| 00:00.29 | whatever | bsims: does starting the program up again, and then exiting fix it? |
| 00:00.36 | [sr] | ei |
| 00:00.41 | [sr] | amd64 slot is? |
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| 00:00.57 | nanok_ | 754/939/940 |
| 00:01.10 | whatever | amd64 is 939 |
| 00:01.13 | whatever | opteron is 940 |
| 00:01.26 | nanok_ | 754=soon_to_be_dead |
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| 00:01.31 | [sr] | hum |
| 00:01.32 | whatever | 754 is 939 hacked to bits |
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| 00:01.45 | bsims | whatever: not tried that |
| 00:01.53 | abrotman | right .. #hardware it is! |
| 00:01.54 | [sr] | whatever, amd sempron is slot? just to know so that i wont be fooled |
| 00:02.04 | kspath | I wish they would come out with a 5000 pin and just be done with it |
| 00:02.16 | kspath | I know there is a lot more to it |
| 00:02.29 | whatever | [sr]: sempron is socket 754. only buy socket 939 |
| 00:02.30 | kspath | << studied EECS and physics |
| 00:02.32 | nanok_ | abrotman is right.. i think that should do... |
| 00:02.58 | [sr] | cool, tks for that :) |
| 00:03.01 | bsims | whatever: nope no joy |
| 00:03.03 | kspath | abrotman: you use linda or lintian ? |
| 00:03.16 | whatever | bsims: doh |
| 00:03.17 | abrotman | kspath: i would never use a woman! |
| 00:03.27 | [sr] | tham |
| 00:03.27 | kspath | abrotman: you abuse linda or lintian ? |
| 00:03.39 | [sr] | the gigabyte board doesnt have pciE graphics |
| 00:03.53 | abrotman | [sr]: #hardware ? |
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| 00:04.12 | [sr] | no one talks there :p |
| 00:04.21 | abrotman | you and whatever can have a great conversation there :) |
| 00:04.23 | whatever | [sr]: yeah, a lot of that stuff is really user choice, no one can really pick that stuff for you. like they were saying #hardware channel will probably have people who can tell you what rigs to go with |
| 00:04.34 | whatever | abrotman: hey. :P |
| 00:04.35 | kspath | sr: at least no one will contradict anything you say there |
| 00:04.48 | bsims | whatever: hrm is there a better group to ask this in? |
| 00:04.55 | abrotman | whatever: i'm just pointing out .. there's a whole channel for that kind of talk |
| 00:04.55 | nanok_ | [sr]: i should think it would be fair to come back after making a hardware selection, asking about linux/debian compatibility. at most |
| 00:05.10 | [sr] | come on prople |
| 00:05.26 | [sr] | im not asking this for making my selection by your words |
| 00:05.39 | [sr] | just wanna hear some opinions and then make my choice |
| 00:05.54 | kspath | sr: did you hear what was said? |
| 00:06.08 | [sr] | yes |
| 00:06.11 | ke6isf | [sr]: Asking for opinions on hardware is like asking for opinions on text editors. You're never going to get a straight answer. |
| 00:06.15 | whatever | bsims: wouldn't know, sorry dude. I guess you could also check documentation to see where the program defaultly stores its temp files. or ask on the developers forum/ mailing list |
| 00:06.25 | kspath | sr: run your log of channel against a text->speech app in debian linux and enjoy |
| 00:06.53 | kspath | vi always vi or vim or ... |
| 00:07.14 | nanok_ | kspath: don't do that.. |
| 00:07.16 | nanok_ | :) |
| 00:07.16 | whatever | ke6isf: vi forever |
| 00:07.28 | ke6isf | whatever: ED IS THE STANDARD EDITOR. |
| 00:07.32 | beardy | !start a cpu war |
| 00:07.32 | dpkg | Here's a nickel, kid. Go buy yourself a PA-RISC1.0 |
| 00:07.33 | whatever | lol |
| 00:07.35 | abrotman | ke6isf: IT IS? |
| 00:07.41 | ke6isf | !start an editor war |
| 00:07.41 | dpkg | nvi doesn't deserve to be in red hat |
| 00:07.53 | [sr] | epeople |
| 00:07.55 | ke6isf | Red hat?! How'd that get in there! |
| 00:07.56 | [sr] | im going to sleep |
| 00:07.57 | kspath | emacsians have taken our holy city lets go there and slaughter everyone even those with beliefs like our |
| 00:07.57 | whatever | "RISC architecture is going to change everything. Risk is good." |
| 00:08.00 | whatever | nite [sr] |
| 00:08.03 | beardy | !start a distro war |
| 00:08.03 | dpkg | Rock 0wnz! |
| 00:08.29 | [sr] | tks :P |
| 00:08.31 | VPR5703 | hmm |
| 00:09.04 | whatever | gosh.....how the hell can a battery have -1331mAH capacity |
| 00:09.13 | justice_ | lol |
| 00:09.16 | ke6isf | abrotman: Of course! It has such a small footprint on a Timex Sinclair 1000! =^_^= |
| 00:09.20 | kspath | emacs the OS/file manager that pretends to be an editor |
| 00:09.20 | nanok_ | whatever: by being small.. |
| 00:09.21 | nanok_ | :P |
| 00:09.22 | whatever | and AFTER 'smart battery auto-learning' it has -1587mAH |
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| 00:09.35 | whatever | stupid ass laptop, never buy a gateway! |
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| 00:09.43 | justice_ | of course not |
| 00:09.48 | justice_ | that's why i got IBM :) |
| 00:09.55 | whatever | I hear those are great |
| 00:10.01 | kspath | India Business Machines |
| 00:10.01 | beardy | !end all wars |
| 00:10.02 | dpkg | Cease fire! It all ends now. Just stfu everyone. |
| 00:10.02 | justice_ | they truly are |
| 00:10.03 | abrotman | ibm makes/made great laptops |
| 00:10.05 | whatever | ...hardware talks in #debian are always great |
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| 00:10.30 | airox | whatever |
| 00:10.55 | whatever | I have to admit I like hp/compaq laptops |
| 00:10.56 | nanok_ | they do, but they sometimes find a really nice and jolly way to fuck everything up when it was all going so nifty |
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| 00:11.00 | whatever | those things are indestructable |
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| 00:11.19 | nanok_ | whatever: you've never laid your hands on a thinkpad i take it.. |
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| 00:11.28 | justice_ | <- T23 and never going to sell it |
| 00:11.36 | whatever | nanok_: I have. |
| 00:11.42 | justice_ | nanok_ he he |
| 00:11.57 | whatever | nanok_: never owned one. |
| 00:12.02 | nanok_ | whatever: though compaq/hp are probably the next on the list, i admit |
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| 00:12.42 | kspath | There are MilSpec laptops out there if you have TONS of cash those are REALLY and truly durable |
| 00:12.48 | whatever | so yeah....software raid. >_< no one has, or knows where to get some good documentation on system overhead? |
| 00:12.56 | nanok_ | justice_: 770, never will sell it, ofc (not that it would be possible, how many crazy fruitcakes like me can you expect to find, to buy such thing :) |
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| 00:13.25 | Wyzard|TP | nanok_: I have one of those, though its battery doesn't work anymore |
| 00:13.31 | whatever | kspath: yeah, I like to be able to double my laptop as also a personal weapon of bashing.... and sometime slashing damage if I can eject the CD tray |
| 00:13.34 | nanok_ | kspath: yeah, nice. i myself like cheap, old, faithfull ibm thinkpads |
| 00:13.35 | nanok_ | :) |
| 00:14.03 | nanok_ | Wyzard|TP: yeah, mine wont charge, and, the sadest of all: i lack the hdd caddy.. |
| 00:14.14 | kspath | I prefer my debian in a rack mount or server case |
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| 00:14.23 | nanok_ | Wyzard|TP: the hdd caddy is where ibm really fucked up on the 770 series.. |
| 00:14.37 | Wyzard|TP | nanok_: that weird sideways thing? :-) |
| 00:14.40 | nanok_ | they almost acted like sony building /designing that.. :( |
| 00:15.19 | Wyzard|TP | nanok_: I have a hard time imagining how you'd have the laptop but not its HD caddy, though |
| 00:15.29 | nanok_ | Wyzard|TP: yup, with a proprietary plug no less. you either have that or you can toss your 40G travelstar to the trash.. |
| 00:15.47 | whatever | is that RELEASED: link up top in the topic for the latest stable boot image? |
| 00:15.58 | Wyzard|TP | nanok_: You can probably find one on eBay |
| 00:16.04 | whatever | nanok_: oh gosh.... deathstar? |
| 00:16.24 | ke6isf | whatever: Yep. See the web link. |
| 00:16.34 | whatever | ke6ifs: ty |
| 00:16.40 | whatever | IBM and their deathstar series.... |
| 00:16.46 | paces | gn people |
| 00:16.47 | nanok_ | Wyzard|TP: i bought it w/o the hdd, it was said to have been decomissioned by fbi or smth like that, gov. orgs do not leave the hdds inside, usually.. |
| 00:16.52 | justice_ | nanok lol @ fruitcakes part :) |
| 00:16.53 | whatever | nte paces |
| 00:16.56 | Wyzard|TP | nanok_: ah |
| 00:17.39 | Wyzard|TP | nanok_: Well, a 770 with a nonfunctional battery isn't exactly a useful computer these days anyway |
| 00:18.22 | robin_sz | better than an abacus ... |
| 00:18.29 | Wyzard|TP | nanok_: I have a used T20 that I got on eBay a little over a year ago, and more recently, a new Z60m that just arrived a few days ago |
| 00:18.35 | justice_ | how about T23 with ultrabay2000 2nd hdd :) |
| 00:18.41 | whatever | ke6isf: that link is messed up. heh |
| 00:18.54 | whatever | robin_sz: abacuses rule. at least they make you use your mind |
| 00:18.55 | ke6isf | whatever: messed up? How so? |
| 00:19.10 | whatever | k36isf: it takes me to some HP shopping page that the link isn't found. lol |
| 00:19.11 | nanok_ | justice_: well, running on a 233mhz in the era of graphics cards with more power than that makes one a good impersonation of the expression, being happy about it also, makes no doubt about it left.. :) |
| 00:19.11 | nanok_ | Wyzard|TP: i would probably find one on ebay, i would have to get the cash first though ;) |
| 00:19.52 | Wyzard|TP | nanok_: FWIW, the T20 cost me $345 USD, including shipping |
| 00:20.15 | ke6isf | whatever: What URL are you putting in your browser? |
| 00:20.19 | justice_ | nanok_ lol |
| 00:20.29 | whatever | xrl.us/jayp |
| 00:20.37 | Eno_ | Is there a way I can use amixer or another commandline program without a curses interface to raise the volume a little at a time (e.g. plus 5) instead of having to said an absolute volume (e.g. 30%)? |
| 00:20.38 | nanok_ | Wyzard|TP: i think i saw some myself. not in my league for now (and also, i really _am_ happy with this old machine, to be honest :) |
| 00:20.38 | justice_ | Wyzard T23 cost me exactly same, you paid too much :) |
| 00:20.38 | robin_sz | whatever: and, when you don't need your abacus, you can burn it for useful heat |
| 00:20.55 | ke6isf | whatever: Goes to the mailing list archive for me. Try copy and paste. |
| 00:20.57 | nanok_ | justice_: not really, depends |
| 00:21.08 | justice_ | nanok: go for T23, you will love it |
| 00:21.10 | whatever | robin_sz: lol ....but it will be hard to keep track of what you're burning cause you'll have nothing to count with |
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| 00:21.26 | nanok_ | justice_: i think i know them, i do agree |
| 00:21.33 | justice_ | nanok 1.1ghz cant hurt |
| 00:21.49 | whatever | ke61sf: eh, I'm using trillians builtin IRC client, I can't really do that. : / |
| 00:21.55 | Wyzard|TP | I'm just happy to finally have a laptop with integrated wireless and 3D |
| 00:22.01 | robin_sz | whatever: good poitn. perhapos we need some GNU abacus counting software to count burning abacuses with? |
| 00:22.07 | whatever | gosh, I need to cut my hands off, they won't type what I want them to |
| 00:22.14 | ke6isf | whatever: Trillian?! Dude, use xchat. |
| 00:22.25 | whatever | robin_sz: sounds good to me |
| 00:22.29 | nanok_ | justice_: i have seen reports of running almost 5hours on the 770, std battery, on linux. i will have that and leave the GHz's at home ;) |
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| 00:22.46 | whatever | ke6isf: I'm lazy, I can use all my instant messaging programs and IRC in one program. :P |
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| 00:23.10 | jason^ | o |
| 00:23.15 | Irrumator | Hi. Is anyone else having problems with nautilus slowing everything down after the latest X upgrade? |
| 00:23.25 | riot | can anyone point me to a linux quake1-client? I can't find any sources/debs using google |
| 00:23.37 | jason^ | i'm trying to use a testing cd, and it says that it can't find my cdrom drive. i'm using a thinkpad t43p, is there something i can do to get it to work? |
| 00:23.38 | justice_ | Wyzard agreed, didnt know that T20 comes with wifi though... |
| 00:23.38 | justice_ | nanok_ that sounds great, got to see mine, 4000mah battery :) |
| 00:23.41 | Wyzard|TP | riot: Search www.apt-get.org for "quakeworld" |
| 00:23.51 | Wyzard|TP | justice_: No, I'm talking about my new Z60m |
| 00:23.56 | riot | Wyzard|TP: thank you :) i didn't really think about qw :) |
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| 00:24.06 | ke6isf | !tell jason^ -about laptops |
| 00:24.15 | kspath | whatever: did you try naim ? |
| 00:24.24 | ke6isf | whatever: Or gaim. |
| 00:24.36 | Wyzard|TP | riot: "Original Quake" is a DOS executable which does graphics by direct manipulation of the VGA card... QuakeWorld is a modified version which uses OpenGL so it can run on OSes other than DOS |
| 00:24.38 | riot | Wyzard|TP: wooo!! i didn't know apt-get.org.. big thanks for that hint :D |
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| 00:24.44 | Lord_Athur | hi all |
| 00:24.46 | nanok_ | whatever: or anything but trillian, for heavens sake |
| 00:24.48 | nanok_ | :) |
| 00:24.53 | whatever | ke6isf: I don't like gaim, its very .....uncharasmatic. |
| 00:25.00 | Lord_Athur | I've got a problem mounting a file |
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| 00:25.08 | Lord_Athur | look at it : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6471 |
| 00:25.17 | riot | Wyzard|TP: yeah, i've seen the gl-ports on windoze and its source-code already, but i did actually not know that someone ported quakeworld :) |
| 00:25.17 | ke6isf | Lord_Athur: Ask in #ubuntu. |
| 00:25.37 | riot | makes everything pretty simple, i guess.. finally q1 on this box :D |
| 00:25.41 | Lord_Athur | ke6isf, in ubuntu nobody know it |
| 00:25.44 | whatever | mount -t girl /dev/dorm1 /myroom dosen't work. :O |
| 00:25.47 | ke6isf | !they don't know |
| 00:25.47 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 00:25.49 | Lord_Athur | I prefer to ask to a dbian user |
| 00:25.55 | Irrumator | No one? It started after I upgraded X to the latest unstable version. Can't seem to find what causes it, except that it happens less when I use a window manager that doesn't use GTK themes. |
| 00:26.04 | Wyzard|TP | riot: I have it installed on one of my Debian systems so I know the package exists, but it was installed over a year ago so there's a possibility that the repository is no longer there or something |
| 00:26.13 | everett_ | CRAP. I ran make-kpkg without anything else in /usr/src/linux |
| 00:26.14 | Irrumator | By nautilus I mean the desktop manager. |
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| 00:26.16 | ke6isf | Lord_Athur: Well, we're not #ubuntu. See the /topic. Try again there, or ask on their list if they have one. |
| 00:26.24 | everett_ | Where is meh kernel.deb? :D |
| 00:26.35 | Wyzard|TP | Irrumator: Nautilus seems fine to me, and I'm running the new Xorg 6.9 in unstable |
| 00:26.36 | Mandrig | Which would you guys reccomend, gnome or kde? |
| 00:26.42 | ke6isf | everett_: 'locate kernel.deb'? |
| 00:26.47 | nanok_ | everett_: ../ |
| 00:26.47 | Lord_Athur | ke6isf, why do I have to ask there? |
| 00:26.50 | dondelelcaro | Mandrig: whichever you prefer. We'd probably actually recomend neither. |
| 00:26.55 | Lord_Athur | cannot I ask ehre???? |
| 00:26.56 | dondelelcaro | Lord_Athur: because this isn't #ubuntu. |
| 00:27.04 | Irrumator | Wyzard|TP: It seems to happen only when I rightclick to open the nautilus menu. Which window manager do you use? |
| 00:27.04 | ke6isf | Lord_Athur: Because we're not #ubuntu. Thisi s #debian, we don't support Ubuntu here. |
| 00:27.05 | Lord_Athur | mmm |
| 00:27.07 | robin_sz | Mandrig: GNOME. kde is for bloatware fans and the french |
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| 00:27.16 | Wyzard|TP | Irrumator: Metacity |
| 00:27.35 | Wyzard|TP | Irrumator: I was running GNOME 2.10 up until this afternoon, when I upgrade to the 2.12 stuff that's in experimental... no problems with either |
| 00:27.43 | dondelelcaro | Mandrig: read /topic and refrain from /msg'ing me, please. |
| 00:27.45 | ke6isf | !start a wm war |
| 00:27.45 | dpkg | enlightenment blows chunks! |
| 00:27.48 | Lord_Athur | I'm a debian user who tries to do a metadistro from debian, but my corrent system is kubuntu 5.04 |
| 00:27.53 | Wyzard|TP | Irrumator: The right-click menu doesn't lag at all -- I just checked |
| 00:28.01 | Irrumator | Maybe I should try that, how do I upgrade to those? |
| 00:28.03 | dondelelcaro | Mandrig: I personally don't use either. I use openbox as my WM, and I don't use a DM. |
| 00:28.05 | Lord_Athur | nad I dah the same problem in debian |
| 00:28.22 | whatever | yay for blackbox |
| 00:28.31 | blondie | "nad I dah the same problem in debian" riiiight |
| 00:28.40 | ke6isf | Lord_Athur: You're not fooling anyone. |
| 00:28.41 | justice_ | yay for yays |
| 00:28.44 | blondie | Lord_Athur: are you a real Lord? |
| 00:29.02 | Lord_Athur | no |
| 00:29.03 | Lord_Athur | jajaja |
| 00:29.12 | Lord_Athur | it is only a nick blondie |
| 00:29.19 | blondie | jajaja? |
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| 00:29.25 | whatever | Lord_Athur: are you a real Athur? |
| 00:29.27 | riot | Wyzard|TP: uh, it can't find quakeworld. But quakeforge.. I'm gonna try that one. Looks promising |
| 00:29.29 | dondelelcaro | Lord_Athur: you've got the wrong time of filesystem. Regarldess, we can't support Ubuntu or whatever initrd you're trying to mount through a loopback here. Please go to #ubuntu. You will not be warned again. |
| 00:29.34 | dondelelcaro | s/time/type/ |
| 00:30.13 | Irrumator | Wyzard|TP: That is, upgrade to the 2.12 components of gnome |
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| 00:30.38 | whatever | how long ago was deb 3.1r1 released? |
| 00:30.40 | Lord_Athur | dondelelcaro, ok will leave the cannel |
| 00:30.41 | Lord_Athur | ... |
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| 00:30.51 | blondie | "Abandonando" to you too! |
| 00:31.06 | whatever | lol |
| 00:31.06 | blondie | ha |
| 00:31.11 | ke6isf | whatever: Within the past couple of weeks, IIRC. |
| 00:31.12 | blondie | yeah, they didn't get on :( |
| 00:31.12 | dondelelcaro | whatever: a bit more than a week ago; see the announcement. |
| 00:31.29 | whatever | thanks |
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| 00:31.37 | nanok_ | ke6isf: or the kannel.. or kennel, whatever the fuck that's speled.. |
| 00:31.45 | sammy_ | greetings folds |
| 00:31.47 | sammy_ | greetings folks |
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| 00:31.50 | nanok_ | well, at least the man got the point.. |
| 00:31.53 | ke6isf | What is "abandonando"? |
| 00:31.57 | whatever | everyone is being attacked by typos tonight |
| 00:32.10 | ke6isf | nanok_: True. I was waiting for the classic need for the 'debian based' factoid. |
| 00:32.13 | Wyzard|TP | Irrumator: It's in experimental, but it's a tricky and tedious upgrade |
| 00:32.14 | sammy_ | ke6isf: "leaving" in portuguese |
| 00:32.20 | ke6isf | sammy_: Ah, thank you. |
| 00:32.39 | Wyzard|TP | Irrumator: It's also not likely to be related to your problem -- I was running 2.10 earlier and had no problems with it |
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| 00:33.22 | sammy_ | is it true that there is no flash player for a ia64 linux build (etch, kernel 2.6.14.5)? |
| 00:33.34 | Irrumator | Dunno, willing to try. Tricky and tedious as in some .debs that are needed are missing? |
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| 00:33.51 | kspath | I acnt otyp I ahve speel cheque |
| 00:33.55 | whatever | sammy_: did you try a search with apt? |
| 00:34.09 | ke6isf | Eye halve a spell czech pro graham |
| 00:34.11 | kbrooks | HEY ALL. |
| 00:34.18 | Wyzard|TP | sammy_: I'm pretty sure that's correct |
| 00:34.18 | pusling | hmm.. upgrading locales on sid will remove base-config - I just can't see why. Any clues? (I know base-config is not impartaint, but I would like to know what differs) |
| 00:34.20 | ke6isf | kbrooks: Please don't yell. |
| 00:34.20 | sammy_ | whatever: I tried searching synaptic |
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| 00:34.43 | whatever | sammy_: guess not |
| 00:34.46 | kbrooks | What is the point of synaptic? arent guis dumbed down? |
| 00:34.50 | Wyzard|TP | sammy_: no non-free Macromedia Flash, at least... there are a few free Flash implementations (with various levels of workingness) that have probably been ported |
| 00:35.06 | ke6isf | kbrooks: Some are, some aren't. |
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| 00:35.30 | kbrooks | ke6isf, well, some are simple |
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| 00:35.34 | ke6isf | kbrooks: Be mindful that some GUI design is in for convenience factor. |
| 00:35.45 | kbrooks | ke6isf, too simple |
| 00:35.52 | tuv | why aren't gcc versions managed by the alternatives system? |
| 00:36.11 | whatever | tuv: say what? |
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| 00:36.22 | kbrooks | ke6isf, is that the classical case of "this proggy is too hard" |
| 00:36.40 | tuv | whatever: huh? |
| 00:36.44 | kbrooks | ke6isf, "some guis are too simple", i mean |
| 00:36.48 | nanok_ | kbrooks: "why does it have to be so complicated..." |
| 00:36.59 | nanok_ | kbrooks: with the apropriate "sigh" |
| 00:37.08 | ke6isf | kbrooks: Nah, it's more like a classic case of "I'd rather not type /mode #debian +o me', so I'll use this little Op button here" kinda thing. |
| 00:37.14 | whatever | tuv: alternatives system? |
| 00:37.21 | Wyzard|TP | tuv: I believe it's because the command "gcc" is expected to refer to the current default version chosen by Debian... similar to what's done with Python and some other things |
| 00:37.33 | ke6isf | kbrooks: In short, laziness. =^_^= |
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| 00:38.10 | nanok_ | ke6isf: not really. i for one am so lazy i hate moving my hand from the keyboard to the mouse |
| 00:38.21 | kbrooks | ke6isf, some gui program developers dumb down the gui too much. what would YOU say to them? |
| 00:38.28 | dondelelcaro | tuv: because they're not alternatives. If you want to select one, set CC appropriately. |
| 00:38.35 | ke6isf | kbrooks: Nothing, I just don't know if I'd use their programs. |
| 00:38.40 | nanok_ | ke6isf: i even seldom use the trackpoint, which is so nicelly positioned. _this_ is lazy :) |
| 00:38.43 | ke6isf | nanok_: Well, that's what key bindings are for. =^^= |
| 00:38.44 | tuv | Wyzard|TP: but some sources require specific gcc version, e.g. gcc-3.3 or gcc-3.4 or gcc-3.x in general, and there is no easy way to tell them how to use that version although it is installed. not all sources recognize the CC env. var. |
| 00:38.48 | dondelelcaro | tuv: gcc is provided by the gcc package, and the gcc package only; all the other gcc packages provide gcc-FOOVERSION |
| 00:38.59 | nanok_ | ke6isf: it all comes down to option i guess.. degustibus |
| 00:39.02 | VPR5703 | OK. ndiswrapper is not on the Sarge DVD |
| 00:39.21 | ke6isf | kbrooks: Then again, I abhor the little formatting frobs in word processors. Why should I have to click a button with an italicized I when I can just hit C-i? |
| 00:39.30 | dondelelcaro | tuv: unless the makefile is written craptacularly, it should use $(CC) or $(HOSTCC) to compile the package. You can override it with make CC=gcc-3.4 or whatever. |
| 00:39.31 | whatever | tuv: you can't specify it with gcc-3.4 on execute? |
| 00:39.35 | kbrooks | ke6isf, choice |
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| 00:40.01 | ke6isf | kbrooks: There you go. Fortunately, I have yet to see a word processor that puts in that frob and removes the keybinding. |
| 00:40.02 | Wyzard|TP | VPR5703: Sarge is two DVDs... maybe it's on the second one |
| 00:40.06 | kbrooks | ke6isf, somtimes people always use the mouse |
| 00:40.10 | dondelelcaro | bah. who types C-i? just use {\it } or \textit{} |
| 00:40.12 | VPR5703 | true |
| 00:40.18 | ke6isf | kbrooks: ...and they say that's faster. |
| 00:40.22 | kbrooks | sometime people always use the keyboard |
| 00:40.27 | Wyzard|TP | VPR5703: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ndiswrapper&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 00:40.31 | whatever | tuv: gcc links to either 3.4, 3.3 or whatever. you just override it if you don't want to use the default |
| 00:40.35 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: What is that, TeX? |
| 00:40.35 | tuv | well.. i came across quite a few Makefile's that just use CC=gcc - hardcoded |
| 00:40.38 | kbrooks | ke6isf, that saying applies to keyboards |
| 00:40.41 | Wyzard|TP | VPR5703: You can download the debs manually and put them on a flash drive or CD-R or something |
| 00:40.52 | kbrooks | tuv: hardcoding is evil. |
| 00:40.54 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: latex |
| 00:40.56 | ke6isf | kbrooks: well, yeah, but the people who use the mouse say it's faster. |
| 00:40.57 | kbrooks | tuv: very evil. |
| 00:40.58 | VPR5703 | ahh OK |
| 00:41.02 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Ah, I was close. |
| 00:41.06 | tuv | whatever: the alternatives system manages this type of links |
| 00:41.09 | kbrooks | tuv: and very dangerous too |
| 00:41.15 | Wyzard|TP | tuv: If you set CC on the command line, that overrides the value set in the Makefile |
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| 00:41.34 | kbrooks | i have a mysterious question. what is this alternatives system? |
| 00:41.37 | whatever | Wyzard|TP: what is an alternatives list anyways? I'm not familliar with that term? |
| 00:41.41 | Wyzard|TP | kbrooks: man update-alternatives |
| 00:41.43 | whatever | lol @ kbrooks |
| 00:41.49 | tuv | Wyzard|TP: not if it was specified like this: CC=gcc, no variables involved here |
| 00:42.06 | kbrooks | whatever, dont lol at me, oh, and whatever you |
| 00:42.07 | Wyzard|TP | whatever: ls -l /usr/bin/vi |
| 00:42.09 | doleyb | !alternatives |
| 00:42.09 | dpkg | methinks alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
| 00:42.23 | whatever | kbrooks: I asked the same thing is why I was laughing. :P |
| 00:42.27 | nanok_ | i abhor wordprocessors in general. plain text shouldbe anough for anyone. waste of cpu power and space.. latex is probably the only decent exception. choice again.. |
| 00:42.31 | tuv | there is a gcc symlink in /usr/bin. why couldn't it be managed by alternatives? |
| 00:42.40 | nanok_ | damn..anough.. |
| 00:42.53 | whatever | tuv: because they ARN'T alternatives. |
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| 00:42.57 | ke6isf | nanok_: I rarely fire up a word processor. If I have to do a letterhead or create mailing labels for Christmas cards, then I do it. |
| 00:42.58 | Wyzard|TP | whatever: When there are several packages which provide alternative implementations of the same command (such nvi, vim, etc. which all provide the "vi" command), the alternatives system provides a way to choose which one gets used |
| 00:43.14 | VPR5703 | Thatnks Wyzard|TP |
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| 00:43.27 | Wyzard|TP | tuv: Alternatives are meant for different implementations that are effectively equivalent, i.e. one is basically substitutable for another |
| 00:43.33 | Wyzard|TP | tuv: GCC versions aren't substitutable |
| 00:43.40 | whatever | Wyzard|TP: odd, I thought that was handled through symlinks |
| 00:44.02 | Wyzard|TP | whatever: Alternatives *are* symlinks, fundamentally |
| 00:44.03 | HS^ | what are again the command line download program, to download from http ? |
| 00:44.07 | HS^ | fget or something |
| 00:44.09 | ke6isf | HS^: wget? |
| 00:44.16 | doleyb | Wyzard: gcc versions are more "substitutable" than cc versions, which by definition allow more variance. And yet, /etc/alternatives/cc exists. |
| 00:44.17 | HS^ | thanks |
| 00:44.18 | nanok_ | ke6isf: i am especially pissed off about the usage of wordprocessors for _anything_ text, by some people. sometimes i can admit they are useful, but sometimes, plain text would do jus _nicely_ |
| 00:44.18 | Wyzard|TP | whatever: But there's also a database of all the available alternatives for a given command name |
| 00:44.19 | HS^ | :> |
| 00:44.31 | whatever | Wyzard|TP: hm, cool. |
| 00:44.54 | ke6isf | nanok_: Don't get me started about people who use WPs for email, or - (gack) - HTML generation. |
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| 00:45.12 | Wyzard|TP | whatever: By default, each package providing a given alternative specifies a "priority" for itself, and the alternative will point to the highest-priority version, but you can override it and use a different one instead, with update-alternatives |
| 00:45.31 | nanok_ | ke6isf: yeah, and html mail with 20k of tags sayng "hello, how are you". lets drop it :) |
| 00:45.33 | dondelelcaro | tuv: if it's specified like CC=gcc, make CC=gcc-3.4 will still override it. |
| 00:45.36 | Wyzard|TP | whatever: If you uninstall the package that the alternative currently points to, it will automatically revert to the next highest-priority alternative |
| 00:45.39 | whatever | tuv: the same code run through different compilers can/will have different outcomes. so its impossible to have a substitution method. so, its impossible to use a substitution method. |
| 00:45.43 | dondelelcaro | tuv: info make; and read about how variables are specified. |
| 00:45.45 | ke6isf | nanok_: What's worse are those people who use things like MS Powerpoint to write letters. |
| 00:45.59 | VPR5703 | haha ke6isf |
| 00:46.03 | VPR5703 | I know your pain |
| 00:46.08 | whatever | Wyzard|TP: ahhhh |
| 00:46.19 | doleyb | whatever: by that logic, there wouldn't exist /etc/alternatives/cc. But its there. |
| 00:46.22 | kbrooks | gah |
| 00:46.23 | Wyzard|TP | whatever: And the only changes made are the symlinks in /etc/alternatives -- that way you can change the "vi" symlink even if /usr (and therefore the /usr/bin/vi symlink) is mounted read-only |
| 00:46.48 | kbrooks | GAH GAH GAH!!!!! |
| 00:46.54 | ke6isf | VPR5703: Hey, you're back. Any luck with that hardware problem of yours? |
| 00:47.16 | VPR5703 | I tried no luck with the video card |
| 00:47.18 | nanok_ | ke6isf: please, drop it. i had a traumatic recolection: a thing called "stationery", and another one called "disclaimer" (always about 20 lines of useless shit) |
| 00:47.19 | kbrooks | "standard output channel" ... |
| 00:47.26 | ke6isf | VPR5703: Blarg. Network card functional? |
| 00:47.38 | VPR5703 | Nope |
| 00:47.38 | Wyzard|TP | doleyb: I guess one could argue that if something is using "cc" rather than GCC specifically, it understands that it has no idea what compiler it's getting and is probably written in a generic enough way that it'll work with any compiler |
| 00:47.42 | VPR5703 | Im getting ndiswrapper riht now |
| 00:47.44 | ke6isf | nanok_: Sorry, dropping it. |
| 00:47.48 | ke6isf | VPR5703: Aw crud. |
| 00:47.55 | VPR5703 | Im trying |
| 00:48.04 | dondelelcaro | doleyb: cc is used to pick between different classes of compilers. gcc is used to pick a specific version of gcc. |
| 00:48.05 | kbrooks | nanok_, show me the disclaimer in a pm? |
| 00:48.12 | ke6isf | VPR5703: Try using vesa on the video card. It won't get the best bang for the buck, but it'll work on anything. |
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| 00:48.15 | nanok_ | ke6isf: see what you've done, i am thinking about buyng that shotgun again, now. and i should really save up for that hdd caddy for the thinkpad, .. |
| 00:48.18 | nanok_ | :P |
| 00:48.28 | VPR5703 | Vesa not the nv drivers? |
| 00:48.30 | whatever | Wyzard|TP: pretty crazy stuff, its amazing the stuff you take for granted, that you don't even know exists. |
| 00:48.32 | dondelelcaro | doleyb: if you want a different version of gcc than the latest one, you use gcc-3.4 or whatever. |
| 00:48.34 | ke6isf | nanok_: Dude, focus on the hdd caddy. The hdd caddy is less destructive. |
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| 00:48.53 | kbrooks | @ ops: |
| 00:48.56 | nanok_ | kbrooks: you mean a collection in a tar.gz of a few megs. don't go there.. :) |
| 00:49.06 | ke6isf | VPR5703: If the nv drivers work, go for it - but if you're not having any luck, then the vesa driver is the way to go. |
| 00:49.14 | nanok_ | ke6isf: that is the point, that is why the shotgun is more apealing.. |
| 00:49.15 | dondelelcaro | (or you don't install the gcc package and instead set the symlink manually; or you provide your own gcc package which sets the symlink according to whatever values you think is sane) |
| 00:49.17 | nanok_ | :) |
| 00:49.19 | Wyzard|TP | whatever: People often say that apt-get is what makes Debian great, but what I really like it for is its *infrastructure* (such as the alternatives system) |
| 00:49.30 | VPR5703 | Well using the nv setting in the setup page leads to errors |
| 00:49.34 | Wyzard|TP | whatever: That's difficult to explain to people who aren't familiar with it though |
| 00:49.47 | ryanium | new year happy. |
| 00:49.51 | ryanium | just like 18 hours late |
| 00:49.52 | ryanium | lol |
| 00:49.59 | VPR5703 | its OK |
| 00:50.08 | kbrooks | @ops: why add "Please note this is not #ubuntu" to the topic if a standard and generic "debian is not ubuntu" factoid will do |
| 00:50.09 | nanok_ | ryanium: happy easter to you to |
| 00:50.13 | whatever | Wyzard|TP: uh yeah...heh, I mean, that just blew my mind. and I feel I've only got a slight understanding of how that all works |
| 00:50.14 | ryanium | haha |
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| 00:50.32 | VPR5703 | how would I extract files from a .deb archive? |
| 00:50.41 | kbrooks | @ops: were people not listening? |
| 00:50.44 | VPR5703 | Or would I use atp-get to install it? |
| 00:50.51 | ke6isf | kbrooks: First, prefixing your statements with @ is bad form. It won't just go to the ops. |
| 00:50.54 | whatever | VPR5703: dpkg |
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| 00:50.59 | VPR5703 | dpkg? |
| 00:51.07 | VPR5703 | for .deb files? |
| 00:51.10 | Eulex | VPR5703, dpkg -X filename |
| 00:51.12 | ke6isf | kbrooks: Second, it's there precisely because, yes, people weren't (and still aren't) listening. |
| 00:51.20 | VPR5703 | Will that install is or extract it? |
| 00:51.25 | VPR5703 | *install it |
| 00:51.28 | whatever | VPR5703: extract. -i installs |
| 00:51.30 | dondelelcaro | kbrooks: it's already there. |
| 00:51.35 | kbrooks | ke6isf, isnt there a generic factoid for that? |
| 00:51.36 | dondelelcaro | kbrooks: the factoid already exists as well. |
| 00:51.37 | VPR5703 | OK. |
| 00:51.40 | whatever | VPR5703: just do --help |
| 00:51.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell kbrooks -about ubuntu |
| 00:51.54 | ke6isf | kbrooks: There's the 'debian based' factoid, the 'ubuntu' factoid, and myriad others. |
| 00:52.17 | VPR5703 | ok |
| 00:52.27 | kbrooks | I see |
| 00:52.37 | nanok_ | kbrooks: dont get dondelelcaro started..or tomorrow you will see a banner also, in bright flashy colors .. :) |
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| 00:53.01 | ke6isf | nanok_: Not that it'll help. |
| 00:53.27 | whatever | ok, so, I really want to get my desktop computer away from being windows, but I don't know of any linux alternatives to use since its primary function right now is for dvd movies, avi's, etc etc with surround sound. I'm wondering more about codec support and audio quality than anything. |
| 00:53.30 | dondelelcaro | actually, in this particular case, I didn't add either those factoids or the topic note; bob2 did. |
| 00:53.34 | nanok_ | ke6isf: no, but at least you feal like having taken it out on someone/something.. |
| 00:53.40 | Eulex | nanok_, yeah, on-join colorified message |
| 00:53.41 | ke6isf | nanok_: True. |
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| 00:54.14 | kbrooks | reconnected |
| 00:54.24 | ke6isf | whatever: Well, I can't speak for DVDs from personal experience, but I've heard reports that there are no problems. Give a few programs and we'll toss out alternatives. |
| 00:54.27 | nanok_ | dondelelcaro: ofc, it was just a joke, didnt imply you did (allthough you could have, nevertheless) ;) |
| 00:54.47 | dondelelcaro | whatever: xine and/or mplayer support more codecs than just about anything; typically the audio quality is equivalent, although the 5.1 sound support is a little bit strange. |
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| 00:55.11 | redmoth | Hi, im not real familiar with changing hardware, and i just got a new videocard...so obviously i cant startx...how is it that i reconfigure the xserver (rather can i have dpkg or debconf configure it automagically?) |
| 00:55.23 | dondelelcaro | whatever: you may as well try a live cd for a bit to make sure that things work like you expect them to (assuming you have multiple drives) and then install Debian or similar. |
| 00:55.24 | kbrooks | dondelelcaro, btw, do you know who unsilenced me? (the pm to you by me was unknowingly sent - i wasnt even sure if i was +q or not) |
| 00:55.30 | beardy | !drxx redmoth |
| 00:55.30 | dpkg | redmoth: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:55.31 | nanok_ | redmoth: dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 00:55.41 | dondelelcaro | kbrooks: probably. |
| 00:56.07 | ddfire | hi, how i do to install a mouse? i cant start X it say cant open /dev/input/mice |
| 00:56.08 | redmoth | thanks guys :) |
| 00:56.17 | kbrooks | dondelelcaro, who? was it you? |
| 00:56.18 | ke6isf | !drxx ddfire |
| 00:56.18 | dpkg | ddfire: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:56.20 | whatever | ke3isf: windvd platinum, (I assume daemon tools can be replaced with mount), and zoom player (with a legion of video codecs) |
| 00:56.34 | dondelelcaro | kbrooks: probably, but it doesn't really matter now. |
| 00:56.39 | ke6isf | whatever: What is windvd platinum? |
| 00:56.58 | whatever | ke6isf: a windows dvd player, platinum edition. XD |
| 00:56.58 | kbrooks | why do we have these useful factoids in the topic |
| 00:57.14 | beardy | ddfire: /msg dpkg mouse (not sure that's up to date though) |
| 00:57.15 | ke6isf | kbrooks: 'cause they're vaguely important. =^_^= |
| 00:57.33 | ke6isf | whatever: follow dondelelcaro's advice froma moment ago. |
| 00:57.56 | beardy | ddfire: Seems like it is. |
| 00:58.03 | whatever | ke6isf: I'm replying to your inquiry. :P |
| 00:58.03 | ddfire | thanks |
| 00:58.09 | ddfire | i will try and then i told you |
| 00:58.18 | nanok_ | i think i'll watch one more episode of pinky and the brain now. bbl :) |
| 00:58.18 | kbrooks | whatever, it can be replaced with mount -o loop |
| 00:58.19 | ke6isf | whatever: Well, he did give a good answer. mplayer works quite well. |
| 00:58.42 | doleyb | whatever: you might ask #mplayer about how the quality specifically is. It has lots of surround-config options, and visual quality is better than windvd. |
| 00:58.46 | ke6isf | whatever: There's also totem, xine, and a handful of other packages |
| 00:58.49 | whatever | ke6isf: for video codecs? |
| 00:58.57 | kbrooks | i love mplayer - oh, and the mplayer plugin is very nice |
| 00:59.02 | ke6isf | whatever: Yes, it's geared for video. |
| 00:59.06 | kbrooks | for firefox |
| 00:59.07 | whatever | sweet. |
| 00:59.08 | doleyb | whatever, ke6isf: ogle is also a dvd player (first one to support menus) |
| 00:59.19 | kbrooks | doleyb, am i shocked? |
| 00:59.20 | kbrooks | :P |
| 00:59.24 | whatever | doleyb: thank dude |
| 00:59.29 | HS^ | does 2.4 kernel have a epoll , alternative? |
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| 00:59.43 | beardy | HS^: epoll? |
| 00:59.55 | whatever | looks like ogle and mplayer are the big things to check out for what I want to do |
| 01:00.07 | HS^ | sys/epoll.h |
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| 01:00.47 | whatever | dondelecarlo: so are the programs sketchy on the surround sound? or the kernel support? |
| 01:00.56 | mxldr | hey- whats the debian way to get firefox 1.5? |
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| 01:01.02 | mxldr | etch uses 1.0.7!!!!1 |
| 01:01.07 | mxldr | thats way too old |
| 01:01.13 | beardy | mxldr: No. |
| 01:01.14 | xevious | can anyone help out with autofs? |
| 01:01.15 | Coweatar | one version old? |
| 01:01.16 | abrotman | mxldr: what do you need the newer one for ? |
| 01:01.16 | doleyb | mxldr: if you had sid, it'd be 1.5 |
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| 01:01.19 | kbrooks | mxldr, because etch is frozen |
| 01:01.27 | abrotman | kbrooks: shut up . .it is not |
| 01:01.31 | mxldr | isn't the newer one safer? |
| 01:01.32 | jason^ | etch is frozen? what |
| 01:01.35 | abrotman | doleyb: and don't say that |
| 01:01.37 | doleyb | abrotman: wild guess, he needs it for extensions which look for specific version numbers. |
| 01:01.38 | mxldr | etch is froxen? |
| 01:01.40 | kbrooks | abrotman, it isnt? |
| 01:01.40 | VPR5703 | OK im going to try my hand at installing my network card drivers |
| 01:01.55 | VPR5703 | Whats the name of the consol IRC client by the way? |
| 01:01.57 | abrotman | kbrooks: are you stupid? .. everytime a release freezes .. there's a notice in every damn publication |
| 01:02.03 | beardy | !irssi-text |
| 01:02.03 | dpkg | it has been said that irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
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| 01:02.03 | abrotman | VPR5703: irssi-text |
| 01:02.03 | kbrooks | abrotman, please tell me why it isnt |
| 01:02.08 | mxldr | isn't 1.5 safer? |
| 01:02.09 | VPR5703 | thatnks abrotman |
| 01:02.11 | abrotman | kbrooks: why should it be? |
| 01:02.16 | ddfire | thanks you all!!! now i have kde running thanks happy new year |
| 01:02.17 | abrotman | mxldr: safer from what ? |
| 01:02.23 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 01:02.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 01:02.27 | mxldr | i dunno- aren't there updates? |
| 01:02.34 | abrotman | mxldr: you're fine .. just leave it be |
| 01:02.41 | whatever | lol |
| 01:02.42 | mxldr | why? |
| 01:02.48 | Mandrig | ddfire, did you move from gnome to kde? |
| 01:02.55 | abrotman | mxldr: given the variety of issues i've seen people in here whining about FF1.5 . it's stay with 1.0.7 |
| 01:02.59 | mxldr | it says to update for critical security flaws! |
| 01:03.02 | pat5star | hi all, whenever i boot up, my eth0 won't come up automatically, as soon as I run "ifup eth0" manually, it works, how can i make this automatic at start up? |
| 01:03.25 | Wyzard|TP | pat5star: Put "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:03.25 | mxldr | are there any benefits to 1.5? performance? |
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| 01:03.50 | whatever | mxldr: 1.5 is quite buggy |
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| 01:03.56 | whatever | mxldr: I find it lags a lot sometimes |
| 01:03.58 | mxldr | oh |
| 01:03.59 | doleyb | mxldr: it has some real gross file dialogs, that can be cool. |
| 01:04.01 | pat5star | Wyzard|TP: cool, how silly of me not to think of that! ty very much |
| 01:04.13 | kbrooks | mxldr, safer? you're taking the definition of "safer" too far |
| 01:04.13 | kbrooks | and it has crrossed the definition line by now |
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| 01:04.16 | mxldr | etch is frozen? |
| 01:04.23 | abrotman | mxldr: NO |
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| 01:04.39 | whatever | its 2006? |
| 01:04.39 | nomis | Hi all. Can somebody tell me where to find libdivxdecore0? It apparently is needed for the debian-marillat version of mplayer, but is not available there. |
| 01:04.40 | abrotman | mxldr: as usual .. kbrooks doesn't know what he's talking about .. and is spreading misinformation |
| 01:04.43 | whatever | when did that happen |
| 01:04.49 | abrotman | ETCH IS NOT FROZEN |
| 01:04.52 | abrotman | everyone see htat? |
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| 01:04.59 | kbrooks | hey |
| 01:05.03 | whatever | abrotman: y2k! y2k! |
| 01:05.26 | mxldr | how do i make it so it doesnt ask me to install packages without verification |
| 01:05.34 | mxldr | it never used to ask me that |
| 01:05.37 | Wyzard|TP | nomis: It's available from the marillat source (ftp.nerim.net) |
| 01:05.37 | beardy | !w32codecs |
| 01:05.38 | dpkg | well, w32codecs is a package, not in Debian (or non-free or contrib) due to legal issues, that provides numerous multimedia codecs normally found on win32 systems for popular but usually proprietary formats. ask me about <marillat> to get it anyway |
| 01:05.38 | abrotman | about gpg? |
| 01:05.44 | abrotman | !tell mxldr about apt-secure |
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| 01:06.33 | nomis | Wyzard|TP: am I missing something? It is not in ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/libd/ |
| 01:06.36 | whatever | !marillat |
| 01:06.37 | dpkg | hmm... marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 01:07.04 | Coweatar | !msg the bot |
| 01:07.04 | dpkg | please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood |
| 01:07.05 | Mandrig | im trying to switch from gnome to kde, any help? |
| 01:07.09 | doleyb | hmm, that marillat factoid is wrong. Those packages aren't only patent-encumbered, but also copyright-infringe. |
| 01:07.27 | whatever | doleyb: details details |
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| 01:07.43 | abrotman | doleyb: depends which country you're in :) |
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| 01:08.49 | doleyb | abrotman: um, outside of iran, all countries share each other's copyrights. |
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| 01:09.06 | abrotman | doleyb: including north korea ? |
| 01:09.13 | whatever | doleyb: since when? |
| 01:09.18 | justice_ | or russia |
| 01:09.23 | doleyb | abrotman: they don't have electricity in nk. |
| 01:09.29 | whatever | china... |
| 01:09.31 | abrotman | doleyb: so they can't read ? |
| 01:09.39 | doleyb | justice_: russia does share copyrights. Some file-traders say it doesn't, but they lie. |
| 01:09.54 | Jinkguns | <0>Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
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| 01:09.56 | doleyb | whatever: since 99, when hk joined berne convention |
| 01:09.57 | Jinkguns | ;/ |
| 01:09.59 | Jinkguns | explanations |
| 01:10.02 | HS^ | how do you write a message to other users |
| 01:10.05 | HS^ | on same system?? |
| 01:10.11 | abrotman | wall |
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| 01:10.29 | justice_ | russia doesn't share copyrights |
| 01:10.39 | abrotman | HS^: all users ? |
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| 01:11.07 | HS^ | no just one |
| 01:11.10 | beardy | HS^: 'mail username' is one option |
| 01:11.10 | Wyzard|TP | doleyb: What copyrights does mplayer infringe? |
| 01:11.11 | abrotman | write ? |
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| 01:11.17 | noiesmo | what a morning, first run out cigs then shops closed then smoothwall box shits itself then network switch shits dam anyhow goodmorining all |
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| 01:11.32 | justice_ | 95% of pirated cds and dvds supplied to central and eastern EU comes from russia :) i highly doubt that they share any copyrights actually :) |
| 01:11.36 | doleyb | Wyzard|TP: not mplayer, but the codecs packs include dll files belonging to microsoft, apple, etc. |
| 01:11.46 | nanok_ | noiesmo: yeah, what a way to wake up.. |
| 01:11.47 | tiCo89 | poor noiesmo =( |
| 01:11.49 | Wyzard|TP | doleyb: ah... makes sense |
| 01:11.50 | whatever | noiesmo: gosh, I hate when smoothwall cracks up....everything goes to hell |
| 01:11.56 | beardy | HS^: You have to be root if using wall or write, if the user choosed to not accept messages. |
| 01:11.59 | dondelelcaro | the issue with mplayer isn't primarily copyrights... it's patents. |
| 01:12.11 | nanok_ | noiesmo: a security breach would be all that's missing.. |
| 01:12.12 | Jinkguns | patents are a joke. period. |
| 01:12.12 | nanok_ | :P |
| 01:12.19 | dondelelcaro | (well, anymore. Originally they weren't compllying with the licenses of some of the works that they used) |
| 01:12.28 | whatever | Jinkguns: no they arn't |
| 01:12.36 | beardy | HS^: Try ask ##linux about your previous question about the kernel feature. |
| 01:12.41 | Wyzard|TP | dondelelcaro: I know... I was asking because doleyb had said the marillat packages have copyright problems too, and I assumed (incorrectly) that he meant mplayer |
| 01:12.43 | dondelelcaro | Jinkguns: that may very well be, but unfortunatly they're a problem for any legal entity who can be sued. |
| 01:12.55 | noiesmo | nanok_, dont say that |
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| 01:13.05 | noiesmo | aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 01:13.06 | whatever | Jinkguns: it prevents others from using your ideas to make money without your consent. |
| 01:13.12 | nanok_ | noiesmo: yeah..not funny.. i know |
| 01:13.30 | justice_ | whatever i dare to disagree |
| 01:13.36 | whatever | dondelecaro: granted yeah, if they are out of legal jurisdiction, you're screwed |
| 01:13.39 | nanok_ | noiesmo: oh damn. was i right? :( |
| 01:14.01 | nomis | Ok, so nobody knows what libdivxdecore0 is and where it is supposed to come from? |
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| 01:14.06 | Wyzard|TP | whatever: Making money or not doesn't matter... others can't implement your idea at all without permission |
| 01:14.08 | justice_ | all patents do is to stop people without money to make them on software |
| 01:14.12 | [RS]H4ppy | what do i type again to create a new account? |
| 01:14.15 | noiesmo | nanok_, na but be just my luck today |
| 01:14.16 | Wyzard|TP | nomis: I told you earlier, it's on the marillat source |
| 01:14.28 | deuce868 | I am trying to set u cron to reboot my dedicated server every two hours in case I lock myself out while trying to get some firewall rules on it. I added "0 */2 * * * shutdown -r now" but it doesn't seem to execute. |
| 01:14.30 | whatever | Wyzard|TP: ok, but still. |
| 01:14.34 | justice_ | because about everything you can think of is already copyrighted by global companies and that's sick |
| 01:14.45 | abrotman | welcome to #randomdiscussionofthemoment ... if you don't like the topic .. just start another! :) |
| 01:14.48 | doleyb | justice_: russia has shared USA copyrights since 1995. That doesn't mean the police there care about enforcing it, but technically, the copyrights apply. |
| 01:14.53 | nomis | Wyzard|TP: You mean I have to compile it myself? It definitely is not in the package pool. |
| 01:14.53 | Jinkguns | Generalized patents are being issued to large corporations, such as "one click shopping" and "gui based installations" which larger corporations use to squash competition. The patent system is broke, it's a joke. Please don't give me that little definition of patent and think I'm suddenly going to support the system. I work for a senator, kid. |
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| 01:15.10 | justice_ | doleyb oh that's true... |
| 01:15.12 | abrotman | deuce868: @reboot .. make it sleep for two horus .. then reboot |
| 01:15.26 | redmoth | ok, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 didnt do it...i apt-got nvidia-glx and dependencies, should i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again? |
| 01:15.27 | justice_ | i agree with Jinkguns |
| 01:15.29 | [RS]H4ppy | what do i type again to create a new account? |
| 01:15.29 | abrotman | deuce868: or rather .. @reboot .. call a script that sleeps for two hours .. then reboots |
| 01:15.33 | beardy | Let's not have a copyright discussion here, please. |
| 01:15.36 | Wyzard|TP | nomis: I just checked with "apt-cache policy libdivxdecore0" and the result is "500 http://ftp.nerim.net sid/main Packages" |
| 01:15.39 | whatever | Jinkguns: who was that directed at? |
| 01:15.42 | beardy | [RS]H4ppy: man adduser |
| 01:15.49 | [RS]H4ppy | thanks! |
| 01:15.51 | Jinkguns | You. :) |
| 01:15.57 | Wyzard|TP | nomis: not to mention that I just installed it on this system a few days ago |
| 01:16.12 | Jinkguns | My new 2.4 compiled kernel panics on boot. :/ |
| 01:16.22 | Jinkguns | My whole system is unusuable, thanks lilo. |
| 01:16.26 | nomis | Wyzard|TP: Ok, maybe I am missing something obvious then. My apt-line is deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main - what is yours? |
| 01:16.35 | justice_ | i wonder what would happen if i patented "cd based installation" |
| 01:16.41 | nomis | apt-cache gives me "Candidate: (none)" |
| 01:16.41 | beardy | Jinkguns: lilo? More likely you configured it wrong. |
| 01:16.43 | nanok_ | Jinkguns: do you think is lilo's fault?.. |
| 01:16.49 | Wyzard|TP | nomis: I use sid, not etch... I don't know what packages he has available for etch |
| 01:16.55 | doleyb | justice_: here are all countires sharing copyright http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_party_to_the_Berne_Convention_by_name |
| 01:16.58 | Jinkguns | Because lilo isn't giving me the options to boot to my old kernel_image. :/ |
| 01:17.06 | blondie | fucking copyright |
| 01:17.10 | beardy | Jinkguns: Then you configured that wrong too. |
| 01:17.12 | blondie | c.c |
| 01:17.21 | blondie | pardon my french |
| 01:17.23 | justice_ | doleyb thank you, good portion of theory |
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| 01:17.43 | beardy | Jinkguns: Are you using make-kpkg? |
| 01:18.04 | Jinkguns | Yes beardy. |
| 01:18.07 | Jinkguns | with --initrd |
| 01:18.36 | dondelelcaro | Jinkguns: if you're using make-kpkg, there's really no need to use initrd; just configure your kernel so that it has the modules you need to boot built in. |
| 01:19.03 | beardy | Jinkguns: Hmm, and lilo doesn't have Linux_OLD, (or how the naming is)? |
| 01:19.06 | Jinkguns | The President of Michigan State University is coming to this press event announcing a electron microscope built by a bunch of high school kids, first in the world. And I can't even reinstall debian on the control machine. :/ |
| 01:19.28 | whatever | Jinkguns: I never said the system wasn't corrupt. We were talking about its intentions, not its abuses. You look at the negative, but there are positives as well. For example, someone comes up with a new kind of bottle cap. Without that patent, the dude who invented it is totally screwed, and all the companies go and use it. Nothing is purely ever 100% unfailable. And working for a senator dosen't mean I should take yo |
| 01:19.31 | Jinkguns | don, lilo wasn't updating automatically, because there was no --initrd |
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| 01:19.44 | beardy | Jinkguns: Oh |
| 01:19.44 | nanok_ | Jinkguns: initrd shouldnt be needed unless you are building a generic kernel, i.e. for many of your different machines. also, if you let kpkg configure lilo, it has kept the old kernel, hit shit while lilo loads.. |
| 01:19.44 | dondelelcaro | Jinkguns: no, it'll update automatically even without that. |
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| 01:19.53 | nanok_ | Jinkguns: ah.. |
| 01:20.11 | dondelelcaro | Jinkguns: the automatic updates happen in the postinst, which runs even without an initrd. You just have to change your configuration to specify that your new image doesn't have an initrd. |
| 01:20.18 | Jinkguns | I'll just abandon XFS or use Ext3 for /boot and reinstall the system. :/ |
| 01:20.21 | dondelelcaro | (which is fairly trivial) |
| 01:20.37 | dondelelcaro | Jinkguns: why do that? boot off of the installation media, and fix your lilo configuration to boot off of the old kernel. |
| 01:20.41 | dondelelcaro | Jinkguns: it's not that difficult. |
| 01:21.03 | Jinkguns | Because I made a few mistakes during the installation I'd like to correct. :) |
| 01:21.11 | Wyzard|TP | nanok_: initrds are also needed if you have your root on a software-RAID or LVM device, or encrypted |
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| 01:21.31 | Jinkguns | Also, does Grub play nice with a /boot using XFS yet? |
| 01:21.40 | dondelelcaro | Jinkguns: just use ext2 on /boot. |
| 01:21.42 | nanok_ | Wyzard|TP: well, that's less likely in this case, nut, indeed, point taken |
| 01:21.49 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason to use any strange filesystem on /boot. |
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| 01:21.55 | Wyzard|TP | Jinkguns: GRUB has an xfs_stage1_5, so presumably so |
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| 01:22.11 | nanok_ | Jinkguns: it does in my experience.. |
| 01:22.40 | nanok_ | but, indeed, ext2 should be fine for /boot |
| 01:22.43 | nomis | Ok, the package is at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/d/divx4linux/ but aptitude does not seem to pick it up - I don't see it mentioned in the Packages-file either. |
| 01:22.43 | beardy | !tell whatever|AFK -about away |
| 01:22.48 | nomis | (except for dependencies) |
| 01:23.31 | dondelelcaro | nomis: then it's either been superceeded, or you have to install it manually. |
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| 01:24.16 | abrotman | yeah .. patents are good! |
| 01:24.32 | blondie | bad abrotman |
| 01:24.42 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:24.53 | doleyb | abrotman: patents might be good if followed US constitution: "Promote progress in science", but often they don't |
| 01:25.10 | abrotman | doleyb: i was joking .. and don't wish to discuss it |
| 01:25.46 | Jinkguns | Sorry whatever, I missed your reply. But my reply is essentially doleyb's. |
| 01:25.49 | kspath | patents are now intended to keep large corporations cash cows in place and prevent competition from innovating by fear and risk of legal actions |
| 01:25.49 | nanok_ | i call BS. progress in science is mostly atained by colaboration (oss like) as far as i can tell, not by patents |
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| 01:26.16 | kspath | all it takes is average judge and an injunction and you are screwed |
| 01:26.37 | blondie | anarchy++ |
| 01:26.46 | abrotman | damn it . .i was joking! |
| 01:26.57 | nanok_ | blondie: visual |
| 01:26.59 | kspath | patents are fine for a limited time |
| 01:27.00 | nanok_ | even |
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| 01:27.06 | blondie | nanok_: eh? |
| 01:27.07 | Jinkguns | The founding fathers thought copyright and patents were a joke, it was on a trial basis only. They didn't think it would work. |
| 01:27.23 | kspath | problem is VAGUE patents and patents renewed over and over and over |
| 01:27.33 | nanok_ | blondie: VisualAnarchy++ dot net nightmareeavershit |
| 01:27.34 | nanok_ | :) |
| 01:28.03 | blondie | could you translate please? :\ |
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| 01:28.34 | nanok_ | blondie: neah, nevermind. bs, not worth giving it a second thought |
| 01:28.36 | nanok_ | ;) |
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| 01:29.33 | whatever | gosh...these eggrolls are not sitting well with my stomach. :X |
| 01:30.19 | kspath | what makes me truly sick is patent holders that NEVER plan to create/build what they patented just using it to leech off others |
| 01:30.34 | whatever | ahh, new topic already |
| 01:30.45 | kspath | dang I missed the boat |
| 01:30.53 | kspath | I had chinese this evening |
| 01:31.04 | whatever | yeah? what'd ya get? |
| 01:31.04 | robin_sz | what was her name? |
| 01:31.08 | whatever | LOL |
| 01:31.17 | kspath | Sum Fun |
| 01:31.18 | Jinkguns | I'm currently working on a funding request proposal, attached to a new Nanotechnology Research Center, they want to build a $12 Million Dollar Supercomputer using Apple XServers, by current estimates it should place in the top 10. But they want me to decide whether it should run Apple's OS or a linux distro. :/ |
| 01:31.37 | robin_sz | ahh, not cream of sum yung gai? |
| 01:31.56 | robin_sz | what film was that? |
| 01:32.07 | robin_sz | biil and ted? |
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| 01:32.30 | nanok_ | Jinkguns: is that research in physics(it sounds as though) or more like engineering. if it is physics, i would say definetly linux |
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| 01:33.04 | kspath | if it is real nano it is engineering/physics/chemistry |
| 01:33.16 | Jinkguns | Well, it would be used for physics simulations on nanoscale composites and such. But it would also host a research and development network. |
| 01:33.26 | nanok_ | kspath: yeah, that's why i asked where's the amphasys.. |
| 01:33.40 | doleyb | kspath: the nature of the work doesn't matter at all, computation is computation. only factors are hw-compat/support vs licensing cost. |
| 01:33.44 | tuomas_ | isnt osx more secure? |
| 01:33.45 | Jinkguns | It's a join venture between Michigan Government and Universities. Including Engineering, Physics and Medical Coleges. |
| 01:33.47 | Jinkguns | *Colleges |
| 01:33.53 | Jinkguns | *joint |
| 01:33.54 | Guerin | tuomas_: no. |
| 01:33.58 | beardy | !troll tuomas_ |
| 01:34.02 | whatever | lol |
| 01:34.07 | tuomas_ | :) |
| 01:34.15 | nanok_ | Jinkguns: afaik, for that linux would be the natural choice. however, you should ask the researchers the exact software they are planning on using and stuff.. |
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| 01:34.18 | Guerin | tuomas_: both are as secure as their admin. |
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| 01:34.30 | tuomas_ | Guerin: yes |
| 01:34.36 | whatever | Jinkguns: which senator do you work for in michigan? |
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| 01:34.47 | Jinkguns | That's the funny part, we have 1 mil dollars to award to programmers for custom software. :) |
| 01:34.50 | kspath | doleyb: in this case I agree with you |
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| 01:35.21 | VPR5703 | Im giving up for tonight |
| 01:35.25 | Jinkguns | Virg Bernero, eh, no longer State Senator. Now Mayor of Lansing. |
| 01:35.36 | VPR5703 | 8 and a half hours on the same problem has burned out my brain. |
| 01:35.38 | whatever | doleyb: you do have to consider who'd be using it too. |
| 01:35.40 | nanok_ | Jinkguns: well, it sounds nice, anyway. it is god to see some hardware aimed at physics research .. |
| 01:36.12 | whatever | yeah....but why apple xservers |
| 01:36.12 | nanok_ | Jinkguns: oh, i would say linux then. imho |
| 01:36.24 | Jinkguns | whatever, Virginia Tech. |
| 01:36.26 | doleyb | whatever: for cluster-supercomputer work, the users never see the system, it doesn't matter. |
| 01:36.40 | nanok_ | whatever: i would also say opterons, but ppc is nice to, i should think.. ;) |
| 01:36.52 | danieldg | I'm having a problem with buttons 6 and 7 (the side buttons) on my mouse in Xorg. I've tried using xev and it does not register any events when they are pressed. How do I figure out what the problem is? |
| 01:36.55 | Guerin | Jinkguns: i'd say the choice of OS should come down mostly to who's going to be administering it, and where their skills are. |
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| 01:37.02 | kspath | old days the physcists and mathematicians ran the computing stuffs |
| 01:37.22 | Guerin | Jinkguns: if you have a bunch of mactards running the show, OSX might be the way ... otherwise something linux-based does seem saner. |
| 01:37.23 | kspath | everything changes and grows and expanding |
| 01:38.28 | Jinkguns | What they want the 1,100 or so clustered Xserves to 1.) Run physics nanotech simulations 2.) Host a research and development network (ie a new nanotech internet bassed journal, file storage, etc.) 3.) Interface with workstations on site and state wide, windows, macosx and linux |
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| 01:38.44 | Guerin | danieldg: you need to configure x to notice them. You might need to add Option "something" "6" to your x config file |
| 01:38.45 | riot | why does my sid refuse to use ati's fglrx? i've got it installed with --force-all over libmesa but it does not work. (module fglrx is loaded) |
| 01:39.01 | Guerin | !force-all |
| 01:39.01 | dpkg | force-all means you're working against the packaging system, not with it. Sometimes packages are broken and it's necessary, but almost always it means you're doing something wrong, and are setting yourself up for bigger problems down the line. YOU NEVER NEED TO USE --force-all. EVER. You might think you do, but YOU DO NOT. Don't fucking use it. |
| 01:39.05 | _rene_ | probably because ati is shit and didn't adapt it for X.org 6.9 |
| 01:39.07 | Jinkguns | I was thinking about using Gentoo's cluster solution. |
| 01:39.08 | _rene_ | (just a guess) |
| 01:39.09 | whatever | Jinkguns: so they arn't client stations at all then? |
| 01:39.16 | danieldg | Guerin: Option "Buttons" "7" |
| 01:39.26 | Jinkguns | Well, I guess you could best call it a mainframe. |
| 01:39.30 | whatever | ok |
| 01:39.33 | Guerin | danieldg: perhaps. You'd need to rtfm to know exactly. |
| 01:39.34 | riot | _rene_: that could be a good guess.. how can i find out, what x.org i'm running? |
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| 01:39.38 | whatever | hell, linux all the way |
| 01:39.41 | riot | (and can i switch back to xfree easily?) |
| 01:40.07 | VPR5703 | Thatnks for the help anyways guys, at least we tried. |
| 01:40.13 | danieldg | Guerin: I already have that. The buttons have worked before, I recently switched kernels and now the buttons no longer work |
| 01:41.02 | riot | Guerin: you think it makes a big difference if i use force-all instead of just force-overwrite? (the only problem is that fglrx refuses to overwrite xlibmesa-libs which you _cannot_ deinstall) |
| 01:41.18 | beardy | riot: Don't you listen? |
| 01:41.25 | nanok_ | Jinkguns: if you want to be really neat about the third part, use NX, imho ;), depending on wther you need graphic aplications or not, ofc |
| 01:41.38 | nanok_ | just MHO ;) |
| 01:41.38 | riot | beardy: no, i read. |
| 01:41.51 | beardy | riot: Seems like you didn't. |
| 01:41.52 | Guerin | Jinkguns: hurd! |
| 01:42.00 | whatever | lol |
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| 01:42.05 | dondelelcaro | riot: where is this other package comming from? If it's overwritting files in libmesa-libs, it's likely to break lots of things horribly. |
| 01:42.07 | nanok_ | minix.. |
| 01:42.08 | riot | beardy: hey, its not me, who did something wrong, that was ati.. |
| 01:42.17 | riot | dondelelcaro: from ati.... |
| 01:42.29 | Guerin | riot: haha |
| 01:42.31 | dondelelcaro | riot: well, it's broken. Remove it and reinstall xlibmesa-libs. |
| 01:42.32 | Guerin | !lose riot |
| 01:42.32 | dpkg | riot: You Lose. |
| 01:42.41 | Jinkguns | NX = WHOA. |
| 01:42.49 | riot | Why that?? it worked wonderfully just a few updates ago.. |
| 01:42.51 | Jinkguns | I think you just made my life a bit easier, nanok. :D |
| 01:42.56 | nanok_ | Jinkguns: whoa |
| 01:42.57 | nanok_ | ? |
| 01:43.00 | doleyb | riot: are you sid? |
| 01:43.01 | beardy | Is he running unstable? |
| 01:43.02 | nanok_ | ah |
| 01:43.04 | riot | sure. |
| 01:43.05 | Jinkguns | :O |
| 01:43.08 | Guerin | nanok_: watch 'The Matrix' |
| 01:43.11 | nanok_ | Jinkguns: i am sincerly glad |
| 01:43.22 | dondelelcaro | riot: because it's overwriting a file in another package without doing it properly. This is quite definetly broken. |
| 01:43.50 | riot | dondelelcaro: it did that about 2 years now.. and always worked nicely. Guess i'm just gonna downgrade from x.org |
| 01:43.53 | decoy5657 | Is there a way to intall testing packages on a stable version of sarge? |
| 01:43.56 | Jinkguns | $2,300 for 16 cpus. :/ |
| 01:44.00 | Jinkguns | That's uh, pricey. |
| 01:44.03 | Guerin | danieldg: not without breaking shit. |
| 01:44.11 | SimonRaven | !bobbitt |
| 01:44.11 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 01:44.12 | Guerin | decoy5657: not without breaking shit. |
| 01:44.12 | dondelelcaro | riot: it may have worked back then, but things move on. |
| 01:44.14 | nanok_ | Jinkguns: there is freenx (nx is really opensource) |
| 01:44.20 | whatever | anyone heard of matrox parhelia support for linux besides what they offer on their website? (I see a driver in 2.6.14.5 but it dosen't appear to include the parhelia series) |
| 01:44.26 | decoy5657 | Guerin: cool. i don't like breaking things. |
| 01:44.32 | riot | dondelelcaro: yeah. and ati lost pace... .oO( again ) |
| 01:44.39 | Guerin | decoy5657: /msg dpkg backports |
| 01:44.43 | Jinkguns | Do you have personal experince with NX? |
| 01:45.16 | nanok_ | Jinkguns: see fabian franz , freenx, kanotix(there are apt-sources for it form kanotix) |
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| 01:45.22 | nanok_ | ;) |
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| 01:45.56 | dondelelcaro | riot: why are you even bothering to install that package? |
| 01:45.59 | nanok_ | Jinkguns: however, the comercial one might include really nice features and support, which would make-it worth the bill |
| 01:46.53 | dondelelcaro | Jinkguns: what application are you planning on running on that machine anyway? |
| 01:46.56 | Jinkguns | Yeah I'm doing some price calculations now, it dosen't seem nearly as prohibitive as it looks. |
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| 01:47.12 | riot | dondelelcaro: because i need hardware-gl |
| 01:47.22 | danieldg | Guerin: I just restarted X, changing the Buttons to 11. Now xev shows buttons 12 and 14 when the side buttons are pressed. I'm planning to use .xmodmap to change it back. Any idea what could have caused this? |
| 01:47.48 | Jinkguns | Well, a yet to be programmed physics simulation concerning nanotechnology, while hosting a research and development network. |
| 01:47.51 | nanok_ | dondelelcaro: it is not completly clear as of yet, as it seems. remains to be discussed and shit, if i understand correctly |
| 01:48.08 | SimonRaven | 12 buttons on a mouse? WhereTH do you hold it, by the cord? |
| 01:48.16 | dondelelcaro | Jinkguns: figure out what you're going to write first, then figure out which toolkit you want to use, then figure out the OS, then figure out the hardware. |
| 01:48.16 | beardy | hehe |
| 01:48.16 | Jinkguns | File sharing, a new internet based duty free peer reviewed scientific journal, etc. |
| 01:48.25 | danieldg | um, it only has 7 buttons (5 and a wheel) |
| 01:48.29 | dondelelcaro | Jinkguns: doing it in any other order is just a waste of money and time. |
| 01:48.40 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: It's a space cadet mouse. Goes with the space cadet keyboard. |
| 01:48.42 | danieldg | SimonRaven: X seems to be misinformed |
| 01:48.44 | SimonRaven | oh ok |
| 01:48.51 | doleyb | Jinkguns: you know that compute-serving and file-serving are opposing tasks, right? |
| 01:48.51 | SimonRaven | *nods* |
| 01:49.17 | riot | oh, i just see, ati's got a newer release. Let's see about that one (8.20.8-1) |
| 01:49.25 | Jinkguns | Yeah, we were going to seperate a few xserves into a smaller cluster, but we'd like both clusters to be running the same OS. |
| 01:49.28 | nanok_ | dondelelcaro: he allready seems to have the order fucked up : the hw is allready chosen for him, the budget, etc, everything is backwards really |
| 01:49.30 | dondelelcaro | Jinkguns: as far as the peer reviewed journal goes, serving files for most of them can be done on a rather trivial machine; most of them tend to eat pipe. |
| 01:49.31 | nanok_ | :) |
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| 01:50.09 | dondelelcaro | if the journal needs more than two machines, you've got issues. |
| 01:50.25 | doleyb | Jinkguns: if the system is really a top-10 supercomputer, you shouldn't serve files from it. You could rent out cpu cycles to a uni, and with that money rent some akamai servers, and have a lot left over. |
| 01:51.06 | SimonRaven | servinf files from a box like that is a *total* waste |
| 01:51.15 | SimonRaven | s/inf/ing/ |
| 01:51.24 | nanok_ | SimonRaven: you mean room/building :) |
| 01:51.29 | SimonRaven | IMO |
| 01:51.36 | doleyb | nanok_: a building is a specialized kind of box |
| 01:51.38 | SimonRaven | a room is a box ;) |
| 01:51.47 | nanok_ | ok ok |
| 01:52.04 | nanok_ | pick your size and shit .. |
| 01:52.06 | nanok_ | :) |
| 01:52.20 | SimonRaven | frick, i'm doing file servinf from an old powerpc... |
| 01:52.28 | SimonRaven | serving* |
| 01:52.46 | ortner | How do i setup an vhost on debian? anyone got a nice howto? |
| 01:52.51 | dondelelcaro | (since the virginia tech one is at #20 anyway) |
| 01:53.07 | SimonRaven | dondelelcaro: would have to be a g5 xserve to even start |
| 01:53.23 | SimonRaven | even then... |
| 01:53.27 | nanok_ | and with columbia at #1,, :) |
| 01:53.40 | whatever | nanok_: what does columbia run? |
| 01:53.41 | nanok_ | it is still number one, i think.. ? |
| 01:53.57 | dondelelcaro | SimonRaven: uh... they are... |
| 01:53.58 | nanok_ | whatever: it is said to run linux, but i donot know for a fact.. |
| 01:54.04 | whatever | nanok_: hardware |
| 01:54.13 | nanok_ | whatever: SGI ;) |
| 01:54.15 | dondelelcaro | nanok_: no, DOE is #1. |
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| 01:54.27 | dondelelcaro | nanok_: http://www.top500.org/lists/2005/11/basic |
| 01:54.36 | nanok_ | dondelelcaro: have you a link or something to feed to google |
| 01:54.37 | nanok_ | ah |
| 01:54.39 | nanok_ | thanks |
| 01:54.47 | whatever | ah, bluegene |
| 01:54.52 | dondelelcaro | if it's not on the top500, it doesn't even rank. |
| 01:55.00 | nanok_ | whatever: see sgi columbia nasa on google |
| 01:55.05 | abrotman | or it's uber-classified :) |
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| 01:55.46 | kspath | for small chunks of data I would want Opterons with 2MB of L2 cache |
| 01:55.48 | whatever | nanok_: why? |
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| 01:56.06 | Jinkguns | So, if you were going for most bang for buck for a cluster with about $12 Million to spend, what kind of hardware would you use. |
| 01:56.13 | whatever | ....I thought cray was hurting bad cause no one was buying machines. |
| 01:56.24 | dondelelcaro | nanok_: that's #4. |
| 01:56.27 | whatever | Jinkguns: oh gosh, 8 way opterons baby. |
| 01:56.37 | nanok_ | dondelelcaro: damn, columbia is on four.. how long have i been away.. :) |
| 01:56.42 | SimonRaven | 8 Barcelona Supercomputer Center |
| 01:56.44 | nanok_ | dondelelcaro: indeed |
| 01:56.48 | abrotman | Jinkguns: there are other considerations |
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| 01:57.11 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.19 | abrotman | nanok_: apparently a long long time .. BlueGene/L has been on top for a very long long time |
| 01:57.34 | kspath | and RAM disks for larger chunks of data |
| 01:57.54 | Jinkguns | Now if only there was a company offering a solution like that. |
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| 01:58.07 | abrotman | Jinkguns: verio.com . i think |
| 01:58.11 | dondelelcaro | Jinkguns: IBM oes. |
| 01:58.12 | kspath | Jinkguns: there are |
| 01:58.12 | Christians4GNT2 | Hello Debian users, I have found GAIM 2.0 .debs for sarge through sid, there is also OTR encryption debs: http://files.madskillz.cc/debs/ |
| 01:58.18 | abrotman | Jinkguns: wait .. i can find it |
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| 01:58.27 | whatever | Jinkguns: like abrotman was saying, there are a lot of considerations really. I'm very partial to the opteron architecture, but it depends on the applications the scientists would be running..... unless they'd be optimizing their code based on the hardware they were given |
| 01:58.30 | kspath | Jinkguns: build a prototype |
| 01:58.50 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: the two flaws of this list are (a) it only counts single-image systems, not cluster and grid ones - so it misses most of the modern stuff. like google. (b) it only counts publically known hardware, not private undisclosed systems. like google. |
| 01:58.52 | abrotman | Jinkguns: verari |
| 01:58.58 | kspath | Jinkguns: just have many nodes like the current Xserve crap |
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| 01:59.30 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: right, but google really isn't set up to do the type of computing that it's doing; and it can't really measure the massively distributed systems like seti@home et al. |
| 01:59.30 | abrotman | Jinkguns: verarisoft.com .. IIRC .. they make the software for bluegene/l |
| 01:59.56 | kspath | Jinkguns: there are tons of blade oriented things to choose from and there are 1U rackmount options just make sure they all have 2-4 GigE network cards |
| 02:00.27 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: seti's a grid system, but anyway - exactly, it's measuring only a very small subset of the biggest systems in the world |
| 02:00.39 | kspath | Jinkguns: just remember distance kills in computing |
| 02:00.45 | whatever | gosh, I'd hate to see the power bill for bluegene |
| 02:00.50 | asuffield | so, if I were building a cluster on that scale, I definitely wouldn't use xserves |
| 02:00.53 | abrotman | whatever: why .. you're paying it :) |
| 02:00.59 | whatever | lol |
| 02:01.01 | asuffield | they're approximately 3 to 4 times as expensive as they should be |
| 02:01.10 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: right, I think we're in agreement there... |
| 02:01.14 | abrotman | asuffield: apple sucks! |
| 02:01.18 | whatever | totally |
| 02:01.30 | asuffield | abrotman: you pay extra for the fragile scratchable brushed grey metal finish |
| 02:01.30 | nanok_ | that has always been the problem with aple, i guess.. |
| 02:01.33 | nanok_ | abrotman: :) |
| 02:01.36 | Jinkguns | Thank god the FRP isn't do for months. |
| 02:01.37 | kspath | Jinkguns: you want tons of cache first and foremost then tons of RAM then tons of RAM disks then tons of slow ass stripped RAID on 10K HDs |
| 02:01.37 | Jinkguns | :) |
| 02:01.39 | asuffield | neither would I use opterons, they're too targetted at multi-processing jobs |
| 02:01.46 | asuffield | I'd go for something build around POWER5 |
| 02:01.48 | asuffield | which means IBM |
| 02:01.48 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: I think it really depends on the problem that you're actually solving, the toolkit used to solve it, the OS used to run the toolkit, and only then does the hardware enter in.. |
| 02:01.52 | abrotman | asuffield: and don't forget the coffee warmer! |
| 02:02.02 | Jinkguns | asuffield, currently browing their pserver website |
| 02:02.21 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: normally you pick the hardware first and then write the code to target it :P |
| 02:02.29 | whatever | asuffield: too targeted for multi-processing jobs? I think you're confusing dual-core and the multi-processor design. |
| 02:02.39 | Jinkguns | Well the Professor running the simulations had his software run on the Earth Simulator for awhile, the spoiled brat. |
| 02:02.46 | abrotman | asuffield: i have a friend who works for verari .. i believe he told me they were working on a way to provide a heterogeneous cluster environment |
| 02:02.54 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: yeah, which is why many of these systems end up getting way less bang for the buck |
| 02:02.59 | kspath | Jinkguns: you may not want all the machines in the same cluster anyways |
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| 02:03.09 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: they let moore work against them, instead of for them.. |
| 02:03.13 | asuffield | whatever: the opteron core is fundamentally designed around multi-processing. a large amount of the die space is given over to features to make it run as fast as possible. all of which is wasted power, money, and time |
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| 02:03.32 | kspath | cross chatter among nodes and master(s) is one scenario you want to avoid |
| 02:03.39 | asuffield | abrotman: people have been working on that for like twenty years. I'll believe it when I own one :P |
| 02:03.43 | abrotman | i suppose unless you have an SMP opteron node |
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| 02:04.07 | dondelelcaro | kspath: depends; see CM-1 for an example where it works. |
| 02:04.13 | bigup | hi there :) |
| 02:04.16 | abrotman | asuffield: oh .. if you use virtualPC .. you can run x86 code on your ppc :) |
| 02:04.16 | bigup | happy new year |
| 02:04.28 | asuffield | kspath: you're thinking about grid systems... now that distinction depends on the problem |
| 02:04.48 | asuffield | some problems run better on grids, some run better on SMPs, some run better non NUMPs |
| 02:05.07 | Jinkguns | But only saw a 60 percent performance increase compared to his desktop machine, because the software wasn't optimized for the earth simulator, so it was always understood that any simulation software we run would be custom for the system. With 1 mil for programmers. :) |
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| 02:05.13 | kspath | too many ways or not enough ;-) |
| 02:05.23 | coslek | nowadays, when i want to download stuff, say kernel, i have choices of -386, -586 and -686. how to make a choice? |
| 02:05.37 | abrotman | coslek: based on your CPU |
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| 02:05.54 | kspath | Jinkguns: how many programmers really do that kind of programming and do it well |
| 02:06.04 | bigup | i'm having a problem on my debian Testing right now, i just came back from hollidays, i've apt-get dist-upgraded my testing and now I have some display problems on my screen with a few gtk applications like rox-filer or gajim (i can send a screen shot), some fonts are blurry and it's impossible to read it$ |
| 02:06.07 | beardy | coslek: What cpu do you have? |
| 02:06.11 | coslek | for P4, what would be the choice? |
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| 02:06.16 | bigup | i'm not the only one with this probem |
| 02:06.18 | beardy | coslek: i686 |
| 02:06.24 | coslek | thks. |
| 02:06.26 | beardy | coslek: or i386 |
| 02:06.30 | whatever | asuffield: yes, the opteron was designed initially with the intent of having multiple cores. and yes, the A64 series with multiple cores is boasting about how it helps with 'true multi-threading', but I don't see how its wasting power/money/time. I didn't say go dual core, I said go 8-way. The communication architecture is beautiful, with no bottlenecking at all, plus its better than anything else out there right now |
