| 00:00.03 | Jowi | stew: thought that the kernel might have loaded an alternative driver for it, that's all |
| 00:00.05 | raf256 | where to report bug in synaptic on unstable? |
| 00:00.22 | stew | raf256: /msg dpkg bts |
| 00:00.30 | stew | raf256: err /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 00:00.40 | stew | raf256: what is the bug, out of curiosity? |
| 00:00.41 | nanok | graham: well, try that way anyhow. it might be the drives are not realy identical, or something. and there is more to it, i think, but can't remeber just now.. |
| 00:01.03 | raf256 | ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 |
| 00:01.03 | raf256 | poll( |
| 00:01.03 | Jinkguns | I'm going to go take a nice hot bath. I was until the 14th to get this STUPID electron microscope working, which I built in my senior year of highschool. It broke down over the summer, so I figured I'd reinstall the software to make sure that wasn't the problem before I took the microscope to MSU for diagnostics. |
| 00:01.28 | raf256 | ^-- it often hangs on that, showing bussy icon. it is reciving input signals as strace shows, like it reacts to mouse and so on |
| 00:01.47 | Jinkguns | On the 14th, there is this huge press event scheduled, and the freakin' president of Michigan State University is going to be there, to announce the first electron microscope built at a high school, blah blah but it isn't even working. |
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| 00:01.53 | raf256 | can I attach gdb to running strace and print out its backtrace? |
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| 00:02.06 | raf256 | *to running synaptic |
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| 00:02.21 | thc | raf256: why not just strace -o ? |
| 00:02.22 | Jinkguns | I have NO idea how I got it installed last time but I'm starting to think it's the CVS build that is screwing everything up, must be unstable, I should use a snapshot. :/ |
| 00:02.27 | stew | raf256: did you build synaptic with debub information? |
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| 00:02.34 | samuel | hello |
| 00:02.44 | raf256 | stew: I installed synaptic from apt-get |
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| 00:02.52 | stew | raf256: then it won't have debug information |
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| 00:03.01 | raf256 | even name of functions? |
| 00:03.04 | samuel | where can i ask some problem about the game |
| 00:03.12 | stew | raf256: nope |
| 00:03.14 | nanok | Jinkguns: probably should. on the other hand, working or not, it was built, wasnt it.. :P |
| 00:03.31 | Jinkguns | Yeah. ;/ |
| 00:03.39 | raf256 | how can I fasty install my local mail |
| 00:03.43 | nanok | _the_ game, you understand.. |
| 00:03.44 | raf256 | because my email reporting tools do not work |
| 00:03.47 | nanok | :) |
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| 00:04.01 | samuel | i was success playing warcraft 3 in debian , but i wanna try counter strike |
| 00:04.10 | stew | raf256: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
| 00:04.14 | raf256 | I have a tiny email server masqmail. can I use it to just forward my local mail outside |
| 00:04.22 | raf256 | just acting as email CLIENT, that is |
| 00:04.39 | nanok | raf256: you mean smarthost? |
| 00:04.43 | Jinkguns | The problem is that the reason why the press conference is on the 14th is because that's the first day of the next semester that marks the beginning of the first high school nanotechnology elective class in the world. It would be nice if they had a working S.T.M., because that is the entire reason why we built it. |
| 00:04.44 | Jinkguns | ;) |
| 00:04.44 | raf256 | when I send (from UNIX) an email, I wan my server to connect to my pop3/smtp server like gmail.com and send it out using that |
| 00:04.57 | Jinkguns | But still nanok, thanks, you made me feel a lot better with that. ;) |
| 00:05.30 | raf256 | nanok: dunno. I just want to 1) deliver mails locally 2) not recive emails frou outside 3) SEND emails outside, but using connection to other server like to gmail com juts like email clietns do |
| 00:05.32 | nanok | raf256: that is called smarthost. search your mta's documentation for smarthost |
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| 00:05.41 | Hooke | hi |
| 00:05.50 | raf256 | nanok: masqmail have it? |
| 00:05.57 | Jinkguns | If I wasn't stuck using custom software, hacked together hardware and the 2.4 kernel I'm sure debian would rock. :/ |
| 00:06.04 | nanok | Jinkguns: well, i think you should relax a bit, have a smoke |
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| 00:06.23 | thc | 2.4 kernels run great on older hardware. |
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| 00:06.27 | needlz | hi |
| 00:06.33 | nanok | Jinkguns: and try again. if it worked once, it should work again, right? (TM) (R) (C) |
| 00:06.33 | Jinkguns | I don't smoke, but I have a large pornographic collection, maybe that'll help me relax. |
| 00:06.37 | nanok | :) |
| 00:06.42 | Jinkguns | :) |
| 00:06.56 | Jinkguns | Unless the circuitry on the electron microscope fried. :/ |
| 00:07.25 | nanok | Jinkguns: shit _does_ happen.. |
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| 00:08.09 | Jinkguns | Apple: KDE 4 to Support Apple Dashboard Widgets |
| 00:08.10 | Jinkguns | whoa. |
| 00:08.10 | samuel | anyone play live cd ? |
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| 00:08.29 | needlz | im running debian 3.1 + kernel 2.4.20 on a vserver (so i cant compile my own kernel or use any modules etc.). my problem is, that i want to create a encrypted container..but the ways i know (cryptoloop, dm-crypt, encfs and truecrypt) won't work because they need kernel moduls OR a newer kernel.... |
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| 00:08.43 | needlz | does anyone know another way, for using a encrypted container? |
| 00:08.44 | RixiM | how do i port a package from debian i386 to debian arm? |
| 00:09.19 | RixiM | can you install your own kernel? |
| 00:09.25 | RixiM | oh. |
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| 00:09.42 | thc | RixiM: you might wanna try asking that in #debian-arm |
| 00:10.04 | needlz | RixiM.. nope :/ |
| 00:10.08 | RixiM | thx... |
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| 00:10.11 | raf256 | can I use file chmod to limit access to given programs for given users only? |
| 00:10.23 | streuner | Jinkguns: most developers just use debian |
| 00:10.29 | raf256 | and i do not want to set it again after each apt-get update |
| 00:10.33 | needlz | RixiM.. for that, i need access for all devices etc..and that won't work on those vservers |
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| 00:10.46 | sirjinx | Hello |
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| 00:10.56 | bbrazil | raf256: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 00:11.16 | darkcmd | anyone here familliar with setting up an encrypted file system |
| 00:11.28 | needlz | darkcmd.. a little, on "normal" systems :) |
| 00:11.29 | RixiM | needlz: pivot_root? |
| 00:11.35 | raf256 | bbrazil: like to allow to run compilers only by users in group "devels" |
| 00:11.42 | needlz | RixiM.. whats pivot_root? |
| 00:11.43 | RixiM | and init. |
| 00:11.56 | bbrazil | raf256: pointless. there's ways around that - like uploading your own compiler |
| 00:12.01 | needlz | ah |
| 00:12.05 | needlz | change root file systems |
| 00:12.21 | RixiM | http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2003/12/msg00122.html |
| 00:12.22 | raf256 | bbrazil: not if one have access only to noexec partitions |
| 00:12.26 | darkcmd | how do I setup an encrypted file system |
| 00:12.32 | RixiM | that looks like exactlty what you're trying to do... |
| 00:12.44 | bbrazil | raf256: eh - no. bash, perl, php etc. are all interpreters |
| 00:12.46 | raf256 | bbrazil: hmm but there is /tmp, I suppose I can dissalow non-devels to writing exec into /tmp using ACLs tough |
| 00:12.49 | needlz | darkcmd.. http://www.infoanarchy.org/wiki/index.php?title=Hard_Disk_Encryption&redirect=no |
| 00:12.56 | needlz | darkcmd.. maybe that can help you |
| 00:13.03 | needlz | RixiM.. thx, ill read that |
| 00:13.04 | raf256 | hmm |
| 00:13.04 | needlz | :) |
| 00:13.06 | needlz | thanks* |
| 00:13.17 | RixiM | n/p |
| 00:13.21 | RixiM | good day. |
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| 00:13.27 | bbrazil | raf256: also one or two things might break if you make /tmp noexec |
| 00:13.35 | Jinkguns | how do I tell dpkg to install dependencies along with the .deb |
| 00:13.36 | Jinkguns | :/ |
| 00:13.41 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.48 | streuner | Jinkguns: you don't |
| 00:13.50 | nanok | Jinkguns: you dont, that is apt's job |
| 00:13.55 | needlz | erm no |
| 00:13.55 | needlz | :/ |
| 00:13.55 | Jinkguns | oops. |
| 00:13.57 | Jinkguns | I meant. |
| 00:14.02 | needlz | does anyone have a vserver here? |
| 00:14.10 | Jinkguns | How do I use apt-get to install a custom .deb :/ |
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| 00:14.16 | needlz | + setup an encrypted drive/container? |
| 00:14.17 | needlz | :) |
| 00:14.21 | streuner | Jinkguns: apt resolve the depends and 'get' the packages to your system, dpkg manipulate and install them |
| 00:14.22 | nanok | Jinkguns: but dpkg will scream, and you can tell apt to resolve deps |
| 00:14.27 | thingfish | Jinkguns: you don't. Use dpkg -i |
| 00:14.34 | bbrazil | raf256: maybe selinux is waht you're looking for |
| 00:14.38 | Jinkguns | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 00:14.49 | nanok | Jinkguns: apt-get install -f will usually do it very nicely for you |
| 00:14.49 | thingfish | Jinkguns: man dpkg |
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| 00:15.00 | raf256 | bbrazil: Im trying to setup my grsecurity as we speak, thats what for I need to recompile gcc |
| 00:15.00 | SperMite | how do u delete a user in debian. |
| 00:15.02 | SperMite | ? |
| 00:15.08 | nanok | Jinkguns: see, you havent read what dpkg yelld at you, have you.. |
| 00:15.10 | Jinkguns | Did it ever occur to you that I need to install a .deb in /home/ that has dependencies I need to downlaod and install. : |
| 00:15.11 | nanok | :) |
| 00:15.12 | absolutzero | boy compiling a kernel takes a while don't it? |
| 00:15.13 | bbrazil | SperMite: userdel |
| 00:15.16 | raf256 | perhaps somone here know btw, how to enable PaX protection on given executable? |
| 00:15.45 | streuner | Jinkguns: debian without netaccess is pretty useless |
| 00:15.47 | nanok | Jinkguns: did dpkg not say the depends are... , maybe try and run apt-get -f install ? |
| 00:15.53 | absolutzero | I am working on my first Linux Distro, god I hope it works |
| 00:16.03 | sirjinx | Hi, my problem : "432:cannot open dev/console". I have googled it. People seem to have the same problem with my mobo. They asid my dev dir is empty and I should repopulate. Except it's not empty. It works when I use the kernel 2.4, but I get that error from 2.6. Is there anything I should read at? |
| 00:16.23 | Ringworm | I'm new to debian, my experience is with FreeBSD. My qestion is there a good way to install from sources instead of packages using some sort of package manager? |
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| 00:16.44 | bbrazil | Ringworm: apt-get source --build iirc |
| 00:16.54 | bbrazil | Ringworm: can't see why you'd want to do that though |
| 00:16.54 | raf256 | Ringworm: gentoo is excelent for that, but on debian use apt-get source |
| 00:16.56 | nanok | Ringworm: the debian packaging system has that feature built in, but you usually dont need that |
| 00:16.57 | Ringworm | bbrazil: thanks much :) |
| 00:17.13 | raf256 | bbrazil: perhaps as me - custom flags, well or development |
| 00:17.34 | absolutzero | cant you do that with the CVS client too? |
| 00:17.39 | bbrazil | raf256: I don't know grsecurity or selinux |
| 00:17.46 | Ringworm | nanok: I'm a developer, so prefer to build from sources |
| 00:17.52 | nanok | Ringworm: you should use debian as if it was...debian, though, not gentoo/freebsd..but ..whatever turns you on |
| 00:18.14 | streuner | Jinkguns: dpkg would complain about missings depends, just go to pdo (/msg dpkg pdo) and get the missings debs there |
| 00:18.18 | Ringworm | nanok: I just set up debian, so far it has been pretty easy |
| 00:18.29 | streuner | s/missings/missing/ |
| 00:18.35 | absolutzero | Yeah I am using my Deb box to build a floppy based-VNC client |
| 00:18.36 | nanok | Ringworm: well, yes, but in that case i should think you have a lot of building to do on your own sources, so don't need to waste time building all the system |
| 00:18.46 | Eno_ | You can build the odd thing from source but I'm not sure if it's good for building everything... |
| 00:18.47 | absolutzero | VNCLinux I guess I'll call it |
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| 00:18.57 | SirJinX | Hi, my problem : "432:cannot open dev/console". I have googled it. People seem to have the same problem with my mobo. They asid my dev dir is empty and I should repopulate. Except it's not empty. It works when I use the kernel 2.4, but I get that error from 2.6. Is there anything I should read at? |
| 00:19.13 | nanok | Ringworm: but, whatever, i'm no developer myself, maybe i have no idea what a developer brain works like :) |
| 00:19.24 | absolutzero | lol |
| 00:19.41 | Ringworm | maybe in the beginning I'll use packages, until I understand this OS better :0 |
| 00:19.41 | raf256 | I wonder.. |
| 00:19.47 | raf256 | could I just rebuild kernel in 64 mode |
| 00:19.49 | nanok | Ringworm: it tends to stay as easy and snappy, if you let it do it's job: that is "just work." ;) |
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| 00:19.57 | raf256 | and expect my 32 bit install to work? |
| 00:19.59 | raf256 | amd64 |
| 00:20.12 | Ringworm | nanok: thanks for the advice :0 |
| 00:20.31 | nanok | raf256: yes. enabling 32bit support, though. cant rememebr the exact config option |
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| 00:20.47 | fariseo | how can one setup a unix box with 3 or more NICs, where NIC.1 would have your internal LAN behind it, and the remaining 2 or more NICs would have different cable/dsl/wifi inet connections plugged into them, and could one bind squid to each of those 'outside' interfaces, so that those internal LAN boxes could choose through which squid, and therefor ISP would it send requests through? |
| 00:20.56 | nanok | Ringworm: np. wellcome to our world |
| 00:21.01 | absolutzero | how long does it usally take for a kernel to compile? 534 Bogomips |
| 00:21.03 | nanok | resistance is futile and all that |
| 00:21.04 | nanok | :) |
| 00:21.15 | absolutzero | up well |
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| 00:21.19 | raf256 | nanok: so debian will automaticly load 32 bit libraries for 32 bit binaries, and 64 bit binaries (in example self-builded) will run with 64b libs, and kernel will be in 64b mode? |
| 00:21.25 | absolutzero | there went that, five errors |
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| 00:21.40 | Ringworm | nanok: thank you, we'll see how it measures up :) |
| 00:21.49 | korozion | is it bad to have Stable and Testing in my /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 00:21.53 | stew | raf256: if you want to run both 32 and 64 bit you have to have one of the two in a chroot |
| 00:22.04 | stew | korozion: yes, you cannot safely mix stable and testing |
| 00:22.12 | raf256 | stew: I prefere to chroot 64 bit |
| 00:22.23 | korozion | stew that's what I figured, thanks |
| 00:22.28 | korozion | bbiab |
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| 00:23.38 | new2debian | thank you guys sooooooooo much. I have a display now |
| 00:23.43 | new2debian | so ummm |
| 00:23.58 | new2debian | can someone tell me where to download cool debian themes? |
| 00:24.04 | new2debian | boot splash and the such? |
| 00:24.05 | absolutzero | Trivia: How long does it take yu to find out your kernel build isn't going to work? |
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| 00:24.20 | absolutzero | Answer: almost as long as it takes to compile! |
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| 00:25.30 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 00:25.43 | nanok | raf256: well, that will be possible, and even more (libs sharing and stuff) when the multi-arch debian "architecture" will be ready (is it still on?) |
| 00:25.56 | nanok | but for now, it's chroot for you.. |
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| 00:26.02 | new2debian | can someone tell me how to mount my cd in my cdrom please? |
| 00:26.12 | Azar | I am trying to buy a new PC and I really do not know what is the CPU benchmark for Sarge as of today... would a Sempron3400+ work, or should I lower the bar? |
| 00:26.14 | nanok | new2debian: mount /cdrom |
| 00:26.21 | new2debian | thanks |
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| 00:26.41 | nanok | Azar: anything above or eq to i386 would work |
| 00:26.45 | Eulex | Azar, of course it would work |
| 00:26.56 | nanok | Azar: but you have to define $work first |
| 00:27.00 | cheal | Azar: "the CPU benchmark for Sarge"? |
| 00:27.03 | raf256 | nanok: but if I just compile the kernel in full 64 bit mode (not only selecting cpu to be amd64) will the default system boot and run in 32 bit mode? how od I create 64b chroot, and how to inform system that default system is 32 bit? |
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| 00:27.21 | SirJinX | How can I tell wheter a package is isntalled? |
| 00:27.27 | samuel | sup all |
| 00:27.30 | cisse | apt-show-versions sirjinx |
| 00:27.32 | Azar | cheal, I am afraid if I buy anyting over AMD 2800+ 32bit CPU will bork with Sarge |
| 00:27.35 | Eulex | SirJinX, apt-cache policy pkgname |
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| 00:27.46 | SirJinX | thanks |
| 00:27.47 | Eulex | Azar, why would it? |
| 00:27.52 | samuel | anyone know if kde 3.5 in experimental upgrades ok? |
| 00:27.53 | nanok | raf256: a 64bit kernel compiled with $that option i mentioned will work fine with both 32b and 64b binaryes |
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| 00:27.59 | cheal | samuel: #debian-kde |
| 00:28.02 | Azar | Eulex, because I do not know how far Sarge kernels can go |
| 00:28.06 | new2debian | mount /cdrom doesn't work for me |
| 00:28.15 | nanok | raf256: for more info about the second part, see the alioth site, i think |
| 00:28.17 | nanok | uh.. |
| 00:28.17 | new2debian | i got alot of errors about ide and scsi and such |
| 00:28.19 | samuel | cheal: thz |
| 00:28.27 | nanok | !tell raf256 about amd64 |
| 00:28.30 | cheal | Azar: I don't see how it could bork |
| 00:29.05 | Azar | ok how about SATA is that easy to customize? on a PC with SATA enabled the Sarge installer is not even read |
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| 00:29.16 | Eulex | Azar, they should. otherwise just install a kernel from testing or unstable, but that's very unlikely. it's more about the chipset than the cpu. |
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| 00:29.26 | cisse | Azar: disable pata on the mobo, load 2.6 kernel |
| 00:29.35 | Eulex | Azar, tried both the 2.4 and the 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:29.41 | Eulex | also: |
| 00:29.41 | Azar | cisse, that is how it worked indeed |
| 00:29.42 | nanok | Azar: uh.. bork? linux can run from i386 to the wackyest supercomputers/multiprocessors/whatever you can probably imagine and more :) |
| 00:29.45 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 00:29.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.12 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
| 00:29.47 | nanok | Azar: so worry not |
| 00:29.47 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 00:29.47 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
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| 00:30.10 | Azar | Eulex, on a mobo with SATA enabled, the CD installer (sarge that is) was not even recognized |
| 00:30.23 | Azar | only after disabling SATA the CD started |
| 00:30.41 | nanok | raf256: it says there about the chroot method also ;) |
| 00:30.44 | Eulex | Azar, ok, but you still haven't answered my question |
| 00:30.45 | nanok | raf256: afair |
| 00:30.47 | raf256 | nanok: thanks |
| 00:30.47 | Azar | Eulex, I am only going with "stable" kernels 2.6.8 |
| 00:30.49 | cisse | Azar: shitty sata chipset ? |
| 00:30.52 | raf256 | nanok: I will check that in this week |
| 00:30.57 | Azar | cisse yes |
| 00:31.04 | raf256 | btw, what exacly data format is to be used in Debian changelog? |
| 00:31.06 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.22 | Azar | so SATA is out of the question there, at least as long as Sarge is the stable distro |
| 00:31.27 | Eulex | Azar, then you're SOL, as the 2.6.8 doesn't seem to have support for your sata chipset |
| 00:31.40 | Azar | Eulex, right |
| 00:31.44 | Eulex | Azar, tried with the 2.4.27 kernel? |
| 00:32.00 | Azar | Eulex, I got a brand new PC with no OS installed |
| 00:32.04 | nanok | Azar: it can be aranged. at worse, you could try a daily build of the installer, with newer kernel.. |
| 00:32.12 | Azar | all I did I inserted the Sarge installer CD and..... nothing |
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| 00:32.22 | Azar | so I had to go and disable SATA first from the BIOS |
| 00:32.29 | Azar | only then I could see the CD |
| 00:32.41 | nanok | Azar: or you could just use debootstrap, it is almost as easy, if not easyer than the installer :) |
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| 00:33.01 | Azar | nanok what is a debootstrap? |
| 00:33.02 | nanok | Azar: that spells a shitty bios, i think |
| 00:33.12 | stew | !debootstrap |
| 00:33.13 | dpkg | hmm... debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 00:33.23 | nanok | Azar: if you dont know what that is, perhaps it is not time to try it yet |
| 00:33.28 | Eulex | Azar, ok. you've got two options: (1) keep sata disabled (2) get a newer kernel that supports your chipset (prolly 2.6.12 or 2.6.14) and activate sata |
| 00:33.29 | nanok | ;) |
| 00:33.41 | Eulex | nanok, yep, iyhtays |
| 00:33.44 | Azar | Eulex, that is a good idea |
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| 00:34.46 | Azar | anyways, thing is at first install, hda was read as hde on the 2.4.27 kernel, (virtual device) then when I tried to upgrade to 2.6.8 it totally kernel panic |
| 00:34.58 | Azar | so I had to disable SATA , reinstall, and kernel upgrade went ok |
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| 00:35.45 | Azar | now I am buying another new PC and I want to shop carefully: no sata, and supported CPU |
| 00:35.57 | nanok | Azar: yes, the deprecated sata driver in early 2.4.x maps sata drives as hde,g, etc, the libata one in 2.6 maps them as sd? |
| 00:36.17 | stew | Azar: aupported cpu is easy, just get a 486 or newer |
| 00:36.31 | nanok | Azar: i disagree. sata is very good. and there is no such thing as "supported" cpu, what do you mean by that? |
| 00:36.33 | Azar | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/configdetails.asp?Base=1273376&Edit=Y&LineGroup=2 this is what I want to buy so I try to configure |
| 00:36.39 | nanok | stew: :) |
| 00:36.50 | Azar | :) |
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| 00:37.47 | nanok | actually, to be honest, sata is best put to it's use on a (new) linux kernel (IMHO) |
| 00:37.56 | Dewi | sata works fine for me |
| 00:38.02 | Dewi | in testing's kernel anyway |
| 00:38.21 | Dewi | (think it's a silicon image 3112 chipset or something) |
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| 00:38.46 | Azar | nanok and there is my dilemma: I usually start with the Woody CD as the classic installation is softer on me, then I continue with sources for Sarge, then I upgrade to a 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 00:39.20 | nanok | Azar: well, switch to sarge, for sata. it is much easyer. |
| 00:39.43 | SirJinX | How can I compile a kernel without mkinitrd? Or which kernel still supprots it? |
| 00:39.44 | nanok | Azar: you could also try hilux :), but i should think sarge would be the natural choice |
| 00:39.51 | Azar | nanok, lamentably I am not able to figure out the Sarge installer: I don't know how to partition with that installer |
| 00:39.57 | nanok | Azar: and type linux26 on the boot prompt |
| 00:40.17 | Azar | I am not able to partition with Sarge installer |
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| 00:40.30 | Azar | the menu is too hard to understand and navigate for me |
| 00:40.37 | Azar | the classic installer is much easier |
| 00:40.40 | nanok | Azar: oh, it is so easy, once you get the hang of it. you can even setup sw raid. (allthough i can see what you mean., i still like fdisk better :) |
| 00:40.42 | Eulex | Azar, you do only need to get a newer kernel from testing or unstable. you don't need to get anything else from testing or unstable. |
| 00:40.47 | Jeeves_moss | All: Good ening all. |
| 00:40.55 | SirJinX | How can I compile a kernel without mkinitrd? Or which kernel still supprots it? |
| 00:41.24 | nanok | Eulex: the problem is when trying to install on very new hw. woody's kernel might not do very well. especially sata |
| 00:41.27 | Azar | Eulex I stumble on configuring aptitude's dependencies on testing/unstable |
| 00:41.29 | Jeeves_moss | All: Any one here a Tape Backup expert? |
| 00:42.07 | ke6isf | !anyone |
| 00:42.07 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:42.14 | Azar | Yes indeed, 2.4.x kernel on woody will do the install , yet will do a "workaround" which will not permit a clean kernel upgrade |
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| 00:42.50 | Eulex | nanok, the 2.4 kernels work very well on his sata hds. |
| 00:42.54 | ke6isf | Jeeves_moss: Protocol from last night hasn't change. Just ask your real question, please. |
| 00:42.59 | nanok | Azar: sarge is _here_ . get to grips with it, give it a chance, and i'm sure you'l like eachother. shortly WAKE UP ;), stop making it more complicated for yourself ;) |
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| 00:43.29 | Jeeves_moss | ke6isf: Wow, some one avtuly remberes me, I feel special now. |
| 00:43.34 | Azar | I guess an IDE HD would not be that bad afterall, I have 3 Debian boxes with IDE Hard Drives and they seem to live forever |
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| 00:43.45 | Eulex | Azar, you don't need to have anything else to do with testing or unstable other than downloading a .deb of a kernel from testing or unstable from debian.org. you do not have to run testing or unstable in any way. |
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| 00:43.54 | nanok | Eulex: have you tried 2.4.18 on sata? i have, two years ago i think.. |
| 00:44.27 | Jeeves_moss | Dpkg: The only reason why I asked is because I don't even know where to start. Thats why I'm asking for help. |
| 00:44.27 | Eulex | nanok, I haven't, but Azar said it worked very well in his case. may be slow though. |
| 00:44.27 | dpkg | Jeeves_moss: okay |
| 00:44.44 | Eulex | dpkg, forget The only reason why I asked |
| 00:44.45 | dpkg | Eulex: i didn't have anything called 'the only reason why i asked' to forget |
| 00:44.47 | nanok | Eulex: testing is etch, stable is sarge, not woody .. at least last time i checked ;) |
| 00:44.56 | Jeeves_moss | dpkg: Should I take it as what I'm looking for is going to be VERY complacated? |
| 00:44.57 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Jeeves_moss |
| 00:44.58 | ke6isf | ARGH! Stupid fscking Compaq boxes.... |
| 00:45.00 | Eulex | Jeeves_moss, dpkg is a bot |
| 00:45.19 | Azar | nanok, no, it did not worked well, I mean for a Woody installation might, but the HD will be seen as a "virtual" and will be named "hde" which seemed strange to me |
| 00:45.29 | ke6isf | !forget the only reason why I asked |
| 00:45.30 | dpkg | ke6isf: i didn't have anything called 'the only reason why i asked' to forget |
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| 00:45.34 | ke6isf | !forget The only reason why I asked |
| 00:45.34 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'the only reason why i asked' to forget, ke6isf |
| 00:45.34 | Jeeves_moss | ke6isf: Actuly, a hammer and a flashlight worked on this box. It turned out that the RAID card has shook loose during shipping. |
| 00:45.35 | Azar | an upgrade to a 2.6.8 kernel after that will crash |
| 00:45.55 | Eulex | nanok, I know. he was installing by first installing woody and then upgrading to sarge. |
| 00:46.08 | ke6isf | Jeeves_moss: Sometimes the simple stuff works. =^^= |
| 00:46.14 | Eulex | Azar, then try a 2.6.12 or 2.6.14 kernel. just download the .deb from debian.org. |
| 00:46.25 | Azar | Woody goes with anything but when trying to go up with upgrades, then things start coughing |
| 00:46.25 | nanok | Eulex: yes. and that is no longer sane, unless you have a very very good reason to do it.. |
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| 00:46.39 | Jeeves_moss | ke6isf: yea, the ribbing I got from the Fiance about spending the $$ on it insted of on jewlery for her was getting to me. |
| 00:46.53 | nanok | Eulex: he should get used to _not_ doing it anyore |
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| 00:46.53 | Azar | Eulex, then compile on my own? I never tried that ... |
| 00:47.03 | Eulex | nanok, I wasn't the one doing it. if he's comfortable doing it, then let him do it. |
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| 00:47.34 | Eulex | Azar, *no*. they come as kernel images. you just have to download the .deb, do dpkg -i filename, and reboot |
| 00:47.40 | Jeeves_moss | dpkg: where should I ask (channel) about the tape questions? |
| 00:47.40 | Azar | I have tried to install with Sarge installer 3 times: I have gave up at partition point. |
| 00:47.42 | ke6isf | Is there a program in sarge to manually configure the network, or am I going to have to poke around in /etc/interfaces? |
| 00:47.49 | Azar | I am not able to partition with SArge installer |
| 00:47.50 | nanok | Eulex: yeah, np with that. ..though he doesnt seem to confortable.. oh well, nevermind, whatever makes him happy, after all |
| 00:48.11 | Jeeves_moss | ke6isf: poking around in the /etc/network/interfaces file is EASY to do |
| 00:48.39 | nanok | Azar: oh come on. just have a smoke, cool off, you'll see the light (it did piss me off at first to, but it's not all that bad overall) |
| 00:48.41 | Azar | there is another file besides /interface, the one that specifies the DNS numbers I forgot where is located |
| 00:48.42 | Eulex | Azar, then install woody, dist-upgrade to sarge, and get a 2.6.12 or 2.6.14 kernel from debian.org |
| 00:48.43 | ke6isf | Jeeves_moss: Wonderful, but this is an old Compaq with some ISA NIC. |
| 00:48.54 | nanok | Azar: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 00:49.02 | buu | Ok. I just did an apt upgrade. I'm pretty sure I always selected "use xfree86" for all the options, but now when I try to launch X I get "error, /etc/X11/X is not executable" |
| 00:49.16 | Jeeves_moss | ke6isf: yea, its the "hosts" file |
| 00:49.17 | Azar | yes nanok, that one >>>ke6isf |
| 00:49.41 | Azar | buu, are you using Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 00:49.41 | Esin | Anyone get ATi acceleration working on testing amd64? |
| 00:49.54 | Jeeves_moss | ke6isf: ComCrack what? a server or desktop? |
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| 00:50.13 | buu | Azar: Debian. |
| 00:50.29 | Azar | buu, you should have installed X-server first |
| 00:50.37 | buu | Azar: Er, it was already installed |
| 00:50.43 | buu | Azar: X worked fine before I rebooted =[ |
| 00:50.43 | Eulex | buu, upgrade from what to what? |
| 00:50.49 | ke6isf | Azar: Well, it's a little beyond that - the NIC is apparently invisible. =O.o= |
| 00:50.51 | buu | Eulex: apt-get upgrade |
| 00:50.54 | Azar | buu, X will not work in root |
| 00:50.55 | FourierSeries | ComCrack. Godda remember that one. ( I'm on ComCast ... ) |
| 00:51.00 | buu | Azar: What is your point? |
| 00:51.12 | Azar | buu X is only working in user account |
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| 00:51.20 | buu | Azar: No, X is not working in a user account. |
| 00:51.20 | SirJinX | What is the "mkinitrd" command used for? |
| 00:51.28 | Jeeves_moss | ke6isf: if its a server, you'll have to run the SmartStart CD to "lock" resources for that card so the OS can see it. |
| 00:51.36 | nanok | ke6isf: ifconfig -a does not see it? |
| 00:51.43 | Azar | buu so you did an "apt upgrade" ? |
| 00:51.45 | Eulex | buu, from what... to what? stable to testing? |
| 00:51.57 | buu | Azar: apt-get upgrade, yes |
| 00:52.06 | Eulex | buu, ignore Azar |
| 00:52.17 | Azar | buu yes what Eulex said |
| 00:52.50 | buu | Eulex: Er, no. I'm already on unstable I believe |
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| 00:53.42 | buu | Eulex: /etc/debian_version says "testing/unstable" |
| 00:53.43 | nanok | buu: it seems ou have just fallen off, to put it this way :/ |
| 00:53.53 | buu | nanok: Fallen off what? |
| 00:53.56 | [RS]H4ppy | im trying to open my page it gives me a file to download instead (check out this link http://80.203.51.144 ) why, i do have an index.php file in that folder.. |
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| 00:54.08 | SirJinX | What is the "mkinitrd" command used for? |
| 00:54.15 | nanok | buu: off your unstable equilibrium..unstable tends to be..unstable |
| 00:54.20 | nanok | nvmnd |
| 00:54.23 | buu | nanok: =/ |
| 00:54.27 | Eulex | buu, what does dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 say? |
| 00:54.27 | Jeeves_moss | all: ok guys I'm outta here. I've got shit to do |
| 00:54.40 | doleyb | SirJinX: it is used for a kernel recompile, to store your filesystem modules in an accessible place. If you don't compile kernels, don't even think about mkinitrd. |
| 00:54.42 | noiesmo | why is when u think something going to work the first time it doesnt? all i want to do is add a grub splahimage and follow the instructions and no work dannabbit |
| 00:54.46 | nanok | SirJinX: usually, if you dont know you dont need it, or man mkinitrd |
| 00:54.51 | Eulex | buu, also, I don't think you're supposed to run xfree86 on unstable. |
| 00:55.07 | Esin | I'm curious as to if there has ever been an ati card to work under the amd 64 architecture |
| 00:55.08 | joseph | the nvidia one-liner needs to be amended with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (instead of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86). |
| 00:55.16 | raf256 | while installing apt-get install libc6-dev-amd64 autoconf2.13 expect-tcl8.3 gnat-3.4 gsfonts-x11 (needed to build gcc-3.4-3.4.5) causes amd64-libs to be removed? |
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| 00:55.35 | Eulex | buu, you could also check if the packages for xfree86 really are there and that the files really are there. |
| 00:55.42 | raf256 | even if amd64-libs is removed from main system, I still can install it to my run-amd64binaries-here chroot? |
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| 00:56.01 | SirJinX | in that case, does any of the 2.6 kernels support devfs? |
| 00:56.14 | nanok | raf256: yor chroot will be more or less independent, like a separate debian install |
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| 00:56.35 | doleyb | SirJinX: in 2.6 devfs is really replaced with udev, which is smaller + better |
| 00:56.46 | nanok | SirJinX: i think all do. or do you mean the debian packaged ones?.. |
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| 00:56.52 | raf256 | nanok: how to prepate a chroot to run debian arch amd64 in it? I will run thoes 64bit apps there |
| 00:56.58 | nanok | ah, doleyb indeed, silly me |
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| 00:57.13 | Eyaw_Nayr | I have a box with a net connection and two network cards, and I want to connect another computer (both debian) to the network through a crossover cable betweent the two. How do I do that in debian? |
| 00:57.17 | nanok | raf256: is it not in that howto? i seem to recall it was .. |
| 00:57.22 | nanok | raf256: lemme check |
| 00:57.24 | raf256 | doleyb: so finally one should on 2.6.14 use udev, hotplug, devfs or what? |
| 00:57.44 | SirJinX | Well, its' because I've tried to get my k source for 2.6.8, but i get an error and it's related o the devfs. I havn't figured out how to fix it yet |
| 00:57.47 | buu | Eulex: I removed xserver-common and installed xorg explicitly, seems to work now. |
| 00:57.57 | Eulex | buu, ok. |
| 00:58.18 | nanok | SirJinX: that is very vague |
| 00:58.29 | doleyb | raf256: well I think devfs is really out of the picture for 2614 (unless crazy patch), but either udev or MAKEDEV is ok. |
| 00:58.39 | joseph | The /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner needs to be amended with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (instead of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86). |
| 00:58.49 | raf256 | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://192.168.44.20 testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/192.168.44.20:9999_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 00:59.01 | raf256 | ^-- how do I tell apt-proxy to serve me sources as well? |
| 00:59.29 | SirJinX | doleyb: I have tried MAKEDEV, does it matter wheter I use it while being in a kernel 2.4.x? |
| 00:59.29 | Eulex | joseph, depends on if you're running xorg or xfree86. |
| 00:59.35 | doleyb | josep: well, the people who need help configuring X shouldn't be using sid yet. If you don't know that xfree became xorg, you're not ready for sid. |
| 00:59.49 | joseph | Eulex: yes but there is no mention of this in the one-liner |
| 00:59.57 | Eulex | doleyb, xorg is in testing |
| 01:00.19 | Eulex | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:00.19 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:00.40 | thc | dpkg: nvidia one-liner is <reply> (for testing/unstable, use xserver-xorg) |
| 01:00.40 | dpkg | ...but nvidia one-liner is already something else... |
| 01:00.47 | thc | !! |
| 01:00.48 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:00.55 | Eulex | dpkg, no, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:00.55 | dpkg | Eulex: okay |
| 01:00.55 | Esin | lol |
| 01:01.00 | thc | there ya go |
| 01:01.08 | thc | change nvidia one liner also |
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| 01:01.13 | Eulex | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:01.13 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:01.19 | ke6isf | During partitioning, if I manually edit the partition table, I have an option for "Typical usage". I understand what these mean, but what kind of formatting does the "Standard" option lay down? Note I am formatting for an EXT3 fs. |
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| 01:01.22 | Eulex | !nvidia one liner |
| 01:01.23 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:01.38 | Esin | dpkg -i kernel-6.8 |
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| 01:01.44 | Esin | Nice |
| 01:01.47 | Eulex | seems to be linked in some way |
| 01:02.13 | SirJinX | Does it matter wheter I use MAKEDEV while being in a kernel 2.4.x when I'm trying to fix it for a kernel 2.6? |
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| 01:02.38 | Esin | spkg -i dpkg |
| 01:02.47 | Esin | dpkg -i dpkg |
| 01:02.48 | thc | how do you switch irssi windows in an xterm again? |
| 01:03.00 | joseph | Alt + 1 |
| 01:03.03 | joseph | Alt + 2 |
| 01:03.05 | joseph | I think |
| 01:03.12 | thc | that doesn't work in xterm |
| 01:03.16 | Lamperi | ctrl+n ? |
| 01:03.29 | ApTek | Esc + n? |
| 01:03.32 | Eulex | joseph, umh, that's how you switch tty |
| 01:03.32 | nanok | thc: alt+left/right |
| 01:03.33 | Esin | dpkg -i pain |
| 01:03.40 | Eulex | lol |
| 01:03.41 | Esin | lmao |
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| 01:04.12 | nanok | Esin: getting rid of the pain in the process.. ? |
| 01:04.16 | nanok | Esin: smart. |
| 01:04.30 | tdyce | wireless connection is very slow, slower than windows and slower than it use to be in debian 3.1. any Ideas on troubleshooting slow connection in 3.1 |
| 01:04.34 | thc | ctrl+n works, is there a way to switch to a specific window without scrolling through all windows? |
| 01:04.39 | ke6isf | Esin: Might want to do that in #debian-bots if you want to play with the bot. |
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| 01:04.45 | karrot-x | so i'm on unstable right now |
| 01:04.46 | joseph | Eulex: I thought tty switch was Ctrl + Alt + F1, Ctrl + Alt + F2, etc...But what do I know I'm certainly NO expert. |
| 01:04.52 | karrot-x | from the old days when sarge was unstable |
| 01:04.55 | karrot-x | how do i fix my box? |
| 01:04.56 | karrot-x | heh |
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| 01:05.01 | karrot-x | i can't install any updates |
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| 01:05.42 | brian_ | anyone know of a good guide for configureing my soundcard in debian |
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| 01:05.51 | thc | brian_: what kernel |
| 01:05.52 | Esin | alsaconf |
| 01:05.53 | Eulex | joseph, well, if you're in X, you need to do ctrl-alt-f1 etc to switch to a tty. then when you're in a tty already, you just need to do alt-f1 etc to switch to another |
| 01:05.53 | brian_ | I can' seem to find a new one thats up to date |
| 01:05.59 | brian_ | 2.6.8 |
| 01:06.01 | thc | !alsa26 |
| 01:06.01 | dpkg | hmm... alsa26 is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss && alsaconf && alsamixer |
| 01:06.13 | thc | that's the only guide you need |
| 01:06.20 | da9000 | hi, does anyone know what this kernel message is all about, or how to get rid of it: "kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2" |
| 01:06.23 | Eulex | thc, yes, probably |
| 01:06.28 | metaperl | hey guys, I am having a problem. From a Linksys router, I am getting an ethernet signal, but I do not know how to configure my system so that I can get connected to the internet: here is a transcript of my configuration and attempt to connect: http://rafb.net/paste/results/3sPHAg65.html |
