedrus_ | hey Eulex im all up and running on straight deb now |
| 00:51.40 | Dewi | TGoC: ask them to correct their time? |
| 00:51.42 | lunitik | a_monkey: check your logs and see what the errors were... likely something to do with mouse... at least thats my most frequent error |
| 00:51.43 | phaedrus_ | woohoo |
| 00:51.46 | TGoC | I did, but the problem is |
| 00:51.48 | DevilChaos | try that one again hello |
| 00:51.53 | TGoC | They have like 3 people working |
| 00:52.06 | TGoC | to control over about 200+ vps servers |
| 00:52.11 | a_monkey | well, its a laptop, so im aware there will be a few issues along the way |
| 00:52.11 | TGoC | wich takes a while before i get helped |
| 00:52.16 | Eulex | moshii, well, you don't even know what I'm running and how it looks, so I think it's a bit too early to start making assumptions on it. |
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| 00:52.21 | Eulex | phaedrus_, heh, cool |
| 00:52.25 | phaedrus_ | yeah |
| 00:52.30 | TGoC | i tried ntpdate too |
| 00:52.36 | phaedrus_ | i just used cd 1 and cd 14 |
| 00:52.39 | TGoC | but it can't set the time correctly |
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| 00:52.54 | phaedrus_ | why are the other distros like ubunutu and mepis so popular? |
| 00:52.58 | drivamgr2006 | TGoC are you having time problems??? Clock keeps going wrong? |
| 00:53.08 | Eulex | a_monkey, check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 00:53.18 | lunitik | phaedrus_: because people dislike the debian way for some things. |
| 00:53.25 | sander | how can I install debian on a box.. remote.. so when I reboot next time I get up debian? |
| 00:53.25 | TGoC | drivamgr2006 i bought it 2 days ago drivamgr2006 |
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| 00:53.36 | moshii | Eulex: wasn't saying that at all, you said it's a matter of preference and most peoples preference isn't something like windowmaker anymore, hence kde isn't all that bad |
| 00:53.37 | TGoC | So it's the first time |
| 00:53.45 | a_monkey | "not starting X display manadger (xmd): it is not the default manager" |
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| 00:53.50 | a_monkey | that can't be good.. |
| 00:53.53 | drivamgr2006 | try going here. ya may have this issue... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=342887&boring=yes |
| 00:54.04 | DevilChaos | im having trouble getting news groups for pan news reader it asks if i want to download a list but dont want to as it is too big how do i get round this? |
| 00:54.16 | moshii | a_monkey: means you probably have kdm installed .. which is good if you're running kde |
| 00:54.24 | Eulex | a_monkey, no, it's very likely exactly what you want. |
| 00:54.27 | Dewi | TGoC: well, unless I'm mistaken, the internal linux clock will be in UTC. If your hardware's time is at +7.5, and you tell the debian installer that offset, your internal UTC will be correct and so will other time displays, but by default you'll always be seeing time from the perspective of this fictional timezone. |
| 00:54.36 | drivamgr2006 | There is an issue with hwclock running too early in debian which is causing people's system time to break. Try reading that bugzilla entry, ya may have fallen victim to that. |
| 00:54.43 | Dewi | TGoC: but it would probably be better just to set your hardware clock to something sensible |
| 00:54.57 | moshii | Dewi: UTC is GMT isn't it? |
| 00:55.01 | a_monkey | well, kdm wont display, it only flashes black and then goes back to command, where is the error-log located |
| 00:55.03 | Dewi | moshii: almost |
| 00:55.09 | TGoC | Dewi i know |
| 00:55.18 | TGoC | Thu Dec 29 19:23:34 CET 2005 |
| 00:55.22 | TGoC | This is what it gives me |
| 00:55.27 | Dewi | moshii: GMT is outdated, pre-atomic time with different configuration of leap-times etc |
| 00:55.30 | TGoC | when i use my actual timezone (GMT+1) |
| 00:55.42 | TGoC | But that's off 6.5 of the real time |
| 00:55.56 | thc | a_monkey: cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep EE |
| 00:56.00 | Eulex | moshii, well, most environments can look bad if setup so. many modern environments can also look modern if setup so. A modern look is not unique to kde. |
| 00:56.05 | TGoC | But there ain't a way possible to get the time good before the time has been set correctly? |
| 00:56.10 | drivamgr2006 | a_monkey: are you using xfree86 or xorg? |
| 00:57.02 | a_monkey | xfree86 |
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| 00:57.19 | moshii | Eulex: True, nothing has that shiny feel out of the book like kde though |
| 00:57.25 | a_monkey | i dont have ATI, and the FAQ mentioned Radeon for xorg. |
| 00:57.26 | Eulex | a_monkey, /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 00:57.28 | Dewi | TGoC: what does ntpdate do? |
| 00:57.40 | a_monkey | yeah i found it, checking it out atm |
| 00:57.55 | sander | is it possible to remotely install debian, when I got another linux distro up and going? |
| 00:58.02 | TGoC | 29 Dec 19:26:17 ntpdate[32700]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 00:58.02 | TGoC | criminalsworld:~# |
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| 00:58.06 | Dez[Linux] | x |
| 00:58.14 | moshii | Eulex: look not book, sorry |
| 00:58.45 | moshii | sander: you mean install over the top of what's already there |
| 00:58.52 | Dewi | TGoC: from the lycos vds wiki: |
| 00:58.53 | Dewi | " * Why can.t I change the datetime of my VServer ? |
| 00:58.55 | Dewi | You can.t do that because that whould affect all VServers running on your machine. However you can change the timezone of your VServer, by using the tzconfig command and specifying the region and city you want to refer to. " |
| 00:59.02 | drivamgr2006 | right, do what thc suggested, the cat command, check for errors in that log, which show up as EE, then if that is showing errors, ya need to sorta show us what hardware you have, and what your xf86config-4 looks like... |
| 00:59.03 | sander | moshii: yes |
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| 00:59.16 | sander | moshii, the current installation is totally fucked up.. |
| 00:59.29 | TGoC | Dewi i did that |
| 00:59.30 | TGoC | won't work |
| 00:59.31 | moshii | sander: some of the BSD's allow you to copy and installer to swap and boot that to install over the top, there might be something for debian |
| 01:00.00 | a_monkey | hmm, how do i scroll up in this commandwindow? |
| 01:00.14 | drivamgr2006 | TGoC - cd to /var/log and try nano xfree86.0.log |
| 01:00.21 | Dewi | TGoC: if everyone is experiencing a 7 hour time offset then I'd imagine it might be fixed quite quickly |
| 01:00.33 | TGoC | empty at drivamgr2006 |
| 01:00.40 | nekostar | heh |
| 01:00.42 | Eulex | moshii, false. gnome, as of 2.12, is pretty hot with the clearlooks theme. as is xfce, with it's gtk engine. then I'll have to say that qt ain't my favorite toolkit when it comes to looks, I actually think that gtk2 looks better. |
| 01:00.52 | sander | moshii, do you know how I can get that working? |
| 01:00.59 | Dewi | TGoC: even if you spend ages working around it now, your clock will be wrong when they fix the problem |
| 01:01.01 | nekostar | lets see if i can get etch working on my 600mhz celeron 128MB ram laptop :P |
| 01:01.01 | Eulex | a_monkey, shift-pageup |
| 01:01.09 | Dewi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.13 | TGoC | dewi then i can easily set it back |
| 01:01.15 | Dewi | oops |
| 01:01.20 | drivamgr2006 | try it as nano XFree86.0.log - i think its case sensitive |
| 01:01.28 | drivamgr2006 | remember the caps |
| 01:01.29 | Eulex | nekostar, you should. may just not be fast enough to run kde or gnome, though. |
| 01:01.33 | TGoC | i tried MC |
| 01:01.39 | TGoC | and found nothing equal to that |
| 01:01.43 | nekostar | is mp3/avi support included in there Eulex ? |
| 01:01.44 | drivamgr2006 | ooer |
| 01:01.58 | nekostar | i was thinking gdm/fluxbox |
| 01:02.17 | nekostar | xine and xmms |
| 01:02.23 | nekostar | and some text editor :P |
| 01:02.30 | TGoC | So how can i get a 7.5 time offset |
| 01:02.32 | Eulex | nekrataal, sure. |
| 01:02.38 | nimak | my 400mhz laptop runs gnome perfectly |
| 01:02.39 | TGoC | anyone know a country who has 7.5 gmt offset? |
| 01:02.49 | nekostar | runs gnome eh |
| 01:02.51 | moshii | sander: If you know what you're doing, I think it would be possible for you to fudge the lilo or grub config on the machine to boot into the debian installer on an ex-swap partition instead of it's normal root |
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| 01:03.08 | nekostar | how bad does it lag nimak compared to xp on the same thing? |
| 01:03.23 | nimak | i havnt tried xp on it |
| 01:03.25 | nekostar | lol |
| 01:03.28 | nekostar | mine came with xp |
| 01:03.37 | nimak | mine came with DOS |
| 01:03.39 | Dewi | what is the iptables frontend that sucks least? |
| 01:03.40 | nekostar | i tried installing damn small linux but that had vid problems |
| 01:03.42 | a_monkey | well i dont know really what i'm looking for in this log, in the end there is "Fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 01:03.46 | sander | moshii, yep.. I would manage that.. but the hard thing is to get an debian installer with sshd |
| 01:03.56 | nekostar | i just wanna have a little music and watch some anime and/or dvd's |
| 01:03.59 | moshii | Eulex: I wouldn't say it's just the toolkit, I think the application base is there for kde, a good example is amarok ... |
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| 01:04.13 | sander | moshii, atleast.. I dunno exactly. |
| 01:04.19 | a_monkey | "(EE) No devices detected" |
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| 01:04.22 | moshii | sander: that's possible too if I remember correctly |
| 01:04.25 | nekostar | its not even got an ethernet card :P |
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| 01:04.30 | hooya | TGoC: india has 11.5 or 12.5 or some such - as far as i remember. |
| 01:04.33 | thc | a_monkey: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 01:04.37 | TGoC | i need 7.5 :p |
| 01:04.40 | TGoC | not 11.5 :P |
| 01:05.07 | sander | moshii, you know somewhere I can read about how some of this can be done? |
| 01:05.21 | moshii | sander: Have you looked at the debian-installer wiki? |
| 01:05.29 | hooya | TGoC: X.y is a hard find. X is easy. the .y is hard. there are a handful of countries that at not off by some multiple of the hour. |
| 01:05.30 | sander | nopes |
| 01:05.30 | thc | jords: is that something to brag about? |
| 01:05.49 | sander | moshii, whats the url? |
| 01:05.52 | nimak | mmm, gentoo was my first distro. needless to say, i failed miserably |
| 01:05.58 | TGoC | Got any place to look for hooya? |
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| 01:06.14 | moshii | sander: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller |
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| 01:06.28 | Eulex | moshii, I know that it is more than a toolkit. I was stating that I don't like the toolkit in qt that much. |
| 01:06.31 | Dewi | TGoC: maybe you should just set it to a country with 7 or 8 and put up with half an hour wrongness |
| 01:06.35 | jords | thc: lol, no I just enjoy seeing you debian fanatics bash anyone who does'nt use it |
| 01:06.36 | nekostar | uh oh... stalling on the kernel install |
| 01:06.39 | Dewi | TGoC: you'd have 5 or 10 minutes wrongness either way |
| 01:06.52 | TGoC | i don't mind 10 minutes |
| 01:06.59 | moshii | sander: here's another idea! |
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| 01:07.00 | TGoC | But the problem is |
| 01:07.04 | TGoC | there is bangkok |
| 01:07.05 | TGoC | wich is 7 |
| 01:07.07 | hooya | TGoC: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?sort=2 |
| 01:07.10 | TGoC | and hongkong wich is 8 |
| 01:07.11 | moshii | sander: Do you know of debootstrap or cdebootstrap? |
| 01:07.24 | nekostar | nimak, do you remember how long it took that kernel to install in that 400mhz system?? |
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| 01:07.39 | Eulex | TGoC, there doesn't seem to be any: http://www.flycapers.com/tours/voyages/images/timezones.gif |
| 01:07.54 | hooya | http://www.worldtimezone.com/ |
| 01:08.00 | Dewi | TGoC:if 20-25 minutes of wrongness on a temporary basis is too much for you, maybe you need to ask your provider to actually provide a non-broken date |
| 01:08.10 | hooya | TGoC: http://www.worldtimezone.com/ |
| 01:08.15 | sander | moshii, not much.. but i've heard about debootstrap |
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| 01:08.34 | TGoC | i know Dewi |
| 01:08.38 | TGoC | i already posted it |
| 01:08.39 | sander | moshii, to install from an tftpd server.. or something? |
| 01:08.44 | TGoC | but i'd like the time good untill then |
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| 01:09.26 | sander | moshii, tell me. how does it work |
| 01:09.33 | alkornator | hello. how do i list all the directories in / where a user have write access? |
| 01:10.05 | moshii | sander: debootstrap creates a debian system in a folder... you can use to make a system, install ssh etc in it, put it in the swap and use it as root .. then wipe the old root and copy it there ;) |
| 01:10.25 | moshii | sander: I mean directory opposed to folder |
| 01:10.40 | Eulex | TGoC, http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-asia24.php ... Bangladesh? |
| 01:10.42 | Dewi | alkornator: ls -l will show you permissions in its lists. It won't filter to a particular user's access, though. You'd probably need some combination of 'find' and 'grep' for that |
| 01:11.03 | Eulex | TGoC, sorry, I'm wrong |
| 01:11.06 | TGoC | almost Eulex :P |
| 01:11.15 | moshii | sander: and you wouldn't need to reboot, use chroot and pivot_root to switch into the new system |
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| 01:12.21 | alkornator | what directories in / should be in their own partitions? for security and easy reinstallation? |
| 01:12.32 | Eulex | TGoC, you'd need a country in between vietnam and china |
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| 01:12.41 | TGoC | Wich does not exist? :p |
| 01:12.42 | hooya | TGoC: again, most all timezones are set to some multiple of the hour. as far as i know there a handful of countries that have a +/- 30 minutes in addition to the hour multiple. Nepal is the only one with a 15/45 minute offset from the hour offset. (how's that for a bit of trivia eh?) |
| 01:13.06 | Eulex | TGoC, no, it does not |
| 01:13.13 | TGoC | hooya i always found the world stupid, but that doesn't fix my problem does it :p |
| 01:13.18 | TGoC | maybe it was best |
| 01:13.21 | hooya | Eulex: and even then, the country would choose one of the two timezones. |
| 01:13.22 | TGoC | if they had some sort of |
| 01:13.23 | TGoC | way |
| 01:13.30 | TGoC | to decide how many minutes offset you want |
| 01:13.35 | TGoC | so you could specify your own value |
| 01:13.38 | fusion | Hi, I'm having a problem with mdadm, it was upgraded when I did apt-get upgrade and now /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf is blank. I know that doing a reinstall of debian will fix this as I can use the MD devices configuration in the installer, is there a way to get to the installer from inside debian? or does someone know about this issue? |
| 01:13.44 | TGoC | instead of having to choose out of a country |
| 01:13.54 | hooya | TGoC: like i said initially, you'd need to start by conquoring a country. you thought i was joking didn't you ;) |
| 01:14.15 | Eulex | TGoC, why do you need a 7.5 offset, btw? |
| 01:14.15 | TGoC | Ok |
| 01:14.29 | TGoC | because the hardware clock is incorrect ue |
| 01:14.32 | TGoC | Eulex |
| 01:14.37 | TGoC | If they just had it off 1 more hour |
| 01:14.44 | TGoC | it wouldn't have been a problem :p |
| 01:14.58 | moshii | TGoC: can you fudge it by messing around with some of the libc stuff? |
| 01:14.59 | a_monkey | well, the kdm will still not boot... something doesn't add up here :S |
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| 01:15.05 | Eulex | TGoC, can't you change the time with date? |
| 01:15.07 | TGoC | moshii that's why i came here |
| 01:15.11 | TGoC | no Eulex |
| 01:15.15 | Eulex | a_monkey, have you checked the log? |
| 01:15.20 | Eulex | TGoC, why? |
| 01:15.24 | hooya | fusion: did you try 'dpkg-reconfigure mdadm'? |
| 01:15.29 | drivamgr2006 | iirc, he said there is no log Eulex |
| 01:15.31 | fusion | hooya: I did indeed |
| 01:15.33 | TGoC | Unauthorized and yes i'm logged in as root |
| 01:15.38 | moshii | TGoC: Isn't the clock UTC and then the difference is applied ... add a new difference :) |
| 01:15.39 | TGoC | but the date is locked |
| 01:15.45 | TGoC | how moshii :) |
| 01:15.53 | Eulex | drivamgr2006, that's strange |
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| 01:16.11 | moshii | TGoC: just looking |
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| 01:16.34 | Eulex | a_monkey, what about running startx? do you get any log in /var/log/Xfree86.0.log then? |
| 01:16.36 | moshii | TGoC: /usr/share/zoneinfo/ ? |
| 01:16.38 | drivamgr2006 | I told him to cd /var/log and do nano XFree86.0.log and it came back with nothing Eulex |
| 01:16.47 | sander | moshii, seems like a nice way.. any doc you about this.. you know about? |
| 01:16.48 | TGoC | i know that moshii there are all the zone's in |
| 01:16.53 | TGoC | but how do i make my own one? :p |
| 01:16.59 | thc | a_monkey: what happens when you type "startx" instead of trying to start kdm ? |
| 01:17.00 | a_monkey | i get the same message as before "no screens found" |
| 01:17.15 | thc | a_monkey: then you need to reconfigure X |
| 01:17.20 | thc | !tell a_monkey about drxx |
| 01:17.33 | Eulex | !no screens found |
| 01:17.33 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 01:17.42 | Eulex | a_monkey, ^^ |
| 01:17.58 | drivamgr2006 | try !dpkg reconfigure xfreeserver-xfree86 |
| 01:17.59 | Eulex | a_monkey, you probably just spelled the filename wrong |
| 01:18.11 | drivamgr2006 | sorry ignore that |
| 01:18.20 | drivamgr2006 | try !dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:18.21 | thc | dpkg already told him exactly what to do. |
| 01:18.28 | Eulex | a_monkey, do you know about tab completion? |
| 01:18.31 | drivamgr2006 | ok thc. thanks |
| 01:18.34 | a_monkey | spelled what file wrong? |
| 01:18.43 | a_monkey | yes i know about tab completion |
| 01:18.45 | moshii | sander: I haven't seen a doc about it. I doing a project with Debian as my final year project at uni so I've come to know a lot about debootstrap etc |
| 01:18.46 | a_monkey | its what i use |
| 01:18.53 | fusion | hooya: and when I do try dpkg-reconfigure mdadm, it tells me that there are no arrays found in config file.. |
| 01:19.04 | Eulex | thc, would be useful if he knew what error X threw at him at first |
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| 01:19.27 | thc | Eulex: yeah, and when i told him to cat the errors, he didn't say when they were. |
| 01:19.34 | thc | s/when/shat/g |
| 01:19.37 | thc | god dammit |
| 01:19.38 | thc | what |
| 01:19.41 | Eulex | a_monkey, so, do nano /var/log/XFree86.0.log and search for (EE) |
| 01:19.48 | thc | a_monkey: paste your log on a paster |
| 01:20.00 | Eulex | thc, yeah, that too |
| 01:20.05 | hooya | fusion: try 'dpkg --purge mdadm; apt-get install mdadm' |
| 01:20.16 | fusion | ok |
| 01:20.24 | moshii | TGoC: maybe if you look at the source package you'll be able to find out how the timezone data is built .. |
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| 01:20.51 | moshii | TGoC: Doesn't look like something I'd want to do -_^ |
| 01:20.57 | fusion | hooya: same error :( |
| 01:21.01 | Eulex | TGoC, why doesn't setting time the normal way with date work for you? |
| 01:21.17 | a_monkey | (EE) No devices detected |
| 01:21.20 | TGoC | Eulex i have a Virtual Private (GAY) Server |
| 01:21.29 | TGoC | I am connected to shell as root |
| 01:21.42 | Eulex | fushion, when and what is the exact error? |
| 01:21.45 | hooya | TGoC: i'm telling you bud, it's easier to start out by conquoring a small country and setting the timezone of that country to +/-7.5 |
| 01:21.59 | fusion | I'll pastebin it all |
| 01:22.05 | TGoC | how do i do that hooya? |
| 01:22.15 | TGoC | i tried making a GMT+7.5 but that got rejected |
| 01:22.25 | Eulex | TGoC, well, why would that prevent you from setting the time? |
| 01:22.27 | drivamgr2006 | i wonder if there is a country which is 7.5 hours ahead... |
| 01:22.42 | TGoC | date: cannot set date: Operation not permitted |
| 01:22.55 | Eulex | TGoC, ah. |
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| 01:23.13 | hooya | drivamgr2006: wonder no more: http://www.worldtimezone.com |
| 01:23.24 | drivamgr2006 | thanks hooya! |
| 01:23.29 | fusion | Eulex: http://pastebin.com/483639 |
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| 01:23.34 | Eulex | TGoC, what about calling them and telling them to set it to the correct time? |
| 01:23.43 | TGoC | they aren't phoneable |
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| 01:24.00 | Eulex | TGoC, or contacting them in any other way. |
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| 01:24.06 | TGoC | i did |
| 01:24.08 | TGoC | forum |
| 01:24.12 | TGoC | but there with 3 people |
| 01:24.17 | TGoC | maintaining 200+ vps |
| 01:24.18 | TGoC | wich sucks |
| 01:24.19 | TGoC | :p |
| 01:24.53 | TGoC | how? |
| 01:25.01 | lunitik | UTC* |
| 01:25.02 | a_monkey | Would installing a DVD-distro of Debian get me past this? or would i encounter similar problems? |
| 01:25.03 | Eulex | fusion, almost sounds like you just need to change around a bit in the config file |
| 01:25.12 | TGoC | How can i add 7.5 myself? |
| 01:25.17 | Eulex | a_monkey, same problems |
| 01:25.21 | a_monkey | meh... |
| 01:25.21 | moshii | a_monkey: all debian's install alike ;) |
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| 01:25.31 | fusion | Eulex: the config file doesnt even exist anymore.. it was removed when I did apt-get upgrade |
| 01:25.32 | nekostar | a_monkey, what is yer problem there? |
| 01:25.32 | hammerabi | the only difference between a dvd install and a netinstall is that a dvd install involves downloading 4.3GB of junk |
| 01:25.35 | moshii | a_monkey: maybe you shoud try suse |
| 01:25.36 | Eulex | a_monkey, what display driver did you select in the X config? |
| 01:25.46 | a_monkey | "nv" |
| 01:25.55 | nekostar | start with vesa |
| 01:25.56 | sander | moshii, this is what I was looking for (: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 01:25.58 | Eulex | a_monkey, and your gfx card is? |
| 01:26.06 | lunitik | TGoC: say its.. umm... 1pm UTC... just umm... use simple math to figure out its 8:30pm there |
| 01:26.10 | a_monkey | nVidia 6600 MXM 128MB |
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| 01:26.33 | Eulex | a_monkey, hmm, ok. what did it say more in the log, above that? could you pastebin it? |
| 01:26.36 | drivamgr2006 | there is one which should work with everything... vesa is what i first got an xserver up on, till i found the right driver, i810 |
| 01:26.46 | drivamgr2006 | nekostar has the right idea |
| 01:26.51 | nekostar | look |
| 01:26.55 | nekostar | in a terminal do: |
| 01:26.57 | jade | how can i undelete a file that i just deleted ? (sarge) |
| 01:26.57 | moshii | sander: that's handy |
| 01:27.02 | a_monkey | Eulex, im chating on a diffrent puter, would be a problem.. |
| 01:27.05 | nekostar | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:27.07 | TGoC | lunitik |
| 01:27.07 | TGoC | Local time is now: Thu Dec 29 18:55:19 UTC 2005. |
| 01:27.07 | TGoC | Universal Time is now: Thu Dec 29 18:55:19 UTC 2005. |
| 01:27.14 | nekostar | i guarentee ya its broke in there somewhere lol |
| 01:27.19 | TGoC | now i need to get it to time: 2:27 |
| 01:27.24 | TGoC | or 2:25 |
| 01:27.25 | gravity | nekostar: That's for ubuntu, not Debian |
| 01:27.28 | nekostar | done that a few times my own darn self |
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| 01:27.36 | nekostar | gravity, its for any distro u set sudo up on |
| 01:27.37 | Eulex | a_monkey, can you transfer it? |
| 01:27.42 | moshii | gravity: that works here ... |
| 01:27.43 | gravity | nekostar: Not sarge |
| 01:27.46 | nekostar | sarge. |
| 01:27.53 | gravity | Sarge doesn't have xorg |
| 01:27.59 | hammerabi | nekostar: sarge does not install or setup sudo by default, nor does it have x.org |
| 01:27.59 | nekostar | oops yeah |
| 01:28.03 | gravity | Nor does it have sudo by default, so most people don't have it |
| 01:28.06 | nekostar | forgot i upgraded to xorg on sarge |
| 01:28.11 | nekostar | comes in etch right,, |
| 01:28.19 | hammerabi | nekostar: yes |
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| 01:28.28 | lunitik | gravity: umm... apt-cache show sudo :/ |
| 01:28.30 | nekostar | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-XFree86 |
| 01:28.32 | nekostar | i believe |
| 01:28.38 | hammerabi | nekostar: no, xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:28.43 | nekostar | o: |
| 01:28.47 | hammerabi | nekostar: no package name in Debian has upper-case letters |
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| 01:28.53 | nekostar | hum... |
| 01:28.53 | lunitik | gravity: I use sudo on every distro :/ |
| 01:28.57 | gravity | lunitik: It's not installed by default so most people don't have it |
| 01:28.57 | fusion | Is there a way to get mdadm to find the device configuration again? or a way to get to the debian installer to do MD config without having to reinstall debian? |
| 01:28.58 | nekostar | ah just the file names... |
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| 01:29.03 | moshii | if this person is trying to use the nv driver in sarge isn't it possible the nv driver doesn't support his card? |
| 01:29.03 | a_monkey | Eulex, highly doubtfull, this is my first encounter with Debian, and Linux without a GUI, so im not sure how that would happen |
| 01:29.11 | lunitik | gravity: your statement is still false. |
| 01:29.14 | hammerabi | nekostar: no, that applies to the internal package names, too |
| 01:29.14 | Eulex | a_monkey, you could get an ftp or ssh server |
| 01:29.21 | gravity | feh |
| 01:29.27 | a_monkey | Eulex, i got both |
| 01:29.28 | gravity | nit-picking. I'm just trying to give the guy the right command. |
| 01:29.39 | fusion | like FreeBSD has /stand/sysinstall...good old freebsd |
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| 01:30.06 | nekostar | hammerabi, im pretty sure if you look in sarge the conf is XFree86.conf neh? |
| 01:30.08 | Eulex | a_monkey, copy the log to /home/ftp, then access it by ftp from the computer you're on now. |
| 01:30.21 | hammerabi | nekostar: which is unrelated to dpkg-reconfigure, yes |
| 01:30.23 | nekostar | if not i must have borxxord it when making my own version at some point |
| 01:30.25 | nekostar | yeah |
| 01:30.36 | nekostar | anyway |
| 01:30.40 | repp | a_monkey: or a web server such as apache |
| 01:30.43 | nekostar | i was totally wrong and im sowwie lol |
| 01:30.45 | nekostar | !_! |
| 01:30.45 | dpkg | from memory, _ is ALT-255 |
| 01:31.14 | a_monkey | Eulex, i dont have a server set up on the lappy, i just installed Debian on it, and im just trying to get a GUI working on it.. |
| 01:31.36 | Eulex | a_monkey, anyway, I think it |
| 01:31.54 | Eulex | a_monkey, anyway, I think the error you posted above refers to either the keyboard or mouse. |
| 01:31.57 | repp | a_monkey: sorry, I'm late in this conversation... you're having problems getting X to work? does your lappy have a net connection? |
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| 01:32.00 | thc | a_monkey: i told you what to do. reconfigure X and don't lie to debconf. |
| 01:32.20 | a_monkey | repp, yes, its connected up to the LAN |
| 01:32.27 | repp | a_monkey: care to join me in #flood? |
| 01:32.32 | hammerabi | everytime svn disables ctrl-c, god should spank a svn developer |
| 01:32.39 | Eulex | a_monkey, what mouse device and protocol? |
| 01:32.56 | moshii | a_monkey: do you know your chipset is supported by the driver you're trying to use? new laptop + sarge = maybe unsupported |
| 01:33.01 | gravity | hammerabi: Every time svn fails to allocate memory I should get to throttle an svn developer |
| 01:33.55 | hammerabi | gravity: I full support your right to choose |
| 01:34.11 | repp | a_monkey: we can work on this problem with greater accuracy if you can show me your configuration, which I can show you how to do in #flood |
| 01:34.12 | Eulex | <a_monkey> (EE) No devices detected |
| 01:34.27 | Eulex | for those who doesn't read the backlog |
| 01:34.47 | Eulex | I think that refers to his input devices |
| 01:34.50 | repp | Eulex: I want much more than that, much much more. |
| 01:35.08 | Eulex | repp, I too, but he's having trouble transferring stuff from his laptop |
| 01:35.20 | repp | Eulex: I'll help him do that, very easily. |
| 01:35.26 | Eulex | repp, ok, do so |
| 01:35.29 | moshii | maybe psmouse isn't loaded? |
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| 01:35.42 | repp | You see, you can just get an irc client to put the output of commands to an irc channel. |
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| 01:36.26 | a_monkey | moshii, i dont have PS2mouse, it's USB |
| 01:36.34 | nekostar | lets see if this install can get past the kernel this time !_! |
| 01:36.42 | Eulex | a_monkey, what mouse device did you select? |
| 01:36.49 | moshii | a_monkey: same here, psmouse is still loaded .. it's one of those things |
| 01:37.22 | moshii | actually,I have a USB trackball.. much nicer for lefties |
| 01:37.42 | a_monkey | i use the default of /dev/input/mice |
| 01:37.48 | fusion | so I assume there is no way to get back to the MD configuration of the debian installer apart from reinstalling debian? |
| 01:38.03 | moshii | a_monkey: lsmod | grep mousedev ? |
| 01:38.09 | Eulex | fusion, what configuration |
| 01:38.18 | Eulex | a_monkey, repp is waiting for you in #flood |
| 01:38.46 | fusion | for MD Devices |
| 01:38.46 | Dewi | what is the iptables frontend that sucks least? |
| 01:38.46 | hammerabi | Dewi: shorewall |
| 01:38.46 | Eulex | fusion, an MD device is...? |
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| 01:38.47 | hammerabi | fusion: oh, you wanted to rerun part of the installer? that almost certainly requires rerunning the installer, yes. |
| 01:38.47 | fusion | A multidisk device |
| 01:38.47 | fusion | RAID |
| 01:38.48 | hammerabi | software RAID |
| 01:38.52 | hammerabi | which is an important distinction |
| 01:39.14 | fusion | hammerabi, dont be sarcastic with me please, FreeBSD can manage it within itself with /stand/systinstall |
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| 01:39.27 | fusion | *sysinstall |
| 01:39.33 | hammerabi | fusion: I'm not being sarcastic, your original question was unclear to me |
| 01:39.39 | Enderos | how move all files in a directory to a subdirectory of that same directory? |
| 01:39.50 | hammerabi | Enderos: mv *(.) dir |
| 01:40.04 | hammerabi | Enderos: in zsh, anyway. I'm not sure bash will let you move only files but not dirs without using find |
| 01:40.26 | Enderos | well i need to move all directories too |
| 01:40.32 | Enderos | except the one i'm moving in :P |
| 01:40.44 | resiak | Enderos: mv * dir will warn you that it can't move dir to dir, but will work. |
| 01:40.50 | Enderos | oh |
| 01:40.51 | Enderos | lol |
| 01:40.52 | Enderos | i tried it |
| 01:40.54 | Enderos | but got warning |
| 01:40.57 | Enderos | and thought it failed |
| 01:40.57 | Enderos | :P |
| 01:41.14 | streuner | !tell Enderous about enter |
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| 01:41.19 | streuner | !tell Enderos about enter |
| 01:41.34 | streuner | Enderos: in this case just use 'mc' |
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| 01:42.42 | Enderos | thanks for the help, it's fixed |
| 01:43.07 | repp | say, any netadmins know if we can get the throttle disabled in #flood? |
| 01:43.43 | GregorR-L | I guess it sort of defeats the purpose if you have a throttle, doesn't it :P |
| 01:43.43 | hammerabi | it's not throttled |
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| 01:43.56 | hammerabi | no more than anywhere else on the network, anyway |
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| 01:47.55 | sonyman | I deleted gimp from my KDE menu, and now when I reinstall it, the icon isn't added back. How can I make it automatically add the icon? (debian etch, KDE 3.4.2) |
| 01:48.15 | hammerabi | #debian-kde may know more, if no one here does |
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| 01:48.35 | blondie | I can only think of an annoying answer |
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| 01:48.41 | sonyman | hammerabi, I'll post there. Thanks |
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| 01:52.09 | mpoer | i have a wireless [prism2] usb device... what is the first thing i need to do to get it working on a pretty bare debian system? |
| 01:52.33 | staniel | hello guys |
| 01:53.20 | mpoer | i've heard about linux-wlan-ng, and that is actually the driver that came with the device, but i could never get it working right, any tips? |
| 01:53.23 | streuner | mpoer: prism2_usb module? |
| 01:53.59 | mpoer | do i get that via apt-get? |
| 01:54.02 | staniel | just reading the debian reference guide, and section 10.4.4 Providing Domain Name Service makes reference to package which is no longer in the stable version of debian |
| 01:54.27 | streuner | there are modules in debian, yes. |
| 01:54.44 | staniel | its makes reference to dhcp-dns |
| 01:55.15 | staniel | so im just wondering, what package replaced it |
| 01:55.16 | Dewi | does samba have some problem going over 2gb? |
| 01:55.35 | Dewi | (writing a file from unix client to windows server) |
| 01:55.40 | blondie | ew |
| 01:55.55 | Dewi | blondie: I have to do backups somehow |
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| 01:56.02 | liable | Dewi: the fat32 limit? |
| 01:56.05 | blondie | I think that uses smbfs rather than samba |
| 01:56.15 | Dewi | blondie: smbfs is part of samba |
| 01:56.39 | blondie | Dewi: how are you accessing the server? |
| 01:56.49 | Dewi | blondie: smbfs over lan |
| 01:56.56 | streuner | mpoer: did you read the linux-wlan-ng docs? |
| 01:57.09 | Dewi | blondie: I'm tarring to /mnt/foo/bar.tgz |
| 01:57.17 | streuner | !info linux-wlan-ng-doc |
| 01:57.19 | Dewi | blondie: and it mysteriously stopped at 1.99gb |
| 01:57.21 | blondie | what is the FS on windows? |
| 01:57.25 | Dewi | blondie: ntfs |
| 01:57.35 | Dewi | with no error message I might add |
| 01:57.40 | dpkg | linux-wlan-ng-doc: (documentation for wlan-ng), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.2.2+dfsg-7 (sid), Packaged size: 79 kB, Installed size: 424 kB |
| 01:57.48 | Dewi | this isn't the first time tar has just silently stopped when writing to smbfs |
| 01:57.54 | Dewi | it's pretty alarming, really |
| 01:58.08 | mpoer | actually, i skimmed them i know, but i think i stopped when i realized my kernel had no usb support |
| 01:58.17 | blondie | well, samba can cope fine with > 2GB |
| 01:58.21 | mpoer | but now i'm on the 2.6.12 default kernel... that does have usb support, right? |
| 01:58.27 | blondie | but smbfs is different really |
| 01:58.34 | streuner | mpoer: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 01:59.05 | mpoer | let me reinstall the package, i'd removed it because i wanted to start over clean (i do that when i am beyond confused with something) |
| 01:59.09 | streuner | mpoer: for 2.6.12 are some addional modules avaiable |
| 01:59.19 | Dewi | blondie: it's exactly one byte short of 2gb |
| 01:59.39 | streuner | mpoer: for example, linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 01:59.51 | blondie | what kernel do you have? |
| 02:00.02 | Dewi | blondie: but I must confess, my source machine right now is not debian, it's FC3. I'm trying to copy everything off it to install sarge. |
| 02:00.33 | blondie | what kernel is it? |
| 02:00.33 | mpoer | now i know i didn't have linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.6.12-1-k7 of anything of the like... |
| 02:00.38 | DragonDav | i installed icecast-server on my debian box and did the whole makepasswd thing and i'm getting password errors. any ideas? |
| 02:00.39 | mpoer | i suppose i'll be needing it? |
| 02:00.47 | mpoer | i'm on 2.6.12-386 |
| 02:00.54 | darkcmd | I have a question.. it does not involve any problems... does anyone in here use icewm? |
| 02:00.59 | streuner | mpoer: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 02:01.37 | streuner | mpoer: of course you will need the prism2 usb module, its not in the default kernels |
| 02:01.38 | Dewi | blondie: 2.6.11-1.35_FC3 |
| 02:01.49 | drivamgr2006 | !anyone |
| 02:01.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 02:02.02 | mpoer | Linux version 2.6.12-1-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 4.0.2 20050917 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.1-8)) #1 Tue Sep 27 12:41:08 JST 2005 |
| 02:02.10 | mpoer | oh sorry... no pasting i know :( |
| 02:02.26 | streuner | mpoer: it was one line, that's ok |
| 02:02.26 | TGoC | !nobody |
| 02:02.26 | dpkg | i heard nobody is a user account commonly found on systems. It has reduced privs. Some daemons are run in this account. These days, most daemons create their own account, with reduced privs. |
| 02:02.30 | Dewi | blondie: the server is win2k3. Strange thing is, I've had a problem remarkably similar (iirc, the same) to this once before, with openbsd client and winXP as server |
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| 02:03.11 | bbrazil | Dewi: apparently smbfs doesn't support >2GB files, try cifs |
| 02:03.19 | mpoer | k, i'm using aptitude to get linux-wlan-ng, the docs, and linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.6.12-1-386 |
| 02:03.20 | mpoer | sound good? |
| 02:03.42 | streuner | try it |
| 02:04.10 | Dewi | bbrazil: really? with a silent failure? that's fairly disappointing. |
| 02:04.24 | Dewi | bbrazil: can cifs let me write to windows? |
| 02:04.38 | mpoer | should i have the device in as i install, after i install, when i run, etc or does it matter? |
| 02:04.41 | blondie | Dewi: you could try using NFS on Win2k3, but it might have the same problem |
| 02:05.06 | bbrazil | Dewi: my knowledge doesn't extend that far. my understanding is that cifs is an extension of smb. |
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| 02:05.29 | Dewi | I wonder if my version of windows even has it |
| 02:05.35 | dev\null | question: I've seen talk of running programs in a chroot "jail" to prevent them from hurting the system if they get comprimised, but what stops the program from just executing "exit" to get out of it? |
| 02:05.42 | blondie | Dewi: it's an optional component I think |
| 02:05.46 | bbrazil | Dewi: 2k3 you said? should support it |
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| 02:05.58 | drivamgr2006 | anyway, i am outtie for the night. i need my z's - its 2am here and snowing like hades in winter... night all and take care |
| 02:06.05 | blondie | er depending on what you're asking if it has? |
| 02:06.06 | blondie | :) |
| 02:06.12 | mpoer | ''night driva* |
| 02:06.26 | TGoC | I got a computer, what can i do with it? |
| 02:06.41 | mpoer | uh oh...aptitude giving error :( |
| 02:06.44 | azeem | TGoC: wrong channel |
| 02:06.49 | blondie | oh bollocks |
| 02:07.01 | TGoC | lol azeem |
| 02:07.04 | blondie | Dewi: my test failed cos I ran out of space on my windows drive :\ |
| 02:07.04 | devicenull | TGoC, well, there are various "image sites" that you can look at |
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| 02:07.11 | bbrazil | TGoC: paperweight is the safest choice |
| 02:07.14 | drivamgr2006 | by the way, I have some good news before I go. Just to let you know I got engaged today! I will be posting more details later...but when we announce the wedding, anyone here who wants to come, you are most welcome |
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| 02:07.17 | TGoC | I was just kidding :/ :p |
| 02:07.18 | Dewi | okay, cifs seems to just work identically... in a few mins I'll know if it stops at 2gb |
| 02:07.45 | streuner | mpoer: just try apt-get, iam not familar with aptitude so i can't help you then... |
| 02:08.01 | mpoer | okay i'll try apt-get install |
| 02:08.08 | azeem | TGoC: well ok, but notice that such statements can pretty easily be considered trolling |
| 02:08.21 | TGoC | Yes i know, i apologize |
| 02:09.04 | blondie | TGoC: you're very naughty! |
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| 02:09.33 | blondie | ;) |
| 02:09.33 | mpoer | hmm, apt-get said all three were already the newest version. i guess aptitude just had a problem setting it up |
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| 02:09.41 | TGoC | Ok, enough trolling around :) |
| 02:09.55 | TGoC | Who can i help today? |
| 02:09.57 | mpoer | i'm going to remove linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.6.12-1-386 and reinstall it via apt-get i |
| 02:10.13 | streuner | mpoer: nah, just use |
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| 02:10.34 | mpoer | oops... too late :p |
| 02:10.35 | streuner | mpoer: dpkg -l <package> to see if the packages are installed or not |
| 02:11.01 | mpoer | yeah, it seems to be |
| 02:11.17 | GregorR-L | Does apt-get dist-upgrade subsume apt-get upgrade? |
| 02:11.21 | mpoer | (i used ^c to kill the removal) |
| 02:11.28 | darkcmd | GregorR-L: no |
| 02:11.31 | TGoC | mpoer bad boy |
| 02:11.44 | mpoer | oh? |
| 02:11.49 | GregorR-L | darkcmd: Is one order the "right" order? |
| 02:11.49 | TGoC | Killing an removal can totally scr*w up your apt |
| 02:12.04 | darkcmd | GregorR-L: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:12.06 | mpoer | poopy |
| 02:12.16 | GregorR-L | darkcmd: Thanks |
| 02:12.25 | darkcmd | GregorR-L: no problem |
| 02:12.35 | streuner | mpoer: what kind of device you have (model)? |
| 02:12.40 | TGoC | It's like killing all apps with -9 instead of just kill |
| 02:12.59 | darkcmd | TGoC: I kill -11 stuff |
| 02:13.08 | mpoer | gigafast WF741-UIC |
| 02:13.15 | TGoC | darkcmd Why force if not needed? |
| 02:13.23 | darkcmd | TGoC: I'm kidding :D |
| 02:13.35 | darkcmd | I use -9 only when necessary |
| 02:13.38 | TGoC | Oh, i was about to lookup if there was a -11 actually |
| 02:13.52 | darkcmd | i think - any number would work |
| 02:13.57 | darkcmd | the higher the number the more force |
| 02:14.00 | darkcmd | not sure though |
| 02:14.04 | TGoC | Anyway |
| 02:14.10 | TGoC | Let's just do it kill <pid> |
| 02:14.15 | darkcmd | I do |
| 02:14.17 | darkcmd | heh |
| 02:14.21 | TGoC | Unless it crashes and then we use the -9 :) |
| 02:14.26 | blondie | I just reboot instead of killing |
| 02:14.37 | bbrazil | 'kill -l', use it, love it |
| 02:14.38 | blondie | sometimes kill -9 just doesn't work! |
| 02:14.45 | TGoC | blondie that's probably why you got that name? :p |
| 02:15.00 | blondie | TGoC: surprisingly enough, it's not :D |
| 02:15.04 | TGoC | blondie Could be although i never occured that myself :) |
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| 02:15.10 | blondie | ? |
| 02:15.36 | TGoC | I never happen to deal with something that did not repond to the -9 |
| 02:15.49 | karsten | TGoC: Try taking on zombies sometime. |
| 02:15.53 | blondie | it happens when they're waiting for I/O which will never happen |
| 02:16.02 | TGoC | lol |
| 02:16.06 | darkcmd | zombies? |
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| 02:16.12 | darkcmd | just use the shotgun |
| 02:16.23 | karsten | !tell darkcmd about zombies |
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| 02:16.34 | TGoC | !tell karsten about botabuse |
| 02:16.36 | kog | ooh, tell me about zombies |
| 02:16.45 | roo9 | is there a way to use find to find empty directories? |
| 02:16.51 | darkcmd | hah... cool |
| 02:16.59 | hammerabi | roo9: yes |
| 02:17.09 | vulture | roo9: RTFM. |
| 02:17.14 | darkcmd | TGoC: that wasn't bot abuse |
| 02:17.14 | vulture | I did and the answer seemed rather obvious to me |
| 02:17.16 | GregorR-L | hammerabi: Is there a way to us man to get information on find? :) |
| 02:17.22 | kog | oh, I thought it was about real zombies |
| 02:17.23 | GregorR-L | *use |
| 02:17.25 | vulture | just use your pager to search fo rthe word 'empty' |
| 02:17.27 | hammerabi | roo9: hint: man find, /empty |
| 02:17.34 | vulture | what hammerabi said |
| 02:17.40 | TGoC | i know darkcmd but i always wanted to to that once for a change ;) |
| 02:17.48 | TGoC | to do* |
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| 02:18.14 | darkcmd | hehe |
| 02:18.47 | streuner | mpoer: Gigafast 802.11b WE-741-UIC USB Zydas (chipset) |
| 02:18.51 | kog | TGoC: I was hoping the bot would have more interesting things to say... such as how to effective use chainsaws on zombies |
| 02:19.04 | sander | anyone have a clue what could be wrong.. the process i'm using is hanging.. when i'm eg trying to reboot.. or eg.. trying to write a partition table.. |
| 02:19.12 | TGoC | kog well, i guess you mean a different zombie then ;) |
| 02:19.19 | kog | TGoC: the type of zombie that counts... |
| 02:19.21 | sander | I dont manage to reboot.. but I manage to write the partition table.. |
| 02:19.26 | kog | TGoC: procs ain't gonna kill you when you get older |
| 02:19.26 | sander | if I log into the system again |
| 02:19.43 | TGoC | oh well |
| 02:19.48 | TGoC | I'm new to this chan |
| 02:19.57 | streuner | mpoer: that doesn't sound like a prism2-usb module then... |
| 02:19.59 | kog | TGoC: I'm just waiting for my idiot of a brother to show up ;) |
| 02:20.14 | TGoC | lol k |
| 02:20.15 | darkcmd | !moo |
| 02:20.15 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:20.20 | darkcmd | hahah |
| 02:20.21 | streuner | mpoer: but its support of linux-wlan-ng... |
| 02:20.24 | TGoC | omfg |
| 02:20.30 | GregorR-L | lol |
| 02:20.41 | GregorR-L | HAH |
| 02:20.44 | darkcmd | TGoC: try apt-get moo |
| 02:20.46 | karsten | !thursday |
| 02:20.46 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day. |
| 02:20.47 | sander | i've even tried to reinstall fdisk.. it hang when I did that too |
| 02:20.49 | TGoC | lol |
| 02:20.57 | darkcmd | isn't it great |
| 02:21.04 | TGoC | Ascii art |
| 02:21.09 | beardy | thursdays? |
| 02:21.10 | GregorR-L | !sunday |
| 02:21.11 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 02:21.15 | GregorR-L | lol |
| 02:21.46 | TGoC | Unfortunatly it has nothing do with debian and kinda looks like trolling darkcmd, maybe we should create a room to chat in without violating any rules. |
| 02:21.56 | streuner | mpoer: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz |
| 02:22.06 | darkcmd | it does have something to do with debian |
| 02:22.12 | sander | why does apt have Super Cow Powers? |
| 02:22.12 | darkcmd | the command is built in |
| 02:22.26 | vulture | sander: because |
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| 02:22.33 | GregorR-L | sander: Shouldn't /everything/ have super cow powers? |
| 02:22.38 | beardy | apt-get and it's options are of course ontopic |
| 02:22.51 | SimonRaven | !apt-get moo |
| 02:22.52 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
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| 02:23.10 | GregorR-L | !apt-get install gnaughty |
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| 02:23.20 | GregorR-L | Damn :P |
| 02:25.03 | sander | none have any clue about what could be wrong.. when a process hangs when trying to access hardware? |
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| 02:25.56 | sander | I bet the harddrive is fucked.. or something |
| 02:26.13 | sander | but too much aint working.. cant understand how it became like this |
| 02:26.16 | karsten | sander: What hardware? Try 'dmeg' or check /var/log/messages |
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| 02:26.39 | sander | karsten, end_request: I/O error, dev 22:00 (hdg), sector 6 |
| 02:27.00 | beardy | sander: fsck it? |
| 02:27.17 | sander | I got data I want to keep there |
| 02:27.31 | nanok | sander: had |
| 02:27.37 | nanok | :P |
| 02:27.44 | beardy | sander: Backup if possible, and fsck. |
| 02:27.44 | karsten | sander: That's not particularly good, particularly if coupled with a "drive seek complete error" message. |
| 02:27.46 | sander | why's that?.. dont I have it anymore? |
| 02:28.23 | sander | that happend after I used fdisk to change the partition type on my swap partition (/dev/hda2) |
| 02:28.24 | nanok | oh, it's there allright, but most probablly inaccesible |
| 02:28.25 | karsten | sander: Could be bad config on the drive. Could be a hardware failure. |
| 02:28.39 | beardy | sander: Why would you do that? |
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| 02:28.57 | nanok | sander: ah, in that case it might be just a minor glitch |
| 02:28.59 | sander | beardy, because i'm trying to use debootstrap to create an partition I can boot into |
| 02:29.19 | sander | problem is that I cant even do "shutdown" |
| 02:29.20 | karsten | sander: ... confirm all cables and cards are properly seated. If you've got smartmontools, run a short and/or long test. First thing though is to ensure you've got all data preserved that you want to keep. |
| 02:29.21 | nanok | sander: what does fdisk -l say now? |
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| 02:29.44 | karsten | sander: ... check also that you're using appropriate drivers for the disk. |
| 02:29.48 | nanok | did you swapoff before changing the partition type?.. |
| 02:29.57 | sander | nanok, yep |
| 02:30.16 | sander | nanok, the partition changed type.. to linux.. from linux swap |
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| 02:30.27 | g3brown | I'm plugging in a USB disk that isn't partitions or formatted. What is the easiest way to find it? I'm on Sarge. |
| 02:30.36 | nanok | and the errors apeared imediatly after? |
| 02:30.37 | sander | but the shell I did it with.. just hang.. had to log in again |
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| 02:30.45 | moshii | g3brown: dmesg |
| 02:30.46 | sander | nanok, yeap |
| 02:30.51 | nanok | g3brown: dmesg ;) |
| 02:31.13 | karsten | g3brown: ... or cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 02:31.19 | nanok | sander: what does fdisk -l say _now_ ? |
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| 02:31.42 | karsten | nanok: I suspect he's still having shell problems, give him a bit. |
| 02:31.55 | adamorph | Hi, does anyone know how to get the S40 scripts to execute ? |
| 02:31.57 | adamorph | I've tried './etc/rcS.d/S40networking start' unsuccessfully. |
| 02:32.04 | sander | nanok, it lists all partitions..? |
| 02:32.11 | sander | nanok, nothing wrong there.. |
| 02:32.13 | karsten | adamorph: Lose the leading '.' |
| 02:32.17 | nanok | karsten: ofc. i was not rushing him..just emphasisyng a bit :) |
| 02:32.31 | karsten | adamorph: ... that's only necessary for relative path references. |
| 02:32.40 | karsten | nanok: NP. |
| 02:32.41 | beardy | adamorph: What are you trying to do? /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 02:32.48 | g3brown | karsten: thx |
| 02:32.52 | adamorph | karsten: thnks - that was just a delimiter. |
| 02:33.01 | g3brown | thx moshii and nanok 2 |
| 02:33.04 | adamorph | beardy: yep |
| 02:33.06 | sander | karsten, nanok: every time I do shutdown or write out partition table with fdisk.. my current shell just halts.. |
| 02:33.11 | karsten | adamorph: OK. That should do it though. Note that networking generally starts only once. |
| 02:33.21 | nanok | mhh |
| 02:33.29 | moshii | sander: tried turning dma off? |
| 02:33.34 | nanok | do you have smartmontols installed |
| 02:33.35 | karsten | sander: Doesn't sound good. You might want to boot a rescue disk (installer, damn small linux, Knoppix) if you've got it. |
| 02:33.37 | nanok | ? |
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| 02:33.45 | LeeC5 | ok, on my knoppix machine. Its running a terminal client server, That allows networked machines to boot via the network, so its running a PXE server of some sort. well, the machine has no means of booting other then the Intel Boot Network thing. (Bios Network Boot). So can i change the image it boots, to like a bootable cdimage or somethnig ? |
| 02:33.51 | karsten | nanok: Note that smartmontools doesn't work with sata IIRC. |
| 02:33.52 | nanok | yup, a livecd would shed some light |
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| 02:34.04 | sander | nanok, yes.. I have smarmontools installed.. tried it.. what commands should I do? |
| 02:34.09 | karsten | LeeC5: Local boot. |
| 02:34.27 | LeeC5 | i cant |
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| 02:34.29 | nanok | sander: neah, forget it, do you have a livecd at hand? |
| 02:34.30 | adamorph | karsten: hmm .. I used 'start'. I'll have to reboot to try it .. |
| 02:34.31 | sander | moshii, how do I turn off dma?.. cant exactly remember |
| 02:34.37 | nanok | a recent knoppix would be good |
| 02:34.41 | sander | nanok, the box is in a remote place |
| 02:34.43 | moshii | hdparm -d0 /dev/hd? |
| 02:34.45 | LeeC5 | local booting is not possible, the machine has no optical drives and doesnt support USB booting. |
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| 02:34.47 | nanok | sander: hdparm -d 0 /dev/... |
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| 02:35.09 | nanok | sander: oh.. that's not funny |
| 02:35.20 | karsten | LeeC5: Eg: 'label local \nlocalboot 0' where '\n' is a newline, in your PXE config file. |
| 02:35.28 | nanok | sander: what kind of disk? sata/ide?.. |
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| 02:35.42 | karsten | LeeC5: USB connectors? USB floppy or CD would work. |
| 02:35.43 | moshii | nanok: he said /dev/hdg I think .. |
| 02:35.50 | LeeC5 | karsten, i have tried. |
| 02:35.51 | nanok | ah |
| 02:35.58 | LeeC5 | karsten, bios doesnt support USB. |
| 02:35.58 | moshii | karsten: heh usb booting is a joke |
| 02:35.59 | nanok | sata on old 2.4 kernel |
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| 02:36.17 | sander | nanok, all ide |
| 02:36.19 | karsten | LeeC5: Oh.... Um. Your PXE server is dictating what image boots then. |
| 02:36.30 | nanok | h.. many ide than, i take it |
| 02:36.32 | karsten | LeeC5: http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php |
| 02:36.32 | moshii | nanok: true |
| 02:36.41 | g3brown | karsten: I tried a 2nd drive (the one I'm having troubles with) and I get nothing with cat /proc/scsi/scsi. dmesg shows scsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 02:36.46 | nanok | :) |
| 02:36.48 | LeeC5 | i have PXELinux |
| 02:36.54 | karsten | LeeC5: ... for configuration. |
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| 02:37.10 | LeeC5 | :) |
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| 02:37.20 | nanok | sander: just a sec, i dont remeber smartctl commands by heart ;) |
| 02:37.46 | karsten | g3brown: Do you have USB support loaded? 'lsmod | grep usb' should show, eg: 'usbcore'. Probably want usb-storage as well. |
| 02:37.55 | limpio | this is what i got in ~/.bash_profile: alias startx='startx -- -dpi 90' |
| 02:37.55 | limpio | EDITOR=nano |
| 02:37.55 | limpio | export EDITOR |
| 02:37.57 | seq | how do I search for a pkg which lines (including description) in apt only include "foo" |
| 02:38.00 | nanok | sander: try smartctl -a /dev/.. for starters |
| 02:38.00 | sander | nanok, ok.. I tried smartctl -e /dev/hda to enable it |
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| 02:38.07 | sander | nanok, yeap.. tried that too |
| 02:38.09 | limpio | but vim comes out when i do visudo |
| 02:38.21 | nanok | sander: does it print suithing output? |
| 02:38.33 | g3brown | karsten: yes I have usb support loaded. I have a 80gb usb2 that works. I found it now. It is /proc/scsi/usb-storage/6 (usb to serial ata bridge) |
| 02:38.59 | nanok | sander: -t short?.. |
| 02:39.11 | karsten | g3brown: Yeah, that sh*t keeps moving around. |
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| 02:39.34 | g3brown | karsten: says it is using SCSI -- Protocol: Transparent SCSI. I'm not sure what to fdisk though. Can I fdisk the /6 ? |
| 02:39.35 | LeeC5 | i cant find my pxelinux dir |
| 02:39.48 | LeeC5 | where does Knoppix put it ? |
| 02:39.48 | sander | nanok, yep.. it prints out stuff.. no errors as I can see |
| 02:39.50 | nanok | karsten: ilussive sheite.., that |
| 02:39.52 | nanok | :) |
| 02:40.04 | karsten | g3brown: Try cat /proc/partitions |
| 02:40.04 | nanok | sander: and -t short? |
| 02:40.18 | sander | nanok, then I get "S.M.A.R.T. Automatic Offline Testing Enabled every four hours" |
| 02:40.25 | karsten | g3brown: ... or just shoot for the moon and try 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' if you don't have any other SCSI devices. |
| 02:40.54 | sander | this install is VERY old.. |
| 02:41.00 | LeeC5 | ahhh |
| 02:41.07 | nanok | sander: do the aforementioned errors include dma errors? |
| 02:41.17 | g3brown | karsten: It's not under cat /proc/partitions. I have sda and sdb already. (spent today copying data to them too) |
| 02:41.31 | karsten | sander: You want to see if your disk supports smart. IIRC 'smartctl -c <device>' |
| 02:41.40 | sander | nanok, in what logs?.. syslog or smartctl? |
| 02:41.47 | nanok | dmesg :) |
| 02:41.48 | sander | karsten, yeap.. they does |
| 02:41.49 | karsten | g3brown: Then it should be sdd or later. |
| 02:42.05 | nanok | that kind of error will show up pretty much everywhere ;) |
| 02:42.13 | darkcmd | which apt man page has this version of apt has super cow powers |
| 02:42.21 | karsten | sander: Good news. Short test will confirm a bad drive but not positively show a healthy one. Takes a few minutes. |
| 02:42.22 | nanok | sander: have you tryed disabling dma yet? |
| 02:42.39 | sander | blk: queue c0177428, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) (newline) hda: DMA disabled |
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| 02:42.50 | karsten | sander: ... the long test will confirm good/bad status with pretty good accuracy (95% or better confidence) but takes a half hour or so if all's well. |
| 02:42.51 | sander | nanok, yep |
| 02:42.54 | g3brown | karsten: It should already be under /dev before fdisk'ing, right? I dont' see anything besides my sdaX and sdbX. |
| 02:42.57 | resiak | darkcmd: `apt-get` |
| 02:42.58 | karsten | sander: ... much longer in some cases for a bad drive. |
| 02:43.00 | moshii | I had a load of problems with 2.6.14, drives would puke out all the time ... |
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| 02:43.02 | sander | nanok, when I disabled dma.. I got an msg in dmesg |
| 02:43.12 | nanok | sander: ... |
| 02:43.17 | karsten | g3brown: 'fdisk -l ' won't hurt anything if it's there or not, just lists partitions. |
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| 02:43.26 | karsten | g3brown: Should throw an error if there's no device. |
| 02:43.27 | streuner | mpoer: still alive? |
| 02:43.47 | mbirkis | how can i get my keyboard map's correct?? i have tryed the dpkg-reconfigure console thingy... but no luck |
| 02:43.56 | g3brown | karsten: that shows sda and sdb and partitions. |
| 02:44.09 | nanok | karsten: in that case, some good old fashioned "i think it's to the trash" accuracy should do ;) |
| 02:44.11 | karsten | g3brown: SOL. |
| 02:44.22 | sander | nanok, when I disabled dma.. I got the msg: blk: queue c0177428, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) (newline) hda: DMA disabled |
| 02:44.28 | g3brown | karsten: that seems to be a theme lately. |
| 02:44.39 | nanok | sander: mhh |
| 02:44.39 | karsten | nanok: ... or RMA if you're within warranty. My policy is "once suspected, never trusted" for HDs. |
| 02:44.40 | nanok | ok |
| 02:44.45 | sander | karsten, I got like 8 diffrent drives in this box |
| 02:44.49 | karsten | g3brown: Could be worse. |
| 02:44.50 | nanok | karsten: agreed |
| 02:44.53 | karsten | g3brown: ... could be my box ;-) |
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| 02:45.22 | darkcmd | karsten: I think the same way... once I heard a wierd noise coming out of my hd... I thought it was going to die soon |
| 02:45.29 | darkcmd | and 2 months later |
| 02:45.30 | darkcmd | it did |
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| 02:45.36 | g3brown | karsten: I see it under /proc/scsi/usb-storage/6. That is meaningless? |
| 02:45.36 | darkcmd | luckily I backed up |
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| 02:45.43 | nanok | karsten: however, i have got so many drives repaired using software (like dd and stuff ;) ) , that i realised i should use a really big magnet if a really want a new drive back ;) |
| 02:45.56 | LeeC5 | i have found tftpboot, but i cant see the Image ? |
| 02:46.02 | moshii | my sun's drive always makes bad noises .. it's been going 10 years |
| 02:46.15 | sander | nanok, i've seen many fucked up boxes.. but never one that fucked like this.. (which I havent manage to fix) |
| 02:46.15 | nanok | sander: ok, we should run that test |
| 02:46.16 | karsten | darkcmd: Just for shins and grits I watched a really old (IBM ThinkPad 486) laptop go from periodic errors (1-2x day, 1-2x hour, 1-2x minute...) over the course of six weeks until it finally locked hard. |
| 02:46.20 | darkcmd | moshii: what sun machine do you have? |
| 02:46.37 | sander | nanok, which test?.. the smartctl test? |
| 02:46.42 | nanok | sander: ohh, you seem to have a lot to see yet, young warryor |
| 02:46.43 | nanok | :) |
| 02:46.48 | nanok | sander: yes |
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| 02:47.26 | nanok | sander: so it should be -t short /dev/hdg |
| 02:47.32 | nanok | or whatever that drive is |
| 02:48.28 | nanok | karsten: thinkpads rock nevertheless ;) |
| 02:49.07 | sander | nanok, I did: smartctl -S /dev/hda |
| 02:49.26 | sander | nanok, Please wait 2 minutes for test to complete |
| 02:49.44 | sander | nanok, should I test all hd's?.. or just system disc? |
| 02:50.13 | nanok | sander: test the one with the problem for now |
| 02:50.32 | sander | I dont got any special disc with any problems |
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| 02:51.41 | sander | hum.. i've got this msg for all hd's: end_request: I/O error, dev 58:00 (hda), sector 0 |
| 02:51.56 | nanok | hda is just one of them |
| 02:51.58 | sander | hda: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } <-- only for hda |
| 02:52.01 | nanok | that is one disk |
| 02:52.18 | nanok | ok |
| 02:52.22 | sander | but thats possibly since I changed the partition type on the disc |
| 02:52.40 | nanok | use -l selftest /dev/hda now |
| 02:52.42 | moshii | darkcmd: SS20, just trying to find out when this thing was made, might be older than me |
| 02:52.47 | nanok | the test should be ready |
| 02:53.02 | darkcmd | moshii: I have an Ultra 2 |
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| 02:53.16 | g3brown | Any one else help me fdisk my usb device? If I cat /proc/scsi/usb-storage/6 I can see my ext usb to serial ata hard drive. I'm not sure how to fdisk it though. I can't find it anywhere else I know to look like /dev/sdc or /dev/sdd. I have sda and sdb already. |
| 02:53.21 | sander | nanok, I belive I got an old version of smartctl |
| 02:53.33 | sander | nanok, smartctl version 2.1 - S.M.A.R.T. Control Program |
| 02:53.42 | hammerabi | g3brown: then it's not being detected as a usb mass storage device |
| 02:53.45 | moshii | darkcmd: you should try compiling something on a 32bit sun, days of fun |
| 02:53.56 | sander | nanok, i'll install a newer one |
| 02:53.57 | GregorR-L | Days |
| 02:53.59 | GregorR-L | And days and days |
| 02:54.02 | GregorR-L | And days and days and days |
| 02:54.05 | GregorR-L | Of fun! |
| 02:54.14 | nanok | sander: use man, search for test , results |
| 02:54.15 | g3brown | hammerabi: that mean I can't use it? |
| 02:54.28 | hammerabi | g3brown: is it a usb mass storage device? |
| 02:54.33 | g3brown | hammerabi: yep |
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| 02:54.40 | hammerabi | g3brown: then find out why |
| 02:54.40 | nanok | sander: use what you have for now, don't put any more strain on that f^%$%^ disk |
| 02:54.42 | moshii | GregorR-L: it's a good thing they'll stay up for hundreds of days |
| 02:54.57 | hammerabi | g3brown: hints: use a debian kernel, tail -f /var/log/syslog, dmesg |
| 02:55.09 | GregorR-L | moshii: Yup :) |
| 02:55.18 | nanok | sander: how old is that damn machine? potato?.. |
| 02:55.28 | GregorR-L | At my job they had a ton of SPARC64s running 32-bit Solaris >_< |
| 02:55.52 | g3brown | hammerabi: usb 3-1: new high speed USB device using address 7. scsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 02:56.04 | g3brown | hammerabi: that is from my dmesg |
| 02:56.09 | hammerabi | g3brown: not enough |
| 02:56.11 | rajulocal | In texmacs, while editing table entries, I want to insert a line break in one of the cell entries. How can I insert line break inside the cell? If I press simply enter then it is creating new row. Any ideas? |
| 02:56.19 | gb | nanok: dont knockpotato, I still have a machiune here with it on |
| 02:56.19 | moshii | GregorR-L: netbsd is the way to go for 32bit suns, recompile ssh and you can login more than once a day |
| 02:56.22 | hammerabi | g3brown: uname -r |
| 02:56.41 | g3brown | hammerabi: Sarge 2.6.8-2 |
| 02:56.56 | nanok | gb: with it, not updated?.. |
| 02:57.00 | GregorR-L | moshii: I wish it was my choice |
| 02:57.04 | sander | nanok, I guess 5 years old.. |
| 02:57.07 | g3brown | hammerabi: I have another usb device that works fine. Just this one. |
| 02:57.15 | nanok | oh well, i wont go against some ppls adrenalin needs.. |
| 02:57.18 | sander | nanok, but its not debian.. what i'm trying.. is to install debian on it |
| 02:57.20 | gb | nanok: why fix something that aint broke? |
| 02:57.20 | hammerabi | g3brown: also machine details, also syslog excerpts in #flood |
| 02:57.39 | nanok | sander: aah, ok, you said aomething about debootstrap.. |
| 02:58.02 | sander | nanok, its fucking redhat 6.2;P |
| 02:58.09 | nanok | gb: so as not to get bored.. |
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| 02:58.10 | nanok | :P |
| 02:58.12 | sander | nanok, with an custom compiled kernel |
| 02:58.16 | mpoer | bah at wireless |
| 02:58.20 | nanok | sander: nice |
| 02:58.29 | mpoer | i want a step-by-step tutorial |
| 02:58.39 | gb | nanok: plenty of other machines running sid too relieve the boredom :) |
| 02:58.40 | nanok | sander: try a slackware with a _very_ custom kernel |
| 02:59.01 | nanok | well, i restrain from further comments about what i just said.. :) |
| 02:59.26 | GregorR-L | lol, here's a fun challenge (and by fun ... wll, you know): Install Debian, then install rpm and urpmi, and "upgrade" it into Mandriva XD |
| 02:59.30 | nanok | gb: i see. one must have some refuge, some peace and quiet, an oasis.. |
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| 02:59.52 | nanok | :) |
| 02:59.57 | gb | nanok: yes before I grew lazy enough too run debian I used too use slackware with my own kernels pre glibc |
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| 03:00.18 | TGoC | C88 ? |
| 03:00.37 | nanok | gb: did you have the interesting habit of using kernels with no modules (monolithic) |
| 03:00.47 | hammerabi | TGoC: no, libc5 |
| 03:00.51 | sander | nanok, okay.. now its 1.5 hours left to the test is done |
| 03:00.53 | nanok | and with no support for modules, you know, just to be on the safe side.. |
| 03:00.54 | nanok | ? |
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| 03:01.05 | TGoC | oh |
| 03:01.06 | nanok | 1.5 hours?!! |
| 03:01.10 | TGoC | I heard about C98 |
| 03:01.17 | mpoer | anyone a wireless expert? |
| 03:01.17 | nanok | sander: you did say short... |
| 03:01.21 | TGoC | Oh well |
| 03:01.26 | gb | nanok: the boxrunningpotato barely has enough room too operate onlet alone install extra packages/do updates so thats how it's stayed for quite a few years now,functions just fine as it is |
| 03:01.27 | g3brown | hammerabi: nothing really in the syslog that I can tell. I can restart the system and try from start |
| 03:01.44 | hammerabi | g3brown: no, just unplug and replug and paste it all |
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| 03:01.54 | nanok | gb: yeah, i figured. i was just teasing ;) |
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| 03:02.02 | g3brown | hammerabi: yeah, I get nothing |
| 03:02.04 | gb | nanok: uhuh |
| 03:02.07 | darkcmd | do you guys remember when debian didn't have apt |
| 03:02.15 | sander | nanok, sorry.. I turned on the short now:P |
| 03:02.15 | hammerabi | TGoC: you mean C99? |
| 03:02.24 | TGoC | C98 |
| 03:02.26 | gb | nanok: I had too justify too myself too why I was so lazy :) |
| 03:02.31 | nanok | sander: you naughty naughty boy.. |
| 03:02.32 | hammerabi | g3brown: kern.log then |
| 03:02.32 | nanok | :P |
| 03:02.37 | TGoC | anyway |
| 03:02.39 | TGoC | doesn't matter |
| 03:02.47 | hammerabi | TGoC: the last update of the C language was in 99, afaik |
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| 03:03.04 | TGoC | I'm not talking about C language but nevermind ;) |
| 03:03.09 | nanok | darkcmd: sir, oldtimer sir |
| 03:03.10 | nanok | :P |
| 03:03.17 | darkcmd | nanok :D |
| 03:03.25 | darkcmd | it had dpkg though |
| 03:03.26 | darkcmd | right |
| 03:04.08 | nanok | darkcmd: yes, dpkg was brilliant in itself. apt seems to just have been a useful enhancement |
| 03:04.22 | sander | nanok, firts I got: Self-test routine in progess 10% of test remaining |
| 03:04.32 | nanok | but the dependency handling and all the good stuff was there in the firstplace, ..right? |
| 03:04.45 | sander | nanok, then I got: The previous self-test routine completed without error or no self-test has ever been run |
| 03:04.47 | g3brown | hammerabi: nothing in kern.log either. |
| 03:05.00 | hammerabi | nanok: depends on what you mean by handling. dpkg encodes all the information apt uses, but dpkg is not capable of installing extra packages to satisfy dependencies. |
| 03:05.08 | sander | nanok, belives the short test didnt gave any errors |
| 03:05.19 | darkcmd | hammerabi: apt is just a front end for dpkg |
| 03:05.19 | hammerabi | darkcmd: dselect was the frontend of choice before apt-based frontends existed |
| 03:05.29 | hammerabi | darkcmd: yes, I know |
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| 03:05.51 | nanok | hammerabi: indeed, but it does have all that is needed for that, built in. |
| 03:06.47 | hammerabi | dpkg is capable of finding out all the required metainformation, yes |
| 03:06.47 | nanok | unlike rpm, yum and others have to parse headers from rpm packages and compute dependencies on the fly or almost, as i've heard.. and try doing that on a machine that wasnt built last year.. |
| 03:07.00 | TGoC | dpkg where can i find C98? |
| 03:07.13 | nanok | sander: mh.. apearently |
| 03:07.16 | hammerabi | nanok: dpkg has to parse those things at runtime, too |
| 03:07.24 | TGoC | !tell about C98 |
| 03:07.36 | TGoC | Then don't >_> |
| 03:07.38 | hammerabi | nanok: I believe at least yum uses index files ala Packages.gz on the server, too |
| 03:07.46 | nanok | hammerabi: yes, ofc, wrong choice of words from me |
| 03:08.04 | darkcmd | nanok: i still use dselect some times |
| 03:08.05 | nanok | hammerabi: mhh, i dont know, to be honest |
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| 03:08.57 | nanok | hammerabi: the point is that, for instance, i think yum has to figure out deps itself, it does not read them from the rpm packages you request .. |
| 03:09.06 | sander | nanok, any more idea's what could be wrong? |
| 03:09.07 | xiaogil | what's wrong in apache2 so that firefox tries to download php scripts ? |
| 03:09.25 | nanok | sander: i do have some, the problem is what to do.. :/ |
| 03:09.37 | sander | nanok, uptime gives: 04:09:23 up 19 days, 14:20, 1 user, load average: 118.64, 118.50, 118.09 |
| 03:09.51 | nanok | xiaogil: config. you havent enabled php |
| 03:09.56 | postel | xiaogil: you either dont have the module installed or you have no handler |
| 03:10.00 | sander | 118.. dont understand how it can be that hight... like.. over 1 means overloaded.. and its 118!!:P |
| 03:10.02 | hammerabi | xiaogil: read your /var/log/apache2/error.log |
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| 03:10.05 | nanok | aham |
| 03:10.12 | nanok | that load is from i/o |
| 03:10.18 | hammerabi | nanok: apt does not read deps from .deb files, either |
| 03:10.31 | hammerabi | xiaogil: is the php module loaded? |
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| 03:10.43 | nanok | hammerabi: no? hm.. i had the impression it did.. |
| 03:10.48 | sander | nanok, and.. its possible to kill most processes.. |
| 03:10.52 | xiaogil | hammerabi: how to know that ? |
| 03:11.01 | nanok | well, silly me, anyway, it apears to do it much faster, anyway |
| 03:11.01 | moshii | hammerabi: how do deps works with packages creadted by hand then? |
| 03:11.07 | hammerabi | xiaogil: read the file... |
| 03:11.09 | nanok | :) |
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| 03:11.32 | hammerabi | nanok: apt reads the Packages file, which is created on the server side with apt-ftparchive/dpkg-scanpackages |
| 03:11.43 | xiaogil | hammerabi: what file, where ? |
| 03:11.49 | sander | nanok, what diffrent things can be wrong? |
| 03:11.55 | nanok | sander: how big is that hdd, is there any space on that machine to "fit" that hdd in? |
| 03:11.56 | xiaogil | /var/log/apache2/error.log ? |
| 03:12.02 | hammerabi | 14:09 < hammerabi> xiaogil: read your /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 03:12.08 | moshii | hammerabi: deps are built in packages, sometimes there is no packages file ;) |
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| 03:12.25 | FarrisG | does anyone know why vino-server eats up so much cpu? |
| 03:12.31 | hammerabi | moshii: apt can only install packages it can see in Packages files |
| 03:12.59 | sander | nanok, why's that?.. its 40gb.. but all other hd's is in use.. |
| 03:13.09 | moshii | hammerabi: for example; I fixed and built packages of the oswan wonderswan emu today .. apt/dpkg knows that it needs SDL etc .. and there's nothing but the deb telling it that |
| 03:13.11 | xiaogil | hammerabi: the last line says : [Fri Dec 30 04:07:51 2005] [notice] Apache/2.0.54 (Ubuntu) PHP/4.4.0-3ubuntu1 configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 03:13.27 | nanok | sander: mhh, ok |
| 03:13.30 | g3brown | hammerabi: rebooting fixed it. It shows up as sdc. Must have been a previous device screwing it up. |
| 03:13.40 | nanok | sander: what does that machine do? right now i mean |
| 03:13.43 | nanok | tasks |
| 03:13.51 | DragonDav | anyone know of a video streaming server? |
| 03:13.53 | sander | a file server |
| 03:14.00 | hammerabi | moshii: yes, the information in Packages is extracted from the .deb files |
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| 03:14.04 | TGoC | Anyone know what my bedtime is? |
| 03:14.08 | hammerabi | xiaogil: uh, go away |
| 03:14.12 | DragonDav | like use VLC on windows to stream to a linux server? |
| 03:14.13 | hammerabi | TGoC: an hour ago |
| 03:14.17 | hammerabi | xiaogil: #ubuntu |
| 03:14.23 | nanok | sander: also, you did say you rebooted, or am i under the wrong impresion? howcome a 19 days uptime then?.. |
| 03:14.32 | TGoC | Correct hammerabi, gives hammerabi the first price and leaves |
| 03:14.34 | TGoC | see ya |
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| 03:14.40 | moshii | DragonDav: VLC on linux? |
| 03:14.49 | sander | nanok, yes.. i've tried to reboot.. but whenever I try.. it just hangs.. and it dosnt reboot |
| 03:15.02 | nanok | thats weird.. |
| 03:15.12 | DragonDav | moshii: can vlc do it? |
| 03:15.12 | g3brown | Is reiserfs an option on a Sarge install. I've never seent it on an already installed system but I saw it the other day when I was manual partitioning drives on a fresh install. |
| 03:15.16 | DragonDav | useing http? |
| 03:15.20 | hammerabi | g3brown: yes |
| 03:15.44 | nanok | sander: try using fdisk to change the partition type again |
| 03:15.52 | moshii | DragonDav: "VLC" does have a server part, which I forget the name of, try VLC.org |
| 03:16.01 | sander | nanok, ok.. done it several times lately.. what should I look for? |
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| 03:16.08 | Harley^ | I have installed Debian Sarge for AMD64 and I note that the nvidia driver from nvidia.com will not work. Since I will have to recompile a new nvidia driver would updating the kernel-source to a newer version work or do I have to use the 2.6.8 kernel source or are there Debian patches that have to be made ? |
| 03:16.11 | nanok | sander: normally, it should need a reboot for the kernel to see the changes you have made |
| 03:16.18 | DragonDav | moshii: the vls (server) nly does udp... |
| 03:16.36 | hammerabi | Harley^: don't bother, sudo apt-get install build-essential kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 03:16.38 | sander | nanok, it dosnt need any reboot for the kernel to see the changes.. |
| 03:16.39 | nanok | sander: nothing. just make sure it is as it was before |
| 03:16.47 | moshii | DragonDav: ah, I don't know if streaming video over Http would be a good idea anyhow |
| 03:16.48 | nanok | sander: are you certain? |
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| 03:17.18 | DragonDav | moshii: how could i connect and watch a video then? |
| 03:17.19 | sander | nanok, well.. atleast now.. I manage to change the type.. and then.. I see the changes in the partition table.. |
| 03:17.28 | sander | nanok, but I havent tried to mount the partition |
| 03:17.40 | nanok | sander: you mean you managed to chane it back |
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| 03:18.04 | nanok | ? |
| 03:18.05 | g3brown | hammerabi: Would I have to install something else, because I don't see it as an option with mkfs. Also is that widely used now, or are people just sticking with ext3. |
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| 03:18.17 | moshii | DragonDav: hmm if you use wxvlc you should be able to open the stream from the nice menus |
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| 03:18.42 | hammerabi | g3brown: if you want it on an installed system, install reiserfsprogs or progsreiserfs or whatever it is called |
| 03:18.47 | nanok | g3brown: reiserfsprogs, i think it is called |
| 03:18.49 | Harley^ | hammerabi, What would I do after I run that command ? |
| 03:19.01 | hammerabi | g3brown: ext3 is probably far more common, and the default on more distributions; I certainly trust it more than reiser |
| 03:19.01 | nanok | g3brown: and, ofc, suitable kernel-space support |
| 03:19.05 | Harley^ | Try to recompile the nvidia drivers again ? |
| 03:19.11 | hammerabi | Harley^: yes |
| 03:19.18 | darkcmd | nanok: dselect is still included in debian at current time right? |
| 03:19.20 | DragonDav | moshii: ok i want a server that i can stream video to and have other people connect to it to watch the video. |
| 03:19.25 | hammerabi | what is "ofc" a contraction of? |
| 03:19.26 | sander | nanok, yep.. I managed to change it back too |
| 03:19.28 | hammerabi | darkcmd: yes |
| 03:19.40 | hammerabi | darkcmd: it was only recently split out of the dpkg package |
| 03:19.48 | darkcmd | hammerabi: huh? |
| 03:19.53 | sander | nanok, now I actually manage to change it to an linux partition again.. and mount it |
| 03:20.10 | moshii | DragonDav: http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/streaming-howto-en.html |
| 03:20.18 | nanok | darkcmd: but aptitude is the "recomended" tool now, in sarge...and for good reason i should add, i for one like it |
| 03:20.37 | Harley^ | hammerabi, The build failed. The version of gcc is 3.3. and the drivers for the kernel were built with gcc 3.4 |
| 03:20.48 | nanok | sander: do the errors keep on going? |
| 03:20.55 | moshii | nanok: the problem with aptitude is .. you can do really stupid things |
| 03:21.10 | moshii | nanok: like hit + on everything that isn't installed heh |
| 03:21.12 | hammerabi | darkcmd: ? for 10 years dselect was in the package 'dpkg' |
| 03:21.17 | hammerabi | Harley^: haha nvidia |
| 03:21.23 | nanok | moshii: yes.. but you can do them so fast and so confortably, though! |
| 03:21.24 | nanok | :) |
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| 03:21.31 | hammerabi | Harley^: you'll need to read the nvidia documentation to learn how to make it ignore that |
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| 03:21.52 | moshii | nanok: download size : 20 gig; oh fuckt! |
| 03:21.59 | Harley^ | good grief |
| 03:22.08 | darkcmd | ah so back in the day when you installed dpkg you got dselect too? |
| 03:22.12 | sander | nanok, actually.. I see now that only errors for hdg and hdm comes |
| 03:22.18 | nanok | moshii: try apt-get install \. |
| 03:22.22 | nanok | i think.. |
| 03:22.25 | sander | nanok, but yes.. they keep coming |
| 03:22.25 | nanok | moshii: ;) |
| 03:22.55 | hammerabi | darkcmd: yes, up until dpkg 1.10 |
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| 03:23.12 | nanok | sander: i'll have a smoke, brb. maybe i come back with some bright ideea to |
| 03:23.15 | hammerabi | Harley^: or force it to compile with the same version of gcc as the kernel was compiled with |
| 03:23.24 | sander | nanok, damn.. seems like I cant see those two hd's in fdisk -l |
| 03:23.24 | nanok | (or maybe not, but i definetly need the nicotine, ) |
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| 03:23.34 | sander | nanok, ok.. goodie:) |
| 03:23.36 | GregorR-L | Hahah, smoking bringing about bright ideas, that's a hilarious though >_< |
| 03:23.43 | moshii | aptitude also likes to remove lots of important things to install something really crap, at least it removes crap you no longer need |
| 03:23.44 | sander | hehe:) |
| 03:23.55 | Harley^ | hammerabi, How would I do that ? |
| 03:24.04 | nanok | GregorR-L: you..you non-smoker you... |
| 03:24.09 | nanok | :P |
| 03:24.14 | GregorR-L | Damn right, damn proud |
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| 03:24.21 | hammerabi | Harley^: by reading the nvidia documentation |
| 03:24.27 | nanok | GregorR-L: you are a disgrace ! |
| 03:24.27 | hammerabi | Harley^: perhaps #nvidia will be able to help you |
| 03:24.29 | nanok | :P |
| 03:24.32 | nanok | brb |
| 03:24.32 | GregorR-L | lol |
| 03:24.34 | darkcmd | nanok: I caught the habit too :( |
| 03:24.41 | hammerabi | Harley^: or #debian-amd64 |
| 03:24.49 | moshii | GregorR-L: depends what you smoke, sometime you get a lot of ideas .. most of them end up with walking, and sometimes a shopping trolly |
| 03:25.06 | hammerabi | Carl Sagan and Richard Feynman used to say smoking gave them good ideas |
| 03:25.15 | hammerabi | I don't beleive it involved nicotine, though. |
| 03:25.21 | darkcmd | hammerabi: you think when you smoke |
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| 03:25.32 | glueoz | howdy all |
| 03:25.32 | darkcmd | and a new study did say that nicotine helps thinking |
| 03:25.35 | darkcmd | it was proven |
| 03:25.43 | darkcmd | thoug nicotine is bad for your body |
| 03:25.46 | nanok | nicotine and coca-cola.. sysadmins food |
| 03:25.46 | glueoz | anyone here run game servers on debian ? |
| 03:25.47 | darkcmd | but helps thinking |
| 03:25.57 | hammerabi | glueoz: way simpler if you just ask your question |
| 03:25.58 | darkcmd | glueoz: i do.. for a game called cube |
| 03:26.06 | aubergine | glueoz: yes |
| 03:26.09 | moshii | darkcmd: and then brings an end to all your thinking |
| 03:26.09 | glueoz | ok well |
| 03:26.15 | glueoz | i run a few CS 1.6 servers |
| 03:26.16 | hammerabi | I was astounded to find that 2 cans of soft drink a day is average for kids in the US |
| 03:26.24 | glueoz | on 64bit generic debian install |
| 03:26.24 | hammerabi | I can't imagine drinking that much even as an adult |
| 03:26.35 | glueoz | i've a dual cored dual opteron 265 |
| 03:26.42 | hammerabi | glueoz: try to put your whole question on one line, instead of split over 5 000 little lines |
| 03:26.42 | glueoz | 20 players on my server is using 30% CPU |
| 03:26.44 | decoy5657 | that's a lot of soda. |
| 03:26.46 | glueoz | this is way to much |
| 03:26.49 | darkcmd | I drink about 4 litres of soda a day :( |
| 03:26.53 | glueoz | how can i lower this CPU consumption |
| 03:26.57 | glueoz | ? |