| 02:06.35 | coslek | now i am confused. |
| 02:06.51 | RevSlowmo | Is it bad to do a apt-get dist-upgrade on a system that I have not changed the sources.lst |
| 02:07.03 | Guerin | RevSlowmo: depends. |
| 02:07.10 | beardy | coslek: i386 runs on 386 and "up", i686 is for P4 only, you might aswell try i686 |
| 02:07.16 | kspath | Jinkguns: whatever you decide on by the time it is all in place it will all be weaker than current equipment |
| 02:07.21 | abrotman | beardy: no .. 686 is for PII and up |
| 02:07.24 | Guerin | beardy: 686 *is not* p4 only |
| 02:07.26 | blondie | beardy: not P4 only. |
| 02:07.26 | RevSlowmo | Guerin: Can it break things? |
| 02:07.29 | Guerin | ppro |
| 02:07.30 | Guerin | not p2 |
| 02:07.34 | Guerin | jesus people |
| 02:07.44 | kspath | Jinkguns: maybe schedule purchasing 10-50 nodes at a time or something like that |
| 02:07.51 | whatever | asuffield: I mean each chip has its own bank of memory, massive on-die cache, and can make you coffee in the morning too |
| 02:07.53 | beardy | Yeah, it's easier to correct someone then gve an answer.. |
| 02:08.01 | asuffield | whatever: it's actually not better than POWER5, in general, although it can outperform it in some cases. but anyway, it's got nothing to do with multiple cores. multi-processing is when you are running multiple processes together - unix is fundmentally a multi-processing system, dos is fundamentally not. scientific applications typically have absolutely no use for this behaviour |
| 02:08.05 | bigup | nobody has a problem with gtk fonts on debian right now here? |
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| 02:08.16 | Guerin | bigup: /msg dpkg gtk fontsize |
| 02:08.17 | kspath | Jinkguns: that way you can get good pricing and keep up with changes in technology as you go? |
| 02:08.23 | asuffield | whatever: so all the hardware in the opteron designed to make it run effectively - is useless |
| 02:08.33 | RevSlowmo | at/msg dpkg gtk fontsize |
| 02:08.42 | bigup | thanks |
| 02:08.43 | whatever | asuffield: I am aware that it has nothing to do with multiple cores, thats what I said. |
| 02:08.52 | nanok_ | asuffield: it has, when you have many users doing that shit at the same time ;) |
| 02:09.11 | whatever | nanok_: its theoretically one process |
| 02:09.15 | kspath | Jinkguns: if you split the "cluster" into N-sub-clusters you might still do what you want |
| 02:09.17 | asuffield | nanok_: yes, like on unix. but scientific applications don't *do* that |
| 02:09.22 | Jinkguns | kspath, but then I end up with a supercomputer comprised of varying hardware. Which is unsexy to support. |
| 02:09.36 | bigup | Guerin: RevSlowmo thans you, what package upgrade did fucked this up? |
| 02:09.46 | asuffield | for raw processing power POWER5 normally wins because opteron only goes up to 16-way - POWER5 already goes up to 512-way and bigger. opteron tends to win on latency and low-end scalability. POWER5 trounces it utterly on IO performance |
| 02:09.51 | Jinkguns | like, 4 or 5 different types for nodes and masters are fine, but 40 or so. ;) |
| 02:10.09 | whatever | asuffield: see, at the same time, I don't think it comes down to what the science project software does, but the clustering software itself that manages all the cpus that blame should fall on |
| 02:10.20 | kspath | Jinkguns: I am not even talking 4-5 necessarily |
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| 02:10.25 | coslek | can i conclude that for P4 cpu, -686 is most suitable? |
| 02:10.37 | kspath | Jinkguns: if you bought TYAN boards and stuck with that |
| 02:10.39 | Guerin | coslek: /msg dpkg 686 |
| 02:10.42 | kspath | for an example |
| 02:10.48 | whatever | coslek: 286 is better |
| 02:11.02 | whatever | coslek: ...or was that a serious question? |
| 02:11.03 | Guerin | 686 is a palindrome |
| 02:11.06 | coslek | whatever: no joke, pls. this is serious matter. |
| 02:11.14 | Guerin | which means it has more antibogosity |
| 02:11.19 | kspath | Jinkguns: I know what you mean by supporting so many different kinds of hardware at once it sucks |
| 02:12.09 | kspath | Jinkguns: map out your choices in hardware and see if you can get a good price in a bulk purchase or stretched out over time |
| 02:12.21 | kspath | Jinkguns: using same hardware more or less |
| 02:12.40 | whatever | asuffield: because if you look at it from the aspect of the clustering software, its just sending out bits of data to be processed, hence, cpu management falls to it, period. |
| 02:12.43 | kspath | Jinkguns: like Opterons on TYANs with Crucial RAM or whatever |
| 02:13.25 | asuffield | whatever: it's never going to be sending more than one job to one cpu at once (unless it's a cray) - there wouldn't be any point |
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| 02:13.57 | mxldr_ | !sound |
| 02:13.57 | dpkg | sound is probably ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 02:13.59 | mxldr_ | @sound |
| 02:14.02 | whatever | asuffield: why would it? |
| 02:14.09 | mxldr_ | !alsa for morons |
| 02:14.09 | dpkg | from memory, alsa for morons is 1) remove all sound-related kernel modules 2) run alsaconf 3) disable all sound servers 4) hope, or echo -e "snd-your-module" >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 02:14.15 | Jinkguns | asuffield, the software hasn't been written yet, we can make it do whatever we want. :) |
| 02:14.18 | beardy | !abuse all bots |
| 02:14.18 | dpkg | all bots: Shut your festering gob, you tit! |
| 02:14.19 | whatever | asuffield: I'm failing to see your point |
| 02:14.37 | nanok_ | however, how much opteron power vs. power5 power do you get, for the same amount of money? that is what it all comes down to, in this case.. |
| 02:14.39 | kspath | Jinkguns: just remember that Level1 cache and Level2 cache as big as you can get will make a significant difference on processing in many cases like mathematics |
| 02:14.49 | mxldr_ | where do i get alsa conf? |
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| 02:15.43 | tuv | how can i scan the isa bus? |
| 02:15.43 | Eno_ | Where can I find out more about why mplayer isn't packaged in Debian? |
| 02:15.48 | liable | mxldr_: alsa-utils (or base, cant remember which, the depend on each other anyway) |
| 02:15.54 | kspath | Jinkguns: I am seeing a 550Mhz PIII with 512KB kicking a 600Mhz PIII with 128K cache but all over the place |
| 02:15.58 | liable | Eno_: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 02:16.03 | Jinkguns | So, my problem is really how do I figure out which hardware solution gives us the most bang per buck. |
| 02:16.10 | Eno_ | liable: dpkg just tells me "complicated reasons" |
| 02:16.24 | whatever | Jinkguns: indeed |
| 02:16.25 | liable | Eno_: doesnt it give a link? |
| 02:16.25 | fooz | there a command to install build-depends for a package without spelling them all out? |
| 02:16.34 | blondie | Eno_: we're not having that discussion again! |
| 02:16.35 | kspath | Jinkguns: there is also heat/cooling maintence HDs die |
| 02:16.36 | Eno_ | liable: As to why? nope.. |
| 02:16.37 | fooz | nm i got it |
| 02:16.38 | figfig | What do I have to do so that I can see a utf-8 file to display porperly using simple tools like emacs and less.... I've been trying for a while now and it does not work. |
| 02:16.39 | beardy | !tell tuv -about isapnp |
| 02:16.56 | Eno_ | blondie: Well, is there a legitamite reason? |
| 02:17.05 | whatever | Jinkguns: yeah, gosh, heating is going to be a huge issue |
| 02:17.06 | kspath | Jinkguns: some clusters run with no HDs |
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| 02:17.12 | liable | Eno_: last comment in the factoid |
| 02:17.17 | blondie | yes, those software patents that americans have :) |
| 02:17.29 | Eno_ | Doh |
| 02:17.29 | whatever | oh gosh, not patents again! |
| 02:17.37 | blondie | EOF |
| 02:17.39 | figfig | no matter what I do I still see garbage characters from my utf-8 file. |
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| 02:17.41 | kspath | Jinkguns: you need a GOOD infrastructure person on your electrical supplies |
| 02:17.55 | maxwell_ | Could somone explain what this does? fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules |
| 02:17.55 | maxwell_ | fakeroot debian/rules binary-utils |
| 02:17.55 | maxwell_ | cd .. |
| 02:18.07 | nanok_ | kspath: did you mean army? |
| 02:18.09 | nanok_ | :) |
| 02:18.27 | figfig | I have set LANG to en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 02:18.31 | whatever | Jinkguns: doors, don't forget doors too. |
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| 02:18.33 | kspath | after it is built you will want someone you can call or have on site |
| 02:18.35 | maxwell_ | It's under a guide for installing NIDSwrapper in Ubuntu, and it won't work. |
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| 02:18.42 | whatever | Jinkguns: and probably a good halon system too |
| 02:18.49 | nanok_ | figfig: dpkg-reconfigure locales, perhaps |
| 02:18.55 | kspath | with a cluster you want it all built and tested or built in sections |
| 02:19.05 | figfig | nanok- I did that and it did nothing. |
| 02:19.25 | whatever | kspath: consider it a clean room? |
| 02:19.27 | WiFiTux | can anyone reccomend a nice utility to convert music? soundconverter is not running because it says gtk is not there. (obviously it is) |
| 02:19.29 | kspath | halon COUGH where did the air go |
| 02:19.40 | maxwell_ | Heh. Halon is not good for the breathing. |
| 02:19.41 | whatever | kspath: oxygen is for the weak! |
| 02:19.42 | kspath | well you do not want dust |
| 02:19.49 | coslek | is udev restricted to certain version of kernel? can i use it with 2.6.8? |
| 02:19.55 | kspath | but clean room might be too much |
| 02:20.01 | Jinkguns | kspath, you mean solid state memory storage. |
| 02:20.16 | whatever | Jinkguns: too overpriced. just do a network boot. |
| 02:20.19 | kspath | a positive pressured room pushing cooled air in and filtering |
| 02:20.20 | liable | WiFiTux: from? to? sox? |
| 02:20.47 | maxwell_ | fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules (could someone tell me what this does?) |
| 02:20.48 | kspath | Jinkguns: yes either as PCI boards and/or via network |
| 02:20.49 | figfig | Is there anyone here who has gotten unicode working? |
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| 02:21.13 | WiFiTux | liable: wma to mp3? |
| 02:21.14 | blondie | no I like my ASCII! |
| 02:21.21 | kspath | Jinkguns: but the Level2 cache is more important than RAM disks in most cases |
| 02:21.25 | whatever | kspath: you're better off using ram bus instead of pci for cost |
| 02:21.37 | Christians4GNT2 | What else should I have in my apt sources? http://files.madskillz.cc/test/test.txt |
| 02:21.50 | bodhisattva | hello, im trying to get sound working, in sarge, i ran apt-get install alsa, ans alsamixer |
| 02:21.55 | blondie | Christians4GNT2: stop trolling |
| 02:22.04 | liable | WiFiTux: sox? |
| 02:22.05 | kspath | cost is relative to purpose maybe less nodes and more computing power depends |
| 02:22.10 | bodhisattva | programs seem to play the CD but i get no sound, speakers are fine |
| 02:22.16 | SimonRaven | Christians4GNT2: 127.0.0.1/dists |
| 02:22.17 | blondie | abrotman: why didn't he get kicked? it makes blondie cry |
| 02:22.24 | abrotman | who ? |
| 02:22.27 | WiFiTux | liable: ok, will try that. |
| 02:22.45 | abrotman | blondie: because bear didn't kline him .. even though he's a tard .. and was spamming |
| 02:22.46 | blondie | the gentoo christian spammer |
| 02:22.55 | nanok_ | figfig: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales |
| 02:22.55 | blondie | who is now trolling instead :) |
| 02:23.00 | abrotman | Christians4GNT2: are you on drugs? |
| 02:23.08 | kspath | well I am done I can keep talking and saying nothing plus I am unemployed so I need to get back to studying and finding a job |
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| 02:23.22 | blondie | kspath: bye o.O |
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| 02:23.42 | whatever | I should get out of here, talking here consumes all my time |
| 02:23.43 | whatever | :P |
| 02:23.47 | whatever | its been a pleasure ^_^ |
| 02:23.52 | ke6isf | whatever: That's the point of IRC. =^^= |
| 02:24.06 | WiFiTux | liable: do you know if it supports wma? also does it convert songs with drm? |
| 02:24.07 | whatever | ke6isf: oh gosh |
| 02:24.12 | coslek | is udev restricted to certain version of kernel? can i use it with 2.6.8? |
| 02:24.12 | abrotman | Christians4GNT2: why are you still here anyways? |
| 02:24.31 | whatever | lates, thanks to those who helped me out |
| 02:24.39 | blondie | he got kicked out of the troll hostel :( |
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| 02:24.43 | liable | WiFiTux: yes and dont know :) check out the homepage at sourceforge |
| 02:24.57 | abrotman | blondie: i'd have kicked him the other day .. but i'm not an op .. and none were around |
| 02:25.10 | fooz | xorg is so much harder to build than XFree86 :/ |
| 02:25.18 | WiFiTux | liable: hhmm the man page doesn't list wma :( but I will try anyway. Thanks! |
| 02:25.36 | liable | np |
| 02:25.36 | kspath | one last thing |
| 02:26.07 | figfig | nonok_: That seemed to help, at least I was asked questions, but the end result is that it still doesn't work. |
| 02:26.36 | kspath | Jinkguns: you almost have to start the cluster with 10-20 nodes first to see where the bottlenecks are then design the big version around that taking the problems you encountered before into account |
| 02:26.50 | close_to_debian | rsync -azvl --exclude-from=/opt/exclude_list --delete -e "ssh -p xxxx -i "/home/xxxx/.ssh/id_rsa"" xxxx@xxxx:/home/cxxx/ /home/cxxxx |
| 02:27.03 | nanok_ | figfig: the point was for you to also tick the needed utf8 locale. did you do that? |
| 02:27.10 | close_to_debian | The rsync exclude list does not work why? |
| 02:27.13 | figfig | I did that. |
| 02:27.25 | Jinkguns | hrm. |
| 02:27.49 | close_to_debian | The exclude list contaisn the list of dirs to exclude |
| 02:28.06 | WiFiTux | what could this mean? ImportError: No module named gtk |
| 02:28.15 | close_to_debian | including .ssh dir |
| 02:28.23 | blondie | grrrr |
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| 02:30.22 | coslek | I have "Mounting local filesystems...failed" during boot-up. System works fine after boot-up. I have put it to the web search, no answer. Anyone here has any suggestion? |
| 02:30.49 | blondie | close_to_debian: you mean it copies the excluded ones |
| 02:30.51 | blondie | ? |
| 02:31.16 | nanok_ | coslek: check your fstab |
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| 02:31.28 | cafuego | !info rhythmbox sid |
| 02:31.34 | coslek | nanok_: check for what? |
| 02:31.38 | dpkg | rhythmbox: (music player and organizer for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-13 (sid), Packaged size: 1839 kB, Installed size: 3696 kB |
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| 02:31.45 | nanok_ | coslek: if you don't feal the problem then why bother.. :) |
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| 02:31.52 | beardy | !fstab |
| 02:31.52 | dpkg | from memory, fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
| 02:31.54 | nanok_ | coslek: just cat /etc/fstab |
| 02:31.55 | close_to_debian | blondie: yes |
| 02:31.56 | WiFiTux | liable: :( sox: Failed reading /mnt/musica/Primus/Primus-Camelback Cinema.wma: Do not understand format type: wma |
| 02:32.06 | nanok_ | coslek: and you'l figure it out probablly |
| 02:32.15 | blondie | close_to_debian: can rsync read the file? |
| 02:32.18 | coslek | nanok_: you can bet that i have done that. but what to look for? |
| 02:32.19 | blondie | the list |
| 02:32.39 | liable | WiFiTux: yeah, my bad, i read microsoft wav and my feeble brain converted it to wma.. |
| 02:32.47 | nanok_ | coslek: say mount -a and read what it says |
| 02:33.05 | WiFiTux | liable: no problem. ;-) |
| 02:33.07 | close_to_debian | blondie: rsync is run as root and the file ha perm set to 644 |
| 02:33.20 | blondie | hmm dunno |
| 02:33.34 | liable | WiFiTux: http://www.linux.com/howtos/MP3-CD-Burning/audio.shtml |
| 02:33.36 | nanok_ | liable: that is called self protection, blocking out, etc. the brain is a marveleus piece of hardware :) |
| 02:33.38 | blondie | it hasn't copied the structure but left the directories empty has it? |
| 02:33.57 | coslek | nanok_: should i post it to #flood? it is a short file. this is my first time doing it. can you tell me how to send to #flood? |
| 02:34.04 | close_to_debian | blondie: i have --delete flag set so it deletes it |
| 02:34.11 | nanok_ | coslek: /j #flood |
| 02:34.18 | liable | nanok_: and infuriating at the same time :) |
| 02:34.21 | blondie | hm |
| 02:34.31 | close_to_debian | blondie: i have the list of dis to exclude in /opt/exclude_list |
| 02:34.33 | coslek | nanok_: ok, i will do it now. |
| 02:34.38 | Jinkguns | I just tried NX, it's amazing. |
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| 02:34.40 | close_to_debian | blondie: Any idea |
| 02:34.45 | stronGz | hello |
| 02:34.49 | nanok_ | Jinkguns: ;) |
| 02:36.00 | blondie | nope :| |
| 02:36.24 | coslek | nanok_: it is done. |
| 02:36.37 | nanok_ | coslek: output from mount -a |
| 02:36.38 | nanok_ | ? |
| 02:36.40 | stronGz | I am Brazilian, my English can be wrong, more would like to share my community GNU/LINUX - http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=5393737 |
| 02:36.42 | stronGz | =) |
| 02:36.52 | beardy | !br |
| 02:36.52 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:36.53 | blondie | no |
| 02:37.00 | WiFiTux | liable: ha! then maybe maplyer. |
| 02:37.01 | beardy | I doubt they like it more than we though.. |
| 02:37.02 | WiFiTux | mplayer |
| 02:37.25 | blondie | stronGz: and no spamming! |
| 02:37.33 | stronGz | yes |
| 02:37.42 | justice_ | no |
| 02:38.01 | blondie | error |
| 02:38.08 | stronGz | excuse |
| 02:38.08 | dabaR__ | default |
| 02:38.08 | justice_ | lol |
| 02:38.10 | liable | WiFiTux: looks like it might :) |
| 02:38.11 | nanok_ | coslek: ext2 on / ? why the f, this is de 21st century.. :P |
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| 02:38.48 | coslek | nanok_: mount -a produces nothing. ext2 issue discuss later. |
| 02:39.22 | skon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:39.35 | blondie | skon: run apt-setuo |
| 02:39.35 | beardy | !apt-setup |
| 02:39.36 | dpkg | i guess apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. |
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| 02:39.47 | skon | Thank you |
| 02:40.53 | coslek | nanok_: how now? |
| 02:41.35 | bodhisattva | !alsa |
| 02:41.35 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 02:43.16 | dabaR__ | dpkg: how many hours do you spend on IRC every day? Don't you think you are overdoing it? |
| 02:43.17 | dpkg | dabaR__: I think you lost me on that one |
| 02:43.54 | liable | !uptime |
| 02:44.01 | dabaR__ | nice |
| 02:44.14 | close_to_debian | blondie: I found it rsync excludes patters not path |
| 02:44.44 | close_to_debian | How can i give the pattern to exclude .ssh |
| 02:45.00 | dabaR__ | you mean to excluede *.ssh? |
| 02:45.07 | close_to_debian | yes |
| 02:45.18 | nanok_ | coslek: strange. it seems ok. imho, if there is no visible trouble, pospone it for a rainy day |
| 02:45.45 | blondie | close_to_debian: er read the FILTER RULES section of the man page |
| 02:45.49 | nanok_ | also, i do need to sleep, so i'm afraid i'll have to leave you guys.. |
| 02:45.53 | coslek | nanok_: ok, thks for the effort. happy new year to you. |
| 02:45.54 | close_to_debian | and i have exclude a dir /home/aa/aa/aa/attachements |
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| 02:46.03 | close_to_debian | only the attachments dir |
| 02:46.14 | nanok_ | coslek: try to google around a bit, but i wouldnt worry so much.. |
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| 02:48.10 | coslek | nanok_: i prefer 'search web' to 'google'. i had done that and it took me to guess what, debian mailing list. no solution in that mail though. |
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| 02:48.32 | bodhisattva | can someone gimme a hand setting up the sound in sarge? |
| 02:48.52 | bodhisattva | i tryed installing alsa and the mixer.. just didnt get any sound back |
| 02:49.02 | bodhisattva | i cant find any good howto online |
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| 02:49.32 | bodhisattva | the user is in audio, alsaconf found my SB |
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| 02:50.10 | coslek | bodhisattva: assumming u hv install the right stuff, hv u check that the sound vol is set high enough, with alsa=mixer? |
| 02:50.19 | kspath | Jink: if you can customize the most critical part of the projects calculations to fit entirely in the level2 cache your performance might sky rocket |
| 02:50.21 | coslek | i mean alsa-mixer. |
| 02:50.45 | bodhisattva | i tryed it was alittle hard to tell |
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| 02:51.13 | bodhisattva | i used the alsamixergui and im pretty sure everything was unmuted |
| 02:51.25 | bodhisattva | nothing was all the way down |
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| 02:51.43 | coslek | bodhisattva: put them all the way up. |
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| 02:51.58 | bodhisattva | the sound card is a creative labs SB audigy2 if that helps/matters |
| 02:51.59 | bodhisattva | ok |
| 02:52.24 | coslek | bodhisattva: then run arecord a.wav, ctrl-c, aplay a.wav. |
| 02:53.05 | coslek | bodhisattva: then run arecord a.wav, say something into the mic loudly, ctrl-c, aplay a.wav. |
| 02:53.25 | bodhisattva | i dont have a mic i have a CD tho |
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| 02:56.45 | bodhisattva | im getting nothing |
| 02:57.07 | bodhisattva | i used alsamixer nothing is muted and the vol is all the way up for everythnig |
| 02:57.17 | bodhisattva | alsaconf found the card |
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| 02:57.49 | coslek | does the card requires any setting? |
| 02:57.54 | vkd | hey guys, question, I am getting a Pcmcia " no pcmcia driver in /proc/devices" but dmesg shows Yenta: CardBus bridge found at 0000:02:01.0 [1028:011e]. Now I turned off kernel device versioning, so what can be causing this. It's compiled in, so it's not a module missing problem. Anyone seen this? Notebook is Dell 600m |
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| 03:00.41 | coslek | bodhisattva: check that the speaker is properly plug in. while playing a cd, fiddle with the plug, hear any noise? |
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| 03:03.51 | bodhisattva | only a little static |
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| 03:03.56 | bodhisattva | its in the right port.. |
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| 03:05.16 | ohad | hi all, quick question - i was prompt during boot that i need to run fsck. i did so, everything went well and the machine rebooted, then when the machine rebooted at the grub menu i got the following: GRUB Loading Stage 1.5. |
| 03:05.20 | ohad | GRUB Loading, Please wait... |
| 03:05.21 | ohad | Error 2 |
| 03:05.34 | close_to_debian | blondie: Thanks i figured it out |
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| 03:05.55 | scravo | sd |
| 03:06.09 | ohad | is there a way to save my machine or is it dead? it seems that there's is nothing under the menu.lst |
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| 03:06.30 | blondie | l |
| 03:06.31 | blondie | k |
| 03:06.42 | loneliness | hi |
| 03:06.47 | coslek | bodhisattva: so you can hear the sound. HW is ok. it is the SW. besides the sound package, the kernel has to be set properly too. |
| 03:07.16 | loneliness | you know where found the file source of command cp ? |
| 03:07.19 | kspath | k3d blender pov-ray are it as far as 3d/rendering ? |
| 03:07.22 | ohad | anyone ? |
| 03:07.29 | loneliness | sorry for my english i'm french |
| 03:07.40 | liable | ohad: try re-installing grub from a rescue disk |
| 03:07.54 | coslek | i had sound problem before. i came here for solution. it was traced to my kernel setting for sound. |
| 03:07.57 | liable | loneliness: core-utils |
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| 03:08.08 | loneliness | ah ok thanks |
| 03:08.10 | cakoose | I have a custom built 2.6.7 kernel which has been working fine for me. I used basically the same config on a 2.6.14.5 kernel and get a panic. "VFS: Cannot open root device "hde6" or unknown-block(0,0)" |
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| 03:08.47 | cakoose | Before I see that message, I see a line that seems to indicate that hde6 was correctly identified to be my hard drive. |
| 03:09.19 | dvs | cakoose: You compile it yourself? |
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| 03:10.52 | ohad | liable: ok. i'll try that. one i've reinstalled grub what should i do? |
| 03:10.56 | ohad | liable: reboot? |
| 03:11.03 | cakoose | dvs: Yes, compiled myself |
| 03:11.04 | liable | ohad: yep |
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| 03:11.16 | zxc | is there any chance to read iptables information from /proc or anything else than using iptables -L ? |
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| 03:11.34 | dvs | cakoose: Then you either have to put the IDE controller and file systems into the kernel itself (not as a module) or you have to make an initrd file |
| 03:12.05 | cakoose | dvs: I think they're all compiled in. |
| 03:12.07 | ohad | liable: ok, i'll try it. thanks |
| 03:12.17 | dvs | cakoose: No, or else you wouldn't get that error |
| 03:12.32 | cakoose | dvs: Well, what other modules are involved? |
| 03:12.56 | cakoose | dvs: I'm sure the SATA and ext3 components are compiled in. But I'm not sure what else I need. |
| 03:13.40 | dvs | cakoose: You'd need the chipset compiled in. (SATA is not a chipset) |
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| 03:14.21 | cakoose | dvs: I have the silicon image chipset compiled in as well |
| 03:14.52 | cakoose | dvs: I see the line "hde: ..., ATA DISK drive" at boot |
| 03:15.25 | dvs | cakoose: What does "grep EXT3 .config" say? |
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| 03:15.48 | bluefox83 | where should i go for help with a router ? |
| 03:16.03 | coslek | can i make the system display some graphics in place of those scrolling texts during boot-up? |
| 03:16.13 | doleyb | bluefox83: anyplace, but #hardware is one |
| 03:16.22 | cakoose | dvs: CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y, and some other EXT3 options. |
| 03:16.24 | Thorrn4 | hello I have a problem, no JAVA programs on the internet work. Is there a apt-get package for JAVA? |
| 03:16.47 | bbrazil | !java |
| 03:16.47 | dpkg | it has been said that java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 03:17.31 | dvs | cakoose: Actually, silicon image is the SATA chipset. I'm talking about the main motherboard chipset (Intel 915 for example) |
| 03:17.31 | doleyb | Thorrn4: btw it is not JAVA, its Java |
| 03:17.45 | Thorrn4 | sorry doleyb |
| 03:18.00 | cakoose | dvs: I have an nForce2. When I do 'grep NFORCE .config', I get 'CONFIG_I2C_NFORCE2=m' |
| 03:18.02 | Thorrn4 | sites like http://time.gov dont work |
| 03:18.08 | abrotman | doleyb: they can't all be like BASIC :) |
| 03:18.10 | dvs | cakoose: Bingo! |
| 03:18.18 | cakoose | dvs: Do I need i2c support? |
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| 03:18.47 | ke6isf | !i2c |
| 03:18.47 | dpkg | i2c, or the Inter IC bus, is a method of communicating between ICs typically found on modern motherboards via a serial bus. Invented by phillips, this bus is typically used for temperature sensors and the ilk, although it has other uses as well. See http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/markets/mms/protocols/i2c/ for more information, or the i2c-source and derived packages in Debian. |
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| 03:18.53 | doleyb | Oh, that's interesting. time.gov used to fallback to a static html page, but now it only provides java applet |
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| 03:19.11 | doleyb | Well, can fallback manually |
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| 03:19.17 | ke6isf | cakoose: If you don't understand anything in that factoid for i2c, then no, you don't need it. |
| 03:19.25 | loneliness | nothing in coreutils, no file source of the command cp o_O |
| 03:19.25 | kspath | 3D software for linux: k3d - pov-ray - blender - Wings3D - yafray - toxic - aqsis - jahshaka ? |
| 03:19.30 | dvs | cakoose: Not i2c but the support for nForce2 in general. I'll try and find the option. |
| 03:19.31 | loneliness | just 3 files |
| 03:19.33 | Thorrn4 | so, is there no package in apt-get that could help me? |
| 03:19.39 | doleyb | !install java |
| 03:19.39 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
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| 03:19.46 | kspath | does that look right? of course that leaves out mathematics packages |
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| 03:19.51 | loneliness | i don't understand |
| 03:19.52 | abrotman | doleyb: works without java here |
| 03:20.12 | doleyb | Thorrn4: you apt-get install java-package, then you grab java from sun.com or someplace, and java-package will install it for you |
| 03:20.14 | ke6isf | Thorrn4: Somebody called up the java factoid. You should '/msg dpkg java', read the entire factoid, and follow all instructions therein.. |
| 03:20.22 | bluefox83 | ok, #hardware wasn't very forthcoming... if i want my pc to use a specific ip, do i have to tell my router to use static routing, or do i have to tell my pc what ip to use? |
| 03:20.32 | bluefox83 | or both? |
| 03:20.41 | abrotman | isn't there a basic netowrking howto ? |
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| 03:20.46 | ke6isf | bluefox83: both. |
| 03:20.46 | doleyb | bluefox83: you can do it multiple ways. static ip on the pc is a simple way. |
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| 03:21.12 | ke6isf | bluefox83: As I understand it, if you set a static IP and your router is expecting to give out dynamically, interesting things can happen. |
| 03:21.12 | coslek | can i make the system display some graphics in place of those scrolling texts during boot-up? |
| 03:21.16 | bluefox83 | doleyb, so i can let the other systems on the router keep dynamic ip's? |
| 03:21.17 | abrotman | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Networking-Overview-HOWTO.html |
| 03:21.26 | maxwell | Pardon me, but could anyone tell me how to get dh-make? |
| 03:21.31 | cakoose | dvs: I think I found the option and yes, it's a module. Lemme try changing it. |
| 03:21.35 | abrotman | maxwell: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:21.47 | dvs | cakoose: BLK_DEV_SIIMAGE? |
| 03:21.49 | Gnea | !dbugs 309143 |
| 03:21.52 | dpkg | DONE:#309143:G[xlibs] xlibs: libxpm4's new s_popen() function is insecure garbage; Thu, 12 May 2005 11:03:05 UTC |
| 03:21.53 | bluefox83 | arg, i really don't want to have to fill out the routing table =( |
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| 03:22.02 | cakoose | dvs: Actually, CONFIG_AGP_NVIDIA |
| 03:22.07 | cakoose | dvs: But maybe that's only for AGP |
| 03:22.08 | abrotman | Gnea: did you file that ? |
| 03:22.12 | maxwell | abrotman: do I enter that in the command line? |
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| 03:22.15 | bitflesh | which sources do I need to install 2.6 kernel images? apt keeps telling me that packages aren't available or obsolete... |
| 03:22.19 | doleyb | bluefox83: you might consider setting the router to permanently associate 1 ip with your PC's MAC |
| 03:22.20 | abrotman | maxwell: right here in your irc client |
| 03:22.22 | dvs | cakoose: Yeah, that might help |
| 03:22.22 | Gnea | abrotman: no, it's already fixed, it just showed up |
| 03:22.23 | bitflesh | sorry, not images, sources |
| 03:22.24 | abrotman | !tell maxwell about search |
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| 03:22.32 | maxwell | I did that, and nothing happened. |
| 03:22.32 | abrotman | Gnea: i found a funny one earlier |
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| 03:22.40 | Gnea | abrotman: which one? |
| 03:22.42 | cakoose | dvs: But on my 2.6.7 kernel, it's a module and it works fine. |
| 03:22.44 | kspath | ke6isf: no one ever stops learning perl it is a never ending process |
| 03:22.51 | maxwell | (Yes, I'm really, really a newbie. Too many years of Windows.) |
| 03:22.54 | bluefox83 | doleyb, soon as i figure out how i'll get right on that... |
| 03:22.54 | abrotman | Gnea: maybe it wasn't today |
| 03:22.57 | abrotman | Gnea: wait |
| 03:23.05 | ke6isf | kspath: Yes, but now I have a book. I'm simply becoming familiar with the language so as I can embark on the path. |
| 03:23.10 | liable | bluefox83: read dhclients conf file :) |
| 03:23.10 | abrotman | Gnea: it was from .. xserver-xorg |
| 03:23.11 | prjktdtnt | maxwell: dont worry...i was the same...you get more and more used to it |
| 03:23.13 | doleyb | bluefox83: if your router is debian, then add fixed-address to /etc/dhcpd.conf |
| 03:23.15 | Thorrn4 | thanx doleyb |
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| 03:23.29 | prjktdtnt | What is the best bootsplash type program? |
| 03:23.31 | abrotman | Gnea: i'm looking |
| 03:23.42 | bluefox83 | doleyb, router is a linksys 4 port router, i couldn't get my system to work like a router :/ |
| 03:24.13 | prjktdtnt | also how do you configure what starts/doesnt start and what other operations are perfomed at boot (to reduce boot time) |
| 03:24.18 | prjktdtnt | ? |
| 03:24.32 | maxwell | Well, I'm still wildly confused about what it does. |
| 03:24.32 | doleyb | prjktdtnt: uninstall things you don't want to start |
| 03:24.44 | cakoose | dvs: Is there a way to get the kernel to print out more diagnostics to the screen during boot? |
| 03:24.49 | doleyb | prjktdtnt: because seriously, if you don't want them running, why even have them on disk? |
| 03:25.00 | dvs | cakoose: Debug info? |
| 03:25.04 | prjktdtnt | doleyb: some of them i do want running...but only when i run them myself |
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| 03:25.12 | maxwell | I'm currently running Ubuntu, but it appears to be for Debian, so... |
| 03:25.18 | maxwell | Or debian packages, at least. |
| 03:25.37 | prjktdtnt | doleyb: some of them are usefull at times but were set to auto-start at boot and i dont want them to |
| 03:25.40 | liable | maxwell: /topic |
| 03:25.58 | cakoose | cakoose: Yeah...anything additional that might pinpoint the problem. |
| 03:26.06 | TGoC | maxwell try /join #ubuntu? |
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| 03:26.36 | cakoose | dvs: Err...was talking to myself :) Yeah, is there some kind of verbose=true option I can pass to the kernel during boot? |
| 03:26.43 | abrotman | Gnea: i can't find it it .. though mikeusa12's bug is htere |
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| 03:26.51 | freeburd | does anyone know how to fix the side buttons on a 7 button mouse in xorg 6.9? |
| 03:27.10 | abrotman | Gnea: oh wait . .i found it .. #332356: debconf is very questioning during upgrade |
| 03:27.38 | maxwell | The Ubuntu folks said to ask here. |
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| 03:27.45 | abrotman | maxwell: they lied |
| 03:27.49 | TGoC | The debian folks tell you to ask there |
| 03:27.53 | maxwell | Heh. |
| 03:27.57 | abrotman | and we know more than they do! |
| 03:27.58 | TGoC | You are running ubuntu? |
| 03:28.01 | maxwell | Yes. |
| 03:28.04 | maxwell | Feel free to laugh. |
| 03:28.07 | malus | well.. this Toshitty Craptop just signed it's death warrant |
| 03:28.08 | TGoC | then you belong in ubuntu |
| 03:28.09 | TGoC | :) |
| 03:28.17 | TGoC | this is for real debian users |
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| 03:28.44 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 332356 |
| 03:28.44 | doleyb | maxwell: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
| 03:28.46 | dpkg | DONE:#332356:M[xserver-xorg] debconf is very questioning during upgrade; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 00:03:01 UTC |
| 03:28.53 | maxwell | malus: What's up with your laptop? (I know hardware, thankfully.) |
| 03:28.53 | hammerabi | maxwell: who in #ubuntu suggested coming here? |
| 03:28.57 | maxwell | Dunno. |
| 03:29.01 | TGoC | :/ |
| 03:29.19 | freeburd | im using sid, and since the recent upgrade form xorg 6.8.2 to 6.9.0 the side buttons on my mouse quit working, and ive tried changing the zaxismapping around, and fiddled with every combination of buttons in xmodmap, and they still dont work |
| 03:29.40 | malus | max, you don't want to know. |
| 03:29.46 | maxwell | Try me. |
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| 03:29.55 | dvs | cakoose: I think the extra info is specific to each kernel feature. |
| 03:29.59 | TGoC | Well i left a message in #ubuntu to not forward ubuntu users to here, see if they can read :) |
| 03:30.16 | twysted | tgoc ill make sure no one does that anymore :) |
| 03:30.17 | hammerabi | ugh, don't do that |
| 03:30.17 | malus | this POS Crapelite just f0rked me for the last time |
| 03:30.18 | Gnea | heh |
| 03:30.34 | maxwell | "forked"? |
| 03:30.37 | TGoC | why not /mode #debian +b ~T:OS:*unbuntu* :p |
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| 03:30.48 | malus | and to make matters worse, ikn my fit of rage, i broke a wine glass and am bleedikng all over my damne dkeboard |
| 03:31.01 | maxwell | Keyboards are easy enough. |
| 03:31.01 | TGoC | There should actually be a unrealmodule of that! :) |
| 03:31.01 | Eno_ | Yeah! Down with Ubuntu! |
| 03:31.20 | maxwell | Pop it off, and swab it out with q-tips and rubbing alcohol. |
| 03:31.28 | bluefox83 | malus, you might want to stop the bleeding... |
| 03:31.38 | malus | OK. so. gdm won't f**king start now, G-d knows why. My mac betrayed me and safari won't launch to google the problem. |
| 03:31.46 | twysted | stopping bleeding is good |
| 03:31.47 | maxwell | Yah. Blood can really mess up PCB traces. |
| 03:31.49 | bluefox83 | alcohol + bleeding = bleed to death |
| 03:31.50 | malus | i KNEW i pikcked the wrong week to quit amphetimines |
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| 03:32.06 | TGoC | alcohol + bleeding = dieing drunk |
| 03:32.11 | cakoose | dvs: I noticed that with the working kernel (2.6.7), I see an extra message that says "hde: 321672960 sectors ..." after the "hde: ..., ATA DISK drive" message. I don't think I saw that with the 2.6.14.5 kernel. |
| 03:32.22 | cakoose | dvs: Gr...I guess I have to reboot to make sure. |
| 03:32.30 | malus | ugh. |
| 03:32.32 | cakoose | dvs: brb |
| 03:32.33 | maxwell | Dude...get a band-aid. Not only will you screw up you'll computer, but you'll be too dead to fix it. |
| 03:32.35 | dvs | cakoose: risque |
| 03:32.37 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 03:32.47 | malus | damnit all to hell i broke my ibook |
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| 03:32.54 | maxwell | What happened to it? |
| 03:33.00 | TGoC | good Malagmyr, now don't buy crap again |
| 03:33.01 | bluefox83 | on the bright side, if you bleed to death you wont have to pay taxes anymore... |
| 03:33.04 | TGoC | malus i ment |
| 03:33.11 | maxwell | I've got a boatload of parts, and I've repaired them a few times before. |
| 03:33.33 | maxwell | TGoC: Don't be knocking on the iBook. They're very nicely designed. |
| 03:33.48 | TGoC | maxwell for throwing away purposes, yes. |
| 03:33.48 | Keegan_Witt | malus, was there an error it gave when gdm wouldn't start? |
| 03:33.57 | malus | yeah, well, my bandaid pulled off two keys, so now i've got a problem |
| 03:34.01 | malus | ARHHG |
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| 03:34.11 | maxwell | Malus: Be REALLY careful not to lose the rubber bits. |
| 03:34.13 | TGoC | wich keys malus :) |
| 03:34.20 | maxwell | Those things can be hell to reattach. |
| 03:34.25 | malus | (i'm havikng a temper tantrum right now, so, please, humor me) |
| 03:34.41 | bluefox83 | malus, go stop your bleeding..then come back and fix the puter |
| 03:34.43 | abrotman | !beer malus |
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| 03:34.54 | abrotman | bluefox83: did you read about netowrking yet? |
| 03:34.56 | malus | bleeding stopped a minute ago damnit all. |
| 03:34.59 | TGoC | I wonder what key's he ripped off |
| 03:35.04 | malus | S and L |
| 03:35.11 | TGoC | oh you don't need those malus |
| 03:35.22 | malus | makeshift bandage, it's quite horrible. |
| 03:35.23 | kspath | remove O and you are set |
| 03:35.32 | malus | yeah, hahahahah |
| 03:35.35 | maxwell | If you're REALLY lucky, you'll just rip off the Windows key. |
| 03:35.44 | maxwell | It's not like you're going to use it. |
| 03:35.45 | malus | kspath that works ;) |
| 03:35.55 | maxwell | Malus, superglue works wonders on cuts. |
| 03:36.00 | TGoC | maxwell, if you're REALLY carefull, you might keep the thing alive. |
| 03:36.01 | dvs | maxwell: Windows key on an iBook? |
| 03:36.02 | Guerin | maxwell: i use my windows key all the time |
| 03:36.03 | maxwell | So long as it's not the super-toxic stuff. |
| 03:36.13 | maxwell | I thought he was on a PC. |
| 03:36.18 | malus | really, though, i'm 18 hours into my "New Year's F**kikng resolutikn", quit smoking. soo... |
| 03:36.20 | TGoC | maxwell your obvious a ubuntu user... |
| 03:36.21 | kspath | maxwell: that is why I use Happy Hacker keyboards NO Windblowz keys and no caps lock and control is a big fat key |
| 03:36.22 | malus | a little testy. |
| 03:36.24 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i've read several different howto's about every damn thing under the sun i can think of to talk about networking...sept maybe the router static ip crap..i'm just gunna wait another day or something..not in th emood to network tonight |
| 03:36.31 | TGoC | you're* |
| 03:36.43 | Guerin | malus: anyone who relies on a new year's resolution to break a chemical addiction is a fool |
| 03:36.47 | malus | OK, GDM, you pr*ck, ... let's dance. |
| 03:36.59 | abrotman | TGoC: *you're obviously an ubuntu user* |
| 03:37.00 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:37.05 | malus | Guerin y8eah.i have the patchy |
| 03:37.07 | maxwell | Har de Har Har. |
| 03:37.10 | malus | fuck this typing shit. |
| 03:37.20 | TGoC | abrotman didn't i correct myself ? :p |
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| 03:37.36 | abrotman | TGoC: on one of the four errors :) |
| 03:37.44 | TGoC | heheheh |
| 03:37.46 | hammerabi | new year's should be a time to try NEW chemical addictions |
| 03:37.47 | TGoC | stop monitoring me :P |
| 03:37.51 | hammerabi | broaden your horizons |
| 03:37.52 | malus | OK. line 31. lib/lsb/init-functions. no such fuile or dir. WTF, damnit |
| 03:37.58 | malus | (gdm) |
| 03:38.09 | TGoC | malus, shall i give you some advise? |
| 03:38.16 | TGoC | Never try fixing something when your pissed. |
| 03:38.16 | abrotman | TGoC: i wasn't .. but if you want .. i can start .. |
| 03:38.33 | TGoC | abrotman well if you see an error, pm me. :) |
| 03:38.35 | malus | TGoC you're right on the money. |
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| 03:38.50 | malus | but it's either this, or don't get paid tomorrow. i need to get my hours inl |
| 03:38.53 | malus | FUCJLU@ c |
| 03:38.58 | kspath | unless it is fixing a spammer then pissed is the perfect time to focus on them |
| 03:39.05 | TGoC | malus you should do |
| 03:39.06 | TGoC | is |
| 03:39.19 | abrotman | yeah .. bitchx user .. saw that coming |
| 03:39.21 | TGoC | Like uhm, listen to some jungle music |
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| 03:40.48 | bitflesh | isn't there 2.6 kernel in debian no more? |
| 03:40.54 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:40.56 | TGoC | yes bitflesh |
| 03:40.59 | beardy | There is. |
| 03:41.03 | abrotman | bitflesh: can't you find it ? |
| 03:41.09 | bitflesh | no ;) |
| 03:41.16 | TGoC | There has been one for a year or 3? or something like that |
| 03:41.20 | abrotman | bitflesh: apt-cache search image-2.6 |
| 03:41.25 | bitflesh | E: Package kernel-source-2.6.7 has no installation candidate |
| 03:41.28 | abrotman | bitflesh: apt-cache search image-2.6 |
| 03:41.28 | bitflesh | hmm |
| 03:41.31 | bitflesh | image... |
| 03:41.35 | lordnazgul | bitflesh source is under linuxsource not kernelsource |
| 03:41.39 | bitflesh | fsck... |
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| 03:41.44 | abrotman | lordnazgul: only in etch/sid |
| 03:41.47 | bitflesh | i'm old ;) |
| 03:41.53 | lordnazgul | abrotman oh oops |
| 03:41.56 | abrotman | bitflesh: and if you want source .. apt-cache search source-2.6 |
| 03:41.58 | beardy | bitflesh: And find out the packagename before trying to install it. |
| 03:42.10 | GregorR-L | Debian still uses monolithic Xorg, right? |
| 03:42.25 | abrotman | GregorR-L: jeez .. the modular one has been out like .. a week ? |
| 03:42.36 | GregorR-L | :P |
| 03:42.47 | abrotman | GregorR-L: read gravity's blog |
| 03:42.55 | GregorR-L | abrotman: Yeah, why are the Debian guys so slow, it's been a week! ;) |
| 03:43.18 | abrotman | GregorR-L: check gravity's blog .. i think modular will hit experimental first |
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| 03:43.31 | GregorR-L | abrotman: OK |
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| 03:43.53 | abrotman | GregorR-L: but not there yet |
| 03:43.58 | GregorR-L | Of course |
| 03:44.17 | abrotman | GregorR-L: afaik .. 6.9 is the same as 7.0 .. just monolithic . not modular |
| 03:44.23 | GregorR-L | Yeah, I know. |
| 03:44.26 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:44.30 | GregorR-L | I'm just curious |
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| 03:44.52 | kbrooks | bed |
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| 03:45.14 | tuv | is there a chance that a crashed program leaves leaked memory? |
| 03:45.36 | abrotman | tuv: there's a chance a non-crashed program leaked memory :) |
| 03:45.37 | godmachine81 | I have a problem with my sound settings in Gnome using debian sarge, and the alsa mixer, but the multimedia system selected is OSS and I don't have ESD or ALSA as other options or artsd either.. everytime i reboot my machine i have to readjust my sound settings and enable the 4.1 surround sound option, my audio card is SB LIVE... can anyone help me so that my system will save the sound settings I use?? |
| 03:46.05 | tuv | abrotman: i meant leaded memory because of the crash |
| 03:46.09 | tuv | leaked |
| 03:46.27 | tuv | someone should investigate leaded memory ;) |
| 03:46.30 | abrotman | godmachine81: ask #alsa .. there should be a way to save those settings |
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| 03:46.50 | godmachine81 | ok thanks |
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| 03:47.27 | tuv | godmachine81: to have alsa as a multimedia system option install gstreamer-alsa |
| 03:47.46 | tuv | godmachine81: to save mixer levels install alsa-utils |
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| 03:48.51 | lordnazgul | does anyone know how to configure the new aptitude in etch so that the search box doesnt cover the results as you type? |
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| 03:50.01 | godmachine81 | i have the gnome alsa mixer gui, and it does adjust my sound levels, but my Multimedia system selected is OSS, is that normal? |
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| 03:50.31 | liable | godmachine81: what kernel? |
| 03:50.36 | tuv | godmachine81: the alsa mixer and the oss mixer are linked |
| 03:50.58 | godmachine81 | $ uname -r |
| 03:50.58 | godmachine81 | 2.6.14-2-686 |
| 03:51.09 | beardy | lordnazgul: Is it possible to do that in that version, or has it always been? |
| 03:51.17 | liable | godmachine81: you have alsa-base installed and have run alsaconf? |
| 03:51.36 | Gnea | oh wow, dist-upgrade in sid is *removing* base-config |
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| 03:51.52 | lordnazgul | beardy i dunno. i just upgraded it and saw that. it was annoying so i downgraded again |
| 03:51.53 | liable | godmachine81: err, you have a 2.6.14 kernel in sarge? |
| 03:51.53 | tuv | godmachine81: install gstreamer0.8-alsa to have alsa as an option for multmedia systems |
| 03:52.03 | dondelelcaro | lordnazgul: changing the layout is the way you would do it, I've never personally bothered though. |
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| 03:52.37 | godmachine81 | liable: i installed the new kernel |
| 03:52.58 | beardy | lordnazgul: hmm, well, AFAIK it always puts that box in the middle of the screen, at least for me, I've never been that bothered by it, so I haven't tried to change it though. |
| 03:53.00 | lordnazgul | dondelelcaro i figured as much. i think that may be too much of a pain for me to bother. old aptitude works fine |
| 03:53.30 | dondelelcaro | lordnazgul: it's not really a big deal though; you just press return to have that dialog go away. |
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| 03:53.58 | lordnazgul | beardy yeah it does, unfortunately when i was searching the one that closest matched my search was popping in at the bottom of the package list window. right under the search box |
| 03:54.12 | dondelelcaro | lordnazgul: so press return to close the search box... |
| 03:54.16 | beardy | lordnazgul: Just hit Enter, like dondelelcaro said. |
| 03:54.24 | lordnazgul | dondelelcaro, yeah i know but then i cant watch it narrow down the search as i type. whine whine whine |
| 03:54.26 | dondelelcaro | lordnazgul: and use 'n' to go to the next item if it wasn't the right one. |
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| 03:54.38 | dondelelcaro | lordnazgul: then get a bigger terminal or change the split point... |
| 03:54.54 | lordnazgul | its no big deal i was just wondering if anyone dealt with the same issue |
| 03:55.10 | dondelelcaro | like setting Aptitude::Theme Vertical-Split; or some such |
| 03:55.36 | beardy | oh, heh, I've always used '\' instead of 'n' |
| 03:55.56 | lordnazgul | beardy: in the new version \ is search backward and n is next |
| 03:56.08 | beardy | lordnazgul: Ok |
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| 03:57.42 | Jeeves_moss | all: any one here had any luck install Debian on a Compaq Smart Array PCI? I get a kernel panic when I try. |
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| 03:58.48 | ohad | i am trying to use the rescue26 option since after running fsck i'm getting an 'error 2' on boot when trying to run grub. i've tried to mount my hd but couldn't find it. how do i mount my hd? the rescue options did not work but i can get to the shell. are there any param that i need to run with boot: rescue26 ? |
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| 03:59.46 | liable | ohad: its an ide drive? |
| 04:00.25 | alvanson | I hate to ask a Windows question here, but perhaps some of you have come across this before: I'm dual booting debian/windows and I have a shared partition between them. I want to be able to hibernate one OS and use the other, but this requires getting Windows to "unmount" the shared partition, else data is lost. Any ideas how to get Windows to do this, or what it's even called? |
| 04:00.28 | FliesLikeABrick | where do programs like gaim and evolution mail execute firefox from? |
| 04:00.47 | ohad | liable: yes. it think it showed up as hdc |
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| 04:00.59 | alvanson | (I can get Linux to do this, it's quite easy... just add files to /etc/acpi) |
| 04:01.08 | ohad | liable: i tried to do /dev/ide/... but couldn't find anything |
| 04:01.25 | beardy | ohad: Read the help, hit F1 - F?, root=/dev/hda1 (replace hda1 with your root fs of course) I don't remember exactly though, should be in the help texts though |
| 04:01.35 | ohad | liable: only the cd. i tried to look for scsi too |
| 04:01.38 | liable | ohad: try /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part(whatver partition) |
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| 04:01.54 | lordnazgul | beardy if he is using grub wouldnt he want hd0.0 rather than hda1 |
| 04:02.12 | ohad | liable: i only have 'cd' where you have part |
| 04:02.17 | lordnazgul | beardy as in hd0,0/dev/hda1 |
| 04:02.23 | beardy | lordnazgul: Not if he's booting from an installcd. |
| 04:02.30 | lordnazgul | gotcha |
| 04:02.47 | lordnazgul | beardy wasnt aware that it made the conversion for you |
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| 04:02.58 | liable | ohad: try target0 |
| 04:03.05 | liable | err bus0 |
| 04:03.35 | ohad | liable: ? instead of ? /part? |
| 04:03.44 | liable | bus1 |
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| 04:04.12 | Jeeves_moss | ALL: any one in here have experiance with a Compaq Proliant server? |
| 04:04.22 | dondelelcaro | Jeeves_moss: just ask your question. |
| 04:04.23 | beardy | lordnazgul: I'm not actually sure what he's booting with.. But with the information given that's what I assumed. |
| 04:04.28 | ohad | liable: is there a param that i can run on boot:? |
| 04:04.55 | liable | ohad: see what beardy said. |
| 04:04.56 | lordnazgul | beardy ok. something new ;) |
| 04:04.56 | xsdg | FliesLikeABrick: I'm not positive, but maybe /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser ? |
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| 04:05.07 | dondelelcaro | tictac: depends on what the machine was doing. |
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| 04:05.20 | ohad | liable: ok |
| 04:05.21 | tictac | encoding movies |
| 04:05.23 | ohad | thanks |
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| 04:05.41 | dondelelcaro | tictac: it'll boot slower, but unless the movies are on a usb drive, it shouldn't matter. |
| 04:06.03 | tictac | everything would be on usb. |
| 04:06.29 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: check gnome's "Default Application" thingie |
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| 04:06.38 | dondelelcaro | tictac: then you'll probably be slower if the usb is the limiter; that depends on how fast your machine encodes movies. |
| 04:07.08 | tictac | i thought about a network drive, but came to the conclusion that a 100mb network wouldnt be fast enough |
| 04:07.09 | beardy | !gnomebrowser |
| 04:07.09 | dpkg | To change the default web browser in gnome (and other default applications) run gnome-default-applications-properties in an xterm. Also ask me about "x-www-browser" and "www-browser" |
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| 04:08.21 | tictac | eh. its a decent machine. p4 2.8ghz w/ 2gb ram. |
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| 04:11.15 | bleaked | tictac. just decent? i'm rocking a pIII 733 here. |
| 04:11.16 | Jeeves_moss | ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!: does any one have ANY experience with Proliant servers? I NEED to get this stupid thing running tonight. |
| 04:11.26 | blondie | !anyone |
| 04:11.27 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:11.32 | dondelelcaro | Jeeves_moss: lose the caps and just ask your actual question, please. |
| 04:11.42 | ke6isf | Jeeves_moss: ...and the bangs. |
| 04:11.47 | blondie | Jeeves_moss: and no yelling or DEMANDING |
| 04:12.07 | tictac | bleaked: for encoding dvds/ |
| 04:12.11 | Jeeves_moss | blondie: sorry, I've asked a few times so far and no one has responded. |
| 04:12.28 | kspath | !someone |
| 04:12.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 04:12.32 | blondie | read what dpkg said. |
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| 04:12.35 | dondelelcaro | Jeeves_moss: the last time you asked, I asked you to ask the actual question... |
| 04:12.40 | ke6isf | Jeeves_moss: The only experience I have ona Proliant is that a Sarge floppy would not boot on it. |
| 04:13.00 | Guerin | ke6isf: that's because dell machines are SHIT |
| 04:13.05 | ke6isf | Jeeves_moss: That said, what seems to be the problem? |
| 04:13.14 | ke6isf | Guerin: Proliant isn't Dell, it's Compaq/HP. |
| 04:13.25 | ke6isf | Guerin: ...unless Dell bought the name.... |
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| 04:13.29 | tictac | lmao. |
| 04:13.36 | Guerin | ke6isf: bah |
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| 04:13.42 | Jeeves_moss | ke6isf: hummm, well, Ubuntu gets through the install and sees the RAID controler, but when you reboot, it crashes to a busybox shell. The live CD sees the actual drive and can interface with it, but the Debian installs just cause a kernel panic. |
| 04:13.49 | ke6isf | Jeeves_moss: Ask in #ubuntu, please. |
| 04:13.54 | Guerin | ke6isf: that doesn't mean dell aren't shit |
| 04:14.01 | abrotman | but they are :) |
| 04:14.03 | liable | hah |
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| 04:14.05 | WiFiTux | I'm trying to configure a patched bioapi pam and I get an error on ./configure. configure: error: cannot find required header: security/_pam_macros.h |
| 04:14.06 | tictac | Jeeves_moss: so use a knoppix cd and debootstrat. |
| 04:14.09 | ke6isf | Guerin: Indeed. But then, I woudln't buy them just because of the Indian call centers. |
| 04:14.21 | tictac | debootstrap too. |
| 04:14.35 | ke6isf | Jeeves_moss: Wait, never mind, just saw Ubuntu and reacted. |
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| 04:14.42 | dondelelcaro | you'll be hard pressed to find a hardware vendor who hasn't outsourced at least first line support |
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| 04:14.59 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I know. It kinda sucks. |
| 04:15.11 | abrotman | i think ibm's first line for servers is still in atlanta |
| 04:15.20 | tictac | last time i called dell, i got american staff. |
| 04:15.25 | dondelelcaro | not like it makes much difference; first line support is always crap, no matter where it's located. |
| 04:15.31 | en1gma | i just did a fresh install of debian and it went smooth except it boots me to an X login screen when i want to boot to bash |
| 04:15.32 | Jeeves_moss | ke6isf: NP. I've tried a lot of flavours on this box. NONE like the card. I'd rather stick to Debian/Ubuntu, I know it, and I don't feel like learning something new |
| 04:15.33 | tictac | which was, about 3 days ago. |
| 04:15.35 | abrotman | or maybe i just have that number written down .. and that's what i use insted of the regular support number :) |
| 04:15.40 | blondie | dondelelcaro: not always. |
| 04:15.41 | en1gma | how do i fix it |
| 04:15.54 | abrotman | !tell en1gma about nodm |
| 04:15.57 | blondie | just usually |
| 04:16.00 | tictac | dell informed be that they couldnt replace my defunct combo drive due to the fact they couldnt run diagnostics on it because i ran linux. |
| 04:16.02 | dondelelcaro | blondie: unless first line support happens to be the final line, it is. |
| 04:16.04 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Then again, I've been spoiled by Speakeasy, whose first line is actually pretty intelligent. |
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| 04:16.58 | tictac | the failed diagnostics test (in the bios/firmware?) wasnt enough for them. |
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| 04:17.09 | kspath | I had speakeasy they are a bit expensive but tech support is mostly great |
| 04:17.22 | en1gma | i cant just chae a runlevel? |
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| 04:17.26 | Jeeves_moss | all: so other than Kopnix (I don't want to learn something new (too much gets me confused), any other sudgestions)? |
| 04:17.30 | TGoC | Guys i'm out again |
| 04:17.30 | en1gma | change* |
| 04:17.44 | troxy | what's gonna happen when they run out of toy story characters? |
| 04:17.49 | TGoC | see you all tomorrow (or atleast 90% of it) |
| 04:17.49 | liable | en1gma: /msg dpkg runlevels |
| 04:17.50 | ke6isf | kspath: I've had these guys for nearly six years, and they've bent over backwards to help me if I've ever needed it. I'll pay out the nose for that kind of service. |
| 04:18.23 | beardy | en1gma: You'll make it easier for yourself if you don't care about runlevels, more than to reboot and halt, or single, if you ever have to. |
| 04:18.37 | ke6isf | Jeeves_moss: What version of Debian crapped out on the server box? |
| 04:18.54 | godmachine81 | ok i guess i might have fixed my alsa stuff, but now how do i get the volume control to work right, when i mute the master volume it still plays sound just not as loud, if i disable the surround sound sigmatel, it will mute properly, but i dont have surround of course.. anyone know a fix to this? |
| 04:18.58 | liable | Jeeves_moss: and did you try both kernels? |
| 04:18.59 | bleaked | troxy. obviously pixar will have to make another movie :D |
| 04:19.01 | tictac | troxy: they will start using the names of FSF lawyers |
| 04:19.40 | liable | godmachine81: have you checked the docs at alsa.org for you're card? |
| 04:19.54 | bleaked | troxy. it would be great if you would submit it as a bug |
| 04:19.57 | kspath | iisemulator (0.95-2) Emulation for the IIS web server Is this used as a honeypot to see all the attempts to own/attack it? |
| 04:20.02 | roby | OK, I think it's the new kernel version that prevents me from playing sounds, seems like alsa is enabled in 2.6.12 kernel and oss was used before that |
| 04:20.05 | troxy | good answers ;) |
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| 04:20.35 | orchid | does security.debian.org's ip ever change? I would like to add it to the firewall but not sure if I need to use a subnet mask |
| 04:20.58 | roby | My xmms is playing music under alsa driver output, but i don't hear anything from my speakers, what settings should i play around with? |
| 04:21.21 | ke6isf | orchid: It shouldn't, but keep an eye on news to see if another one gets added. There are more than one. |
| 04:21.26 | beardy | roby: Check the volume and that it's not muted. |
| 04:21.35 | beardy | !mixer |
| 04:21.35 | dpkg | mixer is probably aumix or some sort of GUI thing |
| 04:21.36 | tictac | orchid: did you try using nslookup to see the addresses of the hostname? |
| 04:21.42 | beardy | helpful.. |
| 04:21.43 | orchid | ke6isf: ok |
| 04:21.49 | en1gma | is there a midnight commander for shell or similar |
| 04:21.56 | ke6isf | !mc |
| 04:21.56 | dpkg | well, mc is Midnight Commander, a file browser for GNU. Monaco |
| 04:22.10 | orchid | tictac: I know the ip already |
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| 04:22.32 | tictac | orchid: there are ways to find multiple addresses for a single hostname. |
| 04:22.36 | ke6isf | en1gma: mc is a shell utility. THat's what it is. Been 'round for years. |
| 04:22.41 | roby | beardy: aumixer will not work: aumix: error opening mixer, oss is no longer working at all, but alsa appears to be working... i installed a new testing release of debian |
| 04:22.43 | tictac | i.e. nslookup. |
| 04:22.43 | en1gma | i tried 'mc' and it dont work |
| 04:22.49 | ke6isf | !installit |
| 04:22.50 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 04:23.05 | liable | roby: what about alsamixer? |
| 04:23.11 | beardy | roby: I know, that's why I muttered about it.. Use alsamixer. |
| 04:23.26 | en1gma | i prob installed 5gigs and its not included? |
| 04:23.26 | tictac | orchid: im finding at least 3. |
| 04:23.28 | Guerin | mc is also Stop! Hammertime! |
| 04:23.29 | orchid | tictac: I see yes, nslookup shows 3 |
| 04:23.32 | Guerin | !mc is also Stop! Hammertime! |
| 04:23.32 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 04:23.37 | roby | liable: beardy alsamixer runs fine, but i got all the volumes that i can adjust to max, no sound |
| 04:23.58 | Guerin | en1gma: if you didn't install it, it's not installed. |
| 04:23.58 | tictac | orchid: so add those, you should be good. query it up every 6 months or so just to be sure nothing changed. |
| 04:24.20 | en1gma | i checked "desktop system" |
| 04:24.31 | ke6isf | en1gma: That doesn't mean mc will install. |
| 04:24.43 | Guerin | en1gma: just install the fucking thing and stop whining like a kid who dropped his ice cream |
| 04:24.43 | en1gma | guess not |
| 04:24.47 | Guerin | christ |
| 04:24.53 | orchid | tictac: yeah, thanks |
| 04:24.55 | ke6isf | !beer Guerin |
| 04:25.04 | tictac | orchid: sure thing. :) |
| 04:25.17 | Guerin | ke6isf: hrm ... still a bit close to NYE for beer ... well ... ah, what the hell. |
| 04:25.18 | GregorR-L | >_> |
| 04:25.24 | en1gma | just learned debian wants you at a desktop not in a shell |
| 04:25.29 | ke6isf | Guerin: You sound like you need one. =^^= |
| 04:25.46 | Guerin | en1gma: if you install the 'desktop' package, that's a fairly sensible presumption, don't you think? |
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| 04:26.00 | ke6isf | en1gma: It's not that Debian wants you at a desktop, it's that mc is not included in the 'desktop' install option. |
| 04:26.13 | beardy | en1gma: Debian doesn't really want you at any particular place, you choose where you want to be. |
| 04:26.30 | Guerin | en1gma: there's no 'shell wizard' package, because shell wizards don't NEED packages. |
| 04:26.31 | beardy | en1gma: Just install what you want. |
| 04:26.36 | ke6isf | en1gma: Presumably, many people aren't going to necessarily use, say, mc - favoring instead, say, Nautilus. |
| 04:26.50 | liable | thats really quite a wierd comment in itself i think.. |
| 04:26.54 | beardy | Or wtf needs a "filemanager". |
| 04:27.02 | GregorR-L | <_< |
| 04:27.14 | GregorR-L | This conversation has gone insane :P |
| 04:27.16 | beardy | But of someone does and wants, they install it and is happy. |
| 04:27.24 | en1gma | desktop, well im new at "debian" and cant seem to locate mc and even if i did i wouldnt know how to install it |
| 04:27.34 | ke6isf | en1gma: On the other hand, for most people, good ol' bash or the other shells work just fine, and installing mc is superfluous at best. |
| 04:27.37 | en1gma | desktop should have mc |
| 04:27.52 | en1gma | imho |
| 04:27.56 | GregorR-L | desktop should not be more bloated than most users want. Therefore, it should not have mc. |
| 04:27.57 | beardy | en1gma: "Desktop"? You mean a tilted box? |
| 04:28.06 | en1gma | lol |
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| 04:28.10 | bsims | Is there a way to get dvdrip to read the vobs that are mounted in a loopback? |
| 04:28.14 | beardy | en1gma: Install what you want, we have said repeatedly,just do it. |
| 04:28.41 | ke6isf | en1gma: You've been on this channel for slightly less time than I have, and you don't know how to apt-get?! |
| 04:28.45 | en1gma | /me trying to locate mc on a 4.4gig dvd with no mc to use |
| 04:28.47 | en1gma | how fun |
| 04:28.59 | beardy | en1gma: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 04:29.02 | en1gma | im new to debian |
| 04:29.04 | beardy | en1gma: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:29.11 | beardy | en1gma: apt-cache search mc |
| 04:29.13 | ke6isf | en1gma: So am I, but apt-get is an easy utility. |
| 04:29.23 | beardy | en1gma: Use apt-get or aptitude to install packages. |
| 04:29.30 | Guerin | en1gma: file a wishlist bug against the metapackage or tasksel and watch it be closed with WONTFIX |
| 04:29.37 | ke6isf | en1gma: 'apt-get install mc'. Easy peasy. |
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| 04:30.00 | en1gma | im on a pda |
| 04:30.14 | ke6isf | en1gma: ...you're IRCing from a pda?! |
| 04:30.15 | en1gma | no network yet |
| 04:30.19 | en1gma | yes |
| 04:30.23 | Guerin | en1gma: i don't care what you do in public |
| 04:30.28 | ke6isf | ...holy God. |
| 04:30.29 | en1gma | its a biatch |
| 04:30.30 | blondie | you installed debian on a PDA? |
| 04:30.35 | en1gma | noooo |
| 04:30.36 | GregorR-L | en1gma: HIGH FIVE! 8-D |
| 04:30.39 | en1gma | lol |
| 04:30.40 | Guerin | en1gma: if it's a bbiatch, why are you pda'ing with it |
| 04:30.43 | GregorR-L | en1gma: Familiar? |
| 04:31.23 | ke6isf | en1gma: What's the holdup with your network connection? Alternative, perhaps using the pda as your network device? |
| 04:31.26 | en1gma | cause its the only way right now |
| 04:31.48 | beardy | What's network have to with installing mc from a dvd? |
| 04:31.57 | ke6isf | beardy: He can't find it, apparently. |
| 04:32.04 | en1gma | pda wont work as my modem till i go higher then 2.6.12 |
| 04:32.16 | beardy | Well, we told him how above.. |
| 04:32.25 | ke6isf | beardy: Well, what do we know? |
| 04:32.40 | en1gma | imthink i found mc |
| 04:32.56 | en1gma | ./pool/main/m/mc ? |
| 04:32.58 | beardy | How to install a package I think I claim to know at least.. |
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| 04:33.03 | beardy | +can |
| 04:33.20 | liable | en1gma: ffs, apt-get install mc |
| 04:33.22 | beardy | en1gma: Just install it. |
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| 04:33.40 | beardy | en1gma: Read what people tell you, at least the fifth time. |
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| 04:34.27 | g3brown_ | I'm trying to connect an APC to a serial port on Sarge. How can I tell what serial port Debian sees, as in COM1 COM2? |
| 04:35.01 | beardy | g3brown_: COM1 = /dev/ttyS0, COM2 = /dev/ttyS1, and so on. |
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| 04:35.23 | en1gma | installed |
| 04:35.43 | ke6isf | g3brown: It would probably help to know which serial port is which. You can usually make that determination in BIOS if you have to, or some cases will also have a number. |
| 04:36.07 | RobHu | How do I downgrade from etch to sarge? I've changed the etch entry to sarge in /etc/apt/sources.list then done apt-get update apt-get upgrade / apt-get dist-upgrade but it didn't want to do anything, nor did apt-get -t sarge upgrade :/ |
| 04:36.10 | g3brown | ke6isf: I'm about 99% sure it is COM1 |
| 04:36.18 | en1gma | omg no mouse! |
| 04:36.20 | beardy | RobHu: You don't. |
| 04:36.33 | RobHu | beardy: Is it not possible? |
| 04:36.46 | beardy | RobHu: Not easily. |
| 04:36.50 | RobHu | bugger |
| 04:37.08 | liable | !downgrade |
| 04:37.09 | dpkg | downgrade is, like, not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 04:37.26 | cakoose | I have a Radeon 9600, just installed xserver-xorg and selected the 'ati' driver, but when I run 'glxinfo', I get "direct rendering: No" and on stderr I get "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"." (I didn't have OpenGL working when I had xserver-xfree86 either.) |
| 04:37.31 | g3brown | beardy: what is /dev/tty ? |
| 04:37.35 | RobHu | liable: thx |
| 04:37.39 | beardy | !tty |
| 04:37.40 | dpkg | from memory, tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
| 04:37.41 | liable | np |
| 04:38.05 | ke6isf | g3brown: First, get out of the habit of remembering COMn. This is Linux - they're all /dev/ttySn. |
| 04:38.12 | beardy | g3brown: /dev/ttyS0 is the first serialport on your machine. |
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| 04:38.33 | valdyn | cakoose: X -version |
| 04:38.42 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.50 | melao- | what package is update-rc.d in? |
| 04:39.00 | ke6isf | !tell melao- -about search |
| 04:39.12 | cakoose | valdyn: Debian 6.8.2.dfsg.1-11 20051129054125 |
| 04:39.37 | valdyn | cakoose: hardware accelerated X for your card is not supported by this driver |
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| 04:39.57 | kspath | S for Serial as in what was before ethernet and TCP/IP for us |
| 04:39.58 | valdyn | cakoose: err, i meant : hardware accelerated gl/glx isnt supported by this driver |
| 04:40.04 | cakoose | valdyn: I need the fglrx one? |
| 04:40.04 | en1gma | i |
| 04:40.28 | RobHu | liable: The link you sent me http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html refers to apt conf files that don't seem to exist... |
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| 04:40.43 | en1gma | i just copied a dir (kernel-2.6.14.5) to /usr/src |
| 04:40.44 | liable | RobHu: make them if they dont exist |
| 04:40.52 | en1gma | now what |
| 04:40.54 | solemnwarning | "/sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: no such file |
| 04:40.54 | solemnwarning | kernel panic: attempted to kill init! |
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| 04:41.04 | beardy | en1gma: now what what? |
| 04:41.05 | solemnwarning | i get that error whenever i try booting kernel 2.6 |
| 04:41.11 | blondie | that's a very solumn warning |
| 04:41.11 | solemnwarning | 2.4 boots ok |
| 04:41.16 | blondie | *solemn |
| 04:41.19 | blondie | o.O |
| 04:41.19 | solemnwarning | how should i fix that error? |
| 04:41.20 | valdyn | cakoose: or wait till Xorg 6.9 is in testing, i think |
| 04:41.24 | en1gma | make && make modules && make install |
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| 04:41.32 | blondie | I got that message when I moved debian from one machine to another |
| 04:41.36 | solemnwarning | debian stable, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 04:41.36 | beardy | !wayc en1gma |
| 04:41.37 | dpkg | en1gma: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 04:41.54 | en1gma | no network |
| 04:41.57 | solemnwarning | anyone? |
| 04:42.24 | beardy | solemnwarning: /msg dpkg enter |
| 04:42.25 | RobHu | liable: That doesnt seem to have done anything... are you sure apt/preferences and apt/apt.conf are still used? |
| 04:42.26 | ke6isf | solemnwarning: Have you tried 'apt-get --reinstall' on the kernel package? |
| 04:42.30 | en1gma | after i compile i will have network |
| 04:42.31 | solemnwarning | yes |
| 04:42.43 | solemnwarning | it happens on all kernel-image-2.6 packages |
| 04:42.54 | liable | RobHu: check, make sure you didnt make a typo |
| 04:43.01 | ke6isf | solemnwarning: That's weird. What kind of hardware are you running? |
| 04:43.23 | solemnwarning | some dell laptop |
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| 04:43.40 | RobHu | liable: I deleted the preferences file and copy / pasted it again yet it did the same thing |
| 04:43.47 | cakoose | valdyn: Well, I tried getting the fglrx kernel module to compile, but it won't compile cleanly with my custom 2.6.7 kernel. It compiles with my custom 2.6.14.5 kernel, but that kernel says that it can't read the root parition and panics at boot. |
| 04:43.47 | innodonni | solemnwarning: I've had that error before. I thought it was some initrd misconfiguration or something |
| 04:43.54 | solemnwarning | :\ |
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| 04:44.00 | ke6isf | solemnwarning: Also, that attempt to kill init is invariably the result of something else going drastically wrong. So that said, what went wrong? What are the other errors in the boot messages taht come up? |
| 04:44.00 | solemnwarning | any idea howto fix? |
| 04:44.05 | en1gma | omfg let me guess no bevelope packages install with "desktop system" |
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| 04:44.09 | en1gma | fawk |
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| 04:44.10 | solemnwarning | dunno |
| 04:44.15 | blondie | beve.l; |
| 04:44.17 | blondie | gr |
| 04:44.18 | solemnwarning | im setting this up through someone on irc |
| 04:44.19 | ke6isf | !b-e |
| 04:44.19 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 04:44.24 | blondie | bevelope packages? |
| 04:44.33 | cakoose | valdyn: Do you know what the panic could be caused by? The message is "VFS: Cannot open root device "hde6" or unknown-block(0,0)" |
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| 04:44.42 | ke6isf | blondie: It's my aunt Beverly as a furry. =^_^= |
| 04:44.52 | blondie | lol |
| 04:44.56 | en1gma | finding buil essentials |
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| 04:45.10 | innodonni | cakoose: you have the correct hard-drive drivers built in? |
| 04:45.14 | cakoose | valdyn: I checked to make sure the ext3 and SATA chipset drivers were compiled into the kernel and not as modules. |
| 04:45.19 | blitzkrieg3 | does anyone know if there is an option somewhere where you can make sure that all horizontal scroll bars will scroll with the mousewheel when the cursor is over them? |
| 04:45.27 | RobHu | are you guys sure this works with the current version of apt? http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 04:45.36 | vb_coder | i have trouble after installing debian. my resolution is very low and picture is poor. is there a way to fix that? |
| 04:45.43 | ke6isf | !drxx vb_coder |
| 04:45.44 | dpkg | vb_coder: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:45.49 | doleyb | blitzkrieg3: there is no common option for that, all gui kits do it differently (qt, gtk, motif, moz) |
| 04:45.54 | cakoose | innodonni: I think so. I get the message "hde: HDS722516VLSA80, ATA DISK drive" |
| 04:46.02 | blitzkrieg3 | doleyb: do you know the one for gtk? |
| 04:46.07 | valdyn | cakoose: sata devices are sdxN in 2.6 kernels |
| 04:46.24 | blitzkrieg3 | doleyb: I've looked online but I can't seem to find it |
| 04:46.36 | cakoose | valdyn: I used the deprecated SATA support so that I wouldn't have to change any settings. |
| 04:46.52 | innodonni | valdyn: I get hde or something in mepis livecd :s |
| 04:46.53 | cakoose | valdyn: I didn't use the SATA support that was listed under the SCSI section. |
| 04:46.58 | doleyb | blitzkrieg3: no, but I can tell you that my gtk apps do it like that, without any setting changes |
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| 04:47.23 | innodonni | cakoose: you need that. |
| 04:47.26 | cakoose | valdyn: BTW, things work fine with the 2.6.7 drivers. |
| 04:47.38 | cakoose | valdyn: err... the 2.6.7 *kernel* |
| 04:47.56 | blitzkrieg3 | doleyb: thanks |
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| 04:49.06 | cakoose | innodonni, valdyn: Maybe the kernel doesn't understand the partition format? I tried selecting "Advanced partition selection -> PC BIOS (MSDOS parition tables) support" but that didn't help either. |
| 04:50.31 | vb_coder | ke6isf: if i need to to reconfigure my x server, how come it wasn't configured properly the first time? |
| 04:50.55 | vb_coder | ke6isf: i tried reinstalling debian to configure it again |
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| 04:51.23 | haitam | hii all |
| 04:51.47 | ahattar | hi all |
| 04:51.53 | doleyb | vb_coder: rot, if you reinstall debian to reconfig a package, you shouldn't use debian |
| 04:52.30 | ahattar | how to configure my box (debian 3.1) to get an IP from my dhcp? |
| 04:52.47 | blondie | it's that way by default |
| 04:53.36 | innodonni | cakoose: maybe it's using the deprecated ide sata system thing (BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA) instead of the new one (SCSI_SATA). |
| 04:53.40 | doleyb | ahttar: in /etc/network/interfaces, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 04:54.14 | ahattar | i manually configure an ip during install no I need it to getip from DHCPO |
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| 04:54.21 | cakoose | innodonni: I was using the deprecated one intentionally because I wanted things to work exactly as they did with the 2.6.7 kernel. |
| 04:54.22 | g3brown | apt-get remove <packagename> removes package. What removes the package and every like settings files and such? |
| 04:54.40 | doleyb | g3brown: apt-get remove --purge |
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| 04:54.58 | blondie | ahattar: man interfaces will tell you |
| 04:55.05 | cakoose | innodonni: Actually, I tried the SCSI_SATA option but couldn't figure out what the root device name was. I tried 'sda6' and 'sde6' but neither of those worked. |
| 04:55.12 | ahattar | thnx blondie |
| 04:56.01 | ootput | hey guys. is there a way to look at the logfiles for the messages (hotplug etc,) at startup? |
| 04:56.16 | ootput | which logfile(s) would this be in? |
| 04:57.13 | RobHu | dmesg /var/log/messages ? |
| 04:57.22 | doleyb | ootput: or /var/log/syslog , one of those |
| 04:57.36 | ootput | i can't find entries in either, RobHu :( |
| 04:57.39 | ootput | doleyb: i'll give it a shot |
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| 04:57.54 | RobHu | if you know what you're looking for grep the directory for it |
| 04:58.24 | innodonni | cakoose: well I only have one sata disk, and it shows as sda |
| 04:58.34 | orchid | ootput: dmesg | grep hotplug should show something too |
| 04:58.37 | doleyb | ootput: also consider something like /etc/udev/udev.conf : udev_log |
| 04:58.44 | ootput | doleyb: ah! |
| 04:59.35 | cakoose | innodonni: With the 2.4.7 kernel, I get two messages. 1 = "hde: HDS722516VLSA80, ATA DISK drive", 2 = "hde: 321672960 sectors (164696 MB) w/7938KiB Cache, CHS=20023/255/63". |
| 04:59.40 | ootput | i'm trying to sanitize the bootup mess that appears. After going with a custom kernel (without initrd,) a lot of the messages appear to indicate that the modules are already loaded and/or are build into the kernel |
| 04:59.51 | cakoose | innodonni: With the 2.6.14.5 kernel I only get the first one. |
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| 05:00.29 | ootput | and a lot of other messages that hint at unneccessary device searches |
| 05:00.39 | cakoose | innodonni: Does the first one mean that the driver is working or just that the kernel identified the device? |
| 05:01.41 | ootput | doleyb: would you happen to know if using udev instead of hotplug would make the neccessary adjustments to the bootup scripts? |
| 05:02.03 | doleyb | ootput: i don't know. but why do you care abotu "sanitize" startup msgs? |
| 05:02.04 | ootput | doleyb: as both seem to be conflicting |
| 05:02.19 | vb_coder | is dpkg a bot or person? |
| 05:02.40 | doleyb | vb_coder: a bot and a bin |
| 05:02.53 | ootput | doleyb: because of the sheer volume of messages I'm unable to pinpoint any errors (if any,) |
| 05:02.53 | vb_coder | i have trouble after installing debian. my resolution is very low and picture is poor. is there a way to fix that? |
| 05:03.05 | lakcaj | !dpkg what are you |
| 05:03.06 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 05:03.23 | ootput | doleyb: i just want to rid my system of scripts that add diddley to it's functionality :D |
| 05:03.24 | vb_coder | <blootbod> |
| 05:03.32 | RobHu | vb_coder: I believe someone gave you an answer the first time you said that! You need to change your X config. Repeating your question really doesn't help. |
| 05:03.33 | g3brown | I install <apt-get install apcd> Not what I wanted, so I apt-get remove apcd. Got error, then I try apt-get remove --purge apcd and I still get an errors. |