| 01:06.28 | noiesmo | just trying to add a splashimage to gnu grub 0.95 on my debian sys but when i reboot the grub menu doesnt load the system still boots the image conforms to spec little help plse |
| 01:06.32 | brian_ | I'll try that thanks |
| 01:06.49 | buu | Hrm. This is weird. I have dual monitors going, when I startx they both come up, but the right one has a higher resolution. |
| 01:06.52 | Guerin | if only it were that simple |
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| 01:07.05 | thc | !kingsleysmite Guerin |
| 01:07.05 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer Guerin: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.117024454093677! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 01:07.19 | buu | They both have the same resolutions defined in xorg.conf and it worked fine under xfree.. |
| 01:07.47 | Eulex | buu, check the log. |
| 01:07.48 | JackInTheBox | hello there can i ask something, what is the command to configure completely the hardware setup of debian? i think it starts with the dpkg or something |
| 01:08.00 | thc | JackInTheBox: which hardware? |
| 01:08.08 | Eulex | JackInTheBox, umh, depends on what hardware you mean |
| 01:08.08 | Guerin | thc: but I already reported for termination last week! |
| 01:08.12 | gb | !ask to ask |
| 01:08.12 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 01:08.15 | madradrone | anyone know why setting up a wireless interface as dhcp in network/interfaces - dhcp fails, but when i use kwifimanager and dhclient manually dhcp obtains a lease? |
| 01:08.17 | JackInTheBox | all of it because im changing unit |
| 01:08.24 | thc | Guerin: sweet, can i have your job? |
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| 01:08.37 | JackInTheBox | but i dont want to reinstall my debian |
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| 01:08.42 | nanok | JackInTheBox: usualy..it will just work |
| 01:08.45 | mike_ | has anyone here gotten a linksys 802.11b WPC11 pcmcia card with the realtek chipset to work on debian? |
| 01:08.47 | thc | JackInTheBox: there is no one singole dpkg command to configure _all_ of your hardware. |
| 01:08.54 | thc | s/singole/single/g |
| 01:09.01 | nanok | JackInTheBox: what version of debian/kernel |
| 01:09.10 | Esin | If I have a dual head card(laptop) should lspci display two cards? It does on my desktop. |
| 01:09.13 | JackInTheBox | 2.6 K& |
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| 01:09.17 | Guerin | thc: um ... sure. I spose. How're you getting to Korea? |
| 01:09.20 | ke6isf | JackInTheBox: It would likely be easier to create a fresh install in the new unit, copy your ~'s and etc dir over, install all packages from the network, and go from there. |
| 01:09.23 | JackInTheBox | 2.6 k7 |
| 01:09.27 | kspath | I want to be terminated. Then the pain would be over. |
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| 01:09.30 | hammerabi | karrot-x: are you forgetting to show us the error that mentions loop-break? |
| 01:09.30 | thc | Guerin: a plane probably, boats scare me |
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| 01:09.49 | Guerin | well |
| 01:09.50 | Eulex | JackInTheBox, you should just be able to pop in the new hardware and boot with the old hdd. |
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| 01:10.09 | Guerin | a boat for the amount of time it'd take to get to korea would scare me too |
| 01:10.12 | JackInTheBox | even though im changing box? |
| 01:10.18 | karrot-x | hammerabi: no, there's multiple errors |
| 01:10.24 | JackInTheBox | it will automatically detect all? |
| 01:10.24 | Eulex | JackInTheBox, as most hardware is autodetected at start-up |
| 01:10.29 | Guerin | JackInTheBox: if you're using a debian kernel it should be fine |
| 01:10.35 | thc | !thingfish |
| 01:10.36 | dpkg | [thingfish] a thai-whore, according to abrotman |
| 01:10.36 | karrot-x | hammerabi: i want to move from unstable (woody) to stable sarge |
| 01:10.38 | Guerin | if you're not, all bets are off. |
| 01:10.39 | mike_ | if lspci shows my wireless nic how can i get it to work? |
| 01:10.40 | zuru | i am in a bind. installed 'splashy' but can't work because of missing 'directfb'. When I look up Debian packages, there is a libdirectfb-0.9-22 in 'unstable' and a libdirectfb-extra in 'testing'. The latter is supposed to be "extra image/video providers" for the former. Install either one or both? |
| 01:10.44 | buu | Eulex: Well, from the output of running X it says something about (1280x1024,Monitor1) mode clock 100000 exceeds DDC maximum of 140mhz |
| 01:10.44 | JackInTheBox | yes im using sarge |
| 01:10.47 | Esin | Have your god part the water for you then drive your pimp toyota to korea |
| 01:10.51 | ke6isf | karrot-x: woody is not unstable, woody is *old* stable. |
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| 01:11.02 | thingfish | hehe thai whore? as in thai food? |
| 01:11.09 | stew | JackInTheBox: are you switching to a different cpu? |
| 01:11.09 | karrot-x | ke6isf: ya, all the packages are unstable from woodys install |
| 01:11.10 | ke6isf | karrot-x: woody, in fact, has not been stable since June. |
| 01:11.22 | thc | thingfish: no, as in you are a thai prostitute |
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| 01:11.26 | ke6isf | karrot-x: When did you istall this system? =O.o= |
| 01:11.29 | thingfish | the thai and the vietnamese pretty much do have cooking down. |
| 01:11.32 | Guerin | Esin: I don't known if 50 Cent is that cool a god yet |
| 01:11.36 | thingfish | oh, that. well, maybe. :) |
| 01:11.36 | karrot-x | ke6isf: 3 years ago |
| 01:11.46 | Eulex | karrot-x, umh... woody != unstable |
| 01:11.48 | ke6isf | karrot-x: when Sarge was testing. |
| 01:11.55 | karrot-x | ke6isf: yup |
| 01:11.56 | ke6isf | !debian names |
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| 01:12.02 | SirJinX | so, just to be sure, 2.6.x kernels no longer support devfs? |
| 01:12.03 | ke6isf | !sarge |
| 01:12.03 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 01:12.06 | karrot-x | Eulex: i know, i meant (install of woody -> unstable) |
| 01:12.07 | hammerabi | karrot-x: show us the errors in #flood |
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| 01:12.11 | Esin | Recruit more martyrs for your god heh you can even start a war |
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| 01:12.16 | hammerabi | SirJinX: the one in sarge does |
| 01:12.27 | Guerin | he might be able to ... like, turn cigarette butts into bullets or something, but I reckon parting the NoPac is still a bit beyond him |
| 01:12.31 | Eulex | karrot-x, ah, ok. you might have trouble upgrading to sarge|etch|unstable then |
| 01:12.35 | hammerabi | SirJinX: I think 2.6.14 might have removed it entirely |
| 01:12.50 | karrot-x | Eulex: i'd really like the ability to install things again |
| 01:12.58 | noiesmo | how do i know if my grub has splashimage suppor |
| 01:13.04 | Eulex | karrot-x, what error do you get? pastebin it |
| 01:13.21 | gb | Eulex: nah just takes a while too download the packages :) |
| 01:13.27 | SirJinX | hammerabi: well, the kernel image or the kernel source? |
| 01:13.27 | Guerin | noiesmo: if you want a splash image, tape a photo to your screen |
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| 01:13.56 | Esin | Moses the hippy did it |
| 01:13.57 | karrot-x | http://pastebin.com/487987 |
| 01:14.07 | Eulex | gb, he's probaby trying to install stuff from current unstable from a 3 year old unstable. he *will* get problems doing that. |
| 01:14.17 | hammerabi | SirJinX: both |
| 01:14.22 | brian_ | bit confused went through the conf wizzard and it says my card is configured but I have no sound |
| 01:14.27 | karrot-x | Eulex: yup, i'd like to go to stable sarge |
| 01:14.29 | hammerabi | SirJinX: afaik the sarge (and etch) installers still require devfs |
| 01:14.31 | abrotman | mixer levels up ? |
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| 01:14.32 | karrot-x | because i'm sure the packages are very similar |
| 01:14.37 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 01:14.41 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 01:14.41 | metaperl | hey guys, I am having a problem. From a Linksys router, I am getting an ethernet signal, but I do not know how to configure my system so that I can get connected to the internet: here is a transcript of my configuration and attempt to connect: http://rafb.net/paste/results/3sPHAg65.html |
| 01:14.42 | thc | brian_: check levels, dpkg told you to run alsamixer as the final step |
| 01:14.51 | Eulex | karrot-x, change your sources.list to point to stable instead of unstable. |
| 01:14.52 | gb | Eulex: I did it three years ago & still use unstable |
| 01:14.56 | SirJinX | hammerabi: what do you mean by afaik? |
| 01:14.59 | emp_ | how do I add another default gateway to the route, but with a lower priority than the gateway added previously? |
| 01:15.00 | karrot-x | Eulex: will it be that easy? |
| 01:15.07 | hammerabi | SirJinX: as far as I know |
| 01:15.17 | hammerabi | emp_: that's possible at all? |
| 01:15.17 | doleyb | emp_: what do you mean by "lower priority"? |
| 01:15.19 | abrotman | duh .. forgot the - |
| 01:15.24 | kspath | metaperl: you should work on fixing that |
| 01:15.24 | gb | doesn't feel like three years ago when I did it though |
| 01:15.30 | Eulex | karrot-x, depends. what does dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 say? |
| 01:15.31 | abrotman | emp_: you can have only ONE default gateway |
| 01:15.35 | da9000 | hi, does anyone know what this kernel message is all about, or how to get rid of it: "kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2" |
| 01:15.36 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 01:15.36 | dpkg | alsa-checklist is probably 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound running? 5) OSS modules loaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 01:15.42 | stew | emp_: its far from simple, start reading docs at lartc.org pertaining to "multihomed" |
| 01:15.47 | emp_ | doleyb, so it still uses the previous gateway unless it fails over |
| 01:15.54 | brian_ | there all up |
| 01:16.00 | hammerabi | da9000: do you have any scsi devices? |
| 01:16.05 | thc | brian_: that doesn't mean they aren't muted |
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| 01:16.09 | karrot-x | Eulex: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 01:16.14 | Eulex | gb, sure but he hasn't upgraded in 3 years (at least that's how I understood him) |
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| 01:16.17 | da9000 | shit |
| 01:16.22 | thc | feces |
| 01:16.22 | Esin | metaperl: I have a linksys router too, all I can say is that it should run as a dhcp server, there are also options to block certain ethernet sockets at certain times so i'd just reset if not so already |
| 01:16.22 | da9000 | repeat please? |
| 01:16.24 | hammerabi | karrot-x: can you show us the error in #flood? |
| 01:16.25 | Guerin | !alsa-checklist =~ s/loaded/unloaded/ |
| 01:16.25 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 01:16.26 | Eulex | karrot-x, yes, it will probably be easy to upgrade to sarge. |
| 01:16.32 | karrot-x | ok i'll try it |
| 01:16.38 | karrot-x | hope i don't screw up my server |
| 01:16.40 | hammerabi | metaperl: are you missing a line there? |
| 01:16.46 | brian_ | if I open kmixer or anyt other mixer it don't show a card at all |
| 01:16.47 | Guerin | !alsa-checklist =~ s/running/stopped/ |
| 01:16.47 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 01:16.48 | abrotman | Guerin: it was to see if they had those loaded .. as well as normal alsa drivers |
| 01:16.49 | doleyb | emp_: that's not how IP networking works, there is not a concept of "detected failure along a route". You could run a program to regularly ping routers, and adjust route table according to what's up... |
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| 01:17.17 | Guerin | abrotman: all the others are how it SHOULD be |
| 01:17.45 | abrotman | i suppose |
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| 01:18.14 | brian_ | don't think they are kde giveins me an error about my sound when I log on |
| 01:18.15 | stew | doleyb: what he wants is certainly valid, and possible |
| 01:18.35 | brian_ | what do you mean by !alsa-checklist =~ s/loaded/unloaded/ |
| 01:18.49 | brian_ | is that a typeo? |
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| 01:18.58 | metaperl | hey guys, I am having a problem. From a Linksys router, I am getting an ethernet signal, but I do not know how to configure my system so that I can get connected to the internet: here is a transcript of my configuration and attempt to connect: http://rafb.net/paste/results/3sPHAg65.html |
| 01:19.02 | raf256 | I have problems installing dependiences for building gcc 3.4 |
| 01:19.04 | raf256 | http://pastebin.com/487994 |
| 01:19.16 | hammerabi | metaperl: two people asked you follow up questions... |
| 01:19.26 | stew | raf256: why don't you just use steve kemp's packages |
| 01:19.27 | Esin | Good nite #debian |
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| 01:19.34 | metaperl | hammerabi: I did not see them |
| 01:19.38 | thc | brian_: he was fixing dpkg's factoid, ignore that |
| 01:19.42 | stew | raf256: wait, did you run apt-get build-dep gcc? |
| 01:19.47 | brian_ | oh lol |
| 01:19.49 | raf256 | no |
| 01:19.49 | karrot-x | i really hope this doesnt break my system |
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| 01:19.57 | karrot-x | Eulex: i think the last package i got was in july of 04 |
| 01:20.19 | metaperl | hammerabi: missing a line? |
| 01:20.22 | brian_ | I have a intel realtek sound card alsa config found it and opend alsa mix and I turned my thigns up but kde still gives me an error |
| 01:20.30 | raf256 | stew: hops I broke my dpkg by partially installing the libsamd64... fixing with apt-get install -f |
| 01:20.43 | hammerabi | metaperl: is that really the enire output of dhclient? |
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| 01:20.50 | zuru | i am in a bind. installed 'splashy' but can't work because of missing 'directfb'. When I look up Debian packages, there is a libdirectfb-0.9-22 in 'unstable' and a libdirectfb-extra in 'testing'. The latter is supposed to be "extra image/video providers" for the former. Install either one or both? |
| 01:20.55 | Eulex | karrot-x, then I think you should be fine. though there might be some package somewhere that breaks and which you'll have to do some manual stuff with to get upgraded. |
| 01:21.04 | metaperl | hammerabi: it's all the relevant output.. |
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| 01:21.12 | karrot-x | ok |
| 01:21.20 | Jowi | metaperl: check with ifconfig if eth0 has got a valid ip address (should be 192.168.1.something for you since your router *seems* to be 192.168.1.1) if it has, try to ping the router (ping -c 5 192.168.1.1). |
| 01:21.22 | Eulex | raf256, umh... building gcc 3.4? why?? |
| 01:21.32 | raf256 | Eulex: I need --stack-protector option |
| 01:21.32 | abrotman | metaperl: do you have two dhcp servers? |
| 01:21.37 | karrot-x | this is a production server (for myself) so if it goes down; that's going to be bad news bears |
| 01:21.40 | raf256 | it is by default disabled in gcc 3.4 on debial |
| 01:21.54 | Eulex | raf256, hmm, ok |
| 01:21.57 | metaperl | abrotman: no... not that I know of |
| 01:22.00 | raf256 | stew: you say there are read-to-download packages with gcc + stack protection? |
| 01:22.02 | Eulex | karrot-x, well, I can't guarantee anything |
| 01:22.13 | karrot-x | Eulex: ya i know, i'm just glad someone else suggested it |
| 01:22.18 | karrot-x | i was going to try the same thing |
| 01:22.20 | abrotman | metaperl: you're getting two offers from what i can see |
| 01:22.24 | karrot-x | but thought "hey that's way to easy" |
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| 01:22.29 | foampeace | hello |
| 01:22.46 | Guerin | zuru: if you want a splash image, tape a photo to your screen |
| 01:22.48 | foampeace | what do i use to burn a .iso? |
| 01:22.53 | raf256 | something seems to be wrong, even after installing build-dep it doesnt build! |
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| 01:23.01 | karrot-x | foampeace: cdrecord |
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| 01:23.06 | Eulex | raf256, installed build-essential? |
| 01:23.09 | doleyb | foampeace: k3b is easy. Or just cat file.iso|cdrecord dev=0,0,0 speed=4 - |
| 01:23.11 | kristiank | help sound for sarge: "ogg123 file.ogg" => libao - OSS cannot set rate to 44100. Can you help , |
| 01:23.13 | raf256 | Eulex: yes |
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| 01:23.46 | Eulex | kristiank, what sound card is that? |
| 01:24.01 | raf256 | Eulex: stew: http://pastebin.com/488002 |
| 01:24.05 | foampeace | is cdrecord safe? |
| 01:24.11 | abrotman | to do what ? |
| 01:24.20 | metaperl | abrotman: two offers. well, the setup is the lady next door has a windows machine and her room has DSL in the phone line, which we connected to the router. Now, both of us are feeding off the routers ports... she came up with no probs... I dont know why I'm getting two offers.. I commented out eth2 (the wireless card) |
| 01:24.30 | foampeace | i never used cdrecord |
| 01:24.35 | abrotman | raf256: are you using pure64 ? |
| 01:24.46 | metaperl | I wonder if my linksys router is blocking me geting on... |
| 01:24.48 | raf256 | abrotman: no, Im on normal debian 32 |
| 01:24.55 | zuru | Guerin: i noticed that line earlier on. Seriously, do u use splashy or is it safe to install, seems to be in experimental stage. |
| 01:24.57 | abrotman | wtf is libc6-dev-amd64 that ? |
| 01:25.02 | raf256 | I only set kernel to use extra registers in amd64 but thats irrevelant probably |
| 01:25.04 | kristiank | Eulex: from mother board MATSONIC -- MS9377C Rev 1.0 |
| 01:25.13 | foampeace | what should i know about cdrecord? |
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| 01:25.17 | abrotman | metaperl: try a static IP |
| 01:25.21 | raf256 | abrotman: I installed it thinking it ight be handy, I can install it though, should I? but is _that_ interfearing? |
| 01:25.21 | abrotman | foampeace: it burns CDs |
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| 01:25.31 | foampeace | abrotman: is it easy? |
| 01:25.34 | abrotman | raf256: paste your sources with the pastebot |
| 01:25.37 | abrotman | !cdrecord |
| 01:25.37 | dpkg | from memory, cdrecord is a CD writing tool (renamed cdrtools) for .iso (the file system) and .cdr (cd audio). Available at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html. Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or the .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab. now from version 2.0 up it supports atapi cd burners with an option like -dev=AT |
| 01:25.37 | raf256 | *will *uninstall |
| 01:25.40 | bulio | I'm using ubuntu linux |
| 01:25.46 | abrotman | bulio: #ubuntu |
| 01:25.49 | Eulex | kristiank, umh, what module are you using for it? what does lspci say? |
| 01:25.56 | bulio | how would moving to debian be? |
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| 01:25.59 | abrotman | bulio: sorry |
| 01:26.01 | raf256 | abrotman: my apt-get sources? well ok. I use *.debian.org |
| 01:26.10 | ke6isf | bulio: Please go to #ubuntu. |
| 01:26.12 | Guerin | zuru: it's in experimental for a reason. |
| 01:26.14 | darkcmd | why do people think this is #ubuntu? |
| 01:26.15 | abrotman | bulio: same installer? .. more packages? .. and you get to ask questions in the superspiffy #debian |
| 01:26.18 | ke6isf | bulio: Oh, wait. |
| 01:26.20 | abrotman | ke6isf: no . he wants to use debian |
| 01:26.27 | ke6isf | abrotman: Yeah, caught that. =O.o= |
| 01:26.28 | abrotman | raf256: paste them somewhere please |
| 01:26.32 | foampeace | ubuntu and debian dont go together...im going back to ubuntu |
| 01:26.40 | bulio | hrmm |
| 01:26.41 | bulio | ok, thanks |
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| 01:26.51 | phogg | damn that boy |
| 01:26.53 | ke6isf | !smack foampeace |
| 01:26.59 | foampeace | lol |
| 01:27.05 | Guerin | zuru: i don't use it, because a) I don't reboot my machines every two hours and b) i don't feel like obscuring whatever information my os wants to show me with silly pictures |
| 01:27.15 | ke6isf | dumbshit.... |
| 01:27.17 | Eulex | bulio, will probably be a good experience moving to debian. you'll learn much more about your system really works. |
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| 01:27.23 | ke6isf | Eulex: He's gone. |
| 01:27.31 | stew | raf256: yes, that article you showed me also had a link to a repository |
| 01:27.33 | darkcmd | splashy? |
| 01:27.41 | Eulex | hmm |
| 01:27.50 | zuru | Guerin: hmm... |
| 01:28.06 | foampeace | problem is configuration in debian...i couldnt install mplayer |
| 01:28.18 | foampeace | it saided i needed fingerprints |
| 01:28.18 | abrotman | foampeace: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 01:28.19 | ke6isf | foampeace: Did you put the marillat repos into your sources.list? |
| 01:28.24 | stew | raf256: oh if you are building a gcc-3.4 pacakge you need to apt-get build-dep gcc-3.4 |
| 01:28.26 | Guerin | foampeace: that's because YOU are crap, not because debian is |
| 01:28.36 | foampeace | ke6isf: it said i needed keys |
| 01:28.48 | abrotman | foampeace: /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 01:28.53 | ke6isf | foampeace: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 01:28.58 | foampeace | ya no thanks...i dont need to secure it |
| 01:29.15 | darkcmd | abrotman, do you have to use the apt-secure on marillats packages with sarge? |
| 01:29.19 | kristiank | Eulex: 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
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| 01:29.31 | kristiank | is it this line you need ? |
| 01:29.35 | raf256 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/488012 |
| 01:29.37 | abrotman | darkcmd: you can't .. apt on sarge doesn't support apt-secure |
| 01:30.01 | Eulex | kristiank, sorry, I dunno then. |
| 01:30.06 | raf256 | stew: thanx, that seem to be the problem |
| 01:30.24 | ke6isf | foampeace: If you want mplayer on Debian, then you need apt-secure. Read it. Not doing so will perpetuate the impression that you are an ignoramus. |
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| 01:30.25 | abrotman | why are you building gcc3.4 on testing ? |
| 01:30.36 | abrotman | bulio: are you ready to install debian? |
| 01:30.40 | kristiank | Eulex: any idea of what I could do ? |
| 01:30.46 | joseph | testing needs openoffice 2.x |
| 01:30.51 | Eulex | kristiank, try alsa? |
| 01:30.54 | bulio | abrotman: not tonight |
| 01:30.59 | ke6isf | bulio: For what it's worth, you'll probably like it better than Ubuntu. |
| 01:31.01 | metaperl | abrotman: why can my Linux machine not capitalize on the DHCPOFFERS? |
| 01:31.03 | raf256 | abrotman: everyone is asking me that :) I need stack smashing protection. I would rather use 4.x but I dont thing there is stack protector patch for 4.x yet |
| 01:31.04 | Guerin | joseph: like you need a hole in the head |
| 01:31.06 | Eulex | !alsa one liner |
| 01:31.10 | bulio | ke6isf: how come? |
| 01:31.11 | Eulex | !alsa one-liner |
| 01:31.11 | dpkg | from memory, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 01:31.12 | Guerin | haha |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | raf256: ask #gcc if it exists |
| 01:31.36 | Guerin | raf256: you think you're really special, don't you. |
| 01:31.50 | raf256 | Guerin: no. do you? |
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| 01:31.55 | joseph | Guerin: I don't need a hole in the head |
| 01:31.59 | De_Mon | Guerin you don't like open office 2.x? |
| 01:32.03 | kristiank | Eulex: I already changed /etc/libao.conf: add "default_driver=alsa" and commented line with "oss"... |
| 01:32.04 | ke6isf | bulio: A lot more flexible, if you ask me. |
| 01:32.06 | Guerin | joseph: testing doesn't need oo.o2 |
| 01:32.19 | Guerin | De_Mon: it's still Brand Spanking New |
| 01:32.21 | foampeace | ke6isf: im ignoramus, just looked it up. and is that such a bad thing? |
| 01:32.22 | Eulex | kristiank, well, have you got alsa set up correctly? |
| 01:32.24 | _rene_ | Guerin: ... but will get it in some days :) |
| 01:32.44 | Guerin | _rene_: well, when the time comes, it comes, but it doesn't need to be expedited. |
| 01:32.47 | abrotman | _rene_: not if you don't quit slacking :) |
| 01:32.51 | bulio | I'm torn between debian and gentoo |
| 01:32.53 | phogg | %(@*$*! etch. *&^#$*^!@# KDE. |
| 01:32.59 | abrotman | bulio: but you're on ubuntu now? |
| 01:33.02 | _rene_ | abrotman: ? |
| 01:33.04 | raf256 | phogg: ? |
| 01:33.10 | bulio | yes |
| 01:33.16 | phogg | raf256: nothing, just venting frustration. |
| 01:33.17 | ke6isf | foampeace: Well, they say that ignorance is bliss.... |
| 01:33.17 | syl-2 | good evening, i'm curious about discovering a text-based music player (mostly for mp3s), so i'd appreciate some suggestions |
| 01:33.18 | bulio | been running ubuntu for 3 weeks now |
| 01:33.20 | abrotman | _rene_: joke .. settle .. don't kill! |
| 01:33.22 | Guerin | _rene_: i haven't installed the release yet, not since the 1.9.x in experimental |
| 01:33.27 | kristiank | Eulex: I do not know; standard installation by "linux26", and update upgrade tonight. |
| 01:33.30 | bulio | nice distro, but it feels limited |
| 01:33.31 | hammerabi | bulio: one will teach you a lot about linux, and one will make you spend weeks compiling things." |
| 01:33.40 | raf256 | bulio: in what way? |
| 01:33.40 | _rene_ | hehe, if you use testing and ooo2 comes you'll get it automatically :) |
| 01:33.41 | foampeace | ke6isf: and that fancy words and knowing everything is vanity |
| 01:33.41 | hammerabi | syl-2: cplay is quite nice |
| 01:33.42 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
| 01:33.50 | joseph | Guerin: well I can hardly wait for it... |
| 01:33.51 | bulio | raf256: I'm not really sure |
| 01:33.52 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1469 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8872 MB compressed size. |
| 01:33.53 | Eulex | kristiank, alsa is not installed by default. you need to install it yourself |
| 01:33.58 | bulio | just a bit bloated, and such |
| 01:34.14 | ke6isf | foampeace: Well, they do say never to use large words when diminuitive verbiage is sufficient. =^_^=- |
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| 01:34.22 | kristiank | Eulex: you mean I must try "apt-get install alsa" ? |
| 01:34.32 | syl-2 | hammerabi: does it include some interface, or it's 100% command-oriented ? |
| 01:34.33 | metaperl | I tried to do an "iwlist eth2 scanning" last night, and was told that my device did not support scanning... the ESSID that my ifup eth2 command connected me to was not our local router but somewhere else in the neighborhood. how would I scann for our wireless netowrk |
| 01:34.34 | Eulex | kristiank, no: |
| 01:34.38 | Eulex | !alsa one-liner |
| 01:34.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 01:34.42 | raf256 | bulio: add proper sources and install kde, create root account, at it feels like real debian \o/ but easier for total newbies |
| 01:34.51 | hammerabi | syl-2: I don't know what you mean |
| 01:34.56 | hammerabi | syl-2: it has a curses-based ui, yes |
| 01:35.00 | raf256 | s/create root../enable normal logging onto root |
| 01:35.05 | cat | !info blootbot sarge |
| 01:35.13 | hammerabi | metaperl: perhaps kismet would work |
| 01:35.17 | cat | interesting blootbot is not on sargE? |
| 01:35.18 | ke6isf | foampeace: All things considered, ignoramus is not a so-called "fancy word". Near as I can tell, it's common usage - or at least close enough where most people can grok its meaning. |
| 01:35.18 | syl-2 | hammerabi: that's what I meant :) thx |
| 01:35.23 | hammerabi | metaperl: not only chipsets support it, though |
| 01:35.24 | foampeace | ke6isf: ya and the dictionary spells it right, its diminutive |
| 01:35.32 | hammerabi | haha grok |
| 01:35.38 | doleyb | ke6isf: an ignoramus won't understand ignoramus! |
| 01:35.41 | Guerin | cat: not that insteresting. It was removed because it's immensely buggy |
| 01:35.54 | ke6isf | doleyb: Eh, you're right. *plonks foampeace * |
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| 01:36.00 | cat | oh Guerin is there any backport for it? |
| 01:36.02 | crissi | hi |
| 01:36.02 | cat | or something? |
| 01:36.04 | Guerin | cat: if you don't have a good reason to specifically use blootbot instead of something else, you should use something else |
| 01:36.09 | foampeace | unless he can do dictionary.com |
| 01:36.13 | Eulex | kristiank, going to bed, so you'll need to ask somebody else if you need more help |
| 01:36.15 | karrot-x | Eulex: wow, thanks a lot |
| 01:36.19 | raf256 | stew: neat, its compiling now \o/ |
| 01:36.22 | cat | Guerin: like? |
| 01:36.23 | karrot-x | it was actually a completely seemless upgrade |
| 01:36.24 | raf256 | !stew++ |
| 01:36.27 | Eulex | karrot-x, working? :) |
| 01:36.29 | hammerabi | cat: the package from sid would probably install |
| 01:36.29 | karrot-x | ya |
| 01:36.31 | cat | i already did the factoids that's why |
| 01:36.33 | Guerin | cat: apt-cache search irc bot |
| 01:36.41 | hammerabi | cat: I hear supybot is actually maintained and is in sarge |
| 01:36.44 | karrot-x | Eulex: even all the servers are still working |
| 01:37.02 | Eulex | karrot-x, :D |
| 01:37.04 | zuru | ke6isf: where to read up on mplayer and apt-secure? |
| 01:37.06 | karrot-x | sweet! |
| 01:37.07 | crissi | i have upgraded to xorg 6.9... now i cant use x anymore.. i got a black screen (no crash of x)... how i can t get it working? i have a ati radeon x700 graphics card in my laptop... |
| 01:37.09 | karrot-x | Eulex: thanks a lot! |
| 01:37.17 | Eulex | karrot-x, you're welcome :) |
| 01:37.27 | ke6isf | zuru: /msg dpkg mplayer; /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 01:37.30 | karrot-x | now to decide; vsftp or proftpd |
| 01:37.32 | hammerabi | crissi: you'll need to look at your X log at a minimum |
| 01:37.32 | abrotman | crissi: did you reinstall your ati driver? |
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| 01:37.36 | ke6isf | karrot-x: proftpd. |
| 01:37.42 | hammerabi | crissi: are you using proprietary drivers? |
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| 01:37.53 | crissi | hammerabi: i have looked.. no errors |
| 01:38.04 | raf256 | running debuild will build me exacly the same binary that is downloadable from debian.org? insterad of the changes I would made to source/rules? |
| 01:38.05 | crissi | abrotman: no |
| 01:38.07 | foampeace | ke6isf: how do you do apt-secure for mplayer? |
| 01:38.21 | abrotman | crissi: you probably have to .. check your X log for EE lines |
| 01:38.37 | ke6isf | zuru: What flavor of Debian are you using? |
| 01:38.38 | crissi | hammerabi: i have used the opensource driver included in xorg before.. that dont work now :( |
| 01:38.54 | hammerabi | raf256: all it does is run debian/rules |
| 01:39.02 | hammerabi | raf256: so of course the binary will be different |
| 01:39.04 | zuru | ke6isf: testing |
| 01:39.19 | hammerabi | if you care about reproducible binaries, use Vesta on VMS |
| 01:39.25 | raf256 | what should I change to advice debuild that resulting binary will be runned only on K7 and to take speed benefits from it..? like add -march=k7 to debian/rules or something? |
| 01:39.30 | foampeace | DOES vlc do web streaming? |
| 01:39.35 | ke6isf | zuru: Just checking. Apt-secure doesn't exist for sarge. |
| 01:39.36 | hammerabi | raf256: blah blah, it will do nothing |
| 01:39.42 | crissi | abrotman: only a error that dri cant be initalized (i guess that is not critical) |
| 01:39.44 | hammerabi | raf256: if you insist, look at the pentium-builder package |
| 01:39.59 | raf256 | hammerabi: well ok |
| 01:40.02 | abrotman | crissi: that's it ? |
| 01:40.07 | foampeace | vlc web streaming like mplayerplugin? |
| 01:40.08 | crissi | any hints why i got a black screen? |
| 01:40.10 | abrotman | crissi: can you paste your whole X log somewhere ? |
| 01:40.11 | crissi | abrotman: yes |
| 01:40.14 | zuru | ke6isf: confusion here. sarge is 'stable'. i am 'testing'. |
| 01:40.25 | ke6isf | zuru: Correct. |
| 01:40.26 | phogg | foampeace: streaming over port 80? Streaming via http? |
| 01:40.28 | crissi | abrotman: yes.. i will upload it to a webserver |
| 01:40.43 | foampeace | phogg: streamin video |
| 01:40.57 | phogg | foampeace: oh, you mean "Does VLC have a netscape browser plugin?" |
| 01:41.08 | foampeace | phogg: firefox even |
| 01:41.23 | zuru | ke6isf: so, beint 'testing', and i am using mplayer, do i need apt-secure? |
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| 01:41.27 | phogg | foampeace: Firefox uses the netscaoe browser plugin api, like everyone (except for IE6+) |
| 01:41.36 | Agra | Agra |
| 01:42.03 | crissi | abrotman: http://u15119.hs-harz.de/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:42.07 | foampeace | phogg: and what does that have to do with streaming video |
| 01:42.09 | metaperl | kismet is not on my system. what might be a way to scan for wireless service in my area? |
| 01:42.20 | phogg | foampeace: You were asking the wrong question. |
| 01:42.38 | Agra | Anyone have experience with nvidia binary drivers? |
| 01:42.46 | crissi | Agra: yes |
| 01:42.47 | phogg | foampeace: how about this package: mozilla-plugin-vlc |
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| 01:43.23 | foampeace | hmmmm |
| 01:43.32 | Agra | crissi: mine started failing complaining not finding a keyboard (core device missing) after I upgraded just now after 4 months |
| 01:44.40 | crissi | have you load a keyboard driver in xorg conf? |
| 01:44.45 | foampeace | phogg: whats the source for those |
| 01:45.09 | phogg | foampeace: sarge, unstable |
| 01:45.21 | Azar | what is interesting is that usb modules are not 2.0 at least at installation I haven't seen but only 1.0, why so? |
| 01:45.24 | crissi | abrotman: downgrading to 6.8.99 works (no black screen).. so i guess its a bug in xorg 6.9 debian package |
| 01:45.40 | abrotman | crissi: if you're using the binary ATI driver .. you'd need to reinstall it |
| 01:46.01 | foampeace | phogg: im using testing |
| 01:46.05 | phogg | Why is it that netscape browser plugins get installed to individual browser plugin subdirs and not to a common browser plugin directory? |
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| 01:46.13 | abrotman | crissi: though the font thing is weird |
| 01:46.15 | phogg | foampeace: get the package from sarge, then. Should work. |
| 01:46.21 | crissi | abrotman: right but it wont work with 6.9... so i have used the ati driver in xorg |
| 01:46.33 | phogg | foampeace: and there may be one in testing, for all I know. |
| 01:46.38 | crissi | but that gives me an black screen (works with 6.8.99) |
| 01:46.45 | metaperl | is there a GUI tool for Debian/testing KDE that can help me scan for wireless networks? |
| 01:46.57 | zuru | ke6isf: ? |
| 01:47.05 | abrotman | crissi: you're not using the non-free drivers from ATI ? |
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| 01:48.17 | dli__ | can I run nfs over ssh? |
| 01:48.20 | crissi | abrotman: with 6.8 yes |
| 01:48.32 | kspath | equivs (2.0.6-0.1) Circumvent Debian package dependencies is potentially very dangerous I am guessing |
| 01:48.33 | crissi | but before i had used radeon |
| 01:48.37 | Padnah | exactly how do I select the default GUI in Debian? |
| 01:48.38 | crissi | so that driver works |
| 01:48.40 | abrotman | crissi: is that a yes you're using it .. or yes you're not using it :) |
| 01:48.50 | crissi | ??????????? |
| 01:48.56 | crissi | listen to me: |
| 01:49.11 | crissi | 6.8.99 work with gpl driver |
| 01:49.13 | dli__ | Padnah, apt-get install gdm (or kdm), and you select your sessions there |
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| 01:49.23 | crissi | 6.9 gives black screen |
| 01:49.26 | abrotman | crissi: and 6.9 does not |
| 01:49.30 | crissi | yes |
| 01:49.34 | Agra | crissi: in the ServerLayout section I have InputDevice "Keyboard1" which identifies appears in section InputDevice and has under it the line Driver "Keyboard" |
| 01:49.34 | crissi | its buggy shit |
| 01:49.42 | abrotman | crissi: now for the real pisser .. did you check the BTS? |
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| 01:49.47 | btwotch | hi |
| 01:49.55 | crissi | bts? |
| 01:49.57 | dondelelcaro | crissi: it would help if you would actually give us the complete output of the X server when you say it fails to work. |
| 01:49.57 | Padnah | I have KDE installed and would like to install Gnome and need to know how to set the Gnome as default? |
| 01:50.16 | crissi | abrotman: http://u15119.hs-harz.de/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:50.23 | btwotch | how do i install artsd? Which package is that ? |
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| 01:50.41 | dondelelcaro | !tell btwotch -about search |
| 01:50.46 | abrotman | crissi: i saw that |
| 01:50.49 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:50.49 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 01:51.06 | crissi | dpkg: ok |
| 01:51.06 | dpkg | i guess ok is not ok |
| 01:51.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:51.19 | abrotman | crissi: dpkg is a bot |
| 01:51.21 | crissi | but its a bad idea to commit packages that wont work |
| 01:51.27 | crissi | abrotman: i know |
| 01:51.29 | abrotman | crissi: you can file lots of bugs |
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| 01:51.51 | btwotch | dondelelcaro: i already searched for it and i have all the other arts bins on my system but not the"artsd"~ |
| 01:51.54 | abrotman | crissi: and in this case .. i would indeed file a bug if nothing in the BTS matches your issue |
| 01:51.55 | hammerabi | crissi: the X maintainer cannot test it on every possible hardware combination |
| 01:52.06 | abrotman | hammerabi: he can if we send him lots of stuff! |
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| 01:52.31 | crissi | hammerabi: but if 6.8.99 work so 6.9 _must_ work |
| 01:52.36 | OvrLrd-Q | I keep getting this emailed to me every hour, run-parts: /etc/cron.hourly/cronjob exited with return code 1. how do I get the cron daemon to stop spamming me :( |
| 01:52.45 | crissi | but i will file a bug next time |
| 01:52.58 | abrotman | crissi: you should file a bug this time :) |
| 01:52.59 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/artsd |
| 01:53.01 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:53.08 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/artsd' (1): (/usr/bin/{artsd|artsdsp}) in libs/libarts1c2a. |
| 01:53.12 | dondelelcaro | btwotch: ^^^ |
| 01:53.17 | dondelelcaro | btwotch: care to revise your statement? |
| 01:53.25 | crissi | abrotman: now i will look for mails and then i can do that |
| 01:53.28 | crissi | thx a lot |
| 01:53.29 | btwotch | ok thx :) |
| 01:53.32 | crissi | bye |
| 01:53.36 | abrotman | crissi: sorry i couldn't |
| 01:53.37 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:53.46 | dondelelcaro | OvrLrd-Q: fix your /etc/cron.hourly/cronjob so that it doesn't exit with an error. |
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| 01:54.58 | abrotman | gravity: is 6.9 FUBAR ? |
| 01:54.58 | OvrLrd-Q | dondelelcaro: if I run it manually, it exits with no error |
| 01:55.23 | dondelelcaro | OvrLrd-Q: echo $?; immediately after running it. |
| 01:55.44 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: there don't appear to be any bugs filed against it yet... it's quite possible that that driver has a bug, though. |
| 01:56.08 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: odd that 6.8.999 works .. but 6.9 implodes though |
| 01:56.23 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: reversions happen all the time... |
| 01:56.41 | dondelelcaro | if whoever made the last change doesn't have that exact hardware, it's not terribly surprising... |
| 01:56.43 | abrotman | though crissi didn't show me the 6.8.999 log |
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| 01:57.32 | dondelelcaro | 'could also be that it detected both the lcd and the video out and started drawing to the wrong one... |
| 01:57.43 | batmao | Hi. I just apt-get dist-upgraded, and now whenever I shut my dell laptop, I get logged out of X. How might I debug this? |
| 01:57.55 | OvrLrd-Q | dondelelcaro: hurm, thx, had -q option on wget which was why i wasn't seeing anything |
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| 01:58.37 | Death001 | http://s28.info/news.gif <-- anyone know what that font is |
| 01:59.18 | abrotman | Death001: maybe ask #web ? |
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| 01:59.30 | Death001 | okey dokey |
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| 02:00.25 | DonL | Happy new year |
| 02:00.55 | ^Ocean^ | Is there a way to Re-build the gnome Applications menu.. the one ihave is pritty scrambled. doubles of almost every application and stuff thats no longer there etc etc |
| 02:01.01 | brugo | just a question: if I install debian sid because I need a driver from its kernel, is it possible to downgrade to sarge by replacing all references to unstable to stable? The kernel will be preserved or replaced? |
| 02:01.04 | abrotman | ^Ocean^: update-menus |
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| 02:01.53 | Guerin | brugo: no. |
| 02:01.57 | ^Ocean^ | abrotman, didint make a diferance... do i need to logout/back in to see the changes ? |
| 02:02.01 | Guerin | brugo: you'll be running a blend |
| 02:02.10 | DonL | brugo, I thing you're left with what you have |
| 02:02.11 | Guerin | you probably want to build your own kernel |
| 02:02.19 | abrotman | ^Ocean^: you might |
| 02:02.45 | DonL | brugo, that's pretty vague, I know |
| 02:02.56 | brugo | guerin: after building my own kernel, could I downgrade? |
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| 02:04.17 | Guerin | if you build your own kernel, you wouldn't have to upgrade |