| 03:27.03 | decoy5657 | i drink 2 protein shakes a day. |
| 03:27.11 | decoy5657 | glueoz, get a faster cpu :) |
| 03:27.15 | hammerabi | glueoz: talk to whoever wrote the CS server, there's nothing anyone else can do to unfuck it |
| 03:27.23 | darkcmd | then after drinking some soda... I shoot up some heroin.. its a great routine you should try it |
| 03:27.27 | common | glueoz: tried running 32bit os? |
| 03:27.41 | moshii | glueoz: made sure I/O are up to speed? |
| 03:27.59 | glueoz | i'm running debian-64bit-generic on a Dual Cored Dual 265 processor with 4 gig ram , 20 players on my server chews 30% CPU when it should be around the 5% mark |
| 03:28.25 | hammerabi | and "should" is defined as? |
| 03:28.33 | glueoz | common: haven't tried 32bit |
| 03:28.33 | decoy5657 | quick question: running debian 3.1 (long time debian user) finally on a laptop. is there a good util for show and connect to wireless networks? |
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| 03:28.49 | decoy5657 | glueoz, those procs should rock socks even on a 32bit. |
| 03:29.04 | glueoz | i know |
| 03:29.06 | common | another option was running john on a higher priority, so the csserver does not get more then 5% cpu at all :) |
| 03:29.11 | hammerabi | decoy5657: network manager is ok, but not in Debian |
| 03:29.13 | glueoz | dual cored 265 should be able to handle 100 + users easy |
| 03:29.15 | hammerabi | decoy5657: netapplet is a bit shit, but ok |
| 03:29.16 | glueoz | no drama |
| 03:29.19 | glueoz | specially 64bit |
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| 03:29.44 | glueoz | so i guess i need to know if their's anything in the server.cfg i could change to fix this ? |
| 03:30.02 | common | glueoz: i think you overestimate 64bit |
| 03:30.11 | decoy5657 | common, : roger that. |
| 03:30.15 | glueoz | common: how so ? |
| 03:30.35 | common | 64bit wont increase speed, all it will do is increase ram usage |
| 03:30.47 | mentor | that depends |
| 03:30.53 | moshii | glueoz: you should look at what the process is doing and find out where it's getting stuck .. |
| 03:30.54 | hammerabi | common: going from i386 to amd64 can greatly increase speed |
| 03:30.56 | glueoz | common: so why is the CPU usage so high i've never seen it before |
| 03:31.03 | hammerabi | you're right for most other arches, though |
| 03:31.19 | glueoz | moshii: i need to know how i can monitor the process and see where it's leacking |
| 03:31.22 | mentor | The greatest boost for x86 x86-64 is the increase in GPRs |
| 03:31.38 | hammerabi | yes |
| 03:31.41 | mentor | Of course, if you're doing 64b bit calculations, your code will get faster |
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| 03:31.54 | hammerabi | that only helps because i386 was so crap in that regard to begin with |
| 03:32.00 | cjaymes | hello |
| 03:32.04 | glueoz | well the dual cored 265's are a beefy CPU |
| 03:32.11 | glueoz | should be able to handle a hell of a lot more |
| 03:32.18 | cjaymes | I'm having trouble getting jackd working on debian; no sound out, lots of errors |
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| 03:32.31 | hammerabi | glueoz: what are you basing that assumption on? |
| 03:32.35 | cjaymes | I'm starting it with "jackd -v -d alsa -d hw:0 -p 512" |
| 03:32.46 | hammerabi | glueoz: you've talked to other people running "CS" servers on dual-core opteron machines? |
| 03:32.47 | mentor | glueoz: Standard answer to this is to profile |
| 03:32.51 | rip | Anyone know how to get japanese caracteries working so I can read jap web pages? |
| 03:32.54 | hammerabi | glueoz: also, bear in mind that is 30% of one core |
| 03:32.58 | mentor | ah. |
| 03:33.01 | hammerabi | rip: install japanese fonts |
| 03:33.03 | mentor | CounterStrike? |
| 03:33.04 | moshii | glueoz: have you tried added more users to see how it scales? |
| 03:33.17 | rip | i did just that, installed xfonts-intl-japanese |
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| 03:33.34 | moshii | rip: you need a few packges .. just hiragana/katakana or kanji too? |
| 03:33.35 | nanok | sander: ooookay.. |
| 03:33.36 | hammerabi | rip: and does "fc-list" show them? |
| 03:33.43 | sander | nanok, :-) |
| 03:34.02 | rip | hmm I thought the xfonts-intl-japanese had it all |
| 03:34.12 | nanok | sander: any other disk on that machine on which you could debootstrap? |
| 03:34.16 | common | glueoz: ask valve to ship you the source, compile it with profiling information and profile it |
| 03:34.18 | rip | what else do I need to get it working with firefox? |
| 03:34.27 | decoy5657 | thanks for the tip on netapplet. |
| 03:34.27 | moshii | rip: no kanji it seems ... you need ttf-kochi something too |
| 03:34.27 | glueoz | hammerabi: i'm using top to monitor it, and it says when i've got 20people playing that it's using 30% |
| 03:34.34 | darkcmd | i have noticed that debian does seem a bit slower because its compiled with i386 |
| 03:34.34 | sander | nanok, nopes.. only the swap partition. |
| 03:34.37 | hammerabi | glueoz: what is? |
| 03:34.42 | hammerabi | glueoz: the CS process? |
| 03:34.45 | glueoz | hammerabi: i asked a few people if top would monitor both CPUs and cores |
| 03:34.49 | glueoz | hammerabi: yes |
| 03:34.59 | moshii | rip: i.e. ttf-kochi-mincho |
| 03:34.59 | hammerabi | glueoz: which is 30% of one cpu, and you have two |
| 03:35.01 | sander | nanok, else I need to erase some data. |
| 03:35.10 | nanok | sander: norsk? |
| 03:35.10 | glueoz | hammerabi: TOP monitors both |
| 03:35.15 | common | no |
| 03:35.17 | sander | nanok, yeap. |
| 03:35.18 | hammerabi | glueoz: you're misreading top |
| 03:35.22 | nanok | sander: so it si night there to |
| 03:35.37 | nanok | i dont suppose there's anyone onsite who could assist you |
| 03:35.41 | mentor | glueoz: Well, people are helping, but I expect you'd get a better answer from someone who actually runs/maintains/admins CS servers |
| 03:35.50 | Dewi | should I attempt to get my PPPOE/ADSL working during debian install, or just wait until later? |
| 03:35.52 | sander | nanok, exactly |
| 03:35.55 | glueoz | hammerabi: how should it be read ? |
| 03:35.59 | nanok | sander: nice |
| 03:36.12 | common | glueoz: top has an option to see load per cpu |
| 03:36.13 | hammerabi | Dewi: later |
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| 03:36.25 | rip | k, so I only need to install that package? |
| 03:36.34 | hammerabi | glueoz: if it says a process is using 30% cpu, it's saying it is using 30% of ONE cpu |
| 03:36.34 | moshii | rip: btw, if you want some nice Japanese fonts rip the ones off of the windows cds :D |
| 03:36.43 | nanok | sander: is uptime critical for that machine? |
| 03:36.52 | moshii | rip: depends, do you want gothic too? |
| 03:37.00 | glueoz | hammerabi: how can i be so sure this is the case ? |
| 03:37.07 | hammerabi | glueoz: common sense? |
| 03:37.09 | sander | nanok, nopes.. it can be down some days.. but not much more I belive |
| 03:37.10 | moshii | rip: get mikachan if you want it to look cool |
| 03:37.20 | glueoz | hammerabi: how can i run top or atop with it showing the CPU consumption of both CPU's and all 4 CORES |
| 03:37.20 | nanok | sander: ah, ok |
| 03:37.26 | hammerabi | glueoz: you seem to be obsessing over something that does not matter at all |
| 03:37.37 | rip | but with this previous package you mentioned, I'l be able to read web pages? |
| 03:37.39 | hammerabi | glueoz: until the game ias actually slowing down, you do not have a problem |
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| 03:37.42 | nanok | sander: try to make the partition table as it was before |
| 03:37.44 | sander | nanok, its pretty fucked as it is now.. since two discs isnt working.. makes whole raid array not work |
| 03:37.48 | nanok | sander: exactly as before |
| 03:37.49 | hammerabi | glueoz: you're still misunderstanding |
| 03:37.54 | sander | nanok, yep.. its like it was before now |
| 03:37.56 | moshii | rip: you should be able to see them, only you know if you can read them |
| 03:37.58 | nanok | ok |
| 03:37.59 | LeeC5 | hey, how come each time i change dhcpd.conf. Restart the knoppix terminal service, the orignal file gets restored everytime. |
| 03:38.01 | hammerabi | glueoz: ignore the top 4 lines of top |
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| 03:38.04 | glueoz | hammerabi: i'm only asking because when the machine hit around 90% utilisation my gamers were receiving choke/loss which to me says that the CPU is overloaded (both of them) |
| 03:38.08 | nanok | sander: try doing init 6, not reboot |
| 03:38.09 | hammerabi | glueoz: look at the process detailsa at the bottom |
| 03:38.13 | nanok | sander: and pray |
| 03:38.33 | nanok | sander: pray that it comes up again, that is, |
| 03:38.42 | rip | no other config is needed besides installing this package? |
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| 03:38.56 | hammerabi | rip: you could have tried and found out by now |
| 03:38.59 | darkcmd | anyone in here use fluxbox... purely for a questionaire... I'm gathering wm usage for a survey I'm doing for a class |
| 03:39.00 | nanok | sander: what two disks? i thought it was just hda.. |
| 03:39.04 | sander | nanok, well.. init 6 dosnt make it reboot |
| 03:39.10 | nanok | sander: wait a sec |
| 03:39.12 | moshii | rip: you get little boxes on Japanese pages at the moment yeah? |
| 03:39.19 | nanok | sander: what raid aray? |
| 03:39.20 | rip | Exactly |
| 03:39.28 | rip | using firefox |
| 03:39.31 | LeeC5 | ? |
| 03:39.31 | ubuntu | hello |
| 03:39.31 | common | darkcmd: used fluxbox some time ago, as it was slim & fast |
| 03:39.32 | hammerabi | darkcmd: that's a pretty silly survey |
| 03:39.36 | hammerabi | ubuntu: #ubuntu |
| 03:39.37 | nanok | sander: this changes everything, potentially |
| 03:39.38 | moshii | rip: should be fine then, install the fonts and restart X |
| 03:39.40 | LeeC5 | how come each time i change dhcpd.conf. Restart the knoppix terminal service, the orignal file gets restored everytime. |
| 03:39.43 | sander | nanok, I got 8 discs.. 4 in one raid0 array.. and 4 in another |
| 03:39.44 | hammerabi | LeeC5: how does your questoin relate to Debian? |
| 03:39.46 | darkcmd | darkcmd: what do yo u use now? |
| 03:39.49 | LeeC5 | yep |
| 03:39.50 | glueoz | hammerabi: is their a utill i can use that will monitor both CPU's and all 4 cores ? |
| 03:39.58 | hammerabi | glueoz: you're still missing the point |
| 03:40.04 | mentor | glueoz: Do you have any other benchmarks apart from the fact that the process is currently 30%? |
| 03:40.05 | nanok | sander: omfg. raid0. niiiiice |
| 03:40.06 | moshii | rip: sometimes you have to force the encoding on pages too though |
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| 03:40.09 | darkcmd | common: I mean.. what do you use now? |
| 03:40.16 | common | gnome |
| 03:40.21 | ubuntu | byebye ,every body |
| 03:40.22 | rip | well I did install the xfonts-intl-japanese and rebooted but I still only see the boxes |
| 03:40.27 | mentor | glueoz: If you think you have a performance problem...you need to benchmark it |
| 03:40.27 | darkcmd | common: get a faster machine? |
| 03:40.29 | hammerabi | glueoz: this is a dual-cpu, dual-core machine? |
| 03:40.31 | glueoz | mentor: yes, i used to run 2 20 player servers on a single cored 2gighz box |
| 03:40.35 | glueoz | would run fine |
| 03:40.40 | kidtux | Are there plans to switch to Xorg anytime soon or will Debian continue to use XFree86? |
| 03:40.44 | nanok | sander: can we see something from fstab, and something from the raid config please? |
| 03:40.47 | mentor | glueoz: define fine? |
| 03:40.52 | hammerabi | kidtux: debian has been using x.org for...6 months? maybe more. |
| 03:40.55 | glueoz | hammerabi: it's a Dual Opteron 265 (Dual cored) 4 gig ram |
| 03:40.57 | moshii | rip: xfont-intl-japanese on has hiragana I think .. I reinstalled yesterday and that's what happened |
| 03:40.59 | common | yes, the box i run fluxbox at was a p1 200, and it still runs fluxbox, did not update it |
| 03:41.03 | sander | nanok, hdm and hdg is not in fdisk -l |
| 03:41.10 | nanok | sander: raidtab i think it should be, for potato |
| 03:41.11 | glueoz | mentor: would sit at like 80% usage on a shitty machine like that |
| 03:41.14 | hammerabi | glueoz: do me a favour. run top |
| 03:41.14 | prologic_ | hiryu, I have a machine with an nVidia card trying to get xserver-xorg configured for 2 monitors in Clone mode. Not having any luck. With the nvidia card, the 2nd monitor just gets "Cable not connected". When I tried to use the onboard vga as the 2nd screen, X kept freezing |
| 03:41.18 | kidtux | hammerabi: So 3.1 contains Xorg? *great - thanks* |
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| 03:41.24 | hammerabi | kidtux: no, not at all |
| 03:41.25 | glueoz | hammerabi: already runnin git :p |
| 03:41.32 | hammerabi | glueoz: cover the top 5 lines with your hand |
| 03:41.38 | mentor | glueoz: ... So... that doens't tell us how it should run on this box then... |
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| 03:41.52 | hammerabi | moshii: kana? |
| 03:41.53 | mentor | kidtux: No |
| 03:41.57 | glueoz | mentor: well one would assume it would run a lot less when it comes to CPU utilisation |
| 03:42.01 | pilgrim | Hi all. How do I disable serivces from booting at boot time? |
| 03:42.04 | moshii | hammerabi: yeah, forgot that totally |
| 03:42.05 | hammerabi | kidtux: etch and sid both have x.org, sarge released before it |
| 03:42.08 | hammerabi | pilgrim: e.g.? |
| 03:42.13 | moshii | hammerabi: cheers |
| 03:42.16 | mentor | kidtux: the X Strike Force are currently in the process of packaging X.Org for Debian. |
| 03:42.16 | nanok | sander: #flood |
| 03:42.17 | pilgrim | hammerabi, cupsd |
| 03:42.18 | sander | nanok, get into #flood.. |
| 03:42.19 | sander | yeap |
| 03:42.30 | mentor | kidtux: It will probably be in etch |
| 03:42.32 | hammerabi | moshii: heh, I'm guessing, my japanese education ended 7 years ago |
| 03:42.35 | rip | only hiragana? so what else do I need, is it that package you mentioned, ttf-kochi-mincho? |
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| 03:42.39 | glueoz | hammerabi: ok covering top 5 lines |
| 03:42.45 | mentor | glueoz: What speed is the current box? |
| 03:42.52 | mentor | glueoz: Is the CS server multithreaded? |
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| 03:43.00 | glueoz | It's a Dual Opteron 265 (Dual cored) 4 gig ram |
| 03:43.02 | hammerabi | glueoz: great. now it shows a list of processes, and how much of the cpu time ON THE CPU THEY ARE ON that they are using |
| 03:43.09 | moshii | hammerabi: I've gone into the forgetting stage... as I've been learning more advanced stuff, the basic stuff is falling out |
| 03:43.11 | r0tu | r0tu |
| 03:43.19 | glueoz | mentor: i've read a little about multithreading but don't know how to do this. |
| 03:43.21 | hammerabi | glueoz: if it's 30%, you can run 2 more on that cpu, and 9 on the other 3 |
| 03:43.34 | mentor | IIRC AMD's offerings don't go much over 2GHz |
| 03:43.35 | glueoz | hammerabi: yup i see that |
| 03:43.38 | hammerabi | moshii: tabemasho |
| 03:43.46 | moshii | rip: ttf-kochi-mincho should sort it |
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| 03:43.51 | mentor | glueoz: The applciations have to be programmed to take advantage of multiple threads |
| 03:44.00 | common | hammerabi: a problem is, he cant tie a process to a core |
| 03:44.02 | moshii | hammerabi: ima? iie kekkou desu yo! |
| 03:44.02 | rip | k let me see |
| 03:44.18 | glueoz | hammerabi: will it automatically overflow one the first core is full ? |
| 03:44.30 | mentor | glueoz: Linux automatically schedules processes |
| 03:44.30 | hammerabi | glueoz: no |
| 03:44.30 | common | glueoz: no |
| 03:44.39 | hammerabi | glueoz: it will run the next on a different cpu |
| 03:44.49 | mentor | glueoz: You can't run one process on multiple cores concurrently |
| 03:44.49 | hammerabi | glueoz: so all 4 will run in parallel |
| 03:45.01 | glueoz | yes i understand that |
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| 03:45.05 | hammerabi | glueoz: if there are 5, then two will run on one cpu |
| 03:45.14 | common | sometimes i wonder who ppl like glueoz get such box |
| 03:45.19 | hammerabi | glueoz: basically, the linux scheduler is smarter than all of us combined. trust it until you see a problem. |
| 03:45.26 | gregmon-pterando | Hi. |
| 03:45.27 | hammerabi | common: gamers always have too much hardware. |
| 03:45.37 | gregmon-pterando | Off-topic Q on madman media player. |
| 03:45.40 | moshii | common: beg their parents |
| 03:45.40 | Tortel | ok, I now have 2 ethernet devices running, does that mean that another computer will have internet if it is plugged in device #2? |
| 03:45.40 | mentor | glueoz: Unless you tell Linux specifically where to put hte processes, it will schedule them in the way it thinkgs best |
| 03:45.46 | glueoz | common: i'm only curious as to the readings of top sorry , my knowledge of top isn't as yours is. |
| 03:45.46 | hammerabi | Tortel: no |
| 03:45.50 | moshii | Tortel: nope |
| 03:45.52 | Tortel | :( |
| 03:45.54 | Tortel | gah |
| 03:46.00 | hammerabi | Tortel: it's simple to configure it thusly, tho |
| 03:46.03 | moshii | Tortel: but it can be easilly solved |
| 03:46.05 | Tortel | how can I set that up? |
| 03:46.12 | Tortel | lol |
| 03:46.13 | moshii | Tortel: ipmasq is easy |
| 03:46.13 | hammerabi | Tortel: install the 'ipmasq' package on it |
| 03:46.17 | Tortel | ok |
| 03:46.28 | rip | Perfect! many thanks moshii |
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| 03:46.48 | hammerabi | I'm going to be answering the phone with moshii moshii all day now |
| 03:46.54 | common | glueoz: its not about you, is a common problem ppl without any basics show up with *problems* on high end hardware |
| 03:47.06 | micahf | hey is there a GUI apt interface like ubuntu's for debian? |
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| 03:47.10 | hammerabi | common: not even problems, worries about future problems |
| 03:47.12 | moshii | hammerabi: (wara) |
| 03:47.18 | hammerabi | micahf: ubuntu uses synaptic, just like debian |
| 03:47.19 | moshii | doesn't have the same feel :( |
| 03:47.24 | nanok | common: there is no god, huh..? |
| 03:47.25 | nanok | :P |
| 03:47.27 | common | hammerabi: thats what *problems* shall indicate |
| 03:47.29 | darkcmd | I think ubuntu has a new package manager |
| 03:47.30 | hammerabi | moshii: gnome-app-install is probably in debian, too |
| 03:47.33 | darkcmd | i mean frontend |
| 03:47.35 | hammerabi | common: hah |
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| 03:47.46 | micahf | hammerabi, ah, so that is synaptic? |
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| 03:48.06 | hammerabi | micahf: the useful one that lists all packages is |
| 03:48.09 | moshii | rip: no problem, the free Japanese fonts are a bit poo though |
| 03:48.14 | micahf | hammerabi, I think they made a new one with little icons now, but I'm not sure |
| 03:48.21 | common | glueoz: forget about the gameserver thing, and use the box as a heater |
| 03:48.25 | common | will work |
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| 03:48.31 | glueoz | so it's not possible at all to monitor both CPU's and all cores ? |
| 03:48.34 | gregmon-pterando | Hi. Anyone ever use "madman" (or know if better #irc channel?) thx |
| 03:48.37 | micahf | hammerabi, but thank you, synaptic is what I was looking for! |
| 03:48.38 | glueoz | that's what i guess i'm now asking |
| 03:48.43 | hammerabi | glueoz: as I said, hit 1 |
| 03:48.47 | common | glueoz: top can do it |
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| 03:49.05 | hammerabi | gregmon-pterando: there's a player called "madman" in Debian? |
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| 03:49.23 | gregmon-pterando | Uh, not in Debian, but in apt-get. |
| 03:49.29 | iostream | Hi.. Can GNU parted safely resize ext3 partitions? |
| 03:49.30 | rip | really? they look fine to me, though the window title still displays saquares... I guess I can fix that with a reboot? |
| 03:49.34 | hammerabi | gregmon-pterando: then talk to whoever gave you the package |
| 03:49.37 | hammerabi | rip: no |
| 03:49.47 | rip | hmmm |
| 03:49.48 | hammerabi | rip: any plan involving a reboot to fix fonts is flawed |
| 03:49.50 | gregmon-pterando | um, isn't it the "Debian" folks? |
| 03:49.54 | phrontist | I am trying to compile SoundKonverter (a KDE sound conversion tool GUI frontend) and I'm getting a "in the prefix you have chosen there are no KDE headers" error |
| 03:49.55 | rip | damn |
| 03:49.56 | common | iostream: forget about savely resizing anything |
| 03:50.05 | iostream | common: okay |
| 03:50.08 | hammerabi | gregmon-pterando: your answers are contradictory. where did you get this package from? |
| 03:50.08 | moshii | rip: did you install gothic as well? |
| 03:50.14 | gregmon-pterando | apt-get. |
| 03:50.16 | hammerabi | iostream: as much as you can resize anything |
| 03:50.20 | hammerabi | gregmon-pterando: that's not a useful answer |
| 03:50.26 | hammerabi | gregmon-pterando: was it from within Debian? |
| 03:50.32 | common | phrontist: use sox in console, and forget about kde |
| 03:50.46 | gregmon-pterando | I guess perhaps not. |
| 03:50.49 | rip | nope, I only got xfonts-intl-japanese and ttf-kochi-mincho |
| 03:50.55 | iostream | hammerabi: Okay, I have just heard about people removing the journal and converting to ext2, but maybe that's just in older versions and/or with other software |
| 03:51.02 | moshii | rip: try ttf-kochi-gothic too |
| 03:51.07 | rip | k |
| 03:51.15 | Tortel | moshii or hammerabi: after the ipmasq package, it should work? |
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| 03:51.25 | hammerabi | Tortel: depending on your internal network setup, yes |
| 03:51.31 | Tortel | (yea, Im new at two ethernet devices) |
| 03:51.35 | phrontist | common: that looks like just the ticket |
| 03:51.43 | hammerabi | Tortel: ie the internal machines obviously need to be configured to use this machine as their gateway, have suitable ip addresses, etc |
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| 03:52.02 | phrontist | common: I'm trying to convert the bitrate of a ton of wavs, can it batch process them? |
| 03:52.06 | common | sure, if you can read the man page |
| 03:53.07 | phrontist | common: sounds good |
| 03:53.10 | phrontist | thanks much |
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| 03:53.22 | common | sox is cool |
| 03:53.30 | rip | hmm no luck, the tittle box still displays boxes |
| 03:53.42 | common | you can recognire cool programs on the number of chars in their names |
| 03:53.45 | common | less is more |
| 03:53.55 | hammerabi | rip: until fc-list shows these fonts, firefox/moz/konq will not know about them |
| 03:54.23 | rip | how would I go about showing them then? |
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| 03:54.45 | hammerabi | have you checked yet? |
| 03:54.54 | foo | How can I stop my screen from blanking? dpms .. something, blah, I forgot the command |
| 03:54.57 | common | phrontist: get your needed options from the manpage and bash script your batchfile around it |
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| 03:55.12 | rip | hehe sorry but how would I do that ^^'' ? |
| 03:55.20 | hammerabi | foo: xset dpms force off |
| 03:55.25 | foo | ahhh |
| 03:55.25 | foo | thanks |
| 03:55.33 | Tortel | funfun |
| 03:55.33 | hammerabi | foo: mplayer will disable it while playing things, too |
| 03:55.35 | Tortel | netsplit |
| 03:55.48 | foo | server:/public/music# xset dpms force off |
| 03:55.49 | Tortel | and ack, dust tastes bad |
| 03:55.49 | foo | xset: unable to open display "" |
| 03:55.49 | common | netsplit is a good point to goto bed |
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| 03:56.00 | foo | hammerabi: ^^ Hmm. Weird. |
| 03:56.22 | nimak | how do i restart everything sound related? |
| 03:56.24 | hammerabi | foo: a) don't run it as root, b) it's an X function so needs $DISPLAY set the X server you want to control |
| 03:56.30 | hammerabi | nimak: there's very little to restart |
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| 03:56.34 | Tortel | nimak: alsaconf |
| 03:56.34 | hammerabi | nimak: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:56.39 | Tortel | :) |
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| 03:56.44 | micahf | hey, what do you think would be better for my grandma (i.e. less threatening of a name) ubuntu, kubuntu, or debian? |
| 03:56.46 | hammerabi | rip: "fc-list | grep -i michi" or whatever it was |
| 03:56.48 | nimak | sound support randomly quits |
| 03:56.51 | Tortel | nimak: taht will shut it all down |
| 03:57.01 | hammerabi | alsaconf is essentially useless |
| 03:57.03 | Tortel | nimak: and you can select cards and such |
| 03:57.08 | hammerabi | I don't know why people keep recommending it |
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| 03:57.29 | Tortel | i have to, I use a non-built in sound card |
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| 03:57.32 | micahf | yea it is useless |
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| 03:57.47 | Tortel | and it wont load at boot despite blacklisting |
| 03:57.49 | rip | then I'd enter this in console? : fc-list | grep -i ttf-kochi-mincho |
| 03:57.58 | micahf | it doesn't work |
| 03:58.08 | hammerabi | rip: yes |
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| 03:58.10 | micahf | it will configure but it won't work after you reboot |
| 03:58.15 | rip | k let me see |
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| 03:58.17 | Tortel | i know |
| 03:58.34 | Tortel | im used to running alsaconf at boot |
| 03:58.42 | nimak | ? |
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| 03:58.50 | molinero | Ubuntu lives! |
| 03:58.53 | micahf | yea I should add it to my boot |
| 03:58.54 | Tortel | D: |
| 03:59.02 | micahf | hey guys but I have really an honest question |
| 03:59.05 | micahf | if you were a grandma |
| 03:59.06 | moshii | rip: Is it the same for everypage? could be a bad page |
| 03:59.12 | micahf | which name would be less threatening to you |
| 03:59.15 | Tortel | alsaconf wont auto launch itsself at boot |
| 03:59.18 | darkcmd | ubuntu sounds like a rapist |
| 03:59.20 | micahf | "ubuntu" |
| 03:59.22 | moshii | rip: Japanese e-mail is really painful :( |
| 03:59.26 | micahf | so debian? |
| 03:59.29 | darkcmd | yes |
| 03:59.30 | Tortel | debian |
| 03:59.32 | micahf | cause kubuntu is just a weird name |
| 03:59.34 | Tortel | by far. |
| 03:59.35 | micahf | yea I think so too |
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| 03:59.44 | micahf | that's why I am going to go with debian |
| 03:59.52 | Tortel | :) |
| 03:59.52 | hammerabi | I think you're underestimating your grandma. |
| 03:59.59 | micahf | plus there is this kid in my dorm that says "ubuntu" all creepy |
| 04:00.01 | moshii | Wasn't there a debian forked called lesbian? |
| 04:00.08 | gravity | moshii: It was a joke |
| 04:00.08 | micahf | haha |
| 04:00.10 | darkcmd | i think it was a joke |
| 04:00.13 | nimak | hows he say it? |
| 04:00.16 | moshii | damn |
| 04:00.25 | darkcmd | you buuuuuuuuh nnn toooo |
| 04:00.26 | micahf | haha, that's a funny joke |
| 04:00.36 | raf256 | O_o |
| 04:00.43 | micahf | http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
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| 04:00.50 | raf256 | I see yea guys dont really like debian forks |
| 04:00.52 | Tortel | . . . . |
| 04:00.53 | nimak | its pronounced oo BOON too |
| 04:00.54 | rip | argh boxes won't leave me |
| 04:01.02 | staniel | hello |
| 04:01.07 | darkcmd | not really... we are in #debian.. not #randomdebianforkhere |
| 04:01.12 | staniel | can anyone help me with dhcpd and ddns? |
| 04:01.16 | raf256 | in polish debil means "moron" |
| 04:01.29 | micahf | yea but this kid said it like "ooo bewwwwwwnnnn tewwwwww" |
| 04:01.32 | micahf | and it was creepy |
| 04:01.33 | raf256 | some newbies call debian "debilian" damn them :> |
| 04:01.37 | moshii | rip: what page are you trying to view? |
| 04:01.42 | micahf | and my grandma would say "oh, that sure is a strange name" |
| 04:02.05 | raf256 | michael: probably not if she was nigga, ubuntu is nigerian war isnt it? |
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| 04:02.10 | darkcmd | debain |
| 04:02.14 | moshii | rip: http://mixi.jp/ try that one .. the title is all katakana |
| 04:02.15 | darkcmd | I hate it when people say debain |
| 04:02.21 | hammerabi | raf256: uh, please stop it |
| 04:02.30 | rip | http://trftrf.com/ the page itself is perfect, only the title on the browser displays boxes |
| 04:02.34 | raf256 | hammerabi: not in a mood for jokes? well ok then |
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| 04:02.44 | hammerabi | raf256: jokes != stupid semi-literate rants |
| 04:02.47 | gravity | raf256: I warned you |
| 04:02.51 | staniel | I keep getting errors like "/etc/dhcpd.conf line 7: expecting a parameter or declaration." for the lines "ddns-update-style interim;" and " |
| 04:02.51 | staniel | ddns-updates on; |
| 04:02.51 | staniel | " |
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| 04:02.55 | ciler | how about : debonzi |
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| 04:03.07 | ifup | Help! I just installed debian on a compaq p4 2.2 ghz and the fans on the cpu and case are not spinning! |
| 04:03.31 | hammerabi | ifup: what does linux-laptop.net say about your laptop? |
| 04:03.33 | Gnea | ifup: plug them in |
| 04:03.57 | Tortel | ifup: dont jam them |
| 04:04.09 | Tortel | ifup: and try turning the labtop on |
| 04:04.12 | rip | yep same thing in this page you sugested, the tab, page itself are all displaying correctly, exept for the title, perhaps it has something to do with kde config? |
| 04:04.34 | ifup | HA its a desktop and they are plugged in I had to reinstall the OS because of a very corrupt drive |
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| 04:04.44 | moshii | rip: hmm does it work in konq? |
| 04:04.48 | hammerabi | rip: KDE (kwin) may require a restart after installing the fonts |
| 04:05.08 | rip | let me see if it works in konq |
| 04:05.13 | moshii | hammerabi: weird that the page body is working but nor the title though |
| 04:05.21 | ifup | is there some kind of apm or acpi option that should be passed to the kernel? |
| 04:05.30 | hammerabi | moshii: was konq restarted? |
| 04:05.35 | hammerabi | ifup: as above |
| 04:05.45 | nima | testing sucks less than unstable |
| 04:05.59 | hammerabi | afaik fontconfig requires applications to restart before seeing new fonts |
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| 04:06.44 | ifup | hammerabi, my laptop is a thinkpad with deb also it works just fine :) |
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| 04:06.53 | nima | Tortel, thanks, alsaconf solved my problem |
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| 04:07.15 | hammerabi | ifup: ah, misread you, sorry |
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| 04:07.37 | Gnea | ifup: if they were plugged in then they would be working. looks like you've got some messed up hardware. this is not debian's fault. |
| 04:07.43 | roue_away | hi folks. I've got a 3.1 box that was dist-upgraded from woody. It's currently booting with lilo and I'd like to switch to grub. I've installed the grub and grub-doc debs, but it didn't create the /boot/grub files. What do I need to complete the transition? |
| 04:07.44 | rip | yeah konq also shows boxes on the title bar, so I should do a reboot? |
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| 04:07.50 | hammerabi | Gnea: that's not at all the case |
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| 04:08.02 | hammerabi | Gnea: modern desktops use similar techniques as laptops to control fans |
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| 04:08.16 | Gnea | hammerabi: so just tweak it in the bios |
| 04:08.17 | hammerabi | hiryu: please turn that off |
| 04:08.25 | hammerabi | Gnea: it is not always bios controllable, afaik |
| 04:08.28 | Gnea | !away |
| 04:08.28 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 04:08.43 | Gnea | hammerabi: on desktops, it is |
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| 04:08.51 | Gnea | unless compaq makes crap |
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| 04:09.29 | hammerabi | I don't think my IBM desktop has a BIOS fan option. |
| 04:09.32 | moshii | rip: reboot shouldn't make a difference, you just need to restart X and any applications so they pick up the new fonts .. ctrl-alt-backspace is a quick way to restart X |
| 04:09.58 | rip | k let me see |
| 04:10.00 | Gnea | hammerabi: i didn't say all desktops - only desktops with that feature |
| 04:10.01 | bleaked | so, i am attempting to mount my new ipod. it is already formatted with fat. when i attempt to 'mount -t vfat /dev/sda2 /mnt/ipod' i receive a 'wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock, etc' error. why might this be? |
| 04:10.32 | hammerabi | bleaked: sda2? are you sure? |
| 04:10.44 | DragonDav | how do i install audo encoders for VLC? specificaly aac and mp3 |
| 04:11.05 | bleaked | hammerabi. every howto says this. fdisk /dev/sda confirms it. |
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| 04:11.52 | hammerabi | why do people use VLC these days instead of mplayer? |
| 04:11.52 | DragonDav | hammerabi: transcoder |
| 04:11.53 | bleaked | mplayer might not be legal. |
| 04:11.53 | hammerabi | bleaked: can you show me "fdisk -l /dev/sda" in #flood? |
| 04:11.57 | hammerabi | sure, but any patents mplayer violates are violated by xine and vlc anyway |
| 04:12.26 | mtnman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.37 | hammerabi | entroducing is great debugging music for some reason |
| 04:12.57 | hammerabi | bleaked: what does 'file -s /dev/sda2' say? |
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| 04:13.33 | bleaked | hammerabi. let me msg you. |
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| 04:15.09 | hammerabi | except for the odd id, that looks cool |
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| 04:15.25 | bleaked | hammerabi. it's a nano? |
| 04:15.25 | TNKS | hi. building packages from scratch seems a bit involved. I used `apt-get source` to get a source package. I then used dpkg-buildpackage to finish the job, but it altered the source tree. How do I clean the tree? |
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| 04:15.44 | decoy5657 | is anyone using a dell truemobile 1150 |
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| 04:15.52 | hammerabi | TNKS: fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 04:15.52 | DragonDav | i'm getting this: ffmpeg error: cannot find encoder MPEG Audio layer 1/2/3? how do i install mp3 support |
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| 04:16.06 | hammerabi | DragonDav: you could have installed mplayer and smoked a giant cuban by now |
| 04:16.06 | TNKS | hammerabi, ah. . . that makes sense. |
| 04:16.06 | bleaked | hammerabi. so why do you think i cannot mount? |
| 04:16.14 | rip | cool, now everything is dipslaying nicely |
| 04:16.23 | rip | many many thanks =D |
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| 04:16.31 | hammerabi | bleaked: I don't know, does dmesg say anything interesting? |
| 04:16.43 | hammerabi | TNKS: dpkg-buildpackage runs that internally, tho, anyway |
| 04:16.46 | bleaked | just a bunch of garbage |
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| 04:16.57 | moshii | rip: next problem is getting an input server running ;) |
| 04:16.58 | hammerabi | bleaked: #flood |
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| 04:17.22 | rip | lol thats enough trouble for me, I don't want to mess with THAT =P |
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| 04:17.38 | hammerabi | bleaked: right after you try to mount it? |
| 04:18.00 | moshii | rip: you be surprised how many people think they need a "japanese" keyboard |
| 04:18.13 | bleaked | hammerabi. no, it's been full of those messages well before i had my ipod. ever since my initial install a few weeks ago. |
| 04:18.21 | hammerabi | bleaked: how odd |
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| 04:18.37 | Tigerhawk | anyone know what channel I can get help with bios flashing on? |
| 04:18.44 | hammerabi | stem/long-stem really fucks up my speakers for some reason |
| 04:19.02 | hammerabi | bleaked: wait, what does "mount | grep sd" say? |
| 04:19.34 | rip | I'd figure, A friend of mine said that his father native from jap had trouble with these |
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| 04:19.40 | DragonDav | hammerabi: does mplayer support transcoding and server options? |
| 04:19.40 | decoy5657 | hammerabi, that's because unkle rocks your world. |
| 04:19.44 | bleaked | hammerabi. nothing. it just returns to a prompt. |
| 04:19.46 | rip | I can only imagine how I'd handle it =p |
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| 04:19.57 | hammerabi | DragonDav: mencoder, don't know what that means |
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| 04:20.06 | hammerabi | decoy5657: the good half of unkle, anyway ;) |
| 04:20.15 | hammerabi | tho james lavelle is apparently touring here soon |
| 04:20.33 | decoy5657 | where is here? |
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| 04:20.42 | hammerabi | bleaked: ok, dunno; it looks ok, unless the filesystem is actually fucked somehow (or your kernel is missing vfat support) |
| 04:20.46 | hammerabi | decoy5657: .au |
| 04:20.56 | decoy5657 | oh. |
| 04:20.57 | gravity | I thought the only good part of unkle was DJ Shadow |
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| 04:21.04 | hammerabi | gravity: exactly! |
| 04:21.06 | decoy5657 | < - .louisville.kentucky |
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| 04:21.15 | gravity | hammerabi: Right on :-) |
| 04:21.15 | nondysjunct | Hi, I was wondering how to burn/mount disk images of the type mds/mdf file extensions.... They will not mount as ISOs. any ideas would be greatly appreciated. ;) |
| 04:21.24 | decoy5657 | gravity, you're right. |
| 04:21.25 | ifup | Ok I got it working now with my friend "apt-get install acpid" |
| 04:21.37 | bleaked | hammerabi. i know..it's odd. i definitely have vfat support. i hand compiled the kernel and _always_ recheck everything. i even just checked my .config now. |
| 04:21.37 | hammerabi | nondysjunct: are they el-dodgo alcohol120 or nero files? |
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| 04:21.59 | hammerabi | bleaked: does a Debian kernel work, out of interest? |
| 04:22.09 | hammerabi | moshii: no better time for it |
| 04:22.25 | cjaymes | anyone use jackd? |
| 04:22.41 | hammerabi | cjaymes: you might have better luck asking jack people, e.g. #jack or such |
| 04:22.46 | bleaked | hammerabi. have not tried it. |
| 04:22.48 | hammerabi | jack is not very commonly used outside music circles |
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| 04:23.02 | cjaymes | no one alive there :-/ |
| 04:23.24 | hammerabi | cjaymes: perhaps ask on the debian-user or a demudi list |
| 04:23.27 | moshii | hammerabi: better "live" |
| 04:23.30 | bleaked | hammerabi. but right now my ipod says 'do not disconnect' and i have no way to unload it. i'm worried about fs corruption. |
| 04:23.38 | cjaymes | heh; gig is saturday :) |
| 04:23.48 | darkcmd | one more question for my survey... does anyone in here use icewm? |
| 04:24.01 | cjaymes | I got half of what I need from both of my solutions |
| 04:24.12 | roue | anyone have a pointer to a good howto for adding fonts to debian? I want to be able to try a few different fonts in rxvt that I've found on the web, but I don't know where to put them, if I need to process them at all, how to add them to the systems database of fonts if such a thing exists. |
| 04:24.27 | cjaymes | oh well |
| 04:24.56 | ifup | bleaked, what kind of ipod do you have? |
| 04:25.05 | bleaked | ifup. nano |
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| 04:25.38 | hammerabi | bleaked: can you unload sd_mod or such? |
| 04:26.12 | bleaked | hammerabi. i have scsi support compiled in. |
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| 04:26.32 | ifup | bleaked, me too the 2g I tried to use gtkpod and something happend to screw up the database |
| 04:27.02 | bleaked | ifup. well..i cannot even mount it in the first place. |
| 04:27.25 | hammerabi | bleaked: what does gtkpod have to say? |
| 04:27.49 | hammerabi | bleaked: it seems pretty unlikely unplugging it would corrupt the fs, since it's not mounted (unless the firmware writes to it as well) |
| 04:27.57 | cjaymes | oh, I guess I could ask this: does anyone have a linux app that I can use 2 audio ports to play music and crossfade between them? |
| 04:28.10 | ifup | mine is on /dev/sda2 on two different boxes my laptop debian and my wifes ubuntu box |
| 04:28.15 | DragonDav | What do i need to install to encode to mp4a? |
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| 04:28.49 | cjaymes | DragonDav, mencoder would be a good start |
| 04:29.01 | rustifer | scuse me: how do I know what version of kde is in etch? |
| 04:29.02 | moshii | does anyone know of something in debian that'll play ape? |
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| 04:29.28 | cjaymes | moshii, what is ape? |
| 04:29.34 | moshii | rustifer: sid is 3.4, experimental has 3.5 which I'm running at the moment |
| 04:29.48 | moshii | cjaymes: like flac, but not free |
| 04:29.51 | DragonDav | cjaymes: well i have ffmpeg |
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| 04:30.49 | ifup | well ttfn bye |
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| 04:31.30 | rustifer | But I don't want to bleed :( |
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| 04:31.47 | scipher | Damn I love irssi |
| 04:32.20 | decoy5657 | anyone using a dell 1150 wifi card? |
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| 04:33.37 | hammerabi | the chipset is usually way more important than whatever sticker was put on it |
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| 04:38.44 | matrex | hey |
| 04:39.03 | liberion | hey |
| 04:39.26 | matrex | what are advantages of debian? |
| 04:39.32 | matrex | i have ubuntu right now |
| 04:39.33 | blondie | it's good |
| 04:39.34 | DragonDav | how do i add repositories? |
| 04:39.44 | blondie | and that's all I have to say! |
| 04:39.48 | hammerabi | DragonDav: by editing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:40.01 | Tortel | matrex: you like having 1/3 of an OS? |
| 04:40.01 | gravity | DragonDav: apt-setup or edit sources.list like hammerabi said (man sources.list) |
| 04:40.03 | matrex | whats the diff between debian and ubuntu |
| 04:40.11 | Tortel | alot |
| 04:40.27 | Tortel | !ubuntu |
| 04:40.27 | dpkg | hmm... ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 04:40.27 | matrex | like? |
| 04:40.34 | hammerabi | very little |
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| 04:40.46 | hammerabi | ubuntu is sometimes more up to date, sometimes not |
| 04:41.19 | liberion | up to date doesnt mean better ;) |
| 04:41.28 | hammerabi | of course |
| 04:41.48 | MorphO | hi all does anyone can give me some tips about my sources.list file for apt, i'm with a testing release and i want to install open office release |
| 04:41.58 | MorphO | open office 2.0 |
| 04:42.10 | hammerabi | MorphO: then go to #debian-oo and ask if they have packages for etch |
| 04:42.40 | Tortel | i think they do... |
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| 04:42.55 | hammerabi | OO 2 appears to be the same as OO 1 with a slightly less dull icon theme, though |
| 04:43.13 | MorphO | hammerabi: thank |
| 04:44.17 | gravity | Maybe OO.o will one day succeed in breaking apart the beast like Xorg |
| 04:45.18 | hammerabi | then we can write reviews of duke nukem forever with it |
| 04:45.30 | gravity | Wasn't that supposed to come out on the mozilla platform? |
| 04:46.30 | bunghole | how can I get the latest version of software in case sarge only has old versions in the packages |
| 04:46.57 | gravity | bunghole: Try backports.org first |
| 04:47.10 | bunghole | ok brb |
| 04:47.12 | gravity | bunghole: If not, you may have to backport it yourself |
| 04:47.15 | hammerabi | www.freshmeat.net |
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| 04:47.51 | swatikiss | i am having trouble mounting my friend's usb drive on my system |
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| 04:48.03 | ke6isf | SWAT: What are the symptoms? |
| 04:48.17 | swatikiss | i have fstab setup for another usb drive, but dmesg says that it can't find a valid vfat filesystem |
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| 04:48.50 | hammerabi | fstab is not useful for usb drives |
| 04:48.57 | hammerabi | unless you never ever chnage your configuration |
| 04:48.58 | Harley^ | howdy :) |
| 04:49.10 | nanok | swatikiss: add/remove the final number, i.e. /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1, or the other way around |
| 04:49.18 | Harley^ | What kernel is Debian Etch currently using ? |
| 04:49.24 | bunghole | gravity, you mean simple sid backport ? |
| 04:49.25 | nanok | and maybe, just maybe.. |
| 04:49.28 | gravity | bunghole: Right |
| 04:49.33 | bunghole | word |
| 04:49.39 | beardy | Harley^: The one the person chooses to run. |
| 04:49.40 | bunghole | might take ages to compile |
| 04:49.46 | gravity | bunghole: What is it? |
| 04:50.09 | bunghole | i was going to check out kde3.5 |
| 04:50.12 | gravity | Oh man |
| 04:50.17 | bunghole | but its too much to compile, fsck it |
| 04:50.19 | gravity | Good luck |
| 04:50.45 | liberion | matrex, you can put debian on one machine and ubuntu on the ohter and debian is so much faster |
| 04:50.49 | swatikiss | nanok, well, i did that... it seems to be on sda1... |
| 04:50.50 | Harley^ | beardy - What kernel is included in the current netinstall of Debian Etch ? |
| 04:50.56 | nanok | bunghole: i just had a revelation: if one wants to understand the concept of "alephs", one should just play a bit with gentoo.. |
| 04:51.01 | hammerabi | Harley^: no need to repeat |
| 04:51.02 | swatikiss | i just cant mount it... it says it can't find a valid vfat fs |
| 04:51.05 | nanok | hm..that was mean of me.. |
| 04:51.06 | liberion | matrex, machine having the same specs |
| 04:51.07 | nanok | :) |
| 04:51.22 | swatikiss | "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1," |
| 04:51.23 | beardy | hammerabi: Actually, he clarified, not repeated. |
| 04:51.33 | beardy | Harley^: I don't know. |
| 04:51.38 | scipher | liberion: I disagree |
| 04:51.43 | hammerabi | Harley^: beta1 used 2.6.12 |
| 04:51.46 | nanok | swatikiss: ok, try fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 04:51.59 | Harley^ | hammerabi, Thank you |
| 04:51.59 | swatikiss | nanok, what will that do? |
| 04:52.16 | nanok | swatikiss: list the partition table on sda, if any |
| 04:52.21 | swatikiss | ok |
| 04:52.29 | nanok | swatikiss: it wont write anything to sda, so dont worry |
| 04:52.33 | liberion | scipher, imho my 2 cents |
| 04:52.43 | swatikiss | it lists something for /dev/sda1 |
| 04:52.46 | swatikiss | fat16 fs |
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| 04:53.04 | liberion | scipher, from my experience |
| 04:53.07 | nanok | fat16 partition, more precis. |
| 04:53.18 | swatikiss | yes |
| 04:53.34 | nanok | swatikiss: try mount -t msdos /dev/sda1 /mnt/something |
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| 04:53.52 | Harley^ | Is Debian Etch using xorg.conf ? Debian Sarge uses XF86Config-4 |
| 04:53.58 | gravity | Harley^: Yes |
| 04:54.00 | swatikiss | nanok, doesn't like that either |
| 04:54.04 | Harley^ | Thank you |
| 04:54.21 | scipher | I'l |
| 04:54.35 | nanok | swatikiss: try again without -t |
| 04:54.47 | nanok | swatikiss: mount should be able to figure out |
| 04:55.02 | nanok | swatikiss: but do specify the mountpoint, so it wont look at fstab |
| 04:55.26 | hammerabi | bear in mind fdisk has no idea what filesystem anything is |
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| 04:55.30 | hammerabi | just ignore whatever it says |
| 04:55.43 | swatikiss | nanok, ok, but it says i must specify the fs type |
| 04:56.21 | nanok | try -t fat fat=16 |
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| 04:56.46 | nanok | but something apears to be wrong, it shouldnt be necesarry.. |
| 04:57.01 | nanok | ok |
| 04:57.01 | hammerabi | swatikiss: sudo file -s /dev/sda1 |
| 04:57.16 | nanok | now i'm really going out for nicotine |
| 04:57.18 | rustifer | swatikiss, what brand of usb drive is it? |
| 04:57.21 | swatikiss | /dev/sda1: x86 boot sector |
| 04:57.25 | dvsdude | hey all using mimms client on debian install but everytime I try to use it on mms://blah my smoothwall reboots any ideas?? |
| 04:57.29 | swatikiss | kingston datatraveler 2.0 |
| 04:57.38 | hammerabi | dvsdude: #smoothwall |
| 04:57.43 | Harley^ | Does Debian Etch for AMD64 netinstall allow for the usage of lvm like Sarge ? |
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| 04:57.56 | rustifer | k i was having similar problem with pny attache, so i'm watching :) |
| 04:58.04 | nanok | Harley^: that -s switch is what i have been craving for a long time |
| 04:58.07 | nanok | uh |
| 04:58.12 | nanok | hammerabi: |
| 04:58.18 | nanok | sorry Harley^ |
| 04:58.26 | swatikiss | rustifer, kinston |
| 04:58.30 | Harley^ | :) |
| 04:58.31 | swatikiss | rustifer, kingston i mean |
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| 04:58.34 | nanok | hammerabi: i'll have to remember that one ;) |
| 04:58.50 | rustifer | swatikiss, gotcha, thanks. |
| 04:59.51 | nanok | swatikiss: any other partitions other than sda1? |
| 05:00.02 | swatikiss | nanok, what do you mean? |
| 05:00.10 | swatikiss | from the fdisk command? no |
| 05:00.11 | nanok | swatikiss: try dmesg, see if that is actually the device you want |
| 05:00.29 | kidtux | firestarter looks like a pretty good front end for netfilter, smoothwall touts itself as being difficult. |
| 05:01.09 | swatikiss | /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: [CUMANA/ADFS] p1<5>Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
| 05:01.46 | nanok | niiiice, it even has a logical partition on it |
| 05:01.47 | ViViD | why isnt dpkg responding to any 'info package' commands??? |
| 05:01.55 | nanok | you know, just for the sake of it.. |
| 05:01.56 | hammerabi | !+ep |
| 05:01.56 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:01.58 | nanok | oh well |
| 05:01.59 | hammerabi | !+info blah |
| 05:02.03 | hammerabi | !+info coreutils |
| 05:02.29 | ViViD | he says updating sometimes, but never gives the info |
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| 05:02.54 | kidtux | !+info pdksh |
| 05:03.18 | ViViD | i just told you guys its not working... |
| 05:03.40 | nanok | swatikiss: are you sure there is a filesystem on that thing?.. |
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| 05:03.59 | kidtux | Well, gotta run... going to axe this Ubuntu install for Debian... so glad it's moved over to xorg. |
| 05:04.02 | swatikiss | nanok, no idea. i am trying to get this mounted for a friend... it isnt mine |
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| 05:05.07 | ViViD | ubuntu provides some things debian doesnt, and debian does some that ubuntu doesnt |
| 05:05.21 | gravity | \o/ |
| 05:05.23 | kidtux | Heh, almost forgot to back up my Diablo II (Cedega) files. |
| 05:06.10 | ViViD | cedega wont run as well under debian |
| 05:06.35 | kidtux | Even under 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:06.50 | ViViD | debian doesnt provide nvidia 7667 drivers |
| 05:07.12 | scipher | bah |
| 05:07.12 | kidtux | Heh...that's no problem... this doesn't have 3D anyway, ATI mobility |
| 05:07.13 | swatikiss | nanok, thanks for your help - i'll mess with this tomorrow |
| 05:07.21 | scipher | misinformation ViViD |
| 05:07.22 | ViViD | only the unstable 8174 in sid and legacy 7174 in etch and sarge |
| 05:07.26 | ke6isf | ViViD: Ask dpkg about nvidia. |
| 05:07.41 | ViViD | ke6isf, he wont respond, its not working |
| 05:08.03 | ke6isf | !tes |
| 05:08.04 | ke6isf | !test |
| 05:08.04 | dpkg | Sorry, ke6isf, I didn't get your test. |
| 05:08.21 | ke6isf | He looks to be live to me. |
| 05:08.22 | ViViD | !+info nvidia-glx etch |
| 05:08.29 | ViViD | but he wont give package information |
| 05:08.46 | ke6isf | the function is probably out. |
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| 05:09.03 | ViViD | nvidia-glx=7174/sarge, etch and 8174/sid |
| 05:09.51 | ke6isf | o/~ Pies jesu domine, dona eis requiem... o/~ |
| 05:10.12 | ViViD | if you want 7667 you have to take it from the maintainers old section in the repository, and create your own kernel module |
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| 05:10.35 | jcarr | how can I check the program version of a pacage before I apt-get it? |
| 05:10.46 | ke6isf | jcarr: apt-cache show pkgname |
| 05:10.50 | jcarr | I want to apt-get install eclipse, but not if it is pre-3.1 |
| 05:10.54 | ViViD | apt-cache showpkg name |
| 05:10.55 | jcarr | thanks |
| 05:11.18 | ke6isf | jcarr: what version of Debian? |
| 05:11.19 | hammerabi | jcarr: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 05:18.54 | Spork_Boy | ok... my usb drive is still not automounting... it seems to be related to hal complaining that it has no info.capabilities. any ideas? |
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| 05:25.53 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: Debian kernel? |
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| 05:26.40 | Spork_Boy | hammerabi: I believe so. or were you asking the version |
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| 05:26.48 | tengulre | hi,all |
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| 05:27.15 | hans0lo | I am trying to run an app with wine. I get fixme:imagehlp:BindImageEx error. I found a website that said to setup wine to use the native imagehlp.dll from win98 - I did this and I still get the error. Anyone have exp in this sort of thing? |
| 05:27.45 | tengulre | I just building a new kernel '2.6.14.2', but my ethernet driver can not autoloaded? why? |
| 05:29.47 | Gnea | tengulre: does it exist? |
| 05:33.22 | ViViD | hans0lo, maybe try a wine channel like #winehq |
| 05:33.30 | Spork_Boy | 2.6.5 |
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| 05:34.33 | hammerabi | debian never shipped with 2.6.5 |
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| 05:34.47 | ViViD | thats correct, sarge comes with 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 05:34.50 | rudenstam | how do I check what group I belong to ? (whoami for group) |
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| 05:35.08 | hammerabi | rudenstam: groups |
| 05:35.16 | rudenstam | ahh |
| 05:35.17 | rudenstam | ty |
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| 05:35.28 | Spork_Boy | hammerabi: then I guess it was custom... will that matter? |
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| 05:37.04 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: of course |
| 05:37.18 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: it may or may not have sufficient features enabled to let auto mounting work |
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| 05:37.30 | Spork_Boy | everything else works just fine |
| 05:37.32 | ViViD | if you didnt compile it with the proper hardware support.. |
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| 05:38.13 | VanDame | cp install_files /var/www/chat |
| 05:38.14 | VanDame | cp: omitting directory `install_files' |
| 05:38.15 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: try a Debian kernel and see if it works |
| 05:38.17 | VanDame | can help me ?? |
| 05:38.26 | Spork_Boy | hammerabi: autofs is just fine... and it loads the modules for the drives... but the mount on hotplug that gnome says it has doesn't work |
| 05:38.28 | hammerabi | VanDame: presumably you want -r? |
| 05:38.42 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: autofs is unrelated to how hotplug/hal/udev/g-v-m work |
| 05:38.49 | VanDame | thanks hammerabi |
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| 05:39.31 | Spork_Boy | hammerabi: ok.. thought so.. but it'd be much easier if I didn't have to put in a new kernel.. any idea what might be missing? |
| 05:39.38 | poh | I recently installed udev and removed hotplug. I need the firmware loader to work with this. If I rmmod ipw2200; invoke-rc.d hotplug restart; modprobe ipw2200, it works. |
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| 05:39.57 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: dozens of things |
| 05:40.00 | ViViD | Spork_Boy, installing a kernel is as simple as apt-get install and a restart |
| 05:40.05 | poh | how do I set up my startup scripts to get hotplug to run before ipw2200 loads? |
| 05:40.09 | hammerabi | it is far far far far far far simpler for you to try a Debian kernel |
| 05:40.53 | ke6isf | In a shell or a perl script, the first line is frequently something like '#!/usr/bin/foo'. Now, a # will comment out a line, so is there something special about the #! combination that tells the shell to not really ignore it? |
| 05:41.02 | rajulocal | I installed mplayer from marillat's repositories. When playing an mpeg file with gmplayer I get the following error "New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Please supple the font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf). But apt-file does not tell me where subfont.ttf is located. What should I do? |
| 05:41.19 | hammerabi | ke6isf: it's not the shell interpreting it |
| 05:41.21 | Spork_Boy | I never got how the packaged kernels know which modules to compile, etc. |
| 05:41.29 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: it compiles everything as a module |
| 05:41.35 | ViViD | Spork_Boy, if your running sarge, just type apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 05:41.36 | ke6isf | hammerabi: what's interpreting that line, thebn? |
| 05:41.39 | hammerabi | rajulocal: likely to not be in Debian |
| 05:41.50 | hammerabi | rajulocal: it's a warning not an error, tho |
| 05:42.02 | ViViD | Spork_Boy, er kenel-image-2.6.8-2-386, its only linux-image under etch/sid |
| 05:42.07 | Spork_Boy | ViViD: will it put in linuxold, just in case? |
| 05:42.12 | hammerabi | ke6isf: I don't know if it's the kernel or the runtime linker |
| 05:42.24 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: if your current kernel was installed with make-kpkg, yes |
| 05:42.25 | GregorR-L | What's the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap |
| 05:42.27 | GregorR-L | ? |
| 05:42.33 | hammerabi | GregorR-L: one is a shell script, one is in C |
| 05:42.34 | ke6isf | !cdebootstrap |
| 05:42.35 | rajulocal | hammerabi: How can I avoid that warning? Whatever it is, it is quite irritating :-) |
| 05:42.43 | ViViD | Spork_Boy, apt will update grub for you, and will auto boot the new one, or you can select any of the older kernels at boot time |
| 05:42.52 | hammerabi | GregorR-L: I believe they can both resolve dependencies now |
| 05:42.58 | ViViD | Spork_Boy, so you really only have to apt-get it, and restart |
| 05:43.04 | GregorR-L | Thanks |
| 05:43.04 | hammerabi | rajulocal: does making that filename a symlink to a random font work? |
| 05:43.21 | Spork_Boy | ViViD: I'm not running grub. I'm running lilo. |
| 05:43.30 | ViViD | Spork_Boy, im sure it will do the same |
| 05:43.46 | rajulocal | hammerabi: That is the solution I found on google. Wont that give obscure problems in future? |
| 05:43.46 | ke6isf | Spork_Boy: The kernel install script will update lilo as well. It's in the 'postinstall' script, if I'm not mistaken. |
| 05:43.48 | ViViD | Spork_Boy, unless youve installed it on some other drive from a different os youre running |
| 05:44.07 | ViViD | Spork_Boy, but if apt installed lilo, then it does all the work |
| 05:44.08 | hammerabi | rajulocal: it will only affect text display by mplayer, afaik (ie no unless you actually use subtitles) |
| 05:44.32 | ViViD | Spork_Boy, apt is great, it makes everything as simple as running one command |
| 05:44.40 | Spork_Boy | ViViD: k.. quick ? I put sarge in like a year or two ago... should I consider etch? hadn't looked at where the versions sit. |
| 05:44.46 | rajulocal | hammerabi: Sometimes I do use subtitles. so this solution does not work for me. |
| 05:44.58 | hammerabi | rajulocal: then set it to a working font |
| 05:45.19 | ViViD | Spork_Boy, that depends on what youre looking for, personally i only use sarge on my servers, and i use sid for personal pcs |
| 05:45.34 | rajulocal | hammerabi: like what? Can you give a name of working font? I do not understand completely sorry. |
| 05:45.50 | ViViD | Spork_Boy, but if you dont _enjoy_ making stuff work, use sarge |
| 05:46.02 | Spork_Boy | ViViD: this one's just me on a ghettobox. |
| 05:46.23 | hammerabi | rajulocal: any font. /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera/Vera.ttf. |
| 05:46.37 | ViViD | Spork_Boy, then stay with sarge and run this cmd 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386' then 'shutdown -r now' |
| 05:46.42 | Spork_Boy | ViViD: don't enjoy it working, or don't enjoy having to make it? z) |
| 05:47.26 | ViViD | Spork_Boy, and apt will print a line like Editing Grub/Lilo config... or something of the sort if it adds the kernel in. |
| 05:47.44 | Spork_Boy | ok.. will try that. |
| 05:49.13 | rajulocal | hammerabi: Thanks. That is working. I hope it will not do bad things for subtitles. |
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| 05:52.35 | Spork_Boy | ok... so what's next if it's not the kernel? |
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| 05:54.02 | hammerabi | have you tried it yet? |
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| 05:55.23 | marccd | which is better, mbox or maildir? |
| 05:55.38 | hammerabi | almost always maildir |
| 05:55.43 | hammerabi | but "better" is always subjective |
| 05:56.22 | marccd | well I am setting up a IMAP server for a few external users which dont have unix accounts in my computer |
| 05:56.27 | Spork_Boy | hammerabi: installing it now |
| 05:56.31 | wolfjb | where can I go to read about the concurrency setting mentioned in /etc/init.d/rc ? the options seem to be none, shell, and startpar (which has a comment about it not working right now) |
| 05:56.41 | marccd | of course I am keeping the IMAP server internally, and only to be accessed through webmail |
| 05:56.54 | hammerabi | marccd: then it doesn't matter which you use |
| 05:56.55 | marccd | so I believe using maildir in /var is better, right hammerabi ? |
| 05:57.08 | hammerabi | except that maildir will handle people reading and getting mail at the same time better |
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| 05:57.16 | marccd | hammerabi: ok, thanks for the advice :) |
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| 05:57.44 | hammerabi | marccd: if you're looking for an imap server, dovecot is quite nice |
| 05:57.52 | marccd | hammerabi: thats what I am using |
| 05:58.22 | hammerabi | good choice then ;) |
| 05:58.48 | marccd | yeah the configuration file is easy to understand, plus there are tutorials around the net http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/275 |
| 05:58.58 | wolfjb | I'm trying to speed up booting, and it would be nice to have concurrent init scripts. I tried minit, but without any success |
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| 05:59.13 | hammerabi | sysvinit does not do parallel init |
| 05:59.26 | hammerabi | I'd be very surprised if parallel init saved time over suspend-to-disk, too |
| 05:59.32 | wolfjb | bummer |
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| 06:00.08 | wolfjb | I haven't got suspend-to-disk to work. |
| 06:00.24 | wolfjb | it seems to suspend, but trying to unsuspend it causes the computer to shut off |
| 06:00.27 | wolfjb | :( |
| 06:01.24 | wolfjb | also tried suspend-to-ram with the same result |
| 06:01.35 | Spork_Boy | jow does the debian kernel know your processor family? |
| 06:02.24 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: by asking it, like every other kernel does |
| 06:02.24 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: if you mean "how does it know what optimised kernel to install?", it doesn't do that |
| 06:03.04 | Spork_Boy | I see that as a distinct disadvantage, btw... esp on a 333. |
| 06:03.14 | hammerabi | good for you |
| 06:03.15 | wolfjb | hammerabi: any suggestions on an init replacement which would do parallel? |
| 06:03.20 | hammerabi | install the -686 kernel if you care |
| 06:03.39 | hammerabi | wolfjb: never tried |
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| 06:04.33 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: you specifically asked apt for the -386 kernel. if you want a different one, ask apt for it. (there are about half a dozen on i386) |
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| 06:08.47 | GregorR-L | "half a dozen": a dozen characters. "six": Half a half a dozen characters |
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| 06:13.50 | darkcmd | how do I update my time via ntp |
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| 06:14.32 | hans0lo | Where is the "debian" menu stored? |
| 06:14.41 | hammerabi | ntpdate -v pool.ntp.org |
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| 06:16.28 | TehBio | Ooooh, I just installed and tried Debian for the first time, it's quite nice. |
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| 06:17.15 | Spork_Boy | still not working, and still says I'm running 2.6.5 |
| 06:18.01 | kingsley | TehBio: Very good. |
| 06:18.05 | stouset | Are there any packages that install ACPI scripts for common laptop things? i.e., closing the screen and having it shut the X display off, or suspend/resume? |
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| 06:18.17 | Spork_Boy | tho I did see something about "requires >= 2.6.8" |
| 06:18.38 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: did you rerun lilo? |
| 06:18.39 | kingsley | stouset: apt-cache search acpi |
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| 06:18.46 | hammerabi | stouset: acpi-support |
| 06:18.50 | Spork_Boy | hammerabi: yes. |
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| 06:19.17 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: /etc/lilo.conf, #flood |
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| 06:23.36 | stouset | hammerabi: acpi-support doesn't exist. |
| 06:23.46 | hammerabi | maybe it's still not in Debian |
| 06:23.52 | hammerabi | get it from ubuntu |
| 06:23.59 | stouset | kingsley: Already done that. Nothing interesting shows up. |
| 06:24.24 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: ls -l /vmlinuz |
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| 06:24.38 | Spork_Boy | hammerabi: probably messy as hell. I barely knew what linux was when I 1st installed this. |
| 06:24.51 | Spork_Boy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1121357 Apr 29 2004 /vmlinuz |
| 06:25.01 | phrontist | how do I uncompress a RAR? |
| 06:25.05 | hammerabi | there you go |
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| 06:25.07 | hammerabi | phrontist: unrar |
| 06:25.12 | Spork_Boy | hrmm.. that's not today. |
| 06:25.21 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: that should be a symlink to /boot/vmlinux-2.6.8.1-whatever |
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| 06:26.39 | liable | phrontist: unrar |
| 06:27.35 | marccd | hammerabi: are you still there? |
| 06:27.43 | Spork_Boy | hammerabi: so I fix this how? |
| 06:28.02 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: by making /vmlinuz be a symlink to the kernel you just installed |
| 06:28.09 | hammerabi | Spork_Boy: or add a new block to the end of lilo.conf for it |
| 06:28.11 | hammerabi | do whatever you want |
| 06:28.12 | hammerabi | marccd: ? |
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| 06:28.32 | emacs-zach | hello |
| 06:28.38 | emacs-zach | how is everybody doing? |
| 06:28.45 | Spork_Boy | hammerabi: any idea where it puts the new one? |
| 06:28.55 | hammerabi | 17:25 < hammerabi> Spork_Boy: that should be a symlink to /boot/vmlinux-2.6.8.1-whatever |
| 06:29.06 | darkcmd | emacs-zach: not bad at all, you? |
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| 06:29.10 | emacs-zach | pretty good :D |
| 06:29.19 | emacs-zach | thanks |
| 06:30.48 | Spork_Boy | ok... trying again |
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| 06:30.57 | marccd | I am trying to set up a mail server (postfix, procmail, dovecot), I have a domain name that effectively points to my server, and sending mail to external servers works (through mail()), I effectively setup my IMAP server (i can login, the user accounts are the same as /etc/passwd), and I set up to default_mail_env = maildir:/var/mail/%u/Maildir (I had a little trouble with perms do), also, postfix is set up as mailbox_command = /us |
| 06:31.16 | thetallcoolone | I have 2 harddisk on my system but it seems that Debian mounted only one, hdb. How can I get hda to mount at startup? |
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| 06:31.29 | marccd | thetallcoolone: edit /etc/fstab |
| 06:32.06 | thetallcoolone | marccd: and just add on the line for hda? |
| 06:32.07 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: specifically, copy the line for the existing one and change the device and mount point fields |
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| 06:32.24 | marccd | thetallcoolone: something like /dev/hdb /mnt/whatever filesystem defaults defaults,errors=remount-ro, or just copy the line for hda |
| 06:32.28 | hammerabi | marccd: your question was truncated |
| 06:33.11 | marccd | hammerabi: really?, see http://pastebin.com/483817 |
| 06:34.14 | marccd | hammerabi: added to that, when I try to send mail to a unix user by mail(), postfix says it was sent ok to marccd@localhost, but when I login as marccd and check mail, it doesnt show any mails |
| 06:34.22 | hammerabi | marccd: tail -f /var/log/mail.log |
| 06:34.27 | Muralidharan | I have been using fc series from june 2004. A week ago i installed debian, during installation i choose display driver as s3, since my display card is s3 though the defualt it choose was vesa. I should gone with the default. Now X won't start. How can change the display driver alone with debian. I have latest stable releasse of debian. |
| 06:34.29 | hammerabi | then send yourself a mail from somewhere else |
| 06:34.32 | marccd | I believe I am having a problem with procmail, or mailboxes, ok let me see that |
| 06:34.43 | hammerabi | Muralidharan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 06:34.51 | marccd | hammerabi: yeah, I did that (see pastebin question) and it did not work, let me check the log |
| 06:34.58 | Muralidharan | ok |
| 06:34.59 | hammerabi | Muralidharan: there's no reason to get procmail involved for something so simple |
| 06:35.09 | hammerabi | Muralidharan: or xserver-xfree86 if it's sarge |
| 06:35.38 | Shadda | hmmm....haven't run upgrade in quite a while |
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| 06:36.04 | marccd | hammerabi: ahh, i am using dyndns for my hostname, and it gives me Relay access denied |
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| 06:36.23 | hammerabi | marccd: what is your domain name? |
| 06:36.30 | marccd | hammerabi: thats probably it, DynDns not handling mail relaying |
| 06:36.35 | marccd | hammerabi: jardinpresente.com.ar |
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| 06:37.32 | hammerabi | marccd: no, that is not your problem |
| 06:37.43 | hammerabi | marccd: also, #ubuntu |
| 06:37.51 | hammerabi | marccd: (and you have mail) |
| 06:38.30 | marccd | hammerabi: I just logined as marccd, checked mail() and mutt (imap dovecot), and nothing |
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| 06:38.40 | hammerabi | marccd: root has mail |
| 06:39.07 | Muralidharan | hammerabi: says xserver-xorg is not installed |
| 06:39.09 | hammerabi | as I said, read your logs |
| 06:39.12 | hammerabi | 17:34 < hammerabi> Muralidharan: or xserver-xfree86 if it's sarge |
| 06:39.46 | Muralidharan | the debian ver is 3.1 |
| 06:39.50 | marccd | marccd: I believe mail sent to root goes to marccd, at least i told postfix so |
| 06:39.54 | hammerabi | marccd: which is sarge |
| 06:40.01 | hammerabi | marccd: a) read your logs, b) #ubuntu |
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| 06:40.25 | marccd | hammerabi: sorry, I tried ubuntu on that server, but I use debian |
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| 06:41.15 | hammerabi | anyway, it's capable of receiving mail |
| 06:41.24 | hammerabi | that CNAME crap you have may or may not be legal, I don't know |
| 06:41.29 | marccd | hammerabi: ok, let me see, then its a problem with procmail |
| 06:41.34 | roby | I am using testing, would like OpenOffice 2 instead of 1.1.4, is section 3.8 (having a mixed system) the way to go? |
| 06:41.45 | marccd | hammerabi: well yeah its a domain name, cnamed to a dyndns (Im cheap) |
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| 06:41.58 | hammerabi | marccd: which is fine, but an A record would be better |
| 06:42.04 | roby | section 3.8 of apt-howto that is |
| 06:42.04 | nm | how do show subtitle on xine (i use sarge) ? |
| 06:42.17 | hammerabi | marccd: http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=jardinpresente.com.ar. |
| 06:42.19 | thetallcoolone | what is the easiest way to edit a file (like fstab) that need root permission to write? |
| 06:42.19 | Muralidharan | what should i enter for video card bus identifier. I am on a intel p3 m/c |
| 06:42.25 | hammerabi | Muralidharan: leave it blank |
| 06:42.32 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: sudo nano /etc/fstab |
| 06:42.39 | marccd | hammerabi: hold on, I am still on the email issue |
| 06:42.43 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: or "su", then nano /etc/fstab |
| 06:42.43 | thetallcoolone | TY |
| 06:43.11 | hammerabi | roby: finding packages for testing would be simpler, perhaps #debian-oo knows of some |
| 06:43.11 | liable | roby: or find a backport would probably be the best bet. |
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| 06:43.30 | UltraSub | does anybody know why eth devices are switched after compiling a new kernel the first time? After netinstall external is eth0 here, and after the first recompile, it is switched to eth1. I see this behaviour every time I build a new kernel for the first time. Am I missing something here? |
| 06:44.00 | hammerabi | PCI probe order is not guaranteed |
| 06:44.08 | hammerabi | if you care, install ifrename and set them by mac address |
| 06:44.21 | hammerabi | switching on every compile is very odd, however |
| 06:44.23 | phrontist | how do I delete all files that don't contain a certain string? |
| 06:44.35 | hammerabi | phrontist: carefully |
| 06:44.38 | marccd | hammerabi: no, I am not receiving anything, neither in /var/mail/marccd or in my home, everything seems to be configured right |
| 06:44.46 | phrontist | just in one directory... |
| 06:44.52 | hammerabi | marccd: which is of no use without log snippets in #flood |
| 06:44.55 | phrontist | I mean in the filename |
| 06:45.05 | hammerabi | oh, in the filename |
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| 06:45.12 | marccd | hammerabi: a snippet: 23D6D5BB8E: to=<marccd@jardinpresente.com.ar>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/bin/procmail -a "$USER") |
| 06:45.14 | hammerabi | echo *~*string* |
| 06:45.19 | phrontist | so I have two sets of wav files, ones that are in the form CONV*.wav and ones that are just *.wav |
| 06:45.24 | roby | hammerabi: liable: thanks |
| 06:45.46 | hammerabi | phrontist: that may be zsh-specific |
| 06:46.02 | Muralidharan | how do i enable numlock by default with X |
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| 06:46.10 | hammerabi | Muralidharan: depends |
| 06:46.16 | hammerabi | there's no single way |
| 06:46.24 | Muralidharan | should i install a package |
| 06:46.27 | hammerabi | no |
| 06:46.33 | hammerabi | you should tell us more about what you mean |
| 06:46.36 | Muralidharan | should i edit conf file |
| 06:46.37 | hammerabi | e.g. if you use gnome or not |
| 06:46.39 | sabin | is there a way to bring back up that dialog from installation that asks me to add more mirrors for apt |
| 06:46.39 | sabin | ? |
| 06:46.41 | hammerabi | lordy |
| 06:46.46 | hammerabi | sabin: no |
| 06:46.48 | hammerabi | sabin: apt-setup |
| 06:46.50 | hammerabi | sabin: or apt-spy |
| 06:47.05 | Muralidharan | yes i use gnome. |
| 06:47.08 | postel | Is mysqld broken in sid? |
| 06:47.20 | hammerabi | postel: if it was, there would be a bug report open |
| 06:47.27 | hammerabi | Muralidharan: look in the preferences |
| 06:47.39 | Muralidharan | ok |
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| 06:48.32 | Muralidharan | what is the duff betwenn ps/2 & ImPS/2 |
| 06:48.41 | Muralidharan | sorry diff or difference |
| 06:49.43 | Muralidharan | i have a samsung optical mouse whichh should i choose? it connect thro ps/2 connecttor |
| 06:50.35 | jm_ | does it have a wheel? |
| 06:50.40 | marccd | hammerabi: any ideas? I dont understand why I cant read my emails, since they get here.. |
| 06:50.52 | Muralidharan | yes |
| 06:50.56 | hammerabi | marccd: undo whatever you did to enable procmail |
| 06:51.06 | marccd | hammerabi: procmail is not needed? |
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| 06:51.08 | thetallcoolone | I have 3 partition on my hda. Linux EXT3, SWAP and Linux. What is the line to put in fstab for the linux only partition? |
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| 06:51.41 | hammerabi | marccd: meh |
| 06:51.43 | sporkboy | okay... now gnome doesn't even load. |
| 06:51.49 | hammerabi | marccd: the default postfix config would have worked fine |
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| 06:51.52 | jm_ | then use ExplorerPS/2 if you're using 2.6 kernel and everything works fine, otherwise go gor ImPS/2 |
| 06:51.53 | UltraSub | hammerabi: it doesnt switch on every recompile, just the first time after installing scratch kernel |
| 06:51.59 | hammerabi | unpicking what you did is not something I'm going to spend time on |
| 06:52.11 | jm_ | theallc;you already have an entry for / |
| 06:52.12 | hammerabi | UltraSub: ok |
| 06:52.16 | jm_ | thetallcoolone ^^^^^^ |
| 06:52.16 | hammerabi | a |
| 06:52.19 | Muralidharan | ok i am selecting ImPS/2 |
| 06:52.30 | thetallcoolone | jm_: yes |
| 06:52.47 | UltraSub | hammerabi: I first thought it was because of 2.4 to 2.6, but now i installed 2.6 scratch, and damn it did it again after a recompile to 2.6.14 :) |
| 06:52.50 | jm_ | thetallcoolone: so copy it and modify it for the other partition |
| 06:53.16 | hammerabi | UltraSub: ok, as above, pci probe order is arbitrary. use ifrename if you want it to be stable. |
| 06:53.18 | sporkboy | hammerabi: I made the link, it booted 2.6.8, and now gnome won't load. |
| 06:53.32 | UltraSub | hammerabi: ok thanks! |
| 06:53.32 | marccd | hammerabi: ok, there we go, without procmail, I did a local mail to marccd@localhost, and it saved it in /var/mail/marccd |
| 06:54.13 | hammerabi | sporkboy: great |
| 06:54.22 | hammerabi | sporkboy: I can't possibly guess what happened with that amount of information |
| 06:54.25 | hammerabi | marccd: great |
| 06:54.42 | thetallcoolone | jm_: I have hda1 as an ext3 type. It matches what cfdisk tells me. I do the same line for hda6 that cfdisk tells me only linux as type? |
| 06:55.11 | sporkboy | hammerabi: what info do u need? |
| 06:55.20 | jm_ | thetallcoolone: these are two different types, use whichever fs type matches the actual fs on hda6 |
| 06:55.34 | jm_ | thetallcoolone: that is, use this in fstab |
| 06:55.57 | marccd | hammerabi: ok I tried sending a mail from gmail to my host, and it worked |
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| 06:56.45 | thetallcoolone | jm_:cfdisk tells me hda1 as Linux EXT3 and hda6 as Linux, no EXT3. Is it the same? |
| 06:57.29 | marccd | hammerabi: ok, now I am unsure, (Im new to all of these mail stuff), what should I set for default_mail_env in Dovecot, mbox, or maildir? (Its supposed to read it right?) |
| 06:58.06 | jm_ | thetallcoolone: did you already create a file system on hda6? |
| 06:58.22 | sporkboy | This is why I named the computer after Gir. *nods slowly* |
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| 06:59.20 | thetallcoolone | jm_:I thought I did when I partitioned at install time. I guess I did something wrong as hda is my primary disk but Debian boots from hdb, my secondary disk. |
| 07:00.01 | jm_ | thetallcoolone: then try this -- mount -r /dev/hda6 /mnt |
| 07:01.36 | thetallcoolone | jm_:it tells me to specify a filesystem. I assume there's none on hda6 then. |
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| 07:02.05 | jm_ | thetallcoolone: right, so I suppose you should do that first, just make sure that is true and that you won't lose any data |
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| 07:03.31 | thetallcoolone | jm_:it's a blank partition. No other OS on this PC. So how do I go about formatting in Linux? |
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| 07:03.41 | jm_ | thetallcoolone: you use mkfs |
| 07:03.46 | Muralidharan | Thanks everybody, i now have X up & running. esp hammerabi |
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| 07:05.05 | thetallcoolone | jm_:TY |
| 07:05.12 | marccd | hammerabi: I got it; thank you for your patience with me :) |
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| 07:09.05 | user_ | mm, can someone help me wiht fixing my filesystem? seems like my swap is gone or something.... here is what i see in dmesg.. kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds |
| 07:09.05 | user_ | EXT3-fs warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended |
| 07:09.05 | user_ | EXT3 FS on dm-0, internal journal |
| 07:09.05 | user_ | EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. |
| 07:09.05 | user_ | swap_dup: Bad swap file entry 901e0d70 |
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| 07:09.20 | user_ | whoops. sorry about that |
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| 07:10.36 | user_ | that was odd, i did check that i got right stuff in the buffer... sorry :( here is log from dmesg, looks like my swap is gone or something, can someone hlep me fix that? Ion is a window mannager.. http://rafb.net/paste/results/SjvEDP49.html |
| 07:11.58 | hammerabi | looks a lot like damaged swap partiton |
| 07:12.09 | user_ | hammerabi yeah, that's what i figured |
| 07:12.42 | user_ | hammerabi i'm not very good at the hard disk utilities, so i thought somebody might help me, with walking through reformatting swap |
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| 07:13.11 | hammerabi | that's unlikely to help |
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| 07:13.18 | hammerabi | but 'swapoff /dev/whatever' |
| 07:13.30 | hammerabi | 'mkswap /dev/whatever' |
| 07:13.32 | kapil | user_: 'mkswap -c /dev/whatever' |
| 07:13.34 | hammerabi | 'swapon /dev/whatever' |
| 07:13.39 | user_ | hammerabi the reformating not gonna help? |
| 07:14.13 | hammerabi | user_: if it's corrupted, something has gone terribly wrong |
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| 07:16.28 | user_ | hammerabi hrm.. this is what my kernel log says about swap: Dec 30 01:14:13 siberia kernel: Adding 586332k swap on /dev/hda6. Priority:-1 extents:1 |
| 07:16.43 | hammerabi | that's you running swapon just now? |
| 07:16.49 | hammerabi | I have no idea what time zone you are in |
| 07:16.49 | nekostar | hey know anything about making ASS soft subs work in linux? |
| 07:16.55 | nekostar | mplayer/vlc FAIL |
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| 07:17.24 | user_ | hammerabi sorry, no, that form the logs, earlier today |
| 07:17.45 | user_ | s/form/from/ |
| 07:17.47 | hammerabi | ok |
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| 07:18.04 | hammerabi | that just means someone ran swapon at some point |
| 07:18.06 | user_ | hammerabi after the swapon i get: Adding 586332k swap on /dev/hda6. Priority:-2 extents:1 |