| 05:04.13 | lakcaj | g3brown: you are being too descriptive. Try telling us less about the error message. |
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| 05:04.34 | g3brown | Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 05:05.41 | hammerabi | that's not the error |
| 05:05.43 | hammerabi | scroll up |
| 05:06.10 | vb_coder | robhu: okay, i hope it works because once i get back to my house i wont have internet anymore and i didnt understand why x would configure itself wrong the first time but work the second time i try |
| 05:06.28 | g3brown | hammerabi: how bout: error processing apcd (--remove): |
| 05:06.28 | g3brown | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.43 | tepperly | I have recently installed Debian on a new motherboard. I am using the precompiled 2.6.14-2-k7 Debian kernel. The GNOME sound volume control says "No volume control elements and/or devices found." kmix works, and xmms works with the OSS driver. Is there a way to get the ALSA driver instead of the OSS driver? |
| 05:07.02 | hammerabi | g3brown: higher |
| 05:07.17 | doleyb | !tell tepperly about alsa |
| 05:07.23 | g3brown | hammerabi: where can I paste the whole thing? |
| 05:07.30 | doleyb | !paste |
| 05:07.30 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 05:07.44 | lakcaj | 'night everyone |
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| 05:08.48 | innodonni | "(05:19:10) lakcaj: 'night everyone" hehe |
| 05:08.57 | man_in_shack | hi there |
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| 05:09.01 | g3brown | hammerabi: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1434 |
| 05:09.09 | zayuk | Anyone has install 'Bootsplash for Linux' for Debian Sarge? |
| 05:09.27 | sfullenwider | are there any packages for using perl with wikipedia? |
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| 05:09.29 | man_in_shack | i just upgraded xdm from xfree86's to xorg 6.9's with sid |
| 05:09.33 | innodonni | zayuk: yes, problem? |
| 05:09.39 | RobHu | vb_coder: You should check you're using the right driver for your card and that the x conf is correct. I would have thought it can only be one of these two things. I wouldn't try to fix it without being on the net though |
| 05:09.41 | man_in_shack | now xdm isn't running an xsession |
| 05:09.44 | ootput | would I need to run vgscan -a y on each successive reboot? |
| 05:09.53 | ootput | or is there an init script that handles this? |
| 05:09.54 | man_in_shack | as in running the x-session-manager or anything like that |
| 05:10.03 | man_in_shack | anyone know why this might be? |
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| 05:10.13 | sfullenwider | n/m synaptic decided to load. |
| 05:10.15 | zayuk | innodonni: no problem becos haven't installed yet. can it work for kernel 2.6.8? |
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| 05:10.37 | Nemoder | anyone running Rox desktop? |
| 05:10.51 | liable | man_in_shack: had the same problem, try gdm untill its fixed |
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| 05:11.47 | sanxiyn | Nemoder: I once did. Why? |
| 05:11.56 | Nemoder | trying to figure out how to install it |
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| 05:12.17 | sanxiyn | Nemoder: There used to be some set of unofficial packages, but it's now part of main. |
| 05:12.18 | Nemoder | they use something called zero install which seems to want to install zero |
| 05:12.33 | Nemoder | rox-filer is in main but i couldn't find the desktop |
| 05:12.36 | sanxiyn | Nemoder: Zero Install is a separate issue... |
| 05:12.49 | sanxiyn | Nemoder: rox-filer *is* a desktop. |
| 05:12.59 | Nemoder | oh |
| 05:13.02 | innodonni | zayuk: yes just follow the instructions on http://www.bootsplash.de |
| 05:13.10 | zayuk | innodonni: is it safe to install? boot is a critical process. if the system can't boot up for one reason or another, it is a gonna. |
| 05:13.36 | sanxiyn | Nemoder: The package "rox-filer" has /usr/bin/rox which is a desktop, and /usr/bin/rox-filer which is a file manager. |
| 05:13.52 | Nemoder | sanxiyn: ok thanks |
| 05:14.26 | gb | Anyway too make lynx-ssl honour the umask setting for creating files? |
| 05:14.44 | man_in_shack | i don't wanna use gdm ... |
| 05:14.47 | gb | no bug reports on it in the debian archive |
| 05:14.53 | man_in_shack | i suppose i COULD |
| 05:14.56 | sanxiyn | gb: File one? |
| 05:15.07 | ootput | is the hotplug->udev transition difficult? |
| 05:15.11 | innodonni | zayuk: just make sure you keep your old kernel handy. |
| 05:15.35 | kspath | may I have advice on finding a TTY fan site else I will have to start one where things like screen and ncurses are the focus and no GUI tools are ever mentioned? |
| 05:15.48 | zayuk | innodonni: ok, that .de site is in English rather than German. Good advice on keeping old cp of kernel. thks. |
| 05:15.57 | g3brown | hammerabi: did that make any sense to you? |
| 05:16.07 | innodonni | ootput: only on > 2.6.12. install that first |
| 05:16.17 | gb | hehe I use screen all the time |
| 05:16.48 | innodonni | !tell zayuk about bootsplash |
| 05:17.00 | kspath | gb: yes but there are MANY things besides screen that are great for people that prefer tty over GUI for anything/everything |
| 05:17.10 | ootput | innodonni: only (difficult) on kernels greather than 2.6.12? |
| 05:17.17 | innodonni | less than |
| 05:17.35 | ootput | ok |
| 05:17.50 | ootput | would a simple apt-get install udev do the trick, or would i need other pakcages as well? |
| 05:18.32 | zayuk | innodonni: thks for all the info. u r good. |
| 05:18.39 | innodonni | ootput: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12; reboot; apt-get install udev |
| 05:18.46 | ootput | kspath,gb: let's not forget mc ;) |
| 05:18.47 | gb | kspath: yes I use most of them :) |
| 05:19.29 | kspath | gb: do you know of a fan site that focuses on them long ago I found a few but searching now I am coming up short |
| 05:19.35 | gb | myhardware is so hold it wont run things like redcarp which used too require a gui too configure them |
| 05:19.45 | ootput | innodonni: i get errors towards the end of the reboot |
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| 05:19.49 | gb | arrgh -hold+old |
| 05:20.13 | ootput | innodonni: err, i meant the end of apt-get |
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| 05:20.22 | ootput | udev, even :) |
| 05:20.31 | gb | kspath: nup I spend most of my time bush away fromthe net |
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| 05:20.52 | innodonni | ootput: yes scroll up and it'll probably be about 2.6.12 kernel |
| 05:20.59 | ootput | kspath: i've come across several personal sites that lists alternatives, but that's about the extent of it |
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| 05:21.11 | sfullenwider | Does anyone know of any simple editors like gedit that can have a split screen? |
| 05:21.25 | ootput | innodonni: Populating the new /dev filesystem temporarily mounted on /tmp/udev.aOpU04/... |
| 05:21.37 | ootput | it complains about targets not being empty |
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| 05:23.30 | ootput | i'll reboot and see how far i get though. thanks innodonni. |
| 05:23.48 | ahattar | does ifconfig eth0 down then up will renew IP with DHCP or there is a better way to do it? |
| 05:24.14 | doleyb | ahattar: well, you wouldn't say "ifconfig eth0 down", its "ifdown eth0" |
| 05:24.33 | ahattar | ok |
| 05:24.48 | doleyb | ahattar: and then "ifup eth0" |
| 05:25.00 | kspath | ahattar: did you look at pump not sure if it does it better/different |
| 05:25.25 | doleyb | kspath: pump is generally worse than dhclient |
| 05:25.29 | innodonni | ootput: I think udev is smart enough to straighten out at boot |
| 05:25.56 | innodonni | oops |
| 05:26.02 | kspath | doleyb: good info thanks I avoid DHCP like plague so my experience with it is not great |
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| 05:26.50 | sanxiyn | kspath: Why do you avoid DHCP? |
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| 05:27.45 | kspath | sanxiyn: I am a nut |
| 05:28.05 | D_Lank06 | Hello yall. |
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| 05:28.49 | orchid | sfullenwider: joe, and vim do split screens, and of course emacs |
| 05:29.28 | ootput | innodonni: success. fantastic! |
| 05:29.36 | innodonni | ootput: congrats |
| 05:30.09 | kspath | is/was there a command window to split a term seems familiar |
| 05:30.24 | hammerabi | screen can |
| 05:30.31 | VivekVC | I would like to install kbabel, but i get the following message that asks me to install or upgrade the packages on this URL. I do not have space to upgrade these packages. The URL is http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/rDj6Zm16.html |
| 05:30.41 | ootput | patches (on the mailing list) are in the works to vertically split screen windows too |
| 05:31.08 | ootput | where "in the works" == works for me, but ymmv |
| 05:31.38 | cat | VivekVC: it's good to leave you're system up to date that's why is doing a big update |
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| 05:33.00 | ootput | would anybody happen to know which script (and in which runlevel) is run before network-setup? |
| 05:33.23 | VivekVC | cat: But my /usr is full that if i do an upgrade, many packages won't ven have space to get installed. It was 100% full some time back and a friend of mine purged some packages for me to free about 1% of space. I am the debian installer malayalam team lead and i desperately need to install kababel. |
| 05:33.37 | VivekVC | cat: kbabel* |
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| 05:34.08 | VivekVC | cat: Is there a way i can install kababel and only kbabel |
| 05:34.49 | ootput | in which script (new or existing) would I specify local bind mounts? |
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| 05:35.01 | dondelelcaro | ootput: you don't. Specify them in the fstab |
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| 05:35.11 | cat | VivekVC: try getting it from somewhere, |
| 05:35.29 | VivekVC | You mean other than apt-get ? |
| 05:35.40 | VivekVC | download and compile it from source ? |
| 05:36.35 | cat | why not |
| 05:36.39 | vb_coder | i guess that linux is made to be used with the internet but i thought debian had all of the gnu software i needed for a computer without the net |
| 05:37.06 | dondelelcaro | vb_coder: it does, assuming you got the cds that contain the software you needed. |
| 05:37.29 | g3brown | Can anyone help me remove apcd? This is the error I get --> http://channels.debian.net/paste/1434 |
| 05:37.30 | ootput | vb_coder: or the dvds |
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| 05:40.40 | dondelelcaro | g3brown: modify the apcd init.d file so that it just is #!/bin/sh exit 0; and then it will remove. |
| 05:41.04 | dondelelcaro | \n between the /bin/sh and exit 0; of course. |
| 05:41.13 | asuffield | I think you can just chmod -x them |
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| 05:41.35 | asuffield | since the calls are always wrapped in [ -x ... ] |
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| 05:41.43 | kspath | hammerabi: I used something to split my term long ago and I do not think it was screen it is a vague memory from 5-7 years ago on a FBSD cluster |
| 05:42.04 | kspath | my memory sucks |
| 05:42.04 | g3brown | dondelelcaro: so just remove everything except the 1st and last lines? |
| 05:42.10 | asuffield | kspath: then it's about time you started using modern software |
| 05:42.15 | dondelelcaro | g3brown: or chmod -x it as asuffield suggests. |
| 05:42.18 | ootput | dondelelcaro: would debian take care of unmounting bindmounts during shutdown? |
| 05:42.39 | dondelelcaro | ootput: if they're in the fstab it should... |
| 05:42.46 | ootput | great |
| 05:42.56 | ootput | cheers |
| 05:42.59 | kspath | asuffield: I am doing both but trying to get as low level as possible for a minimal install with FULL functionality without a GUI |
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| 05:43.16 | g3brown | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.21 | kspath | asuffield: yes I know there are the vttys |
| 05:43.24 | varsendagger | hey how do i mount a usb drive? |
| 05:43.50 | ootput | varsendagger: plug it in, turn it on, tail dmesg, and mount the partition it lists |
| 05:43.51 | g3brown | dondelelcaro: I didn't catch asuffield comment, but I see it now. |
| 05:44.15 | ootput | varsendagger: provided you have the correct kernel options, it should be listed as /dev/sd* |
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| 05:44.36 | varsendagger | ootput, thankyou |
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| 05:45.30 | Snoop | How do I add a user to a jail? |
| 05:45.49 | g3brown | asuffield: that worked. What is a problem because it was running while trying to be removed or what? |
| 05:45.52 | ootput | move the piece to the corresponding square :) |
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| 05:46.11 | g3brown | asuffield: I mean was it a problem because of that. |
| 05:46.12 | asuffield | *I* don't know |
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| 05:46.29 | g3brown | asuffield: okay, well thanks anyway |
| 05:46.36 | Snoop | How do I add a user to a jail? |
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| 05:49.23 | Guerin | Snoop: call the cops |
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| 05:49.45 | ootput | Guerin: 2nd only to my monopoly reference above :) |
| 05:50.12 | colk | how do you setup grub to boot linux from a IDE card |
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| 05:50.20 | nurfe | Does anybody know of a good guide to get alsa running? |
| 05:50.24 | colk | rather than the motherboards |
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| 05:51.08 | asuffield | colk: you have to get the bios to do it |
| 05:51.14 | asuffield | don't ask me how because I'm going now |
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| 05:52.38 | ambrose | How do I get that nice neat listing of the package versions of all the packages that a given package depends on? |
| 05:53.02 | idealbsd | i install tdiary in sid under apache2 and do as /usr/share/doc/tdiary/README.Debian, but got the error:Internal Server Error when open localhost/~foo/diary/, any suggestions? |
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| 05:54.38 | atlantis | im trying to install 64 bit debian from a network CD, after it gets all the packages, it will try to boot, a bunch of text is shown, and i get this error: "Kernel Panic - Not Syncing: Aiee, Killing interrupt handler." does anyone know how i can fix this? |
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| 05:55.05 | liable | ambrose: apt-cache depends |
| 05:55.17 | ambrose | ok, thanks liable |
| 05:55.32 | liable | yw |
| 05:57.59 | ootput | would anybody happen to know which script (and in which runlevel) is run before network-setup? |
| 05:58.29 | ootput | i'm trying to pinpoint residual scripts after switching over to udev and it's detection |
| 05:58.44 | Snoop | How do I add a user to a jail? |
| 05:58.50 | liable | ootput: look at the numbers in rc2.d |
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| 06:00.08 | kyncani | Snoop: have him commit a felony ;) |
| 06:00.29 | ootput | ahah, a 3rd contribution :) |
| 06:00.45 | hammerabi | Snoop: jail? you mean chroot? or vs? |
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| 06:03.31 | SqueegeeMan | msg dkg java |
| 06:03.37 | SqueegeeMan | /msb dpkg java |
| 06:03.43 | SqueegeeMan | ignore me, Im a moron |
| 06:03.57 | Snoop | hammerabi: Adding a user to a chroot jail |
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| 06:04.19 | ootput | when udev replaces hotplug, would the /etc/init.d/hotplug* scripts be obsolete? |
| 06:04.36 | ootput | i think they're still being called at boot |
| 06:04.54 | innodonni | ootput: purging the hotplug package is recommended: dpkg -P hotplug |
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| 06:05.10 | ootput | ah |
| 06:05.17 | ootput | innodonni: once again, thanks |
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| 06:06.26 | Snoop | anyone know how to add a user to chroot? |
| 06:06.30 | serij | S NOVIM GODAM !!!! HAPPI NEW Year's!!!!!!! |
| 06:06.51 | innodonni | ootput: however there are some packages that still leave things in /etc/hotplug.d/, which then (I think) are used by udev for compatability purposes. |
| 06:07.23 | dephi | my unstable/experimental system locks up everyday due to the sysstat cronjob...anyone else have this problem or suggestions? |
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| 06:07.42 | hammerabi | Snoop: chroot in and use adduser |
| 06:08.11 | Snoop | hammerbi: how do I chroot in? |
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| 06:10.04 | SimonRaven | man chroot |
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| 06:10.48 | SimonRaven | dephi: corrupt db? |
| 06:10.54 | idealbsd | i install tdiary in sid under apache2 and do as /usr/share/doc/tdiary/README.Debian, but got the error:Internal Server Error when open localhost/~foo/diary/, any suggestions? |
| 06:11.31 | ootput | clear |
| 06:11.35 | dephi | SimonRaven: good question...how would I know |
| 06:12.05 | SimonRaven | seeing if you can get anything from it |
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| 06:12.21 | serij | S NOVIM GODAM !!!! HAPPI NEW Year's!!!!!!! |
| 06:12.30 | serij | S NOVIM GODAM !!!! HAPPY NEW Year's!!!!!!! |
| 06:12.42 | ootput | serij: yeah, i'm hours past that ;) |
| 06:12.49 | dephi | usually I can, after it locks out users I can't |
| 06:13.11 | SimonRaven | serij: it's the 2nd here |
| 06:13.20 | SimonRaven | hate to spoil your fun |
| 06:13.22 | dephi | SimonRaven: the system stays up but no one can log in |
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| 06:13.36 | noiesmo | hey all |
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| 06:13.38 | dephi | after that I don't get sar stats |
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| 06:14.09 | SimonRaven | idealbsd: read your logs |
| 06:14.32 | noiesmo | I am recompile kernel on debian stable and i keep getting error with CONFIG_DRM is this needed have nvidia graphics card and via based m/b |
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| 06:15.41 | theacolyte | What's a safe way to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 on Sarge providing I don't have physical access to the machine to troubleshoot? apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686? |
| 06:15.56 | idealbsd | SimonRaven, [Mon Jan 02 13:51:40 2006] [alert] [client 127.0.0.1] /home/foo/public_html |
| 06:16.23 | noiesmo | I have edit .config file and set all #CONFIG_DRM is not set. when run make it asked about DRM but i say no it seems to be working any known issues |
| 06:17.35 | SimonRaven | theacolyte: backports.org, and install module-init-tools too |
| 06:17.51 | SimonRaven | but for that stuff i'd do it while physically present |
| 06:18.35 | SimonRaven | idealbsd: that's not helpful. anyway, check your file's perms, your conf |
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| 06:19.03 | jaysee | Hi... I've just installed Debian Stable and it's set my screen resolution at 800x600 instead of 1024x768 (with a big black border to make up the extra room). I told it during installation the resolution I wanted but it didn't do it. The "screen resolution preferences" only gives me 800x600 and 640x480. I know my graphics card works bigger than that because Windows and other linux distro's let me do 1024x768. Anyone know how I can fix |
| 06:19.03 | jaysee | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.38 | theacolyte | SimonRaven: The regular repositories don't have a 2.6 upgrade? |
| 06:19.48 | noiesmo | jaysee, edit /etc/X11/XF86config-4 or xorg file |
| 06:19.49 | AciD | cn |
| 06:19.52 | AciD | gn |
| 06:20.03 | Guerin | noiesmo: no |
| 06:20.10 | Guerin | !drxx jaysee |
| 06:20.10 | dpkg | jaysee: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:20.21 | SimonRaven | theacolyte: well, depends. has 2.6.8, but nothing later (with patches) |
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| 06:21.01 | noiesmo | Guerin, why not just edit the file thats all i normally do set the freq on monitor and adjust resolution |
| 06:21.12 | kspath | not everyone is on our calendar |
| 06:21.16 | theacolyte | SimonRaven: As logn as it's stable. 2.6 is much more stable than 2.4 |
| 06:21.17 | idealbsd | SimonRaven, i'm just use tdiary-setup to create the folder and don't known exactly which perms it should |
| 06:21.35 | doleyb | in my calendar is it 55 |
| 06:21.52 | kspath | it 55 ? |
| 06:21.53 | Guerin | noiesmo: it's harder than necessary, and easy to fuck up. |
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| 06:22.23 | doleyb | it is 55 years since Marie Curie invented radiocarbon dating, and that's what I measure time from. |
| 06:22.29 | sifi-z | can root saftley download files, I guess wget is to insecure? |
| 06:22.39 | kspath | even nations that use the same calendar do not necessarily celebrate new years on the same date |
| 06:22.47 | noiesmo | Guerin, fair enough :-) |
| 06:23.05 | kspath | doleyb: lol was she Polish and studying in France? |
| 06:23.08 | SimonRaven | idealbsd: never used it. READMEs are nice |
| 06:23.21 | jaysee | thanks... I'm trying that stuff now... |
| 06:23.27 | idealbsd | SimonRaven, thanks a lot :) |
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| 06:23.35 | SimonRaven | good luck |
| 06:23.49 | innodonni | !tell sifi-z about root |
| 06:23.53 | SimonRaven | sifi-z: not a Good Idea |
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| 06:24.18 | ambrose | liable, reportbug was what I was looking for. thanks for helping |
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| 06:24.32 | sifi-z | tell that to junbug in #bash "lol why not, its just a utility not a daeemon listening on a port or somethin" |
| 06:24.49 | lazlo | i have a question.. when i do apt-cache search... the database is short |
| 06:24.52 | noiesmo | Guerin, know much about CONFIG_DRM in kernel .config file |
| 06:24.53 | lazlo | i cant find irssi |
| 06:24.56 | lazlo | why is that</ |
| 06:25.02 | lazlo | ?* |
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| 06:25.12 | Guerin | noiesmo: nope. No DRM in my kernel, thanks. |
| 06:25.14 | SimonRaven | sifi-z: tell him he's a moron |
| 06:25.14 | sifi-z | so how do I dowload with wget with another user through sudo? |
| 06:25.20 | Guerin | lazlo: because you're stupid. |
| 06:25.42 | SimonRaven | sifi-z: you don't. if you have to chown something do it right and use chown |
| 06:25.44 | Guerin | sifi-z: are you the fuckwith who wants the isos owned by root? |
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| 06:25.53 | noiesmo | Guerin, not Digital Rights MAnagement is Direct Rendering Module think |
| 06:26.05 | lazlo | thank you i like to think so too.. however given that im new to linux.. it is a big problem i have :) |
| 06:26.08 | sifi-z | Guerin, nope |
| 06:26.22 | SimonRaven | DRI, not the crap that they try to pass off as "good for us" |
| 06:26.32 | Guerin | sifi-z: oh, ok. |
| 06:27.06 | Guerin | noiesmo: oh. none of that either. |
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| 06:27.18 | lazlo | there is no way toupdate the database or something |
| 06:27.20 | lazlo | ?? |
| 06:27.24 | noiesmo | Guerin, k |
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| 06:28.37 | Guerin | lazlo: /msg dpkg search |
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| 06:29.28 | SqueegeeMan | last time I checked (long ago) there were wtill issues getting nvidia cards to work in 2.6 kernels. Is this still the case? |
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| 06:29.44 | ke6isf | !nvidia |
| 06:29.44 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
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| 06:30.48 | cakoose | What's the proper debian way to compile the fglrx module for my current kernel? |
| 06:30.56 | jaysee | Thanks for your help... it worked great! |
| 06:31.11 | ke6isf | !fglrx |
| 06:31.11 | dpkg | i heard fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
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| 06:31.49 | cakoose | ke6isf: I've learned that the hard way, I guess... but what do I do now that I'm already stuck with the card? |
| 06:32.12 | cakoose | ke6isf: But in general, I was wondering how you're supposed to compile a kernel module against the current set of headers. |
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| 06:32.27 | SimonRaven | SqueegeeMan: running a tnt2 in 2.6.14. answer your question? |
| 06:32.37 | slava | can somebody suggest an MTA for running a low-volume server with only a handful of user accounts? |
| 06:32.55 | ke6isf | cakoose: I thinik module-assist is probably your answer. |
| 06:33.00 | ke6isf | slava: postfix |
| 06:33.00 | Frogmorton | hi all, i have just installed 3.1 on a HP proliant and it locks up every 10 minutes, either shuts down video or freezes everything |
| 06:33.03 | slava | it will only handle incoming mail |
| 06:33.13 | slava | ke6isf: is it well-supported by the debian security team? |
| 06:33.19 | ke6isf | slava: Very. |
| 06:33.26 | slava | ok. |
| 06:33.34 | Frogmorton | I suspect ACPI is faulty, do i need to config & compile a kernel to disable it? |
| 06:33.39 | Guerin | slava: not that it really needs to be; there's not been a meaningful remote exploit in it yet. |
| 06:33.59 | SqueegeeMan | SimonRaven: why yes. Thanks :) |
| 06:34.28 | ke6isf | slava: Just go through your options, make sure VRFY is off (prevents harvesting), require HELO, and double check that you aren't going to be relay-raped. |
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| 06:35.02 | slava | ke6isf: right. at some point i'll investigate server-side spam filtering too |
| 06:35.10 | ke6isf | slava: spamassassin. |
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| 06:35.21 | SimonRaven | heh, relay-raped |
| 06:35.44 | ke6isf | !acpi |
| 06:35.44 | dpkg | methinks acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 06:37.00 | SimonRaven | eh, ring 0? |
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| 06:38.19 | Frogmorton | I dont trust the version of ACPI on this old server, can I turn off power management? |
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| 06:38.42 | slava | thanks for the help guys |
| 06:38.48 | Guerin | Frogmorton: you have my permission. |
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| 06:39.26 | Frogmorton | why thank you... i think. I have gentoo on another hd and it has the same problem with what I think is power management ignoring the keyboard |
| 06:39.30 | close_to_debian | is gnome 2.12 available in unstable |
| 06:39.31 | aeronadix | man I've been using debian for so long and in the beginning I learned fast with installing, but now I learn nothing, and still can't do so many things. I need to practive kernel compilation or something... How do I set up a webcam under linux. I found a debian package that I thought was the one, but when I do an apt-cache search, I only find the source package or something |
| 06:39.54 | aeronadix | I have a logithech webcam |
| 06:40.01 | SimonRaven | close_to_debian: no. /msg dpkg experimental |
| 06:40.03 | cakoose | When I try to build a module with module-assistant, the build fails with "No rule to make target" "/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.7-k4/arch/i386/Makefile". I only have "/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.7-k4/include". |
| 06:40.10 | Coke | aeronadix: my advice to you is to use another distribution. |
| 06:40.15 | SimonRaven | close_to_debian: you get to keep both pieces |
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| 06:40.20 | man_in_shack | hey there |
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| 06:40.43 | man_in_shack | i just upgraded to xorg 6.9 and now i can't switch to consoles with ctrl+alt+f keys |
| 06:40.55 | aeronadix | anyone here use webcams with Linux? |
| 06:40.57 | SimonRaven | BTS |
| 06:41.03 | man_in_shack | and i can't change resolutions with ctrl+alt+numkeys either |
| 06:41.12 | Coke | aeronadix: what do you think? |
| 06:41.38 | man_in_shack | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 06:41.44 | doleyb | aeronadix: i have used some cameras |
| 06:42.10 | SimonRaven | man_in_shack: BTS |
| 06:42.15 | man_in_shack | :| |
| 06:42.33 | aeronadix | Coke, how come I can only find the sources in the cache, can I install using sources? |
| 06:42.34 | doleyb | aeronadix: it depends on what kind of camera you have, ov511 is pretty common, run lsusb to see |
| 06:42.36 | Coke | aeronadix: make sure your camera is one that has free drivers, the ones that have only closed source drivers suck. |
| 06:42.40 | Frogmorton | if you cant change resolution, has your config file been changed by a config program or something? |
| 06:42.42 | man_in_shack | SimonRaven, what should i be looking for? |
| 06:42.50 | man_in_shack | Frogmorton, no |
| 06:42.54 | SimonRaven | xserver-xorg |
| 06:43.02 | doleyb | man_in_shack: also try xrandr |
| 06:43.04 | Coke | aeronadix: wha? either install the binary package or the source package. |
| 06:43.06 | aeronadix | lsusb: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 046d:d001 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Pro |
| 06:43.12 | man_in_shack | doleyb, xrandr doesn't work the same way |
| 06:43.21 | aeronadix | Coke, was the difference |
| 06:43.24 | Coke | aeronadix: quickcam is the same I have. |
| 06:43.42 | Coke | aeronadix: the binary packages contain binaries and source packages contains sources. |
| 06:43.48 | aeronadix | This is whats there? qc-usb-source - source code for QuickCam Express kernel module |
| 06:44.05 | noiesmo | is there easy way to add bootsplash to debian sarge |
| 06:44.11 | aeronadix | Ok, I am just gonna install that one and see what happens |
| 06:44.13 | Coke | aeronadix: yes, that sounds about right. |
| 06:44.18 | Coke | aeronadix: no. |
| 06:44.22 | Coke | aeronadix: it's a soruce package. |
| 06:44.35 | Coke | aeronadix: I recommend that you switch to Mandriva or Fedora. |
| 06:44.39 | Coke | or! |
| 06:44.41 | aeronadix | Coke: yeah, thats what I was saying, what can I do with it, how to install source packages? |
| 06:44.48 | Coke | read up on how to compile your own kernel. |
| 06:45.02 | doleyb | aeronadix: quickcam pro uses http://nw802.sourceforge.net/news.html |
| 06:45.02 | aeronadix | I like apt-get too much to switch from debian |
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| 06:45.22 | Coke | aeronadix: you _install_ source packages with apt-get or dpki like binary packages, but then you have to build the sources into binaries manually. |
| 06:45.25 | doleyb | aeronadix: well technically, there are many other distros which have apt-get now. (Even fedora, but it sucks) |
| 06:45.56 | Coke | aeronadix: or, in the case of kernel modules, using the nifty kernel building programs (kernel-package) |
| 06:46.00 | Eno_ | It's not so much apt-get as it is the amazing repo of software. |
| 06:46.35 | Coke | aeronadix: but you can't handle Debian. you are asking quite fundamental questions, so you have to decide now whether you're running Debian to learn or to use. |
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| 06:47.47 | Coke | aeronadix: if you wish to learn more about building sources, kernel or otherwise, there are shelves of material in the form of tutorials, how-to's and what not. |
| 06:48.06 | Coke | aeronadix: there is no "quick fix" for your problem unless you're willing to switch distribution. |
| 06:48.11 | man_in_shack | SimonRaven, thanks, trying apt-get install xlibs-data now |
| 06:48.35 | man_in_shack | there should be a metapackage for all the core x stuff |
| 06:48.44 | Esin | I have a problem with a broken dependency in amd64 testing will someone recieve me in #flood? |
| 06:48.45 | man_in_shack | xlibs, libx11, etc |
| 06:48.46 | Eno_ | x-window-system? |
| 06:49.05 | man_in_shack | oh whoops |
| 06:49.06 | Esin | I have already apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 06:49.08 | aeronadix | I just like debian too much to switch right now thanks |
| 06:49.10 | Coke | Eno_: exactly. apt-get and dpki both could be a lot better, but the Debian repository, the back ports, the patches, the security updates... That's luxurious compared to any other OS. |
| 06:49.11 | man_in_shack | i was spelling it "x-windows-system" :) |
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| 06:49.21 | Coke | aeronadix: ok, then hang on while I find you some URLs |
| 06:49.25 | man_in_shack | brb |
| 06:49.27 | aeronadix | debian is too easy for me to switch rightt now |
| 06:49.31 | doleyb | Esin: channels.debian.net/paste is better than #flood |
| 06:49.43 | aeronadix | Coke, thanks |
| 06:49.45 | Coke | aeronadix: http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/howto/debian_kernel_compile.html |
| 06:50.02 | Coke | aeronadix: and, this is where your bread and butter of information will be: http://tldp.org/ |
| 06:50.14 | aeronadix | COke, you were mentioned how to installed from sources? I can just install those sources, and compile? I am gonna try that, but what applicatoin runs the webcam after |
| 06:50.15 | Esin | doleyb: I don't think I understand |
| 06:50.20 | cakoose | I'm having problems getting the kernel to mount the root partition. Do you think the "kernel debugging" kconfig option will print out more debugging messages during boot? |
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| 06:50.30 | Esin | Is that a channel on this server? |
| 06:50.51 | aeronadix | doleyb, what application do you use to run the cam? |
| 06:50.53 | Coke | aeronadix: no, read the first URL I gave you. it covers the kernel-package instructions as well so you can be Debian compatible. |
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| 06:51.18 | Coke | aeronadix: there are several good streaming servers, chat programs, etc. |
| 06:51.36 | Esin | It says it is holding back apt apt-get and aptitude when I upgrade, should i upgrade theese by hand then? |
| 06:52.20 | aeronadix | Coke, You know how to integrate that stuff into website? |
| 06:52.28 | kspath | SUCKS |
| 06:52.37 | man_in_shack | ty SimonRaven, is now working :) |
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| 06:52.46 | aeronadix | Coke, Do i need to kernel compile, just for the webcam |
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| 06:53.01 | Coke | aeronadix: this is a newer edition of that debian kernel building howto: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 06:53.12 | kspath | apparently there is some dumbbutt qterm bbs client written in Qt with same name as something useful ARGH query terminal |
| 06:53.19 | Esin | I guess I'll wait till tommorrow see if the packages are fixed by then |
| 06:53.40 | Coke | aeronadix: you can always check in the kernel image package if the driver is available in binary form already. |
| 06:53.52 | Coke | aeronadix: what kernel are you using? |
| 06:54.10 | aeronadix | 2.6.8 |
| 06:54.33 | aeronadix | Coke: how so I check in the kernel image package? |
| 06:55.19 | Coke | aeronadix: dpkg -L <package name> or the web. |
| 06:55.28 | pascal_deb | Hi all |
| 06:55.53 | Coke | aeronadix: you must read the debian kernel tutorials. |
| 06:56.18 | doleyb | aeronadix: to view a cam, use xawtv, gqcam, motion, or mplayer |
| 06:56.23 | Eclipser | interesting what one can find with google... like the logs of this channel since 2003... |
| 06:56.33 | Esin | any clues on installing ati drivers on amd 64? (besides good luck, praying, etc?) |
| 06:56.38 | pascal_deb | I can't mount my root partition on rescue mode (grub has been broken) ... any idea why ? |
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| 06:57.23 | Coke | pascal_deb: the computer probably tells you why. messages? |
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| 06:57.43 | pascal_deb | yes |
| 06:57.46 | pascal_deb | mount -t ext3 /dev/hda4 /mnt/hda4 |
| 06:57.46 | pascal_deb | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda4, |
| 06:57.46 | pascal_deb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.46 | pascal_deb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.46 | pascal_deb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:58.22 | Eclipser | why is it that no one is wise enough to use a pastebin the first time |
| 06:58.37 | Esin | hmm first thing I would do is make sure it was ext3 |
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| 06:58.57 | Eclipser | he's not here anymore |
| 06:59.00 | Esin | Becuase they're worried about their problem at the moment not policy |
| 06:59.04 | Esin | I know. |
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| 06:59.30 | Esin | Welcome. |
| 07:00.03 | aeronadix | pascal: try just mount /dev/hda4 /mnt |
| 07:00.06 | pascal_deb | yes it tells wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda4 missing codepage or other error |
| 07:00.38 | Esin | I would guess the CIA got to the partition. |
| 07:00.43 | aeronadix | Isn't hda3 the limit, after that they are logical partitions? |
| 07:01.01 | Esin | up to 4 primary partitions I believe |
| 07:01.05 | pascal_deb | i've got the same error with mount /dev/hda4 /mnt |
| 07:01.08 | aeronadix | oh yeah 4 |
| 07:01.18 | aeronadix | do ls / first then |
| 07:01.29 | Guerin | broken partition table |
| 07:01.40 | Esin | or fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 07:01.42 | Guerin | see what fdisk, etc. say. |
| 07:01.58 | SimonRaven | and they say linux is hard... i wonder what they did when they saw their first BSOD... |
| 07:02.21 | pascal_deb | how and where can i post these info (because of flood) ? |
| 07:02.51 | Eno_ | pastebin.com |
| 07:02.52 | Esin | first time for me I was like oh SH! I just broke my parents computer |
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| 07:03.16 | SimonRaven | yeh, by having windows installed |
| 07:03.36 | revertwarzz | anybody know what server/channel i can go onto to see a hacker's botnet in action? |
| 07:03.38 | SimonRaven | !away |
| 07:03.39 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 07:03.48 | SimonRaven | revertwarzz: yours |
| 07:03.55 | revertwarzz | right right right right right |
| 07:04.11 | revertwarzz | you implying that i'm infected ? |
| 07:04.21 | Esin | lol |
| 07:04.40 | pascal_deb | here they are http://pastebin.com/486873 |
| 07:04.48 | SimonRaven | no, just saying that you could do it yourself, and do tests or whatever. infected? what you have a cold? |
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| 07:04.54 | Eclipser | !lol |
| 07:04.54 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:04.58 | revertwarzz | i do actually |
| 07:05.01 | kspath | last thing I imagined was something useful like qterm package not being there and no qterm the BBS client in Qt does NOT count /me starts crying |
| 07:05.05 | SimonRaven | :/ |
| 07:05.12 | SimonRaven | get well soon then |
| 07:05.23 | ke6isf | revertwarzz: Nyquil is your friend, then. Hope you feel better. |
| 07:06.02 | revertwarzz | :) |
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| 07:06.35 | Esin | Hey how do I do the apt-get install linux-headers{uname -r} command (correctly) |
| 07:07.00 | SimonRaven | $() |
| 07:07.03 | Esin | ah |
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| 07:07.19 | SimonRaven | the non-posix way is `` |
| 07:07.35 | SimonRaven | well, correction, it is, but isn't |
| 07:07.57 | pascal_deb | any idea why i ca't mount ? |
| 07:08.02 | Eno_ | There an advantage of using $() over ``? |
| 07:08.16 | aeronadix | I have the sources for a package, what can I do with it? |
| 07:08.24 | SimonRaven | $() is easier to make out when you have several |
| 07:08.36 | Esin | Let it reside on a harddrive |
| 07:08.50 | SimonRaven | let it bitrot :P |
| 07:09.25 | SimonRaven | Esin: that made a little rhyme almost |
| 07:09.54 | noiesmo | where can i get a list of tools and utilities need for kernel compile |
| 07:10.04 | SimonRaven | !b-e noiesmo |
| 07:10.04 | dpkg | noiesmo: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 07:10.22 | streuner | !tell noiesmo about kp |
| 07:10.25 | Guerin | noiesmo: build-essential libncurses5-dev bzip2 fakeroot |
| 07:10.30 | Guerin | kernel-package |
| 07:10.34 | Esin | woot |
| 07:10.36 | noiesmo | SimonRaven, Cheers |
| 07:10.44 | SimonRaven | ^^^ too |
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| 07:11.58 | SimonRaven | i call it my "BOFH with a nice edge" |
| 07:12.43 | Esin | ERROR 1: error just in case |
| 07:13.02 | kspath | wow so somewhere along the way people let nice tools like qterm die out sucks |
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| 07:13.29 | Guerin | kspath: if they were that nice, someone would have bothered to save them |
| 07:13.34 | SimonRaven | wth is qterm? some like minicom? |
| 07:13.42 | SimonRaven | +thing |
| 07:14.09 | kspath | query terminal -- detects your terminal type |
| 07:14.28 | Esin | Think of Q tip technology applied to a terminal |
| 07:14.57 | SimonRaven | cute |
| 07:15.01 | Coke | aeronadix: are you still bothering people with the questions that could be answered by reading the tutorials? |
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| 07:15.33 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 07:15.36 | aeronadix | Coke: Oh |
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| 07:16.04 | aeronadix | I copied them down, but I thought I could install the webcam without a kernel recompile |
| 07:16.20 | Coke | aeronadix: that depends on what kernel you are running and what modules were compiled for it. |
| 07:16.35 | Coke | aeronadix: but to use the driver source packages you must recompile. |
| 07:16.46 | Esin | anyone ever get an ati to accelerate on sixty-four bit..? |
| 07:16.51 | aeronadix | Coke, Ok, I see, thank you |
| 07:17.03 | Esin | I think I heard once upon a time this Gentoo guy did it |
| 07:17.12 | aeronadix | Coke, or you could build a debian package? |
| 07:17.49 | Coke | aeronadix: yes, you can build a Debian package from the kernel sources using the kernel-package utilities. |
| 07:18.23 | kspath | so if I were to get permission from author to package qterm what do I start to do read packaging and maintainers FAQs? |
| 07:18.23 | aeronadix | build essential |
| 07:18.23 | anapivirtua_ | lo all |
| 07:18.28 | SimonRaven | s /-/ |
| 07:18.34 | SimonRaven | s/ /-/ even |
| 07:18.39 | Guerin | kspath: /msh dpkg nm guide |
| 07:18.46 | kspath | thanks |
| 07:19.30 | SimonRaven | i imagine perl or sed whinging about that replace... |
| 07:19.33 | Esin | Cannot resolve ip-library Why does this happen ?! *cries* |
| 07:19.37 | en1gma | after i do a 'make && make modules && make modules_install' what do i tell grub to do to get it to add my new kernel |
| 07:19.53 | en1gma | i have to do it this way for now |
| 07:20.04 | Coke | Esin: how do you resolve a library? |
| 07:20.08 | hammerabi | Esin: contextless statements like that can't really be helped |
| 07:20.18 | hammerabi | Esin: you'd need to at least mention what and why you're doing |
| 07:20.18 | Esin | If you desktop installed use the boot thing in the gnome admin menu |
| 07:20.28 | Esin | compiling a ati module |
| 07:20.39 | Esin | an rather* |
| 07:20.52 | kspath | one other question there is already a conflicting package name that is unrelated who/what determines new package name do I just propose 3-4 alternatives? |
| 07:21.04 | Coke | Esin: don't bother correcting from "a" to "an", your english is not coherent anyway. |
| 07:21.15 | Coke | Esin: let's try again, what is it you want to do? |
| 07:21.16 | en1gma | help |
| 07:21.29 | Esin | What's that I couldn't hear you past the elitism |
| 07:22.09 | Coke | Esin: yes, this is the official english channel. |
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| 07:22.16 | Esin | Ok anyways trying to get the ati driver to compile I don't need acceleration I just need it to get me to 1280x800 |
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| 07:22.28 | SimonRaven | en1gma: man update-grub; er, or could be grub-install too, check the man pages for them. i just hand edit |
| 07:22.39 | Esin | Now it won't even compile |
| 07:22.39 | Coke | Esin: do you get a build error? |
| 07:22.52 | en1gma | come on guys |
| 07:23.00 | Coke | en1gma: come on wht? |
| 07:23.02 | Esin | Yes "error could not resolve matching ip library |
| 07:23.04 | Esin | " |
| 07:23.13 | en1gma | after i do a 'make && make modules && make modules_install' what do i tell grub to do to get it to add my new kernel |
| 07:23.23 | Esin | That's all it says I'm serious |
| 07:23.31 | Coke | Esin: intruiging. |
| 07:23.41 | SimonRaven | i answered you, go away then if you're going to take that attitude |
| 07:24.05 | tuv | what exactly is the processor class of virtual machine in qemu? according to /proc/cpuinfo in the guest it's a PII with sse2!!!.. is that i686, PIII or P4? |
| 07:24.26 | en1gma | help |
| 07:24.31 | nkuttler | en1gma: use make-kpkg to build a .deb, /msg dpkg kp |
| 07:24.54 | Guerin | tuv: 686 |
| 07:25.25 | Coke | Esin: do you speak german? |
| 07:25.29 | en1gma | "make-kpkg" not found |
| 07:25.46 | Guerin | en1gma: we already told you about installit |
| 07:25.50 | nkuttler | en1gma: what do you mean by adding it to grub? |
| 07:25.51 | aeronadix | There is no 2.8 yet? |
| 07:25.53 | nkuttler | hmm... |
| 07:25.56 | Guerin | en1gma: you're too stupid to build a kernel. |
| 07:26.04 | nkuttler | Guerin: heh |
| 07:26.10 | Coke | Esin: I googled and the only threads I found were in German and Polish (I think). |
| 07:26.16 | en1gma | ive built a 1000kernels |
| 07:26.19 | liable | en1gma: kernel-package |
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| 07:26.26 | en1gma | just not with debian |
| 07:26.31 | en1gma | or grub |
| 07:26.34 | nkuttler | en1gma: apt-get install kernel-package, read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/* |
| 07:26.41 | en1gma | k |
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| 07:26.46 | Coke | en1gma: grub has a /boot/menu/grub.lst, add it there. |
| 07:26.59 | Coke | en1gma: see the examples, read the man page for grub and all that stuff. |
| 07:26.59 | D3vIN | what all sources can i put in with etch with out it breaking or only etch sources? |
| 07:27.08 | tuv | Guerin: is 686 supposed to support sse2? |
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| 07:27.20 | Esin | when I google the error all that comes up is debian lists in german |
| 07:27.20 | Esin | Is there any compiling tools I need be aware of for this to compile? |
| 07:27.20 | Esin | Besides GCC |
| 07:27.30 | shad0w1e | anyone know of a utility to could recover files off of a damaged FAT32 partition? |
| 07:27.31 | nkuttler | D3vIN: why do you want to add sources? |
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| 07:28.12 | en1gma | coke yea i added it there but dont grub have to be ran after that |
| 07:28.15 | Esin | It seems my cable fell out |
| 07:28.21 | SimonRaven | en1gma: no |
| 07:28.24 | Coke | en1gma: no. |
| 07:28.26 | Esin | Did I miss the answer to my problem? |
| 07:28.32 | SimonRaven | en1gma: just the entry for the new kernel |
| 07:28.33 | Ketter | en1gma: read up, take a look at wat SimonRaven said |
| 07:28.33 | nkuttler | shad0w1e: ontrack? |
| 07:28.44 | D3vIN | nkuttler so i can update my machine. the sources i have now are only showing 3.3 stuff and i just want a full upgrade |
| 07:28.44 | liable | !b-e Esin |
| 07:28.44 | dpkg | Esin: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 07:28.47 | Ketter | en1gma: or, install a debian preped kernel |
| 07:28.51 | shad0w1e | nkuttler, thanks/ |
| 07:28.52 | Ketter | en1gma: don't try and combine both |
| 07:28.54 | nkuttler | Denn: 3.3 stuff? |
| 07:28.58 | en1gma | thats pretty cool |
| 07:29.00 | nkuttler | erm |
| 07:29.07 | nkuttler | D3vIN: 3.3 stuff? what 3.3? |
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| 07:29.26 | D3vIN | nkuttler like kde 3.3 |
| 07:29.36 | Coke | Esin: I don't read german that good, but from the sources it seems your IP library is not where it's suposed to be. |
| 07:29.43 | close_to_debian | is gnome 2.12 available in unstable |
| 07:29.44 | en1gma | make-kpkg will do everything? |
| 07:29.45 | Coke | Esin: have you removed packages lately? |
| 07:29.55 | Esin | clean install 30 minutes ago |
| 07:29.59 | en1gma | it ok for me to reboot |
| 07:30.07 | Esin | I just installed everything to get gnome-lite running |
| 07:30.07 | Coke | Esin: then it might be something you haven't installed yet. |
| 07:30.08 | Ketter | en1gma: reading an manual will do more for you |
| 07:30.16 | Esin | right so I'm gonna get waht dpkg said |
| 07:30.22 | Coke | Esin: read the INSTALL files (or whatever ATI provides) for any info on requirements. |
| 07:30.35 | SimonRaven | shows how much of TFM you read... |
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| 07:31.03 | nkuttler | D3vIN: you're doing something wrong, see /topic |
| 07:31.14 | Ketter | time to get to work |
| 07:31.22 | Esin | I did, I have better luck googling it though it's so vague |
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| 07:31.55 | clojster | how can I install older version of x-window-system than I have currently installed? (I have the correct snapshot repository in my sources.list, but apt shows me only the newest version) |
| 07:32.05 | Coke | Esin: have you installed all the build tools required? |
| 07:32.10 | nkuttler | clojster: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 07:32.14 | Esin | It's going.. |
| 07:32.19 | SimonRaven | close_to_debian: i answered you that half an hour ago |
| 07:32.23 | en1gma | when using aptitude to select packages i want is there a way to save that config so i can load on a new install |
| 07:32.24 | Coke | Esin: it's going? |
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| 07:32.34 | duckdown | Can someone reccomend to me a good poker game? |
| 07:32.35 | nkuttler | clojster: with snapshot... i think they have instructions on the page |
| 07:32.35 | Esin | Using bit torrent on the other machine |
| 07:32.52 | Guerin | duckdown: poker |
| 07:33.13 | Esin | I installed build-essential same problem |
| 07:33.51 | duckdown | Guerin, and where do I get this |
| 07:33.52 | clojster | nkuttler: yes. instructions to add repository to sources.list. But I dont know how to install older version when dselect shows me only the newest |
| 07:34.07 | Coke | There are quite good poker analysis and statistic libraries, but the real killer would be a client/server based texas hold'em table. :) |
| 07:34.29 | SimonRaven | duckdown: a package of 52 of what's called cards, the package called a deck, and at least one hand or other tool to manipulate said cards |
| 07:34.52 | duckdown | zing |
| 07:34.55 | duckdown | :/ |
| 07:35.38 | en1gma | k i ran make-kpkg but i dont see a new kernel in /boot |
| 07:35.53 | nkuttler | clojster: hm... looks like the packages are marked as experimental, apt-get -t |
| 07:36.00 | Esin | dpkg -i kernel-bleh |
| 07:36.07 | en1gma | kk |
| 07:36.11 | Esin | Jesus |
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| 07:36.28 | en1gma | never done this sorry |
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| 07:37.35 | aeronadix | how do I compile kernel source with other sources such as qc-usb-modules.tar.gz and others |
| 07:38.29 | Esin | mount -t /girl/brunette /room/bed -o unhide |
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| 07:39.09 | nkuttler | aeronadix: /msg dpkg kp |
| 07:39.18 | nkuttler | btw, does m-a build .debs? |
| 07:39.24 | D3vIN | why does linux steal all my memory |
| 07:39.41 | aeronadix | D3vIN, You not deserving |
| 07:39.47 | Esin | Damn you linux! *shakes fist in the air* |
| 07:39.56 | SimonRaven | Esin: you won't until you install the resulting .deb (in ..) |
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| 07:40.05 | SimonRaven | Esin: not you, en1gma |
| 07:40.09 | aeronadix | nkuttler, can I do it inside menuconfig? |
| 07:40.28 | nkuttler | aeronadix: you read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/* |
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| 07:41.53 | thepainterjeff20 | hello all |
| 07:42.05 | exobyte | I need to broadcast a udp packet on a certain port. Is something like tftp 255.255.255.255 a good way to do this? |
| 07:42.31 | thepainterjeff20 | what |
| 07:42.34 | thepainterjeff20 | hang on |
| 07:42.54 | doleyb | exobyte: there is the netcat package for that (and also socat) |
| 07:43.00 | hammerabi | exobyte: surely nc would be easier? |
| 07:43.16 | exobyte | hammerabi: depends on what I have installed |
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| 07:43.31 | Fr0Gs | Does anyone want 20gb of webspace and unlimited bandwidth for 15usd a month |
| 07:44.04 | exobyte | doleyb: socat looks like socal |
| 07:44.06 | SimonRaven | go spam elsewhere |
| 07:44.35 | exobyte | Fr0Gs: probably |
| 07:44.43 | en1gma | if i just did a "make-kpkg" what would my "dpkg -i" be |
| 07:44.43 | en1gma | it cant find file |
| 07:44.50 | nkuttler | en1gma: ls .. |
| 07:44.58 | en1gma | i did |
| 07:45.05 | markw | en1gma: the .deb is one directory above the source tree. |
| 07:45.13 | en1gma | ooo |
| 07:45.17 | en1gma | 1 sec |
| 07:45.25 | markw | en1gma: did you do a make-kpkg with kernel-image? |
| 07:45.27 | liable | en1gma: erm, did you read the docs? what exactly was the command you used? |
| 07:45.47 | en1gma | make-kpkg |
| 07:46.06 | nkuttler | en1gma: you too, read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/* |
| 07:46.25 | SimonRaven | ffs... |
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| 07:46.37 | en1gma | im on a pda |
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| 07:46.48 | nkuttler | en1gma: so? |
| 07:46.55 | en1gma | my system isnt even running yet |
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| 07:47.11 | nkuttler | en1gma: how do you run make-kpkg then? |
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| 07:47.21 | SimonRaven | in his shorts |
| 07:47.26 | nkuttler | hehe |
| 07:47.27 | Esin | It big secret me no tell |
| 07:47.54 | en1gma | i did a base install |
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| 07:48.08 | en1gma | its barely running |
| 07:48.18 | liable | ... |
| 07:48.23 | Fr0Gs | Does anyone want 20gb of webspace and unlimited bandwidth for 15usd a month |
| 07:48.25 | nkuttler | en1gma: if it runs make-kpkg it can run a pager i guess |
| 07:48.26 | close_to_debian | SimonRaven: Sorry i was away from the pc can you repeat that again? |
| 07:48.29 | SimonRaven | base install you can a lot ... |
| 07:48.31 | nkuttler | Fr0Gs: go away |
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| 07:48.39 | Esin | apt-get install less |
| 07:48.44 | nkuttler | wow |
| 07:48.47 | SimonRaven | close_to_debian: /lastlog close_to_debian |
| 07:48.48 | en1gma | alot if you know debian |
| 07:49.05 | SimonRaven | can do * |
| 07:49.07 | close_to_debian | SimonRaven: I did apt-get dist-upgade -t unstable (i have testing running but i do have apt- pinning) |
| 07:49.11 | en1gma | i just want to update kernel |
| 07:49.20 | ambrose | does ccache work with make-kpkg? When I tried I got errors, but maybe I did it wrong. MAKEFLAGS="CC=ccache gcc" make-kpkg --initrd --version=mine.0 kernel-image |
| 07:49.27 | nkuttler | en1gma: erm, why? |
| 07:49.37 | en1gma | and cantbfind where make-kpkg put it |
| 07:49.38 | ambrose | errors were, ccache doesn't understand flags -E and -p |
| 07:49.44 | exobyte | if I have two networks on the same physical network, will broadcasts be recieved? (maybe a 10.x.x.x and a 192.168.x.x network) |
| 07:49.56 | en1gma | so i can make my pda into modem |
| 07:50.09 | close_to_debian | SimonRaven: I still have 2.10 do i need to do anything alse |
| 07:50.12 | en1gma | and get on net and read |
| 07:50.14 | ambrose | I saw that gentoo has a separate makefile for using ccache... is there such a thing for debian and/or make-kpkg? |
| 07:50.16 | nkuttler | en1gma: you can even only read man make-kpkg |
| 07:50.24 | SimonRaven | close_to_debian: /lastlog close_to_debian |
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| 07:50.38 | nkuttler | en1gma: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 07:50.40 | SimonRaven | or /lastlog SimonRaven |
| 07:50.40 | en1gma | i dont have man installed |
| 07:50.56 | nkuttler | en1gma: hm, i don't believe you |
| 07:50.56 | liable | wtf? |
| 07:51.09 | en1gma | /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 07:51.11 | SimonRaven | bullshit. base install installs man |
| 07:51.20 | nkuttler | en1gma: google the freaking man page |
| 07:51.22 | en1gma | i swear to god |
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| 07:51.29 | en1gma | im on pda |
| 07:51.38 | nkuttler | en1gma: _what_ did you install on that pda? |
| 07:51.44 | en1gma | pocket irc |
| 07:51.50 | SimonRaven | nothing useful ;) |
| 07:51.59 | liable | en1gma: on the computer you goose. |
| 07:52.33 | Esin | The PDA in which you are viewing this is capable of nothing. |
| 07:52.38 | en1gma | i did a base install and changed it with apt |
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| 07:52.43 | en1gma | for the love of god |
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| 07:52.55 | ambrose | you should install man-db if you want content for your man program :-) |
| 07:52.59 | ambrose | as I found out the hard way |
| 07:52.59 | en1gma | where is my .deb |
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| 07:53.25 | en1gma | make-kpkg puts it where |
| 07:53.28 | nkuttler | en1gma: did you read the install guide? |
| 07:53.35 | nkuttler | en1gma: make-kpkg puts it in .. |
| 07:53.43 | SimonRaven | FFS we answered that 3 times already |
| 07:53.45 | en1gma | jesus |
| 07:53.50 | nkuttler | en1gma: _if_ your command is correct |
| 07:53.53 | SimonRaven | yeh, exactly |
| 07:53.54 | Esin | WTF how the heck do I kill dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ctrl-c is not working |
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| 07:54.05 | en1gma | where |
| 07:54.06 | liable | en1gma: if you didnt type the right command you dont fucking get a .deb |
| 07:54.09 | ambrose | en1gma, .. is not a misspelled ellipsis |
| 07:54.11 | SimonRaven | Esin: try esc-esc |
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| 07:54.22 | ambrose | en1gma, .. is the parent directory of the current directory |
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| 07:54.31 | en1gma | i seen it make everything |
| 07:54.33 | Esin | well that was fun |
| 07:54.46 | SimonRaven | go read some basic *nix command handbook. ffs.... |
| 07:54.46 | en1gma | no parent dir |
| 07:54.56 | nkuttler | en1gma: wtf? |
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| 07:55.07 | ambrose | en1gma, you unpacked the kernel sources in the top-level root directory? |
| 07:55.10 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
| 07:55.16 | en1gma | ./usr/src/nux |
| 07:55.18 | pewp | do the stock debian kernels come with selinux compiled in? |
| 07:55.28 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 07:55.34 | pewp | even the 2.4.27 ? |
| 07:55.43 | SimonRaven | good question |
| 07:55.54 | nkuttler | pewp: was selinux in the kernel tree in 2.4? |
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| 07:56.02 | pewp | there was a port for it |
| 07:56.09 | pewp | written originally for earlier 2.4 |
| 07:56.11 | SimonRaven | only as a patch IIRC |
| 07:56.14 | pewp | yea |
| 07:56.35 | pewp | i need to harden debian down a bit |
| 07:56.43 | mtretin | anyone know why I only get a black screen which says "no picture" after installing teh vlc-mozilla plugin and trying to watch a quicktime movie on the web |
| 07:57.26 | cyzie | mmm..my sYstem using a lot of swap space. is it good ? |
| 07:57.43 | Esin | lol |
| 07:58.06 | liable | cyzie: check top and see whats eating all your memory |
| 07:58.10 | Esin | Probably not |
| 07:58.37 | Esin | How much memory do you have? |
| 07:58.50 | cyzie | a lto of processes :D |
| 07:58.57 | cyzie | i think overloaded my sYstem |
| 07:58.58 | cyzie | hehe |
| 07:59.06 | cyzie | 512MB |
| 07:59.06 | cyzie | hehe |
| 08:00.13 | Esin | I've been loading my system I've never seen it go over 500mb And I have 1.1 gb oh well |
| 08:01.01 | innodonni | Esin: try running half-life 2 on wine... |
| 08:01.10 | Esin | Can't! |
| 08:01.29 | innodonni | ;) |
| 08:01.55 | cyzie | i will feed her 2GB of ram soon :D |
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| 08:02.58 | cyzie | if i change my memory module, anything i should change on debian ? |
| 08:03.21 | Guerin | cyzie: no |
| 08:03.23 | SimonRaven | at 2 gb ram, enabling HIGHMEM |
| 08:03.44 | cyzie | SimonRaven, enabling highmem ? dont undersatnd. explain to me pleasE? |
| 08:03.50 | innodonni | I thought HIGHMEM was for 4GB |
| 08:03.53 | Guerin | 4G highmem is in debian kernels already |
| 08:03.59 | SimonRaven | kernel rebuild |
| 08:04.13 | SimonRaven | oh ok. so they enable it by default |
| 08:04.17 | Esin | 4gb is the highest for the first level of high mem |
| 08:04.23 | Esin | I think |
| 08:04.32 | Esin | *shuts up* |
| 08:04.37 | SimonRaven | well it was 1 in 2.4 |
| 08:04.37 | aeronadix | menuconfig shows I have Quickcam BW Video For Linux & QuickCam Colour Video For Linux (EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 08:04.37 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 08:04.46 | Guerin | there are two options in kernel config |
| 08:04.49 | innodonni | yeah...sure |
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| 08:05.57 | cyzie | so do i need to change anything for 512MB ram to 2048MB of ram ? |
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| 08:06.50 | aeronadix | what stuff can I get rid of in menu config to make it faster |
| 08:06.57 | Guerin | cyzie: boot and see |
| 08:07.18 | Guerin | cyzie: but almost certainly not if you're using a modern debian kernel |
| 08:07.25 | SimonRaven | for x86: CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y; # CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set; # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set |
| 08:07.29 | Esin | While we're on obscure kernel options, what is the result of changing the kernel frequency or whatever ? |
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| 08:08.04 | innodonni | I wondered that too |
| 08:08.07 | cyzie | Guerin, SimonRaven my kernel is 2.6.8 |
| 08:08.11 | SimonRaven | for ppc32: # CONFIG_HIGHMEM is not set |
| 08:08.15 | Guerin | $ grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 08:08.16 | Guerin | # CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set |
| 08:08.16 | Guerin | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 08:08.45 | close_to_debian | SimonRaven: i get unknown command lastlog |
| 08:09.03 | Guerin | close_to_debian: get a real irc client |
| 08:09.05 | streuner | in your irc-client |
| 08:09.09 | cyzie | Guerin, kernel 2.6.x has 4GB |
| 08:09.16 | streuner | close_to_debian: what irc-client do you use? |
| 08:09.25 | cyzie | grep -i highmem /boot/config-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 08:09.25 | cyzie | # CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set |
| 08:09.26 | cyzie | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 08:09.45 | SimonRaven | close_to_debian: in your irc client |
| 08:10.08 | SimonRaven | FYI, this was just an example of what there was, not a pissing contest |
| 08:10.16 | Esin | Error: Cannot resolve matching ip library |
| 08:11.16 | Esin | I'm reading my laptop screen with it all the way down |
| 08:12.23 | close_to_debian | SimonRaven: ksirc |
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| 08:12.57 | freebse | hi does someone have a nice link to a "easy" kernel update how-to on 2.4.27 to 2.6.13 - debian testing, before I tell the guy to go kernel.org, thx a lot |
| 08:13.42 | aeronadix | so I should get rid of extra video cards from the kernel, change them from M to nothing |
| 08:13.59 | Eclipser | aeronadix, why? |
| 08:14.01 | Esin | apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 08:14.06 | SimonRaven | close_to_debian: only in experimental. /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 08:14.31 | hammerabi | freebse: what part is confusing you? |
| 08:14.44 | SimonRaven | thinking |
| 08:14.51 | aeronadix | Eclipser, To make the kernel faster |
| 08:15.09 | doleyb | aeronadix: it will _compile_ faster, but not run really better |
| 08:15.18 | Eclipser | aeronadix, modules have no impact on speed if they're not loaded |
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| 08:16.03 | aeronadix | what things from a standard kernel can I get rid of to make it faster? |
| 08:16.20 | streuner | aeronadix: at boot-time? |
| 08:16.25 | Esin | aaaaaaaaaaaand it's kernel recompile time |
| 08:16.36 | Esin | G'nite guys |
| 08:16.40 | hammerabi | aeronadix: in what way is your system too slow? |
| 08:16.56 | Esin | I won't be back for a while whilst configuring a bloody kernel |
| 08:17.28 | aeronadix | hammerabi, its not slow |
| 08:17.28 | streuner | aeronadix: the easiest way is to get more RAM |
| 08:17.42 | hammerabi | aeronadix: so why are you trying to strip down your kernel? |
| 08:17.45 | Esin | woot |
| 08:17.55 | freebse | hammerabi: there is nothing confusing me, but a client needs to update, since hal, udev etc are loaded by default even eith 2.4.27 there schould not been a problem with the kernel image, but I need to tell the guy how to get sound working etc... |
| 08:18.03 | aeronadix | well, I am trying to add more drivers, from source |
| 08:18.23 | hammerabi | aeronadix: why would you compile a new kernel for that? |
| 08:18.35 | hammerabi | freebse: someone is paying you to tell them how to update their kernel? |
| 08:18.50 | liable | must be kernel day today.. |
| 08:18.52 | hammerabi | freebse: or to fix some mess with udev? or sound? |
| 08:18.57 | cheal | freebse: 2.6.13 never reached testing |
| 08:19.30 | freebse | hammerabi: ya, and if there are problems I need to drive there nd off course I want to avoid this :) |
| 08:19.47 | D3vIN | does anyone have a etch sources.list i can bum? |
| 08:19.50 | freebse | cheal: ya, I don't care he wants it to be installed |
| 08:19.58 | hammerabi | D3vIN: apt-setup will generate it for you |
| 08:19.59 | Guerin | D3vIN: apt-setup does |
| 08:20.03 | hammerabi | freebse: why 2.6.13? |
| 08:20.21 | netman1 | [OT sed] How do I replace (bunch of characters)(bunch of numerics)$ by (first bunch of characters found) (space) (bunch of numerics fount)? Already know sed -e 's/search/replacement/g'. |
| 08:21.00 | freebse | hammerabi: I don't know, I am just doing what I have been told, i don't get paied to think :) |
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| 08:21.39 | hammerabi | freebse: installing out of date kernels can be a security risk |
| 08:21.40 | nkuttler | netman1: does it have to be sed? |
| 08:21.53 | netman1 | nkuttler: only in a shell |
| 08:22.05 | FlopsyPete | I'm giong to setup a time server. the book I have and various webs ites say to install ntp-simple and ntp-server. why would they suggest both when each of them depends on the other? seems like you only ever need to just install ntp-simple to me |
| 08:22.26 | freebse | hammerabi: actually I am responsible for a freebsd server... sometimes dudes from research need assistance with their debian boxes that is all, maybe they need it somehow |
| 08:22.27 | nkuttler | netman1: something like perl -pe 's#()()#$1 $2#' |
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| 08:22.43 | freebse | hammerabi: ya I know |
| 08:23.06 | netman1 | nkuttler: didn't know perl does commandline stuff too. I'll try it. Thanks. |
| 08:23.10 | D3vIN | Guerin the thing is. i deleted everything in my sources.list wont i need something in there to run apt-setup ?? |
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| 08:23.32 | freebse | hammerabi: thx anyway, I gonna drive there, and install it myself |
| 08:23.35 | Guerin | D3vIN: why haven't you tried yet? |
| 08:23.42 | Guerin | instead of asking stupid questions |
| 08:23.45 | litb | i have two questions. the first: |
| 08:23.51 | hammerabi | freebse: ok...it's perfectly possible to do it remotely if you're careful, though |
| 08:24.06 | litb | where can i find a quick and dirty howto to create a .deb file ? |
| 08:24.13 | D3vIN | Guerin i did try it first, it saif command not found |
| 08:24.14 | hammerabi | litb: of what? |
| 08:24.15 | freebse | hammerabi: no it is not,m this boxes are not on a network, for a reason |
| 08:24.24 | litb | how equivs-build it does, but only with real files in it? |
| 08:24.35 | litb | of a program |
| 08:24.40 | hammerabi | freebse: hah |
| 08:24.44 | litb | it doesn't need to be portable |
| 08:24.47 | litb | just for x86 |
| 08:24.49 | hammerabi | litb: and the program is...? |
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| 08:24.58 | Guerin | D3vIN: it should be installed by default |
| 08:25.01 | litb | and only one, or two executables and a manpage |
| 08:25.04 | Guerin | D3vIN: deb http://ftp.kr.debian.org/debian/ testing main has it |
| 08:25.11 | freebse | hammerabi: stupid idiots I am working for :) |
| 08:25.23 | Guerin | litb: checkinstall |
| 08:25.31 | streuner | !lart freebse |
| 08:25.36 | Guerin | litb: or do it properly with dh_make and eo on |
| 08:25.52 | freebse | streuner: well ya excuse me |
| 08:26.08 | litb | Guerin, thx |
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| 08:26.41 | litb | my second question: i have added this to sources.list: deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0/ ./ |
| 08:26.51 | litb | and executed apt-get update |
| 08:27.10 | litb | when i execute apt-get upgrade, or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:27.21 | litb | apt-get doesn't update my KDE from KDE 3.4.1 |
| 08:27.24 | litb | what do i wrong? |
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| 08:27.39 | nkuttler | litb: i guess that whereever you found that source line are instructions to install it |
| 08:28.08 | litb | yes, it says exactly that what i executed |
| 08:28.10 | Guerin | litb: #debian-kde |
| 08:28.13 | litb | but it doesn't work :( |
| 08:28.27 | streuner | freebse: keep in mind, you earn your money _with_ those people |
| 08:28.29 | litb | join #debian-kde |
| 08:28.36 | litb | oups :) |
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| 08:30.36 | netman1 | nkuttler: indeb026:~# mount | grep removed |
| 08:30.36 | netman1 | /dev/hda6 on /dummy-to-be-removed type ext3 (rw) |
| 08:30.36 | netman1 | indeb026:~# mount | grep removed | awk '{printf("%s\n",$1)}' | perl -pe 's#()([0-9]+)#$1 $2#' |
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| 08:30.48 | hume | hi....is there a program for easily viewing the size of files? need to monitor and manage directory sizes and identify large files |
| 08:31.01 | hammerabi | ls -lhS dir | head |
| 08:31.02 | netman1 | nkuttler : Works like a charm ;-) |
| 08:31.13 | hume | graphical program i mean.... |
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| 08:31.26 | pascal_deb | hi all |
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| 08:31.43 | pascal_deb | i've got a problem, i can't mount my root partition |
| 08:31.46 | nkuttler | netman1: hm, are you sure? i would have thought () matches nothing |
| 08:31.53 | pascal_deb | here it's explainded : http://pastebin.com/486919 |
| 08:31.58 | pascal_deb | any idea why ? |
| 08:32.29 | netman1 | nkuttler: result : "/dev/hda 6" |
| 08:33.04 | Guerin | pascal_deb: I'd say because # |
| 08:33.04 | Guerin | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda4, |
| 08:33.04 | Guerin | # |
| 08:33.04 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:33.14 | hammerabi | isn't hda4 an extended partition there? |
| 08:33.17 | hammerabi | also, file -s /dev/hda4 |
| 08:33.17 | nkuttler | hehe |
| 08:33.25 | tijn | HAPPY 2006! |
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| 08:34.03 | pascal_deb | ile -s /dev/hda4 /dev/hda4: Linux rev 33554945.512 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) |
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| 08:34.17 | nkuttler | !pal Guerin |
| 08:34.31 | Guerin | !lose me |
| 08:34.31 | dpkg | guerin: You Lose. |
| 08:34.41 | sciboy | WTF? "xserver-xorg: Conflicts: nvidia-glx (<= 1.0.7174-4) but 1.0.7174-4 is to be installed |
| 08:34.42 | sciboy | " |
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| 08:35.00 | hammerabi | welcome to unstable! |
| 08:35.09 | pascal_deb | so, it's an ext3 filesystem |
| 08:35.12 | Guerin | sciboy: nvidia sucks, amazingly |
| 08:35.17 | henk | Hi, A box that i control that does masquerading for an internal network is showing some strange packets comming from a local-net address . Almost the intire upstream bandwidth is filled with 'non-ip' packets (100kb/sec) from this ip. iptraf says these are of type "GRE". What could this be? |
| 08:35.18 | sciboy | ... Now why the hell would it conflict? |
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| 08:35.32 | hammerabi | perhaps the files were moved around |
| 08:35.34 | Guerin | sciboy: because it doesn't work, perhaps? |
| 08:35.34 | sciboy | Guerin, No, xserver-xorg does. |
| 08:35.37 | hammerabi | or the abi changed |
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| 08:35.41 | sciboy | Guerin, It's working right now. |
| 08:35.49 | Guerin | sciboy: no, nvidia most definitely does. xorg is fine. |
| 08:35.52 | sciboy | Guerin, dpkg --force-all and no problems. |
| 08:35.54 | streuner | sciboy: that happend the last upgrade of xorg too... |
| 08:35.59 | Guerin | sciboy: file a bug. |
| 08:36.00 | daxalco | how do I start a second instance of X? |
| 08:36.00 | sciboy | Guerin, Just now apt doesn't like me. |
| 08:36.07 | Guerin | sciboy: man equivs |
| 08:36.08 | hammerabi | sciboy: does the changelog really not mention it at all? |
| 08:36.15 | hammerabi | daxalco: startx -- :1 |
| 08:36.25 | Guerin | !nvidiasmite sciboy |
| 08:36.33 | daxalco | I was so close. Thanks hammerabi =) |
| 08:36.42 | pascal_deb | so, what can I do ? |
| 08:36.43 | Guerin | sciboy: they're well known for it. |
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| 08:37.05 | sciboy | Guerin, But that's irrelevant right now. |
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| 08:37.19 | streuner | sciboy: did you look at the blog of gravity yet? |
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| 08:37.29 | Cale | I'm getting a relocation error with libpng12.so.0 when running pngcrush with current Debian packages for both pngcrush and libpng12-0 |
| 08:37.45 | Cale | pngcrush: relocation error: pngcrush: symbol png_read_data, version PNG12_0 not defined in file libpng12.so.0 with link time reference |
| 08:38.01 | Cale | any ideas? |
| 08:38.15 | Guerin | sciboy: nope. The depends and conflicts and so on are set on the presumption that nvidia WILL break the ABI, which they routinely do. |
| 08:38.27 | Guerin | sciboy: if it happens to be untrue once, file a bug. |
| 08:38.37 | Guerin | Cale: BTS |
| 08:39.07 | Cale | Guerin: hm? |
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| 08:39.19 | Guerin | !bts |
| 08:39.19 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 08:39.23 | Cale | ah |
| 08:40.29 | Cale | hm, okay, the bug is already mentioned there |
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| 08:41.20 | streuner | sciboy: http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/ |
| 08:41.28 | Cale | so it seems pngcrush is just completely broken for now. |
| 08:42.07 | sciboy | streuner, What would i be looking for in there? |
| 08:42.35 | streuner | sciboy: nvidia? well, the problem was in july the same |
| 08:42.51 | Guerin | sciboy: we're not going to do it for you |
| 08:42.57 | Guerin | please clean before returning |
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| 08:43.18 | sTone_heAd | is there's any other option than -d -f for dhcpd debugging? I'm trying to figure out why one client isn't being assigned an IP address |
| 08:43.36 | sTone_heAd | actually -d -f doesn't give me much information :/ |
| 08:43.54 | aeronadix | how do I install or load, sources, /usr/src/modules/* |
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| 08:46.24 | z1t0un3 | pliz hlep me for xchat :) |
| 08:46.56 | streuner | z1t0un3: are you using debian? (just ask then) |
| 08:47.01 | z1t0un3 | yes |
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| 08:47.30 | z1t0un3 | not list useur |
| 08:47.37 | z1t0un3 | chat |
| 08:47.53 | streuner | !fr |
| 08:47.53 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 08:47.58 | z1t0un3 | ;à |
| 08:47.58 | Paivakil | z1t0un3: what is the problem? |
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| 08:48.48 | linar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:48.59 | cheal | Guerin: the Conflicts sciboy is referring to is X.org's part of the fix for #338715 |
| 08:49.07 | linar | im runing 2.6.14-2-em64t-p4-smp, could it be that the 64bit repositories are not updated yet? |
| 08:49.10 | z1t0un3 | my problem is not list useur |
| 08:49.15 | streuner | dpkg, dbugs 338715 |
| 08:49.19 | dpkg | DONE:#338715:S[xserver-xorg] xserver-xorg: file conflict with nvidia-glx; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:18:14 UTC |
| 08:49.24 | z1t0un3 | in xchat |
| 08:49.54 | Paivakil | z1t0un3: xchat does not list users? try saying /names <channel> |
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| 08:50.00 | streuner | that bug is old |
| 08:50.22 | z1t0un3 | no is not list in left |
| 08:50.26 | cheal | streuner: not much. nvidia-glx 7174 didn't divert libglx.so but x.org 6.8 didn't conflict with it |
| 08:50.28 | streuner | xorg is upgrated to 6.9 already |
| 08:50.38 | streuner | unstable has 6.9 |
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| 08:51.11 | streuner | so 'sciboy' might use testing then... |
| 08:51.19 | z1t0un3 | Paivakil |
| 08:51.24 | z1t0un3 | look pic |
| 08:51.25 | z1t0un3 | http://www.xchat.org/files/screenshots/xchat_screen_1.png |
| 08:51.34 | z1t0un3 | in left list users |
| 08:51.37 | z1t0un3 | me no |
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| 08:52.13 | Paivakil | z1t0un3: what did you [mis]configure for xchat? |
| 08:52.21 | cheal | streuner: the Conflicts sciboy refers to is a part of the fix for the the bug. this conflict has to be kept until etch releases since the problematic nvidia-glx is in sarge |
| 08:52.33 | z1t0un3 | no say |
| 08:53.05 | noiesmo | hey I have a stable install and cannot recompile kernel have installed all recommend packages but it errors out have also tried two diff linux-kernel say errors |
| 08:53.23 | hammerabi | noiesmo: why are you trying to build a new kernel? |
| 08:53.42 | z1t0un3 | Paivakil ;( |
| 08:53.44 | noiesmo | hammerabi, slim line and add bootsplash |
| 08:54.08 | noiesmo | hammerabi, but even if not patch for bootsplash it still errors out |
| 08:54.39 | streuner | cheal: so what do you suggest? |
| 08:54.48 | Paivakil | z1t0un3: read the xchat documentation - there should be something about enabling/disablihg and views, etc; |
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| 08:55.38 | cheal | streuner: sciboy: Guerin, It's working right now. |
| 08:55.43 | cheal | heh |
| 08:55.49 | cheal | sorry if I lost you :) |
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| 08:56.08 | cheal | if I understood right sciboy has no more problems |
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| 08:56.29 | Guerin | no |
| 08:56.29 | tzafrir_laptop | I'm trying to install a local IRC server for my LAN. is there one that actually works without much fiddling? |
| 08:56.32 | Guerin | he has more problems alright |
| 08:56.41 | Guerin | just not necessarily those you;re talking about |
| 08:57.03 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: install a jabberd |
| 08:57.11 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: it works with NO fidding |
| 08:57.25 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: which is a good thing, because the fucking config file is xml evilitude |
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| 08:58.53 | cheal | anyway, thinking about it, I guess the upgrade from 6.8 to 6.9 by users of nvidia-glx may be non-straightforward if you don't have a stock kernel |
| 08:58.59 | streuner | cheal: scroll up, i can't see that he said this... |
| 08:59.04 | aeronadix | http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php, I'm not sure which firmware version to choose |
| 08:59.34 | cheal | streuner: (03:35:44) sciboy: Guerin, It's working right now. (03:35:54) sciboy: Guerin, dpkg --force-all and no problems. |
| 08:59.59 | cheal | you first have to upgrade or uninstall nvidia-glx |
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| 09:00.22 | Guerin | !force-all |
| 09:00.22 | dpkg | force-all means you're working against the packaging system, not with it. Sometimes packages are broken and it's necessary, but almost always it means you're doing something wrong, and are setting yourself up for bigger problems down the line. YOU NEVER NEED TO USE --force-all. EVER. You might think you do, but YOU DO NOT. Don't fucking use it. |
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| 09:01.19 | Irrumator | Anyone use gnumexp here? |
| 09:01.20 | tzafrir_laptop | Guerin, the clients are not as good. And it does not work that well out of the box (either of the two...) |
| 09:01.26 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 09:01.37 | cheal | but nvidia-glx depends on a nvidia kernel module, so you have to use m-a first unless you use one of nvidia-modules-i386 or the recently uploaded nvidia-graphics-modules-i386 |
| 09:01.41 | Guerin | you can use any irc client with jabber |
| 09:02.02 | tzafrir_laptop | to which jabberd do you refer? |
| 09:02.11 | Eno_ | What..? I can connect to jabber servers with my irc client? |
| 09:02.11 | Guerin | i run jabberd |
| 09:02.16 | Guerin | !bitlbee |
| 09:02.16 | dpkg | somebody said bitlbee was an irc to other chat networks gateway, connect to irc, icq, msn, jabber, aim, etc... with your favorite irc client! |
| 09:02.25 | Eno_ | Oh, using bitlbee. |
| 09:02.32 | Eno_ | That's cheating. :) |
| 09:02.40 | Guerin | no, it's not. |
| 09:02.55 | liable | its very handy actually :) |
| 09:03.02 | Eno_ | Hehe, bitlbee is great. |
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| 09:03.47 | aeronadix | I am getting an error kernel compiler different from gcc |
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| 09:04.20 | Guerin | aeronadix: you were told several hours ago that you're too stupid to build your own kernel |