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| 02:04.46 | brugo | guerin: the problem is that it is a sata driver. without this, the system won't install |
| 02:05.12 | brugo | guerin: and sarge does not contain this module |
| 02:05.46 | DonL | I've been thinking about adding a DVD burner. Never had one. Is there anything out there Linux users should stay away from? |
| 02:05.49 | metaperl | how do I get a plain inet address for my ethernet port? ifconfig eth0 only gives an inet6 address |
| 02:06.10 | brugo | guerin: if only the base system is installed from sid, it will be a blend, too? |
| 02:06.16 | metaperl | I want to know the IP number of my Debian/testing machine which cannot get internet access via a router... |
| 02:06.25 | bbrazil | metaperl: contact your network admin |
| 02:06.29 | metaperl | the router's IP is 192.168.1.64 |
| 02:06.29 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:06.59 | Guerin | !test |
| 02:06.59 | dpkg | Yes, guerin, you're still online. |
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| 02:07.26 | dli__ | metaperl, do you have an IP? |
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| 02:07.33 | newbie2debian | hello |
| 02:07.44 | dli__ | metaperl, or can you do dhcp? |
| 02:07.45 | metaperl | dli_: I dont think so... i'm not internet connected |
| 02:07.47 | kspath | metaperl: I will bet that 192.168.1.64 was leased not by the provider but a device on your net |
| 02:08.00 | SilentBob | I haven't compiled a kernel in a year and a half... I tried to compile 2.4.32 today to include HIGHMEM support and now I'm getting an error (including 2.4.31 and 2.4.27 which worked in 2004). When I search for the error I find results only in Polish and Russian. Any idea what this error is and how to move past it? /usr/src/linux-2.4.31/include/asm/processor.h:75: error: array type has incomplete element type |
| 02:08.04 | ^Ocean^ | any one have a problem with Gdesklets Transparancy not working ? |
| 02:08.04 | newbie2debian | can someone tell me the command line to install .deb packages? i had it written down a while ago but lost it. |
| 02:08.11 | metaperl | dli_: I have tried DHCP and hereis a transcript of trying http://rafb.net/paste/results/3sPHAg65.html |
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| 02:08.15 | bbrazil | newbie2debian: dpkg -i packagename |
| 02:08.26 | ke6isf | newbie2debian: Why aren't you using apt-get? |
| 02:08.29 | kspath | metaperl: SET your IP to 192.168.0.11 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 auto eth0 DONE |
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| 02:08.43 | newbie2debian | i downloaded this file to hard drive |
| 02:08.49 | newbie2debian | it said .deb at the end |
| 02:09.00 | abrotman | newbie2debian: man dpkg |
| 02:09.01 | newbie2debian | it's a splash screen |
| 02:09.11 | metaperl | kspath: remove the eth0 inet dhcp line? |
| 02:09.13 | ke6isf | newbie2debian: But why aren't you using apt-get? |
| 02:09.23 | kspath | metaperl: edit /etc/network/interfaces no change dhcp to static and |
| 02:09.25 | ^Ocean^ | newbie2debian, dpkg -i package.deb |
| 02:09.32 | newbie2debian | i apt-get install filename and it's not there |
| 02:09.35 | kspath | metaperl: SET your address 192.168.0.11 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 auto eth0 DONE |
| 02:09.40 | newbie2debian | brb |
| 02:09.56 | ke6isf | newbie2debian: Try apt-get install pkgname, not apt-get install filename. It won't install .deb packages. |
| 02:09.56 | dli_ | metaperl, try 192.168.1.11 |
| 02:09.58 | metaperl | ok, I will try that then ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 02:10.10 | kspath | I have no job yet I am doing ISP/networking tech sup ugh shoot me |
| 02:10.18 | metaperl | dli_: try it? you mean like kspath said? I'm going to use his settings now |
| 02:10.19 | metaperl | brb |
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| 02:10.39 | dli_ | metaperl, since you said your router is 192.168.1.64 |
| 02:10.56 | abrotman | kspath: and ? |
| 02:11.10 | nanok | kspath: happy now? |
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| 02:11.38 | kspath | dli_: I am 85% sure he is seeing another dhcp server that is running on something that was assigned 192.168.1.64 but a DHCP server |
| 02:11.52 | aicrag | anyone know why I'm getting /usr/src/linux-2.4.31/include/asm/processor.h:75: error: array type has incomplete element type -- on a kernel compile? |
| 02:11.56 | qtac | kspath: not 86% sure? |
| 02:12.22 | kspath | dli_: I am hoping they did not do some dumbass netmasking or firewall or connection sharing CRAP |
| 02:12.44 | kspath | qtac: there is a 10-15% chance they are screwing around or trolling or something |
| 02:12.57 | dli_ | kspath, I don't understand, he got more than one dhcp offers |
| 02:12.59 | Guerin | brugo: you're probably wisest to install testing |
| 02:13.05 | Guerin | brugo: or build your own installer |
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| 02:13.18 | dli_ | kspath, DHCPOFFER from 192.168.1.254 |
| 02:13.19 | kspath | dli_ some machine/device is running a dhcp server and a dhcp client |
| 02:13.24 | aicrag | you guys rock. |
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| 02:13.26 | Guerin | brugo: or find an installer which installs sarge with a newer kernel |
| 02:13.41 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
| 02:13.49 | abrotman | did anyone even help aicrag ? |
| 02:13.56 | kspath | dli_: so just ignore that crap and just set the static screw DHCP |
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| 02:14.03 | Guerin | abrotman: SDNWOTW |
| 02:14.07 | brugo | guerin: there are some repositories somewhere with newer kernels? |
| 02:14.10 | wwallace | hello to all |
| 02:14.18 | dondelelcaro | brugo: unstable has 2.6.14. |
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| 02:14.19 | kspath | dli_: worst case he can try 192.168.1.11 next |
| 02:14.29 | Guerin | brugo: yeah, there's at least one sarge installer with a 2.6.14 kernel |
| 02:14.40 | wwallace | !kernel |
| 02:14.42 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.14.5, prepatch: 2.6.15-rc7, snapshot: 2.6.15-rc7-git6, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.15-rc5-mm3 |
| 02:14.46 | kspath | dli_: there is always a chance that maybe he has to jump to .101 or something |
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| 02:15.07 | kspath | dli_: there are so many stupid things they might be doing it is unreal |
| 02:15.41 | joseph | Hello, how do I make it so that my volume is not muted every time my system starts up? |
| 02:15.42 | metaperl | Ok, I tried some static inet settings and I'm getting closer... however I cannot ping 192.168.1.64: http://rafb.net/paste/results/8srQfs11.html |
| 02:15.43 | emacsen | anyone mind helping me work with sudo. I have this setting: %svn ALL = (svn) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/svn yet it always asks for my password |
| 02:15.43 | emacsen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.43 | kspath | they might have five layers of crap that is each in its own way going to stop it from working |
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| 02:16.06 | metaperl | ifup eth0 gives no error messages, but I still cannot ping anything |
| 02:16.16 | brugo | guerin: it seems it has been added since I has checked last time. thanks |
| 02:16.26 | kspath | metaperl: anything? |
| 02:16.31 | Guerin | svn as root? why? |
| 02:16.53 | emacsen | Guerin: you didn't read what I wrote |
| 02:17.03 | metaperl | kspath: here are the settings I used http://rafb.net/paste/results/8srQfs11.html |
| 02:17.08 | kspath | metaperl: can you install something like nmap and do a nmap 192.168.0.0/24 and if that fails try 192.168.1.0/24 ? |
| 02:17.16 | metaperl | it doesnt quite work. but it is looking promsing |
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| 02:17.36 | Guerin | emacsen: oh, you're right. |
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| 02:17.50 | emacsen | Guerin: yet, it doesn't actually work. it asks for password |
| 02:17.59 | emacsen | Guerin: which defeats the purpose |
| 02:18.10 | kspath | metaperl: if you ping 192.168.0.255 what happens? |
| 02:18.14 | kspath | metaperl: if you ping 192.168.1.255 what happens? |
| 02:18.16 | gb | !doesn't work |
| 02:18.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 02:18.45 | emacsen | gb: what's your problem? I defined how it doesn't work |
| 02:18.55 | davor | roflmao @ dpkg :D |
| 02:19.19 | joseph | Hello, how do I make it so that my volume is not muted every time my system starts up? |
| 02:19.34 | gb | emacsen: trhen theres noneed too say doesn't work :P |
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| 02:20.01 | Guerin | emacsen: yeah, it looks right to me, too |
| 02:20.06 | emacsen | gb: why not try to help me rather than tell me how I should describe the problem. It asks me for my password when it shouldn't according to the configuration |
| 02:20.09 | Van-PMOnlyIfImpo | someone can help me, i cant make htaccess work with apache 2.. |
| 02:20.20 | gb | emacsen: whynot type /ignore gb :P |
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| 02:20.32 | thingfish | joseph: are you using alsa? |
| 02:20.32 | kspath | metaperl: what you need to do is map out your network. what machines/devices you have and the IPs of each also note all machines with DHCP clients or servers running also anything with any kind of connection sharing |
| 02:20.38 | joseph | thingfish: yes |
| 02:20.50 | emacsen | gb: you can ignore yourself if you want to |
| 02:20.58 | thingfish | joseph: set things like you want them, then do alsactl store |
| 02:21.21 | joseph | thingfish: bash: alsactl: command not found |
| 02:21.35 | kspath | metaperl: I can not train you as a network engineer over irc I can not point out important things to notice and watch for |
| 02:21.35 | abrotman | Van-PMOnlyIfImpo: ask #apache ? |
| 02:21.36 | thingfish | joseph: dpkg -s alsa-utils |
| 02:21.40 | nanok | joseph: alsa-base |
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| 02:21.59 | Stereo | hi guys |
| 02:22.07 | joseph | so why isn't this package installed by default? |
| 02:22.19 | GregorR-L | Hmmmm ... Van-PMOnlyIfImpo was cut off, perhaps "PM only if impotent" :) |
| 02:22.23 | joseph | and why doesn't it set the volume to some reasonable default, instead of forcing all this work on my part? |
| 02:22.25 | joseph | just curious |
| 02:22.45 | thingfish | joseph: Debian doesn't make choices for you. |
| 02:22.45 | kspath | metaperl: worst case try 192.168.1.11 with same gateway and see what happens else 192.168.1.111 same gateway of 192.168.0.1 |
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| 02:23.10 | Guerin | emacsen: try removing (svn) |
| 02:23.16 | kspath | metaperl: of course if you are SURE of your router IP separate from any DHCP crap than set it |
| 02:23.18 | emacsen | Guerin: then it would run as root |
| 02:23.35 | joseph | nanok: looks like I don't need alsa-base.... |
| 02:23.39 | Stereo | I'm trying to get to the menu in aptitude over ssh from a mac os x box. F10, ctrl-space and escape are all mapped to something local. Is there any way I can override the menu shortcuts? |
| 02:23.56 | Guerin | yeah, I'm dumb |
| 02:24.07 | kspath | I'm dumber |
| 02:24.18 | metaperl | Linksys support is saying it looks like the router is not working at all...and that i'm getting an ip address from the modem and not the router |
| 02:24.20 | joseph | thingfish: alsactl: Specify command... |
| 02:24.27 | abrotman | where's secher |
| 02:24.35 | thingfish | joseph: alsactl store |
| 02:24.46 | Guerin | emacsen: but does it work without? |
| 02:24.49 | thingfish | once you've got it set like you want. |
| 02:24.57 | kspath | metaperl: if the modem can lease IPs is it really only a modem?!?! |
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| 02:25.09 | joseph | thingfish: nanok: so what is alsa-base, and why is it apparently unnecessary? |
| 02:25.16 | emacsen | Guerin: haven't tried... guess I could.. |
| 02:25.16 | Guerin | emacsen: without prompting for a password, I mean. |
| 02:25.26 | illusion | i have questions on mdadm, is this the right place to ask? |
| 02:25.30 | thingfish | joseph: what kernel are you running? (uname -r) |
| 02:25.40 | joseph | 2.6.12-1-686-smp |
| 02:25.41 | kspath | metaperl: could it be that linksys support is confuzzled? |
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| 02:25.52 | emacsen | no it doesn't work even without (svn) |
| 02:25.59 | illusion | 2.6.14-2-amd64-generic |
| 02:26.01 | thingfish | alsa-base is necessary, if you're running alsa. Last I checked. |
| 02:26.01 | metaperl | well, to complicate things,,, all of this started when my wireless connection died. and when I brougt it up the ESSID was 2wire411 (and the modem is a 2wire)... I dont think this is a wireless modem but tat ESSID is wrong.. and I cannot set the ESSID or the AP from iwconfig |
| 02:26.03 | kspath | metaperl: or you are trying to solve a problem that isnt really a problem ? |
| 02:26.10 | metaperl | kspath: meaning? |
| 02:26.17 | Guerin | emacsen: the other thing is that the sudoers file is processed start to finish - if, below that statement, you have another line which matches, then it will override the first |
| 02:26.33 | Guerin | emacsen: so perhaps try appending your line to the end of the file |
| 02:26.36 | metaperl | I have the nmap results from 192.168.0./24 - 22, 25,631,676 are open.. nothing came back for the second nmap |
| 02:26.39 | kspath | metaperl: if your modem leases IPs why do you need a router? |
| 02:26.47 | emacsen | Guerin: oh! Maybe that's it... |
| 02:26.48 | joseph | illusion: is 2.6.12-1 old ? |
| 02:27.05 | emacsen | that's probably it actually |
| 02:27.22 | kspath | metaperl: ok so my theory was right there is something on 192.168.0.0/24 network for you to work with |
| 02:27.26 | metaperl | kspath: hmmm, you mean the modem can do routing? I will look and see if it has jacks? |
| 02:27.28 | illusion | joseph: i'm running unstable |
| 02:27.35 | metaperl | kspath: what can I work with? |
| 02:28.00 | metaperl | Linksys is saying we need to hard-reset the router |
| 02:28.02 | joseph | thingfish: so why does my kernel version matter as far as alsa-base? |
| 02:28.18 | emacsen | Guerin: you found the problem! Thank you |
| 02:28.27 | kspath | metaperl: do whatever they say they are your support |
| 02:28.41 | thingfish | joseph: in case you were running a 2.4 kernel. |
| 02:29.13 | metaperl | kspath: I just want to get connected! |
| 02:29.16 | kspath | metaperl: make sure you are not making changes that will confuse or mess up the linksys tech trying to assist you |
| 02:29.18 | joseph | so what is alsa-base, anyone know? |
| 02:29.21 | Guerin | emacsen: heh, no problem. |
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| 02:30.00 | metaperl | they know nothing about Linux (and neither do i ) |
| 02:30.01 | metaperl | :) |
| 02:30.02 | thingfish | I'm going to become a carthusian monk, I think. Or a hermit in the desert. |
| 02:30.14 | kspath | metaperl: I was a tech for 1.5 years at an ISP about 6-7 years ago it is annoying for the person at the other end to be not listening or not following directions |
| 02:30.34 | metaperl | Im just a Perl developer... Debian was a great switch from Windows but I am too dumb to use Linux effectively |
| 02:30.45 | gb | thingfish: why a desert? |
| 02:30.45 | emacsen | metaperl: then use Ubuntu |
| 02:30.50 | Guerin | joseph: apt-cache show alsa-base |
| 02:30.55 | thingfish | gb: it's traditional. |
| 02:30.55 | emacsen | metaperl: seriously. it's like Debian but easier, for desktops |
| 02:31.01 | kspath | metaperl: this is networking just barely related to linux or windows |
| 02:31.24 | Guerin | the Secret Art Of Making Crappy Routers Work |
| 02:31.30 | metaperl | lol |
| 02:31.32 | ke6isf | Interesting. This NIC doesn't work on kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386. |
| 02:31.35 | Guerin | an art I try to stay as far from as possible |
| 02:31.44 | kspath | I do not do wireless |
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| 02:32.14 | gb | thingfish: I spend most of my time camped just off a billabong/springout in the bush,I find thatmore comfortable then the desert |
| 02:32.22 | kspath | if you want an easy router get IPCop or Smoothwall beats using little crap boxes |
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| 02:32.52 | thingfish | gb: well of course one would need access to H2O. |
| 02:32.53 | jacksparrow | 'hi all |
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| 02:33.08 | jacksparrow | How can I query my installed package in debian? |
| 02:33.41 | Guerin | jacksparrow: define query |
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| 02:34.36 | kspath | metaperl: you are not dumb it is a lack of experience and training / understanding networking you could learn it like you learned perl |
| 02:34.44 | foot | jacksparrow, you can get a list of installed files like so: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.list |
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| 02:35.04 | david-home | hello |
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| 02:35.59 | jacksparrow | foot: I try it, but it sad: No file or director... |
| 02:36.17 | Guerin | dpkg -l packagename |
| 02:36.17 | dpkg | ii packagename 2.5-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 02:36.26 | Guerin | dpkg -L packagename to show what files it contains |
| 02:36.26 | dpkg | ii packagename to show what files it contains 1.4-11.3 guerin's private stamp collection |
| 02:36.35 | Guerin | aw yeah |
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| 02:37.23 | nanok | dpkg -S `which xterm` |
| 02:37.23 | dpkg | Badgers ate my `which xterm`! |
| 02:37.29 | nanok | aham.. |
| 02:37.31 | nanok | :P |
| 02:37.32 | kspath | you all ever notice that people will pay for a plumber or mechanic but not for computer support ? |
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| 02:37.47 | thingfish | kspath: yes. |
| 02:37.49 | Guerin | kspath: only about 1,000,000 times |
| 02:37.57 | jacksparrow | thx, that's it! :D |
| 02:38.02 | abrotman | kspath: that's because computers don't leak :) |
| 02:38.04 | nanok | kspath: _everyone_ know how to use computers. that is *common knowledge* |
| 02:38.13 | illusionvi | got disconnected a minute ago, did anyone have advice on the mdadm question? |
| 02:38.17 | thingfish | oh, my business depends on it, but I can't pay you until it's convenient for me. |
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| 02:38.31 | kspath | nanok: you have a little sarcasm on your mouth ? |
| 02:38.46 | abrotman | kspath: computers don't leak! |
| 02:38.53 | jacksparrow | bye |
| 02:38.55 | kspath | mine do |
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| 02:39.00 | nanok | kspath: i have a lot, and am tired, and as unemployed as you are, incidentaly ;) |
| 02:39.03 | kspath | majik blue smoke |
| 02:39.18 | kspath | nanok: at least I am not alone |
| 02:39.27 | Guerin | it's because computer problems are virtual |
| 02:39.33 | concept10 | could someone recommend a good server firewall with a decent cli interface |
| 02:39.33 | nanok | kspath: yeah, aint tha cute, grrr |
| 02:39.34 | Guerin | not real |
| 02:39.34 | nanok | :P |
| 02:39.44 | Guerin | people conceieve that they can be fixed by just waving a rubber chicken |
| 02:39.53 | concept10 | !firewall |
| 02:39.53 | dpkg | methinks firewall is a boundry (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on |
| 02:39.54 | thingfish | hehe yes, pretty much true. |
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| 02:39.56 | Guerin | concept10: no such thing |
| 02:40.05 | abrotman | Guerin: i have three |
| 02:40.07 | kspath | Guerin |
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| 02:40.20 | Dewi | I see that debian stable is still using exim for mail. Most people around here seem to ask questions about postfix. This could mean either that everyone has ditched exim for postfix, or that nobody ever has questions about exim. |
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| 02:40.24 | kspath | Guerin: but rebooting fixes everything like blue screens |
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| 02:40.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:40.34 | abrotman | Guerin: the worst .. when the rubber chickens get drunk . and i end up with little yellow rubber peeps everywhere |
| 02:40.40 | thingfish | and the attitude is, "I should be able to take a blender to my software, and suffer no ill consequences." |
| 02:40.45 | nanok | indeed. it wont sprout water at 95deg. celsius in your face. , a computer that is. it will just have you lose hundreds/thousands/millions of dolars, but hell, who ever notices these small occurences.. |
| 02:40.46 | Guerin | abrotman: bugger |
| 02:40.46 | kspath | Guerin: but my computer expert friend (plays games) said it would work |
| 02:40.47 | Dewi | should I ditch exim for postfix like seemingly everyone else? |
| 02:40.49 | nanok | :P |
| 02:40.57 | abrotman | Dewi: oh hell yes |
| 02:40.58 | metaperl | someone please tell me how to scan for the wireless networks in my area. and please tell me why I cannot set ESSID and AP in /etc/networks/interfaces |
| 02:40.59 | Guerin | dpkg: does exim work? |
| 02:41.02 | bbrazil | nanok: water cooling? |
| 02:41.06 | Guerin | Dewi: |
| 02:41.08 | mhall | Guerin: wtf is going on in this place |
| 02:41.19 | concept10 | Guerin, what firewall do you use? |
| 02:41.23 | Guerin | mhall: insanitude |
| 02:41.27 | Guerin | concept10: iptables |
| 02:41.31 | mhall | Guerin: yes; quite |
| 02:41.33 | metaperl | it seems that ESSID has to be "any" and I want to give it a specific one and a specific ap |
| 02:41.36 | concept10 | somethings never change |
| 02:41.43 | abrotman | mhall: just wait... the band comes back in 10 |
| 02:41.47 | thingfish | it's helter skelter, baby. |
| 02:41.52 | Dewi | Guerin: dpkg doesn't seem to be answering you |
| 02:42.17 | Guerin | dpkg: hello |
| 02:42.17 | dpkg | privet, guerin |
| 02:42.23 | Guerin | privet? |
| 02:42.27 | thingfish | wow, that's russian. |
| 02:42.28 | Dewi | Guerin: about exim, I mean |
| 02:42.33 | thingfish | for "hi" |
| 02:42.34 | Guerin | i wanted a greeting, not a shwubbewy |
| 02:42.45 | thingfish | no, it's russian for "hi" |
| 02:42.54 | concept10 | why did i bother asking, I knew someone was going to say ipchains |
| 02:42.55 | thingfish | pree-VYET |
| 02:43.02 | metaperl | guys, that just a very basic question about configuring wireless |
| 02:43.04 | abrotman | concept10: ipchains is deadc |
| 02:43.09 | Dewi | concept10: he said iptables |
| 02:43.13 | metaperl | it seems that ESSID has to be "any" and I want to give it a specific one and a specific ap |
| 02:43.13 | abrotman | metaperl: did you ask #wireless ? |
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| 02:43.18 | Dewi | concept10: but I still think of it as "ipchains only more confusing" |
| 02:43.28 | metaperl | i didnt know about #wireless |
| 02:43.43 | concept10 | ipchains, tables whatever. Im just looking for a alternative with a decent interface |
| 02:43.44 | Guerin | thingfish: i actually speak a few words of russian |
| 02:43.54 | thingfish | Guerin: cool. |
| 02:44.05 | Guerin | but can't transliterate it into latin worth a damn, so won't try to do so on irc |
| 02:44.10 | nanok | concept10: there is no alternative, afaik. everything else are on top of iptables.. |
| 02:44.13 | thingfish | boy really |
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| 02:44.24 | nanok | concept10: use apt-cache search, and choose |
| 02:44.46 | nanok | concept10: or just use the god damn iptables, it should be enough for anyone (TM) |
| 02:44.57 | abrotman | concept10: what's so hard about apt-cache search firewall ? |
| 02:45.03 | Guerin | firehol or shorewall |
| 02:45.25 | abrotman | vi! |
| 02:45.29 | mhall | nanok: nmap yourself and netstat -an yourself; then eliminate every service you can, bind the rest to 127.0.0.1 if you can, and be done with it |
| 02:45.32 | concept10 | I already have a firewall which is shorewall |
| 02:45.41 | Guerin | but really, iptables isn't hard to learn |
| 02:45.52 | abrotman | especially not for a basic firewall |
| 02:45.55 | dbron | concept10: so what is wrong with shorewall? |
| 02:45.59 | nanok | mhall: huh? |
| 02:46.13 | mhall | nanok: you were talking about iptables something or other |
| 02:46.27 | concept10 | dbron, nothing wrong with it, I was asking for something with a decent CLI interface |
| 02:46.31 | mhall | nanok: and i was making the point that for a one-box firewall deal it's better just to disable services |
| 02:46.40 | Guerin | concept10: iptables HAS a decent cli interface |
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| 02:46.51 | concept10 | lol |
| 02:46.52 | varsendagger | please help me |
| 02:46.52 | nanok | mhall: i can dig iptables (more or less), i was just answering the young lad wanting some "firewall software".. |
| 02:46.59 | Guerin | concept10: no, really. |
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| 02:47.07 | Guerin | concept10: iptables -your -options -here |
| 02:47.09 | nanok | mhall: yes, to some extent i do agree |
| 02:47.27 | abrotman | concept10: lartc.org and netfilter.org ... |
| 02:47.29 | asuffield | shorewall is iptables anyway |
| 02:47.29 | concept10 | Guerin, never mind but thanks anyway |
| 02:47.29 | poser | installing on an old laptop but when gnome starts up the whole screen is shifted up and to the right so only a fraction of space is used and I can only see a 1/4 of total screen.. any ideas on what to chance in config? |
| 02:47.34 | rue_mohr | "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" <-- libpgp is getting annoying, is there anything I shoudl know? |
| 02:47.42 | abrotman | rue_mohr: read the topic |
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| 02:47.58 | Guerin | concept10: ok, so if you define your idea of 'a decent cli interface' [sic], we might be able to help you more |
| 02:48.02 | rue_mohr | abrotman, which part? |
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| 02:48.11 | abrotman | rue_mohr: all of it? :) |
| 02:48.21 | abrotman | poser: what is the native resolution of hte screen ? |
| 02:48.48 | poser | not sure.. trying to find out right now |
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| 02:48.53 | nanok | poser: just fishing here: is that an old compaq?.. |
| 02:49.20 | de-almasy | hello, how do you get php-4.4.* with sarge? (dotdeb.org?) |
| 02:49.20 | Dewi | abrotman: I am a complete email newb. But I'm adminning a few mail servers these days (postfix mostly)... happen to have any references to un-newb me? |
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| 02:49.32 | abrotman | Dewi: www.postfix.org ... |
| 02:49.40 | abrotman | Dewi: and if you catch the right people in #postfix .. they're great |
| 02:49.41 | concept10 | Guerin, a ncurses type interface is what i was talking about |
| 02:49.52 | abrotman | concept10: vi! |
| 02:49.52 | poser | nanok: nah old ams roadster |
| 02:49.59 | asuffield | ncurses is not a command line |
| 02:50.01 | Guerin | concept10: editor of your choice. |
| 02:50.18 | asuffield | and I can't imagine why a firewall of all things would have any use for ncurses |
| 02:50.23 | nanok | poser: well, try googling a bit for that model and linux, maybe you get lucky |
| 02:50.30 | concept10 | asuffield, non gui is what i mean |
| 02:50.31 | de-almasy | hello, how do you get php-4.4.* with sarge? (is it dotdeb.org?) (sorry not reasking, just clarifying my question) |
| 02:50.33 | abrotman | there is some tool that uses ncurses to ask you questions |
| 02:50.37 | Guerin | if a firewall requires configuration more than once in a blue moon, it's not set up right. |
| 02:50.38 | abrotman | about firewall i mean |
| 02:50.47 | asuffield | the command line is not a gui |
| 02:50.47 | Dewi | abrotman: firestarter is supposed to be simple |
| 02:50.48 | abrotman | de-almasy: do you *need* it ? |
| 02:50.57 | Dewi | oops |
| 02:50.58 | concept10 | asuffield, thats what i said |
| 02:50.59 | gb | asuffield: to make it easier for the crackers too see things in a pretty format |
| 02:51.06 | dbron | concept10: I think there is something like firestarter |
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| 02:51.10 | Dewi | concept10: firestarter is supposed to be simple |
| 02:51.16 | mhall | Can anybody connect to www.mhcomputing.net? |
| 02:51.20 | mario | hi |
| 02:51.23 | abrotman | mhall: it's all porn! |
| 02:51.25 | rue_mohr | as the link in msg dpkg apt secure seems to be dead, could someone tell me what the steps on page 5 would be? |
| 02:51.34 | concept10 | I use firestrarter, im talking about on my server without xwindows! |
| 02:51.37 | kspath | concept10: apt-cache search firewall apt-cache search ncurses |
| 02:51.37 | dli_ | which package for secure rpc ? |
| 02:51.39 | de-almasy | abrotman : yup, because our online server is using php 4.4.1 so i want my development server to have the same version |
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| 02:52.04 | mario | hola |
| 02:52.04 | abrotman | de-almasy: yes .. but are you using any of the additional features of 4.4 that would warrant you needing it ? |
| 02:52.11 | Dewi | mhall: it's infinitely slow |
| 02:52.16 | abrotman | !wb mario |
| 02:52.16 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! mario has returned! |
| 02:52.17 | mario | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.24 | david-home | hello |
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| 02:52.29 | pipline | mario: #debian-es |
| 02:52.32 | kspath | mario: #debian-es ? |
| 02:52.34 | david-home | can anyone help me with a pthread/nptl issue on debian stable? |
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| 02:52.58 | concept10 | i wanted something with a ncurses interface because sometimes you just get tired of messing with conf files |
| 02:53.08 | dbron | concept10: I don't |
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| 02:53.12 | de-almasy | abrotman : er... im not that familiar the the 'changelog',.. but i thought i wanted to be version-safe |
| 02:53.14 | abrotman | de-almasy: ihaven't seen a php4.4 backport to sarge yet |
| 02:53.17 | kspath | concept10: apt-cache search firewall apt-cache search ncurses |
| 02:53.28 | abrotman | de-almasy: well .. using an older version is better than the other way around :) |
| 02:53.36 | concept10 | kspath, stop |
| 02:53.40 | Guerin | concept10: http://feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.txt |
| 02:53.44 | nanok | concept10: make a nice script, with decent coments, that suiths your needs. that would be the best "gui" you will ever get for that.. |
| 02:53.48 | nanok | just mho |
| 02:53.48 | Guerin | concept10: adapt to your own case |
| 02:53.53 | Guerin | it's not rocket science |
| 02:53.55 | mhall | Dewi: but it's still responding? |
| 02:53.55 | abrotman | de-almasy: i'd say .. until you hit a bug/feature problem .. just use the one that's in sarge |
| 02:54.02 | tst3 | Is it possible to have 'overlapping' sound on Debian, like on Windows? For example, if I start two mplayer processes, I want to hear the sound from both at the same time, not just the first. How can this be arranged? |
| 02:54.03 | dbron | concept10: the config files are by far the most efficient and easy to use mechanism for me to maintain the firewalls I think. |
| 02:54.04 | de-almasy | abrotman : alright, thanks... so the one provided by dotdeb.org is not recoommended at this moment? |
| 02:54.06 | abrotman | de-almasy: what distro is the production server ? |
| 02:54.10 | mhall | Dewi: because I can't SSH to it or get to it with HTTP |
| 02:54.13 | abrotman | de-almasy: it's PHP5 isn't it ? |
| 02:54.15 | nanok | tst3: yes, alsa |
| 02:54.18 | mhall | Dewi: so i'm concerned it's fucked up |
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| 02:54.26 | mario | hi' |
| 02:54.29 | kspath | Guerin: NASA called and requested to netfilter experts and two rocket scientists |
| 02:54.34 | mario | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.35 | doleyb | tst3: the easiest way is to get a good sound card. But the other ways are arts, esound, and alsa-dmix |
| 02:54.36 | mhall | Dewi: oddly i can ping it though |
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| 02:54.41 | Dewi | mhall: I don't think anything is coming back |
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| 02:54.45 | concept10 | Guerin, thanks for that one, thats a nice layout |
| 02:54.45 | mhall | Dewi: damn |
| 02:54.49 | de-almasy | <abrotman> de-almasy: i'd say .. until you hit a bug/feature problem .. just use the one that's in sarge <== i cant because i dont have 'vote' for what goes into our mains erver |
| 02:54.52 | Dewi | mhall: this sounds awfully familiar to the problem I had on FC3 |
| 02:54.55 | mhall | Dewi: maybe some crax0r is beating on it |
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| 02:55.05 | valdyn | tst3: '/msg dpkg dmix' and 'mplayer -ao help' |
| 02:55.05 | thingfish | mario: no, you're new in #debian. If you're running ubuntu, go to #ubuntu. |
| 02:55.09 | Guerin | concept10: well ... it's just a textfile containing a shell script |
| 02:55.10 | Dewi | mhall: every once in a while it would go like this. return pings but no TCP and log nothing at all. So everything was totally dead, except pinging. |
| 02:55.13 | mhall | Dewi: it's debian sid on sparc though, so it behaves... oddly when it causes a problem |
| 02:55.15 | abrotman | de-almasy: yeah .. waht is the main server ? |
| 02:55.17 | doleyb | tst3: #alsa likes to talk about that (when they're awayke) |
| 02:55.32 | raf256 | afair there are 3 versions of libc, normal, i686 optimized (faster), and with build it stack protection (quite slower), |
| 02:55.36 | de-almasy | abrotman : im not sure, uname -a doesnt give the distro, but somehow i suspect it's debian |
| 02:55.38 | Dewi | mhall: I upgraded a bunch of packages, removed a shitload of packages, and put on a newer kernel, and it stopped happening. |
| 02:55.40 | mhall | Dewi: it works 9999/10000 times but the last time you can't ever know what the problem is |
| 02:55.47 | raf256 | how can I install all 3, living i686 as default, |
| 02:55.48 | abrotman | de-almasy: is there a /etc/debian-release ? |
| 02:55.50 | abrotman | err |
| 02:55.56 | de-almasy | let me check |
| 02:55.58 | raf256 | and prelinking some apps against the slower/secure one by hand? |
| 02:56.01 | mhall | Dewi: i've had several years of good reliability mostly |
| 02:56.09 | abrotman | de-almasy: wait . i'm a tard .. /etc/debian_version :) |
| 02:56.16 | tst3 | Alsa?! Will I need to recompile my kernel again? |
| 02:56.22 | Dewi | mhall: yeah, this one was odd in that it worked okay for months and then just suddenly started doing it twice a week |
| 02:56.28 | Dewi | mhall: had to just regularly cut its power |
| 02:56.32 | kspath | I remember "fondly" some guy literally calling me from NASA claiming our network was attacking his when in fact his was a SMURF amplifier took me hours to get him to pretend to understand he was such a rocket scientist he called back again a few times |
| 02:56.35 | de-almasy | abrotman : no there is not, but then the shell is in jail |
| 02:56.36 | raf256 | cat /etc/*version |
| 02:56.36 | nanok | tst3: depends . uname -r |
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| 02:56.40 | abrotman | de-almasy: wait . i'm a tard .. /etc/debian_version :) |
| 02:56.54 | abrotman | de-almasy: or .. dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:56.55 | raf256 | de-almasy: cat /etc/*version works also for redhat centos I suppose perhaps fedore and few others |
| 02:57.00 | Guerin | !what am i running |
| 02:57.01 | dpkg | What? You don't know what branch of what OS you're running? To find out, compare the output of dpkg -l libc6; cat /etc/debian_version; apt-cache policy; with known versions, such as are to be found on packages.debian.org. |
| 02:57.04 | Dewi | mhall: I'm transparently cached here... my cache is saying "connection timed out" on 80 |
| 02:57.09 | abrotman | raf256: last i knew .. redhat used /etc/redhat_release |
| 02:57.09 | doleyb | tst3: probably not, alsa is kernel modules, so don't usually need to recompile the kernel itself. But if you did something weird before, you might need to fix. |
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| 02:57.17 | mhall | Dewi: ah ok |
| 02:57.32 | mhall | Dewi: it's probably fucked up, i wonder if some ass clown screwed with it |
| 02:57.38 | de-almasy | abrotman : hmm negative, the shell is a jail shell, no access to dpkg :( |
| 02:57.38 | doleyb | abrotman: I remember /etc/issue in some (older?) redhats |
| 02:57.47 | mhall | Dewi: i think i heard rumor openssl was broken on sparc, that could be it too |
| 02:57.50 | ahattar | hi all |
| 02:57.52 | raf256 | any help on my libc question though? in genral, how to install few libraries (but not into the main system, but like to .. some chroot?) I need them only to link given application against it |
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| 02:57.52 | abrotman | de-almasy: jeez .. what do you have ? |
| 02:58.02 | abrotman | de-almasy: gcc --version ? |
| 02:58.09 | Dewi | anyone know of any postfix tutorials/guides/howtos from a debian perspective? |
| 02:58.29 | Guerin | Dewi: /msg dpkg postfix howto |
| 02:58.33 | abrotman | !postfix howto |
| 02:58.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, postfix howto is see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
| 02:58.34 | nanok | Dewi: try the isp style postfix howto for sarge |
| 02:58.34 | abrotman | doh! |
| 02:58.38 | nanok | ah |
| 02:58.40 | nanok | ok :) |
| 02:58.47 | Dewi | nice |
| 02:59.23 | de-almasy | abrotman : ahhh it's redhat damn it |
| 02:59.24 | raf256 | how to prelink just one single binary, and how to set patch in which it should search for libs/so? |
| 02:59.33 | abrotman | de-almasy: eww .. i'm sorry :) |
| 02:59.54 | abrotman | de-almasy: anyways .. there's no guarantee dotdeb hasn't been patched or compiled differently .. and same with RH php RPMs |
| 03:00.18 | de-almasy | i c |
| 03:00.20 | ahattar | question, my dhcp srvr (linksys router) does not lease address to debian neithere red hat, but win xp is fine ( i notice port 67 in linksys is closed)any idea how to fix that |
| 03:00.29 | de-almasy | so i stick my devel server with 3.10 then |
| 03:00.33 | de-almasy | 4.3.10 i mean |
| 03:00.36 | remyforbes777 | is there madwifi drivers for debian 64 bit systems |
| 03:00.39 | tst3 | Actually, I have OSS (Alsa) stuff compiled as modules, and they seem to be loaded, however, if I do `mplayer -ao oss file1.mp3` and then the same with file2.mp3, the second one fails |
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| 03:00.53 | abrotman | de-almasy: i mean .. of course . the easiest way to make sure they're both the same is to compile PHP on both |
| 03:01.10 | abrotman | de-almasy: of course .. then you're responsible for your own security updates etc |
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| 03:01.28 | valdyn | raf256: with LD_PRELOAD=/my/custom/libc6.so foobin |
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| 03:01.50 | tiagotitus | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.50 | tiagotitus | love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? ? do I need a love? ? |
| 03:01.56 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:02.11 | raf256 | goodby ipd.braslientcomsomething |
| 03:02.20 | nanok | WTF was that! |
| 03:02.34 | raf256 | nanok: wannabe terrorist aka frustrated wanker |
| 03:02.36 | abrotman | nanok: a flyby tard :) |
| 03:02.46 | de-almasy | abrotman : thanks abrotman |
| 03:02.48 | remyforbes777 | can anyone tell me if they have madwifi drivers for debian 64 |
| 03:02.50 | ke6isf | nanok: Random twat. |
| 03:02.51 | nanok | i mean, damn..how stupid can one be.. |
| 03:02.53 | tst3 | So dmix is not in Debian/Sarge ? |
| 03:02.56 | abrotman | de-almasy: i'm not trying to be a dick about it ... |
| 03:03.06 | abrotman | de-almasy: are you the sole developer ? |
| 03:03.09 | nanok | and i thought _i_ was wasting my time |
| 03:03.10 | raf256 | nanok: take a look @ bush. Yet half Americans voted. |
| 03:03.11 | valdyn | tst3: -ao oss is not using alsa |
| 03:03.14 | de-almasy | abrotman : sort of |
| 03:03.17 | ke6isf | nanok: They think it's something that they can bombard an IRC channel with garbage, like they're all l33t and stuff. |
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| 03:03.31 | abrotman | de-almasy: i mean .. if you're the sole developer .. is there a reason you don't choose the platform .. or is it hosted somewhere ? |
| 03:03.58 | nanok | yeah. brilliant stuff. hax0r2 |
| 03:04.12 | de-almasy | it's hosted somewhere, but still owned by my employer.. and i dont want to bug the admin to install this and that |
| 03:04.16 | valdyn | tst3: /msg dpkg dmix and use -ao alsa |
| 03:04.17 | de-almasy | if you get what i mean |
| 03:04.20 | tst3 | valdyn: strange. when I look at my kernel config, it lists those *OSS* modules under "Advanced Linux Sound" ... |
| 03:04.24 | riot | does grub know of usb-hd's? |
| 03:04.30 | abrotman | de-almasy: well .. i mean .. debian is pretty damn easy to install :) |
| 03:04.33 | De_Mon | raf256 you perfer kerry? |
| 03:04.47 | riot | (i made a debootstrap and now want to install a bootloader on that usb-hd for use as hda in another box) |
| 03:04.47 | nanok | riot: no. grub only knows what the bios knows, as of yet.. |
| 03:04.58 | riot | nanok: how can i install grub on that usb-platter then? |
| 03:04.59 | de-almasy | abrotman : yeah, that is a fact. that;s why i install it on my devel server (my own dev server) |
| 03:05.00 | abrotman | De_Mon: trick question .. lesser of two evils |
| 03:05.07 | raf256 | De_Mon: I dont know if Kerry would be good, Im not American even, but at least he is not so freaking dumb. |
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| 03:05.35 | nanok | riot: the problem is not installing grub, but having the machine boot the usb disk |
| 03:05.43 | De_Mon | abrotman yup, I didn't care for either canidate so I went for the same thing :/ |