| 07:18.14 | sander | why do I get "Fatal: open /boot/map: No such file or directory" when running lilo? |
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| 07:18.18 | marccd | /usr/sbin/sendmail works as an alias for other MTs? |
| 07:18.23 | hammerabi | yes |
| 07:18.31 | hammerabi | all MTAs provide /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 07:18.36 | marccd | k |
| 07:18.39 | user_ | hammerabi would you happen to know what are the priority levels are? |
| 07:18.49 | user_ | hammerabi or hte manpage to look into? |
| 07:18.59 | hammerabi | it's just a normal priority |
| 07:19.11 | user_ | hammerabi -1 or -2? :) |
| 07:19.12 | hammerabi | from highest to lowest, moving on to the next as each fills up |
| 07:19.22 | hammerabi | dude, run 'swapon -s' |
| 07:19.44 | user_ | hammerabi sorry, i wasn't aware of the swtich |
| 07:19.47 | user_ | switch* |
| 07:19.51 | hammerabi | 'tis fine |
| 07:19.55 | hammerabi | presumably you have two now? |
| 07:20.25 | user_ | hammerabi nope, only one listed, with priority -2, and used 0 |
| 07:20.31 | kristalino | i look for a TNT decoder linux compatible |
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| 07:21.18 | hammerabi | how odd |
| 07:21.25 | hammerabi | oh well, doesn't matter if you only have one |
| 07:21.42 | sander | I just got another error msg from lilo now.. |
| 07:21.44 | user_ | hammerabi thanks |
| 07:21.54 | sander | Reading boot sector from /dev/hda.. and then it just halts |
| 07:22.10 | hammerabi | sander: and what does "dmesg" say? |
| 07:22.46 | sander | ouch.. seems like I got some kinda kernel panic.. or something |
| 07:23.05 | sander | ReiserFS: hda1: warning: zam-7001: io error in reiserfs_find_entry |
| 07:23.06 | hammerabi | yay |
| 07:23.12 | sander | REISERFS: panic (device hda1): journal-003: journal_end: j_start (1704) is too high |
| 07:23.12 | hammerabi | no, that's dis fuckage |
| 07:23.34 | sander | and then it comes a kernel bug: kernel BUG at fs/reiserfs/prints.c:362! |
| 07:23.45 | hammerabi | yay reiserfs |
| 07:24.12 | sander | well.. i've just manage to boot up debian.. with debootstrap |
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| 07:24.34 | sander | into /dev/hda2.. but now I copied hda2 to hda1.. (the old root fs).. |
| 07:24.42 | sander | and then I got that msg.. |
| 07:24.49 | hammerabi | yay reiserfs |
| 07:25.05 | hammerabi | anyway, without the full error, I'd assume the disk is fucked |
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| 07:25.53 | sander | hammerabi, well.. i'm not using reiserfs filesystem... even |
| 07:26.03 | hammerabi | if you say so |
| 07:26.17 | sander | hammerabi, get into #flood.. and i'll show the full msg |
| 07:26.18 | hammerabi | if you want any useful comments, you need to put the output of "mount" and "dmesg" somewhere |
| 07:26.20 | thetallcoolone | still need some help with mounting my hda. In fstab, I guess I have to specify a mount point other than just / for those partitions that are not root, right? |
| 07:26.27 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: yes |
| 07:27.15 | hammerabi | 18:26 < sander> attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 07:27.20 | hammerabi | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.22 | idealbsd | i install mydms in debian/sid, but got the errors in the first steps:"Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /usr/share/php/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 347" any ideas? |
| 07:27.25 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi: can it be just about anything after the /É |
| 07:27.40 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: if the dir you're mounting it on exists, yes |
| 07:28.10 | sander | hammerabi, ok.. i'll check it out |
| 07:28.16 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi: that's my problem, it doesn't exist. How do I create one? |
| 07:28.23 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: mkdir /whatever |
| 07:28.30 | hammerabi | unix is really really really simple |
| 07:28.34 | hammerabi | a mountpoint is a directory |
| 07:28.37 | hammerabi | no magic whatsoever |
| 07:28.45 | sander | hammerabi, ok.. think I found out why.. |
| 07:28.57 | hammerabi | sander: I would make sure you have backups of anything you care about on the disk |
| 07:29.11 | sander | hammerabi, yep.. I have |
| 07:29.11 | hammerabi | sander: you didn't show us the output of "mount", either |
| 07:29.23 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi: TY! I'm learning all this. |
| 07:29.44 | sander | hammerabi, let me try to use dd to copy everything again.. think I found the bug |
| 07:30.35 | hammerabi | using dd to copy a disk is usually a bad idea |
| 07:30.48 | sander | just one partition |
| 07:30.49 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi: so the proper command would be "mkdir /dev/hdaX/whatever"? |
| 07:30.57 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: no, not at all |
| 07:31.01 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: mkdir /whatever |
| 07:31.08 | sander | hammerabi, the best way when moving the root partition back in place |
| 07:31.11 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: the mountpoint and the device are completely unrelated |
| 07:31.48 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi: but how do I tell it to create the dir in hdaX? |
| 07:32.02 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: that's not what you were asking |
| 07:32.26 | jm_ | thetallcoolone: directories are created on filesystems, not on block devices |
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| 07:33.24 | jm_ | well in the end it does write it on the block device, but that's kernel doing it for you |
| 07:33.35 | plagerism | Anyone know much about SATA drives? I am currently finding that burning from my SATA drive to my PATA dvd burner, is slower than when I was burning from my PATA drive to the same dvd burner? Anyone experiencing similar problems?? Or know of a solution? |
| 07:33.45 | plagerism | I have read a lot of posts saying that removing ide_generic from the kernel(allowing libata to handle the burner) may help, but nothing definative |
| 07:34.08 | jm_ | plagerism: libata doesn't handle ATAPI devices unless you have a very recent version of it |
| 07:34.25 | glueoz | how do i list what ports are running on my machine ? |
| 07:34.26 | plagerism | I am currently running 2.6.14-5 |
| 07:34.34 | glueoz | or what services are running on which ports |
| 07:34.37 | plagerism | jm_ any other possible solutions?? |
| 07:34.42 | jm_ | 2.6.14 doesn't have it, 2.6.15 will |
| 07:34.49 | hammerabi | glueoz: that's not a useful question, but "sudo netstat -plnt" will show processes listening on tcp ports |
| 07:34.51 | liable | hrm, didnt i read somewhere that you need ide-generic? |
| 07:34.57 | jm_ | plagerism: how slow is it? |
| 07:35.00 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi:it is a bit confusing now. I just edited fstab to mount hda. In fstab I need to specify a mountpoint other than "/". Do I have to create "/whatever" before specifying it in fstab? |
| 07:35.14 | plagerism | jm_ half the burn speed from before |
| 07:35.15 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: yes, I said "mkdir /whatever" 3 times now |
| 07:35.23 | plagerism | jm_ possibly more |
| 07:35.29 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: you mount a block device onto a directory, then completely forget the block device exists |
| 07:35.32 | jm_ | plagerism: well can you give me absolute number? |
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| 07:35.49 | plagerism | jm_ it burned at 8 times before, and now it burns at 2 times |
| 07:36.02 | jm_ | plagerism: which tool are you using for burning? |
| 07:36.21 | plagerism | jm_, although new media is being used too. I use growisofs |
| 07:36.21 | wolaoye | re-starting session is no help. |
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| 07:36.40 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi:I guess it show I'm from the MS world. I think I understand now. Will do the mkdir and see what happens. |
| 07:36.47 | idealbsd | i install mydms in debian/sid, but got the errors in the first steps:"Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /usr/share/php/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 347" any ideas? |
| 07:37.02 | jm_ | plagerism: does dvd+rw-mediainfo show speeds higher than 2x are supported? |
| 07:37.11 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: it is far less complicated than you think, and soon you'll go "it's SO simple" ;) |
| 07:37.20 | user_ | idealbsd check phpinfo() for mysql extensions |
| 07:38.36 | plagerism | jm_ no its not Write Performance: 2.0x1385=2770KB/s@[0 -> 2298495] |
| 07:38.40 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi:Yeah, well, we'll see about how soon enough I'll say that. :) |
| 07:38.45 | plagerism | jm_ the disks are rated for 8x |
| 07:38.49 | jm_ | plagerism: is that the only speeds that it lists? |
| 07:38.59 | idealbsd | user_, ok, thanks |
| 07:39.18 | sander | hammerabi, ok.. now i'm more certen I did everything as it should have been done |
| 07:39.26 | sander | check the pastes in #flood |
| 07:39.26 | plagerism | jm_ yes all I see is a bunch of 2.0x |
| 07:40.02 | plagerism | jm_ you mean Write Speed #0: 2.0x1385=2770KB/s |
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| 07:40.09 | plagerism | jm_ it only shows one |
| 07:40.39 | wolaoye | after upgrading to kde3.4, i can't login as root from kde login window. is this a feature of 3.4? |
| 07:40.59 | hammerabi | that's a feature of all sane login managers |
| 07:41.14 | jm_ | plagerism: hmm I'll boot Knoppix on my new machine now and check what it reports here |
| 07:41.15 | user_ | wolaoye you shouldn't work as root, it is a very BAD habbit |
| 07:41.24 | wolaoye | 3.3 allows me to do that. |
| 07:41.36 | wolaoye | root needs gui too. |
| 07:41.53 | user_ | wolaoye export your xauthorities... will get gui |
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| 07:42.03 | hammerabi | wolaoye: no, that's not the case |
| 07:42.24 | sander | hammerabi, got my problem? |
| 07:42.30 | hammerabi | sander: no |
| 07:42.37 | nima | what is a good packet scanner? |
| 07:42.42 | wolaoye | don't u guys think root needs gui, |
| 07:42.45 | hammerabi | what is a "packet scanner"? |
| 07:42.47 | sander | hammerabi, when I type lilo -v -v it all just hangs |
| 07:42.48 | hammerabi | wolaoye: no, not at all |
| 07:42.50 | user_ | nima packet scanner? |
| 07:42.55 | nima | sniffer |
| 07:42.59 | plagerism | jm_ I think its just the media |
| 07:43.03 | hammerabi | nima: and your goal is to do...? |
| 07:43.13 | sander | hammerabi, it hangs no the msg: Reading boot sector from /dev/hda |
| 07:43.16 | hammerabi | sander: partition table changes require reboots |
| 07:43.20 | hammerabi | usually |
| 07:43.23 | user_ | nima there plenty. ethereal, tcpdump, etc... apt-cache ;) |
| 07:43.25 | nima | view the contents of packets, hammerabi |
| 07:43.30 | hammerabi | nima: ethereal |
| 07:43.35 | sander | hammerabi, ok.. i'll just reboot then |
| 07:43.41 | nima | thanks |
| 07:43.42 | plagerism | jm_ I just find it odd that I have three different types and two of them rated for 8x would only burn at two times |
| 07:43.52 | wolaoye | hammerabi: when i was using kde3.3, i was able to login as root. |
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| 07:44.20 | plagerism | jm_ but I checked the third and it has write Speed #0: 8.0x1385=11080KB/s |
| 07:44.22 | hammerabi | wolaoye: great, but it's still a bad idea |
| 07:44.32 | fooz | all the X window managers piss me off in some way.. what a drag |
| 07:44.34 | wolaoye | does that mean i cannot use konqueror as root? |
| 07:44.40 | hammerabi | fooz: even ion3? |
| 07:44.41 | liable | wolaoye: try gksu if you really need to run gui stuff as root. |
| 07:44.45 | jm_ | plagerism: does that one burn at higher speed? |
| 07:44.45 | fooz | yep |
| 07:44.48 | fooz | especially that one |
| 07:44.55 | hammerabi | ion3 annoys me less than any other I've tried |
| 07:44.59 | user_ | wolaoye export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority |
| 07:45.01 | fooz | well it doesn't do much.. |
| 07:45.03 | glueoz | how do you search for services running on UDP ports ? |
| 07:45.07 | fooz | like it hardly manages windows |
| 07:45.11 | fooz | :) |
| 07:45.12 | hammerabi | glueoz: man netstat |
| 07:45.13 | user_ | wolaoye then run your conquerror |
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| 07:45.18 | hammerabi | fooz: it keeps them from overlapping |
| 07:45.24 | hammerabi | which, it turns out, is all I want in a wm |
| 07:45.26 | user_ | glueoz using netstat |
| 07:45.30 | fooz | i like overlapping.. i don't run 8 1600x1200 screens |
| 07:45.31 | hammerabi | ymmv, of course |
| 07:45.32 | plagerism | jm_ havent tried it yet. but I am assuming it will. Man all this time searching because of mislabeled disk. The guy that sold it to them even said it would burn at 8x cause they have used them before |
| 07:45.57 | fooz | i go for classic in a window manager |
| 07:45.58 | jm_ | plagerism: might be worth checking what other tools report on other machines, if you have access to any |
| 07:46.15 | hammerabi | fooz: you should write an emacs wm in elisp |
| 07:46.22 | plagerism | jm_ any suggestions on tools?? I have vmware |
| 07:46.24 | fooz | emacs has a window manager built in |
| 07:46.34 | user_ | hammerabi that will prvoe emacs is a operating system rather then a text editor ;) |
| 07:46.50 | jm_ | plagerism: with Windows installed? |
| 07:46.52 | hammerabi | user_: if you configure emacs to mount filesystems, you can boot into it instead of init |
| 07:46.55 | plagerism | jm_ yes |
| 07:47.13 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi:mkdir worked, of course. but now when I try to view the directories I just created (in Konqueror) it tells me "only root can mount". I feel like there's something wrong in my fstab. |
| 07:47.15 | fooz | there are PC-compatible fully Lisp operating systems.. no need for emacs |
| 07:47.27 | fooz | no C code whatsoever inside |
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| 07:47.48 | hammerabi | how do you boot them then? |
| 07:47.56 | hammerabi | compiled lisp? |
| 07:48.03 | jm_ | plagerism: I think Nero lets you choose only detected speeds in the burn dialog |
| 07:48.04 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: depends on the filesystem |
| 07:48.04 | fooz | yeah, most every lisp is compiled. |
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| 07:48.59 | user_ | fooz i suppose it is all about tail optimized recursion ,and macroes? ;) |
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| 07:49.22 | tengulre11 | hi,all |
| 07:49.27 | fooz | huh? it's not all about anything.. most lisps come with those features because they're nice to have |
| 07:49.35 | fooz | http://common-lisp.net/project/movitz/ |
| 07:49.51 | user_ | fooz nvm :) |
| 07:49.52 | wolaoye | i am having problem logging in as root. when i try to run synaptic from the kde menu, a login window appears. but it can't accept any input. the icon uses the command 'gksu -u ..." |
| 07:50.14 | tengulre11 | I just building a new kernel and version is 2.6.14.4, but my ethernet driver 'eepro100.ko' can not autoloaded ? |
| 07:50.20 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi:you mean the TYPE? |
| 07:50.26 | fooz | i'm using XFCE4 right now, it's quite nice except for a few gotchas |
| 07:50.27 | plagerism | jm_ okay thank you, as long as its not a huge problem like I had originally suspected, I can put my mind at ease, and finally go to bed. Thank you so much my eyes appreciate it |
| 07:50.28 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: yes |
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| 07:50.42 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi:EXT2 or EXT3 |
| 07:51.19 | fooz | its general unconfigurability, its lousy file manager, and that its window manager puts in little spaces between auto-placed windows instead of putting them right up against each other (which bugs a lot for some reason) |
| 07:51.33 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: then use "chmod" on the mounted filesystem to give you access to it |
| 07:51.38 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: ie chmod 755 /whatever |
| 07:52.47 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi:will that make the change permanent? |
| 07:52.57 | hammerabi | yes |
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| 07:53.22 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi:cool! thanks a lot for your patience. |
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| 07:56.51 | wolaoye | user_: that export to .Xauthority command has to be run as su? |
| 07:56.55 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi:chmod didn't seems to work. I still get the error "only root can mount". |
| 07:57.29 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: ignore that |
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| 07:57.54 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: do not bother with the gui at all until this is fixed |
| 07:57.57 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: ls -ld /whatever |
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| 07:59.22 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi:this is what I get with ls -ld: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-12-30 02:42 /music |
| 07:59.48 | hammerabi | that's fine, your user can read that dir now |
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| 08:00.20 | glueoz | i can't seem to find in man netstat how to list the UDP ports running on a specific ip address |
| 08:00.30 | hammerabi | -u + grep |
| 08:00.43 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: did you want anyone to be able to write to it, too? |
| 08:01.59 | jm_ | thetallcoolone: user or users option in fstab lets users mount it |
| 08:02.00 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi: well yes. It will eventually be a folder to be fully accessible by all. |
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| 08:02.27 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: chmod 777 /music |
| 08:02.27 | jm_ | directory, not folder |
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| 08:03.29 | thetallcoolone | jm_: yes, I.m still abit mixed up with these terms. |
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| 08:03.57 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi: this is the line I have in fstab: /dev/hda6 /music ext2 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 08:04.11 | fooz | i like the new KDE but it doesn't support dualhead which is pretty retarded.. |
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| 08:04.13 | hammerabi | that's fine |
| 08:04.26 | hammerabi | kwin still doesn't do xinerama properly? |
| 08:04.32 | fooz | i didn't say xinerama |
| 08:04.34 | theacolyte | Just intalled webadmin via apt-get I can't access it externally, error 403 forbidden, anything I need to know, acl's or something set |
| 08:04.44 | fooz | xinerama works fine.. that's just one giant X desktop; nothing to support there |
| 08:04.58 | hammerabi | fooz: it needs to not position centered dialogs across the border |
| 08:05.02 | fooz | it doesn't support straight up, X-been-doing-it-for-over-10-years dualhead |
| 08:05.32 | fooz | or it supports it half-way |
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| 08:05.50 | hammerabi | what's the old dual-head method? two X servers? |
| 08:06.10 | fooz | no. one server, two heads.. same exact setup as a xinerama setup, except you fail to turn xinerama on |
| 08:06.19 | jm_ | no, two screen sections |
| 08:06.33 | fooz | you get two independent displays, :0.0 and :0.1 |
| 08:06.35 | hammerabi | so you get :0.0 and :0.1? |
| 08:06.37 | hammerabi | hm |
| 08:06.39 | jm_ | right |
| 08:06.52 | hammerabi | what does 'DISPLAY=:0 xterm' get you? |
| 08:06.58 | fooz | most WMs will notice two heads and just fork and run twice, one per each $DISPLAY |
| 08:07.12 | fooz | which is .. crappy but acceptable for basic support |
| 08:07.18 | darkness- | Hi, looking at my hosts config i can see the following. Is this normal? hosts: FF00:0 ip6-mcastprefix, FE00:0 ip6-localhost, FF02:2 - allrouters. |
| 08:07.31 | fooz | hammerabi, the first display will show the xterm |
| 08:07.32 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi: but how come I can get into the / inth gui and not into /music or the other directory I just created? |
| 08:07.33 | hammerabi | darkness-: yes |
| 08:07.49 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: no idea, you have permission to do so |
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| 08:08.30 | hammerabi | fooz: and applications start on whatever display you start them, and cannot move? |
| 08:08.34 | hammerabi | (module xmove or whatever) |
| 08:08.40 | fooz | hammerabi, yep |
| 08:08.51 | thetallcoolone | hammerabi: maybe a reboot is needed? |
| 08:08.51 | darkness- | Hammerabi: So if my interface on eth0 is up and configured okay. I can ping localhost and 192.168.0.1 which is the gw to my router, yet i can't reach 192.168.0.1 via web browser or access the internet? |
| 08:08.55 | fooz | which is fine with me.. xinerama is annoying and kills DRI |
| 08:08.57 | hammerabi | so it's functionally identical to two X servers? |
| 08:09.01 | hammerabi | darkness-: unrelated |
| 08:09.05 | fooz | hammerabi, except the mouse and keyboard goes between them :) |
| 08:09.06 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: no, never |
| 08:09.10 | hammerabi | fooz: hah, right |
| 08:09.22 | jm_ | you can use x2x for that with two servers |
| 08:09.23 | darkness- | hammerabi: Any ideas? |
| 08:09.40 | fooz | Anyway.. E forks off another E and forgets any settings you save on teh 2nd head.. but otherwise works |
| 08:09.43 | hammerabi | darkness-: "gw to my router" = "gw"? |
| 08:09.48 | hammerabi | hah, go E |
| 08:10.14 | fooz | XFCE4 fully supports them both.. it starts off with two identical configs, but saves changes per each.. you want a different panel and background on the 2nd head, that works fine |
| 08:10.32 | darkness- | hamnerabi, my router listens on 192.168.0.1. |
| 08:10.39 | hammerabi | thetallcoolone: can you cd to /music in a shell? |
| 08:10.47 | fooz | GNOME sticks a blank taskbar and only lets you configure one background anyhow (GNOME seems to be made for the no-button-mouse crowd) |
| 08:11.00 | hammerabi | darkness-: "gw to my router" = "ip address of my router"? |
| 08:11.13 | hammerabi | darkness-: can other machines on the network access the web server? |
| 08:11.53 | darkness- | hammerabi, btw everything was working fine for about a year. All went wrong last week when i apt-get update which i'm sure updated the kernel on sarge. |
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| 08:12.15 | fooz | KDE gives the 2nd head a panel, but things only work intermittently on it. Whereas changing a setting in the control panel and clicking 'Apply' makes the change immediately apparent in your programs on the first head, on the 2nd that doesn't happen.. have to restart KDE (and they conveniently provided no "Restart" button anywhere like every other WM has since FVWM) |
| 08:12.16 | darkness- | hammerabi. Only this computer is on the lam. |
| 08:12.33 | hammerabi | darkness-: sudo nmap -p80 -sT 192.168.0.1 |
| 08:12.45 | fooz | dockapps will fail to load on the 2nd head.. some KDE apps freak out or render wrong.. |
| 08:12.53 | hammerabi | they render wrong? |
| 08:12.53 | theacolyte | Just intalled webadmin via apt-get I can't access it externally, error 403 forbidden, anything I need to know, acl's or something set |
| 08:12.55 | fooz | it's rather poor |
| 08:12.55 | hammerabi | wtf |
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| 08:13.04 | hammerabi | theacolyte: you read the README.Debian? |
| 08:13.29 | itp560 | Is there a source based distro based on debian ? |
| 08:13.41 | darkness- | hammerabi: I shall reboot and let you know what happens. |
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| 08:13.47 | theacolyte | hammerabi: heh, thanks, completely new to debian, i'm a RH guy |
| 08:14.01 | hammerabi | theacolyte: /usr/share/doc/webmin |
| 08:14.06 | theacolyte | yeah got it heh |
| 08:14.07 | hammerabi | itp560: "Debian" |
| 08:14.07 | fooz | itp560, all of debian came from source at some point (except for non-free) |
| 08:14.21 | theacolyte | although I do have one question, links2 doesn't come with ssl? |
| 08:14.22 | hammerabi | itp560: all of Debian is built by unattended autobuilders |
| 08:14.30 | hammerabi | itp560: you can do the same if you feel you have a need |
| 08:14.36 | jm_ | build monkeys ;) |
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| 08:15.05 | hammerabi | the links saga is too confusing for me |
| 08:15.24 | hammerabi | why are there 5 000 forks of it in Debian? why do only some have SSL support? when will the insanity end? |
| 08:15.39 | roadends | theacolyte: apt-cache search links2-ssl |
| 08:15.40 | itp560 | hammerabi: how can i get more information about this ? |
| 08:15.44 | jm_ | because there were issues with SSL patch for the original links back then |
| 08:15.57 | hammerabi | itp560: about what? |
| 08:16.02 | theacolyte | lynx works eh |
| 08:16.05 | hammerabi | itp560: why do you want to rebuild things to begin with? |
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| 08:16.22 | itp560 | I love the gcc optimizations |
| 08:16.26 | jm_ | haha |
| 08:16.36 | jm_ | !gentoosmite itp560 |
| 08:16.44 | hammerabi | itp560: use gentoo, you'll be happier |
| 08:17.52 | I4NI | is gentoo really only .7% faster? I was thinking of switching, now I wont |
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| 08:18.17 | hammerabi | haha |
| 08:18.19 | itp560 | you should test it. |
| 08:18.23 | hammerabi | everyone's a comedian |
| 08:18.27 | theacolyte | hammerabi: I don't even see in the webmin config where it was set to do that |
| 08:18.47 | hammerabi | itp560: for the packages in Debian where -march crap matters, it's usually already done and handled magically at runtime |
| 08:18.49 | kapil | I4NI: this is #debian. do you really want to believe everythin be say about gentoo? |
| 08:19.03 | itp560 | I have a dual Xeon it takes secs to compile most of the stuff . |
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| 08:19.51 | itp560 | anyway the question was Debian Based Source Dristro ? |
| 08:19.53 | hammerabi | itp560: then donate it to Debian as an i386 buildd |
| 08:19.58 | hammerabi | itp560: and the answer is "Debian" |
| 08:20.03 | theacolyte | I goti t actually |
| 08:20.08 | fooz | i've got a 7 megabit cable modem, it takes seconds to download KDE |
| 08:20.09 | hammerabi | itp560: but if you like wasting CPU time, gentoo is what you want, not Debin |
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| 08:20.26 | fooz | and it installs instantly on my SCSI disk, no compiling needed |
| 08:20.28 | fooz | it's great |
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| 08:22.25 | I4NI | mine only 4 |
| 08:22.31 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:22.37 | hammerabi | it just means fooz gets his porn 7/4ths faster than you |
| 08:22.41 | fooz | it's not very useful unless you run debian or trade warez |
| 08:22.43 | I4NI | haha |
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| 08:23.16 | I4NI | did someone say bittorrent? |
| 08:23.20 | fooz | most sites can't keep up with fast cable modems except for debian mirrors or torrents |
| 08:23.40 | jm_ | itp560: read Debian from scratch |
| 08:23.41 | jm_ | docs |
| 08:23.52 | hammerabi | debian from scratch doesn't really involve compiling anything |
| 08:23.57 | jjhall | I have a 3mbit Cable connection, and could pay to go up to 5. I've figured it isn't worth it as I rarely do anything that needs that kind of speed. |
| 08:24.01 | hammerabi | debtoo is more what he/she wants |
| 08:24.19 | jm_ | ohh |
| 08:24.22 | fooz | itp560, anyway, they're right, if you want gentoo, get gentoo (or FreeBSD if you're not a kid anymore) |
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| 08:24.32 | jm_ | it's just installer - I see now |
| 08:24.55 | fooz | itp560, the compiler flag changes don't really do much.. sometimes they make things worse |
| 08:25.02 | fooz | most of the time, really |
| 08:25.07 | fooz | gcc is smarter than you or I are |
| 08:25.43 | liable | and if you have a box that takes secs to compile shit, why even bother? |
| 08:25.49 | hammerabi | everytime I have to do something simple involving matrix coordinates, my brain melts. I want matlab in my head. |
| 08:25.55 | jjhall | Does anyone know how to configure exim to relay through a specific server for all messages? My cable provider forces all outgoing mail to go through their server. |
| 08:26.10 | I4NI | the only benifit I can see is with something like exim, where you want to compile in certain options |
| 08:26.10 | hammerabi | jjhall: smarthost is the keyword |
| 08:26.20 | hammerabi | jjhall: the installer questions should ask you about that |
| 08:26.25 | jjhall | OK, thanks. |
| 08:26.35 | jjhall | I thought that was referring to picking up mail from another server. |
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| 08:26.49 | hammerabi | no, it's only relevant to outgoing mail |
| 08:27.05 | fooz | some packages are geared towards user compilation. ffmpeg lets you set environmental variables to link in useful non-free libraries available elsewhere |
| 08:28.53 | jjhall | hammerabi: Is there a way to re-run the exim portion of the config program so that I get asked those questions again? |
| 08:29.19 | I4NI | jjhall dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 08:29.34 | jjhall | Thanks! |
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| 08:30.54 | hammerabi | I need to teach python-mode to fold doctests |
| 08:31.05 | jjhall | The option I am after is "mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail" right? |
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| 08:31.14 | jm_ | yes |
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| 08:33.56 | fooz | heheh, tkdesk is still in debian |
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| 08:34.06 | I4NI | oldschool |
| 08:34.10 | fooz | yep |
| 08:34.29 | I4NI | I remember running tkdesk on slackware |
| 08:34.44 | fooz | same here |
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| 08:37.43 | fooz | screw these desktop environments, maybe I'll switch to tkdesk and fvwm |
| 08:38.00 | I4NI | oh god, not fvwm |
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| 08:38.26 | gravity | fvwm is still pretty cool |
| 08:38.30 | gravity | Super-configurable |
| 08:38.36 | fooz | so ugly though |
| 08:38.38 | ciler | twm/xaw3d either |
| 08:38.39 | kapil | I4NI: why not fvwm? |
| 08:38.44 | gravity | Only be defult |
| 08:38.49 | gravity | I've seen it look pretty hot |
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| 08:39.00 | I4NI | I just remember it from back in the day |
| 08:39.02 | gravity | twm... now there's an ugly wm |
| 08:39.06 | fooz | i should actually build and try out E DR17 |
| 08:39.09 | fooz | and port Absolute E to it |
| 08:39.15 | ciler | 'less is more' |
| 08:39.26 | gravity | I probably maintain two of the fugliest wm's out there :-p |
| 08:39.28 | fooz | I love Absolute E |
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| 08:40.26 | hammerabi | n = r + c * 9 + d * 81 is reversible, right? |
| 08:40.30 | CasinoLuv | how can I close(not kill the process) a window using a shell script(is it possible to do this)? |
| 08:40.44 | fooz | CasinoLuv, xkill |
| 08:40.47 | anapivirtua | hammerabi, yes |
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| 08:40.55 | jm_ | pwm and? |
| 08:41.09 | hammerabi | er, given r,c,d <= 9 |
| 08:41.12 | hammerabi | anapivirtua: thanks! |
| 08:41.13 | fooz | CasinoLuv, you have to know how to identify the window to xkill by its id.. good luck |
| 08:41.15 | anapivirtua | ;) |
| 08:41.40 | jm_ | CasinoLuv: xlsclients + xkill, or use xwit |
| 08:42.22 | hammerabi | ah, d = n div 81, c = d div 9, r = d mod 9 |
| 08:42.35 | darkness- | Mmm, i'm finally getting somewhere. Since hammerabi. Since i totally removed guarddog i now get sudo nmap -p80 -sT 192.168.0.1 == 1host up. pinging 72.14.207.99 == dest host unreachable. btw my host name == metawire. |
| 08:42.46 | hammerabi | bah |
| 08:43.00 | hammerabi | if you're using crap like guardddog, mention that in your initial question |
| 08:43.04 | CasinoLuv | thnks fooz and jm_ gonna check it |
| 08:43.22 | darkness- | hammerabi, it was just installed not configured. |
| 08:43.26 | jm_ | hammerabi: he said he desn't have any firewall yesterday ;) |
| 08:43.32 | hammerabi | hah |
| 08:43.40 | hammerabi | darkness-: had you ever run it? |
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| 08:44.08 | darkness- | i am new still to linux and thought apt-get remove guarddog removed the package. So in theory yes i was right. |
| 08:44.12 | I4NI | use shorewall |
| 08:44.26 | darkness- | I had shorewall too. Now both are fully removed. |
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| 08:46.17 | darkness- | So hammerabi. Any ideas whats wrong now? |
| 08:46.56 | hammerabi | lots, but it's very hard to guess what else you might have done |
| 08:47.31 | darkness- | Nothing else. |
| 08:47.58 | darkness- | Everything was up and running fine and i don't mean for a short while, i mean for a year or so. |
| 08:48.13 | hammerabi | the output of "iptables -L -v -n" and "ip a" and "ip r" would be useful |
| 08:48.59 | darkness- | okay goto go now. bbl |
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| 08:49.27 | hammerabi | okiedokie |
| 08:49.28 | jm_ | heh good luck, I asked for all of that yesterday, and got reply "I've been all through that already" |
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| 08:50.17 | hammerabi | EdLin: twm |
| 08:50.20 | hammerabi | presumably |
| 08:50.34 | EdLin | hammerabi: the other one he maintains |
| 08:50.45 | hammerabi | EdLin: gravity = Debian X maintainer |
| 08:51.12 | EdLin | hammerabi: I didn't know it. Now I'll have to treat him with respect. ;-) |
| 08:51.19 | gravity | EdLin: pwm |
| 08:51.36 | gravity | i.e. The most underrated wm evar! :-) |
| 08:51.41 | EdLin | gravity: pwm isn't ugly, unless you're worried about if it changes the background |
| 08:51.57 | gravity | EdLin: It's not ugly so much as plain |
| 08:52.07 | gravity | twm is really ugly though :-) |
| 08:52.15 | ciler | oh yea? |
| 08:52.33 | jm_ | no-one notices that after an hour, especially if they use it to do real work |
| 08:52.43 | EdLin | gravity: twm can be made to look halfway decent. The NetBSD guide has a chapter on "configuring X" that produces a useful twm setup. |
| 08:52.48 | fooz | that's because nobody uses it for an hour, especially to do work |
| 08:52.57 | fooz | they load it and go "OMGWTFBBQ" and die |
| 08:53.04 | ciler | ... |
| 08:53.08 | gravity | EdLin: Interesting. Maybe I'll prettify its default config. xdm needs that too. |
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| 08:53.20 | jm_ | I use ugly icewm theme too :) |
| 08:53.21 | I4NI | mmmmm BBQ |
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| 08:53.37 | EdLin | gravity: it isn't twm that's changed, it's the default positioning of windows and the color of the background |
| 08:53.44 | hammerabi | fooz: http://tinyurl.com/2gf4m |
| 08:53.46 | gravity | Right |
| 08:53.55 | fooz | hehe |
| 08:54.00 | xanados | Hi, I'm having some trouble with my upgrade vom woody to sarge an my lvm ... can any1 help me? |
| 08:54.06 | EdLin | brb |
| 08:54.07 | gravity | I wouldn't change its behavior. The users it's got have expectations :-) |
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| 08:55.58 | fooz | hey wow, fvwm is still maintained.. and isn't entirely ugly |
| 08:56.00 | fooz | maybe i'll switch back |
| 08:56.07 | jm_ | probably fvwm2? |
| 08:56.15 | jm_ | ahh yeah 2.x |
| 08:56.19 | I4NI | does it still defaut to look like win95? |
| 08:56.32 | fooz | http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/Nuno_Alexandre-1600x1200/screenshot.jpg |
| 08:56.52 | fooz | wonder what file manager that is |
| 08:56.54 | jm_ | hah it has support for perl based modules, I wonder what can be done with that |
| 08:57.22 | fooz | jm_, obfuscation modules? nonmaintainability modules? |
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| 08:57.36 | I4NI | wow that looks alot nicer than I remember |
| 08:58.01 | hammerabi | ah, gkrellm and Eterm |
| 08:58.02 | fooz | jm_, ooo i know.. Just Another FVWM Hacker modules.. |
| 08:58.05 | hammerabi | it's like 1999 all over again |
| 08:58.26 | jm_ | fooz: yeah you can create FVWM modules in Perl it seems |
| 08:58.32 | xanados | i'm getting a little nervious about my lvm ... anyone around who can guide me a little? |
| 08:58.33 | fooz | you just said that |
| 08:58.39 | fooz | xanados, what you need mang? |
| 08:58.57 | hammerabi | xanados: people are more or less waiting for you to provide details about your concerns |
| 08:59.10 | hammerabi | having to extract such information from you is soul-crushing |
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| 08:59.46 | xanados | I upgraded my woody to sarge last nigth; so now I tried creating a new kernel (2.6.8) and now my lvm isn't starting up anymore ... all i get is a message "/dev/IDE/usr: device not found" |
| 09:00.02 | fooz | benefit of running something like FVWM with the old school MWM look is that nobody will touch your computer, ever.. |
| 09:00.07 | hammerabi | not /dev/mapper/blah? |
| 09:00.07 | darkness_ | Weeeeeeeeee, i must be better than i thought i got the little bastard working on my own in the end :-) |
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| 09:00.35 | fooz | xanados, installed the lvm2 package? |
| 09:00.42 | hammerabi | I can't belive wikipedia raised $150 000 in two weeks |
| 09:00.56 | darkness_ | How so hammerabi? |
| 09:00.59 | fooz | hammerabi, stuff with users can generate money pretty fast man |
| 09:01.01 | gravity | Holy crap, that's a beautiful fvwm screenshot |
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| 09:01.13 | gravity | Maybe if I give up gnome I'll give fvwm a few months |
| 09:01.15 | fooz | hammerabi, I donated $50 when they were trying to buy Blender's source from NaN |
| 09:01.21 | xanados | yep, did so using aptitude before the reboot ... strange that i can't even boot my old 2.4.18 anymore |
| 09:01.23 | hammerabi | fooz: heh |
| 09:01.25 | grim | anyone got a url for the information that changed for experimental on ftp.d.o ? |
| 09:01.34 | fooz | and now blender is more uber than ever |
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| 09:01.48 | hammerabi | I should write something popular and then extort money from my users |
| 09:01.53 | mwright1night | hello |
| 09:01.53 | hammerabi | I could be like the xchat author |
| 09:02.02 | fooz | well xchat is crap |
| 09:02.04 | mwright1night | Can someone give me an apt repo for Freenx/ |
| 09:02.06 | fooz | no money from me |
| 09:02.08 | darkness_ | hammerabi. As you can see i've sorted the problem out :-) |
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| 09:02.22 | mwright1night | I want to install Freenx but can't find the debs or a an apt repo anywhere |
| 09:02.28 | mwright1night | kanotix isn't working anymore |
| 09:02.29 | fooz | xanados, did you build Device Mapper into your kernel? |
| 09:02.42 | gravity | hammerabi: He's extorting people? |
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| 09:02.44 | hammerabi | I'm really worried that this makes more sense to me in binary than in decimal |
| 09:02.47 | gravity | mwright1night: #kanotix |
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| 09:02.58 | hammerabi | gravity: the windows version costs money now, despite being gpl |
| 09:02.58 | xanados | could be, that i kinda missed that ... but shouldn't i still be able to boot the old kernel? |
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| 09:03.14 | hammerabi | which is permitted, but still lame |
| 09:03.22 | gravity | hammerabi: Meh, I guess that's ok. Although anyone should be able to put it up after purchase anyway |
| 09:03.25 | gravity | Yeah |
| 09:03.27 | fooz | xanados, dunno, that's a boot loader problem.. |
| 09:03.30 | grim | nevermind, i figured it out.. |
| 09:03.52 | harryl | something somebody keeps turning my HD off - I hear it click on click off eventually get I/O error |
| 09:04.03 | mwright1night | also I am getting the Following packags have been kept back |
| 09:04.09 | mwright1night | and it says 344 not upgraded |
| 09:04.23 | mwright1night | how do I encourage apt to upgrade them |
| 09:04.25 | gravity | God, these screenshots make me want to spend weeks making fvwm look like not-ass-but-awesome |
| 09:04.28 | hammerabi | harryl: that sounds more like it's failing than being turned off |
| 09:04.33 | fooz | haha |
| 09:04.35 | gravity | mwright1night: We don't support kanotix in this channel |
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| 09:04.42 | fooz | News: Fvwm-2.5.14 now supports 64-bit platforms (AMD64). |
| 09:04.55 | mwright1night | I'm not asking about kanotix |
| 09:04.56 | fooz | didn't fvwm support 64 bit platforms back when Alphas running UNIX were around? |
| 09:05.06 | xanados | so, is there anyway i can bootup my system? |
| 09:05.10 | gravity | < mwright1night> kanotix isn't working anymore |
| 09:05.12 | mwright1night | and kanotix isn't a thing -- FreeNX is a software product and if you haven't found it yet you are seriously missing something |
| 09:05.22 | mwright1night | oh someone answered that |
| 09:05.27 | mwright1night | tis the kanotix file repo |
| 09:05.30 | mwright1night | for getting FreeNX |
| 09:05.31 | fooz | xanados, well it did boot if you get as far as getting an LVM eror... |
| 09:05.33 | harryl | what would you do to keep it going? |
| 09:05.45 | hammerabi | harryl: back everything up, right now |
| 09:05.49 | fooz | xanados, you need to find out if LVM works.. if you have devmapper in your kernel |
| 09:05.52 | xanados | yeah, it stops doing the fscheck-thing |
| 09:06.01 | jm_ | there's a feller who maintains those FreeNX debs joining here now and then I think |
| 09:06.06 | hammerabi | seveas |
| 09:06.15 | harryl | with what program tar? but no tape drive |
| 09:06.26 | xanados | what if i don't habe a devmapper? how about my old (working) kernel? |
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| 09:06.40 | fooz | xanados, well you have to be able to LOAD that kernel.. |
| 09:06.46 | fooz | xanados, use your lilo or grub and try loading it |
| 09:06.51 | fooz | i can't help you with those |
| 09:07.24 | fooz | because I use front panel switches to toggle my kernel into core from a sheet of paper |
| 09:07.45 | harryl | could I just archive my debs and home directory and burn CD? |
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| 09:08.21 | xanados | well ... the kernel itself seems to start (using lilo), since i get a bunch of stuff on my console :) |
| 09:08.28 | fooz | fvwm supports gestures apparently |
| 09:08.34 | fooz | xanados, which? your old one? |
| 09:08.39 | hammerabi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.43 | hammerabi | film at 11 |
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| 09:09.25 | xanados | yep, the old one as well as the new one. I have the /boot on a seperate partition as well as /, but everything else is on the lvm ... |
| 09:09.37 | fooz | xanados, ok.. so..what's the problem with the old kernel? same error? |
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| 09:10.11 | xanados | yep, both kernels complain about the devices not being there :( |
| 09:10.20 | harryl | I guess I'm saying I dont really know how To backup system |
| 09:10.28 | fooz | xanados, boot the 2.6 one with init=/bin/sh |
| 09:10.32 | fooz | xanados, you have two computers? |
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| 09:11.18 | xanados | well, i have my linux server (which isn't running right now), and some other machines ... but the others mainly run windows :) |
| 09:11.19 | fooz | funny how FVWM's changes page goes from "Recognizes Open Look hints" to "Greatly improved font support, including anti-aliasing" |
| 09:11.27 | fooz | hehe |
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| 09:12.03 | harryl | If I archive my debs with archive tool and then make CD, I could apt-get later right? |
| 09:12.24 | jm_ | if you create the CD properly then yes |
| 09:12.43 | harryl | make it bootable? |
| 09:12.44 | fooz | xanados, anyway, try booting with init=/bin/sh in the kernel command line |
| 09:12.46 | xanados | at the fscheck i have the option to login as root to do some stuff ... but what am i supposed to do to get my system up |
| 09:12.56 | fooz | xanados, or that will work.. log in as root |
| 09:13.02 | jm_ | it doesn't have to be bootable to just install packages from it |
| 09:13.13 | xanados | ok ... i can do that ... |
| 09:13.30 | harryl | should it have a /var/cache directory or something |
| 09:13.46 | jm_ | no, look at things like apt-zip I guess |
| 09:13.58 | harryl | alright |
| 09:14.11 | mwright1night | have a problem |
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| 09:14.36 | dimir | have a kit kat! |
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| 09:15.07 | harryl | funny that I rebooted and reconnected to internet and clicking stopped |
| 09:15.12 | mwright1night | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 344 not upgraded. |
| 09:15.19 | mwright1night | hwo do I fix that? |
| 09:15.27 | xanados | ok, so now i'm root |
| 09:15.35 | liable | upgrade? |
| 09:15.40 | dimir | mwright1night: aptitude! |
| 09:15.42 | EdLin | mwright1night: tried running "dist-upgrade" ? |
| 09:15.43 | fooz | xanados, type vgscan, what happens? |
| 09:15.49 | mwright1night | hmm it's Mepis |
| 09:15.55 | mwright1night | so I'm not sure I want to run dist-upgrade |
| 09:16.02 | EdLin | mwright1night: #mepis |
| 09:16.07 | xanados | can't do ... vgscan is in /usr ... and that's on the lvm :( |
| 09:16.17 | liable | and i guess we arent sure we want help :) |
| 09:16.21 | mwright1night | like there is going to be anyone there |
| 09:16.26 | fooz | uhhh... |
| 09:16.28 | mwright1night | I'm just helping an old guy |
| 09:16.29 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 09:16.29 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 09:16.35 | mwright1night | I've ssh'd into his box |
| 09:16.39 | fooz | you're not running debian then; vgscan in debian is in /sbin |
| 09:16.41 | mwright1night | no they do know the answer |
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| 09:16.45 | mwright1night | they just don't exist |
| 09:16.55 | mwright1night | as it's such a small userbase debian derivative |
| 09:16.56 | fooz | i think it always has been |
| 09:17.12 | mwright1night | im running a version of unstable debian |
| 09:17.12 | EdLin | !based on Debian |
| 09:17.12 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 09:17.17 | mwright1night | I know all about it |
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| 09:17.22 | mwright1night | I use ubuntu etc |
| 09:17.36 | xanados | ok; i'll try using /sbin/vgscan ... |
| 09:17.42 | mwright1night | my question is pretty simple |
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| 09:18.13 | liable | mwright1night: and so was the answer... upgrade. |
| 09:18.21 | xanados | "LVM drive/module not loaded?" |
| 09:18.22 | harryl | that has to be mwright of RC fame |
| 09:18.32 | jm_ | how can people that don't know the answer to something determine if question is simple or not? |
| 09:18.45 | sanxiyn | jm_: Mysteriously. |
| 09:18.46 | fooz | xanados, does /lib/lvm-200 exist? |
| 09:19.15 | liable | magic |
| 09:19.58 | xanados | yep! (btw: i just restarted my 2.4.18 ... or should i use the 2.6.8 (maybe missing devicemapper)?) |
| 09:19.58 | liable | if apt says theres shit to upgrade, then why not upgrade it? |
| 09:20.15 | fooz | xanados, does /lib/lvm-10 exist then? |
| 09:20.20 | fooz | xanados, you're on 2.4 right? |
| 09:20.25 | EdLin | liable: he claims it doesn't work on mepis |
| 09:20.46 | sanxiyn | Too bad. |
| 09:21.03 | xanados | yep, lvm-10 exists and i'm using 2.4.18 |
| 09:21.04 | EdLin | sanxiyn: precisely |
| 09:21.11 | liable | hrm, surely mepis isnt *that* bad? :) |
| 09:21.13 | fooz | xanados, run /lib/lvm-10/vgscan |
| 09:21.29 | sanxiyn | There is #mepis, I believe. |
| 09:21.31 | EdLin | liable: I've got no idea, I've never run it |
| 09:21.58 | harryl | debian goood |
| 09:22.14 | xanados | running ./vgscan in /lib/lvm-10 ... "LVM driver/module not loaded?" |
| 09:22.23 | fooz | xanados, try modprobe lvm |
| 09:22.27 | liable | EdLin: i meant, that apt in mepis isnt that broken that it lies to you :) |
| 09:22.47 | secher | Kinda O/T, but I was wondering about something. My DSL provider says I have an unusual configuration in that I"m only 3500 feet wirewise from the CO, and yet I'm connected via a "Reach" or "MBL 2.2" link. I"ve googled for MBL 2.2, and can't seem to find any info, so I think I've misheard. Does anyone know what may be the correct protocol? It's generally used for long distance DSL, apparently. |
| 09:23.05 | EdLin | liable: he claims running dist-upgrade isn't an option because its mepis. |
| 09:23.23 | EdLin | liable: which means it *really* sucks |
| 09:23.24 | liable | EdLin: strange, guess he's fucked then :) |
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| 09:23.40 | xanados | "QM_MODULES: function not implemented" |
| 09:23.48 | harryl | apt-get debian :) |
| 09:23.51 | EdLin | !liable++ |
| 09:24.08 | fooz | xanados, ugh. |
| 09:24.17 | hammerabi | xanados: install modutils |
| 09:24.29 | fooz | hammerabi, he can't, can't mount /usr /var etc |
| 09:24.31 | fooz | heh |
| 09:24.38 | hammerabi | hah |
| 09:24.51 | secher | EdLin: what's with the !<nick>++? what's that do? |
| 09:24.52 | fooz | xanados, try /sbin/lsmod.modutils |
| 09:25.02 | fooz | xanados, or /sbin/modprobe.modutils |
| 09:25.10 | jm_ | secher: it used to give karma points to person, but it has been disabled |
| 09:25.10 | EdLin | !karma liable |
| 09:25.10 | dpkg | liable has karma of 3 |
| 09:25.11 | hammerabi | secher: nothing, now. previously, it told the bot to increase someone's karma score by one |
| 09:25.23 | secher | Ahah |
| 09:25.25 | EdLin | secher: ^^ |
| 09:25.35 | liable | ooh, i didnt think dpkg did it anymore.. :) |
| 09:25.54 | harryl | I'll try epiphany and see if it starts clicking again |
| 09:25.59 | mordain | can anyone tell me how to stop inactive TCP connections from auto disconnection too quickly? |
| 09:26.16 | fireba11 | how does one get karma ?? |
| 09:26.30 | EdLin | liable: I didn't know that, maybe it really doesn't work... |
| 09:26.39 | harryl | well, I told epiphany not to recover from previous crash |
| 09:26.44 | secher | why was the move made from apt to dpkg? |
| 09:26.50 | EdLin | fireba11: by not asking questions like that |
| 09:26.55 | liable | ~hi |
| 09:26.59 | apt | hello, liable |
| 09:27.04 | fireba11 | EdLin: lol .. |
| 09:27.07 | ciler | hey |
| 09:27.09 | mordain | ~hi |
| 09:27.11 | apt | hello, mordain |
| 09:27.11 | secher | I like apt, she's cute and friendly and quirky. |
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| 09:27.17 | EdLin | ~lol |
| 09:27.20 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 09:27.29 | harryl | going back to that website to see |
| 09:27.38 | EdLin | ugh, bad factoid |
| 09:27.48 | fireba11 | EdLin: yep |
| 09:27.57 | EdLin | !lol |
| 09:27.57 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 09:28.02 | liable | i think they pretty much all use dpkg's database. |
| 09:28.09 | ciler | rofl |
| 09:28.16 | EdLin | that's somewhat better, it used to be more insulting. :) |
| 09:28.19 | redguy|work | how can I check which options were used to compile a debian package? samba for example? |
| 09:28.20 | fooz | lol |
| 09:28.21 | xanados | I have to "relocate" my laptop ... since my linux-server is in another room ... i'll be right back! |
| 09:28.23 | EdLin | which I liked... :-) |
| 09:28.23 | mordain | !tcp timeout |
| 09:28.25 | liable | hrm, the dpkg one used to be the apt one... strange |
| 09:28.46 | harryl | smooth as silk |
| 09:28.47 | secher | apt, you rock. |
| 09:28.47 | apt | thanks, secher |
| 09:29.15 | jm_ | redguy|work: sometimes README.Debian will have a note, sometimes the tool in question can tell you, and for all other times, look at source package |
| 09:29.18 | hammerabi | yay mozilla for popping a window up over the top of xscreensaver while it's locked |
| 09:29.32 | secher | apt nickometer secher |
| 09:29.38 | secher | WOOT |
| 09:29.42 | fooz | hammerabi, roffle |
| 09:29.48 | redguy|work | jm_: eek |
| 09:30.03 | hammerabi | fooz: I want to lollerskate to mozilla hq and spank someone |
| 09:30.12 | liable | heh |
| 09:30.37 | fooz | hammerabi, here, take my hahacycle |
| 09:31.04 | harryl | I downloaded a bad .pdf that MS windosw said was a .jsp file - hmmm |
| 09:31.14 | EdLin | hammerabi: or my mophehd |
| 09:31.32 | hammerabi | boo to sport scientists for stealing some of the top google hits for "stride" from computer scientists |
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| 09:32.02 | harryl | how could a .pdf be a .jsp |
| 09:32.04 | xanados | ok, now i'm back ... |
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| 09:32.30 | harryl | it was login.jsp to be exact |
| 09:32.40 | fooz | harryl, maybe a .jsp output the PDF |
| 09:32.47 | fooz | script driven website.. |
| 09:32.56 | harryl | it was junk for sure |
| 09:33.39 | fooz | none of the norton commander clones are as good as norton commander |
| 09:33.58 | jm_ | you mean clones for Linux or clones for DOS? |
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| 09:34.03 | fooz | linux |
| 09:34.10 | jm_ | yeah, a bit of a shame really |
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| 09:34.26 | jm_ | maybe someone should port DN to Linux |
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| 09:34.56 | secher | I"m sorry. I've used everything from fvwm to gnome2, and Enlightenment 16 still kicks collective ass. Can't wait to see how great E17 is going to be when it's finally finished. |
| 09:35.02 | yxa2 | can i ask sparc questions here? |
| 09:35.14 | fooz | E would kick ass except I started using dualhead |
| 09:35.22 | secher | yxa2: is it debian related? |
| 09:35.25 | fooz | till this week I used it for like 4 years |
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| 09:35.38 | fireba11 | secher: enlightenment is still alive ? |
| 09:35.47 | secher | foox: E does not support dual head? |
| 09:35.57 | yxa2 | secher yeah debian sparc |
| 09:35.59 | blaamann | E support dual head |
| 09:36.01 | deadcat | you guys havent heard of E17? |
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| 09:36.12 | fooz | more like 5 or 6 years maybe |
| 09:36.15 | harryl | how do I force check on HD during boot? |
| 09:36.15 | fooz | secher, not really |
| 09:36.36 | fireba11 | harryl: shutdown -F |
| 09:36.42 | harryl | thankks |
| 09:36.47 | secher | fireball: Yes, and kicking like crazy. the CVS builds rock, but there's huge chunks still not implemented. What is finished is really sweet though. I"ve been running it on my laptop for I guess about 4 months now. |
| 09:36.50 | deadcat | harryl: touch /forcefsck |
| 09:36.57 | chaz-em | X.org: etch |
| 09:37.00 | jm_ | harryl: /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh checks for /forcefsck |
| 09:37.16 | fooz | secher, it just forks off a 2nd E same as the first one.. doesn't save separate desktop background settings or anything |
| 09:37.19 | fireba11 | secher: only saw it once at a friends about 8 years ago .. |
| 09:37.20 | harryl | touch /forcefsck same as shutdown -F now? |
| 09:37.25 | xanados | argggg .... |
| 09:37.41 | secher | fooz: bummer.. Raster is frequently on #e, he may have some insight into dual head in 17. |
| 09:38.02 | fooz | i hope it's supported, but if not i'll just use FVWM >:D |
| 09:38.17 | blaamann | I am using dual head and E17, can't see there are any problems |
| 09:38.21 | secher | fireball: I strongly suggest you get E16 if you like spartan, pretty, *highly* configurable and fast interfaces. |
| 09:38.38 | xanados | i just realized ... my new kernel is located at /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8 ... but a "ls /boot" doesn't show it ... and even worse ... my /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18 isn't visible either! |
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| 09:38.42 | fireba11 | secher: all ym debian boxes are headless servers right now .. :-) |
| 09:38.52 | secher | E is to get things done while looking good at the same time. |
| 09:38.52 | chaz-em | msg dpgk install debian |
| 09:39.09 | fooz | xanados, hehe |
| 09:39.14 | fooz | xanados, did you mount /boot? |
| 09:39.15 | xanados | could i be missing something? |
| 09:39.18 | secher | fireball: Ahah, well, that kinda screws that idea. <grin> |
| 09:39.33 | xanados | well ... i have some other files around in /boot ... |
| 09:40.02 | hammerabi | xanados: /boot is not on /? |
| 09:40.23 | fooz | the problem with DR16 is that its config/theme format reads like the source to Windows |
| 09:40.39 | fooz | E17's embedded language dealie sounds cool |
| 09:41.17 | xanados | nope ... .... ahhh! there we go "mount /dev/hda1" :) there is my /boot again :) |
| 09:41.17 | hammerabi | ferite? |
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| 09:41.45 | yxa2 | i'm getting a cramfs: wrong magic when i boot a ultra10 with the latest debian boot cd |
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| 09:42.25 | kimkola | How do i find which distribution i am running ? |
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| 09:43.35 | hammerabi | kimkola: you mean version of Debian? |
| 09:43.48 | xanados | strange ... i select my old kernel in lilo ... but the doing a "uname -a" gives me "2.6.8" instead of "2.4.18"! |
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| 09:44.21 | secher | fooz: I like both architectures. 16 is super easy to manipulate, and 17 is more manipulatible ( Is that a word? google define ), but much more difficult to learn. |
| 09:44.41 | fooz | xanados, did you rerun lilo? (that might be a bad idea at this point) |
| 09:44.43 | secher | at least that's how is is to me. |
| 09:45.07 | liable | yxa2: tried #debian-sparc? |
| 09:45.20 | yxa2 | liable yeah no reply :) |
| 09:45.27 | liable | yxa2: bugger. |
| 09:45.28 | jm_ | yxa: did you verify md5sum of the CD image? is this Sarge version or some daily build? |
| 09:45.39 | fooz | most E themes really bother me, but the WM itself is so solid and usable |
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| 09:45.42 | kimkola | hammerabi: yes, i am not sure it is debbian:) |
| 09:45.44 | fooz | and I love Absolute E |
| 09:45.49 | hammerabi | kimkola: ... |
| 09:45.51 | jm_ | kimkola: ls /etc |
| 09:45.52 | fooz | so i've used that for years |
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| 09:46.02 | yxa2 | jm_ yeah i did |
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| 09:46.31 | secher | fooz: all I use since I found it is Absolute Blue with backgrounds from digital blasphemy. |
| 09:46.44 | secher | super clean |
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| 09:47.15 | fooz | I've always liked dark green and slate grey for some reason.. way back when I used FVWM I had it the same colours as Absolute E |
| 09:47.18 | fooz | hehe |
| 09:47.27 | fooz | so that theme worked out perfectly |
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| 09:48.04 | yxa2 | holy shit i got it |
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| 09:48.10 | yxa2 | thanks for the suggestions |
| 09:48.29 | yxa2 | just needed to Stop-A during memory init |
| 09:48.40 | jm_ | how does that help? |
| 09:48.53 | secher | I tend toward jewel tones of green and blue, sapphire and emerald/pine green, with black Eterms and console green text. |
| 09:48.54 | xanados | aha ... well, yea i kinda did. but i figured that /vmlinuz was being for what i believed was my old kernel .... but it isnt! it's a symlink to my new kernel! so i have two lilo-entrys (new and old) pointing at the same kernel ... that's kind dump (slap myself at the forehead!) |
| 09:48.58 | harryl | o.k. touch creates a file I went touch /forcefsck and then I realized it and deleted it |
| 09:49.05 | yxa2 | jm_ no idea. its described here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/11/msg00571.html |
| 09:49.18 | harryl | shutdown -F worked and forced fsck |
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| 09:49.50 | jm_ | yxa2: that's fucked :) |
| 09:50.20 | fooz | yxa2, wtf? :) |
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| 09:50.22 | xanados | ok, so now i setup lilo right to point to my 2.4.18 ... and that one is booting right now ... lets see how far i get ... |
| 09:50.28 | jacksparrow | 'hi all |
| 09:50.37 | fooz | xanados, it'll probably work |
| 09:50.59 | yxa2 | jm_ tell me abt it. just wasted like 3hrs |
| 09:51.01 | fooz | xanados, if it does, install module-init-tools, compile Device Mapper *into the kernel*, and lvm should work |
| 09:51.07 | adamorph | karsten (et. al.): on trying < /etc/rcS.d/S40networking restart > I received messages that I did not have devices |
| 09:51.09 | adamorph | SIOCIFADDR, SIOCIFBRADDR, and SIOCIFNETMASK, failing to bring up eth0 & eth1. I compiled 2.6.14 via liveCD |
| 09:51.10 | adamorph | after an OOPS wiped out two older kernels. I have my original WOODY 3.0 CD's - can anyone suggest the best way |
| 09:51.12 | adamorph | to install these modules ? |
| 09:51.40 | jm_ | boot with a live cd, chroot and fix things |
| 09:51.42 | lunitik | adamorph: the kernel in .deb form will be on the cd's probably |
| 09:51.57 | HolyGoat | Bah. I'm starting a new bash shell through a perl script, which I feed a bashrc that sets PS1, but it has the side effect that the first character I type, it executes. Anyone else ever ran into this? |
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| 09:52.40 | ice_1963 | i wish thay wood put k3b back in testing |
| 09:52.50 | GregorR-L | Why did they remove it? |
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| 09:53.03 | jm_ | GregorR-L: /msg dpkg why is k3b not in testing |
| 09:53.19 | HolyGoat | you could get it from unstable.. |
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| 09:54.01 | jacksparrow | I've a problem. I want update and upgrade my debian server, but this command sad: apt-get update ->"W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened" Why? What a problem? I connect to server via ssh at my home... Idea? |
| 09:54.14 | adamorph | lunitik: the WOODY 3.0 CD's used ker 2.4.25 & I can't contact the net. 'apt-cdrom xxxxx' ? |
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| 09:54.41 | nima | jacksparrow, are you running it as root? |
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| 09:55.08 | jacksparrow | nima, yes, I'm root |
| 09:55.34 | xanados | ok, most of my fs are now up again (as it seems), but i'm missing one ... that could not be found ... |
| 09:56.01 | jm_ | jacksparrow: it looks like it's mounted read-only |
| 09:56.32 | nima | running mount should tell you if it is |
| 09:57.09 | jacksparrow | jm_: mount -> /dev/hda1 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro) Is this the problem? |
| 09:57.34 | jm_ | jacksparrow: run dmesg and look for errors |
| 09:58.05 | xanados | so i'm doing a pvscan ... and i'm missing a pv. |
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| 09:59.02 | nima | if i want to split off /home on a 40gb drive, how big should each partition be? |
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| 09:59.40 | xanados | i should have a pv on /dev/hdd ... but that had some probs at startup ... how can I fix something like that? |
| 09:59.54 | lunitik | nima: sooo... uhh... one 40 gig drive...? |
| 10:00.06 | nima | two, actually |
| 10:00.16 | lunitik | nima: just a personal box? |
| 10:00.30 | chaz-em | I used to have sarge installed on my Sharp Mebius laptop [ATI Radeon Mobility M7 card] no problems. Installed Etch beta1, but when I try to start X, it just goes into a black screen. Went through dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but can't see anything that needs to be changed. I tried both with framebuffer and without, same result. Can't find a recent description of a similar problem in the Deb list archives. Tried moving up to unstable, but th |
| 10:00.30 | chaz-em | e same result. ? |
| 10:00.34 | nima | i might be concidering running some other distros, yes, its my personal box |
| 10:00.56 | lunitik | nima: just make a swap and / on one... and make the other /home |
| 10:01.33 | lunitik | nima: ahh... well... / on a personal box doesn't need to be that big... most distro's are like 2 gigs... and personal stuff goes in home... |
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| 10:01.53 | nima | is it a good idea to have a swap on both drives? |
| 10:01.54 | TehBio | Where are the kernel sources located in Debian? |
| 10:01.56 | secher | wow, completely O/T but: it's a testament to the pathetic state of our society when Mariah Carey has the top selling album of 2005. Just thought i'd share. |
| 10:02.00 | lunitik | nima: so make a decent swap (can be reusable on each distro) and make a 5 gig / imo |
| 10:02.05 | jm_ | nima: there's not much point |
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| 10:02.13 | jacksparrow | jm_: Is it? "EXT2-fs error (device ide0(3,1)): ext2_write_inode: unable to read inode block - inode=191315, block=393222, Remounting filesystem read-only" |
| 10:02.14 | xanados | let's say ... /dev/hdd now has a partition table ... but it souldn't! is there a way to get to the data (127GB) that's on this disk? |
| 10:02.17 | jm_ | jacksparrow: yes |
| 10:02.23 | lunitik | nima: then use second drive as /home always |
| 10:02.30 | jacksparrow | ok, i try reboot |
| 10:02.35 | jacksparrow | :-) |
| 10:02.36 | nima | ok, sounds good |
| 10:02.45 | jm_ | jacksparrow: wait, check if you had disk errors before that |
| 10:03.14 | hammerabi | secher: sony paid her $n million so they could stop releasing her albums, you'd think she'd just hit the track or something for the rest of her life |
| 10:03.33 | jacksparrow | jm_: ok, with fsck.ext2? |
| 10:03.45 | secher | hammerabi: we wouldn't be that lucky. |
| 10:03.48 | jm_ | jacksparrow: hell no -- dmesg|egrep 'error=|status=' |
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| 10:04.03 | xanados | fooz: ok, my system seems to be working again ... but i'm missing one physical volume |
| 10:04.05 | TehBio | I'm getting a 'Can't find kernel sources in /usr/src/linux' Error, any help? |
| 10:04.29 | nima | TehBio, you need to install the sources |
| 10:05.01 | TehBio | nima: How do I go about that? I'm new to Debian and just installed it. |
| 10:05.12 | secher | TehBio: apt-cache search linux | grep source | less and look for the version you're running and then apt-get it. |
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| 10:06.15 | liable | or kernel depending of version. |
| 10:07.02 | TehBio | secher: So 'apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12' would do it? |
| 10:07.07 | hammerabi | TehBio: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:07.17 | secher | yup, ought to. |
| 10:07.57 | TehBio | hammerabi: Compile ndiswrapper. |
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| 10:08.12 | TehBio | secher: Still no /usr/src/linux... |
| 10:08.12 | secher | if you only need the headers, you can just get them.. smaller and faster to get if there's a premium on bandwidth or disk space. |
| 10:08.16 | hammerabi | TehBio: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 10:08.20 | hammerabi | installing the source is of no use |
| 10:08.36 | TehBio | hammerabi: Alright, thanks. |
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| 10:09.31 | secher | TehBio: make a symlink to /usr/src/linux from /usr/src/<whateverthekernelsrcdiris> |
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| 10:10.06 | xanados | can i restore a partition table ... it seems that i lost my "lvm whole disk" |
| 10:10.11 | TehBio | secher: ln for that? |
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| 10:10.37 | secher | TehBio: I actually think there's unofficial packages for ndis, but the build is good practice anyway. Yes to ln |
| 10:10.48 | hammerabi | ln -s, not ln |
| 10:11.00 | secher | TehBio: hammer is correct. |
| 10:11.20 | jm_ | any decent build system doesn't need /usr/src/linux symlink |
| 10:11.36 | ice_1963 | oh well |
| 10:11.40 | hammerabi | anything modern uses /lib/.../build/ |
| 10:11.44 | jm_ | indeed |
| 10:12.03 | TehBio | hammerabi, secher: Ah thanks, a few months new to Linux and brand new to Debian so I'm trying to work myself in. |
| 10:12.38 | secher | jm_: Is there a howto for building an up to date development system? |
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| 10:13.25 | ice_1963 | tehbio you will get it |
| 10:13.30 | secher | TehBio: Good luck to you, for sure. I still remember my first install of slackware years ago. |
| 10:13.49 | secher | TehBio: and never looked back. |
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| 10:14.15 | jm_ | secher: to be honest, I don't know - maybe various kernel related books explain it |
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| 10:14.55 | TehBio | secher: Ah yeah, that was my first dist, then after a few months of hearing the greatness of Debian decided to try it, I'm starting to agree to all I've heard. |
| 10:15.05 | ice_1963 | tehbio it jest take's time to learn liux |
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| 10:15.19 | TehBio | ice_1963: Yeah, so I'm learning ;-) |
| 10:15.40 | ice_1963 | but it's fun :0) |
| 10:15.42 | secher | TehBio: slackware is the way to start, after that, *everything* seems easy to deal with. |
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| 10:16.34 | SerajewelKS | secher: i think i used slackware for a total of two hours |
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| 10:17.16 | TehBio | secher: Yeah, I wonder if it really was right to start with Slackware, saw a friend installing SuSE not too long ago and couldn't believe the installation. Probably was harder but more worth while to start with Slack. |
| 10:17.21 | theD3viL | I cant install azureus...it has depencie jdk ... but it isnt in repos right ? Where to get it ? |
| 10:17.34 | SerajewelKS | secher: i was coming from redhat, looking for something better. someone told me slackware but i didn't like it at all. someone else told me debian... and, well the rest is history. for the first week or so every day i'd find something else that made me go "oh, nifty!" |
| 10:17.36 | jm_ | theD3viL: read the topic |
| 10:17.45 | SerajewelKS | !tell theD3viL about install java |
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| 10:18.09 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: it should only depend on the jre, though |
| 10:18.37 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS, it has..i typed. |
| 10:18.49 | SerajewelKS | !nickometer theD3viL |
| 10:18.50 | dpkg | 'theD3viL' is 27.000% lame, serajewelks |
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| 10:19.44 | haitao | hi. I have been struggling installing debian for the last 2 days on my laptop and failed to configure my wireless adaptor. I tried with Knoppix and did it. Seems I need the 2.6 kernel but i could not manage to upgarde from stable to unstable with kernel 2.6. Anyone can tell me whether I can download a CD image with that kernel and which one it is? |
| 10:20.04 | secher | TehBio: after trying to learn non-euclidian geometry when all you know is addition, algebra is simple. |
| 10:20.11 | ice_1963 | for java add contrib and non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update |
| 10:20.18 | theD3viL | i did :> |
| 10:20.19 | theD3viL | tnx |
| 10:20.19 | SerajewelKS | haitao: you can install a 2.6 kernel from sarge |
| 10:20.22 | EdLin | haitao: type "linux26" at the prompt rather than just enter |
| 10:20.23 | TehBio | secher: My thoughts exactly :-D |
| 10:20.34 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: that still installs a 2.4 kernel |
| 10:20.40 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: it just runs the install with a 2.6 |
| 10:20.50 | liable | SerajewelKS: err. no. |
| 10:20.57 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: that's not what happens here |
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| 10:21.12 | SerajewelKS | no? that's how my install went. |
| 10:21.13 | haitao | serajewel how do I do that? |
| 10:21.16 | tiCo89 | haitao: what's the type pf the card? |
| 10:21.33 | SerajewelKS | haitao: what is your architecture? |
| 10:21.36 | Bonkie | has anyone else installed f-prot lately ? it wont install here, compile error |
| 10:21.48 | haitao | it's a prism 2.5 |
| 10:22.11 | liable | Bonkie: google the error.. |
| 10:22.14 | goccias | Bonkie: yes it gives errors : i installed clamav . much better:) |
| 10:22.25 | secher | SerajewelKS: I went from slack to red to Deb. Tried gentoo, suse and Ubuntu, but Debian is where my heart is, mainly political reasons. The "Debian Way" is simply *right*. |
| 10:22.28 | haitao | i need either wlan-ng drivers or hostap |
| 10:22.32 | Bonkie | i have clamav (and working :) ) but wanted to check out f-prot |
| 10:22.34 | theD3viL | Next problem: I dont have buttons in konqueror (close, maximize, minimize!!) .. what is wrong ? |
| 10:22.36 | haitao | or orinoco |
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| 10:23.06 | goccias | Bonkie: never tried f-prot ? , nothing special imho |
| 10:23.15 | EdLin | secher: I like the integration and flexability |
| 10:23.30 | TehBio | secher: I was considering trying Gentoo also, but I found it requires net to build the system and since I'm forced to be wireless I couldn't do that. |
| 10:23.50 | Bonkie | goccias: nope, though it sounds like Im not missing much |
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| 10:24.05 | haitao | knoppix is kernel 2.6.12 and it can configure the card so easily.. :) |
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| 10:24.07 | goccias | Bonkie: clamav + exum heavy is a dream :) |
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| 10:24.11 | goccias | exum* |
| 10:24.14 | goccias | ops |
| 10:24.16 | nkuttler | haitao: doesn't that card need hotplug + firmware? |
| 10:24.20 | haitao | but not recommended for a HDD install |
| 10:24.29 | SerajewelKS | secher: i wish there was a little less politics surrounding the packaging process, but that aside debian is what i want it to be |
| 10:24.39 | ultraviolet16 | hey everyone, if I wanted to transfer a file onto a server i have ssh access on how do I do it? |
| 10:24.49 | SerajewelKS | ultraviolet16: scp |
| 10:24.53 | ultraviolet16 | it's going from windows to a solaris machine |
| 10:25.00 | haitao | nkuttler: might... i did the firmware update a while ago under windows |
| 10:25.00 | Bonkie | ultraviolet16: or fish :) (through konqueror) |
| 10:25.03 | goccias | Bonkie: i don't like this free-today tomorrow-maybe antivir :) |
| 10:25.08 | SerajewelKS | ultraviolet16: google pscp |
| 10:25.10 | ultraviolet16 | I don't have ssh on this machine SerajewelKS |
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| 10:25.28 | ultraviolet16 | SerajewelKS: cool thanks |
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| 10:25.35 | SerajewelKS | ultraviolet16: more specifically, google putty pscp |
| 10:25.37 | haitao | i am just looking for a convenient (read accessible for me) debian package which can get that configured easily |
| 10:25.39 | SerajewelKS | ultraviolet16: should be the first hit |
| 10:25.41 | ultraviolet16 | o |
| 10:25.45 | ultraviolet16 | i'm logging in with putty |
| 10:25.53 | liable | haitao: try the etch installer, but you still may need to do stuff, or try ubuntu if you want hopefully a "just works" system |
| 10:26.07 | Bonkie | goccias: true :) ill just stick to clamav then |
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| 10:27.01 | SerajewelKS | Bonkie: what's the point of AV on linux anyway |
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| 10:27.24 | liable | SerajewelKS: for a mail server? |
| 10:27.37 | goccias | mail |
| 10:27.39 | SerajewelKS | liable: oh, it can plug into a mail server? |
| 10:27.55 | xanados | i have a problem with my partition table on one of my disks ... originally that was a lvm whole disk, but now it seems to have a partition table and the lvm isn't recognizing the disk anymore |
| 10:27.55 | Bonkie | SerajewelKS: not all viruses are for windows only |
| 10:28.05 | haitao | liable: etch installer gives 2.6 kernel right? |
| 10:28.06 | liable | actually i thought it could.. |
| 10:28.10 | SerajewelKS | Bonkie: most of the ones that spread are |
| 10:28.15 | liable | haitao: yes |
| 10:28.18 | haitao | i just download the 100 MB CD and off i go? |
| 10:28.19 | takatumi | haitao: even sarge does |
| 10:28.24 | ultraviolet16 | thanks, pscp is exactly what I needed. |
| 10:28.29 | SerajewelKS | ultraviolet16: np |
| 10:28.39 | goccias | installing clamav+exim4-daemon-heavy is another debian marvel |
| 10:28.44 | Bonkie | SerajewelKS: yup, like you said "most" :) it doesn't hurt having it installed |
| 10:28.53 | theD3viL | i installed java-package but azureus still wont install |
| 10:29.03 | SerajewelKS | Bonkie: but.. but.. you'll lose performance!! |
| 10:29.16 | valdyn | theD3viL: have you considered reading at least the package description? |
| 10:29.18 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: how about that... hmm... |
| 10:29.27 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: did you actually follow dpkg's directions? |
| 10:29.29 | Bonkie | SerajewelKS: at least now I kow my homemade server is doing *something* :) |
| 10:29.35 | theD3viL | valdyn, what? |
| 10:29.40 | SerajewelKS | Bonkie: hehe =) |
| 10:29.45 | SerajewelKS | Bonkie: distributed-net ;) |
| 10:29.56 | SerajewelKS | !tell theD3viL about java-package |
| 10:29.58 | valdyn | theD3viL: every debian package comes with a description |
| 10:30.16 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: hi |
| 10:30.27 | dpkg | hi |
| 10:30.34 | liable | haitao: 2.6 is default with the etch installer, 2.4 is default with sarge (beware the etch installer may well be broken..) |
| 10:30.44 | haitao | sorry i am a bit confused... so sarge is the current sable release? |
| 10:30.49 | haitao | stable |
| 10:30.52 | liable | yes |
| 10:31.05 | haitao | how do i get 2.6 from sarge? |
| 10:31.17 | SerajewelKS | haitao: depends on your architecture. 386? 686? amd64? |
| 10:31.29 | rootnoverify | when you first install, at the first prompt, enter linux26 instead of just 'enter' |
| 10:31.34 | haitao | 386 |
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| 10:31.41 | haitao | well i guess so. |
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| 10:32.06 | SerajewelKS | haitao: what does cat /proc/cpuinfo say about your processor model |
| 10:32.06 | nkuttler | haitao: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6, pick one |
| 10:32.07 | TehBio | Uhg, can't wait to get on the net, I hate having to switch DVD's just for a 32kb dependancy. |
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| 10:32.23 | KD-Misafir437 | selamlar |
| 10:32.25 | TehBio | *dependency |
| 10:32.35 | SerajewelKS | haitao: if you're on any kind of recent intel-based processor, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 10:32.54 | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI | turk varm0131 |
| 10:32.56 | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI | turk |
| 10:33.02 | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI | alooooo |
| 10:33.02 | nkuttler | !tr |
| 10:33.02 | dpkg | i guess tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 10:33.10 | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI | yes |
| 10:33.13 | haitao | it's PIII-M 1.2 Ghz |
| 10:33.24 | SerajewelKS | haitao: then kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 is perfect |
| 10:33.45 | SerajewelKS | haitao: after you install, apt will display messages about initrd. make sure you follow them before rebooting. |
| 10:33.48 | nixxie | any DHCP gurus around? |
| 10:33.53 | SerajewelKS | !anyone |
| 10:33.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:33.55 | haitao | well i actually did that yesterday.. install from sarge, then moved from stable to unstable and then from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 10:33.59 | valdyn | !guru |
| 10:33.59 | dpkg | well, guru is (GURU Understands Real Unix) or An expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to Ram Upgrades for ... |
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| 10:34.25 | lunitik | haitao: its really a lot easier to install with 'linux26' :| |
| 10:34.29 | valdyn | !tell nixxie -about ask |
| 10:34.31 | nixxie | it seems that a DHCP server is not required to respond to DHCPDISCOVER if it has already given out a lease. is this correcT? |
| 10:34.32 | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI | hello |
| 10:34.42 | SerajewelKS | !troll AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI |
| 10:34.45 | haitao | how do I install with linux26? |
| 10:34.50 | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI | what |
| 10:34.52 | haitao | HDD reformatted already |
| 10:34.56 | haitao | so i need to redo anyway |
| 10:34.56 | azeem | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI: this channel is about Debian, see http://www.debian.org |
| 10:35.02 | valdyn | nixxie: that sounds unreasonable |
| 10:35.13 | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI | are you speak turk0131sh |
| 10:35.14 | nixxie | valdyn: is it possible that this is Cisco thinking? |
| 10:35.16 | haitao | I thought I could use Knoppix off the HDD but it seems really not the thing to do |
| 10:35.17 | azeem | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI: no |
| 10:35.17 | valdyn | nixxie: as a client might have crashed and 'forgotten' the lease |
| 10:35.21 | SerajewelKS | !tell AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI about tr |
| 10:35.23 | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI | soryy |
| 10:35.25 | haitao | I feel dumb |
| 10:35.26 | azeem | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI: go to #debian.tr |
| 10:35.27 | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI | 0131 am |
| 10:35.41 | nixxie | valdyn, exactly. my uplink ISP states this. he says that if that happens, the client just has to wait 1hour till the lease is expired. |
| 10:35.48 | SerajewelKS | why is it .tr instead of -tr? =/ |
| 10:35.50 | vasundhar | Can some one tell me digital signature verification services following GNU ... terms? |
| 10:35.54 | nixxie | that's 1 hour of no replies to DHCPDISCOVER |
| 10:35.57 | bbrazil | If a package is segfaulting on amd64 but not i386 is that serious or grave? |
| 10:35.59 | nkuttler | nixxie: bs. get a new isp |
| 10:36.02 | azeem | SerajewelKS: it's the same for german, e.g. |
| 10:36.13 | RichiH | SerajewelKS: because all the debian channels follow that style |
| 10:36.13 | nixxie | my thoughts exactly |
| 10:36.21 | nkuttler | nixxie: and tell them why |
| 10:36.22 | hammerabi | not all of them |
| 10:36.24 | SerajewelKS | RichiH: they do? #debian-fr? #debian-es? |
| 10:36.27 | azeem | bbrazil: serious seems enough, the maintainer will upgrade it if needed |
| 10:36.55 | valdyn | why would an ISP whos customers might be rebooting 10 times / hour claim something that silly? |
| 10:36.59 | RichiH | SerajewelKS: the important ones ;) |
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| 10:37.11 | nixxie | nkuttler, valdyn, the problem is: he claims that it is RFC compliant, and im afraid it seems he's right. |
| 10:37.26 | RichiH | SerajewelKS: seriously though, no idea about those |
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| 10:37.38 | SerajewelKS | nixxie: tell him just because the RFC says you don't have to doesn't mean you shouldn't |
| 10:37.39 | nkuttler | nixxie: did you read the RFC? even if he's right, he doesn't deliver what you need. |
| 10:37.44 | haitao | found it.. thanks... |
| 10:37.47 | haitao | i will try that |
| 10:38.00 | haitao | wish me luck.... and bye for now |