| 09:04.28 | Guerin | now you're finding out why |
| 09:04.31 | aeronadix | I thought that was someone else |
| 09:04.47 | aeronadix | whats your problem |
| 09:05.14 | hammerabi | aeronadix: weren't you trying to build a driver? |
| 09:05.15 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 09:05.15 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
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| 09:05.36 | Guerin | aeronadix: don't feel bad, you're in plenty of company. |
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| 09:05.54 | zuru | is there a version of debian kernel that has support for bootsplash? i want to avoid patching. |
| 09:06.07 | aeronadix | hammerabi: I'm trying to build kernels or add modules |
| 09:06.07 | liable | !info splashy |
| 09:06.20 | hammerabi | aeronadix: how is that an "or"? what is your immediate goal? |
| 09:06.28 | Guerin | !splashy |
| 09:06.28 | dpkg | splashy is, like, a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in experimental but works in sarge all right. |
| 09:07.10 | zuru | liable, Guerin: thks |
| 09:07.14 | aeronadix | hammerabi, install the webcam module |
| 09:07.30 | aeronadix | hammerabi, understand this kernel and module stuff |
| 09:07.31 | hammerabi | aeronadix: why are you compiling a kernel then? |
| 09:07.33 | cheal | Ging is a recursive acronym that stands for Ging Is Not Ging. |
| 09:07.33 | cheal | muahahaha |
| 09:07.38 | aeronadix | hammerabi, I was told to |
| 09:07.40 | hammerabi | aeronadix: you could have got this driver working 10 hours ago |
| 09:07.43 | hammerabi | aeronadix: by who? |
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| 09:08.10 | aeronadix | Geurin |
| 09:08.16 | aeronadix | and Coke |
| 09:08.23 | liable | aeronadix: place all your money in my bank account please |
| 09:08.34 | aeronadix | $5? |
| 09:09.01 | doleyb | aeronadix: what driver are you even trying to add? |
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| 09:09.57 | Guerin | MRAASTM is a recursive acronym for Meaningless Recursive Acronyms Are As Stupid As MRAASTM |
| 09:10.08 | zuru | how to look at the message source info of evolution email? can't find any choice for it in the menu. have i missed something? |
| 09:10.20 | Guerin | aeronadix: i didn't tell you to compile a kernel |
| 09:10.33 | Guerin | aeronadix: I explicityly told you to NOT compile a fucking kernel |
| 09:10.38 | Banerok | Hey, i get some cant find message with /dev/initctl when using command shutdown now |
| 09:10.52 | bibe | zuru : View -> Message Display -> Show Email Source |
| 09:11.22 | aeronadix | the module I have is in source, so I cd /usr/src and unpacked it which made directory /usr/src/modules/qc-usb-source, then I ran ./quickcam.sh, and go tthe error about kernel compiler and gcc, which is on #flood |
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| 09:11.42 | zuru | bibe: thanks a lot. i really miss that one. |
| 09:11.49 | bibe | zuru : no problem |
| 09:12.15 | zuru | Guerin: where do you get all those recursive acronyms? |
| 09:12.28 | bibe | aeronadix : I didn't get the error, but do you have at least build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) installed? |
| 09:12.38 | Guerin | zuru: like most people, i just make up random shit and then convince myself that it's funny |
| 09:12.44 | aeronadix | bibe, yes |
| 09:13.25 | zuru | Guerin: yeh, you are a funny bunny. |
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| 09:13.44 | zuru | i am trying to be recursive. |
| 09:13.47 | zuru | bye. |
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| 09:14.36 | Guerin | is there a config frob I can use to make the mutt pager render html at a basic level - or to use the mutt pager by default, but easily switch to a html-capable pager? |
| 09:14.40 | Guerin | i know this is offtopic |
| 09:14.52 | Guerin | but i figured it was my turn |
| 09:16.05 | Guerin | basically I just want to to strip out tags, render line breaks and show urls |
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| 09:16.25 | aeronadix | I did export CC=kgcc, how do I undue it? |
| 09:16.39 | GregorR-L | aeronadix: unset CC |
| 09:16.43 | Guerin | aeronadix: export CC=imafucktard |
| 09:17.09 | xored | where are the "sessions" of kde/xfce saved ? they are not deleted anmore, so my list is endless. I would like to do it manually |
| 09:17.21 | aeronadix | Guerin: you are fuckin loser |
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| 09:17.41 | litb | dh-make is for source packages only |
| 09:17.46 | GregorR-L | Guerin: export QUICKEST_WAY_TO_LOSE_NEW_USERS=answer_questions_with_insults |
| 09:17.48 | UncleD | Should I be able to load the debian sarge install cd using vmware? |
| 09:17.58 | litb | i'm looking for a tool wich is capable to create a bin package |
| 09:18.10 | aeronadix | GregorR-L, thanks |
| 09:18.25 | Guerin | GregorR-L: export HE_WAS_TOLD_THIS_WAS=too_fucking_hard_for_him_about_four_hours_ago |
| 09:18.40 | tzafrir_laptop | Guerin, pine has been doing this for a long time now |
| 09:18.50 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: pine is shit, though |
| 09:18.51 | nkuttler | aeronadix: /help ignore |
| 09:19.17 | Guerin | aeronadix: the information you seek is all in the howto you were given to read, in any case |
| 09:19.21 | GregorR-L | litb: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide |
| 09:19.26 | Guerin | and in the kernel documentation |
| 09:19.40 | tzafrir_laptop | Guerin, poor-man's substitute: display HTML parts in lynx :-( |
| 09:20.02 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: yeah, that's what I do now |
| 09:20.05 | litb | yes, GregorR-L thx |
| 09:20.11 | litb | this seems to be a good docu |
| 09:20.22 | GregorR-L | It's a must-read :) |
| 09:20.27 | UncleD | Can vmware load the Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 "Sarge" - Official i386 Binary-1 CD ? |
| 09:21.01 | Guerin | UncleD: ask #vmware |
| 09:21.32 | doleyb | UncleD: ubuntu is similar to debian, so look http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/ubuntu.html |
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| 09:25.26 | freedom | http://infowars.com/images2/daily/mouse_brain.jpg <- this is where we're headed as a race -- total human enslavement!, unless we get off the couch and get educated. |
| 09:25.44 | Guerin | freedom: so fuck off and educate yourself |
| 09:26.07 | donfilipo | hi can i get some quick help here? |
| 09:26.22 | Guerin | !ask-to-ask |
| 09:26.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, ask-to-ask is Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol |
| 09:26.22 | Paivakil | donfilipo: not likely. you have to ask first |
| 09:28.16 | johnsu01 | Any ideas why my bluetooth connection is refused every time I try it after pairing? I can successfully pair with the device, and use GPRS. But after disconnecting, if I try to reconnect, the connection is refused until I unpair and re-pair. |
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| 09:28.38 | johnsu01 | I have tried removing all the key info in /var/lib/bluetooth |
| 09:28.39 | donfilipo | well i used synaptic yesterday to renew my packages then chose in one option the free x server and now i can't get my x server working...any fast cure? |
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| 09:29.00 | freedom | xsdg: consider this a responce |
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| 09:29.17 | johnsu01 | And at one time, this worked with this system, dongle, and phone. I have removed and reinstalled bluez-utils, but still no luck. |
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| 09:29.56 | GregorR-L | It's too bad freedom hasn't educated himself enough to be able to spell response. |
| 09:30.45 | donfilipo | i know there are commands to configure the whole machine from command mode again but i forgot them |
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| 09:31.04 | nkuttler | donfilipo: configure what? |
| 09:31.26 | donfilipo | graphics x server you know resolution monitor and so on |
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| 09:31.36 | nkuttler | !drxx donfilipo |
| 09:31.37 | dpkg | donfilipo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 09:33.15 | donfilipo | it seems i reconfigured the wrong x server cause there are two of them and now i can+t get my x server working...not by habd i just upgraded with synaptic |
| 09:33.20 | aeronadix | Guerin, why don't you just give a little explanation of installing kernels and kernel modules, in .tar format if you so smart |
| 09:33.49 | Guerin | aeronadix: i can do it in two words |
| 09:33.54 | Guerin | aeronadix: man make-kpkg |
| 09:33.57 | Guerin | sorry |
| 09:33.58 | Guerin | three words |
| 09:34.43 | liable | aeronadix: theres a great old howto for compiling debian kernels (osnews) look it up. |
| 09:35.35 | Guerin | liable: i think he was sent there |
| 09:35.35 | aeronadix | man, I am not trying to compile a kernel, and am just trying to compile and install kernel modules |
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| 09:35.48 | Guerin | aeronadix: the principle is the same |
| 09:35.49 | nkuttler | donfilipo: hm? there are two what? |
| 09:36.04 | donfilipo | how do you choose between x servers? (free x server and x server?( |
| 09:36.10 | aeronadix | Guerin, what the difference? |
| 09:36.22 | nkuttler | aeronadix: read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.modules |
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| 09:36.48 | liable | aeronadix: well, modules are generally as easy as issuing make and make install |
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| 09:37.29 | nkuttler | donfilipo: you seem to be confused... how did you install a second xserver? |
| 09:37.29 | liable | once you have headers of course.. (and have read the readme/install) |
| 09:37.33 | xsdg | liable: modules_install? |
| 09:37.50 | aeronadix | nkuttler, thanks |
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| 09:38.25 | liable | xsdg: the few extra i have had to make, i just made with make and make install.. |
| 09:38.27 | firecracker | Morning guys, im searching for a good sources.list howto one that contains restriced and non-free stuff, and help would be much appreciated, this is the first time I have tried debain. Thanks |
| 09:38.35 | nkuttler | aeronadix: 08:42 < nkuttler> aeronadix: you read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/* |
| 09:39.10 | donfilipo | i have no idea.. i used to think i am usinf thid free x servee and i just upgraded yeszerday and in one option i choosed the the free x server and now i get the message x server has an errrot and the KDE does not start |
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| 09:39.22 | doleyb | !tell firecracker about marillat |
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| 09:39.41 | nkuttler | donfilipo: no offense, but can you try to write correct english? |
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| 09:39.46 | Guerin | aeronadix: the difference is that you just build the modules, not the whole kernel |
| 09:39.48 | tynony | : |
| 09:40.01 | xsdg | liable: I think `make install` tries to stick the kernel somewhere as well |
| 09:40.23 | firecracker | doleyb, thanks |
| 09:40.26 | Guerin | liable: yeah, don't be talking about make install |
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| 09:40.56 | liable | eh? x2 |
| 09:41.50 | Guerin | yay |
| 09:41.54 | Guerin | auto_view text/* |
| 09:42.16 | liable | xsdg: i have no idea what you are talking about |
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| 09:42.57 | xsdg | liable: for the kernel |
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| 09:43.19 | donfilipo | shure so: i upgraded debian with synaptic...it downloaded a bunch of files and then it does everything by itself...it only let me choose one option (upgrade x-server or freex-org server) and that probably caused the havoc...i can't get my desktop runing now... and i am not shure anymore wich x server to repair |
| 09:43.31 | xsdg | liable: (that is, the difference between `make modules_install` and `make install`) |
| 09:43.43 | Guerin | donfilipo: what branch of debian are you running? |
| 09:43.52 | nkuttler | donfilipo: hm, what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 09:44.25 | liable | xsdg: i am talking about making seperate modules from the kernel.. (not included in the original source) |
| 09:44.25 | donfilipo | i think it is called sarge ...ordinary debian |
| 09:44.34 | xsdg | liable: aah, my bad |
| 09:44.51 | nkuttler | donfilipo: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood |
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| 09:45.33 | Guerin | !what am i running |
| 09:45.33 | dpkg | What? You don't know what branch of what OS you're running? To find out, compare the output of dpkg -l libc6; cat /etc/debian_version; apt-cache policy; with known versions, such as are to be found on packages.debian.org. |
| 09:46.06 | aeronadix | The VendorId should be 0x046D and ProductId one of 0x0840, 0x0850, or 0x0870 or the camera definitely is not supported by this driver.Bus 002 Device 003: ID 046d:d001 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Pro |
| 09:46.28 | aeronadix | d001, so its not supported by this driver anyway eh? |
| 09:47.14 | donfilipo | i now it is sarge the problem nkuttler is i can not paste now causse i am getting help from windows cause my debian is half dead |
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| 09:48.21 | donfilipo | ok now i will try this dpkg thing and then we will see |
| 09:48.37 | nkuttler | donfilipo: half dead? |
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| 09:49.58 | donfilipo | well i am used on x-server you see 95% of the people are spoiled with windows and dumm about computers so when KDE doesn't work /or gnome) we are lost |
| 09:50.22 | nkuttler | what is .si? |
| 09:50.31 | donfilipo | slovenija |
| 09:50.50 | nkuttler | donfilipo: boot debian, apt-get install irssi-text, use that |
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| 09:52.06 | nkuttler | dpkg: si is also slovenia |
| 09:52.06 | dpkg | okay, nkuttler |
| 09:52.33 | liable | or yes in italian :) |
| 09:52.49 | donfilipo | yah internationaly it's called slovenia but localy correct is slovenija with j |
| 09:53.05 | nkuttler | or if in some romanic language |
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| 09:54.21 | UncleD | It seems to me like the vmware ubuntu download is different from ubuntu install and ubuntu live cd |
| 09:54.29 | UncleD | for example, I downloaded debian's install cd, and vmware won't load it |
| 09:54.51 | nkuttler | UncleD: #vmware |
| 09:54.56 | UncleD | ok ok |
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| 09:56.05 | donfilipo | ok thanks for now i am leaving for now and try to bring up my sarge back to live |
| 09:56.05 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:56.06 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 09:58.59 | Shadur | Argh. latest sid nvidia-kernel-source doesn't compile agaings a vanilla kernel tree. |
| 09:59.16 | tarzeau | Shadur: non-free kernel drivers will always suck like that |
| 09:59.33 | UncleD | what is the latest stable debian kernel? |
| 09:59.45 | tarzeau | UncleD: for whcih arch? |
| 09:59.58 | liable | UncleD: in sarge 2.6.8 |
| 10:00.05 | tarzeau | UncleD: something pretty old, if you got new hardware, build your own |
| 10:00.26 | UncleD | is ubuntu more recent? |
| 10:00.37 | nkuttler | UncleD: ask #ubuntu |
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| 10:02.50 | ootput | hi guys, can anybody recommend a guide for debian-etch on lvm2 on raid1 on sata disks? |
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| 10:02.52 | noiesmo | Shadur, have you got kernel-headers match your kernell |
| 10:03.16 | Shadur | noiesmo: I don't have any kernel-headers, I think. Lemme check |
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| 10:03.37 | Shadur | Wait, I do. Hm. |
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| 10:04.41 | ootput | is there a way for me to backup all the downloaded debs, and use them later for future debian installations? |
| 10:04.42 | noiesmo | Shadur, i normally install kernel-headers then download nvidia driver from nvidia.com then kill x manager and in console run nv driver and latest one edit xf86config |
| 10:05.21 | vosti | ootput, copy /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 10:05.30 | Shadur | noiesmo: So far the nvidia-kernel-source package has done a really good job of it. |
| 10:05.49 | nkuttler | ootput: run an apt-proxy? |
| 10:06.06 | noiesmo | Shadur, dont know sorry i do it my way haha |
| 10:06.09 | netman1 | Hi All. cfdisk shows a column 'Label' with the mountpoint(?) or how it is to be used. How do you use and/or 'edit' this field? |
| 10:06.25 | noiesmo | netman1, man cfdisk |
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| 10:07.17 | netman1 | noiesmoi: /label Pattern not found. |
| 10:07.19 | ootput | vosti: will i be able to mount a partition (as /var/cache/apt/archives) and use that during install? |
| 10:08.52 | ootput | nkuttler: i currently only have one box with debian. the second box contains a bsd. will i be able to setup an apt-proxy on the bsd server? |
| 10:08.58 | vosti | ootput, if you don't overwrite that partition i think yes |
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| 10:09.31 | LiGhTeNiN | if I install debian woody, the bootloader wont recognize win? |
| 10:10.06 | Shadur | LiGhTeNiN: It should, but woody's kind of outdated and it shows especially in the installer. |
| 10:10.30 | nkuttler | ootput: hm... i guess it's much easier to run the proxy on a debian box |
| 10:10.45 | noiesmo | LiGhTeNiN, using grub or lilo |
| 10:10.57 | nkuttler | ootput: of course the source for everything is available |
| 10:11.28 | LiGhTeNiN | noiesmo: not using anything yet, I planning to install woody with netinst and then upgrade to unstable |
| 10:11.40 | LiGhTeNiN | I havent netinstalled before |
| 10:12.11 | noiesmo | LiGhTeNiN, grub should reognize ur win and add it to menu.1st |
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| 10:12.28 | vosti | somone had some problem with keyboard layout updating xorg 6.9? on unstable...i lost some keys .. |
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| 10:13.13 | noiesmo | LiGhTeNiN, when installer ask about partitioning do it manually and dont touch the win opart |
| 10:13.25 | nkuttler | vosti: altgr? |
| 10:13.37 | Irenic | Greetings... |
| 10:13.43 | vosti | nkuttler, yes |
| 10:13.56 | nkuttler | vosti: fix it and tell us how you did it... or downgrade |
| 10:14.15 | vosti | nkuttler, eheh |
| 10:14.17 | LiGhTeNiN | noiesmo: btw, linux partition may also be at the end of a hdd, right? |
| 10:14.30 | Irenic | I have what are probably some stupid questions... |
| 10:14.46 | Irenic | I'm a total newb messing around with Debian for the first time. |
| 10:14.51 | noiesmo | LiGhTeNiN, linux does not need to be first on hd |
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| 10:15.30 | Irenic | Any patient people willing to hear me whine? :) |
| 10:15.32 | noiesmo | LiGhTeNiN, hows the partition done know whats the break up |
| 10:15.43 | vosti | Irenic, just ask |
| 10:15.51 | nkuttler | vosti: hm, yesterday there was another swiss with that problem |
| 10:15.53 | Irenic | Thanks, vosti. |
| 10:15.59 | tarzeau | swiss problems? |
| 10:16.12 | nkuttler | tarzeau: unstable xorg, altgr broken? |
| 10:16.14 | LiGhTeNiN | noiesmo: but how does the netinst work anyway? I set the partitions and stuff first, the the filesystem (probably ext3?) and then start selecting packages to download? |
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| 10:16.18 | FlannelKing | hey guys, if I install debian on a harddrive, and then move that harddrive to another computer (vastly different, hardwarewise) is it going to cause me problems? |
| 10:16.26 | tarzeau | haha, people shouldn't use sid when they can't fix things like that :) |
| 10:16.27 | vosti | nkuttler, tarzeau i think it regard de_CH layout... |
| 10:16.35 | tarzeau | i've got an american keyboard on my xorg kfreebsd |
| 10:16.42 | Irenic | Long story short: I installed SARGE on my PC, installed gnome, but can't get the gui to start from the command line. |
| 10:16.45 | nkuttler | tarzeau: :D |
| 10:16.47 | tarzeau | vosti: yeah that problem also existes with plain xfree on powerpc |
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| 10:16.58 | tarzeau | nkuttler: of course it was a pain to fix it, but it's possible |
| 10:17.05 | Irenic | I installed Sarge from the "small CD image" found on Debian.org |
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| 10:17.26 | Irenic | Or from a CD made from that image, rather. |
| 10:17.38 | liable | Irenic: how did you install gnome? |
| 10:17.43 | Irenic | I've tried "startx" from root, but I caon't get it to start. |
| 10:17.47 | noiesmo | LiGhTeNiN, more or less once you boot it will dhcp or you have to config man then it will ask were to get files from eg cd or http ftp pick ftp then it will install base files reboot and ask what type system u want desktop or server and u go from there |
| 10:17.48 | vosti | tarzeau, i don't want to spend lot of time trying if someone else arleady fix it... |
| 10:17.52 | noiesmo | LiGhTeNiN, more or less |
| 10:17.53 | Irenic | Http, Liable |
| 10:17.58 | tarzeau | vosti: i'd try google |
| 10:18.00 | Coweater | Irenic: what error are you getting? |
| 10:18.02 | tarzeau | vosti: or the mailinglists |
| 10:18.06 | liable | Irenic: the command... |
| 10:18.09 | tarzeau | vosti: or #linux.ch |
| 10:18.10 | Irenic | apt-get install gnome |
| 10:18.16 | tarzeau | vosti: or on #lugs on the other irc network |
| 10:18.20 | Irenic | It just doesn't recognize the command. |
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| 10:18.26 | liable | Irenic: then you need to get x-window-system |
| 10:18.27 | aeronadix | if I do lsmod, and I have a module in their what is the next step in confuring the hardware: quickcam 76612 0 |
| 10:18.27 | aeronadix | videodev 10016 1 quickcam |
| 10:18.36 | vosti | tarzeau, yes..already done but nothing..i'll retry later |
| 10:18.45 | tarzeau | vosti: you fix it then :) |
| 10:18.48 | nkuttler | aeronadix: didn't you say earlier the driver doesn't support your cam? |
| 10:18.53 | Irenic | I need to get x-window-system BEFORE i get gnome? |
| 10:18.57 | liable | Irenic: and dont start it as root, do it as a user.. |
| 10:18.59 | vosti | tarzeau, :) |
| 10:19.01 | noiesmo | aeronadix, install xawtv then run xawtv -hwscan it will show you cam if it works |
| 10:19.03 | Coweater | Irenic: no, just get it |
| 10:19.06 | tarzeau | Irenic: i'd add -core |
| 10:19.09 | liable | Irenic: no, you need both, just get it now |
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| 10:19.39 | Irenic | OK, so as a user I'll type "apt-get install x-window-system-core" ? |
| 10:19.46 | liable | as root |
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| 10:19.50 | Irenic | As root. |
| 10:19.51 | Irenic | OK |
| 10:19.52 | LiGhTeNiN | noiesmo: I have always been using ext3 for my installations, what do you think of reiserfs? |
| 10:19.54 | liable | Irenic: as user startx |
| 10:20.09 | liable | after.. |
| 10:20.11 | Irenic | And after that "startx" should start it. |
| 10:20.23 | Irenic | Excellant. |
| 10:20.30 | Irenic | I really appreciate the info. |
| 10:21.05 | aeronadix | nkuttler, yeah, thats true, I'm waisting my time |
| 10:21.06 | liable | startx as user, not root.. |
| 10:21.33 | Irenic | Understood on the "startx" Thanks! Be well, God bless and happy new year! |
| 10:21.33 | Vlad | anyone here has x installed? |
| 10:21.47 | nkuttler | Vlad: why do you ask? |
| 10:21.56 | Vlad | I need the fonts ^^ |
| 10:22.07 | aeronadix | noiesmo, thanks |
| 10:22.10 | nkuttler | Vlad: the fonts? |
| 10:22.25 | Vlad | --> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts |
| 10:22.27 | nkuttler | Vlad: install x-window-system-core |
| 10:22.47 | Vlad | nah, trying to install diablo 2 server without having X server installed |
| 10:23.01 | donfilipo | hi a have un unknown mouse with scrool wheel wich doesn't work ...wich mouse should i use when i am configuring my x server (dpkg-reconfigure) so that the wheel would work |
| 10:23.11 | Vlad | found a nice little guide and its telling me I need the fonts ^^ |
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| 10:23.29 | nkuttler | Vlad: apt-cache search xfonts... |
| 10:23.39 | Vlad | nkuttler: http://forums.pvpgn.org/index.php/topic,631.0.html |
| 10:23.50 | nkuttler | Vlad: i'm not going to read it |
| 10:24.17 | Vlad | nkuttler: how big is the folder? |
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| 10:26.38 | zuru | splashy is in 'experimental'. i am sarge. how set up to install splashy. |
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| 10:27.56 | omi | Hello all, are there tools for debian to mass upgrade 100 boxes at the same time? |
| 10:28.03 | omi | or install something |
| 10:28.15 | liable | zuru: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/splashy/ |
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| 10:28.21 | johnsu01 | omi: yes, they are called sysadmins ;) |
| 10:28.32 | Eclipser | haha |
| 10:28.35 | omi | hehe |
| 10:28.46 | fireba11 | omi a simple script should do .. |
| 10:28.46 | GregorR-L | This message is really starting to piss me off: W: directnet; Package version 1.0.0-1 is less than 1.0.0rc5-1. |
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| 10:29.08 | omi | fireba11, no. sometimes packages ask something |
| 10:29.23 | LiGhTeNiN | btw, I have forgotten all about linux partitioning, what partitions would you recommend me to create? The whole size is about 5GB |
| 10:29.43 | nkuttler | omi: configure debconf not to ask or rebuild the package as you want it? |
| 10:30.07 | pngwn | LiGhTeNiN, there is documentation on debian.org |
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| 10:30.33 | omi | Assuming I have identical boxes, what I want is to answer the questions only once and those changes to be propogated to other 100 boxes |
| 10:30.39 | Maulkin | omi: You can set debconf to be non-interactive |
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| 10:31.27 | Maulkin | omi: You could copy the debconf database across to the machibes before performing the upgrade. |
| 10:32.28 | omi | What does debconf datebase contain? |
| 10:32.35 | omi | database* |
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| 10:33.31 | nkuttler | omi: look into it |
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| 10:34.12 | zuru | liable: i had been to there. that is y i know it is experimental. i add the repo to me sources.list and do an update. when i try to install, i am stuck with libdirectfb. it can be installed because of dependencies. |
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| 10:34.31 | zuru | i mean it cannot be installed. |
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| 10:35.01 | omi | I think it would be a better idea to have a tool that does this, apt-getd if you will |
| 10:35.04 | nkuttler | zuru: well, it's called experimental for a reason |
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| 10:35.29 | nkuttler | omi: good idea, write it. i would use it :) |
| 10:35.39 | possie | anyone using OTRS 2.0 on debian, i can only find 1.3 package in debian stable |
| 10:36.00 | liable | zuru: just get the deb and install it. |
| 10:36.20 | omi | I started, then stopped, but I think I can justify to resume the work now :( |
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| 10:36.47 | omi | I couldn't find good documentation of how APT works |
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| 10:37.17 | Samzzz | hi |
| 10:37.18 | Samzzz | i want to check if ppp0.pid or ppp1.pid exist is there any way in bash scripting to do that ? |
| 10:37.18 | omi | ie: logic to resolve dependencies |
| 10:37.25 | Maulkin | I may go write that :) |
| 10:37.32 | tonix | hiy guys, i noticed a strange behaviour of swat on debian: swat is configured as inetd service on 901 port, in smb.conf directive hosts allow = 10.88.1. 127.0.0.1 When i point my browser to http://sambaserver:901 the response is: "403 Forbidden |
| 10:37.32 | tonix | Samba is configured to deny access from this client |
| 10:38.09 | tonix | Check your "hosts allow" and "hosts deny" options in smb.conf". if i put the directive hosts deny = some ip in smb.conf swat works well!! where is the problem????! thanks a lot |
| 10:38.43 | ThomasAH | Samzzz: [ -e ppp0.pid -o -e ppp1.pid ] (see 'man test' for details) |
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| 10:39.05 | tonix | the same problem noticed here without solution: http://llistes.bulma.net/pipermail/bulmailing/Week-of-Mon-20051205/074239.html |
| 10:39.06 | Samzzz | okkkkkk thanks man |
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| 10:40.06 | nertoa | what does SetGID mean on a directory? |
| 10:40.09 | ordi666 | i'm having some problem with my debian sarge, can't use the shift, or capslock touch on my keyboard, anybody can help me please |
| 10:40.46 | zuru | laible: ok, i'll download the deb and do a 'dpkg -i', right? |
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| 10:41.47 | ThomasAH | nertoa: new files are created with the group of the directory instead of the primary group of the user |
| 10:42.27 | nertoa | ThomasAH: thank you |
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| 10:45.55 | sifi-z | how do I burn a ISO image with cdrecord? |
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| 10:46.14 | FlopsyPete | I'm trying unsucessfully to get an ntp time server working. my server's ntp.conf has 'server pool.ntp.org' and 'broadcast 10.0.0.255'. my client's ntp.conf has 'server 10.0.0.20'. 'ntpdate 10.0.0.20' reports 'no server suitable for synchronization found'. the server's /var/log/ntpd says 'sendto(10.0.0.0): Bad file descriptor'. any ideas please? |
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| 10:46.55 | kapil | sifi-z: cdrecord <image_file> should work providing your device config file /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord is setup correctly. |
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| 10:47.57 | zuru | liable: installed. got to re-boot to check-out. |
| 10:48.12 | liable | zuru: good luck :) |
| 10:48.24 | zuru | thks to all the help. |
| 10:48.25 | sifi-z | kapil, its default, should I try? |
| 10:48.52 | kapil | sifi-z: try with cdrecord -dummy <image_file> first. |
| 10:49.10 | SeicherlBoB | hi! I got problems using cut to work through an acsii-file i created when greping my /dev/hda6. It wants me to specify a "list of bytes, characters or fields" and i don't know how. I know it's cut -f but i don't know how to set the parameter |
| 10:49.43 | kapil | FlopsyPete: ntpdate will not work if the time difference is outside "sanity limits". |
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| 10:50.03 | ViViD | anyone here using sid with xorg 6.9? |
| 10:50.15 | sifi-z | kapil, cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. |
| 10:50.17 | nkuttler | ViViD: why? |
| 10:51.25 | kapil | sifi-z: i think you can ignore the unsettled issues. are there any other other error messages? |
| 10:51.41 | ViViD | nkuttler, tryin to figure out how to get my 7 button mouse to work again |
| 10:51.42 | LiGhTeNiN | pngwn: well I have 5GB in total for it, 512MB goes for swap |
| 10:51.50 | FlopsyPete | kapil: could a time difference cause ntpdate to give that error message? |
| 10:51.57 | common | i trust in nero4linux |
| 10:52.01 | ViViD | worked fine in 6.8.2, but in 6.9 no matter what i do, the side buttons dont work |
| 10:52.18 | sifi-z | kapil, http://rafb.net/paste/results/zGqfAC29.html |
| 10:52.25 | nkuttler | ViViD: looks like 6.9 has many problems. you can downgrade |
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| 10:52.26 | JJK | ViViD, Didn't you backup your xorg.conf file? I guess the config was in it. |
| 10:52.28 | FlopsyPete | my ntp server's /var/log/daemon.log says 'bind() fd 4, family 2, port 123, addr 10.0.0.20, in_classd=0 flags=8 fails: Address already in use |
| 10:52.28 | FlopsyPete | '. should I enable 'disable auth' and 'broadcastclient' on the server? |
| 10:52.59 | common | FlopsyPete: netstat -anpe | grep :123 |
| 10:53.09 | ViViD | JJK, i know my xconfig by heart, i dont use a tool to update it, and no, it didnt change, the problem is in x 6.9 |
| 10:53.34 | JJK | okay. |
| 10:53.35 | FlopsyPete | common: that comes up with nothing |
| 10:53.54 | ViViD | nkuttler, i know how to downgrade it, but it will just upgrade it again the next time other packages are release |
| 10:54.05 | nkuttler | ViViD: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 10:54.54 | common | FlopsyPete: /var/log/daemon.log claims its bound already |
| 10:55.11 | common | so ... |
| 10:55.16 | ViViD | nkuttler, nice, i was using the preferences file, but found that it only works with a package name of * |
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| 10:58.34 | jrsims | hooray for ubuntu! |
| 10:58.55 | FlopsyPete | common: I've double checked and that message was from an hour ago. now I get nothing in daemon.log |
| 10:59.16 | nkuttler | jrsims: don't forget knoppix |
| 10:59.31 | nertoa | how can i make a clear screen automatically before the login starts after an user exits? |
| 10:59.40 | liable | oh, and thank the lord for kurumin.. |
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| 11:00.01 | nkuttler | nertoa: clear the screen? in shell? |
| 11:00.16 | nertoa | yeah |
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| 11:02.06 | liable | reset? |
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| 11:02.49 | GregorR-L | `clear` |
| 11:03.14 | GregorR-L | Automatically, Idonno :P |
| 11:03.58 | nkuttler | nertoa: i guess the man page to your shell could help. man inittab and login maybe |
| 11:04.11 | didar | I belivearre yehain pe kya sirf English chalta hai?? |
| 11:04.13 | nertoa | hmm, ok. |
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| 11:04.32 | liable | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1997/04/msg02045.html |
| 11:04.37 | Eclipser | didar, right |
| 11:04.37 | hell_nb | ÕÔÒÏ |
| 11:04.39 | liable | nertoa: ^^ |
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| 11:04.47 | didar | oh, ok |
| 11:04.50 | ThomasAH | nertoa: I used this: clear > /etc/issue; echo 'Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l' >> /etc/issue |
| 11:05.05 | didar | thanks /smile/ |
| 11:05.12 | LiGhTeNiN | pngwn: well I have 5GB in total for it, 512MB goes for swap, I guess I'll make root and home partition? |
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| 11:05.14 | nertoa | oh, thanks! |
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| 11:06.01 | ThomasAH | nertoa: The link posted by liable uses the same thing, but also mentions using a better getty |
| 11:07.14 | didar | I simply put a `clear' in my .bash_logout |
| 11:07.44 | kapil | sifi-z: you have not configured cdrecord. Have a look at README.atapi. |
| 11:07.46 | nertoa | I'll go for the issue thing |
| 11:08.12 | liable | nertoa: read the whole thread, it ends with .logout suggestion |
| 11:08.20 | Guerin | didar: what language is that, above? |
| 11:08.23 | LiGhTeNiN | pngwn: I'll go for 512MB swap and else root |
| 11:08.40 | Guerin | someplace on the indian subcontinent? |
| 11:09.00 | didar | hmmmm. I was Hindi /chesire cat grin/ |
| 11:09.07 | Guerin | yay, i win |
| 11:09.13 | didar | I hope I got the spelling right |
| 11:09.30 | nertoa | liable: ok |
| 11:10.12 | pngwn | LiGhTeNiN, that should be fine |
| 11:10.55 | didar | I was just testing my IRC client, didn't know what to say /shrugs/ |
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| 11:14.34 | FlopsyPete | does an ntp server just take a while to kick in? cos after using 'ntpdate' again and again and it not working, suddenly it just started working. is the 'kernel time sync status' something to I should be aware of? |
| 11:14.36 | noiesmo | i got t working hahaha |
| 11:15.01 | sifi-z | kapil, ok |
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| 11:17.51 | freaky_ | small ques.. i installed a package with alien, now how do I get rid of it? :D alien doesn't appear to have any uninstall options and I can't seem to find a .deb package |
| 11:18.28 | noiesmo | freaky_, apt-get remove alien blah |
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| 11:18.33 | liable | freaky_: dpkg -l |grep package; dpkg -r package |
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| 11:21.51 | freaky_ | liable: thx i found it |
| 11:22.05 | freaky_ | noiesmo: not sure what you said was what i was looking for. i don't want to remove alien, i want to remove one of the packages i installed with it |
| 11:22.10 | freaky_ | thx for the help peeps |
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| 11:29.36 | SeicherlBoB | i'm trying to recover files using dd on my hda. is it normal that it takes so long without doing anything? |
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| 11:31.11 | dondelelcaro | SeicherlBoB: dd probably is actually doing something. Send it a SIGUSR1 if you want to know how far it has progressed. |
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| 11:31.37 | SeicherlBoB | dondelelcaro: and how will i send that? |
| 11:31.37 | litb | how can i clean up a dir which was used by dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 11:31.43 | dondelelcaro | SeicherlBoB: with kill |
| 11:31.49 | litb | ie remove all .deb files an so on ? |
| 11:31.59 | SeicherlBoB | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 11:32.03 | Eclipser | !thx |
| 11:32.03 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas, named after THX1138, Lucas' first movie. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. |
| 11:32.04 | dondelelcaro | litb: depends on the package created and what you're trying to do. |
| 11:32.12 | dondelelcaro | litb: no real cleanup is necessary. |
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| 11:33.52 | raf256 | happy 2006 \\o// |
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| 11:35.29 | blokkie | can deliverquota and IMAP work with procmail ? |
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| 11:36.49 | SeicherlBoB | how can it be that dd still has 0 bytes written after 470 sec ? |
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| 11:37.34 | dondelelcaro | SeicherlBoB: depends on what you're trying to write to. |
| 11:37.40 | gergn | i'm trying to find a library that when i do a connection to a socks4 proxy to a https server i can just "wrap" the current non-ssl socket already created.. anything like that? |
| 11:37.55 | SeicherlBoB | dondelelcaro: /recover |
| 11:38.34 | dondelelcaro | SeicherlBoB: uh... dd reads and writes to and from files... |
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| 11:39.00 | SeicherlBoB | dondelelcaro: dd if=/dev/hda6 of=/recover/138946026.jpg count=600 bs=1024 skip=138946026 |
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| 11:40.41 | SeicherlBoB | any suggestions? |
| 11:41.28 | dondelelcaro | SeicherlBoB: and what is dd outputing when you send it a USR1? |
| 11:42.10 | SeicherlBoB | 0+0 records in - 0+0 records out - 0 bytes transferred in 469.128754 seconds (0 bytes/sec) |
| 11:42.26 | linar | a dhcp3-server is listening on one nic, connected to a wireless AP, a remote computer connecting through the AP recives the dhcp information but pings are being replied from the nic behind the AP on the linux box to the remote computer |
| 11:42.27 | GregorR-L | It's a .jpg, so I can logically deduce that SeicherlBoB is recovering 'is porn. |
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| 11:42.44 | linar | and im seeing on ethereal the ARP requrests on the linux box |
| 11:42.48 | dondelelcaro | SeicherlBoB: ok... is your drive really 138G big? |
| 11:42.50 | SeicherlBoB | nope, holiday-photographs |
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| 11:43.06 | SeicherlBoB | dondelelcaro: nope |
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| 11:43.16 | dondelelcaro | (or more importantly, is /dev/hda6 >> 138G big?) |
| 11:43.31 | SeicherlBoB | dondelelcaro: should i divide by 1024, should i |
| 11:43.41 | dondelelcaro | SeicherlBoB: yes. that number is in blocks, not k. |
| 11:43.47 | SeicherlBoB | ups |
| 11:44.00 | dondelelcaro | well, it's in K now, because your bs is 1K. |
| 11:44.17 | dondelelcaro | but you seem to be treating it like it was in bytes. |
| 11:44.49 | SeicherlBoB | ok, i'll try to fix that. hold on a sec |
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| 11:45.26 | dondelelcaro | SeicherlBoB: just for giggles, you should see dd if=/dev/hda6 of=/recover/foo count=5 bs=1024 skip=500; return almost instantly. |
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| 11:46.51 | TmR | hello pplz |
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| 11:47.51 | SeicherlBoB | wow |
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| 11:47.59 | GregorR-L | !ppl |
| 11:47.59 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
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| 11:48.22 | SeicherlBoB | dondelelcaro: seems to work |
| 11:48.35 | TmR | ok ok |
| 11:48.37 | SeicherlBoB | dondelelcaro: lets see if i get some jpgs with that |
| 11:48.38 | blokkie | how do I check the quota of a mailbox ? |
| 11:48.38 | TmR | hello people! |
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| 11:48.58 | GregorR-L | Hi TmR! |
| 11:49.02 | TmR | hello :) |
| 11:49.52 | SeicherlBoB | dondelelcaro: oh damn! |
| 11:50.12 | SeicherlBoB | dondelelcaro: seems i misunderstood the dd again |
| 11:50.39 | SeicherlBoB | dondelelcaro: all files are 600K (as specified by count-parameter) |
| 11:50.41 | TmR | is there somewhere i can find already know problems of installing debian? :S |
| 11:50.52 | SeicherlBoB | dondelelcaro: how can i get the original size? |
| 11:51.14 | TmR | cuz when i want to intall it on my amd athlon xp +1200 (amd k7n2 delta mainboard) it can't install my network card |
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| 11:54.51 | dpkg | 'D13GU___' is 98.310% lame, dimir |
| 11:55.17 | D13GU___ | ? |
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| 11:55.39 | SeicherlBoB | any suggestions how i can fetch the original filesize when trying to recover my jpgs? |
| 11:56.10 | usn | good morning |
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| 11:59.13 | dondelelcaro | SeicherlBoB: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 11:59.22 | SeicherlBoB | recovering my files |
| 11:59.27 | dondelelcaro | SeicherlBoB: from what? |
| 11:59.35 | SeicherlBoB | my hda6 |
| 11:59.40 | dondelelcaro | which is a what? |
| 11:59.49 | SeicherlBoB | my /home partition |
| 11:59.52 | SeicherlBoB | ext3 |
| 11:59.54 | dondelelcaro | why can't you just mount hda6 and access the files that way? |
| 12:00.06 | SeicherlBoB | cause i deleted them |
| 12:00.15 | SeicherlBoB | thats why i'm trying to recover |
| 12:00.23 | dondelelcaro | so use recover or un2delelete or similar. |
| 12:00.42 | SeicherlBoB | won'T work with ext3. i tryed that before |
| 12:01.11 | SeicherlBoB | i was told to use grep on my hda6 to fetch the offsets of the files |
| 12:01.23 | SeicherlBoB | with that offsets i'm feeding the dd function. |
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| 12:01.43 | SeicherlBoB | but i always get 600K files and not the original filesize |
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| 12:02.05 | pawdro | hi, is any pole here to tell me how to make polish fonts in sarge? |
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| 12:02.26 | dondelelcaro | SeicherlBoB: well, figure out what the original filesize is supposed to be; unfortunatly, if the files are fragmented at all, that technique won't work at all. |
| 12:02.39 | valdyn | TmR: did you try linux26 ? |
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| 12:02.47 | dondelelcaro | SeicherlBoB: the reason why I suggested e2undel or similar is because an ext3 filesystem can fallback to ext2. |
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| 12:03.16 | SeicherlBoB | yeah, i thought so too, but it didn't work at all |
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| 12:03.44 | SeicherlBoB | dondelelcaro: how shall i figure out the oringal size? |
| 12:03.51 | TmR | valdyn: linux26 ? |
| 12:04.15 | valdyn | TmR: yep, at the first bootprompt |
| 12:04.17 | TmR | (im only a noob :) @ linux for ~ 1 week some differen distro's) |
| 12:04.24 | TmR | ok.. what does that doe? |
| 12:04.26 | TmR | *do |
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| 12:04.44 | valdyn | TmR: its all documented, just hit F1 at the same bootprompt |
| 12:04.53 | dukebody | please somebody could help me with samba????????? |
| 12:04.56 | dondelelcaro | SeicherlBoB: by reading the ext3 filesystem information, and parsing it. |
| 12:05.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell dukebody -about ask |
| 12:05.10 | valdyn | !punctuation |
| 12:05.27 | SeicherlBoB | dondelelcaro: and how shall i read it? |
| 12:05.28 | TmR|Internship | okay valdyn will try that wheni get home |
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| 12:06.39 | dondelelcaro | SeicherlBoB: with less or similar. Frankly, I don't know enough about how ext3 is set up to be of much help to you there. That's one of the many reasons why I use ext2, not 3. |
| 12:06.51 | valdyn | SeicherlBoB: if you always get 600k files you should probably read the dd manpage |
| 12:07.01 | dukebody | i'm having problems with my samba sharing folders configuration. I can't see my sharing folders and i get some errors like "(myfolder) cannot be found, may it be removed recently" |
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| 12:07.24 | SeicherlBoB | valdyn: i know that theres the error. but where can i get the original filesize |
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| 12:08.09 | thirst | when I try to mount a partition on my second disk(hdb), I get this error "mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /second busy" when either of those are not true.. any clues |
| 12:08.34 | barabbino | f |
| 12:08.40 | bigup | hi there :) |
| 12:08.51 | bigup | i come back with the same problem than yesterday |
| 12:09.06 | bigup | I have a display problem with gtk fonts |
| 12:09.10 | bigup | on debian testing |
| 12:09.28 | bigup | after an upgrade : http://img487.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen6dl.png |
| 12:09.28 | Guerin | !gtk fontsize |
| 12:09.29 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 12:09.47 | bigup | Guerin: I've tried it yesterday but it did not worked |
| 12:10.11 | Guerin | oh, you have antialiasing off in gtk2 |
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| 12:10.20 | Guerin | run switch2 |
| 12:10.47 | bigup | Guerin: ok |
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| 12:10.56 | bigup | Guerin: and? |
| 12:11.33 | Guerin | bigup: change stuff |
| 12:11.42 | bigup | Guerin: lol ok :/ |
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| 12:12.39 | bigup | Guerin: thank you ;) |
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| 12:13.21 | kapil | bye |
| 12:13.30 | Azuregos | hi |
| 12:13.33 | Azuregos | õàé |
| 12:13.38 | Azuregos | òóò ðóññêèå åñòü ? |
| 12:13.45 | Guerin | Azuregos: english, please. |
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| 12:14.22 | Azuregos | ÷àâî ÷àâî ? |
| 12:14.46 | ledet | Azuregos: &%¤(/ ¤% ÅAjh H%¤/ |
| 12:15.14 | SeicherlBoB | in bash-shell: how can i check for "is not equal" ? |
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| 12:15.24 | ledet | Azuregos: what the heck language is that anyway? |
| 12:15.30 | dukebody | i'm having problems with samba, i can't browse my shared folders |
| 12:15.39 | Azuregos | what ? |
| 12:15.45 | Azuregos | I'm russian |
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| 12:16.46 | sep | dukebody, verify the directory your shares path point to exsists |
| 12:17.21 | Guerin | Azuregos: please speak english in here. |
| 12:17.24 | Guerin | !ru |
| 12:17.24 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 12:18.48 | dukebody | yes sep it exist |
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| 12:21.50 | QUACH | hello how can i uninstall an installed deb package? thanks |
| 12:21.55 | Pstt_ | morning ppl |
| 12:21.58 | dondelelcaro | QUACH: dpkg -r foopkg |
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| 12:22.21 | QUACH | thx |
| 12:22.22 | Guerin | !pkgmgmt |
| 12:22.22 | dpkg | i heard pkgmgmt is Debian Package Management - Most Important Commands: http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or 'man apt-get'; 'man apt-cache', or apt-get install apt-dpkg-ref, or ask me about apt howto |
| 12:23.48 | Guerin | bloody maoist insurgency looks like restarting in Nepal too |
| 12:23.56 | pawdro | how to install kernel 2.6.14 using apt-get? |
| 12:24.12 | Guerin | hey ... wrong channel |
| 12:24.16 | dondelelcaro | pawdro: if you're using unstable, just install it. Otherwise, the short answer is that you don't. |
| 12:24.32 | dondelelcaro | pawdro: long answer is you either get a backport or use make-kpkg to build 2.6.14 |
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| 12:25.45 | eps | any news on gnome 2.12 in sid? |
| 12:25.58 | cheal | !tell eps about gnome 2.12 |
| 12:26.16 | pawdro | dondelelcardo: so can u tell me how to install the latest gnome? |
| 12:26.21 | SeicherlBoB | ok, i'm trying my first shell script and my first confition won't work! whats wrong with: if [$lastos != 0]; then ... |
| 12:26.23 | eps | cheal so they are still having trouble with debs :( |
| 12:26.25 | eps | bother |
| 12:26.29 | eps | thanks cheal :) |
| 12:26.35 | dondelelcaro | !u |
| 12:26.35 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:26.36 | slept | dukebody, did you add users for samba with smbpasswd -a username ? |
| 12:26.39 | Azuregos | ýé |
| 12:26.40 | cheal | eps: :? |
| 12:26.41 | Azuregos | íàðîä |
| 12:26.43 | dondelelcaro | pawdro: it's in experimental. |
| 12:26.44 | Azuregos | :) |
| 12:26.47 | Azuregos | áóãàãàãà |
| 12:26.52 | Azuregos | ìàçà ôàêà |
| 12:26.53 | dondelelcaro | eps: it's in experimental. |
| 12:26.54 | Azuregos | :) |
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| 12:27.00 | kapil | SeicherlBoB: give yourself some space :) [ $lastos != 0 ] |
| 12:27.28 | SeicherlBoB | kapil: thx ;) |
| 12:28.10 | pawdro | dondelelcardo: u mean i have to add sid or etch repos to sources.list? |
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| 12:28.12 | RichiH | heh |
| 12:28.14 | RichiH | oi dondelelcaro |
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| 12:28.17 | dukebody | yes slept i did that |
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| 12:29.36 | dondelelcaro | pawdro: if you have to ask, just stick with the version of gnome that you've got until the bugs are worked out. |
| 12:29.40 | dondelelcaro | pawdro: and stop using 'u' please. |
| 12:30.00 | pawdro | ok sorry |
| 12:30.39 | slept | dukebody, is the directorymode right ? |
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| 12:32.00 | mansu | hi all |
| 12:32.26 | mansu | has anyone faced any issues with meld on deb unstable... the old one works fine, but the new one seems to not support svn |
| 12:32.52 | mansu | is there a way i can undo the latest one and install the old version of meld? |
| 12:34.00 | Guerin | mansu: look at snapshot.debian.net |
| 12:34.18 | Guerin | mmars: if you have to ask, you probably can't downgrade without breaking shit horribly |
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| 12:36.10 | mansu | Guerin: if i downgrade will it make things worse? |
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| 12:36.27 | Guerin | mansu: potentially. It might work fine. |
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| 12:37.14 | mansu | Guerin: i haven't seen any other packages being upgraded when i upgraded so i think i should be fine...ami right? |
| 12:37.40 | snuff- | i upgraded debian unstable yesterday, xorg packages were updated too, now thumb button in my mouse is no longer working and xmodmap says bad number of buttons, must have 10 instead of 6, how to fix this? |
| 12:37.40 | Smeta | why cant i terminate or resume my nx sessions on my lin comp? it says terminating, but nothing happens.. |
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| 12:38.02 | Guerin | mansu: if that's the only package you upgraded, then you should be able to downgrade without trouble. I'd check the changelog and BTS to see a) why that functionality was removed and b) what can or is being done about it |
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| 12:38.49 | snuff- | xev doesn't show events for the thumb button anymore either, xorg.conf is the same as before |
| 12:39.18 | SeicherlBoB | why would this not work in my bash script? if [ $size < 1024 ]; then |
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| 12:40.18 | pureone | SeicherlBoB, try with i think you need if [ $size lt 1024 ] or something along them lines.. check out the abs guide on if statements |
| 12:40.29 | pureone | s/try// |
| 12:41.15 | SeicherlBoB | now it says "binary operator expected" |
| 12:41.51 | SeicherlBoB | ah, it was -lt |
| 12:42.04 | pureone | almost had it ;) |
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| 12:42.50 | pawdro | ive added repository where is gnome 2.12 but apt-get doesnt update it? |
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| 12:43.18 | pawdro | what wrong do i do |
| 12:43.19 | pawdro | ? |
| 12:43.22 | cheal | pawdro: if you don't master APT, don't use experimental for fun |
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| 12:45.08 | pawdro | how would i know its experimental |
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| 12:45.10 | pawdro | ? |
| 12:45.21 | cheal | !gnome 2.12 |
| 12:45.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, gnome 2.12 is currently in experimental, or http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-2.12-unstable-2005-12-15-14-19, or http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-2.12-unstable-2005-12-26-21-17 |
| 12:45.48 | Guerin | pawdro: if it doesn't have 'debian.org' in it, presume it's experimental |
| 12:45.51 | Guerin | or worse |
| 12:46.09 | pawdro | yes |
| 12:46.12 | pawdro | it doesnt |
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| 12:46.15 | Guerin | that it's intended to blow up your box, drink your coffee and impregnate your cat |
| 12:46.16 | cheal | dpkg: no, gnome 2.12 is currently in experimental, more info at http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-2.12-unstable-2005-12-26-21-17 |
| 12:46.16 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 12:46.43 | cheal | hehehe |
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| 12:49.44 | deadline | hi all, whats a good place to read on how to create an own kernel .deb image? |
| 12:50.03 | dondelelcaro | !tell deadline -about kp |
| 12:50.07 | dondelelcaro | !tell deadline -about kp mantra |
| 12:50.16 | dondelelcaro | deadline: that should give you the infomration that you need. |
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| 12:51.00 | sdakota | hi |
| 12:51.20 | sdakota | Perl gives me this output: |
| 12:51.20 | sdakota | Unable to get Terminal Size. The TIOCGWINSZ ioctl didn't work. The COLUMNS and LINES environment variables didn't work. The resize program didn't work. at /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4/Term/ReadKey.pm line 362. |
| 12:51.24 | deadline | dondelelcaro: i want to create a .deb from a custom kernel |
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| 12:51.59 | dondelelcaro | deadline: yes, and you use make-kpkg and the kp mantra line or your equivalent to do that. |
| 12:52.32 | deadline | dondelelcaro: ill try thanks |
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| 12:53.24 | sdakota | Unable to get Terminal Size. The TIOCGWINSZ ioctl didn't work. The COLUMNS and LINES environment variables didn't work. The resize program didn't work. at /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4/Term/ReadKey.pm line 362. |
| 12:53.29 | sdakota | other Curses widgets work fine |
| 12:53.39 | sdakota | and the $COLUMNS and $LINES variables are set |
| 12:53.51 | sdakota | how to install TIOCGWINSZ ioctl and the resize program? |
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| 12:55.25 | Inge | hello |
| 12:55.44 | deadline | dondelelcaro: wouldnt that also be a good solution: http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/howto/debian_kernel_compile.html ? |
| 12:56.03 | Inge | can anyone give me a hand with a relatively simple problem? |
| 12:56.14 | Inge | me being new to linux |
| 12:56.32 | dondelelcaro | deadline: that howto is outdated, and doesn't cover half of the stuff that the kp mantra does. |
| 12:56.34 | Eulex | !n00b |
| 12:56.34 | dpkg | i guess n00b is l33t jargon for newbie. |
| 12:56.38 | Eulex | !newbie |
| 12:56.39 | dpkg | [newbie] someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
| 12:56.39 | dondelelcaro | Inge: just ask your question. |
| 12:56.55 | Eulex | !noob |
| 12:56.55 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 12:56.59 | Eulex | there |
| 12:57.13 | Inge | Im trying to configure my montior settings using xf86config |
| 12:57.14 | sussudio_ | Eulex: http://www.forumspile.com/STFU-Dog_on_puppy.jpg |
| 12:57.37 | Eulex | sussudio_, hehe |
| 12:57.37 | Inge | but im not sure what to do after i've saved the file |
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| 12:58.03 | dondelelcaro | Inge: first off, don't use xf86config. use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg. |
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| 12:58.11 | Inge | ok |
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| 12:58.43 | sdakota | Unable to get Terminal Size. The TIOCGWINSZ ioctl didn't work. The COLUMNS and LINES environment variables didn't work. The resize program didn't work. at /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4/Term/ReadKey.pm line 362. |
| 12:58.44 | sdakota | how to install TIOCGWINSZ ioctl and the resize program? |
| 12:58.58 | Inge | so i can just get thsoe with apt dondelelcaro? |
| 12:59.10 | pawdro | does aptitude -t experimentall install gnome-desktop-environment removes some stuff? |
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| 12:59.21 | dondelelcaro | Inge: if you've got X, you've already got them. |
| 12:59.39 | Inge | ok |
| 12:59.45 | dondelelcaro | pawdro: if you really need to ask that question, you should *NOT* be using experimental. |
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| 13:00.23 | pawdro | ill answer: oops |
| 13:00.36 | pawdro | im not using exp |
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| 13:00.43 | dondelelcaro | pawdro: just stick with whatever version you've got now until the transition is completed, or read about how to operate aptitude, apt-cache, and grep-dctrl so you can answer that question for yourself. |
| 13:01.01 | Eulex | Inge, you shouldn't use xf86config |
| 13:01.04 | Eulex | !drxx Inge |
| 13:01.04 | dpkg | Inge: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:01.22 | Eulex | !xf86config |
| 13:01.22 | dpkg | i heard xf86config is a good way to break Debian's X configuration. If you've not done it, ask me about "troubleshooting x". If you have, ask me about "x md5sum". |
| 13:01.25 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any noticeable documentation about how to build as smaller linux kernel as possible? Just decided to play with linux kernel :-) |
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| 13:01.49 | Inge | ok |
| 13:02.11 | dondelelcaro | hid3: there's quite a bit of documentation about it, but normally you don't bother. |
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| 13:02.48 | sdakota | Perl thinks I'm running Cygwin but I'm running Debian really |
| 13:02.52 | beardy | hid3: Just include support for the hardware the machine that your building for have, experiment and take away things if you discover they are not needed. Try google, perhaps there is some sort of guide/howto for that, but what I said is the generalidea. |
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| 13:03.37 | hid3 | thanks, will try |
| 13:04.16 | beardy | hid3: /msg dpkg kp, and kp mantra |
| 13:04.21 | SeicherlBoB | is there a way to check wether a file is a valid jpg file or not? |
| 13:04.31 | beardy | SeicherlBoB: file ? |
| 13:04.32 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: you may be, but that version of perl isn't from Debian, since it wouldn't be loading anything from that directory. |
| 13:05.00 | dondelelcaro | (since Term::ReadKey gets installed into /usr, not /usr/local) |
| 13:05.10 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, I downloaded it right off apt-get |
| 13:05.17 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, or no, CPAN actually |
| 13:05.17 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: clearly not |
| 13:05.20 | SeicherlBoB | beard: yes, a file. you know that bunch of data with a name, some rights and so on |
| 13:05.23 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, but CPAN is for Perl really |
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| 13:05.32 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: not when the module is packaged in Debian already. |
| 13:05.49 | beardy | SeicherlBoB: file(1) |
| 13:05.51 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: using cpan modules on Debian is a bad idea. We have a real packaging system; there's no reason to use CPAN at all. |
| 13:06.09 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: back out whatever you've done and install libterm-readkey-perl. |
| 13:06.09 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, ...there is, CPAN is used for all perl packages... |
| 13:06.17 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: I'm well aware of what CPAN is... |
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| 13:06.35 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: the debian packaging system is far superior to what CPAN can give you. |
| 13:06.40 | beardy | SeicherlBoB: Thanks for the explanation ;) My mistake for being to vague.. |
| 13:06.45 | SeicherlBoB | beardy: the file has a jpg ending, but i don't know if it really is a jpg file |
| 13:06.49 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, libterm-readkey-perl is already the newest version. |
| 13:07.09 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: good, then delete whatever version of Term::ReadKey you've installed into /usr/local |
| 13:07.11 | Inge | ok dondel, i have configured my settings using dpkg reconfigure |
| 13:07.30 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, can't, cpan has no uninstall or remove thingy - you want me to use rm -rf ? |
| 13:07.31 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: and make sure that you only have one version of perl installed. |
| 13:07.43 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: now you see reason #1 why CPAN is not that great. |
| 13:07.50 | beardy | SeicherlBoB: file(1) is a program to check what kind of a file a file is. Install the program file. Read 'man 1 file'. An example, 'file foo.jpg' |
| 13:08.18 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, i've got libwww-perl and normal perl 5.8.4, installed in /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4/ |
| 13:08.22 | SeicherlBoB | beardy: ok, thanks. didn'T know it would do that. |
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| 13:08.47 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: you should only have the version of perl that came with Debian, installed into /usr/bin/perl et al. |
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| 13:09.02 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, I only installed perl through apt-get! |
| 13:09.13 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: then ditch whatever other third party modules you've installed. |
| 13:09.24 | sdakota | i..have no idea |
| 13:09.57 | FallOnMe | Hi what's the unstable breakage for today? :-) |
| 13:09.58 | dondelelcaro | and now you see problem #2 with CPAn... |
| 13:10.10 | Inge | :/ |
| 13:10.19 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, I just .. |
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| 13:10.42 | cheal | FallOnMe: it's a surprise |
| 13:11.08 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: use find /usr/local; and rm -rf to remove those third party modules, and make sure that you're using the perl binary that was actually distributed with Debian. |
| 13:11.15 | Inge | dondelelcaro, ive reconfigured, what should i do now? |
| 13:11.38 | nesys | Hi folks .. I'm trying to install asterisk 1.2.1 on debian sarge ... I've added a testing source, but now I've an error:http://pastebin.com/487069 |
| 13:11.42 | nesys | what could I do? |
| 13:11.42 | dondelelcaro | Inge: run startx or X; to see if your settings are correct. |
| 13:11.47 | sdakota | dondelelcaro: I'm in /usr/local now - what do you want me to do?! :/ *very confused* |
| 13:12.14 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: find /usr/local -type f|less; and see what you've managed to install |
| 13:12.17 | Inge | dondelelcaro, i got a fatal server error |
| 13:12.17 | litb | can i install normal .deb files using apt-get? |
| 13:12.30 | dondelelcaro | litb: use dpkg -i to do that. |
| 13:12.38 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, why doesn't cpan work? I think cpan is fine. As long as all cpan modules are in @INC, it should work fine -- |
| 13:12.38 | cheal | !tell nesys about mmap |
| 13:12.40 | beardy | nesys: /msg dpkg backport |
| 13:12.41 | litb | but it doesn't resolve dependencies |
| 13:12.44 | Inge | server already active |
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| 13:13.10 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: you've already seen two reasons why it's garbage. When a module is already packaged for Debian, use the Debian packages. WHen it's not, use dh-make-perl --build --cpan. |
| 13:13.25 | sdakota | eek! |
| 13:13.32 | sdakota | so now I need to remove ALL perl modules??!! |
| 13:13.34 | litb | dondelelcaro, or is there a way for dpkg to resolve dependencies automatically? |
| 13:13.39 | slept | where can i find a qemu backport with kqemu support, quitte told me somone in here did it, but I can't find it a backports.org ? |
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| 13:13.49 | dondelelcaro | litb: just dpkg -i it, then apt-get -f install. |
| 13:13.52 | beardy | litb: man dpkg, what .deb file though? |
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| 13:14.02 | Guerin | litb: you shouldn't ever install a .deb for which you don't have the deps already |
| 13:14.20 | litb | self made one |
| 13:14.28 | nesys | cheal thank you very much :) |
| 13:14.34 | beardy | litb: yeah, but which program? |
| 13:14.49 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: you need to remove whichever perl modules you've installed into /usr/local. |
| 13:14.49 | litb | and my friend wants to install it but his system doesn't meet the needs |
| 13:14.49 | beardy | litb: Oh well, dpkg is what you use. |
| 13:14.51 | SeicherlBoB | concerning the file programm. when it looks at a valid jpg-file it says "data". Is there a way to make a difference between different data-types? |
| 13:15.08 | sdakota | dondelelcaro: there are a waaaay lot of module |
| 13:15.14 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, modules* |
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| 13:15.16 | litb | beardy, self made program :) |
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| 13:15.37 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: well, this would be a problem. |
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| 13:15.43 | sdakota | dondelelcaro, so, cd /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4; rm -rf * ? |
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| 13:15.46 | Guerin | SeicherlBoB: $ file w/v2_0.jpg |
| 13:15.47 | Guerin | w/v2_0.jpg: JPEG image data, JFIF standard 1.01 |
| 13:15.51 | Guerin | SeicherlBoB: you're wrong. |
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| 13:16.21 | SeicherlBoB | Guerin: well, but the file i just looked at is a picture at least. and it just returned "data" |
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| 13:16.26 | beardy | SeicherlBoB: Then the file is probably not a jpeg file. |
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| 13:16.31 | dondelelcaro | sdakota: you've probably also got modules in /usr/local/lib/perl, /usr/local/share/perl5, /usr/local/lib/perl5... |
| 13:16.33 | litb | dondelelcaro, and apt-get -f knows that i tried to install my deb with dpkg? |
| 13:16.42 | dondelelcaro | litb: yes. |
| 13:16.45 | sdakota | ...... |
| 13:16.48 | beardy | SeicherlBoB: Or not a correct one. |
| 13:16.49 | sdakota | this is too big |
| 13:16.54 | Guerin | SeicherlBoB: then it's not strictly a jpeg file - it might have enough jpeg data in it for a viewer to use, but it's probably missing headers, or somesuch. |
| 13:17.25 | Guerin | SeicherlBoB: this is often the case with files created by certain shit-quality software |
| 13:17.45 | sdakota | I gtg - see you later |
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| 13:18.02 | SeicherlBoB | beardy, Guerin: I just recovered a coulpe of files using dd. Now i'd like to remove all that are no jpg. Looks like the files are destroyed too much so file won't recognize them |
| 13:18.17 | litb | and if i decide to not install it, can i easily unmark the .deb? (sorry, may be a dumb question) |
| 13:18.18 | Guerin | SeicherlBoB: oh, that'll be why. |
| 13:18.24 | dondelelcaro | litb: just dpkg -r it. |
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| 13:18.28 | Guerin | SeicherlBoB: try opening them all in a viewer |
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| 13:18.39 | beardy | SeicherlBoB: Perhaps yes. Or that the files were not correct from the start. |
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| 13:18.53 | SeicherlBoB | Guerin: sure... 23.677 files. |
| 13:19.00 | litb | cool, .deb files are better then rpm. now i actually know it |
| 13:19.01 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: damn you for being thorough! |
| 13:19.27 | Guerin | SeicherlBoB: that's not a few files |
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| 13:19.48 | SeicherlBoB | Guerin: i was sarcastic |
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| 13:20.45 | beardy | SeicherlBoB: Have a look at imagemagick, perhaps it has something to fix the files, to add headers, 'convert' perhaps. |
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| 13:21.24 | s-toned | I need some hints to get udf working on sarge with 2.6.8 (module udf is loaded, udftools are installed). |
| 13:21.50 | s-toned | When starting udftools I get: /dev/pktcdvd/0=/dev/sr1 FATAL: Module pktcdvd not found |
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| 13:22.37 | SeicherlBoB | beardy: well... I'm not sure if this will help. |
| 13:22.46 | beardy | SeicherlBoB: Me neither.. |
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| 13:22.55 | SeicherlBoB | beardy: lol ;) |
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| 13:23.33 | britt | does anybody how to mass normalize MP3s to a certain sound level using some console app? |
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| 13:23.45 | asuffield | britt: mp3gain |
| 13:23.48 | Fabiano | Hi |
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| 13:23.57 | Inge | :/ |
| 13:23.58 | britt | asuffield: intresting. |
| 13:24.07 | Fabiano | Do you spaek portugues? |
| 13:24.16 | litb | dondelelcaro, and apt-get -f install wants to remove my whole KDE :). i don't want this. |
| 13:24.27 | litb | what's going on? |
| 13:24.33 | Fabiano | Do you speak Portugues? |
| 13:24.34 | NewIRC | Good Morning |
| 13:24.53 | litb | and tries to install libexr4c2 or something like that |
| 13:24.56 | NewIRC | i have a question |
| 13:25.00 | NewIRC | Knoppix is base Debian ? |
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| 13:25.12 | Guerin | NewIRC: yes. |
| 13:25.16 | britt | what happened to the marillat sources? |
| 13:25.46 | cheal | !tell Fabiano about br |
| 13:25.48 | Inge | hi, I've tried reconfiguring xf86 using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but gnome still refuses to run in any res higher than 600x800 |
| 13:26.01 | NewIRC | thanks Guerin |
| 13:26.04 | SeicherlBoB | beardy: but file will find at least some of them so the haystack will shrink |
| 13:26.07 | cheal | Inge: which resolution did you choose? |
| 13:26.11 | Guerin | Inge: you're not selecting thew correct options, then |
| 13:26.13 | britt | Inge: did you try editing XF86Config-4 |
| 13:26.20 | Guerin | Inge: /msg dpkg hwinfo |
| 13:26.34 | Guerin | britt: don't tell people to do that |
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| 13:26.51 | britt | Guerin: works for me. |
| 13:26.56 | Guerin | Inge: you also want to ask dpkg about x md5sum if you've manually fucked with the x config file |
| 13:27.03 | Guerin | britt: bully for you. |
| 13:27.29 | britt | Guerin: whatever. |
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| 13:27.43 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 13:27.43 | dpkg | methinks whatever is the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
| 13:27.56 | Inge | i havent manually edited xf86config-4 |
| 13:28.00 | Inge | thats stayed the same |
| 13:28.02 | Guerin | Inge: ok. Don't. |
| 13:28.03 | SeicherlBoB | ok, i hate scripting! Whats wrong with that line?: if [ file /recover/$i -b = "JPEG image data, JFIF standard 1.02"]; then |
| 13:28.05 | dondelelcaro | litb: you'll need to tell us exactly what package you're trying to install and exactly what its dependencies are. |
| 13:28.23 | Inge | every time i reconfigure though it writes a file xf86config |
| 13:28.23 | Guerin | Inge: ask dpkg about 'hwinfo' and 'set up x' |
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| 13:28.28 | britt | Guerin: at the end of the day, my widescreen LCD works fine. |
| 13:28.29 | Inge | ok |
| 13:28.30 | litb | dondelelcaro, even without this package |
| 13:28.40 | Guerin | britt: as I said, bully for you. |
| 13:29.37 | Guerin | britt: there are technical reasons not to manually edit the config file for xfree in debian and it's almost never necessary to do so. |
| 13:29.41 | Guerin | xorg is another matter. |
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| 13:30.44 | Burnys | does anyone has used FAI (Fully Automatic Installation) for debian? |
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| 13:31.00 | Guerin | SeicherlBoB: space before closing ] |
| 13:31.01 | Inge | guerin i got Hwinfo, and it hasnt told me anything i dont already know :P |
| 13:31.12 | Guerin | !anyone use FAI? |
| 13:31.12 | dpkg | No, no one uses FAI, not even the people who use it. |
| 13:31.33 | streuner | !tell Inge about setup x |
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| 13:31.41 | Guerin | Inge: then note down the appropriate resolutions and refresh rates, run drxx again, and enter them when prompted. |
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| 13:32.25 | zuru | After installing splashy, during boot-up, I have an error which indicates that Direct Frame Buffer is not supported. Checking through the kernel (2.6.8) I find Direct Frame Buffer as a selectable item. Does that mean I have to do a patch? |
| 13:32.27 | beardy | hmm, boiling dry is not good, I just learned.. |
| 13:32.51 | zuru | sorry, it should be "i do not find" |
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| 13:33.16 | s-toned | There is nothing in config-2.6.8-2-k7 pointing to pkgcdvd or something similar. |
| 13:33.20 | Burnys | thanks all |
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| 13:33.34 | Guerin | zuru: no, it means you need to rebuild the kernel with that option selected. |
| 13:33.41 | BusMaster | is there an application to play audio CD's even if there is no wire connecting the audio CD to my soundcard? |
| 13:33.41 | litb | dondelelcaro, is there a way to only fix package X ? |
| 13:33.42 | beardy | zuru: No, it means you have to append some things to the kerneltoenable the framebuffer. |
| 13:33.49 | Guerin | oh, or that |
| 13:33.50 | litb | apt-get -f install X ? |
| 13:33.56 | Eulex | BusMaster, xmms, opencubicplayer |
| 13:34.12 | BusMaster | Eulex, i'll try xmms. does it need any special plugin? |
| 13:34.17 | Guerin | litb: no X |
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| 13:34.34 | zuru | Guerin: I can't find that option for my 2.6.8. |
| 13:34.47 | BusMaster | Eulex, er...how do I make it open an audiocd? |
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| 13:34.51 | s-toned | Where do I get that pkgcdvd module from? |
| 13:34.55 | litb | Guerin, but then apt-get checks all packages |
| 13:35.00 | litb | but i want to only check package X |
| 13:35.02 | Guerin | litb: yes. |
| 13:35.04 | Guerin | litb: tough. |
| 13:35.06 | nkuttler | BusMaster: apt-cache search xmms cd |
| 13:35.16 | Eulex | BusMaster, (1) install xmms-cdread (2) configure it |
| 13:35.19 | Inge | ok |
| 13:35.23 | BusMaster | Eulex, thanks |
| 13:35.24 | Inge | im going to try again |
| 13:35.43 | s-toned | DVD-RAM with ext2 works, but I'd prefer udf. |
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| 13:37.15 | BusMaster | Eulex, that worked. thanks |
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| 13:37.54 | Eulex | BusMaster, yw |
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| 13:38.30 | beardy | Hmm, anyone has logs for a week or two back, and can search for vesafb? |
| 13:38.46 | diana | !ops can one of you /msg me? |
| 13:38.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: can one of you /msg me |
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| 13:39.31 | beardy | Someone had trouble enabling the vesafb, but found out ow to do it, I should have made a factoid out of it.. |
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| 13:40.58 | RichiH | dpkg: huh? |
| 13:40.59 | dpkg | !find test |
| 13:41.01 | RichiH | erm |
| 13:41.04 | RichiH | diana: huh? |
| 13:41.26 | cheal | beardy: I only know how to disable vesafb, but which kernel? |
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| 13:43.31 | beardy | cheal: Yeah, woody kernels had vesafb enabled as default, but sarge kernels have it disabled isntead.. |
| 13:43.59 | spooky | heya |
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| 13:45.33 | beardy | cheal: It was something similar to enable it, perhaps it was only the one who I was refering to that needed something more.. video=vga16:on is perhaps enough to enable it. |
| 13:46.02 | zuru | i am going to install DirectFB from the www.directfb.org source. any advice against that? |
| 13:46.16 | cheal | beardy: so a stock 2.4.27/2.6.8? make sure that vesafb loads the kernel argument looks like that |
| 13:46.18 | spooky | I need some help with the following if possible , In my UltraFTP client I can do the following : directory list ; Custom recursive directory tree for remote server 1-2 directorys deep only. Now I also want to be able to do this in debian , so set is as ascript .... but can't find the commands for that |
| 13:46.40 | cheal | beardy: s/loads the/loads. the/ |
| 13:46.44 | beardy | zuru: Which kernel are you using? |
| 13:47.09 | spooky | Tried ls -R , but that gives all files and the directorys also (and these are not needed) |
| 13:47.13 | spooky | any idea's ?? |
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| 13:47.17 | beardy | cheal: Yeah, perhaps that was it.. the loading of the modules at boot, with an append, was the other thing. |
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| 13:47.58 | zuru | beardy: 2.6.8. I read that DirectFB also deals with i/o device handling. something to be concerned about. |
| 13:48.03 | blondie | spooky: what do you mean? |
| 13:48.40 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 13:48.44 | elephantMan | Happy New Year |
| 13:48.56 | bibe | !hi elephantMan |
| 13:49.02 | s-toned | rgrep -i pkgcdvd /usr/src/linux/* returns nothing |
| 13:49.05 | zuru | anyone knows if Direct |
| 13:49.15 | blondie | error |
| 13:49.26 | spooky | blondie : well I want to make a list of all directories in my FTP directory |
| 13:49.29 | zuru | anyone knows if DirectFB will affect hotplug? |
| 13:49.37 | spooky | I now have the follong |
| 13:49.45 | Guerin | spooky: don't tell us |
| 13:49.47 | beardy | zuru: I can't say I'm familiar with directfb, sorry.. something other than ordinary vesafb, or the other framebuffer modules? |
| 13:49.47 | spooky | *following |
| 13:49.59 | Guerin | spooky: just read man ls and look at using > to a file |
| 13:50.09 | spooky | yep I did that |
| 13:50.17 | zuru | beardy: fine, thanks/ |
| 13:50.19 | spooky | but that is doing eveything |
| 13:50.35 | Guerin | spooky: which is because you didn't read man ls |
| 13:50.39 | elephantMan | I have a folder with hundreds of image files. New image files arrive every 15 minutes. How can i copy, in a new dir, one file per day at 12 p.m ? |
| 13:50.47 | spooky | I did read it |
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| 13:52.10 | zuru | i am going to give a shot, hopefully it will warn me before doing anything destructive. |
| 13:52.16 | elephantMan | Those image files comes from a network camera, and i need to filter those image to make a movie. |
| 13:52.19 | Daedric | guys... where can i configure some exports in a debian instalation?? /etc/exports ?? |
| 13:52.21 | nm | !find iwconfig |
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| 13:53.22 | diana | What is a good program to switch from different window managers and not have any of my guis close? |
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| 13:53.25 | elephantMan | Can someone tell me what combination of command i should use ? Then i'll check the doc |
| 13:53.33 | diana | Like I can switch from fluxbox to icewm...but not from icewm to fluxbox |
| 13:53.37 | nm | !find iwconfig |
| 13:53.44 | Inge | still no luck guys, gnome still will only run at a max of 600x800 |
| 13:54.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iwconfig' (1): (/sbin/iwconfig) in net/wireless-tools. |
| 13:54.16 | goccias | elephantMan: a cronjob alling a simple bash script like : mkdir name`date --date='today' +%y%m%d-%H%M |