| 03:05.45 | abrotman | de-almasy: TBH .. i think if you're on an older version .. you're probably ok .. |
| 03:05.48 | ke6isf | De_Mon: Well, a whole bunch of people in this country said they'd rather have Kerry than Bush. |
| 03:05.49 | rue_mohr | abrotman, ok, well the issue is now clear, but I'm basically left with the issue |
| 03:05.51 | abrotman | De_Mon: the same thing ? |
| 03:05.54 | nanok | riot: you can install grub by chrooting, or a few other ways |
| 03:05.57 | abrotman | rue_mohr: huh ? |
| 03:05.59 | raf256 | De_Mon: imho bush is a dumb gorilla on prozac, running around with big stick, bashing everyone around "uh oh, kill the ''terrorists'' arghhhh!" |
| 03:05.59 | De_Mon | abrotman lesser of two evils |
| 03:06.01 | riot | nanok: no, in that machine it'll be hda (i was just too lazy to stick it in this box as hda) |
| 03:06.03 | abrotman | De_Mon: oh |
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| 03:06.11 | abrotman | raf256: more of a monkey :) |
| 03:06.12 | De_Mon | raf256 gotcha |
| 03:06.17 | raf256 | ;) |
| 03:06.19 | nanok | riot: oh, ok |
| 03:06.23 | concept10 | I like bush |
| 03:06.34 | concept10 | he is easier to deal with than iptables |
| 03:06.36 | ke6isf | I think Bush is great. For comic relief. |
| 03:06.41 | De_Mon | concept10 lol |
| 03:06.47 | abrotman | concept10: you just can't read .. which is maybe why you like him :) |
| 03:07.02 | concept10 | abrotman, yep |
| 03:07.12 | tst3 | valdyn: I did both (/msg dpkg & mplayer -ao help) : mplayer -ao alsa fails; apt-cache search dmix fails; lsmod | grep -i oss lists some stuff, but nothing 'alsa', however *oss* seems to be listed under ALSA in the kernel config, so this might be the same thing. |
| 03:07.15 | EdLin | that's one thing I miss from *BSD, not having to deal with iptables |
| 03:07.23 | biopyte | Firefox 1.0.7 freezes when downloading. I even could not edit the download preferences -> freeze. Any idea? |
| 03:07.30 | De_Mon | I'm not into president bashing hes the one elected can't undo it move on. |
| 03:07.44 | poser | nanok: would my screen problem be because of resolution or what? |
| 03:07.45 | abrotman | De_Mon: well . you can undo it .. |
| 03:07.45 | raf256 | biopyte: restart with fresh profile? firefox -p |
| 03:07.47 | De_Mon | biopyte firefox 1.5 is out |
| 03:07.47 | nanok | tst3: install alsa-base, run alsaconf |
| 03:07.55 | abrotman | De_Mon: and not in anything but sid |
| 03:08.00 | thingfish | impeach the s.o.b. |
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| 03:08.05 | raf256 | how can I ask dpkg aboud given lib to display short summary? |
| 03:08.17 | abrotman | raf256: dpkg the bot .. or the app ? |
| 03:08.21 | raf256 | bot |
| 03:08.22 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 03:08.22 | dpkg | i guess dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 03:08.22 | nanok | poser: it is hard to tell. it would be because of very strange fucking videocard badly supported, i suspect |
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| 03:08.25 | biopyte | De_Mon: i took the "etch" package |
| 03:08.29 | raf256 | !safelib |
| 03:08.35 | abrotman | !info firefox etch |
| 03:08.38 | mhall | abrotman: i'd say he needs a murder |
| 03:08.40 | De_Mon | abrotman bleh, stable can be so last year :( |
| 03:08.44 | concon | hi, any of you know how i can select gcc 4.0 when compiling the kernel on the testing distribution of debian? |
| 03:08.48 | raf256 | !info safelib etch |
| 03:08.55 | D3vIN | using mepis etch and i need a debian sources.list can someone let me see theres |
| 03:08.55 | nanok | poser: but try what i said: google for your model/make and linux (or even debian), maybe someone has a workaround |
| 03:08.56 | mhall | remyforbes777: yeah i got it built and working with unsecure or wep |
| 03:08.56 | hammerabi | concon: edit the kernel root Makefile |
| 03:08.58 | raf256 | ah I ment on channel. anyway, |
| 03:08.58 | abrotman | De_Mon: 1.5 isn't in etch either |
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| 03:09.03 | mhall | remyforbes777: use CVS / SVN rel |
| 03:09.05 | hammerabi | concon: if it's actually supported for the kernel you're trying to compile |
| 03:09.07 | EdLin | mhall: great, then Chaney gets even more powerful than he already is. |
| 03:09.17 | concon | hammerabi: i'm compiling 2.6.14.2 |
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| 03:09.24 | abrotman | EdLin: show him a boob .. he'll have a heart attack :) |
| 03:09.28 | biopyte | raf256: thx, i'll try |
| 03:09.28 | mhall | remyforbes777: the README says what to do for funny (non 386) arch |
| 03:09.34 | EdLin | rofl |
| 03:09.37 | mhall | remyforbes777: they have HAL layer built so it works |
| 03:09.49 | mhall | remyforbes777: i used PCMCIA Cardbus 32-bit card |
| 03:09.49 | tst3 | I've heard GW Bush runs Debian at home (they make him use Windows at work though), so stop bashing him. |
| 03:09.52 | de-almasy | abrotman : alright, thanks for the help (sorry for the delayed answer). |
| 03:09.52 | raf256 | I want to use libsafe only on some applications. How to? Can I unpack it somewhere (not install into main system) and prelink the given application against files from safelib? how? |
| 03:10.21 | abrotman | de-almasy: nope .. not a problem |
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| 03:10.25 | raf256 | tst3: I dont think he is samrt enought to run installed Powerpoint |
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| 03:10.32 | De_Mon | abrotman i just said it was out, they can download the tarball and install regardless |
| 03:10.36 | EdLin | tst3: yes, but the only command he knows is "apt-get moo" |
| 03:10.36 | darkcmd | hello |
| 03:10.37 | abrotman | de-almasy: and if you end up really needing php4.4.1 .. use the dotdeb .. |
| 03:10.44 | abrotman | De_Mon: they can |
| 03:10.51 | ke6isf | EdLin: Yee-haw. =^^= |
| 03:11.32 | poser | nanok: I had kde working a year ago.. just started it up again and reinstalled |
| 03:11.40 | raf256 | the gcc is compiled! behold. only 90 minutes (60 min user) on nice -n 10 on 2 Ghz |
| 03:11.43 | DB7654321 | lsusb seems to be hanging my sid box, running a 2.6.12.3 kernel. Where should I start looking for fixes? |
| 03:12.01 | EdLin | !wayc raf256 |
| 03:12.01 | dpkg | raf256: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 03:12.04 | nanok | poser: yes, newer xfree is different than the older one |
| 03:12.06 | raf256 | no, wait.. it failed! wtf?! |
| 03:12.09 | abrotman | DB7654321: bts ? |
| 03:12.25 | abrotman | de-almasy: or use a sid backport from source |
| 03:12.30 | raf256 | EdLin: you know your are the 5th perso to ask that? I want to have --stack-protector option enabled |
| 03:12.38 | mhall | raf256: i compiled fullout GCC and G++ 4.0 on 400 mhz x 18 SPARC SMP box with make -j in half an hour |
| 03:12.43 | abrotman | raf256: what are you trying to do ? |
| 03:12.47 | mhall | raf256: it was fucking awesome |
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| 03:12.57 | abrotman | mhall: did you cream your pants ? |
| 03:13.01 | de-almasy | this channel is sure scrolling fast |
| 03:13.08 | raf256 | abrotman: you asked me that few hours ago didnt you? I want to have gcc/g++ with stack protection |
| 03:13.15 | abrotman | de-almasy: blame mhall .. he's a chatty kathy! |
| 03:13.18 | raf256 | mhall: neat |
| 03:13.25 | abrotman | raf256: i was joking .. i remembered |
| 03:13.32 | david-home | how does debian decide if it will load libc from /lib/tls or /lib on a specific box? |
| 03:13.33 | raf256 | :[ |
| 03:13.44 | tst3 | raf256: GCC finally does stack protection, but not general safety for C (user programs and libraries). So it's still many years behind some other compilers |
| 03:13.45 | abrotman | i soo have to shave |
| 03:13.49 | mhall | abrotman: well you see i had to work on solaris and i didn't have a toolchain other than a real broken prebuilt gcc, broken ld, and broken as |
| 03:13.57 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:14.00 | raf256 | tst3: :/ |
| 03:14.08 | concon | hammerabi: i looked in the main Makefile and there is no reference to the gcc version. Also, the symlink for /usr/bin/gcc points to gcc-4.0, and yet, when I compile the kernel, it uses gcc-3.3 |
| 03:14.09 | mhall | abrotman: so i figured out how to rebuild all of user space from one gcc binary plus libgcc.so |
| 03:14.09 | raf256 | ok, anyway the build failed. any idea? |
| 03:14.19 | mhall | abrotman: and fully documented the procedure for future use |
| 03:14.33 | hammerabi | concon: ? |
| 03:14.37 | hammerabi | concon: edit the CC and HOSTCC lines |
| 03:14.39 | mhall | abrotman: so i had my own staggeringly big private 1337h4x0r tree of good shit |
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| 03:14.45 | raf256 | http://pastebin.com/488134 |
| 03:14.47 | mhall | abrotman: everybody wondered how i was so productive |
| 03:15.25 | mhall | abrotman: we worked with filenames that were hundreds of chars long and i had bash3 with context sensitive completion and i had color editors |
| 03:15.38 | mhall | abrotman: so i got my crap done very very fast and never had to stay late really |
| 03:15.44 | mhall | abrotman: except if i was debugging apps |
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| 03:15.49 | raf256 | any idwea what went wrong in the example above? |
| 03:16.05 | De_Mon | mhall and you didn't share? how typical! |
| 03:16.38 | mhall | De_Mon: i offered but they didn't get it and/or refused |
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| 03:16.45 | mhall | De_Mon: except one other guy; the other intern |
| 03:16.56 | mhall | De_Mon: i saved him because he never used unix before |
| 03:17.08 | mhall | De_Mon: so solaris with missing userspace was just killing him |
| 03:17.10 | nanok | De_Mon: BS. you dont know humans, they would say _no_ |
| 03:17.44 | mhall | De_Mon: but it was hilarious because i could pants everybody by doing hard crap very fast |
| 03:17.46 | De_Mon | nanok yeah, we are a stupid lot :( |
| 03:17.46 | raf256 | please help, it looks like debian-package-specyfic problem. |
| 03:17.54 | mhall | De_Mon: so often i got called in to clean up messes etc. |
| 03:18.11 | De_Mon | mhall more work for you, and you're happy? |
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| 03:18.30 | nanok | De_Mon: merely amused i think |
| 03:18.33 | De_Mon | mhall all this extra productivity came with a pay raise right? ^_^ |
| 03:18.43 | abrotman | how would you know the difference between a solaris with/without userspace .. if you've never used unix before ? :) |
| 03:19.05 | De_Mon | nanok wouldn't you agree that it is hard to be amused and unhappy |
| 03:19.20 | raf256 | I found solution, |
| 03:19.25 | raf256 | out of freaking memor! |
| 03:19.29 | nanok | De_Mon: i would, if it wasnt the case with me, often |
| 03:19.32 | De_Mon | raf256 hahahaha |
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| 03:19.40 | De_Mon | raf256 how much swap? |
| 03:19.41 | nanok | De_Mon: it depends on your profile really |
| 03:19.44 | Dewi | what does the "auto eth0" and "auto lo" mean in my /etc/network/inferfaces? is it "bring this interface up after boot"? |
| 03:19.44 | raf256 | omfg, gcc compilation uses total of over 0,5 gb apparently and hit my ulimit |
| 03:19.52 | abrotman | Dewi: they come up at boot |
| 03:19.57 | raf256 | well I have 1 gb + 500 mb swap will that be nought? |
| 03:20.00 | De_Mon | ouch |
| 03:20.07 | mhall | De_Mon: well i got home on time and nobody ever questioned if i left early |
| 03:20.11 | raf256 | but I had lower ulimit like 400 mb |
| 03:20.11 | Dewi | abrotman: so is it like an auto "ifup eth0" |
| 03:20.17 | mhall | De_Mon: and i got a good performance rating |
| 03:20.21 | abrotman | Dewi: roughly .. yes |
| 03:20.30 | abrotman | Dewi: man 5 interfaces |
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| 03:20.40 | mhall | De_Mon: i never bothered about pay because it was already at least a third better than my friends who interned at other places |
| 03:20.42 | raf256 | when ulimit /etc/security/limits.conf is readed? upown spawning shell? loging it? system boot? |
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| 03:21.00 | mhall | raf256: try manning ulimit and the conf file |
| 03:21.25 | raf256 | mhall: Im doing that,I wonder do I have to re[login/boot] |
| 03:21.53 | nanok | ok, now i am _really_ going to the parking lot. bye. |
| 03:22.01 | raf256 | nanok: good luck |
| 03:22.06 | raf256 | nanok: dont let the cops get you |
| 03:22.11 | rue_mohr | I got it, thanks |
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| 03:22.22 | mhall | nanok: cops? |
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| 03:22.44 | nanok | raf256: thanks. will sleep like a rock at the bottom of the C. from A to B |
| 03:22.56 | raf256 | cu :) |
| 03:22.58 | nanok | for whom knows.. :) |
| 03:23.14 | concept10 | will the .wmf exploit affect my sarge box? I have alot of those files on there |
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| 03:23.25 | abrotman | !smack concept10 |
| 03:24.20 | Guerin | concept10: dude ... if you even have to ask that question there's no hope for you |
| 03:24.45 | abrotman | concept10: your machine will probably get infected .. perhaps you should install openbsd |
| 03:25.10 | skon | no you should install DOS |
| 03:25.13 | Guerin | nah |
| 03:25.13 | Guerin | install hurd |
| 03:25.13 | Guerin | no exploits in the wold for that |
| 03:25.13 | Guerin | or in the wild, either |
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| 03:25.26 | Shaun | where is basedebs.tar on sarge? |
| 03:25.37 | abrotman | installed hopefully :) |
| 03:25.39 | resiak | !pal Guerin |
| 03:25.52 | Shaun | on the debian site i mean... |
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| 03:27.14 | dondelelcaro | Shaun: it doesn't exist anymore. Use debootstrap. |
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| 03:27.53 | Shaun | i used to run this... debootstrap --unpack-tarball basedebs.tar woody /path |
| 03:27.58 | Shaun | now what should i do? |
| 03:28.04 | dli_ | dondelelcaro, any simple howto to do nfs over ssh? |
| 03:28.22 | kspath | do I need farchie to use forg more effectively ? |
| 03:28.46 | dondelelcaro | Shaun: debootstrap woody path; man debootstrap. |
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| 03:29.04 | Shaun | i dont want woody anymore, going for sarge now.. |
| 03:29.06 | shadow98 | how would i be able to access pc in dmz by name...specifically i want to mount a samba share |
| 03:29.13 | Shaun | just change woody to sarge i assume? |
| 03:29.18 | abrotman | if he's installing woody .. does't he still need basedebs ? |
| 03:29.48 | Shaun | i get this though... |
| 03:29.48 | Shaun | I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release |
| 03:29.48 | Shaun | I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release |
| 03:29.48 | Shaun | I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages |
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| 03:30.09 | Guerin | !tell Shaun about flood |
| 03:30.14 | Shaun | the invalid part has me concerned |
| 03:30.17 | De_Mon | Shaun you can upgrade from woody to sarge without going through that... |
| 03:30.26 | dondelelcaro | Shaun: that's normal. |
| 03:30.40 | Shaun | boy is that flood protection a bit touchy |
| 03:31.09 | Jeaton | where at on debian's site where I can download it's packages manually? |
| 03:31.20 | De_Mon | Shaun use #flood to paste more than 1 line |
| 03:31.36 | beardy | !pdo |
| 03:31.36 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 03:31.42 | mhall | resiak: what's !pal supposed to mean? i'm not familiar with that use of pal |
| 03:31.44 | Jeaton | thanks beardy |
| 03:32.00 | De_Mon | pdo, cute |
| 03:32.05 | beardy | Jeaton: np |
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| 03:32.43 | beardy | !woody->sarge |
| 03:32.45 | Shaun | De_mon: to paste more than one line, thats rediculis... |
| 03:32.54 | Shaun | also not upgrading, just building a image |
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| 03:33.21 | abrotman | beardy: doesn't work in channel |
| 03:33.28 | abrotman | beardy: must do !tell |
| 03:33.33 | beardy | oh |
| 03:33.39 | shadow98 | anybody |
| 03:33.50 | raf256 | I *hope* *really* that debuild reuses *.o and so on from previous build if it was aborted and sources and configs where not touched? |
| 03:33.52 | Jeaton | wow, debian has a shit load of packages |
| 03:33.58 | beardy | !tell Shaun about woody->sarge |
| 03:33.58 | Jeaton | more than I ever seen for slackware |
| 03:34.09 | beardy | !sarge |
| 03:34.09 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 03:34.11 | mhall | raf256: not usually; debian is really broken that way |
| 03:34.13 | raf256 | omfg it seems it is starting over! |
| 03:34.24 | dondelelcaro | !dstats |
| 03:34.29 | mhall | raf256: they usually do a clean before they start builds because they are extremely moronic |
| 03:34.35 | raf256 | indeed! |
| 03:34.38 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17565 packages, 1626 maintainers, 34442 MB installed size, 11218 MB compressed size. |
| 03:34.46 | raf256 | this realy should be fixed |
| 03:34.51 | mhall | raf256: you have to edit the control file if you are building a big package and remove the clean steps |
| 03:35.10 | dondelelcaro | raf256: use ccache if you want to do that. |
| 03:35.12 | raf256 | that makes me want to kill someone |
| 03:35.14 | mhall | raf256: filing a bug will most likely result in the developer telling you in some diplomatic fashion that you should go to hell |
| 03:35.16 | dondelelcaro | raf256: it's pretty simple. |
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| 03:35.35 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: well but it slows down the build on every sane makefile |
| 03:35.39 | tuv | can one set priorities for disk access like nice sets priority for cpu? |
| 03:35.49 | dondelelcaro | raf256: that's why you use ccache. |
| 03:36.03 | shadow98 | can someone help me.... |
| 03:36.11 | mhall | tuv: you can change the kernel's io scheduler but beyond that i'm not sure about what kind of qos choices there are |
| 03:36.19 | Alias_ | I've just had someone put a new hard drive in a remote system, is there a debian console tool to show where the drive is and format it or something? |
| 03:36.20 | raf256 | ccache will _slow down_ normal builds, because normal builds whil not try te rebuild same thing anyway, and ccaches adds small overhead |
| 03:36.23 | dondelelcaro | raf256: the package building rules are designed to always get the same package and be idempotent. If you know better, you can manually trigger the rules file. |
| 03:36.26 | Alias_ | (I can handle fstab and the rest) |
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| 03:36.36 | mhall | Alias_: sure, dmesg | grep hd |
| 03:36.50 | mhall | Alias_: then fdisk it, and use mkfs.ext3 or mkfs.xfs, etc. |
| 03:37.05 | tuv | mhall: you mean something like re-implement/modify the io scheduler? |
| 03:37.06 | raf256 | huh.. wait, this time the build failed right after starting it |
| 03:37.18 | abrotman | uphill .. snow .. both ways |
| 03:37.25 | raf256 | checking whether basename is declared... yes |
| 03:37.25 | raf256 | checking whether getopt is declared... no |
| 03:37.25 | raf256 | checking whether clock is declared... debuild: fatal error at line 765: |
| 03:37.25 | raf256 | dpkg-buildpackage failed! |
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| 03:37.28 | mhall | tuv: no i don't; they have many default ones to choose from in recent 2.6 |
| 03:37.40 | abrotman | now i remember why greycat used to kick him |
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| 03:37.57 | dondelelcaro | it's pretty simple folks, don't paste here. |
| 03:37.59 | raf256 | not even 4 line paste? ok then |
| 03:38.02 | mhall | !tell raf256 about paste |
| 03:38.03 | tuv | mhall: could you direct me to a dir./file in the kernel source? |
| 03:38.14 | dbron | !seen greycat |
| 03:38.14 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 34d 10h 9m 15s ago, saying: 'yuck. UTF-8.'. |
| 03:38.21 | mhall | tuv: let me get you config option name |
| 03:38.25 | abrotman | raf256: why do you need the stackcrasher thingie ? |
| 03:38.29 | Alias_ | mhall: Thanks |
| 03:38.39 | tuv | mhall: actually that's what i'd be interested in |
| 03:38.58 | mhall | Alias_: np man; have had to do similar thing before |
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| 03:39.18 | Alias_ | mhall: Been so many years since I did this NOT during the original install |
| 03:39.23 | Firestarter | when putting ends on network cable don't I just put the wires so they match on both ends and they will work? |
| 03:39.27 | raf256 | abrotman: to patch the hey-Iam-geek-I-handle-strings-by-raw-pointers-in-c-look-at-me-to-get-0.1%-speedup against stack overflow which is reason of like 3/4 of exploits |
| 03:39.33 | dondelelcaro | Firestarter: yes. |
| 03:39.47 | blondie | no |
| 03:39.56 | blondie | they need to match AND be wired the right order |
| 03:40.03 | dondelelcaro | blondie: not really. |
| 03:40.05 | abrotman | raf256: oh .. so no real reason :) |
| 03:40.13 | blondie | yes really |
| 03:40.16 | dondelelcaro | blondie: so long as pin 1 goes to pin 1, it will work. |
| 03:40.33 | blondie | no, because the pairs are not ordered together |
| 03:40.35 | raf256 | abrotman: to stop system from beeing exploited? (or to get rid of ~75% known and unknown bugs/exploits)? |
| 03:40.35 | dondelelcaro | (you'll get crosstalk, and other interesting issues, but that's neither here nor there) |
| 03:40.36 | mhall | tuv: CONFIG_IOSCHED_DEADLINE |
| 03:40.55 | tuv | mhall: will look into it.. thanks |
| 03:40.57 | abrotman | raf256: wouldn't that imply .. you'd have recompile EVERY library/app on your system then ? |
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| 03:41.12 | kspath | Firestarter: there are tons of howtos out there about that and making crossovers |
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| 03:41.28 | mhall | tuv: there are many other IOSCHED choices |
| 03:41.35 | mhall | tuv: let me find menuconfig path |
| 03:41.39 | abrotman | blondie: you can wire them in any order .. but it decreases the <insert measurable thing here> of the cable |
| 03:41.41 | Firestarter | I just want to make a straight though cable |
| 03:41.49 | abrotman | blondie: wait .. not any order |
| 03:41.49 | raf256 | abrotman: that would be best, but I think recompiling internet using programs (clients and servers) is quite reasonable, easy to do and takes care of the most used way of attack |
| 03:41.54 | abrotman | blondie: same order on both ends! :) |
| 03:42.07 | raf256 | http://pastebin.com/488176 <-- ok thats what failed.. any idea? |
| 03:42.33 | blondie | abrotman: but it's naughty |
| 03:42.33 | abrotman | raf256: i'm not sure you understand how much stuff you'll have to recompile |
| 03:42.38 | blondie | and nasty and icky |
| 03:42.44 | abrotman | blondie: well ..ye s.. but it still works :) |
| 03:42.50 | abrotman | blondie: and bad practice |
| 03:42.51 | blondie | to an extent |
| 03:43.14 | Firestarter | what is the suggested way? |
| 03:43.15 | raf256 | abrotman: Im recopiling the most common apps, like http, email+news, ssh, ftp clients; http,ssh,ftp servers |
| 03:43.29 | raf256 | I know its not perfect protection, but I want just to at least stop the obvious worms/exploits |
| 03:43.30 | abrotman | if you "miswire" a cat5e cable and it's on a 10Mb netowrk .. you'll never notice :) |
| 03:43.39 | abrotman | raf256: and all your libraries ... |
| 03:43.45 | mhall | tuv: another thing, consider your timer frequency, that affects i/o latency and performance |
| 03:43.50 | raf256 | abrotman: thats why I asked about libsafe |
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| 03:44.23 | blondie | Firestarter: looking at the side of the plug that has the metal pins, with the cable pointing down: orange-white/orange/green-white/blue/blue-white/green/brown-white/brown |
| 03:44.45 | abrotman | B! |
| 03:44.50 | mhall | tuv: Device Drivers --> Block Devices --> IO Schedulers |
| 03:44.54 | tuv | mhall: how does the timer frequency affect i/o latency? and how can i modify it? |
| 03:45.20 | raf256 | tuv: in kernel options while building kernel. 1000 Hz and preemptive |
| 03:45.37 | dondelelcaro | raf256: that's rather interesting... can you give us the config.log output? |
| 03:45.38 | Firestarter | thanks everyone for the help |
| 03:45.47 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 03:45.50 | mhall | tuv: yeah well the timer affects how fast tasks can be switched |
| 03:45.53 | dondelelcaro | raf256: you may also want to use fakeroot debain/rules binary; instead. |
| 03:45.56 | abrotman | !rfc568 |
| 03:45.56 | dpkg | somebody said rfc568 was Response to RFC 567 - cross country network bandwidth. J.M. McQuillan. Sep-18-1973. (Not online) (Updates RFC0567) (Status: UNKNOWN) |
| 03:46.03 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: ok, can you guide me in it? |
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| 03:46.08 | david-c | hello |
| 03:46.08 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: does dpkg know all of the rfcs ? |
| 03:46.15 | mhall | tuv: on big multi-cpu boxes you want it to be kind of long because timer interrupts cause performance problems if there are a lot of them |
| 03:46.17 | tuv | mhall: so the greater the frequency the better the latency? |
| 03:46.29 | AciD | so does it also means 1000hz will decrease laptop battery life ? |
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| 03:46.35 | mhall | tuv: yes the latency will often be less but of course the overall performance could be lower |
| 03:46.36 | colk | ok that was fun |
| 03:46.38 | blondie | !rfc1149 |
| 03:46.38 | dpkg | [rfc1149] Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers. D. Waitzman. Apr-01-1990. (Format: TXT=3329 bytes) (Status: EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 03:46.38 | raf256 | tuv: in general. well, probably over 50,000 it would be the other way around ;-) |
| 03:46.45 | Firestarter | blondie: great. Will this wireing allow me to branch off from my router and later add a hub to the other end later on |
| 03:46.45 | mhall | AciD: i imagine it might yes |
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| 03:46.53 | colk | my pc dosent like booting from a offboard controller card |
| 03:46.54 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: a bunch of them... |
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| 03:47.10 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: not all of them are there; I think it stops somewhere in the 2000 range |
| 03:47.17 | mhall | AciD: but other factors like cpu frequency scaling and good acpi / power management settings are probably a bigger issue |
| 03:47.17 | blondie | Firestarter: if you use the uplink port on either the switch or the router, or the switch/router support auto-crossover then yes |
| 03:47.17 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 03:47.26 | abrotman | Factoid search of 'rfc' by key (15 of 2233) |
| 03:47.47 | kspath | blondie: I LOVE Dlinks switches all ports auto |
| 03:47.58 | blondie | kspath: most are nowadays |
| 03:48.07 | blondie | except for el-cheapo ;0 |
| 03:48.08 | Firestarter | blondie: Great I have that on my router |
| 03:48.08 | mhall | tuv: for 1000 hz, etc try Processor type and features --> Timer frequency |
| 03:48.13 | kspath | blondie: they did back when almost none did |
| 03:48.24 | blondie | k |
| 03:48.28 | kspath | blondie: I am out of touch no money to buy new ones |
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| 03:48.33 | abrotman | kspath: autowhat? .. mdx/mdx or auto 10/100 ? |
| 03:48.41 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 03:48.50 | blondie | auto-crossover |
| 03:48.51 | abrotman | mdi/mdx :) |
| 03:48.51 | tuv | mhall: ok.. thank you |
| 03:48.53 | skon | Anyone know how to install the SSH ftp server via apt-get? |
| 03:48.58 | kspath | blondie: all I had left was a cross over old days I would have kicked myself |
| 03:49.02 | abrotman | skon: sftp ? |
| 03:49.03 | de-almasy | how do we exclude directories from 'find' output? |
| 03:49.06 | raf256 | strange! |
| 03:49.06 | blondie | o.o |
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| 03:49.09 | skon | abrotman: yes |
| 03:49.13 | raf256 | it seems now it is going ok |
| 03:49.15 | NCRPrint | I downloaded Debian and there is no GUI |
| 03:49.18 | NCRPrint | How do I install KDE? |
| 03:49.26 | gravity | NCRPrint: aptitude install x-window-system kde |
| 03:49.27 | abrotman | NCRPrint: apt-get install kde x-window-system kdm |
| 03:49.27 | raf256 | apt-get install kde perhaps? |
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| 03:49.34 | corvette | thanks |
| 03:49.42 | abrotman | skon: afaik . it's just the ssh server package |
| 03:49.42 | mhall | NCRPrint: apt-get install x-window-system-core kdebase xbase-clients xfs |
| 03:49.52 | abrotman | mhall: mine is better! |
| 03:49.58 | raf256 | corvette: also apt-get install synaptic and then run it (in GUI) it helps |
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| 03:50.09 | mhall | abrotman: no it installs too much shit most people don't want |
| 03:51.16 | raf256 | holly spagetti monsger, |
| 03:51.16 | skon | abrotman: well when Bastille shuts down FTP, does it shutdown sftpd too? |
| 03:51.16 | raf256 | now it goes ok, the build did NOT stoped on that bug when runned again. wtf? |
| 03:51.16 | blondie | mhall: didn't know it was called 568B :) |
| 03:51.16 | abrotman | skon: i normally use scp .. but i thought sftp ran on 22 |
| 03:51.16 | abrotman | !sftp |
| 03:51.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, sftp is a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". |
| 03:51.17 | mhall | corvette: apt-get install x-window-system-core kdebase xbase-clients xfs xterm xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on etch / sid) |
| 03:51.17 | corvette | thanks |
| 03:51.17 | raf256 | Applying io_quotes_def to mozilla/nspr/md/_win16.h |
| 03:51.17 | raf256 | Applying io_quotes_def to mozilla/nspr/md/_macos.h |
| 03:51.17 | blondie | abrotman: both sftp and scp run over ssh on 22 |
| 03:51.17 | raf256 | wtf is that??? |
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| 03:51.18 | mhall | raf256: some deb packages patch the source |
| 03:51.19 | abrotman | blondie: that's what i thought |
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| 03:51.33 | raf256 | what O_O ??? why gcc build messes something with mozilla? |
| 03:51.38 | abrotman | mhall: when someone can't even figure out how to isntall kde .. i figure .. give them the kitchen sink :) |
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| 03:51.48 | mhall | abrotman: fair enough |
| 03:51.50 | Firestarter | mhall: yeah I see that 568B configuration was the same thing blondie gave me on someones web page just wanted to double check. I like to check more than one source instead of having to do it twice |
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| 03:52.05 | remyforbes777 | is etch the same as testing |
| 03:52.08 | raf256 | btw, why the --stack-protector is not enabled in debial build in the first place? |
| 03:52.17 | mhall | Firestarter: right-o; it's available on wikipedia if you need a real good diagram + verification |
| 03:52.21 | abrotman | remyforbes777: currently .. yes |
| 03:52.33 | abrotman | raf256: doesn't it slow everything down ? |
| 03:52.37 | mhall | Firestarter: 568a works about as well but people wouldn't expect it if they try to repair the cord someday etc |
| 03:52.38 | skon | abrotman: well when I try to connect to my server that has the ssh package....it says my password is right (but the SSH shell works)...do i need to specify a certain user for the sftp service? |
| 03:52.38 | blondie | grrr 2.5 hours till i should get up for work :( |
| 03:52.39 | raf256 | abrotman: no no, I ment |
| 03:52.39 | remyforbes777 | abrotman, thanks |
| 03:52.44 | corvette | package has no installation candidate |
| 03:52.47 | mhall | Firestarter: anything besides A or B will probably fuck up subtly |
| 03:52.49 | skon | abrotman: I mean....password is _wrong_ |
| 03:52.53 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:52.56 | corvette | how do I update apt-get |
| 03:52.57 | corvette | the list |
| 03:52.59 | raf256 | abrotman: why the COMPILER have disabled the patch that allows him to CREATE stack-protected executables |
| 03:53.04 | abrotman | skon: what client? .. i've used Filezilla |
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| 03:53.09 | mhall | Firestarter: the worst way to file up in a way |
| 03:53.20 | mhall | Firestarter: fuck up* |
| 03:53.22 | abrotman | raf256: email debian-gcc@lists.debian.org .. ask them |
| 03:53.23 | skon | abrotman: ....using sftp |
| 03:53.26 | raf256 | ok |
| 03:53.37 | abrotman | skon: no .. your client |
| 03:53.38 | raf256 | abrotman: I need to sign up first or will I be auto signed in? |
| 03:53.51 | abrotman | raf256: dunno .. depends on the list |
| 03:53.54 | remyforbes777 | so I am using the wrong repos's |
| 03:53.55 | skon | abrotman: I was just using ftp program |
| 03:53.59 | abrotman | remyforbes777: for what ? |
| 03:54.06 | abrotman | !filezilla |
| 03:54.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, filezilla is A powerful FTP-client(and SFTP) for Windows 9x, ME, NT4, 2000 and XP. It has been designed for ease of use and with support for as many features as possible, while still being fast and reliable. Located at http://filezilla.sf.net/ |
| 03:54.13 | remyforbes777 | i am using sid repos's |
| 03:54.21 | remyforbes777 | shouldn't i be using etch |
| 03:54.21 | abrotman | remyforbes777: whoops :) |
| 03:54.33 | remyforbes777 | abrotman, whoops what |
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| 03:54.43 | dondelelcaro | mhall: depends on how long the cable run is and what type of ethernet is being run |
| 03:54.56 | mhall | dondelelcaro: what depends on what? |
| 03:54.56 | abrotman | remyforbes777: if you meant to be using etch :) |
| 03:55.09 | dondelelcaro | mhall: whether wiring it straight through will cause errors or not. |
| 03:55.31 | mhall | dondelelcaro: well you have to understand i use 100 and 1000 mbit where you can't get away with such shit |
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| 03:55.40 | mhall | dondelelcaro: and even if you can why in the hell would you want to |
| 03:55.41 | remyforbes777 | abrotman, i am running testing right now, so i am inquiring as to whether or not i should be using etch repo's or sid repo's |
| 03:55.48 | dondelelcaro | mhall: you can get away with it at 100 Mbit... not sure about gigabit. |
| 03:55.50 | mhall | dondelelcaro: because 568b is really trivial to wire |
| 03:55.59 | abrotman | remyforbes777: etch |
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| 03:56.07 | mhall | dondelelcaro: problem you will have is that the cable will downclock to maybe 80 mbit |
| 03:56.14 | blondie | people that wire cables wrongly cos they CBA should have the cable used on them in another way |
| 03:56.15 | remyforbes777 | abrotman, hot diggity damn |
| 03:56.19 | remyforbes777 | abrotman, thanks |
| 03:56.26 | mhall | dondelelcaro: it will not send its data at proper speed; also it will cause errors in ifconfig |
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| 03:56.50 | dondelelcaro | mhall: depends on the lenght of the run. Short runs won't generate enough crosstalk for it to be a big deal. |
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| 03:56.56 | corvette | I keep getting has no installation candidate |
| 03:57.04 | mhall | corvette: what deb version |
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| 03:57.17 | curt | !seen abrotman |
| 03:57.18 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (2h 45m 4s). Has said a total of 190 messages. Is idling for 1m 18s |
| 03:57.21 | dondelelcaro | in any case, yes you should wirte to 568B or A; the question here was whether it would work if you didn't, and the answer is yes. |
| 03:57.26 | abrotman | i'm sitting right here! |
| 03:57.31 | corvette | It has Kernel 2.4 I believe |
| 03:57.33 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you reset all the counters on dpkg ? |
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| 03:57.37 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i cannot agree it would work if you don't do it that way |
| 03:57.44 | curt | I thought that that showed the total number pot messages |
| 03:57.48 | sacawen | anyone here have ever build LFS 6.1 by ubuntu 5.10 successfully |
| 03:57.52 | Firestarter | I'm going about 100' so I will probably be better off with the 568B |
| 03:57.53 | sacawen | anyone here have ever build LFS 6.1 by ubuntu 5.10 successfully |
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| 03:57.53 | mhall | dondelelcaro: because it won't allow you to do all that you are supposed to be able to do |
| 03:57.56 | abrotman | curt: it used to .. seems they got reset |
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| 03:58.03 | blondie | what a retard! |
| 03:58.14 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@218.66.159.146!#ubuntu] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:58.14 | mhall | !murder sacawen |
| 03:58.16 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:58.18 | blondie | hmm |
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| 03:58.42 | mhall | dondelelcaro: so does that ban redirect him/her/it to #ubuntu or what |
| 03:58.46 | kspath | weenesac get kicked? |
| 03:58.47 | dondelelcaro | mhall: only if the cable is long enough for there to be significant crosstalk. |
| 03:58.48 | blondie | nice cause of death |
| 03:58.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell mhall -about fn modes |
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| 04:00.19 | mhall | dondelelcaro: but we can't know ahead of time what value of length will cause the problem |
| 04:00.39 | mhall | dondelelcaro: because it's a function of the connectors, the cards, the cable, the conditions |
| 04:00.43 | corvette | how do I tell what version it is? |
| 04:00.50 | dondelelcaro | mhall: I know for a fact that (assuming you've done a decent job of connecting) it's >> 5m. |
| 04:00.53 | mhall | dondelelcaro: so this could be as little as a decimeter |
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| 04:01.09 | mhall | dondelelcaro: 5m is short for when i crimp cables |
| 04:01.09 | blondie | dondelelcaro: a decent job of connecting means you use the right order :P |
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| 04:01.23 | dondelelcaro | mhall: I submit that if you haven't, the order is immaterial. |
| 04:01.37 | adrian_ | #_web |
| 04:01.42 | dondelelcaro | adrian_: /join #web |
| 04:01.43 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i just can't abide by your apparent justification of improper wire order |
| 04:01.47 | curt | might be /join |
| 04:01.50 | blondie | !lost adrian_ |
| 04:01.51 | adrian_ | thanks ha ha |
| 04:01.53 | blondie | !lost adrian_ |
| 04:01.54 | blondie | ffs |
| 04:01.56 | mhall | dondelelcaro: if it was OK to do it, then it would say so in the specifications |
| 04:02.00 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: did you reset all the counters ? |
| 04:02.06 | dondelelcaro | blondie: stop using the bot to abuse people, please. |
| 04:02.42 | dondelelcaro | mhall: the specifications tell you what the proper way to do things is... they don't tell you all the improper ways that actually work. |
| 04:02.59 | dondelelcaro | FE, they won't tell you that you really can run 10mbit through 1000m of cable. |
| 04:03.19 | mhall | dondelelcaro: if they actually worked well enough to be dependable they'd be listed as alternatives |
| 04:03.22 | abrotman | it just gets tired and has to stop half way down the cable :) |
| 04:03.43 | dondelelcaro | mhall: no, because the other method is just as much work, and works beter. |
| 04:04.00 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, is supposed to work better) |
| 04:04.07 | mhall | the maximum length of cable run was calculated from the fact that there is a 512 microsecond collision domain |
| 04:04.17 | mhall | and the speed of a signal in copper is not equal to that in fiber |
| 04:04.33 | corvette | how do I tell what version it is? |
| 04:05.00 | mhall | and the signal must be able to hit a new signal appearing right at the other end of the cable, and bounce back and cause the overcurrent within the collision domain time |
| 04:05.14 | abrotman | corvette: what verseion what is ? |
| 04:05.18 | Firestarter | I just don't understand that why there is a specific order if they just end up going the same place on the other connector |
| 04:05.27 | mhall | so in theory you could go over this length limit if you use switches, which did not exist when they made 10mbit |
| 04:05.31 | corvette | debian |
| 04:05.36 | abrotman | Firestarter: crosstalk |
| 04:05.53 | dondelelcaro | Firestarter: the order is so that the transmission +/- pairs and reception +/- pairs are together, so crosstalk is canceled out. |
| 04:05.53 | abrotman | corvette: cat /etc/debian_version or dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 04:06.02 | mhall | Firestarter: because if you don't other people will be confused, and the TX and RX polarities won't be properly distributed among the available pairs in the wire |
| 04:06.03 | stew | Firestarter: so that signals go over twisted pairs |
| 04:06.10 | mhall | Firestarter: do it right and quit complaining |
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| 04:06.29 | remyforbes777 | abrotman, i know this isnt the correct room but do they have ndiswrappers for 64 bit kernel |
| 04:06.31 | corvette | 3.1 |
| 04:06.32 | dondelelcaro | Firestarter: for short runs, crosstalk is negligable; for longer runs, or runs in the presence of significant RF, it beomes a problem. |
| 04:06.36 | corvette | How to upgrade? |
| 04:06.40 | mhall | Firestarter: the twists resist interference, etc. |
| 04:07.18 | Firestarter | I'm not complaining I would rather do it right. Just was wondering about the differece. |