| 10:38.05 | nixxie | im reading RFC2132 and he's implementing point 3.2 - Client-server interaction - reusing a previously allocated network address |
| 10:38.17 | nixxie | which states that the client should be asking for a DHCPREQUEST |
| 10:38.21 | nixxie | not a DISCOVER |
| 10:38.34 | SerajewelKS | nixxie: but if the client reboots, how is it supposed to know that it even had a lease? |
| 10:38.35 | nixxie | hence his arguementation to not send out any DHCPOFFERS since it's an invalid request |
| 10:38.42 | nixxie | SerajewelKS, i know!!! its freaking me out |
| 10:38.47 | nixxie | orafu, if you replace a router. |
| 10:38.51 | nixxie | *or |
| 10:38.55 | nkuttler | nixxie: hm, isn't there an option to dhclient or pump to do that? |
| 10:38.59 | nixxie | you have to wait till lease has expired |
| 10:39.11 | nixxie | nkuttler, you can only RELEASE a lease if you have the MAC address of the initial host that received it |
| 10:39.13 | theD3viL | so i must download file and then fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; and then apt-get install java-package ? |
| 10:39.19 | SerajewelKS | nixxie: if the machine shuts down properly it should be releaseing it anyway |
| 10:39.23 | nkuttler | ah |
| 10:39.27 | valdyn | nixxie: so you are basically required to obtain a NEW ip? |
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| 10:39.30 | azeem | theD3viL: java-package provides make-jpkjg |
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| 10:39.34 | azeem | AFAIK |
| 10:40.24 | nixxie | valdyn, if the IP has been assigned, and I want it to be reasigned to a different device, i have to explicitly release it and then assign it. that's great in theory, but replacing a dead router is a problem here |
| 10:40.25 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: install java-package. get a .bin JRE from java.sun.com. fakeroot make-jpkg jre-...-.bin; dpkg -i sun-j2re*.deb |
| 10:40.46 | valdyn | nixxie: yea |
| 10:40.47 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS, k tnx |
| 10:40.47 | nixxie | but the real issue is: why doesnt a DHCPDISCOVER request get answered simply by providing the current lease, with possibly reduced leasetime. |
| 10:40.48 | SerajewelKS | nixxie: you can set your hardware address and spoof the release |
| 10:40.51 | nixxie | i thought that was standard |
| 10:41.09 | nixxie | SerajewelKS, im making n00bpr00f equipment here, not guru stuff. |
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| 10:41.28 | SerajewelKS | nixxie: uhm, you can do it with ifconfig... |
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| 10:41.45 | nixxie | SerajewelKS, not on a box without user interaction. set-top style. |
| 10:41.53 | SerajewelKS | nixxie: anyway if your ISP is more concerned about scrict RFC compliance than making you a happy customer, i say fsck them |
| 10:42.01 | SerajewelKS | strict too |
| 10:42.20 | SerajewelKS | nixxie: i don't know of any modern DHCP servers that are that strict by default |
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| 10:42.24 | valdyn | this is silly anyway, if everyone just followed the specs straight, nothing would work |
| 10:42.31 | nixxie | they say it's Cisco defaults |
| 10:42.47 | SerajewelKS | nixxie: we have a cisco router at my school. those are not the defaults, at least not of our model. |
| 10:42.48 | ice_1963 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.56 | nixxie | unfortunately i have zero experience with cisco dhcp |
| 10:43.32 | theD3viL | ice_1963, tnx |
| 10:43.44 | ice_1963 | y-w |
| 10:44.00 | SerajewelKS | nixxie: besides, the DISCOVER is coming from a different MAC address, right? |
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| 10:44.23 | nixxie | SerajewelKS, yep. |
| 10:44.36 | nixxie | SerajewelKS, different as to the one that received the lease before. |
| 10:44.55 | nixxie | so they say "in that case the lease is in use and cannot be released and reassigned" |
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| 10:45.01 | xored | lets say iam connected to a server through ssh. Now iam trying to transfer a file trough scp from that remote server to my local machine. What would be the simple syntqa |
| 10:45.02 | nixxie | "you'll have to wait till it expires" |
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| 10:45.21 | nixxie | xored: scp file user@serverip:/directory/where/to/copy/to |
| 10:45.22 | rial | someone has installed the fedora directory server on debian? |
| 10:45.25 | xored | lets say iam connected to a server through ssh. Now iam trying to transfer a file trough scp from that remote server to my local machine. What would be the simple syntax without "relogin" into the local sysetem ? |
| 10:45.58 | valdyn | nixxie: i can see this being somewhat useful if there was no primary authentication mechanism |
| 10:46.02 | xored | nixxie: thats clear. But is there a "easier" way to copy the file to the local system ? |
| 10:46.03 | adamorph | Good night chaps .. a lively group, although I'm none the wiser .. |
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| 10:46.25 | valdyn | xored: even easier? how? |
| 10:46.31 | valdyn | xored: by your computer mindreading? |
| 10:46.44 | xored | valdyn: relax |
| 10:46.47 | nixxie | xored: no. zssh isnt easier, although better suited in some situations |
| 10:46.49 | nkuttler | xored: /msg dpkg ssh keys |
| 10:46.57 | valdyn | xored: i am relaxed, but what could be easier |
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| 10:47.12 | xored | nkuttler: yes keys are one of the ways i use |
| 10:47.32 | xored | i just thought about a way saying "copy to the system iam connected from" |
| 10:47.41 | xored | like a synonym |
| 10:47.53 | nkuttler | xored: create a shell alias |
| 10:48.01 | xored | done that |
| 10:48.01 | nixxie | valdyn, since all the dsl lines have static IP i dont see why it would be useful, the to-be-assigned IP is already predefined |
| 10:48.13 | liable | or just use rsync :) |
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| 10:48.44 | valdyn | nixxie: yea, i just meant that in a scenario where everyone could spoof your MAC and take your IP |
| 10:48.49 | sebyte | morning all, just compiled 2.6.12 and it works OK except for one major thing: a single keypress or any mouse movement instantly causes hard drive activity. anyone know why this is? |
| 10:48.54 | valdyn | nixxie: but thats hardly realistic for dsl |
| 10:49.01 | xored | liable: rsync is more form keeping difrent dirs "uptodate" like a raid 1 or ? |
| 10:49.14 | nixxie | valdyn, exactly, since the assigned IP is propably defined per dslam port anyway |
| 10:49.18 | valdyn | nixxie: so your ISP is just acting up.. |
| 10:50.17 | secher | Finally tired enough to sack out.. Night all. Peace to you and yours. |
| 10:50.40 | liable | xored: no, you can use it to just copy too. |
| 10:50.45 | rial | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.12 | xored | liable: iam pretty sure its easier with scp, isnt it ? |
| 10:51.30 | liable | xored: not much difference at all really |
| 10:51.42 | xored | liable: ok i look at it, thank you |
| 10:52.04 | liable | np |
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| 10:52.44 | trueno | Hi! |
| 10:52.45 | nixxie | valdyn, yea well |
| 10:53.10 | nixxie | it's silly really, i have a world of trouble because of this not-responding-to-DHCPDISCOVER-when-lease-has-been-assigned shit |
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| 10:53.25 | nixxie | and i know of no other ISP in .nl that behaves like this |
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| 10:54.40 | nixxie | i can solve it if i have enough DSL lines and make a closed DSL network; then i can run my own DHCP server. but meanwhile its really problematic when trying to troubleshoot connectivity problems at dsl locations |
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| 10:55.12 | xored | valdyn: there must be a easier way just to say "tunnel trough my curretn connection-" without having a valid "ssh account" on the target system. WinSCP is doing that. Are you pretty sure thats so stupid ? |
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| 10:55.35 | SerajewelKS | nixxie: like i said, if your ISP places more value in doing things The RFC Way than in you as a customer, it's time to switch |
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| 10:55.52 | nixxie | SerajewelKS, i'll have a word with the commercial manager befor i do that. |
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| 10:55.55 | rx | Hi guys. Got an interesting question but I really dont know where to ask. Well, my question is for POSIX systems. How can I make several programs talk to each other under Linux? I have a server application (think of X) and some client applications and a shared library between em. I want some kind of syncronization between all that stuff (some kind of shared memory). I know I could use a socket based approah... but is there a way to do it di |
| 10:55.59 | valdyn | xored: i have no idea what winscp does or might be doing transparent to users |
| 10:56.28 | azeem | rx: there are sockets, pipes and SysV shared memory at least |
| 10:56.38 | valdyn | xored: now ssh does support creating new 'connections' ( or whatever they call it ) without reauthentication, iirc |
| 10:56.50 | rx | ok |
| 10:56.52 | rx | thanks |
| 10:56.54 | rx | i will check that out |
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| 10:58.43 | nukeu666 | question:when i had 2.4 kernel...mail hdd was /dev/hdc...after instaling 2.6 it became /dev/sdb(sata hdd)...my porb is that /boot/grub/menu.lst keeps renaming itself back to hdc even after i change it to sdb...help |
| 10:59.10 | xored | valdyn: winSCP is a programm for windows like midnightCommander othe "nortonCommander. U can then just drag and drop files by ones connected to the remote system |
| 10:59.20 | goccias | winscp needs an account on the target system : asks for username and password |
| 10:59.32 | goccias | ot keys whatever |
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| 10:59.35 | goccias | or* |
| 10:59.41 | valdyn | xored: so its just an UI thing and you dont know if it just makes a new connection or whatever |
| 10:59.53 | xored | goccias: you didt get the wholew conversation. the target system is met by looking from the remote system |
| 10:59.55 | jm_ | nukeu666: check menu.lst for appearances of hdc |
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| 11:00.15 | valdyn | xored: there's various ssh guis for linux |
| 11:00.32 | liable | nukeu666: prolly the groot or kopt option (dont remember which one) |
| 11:00.33 | xored | valdyn: that could surely be, but it would still need to screate a ssh account on the local system, which, what is not possible, or ? |
| 11:00.48 | jm_ | nukeu666: even some of the commented out entries are important |
| 11:00.49 | valdyn | xored: ssh account? |
| 11:00.57 | sebyte | nukeu666: go to /etc/kernel-img.conf and comment out the update-grub lines |
| 11:01.07 | xored | valdyn: a ccount to tunnel through scp, or ? |
| 11:01.13 | jm_ | I wouldn't suggest him to do that |
| 11:01.17 | valdyn | xored: a new login |
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| 11:01.23 | xored | valdyn: scp uses the ssh protocol to transfer, or am i wrong ? |
| 11:01.31 | valdyn | xored: the account is the same as used for your original ssh connection |
| 11:01.37 | nekostar | now if my system monitor says i have a load average of 1.53 then thats 1.53% ? |
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| 11:01.41 | valdyn | xored: yea, its just a frontend to ssh |
| 11:01.46 | nekostar | or 153%? |
| 11:01.54 | jm_ | no, it's 1.53 |
| 11:02.01 | nekostar | ah |
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| 11:02.10 | nekostar | so thats a darn good load then :) |
| 11:02.13 | nekostar | gawd i love linux |
| 11:02.20 | rootnoverify | hm, when I try to run jEdit, I get an error, join #flood |
| 11:02.21 | jm_ | you don't know what that means |
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| 11:02.37 | nekostar | nope i dont ~_^ |
| 11:02.40 | GregorR-L | *shrugs*, that just means that it's nop'ing a lot |
| 11:02.44 | xored | valdyn: yes sure, when i connect to the remote system through ssh, i need the acces user/password, thats clear. But then, when i would like to copy files from that remote system to my local one through scp, how would that work easier then "relogin" into the local system ? |
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| 11:03.02 | stouset | Anyone know if there's a way to prevent Nautilus from displaying the emblem on symlinks? |
| 11:03.03 | jm_ | nekrataal: it basically means you'd need 1.53 CPU-s to handle all the tasks at this point |
| 11:03.20 | blame | how do you delete a file called "-j"? rm or mv thinks it's invalid option |
| 11:03.28 | jm_ | blame: man mv |
| 11:03.29 | liable | --j |
| 11:03.30 | fooz | blame, rm -- -j |
| 11:03.32 | jm_ | pardon, man rm |
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| 11:03.39 | nekostar | cpu-s? |
| 11:03.41 | blame | thanks |
| 11:03.47 | xored | valdyn: because seeing frmo the remote system, there would be no "ssh account" on the windows platform. Or do you mean winSCP is doing exactly that ? |
| 11:03.50 | nekostar | almost needing a dual cpu? |
| 11:03.54 | jm_ | yes, CPU-s, plural of CPU |
| 11:04.07 | valdyn | xored: i think winscp is just makeing a new connection from local to remote |
| 11:04.09 | nekostar | then its 153% and thats bad |
| 11:04.14 | jm_ | no, it's 1.53 |
| 11:04.14 | GregorR-L | Poor jm_ doesn't have an apostrophy key. |
| 11:04.22 | bibe | hi all. Where can I find a simple howto for chrooting apache2 and php on a Debian sarge, granting MySQL access outside the chrooted environment? |
| 11:04.27 | nekostar | your totally not making sense to me then sorry |
| 11:04.31 | jm_ | or maybe poor jm_ knows that plural of CPU-s is not CPU's |
| 11:04.32 | nekostar | if its one percent of load |
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| 11:04.36 | nekostar | then why would i need another cpu |
| 11:04.37 | xored | valdyn: but then from remote to local to ? |
| 11:04.43 | nekostar | even if it were say 5% load |
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| 11:04.52 | nekostar | i have another 95% chillin or so neh? |
| 11:05.08 | skamuz | where is file similar to rc.local to start a file on boot |
| 11:05.21 | jm_ | that's only a theoretical value, if you had them, then it could handle all the tasks in parallel |
| 11:05.25 | GregorR-L | nekostar: Extra CPUs help at your worst, not at your best. |
| 11:05.38 | skamuz | i'm trying to start apf but there are problems using update-rc.d so i need another solution |
| 11:05.47 | valdyn | xored: dont understand that question |
| 11:05.51 | skamuz | please help |
| 11:05.57 | nekostar | of course GregorR-L if im not tossing something at it there is no need for em |
| 11:06.03 | nekostar | but i do have loads of 5 etc |
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| 11:06.09 | valdyn | !rc.local |
| 11:06.09 | dpkg | methinks rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 11:06.31 | goccias | valdyn: you are right : winscp does what you said |
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| 11:06.51 | liable | aAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaAAAAAAAaaAAAaAAAAA |
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| 11:06.59 | nekostar | so what im not understanding is |
| 11:07.01 | liable | woah |
| 11:07.05 | liable | sorry |
| 11:07.07 | nekostar | if its 1% load |
| 11:07.17 | nekostar | or say 5% load why would i need 5 cpu's |
| 11:07.18 | skamuz | didi you read |
| 11:07.27 | valdyn | nekostar: 1% load is a stupid statement |
| 11:07.28 | skamuz | i tried withy update-rc.d |
| 11:07.39 | valdyn | nekostar: if your system monitor sais that, its perty useless |
| 11:07.42 | nekostar | thats why i asked wtf that meant :P |
| 11:07.52 | skamuz | i need a way to execute something on boot |
| 11:07.58 | skamuz | just this |
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| 11:08.14 | nekostar | load averages for the last 1, 5, 15 minutes 1.68, 3.96, 3.64 |
| 11:08.23 | valdyn | nekostar: that is not percentages |
| 11:08.24 | nekostar | thats what it actually says |
| 11:08.26 | ViViD | skamuz, there is no rc.local for noobs in debian |
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| 11:08.37 | skamuz | i know this |
| 11:08.37 | nekostar | then jm_ was wrong eh |
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| 11:08.42 | jm_ | no he wasn't |
| 11:08.47 | nekostar | wtf |
| 11:08.52 | jslee | so |
| 11:08.53 | nekostar | which is it |
| 11:08.55 | skamuz | another method to execute any shell script on boot |
| 11:08.56 | valdyn | nekostar: load value = number of runnable processes waiting for something |
| 11:09.03 | Tuttle_ | backports.org offers sarge's X upgrade from 4.3.0 to 6.8.2. Is it recommendable? Is there some page mentioning shiny benefits? |
| 11:09.06 | goccias | connecting a windoze machine to a linux home-gateway/router/firewall throug winscp is safer then loading samba |
| 11:09.11 | skamuz | ? |
| 11:09.15 | nekostar | oh |
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| 11:09.38 | nekostar | so that 1.68 means 1.68 processes waiting in line? |
| 11:09.42 | ViViD | skamuz, you need to create an init script and place it in /etc/init.d then run as root 'update-rc.d script-file-name defaults' |
| 11:09.48 | jslee | is there some compelling reason to not use .tar.bz2 in debs? |
| 11:09.54 | valdyn | nekostar: so, a value of 3 would mean you have 3 processes queued up waiting for disk, net or cpu |
| 11:09.56 | kapil | Tuttle_: if you have a video card that is unsupported in 4.3.0 ... |
| 11:10.01 | skamuz | done |
| 11:10.10 | skamuz | it is not working with apf |
| 11:10.12 | GregorR-L | jslee: Superior compression is for pansies? :) |
| 11:10.16 | nekostar | yeh ok i can understand that then |
| 11:10.20 | jm_ | nekostar: you're one smart cookie |
| 11:10.21 | skamuz | it's a software working on iptables |
| 11:10.24 | nekostar | heh |
| 11:10.26 | nekostar | not today |
| 11:10.28 | ViViD | skamuz, then you need to start it with '/etc/init.d/script-file-name start' |
| 11:10.34 | nekostar | sleep dep is catching up fast >.< |
| 11:10.37 | Tuttle_ | kapil: I have supported Matrox G400, so you think I should rather NOT to upgrade? Isn't X 6.8.2 faster at least? |
| 11:10.38 | valdyn | nekostar: and it doesnt mean at all that a higher number of cpus will decrease that value at all |
| 11:10.39 | jslee | GregorR-L: :/ it would save lots of bandwidth for things like linux-tree-2.6.12 |
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| 11:10.49 | ViViD | skamuz, if that doesnt work, your script is faulty and you should take a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 11:10.59 | nekostar | yeah gotcha valdyn from what i understand only some apps bother to do that right anyway |
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| 11:11.02 | rootnoverify | how do I force X into starting kdm instead of gdm on startup? |
| 11:11.03 | skamuz | update-rc.d '/etc/init.d/script-file-name start' ??? |
| 11:11.04 | GregorR-L | jslee: I totally agree, and if I was in charge, I would make a difference. I'm nobody :) |
| 11:11.07 | nekostar | and it might be one app pwning the cpu anyway eh? |
| 11:11.20 | nekostar | though it seems nautilus is pwning hard |
| 11:11.24 | jm_ | no, that affects CPU usage, not load |
| 11:11.29 | ViViD | skamuz, update-rc.d command is only for adding and removing scripts |
| 11:11.34 | nekostar | oic |
| 11:11.40 | skamuz | I out a file in init.d |
| 11:11.42 | jslee | nobody uses nautilus |
| 11:11.43 | skamuz | put |
| 11:11.44 | nekostar | load != cpu usage at all then |
| 11:11.45 | valdyn | nekostar: load is just a very hard to conclude anything from value |
| 11:11.45 | ViViD | skamuz, the script you made should include parameters for the start stop daemon |
| 11:11.46 | jm_ | you can have loads of 200 and CPU usage at 1% or whatever |
| 11:11.59 | kapil | Tuttle_: if it ain't broke don't fix it! |
| 11:11.59 | jslee | indeed jm |
| 11:12.00 | nekostar | awesome ^^ |
| 11:12.09 | skamuz | with the command you told then i used update-rc.d |
| 11:12.12 | jslee | jm: very common in places with b0rk nfs configs :-( |
| 11:12.12 | ViViD | skamuz, so that running '/etc/init.d/script start' will start it, stop and restart are other options |
| 11:12.15 | nekostar | heh |
| 11:12.16 | jm_ | jslee: indeed |
| 11:12.23 | nekostar | my cpu is b/t 70-95 though :P |
| 11:12.28 | skamuz | it does not work on the rc.d 2 |
| 11:12.35 | fbz | Hello everyone. I've set up a network bridge of 4 interfaces and placed it to filter the traffic. However, when I connect via ssh, there's lag in the userland perhaps. load averages are 0.00, cpu is idle about 80% but when I type, let's say `mc`, it takes more than a minute for mc to appear. What's wrong? |
| 11:12.39 | jm_ | yeah that's more to worry about than load |
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| 11:12.44 | Tuttle_ | kapil: i know, but I long for faster GUI... switching virtual desktops is a matter of second, which is too much... |
| 11:12.57 | jslee | Tuttle_: fvwm2 + rxvt :-) |
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| 11:13.03 | jslee | it is the ultimate |
| 11:13.07 | nekostar | jm_, i know where the cpu usage is coming from |
| 11:13.07 | ViViD | skamuz, after using update-rc.d and starting the script, if it doesnt work, the script is faulty and you need to look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 11:13.24 | nekostar | its coming from a lack of a good multitorrent client besides azureus for linux |
| 11:13.30 | nekostar | someone please port oveh utorrent !_! |
| 11:13.31 | jm_ | nekostar: rtorrent ... |
| 11:13.35 | nekostar | rtorrent... |
| 11:13.38 | ViViD | skamuz, you cant just have an rc.local like entry where it just runs commands |
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| 11:13.45 | nixxie | fbz: tried running ethereal to see whats going on there? |
| 11:13.47 | kapil | Tuttle_: i think this is unlikely to change with moving to xorg. try to match your gui resource (memory,disk,cpu) usage with what you have available. |
| 11:13.49 | Tuttle_ | Is gnome slowing down redrawing of firefox and thunderbird windows clients itself? |
| 11:13.49 | nekostar | ah yeh thats supposed to be in some repository or something.. |
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| 11:13.58 | ViViD | skamuz, the init script has to contain information on what to do if you tell it to start, stop, and restart |
| 11:14.03 | jm_ | it works on Sarge too, pretty simple to backport |
| 11:14.06 | fbz | nixxie: no, will try it |
| 11:14.11 | nekostar | sarge too? |
| 11:14.14 | nekostar | its for etch? |
| 11:14.14 | jm_ | maybe it's even on backports |
| 11:14.15 | jslee | Tuttle_: you might be able to speed it up a fair bit by turning off antialiased fonts |
| 11:14.21 | jslee | it looks like arse if you do that though |
| 11:14.25 | nekostar | do yall have k3b working for etch yet>? |
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| 11:14.33 | nixxie | fbz: you will want to run one ethereal process on the bridging NIC from where the packets originate, and the NIC where they are being sent out to |
| 11:14.37 | valdyn | nekostar: it didnt compile on sarge , last i checked |
| 11:14.40 | Tuttle_ | jslee: exactly, aa font is a must |
| 11:14.46 | ViViD | nekostar, i didnt know it wasnt working.. |
| 11:14.48 | nixxie | fbz: then test away and see what it says. tethereal for console. |
| 11:14.52 | valdyn | nekostar: err nm, that was probably an amd64 issue |
| 11:14.58 | xored | how to get usb-pens working under debian ? it should just plugin and then automount# |
| 11:15.06 | kapil | skamuz: you could try to use the "@reboot" entry in the cron table if your script does not support start, stop, restart etc. |
| 11:15.12 | nixxie | xored: if not, modprobe usb-storage |
| 11:15.13 | valdyn | !info rtorrent etch |
| 11:15.18 | nekostar | lol kay valdyn |
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| 11:15.36 | nekostar | ViViD, i didnt get it working when i tried etch but that was a while back ;) |
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| 11:15.51 | Tuttle_ | is there some modern wm available that is at least as configurable as sawfish used to be? |
| 11:15.55 | ViViD | nekostar, its working for me, and ive got sarge and sid machines |
| 11:15.58 | nekostar | the other thing i was wondering about is ASS softsubs |
| 11:16.04 | bpuzon | hello, my apt-cache showpkg says, that gcc depends on "bison (0 (null))" What does it mean?? When I tried to apt-et remove bison, it didn't complain about the gcc dependency.... |
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| 11:16.12 | jm_ | xored: /msg dpkg usb mount |
| 11:16.19 | Zvpun | How can I find out whether /dev/hdb1 is ext2 or ext3? mount output: /dev/hdb1 on / type auto (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 11:16.20 | nekostar | ic then it was my lack of any kind of skil ViViD :P |
| 11:16.36 | xored | nixxie: where is then mounted to ? modprobe usb-storage worked without errors |
| 11:16.39 | harpoo233 | I am finding a channel to talk about LDAP. Can anyone help me? |
| 11:16.44 | jslee | btw |
| 11:16.56 | jslee | dell latitude x1 / samsung q30 == coolest laptop EVAH |
| 11:16.57 | bpuzon | Zvpun cfsidk? |
| 11:17.06 | jslee | but paradoxically also hottest laptop ever |
| 11:17.25 | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI | olum hepiniz ibnesiniz |
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| 11:17.42 | nixxie | xored: you probably have to mount it yourself. e.g. mount /dev/sda1 /mnt, assuming sda1 is your usb stick. see /var/log/messages output to find out (bottom, where you modprobe'd usb-storage) |
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| 11:18.06 | Zvpun | bpuzon: doesn't fdisk only show the partition type not the filesystem type? |
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| 11:18.23 | luke | I have errors when I boot up my Debian 3.1 machine, I run dmesg and this does not report the errors I see. How can I see a full report of all what gets stated at boot for a full investigation? |
| 11:18.33 | Zvpun | bpuzon: IMHO you could create an ext2 fs in a fat32 partition. |
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| 11:18.39 | jm_ | luke: bootlogd |
| 11:18.45 | nixxie | luke: shift-pageup on console? |
| 11:18.50 | luke | thanks jm_ |
| 11:18.55 | kristalino | what is the smallest HD i can install debian on ? |
| 11:18.56 | luke | thanks nixxie |
| 11:19.04 | PunkZY | hi, I have LG flatron L1721B + nvidia tnt2 m64 and can't get 1280x1024 resolution (Drvier "nv") ... what can be wrong? |
| 11:19.05 | kristalino | s/HD/disk space |
| 11:19.12 | nixxie | luke: only works if you dont change console so stay on the initial one |
| 11:19.21 | nixxie | luke: bootlogd is probably better. |
| 11:19.27 | Zvpun | kristalino: minimal is around 150 MB IIRC |
| 11:19.30 | bpuzon | Zvpun Hmm... right.... |
| 11:20.01 | nixxie | jm_, where exactly is bootlogd? |
| 11:20.08 | ViViD | a base system w/o gui is very very little |
| 11:20.09 | nixxie | apt-cache tells me nuttin |
| 11:20.12 | luke | nixxie, I have just tried, but because gdm loads up, no good. Do I just execute bootlogd as root then? |
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| 11:20.34 | luke | hehe |
| 11:20.42 | liable | nixxie: you need to edit /etc/defaults/bootlogd |
| 11:20.48 | jm_ | nixxie: it's not a package name, it's installed by default |
| 11:20.57 | nixxie | there we go |
| 11:20.59 | jm_ | you just need to enable it |
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| 11:21.25 | luke | enabled.....just reboot now? |
| 11:21.34 | jm_ | if you want |
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| 11:21.42 | luke | ttfn |
| 11:21.54 | bizkit | dpkg: tell PunkZY about nvidia-howto |
| 11:21.54 | Ramonskie | the info command in info.php doenst work any more it cant load the page what can be the prob? |
| 11:22.26 | xored | nixxie: |
| 11:22.26 | xored | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:22.47 | xored | so its sdb because i have a SATA HDD, its sda |
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| 11:23.21 | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI | göt sünüz olum siz |
| 11:23.41 | nixxie | jm_, why isnt bootlog enabled by default anyway? |
| 11:23.53 | liable | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI: please, english only. we have told you already. |
| 11:23.56 | dimir | !nickometer AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI |
| 11:23.58 | dpkg | 'AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI' is 99.9469% lame, dimir |
| 11:24.00 | dimir | :-P |
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| 11:24.03 | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI | okey |
| 11:24.04 | xored | nixxie: what FStype do i have to use ? vfat is not working |
| 11:24.08 | jm_ | nixxie: because there are some problems with it |
| 11:24.08 | kapil | nixxie: check the bug reports |
| 11:24.14 | dimir | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI: And change your nick! |
| 11:24.17 | nixxie | kk |
| 11:24.17 | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI | are you speak turk0131sh |
| 11:24.23 | jm_ | xored: you're probably mounting wrong device |
| 11:24.24 | xored | nixxie: ok got it, thank you |
| 11:24.31 | xored | jm_: exactly |
| 11:24.42 | jslee | hrm, my mistake |
| 11:24.44 | jm_ | xored: cat /proc/partitions |
| 11:25.02 | jslee | i don't think bz2 would save much for the kernel source packages, since they already contain the kernel source in a .tar.bz2 |
| 11:25.13 | jslee | there's a lot of potential for other packages though |
| 11:25.20 | xored | jm_: solved it allready, thank you |
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| 11:25.58 | jm_ | jslee: dpkg supports bz2 compressed packages |
| 11:26.03 | jm_ | for quite a while anyway |
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| 11:26.57 | bpuzon | Zvpun But isn't the filesystem type connected with the partition format? |
| 11:27.04 | bpuzon | hello, my apt-cache showpkg says, that gcc depends on "bison (0 (null))" What does it mean?? When I tried to apt-et remove bison, it didn't complain about the gcc dependency.... |
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| 11:28.28 | luke | cool, bootlogd worked. Now I can see the errors from boot, most of these are kernel modules. How can I disable these from being loaded, or find out what they are and if they are required? |
| 11:28.35 | paras | hi all...my mouse in fujitsu laptop does automatic cliks in kernel 2.6 from etch |
| 11:28.38 | paras | what sud i do? |
| 11:28.52 | AKILLI_KIZ_VARMI | nebar lan yav015fak |
| 11:28.55 | paras | and in kernel 2.4.27 from etc.. mouse doesnot work at all |
| 11:29.00 | liable | !laptop |
| 11:29.00 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 11:29.05 | jslee | jm: does anything actually use it in main? i randomly checked a few packages in /var/cache/apt/archives (i run etch on this laptop) and they were all gz |
| 11:29.15 | liable | paras: ^^ go there see if anyone else has an idea |
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| 11:29.26 | paras | liable, ok |
| 11:29.29 | Zvpun | bpuzon: AFAIK there is no partition format |
| 11:29.35 | jm_ | jslee: good question, I never noticed any package using it, but I only look at them very rarely |
| 11:29.46 | integral | is there a list like http://www.debian.org/mirror/list, but listing how often the mirror update? |
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| 11:30.09 | jm_ | luke: find out who loads them first, probably hotplug or discover, so blacklisting should work, or see if they are in modules file |
| 11:30.11 | tengulre | HI,ALL |
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| 11:30.31 | bizkit | tengulre: HI |
| 11:30.34 | paras | dpkg, thanks |
| 11:30.34 | dpkg | sure thing, paras |
| 11:30.44 | tengulre | I just building a new kernel and version is 2.6.14.4, but my ethernet driver can not auto loaded ,why? |
| 11:30.46 | bpuzon | Zvpun Isn't like that: Formatting a partition for fat32 filesystem creates a FAT and other areas needed to fs functioning? |
| 11:31.01 | TehBio | Anyone know of a good wi-fi configuration manager with WEP? |
| 11:31.01 | luke | jm_, looking in modules.conf at the momement, but havent got a clue what hotplug or discover are, Linux has moved on since I really last used it :) |
| 11:31.09 | bpuzon | Zvpun And formatting for ie ext2 creates superblocks and so on? |
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| 11:32.19 | Zvpun | bpuzon: I dont think so: you run mkfs.ext2 on a block-device this could be a partition (/dev/hda1, /dev/sda) but it could as well be a regular file. |
| 11:32.31 | hithere | i'm trying to test a raid1 configuration but when i unplug hda hdb is not able to boot |
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| 11:32.36 | Zvpun | bpuzon: mkfs.ext2 creates superblocks |
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| 11:32.48 | Zvpun | bpuzon: anyways I will be fine |
| 11:33.02 | liable | TehBio: gnome and kde both have i think. dunno if there are other seperate packages. |
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| 11:33.25 | hithere | i have all in a single partition etx3 with is on md0 |
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| 11:33.49 | bpuzon | Zvpun I'll need to upgrade my knowledge :-) |
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| 11:34.07 | hithere | when i boot with hdb it stops with a fixed cursor |
| 11:34.09 | ice_1963 | me to |
| 11:34.10 | hithere | no messages |
| 11:34.14 | jm_ | hithere: you need to install boot loader on both disks |
| 11:34.25 | TehBio | liable: Well I don't know if I'm just not authenticating or what but I can get signals from the wireless routers but when I try to ping either a net site or a local IP it just hangs and then fails. |
| 11:34.30 | hithere | but it should be there no? |
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| 11:34.41 | hithere | can you tell me where to check |
| 11:34.50 | liable | TehBio: wep or wpa? |
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| 11:34.57 | hithere | disks are mirrorred with the same partitions |
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| 11:35.34 | TehBio | liable: The wireless router requires a WEP Shared key, but I can't find any settings for WEP or WPA in the KDE config managers I have. |
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| 11:36.14 | liable | TehBio: kwifi? it doesnt do it? anyway, iwconfig isnt really that hard. |
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| 11:36.50 | hithere | please |
| 11:37.15 | TehBio | liable: Well I shall look at it right now. |
| 11:37.47 | TehBio | liable: What is 'ap' for? |
| 11:38.29 | liable | TehBio: you prolly dont need to use that, just give it the ssid and key and you should be good to go. |
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| 11:38.52 | tengulre | anybody know how to auto load ethernet driver? I just building a new kernel, but my ethernet driver can not auto load? |
| 11:39.01 | jm_ | man modules |
| 11:39.46 | hithere | can you help? |
| 11:40.00 | liable | TehBio: which app are you talking about? iwconfig? |
| 11:40.20 | tengulre | jm_: please provider more tips? |
| 11:40.29 | TehBio | liable: Yeah, was just checking, and do I have to restart anything after I make changes? I will have to change the key a few times to see if I get it. |
| 11:40.31 | jm_ | tengulre: read the man page |
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| 11:41.05 | xiaogil | does ubuntu help debian to evoluate faster ? |
| 11:41.16 | valdyn | xiaogil: sure |
| 11:41.20 | liable | TehBio: no it works straight away. as long as the iface is up |
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| 11:41.35 | TehBio | liable: iface..? |
| 11:41.43 | xiaogil | then, ubuntu is good for debian ? |
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| 11:42.22 | kilo | Cant work it out, but via- ircc.o is trying to be loaded at boot and fails, do I need this and how can I disable this? |
| 11:42.24 | liable | TehBio: the card.. (interface.. ifconfig wlan0 up s/wlan0/yourcard/) |
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| 11:43.18 | TehBio | liable: Alright, thanks. |
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| 11:43.30 | liable | np |
| 11:43.32 | Coke | Damn broken nickserv! |
| 11:44.18 | liable | silly Coke forgetting his password :P |
| 11:44.25 | ice_1963 | but how much faster it would go if ubuntu was part of debian |
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| 11:46.09 | TehBio | liable: Haha, set the key and tried ping'ing google.com, it resolved the domain name but then hung there and has now lagged KDE. |
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| 11:47.30 | liable | TehBio: hrm. |
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| 11:47.55 | Lipo | hey |
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| 11:48.20 | Lipo | isent there a better GUI packager then Kpackage |
| 11:48.30 | chr_work | hi all |
| 11:48.30 | liable | synaptic |
| 11:48.38 | Lipo | thx :) |
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| 11:50.05 | chr_work | how can I remove a package (cups) that I installed from source? |
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| 11:50.43 | Eulex | chr_work, usually 'make uninstall' in the build directory. |
| 11:50.47 | jacksparrow | bye |
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| 11:51.09 | chr_work | ohh, thx |
| 11:51.26 | TehBio | What is MTA? I'm rebooting and it's taking a while on "Starting MTA" |
| 11:51.35 | blame | can youone tell me when I use this function: <?php exec('tar -j --bzip -cf archives.tar.bz /archives/'); ?> it creates the .tar.gz file but it's empty ? |
| 11:51.38 | Eulex | !mta |
| 11:51.38 | dpkg | well, mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
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| 11:51.58 | TehBio | dpkg: Ah, thanks. |
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| 11:52.28 | nixxie | in exim.conf, can i add a DNS whitelist like this?: !dnslist = whitelist.blabla.net |
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| 11:52.38 | nixxie | im more of a sendmail freak personally |
| 11:53.28 | Poos | i have some probloms with X i get ": Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" on some probloms |
| 11:53.35 | Eulex | "Xorg 6.9 should be on its way to an unstable mirror near you right now." |
| 11:53.45 | Eulex | nice |
| 11:53.53 | Poos | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 11:54.02 | jm_ | Poos: trying to run something as root? |
| 11:54.02 | Eulex | Poos, when running what program in what way? |
| 11:54.36 | Poos | Eulex, like firefox from menu, console, root, user |
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| 11:54.53 | TehBio | Grrr. |
| 11:54.54 | Poos | and synaptic |
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| 11:55.03 | jm_ | now if there ewer was a confusing answer ;) |
| 11:55.12 | jose171181 | hello, can anyone please send me ffmpeg-configure script? |
| 11:55.23 | migiel | how do i know which net_install i can use the best for a dual xeon pc? |
| 11:55.25 | jm_ | ever even |
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| 11:56.44 | blame | on web server: <?php exec('tar -j --bzip -cf archives.tar.bz /archives/'); ?> creates the archives.tar.bz but its empty..any clues? |
| 11:57.10 | jose171181 | hallo debian-users.. could you please assist? |
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| 11:57.41 | Greatred|Home | blame, try: tar cjf archives.tar.bz /archives/ |
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| 11:59.53 | liable | nite |
| 12:00.32 | jose171181 | is there anyone able to run two commands for me? |
| 12:00.37 | TehBio | Yes! |
| 12:00.44 | jose171181 | gr8 |
| 12:00.46 | TehBio | We have wireless connection folks! |
| 12:00.55 | jose171181 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.55 | jose171181 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.01 | jose171181 | i mean just ffmpeg-config part |
| 12:01.04 | TehBio | Er |
| 12:01.06 | TehBio | I'm not able. |
| 12:01.18 | TehBio | I hadn't realized you asked when I said that, sorry. |
| 12:01.35 | jose171181 | so there is literally not a single person using debian on #debian? |
| 12:01.47 | TehBio | I am. |
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| 12:01.53 | TehBio | I can try running it. |
| 12:01.57 | TehBio | But it's a new box. |
| 12:01.59 | jose171181 | thx |
| 12:02.10 | jose171181 | hope you've got ffmpeg installed |
| 12:02.23 | Greatred|Home | technically i'm running ubuntu (gnoppix live cd), but that's cos i'm away from my own computer which is running debian sid |
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| 12:02.56 | blame | Greatred|Home: still the same, it creates the .tar.bz but it is empty |
| 12:03.01 | jose171181 | please priv. msg me the output |
| 12:03.05 | Greatred|Home | i've got an external HDD backup of my computer mounted and chrooted, if that counts :D |
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| 12:03.35 | Greatred|Home | blame, like totally empty? 0 bytes long? |
| 12:04.23 | blame | Greatred|Home: 56 bytes, when i download it and open it its empty, valid but empty |
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| 12:04.44 | Greatred|Home | and there's stuff inside /archive ? |
| 12:05.12 | jose171181 | TehBio, Greatred|Home any progress? |
| 12:05.28 | TehBio | I whipered you what happend. |
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| 12:05.46 | Greatred|Home | oh - will it require X to be working to run that command? |
| 12:06.22 | migiel | how do i know which net_install i can use the best for a dual xeon pc? |
| 12:06.34 | jose171181 | Greatred|Home, no, just console |
| 12:06.41 | blame | Greatred|Home: yes there is like 15mb of files |
| 12:06.41 | Greatred|Home | okies wait a sec |
| 12:07.03 | TehBio | jose171181: What are you expecting to happen? Nothing happened for me. |
| 12:07.19 | jm_ | migiel: x86 obviously |
| 12:07.28 | Greatred|Home | oh, i don't have ffmpeg-config on my system, jose171181 |
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| 12:08.11 | jose171181 | TehBio, what have you run? |
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| 12:08.42 | kilo | before hotplug initialises at boot, some devices are loaded, what and where are these been called from and how can I configure it? |
| 12:08.52 | migiel | jm_: so the i386 should work? |
| 12:08.59 | TehBio | jose171181: What do you mean? I sent in those two lines and it just returned with bash prompts, no output. |
| 12:09.21 | jose171181 | ffmpeg-config --cflags |
| 12:09.29 | jose171181 | ffmpeg-config --plugin-libs avformat |
| 12:09.31 | jose171181 | these two? |
| 12:09.42 | TehBio | Yep. |
| 12:10.02 | Greatred|Home | jose171181, you tried exporting those vars? |
| 12:10.15 | Greatred|Home | if that's what you intend anyway... |
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| 12:10.48 | jose171181 | i need to know the output of the commands, the ffmpeg-config script is not present on my slackwarebox |
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| 12:12.01 | jm_ | migiel: sure |
| 12:12.13 | migiel | ok thanks |
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| 12:12.54 | SerajewelKS | jose171181: what makes you think that the output of ffmpeg-config on a debian box is going to be compatible with a slackware box |
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| 12:13.09 | jm_ | migiel: unless they're 64bit capable and you want 64bit Debian on them |
| 12:13.22 | migiel | well |
| 12:13.31 | Greatred|Home | jose171181, can't you download a ffmpeg development package for slackware? |
| 12:13.31 | migiel | jm_: it's with EM64T |
| 12:13.37 | jose171181 | Greatred|Home, i sure can |
| 12:13.46 | jm_ | migiel: that's also available, so decided which one you want to use |
| 12:13.47 | jose171181 | however ffmpeg-config is not included in it |
| 12:14.12 | jose171181 | debian authors created it |
| 12:14.16 | migiel | jm_: ok, i'll stick to 32bit for the moment, thanks |
| 12:14.35 | Greatred | jose171181, tried compiling from source? |
| 12:14.54 | jose171181 | nothing makes me think that ffmpeg-config output would be compatible w/ that from my slack-box but at least i'll have an idea |
| 12:14.54 | GregorR-L | Umm |
| 12:15.00 | GregorR-L | migiel: x86_64 for EM64T |
| 12:15.05 | jose171181 | Greatred, i *have* already compiled from source |
| 12:15.11 | Greatred | darn :( |
| 12:15.23 | jose171181 | btw there is no such thing as development package in slackware |
| 12:15.31 | Greatred | okies |
| 12:15.33 | migiel | GregorR-L: do you advise to use x86_64 ? |
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| 12:15.48 | GregorR-L | migiel: Yes. x86_64 = AMD-64 = Intel's EM64T |
| 12:16.04 | migiel | GregorR-L: ok, i'll use that one then, thanks :) |
| 12:16.06 | GregorR-L | migiel: You wouldn't want those top 32 bits to go to waste :) |
| 12:16.20 | migiel | GregorR-L: ok :) |
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| 12:16.44 | migiel | GregorR-L: so should i use amd64 or ia64 ? |
| 12:16.50 | GregorR-L | migiel: amd64 |
| 12:16.57 | migiel | GregorR-L: ok :) |
| 12:16.59 | bbrazil | migiel: ia64 is itanium |
| 12:17.04 | GregorR-L | Intel AMD64 heheheh :) |
| 12:17.21 | Thanatermesis | why some computers don't shutdown completly the computer with the precompiled kernels ? because the acpi usage ? |
| 12:17.22 | GregorR-L | Poor, poor Itanium. Ahad of its time. |
| 12:17.29 | GregorR-L | Ahead even |
| 12:17.34 | GregorR-L | I need sleep *zzzzzzz* |
| 12:17.36 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: yes, or APM |
| 12:17.38 | jose171181 | Greatred, so you say you have ffmpeg installed, ffmpeg-config present and it just outputs nothing |
| 12:18.00 | Greatred | i don't have ffmpeg installed that i know of, i'll check |
| 12:18.03 | migiel | heh, weird indeed, amd64 on intel :p |
| 12:19.01 | Thanatermesis | aha, and how to solve this problem jm_ ? i think... for the normal installations of debian for the desktops... some persons can't posible to shutdown completly... this is normal ? |
| 12:19.02 | Greatred | nope, it's not installed according to dpkg |
| 12:19.28 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: more or less, try loading ACPI or APM modules, probably ACPi if it's a recent system |
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| 12:20.01 | jose171181 | oh well :( |
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| 12:20.18 | jose171181 | one last chance: hello out there, is there anyone running debian w/ ffmpeg installed? |
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| 12:20.28 | echnaton | hello can you advise a tutorial that explains how to set up things like cpu-frequency scaling for notebooks. a debian notebooks powermanagment howto? |
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| 12:20.47 | jm_ | why don't you simply download the package and find out what it outputs yourself? |
| 12:20.59 | Greatred | jm_, cos he's running slackware |
| 12:21.05 | Thanatermesis | jm_ by default is acpi i think, how to switch it easly ?0 |
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| 12:21.13 | jm_ | Greatred: and? |
| 12:21.19 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: switch what? |
| 12:21.38 | Greatred | jm_, apparently the slackware pkg doesn't contain the script he's trying to run |
| 12:22.15 | jm_ | Greatred: well the point was to download the Debian package |
| 12:22.32 | Greatred | maybe - have you got alien on slackware, jose171181 ? |
| 12:22.39 | jm_ | he doesn't need alien |
| 12:22.43 | jose171181 | jm_, i am *not* running debian |
| 12:22.43 | Thanatermesis | jm_ change, from acpi to apm, for the system don't use acpi but apm |
| 12:22.52 | jm_ | jose171181: that hardly matters |
| 12:23.08 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: you unload ACPI modules and load APM modules instead, or vice versa |
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| 12:23.11 | jose171181 | why would i need that if (almost) everyone on this channel is running debian |
| 12:23.35 | jose171181 | and copypasting 2+2 lines does not pest to much |
| 12:23.41 | jm_ | not my problem, you need the info, and it looks like you won't get it here |
| 12:25.02 | jose171181 | oh yes, debian users community -- always willing to help, heh :) |
| 12:25.09 | kapil | jose171181: you can also use qemu on most GNU/Linux systems. |
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| 12:25.29 | jm_ | right, one more "we haven't held his hand" type |
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| 12:25.56 | Znh | I'd like to have framebuffer support for links2 as example, is there any other work around as rebuilding the kernel? |
| 12:26.02 | Greatred | jose171181, if it helps, i've tried the ubuntu ffmpeg pkg, and it doesn't have that script, and i don't seem to see a dev pkg for it either |
| 12:26.09 | jose171181 | i am guessing whether it is a security breach to disclose output of these commands |
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| 12:26.19 | Greatred | jose171181, shouldn't be |
| 12:26.21 | jm_ | it's not in ffmpeg package, the package name is different |
| 12:26.22 | kapil | jose171181: you can also use <...> on most GNU/Linux systems. replace with user-mode-linux, qemu, debootstrap and so on. |
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| 12:26.40 | jm_ | I wonder if it's security breach to get the Debian package and run it on Slackware system |
| 12:26.48 | jose171181 | kapil, yes, all i will do is install the whole distro because of two lines.. |
| 12:26.52 | jose171181 | how effective |
| 12:26.58 | kapil | jose171181: that should allow you to test the installation of most debian packages on any other system. |
| 12:27.19 | kilo | If I plug my mp3 usb stick player into my machine, how does Debian exactly mount it, if so where would the mount point be? |
| 12:27.41 | jm_ | kilo: did you even check if it's mounted at all? |
| 12:28.05 | Greatred | kilo, just run "mount" and it should list mounted filesystems. look for anything likely there |
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| 12:28.16 | kilo | okay thanks |
| 12:28.19 | Greatred | if it's not listed - you'll have to work a little harder :) |
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| 12:28.25 | kapil | jose171181: if i have to install 20 packages on my "base" debian install in order to answer your question then the amount of installation is similar. |
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| 12:28.52 | jose171181 | kapil, right, i thought it is included in ffmpeg package, sorry then |
| 12:29.32 | kilo | Greatred, usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
| 12:29.33 | kapil | jose171181: sorry i cant help. not a multimedia installation of debian here. |
| 12:29.47 | jose171181 | sure thing, np |
| 12:30.00 | kilo | Greatred, So I presume just setup fstab and then mount -all? |
| 12:30.02 | Greatred | kilo, no that's not it |
| 12:30.08 | kilo | oh :( |
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| 12:30.17 | jm_ | kilo: /msg dpkg usb mount |
| 12:30.21 | Greatred | kilo, you might want to put a new entry in fstab and mount it explicitly |
| 12:30.42 | kilo | thanks jm |
| 12:30.44 | Eulex | jose171181, umh, you want someone with debian to check that the ffmpeg package for debian works ok? |
| 12:30.52 | kapil | Znh: didn't get your question. you want to recompile the kernel to get links2 working? |
| 12:31.14 | jose171181 | Eulex, i need someone w/ ffmpeg-config present in his/her system to run two commands for me |
| 12:31.26 | jose171181 | hint: it is a binary (script) |
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| 12:31.35 | Eulex | jose171181, why? |
| 12:31.46 | jose171181 | oooh, ok now |
| 12:32.11 | jose171181 | i am trying to install mocp player and it seems it is everything but other than debian distribution friendly |
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| 12:32.41 | jose171181 | so i am trying to workaround it in configure script |
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| 12:33.03 | kapil | jose171181: hey. mocp works fine on my other debian machine. i only play streaming oggs though. |
| 12:33.35 | jose171181 | yes, mocp compiles fine on debian, but has problem w/ wma on other distros |
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| 12:33.52 | kapil | Eulex: it is called moc. the executable is called mocp. |
| 12:34.04 | jose171181 | i am not interested in mocp on debian, i am looking for someone w/ ffmpeg-config |
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| 12:34.15 | jose171181 | period |
| 12:34.35 | kspath_ | there isnt a #ffmepg gurus channel? |
| 12:34.58 | jose171181 | not able to help cause ffmpeg-config is *not* ffmpeg's script |
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| 12:35.06 | jose171181 | it is only for debian |
| 12:35.21 | Eulex | hmm, it's in libavcodec-dev |
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| 12:35.36 | jose171181 | oh man.. i am explaining this for the 3rd time now.. *tired* |
| 12:36.02 | Greatred | jose171181, did you get Eulex's point? "hmm, it's in libavcodec-dev" |
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| 12:36.35 | jose171181 | yes, please is there anyone w/ libavcodec-dev installed? |
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| 12:37.03 | jm_ | !+anyone |
| 12:37.03 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:37.14 | bpuzon | My apt-cache showpkg says, that gcc depends on "bison (0 (null))" What does it mean?? When I tried to apt-et remove bison, it didn't complain about the gcc dependency.... |
| 12:37.15 | jm_ | bah, not the good old factoid I was expecting |
| 12:37.18 | jose171181 | Eulex, thank you, it helps (hopefully) |
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| 12:37.39 | Eulex | jose171181, yes, I've got it installed now. what and why did you want something who had it installed to do? |
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| 12:37.54 | jose171181 | Eulex, my i priv. msg you? |
| 12:37.54 | kapil | jose171181: ok. just to show that we are nice :) Im installing ffmpeg in my sandpit right now. |
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| 12:38.07 | Eulex | jose171181, no |
| 12:38.12 | jose171181 | fine |
| 12:38.34 | Eulex | jose171181, do it here in the channel. if you want to paste something, use paster. |
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| 12:38.54 | jose171181 | i'd need the output of ffmpeg-config --cflags; ffmpeg-config --plugin-libs avformat |
| 12:39.38 | jose171181 | Eulex, you can msg me the output if you are not comfortable w/ posting it here |
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| 12:39.48 | kapil | jose171181: output of ffmpeg-config --cflags is '-I/usr/include/ffmpeg' |
| 12:39.56 | jose171181 | amazzzzing |
| 12:40.00 | Eulex | jose171181, http://pastebin.com/484065 |
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| 12:41.13 | jose171181 | you guys rock |
| 12:41.32 | Eulex | jose171181, why did you need to know this, btw? |
| 12:41.32 | shay | thanks. |
| 12:41.50 | jose171181 | cause one dumb configure script needs these values |
| 12:41.59 | Eulex | hmm, ok |
| 12:42.00 | jose171181 | so i am going to give it to it |
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| 12:42.39 | rootnoverify | where's kdm located? not in /usr/bin/kdm.. |
| 12:42.56 | Thanatermesis | jm_ and is posible to make this by de commandline of the boot options ? |
| 12:43.00 | jm_ | rootnoverify: ask /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 12:43.33 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: no, you can only disable it via kernel boot parameters (which helps if it's built-in, no point in doing this if it's modularized) |
| 12:43.45 | bpuzon | rootnoverify And chceck /opt or /usr/opt |
| 12:44.08 | Eulex | bpuzon, eh? those dirs aren't used in debian. |
| 12:44.29 | Thanatermesis | humm... im searching a way to make this "user-friendly" jm_ , and posible using zenity for make a gui interface, for the user select if like's to use acpi or apm in their system... |
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| 12:44.51 | bpuzon | Eulex Yep. But KDE does install itself there... Mine did... |
| 12:44.56 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: then simply remove modules and load other modules |
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| 12:45.44 | Thanatermesis | jm_ im not sure... this changes are maked "permanently" no the system ? (rmmod / modprobe), or i need to unload/load all the time ? |
| 12:46.31 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: you want to do it at each change, and once they decide what to use, just add them to /etc/modules (or modules-2.6 or so) |
| 12:46.59 | rootnoverify | bpuzon, mine doesn't |
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| 12:47.01 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... ok jm_ , i make a look for this... thanks :) |
| 12:47.05 | lounis | hi, where can I found the good sourcelist for unstable please? |
| 12:47.18 | bpuzon | rootnoverify oh :-) |
| 12:47.31 | bpuzon | rootnoverify Have you installed kde as a package? |
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| 12:48.04 | rootnoverify | bpuzon: it was included with my debian installation |
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| 12:48.25 | bpuzon | rootnoverify dpkg -S kdm - should help |
| 12:48.28 | simone^ | i have a weird problem with xorg and nvidia drivers...if i turn on the pc and go to linux i get "no signal" error on my monitor..if i go to windows and reboot the machine to linux it works perfectly..any clue? |
| 12:48.46 | Eulex | bpuzon, you must have used unofficial packages then, as no official debian packages install themselves in /opt |
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| 12:49.27 | Eulex | bpuzon, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=kdm&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 12:49.50 | bpuzon | Eulex Now I use xfce, but I've used kde and yes, it was unofficial... |
| 12:49.59 | bpuzon | Eulex You're right |
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| 12:50.38 | Eulex | :) |
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| 12:50.48 | TehBio | Anyone know a good user manager? For switching groups and such? |
| 12:50.59 | Eulex | TehBio, bash |
| 12:51.06 | bpuzon | Eulex adduser |
| 12:51.10 | bpuzon | Eulex sorry |
| 12:51.15 | bpuzon | TehBio adduser :) |
| 12:51.25 | TehBio | Well, how do I get a list of current groups? |
| 12:51.34 | Eulex | deluser, addgroup, delgroup |
| 12:51.48 | bpuzon | TehBio cat /etc/groups |
| 12:51.53 | rootnoverify | bpuzon: it only gives me links to kcontrol and kdepassword and such |
| 12:51.58 | simone^ | can someone help me ? -.- |
| 12:51.58 | bpuzon | TehBio cat /etc/group |
| 12:52.23 | Eulex | I!ask |
| 12:52.25 | Eulex | !ask |
| 12:52.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 12:52.28 | bpuzon | rootnoverify hmm... try apt-get install kdm |
| 12:52.53 | Jazon | hi everyone. I upgraded to kde 3.5, and now cervisia is not working... can someone advise? |
| 12:53.00 | simone^ | i asked it but nobody answered :D |
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| 12:53.21 | valdyn | simone^: try using the other of the 2 video outs |
| 12:53.38 | simone^ | thanks valdyn |
| 12:53.59 | Eulex | bpuzon, you should come over to #xfce then sometime. (/me is a bit involved in the development of it) |
| 12:54.55 | bpuzon | rootnoverify If there's no kdm in dpkg -S kdm, there is no package with "kdm". (kdm could be installed not from package though, but I don't think) |
| 12:55.22 | bpuzon | Eulex I was there, Moreover, You have answered on my few questions there yesterday :-) |
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| 12:56.04 | bpuzon | rootnoverify and apt-get install kdm should install kdm |
| 12:56.06 | Eulex | bpuzon, ah. My memory is good but short :) |
| 12:56.17 | TehBio | There's no wheel group? |
| 12:56.36 | valdyn | !wheel |
| 12:56.37 | dpkg | wheel is probably n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. A person who has an active wheel bit (A privilege bit that allows the possessor to perform some restricted operation on a timesharing system like TENEX/TOPS-20/XEROX-IFS...). Irrelevant in debian default configs; don't use it unless you have a specific reason to do so. |
| 12:57.09 | bpuzon | !? |
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| 12:58.38 | lounis | is it posiible to switch from stable to unstable with apt-setup? |
| 12:59.05 | clojster | how can I burn dvd's with xcdroast on debian? (I know xcdroast must have prodvd program, but this isn't in apt repository...) |
| 12:59.22 | valdyn | clojster: why must you just use xcdroast? |
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| 12:59.46 | j0nas | how do i delete a dir on hdc? |
| 12:59.50 | bpuzon | valdyn Any good application for burning cd's/dvd's in debian? |
| 12:59.57 | clojster | valdyn: i wanted to ry it out... I don't like k3b as it too much depends on KDE |
| 13:00.09 | valdyn | clojster: graveman, gnomebaker |
| 13:00.31 | valdyn | bpuzon: ^^^ |
| 13:00.46 | TehBio | Bah, how can I let a normal user view mounted ntfs folders? |
| 13:00.48 | hume | i have a new installation of debian testing, and cannot get the sound to work - there seems to be no /dev/dsp anywhere - soundcore is loaded as well as ac97_codec and some more - what to check more? |
| 13:01.03 | clojster | valdyn: i was using graveman ever since... but I thought that xcdroast will have more options on burning |
| 13:01.09 | valdyn | hume: apt-get install alsa-utils, run alsaconf |
| 13:01.32 | valdyn | clojster: xcdroast is nearly unmaintained cruft, last i used it |
| 13:02.00 | clojster | valdyn: oh |
| 13:02.02 | bpuzon | I had the same problem as TehBio, still dunno though :-) |
| 13:02.25 | TehBio | bpuzon: That sure is reassuring ;-) |
| 13:03.00 | bpuzon | TehBio :-) |
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| 13:05.08 | Jazon | hi everyone. I upgraded to kde 3.5, and now cervisia is not working... I see Remote CVS working folders are not supported.... can someone please advise? Also, Konqueror will not install |
| 13:05.13 | hume | valdyn, ok, did that, but still there is no /dev/dsp and xmms wont play....? |
| 13:05.37 | TehBio | Relog |
| 13:05.39 | TehBio | er |
| 13:05.42 | TehBio | Wrong window. |
| 13:06.05 | Greatred | hueh, tell xmms to use alsa output plugin instead of oss |
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| 13:07.33 | Jazon | debhelper: how often should i post my question? I don't want to appear rude.... |
| 13:07.46 | hume | thx...great! |
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| 13:09.56 | valdyn | Jazon: kde 3.5 is in debian? |
| 13:10.17 | Jazon | valdyn: yes - it's in experimental... |
| 13:10.18 | _rene_ | valdyn: in experimental, ja. zumindest teilweise |
| 13:10.24 | _rene_ | err. ELANG |
| 13:10.32 | _rene_ | valdyn: in experimental, yes. at least partly |
| 13:10.35 | valdyn | Jazon: dont expect support for experimental... |
| 13:10.46 | Jazon | it worked great from Alioth on my home system,... |
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| 13:11.20 | diana | I am using debian etch, and I connect to the internet via wired....I was wondering how I can grab a specific ip when I connect to the internet...I don't know a lot about network configuration...it's done automatically when I boot. |
| 13:11.28 | Jazon | i'm not expecting support, but seeing as how i installed it, thought i could try to figure it out so that i could at least report the problem |
| 13:11.48 | Jazon | along with a soln, if one exists |
| 13:11.53 | zOap | Jazon, if you don't get an answer it may be becaue noone knows the answer. This is an open irc channel, not a staffed support channel. People here are doing this for free. So if you do no get answer maybe try googleing abit or post your question on the forum... I'm not an kde man myself so I wouldn't know.. |
| 13:12.10 | zOap | I see you get help now though:) |
| 13:12.23 | Jazon | zOap: yes, thx.... :) |
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| 13:12.50 | zOap | good:) good luck. DEBIAN rules! |
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| 13:13.22 | Jazon | valdyn: if i unpin experimental in my /etc/apt/preferences and do another dist-upgrade will it take me back? |
| 13:13.33 | valdyn | Jazon: nope |
| 13:13.40 | diana | Why isn't nvu in testing? |
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| 13:13.51 | valdyn | !why is nvu not in testing |
| 13:13.51 | dpkg | nvu is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvu |
| 13:13.56 | Jazon | valdyn: lol - so i am kinda screwed then? |
| 13:14.01 | diana | valdyn: It says that package doesn't exist. |
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| 13:14.22 | valdyn | Jazon: purge all experimental packages, install them from sid or whatever |
| 13:14.23 | TehBio | Damn, I really need to know how I can let users (or a specific group) read ntfs mounted partitions. |
| 13:14.38 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 13:14.38 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 13:14.41 | rootnoverify | I smell mushrooms.. hm.. |
| 13:14.42 | valdyn | TehBio: ^^^ |
| 13:14.42 | usn | hi out there |
| 13:14.42 | _rene_ | diana: it doesn't. read it: |
| 13:14.45 | _rene_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.45 | _rene_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.45 | _rene_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.49 | _rene_ | qed |
| 13:14.49 | diana | _rene_: What does that mean? |
| 13:15.13 | _rene_ | what's written there. that it has release-critical bugs and needs to be built on arm |
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| 13:15.30 | _rene_ | probably that bug is just the bug of the build failure on arm, though |
| 13:15.34 | diana | _rene_: Will it be ok if I change my sources.list to unstable and then install it? |
| 13:15.37 | diana | Or will that break stuff? |
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| 13:15.49 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 13:15.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 13:15.50 | _rene_ | oh, no, security... |
| 13:16.05 | _rene_ | diana: should work, although nvu is security-buggy, you know.... |
| 13:16.07 | zOap | diana, try not to mix stable/testing/unstable. Eventually it will break your system |
| 13:16.36 | _rene_ | diana: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=306822 |
| 13:16.41 | MishMash | I've recently installed mysql on a debian server, forwarded the port in my NAT table in the router, but i can't connect to port 3306 trough telnet |
| 13:16.42 | diana | k, I'll do it. |
| 13:16.48 | MishMash | does anybody know what's wrong? |
| 13:16.57 | bpuzon | !ask backports |
| 13:16.58 | mpoer | h |
| 13:17.09 | bpuzon | !ask backports |
| 13:17.10 | valdyn | !backports |
| 13:17.10 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 13:18.33 | MishMash | Does anybody know how i can access my mysql server remotely? |
| 13:18.35 | diana | bpuzon: /msg dpkg backports |
| 13:18.47 | MishMash | i thought: telnet <ip) 3306 |
| 13:18.53 | MishMash | but then i get a connection refused |
| 13:19.09 | bbrazil | MishMash: is mysql listening on 3306? by default it doesn't |
| 13:19.32 | bpuzon | diana so that the dpgs respond was send to me directly? |
| 13:19.34 | MishMash | if i do an nmap: nmap 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:19.38 | MishMash | i see the mysql 3306 port |
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| 13:19.55 | valdyn | MishMash: nmap is the wrong tool for this |
| 13:20.10 | MishMash | what tool should i use then? |
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| 13:20.21 | bbrazil | MishMash: netstat -nlp |
| 13:20.26 | valdyn | MishMash: and nmap doesnt know anything about which program listens on which port, its only guessing |
| 13:20.54 | paulswm | diana: Unless you have a static IP address assigned by your ISP, which costs much bucks normally, you are going to get a dhcp assigned IP, may be different each time you sign on |
| 13:20.55 | MishMash | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 7503/mysqld |
| 13:21.23 | MishMash | is it on 7503 then? :S |
| 13:21.23 | valdyn | MishMash: its only listening for local connection |
| 13:21.27 | bpuzon | no |
| 13:21.28 | MishMash | hmm |
| 13:21.31 | MishMash | how can i change that? |
| 13:21.36 | valdyn | MishMash: no, 3306, BUT only locally |
| 13:21.42 | MishMash | sorry |
| 13:21.48 | MishMash | valdyn, how can i change that? |
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| 13:22.01 | zOap | add your nics address |
| 13:22.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 13:22.24 | MishMash | to what |
| 13:22.24 | MishMash | ? |
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| 13:22.26 | valdyn | MishMash: i know nothnig about mysql, maybe /etc/mysql/mysql.conf or somesuch |
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| 13:22.42 | zOap | to your address? your ip address? |
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| 13:23.08 | valdyn | MishMash: 127.0.0.1:3306 should be 0.0.0.0:3306 anyway |
| 13:23.18 | MishMash | i want to add 192.168.75.4 |
| 13:23.35 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have software raid on my debian box, and i use lvm, but i have a little poblem now, when i shutdown or reboot it says md stopping all md devices, and then md: md4 still in use, and it hangs and idles then |
| 13:24.11 | goccias | MishMash: edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf bind-address i presume |
| 13:24.20 | MishMash | ok |
| 13:24.28 | plbgnr | hello, can anybody point me at howto page about running tv card tv2000xp? I did not find anything usable with google... |
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| 13:24.46 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 13:24.46 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 13:24.48 | valdyn | plbgnr: ^^^ |
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| 13:25.40 | DJ-Marcuzz | could someone help me, becaus i need that server up and running correctly, and not hanging at a reboot :-/ |
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| 13:26.14 | hithere | hi. my botto loader has gone. when i boot i see only grub> |
| 13:26.19 | paulswm | diana: If the problem is that you want to be able to get to your computer from elsewhere, or if you have a URL registered and you want to point it to your IP address, there are ways to do that - in the first case, you can get a free URL from dyndns.org and run ddclient on your computer to keep the IP address updated automatically; in the second case, if someone like dyndns is holding your domain records, you can still use ddclient to keep |
| 13:26.20 | paulswm | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.25 | hithere | what's next |
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| 13:26.36 | paulswm | :( |
| 13:26.37 | hithere | can you drive me |
| 13:26.44 | hithere | is there a solution |
| 13:26.45 | paulswm | All that typing and diana LEFT :( |
| 13:26.54 | goccias | hithere: what's the "botto" loader is ? a bomb ? :) |
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| 13:27.39 | hithere | anybody here? |
| 13:27.54 | bizkit | i just burned an ISO 9660 dvd image using growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.img. everything went fine, burn process without errors. i tried to play the dvd (it's a movie) in my cyberhome dvdplayer, and the drive sounds really strange and nothing goes on. also i can't mount the dvd. i've read http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ and the only important thing seems to be -dvd-compat which i've used. any ideas? |
| 13:28.17 | TehBio | valdyn: Still need to know how to let users access NTFS partitions? :-) |
| 13:28.27 | bizkit | growisofs version 5.21 |
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| 13:28.41 | valdyn | TehBio: /msg dpkg vfatrw, the same works for ntfs |
| 13:28.48 | Eulex | !readntfs |
| 13:28.54 | Eulex | !read-ntfs |
| 13:28.55 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 13:28.58 | hithere | can you help me |
| 13:29.16 | bizkit | i even tried it with the dvd drive as scsi-ide, burn process fine, playback doesn't work, can't mount |
| 13:29.16 | TehBio | valdyn: Ah well, I got it aswell, just checking. |
| 13:29.30 | bizkit | err, ide-scsi |
| 13:29.32 | bpuzon | dpkg thankd :D |
| 13:29.32 | dpkg | bpuzon: my pleasure |
| 13:29.35 | bpuzon | dpkg thanks :D |
| 13:29.35 | dpkg | bpuzon: my pleasure |
| 13:29.43 | Eulex | hithere, your boot loader is there, however, you've fucked your boot partition in some way. |
| 13:30.05 | rootnoverify | erm.. I did apt-get install kdm, and now konqueror tells me the mime types aren't installed, the file protocol is gone, etc.. |
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| 13:30.49 | rootnoverify | oh, kate still works, yay |
| 13:31.27 | paulswm | bizkit: Your growisofs command looks fine, perhaps the image is faulty, you could always mount the image on a loopback device and take a look |
| 13:31.43 | paulswm | bizkit: the image file I mean |
| 13:31.43 | plbgnr | valdyn: it doesn't help (in device listing isn't this tv card and I have connected it; other thing: in dmesg are lots of lines with same begin: "cx8800[0]: AUD_STATUS: 0x" )... is there other way? |
| 13:31.55 | bizkit | paulswm: mounting the image file works fine |
| 13:32.42 | hithere | and then the question is.. how can i fix it |
| 13:32.52 | bpuzon | rootnoverify I didn't have kdm and all was ok, and now you do have it and all is scrambled? |
| 13:33.14 | rootnoverify | bpuzon: kinda |
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| 13:33.19 | paulswm | bizkit: And a movie player plays it OK? I mean again the mounted image file |
| 13:33.43 | Eulex | hithere, you could try find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 13:33.43 | bizkit | paulswm: yes, mplayer can play it mounted via loop, or directly. no problems witgh the image |
| 13:33.51 | bizkit | -g |
| 13:34.03 | hithere | 1 sec |
| 13:34.05 | Eulex | hithere, at the boot prompt |
| 13:34.29 | bpuzon | rootnoverify strange... have you tried to upgrade your distro (apt-get -u dist-upgrade)? |
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| 13:35.07 | MishMash | ok, i've got one more problem |
| 13:35.11 | hithere | ok i have hd0,0 |
| 13:35.14 | hithere | now? |
| 13:35.20 | paulswm | bizkit: Then I dunno, unless your trying to play a NTSC image on a PAL DVD player or it's region encoded or something |
| 13:35.25 | MishMash | LHost 'mishmash.speedxs.nl' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL serverConnection closed by foreign host. |
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| 13:36.00 | Eulex | hithere, do root (hd0,0), then kernel /path/to/kernel, then boot |
| 13:36.04 | bizkit | paulswm: the player can play pal and ntsc and i double checked the region. it has to be sth. related to the burn-process |
| 13:36.10 | rootnoverify | bpuzon: I'm doing it now |
| 13:36.19 | Eulex | hithere, and restore your menu.lst, as you seem to have deleted it in some way |
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| 13:37.24 | rootnoverify | ok, kate's broken too now |
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| 13:37.37 | bizkit | paulswm: are you into dvd-recoring? what about just doing an dd if=image.iso of=/dev/dvd? |
| 13:37.41 | kimo | I wanna write an ebook & I wanna make sure people don't simply copy it to friends! What kind of content protection should I consider? (I know nothing is fail-safe) |
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| 13:38.19 | hithere | kernel /path/to/kernel ? |
| 13:38.20 | paulswm | bizkit: All I can say is that your growisofs command looks absolutely fine to me - you could I guess try it again with dvdrecord (although I've never used it): http://cantor.ee.ucla.edu/~jsab/documents/dvd_authoring.html |
| 13:38.33 | Frosted | kimo, ehm, encrypt it and only give it to trusted people? only thing I can think of :) |
| 13:38.43 | bizkit | paulswm: thanks for your help, i'll try that |
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| 13:39.06 | Eulex | hithere, well, do you know what kernel you have? |
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| 13:39.18 | hithere | yes |
| 13:39.18 | kimo | there is no trusted user, this ebook will be public |
| 13:39.24 | paulswm | bizkit: Good luck, maybe it's a problem with your burner, and I hope you have some DVD-RWs so you are not busy creating coasters :) |
| 13:39.27 | Eulex | hithere, which do you have then? |
| 13:39.51 | hithere | 2.6-686-smp |
| 13:39.52 | bpuzon | rootnoverify which kde is it? |
| 13:39.52 | Frosted | kimo, ok, so how can you stop it being copied around? I guess that's your qustion, but i'd wager it's not possible :) |
| 13:40.09 | hithere | i'm lost with the rest fo the path |
| 13:40.11 | migiel | does anyone know which driver i can use for the perc4/sc controller? |
| 13:40.42 | rootnoverify | bpuzon: don't have a clue |
| 13:40.48 | Eulex | hithere, you need to know more than that. is it 2.6.8-2-686-smp? |
| 13:40.50 | bizkit | paulswm: the dvdrecord looks fine since i'm used to cdrecord. is there a packaged debian version? could not find it. read about cdrecord.prodvd? what's up? |
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| 13:41.26 | hithere | yes |
| 13:41.44 | hithere | i don't remember exactly |
| 13:41.54 | hithere | but i have only 2 |
| 13:42.04 | hithere | with and without smp |
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| 13:42.15 | hithere | the same to me if it boots |
| 13:42.17 | Eulex | hithere, kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686-smp root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 13:42.38 | Eulex | hithere, initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 13:42.55 | Eulex | hithere, assumed your root was /dev/hda1, change it to whatever you have |
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| 13:43.18 | Eulex | hithere, then just run boot. |
| 13:43.23 | bpuzon | rootnoverify hmm... dunno :/ I would try to remove all kde packages and install them together (which of them are essential -> www.kde.org" |
| 13:43.28 | hithere | i guess it's vmlinux |
| 13:43.29 | hithere | 1 sec |
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| 13:43.40 | Eulex | hithere, no, vmlinuz |
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| 13:44.19 | Eulex | hithere, the z signifies that it's gz-compressed |
| 13:44.26 | rootnoverify | bpuzon: I'll wait untill dist-upgrade is finished |
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| 13:45.38 | bpuzon | rootnoverify oh, so it's not finished? :-) Well... upgrade should help anyway |
| 13:46.25 | cahoot | bizkit: it's not a free app |
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| 13:47.55 | asg | migiel: it should be the megaraid or megaraid2 driver |
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| 13:48.40 | migiel | asg: but the megaraid2 driver is not on the debian netinstall's |
| 13:48.53 | Eulex | hithere, if the above doesn't work, you haven't got the 2.6.8-2-686-smp kernel |
| 13:49.23 | bizkit | cahoot: so why isn't it in non-free? i use cvs -d :pserver:cvs@cvs.arklinux.org:/cvs/arklinux co dvdrtools now |
| 13:49.34 | goccias | bizkit: dvdrecords is in dvrtools : did you use dvdbackuo and after mkisofs ? |
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| 13:49.49 | _rene_ | bizkit: because if something is illegal, it's not even subject for non-free |
| 13:49.50 | asg | migiel: did you try the megaraid driver though? |
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| 13:50.02 | migiel | eys asg, it didnt work.. |
| 13:50.05 | migiel | yes* |
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| 13:50.30 | bizkit | _rene_: i don't think it's illegal, it's just related to the license |
| 13:50.39 | bizkit | goccias: i didn't create the image |
| 13:50.42 | asg | migiel: well, the two are mutually exclusive so you'll have to use a custom kernel. Is this for a Dell system? |
| 13:51.02 | migiel | asg: yea it's for a dell poweredge 1800 |
| 13:51.04 | goccias | bizkit: you can check the image : isoinfo -i your.img -l |
| 13:51.14 | _rene_ | bizkit: or that. there are licenses too non-free for even non-free |
| 13:51.30 | _rene_ | bizkit: because they have broken rules. like sun jdk license, or acroread iirc, or ... |
| 13:51.42 | cahoot | bizkit: cdrecord-ProDVD needs a key to unlock unlimited writing. It is free for |
| 13:51.42 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.49 | MishMash | guys, how can i reconfigure exim4? |
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| 13:51.51 | asg | migiel: have you tried the oregonstate dell installer disc yet? |
| 13:51.58 | MishMash | dpkg- what? |
| 13:52.02 | bizkit | uhh. this is new to me, sorry. |
| 13:52.18 | migiel | asg: no not yet, but that's not debian right..? |
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| 13:52.48 | asg | migiel: yes, there is a guy at Oregon state that provides custom installers specifically for Debian on Dell hardware |
| 13:52.54 | asg | migiel: hang on, let me get a link |
| 13:53.05 | cahoot | bizkit: I suppose nothing hinders you from getting/installing it outside apt |
| 13:53.10 | fireba11 | MishMash: dpgk-reconfigure ? |
| 13:53.14 | bizkit | goccias: thanks. the image is fine |
| 13:53.15 | migiel | asg: ah yes i've tried that one.. |
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| 13:53.32 | migiel | asg: that didnt work eighter... it contains a 2.4 kernel |
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| 13:53.42 | MishMash | i tried: dpkg-reconfigure exim4, but that didn't do anything :S |
| 13:53.49 | asg | migiel: hmm, thought he had 2.6.x kernels also |
| 13:53.56 | asg | migiel: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:53.57 | chr_work | what shuld i do when make uninstall doest work? (make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop.) |
| 13:53.58 | asg | bah |
| 13:54.01 | _rene_ | of course not. because exim4 has no config script |
| 13:54.05 | asg | MishMash: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 13:54.21 | _rene_ | if you would have read the screen you got at the first time you'd have known that the package is exim4-config |
| 13:54.28 | Zugschlus | this seems to pop up five times a day. Any idea how the packages could remedy that? |
| 13:54.43 | Zugschlus | <= tempted to invoke exim4-config.config from exim4.config |
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| 13:54.49 | Zugschlus | but that would probably break d-i |
| 13:54.55 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: ^^ |
| 13:54.57 | bizkit | cahoot: prodvd is not packages, but dvdrecord is in sid/non-free dvdrtools 0.2.1-1 |
| 13:54.57 | asg | migiel: you could always install with the 2.4 kernel and then compile a custom 2.6 later if you need. |
| 13:55.05 | bizkit | s/packages/packaged/ |
| 13:55.24 | jm_ | Zugschlus: maybe just display a note how to reconfigure it properly? |
| 13:55.53 | migiel | asg: i tried the http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers?focusedCommentId=4227 that one, but it didnt work eighter, any other ideas..? |
| 13:55.54 | Zugschlus | _rene_: as soon as postfix is policy compliant, I'd support that |
| 13:55.55 | fireba11 | jm_ won't help .. noone will remember when he/she needs to do it |
| 13:56.03 | ^JetFire^ | i have a debian system whos system clock falls backwards sometime early in the morning, hardware clock stays correct. Any ideas of the culprit? |
| 13:56.11 | jm_ | fireba11: they would get the note each time they reconfigure a wrong package |
| 13:56.21 | Zugschlus | jm_: so you want dpkg-reconfigure exim4 to display a note that dpkf-reconfigure exim4-config will probably help better? |
| 13:56.21 | fireba11 | jm_ haha |
| 13:56.38 | asg | migiel: the only other thing I can suggest is creating a custom live cd from a chroot + custom kernel with bootcd. We do this to install sarge on our HS20 Blade servers. |