| 13:54.21 | Guerin | Inge: is the x config file being updated? |
| 13:54.22 | blondie | spooky: Guerin is mistaken - there isn't an ls option for it |
| 13:54.28 | spooky | Guerin : read it again , but still not able to see insite a dir |
| 13:54.38 | Inge | the x config-4 file is exactly the same |
| 13:54.43 | Guerin | spooky: eh? |
| 13:54.47 | spooky | blondie : oke thanks , any other option ? |
| 13:54.48 | Guerin | ls */ |
| 13:54.51 | Guerin | try it |
| 13:55.00 | blondie | he didn't say that |
| 13:55.06 | goccias | elephantMan: look for a good bash tutorial |
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| 13:55.13 | Guerin | or ls -d |
| 13:55.19 | elephantMan | goccias, ok but how can i copy the files based on their date ? |
| 13:55.20 | spooky | blondie : as it's build in my FTPclient , but wnat to do it "manual" as a script |
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| 13:55.43 | blondie | spooky: please clarify what you want |
| 13:55.49 | elephantMan | cause 'cp' doesn't allow to filter on date |
| 13:55.55 | blondie | you want to see a list of directories? or their contents? |
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| 13:56.09 | spooky | guerin : ls */ is the one i need |
| 13:56.09 | Inge | hmm |
| 13:56.10 | spooky | thanks |
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| 13:57.05 | SeicherlBoB | anybody knows a fast way to read the filesize of every file in a dir so i can use it in a script? |
| 13:57.23 | blondie | what kind of script? |
| 13:57.27 | SeicherlBoB | bash |
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| 13:57.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iwconfig' (2): (/sbin/iwconfig) in net/wireless-tools ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.0-dev-2/functions/Completion/Linux/_iwconfig) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 13:57.32 | goccias | elephantMan: is very easy : read a bit of a tut , you rename them or move then in a dir : it's up to you |
| 13:57.34 | bbrazil | SeicherlBoB: man find, look at the printf predicate |
| 13:57.39 | blenda | i'm trying to build theora-mmx with the command "fakeroot debian/rules binary". with libtheora-mmx-1.0alpha5 i get this error message: "cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/libtheora.so.0.0.0': No such file or directory" and with the subversion code i get a similar message: "cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/libtheora.so.0': No such file or directory" |
| 13:57.51 | Inge | anyone else have any ideas on what to do? |
| 13:57.56 | nm | re * |
| 13:58.05 | nm | have any GUI for wireless-tools (iwconfig) ? |
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| 14:00.02 | nm | !find nwepgen |
| 14:00.15 | cheal | nm: yes, for example kwifimanager |
| 14:00.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nwepgen' (1): (/sbin/nwepgen) in admin/linux-wlan-ng. |
| 14:00.22 | cheal | !tell nm about msg the bot |
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| 14:00.35 | SeicherlBoB | ok, thx. i'll try those |
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| 14:01.42 | elephantMan | goccias, ok thanx but i don't think we understand eachother. I just need the 'cp+other command' combination to copy a file according to its creation time. Is this what you are talking about ? I don't need a cron job on this, neither do i need to create a new dir each time. |
| 14:01.46 | yang | How can I check my ram if its working correctly...dmesg doesnt give me output |
| 14:02.01 | nm | cheal, thx sir |
| 14:02.03 | beardy | !memtest86 |
| 14:02.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, memtest86 is http://memtest86.com/ |
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| 14:02.50 | nm | sarge not have linux-wlan-ng package |
| 14:02.51 | nm | ? |
| 14:02.52 | beardy | yang: Check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+ |
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| 14:03.15 | yang | becouse i have 2x 256 sticks in the computer, but it only shows 1 |
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| 14:03.44 | bbrazil | yang: check the POST from the BIOS |
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| 14:05.39 | yang | bbrazil: where does that log go? |
| 14:05.52 | bbrazil | yang: it doesn't |
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| 14:06.03 | bbrazil | yang: reboot and watch |
| 14:06.04 | yang | bbrazil: i cant test that, its a remote server |
| 14:06.08 | bbrazil | yang: ah |
| 14:06.49 | yang | bbrazil: previoulsy it was recognised, but after i installed new kernel, it seems to be blocking |
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| 14:07.09 | yang | bbrazil: maybe they even took one RAM out |
| 14:07.14 | bbrazil | yang: thats odd, try the previous kernel? |
| 14:07.25 | goccias | elephantMan: you said this files are coming every 15 minute : so empty your incoming dir moving them in a date-dir or renaming them : a cronjob 0 12 yourscript,sh > /dev/null 2>&1 and a cp path/file dir-`date --date='today' +%y%m%d-%H%M` |
| 14:08.04 | goccias | something like this |
| 14:08.47 | goccias | elephantMan: is a one line bash script |
| 14:08.53 | beardy | elephantMan: Use ls to list files with a ceirtain creation time. Read the manual. Something like 'ls -la --time=ctime --sort=time' and some grep or awk perhaps? |
| 14:09.03 | SeicherlBoB | ok, bash again: Why is this not working: size = file /recover/$i -printf %k |
| 14:09.27 | SeicherlBoB | it says "Permission denied" |
| 14:09.33 | beardy | SeicherlBoB: There is a #bash too, just so you know. |
| 14:09.59 | SeicherlBoB | beardy: thx, maybe i should go and ask there |
| 14:10.20 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 14:10.21 | goccias | oh yes if you need ctime taht's better |
| 14:10.39 | Eclipser | which dhcpd would you recommend for private network? |
| 14:10.57 | blondie | apt-get install dhcpd |
| 14:10.58 | Eclipser | an easy one preferrably :) |
| 14:11.00 | blondie | that one |
| 14:11.05 | Eclipser | there's no dhcpd package :) |
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| 14:11.25 | Eclipser | ah, it's a virtual one |
| 14:11.29 | Eclipser | search didn't display it |
| 14:11.30 | blondie | oh, dhcp |
| 14:11.36 | blondie | ok |
| 14:11.59 | FlopsyPete | dhcp3-server |
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| 14:12.20 | Eclipser | FlopsyPete, is there any significant difference to the dhcp package? |
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| 14:13.28 | goccias | elephantMan: i have tons of cbs pages coming in and i reneme them this way : mv "indices.bit?page=2&target=Indices1Lev&isin=IS945" `date --date="today" "+%y%m%d-sp40_02_%H%M"` |
| 14:13.39 | goccias | .htmland so on |
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| 14:14.35 | goccias | elephantMan: take my crontab : 0 12,13,14,15,16 * * 1,2,3,4,5 cbs.sh > /dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 14:16.25 | kombi_ | how do you write a string to file again, cat something..? |
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| 14:16.40 | Guerin | kombi_: echo foo > file |
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| 14:17.24 | cahoot | kombi_: >> to add instead of overwrite |
| 14:17.31 | beardy | kombi_: >> to append |
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| 14:17.36 | beardy | !lose me |
| 14:17.36 | dpkg | beardy: You Lose. |
| 14:17.44 | kombi_ | Guerin cahoot beardy: thanks! |
| 14:17.53 | kombi_ | both kewl.. |
| 14:17.55 | ahattar | how I check if my NIC driver is working fine? |
| 14:18.10 | beardy | ahattar: ping somewhere? |
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| 14:18.40 | ahattar | that is the problem it did not get ip from the dhcp |
| 14:18.55 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 14:18.55 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
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| 14:20.01 | ahattar | dpkg u r the best |
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| 14:20.25 | ahattar | thnx beardy |
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| 14:21.17 | dpy | hi guys |
| 14:21.30 | beardy | ahattar: You're welcome. /msg dpkg u and r though.. |
| 14:21.47 | dpy | how do I allow root in debian to open X applications (xlogo) on a non-root X session |
| 14:21.58 | beardy | dpkg: su |
| 14:21.59 | dpkg | Password: |
| 14:22.05 | Guerin | i'm sorry dpy, I can't allow you to do that. |
| 14:22.16 | dpy | ? |
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| 14:22.51 | dpy | In mandriva I'm used to do: su, then give the password and then I can run xlogo, no problem |
| 14:23.03 | cahoot | dpy: sux or sudo |
| 14:23.04 | dpy | in debian this is not possible by default |
| 14:23.12 | s-toned | I've just noticed, that the module is pktcdvd, and not pkgcdvd, but, rgrep -i pktcdvd /usr/src/linux returns only 2 irrelevant entries |
| 14:23.38 | jason^ | so if a module is built into the kernel, it's always going to show up in lsmod and always be loaded? |
| 14:23.45 | Eulex | jason^, no |
| 14:23.48 | kapil | dpy: you need to get the auth entry for the current X server into root's .Xauthority file. Read the man page for xauth. |
| 14:23.53 | Eulex | jason^,umh, sorry, yes |
| 14:23.54 | ahattar | how u copy and paste in mirc? |
| 14:23.57 | beardy | jason^: No. A module isn'tbuilt into the kernel, for starters.. |
| 14:24.08 | dpy | cahoot: thanks dude |
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| 14:24.44 | beardy | jason^: If it's compiled in the kernel, it will always be available. |
| 14:25.00 | beardy | jason^: But lsmod only lists modules, not things that are available. |
| 14:25.13 | Eulex | jason^ & beardy, jason^'s talking about building something into the kernel that normally is a module. it will always be loaded then. though I dunno if it will always show up in lsmod |
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| 14:25.55 | Gnea | if it's built-in to the kernel then it will not show up in lsmod, simple as that. |
| 14:26.31 | beardy | Eulex: Then it isn't a module, it's built in. Things generally always can be built into the kernel, and some things has the secondary option of being compiled as a module. |
| 14:26.53 | Gnea | and some things operate better as modules and vice versa |
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| 14:27.14 | deadline | hi there, where can i get the source for the sarge netinstaller ? |
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| 14:27.52 | Mahmoud | hello trollers |
| 14:27.52 | dondelelcaro | deadline: from alioth.debian.org or svn.debian.org |
| 14:27.54 | beardy | deadline: The source? If you burn it or mount it, there you have it? |
| 14:28.17 | beardy | oh.. |
| 14:28.19 | Eulex | beardy, sure, but doing modprobe insert-module-name-of-something-that-is-built-into-the-kernel will still always succeed and will be treated as a no-op. |
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| 14:29.24 | deadline | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 14:30.24 | tengulre | HI,ALL |
| 14:30.25 | tengulre | !!! |
| 14:30.26 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 14:31.00 | tengulre | anybody building mail servers with debian, I m point telecom level! |
| 14:31.09 | deadline | dondelelcaro: cant find the files there, could you provide me a direct link maybe? |
| 14:31.14 | rebel` | wuzzup!!! |
| 14:31.36 | dondelelcaro | deadline: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i |
| 14:31.46 | KerPlunk | How can I get midnight commander to look like total commander in windows? |
| 14:31.52 | KerPlunk | Is there a theme or options I can setup? |
| 14:32.00 | KerPlunk | Anyone have a link to a guide about mc themes? |
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| 14:32.10 | Guerin | KerPlunk: wtf? |
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| 14:33.22 | rebel` | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 14:33.50 | dimir | :-0 |
| 14:33.52 | sussudio_ | !permasunday |
| 14:33.53 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 14:34.15 | KerPlunk | Guerin: huh? |
| 14:34.20 | deadline | dondelelcaro: thanks again. im sorry to harrass you. this seems to be all the sources located in a dir tree. is there a complete package containing the d-i sources? |
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| 14:34.27 | dondelelcaro | deadline: no. |
| 14:34.44 | dondelelcaro | deadline: it's an svn repository; get svn, point it at the repository, and get the sources. |
| 14:35.06 | Guerin | KerPlunk: whatever hints there are will be in TFM, but why you're asking a unix channel about a windows app is somewhat of a mystery to me. |
| 14:35.16 | deadline | dondelelcaro: oh. so the sources are only avail via svn? |
| 14:35.37 | dondelelcaro | deadline: unless someone has tarred up them from svn, yes. |
| 14:35.45 | deadline | dondelelcaro: what link do i exactly have to point svn to? |
| 14:35.54 | dondelelcaro | deadline: since that's where development is actually done, anything else is rather pointless. |
| 14:36.10 | dondelelcaro | deadline: |
| 14:36.10 | dondelelcaro | |
| 14:36.10 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.10 | dondelelcaro | |
| 14:36.15 | beardy | ? |
| 14:36.18 | deadline | ?? |
| 14:36.20 | dondelelcaro | gah... tab is out of control. |
| 14:36.21 | Guerin | !tell dondelelcaro about flood |
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| 14:36.27 | Eulex | haha |
| 14:36.37 | dondelelcaro | deadline: |
| 14:36.42 | dondelelcaro | svn://svn.debian.org/d-i/ |
| 14:36.49 | beardy | KerPlunk: mc -b, or not. |
| 14:36.53 | deadline | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 14:37.08 | dondelelcaro | deadline: again, see svn.debian.org; it's all spelled out there in painful detail. |
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| 14:37.33 | beardy | KerPlunk: Check the options, I don't know if the colors can be configured. |
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| 14:38.01 | iturk | hi there i am trying to install UML (User Mode Linux) i just dont know how to install the filesystem so after download it something like Debian-3.0r2.ext2.bz2 how should install it and when run linux that calls the UML tell him about the filesystem place ?!!! |
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| 14:38.16 | hairy_potter | shit, its been a real long time I've been here. |
| 14:38.22 | hairy_potter | is the debian project still alive? |
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| 14:38.27 | hairy_potter | :D |
| 14:38.58 | bizkit | hairy_potter: go shave yourself :) |
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| 14:39.11 | hairy_potter | bizkit: you mean, go save myself? ;) |
| 14:39.31 | deadline | dondelelcaro: one last idiotic question: whats the right syntax to fetch the svn sources ? (svn ____ svn://svn.debian.org/d-i/) |
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| 14:39.37 | hairy_potter | s/time I've been here/time since I've been here/ |
| 14:40.06 | deadline | lol |
| 14:40.08 | deadline | why? |
| 14:40.10 | dondelelcaro | deadline: svn help; man svn; are your friends. see svn checkout. |
| 14:40.30 | deadline | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks...especially for the last one :D |
| 14:40.55 | Guerin | famous_quote(deadlines,whooshing) |
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| 14:41.56 | Eulex | I like deadlines... especially the whoosing sound they do when they go by :) |
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| 14:42.07 | Guerin | !captain obvious Eulex |
| 14:42.16 | AciD | deadline > co |
| 14:42.27 | Eulex | haha |
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| 14:47.02 | xxenon | hi |
| 14:47.02 | nixie | can ext3 be shrunk, or does it only support growing? im looking at why this image i have doesn't want to be put on a 40GB hd. |
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| 14:47.20 | xxenon | what defines the smtp daemon being used to send emails when I use the "mail" command ? |
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| 14:47.40 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 14:47.45 | Guerin | xxenon: /usr/bin/sendmail |
| 14:48.22 | donfilipo | well i am glad to say your help worked fine now another question....i tried to accelerate 3d feature of my former graphic card and did not succsees it just did not work now i have radeon 9000 is there any chance to run let us say tux racer properly ...although this is not tje ultimate game i would (any millions of kids on the world( like to run |
| 14:48.36 | gypsymauro | suppose I want to add to my sources.list only the content of http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/fpc/ how I can write this in the sources.list file? |
| 14:48.57 | donfilipo | huh my typing sux |
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| 14:49.15 | dondelelcaro | gypsymauro: you can't, unfortunatly, because that directory does not have a packages file et al. |
| 14:49.50 | Guerin | gypsymauro: use apt-setup to add a sources line - if your package isn't available, then it's not in that branch of debian |
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| 14:50.58 | donfilipo | let me repeat i have debian:sarge and radeon 9000 pro and would like to enable 3d accelerating for some games |
| 14:50.59 | gypsymauro | dondelelcaro: in fact.. but I'm building a custom debian cd and I need just that packages not others.. and I'm writing a script to automatic download them, so I prefer to don't use an absolute reference :/ |
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| 14:51.42 | dondelelcaro | gypsymauro: so just download the exact packages that you need, and then use apt-ftparchive to build a Packages file as appropriate. |
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| 14:52.25 | nixie | donfilipo: you need to use the radeon module in your xserver configuration |
| 14:52.53 | nixie | donfilipo: try either dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg |
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| 14:53.05 | stew | donfilipo: what nixie said, but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select ati (which will detect that its a radeon) |
| 14:53.15 | gypsymauro | dondelelcaro: I don't want to do this ..wget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/fpc/fp-units-rtl_2.0.0-4_i386.deb..'cause maybe tomorrow there will be the 0-5 version and the scripts doesn't works anymore..there is something that let me download with a regular expression? something like wget site/fp-*_i386.deb? |
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| 14:53.29 | stew | nixie: (there is no radeon option available in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfre86, only ati) |
| 14:53.34 | nixie | oh |
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| 14:53.36 | nixie | im xorg :) |
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| 14:53.41 | Guerin | gypsymauro: use wget's ftp globbing functionality |
| 14:53.42 | fantomas | Hi. Does anyone use abcde encoder? I found it doesn't saves TAGs in FLACs :( Any indeas why or how to fix that? |
| 14:53.56 | donfilipo | i did i reconfigured it and now it works fine and the only choice i saw was ati generic card stew and nixie |
| 14:54.16 | donfilipo | i mean it works fine except 3d acceleration |
| 14:54.18 | nixie | donfilipo, well, if you want to be bold you could try the new xorg for sarge. it's experimental though. |
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| 14:54.28 | stew | donfilipo: yes, when x starts the ati driver it will detect you are running a radeon and load the radeon driver |
| 14:55.00 | stew | donfilipo: how are you determining that 3d accelleration isn't working? |
| 14:55.23 | dondelelcaro | gypsymauro: use the archive tools like grep-dctrl to do the work of parsing the upstream Packages.gz file for you. |
| 14:55.27 | nixie | donfilipo: type glxinfo | grep -i dri |
| 14:55.30 | dondelelcaro | gypsymauro: they will tell you what the newest version is. |
| 14:55.32 | nixie | no output = no 3d accel. |
| 14:55.33 | stew | nixie: i doubt the support for a 9000 is different in xfree vs. xorg |
| 14:55.33 | donfilipo | simple try to get more than 20 FPS on a simple game like Tux Racer |
| 14:56.05 | nixie | donfilipo: maybe your card can never do that |
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| 14:56.41 | donfilipo | oh of course it can when glide or direct x helps |
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| 14:56.56 | pitillo | donfilipo, I have two guides in my web to configure radeon chipsets cards with xfree and xorg, take a look http://lokalix.dyndns.org |
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| 14:57.21 | donfilipo | Tux racer is a simple game |
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| 14:58.40 | donfilipo | ok pitillo i will just a question before that...does your tux racer runs smooth? |
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| 15:00.31 | hairy_potter | In my script, I do a for i in $(ssh blah-host 'ls /foo/bar/*'); ... When I background this script, it stops waiting for tty input inspite of the fact that I don't need to supply password to ssh (I have keys setup). How can I work around this? (no, don't suggest 'screen' :) ) |
| 15:00.40 | pitillo | donfilipo, i have not installed tuxracer... only quake 3 and runs fine |
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| 15:01.33 | bibe | hairy_potter : are you sure that you are running the script as the user you want? |
| 15:01.34 | pitillo | donfilipo, around 1300 fps in glxgears with radeon and fglrx drivers |
| 15:01.47 | donfilipo | ok pitillo you could probably increase the number of linux users by 3x if they had your knowledge |
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| 15:02.29 | dondelelcaro | hairy_potter: uh... that works just fine here... so you've clearly got something else happening. |
| 15:02.54 | donfilipo | well i typed your string nixie and i got...OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 20040929 AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL |
| 15:02.57 | hairy_potter | bibe: The ssh must run as user foo, but foo doesn't have a local login shell and therefore I gotta do sudo -u foo ./script & |
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| 15:03.21 | hairy_potter | bibe: but yes, I don't have any 'password' supplying problems |
| 15:03.45 | hairy_potter | bibe: when I 'fg' the job, it continues to run without taking any inputs. |
| 15:03.46 | dondelelcaro | hairy_potter: and what happens when you sudo -u foo ssh blah-host 'ls /foo/bar/*'; ? |
| 15:04.07 | donfilipo | what does that mean nixie? |
| 15:04.14 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: it stops! |
| 15:04.24 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: but when I do fg, the dude runs fine. |
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| 15:04.35 | nixie | donfilipo: type glxinfo | grep direct. if it answers "direct rendering: yes", you're most likely already using the radeon (ati) modules |
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| 15:04.40 | dondelelcaro | hairy_potter: uh... the command that I *gave* you doesn't run in the background. |
| 15:05.00 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: why not? |
| 15:05.09 | dondelelcaro | hairy_potter: because there's no & there. |
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| 15:05.14 | bibe | hairy_potter : dondelelcaro did not supply any '&' at the end |
| 15:05.23 | DebianSpain | help!! error: SEGMENTATION FAULT what does it mean???? |
| 15:05.27 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: bibe: sorry, didn't notice that :) |
| 15:05.29 | Rapp | my /tmp gets cleaned on every boot. that is fine, but i need to exempt one directory under it from deletion. where can i configure that cleanly? |
| 15:05.32 | nixie | !es |
| 15:05.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:05.34 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: yeah, that runs just fine. without any inputs. |
| 15:05.39 | hairy_potter | hi dpkg :) |
| 15:05.41 | hairy_potter | hi apt :) |
| 15:05.42 | dondelelcaro | hairy_potter: and outputs what you would expect? |
| 15:05.52 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: yup |
| 15:05.59 | donfilipo | it says yes wait i will check my tuc racer again...wait nixie....thanks |
| 15:06.33 | dondelelcaro | hairy_potter: and likelwise ssh foo@blah-host asks for the password, right? |
| 15:06.54 | stew | Rapp: it sounds like whatever that directory is, really shouldn't be living in /tmp then. but anyway, you would have to edit the /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh script |
| 15:06.56 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: without sudo, yes. |
| 15:07.29 | dondelelcaro | hairy_potter: anyway, assuming you're actually using the proper user and everything, it doesn't require a tty, so it should complete properly. if you think it's a problem, specify -T |
| 15:07.41 | Rapp | stew, it is the .X11-unix directory. and i need to mount-bind it for a chroot... editing bootclean.sh seems a dirty way. because it will be overwritten by updates, wouldn't it? |
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| 15:08.02 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: ah, cool. will try that. thanks. |
| 15:08.17 | dondelelcaro | considering the fact that I have a few dozen scripts that do that without a TTY though, I suspect that you've got a problem in your setup somewhere. |
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| 15:09.13 | stew | Rapp: your other option is to change the TMPTIME in /etc/default/rcS, but that would affect all files in /tmp not just .X11-unix |
| 15:09.24 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: could it be due to the fact that I'm doing two sudos? (I run as user 'me'. I don't have a direct root shell. and I cannot run this script as user foo directly because I don't have the permissions). |
| 15:09.38 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: therefore, I do sudo sudo -u foo ssh host 'run some command' |
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| 15:09.58 | Rapp | stew, no, that wouldn't be good, i think... |
| 15:10.03 | dondelelcaro | hairy_potter: it's likely that you don't have the proper home directory set once you've setuid foo. |
| 15:10.07 | gypsymauro | I've installed grub on a machine that was using lilo there is a way to create the menu.lst automatically? (like when you install sarge?) |
| 15:10.30 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: yes, user 'me' doesn't have a homedir on local box. |
| 15:10.36 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: but how would that affect this? |
| 15:10.42 | Rapp | stew, is there something like boot.local or whatever on debian, where i could just mkdir the thing, after it got purged? suse et al have a few places to put local commands... |
| 15:11.54 | aimtrainer | Hi! This flash game doesn't run smoothly: http://media.putfile.com/curveball Anybody got an idea what I could do about it? And I'm warning you - It's addictive :) |
| 15:12.40 | hairy_potter | aimtrainer: interesting idea to start spreading viruses :) |
| 15:13.13 | hairy_potter | aimtrainer: I could just write a bot that types "Hi, this game is addictive. But can someone please help me in making it fast?"... |
| 15:13.31 | hairy_potter | aimtrainer: and the lusers will open it and get infected ;) |
| 15:13.51 | stew | Rapp: yes there is /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, but if you need a X specific directory to exist when x starts, it seems like /etc/X11/Xsession.d is a more appropriate place for a script |
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| 15:14.11 | bkw | I use xdm for logging in on my system. I wonder how it comes that 'direct rendering = no' sometimes and enabled other times. When it's disabled and I restart X it's enabled again. very strange. |
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| 15:14.21 | Rapp | stew, hm, ok. i'll take a look |
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| 15:14.32 | dukebody | hello anybody can $telnet pop3.telefonica.net 110? i'm having problems with my pop server and i don't know if there is a server problem or the problem is in my system- |
| 15:14.37 | nixie | aimtrainer: flash doesn't run smoothly on linux in general. |
| 15:15.15 | nixie | bkw: i need to first boot into windows before my DRI works. this is every time when i cold-boot my pc. |
| 15:15.19 | aimtrainer | so nothing I can do about it? |
| 15:15.26 | aimtrainer | nix4me |
| 15:15.28 | nixie | aimtrainer: slow flash performance? no. get a faster cpu |
| 15:15.30 | aimtrainer | ehm nixie |
| 15:15.35 | aimtrainer | damnit |
| 15:15.39 | aimtrainer | but thanks |
| 15:16.04 | bkw | nixie: very strange. |
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| 15:16.24 | Rapp | stew, or someone else, when does /etc/X11/Xsession.d get executed? will it be executed when the sockets in /tmp/.X11-unix are already running? |
| 15:16.42 | Rapp | s/running/existing/ |
| 15:17.13 | finn | after installing the base system from the netinstall and writing grub into the mbr, I reboot and get the error that I need to insert a system disk |
| 15:17.38 | finn | I think grub isn't being written into the mbr correctly.. what is there I can do to ensure this happening properly?? |
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| 15:17.49 | luis_ | hola |
| 15:17.53 | cortez_ | how do i make iptables load at boot? |
| 15:17.56 | luis_ | alguien que able español?? |
| 15:18.09 | finn | no luis_ |
| 15:18.43 | cheal | !es |
| 15:18.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 15:19.01 | dukebody | hola luis_ |
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| 15:20.55 | nertoa | I created /var/log/faillog, but nothing logs there when a login fails. Is it a package I have missing or what? |
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| 15:22.25 | Rapp | what do i have to do to get something under /etc/X11/Xsession.d executed? |
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| 15:22.34 | Rapp | or is there some error log for this? |
| 15:23.14 | Rapp | hm... is Xsession executed by kdm? |
| 15:23.17 | SimonRaven | afaik, just that it's set +x |
| 15:23.31 | SimonRaven | ~/.xsession-errors *dm's logs, console |
| 15:23.33 | Rapp | SimonRaven, the other files are all 0644 |
| 15:23.34 | stew | and make sure the file doesn't have a . in the name |
| 15:23.49 | Rapp | stew, it hasn't... |
| 15:23.50 | marculix | nertoa: faillog -u <username> |
| 15:23.54 | SimonRaven | ok |
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| 15:24.18 | Rapp | is /etc/X11/Xsession only executed when logging in? |
| 15:24.29 | hairy_potter | dondelelcaro: thanks man. I will do more research on this later... now time to head home! |
| 15:24.43 | Rapp | i remember something that debian only executes Xsession with a custom session, not with the default kde session... |
| 15:24.46 | beardy | Rapp: Yes, when else would it run? |
| 15:24.58 | Rapp | beardy, when the X server starts, for example. |
| 15:25.08 | _fred | Hi again! having a problem with my wireless card: just installed debian with kernel 2.6.8 everything was ok. moved to 2.6.12 and still no problem, but lost the sound. Reconfigured the ALSA drivers and sound came back. Though now can't seem to be able to connect to my wireless network. Drivers orinoco load but fail to recognize the wireless network specific commands. If I boot from previous kernel the wireless card connects ok, but X fails to start and the lap |
| 15:25.08 | _fred | hould be looking for? |
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| 15:25.39 | thnee | do i have to do something to make the system re-read the group file? i added a group and added myself and www-data to it and set a directory to chmod 770 and chgrp the_group_i_created but i dont get permissions on it? |
| 15:25.40 | Rapp | i need something which runs with root priviliges to mount --bind this /tmp/.X11-unix directory. so i guess Xsession stuff will be run as a user anyway... |
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| 15:25.50 | nertoa | marculix: but nothing is stored in the logfile |
| 15:25.54 | _rodrigo_ | _fred, have you purge the hotplug package? |
| 15:26.16 | SimonRaven | Rapp: it's called either 'default', 'custom' or 'debian' depending. else the system xsession file gets run. the former ~/.xsession gets run |
| 15:26.20 | donfilipo | well i am back nixie i succeded to freeze my comp 2 times and sorry it's not tux racer anymore now it's planertpinguin racer..(same gamer) simple and good for testing 3d capabilities...does anyone know another game to test on it maybe the game has bugs? |
| 15:26.26 | bbrazil | thnee: newgrp, or logout and log back in |
| 15:26.42 | thnee | but i cant logout and login with www-data? |
| 15:26.42 | _fred | oh.. well with 2.6.8 udev does not start of course. but to answer your question, no I haven purged anything. can u tell me more about that? |
| 15:26.51 | bbrazil | thnee: restart apache in that case |
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| 15:27.04 | Rapp | SimonRaven, thanks. so Xsession et al is not what i want. |
| 15:27.13 | beardy | repp: /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc perhaps, not sure though |
| 15:27.16 | Rapp | has anyone other ideas where i could do this stupid mount? :) |
| 15:27.20 | _rodrigo_ | _fred, try tu uninstall it with --purge and reinstall it (hotplug) |
| 15:27.25 | nertoa | marculix: sorry, i cant send messages because im not registred, but my permissions are 640. |
| 15:27.28 | Rapp | beardy, thanks, i will look at once |
| 15:27.33 | SimonRaven | Rapp: those are the system ones. you don't usually need to touch those ;) |
| 15:27.33 | thnee | bbrazil: thanks, that worked |
| 15:27.51 | Rapp | SimonRaven, but i have to :) |
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| 15:28.00 | _fred | so u recommend I uninstall udev and reinstall it right? (sorry quite new to all this) |
| 15:28.11 | Rapp | beardy, xinitrc is only run by startx, not applicable here. thanks, though. |
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| 15:28.22 | marculix | nertoa: init q to reinit getty |
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| 15:28.36 | beardy | repp: Ok. Does this have to be run when X starts, why not on boot? |
| 15:28.43 | bizkit | Rapp: write an init script |
| 15:28.44 | Rapp | beardy, on boot is fine too. |
| 15:28.47 | donfilipo | pixillio can you give me your page again i had to hard reset...3d works but not good so i lost your page now i will start it and give it to favorites |
| 15:28.53 | Rapp | bizkit, i wanted to avoid this.... |
| 15:29.06 | Rapp | ok, it has to run AFTER /tmp purge and BEFORE login... |
| 15:29.16 | beardy | Rapp: Do it in an @reboot cronjob. |
| 15:29.25 | _rodrigo_ | _fred, no, the hotplug package, I had a month ago similar troubles with network and Xs, another way it's simply uninstall udev |
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| 15:29.33 | bizkit | Rapp: why? it's as simple as writing it into any xsession, or as creating a @reboot cron entry |
| 15:29.36 | nertoa | marculix: I have already rebooted |
| 15:29.39 | Rapp | an init script *would* be fine, but it has to be on a dozen machines, and we want to keep new scripts to a minimum |
| 15:29.39 | beardy | Rapp: man crontab |
| 15:29.41 | nertoa | but not working |
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| 15:29.56 | _fred | ok thanks. I'm going to try that |
| 15:30.07 | Rapp | beardy, thanks. i didn't know about reboot entries in crontab. i'll look into it now. |
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| 15:30.24 | _rodrigo_ | _fred, please say if it worked |
| 15:30.28 | nertoa | marculix: and FAILLOG_ENAB is set to yes in /etc/login.defs |
| 15:30.29 | donfilipo | sory pittilio ...oh my my i would like your page again to set the graphic |
| 15:30.36 | SimonRaven | Rapp: @reboot is a GNUism |
| 15:30.37 | Rapp | beardy, oh, seems good, i hope :) |
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| 15:30.48 | Rapp | SimonRaven, ah, interesting. |
| 15:30.51 | beardy | repp: man 5 crontab, I meant. |
| 15:30.58 | deadline | hi there, where can i find a simple howto on creating a initrd image for my custom kernel? |
| 15:31.04 | Rapp | beardy, i supposed you meant that. |
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| 15:31.28 | Rapp | thanks everyone, i'll try the @reboot. |
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| 15:32.23 | marculix | nertoa: dpkg-reconfigure login (if nothing else works) |
| 15:32.29 | xaxes|free | afk |
| 15:32.41 | Guerin | deadline: build it with --initrd next time; else man mkinitrd |
| 15:32.47 | strider | deadline: use the --initrd option |
| 15:32.56 | Guerin | deadline: or better yet, just build it so it doesn't need an initrd |
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| 15:33.14 | marculix | nertoa: debian version? |
| 15:33.24 | nertoa | sarge 3.1 |
| 15:33.24 | deadline | Guerin: build with the --initrd option - when exactly? |
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| 15:34.08 | Guerin | deadline: make-kpkg --initrd --with-badgers --etc. |
| 15:34.13 | nertoa | im trying dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:34.28 | beardy | !enter |
| 15:34.28 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 15:34.35 | zophyx | did Britney Spears perform on new years eve ? |
| 15:34.48 | Guerin | zophyx: better question: does anyone actually give a fuck? |
| 15:34.50 | deadline | Guerin: with badgers? |
| 15:34.55 | Guerin | deadline: for instance. |
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| 15:35.12 | zophyx | is deadline your bot ? |
| 15:35.24 | Guerin | zophyx: ask him. |
| 15:35.29 | beardy | or why ask _here_ of all places? |
| 15:35.34 | beardy | !fgi zophyx |
| 15:35.36 | nertoa | marculix: nope, nothing in the file |
| 15:35.40 | deadline | Guerin: ok thanks |
| 15:35.45 | zophyx | deadline are you a Guerin bot ? |
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| 15:36.14 | zophyx | Britney uses Debian |
| 15:36.29 | deadline | zophyx: are you a Guerin bot ?: No such file or directory |
| 15:36.44 | donfilipo | help anyone is there another fine simple game with 3d acceleration like penguin racer for linux? |
| 15:36.57 | abrotman | donfilipo: happypenguin.org |
| 15:37.08 | abrotman | donfilipo: and apt-cache search tron |
| 15:37.14 | strider | supertux |
| 15:37.24 | Rapp | donfilipo, yep, armagetron rocks |
| 15:37.26 | beardy | zophyx: You're late, tardsday is over, now go away. |
| 15:38.34 | nertoa | is /var/log/faillog created by default at the installation of Debian? |
| 15:39.29 | donfilipo | ok apt-cache search tron ...i will type but must say supertux is probably the same as tux and penguin racer and that one froze my machine twice |
| 15:39.33 | beardy | nertoa: Probably created when needed. |
| 15:39.48 | finn | any ideas ?? |
| 15:39.57 | beardy | !any ideas |
| 15:39.57 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little vegemite, and a dozen starving dairy cows. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 15:40.14 | afabian | dpkg is the funniest bot ever. |
| 15:40.16 | beardy | !ask |
| 15:40.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 15:41.05 | thompa | hi |
| 15:41.38 | _fred | hi. Just back to say thank you. I installed hotplug (apt-get install hotplug) which removed udev and now i am connecting wireless fine! |
| 15:42.08 | thompa | _fred: can i ask, what the wireless is? |
| 15:42.09 | Temple | Did anyone ever try porting some boot layout like Gentoo's or Red Hat's to Debian? |
| 15:42.30 | elephantMan | How can i copy one file every 10 in a list ? |
| 15:42.38 | beardy | Temple: Hopefully not. |
| 15:42.51 | bizkit | elephantMan: what? |
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| 15:43.05 | Temple | Hahaha. A black-and-white screen fan? :) |
| 15:43.05 | thompa | _fred:i ve got some wireless issues, is it ipw2200? |
| 15:43.07 | beardy | elephantMan: with a script |
| 15:43.11 | nm | !find irattach |
| 15:43.17 | _fred | yes.. it's a Prism 2.5 on a X30 IBM laptop |
| 15:43.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'irattach' (1): (/usr/sbin/irattach, /usr/share/doc/irda-utils/ChangeLog.irattach) in utils/irda-utils. |
| 15:43.27 | _fred | using orinoco drivers |
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| 15:43.36 | elephantMan | bizkit, i have a list of hundreds of files (6000). I want to copy one image every 100. Its to make a movie with those images |
| 15:43.46 | thompa | _fred: thanks |
| 15:44.07 | donfilipo | is pitillo still here? |
| 15:44.17 | thompa | im getting segmentation fault right after udev on boot of live debian based cd |
| 15:44.18 | _fred | you're welcome |
| 15:44.22 | _fred | what are ur issues? |
| 15:44.29 | nanok | elephantMan: for i in seq 1 100 600 ; do.. ; done ;) |
| 15:44.30 | pitillo | donfilipo, yes im here |
| 15:44.34 | _fred | I found out some stuff over the last few days actually |
| 15:44.42 | thompa | its a new hp pavilion desktop\ |
| 15:44.57 | thompa | i need to find some info on how to install linux on them |
| 15:45.00 | bizkit | thompa: #knoppix |
| 15:45.06 | thompa | kanotix |
| 15:45.11 | beardy | Temple: What's there to "port"? Just configure your bootloader if you want to spend your time that way. |
| 15:45.16 | donfilipo | can you give me your page again i think i have some problems that 3d penguin froze my comp 2x |
| 15:45.18 | thompa | all the distros are not installing |
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| 15:45.28 | bizkit | !laptop |
| 15:45.28 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 15:45.31 | thompa | ive done it 100s of times |
| 15:45.36 | thompa | but this is new |
| 15:45.51 | nanok | thompa: try noacpi pnpbios=off for starters |
| 15:45.52 | _fred | thompa: have you tried a live CD distro? |
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| 15:45.55 | Rapp | SimonRaven, stew, et al: the @reboot worked great. thanks a lot! better than having a new script for such a small task... |
| 15:45.56 | thompa | i put in cd and get udev message, then segmentation fault |
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| 15:46.19 | _fred | well seems udev is not that clean yet... |
| 15:46.22 | thompa | nanok: i have not tries pnpbios=off |
| 15:46.22 | nanok | thompa: but it does seem to be rather distro related, a debian install might not cause any trouble ;) |
| 15:46.28 | thompa | ok |
| 15:46.35 | elephantMan | nanok, ok cool thanx a lot |
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| 15:46.39 | thompa | kanotix chat is very busy |
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| 15:46.54 | pitillo | donfilipo, http://lokalix.dyndns.org there is an english version |
| 15:46.55 | thompa | they just got a new release and i dont want to bother them |
| 15:47.01 | donfilipo | thanks |
| 15:47.04 | Guerin | thompa: tough titties |
| 15:47.13 | finn23 | anybody? |
| 15:47.14 | Guerin | thompa: #kanotix is the place to ask, not here. |
| 15:47.17 | thompa | ok |
| 15:47.26 | beardy | !anybody |
| 15:47.26 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:47.29 | pitillo | donfilipo, nothing man, I guess it can help you |
| 15:47.34 | beardy | !tell finn23 -about ask |
| 15:47.35 | SimonRaven | Rapp: i like it |
| 15:47.47 | _fred | thompa: what are the drivers required by your card? do u know? |
| 15:47.47 | thompa | im trying to find some general options for installing debian |
| 15:47.59 | cat | thompa: www.debian.org/doc |
| 15:47.59 | thompa | not kanotix |
| 15:48.03 | finn23 | !tell beardy -about I already did, but was ignored |
| 15:48.05 | cat | and read the installation |
| 15:48.12 | beardy | !install guide |
| 15:48.12 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 15:48.13 | thompa | ok |
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| 15:48.41 | thompa | i have an extra recovery partition, can i leave that intact? |
| 15:49.18 | _fred | thompa: i tell you how i did mine. I remember reading I could not install from the net using the wireless card. though I download the 100MB ISO image, burnt a CD and install with the linux26 option at start-up... then all went like a breath directly from the wireless card |
| 15:49.26 | Guerin | thompa: you have my permission, though why you'd want to is somewhat beyond me |
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| 15:49.49 | beardy | finn23: "If you don't get an answer, ask _later_" saying "anybody?" does little good |
| 15:49.52 | thompa | Guerin: i need to dual boot |
| 15:49.59 | Guerin | thompa: you poor bastard |
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| 15:50.01 | thompa | actually its a freinds pc not mine |
| 15:50.36 | beardy | finn23: Not with that nick you didn't. |
| 15:50.41 | thompa | he can only do formsrus.com forms in internet explorer |
| 15:50.59 | zip | hi all |
| 15:51.32 | thompa | i am going to go through the bios carefully, and also try various bios options. |
| 15:51.50 | thompa | what does segmentation fault usually mean anyway? |
| 15:52.05 | zip | I am interested in Debian installation procedure , I want to remaster some stuff , is there any document like specification that explains dvd structure and installation procedure..... |
| 15:52.06 | Guerin | thompa: it means: |
| 15:52.10 | asg | thompa: /msg dpkg segv |
| 15:52.14 | Guerin | !fgi thompa segmentation+fault |
| 15:52.14 | dpkg | thompa: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=segmentation+fault |
| 15:52.19 | Eulex | thompa, that something somewhere went wrong |
| 15:52.37 | thompa | thanks |
| 15:52.54 | finn23 | beardy, with the nick "finn" I did |
| 15:52.58 | thompa | im going to try debian next, i have a magazine cd here |
| 15:53.06 | beardy | finn23: ok |
| 15:53.14 | zip | anyone to help????? |
| 15:53.37 | Guerin | !custom d-i |
| 15:53.37 | dpkg | [custom d-i] http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 15:53.42 | Guerin | zip: ! |
| 15:53.43 | finn23 | I'll just ask again with this nick, so nobody is confused. |
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| 15:53.47 | finn23 | after installing the base system from the netinstall and writing grub into the mbr, I reboot and get the error that I need to insert a system disk |
| 15:53.51 | finn23 | I think grub isn't being written into the mbr correctly.. what is there I can do to ensure this happening properly?? |
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| 15:54.17 | Guerin | finn23: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 15:54.32 | Usiu | Is there any gtk2 based program for backingup my dvd film into divx ? |
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| 15:55.10 | finn23 | dpkg So you installed windows after debian, huh? << no |
| 15:55.18 | finn23 | I was installing the netinstall |
| 15:55.28 | kapil | Usiu: vlc can "play" your dvd into a file --- probably not divx though. |
| 15:55.32 | finn23 | so grub is the last programm that wrote into the mbr |
| 15:56.18 | Eulex | Usiu, mencoder can do that, though it's not a gtk2 program. why do you need it to be a gtk2 app, btw? |
| 15:56.58 | Usiu | Eulex, I want sth easy to use.. |
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| 15:57.24 | Phated | finn23: Boot with d-i, get a shell (alt-F2), mount your root partition somewhere, chroot into it, grub-install. |
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| 15:57.54 | finn23 | ok |
| 15:57.58 | zip | dpkg: tnx |
| 15:57.58 | dpkg | Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it? |
| 15:58.05 | donfilipo | ok pitillo i have a question there was i an ati as a driver and strange "UseFBDev"...."true" in my xorg.conf file and still my 3d seemed to be enabled??? |
| 15:58.05 | Phated | Heh. |
| 15:58.07 | Usiu | Eulex, drip has too many gnome 1.4 dependences... |
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| 15:58.07 | sussudio_ | pwned |
| 15:58.17 | sussudio_ | !britsnack |
| 15:58.18 | Phated | Eh, sussudio_. Long time. |
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| 15:59.28 | donfilipo | although i froze but for a second it worked....now i wonder about this radeon driver compiled in kernel can i check that somehow? |
| 15:59.57 | pitillo | donfilipo, I dont understand your question, you are using the ati driver with fb active... I had problems with all drivers and fb with radeon chipsets |
| 16:00.05 | Eulex | Usiu, umh.... gnome 1.4? |
| 16:00.25 | Eulex | Usiu, mencoder will do it very well if you give it the right command line params. get it from marillat. |
| 16:00.52 | Usiu | Eulex, I have mencoder.. |
| 16:00.53 | donfilipo | pitillo i just wonder what does that fb mean is it FrameBuffer or what? |
| 16:00.58 | pitillo | donfilipo, see that I explain the use of radeon driver and fglrx driver |
| 16:01.06 | Usiu | Eulex, but I am to lazy to read whole manual.. |
| 16:01.09 | kbrooks | donfilipo, i think so |
| 16:01.14 | pitillo | donfilipo, yes, its framebuffer |
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| 16:01.45 | donfilipo | and pitillo how can i check if i have radeon driver simehove in my sistem? |
| 16:03.07 | donfilipo | before i reboot and my system tells me it can not start x server cause now i changed driver in radeon and agp to 4x? just like your page says |
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| 16:04.00 | pitillo | donfilipo, lsmod and see if it is loaded, if it isn?t, check if you had compile it and if it isn?t too, recompile your kernel or use the fglrx driver |
| 16:04.06 | hithere | how do i write a script in perl or ssh monitoring is if a service ip up, via 'telnet port' |
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| 16:04.16 | obtix | ok, how to i make it soo when a drive in my fstab is mounted as another user (when it is constantly mounted as root it is messing up some of my scp transfers) |
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| 16:05.02 | deadline | hi all, has somebody tried this howto: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerModify if yes, please help me understand the part under 'files and hooks' |
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| 16:06.35 | zophyx | files are used to sharpen hooks |
| 16:06.59 | donfilipo | ismod? recompile kernel? ok i have a lot to learn....i sure have not recompiled any kernel yet..pitillo i thimk it is better to change my xorg.conf again as it was |
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| 16:07.35 | aimtrainer | Can I update a package via synaptic/apt which I have compiled? |
| 16:07.42 | deadline | zophyx: i dont get the whole files part...where do i have to check this out exactly? |
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| 16:07.52 | beardy | finn23: If after you have tried what Phated said, and it doesn't fix it, consider trying lilo instead of grub. |
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| 16:10.30 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 16:10.47 | deadline | zophyx: i found the files, actually i only want to add a custom kernel image to the .iso can you help me a little bit out? |
| 16:11.04 | eguzkia | hello |
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| 16:11.33 | Eclipser | I'm having trouble with audigy2 line-in as in can't get to hear the sound which is supposed to be inputted in it |
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| 16:12.50 | aimtrainer | Hi can anyone tell me if I can update a package via synaptic/apt which I have compiled? |
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| 16:13.10 | nkuttler | aimtrainer: what? |
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| 16:13.42 | aimtrainer | I m not sure if I can update amule via synaptic because in the first place I compiled it |
| 16:13.46 | aimtrainer | nkuttler |
| 16:13.56 | nkuttler | aimtrainer: of course not... |
| 16:13.59 | secher | I have a 4.5G img file I need to write to DVD. will dd do that for me, or is there another utility I need to use? |
| 16:14.00 | shevegen | Hi, i have a question. I have two hdd on another machine, one runs debian, the other is empty. Can i "clone" the existing debian distribution by just doing cp -r onto the 2nd hdd? |
| 16:14.05 | tjansson | I installed phpmyadmin but i can't login with my usual root and root pw |
| 16:14.11 | aimtrainer | ok good I thing I asked before doing it |
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| 16:14.53 | nkuttler | aimtrainer: well, it depends on how you compiled it... |
| 16:14.59 | zip | quit |
| 16:15.01 | secher | differently put, can I use dd to expand a .img file to dvd? |
| 16:15.35 | nkuttler | shevegen: um, not really |
| 16:15.40 | AciD | shevegen > you don't want to use that method |
| 16:15.53 | AciD | try partimage, dar or dd |
| 16:15.56 | LiGhTeNiN | I just installed debian base system with netinstall cd, so I tried to boot: loading grub.. error 21, so I went to windows recovery console and did fixmbr |
| 16:16.11 | cbr | during the debian installation can you somehow manually specify the network card? |
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| 16:16.30 | secher | Acid: nkuttler: Thanks much. |
| 16:16.30 | aimtrainer | nkuttler can't tell. I more or less did what someone on the irc told me... |
| 16:16.33 | shevegen | okay |
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| 16:16.40 | streuner | cbr: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 16:16.59 | nkuttler | aimtrainer: don't type command somebody told you without understanding them |
| 16:17.13 | cbr | streuner: while in the debian-installer |
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| 16:17.23 | mikejn1 | how do I convert a tar.gz to .deb? |
| 16:17.31 | secher | oh, not for me.. thought that was a tab completion muck up. |
| 16:17.35 | streuner | cbr: sure, if you using DHCP it should detect the NIC auto |
| 16:17.37 | nkuttler | mikejn1: basically... you don't |
| 16:17.43 | aimtrainer | nkuttler it was someone I knew but thanks :) |
| 16:17.44 | nkuttler | mikejn1: which .tar.gz? |
| 16:17.54 | streuner | cbr: and setup interfaces |
| 16:17.59 | cbr | streuner: the problem is that the NIC does not get detected |
| 16:18.11 | cbr | streuner: but i have a hunch which driver would work |
| 16:18.12 | streuner | cbr: what NIC do you have? |
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| 16:18.29 | cbr | streuner: it's not mine but i think it's a nForce one.. so forcedeth should work |
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| 16:18.57 | mikejn1 | scribus.tar.gz is the program I am trying to get working |
| 16:19.00 | nkuttler | cbr: go to a shell and load the module? |
| 16:19.15 | nkuttler | mikejn1: what's wrong with the version in debian? |
| 16:19.16 | cbr | nkuttler: during the debian-installer? |
| 16:19.22 | streuner | cbr: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 16:19.23 | nkuttler | cbr: yes |
| 16:19.28 | cbr | nkuttler: how |
| 16:19.37 | finn23 | how can I find out what dev hda3 is? |
| 16:19.39 | mikejn1 | I did not know there was one?? |
| 16:19.48 | nkuttler | mikejn1: apt-get install scribus |
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| 16:20.02 | cbr | streuner: what do you mean? |
| 16:20.12 | mikejn1 | ok.. Now I feel dumb :-) |
| 16:20.23 | AciD | mikejn1 > before searching source on the web, try using apt-cache search the_package_name |
| 16:20.33 | streuner | cbr: are you using a 2.4.x kernel or 2.6.x? |
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| 16:20.49 | mikejn1 | I trhought I tried that.. maybe I just missed it.. |
| 16:20.50 | cbr | streuner: on the installer? |
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| 16:20.53 | mikejn1 | *thought |
| 16:21.22 | nkuttler | cbr: ctrl-alt-f1 iirc... not sure. there should be a go to shell option in the menu |
| 16:21.39 | mikejn1 | ok I found it... Thanks for the help |
| 16:22.06 | nkuttler | mikejn1: you can apt-cache search foo to find things |
| 16:22.12 | cbr | nkuttler: and loading modules on the background of the installation process works like that? |
| 16:22.28 | nkuttler | cbr: why don't you try it? |
| 16:22.39 | abrotman | finn23: it's /dev/hda3 :) |
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| 16:23.22 | mikejn1 | ok.. I was doing that looking for a desktop publishing program.. I did not think to look specifically for the scribus namm |
| 16:23.34 | maxxle | Hi! I'm wirking with Kile. I try to configure the editor so that if I make start a paragraph lets say 4 Tabs indented all lines of the paragraph start 4 Tabs idented. How can I configure this? |
| 16:23.35 | mikejn1 | *name |
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| 16:23.59 | finn23 | abrotman, "ls /dev" doesn't show it |
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| 16:24.05 | cbr | is 2.6 the default for sarge or is the "linux26" line needed? |
| 16:24.12 | abrotman | finn23: are you sure it's there ? |
| 16:24.20 | dvs | cbr: linux26 is needed |
| 16:24.22 | stew | cbr: 2.4 is the default for sarge |
| 16:24.25 | abrotman | finn23: cat /proc/partitions |
| 16:24.27 | mikejn1 | again thanks for the help |
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| 16:25.51 | finn23 | /proc/partitions is empty |
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| 16:26.12 | abrotman | finn23: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 16:27.07 | abrotman | finn23: dmesg | grep hda |
| 16:27.10 | finn23 | /bin/sh: fdisk: not found |
| 16:27.19 | abrotman | finn23: are you running linux ? |
| 16:27.24 | stew | finn23: are you root? |
| 16:27.26 | abrotman | finn23: and are you root ? |
| 16:27.35 | finn23 | I'm running the debian netintsall |
| 16:27.52 | finn23 | and got a shell by "alt & f2" |
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| 16:28.15 | nkuttler | finn23: it's /sbin/fdisk |
| 16:28.30 | kspath | abrotman: do you sleep sometimes? |
| 16:28.37 | Hooke | hi! I'm trying to re-install synaptic, because it suddenly disappeared after the last update. "apt-get install synaptic" doesn't work. why could it be? |
| 16:28.49 | dvs | kspath: No, he's a bot |
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| 16:28.57 | nkuttler | Hooke: man apt-get, search for reinstall |
| 16:29.01 | stew | finn23: in that case you wouldn't have /dev/hdXX, you would have /dev/ide/bus0/blahblahblah/part2 or somehting |
| 16:29.02 | Trell_Work | guys i need some help trying to compile Evolution on debian, it keeps complaining about Package requirements (atk) wer not met, what package do i apt-get install to solve this? |
| 16:29.30 | stew | Hooke: what do you mean by "apt-get install synaptic doesn't work" what happens? do you get an error? |
| 16:29.31 | tarzeau | Trell_Work: apt-get build-dep |
| 16:30.23 | Hooke | stew, my debian is in spanish, I'll translate: "package synaptic not availabe, but some other package refers to it. This may mean that the package is missing, obsolete or only available from some other source. The package synaptic has no candidate for its installation" |
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| 16:31.04 | Trell_Work | build-dep for what package? |
| 16:31.26 | nkuttler | Trell_Work: the one you're trying to build... |
| 16:31.34 | stew | Hooke: paste your sources.list into a pastebin somewhere |
| 16:31.40 | Trell_Work | i have not found a deb package for the latest evolution therefor i'm having to use .src.tgz |
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| 16:31.48 | stew | Hooke: what version of debian are you running |
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| 16:32.42 | Hooke | stew, debian testing for amd64 |
| 16:33.00 | zebalin2 | Is there a simple command to display the make/model of motherboard? |
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| 16:33.33 | AciD | lshw ? |
| 16:34.00 | tarzeau | hwinfo |
| 16:34.17 | tarzeau | Trell_Work: you're on sarge? |
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| 16:34.26 | tarzeau | Trell_Work: even oldstable had evolution |
| 16:35.01 | Trell_Work | this one has it but the version is 2.0.4 |
| 16:35.07 | stew | Hooke: there appears to be no synaptic in testing for amd64 for the moment |
| 16:35.10 | Trell_Work | i have a need for the latest version 2.4.2.1 |
| 16:35.25 | stew | Hooke: you could backport sid's or install sid's synaptic or wait |
| 16:35.33 | Trell_Work | i dont know debian, and was given this to make it work for an employee |
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| 16:35.47 | resiak | !info evolution sid |
| 16:35.48 | finn23 | I found myself a live cd... hopefully it'll work with it |
| 16:35.50 | dpkg | evolution: (The groupware suite), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-5 (sid), Packaged size: 9181 kB, Installed size: 25760 kB |
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| 16:35.55 | abrotman | kspath: yes .. why ? |
| 16:36.04 | zebalin2 | hwinfo has a lot of info but does not seem to tell me what Intel mobo I have. |
| 16:36.09 | resiak | Trell_Work: apt-get build-dep evolution will get you all the packages needed to build from source. |
| 16:36.15 | Trell_Work | k |
| 16:36.22 | Hooke | stew, http://rafb.net/paste/results/EkPSuh32.html |
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| 16:36.57 | Trell_Work | You must put some 'source' URI's in your sources.list |
| 16:37.14 | kspath | !abrotman sleep ? |
| 16:37.15 | Trell_Work | got a list handy :) |
| 16:37.15 | Hooke | stew, this is most strange, because I had synaptic until a few days ago :P |
| 16:37.29 | abrotman | Hooke: could be the C++ ABI change |
| 16:37.40 | abrotman | kspath: are you bored .. and od you know perl ? |
| 16:37.40 | stew | Hooke: this is not suprising, packages get temporarily removed from testing all of the time |
| 16:37.46 | kspath | abrotman: just messing with you /me runs for the hill |
| 16:38.05 | abrotman | Hooke: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=synaptic |
| 16:38.08 | donfilipo | hey pitillo it works i do not know how (it's probably worth considering) i did not mess with kernel i just changed xorg.conf file it works fine at least armagetron does that tux racer still doesn't |
| 16:38.11 | pitillo | donfilipo, try to probe the radeon driver and see if it have been compiled to your kernel: modprobe radeon and change your xorg configuration file to use that driver |
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| 16:38.16 | resiak | Trell_Work: Duplicate all the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, with deb-src rather than deb |
| 16:38.19 | Hooke | oh, I see :P what a pity, I was very happy with synaptic,hehe |
| 16:38.26 | abrotman | Hooke: it's easy to check why |
| 16:38.32 | Trell_Work | ok |
| 16:38.33 | abrotman | !why is synaptic not in testing |
| 16:38.33 | dpkg | synaptic is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=synaptic |
| 16:38.42 | Hooke | abrotman, how do you check that? |
| 16:38.47 | kspath | abrotman: I know a little perl I am not a guru |
| 16:39.01 | abrotman | kspath: i was going to ask you to fix the packages.d.o search page :) |
| 16:39.09 | donfilipo | ok pitillo modprobe radeon it is...let us see |
| 16:39.22 | kspath | abrotman: might be able to do that would have to see it |
| 16:39.41 | Hooke | dpkg, ok, I'll check |
| 16:39.44 | abrotman | Hooke: well .. it seems to have built .. they're just waiting . give it a few days |
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| 16:40.02 | abrotman | Hooke: you could try to grab the package from unstable |
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| 16:40.13 | donfilipo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.13 | donfilipo | bash: modprobe: command not found |
| 16:40.19 | abrotman | Hooke: http://amd64.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/synaptic/synaptic_0.57.6+b1_amd64.deb ... |
| 16:40.24 | samuel | anyone know how to get automount to work on debian? |
| 16:40.26 | donfilipo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.29 | pitillo | donfilipo, try it with root |
| 16:40.34 | abrotman | donfilipo: are you root? |
| 16:40.42 | donfilipo | > modprobe radeon bash: modprobe: command not found |
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| 16:40.55 | samuel | ive got kde and udev and hal but automount does not seem to work |
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| 16:41.10 | donfilipo | ok root console...here it goes |
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| 16:41.19 | SEJeff | donfilipo, /sbin/modprobe radeon |
| 16:41.24 | Hooke | abrotman, I've never installed a package that way.. I'll see if I can |
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| 16:41.44 | darkness_ | Hi, anyone here doing an IT course with the open University? Or is this off topic. |
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| 16:42.24 | pitillo | donfilipo, in a normal console try su and your root password |
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| 16:43.05 | debianmephisto | has anyone used the live debian cd iso |
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| 16:43.12 | donfilipo | it doesn matter i am in root console and now nothing i typed both and nothing???? |
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| 16:43.25 | dvs | debianmephisto: no such thing |
| 16:43.25 | snowgoose | got a printer how i set it up? |
| 16:43.59 | zebalin2 | Anyone know about 2.6.14-5 kernel bug such that with some Intel chipsets it can't see a second SATA drive (sdb)? |
| 16:44.02 | debianmephisto | ive got an iso here, im itching to use |
| 16:44.08 | abrotman | Hooke: dpkg -i <pkg> |
| 16:44.18 | abrotman | debianmephisto: they don't exist |
| 16:44.21 | pitillo | donfilipo, you need the module-init-tools I think |
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| 16:44.39 | abrotman | zebalin2: bts ? |
| 16:44.51 | abrotman | debianmephisto: there is no such thing as a debian liveCD .. |
| 16:45.03 | stew | donfilipo: you mean you typed "modprobe radeon" and it printed nothing, just gave you another prompt? |
| 16:45.04 | zebalin2 | abrotman: bts? please explain. |
| 16:45.06 | abrotman | debianmephisto: there are distributions derived from debian that have liveCDs |
| 16:45.12 | abrotman | !tell zebalin2 about bts |
| 16:45.24 | abrotman | debianmephisto: but they are not debian |
| 16:45.31 | nanok | abrotman: well, the install cd is more or less live, depending on your deffinition of live ;) |
| 16:45.37 | snowgoose | i tried test print page nothing came out.? can i se serail caabel? or do i need usb? |
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| 16:45.38 | donfilipo | i typed modprobe radeon it just did not retrun anything |
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| 16:45.41 | debianmephisto | the site, i admit, wasnt officially debian but thats all they called it...a 60 Mb "Live Debian Cd |
| 16:45.42 | abrotman | nanok: can't do much with it :) |
| 16:45.44 | snowgoose | heeellp |
| 16:45.47 | zebalin2 | abrotman: oh, thanks. I'll check it out. |
| 16:45.47 | dvs | donfilipo: that's good |
| 16:45.56 | abrotman | debianmephisto: what site ? |
| 16:45.58 | debianmephisto | lemme grab the http again.... |
| 16:46.01 | nanok | abrotman: you have a shell.. what else doea one need? |
| 16:46.03 | nanok | :P |
| 16:46.17 | pitillo | donfilipo, then lsmod and see if it was loaded |
| 16:46.17 | Daveman | how's it going abrotman? |
| 16:46.34 | abrotman | i'm at work! |
| 16:46.37 | donfilipo | what is Ismod? |
| 16:46.45 | abrotman | nanok: well .. it's a limited shell .. dash iirc |
| 16:46.56 | abrotman | nanok: it's posix compliant .. and that's about it :) |
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| 16:47.13 | pitillo | donfilipo, Lsmod, shows the modules loaded |
| 16:47.54 | Daveman | abrotman: hooray! |
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| 16:48.15 | Hooke | abrotman, wow, it worked ,thanks! :) |
| 16:48.25 | nanok | abrotman: my point exactlly :) |
| 16:48.28 | zebalin2 | abrotman: bts does not seem to have kernel bugs listed... or I can't find them. Thanks anyway. |
| 16:48.30 | donfilipo | aha Lsmod ok let us see.. |
| 16:48.42 | abrotman | Hooke: happy?! |
| 16:48.51 | debianmephisto | http://xs.qapla.org/ |
| 16:48.52 | abrotman | zebalin2: which kernel version ? dpkg -l |
| 16:49.00 | Hooke | abrotman, very,hehehe, thanks |
| 16:49.02 | debianmephisto | like i said, not official deb, ahem |
| 16:49.05 | stew | zebalin2: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:49.05 | abrotman | zebalin2: linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 ? |
| 16:49.11 | zebalin2 | 2.6.14-5 |
| 16:49.13 | Hooke | (thanks to all) |
| 16:49.23 | zebalin2 | 686 |
| 16:49.27 | stew | zebalin2: bts would only have bugs related to debian packages, not to stuff you compiled yourself |
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| 16:49.53 | abrotman | zebalin2: dpkg -l | grep linux-image-2.6.14 |
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| 16:49.59 | donfilipo | radeon is loaded man how i hot it i do not know...does it compiles itself or was it when i instales ati drivers for linux from their site |
| 16:50.17 | zebalin2 | I'm told that there is a kernel bug in this version that will be fixed in 2.6.15. Won't let intel 8x0 see sdb. |
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| 16:50.32 | zebalin2 | I'm trying to track it down. |
| 16:50.32 | abrotman | zebalin2: oh .. you already know this ? |
| 16:50.42 | abrotman | zebalin2: ah .. the kernel.org has a BTS of sorts .. |
| 16:50.51 | zebalin2 | abrotman: I've been told by someone I trust. |
| 16:50.58 | abrotman | zebalin2: ask #kernelnewbies ? |
| 16:51.02 | pitillo | donfilipo, radeon driver must be compiled like a module with a kernel, if you had the kernel installed with the system, it hads radeon like a module compiled, and you can use it |
| 16:51.11 | abrotman | zebalin2: or check the changelogs at kernel.org |
| 16:51.22 | zebalin2 | abrotman: good idea. |
| 16:51.38 | abrotman | zebalin2: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 ... etc |
| 16:51.52 | pitillo | donfilipo, if you change your X.org configuration file now and put the driver radeon it X.org must use it |
| 16:51.53 | samuel | hello all, anyone here run kde? ive got udev and hal on my sistem besides kde but i dont know what else i may need to automount devices, any ideas please? |
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| 16:52.21 | dvs | samigaru: pmount |
| 16:52.28 | debianmephisto | hotplug |
| 16:52.29 | donfilipo | man i must improve my typing but not now i am too exited...you mean when you intall linux it actualy compiles the modules for your 3d graphics himself? |
| 16:52.41 | zebalin2 | This is 'wrong group' as this is not debian (pure) but a derriviate that says it is 99% compatible. The new release won't let me install to sdb, only sda. They told me its a kernel bug with some Intel mobos. |
| 16:52.43 | nm | i have ipw2100 module, but i don't know how to disable it auto modeprobe when start ?? pls help me |
| 16:52.56 | raboof | i'm running a home-compiled 2.4 kernel on a box that has since been upgraded to 3.1. Would it be reasonable to move to a debianized kernel image (latest seems to be 2.6) or should i just home-compile one (latest on kernel.org seems to be 2.6.14.5)? |
| 16:53.04 | Anyone | I wonder how to get a hauppauge tv-card working. Anyone helpful about that? Scantv gives an error: "device has no tuner, exiting |
| 16:53.04 | Anyone | " |
| 16:53.09 | zebalin2 | I want to know if this is a linux kernel bug or a debianl kernel bug. |
| 16:53.18 | Hooke | (stew, thanks, nkuttler thanks) |
| 16:53.25 | dvs | 3.1? |
| 16:53.45 | Anyone | tarzeau, you here? |
| 16:53.46 | pitillo | donfilipo, when you install any distribution, it has a kernel image installed, and this image has a lot of support for all machines. This support meens a lot of module loaded and compiled with that image |
| 16:54.10 | tarzeau | Anyone: yes? |
| 16:54.10 | raboof | dvs: sarge (sorry, forgot the name and just looked in /etc/debian_version :)) |
| 16:54.15 | Anyone | 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Winfast TV2000 XP (rev 05) |
| 16:54.15 | stew | Anyone: did you compile the ivtv module? can you load it and get no errors in dmesg? |
| 16:54.22 | Anyone | ivtv? |
| 16:54.23 | donfilipo | pitillo you were away...looks like i did that before i just did not know about compiling now i see gaming in linux has some chances...thanks |
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| 16:54.34 | dvs | !anyone |
| 16:54.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:54.45 | Anyone | I use a debian kernel |
| 16:54.47 | stew | Anyone: what model hauppauge card do you have? |
| 16:55.00 | Anyone | stew, wintv |
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| 16:55.09 | resiak | !pal dvs |
| 16:55.18 | dvs | :-P |
| 16:55.33 | Anyone | stew, 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Winfast TV2000 XP (rev 05) |
| 16:55.33 | stew | Anyone: pvr 250? pvr 150? |
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| 16:56.09 | Anyone | stew, 647 |
| 16:56.14 | thc | heh. the one fucking day that i actually need to use dvdrip and apt just removed transcode on me. |
| 16:56.33 | Anyone | stew, WinTV-PCI-FM model 647 |
| 16:56.34 | abrotman | zebalin2: you'd have to find some kernel hackers :) |
| 16:56.34 | tarzeau | thc: make your own packages |
| 16:56.42 | thc | tarzeau: for transcode? |
| 16:56.52 | tarzeau | thc: everything that is not in main |
| 16:56.54 | abrotman | zebalin2: otherwise .. you could file a bug on the debian package .. and if need be .. they will forward it to upstream |
| 16:57.03 | Hooke | I have another problem: my monitor rate is too low (60 Hz). Is there an easy way to change it? could it damage the monitor? Sometimes, when I shutdown, the image becomes fuzzy and shaky, I dont know if it is related to a bad monitor configuration |
| 16:57.09 | finn23 | stew, now it says: "Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time." |
| 16:57.10 | Anyone | tarzeau, iTS the Hauppauge card .. it doesn't seem to "just work" :/ |
| 16:57.11 | abrotman | Hooke: what is your GUI ? |
| 16:57.18 | tarzeau | Anyone: mine just works |
| 16:57.19 | thc | tarzeau: if it were something that i used all the time, and there wasn't an official package, maybe i would... |
| 16:57.23 | tarzeau | Anyone: paste the lspci line of it |
| 16:57.27 | stew | Anyone: dunno about that one, but it might not have any support, their older, more popular models (like the 150,250,350) don't even have support in the linux kernel yet, you have to compile 3rd party drivers from ivtvdriver.org don't know if they have support for yours or not |
| 16:57.27 | thc | i don't use transcode enough to be arsed |
| 16:57.30 | Anyone | 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Winfast TV2000 XP (rev 05) |
| 16:57.36 | tarzeau | thc: there IS no official package |
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| 16:57.43 | thc | tarzeau: i know that. |
| 16:57.45 | tarzeau | thc: official packages are the ones in main |
| 16:57.49 | tarzeau | marillats packages are NOT |
| 16:57.52 | raboof | is it dumb to install the kernel-image-2.6.8 package since there are much newer 2.6 kernels available? |
| 16:57.57 | thc | tarzeau: i meant official packages in general... |
| 16:57.57 | Anyone | stew, darn .. |
| 16:57.59 | tarzeau | Anyone: where do you see hauppauge there? |
| 16:58.02 | abrotman | raboof: which version of debian ? |
| 16:58.07 | raboof | abrotman: sarge |
| 16:58.10 | dvs | raboof: Doesn't make sense to me. |
| 16:58.13 | Anyone | stew, I was told "just buy hauppage" .. not of evil will of cause .. |
| 16:58.13 | tarzeau | thc: so do i, they are marillat packages. or just packages |
| 16:58.17 | Hooke | abrotman, I'm not sure how to respond (X? gnome?) how do I check? |
| 16:58.20 | abrotman | raboof: that is the packaged kernel in sarge |
| 16:58.28 | abrotman | Hooke: Gnome/KDE/openbox .. etc |
| 16:58.28 | tarzeau | Anyone: 0000:00:0a.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 02) |
| 16:58.35 | tarzeau | Anyone: this is a hauppauge |
| 16:58.44 | tarzeau | Anyone: i didn't say ALL hauppauge cards are good |
| 16:58.47 | Anyone | 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Winfast TV2000 XP (rev 05) |
| 16:58.47 | Anyone | 0000:00:0d.1 Multimedia controller: Conexant: Unknown device 8811 (rev 05) |
| 16:58.47 | Anyone | 0 |
| 16:58.47 | tarzeau | only those with the bt chip |
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| 16:58.54 | raboof | abrotman: yeah, i apt-get-upgraded from a previous debian, currently there's still a 2.4-kernel running |
| 16:58.58 | Hooke | abrotman, I have both gnome and kde, but now I'm in gnome |
| 16:58.59 | tarzeau | Anyone: it doesn't say bt848 or 878 |
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| 16:59.10 | Anyone | tarzeau, hmmm ... the chip is inside a metal box on the card.. |
| 16:59.17 | tarzeau | Anyone: so what? |
| 16:59.17 | Anyone | tarzeau, Dunno how to check which one |
| 16:59.25 | snowgoose | nom way can i get printer to set up any ideas? |
| 16:59.27 | tarzeau | Anyone: lend the card, try it, and give it back |
| 16:59.32 | abrotman | Hooke: under preferences .. check for screen resolution or Display .. something like that .. see if you can do it in there |
| 16:59.33 | tarzeau | Anyone: or use a live cd on a system at the shop |
| 16:59.41 | Vlad | is it normal for mysqld to use 118mb memory? |
| 16:59.43 | Anyone | tarzeau, the card is in the machine now. |
| 16:59.43 | tarzeau | Anyone: for example the gnustep live cd has xawtv on it |
| 16:59.52 | tarzeau | Anyone: can't help you, sorry |
| 16:59.53 | Anyone | I have xawtv |
| 17:00.03 | Hooke | abrotman, I can see it, but not change it |
| 17:00.08 | Anyone | !itv |
| 17:00.17 | Anyone | tarzeau, thanks for trying though. :-) |
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| 17:01.29 | Hooke | abrotman, I can change the resolution, but not the rate |
| 17:01.34 | stew | Anyone: have you checked if ivtv supports that card? you might ask in #mythtv-users about that card |
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| 17:02.16 | thc | now that was a nice tiny quit msg |
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| 17:04.17 | Anyone | stew, http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware |
| 17:04.26 | Anyone | stew, How do I find out which one mine is? |
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| 17:08.39 | abrotman | !drxx Hooke |
| 17:08.39 | dpkg | Hooke: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:08.43 | kspath | wow cool ara |
| 17:09.23 | kspath | ara (1.0.9) CLI utility for searching the Debian package database |
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| 17:12.13 | SEJeff | I am trying to put depends in the */debian/control file and having a few problems. Could anyone help? http://pastebin.com/487329 |
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| 17:12.50 | iturk | my UML (User Mode Linux) is hanging in Setting the System Clock using the Hardware Clock as reference... what is wrong with the RTC and how to fix it ?! |
| 17:12.55 | dvs | SEJeff: Why not install the linux-headers package? |
| 17:12.55 | Hooke | abrotman: bash: !drxx: event not found |
| 17:13.06 | dvs | ahhahhahahahah |
| 17:13.09 | Anyone | SEJeff, I don't really have the time right now .. trying to get help myself. |
| 17:13.11 | dvs | resiak? |
| 17:13.20 | Hooke | dpkg, ok, thnks, I'll try.. |
| 17:13.23 | SEJeff | dvs: it is there |
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| 17:13.38 | Anyone | SEJeff, I doubt I could help much anyhow, though. |
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| 17:13.46 | SEJeff | dvs: Is the format wrong? |
| 17:13.58 | dvs | SEJeff: The version could be wrong. |
| 17:14.41 | SEJeff | dvs: Well I put linux-headers (>= 2.6.12) for depends. And you can see that dpkg shows 2.6.12-* and 2.6.15-*. So what am I doing wrong? |
| 17:15.34 | resiak | dvs! |
| 17:15.36 | Hooke | dpkg, I've used xvidtune, does that count? |
| 17:15.49 | resiak | dvs: There is an actual user "anyone" to whom stew was talking. |
| 17:16.12 | Anyone | resiak, me? |
| 17:16.15 | dvs | resiak: I know. I guess that factoid is out of date :-) |
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| 17:16.19 | kspath | lol |
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| 17:16.39 | Anyone | dvs, its right most of the time, I seldom IRC's :-) |
| 17:17.02 | resiak | Anyone: Yes. |
| 17:17.07 | dvs | SEJeff: I think the package name is linux-image-2.6.12 |
| 17:17.13 | dvs | not just linux-image |
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| 17:17.21 | kspath | a broken clock is right twice per day? |
| 17:17.22 | SEJeff | dvs: I don't want the kernel image. I want the headers |
| 17:17.31 | dvs | SEJeff: Sorry linux-headers |
| 17:17.39 | SEJeff | dvs: ok thanks |
| 17:17.45 | dvs | !info linux-headers-2.6.12 |
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| 17:18.09 | samuel | sup all |
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| 17:18.23 | Alias_ | Hi, I'm building a testing system using debian. I need debian to start up as normal on a headless (virtualised) box, and then once ALL the normal startup processes are done, launch a particular script as root... where do I want to hook this script launcher into? |
| 17:18.30 | thc | !tell _root about root |
| 17:18.57 | Anyone | !tell root about _root |
| 17:18.57 | Eulex | Alias_, check out the readme in /etc/init.d/ |
| 17:19.05 | Alias_ | ok |
| 17:19.12 | samuel | ive got debian and kde up and running, ive got udev and hal, but i dont have automount on kde, what sorts of packages do i need to be able to automount usb memory devices and the like? |
| 17:19.48 | thc | samuel: start a gnome-session if you can't figure it out. gnome will mount usb storage devices for you. |
| 17:20.30 | kbrooks | tor? |
| 17:20.34 | kbrooks | !tor |
| 17:20.34 | dpkg | from memory, tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
| 17:20.40 | bizkit | samuel: #debian-kde |
| 17:20.45 | samuel | thc: i can mount devices fine, using mount... but i would like it to do it automagically... and i dont have gnome installed |
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| 17:21.12 | thc | samuel: i never said you don't know how to mount. i said gnome will mount it for you and put an icon on the desktop. |
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| 17:21.37 | bizkit | thc: he said he uses kde. i don't ask a question using debian, and get an answer: use windows. |