| 04:07.19 | abrotman | remyforbes777: i honestly don't know .. most drivers for windows are 32bit .. you'd need to look for 64bit drivers for your device to see if ti's even worth looking for ndis for pure64 |
| 04:07.28 | abrotman | corvette: why do you want to? |
| 04:07.44 | remyforbes777 | abrotman, ok thanks |
| 04:07.46 | corvette | I want to install kde |
| 04:07.48 | mhall | remyforbes777: CVS / SVN rel supports 64 bit |
| 04:07.53 | mhall | remyforbes777: what driver do you need |
| 04:08.05 | corvette | but it keep saying |
| 04:08.05 | corvette | package has no installation candidate |
| 04:08.09 | Firestarter | I will grab myself a book and read more. But for now I know how to the right configuration |
| 04:08.19 | remyforbes777 | for a dlink dwl g630 |
| 04:08.49 | mhall | remyforbes777: what chipset is it? atheros or broadcom |
| 04:09.00 | remyforbes777 | im sorry i mean a broadcom bcm4318 |
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| 04:09.12 | remyforbes777 | mhall, i apologize |
| 04:09.14 | mhall | remyforbes777: alright there is reverse engineered h4x0r driver for this |
| 04:09.40 | mhall | remyforbes777: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
| 04:09.45 | abrotman | corvette: apt-get install kde-base |
| 04:09.48 | mhall | remyforbes777: just found out about it the other day |
| 04:09.59 | abrotman | corvette: erm .. sorry .. kdebase |
| 04:10.01 | mhall | remyforbes777: apparently it takes care of the problem if you have recent kernel |
| 04:10.42 | remyforbes777 | mhall |
| 04:10.53 | corvette | couldn't find package |
| 04:10.54 | remyforbes777 | mhall: thank, i have to figure out how to do this |
| 04:11.03 | abrotman | corvette: run `apt-setup` .. pick an http source |
| 04:11.07 | mhall | remyforbes777: yeah i am working on it too along with another guy |
| 04:11.11 | corvette | thanks |
| 04:11.16 | abrotman | corvette: then try again |
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| 04:11.30 | mhall | remyforbes777: and we can try to get it going |
| 04:11.38 | remyforbes777 | mhall: really |
| 04:11.48 | sambaseeker | How to make sure that my NetworkCard is working in "100 Full Duplex Mode"?? |
| 04:11.59 | abrotman | mii-tool or ethtool |
| 04:12.25 | corvette | apt setup seems to be working |
| 04:12.30 | abrotman | yay! |
| 04:12.37 | corvette | it's downloading the new list, thanks |
| 04:12.43 | stew | apt-setup is aparantly going away |
| 04:12.46 | mhall | remyforbes777: yeah i'm sure we can figure it out eventually |
| 04:12.55 | corvette | ??? |
| 04:12.59 | abrotman | corvette: not for you |
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| 04:13.03 | corvette | why would it go away? |
| 04:13.19 | stew | i haven't been able to get an answer from #debian-boot as to why yet |
| 04:13.23 | mhall | remyforbes777: if you drop me a line then i'll let you know of the other guy working at it and we can make little e-mail list to exchange tips as we figure out |
| 04:13.29 | sambaseeker | abrotman: how to start ethtool? |
| 04:13.36 | abrotman | install it first |
| 04:13.39 | remyforbes777 | ok |
| 04:13.45 | remyforbes777 | mhall, i will do that |
| 04:14.03 | corvette | maybe being replaced with something better |
| 04:14.13 | stew | corvette: no it was moved from a deb to a udeb |
| 04:14.20 | kspath | sometimes you do not want to set your network interfaces to auto sometimes it is better to set it to 10 or 100 FD or 1000 or whatever your stuff is |
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| 04:14.58 | corvette | now it's downloading kdebase |
| 04:15.01 | corvette | thanks |
| 04:15.09 | abrotman | corvette: you can try kde again after it's done |
| 04:15.19 | abrotman | corvette: you probably want kdm also .. and x-window-system |
| 04:15.37 | sambaseeker | abrotman: it look like that i have it installed, btw im running ubuntu |
| 04:15.50 | abrotman | sambaseeker: ask #ubuntu ... |
| 04:16.01 | sambaseeker | did but nobody answer :( |
| 04:16.05 | EdLin | !topicsmite sambaseeker |
| 04:16.05 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon sambaseeker. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:16.10 | ke6isf | !nadb |
| 04:16.10 | dpkg | If the people in the IRC channel for your Debian-based flavor of Linux aren't answering at all, keep in mind the only answer you're going to get in here is to ask within your support network - and that it's Debian based is not going to help your claim. Ask me about "debian based" if you want to know why. |
| 04:16.11 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 04:16.12 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 04:16.15 | abrotman | well .. i gave you two options .. one if not both should work in ubuntu |
| 04:16.17 | corvette | thanks |
| 04:16.24 | corvette | what's kdm? |
| 04:16.31 | abrotman | corvette: GUI login manager |
| 04:16.35 | corvette | oh |
| 04:16.41 | corvette | and so is x-windows system? |
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| 04:16.58 | corvette | For some strange reason when I tried to make a user name and password during installation the thing kept on restarting |
| 04:17.02 | abrotman | x-window-system |
| 04:17.07 | corvette | so I ended up skipping the step and am forced to login as root |
| 04:17.24 | beardy | Night abrotman |
| 04:17.28 | EdLin | corvette: it's supposed to put you at a login prompt... |
| 04:17.29 | Noboru | hi |
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| 04:17.49 | defenestrate | howdy |
| 04:18.00 | corvette | well I'll have to figure how to make a non root account |
| 04:18.05 | ke6isf | Using pan (a GUI usenet reader), I'm attempting to save images from a binaries newsgroup - however, they aren't being saved to the prescribed directory (in this case, '~/etc/images/anime'). That said, they're going *somewhere*, based on disk space consumption, I just can't figure out where, and locate is turning up nothing. How can I figure out where the data is going? |
| 04:18.13 | defenestrate | corvette: is that really difficult? |
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| 04:18.23 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 04:18.23 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard". (i e type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 04:18.39 | corvette | I'm still new to linux |
| 04:18.44 | Noboru | i read a report from a researching company something, says windows servers have just over Linux/nix/bsd to become having half of the market by the end of 2004,hmmm |
| 04:18.45 | corvette | So for me, everything is difficult |
| 04:18.45 | defenestrate | corvette: as root, type "adduser xxx" where xxx is the name of the new account |
| 04:18.52 | corvette | thanks |
| 04:18.55 | kspath | ke6isf: man find |
| 04:19.01 | ke6isf | Noboru: BFD. |
| 04:19.16 | ke6isf | kspath: Tried find. The filenames aren't turning up. |
| 04:19.23 | defenestrate | corvette: also "man adduser" |
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| 04:19.45 | defenestrate | corvette: there are lots of books. it's a different culture. here, you are supposed to want to figure things out |
| 04:19.56 | corvette | I need to buy a linux book |
| 04:20.00 | kspath | k36isf: -i for caps partialmatch in case there is a temp filename |
| 04:20.00 | defenestrate | corvette: read up. rtfm. |
| 04:20.19 | ke6isf | Noboru: We aren't here to compete with Microsoft, we just don't like Windows. Matters naught to me, for one, if they have more share of servers. |
| 04:20.24 | naoliv | Hi! I am feeling the necessity of a personnal finance manager. I saw gnucash and grisbi. Which one is better and easier to use? Or maybe another program. |
| 04:20.24 | defenestrate | corvette: and it's not just linux-- most of the basic concepts are unix general |
| 04:20.24 | corvette | heh |
| 04:20.30 | EdLin | corvette: "Running Linux" from O'Reilly is good. |
| 04:20.43 | corvette | thanks |
| 04:20.46 | ke6isf | kspath: Tried that as well. Nada. |
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| 04:20.47 | kspath | be6isf: sorry I am falling asleep I will not be of help |
| 04:20.50 | jp | corvette: everything could be found on the net.... |
| 04:20.54 | ke6isf | kspath: No worries. |
| 04:21.07 | corvette | yeah but I hate reading from websites |
| 04:21.12 | corvette | My eyes don't like it |
| 04:21.14 | defenestrate | corvette: or "unix system administration handbook" is a real classic |
| 04:21.18 | defenestrate | anyway |
| 04:21.21 | beardy | corvette: Read what dpkg said above. |
| 04:21.37 | EdLin | defenestrate: there's a Linux specific version of that available now. |
| 04:21.40 | kspath | ke6isf: did you create the directory that pan wanted to use and then exit pan and restart it? |
| 04:21.47 | beardy | !tell corvette -about grounding |
| 04:21.52 | ke6isf | kspath: The directory is already there, and it has been. |
| 04:22.10 | corvette | thanks |
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| 04:22.33 | defenestrate | who can tell me about the differences between lpr/cups and various filters? what is the debian policy on printing? |
| 04:22.34 | ke6isf | kspath: The only change is that I gave the explicit path, rather than just ~/etc/blabla - and I did that just a few minutes ago. |
| 04:23.08 | EdLin | defenestrate: Debian comes with lpr, but allows you to install cups or lprng or whatever you want to print stuff with. |
| 04:23.15 | defenestrate | also, I'm looking for some advice about nondestructive repartitioning tools, which is not related to debian, but I'm asking anyway. |
| 04:23.17 | EdLin | defenestrate: I use apsfilter+lpr |
| 04:23.26 | EdLin | defenestrate: parted |
| 04:23.28 | beardy | corvette: You can learn while doing, but check out some of those documents, they're good. You could also check your local library, if you want something in paperform. |
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| 04:23.38 | defenestrate | edlin: did you ever use edlin? that was ill. |
| 04:24.01 | atrus | i got my new motherboard and cpu running debian (with a few notable problems). i was told by the store that this is a 64 bit cpu. is there a way to check if it supports amd64 without installing amd64 debian packages? |
| 04:24.01 | EdLin | defenestrate: yes, it was OK as a widely installed poor man's diff, but that's about all I ever used it for. |
| 04:24.33 | EdLin | s/diff/patch/ |
| 04:24.54 | beardy | corvette: What youfind on most ordinary libraries are not that good/deep though. Printing the Debian Reference could be one option if you have a access to a good printer and not too expensive paper. |
| 04:25.13 | corvette | I thought of that |
| 04:25.23 | defenestrate | edlin: parted must be younger than 3 years old. |
| 04:25.45 | EdLin | defenestrate: parted is new. I used to use the commercial "partition magic" for a while. |
| 04:26.03 | defenestrate | edlin: great that fsf did that. there were some horrid commercial products for that which I was sometimes hired to support. |
| 04:26.09 | defenestrate | edlin: that |
| 04:26.41 | beardy | corvette: It may be printed though, but I'm not sure about that at all.. There is one book called The Debian Bible that's supposed to be ok, quite thick atleast, I haven't seen it though. |
| 04:27.08 | defenestrate | corvette: how old are you, and what is your background? |
| 04:27.16 | defenestrate | corvette: because that has a lot to do with it. |
| 04:27.28 | corvette | I'm in my twenties |
| 04:27.32 | cisse | is there a way to tell what packages were installed froma certain repro (used soulmachines e17 repro any trying to blow away everything and compile from cvs) ? |
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| 04:27.39 | corvette | and I'm used to Windows mostly |
| 04:27.42 | corvette | Mostly Win98SE |
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| 04:27.46 | corvette | and DOS |
| 04:27.51 | defenestrate | corvette: if non-windows operating systems is a new deal for you, then its different than say, you've used unix/vaxen/ whatever before |
| 04:27.57 | LionsMane | unF corvette |
| 04:28.26 | defenestrate | corvette: yeah. the first nonwindows system is the hardest. |
| 04:28.33 | corvette | I can tell |
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| 04:28.51 | corvette | I want to learn as much about linux as I can |
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| 04:29.33 | r0tu | I feel the hardest part of switching from windows to linux, was simply the overwhelming amount of information you never realized you should know... and learning it |
| 04:29.37 | SimonRaven | PAXen my VAXen |
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| 04:30.05 | ke6isf | kspath: I found it. It had created the literal directory \~, and that's where those images are going. |
| 04:30.13 | micahf | two questions; how can I make thunderbird the default and what command do I use for nautilus font size settings? |
| 04:30.28 | justin_ | what file do i edit to specify which users i want to be able to connect to ssh on my server? |
| 04:30.58 | SimonRaven | hm, this thing behaves better with no logs open |
| 04:30.58 | kspath | ke6isf: that is funny |
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| 04:31.34 | ke6isf | kspath: Well, I know where they're going now. |
| 04:31.48 | kspath | lol |
| 04:31.50 | kapil | micahf: there is a menu under preferences for fonts. there is another under preferences/advanced called "preferred applications" or some such. |
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| 04:31.58 | defenestrate | ke5isf: are you a ham? |
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| 04:32.27 | kspath | I always loved finding odd directory names and finding the right way to escape the char |
| 04:32.29 | micahf | kapil, I am in xcfe and I am not getting gnome's font preferences, do you know what the command is? |
| 04:32.45 | defenestrate | edlin: I'm not sure that I totally understand what the advantages/disadvantages of lpr/cups/ etc are. do you know of a good reference? |
| 04:32.54 | micahf | meh |
| 04:32.56 | defenestrate | edlin: and supurb note about parted. |
| 04:33.00 | micahf | I'll just log into gnome :D |
| 04:33.06 | MasterPi | 'llo all |
| 04:33.18 | EdLin | defenestrate: I've had problems with CUPS, though if it works well it's good. |
| 04:33.42 | MasterPi | anybody know why when i try to upgrade using synaptic it wants to remove the gnome metapackage? |
| 04:33.52 | MasterPi | (testing) |
| 04:34.12 | defenestrate | all: how big is the Debian installer? used to be xyz number of floppies, now everything fits on to several cds. |
| 04:34.13 | EdLin | defenestrate: apsfilter or magicfilter (I prefer the former) can be used with lpr to automatically print images, postscript, and anything else you throw at it. CUPS can do this without an additional filter. |
| 04:34.32 | EdLin | defenestrate: just use d-i and forget about the package CDs. |
| 04:34.40 | EdLin | !d-i defenestrate |
| 04:34.40 | dpkg | defenestrate, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:34.45 | EdLin | heh |
| 04:34.51 | defenestrate | edlin: thanks |
| 04:35.16 | defenestrate | edlin: what about building a bootable disk version that includes a utility, like parted? |
| 04:35.30 | beardy | defenestrate: You still can install with floppiesif you really have to. Use the netinstaller if you can. It's ~110MB. |
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| 04:35.54 | EdLin | defenestrate: I don't know how to make a live CD, I think the gentoo site recently had a "for dummies" howto on doing that. |
| 04:35.56 | beardy | defenestrate: The netinstaller already contains what's needed. |
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| 04:36.13 | defenestrate | beardy: needed for? |
| 04:36.27 | beardy | defenestrate: Partiotioning and so on. |
| 04:36.37 | beardy | spelling.. |
| 04:37.00 | SimonRaven | spelin sukx |
| 04:37.05 | SimonRaven | :P |
| 04:37.23 | MasterPi | huked on phonix verked 4 mi |
| 04:37.23 | defenestrate | beardy: does it contain parted? |
| 04:37.23 | beardy | defenestrate: Use an existing livecd if you need to use for example parted. |
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| 04:37.48 | defenestrate | beardy: the binary has to be a part of the live cd |
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| 04:38.14 | beardy | !livecd |
| 04:38.14 | dpkg | hmm... livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. |
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| 04:38.42 | SimonRaven | MasterPi: not very well did it? ;) |
| 04:38.43 | defenestrate | ^^^ that was 5 years ago |
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| 04:38.50 | MasterPi | lol |
| 04:39.00 | SimonRaven | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.05 | SimonRaven | / \ |
| 04:39.07 | SimonRaven | w00t |
| 04:39.11 | MasterPi | so... |
| 04:39.15 | MasterPi | anybody know why when i try to upgrade using synaptic it wants to remove the gnome metapackage? |
| 04:39.21 | MasterPi | im running etch |
| 04:39.23 | defenestrate | beardy: yes, this I know, but parted needs to be in the particular livecd |
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| 04:39.53 | SimonRaven | loldude strikes again! |
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| 04:40.22 | SimonRaven | MasterPi: meta-packages don't matter very much, as long as you keep what counts |
| 04:40.37 | MasterPi | =:-)}I{ frankenstien pwns him |
| 04:40.40 | MasterPi | yeah i figured |
| 04:40.42 | rdancer | what's wrong here?: all the fonts in X are waaaay too large: window titles, firefox UI, all of the xfce4-panel |
| 04:40.45 | defenestrate | edlin: since I have a postscript compatable printer on lp0, I can just lp0 < filename, right? |
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| 04:41.00 | MasterPi | SimonRaven: is getting rid of a bunch of other stuff too tho |
| 04:41.04 | EdLin | defenestrate: use lpr |
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| 04:41.14 | tictac | rdancer: change your gtk theme |
| 04:41.30 | rdancer | i run gnome-control-center, attempted to change the font, and it didn't work. |
| 04:41.32 | SimonRaven | defenestrate: you haven't been here (#debian) in a while, have you? i have vague echoes in my head WRT your nick |
| 04:41.42 | beardy | defenestrate: Ok, each projects site should have a packagelisting. |
| 04:41.50 | EdLin | defenestrate: if it's a postscript-only printer you'll need a filter |
| 04:41.54 | MasterPi | SimonRaven: like inkscape, i think that's what's removing the metapackage |
| 04:42.10 | EdLin | defenestrate: or maybe just something like "enscript" |
| 04:42.15 | MasterPi | and i don't care to lose Inkscape but there're security updates |
| 04:42.23 | SimonRaven | MasterPi: use aptitude, and set that stuff on hold, then remove 'gnome' (meta-package only) |
| 04:42.23 | defenestrate | beardy: true. know of one off the top of your head that has parted? does the standard debian i86 boot/root have that? |
| 04:42.28 | beardy | defenestrate: Also the netinstaller, but I don'tknow/remember where now.. |
| 04:42.46 | MasterPi | SimonRaven: hold? |
| 04:43.01 | SimonRaven | !tell MasterPi -about hold |
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| 04:43.37 | beardy | defenestrate: knoppix probably has it, systerescuecd has qtparted, and probably parted too then, since good livecds are meant to be rescuesystems, most of them probably has it. |
| 04:43.45 | SimonRaven | rdancer: running 100dpi fonts on 70-80 dpi screen? |
| 04:43.54 | defenestrate | edlin: when did linux start supporting USB so well? it seems like last time I cared, USB really sucked |
| 04:44.05 | SimonRaven | yes, been a while |
| 04:44.14 | EdLin | defenestrate: 2.4 supported USB fairly well, assumedly 2.6 does it better. |
| 04:44.26 | ke6isf | EdLin: 2.6 does a pretty good job of it. |
| 04:44.27 | defenestrate | beardy: awesome |
| 04:44.33 | beardy | Where is the list of what the netinstaller contains? |
| 04:44.34 | EdLin | defenestrate: you need something in userspace for hotplugging |
| 04:44.47 | SimonRaven | late 2.4 it started getting better, then the 2.6 stuff is really nice apparently |
| 04:45.38 | corvette | ok kdebase installed |
| 04:45.48 | EdLin | my keyboard and mouse on my latest computer are USB |
| 04:45.53 | defenestrate | corvette: are you installing debian? |
| 04:46.04 | defenestrate | edlin: exactly |
| 04:46.22 | EdLin | debhelper: my printer is USB too |
| 04:46.26 | defenestrate | edlin: most machines that I deal with don't have computers or mice, just serial or network |
| 04:46.42 | zinx | defenestrate: i'm going to assume you meant monitors |
| 04:46.48 | corvette | Now I'm installing x-window-system on debian |
| 04:46.49 | EdLin | defenestrate: I assume "computers" is a typo. ;-) |
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| 04:47.13 | corvette | uhm... debian was already installed. I typed apt-get install kdebase and it installed kdebase. Now I'm installing x-windows-system |
| 04:47.16 | ke6isf | defenestrate: You now have to go to Ebay to buy the old Model Ms, but you can find them. |
| 04:47.18 | EdLin | defenestrate: I sort of liked the sound of Apple II keyboards. |
| 04:47.30 | ke6isf | EdLin: Those had a nice feel to them. =^^= |
| 04:47.36 | beardy | corvette: No s at the end, x-window-system |
| 04:47.48 | defenestrate | zinx: in the data center, most machines have ps/2 ports, but I connect via ssh or serial connection from a terminal server |
| 04:47.55 | corvette | yeah |
| 04:47.57 | justin_ | how do i change the name of my computer? |
| 04:47.59 | corvette | sorry |
| 04:48.04 | defenestrate | corvette: good |
| 04:48.10 | defenestrate | justin_: man uname |
| 04:48.12 | ke6isf | EdLin: There was also the keyboard on a TI 99/4A that had somethign similar. |
| 04:48.14 | SimonRaven | EdLin: yeh those are nice |
| 04:48.27 | SimonRaven | i find them responsive. bouncy |
| 04:49.17 | EdLin | I liked the Apple II keyboard more than the PC's, though I know disliking of the original IBM PC keyboard is heresy here... |
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| 04:50.19 | defenestrate | edlin: I remember those, but they didn't quite "click' with me the same way |
| 04:50.26 | defenestrate | justin_: did that help? |
| 04:50.28 | corvette | thanks |
| 04:50.56 | EdLin | defenestrate: it probably was habit, I'd been using them for years before I used the PC keyboard. |
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| 04:51.25 | CoDeX | can someone help me ? |
| 04:51.42 | EdLin | the first PC I owned (not the first I used) had a nice keyboard, Zeos. |
| 04:51.43 | beardy | CoDeX: Just ask your question and perhaps someone will. |
| 04:51.45 | justin_ | defenestrate: not really |
| 04:51.58 | justin_ | defenestrate: even info uname didnt really help |
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| 04:52.00 | ootput | hi guys, i'm in the process of removing certain partitions to free up disk space. At the moment, i have an lvm2 configuration on the same disk spanning multiple partitions. I'm afraid that if i do delete partitions, that it'd mess up the ordering (i.e. hda3 will become hda2) and hecnce the lvm2 configuration. |
| 04:52.09 | EdLin | !tell CoDeX -about ask |
| 04:52.20 | joseph | Hello, would anyone be able to help me figure out why sound does not work in America's Army or in Neverwinter Nights? Thanks. |
| 04:52.23 | SimonRaven | *shock* *shock* a new version of xkeycaps |
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| 04:52.24 | CoDeX | how can i make a link from ssh from a file to a folder |
| 04:52.37 | EdLin | !folder |
| 04:52.37 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 04:52.54 | MasterPi | CoDex: maybe sshfs? |
| 04:52.56 | CoDeX | a shortcut |
| 04:53.16 | SimonRaven | !shfs |
| 04:53.17 | dpkg | i heard shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 04:53.24 | CoDeX | from /var/www to /usr/share/* |
| 04:53.39 | kapil | ootput: i think lvm2 stores its metadata at the top of each physical device. |
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| 04:54.15 | MasterPi | CoDeX: rm -rf /var/www ; ln -s /usr/share /var/www if ur really sure |
| 04:54.18 | ootput | kapil: so a vgscan will correctly identify the volumes despite their different device name? |
| 04:54.22 | EdLin | !ur |
| 04:54.23 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 04:54.32 | beardy | CoDeX: What do you want to accomplish? |
| 04:54.35 | EdLin | the floggings will continue until moralle improves! |
| 04:54.35 | SimonRaven | oh ok, the DD for it is making himself upstream |
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| 04:54.47 | beardy | !flog EdLin |
| 04:54.49 | ootput | EdLin: hewhe |
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| 04:55.12 | CoDeX | i ve installed phpgroupware and i want to access it via http |
| 04:55.15 | MasterPi | !help |
| 04:55.16 | SimonRaven | \o/ cat5-o-nine-tails |
| 04:55.23 | ^Ocean^ | Okay when I type "runlevel" it says unkown What the heck did I break ? |
| 04:55.40 | beardy | !tell MasterPi -about ask |
| 04:55.53 | defenestrate | justin_: you're right, you know /etc/hostname is there, but it's set in a script elsewhere |
| 04:55.56 | MasterPi | i asked my question |
| 04:56.02 | MasterPi | im just idling now |
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| 04:56.06 | defenestrate | justin_: I've gone through this before, but I can't remember |
| 04:56.07 | MasterPi | wondering how the bot works |
| 04:56.24 | Remmy | Is the debian.org website down for anyone else? |
| 04:56.33 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 04:56.34 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 04:56.34 | kapil | ootput: i haven't tried this myself so i can't say for sure. |
| 04:56.41 | SimonRaven | defenestrate: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 04:56.43 | MasterPi | Remmy: it was really slow for me earlier |
| 04:56.49 | ootput | Remmy: no sir |
| 04:56.52 | MasterPi | beardy: sorry |
| 04:57.06 | Remmy | MasterPi: I tried to access it before bed, now waking up, I still can't seem to reach it |
| 04:57.13 | Remmy | Hmm... ok |
| 04:57.19 | defenestrate | remmy: only for you. god is shitting on you, and you alone. |
| 04:57.26 | ootput | Remmy: try 192.25.206.10 |
| 04:57.27 | defenestrate | remmy: not that you're a bad person or whatever |
| 04:57.39 | Remmy | defenestrate: We all have them days |
| 04:57.41 | defenestrate | simon: 'k lemme look |
| 04:57.46 | ootput | defenestrate: shit-target randomly chosen? |
| 04:57.53 | ootput | spin-the-wheel in heaven? |
| 04:58.14 | MasterPi | Remmy: i got it but it took an uber-long time to do the Lookup |
| 04:58.24 | MasterPi | Remmy: urs might be timing out |
| 04:58.31 | SimonRaven | kernel.domainname= kernel.hostname= |
| 04:58.40 | beardy | CoDeX: Start reading it's documentation. |
| 04:58.42 | Remmy | MasterPi: It is pretty quicx saying it can't reach the host |
| 04:58.44 | defenestrate | simonraven: this is new for me |
| 04:58.44 | corvette | ok it's installed, how do I run KDE |
| 04:58.52 | jcwong | Is base-config pacakge been removed from sid? |
| 04:58.56 | corvette | because it's still booting in a non gui |
| 04:58.58 | defenestrate | sysctl <--- how old is? |
| 04:59.01 | SimonRaven | though usually it's gotten from /etc/hosts and /etc/hostanem, depending on the app |
| 04:59.06 | SimonRaven | name* |
| 04:59.09 | beardy | corvette: What have you installed? X and KDE? |
| 04:59.13 | defenestrate | corvette: what do you mean still booting in nongui? |
| 04:59.21 | defenestrate | corvette: is X running? |
| 04:59.26 | SimonRaven | startx |
| 04:59.27 | defenestrate | corvette: do you know? |
| 04:59.37 | defenestrate | corvette: what simon said |
| 04:59.39 | corvette | kde and x-window-system |
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| 04:59.53 | corvette | I installed both |
| 05:00.03 | corvette | but when I boot it still gives me a console |
| 05:00.04 | EdLin | corvette: "startx" |
| 05:00.06 | corvette | thanks |
| 05:00.06 | Remmy | Since I can't reach that nice package thing on the site, can anyone tell me what pacakage contains libhk_kdeclasses.so ? |
| 05:00.18 | defenestrate | hey, when did sysctl come to be? |
| 05:00.19 | EdLin | corvette: SimonRaven mentioned it first |
| 05:00.24 | beardy | corvette: Do you want a graphical login-screen that comes up on boot, or do you want to login and then start X from a shell? |
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| 05:00.46 | corvette | Failed to initalize core devices |
| 05:00.56 | CoDeX | beardy , when u install phpmyadmin u get /var/www/phpmyadmin that links in ->/usr/share/phpmyadmin |
| 05:00.57 | defenestrate | corvette: you may have to configure X |
| 05:01.08 | SimonRaven | defenestrate: sysctl -p activates changes made to the conf; however some of them won't take effect until a reboot |
| 05:01.15 | beardy | corvette: You probably have kdm installed already, you have to configure X now. |
| 05:01.15 | CoDeX | and with phpgroupware i didnt take it |
| 05:01.16 | defenestrate | corvette: that error message means it doesn't know what mouse/kbd you have |
| 05:01.23 | SimonRaven | (or init 1; init 2) |
| 05:01.27 | beardy | !drxx corvette |
| 05:01.27 | dpkg | corvette: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:01.53 | corvette | thanks |
| 05:02.25 | beardy | corvette: What graphics card do you have? |
| 05:02.48 | joseph | Hello, would anyone be able to help me figure out why sound does not work in America's Army or in Neverwinter Nights? Thanks. |
| 05:03.02 | MasterPi | joseph: under wine? |
| 05:03.21 | beardy | joseph: Have you tried searching the web? |
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| 05:04.06 | dondelelcaro | [D |
| 05:04.12 | defenestrate | corvette: time was that getting X to work was a real pain in the ass. but the current version of XF86 and the configuration tools make it possible to do without dealing with the config file. |
| 05:04.22 | justin_ | defenestrate: i edited /etc/hostname and i rebooted and now it show the name i wanted thanks for the help |
| 05:04.43 | defenestrate | corvette: the config file you will find at /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 , I believe |
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| 05:05.39 | beardy | defenestrate: He doesn't need to know that, he probably has enough on his mind :) |
| 05:05.46 | defenestrate | justin_: that is probably an old, and non-cannonical way of doing that. check out sysctl (5) and also sysctl.conf in the man/ info pages |
| 05:05.57 | defenestrate | justin_: but you're welcome |
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| 05:07.02 | defenestrate | beardy: so much better these days. there were years in college (1994-1998) that I would have loved to have get X and sound working under linux (slackware and then debian). things are getting easier to use, thank goodness. |
| 05:07.21 | defenestrate | re harshal, snake-eyes |
| 05:08.02 | Snake-Eyes | ? |
| 05:08.05 | defenestrate | now if I get the printer to work, I'll be thrilled, absolutely |
| 05:08.09 | defenestrate | snake: hi |
| 05:08.21 | Snake-Eyes | defenestrate, hey |
| 05:08.25 | SimonRaven | certainly /etc/hostname should match what's in sysctl.conf ;) |
| 05:09.08 | corvette | beardy Nvidia 5200 |
| 05:09.14 | beardy | defenestrate: Yes, they are. |
| 05:09.18 | ppcthug | hello, I'm trying to install nvidia drivers for my old tnt2 graphics card, I downloaded the drivers, stoped x using the gdm stop command thingy, but it can't find a kernel interface on my computer or online, it asked for the kernel source so it could compile one, so I downloaded what I think is the kernel source for the version of kernel I have 2.6.8, off of synaptic, but the installer can't seem to find it |
| 05:09.43 | atrus | any suggestions on getting agp/dri working on an asus k8n? worked fine on the previous motherboard, but the nvidia-agp module leaves Xorg saying: (WW) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP not available |
| 05:09.44 | atrus | ; (EE) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP failed to initialize. Disabling the DRI. |
| 05:09.46 | EdLin | defenestrate: apsfilter is the easiest way to set up lpr that I know of. |
| 05:09.48 | beardy | corvette: Ok. For now, use the vesa driver. |
| 05:10.03 | EdLin | defenestrate: install it, then go to /usr/share/apsfilter and run ./SETUP |
| 05:10.11 | corvette | how do I do that? |
| 05:10.13 | beardy | corvette: Sorry, the nv driver. |
| 05:10.17 | *** part/#debian Remmy (n=remmy@remmy.xs4all.nl) |
| 05:10.19 | corvette | I did |
| 05:10.22 | corvette | I chose that driver |
| 05:10.24 | defenestrate | edlin: yar. |
| 05:10.25 | beardy | corvette: Good :) |
| 05:10.27 | corvette | it asks me a bunch of other questions, like bus |
| 05:10.29 | corvette | I just left them blank |
| 05:10.38 | beardy | corvette: Also good. |
| 05:10.44 | defenestrate | edlin: I tried cups so now I'll go try apsfilter |
| 05:10.50 | MasterPi | ppcthug: u should only nead the headers i think, but check the architecture as well |
| 05:11.00 | beardy | corvette: You usually don't have to fill them in. |
| 05:11.15 | beardy | corvette: Are you done with dpkg-reconfigure now? |
| 05:11.22 | corvette | For keyboard layout it has Pc104 |
| 05:11.28 | MasterPi | ppcthug: what arc arch are u running? ppc? |
| 05:11.33 | corvette | is that good? |
| 05:11.47 | corvette | 104 different keys I guess |
| 05:12.01 | defenestrate | corvette: the thing about all these tools, see, is that the same X that you are now setting up could also drive an ATM, a touchscreen in a museum, or even an interactive voice system (god forbid). the tradeoff with configurability is ease of use. |
| 05:12.05 | EdLin | !tell MasterPi about u |
| 05:12.15 | beardy | corvette: If that is what you have, and if you entered that it should work fine. |
| 05:12.32 | corvette | for mouse port it says /dev/input/mice |
| 05:12.37 | beardy | corvette: You don't have to reboot, don't reboot. Just restart X. |
| 05:12.39 | SimonRaven | !tell ppcthug -about nvidia one-liner |
| 05:12.44 | SimonRaven | !tell ppcthug -about nvidia howto |
| 05:12.57 | corvette | (yeah but when I do it still gives me an error, I think the error is with the mouse) |
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| 05:13.22 | defenestrate | !tell defenestrate -about debian releases |
| 05:13.32 | beardy | corvette: To restart X, run '/etc/init.d/kdm restart' (kdm, xdm, gdm, and so on are display managers, that provide the graphical login among other things) |
| 05:13.52 | SimonRaven | there's no point in using '-about' to yourself. use /msg |
| 05:13.59 | corvette | thanks |
| 05:14.01 | beardy | corvette: Ok, dpkg-reconfigure once more then. |
| 05:14.09 | ppcthug | oh so there is more to nvidias installation guide than just that one page... >_< |
| 05:14.17 | SimonRaven | fyi |
| 05:14.45 | defenestrate | what a waste I am! |
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| 05:15.04 | Borg^Queen | Hi people. What's a good UI for beagle? |
| 05:15.05 | defenestrate | nice |
| 05:15.27 | EdLin | Borg^Queen: apt-get remove --purge beagle |
| 05:15.27 | MasterPi | Borg^Queen: the default one =P |
| 05:15.30 | beardy | corvette: What type of mouse do you have? |
| 05:15.32 | SimonRaven | beardy: eh? |
| 05:15.36 | SimonRaven | beardy: oops |
| 05:15.39 | beardy | SimonRaven: ? |
| 05:15.42 | beardy | heh |
| 05:15.44 | SimonRaven | Borg^Queen: eh? |
| 05:15.50 | SimonRaven | beardy: wrong tab |
| 05:15.56 | corvette | just a regular serial mouse |
| 05:15.56 | beardy | SimonRaven: I got it :) |
| 05:16.03 | SimonRaven | :) |
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| 05:16.17 | nekostar | i just installed etch and all... |
| 05:16.22 | SimonRaven | irssi's completion is nice, but isn't perfect ;) |
| 05:16.26 | nekostar | it said it found no audio devices...l. |
| 05:16.30 | beardy | corvette: Is it attached to the first serialport of your machine? |
| 05:16.49 | Borg^Queen | none of those answers were helpful |
| 05:16.52 | MasterPi | nekostar: what card do you have? |
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| 05:17.25 | SimonRaven | Borg^Queen: considering the question, i'm not too surprised, frankly. maybe if you explained what you meant we'd be better able to help |
| 05:17.33 | nekostar | should be using either the onboard audio or a soundblaster i plugged in |
| 05:17.39 | corvette | just the regular mouse port |
| 05:17.45 | corvette | Next to the keyboard port |
| 05:17.54 | Borg^Queen | SimonRaven: the question is simple. To make it any clearer to you I'd need crayons |
| 05:17.55 | corvette | The same one all computers have |
| 05:18.02 | beardy | corvette: Then it's a ps2 mouse, not a serial mouse. |
| 05:18.08 | corvette | yeah |
| 05:18.21 | SimonRaven | Borg^Queen: no need for the sarcasm, i wasn't being so |
| 05:18.31 | MasterPi | Borg^Queen: the only one i know of is 'best' and it's installed with the deb package |
| 05:18.36 | beardy | corvette: ps2 uses /dev/psaux (? or has udev or something changed that) |
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| 05:18.52 | Borg^Queen | MasterPi: thanks. SimonRaven Then I apologize. |
| 05:18.54 | nprice | Hey, can someone help me with installing debian-amd64 using a sata cdrom? there is no 2.4 series kernel on the install cd and the 2.6 kernel doesn't play nicely with sata cdroms (same with pretty much every 2.6 debian kernel i've tried in the past) |
| 05:18.56 | corvette | thanks so much |
| 05:19.03 | MasterPi | nekostar: what interface? isapnp, or pci? |
| 05:19.08 | raf256 | how to allow only user foo to mount /bar ? |
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| 05:19.34 | raf256 | l |
| 05:19.35 | wwallace | chown raf256 ? |
| 05:19.41 | beardy | corvette: /etc/init.d/kdm restart worked before? |
| 05:19.41 | raf256 | damn, wrong window sorry |
| 05:19.48 | raf256 | wwallace: chown? |
| 05:19.52 | SimonRaven | Borg^Queen: np. |
| 05:19.54 | wwallace | i think |
| 05:19.57 | beardy | corvette: I mean, it didn't say that it wasn't found? |
| 05:20.00 | joseph | Hello, would anyone be able to help me figure out why sound does not work in America's Army or in Neverwinter Nights? Thanks. |
| 05:20.02 | EdLin | raf256: sudo |
| 05:20.02 | nekostar | i dont know the interface for the onboard but the soundblaster is pci |
| 05:20.04 | raf256 | I thought about /etc/fstab option |
| 05:20.04 | corvette | It WORKS!!!! |
| 05:20.05 | corvette | THANKS |
| 05:20.07 | corvette | IT WORKS!!!! |
| 05:20.12 | beardy | corvette: Great. :) |
| 05:20.15 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 05:20.16 | raf256 | EdLin: hmm actually. ok |
| 05:20.17 | rendi | hi can i download eAccelerator with apt-get ?? |
| 05:20.20 | curt | a package maintainer says "due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive" and this contains a bug fix needed to run the program. how long could thins take? |
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| 05:20.27 | defenestrate | corvette: congratulations |
| 05:20.32 | rendi | but i can't find on apt-cache search eAccelerator |
| 05:20.36 | SimonRaven | download accelerators don't |
| 05:20.39 | MasterPi | nekostar: ok they both are then, holdup |
| 05:20.40 | defenestrate | corvette: now you get to choose which windowing system you would most like |
| 05:20.42 | EdLin | raf256: sudo is specifically designed to deal with that. |
| 05:20.46 | amicrawle | how do i change res on sarg? |
| 05:20.48 | raf256 | rendi: CaSe |
| 05:20.51 | corvette | thanks |
| 05:20.53 | nekostar | ok |
| 05:20.58 | rendi | SimonRaven not "download accelerators" |
| 05:20.58 | amicrawle | it is set to 640x420 |
| 05:20.58 | corvette | I've messed with the GUI on other distributions |
| 05:21.01 | nekostar | sarge usually detects them fine too.. |
| 05:21.05 | rendi | but eAccelerator |
| 05:21.10 | raf256 | but indeed no "eaccel" is in dfault repos |
| 05:21.15 | corvette | So I know a little about it |
| 05:21.17 | MasterPi | ok |
| 05:21.17 | corvette | but not that much |
| 05:21.20 | corvette | thanks |
| 05:21.25 | defenestrate | corvette: remember that the real power of linux/unix is the command line, and that you can always get to it via an xterminal, or using alt-ctl-f{1,2,3,4,5,6} |
| 05:21.29 | SimonRaven | rendi: what they do is open more than one connection to the server. it doesn't do anything. the bandwidth is still limited by what it is at the server end, in between, and at your end. |
| 05:21.32 | wwallace | corvette: so you really have one? |
| 05:21.40 | beardy | corvette: Ok, that's good, that you know that there exists a great number of other graphical environments other than kde and gnome. |
| 05:21.47 | curt | was that a silly question |
| 05:21.53 | SimonRaven | rendi: ok, my bad. what is this thing then? |
| 05:21.53 | defenestrate | corvette: windowmaker is fun, kde is good, but try windowmaker |
| 05:22.00 | corvette | cool |
| 05:22.03 | corvette | I want something light actually |
| 05:22.05 | corvette | light and easy |
| 05:22.19 | beardy | But try what you want, and decide for yourself. |
| 05:22.21 | SimonRaven | wmaker is light and easy |
| 05:22.22 | rendi | ok SimonRaven wait |
| 05:22.24 | corvette | KDE and Gnome tend to be too much |
| 05:22.29 | wwallace | corvette: so you really have one? |
| 05:22.35 | SimonRaven | there are about 20-30 wms so have fun ;) |
| 05:22.40 | defenestrate | why can't the wmaker package maintainers make debian menu-creation work for windowmaker users? |
| 05:22.45 | EdLin | corvette: openbox is pretty good. Horrid XML config files but the "menu" and "obconf" packages means you don't have to deal with them often. |
| 05:22.59 | corvette | I have KDe now working |
| 05:23.09 | SimonRaven | defenestrate: i bet the DDs will say something like "bitch to upstream" |
| 05:23.11 | corvette | I'll try to install a bunch of them and see what I like |
| 05:23.12 | corvette | thanks |
| 05:23.12 | defenestrate | corvette: kde is very useful. but good comparisons would be Evolution and windowmaker |
| 05:23.22 | corvette | Let me write this down |
| 05:23.24 | defenestrate | do apt-get install wmaker |
| 05:23.31 | beardy | corvette: And you don't need to remove it, just install something else if you want to try, kdm let's you choose which one to run. |