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| 13:56.39 | jm_ | Zugschlus: well it's probably better than doing nothing :) |
| 13:56.50 | hithere | Eulex, almost dome but root= is wrong |
| 13:56.50 | Zugschlus | jm_: that would, however, be misleading in the case that the local system does use exim4-config-foo instead of exim4-config |
| 13:56.57 | jm_ | Zugschlus: true |
| 13:56.58 | hithere | I tried with md0 |
| 13:57.03 | hithere | no luck |
| 13:57.03 | migiel | asg: ok, i'll try that then |
| 13:57.06 | _rene_ | Zugschlus: it isn't? |
| 13:57.06 | Zugschlus | (which is theoretically possible) |
| 13:57.10 | goccias | bizkit: how did you burn it ? |
| 13:57.14 | hithere | sda1 |
| 13:57.17 | Eulex | hithere, ok, then set it to what you need. I have no experience with raid, sorry. |
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| 13:57.32 | Zugschlus | _rene_: IIRC postfix isn't debconf-enabled in the way that the default MTA has to be |
| 13:57.41 | _rene_ | of course it is. |
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| 13:58.11 | paulswm | bizkit: Sorry, was afk, like I said I've not used dvdrecord so I don't know anything about the packages, I just, like you, use growisofs |
| 13:58.11 | asg | migiel: also, one other bit of info you can check. I've noticed some dells don't autofind the megaraid driver during installation. Popping to ALT+F2 and manually modprobing it after you get to the part just before creating partitions worked on one machines we have. |
| 13:58.17 | asg | s/machines/machines/ |
| 13:59.51 | ^JetFire^ | stupid system clock |
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| 13:59.58 | fireba11 | ? |
| 14:00.21 | paulswm | ^JetFire^: Don't kick it, you might like jolt the minute hand :P |
| 14:00.29 | Zugschlus | _rene_: for starters, postfix' debconf templates are way too long |
| 14:00.37 | Zugschlus | they need to be displayable on a 24 line screen for d-i |
| 14:00.55 | Zugschlus | (shortening exim4's templates has been a big pain, causing most of the misunderstanding that current users have) |
| 14:01.02 | bizkit | goccias: /lastlog bizkit |
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| 14:01.41 | goccias | bizkit: i think is wrong : dvdrecord speed=1 -dao dev=0,0,0 your.img |
| 14:01.53 | blondie | hmm, is there a debian package that includes "daytime" service? |
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| 14:02.17 | Zugschlus | other than that, the postfix packages seem to be nicely done. |
| 14:02.26 | bizkit | goccias: this is what i try now using dvdrecord. i used growisofs earlier |
| 14:02.29 | Zugschlus | now postfix' configuration needs to adapt the flexibility that exim offers |
| 14:02.29 | goccias | bizkit: i've done some manual ripping just for fun and this i have in my notes |
| 14:02.52 | goccias | videos are a different beast |
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| 14:03.13 | bizkit | goccias: that's bad. any ideas for video images then? |
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| 14:03.47 | blondie | oh it's in inetd.conf |
| 14:04.00 | goccias | is very nice ripping step by step : subtitles languages and so on : when i'm in a hurry i use k9copy and i shrink it ok |
| 14:05.26 | bizkit | goccias: i rip dvds using dd if=/dev/dvd of=/path/to/dvdimage.img |
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| 14:05.44 | goccias | bizkit: wrong |
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| 14:06.08 | bizkit | really? what is it missing then? can't figure out |
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| 14:07.53 | Zugschlus | !dpkg start an MTA war |
| 14:07.53 | dpkg | postfix owns |
| 14:08.00 | Zugschlus | *gna* |
| 14:08.01 | asg | Zugschlus: agreed, the /etc/email-addresses rewriting functionality is not easy to do in postfix for rewriting both the address and comment. |
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| 14:08.24 | bizkit | yeah. postfix owns |
| 14:08.28 | CVirus | would it harm if I resized my NTFS windows partition from the fedora installation ? |
| 14:08.39 | CVirus | oops .. i mean from my instalation in general |
| 14:08.51 | Lipo | how can i get the unstable packages (php5) in apt-get? |
| 14:09.03 | Eulex | !backports |
| 14:09.03 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 14:09.10 | goccias | bizkit: is very nice : dvdbackup,lsvd,vobcopy,tcextract,tcrequant,mplex,subtitle2pgm,spunx,dvdauthor : this are command lines :) or dvdbackup and you get all or dvdrip or k9copy : asd i said i've done itr for fun but it is worth :) |
| 14:09.17 | asg | Lipo: /msg dpkg dotdeb |
| 14:09.18 | kspath_ | did I hear MTA or EDITOR or WM or other tool WAR ? |
| 14:09.24 | Lipo | thx |
| 14:09.26 | hueh | chr_work: did you get an answer to your uninstall problem? |
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| 14:11.42 | goccias | bizkit: i have a neighbour : he think to be into illegal dvd-copy , he use winbdoze and illegal programs : i wanted to see what linux does . well . linux does it legally and better :) |
| 14:12.00 | debiannewbie2010 | Hello |
| 14:12.02 | debiannewbie2010 | I have a question |
| 14:12.11 | debiannewbie2010 | I have the 1st CD, and the boot disk for my PC |
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| 14:12.34 | Eulex | !ask |
| 14:12.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:12.36 | debiannewbie2010 | I had to make floppies so I could boot, so I used the boot.img, extracted it, and put it on a floppy |
| 14:12.54 | debiannewbie2010 | But when I started up, it said "invaliad system disks" |
| 14:13.03 | bizkit | goccias: and what do you use to burn the images? |
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| 14:13.08 | jm_ | extracted it? you're supposed to write boot.img to floppy directly |
| 14:13.13 | debiannewbie2010 | Ooooh... |
| 14:13.17 | debiannewbie2010 | That would be why, probably |
| 14:13.20 | debiannewbie2010 | I'll do that. |
| 14:13.27 | gb | hehe |
| 14:13.28 | debiannewbie2010 | Thanks! |
| 14:13.30 | jm_ | how will you do it? |
| 14:13.34 | debiannewbie2010 | me? |
| 14:13.36 | jm_ | yes |
| 14:13.40 | debiannewbie2010 | I'll just move it over to a floppy |
| 14:13.44 | debiannewbie2010 | And then re-start again |
| 14:13.45 | bizkit | :p |
| 14:13.47 | jm_ | no, use dd or cat |
| 14:13.55 | gb | debiannewbie2010: better yet download the install howto & follow it |
| 14:14.01 | mmars | or if you're using windows, use WinIMG |
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| 14:14.06 | debiannewbie2010 | where can i get those? |
| 14:14.10 | debiannewbie2010 | the install howto |
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| 14:14.16 | blondie | or stop faffing with floppies and burn a CD |
| 14:14.18 | jm_ | on the Debian web page |
| 14:14.28 | Shadowpillar | dh_testdir <-- what package provides this? |
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| 14:14.32 | Eulex | debiannewbie2010, you can't just put the file onto the disk, you need to use a program to write the image to the disk directly. |
| 14:14.40 | debiannewbie2010 | Ok |
| 14:14.43 | Eulex | !tell Shadowpillar about search |
| 14:14.44 | debiannewbie2010 | Is WinIMG free? |
| 14:14.48 | mmars | afaik |
| 14:15.00 | mmars | i think it might be trialware or something |
| 14:15.05 | bizkit | goccias: for ripping dvd's. thanks for all these tools, however give dd if=/dev/dvd of=image.img a try. it works like a charm for me, i can mount the image like the dvd, use the menus, subtitles whatever i want.. |
| 14:15.06 | debiannewbie2010 | Ok |
| 14:15.06 | jm_ | debiannewbie2010: you don't need to use winimg, you can use rawwrite which can be found on Debian mirrors, it's all explained in the manual |
| 14:15.14 | debiannewbie2010 | Ok, thanks! |
| 14:15.16 | mmars | that too |
| 14:15.18 | debiannewbie2010 | I'll try that |
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| 14:15.23 | hueh | Shadowpillar: debhelper |
| 14:15.28 | jm_ | bizkit: that only works if DVD is not encrypted |
| 14:15.33 | blondie | basically |
| 14:15.34 | blondie | RTFM |
| 14:15.50 | Shadowpillar | ahd a feeling it was something like that |
| 14:15.54 | blondie | bizkit: like I said before that doesn't work with CSS DVDs |
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| 14:16.25 | goccias | bizkit: i'll try yes : i've burned once ,and i gave you before the line i used . usually i play them as they come down the stream as img or bin or whatever : mplayer does it :) |
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| 14:18.27 | TehBio | Anyone know a good POP3 Mail checker that sits in sys tray? |
| 14:18.53 | fireba11 | TehBio: that sounds like you're totally in the wrong channel |
| 14:19.33 | Frosted | what? both kde and firefox have systrays now :D |
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| 14:20.01 | bizkit | blondie, jm_: so all my dvds were uncrypted, since it always worked for me :-). but thanks for the info, again. (blondie: did you say that to me, missed the hilight :) |
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| 14:20.02 | fireba11 | Frosted: er .. yes .. but it's still a M$-term |
| 14:20.49 | Lipo | i have just installed php5 but it wont work in apache |
| 14:21.24 | blondie | bizkit: sure |
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| 14:21.34 | Frosted | Lipo, apt-cache search php5 | grep apache |
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| 14:22.47 | ^JetFire^ | apache2? |
| 14:23.26 | Lipo | yes |
| 14:23.36 | blondie | no |
| 14:23.39 | ice_1963 | were can i go and read on how to setup a firewall? |
| 14:23.49 | bizkit | ice_1963: tldp.org |
| 14:23.55 | Lipo | just installed the libapache2_mod but now i get Starting web server: Apache2[Fri Dec 30 16:23:11 2005] [crit] Apache is runninga threaded MPM, but your PHP Module is not compiled to be threadsafe. You needto recompile PHP. |
| 14:23.55 | Lipo | Pre-configuration failed |
| 14:23.58 | ^JetFire^ | iptables firewall howto |
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| 14:24.23 | ice_1963 | t-u bizit |
| 14:25.03 | kapil | Lipo: that's a really well written error message. |
| 14:25.30 | ^JetFire^ | anyone got ideas on my clock issue? |
| 14:25.31 | resiak | Lipo: Do you _need_ a threaded Apache2? You could just install the prefork MPM for apache2. |
| 14:25.32 | Lipo | kapil, yea but i can't recompile php |
| 14:25.39 | Lipo | oh :D |
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| 14:25.46 | kapil | Lipo: so install a non-threaded apache |
| 14:25.51 | bizkit | hehe. i know what my problem is now. it just simulates the burn process, growisofs and dvdrecord. i never defined a simulate only, anywere. it looks 100% like it's writing the dvd, just the LED on the drive for the burn process is missing. any ideas? |
| 14:25.53 | jm_ | ice_1963: read iptables tutorial -- /msg dpkg iptables tutorial |
| 14:26.10 | debiannewbie2010 | Once again, I have a question. Is it possible to extract the boot.img files and then take all those seperate files and put them on a floppy and have it as a boot disk? |
| 14:26.22 | bizkit | plus the media (dvd) looks like there's nothing on it |
| 14:26.24 | kapil | debiannewbie2010: no. |
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| 14:26.30 | jm_ | debiannewbie2010: yes, but it's more work so just follow the manual and do it that way |
| 14:26.43 | debiannewbie2010 | Does anyone have the link to that area? |
| 14:26.48 | debiannewbie2010 | I've looked through it and I must've passed it |
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| 14:26.55 | moshii | bizkit: The drive should show that it's writing simulation or not |
| 14:26.59 | jm_ | www.debian.org, it's trivial to find it there |
| 14:27.00 | ^JetFire^ | just get a boot floppy distro |
| 14:27.13 | Lipo | weee it works :D |
| 14:27.16 | ice_1963 | ok jm_ i will |
| 14:27.18 | debiannewbie2010 | Jetfire: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 14:27.20 | Lipo | kapil, thx |
| 14:27.21 | jm_ | 4.3. Creating Floppies from Disk Images |
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| 14:27.22 | debiannewbie2010 | there? |
| 14:27.28 | jm_ | there, read that chapter |
| 14:27.32 | debiannewbie2010 | ok |
| 14:27.40 | bizkit | moshii: like i said the drive's led to show writing if off during the process. but on the software side, i never defined simulate only. any ideas? |
| 14:27.51 | ^JetFire^ | lipo, lib-apache2-mods work best with standard apache2 :) |
| 14:28.07 | moshii | bizkit: what are you using to burn? growisofs? |
| 14:28.20 | ^JetFire^ | i have a debian system whos system clock falls backwards sometime early in the morning, hardware clock stays correct. makes me wanna drink |
| 14:28.29 | blenda | if a source package (tar.gz, in this case theora-mmx) has a ./debian/rules file, does this mean that i with some simple command can build a debian package out of the source? |
| 14:28.29 | bizkit | moshii: yes, tried growisofs and dvdrecord. both just simulating, no errors |
| 14:28.35 | ^JetFire^ | i cannot figure the bastard out |
| 14:28.38 | jm_ | ^JetFire^: by how much? |
| 14:28.47 | moshii | bizkit: don't use dvd recoord ... growisofs -speed=1 -dvd-compat -Z /dev/hdc -dvd-video . > /dev/null |
| 14:28.48 | ^JetFire^ | about 1 1/2 hours |
| 14:28.54 | ^JetFire^ | behind real time |
| 14:29.06 | ^JetFire^ | actually |
| 14:29.10 | ^JetFire^ | 1 hour, 15 minutes |
| 14:29.13 | moshii | bizkit: burn a dvd from the current dir, make sure you have video_ts and audio_ts there |
| 14:29.14 | jm_ | that doesn't sound like it's because timezone difference, unless you live in those odd places that have 1/2 hour time zones |
| 14:29.26 | migiel | asg: u still there? |
| 14:29.27 | ^JetFire^ | same TZ as boston |
| 14:29.37 | bizkit | moshii: i have an iso image |
| 14:29.55 | jm_ | ^JetFire^: maybe your clock sucks, just install ntpd and be done with it |
| 14:29.55 | moshii | bizkit: growisofs -dvd-compat -speed 1 -Z /dev/hdc=iso.iso |
| 14:30.13 | bizkit | moshii: is speed=1 needed? |
| 14:30.16 | ^JetFire^ | ;) |
| 14:30.27 | bizkit | moshii: i used growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/scd0=image.img |
| 14:30.33 | ^JetFire^ | ive done it before, i forget what the result was.... |
| 14:30.44 | ^JetFire^ | i will retry and come back later... |
| 14:30.58 | moshii | bizkit: if you media is poo setting the write speed to 1 can help ... it'll probably burn at 4x even if you set 1 ;) |
| 14:31.18 | moshii | bizkit: you have a scsi dvd writer? |
| 14:31.31 | bizkit | moshii: i tried it using atapi and now ide-scsi |
| 14:31.54 | moshii | bizkit: if you're using a recent kernel you shouldn't use ide scsi |
| 14:32.30 | bizkit | moshii: uhh.. read on some pages that ide-scsi is the preferred way |
| 14:32.44 | jm_ | must have been old pages |
| 14:32.51 | moshii | bizkit: really? maybe a couple years ago |
| 14:33.08 | moshii | bizkit: scsi dvd writers cost a lot of money btw ;) |
| 14:33.09 | goccias | this is the real problems : old pages are never updated :) |
| 14:33.15 | bizkit | ok then. i'll give this a try again :). will let you know |
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| 14:34.31 | migiel | does anyone know where i can get a precompiled version of megaraid2 for amd64? |
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| 14:35.04 | resiak | !amd4 |
| 14:35.06 | resiak | !amd64 |
| 14:35.06 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 14:39.21 | bizkit | moshii: it's running now (growisofs) with speed=1 however it went up to 4x. i've bought certified 16x dvdrs, is it safe to use speed=16 in future if it works now? |
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| 14:40.20 | mutilator | hey all |
| 14:40.23 | mutilator | question.. i have a dual processor system with hyperthreading enabled(i think) but i'm only seeing 2 processors in /proc/cpuinfo, is there anyway to tell if both processors are working (meaning HT is disabled) or if there is only one processor working with HT enabled? |
| 14:40.32 | moshii | bizkit: using 1x generally makes it burn at a speed that'll produce a decent output |
| 14:40.54 | nixxie | what's a simple way to include other files (.txt) into a HTML page, but locally viewed with firefox (so nothing server side possible, file:// url)? is there an easier way than javascript that someone knows of? |
| 14:40.55 | moshii | bizkit: sometimes I have good disc and it'll burn it at 16x for example |
| 14:41.25 | bizkit | moshii: even when you specify speed=1? |
| 14:41.26 | mutilator | http://pastebin.ca/35276 |
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| 14:42.05 | moshii | bizkit: yep, might be a result of the hacked firmware I'm running, but k3b also suggests it as a solution when things go wrong |
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| 14:42.28 | Harley^ | howdy |
| 14:42.32 | moshii | bizkit: if you get i/o error messages before burning speed 1 fixes it |
| 14:42.40 | bizkit | moshii: sounds interesting |
| 14:42.52 | ^JetFire^ | i needed to run ntpdate before I started my ntpd :P |
| 14:43.14 | nixxie | i guess javascript is then the only way to include files with local html pages ;) |
| 14:43.33 | bizkit | well my dvd burner has the led (writing) on now. seems like it was due to ide-scsi :/ |
| 14:43.51 | moshii | bizkit: I've burnt about 400 dvdr's in 3 months .. I know how to make it work ;) |
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| 14:44.25 | debiannewbie2010 | Do I have to use RawWrite to burn my CD for the install? |
| 14:44.26 | bizkit | moshii: can you suggest good media? |
| 14:44.30 | Harley^ | For configuring the xserver-xorg it defaults to a ImPS/2 mouse. I have a LogicMan Marble mouse. Is that comparable to an ImPS/2 mouse or should I select PS/2 ? |
| 14:44.49 | abrotman | debiannewbie2010: you use a normal CD burning app .. you burn the ISO as an image |
| 14:45.03 | blondie | choo-choo! |
| 14:45.03 | blondie | :D |
| 14:45.09 | tjansson | I ran bastille once which set the default chmod of files and now it is anoying me and bastille is broken. How do Í manuelly set the default chmod back to normal |
| 14:45.15 | moshii | bizkit: taiyo yuden are very good if you have the money |
| 14:45.18 | bizkit | blondie: what the heck ... :-D |
| 14:45.19 | debiannewbie2010 | abrotman: so you just move the ISO file over to the CD that you're going to burn? |
| 14:45.26 | debiannewbie2010 | so the only thing there is one .iso file? |
| 14:45.36 | abrotman | debiannewbie2010: no .. you burn it as an image .. what CD burning app are you going to use ? |
| 14:45.43 | abrotman | !train blondie |
| 14:45.53 | debiannewbie2010 | I have a Macintosh computer, but I have Windows XP |
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| 14:46.08 | debiannewbie2010 | I don't have burning software since I use the software that's built into Apple and Windows XP |
| 14:46.08 | abrotman | debiannewbie2010: that doesn't answer my question |
| 14:46.12 | blondie | debiannewbie2010: you don't burn the iso as a file |
| 14:46.17 | kspath_ | did you try xcdroast or gnomebaker? |
| 14:46.21 | abrotman | i'm sure OSX can burn an ISO |
| 14:46.22 | blondie | debiannewbie2010: use Disk Utility in OS X |
| 14:46.27 | abrotman | kspath_: those work on OSX? :) |
| 14:46.41 | blondie | Disk Utility in OS X will burn an ISO |
| 14:46.45 | debiannewbie2010 | Ok |
| 14:46.52 | debiannewbie2010 | Hmmm |
| 14:46.56 | debiannewbie2010 | I'm in there... |
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| 14:47.10 | blondie | click the radioactive icon |
| 14:47.11 | kspath_ | no idea I could not get my iBook in MacOSX to use my plextor burner via usb or firewire |
| 14:47.20 | abrotman | OSX sucks |
| 14:47.27 | kspath_ | that is why my iBook runs debian |
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| 14:47.50 | abrotman | kspath_: i object |
| 14:47.51 | debiannewbie2010 | You spent money to have an iBook run Debian? |
| 14:47.54 | debiannewbie2010 | Use your PCs |
| 14:47.55 | blondie | eh? |
| 14:48.01 | Bingo | hi, is it good to add this line in my sources.list when I use unstable : deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:48.05 | abrotman | just don't buy apple garbage at all :) |
| 14:48.08 | blondie | indeed |
| 14:48.18 | abrotman | Bingo: probably won't do much |
| 14:48.21 | blondie | debiannewbie2010: you spent money to run OS X? just use your PCs |
| 14:48.22 | bizkit | moshii: the only thing i'm currently asking myself is the burn-free and other buffer underrun protections, are they used by growisofs? dvdrecord seems to use them |
| 14:48.23 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 14:48.24 | dpkg | testing security is probably Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 14:48.25 | kspath_ | abrotman: got conned by hype from coworkers |
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| 14:48.33 | moshii | Bingo: unstable doesn't get security updates .. they just go into unstable |
| 14:48.39 | abrotman | kspath_: and now you're unemployed .. see how far that got you ? :) |
| 14:49.02 | kspath_ | abrotman: I was a HUGE apple fan years and years ago when they could not replace their OS with something that worked so I finally quit them |
| 14:49.11 | kspath_ | abrotman: lol |
| 14:49.26 | Bingo | ha ok, and wher is NON-US please for unstable? |
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| 14:49.29 | abrotman | kspath_: the best thing i saw from apple was a portrait oriented monitor |
| 14:49.34 | abrotman | Bingo: /msg dpkg non-us |
| 14:49.53 | blondie | beep |
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| 14:50.22 | abrotman | stupid roadrunner! |
| 14:50.23 | nanok | speaking of, anyone knows anything about <whisper>old alpha laptops</whisper> |
| 14:50.23 | nanok | ? |
| 14:50.25 | blondie | sorry didn't hear you |
| 14:50.30 | nanok | that would rock, big time.. :) |
| 14:50.32 | kspath_ | I had a full page monitor on my MacPlus back in the day it could switch to horizontal when I wanted to |
| 14:50.36 | abrotman | nanok: do they exist ? |
| 14:50.44 | abrotman | kspath_: yeah .. those |
| 14:50.44 | nanok | abrotman: so i've heard |
| 14:50.48 | mmars | ahhh... fabled techology.. |
| 14:50.49 | abrotman | nanok: google ... |
| 14:50.56 | moshii | bizkit: I think growisofs might use underrun protection, it can stop totally and start writing again |
| 14:50.58 | abrotman | nanok: though .. sparc laptops are readily available |
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| 14:51.06 | Bingo | thank you abrotman and moshii |
| 14:51.07 | blondie | abrotman: and silly |
| 14:51.13 | moshii | abrotman: but expensive |
| 14:51.14 | nanok | abrotman: i have, the question is where can one get such things?.. ;) |
| 14:51.20 | debiannewbie2010 | If I just move my .iso file onto the CD, would that be ok? |
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| 14:51.28 | debiannewbie2010 | Since I can't find out how to do it in Disk Utility |
| 14:51.29 | blondie | debiannewbie2010: no |
| 14:51.35 | blondie | it won't work |
| 14:51.38 | blondie | ffs |
| 14:51.40 | debiannewbie2010 | What do I have to do? |
| 14:51.42 | nanok | abrotman: ah, yeah, but sparc is not alpha, and besides, they are expensive as hell |
| 14:51.57 | abrotman | nanok: not really |
| 14:52.08 | debiannewbie2010 | blondie: what do I have to do? |
| 14:52.19 | abrotman | nanok: http://www.tadpolecomputer.com/html/products/mobile/sparcle/ |
| 14:52.21 | blondie | click the yellow/black Burn icon |
| 14:52.22 | nanok | abrotman: can one find old ones, in the league of p1-p2? |
| 14:52.24 | moshii | bizkit: thing with dvdrs is that even if they burn 100%, 1 in 10 won't read correctly |
| 14:52.28 | blondie | then select the ISO |
| 14:52.31 | blondie | then click Burn |
| 14:52.35 | debiannewbie2010 | Ooooh |
| 14:52.36 | debiannewbie2010 | Ok |
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| 14:52.43 | debiannewbie2010 | blondie: i'll try that |
| 14:52.53 | blondie | you need to put in a blank CD first, and tell Finder to ignore it |
| 14:53.04 | debiannewbie2010 | Ok |
| 14:53.11 | blondie | or maybe it'll ask for one if there's not one there already |
| 14:53.12 | debiannewbie2010 | blondie: what after that? |
| 14:53.32 | blondie | that's it |
| 14:53.37 | kspath_ | only thing that could possiblely get me to use MacOSX or MS Win are things like Maya but we have blender and pov-ray |
| 14:53.42 | blondie | you might need to click "OK" or something though :P |
| 14:53.47 | abrotman | nanok: not exactly cheap .. but it is a sparc laptop |
| 14:53.50 | debiannewbie2010 | Hmmmmm..... |
| 14:53.59 | debiannewbie2010 | blondie: i ignored the CD when it came in |
| 14:54.02 | debiannewbie2010 | I have the file on my desktop |
| 14:54.04 | debiannewbie2010 | What do I do? |
| 14:54.08 | blondie | WHAT |
| 14:54.08 | kspath_ | laptops are not cheap if you are worried about money |
| 14:54.14 | blondie | I think you should give up |
| 14:54.29 | nanok | abrotman: from 3grands up? not exactly cheap is an understatement |
| 14:54.31 | blondie | read what I said above about burning it. |
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| 14:54.51 | bizkit | debiannewbie2010: imho it's just cdrecord -dao dev=ATAPI:/dev/yourcdr image.iso |
| 14:54.53 | nanok | i was thinking more like 100usd old decomissioned alpha laptops sort of thing :) |
| 14:55.05 | blondie | bizkit: no no no no no no no no no |
| 14:55.10 | abrotman | nanok: but it is sparc :) |
| 14:55.15 | abrotman | nanok: http://cgi.ebay.com/Tadpole-SparcBook-3XP-85Mhz-MicroSparc-II-Processor_W0QQitemZ8739808677QQcategoryZ177QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 14:55.16 | bizkit | blondie: ? |
| 14:55.22 | blondie | bizkit: he's using OS X |
| 14:55.36 | nanok | my thinkpad770 will do just fine, for the 100usd i paid for it, thank you |
| 14:55.39 | nanok | :) |
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| 14:55.52 | bizkit | blondie: perhaps he should name himself osxnewbie |
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| 14:56.01 | debiannewbie2010 | i know OSX |
| 14:56.11 | blondie | debiannewbie2010: but not how to burn a CD... |
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| 14:56.13 | debiannewbie2010 | do you have a mac? |
| 14:56.19 | blondie | who? |
| 14:56.22 | debiannewbie2010 | you |
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| 14:56.23 | nanok | alpha would be nice though. very geekish and 133t, amongst others :) |
| 14:56.26 | blondie | at work I do |
| 14:56.30 | Kurtism | hi |
| 14:56.42 | abrotman | nanok: http://cgi.ebay.com/TADPOLE-tech-laptop-Ultrabook-IIi-U40-14-1X-256P-SUN_W0QQitemZ8743132362QQcategoryZ177QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ... for $100 .. not bad at all |
| 14:56.43 | moshii | nanok: look in skips at the back of banks for stuff like that |
| 14:57.11 | mutilator | does hyperthreading show as 1 processors instead of 2 when using 2.6 kernel? 2.4 kernel used to how 2 processors |
| 14:57.16 | nanok | moshii: yeah, that might be an idea ;) |
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| 14:57.38 | possie | anyone that has some expirience with perforce? im planning to use it |
| 14:57.40 | moshii | nanok: my dad got a 2.6ghz celeron with motherboard and memory from the recycling centre, 2 quid heh |
| 14:57.41 | nanok | moshii: i'll send spam to all banks, asking them for decomissioned hardware. maybe they'l like that :P |
| 14:57.46 | blondie | !anyone |
| 14:57.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:57.52 | abrotman | nanok: a 400Mhz SPARC with 256MB of ram would be more than enough to run X(assuming X supports the vid card) |
| 14:58.04 | abrotman | possie: and wrong channel .. perforce is not in debian |
| 14:58.09 | a_monkey | how do i log in as root in Gnome-terminal? |
| 14:58.10 | pipeline | nanok: alpha laptops are incredibly rare |
| 14:58.11 | kspath_ | moshii: omg |
| 14:58.21 | blondie | a_monkey: su - |
| 14:58.24 | pipeline | nanok: You would be lucky to find an alphabook for less than a couple of thousand dollars. |
| 14:58.32 | pipeline | nanok: They're in very, very, very high demand. |
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| 14:58.42 | nanok | abrotman: well, i should think so, i am running x on 233mhz of x86, 64 megs of ram , so.. |
| 14:58.52 | kspath_ | moshii: 2 quid is about 4-5 USD ? |
| 14:58.57 | nanok | pipeline: as in , colectors stuff? |
| 14:58.59 | possie | abrotman: because? |
| 14:59.01 | abrotman | nanok: it's more a question of video support .. though i'm sure framebuffer would work |
| 14:59.09 | abrotman | possie: because it's a closed app that you have to pay for? |
| 14:59.16 | nanok | abrotman: or maybe even vesa.. |
| 14:59.24 | moshii | kspath_: yeah, I got a Sony turntable and technics amp for a quid once |
| 14:59.27 | pipeline | nanok: Collectors create the supply shortage, in that they won't let'em go, but the high cost is from tru64 and VMS users in industry... |
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| 14:59.39 | blondie | £££ |
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| 14:59.45 | nanok | pipeline: i see |
| 15:00.02 | abrotman | nanok: if you want a RISC laptop .. get a SPARC one .. they're damn easy to find |
| 15:00.08 | nanok | well, i guess i'll just have to setle for a amd64, if it burns me :) |
| 15:00.12 | blondie | why do americans think # is a pound symbol? |
| 15:00.15 | gb | moshii: you're not pounding it hard enough :) |
| 15:00.29 | pipeline | blondie: Because it's commonly called "pound" and used to abbreviate weights. |
| 15:00.32 | moshii | gb: 33333 nope still just a 3 |
| 15:00.37 | nanok | abrotman: i'll keep that in mind, sounds sensible ;) |
| 15:00.38 | mutilator | .. |
| 15:00.42 | pipeline | blondie: Also, we don't have a proper pound-sterling on our keyboards. |
| 15:00.45 | kspath_ | blondie: # is pound and hash |
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| 15:00.53 | blondie | but pounds aren't a unit of weight |
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| 15:01.00 | Kanon | Good Morning People |
| 15:01.03 | pipeline | blondie: I'm afraid they are. |
| 15:01.04 | jstevens | if I use the finger command on someone... the last line of a response says "No Plan." ... any clue as to how to put something in there as to identifying a plan on a per-user basis? |
| 15:01.07 | blondie | pipeline: fraid not |
| 15:01.10 | moshii | blondie: pounds and stones .. |
| 15:01.11 | blondie | they are a unit of mass |
| 15:01.16 | bbrazil | blondie: yes they are, imperial measurment |
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| 15:01.22 | pipeline | blondie: No, mass is measured in a different unit in imperial units. |
| 15:01.23 | blondie | bbrazil: it's mass not weight |
| 15:01.26 | blondie | no |
| 15:01.32 | blondie | what unit would that be? |
| 15:01.34 | pipeline | blondie: Imperial unit of mass is "slugs" |
| 15:01.37 | blondie | erm |
| 15:01.39 | blondie | bs |
| 15:01.39 | bbrazil | blondie: kilograms are mass, pounds are weight |
| 15:01.40 | gb | moshii: if it comes out with a 3 you're not pounding it hard enough |
| 15:01.41 | kspath_ | blondie: physics look it up |
| 15:01.48 | blondie | complete BS |
| 15:01.51 | pipeline | blondie: Bullshit? I'm afraid not. |
| 15:01.54 | blondie | fraid so |
| 15:01.57 | pipeline | blondie: http://www.sizes.com/units/slug.htm |
| 15:01.57 | bbrazil | blondie: 'pound of pressure' |
| 15:01.59 | kspath_ | blondie: weight is not mass lb is weight |
| 15:02.05 | abrotman | nanok: there is some channel on freenode that deals with classic computing |
| 15:02.05 | blondie | no, lb is mass |
| 15:02.08 | gb | male bovine excrement? |
| 15:02.10 | abrotman | pipeline: you got unbanned! |
| 15:02.12 | pipeline | The imperial unit of mass is slugs. The imperial unit of weight is pounds. |
| 15:02.14 | Greatred | lb is force |
| 15:02.22 | pipeline | abrotman: Indeed. Dondelecaro never responded, but now I can talk, so go figure. |
| 15:02.26 | pipeline | Greatred: Actually, pound-feet is force. |
| 15:02.27 | moshii | echo $LC_CTYPE |
| 15:02.27 | moshii | ja_JP.UTF-8 |
| 15:02.31 | pipeline | Greatred: Newtons, rather |
| 15:02.33 | nanok | abrotman: yeah, i should think so. it just came up and it reminded me |
| 15:02.37 | moshii | that's the problem with my pound key ;) |
| 15:02.38 | Greatred | pound-feet is a torque |
| 15:02.43 | Greatred | or a moment |
| 15:02.53 | nanok | abrotman: not trying to go offtopic or anything..just an inocent digression :) |
| 15:03.04 | pipeline | You know, I've never, ever seen anything enumerated in "slugs" |
| 15:03.08 | gb | nanok: innocent? |
| 15:03.10 | pipeline | The only time I've ever run into "slugs" is during discussions of trivia |
| 15:03.14 | abrotman | nanok: yeah .. but i was suggesting the channel because they might be able to help you find an alphabook |
| 15:03.29 | kspath_ | I was physics before computers |
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| 15:03.41 | pipeline | nanok: You could ask in #classiccmp, but they'll just laugh at you because they're so damn rare/expensive. |
| 15:03.52 | abrotman | i'm still voting for a sparcbook |
| 15:03.57 | gb | yay an eddie murphy movie is on bye ppl |
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| 15:04.10 | moshii | how about an Amiga portable .. ;) |
| 15:04.13 | kspath_ | we used metric mostly but practiced old measurement units to make sure we could and would deal with them correctly |
| 15:04.13 | ciler | HBO? |
| 15:04.14 | nanok | pipeline: yeah, i know they are rare, didnt know for sure about expansive. thanks for the insight ;) |
| 15:04.18 | pipeline | moshii: There are none. |
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| 15:04.30 | moshii | pipeline: there was a kit for the A600 and A1200 |
| 15:04.30 | abrotman | apple sucks |
| 15:04.49 | _rene_ | abrotman: and the sparc stuff is completely supported? including pm, sleep etc? |
| 15:04.50 | nanok | gb: yeah, laptop in an unconftble position (i.e. not on my lap :). sorry |
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| 15:05.01 | _rene_ | abrotman: under free OSes that is (read: Linux) |
| 15:05.04 | pipeline | _rene_: Under Solaris, yes. |
| 15:05.13 | blondie | "The pound (avoirdupois) or international pound, abbreviation "lb" or sometimes # in the United States, is the mass unit defined as exactly 0.45359237 kilogram (or 453.59237 grams). This definition has been in effect since a 1959 agreement among the national standards laboratories of the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand. [1] It is part of the avoirdupois system of mass units. |
| 15:05.16 | _rene_ | pipeline: bah, go away with Solaris |
| 15:05.19 | blondie | In the United States, the pound has been officially defined as a unit of mass and defined in relation to the kilogram since 1893, but its value in relation to the kilogram was altered slightly in 1894, and again to its current value in 1959 (which only differs from the 1894 definition by approximately one part in 10 million)." |
| 15:05.22 | abrotman | _rene_: for a laptop .. NFC .. i don't own one .. but i don't even use suspend on my x86 laptop .. so i doubt i'd even care :) |
| 15:05.44 | _rene_ | abrotman: I do. works fine on my iBook :) |
| 15:05.44 | pipeline | blondie: It's still not formally a unit of mass. And the avoirdupois system only pertains to weight. |
| 15:06.04 | _rene_ | pipeline: I did say *free* one -> Linux |
| 15:06.05 | abrotman | _rene_: yeah .. but if you don't use it .. will you care if it doesn't work .. nope .. i'd still rather buy a sparc book than apple stuff |
| 15:06.08 | blondie | pipeline: wrong |
| 15:06.18 | pipeline | _rene_: Solaris is free. |
| 15:06.18 | Trev_ | setting up a www forum on home webserver - low usage maybe 30 members tops - is phpbb2 the recommended app or is there something else I should look into ? |
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| 15:06.29 | _rene_ | pipeline: as the CDDl is non-free and GPL-inkompatible so you can't link GPL apps against suns libc... |
| 15:06.31 | pipeline | Trev_: They're all full of security holes. Have fun. |
| 15:06.34 | kspath_ | blondie: please believe us why would we lie to you? |
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| 15:06.50 | blondie | I didn't say you were lying, merely mistaken |
| 15:06.50 | pipeline | _rene_: CDDL is not non-free. You can link GPL apps against sun's libc as libc is standardized. |
| 15:07.02 | _rene_ | nope. CDDL is GPL-incompatible |
| 15:07.04 | Trev_ | pipeline: yea.. soo I have read.. heh.. is there one that is not as bad as the others =P phpbb2 I have heard some horror stories.. |
| 15:07.10 | pipeline | _rene_: We would have no GPL apps if that were not the case, as there was no free C library until very recently. |
| 15:07.16 | kspath_ | blondie: the sky is blue is a false statement but people believe that also |
| 15:07.28 | _rene_ | pipeline: oh, you are one of the nexenta guys?. go away. |
| 15:07.31 | abrotman | kspath_: it certainly appears blue :) |
| 15:07.37 | pipeline | _rene_: Nexenta is run by fools. |
| 15:07.55 | kspath_ | and to some the lb is a unit of mass |
| 15:08.00 | _rene_ | pipeline: right. fools that don't understand that what tghey are doing is not completely legal |
| 15:08.07 | pipeline | _rene_: It's certainly legal. |
| 15:08.21 | pipeline | _rene_: Linking against libc in no way creates a derivative work. That much is certain. |
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| 15:08.36 | _rene_ | pipeline: if I had a GPL app used on Solaris I would sue Nexenta and/or someone else. Like the FSF got told that GNOME is used by Sun on Solaris. Let's se.... |
| 15:08.38 | nanok | it IS blue. by deffinition. the sky is blue, (usually), i.e. the atmosphere and the sky are to different things |
| 15:08.43 | pipeline | _rene_: You could make a case about linking against vendor C++ libraries, as no two are compatible, so... |
| 15:09.11 | pipeline | _rene_: You would sue, you would lose. Because it's a moronic argument. |
| 15:09.17 | pipeline | _rene_: Pursue it no further. |
| 15:09.25 | blondie | kspath_: yes, and most people think kg and lb are units of weight, but they technically are not. |
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| 15:09.34 | kspath_ | I decided to stick with x86 -> AMD and Intel 64bit not messing with ANY other arch crap anymore done with PPC also unless a job forces me to use IBM |
| 15:09.43 | kspath_ | blondie: exactly |
| 15:09.43 | blondie | _rene_: stop trolling |
| 15:10.12 | _rene_ | blondie: I don't. I just read the licenses. I just tell him the truth he obviously doesn't want to hear. |
| 15:10.13 | abrotman | aren't gnome's libraries mostly LGPL ? |
| 15:10.23 | _rene_ | abrotman: some of the apps iirc are GPL |
| 15:10.26 | pipeline | nanok: Heh, the ultrabooks kind of suck. |
| 15:10.33 | abrotman | the apps yes .. but libraries are mostly LGPL |
| 15:10.34 | pipeline | nanok: They're not as sexy as their 32-bit predecessors, anyway. |
| 15:10.41 | _rene_ | abrotman: whose you are not allowed to link against suns CDDLed libc |
| 15:10.43 | kspath_ | blondie: and people think eating fat makes someone fat also there are many things like that that school and society fail to teach correctly |
| 15:10.46 | pipeline | abrotman: Virtually everything in gnome's core distribution is LGPL. |
| 15:10.50 | _rene_ | if you read each license strict |
| 15:10.53 | abrotman | _rene_: those are apps .. i'm asking about libraries |
| 15:10.59 | pipeline | _rene_: You can't read the license, clearly. |
| 15:11.01 | blondie | kspath_: I'm not sure what you're arguing... |
| 15:11.05 | pipeline | _rene_: That is not the case. As I mentioned just a moment ago. |
| 15:11.19 | _rene_ | pipeline: lol, it's not my interpretation only.. |
| 15:11.23 | nanok | pipeline: :). actually, from what i have seen so far, (including one macintosh laptop), the ibm's are the sexyest |
| 15:11.27 | pipeline | _rene_: Your interpretation is faulty. |
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| 15:11.37 | _rene_ | pipeline: tell that the FSF |
| 15:11.39 | nanok | no matter how old. incrediblly well built |
| 15:11.39 | blondie | _rene_: are you sure your English is good enough for reading the GPL? :) |
| 15:11.40 | pipeline | nanok: Heh, there are PPC notebooks out there capable of running AIX. |
| 15:11.46 | _rene_ | blondie: yes |
| 15:11.51 | blondie | _rene_: uhuh. |
| 15:11.52 | kspath_ | blondie: more like a statement on the sad state of education and knowledge throughout the world but especially in average US schools |
| 15:11.52 | pipeline | _rene_: The FSF does not agree with you. |
| 15:11.56 | abrotman | blondie: i think _rene_ is english :) |
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| 15:12.07 | _rene_ | nope, german |
| 15:12.12 | pipeline | nanok: The Thinkpad 720 / 820 / 850 IIRC |
| 15:12.14 | abrotman | though .. i oculd be wrong .. it happened twice yesterday! |
| 15:12.22 | blondie | abrotman: german isp |
| 15:12.22 | ciler | hehe, even bananas |
| 15:12.23 | nanok | pipeline: that's a different matter. same as with alpha. but as far as built quality is concerned, i have seen nothing that compares to ibms |
| 15:12.32 | pipeline | nanok: They suck at running AIX, however, as they have little RAM and are limited to AIX 4.x. Debian runs like a champ on'em. |
| 15:12.52 | kspath_ | guten tag |
| 15:12.57 | nanok | pipeline: yeah, and if you can run debian, why would one run anything else.. :) |
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| 15:13.14 | _rene_ | This is a free software license which is not a strong copyleft; it has some complex restrictions that make it incompatible with the GNU GPL. It requires that all attribution notices be maintained, while the GPL only requires certain types of notices. Also, it terminates in retaliation for certain aggressive uses of patents. So, a module covered by the GPL and a module covered by the CDDL cannot legally be linked together. We urge you |
| 15:13.16 | nanok | interesting, i didnt know those were ppc |
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| 15:13.28 | _rene_ | from http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses |
| 15:13.35 | nanok | pipeline: thanks for the tip, that's an interesting piece of info ;) |
| 15:13.43 | _rene_ | "make it incompatible with the GPL" |
| 15:13.53 | _rene_ | "a module covered by the GPL and |
| 15:13.54 | _rene_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:14.25 | kspath_ | having more than one arch is annoying you have to keep updates for both and security updates sometimes do not happen together and you end up having to burn two of everything at least UGH |
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| 15:15.15 | pipeline | _rene_: That is deliberately dumbed down to cover the general case. In the specific case of things like libc, that's just not the case. End of story. |
| 15:15.30 | kspath_ | plus if you are not running x86 there are tons of things that may not be available/open to you |
| 15:15.33 | pipeline | nanok: The really interesting bit is that they can run Solaris/PPC. |
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| 15:15.45 | pipeline | kspath_: Burn, natch |
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| 15:15.57 | pipeline | kspath_: I haven't burned an OS installation CD in a long time |
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| 15:16.51 | kspath_ | pipeline: I have debians ubuntu centos fedora fbsd obsd ... but I am going to toss fedora :-) |
| 15:17.08 | kspath_ | and two gentoo installers also |
| 15:17.14 | pipeline | kspath_: Debian and Redhat are both easily installed over the network. That's why I have a network, after all. |
| 15:17.18 | _rene_ | pipeline: I disagree, most of Debian disagrees. See the thread where the Nexenta suckers pooped up on debain-devel. funny thread... Even them at the end thought about it and asked for e.g dpkg to relicensed because dpkg is GPLed... |
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| 15:17.49 | kspath_ | pipeline: true but I use netinstall after cd boot |
| 15:17.51 | pipeline | _rene_: Fortunately, what folks on debian-devel have to say isn't binding in courts of law. |
| 15:17.57 | _rene_ | anyway, this is #debian and not #solaris-and-non-free-advocacy |
| 15:18.11 | pipeline | kspath_: Why boot off of a CD when you have the network at hand? |
| 15:18.26 | pipeline | _rene_: The CDDL is not non-free under DFSG. |
| 15:18.27 | kspath_ | pipeline: yeah, true |
| 15:18.43 | kspath_ | pipeline: why have disks when you have RAM |
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| 15:18.49 | abrotman | _rene_: do you do debian-legal ? |
| 15:19.02 | abrotman | i was just wondering .. not trying to start another flame war :) |
| 15:19.11 | _rene_ | no, I keep out of this. But I do such discussions when I get urged to do :) |
| 15:19.16 | pipeline | kspath_: Because I don't have enough RAM :( |
| 15:19.34 | _rene_ | (and FWIW, I agree with many of -legals decisions) |
| 15:19.39 | kspath_ | pipeline: I know that feeling you can not have too much RAM |
| 15:19.56 | abrotman | _rene_: don't we have a -legal person here ? andrew ? |
| 15:19.56 | xnor | does anyone know how i easy can backup my system to a dvd? |
| 15:20.00 | nanok | pipeline: hell! i want an 850 for christmas! damn, that's nice. thanks :) |
| 15:20.21 | pipeline | nanok: heh, Solaris/PPC is hard to find. That's the kind of thing you would want to ask for on the classiccmp list :P |
| 15:20.28 | nanok | pipeline: 800x600 dislay though, but hell, who cares! |
| 15:20.30 | nanok | :) |
| 15:20.33 | _rene_ | anyway |
| 15:20.39 | kspath_ | I saw something HURD that was whining that debian/hurd is not free |
| 15:20.43 | abrotman | yeah .. and apple still sucks! :) |
| 15:20.50 | _rene_ | as this is #debian, and the sparcbooks don't have full Linux support, they are out of question :) |
| 15:20.58 | kspath_ | abrotman: what sucks? |
| 15:21.02 | _rene_ | where the iBooks etc. have full support :) |
| 15:21.26 | nanok | abrotman: it is in it's veins. but it has a lot of catching up to do to sony, anyway |
| 15:21.28 | abrotman | _rene_: define full linux support |
| 15:21.32 | nixxie | for bash, is it just .bash_logout or _logoff as a script to ran at that time? |
| 15:21.39 | _rene_ | abrotman: everything works |
| 15:21.42 | abrotman | _rene_: does the kernel boot .. and i can get a shell ? |
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| 15:21.49 | abrotman | to me .. that's full linux support .. |
| 15:21.51 | _rene_ | abrotman: even the wlan does now work |
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| 15:22.04 | abrotman | kspath_: everything ! |
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| 15:22.15 | blondie | sucking is good! |
| 15:22.18 | blondie | yay for sucking |
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| 15:22.32 | SimonRaven | logout |
| 15:22.36 | abrotman | no! |
| 15:23.07 | kspath_ | lol |
| 15:23.16 | pipeline | mmm, cairo-enabled GTK engines |
| 15:23.21 | kspath_ | this channel is hilarious |
| 15:23.34 | abrotman | kspath_: tell us .. how are we funny? .. do we amuse you? |
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| 15:23.58 | bbrazil | nixxie: .bash_logout - but check the manpage |
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| 15:24.34 | swatikiss | i am having problems mounting a friend's usb drive on my computer... it complains that the fs type is wrong... |
| 15:24.35 | kspath_ | abrotman: I loved those SNL skits |
| 15:24.37 | abrotman | bbrazil: what are you doing? .. don't help people .. get involved in a pointless discussion! |
| 15:24.45 | kspath_ | lol |
| 15:24.46 | abrotman | kspath_: you mean ... Goodfellas ? |
| 15:24.58 | abrotman | swatikiss: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 15:25.15 | bbrazil | abrotman: I disagree that the discussion is pointless |
| 15:25.23 | abrotman | bbrazil: which one? :) |
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| 15:25.32 | bbrazil | abrotman: any of them :) |
| 15:25.35 | abrotman | apple sucking .. CDDL? alphabook vs sparcbook? |
| 15:26.00 | kspath_ | stop I can not breath |
| 15:26.41 | bbrazil | kspath_: apt-get install doxygen |
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| 15:28.59 | darkcmd | hi |
| 15:29.00 | rod | How to install a meta package except for one package which is in that meta package? |
| 15:29.11 | abrotman | it's a dependency |
| 15:29.19 | abrotman | rod: what meta package ? |
| 15:29.22 | _rene_ | install all the dependencies except that one... |
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| 15:29.40 | darkcmd | Why does everyone seem to think this is the channel for Debian... do they not realize that Ubuntu does not equal Debian? |
| 15:29.51 | abrotman | darkcmd: go away troll |
| 15:30.12 | rod | abrotman, well it's not apropiate to mention that package in here ^^ |
| 15:30.15 | liran_ | is there some guide i can read on how to create patches for .c code? |
| 15:30.17 | ke6isf | darkcmd: Even Shuttleworth says it's not Debian. Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time. |
| 15:30.18 | abrotman | rod: why not? |
| 15:30.24 | darkcmd | abrotman: I'm not a troll.. sorry if I came across as one.. I saw the topic and had some question |
| 15:30.28 | rod | abrotman, it's ubuntu-desktop :) |
| 15:30.33 | abrotman | darkcmd: about ubuntu ? |
| 15:30.33 | darkcmd | sorry if I came off as a troll :| |
| 15:30.36 | _rene_ | rod: ok, wrong channel |
| 15:30.36 | abrotman | rod: then ask #ubuntu |
| 15:30.41 | rod | lol |
| 15:30.45 | valdyn | liran_: patch does not care which language the file contains |
| 15:30.50 | rod | well but this question is apt-get specific |
| 15:30.55 | darkcmd | abrotman: about people coming in here and thinking it's #ubuntu when this is #debian |
| 15:30.56 | liran_ | valdyn, yeah im just being specific :) |
| 15:31.03 | abrotman | and ubuntu gave you your apt-get .. ask #ubuntu |
| 15:31.05 | ke6isf | Oy gevalt... |
| 15:31.07 | valdyn | liran_: man 1 patch |
| 15:31.19 | abrotman | rod: really .. please ask #ubuntu |
| 15:31.26 | kspath_ | whereis #apt-get |
| 15:31.29 | valdyn | liran_: and man 1 diff |
| 15:31.32 | Eulex | liran_, and man diff |
| 15:31.34 | rod | Like i said, this question is apt-get specific... I'm just asking how to install a meta package except for one specific one.... Could be a Debian case as well, couldnt it |
| 15:31.37 | darkcmd | rod: ubuntu does modify debian utilities |
| 15:31.44 | abrotman | rod: please ask #ubuntu |
| 15:31.45 | rod | darkcmd, i know |
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| 15:32.01 | ke6isf | !ubuntusmite rod |
| 15:32.04 | rod | but this is a apt-get specific question... There is no apt-get channel afaik |
| 15:32.05 | darkcmd | your question pertains to #ubuntu |
| 15:32.08 | Eulex | rod, just install all packages except one that the metapackage depends on... |
| 15:32.31 | abrotman | rod: Ubuntu provided you with the apt-get on your system .. your question is about an Ubuntu package .. it is not at all related to #debian |
| 15:32.34 | rod | I dont know what pertain means but im sure it pertains to apt-get |
| 15:32.39 | kspath_ | rod: is there a #apt ? |
| 15:32.40 | valdyn | liran_: additionally every oss project should have a document describing the patch format they use |
| 15:32.42 | ke6isf | rod: Then file a bug. |
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| 15:32.55 | rod | well anyway i hear it already... no help in here |
| 15:33.09 | rod | i still love debian though ;) |
| 15:33.10 | ke6isf | rod: Of course not. It's an ubuntu problem, not a Debian problem. |
| 15:33.22 | rod | there is no ubuntu problem not a debian problem |
| 15:33.28 | rod | there is a apt-get question |
| 15:33.34 | rod | *not = nor |
| 15:33.35 | nanok | pipeline: well, nice, the 850, but i think i should first get to fit a hdd in my current 770, and think about it only after.. :) |
| 15:33.43 | abrotman | rod: Ubuntu gave you your apt-get .. it is a problem for them |
| 15:33.46 | kspath_ | I would not come in hear and ask knoppix or libranet or xandros based questions about apt |
| 15:33.51 | darkcmd | rod: the ubuntians should know just as much about apt-get as debian does.... |
| 15:33.54 | ke6isf | rod: Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 15:33.58 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 15:33.59 | dpkg | it has been said that ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 15:34.00 | valdyn | rod: earthy colored backgrounds clearly are an ubuntu but not a debian problem ;) |
| 15:34.03 | ke6isf | rod: It is an Ubuntu problem. |
| 15:34.04 | Eulex | rod, triggered by some faulty ubuntu packages that aren't installable, right? |
| 15:34.05 | darkcmd | Ubuntu is debian... plus crap |
| 15:34.08 | rod | debian people are more technical then ubuntu peeps |
| 15:34.13 | abrotman | so what?! |
| 15:34.21 | ke6isf | rod: ...and? |
| 15:34.24 | abrotman | rod: PLEASE .. go to #ubuntu |
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| 15:34.34 | darkcmd | rod: if I installed apt-get on a slackware machine, would I be running debian?? no |
| 15:34.39 | rod | so i thought i'd better ask my Technical Apt-Get Question in here first |
| 15:34.47 | ke6isf | Oh, for fuck's sake. |
| 15:34.49 | abrotman | gah .. stupid people! |
| 15:34.50 | rod | lol |
| 15:34.56 | ke6isf | !ops user rod is not getting the message. Possible troll. |
| 15:34.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: user rod is not getting the message. Possible troll. |
| 15:34.59 | darkcmd | rod: why do you keep dragging it on.. we told you to go to #ubuntu.. go there |
| 15:35.11 | rod | well yeah im fine with it |
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| 15:35.25 | darkcmd | rod: you've been labeled troll |
| 15:35.32 | ke6isf | It's in the ops' hands now. |
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| 15:35.40 | rod | but i just stand my ground with the fact that im asking a apt-get question not a specific ubuntu question |
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| 15:35.44 | darkcmd | ke6isf: good reporting |
| 15:35.54 | rod | alright i rest |
| 15:35.56 | abrotman | rod: where did you get your apt-get from ? |
| 15:36.00 | darkcmd | rod: you've pissed everyone off.. how the hell do you expect to get an answer |
| 15:36.08 | fluff | rod: what is your question? |
| 15:36.17 | abrotman | fluff: take him to #ubuntu |
| 15:36.29 | rod | fluff, illl msg you about it instead :) |
| 15:36.31 | ke6isf | darkcmd: Sankyu. =^^= |
| 15:36.36 | gnube | So there is a bug in Exim4 TLS: http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4KnownBugsInSarge?highlight=%28exim4%29 |
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| 15:36.46 | SimonRaven | someone forcefull take him there |
| 15:36.50 | gnube | which means that my TLS has stopped because I lack entropy |
| 15:36.51 | valdyn | rod: apt-get install meta-package, dont hit Y, copy what you want instead, apt-get install <paste what you want> |
| 15:36.54 | SimonRaven | y |
| 15:36.56 | Eulex | !topicsmite rod |
| 15:36.56 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon rod. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 15:37.03 | SimonRaven | gnube: so make some |
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| 15:37.12 | darkcmd | rod: the channel states that this is not #ubuntu |
| 15:37.17 | rod | oohh wow Valandil ,thanks... Good one! :D |
| 15:37.27 | Eulex | rod, "/msg bots NOT people" |
| 15:37.33 | darkcmd | it's debian, and debian does not equal ubuntu.. the two are completely different |
| 15:37.36 | darkcmd | rods fucking up today |
| 15:37.37 | gnube | SimonRaven: THe thing is is that my server is on the net, it is hard to make entropy there. |
| 15:37.54 | rod | lol luckely over here the day is almost over already |
| 15:37.59 | gnube | plus I need > 1000 and right now I have 0 |
| 15:38.00 | Lipo | how can i change my keyboard setup? |
| 15:38.03 | bbrazil | gnube: cat /dev/had > /dev/random |
| 15:38.06 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 15:38.06 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 15:38.08 | bbrazil | gnube: *hda |
| 15:38.20 | ke6isf | gnube: cat /dev/random. There's your entropy. =^^= |
| 15:38.23 | SimonRaven | gnube: ssh in, run a find /usr -iname foo for a little while, then kill it |
| 15:38.26 | gnube | bbrazil: THing is, once I run out again, TLS stops working again. |
| 15:38.30 | Zugschlus | gnube: I wouldn't call that a bug |
| 15:38.37 | Zugschlus | gnube: it's currently an unresolved issue |
| 15:38.40 | bbrazil | gnube: you'll get the disk interupts, and whatever entropy your hdd has |
| 15:38.42 | ke6isf | Off to werk... |
| 15:38.50 | gnube | Ah! Sorry, unresolved issue |
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| 15:38.56 | Zugschlus | with is, IMO, partially shared between gnutls and the kernel |
| 15:39.02 | bbrazil | gnube: can you poke it to use urandom rather than random? not as secure though |
| 15:39.03 | swatikiss | abrotman, thanks, but now the usb drive doesnt show up "speacial device does not exist" |
| 15:39.18 | gnube | bbrazil: I suppose that is what I should try. |
| 15:39.19 | abrotman | swatikiss: what does dmesg say about it ? |
| 15:39.22 | Zugschlus | but there does not seem to be any gnutls knowhow around |
| 15:39.24 | Zugschlus | *shrug* |
| 15:39.31 | swatikiss | abrotman, about what? I have the out put here |
| 15:39.50 | Eulex | swatikiss, then replace /dev/hda with whatever device your hdd has. |
| 15:40.07 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:40.07 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 15:40.21 | Lipo | i have set keymap to my lang but i still can't write some chars |
| 15:41.00 | Eulex | Lipo, is your locale set correctly? |
| 15:41.21 | Lipo | donno |
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| 15:41.31 | gnube | Hmm. No /dev/hda but /dev/vzfs, maybe that will work too. |
| 15:41.39 | swatikiss | abrotman, are you in #flood? |
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| 15:41.51 | Lipo | Eulex, yes |
| 15:41.57 | Eulex | Lipo, dpkg-reconfigure locales. select an utf-8 one, if possible, |
| 15:41.57 | tom | how do i change the system's hostname? i changed /etc/hostname but /bin/hostname still outputs the old hostname |
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| 15:42.12 | bbrazil | tom: hostname -f /etc/hostname |
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| 15:42.23 | dererk | Hi there! |
| 15:42.24 | bbrazil | tom: that'll reload the kernel value |
| 15:42.57 | valdyn | gnube: theres an "entropy gathering daemon" |
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| 15:43.04 | kspath_ | tom: check your /etc/hosts file you may have to update that as well |
| 15:43.11 | gnube | valdyn: Really, that might be useful |
| 15:43.21 | dererk | I'm just wondering why isn't vim GUI enabled on Debian packages :-\ |
| 15:43.35 | _rene_ | it is |
| 15:43.45 | valdyn | gnube: http://www.gnupg.org/(de)/download/index.html#EGD |
| 15:43.45 | darkcmd | i think it is a seperate package |
| 15:43.46 | _rene_ | you just need to install the package... |
| 15:43.49 | kspath_ | vim-gtk ? vim-* ? |
| 15:43.54 | darkcmd | gvim |
| 15:43.57 | darkcmd | I think |
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| 15:44.10 | Lipo | how can i change my keyboard layout? |
| 15:44.16 | dererk | darkcmd, gvim doesn't exist on repos |
| 15:44.26 | valdyn | gnube: probably better: http://www.gnupg.org/download/index.html#EGD |
| 15:44.39 | zumbi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.42 | ale_ryu | hey guys |
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| 15:44.50 | ale_ryu | I'm having a little problem here |
| 15:44.57 | _rene_ | dererk: then vim-gtk. or vim-gnome. go search. apt-cache is your friend |
| 15:45.00 | gnube | valdyn: Thanks, off I go |
| 15:45.03 | kspath_ | derek: apt-cache search vim ? |
| 15:45.06 | ale_ryu | yesterday I updated my system using apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:45.13 | zOap | If I want to "downgrade" a package in apt, say libc6, how to do it? remove it first or is there some other way? |
| 15:45.18 | valdyn | gnube: im not sure if this isnt only useful for gpg, but uh, worth a look probably |
| 15:45.31 | dererk | _rene_, yes, of course.. but I was looking for "gvim" :) |
| 15:45.38 | goccias | Lipo: checked /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 for Option "XkbModel" "pc105" ? |
| 15:45.39 | dererk | Now I know it's a separated package :) |
| 15:45.48 | bbrazil | zOap: thats not a package you want to be downgrading |
| 15:45.52 | _rene_ | of course it is. anything else would be broken |
| 15:46.02 | syl-2 | hi there, what's the "file system" of a floppy? im trying to mount one from a command-line interface... |
| 15:46.14 | _rene_ | you don't want to force gtk etc stuff on people who just want "vim" on their servers for example |
| 15:46.18 | bbrazil | syl-2: FAT normally (vfat) |
| 15:46.29 | zOap | bbrazil, I made a mistake and upgraded it to unstable and it has caused me so much problems... |
| 15:46.34 | syl-2 | bbrazil: thx, i'll try it |
| 15:46.41 | _rene_ | zOap: haha |
| 15:46.48 | _rene_ | zOap: easiest way: reinstall. |
| 15:46.52 | kspath_ | derek: I like plain vim in a aterm or wterm maybe a screen |
| 15:46.53 | Lipo | goccias, its Option "XkbModel" "pc104" |
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| 15:46.59 | _rene_ | zOap: other ways are possible but can end in nightmares. |
| 15:47.02 | zOap | _rene_, reinstall libc6 or deb? |
| 15:47.12 | _rene_ | zOap: the whole system. |
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| 15:47.26 | bbrazil | zOap: did you 'upgrade' anything besides libc6? |
| 15:47.29 | zOap | well, that is out the question.. well, thanks anyway |
| 15:47.37 | _rene_ | because the package system doesn't really support downgrades. maintainer scripts only have to care for upgrades |
| 15:47.50 | valdyn | gnube: http://www.exim.org/mail-archives/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20050718/msg00080.html |
| 15:47.51 | zOap | bbrazil, well, I cant remember now. there might be.. |
| 15:47.53 | goccias | Lipo: i think you won't get some chars with 104 |
| 15:48.01 | _rene_ | and some stuff isn't easy to roll-back. for example, downgrading libc6 breaks loads of installed stuff |
| 15:48.09 | kspath_ | derek: I use gedit as a tabbed scratchpad |
| 15:48.25 | bbrazil | zOap: reinstall then, you could probably drop back to testing |
| 15:48.33 | _rene_ | maybe even core stuff like cat/ls/... etc. so.... |
| 15:48.35 | zOap | maybe liglib 2.. |
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| 15:48.46 | dererk | Thanks for your help |
| 15:48.54 | dererk | _rene_, thks :) |
| 15:49.02 | dererk | Gotta go now |
| 15:49.05 | dererk | Have a nice day! |
| 15:49.10 | zOap | well, I'll just have to live with it.. only scite that reacts the most, and emelfmæ |
| 15:49.20 | Lipo | goccias, then change it to pc105? |
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| 15:49.39 | syl-2 | bbrazil: what's the usual device name of the floppy disk? |
| 15:49.49 | goccias | Lipo: look for an options in your desktop "control center" |
| 15:49.49 | ale_ryu | hey, maybe you don't need to change it to pc105 |
| 15:49.55 | bbrazil | syl-2: fd0 iirc - its been a while |
| 15:49.59 | gnube | valdyn: You are an excellent source of info today! |
| 15:50.03 | ale_ryu | I have a spanish keyboard and it works on pc104 |
| 15:50.06 | SimonRaven | yes, fd0 |
| 15:50.08 | gnube | valdyn: Thanks |
| 15:50.19 | syl-2 | aw. i had just forgot the path name.thx again :P |
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| 15:50.32 | Lipo | goccias, there isent that option |
| 15:50.36 | Lipo | using KDE |
| 15:50.42 | goccias | Lipo: there is |
| 15:51.02 | goccias | i'm 100% sure |
| 15:51.02 | Lipo | oh :) |
| 15:51.08 | Lipo | yea there is |
| 15:51.14 | darkcmd | anyone in here ever use debian on their sparcstation? |
| 15:51.50 | gnube | I feel like such a n00b having zero entropy. |
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| 15:52.01 | gnube | Ya gotta have entropy, sheesh. |
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| 15:53.01 | ale_ryu | hey, yesterday I updated my system using apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and the updating process removed k3b from my installation! |
| 15:53.10 | ale_ryu | and now I can't get it back! |
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| 15:53.23 | ale_ryu | any suggestions for me? |
| 15:53.36 | valdyn | ale_ryu: reinstall and treat dist-upgrade with care next time |
| 15:53.47 | Lipo | how can i install my lang? |
| 15:53.47 | ale_ryu | no way! lol |
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| 15:54.53 | ale_ryu | I tried adding to my sources.list the address of the debian packages in the k3b webpage but when I do apt-get update it says it doesn't have signatures or something... |
| 15:55.08 | Lipo | ¡@£$ |
| 15:55.12 | Lipo | it works :D |
| 15:55.14 | Lipo | thx goccias |
| 15:55.25 | darkcmd | ale_ryu: what branch are you running? |
| 15:55.31 | ale_ryu | etch |
| 15:55.32 | goccias | Lipo: np |
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| 15:56.40 | darkcmd | ale_ryu: seems broken |
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| 15:57.01 | ale_ryu | okay! |
| 15:57.23 | ale_ryu | so I can't get my k3b back? |
| 15:57.24 | syl-2 | now im trying to read my hotmail messages through hotway, but i'm not very good at using the "mail" command. would there be a more user-friendly client for the command line? |
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| 15:57.31 | ale_ryu | reinstalling is the only way? |
| 15:57.39 | valdyn | syl-2: mutt |
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| 15:59.09 | jshriver | Greetings anyone here use Palm with Debian? |
| 15:59.16 | syl-2 | cool!! |
| 15:59.44 | jshriver | when I use pilot-xfer it generates garbase as my Uername |
| 15:59.48 | jshriver | how do I set my username on the palm |
| 15:59.54 | KLD | mutt can read web-based mail |
| 15:59.56 | KLD | ? |
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| 16:00.20 | KLD | thought it was just for local mail |
| 16:00.24 | kspath | I already do folding@home and distributed.net for debian teams anything else I can do beside actually help anyone? :-) |
| 16:00.41 | syl-2 | not sure, but i think "hotway" is supposed to act as a pop3 server, while it can access to http mail |
| 16:00.41 | valdyn | KLD: read his question again |
| 16:00.44 | jshriver | hrm folding@home is nice |
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| 16:01.30 | gnube | You can use mutt with fetchmail, which can be somewhat easier. |
| 16:01.41 | bibe | syl-2 : consider freepops for reading web-based email (hotmail, gmail, and a zillion other webmails) using a local "fake" pop3 server |
| 16:02.07 | valdyn | bibe: what's wrong with hotway? |
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| 16:03.37 | syl-2 | the toughest part is always the config. |
| 16:03.45 | syl-2 | i never know where the files / options are :P |
| 16:04.21 | kilo | Can I install Java runtime 1.5 from a deb file for sarge, or do I have to download it from Sun? |
| 16:04.29 | nkuttler | syl-2: /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 16:04.58 | bibe | kilo : try unofficial debian repositories |
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| 16:05.11 | kilo | bibe, where are those? |
| 16:05.45 | bibe | kilo : or build your own .deb using make-jpkg (apt-get install java-package) |
| 16:06.03 | nkuttler | kilo: /msg dpkg java or google blackdown |
| 16:06.08 | kilo | k |
| 16:06.09 | kilo | thanks |
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| 16:06.58 | darkcmd | freepops looks much better than hotway |
| 16:07.08 | GomoX | Hi |
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| 16:07.20 | j0nas | can some one tell me how to share hdc1 in smb ( http://j0nas.ath.cx/sys ) so i can acces it over the lan? |
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| 16:07.26 | GomoX | How can i prevent apt-get upgrade from installing a kernel-image package when I have a custom one installed already? |
| 16:07.34 | GomoX | I don't want mine to be touched |
| 16:07.41 | sfr | hi - i had to compile a patched version of perl-tk - how can i create a debian package - checkinstall doesn't work... |
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| 16:08.03 | nkuttler | j0nas: apt-get install samba-doc |
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| 16:08.22 | j0nas | nkuttler: samba is installed |
| 16:08.34 | j0nas | aha |
| 16:08.39 | michael | can I easily switch from stable to unstable? |
| 16:08.42 | j0nas | you meen the docks? |
| 16:08.48 | nkuttler | docs even |
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| 16:08.54 | nkuttler | michael: why? |
| 16:09.15 | michael | nkuttler: because I feel the software I use is outdated? |
| 16:09.24 | valdyn | !outdated |
| 16:09.25 | nkuttler | michael: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 16:09.29 | valdyn | !latest |
| 16:09.30 | dpkg | i heard latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 16:09.40 | j0nas | nkuttler: i have added the disk in my smb.conf but i wont work anyway |
| 16:09.51 | nkuttler | j0nas: seriously, read the docs |
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| 16:10.01 | valdyn | michael: what exactly is outdated? |
| 16:10.08 | Pedro420 | I am trying to figure out how to basically do a grep Foo bar.log in a less -S +F way.. watch doesnt seem to do it, because I cannot see the whole log it scrolls off my terminal |
| 16:10.12 | Kurtism | are there any Opensource Desktop Publishing projects? |
| 16:10.17 | gentgeen__ | j0nas, there are a lot of little possibilities -- you need to look at the docs |
| 16:10.23 | Kurtism | like Microsoft Publisher only opensource |
| 16:10.28 | nkuttler | Kurtism: scribus? |
| 16:10.33 | j0nas | nkuttler: i'l try but it's a pain in the ass when u'r a dyslectic |
| 16:10.44 | gentgeen__ | j0nas, permission problems, missing something in the config file, smbpasswd stuff, etc |
| 16:10.45 | Kurtism | scribus? never heard of it |
| 16:10.57 | valdyn | i heared macosx is nice for dyslexic people ;) |
| 16:11.00 | Pedro420 | piping grep into less which is expecting incomming data constantly.. doesnt work either. could I maybe watch grep | less ? :P |
| 16:11.06 | zOap | _rene_, bbrazil , I found that it was the libpango package which caused me all the problems. Had to remove amule, but who cares.. Now i'ts all joy:) |
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| 16:11.54 | gnube | Pedro420: Not really sure what you are trying to do, could you explain it a little more clearly? |
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| 16:12.51 | gnube | Do you want to keep a log file open to watch incoming events? |
| 16:12.52 | Pedro420 | gnube: I am looking to make an icon that monitors logs in tabs... I setup gnome-terminal profiles to run different commands.. I want the same log updating in real time in 5 different tabs.. each tab will grep different messages |
| 16:12.54 | gnube | if so try tail |
| 16:13.24 | nkuttler | Pedro420: tail -f file | grep foo? |
| 16:13.30 | Pedro420 | there may be a really nice log monitor app I could use instead *shrug* something graphical perhaps |
| 16:13.58 | gnube | enveezee: Look at Splunk on SourecForge, it may hold some use for you. |
| 16:14.10 | goccias | enveezee: swatch ? |
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| 16:14.27 | gnube | enveezee: Or you can run a cron job that awks your logs. |
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| 16:14.51 | gnube | mmmmmm . . . awk |
| 16:15.06 | enveezee | splunk.sf.net is a 404 |
| 16:15.26 | gnube | splunk.com |
| 16:15.34 | gnube | Gooooooooogle |
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| 16:16.27 | Eulex | then try www.sourceforge.net/projects/splunk |
| 16:16.37 | enveezee | I think the tabbed terminal is working |
| 16:16.39 | enveezee | its simple |
| 16:16.56 | enveezee | gnome-terminal --tab-with-profile="foo" |
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| 16:17.13 | enveezee | you just make profiles for each log and make an icon for each one |
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| 16:17.39 | xai | What is the standard way/package for java support in firefox? |
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| 16:18.03 | abrotman | swatikiss: still no luck ? |
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| 16:18.08 | goccias | xai :a symlink ? :) |
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| 16:18.20 | enveezee | makes a neat log viewer.. I just havent found the ideal command to run on it.. I want what consolelog package does only in X, and able to view same log on different psuedoterminals with different messages |
| 16:18.20 | gnube | xai: You may want to download firefox extensions right from the firefox site. |
| 16:19.07 | kspath_ | enveezee: screen ? |
| 16:19.08 | xai | gnube: i don't see any java extension. |
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| 16:19.16 | valdyn | !java-package |
| 16:19.16 | dpkg | it has been said that java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 16:19.20 | valdyn | xai: ^^^ |
| 16:19.37 | kspath_ | enveezee: screen in an aterm or a wterm ? |
| 16:19.47 | enveezee | kspath yeah but I want it to be pointy-cliky this is obviously being done to make graphical users more aware of logs |
| 16:20.07 | enveezee | kspath using tabs they can click on each one |
| 16:20.19 | xai | valdyn: thanks. |
| 16:20.22 | kspath_ | roottail? multitail? |
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| 16:20.42 | enveezee | I'd just like the info to scroll like with less -S +F, but have the log grepped for a different context on each one |
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| 16:21.07 | enveezee | I need a grep pipe :P |
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| 16:21.19 | goccias | swatch does it |
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| 16:21.35 | kspath_ | or pcre usage in perl or python |
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| 16:22.11 | xai | valdyn: is that what you use? |
| 16:22.20 | valdyn | xai: yea |
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| 16:22.52 | enveezee | goccias: looks like it uses tail libs |
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| 16:23.01 | odla | when should xorg 7.0 hit experimental or is it already there? |
| 16:23.03 | Agent_137 | How do I create some sort of autoperform with ircii? or ksirc? |
| 16:23.15 | goccias | enveezee: i use swatch in console : crm114 is also gvery good |
| 16:23.24 | Estes2 | Hi everyone :) is there a way to bind rsync on two ports at the time ? |
| 16:23.42 | enveezee | goccias: ah shit its awk-fu and my awk-fu is weak |
| 16:24.06 | rootnoverify | erm.. the nvidia one-liner provided by dpkg wont work |
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| 16:24.09 | xai | valdyn: cool link. I didn't even know about that site.. |
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| 16:25.33 | kchz | Estes2: did you tried redirecting ports with netfilter? |
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| 16:25.43 | bibe | rootnoverify : do you have kernel-headers-$(uname -r) installed? |
| 16:25.47 | enveezee | goccias: ah, it has a read pipe too. I missed that |
| 16:25.48 | valdyn | odla: not yet, why care though? |
| 16:25.49 | goccias | enveezee: cant' rememer the name but i'm sure a grafical log viewer like you are talking was in woody |
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| 16:25.55 | odla | just curious |
| 16:26.02 | kilo | How do I extract a rar file in Debian? |
| 16:26.04 | valdyn | odla: since 6.9.0 is identical for users |
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| 16:26.08 | Eulex | kilo, unrar |
| 16:26.11 | nukeu666 | kilo:install unrar |
| 16:26.18 | bibe | kilo : unrar or unrar-nonfree |
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| 16:26.21 | Estes2 | kchz, i should... just was wondering if it had it originaly like apache |
| 16:26.35 | Estes2 | ok... Thanks :) |
| 16:26.36 | goccias | enveezee: i'm using 3.0.4-1 version |
| 16:26.41 | enveezee | goccias: there probably is some kind of graphical log viewer.. I may look and see. I am looking for some features though and I think swatch and gnome terminal will do it if nothing else will |
| 16:26.49 | kilo | thanks all |
| 16:27.04 | goccias | enveezee: i'm sure woody had it and very nice |
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| 16:27.48 | kilo | Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 16:27.54 | goccias | enveezee: gnome terminal ? gooood : so i'll go back to gnome if you do a nice job :) |
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| 16:28.01 | kilo | E: Package unrar has no installation candidate |
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| 16:28.20 | kilo | goccias, gnome-terminal? |
| 16:28.32 | SimonRaven | gnome has one, kinda lame though. i just run a screen session plus less +F logfile |
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| 16:29.04 | goccias | kilo: i'm a kde user courtesy of poor gnome terninal :) |
| 16:29.12 | nkuttler | kilo: it's in non-free |
| 16:29.22 | SimonRaven | !non-free |
| 16:29.22 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html |
| 16:29.27 | goccias | konsole is a magnificent terminal |
| 16:29.32 | kspath_ | omg |
| 16:29.34 | kspath_ | no |
| 16:29.38 | cybo-mobile | howdy, installed java as per http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian , using firefox 1.5 My browser does not have java enabled, what do I need to do? |
| 16:29.39 | kspath_ | it is a pig |
| 16:29.43 | goccias | almost perfect for what i need |
| 16:29.51 | Eulex | xfce4-terminal++ |
| 16:29.55 | goccias | nahhh |
| 16:29.57 | kspath_ | konsole and gnome-terminal are very pretty pigs |
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| 16:30.18 | gnube | cybo-mobile: Enable Java? |
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| 16:30.23 | nkuttler | cybo-mobile: you need a symlink to the plugin in some mozilla directory |
| 16:30.25 | goccias | while in xfce i found myself loading konsole : i'm addicted to it |
| 16:30.30 | kspath_ | aterm and/or wterm or rxvt are all anyone needs 99% of the time if you add screen |
| 16:30.33 | Firestarter | has anyone here playes sim city for linux? |
| 16:30.34 | kilo | nkuttler, there is no unrar, even when I execute apt-cache search unrar |
| 16:30.41 | cybo-mobile | nkuttler that is what I was thinking, only I havent a clue |
| 16:30.46 | nkuttler | kilo: do you have non-free sources |
| 16:30.55 | nkuttler | cybo-mobile: /msg dpkg java-plugin iirc |
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| 16:31.02 | Kurtism | man there is nothing for free desktop publishing suites out there |
| 16:31.13 | Kurtism | everything is rather halfassed |
| 16:31.20 | valdyn | Kurtism: latex! |
| 16:31.21 | nkuttler | Kurtism: what don't you like about scribus? |
| 16:31.43 | kilo | nkuttler, nope....never added them? Where do I get the sources from? |
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| 16:31.54 | Kurtism | I dunno man it seems rather so so |
| 16:32.12 | nkuttler | kilo: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 16:32.23 | kilo | thanks |
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| 16:32.38 | rootnoverify | bibe, nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2-386 is already the newest version. |
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| 16:32.39 | nkuttler | valdyn: he asked for a ms publisher replacement... |
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| 16:32.46 | Ambigel | el KOPETE no me reconoce el password de mi cuenta MSN, me dice que está equivocada; pero con aMSN si entra... |
| 16:32.50 | valdyn | nkuttler: yea, i know |
| 16:32.51 | cybo-mobile | nkuttler, bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
| 16:32.51 | cybo-mobile | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:32.57 | nkuttler | god... |
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| 16:33.14 | nkuttler | cybo-mobile: in _this_ window |
| 16:33.20 | cybo-mobile | doh! |
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| 16:33.21 | kchz | cybo-mobile: ln -sf /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so |
| 16:33.22 | cybo-mobile | lol |
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| 16:33.48 | gregn | I'm trying to port foward incomming requests on eth0 to an ip on eth1 but this iptables statement isn't work -> /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 -d 192.168.2.1 --dport 80 -j ACCEPT /usr/sbin/iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp -i eth1 -d 192.168.2.1 --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 16:33.55 | cybo-mobile | nkuttler, that NEVER crossed my mind. |
| 16:33.58 | echnaton | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.59 | echnaton | why? |
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| 16:34.57 | valdyn | gregn: your rule does not do dnat |
| 16:35.12 | gregn | is there an example i can look at? i tried googling around |
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| 16:36.20 | valdyn | gregn: www.lartc.org |
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| 16:37.27 | valdyn | gregn: you're looking to do DNAT anyway, ACCEPT wont do that. |
| 16:38.07 | gregn | .. /usr/sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 -d 192.168.1.100 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.2.1:80 ive tried that as well |
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| 16:38.26 | kspath | UGH xfce4-terminal is a VERY pretty pig also |
| 16:38.54 | juice` | does anyone know why setting ulimit -m or ulimit -v limits doesnt count for apache? i mean i add it to apache init scripts, but apache process are still growing larger |
| 16:40.21 | valdyn | gregn: using -A for this is uh, risky, as you probably have a rule above that DENYing or DROPing that packet |
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| 16:40.53 | xai | gregn: http://pastebin.com/484278 |
| 16:41.06 | xai | gregn: that is the function i used to use for iptables.. it works. |
| 16:41.43 | xai | i'm talking to ghosts. |
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| 16:42.46 | kchz | xai: firehol does it the easy way |
| 16:42.58 | bluescree | sorry to jump in with a question .. but i've just upgraded from 2.4.27 to 2.6.14 and after a reboot it says my root partition doesn't exists and jumps to an ash shell ? ... tnx in advance for any help ... :D |
| 16:42.59 | VPR5703 | Quick question |
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| 16:43.16 | valdyn | bluescree: your disk is on a sata interface? |
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| 16:43.28 | xai | kchz: perhaps, but that wasn't his questions. |
| 16:43.30 | rootnoverify | apt-get nvidia-glx keeps complaining about depencies(nvidia-kernel-1.0.8178).. |
| 16:43.32 | VPR5703 | Im on WinXP right now, d/l ing the Sarge Debain distrobution. How do I install drivers in Debain? |
| 16:43.34 | bluescree | ide .. so it's looking for /dev/hda1 ... using grub as a boot loader |
| 16:43.38 | kchz | ok |
| 16:43.42 | valdyn | rootnoverify: as it should |
| 16:43.47 | darkcmd | VPR5703: Debian |
| 16:43.55 | VPR5703 | oops. Sorry. |
| 16:44.07 | rootnoverify | valdyn, what do you mean? |
| 16:44.09 | darkcmd | it's alright :D |
| 16:44.10 | VPR5703 | Sometimes I switch things around. |
| 16:44.29 | valdyn | rootnoverify: that nvidia glx depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.8178, so it refuses to install if that package is not installed. |
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| 16:44.40 | bluescree | valdyn ... also have installed udev as i understand 2.6 doesn't use devfs anymore |
| 16:44.41 | VPR5703 | Ive got a file for my Broadcom-based Belkin F5D7000 Wireless PCI card. |
| 16:45.04 | VPR5703 | Extension is .tar.bz2 |
| 16:45.08 | valdyn | bluescree: you used devfs in debian/sarge? |
| 16:45.16 | valdyn | bluescree: somehow i doubt that.. |
| 16:45.18 | _sfr | how long does it take approxamatley to fx a critical bug when there a patch available? |
| 16:45.25 | rootnoverify | valdyn, it's supposed to depend on nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) |
| 16:45.38 | valdyn | rootnoverify: no |