| 17:21.59 | thc | !confuse bizkit |
| 17:21.59 | dpkg | No, how are their ferret tomorrow, bizkit? pants of the republic of belarus with extra cream |
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| 17:22.05 | Wo|f | I'd like to be able to something similiar to what samuel is doing, and I don't have space to install Debian. |
| 17:22.05 | thc | whatever that meant. |
| 17:22.13 | Wo|f | er |
| 17:22.18 | Wo|f | GNOME on my Debian box |
| 17:22.18 | thc | i can read, i saw him say he uses kde. hence why i said use gnome. |
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| 17:22.47 | dsacode | Hello! May be someone heard of some software designed by ISP for customers that will provide some things like monitoring network condition, send reports to ISP if there's some malfunction, control access to the network and a like.. |
| 17:22.48 | bizkit | thc: however this is your personal standpoint to kde, not samuel's |
| 17:23.10 | samuel | ok, i dont want to use gnome, is there any other way to do it? with kde perhaps? |
| 17:23.20 | thc | bizkit: what the fuck are you babbling about? this has *NOTHING* to do with personal standpoint. i told him to try gnome for use storage |
| 17:23.49 | bizkit | thc: you're funny :) |
| 17:23.55 | stew | Anyone: according to that packge you should be trying the cx88_dvb driver which is included in 2.6.12+ kernels |
| 17:24.00 | thc | fucking hell dude stop saying my name in here |
| 17:24.29 | stew | thc: use ignore |
| 17:24.36 | thc | just did. |
| 17:24.37 | stew | thc: and chill out |
| 17:24.51 | Anyone | stew, Thanks .. so upgrade kernel, and it works! |
| 17:24.54 | AciD | samuel > try usbmount |
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| 17:25.09 | samuel | AciD: thanks |
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| 17:26.21 | donfilipo | pitillo i am here again...i instaled a few games 3d acceleration works fine but almost all the time machine freezes after some time..any clue? |
| 17:26.34 | SimonRaven | mmmm |
| 17:26.45 | Anyone | !tell thc about ignore |
| 17:26.49 | ohad | hi, i am trying to using module-assistant in building my ipw2200-soruce. for some reason it keeps on failing in the build. any ideas why? |
| 17:27.01 | dvs | Anyone: Why did you do that? |
| 17:27.10 | thc | Anyone: what was the point of that? |
| 17:27.13 | Anyone | dvs, I didn't see that he was told already. |
| 17:27.17 | Anyone | sorry |
| 17:27.19 | thc | is it fucking sunday in here still? |
| 17:27.21 | bizkit | donfilipo: do you use nvidia? |
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| 17:27.30 | dvs | No, New year's eve. ;-) |
| 17:27.34 | Anyone | thc, Its *always* sunday in here. |
| 17:27.35 | donfilipo | nop ati radeon 9000 pro |
| 17:27.38 | thc | arrrr. |
| 17:27.38 | blondie | no but it's a bank holiday |
| 17:27.48 | SimonRaven | it *is* monday ... |
| 17:27.49 | dvs | darn bankers! |
| 17:28.02 | kspath | scroll |
| 17:28.12 | SimonRaven | s/sc/tr/ |
| 17:28.13 | kspath | linefeed |
| 17:28.15 | dvs | !kill all the bankers |
| 17:28.16 | SimonRaven | :P |
| 17:28.26 | Anyone | stew, thanks, I will try to upgrade the kernel. |
| 17:28.31 | blondie | dvs: nothing to do with bankers |
| 17:28.33 | blondie | !hug thc |
| 17:28.36 | thc | awww |
| 17:28.47 | blondie | cute |
| 17:28.53 | SimonRaven | oopoops mis-replaced that |
| 17:28.54 | Trell_Work | ok so i'm downloading all these .deb packages for evolution by hand, so how can i install them all from this directory |
| 17:28.55 | dvs | Ewwwwwwww |
| 17:29.00 | blondie | snogging a bot, what next |
| 17:29.06 | bizkit | Trell_Work: dpkg -i |
| 17:29.09 | Trell_Work | ty |
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| 17:29.15 | stew | Trell_Work: are you trying to install testing/unstable packages on stable? |
| 17:29.30 | Alias_ | OK, so in the init scripts, if two init scripts have the same Sxx number, are they run in parallel? |
| 17:29.34 | SimonRaven | blondie: animal husbandry |
| 17:29.49 | stew | Anyone: no, they are run in alphabetical order |
| 17:29.50 | blondie | hmm |
| 17:29.53 | stew | err |
| 17:29.54 | SNow | hi guys, maybe an offtopic but, my friend is online, when i Q him, it says he is not online, and when I do /whois i see him |
| 17:29.56 | stew | Alias_: ^^^ |
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| 17:30.09 | SimonRaven | an idjit who doesn't know what that means is going to freak |
| 17:30.14 | Firestarter | I have a network cable going to another room in my home one end has be router. Is it possible to add another hub or router to the other end to add two computers in that room |
| 17:30.15 | SNow | how could this happen? |
| 17:30.29 | SNow | 19:39 <SNow> a |
| 17:30.29 | SNow | 19:39 -!- thingfish: No such nick/channel |
| 17:30.29 | SNow | 19:39 -!- thingfish [n=mark@dialup-4.245.40.79.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net] |
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| 17:30.34 | Anyone | stew, ? |
| 17:30.39 | SimonRaven | "ohnoz!11! bestiality!111" |
| 17:30.40 | dvs | Firestarter: A hub would do. |
| 17:30.41 | stew | Anyone: sorry that was meant for Alias_ |
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| 17:31.01 | SEJeff | Could anyone tell me why this doesn't work? The version numbers are correct. http://pastebin.com/487349 |
| 17:31.08 | thc | SNow: thingfish is not logged onto freenode. |
| 17:31.10 | bizkit | SNow: are you on more than one network? you should ask this in your irc client's chan, e.g. #irssi. |
| 17:31.17 | Firestarter | dvs: thanks. I was hoping I wouldn't have to run more than one wire thourgh |
| 17:31.23 | thc | SNow: you should be asking in #freenode anyway |
| 17:31.26 | Trell_Work | stew, i am |
| 17:31.29 | Anyone | SEJeff, nope, sorry. |
| 17:31.36 | SNow | thanks guys! :) |
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| 17:31.49 | stew | Trell_Work: that is a bad idea, you should be looking for / creating backports ; /msg dpkg backport ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:31.51 | ohad | the build of the ipw2200 fails when i try to using ipw2200.. i get during the build the following : error: too many arguments to function 'pci_save_state', error: too many arguments to function 'pci_restore_state' |
| 17:31.56 | kspath | hubs are "good" to run a stealth sniffer on to log all your traffic in/out of your network |
| 17:32.08 | stew | Trell_Work: library versions of stable and non-stable are incompatible |
| 17:32.08 | dvs | Firestarter: No problem |
| 17:32.25 | Firestarter | dvs: is there a max length for cat5e cable\ |
| 17:32.29 | SNow | 19:41 -!- #freenode Cannot send to channel |
| 17:32.43 | dvs | Firestarter: I thinks it's 100 meters in total. |
| 17:32.47 | Trell_Work | oKtosiTe, well i'm doing this first on a blow-away box so if i kill it oh well :) |
| 17:32.52 | thc | SNow: wait a few moments for a +v |
| 17:32.54 | Trell_Work | ok well i'm doing this first on a blow-away box so if i kill it oh well :) |
| 17:32.59 | Trell_Work | dang auto complete |
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| 17:33.03 | Trell_Work | sorry oKtosiTe |
| 17:33.06 | Firestarter | wow thats longer than I went |
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| 17:36.00 | doleyb | Hi how can i set a multiplier on mouse speed? |
| 17:36.11 | dvs | doleyb: Use gpm |
| 17:36.21 | stew | doleyb: man xset |
| 17:37.38 | stew | Trell_Work: if you just want to kill your box there are more efficient ways. if you actually want this to work you should be backporting or upgrading completely to testing |
| 17:37.49 | doleyb | stew: I'd like to use xset instead of gpm, but I only see xset doing acceleration. I want multiplication. |
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| 17:38.42 | stew | doleyb: i dunno then |
| 17:38.54 | purestorm_ | Hi. Do you know of a Linux tool for hardware checks? My computer is hanging sometimes and I want to check where things go wrong. |
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| 17:39.15 | dvs | purestorm_: Sounds like a job for memtest86+ |
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| 17:39.23 | doleyb | purestorm_: memtest86 is nonlinux, but it good to start with |
| 17:39.29 | stew | purestorm_: apt-get install memtest86+ and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/* |
| 17:39.31 | purestorm_ | memtest86 runs w/o problems |
| 17:39.33 | dvs | doleyb: It's in Debian |
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| 17:39.58 | purestorm_ | I want a tool that sends all kind of funny stuff to all kind of devices so I know whether it is the motherboard or something differen.t |
| 17:40.16 | purestorm_ | Or am I waaaay OT here? |
| 17:40.17 | dvs | "all kind of funny stuff"? |
| 17:40.23 | linar | i've installed ossim like on the manual but... no mentioning about the web configuration? i thought it's web-based :) |
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| 17:40.44 | LostFrog | All kind of funny stuff.. wouldn't you use 'fortune' for that? |
| 17:40.48 | purestorm_ | :) |
| 17:40.58 | purestorm_ | Heh, I want to stress test different bits of hardware |
| 17:41.04 | purestorm_ | so I know for certain what's going wrong |
| 17:41.38 | bizkit | purestorm_: search for benchmark tools? e.g. bonnie++ |
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| 17:42.01 | Jinkguns | pureone, you need diagnostic hardware to do that kind of stuff. ;/ |
| 17:42.08 | cahoot | purestorm_: your logs are not any help? |
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| 17:42.32 | stew | purestorm_: have you checked to see if you are possibly overheating? |
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| 17:42.38 | purestorm_ | Ah, benchmarks seems to be well. |
| 17:43.21 | Skivey | anyonegot a passport i can borrow? |
| 17:43.54 | dvs | Sure! |
| 17:44.03 | Skivey | i seem to have lost mine and my girlfriend has left me here onmy own whilst she goes and plays with camels in africa |
| 17:44.18 | bizkit | what the heck.. |
| 17:44.24 | Skivey | she thinks im upset, but i got a week of drinking withmy mates |
| 17:44.34 | Skivey | how cool is that! |
| 17:45.04 | LostFrog | Sounds like fun to me. |
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| 17:45.16 | Skivey | where we all from? |
| 17:45.43 | LostFrog | Pennsylvania, US here. |
| 17:45.49 | Skivey | oooh |
| 17:46.02 | Skivey | coolo |
| 17:46.06 | Skivey | +i |
| 17:46.13 | raboof | she's away for a week? that's managable. months can put stress on a relationship :) |
| 17:46.17 | raboof | .nl here |
| 17:46.18 | blondie | Skivey: where do you live? |
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| 17:46.31 | Skivey | England, Uk |
| 17:46.37 | blondie | well yes |
| 17:46.44 | blondie | thanks |
| 17:46.48 | Daveman | :p |
| 17:46.52 | Hooke | dpkg, I've run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it seems to have finished. but I still see 60 Hz in desktop>preferences>screen resolution. Do I have to close session? Theres a warning: xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration |
| 17:46.53 | Hooke | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.53 | Hooke | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.35 | dvs | Hooke: If it works don't worry about it |
| 17:47.55 | raboof | sya |
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| 17:48.00 | stew | Hooke: what kind of monitor? how is it connected? vga cable? or something digital? |
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| 17:48.24 | Hooke | dvs, I dont know whether it works. it doesnt say 75 Hz, as I asked it to |
| 17:48.26 | raboof | 'make modules_install' for a kernel shouldn't give unresolved symbols, should it? |
| 17:48.27 | ohad | hi, i am i'm trying to compile the ipw2200 module with 2.6.12-1-686 - for some odd reason it won't compile |
| 17:48.41 | stew | ohad: are you comiling it with m-a? |
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| 17:48.59 | stew | raboof: why aren't you using make-kpkg? /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:49.16 | ohad | stew, yes i tried with both from the source and m-a |
| 17:49.18 | raboof | stew: because i already know the 'old' way of doing things, mostly :) |
| 17:49.19 | Hooke | stew, a CRT monitor (sony HMD-A220) and a VGA cable |
| 17:49.50 | thc | Hooke: if you make changes to xorg.conf while still in X, you need to restart X. |
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| 17:50.12 | ohad | stew, both fail in the make or build of the ipw2200 |
| 17:50.14 | stew | Hooke: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log and try to determine why the other modes aren't being used |
| 17:50.17 | bizkit | Hooke: if your hsync and vert refresh rates are ok, it should use the highest rate for this mode possible. else you have to create modelines |
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| 17:50.25 | Hooke | thc, ok, I'll reboot then. brb ;) |
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| 17:50.32 | stew | ohad: checked the bts? are you using gcc4 or gcc3.x? |
| 17:50.48 | thc | Hooke: you don't need to reboot, restart X |
| 17:50.49 | stew | Hooke: you don't need to reboot, just restart X |
| 17:51.04 | raboof | i never really saw the advantage of make-kpkg in my case. adding/removing kernels is already easy enough ;) |
| 17:51.11 | raboof | not as if i do that all the time |
| 17:51.22 | Hooke | thc, stew , how do I do that, just close session? |
| 17:51.23 | dvs | raboof: Make installing and removing even easier! |
| 17:51.31 | stew | Hooke: yes |
| 17:51.55 | Hooke | stew, ok, brb ;) |
| 17:51.58 | raboof | dvs: at the expense of knowing what's happening, so being able to troubleshoot faster :) |
| 17:52.01 | thc | Hooke: you may need to restart your display manager if you are running one |
| 17:52.16 | ohad | stew, gcc-4.0 |
| 17:52.22 | stew | thc: no, he wouldn't |
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| 17:52.43 | dvs | raboof: The most trouble I've had with kernels had to de with what features I installed. |
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| 17:53.04 | bizkit | stew: don't be so hard to thc, give him some flowers with your answer |
| 17:53.31 | thc | stew: uh, if he's running gdm and tries to ctrl+alt+backspace, X will not completely restart. |
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| 17:53.42 | stew | thc: you are wrong |
| 17:53.51 | thc | heh. whatever dude. |
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| 17:54.53 | rcastagnoli | hi to all |
| 17:55.27 | rcastagnoli | I need someone to help me... |
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| 17:55.37 | rcastagnoli | I can't find the solution |
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| 17:55.46 | thc | !tell rcastagnoli about ask |
| 17:55.46 | stew | rcastagnoli: if you have a question just ask it already |
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| 17:56.03 | rcastagnoli | I thank you in advance |
| 17:56.08 | rcastagnoli | for your kindness |
| 17:56.12 | rcastagnoli | ok.. |
| 17:56.16 | rcastagnoli | the problem is |
| 17:56.17 | bizkit | :o |
| 17:56.24 | stew | !tell rcastagnoli about enter |
| 17:56.26 | Daveman | :o |
| 17:56.33 | rcastagnoli | I hav a debian installation (knoppix on hard disk) |
| 17:56.41 | thc | !pal rcastagnoli |
| 17:56.57 | stew | rcastagnoli: ask in #knoppix, not here |
| 17:57.06 | rcastagnoli | and I have installed Spamassassin with Synaptic |
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| 17:57.45 | Hooke | hi again. I closed session and the rate shown in desktop>preferences>screen resolution didnt change from 60 to 75 Hz. Rebooting didnt work either. |
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| 17:58.00 | rcastagnoli | when I test spamassassin with spamassassin -t < /home/rcastagnoli/Mail-SpamAssassin-3.1.0/sample-nonspam.txt | grep X-Spam |
| 17:58.03 | stew | Hooke: have you tried looking at the log yet? |
| 17:58.06 | SimonRaven | rcastagnoli: again, debian != knoppix. read /topic |
| 17:58.09 | rcastagnoli | I get some warnings |
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| 17:58.26 | mxldr | hey- i booted up my etch laptop, and xorg didn;t work and neither did my atheros wifi card |
| 17:58.27 | hikenboot | can anyone tell me where i get mkinitrd for ubuntu and debian |
| 17:58.36 | hikenboot | i did apt-cache search mkinitrd and only found mkinitrd-cd |
| 17:58.39 | mxldr | i had to re modprobe my atheros card |
| 17:58.48 | mxldr | did anything break in etch? |
| 17:58.49 | Hooke | stew, sorry, I havent. could you tell me again, please? |
| 17:58.53 | mxldr | any ideas? |
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| 17:58.59 | stew | hikenboot: in the initrd-tools package |
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| 17:59.05 | Loof | Anyone know if there is a channel for iSCSI? |
| 17:59.17 | hikenboot | thank you not sure why my package search didnt find it though |
| 17:59.30 | mxldr | helllo? |
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| 17:59.40 | stew | Hooke: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log and try to figure out why the other modes were thrown away |
| 18:00.05 | mxldr | Hooke: did your xorg break? |
| 18:00.17 | donfilipo | i have serious problems my machine freezes when i run any 3d game...can anyone help |
| 18:00.18 | hikenboot | thanks stew! |
| 18:00.31 | stew | hikenboot: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 18:00.46 | Hooke | mxldr, not quite, but the rate is too low and it gives me some problems |
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| 18:01.04 | mxldr | Hooke: like not starting up? |
| 18:01.15 | rcastagnoli | Hi to all |
| 18:01.20 | mxldr | cuz mine broke |
| 18:01.22 | Loof | donfilipo: Check to make sure you have the latest/correct video drivers. |
| 18:01.28 | rcastagnoli | can anyone help me with Spamassassin? |
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| 18:01.41 | SimonRaven | rcastagnoli: re-joining doesn't change anything. go to #knoppix |
| 18:01.48 | Loof | mxldr: Are you talking about the site or the GUI? |
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| 18:01.55 | mxldr | the gui |
| 18:01.55 | donfilipo | how Loof??? |
| 18:01.59 | nion | hi |
| 18:01.59 | kspath | I wonder if there is something called sshfs |
| 18:02.03 | mxldr | hey- i booted up my etch laptop, and xorg didn;t work and neither did my atheros wifi card |
| 18:02.06 | Loof | donfilipo: Google |
| 18:02.08 | mxldr | i had to re modprobe my atheros card |
| 18:02.10 | stew | !sshfs |
| 18:02.10 | dpkg | somebody said sshfs was sshfs-fuse, or not shfs |
| 18:02.18 | rcastagnoli | SimonRiver I think it will not solve the problem |
| 18:02.25 | SimonRaven | kspath: 2 similar things |
| 18:02.26 | Loof | mxldr: Atheros is problematic... are you using the MAD set or NDISwrapper? |
| 18:02.28 | SimonRaven | !shfs |
| 18:02.28 | dpkg | somebody said shfs was http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 18:02.32 | donfilipo | how can i see wich version are my drivers Loof? |
| 18:02.33 | stew | mxldr: is the module listed in /etc/modules? |
| 18:02.36 | nion | since the latest update of xorg to 6.9 my german keymapping is not working anymore, known problem? |
| 18:02.39 | mxldr | madwifi loof |
| 18:02.52 | stew | nion: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:02.58 | Loof | donfilipo: There are about a dozen or two HOW TOs on doing exactly that. |
| 18:02.59 | rcastagnoli | SimonRiver this is a SpamAssassin IRC, or not? |
| 18:03.10 | Hooke | mxldr, like the image becoming fuzzy and shaky when I shutdown, and making sizzling sound |
| 18:03.27 | SimonRaven | rcastagnoli: your problem isn't relevant here, regardless of what you think. and please at least spell my nick correctly |
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| 18:03.40 | kspath | thank you I am always curious about those ssh based ones with odd/slow tech queries come up |
| 18:03.44 | Loof | mxldr: Are they working in bonded mode yet? |
| 18:03.47 | SimonRaven | rcastagnoli: not only. this channel is #debian |
| 18:03.50 | nion | stew: sorry dont undertsand |
| 18:03.57 | stew | !tell nion about bts |
| 18:04.05 | donfilipo | ok thanks i will go to google and see |
| 18:04.14 | Anyone | rcastagnoli, I am no big ressource on spamassassin, sorry. |
| 18:04.17 | stew | nion: if this is a known issue it will be documented in the bts |
| 18:04.37 | nion | stew: ah ok you are right |
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| 18:04.39 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 18:04.45 | finn23 | I chrooted the mounted root partitions |
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| 18:05.04 | finn23 | then ran "grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 18:05.05 | Shadowcat | damned Italians |
| 18:05.09 | Shadowcat | nothing but trouble |
| 18:05.10 | finn23 | after ages I got: |
| 18:05.10 | finn23 | "the file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly." |
| 18:05.26 | Shadowcat | finn23: maybe the files are corrupt |
| 18:05.32 | nion | mhm doesnt seem so, but i havent touched my xorg.conf :( |
| 18:05.41 | SimonRaven | Shadowcat: that was uncalled for |
| 18:05.52 | Shadowcat | SimonRaven: actually |
| 18:05.59 | Hooke | stew, the name of the monitor is not what it should be (sony HMD A-220) but a long string of characters, because it didnt let me erase letters in "monitor name" when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Is that important? |
| 18:06.00 | Shadowcat | that's the third or forth troll from *.it |
| 18:06.04 | Shadowcat | in the space of a week |
| 18:06.17 | Shadowcat | it might just be the same guy though |
| 18:06.20 | donfilipo | Loof i have 1.3 Mesa 6.2.1 ati drivers |
| 18:06.21 | Shadowcat | I'm not sure yet |
| 18:06.26 | SimonRaven | actually yes it was. i don't give a rat's ass what you think about it |
| 18:06.31 | stew | Hooke: no, this is for infomational purposes only |
| 18:06.37 | dvs | Hooke: The name itself isn't important |
| 18:06.38 | donfilipo | i think these should be good enough |
| 18:06.46 | Hooke | okay |
| 18:07.28 | Hooke | stew, I've opened the Xorg.0.log file. it's huge. what should I look for? |
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| 18:07.36 | Loof | donfilipo: Are those the most recent drivers? |
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| 18:08.06 | Eulex | donfilipo, are you running fglrx? |
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| 18:08.51 | thc | hmm that's funny. i just installed gdm and made changes to X and they didn't take effect until i restarted gdm. |
| 18:08.55 | thc | hmmmmmmm. |
| 18:09.12 | Eulex | thc, that's quite normal |
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| 18:09.19 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 18:09.30 | thc | Eulex: i know that. according to stew, ctrl+alt+backspace is all you have to do. |
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| 18:09.41 | dvs | Hooke: Modeline |
| 18:09.44 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 18:09.48 | thc | ctrl+alt+backspace does NOT completely restart X. |
| 18:09.52 | Eulex | thc, I don't think ctrl+alt-backspace restarts X |
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| 18:10.00 | thc | dude, i just said. i know that. |
| 18:10.03 | donfilipo | ok i see someone said to me to write something different "driver radeon" i think let me see |
| 18:10.06 | Shadowcat | ./etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 18:10.06 | thc | i'm not the one who said otherwise. |
| 18:10.11 | secher | I just finally got a DVD drive on my system, I have it as IDE master on an otherwise all scsi setup. dmesg tells me it saw the dvd on boot, yet when I try and mount it, mount says special device /dev/dvd does not exist. where to go from here. the HOWTO says to get "livid" utils, but none such exist in Debian, accdg to packages.debian.org. what to do next? |
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| 18:10.31 | Shadowcat | secher: it's /dev/hda |
| 18:10.39 | Shadowcat | if it's the only ide device around |
| 18:10.56 | nion | mhm Couldn't compile keymap file and (WW) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap |
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| 18:11.27 | SimonRaven | look for EE |
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| 18:11.43 | secher | Shadowcat: Thanks.. never used IDE on Linux before, but a SCSI DVD was several hundred bucks, so in deference to the great god economics I had to get IDE. Feh. Thanks again. |
| 18:12.00 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 18:12.04 | Shadowcat | why do you need SCSI at all |
| 18:12.10 | nion | SimonRave: no EE there |
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| 18:12.23 | SimonRaven | scsi pwns ide |
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| 18:13.05 | Shadowcat | SimonRaven: only if you need it |
| 18:13.09 | Shadowcat | otherwise it's a waste of cash |
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| 18:13.32 | dvs | What about SATA? |
| 18:13.46 | Hooke | dvs, there are quite a few places where it says Modeline. |
| 18:13.53 | Shadowcat | sata isn't scsi |
| 18:14.06 | secher | Shadowcat: cause I"ve always used SCSI, for ..... 12 years now? maybe more? I know most of the SCSI black magic, it's been years since I've had to sacrifice a chicken to my SCSI chain. PLus I have 6 devices in this system.. err 5 now I took the scsi cdrom out to make space. |
| 18:14.11 | Loof | sata + tq isn't bad. |
| 18:14.20 | finn23 | I have no idea what to do now :( I followed dpkg's instructions |
| 18:14.35 | dvs | No, it isn't exactly IDE either. But a lot of new RAID controllers are being made for SATA |
| 18:14.56 | dvs | Hooke: Look just before the Modeline lines to see what modes are valid |
| 18:15.02 | Loof | dvs: SATA isn't really chainable though... and it's command queues are a lot shorter...and it has a LOT more overhead. |
| 18:15.28 | Shadowcat | the thing is |
| 18:15.31 | secher | SCSI is screaming fast as well. |
| 18:15.33 | Loof | dvs: The higher end SATA - ext. RAID boxes use SATA to talk to the HDs... and SCSI to talk to the computer (odd, but it's how they are) |
| 18:15.47 | Shadowcat | SCSI is €xp€$iv€ |
| 18:15.48 | Loof | secher: Both SCSI & SATA are limited by HD technology |
| 18:15.53 | stew | !tell Shadowcat about enter |
| 18:16.06 | Shadowcat | and unless you really have need for an ultraSCSI 320 controller, you're just burning cash |
| 18:16.10 | Shadowcat | !beat stew |
| 18:16.11 | stew | thc: when i change xorg.conf here and ctrl-alt-backspace i don't need to restart gdm to get the changes |
| 18:16.12 | Loof | Shadowcat: But I've had 10yr old SCSI drives that keep working...and 1yr old IDE drives that die the second their warranty is out |
| 18:16.28 | Shadowcat | Loof: that's why you don't buy them from WD/IBM |
| 18:16.36 | Shadowcat | I usually get maxtors/seagates |
| 18:16.38 | stew | thc: same on 2 machines and same with xdm gdm wdm |
| 18:16.47 | Shadowcat | especially the ones with a five year warranty sticker on them |
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| 18:17.05 | dvs | Shadowcat: maxtor and seagates? They're all Seagates now! |
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| 18:17.13 | SimonRaven | Loof: same here |
| 18:17.13 | kspath | #hardware is wanting their HD discussion group members back |
| 18:17.15 | finn23 | hmm |
| 18:17.15 | Loof | Shadowcat: Maxtors always die for me. |
| 18:17.24 | Loof | EVERY time |
| 18:17.31 | Loof | they generate heat like they are space heaters |
| 18:17.31 | alvanson | Loof, we talking about Maxtors? They are absolute garbage |
| 18:17.32 | finn23 | maxtor always lived for me |
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| 18:17.36 | secher | Loof: of course, but I normally make it a point to either buy or have my work buy me the fastest drives. OH, not to one up you, but on my file server, I have 10 year old drives as well. ancient seagates. |
| 18:17.36 | finn23 | samsung died |
| 18:17.37 | Loof | and can't withstand being hot |
| 18:17.51 | dvs | I've had two hard drives die on my and they were both Maxtors |
| 18:18.04 | alvanson | I've had THREE Maxtors die on me |
| 18:18.05 | Shadowcat | I've had one die on me |
| 18:18.08 | Loof | seagate is good, IBM doesn't make HDs anymore, again... they are hitachi...and they are good |
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| 18:18.11 | Shadowcat | it was an IBM Deathstar |
| 18:18.13 | Loof | WD has always been reasonably reliable |
| 18:18.14 | finn23 | seems everybody has had different experiences with HD's |
| 18:18.17 | alvanson | Loof, agreed, Seagate = awesome |
| 18:18.26 | SimonRaven | um, people sooner or later drives do die. just some later than others... |
| 18:18.27 | Loof | seagate I'm wondering what will happen now |
| 18:18.28 | LionsMane | anyone here have some Mac experince... specifically getting the Debian ppc install disk to boot from an older PowerBook G3 (pre USB) |
| 18:18.33 | Loof | if it will be like Compaq & Packard Bell |
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| 18:18.40 | darkness_ | Say would a compiler beat 99% of hand coded assembly? |
| 18:18.41 | Shadowcat | SimonRaven: I got a quantum from 1992 |
| 18:18.41 | secher | finn23: no, everyone agrees, Seagate rocks, pretty much. |
| 18:18.42 | Loof | where seagate drives start getting made in Maxtor factories |
| 18:18.44 | Shadowcat | still going strong! |
| 18:18.52 | Loof | or if seagates QA will make both brands stronger |
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| 18:18.55 | SimonRaven | LionsMane: #debianppc. what machine? |
| 18:18.55 | Shadowcat | I mean it's a 128 mb disk drive but hey, it still works |
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| 18:19.14 | Loof | My old seagate SCSI drives STILL work |
| 18:19.20 | Loof | and they're too old to use anymore |
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| 18:19.28 | Loof | my old IBM SCSI drives still work as well |
| 18:19.34 | Loof | but they got donated they were so old :) |
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| 18:19.47 | Loof | Not much use for a 300M drive anymore |
| 18:19.50 | alvanson | How do I get GNOME to use a different date format? Specifically ISO 8601. |
| 18:19.59 | SimonRaven | Loof: swap |
| 18:20.00 | LionsMane | SimonRaven: I'll check out the debianppc channel then... but it is a older one, I don't know the name... but it is black. |
| 18:20.02 | finn23 | I still don't know what's wrong with my MBR :((( |
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| 18:20.08 | Shadowcat | Loof: hey you could still fit a debian root on that |
| 18:20.10 | Loof | simonraven: No, not even for that... they're slow |
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| 18:20.17 | SimonRaven | though on drives that old using them for swap is gonna be slow |
| 18:20.23 | Shadowcat | provided you put /tmp /var /usr /home /srv somewhere else |
| 18:20.29 | Loof | shadowcat: But you can by a 4g drive that is 4x-8x as fast for $20 |
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| 18:20.51 | Loof | I put together my firewall for just under $50 |
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| 18:21.10 | SimonRaven | Loof: wouldn't suck as much using them for gimp swap. still slow, but not critical |
| 18:21.11 | Loof | All cheap 'old' h/w... still a good 3x to 4x faster than the little firewall-in-a-box that you buy |
| 18:21.16 | runa | hey :) My eth0 and eth1 get swapped in different kernels. Im using interface's "map" script but I need to change the dsl-provider file with the correct interface name each time. Any nice/debian way to do this automatically? If not, Im going to write a script to be run after the interface and modify the interface name in dsl-provider with the correct one |
| 18:21.27 | Shadowcat | Loof: true |
| 18:21.35 | Loof | SimonRaven: Yes, but then you have space, heat generation and electrical consumption. |
| 18:21.40 | secher | Loof: I was fortunate enough to pick up an ancient DEC external drive array, and loaded all of my 4 gig barracudas? I forget now, it's been so long since I"ve looked, and RAIDed them. they work like a charm. |
| 18:21.53 | Loof | These days my server runs a hotswap raid cage |
| 18:21.57 | Loof | so they don't fit there. |
| 18:21.58 | Shadowcat | Loof: you mean severely dumbed down linux distribution in a box |
| 18:22.02 | SimonRaven | Loof: yeh |
| 18:22.05 | Shadowcat | most of those soho routers run 2.4 |
| 18:22.25 | Loof | They're SCSI-2 vs SCSI-3 /w high density swap connectors (I forget the jumble of letters) |
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| 18:22.37 | Hooke | dvs, it says bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan, vrefresh out of range, and other errors. see http://rafb.net/paste/results/KRF4WR87.html |
| 18:22.37 | Loof | Shadowcat: Actually, most of those arn't linux. |
| 18:22.40 | secher | 3 = UWF iirc. |
| 18:22.46 | Shadowcat | Loof: Linksys ones are |
| 18:22.49 | Loof | Yes |
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| 18:22.51 | Loof | Those are |
| 18:22.53 | Loof | But MOST are not |
| 18:22.57 | Loof | VxWorks is big |
| 18:22.58 | abrotman | Hooke: did you get it ? |
| 18:23.05 | Loof | and US Software I think is the name of the other use |
| 18:23.07 | Loof | one |
| 18:23.12 | Hooke | abrotman, get what? |
| 18:23.13 | Loof | (Though, it's a taiwanese company) |
| 18:23.21 | abrotman | Hooke: your refresh .. i was away eating |
| 18:23.26 | dvs | Hooke: Yeah I though so. Are the monitor frequencies right? |
| 18:23.34 | Loof | Hey, anyone know where I can get the userspace tools for the kernel iSCSI target driver? |
| 18:23.45 | Shadowcat | Loof: either way your two year old idle rig would route the crap out of a soho box |
| 18:23.53 | Hooke | abrotman, I'm still trying :P |
| 18:23.57 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 18:24.07 | Loof | shadowcat: Yep |
| 18:24.12 | secher | to write a DVD .img to a disk, is it as easy as growisofs -X /dev/hda <imagename>? |
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| 18:24.28 | yang | are there any .tld domains that can be registered for free, like .tk , but they can be used on nameservers? |
| 18:24.36 | dvs | Hooke: (WW) RADEON(0): config file hsync range 28-49kHz not within DDC hsync ranges. |
| 18:24.37 | Loof | shadowcat: I even considered buying a cheap flash card... then I'd have a 1G drive... PLENTY of space for linux...and no moving parts |
| 18:24.40 | Eulex | Hooke, disable that framebuffer thingy. |
| 18:24.45 | dvs | Hooke: (WW) RADEON(0): config file vrefresh range 43-72Hz not within DDC vrefresh ranges. |
| 18:24.51 | Loof | These old P2s can live with little or no extra cooling...I can even underclock it a bit |
| 18:24.55 | Shadowcat | Loof: been there done that :P |
| 18:25.06 | Shadowcat | I have an old PIII on passive cooling |
| 18:25.15 | Shadowcat | and I stuck a gigabyte I-Ram in it |
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| 18:26.43 | kspath | found a package for the trolls to use that do not listen/see properly |
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| 18:26.46 | kspath | brltty (3.4.1-4) Access software for a blind person using a soft braille terminal |
| 18:26.51 | Hooke | dvs, Eulex , ... guys, sorry, I'm a bit lost now. what do you mean? |
| 18:27.09 | dvs | Hooke: The monitor frequencies in the config file are wrong |
| 18:27.46 | Anyone | Loof, apt-get install scsi-tools |
| 18:27.56 | Anyone | Loof, thats my best guess. |
| 18:28.15 | finn23 | "the file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly." how can I find out what's wrong with grub?? |
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| 18:28.30 | Anyone | lionsMane: Try joining #Debian-ppc |
| 18:28.30 | Eulex | Hooke, and you should disable setting the gfx mode with the framebuffer |
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| 18:29.01 | Anyone | spew, I lost track of your comment, which kernel did you recommend? 2.6.1x ?! |
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| 18:29.55 | svizzero | anyone knows how to run a program automatically when kde starts up? |
| 18:29.59 | Hooke | dvs, Eulex , so, should I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again or edit this file manually? |
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| 18:30.14 | Anyone | svizzero, well, I am not sure. |
| 18:30.15 | dvs | Hooke: I'd run xserver-xorg again |
| 18:30.31 | Anyone | svizzero, however, I guess you could include some lines in .xinitrc |
| 18:30.39 | secher | I promise I'm not going to do it, but is there a way to bit for bit copy DRMed DVDs like applications? I can't see how if the driver is low level enough, a way to prevent someone from doing that? Or am I thinking wrongly? |
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| 18:30.49 | Loof | Anyone: No, -iscsi- not scsi :) |
| 18:30.49 | Hooke | dvs, maybe should I disable auto-detect at the beginning? |
| 18:30.50 | lordnazgu | ok ive got a funky problem. when i reboot i am getting an error that the last write time to the hdd is in the future. any ideas? |
| 18:30.52 | chino2 | how do i join a group again ? |
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| 18:31.04 | Anyone | Loof, ohkay .. whats the differnece though? |
| 18:31.05 | svizzero | Anyone, isn't there an easier way like the gnome sessions? |
| 18:31.08 | dvs | Hooke: Try that if you know the frequences. |
| 18:31.18 | Anyone | svizzero, possibly .. I'm a gnomer myself though. |
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| 18:31.26 | stew | svizzero: edit ~/.xsession |
| 18:31.28 | thc | chino2: man adduser |
| 18:31.30 | strat | running debian testing..it runs pretty stable...but theres theres no app to edit the menu..i have a bunch of programs that dont show up in menu..and the debian menu isnt there,,is there a app i need to install to be able to edit menus?? |
| 18:31.41 | svizzero | stew, k thx |
| 18:31.59 | Loof | Anyone: iscsi = SCSI over TCP/IP... remote scsi |
| 18:32.05 | Loof | Works Linux->Windows too |
| 18:32.10 | bucky | strat: apt-get install menu |
| 18:32.17 | Loof | So you can keep all of your big devices under windows, where they belong |
| 18:32.18 | Anyone | Loof, sounds cool, except for the last bit ;-) |
| 18:32.19 | gory | hi |
| 18:32.24 | Loof | and share them as LOCAL devices under any other OS |
| 18:32.25 | Loof | AIX |
| 18:32.30 | Loof | Windows |
| 18:32.32 | Loof | Etc. |
| 18:32.46 | kspath | and the the world whent he box is owned |
| 18:32.53 | Loof | BTW, the 1st part of it was a joke ;) |
| 18:33.07 | secher | Loof: I've yet to break into iSCSI. how expensive is the hardware? |
| 18:33.08 | Loof | Right now I've got everything useful on my Linux box |
| 18:33.14 | strat | just did it.shows i have it already installed.,,is there a command to rebuild menu?? |
| 18:33.16 | Loof | secher: It is -software- |
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| 18:33.23 | secher | Loof: purely? |
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| 18:33.30 | zinosat | is there a way to burn a DVD with gnome "CD creator" specifying the UDF flag? (using etch which I just discovered cannot use k3b) |
| 18:33.33 | Loof | But there are a few Windows based programs that want local drives |
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| 18:33.36 | Loof | secher: Yep |
| 18:33.44 | kspath | if the devices are on windows chances are potentially MUCH higher of them getting owned |
| 18:33.44 | Hooke | dvs, I know I can set it to 75 Hz in other operating systems. do I need to know all the available rates? |
| 18:33.44 | Loof | There are h/w accelerators |
| 18:33.47 | Loof | but you don't need them |
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| 18:34.14 | secher | Loof: so all of this time, with all of my SCSI drives, I could have not mucked about with samba etc, and just configured iSCSI?????? |
| 18:34.14 | TGoC | This version has super cow powers! *Hurray* |
| 18:34.20 | kspath | iSCSI can be the most secure thing in the world but if the OS or power is compromised it matters not at all |
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| 18:34.28 | Loof | secher: Yep |
| 18:34.31 | dvs | Hooke: Most monitors today have one range |
| 18:34.38 | stew | strat: update-menus iirc |
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| 18:34.46 | Loof | secher: But, iSCSI seems to be a pain in the ass to get working... thus far... it is still bleeding edge |
| 18:34.56 | doleyb | kspath: but if the devices are served by windows, or just a windows box is an authorized client, they can both be owned |
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| 18:35.27 | secher | Loof:: GAHHH *THANKS!* Hey, bleeding edge or no, if it's going to simplify my life in the long run, I'll do it, and it'd be a cool project/tech to learn. |
| 18:35.43 | Loof | secher: That's -exactly- what I'm aiming for :) |
| 18:35.53 | Loof | secher: But, I can't find the userspace tools for the Kernel implementation |
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| 18:36.26 | pawdro | where i can find how to update sarge to etch/sid |
| 18:36.30 | Pythag | is it normal for gnome to startup slow on its first startup |
| 18:36.31 | pawdro | ? |
| 18:36.58 | dvs | !iyhtays pawdro |
| 18:36.58 | dpkg | pawdro: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
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| 18:37.05 | TGoC | abrotman you alive? |
| 18:37.07 | roby | I unfortunately must install windows xp (i left room on first partition for this). Once installed, it will overwrite grub in MBR, how do I put grub back in (and tell it about the new windows xp installation)? |
| 18:37.14 | dvs | TGoC: No, he's a work. ;-) |
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| 18:37.19 | TGoC | too bad dvs |
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| 18:37.32 | TGoC | ruby, Always install WINDOWS first |
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| 18:37.47 | stew | roby: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 18:37.47 | Revelation | :pP |
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| 18:37.58 | secher | Loof? |
| 18:38.08 | Hooke | dvs, what does that mean? I remember changing my monitor rate in winxp |
| 18:38.09 | roby | TGoC: yeah, but i didn't get my win xp license from work until today |
| 18:38.12 | Revelation | if u install windows after linux, windows taking the mbr :P |
| 18:38.16 | basti_ | how do i find out which exact version "nickname" a certain PC is running (woody, sarge, whatever?) |
| 18:38.17 | TGoC | Follow order of installing OS: Windows (oldest firsts), linux (linux does not care) |
| 18:38.21 | roby | stew: thanks |
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| 18:38.49 | dvs | Hooke: You have to look up the specs for your monitor and enter the proper frequencies. |
| 18:38.49 | TGoC | roby format everything you have |
| 18:38.54 | TGoC | and start all over :) |
| 18:38.58 | TGoC | It's the best way |
| 18:39.08 | Revelation | and the easy'est :P |
| 18:39.10 | Eulex | roby, ignore TGoC |
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| 18:39.17 | Revelation | :p |
| 18:39.22 | TGoC | roby type /ignore TGoC |
| 18:39.24 | TGoC | :) |
| 18:39.27 | roby | hehehe |
| 18:39.41 | samuel | anyone know what channel to ask wine questions in please? in case someone knows: how do i enable libwine-arts to get sound through arts in wine? |
| 18:39.49 | thc | samuel: #winehq |
| 18:39.55 | samuel | thc: thx |
| 18:40.05 | Revelation | wine is kinda cute |
| 18:40.05 | Revelation | :> |
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| 18:40.15 | TGoC | !wine Revelation |
| 18:40.21 | chino1 | does debian not keep the list of users in a group in /etc/group ? |
| 18:40.24 | thc | Revelation: you don't have to install windows first. there are several ways to reinstall a linux bootloader after windows has overwritten your mbr. |
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| 18:40.43 | TGoC | thc your right, but is it smart? :p |
| 18:40.54 | TGoC | Windows blows, remember? :o |
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| 18:41.21 | thc | windows runs just fine on my laptop. |
| 18:41.23 | chino1 | where does debian keep the list of users for each group ? |
| 18:41.34 | dvs | chihchun: /etc/group |
| 18:41.42 | TGoC | thc, that's because your laptop blows to, so they get along fine :) |
| 18:41.44 | Anyone | samuel, without knowing... I'd guess #wine or #cedega or something. |
| 18:41.49 | doleyb | samuel: also remember, you can type artsdsp to run anything in arts |
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| 18:41.57 | chino1 | help |
| 18:42.03 | Eclipser | TGoC, anyone who says that windows sucks or blows or whatever just doesn't know how to use it |
| 18:42.05 | chino1 | samuel: you dont need arts anymore |
| 18:42.18 | chino1 | Eclipser: i know how to use it and it sucks...... |
| 18:42.22 | Revelation | thc: yeah i know,, but well, i never using time on it |
| 18:42.23 | Revelation | ;> |
| 18:42.35 | Eclipser | chino1, then obviously you're just hallucinating that you know how to use it |
| 18:42.43 | Anyone | Eclipser, When did I say that? |
| 18:42.48 | Loof | secher: Yep? |
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| 18:43.00 | Eclipser | Anyone, you really need a new nick |
| 18:43.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 757] by debhelper |
| 18:43.05 | chino1 | Eclipser: obviously not i been using windows 3 years longer than linux and i know how to use it fine i work for a computer company and all i do all dam day is fix broken widnows computers |
| 18:43.07 | Anyone | Eclipser, I am amble to admit I don't know haw to use it, though. |
| 18:43.47 | chino1 | why does /etc/groups not have any users inside of it ? |
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| 18:44.06 | thc | chino1: mine does. |
| 18:44.11 | TGoC | Eclipser you find it normal you gotta edit 70% of your registry before the machine actually starts running normally? |
| 18:44.15 | Anyone | Eclipser, you too. :-) |
| 18:44.19 | stew | chino1: /etc/group not /etc/groups |
| 18:44.37 | chino1 | yes /etc/group has no users in it! |
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| 18:44.46 | thc | chino1: actually my /etc/group does, groups is empty |
| 18:44.52 | Eclipser | TGoC, I haven't had the need to edit any of my registery... well except to disable autorun |
| 18:44.52 | Anyone | Eclipser, unless you're female, that is. |
| 18:44.58 | Eclipser | Anyone, how so? |
| 18:44.59 | abrotman | TGoC: i suppose .. why ? |
| 18:45.03 | stew | chino1: /etc/group won't list a user as being in a group if it is the user's primary group |
| 18:45.08 | TGoC | Eclipser that's why your system probably is slower then mine ;) |
| 18:45.14 | Anyone | Eclipser, does have a female touch, doesn't it? |
| 18:45.15 | Eclipser | it's not slow at all |
| 18:45.16 | chino1 | oh really |
| 18:45.20 | Anyone | Eclipser, could be me though. |
| 18:45.22 | TGoC | abrotman you know anything that can help me in my fight against proxy's? |
| 18:45.23 | Eclipser | Anyone, not to me at least :) |
| 18:45.29 | airox | Could you guys please stop this windows war. |
| 18:45.32 | abrotman | TGoC: fight against ? |
| 18:45.44 | Anyone | airox, why? |
| 18:45.44 | airox | It's kinda wasting your time imho. |
| 18:45.47 | TGoC | I do not like proxy's to being able to access my machine at all |
| 18:45.53 | TGoC | not trough shell,apache,w/e |
| 18:45.59 | Hooke | dvs, I've found it http://www.ciao.co.uk/Productinformation/Sony_HMD_A220__5393413 ..now should I reconfigure manually? |
| 18:46.01 | Anyone | airox, lets just kick the pro-ms-windows guys! |
| 18:46.09 | pipline | Anyone: God you're worthless. |
| 18:46.12 | abrotman | TGoC: you don't like proxies ? |
| 18:46.17 | TGoC | i hate them :) |
| 18:46.23 | airox | pipline: hehe |
| 18:46.26 | pipline | Hmm, can I start init using "exec init", when it's not running yet? |
| 18:46.31 | dvs | Hooke: Your choice. |
| 18:46.38 | Anyone | pipline, anyone will do ... I don't really consider myself godly. |
| 18:46.39 | abrotman | TGoC: you mean HTTP proxies ? |
| 18:46.47 | TGoC | any proxy at all |
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| 18:46.53 | TGoC | Socks proxy's http proxy's |
| 18:47.06 | TGoC | you name something followed by proxy and i want it blocked :)\ |
| 18:47.10 | Hooke | dvs, ok, I'll try it |
| 18:47.15 | blondie | "proxies" -- apostrophes are NEVER used to make plurals |
| 18:47.16 | airox | pipline: how did you get init to not run ? |
| 18:47.20 | dvs | Hooke: That's the wrong info |
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| 18:47.22 | airox | pipline: added a kernel paramter ? |
| 18:47.24 | pipline | airox: Yes. |
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| 18:47.35 | abrotman | TGoC: well . considering it looks like a normal request afaik .. don't see how you could .. do they distinguish themselves in your logs ? |
| 18:47.43 | airox | pipline: You can't reboot ? |
| 18:47.48 | airox | Or won't. |
| 18:47.59 | Eclipser | is there a way to have convert to keep aspect ratio when resizing (too bored to calculate the real resolution I want :p) |
| 18:48.04 | fishdish | guys i have a small problem with my sarge and xserver mouse driver =// |
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| 18:48.08 | TGoC | I doubt it abrotman |
| 18:48.10 | stew | blondie: apostrophes are sometimes used to make plurals, (although the way he tried to is certainly wrong) |
| 18:48.15 | pipline | airox: I don't think you understand the question. |
| 18:48.20 | thc | Eclipser: a picture file you mean? |
| 18:48.21 | abrotman | TGoC: then how would you know how to block them ? |
| 18:48.22 | airox | pipline: MAYBE the telinit command can help you. |
| 18:48.25 | Eclipser | thc, yes |
| 18:48.25 | gborzi | hello to everyone, I'm looking a sponsor for a package I've made. |
| 18:48.25 | blondie | stew: no, they never are |
| 18:48.44 | abrotman | gborzi: and it would be what ? |
| 18:48.45 | thc | Eclipser: in the gimp there is a "scale image" tool that will keep the ratio if you want it to |
| 18:48.52 | Bachus9000 | This question is more appropriate for the Samba channel, but no one there seems active. Anyway, I've got a printer installed on a Debian Sarge box. It works fine--I can print from that computer and I can print from an Ubuntu box using CUPS. Unfortunately, I'm having some difficulty sharing that printer with Samba. Using hte same Ubuntu box that can print with CUPS I can also print using Samba, but the Windows XP machine I'm |
| 18:48.52 | Bachus9000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.56 | stew | blondie: if i were to discus the number of times the letter "a" appears, it is correct to use "a's" |
| 18:48.57 | fishdish | i'm having a fujitsu siemens scaleo c772 desktop with an extra ps/2mouse,but icant locate the rightdriver |
| 18:49.11 | fishdish | i've tried psaux, tty0-2 |
| 18:49.15 | Hooke | dvs, what do you mean? do you mean that the automatic detection failed or that the info in this web page is wrong? |
| 18:49.20 | gborzi | It's xcircuit version 3.4.10. Debian still has a package 2 years old |
| 18:49.21 | TGoC | abrotman i dont know, that's why i ask, maybe there is like something great like a module or deamon that takes out alot of proxy's or such |
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| 18:49.31 | pipline | airox: Telinit asssumes that init is already running. |
| 18:49.36 | secher | Bachus9000: wow, you've got to break that up some, or simplify it. |
| 18:49.46 | fishdish | but it seems that the mouse driver simply isnot there |
| 18:49.53 | Eclipser | thc, meh, I guess I'll use it for now then |
| 18:50.06 | airox | pipline: good question then :) |
| 18:50.09 | fishdish | i wonder ifit'sthesytem or the user whoneeds an advice |
| 18:50.09 | abrotman | TGoC: that would depend on the service that oyu're trying to defend i suppose |
| 18:50.19 | Bachus9000 | secher: Well, I wanted to give as much information as possible in hopes I could avoid being told to try something I've already done. :) |
| 18:50.20 | airox | pipline: I don't know, I always reboot. |
| 18:50.28 | TGoC | abrotman especially apache aswell as bash shell |
| 18:50.34 | thc | fishdish: /dev/input/mice should pick up a standard PS/2 device |
| 18:51.08 | fishdish | a-ha i tried butit had errors (it wasmissing a configuration file) |
| 18:51.10 | secher | Bachus9000: then just say " did that already with x results". |
| 18:51.21 | abrotman | TGoC: you could ask #apache .. but i'm sure they'll tell you you're crazy :) |
| 18:51.25 | Anyone | !factinfo abrotman |
| 18:51.25 | dpkg | abrotman -- created by abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> at Tue Dec 20 03:30:52 2005 (13 days). |
| 18:51.36 | thc | fishdish: you need to elaborate on that, you're missing your X config? |
| 18:51.45 | TGoC | hehehe abrotman :) |
| 18:51.52 | fishdish | thc , i'll try again. Thenifit works,i'll offer u a shot of Creme de Gras |
| 18:52.05 | thc | grass cream? sweet! |
| 18:52.05 | Eclipser | Anyone, https://eclipser.no-ip.org/eclipser.jpg |
| 18:52.12 | gborzi | abrotman: it's xcircuit |
| 18:52.20 | abrotman | gborzi: like gEDA ? |
| 18:52.25 | Anyone | Eclipser, ok, I'll check |
| 18:52.38 | gborzi | No, it's mainly to draw circuits |
| 18:52.45 | abrotman | that's what gEDA is :) |
| 18:52.48 | TGoC | ok anyway thanks for helping abrotman |
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| 18:52.52 | fishdish | thc ... nope... (gnutella for "the art and science of cooking with cannabis" andyou'll find the recipe) |
| 18:52.55 | abrotman | gborzi: http://geda.seul.org/ |
| 18:52.56 | Eclipser | Anyone, feminine enough :) |
| 18:53.00 | Anyone | Eclipser, you're norwegian? |
| 18:53.06 | Eclipser | close |
| 18:53.07 | Eclipser | finnish |
| 18:53.14 | Anyone | Eclipser, well, long hair an' everything, good enough for me ;-) |
| 18:53.21 | Eclipser | :p |
| 18:53.28 | less | begin |
| 18:53.37 | gborzi | abrotman: to my knowledge geda is also mainly for analysis of circuits |
| 18:53.45 | Anyone | Eclipser, the beard kinda ruins it for me though. |
| 18:53.49 | abrotman | !info geda sarge |
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| 18:53.56 | dpkg | geda: (GNU EDA -- Electronics design software), section electronics, is optional. Version: 20050313-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
| 18:54.08 | Anyone | !eclipser |
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| 18:54.24 | Fluten | grip will only rip cds for me as root. how can i make my cdrom drive accessible to it with normal users? |
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| 18:54.39 | abrotman | gborzi: anyways .. you can try the #debian-mentors channel .. or email one of the appropriate lists |
| 18:54.59 | Anyone | ignores me, dpkg does? |
| 18:55.02 | stew | Fluten: "adduser username cdrom" then that user must logout and back in before he'll get the new permissions |
| 18:55.15 | Anyone | abrotman, does dpkg ignore anyone? |
| 18:55.17 | abrotman | Anyone: stop messing with the bot |
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| 18:55.35 | gborzi | abortman: I tried to subscribe the list, but it didn't worked. Thanks for the debian-mentors suggestion. By. |
| 18:55.38 | Anyone | abrotman, stop giving senseless orders! |
| 18:55.39 | stew | Anyone: dpkg didn't respond becuase it didnt' have a factoid named "eclipser" |
| 18:55.44 | Anyone | k |
| 18:55.47 | thc | Anyone: you are an annoying twat. |
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| 18:56.07 | stew | Anyone: and if you want to play with the bot, please do so with /msg or in #debian-bots |
| 18:56.16 | Anyone | thc: And you have an ignorelist the size of manhattan. |
| 18:56.22 | stew | thc: no need to start name calling, just use ignore |
| 18:56.25 | abrotman | Anyone: quite honestly .. it wasn't senseless .. |
| 18:56.39 | abrotman | dpkg: shit on secher |
| 18:56.48 | dvs | Hooke: Horizontal: 30-70 Vertical: 48-120 |
| 18:56.50 | dvs | That's it |
| 18:56.55 | abrotman | i really didn'tk now that existed |
| 18:56.58 | secher | abrotman: *DICK* LOL. |
| 18:56.59 | abrotman | secher: sorry |
| 18:57.04 | thc | dpkg: don't forget to wash your hands after |
| 18:57.11 | secher | abrotman: is all good.. too funny. |
| 18:57.15 | Fluten | stew, my cdrom is hdd, do i need to symlink it to /dev/cdrom in order for the normal users to access it? |
| 18:57.28 | dvs | Hooke: http://www.sony-cp.com/manuals/archive/a220.pdf |
| 18:57.47 | Anyone | OK, I need some help. Can I just grap the newest kernel from unstable / expirimental and throw it on Sarge, and if not, how do I upgrade to a newest kernel? |
| 18:58.00 | stew | Fluten: do you have udev installed? if not then yes you should, and chgrp cdrom /dev/hdd |
| 18:58.12 | abrotman | Anyone: why do you need a newer kernel ? |
| 18:58.23 | stew | abrotman: he needs it for dvb support |
| 18:58.28 | Anyone | abrotman, to get the tv-card working |
| 18:58.30 | Hooke | dvs, ok, thanks |
| 18:58.30 | lekvar | Anyone - watch out if you're using a laptop... |
| 18:58.39 | dvs | Hooke: No problem |
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| 18:58.40 | secher | hafta see if this image burnt correctly.. bbiab. |
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| 18:58.50 | abrotman | you can either grab one from etch .. or compile your own .. though i haven't heard anything good about 2.6.14 :) |
| 18:58.54 | everett_ | What is a good way to find out what chipset, modules, etc I need to build into my kernel? |
| 18:58.57 | Anyone | lekvar, I am .. not this box though. :o) |
| 18:59.10 | moshii | 2.6.15 is in experimental ... |
| 18:59.14 | Fluten | stew, thankyou, it works for my normal user now |
| 18:59.14 | Anyone | abrotman, cool, I only need 2.6.12 or something though, I guess. |
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| 18:59.23 | stew | Fluten: you're welcome |
| 18:59.26 | Anyone | stew it was 2.6.12, right? |
| 18:59.29 | stew | Anyone: yes |
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| 18:59.45 | abrotman | 2.6.12 is in etch .. grab the package .. and pray |
| 19:00.01 | lekvar | abrotman: I second what you just said. I'm having nothing but trouble with pcmciautils <-> udev/hotplug <-> interrupt problems <-> I can't even get rid of pcmcia-cs <-> here have a handfull of hair |
| 19:00.15 | moshii | does anyone know how to stop agpgart and via-agp etc loading at boot? Iããããããããããï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ |
| 19:00.21 | abrotman | lekvar: just be thankful you still have some :) |
| 19:00.27 | thc | what the fuck was that? |
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| 19:00.28 | moshii | sorry, uim went nuts |
| 19:00.30 | abrotman | moshii: are you retarded ? |
| 19:00.31 | stew | Anyone: the etch kernel should work fine in sarge but you won't be able to compile additional 3rd party modules for it under sarge |
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| 19:00.38 | lekvar | abrotman - I am! And I'm definitely dressing up as yenta_socket next halloween |
| 19:00.46 | thc | abrotman: you ever build that mATX box for your home ent. system? |
| 19:00.47 | Anyone | moshii, delete them. |
| 19:00.49 | abrotman | lekvar: damn gremlins :) |
| 19:00.56 | stew | moshii: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 19:00.56 | Bachus9000 | I have a Samba server running on Debian with a printer shared. Ubuntu can print to it fine (using either Samba or CUPS) but Windows can not. (short enough, secher :)) |
| 19:00.58 | Anyone | moshii, delete them or move them. I guess. |
| 19:00.59 | abrotman | thc: i'm working on it .. and it's mITX :) |
| 19:01.03 | thc | !!!!! |
| 19:01.03 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 19:01.03 | abrotman | thc: why ? |
| 19:01.10 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:01.13 | Anyone | stew, ouch |
| 19:01.13 | abrotman | thc: logicsupply.com |
| 19:01.32 | thc | abrotman: because i came across a used mATX mobo for free and i'm considering buying an mATX case for it |
| 19:01.38 | lekvar | abrotman: my research so far has led me to appreciate linus's argumentative style on kernel dev list.... |
| 19:01.51 | everett_ | What is the command I preform to list loaded modules, and the other that lists my hardware? |
| 19:01.54 | sep | Anyone, backports.org could also be used. those packages are atlest tested on sarge. |
| 19:02.04 | moshii | everett_: lsmod lspci |
| 19:02.09 | blondie | ffs |
| 19:02.13 | blondie | is this #debian? |
| 19:02.18 | lekvar | abrotman: what, if any, is your involvement in the debian project anyhow? |
| 19:02.22 | Anyone | sep, ahh, good point! |
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| 19:02.33 | abrotman | thc: oh .. and you want to know how i'm planning to do it? |
| 19:02.41 | abrotman | lekvar: none |
| 19:02.56 | abrotman | lekvar: why? |
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| 19:03.16 | abrotman | thc: btw .. it's been pointed out via debstats .. i need a life :) |
| 19:03.18 | lekvar | abrotman: for some reason you came off to me as though you might be |
| 19:03.25 | lekvar | abrotman: nothing sinister : |
| 19:03.31 | danieldg | is there a tool like smartctl for SATA drives? |
| 19:03.31 | abrotman | lekvar: i've thought about becoming a DD .. but haven't |
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| 19:03.42 | abrotman | danieldg: doesn't smart work with sata ?> |
| 19:04.14 | thc | abrotman: i am more curious about how you are running your hard disk, i was going to stick a 3.5 disk in a 5.25 cooler but i only have one 5.25 bay |
| 19:04.29 | danieldg | abrotman: "In Linux, SATA disks accessed via libata are not currently supported by smartmontools." |
| 19:04.34 | moshii | abrotman: smart through sata is in libata post 2.6.15 I think |
| 19:04.36 | abrotman | thc: hehe .. i was gonna use a 2.5" drive :) |
| 19:04.46 | abrotman | danieldg: from the man page ? |
| 19:04.56 | thc | abrotman: fanless? or inside a 3.5 shell |
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| 19:05.05 | lekvar | Has anyone here sucessfully used udev with pcmcia (16 bit) cards? It doesn't seem to react to card insertions unless I manually run /sbin/init.d/pcmcia start (which is supposed to be deprecated by pcmciautils...) |
| 19:05.16 | abrotman | thc: well .. the cases have fans :) |
| 19:05.18 | Anyone | it seems there is only old kernels in etch. |
| 19:05.25 | thc | yeah... |
| 19:05.38 | thc | i just want something small and quiet to play tunes |
| 19:05.39 | stew | Anyone: they were renamed from kernel-image-* to linux-image-* |
| 19:05.50 | blondie | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.20 | abrotman | thc: i was thinking about somehting like v |
| 19:06.22 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:06.23 | abrotman | http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/cPath/23_66/products_id/107 |
| 19:06.27 | Anyone | sorry I am wrong |
| 19:06.29 | thc | cheers |
| 19:06.30 | Anyone | thanks stew |
| 19:06.41 | Anyone | lekvar, No I havn't. |
| 19:06.42 | abrotman | thc: though .. it may not fit a mATX |
| 19:06.42 | pawdro | to update sarge to etch is only required to change 'stable' to 'testing' in sources.list? |
| 19:06.52 | pawdro | and that's all |
| 19:06.53 | pawdro | ? |
| 19:06.54 | stew | pawdro: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 19:06.59 | thc | pawdro: why are you upgrading |
| 19:07.06 | Anyone | lekvar, I havn't really used pcmcia (any bit). |
| 19:07.19 | AciD | !lvm |
| 19:07.19 | dpkg | [lvm] at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 19:07.21 | pawdro | thc: to have newer packages |
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| 19:07.35 | thc | pawdro: it's a good idea to use codenames, i'd put etch instead of testing |
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| 19:07.47 | thc | pawdro: which packages |
| 19:07.50 | pawdro | all |
| 19:07.50 | stew | AciD: if it's not relevant to discussion, please /msg the bot |
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| 19:08.05 | thc | pawdro: if it's a desktop i'd run sid before i ran etch., |
| 19:08.12 | abrotman | thc: we'll see .. i need to start figuring out what i'm going to order |
| 19:08.17 | stew | thc: don't recommend sid to people |
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| 19:08.30 | abrotman | thc: at this point .. the only thing i know i'm getting is a via cpu chipset |
| 19:08.38 | thc | abrotman: is a mITX case really that much smaller than mATX ? |
| 19:08.49 | moshii | stew: sometimes sid is better .. if it's broken it doesn't take weeks for the fixes to move into testing ;) |
| 19:08.56 | pawdro | thc: yes, I use debian for desktop |
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| 19:09.32 | abrotman | thc: 17 cm x 17 cm |
| 19:09.35 | magyar | ahoy |
| 19:09.38 | abrotman | thc: for most of them anyways |
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| 19:09.40 | thc | pawdro: i'd run sid, but that's just me. many times packages don't move into etch and they remain in sid, if you know what you are doing you can fix broken packages and dependencies. |
| 19:09.41 | magyar | how can i sync the time on a sarge system with the outside time servers? |
| 19:09.41 | stew | moshii: more often, sid is worse. and if he doesn't even know how to updgade to testing, he is definately not ready for unstable |
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| 19:10.03 | abrotman | thc: http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/cPath/78_76/products_id/463 .. that's pretty damn cool .. SMP machine in a 17cm x 17cm form factor :) |
| 19:10.15 | dvs | thc: pawdro is asking how to upgrade from sarge. That implies pawdro is new at this |
| 19:10.28 | moshii | stew: as long as he doesn't come bitch here; it's a fun way to learn how debian works |
| 19:10.29 | lekvar | "Results 1 - 61 of about 9,490 for yenta_socket evil" Hah. |
| 19:10.31 | pawdro | dvs: im still learning |
| 19:10.40 | thc | whoa multi cpus in a tiny case |
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| 19:11.19 | thc | dvs: i didn't tell him to install sid. i am making him aware that testing is not always in a better state than unstable. |
| 19:11.19 | abrotman | thc: pretty cool eh? :) |
| 19:11.36 | danieldg | abrotman: from looking at the manpage and the smartmontools site, I got 'smartctl -d ata -a /dev/sda' which gives the error 'Smartctl: Device Read Identity Failed (not an ATA/ATAPI device)' |
| 19:11.41 | thc | abrotman: fo'rill |
| 19:11.41 | moshii | thc: I've had an m68k and ppc inside an amiga .. desktop ;) |
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| 19:11.48 | beardy | thc: Most people that asks about etch or sid here should not be running it. |
| 19:11.58 | abrotman | danieldg: moshii made a comment about sata and smartmon |
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| 19:12.06 | Anyone | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6-k7_2.6.14-6bpo1_i386.deb |
| 19:12.08 | davor | hey, guys |
| 19:12.10 | thc | beardy: that logic is just plain stupid. what if they need drivers that are not available in sarge's kernel? |
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| 19:12.20 | davor | how do i allow ordinary users to log into my ssh server? |
| 19:12.23 | beardy | thc: That's your opinion. |
| 19:12.28 | abrotman | thc: the etch 2.6.12 works on sarge |
| 19:12.33 | dvs | thc: Just install the kernel |
| 19:12.44 | pipline | thc: Wait for it. |
| 19:12.59 | beardy | thc: "drivers" has nothing to do with which release they run. |
| 19:13.00 | Anyone | thc, with your widthened brain, you must be easy doing that. |
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| 19:13.08 | donfilipo | uh that's realy tough.. i restarted 50 times today...ok anyone who can help with sapphire radeon 9000 pro graphics it freezes the machine in 3d games??? |
| 19:13.13 | stew | thc: beardy's logic is not stupid |
| 19:13.14 | danieldg | abrotman: I don't see moshii's comment |
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| 19:13.29 | thc | donfilipo: opengl games? |
| 19:13.31 | danieldg | abrotman: nm, found it |
| 19:13.33 | Anyone | donfilipo, not really. I don't have ATI card personally. |
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| 19:13.42 | moshii | danieldg: check the libata page .. |
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| 19:13.58 | stew | donfilipo: are you running the free drivers or fglrx? |
| 19:13.59 | FallOnMe | davor: they should be able to log in with the default setup, if the sshd is running. |
| 19:14.07 | dad_ | hey, all - i'm trying to bring knoppix 3.6 up to a full install of debian etch - any suggestions? |
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| 19:14.17 | stew | dad_: /msg dpkg ig |
| 19:14.24 | donfilipo | yap anyone you should change your name FallOnMe listen to the incredible story |
| 19:14.27 | dad_ | stew: thanks |
| 19:14.34 | dad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.42 | dad_ | gar! |
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| 19:15.22 | starshine | dad_: yeah, start with sarge instead, it's closer to center |
| 19:15.33 | stew | dad_: there is no way to upgrade a knoppix system to end up with a full install of debian etch, you need to install fresh |
| 19:15.45 | dad_ | damn! |
| 19:15.50 | starshine | dad_: and failing that go get knoppix 4.02 to use so some of the updates have been done |
| 19:15.58 | Anyone | don_inlab, the incredible story? |
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| 19:16.03 | donfilipo | well it seems to me i had downloaded ati drivers for xfree86 server and everything worked ok cause i havent played any games... |
| 19:16.06 | FallOnMe | donfilipo: eh? |
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| 19:16.19 | starshine | dad_: actually I have converted knoppixen to "pure state" but I assure you it's a royal pita. |
| 19:16.26 | beardy | starshine: keep it in #knoppix and as a livecd here. |
| 19:16.28 | Anyone | donfilipo, I noticed a link to some pretty intersting pages about ATI drivers on fsf.org |
| 19:16.29 | dad_ | it's just that dialup sucks! and i don't want to wait like 3 weeks |
| 19:16.30 | danieldg | moshii: so I need to apply a kernel patch like http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/jgarzik/libata/ ? |
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| 19:16.44 | moshii | donfilipo: maybe your cooler isn't working? |
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| 19:16.53 | beardy | danieldg: Order preburned dvd:s or cd:s. |
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| 19:17.02 | starshine | beardy: I assure you my recommend is the plain debooststrap or d-i route :) |
| 19:17.12 | donfilipo | than i upgraded my software with synaptic yesterday and my xserver went kaput |
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| 19:17.22 | beardy | dad_: Order preburned dvd:s or cd:s. |
| 19:17.32 | moshii | danieldg: or just use 2.6.15 from experimental |
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| 19:17.47 | ILF_ | in 2.6.14 my sound only works when running alsaconf after every boot-time. in 2.6.12 after running it i get no errors, but i don't hear anything. settings in alsamixer are fine.. |
| 19:17.53 | schlesix | Hi all. Is here a maintainer for the Debian Hurd distro? |
| 19:17.55 | Padnah | I have just installed Debian on my tower and need help with the display resolution configuration of the KDE GUI |
| 19:18.02 | starshine | dad_: get a mailed set. worth every penny |
| 19:18.05 | dvs | ILF_: Put the "snd_" modules in the /etc/modules file |
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| 19:18.11 | ILF_ | dvs: which ones? |
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| 19:18.16 | thc | !Drxx Padnah |
| 19:18.16 | dpkg | Padnah: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:18.27 | dvs | ILF_: the ones listed in lsmod after your run alsaconf |
| 19:18.29 | beardy | schlesix: Most ceirtanly yes. Probably not in here though, but who knows.. |
| 19:18.32 | donfilipo | i obviosly somehowe changed my server from xfree on xorg and now the machine freezes and i can not use fglrx driver |
| 19:18.42 | dad_ | i could do that... |
| 19:18.56 | ILF_ | dvs: that's too easy? :p |
| 19:19.02 | thc | donfilipo: opengl apps are known to crash on xorg. |
| 19:19.09 | ILF_ | dvs: thanks. any idea about the .12 problem? no sound, no error? |
| 19:19.11 | stew | donfilipo: we cannot provide help for a closed source driver like fglrx. you don't need it anyway, the free driver provides 3d support for 9000 radeons |
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| 19:19.18 | danieldg | moshii: if I am going to compile the kernel, would you recommend getting 2.6.15-rc7 or 2.6.15-rc5 from debian? |
| 19:19.24 | beardy | schlesix: hmm, I read "here" as "there" at first.. |
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| 19:19.48 | stew | donfilipo: if you are running fglrx on xorg on sarge, that is far from being supported. you should be trying to get this working with free drivers on xfree86 |
| 19:19.52 | dvs | ILF_: People usually forget to UNMUTE the channels (not just raise the volume) |
| 19:20.00 | ILF_ | dvs: nope, checked it |
| 19:20.00 | moshii | danieldg: I think I'm running rc5.. only problem so far is module-assitant won't work, but that's easy to fix |
| 19:20.19 | donfilipo | thc can i go to freex again?...stew i know but machine freezes and my ventilator is better than our armys helicopter |
| 19:20.41 | beardy | !drxx Padnah |
| 19:20.48 | dpkg | Padnah: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 19:20.51 | thc | donfilipo: are you on sarge? |
| 19:21.00 | donfilipo | yes sarge thc |
| 19:21.16 | danieldg | moshii: I'm not sure what that means; does it interfere with the make-kpkg build process? |
| 19:21.21 | Hooke | hi again. dvs , it seems to work, I can set the resolution, but something is not going very well. when I start session, the screen goes black and I have to turn off and on the monitor. This happens for 70 Hz. If I try to change it to 75 Hz, the image doesnt come back at all. |
| 19:21.21 | beardy | !tell Padnah -about resolution |
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| 19:21.30 | thc | donfilipo: so you installed xorg from the backport ? |
| 19:21.58 | moshii | danieldg: nah, the linux-headers package is screwed so no modules build, you only have to comment out one line to fix it :) |
| 19:22.12 | dvs | Hooke: I'm not sure about how to fix that. |
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| 19:22.46 | danieldg | moshii: so I should be able to use make-kpkg and have it build nvidia module as normal, right? Or do I need to change something? |
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| 19:22.57 | Hooke | dvs, have you encountered this kind of problem? |
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| 19:23.06 | dvs | Hooke: Nope, never. |
| 19:23.12 | donfilipo | i have no idea i guess it happened upgrading but i am not shure anymore..cause in the morning i had no idea about xsevers and graphics and it just didn't work ...now it freezes only in 3d games that's a step forward |
| 19:23.33 | thc | donfilipo: X -version |
| 19:23.35 | donfilipo | with the help from this chanell |
| 19:23.35 | ohad | hi, i am still having trouble install ipw2200 for some reason, i was able to install the ieee80211 but for some reason, wheneveri try to install it from source or using my module-assitant it doesn't work. can't build the damn pkg. running sarge, 2.6.12-1-686 |
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| 19:24.00 | donfilipo | x-version is a command i guess thc? |
| 19:24.15 | thc | donfilipo: no, it's X -version (show me the very first line of output) |
| 19:24.29 | moshii | danieldg:not sure, are you going to build from the debian source? |
| 19:24.57 | tr1gg3r | hi im on sid and just upgraded to xorg 6.9, anyone know how to get all of the buttons on a logitech mx700 working again? my wheel still works but my side buttons dont do forward and backward in firefox anymore |
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| 19:25.13 | danieldg | moshii: I was thinking of getting rc7 from kernel.org; would the debian source work better? |
| 19:25.22 | beardy | tr1gg3r: Did you ask about that yesterday too? |
| 19:25.28 | ILF_ | !Drxx tr1gg3r |
| 19:25.28 | dpkg | tr1gg3r: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:25.44 | tr1gg3r | beardy, no |
| 19:25.52 | donfilipo | X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Debian 6.8.2.dfsg.1-11 20051129054125 David Nusin ..that's it thc |
| 19:26.09 | beardy | tr1gg3r: Ok. |
| 19:26.16 | Hooke | dvs, ok, at least now I can set the rate. thanks ;) |
| 19:26.28 | dvs | Hooke: Sorry I couldn't help more |
| 19:26.48 | Anyone | ok .. going to reboot. |
| 19:27.04 | Anyone | tr1gg3r, sorry .. going to reboot ... perhaps later. |
| 19:27.16 | Anyone | tr1gg3r, I have mx700 at home though .. works like a charm |
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| 19:27.32 | moshii | danieldg: There probably isn't much difference, just depends if the module problem is part of the debian patches |
| 19:27.46 | Narada | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.54 | tr1gg3r | Anyone, any quick tips before reboot, mine worked great before xorg 6.9 |
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| 19:28.15 | Hooke | dvs no problem, thanks |
| 19:28.25 | thc | donfilipo: you might be screwed, unless you want to reinstall sarge and go back to xfree86. |
| 19:28.29 | Anyone | tr1gg3r, I have not trtied xorg .. but I use usb-mouse. device = /dev/input/mice |
| 19:28.33 | stew | Narada: they should conflict so installing one should remove the other, if you want to be explicit you can "apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-mpm-worker-" |
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| 19:28.44 | moshii | danieldg: comment out include $(srctree)/arch/i386/Makefile.cpu in linux-headers*/arch/i386/Makefile if you can't build the nvidia module |
| 19:28.49 | Eulex | Narada, they conflict with each other, so if you install apache2-mpm-prefork, pache2-mpm-worker will be removed |
| 19:28.56 | magyar | i have a problem with qpopperor inetd, dont know which one for sure but occasionaly the port 110 stops responding until i reHUP inetd. Can anyone help a brother? |
| 19:29.07 | iturk | hi there my UML hangs in Setting the System Clock using the Hardware Clock as reference... |
| 19:29.09 | Narada | stew: Eulex okay as long as it is automatically removed that's fine thank you |
| 19:29.10 | donfilipo | thc is there no other option as to reinstall??? |
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| 19:29.15 | iturk | any idea?! |
| 19:29.23 | stew | donfilipo: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:29.51 | thc | donfilipo: as far as i know, no. i also had problems with opengl apps crashing on xorg on one of my desktops, and i had to go back to sarge on it., |
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| 19:30.27 | donfilipo | i am trying to go back to xfree86 cause ati drivers are much better for xfree and 3d games...other way on xorg it freezes |
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| 19:30.50 | stew | donfilipo: did you try apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
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| 19:31.17 | donfilipo | nope i should stew |
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| 19:31.27 | thc | donfilipo: i don't know what to tell you. a downgrade is probably not possible. i'm going to lunch. |
| 19:31.33 | stew | donfilipo: there is no way that you have to reinstall just to switch x servers |
| 19:31.47 | ILF_ | no one know, why i don't get sound in 2.6.12 after alsaconfig, although i don't get errors, it works in 2.6.14 and i double-checked alsamixer? |
| 19:31.57 | stew | thc: he's not trying to downgrade |
| 19:32.36 | pumpkin0 | can apt-get fetch source-pkgs, complie with CPU-specific optimisations and install them ? |
| 19:32.44 | moshii | ILF_: maybe the support for you chipset is broken in 2.6.12 |
| 19:32.59 | moshii | ILF_: checked dmesg when loading the module etc? |
| 19:33.11 | ILF_ | might be. asus a7n8x (nforce2) onboard |
| 19:33.13 | stew | pumpkin0: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 19:33.35 | ILF_ | moshii: no errors in dmesg |
| 19:33.42 | Acidic32 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1442 |
| 19:33.44 | donfilipo | listen stew it's in my lingo and it says that the newest version of xfree is instaled as i thought |
| 19:33.46 | Acidic32 | why isnt that working? |
| 19:33.57 | Acidic32 | it allows port 22 not 6667 to7000 |
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| 19:34.17 | moshii | ILF_: I suppose the real question is do you actually need to run 2.6.12 anyway? |
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| 19:34.33 | moshii | ILF_: If it works in 2.6.14 leave it at that ;) |
| 19:34.35 | donfilipo | how to switch x server? i have both on my machine..i tried with dpkg-reconfigure but nothing |
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| 19:35.49 | ILF_ | ILF_: problem is, in 2.6.14 dma doesn't work :( |
| 19:36.04 | dvs | talking to yourself? |
| 19:36.14 | stew | donfilipo: "dpkg -l xserver-xorg xserver-xfree86" which one(s) are on a line starting with "ii"? |
| 19:36.18 | ILF_ | s/ILF_/moshii/, hehe |
| 19:37.03 | koudelka_ | is there any good command line torrent client that can download every torrent that is in a folder? |
| 19:37.16 | ILF_ | koudelka_: rtorrent |
| 19:37.25 | cat | rtorrent it's a good client |
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| 19:37.26 | moshii | ILF_: ah, yeah I remember now .. you can build alsa modules with module-assistant I think, maybe the ones from the alsa source would work |
| 19:37.26 | stew | koudelka_: both bittorrent and bittornado provide btdownloadmanycurses |
| 19:37.41 | pumpkin0 | stew: thx. Will these pkgs be 100% replacements in the dependancy-structure ? Can i recompile my own version of gtk2 and still use a normal gtk2-prog w/o dpkg complaining about a missing lib ? |
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| 19:38.02 | donfilipo | uh fuck i was right ..dpkg -l xserver-xorg xserver-xfree86...that's bad ah stew |
| 19:38.11 | Eulex | pumpkin0, yes |
| 19:38.11 | stew | pumpkin0: yes, they will look just like a normal package |
| 19:38.23 | koudelka_ | have tryed to get rtorrent working for an hour |