| 05:23.39 | EdLin | defenestrate: you mean "enlightenment", evolution is a mail client |
| 05:23.48 | corvette | yep |
| 05:23.50 | corvette | I know |
| 05:23.51 | defenestrate | corvette: you can install them all, and switch back and forth during your X session without a problem. |
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| 05:23.53 | corvette | HD is so cheap now it doesn't matter |
| 05:23.58 | beardy | corvette: :) |
| 05:24.00 | defenestrate | edlin: yeah, that one |
| 05:24.02 | MasterPi | neko: try sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1x |
| 05:24.08 | SimonRaven | corvette: hint: quickie stickie notes: echo "some text here" > to_some_file |
| 05:24.14 | rendi | apt-get install eAccelerator |
| 05:24.15 | rendi | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 05:24.15 | rendi | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 05:24.15 | rendi | Package eaccelerator is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 05:24.15 | defenestrate | corvette: I meant "enlightenment" |
| 05:24.24 | corvette | thanks SO much, everyone has been great |
| 05:24.39 | wwallace | hey corvette |
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| 05:24.49 | wwallace | do you have one or not? |
| 05:24.58 | SimonRaven | !tell rendi -about paste |
| 05:25.00 | EdLin | defenestrate: windowmaker is especially nice if you use and develop GNUstep software with it. GNUstep is broken in sid but works fine in Sarge.... |
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| 05:25.19 | wwallace | !paste |
| 05:25.19 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 05:25.27 | SimonRaven | EdLin: new stuff that not all of it is in yet |
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| 05:25.39 | joseph | Need help with sound on a game. Get this error: "open /dev/[sound/]dsp: No such file or directory |
| 05:25.39 | joseph | " |
| 05:25.51 | rendi | SimonRaven can help me about that |
| 05:25.55 | JoelMax | hi i have 2 question? 1 how copy my system linux on dvd or cd? 2 how change the languaje the kernel? |
| 05:25.59 | EdLin | SimonRaven: yes, I know... |
| 05:25.59 | corvette | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:26.01 | corvette | thanks |
| 05:26.03 | wwallace | no |
| 05:26.06 | wwallace | a corvette |
| 05:26.10 | corvette | Oh no |
| 05:26.11 | corvette | sorry |
| 05:26.15 | corvette | I want one |
| 05:26.15 | wwallace | ok |
| 05:26.16 | beardy | JoelMax: Which is your native language? |
| 05:26.17 | corvette | but don't have one |
| 05:26.18 | corvette | :( |
| 05:26.24 | JoelMax | portugues |
| 05:26.24 | wwallace | some day |
| 05:26.26 | EdLin | !tell corvette about enter |
| 05:26.29 | JoelMax | no |
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| 05:26.32 | wwallace | !enter |
| 05:26.32 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 05:26.34 | JoelMax | spanish |
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| 05:26.40 | SimonRaven | EdibleText: :) |
| 05:26.43 | rendi | !info eAccelerator |
| 05:26.43 | EdLin | oops |
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| 05:26.46 | corvette | Sorry |
| 05:26.48 | SimonRaven | grr |
| 05:26.51 | wwallace | EdLin: :) |
| 05:26.52 | JoelMax | my current kernel is portugues |
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| 05:27.10 | rendi | Package 'eaccelerator' does not exist. ?? |
| 05:27.17 | SimonRaven | EdLin: don't leave when i'm tabbing your nick :P |
| 05:27.20 | defenestrate | edlin: you know, I've never written anything with a gui interface. is gnustep like a rapid development tool--> gtk? |
| 05:27.30 | ludi | Hello, I need help getting sound to work in America's Army and Nevewinter Nights. |
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| 05:27.45 | EdLin | SimonRaven: I was trying to close another window and did it here instead. |
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| 05:27.56 | snowman | greetings, anyone here know anything about setting up a laserjet 1012 USB in the latest stable debian? |
| 05:27.58 | SimonRaven | oops :) |
| 05:28.06 | EdLin | defenestrate: it has gorm, which is the best open source RAD tool I know. |
| 05:28.10 | beardy | JoelMax: If you feel it easier to ask/talk in portugues, #debian-br exists. |
| 05:28.36 | JoelMax | i dont know portugues |
| 05:28.55 | JoelMax | my native languege is spanish |
| 05:29.03 | beardy | Oh :) |
| 05:29.04 | wwallace | ok |
| 05:29.09 | |ryan| | there's #debian-es for that |
| 05:29.09 | wwallace | #debian-es |
| 05:29.10 | beardy | JoelMax: #debian-es then |
| 05:29.11 | EdLin | !es |
| 05:29.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:29.15 | JoelMax | ok |
| 05:29.26 | wwallace | gracias senores |
| 05:29.33 | wwallace | por favor ir al debian-es |
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| 05:29.37 | wwallace | muchas gracias |
| 05:29.42 | wwallace | arriba arriba |
| 05:29.46 | MasterPi | lol |
| 05:29.50 | rendi | SimonRaven read this this is what i mean http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=49995.0 |
| 05:29.57 | JoelMax | i have knoppix |
| 05:29.59 | ootput | andale? |
| 05:30.00 | MasterPi | JoelMax: how do they say lol in spanish? i've always wondered |
| 05:30.02 | JoelMax | that work |
| 05:30.06 | snowman | been trying to get this stupid printer up and happy via cups and the kde printing tool, and not sure if it's even seeing it. |
| 05:30.12 | wwallace | oh my god JoelMax #knoppix |
| 05:30.14 | ootput | el-lol-erino |
| 05:30.17 | EdLin | JoelMax: #knoppix |
| 05:30.34 | wwallace | #kanotix JoelMax |
| 05:30.42 | callan | Does xfree86 have something like startx? Or is that already in it? |
| 05:30.45 | wwallace | they will never help ypu in #knoppix noone there |
| 05:30.53 | ootput | callan: x-window-system |
| 05:31.02 | EdLin | defenestrate: it's only drawback is that the apps it makes look like they belong on a NeXT cube, though I don't view that poorly. :) |
| 05:31.05 | callan | Ok thanks, just installing that now. |
| 05:31.30 | JoelMax | somebody toll me is same the debian |
| 05:31.43 | JoelMax | i new in linux |
| 05:31.45 | wwallace | JoelMax: you gonna get flamed |
| 05:31.49 | Whistleboy | I can |
| 05:31.56 | EdLin | !knoppix |
| 05:31.56 | wwallace | i told you got o #kanotix |
| 05:31.57 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 05:32.06 | wwallace | they will help you there JoelMax |
| 05:32.13 | mtnman | callan: startx is in xbase-clients |
| 05:32.13 | nite613 | Was there a recent upgrade in etch that would mess with Java/GTK apps? Azureus has recently stopped working for me entirely :( |
| 05:32.17 | Whistleboy | I can't seem to find a combination of kernel and nvidia drivers that works - is there anywhere that known combinations are listed? |
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| 05:32.38 | snowman | so nobody else here with a laserjet then? |
| 05:32.42 | MasterPi | !tell whistleboy about nvidia howto |
| 05:32.43 | valdyn | nite613: yea i guess |
| 05:32.56 | beardy | !nvidia one-liner |
| 05:32.56 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 05:33.02 | nite613 | valdyn: throw me a clue ;) |
| 05:33.05 | wwallace | room asl? |
| 05:33.11 | Whistleboy | I have tried those, but can |
| 05:33.18 | EdLin | !room |
| 05:33.18 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 05:33.19 | Whistleboy | t seem to get a combination that is the same version |
| 05:33.22 | JoelMax | ok |
| 05:33.24 | wwallace | ha ha ha ha |
| 05:33.30 | wwallace | !channel |
| 05:33.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, channel is This refers to the group of resellers that supply most companies with software, hardware, and support. The channel is a force to be reckoned with, and it competes directly against companies like Gateway 2000 and Dell. A channel can also be a content container, like a television channel. You may be watching TV channels on the Internet someday. |
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| 05:33.48 | valdyn | nite613: i didnt fix it.. there's 2 swt packages, differently named, providing quite the same stuff, guess one that azureus depends on is going to be removed |
| 05:33.51 | beardy | !factinfo channel |
| 05:33.51 | dpkg | channel -- it has been requested 38 times, last by sward at Sun Nov 27 09:05:21 2005. |
| 05:33.59 | beardy | bah |
| 05:34.06 | callan | Neat bot. |
| 05:34.10 | ootput | guess he wasn't the last |
| 05:34.12 | defenestrate | edlin: I really want to know how to program gui apps. the compsci courses (I and II) I took were partially disappointing because they didn't teach us to make useful, pretty things. |
| 05:34.16 | valdyn | nite613: you can just use the upstream installer though |
| 05:34.23 | raden | s there a console command to free memory ? |
| 05:34.35 | snowman | :\ |
| 05:34.47 | TermaKill | kill |
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| 05:34.52 | nite613 | valdyn: upstream installer for what? I'm running sun's java and a pristine copy of Az from the website. Do you mean the upstream swt lib? |
| 05:34.58 | EdLin | defenestrate: another good way to make GUI aps is Tk, part of Tcl or part of other scripting languages. |
| 05:35.00 | defenestrate | raden: try top |
| 05:35.04 | JoelMax | #kanotix |
| 05:35.15 | valdyn | nite613: oh, i did mean the azureus from that website |
| 05:35.17 | raden | defenestrate, that just shows info |
| 05:35.21 | beardy | !free memory |
| 05:35.21 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 05:35.25 | valdyn | nite613: that is not what is broken for you though? |
| 05:35.31 | MasterPi | defenstrate: glade / glade-- is nice but is slightly broken in testing with anjuta versions |
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| 05:35.49 | TermaKill | top then kill thje pid |
| 05:35.57 | defenestrate | raden: it shows info, but you can kill or nice things, too. |
| 05:36.05 | EdLin | defenestrate: some people say they like qtdesigner |
| 05:36.09 | Paivakil | snowman: http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi%3Frecnum%3DHP-LaserJet_1012&e=9797 |
| 05:36.10 | MasterPi | Edlin: tk is ugly tho |
| 05:36.11 | defenestrate | raden: it shows what the top memory or cpu users are |
| 05:36.23 | raden | true but i barely running anything |
| 05:36.27 | EdLin | MasterPi: it can be made to approach looking decent. |
| 05:36.40 | EdLin | MasterPi: take a look at tkman, for example |
| 05:36.41 | MasterPi | Edlin: key word is approach |
| 05:36.43 | nite613 | valdyn: I don't understand. Yes, Azureus (latest update from the site) is broken (using latest JRE 1.5). The errors I get mention .swt., so I think you're onto the problem. Any idea how I could fix it? |
| 05:36.44 | beardy | raden: How much ram do you have? |
| 05:36.57 | TermaKill | is this a good mobo? |
| 05:36.58 | TermaKill | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813153035 |
| 05:37.06 | rendi | hi what deb site for search package |
| 05:37.19 | Paivakil | rendi: packages.debian.org |
| 05:37.20 | valdyn | nite613: no idea, i though you were talking about the debian azureus package |
| 05:37.29 | rendi | thanks Paivakil |
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| 05:37.44 | nite613 | valdyn: Didn't even know there was one! :) |
| 05:37.47 | valdyn | nite613: the problem shouldnt be swt directly anyway, since the upstream package includes swt |
| 05:37.52 | defenestrate | raden: and lets you kill what is too much |
| 05:37.55 | valdyn | !info azureus sid |
| 05:37.57 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.3.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4921 kB, Installed size: 5572 kB |
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| 05:38.02 | valdyn | !info azureus etch |
| 05:38.03 | MasterPi | defenstrate: i like NetBeans, as well |
| 05:38.07 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.3.0.6-1 (etch), Packaged size: 4921 kB, Installed size: 5572 kB |
| 05:38.17 | raden | beardy, 2 GB |
| 05:38.22 | beardy | raden: Run 'free -m' and copy and paste the line with "-/+ buffers/cache:" on it here. |
| 05:38.26 | Whistleboy | anyone running nvidia drivers, and if so, what version? (I can't get 8178 running - is that too new?) |
| 05:38.33 | nite613 | valdyn: Hmm,m maybe I'll try those :P |
| 05:38.44 | rendi | The Debian search engine has been disabled for now. We're working on it |
| 05:38.46 | rendi | blah |
| 05:39.04 | valdyn | Whistleboy: if you are using nvidia's installer ( which is evil to do in debian ), ask nvidia support channels |
| 05:39.25 | beardy | raden: What does the machine do? |
| 05:39.41 | EdLin | Whistleboy: if you're using a TNT2 or an old/low-end GeForce card you need to run 7174 |
| 05:39.42 | MasterPi | valdyn: they didn't work to bad for me |
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| 05:39.49 | Whistleboy | I am trying to do it the Debian way (~andrex) |
| 05:40.00 | Whistleboy | EdLin: a 6200 |
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| 05:40.26 | valdyn | MasterPi: i bet i could remove every 10th program in /usr/bin/ too and that 'wouldn't work bad for me', doesnt mean its good ;) |
| 05:40.30 | EdLin | Whistleboy: I'm not familiar enough with nVidia's product line to know what a 6200 is. |
| 05:40.40 | EdLin | Whistleboy: nvidia has good forums, search there. |
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| 05:41.26 | raden | beardy im outta ram running on swap and nothing running |
| 05:41.38 | raden | beardy ill paste it |
| 05:41.39 | snowman | Paivakil: tried that.. |
| 05:41.42 | snowman | no go. |
| 05:41.45 | valdyn | raden: 'free' |
| 05:41.51 | MasterPi | !tell raden about paste |
| 05:42.04 | valdyn | raden: how are you defining 'outta ram' ? |
| 05:42.07 | Lavinci | need a good dual proc mobo reccomendation, cheap cheap cheap!!! |
| 05:42.09 | raden | MasterPi, I know about astebin :P |
| 05:42.17 | raden | Tyan |
| 05:42.20 | Lavinci | model |
| 05:42.25 | beardy | raden: Please run and paste what I told you. |
| 05:42.34 | valdyn | Lavinci: dual core is probably cheap, not dual proc =/ |
| 05:42.41 | nekostar | so MasterPi any clues for me here? |
| 05:42.54 | Lavinci | ok, which dual core |
| 05:43.04 | MasterPi | neko: i msged u |
| 05:43.14 | Paivakil | snowman: you may need latest versions of cupsys-driver-gutenprint |
| 05:43.26 | nite613 | Hmm, I want to install azureus from apt, and but it depends on java2-runtime which is unavailable. It just so happens that I have jre_1.5.0_04 installed by hand. Can I force the install, or tell apt that java2-runtime is satisfied? |
| 05:43.35 | nekostar | o crappo yeah see it now sorry |
| 05:43.46 | valdyn | nite613: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 05:43.48 | MasterPi | neko: np |
| 05:43.57 | TermaKill | can someone recomend a good cheap pci express graphics card,something around 60 bucks? |
| 05:44.00 | raden | beardy, working on it cant copy paste xterm installing another console |
| 05:44.16 | raden | TermaKill, XFX |
| 05:44.16 | nekostar | modprobe not found/ |
| 05:44.26 | valdyn | raden: you can cut and paste with xterm |
| 05:44.26 | Paivakil | snowman: btw, does the usb system recognise the printer - (use lsusb) |
| 05:44.29 | MasterPi | neko: did u use sudo? |
| 05:44.31 | TermaKill | thanks raden |
| 05:44.38 | nite613 | valdyn: thanks |
| 05:44.38 | raden | valdyn, you want too tell me how ? |
| 05:44.49 | defenestrate | what is the best way to find all packages related to lpr that are installed on my machine? |
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| 05:44.56 | valdyn | raden: mark something in your xterm, hit middle mouse button to paste |
| 05:44.58 | nekostar | used su and now it works |
| 05:45.02 | raden | valdyn, 7 linux machines cant soo it on anything |
| 05:45.06 | MasterPi | neko: k |
| 05:45.28 | TermaKill | raden: will I have 3d acceleration with that card? |
| 05:45.33 | nekostar | so how can i get that to load all the time? |
| 05:45.35 | raden | oh yeah |
| 05:45.37 | TermaKill | sweet |
| 05:45.39 | raden | TermaKill, yeah |
| 05:45.44 | TermaKill | thanks dude |
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| 05:45.45 | nekostar | and i still dont see a sysvolume thingie,, |
| 05:45.49 | rendi | what command to extract eaccelerator-0.9.4-rc1.tar.bz2 ? |
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| 05:45.57 | MasterPi | neko: is your card actually working now? |
| 05:45.57 | rendi | gunzip ? |
| 05:46.02 | zyros | is debian cool? |
| 05:46.03 | Phated | Man tar? |
| 05:46.11 | valdyn | zyros: no |
| 05:46.12 | beardy | rendi: into tar |
| 05:46.21 | zyros | valdyn, why not? |
| 05:46.21 | rendi | tar -zxvf ?? |
| 05:46.28 | TermaKill | zyros: debian is the best |
| 05:46.30 | MasterPi | zyros: debian is teh 1337 |
| 05:46.30 | Phated | -jxvf. |
| 05:46.30 | defenestrate | zyros: debian is so uncool, it is tragically unhip, duude. |
| 05:46.37 | defenestrate | zyros: just like me :) |
| 05:46.45 | zyros | lol |
| 05:46.45 | nekostar | hum |
| 05:46.54 | zyros | i use slackware now |
| 05:46.58 | nekostar | restarted my userlogin and it still doesnt see the elements for sound.. |
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| 05:47.17 | beardy | or -xvf --bzip2 |
| 05:47.22 | MasterPi | neko: but are you getting output? |
| 05:47.29 | Phated | Yeh. |
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| 05:47.50 | MasterPi | neko: and what desktop are you using? |
| 05:47.56 | TermaKill | im thinking of getting this motherboard,what do you guys think?Is this a good brand? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813153035 |
| 05:48.01 | colk_ | xvjf works as well |
| 05:48.07 | rendi | !info php4-eaccelerator |
| 05:48.19 | nekostar | atholon xp 2000+ 1 gig ram |
| 05:48.30 | raden | beardy, ttp://pastebin.com/488289 |
| 05:48.34 | EdLin | zyros: Debian is a real productivty booster over slackware |
| 05:48.39 | MasterPi | neko: sorry, i meant software desktop, gnome, kde, etc |
| 05:48.42 | colk_ | TermaKill, you already have a 754 chip? |
| 05:48.46 | TermaKill | no |
| 05:49.02 | TermaKill | but i only have 250 bucks to spend |
| 05:49.08 | rendi | !info turck-mmcache |
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| 05:49.14 | dpkg | turck-mmcache: (precompiler and cache to improve performance of PHP scripts), section web, is optional. Version: 2.4.6-14 (sid), Packaged size: 87 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 05:49.17 | TermaKill | so i can only afford the 754 chip right now |
| 05:49.19 | valdyn | raden: so most of your ram is free |
| 05:49.42 | rendi | E: Couldn't find package turck-mmcache |
| 05:49.54 | valdyn | raden: ops, not 'most', but plenty anyway |
| 05:49.56 | rendi | can some one give me repos |
| 05:49.56 | nekostar | ah |
| 05:50.03 | rendi | !repos |
| 05:50.04 | nekostar | just did a gnome install |
| 05:50.28 | raden | valdyn, whatever works i guess |
| 05:50.31 | snowman | I have that updated via apt-get |
| 05:50.41 | MasterPi | neko: ok, so are you getting sound output? and what are you using for the volume? |
| 05:50.41 | valdyn | !swap |
| 05:50.41 | dpkg | swap is, like, still a useful and good thing to have, even with lots of available memory: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 05:50.45 | hammerabi | rendi: that's not useful unless you show us your /etc/apt/sources.listin #flood |
| 05:51.06 | snowman | not sure if it's even detected in the usb devices. any way to check that? |
| 05:51.21 | colk_ | I dont think jetway is a good brand |
| 05:51.26 | defenestrate | is synaptic any good? |
| 05:51.29 | TermaKill | it isnt? |
| 05:51.39 | Paivakil | snowman: what is your version hpijs? gutenprint? |
| 05:51.41 | TermaKill | i really have no clue |
| 05:51.41 | MasterPi | defenstrate: its pretty nice, if u have good system resources |
| 05:51.44 | valdyn | raden: swap is used according to (your or default) settings dependent on available ram and page usage, not 'never as long as ram is available' |
| 05:51.45 | beardy | raden: You have 751MB free. |
| 05:51.56 | Guerin | defenestrate: it's a bit weak |
| 05:52.00 | Guerin | not a patch on aptitude |
| 05:52.18 | nekostar | ive no clue what stuff for sound |
| 05:52.19 | Paivakil | rendi: apt-setup |
| 05:52.25 | nekostar | and i get zero sound currently |
| 05:52.34 | MasterPi | nekostar: ok |
| 05:52.36 | nekostar | though i know it works under ubuntu then under sarge |
| 05:52.47 | nekostar | its etch that didnt see it for some reason? |
| 05:52.52 | MasterPi | nekostar: do u have a ubuntu live cd? |
| 05:52.54 | rendi | hammerabi i'm paste there |
| 05:52.55 | TermaKill | what is a good motherboard brand? |
| 05:52.58 | nekostar | no |
| 05:53.04 | TermaKill | gigabyte? |
| 05:53.05 | MasterPi | neko: can you get one? |
| 05:53.19 | nekostar | er |
| 05:53.20 | MasterPi | neko: or debian? |
| 05:53.22 | nekostar | what for? |
| 05:53.24 | MasterPi | *knoppix |
| 05:53.26 | EdLin | defenestrate: synaptic works, but I prefer aptitude or even dselect to it because it's inflexable. |
| 05:53.37 | nekostar | i have damnsmalllinux live cd |
| 05:53.40 | MasterPi | neko: if it runs under ubuntu, u can lsmod to see which module its using |
| 05:53.51 | MasterPi | does that give u sound? |
| 05:53.55 | nekostar | ah |
| 05:53.55 | EdLin | !u |
| 05:53.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:54.06 | MasterPi | !u suck |
| 05:54.06 | dpkg | i heard suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server |
| 05:54.09 | nekostar | uses the 2.4 kernel so not sure it would be valid |
| 05:54.13 | hammerabi | rendi: presumably it's not in testing |
| 05:54.20 | MasterPi | hmm |
| 05:54.21 | beardy | !lose MasterPi |
| 05:54.22 | dpkg | MasterPi: You Lose. |
| 05:54.24 | MasterPi | could be still tho |
| 05:54.24 | snowman | paivakil: not sure. may I pm? |
| 05:54.26 | hammerabi | !+why is turck-mmcache not in testing? |
| 05:54.26 | dpkg | turck-mmcache is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=turck-mmcache |
| 05:54.48 | MasterPi | meh, im helping someone, give me a break |
| 05:54.59 | hammerabi | rendi: because it's buggy, no less |
| 05:55.03 | Guerin | !break MasterPi |
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| 05:55.22 | MasterPi | =P |
| 05:55.36 | hammerabi | rendi: should install on etch, tho |
| 05:56.04 | rendi | it's for my smf |
| 05:56.04 | Paivakil | snowman: ok |
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| 05:56.22 | SimonRaven | speaking of mambo, it must have some exploit out, 'cause i keep keeping crack attempts asking for /mambo/ and such crap |
| 05:56.35 | SimonRaven | s/keeping/getting/ |
| 05:57.20 | Guerin | whee |
| 05:57.25 | Guerin | broken deps and stuff in sid |
| 05:57.27 | SimonRaven | ....php/mambo/index2.php?_REQUEST[option]=c.... |
| 05:57.29 | Guerin | my favoouriet |
| 05:57.40 | MasterPi | haha broken deps in etch right now |
| 05:57.48 | SimonRaven | eyup, good ol'd sid goodness |
| 05:57.52 | MasterPi | for a week |
| 05:57.59 | Guerin | this is about three months of sid updates |
| 05:58.01 | hammerabi | that's not unusual |
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| 05:58.18 | hammerabi | perl held up libc6 (and thus everything else) for...8 months or something last year |
| 05:58.22 | Guerin | you needn't tell me |
| 05:58.39 | beardy | ~tell Marverick -about root |
| 05:58.56 | beardy | Marverick: Don't irc as root. |
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| 05:59.07 | Guerin | beardy: apt already tod him |
| 05:59.12 | Guerin | and told him, too |
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| 05:59.34 | SimonRaven | your clock's off by 2 minutes |
| 05:59.53 | beardy | Guerin: Hmm, ok. Before he used to shout about it too, that was better IMO. |
| 06:00.24 | TermaKill | can someone please tell me what some good mobo brands are? |
| 06:00.25 | MasterPi | my clock is synced with an ntp server |
| 06:00.38 | beardy | Guerin: Has apt been doing that all the time, since he became quiet about it? |
| 06:00.43 | foampeace | what happens if you cancel a cdrecord during a blank all |
| 06:01.00 | MasterPi | baaad things ;) no i don't know really but thats my guess |
| 06:01.02 | nite613 | valdyn: Alright, |
| 06:01.11 | SimonRaven | so is mine |
| 06:01.26 | MasterPi | hmm maybe i'd better sync again |
| 06:01.55 | MasterPi | 1:01 now? |
| 06:01.57 | Guerin | beardy: sure thing. |
| 06:02.01 | Guerin | beardy: try ircing as root |
| 06:02.07 | nite613 | valdyn: I've installed the latest jre through java package and installed azureus from apt, it behaves the same. I'm guessing the problem has to be with the interface from swt/gtk |
| 06:02.09 | beardy | Guerin: NEVER! :) |
| 06:02.21 | Guerin | beardy: i give you permission ... this once |
| 06:02.25 | SimonRaven | *128.250.36.2 .GPS. 1 u 676 1024 377 258.264 -26.293 8.658 |
| 06:02.26 | Guerin | beardy: and what's your ip? |
| 06:02.30 | SimonRaven | 1:02 |
| 06:02.35 | MasterPi | yeah |
| 06:02.36 | TermaKill | you should try transmission for bittorrent |
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| 06:02.46 | MasterPi | hmm i rebooted not long ago should've updated then |
| 06:02.49 | Guerin | TermaKill: ? |
| 06:02.53 | TermaKill | yes |
| 06:03.08 | foampeace | how long does a cdrecord blank all take |
| 06:03.10 | MasterPi | wow 3 minutes in 5 days |
| 06:03.18 | MasterPi | my clock sux |
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| 06:03.21 | SimonRaven | hmm |
| 06:03.21 | Guerin | TermaKill: why? |
| 06:03.28 | SimonRaven | battery dying? |
| 06:03.33 | MasterPi | mabye |
| 06:03.35 | TermaKill | it uses almost no ram and cpu |
| 06:03.44 | MasterPi | sooo late... |
| 06:03.49 | MasterPi | and hw yet to do... |
| 06:03.52 | Guerin | !info transmission |
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| 06:04.04 | Guerin | <dpkg> Package 'transmission' does not exist. |
| 06:04.09 | foampeace | how do i know if cdrecord blank all is going to take 12hours |
| 06:04.15 | raf256 | it seems I noticed a bug in apt-listbug |
| 06:04.19 | TermaKill | you have to get it from their site |
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| 06:04.33 | beardy | foampeace: Sit still. |
| 06:04.35 | Shaun | is it possible to run debootstrap from a diffrent OS? |
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| 06:04.37 | raf256 | apt-listbug trips on safelib - it makes illegal strcpy call (corrupts own stack) |
| 06:04.43 | Shaun | say i wanted to build a debian image from RHEL/CentOS? |
| 06:04.55 | beardy | foampeace: (and start a timer) |
| 06:04.59 | raf256 | http://pastebin.com/488295 |
| 06:05.06 | Guerin | TermaKill: bah, gui -> worthless |
| 06:05.09 | foampeace | beardy: im relaxing |
| 06:05.16 | TermaKill | there is no gui |
| 06:05.31 | Guerin | TermaKill: that's not what the site says |
| 06:05.40 | Guerin | TermaKill: is it curses, then, or what? |
| 06:05.40 | TermaKill | there is a gui for the osx version |
| 06:05.42 | foampeace | when you have to wait who knows how long its a good time to focus |
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| 06:05.54 | beardy | Shaun: what? |
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| 06:06.14 | biznach | hello |
| 06:06.20 | TermaKill | hello |
| 06:06.32 | Shaun | beardy: i'm using debootstrap to build debian on a image that mounted (looped) |
| 06:06.40 | foampeace | i think wanted to burn a cd though not spend an hour blanking it |
| 06:06.41 | Shaun | right now i have to boot a debian system to do this... |
| 06:06.45 | biznach | I was asking earlier about lpr vs lprng vs cups |
| 06:06.47 | raf256 | to who should I report that bug, is it in apt-listbug or in rugby? |
| 06:07.03 | biznach | any good document to compare all these? |
| 06:07.09 | Shaun | but it would be nice if i didnt have to boot a deb box everytime i wanted to do this... |
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| 06:07.35 | beardy | Shaun: Have you read /msg dpkg debootstrap? |
| 06:07.39 | foampeace | blanking a cd with blank all isnt worth the cost of this cdi dont think |
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| 06:08.19 | beardy | foampeace: fast is usually enough |
| 06:08.34 | TermaKill | im off,later all. |
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| 06:08.46 | foampeace | beardy: ill have to stop it. what do you think |
| 06:08.53 | beardy | foampeace: Only run all if you get problems with it. |
| 06:09.01 | beardy | foampeace: It might not like that.. |
| 06:09.14 | metaperl | for those who my remember my earlier frantic volley of questions related to connecting via a router, the router was busted... Linksys routers bust very easily it seems |
| 06:09.23 | foampeace | beardy: maybe i should be less thorough |
| 06:09.25 | beardy | foampeace: Are you sure it will take that long? |
| 06:09.33 | beardy | foampeace: 12 hrs? |
| 06:09.50 | foampeace | i dont know..cdrecord says it might take a long time |
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| 06:09.56 | beardy | foampeace: Depends on what are doing.. |
| 06:10.06 | beardy | foampeace: Let it run for an hour or two. |
| 06:10.21 | beardy | what you* |
| 06:10.27 | foampeace | an hour?? |
| 06:10.30 | raf256 | how to checkversion of package foo |
| 06:10.35 | raf256 | what v. is installed |
| 06:10.39 | beardy | foampeace: Yeah? |
| 06:10.42 | Guerin | raf256: man dpkg |
| 06:10.56 | kingsley | raf256: dpkg -l <package> |
| 06:11.04 | rendi | what cmd to see what deb version i'm use ? |
| 06:11.06 | raf256 | thnx |
| 06:11.10 | beardy | foampeace: I don't think it will take 12 hrs. |
| 06:11.16 | Guerin | !what am i running |
| 06:11.16 | dpkg | What? You don't know what branch of what OS you're running? To find out, compare the output of dpkg -l libc6; cat /etc/debian_version; apt-cache policy; with known versions, such as are to be found on packages.debian.org. |
| 06:11.41 | foampeace | beardy: maybe just until the warranty runs out on the burner |
| 06:11.43 | raf256 | or simply see /etc/sources.list |
| 06:11.43 | beardy | foampeace: Does it ever take longer than 1x speed? |
| 06:11.56 | foampeace | beardy: 4timesRW |
| 06:12.29 | foampeace | oh the warranty did run out |
| 06:12.33 | Guerin | raf256: no, that doesn't tell you what's actually installed and running. |
| 06:12.41 | raf256 | not always |
| 06:12.49 | foampeace | im about to axe the burn |
| 06:12.50 | beardy | foampeace: I mean at the most, it can't spin slower than 1x, and it doesn't have to run it over more than once, has it? When blanking I mean? |
| 06:12.53 | rendi | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:12.55 | rendi | testing/unstable |
| 06:12.56 | rendi | ???? |
| 06:13.15 | Guerin | rendi: now look at the other things |
| 06:13.17 | foampeace | beardy: blanking was always fine the k3b normal way |
| 06:13.20 | EdLin | !d-i rendi |
| 06:13.20 | dpkg | rendi, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 06:13.22 | beardy | foampeace: So 70-80 minutes at the most I'd guess. |
| 06:13.22 | Guerin | rendi: don't bother telling us |
| 06:13.34 | foampeace | beardy: like 2 mins on k3b |
| 06:13.34 | beardy | foampeace: How long did that take then? |
| 06:13.53 | beardy | foampeace: Well, then it sure ain't using -all, only, -fast, if even that.. |
| 06:13.58 | defenestrate | w00t! old laserjet 4m works for printing postscript! w00t! |
| 06:14.21 | Guerin | hehe |
| 06:14.29 | Guerin | defenestrate: order food NOW |
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| 06:14.37 | Guerin | defenestrate: you're going to be there a while |
| 06:14.39 | EdLin | defenestrate: those old laserjets were built like tanks |
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| 06:16.00 | defenestrate | guerin: am I right that if I learn LaTeX, I'll can use vi for all my wordprocessing needs? |
| 06:16.04 | foampeace | beardy: i killed the ps and now im doing it blank fast |
| 06:16.08 | defenestrate | guerin: is that perverse, or smart? |
| 06:16.32 | defenestrate | guerin: what do you think most people actually do these days? |
| 06:16.37 | Guerin | defenestrate: better off using emacs, because it has far, far superior tex modes, but yes, that's more or less true |
| 06:17.01 | Guerin | defenestrate: use *office |
| 06:17.04 | beardy | foampeace: foampeace Ok, sometimes the drive gets locked when killing a burn/blank, but that didn't happen then? |
| 06:17.30 | Guerin | i write everything in plain text; if I need to do some formatting, I do it in xml or html |
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| 06:18.37 | SimonRaven | Guerin: i let my wiki do that for me ;) |
| 06:18.42 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:18.45 | Guerin | yeah, indeed |
| 06:18.48 | Shaun | anybody know why i get this error when running debootstrap? E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-/Packages |
| 06:18.57 | foampeace | beardy: no i killed the process |
| 06:19.07 | beardy | foampeace: Ok. |
| 06:19.07 | Guerin | i have to submit documents to other idiots for formatting, though, and I find POT best for that |
| 06:19.11 | SimonRaven | got tired of editing html |
| 06:19.20 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 06:19.25 | sticky | Anyone know how to solve an issue where this happens? http://sticky.pastebin.com/488302 |
| 06:19.51 | Guerin | since I refuse to do layout in *office just to have it mangled by fucktards using various versions of MSO, Works, HanWord and so on |
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| 06:20.29 | thepainterjeff20 | hello all |
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| 06:20.40 | SimonRaven | the wiki format i found the quickest and easiet to get something up - other than the pure "blog format" like you get with say wordpress. but wiki format you have extra options available. it's a nice combo, IMO |
| 06:20.49 | Guerin | defenestrate: in emacs, you want auctex for tex, and nxml-mode for xml |
| 06:20.53 | SimonRaven | Guerin: uh hunh. heh, that would suck |
| 06:20.55 | Guerin | defenestrate: they are without peer |
| 06:21.05 | sticky | Hm, I guess no one knows why sendmail broke apt-get? |
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| 06:21.14 | SimonRaven | o_O |
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| 06:21.34 | Guerin | sticky: you neeed a MTA |
| 06:21.42 | sticky | a MTA? |
| 06:21.42 | callan | quit |
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| 06:21.56 | Guerin | but I don't know what fucked up there |
| 06:22.00 | Guerin | sticky: a mail server |
| 06:22.04 | Guerin | which you've tried to install |
| 06:22.07 | sticky | Yes... |
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| 06:22.10 | SimonRaven | !mta |
| 06:22.10 | dpkg | methinks mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 06:22.19 | SimonRaven | eh |
| 06:22.22 | sticky | http://sticky.pastebin.com/488161 <-- that's basically my issue |
| 06:22.25 | Guerin | SimonRaven: try apt-get -f install; like it says |
| 06:22.30 | Guerin | SimonRaven: we can read |
| 06:22.36 | Guerin | sticky: we can read too |
| 06:22.47 | sticky | Then want to help? I've tried everything I can think of |
| 06:22.47 | Guerin | SimonRaven: we can read, right? |
| 06:22.57 | Guerin | sticky: you haven't tried what it told you. |
| 06:23.00 | SimonRaven | of course we can ;) |
| 06:23.01 | sticky | Yes I have |
| 06:23.11 | Guerin | Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages |
| 06:23.18 | Guerin | what was the output from that? |
| 06:23.29 | sticky | http://sticky.pastebin.com/488161 <-- line 18 |
| 06:23.30 | foampeace | why does debian come with a consolemail client without asking |
| 06:23.42 | Guerin | foampeace: so you can read mail. |
| 06:23.47 | SimonRaven | !mta =~ s/exim-tls/exim4/ s/postfix-tls/postfix/ |
| 06:23.55 | sticky | lol |
| 06:24.04 | Guerin | oh, that's a new paste ... ok |
| 06:24.06 | SimonRaven | hrm, it bitches |
| 06:24.10 | SimonRaven | !mta =~ s/exim-tls/exim4/ |
| 06:24.11 | dpkg | OK, SimonRaven |
| 06:24.12 | colk_ | becuase the system sends email via that |
| 06:24.19 | SimonRaven | !mta =~ s/postfix-tls/postfix/ |
| 06:24.19 | dpkg | SimonRaven: OK |
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| 06:24.32 | jm_ | he has his "own" pastebin :) |
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| 06:24.34 | foampeace | Guerin: but someting depends on it doesn it? |
| 06:24.48 | sticky | jm_: anyone can get one... |
| 06:24.55 | SimonRaven | oh, rb's was up to date |
| 06:25.06 | Guerin | sticky: apt-get -f remove fastforward; |
| 06:25.12 | jm_ | sticky: I know, I was joking - did you check BTS? |
| 06:25.19 | SimonRaven | jm_: yeh new faeture, 'private' pastebin |
| 06:25.23 | SimonRaven | feature* |
| 06:25.28 | Guerin | WOFT |
| 06:25.33 | sticky | Guerin: http://sticky.pastebin.com/488314 |
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| 06:25.44 | foampeace | anyone using eyetap technology? |
| 06:25.47 | ppcthug | hello again, apt get says couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common |
| 06:25.56 | Guerin | sticky: yeah, ok |
| 06:26.00 | sticky | apt-cache search nvida |
| 06:26.04 | sticky | ppcthug: ^^ |
| 06:26.07 | Guerin | sticky: dpkg -r fastforward; |
| 06:26.11 | SimonRaven | nvidia |
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| 06:26.26 | Guerin | !anyone use eyetap technology? |
| 06:26.26 | dpkg | No, no one uses eyetap technology, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:26.30 | foampeace | do ye think wearable eyetaps wil become standard? |
| 06:26.38 | sticky | Guerin: http://sticky.pastebin.com/488315 |
| 06:26.53 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:27.08 | Guerin | sticky: dpkg -P --force-depends fastforward qmail; |
| 06:27.17 | Guerin | DIE QMAIL DIE |
| 06:27.23 | sticky | lol |
| 06:27.25 | defenestrate | do I have to set up my own printcap file, or is there a utility that will help me use apsfilter? |
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| 06:27.55 | foampeace | i dont think its science fiction if your monitor can be in your perscription glasses |
| 06:28.09 | sticky | Guerin: I think that did it, (maybe) http://sticky.pastebin.com/488318 |
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| 06:28.24 | ppcthug | nvtv, cpufreqd, dmraid, nvclock, nvclock-gtk, nvclock-qt thats all thats listed |
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| 06:28.33 | sticky | Nope... |
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| 06:28.45 | foampeace | projecting the image right there on the eye |
| 06:28.47 | Guerin | sticky: you'll have to clean up some more of qmail's evil deps |
| 06:28.59 | ludi | what line do I need in my /etc/modules for the alsa-oss support? Is it snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_seq_oss |
| 06:29.10 | Guerin | sticky: this is what you get from using non-debian packages |
| 06:29.15 | SimonRaven | ludi: one per line |
| 06:29.20 | Guerin | ludi: just snd-pcm-oss |
| 06:29.33 | Guerin | the others will be brought in as that module is loaded |
| 06:29.39 | SimonRaven | and yeh, it'll load the others (IIRC) |
| 06:30.20 | ludi | okay, anything else to do? |
| 06:30.21 | liable | or run alsaconf it normally takes care of it. |
| 06:30.29 | ludi | I have alsa-oss package installed. |
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| 06:30.34 | ludi | Do I need any others? |
| 06:30.36 | SimonRaven | unmute stuff |
| 06:30.37 | Guerin | ludi: just put your sound module in /etc/modules as well |
| 06:30.42 | sticky | I think that worked, thanks Guerin |
| 06:30.51 | ludi | Guerin: how do I tell what is my sound module |
| 06:30.58 | Guerin | sticky: always glad to help someone /dev/null qmail |
| 06:31.04 | Guerin | ludi: what card do you have? |
| 06:31.05 | sticky | lol |
| 06:31.12 | ludi | Guerin: Sound Blaster Live! |
| 06:31.25 | Guerin | ludi: snd-emu10k1 |
| 06:31.30 | Guerin | i think |
| 06:31.39 | SimonRaven | snd-sb or something like that |
| 06:31.44 | ludi | how do I check for sure? |
| 06:31.47 | SimonRaven | er |
| 06:31.55 | Guerin | ludi: if the module loads, it's not wrong |
| 06:32.04 | ludi | how do I tell if it loads? :) |
| 06:32.06 | Guerin | ludi: so try modprobe snd-emu10k1; |
| 06:32.06 | muttix | ludi, i would say alsa-base + alsa-utils.... and not the sarge 2.4 kernel... then alsaconf should do it |
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| 06:32.23 | Guerin | alsaconf is often more pain than it needs to be |
| 06:32.34 | ludi | Guerin: I did modprobe and got no results in the console |
| 06:32.44 | Guerin | good |
| 06:32.47 | Guerin | it worked |
| 06:32.55 | kapil | ludi: dmesg | tail |
| 06:33.47 | ludi | What I'm trying to do here is get sound working in America's Army |
| 06:33.56 | ludi | apparently the game uses OSS sound instead of ALSA |
| 06:34.01 | ludi | and my system only has ALSA |
| 06:34.19 | foampeace | can they project right on to the eyeball or something |
| 06:34.20 | SimonRaven | alsa does oss emulation as you figured out |
| 06:34.29 | SimonRaven | foampeace: no thanks |
| 06:34.33 | ludi | What is this, do I need it as well? libopenal0 |
| 06:34.51 | foampeace | SimonRaven: why? |
| 06:34.55 | kapil | ludi: is sound already working for you? what does alsamixer show? |
| 06:35.06 | Guerin | hey ... aptitude is suggesting ways to fix my broken deps |
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| 06:35.10 | Guerin | sweet |
| 06:35.12 | SimonRaven | because i would find it intrusive |
| 06:35.22 | SimonRaven | Guerin: yeh, new feature |
| 06:35.31 | ludi | kapil: yes sound works for me, but just not in a couple games (America's Army and Neverwinter Nights). Do I have to reboot to test it now? |
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| 06:35.35 | kapil | ludi: if so then you only need to do modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 06:35.45 | sticky | hooray, finally got it working correctly |
| 06:35.55 | sticky | Guerin: you saved me, thanks again |
| 06:36.13 | SimonRaven | rebooting is only for new kernels, frozen computers, mac os, and windows |
| 06:36.21 | kapil | ludi: then try to play a sound using "play" (which uses OSS by default I think). |
| 06:36.38 | Guerin | woah ... and aptitude's suggested fix actually worked |