| 16:45.40 | darkcmd | VPR5703: most likely the debian kernel will support your NIC out of the box |
| 16:45.46 | bluescree | valdyn : i for the latest debian iso-cd and just used defaults ... i've changed the source.list to unstable ... and updated |
| 16:45.47 | VPR5703 | Hmm OK |
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| 16:46.16 | bluescree | valdyn : for = got |
| 16:46.16 | VPR5703 | I read that Linux doesnt support the Broadcom 43xx series of wireless chips yet. |
| 16:46.37 | rootnoverify | valdyn: no? eh? http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html says so, and dpkg told me about that page |
| 16:46.37 | lawnchair | i just read something on digg.com i think about new broadcam drivers |
| 16:46.43 | VPR5703 | hmm |
| 16:46.45 | odla | any use icewm and know how i should go about setting up rebootcommand and shutdowncommand in .preferences so that when i press alt+ctrl+del that when i click on either reboot or shutdown it actual reboots or shutdowns and doesn't just log me out of my apps? |
| 16:46.50 | VPR5703 | Ill take a look at it |
| 16:47.17 | valdyn | rootnoverify: i cant read obviously. |
| 16:47.21 | valdyn | rootnoverify: or that is you ;) |
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| 16:47.28 | kchz | how do i switch from xserver-xfree86 to xorg? |
| 16:47.35 | darkcmd | odla: hello.. set the commands to halt, and reboot, and make sure you as a user can issue them |
| 16:47.38 | juice` | does anyone know why setting ulimit -m or ulimit -v limits doesnt count for apache? i mean i add it to apache init scripts, but apache process are still growing larger |
| 16:47.43 | AciD | kchz > apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 16:48.10 | rootnoverify | valdyn: Ok.. but what did I do wrong then? |
| 16:48.11 | kchz | Acid: sure thats all? |
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| 16:48.36 | VPR5703 | lawnchair, thats the driver file I have on my hard drive. |
| 16:48.39 | valdyn | rootnoverify: you did nothing wrong, you just did not make and install nvidia-kernel-blah |
| 16:48.40 | VPR5703 | :P |
| 16:49.04 | cybo-mobile | well, I got the java fixed. thanks to you guys. |
| 16:49.27 | kchz | cybo-mobile: how did you do? |
| 16:49.39 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:49.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 16:49.50 | valdyn | rootnoverify: ^^^ |
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| 16:50.25 | rootnoverify | valdyn: that's the one who gave me that error.. |
| 16:51.05 | cybo-mobile | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.10 | valdyn | rootnoverify: dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-source | tail -1 |
| 16:51.13 | drivamgr2006 | how do i get dpkg to send me information rather than print it on screen? |
| 16:51.36 | cybo-mobile | kchz, /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so symlinked to /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7 libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 16:51.41 | valdyn | drivamgr2006: /msg dpkg foo |
| 16:51.41 | rootnoverify | valdyn: ii nvidia-kernel- 1.0.8178-1 NVIDIA binary kernel module source |
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| 16:51.50 | drivamgr2006 | thanks valdyn |
| 16:51.56 | kchz | cybo-mobile: ok |
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| 16:51.58 | valdyn | rootnoverify: m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 16:51.59 | cybo-mobile | kchz, that may be the other way around, never quit sure how to say that. |
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| 16:52.46 | cybo-mobile | Q: If I link /home/foo to /home/test/foo1 and foo1 does not yet exists then foo1 is the symlink to foo? |
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| 16:52.54 | rootnoverify | /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-[blablabla].deb already exists, not rebuilding! |
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| 16:53.03 | VPR5703 | Im reading a lot about ndiswrapper. |
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| 16:53.19 | VPR5703 | Does anyone have expirience with this program? |
| 16:53.23 | bluescree | valdyn : so no idea what could be causing the issue of not finding my ide hdd ? |
| 16:53.25 | stew | !ndiswrapper |
| 16:53.25 | dpkg | it has been said that ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 16:53.26 | blondie | !anyone |
| 16:53.26 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:53.34 | kchz | cybo-mobile: it's ok, if you have just 1 jre installed |
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| 16:54.01 | cybo-mobile | kchz, I dont understand that statement? |
| 16:54.20 | valdyn | rootnoverify: dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-1.0.8178 | tail -1 |
| 16:54.26 | cybo-mobile | kchz, Oh, I get it. |
| 16:54.32 | VPR5703 | hm Ok |
| 16:54.39 | drivamgr2006 | I also need some help. I used to belong to a group called the PLF. We used to provide an external non-free service for another distro, and i'd like to start a repo for debian. How would I do this? |
| 16:54.47 | kchz | cybo-mobile: you can get installed half a dozen java vms |
| 16:54.52 | cybo-mobile | kchz, if I used a diff jre for, say testing, I would need another link to set things clean and rightly |
| 16:54.54 | rootnoverify | valdyn: No packages found matching nvidia-kernel-1.0.8178. |
| 16:55.10 | valdyn | rootnoverify: so you didnt really run m-a a-i ? |
| 16:55.20 | kchz | cybo-mobile: and get managed with alternatives package |
| 16:55.21 | stew | cybo-mobile: /msg dpkg java-package ; you should be managing those symlinks via update-alternatives |
| 16:55.23 | valdyn | rootnoverify: dpkg -i /usr/src/nvidia-kernel*deb |
| 16:55.37 | kchz | cybo-mobile: aha |
| 16:55.44 | cybo-mobile | stew the scripts seem foobar, else I wold never have needed to do it to start |
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| 16:55.52 | stew | cybo-mobile: what scripts? |
| 16:56.18 | stew | cybo-mobile: make-jpkg? |
| 16:56.21 | kchz | cybo-mobile: that's why i have symlinked /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so |
| 16:56.31 | cybo-mobile | stew yes |
| 16:56.32 | rootnoverify | valdyn: Setting up nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2-386 (1.0.7174-3+2.6.8-16sarge1) ... |
| 16:56.36 | pipeline | drivamgr2006: Read the debian new-maintainer's guide, then set up an apt repository. |
| 16:56.42 | stew | cybo-mobile: how so? do you have a bug #? |
| 16:56.55 | drivamgr2006 | thanks pipeline. mucho appreciated |
| 16:56.58 | cybo-mobile | stew , no I do not but apt-listbugs knows about it. |
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| 16:57.21 | gregn | I'm trying to port foward (192.168.1.100:80 @ eth0) to (192.168.2.1:80 @ eth1) tried these commands iptables -I FORWARD -p tcp -d 192.168.2.1 --dport 80 -j ACCEPT; iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.1.100 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.2.1:80; |
| 16:57.26 | hackeron | I'm getting an ATI Radeon Xpress 200 chipset motherboard (not by choice), can someone tell me what doesnt work out of box? |
| 16:57.33 | gregn | still no go |
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| 16:57.53 | valdyn | rootnoverify: oh funny |
| 16:58.00 | stew | cybo-mobile: you are trying to use an IBM jdk? |
| 16:58.07 | valdyn | rootnoverify: thats your [blahblah] hiding the truth =p |
| 16:58.11 | Pixel83 | hi, I've got the following problem: I've got a machine on which yesterday audio ran perfect under ubuntu. today I installed the current testing iso of debian and each time something tries to access sound, the system hangs completely... any ideas? |
| 16:58.25 | cybo-mobile | stew, no, sun |
| 16:58.44 | cybo-mobile | stew, to be fair, using sid fwiw |
| 16:58.49 | rootnoverify | valdyn: what do you mean? :p |
| 16:59.07 | cybo-mobile | never had an issue with sarge |
| 16:59.07 | valdyn | rootnoverify: paste the complete error m-a a-i nvidia is giving |
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| 16:59.36 | cybo-mobile | stew if it matters I can give you the symlink listed for firefox in alternatives? |
| 16:59.48 | bluescree | anyone else willing to help out with a 2.4 to 2.6 kernel upgrade issue, where after rebooting it won't find /dev/hda1 ? |
| 17:00.00 | cybo-mobile | kchz, I copied that down and will pursue it. |
| 17:00.13 | rootnoverify | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/484301 |
| 17:00.18 | stew | cybo-mobile: i just don't see what bug you are talking about in the bts. if you have found a bug that hasn't been filed, i'm hoping you would file one |
| 17:00.20 | kchz | cybo-mobile: ok |
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| 17:01.01 | cybo-mobile | stew, apt-listbugs reported when I apt-get installed java-package fakeroot : scripts make symlink in wrong location |
| 17:01.08 | archopllux | hi |
| 17:01.27 | archopllux | what's a good solution to bulk-installing debian? |
| 17:01.28 | valdyn | rootnoverify: dpkg -S /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz |
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| 17:01.57 | rootnoverify | valdyn: nvidia-kernel-source: /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz |
| 17:02.05 | Agent_137 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.07 | Agent_137 | hrm |
| 17:02.22 | cybo-mobile | stew, ergo, if apt-listbugs knows about it, it is a listed bug. |
| 17:02.40 | valdyn | rootnoverify: dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-source | tail -1 |
| 17:02.44 | valdyn | rootnoverify: something doesnt fit here |
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| 17:02.53 | kchz | cybo-mobile: note that /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 17:03.18 | rootnoverify | valdyn: does it help you if I tell you that I'm using xorg? |
| 17:03.18 | cybo-mobile | kchz so noted |
| 17:03.23 | valdyn | rootnoverify: nope |
| 17:03.26 | rootnoverify | valdyn: ii nvidia-kernel- 1.0.8178-1 NVIDIA binary kernel module source |
| 17:03.59 | valdyn | rootnoverify: a) you have 8178 source installed, b) m-a claims you do not |
| 17:04.16 | cybo-mobile | kchz here it points to mozilla-firefox/libjavaplugin.so which is a symlink back to /usr/lib/javasomething |
| 17:04.21 | rootnoverify | valdyn: hm.. now what to do? |
| 17:04.32 | valdyn | rootnoverify: apt-get remove --purge nvidia-kernel-source; apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 17:05.01 | archopllux | rootnoverify: what's the problem? |
| 17:05.20 | rootnoverify | valdyn: I'm going to eat, pm me if you have any other things to say, thanks anyway |
| 17:05.30 | archopllux | rootnoverify: i'm using nvidia with xorg, i might be able to help |
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| 17:05.58 | atrus | stupid question: an "AMD Sempron 3000+" with the "AMD 64" logo on it is a 64 bit processor that should be compatable with the amd64 debian packages, right? |
| 17:06.11 | archopllux | atrus: right |
| 17:06.37 | cybo-mobile | kchz, correction: here: /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjav aplugin_oji.so |
| 17:06.46 | cybo-mobile | kchz, and yet it would not work |
| 17:06.47 | atrus | okay. i'm sort of thrown because, with the exception of that one logo (which is actually a sticker), there's no mention of "64 bit" on the package at all |
| 17:07.19 | valdyn | atrus: www.amd.com |
| 17:07.19 | goccias | archopllux: what do you mean by "bulk-installing" ? |
| 17:07.20 | pipeline | archopllux: bulk-installing debian? read the debian-installer documentation. It's possible to set a set of packages for unattended installation. |
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| 17:07.39 | pipeline | archopllux: oh, and you probably want pxeboot.tar.gz |
| 17:08.03 | gregn | I'm trying to port foward (192.168.1.100:80 @ eth0) to (192.168.2.1:80 @ eth1) tried these commands iptables -I FORWARD -p tcp -d 192.168.2.1 --dport 80 -j ACCEPT; iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.1.100 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.2.1:80; |
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| 17:08.43 | gregn | still cant get it to work |
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| 17:09.05 | goccias | archopllux: you might want to check fai-client on http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2005/51/ |
| 17:09.10 | kspath | atrus: less /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 17:09.35 | atrus | kspath: i haven't opened it yet. i don't really want to until i'm sure this is the right thing |
| 17:09.37 | archopllux | atrus: meaning it's a sempron64 |
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| 17:09.42 | Set | Debian owns |
| 17:10.03 | archopllux | pipeline: thanks |
| 17:10.08 | atrus | it doesn't say "sempron 64" on the package anywhere. |
| 17:10.14 | kspath | atrus: mine is a AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+ 4358 bogomips |
| 17:10.29 | Set | isn't sempron 64 only a stripped down Athlon 64? |
| 17:10.42 | archopllux | goccias: i know about fai, but i want installation from CD |
| 17:10.51 | archopllux | goccias: bootable |
| 17:10.55 | atrus | how do i know it's a sempron vs a sempron 64 though? |
| 17:11.08 | kspath | yeah I seem to think sempron is 64bit with 32 comptability |
| 17:11.11 | archopllux | Set: yep, what else.. |
| 17:11.16 | Set | is it socket 754? |
| 17:11.18 | Set | or socket a? |
| 17:11.29 | cybo-mobile | I do not understand why /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 17:11.29 | cybo-mobile | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.29 | Set | just install the 32 bit version of the application/distro |
| 17:11.33 | archopllux | atrus: a sempron64 is a smaller chip |
| 17:11.42 | atrus | Set: socket 754 |
| 17:12.24 | Set | atrus, did you buy it? |
| 17:12.34 | VPR5703 | atrus it doesnt look the like the Sempron is 64 bit |
| 17:12.45 | VPR5703 | only based on the Athlon 64, but without the 64 bit extensios |
| 17:12.48 | atrus | Set: yes |
| 17:12.55 | Set | there are 64-bit versions of the sempron |
| 17:12.59 | VPR5703 | hmm. |
| 17:13.04 | Set | atrus, check the store where you bought it |
| 17:13.22 | kspath | atrus: crap I didnt know AMD was confusing people with socket A semprons |
| 17:13.41 | VPR5703 | yeap |
| 17:13.45 | VPR5703 | OK. |
| 17:13.45 | kchz | cybo-mobile: did you ran update-alternatives? |
| 17:14.02 | cybo-mobile | ahhhh, no |
| 17:14.04 | VPR5703 | Im hunting through every website I know of, AMD included, no mention of Semrpons being 64 bit |
| 17:14.09 | kspath | if AMD would slaughter the deceiver marketing people EVERYONE would be happier |
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| 17:14.21 | Jack_Bauer | Chuck Norris is on a mission, That mission is to rename the "White House" to "Round House" and kick the crap out of terrorisim. |
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| 17:14.23 | atrus | well their website says this is a "64 bit" processor |
| 17:14.29 | VPR5703 | Thats strange |
| 17:14.50 | VPR5703 | Every forum ive been to says they are not 64 |
| 17:14.56 | archopllux | hmm |
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| 17:15.00 | lwr | hi everybody |
| 17:15.11 | stew | !sempron |
| 17:15.11 | dpkg | it has been said that sempron is AMD's new (2004) budget line of 32-bit processors, to replace the Duron line. Sempron 2800+ and lower are socket A; 3100+ and higher are socket 754. See <k7>. a Thoroughbred core Athlon XP (k7) by a flashy name |
| 17:15.23 | kspath | maybe they are not fully 64 bit everywhere but can execute 64bit code |
| 17:15.28 | VPR5703 | maybe |
| 17:15.29 | stew | they are 32 bit |
| 17:15.44 | VPR5703 | Thats what I thought |
| 17:15.44 | cybo-mobile | no quesiton about it, semp. are 32bit |
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| 17:15.49 | lwr | I'd like to install BSD/OS (BSDI, not FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc...), can somebody help me? |
| 17:16.05 | cybo-mobile | lwr, yes sombody can help you, #freebsd |
| 17:16.14 | lwr | thanks cybo-mobile... |
| 17:16.19 | archopllux | they are trying to make the transition to 64bit smoother |
| 17:16.20 | drivamgr2006 | So how come AMD have Sempron's which go socket 754 and some sempron which are a socket A??? |
| 17:16.23 | kspath | but the non-socket A Sempron has the memory controller ... |
| 17:16.30 | VPR5703 | Right |
| 17:16.34 | archopllux | drivamgr2006: read above |
| 17:16.35 | cybo-mobile | and if you ask that question there they will eat you for lunch |
| 17:16.40 | VPR5703 | Socket 754 has onboard FSB/Memory Controllers |
| 17:16.46 | stew | lwr: you mean that you want to install debian gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 17:16.50 | stew | lwr: or just freebsd? |
| 17:17.04 | cybo-mobile | stew, good quesiton. |
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| 17:17.16 | SerajewelKS | are there any text editors or viewers available on debian that specialize in viewing text files several hundred megabytes in size, text search, etc, with minimal memory consumption? |
| 17:17.23 | stew | actually he said not freebsd |
| 17:17.23 | lwr | stew, nop, BSD 4.3 is the want I'd like to try |
| 17:17.33 | stew | lwr: why on earth would you ask here? |
| 17:17.38 | archopllux | drivamgr2006: if a 64bit sempron is very cheap, people will be willing to buy it and the needed motherboard to support it, and when the time comes to upgrade, they would just need a new and better processor, which will have to be 64bit |
| 17:17.41 | kspath | vim? lol |
| 17:17.41 | Eulex | !bsd |
| 17:17.42 | dpkg | read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people, or 00:48 < beta3> BSD stand for Bull Shit Distribution |
| 17:17.53 | cybo-mobile | LOL |
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| 17:17.56 | atrus | apparantly this is a "sempron-64", but i can't tell if that's technically 64 bit or just a marketing word |
| 17:17.59 | lwr | stew, usually tech level here it's pretty good... |
| 17:18.00 | VPR5703 | The Sempron I think is meant to be a "bridge" between the AXP and A64s |
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| 17:18.17 | _gass_ | hello ... someone from mozilla team that can help with thunderbird + calendar extension? |
| 17:18.19 | archopllux | VPR5703: that's what i'm trying to say |
| 17:18.21 | _gass_ | it does not work |
| 17:18.23 | cybo-mobile | lwr, geeks get funny about their relig.. I mean their os |
| 17:18.24 | VPR5703 | Its probably a marketing term because they are based on Socket 754 Athlon64s |
| 17:18.25 | lwr | I bet most of us here didn't just tried debian and sticked to it... |
| 17:18.29 | SerajewelKS | kspath: afaik vim mallocs the whole file |
| 17:18.31 | VPR5703 | sorry Archo. |
| 17:18.32 | Eulex | lwr, you should ask in a channel where it's on topic |
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| 17:18.43 | streuner | _gass_: mozilla.org (com) -->support |
| 17:18.48 | atrus | store says "i think it's a 64 bit" :/ |
| 17:18.55 | VPR5703 | lol |
| 17:18.56 | Jack_Bauer | Chuck Norris died ten years ago, but the Grim Reaper can't get up the courage to tell him. |
| 17:19.05 | archopllux | _gass_: dude, just state what the problem is and people will try and help you, there's not necessarily anybody from the mozilla "team" or whatever other team here |
| 17:19.16 | cybo-mobile | lwr for general *nix stuff you can check in #oklinux, they might know |
| 17:19.20 | VPR5703 | half of the people who work at the stores dont know what they are talking about, in my expireince |
| 17:19.21 | kspath | SerajewelKS: less and sed or less and perl regex less and python pcre ...... |
| 17:19.28 | lwr | thanks cybo-mobile |
| 17:19.38 | SerajewelKS | kspath: doesn't less load the whole file too? |
| 17:19.39 | kspath | SerajewelKS? |
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| 17:20.14 | kspath | SerajewelKs: honestly, I am spit balling did not test those largest I ever open are 20-50MB ever |
| 17:20.25 | valdyn | atrus: do you already have a 32 bit debian installed on that box? |
| 17:20.28 | VPR5703 | Ahhhaa |
| 17:20.31 | VPR5703 | from Cnet.com |
| 17:20.32 | VPR5703 | The 3100+ processor is based on the K8 architecture (using Socket 754) without the 64-bit support, while the rest of the lineup is based on the older K7 Thoroughbred core (using Socket A). According to AMD, the 2200+ and 2300+ chips will be made available only in emerging markets. |
| 17:20.39 | VPR5703 | talking about the Semps |
| 17:20.41 | archopllux | anyway, you might as well just buy a socket 939, X2 is the shit |
| 17:20.42 | atrus | valdyn: i haven't installed this cpu/motherboard yet |
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| 17:21.08 | kspath | VPR5703: good information danke |
| 17:21.15 | VPR5703 | Sure. |
| 17:21.15 | atrus | VPR5703: so the 3000+ has got to be 32bit only? |
| 17:21.18 | stew | SerajewelKS: neither less nor vim mmap the entire file when you open a large file |
| 17:21.19 | VPR5703 | yeap |
| 17:21.19 | kchz | if i apt-get install xserver-xorg ... then what about nvidia driver later? dude i need to reinstall .. |
| 17:21.25 | VPR5703 | Semprom is NOT 64 bit |
| 17:21.29 | VPR5703 | *Sempron |
| 17:21.38 | atrus | what about Sempron-64? |
| 17:21.44 | VPR5703 | never heard of it |
| 17:21.48 | valdyn | kchz: that depends on how you installed the nvidia drivers |
| 17:21.58 | Jack_Bauer | When Chuck Norris chops down a tree, he uses the wooden end of the axe. |
| 17:21.59 | archopllux | kchz: you reconfigure it to use the "nvidia" driver... no need to reinstall |
| 17:22.04 | VPR5703 | as far as I know, the only 64 bit CPus AMD makes are the Althon 64 series and Opteron Severs |
| 17:22.07 | asuffield | sempron is a vague description referencing AMD's 'cheap' line of chips. it's not any particular model and can refer to all kinds of things |
| 17:22.12 | SerajewelKS | stew: now, they malloc |
| 17:22.14 | VPR5703 | Right. |
| 17:22.15 | SerajewelKS | stew: no* |
| 17:22.20 | asuffield | likewise 'athlon' means 'desktop' and 'opteron' means 'server' |
| 17:22.23 | SerajewelKS | stew: er... |
| 17:22.24 | _gass_ | archopllux: sorry ... i installed the calendar extension for thunderbird ... and i am not able to make it work: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ |
| 17:22.27 | asuffield | if it's amd64 then it'll have 64 somewhere in its name |
| 17:22.37 | VPR5703 | Right |
| 17:22.39 | stew | SerajewelKS: i just opened a 5 gig file in vim on a machine with 1g of ram and 1 gig of swap |
| 17:22.39 | asuffield | you can mostly ignore the sempron/athlon/opteron part |
| 17:22.43 | atrus | asuffield: so where do i get its name? :) |
| 17:22.45 | VPR5703 | OK |
| 17:22.50 | SerajewelKS | stew: was that recently changed? vim is happy now. last time i tried this it dragged the whole system down while it allocated 100mb of swap |
| 17:22.50 | VPR5703 | there is a line of 64 bit Semprons |
| 17:22.59 | asuffield | atrus: /proc/cpuinfo as 'model name' |
| 17:23.00 | archopllux | _gass_: sorry, i haven't used that myself |
| 17:23.14 | stew | SerajewelKS: i don't think this was recently changed |
| 17:23.15 | asuffield | atrus: it's also embossed into the surface of the chip |
| 17:23.15 | VPR5703 | Wait.. |
| 17:23.17 | VPR5703 | No there isnt |
| 17:23.28 | SerajewelKS | stew: hrm... go figure |
| 17:23.33 | odla | tarzeau: hello? |
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| 17:23.40 | VPR5703 | The Sempron-64 name refers to the fact that the Sempron is based on the Athlno64 |
| 17:23.58 | kchz | i've installed from vanilla package (nvidia site) |
| 17:23.59 | VPR5703 | Another marketing term |
| 17:24.07 | _gass_ | archopllux: thanks anyway |
| 17:24.10 | kspath | SerajewelKS: I know the feeling commands I avoided due to something a year or two later are the kings and I am using the old commands and people laugh |
| 17:24.16 | valdyn | kchz: you have to reinstall that then |
| 17:24.34 | SerajewelKS | kspath: yeah. i still avoid using dd of=/dev/hda though |
| 17:24.37 | goccias | i've updated vim this month arount the 18 |
| 17:24.41 | kchz | valdyn: thanks, ill try :) |
| 17:24.42 | goccias | around* |
| 17:24.45 | valdyn | kchz: at least after each upgrade of xlibmesa-gl ( or whatever its called now ) |
| 17:25.30 | atrus | asuffield: that would require me to pry this heatsink they pre-installed for me off. sigh |
| 17:25.37 | VPR5703 | unfortunate |
| 17:25.41 | atrus | have have a UPC code... :) |
| 17:25.48 | atrus | er, i have. :) |
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| 17:26.27 | VPR5703 | Im still not finding any information about 64 bit Semprons. Only the fact that they have the capability for it, but it is disabled on 754/939 models |
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| 17:27.09 | seven_six_two | this is a strange question, I know, but what is the easiest way to find out what kind of memory I have? I want to upgrade, and my mb takes ddr and...um...another kind, and I can't remember what I bought. it was 3 years ago. my mb is a MSI kt4v and all I remember is that I can't mix the two kinds. my bios has references to both types, so I'm not sure how to tell |
| 17:27.11 | asuffield | atrus: then you'll have to boot the thing to find out |
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| 17:27.28 | Harley^ | Howdy :) |
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| 17:27.34 | kspath | try for a 940pin opteron? or is 939pin the future again? |
| 17:27.51 | asuffield | opterons are 940, athlons are 939. currently. |
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| 17:27.54 | VPR5703 | seven_six_two, the easiest way is to look at the RAM itself |
| 17:27.57 | regelatwork | hello debianers |
| 17:27.59 | asuffield | the sockets for the next round haven't been announced yet |
| 17:28.00 | Set | seven_six_two, just open the box and look. it's probably SD ram and DDR, if it's the short kind of memory you have installed, it's DDR |
| 17:28.02 | psycl0wn | hey all. |
| 17:28.08 | thingfish | seven_six_two: go to MSI's website, find your board, read the specs and it should tell you. |
| 17:28.19 | atrus | i can't believe how hard this is to find out from the packaging |
| 17:28.32 | asuffield | atrus: use a less shitty vendor next time |
| 17:28.33 | seven_six_two | thingfish: i didn't buy the mem from msi |
| 17:28.37 | VPR5703 | oh, my bad. I thought he was talking about brand manes. |
| 17:29.03 | VPR5703 | *names |
| 17:29.10 | thingfish | seven_six_two: but it's the motherboard's specs that will tell you what kinds of memory are compatible with your board. Isn't that what you were asking? |
| 17:29.12 | atrus | okay, so once i have it booted in 32bit mode, how can i confirm that the CPU is capable of 64bit? |
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| 17:29.32 | VPR5703 | you realy cant without installing a 64 bit OS |
| 17:29.39 | seven_six_two | no, I know it's ddr and sd i'm guessing. i have one of the two. i can't remember what i bought |
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| 17:29.49 | VPR5703 | its SD. |
| 17:29.56 | syl-2 | i installed xfree server and gnome. why isn't the startx command available? |
| 17:30.02 | seven_six_two | VPR5703: how do you know for sure? |
| 17:30.03 | Set | seven_six_two, look inside the case. if it's the smaller memory (shorter), then it's DDR |
| 17:30.11 | VPR5703 | Whats your CPU, AMD or Intel? |
| 17:30.20 | seven_six_two | AMD |
| 17:30.25 | VPR5703 | its SD |
| 17:30.32 | seven_six_two | Set: short is a relative term |
| 17:30.36 | Harley^ | AMD is popular |
| 17:30.37 | psycl0wn | I'm having a hell of a time trying to get sasl installed so I can do smtp auth. when I try to install sasl2-bin, I get broken dependencies for libgssapi1-heimdal and libkrb5-17-heimdal. |
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| 17:30.41 | VPR5703 | Intel is the only company to my knowledge that used RD-RAM |
| 17:30.45 | odla | tarzeau: b-n-b? |
| 17:30.47 | VPR5703 | Everyone else used SD or DDR/2 |
| 17:31.08 | seven_six_two | VPR5703: i didn't buy this prebuilt though |
| 17:31.12 | psycl0wn | I can install libkrb5-17-heimdal, but then wehn I try to install sasl2-bin I get broken dep on libroken16-kerberos4kth and libgssapi1-heimdal |
| 17:31.14 | VPR5703 | yeah |
| 17:31.20 | newtolinux | seven_six_two, you'll probably have two sets of RAM slots. if there is something in the short ones, it's DDR, if not, it's SR |
| 17:31.26 | VPR5703 | Right |
| 17:31.40 | seven_six_two | oh i see what you mean by short now. thanks newtolinux |
| 17:31.43 | VPR5703 | you have SD and DDR. |
| 17:31.46 | programm | Hello! I want mount my server on /mnt so i have create /mnt/test and add a line in the fstab but when i make mount -a i have this answer : permission not accorded. |
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| 17:32.15 | abrotman | VPR5703: iirc .. sony did also |
| 17:32.29 | abrotman | of course .. that wasn't for a PC :) |
| 17:32.29 | programm | permission denied |
| 17:32.33 | VPR5703 | lol |
| 17:32.35 | Set | *SD, of course |
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| 17:32.36 | VPR5703 | Right, PS2 |
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| 17:33.04 | stew | programm: you are running "mount -a" as root? |
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| 17:33.13 | programm | yeah stew |
| 17:33.17 | VPR5703 | Atrus you still around? |
| 17:33.23 | stew | programm: can you show us the line from fstab for /mnt/test? |
| 17:33.38 | programm | 192.168.1.101:/data_programm/mnt/testnfsauto00 |
| 17:33.56 | Set | D-Link router? |
| 17:34.01 | scorn | Using debian testing and a few days ago a did a apt-get upgrade. For some reason just now, it appears that all applications running within KDE have no network access. when I start konqueror from a prompt and get: DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket |
| 17:34.11 | Set | DHCP scope 192.168.0.100 - 192.168.0.199 ? |
| 17:34.11 | abrotman | #debian-kde ? |
| 17:34.24 | scorn | abrotman: thx, sorry |
| 17:34.33 | stew | programm: oh, nfs. that sounds like a server side problem, what is the line from exports? |
| 17:34.33 | VPR5703 | I found a Win32 program that will identify if your Sempron is 64 or not, there are some I guess. |
| 17:35.10 | goccias | everest ? |
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| 17:35.16 | syl-2 | whats the command to start gnome? |
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| 17:35.25 | syl-2 | i just had it installed |
| 17:35.26 | stew | VPR5703: "cat /proc/cpuinfo" should be definitive |
| 17:35.31 | programm | stew, i want mount an NAS on the /mnt. NAS = Network Attached Storage, so i can't see the /etc and / |
| 17:35.37 | VPR5703 | hes not running Linux yet, though |
| 17:35.44 | jchurchill | syl-2: gnome-session |
| 17:35.58 | odla | anyone familiar with the keys file in icewm? |
| 17:36.05 | syl-2 | thx |
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| 17:36.22 | stew | programm: what is the exact error you get from "mount /mnt/test" |
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| 17:37.03 | programm | i get not error when u type mount /mnt/test but when i make : $ cd test |
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| 17:37.11 | programm | i give : Permission denied |
| 17:37.18 | programm | because i'm not root |
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| 17:37.50 | programm | but, i want to be not root to goes in test, do you understand? |
| 17:38.22 | mrfranz | hello |
| 17:38.29 | stew | programm: what are the permissions on test? |
| 17:38.38 | mixles | vlc depends on libmodplug0, but i have libmodplug0c2 installed.. any way to resolve? |
| 17:38.51 | programm | stew, root. |
| 17:38.55 | mrfranz | ihave a question on ext2fs with journaling |
| 17:38.58 | paulswm | programm: man chmod, you need to change permissions on /mnt/test after it's mounted, jsut the one time |
| 17:39.00 | kchz | when booting kernel complaints about pnp issues. which is the correct arg.. nobiospnp or pnpbios=off ? |
| 17:39.14 | programm | paulswm, !! i have make chown programm test |
| 17:39.15 | stew | programm: i didn't ask for the owner, i asked for the permissions |
| 17:39.17 | seven_six_two | mrfranz: that's ext3fs |
| 17:39.23 | programm | and chmod 777 test |
| 17:39.30 | mrfranz | yes |
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| 17:39.39 | programm | stew so, i don't know for the permissions, sorr. |
| 17:39.43 | programm | sorry* |
| 17:40.15 | paulswm | programm: ls -ld /mnt/test |
| 17:40.24 | mrfranz | ok this is the problem |
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| 17:40.45 | mrfranz | i've red so much on newsgroups but nobody replay to this |
| 17:40.55 | mixles | hi maxb (fellow f2s.net'er) |
| 17:41.56 | mrfranz | when booting you receive the message "maximal mount count reached running e2fsck is recommended" |
| 17:42.18 | asuffield | and what is the problem? |
| 17:42.21 | paulswm | programm: Don't forget, you need to change the owner or permissions AFTER you mount it |
| 17:42.38 | programm | paulswm, ahhhh... |
| 17:42.44 | programm | ok ! Thank you ;) |
| 17:42.45 | mrfranz | i don't understand why the check of the filesyste does not start automaticly |
| 17:42.51 | paulswm | programm: You're welcome :) |
| 17:42.56 | programm | thx :) |
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| 17:43.13 | mixles | hmm, so.. can i somehow force libmodplug0c2 and libmodplug0 to coexist? libmodplug0c2 is needed by gnome and libmodplug0 by vlc |
| 17:43.15 | asuffield | mrfranz: probably because the pass column in /etc/fstab is 0 |
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| 17:43.27 | mrfranz | i chede it |
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| 17:43.59 | maxb | Hello. What causes apt to store package files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ with a literal colon on one of my machines, but with an url-escaped %3a on another? |
| 17:44.26 | paulswm | mrfranz: It's not a problem anyway, it's just an info message. You can also use tune2fs to change the time between checks or turn it off |
| 17:44.54 | mrfranz | i checekd it but it is set to 1 |
| 17:45.06 | VPR5703 | Ok one mroe question.. |
| 17:45.21 | maxb | Umm, ignore me. It seems it is using %3a everywhere and vmware did something truly bizarre - tried to *un*escape the url-encoding when going through hgfs |
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| 17:45.43 | VPR5703 | I have a Silicon Image PCI/ATA133 Controller. Model 0680 |
| 17:45.57 | VPR5703 | anyone know if the kernel supports this deivce or not? |
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| 17:46.33 | Lafy | does anyone know what file courier-pop uses for pam? |
| 17:46.40 | paulswm | VPR5703: Are you using a debian kernel image? It should work fine |
| 17:46.52 | maxb | Is there a good way to get apt to tell you the name of a deb within /var/cache/apt/, based on a package name? |
| 17:46.53 | VPR5703 | yeah Im downloading Sarge right now./ |
| 17:47.19 | VPR5703 | Im runnig WinXP right now. |
| 17:47.38 | stew | Lafy: not sure what you mean, but maybe: /etc/courier/authdaemonrc |
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| 17:47.52 | VPR5703 | But I want to try Debian and probably switch over and use Debain for main uses, XP for games mainly |
| 17:47.56 | Eulex | VPR5703, will the computer that you install sarge on have a fast internet connection? |
| 17:48.03 | VPR5703 | Cable, 6mB |
| 17:48.10 | Lafy | stew: i mean in /etc/pam.d... i tried the pop3 file, but it doesn't seem to be having an effect |
| 17:48.12 | paulswm | maxb: 'apt-cache show packagename' and then see "Filename:' |
| 17:48.18 | VPR5703 | Avergaing about 400-500KB/s right now |
| 17:48.35 | programm | paulswm, Don't forget, you need to change the owner or permissions AFTER you mount it << i have make that... but i get : Permission denied |
| 17:48.39 | Eulex | VPR5703, then you just need the netinstall. |
| 17:48.50 | VPR5703 | Im getting the DVD. |
| 17:48.55 | VPR5703 | so I can boot off of it. |
| 17:48.56 | paulswm | programm: ls -ld /mnt/test and paste the line |
| 17:49.01 | programm | ok |
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| 17:49.19 | maxb | paulswm: Thanks, any way to get apt to only show the version of the package which is currently installed? I have stable and testing in sources.list, so that gives me 2 filenames |
| 17:49.20 | stew | Lafy: i would think its pop3, what are you trying to do? |
| 17:49.31 | tuxipuxi | hi there. i have dist-upgraded today which caused a problem with subversion. the berkeley db is now mismatching. i have to downgrade subversion to recover it. i tried to install subversion using apt-get install libapache2-svn=1.2.1dfsg1-1 but that(and the other versions i tried) are not found. can i see a list of available versions somehow? |
| 17:49.37 | VPR5703 | I have a few spare DVD+Rs so Im gonig to use them. LOL |
| 17:49.38 | Eulex | VPR5703, you can boot off the netinstall. |
| 17:49.43 | VPR5703 | Hmm |
| 17:49.49 | programm | paulswm, ls: /mnt/test: Permission denied ; So i make ls -ld on root? |
| 17:49.51 | kyncani | VPR5703: i think the best way to know if your hardware is supported is download and boot knoppix |
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| 17:50.00 | paulswm | maxb: dpkg -l|grep packagename will show you the one you have installed |
| 17:50.04 | VPR5703 | knoppix hates some of my hardware with a passion |
| 17:50.08 | Lafy | stew: i have a problem with my authentication mechanism so as a stop cap i've blocked access to the email server from off the lan, and i'm trying to toss a pam_permit line at the start of the file |
| 17:50.11 | paulswm | programm: Yes |
| 17:50.11 | maxb | tuxipuxi: I thought there were instructions in the new package explaining how to upgrade (without downgrading)? |
| 17:50.27 | stew | Lafy: what is the problem with the authentication? |
| 17:50.28 | VPR5703 | That why I questioned my Belkin 802.11g adapter |
| 17:50.30 | tuxipuxi | maxb: really? where are these instructions? |
| 17:50.34 | VPR5703 | Never detected it. |
| 17:50.46 | Lafy | stew: it's a problem with a windows machine |
| 17:50.51 | Eulex | VPR5703, chipset? |
| 17:50.55 | programm | paulswm, drwxrwxrwx 2 programm users 4096 2005-12-29 12:16 /mnt/test |
| 17:50.59 | VPR5703 | nVidia nForce 2 MCP |
| 17:51.06 | stew | Lafy: i probably can't help with pam, but if you have a problem with courier i could help |
| 17:51.09 | VPR5703 | But it detected other things. |
| 17:51.17 | Eulex | VPR5703, I mean in the wireless card |
| 17:51.21 | VPR5703 | oh |
| 17:51.25 | VPR5703 | Broadcom 43xx |
| 17:51.29 | soymilk | how would you recommend i alter the version number of a custom .deb so that it would only upgrade on the next major release? e.g. .deb version is 3.2-7 and upstream version is 3.2 - only want to upgrade if upstream goes to 3.3 ? |
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| 17:51.33 | paulswm | programm: then 'cd /mnt/test' should work fine |
| 17:51.43 | veriz | anyone can tell me what wrong : MySQL manager or server PID file could not be found! |
| 17:51.49 | VPR5703 | Im not sure exactly, as I cant rip it out right now, because Im using it. :P |
| 17:51.53 | programm | paulswm, yes because i'm root |
| 17:51.55 | soymilk | 3.2-99 ? |
| 17:51.55 | Lafy | stew: courier was working fine until the windows box went wonky. i'm just trying to let the users at their email from the lan until i get the auth fixed |
| 17:52.10 | programm | but, if i want go when i'm not root, it is possible? |
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| 17:52.17 | paulswm | programm: should work fine whatever you are |
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| 17:52.43 | Eulex | VPR5703, you'll need to use ndiswrapper for that card. would it be possible to get a wired connection to the computer temporarily? |
| 17:53.02 | VPR5703 | ive got ndiswrapper d/l ed to my hard drive right now |
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| 17:53.20 | VPR5703 | and I have the windows Installation CD for the 802.11 card |
| 17:53.23 | stew | Lafy: have you tried putting DEBUG_LOGIN=1 into /etc/courier/pop3d, then seeing if you get anything useful when the wonky windows box tries to login? |
| 17:53.47 | Eulex | VPR5703, ok. you'll have to transfer it and the driver to the linux partition after the install. |
| 17:53.51 | VPR5703 | Debain can read NTFS right? |
| 17:53.58 | mo1991 | can anyone tell me why firefox prints only half of a page? For webpages wider than the page it cuts off the right side of the webpage. All other printing functionality works fine? |
| 17:54.00 | VPR5703 | *Debian |
| 17:54.13 | Lafy | stew: the mail box is checking passwords against the windows box, and that entire mechanism has died. i've already determined that it's a problem with the windows box |
| 17:54.23 | VPR5703 | mo1991 try switching the print style to landscape |
| 17:54.28 | tuxipuxi | maxb: please? :) |
| 17:54.45 | mixles | Synaptic is not letting me install vlc because it requires libmodplug0. I cannot install libmodplug0 because it requires me to remove libmodplug0c2 and gnome. I am using the testing release but this problem has not gone away for many weeks. What should I try? |
| 17:55.05 | mo1991 | VPR5703 - I know, but in the preview it looks fine without landscape - shouldn't it print this way??? |
| 17:55.19 | mo1991 | with - shrink to fit page option? |
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| 17:55.25 | mo1991 | is this a bug in firefox? |
| 17:55.35 | Roey | hi, I get this when I try to update from the apt-proxy server: http://rafb.net/paste/results/kB3P7J15.html |
| 17:55.41 | Roey | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 17:56.28 | VPR5703 | ive heard of firefox having issues with priniting before |
| 17:56.47 | VPR5703 | I know mine does |
| 17:56.51 | mo1991 | VPR5703 - it does this on several machines with several printers |
| 17:56.56 | VPR5703 | yeah |
| 17:56.59 | mo1991 | everything else works fine |
| 17:56.59 | VPR5703 | its a Firefox issue |
| 17:57.01 | Eulex | VPR5703, sure, it can read, but it can't write |
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| 17:57.17 | VPR5703 | OK thats all I need then. Thanks Eulex |
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| 17:57.26 | VPR5703 | What can it write? |
| 17:57.46 | VPR5703 | obviously its own formats, but FAT32o16/12? |
| 17:57.58 | VPR5703 | *fat32/16/12? |
| 17:57.59 | Eulex | VPR5703, it can write those, yes |
| 17:58.04 | VPR5703 | Ok thanks |
| 17:58.26 | VPR5703 | mo1991 firefox has had problems printing for some time now. |
| 17:58.34 | Eclipser | VPR5703, windows can read ext3 :) |
| 17:58.42 | Kurtism | so has anybody here ever setup an HP Jetdirect with Debian? |
| 17:58.52 | VPR5703 | No kididng? |
| 17:58.58 | Kurtism | I want to print to my JetDirect Print Server from cups |
| 17:58.59 | Eclipser | !ext2ifs |
| 17:59.00 | dpkg | from memory, ext2ifs is a Windows NT driver for reading ext2/3 filesystems. http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm |
| 17:59.09 | VPR5703 | Ah OK |
| 17:59.12 | VPR5703 | Thats cool |
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| 17:59.36 | hueh | Kurtism: yep - but I used the GNOME printer helper thingy |
| 17:59.44 | VPR5703 | Ill have to get that just in case I need some stuff off of my EXT2/3 partition |
| 17:59.44 | Kurtism | I don't have a gui |
| 17:59.45 | Eulex | it's a read only driver, though |
| 17:59.47 | Kurtism | just consol |
| 17:59.50 | VPR5703 | thats OK |
| 17:59.57 | VPR5703 | Thats all I need is read capability. |
| 17:59.59 | Kurtism | hueh: its driving me up the wall man |
| 18:00.12 | Eulex | there is actually a windows ext3 driver somewhere with write support |
| 18:00.23 | hueh | Kurtism: Yeah - I tried w/o the helper and pulled all my hair out - the gnome cups helper did it in seconds!! |
| 18:00.25 | Eulex | though I heard that it doesn't work well with suspend |
| 18:00.31 | VPR5703 | mo1991 what id do is save the HTML file to your computer, and then open it up with an HTML editor or reader, not firefox, and print it that way |
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| 18:00.44 | VPR5703 | I dont use suspend anyhow. LOL |
| 18:00.51 | Eclipser | Eulex, well yeah but I wouldn't count on its stability |
| 18:00.53 | soymilk | which version would superceed the other: 3.2-7 3.2-custom ? |
| 18:00.55 | mo1991 | stew - are you aware of any fixes that actually let you print properly from firefox? |
| 18:01.15 | VPR5703 | generally, Windows isnt that stable anyhow..LOL |
| 18:01.24 | VPR5703 | lol |
| 18:01.29 | Eclipser | VPR5703, bah |
| 18:01.36 | stew | printers are so 20th century |
| 18:01.36 | VPR5703 | they are working on the printer issues still |
| 18:01.40 | Kurtism | making a linux print server is bloody hard |
| 18:01.44 | Eclipser | people who say windows sucks or isn't stable don't just know a thing about windows |
| 18:01.45 | VPR5703 | lolo @ Stew. |
| 18:01.48 | Eulex | Eclipser, neither would I. a friend of mine tried using it, but he got problems when he tried suspending his windows and then booting linux |
| 18:01.50 | VPR5703 | I do |
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| 18:01.53 | VPR5703 | I mean, its stable |
| 18:01.58 | VPR5703 | But they could do better. |
| 18:02.13 | mixles | ping |
| 18:02.14 | Eclipser | 99% of the problems are in 3rd party products |
| 18:02.19 | VPR5703 | This is true |
| 18:02.31 | VPR5703 | OK, i resend what I said. LOL |
| 18:02.37 | Eclipser | my crashes dropped dramatically when I changed to nvidia... |
| 18:02.45 | goron | I installed kde 3.4.3 from unstable, but I don't see a "Shutdown the compuer"-option when I press "logout". How do I get that? |
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| 18:03.00 | Eulex | My system is dualboot. when I booted winxp the first time in half a year, it took 5 minutes for me to crash explorer.exe. |
| 18:03.08 | VPR5703 | lol |
| 18:03.11 | VPR5703 | I can do that, too |
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| 18:03.14 | VPR5703 | not too ard. |
| 18:03.16 | VPR5703 | *hard |
| 18:03.21 | Eclipser | I can do it in half a minute in win9x |
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| 18:03.42 | VPR5703 | 9x you can crash by writing C++ programs that access memory areas that dont exist. LOL |
| 18:04.07 | Eulex | guess I wasn't used to windows anymore :) when you were using windows daily, you knew what would crash stuff and avoided it |
| 18:04.12 | VPR5703 | yea |
| 18:04.22 | hueh | Kurtism: Got to go - but I've pasted some files 4 u: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1416 - hope it helps... |
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| 18:04.29 | VPR5703 | Im going to be messing up Linux for the first few weks I use it no doubt. |
| 18:05.10 | Eulex | VPR5703, quite hard to do that actually |
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| 18:05.20 | VPR5703 | For me, its possible. :P |
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| 18:06.19 | Eclipser | Eulex, nah it's not |
| 18:06.21 | odla | Eulex: you think it's hard to screw up linux? |
| 18:06.30 | VPR5703 | I have a tendancy of finding ways to mess things up badly. |
| 18:06.33 | Roey | YEHORAM GAON. |
| 18:06.35 | Roey | *cough* |
| 18:06.53 | Eclipser | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda1 |
| 18:06.57 | Eulex | Eclipser & odla, quite hard to do it non-accidently, I mean |
| 18:07.26 | VPR5703 | you basically, accientaly, its easy, but you couldnt purposely mess up Linux? |
| 18:07.53 | VPR5703 | you = sp |
| 18:07.56 | Eulex | of course it's easy to mess things up if you want to |
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| 18:08.03 | VPR5703 | oh k. Got it |
| 18:08.10 | pjlucas | Any suggestions on how to debug frame errors? |
| 18:08.40 | Eclipser | back when I started with linux... I used debian sid back when potato was stable |
| 18:08.54 | VPR5703 | Dunno much about Linux distributions.... |
| 18:09.02 | Eclipser | the crash was simply beatiful, eventually I lost all data when tried to recover it |
| 18:09.12 | VPR5703 | I know Red Hat, Debian, Ubuntu, and Knoppix |
| 18:09.22 | VPR5703 | Those are the major ones I know of. LOL |
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| 18:10.16 | Lafy | stew: do you know how to convince courier to accept any password? |
| 18:10.46 | goron | !lol |
| 18:10.46 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 18:11.08 | VPR5703 | oh |
| 18:11.10 | VPR5703 | sorry. |
| 18:11.19 | VPR5703 | Wait |
| 18:11.29 | VPR5703 | I am an AOL user.....haha |
| 18:11.29 | Eclipser | bwahahaha... sounds like someone has been watching too much bleach |
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| 18:11.35 | VPR5703 | yeah it does |
| 18:11.39 | VPR5703 | how about -laughs- ? |
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| 18:11.56 | Eulex | how about ROTFLMAO? |
| 18:12.02 | VPR5703 | ha |
| 18:12.12 | repp | <G> |
| 18:12.14 | VPR5703 | That just takes too lnog to type |
| 18:12.17 | VPR5703 | *lnog |
| 18:12.19 | VPR5703 | ... |
| 18:12.44 | Eulex | !test |
| 18:12.44 | Kurtism | is there a debian printer config tool? |
| 18:12.54 | Eulex | dpkg seems to be b0rked |
| 18:13.03 | repp | !moo |
| 18:13.08 | Kurtism | hmmmm |
| 18:13.15 | VPR5703 | yeap |
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| 18:13.24 | live | hi |
| 18:13.24 | repp | hmm indeed |
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| 18:13.49 | Kurtism | what is it called? |
| 18:13.54 | Kurtism | I'd like to install it |
| 18:13.57 | live | what's the command to reconfigure a network interface and save the changes, something like dpkg --reconfigure network ? |
| 18:14.16 | stew | live: editor /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:14.21 | BullWeivel | anyone know of a good way to check several files for one word? I have a database with about 300 words and I need to check about 15 files and see if any of those words are in any of the 15 files. |
| 18:14.27 | repp | Kurtism: cupsys |
| 18:14.39 | repp | BullWeivel: grep |
| 18:14.41 | Eulex | BullWeivel, grep |
| 18:14.51 | live | stew, I thought there was a command to set them up that gave you a curses-stly interface? |
| 18:15.06 | BullWeivel | yeah but can grep work with more then one file?? i mean i have a list of words and need to check several files. |
| 18:15.11 | BullWeivel | oops |
| 18:15.20 | BullWeivel | i meant to say more then one word. |
| 18:15.26 | repp | BullWeivel: yes, grep -f <file with words> <... list of files to check> |
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| 18:15.41 | mpoer | anyone seeking a web host should avaoid powweb.com at all costs! |
| 18:15.46 | repp | where the -f file is a list of words, one per line |
| 18:15.48 | stew | live: not by default, you can install the etherconf package, i've never used it however |
| 18:16.02 | BullWeivel | repp: alright cool! i thought i was going to have to pull out some perl skills or something. thanks...i will go rtfm and check it out |
| 18:16.05 | m0dY | mpoer: wnat host ,, i have good boxes :) |
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| 18:16.25 | Eulex | mpoer, what reasons? |
| 18:16.38 | mpoer | well, i have all i need at my home if i just had a decent ISP that would stop blocking ports (80, emails, etc) |
| 18:16.45 | mpoer | i have no idea.. |
| 18:16.48 | mpoer | http://ichyware.net |
| 18:16.50 | VPR5703 | haha. |
| 18:16.53 | m0dY | use vpns |
| 18:17.03 | mpoer | it's all down :/ |
| 18:17.03 | VPR5703 | Couldnt resolve the website |
| 18:17.04 | typewriter | Hey, i liked to enable Ident but my username is my real name, and i would like the privacy on the internet, is there anyway to make identd respond with a different name besides my username for irc? |
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| 18:17.20 | repp | typewriter: oident |
| 18:17.33 | VPR5703 | Now I know what dial up feels like.... |
| 18:17.36 | typewriter | whats the one installed by default? |
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| 18:19.46 | rootnoverify | dpkg doesn't respond? :s |
| 18:21.11 | xai | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/fakeroot_1.5.6_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 18:21.11 | xai | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:21.29 | LeeC3 | why do i keep getting "TFTP Failed." When booting in pxelinux ? |
| 18:21.31 | xai | that is on testing. |
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| 18:22.11 | LeeC3 | everytime i try to network boot, i get the PXELinux startrom.0 image downloading and running. Then i hit "xpe", and then it says TFTP Failed. |
| 18:22.15 | rootnoverify | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:22.49 | mith | hmm, any idea why a machine running a netinstall would hang at 'downloading release file'? The console says it's doing wget http://mirror/dists/sarge/Release | grep ^Suite: | cut -d' ' -f 2 |
| 18:22.55 | jlj__ | is there any way to read a ufs formated floppy disk in linux? |
| 18:23.12 | mith | the box definately has network connectivity ... or are ftp.us.debian.org and mirrors.kernel.org having issues possibly? |
| 18:23.18 | rootnoverify | is it just me or isn't dpkg responding? :s |
| 18:23.33 | xai | valdyn: i get some strange dpkg errors when i try to install fakeroot or java-package. any ideas? |
| 18:23.57 | VPR5703 | dpkg isnt respondimng. |
| 18:24.02 | VPR5703 | 8responding |
| 18:24.12 | mith | nm does look like the damned mirrors i was using aren't responding |
| 18:24.12 | mith | bleh |
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| 18:24.30 | Pixel83 | mith, an hour ago or so I had problems with update from ftp.de.debian.org, ping gave me duplicate packets... can you try pinging it? |
| 18:24.31 | benjamindees | jlj_, mount -tufs |
| 18:24.37 | ineiros | After some upgrade, I started getting: "mzscheme: relocation error: mzscheme: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference" when trying to start mzscheme. But /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /usr/bin/mzscheme works. Any ideas what is the problem and how to fix it? |
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| 18:24.58 | LeeC3 | is there anyway i can log what the network client is trying to download on my TFTP server ? |
| 18:25.37 | VPR5703 | its woreking fine over here Pixel83 |
| 18:26.03 | mith | this is weird though, because I get a response when I run the shit manually |
| 18:26.09 | jlj__ | benjamindees: I tried that but it said "unknown filesystem" :( |
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| 18:26.23 | mith | $ wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/sarge/Release -O - 2>&1 | grep ^Suite: | cut -d' ' -f 2 |
| 18:26.23 | mith | stable |
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| 18:28.46 | mith | you know, i should probably just upgrade the installer files on my tftp server to the version actually on my local mirror and that'd probably solve my entire problem :P |
| 18:30.10 | xai | I can't seem to upgrade or remove 'fakeroot' package.. |
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| 18:31.17 | xai | dpkg -r tells me its in a bad state and I should upgrade first.. use force? |
| 18:31.31 | stew | xai: what happens when you "apt-get install fakeroot"? |
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| 18:32.02 | dogmeat | what tools can i use on my debian sarge LAMP server can i use to detect and negate DDoS attacks? |
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| 18:32.57 | linuxfreck | dogmeat: on the server level, you cannot do anything against ddos attacks |
| 18:33.00 | stew | dogmeat: you cannot negate a ddos attack from the server being attacked, you have to prevent the packets from getting to the machine being attacked |
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| 18:33.32 | xai | stew: http://pastebin.com/484399 |
| 18:33.58 | dogmeat | linuxfreck, stew: why do you say that? |
| 18:34.06 | phantomcircuit-a | http://phantomcircuit.mine.nu/ i got splooged on :( |
| 18:34.11 | xai | stew: also " apt-get -f install " fails as well. |
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| 18:35.10 | stew | ugh, is pdo down? |
| 18:35.38 | Eulex | stew, Not Here(tm) |
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| 18:36.01 | atrus | VPR5703: yo |
| 18:36.22 | VPR5703 | Hey |
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| 18:36.33 | VPR5703 | Are you running Win32? |
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| 18:36.41 | atrus | VPR5703: on one partition, yes |
| 18:36.45 | Eulex | phantomcircuit-a, someone hacked you? |
| 18:36.45 | linuxfreck | dogmeat: when the packets arrive at your server, the network is already clogged. even if you drop all packets, they still get routed to you making communication impossible |
| 18:36.51 | VPR5703 | ok |
| 18:37.13 | VPR5703 | Look up a program called cpuZ |
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| 18:37.27 | VPR5703 | That will tell you wether your Sempron is 64 bit or not |
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| 18:37.40 | VPR5703 | Look in the instructions area for something relating to 64 |
| 18:37.49 | kspath | are there any channels maybe even debian channels that focus more on SMP, threading, concurrency, parallal, N-way, clusters, what have you? |
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| 18:38.04 | stew | xai: does that /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci directory exist? |
| 18:38.09 | xai | stew: i got it to work with some force options, and removing standed files.. apt-get -f install works now. |
| 18:38.14 | Znh | Hello, can someone help me setting up the soundcard? |
| 18:38.17 | xai | thanks. |
| 18:38.22 | Znh | I have a Yahama OPL-3 in this laptop |
| 18:38.34 | asuffield | wow. retro |
| 18:38.46 | Znh | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp works fine, but I dont hear any sound while the channels are 100% |
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| 18:39.00 | asuffield | I haven't seen an OPL-3 in *years* |
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| 18:39.25 | EdLin | asuffield: I think I had one of those in my 486DX2-66 |
| 18:39.26 | Znh | its a quite old laptop yes |
| 18:39.40 | stew | tp 600's had those iirc |
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| 18:39.57 | Eulex | asuffield, most computers do actually have one, if their sound card is sb compatible |
| 18:40.36 | asuffield | which is actually quite rare these days |
| 18:40.51 | asuffield | most new chips are PCI only, they don't present emulation on the ISA bus |
| 18:40.52 | dogmeat | linuxfreck: ok i see what you mean, thanks. however it seems to me that i would be able to detect which ip addrs belong to the ddos based on tcpdump ip requests minus legitimate http requests from apache logs, meaning that the other balance of ips requests constitute unlawful requests which i can safely block using iptables. would this improve network congestion and negate DDoS? |
| 18:40.58 | Eulex | hmm, ok |
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| 18:41.20 | linuxfreck | dogmeat: ip addresses can be faked |
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| 18:42.03 | stew | dogmeat: unless you can somehow stop the packets from actually arriving, you cannot improve the network congestion, there is nothing you can do after receiving the packet that could stop if from having already arrived |
| 18:42.16 | stouset | dogmeat: If they're UDP packets, or if they're sending you TCP packets without actually caring about the reply, they can fake the source IP. |
| 18:42.27 | asuffield | dogmeat: blocking them on your server is worthless. they must be blocked by an ISP a long way away from you |
| 18:42.43 | asuffield | dogmeat: the chances of you actually persuading an ISP to help you with this are fairly low unless you have lots of money to sling around |
| 18:43.00 | stouset | stew: You wouldn't believe how hard it is to get that across to some people. I used to work at a place that got DDOS'd on a reasonably frequent basis (once every two months or so), and we kept looking for firewall solutions that would filter out the "bad" packets. |
| 18:43.03 | dogmeat | so is there anything i can do? |
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| 18:43.17 | asuffield | dogmeat: not unless you've got a lot of money, no |
| 18:43.38 | simone^ | i have a problem with xorg: when gdm tries to start i get black screen and "no signal" error from the monitor...using debian 3.1 and nvidia drivers |
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| 18:44.08 | stouset | stew: They simply couldn't understand that it's a matter of how thick the pipe before you is. It's like trying to pipe a sewer system through your faucet, and putting a filter in front. Put as good a filter as you want there, but you're not getting clean water. |
| 18:44.17 | stouset | dogmeat: A few things, probably. |
| 18:44.18 | simone^ | but if i reboot to linux after using windows then everything works fine |
| 18:44.42 | stew | stouset: its like trying to convince people that because my address is in the From: it doesn't mean that i am the one that sent you a virus :) |
| 18:44.47 | stouset | dogmeat: See if you can get more bandwidth for the time being, or call up your provider and see if they can block a list of IPs upstream of you. |
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| 18:45.06 | kspath | dogmeat: multihome |
| 18:45.18 | stouset | stew: That's actually not so hard. I just tell people it's like the normal mail system. I can write anyone's name on the return address. |
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| 18:45.42 | hid3 | Evening everyone. Is it possible ip use iptables 1.3.x on a distro from `stable` branch? by default it downloads iptables-1.2.11.. |
| 18:45.46 | stew | stouset: yeah i tell them that as well. but they always forget the next time around |
| 18:45.58 | stouset | stew: Well, that's true. |
| 18:46.53 | dogmeat | kspath: multihome is a load balancing technique, no? |
| 18:47.06 | kspath | yes and no |
| 18:47.07 | stouset | stew: Of course, this was also the place where we kept hiring an outside "security consultant" who told us he never installed packages, because he always wanted to give the source a quick once-over to make sure there weren't any backdoors in it. |
| 18:47.18 | asuffield | a multihomed box is just one that has multiple IP addresses |
| 18:47.21 | asuffield | nothing more nor less |
| 18:47.29 | VPR5703 | Ok.. |
| 18:47.43 | VPR5703 | Another question. since you guys seem to be so good at answering them |
| 18:47.47 | stouset | stew: It never seemed to dawn on anyone that it took him *months* to get anything done, because he'd spend 99% of his time trying to get software to compile, then try reconfiguring it a few thousand times until it worked. |
| 18:47.51 | mith | oh jesus, now I see what the problem is, my damned mirror is still in the middle of rsync'ing and doesn't have all of 3.1r1 yet, haha, guess i'll just install from ftp.us.debian.org |
| 18:47.56 | kspath | not exactly |
| 18:48.00 | VPR5703 | if I get the surce code to a program, how do I compile it into something I can run? |
| 18:48.12 | asuffield | VPR5703: you're going to need a chicken |
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| 18:48.20 | VPR5703 | chicken? |
| 18:48.25 | mith | VPR5703: you read the documentation for the software in question. |
| 18:48.28 | asuffield | chicken |
| 18:48.30 | stouset | VPR5703: With a compiler. |
| 18:48.31 | VPR5703 | ok |
| 18:48.47 | VPR5703 | Ok...a compiler. Anyrecommendations? |
| 18:48.52 | kspath | get T1 or T3 or better links through 2 or more service providers |
| 18:48.57 | stouset | VPR5703: The long answer is that it really depends on whoever gives you the software. Read the INSTALL file that comes with most tarballs. |
| 18:48.58 | VPR5703 | insert a sapce where applicable. |
| 18:49.03 | VPR5703 | ok |
| 18:49.05 | VPR5703 | thanks |
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| 18:49.24 | rootnoverify | anyone knows the nvidia one-liner by hand? |
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| 18:49.37 | stouset | VPR5703: The short answer is that compiling things is not something that really needs to be done by end users any more. |
| 18:49.39 | stouset | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:49.49 | rootnoverify | dpkg doens't respond |
| 18:49.55 | VPR5703 | Well I cant get a program I want in aything but RPM. |
| 18:49.57 | rootnoverify | doesn't* |
| 18:49.57 | stouset | Bah. |
| 18:50.02 | VPR5703 | can I use RPM with linux? |
| 18:50.07 | stouset | Lemme grep through logs. |
| 18:50.17 | stouset | VPR5703: Not that you would want to. |
| 18:50.22 | VPR5703 | Hmm |
| 18:50.25 | rootnoverify | there's a difference between "linux" and debian |
| 18:50.30 | VPR5703 | Well.. |
| 18:50.30 | stouset | VPR5703: You can use RPM with LInux distributions that support it. |
| 18:50.33 | kspath | dogmeat: you can even multihome on a small scale with multiple dsl and/or cable modem links |
| 18:50.38 | VPR5703 | Ive got a few chosiec with this program |
| 18:50.47 | simone^ | i have a problem with xorg: when gdm tries to start i get black screen and "no signal" error from the monitor...using debian 3.1 and nvidia drivers. |
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| 18:50.52 | Eulex | VPR5703, what program is it? |
| 18:50.56 | asuffield | multiple dsl lines is usually a complete waste of time |
| 18:50.56 | stouset | VPR5703: Debian is, in a roundabout way, one of those distributions. However, I've yet to have *any* reason to install something from an RPM. |
| 18:50.58 | VPR5703 | GAIM |
| 18:51.03 | asuffield | since they all go to the same telephone company |
| 18:51.06 | rootnoverify | apt-get gaim |
| 18:51.07 | stouset | VPR5703: This is what apt is for. |
| 18:51.08 | Eulex | VPR5703, gaim is in debian. apt-get it. |
| 18:51.13 | rootnoverify | apt-get install gaim |
| 18:51.14 | rootnoverify | * |
| 18:51.18 | stouset | rootnoverify: Ahem. s/ / install / |
| 18:51.23 | VPR5703 | it is already in a package? |
| 18:51.29 | Eulex | VPR5703, yes. |
| 18:51.34 | VPR5703 | OK |
| 18:51.39 | VPR5703 | So its there, I just need to isntall it |
| 18:51.39 | stouset | VPR5703: Anything you will ever need is likely already packaged. |
| 18:51.52 | VPR5703 | This is cool. |
| 18:52.06 | minit | very hehe |
| 18:52.15 | VPR5703 | so |
| 18:52.17 | stouset | VPR5703: If you ever find yourself trying to compile from source, or going to a piece of software's website to look for a package, make damn sure it's not already in apt. Because nine hundred and ninety nine times out of, well, nine hundred and ninety nine, it's there. |
| 18:52.29 | VPR5703 | OK thanks |
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| 18:52.43 | VPR5703 | what exaclty is apt? Sorry, VERY new to this whole scene. |
| 18:52.52 | Overand | where's the file that tells x what window manager to load for any given user/ |
| 18:52.55 | darkcmd | !tell VPR5703 about apt |
| 18:53.00 | asuffield | apt is cow drugs |
| 18:53.03 | kspath | dogmeat: I could set up a small netowrk with 4 comcast cable modems and 4 sbc dsl lines but that is just goofing around |
| 18:53.07 | Eulex | darkcmd, dpkg's b0rked |
| 18:53.08 | stouset | rootnoverify: dpkg: hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 18:53.08 | VPR5703 | dkpg is not responding well |
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| 18:53.21 | darkcmd | dpkg is b0rked?!?! |
| 18:53.25 | darkcmd | dang it |
| 18:53.25 | VPR5703 | very |
| 18:53.27 | Overand | no dpkg? |
| 18:53.28 | stouset | dpkg got tired of answering questions :) |
| 18:53.30 | stouset | Figured we need the practice. |
| 18:53.36 | dogmeat | Netscreen-5GT/Extended Security Appliance claims on its specifications product pdf under Firewall, to detect and provide DoS and DDoS protection (http://www.servepath.com/pdfs/netscreen_5gt.pdf). are they providing a viable solution? |
| 18:53.40 | Eulex | VPR5703, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
| 18:53.46 | yves | how do I change screen resolution? I'm running KDE now and in Control Center it allows me only 800x600. I have and ATI AIW 128. |
| 18:53.48 | darkcmd | our world is over without dpkg. |
| 18:53.50 | VPR5703 | ok thanks |
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| 18:53.54 | Eulex | !drzz yves |
| 18:53.54 | VPR5703 | Ill read up on it |
| 18:54.00 | madroach | How can I find out the name of the package providing a certain command? |
| 18:54.09 | Overand | madroach: apt-cache search |
| 18:54.10 | Eulex | yves, sarge or testing/unstable? |
| 18:54.11 | Overand | give that a start |
| 18:54.14 | leeprior | i have just installed debian and am trying to get nvidia drivers working. The binary from nvidia.com asks for the kernel sources. 2.6.12 is the kernel version but i cannot find the source on aptitude |
| 18:54.18 | stouset | madroach: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 18:54.22 | Eulex | madroach, apt-file |
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| 18:54.29 | yves | Eulex: sarge |
| 18:54.37 | rootnoverify | stouset: thanks, but I already found it :p |
| 18:54.38 | kspath | dogmeat: have several colos not all with same provider is another option there are dozens of solutions the problem is your budget |
| 18:54.41 | Eulex | yves, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:54.47 | stouset | leeprior: Do not use the binary from nvidia.com. |
| 18:55.00 | stouset | rootnoverify: no worries. |
| 18:55.00 | dogmeat | kspath: are you saying in order to reproduce a DDoS you needed that configuration? |
| 18:55.07 | madroach | thanks |
| 18:55.11 | yves | Eulex: thanks |
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| 18:55.29 | Eulex | yves, and select the right options. |
| 18:55.30 | kspath | dogmeat: in order to reduce the impact on your services |
| 18:55.37 | rootnoverify | come on, not again, oh man :( |
| 18:55.38 | dogmeat | ok i see |
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| 18:56.26 | kspath | dogmeat: there are other issues like TTL for A records and CNAMEs and such |
| 18:56.53 | kspath | dogmeat: firewalls help with some kinds of DDoS attacks |
| 18:56.57 | minit | hey peeps! would this be the correct channel to ask a general kernel compile question for my debian box? |
| 18:57.25 | kspath | dogmeat: but if you have a 10Mbit link and they are sending 100Mbit you are screwed |
| 18:57.56 | dogmeat | kspath: TTL effects only the DNS entry? |
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| 18:58.14 | asuffield | dogmeat: don't look at the advertising material when thinking about DoS-protection providers. look at the SLA |
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| 18:58.26 | kspath | dogmeat: in the sense I was using it yes |
| 18:58.31 | asuffield | dogmeat: if the SLA says "we provide no guarantees that any DoSses will be stopped" then you know exactly how valuable this service is |
| 18:58.33 | yves | Eulex: my video card is AGP and xserver is asking me for the busID. What is the proper syntax for it? |
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| 18:59.16 | asuffield | and if you can pay for a *real* SLA, one which gives you guaranteed response times and uptimes, then why are you asking us? |
| 18:59.23 | kspath | dogmeat: if they attack IP w.x.y.z and your A records point to that IP than all your customers can only go to there |
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| 18:59.48 | asuffield | (DDoS protection does not mean software. it means a team of people who watch your servers, hunt down what's going on, and call the right ISPs where they have contacts to get it shut down) |
| 18:59.57 | dogmeat | kspath: oh i see ... i had configured round robin DNS for a small time. |
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| 19:00.21 | kspath | dogmeat: not the only purpose but ok |
| 19:00.54 | bizkit | yves: PCI:1:0:0 for example |
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| 19:00.58 | kspath | I only have 7-8 years in ISP business I am not trying to confuse you |
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| 19:01.09 | kspath | the topic is very complicated and layered |
| 19:01.13 | Eulex | yves, just press enter |
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| 19:01.21 | kspath | so many options and things to watch out for and costs |
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| 19:02.16 | dogmeat | asuffield: well i had what seemed a DDoS against our LAMP. unfortuantely i was at the helm, without anyone else in our org knowing more. i could call on various professional services teams from my hosting provider, but they are on record as seeing nothing wrong with our site loading issues. |
| 19:02.31 | smacnay | is there a bash command for totalling certain files (total size)? similar to 'du -h' but giving a final total? |
| 19:02.42 | smacnay | nver mind |
| 19:03.12 | kspath | dogmeat: do you monitor your uplinks to your network for traffic loads and types of traffic? |
| 19:03.13 | soymilk | smacnay: ls -la ? |
| 19:03.22 | stew | asuffield: have you seen an SLA that actually covers DoS protection? |
| 19:03.45 | dogmeat | kspath: i do not at this time, but am bringing in some folks to set up software similar to mrtg |
| 19:04.00 | kspath | dogmeat: well that is a start at least |
| 19:04.04 | asuffield | stew: indirectly yes, in that DoSes don't fall under the fire/flood/act-of-god exceptions and the SLAs are all-inclusive |
| 19:04.10 | bbrazil | smacnay: -c |
| 19:04.13 | asuffield | stew: but you pay huge amounts of money for those |
| 19:04.18 | stew | right |
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| 19:04.46 | kspath | I should consult seems there are so many people that need clue help |
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| 19:05.05 | asuffield | stew: basically such contracts give specified response times and involve an insurance policy, so they say "if it goes down, for whatever reason, we'll get it back up within X hours and claim on the insurance if we need to" |
| 19:05.20 | kspath | I am not perfect but I know a ton more than so many sysadmins i have met lately |
| 19:05.25 | asuffield | and the rest is a standard insurance arrangement |
| 19:06.00 | benjamindees | kspath, consulting is a waste of time |
| 19:06.13 | asuffield | if you've ever seen a fire insurance deal for a large office block then you'll know roughly how the work, it's all the same stuff |
| 19:06.37 | bizkit | kspath: write it down, share the knowledge, i'm interested :) |
| 19:06.39 | stew | yeah, but it doesn't cover "your site is unusably slow due to all the malicious traffic" |
| 19:06.55 | atrus | VPR5703: thanks, i'll check into that |
| 19:07.01 | dogmeat | kspath: which tool would you use at the server to for monitoring uplinks ? i can only monitor my server traffic loads, but the SNMP community login strings of the upstream router hops are not available because my ISP blocks that traffic. |
| 19:07.06 | VPR5703 | yeah no problem |
| 19:07.07 | kspath | benjamindees: does it beat starving and unemployed |
| 19:07.17 | asuffield | same concept though. you pay huge amounts of money over time and get charged more if they think you are a higher risk |
| 19:07.38 | asuffield | and all it does is amortise the costs of dealing with it yourself over time, so that you don't have to worry about it |
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| 19:08.18 | kspath | dogmeat: start with what the people you are bringing in are going to do else use google |
| 19:08.29 | foo | I've done xset dpms force off and setterm -blank 0 as user ... but my screen still blanks. Any ideas? |
| 19:08.38 | asuffield | people like akamai provide such services. dozens of datacenters around the world and hundreds or thousands of servers, and they just bring in as many as are needed to handle the problem |
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| 19:09.11 | kspath | dogmeat: start with a google search for mrtg many alternatives will pop up but there is so much more all a matter of your resources and time |
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| 19:09.25 | soymilk | foo: xset -dpms |
| 19:09.40 | soymilk | foo: xset s noblank |
| 19:10.16 | asuffield | kspath: the thing about consulting is that it doesn't matter whether you're any good at it or not |
| 19:10.22 | asuffield | kspath: the clients can't tell the difference |
| 19:10.39 | kspath | asuffield: true |
| 19:10.50 | asuffield | so (a) the exercise is completely pointless, and (b) you are eventually replaced by somebody cheaper who tells them lies they like better than the lies you told them |
| 19:11.13 | kspath | asuffield: lol I can see that |
| 19:11.31 | stew | i've been replaced by someone cheaper a number of times and had them come back when they realize that they get what they pay for |
| 19:11.31 | asuffield | the purpose of consultancy is to remove the blame from management |
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| 19:11.36 | kspath | asuffield: I would not be lying but I guess that is rare these days |
| 19:11.45 | asuffield | kspath: which is why you'd be replaced |
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| 19:12.02 | asuffield | managers hire the consultant who tells them what they want to hear |
| 19:12.08 | darkness_ | What is your job stew? |
| 19:12.17 | deepspace | Can anyone tell me why xset s off gives me "Unable to Open Display"? This used to work fine. Even if I try specifying a -display 0-9, it gives me a corresponding error (Cannot open display 0). I just want my stupid screen to stop blanking. |
| 19:12.20 | asuffield | the consultant then fucks up |
| 19:12.24 | asuffield | and the manager can blame the consultant |
| 19:12.29 | asuffield | and consultants are easily axed |
| 19:12.36 | devicenull | maybe I'm missing it, but how to I update my system? |
| 19:12.37 | asuffield | this process serves to perpetuate the job of the manager |
| 19:12.42 | asuffield | it's the essence of big business |
| 19:12.52 | stew | darkness_: my wife and i are computer jocks for hire i guess, we do mostly programming some admin |
| 19:13.07 | kspath | asuffield: I had a manager having a consultant buidling tools for my sysadmins that was all Effd up because the manager was setting specs and thought he had a clue |
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| 19:13.16 | darkness_ | stew, Good money in it still? |
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| 19:13.33 | abrotman | gravity: you moved again! |
| 19:13.33 | stew | darkness_: i'm very well content |
| 19:13.35 | asuffield | kspath: and he hired the consultant who told him it could be done, rather than the one who told him that he was an idiot. yes, that's it |
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| 19:13.48 | gravity | abrotman: Yep :-) |
| 19:14.05 | abrotman | gravity: it's weird you're moving .. weirder that i remember hostmasks |
| 19:14.11 | abrotman | I'm a bot! |
| 19:14.14 | Iconsumed | I have not configured any firewall, but do I have one automaticly? |
| 19:14.17 | darkness_ | My friend got a three months job out in Aussie all expenses paid, with a pad overlooking Sydney harbour. |
| 19:14.23 | gravity | hehe |
| 19:14.28 | stew | gravity: did you actually move? or are you on holidy? |
| 19:14.48 | gravity | stew: Just on holiday. I'm back visiting the folks and friends |
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| 19:15.42 | asuffield | kspath: the last piece of information you need to realise this is inevitable is: every manager is an idiot because the smart ones all went into business for themselves and got rich |
| 19:16.11 | abrotman | or they're very good liars .. in which case .. your days are numbered :) |
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| 19:16.21 | darkness_ | I'm pondering doing an OU in computing. |
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| 19:16.51 | stew | i should be on holiday, but one client decided that dec31 was a good date to cancel a server, so I have an unexpected deadline |
| 19:17.12 | asuffield | darkness_: like a degree? everybody has those. they aren't worth much but no big company will look at your CV without one |
| 19:17.22 | Iconsumed | bittornado client shows a yellow light, so I'm thinking maybe I have a firewall blocking it, how do I configure it? |
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| 19:17.33 | SevenIsPrime | Hi all |
| 19:17.40 | Iconsumed | if i have one that is, if there is one by standard |
| 19:17.55 | darkness_ | asuffield, I'm starting with a module on web basics, development and management. |
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| 19:18.13 | pawdro | how to install xorg? |
| 19:18.14 | SevenIsPrime | I'd like to resolve just one issue ... I cannot access my CD/DVD combo drive. |
| 19:18.16 | asuffield | oh, and you can't get a new computing job with a big company if you are over 25 |
| 19:18.22 | darkcmd | does debian have a /usr/adm |
| 19:18.35 | asuffield | (since under 25s can be paid less and there is no shortage of them) |
| 19:18.50 | darkness_ | asuffield, i'm doing an Ou as i enjoy computing and a degree goes down well getting government jobs :-) |
| 19:18.53 | asuffield | also you will be replaced by one when you reach 30 or so |
| 19:18.59 | SevenIsPrime | asuffield: But who wants to work for a big company anyhow? They usually suck :) |
| 19:19.03 | asuffield | SevenIsPrime: well, duh |
| 19:19.15 | asuffield | oh, government jobs. those are all about politics |
| 19:19.24 | darkness_ | asuffield, My friend is okay. He's nearly forty and works for Circa going great. |
| 19:19.25 | asuffield | you get those solely determined on who you know |
| 19:19.27 | asuffield | not what you know |
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| 19:19.48 | asuffield | (hence why civil servants are usually inept) |
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| 19:19.53 | mbuf | how do i configure apache common in debian ? |
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| 19:20.10 | abrotman | to do what ? |
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| 19:20.23 | mbuf | to run apache |
| 19:20.23 | SevenIsPrime | asuffield: I just changed from a company with >400000 working ants to a small (52 ppl) and I think it was the best thing I ever did. But what does it have to do with Debian? |
| 19:20.23 | VPR5703 | anyone know how much overhead TCP/IP has? |
| 19:20.30 | hungry | is there something that will run dos batch files from linux? |
| 19:20.38 | abrotman | VPR5703: you mean bits per packet ? |
| 19:20.49 | pawdro | how to get infos about installing xorg sarge? |
| 19:20.49 | VPR5703 | Like a percentage maybe. |
| 19:20.51 | Althaser | how can i see the screens ? please |
| 19:20.57 | VPR5703 | But bits per packet ould work, too |
| 19:21.00 | VPR5703 | *would |
| 19:21.10 | gravity | !tell pawdro about xorg sarge |
| 19:21.24 | Smoked1 | I have read that debian has issues when installing on an inspiron 6000 but I have read that ubuntu works pretty well. I would rather use debian. Does anyone have any input on if this is true or why? |
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| 19:21.41 | odla | pawdro: you can get xorg 6.9 via backports for sarge now |
| 19:21.56 | simone^ | i have a problem with xorg: when gdm tries to start i get black screen and "no signal" error from the monitor...using debian 3.1 and nvidia drivers. |
| 19:22.05 | pawdro | odla: just apt-get install xorg? |
| 19:22.06 | gravity | Geez, he already backported 6.9? |
| 19:22.12 | odla | pawdro: no |
| 19:22.20 | darkness_ | stew: I got my internet connection working again :-) |
| 19:22.22 | odla | pawdro: www.backports.org |
| 19:22.33 | odla | pawdro: if you want 6.9 then do this... |
| 19:23.01 | odla | pawdro: add deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main |
| 19:23.04 | abrotman | !tell pawdro about xorg sarge |
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| 19:23.31 | netcrusher88 | ffmpeg cannot find the MPEG AAC audio encoder, any ideas? |
| 19:23.45 | stew | gravity: did 6.9 go into unstable? pdo doesn't think so yet unless i'm looking at the wrong package |
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| 19:23.56 | odla | stew: yes it did |
| 19:24.08 | odla | stew: read p.d.n ...gravity made a post there |