| 19:38.32 | bizkit | Acidic32: perhaps because /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -j DROP is in front of the one allowing the irc ports, whereas the one allowing ssh is on top. put the ones you want to accept there where they are thought to be |
| 19:38.33 | donfilipo | ii xserver-xfree8 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1 transitional package for moving from xfree86 ...it says that stew |
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| 19:38.42 | pumpkin0 | Eulex: stew THX. compiling time ... |
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| 19:38.55 | th0rndike | hello |
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| 19:39.03 | donfilipo | it really happened by upgrading |
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| 19:39.09 | koudelka_ | i have alot of trouble with dependancies |
| 19:39.16 | kuraia | hi! |
| 19:39.17 | donfilipo | stew any cure now? |
| 19:39.27 | kuraia | has anybody installed squid? |
| 19:39.37 | blondie | !anyone |
| 19:39.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:39.47 | stew | donfilipo: remove whatever source you added to get xorg, apt-get update; then purge x11-common, and then install x-window-system-core and xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:39.59 | dvs | blondie: Can't use that anymore. There is someone called "Anyone" |
| 19:40.00 | ChrisH | kuraia: yes, why? |
| 19:40.04 | stew | kuraia: popcon.debian.org would tell you |
| 19:40.06 | dvs | ;-) |
| 19:40.10 | ohad | distro debian, version testing, tried everything :( from apt-get sources using module-assistant and also from source 1.0.8 and fireware 2.4. i am running 2.6.12-1-686 |
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| 19:40.11 | koudelka_ | do you know any debain-pakage server that has the rtorrent package? |
| 19:40.14 | blondie | dvs: that's their problem :P |
| 19:40.20 | blondie | (for using a stupid nick) |
| 19:40.26 | ohad | ieee1.1.6 |
| 19:40.36 | donfilipo | can i do that in synaptic?...stew |
| 19:40.51 | stew | donfilipo: yes |
| 19:40.54 | th0rndike | i cant compile c programs with gcc cause it doesnt find libraries :( |
| 19:41.01 | bizkit | kuraia: if you just want to serve a small network and have speed in mind, have a look on polipo instead of squid |
| 19:41.03 | stew | th0rndike: what are you compiling? what libs? |
| 19:41.04 | abrotman | th0rndike: did you install build-essential? |
| 19:41.08 | donfilipo | ok thanks |
| 19:41.09 | th0rndike | stdio.h |
| 19:41.10 | th0rndike | lol |
| 19:41.44 | ChrisH | th0rndike: install libc6-dev if you haven't already |
| 19:41.47 | abrotman | th0rndike: did you install build-essential? |
| 19:42.01 | th0rndike | i didnt |
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| 19:42.03 | th0rndike | i am now |
| 19:42.10 | koudelka_ | im installing rtorrent manually, but cant get libsigc++ to work |
| 19:42.31 | ahmed | how good/bad is debian's support for Intel's GMA video cards |
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| 19:42.46 | koudelka_ | i think that the other pakages that are needed but too old |
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| 19:43.24 | th0rndike | the bulid essentials solved the problem |
| 19:43.31 | th0rndike | thx a lot guys |
| 19:43.32 | bizkit | ahmed: this should be a kernel issue, not debian related |
| 19:43.33 | Fleck | virtual dub clone on linux? Help please |
| 19:43.43 | bizkit | ahmed: or x.org/xfree86 |
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| 19:43.56 | moshii | Fleck: don't think there is a decent one |
| 19:44.05 | Fleck | well similar? |
| 19:44.11 | moshii | Fleck: if you want to convert video transcode is good |
| 19:44.17 | bizkit | what about mencoder? |
| 19:44.19 | Fleck | need to convert avi from xvid to divx :) |
| 19:44.25 | kuraia | ChrisH when I type squid -z, returns this Failed to make swap directory /home/kiko/squid/00: (13) Permission denied |
| 19:44.33 | koudelka_ | help would be appriciated |
| 19:44.37 | ahmed | bizkit, yeah .. so how good is kernel's support! I havent really worked with any Intel vid cards |
| 19:44.49 | moshii | Fleck: xvid and divx are essentially the same.. you'll introduce noise |
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| 19:45.02 | bizkit | Fleck: it's all up to the codecs, /msg dpkg w32codecs, and have a look on mencoder (comes with mplayer) |
| 19:45.02 | ChrisH | kuraia: come over to #squid |
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| 19:45.49 | ChrisH | kuraia: Or in short terms: make sure the directory is writeable by proxy:proxy |
| 19:45.59 | pawdro | what to write in sources.list instead of deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates |
| 19:46.00 | pawdro | ? |
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| 19:46.31 | bizkit | man 5 sources.list |
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| 19:46.41 | dvs | pawdro: add "main" to the end |
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| 19:47.21 | koudelka_ | need backup |
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| 19:47.33 | pawdro | dvs ive got deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib |
| 19:47.40 | pawdro | and ive got main there |
| 19:47.58 | pawdro | should it be like that? |
| 19:47.58 | ILF_ | moshii: Installation of the alsa-source source failed. :( |
| 19:48.01 | dvs | Is there security updates for "contrib"? |
| 19:48.14 | ILF_ | in module-assistant |
| 19:48.17 | pawdro | there is for stable |
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| 19:48.26 | bizkit | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 19:48.53 | pawdro | bizkit thats all? |
| 19:48.54 | Dave0 | uhh |
| 19:48.56 | Dave0 | need help |
| 19:49.05 | bizkit | pawdro: yes |
| 19:49.09 | breedx | Any ideas why 'shutdown -r now' is prompting for password and going into single user mode? None of my other installs do that...? |
| 19:49.24 | cmdKeen | in all browsers(Firefox, Opera, Konqueror...) elements displayed in certain font(MS Sans Serif) are completly unreadable(like font contained no characters). How can I remove that font from system or find out what's wrong ? |
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| 19:49.34 | Dave0 | when i type wget in debian linux it says command not found is that normal? ( im newbie to linux) |
| 19:49.47 | bizkit | Dave0: apt-get isntall wget |
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| 19:49.52 | bizkit | err, install |
| 19:50.25 | ReneSDK | good everning. I have a pretty big problem. When i try to run the apt-get dist-update i get this error: tiff = 3.6.1-47 | tiff = 3.6.1-47.4 is needed by tiff-3.6.1-47.6 E: Transaction set check failed E: Handler silently failed. What is the problem? |
| 19:50.41 | Dave0 | thx |
| 19:50.43 | wau | hi I'm having trouble configuring me laptop to connect to the internet. I'm using a USB network device. Which seems like it is recognized when I boot. |
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| 19:51.59 | wau | but non of my settings are auto detected |
| 19:52.07 | bizkit | wireless lan? |
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| 19:52.26 | wau | not wireless |
| 19:52.30 | wau | a usb device |
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| 19:52.57 | ReneSDK | i should add that i'm using SUSE 9.2 with the apt4rpm port of the apt-get tool. I had it working once, but now that's i've reinstalled i can't get it towork proberly. |
| 19:54.10 | SimonRaven | and why should we care? |
| 19:54.38 | stew | ReneSDK: find a channel that is relevant to your distribution, your questions are off-topic here |
| 19:55.18 | ReneSDK | okay sorry. I was recommended to go here as it was a problem with apt-get. I'm sorry for disturbing then. |
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| 19:55.32 | Dave0 | umm how can i setup my network connection? |
| 19:55.41 | Dave0 | wont let me download stuff :\ |
| 19:55.46 | wau | ok. I guess I'm not being specific enough |
| 19:55.54 | bizkit | dpkg: tell dave about interfaces |
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| 19:56.02 | bizkit | dpkg: tell Dave0 about interfaces |
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| 19:56.30 | Dave0 | thx |
| 19:56.33 | ChrisH | Dave0: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 19:56.41 | DarKnesS_WolF | how to enable GL in Debian etch ? |
| 19:57.15 | DarKnesS_WolF | i mean openGL |
| 19:57.26 | abrotman | DarKnesS_WolF: what kind of video card ? |
| 19:57.42 | ohad | there's something really instersting that is happening with my hd. it requested that i run fsck a couple days ago, after i did it worked fine. now everytime i restart my machine it gives me the 'ctrl+d' option' or root passwd for fsck. if i choose ctrl+d it restarts the machine and scanns the hd (so fsck really works). it happens like that every time. any ideas why? |
| 19:57.50 | pawdro | how to verify signatures from http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
| 19:58.05 | abrotman | pawdro: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 19:58.06 | ohad | is my hd just screwed? |
| 19:58.13 | DarKnesS_WolF | abrotman: it's have openGL ... ATI rage 128 Pro " 32 MB "all in wonder |
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| 19:58.29 | Dave0 | never was good at linux :P |
| 19:58.32 | abrotman | DarKnesS_WolF: afaik .. the regular ati or radeon driver should work |
| 19:58.43 | ChrisH | ohad: Any errors? Like you need to "fsck" manually? |
| 19:58.44 | DarKnesS_WolF | abrotman: glxgears show me very little number of frams like ~250 |
| 19:58.52 | Jinkguns | The iforce driver is giving me all kinds of hell. My kernel freezes up when it tries to load it. :/. |
| 19:58.52 | abrotman | DarKnesS_WolF: it's not a very powerful card iirc |
| 19:58.57 | DarKnesS_WolF | abrotman: wich make everything slow i think i'm not loading DRI ? |
| 19:59.01 | abrotman | DarKnesS_WolF: isn't that card .. like 5 years old ? |
| 19:59.11 | DarKnesS_WolF | abrotman: yes but it was woring fine with Mandriva |
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| 19:59.34 | abrotman | DarKnesS_WolF: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. when it asks about the dri section .. say yes .. and pick either the radeon or ati driver .. |
| 19:59.42 | abrotman | (i don't think it's radeon.. but it could be) |
| 19:59.43 | DarKnesS_WolF | abrotman: may be i'm not loading hte modules of DRI / GLX ? or the GL thing hwo can i do that? |
| 19:59.45 | DarKnesS_WolF | okay thx |
| 19:59.52 | DarKnesS_WolF | abrotman: nop it's not readeon |
| 19:59.56 | DarKnesS_WolF | it's rage |
| 20:00.00 | abrotman | DarKnesS_WolF: then ati i suppose |
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| 20:00.25 | stew | just choose ati and if its a radeon, the driver will detect that and switch anyway |
| 20:00.32 | abrotman | oh yeah .. i forgot about that in xorg |
| 20:00.44 | abrotman | damn gravity and his niftiness |
| 20:00.46 | ohad | ChrisH, is there a place where i can look for the error? i just remeber i had the mount the filesys, first plugin my root passwd. if i just choose ctrl+d it will restart and then run fsck automatically. |
| 20:00.50 | stew | (at the penalty of a few seconds of load time) |
| 20:01.06 | wau | ok. well using # route How do I clear the routing table so that I can use the values from my desktop machine |
| 20:01.18 | ChrisH | ohad: It should tell you right before you get asked for the root password. Like "Please run .... to check your disk manually." |
| 20:01.19 | wau | on my lap top |
| 20:01.24 | bizkit | DarKnesS_WolF: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 20:01.33 | ohad | ChrisH, the next time restarted the same thing, i need to plugin my root pass or ctrl+d and if i choose ctrl+d it will reboot and scan my disk again |
| 20:01.51 | DarKnesS_WolF | thx bizkit |
| 20:01.56 | ohad | ChrisH, yes. i'm almost certian that it wanted fsck |
| 20:02.16 | ohad | ChrisH, how do i verify if that is really true? |
| 20:02.18 | ChrisH | ohad: Then you should simlpy need to follow those instructions. |
| 20:02.21 | ChrisH | ohad: Reboot and read. :) |
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| 20:02.55 | ohad | ChrisH, if i just do ctrl+d it will reboot and scan it automtaically |
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| 20:03.22 | pawdro | are backports for etch? |
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| 20:03.34 | ChrisH | pawdro: no, sarge or woody |
| 20:03.37 | mtnman | ohad: you may need to pass different options to fsck than is done by the scan at boot time. |
| 20:03.42 | Thanatermesis | the INTEL chipsets graphic cards only accepts 16 colors bits for the 3D acceleration ? |
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| 20:03.53 | Maulkin | pawdro: Is there a particular package you need? |
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| 20:04.31 | ohad | mtnman, what kind of options? and i usually just choose 'yes' on all the clearing options |
| 20:04.35 | adrian_ | sal |
| 20:04.39 | pawdro | Maulkin: no, i just ask because i downloaded some packages during using sarge |
| 20:04.59 | Maulkin | pawdro: Ok. Normally, packages enter testing fairly quickly. |
| 20:05.01 | mtnman | ohad: i don't know off hand, but man fsck could prove enlightening. |
| 20:05.07 | Maulkin | pawdro: So you don't really need backports |
| 20:05.12 | pawdro | Maulkin: ok |
| 20:05.12 | ohad | mtnman, k. thx |
| 20:05.14 | pawdro | right |
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| 20:05.24 | adrian_ | how to instal KDE desktop for ubuntu? |
| 20:05.28 | mtnman | ohad: you're welcome and happy reading. |
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| 20:05.35 | stew | adrian_: ask #ubuntu |
| 20:05.37 | dvs | Adrian: #ubunto |
| 20:05.39 | dvs | Adrian: #ubuntu |
| 20:05.40 | ludi | is there an open source nvidia driver? |
| 20:05.48 | bizkit | ohad: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 20:05.48 | Maulkin | ludi: yes, nv |
| 20:06.04 | ohad | bizkit, edit it to say what? |
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| 20:06.13 | bizkit | FSCKFIX=yes |
| 20:06.17 | ludi | one that supports 3D I mean |
| 20:06.24 | Anyone | ok |
| 20:06.32 | Anyone | Now scantv finds some channels! |
| 20:06.33 | Maulkin | ludi: If nv doesn't then no, probably not |
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| 20:07.54 | Anyone | I get some error though. |
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| 20:08.21 | Anyone | cx88[0]: ioctl 0x4004560e (v4l2, -w, VIDIOC_PREVIEW) |
| 20:08.21 | Anyone | CORE IOCTL: 0xc054561d |
| 20:08.28 | DarKnesS_WolF | didn't work :-s even i fined that DRI and glx are loaded in section module in xorg.conf / any idea ?glxinfo shows lots of info but the frams are very few. |
| 20:08.31 | Anyone | (from dmesg) |
| 20:09.02 | bizkit | DarKnesS_WolF: read the page |
| 20:09.14 | DarKnesS_WolF | bizkit: i did but mine is not redaeon |
| 20:09.28 | dvs | Anyone: those don't look like error messages |
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| 20:09.43 | Anyone | dvs, ok |
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| 20:09.57 | ohad | what are the win32 fonts? |
| 20:10.02 | Anyone | dvs, well, something goes wrong, I just have black screen, even though scantv found channels. |
| 20:10.15 | Anyone | !find mswin |
| 20:10.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mswin' (4): (/usr/share/vim/vim64/mswin.vim) in editors/vim-runtime ;; (/usr/share/mimelnk/text/x-mswinurl.desktop) in libs/kdelibs-data ;; (/usr/share/doc/swi-prolog-doc/UserGuide/mswin.html) in doc/swi-prolog-doc ;; (/etc/varkon/mdf/english/{mswin.INC|mswin.MDF}, /etc/varkon/mdf/swedish/{mswin.INC|mswin.MDF}) in x11/varkon. |
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| 20:10.28 | bizkit | ohad: truetype fonts |
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| 20:10.48 | ohad | there's a pkg that i need for flash (the fonts are really small) what pkg is that.. i forgot |
| 20:11.02 | ChrisH | ohad: msttcorefonts? |
| 20:11.04 | stew | ohad: gsfonts-x11 |
| 20:11.20 | ohad | ChrisH, yes. thx |
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| 20:12.03 | Anyone | This is xawtv-3.94, running on Linux/i686 (2.6.14-2-k7) |
| 20:12.03 | Anyone | /dev/video0 [v4l2]: ioctl VIDIOC_G_FBUF: Invalid argument |
| 20:12.20 | LollypopsInAWire | hello All. After a dist-upgrade (testing), my network stopped working. My Debian box cant communicate with the Linksys Router (DHCP server enabled). I can access the local network by using "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.120" but DNS is messed. Cant resolve anything. I have checked the resolver.conf and it seems ok. Anyone knows how can I fix the DHCP client? |
| 20:12.31 | Anyone | LollypopsInAWire, try rebooting. |
| 20:12.51 | postel | Its not M$ dude.. |
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| 20:13.02 | Anyone | LollypopsInAWire, or perhaps just "ifdown -a ; ifup -a" |
| 20:13.08 | Anyone | postel, sorry ;-) |
| 20:13.19 | LollypopsInAWire | Anyone: I have rebooted several times! |
| 20:13.23 | dad | #ugt_team |
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| 20:13.26 | dad | !top10 |
| 20:13.30 | bizkit | ? |
| 20:13.45 | Anyone | LollypopsInAWire, either you need to reboot the router once more, reconfigure it, or your GNU/Linux box might be misconfigured. |
| 20:13.57 | dad | kurwa |
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| 20:14.02 | dad | fake |
| 20:14.09 | Anyone | dad, what means that? Hooker? |
| 20:14.13 | LollypopsInAWire | Anyone, why the router? Window boxes are functional... |
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| 20:14.38 | postel | Anyone: what does "route" say? does it know how to get out? Have you ttied with IP instead of domain name? Have you made sure between connectivity issues and DNS issues |
| 20:14.41 | Anyone | LollypopsInAWire, I would hardly say that. |
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| 20:14.53 | postel | LollypopsInAWire that was.. |
| 20:15.01 | Anyone | postel, yeah |
| 20:15.05 | stew | LollypopsInAWire: you don't get an ip when you /etc/init.d/networking restart? do you get one when you run "dhclient eth0"? |
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| 20:15.14 | ohad | is sid defined as unstable now? |
| 20:15.25 | dvs | ohad: always was |
| 20:15.31 | stew | ohad: always was always will be |
| 20:15.36 | mtnman | ohad: today and every day |
| 20:15.37 | Anyone | LollypopsInAWire, I suspect you never had your GNU/Linux box running properly on the network with DHCP? |
| 20:15.42 | dvs | forever |
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| 20:15.48 | ohad | what is better for a desktop testing or sid? |
| 20:15.58 | initech | ohad: stable? |
| 20:16.00 | stew | ohad: if you have to ask, don't use sid |
| 20:16.04 | LollypopsInAWire | stew, can I paste you the result at #flood? |
| 20:16.04 | Anyone | ohad, SID is the boy who breaks toys. |
| 20:16.06 | mtnman | ohad: if you need to ask, use stable. |
| 20:16.07 | dvs | ohad: Depends with how much you want to put up with |
| 20:16.09 | stew | LollypopsInAWire: yes |
| 20:16.14 | zOrK | stew, god answer |
| 20:16.29 | initech | ohad: seriously, sarge is a perfectly good desktop |
| 20:16.35 | ohad | what about sarge? is sarge ? |
| 20:16.38 | ohad | ah ok |
| 20:16.44 | postel | ohad: sarge is stable |
| 20:16.44 | ohad | i thought that sarge is testing |
| 20:16.46 | bizkit | !iyhtays |
| 20:16.46 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 20:16.48 | bizkit | :D |
| 20:16.52 | Anyone | I think this card is better than the one I returned .. and I lack so little to get it working! |
| 20:17.01 | initech | ohad: it was for so long some people get confused :) |
| 20:17.02 | ohad | what is the name of testing if not sarge? |
| 20:17.05 | stew | ohad: it was testing until june |
| 20:17.11 | stew | ohad: http://debian.org/releases |
| 20:17.12 | postel | ohad: etch |
| 20:17.14 | initech | testing is etch |
| 20:17.25 | ohad | heh :) ok thx |
| 20:17.42 | LollypopsInAWire | stew, its there |
| 20:18.02 | ohad | in my sources.list i should have testing, does that == to etch? |
| 20:18.14 | ChrisH | ohad: yes |
| 20:18.29 | ohad | ChrisH, thx. to all |
| 20:18.43 | dvs | ohad: Depends if you want to controls the upgrade or the Debian Developers do |
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| 20:20.18 | positron | i cant get my dlink usb wlan adapter to work (dwl-122g). i installed linux-wlan-ng and when im doing ifconfig wlan0 up it cannot find the device. i have explored the /etc/wlan/ and loaded the kernel-modules. what im doing wrong? |
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| 20:21.15 | LollypopsInAWire | stew? |
| 20:21.27 | mtnman | positron: you may need to iwconfig before ifconfig |
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| 20:22.14 | positron | mtnman: shell wont recognize iwconfig and i cant apt-get it |
| 20:22.28 | bizkit | positron: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 20:22.30 | mtnman | positron: iirc, it is in wireless-tools |
| 20:22.36 | LollypopsInAWire | hello All. After a dist-upgrade (testing), my network stopped working. My Debian box cant communicate with the Linksys Router (DHCP server enabled). I can access the local network by using "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.120" but DNS is messed. Cant resolve anything. I have checked the resolver.conf and it seems ok. Anyone knows how can I fix the DHCP client? |
| 20:22.39 | wau | come on, throw me a bone. I'm trying to run: #route del -net [IP] netmask eth0. return no such process |
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| 20:23.07 | LollypopsInAWire | or how can I simple set the DNS client, so I can perform another dist-upgrade |
| 20:23.10 | stew | LollypopsInAWire: and other clients on this network can use dhcp? |
| 20:23.12 | mtnman | lollypops: better if you can tell what you did to try to fix it. |
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| 20:23.22 | stew | LollypopsInAWire: dns is configured in resolv.conf |
| 20:23.28 | LollypopsInAWire | stew, sure. at least two other machines |
| 20:23.43 | Anyone | LollypopsInAWire, as I say |
| 20:23.45 | positron | ok. iwconfig now says no wireless extensions. |
| 20:23.47 | stew | LollypopsInAWire: i don't know why "dhclient eth0" wouldn't be working then |
| 20:23.49 | Anyone | LollypopsInAWire, have you had it working? |
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| 20:24.01 | positron | and |
| 20:24.03 | positron | home:/etc/wlan# ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 20:24.03 | positron | wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
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| 20:24.21 | LollypopsInAWire | Anyone, yep. It was fully functional before the dist-upgrade |
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| 20:24.39 | LollypopsInAWire | stew, resolv.conf seems ok. |
| 20:24.48 | ryanium | hm |
| 20:24.55 | ryanium | what kind of wireless card is it positron? |
| 20:25.16 | Anyone | LollypopsInAWire, so, you havn't had it functional since? |
| 20:25.19 | positron | ryanium: dwl-g122. d-link usb adapter |
| 20:25.19 | TCW | hi... anyone in the mood to help one who is nearly about to kick some hardware? It does not matter what application I try to use, I can't establish a working communication between my mobile phone and the computer via IrDA... just irdadump shows me that it "finds" the mobile... anyone familiar with IrDA? *begging* :) |
| 20:25.39 | Anyone | TCW, not really, I am tired like coitus. |
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| 20:25.51 | TCW | *looool* |
| 20:25.51 | LollypopsInAWire | Anyone, only Debian is not working. When I dual boot using windows at the same machine it works fine |
| 20:25.52 | stew | LollypopsInAWire: if you can ping the nameserver in resolv.conf, then dns should be functional (as long as the nameserver is functional) |
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| 20:26.01 | dreamboat | where can I find information about the settings that Konqueror uses to access the internet? |
| 20:26.11 | Fluten | when i startx, my keyboard and mouse do nothing but i can type in a console without x started |
| 20:26.14 | ChrisH | dreamboat: proxy or IP networking? |
| 20:26.25 | Fluten | it wont even let me do ctrl-x-backspace, i have to kill it over ssh. how can i find out whats causing this? |
| 20:26.27 | dreamboat | compared with where the deb system tries to access? |
| 20:26.29 | TCW | is Anyone a bot or a human with a sense of humor? :) |
| 20:26.35 | TCW | human beeing even |
| 20:26.42 | TCW | -e |
| 20:26.47 | ChrisH | dreamboat: huh? |
| 20:26.54 | mtnman | fluten: you obviously have X misconfigured. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:26.55 | positron | Fluten: is everything correct in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
| 20:26.59 | blondie | Anyone doesn't exist |
| 20:27.02 | LollypopsInAWire | stew, hmmm, I can ping only local IPs... |
| 20:27.06 | dreamboat | well.... apt-setup cannot find a connection |
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| 20:27.19 | dreamboat | but I am using Konqueror right now |
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| 20:27.23 | mtnman | lollypops: you need to alter your routing table |
| 20:27.23 | dreamboat | ksirc |
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| 20:27.25 | stew | LollypopsInAWire: becuase you never set a default route |
| 20:27.25 | omer | i couldn't get paper from lexmark x1195 printer in linux, it initializes printer but, couldn't write how can i solve this |
| 20:27.26 | LollypopsInAWire | stew, I have used ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.120 |
| 20:27.34 | dreamboat | mozlla will also not connect |
| 20:27.36 | Anyone | blondie, What do you mean I don't exist? |
| 20:27.38 | ChrisH | dreamboat: do you need to use a proxy? Or do you have a firewall? Can you reach the servers through conqueror? You probably want to ask a concrete question but it's all vague so far... |
| 20:27.54 | LollypopsInAWire | mtnman and stew, nice. Where I set that? |
| 20:28.00 | dreamboat | trying to find the right question to ask I suppose |
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| 20:28.08 | Anyone | TCW, I like to see myself as a person with humor. :-) |
| 20:28.13 | ChrisH | dreamboat: Does any part of your network communication work? |
| 20:28.15 | mtnman | lollypops: /etc/networking interfaces, or man route. |
| 20:28.21 | dreamboat | i am plugged into the eth port of an adsl modem |
| 20:28.22 | sonyman | I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade in etch, and after where it says "Setting up initramfs-tools (0.46) ..." it says "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-1-686-smp was been altered. Cannot update. |
| 20:28.22 | sonyman | " What does that mean? |
| 20:28.26 | TCW | Anyone, I try to do it too ;) |
| 20:28.39 | dreamboat | usd of modem in into xp, which is currently turned off |
| 20:28.44 | stew | LollypopsInAWire: if you want to do it temporarily, route add default gw 192.168.1.1 ; if you want to do it permanantly, edit /etc/network/interfaces and switch it from dhcp to static (man interfaces) |
| 20:29.05 | LollypopsInAWire | auto eth0 |
| 20:29.06 | LollypopsInAWire | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:29.10 | ChrisH | dreamboat: U.S. dollars? Windows XP? What is turned off? |
| 20:29.25 | stew | LollypopsInAWire: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 20:29.26 | Fluten | positron, everything looks right in the config file |
| 20:29.38 | LollypopsInAWire | stew, just temporarily. I hope my dhcp would be back after another dist-upgrade! :) |
| 20:29.38 | TCW | seemawn, Zomtec? Spooky? |
| 20:29.42 | LollypopsInAWire | thanks |
| 20:29.51 | blondie | Anyone: you don't exist |
| 20:30.12 | seemawn | sry I had some probs with my internet connection was asynchron twice in 5 mins |
| 20:30.20 | stew | LollypopsInAWire: check the bts for dhcp-client and see if there was a recent bug, if not, i doubt that a dist-upgrade would fix it |
| 20:30.31 | LollypopsInAWire | stem, routa add default 192.168.1.1 returned this: SIOCADDRT: No such device |
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| 20:30.49 | dreamboat | xp machine was the primary controller of the modem, I was plugged into the network card on that, but I can connect through konqueror both ways, but not with anything else |
| 20:30.57 | stew | LollypopsInAWire: that should return "routa: command not found" |
| 20:31.02 | TCW | LollypopsInAWire, does ifconfig (without -a) show the device you try to riute over? |
| 20:31.05 | Fluten | maybe xfree didnt fully install. what should i type in to apt-get install to make sure? |
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| 20:31.15 | pipline | Fluten: x-window-system |
| 20:31.16 | dreamboat | so i can now run with xp machine turned off |
| 20:31.20 | LollypopsInAWire | i have used route... |
| 20:31.20 | stew | LollypopsInAWire: reread what I told you to type |
| 20:31.22 | Anyone | blondie, I happen to disagree. |
| 20:31.59 | ChrisH | dreamboat: I'm not sure I understand. You have an ADSL modem and your Debian computer is plugged into it. What does that have to do with XP? (puzzled) |
| 20:32.04 | thc | dreamboat: if you plan on having Debian up all the time, maybe you should be routing packets from Debian to Windows. |
| 20:32.23 | dreamboat | I figure that there is a setting somewhere, accessed by both mozilla, and the main system, which is not right, but somehow, konnnqueror either bypasses, or uses a different setting which works |
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| 20:33.00 | ChrisH | dreamboat: Do you need to speak PPPOE with the modem? Or is it a router? Is there a firewall on the router? Did you ask the network admin? |
| 20:33.06 | LollypopsInAWire | thanks stew! |
| 20:33.07 | LollypopsInAWire | :) |
| 20:33.24 | dreamboat | ChrisH: home system only |
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| 20:34.11 | LollypopsInAWire | man... Another problem! :( apt-get update returns "Bad Header Line" |
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| 20:34.16 | blondie | Anyone: ORLY |
| 20:34.36 | dreamboat | ChrisH: xp was initially setup to make the connection through the adsl to the outside world, now - and i'm not sure how, debian can use that connection without having been given any values to use |
| 20:34.47 | Anyone | !ORLY |
| 20:34.54 | blondie | :> |
| 20:34.55 | dreamboat | ChrisH: and without xp being on |
| 20:35.11 | stew | LollypopsInAWire: what version of debian is this? |
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| 20:35.12 | blondie | dreamboat: DHCP |
| 20:35.13 | dreamboat | ChrisH: well, konqueror can anyhow |
| 20:35.19 | LollypopsInAWire | stew. testing... |
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| 20:35.26 | dreamboat | blondie: yes |
| 20:36.11 | kspath | clue (20050302) Package to ease upgrading, delete me LOL |
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| 20:36.51 | euliric | msg dpkg install debian |
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| 20:37.02 | euliric | sorry |
| 20:37.17 | dreamboat | ChrisH: windows has a firewall, but that will not be running with the xp machine off |
| 20:37.32 | ChrisH | dreamboat: Is the Windoze computer your default gateway somehow? |
| 20:37.33 | Narada | hi; when i do an `apt-cache search mysql` too many results are returned; is there a way to narrow down the search? |
| 20:37.40 | donfilipo | well i can not change fro xorg to xfree86 anyone can help? |
| 20:37.43 | ChrisH | Narada: Use more keywords. |
| 20:37.56 | ChrisH | donfilipo: xfree86 is no longer supported IIRC |
| 20:37.59 | dreamboat | ChrisH: any idea how i can check that? |
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| 20:38.10 | Narada | ah perfect thanks |
| 20:38.12 | Anyone | don_inlab, nope |
| 20:38.13 | ChrisH | dreamboat: Didn't you say you set up your network? :) |
| 20:38.21 | Anyone | donfilipo, nope, sorry dude! |
| 20:38.27 | tts3 | Is Apple releasing Intel Laptops today or what? |
| 20:38.33 | Anyone | don_inlab, sorry, wrong nickcomp. |
| 20:38.35 | blondie | today? |
| 20:38.43 | thc | donfilipo: i told you. you can't downgrade, reinstall sarge and stick with xfree86. |
| 20:38.59 | kspath | euliric: that is actually in the package list |
| 20:39.03 | tts3 | First business day of 2006, no? |
| 20:39.08 | dreamboat | ChrisH: I can run the deb machine into either the xp network card, or directly into the modem with the same results |
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| 20:39.34 | LollypopsInAWire | anyone has ever received "Bad Header Line" after a apt-get update? |
| 20:39.36 | tts3 | or is it tomorrow? |
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| 20:39.57 | thc | LollypopsInAWire: put your sources.list on a pastebin |
| 20:39.57 | dreamboat | ChrisH: so the network is in the process of getting setup... just looking at one thing at a time |
| 20:40.09 | LollypopsInAWire | pastebin? |
| 20:40.12 | ChrisH | dreamboat: If that's really an ADSL modem then once computer in your network should be the default gateway. Two computers cannot use the same ADSL line without a gateweay. |
| 20:40.13 | thc | !paster |
| 20:40.13 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 20:40.30 | donfilipo | ChrisH what do you mean...no longer suportef why? |
| 20:40.31 | dreamboat | ChrisH: and at the moment, geetting apt-get to work is what I am looking at |
| 20:40.34 | ChrisH | dreamboat: Buy a router or configure the debian computer as a gateway and have it use the ADSL line. Enable routing. |
| 20:41.03 | dvs | ChrisH: IP forwarding |
| 20:41.05 | LollypopsInAWire | thc, I can paste you at #flood... |
| 20:41.07 | ChrisH | donfilipo: Political/technical reasons. I didn't follow that discussion closely. But Xorg is basically a bit more "free". :) |
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| 20:41.13 | Narada | hmm to install the mysql server do i need both the server and client packages? |
| 20:41.22 | ChrisH | dvs: *I* know how networks should work. ;) |
| 20:41.28 | cat | Narada: apt-get install mysql-server |
| 20:41.30 | ChrisH | Narada: No, just the server. |
| 20:41.32 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.37 | dvs | ChrisH: Just calling a spade, a spade ;-) |
| 20:41.44 | Narada | what is the client referring to exactly; is it the mysql command? |
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| 20:42.03 | ChrisH | dvs: oooookay :) |
| 20:42.20 | SimonRaven | fuck man, it's amazing how much alternative groups would save if they didn't run windows.... i just saw one that had 'index.cfm' pages on their site... now you gotta *know* that's a fucking IIS server |
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| 20:43.06 | stew | SimonRaven: i unfortunately admin 20 or so sites with coldfusion under debian |
| 20:43.14 | SimonRaven | yup, M$ IIS 5 |
| 20:43.21 | SimonRaven | *shudder* |
| 20:43.24 | euliric | is there another version of debian 3.1 sarge smaller than the one on 14 cds (except those 100mb and 60mb versions)? |
| 20:43.39 | blondie | euliric: you don't need all 14 CDs |
| 20:43.41 | dbron | euliric: do the netinstall |
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| 20:43.50 | blondie | and yes, do the netinstall :) |
| 20:43.52 | donfilipo | ok it's late here and i am messing with this all day...thanks all bye |
| 20:43.54 | blondie | win 46 |
| 20:43.57 | blondie | win 46 |
| 20:44.00 | blondie | gr |
| 20:44.05 | kspath | euliric: I did/do netinstall CD long ago I did netinstall floppies |
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| 20:44.37 | DarKnesS_WolF | direct rendering: No |
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| 20:44.39 | DarKnesS_WolF | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 20:44.39 | DarKnesS_WolF | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.49 | dbron | euliric: yea, many times 2 floppies are enough |
| 20:44.54 | abrotman | DarKnesS_WolF: check your X log and see why it doesn't work |
| 20:44.59 | abrotman | dbron: three now usually |
| 20:45.06 | abrotman | !sarge floppies |
| 20:45.07 | dpkg | sarge floppies is probably http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 20:45.16 | dbron | abrotman: man, how bloated ;-) |
| 20:45.36 | kspath | all the different hardware is the issue |
| 20:46.45 | kspath | if there was a base standard that all hardware followed that was decent all the extra crap could be online instead there are tons of boot device types / drivers |
| 20:46.49 | Eulex | DarKnesS_WolF, what gfx card and what X driver? |
| 20:46.52 | DarKnesS_WolF | abrotman: (II) LoadModule: "dri" |
| 20:46.52 | DarKnesS_WolF | (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a |
| 20:46.52 | DarKnesS_WolF | (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation" |
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| 20:46.55 | Anyone | how do I make a command emit english errormessages instead of native ones? |
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| 20:47.07 | Anyone | LANG=C foo # doesn't seem to work |
| 20:47.09 | DarKnesS_WolF | sorry :-s |
| 20:47.15 | Eulex | Anyone, umh, it should |
| 20:47.21 | Anyone | ok? |
| 20:47.31 | kspath | Anyone: one way is to install english version of debian and stuffs |
| 20:47.32 | DarKnesS_WolF | Eulex: i have ATi all in wonder rage 128pro 32mb and i'm using the default debian driver. |
| 20:47.43 | Anyone | oh .. it does now .. |
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| 20:48.24 | Narada | is it possible to have php5-mysql and php-mysqli installed together? |
| 20:48.26 | Eulex | DarKnesS_WolF, what driver specifically? |
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| 20:49.17 | mohkohn | Hello. Can anybody tell me how to get rid of desktop icons in gnome 2.10 |
| 20:49.19 | mohkohn | ? |
| 20:49.33 | stew | mohkohn: kill nautilus |
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| 20:49.38 | Padnah | I am now willing to try to install Gnome as a GUI. Anyone willing to help me? |
| 20:49.46 | thc | mohkohn: i don't think you can, try asking in #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 20:50.05 | Jinkguns | How do I check on the status of my eth0 network card? I'm absolutely sure I compiled the right drivers in but the internet is not working. :/ |
| 20:50.08 | DarKnesS_WolF | Eulex: how do i know ? |
| 20:50.22 | mohkohn | thanks thc |
| 20:50.29 | dvs | Jinkguns: ifconfig |
| 20:50.39 | Eulex | DarKnesS_WolF, are you running sarge or testing/unstable? |
| 20:50.48 | mtnman | jinkguns: ifconfig. but you also need to config the card after installing the module. |
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| 20:51.02 | DarKnesS_WolF | Eulex: testin |
| 20:51.04 | DarKnesS_WolF | testing |
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| 20:52.07 | Jinkguns | How do I do that, mtnman? Do I need to enable dhcp or will it do it automatically? |
| 20:52.21 | Eulex | DarKnesS_WolF, well, what driver does your /etc/X11/xorg.conf say that you are using? |
| 20:52.22 | thc | Jinkguns: man interfaces |
| 20:52.26 | mtnman | jinkguns: man interfaces |
| 20:52.56 | DarKnesS_WolF | Eulex: Driver "ati" |
| 20:53.30 | Eulex | DarKnesS_WolF, ok. digg in your X log to see why dir wasn't enabled. and no, that the dri modules is loaded correctly is not enough for you to get dri. |
| 20:53.49 | Jinkguns | . /etc/network/interfaces look fine. |
| 20:53.50 | Padnah | I have been having trouble with the resolution of KDE with my monitor. Seems that KDE thinks that I have a laptop instead of a tower. Anyone willing to help me straighten out the resolution problem? |
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| 20:54.14 | Anyone | Padnah, later maybe -- trying to get a tv-card working right now! |
| 20:54.19 | Jinkguns | auto eth0 | iface eth0 inet dhcp <--- does any of this rely on something I might have accidentally excluded during the kernel compilation? |
| 20:54.22 | mtnman | jinkguns: if you say so. but the fact remains that your network is down. |
| 20:54.28 | abrotman | DarKnesS_WolF: EE lines |
| 20:55.26 | Padnah | I want to install Gnome to replace KDE. Do I have to delete the install of KDE first? |
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| 20:55.51 | dvs | Padnah: no |
| 20:55.58 | mtnman | padnah: you can have both installed, but only one will be the default. |
| 20:56.01 | thingfish | !tell Padnah about install gnome |
| 20:56.13 | Jinkguns | Okay. But. |
| 20:56.15 | Jinkguns | auto eth0 | iface eth0 inet dhcp <--- does any of this rely on something I might have accidentally excluded during the kernel compilation? |
| 20:56.30 | SimonRaven | stew: there, i e-mailed them instead of just bitching :) |
| 20:56.41 | Padnah | I am new to Linux as of last night. How do I set the default for the GUI? |
| 20:56.51 | Anyone | Padnah, cool! Welcome! :-) |
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| 20:57.02 | LiGhTeNiN | I get error 21 with grub |
| 20:57.06 | SimonRaven | hopefully my mention of me and what i do and some suggestions will help ;) |
| 20:57.23 | LiGhTeNiN | I tried setting my hdds AUTO under bios then I got error 17 |
| 20:57.34 | stew | SimonRaven: :) |
| 20:57.40 | Narada | how is mysql configured in debian exactly? my phpinfo() says --without-mysql but installing php5-mysql enables it |
| 20:58.25 | SimonRaven | Narada: it's just modular. no biggie |
| 20:58.53 | Narada | hmm i see |
| 20:59.49 | Padnah | I have tried KDE but the resolution of 800x600 is not good and KDE offers me no greater resolutions and I need 1280x1024. I have installed Gnome but whenever I reboot it does not automatically go into the Gnome GUI. What command do I give to make it open up into Gnome? |
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| 21:00.30 | mtnman | padnah: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:00.50 | mtnman | padnah: you can change your resolution with that utility |
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| 21:01.26 | mtnman | padnah: update-alternatives will allow you to change the default session-manager |
| 21:01.37 | kspath | anyone use contest? !anyone |
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| 21:01.58 | mohkohn | Thanks stew and thc. Cristina Scabbia from Lacuna Coil looks much better without a computer icon in her eye! |
| 21:02.04 | thc | haha |
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| 21:02.45 | SimonRaven | oh that reminds me, i was going to edit the header art on my blog |
| 21:02.57 | mohkohn | the answer was in system tools configuration editor and not in Desktop as you would have expected. |
| 21:03.04 | thc | why do they make it so damn complicated to backup contacts and the calendar in evolution |
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| 21:03.20 | thc | mohkohn: i might have known that if i used gnome all the time |
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| 21:03.30 | thc | i only use gnome to put mp3s and video on my psp |
| 21:03.33 | Padnah | I have changed the resolution using that utility but it ignores me. It seems that it only recognizes a LCD for a laptop and my tower has an 18" LCD. I will try the update-alternatives to change the default session-manager. Thanks mohkohn. I will return and let you know how the attempt went. |
| 21:03.41 | mtnman | thc: i would imagine evolution has a mailing list where you could ask that question. |
| 21:03.42 | fooz | why do you need gnome for that? |
| 21:04.07 | thc | fooz: because gnome puts up an icon as soon as you plug in the usb cable |
| 21:04.10 | thc | fluxbox does not. |
| 21:04.12 | mohkohn | But then gnome uses "human interface guidelines" which are intinctive! lol |
| 21:04.13 | L-seifer | hello. on debian unstable, 2.6.14-2 and installed sshfs i am missing /dev/fuse - any tips how to fix that please? |
| 21:04.22 | Padnah | mohkohn, next question, is chatzilla packaged with the gnome gui? If so I can come back to this chat without having to boot into XP |
| 21:04.32 | fooz | thc, linux creates device nodes as soon as you do that.. you don't need a gui |
| 21:04.35 | Anyone | kspath, contest? |
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| 21:04.52 | thc | fooz: have you ever tried to move 2 gigs of mp3s in different folders without a GUI? |
| 21:05.04 | kspath | Anyone: apt-cache search contest apt-cache search dbench |
| 21:05.06 | thc | i'd rather drag and drop. |
| 21:05.10 | fooz | thc, i've done everything without a gui |
| 21:05.12 | fooz | actually |
| 21:05.14 | mohkohn | Padnah, thanks for the credit but it was not me. You should find xchat. or as root apt-get install xchat or bitchx |
| 21:05.30 | thc | fooz: that's fine, but when i'm in a hurry and i want new tunes on my psp, gnome is much easier. |
| 21:05.42 | Eno_ | You don't need gnome to have a graphical file manager |
| 21:05.42 | mohkohn | ttfn. Good night all. |
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| 21:05.55 | Kluster_v2 | thc, still, fluxbox does the job well.. |
| 21:06.12 | Anyone | kspath, will that help me get the tv-card working? |
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| 21:06.40 | thc | </sigh> i never said fluxbox sucked. i said, gnome puts up an icon when you plug in a usb device. fluxbox does not. |
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| 21:07.13 | kspath | Anyone: I am doubting it sorry if anyone high lighted for you notice I typed it lowercase |
| 21:07.18 | Kluster_v2 | thc, hehe I know.. but when I plug a usb device, I don't need my computer to tell me, for I already know (I'm the one who inserted it) |
| 21:07.27 | fooz | hehe |
| 21:07.38 | DarKnesS_WolF | Eulex: didn't work.. and i changed the driver to r128 and also didn't work :-2 very very law frames per sec. |
| 21:07.38 | Anyone | kspath, oh, I respond to anycase ;-) |
| 21:07.58 | fooz | xorg is such a friggin pain :( |
| 21:08.02 | thc | Kluster_v2: you're missing the point, i'd rather plug in my device, have a new folder appear on the desktop, and drag and drop |
| 21:08.02 | kspath | anycase: I mostly do as well again sorry |
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| 21:08.21 | thc | other than that i never use gnome for anything else |
| 21:08.52 | Kluster_v2 | thc, oh ok.. yeah I guess it's annoying to open up konqueror. I mean if your way suits you well, I can't judge you |
| 21:09.02 | Kluster_v2 | as long as it works |
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| 21:09.47 | thc | Kluster_v2: that might work too, if i actually had konqueror installed |
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| 21:10.43 | Kluster_v2 | thc, oops yeah.. maybe the words "file manager" would be more apropriate in this case. I personally use konqueror :) |
| 21:11.24 | kspath | is corewar anything like redcode ? |
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| 21:11.38 | fooz | for all this trouble, the damn r300 driver better work :/ |
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| 21:12.01 | kspath | corewar/redcode ROCKZ the SOCKZ off |
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| 21:12.25 | Eno_ | Kluster_v2: Opening gnome to copy some files does seem excessive. |
| 21:12.34 | jak_ | hi. i want to upgrade openoffice, but i cant figure out how to do that (ive updates my sources, using testing) |
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| 21:12.47 | jak_ | what am i doing wrong? thx! |
| 21:12.53 | thc | excessive? yeah, it takes about ten seconds to start a gnome-session from within fluxbox |
| 21:12.56 | thc | that's excessive? |
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| 21:13.20 | LiGhTeNiN | so, is someone gonna help me get rid of the grub 'error 21' or I just stay under win |
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| 21:14.32 | thc | LiGhTeNiN: ask #grub what that error actually means |
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| 21:14.51 | zinx | LiGhTeNiN: just stay under win |
| 21:14.51 | Kluster_v2 | Eno_, well, I do agree with him, if you have a large collection of pictures or mp3 and you want to copy some (let's say 50) to a removable device (or anywhere), doing it in command line would take forever.. |
| 21:14.53 | PupenoL | Hello. |
| 21:15.03 | Kvant | LiGhTeNiN, error 21=selected disk does not exist |
| 21:15.17 | LiGhTeNiN | actually it does but well.. |
| 21:15.31 | PupenoL | I remember reading a document (possibly an RFC) about choosing good hostnames, does anybody know about it ? I can't find it. |
| 21:15.35 | LiGhTeNiN | hm |
| 21:16.17 | beardy | Kluster_v2: ? |
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| 21:17.40 | LiGhTeNiN | zinx: yeah I might, not that I havent ever used linux, used slack for long time |
| 21:17.42 | Anyone | Kernel 2.6.15 is too new for Debian? |
| 21:17.50 | LiGhTeNiN | Kvant: can you help me with that |
| 21:18.08 | robin_sz | so ... I am still looking for some way of inserting a background image in every page that comes through a printer ... |
| 21:18.19 | zinx | LiGhTeNiN: i -always- recommend whatever works best for what you're doing, reguardless of what it is |
| 21:18.22 | LiGhTeNiN | Kvant: hda=win hdb= ntfs filesys in the beginning, ext 3 linux in the beginning |
| 21:18.28 | beardy | Anyone: No kernel has ever been too new for Debian. (If it's compiled as a stock kernel yet is another matter.) |
| 21:18.51 | LiGhTeNiN | zinx: yeah but I'm getting bored here, all grey and boring |
| 21:19.02 | Anyone | beardy, hehe :) |
| 21:19.18 | zinx | LiGhTeNiN: if you're just concerned about the look, i'm sure there are a lot of themes / window decoration hacks for windows by now |
| 21:19.25 | Anyone | beardy, Well, only rc7 or something is available at kernel.org .. so I thought, maybe there is a backport or something? |
| 21:19.31 | Kvant | LiGhTeNiN, which partition is ext3, and what's stuff in menu.lst? |
| 21:19.39 | robin_sz | sigh, I cant be the fiorst person to want to superimpose an image on a lpr queue |
| 21:19.45 | dvs | Anyone: No, there's kernel-package though |
| 21:20.10 | Anyone | btw |
| 21:20.11 | LiGhTeNiN | Kvant: ext 3 is partition in the end of hdb, root partition |
| 21:20.14 | robin_sz | maybe it will be possible in debian for windows XP? |
| 21:20.16 | Anyone | I cannot find the 2.7.x tree? |
| 21:20.28 | LiGhTeNiN | zinx: themes sux ;) |
| 21:20.31 | Anyone | I remember something about dropping the odd version numbers .. but what came instead? |
| 21:20.44 | stew | Anyone: /msg dpkg kernel of instability |
| 21:20.46 | Kvant | LiGhTeNiN, hdb4? and what are the references in menu.lst? |
| 21:20.52 | Narada | where to set the hostname |
| 21:20.53 | dvs | Anyone: There are no plans for a 2.7 yet |
| 21:20.57 | Anyone | ok |
| 21:21.00 | beardy | !hostname |
| 21:21.01 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist |
| 21:21.09 | stew | Narada: man 1 hostname; man 5 hostname |
| 21:21.31 | LiGhTeNiN | Kvant: no hdb4 and I cant give you the menu.1st as I cant access it myself |
| 21:21.39 | Eno_ | Kluster_v2: Yeah.. possibly, but you don't need gnome for that. Just a graphical file manager. :) |
| 21:21.58 | beardy | dpkg: hostname is also 'man 1 hostname' and 'man 5 hostname' |
| 21:21.58 | dpkg | beardy: okay |
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| 21:21.58 | Anyone | stew, so 2.6.15rc7 is as new as it gets? |
| 21:22.03 | Eulex | DarKnesS_WolF, again, have you checked your X log for errors? |
| 21:22.05 | Narada | stew: i mean is there a file where the hostname and domain name are set or are they set using commands |
| 21:22.07 | stew | Anyone: yes |
| 21:22.09 | dvs | 2.6.15-rc5-git6 |
| 21:22.14 | stew | Narada: both |
| 21:22.16 | dvs | Anyone: 2.6.15-rc5-git6 |
| 21:22.21 | Kvant | LiGhTeNiN, can you access the boot entries from grubs menu? or doesn't it get that far? |
| 21:22.21 | Anyone | dvs, ok |
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| 21:22.31 | dvs | Anyone: but you probably don't want that |
| 21:22.35 | LiGhTeNiN | Kvant: doesnt get that far |
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| 21:22.56 | Kvant | LiGhTeNiN, do you have an install cd? can you boot and start a shell with it? |
| 21:23.08 | LiGhTeNiN | Yes |
| 21:23.17 | Narada | stew: where are the files or is that in the man page as well |
| 21:23.23 | Kvant | and access menu.lst that way? |
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| 21:23.30 | LiGhTeNiN | but I couldnt copy it |
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| 21:23.34 | beardy | Is it only for some people grub doesn't work/is hard to get working when booting windows? I've heard that several times. |
| 21:23.34 | stew | Narada: man 1 hostname is the command , man 5 hostname is the file |
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| 21:23.45 | Narada | stew: ah |
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| 21:23.56 | LiGhTeNiN | Kvant: I dont think I can much examine it myself |
| 21:24.04 | beardy | Or, does it work fine for some people to boot windows xp using grub? |
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| 21:24.12 | Kvant | LiGhTeNiN, do you have a floppy disk? |
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| 21:24.19 | LiGhTeNiN | Kvant: yes |
| 21:24.43 | Kvant | you could copy it to floppy, then? |
| 21:25.00 | Narada | stew: No manual entry for hostname in section 5 |
| 21:25.13 | eguzkia | hello |
| 21:25.34 | kombi | can you install a package for testing on stable? |
| 21:25.34 | stew | Narada: oh, doh, just set the hostname with the hostname command and then "hostname > /etc/hostname" to set it permanantly |
| 21:25.42 | dvs | kombi: sometimes |
| 21:25.47 | Narada | stew: great thanks |
| 21:25.54 | dvs | kombi: backports is better though |
| 21:25.59 | beardy | kombi: /msg dpkg backport |
| 21:26.01 | kombi | dvs: by changing the sources.list? |
| 21:26.05 | stew | !hostname =~ s#and 'man 5 hostname'## |
| 21:26.05 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 21:26.07 | dvs | kombi: NO |
| 21:26.09 | bbrazil | Narada: and then do 'hostname -f /etc/hostname' for it to apply now |
| 21:26.09 | beardy | dvs: Avoid that. |
| 21:26.15 | Narada | stew: same for dnsdomainname? |
| 21:26.16 | dvs | kombi: That upgrades the whole thing |
| 21:26.17 | stew | i could have sworn there was a hostname(5) |
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| 21:26.36 | stew | Narada: man resolv.conf |
| 21:26.36 | kombi | beardy dvs: so how do you ahead-port? |
| 21:26.41 | robin_sz | weird, I never reallised so many people could write so much about setting the hostname ... |
| 21:26.51 | dvs | !tell kombi -about backports |
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| 21:26.55 | beardy | kombi: ? That's called development. |
| 21:27.07 | Narada | bbrazil: -F |
| 21:27.12 | kombi | ok then.. lol.. |
| 21:27.13 | Narada | :) |
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| 21:29.41 | kombi | that sure is a lot of doc, how do you quick and dirty packport something? |
| 21:30.11 | beardy | !simple sid backport |
| 21:30.11 | dpkg | from memory, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 21:30.20 | Narada | how can i add apache2 to a runlevel so that it starts on every boot |
| 21:30.29 | kombi | thanks bot! |
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| 21:30.40 | kombi | thanks beardy! |
| 21:30.49 | stew | Narada: update-rc.d apache defaults |
| 21:30.55 | stew | Narada: err apache2 |
| 21:31.05 | Narada | cool thanks |
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| 21:31.19 | Anyone | Narada, man inittab |
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| 21:31.46 | stew | Anyone: and what would you have him change in inittab? |
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| 21:32.08 | eguzkia | ihello someone usa a d-link 502t to connect to internet? |
| 21:32.18 | debgr | but if I do an apt-cdrom add with a cd containing only sources why this doens't add a deb-src line? |
| 21:32.23 | Anyone | stew, runlevels are assigned in inittab, but I wouldn't want him or her to change it there. Just to learn. |
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| 21:32.37 | beardy | Don't bother with runlevels. |
| 21:32.49 | beardy | Or well.. |
| 21:33.02 | beardy | !update-rc.d |
| 21:33.02 | dpkg | [update-rc.d] used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process |
| 21:33.04 | beardy | !rcconf |
| 21:33.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, rcconf is a frontend to the update-rc.d |
| 21:33.14 | madradrone | eguzkia: people here are more likely to recognize a product not by its model name but by its chipset |
| 21:33.26 | Narada | hmm it seems apache2 was already added even though i didn't add it |
| 21:33.28 | astronut | .m4p is some itunesish thing? |
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| 21:33.40 | beardy | Narada: Use an @reboot cronjob. 'man crontab' to have it start on boot. |
| 21:33.44 | stew | Narada: it would be added by default when you install the package |
| 21:33.45 | asuffield | astronut: almost certainly it's an mpeg-4 program stream |
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| 21:34.00 | Anyone | asuffield, hows the bots? |
| 21:34.01 | astronut | asuffield: with itunes AAC apparently (according to file) |
| 21:34.12 | stew | beardy: what? you think he should start apache2 by a @reboot cronjob? |
| 21:34.20 | Narada | stew: what is the 90 after defaults in that tip above by dpkg |
| 21:34.20 | eguzkia | madradrone: i can't go out to internet, because my router set him IP on /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:34.34 | eguzkia | madradrone: do you know something |
| 21:34.45 | beardy | stew: Since he asked in that way. I don't run it so I don't know what perversions it may require. |
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| 21:34.51 | astronut | any way to see the tags on it from console easily? |
| 21:35.02 | Narada | beardy: cronjob? i'm not sure i follow; isn't it the job of the init scripts and runlevels |
| 21:35.04 | bizkit | Narada: if it doesn't start, but it's in rc2.d, have a look into /etc/default, perhaps there's a file for apache |
| 21:35.08 | eguzkia | madradrone: i don't know if the router rewrite resolv.conf or linux rewrite resolv.conf |
| 21:35.11 | DarKnesS_WolF | hum i gave up with this dri thing . and i find that i don't have /dev/dri |
| 21:35.16 | beardy | Narada: Nevermind, just install it. |
| 21:35.22 | stew | Narada: ls /etc/rc2.d ; all the S links are executed in order so there 90 is just specifying where in the order it would be |
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| 21:35.30 | eguzkia | someone can help to configure a router? |
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| 21:35.44 | eguzkia | the router write on my resolv.conf |
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| 21:35.50 | eguzkia | and change my dns |
| 21:35.55 | eguzkia | with him ip address |
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| 21:36.22 | Narada | S91apache2 |
| 21:36.33 | Laserman | I am a newbie... reccomendation for a distro to start with? |
| 21:36.36 | streuner | DHCP client usually overwrite /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 21:36.45 | Narada | Laserman: debian? :) |
| 21:36.45 | beardy | Laserman: In which channel are you? |
| 21:36.56 | madradrone | eguzkia: if you are using dhcp then the dhcp client, when it obtains the lease from the router, will update resolv.conf |
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| 21:36.59 | Laserman | Yes debian based or even debian |
| 21:37.05 | stew | Laetisss: ubuntu is a good distribution for beginners |
| 21:37.18 | kombi | I don't get the bit dpkg-source -x package.dsc in the backport howto, is that a file that should exist somewhere? |
| 21:37.24 | Laetisss | :S |
| 21:37.32 | Narada | i hate derivatives; i prefer to go for originals |
| 21:37.40 | Laserman | mepis? |
| 21:37.43 | ambrose | Laserman, a friend of mine (formerly not a Linux user) installed Debian in the last couple of weeks and has had no trouble |
| 21:37.45 | FliesLikeABrick | what is a good PCI RAID card that will actually perform hardware RAID instead of just acting like a normal hard drive controller? |
| 21:37.45 | mohkohn | Hello again. I have to run alsaconf every time I boot the computer. How do I get it to stay? |
| 21:37.58 | madradrone | eguzkia: man dhclient.conf |
| 21:38.04 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: sata or scsi or pata ? |
| 21:38.07 | beardy | stew: Your advocating ubuntu? |
| 21:38.11 | kombi | mokkohn: run alsaconf as root maybe? |
| 21:38.12 | beardy | You're |
| 21:38.13 | Laserman | If I install Debian, will it boot to kde? |
| 21:38.14 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, pata |
| 21:38.19 | thc | mohkohn: that can happen if you have an orphaned oss module floating around |
| 21:38.20 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: that i have no idea :) |
| 21:38.26 | stew | beardy: i was a few seconds ago |
| 21:38.29 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, sorry, i've got my head up my ass |
| 21:38.31 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: at least for SCSI/SATA i'd know where to point you |
| 21:38.35 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, i was thinking of another comp, this one is scsi |
| 21:38.36 | mohkohn | thc?? |
| 21:38.38 | kspath | FliesLikeABrick: do you work for NASA? |
| 21:38.42 | kombi | can someone explain to me a *.dsc file? |
| 21:38.50 | stew | kombi: /msg dpkg dsc |
| 21:38.52 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: adaptec for starters .. |
| 21:38.53 | dvs | ahahahahahah |
| 21:38.54 | cat | kombi: file *.dsc |
| 21:38.55 | FliesLikeABrick | so yeah abrotman scsi |
| 21:38.56 | streuner | kombi: /msg dpkg dsc |
| 21:38.58 | dvs | !kspath |
| 21:38.58 | kombi | does that come with the source? |
| 21:39.01 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: maybe 3ware |
| 21:39.03 | dvs | !beer kspath |
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| 21:39.08 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: IBM makes them also .. as does HP |
| 21:39.18 | mohkohn | Thats not in my Debian Linux 3.1 bible! |
| 21:39.23 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah, but how will i know whether it will do hardware RAID or whether it will just shot up like a hard drive controller like pata ones do? |
| 21:39.25 | abrotman | mohkohn: bibles like |
| 21:39.27 | abrotman | err lie |
| 21:39.30 | thc | mohkohn: you might have an oss module conflicting with your alsa modules at bootup |
| 21:39.33 | koudelka_ | can i get some help setting up php? installed it and it worked fine, now after reboot it doesnt |
| 21:40.03 | stew | mohkohn: what driver are you loading? |
| 21:40.05 | robin_sz | FliesLikeABrick: if it working correctly it will just look like another hard drive controller ... |
| 21:40.11 | kombi | in the case of alsa-base, what is the dsc file called (because I can't seem to find it..)? |
| 21:40.19 | beardy | koudelka_: You need to be more specific than "not working". |
| 21:40.26 | mohkohn | snd_intel8x0 |
| 21:40.36 | robin_sz | FliesLikeABrick: thats that they are supposed to do .. look like a hard drive controller .. |
| 21:40.41 | FliesLikeABrick | robin_, no, i'm talking about the ones where you tell the PCI bios to setup an array, but linux sees the 2 drives as separate drives anyway... i don't want it to happen like that |
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| 21:40.57 | abrotman | Adaptec SCSI Card 29160LP - 1-channel, 64-bit (32-bit compatible), supports up to 15 devices, ideal for thin rackmount servers |
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| 21:41.03 | madradrone | !tell koudelka_ about doesn't work |
| 21:41.07 | koudelka_ | beardy, uhm, cant run php files on server side |
| 21:41.10 | abrotman | ok .. now .. that's great .. ideal for 15 devices .. in a THIN rackmount :) |
| 21:41.17 | abrotman | koudelka_: yes you can |
| 21:41.20 | beardy | koudelka_: What happens when you try? |
| 21:41.21 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah abrotman which is nice because this is a 1U rackmount |
| 21:41.22 | stew | mohkohn: is i810_audio loaded? does either i810_audio or snd_intel8x0 appear in /etc/modules? |
| 21:41.22 | robin_sz | FliesLikeABrick: right, it should just look like one drive ... not two. but then you probably havent set it up right in the bios |
| 21:41.25 | kombi | where does a debian source package get stored in fs? |
| 21:41.30 | tarzeau | kombi: ./ |
| 21:41.37 | kombi | usr/share? |
| 21:41.38 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:41.38 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:41.40 | tarzeau | kombi: no |
| 21:41.42 | FliesLikeABrick | no robin_ i had set it up right, i was using the card under windows fine, but linux has a thing with certain types of raid controllers |
| 21:41.43 | koudelka_ | when i try to show them in the browser it tries to dl the file |
| 21:42.02 | tarzeau | kombi: you mean apt-get source pkg? |
| 21:42.07 | kombi | tarzeau: yep |
| 21:42.10 | madradrone | koudelka_: that is an apache configuration issue |
| 21:42.11 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, are you familiar with the problem that i am trying to avoid? |
| 21:42.12 | tarzeau | kombi: to ./ |
| 21:42.20 | kombi | root you mean? |
| 21:42.20 | stew | kombi: alsa-base is in the alsa-driver source package, so the .dsc would be alsa-driver*.dsc |
| 21:42.24 | tarzeau | kombi: no i mean . |
| 21:42.28 | koudelka_ | madradrone, ok |
| 21:42.34 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: no :) |
| 21:42.35 | kombi | stew: thanks! |
| 21:42.36 | stew | kombi: the pwd when you executed apt-get source |
| 21:42.37 | tarzeau | kombi: . is where you are it can be anywhere |
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| 21:42.48 | tarzeau | kombi: like /home/under/the/drawbridge |
| 21:42.59 | kombi | stew tarzeau: I finally got it... |
| 21:43.02 | kombi | lol.. |
| 21:43.02 | koudelka_ | madradrone, how do i config it correctly? thougt apt did that for me? |
| 21:43.10 | mohkohn | /etc/modules....ide-cd |
| 21:43.10 | mohkohn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.10 | mohkohn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.10 | mohkohn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:43.33 | madradrone | koudelka_: try #apache |
| 21:43.38 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, with a lot of pata controllers, even if you set up a raid array in the controller, it will show up in linux as separate drives |
| 21:43.41 | robin_sz | FliesLikeABrick: well, ive not had that problem .. ive used various HP boxes, dell PERC raid, Adaptec ... its not been a problem and it has had NOTHING to do with windows or linux .. because it has looked like a single drive to the system, long before even grub or linux has booted |
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| 21:43.47 | koudelka_ | madradrone, ok |
| 21:43.47 | kombi | some stuff to be removed out of /etc now... |
| 21:43.50 | mohkohn | apoligies |
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| 21:43.53 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: that's because they aren't true hardware raid controllers |
| 21:44.05 | robin_sz | abrotman: right |
| 21:44.09 | mohkohn | No not in /etc/modules |
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| 21:44.19 | mohkohn | Should I add it? |
| 21:44.19 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: and i don't know enough about PATA raid to even suggest where to look |
| 21:44.21 | FliesLikeABrick | mind explaining how not-true hardware raid cards work? |
| 21:44.29 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: they require software drivers |
| 21:44.32 | stew | mohkohn: put snd_intel8x0 into /etc/modules |
| 21:44.34 | IsaacHaze | what might be the reason to have a package in stable, oldstable and unstable, but not in testing? |
| 21:44.37 | kombi | and what is a generally agreed place to put debian sources? |
| 21:44.39 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 21:44.39 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 21:44.45 | FliesLikeABrick | ah ok abrotman thank you for clearing that up. I'll save some cash and get that SCSI card from adaptec |
| 21:44.50 | mohkohn | thanks stew. I will try anything once! |
| 21:44.57 | stew | FliesLikeABrick: they are just ide controllers, all the raid is actually done in software by the driver |
| 21:44.59 | robin_sz | FliesLikeABrick: a real raid controller will look like a single drive on DOS, linux, OSX, CP/M whatever ... |
| 21:45.02 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah stew i gotcha |
| 21:45.05 | FliesLikeABrick | now i have one other question |
| 21:45.05 | abrotman | !fakeraid |
| 21:45.08 | abrotman | grr |
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| 21:45.10 | beardy | IsaacHaze: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 21:45.21 | mohkohn | rebooting to see if the sound stays. |
| 21:45.24 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: i wasn't advocating THAT ONE .. find one that fits oyur needs |
| 21:45.29 | robin_sz | ive found the Linux sw raid to work fine too |
| 21:45.33 | FliesLikeABrick | if i have a normal adaptec SCSI controller with 2 drives on the same cable, and i use software RAID on them for a mirror, will i see a performance drop |
| 21:45.34 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: that one was probably around $1,000 :) |
| 21:45.42 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah abrotman $250 |
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| 21:45.58 | abrotman | no way |
| 21:46.09 | SqueegeeMan | way |
| 21:46.09 | abrotman | holy crap .. |
| 21:46.10 | FliesLikeABrick | no way to which comment, the question or the price? |
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| 21:46.21 | kspath | my first real PC was a PentiumPro with 256MB RAM and adapter scsi UW seagate UW HD and plextor SCSI CD I miss it |
| 21:46.21 | robin_sz | no way |
| 21:46.29 | abrotman | wtf did SCSI controllers get so damn cheap ? |
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| 21:46.43 | FliesLikeABrick | http://www.dealtime.com/xPO-Adaptec_Adaptec_2_Port_68_pin_SCSI_PCI |
| 21:46.47 | robin_sz | becuase the drives are so fscking expensive? |
| 21:46.54 | fooz | they've been cheap |
| 21:46.57 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: that is NOT what you want |
| 21:46.57 | fooz | which one you looking at? |
| 21:47.00 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: check this page http://adaptec.com/worldwide/product/prodtechindex.html?cat=/Technology/RAID+Controllers&source=menu |
| 21:47.04 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: those are more what you want |
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| 21:47.16 | asuffield | abrotman: when they started making shitty ones |
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| 21:47.29 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah abrotman that 29160LP was just a controller |
| 21:47.35 | asuffield | abrotman: unfortunately adaptec are no longer the great company they once were. they now make mostly 'low-end' scsi controllers |
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| 21:47.42 | asuffield | abrotman: which are slow |
| 21:47.47 | fooz | who makes good ones now? |
| 21:47.54 | initech | qlogic |
| 21:47.55 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, can you answer my performance question that i posed above? |
| 21:47.59 | abrotman | asuffield: yes .. the problem is. . who else still makes SCSI RAID controllers .. Adaptec,IBM,HP ? |
| 21:48.00 | asuffield | fooz: alas there isn't a single good answer any more |
| 21:48.01 | Jinkguns | How do I stop debian from trying to load stupid modules that don't exist or are compiled into my new kernel? |
| 21:48.09 | abrotman | initech: doesn't ibm own qlogic ? |
| 21:48.18 | mushrooomprince | question #debian, I want to obtain a debian install image that has a graphical installer. is this where I can obtain one ? : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 21:48.18 | initech | abrotman: ? no idea |
| 21:48.34 | streuner | Jinkguns: apt-get remove hotplug |
| 21:48.35 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: yes .. you will .. not much .. but could be noticable depending on the speed of the machine |
| 21:48.39 | robin_sz | if it hasnt got a slab of ram and a battery , its no good as a raid controller |
| 21:48.39 | asuffield | abrotman: good question. the problem stems from the fact that all the high-end storage solutions are SAN these days, not SCSI |
| 21:48.39 | ke6isf | mushrooomprince: Any reason you want a graphical installer? |
| 21:49.00 | abrotman | ncurses is a GUI! :) |
| 21:49.01 | mushrooomprince | ke6isf, yeah I am curious about it and want to see how it works. |
| 21:49.03 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, but in terms of them sharing the same bus, that won't be an issue? |
| 21:49.12 | fooz | looks like my xserver will actually build.. yay |
| 21:49.18 | FliesLikeABrick | i know that software raid will be CPU dependant, thats not what i'm worried about abrotman |
| 21:49.27 | ke6isf | mushrooomprince: Just stick with the ncurses installer. It's just as easy, but you use the keyboard instead of a mouse. |
| 21:49.33 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: if you only have two drives .. you should be fine |
| 21:49.38 | FliesLikeABrick | k thanks abrotman |
| 21:49.50 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: what is the problem you're actually trying to solve ? |
| 21:49.51 | fooz | FliesLikeABrick, put the drives on separate channels of the card, if you only have two |
| 21:50.02 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, i'm deciding on the best choice for this |
| 21:50.17 | mushrooomprince | ke6isf, ok. I have never heard of ncurses I do not think. If i have seen it before I must have forgotten that it was ncurses. Could you please point me in the direction of a stable debian install image with ncurses ? |
| 21:50.22 | FliesLikeABrick | fooz, i'd rather not do that because more cables in this 1U will restrict the airflow a significant amount, and i really can't do that with the hardware i have in there |
| 21:50.23 | stew | mushrooomprince: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerGUI |
| 21:50.29 | abrotman | fooz: it really won't make that much of a difference |
| 21:50.31 | fooz | k |
| 21:50.31 | asuffield | FliesLikeABrick: scsi is designed to haul 15/31 disks on a single controller. that's what it's for. if your motherboard can take the load then a good scsi controller will too |
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| 21:50.38 | grendal_prime | i got a wireless card pcmcia..when i fire the thing up in one laptop..it shutsdown all the other wirless cards...does that make any sence? |
| 21:50.39 | Jinkguns | streuner, if I remove it, then reinstall hotplug, will it automatically check for new modules or is it working off a default list? |
| 21:50.39 | ke6isf | mushrooomprince: Yeah, the sarge netinstall CD. |
| 21:50.42 | FliesLikeABrick | thanks guys |
| 21:50.43 | asuffield | which is where we get back to the problem about adaptec not making good scsi controllers any more |
| 21:50.49 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: are you going to answer my question ? |
| 21:50.51 | beardy | mushrooomprince: And since you can use both hands at the keyboard, it will be twice as fast. Or actually about ten times faster, since you can press ten things almost at the same time. |
| 21:50.52 | asuffield | their new cheap ones can't take full load |
| 21:50.58 | asuffield | (the host controller is not fast enough) |
| 21:51.02 | fooz | haha |
| 21:51.04 | kspath | mushrooomprince: apt-cache search ncurses |
| 21:51.04 | abrotman | asuffield: and how many actually run at full load :) |
| 21:51.09 | kspath | mushrooomprince: apt-cache search ncurses |
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| 21:51.15 | asuffield | abrotman: dunno, when did you last build a box with 31 disks? |
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| 21:51.23 | fooz | well, two drives is only about 100MB/s |
| 21:51.23 | FliesLikeABrick | i kinda did already abrotman , i'm not looking to solve a problem, i'm just looking for the best storage solution for the server i'm about to colocate |
| 21:51.23 | ke6isf | beardy: Even faster than that, because you're not tying the CPU down with graphics. |
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| 21:51.31 | abrotman | asuffield: most i have in any here is .. 8 i think |
| 21:51.38 | stew | mushrooomprince: i don't think a graphical installer exists for sarge |
| 21:51.46 | streuner | Jinkguns: hotplug is a bunch of scripts which try to detect your hardware and load every module needed, AFAIK |
| 21:51.47 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: you could go with a SATA solution also |
| 21:51.49 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, i've got 2x37gb drives in there, (10k), partitioned up, and i want to mirror a couple critical partitions across the two |
| 21:52.01 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: so you want a hardware RAID1 solution ? |
| 21:52.28 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, i want hardware RAID if i can because then i can mirror my entire / filesystem effortlessly |
| 21:52.36 | robin_sz | SATA is so close to SCSI performance these days |
| 21:52.44 | asuffield | robin_sz: it's not really |
| 21:52.46 | beardy | mushrooomprince: Do you have a good reason for wanting one? |
| 21:52.46 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: uhm .. i think you misunderstand what's going on |
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| 21:53.00 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, can i boot off of a software raid? i am under the impression that i can't |
| 21:53.00 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: if you put two drives in a RAID1 config .. they will mirror IDENTICALLY |
| 21:53.06 | asuffield | abrotman: the problem, of course, is how many you can load it up with before you start seeing a performance loss |
| 21:53.07 | ke6isf | mushrooomprince: Do not private message me. |
| 21:53.08 | Daveman | abrotman, still workin' ? |
| 21:53.09 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, i know, i've been using RAID for a couple years |
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| 21:53.24 | robin_sz | FliesLikeABrick: I use software raid to mirror my entire / filesystem ... |
| 21:53.25 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: so if you only have TWO drives .. you mirror EVERYTHING |
| 21:53.28 | Jinkguns | So, if i have everything I need compiled into my kernel then I don't need hotplug. :/ |
| 21:53.29 | asuffield | abrotman: and with these underpowered controllers.... it's hard to predict |
| 21:53.38 | SlayerXP | FliesLikeABrick: so the data being trashed on one disk will trash the other disk too |
| 21:53.38 | ke6isf | mushrooomprince: Ask your questions in channel for all to hear. |
| 21:53.39 | Jinkguns | But what if I just want to edit the list of modules it tries to load? |
| 21:53.45 | FliesLikeABrick | i'm aware SlayerXP |
| 21:53.49 | abrotman | asuffield: hey .. it's an old machine .. with a PERC controller .. bonus points if you can guess the CPU :) |
| 21:53.53 | asuffield | SlayerXP: 'raid is not a substitute for backups' |
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| 21:54.00 | FliesLikeABrick | SlayerXP, i'm worried about hardware failure |
| 21:54.04 | FliesLikeABrick | not backups |
| 21:54.11 | pipeline | Jinkguns: that's what /etc/modules and /etc/hotplug.d/blacklist are for |
| 21:54.18 | Daveman | PERC! |
| 21:54.20 | SlayerXP | asuffield: I've been caught saying that on occasion |
| 21:54.23 | abrotman | Daveman: yes .. still at work |
| 21:54.25 | ke6isf | FliesLikeABrick: If you're worried about hardware failure, then you need to worry about backups. |
| 21:54.25 | pipeline | Daveman: You have a PERC? |
| 21:54.31 | Jinkguns | Okay. |
| 21:54.36 | Daveman | possibly |
| 21:54.38 | abrotman | asuffield: Dual PPro 200Mhz .. makes a dandy low traffic webserver :) |
| 21:54.40 | pipeline | ke6isf: RAID is cheaper and easier to pull off than doing backups right. |
| 21:54.42 | Jinkguns | Now how do I get dmesg to tell me what modules fail to load on startup. ;/ |
| 21:54.48 | abrotman | sadly .. the amount of data is a pain .. but oh well |
| 21:54.49 | FliesLikeABrick | ke6isf, not if my main concern is losing a hard drive, since the data is what is important to me |
| 21:54.51 | astronut | apt's removing base-config...is that due to d-i's decreased depenency? |
| 21:54.52 | Daveman | abrotman: rofl |
| 21:55.01 | ke6isf | pipeline: Not doing backups means nothing if your RAID fails. |
| 21:55.12 | tarzeau | !MOSH |
| 21:55.13 | Daveman | personally, I'm a bit more in favor of risc but meh :p |
| 21:55.16 | abrotman | it's a great machine .. and no rason to go any faster |
| 21:55.17 | Daveman | heh |
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| 21:55.20 | tarzeau | dpkg mosh is also http://www.mrdudeman.com/media_pages/mosh_girl_rules.php |
| 21:55.21 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 21:55.22 | ke6isf | FliesLikeABrick: You do backups. Trust me. I've seen RAIDs die. |
| 21:55.23 | pipeline | ke6isf: Indeed, backups are still necessary, but RAID will save your ass from a huge number of problems. |
| 21:55.23 | abrotman | Daveman: i have a few alphas doing work here too :) |
| 21:55.24 | SlayerXP | FliesLikeABrick: backups prevent data loss, RAID prevents certain hardware problems taking out a server. |
| 21:55.28 | Daveman | no rasin, eh? |
| 21:55.32 | ke6isf | pipeline: True, they will indeed. |
| 21:55.33 | abrotman | reason! |
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| 21:55.35 | FliesLikeABrick | yes SlayerXP i'm aware |
| 21:55.35 | Daveman | abrotman, i have several! |
| 21:55.44 | Daveman | abrotman :) |
| 21:55.47 | pipeline | SlayerXP: RAID prevents you from having to restore from backups |
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| 21:55.51 | FliesLikeABrick | robin_sz, how hard is it to configure to boot from a software mirror? |
| 21:55.54 | pipeline | dump/restore is slooooooow |
| 21:55.55 | abrotman | Daveman: Alphastation 200 4/233 |
| 21:55.56 | SlayerXP | pipeline: please stop trolling. |