| 06:36.43 | Guerin | all i had to do was mash enter |
| 06:36.43 | Guerin | ! |
| 06:36.50 | SimonRaven | yeh, it works :) |
| 06:37.06 | sticky | lol @ Rebooting for mac |
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| 06:37.10 | kapil | ludi: echo SimonRaven. do not reboot machines needlessly. they feel hurt and their life expectancy goes down :) |
| 06:37.14 | SimonRaven | amazed me when i let it the first time. |
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| 06:37.26 | sticky | rebooting is like a taboo |
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| 06:37.41 | wwallace_lap | how do i give permission to write to a nfs share with ext3 fs? |
| 06:37.45 | mushrooomprince | yo #debian |
| 06:37.54 | wwallace_lap | 192.168.1.103:/media/hdg1 /media/mp3j/hdg1 nfs rw,user,auto 0 0 |
| 06:37.57 | ootput | hi guys, how do i lvextend a logical volume to the maximum unallocated size available? |
| 06:38.00 | wwallace_lap | thats the entry from fstab |
| 06:38.03 | kapil | ludi: we will soon come to a day when you will be able to replace a running kernel without re-booting :) |
| 06:38.18 | jm_ | wwallace_lap: you need to enable it in exports file first |
| 06:38.22 | SimonRaven | wwallace_lap: the first user to mount that will 'own' it |
| 06:38.29 | mushrooomprince | I have to reboot all the time. Mostly because I don't know anything about linux and I always mess it up. |
| 06:38.29 | wwallace_lap | jm_: hold on |
| 06:39.20 | mushrooomprince | Im also not very good at configuring dhcp. Which I just proved to myself a few minutes ago :/ |
| 06:39.21 | ludi | Sound is working in Neverwinter Nights now |
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| 06:39.31 | kapil | mushrooomprince: that indicates you are still in 'boot camp' :) |
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| 06:39.37 | SimonRaven | noisy drive... must be cron.daily... |
| 06:39.40 | wwallace_lap | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.46 | beardy | mushrooomprince: Rebooting doesn't reset much anyway, so it really isn't much point.. |
| 06:39.49 | jm_ | so it's ro as you can see |
| 06:39.53 | wwallace_lap | jm_: thas the netry from exports |
| 06:40.03 | wwallace_lap | so it should be rw? |
| 06:40.08 | mushrooomprince | beardy, I was just trying to get attention. I don't like to rush into a channel and be like " HI GUYZ IM A NOOB HELP ME " |
| 06:40.10 | jm_ | wwallace_lap: well if you want to write to it |
| 06:40.13 | wwallace_lap | ok |
| 06:40.16 | wwallace_lap | thas it? |
| 06:40.29 | SimonRaven | mushrooomprince: that's nice (not being sarcastic) |
| 06:40.47 | mushrooomprince | most appreciated simonraven. |
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| 06:40.54 | stained | hey harshal |
| 06:40.55 | beardy | mushrooomprince: That's good. (also not being sarcastic) |
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| 06:41.04 | ludi | America's Army sound works now. Thanks. |
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| 06:41.05 | jshriver | how do I add http/ftp to my sources.list? |
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| 06:41.17 | jm_ | jshriver: run apt-setup |
| 06:41.29 | jshriver | thx |
| 06:41.36 | nite613 | hmmm, now it seems firefox is also behaving weird. Is it possible that a recent upgrade of GTK libraries from 2.6.10 to 2.8.9 has broken firefox and azureus both? |
| 06:41.40 | wwallace_lap | what is the command to restart the exports? |
| 06:42.07 | nite613 | firefox hangs on certain pages (like any sourceforge download page) when it certainly didn't before |
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| 06:42.20 | liable | almost beer'o'clock.. |
| 06:42.22 | beardy | mushrooomprince: Oh, you did just join, what do you need help with? |
| 06:42.25 | kapil | nite613: did to "logout-to-login" after the upgrade? |
| 06:42.27 | SimonRaven | nite613: nah, didn't notice anything. though firefox is new (1.5) and you might need to reinstall/get new extensions |
| 06:42.49 | kapil | s/to/you/ |
| 06:42.50 | wwallace_lap | jm_: the entry on the client side is ok? on fstab? |
| 06:42.52 | mushrooomprince | beardy, i think configuring my dhcp right on my debian installation might let me be able to connect to the debian archives. |
| 06:43.01 | Guerin | grr |
| 06:43.08 | wwallace_lap | hi Guerin |
| 06:43.14 | jshriver | yikes, a lot done since my last upgrade lol... 314megs |
| 06:43.15 | SimonRaven | Guerin: wassup? |
| 06:43.22 | nite613 | kapil: Yeah, I actually *gasp* rebooted my system earlier today |
| 06:43.25 | jm_ | wwallace_lap: looks fine to me, but it will most likely fail if you'll try to mount it as root |
| 06:43.28 | Guerin | trying to build rtorrent and getting segfaults with libtool now |
| 06:43.35 | beardy | mushrooomprince: "/msg dpkg interfaces" have you read that? |
| 06:43.38 | SimonRaven | oh. ouchy |
| 06:43.45 | jm_ | Guerin: which version? |
| 06:43.48 | jshriver | why does it say Get: 9 http:.... testing/main |
| 06:43.52 | jshriver | shouldnt it be stable? |
| 06:44.04 | jm_ | it depends on what you put in sources.list obviously |
| 06:44.08 | EdLin | jshriver: maybe you got the wrong installation CD |
| 06:44.14 | jm_ | 314MB suggests you're doing dist-upgrade |
| 06:44.14 | jshriver | I ran apt-setup |
| 06:44.20 | mushrooomprince | beardy, one moment please |
| 06:44.25 | wwallace_lap | Guerin: hi |
| 06:44.32 | jshriver | jm: I haven't had net access in 8 months ;) |
| 06:44.41 | wwallace_lap | jm_: it worked |
| 06:44.41 | beardy | !dhcp client |
| 06:44.42 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
| 06:44.45 | beardy | mushrooomprince: ^^^ |
| 06:44.48 | jm_ | jshriver: ok, just check it first |
| 06:44.50 | wwallace_lap | i was able to write from the cliuent |
| 06:44.52 | SimonRaven | that would do it ;) |
| 06:44.54 | wwallace_lap | thanks for your help |
| 06:44.55 | jm_ | wwallace_lap: good |
| 06:44.56 | ideafix | FREAKIN TROLLS |
| 06:44.56 | EdLin | jshriver: if apt-setup puts "testing" there you're running a pre-release of the Sarge installer or the etch installer. |
| 06:45.13 | raf256 | ideafix: where |
| 06:45.22 | ideafix | you |
| 06:45.29 | raf256 | O_o |
| 06:45.30 | Guerin | wwallace_lap: g'day |
| 06:45.38 | jm_ | ahh I see unstable now has unstable version of rtorrent, haven't tried that one yet |
| 06:45.51 | mushrooomprince | beardy, I don't know wtf about things like ifup -a and ifdown -a etc. It is greek to me. |
| 06:45.51 | Guerin | jm_: 0.8.1 |
| 06:46.09 | SimonRaven | man ifupdown |
| 06:46.09 | ideafix | FREAKIN TROLLS |
| 06:46.10 | ideafix | FREAKIN TROLLS |
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| 06:46.12 | beardy | ideafix: Improve your behavior, starting now. |
| 06:46.28 | lunitik | jm_: you use torrent for more than just software? |
| 06:46.32 | Guerin | jm_: my sid seems only to have 0.8 |
| 06:46.39 | raf256 | so, if I set sources.list on my debian/unstable to point to debian/testing, then for few weeks tere will be no updates, and after some time my install will match debian teesting? |
| 06:46.54 | kapil | mushrooomprince: you dont need to know much about it at the moment. just type the indicated commands. |
| 06:46.54 | beardy | That's the better kind of a tard, a self-removing one. |
| 06:47.11 | raf256 | hehe |
| 06:47.19 | raf256 | funny server konfig, no kick |
| 06:47.23 | SimonRaven | i must have him/her/it on /ig .. |
| 06:47.23 | lunitik | raf256: in like 3-6 months it'll be pretty close? |
| 06:47.35 | dakor | hey long time linux user short time deb user how unstable is "unstable" right now i am running testing but Coming from Arch linux things are a little behind |
| 06:47.41 | EdLin | !tell raf256 -about downgrade |
| 06:47.44 | raf256 | sercer "you *wink* _want_ *yedi gestures* to leave this channel *wink*" |
| 06:47.51 | raf256 | server "you *wink* _want_ *yedi gestures* to leave this channel *wink*" |
| 06:47.54 | mushrooomprince | beardy, do you know what ifup -a means ? |
| 06:47.55 | dakor | i am happy with testing though |
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| 06:48.01 | zinx | dakor: packages break without warning, often requiring you to clean up manually. |
| 06:48.02 | beardy | mushrooomprince: It's commands, you can do a 'whatis command' for each of them before running then if you wish, to know vaguely what they are. |
| 06:48.05 | jm_ | Guerin: right, it only has new rtorrent, but not libtorrent - just noticed |
| 06:48.07 | jm_ | lunitik: not really |
| 06:48.09 | lunitik | dakor: Debian Unstable is probably more stable than Arch stable |
| 06:48.12 | SimonRaven | mushrooomprince: 'bring all interfaces up' |
| 06:48.15 | Guerin | oh, huh |
| 06:48.20 | dakor | zinx: how often |
| 06:48.22 | Guerin | well, that's cool |
| 06:48.25 | mushrooomprince | simonrave, I'm in windows. |
| 06:48.26 | dakor | hmmmm |
| 06:48.28 | zinx | dakor: depends on how long it's been since a release :D |
| 06:48.30 | lunitik | jm_: oh... I was hoping to find a decent source for music etc :( |
| 06:48.33 | beardy | mushrooomprince: 'whatis ifup' for example |
| 06:48.35 | valdyn | jm_: libtorrent6 |
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| 06:48.48 | mushrooomprince | beardy I understand. |
| 06:48.51 | lunitik | jm_: gtk-gnutella is nice... but its always better to use more than one protocol |
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| 06:48.58 | SimonRaven | it'll only work on a debian box ;) |
| 06:48.59 | zinx | dakor: also depends on what you use.. KDE and other large C++ suites tend to break more often. |
| 06:49.13 | dakor | i dont mind things breaking once in a while im used to that comin from Arch but I dont want thing sto break every update |
| 06:49.19 | Guerin | nope |
| 06:49.23 | raf256 | EdLin: I dont want to "downgrade:, I just want the "downgrade" happen by waiting. so just seeting sources.list will do it? |
| 06:49.35 | Guerin | rtorrent is 0.4.0 and libtorrent6 is 0.8.0 |
| 06:49.38 | Guerin | current is .1 |
| 06:49.42 | jm_ | valdyn: correct |
| 06:49.49 | EdLin | raf256: that's not how testing works, you're likely to get a bobbit that way. |
| 06:49.53 | Guerin | raf256: it will, if you wait long enough |
| 06:49.54 | lunitik | raf256: like I said... eventually... it'll be pretty darn close... |
| 06:49.54 | beardy | mushrooomprince: good |
| 06:49.55 | valdyn | !info rtorrent sid |
| 06:49.55 | mushrooomprince | beardy I simply want to know if I configured dhcp correctly during the 3.1 installation. if I did then I have no idea why debian cant connect to the deb archives |
| 06:50.05 | dpkg | rtorrent: (ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent), section net, is extra. Version: 0.4.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 133 kB, Installed size: 384 kB |
| 06:50.19 | EdLin | hmph, it seems the experts are against me. ;-) |
| 06:50.23 | Guerin | huh |
| 06:50.24 | jm_ | weird, packages search page says: 0.4.1-1: amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390, but then clicking on it shows Versions: 0.4.0-1 |
| 06:50.29 | Guerin | my mirror must be out of date |
| 06:50.30 | jm_ | yeah huh :) |
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| 06:50.53 | beardy | mushrooomprince: Can you 'ping debian.org'? |
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| 06:50.55 | Guerin | !win valdyn |
| 06:50.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, valdyn! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 06:50.59 | dakor | If you say unstable is more stable then Arch current i guess ill go with unstable |
| 06:51.07 | dakor | :p |
| 06:51.13 | jm_ | but it doesn't concenr me much, I build static version on Sarge and stick it in ~/bin |
| 06:51.17 | jm_ | concern |
| 06:51.27 | mushrooomprince | beardy I will reboot in debian and try that |
| 06:51.27 | ootput | does anybody know why df still reports the same disk parameters before/after an lvextend? |
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| 06:51.28 | mushrooomprince | brb |
| 06:51.31 | lunitik | dakor: it has its moments... but yeah... most horribly broken things go to experimental |
| 06:51.48 | dakor | hmm |
| 06:51.52 | SimonRaven | dakor: you might want to go with testing first, to get used to dpkg and apt-get and such package tools, then move on to sid |
| 06:51.52 | Molatov | having probs with sound card on woody install any on isa slot |
| 06:51.54 | Guerin | dakor: unstable breaks |
| 06:51.54 | jm_ | ootput: df gets the info from FS layer, lvextend is a layer below it |
| 06:51.57 | EdLin | dakor: use stable, despite the old versions, unless you have a specific application you need from unstable that isn't in stable. |
| 06:51.58 | lunitik | dakor: unstable mostly consists of stable upstream software... |
| 06:52.02 | Guerin | dakor: if you don't want broken, don't use it |
| 06:52.06 | illusion | does anyone know how to recreate the superblocks on a RAID (mdadm) device? |
| 06:52.12 | kapil | dakor: you can run test+unstable. check on the use of "Default-Release" and Pin in the apt documentation. |
| 06:52.19 | hammerabi | ootput: df is looking at filesystem size... |
| 06:52.20 | dakor | what about testing thats what im using now |
| 06:52.20 | dli_ | which program to take screenshot? I don't want gimp |
| 06:52.27 | lunitik | !pin |
| 06:52.27 | hammerabi | dli_: import -window root |
| 06:52.27 | dpkg | hmm... pin is a small bolt, or also see pinning |
| 06:52.28 | jm_ | dli_: /msg dpkg screenshot |
| 06:52.29 | Guerin | dakor: what's wrong with it? |
| 06:52.31 | hammerabi | dli_: from imagemagick |
| 06:52.33 | beardy | !screenshot |
| 06:52.33 | dpkg | somebody said screenshot was 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 06:52.34 | lunitik | !pinning |
| 06:52.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
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| 06:52.41 | dakor | testing seems like a good middle ground |
| 06:52.44 | EdLin | dakor: testing is actually sometimes less stable than unstable |
| 06:52.46 | SimonRaven | dli_: scrot |
| 06:52.48 | dli_ | hammerabi, thanks :) it's import :) |
| 06:52.53 | dakor | heh |
| 06:52.55 | lunitik | ~pinning |
| 06:52.59 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or ... |
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| 06:53.04 | dli_ | SimonRaven, I'll try that also :) |
| 06:53.05 | jm_ | illusion: why would you? |
| 06:53.20 | ootput | jm_,hammerabi: why did df report the correct size during the initial vgextend (after first creating the group, the volumes, then extending, and rebooting) |
| 06:53.27 | doleyb | dli_: there's also ksnapshot |
| 06:53.41 | Eclipser | ksnapshot is nice |
| 06:53.44 | illusion | jm_: i zero'd my superblocks and I shouldn't have |
| 06:54.09 | SimonRaven | scrot is much more configurable and scriptable ;) |
| 06:54.10 | dakor | thanks for your help guys ill think ill stay with testing |
| 06:54.23 | doleyb | dli_: oh, and xvidcap can take 100s of screenshots per second |
| 06:54.24 | jm_ | ootput: because you have created it and ran mkfs, now you have just extended the logical volume, but not the filesystem |
| 06:54.25 | lunitik | SimonRaven: I'm not.. nahnah :P |
| 06:54.30 | jm_ | illusion: use spare ones to fix things? |
| 06:54.38 | zinx | illusion: you zero'd all of them? o_O |
| 06:54.38 | illusion | jm_: raid5 |
| 06:54.46 | sonyman | I just installed the various ntp programs for debian etch, and now my clock is 5 hours fast. |
| 06:54.46 | ootput | jm_: oh. is there a way to correctly report it's size? |
| 06:54.52 | illusion | zinx: yes : ( |
| 06:54.57 | ootput | jm_: an lv- tool perhaps? |
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| 06:55.02 | SimonRaven | lunitik: eh? |
| 06:55.02 | beardy | !set the time |
| 06:55.02 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 06:55.04 | dli_ | doleyb, kde is too heavy :) |
| 06:55.07 | jm_ | ootput: you need to resize the fs to match it, you won't find this in LV tools |
| 06:55.14 | beardy | sonyman: Don't install them all. |
| 06:55.16 | SimonRaven | lunitik: oh, lagging, heh |
| 06:55.17 | jm_ | you can also put the date using import ;) |
| 06:55.23 | lunitik | SimonRaven: yeah ;) |
| 06:55.24 | beardy | They conflict anyway, don't they? |
| 06:55.33 | sonyman | beardy, I am using a guide from http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/ntp.jspx |
| 06:55.34 | liable | dli_: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Make_a_Screenshot_with_PrintScreen_Key |
| 06:55.40 | nite613 | How do I remove plugins from firefox? I see that debian now packages the flash plugin which I installed long ago by hand and it later broke. also my java plugin appears borked :( |
| 06:55.46 | SimonRaven | true, like _$(date "+%FT%T").png |
| 06:56.09 | lunitik | nite613: the flash plugin would never be installed be default... never |
| 06:56.09 | jm_ | ohh I meant in the picture itself, not in the filename |
| 06:56.36 | lunitik | nite613: check symlinks for java |
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| 06:56.51 | beardy | !ntp |
| 06:56.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 06:56.52 | ootput | ah, resize2fs |
| 06:57.06 | lunitik | nite613: you should have a link to the libjavaplugin.so file in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins... if not, make one |
| 06:57.11 | mushrooomprince | beardy, in answer to your question no I cannot ping debian.org |
| 06:57.17 | nite613 | lunitik: installed by default? No, I installed it myself (no apt) ages ago, and it's now broken. As for the java, reading the pluginreg.dat shows that it points somewhere other than where it should |
| 06:57.45 | lunitik | nite613: I have no idea what that is... heh... I just symlink... its easier |
| 06:57.59 | sonyman | Ok I just edited /etc/default/rcS to change it to localtime. Now how do I get the clock synchronized? ntpdate isn't doing it |
| 06:58.03 | SimonRaven | jm_: oh, ok |
| 06:58.11 | nite613 | lunitik:I need to remove the old java and flash plugin config first I think |
| 06:58.38 | sonyman | it looks like the right time is shown in the console, but not in the KDE taskbar :-/ |
| 06:58.40 | Molatov | having probs with sound card on woody install its on isa slot sb 16 |
| 06:58.41 | jm_ | ntpdate will work if you have working servers in /etc/default/ntpdate |
| 06:58.45 | lunitik | nite613: shouldn't matter... but cleaning things up is never bad ;) |
| 06:58.54 | illusion | is the raid superblock rebuild-able or possibly backed up somewhere? |
| 06:59.01 | beardy | mushrooomprince: Ask dpkg (in a /msg) about "dhcp client" and "interfaces" and copy that so you have it with you when booting debian, and follow it. |
| 06:59.22 | nite613 | lunitik: any idea how? |
| 06:59.33 | sonyman | jm_, it lists pool.ntp.org in the file but says "no servers can be used, exiting" when I run ntpdate |
| 06:59.55 | Paivakil | sonyman: /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart |
| 07:00.05 | mushrooomprince | beardy, ok |
| 07:00.05 | beardy | sonyman: You have to run /etc/init.d/ntpdate start |
| 07:00.18 | jm_ | sonyman: use init script |
| 07:00.32 | sonyman | beardy, Paivakil, I did, but the time still is wrong in KDE |
| 07:00.46 | sonyman | heh scrap that |
| 07:01.04 | beardy | sonyman: trust date(1) |
| 07:01.04 | sonyman | I left-clicked once on the clock and the time mysteriously fixed itself |
| 07:01.32 | nite613 | lunitik: So you just make symlinks in ~/.mozilla/plugins to the /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins for any plugins you want and then start firefox? |
| 07:01.37 | sonyman | thanks Paivakil, beardy, jm_ |
| 07:01.42 | sonyman | I'm off to bedf |
| 07:01.49 | beardy | sonyman: heh, well, "it's a kind of magic" |
| 07:01.53 | sonyman | ;-) |
| 07:03.04 | Molatov | having probs with sound card on woody install its on isa slot sb 16 |
| 07:03.30 | beardy | Molatov: Do you have any good reason not to upgrade to sarge? |
| 07:03.56 | Molatov | is it more usefull |
| 07:04.03 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:04.11 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 07:04.32 | beardy | Molatov: For the security at least. |
| 07:04.38 | Molatov | o |
| 07:04.42 | SimonRaven | um, FYI, it won't be supported for too much longer... |
| 07:04.57 | beardy | !tell Molatov -about woody->sarge |
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| 07:05.29 | beardy | Molatov: Then install a 2.6 kernel, and /msg dpkg alsa 2.6 |
| 07:05.37 | ootput | ah, e2fsadm doesn't exist for lvm2? |
| 07:05.47 | doleyb | If she still has isa cards, probably first can upgrade PC. By picking from dumpsters. |
| 07:06.14 | Molatov | its a bit like that |
| 07:06.22 | beardy | doleyb: Why throw away a working card, the motherboard probably has not anything else either. |
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| 07:06.43 | Guerin | um |
| 07:06.43 | Guerin | when did sarge stop working with isa? |
| 07:06.46 | beardy | ehm, excuse that grammar, I'm tired.. |
| 07:07.01 | nite613 | The plot thickens. Plugins are gone and firefox still hangs. strace shows a connect() to portmapper on localhost that never returns. The portmapper is running |
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| 07:09.29 | illusion | ootput: was your last question to me? |
| 07:09.31 | ootput | jm_: reize2fs /dev/<volumegroup> automatically resized according to lvextends. thanks |
| 07:09.39 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: it should still work... |
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| 07:10.13 | rage | I have a random question, if I run `$ rm -rf /` will it delete my home directory? |
| 07:10.25 | dondelelcaro | rage: yes, amongst other things. |
| 07:10.25 | ootput | illusion: no, jm_ :) |
| 07:10.26 | beardy | I have gotten sound out of a isa sb16 card on sarge, with alsa, so it works. |
| 07:10.49 | Molatov | Thacks |
| 07:11.12 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: my point exactly |
| 07:11.24 | Molatov | thanks |
| 07:11.37 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: his isa kit doesn't prevent him using sarge |
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| 07:12.33 | nite613 | wow! All my problems today with azureus and mozilla were all because the lo interface was broken! |
| 07:12.40 | nite613 | wholly *@(# I cna't beleive it |
| 07:13.32 | Molatov | what 12 more bucks |
| 07:13.35 | beardy | isapnp is not available in sarge though |
| 07:13.59 | Molatov | isapnp?? |
| 07:14.10 | jm_ | you don't need isapnpdumps with recent kernels, kernel should do it for you |
| 07:14.34 | beardy | sorry, isapnptools, and it is available, my mistake |
| 07:14.37 | dondelelcaro | nite613: yes, that's not terribly unusual. |
| 07:14.46 | defenestrate | isapnp is now for masochists and old men like myself. lay off the hard stuff, 'k |
| 07:14.49 | dondelelcaro | lots of things break when lo doesn't work. |
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| 07:15.37 | nite613 | dondelelcaro: Do they ever! :) Oh well, now I have a java-package installed JRE, apt managed azureus, and official debian firefox plugins thanks to all the running in circles |
| 07:15.42 | nite613 | not too shabyh |
| 07:16.08 | dli_ | looks like none of (scrot, ksnapshot, import) would take the video window of mplayer or totem |
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| 07:16.31 | dondelelcaro | dli_: that's generally because those draw directly to the video card, not using X. |
| 07:16.33 | Guerin | dli_: no |
| 07:16.39 | Guerin | yes, that's it |
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| 07:16.51 | dondelelcaro | dli_: use their internal screenshot routines if that's what you want. |
| 07:16.54 | dli_ | dondelelcaro, good, I think mplayer can use -vo x11 |
| 07:16.54 | Guerin | dli_: you can dump frames using mplayer |
| 07:16.56 | dondelelcaro | (or set them to use x11) |
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| 07:17.06 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: it can, but it's disgustingly slow |
| 07:17.09 | Guerin | dli_: |
| 07:17.53 | Coke | Is there any way to continue a DL of something using scp? Like wget will continue? |
| 07:17.54 | defenestrate | can anyone explain to me why openprojects is now freenode and not openprojects? |
| 07:18.17 | ootput | is there a way to show the partitions used in a vg? |
| 07:18.43 | nite613 | Hmmm, how do I properly "install" a firefox plugin for my user? Is it just a symlink from my ~/.mozilla/plugins directory to the /usr/lib one, or is there something else I need to do? |
| 07:18.49 | beardy | defenestrate: #freenode ? |
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| 07:19.01 | dondelelcaro | Coke: generally not; just use rsync if that's what you want. |
| 07:19.09 | Guerin | nite613: if there's a debian package of it, install that. If not, install it from withint the program |
| 07:19.16 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:19.34 | Gumby | hrm, sshd just stopped and now wont let me log in. tried to restart it... restarted no problem. Still I can not login. I tried uninstalling then reinstalling ssh, dpkg returns a segfault :( |
| 07:19.34 | nite613 | Guerin: So assuming there IS a debian package. Do I need to do anything to enable it once its installed via apt? |
| 07:19.53 | Guerin | nite613: i don't believe so. |
| 07:20.12 | Guerin | nite613: i don't use any which are packaged. |
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| 07:20.41 | longHair | lley |
| 07:21.19 | tarzeau | !popcorn |
| 07:22.06 | dimir | !poppr0n |
| 07:22.07 | meff | on some kernels i see numbers to the left of every kernel line on boot.. which option does this and why? |
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| 07:23.18 | beardy | meff: Not on a debian kernel you don't. |
| 07:23.28 | meff | beardy: i know, just curious |
| 07:23.54 | beardy | meff: I don't know, custom patch perhaps? |
| 07:24.03 | Guerin | CONFIG_USELESS_NUMBERS maybe? |
| 07:24.10 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 07:24.12 | meff | loll |
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| 07:24.35 | Guerin | SlayerXP: daycycle |
| 07:25.17 | ram | lunitik: using several protocols at the same time is bad actually. I can discuss it offline |
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| 07:29.30 | ootput | are the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives transferable to a separate partition to be mounted during debian install? |
| 07:29.50 | jm_ | ootput: yes, but that alone might not help if cache is not up to date |
| 07:30.12 | jm_ | I mean package inventory cache |
| 07:30.27 | ootput | jm_: an hour may lapse between apt-get update/upgrade + the new installation |
| 07:30.59 | jm_ | ootput: no, I meant the files in /var/cache/apt - if they're not matching, then the packages won't be used |
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| 07:32.19 | Gibbs | how do I disable these mail notification in console "You have new mail in /var/mail/root" ? |
| 07:32.20 | ootput | jm_: yeah :) I meant that i'd be retrieving the latest packages for testing, installing them, then transferring them over to the separate partition. |
| 07:32.40 | dli_ | jm_ and there's no way to force reinstall (download) all installed packages |
| 07:32.41 | ootput | jm_: then i'll be starting the debian install (on raid1 + lvm2 this time) |
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| 07:33.00 | dondelelcaro | Gibbs: change your /etc/pam.d/login |
| 07:33.02 | jm_ | ootput: sure, just copy other files along with it too |
| 07:33.19 | jm_ | dli_: there is |
| 07:33.26 | ootput | jm_: which files? |
| 07:33.37 | jm_ | ootput: like I said, the files in /var/cache/apt |
| 07:33.52 | Gibbs | dondelelcaro: thx |
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| 07:34.20 | dli_ | jm_ then, apt-get clean, and combine that with --download-only, make all debs needed by the current system |
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| 07:34.32 | Jinkguns | I got the electron microscope working. Just wanted to thank everyone for their help, now I can test it to see if it was the hardware that broke. |
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| 07:34.47 | Jinkguns | P.S.: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 07:35.07 | solidgroove | i get this locale errors from perl after a distupgrade to unstable |
| 07:35.14 | solidgroove | how do i reconfig that? |
| 07:35.17 | ootput | Jinkguns: right |
| 07:35.38 | ootput | dli_: --download-only should go with what? |
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| 07:36.21 | dli_ | ootput, ask jm_ , to force reinstall all package, that makes all debs needed in cache |
| 07:36.46 | raf256 | Jinkguns: neat |
| 07:37.33 | ootput | dli_: but you mentioned it :) |
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| 07:39.08 | solidgroove | how do i reconfigure locale? |
| 07:39.13 | dli_ | ootput, I don't know a way to force reinstall |
| 07:39.16 | solidgroove | i get errors from everythin g |
| 07:39.26 | dli_ | solidgroove, dpkg-reconfigure locale2 |
| 07:39.33 | ordinary | ok gang, can anyone recommend a tool for converting from ogg to mp3? |
| 07:39.39 | dli_ | solidgroove, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 07:40.12 | ordinary | oggdec -> lame drops all of the id3 info :( |
| 07:40.15 | solidgroove | i get error its not installed |
| 07:40.33 | Stereo | has anyone got recommendations for tape drives? |
| 07:40.55 | solidgroove | lol i have to install locales. dont even know what it is.. just want an up to date secure os |
| 07:41.10 | solidgroove | for my games |
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| 07:42.00 | solidgroove | i felt like i had blown myself up after i dist upgraded knoppix |
| 07:42.02 | Gumby | can anyone lend a hand here. I think some of my init scripts are not starting @ boot time. For example, my LVM array doesnt start and since its in fstab to automount (or at least I think thats why) I get an error on boot that says I must enter passwd or press ctrl+D for maintenance. I cant seem to figure out why this is. I can start the lvm just fine after I press ctrl+D and the system boots |
| 07:42.22 | spotted | Hello, I just installed Debiah etch. It's been a long time unfortunately since last I had this installed. |
| 07:42.36 | spotted | Can anyone tell me what package must be reconfigured to select the desktop manager? |
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| 07:42.44 | Cool_MAN | hi |
| 07:42.48 | spotted | For example in Slackware you have xwmconfig to select it |
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| 07:42.59 | Cool_MAN | back |
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| 07:43.00 | spotted | What's that here? dpkg-reconfigure ... |
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| 07:43.13 | Cool_MAN | where i am? |
| 07:43.19 | solidgroove | spotted, i put the binary path in .xinitrc |
| 07:43.24 | hammerabi | spotted: you mean editing ~/.xsession? |
| 07:43.35 | nimrod | hi... how can set adsl password to automatically start on kde start? |
| 07:43.36 | hammerabi | spotted: or you want to change what the /usr/bin/x-window-manager alternative poitns to? |
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| 07:43.49 | Gumby | spotted: you want to choose which dm that starts? |
| 07:43.51 | spotted | I want to select the desktop manager that must be run on startup |
| 07:44.01 | spotted | and I remember that there was a package to reconfigure for this purpose |
| 07:44.02 | Gumby | spotted: have a look /etc/init.d/dm |
| 07:44.21 | Gumby | sorry, wrong distro |
| 07:44.22 | Gumby | heh |
| 07:44.26 | solidgroove | benley whats up with libata? |
| 07:44.41 | benley | solidgroove: it's ignoring my optical drive. |
| 07:44.51 | benley | solidgroove: I'm getting "WARNING: ATAPI is disabled, device ignored." |
| 07:44.58 | solidgroove | oh, i was going to use my bday $ for a sata optical but never did yet |
| 07:45.09 | KerPlunk | spotted: "dpkg-reconfigure gdm" or kdm xdm slim etc |
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| 07:45.12 | benley | solidgroove: despite passing libata.atapi_enabled=1 to the kernel, and putting 'options libata atapi_enabled=1" in /etc/modules.conf |
| 07:45.14 | Gumby | spotted: dpkg-reconfigure xdm ?? |
| 07:45.17 | KerPlunk | Whatever login manager you use spotted. |
| 07:45.33 | benley | solidgroove: btw the only sata optical drive I know of on the market is a plextor dvd burner. |
| 07:45.34 | solidgroove | what kernel is it? |
| 07:45.42 | benley | solidgroove: 2.6.15, hot off the presses. |
| 07:45.55 | benley | solidgroove: (so chosen specifically because of the libata improvements) |
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| 07:46.25 | spotted | Gumby, yes, it was that |
| 07:46.37 | Pegger | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:47.10 | Gumby | does anyone know why lvm might not be started at boot time? I have a symlink from /etc/rc2.d/S20lvm to /etc/init.d/lvm |
| 07:47.22 | sussudio_ | !find libapt-pkg-libc6 |
| 07:47.33 | bibe | Pegger : I took a look at the code a few months ago, what do you need exactly? |
| 07:47.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libapt-pkg-libc6' (1): (/usr/lib/{libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11|libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11.0}) in admin/apt. |
| 07:47.39 | benley | anyone know how to determine what options were passed to a loaded kernel module? |
| 07:47.52 | tarzeau | benley: /proc/cmdline |
| 07:48.10 | benley | tarzeau: that works for the kernel commandline itself, but not for module options. |
| 07:48.13 | Pegger | bibe, i am getting phpMyAdmin was unable to read your configuration file! |
| 07:48.26 | benley | tarzeau: at least, I'm pretty sure that's the case. |
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| 07:48.35 | bibe | Pegger : after passing from 2.6 to 2.7, I suppose |
| 07:48.35 | Pegger | bibe, but the config file is -rw------- 1 www wheel 39738 Dec 16 19:08 config.inc.php |
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| 07:48.36 | Pegger | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:50.43 | tarzeau | benley: check /etc/modules then |
| 07:50.43 | Pegger | bibe, it is really starting to bother me that i cant get it working again |
| 07:52.07 | Supaplex | Pegger: su to the same user apache is running as, and try to view the file |
| 07:53.12 | Gumby | can anyone tell me if there is a proper way to add runlevel symlinks to init scripts? |
| 07:53.18 | benley | tarzeau: I've discovered that file ... not sure if the info is there |
| 07:53.20 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: use update-rc.d |
| 07:53.29 | Gibbs | how do I type unicode in uxterm? the reference at qref.sf.net only mentioned how to read |
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| 07:53.37 | benley | tarzeau: waiting for a reboot atm, I'll keep hunting momentarily :) |
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| 07:54.00 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: hrm, I tried that. I did update-rc.d lvm defaults and it told me that /etc/init.d/lvm already exists. I moved that file and it told me that it didnt exist |
| 07:54.32 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: should I use -f in this case? |
| 07:54.43 | tarzeau | benley: if it had options, it's in there |
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| 07:54.52 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: that's just telling you that links to lvm already exist. |
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| 07:55.24 | benley | tarzeau: hmm, ok. I don't see any, so perhaps that means my module isn't getting the options it's supposed to. |
| 07:55.32 | tarzeau | benley: exactly |
| 07:56.01 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: then is there a reason it isnt starting on boot? I get an error telling me that my lvm volume cant be mounted and to enter passwd for maintenance or to press ctrl+D to continue |
| 07:56.04 | Supaplex | benley: heh softdog :p (software watchdog hehe) |
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| 07:56.24 | benley | heh |
| 07:56.29 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: this is with a sumlink to /etc/init.d/lvm in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 07:56.31 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: do you see the symlinks to it in rcS or rc2? |
| 07:56.33 | Gumby | symlink |
| 07:56.46 | Gumby | rc2.d yes |
| 07:57.00 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: then it should be starting; if it's not, something is wrong with lvm. |
| 07:57.01 | KerPlunk | What number Gumby? |
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| 07:57.31 | doleyb | benley: i like ov511, it takes "compress" option |
| 07:57.41 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: in any case, it should be starting before rcS.d/S35, not rc2.d/... |
| 07:57.49 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: it starts afterwards though. I can do /etc/init.d/lvm start and lvm comes up no problem |
| 07:57.57 | Gumby | ok. |
| 07:58.11 | benley | doleyb: good call. That's some webcam driver, right? |
| 07:58.14 | Gumby | so put it in rcS.d as something like S20lvm then ?> |
| 07:58.29 | jm_ | meff: still here? |
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| 07:58.37 | KerPlunk | Gumby: "mv /etc/rc2.d/*lvm /etc/rcS.d/S34lvm" |
| 07:58.41 | KerPlunk | Gumby: that should fix your problem. |
| 07:58.47 | benley | tarzeau: so ... I did a 'modprobe ov511 compress=1' |
| 07:58.56 | benley | tarzeau: can't find any trace of that in /proc/modules |
| 07:59.05 | Gumby | KerPlunk: will do. |
| 07:59.12 | Gumby | thx for the info dondelelcaro and KerPlunk |
| 07:59.31 | Gumby | lol, I think this box is in trouble though. looks like the root hard drive might be dying. |
| 07:59.36 | tarzeau | benley: did i say you can find traces of it in /proc/modules? |
| 07:59.39 | Gumby | ls -al returns a segfault :( |
| 07:59.44 | Gumby | d'oh |
| 07:59.44 | dondelelcaro | uh.. |
| 07:59.55 | benley | tarzeau: yes, I think that's what you were saying. |
| 07:59.57 | tarzeau | benley: the question is, does it work? if so, put it in /etc/modules. be done with it, go play nethack |
| 08:00.01 | Gumby | this is the first I have seen of this |
| 08:00.03 | tarzeau | or whatever you usually do |
| 08:00.08 | tarzeau | benley: no i didn't |
| 08:00.24 | benley | tarzeau: I can see ov511 in /proc/modules - just not its options given. |
| 08:00.25 | tarzeau | benley: i said /etc/modules and /proc/cmdline |
| 08:00.33 | benley | oh, sorry. |
| 08:00.38 | tarzeau | benley: i never said you can see the options in /proc/modules |
| 08:00.45 | tarzeau | try #linux |
| 08:00.47 | benley | sorry, I misread then. |
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| 08:05.28 | Gumby | KerPlunk: that didnt seem to work. I am presented with the same prompt |
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| 08:06.09 | amicrawle | hey guys new to deb need a little help |
| 08:06.22 | amicrawle | how to install nvidia drivers |
| 08:06.26 | tarzeau | !nvidia |
| 08:06.26 | dpkg | well, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 08:06.40 | benley | dpkg: nvidia one-liner |
| 08:06.40 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 08:06.57 | bibe | Pegger : still there? Sorry but I was on a phone call |
| 08:06.59 | benley | huh, that's more steps than I do. |
| 08:07.02 | Gumby | "fsck.ext3: No such device or address while trying to open /dev/mapper/4474-storage possibly non-existant or swap device" fsck failed. please repair manually" "CONTROL -D will exit from this shell and continue system startup" "Give root passwrd for maintenance" |
| 08:07.17 | amicrawle | i came from suse and it wa in the updates and did it auto for me |
| 08:07.35 | Pegger | bibe, it is ok, what do you know about ap-php, it looks like I need to install it in order to phpmyadmin to work |
| 08:08.13 | amicrawle | what is dpkg |
| 08:08.23 | tarzeau | dpkg gender |
| 08:08.24 | dpkg | I'm gay |
| 08:08.25 | amicrawle | is it like pkg in freebsd |
| 08:08.26 | bibe | Pegger: ap-php |
| 08:08.27 | bibe | ? |
| 08:08.45 | amicrawle | do i doa addpkg nvidia? |
| 08:08.50 | SlayerXP | Gumby: at a guess, the fsck failed and you should consider manual intervention. CONTROL -D will exit from that shell and continue system startup, or give the root password to perform maintenance now. |
| 08:09.07 | amicrawle | my screen is out of sysnc |
| 08:09.14 | amicrawle | it says |
| 08:09.29 | Gumby | SlayerXP: fsck fails because it can not see the device. |
| 08:09.29 | amicrawle | and i did a ctrl + alt and a + |
| 08:09.35 | amicrawle | to fix it temp |
| 08:09.47 | amicrawle | how do fix it normal? |
| 08:10.06 | Gumby | SlayerXP: I just added the proper symlink in /etc/rcS.d so the lvm array should start on boot. It starts after boot without issue |
| 08:10.14 | amicrawle | it does it when x starts |
| 08:10.25 | liable | Gumby: i dont really know much about lvm, but what actually started this? |
| 08:10.44 | amicrawle | i installed the new deb gui installer very good |
| 08:11.04 | tarzeau | amicrawle: what is its name? |
| 08:11.04 | amicrawle | but i set y res to hight |
| 08:11.17 | amicrawle | sarge |
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| 08:11.39 | ootput | clear |
| 08:11.55 | Gumby | liable: its been like this for some time now. I cant really pinpoint when the problem started |
| 08:11.57 | amicrawle | it install much like suse and mandrake the commercial installers |
| 08:12.01 | ootput | always... |
| 08:12.41 | amicrawle | so what do i do to fix my x problem ? |
| 08:12.59 | amicrawle | is there a gui fix for it? |
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| 08:13.55 | fuzzyBSc | http://efficientsoftware.pbwiki.com/ |
| 08:14.05 | amicrawle | is my rez in etc/ |
| 08:14.14 | ootput | amicrawle: are you sure it isn't horizsync + vertrefresh related? |
| 08:14.32 | ootput | amicrawle: sorry, i have to leave now. good luck. |
| 08:14.35 | Gumby | liable: if I give the root passwd and the first command I do is /etc/init.d/lvm start the lvm starts no problem. so it must be something with the symlink |