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| 19:24.11 | netcrusher88 | i'm runing sid with the marilat and rarewares repositires |
| 19:24.18 | gravity | stew: It's in incoming now |
| 19:24.25 | gravity | I didn't get it uploaded in time for dinstall yesterday |
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| 19:24.47 | stew | gravity: cool |
| 19:25.09 | abrotman | gravity: you need faster intarweb! |
| 19:25.21 | gravity | abrotman: No kidding |
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| 19:25.32 | Laerti_el | hello can someone help me |
| 19:25.42 | abrotman | !ask |
| 19:25.48 | Laerti_el | i cant |
| 19:25.59 | abrotman | dpkg: die! |
| 19:26.03 | Laerti_el | open the debian 3.1 |
| 19:26.12 | Laerti_el | from shell to graphic mode |
| 19:26.16 | abrotman | why |
| 19:26.16 | odla | startx |
| 19:26.17 | abrotman | not |
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| 19:26.19 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:26.23 | nkuttler_ | Laerti_el: ask your question on one line, please |
| 19:26.31 | Laerti_el | because is the first time that i use debian |
| 19:26.59 | Laerti_el | ok sorry |
| 19:27.23 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: do you know where the faq is? |
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| 19:27.56 | FlopsyPete | I'm trying to configure dual head Xinerama on a Matrox G450 using Debian Testing. I believe I have everything as it should be, having read loads of tutorials. are there any obvious gotchas I should know about? |
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| 19:28.38 | Laerti_el | nkuttler please answer in Private |
| 19:28.59 | nkuttler | !faq |
| 19:29.12 | nkuttler | ~faq |
| 19:29.13 | apt | methinks faq is frequently asked question... try asking me about "RTFM" |
| 19:29.21 | nkuttler | grrr |
| 19:29.26 | Laerti_el | no i dont know what means |
| 19:29.34 | Laerti_el | im the first time here in this chat |
| 19:29.43 | Laerti_el | is the first time that i use debian |
| 19:29.55 | Laerti_el | 3.1 |
| 19:30.02 | Laerti_el | and i dont know nothing |
| 19:30.18 | gravity | You don't know what a faq is? |
| 19:30.47 | Laerti_el | no |
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| 19:31.36 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: apt just said what it is |
| 19:32.00 | Laerti_el | what it is? |
| 19:32.00 | nkuttler | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:32.17 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: go read that site, then come back |
| 19:32.18 | FlopsyPete | after restarting X, at what point should Xinerama kick in? at the GDM login screen? |
| 19:32.19 | bizkit | Laerti_el: the faq will be your best friend the next days |
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| 19:32.40 | Laerti_el | thx man |
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| 19:32.58 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: later you can go to debian.org and read the Documentation section |
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| 19:33.24 | Laerti_el | nkuttler can we talk in privat |
| 19:33.26 | foo | I've done xset -dpms; xset s noblank; setterm -blank 0 as user ... yet I have some X looking screen saver coming up. How can I stop this? |
| 19:33.33 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: no, ask in the channel |
| 19:33.34 | Laerti_el | i need |
| 19:33.39 | Laerti_el | ok |
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| 19:34.17 | Laerti_el | look i dont have much time to read i need only today because im not gonna learn debian faq cause i use windows and |
| 19:34.43 | FlopsyPete | does DRI need to be disabled for Xinerama to work? |
| 19:34.52 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: reading will be faster than trying to get answers here... |
| 19:35.03 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: especially if you say you don't want to read |
| 19:35.18 | yves | I have changed the Xfree86 config to add 1024x768 resolution but it doesn't seem to accept this new resolution. I can't switch to it. |
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| 19:35.53 | Laerti_el | look please |
| 19:35.56 | kspath | yves: typo? driver issue? card issue? monitor issue? |
| 19:35.57 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: read ConfiguringX... then the res5 |
| 19:36.01 | nkuttler | rest even |
| 19:36.06 | Laerti_el | i want to resolve this problem |
| 19:36.11 | karsten | nanok: Thinkpads do absolutely rock (apropos discussion many hours ago)] |
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| 19:37.21 | kspath | yves: are you sure that your monitor and card can handle that though I am fairly sure they should unless quite old |
| 19:37.45 | Laerti_el | when i format the PC the system is not displayed in graphic mode but in the shell mode and asking me to login |
| 19:38.03 | Laerti_el | so when i login i dont know what to do |
| 19:38.05 | abrotman | Laerti_el: what kind of desktop would you like ? |
| 19:38.15 | Laerti_el | god GRAPHIC DESKTOP |
| 19:38.19 | Laerti_el | wityh icons |
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| 19:38.26 | Laerti_el | like windows |
| 19:38.28 | yves | kspath: I went trhu the xfree86 -configure and the changes are in the XF86config-4 file. All seems proper. |
| 19:38.38 | abrotman | Laerti_el: apt-get install gnome x-window-system gdm |
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| 19:38.49 | kspath | yves: did you restart your X? |
| 19:38.57 | yves | kspath: yes my monitor and card can handle even more than that. |
| 19:39.04 | Laerti_el | where can i put this |
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| 19:39.32 | yves | kspath: nope. I was actually lookinf for that command. Can't find it. |
| 19:39.39 | kspath | yves: I am not great at helping with these issue via irc since things tend to just work for me |
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| 19:40.31 | daft | I have problems getting SB Audigy 2 NX (usb) to work internal cards never had any problem and i dont know where to look for |
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| 19:40.58 | yves | kspath: to restart X do I have to reboot or is there a command for that? |
| 19:41.00 | Laerti_el | abrotman where can i put that command |
| 19:41.12 | Unity | what must i pass to mount so that i can access windows files on ntfs with unicode characters |
| 19:41.13 | kspath | yves: well rather than ask a ton of questions regarding your system I would say if you can safely exit X make sure all work is saved and make sure you do not have any critical background processes running |
| 19:41.19 | stew | yves: look at /var/log/Xfree86.0.log to see why the 1024.768 mode was thrown out |
| 19:41.39 | kspath | yves: stew has a great point/idea |
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| 19:41.43 | Laerti_el | abrotman where can i put that command |
| 19:42.16 | yves | stew: I will look. |
| 19:42.20 | mith | hrm, either my rsync excludes are fucked up (doesn't look like it) or there's a bunch of push-primary us mirrors that haven't gotten 3.1r1 fully yet :( |
| 19:42.43 | Laerti_el | abrotmanabrotmanabrotman |
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| 19:42.53 | mith | keep getting errors about missing kernel modules trying to do an install |
| 19:42.55 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: see... reading the faq is faster |
| 19:43.05 | Laerti_el | i dont have time god |
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| 19:43.13 | mo1991 | anyone know where to find the xdvdshrink package for sarge? |
| 19:43.20 | Laerti_el | only tell |
| 19:43.22 | Laerti_el | me |
| 19:43.33 | stew | Laerti_el: type that command into a root shell |
| 19:43.34 | Laerti_el | how can i see the graphic mode |
| 19:43.45 | Laerti_el | wait |
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| 19:45.47 | Laerti_el | stew package is missing |
| 19:45.51 | Laerti_el | and now |
| 19:45.52 | Laerti_el | ??? |
| 19:45.53 | sha1sum | what's a good app for playing windoze media net radio (asx playlists, etc.) |
| 19:45.58 | sha1sum | ? |
| 19:46.15 | stew | Laerti_el: what package is missing? what error are you getting? |
| 19:46.27 | Laerti_el | look |
| 19:46.32 | Laerti_el | when i type |
| 19:46.35 | Laerti_el | that command |
| 19:46.39 | Laerti_el | wait |
| 19:46.39 | mo1991 | hmmm - is xdvdshrink actually available? |
| 19:46.40 | SpamHog | I need to add Italian to a KDE install - but it's not there in any options. Are there .deb's for additional languages? What are their names? |
| 19:46.43 | gravity | Fucking a |
| 19:46.46 | stew | !tell Laerti_el about enter |
| 19:46.52 | gravity | Laerti_el: Stop hitting enter every two words |
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| 19:47.04 | nkuttler | SpamHog: apt-cache search kde italian |
| 19:47.11 | SpamHog | thanks!! |
| 19:47.13 | Laerti_el | package gnome is not avaible |
| 19:47.39 | mith | so seriously, what should I be looking at to find out why the 3.1r1 installer bitches about missing kernel modules on my mirror? it's sync'ed with the push-primary mirrors and I've manually run the rsync against a couple different servers and it appears to all be updated |
| 19:47.45 | stew | Laerti_el: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:47.50 | Laerti_el | 3.1 |
| 19:47.55 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: how did you install it? |
| 19:48.14 | Laerti_el | i boot the cd i format my hard disk |
| 19:48.20 | Laerti_el | and i instal it |
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| 19:48.22 | stew | Laerti_el: put your sources.list into a pastebin or post it to #flood |
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| 19:48.45 | Laerti_el | i cant understand you |
| 19:48.45 | ciol | hello :o) |
| 19:48.57 | Skaag | what do I ask dpkg to learn about making apt ignore certain packages during upgrades? |
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| 19:49.10 | gravity | Laerti_el: You may want to seek help in your native language |
| 19:49.10 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: paste the file /etc/apt/sources.list in the #flood channel |
| 19:49.17 | stew | Skaag: /msg dpkg hold |
| 19:49.32 | Skaag | thanks stew |
| 19:49.35 | yves | stew: /var/log/Xfree86.0.log tells me either "hsync out of range" or "vrefresh out of range" for the various 1024X768 lines. I never had problems when I used this card and monitor in MSwin. |
| 19:49.39 | Laerti_el | gravity i dont think that has any room in albanian language |
| 19:49.42 | Skaag | hm... dpkg isn't answering |
| 19:49.49 | takatumi | aptitude hold foo |
| 19:49.59 | Skaag | ok thanks |
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| 19:50.20 | Laerti_el | nkuttler where can i find it |
| 19:50.32 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: i told you |
| 19:50.47 | stew | Laerti_el: where can you find /etc/apt/sources.list? its in /etc/apt/ |
| 19:50.50 | Unity | if i want smbd and nmbd not to start up, i just remove the samba script from /etc/rc2.d? |
| 19:50.52 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: /this/is/a/unix/path and you seem to be a troll |
| 19:51.00 | stew | Laerti_el: run apt-setup |
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| 19:51.39 | nkuttler | the sarge installer is too easy :-/ |
| 19:51.43 | Laerti_el | i know |
| 19:51.48 | Laerti_el | that |
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| 19:52.21 | Laerti_el | apt-setup |
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| 19:53.12 | bizkit | yves: get the right ranges for your monitor from it's manual |
| 19:53.41 | Laerti_el | i do it |
| 19:53.41 | valdyn | Unity: would probably better to move the /etc/init.d/samba script |
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| 19:53.48 | Laerti_el | and something is installed |
| 19:53.54 | mo1991 | does anyone know anything about xdvdshrink? I have aliened the package to debian but cannot get the X GUi to work? |
| 19:53.55 | dbron | Laerti_el: you have been told to quit flooding, cut it out |
| 19:54.03 | Laerti_el | ??? |
| 19:54.09 | aaronlin | what command do I type to see a listing of the most popular channels on freenode? |
| 19:54.13 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: apt-get update |
| 19:54.16 | abrotman | aaronlin: /list |
| 19:54.20 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: then the install command again |
| 19:54.21 | stew | Laerti_el: stop hitting enter so much. only hit enter at the end of a sentence |
| 19:54.28 | Gnea | !!! |
| 19:54.36 | yves | bizkit: I'm trying to find that info right now. No help from the TTX site though. |
| 19:54.41 | Laerti_el | ok sorry |
| 19:54.51 | stew | yves: how is the monitor connected? vga cable? dvi cable? |
| 19:55.07 | yves | stew: VGA cable. |
| 19:55.26 | hueh | yves: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and when asked for setup "Advanced, Medium etc." - try Medium and select 1024x768 - usu gets you at least running |
| 19:55.32 | Unity | valdyn, so then the softlinks will point to nothing and debian is ok with that? |
| 19:55.39 | valdyn | Unity: yea |
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| 19:56.03 | GNULinux | I have this line in lilo.conf - append="panic=60" , what does it mean? |
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| 19:56.10 | valdyn | Unity: both works, but only the change to /etc/init.d/samba will persist thru upgrades |
| 19:56.12 | Gnea | hey, how can i specify which version of a package to install via apt? I want to install version 1.0.7676-2 of the nvidia-kernel-source and libs but 1.0.8178-1 is the latest |
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| 19:56.23 | yves | hueh: I will try that. Thanks |
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| 19:56.30 | bizkit | GNULinux: when your kernel hangs due to a kernel panic, it reboots the machine after 60s |
| 19:56.31 | stew | yves: "/msg dpkg xmd5" before you dpkg-reconfigure |
| 19:56.37 | GNULinux | bizkit: thanks |
| 19:56.50 | tarzeau | odla: i was on the mountains in the snow... |
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| 19:56.53 | yves | stew: what is that? |
| 19:57.02 | karsten | Gnea: Generally, I use aptitude's interactive mode for that. Also offers CLI IIRC. RTFM |
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| 19:57.15 | stew | !tell yves about xmd5 |
| 19:57.15 | Unity | valdyn, how about just changing the name like putting ~ at the end of the script? |
| 19:57.16 | Laerti_el | nkuttler after the command apt-get setup has finished an instalation of 1024 packages and she ask me if i can try another source or not from where i can install another packages |
| 19:57.26 | Laerti_el | so |
| 19:57.27 | Laerti_el | ??? |
| 19:57.30 | valdyn | Unity: oh, thats exactly what i meant |
| 19:57.32 | stew | @tell yves about xmd5 |
| 19:57.35 | karsten | Laerti_el: Stop that. |
| 19:57.39 | stew | are we botless? |
| 19:57.40 | Gnea | karsten: i want to know how to do it with apt-get. way ahead of you on RTFM. |
| 19:57.46 | Unity | valdyn, ok thx |
| 19:57.56 | valdyn | Unity: i do something like 'mv samba samba.notused' |
| 19:57.57 | karsten | Gnea: aptitude >> apt-get |
| 19:58.03 | Gnea | Laerti_el: no need to add the extra question marks |
| 19:58.15 | nkuttler | Laerti_el: one source is enough. stop hitting enter so much. damnit. |
| 19:58.15 | stew | yves: read this: http://dpkg.vireo.org/x+md5sum |
| 19:58.18 | takatumi | sussudio_: badgers? |
| 19:58.23 | yves | Stew: it tells me no such file or directory |
| 19:58.29 | RichiH | takatumi: mushrooms. |
| 19:58.41 | takatumi | tarzeau: bubbles |
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| 19:59.01 | tarzeau | takatumi: my rear hurts |
| 19:59.05 | karsten | Gnea: RTFM 'apt-get' as well for specific version installation. 'specific version' == your search phrase. |
| 19:59.07 | takatumi | hah |
| 19:59.16 | stew | yves: since you used XFree86 -configure, you have to follow the instructions in that url |
| 19:59.31 | takatumi | tarzeau: playing goatse with your butt? |
| 19:59.47 | kspath | do you think my having a militant signature on my email like LAMP is dead, long live DAPP is preventing me from getting hired? |
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| 20:00.11 | kspath | DAPP == Debian Apache Perl/Python/PHP PostgreSQL ? |
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| 20:00.16 | kspath | -? |
| 20:00.38 | yves | stew: OK. Will read that. |
| 20:00.46 | tarzeau | takatumi: snowboarding on hard pists is not good for noobs |
| 20:00.57 | takatumi | kspath: they probably thought you didn't know to spell LAMB |
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| 20:01.06 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: *lol* |
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| 20:01.19 | takatumi | tarzeau: haven't tried it, wanting to myself. |
| 20:01.26 | rootnoverify | can I force debian to run an English shell, instead of a dutch one? |
| 20:01.40 | valdyn | rootnoverify: permantently? |
| 20:01.47 | valdyn | rootnoverify: or just once? |
| 20:01.49 | tarzeau | takatumi: the hard things are the lifts |
| 20:01.58 | nix | rootnoverify: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:02.09 | rootnoverify | valdyn: oh, even better, maybe you could help me further, cause my problem still isn't solved |
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| 20:02.28 | rootnoverify | nix: not permanently |
| 20:02.31 | valdyn | rootnoverify: did you reinstall nvidia-kernel-source as i said? |
| 20:02.34 | Gnea | karsten: opinion != fact, and aptitude just froze up after i searched for it and tried to find the version information |
| 20:02.46 | tarzeau | tiCo89: wirklich mein arsch tut weh. eine zeit lange dachte ich ich blute, oder schnee ist hineingerütscht |
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| 20:03.06 | rootnoverify | valdyn: I wasn't here, and when I came back, it wasn't on my screen anymore, so, no, I didn't |
| 20:03.22 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: kenn ich =) |
| 20:03.31 | valdyn | rootnoverify: apt-get remove --purge nvidia-kernel-source && apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 20:04.13 | valdyn | rootnoverify: after that: m-a clean; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia |
| 20:04.37 | rootnoverify | ok |
| 20:04.40 | karsten | Gnea: /msg dpkg aptitude when it's back online. |
| 20:04.53 | takatumi | ~aptitude |
| 20:04.54 | apt | i guess aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 20:05.07 | Laerti_el | nkuttler now i will try to format again the hd so can u tell u tell me step by step what it is needed to do |
| 20:05.13 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:05.26 | RichiH | dpkg: test |
| 20:05.32 | karsten | takatumi: Thanks. Gnea: that debian-devel post by Joey Hess details several major wins. |
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| 20:05.46 | rootnoverify | valdyn: and after? |
| 20:05.46 | karsten | RichiH: it's dead. |
| 20:06.03 | valdyn | rootnoverify: apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 20:06.07 | RichiH | karsten: yah. i just poked dondelelcaro about it |
| 20:06.12 | karsten | RichiH: Danke. |
| 20:06.16 | RichiH | don_inlab: you, too |
| 20:06.30 | rootnoverify | valdyn: still the same error |
| 20:06.43 | Laerti_el | STEW now i will try to format again the hd so can u tell u tell me step by step what it is needed to do |
| 20:06.51 | valdyn | rootnoverify: which one? |
| 20:07.00 | takatumi | RichiH: that's why I poked sussudio_ earlier. :) |
| 20:07.04 | valdyn | rootnoverify: which of the above commands didnt work? |
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| 20:07.33 | rootnoverify | valdyn: I suppose the last one didn't, with the error that the nvidia kernel isn't installable |
| 20:07.40 | stew | Laerti_el: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:07.53 | rootnoverify | stew: he's trying to get gdm to work |
| 20:07.57 | valdyn | rootnoverify: ls /usr/src/*.deb |
| 20:08.12 | yves | stew: I check the md5sum verification. both files were identical. I went thru dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and used medium and told it to use 1024x768. Now, do I have to restart X and if so, what is the command? |
| 20:08.18 | rootnoverify | valdyn: /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2-386_1.0.7174-3+2.6.8-16sarge1_i386.deb |
| 20:08.21 | Laerti_el | im trying to format again the pc and i want that after i install the linux debian 3.1 the computer starts in GRAPHIC mode with desktp and with icons |
| 20:08.31 | stew | Laerti_el: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 20:08.38 | rootnoverify | yves: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 20:08.41 | valdyn | rootnoverify: ok, paste me the full error message please |
| 20:08.45 | stew | yves: /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
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| 20:09.24 | Gnea | karsten: the manpages of both aptitude and apt-get do not detail how to specify a specific version of a package, only some sort of generalized outline, and -t is not applicable since it is for the release level |
| 20:09.27 | rootnoverify | valdyn: tell me how to the terminal in english, unless you understand dutch |
| 20:09.37 | Laerti_el | what manual it is needed for me there |
| 20:09.37 | stew | Gnea: apt-get install package=version |
| 20:09.39 | Gnea | karsten: and that post only talks about it, it doesn't go into any technical detail either |
| 20:09.42 | valdyn | rootnoverify: LC_ALL=C <command> |
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| 20:10.02 | hueh | wow, well done stew - that got yves! |
| 20:10.10 | Gnea | stew: thank you :) |
| 20:11.02 | Laerti_el | stew i dont understand the terms there in that manual cause i have 8 years that i use windows |
| 20:11.26 | Gnea | !tell Laerti_el about newbie-guide |
| 20:11.30 | Gnea | d'oh |
| 20:11.31 | valdyn | are the new nvidia packages broken for people? they did work just fine for me.. |
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| 20:11.38 | rootnoverify | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/484523 |
| 20:11.42 | Gnea | forgot about that already |
| 20:11.45 | stew | Laerti_el: if you have a specific question, ask it |
| 20:11.48 | hueh | valdyn: work fine for me too |
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| 20:11.50 | karsten | Gnea: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1417 |
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| 20:12.12 | chad | hello |
| 20:12.25 | valdyn | rootnoverify: run again: 'm-a a-i nvidia' and paste me the error |
| 20:12.54 | karsten | Gnea: Joey's post is pretty damned specific, if that's what you're referring to WRT aptitude bonuses. |
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| 20:13.17 | donm | hello world |
| 20:13.30 | donm | i am winfree at last |
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| 20:13.35 | rootnoverify | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/484526 |
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| 20:13.42 | karsten | Gnea: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/07/msg02135.html specifically. |
| 20:13.56 | karsten | ~beer donm |
| 20:13.57 | apt | ACTION pours a pint of Yuengling Lager for donm |
| 20:13.58 | Gnea | karsten: i think it's about time that an 'EXAMPLES' section was added to the manpage. |
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| 20:14.10 | karsten | Gnea: Submit a patch ;-) |
| 20:14.19 | Gnea | karsten: oh i will >;) |
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| 20:14.26 | Gnea | karsten: thanks, btw |
| 20:14.46 | egil | When downloading with wget, is it possible to choose another name for the downloaded file ? |
| 20:14.51 | valdyn | rootnoverify: ok, gonna skip m-a this time: ls -l /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz |
| 20:14.54 | Gnea | ~beer karsten |
| 20:14.56 | apt | ACTION pours a quart of La Maudite for karsten |
| 20:15.11 | Gnea | ~beer stew |
| 20:15.12 | apt | ACTION deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimater for stew |
| 20:15.19 | rootnoverify | valdyn: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1540053 2005-12-27 23:31 /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz |
| 20:15.39 | karsten | Gnea: NP. |
| 20:15.48 | Laerti_el | now im telling you that after i select the country and after i select the keyboard language the system is detecting , scanning , loading and coniguring automatically the network and now DEAR STEW what it is needed to do |
| 20:15.50 | stew | ~CMD: beer (.*?) =~ s/Optimater/Optimator/ |
| 20:16.16 | valdyn | rootnoverify: ok, that looks like the right file, now: rm -r /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel |
| 20:16.18 | hueh | egil: not easily ... or at least not without some potential problems - try using lynx instead |
| 20:16.36 | valdyn | rootnoverify: then cd /usr/src && tar xzvf nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz |
| 20:16.51 | stew | Laerti_el: are you following the install manual? |
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| 20:17.09 | Laerti_el | i dont understand the terms |
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| 20:17.37 | kspath | terms? |
| 20:17.41 | stew | Laerti_el: maybe you should use ubuntu instead of debian |
| 20:17.41 | sean_micken|work | hey 'aptitude dist-upgrade' wants to install a package that i don't want it to, but im not sure why it wants to... how do i list what package is pulling it in as a dep? |
| 20:17.50 | VictorJ | hi guys, i am looking for an apt source where i can find recent kernels and iptables packages with the latest patch-o-matic patches applied. Does anyone know if such a source exists for using with Sarge? |
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| 20:18.21 | Laerti_el | stew when i install the debian for the first time he show me the desktop and the icons |
| 20:18.24 | yves | stew: looks like the change in X worked now. Thanks for your help. |
| 20:18.26 | valdyn | rootnoverify: say when done.. |
| 20:18.36 | stew | yves: you're welcome |
| 20:18.40 | egil | hueh: how to only download a file with lynx ? |
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| 20:18.56 | donm | i need help with my ATI card.... to install the driver...it is sh .... right from ATI but, i dont know what to do (please dont laugh very loud) |
| 20:19.02 | hueh | egil: pass it the same url as wget and just follow the on-screen prompts |
| 20:19.14 | stew | Laerti_el: maybe tasksel is what you are looking for? i don't know. i don't understand what question you are trying to ask |
| 20:19.17 | valdyn | donm: do not use atis installer |
| 20:19.20 | TTT | hi, are there tools to read XFS under windows? Something like explore2fs? |
| 20:19.20 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
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| 20:19.28 | moshii | TTT: no |
| 20:19.31 | valdyn | ~ati drivers |
| 20:19.32 | apt | ati drivers is, like, http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html ATI drivers in deb form |
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| 20:19.40 | ozgurgerilla | hi all |
| 20:19.48 | TTT | moshii, ugh, that's a shame. Well, gotta reboot then |
| 20:19.51 | Trigger13 | i use usbmount and have /var/run on a tmpfs. that's why /var/run/usbmount is deleted after everyboot, but usbmount doesn't recreate this directory and fail. can i consider this as a bug? |
| 20:19.54 | ozgurgerilla | is there a way to install linux on my mac laptop? |
| 20:20.01 | hueh | egil: i.e. s/wget/lynx |
| 20:20.06 | benjamindees | sean_micken|work, apt-cache rdepends <pkg> ? |
| 20:20.42 | kspath | ozgurgerilla: I did it but I wiped my drive in favor of linux only |
| 20:20.46 | Laerti_el | stew thx for your time really i appreciate it. now im telling that im formatting again my pc with linux debian 3.1 (INSTALLING the DEBIAN BASE SYSTEM) |
| 20:20.53 | stew | ozgurgerilla: yes, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ |
| 20:21.06 | Laerti_el | after this what is needed to do |
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| 20:21.30 | rredd4_ | can i install lilo through windows xp, i have debian on my hd.. but only win xp loads. I did a winxp restore and lost lilo |
| 20:21.58 | Gnea | rredd4_: do you still have the debian install cd? |
| 20:22.18 | rredd4_ | yes.. somewhere.. |
| 20:22.41 | Laerti_el | stew thx for your time really i appreciate it. now im telling that im formatting again my pc with linux debian 3.1 (INSTALLING the DEBIAN BASE SYSTEM) |
| 20:22.43 | Laerti_el | after this what is needed to do |
| 20:22.49 | anapivirtua_ | bn all |
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| 20:23.27 | Gnea | ok, find it, and boot that - you should be able to do this at boot: linux[26] root=/dev/hda2 (or whatever your root partition and kernel version are) and boot into it then run lilo there |
| 20:23.33 | sky0 | Can anyone tell me howto determine which compiler version was used to create a specific library; is this info stored anywhere or fixed for each debian-release? |
| 20:24.02 | valdyn | sky0: neither nor, but for sarge it is gcc-3.3 |
| 20:24.13 | Laerti_el | stew thx for your time really i appreciate it. now im telling that im formatting again my pc with linux debian 3.1 (INSTALLING the DEBIAN BASE SYSTEM) |
| 20:24.33 | ozgurgerilla | <kspath> could you please tell me how u did that |
| 20:24.46 | valdyn | sky0: debian releases have consistent ABI, doesnt mean they need to use consistent compiler versions |
| 20:24.54 | rredd4_ | Gnea: only need cd# 1? |
| 20:25.09 | Laerti_el | stew are u there |
| 20:25.20 | kspath | ozgurgerilla: the way I did it wiped out MacOSX and ALL data and partitions on the disk... |
| 20:25.20 | Gnea | rredd4_: yeah, all you're doing is 'rescuing' your installation - kind of like a bootstrap but not |
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| 20:26.04 | stew | Laerti_el: yes |
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| 20:26.07 | ozgurgerilla | which tool did u use to wipe |
| 20:26.11 | kspath | ozgurgerilla: are you sure you want to wipe all data off your mac? |
| 20:26.41 | Laerti_el | so |
| 20:26.42 | kspath | ozgurgerilla: fdisk or something that was months and months ago |
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| 20:26.58 | ozgurgerilla | well. cant i reinstall osx? |
| 20:27.03 | sky0 | valdyn: I am developing myself; latest lib in unstable leads to segfault (of the ugly kind; invalid pointer in delete), whereas latest stable (same version) from homepage works; so either a bug specifically in that debian-lib or a freaky g++ ABI issue. |
| 20:27.10 | Laerti_el | now im n that phase that im configuring the passwords |
| 20:27.20 | ozgurgerilla | and does it work efficiently. does the sound work? |
| 20:27.36 | kspath | ozgurgerilla: sure I guess did you get the directions that stew or someone pointed you at? |
| 20:27.53 | ozgurgerilla | no i havent |
| 20:28.04 | ozgurgerilla | ok got it now. |
| 20:28.29 | kspath | ozgurerilla: sound works and I can play dvds off ext plextor DVD player but my iBook is too slow to do it well |
| 20:28.30 | rredd4_ | Gnea: is there n e other way to do this without having to dl all of cd #1? can't find cd ... |
| 20:28.37 | Laerti_el | stew and now the pc wants to connect in security.debian.org what is this |
| 20:28.39 | nix | what package does one need to dpkg-reconfigure (or file to edit) to set the default window manager when X is started with startx? |
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| 20:28.53 | ozgurgerilla | kspath would a powerpc ibook 1.2 be ok? |
| 20:29.00 | stew | Laerti_el: that is where you get new packages which were released for security updates |
| 20:29.09 | Gnea | rredd4_: can't think of anything else right now... keep searching |
| 20:29.44 | Laerti_el | i dont need the packages "Temporary failure resolving 'security.debian.org' and now |
| 20:29.45 | Elly | nix: /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 20:29.47 | Elly | I think |
| 20:29.47 | kspath | ozgurgerilla: I do not know I have an old cdrom iBook G3 700 Mhz 640MB ram |
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| 20:30.02 | ozgurgerilla | owwwk |
| 20:30.15 | ozgurgerilla | my one is twice as that, so should be ok |
| 20:30.50 | Laerti_el | STEW i dont need the packages "Temporary failure resolving 'security.debian.org' and now |
| 20:30.58 | hueh | nix: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 20:31.06 | kspath | ozgurgerilla: I did not try to improve my DVD playback because I had a faster machine acroos the room to play DVDs if you tweak it and yours is much faster you should be ok |
| 20:31.28 | ozgurgerilla | <kspath> true. thanks. |
| 20:31.45 | rredd4_ | Gnea: can i do it with the minimal bootable CD? |
| 20:31.54 | Laerti_el | STEW i dont need the packages "Temporary failure resolving 'security.debian.org' and now |
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| 20:32.11 | stew | Laerti_el: your dns isn't setup correctly, edit /etc/resolv.conf ; man resolv.conf |
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| 20:32.21 | Estes2 | Okay, just a question, if i copy /etc/passwd /etc/groups /etc/shadow to an other computer, it should put the exact users/groups on this computer, right ? |
| 20:32.23 | valdyn | nix: update-alternatives --list x-window-manager |
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| 20:33.43 | kspath | Estes2: define other computer |
| 20:34.21 | kspath | Estes2: there was a time passwords were in plaintext there was a time before shadow there are 2+ methods of password encryption |
| 20:34.28 | donm | can someone tell me how to install my ATI VGA or what to read |
| 20:34.29 | Estes2 | kspath, the one on which i copy those files ( those files beeing files from the computer i want to reproduce users and groups from) |
| 20:34.41 | rredd4_ | Can I install Lilo with the minimal bootable CD? |
| 20:34.46 | donm | google does not know |
| 20:34.53 | Estes2 | hum |
| 20:34.56 | hueh | donm: does it not work with the generic xfree ati adapter? |
| 20:35.02 | Gnea | rredd4_: sure |
| 20:35.05 | kspath | Estes2: both recent debian installs? |
| 20:35.05 | hueh | rredd4_: yes |
| 20:35.09 | Estes2 | kspath, what should i copy then to be sure to have everything ? |
| 20:35.13 | donm | i dont know... |
| 20:35.21 | Estes2 | kspath, yes same ones, all sarge |
| 20:35.22 | donm | i am in 60hz now |
| 20:35.28 | rredd4_ | what do i type at the boot prompt? |
| 20:35.31 | donm | eyes hurt |
| 20:35.33 | kspath | Estes2: ok go with that |
| 20:35.38 | rredd4_ | to install lilo |
| 20:35.50 | Gnea | lilo |
| 20:35.50 | Estes2 | kspath, nothing to restart (I think about pam..) |
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| 20:36.06 | Estes2 | ? |
| 20:36.08 | kspath | Estes2: I do not think I would do it that way but you can deal with it |
| 20:36.09 | Gnea | rredd4_: lilo -v -v will tell you a bit more though |
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| 20:36.16 | hueh | rredd4_: rescue root=/dev/hd?n <- subst ? for the letter (prob a) and n for the partition where linux is |
| 20:36.19 | donm | i didnt install all the packages |
| 20:36.30 | kspath | Estes2: I have not done something like that since PAM or maybe I did once years ago |
| 20:36.30 | Laerti_el | stew but i dont want to go there for the newest packages |
| 20:36.33 | Estes2 | kspath, which way would you use ? |
| 20:36.40 | rredd4_ | k.. ty!!!!!! |
| 20:36.51 | donm | because my frient told me to... |
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| 20:37.05 | hueh | donm: does X work now? |
| 20:37.05 | stew | Laerti_el: you don't want security updates? |
| 20:37.10 | donm | yes |
| 20:37.17 | donm | i am using Gnome |
| 20:37.24 | kspath | Estes2: if it is only a few admins add them and replace their pass words |
| 20:37.29 | Laerti_el | stew no |
| 20:37.48 | Estes2 | kspath, it's a bunch of users... on 27 servers.... |
| 20:37.51 | Laerti_el | i want only to install tha operatin system and to use it |
| 20:37.54 | stew | Laerti_el: why wouldn't you want security updates? |
| 20:38.06 | Laerti_el | stew i want only to install tha operatin system and to use it |
| 20:38.08 | donm | i have installed xlibs-dev |
| 20:38.23 | donm | are ati drivers inside.... |
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| 20:38.37 | donm | ? |
| 20:38.41 | kspath | Estes2: well since I can not answer PAM part I would say just do it on a machine that is unimportant and test befoer a reboot and after a reboot and make sure you are on site or have console access remotely |
| 20:38.59 | SJr|Tecra | When attempting to upgrade exim to exim4 |
| 20:39.03 | SJr|Tecra | I get the following from apt |
| 20:39.03 | SJr|Tecra | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 20:39.04 | SJr|Tecra | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.04 | SJr|Tecra | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? |
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| 20:39.04 | stew | Laerti_el: edit /etc/apt/sources.list ; however i must say it is a very bad idea to net get the security updates. i don't know why you would not want security updates |
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| 20:39.11 | SJr|Tecra | How can I fix that |
| 20:39.20 | Estes2 | kspath, humm, will do this way. |
| 20:39.24 | Estes2 | kspath, thanks |
| 20:39.35 | encoded | how is debian compiled? |
| 20:39.36 | hueh | donm: sometimes(!) - it depends on the exact version of the card and which version of X |
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| 20:39.49 | Laerti_el | i will do it after installation for now i need only the graphic mode of the operating system |
| 20:40.00 | donm | my card is 9550 Gigabyte |
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| 20:40.23 | donm | for the x version i dont know... |
| 20:40.29 | stew | Laerti_el: run tasksel, and select desktop |
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| 20:40.47 | donm | i have installed it today from the ftp.... maybe it is latest |
| 20:41.02 | Laerti_el | stew NOW im in that phase where the system is asking me INSTALL the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk what is needed to do |
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| 20:41.06 | donm | from the us ftp |
| 20:41.13 | Laerti_el | yes or no? |
| 20:41.24 | stew | Laerti_el: yes |
| 20:41.30 | hueh | donm: unless you _really_ want to install the ati drivers - you may be as well to stick with the native driver. Have a look at /var/log/XFree86.log - and read the bit where it identifies your card. |
| 20:42.17 | donm | ok ... 10x... i will hunt this log down |
| 20:42.20 | hueh | s/native/supplied by Debian |
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| 20:44.08 | donm | i cant find such file |
| 20:44.26 | Laerti_el | stew now its ejected the cd and after restart is "starting MTA" |
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| 20:44.49 | stew | Laerti_el: starting MTA will take a long time becuase your DNS is broken |
| 20:45.15 | Laerti_el | no it is passed now |
| 20:45.36 | Laerti_el | NOW IM in DEBIAN base system configuration |
| 20:45.55 | VictorJ | Does anyone know an apt source for recent kernels and iptables for Sarge? |
| 20:46.05 | hueh | donm: my advice would be to make a copy of your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and try doing "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and try upping the frequency to save your eyes! |
| 20:46.31 | Laerti_el | stew now im putting the password right??? |
| 20:46.43 | stew | how would i know? |
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| 20:47.07 | Laerti_el | hahahaha |
| 20:47.58 | donm | damn i forgot to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:48.11 | Laerti_el | stew now after that is APT CONFIGURATION --- archive access method for apt??? |
| 20:48.23 | donm | ok 10 x a lot man |
| 20:48.30 | Laerti_el | it is needed to select the cd rom |
| 20:48.31 | Laerti_el | ?? |
| 20:48.31 | foo | I am in debian sarge with fluxbox and I get this grey background with big black X .... no idea what it is. Guys in #fluxbox don't know either. What the heck is it? How can I disable it? Some kind of built in screen screen saver to XFree? Doub tit. |
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| 20:49.08 | mohadib | can anyone suggest a pdf editor? |
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| 20:49.36 | kspath | foo: maybe switch to openbox and the big black X will go away? |
| 20:49.44 | Insanity909 | Busy here |
| 20:50.07 | Laerti_el | <stew> now after that is APT CONFIGURATION --- archive access method for apt??? it is needed to select the cd rom |
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| 20:50.11 | karsten | mohadib: Your best bet is to edit sources and rebuild the PDF. There's some layering of stuff which can be done but it's primitive. PDF is a presentation, not an editing, format. |
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| 20:50.25 | hueh | VictorJ: I normally "lynx http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/k/" and download a later kernel-source-2.6.*.deb and "dpkg -i" it and build from that. I'm using 2.6.11 at the moment - d/l in this way as my hardware was not supported on earlier. |
| 20:50.28 | foo | kspath: You think openbox is lighter and quicker than fluxbox? |
| 20:50.55 | kspath | foo: well mostly but try it you can switch back get obconf also |
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| 20:51.09 | stew | Laerti_el: are you going to install packages from the net or from the cd? |
| 20:51.22 | kspath | foo: aterm and wterm are light terms good for general purpose |
| 20:51.24 | Laerti_el | CD |
| 20:51.31 | foo | kspath: quicker than xterm? |
| 20:51.33 | stew | Laerti_el: then select cdrom... |
| 20:51.41 | mohadib | karsten: thanks |
| 20:51.41 | foo | kspath: hmm, I'll look into those. thanks. |
| 20:51.43 | kspath | foo: sometimes quicker yes |
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| 20:52.24 | donm | i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ... nothing happens... strange |
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| 20:52.41 | kspath | foo: best part is you can switch between fluxbox and openbox if your mood changes you are not locked in or anything |
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| 20:52.51 | stew | ~xmd5 |
| 20:53.05 | stew | ~x md5sum |
| 20:53.17 | stew | donm: read this: http://dpkg.vireo.org/x+md5sum |
| 20:53.18 | kspath | foo: check out rox-filer should work well with fluxbox also |
| 20:53.26 | Laerti_el | stew now it is appearin again connecting to security. debian.org how can i ignore that |
| 20:53.33 | stew | Laerti_el: man sources.list |
| 20:53.39 | foo | kspath: What does rox-filter do? |
| 20:53.44 | Laerti_el | ?????? |
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| 20:53.56 | kspath | foo: can be desktop for icon and or file manager |
| 20:54.10 | foo | sj |
| 20:54.11 | foo | ah * |
| 20:54.18 | SJr|Tecra | ? |
| 20:54.28 | kspath | foo: read about it worth knowing it exists even if you do not like it |
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| 20:55.15 | shad0w1e | anyone here familiar with AMR Modems? |
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| 20:55.22 | karsten | foo: ... it filters rox? |
| 20:55.23 | kspath | foo: rox-filer desktop for background and icons sorry and file manager |
| 20:55.46 | Laerti_el | stew what is MTA?? |
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| 20:56.07 | foo | karsten: And what is rox? Heh |
| 20:56.13 | stew | Laerti_el: Mail Transfer Agent, an email server |
| 20:56.16 | deadcat | !mta |
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| 20:56.18 | kspath | foo: o sorry added t it is rox-filer likely subconcious mixing ideas and thoughts in my head |
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| 20:56.36 | aargh | hello, i'm trying to build a package and am having problems, does anyone here have experience building deb packages? |
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| 20:56.48 | stew | aargh: have you read the new maintainer guide? |
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| 20:57.01 | aargh | stew: yeah but have a question in that |
| 20:57.04 | stew | aargh: if you have a specific question, ask it |
| 20:57.28 | foo | kspath: Any idea if there is a way to switch between virtual desktops via keyboard? What the shorcut is... |
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| 20:57.39 | aargh | stew: when you run dh_make -e email -f ../xyz.tar.gz it creates a bunch of files under debian/ |
| 20:57.49 | aargh | my question is that can you use the rules file directly |
| 20:57.50 | kspath | foo: you mean workspaces? |
| 20:57.52 | hueh | aargh: or this (if you want quick and dirty): http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html |
| 20:58.19 | Laerti_el | stew plaese how can i install this f...... opearating system |
| 20:58.30 | foo | kspath: hm, my bad. Virtual desktops was KDE. heh |
| 20:58.33 | donm | i have installed a mutant Linux ... there is no such files or dirs |
| 20:58.37 | aargh | hueh: thanks, i'll take a look at it |
| 20:58.39 | Laerti_el | everytime appear to me concting in that \f site |
| 20:59.04 | stew | aargh: i'm not sure what you mean, debian/rules is just a makefile and should be executable |
| 20:59.12 | user_ | hrm... wth, my sound just died, all sound utils are complaining they can't open alsa socket... an yet there is noone accessing /dev/dsp.... |
| 20:59.35 | aargh | stew: when i run dpkg-buildpackage -rfrakeroot, i get an error during compile, if i was to just do ./configure, make, make install the program compiles fine |
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| 20:59.54 | stew | Laerti_el: are you not connected to the internet? ; you can remove security.debian.org from /etc/apt/sources.list but this is a bad idea |
| 21:00.20 | donm | and this is strange (To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root) |
| 21:00.37 | stew | aargh: can you show us the error along with the rules file? |
| 21:00.40 | user_ | and, restarting alsa-utils doesn't help... |
| 21:00.43 | Hue|Pub | aargh: do you want to be a debian developer - or just want to build a debian pkg - have you tried checkinstall ? |
| 21:01.06 | aargh | Hue|Pub: i wanna be a package maintainer for this package, gwyddion: www.gwyddion.net |
| 21:01.09 | Laerti_el | stew i dot need that but i dont know how to remove it because is the first time that i install it from the format so this dont give me the opportunity to write in any place she do it automatically |
| 21:01.18 | donm | copy move edit read write.... whta? |
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| 21:01.26 | stew | Laerti_el: hit alt-f2, and change it there |
| 21:01.27 | aargh | stew: i'll upload the relevant thing and send you the link in a bit |
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| 21:01.32 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 21:02.01 | Laerti_el | stew and then |
| 21:02.03 | pawdro | ive upgraded xorg to 6.9 and statx give error: X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (no such file or directory), aborting. xinit: server error |
| 21:02.03 | Hue|Pub | aargh: looks cool - good luck! |
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| 21:02.08 | pawdro | how to solve it ? |
| 21:02.16 | Laerti_el | stew what is needed to write |
| 21:02.19 | Laerti_el | stew what is needed to write? |
| 21:02.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | i saw the azureus pack here: http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/azureus, but when i do apt-cache search it returns with nothing, why is that? |
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| 21:02.33 | meyerbeer | holaaa |
| 21:02.35 | bpuzon | pawdro find/create the right dir :-) |
| 21:02.44 | DJ-Marcuzz | and i have that with more packs |
| 21:02.47 | stew | Laerti_el: pico /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:02.53 | Insanity909 | hello |
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| 21:03.07 | pawdro | bpuzon: but i dont know what's /etc/X11/X |
| 21:03.29 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz: what section is it in? main, contrib, non-free? |
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| 21:03.42 | aargh | Hue|Pub: thanks |
| 21:03.44 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz: maybe you don't have one of those in you /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:03.45 | Laerti_el | stew pico - not found |
| 21:03.53 | bpuzon | pawdro it's |
| 21:03.56 | stew | Laerti_el: vi /etc/apt/sources.list then |
| 21:04.03 | stew | err |
| 21:04.03 | aargh | Laerti_el: try nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:04.07 | bpuzon | pawdro a symlink to the actual x server |
| 21:04.08 | stew | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:04.10 | stew | brainfart |
| 21:04.15 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz: you're going to need java-package too |
| 21:04.15 | DJ-Marcuzz | well what to add, becaus i alraidy canged all the main things to testing, but still nothing :S |
| 21:04.32 | pawdro | bpuzon but i dont know what to do to make it work |
| 21:04.41 | Laerti_el | stew ok now i have a window opened |
| 21:04.48 | bpuzon | pa |
| 21:04.53 | aargh | stew: here is the output and rules file, http://soundgarden.optics.arizona.edu/~rgrover/ |
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| 21:05.10 | bpuzon | pawdro what do you have in your /usr/X11R6/bin? |
| 21:05.39 | pawdro | u mean which files? |
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| 21:06.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | does one of yoou wanna share some lises out of his sources.list, who can download the azereus and java pack and such? |
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| 21:06.17 | Harley^ | howdy |
| 21:06.17 | Laerti_el | aargh ok i have a window opened |
| 21:06.19 | bpuzon | pawdro yes... the ones that starts with "x" |
| 21:06.24 | bpuzon | msg it to me |
| 21:06.35 | Laerti_el | stew ok i have a window opened |
| 21:06.37 | aargh | Laerti_el: i'm not very familiar with your problem |
| 21:06.45 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz: it's in contrib, add contrib after main in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:06.45 | meyerbeer | does anybody know a debian repository which provides sun's java 5 ? |
| 21:06.47 | aargh | Laerti_el: maybe you wanna tell me what you wanna do |
| 21:06.47 | Laerti_el | ok sorry |
| 21:06.50 | Laerti_el | stew ok i have a window opened |
| 21:07.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | make a new line or what? |
| 21:07.04 | aargh | Laerti_el: it won't help to ask the same question repeatedly |
| 21:07.14 | Laerti_el | aargh i want to install the f...... debian os |
| 21:07.18 | stew | aargh: i don't see an error in that log |
| 21:07.28 | karsten | ~tell DJ-Marcuzz about java |
| 21:07.33 | Laerti_el | stew ok i have a window opened |
| 21:07.34 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz: where you have deb ftp.blah.blah you should have "main" add "contrib" after that |
| 21:07.48 | stew | Laerti_el: delete the line with security.debian.org, save and quit; run apt-get update |
| 21:07.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | deb ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib |
| 21:07.53 | DJ-Marcuzz | like that? |
| 21:07.58 | stew | Laerti_el: then you shoudl be hit alt-f1 and continue |
| 21:08.05 | Insanity909 | how do I change the default window manager using vncserver? |
| 21:08.06 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz: yep and apt-get update |
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| 21:08.15 | fivesix | hi there --- anybody here with QOS experience ? |
| 21:08.24 | aargh | stew: oh sorry, holdon |
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| 21:08.29 | stew | fivesix: if you have a specific question, ask it |
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| 21:08.32 | Laerti_el | stew the window is empty theres nothing there |
| 21:08.37 | pawdro | b[uzon: ive got that problem on the another computer |
| 21:08.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | oki thx |
| 21:08.57 | pawdro | bpuzon: so its hard to write about 30 files |
| 21:08.57 | Fluten | is reiser4 stable enough to be used without problems, or is ext3 the best choice? |
| 21:09.00 | pawdro | rewrite |
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| 21:09.09 | aargh | Laerti_el: try adding this to /etc/apt/sources.list, deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 21:09.09 | karsten | Insanity909: same way you would for X in general, or via your vncserver startup/config files. |
| 21:09.09 | Insanity909 | I have problems changing the default window manager |
| 21:09.15 | moshii | Fluten: xfs is the best choice ;) |
| 21:09.18 | aargh | Laerti_el: then run apt-get update, and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:09.25 | stew | Laerti_el: no don't listen to aargh |
| 21:09.28 | Fluten | moshii, why xfs? |
| 21:09.32 | stew | aargh: are you nuts! |
| 21:09.36 | moshii | Fluten: unless you want to resize filesystems |
| 21:09.40 | aargh | stew: whaaa |
| 21:09.46 | stew | aargh: why on earth do would you think that he shoudl be running unstable? |
| 21:09.46 | bpuzon | pawdro any "xfree"something or "xorg"something? |
| 21:09.53 | aargh | stew: i run unstable |
| 21:09.59 | Laerti_el | stew im with you |
| 21:10.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | ow and is there a program for debian like that up2date i have seen on fedora, that alerts you when there are program updates? |
| 21:10.04 | aargh | stew: well, then change it to stable |
| 21:10.05 | moshii | Fluten: it's stable, and if it goes really wrong the devs are helpful sorting you fs out |
| 21:10.14 | karsten | DJ-Marcuzz: aptitude. |
| 21:10.14 | aargh | sorry, Laerti_el then change it stable or testing |
| 21:10.19 | stew | aargh: do not, ever, recomment unstable to people in here |
| 21:10.25 | Insanity909 | karsten: well, it seems that there should be a xstartup file |
| 21:10.28 | karsten | DJ-Marcuzz: There are *always* updates for Debian ;-) |
| 21:10.33 | aargh | stew: umm.. okay, i wasn't aware of that.. is there a specific reason? |
| 21:10.36 | DJ-Marcuzz | i know :P |
| 21:10.39 | DJ-Marcuzz | thx |
| 21:10.39 | stew | aargh: esp. people who can't even figure out how to read a manpage or start an editor |
| 21:10.39 | Yawgmoth | Hello. I am trying to install something via apt-get. It is complaining: E: Unmet dependencies - it complains about something _not in any way_ related to whatI want to install. |
| 21:10.42 | moshii | Fluten: helpful in sorting your fs out ... |
| 21:10.50 | aargh | stew: aah okay, i'm with you there |
| 21:10.54 | Insanity909 | wait iĺl search it |
| 21:10.57 | Yawgmoth | What can I do that it _forever_ forgets about that package that has unment dependencies? |
| 21:11.00 | stew | Laerti_el: quit the editor, hit alt-f1 and you have to finish the apt-setup process |
| 21:11.02 | fivesix | stew do you see any error here : http://pastebin.com/484593 |
| 21:11.02 | pawdro | bouzon ive got xorgconfig xorgcfg |
| 21:11.10 | Laerti_el | ok |
| 21:11.14 | moshii | Yawgmoth: do and apt-get -f install |
| 21:11.16 | zinx | Yawgmoth: meet the dependencies. |
| 21:11.22 | moshii | Yawgmoth: *an |
| 21:11.24 | Harley^ | As some of you might know, I am visually impaired. I have got a new Linux box with an even larger monitor. I use sound cues. When I installed the new box, everything seemed to work smoothly during the installation. However when I booted the system up all the ALSA drivers that had worked on the other machine do not work now. My friend is here to read and type for me. He says the message pops up that says, "No volume control elements and/or devices found.". Is the |
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| 21:11.40 | karsten | ~tell Yawgmoth about paster |
| 21:11.46 | Laerti_el | stew it is needed to install the ain base system |
| 21:11.47 | Laerti_el | ? |
| 21:11.51 | karsten | Yawgmoth: ... post the output to the paste channel. |
| 21:11.51 | DJ-Marcuzz | well if ther is always updates, how about this?: cron-apt - automatic update of packages using apt-get |
| 21:11.56 | Fluten | ive learned the hard way not to use ext2, it got damaged after a power outage |
| 21:12.06 | stew | Laerti_el: yes |
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| 21:12.19 | bpuzon | pawdro locate xorg |
| 21:12.31 | Yawgmoth | karsten: So I will paste everything in #flood? |
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| 21:12.35 | karsten | Yawgmoth: http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 21:12.38 | Yawgmoth | Okay. |
| 21:12.45 | destr0__ | how can I copy all the hidden directories in one directory to another without copying . and .. |
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| 21:13.01 | moshii | Fluten: give xfs a try ;) don't use grub from debian-installer though |
| 21:13.05 | pawdro | bpuzon you mean whereis xorg? |
| 21:13.08 | bpuzon | pawdro It is said, that /etc/X11/X is a link to thez server, so we need to find the xserver first |
| 21:13.18 | Insanity909 | karsten: I found a startup file @ /etc/vnc.conf |
| 21:13.18 | bpuzon | pawdro yep |
| 21:13.24 | karsten | DJ-Marcuzz: What I (and a lot of folks) do is run an 'aptitude update; aptitude -du dist-upgrade', but wait until we're actually present to do the installation. |
| 21:13.26 | destr0__ | and without doing it one by one, everytime I try to wildcard it, it tries to copy stuff in the parent directory too |
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| 21:13.31 | Insanity909 | is that the file you mentioned? |
| 21:13.32 | karsten | Insanity909: Yep. You want to get cozy with that. |
| 21:13.43 | Yawgmoth | karsten: Choose #debian, is that alright? |
| 21:13.49 | Insanity909 | ok, I'll try that one |
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| 21:14.21 | aargh | stew: the same url, has a new file called make_errors, please check it when you get the time, http://soundgarden.optics.arizona.edu/~rgrover/ |
| 21:14.31 | Fluten | moshii, does xfs has better performance than ext3? |
| 21:14.47 | vulture | Harley^: I'm not sure I can help, but I'll respond which is something: you could try "lspci" to see what sound device you have (if you don't already know) then load the correct driver with modprobe snd-xxxx |
| 21:15.11 | Yawgmoth | I mean, thats tons of stuff to paste. |
| 21:15.13 | vulture | Harley^: if it's not obvious which driver is the one for your device, see if google mentions anything about your hardware + alsa |
| 21:15.22 | Yawgmoth | I wish my webserver would work as I'd like to expect it from it. =\ |
| 21:15.25 | karsten | Yawgmoth: Sure. |
| 21:15.30 | Yawgmoth | Okay. |
| 21:15.31 | karsten | Insanity909: ... and man Xvnc as well. |
| 21:15.46 | karsten | Yawgmoth: Doesn't really matter, just post the URL at the end. |
| 21:15.51 | Insanity909 | thanx |
| 21:15.51 | Harley^ | Does Harley^ type it or do I ? |
| 21:16.01 | bpuzon | pawdro If locate says you;ve got no xorg, try find, but that can last some time |
| 21:16.15 | Harley^ | Its ok, he told me |
| 21:16.28 | stew | aargh: but you are saying the just ./configure works? what if you edit the rules file so that the config.stamp target just runs ./configure? |
| 21:16.54 | aargh | stew: okay |
| 21:17.04 | Laerti_el | stew the main base system is installed and the computer its restarting |
| 21:17.17 | pawdro | nothing has found whereis xorg |
| 21:17.22 | stew | Laerti_el: why is the computer restarting? it shouldn't |
| 21:17.28 | moshii | Fluten: not sure, it doesn't lose data all the time though |
| 21:17.40 | Yawgmoth | karsten: I did - where does it go now? |
| 21:17.43 | Harley^ | 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 05) and then 0000:00:0c.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 05) |
| 21:17.43 | Laerti_el | no wait installing the grub boot |
| 21:17.51 | pawdro | after xorgconfig |
| 21:17.54 | karsten | Yawgmoth: Hit submit and give me the URL. |
| 21:17.54 | pawdro | the same problem |
| 21:17.57 | Yawgmoth | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1418 |
| 21:18.05 | Insanity909 | karsten: thanx I got it working! |
| 21:18.08 | Yawgmoth | Well.. I guess this is it. =\ |
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| 21:18.19 | Laerti_el | stew now if i press continue the PC will restart |
| 21:18.33 | vulture | Harley^: You could perhaps try: modprobe snd_emu10k1 |
| 21:18.33 | bpuzon | pawdro so where are your xsever? |
| 21:18.44 | pawdro | i dont know |
| 21:18.49 | Laerti_el | stew should i press it |
| 21:18.57 | pawdro | i installed everything form apt |
| 21:19.12 | bpuzon | pawdro oh! that's good |
| 21:19.27 | bpuzon | pawdro what's the name of the packet? xorg? |
| 21:19.28 | Yawgmoth | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1418 <- So anyone has an idea about it? At the moment I am stuffing around with wine, so I am not up to long things. Tell me its going to take a while and Ill get that stuff from source. |
| 21:19.39 | stew | Laerti_el: i have no idea why you are repeating the grub install, you told me you had already done that and rebooted |
| 21:19.49 | bpuzon | pawdro the packet you've upgraded |
| 21:19.53 | Laerti_el | stew i formated it again |
| 21:19.54 | fivesix | anybody knowing the use of prio root qdisc ? |
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| 21:20.22 | Harley^ | vulture, He said that lsmod said it all the snd snd_emu10K1 and snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_hwdep |
| 21:20.31 | pawdro | bpuzon ive done apt-get upgrade |
| 21:20.36 | Harley^ | are loaded. |
| 21:20.43 | pawdro | and it apdated all zorg |
| 21:20.48 | pawdro | updated |
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| 21:21.23 | intx | how do i flush ip_conntrack? |
| 21:21.39 | vulture | Harley^: odd. Tried any simple sound software? mpg321 or something, to see if there's a more informative error? |
| 21:21.41 | bpuzon | pawdro dpkg -l | grep xorg |
| 21:21.45 | Yawgmoth | Well, if anyone has an idea, query me. Im going to continue with my wine stuff. |
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| 21:22.24 | bpuzon | pawdro If thth fails, I'll check where it should be on my laptop :-) |
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| 21:22.30 | Laerti_el | stew now she want to login |
| 21:22.37 | kombi | why would a box (mine) crash after this log entry: CMD (run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) |
| 21:22.40 | kombi | ? |
| 21:22.45 | aargh | stew: is there a good explanation for what the rules file does anywhere |
| 21:22.45 | Harley^ | vulture, on his other system there was a volume control on the lower panel. This one doesn't have that control |
| 21:22.49 | abrotman | one of your cron tasks sucks |
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| 21:22.55 | abrotman | stew: you have earned you beer tonight :) |
| 21:22.57 | stew | aargh: its just a makefile |
| 21:23.01 | Laerti_el | stew im in what is needed to do to go in graphic mode???? |
| 21:23.09 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | hello, i had a crash, can i have that java stuff again? |
| 21:23.13 | stew | abrotman: tonight is going to be wine and gin, lots of beer last night though |
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| 21:23.20 | stew | Laerti_el: run tasksel, select desktop |
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| 21:23.20 | kombi | abrotman: there is only the php4 session clean up in cron.d, cron.hourly is empty.. |
| 21:23.27 | aargh | Laerti_el: did your computer bootup and could you login? |
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| 21:23.31 | pawdro | bpuzon it found: ic xserver-xorg 6.8.2 |
| 21:23.35 | PSIplus | hi |
| 21:23.47 | abrotman | kombi: maybe it's just a coincidence ? |
| 21:23.55 | PSIplus | where can i donwnload the kernel config from the debian installer? |
| 21:23.57 | Laerti_el | styew sptitude failed |
| 21:23.59 | bpuzon | pawdro dpkg-query -L xserver-xorg |
| 21:24.03 | Laerti_el | stew sptitude failed |
| 21:24.04 | vulture | Harley^: That doesn't quite answer the question. I'm just wondering if you might have a sound device, but just not the correct permissions (the user wanting to play audio needs to be a member of the audio group) - I don't know if the applications you are using would respond differently when there is no audio device (rather than just an inaccessible audio device) |
| 21:24.12 | abrotman | PSIplus: which one .. and after the install .. the config is in /boot/ |
| 21:24.16 | bizkit | Yawgmoth: something related to abiword is b0rked there, use apt-get remove 'abiword-*' && apt-get install libasound2-dev |
| 21:24.20 | stew | Laerti_el: you really should try ubuntu instead of debian |
| 21:24.25 | stew | abrotman: happy friday |
| 21:24.38 | Laerti_el | stew what is ubuntu |
| 21:24.39 | Laerti_el | ??? |
| 21:24.40 | kombi | abrotman: possible.. but it's the very last entry in syslog before that machine crashed.. |
| 21:24.44 | abrotman | stew: not really .. my mom is freaking out .. i may have to fly to maine .. drive to WI .. fly back to philly |
| 21:25.01 | aargh | Laerti_el: yeah, ubuntu would be better for you |
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| 21:25.02 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i think PSIplus wants the config that the kernel used on the install cd was build with |
| 21:25.04 | PSIplus | abrotman: the wo one of the installer.. |
| 21:25.09 | PSIplus | jep |
| 21:25.16 | abrotman | PSIplus: there are two |
| 21:25.25 | aargh | Laerti_el: its a debian based distribution of linux, most beginners find it easier to work with |
| 21:25.26 | pawdro | bpuzon /etc/init.d/xsever-xorg |
| 21:25.36 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: then i guess he should ask #boot |
| 21:25.39 | abrotman | err #debian-boot |
| 21:25.46 | abrotman | dpkg: wake up |
| 21:25.48 | PSIplus | abrotman: linux26 i386 |
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| 21:25.58 | raf256 | how well is debia64 nowadays? |
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| 21:26.08 | abrotman | raf256: which 64bit debian ? |
| 21:26.12 | raf256 | which important programs do not work or are hard to use |
| 21:26.16 | bpuzon | pawdro so lets try ln -s /etc/X11/X /etc/init.t/xserver-xorg |
| 21:26.19 | Harley^ | vulture, OK. Should he use apt-get to get mpg123 or should he use play to try to play a sound he said is in the share sound directory ? |
| 21:26.21 | raf256 | abrotman: I would like to use debian 64 testing I suppose |
| 21:26.25 | abrotman | raf256: which 64bit debian ? |
| 21:26.28 | stew | Laerti_el: ubuntu.com |
| 21:26.35 | abrotman | ubuntulinux.com ? |
| 21:26.37 | raf256 | abrotman: testing |
| 21:26.40 | abrotman | raf256: which 64bit debian ? |
| 21:26.50 | _rene_ | raf256: that still doesn't answer any of his questions |
| 21:26.51 | abrotman | raf256: you do realize that there is more than one 64bit debian right? |
| 21:26.57 | _rene_ | 64 bit != 64 bit != 64 bit |
| 21:27.00 | raf256 | ah |
| 21:27.01 | vulture | Harley^: that would be worth a try, I think. Hopefully it produces an error saying that the device cannot be accessed. In which case it's just a matter of adding your user to the audio group |
| 21:27.02 | raf256 | amd64 |
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| 21:27.06 | abrotman | raf256: sparc64 ppc64 .. amd64 .. itanium .. alpha .. |
| 21:27.10 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | could soneone give me the java info again? |
| 21:27.12 | _rene_ | alpha != ia64 != amd64 != ppc64 != ... |
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| 21:27.22 | abrotman | raf256: #debian-amd64 .. last i knew .. flash and OO.o still didn't work |
| 21:27.23 | SerajewelKS | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: what "java info" |
| 21:27.25 | albo | is there a command to kill all procs that match a string (yes i already wrote one, but im getting tired of moving it) |
| 21:27.32 | Yawgmoth | bizkit: No matter how I use remove - with -f, without, with abiword attached, it doesnt do anything else than erroring similarly to do stuff like that with install. |
| 21:27.32 | raf256 | fuck flash |
| 21:27.33 | bbrazil | albo: pkill |
| 21:27.33 | Laerti_el | stew look i have someone in germany and he told me that i need the debian 3.1 because he has a program for debian 3.1 (TElefone PRogram) and this program can control the phone line (open-close the line) |
| 21:27.36 | raf256 | OO.o is quite needed |
| 21:27.36 | raf256 | ok |
| 21:27.39 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | well what to get tp use azureus |
| 21:27.39 | _rene_ | OOo does work - when you use the 32 bit libs. or a chroot |
| 21:27.42 | Yawgmoth | I get the feeling my apt is b0rked ;p |
| 21:27.45 | abrotman | raf256: you asked .. ask #debian-boot for more clarification |
| 21:27.48 | abrotman | err fuck me |
| 21:27.52 | abrotman | i mean #debian-amd64 |
| 21:27.52 | asuffield | albo: there's four or five |
| 21:27.53 | _rene_ | native - no. and still it's far from working |
| 21:27.56 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | i get:The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:27.56 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.56 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.04 | bpuzon | pawdro wait |
| 21:28.05 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | when using apt-get |
| 21:28.12 | _rene_ | then, err, install it? |
| 21:28.21 | Harley^ | sox: Failed writing /dev/dsp: Unable to reset OSS driver. Possibly accessing an invalid file/device |
| 21:28.27 | _rene_ | get suns jdk, make a package, install it, then azureus |
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| 21:28.28 | Laerti_el | stew look i have someone in germany and he told me that i need the debian 3.1 because he has a program for debian 3.1 (TElefone PRogram) and this program can control the phone line (open-close the line) |
| 21:28.36 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: you have to build it yourself with java-package |
| 21:28.38 | _rene_ | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: and you want to read what "contrib" is for |
| 21:28.38 | aargh | Laerti_el: did your computer bootup successfully and could you login? |
| 21:28.40 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!!! |
| 21:28.48 | SerajewelKS | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: install java-package, download the .bin of the JRE you want from sun.java.org, `fakeroot make-jpkg j2re-*.bin` then `dpkg -i sun-.*.deb` as root |
| 21:28.52 | Laerti_el | aargh yes |
| 21:28.54 | meyerbeer | is it possible to install openoffice with apt-get but without all those kafe java stuff? |
| 21:28.55 | bpuzon | pawdro ln -s /usr/bin/X11/Xorg /etc/X11/X |
| 21:29.01 | thingfish | is it sundown already? |
| 21:29.08 | thc | !thingfish |
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| 21:29.12 | thc | wtf |
| 21:29.18 | bizkit | Yawgmoth: use apt-get remove 'abiword-*' && apt-get -f install && apt-get install libasound2-dev |
| 21:29.18 | SerajewelKS | meyerbeer: yes, install the JRE that you want to use |
| 21:29.26 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | isn't there a java package on apt-get? |
| 21:29.29 | Harley^ | vulture, He said that in past there was a simple apt-get command to get and install ALSA sound system |
| 21:29.38 | meyerbeer | SerajewelKS: i installed the sun java 5 package manually |
| 21:29.38 | SerajewelKS | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: there is nothing "on apt-get" |
| 21:29.40 | bpuzon | pawdro there is only the init script in /etc/init.d, not the server itself |
| 21:29.43 | aargh | Laerti_el: run apt-get update and then apt-get install x-window-system |
| 21:29.44 | _rene_ | meyerbeer: unfortunately not. because some java libs hardcode kaffe |
| 21:29.49 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | well trough apt-get |
| 21:29.49 | _rene_ | meyerbeer: which imho is a bug but... |
| 21:29.59 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: java-package |
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| 21:30.07 | _rene_ | meyerbeer: if you just apt-get install it it will take java-gcj-compat with it, and gij, and use it |
| 21:30.09 | meyerbeer | _rene_: thats really a bug |
| 21:30.10 | SerajewelKS | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: but no, there is no Sun JRE package in the debian repositories. do what i told you and stop asking. |
| 21:30.22 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | ok ;) |
| 21:30.27 | SerajewelKS | meyerbeer: which version of OOo is this. |
| 21:30.34 | meyerbeer | SerajewelKS: its version 2 |
| 21:30.39 | _rene_ | meyerbeer: and you know "openoffice.org" is just a metapackage? |
| 21:30.47 | karsten | Insanity909: Looks like Perl's misconfigured, BTW. |
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| 21:30.52 | _rene_ | MadClown: and you can just install -writer, etc. seperately<? |
| 21:31.00 | Laerti_el | aargh coulndt find x-window |
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| 21:31.12 | aargh | Laerti_el: is your /etc/apt/sources.list empty? |
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| 21:31.20 | karsten | Insanity909: debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Can't locate strict.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 1) line 2. |
| 21:31.26 | karsten | Insanity909: ... would suggest a problem... |
| 21:31.28 | Laerti_el | aargh yes |
| 21:31.36 | _rene_ | MadClown: it will be fixed in some future when the Java stuff gets a new policy and I can beat people with this stick |
| 21:31.39 | _rene_ | args |
| 21:31.47 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | whats meant by java package, this one?:java-common - Base of all Java packages |
| 21:31.49 | _rene_ | meyerbeer: it will be fixed in some future when the Java stuff gets a new policy and I can beat people with this stick |
| 21:31.51 | vulture | Harley^: If it's just a matter of installing Alsa, then sure: apt-get install alsa-base (or just "alsa") I guess. |
| 21:31.51 | meyerbeer | i think i'm gonna install openoffice seperated from apt-get then |
| 21:32.01 | _rene_ | err? |
| 21:32.05 | SerajewelKS | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: shut up. use java-package. |
| 21:32.06 | Yawgmoth | bizkit: Now its complaining about gnome-office. Something is seriously borked there. :x |
| 21:32.07 | _rene_ | just install the modules you need |
| 21:32.16 | _rene_ | if you don't need -base, don't install -base |
| 21:32.18 | moshii | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: java-package is a program to build java packages |
| 21:32.23 | SerajewelKS | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: apt-get install java-package. if you want to get java, listen. |
| 21:32.30 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | ok |
| 21:32.40 | aargh | Laerti_el: add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list (you have to be root to do this), deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 21:32.43 | _rene_ | in any way, you *do* want that Java stuff. Or some features do not work |
| 21:32.51 | bizkit | Yawgmoth: remove all that crap and when everythings fine again, install package for package |
| 21:32.56 | aargh | Laerti_el: then save the file and run apt-get update |
| 21:33.00 | Laerti_el | aargh why is needed |
| 21:33.01 | thc | Laerti_el: just run "apt-setup" as root. |
| 21:33.06 | _rene_ | and the plain OOo from upstream does contain those libraries in their rpms, duplicating stuff |
| 21:33.07 | pawdro | bpuzon there isn t any Xorg |
| 21:33.10 | pawdro | but X |
| 21:33.19 | _rene_ | not to mention the one from OOo is far less integrated... |
| 21:33.33 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | and sun.java.org doesn't work :S |
| 21:33.39 | SerajewelKS | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: java.sun.com |
| 21:33.45 | beardy | dpkg: there? |
| 21:33.52 | thc | dpkg is napping apparently |
| 21:34.07 | bpuzon | pawdro dpkg-query -L xserver-xorg | grep bin |
| 21:34.07 | aargh | Laerti_el: this is the package repository and you need to specify the address so the package manager (apt) can get the the relevant files from the repository |
| 21:34.13 | _rene_ | meyerbeer: if you don't need -base, don't instal -base. easy. |
| 21:34.17 | SerajewelKS | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: i had a brain fart, sorry |
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| 21:34.37 | bpuzon | pawdro any xorg or something in the listing? |
| 21:34.42 | meyerbeer | _rene_: what do you mean with base? |
| 21:34.57 | _rene_ | read the fucking package description, damnit |
| 21:34.59 | Harley^ | vulture he said that the /dev/dspW device is crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 5 2005-12-30 10:34 /dev/dspW to answer your permissions question from before, and dsp is a link to dspW |
| 21:35.03 | Laerti_el | aargh look i dont have a internet connection so it cant go in thaT F..... ftp |
| 21:35.11 | _rene_ | openoffice.org is just a metapackage depending on OOos components |
| 21:35.16 | _rene_ | which are split out into own packages |
| 21:35.23 | Laerti_el | THC im trying |
| 21:35.28 | aargh | Laerti_el: well how in the world do you expect to install anything if you can't get access to it? |
| 21:35.28 | _rene_ | -base (the database component), -writer, -calc, etc |
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| 21:35.49 | _rene_ | -base (and the whole internal db stuff) does need Java. that's why -base depend on it |
| 21:35.49 | Laerti_el | aargh try to understand me |
| 21:35.50 | meyerbeer | _rene_: the thing is im willing to install java, the only thing i dont want is that kaffe gjc crap i want the real java-vm from sun |
| 21:35.50 | thc | Laerti_el: are you trying to install packages from a cd/dvd ? |
| 21:36.04 | Laerti_el | thc yes |
| 21:36.05 | _rene_ | meyerbeer: just ignore it then. |
| 21:36.11 | pawdro | nope |
| 21:36.16 | thc | Laerti_el: run "apt-setup" as root, select cdrom. |
| 21:36.25 | pawdro | ive found out that i havent installed it |
| 21:36.26 | Laerti_el | thc i do it |
| 21:36.34 | _rene_ | meyerbeer: you can use whatever JVM you use... |
| 21:36.34 | pawdro | bpuzon i dont know how |
| 21:36.38 | kombi | what is a good place to trace an unexpected crash? |
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| 21:36.41 | thc | Laerti_el: apt-setup will write you a sources.list file if yours is empty. |
| 21:37.09 | _rene_ | the point is that some libs hardcode kaffe because they only were tested with kaffe. or their maintainer prefers kaffe over gcj. or ... |
| 21:37.16 | bpuzon | pawdro well... apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 21:37.22 | _rene_ | others hardcode gcj etc. |
| 21:37.23 | gnu2it2 | is ithere a IRC channel devoted to debian on sparc ? |
| 21:37.29 | aargh | thc: hmm.. i dont' have any executable called apt-setup |
| 21:37.32 | pawdro | bpuzon doing it |
| 21:37.37 | aargh | thc: not that i care, just wondering |
| 21:37.38 | _rene_ | sun java is non-free anyway and out of discussion. but you of course can use it if you really wish |
| 21:37.39 | Laerti_el | thc after i do it this message appers to me Testing apt sources and trying to connect to security.debian .org |
| 21:37.55 | thc | Laerti_el: are you running testing? |
| 21:38.04 | SerajewelKS | aargh: /usr/sbin/apt-setup ? |
| 21:38.19 | De_Mon | aargh it comes with base-config |
| 21:38.21 | bpuzon | pawdro but... how come dpkg-query worked on a uninstalled packet??? |
| 21:38.22 | SerajewelKS | aargh: it's part of base-config, so if you don't have it then something is pretty borked |
| 21:38.28 | beardy | kombi: The logs, but probably better to think about what you were running, and what might have caused it. Do you have any autopoweroff if the machine becomes to hot, could that be it? Any other hardware that might have caused it? |
| 21:38.29 | _rene_ | not really |
| 21:38.36 | _rene_ | he could have removed base-config after install |
| 21:38.41 | vulture | Harley^: And is your user a member of the audio group? |
| 21:38.42 | _rene_ | why not? |
| 21:38.47 | aargh | SerajewelKS: i'm running unstable and its not with base-config |
| 21:38.49 | _rene_ | you don't need it after install anymore |
| 21:38.54 | vulture | Harley^: (alternatively: can you play sound as root?) |
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| 21:39.01 | aargh | SerajewelKS: either way, my computer is running fine |
| 21:39.09 | Laerti_el | thc i stop it and i do the comm apt-setup and config.dat is locked by another process |
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| 21:39.36 | Blackhold | hello, I've a commodore 64 between my hands, someones remember how does it works? |
| 21:39.48 | thc | Laerti_el: i have never seen that error. kill any processes that don't need to be running. |
| 21:39.50 | bunghole | program in basic |
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| 21:40.01 | Laerti_el | thc how??? |
| 21:40.02 | SerajewelKS | Blackhold: indeed. but you can't install debian on it, so why are you asking here? |
| 21:40.02 | bunghole | you have to boot the machine with a disk |
| 21:40.07 | De_Mon | thc lsof -n +f <thefile> will tell you what's locking it |
| 21:40.11 | Harley^ | vulture - I just added him into the /etc/group for audio and video and retried to. Does he have to restart or relog in to make the sound work now ? |
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| 21:40.14 | bunghole | then basic console should come up, issue commands there |
| 21:40.17 | beardy | gnu2it2: #debian-sparc ? |
| 21:40.17 | bunghole | comm64's were great |
| 21:40.20 | thc | Laerti_el: man kill && man killall |
| 21:40.27 | penguin | The setup printer box came up and I cant get rid of it? |
| 21:40.29 | bpuzon | nsg pawdro czemy? :-) |
| 21:40.32 | De_Mon | Harley^ yes he has to relogin |
| 21:40.36 | SerajewelKS | bunghole: apt-get install vice ;) |
| 21:40.43 | Denn | Isnt there a webpage where i can search through apt-get packages? |
| 21:40.47 | buu | Yes! |
| 21:40.51 | penguin | How do you move a box in gnome when the top part is covered? |
| 21:40.56 | SerajewelKS | Denn: what is an "apt-get package" |
| 21:40.58 | thc | Denn: packages.debian.org |
| 21:40.58 | bunghole | penguin, ? |
| 21:41.04 | beardy | Denn: packages.debian.org |
| 21:41.09 | Blackhold | sean_micken|work, I thought that this could be a good place to find someone that knows how to run it |
| 21:41.11 | SerajewelKS | penguin: hold down alt and drag anywhere in the window |
| 21:41.12 | Denn | thanks |
| 21:41.26 | Laerti_el | thc tell only a command of KILL |
| 21:41.26 | sean_micken|work | Blackhold: huh? |
| 21:41.28 | penguin | THanks |
| 21:41.32 | De_Mon | SerajewelKS a package... available through apt-get... |
| 21:41.37 | pawdro | bpuzon ive just installed xorg and everythings fine |
| 21:41.45 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: those are called debian packages |
| 21:41.45 | penguin | I cant get to the bottome of the box |
| 21:41.49 | gnu2it2 | beardy: yes, i have a sparc ultra5, thiniking of installing debian on it,, will be looking for help, i'm sure |
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| 21:41.55 | Harley^ | vulture, root can not play the sound. When I tried as Harley I get; play /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup_new.wav |
| 21:41.57 | Harley^ | sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp': Permission denied |
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| 21:42.03 | SerajewelKS | Blackhold: it's pretty far off topic |
| 21:42.04 | bpuzon | pawdro that's nice |
| 21:42.12 | thc | Laerti_el: i don't know what to tell you. reboot, login as root, and run apt-setup again. |
| 21:42.19 | aargh | stew: thanks for your help, i'm off |
| 21:42.20 | Blackhold | ;) |
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| 21:42.24 | aargh | Laerti_el: good luck |
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| 21:42.36 | De_Mon | SerajewelKS great, so don't pretend like you didn't know what he was talking about |