| 21:55.57 | streuner | Jinkguns: usually your kernel detects the hardware and loads the modules if needed |
| 21:55.58 | ke6isf | FliesLikeABrick: If you ignore the need for backups, you deserve to lose. |
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| 21:56.02 | Daveman | abrotman: cool |
| 21:56.08 | Daveman | they're good :) |
| 21:56.16 | abrotman | Daveman: they make great DNS and routers |
| 21:56.20 | SlayerXP | pipeline: raid does not get you your data back when someone type "rm -rf" in the wrong place. |
| 21:56.21 | Daveman | yes! |
| 21:56.28 | Jinkguns | Ah, okay. |
| 21:56.29 | Daveman | abrotman, meh they can do better than that, but yeah :) |
| 21:56.31 | streuner | Jinkguns: if something doesn't work its a missing module |
| 21:56.32 | Jinkguns | so hotplug dies. |
| 21:56.33 | Daveman | if you have nothing "worse" :P |
| 21:56.33 | Jinkguns | :) |
| 21:56.40 | klingon | Hello I currently run fedora core 4, And was thinking about switching to debian. Would like to know if there is a steep learning curve? |
| 21:56.43 | FliesLikeABrick | ke6isf, but if i am just colocating one server now, it is very hard for me to backup large filesystems to any media... |
| 21:56.45 | AlejandroG | I,I, i don't speak much Englesh but i need one aplication for Linux, this aplication is for reapir (fix) a .zip files |
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| 21:56.50 | streuner | Jinkguns: you can always put that into /etc/modules |
| 21:56.58 | AlejandroG | Have any idea? |
| 21:56.59 | abrotman | Daveman: i'm not sure what else i'd do with them here .. maybe a frontend mail filter .. dunno |
| 21:57.01 | tarzeau | klingon: depends on you |
| 21:57.06 | zinx | Ale: "zip" |
| 21:57.11 | abrotman | AlejandroG: what do you speak ? |
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| 21:57.20 | stew | klingon: it shouldn't be a steep learning curve. read the apt-howto |
| 21:57.20 | tarzeau | klingon: if you ask every time "but why is this different", you'll have a very nightmarish time |
| 21:57.21 | AlejandroG | abrotman, Spanish |
| 21:57.24 | Daveman | abrotman, eww... but yeah... if you have nothing else to dedicate :\ |
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| 21:57.32 | streuner | Jinkguns: if you have enough RAM just let it installed - it doesn't hurd (TM) ;-) |
| 21:57.32 | beardy | klingon: Not really, some things differs from other distros, IMO all to the better. It also mostly depends on you and what you intend to do. |
| 21:57.34 | AlejandroG | zinx, Yo reapir? |
| 21:57.36 | Jinkguns | Why the hell does it remove gnome is if I try to remove hotplug. :/ |
| 21:57.37 | SlayerXP | how can I search the !qotd bot entires? I have one in their about raid and backups |
| 21:57.38 | zinx | AlejandroG: yes |
| 21:57.52 | AlejandroG | zinx, wao i go to try. |
| 21:57.52 | zinx | AlejandroG: -F |
| 21:57.52 | klingon | beardy I will be runnign deb on a laptop, is that a good idea |
| 21:57.54 | Jinkguns | streuner, I am OBSESSIVE about having a clean bootup dmesg. :) |
| 21:58.05 | SlayerXP | !qotd /Slayer/ |
| 21:58.08 | Jinkguns | One module fails to load and it bugs me all day. |
| 21:58.08 | FliesLikeABrick | SlayerXP, the role of backups vs/with RAID is obvious.. but backups can't do shit for realtime data copies |
| 21:58.10 | klingon | beardy and it will be for general use, ie a little bit of everything |
| 21:58.10 | Jinkguns | Seriously. |
| 21:58.11 | abrotman | Daveman: just make sure you do popcon on yours! :) |
| 21:58.11 | zinx | AlejandroG: backup your file first |
| 21:58.17 | beardy | klingon: Yes, it is. |
| 21:58.25 | zinx | AlejandroG: it usually does a bad job :) |
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| 21:58.28 | Daveman | abrotman: ;) |
| 21:58.32 | streuner | Jinkguns: look at depends of hotplug - /msg dpkg depends hotplug |
| 21:58.35 | abrotman | Jinkguns: it's a metapackage |
| 21:58.39 | Jinkguns | :/ |
| 21:58.44 | joseph | Hello. I just installed Debian 'etch' for the 1st time. When I login to the gnome desktop, I get this error: "No volume control elements and/or devices found". Would anyone please help me solve this issue? Thanks. |
| 21:58.55 | AlejandroG | zinx, :-( zip error: Missing or empty zip file (Documental.zip) |
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| 21:59.08 | AlejandroG | Is a documental that have 3.9 GB |
| 21:59.14 | streuner | Jinkguns: show us the command what you using (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 21:59.16 | SlayerXP | FliesLikeABrick: bet? at one place we ferried data round on a machine with a huge number of the biggest disks available at the time. an overnight courier was faster than moving the data via network. |
| 21:59.28 | Jinkguns | I'm using Synpatic Package manager. |
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| 21:59.36 | Jinkguns | to try and remove hotplug. |
| 21:59.39 | streuner | Jinkguns: use apt-get |
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| 21:59.51 | nanok | Jinkguns: for i in `ls /etc/rc2.d` ; do sed -e 's/$/2</dev/null; done |
| 21:59.51 | pawdro | how to install kernel from repos? |
| 21:59.54 | nanok | Jinkguns: :P |
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| 22:00.00 | pawdro | apt-get what? |
| 22:00.01 | beardy | klingon: Use the netinstaller if you have a better than dialup connection. |
| 22:00.02 | FliesLikeABrick | SlayerXP, i'm a college student colocatin a dual-proc, dual-hard drive server... i don't have money nor means to put into place a large backup system in any way that would be effective |
| 22:00.15 | beardy | !d-i klingon |
| 22:00.15 | dpkg | klingon, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:00.23 | FliesLikeABrick | and SlayerXP why said anything about moving data via networks? |
| 22:00.30 | streuner | pawdro: apt-get remove hotplug |
| 22:00.31 | abrotman | SlayerXP: sneakernet! |
| 22:00.37 | nanok | Jinkguns: well, i missed a $i there, you get the point :) |
| 22:00.47 | stew | Jinkguns: gnome depends on gnome-volume-manager which depends on udev which depends on hotplug |
| 22:00.50 | SlayerXP | FliesLikeABrick: I guessed you had no real world experience long before you said so :) |
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| 22:01.01 | beardy | !tell klingon about ig |
| 22:01.09 | streuner | stew: but hotplug doesn't depends on udev |
| 22:01.19 | mikejn1 | I am looking for a p2p app.. gtk-gnutella has quit for some reason and even after removing and reinstalling I cannot get it to work.. Any ideas? |
| 22:01.22 | stew | streuner: the other way around |
| 22:01.31 | FliesLikeABrick | SlayerXP, quite the truth |
| 22:01.33 | Jinkguns | hotplug, udev, hal can all go. All I want is to keep gnome. :/ |
| 22:01.35 | streuner | yes, and he want to remove hotplug |
| 22:01.36 | beardy | klingon: '/msg dpkg grounding' contains good information |
| 22:01.48 | FliesLikeABrick | SlayerXP, just curious, what is your experience in the matter?/ |
| 22:01.48 | stew | Jinkguns: if you remove hotplug you will lose the functionality of gnome-volume-manager and thats about it, gnome and gnome-desktop are just meta-pacakges they don't provide any real functionality other than to bring in other packages |
| 22:02.19 | FliesLikeABrick | Jinkguns, the short answer is that you will not lose gnome |
| 22:02.21 | Jinkguns | so if gnome goes I don't actually lose the gnome gui. just the meta package? |
| 22:02.28 | stew | Jinkguns: yes |
| 22:02.36 | Jinkguns | sweet, done. |
| 22:03.04 | SlayerXP | FliesLikeABrick: as I said, RAID should never be used in place of a backup system. |
| 22:03.14 | abrotman | Jinkguns: gnome is a metapackage .. for ease of installation |
| 22:03.23 | abrotman | SlayerXP: but .. RAID0 is the best! |
| 22:03.28 | SlayerXP | any time you think "I don't want to lose data" then RAID shouldn't be the first thing on your mind |
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| 22:03.48 | stew | did we not beat this dead horse enough yet? |
| 22:03.58 | FliesLikeABrick | SlayerXP, it wasn't, but i don't have the means right now to provide an all-inclusive backup system (as i've said at least three times) |
| 22:03.59 | abrotman | stew: wait .. there's still a pony in the corral |
| 22:04.12 | SlayerXP | stew: from the number of idiotic statements about raid in the past 10 minutes, I'd say not. |
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| 22:04.33 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: you just want a backup of your data ? |
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| 22:04.49 | SlayerXP | FliesLikeABrick: fine. but stop talking about "critical data". if you don't want to back it up then it can't be all that critical. |
| 22:04.59 | Jinkguns | how do I find out what groups my user is a member of? |
| 22:05.04 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: one option would be to rsync the stuff you want to the second drive nightly |
| 22:05.05 | stew | Jinkguns: "groups' |
| 22:05.06 | tarzeau | Jinkguns: id user |
| 22:05.06 | kspath | cpio afio dd amanda bacula |
| 22:05.07 | abrotman | Jinkguns: groups |
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| 22:05.33 | Jinkguns | wooohooo look at that BEAUTIFUL kernel startup dmesg. |
| 22:05.35 | Jinkguns | :) |
| 22:05.37 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: let's put it this way .. if your system makes a mistake writing to one drive. . it makes it to both .. |
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| 22:05.56 | abrotman | (though i guess rsync doesn't save you from that either) |
| 22:06.11 | Jinkguns | If I have a fully compiled kernel (running) linked to /usr/src/linux can I safely remove my kernel-headers/ |
| 22:06.12 | Jinkguns | ? |
| 22:06.15 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, i know that... i'm talking about a hard drive physically breaking/dying/crashing/whatever word you want to put in for it |
| 22:06.22 | FliesLikeABrick | i am FULLY aware of the value of backups |
| 22:06.24 | SlayerXP | FliesLikeABrick: no, go have fun running a mysql server on reiserfs on top of software raid1 |
| 22:06.28 | SimonRaven | nice, a newbie who appreciates verbose startup messages |
| 22:06.35 | SimonRaven | SlayerXP: hehe |
| 22:06.36 | SlayerXP | s/no/now/ |
| 22:06.41 | beardy | SimonRaven: where? |
| 22:06.59 | FliesLikeABrick | SlayerXP, the funny thing is that i do that on a server i have downstairs right now |
| 22:07.04 | mikejn1 | what is a good peer to peer program besides gnutella? (mine crashed and can't get it working) |
| 22:07.06 | abrotman | SlayerXP: you forgot the lack of an UPS :) |
| 22:07.10 | SlayerXP | SimonRaven: you know, there will be people here who read that and think "but I _do_ that!" |
| 22:07.12 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, i have a UPS too |
| 22:07.16 | abrotman | mikejn1: gtk-gnutella |
| 22:07.21 | SlayerXP | SimonRaven: I rest my case. |
| 22:07.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: gnut .. package gnut again! |
| 22:07.40 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, SlayerXP http://ww2.u13.net/serversbig.jpg <-- that big one downstairs runs mysql on LVM/reiserfs on a software RAID1 |
| 22:07.41 | abrotman | SlayerXP: maybe you meant RAID0 ? |
| 22:07.52 | SimonRaven | SlayerXP: yeh |
| 22:07.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: and you try opencubicplayer ? |
| 22:07.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: guitar shop ? |
| 22:08.04 | SimonRaven | beardy: Jinkguns |
| 22:08.04 | mikejn1 | abrotman, I have it.. but for some reason it stopped working.. Even after removing and reinstalling |
| 22:08.08 | beardy | !beer Jinkguns |
| 22:08.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: gnut homepage? |
| 22:08.17 | SlayerXP | abrotman: raid1 means you don't need backups. |
| 22:08.27 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: ok .. next time that website has a "dirty comptuer room of the year" award .. please enter |
| 22:08.36 | zinx | FliesLikeABrick: why the crap would you use reiserfs for "critical" data? |
| 22:08.37 | abrotman | SlayerXP: just as good as RAID0 with reiser+raid1 :) |
| 22:08.41 | abrotman | err sw raid1 :) |
| 22:08.52 | nanok | SlayerXP: no, it doesnt |
| 22:08.52 | Jinkguns | thanx. |
| 22:08.53 | Jinkguns | ;) |
| 22:09.00 | SlayerXP | nanok: YHBT, HAND. |
| 22:09.23 | FliesLikeABrick | 90% of what i do is for the sake of learning how to do it |
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| 22:09.34 | SlayerXP | FliesLikeABrick: can I have a copy of your resume, please? |
| 22:09.35 | nanok | SlayerXP: read the raid howto on tldp, it explains some things.. |
| 22:09.39 | Jinkguns | nanok, I want you to know you seriously affected the current direction I was taking with the fucking request proposal |
| 22:09.44 | FliesLikeABrick | *sigh* |
| 22:09.50 | SlayerXP | nanok: You Have Been Trolled, Have A Nice Day. |
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| 22:10.03 | zinx | FliesLikeABrick: judging by the state of your server, you have not yet learned how to be a server administrator :D |
| 22:10.07 | nanok | Jinkguns: i beg your pardon? |
| 22:10.14 | FliesLikeABrick | zinx, i'm not saying i have |
| 22:10.19 | darkcmd | FliesLikeABrick, what is the state of your setver? |
| 22:10.22 | darkcmd | server |
| 22:10.30 | FliesLikeABrick | zinx thats the kind of experience i'm trying to gain |
| 22:10.33 | Jinkguns | errr. |
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| 22:10.40 | Jinkguns | Sorry, maybe it was someone else, nanok. :/ |
| 22:10.43 | kspath | I let my dust bunnies handle sysadmin and backups |
| 22:10.49 | Jinkguns | Eh. |
| 22:10.49 | zinx | FliesLikeABrick: in the future, stick with filesystems that can be recovered a bit easier |
| 22:10.55 | nanok | Jinkguns: ah. shit does happen |
| 22:10.59 | FliesLikeABrick | thanks zinx |
| 22:11.02 | SlayerXP | zinx: s/a bit easier//; |
| 22:11.08 | zinx | SlayerXP: :) |
| 22:11.15 | darkcmd | what file system is he/she using? |
| 22:11.17 | darryl | what is the channel for FEDORA? |
| 22:11.19 | abrotman | SlayerXP: you stole what i wsa gonna say! |
| 22:11.21 | FliesLikeABrick | kspath, thats a home fileserver that i also use for test sites and other random crap |
| 22:11.22 | tarzeau | darryl: #fedora |
| 22:11.23 | zinx | darkcmd: reiserfs, probably 3 |
| 22:11.23 | abrotman | darryl: #fedora .. oddly |
| 22:11.31 | SlayerXP | abrotman: I didn't see your name written on it. |
| 22:11.32 | beardy | darryl: you can probably guess it |
| 22:11.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: i think he arses use |
| 22:11.33 | darkcmd | I am more of an EXT3 guy myself |
| 22:11.34 | tarzeau | us |
| 22:11.37 | Jinkguns | I meant, kspath, you seriously affected the current direction of the funding request proposal. In a good way, in a I'm not going to get my ass handed to me by my inexperince and logistics kinda way. |
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| 22:11.43 | abrotman | SlayerXP: i will slay you! |
| 22:11.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: "piss take" |
| 22:11.57 | SlayerXP | abrotman: yeah? you and who's army? |
| 22:12.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: guitar shop? |
| 22:12.07 | zinx | darkcmd: ext3's definitely easier to recover when things Go Wrong :) |
| 22:12.07 | abrotman | SlayerXP: army of death? :) |
| 22:12.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, i haven't been to the GUITAR SHOP |
| 22:12.14 | kspath | Jinkguns: so am I hired because I am unemployed |
| 22:12.19 | FliesLikeABrick | zinx, can an ext3 filesystem be resized though? |
| 22:12.20 | abrotman | SlayerXP: i'm gonna use switzerland's army! :) |
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| 22:12.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: the guitar is collecting dust, while i date random women |
| 22:12.34 | groton | is it really not possible to read an ext2 partition by windows? |
| 22:12.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: they will be more impressed with a well kept guitar ! |
| 22:12.36 | zinx | FliesLikeABrick: sure, but you may want xfs for that.. i think xfs has an on-line resizing tool |
| 22:12.41 | SlayerXP | FliesLikeABrick: by the way, not only is your wiring a disgrace, you have apalling taste in case design. |
| 22:12.44 | abrotman | groton: /msg dpkg explore2fs |
| 22:12.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: really? |
| 22:12.53 | beardy | groton: It is. |
| 22:12.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: how do you think resiak gets all those girls ? |
| 22:13.03 | tarzeau | resiak: wake up! |
| 22:13.05 | moshii | Anyone else noticed the cool things you can do with composite, a music player with visuals and some house/dnb? :D |
| 22:13.08 | FliesLikeABrick | SlayerXP, i'm at this house about 2 months of the year and i spend most of my time scrounging around to get stuff online, the rest of the year i'm at school |
| 22:13.09 | groton | thanks guys |
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| 22:13.17 | resiak | tarzeau: GIRLS! |
| 22:13.18 | Jinkguns | Well, kspath, where do you live and are you willing to relocate? I'd need a resume and their is no guarrentie that the 60 mil will be awarded to us, but I work on the project day and night, when I'm not browsing porn, going to college and playing CS. ;) |
| 22:13.24 | tarzeau | resiak: PROVE IT! PHOTOS! |
| 22:13.34 | FliesLikeABrick | SlayerXP, i made no hint that that room was ever to be considered professional or anything.... most of those servers were only put there 20 minutes before that picture was taken |
| 22:13.35 | kspath | Jinkguns: will there be tiny little nano umpa lumpas running around in the cluster? |
| 22:13.41 | zinx | FliesLikeABrick: XFS probably isn't as easy to recover as ext3, but it's definitely far better than reiser |
| 22:13.43 | resiak | tarzeau: Heh |
| 22:13.44 | Jinkguns | No. |
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| 22:14.05 | Jinkguns | But I had a dream last night we loaded the cluster with a research A.I. agent in the form of a cute catgirl. :/ |
| 22:14.10 | FliesLikeABrick | zinx, thanks for that information. when i first started using LVM on there, nobody gave me any good information on whether to choose xfs or reiser |
| 22:14.16 | SimonRaven | zinx: actually it is easy. but i've been at it for a while |
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| 22:14.23 | zinx | SimonRaven: heh :) |
| 22:14.46 | darkcmd | why don't people use ext3, do they think there is something wrong with it? |
| 22:14.59 | Eno_ | Most people do use ext3 |
| 22:15.02 | kspath | Jinkguns: I am in Chicagoland, IL, US, North America, Earth, Sol System, Milky Way, Virgo Supercluster can not really relocate |
| 22:15.04 | ke6isf | darkcmd: Um, I use ext3. |
| 22:15.05 | tarzeau | darryl: slower than ext2 |
| 22:15.06 | darkcmd | Eno_, true |
| 22:15.09 | SlayerXP | darkcmd: on average, people are stupid. |
| 22:15.10 | zinx | darkcmd: FliesLikeABrick wants a method of resizing the filesystem, presumably while it's mounted |
| 22:15.10 | mikejn1 | what does..Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server when trying to stark gtk-gnutella mean |
| 22:15.12 | stew | FliesLikeABrick: when in doubt use ext3. xfs can be faster for large files, reiser can be faster for lots of little files. mysql is dealing with big files. however both xfs and reiser are notorious for losing data |
| 22:15.19 | SimonRaven | i use ext3, xfs jfs of the journalling ones, and ext2 when i have to |
| 22:15.22 | ke6isf | mikejn1: Are you running it as root? |
| 22:15.23 | FliesLikeABrick | stew i do, but i wanted to be able to resize that filesystem |
| 22:15.26 | zinx | darkcmd: that's more difficult to do with ext3, afaik |
| 22:15.26 | SlayerXP | stew: as is mysql. |
| 22:15.29 | mikejn1 | *start |
| 22:15.30 | Jinkguns | That's too bad, I don't think a daily commute from Lansing, Michigan would suit you. |
| 22:15.46 | mikejn1 | ke6isf, no |
| 22:15.48 | kspath | yeah it never did |
| 22:15.51 | Jinkguns | But we probably wouldn't get started untill a year or so. with the actually building, but design, testing etc. :/ |
| 22:15.55 | tarzeau | tried UFS2 yet? |
| 22:16.03 | tarzeau | now you can, with Debian GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 22:16.04 | ke6isf | mikejn1: It basically means you don't have X authority. Did you 'su -' before running it? |
| 22:16.05 | darkcmd | resizing partitions can hose your install sometimes |
| 22:16.16 | zinx | stew: fwiw, reiserfs3 is extremely slow, especially with lots of little files.. it's more space-efficient with the little files, though. |
| 22:16.22 | kspath | Jinkguns: I know a few people in Lansing that might be able to help you |
| 22:16.34 | stew | zinx: its not worth much to me, i'll never run it :) |
| 22:16.38 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman, SlayerXP: despite your criticism, thank you for your help and information |
| 22:16.39 | zinx | stew: aye, me either |
| 22:16.39 | darkcmd | tarzeau, there've been updates with kFreeBSD? |
| 22:16.40 | nanok | Jinkguns: seriously, if you guys get it going, keep in touch. it sounds interesting to me, from many points of view ;) |
| 22:16.41 | darkcmd | is this a new one? |
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| 22:16.53 | ke6isf | Well, Reiser does fsck pretty quick like if you have a power outage. |
| 22:16.55 | tarzeau | darkcmd: #gnu-kbsd yeah |
| 22:17.02 | nanok | Jinkguns: (supposing we are talking about the same subject as last night) |
| 22:17.02 | Jinkguns | Arrggghhh I compiled my sound drivers into the kernel and now alsa-base and alsa-utils want modules. :/ |
| 22:17.04 | zinx | ke6isf: so does every other journalling fs |
| 22:17.05 | ke6isf | Then again, that's about the only advantage to Reiser I've seen. |
| 22:17.06 | tarzeau | darkcmd: it gets new packages, like sid |
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| 22:17.13 | ke6isf | zinx: I've had EXT3 take a long time on large volumes. |
| 22:17.16 | kspath | Jinkguns: I worked for CoreComm/Voyager/ExecPC/Megsinet a while back they have/had offices in Lansing and Kalamazoo |
| 22:17.16 | stew | FliesLikeABrick: well i would never be comfortable resizing a partition that wasn't already backed up, and if its backed up you can always resize by recreating it |
| 22:17.19 | darkcmd | tarzeau, I know this is an out of place question.. but what window manager do you use? |
| 22:17.21 | zinx | ke6isf: sure, if you actually run fsck |
| 22:17.22 | Jinkguns | Yes nanok, it is. :0 |
| 22:17.25 | FliesLikeABrick | stew it was backed up and it wasn't mounted |
| 22:17.28 | zinx | ke6isf: you don't have to fsck it |
| 22:17.29 | tarzeau | darkcmd: amiwm, window maker |
| 22:17.31 | streuner | Jinkguns: install an official debian kernel and use it |
| 22:17.34 | mikejn1 | ke6isf, yes i did that.. I tried it just as a user and got a whole screenfull |
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| 22:17.37 | zinx | ke6isf: since it reads the journal when it's mounted |
| 22:17.37 | ke6isf | zinx: If I have a power outage, I run it. |
| 22:17.38 | FliesLikeABrick | stew i was mainly playing with that stuff for the sake of experience |
| 22:17.41 | darkcmd | kspath, I live in Michigan also |
| 22:17.46 | Jinkguns | streuner, I am going to beat you with a stick. K. |
| 22:17.47 | zinx | ke6isf: reiserfs doesn't even *HAVE* a filesystem check utility, or at least didn't last i heard |
| 22:17.51 | ke6isf | mikejn1: Ah, then you did run it as root. Is that when the problem came up? |
| 22:18.03 | Jinkguns | I have spent the last two days compiling a kernel that works properly to support this electron microscope. :/ |
| 22:18.04 | ke6isf | zinx: There is, I think, something to do it with. |
| 22:18.06 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: what's the 'k' for? |
| 22:18.07 | SlayerXP | ke6isf: reiserfsck is, effectively, echo "You lost you data, okay (Y/n)? "; read |
| 22:18.10 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: kernel of |
| 22:18.14 | nanok | Jinkguns: iirc, you havent compiled alsa sound modules at all, in the latest kernels you _cannot_ build them in |
| 22:18.16 | darkcmd | kernel bsd |
| 22:18.17 | streuner | Jinkguns: ok, do that, but don't complain that ALSA won't work for you here anymore. |
| 22:18.18 | ke6isf | SlayerXP: Hah! |
| 22:18.23 | darkcmd | k = kernel |
| 22:18.28 | SimonRaven | fucking lag |
| 22:18.28 | SimonRaven | fucking ah, thanks |
| 22:18.33 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 22:18.43 | Jinkguns | I'm just going to recompile the kernel with my sound drivers as modules, this should fix the problem, ne? |
| 22:18.50 | SimonRaven | s/fucking$// |
| 22:18.54 | stew | zinx: "apt-file list reiser4progs" lists fsck.reiser4 |
| 22:18.55 | ke6isf | So the disadvantage, which SlayerXP reinforces, is what he described the fsck process to be to me. |
| 22:18.59 | darkcmd | I was curious how many debian users run icewm. |
| 22:19.06 | tarzeau | darkcmd: check this |
| 22:19.07 | stew | darkcmd: popcon.debian.org |
| 22:19.08 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:19.08 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:19.13 | zinx | stew: see SlayerXP's comment ;) |
| 22:19.14 | mikejn1 | ke6isf, no.. is has been a problem before this.. From a GUI it will not start at all from a terminal.. I get a screenfull and the last part says something about an ancient version |
| 22:19.22 | darkcmd | cool |
| 22:19.28 | streuner | Jinkguns: there is a reason why those kernels exist, mostly they just run very well for most of the users |
| 22:19.37 | ke6isf | mikejn1: That then brings us to the important question - what program is this that you're trying to run? |
| 22:19.50 | mikejn1 | gtk-gnutella |
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| 22:20.13 | Jinkguns | I understand that, but I have specific and special needs. |
| 22:20.14 | ke6isf | !gtk-gnutella |
| 22:20.14 | dpkg | gtk-gnutella is probably semi-automatic warezing, or a p2p client, http://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:20.29 | darkcmd | tarzeau, : why do they show debian popcon clients as ubuntu |
| 22:20.32 | darkcmd | on that page |
| 22:20.39 | SlayerXP | ke6isf: or possibly echo "You lost you data, okay (Y/n)? "; read; echo "Now don't you wish you'd listened to Uncle Slayer when he told you about backups." |
| 22:20.43 | ke6isf | mikejn1: I fold. I don't support p2p clients. |
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| 22:21.02 | ke6isf | SlayerXP: And that, sir, is why I do backups. =^_^= |
| 22:21.08 | mikejn1 | ok.. thanks for your time |
| 22:21.17 | SlayerXP | dpkg, where can I see what's in your brain? |
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| 22:21.22 | stew | mikejn1: what does "apt-cache policy gtk-gnutella" say for Installed: and Candidate: versions? |
| 22:21.34 | tarzeau | !factinfo factinfo |
| 22:21.34 | dpkg | tarzeau: there's no such factoid as factinfo |
| 22:21.48 | stew | SlayerXP: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 22:21.58 | SlayerXP | stew: I don't _know_ the factoid |
| 22:22.06 | stew | !your factoids |
| 22:22.06 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg/ |
| 22:22.12 | SlayerXP | ah-ga |
| 22:22.25 | tarzeau | !badger SlayerXP |
| 22:22.26 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
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| 22:22.54 | SlayerXP | that was easy |
| 22:22.56 | SlayerXP | !backups |
| 22:22.56 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data |
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| 22:23.09 | brc_ | I'm drawing a blank here...what's the name of the util that autoloads modules in a stock config? |
| 22:23.13 | FliesLikeABrick | heh SlayerXP point was taken a long time ago |
| 22:23.22 | mikejn1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.22 | mikejn1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.22 | mikejn1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.22 | mikejn1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:23.43 | streuner | !customer |
| 22:23.43 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 22:23.44 | brc_ | I'm trying to figure out what's loading a certian module (zaptel hardware), so I can stop it from being loaded there as it needs to be loaded in a specific order with another module |
| 22:23.52 | kspath | Jinkguns: are you sure you are ready for such a big project? |
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| 22:24.13 | kspath | Jinkguns: is it for Masters or Ph.d ? |
| 22:24.21 | beardy | apt_dump, is the files called, where dpkg's database is said to be.. |
| 22:24.27 | ilpavox | why does top tell me that 50% of my cpu is free when there is a ps running that claims to be using 75% of the cpu? |
| 22:24.28 | Jinkguns | ;) |
| 22:24.32 | Jinkguns | Hehehehe. |
| 22:24.45 | Servo888 | What are the steps to low level format a drive? Would something like dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hdc work? |
| 22:24.53 | brc_ | /dev/zero |
| 22:24.56 | Servo888 | Well just lowlevel it - I don't need to format it |
| 22:25.04 | SlayerXP | Servo888: errm, what does that have to do with low level formatting a drive? |
| 22:25.08 | brc_ | are you trying to secure erase it? |
| 22:25.21 | SlayerXP | there's no such thing as low level formatting these days |
| 22:25.23 | Servo888 | Whoops not random, I ment trying to write zeros to it |
| 22:25.28 | Jinkguns | Here is the surprise: I'm actually 19 and go to a community college. I simply work (without pay) on technology projects for Mayor Bernero. ;) |
| 22:25.28 | brc_ | true that |
| 22:25.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: gnut, what is it? |
| 22:25.33 | Servo888 | /dev/zero I guess |
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| 22:25.49 | Jinkguns | I coordinate and lobby, that is all. |
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| 22:25.57 | brc_ | any ideas on how I figure out what is loading a specific module? |
| 22:26.14 | kspath | Jinkguns: I am not surprised. I just assumed when you mentioned CS that you were with a Univ. CS program |
| 22:26.20 | tarzeau | brc_: can you stop repeating please? |
| 22:26.23 | Jinkguns | Oh. |
| 22:26.27 | Servo888 | SlayerXP, I just want to get a drive ready for a windows installation. So I want to write zeros to it, so there's nothing for windows to choke on |
| 22:26.30 | stew | brc_: what module? its probably one of /etc/modules, hotplug, or discover |
| 22:26.33 | tarzeau | brc_: sucks to read the same question three times in a row |
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| 22:26.49 | SlayerXP | Servo888: writing zeros all over a disk isn't low level formatting. |
| 22:27.15 | beardy | Neither is it secure, if you're healthy paranoid. |
| 22:27.15 | nanok | Servo888: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/that_drive, but man dd first, and be sure to know what you are doing |
| 22:27.16 | sifi-z | how can root download a file with wget with sudo for user: x ? |
| 22:27.24 | Jinkguns | No, I meant Counter Strike, actually I'm just taking basic classes right now, I was in a engineering transfer program, but after working with engineers at M.S.U, I decided it wasn't for me. At least not in that enviroment, a few times we got ripped off by poor quality work. |
| 22:27.29 | SlayerXP | i'd be amazed if you've ever even _used_ a drive that was capable of being low level formatted. |
| 22:27.30 | tarzeau | sifi-z: yuck, man chown |
| 22:27.36 | brc_ | stew: I grepped /etc/ for the module name and didn't see it listed |
| 22:27.40 | stew | Servo888: writing zeros to it shouldn't make a difference |
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| 22:27.55 | Jinkguns | I'm joining the Navy in one of their advanced programs in a year or so, depending on how this project goes. |
| 22:27.58 | stew | brc_: then it's probably either hotplug or discover; if you don't want it to be loaded /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 22:28.10 | mikejn1 | sorry stew.. got booted |
| 22:28.10 | brc_ | thanks |
| 22:28.15 | sifi-z | tarzeau, I must use it in a script which does not allow other users the root |
| 22:28.20 | Servo888 | I just wanted to write something to every block to double check that the drives still good. It did find on the badblock scan. |
| 22:28.22 | stew | !tell mikejn1 about flood |
| 22:28.33 | tarzeau | sifi-z: says who? |
| 22:28.38 | stew | mikejn1: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:28.38 | tarzeau | sifi-z: man su |
| 22:28.39 | sifi-z | tarzeau, me |
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| 22:28.49 | tarzeau | sifi-z: you must get a clue and man chown |
| 22:28.57 | Jinkguns | Does, make-kpkg kernel_image build and install the modules too or do I need to do make-kpkg modules_image and install that too? |
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| 22:29.23 | streuner | Jinkguns: /msg dpkg kp |
| 22:29.24 | dvs | Jinkguns: kernel_image is enough |
| 22:29.26 | sifi-z | tarzeau, it's a systemscript that could be upgraded and executed, root must download it with sudo or similar |
| 22:29.27 | valdyn | Jinkguns: modules_image is only required for external drivers / modules |
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| 22:29.32 | stew | Jinkguns: do you mean regular kernel modules or 3rd party modules from /usr/src/modules/ ? |
| 22:29.34 | nanok | Jinkguns: no, afair there is another target for both (and more) |
| 22:29.38 | pixelmonkey | where do I set what permissions a usb disk is automatically mounted with? Udev? |
| 22:29.42 | streuner | Jinkguns: read newbiedoc.sf.net (Section Kernel-HOWTO) |
| 22:30.00 | valdyn | pixelmonkey: /etc/fstab |
| 22:30.00 | Jinkguns | regular kernel modules. |
| 22:30.07 | sifi-z | tarzeau, or is it stupid to download scripts with wget as root? |
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| 22:30.35 | tarzeau | sifi-z: depends into what location you download |
| 22:30.36 | stew | Jinkguns: those are included in the kernel.deb built by kernel_image |
| 22:30.50 | sifi-z | tarzeau, /tmp/ |
| 22:30.55 | tarzeau | sifi-z: do it as user |
| 22:31.02 | chino2 | does apt have anything more recent than svn 1.1.4 |
| 22:31.13 | stew | chino2: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:31.15 | tarzeau | chino2: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 22:31.25 | sifi-z | tarzeau, I don't find any other way to solve this, the script is tend to be dynamic without any user switches |
| 22:31.36 | nanok | Jinkguns: ah, my bad. kernel_image is it |
| 22:31.44 | tarzeau | sifi-z: what's your problem. state the whole problem here |
| 22:31.50 | tarzeau | and get a proper solution (or not) |
| 22:31.52 | Jinkguns | okay, thanks. |
| 22:31.52 | valdyn | sifi-z: so did you read the su manpage yet? |
| 22:31.59 | tarzeau | just telling parts of your problems won't get you the solution you want |
| 22:32.08 | streuner | Jinkguns: clever guys just read... |
| 22:32.09 | kombi | I am beginning to understand what the catch on backporting is.. |
| 22:32.14 | tarzeau | valdyn: no he didn't. he didn't even explain yet what he wants to do |
| 22:32.26 | tarzeau | kombi: what's your problem? |
| 22:32.39 | kombi | package after package is needed, I'am about to loose track.. |
| 22:32.46 | Jinkguns | What makes you think I didn't read? |
| 22:32.47 | tarzeau | kombi: you might as well run sid |
| 22:33.00 | valdyn | kombi: yea, depending on what package you backport |
| 22:33.01 | sifi-z | tarzeau, download a file from a script which requires root |
| 22:33.06 | kombi | you mean re-install that box |
| 22:33.10 | kombi | sigh.. |
| 22:33.10 | nanok | streuner: Jinkguns true. i just did man make-kpkg myself. i can't remember everything, and i do think they made computers for that ;) |
| 22:33.15 | valdyn | kombi: no |
| 22:33.22 | tarzeau | sifi-z: i don't understand you, sorry |
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| 22:33.41 | streuner | well, if you would read the URL you prolly don't need to ask... |
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| 22:33.50 | beardy | kombi: He means upgrade. I wouldn't recommend it, but it's much better than starting to mix packages. |
| 22:34.00 | tarzeau | sifi-z: you want to do what? |
| 22:34.16 | tarzeau | valdyn: i guess it's pointless, i'll crashing a potion of sleep on my head |
| 22:34.17 | ilpavox | anyone catch my question before? |
| 22:34.29 | beardy | kombi: What are you backporting, out of curiousity? |
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| 22:34.43 | kombi | beardy: alsa-everything.. |
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| 22:34.58 | beardy | kombi: why? |
| 22:35.19 | riot | can i install debian on a running debian onto another harddisk (connected via usb)? |
| 22:35.33 | kombi | beardy: box was meant to become a spare mail/name server with good 'ol sendmail |
| 22:35.35 | nanok | riot: debootstrap |
| 22:35.39 | sifi-z | tarzeau, if [ `id -u` == "0" ]; then echo "Permission denied for superusers."; exit 1; fi; cd /tmp/; wget http://site.dom/script.sh; exec /tmp/script.sh |
| 22:35.41 | stew | riot: /msg dpkg debootstrap; /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 22:35.44 | nanok | !debootstrap |
| 22:35.44 | dpkg | hmm... debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
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| 22:36.07 | valdyn | kombi: why do you need bleeding edge packages for a mail server? |
| 22:36.12 | riot | nanok: thanks :) |
| 22:36.14 | nanok | stew: sorry, that was redundant from me i guess .. |
| 22:36.22 | tarzeau | sifi-z: and what's the problem with that? |
| 22:36.23 | beardy | kombi: Why do you need sound on that? |
| 22:36.26 | beardy | at all |
| 22:36.28 | ram | mikejn1: which version of gtk-gnutella are you trying to run? |
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| 22:36.39 | kombi | valdyn beardy: because I am abusing it to test audio hardware.. |
| 22:36.43 | debiannewbie | hello |
| 22:36.45 | stew | ram: he's got the sarge package |
| 22:36.47 | brc_ | is modutils deprecated? |
| 22:36.52 | sifi-z | tarzeau, but that's not secure enough, I heared that root NEVER should use Wget |
| 22:36.54 | tarzeau | sifi-z: need to run script.sh as root? |
| 22:36.57 | riot | but you guys are just too nice :D |
| 22:37.06 | streuner | brc_: not if you running 2.4.x kernels |
| 22:37.08 | valdyn | kombi: werid enough, and why would you need bleeding edge packages for that? |
| 22:37.15 | jekor | Is there a known problem with glibc (libc6 2.3.5)? A large number of my programs (seems to be GTK programs) no longer work (*** glibc detected *** and malloc issues) (I've looked all over the web for this) |
| 22:37.18 | tarzeau | sifi-z: will someone die if you run wget as root? |
| 22:37.21 | nanok | riot: yes, but dpkg is smarter. and can type a hell of a lot faster than any of us ;) |
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| 22:37.25 | brc_ | streuner, what replaces it for 2.6? |
| 22:37.28 | beardy | kombi: If you are just testing hardware, save your system from hosing and boot a livecd instead to test with, i e knoppix. |
| 22:37.28 | debiannewbie | im new to debian and just installed "sarge" for the first time, but I don't have a gui. I only have a black screen with letters. how do i access my setting to pick the right graphic card please? |
| 22:37.31 | tarzeau | sifi-z: don't trust everything you hear |
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| 22:37.51 | ram | stew: the sarge package is probably expired, yes. |
| 22:37.59 | kombi | valdyn: weired indeed, I try to test whether you can run two instances of mplayer and output them on a multi channel sound card |
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| 22:38.11 | sifi-z | tarzeau, I've heared about it about 7/10 time so |
| 22:38.26 | beardy | kombi: And you could compile on that,if you have to. |
| 22:38.33 | valdyn | kombi: and..? where's the reason to run bleeding edge packages? |
| 22:38.33 | tarzeau | sifi-z: so what? some claim LSD destroys DNA, which it doesn't |
| 22:38.39 | kombi | beardy: guess you have a point there |
| 22:38.40 | debiannewbie | what is the command line where i can bring up the settings to pick my graphic card please? |
| 22:38.45 | riot | nanok: Ack. But i think hes harder to ask. |
| 22:38.47 | tarzeau | sifi-z: some say eating shark will make you more potent |
| 22:38.49 | stew | !drxx debiannewbie |
| 22:38.49 | dpkg | debiannewbie: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 22:38.58 | beardy | debiannewbie: Don't repeat, we heard you. |
| 22:39.04 | beardy | !install x |
| 22:39.05 | dpkg | well, install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 22:39.07 | beardy | !set up x |
| 22:39.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 22:39.08 | kombi | valdyn: the only way to make it happen is to use dmix which is build into alsa-base > 1.0.9 |
| 22:39.17 | streuner | brc_: module-init-tools |
| 22:39.19 | valdyn | kombi: no |
| 22:39.23 | brc_ | thanks streuner |
| 22:39.24 | valdyn | kombi: dmix is older |
| 22:39.41 | kombi | valdyn: don't spoil my evening... |
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| 22:39.56 | beardy | debiannewbie: If you intend to run kde or gnome, '/msg dpkg install gnome and install kde |
| 22:40.01 | valdyn | kombi: ive used sarge's dmix long before sarge released anyway |
| 22:40.15 | kombi | valdyn: get the f out.. |
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| 22:40.44 | riot | If i want to build a video-pc using a via c3, is it best to use Sid? |
| 22:40.45 | kombi | valdyn: I thing I read on alsa-project that it's build in from 1.0.9.. |
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| 22:40.55 | valdyn | kombi: you read wrong |
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| 22:41.04 | kombi | valdyn: sigh.. |
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| 22:41.38 | riot | !via |
| 22:41.38 | dpkg | methinks via is see /dev/null, or see linux/drivers/pci/quirks.c, aka via-bug-fixes.c, or evil ! evil i tell you!! |
| 22:41.42 | riot | lol |
| 22:41.42 | mikejn1 | ram, I am not sure of the version |
| 22:41.51 | kombi | valdyn: anyway, couldn't make both instances play over the same hardware so something had to be done.. |
| 22:41.53 | riot | no good.. :.-( |
| 22:41.56 | beardy | kombi: Have you already messed up your system? If not, use a livecd. |
| 22:42.26 | kombi | beardy: maybe all is not lost yet, sendmail isn't so very demanding alas |
| 22:42.42 | ram | mikejn1: if it won't start, it's probably too ancient. Get the latest version. |
| 22:42.59 | ezlzII | sorry i'm a newbie :P how do i use a if-else statement to check whether a variable is null or not? |
| 22:43.00 | ram | mikejn1: there are pre-compiled .deb on http://gtk-gnutella.sf.net/ |
| 22:43.06 | ezlzII | in shell |
| 22:43.08 | abrotman | beardy: who comes here for help *before* they've messed up thier system |
| 22:43.15 | valdyn | ezlzII: man test |
| 22:43.16 | abrotman | ezlzII: #bash |
| 22:43.27 | ezlzII | ok |
| 22:43.29 | ezlzII | thanks |
| 22:43.32 | stew | ram: pre-compiled for sarge? |
| 22:43.41 | riot | wow, dpkg knows some smart facts.. ask him about "windows" or mickysoft... |
| 22:43.42 | beardy | abrotman: True. |
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| 22:43.52 | ram | stew: pre-compiled for the current stable release, whatever name it has. |
| 22:44.09 | ram | stew: for 3.1. That's what my VMWare is setup with |
| 22:44.14 | stew | ram: yeah, that's sarge |
| 22:44.24 | beardy | ezlzII: /msg dpkg abs-guide |
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| 22:44.51 | ram | stew: good -- I did an "apt-get dist-upgrade" before compiling. :-) |
| 22:45.13 | stew | !gtk-gnutella is also if your client refuses to start becuase it is too old, try the debs from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=4467 |
| 22:45.13 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 22:45.28 | astronut | if i had a move fail, and i have 2 copies of the same data in 2 places, and i'm not sure if all files are in either, how can i copy (what's left of) $src to $dest without overwritting |
| 22:45.52 | kspath | abrotman: I am about to convert an important customer db while doing a dist-upgrade to sid can you help me? |
| 22:45.53 | valdyn | astronut: man rsync |
| 22:46.00 | astronut | valdyn: k |
| 22:46.05 | fooz | astronut, anything left in source should be whole and valid |
| 22:46.10 | abrotman | kspath: don't forget to use reiserfs |
| 22:46.12 | fooz | astronut, anything with the same name in destination is probably incomplete |
| 22:46.15 | ram | thanks streuner |
| 22:46.24 | ram | I meant, thanks stew |
| 22:46.36 | kspath | abrotman: I am no fool already using it |
| 22:46.38 | streuner | ram: he need it prolly more ;-) |
| 22:46.40 | astronut | fooz: well, no, died due to lack of disk space, so i moved $dest to another drive, want to resume the move |
| 22:46.56 | abrotman | kspath: and RAID0 .. without an UPS ? |
| 22:47.01 | fooz | astronut, doesn't change things.. mv won't unlink a file from source unless copying it succeeds |
| 22:47.14 | fooz | astronut, like valdyn said, rsync source on top of dest (without deleting dest) |
| 22:47.24 | astronut | kk, am |
| 22:47.27 | astronut | it's -a right? |
| 22:47.30 | kspath | abrotman: no UPS and sketchy electrical service and a jumpy circuit breaker |
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| 22:47.49 | abrotman | kspath: maybe you should compile your own kernel ? |
| 22:48.11 | kspath | abrotman: oh I am doing that while the customer DB is converted and doing the dist-upgrade |
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| 22:48.39 | abrotman | kspath: did you remember to install KDE? |
| 22:48.59 | kspath | abrotman: already have all WMs installed on that headless server |
| 22:49.18 | abrotman | kspath: you don't also use it for yourt workstation to surf pron and BT ? |
| 22:49.43 | h3xis | i'm having an issue with my system missing "x includes". i assume this is because i'm missing some sort of devel of some sort that deals with xfree86 so is there one that exists? |
| 22:49.46 | kspath | abrotman: no it is the pr0n server for the entire west coast |
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| 22:50.00 | abrotman | kspath: good thing it's on RAID0 |
| 22:50.10 | kspath | abrotman: yeah no kidding |
| 22:50.20 | stew | h3xis: you probably need xlibs-dev, what are you trying to compile? |
| 22:50.37 | abrotman | kspath: oh .. and don't you even think about running this sweet ass machine without webmin! |
| 22:50.37 | h3xis | stew, a window decoration for kde 3.3 |
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| 22:51.14 | kspath | abrotman: oh it is a few of them I have 2 versions of apache running |
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| 22:51.31 | hammerabi | h3xis: xlibs-dev, for a start |
| 22:51.35 | hammerabi | tho it doesn't exist in sid |
| 22:51.42 | hammerabi | h3xis: what are you trying to compile? |
| 22:51.42 | h3xis | im running sarge ;) |
| 22:51.43 | astronut | rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(791) |
| 22:51.49 | abrotman | kspath: you know what would be awesome .. if you would run samba .. over the internet .. and i could just mount it! |
| 22:51.56 | h3xis | hammerabi, a window decoration for kde 3.3 |
| 22:52.03 | ridgelift | what utility do I run to configure hardware acceleration under x.org? |
| 22:52.05 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.10 | pipeline | abrotman: sshfs :P |
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| 22:52.22 | _rene_ | hammerabi: xlibs-dev is obsolete. |
| 22:52.23 | kspath | abrotman: that isnt you copying that share?!?!?!? oh sh*T /me runs to stop them |
| 22:52.26 | stew | ridgelift: what chipset does your graphics card have? |
| 22:52.29 | abrotman | pipeline: your lack of humor is astonishing :) |
| 22:52.38 | ridgelift | stew, nvidia |
| 22:52.40 | _rene_ | hammerabi: ose one of the real split packages. libx11-dev etc |
| 22:52.42 | hammerabi | _rene_: yes, I know, but it's also simpler than listing 5 000 X packages |
| 22:52.46 | beardy | heh |
| 22:52.48 | _rene_ | s/one/one or more/ |
| 22:52.54 | kombi | ok, that was my share of backporting, I am down to replacing module-init-tools now.. how again do you upgrade to sid? |
| 22:52.56 | abrotman | kspath: and they say the people in #debian are elitist snobs .. what do they know |
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| 22:53.05 | h3xis | hammerabi, you want me to try libx11-dev? |
| 22:53.11 | stew | ridgelift: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 22:53.27 | _rene_ | h3xis: you should try what you need. |
| 22:53.28 | kspath | abrotman: I can not see the elitist snoobs my nose is pointed at the ceiling |
| 22:53.34 | streuner | kombi: wth are you trying? |
| 22:53.37 | _rene_ | h3xis: what you need is visible from the error, usually |
| 22:53.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:53.57 | streuner | kombi: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:54.04 | Jinkguns | Baha, nothing like compiling alsa from source to get around stupid debian architecture. ;) |
| 22:54.27 | ridgelift | stew, thx :-) |
| 22:54.29 | stew | Jinkguns: which part is stupid? |
| 22:54.32 | kombi | streuner: oh, long story, backporting alsa but to ill effect.. box is messed up now anyway, I'll look that up thanks! |
| 22:54.35 | abrotman | Jinkguns: then why the hell would you use debian? |
| 22:54.51 | streuner | Jinkguns: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i audio' say? |
| 22:54.54 | thc | abrotman: because he's a wannabe elitist snob |
| 22:54.57 | abrotman | stew: the part he can't understand :) |
| 22:55.04 | debiannewbie | i wrote all of that down. hey thanks guys |
| 22:55.17 | debiannewbie | brb if i have problems :-) |
| 22:55.17 | abrotman | debiannewbie: wrote what down? |
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| 22:55.29 | debiannewbie | all the instructions to get my display going |
| 22:55.44 | debiannewbie | brb |
| 22:55.50 | abrotman | thank goodness .. i thought he meant what kspath and i were going on about |
| 22:55.55 | kspath | linux from scratch is the way if you want to compile everything makes gentoo look wimpy in some ways |
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| 22:56.43 | beardy | heh, how nice, one that actually listened (did he write it down by hand?) |
| 22:56.57 | Jinkguns | abrotman, this stupid custom software I need to run was developed on debian and dosen't seem to run nice on any other distro. |
| 22:57.30 | kspath | if it was hard to write it should be hard to run and or hard to read ymmv |
| 22:57.34 | abrotman | Jinkguns: that's funny .. we say the same thing about everything else .. but we manage to get it working . i suspect it's a PEBKAC :) |
| 22:57.36 | Jinkguns | I love debian, but I'm used to gentoo, where everything just works and makes sense. :/ |
| 22:57.53 | kspath | lol |
| 22:57.55 | kspath | just works |
| 22:57.57 | streuner | !gentoosmite Jinkguns |
| 22:58.01 | abrotman | Jinkguns: what software is it ? |
| 22:58.03 | stew | Jinkguns: if there is something specific that doesn't make sense we'd be happy to try to explain it |
| 22:58.07 | kombi | cheers people, off to pint drinking.. |
| 22:58.10 | Jinkguns | gxsm.sourceforge.net |
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| 22:58.53 | Jinkguns | stew, compiling a custom 2.4 kernel and then trying to get alsa working. I've found a little guide using the source package, so everything is okay. |
| 22:58.54 | thc | btwotch: don't irc as root |
| 22:59.09 | stew | Jinkguns: do you need a custom compiled kerenl? |
| 22:59.17 | streuner | Jinkguns: nothing works out of the box, you need to read and get a clue for most of all things |
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| 22:59.31 | streuner | in any distro |
| 22:59.35 | abrotman | Jinkguns: you tard .. did you read the part about the debian packages ? |
| 22:59.36 | streuner | in any OS |
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| 23:00.04 | touch_of_gray | Hi. Am trying to build Gizmod from source but am running into problems |
| 23:00.35 | touch_of_gray | Gizmod is a driver/app that allows one to use a Griffin Powermate |
| 23:00.55 | abrotman | Jinkguns: did you see them? |
| 23:01.06 | touch_of_gray | Anyone have any experience building this thing? |
| 23:01.26 | thc | touch_of_gray: you might start by showing some compile errors |
| 23:01.37 | thc | touch_of_gray: don't paste a huge msg in here, use #flood |
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| 23:01.54 | badblody | whats the difference between 2.4 and 2.6 kernel series? |
| 23:02.04 | F-Lelo | if anyone knows anything about "intrusion tolerance" please pvt me :) |
| 23:02.07 | Jinkguns | stew, the interface to the scanning tunneling electron microscope requires a fully built 2.4 kernel in /usr/src/linux to compile correctly. Ergo, the horror that is my situation. |
| 23:02.09 | streuner | badblody: 2.6 has better hardware support |
| 23:02.11 | touch_of_gray | thc: the error is " You must have ALSA installed." |
| 23:02.17 | thc | touch_of_gray: so install alsa |
| 23:02.25 | abrotman | touch_of_gray: uname -r |
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| 23:02.31 | badblody | only streuner ? |
| 23:02.31 | btwotch | hello |
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| 23:02.38 | thc | btwotch: /msg dpkg root |
| 23:02.43 | streuner | badblody: that's the main difference |
| 23:02.55 | touch_of_gray | thc: Um...I thought I did. And I've download the source |
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| 23:03.05 | btwotch | hello, i've a creative soundblaster audigy nx 2 , and I always get the err=-38 |
| 23:03.07 | thc | touch_of_gray: the source for what, alsa ? |
| 23:03.21 | touch_of_gray | thc: yes, the source for ALSA |
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| 23:03.38 | thc | touch_of_gray: what is wrong with the alsa-base package ? |
| 23:04.02 | Jinkguns | abrotman, considering I have CONTRIBUTED to the gxsm project, yes I have. |
| 23:04.06 | stew | Jinkguns: that's broken, nothing should require /usr/src/linux (according to the kernel README) but anyway, are you positive that it needs full kernel source? it most likely only needs full kernel headers, apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) and link the /usr/src/kernel-headers-$(uname -r) directory to /usr/src/linux |
| 23:04.18 | abrotman | Jinkguns: and the packages don't work ? |
| 23:04.26 | Jinkguns | No no no. -_- |
| 23:04.28 | touch_of_gray | thc: I don't know. Damn near everything label ALSA is installed but I keep getting the error |
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| 23:04.53 | Jinkguns | GXSM has a parent program called SRANGER, http://sranger.sf.net/ |
| 23:05.02 | Jinkguns | Which is what requires the kernel. |
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| 23:05.21 | stew | Jinkguns: does it patch the kernel or just build modules against the source? |
| 23:05.30 | Jinkguns | build modules against the source. |
| 23:05.31 | thc | touch_of_gray: which kernel version are you running |
| 23:05.42 | stew | Jinkguns: then it should only need headers, try what I suggested above |
| 23:05.48 | touch_of_gray | thc: 2.6.12 on a PPC |
| 23:05.50 | abrotman | Jinkguns: did you try module-assistant ? |
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| 23:06.04 | stew | touch_of_gray: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 23:06.21 | thc | touch_of_gray: that kernel has alsa modules built in, maybe ask in #debianppc |
| 23:06.21 | Jinkguns | eh, it dosen't matter now, I've gotten through the hard part. :D |
| 23:06.29 | streuner | Jinkguns: the easiest solution would a 2.6.x debian kernel and get those kernel-headers |
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| 23:06.49 | streuner | be* |
| 23:06.51 | stew | streuner: he said it needs 2.4 not 2.6 |
| 23:06.52 | Jinkguns | Unfortunetly the sranger version I need to run only likes 2.4 |
| 23:06.55 | streuner | nevermind then :-) |
| 23:06.57 | streuner | oh |
| 23:07.07 | touch_of_gray | thc: OK. I'll ask there. Thanks, anyway... |
| 23:07.12 | stew | streuner: you are crossing streams with an alsa problem i'm guessing |
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| 23:07.17 | abrotman | stew: don't you love people who come in .. shout about problems .. go out of thier way to mess up thier system .. and proclaim it debian's fault? :) |
| 23:07.22 | streuner | yep |
| 23:07.25 | mikejn1 | ram, thanks for your help.. I was able to get it installed and working |
| 23:07.32 | nanok | Jinkguns: but you have built the kernel yourself afair, so you should have both the source and the headers in place in the process.. |
| 23:07.33 | abrotman | and all because they don't want to ask ... |
| 23:07.37 | stew | love it |
| 23:07.58 | abrotman | or thier way is "better" :) |
| 23:08.24 | nanok | abrotman: yes, "where is rc.local on debian"-style |
| 23:08.34 | abrotman | nanok: are you being serious? |
| 23:08.37 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 23:08.40 | abrotman | i missed the -style :) |
| 23:08.42 | nanok | i do love that kind of question that actually implies the answer(which is wrong) |
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| 23:09.17 | stew | nanok: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 23:09.36 | abrotman | stew: it was a joke |
| 23:09.47 | abrotman | stew: or .. more commentary i suppose |
| 23:09.52 | abrotman | stew: how was the par-tay ? |
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| 23:10.29 | nanok | abrotman: the factoid is indeed insightfull, nevrtheless. allthough i can't see the "fuck off" in there :P |
| 23:10.36 | nanok | (that was a joke to) |
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| 23:12.28 | stew | sorry, not in the joking mood, since one of my servers is returning 21 second ping times, and i now have a greatful dead song stuck in my head |
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| 23:12.44 | ppcthug | hello all |
| 23:12.54 | madradrone | stew: any connection between the two ? :-) |
| 23:13.13 | abrotman | stew: touch of grey perhaps? |
| 23:13.15 | stew | madradrone: not at all, the latter is because we have touch_of_gray |
| 23:13.15 | stew | yes |
| 23:13.30 | abrotman | stew: St stephen? |
| 23:13.37 | stew | but its all riiiight |
| 23:13.45 | raf256 | can I recompile debian programs with different gcc/g++ options (-fPic and s... |
| 23:13.57 | stew | raf256: /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg source |
| 23:14.05 | abrotman | madradrone: it's a grateful dead song |
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| 23:15.37 | ppcthug | my apologies if this is a newbie problem but I did some google searching and couldn't find a solution, I updated my debian install to a 2.6 kernel via synaptic package manager, but when x starts up it gives an error message about no volume controll being found so my sound isn't working. |
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| 23:16.05 | abrotman | ppcthug: on a mac ? |
| 23:16.32 | ppcthug | its an old computer I put together from stuff in my dads garage |
| 23:16.34 | fooz | aaaaarrrrggghhhhh |
| 23:16.46 | ppcthug | pentium 2 333 Mhz I belive |
| 23:17.04 | fooz | autoconf is so retarded |
| 23:17.16 | stew | ppcthug: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 23:18.53 | tuv | is there a tool for synchronizing with a pocket pc in debian? |
| 23:19.27 | ppcthug | stew: you mean type that into the command line as root? I'm kinda a noob. |
| 23:19.36 | stew | !alsa one-liner |
| 23:19.36 | dpkg | from memory, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
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| 23:20.09 | ohad | i am trying to mount my ipod and i'm getting the following error : mount: /dev/sda3 is not a valid block device - any ideas? i tried /dev/sda2 |
| 23:20.52 | nanok | ohad: try: dmesg, fdisk -l, etc |
| 23:21.16 | nanok | (etc as in etcaetera, not as in #etc<enter>, ofc) |
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| 23:22.29 | raf256 | I want to recompile a program |
| 23:22.32 | raf256 | like Konversation |
| 23:22.59 | raf256 | how can I then install it nicelly with apt-get so that dpkg will be aware of my self-made version? |
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| 23:23.01 | secher | IPv6 keeps starting, and is really screwing with my network. How do I unconfigure IPv6 from an interface? |
| 23:23.04 | raf256 | in the most easy way |
| 23:23.56 | ohad | nanok, can't see it fdisk -l and dmesg says usb 4-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 |
| 23:23.56 | ohad | ieee1394: Initialized config rom entry `ip1394' |
| 23:24.36 | stew | raf256: /msg dpkig hold |
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| 23:24.56 | stew | raf256: compile it with dpkg-buildpackage , dpkg -i it and put it on hold |
| 23:24.59 | raf256 | stew: so I should normally make && make install into /usr/local/ and only stop dpkg from overwrittinh? |
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| 23:25.04 | raf256 | oh, ok |
| 23:25.06 | stew | raf256: oh, no |
| 23:25.18 | stew | raf256: i was assuming you were backporting, why aren't you backporting? |
| 23:25.34 | raf256 | stew: I want to recompile few program with stack overflow protection |
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| 23:25.56 | stew | raf256: why not compile the debian packages? |
| 23:26.06 | kspath | lol defrag package |
| 23:26.15 | raf256 | yes, I want to get them by apt-get source and then just pas -Fpic and other flags |
| 23:26.43 | stew | raf256: right, after you change debian/rules; run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ; that will create new .debs in ../ |
| 23:26.48 | Jinkguns | alsaconf detects my via onboard sound card, but when it tries to load the module I get init_module: No such device. Any ideas? |
| 23:26.52 | raf256 | if you can give me a commend better then like apt-get source foo && cd foo && CFLAGS=-fpic && make install then I willbe happy to use |
| 23:26.52 | stew | raf256: install those .debs and put the package on hold |
| 23:27.02 | raf256 | ok |
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| 23:27.17 | raf256 | hmm change debian/rules - I suppose I setup the flags there right? |
| 23:27.25 | stew | raf256: edit debian/rules and change the CFLAGS in there, then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 23:27.34 | raf256 | thanks, I will try it in a minute |
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| 23:27.52 | Hooke | hi |
| 23:28.27 | raf256 | stew: do You think it would be nice to by default give the critical applications compiled in that way, like http,irc,news clients, and ssh, ftp servers? |
| 23:28.32 | Fred_ | hey guys, i try to install debian from a cd on a sony laptop... When the cd boots, i can surf through help with F1 throught F12... but once i start the installation, i can't even use the keyboard... I believe he's not recognized. Pressing caps lock doesn't put the little green ligth on :) Any idea ? |
| 23:28.45 | kspath | devilspie (0.8-3) find windows and perform actions on them VERY cool what was the name of the similar tool I fergit |
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| 23:28.56 | raf256 | -Fpic should cause tiny delay only upon loading and smash stacking not so big overhead while running |
| 23:28.57 | Fred_ | i looked through the boot option, but can't find one that will help me ... |
| 23:29.22 | stew | raf256: i don't know enough about it |
| 23:29.44 | nanok | Fred_: i think you should google for your laptop model, first. it is quite specific i should think |
| 23:29.50 | stew | asuffield: do you have anything to say azbout raf256 question about -fpic? |
| 23:30.08 | ohad | nanok, any ideas? |
| 23:30.17 | nanok | Fred_: i.e. gg sony vayo XYZT debian |
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| 23:30.38 | nanok | ohad: dmesg | grep sd, paste in #flood |
| 23:30.50 | ohad | thanks |
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| 23:31.00 | nanok | and yes, apple sucks almost as well as sony |
| 23:31.21 | nanok | :P |
| 23:31.28 | Fred_ | nanok yeah, i've found some info... but I believe i need a usb keyboard... :) I just have ps2 keyboard ... |
| 23:31.39 | raf256 | nanok: they implant rootkits into their clients machines as well ;) ? |
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| 23:32.06 | nanok | raf256: if that would give more sucking pleisure, i wouldnt be surprised if they did :P |
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| 23:32.50 | raf256 | my gf is prove that not only microsoft and/or soony, mac things do suck |
| 23:32.54 | raf256 | in quite different way though |
| 23:33.40 | nanok | yes, they would probably be very succesfull at sucking, put together |
| 23:33.49 | Fred_ | nanok: the weird things is that it works on the boot screen... but when i start the installation, it doesn,t work anymore ... Arf... i will probably get a usb keyboard from work tomorrow ... |
| 23:33.56 | stew | ohad: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 23:33.59 | nanok | for a nice juicy consistent suck :P |
| 23:34.03 | stew | ohad: does it show up in "fdisk -l" ? |
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| 23:34.06 | raf256 | stew: more on that matter "The IBM patch is available from its research homepage, although you won't need to fetch it from there if you're using Debian because the Debian GCC packages ship with the patch included in the source, although it's not enabled. This short recipe explains how you would enable it and rebuild your version of GCC." http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/76 |
| 23:34.12 | raf256 | Im going to test it in this week |
| 23:34.14 | Jowi | hi all |
| 23:34.19 | phogg | Can I assume that it's a bad idea to let aptitude remove hotplug? |
| 23:34.31 | raf256 | hey, if it works, perhaps I could help and rebuild that versions and put out a nice repository? |
| 23:34.32 | gravity | phogg: Are you running testing or unstable? |
| 23:34.34 | nanok | Fred_: on the boot screen thinkgs are different. think no more of this weirdness, just try to find a solution ;) |
| 23:34.43 | raf256 | phogg: depends |
| 23:34.51 | Jowi | anyone use sawfish 1.3? anyone's got sawfish-themer that works with it? |
| 23:34.53 | raf256 | phogg: once it fucked out my OS totally |
| 23:35.06 | raf256 | phogg: but it *should* work fine - just the udev |
| 23:35.15 | graham | might someone be able to help me out, i'm trying to create a software raid but i can't seem to get the debian installer to create it correctly for me? I keep getting an error that reads "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 onf RAID1 device #0 failed." |
| 23:35.17 | ohad | stew, i don't see it there.. |
| 23:35.28 | phogg | raf256: it seems like a new version of udev conflicts with hotplug. But... udev doesn't do all of the same stuff, does it? |
| 23:35.30 | stew | ohad: do you have sd_mod and usb-storage modules loaded? |
| 23:35.43 | raf256 | phogg: keep .deb of the old .hotplug around though, if you will find that after reboot none of the devices, inclusing netword cards do work ;) |
| 23:35.56 | stew | phogg: it does everything hotplug does except for loading modules |
| 23:36.14 | raf256 | phogg: I was cofused about that as well but guys here tolds me I could switch to udev. Im still on hotplug+udev though |
| 23:36.21 | stew | phogg: modules that were previously loaded by hotplug you will need to put into /etc/modules |
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| 23:36.42 | raf256 | stew: but system still detects and can react to some events |
| 23:36.52 | raf256 | stew: like putting in/out USB devices? |
| 23:36.56 | stew | raf256: yes |
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| 23:37.07 | raf256 | I liked the root plug idea although I thought it requires hotplug? |
| 23:37.28 | phogg | stew: one step forward, two steps back )-: |
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| 23:37.46 | stew | i need to try to get ivman working under etch again |
| 23:37.46 | stroh | moin |
| 23:38.01 | ohad | stew i modprobe'd those two now. |
| 23:38.12 | ohad | stew mount /media/ipod/ |
| 23:38.12 | ohad | mount: /dev/sda3 is not a valid block device |
| 23:38.17 | raf256 | anyone on my rootplug question? |
| 23:38.20 | phogg | raf256: I try to keep the apt cache for quite a while and only clear it when I have to or when a new stable is released |
| 23:38.24 | raf256 | there arent .deb sfor rootplug? |
| 23:38.38 | stew | ohad: does sda3 show up in fdisk -l sda? |
| 23:38.43 | nanok | ohad: who put that line in your fstab, i am wondering.. |
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| 23:40.01 | Fred_ | nanok: yeah, tomorow, the usb keyboard would be the solution :) I'm a bit disapointed... I mean i was ready, i tested my laptop with knoppix many times and it was working great ... i found docs about sony hotkeys and stuff... i was ready ... and the installation starts bam, i stuck at the first screen and now i have to wait tomorrow ahah! |
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| 23:40.15 | raf256 | Im on debian unstable. can I slowly move to testing or even stable? |
| 23:40.45 | raf256 | can I easly install multiply versions of given appl? like of Dia drawing program |
| 23:40.45 | d0uglas | can you take an existing freebsd installation and then debianify it or must you install freebsd debian from scratch |
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| 23:40.52 | stroh | i use linux for some hours and my sound driver dosn't work ... have someone an idea what can i do? |
| 23:41.04 | stew | raf256: if you change your sources to testing you would be on testing eventually, like in a few months, if you change your sources to etch, you would be on stable in a few years |
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| 23:41.22 | raf256 | stroh: unmured? inc. volume? check cables? kmix alsaconf amixer |
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| 23:41.25 | Jinkguns | what package provides glib-gettextsize? |
| 23:42.10 | raf256 | stew: but after changing sources.list to testing, wouldnt the first apt-get dist-upgrade reinstall most my soft into lower version/ |
| 23:42.11 | stroh | hm |
| 23:42.18 | thc | stroh: what soundcard and what kernel version |
| 23:42.20 | stroh | alsa |
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| 23:42.35 | d0uglas | raf256: no |
| 23:42.39 | stew | raf256: no, apt-get won't downgrade by default /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 23:42.45 | stroh | 2.6er kernel i think |
| 23:42.52 | WooDe | greetings |
| 23:42.58 | thc | !alsa26 |
| 23:42.58 | dpkg | [alsa26] apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss && alsaconf && alsamixer |
| 23:43.01 | stew | raf256: you have to wait for newer packages to appear in testing than the ones you ahve installed, or you can try to force some by hand |
| 23:43.10 | raf256 | mhm ok |
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| 23:43.21 | raf256 | btw, I have hard time using oss with alsa |
| 23:43.32 | raf256 | when ALSA is running, I can not echo "foo" > /dev/dsp even as root |
| 23:43.43 | stew | raf256: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 23:43.50 | ohad | stew thanks |
| 23:43.51 | raf256 | bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource bus |
| 23:43.53 | ohad | gotta go offline |
| 23:43.54 | thc | whoppix: don't irc as root |
| 23:43.57 | ohad | be back in a little |
| 23:44.09 | stroh | hm |
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| 23:44.14 | raf256 | same after modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; the modprobe didnt printed anything |
| 23:44.24 | raf256 | nothing in dmesg |
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| 23:44.26 | WooDe | Im trying to setup my SMC 2835W PCMCIA with linux Kernal 2.6 for the last 2 fricking days but to advail, can anybody help me ? |
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| 23:44.35 | stroh | wehre can i look wich kernel is running? |
| 23:44.40 | thc | stroh: uname -r |
| 23:44.41 | raf256 | stroh: uname -a |
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| 23:45.10 | stroh | 2.6.10-5-386 kernel |
| 23:45.14 | stroh | thx |
| 23:45.27 | Eulex | stroh, that's not a debian kernel |
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| 23:45.33 | Muffie | well... another dist-upgrade... the old direct rendering problem is back |
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| 23:45.35 | Jinkguns | alsaconf detects my via onboard sound card, but when it tries to load the module I get init_module: No such device. Any ideas? |
| 23:45.43 | kantlivelong | hey any one here have vmware? |
| 23:45.58 | stroh | hm ...? |
| 23:45.59 | stew | stroh: you are running ubuntu? |
| 23:46.00 | thc | Jinkguns: which kernel ? and which soundcard |
| 23:46.06 | stroh | yes ubuntu |
| 23:46.15 | Eulex | stroh, #ubuntu |
| 23:46.18 | Jinkguns | one sec. |
| 23:46.19 | stew | stroh: wrong channel |
| 23:46.23 | stroh | k ... |
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| 23:46.32 | nanok | Jinkguns: btw, it is not via, most likely adXXXX something |
| 23:46.44 | stew | Jinkguns: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:46.46 | nanok | Jinkguns: what motherboard? |
| 23:46.47 | Jinkguns | but alsaconf detected it as via. :/ |
| 23:47.06 | thc | Jinkguns: via* is probably correct. which kernel version. |
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| 23:47.09 | Jinkguns | It's a custom 2.4.27 kernel |
| 23:47.21 | thc | Jinkguns: did you build alsa-modules into that kernel ? |
| 23:47.25 | nanok | Jinkguns: well, might be. alsa tends to be right, especially latelly :) |
| 23:47.27 | Jowi | Jinkguns, which board have you got? |
| 23:47.28 | dli | Jinkguns, why not upgrade to 2.4.31 or even 2.6? |
| 23:47.33 | Jinkguns | one second. |
| 23:47.36 | stroh | bye |
| 23:47.50 | Jinkguns | I compiled and installed the alsa-source after installing the custom kernel |
| 23:47.54 | kantlivelong | hey any one here have vmware? |
| 23:47.55 | whoppix | thc, yes, thank you, that was the wrong terminal ;) |
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| 23:47.56 | Jinkguns | I don't know what motherboard it is. :/ |
| 23:48.18 | Jowi | Jinkguns: is it a mini-itx? |
| 23:48.18 | thc | whoppix: you're not the only user who has irc'd as root today |
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| 23:48.35 | whoppix | thc, *g* |
| 23:48.47 | Jinkguns | No it is not. |
| 23:48.48 | thc | Jinkguns: you compiled alsa from source, that doesn't mean your kernel has alsa soundcard drivers built in |
| 23:49.05 | graham | anyone here sucessfully used the debian installer to create a software raid? |
| 23:49.08 | nanok | Jinkguns: try modules-asistant.. |
| 23:49.08 | Jinkguns | I built in the via drivers under sound. |
| 23:49.20 | Eulex | !whoppix |
| 23:49.20 | dpkg | methinks whoppix is the old name for WHAX (http://www.iwhax.net), a stand alone penetration testing live cd based on SLAX based on Slackware |
| 23:49.29 | Eulex | !based on debian |
| 23:49.29 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 23:49.34 | nanok | !tell graham about ask |
| 23:49.35 | Jinkguns | nanok how do I preform that command? |
| 23:49.45 | nanok | Jinkguns: you just type it |
| 23:49.55 | Eulex | umh... not even based on... |
| 23:49.56 | nanok | Jinkguns: might be module-asistant, though. can't rememebr |
| 23:50.03 | graham | i'm trying to create a software raid but i can't seem to get the debian installer to create it correctly for me? I keep getting an error that reads "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 onf RAID1 device #0 failed." |
| 23:50.16 | kspath | windowsizer and devilspie are two of the windows management tools there were others hmm |
| 23:50.30 | whoppix | Eulex, whoppix was debian based *g* |
| 23:50.50 | Jinkguns | nanok I don't have that command available. |
| 23:50.55 | Jowi | Jinkguns: try "sudo modprobe snd-via82xx" |
| 23:51.03 | nanok | graham: normally it should work fine. take a look at the messeges in the consoles, maybe there's more info about what goes wrong |
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| 23:51.17 | Eulex | whoppix, hmm, ok... if you're running whoppix, you're in the wrong chan btw |
| 23:51.22 | Jinkguns | Jowi:: No such device |
| 23:51.48 | thc | Jinkguns: does sound work with a pre-compiled debian kernel ? |
| 23:51.51 | stew | Jinkguns: that generally means that that drivers didn't find any hardware it supports |
| 23:51.51 | whoppix | Eulex, no, im running gentoo, debian, ubuntu and openbsd :) |
| 23:51.55 | Jinkguns | No it dosen't. |
| 23:52.03 | thc | Jinkguns: even a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 23:52.17 | Jinkguns | dunno. |
| 23:52.26 | stew | Jinkguns: you tried a 2.4 kernel after you had installed the pcmcia-modules pacakge for that kernel? |
| 23:52.28 | thc | Jinkguns: try one out, it will make it much easier to narrow it down |
| 23:52.32 | kspath | oh crap windowsizer is NOT it M$ windblowz app |
| 23:52.53 | Jowi | Jinkguns: ok it was worth a shot. that's the driver my via board uses at least... |
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| 23:53.05 | stumbles | hi, i'm booting to a debian testing cd to re-install grub, but when i try to edit a file or run grub-install i get "Error opening terminal bterm" |
| 23:53.12 | graham | nanok: seems like it can't find /dev/md/op1 "the device apparently does not exist" "Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock" |
| 23:53.28 | Jinkguns | Jowi: I'm absolutely sure that's the driver I need, it just isn't loading. |
| 23:53.41 | nanok | graham: perhaps you are doing something very wrong.. |
| 23:53.57 | nanok | graham: can't say for sure, but have another look, maybe it strikes you ;) |
| 23:54.04 | thc | stumbles: try a sarge cd image that _isn't_ buggy ? or use a knoppix cd |
| 23:54.06 | Eulex | stumbles, try the sarge cd instead. the etch installer is beta. |
| 23:54.23 | nanok | Jinkguns: knoppix@7[~]$ dpkg -S `which module-assistant ` |
| 23:54.23 | nanok | module-assistant: /usr/bin/module-assistant |
| 23:54.25 | thc | stumbles: you can also very easily put grub on a floppy |
| 23:54.28 | Jinkguns | Nevermind guys, thanks for trying to help me though. :/ |
| 23:54.46 | nanok | Jinkguns: so the package is module-assistant |
| 23:54.58 | stumbles | excellent thanks thc & Eulex |
| 23:55.01 | graham | nanok: i've tried a couple different ways, for a couple hours, is anyone else running a software raid? i've seen online FAQs that talk about using raidtool2 but i figured using the installer would be the easiest. |
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| 23:55.23 | ^ATOMIC^ | how do i display all system vars? |
| 23:55.31 | stew | ^ATOMIC^: type "set" |
| 23:55.40 | qtac | how do I get the GNU coreutils on Debian? |
| 23:55.48 | nanok | graham: using the installer should work fine. i have done it more than once, and the installer for sarge _is_ stable, so.. |
| 23:55.50 | qtac | for some reason it seems to ship with something else |
| 23:56.06 | nanok | ^ATOMIC^: export? |
| 23:56.07 | Jowi | Jinkguns: then my suggestion would be to try with 2.6. that should work ok. |
| 23:56.31 | stew | Jowi: he cannot use 2.6 |
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| 23:56.36 | Jowi | stew: oh |
| 23:56.38 | Jinkguns | :/ |
| 23:56.44 | Jinkguns | I'm calling it a night for now. |
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| 23:56.59 | graham | nanok: just to be sure, i partition two drives as raid devices then create a raid, then partition the raid right? |
| 23:57.00 | Jinkguns | There 'might' be a way I can use 2.6. :/ |
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| 23:57.04 | Jowi | hope it solves itself Jinkguns :) |
| 23:57.07 | nanok | Jinkguns: well, i would say keep the electron microscope and lose the sound card :) |
| 23:57.29 | stew | Jinkguns: i'd try /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 23:57.45 | Jinkguns | yeah, but while I was trying to get the sound card working the sranger compile screwed up. |
| 23:57.50 | nanok | graham: well, there are to kinds. you can't partition a raid of partitions, usually |
| 23:57.53 | stumbles | thc: i was using "rescue" boot option on the etch cd -- what do i use to recover grub from the sarge cd? |
| 23:57.54 | Jinkguns | I am really getting tired of this damn software. |
| 23:58.02 | stew | Jinkguns: with a debian kernel, first, and see if sranger will compile against the kernel-headers |
| 23:58.06 | Jinkguns | GXSM and SRanger just isn't compiling the way it should be. |
| 23:58.17 | thc | stumbles: you want to get the emergency shell up, i can't remember what keys to hit |
| 23:58.20 | thc | !fixmbr |
| 23:58.21 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target), then chroot into it (chroot /target), then run "grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub". |
| 23:58.24 | nanok | graham: if you are using raid on partitions make one raid device for each partition you would wnat the raid to have |
| 23:58.33 | streuner | Jinkguns: if you gave up that easily, Linux isn't what you want then |
| 23:58.33 | graham | nanok: so i should partition out (/, /home/, /var/... ) before i create the raid. |
| 23:58.40 | stumbles | cheers thc |
| 23:58.44 | thc | no prob. |
| 23:58.46 | graham | nanok: i'll try that |
| 23:58.56 | Jinkguns | streuner this software is very fickle, okay. :/ |
| 23:59.03 | nanok | graham: or use hole disks, not partitions. your choice |
| 23:59.07 | Jowi | Jinkguns: does alsamixer give you a soundcard to play with? |
| 23:59.15 | thc | stumbles: honestly though, it's actually less work to make a grub floppy, boot it and install grub from that |
| 23:59.24 | streuner | Jinkguns: sometimes you need some time, but its worse to learn it |
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| 23:59.28 | nanok | graham: but using partition and multiple raid devices means you can chose for instance raid1 for / and raid 5 for home |
| 23:59.30 | stew | Jowi: he can't even get the driver loaded, so no |
| 23:59.32 | nanok | which is nice ;) |
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| 23:59.35 | Jinkguns | Guys, thanks for the help, but I'm going to call it a night. ;) |
| 23:59.36 | graham | nanok: i mispoke, i have been attempting ot use full disks |
| 23:59.59 | graham | nanok: i'm just trying to get two drives into a raid1 |