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| 21:42.57 | Insanity909 | leaving |
| 21:43.02 | Insanity909 | thanks for the help |
| 21:43.07 | bunghole | Harley^, whatever users you want able to have sound, add them to audio/video groups, and then you have complete log out of the system not just restart X (unless X wasn't started by you). log back in and you should be fine |
| 21:43.10 | penguin | I just hit enter and it printed, but how to get to the print button? |
| 21:43.28 | pawdro | thx for all |
| 21:43.30 | penguin | The bottom of the box is covered by the bottom bar. |
| 21:43.30 | pawdro | bye |
| 21:43.41 | bpuzon | ekg |
| 21:43.49 | bpuzon | sorry :D |
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| 21:44.03 | Harley^ | bunghole, OK. He said he will try that and come back here. |
| 21:44.09 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: i like the phrase "apt-get package" about as much as i like the phrase "my internet". it's horribly incorrect. |
| 21:44.50 | beardy | gnu2it2: Ok, if you need help with sparc specific things, #debian-sparc can probably help you, more general questions you can try asking here. Good luck. |
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| 21:45.32 | penguin | Why i s that incorrect? |
| 21:45.39 | penguin | Sounds good to me. |
| 21:45.50 | staniel | where can I get the dnssec-keygetn package? |
| 21:46.04 | penguin | it is apt-get install package anyway |
| 21:46.11 | Laerti_el | thc |
| 21:47.08 | beardy | gnu2it2: The sparc installguide is here http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/ |
| 21:47.15 | penguin | How to get to the bottom of a box when it is covered by bar on bottom? |
| 21:47.22 | penguin | Using Gnome |
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| 21:47.50 | beardy | penguin: Drag the top down and move it up. |
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| 21:48.34 | penguin | If I drag it all the way to the top, the bottom bar still covers the bottom. |
| 21:48.47 | SerajewelKS | penguin: increase your screen resolution |
| 21:48.55 | penguin | Thats the solution? |
| 21:49.00 | penguin | Thats no good. |
| 21:49.06 | beardy | penguin: Resize it I mean, make the height of the window smaller. |
| 21:49.25 | penguin | No resize button. |
| 21:49.44 | SerajewelKS | penguin: hence the suggestion to increase resolution. or lower the overall font size. |
| 21:49.49 | beardy | penguin: Just place the pointer at the top frame.. |
| 21:50.10 | beardy | penguin: What program is this? |
| 21:50.24 | penguin | setup printer for kseg |
| 21:50.26 | beardy | penguin: top frame/top window border |
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| 21:50.40 | SerajewelKS | when responding to someone on the debian-users list, is there a simple way to tell if the sender is subscribed, so i know if i need to CC them? |
| 21:50.47 | Harley^ | Hi ! We're back. |
| 21:51.03 | penguin | There is just an x in top right corner. |
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| 21:51.33 | penguin | I can drag the box all over the window, but I cant get to bottom of the box. |
| 21:51.35 | beardy | penguin: Drag the cursor over the top frame/border, doesn't it change to a resize cursor? |
| 21:51.46 | _rene_ | SerajewelKS: no. just don't Cc him. his fault is he is not subscribed. if in doubt, and you really want to make sure he gets it when he's not subscribed, Cc him |
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| 21:52.15 | SerajewelKS | _rene_: just checking. i vaguely remember on the etiquette page it says to note if you're not subscribed so people can cc you. |
| 21:52.19 | penguin | no |
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| 21:52.33 | penguin | I think maybe a design flaw with this setup printer box |
| 21:52.35 | beardy | penguin: Use TAB and guess. |
| 21:52.46 | SerajewelKS | penguin: post a screenshot? www.imageshack.us |
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| 21:52.53 | D`Artagnan- | how do i change date and time zone? |
| 21:52.59 | levander | Can someone tell me why when I mount /dev/hda3 on /mnt, then 'chroot /mnt', it is reported that /dev/hdb3 is mounted on '/'? |
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| 21:53.05 | bbrazil | D`Artagnan-: tzconfig |
| 21:53.11 | Harley^ | vulture and bunghole I now see a volume control on his lower panel. It has a small "x" beside it. I set the volume to halfway. Also, I tried the command to play a sound and got; play /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup_new.wav |
| 21:53.12 | Laerti_el | thc ive installed the f.... os system in graphic mode now how can put the ip and the dns |
| 21:53.13 | Harley^ | sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp': Permission denied |
| 21:53.16 | Laerti_el | thc ive installed the f.... os system in graphic mode now how can put the ip and the dns |
| 21:53.19 | ortner | anyone who could help me setup a nameserver to my server? |
| 21:53.23 | beardy | daft: and to set the time, date, date --set, man date |
| 21:53.31 | D`Artagnan- | bbrazil: i have a go on that |
| 21:53.34 | SerajewelKS | levander: because from inside the chroot, that's where it's mounted, no? |
| 21:53.36 | Laerti_el | thc ive installed the f.... os system in graphic mode now how can put the ip and the dns |
| 21:54.00 | levander | SerajewelKS: but it's confusing /dev/hda3 and /dev/hdb3 |
| 21:54.02 | SerajewelKS | Laerti_el: stop spamming |
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| 21:54.17 | SerajewelKS | levander: ah, didn't notice that difference |
| 21:54.51 | levander | SerajewelKS: the chroot command must be doing something internally to figure out what to mount as / |
| 21:54.56 | SerajewelKS | Laerti_el: open a shell, get root, and edit /etc/network/interfaces. man interfaces for help. |
| 21:55.05 | levander | SerajewelKS: I don't know if it's accessing /etc/fstab or what |
| 21:55.08 | SerajewelKS | levander: the chroot command doesn't mount anything |
| 21:55.16 | Harley^ | vulture and bunghole a ls -al of /dev/dsp says No such file or directory. But there is a dspW |
| 21:55.17 | vulture | Harley^: Make sure your user is a member of the audio group. After making group changes remember to logout (completely - back to your graphical login manager if you're using one) and login again. |
| 21:55.26 | SerajewelKS | levander: interesting though... |
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| 21:55.46 | vulture | Harley^: well it's odd that anything would be complaining about permissions if /dev/dsp really isn't there.. |
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| 21:56.25 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | azureus works :D |
| 21:56.32 | SerajewelKS | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: congrats |
| 21:56.34 | Harley^ | vulture - I don't know what to say to that. |
| 21:56.46 | beardy | Harley^: Do you have sound as root? |
| 21:57.12 | vulture | Harley^: have you got yourself into the audio group yet? |
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| 21:57.19 | bunghole | Harley^, "apt-get install alsa && alsaconf" without quotes, and configure it. then do the group adding of users. then apt-get install alsamixergui and then run it in X. then configure your volume levels. |
| 21:57.24 | Laerti_el | can someone help me |
| 21:57.28 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | but when i wanna make an folder on my data array (where im currently downloading to with amule) it sais: mkdir: cannot create directory `torrents': Read-only file system |
| 21:57.29 | bunghole | you have to completely log out of the system |
| 21:57.40 | bunghole | Harley^, restart the system after adding your users to groups |
| 21:57.43 | Laerti_el | thc ive installed the f.... os system in graphic mode now how can put the ip and the dns |
| 21:57.48 | Laerti_el | can someone help me |
| 21:57.54 | Harley^ | Beardy no. There is no sound as root. play /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup_new.wav |
| 21:57.55 | Harley^ | sox: Failed writing /dev/dsp: Unable to reset OSS driver. Possibly accessing an invalid file/device |
| 21:58.11 | beardy | bunghole: That's not good advice.. restarting is absolutely not necessary. |
| 21:58.14 | vulture | bunghole: there's no need to restart the machine. Just logout/in of course. |
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| 21:58.17 | Laerti_el | harley how can i configure the IP and the DNS in debian |
| 21:58.29 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | and ai alraidy did chmod -R 777 on the mount point |
| 21:58.39 | beardy | Laerti_el: Stop it. Ask a better question, and don't direct it to a random person. |
| 21:58.44 | SerajewelKS | Laerti_el: i told you |
| 21:58.46 | magyar | what is the diff between runlevel 2 and runlevel3? |
| 21:58.57 | bunghole | beardy, apparantly the guy can't log out and log back in, i figured least he could do is restart |
| 21:59.10 | Gnea | magyar: zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz |
| 21:59.16 | Laerti_el | how can i configure the ip and the dns in debian 3.1 |
| 21:59.37 | Gnea | ~interfaces |
| 21:59.38 | apt | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man ... |
| 21:59.39 | beardy | magyar: You don't need to care about other runlevels than 2, which is the default. 2 to 5 are the same. |
| 21:59.41 | SerajewelKS | Laerti_el: would you like me to hold your hand too? |
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| 21:59.57 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: heh |
| 21:59.58 | beardy | magyar: Or, why do you want to use another runlevel? |
| 22:00.00 | azimuthal | when i try to install something, and it shows recommended downloads |
| 22:00.03 | azimuthal | is there an easy way to get all those? |
| 22:00.09 | Laerti_el | SerajewelKS what??? |
| 22:00.10 | Laerti_el | yes |
| 22:00.21 | SerajewelKS | Laerti_el: i told you how to do this several pages back |
| 22:00.33 | Gnea | ~tell Laerti_el about interfaces |
| 22:00.34 | SerajewelKS | Laerti_el: if you ask a question, you'd better stick around when people answer it |
| 22:00.39 | SerajewelKS | Laerti_el: *especially* after you spam it |
| 22:00.42 | soymilk | hmm many if not most modern laptops have integrated NICs, so that factoid might not apply |
| 22:00.44 | Laerti_el | sorry |
| 22:00.51 | magyar | beardy, how can i tell which runlevel i am in? |
| 22:00.56 | Laerti_el | tell it again please where is needed to go |
| 22:00.59 | Gnea | Laerti_el: if you spam once more you will be removed. |
| 22:01.12 | SerajewelKS | Laerti_el: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:01.18 | SerajewelKS | Laerti_el: man interfaces for the file format |
| 22:01.28 | beardy | magyar: 'runlevel' |
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| 22:01.35 | beardy | magyar: oddly enough ;) |
| 22:01.42 | SerajewelKS | Laerti_el: then refresh the interface, e.g. for eth0: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 22:01.46 | azimuthal | there's no easy way to get recommended packages in addition to dependencies? |
| 22:01.46 | mfrisch | Is a geoforce a supported video card?? |
| 22:01.53 | Harley^ | bunghole and vulture I did a ls -al dsp* in the /dev directory. There is a dspW but there is no dsp device. Does one have to be created ? |
| 22:02.01 | SerajewelKS | mfrisch: afaik, geoforce isn't a video card |
| 22:02.05 | phogg | mfrisch: supported by what? |
| 22:02.08 | mo1991 | is there a linux program / addon to gaim that will allow me to see the person I'm chatting with's IP? |
| 22:02.09 | beardy | mfrisch: Supported by what? |
| 22:02.10 | Gnea | mfrisch: geoforce? no. geforce? yes. |
| 22:02.12 | bunghole | Harley^, have you installed alsa? |
| 22:02.21 | beardy | ~alsa 2.6 |
| 22:02.23 | vulture | Harley^: You said you had one previously - just a symlink. Perhaps you could add that in. |
| 22:02.35 | Harley^ | bunghole not yet. I am going to type that command now. |
| 22:02.35 | phogg | mo1991: AFAIK not unless you're connected directly. |
| 22:02.38 | Gnea | mo1991: there's been minor work done with it - http://gaim.sf.net would have it |
| 22:02.46 | mfrisch | Gnea geforce yes |
| 22:02.52 | SerajewelKS | mfrisch: if you mean geforce, do this as root: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:02.53 | bunghole | Harley^, sound wont' work if you don't install alsa |
| 22:02.57 | SerajewelKS | mfrisch: then restart X |
| 22:03.00 | Gnea | ~tell mfrisch about nvidia |
| 22:03.06 | Gnea | oops |
| 22:03.12 | bunghole | Harley^, "apt-get install alsa && alsaconf" without quotes, and configure it. then do the group adding of users. then apt-get install alsamixergui and then run it in X. then configure your volume levels. |
| 22:03.13 | Laerti_el | SerajewelKS where do i write that adress |
| 22:03.13 | magyar | beardy, why do i have "hotplug" starting twice during the boot process, i only have hotplug in 2nd abd 3rd levels? |
| 22:03.13 | beardy | azimuthal: man aptitude, isn't there a --with-recommends? |
| 22:03.20 | Harley^ | vulture ok. will do |
| 22:03.24 | SerajewelKS | Laerti_el: did you read the manpage? |
| 22:03.36 | Harley^ | bunghole ok |
| 22:03.36 | Laerti_el | yes |
| 22:03.41 | mfrisch | SerajewelKS so its nvidia based is radeon more supported?? |
| 22:03.42 | SerajewelKS | Laerti_el: then you would know |
| 22:03.51 | beardy | magyar: Have you added it to runlevel 3 yourself? |
| 22:03.55 | Laerti_el | SerajewelKS where do i write that adress |
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| 22:03.59 | phogg | mfrisch: it depends who you ask |
| 22:04.00 | magyar | beardy, nope |
| 22:04.03 | SerajewelKS | Laerti_el: in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:04.06 | phogg | mfrisch: radeon has crappier commercial drivers |
| 22:04.26 | Gnea | Laerti_el: have you read any of the linux howtos that were referenced earlier? if so, which ones? |
| 22:04.35 | mfrisch | phogg I am not looking for spectacular just stable agp |
| 22:04.50 | Laerti_el | SerajewelKS in konsole |
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| 22:05.07 | phogg | mfrisch: if you want 3D acceleration nvidia is the best you can do at the moment. If you don't need 3D, the Radeon open source drivers do fine. |
| 22:05.17 | SerajewelKS | mfrisch: my nvidia setup is pretty nice. for good 3d accel you have to use a non-free driver, but that's your choice. |
| 22:05.18 | Harley^ | vulture - ls -la dsp |
| 22:05.20 | Harley^ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2005-12-30 11:56 dsp Is that the problem ? |
| 22:05.30 | SerajewelKS | Laerti_el: in konsole what |
| 22:06.00 | vulture | Harley^: where did that come from? |
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| 22:06.06 | Laerti_el | in konsolse do i write etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:06.09 | levander | McJerry: Linux is on /dev/hda3 and it's ext3 |
| 22:06.11 | mfrisch | SerajewelKS phogg THANKS. is asus X mobo with the via chipset going to support sata? |
| 22:06.22 | Harley^ | vulture - that was in the /dev/ directory |
| 22:06.34 | SerajewelKS | mfrisch: that depends on the mobo of course |
| 22:06.41 | Gnea | Laerti_el: do you know how to use text editors in linux yet? |
| 22:07.00 | beardy | magyar: I don't know why. |
| 22:07.00 | vulture | Harley^: I thought you said there was no /dev/dsp at the moment.. But that doesn't look like the right /dev/dsp in any case (permissions aren't the way they usually are) |
| 22:07.06 | SerajewelKS | oh i give up.. Laerti_el which graphican environment do you use |
| 22:07.06 | phogg | mfrisch: look are your motherboard. Does it have SATA on it? |
| 22:07.15 | Harley^ | vulture There is a dspW with ls -la dspW |
| 22:07.17 | Harley^ | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 5 2005-12-30 11:47 dspW |
| 22:07.24 | Laerti_el | gnea is the first time today that im using debian |
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| 22:07.36 | Laerti_el | SerajewelKS only desktop i see |
| 22:07.48 | SerajewelKS | Laerti_el: as in.. KDE or Gnome? |
| 22:07.53 | Gnea | Laerti_el: okay, do you have a web browser? |
| 22:07.58 | Laerti_el | yes |
| 22:08.08 | Laerti_el | mozilla |
| 22:08.14 | mfrisch | phogg this is all for instance because I am buying it if I get good response. It supports sata and sata raid. |
| 22:08.18 | beardy | Laerti_el: Is there a K in the downleft corner? |
| 22:08.31 | Laerti_el | po |
| 22:08.36 | Laerti_el | yyes |
| 22:08.59 | phogg | mfrisch: so you're asking about Linux drivers for it? |
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| 22:09.25 | Laerti_el | and now |
| 22:09.39 | phogg | mfrisch: what is the chipset of the SATA controller? You ca determine Linux support from that. Generally, I've found support to be excellent (meaning everything I've tried so far has worked) |
| 22:09.43 | Laerti_el | beardy and now |
| 22:10.11 | Gnea | Laerti_el: then please visit this website, read it, click on links and read them - http://www.justlinux.com http://www.linuxnewbieguide.org/ and http://www.tldp.org you can open all 3 in seperate tabs |
| 22:10.23 | SerajewelKS | hmm i thought there was a GUI network config util for the various WM/DEs |
| 22:10.24 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | when i have ne disk now, an d i wanna fill it, and when its full, i want to add another disk that acts like an extension of the first, and later on removethe fisrt without loosing data, how ca that be done? |
| 22:10.43 | beardy | ~reference |
| 22:10.44 | apt | from memory, reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of you questions about Debian. latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 22:10.50 | SerajewelKS | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: you can add a new one by making an LVM, but you can't remove it so easily |
| 22:10.55 | paulswm | Gnea: Excellent advice, Gnea :) |
| 22:10.59 | mfrisch | phogg it is VIA K8T800 at least thats the northbridge...it doesn't say. |
| 22:11.00 | SerajewelKS | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: that'd be like cutting your disk in half while it's on |
| 22:11.28 | Laerti_el | ok thx for everything |
| 22:11.31 | beardy | Laerti_el: Open this in another tab too, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 22:11.32 | Gnea | Laerti_el: some of those sites reference non-debian definitions, but they do concentrate on core-linux commands which are present and actively used in debian |
| 22:11.47 | Laerti_el | ok gnea |
| 22:11.49 | Laerti_el | thx |
| 22:11.51 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | yeah, im using lvm now, but it eats away 50GB form my 750GB array (on an highpoint rocketraid controller, works fine with the drivers) |
| 22:11.53 | Gnea | you're welcome |
| 22:12.07 | paulswm | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: You can do that with LVM |
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| 22:12.14 | Laerti_el | have a nice day |
| 22:12.34 | mfrisch | THANKS ALL |
| 22:12.38 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | is there a way to do it with LVM without llosing 50GB? |
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| 22:13.05 | Gnea | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: LVM or LVM2? |
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| 22:13.46 | paulswm | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: With LVM, you can move blocks between physical volumes, so you can add a second disk to a volume group, then move all the stuff from the first to the second, then remove the first. Read the LVM HotTo |
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| 22:13.58 | paulswm | HowTo* |
| 22:14.06 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | k, that is cool |
| 22:14.37 | mith | sun's zfs or whatever stuff is cooler :P |
| 22:14.40 | Harley^ | brb |
| 22:14.51 | Gnea | mith: zfs? |
| 22:15.00 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | but i installed that LVM, and did lgcreate and lvcreate, but now im missing 50GB of my 750GB array :-/ |
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| 22:15.40 | mith | Gnea: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/;jsessionid=5A7DC8775831DCFCCA1E3A7473843075 |
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| 22:15.50 | paulswm | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: But if you're not using LVM and you want to do it now, then you have to mount the new fs somehwere temporary, copy stuff from the old one, then unmount the old one and mount the new one in its place |
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| 22:16.28 | phogg | wake me when they port zfs to Linux |
| 22:16.32 | yves | I managed to create shares, thru SWAT. I can see them and read them in my W2k pc but I cannot write to them. Any idea what I'm missing? |
| 22:16.42 | locsmif | Hi. I'm working a large script, and I need a line that detects X version, up to now, all X.Org users confirmed it working..any XFree86 users here that can test this line: |
| 22:16.45 | locsmif | 23:23 < robotgeek> locsmif: 6.8.2 |
| 22:16.48 | locsmif | 23:24 < Renich> Hi guys |
| 22:16.49 | locsmif | sorry :(( |
| 22:16.51 | locsmif | 23:24 < coz> locsmif I got the same numbers |
| 22:16.54 | locsmif | shit |
| 22:17.04 | locsmif | I mean |
| 22:17.05 | locsmif | xdpyinfo | awk '/version:/ { print $NF }' |
| 22:17.06 | Gnea | !troll locsmif |
| 22:17.15 | Gnea | ~troll locsmif |
| 22:17.16 | apt | ACTION hereby declares locsmif a troll |
| 22:17.23 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | well its to plan to fill the fist array, then add a next disk, fill that, then add another big one, but remove the first |
| 22:17.38 | chorse | i cannot unload any modules, ERROR: Removing 'foo': Resource temporarily unavailable. any ideas? |
| 22:17.45 | cheal | locsmif: 4.3.0.1 |
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| 22:18.03 | mo1991 | phogg - is there a way to get the ip if I'm chatting with someone? |
| 22:18.04 | locsmif | Gnea, it was an accidental paste, sorry, I feel bad, especially if it happens in #debian .. |
| 22:18.15 | locsmif | cheal, thanks, great :) |
| 22:18.25 | Gnea | chorse: some program or internal process has it already locked in place - lsof should tell you what it is |
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| 22:18.31 | beardy | yves: Write permission. |
| 22:18.36 | phogg | mo1991: not that I know of, unless you're connected directly and you watch where the packets go |
| 22:18.38 | paulswm | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: OK, I didn't know you were using RAID, if you are mirroring and the devices are different sizes, you are restricted to the sixe of the smallest device |
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| 22:19.10 | phogg | locsmif: outputs nothing for me under xorg |
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| 22:19.13 | chorse | Gnea: a kernel module? |
| 22:19.21 | mo1991 | phogg what is a a good program to allow me to see where the packets go in sarge? |
| 22:19.44 | phogg | mo1991: tcpdump |
| 22:19.45 | locsmif | phogg, then you are on of the people with an X.Org version that only has "vendor release number" to parse |
| 22:19.50 | Gnea | chorse: what command are you using to unload it? and what modules is it? |
| 22:19.51 | locsmif | phogg, I made a failover mechanism for that |
| 22:19.52 | chorse | even unused modules (cdrom) are not removeable |
| 22:19.54 | yves | beardy: I figure as much but I can't find any specefic feild for write permission. I set the "read only" feild to NO. But that<s all I can find. |
| 22:19.55 | Gnea | er, module |
| 22:19.57 | SerajewelKS | mo1991: or ethereal, for a GUI |
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| 22:20.03 | chorse | Gnea: any module. rmmod foo |
| 22:20.14 | phogg | locsmif: xdpyinfo |grep version # gives me 'version number: 11.0' |
| 22:20.28 | Gnea | chorse: you'll *need* to be more specific. most modules can't be unloaded if the associated hardware is in use. |
| 22:21.01 | beardy | yves: Ask #samba |
| 22:21.06 | Gnea | chorse: what about modprobe -r foo |
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| 22:21.14 | locsmif | phogg, try xpdyinfo | grep release |
| 22:21.23 | chorse | Gnea: well..the pc doesn't have a cdrom... |
| 22:21.54 | locsmif | you get a number which needs to be translated. Not long after your X.Org version they put the human readable version string back in :) |
| 22:21.55 | yves | beardy: I should've thought of it. damn newbies hey? ;) |
| 22:21.55 | Gnea | chorse: if you are unwilling to go beyond vagueness, you will not be able to recieve help. |
| 22:22.19 | locsmif | I must check for both to ensure failover |
| 22:22.26 | phogg | locsmif: vendor release number: 60802000 |
| 22:22.57 | locsmif | phogg, ah, that's good |
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| 22:24.10 | beardy | yves: Only the ones that don't wish to/tries to learn are damned. |
| 22:24.22 | Gnea | ok, well it's time to run around for awhile, bbl |
| 22:24.40 | beardy | yves: (I don't mean you, or anyone in particular) |
| 22:25.55 | paulswm | yves: New folks are welcome :) beardy means the ones that have nominally run Linux for two years, but it's really the first week repeated 104 times :P |
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| 22:27.32 | locsmif | phogg, thanks a mil.. |
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| 22:28.47 | foo | kspath_: yeah, openbox does it too... .. ah, lame. |
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| 22:28.56 | bluescare | hi guys |
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| 22:30.12 | darkcmd | what is someone who has been using linux since 2000? |
| 22:30.27 | bluescare | just a little question : would you know how to export sound over ssh to a remote computer (using X11) ? |
| 22:30.45 | TTT | bluescare, ARTS or ESD should work i think |
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| 22:30.59 | bluescare | hum not really in fact |
| 22:31.02 | bluescare | i thought |
| 22:31.05 | bluescare | about netcat |
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| 22:31.24 | bluescare | but i would need a player on the local machine so as to play my sound |
| 22:31.38 | paulswm | darkcmd: I'm sure that I'll regret this, but... what? :P |
| 22:31.54 | Lapmann | I have a freshly installed testing-system and I intend to compile and install the hpt302 kernel driver, but I have a lot of header include problems. I still don't completely get the debian system of separating everything in smaller pieces |
| 22:32.04 | bluescare | TTT: I've tried it using mplayer |
| 22:32.14 | bluescare | TTT: that wasn't really successful |
| 22:32.17 | TTT | bluescare, netcat + mplayer? |
| 22:32.28 | bluescare | yep |
| 22:32.34 | KelebekTurkce226 | hello |
| 22:32.35 | KelebekTurkce226 | .) |
| 22:32.37 | TTT | last time i tried getting sound over network, i used gnome ESD, it worked somewhat |
| 22:32.42 | tictac | heh |
| 22:32.57 | TTT | there were latency problems and it gulped tons of bandwidth but it worked |
| 22:33.08 | mo1991 | phogg - can ethereal capture packets from a wireless source as well? |
| 22:33.21 | KelebekTurkce226 | türkce bilen yokmu |
| 22:33.43 | blondie | KelebekTurkce226: asdlkla;skdasd |
| 22:34.06 | cannn | :) |
| 22:34.19 | bluescare | TTT: all right, i won't have any latency pb, it's on a 100Mb LAN |
| 22:34.19 | cannn | beni anlayan yokmu |
| 22:34.26 | bluescare | TTT: how do u make it work ? |
| 22:34.26 | blondie | cannn: speak english |
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| 22:34.45 | TTT | cannn, labas vakaras to you too. You're not the only one here who can speak a language noone understands |
| 22:34.47 | mo1991 | phogg assuming I have a wireless card? |
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| 22:34.56 | cannn | :( |
| 22:35.05 | blondie | i.e. GIBBERISH |
| 22:35.33 | TTT | cannn, what other languages can you speak other than turkish? |
| 22:35.43 | bluescare | TTT: ;) |
| 22:35.43 | TTT | russian? |
| 22:35.45 | cannn | yes |
| 22:35.53 | cannn | ý m turkýsh |
| 22:35.56 | blondie | ? |
| 22:36.02 | blondie | they weren't Is |
| 22:36.09 | Cha1ns4w | please,fuck off with the turkish shit,them joining the EU is bad enough. |
| 22:36.11 | drivamgr2006 | We guessed. Its why your character et is coming up wrong |
| 22:36.15 | blondie | lol. |
| 22:36.48 | drivamgr2006 | blondie, their control code for I is different. they have another letter on their I keys... |
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| 22:37.06 | drivamgr2006 | It doesnt matter though. Feck off back to turkey before we find some paxo and stuff ya |
| 22:37.19 | TTT | bluescare, ugh, i ran some music player that supported sound output to ESD. Then I ran ESD daemon on the box I wanted to output the sound. Then I configured music player to output the sound stream to ESD daemon on other box over TCP/IP (i think) |
| 22:37.21 | nkuttler | !tr |
| 22:37.29 | TTT | i used xmms with ESD plugin i think |
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| 22:37.47 | nkuttler | cannn: #debian.tr or #debian-tr is in turkish |
| 22:38.03 | diana | keboard laout is all fucked up...how can I fix it... I need to dpkg-reconfigure what package |
| 22:38.04 | bluescare | TTT: hum pretty easy in fact |
| 22:38.05 | TTT | bluescare, it was ~5 years ago, so i don't remember much |
| 22:38.08 | bluescare | TTT: thanks a lot |
| 22:38.27 | TTT | i think it should be doable with KDE & ARTS |
| 22:38.33 | nkuttler | diana: in x? |
| 22:38.45 | TTT | i think ARTS should be more advanced/better supported, never tried it |
| 22:38.55 | tictac | hmm. |
| 22:39.10 | bluescare | all right then |
| 22:39.16 | bluescare | tks i'm gonna try it |
| 22:39.20 | bluescare | i'll let u know |
| 22:39.25 | bluescare | what's the best |
| 22:39.25 | TTT | and there were some 3rd party (non-gnome, non-kde) sound-over-network solutions, daemons & stuff, plugins for xmms too i think, they didn't work well |
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| 22:39.50 | TGoC | How can i configure sendmail to use auth type cram-md5? |
| 22:40.05 | bluescare | i'm still wondering why we still can't export sound using x11 |
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| 22:40.20 | bluescare | why didn't they develop that ?! |
| 22:40.28 | blondie | cos X11 is shit? |
| 22:40.35 | bluescare | blondie: :D |
| 22:40.43 | bluescare | maybe true ... |
| 22:40.47 | blondie | o.o |
| 22:40.55 | nkuttler | what else should x take care of? mail? cooking coffee? |
| 22:40.55 | blondie | I don't use it :\ |
| 22:40.56 | TTT | bluescare, maybe when they developed X11 protocol 1 out of 20 computers had sound ? :) |
| 22:41.06 | TTT | it was a long time ago |
| 22:41.20 | nils_ | X11 is a windowmanager, not a sound tool |
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| 22:41.30 | blondie | it's not a window manager |
| 22:42.16 | bluescare | all right good points guys |
| 22:42.20 | bluescare | blondie: what r u using ? |
| 22:42.26 | blondie | Windows |
| 22:42.29 | bluescare | lol |
| 22:42.35 | bluescare | no comment |
| 22:42.39 | nils_ | sry, i didn't mean that, but afaik its for graphics and keyboard. it has nothing to do with sound |
| 22:42.40 | TTT | hmm, bluescare, after quick browsing over wikipedia there is also JACK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JACK |
| 22:42.44 | TTT | don't know if it is any good |
| 22:42.44 | blondie | I only use cli with linux |
| 22:42.51 | blondie | 90% of the time anyway |
| 22:43.24 | TTT | heh, i'm on windows now too, need emule running. I know there is amule for linux but it is not that good |
| 22:43.35 | klock | gtk-gnutella |
| 22:43.47 | klock | connects to the limewire and e-muleish networks |
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| 22:43.48 | blondie | X11 is too slow for my liking |
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| 22:44.10 | TTT | klock, i don't need donkeysh networks, i need THE edonkey network |
| 22:44.27 | bluescare | hum i c |
| 22:44.37 | bluescare | i don't use peer to peer networks |
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| 22:44.45 | klock | bittorrent |
| 22:44.48 | blondie | neither do I, just bittorrent |
| 22:44.52 | blondie | which isn't a network |
| 22:44.54 | pipline | There is no "THE" edonkey network. |
| 22:44.59 | pipline | There are only individual servers. |
| 22:45.06 | paulswm | "I have never seen anything fill up a vacuum so fast and still suck." - Rob Pike on X |
| 22:45.25 | klock | thats a little harsh, but it is mostly true |
| 22:45.30 | klock | X is still a baby |
| 22:45.32 | TTT | pipline, there is kademillia, which is not supported (yet?) under amule |
| 22:45.32 | pipline | TTT: There used to be "overnet" which was an Edonkey network that ran between multiple servers, but I don't think it's still up and running. |
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| 22:45.55 | philips | klock: a baby? It has been around longer then me |
| 22:45.59 | philips | :-P |
| 22:46.24 | blondie | how long has it been around? |
| 22:46.24 | pipline | klock: X's problem is that it was designed to run exactly three applications: xclock, xterm, and xcalc. |
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| 22:46.24 | klock | philips: well let me rephrase, its not a baby in the sense of age, but a baby in the sense of its maturity |
| 22:46.24 | TTT | pipline, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kad_Network |
| 22:46.26 | pipline | blondie: 25 years or so. |
| 22:46.30 | blondie | hm |
| 22:46.47 | beardy | It can be called and blamed for many things, but baby? I don't agree with that.. |
| 22:47.02 | klock | baby was a bad word to use, my fault |
| 22:47.16 | beardy | It is mature. |
| 22:47.16 | pipline | X still does what it was supposed to do very well. |
| 22:47.18 | TTT | X is mature, but it is somewhat, i don't know |
| 22:47.24 | pipline | If you just want xcalc, xclock, and xterm, X is fantastic :P |
| 22:47.41 | TTT | I think it could use some architectural improvements |
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| 22:47.52 | abrotman | you forgot xdaliclock! |
| 22:48.07 | pipline | TTT: The underlying protocol is hopelessly braindamaged. Nothing could make X significantly better, worse, or even different. Nothing. |
| 22:48.24 | nkuttler | TTT: it's not like anybody is hiding from source from you |
| 22:48.37 | nkuttler | s/from/the/ |
| 22:49.06 | TTT | nkuttler, heh, well, i wish i had time to work on a project of this scope. I'm usually working overtime as it is... |
| 22:49.17 | matnix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:49.48 | klock | kde is coming along though |
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| 22:50.27 | bunghole | im trying to compile ktorrent, ./congfigure keeps asking me for qt-mt dev files. I just install libqt3-dev. is qt-mt different than qt? what other packages do i need to install? |
| 22:50.47 | PerfDave | !test |
| 22:50.48 | abrotman | bunghole: apt-cache search qt mt dev |
| 22:50.52 | abrotman | PerfDave: dead |
| 22:50.57 | PerfDave | abrotman: Bum |
| 22:51.06 | Denn | If a application have the pid 2996 should i not kill it by "kill -9 2996" ? |
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| 22:51.40 | TTT | Denn, try kill without -9 if you want to be civilized. Try kill -9 if simple kill won't work or if you're feeling angry today |
| 22:51.50 | beardy | Denn: If that is what you want, yes. Use -KILL instead of numbers, so you know more exactly what you are doing though. |
| 22:51.58 | paulswm | Denn: If you have to kill it that way, try without the -9 first, if that works it gets a chance to clean up before dying, kill -9 is a last resort |
| 22:52.06 | Denn | -bash: kill: (2996) - Ingen sådan proces |
| 22:52.11 | Denn | No such process |
| 22:52.15 | abrotman | ack! ... swedish! |
| 22:52.20 | Denn | But i can see in "top" that the pid is 2996 |
| 22:52.23 | Denn | abrotman no danish ;) |
| 22:52.27 | beardy | ack?! Why you little! |
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| 22:52.53 | TGoC | 666 |
| 22:52.56 | TGoC | people in the room |
| 22:53.00 | abrotman | no |
| 22:53.00 | beardy | channel |
| 22:53.11 | beardy | and yes, no |
| 22:53.13 | TGoC | Anyway |
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| 22:53.23 | abrotman | your client sucks :) |
| 22:53.24 | TGoC | How can i configure sendmail to use AUTH? |
| 22:53.31 | melao- | Is OpenAFS mature yet? Can I use it with NIS the same way I use NFS? What is a reliable and good alternative to NFS? |
| 22:53.41 | blondie | grr |
| 22:53.43 | TTT | Denn, probably the pid is not 2996, there's no other explanation. Maybe you are trying to kill it on other terminal that is connected to other computer or something... |
| 22:53.51 | PerfDave | melao-: NFSv4? :) |
| 22:53.57 | abrotman | melao-: they don't really solve the same problem .. but hey .. why not :) |
| 22:54.05 | TGoC | I need something that is easily installed, easily configured, enough newb tutorials about and that works along with squirrelmail so i can handle all mail going to domain of my server.. anyone? |
| 22:54.14 | beardy | Denn: pidof something |
| 22:54.36 | Denn | Arh it did come now |
| 22:54.37 | TTT | TGoC, um, debian installs exim by default, it is mangeable. Some people i know prefer postfix |
| 22:54.42 | jvw | toresbe: best use exim or so, that has howto's about auth and such |
| 22:54.44 | beardy | Denn: man ps, ps and grep |
| 22:54.54 | jvw | TGoC: ^ |
| 22:55.28 | melao- | abrotman, i don't understand... isn't AFS a distributed filesystem just like NFS? |
| 22:55.48 | PerfDave | NFS isn't a distributed filesystm. |
| 22:56.46 | TGoC | TTT |
| 22:56.51 | TGoC | exim... mmmz |
| 22:57.02 | TGoC | Got a nice tutorial for numfo's like me for it? |
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| 22:57.52 | DJ-Marcuzz|TV | well and the last question, is there a good binary usenet downloader for linux that works with nzb files ands such? |
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| 22:58.00 | beardy | TGoC: Google. The manual. /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
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| 22:58.16 | paulswm | DJ-Marcuzz|TV: If you want an nzb downloader, there's a package called nzb |
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| 22:58.54 | diana | I am mounting a windows partition in debian...but regular users can't access the directory...I type "mount /dev/hdd1 /windows" and root can read this...but a regular user can't. |
| 22:58.57 | Sypher | hello everyone |
| 22:59.05 | diana | I want to use xmms to play some songs in /windows |
| 22:59.20 | pipline | diana: You need the "uid", "gid" options. Read the "mount" man page, the section about FAT and NTFS options. |
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| 22:59.37 | diana | pipline: What is the command? |
| 22:59.43 | diana | I don't want to read man pages. |
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| 22:59.46 | pipline | diana: the command to read man pages is "man" |
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| 23:00.04 | pipline | diana: You can search within man pages by hitting "/" while reading'em. |
| 23:00.13 | blondie | "22:59:43 < diana> I don't want to read man pages. |
| 23:00.14 | blondie | " |
| 23:00.18 | TGoC | Should i deinstall sendmail after installing exim4? |
| 23:00.33 | blondie | if you can't be bothered to RTFM, you shouldn't come asking for help |
| 23:00.40 | beardy | ~vfatrw |
| 23:00.42 | apt | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 23:00.47 | beardy | wee |
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| 23:01.12 | TGoC | blondie... Should i remove Sendmail after installing exim4? :p |
| 23:01.15 | litui | gyar... I have two pci network interfaces, different brands, and randomly they probe in different order, causing my server to assign interfaces to the wrong cards. What is the best way to force a certain module load order. Using debian etch and udev. |
| 23:01.16 | drivamgr2006 | woohoo! well done blondie. Even I am learning to RTFM before I come and ask what appear to be fucking stupid questions... |
| 23:01.22 | drivamgr2006 | !wine blondie |
| 23:01.33 | drivamgr2006 | oh shoot. it dont work here |
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| 23:01.45 | TGoC | drivamgr2006 let's not wine around |
| 23:01.47 | beardy | wine? |
| 23:02.03 | TGoC | blondie might be blonde but she's ok |
| 23:02.12 | drivamgr2006 | yeah, another channel i go it, you type !beer you get beer, you type !wine you get wine... |
| 23:02.17 | blondie | I am neither blonde or a she |
| 23:02.23 | TGoC | lol |
| 23:02.24 | beardy | Well, how cute.. |
| 23:02.30 | TGoC | sshh blondie |
| 23:02.33 | Sypher | mhmhm ... guys ... i got 2 disks. is there a way to see them kinda like one, without using raid ? i dont have any hw raid controllers, but still, i would like to have a single dir where there's the 2 or 3 hard disks with size1 + size2 as maximum space in that ... is there a way or should i just try to go raid ? |
| 23:02.38 | drivamgr2006 | !beer blondie |
| 23:02.44 | blondie | no thanks |
| 23:02.45 | TGoC | You don't wanna lose your reputation blondie ;) |
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| 23:03.00 | blondie | what reputation? |
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| 23:03.16 | valdyn | Sypher: lvm can do that, but that idea still does sound stupid |
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| 23:03.22 | beardy | drivamgr2006: The bartender is too drunk to serve, do it yourself if you wish. |
| 23:03.24 | Niklas_E | is there any special release for amd 64? or do you use ia64? |
| 23:03.37 | thingfish | I can tend bar. Whaddya need? |
| 23:03.46 | Sypher | valdyn, why that? just the idea or are there some losses doing that ? |
| 23:04.00 | beardy | thingfish: Give blondie a beer and let drivamgr2006 pay for it. |
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| 23:04.07 | valdyn | Sypher: if one of both disks break, you loose all files. |
| 23:04.11 | cjaymes | howdy |
| 23:04.15 | TGoC | ERROR: |
| 23:04.15 | TGoC | Bad request: IMAP server does not appear to support the authentication method selected. Please contact your system administrator. |
| 23:04.15 | TGoC | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:04.22 | beardy | Niklas_E: #debian-amd64 ? |
| 23:04.30 | TGoC | wooops |
| 23:04.31 | cjaymes | any ideas what would make a hard drive write-protected all of the sudden? |
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| 23:04.48 | TGoC | Bad request: IMAP server does not appear to support the authentication method selected. Please contact your system administrator. <-- what is wrong? i did the configtest and it looks ok to me |
| 23:04.51 | cjaymes | I was using the gnome search tool & pow, I can write now |
| 23:04.52 | Sypher | valdyn, well ... thats a damn nice argumentation ;) |
| 23:04.53 | penguin | Hard drive write proteceted? |
| 23:04.57 | beardy | cjaymes: All of a sudden? When you did what, booted, mounted, what? |
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| 23:05.00 | TGoC | http://www.criminalsworld.nl/webmail/src/configtest.php <-- no errors |
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| 23:05.18 | cjaymes | I'm just using away as a regular user |
| 23:05.28 | cjaymes | I can't even remount,rw |
| 23:05.57 | cjaymes | hmm |
| 23:06.03 | cjaymes | nasties in dmesg |
| 23:06.04 | beardy | cjaymes: Well, are you trying to write to places you haven't the permission to write to? |
| 23:06.04 | waubna | Hi. I'm a bit confused as to how to install packages that are not available in the debian archive. For instance I have downloaded the package gphoto to my desktop and am stuck as to where to go from here. |
| 23:06.18 | cjaymes | beardy, no, I had permission just a bit ago |
| 23:06.21 | beardy | waubna: Isn't that packaged? |
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| 23:06.39 | beardy | cjaymes: Sounds strange. What filesystem? |
| 23:06.40 | penguin | You need to download the .deb package |
| 23:06.46 | cjaymes | beardy, ext3 |
| 23:06.47 | blondie | waubna: why didn't you apt-get install it? |
| 23:06.48 | waubna | I tried apt get at debian and the package was not found |
| 23:06.56 | cjaymes | I have IO errors here too |
| 23:07.01 | beardy | waubna: or aptitude install it |
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| 23:07.09 | waubna | I tried |
| 23:07.11 | blondie | waubna: apt-cache search |
| 23:07.11 | cjaymes | new disk though, I don't think it would be hardware |
| 23:07.13 | beardy | cjaymes: Well, then that esplains it. |
| 23:07.18 | waubna | let me try again |
| 23:07.19 | beardy | explains |
| 23:07.21 | blondie | the package is called gphoto2 |
| 23:07.22 | pipline | waubna: Solution: Don't install packages that aren't available from your official sources. |
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| 23:07.37 | penguin | You run dpkg -i on the .deb file |
| 23:07.55 | penguin | so you go dpkg -i yourpackage.deb |
| 23:08.04 | cjaymes | I can't even unmount the disk |
| 23:08.06 | beardy | waubna: Don't guess at packagenames, apt-cache search, search at packages.debian.org, or use aptitude and search in there, (/) |
| 23:08.14 | cjaymes | are ext3 bugs possible? |
| 23:08.21 | pipline | cjaymes: Not really. |
| 23:08.22 | beardy | cjaymes: No. |
| 23:08.41 | penguin | Cjaymes, what is your problem exactly? |
| 23:08.56 | beardy | cjaymes: Your filesystem is mounted read-only because it contains errors. Backup everything you want to keep, fsck and prey. |
| 23:09.05 | waubna | apt-cache search gphoto? |
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| 23:09.33 | penguin | Hold on that may not be true |
| 23:09.38 | litui | is there any way to force modules for pci to load in a certain order at boot time overriding the pci probe order? |
| 23:09.40 | beardy | waubna: Yes, try and see, or perhaps only photo and pipe through less if it outputs alot. |
| 23:09.45 | penguin | What the hell exactlyl is going on? |
| 23:09.47 | TGoC | IMAP server ready (* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] criminalsworld.nl IMAP4rev1 2003.339 at Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:32:16 +0000 (UTC)) <-- is this correct? "LOGINDISABLED" and if not how do i enable it |
| 23:09.49 | cjaymes | blah, I think I'm going to have to restart |
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| 23:10.01 | blondie | waubna: uhuh |
| 23:10.04 | penguin | Restart from where, what you got now? |
| 23:10.19 | cjaymes | I'm still in gnome |
| 23:10.27 | cjaymes | the drive is my media drive |
| 23:10.33 | cjaymes | ~/media |
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| 23:10.39 | penguin | Yoiu have gnome running? |
| 23:10.47 | cjaymes | can't unmount it, so I can't fsck it |
| 23:10.47 | penguin | then nothing wrong with your HD |
| 23:10.48 | Yawgmoth | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1418 <- Well, I still need apt now. =\ |
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| 23:10.57 | plugwash | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 23:10.57 | plugwash | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.58 | cjaymes | gnome is on another hd |
| 23:11.04 | plugwash | any idea why i'm getting that on etch? |
| 23:11.17 | penguin | Gnome is on another HD? |
| 23:11.22 | plugwash | all sources point to an official debian mirror via apt-cacher |
| 23:11.23 | waubna | thanks...yes I realize I'm a dummy |
| 23:11.25 | penguin | What the hell are you trying to do here? |
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| 23:11.31 | bunghole | has anyone compiled or made packages for kde3.5 for debian sarge? i can't find on google, i thought maybe someone here knows |
| 23:11.32 | Eulex | !apt-secure |
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| 23:11.46 | cjaymes | yeah, I store all my media on a big hd & programs & other stuff on another |
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| 23:11.50 | Eulex | dpkg is *still* b0rked? |
| 23:11.58 | tarzeau | bunghole: #debian-kde |
| 23:11.59 | nvz | bunghole: kde.org or apt-get.org would know first. see also #debian-kde |
| 23:12.04 | beardy | bunghole: If it isn't in sarge, it isn't in sarge. Try backports.org. |
| 23:12.06 | Yawgmoth | Eulex: I did other things in the meantime. |
| 23:12.10 | gan|y|med | hallo, how can i reset the passwoed for a user on the console? |
| 23:12.12 | penguin | U cant mount another HD as a regular user |
| 23:12.14 | cjaymes | in case of hd malfunctions :-P |
| 23:12.18 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:12.21 | blondie | gan|y|med: "passwd" |
| 23:12.22 | nvz | gan|y|med: passwd |
| 23:12.22 | beardy | gan|y|med: man passwd |
| 23:12.24 | Yawgmoth | However, this things lead me to apt again now, since I might have to install dependencies for x.org now. |
| 23:12.25 | Eulex | Yawgmoth, eh? |
| 23:12.26 | abrotman | damn bot! |
| 23:12.27 | plugwash | gan|y|med passwd username |
| 23:12.29 | Yawgmoth | *these |
| 23:12.31 | blondie | penguin: you can if it's specified in fstab |
| 23:12.34 | plugwash | assuming you are root ofc |
| 23:12.40 | cjaymes | right, it's always mounted on startup |
| 23:12.45 | TGoC | IMAP server ready (* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] criminalsworld.nl IMAP4rev1 2003.339 at Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:32:16 +0000 (UTC)) <-- is this correct? "LOGINDISABLED" and if not how do i enable it |
| 23:12.54 | Yawgmoth | Eulex: I am trying to get something working nicely with wine. Any of my deeds now are guided by that. |
| 23:13.01 | beardy | cjaymes: What error do you get when trying to umount it? |
| 23:13.13 | cjaymes | device is busy |
| 23:13.15 | Eulex | Yawgmoth, well, why are you talking to me? |
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| 23:13.28 | pipline | penguin: pmount |
| 23:13.30 | Yawgmoth | Eulex: I thought you commented about my pastebin :D |
| 23:13.35 | cjaymes | lsof doesn't show anything open though |
| 23:13.36 | beardy | cjaymes: Find out what is using it and make it stop. lsof or fuser. |
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| 23:13.43 | Eulex | Yawgmoth, I didn't |
| 23:13.47 | Yawgmoth | Oh, sorry then. xP |
| 23:13.48 | foo | Having some issues with something that looks like a screen saver. It's got a grey background with a big X ... goes on after about 10 to 20 minutes ... I've tried in openbox and fluxbox and I still get it. I have no idea what it is. How can I stop it? |
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| 23:13.51 | beardy | cjaymes: lsof /mnt/point |
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| 23:14.08 | cjaymes | beardy, nada |
| 23:14.20 | gan|y|med | thx very much |
| 23:14.30 | penguin | Cjaymes, be a little careful with what ever you do |
| 23:14.38 | beardy | cjaymes: hmm, lsof /dev/devicename? |
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| 23:15.01 | cjaymes | beardy, ahh, there it goes |
| 23:15.06 | gan|y|med | ciao |
| 23:15.17 | cjaymes | beardy, nautilus trash files |
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| 23:15.23 | cjaymes | stoopid nautilus |
| 23:15.36 | cjaymes | heh |
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| 23:15.41 | cjaymes | can't empty the trash... |
| 23:15.48 | blondie | umount -l |
| 23:15.52 | beardy | cjaymes: Stop it. |
| 23:15.58 | beardy | cjaymes: and try again |
| 23:16.24 | beardy | cjaymes: try to umount it again, I mean |
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| 23:16.32 | cjaymes | it's going now; fscking |
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| 23:16.40 | penguin | U dont have to be careful unless you are root though |
| 23:16.51 | cjaymes | I'm sudo'ing |
| 23:16.57 | penguin | then be careful |
| 23:17.07 | cjaymes | I can't even back up |
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| 23:17.20 | cjaymes | dont' have another drive this size |
| 23:17.21 | beardy | cjaymes: Yes, be careful. Backup first if it's important to you. |
| 23:17.54 | cjaymes | well, I was planning on dj'ing this weekend, but if I can't fix it...I'm fixed :) |
| 23:18.04 | plugwash | i think i've figured out why i was getting the signiture errors. it seems they added support for the signatures to apt but didn't do a very good job of handling the transition |
| 23:18.30 | cjaymes | that drive just has music, video...special video :) |
| 23:18.57 | cjaymes | nothing I can't download again, but a real PITA |
| 23:19.11 | cjaymes | oh shit: Error reading block 12943362 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while doing inode scan. |
| 23:19.31 | cjaymes | what does that mean? |
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| 23:20.15 | [SURF] | hi |
| 23:20.21 | beardy | cjaymes: What it says I guess. Error while reading it. Don't panic. |
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| 23:21.07 | cjaymes | I'm not getting clanking noises from the hd...I'm puzzled |
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| 23:21.23 | beardy | cjaymes: Why should you be getting that? |
| 23:21.44 | cjaymes | if it crashed, I usually hear clanking noises |
| 23:21.51 | Pixel83 | has anybody had problems with ftp access to the debian repositories today? |
| 23:21.51 | cjaymes | it just sounds normal |
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| 23:22.05 | cjaymes | so I should ignore that error & rewrite? |
| 23:22.21 | js_ | ignore&rewrite. |
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| 23:22.37 | beardy | cjaymes: Have you removed it withouth umounting it, or anything other that you can think of that can have caused the error in your filesystem? |
| 23:22.57 | cjaymes | a few power blips |
| 23:22.59 | cjaymes | that's all |
| 23:23.39 | cjaymes | I've only had the drive for ~ 4 mo |
| 23:23.46 | beardy | cjaymes: fsck should be able to fix that, but it's up to you, and as I said, anything important you should try to backup first. |
| 23:24.33 | beardy | cjaymes: It's probably not your harddrive, only the filesystem, from "power blips" if you by that mean that the machine went down when the power went down. |
| 23:24.41 | cjaymes | yes |
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| 23:24.50 | Andy3829 | how do i install php4-gd? |
| 23:25.11 | cjaymes | Andy3829, apt-get install php4-gd |
| 23:25.25 | beardy | cjaymes: I'd let fsck fix it. |
| 23:25.46 | Andy3829 | cjaymes: done that - is that it done? or do i need anything else? |
| 23:26.08 | cjaymes | Andy3829, you should be done |
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| 23:26.29 | cjaymes | beardy, keeps finding more read errors...I'll keep fixing |
| 23:26.39 | Andy3829 | ok i still get errors :S |
| 23:26.40 | Andy3829 | brb |
| 23:26.46 | cjaymes | I feel like puking |
| 23:27.14 | RichiH | up, up, up it flows; and where it goes, nobody knows |
| 23:27.30 | beardy | cjaymes: That's the downside of useing ext3 instead of ext2, it doesn't fsck after a power failure or similar. |
| 23:27.44 | beardy | using |
| 23:27.46 | cjaymes | oh...never thought about that |
| 23:28.08 | beardy | cjaymes: After power blips in the future, fsck manually. |
| 23:28.09 | Pedro420 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.32 | thingfish | Pedro420, do you ship to out-of-town? |
| 23:28.34 | cjaymes | beardy, yah, will do |
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| 23:29.09 | Pedro420 | thingfish: ship what ? |
| 23:29.17 | thingfish | Pedro420: you know, the "420". :) |
| 23:29.19 | TGoC | I accidently did not read where courier-webadmin is installed in, i tried apt-get remove and then install again but it didn't ask me to configure, anyone know where i can find it? |
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| 23:29.31 | Pedro420 | Maybe if the price is right |
| 23:29.34 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:29.54 | sfullenwider | anybody know of any editors for pdf? |
| 23:29.55 | beardy | TGoC: locate whatyouarelookingfor |
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| 23:30.21 | UncleD | What advantages does running debian offer compared to running ubuntu from an end-users point of view? |
| 23:30.30 | beardy | ~why debian |
| 23:30.31 | apt | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://ext2.org/99/02/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 23:30.33 | fusion | TGoC, dpkg-reconfigure courier-webadmin |
| 23:30.37 | thingfish | UncleD: Debian works; Ubuntu doesn't. |
| 23:30.40 | bucky | TGoC: dpkg -L courier-webadmin |
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| 23:31.11 | beardy | UncleD: Try both and decide for yourself. In here you can hopefully guess what the answer will be. |
| 23:31.42 | UncleD | beardy; well, i switched from redhat & slackware to ubuntu on two machines and i have a server I wanted to try it out on (debian that is). |
| 23:31.59 | beardy | UncleD: Do that. |
| 23:32.05 | UncleD | doeesn't debian get updated less frequently also? |
| 23:32.08 | UncleD | as in, the stable. |
| 23:32.10 | beardy | ~d-i UncleD |
| 23:32.11 | thingfish | look you have to figure, people copy from Debian for a reason: it's very damn good. So why not try the real thing? |
| 23:32.15 | beardy | ~di |
| 23:32.17 | apt | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html. Deseret Industries. Digitally Imported where fine techno music can be had, or (or as fine as techno music gets, anyway) |
| 23:32.26 | beardy | ignore that.. |
| 23:32.31 | thingfish | oh tsk on that factoid. |
| 23:32.57 | bucky | Deseret Industries? |
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| 23:33.06 | penguin | I think Debian is the easiest |
| 23:33.07 | thingfish | d.i. fm is for beginners. |
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| 23:33.23 | thingfish | Debian is QUALITY linux. |
| 23:33.45 | beardy | UncleD: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en.html |
| 23:33.50 | cjaymes | to me, the packaging system is the most robust of the distributions |
| 23:34.01 | beardy | UncleD: If you have a better than dialup connection, use the netinstaller. |
| 23:34.02 | penguin | But I havent used anything else for some time now |
| 23:34.13 | cjaymes | rpm has some issues; deb has a few, but they're working on fixing them |
| 23:34.24 | thingfish | well I grew up on rpm-based, switched about a year ago to Debian. |
| 23:34.25 | cjaymes | I can't say the same about rpm |
| 23:34.37 | penguin | Debian is free also. |
| 23:34.41 | gravity | deb and rpm are functionally equivalent |
| 23:34.44 | penguin | compared to redhat |
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| 23:34.52 | UncleD | beardy: I'll give that a shot. |
| 23:34.57 | gravity | There's no real significant difference between the formats |
| 23:35.01 | penguin | Is Redhat free at the moment? |
| 23:35.03 | beardy | apt: no, di is http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en.html |
| 23:35.04 | apt | beardy: okay |
| 23:35.05 | gravity | At least, not at the level we're talking about |
| 23:35.11 | thingfish | sigh |
| 23:35.12 | penguin | At one time it was then it wasnt. |
| 23:35.13 | gravity | penguin: Sure. There's Fedora and Whitebox |
| 23:35.19 | gravity | And centos |
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| 23:35.42 | cjaymes | gravity, no, but that's why I'm with debian & not SuSE |
| 23:35.49 | thingfish | I was with fedora from before their first release to FC3. |
| 23:35.59 | Lafy | anyone know how to debug winbindd? |
| 23:36.05 | thingfish | To me, Fedora is a bug collection. |
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| 23:36.43 | thingfish | centos - the freshmaker! |
| 23:36.44 | cjaymes | heh: http://www.fedora.org/ |
| 23:36.50 | penguin | I never used fedora, I used Redhat way long ago when it was free. |
| 23:36.53 | thingfish | eww I know it all too well |
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| 23:37.20 | UncleD | hmm dpkg is really lagged or something |
| 23:37.21 | thingfish | well, I have not much good to say about it. |
| 23:37.43 | thingfish | dpkg has started its New Years partying a little early, I'm afraid. :/ |
| 23:38.00 | drivamgr2006 | is it worth dropping dpkg and restarting the bot? |
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| 23:38.57 | cjaymes | what's the quality rating of maxtor hds? |
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| 23:39.03 | ryanium | whata a good place for updated sources? |
| 23:39.04 | tsume | what dummy is telling UncleD netinstalls are better than CD isntalls? |
| 23:39.11 | z36ra | I cant locate kdevelop on etch? any suggestions? |
| 23:39.18 | PerfDave | !full cd advocacy |
| 23:39.22 | beardy | tsume: Yes? |
| 23:39.23 | PerfDave | Bah, no working dpkg |
| 23:39.28 | vulture | tsume: most people here recommend netinstalls.. |
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| 23:39.41 | thingfish | tsume: well, a lot of people think netinstalls are *the* way to go. |
| 23:39.43 | vulture | tsume: Why bother downloading a whole bunch of packages you'll never use when you can just pull in what you need, when you need it. |
| 23:40.12 | tsume | vulture: why did you think I ordered 45 free ubuntu cds? So I can give them out to people and have a spare around |
| 23:40.14 | z36ra | I cant locate kdevelop on etch- any suggestions? does it have a new name? |
| 23:40.24 | blondie | tsume: netinstalls ARE better than CD ones |
| 23:40.25 | beardy | cjaymes: How did the fscking go? |
| 23:40.31 | tsume | vulture: same with debian |
| 23:40.39 | tsume | blondie: not really |
| 23:40.43 | cjaymes | beardy, still going; lots of those errors :- |
| 23:40.44 | blondie | yes really |
| 23:40.53 | tsume | blondie: here in America, we have LOTS of bandwidth to download images |
| 23:40.58 | beardy | Everyone can think what they want, but calling someone dummy in here for recommending netinstall is not recommended. |
| 23:41.02 | vulture | tsume: A netinstall image, and maybe a LiveCD for rescues is fine. Though I don't see what having 47 Ubuntu CDs has to do with any of it. |
| 23:41.10 | cjaymes | beardy, and of course, those errors aren't caught by -p :) |
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| 23:41.24 | thingfish | I have 5 ubuntu CDs and that's 5 too many. |
| 23:41.27 | blondie | tsume: CDs are a pita |
| 23:41.30 | z36ra | netinst is the only way |
| 23:41.38 | PerfDave | I prefer full CD installs. You spend more time downloading the ISO, but you can do other stuff wile you're downloading an ISO. You spend less time between booting the install CD and having a featureful working system. |
| 23:41.40 | blondie | netinst is the true way |
| 23:41.48 | tsume | vulture: well.. 47 packages of ubuntu, has a install and livecd. I don't know of a degbian livecd, unless I'm blind. and Knoppix I don't want ;) |
| 23:41.50 | thingfish | well, for those of us on dialup, our options are limited. |
| 23:41.51 | blondie | PerfDave: I don't |
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| 23:42.01 | tsume | blondie: we also have 54 speed cd drives in america |
| 23:42.08 | PerfDave | I've netinstalled Debian and it's just too damn slow for my liking. Also you have stuff like kernel source available with a full CD. |
| 23:42.10 | tsume | blondie: we aren't stuck in 1991 with 1 speed cd roms |
| 23:42.13 | thingfish | trolls? Ooh good, I'm hungry for some BBQ'd troll. |
| 23:42.15 | blondie | tsume: how very High Tech |
| 23:42.25 | vulture | tsume: There isn't one. That's my point: When it comes to actual, real, Debian why would you have anything but a netinstall CD? |
| 23:42.35 | vulture | Granted there are reasons to have things other than Debian. |
| 23:42.37 | z36ra | does anyone know whay kdevelop doesnt show up in dpkg -l kdevelop*? |
| 23:42.39 | thingfish | I install from the DVD set. It's nice. |
| 23:42.47 | blondie | I run apt-proxy |
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| 23:42.53 | blondie | saves lots of time |
| 23:42.54 | tsume | vulture: to have everything on a cd and ready. |
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| 23:43.01 | beardy | Every machine doesn't have <insert hardware>. |
| 23:43.01 | blondie | without having to burn 50 CDs |
| 23:43.02 | tsume | vulture: saves time to have everything on a cd |
| 23:43.09 | blondie | tsume: no it doesn't |
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| 23:43.24 | blondie | you have to find the CD |
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| 23:43.25 | dserban | Hrrm, why does irssi always tell me i'm in debian-overflow? :/ |
| 23:43.30 | tsume | blondie: yes it does, I've 3mb/512 where I am now. a install cd wont take that long |
| 23:43.37 | thingfish | Let's all take over Berkeley like it's the 60's and make them install Debian. |
| 23:43.37 | tsume | blondie: then again, I guess you are on 56k still |
| 23:43.44 | drivamgr2006 | The problem with doing a netinst is when you have a connection like mine, ADSL (PPPoE) which packet drops like hell. It took me 2 tries to netinst debian. |
| 23:43.47 | blondie | tsume: nope, I have a gigabit internet connection |
| 23:43.49 | vulture | tsume: If you're downloading it - why bother when you could just grab packages on demand? |
| 23:43.52 | drivamgr2006 | I still prefer netinst though |
| 23:43.52 | UncleD | blondie, how is finding the cd some sort of challenge. |
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| 23:43.58 | kuraia | hi all |
| 23:44.04 | z36ra | good god what a waste of bandwidth-talking about installation methods. |
| 23:44.06 | TGoC | OMG i feel stupid |
| 23:44.08 | tsume | vulture: becuse I want a large selection of available packages when I install |
| 23:44.08 | blondie | UncleD: because I have too many and they aren't well organised |
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| 23:44.12 | vulture | Use less bandwidth, get up-to-date packages (ok, if you're using Woody or Sarge.. maybe.. just maybe, but unlikely). |
| 23:44.12 | TGoC | i can't even get squirrelmail working :@ |
| 23:44.21 | beardy | z36ra: Well said. |
| 23:44.22 | vulture | tsume: They are available - on Teh Intarweb. |
| 23:44.29 | nosklo | my connection is still 300kbps so cds are welcome here |
| 23:44.34 | thingfish | speaking of squirrels, I had to chase one out of my house earlier today. |
| 23:44.36 | blondie | tsume: there's a debian mirror on my network, why would I need poxy CDs? |
| 23:44.41 | tsume | okay okay, I've heard enough ill comments from this channel. |
| 23:44.46 | blondie | tsume: yes get OUT |
| 23:44.51 | blondie | trollboy |
| 23:44.54 | thingfish | oh tsume, you haven't heard the start of it. |
| 23:44.54 | tsume | blondie: that is completely different |
| 23:44.56 | vulture | tsume: In any case - most people here agree that downloading the packages when you want them is overall more efficient than downloading whole images (let alone the whole CD set) for an installation. |
| 23:45.01 | trollboy | blondie |
| 23:45.05 | beardy | tsume: Your comments are not less ill than others. |
| 23:45.05 | tsume | thingfish: I know how this channel can be, which is why I never come here |
| 23:45.07 | blondie | er |
| 23:45.10 | blondie | trollboy: not you! |
| 23:45.11 | z36ra | can someone answer my ligit question? |
| 23:45.14 | trollboy | how rude |
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| 23:45.26 | melao- | does debian support NFSv4? |
| 23:45.26 | blondie | tsume: stop trolling then |
| 23:45.27 | odla | z36ra: is it too legit to quit? |
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| 23:45.28 | thingfish | tsume: really, it's better than it used to be. But no linux channel likes silliness. |
| 23:45.30 | blondie | trollboy: sorry |
| 23:45.37 | vulture | tsume: Not that the images are without value - but certainly that it's common, and not unreasonable, to advocate netinstalls over images. |
| 23:45.39 | trollboy | racial slurs no less |
| 23:45.40 | tsume | thingfish: you are kidding me. |
| 23:45.42 | UncleD | that's pretty funny - trollboy got kicked. |
| 23:45.47 | UncleD | i mean told to leave |
| 23:45.48 | odla | z36ra: what's your question? |
| 23:45.49 | UncleD | and he said nothing! |
| 23:45.54 | z36ra | does anyone know whay kdevelop doesnt show up in dpkg -l kdevelop*? |
| 23:45.56 | tsume | thingfish: I've lurked in here from a proxy nick for the past 5 years, it is no different |
| 23:45.57 | z36ra | I cant locate kdevelop on etch- any suggestions? does it have a new name? |
| 23:46.03 | trollboy | not all trolls get online and start trouble, some of us peacefully live under bridges and eat children |
| 23:46.06 | tsume | thingfish: the only thing different is less bans I see from cafuego. |
| 23:46.11 | odla | z36ra: have you tried www.debian.org |
| 23:46.12 | blondie | trollboy: haha |
| 23:46.18 | drivamgr2006 | z36ra: which repo are you using? |
| 23:46.22 | z36ra | etch |
| 23:46.23 | thingfish | tsume: sure it is. I've been here darn near every hour for the past year, and it's changed plenty. |
| 23:46.29 | blondie | tsume: why don't you stop stirring up trouble? |
| 23:46.35 | thingfish | well, cafuego is deprecated. |
| 23:46.37 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:46.41 | UncleD | ok - so dpkg is totally down - 10 minutes no response. anyone want to tell me what he says when i msg him with debian install |
| 23:46.44 | odla | z36ra: i know that there have been some problems with kde3.4 in etch because of a gcc migration or something |
| 23:46.46 | tsume | thingfish: IRC is IRC, they are still the same. People who view IRC just change ;) |
| 23:46.58 | odla | UncleD: how are you trying to install debian? |
| 23:46.59 | tsume | thingfish: you've been desensitized to #debian :) |
| 23:47.01 | beardy | It has changed alot. In which direction I am unceirtain, perhaps back and forth.. |
| 23:47.04 | UncleD | odla: i want to download the cd |
| 23:47.11 | tsume | UncleD: say net install or be trolled |
| 23:47.15 | thingfish | not true, tsume. This channel used to be full of assholes, and it's just not anymore. |
| 23:47.18 | tsume | UncleD: oh damn it |
| 23:47.18 | jdhutchin1 | UncleD, try apt, it's a bot similar to dpkg |
| 23:47.23 | z36ra | sounds reasonable... the sid version wants to install a bunch of other crud |
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| 23:47.33 | tsume | thingfish: well.. I haven't seen the rtfm assholes for the past while. |
| 23:47.34 | UncleD | can someone just tell me how to download the image to burn on a cd? :) |
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| 23:47.45 | nosklo | UncleD, cdimage.debian.org |
| 23:47.46 | tsume | UncleD: privmsg :P |
| 23:47.47 | thingfish | rtfm = asshole-tude? |
| 23:47.48 | beardy | UncleD: Go to debian.org |
| 23:47.51 | thingfish | since when? |
| 23:47.51 | kuraia | hi i want to execute sudo like a normal user |
| 23:47.56 | kuraia | how can i do it? |
| 23:48.07 | diana | I have apache/mysql/php installed and running fine on localhost...I have cpanel installed also...but when I http://localhost/cpanel it doesn't work. |
| 23:48.08 | tsume | thingfish: yeah, I remember viewing my logs, and there be about 400 rtfm in a day |
| 23:48.10 | blondie | UncleD: download the netinst image, and save time :p |
| 23:48.15 | diana | Do the default settings not set it up right? |
| 23:48.15 | thingfish | kuraia: you're on ubuntu, aren't you. |
| 23:48.26 | kuraia | yes i'm in ubuntu thingfish |
| 23:48.27 | nosklo | kuraia, configure your sudo |
| 23:48.32 | gnube | thingfish: be nice, Ubuntu is still debian. :^) |
| 23:48.32 | gravity | kuraia: #ubuntu |
| 23:48.33 | dserban | I miss greycat |
| 23:48.36 | blondie | kuraia: ask in #ubuntu |
| 23:48.36 | UncleD | blondie: doesn't that assume knowing all the packages to install? |
| 23:48.39 | kuraia | ok |
| 23:48.43 | thingfish | kuraia: then you need to ask that question in #ubuntu. |
| 23:48.43 | odla | some folks use sudo with debian |
| 23:48.49 | drivamgr2006 | z36ra: I been though the development section on pdo in the testing repo and its not there under any name... I am kinda confused. |
| 23:48.55 | blondie | UncleD: no, it'll ask you what kinda stuff you want |
| 23:48.57 | thingfish | ~lart odla |
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| 23:49.03 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:49.04 | blondie | and then download just that, rather than everything |
| 23:49.10 | Andy3829 | how can i chmod to a dir to make it write |
| 23:49.12 | gravity | odla: Some people who run debian like porn. Doesn't mean it's on-topic. |
| 23:49.13 | gnube | kuria: what do you mean "like a normal user"? |
| 23:49.29 | tsume | UncleD: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 23:49.32 | beardy | blondie: Let him have what he wants. |
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| 23:49.45 | gnube | Andy3829: You mean make it writable? |
| 23:49.46 | cjaymes | gravity, we all know you're a porn star, stop showing off |
| 23:49.46 | thingfish | ooh porn. can we switch the topic to "Ian Murdock naked - wanna see, or not?" |
| 23:49.48 | Andy3829 | yeah |
| 23:49.50 | gravity | heh |
| 23:49.52 | odla | but what if he was running sudo in debian |
| 23:49.58 | odla | then it would be on-topic |
| 23:49.58 | gravity | odla: He's not |
| 23:49.59 | odla | ;) |
| 23:50.02 | beardy | ~cdimage |
| 23:50.03 | apt | beardy, cdimage.debian.org mirror at: http://www.uk.debian.org/debian-cd/ -- or if you just want to install debian, it is not recommended to download the entire cdimage. Please use the ftp method of installation... |
| 23:50.04 | beardy | there it was |
| 23:50.12 | gravity | You're right though. If it was sudo on Debian that's totally on-topic |
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| 23:50.19 | Andy3829 | gnube: yeah |
| 23:50.25 | diana | !cpanel |
| 23:50.30 | gnube | Andy3829: Do you own the directory? You may want to use chown first. |
| 23:50.36 | rredd4 | should i upgrade my kernel? I have 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 23:50.42 | rredd4 | how |
| 23:50.43 | gnube | do an ls -l on the dir |
| 23:50.43 | drivamgr2006 | diana - dpkg isnt working atm... |
| 23:50.44 | UncleD | if I want the entire cd image, which cd .iso file is best to grab for i386? |
| 23:50.45 | tsume | UncleD: there is a DCD as well |
| 23:50.46 | thingfish | rredd4: gawd yes. |
| 23:50.46 | kspath | apt-cache search rtfm ? |
| 23:50.48 | diana | hmm |
| 23:50.49 | tsume | *DVD |
| 23:50.50 | Andy3829 | gnube: ii own it |
| 23:50.51 | cjaymes | I'm mildly embarassed to say I don't really know what ubuntu is |
| 23:50.54 | diana | I have apache/mysql/php installed and running fine on localhost...I have cpanel installed also...but when I http://localhost/cpanel it doesn't work. |
| 23:50.56 | UncleD | tsume, no cd burner here. |
| 23:50.58 | UncleD | dvd rather |
| 23:50.58 | z36ra | ADIOS |
| 23:50.59 | tsume | UncleD: actually a couple DVDs :) |
| 23:51.01 | odla | i just used visudo earlier today to set up some permissions so that i can shutdown and reboot from icewm |
| 23:51.03 | thingfish | ~win cjaymes |
| 23:51.05 | apt | Congratulations, cjaymes! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 23:51.05 | tsume | UncleD: oh. |
| 23:51.05 | beardy | rredd4: Install another kernel-image package. |
| 23:51.06 | gnube | Andy3829: And you cannot write files in it? |
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| 23:51.08 | diana | What do I need to change for http://localhost/cpanel to work? |
| 23:51.09 | cjaymes | I've seen it a lot, but I just don't care :) |
| 23:51.11 | Andy3829 | correct |
| 23:51.18 | Andy3829 | its for a script to write files |
| 23:51.26 | blondie | tsume: you have DVDs in the US? we don't have them in the rest of the world :( |
| 23:51.31 | thingfish | cjaymes: it is a nasty little offshoot distro. nothing will come of it. |
| 23:51.35 | Andy3829 | gnube: its for a script to write files |
| 23:51.38 | rredd4 | beardy: what do i type please |
| 23:51.38 | odla | gravity: thanks for 6.9 btw! it runs great on sarge |
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| 23:51.42 | gnube | Andy3829 Is the script chmod'd? |
| 23:51.45 | thingfish | tacky. ubuntu is just tacky. |
| 23:51.46 | gravity | odla: Glad to hear it :-) |
| 23:51.50 | Andy3829 | no? |
| 23:51.52 | tsume | blondie: I use DVD-RAM often ;) |
| 23:51.52 | cjaymes | thingfish, is it one of those compile from source type things? |
| 23:51.55 | gravity | I've got to fix that one conflict with xlibs-data |
| 23:51.59 | beardy | rredd4: Don't you know how to install packages? |
| 23:52.03 | kspath | apt-get install thefreemanual-rtfm2 |
| 23:52.03 | UncleD | what's the difference between binary1 and binary2? |
| 23:52.04 | tsume | blondie: good ol 9 USD DVDs |
| 23:52.07 | gravity | But first, get it building everywhere |
| 23:52.08 | thingfish | eew no, even worse. it pretends to be Debian. |
| 23:52.17 | gnube | Andy3829: To execute a script it needs to be 755 so do this; chmod 755 myscript.sh |
| 23:52.28 | Andy3829 | na, its PHP |
| 23:52.29 | rredd4 | beardy: its been a while, sorry |
| 23:52.30 | orchid | what keyboard option under xorg should I use for an Apple usb kb with Debian x86, ive tried the "macintosh" option but it dosent recognize F13-16 |
| 23:52.41 | rredd4 | been stuck in win land.. |
| 23:52.43 | hammerabi | diana: depends. if it's installed to /var/www/, nothing. if not, add an Alias line to the apache config. |
| 23:52.44 | Andy3829 | gnube: its php |
| 23:52.46 | gnube | Andy3829: well php does not need to be executable |
| 23:52.46 | thingfish | orchid: maybe they'll know in #debian-ppc |
| 23:52.49 | beardy | UncleD: Everything? It comes on two DVD:s, if that is what you want. |
| 23:52.50 | tsume | thingfish: actually, this channel is behaving today. I haven't heard rtfm for a while |
| 23:52.53 | UncleD | 31-r1-i386-binary(1|2).torrent -- what is the difference? |
| 23:53.00 | thingfish | rtfm! rtfm! |
| 23:53.04 | gnube | rtfm! |
| 23:53.09 | orchid | thingfish: hmm maybe, ok thanks |
| 23:53.10 | Andy3829 | gnube: it needs to write to a folder! |
| 23:53.11 | thingfish | rtfm, you bastards. |
| 23:53.14 | kspath | rtfm WAR! |
| 23:53.20 | drivamgr2006 | :) |
| 23:53.21 | UncleD | where can i find the rtfm manual? |
| 23:53.25 | thingfish | ooh whales. |
| 23:53.26 | cjaymes | my rtfm is bigger than yours |
| 23:53.28 | thingfish | they're sexy. |
| 23:53.32 | bbrazil | UncleD: bofh-manpages |
| 23:53.37 | gnube | Andy3829: Then the folder needs to be owned by the php file! |
| 23:53.45 | tsume | thingfish: whale blubber with skin |
| 23:53.49 | thingfish | I wouldn't eat whale. There's lots of things I'd eat, but whale is not one of them. |
| 23:53.52 | UncleD | wich man pages explains accessing the the bofh-manpages? |
| 23:53.53 | gnube | Andy3829: Who owns the folder? |
| 23:53.58 | Andy3829 | dont know :S |
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| 23:53.58 | tsume | thingfish: I *LOVE* whale |
| 23:54.03 | thingfish | I've heard that's a delicacy, tsume. |
| 23:54.03 | Andy3829 | gnube: dont know! |
| 23:54.07 | tsume | thingfish: I love it so much I'll eat them. |
| 23:54.07 | gnube | doood! |
| 23:54.14 | kspath | apt-get install rm-rf_usr_bin |
| 23:54.18 | thingfish | ok, if it's that good, I'll try it. fuck it. |
| 23:54.20 | bbrazil | UncleD: man man |
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| 23:54.27 | UncleD | woman woman |
| 23:54.30 | gnube | thingfish is too bony for me, too . . . um, fishy. |
| 23:54.34 | thingfish | tsume: how do you cook it? |
| 23:54.40 | tsume | thingfish: you eat it raw |
| 23:54.46 | UncleD | blubbbber |
| 23:54.48 | gnube | whale sushi |
| 23:54.50 | thingfish | hmm, well, ok. |
| 23:54.53 | UncleD | sashimi |
| 23:54.54 | UncleD | sushi is on rice |
| 23:55.00 | thingfish | whatever, serve me up some. |
| 23:55.06 | gnube | well aren't we the gourmand |
| 23:55.11 | tsume | UncleD: sushi is rice, "stuff" just comes with it ;) |
| 23:55.20 | thingfish | no, just hungry and willing to experiment. |
| 23:55.25 | gnube | like onagi! |
| 23:55.30 | thingfish | what's onagi? |
| 23:55.34 | gnube | eel |
| 23:55.39 | thingfish | it's japanese, it must be good. |
| 23:55.40 | gravity | yum |
| 23:55.42 | rredd4 | beardy: i know how to apt-get install, can i do that with the kernel? |
| 23:55.43 | gnube | smoked cooked eel. |
| 23:55.48 | gravity | i <3 onagi |
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| 23:55.50 | thingfish | ooh, I love that sweet smoked eel they serve. |
| 23:55.58 | gnube | my wife likes it, I can't tolerate the stuff. |
| 23:56.02 | nkuttler | rredd4: yes, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 23:56.02 | thingfish | tsk |
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| 23:56.10 | Pixel83 | instead of discussing whale recipes, can someone please tell me why my fresh debian "testing" isntallation crases the very moment I try to access a sound device? |
| 23:56.14 | rredd4 | ty!!! |
| 23:56.16 | gnube | no |
| 23:56.19 | Pixel83 | :( |
| 23:56.30 | thingfish | Pixel83: how about you not install a testing version, and install Sarge. |
| 23:56.31 | gnube | THIS CHANNEL IS FOR DISCUSSING OBSCURE FOOD! |
| 23:56.36 | gnube | sheesh. |
| 23:56.51 | tsume | did you see the tempura USB keychain? |
| 23:56.52 | kspath | kimchi? |
| 23:56.55 | tsume | http://japundit.com/images/tempura.jpg |
| 23:56.57 | thingfish | Pixel83: because the feeling is, if you install testing or unstable, you know how to fix the broken things. |
| 23:57.03 | gravity | Pixel83: What sort of crash do you get? |
| 23:57.13 | Pixel83 | gravity, a complete one |
| 23:57.16 | tsume | those USB pens look good to eat! :) |
| 23:57.20 | Pixel83 | -> reset switch |
| 23:57.22 | gravity | Pixel83: What kernel are you running? |
| 23:57.25 | thingfish | tsume: are you japanese? |
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| 23:57.35 | tsume | thingfish: iie |
| 23:57.36 | Pixel83 | I installed the current (weekly) iso |
| 23:57.41 | thingfish | iie? |
| 23:57.49 | tsume | nein, no, negative |
| 23:57.50 | odla | Pixel83: testing or unstable? |
| 23:57.52 | thingfish | oh |
| 23:57.52 | RichiH | !iie |
| 23:57.53 | gravity | Pixel83: uname -a will tell you the kernel version |
| 23:57.58 | Andy3829 | gnube: how can i change it to like 666 then? |
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| 23:58.05 | odla | sorry |
| 23:58.07 | odla | testing |
| 23:58.07 | Pixel83 | well, before that I had stable, but it failed to find my net card |
| 23:58.13 | thingfish | tsk RichiH hehe |
| 23:58.14 | gnube | Andy3829: The same way, chmod 666 folder |
| 23:58.16 | gravity | ... |
| 23:58.18 | RichiH | ?test |
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| 23:58.21 | thingfish | dpkg has passed out already. |
| 23:58.23 | RichiH | ~test |
| 23:58.25 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 23:58.28 | beardy | rredd4: You use apt-get or aptitude to install packages. Aptitude is nice because you see the package descriptions directly, and it can be used the same way as apt-get too. 'apt-get install packagename', or 'aptitude install packagename', or use aptitude interactively. |
| 23:58.32 | RichiH | at least apt is there |
| 23:58.35 | RichiH | sheesh |
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| 23:58.41 | odla | why not install sarge and upgrade to etch? |
| 23:58.42 | gnube | Andy3829: But it needs to be owned by the script. Look in the log files, apache should have some info for you. |
| 23:58.42 | thingfish | dpkg rented some porn and is *busy* in its bedroom. |
| 23:58.49 | Pixel83 | 2.6.12-1-686 |
| 23:58.50 | foot | ive installed a firefox plugin that isnt allowing firefox to start. Anyone know where firefox stores these, and how I could hand-delete it? |
| 23:58.52 | beardy | rredd4: Read their manpages. |
| 23:58.53 | gnube | what is dpkg porn? |
| 23:59.06 | thingfish | oh, you don't want to know, gnube. |
| 23:59.09 | gnube | like, Saucy Bits and Bytes? |
| 23:59.12 | thingfish | filthy, foul stuff. |
| 23:59.17 | gnube | eww |
| 23:59.18 | gravity | Pixel83: Ok. You may want to try an alternate kernel version. Either an older version (maybe 2.6.8 from stable or 2.6.14 from unstable) |
| 23:59.23 | UncleD | United States: debian.mirrors.tds.net: is down. |
| 23:59.39 | gnube | the United States is down. |
| 23:59.51 | Pixel83 | hm, so how do I do that? |
| 23:59.54 | UncleD | Is this the right file: debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso ? |