| 08:14.37 | amicrawle | yeah my screen when x 1st |
| 08:14.53 | SlayerXP | fuzzyBSc: you failed, that sort of thing has been happening for _years_ |
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| 08:15.28 | fuzzyBSc | Slayer: Free software generally, or the specific idea? |
| 08:15.29 | liable | fuzzyBSc: dont spam. |
| 08:15.30 | fuzzyBSc | :) |
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| 08:17.04 | liable | Gumby: what number did you put the link as? |
| 08:17.22 | amicrawle | how do i fix my horizsync + vertrefresh |
| 08:17.25 | Gumby | S34 as KerPlunk suggested |
| 08:17.28 | SlayerXP | fuzzyBSc: the specific idea. |
| 08:17.36 | liable | Gumby: make it before 30 and see what gives |
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| 08:18.09 | fuzzyBSc | Slayer: I have heard of using bounties before, but not setting up a coordinated system where any bug can have a bounty across a wide range of projects. |
| 08:18.19 | liable | Gumby: ie 29 .. |
| 08:18.52 | vlad | what kind of process is this: root 1029 0.0 0.1 3724 1752 ? S 09:11 0:00 -:0 |
| 08:19.27 | SlayerXP | vlad: it's a process that's in state S with a pid of 1029 |
| 08:19.35 | ootput | is there a way to force reinstall (--download-only) of all packages in the system? |
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| 08:20.08 | vlad | SlayerXP: what does that mean? |
| 08:20.21 | shad0w1e | anybody know how I can get a "partition2" to be recognized as a "partition1" ?? There no longer is a partition1 anymore |
| 08:20.34 | SlayerXP | vlad: exactly what I said. |
| 08:20.58 | vlad | slayerxp: could you formulate it that way that non-gurus also can understand? |
| 08:21.05 | Gumby | liable: allright. |
| 08:21.27 | spatulasnout | hi, is there a way to tell apt-get to pretend a particular package is "already installed" ? |
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| 08:22.13 | Pegger | what is the name of the snmp web program that gratheres statics I belive that it's mascot is a cactius |
| 08:22.15 | liable | Gumby: seems default is 25 actually.. |
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| 08:22.30 | Pegger | fwd=free world dial up |
| 08:22.39 | Gumby | liable: ok, I'll try that |
| 08:22.41 | Gumby | brb |
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| 08:23.05 | jm_ | Pegger: cacti, but also take a look at munin |
| 08:23.25 | Pegger | jm_, why do you use munin |
| 08:23.35 | jm_ | Pegger: because it doesn't need snmp |
| 08:23.45 | Pegger | jm_, then what does it use |
| 08:24.02 | amicrawle | that nvidia did not help |
| 08:24.02 | Pegger | it';s own set of tools? |
| 08:24.05 | jm_ | Pegger: and it can also graph more things out of the box and is easier to write new plugins for |
| 08:24.22 | amicrawle | i do not have ubuntui |
| 08:24.30 | amicrawle | i have deb |
| 08:24.45 | Pegger | jm_, well cacti can do anything that has snmp support right |
| 08:24.58 | jm_ | Pegger: so can munin - they're both very generic |
| 08:25.27 | Gumby | liable: that did the trick. thank you |
| 08:25.41 | blubberus | may be thats a stupid question, but can i read the debian Usenet News-groups without an usenet account maybe with mozilla phoenix or so? |
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| 08:25.45 | Pegger | jm_, is this the home page http://munin.projects.linpro.no/svn/munin/trunk/munin-doc-base.html |
| 08:25.51 | EdLin | !drxx amicrawle |
| 08:25.51 | dpkg | amicrawle: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:25.51 | jm_ | Pegger: yes |
| 08:25.52 | amicrawle | debhelper will you help me plez |
| 08:25.57 | yos87 | hi |
| 08:26.09 | liable | Gumby: np |
| 08:26.22 | yos87 | I cannot get a channel list |
| 08:26.27 | yos87 | It stay empty |
| 08:26.28 | Gumby | now, I have to track down why things keep segfaulting :( |
| 08:26.29 | yos87 | why? |
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| 08:26.45 | liable | sussudio_: guess we didnt say much? :) |
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| 08:27.33 | Pegger | jm_, so do you use munin, and suggest it over cacti |
| 08:27.48 | jm_ | Pegger: yes |
| 08:27.59 | SlayerXP | munin is lovely |
| 08:28.03 | SlayerXP | It Just Works[tm] |
| 08:28.16 | amicrawle | i for got were my xfree config was it has been a while |
| 08:28.46 | Eno_ | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 08:29.07 | _fred | Hi! I have installed LAMP on debian testing and MAMBO. Everything runs fine locally but when I connect from another PC on my network graphics don't load and the layout is very weird as well. Ie been trying to google that, but no clue. I guess it must be a stupid missing something... anyone has any idea? |
| 08:29.20 | liable | amicrawle: dont edit it by hand if you really dont need to. |
| 08:29.31 | amicrawle | i'm using xorg |
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| 08:29.41 | Eno_ | Then it's xorg.conf. |
| 08:29.51 | liable | its still im X11 |
| 08:30.13 | amicrawle | GeForce FX 5700VE that what i have |
| 08:30.22 | liable | hah, i corrected one typo and made another.. |
| 08:30.26 | Pegger | jm_, do i need munin-node installed on every machine that I want to monitor? |
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| 08:30.45 | amicrawle | eno what line do i need to edit |
| 08:31.02 | Eno_ | What are you trying to do? |
| 08:31.08 | jm_ | Pegger: yes |
| 08:31.13 | liable | amicrawle: i thought you said you installed sarge? |
| 08:31.34 | amicrawle | i did |
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| 08:31.56 | amicrawle | i got it from debian.org the gui installer iso |
| 08:31.57 | darkalia | hi |
| 08:32.07 | Eno_ | Plain sarge comes with Xfree not xorg.. |
| 08:32.31 | amicrawle | i looked it has xorg in it now |
| 08:32.47 | EdLin | !d-i amicrawle |
| 08:32.47 | dpkg | amicrawle, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 08:32.49 | Eno_ | It doesn't change.. |
| 08:33.42 | liable | amicrawle: i think you will find, you installed etch... cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:34.04 | blubberus | to read the debian News-groups is there a usenet account required? I never used something like that. e.g. what to do if i want to read de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc ?? |
| 08:34.23 | darkalia | anyway, searching for xorg in sarge package does not provide any answer... |
| 08:34.57 | EdLin | blubberus: more Debian stuff goes on in mailing lists, though if you prefer I think there's a mail to news gateway for several of them. |
| 08:35.14 | Eno_ | darkalia: Sarge doesn't have xorg |
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| 08:35.35 | darkalia | Eno_, I know |
| 08:35.47 | darkalia | saying that for amicrawle |
| 08:35.51 | Eno_ | Ah. :) |
| 08:35.56 | darkalia | :p |
| 08:36.11 | _fred | Hi! I have installed LAMP on debian testing and MAMBO. Everything runs fine locally but when I connect from another PC on my network graphics don't load and the layout is very weird as well. Ie been trying to google that, but no clue. I guess it must be a stupid missing something... anyone has any idea? |
| 08:36.12 | darkalia | I think it 's the fastest way to know about it :) |
| 08:36.49 | Eno_ | I think backports.org has xorg now, for sarge... |
| 08:37.04 | EdLin | _fred: you're running a server with etch? |
| 08:37.10 | _fred | yes |
| 08:37.20 | EdLin | !pal _fred |
| 08:37.24 | blubberus | EdLin: I thought i could read also old threads, there is no athor way then this two ways? |
| 08:37.48 | _fred | what's funny? |
| 08:37.49 | bibe | _fred : you configured your mambo to run on localhost |
| 08:37.54 | _fred | yes |
| 08:37.58 | EdLin | blubberus: Debian has complete (or nearly complete?) mail archives for all its lists |
| 08:38.07 | amicrawle | This is a Debian etch installation image, built on 20051130. |
| 08:38.07 | bibe | _fred : the funny thing is that you run testing on a production server |
| 08:38.10 | dondelelcaro | blubberus: just visit lists.debian.org |
| 08:38.24 | darkalia | Eno_, yeah it does |
| 08:38.31 | amicrawle | Welcome to Debian GNU |
| 08:38.39 | _fred | well the server is just running on my local laptop on my home network.. i wouldn't call that a production server |
| 08:38.40 | amicrawle | that is what i installed |
| 08:38.45 | bibe | _fred : your remote clients try to load graphics from localhost too... but localhost for them is their local machine |
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| 08:39.02 | EdLin | amicrawle: if you're a beginner you're better off installing stable first, then if you have a good reason to upgrade to another distribution. |
| 08:39.13 | EdLin | ... of Debian |
| 08:39.22 | amicrawle | i did get stable |
| 08:39.25 | bibe | _fred : configure mambo substituting localhost with your network address |
| 08:39.38 | EdLin | amicrawle: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:39.39 | amicrawle | i run novell 10 as my main distro |
| 08:39.40 | _fred | ok thanks. I understand now... hehe |
| 08:39.46 | _fred | great! |
| 08:39.59 | blubberus | THX! |
| 08:40.03 | EdLin | amicrawle: stable Debian, I'm not talking about other stuff. |
| 08:40.05 | _fred | bye for now |
| 08:40.12 | amicrawle | testing/unstable |
| 08:40.19 | amicrawle | that what is says |
| 08:40.30 | EdLin | amicrawle: then you didn't install stable, did you. Why must you lie? |
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| 08:41.29 | harshal | ls |
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| 08:41.42 | amicrawle | i thought that is what i installed |
| 08:41.46 | liable | EdLin: i think its more a case of clueless :) |
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| 08:41.58 | amicrawle | i'm new to deb give me a break plez |
| 08:42.06 | Coke | amicrawle: new to english too? |
| 08:42.14 | Coke | a bit of a difference in the words "stable and "testign" |
| 08:42.15 | amicrawle | love you 2 |
| 08:42.17 | Coke | testing, even |
| 08:42.19 | EdLin | amicrawle: well, take a look at the d-i factoid I sent you and get a more bug-free installer |
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| 08:42.56 | liable | anyway, this still doesnt help him fix his problem.. |
| 08:42.58 | Coke | amicrawle: are you unhappy with Novell? |
| 08:43.00 | liable | hrm |
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| 08:43.46 | EdLin | amicrawle: if you actually need testing or sid you can dist-upgrade to it from stable. The etch installers are probably the worst way to get etch atm, they are highly experimental - especially the graphics one |
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| 08:44.37 | spotted | Hello, I'm experiencing some problems |
| 08:44.39 | deadline | hi there im looking forward to create an own sarge netinstaller. im not really sure if that _http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt_ is what i need. maybe there is a better/easier solution? |
| 08:44.41 | spotted | with cdrecord |
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| 08:44.52 | fuzzyBSc | SlayerXP: Thanks for your input. I have added references to some existing bounty schemes, and contrasted their approach with that of Efficient Software. |
| 08:44.57 | spotted | I followed the tutorial on ATAPI devices with cdrecord but it doesn't work yet. |
| 08:45.16 | spotted | I had a look at /etc/modules and I saw some models that maybe should not be loaded |
| 08:45.16 | liable | spotted: were you the one with the 2.6.15 kernel? |
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| 08:45.35 | spotted | liable, no, I asked something about the desktop manager before |
| 08:45.36 | spotted | ^^ |
| 08:45.43 | spotted | and I fixed that |
| 08:45.46 | deadline | 2.6.15 ? lol |
| 08:45.49 | liable | oh |
| 08:45.59 | spotted | I use 2.6.12.3 btw |
| 08:45.59 | liable | deadline: yes |
| 08:46.08 | jm_ | nice changelog entry for 2.6.15 |
| 08:46.13 | spotted | Can anyone help me to figure out what's wrong? |
| 08:46.30 | jm_ | spotted: I suspect your local mind reader can |
| 08:46.32 | liable | spotted: does scanbus find it? |
| 08:46.35 | deadline | spotted: i bet you have to describe your problem a little more detailed |
| 08:46.49 | spotted | liable, no, as I said I followed the guide cdrecord prompted me |
| 08:47.04 | rage | How to I switch apt/dpkgs front end from readline to ncurses? |
| 08:47.11 | spotted | and it said to add menu.lst append="hdc=ide-scsi" |
| 08:47.11 | liable | spotted: well, i am not going to read it, so.. |
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| 08:47.18 | Gumby | spotted: do you use kde? |
| 08:47.21 | defenestrate | g'night |
| 08:47.22 | EdLin | rage: run aptitude |
| 08:47.25 | spotted | and next use modconf to load generic scsi and scsi emulation |
| 08:47.30 | spotted | Gumby, no, I use gnome |
| 08:47.37 | deadline | nobody any syggestion to my project? |
| 08:47.39 | rage | EdLin: not quite what I meant, |
| 08:47.42 | jm_ | spotted: no, don't do that if you're using recent kernels |
| 08:47.43 | Gumby | spotted: isnt there gtoaster or something like that? |
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| 08:47.55 | liable | rage: dpkg-reconfigure debconf (i think is what you want) |
| 08:47.56 | spotted | Gumby, I'm trying to use cdrecord |
| 08:47.58 | EdLin | rage: wait a minute, you're talking about debconf. "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" I think is what you need. |
| 08:48.04 | spotted | I have always used it command line |
| 08:48.05 | spotted | ^^ |
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| 08:48.09 | spotted | like the good guys do |
| 08:48.10 | spotted | :D |
| 08:48.12 | rage | Thats the one, thanks EdLin and liable |
| 08:48.15 | Gumby | spotted: I dont think with 2.6 kernels you need scsi emulation |
| 08:48.32 | spotted | Gumby, cdrecord doesn't just see that |
| 08:48.34 | EdLin | rage: yw |
| 08:48.34 | spotted | :( |
| 08:48.41 | rage | :-) |
| 08:49.49 | EdLin | spotted: you can use dev=/dev/hdc (if that's your CD device), it's not officially supported but it works (with a 2.6 kernel) |
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| 08:50.17 | spotted | EdLin, I put it into xcdroast but it doesn't see that anyway |
| 08:50.22 | spotted | that's where the problem came from |
| 08:50.26 | spotted | and the same cdrecord |
| 08:50.34 | EdLin | spotted: then try it without xcdroast. |
| 08:50.34 | spotted | I'm using the unofficial version that comes with etch |
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| 08:51.04 | Coke | What is the package that configures sound for firefox? tried reconfigure on mozilla-firefox, no dialogs. |
| 08:51.06 | EdLin | spotted: that shouldn't make a difference |
| 08:51.21 | EdLin | spotted: I've used that command on both sarge and sid |
| 08:51.44 | EdLin | (sarge with a 2.6 kernel that is) |
| 08:52.31 | spotted | well, it works now |
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| 08:52.38 | spotted | with scsi emulation |
| 08:52.40 | spotted | ^^ |
| 08:53.19 | BusMaster | my isp charges heavily if my upload/download exceeds 1gb per month..but he does not let me check how much I've used up. Is there a way I can do it at my end? I'm running sarge. |
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| 08:53.47 | EdLin | BusMaster: emigrate |
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| 08:54.27 | liable | BusMaster: change isp if i were you (if you havent rebooted, ifconfig) |
| 08:55.07 | BusMaster | EdLin, liable can't switch isp's. He;'s the only isp in this region |
| 08:55.21 | squadra^ | where do live... kongo=? |
| 08:55.30 | BusMaster | india...a rather remote part of it :) |
| 08:55.36 | squadra^ | i can do up to 1tb/month and more |
| 08:55.39 | squadra^ | without problems |
| 08:55.50 | BusMaster | squadra^, that's enough already. don't make me jealous :) |
| 08:55.52 | squadra^ | wrong country :P |
| 08:55.54 | deadline | BusMaster: there are a lot of tools which would measure your traffic. conky or torsmo for example (most desktop system monitors do) |
| 08:56.22 | squadra^ | BusMaster get a greencard ;) |
| 08:56.27 | ThomasAH | BusMaster: Hey, at least you have access to DSL ... my father has only ISDN |
| 08:56.35 | ThomasAH | (in Germany) |
| 08:56.43 | squadra^ | bad bad |
| 08:56.43 | Coke | BusMaster: you can use something like gkrellm and activate the network traffic plugin. |
| 08:56.44 | EdLin | I'm on dial-up actually |
| 08:56.47 | squadra^ | <- 16mbit |
| 08:56.48 | squadra^ | germany, too |
| 08:57.04 | BusMaster | deadline, i'll google for conky and torsmo. the desktop monitors merely tell me the traffic for one session...which means I'll have to manually keep adding the numbers after every disconnect |
| 08:57.06 | deadline | <--100Mbit NL |
| 08:57.09 | deadline | :D |
| 08:57.23 | squadra^ | deadline surfnet link? |
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| 08:57.27 | BusMaster | Coke, same problem with gkrellm..it doesn't add up the traffic for the previous sessions |
| 08:57.36 | deadline | squadra^: no, i work at a ISP :) |
| 08:57.37 | ThomasAH | squadra^: But probably not in a 1500 souls village |
| 08:57.46 | Coke | BusMaster: I think it takes a reboot to reset it? |
| 08:57.48 | Coke | maybe not. |
| 08:58.00 | liable | BusMaster: you cant even ring and ask? |
| 08:58.02 | squadra^ | ThomasAH i had 6mbit in a 2000 souls village before |
| 08:58.05 | deadline | BusMaster: torsmo and conky are quite similar (torsmo is in apt) it can measure the traffic per month i think |
| 08:58.05 | jm_ | BusMaster: IP accounting |
| 08:58.10 | squadra^ | deadcat ouch... leaseweb? |
| 08:58.28 | squadra^ | leaseweb hurts ;) |
| 08:58.35 | BusMaster | Coke, what I need is a tool which i'll reset on the 1st of every month and then at any date later in that month, i should know that Ive consumed X amount of b/w till that date, beginning from that month |
| 08:58.45 | BusMaster | jm_, something like that |
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| 08:58.50 | Coke | Some underpopulated villages in Sweden have fiber cables installed because of the governments program. Most of them don't use it. |
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| 08:59.05 | deadline | im curious my highlights dont work in irssi *argghhh* |
| 08:59.07 | squadra^ | they shouldnt be calld hosting company, better ftp hosting company ;)= |
| 08:59.12 | BusMaster | liable, nope...the isp is owned by the govt. they don't answer phones |
| 08:59.14 | squadra^ | +e |
| 08:59.17 | deadline | squadra^: lol |
| 08:59.24 | squadra^ | or way better |
| 08:59.29 | squadra^ | glftpd hosting ;) |
| 08:59.33 | ThomasAH | deadline: Highlights only work if other people type them |
| 08:59.43 | jm_ | BusMaster: I use that for statistic purposes, it's called on ifdown/pppdown and from cron at 23:59 each day, it writes data to some file and then I have reporting tool that can report on various criteria |
| 08:59.49 | deadline | ThomasAH: actually i meant my hilighted nickname... |
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| 09:00.25 | squadra^ | bah... gradm sucks badly |
| 09:00.46 | BusMaster | jm_, exactly what I need. but I am not much of a programmer/script writer so i was looking for an out-of-the-box soultion |
| 09:00.47 | ThomasAH | deadline: What's the deadline line in the output of /hilight? |
| 09:01.16 | jm_ | BusMaster: I haven't found anything so I wrote something for myself |
| 09:01.17 | BusMaster | jm_, do i have to recompile my kernel to enable IP accounting? |
| 09:01.21 | jm_ | BusMaster: no |
| 09:01.29 | jm_ | BusMaster: you only need iptables rules |
| 09:01.37 | squadra^ | ulog-acctd |
| 09:01.55 | deadline | ThomasAH: 1 deadline |
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| 09:02.16 | BusMaster | jm_, oh. okay..I found someting about ip accounting in the linux network administrators guide...'ll go through it |
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| 09:02.44 | jm_ | BusMaster: should be OK as long as it's written for ipchains/iptables |
| 09:02.53 | ThomasAH | deadline: Hm, maybe your loaded theme doesn't have a color for this? |
| 09:03.01 | BusMaster | jm_, thanks for hte info |
| 09:03.03 | liable | deadline: go to irssi.org and check out the themes (or make one) |
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| 09:03.16 | deadline | ThomasAH: thought the same, tried several themes, it worked before! |
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| 09:03.43 | deadline | liable: other hilights do work (like *foo* or _foo_) |
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| 09:04.15 | ThomasAH | deadline: Maybe a different terminal? |
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| 09:04.44 | xxenon | I've installed linux-source-2.6.14. How do I get the default .config the would build all the modules ? |
| 09:04.50 | xxenon | (defaut debian kernel config) |
| 09:05.15 | deadline | ThomasAH: thats a good question, let me try |
| 09:05.32 | fwd | xxenon, just check all the modules ;-) |
| 09:05.42 | xxenon | fwd - sure, haha |
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| 09:06.05 | fwd | and I bet you don't need all of them |
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| 09:06.26 | jm_ | xxenon: ls /boot |
| 09:06.30 | fwd | for instance - do you have a non-IDE or non-SCSI CD? |
| 09:06.33 | deadline | deadline_: test! |
| 09:06.37 | fwd | or a ISDN? |
| 09:06.44 | deadline_ | deadline: test! |
| 09:06.54 | deadline | ThomasAH: no changes, same problem... |
| 09:07.18 | liable | xxenon: /boot/config-blah.. |
| 09:07.48 | liable | !lose me |
| 09:07.48 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 09:07.55 | liable | i am going blind.. |
| 09:08.02 | deadline | !lose liable |
| 09:08.02 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
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| 09:08.05 | ThomasAH | deadline: Maybe /set term_force_colors on ... or ask on #irssi for better help |
| 09:08.07 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 09:08.18 | deadline | ThomasAH: ok thanks so far |
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| 09:08.36 | deadline | oh wow |
| 09:08.43 | deadline | ThomasAH is irssi_god_ |
| 09:08.46 | deadline | :) |
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| 09:08.58 | gypsymauro | I've created a cd with a lot of dsc and I created the Sources.gs with dpkg-scansources in the root of the media, now doing apt-cdrom add it doesn't add a deb-src line, I'm doing something wrong? |
| 09:09.14 | deadline | it finally seems that the themes now have the *right* colors |
| 09:09.19 | xxenon | liable - thx |
| 09:09.23 | deadline | ThomasAH: gracias |
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| 09:09.28 | ThomasAH | deadline: What's your $TERM value? |
| 09:09.35 | deadline | ThomasAH: vt100 |
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| 09:09.49 | ThomasAH | deadline: Ah, this may explain it :) |
| 09:09.57 | Sonny | hi guys |
| 09:10.12 | deadline | ThomasAH: so what actually went wrong. does vt100 not support the colors or? |
| 09:10.45 | ThomasAH | deadline: at least it is not guaranteed to support colors, so irssi doesn't show them by default. |
| 09:10.51 | EdLin | deadline: the DEC vt100 is a monocrome terminal |
| 09:10.51 | Sonny | can somebody help me to install my touchpad? |
| 09:11.03 | deadline | ThomasAH: ok thanks for education :) |
| 09:11.49 | deadline | EdLin: oh, so using vt100 is not very common to use? |
| 09:12.21 | EdLin | deadline: actually it is a very common terminal emulation |
| 09:13.20 | liable | !kill mosquitoes |
| 09:14.09 | Sonny | hey friends, please I cannnot make my mouse and touchpad function together |
| 09:14.40 | Gibbs | !kill dpkg |
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| 09:18.03 | nima | does /tmp clear on shutdown? |
| 09:18.29 | jm_ | no, it cleans on startup |
| 09:18.51 | nima | thanks |
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| 09:19.56 | nima | if you have a lot of ram, is it a good idea to make it a ramdisk? |
| 09:21.13 | jm_ | no |
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| 09:24.40 | spatulasnout | hi, do many folks run production servers on "testing"? or usually "stable"? |
| 09:25.09 | fireba11 | hopefully noone |
| 09:25.33 | fireba11 | runs a productive server on testing |
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| 09:25.39 | tarzeau | spatulasnout: stable |
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| 09:25.50 | Gibbs | I run production server on unstable |
| 09:25.54 | spatulasnout | hehe |
| 09:25.56 | tarzeau | spatulasnout: i'd rather run it on sid than testing |
| 09:26.11 | fireba11 | spatulasnout: use stable and backports if you really need something that's not in there |
| 09:26.14 | Gibbs | yeah, sid moves faster, get the new bugs fixed quicker |
| 09:26.26 | spatulasnout | tarzeau: ahh... somehow I thougt sid was testing :-o |
| 09:26.38 | tarzeau | spatulasnout: etch is testing |
| 09:26.52 | akyl | hi @ all! i have a debian sarge system where i authenticate against a windows 2003 domain. i use pam_mount to mount the users home directories from the windows server! if i use pam mount i can't login at my gnome desktop - but if i don't use pam_mount I can login without problems! I think I have to change something at the configuration of the grafical user interface but i don't know what! |
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| 09:30.26 | spotted | mmm |
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| 09:30.36 | spotted | I fixed everything, now the system is OK. |
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| 09:30.41 | spotted | There's just one thing left. |
| 09:30.47 | spotted | I have to install libopenexr |
| 09:31.04 | spotted | in order to do so it says it has do delet 256 packages |
| 09:31.09 | spotted | is there any work around not to trash kde? |
| 09:31.12 | liable | thats prolly bad.. |
| 09:31.15 | spotted | workaround* |
| 09:31.19 | tarzeau | #debian-kde |
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| 09:32.59 | doleyb | spotted: are you on sid? that might not be a real problem you are seeing |
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| 09:33.47 | spotted | doleyb, I'm on etch |
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| 09:35.41 | nima | is anyone else having trouble with gaim on unstable? |
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| 09:35.53 | tarzeau | !bts |
| 09:35.53 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 09:36.21 | nima | too complicated |
| 09:36.21 | windowmaker | anybody know how to fix the flashplayer sync problem for firefox? |
| 09:36.21 | spotted | doleyb, what'd I do? |
| 09:36.48 | tarzeau | windowmaker: macromedia.com |
| 09:36.57 | tarzeau | windowmaker: or mozilla.org |
| 09:38.14 | tarzeau | windowmaker: ff1 or 1.5? don't bother both suck |
| 09:38.14 | liable | nima: then please donate your computer and leave immediately. |
| 09:38.14 | doleyb | spotted: i don't have etch, i don't know |
| 09:38.14 | windowmaker | tarzeau, ff1.07.... i got it from macromedia.com |
| 09:38.14 | tarzeau | windowmaker: yeah go ask macromedia.com |
| 09:38.15 | nima | liable? |
| 09:38.15 | windowmaker | =( |
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| 09:38.15 | tarzeau | nima: you can leave your computer on the street in a brown paper bag |
| 09:38.15 | tarzeau | liable: right? :) |
| 09:38.15 | windowmaker | nima, are yout he same nima that's also in #linux ? |
| 09:38.20 | nima | fine, its too complicated for 4:40am |
| 09:38.33 | nima | yeah, windowmaker |
| 09:38.33 | liable | nima: you use sid, yet say bts is too complicated? |
| 09:38.41 | zimnyx | What method of tracking system file changes would you advise me? (for security) |
| 09:38.46 | doleyb | windowmaker: on 1 irc network, it must be the same guy |
| 09:39.03 | windowmaker | doleyb, there's always a slight chance! |
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| 09:39.14 | sep | zimnyx, something like tripwire, and save the checksums on RO media' |
| 09:39.25 | tosh | try AIDE |
| 09:39.34 | tarzeau | don't bother |
| 09:39.36 | nima | at 4:40 am, i am too tired to do much besides read what you people are saying, and type some stuff every once in a while |
| 09:39.42 | tosh | tarzeau ? |
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| 09:39.47 | mhall | 'lo |
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| 09:40.34 | tosh | anyone know of a program to make checksums of syslog logs in realtime? |
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| 09:40.52 | bibe | hi all. A trivial question: I built a .deb for my kernel using fakeroot and make-kpkg as a user belonging to the "src" group, but 'cat /proc/version' still says (root@scratchy). How can I have a .deb package leading to the "normal" user in /proc/version? |
| 09:40.57 | tarzeau | tosh: print it to paper, nobody's going to change it on paper |
| 09:41.17 | tosh | haha |
| 09:41.20 | tosh | </humor> |
| 09:41.21 | tarzeau | bibe: don't bother |
| 09:41.24 | tosh | you made a funny |
| 09:41.40 | tarzeau | tosh: a oneliner can do what you want |
| 09:41.56 | tarzeau | tosh: do you log local or remote? |
| 09:42.03 | tosh | local |
| 09:42.10 | tosh | I tried msyslog, but its discontinued |
| 09:42.17 | bibe | tarzeau : I was just wondering why a kernel-image 'stock' package has different usernames in /proc/version. Not much work today |
| 09:42.19 | bibe | :) |
| 09:42.25 | tosh | is uses the PEO API for md5/sha-1 of syslog logs |
| 09:42.29 | tarzeau | bibe: go play nethack instead |
| 09:42.34 | tosh | but nobody uses it anymore |
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| 09:43.06 | zimnyx | sep: thanks |
| 09:43.08 | tarzeau | tosh: nice, and now what? |
| 09:43.23 | shad0w1e | anyone know about USB polling rates? |
| 09:43.29 | bibe | tarzeau : thanks for the tip... ;) |
| 09:43.37 | tarzeau | shad0w1e: i only know that USB suckes very badly much |
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| 09:43.42 | sep | zimnyx, as tosh said, aide might be a better choise |
| 09:43.46 | shad0w1e | tarzeau, lol |
| 09:43.58 | tarzeau | shad0w1e: it's as slow as the slowest device |
| 09:44.10 | shad0w1e | I was unaware of that |
| 09:44.10 | tarzeau | shad0w1e: if you got a keyboard mouse, your harddisk will be unbearable slow |
| 09:44.16 | tarzeau | shad0w1e: i told you USB was shit |
| 09:44.17 | shad0w1e | waaaat!! |
| 09:44.22 | shad0w1e | how sure are you!? |
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| 09:44.25 | tarzeau | very |
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| 09:44.28 | tosh | firewire>usb2 |
| 09:44.35 | tarzeau | tosh: ANYTHING > usb |
| 09:44.40 | shad0w1e | firewire ~~ USB |
| 09:44.41 | Anyone | tarzeau, seems the card will work - I just need to upgrade the kernel! :-) |
| 09:44.49 | Guerin | no |
| 09:44.53 | tarzeau | Anyone: nice, your own kernel? |
| 09:45.03 | Anyone | tarzeau, Yeah, just downloaded 2.6.15 :-) |
| 09:45.15 | Guerin | usb2 is only more popular than firewire because it has legacy usb1 support |
| 09:45.25 | tarzeau | someone knows the vmware nat deamon security bug, is there a fix for it? |
| 09:45.33 | Anyone | I am trying to find the config in /proc |
| 09:45.44 | tarzeau | Anyone: look in /boot for .* |
| 09:45.53 | Anyone | Guerin, how many firewire printers do you know? |
| 09:46.15 | Anyone | tarzeau, no hidden files in /boot, apparently. |
| 09:46.16 | doleyb | firewire is deprecated, even by Apple |
| 09:46.18 | Guerin | Anyone: none, but that's only because there's no speed benefit for making them. |
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| 09:46.28 | Guerin | Anyone: /boot/config-* |
| 09:46.45 | Anyone | Bingo! :-) |
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| 09:46.50 | Guerin | Anyone: the one in /proc is called config.gz, but I don't know where |
| 09:47.24 | Gnea | firewire's benefit draws only the amount of bandwidth that goes down the pipeline. usb1/2 is like using a hub instead of a switch, with the additive of consuming more power, depending how many and what devices are plugged into it. |
| 09:47.25 | Anyone | ~$ find /proc -iname config.gz 2>/dev/null |
| 09:47.28 | Anyone | no result |
| 09:47.39 | Anyone | Maybe debian kernel doesn't support? |
| 09:47.44 | Guerin | Anyone: tough titties, then. |
| 09:47.49 | Guerin | Anyone: should do. |
| 09:47.57 | dondelelcaro | Anyone: debian's kernel doesn't include it because we ship /boot/config-* |
| 09:48.03 | Guerin | but hell, since I don't know which kernel you're using, who am I to guess? |
| 09:48.11 | Anyone | dondelelcaro, ahh. |
| 09:48.19 | Gnea | Anyone: it's in /boot/config-<version> that's been a solid standard for years |
| 09:48.19 | Anyone | Guerin, I'm using 2.6.14-2 |
| 09:48.30 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.31 | Anyone | Gnea, right, I'll use that. :_) |
| 09:48.46 | mithro | hi! my ssh is acting really weird. It dies at the creating interactive prompt. It does this when connecting to any server. It then can't be killed by CTRL-C either |
| 09:48.53 | tarzeau | for debian gnu/kfreebsd it's different |
| 09:48.54 | mithro | I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling |
| 09:48.57 | mithro | any other ideas? |
| 09:49.06 | Gnea | mithro: what does verbosity have to say about it? |
| 09:49.10 | tarzeau | mithro: you can start other processes? |
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| 09:49.28 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: well, considering it's a totally different kernel, a *lot* of things are different. ;-) |
| 09:49.31 | mithro | tarzeau: yeah other processes are working fine |
| 09:49.47 | Anyone | Does the bot have a guide on building kernel with kpackage or whatever is recommended in debian? |
| 09:49.50 | tarzeau | mithro: which sshd is that? gnu? or open? version? checked BTS? |
| 09:49.56 | tarzeau | !make-kpkg |
| 09:49.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 09:49.59 | Guerin | Anyone: /msg dpkg kp |
| 09:50.06 | Gnea | mithro: ssh -v -v -v <host> |
| 09:50.09 | Anyone | tarzeau, thanks :) |
| 09:50.14 | tarzeau | Gnea: or -vvv ? |
| 09:50.18 | Anyone | Guerin, thanks |
| 09:50.28 | Gnea | that too :) |
| 09:50.30 | mithro | tarzeau: i'm trying to connect to sshd - but it's a problem with the ssh client, other people can connect to the servers fine |
| 09:50.33 | Gnea | !beer tarzeau |
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| 09:50.49 | Gnea | mithro: we understand what you're trying to do. |
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| 09:51.03 | tarzeau | Gnea: i don't like beer, but you can offer me wine |
| 09:51.11 | mithro | The last two lines are |
| 09:51.15 | mithro | debug2: callback done |
| 09:51.15 | mithro | debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768 |
| 09:51.21 | mithro | then it freezes |
| 09:51.22 | Gnea | tarzeau: there's a url for that :) |
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| 09:52.20 | k8to | any idea about the status of testing/wine? it fails on start, could be my fault, i don't see the error in the bug list: wine: failed to initialize: /usr/lib/wine/ntdll.dll.so: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory |
| 09:52.27 | mithro | Gnea: i also tried doing something like "echo hello", but I don't get any output |
| 09:52.40 | GTswagger | Quirky question: Where in the world can I find a tux stress ball? There's NONE on eBay. EVERY site I found on Google has like 150 qty minimums.... |
| 09:52.40 | Anyone | !wine tarzeau |
| 09:52.52 | mithro | any idea? |
| 09:52.55 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:53.07 | Guerin | GTswagger: buy 150 and sell them on ebay |
| 09:53.10 | Gnea | mithro: have you made any changes to sshd_config on the remote host or ssh_config on the client? |
| 09:53.13 | Guerin | sorry |
| 09:53.16 | Guerin | sell 149 on ebay |
| 09:53.20 | nima | should i report the bug to gaim, debian, or both? |
| 09:53.20 | zimnyx | tosh: sep: i was using debian (apache2) for a few months without any system files checksums. Is there any method that make me sure there was no intrusion, or should i rather reinstall whole system before installing AIDE |
| 09:53.21 | tarzeau | mithro: that's what i meant with another process |
| 09:53.25 | Anyone | GTswagger, call them or email them and ask for a reseller. |
| 09:53.28 | tarzeau | mithro: did you play with ulimit and got bash? |
| 09:53.29 | Flimzy | Will a stock kernel source build a debian-bootable initrd kernel, despite the warnning that make-kpkg gives with the --initrd option? |
| 09:53.38 | GTswagger | Guerin -- Ok - let me borrow the necessary $375 that would require ;) |
| 09:53.40 | nesys | hi folks, I've problems with scripts with variables ... same script on freebsd system works, that is a syntax problem |
| 09:53.42 | Guerin | zimnyx: debsums? |
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| 09:53.50 | bibe | ll |
| 09:53.55 | mithro | Gnea: i have made no changes to sshd_config on the remote hosts (i've tried 4 different servers run by different people - include one by me) |
| 09:54.01 | k8to | nima: in general, i report to both upstream and package owner |
| 09:54.08 | nsdutch | What's up everyboday. :) |
| 09:54.09 | k8to | nima: and i make sure to tell the package owner this |
| 09:54.17 | mithro | I havn't made any changes to my .ssh/config or /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 09:54.21 | Gnea | mithro: are you sure the username exists on that system? |
| 09:54.23 | k8to | nima: along with the bug number or whatever |
| 09:54.24 | nima | upstream? |
| 09:54.29 | nesys | could you help me? the script is http://pastebin.com/488428 |
| 09:54.34 | Anyone | GTswagger, you just have to sell them before you pay for them. Usually they'll grant you 7 days of credit when buying large quantums. |
| 09:54.55 | tosh | zimnyx last option Im afraid |
| 09:55.31 | mithro | Gnea: yeah |
| 09:55.38 | k8to | zimnyx: the last option is the only way to be sure you're clean, really |
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| 09:55.50 | k8to | zimnyx: the others are gambling |
| 09:55.53 | Gnea | mithro: so no one can get onto the system? |
| 09:56.02 | nsdutch | Could somebody please help me? I have read many guides and can't, for the life of me, install a .tar |
| 09:56.03 | dondelelcaro | nesys: why in the world are you doing that? use procmail or similar instead. |
| 09:56.08 | nsdutch | All I need is once and I can do it myself from then on |
| 09:56.11 | nsdutch | and learn from there. |
| 09:56.20 | nsdutch | Anybody care to help out a debian noob? |
| 09:56.21 | mithro | Gnea: other people get on the system fine, I can't |
| 09:56.24 | k8to | nsdutch: you can unpack a tar with tar xf file.tar |
| 09:56.25 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 09:56.26 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 09:56.28 | dondelelcaro | nsdutch: first off, don't install things from tarballs. Install the Debian package. |
| 09:56.30 | Gnea | nsdutch: .tar's don't get 'installed', they're just a file containing other files, like a zip file |
| 09:56.48 | GTswagger | Anyone -- Though Linux has *alot* of users; I don't think I could pull off selling 149 on ebay and coordinate it with receiving my 150 pc shipment |
| 09:56.52 | Gnea | mithro: sounds like you've been owned. can you get on with one of their accounts? |
| 09:57.00 | mithro | Gnea: nope |
| 09:57.04 | nsdutch | Three different answers - |
| 09:57.09 | nsdutch | dondel: How do I install that? |
| 09:57.12 | GTswagger | Anyone -- Although it would be *VERY* amusing to see 150 tux penguins laying around everywhere |
| 09:57.12 | k8to | nsdutch: they're all correct! |
| 09:57.13 | Flimzy | GTswagger, what are you trying to sell? |
| 09:57.14 | mithro | Gnea: I can't get onto any ssh machine :/ |
| 09:57.17 | dondelelcaro | nsdutch: what are you trying to install? |
| 09:57.35 | Gnea | mithro: wipe out your ~/.ssh/ dir and try again (mv it somewhere else) |
| 09:57.44 | GTswagger | Flimzy -- not trying to sell -- trying to buy a tux stress ball... but there are NONE on eBay... and the sites I found via Google have like 150 qty minimums |
| 09:57.44 | nsdutch | don: Azureus and ASSS |
| 09:57.47 | Guerin | GTswagger: you coulf pack them into a cannon and fire them at something! |
| 09:57.56 | Flimzy | GTswagger: ha |
| 09:58.01 | nesys | dondelelcaro the problem is not procmail/maildrop, but variables |
| 09:58.05 | Guerin | nsdutch: did you mean to say Azureus IS ASSS? |
| 09:58.11 | Gnea | stressing over a stress ball. terrific. |
| 09:58.16 | Flimzy | GTswagger: Find a local LUG |
| 09:58.18 | nesys | dondelelcaro same script on freebsd system works like a charm |
| 09:58.24 | Anyone | GTswagger, :-) |
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| 09:58.31 | nsdutch | Naw, Azureus and Another Small Subspace Server - a dev server\environ for SubSpace\Continuum client. |
| 09:58.35 | Flimzy | GTswagger, See if they'll buy them in qts of 10 at a time... that would make it easier for you to get rid of the excess if you order 150 |
| 09:58.41 | GTswagger | Flimzy -- depressingly, *I* run the local LUGs that I am aware of.... |
| 09:58.45 | Flimzy | GTswagger: I bet my LUG here would take 10 or 'em |
| 09:58.46 | dondelelcaro | dsotm: apt-get install azureus. |
| 09:58.50 | k8to | nsdutch: the classic debian thing is : apt-get install azureus |
| 09:58.56 | dondelelcaro | s/dsotm/nsdutch/ |
| 09:58.59 | nsdutch | k8to: thanks |
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| 09:59.01 | s-toned | UDF on DVD-RAM with kernel 2.4.26 works, but with kernel 2.6.8 it does not (same machine, module udf is loaded) What can I do? |
| 09:59.05 | tarzeau | Flimzy: so would mine. shipping costs? |
| 09:59.06 | Flimzy | GTswagger, If it was worth your hassle to ship 10 of them here. hehe |
| 09:59.07 | k8to | nsdutch: i recommend 'feta' though |
| 09:59.09 | botsy | hi all |
| 09:59.14 | tarzeau | s-toned: keep using 2.4 |
| 09:59.19 | Guerin | !info feta |
| 09:59.24 | Flimzy | GTswagger: What would be your cost per piece? |
| 09:59.27 | dpkg | feta: (simpler interface to APT, dpkg, and other package tools), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.4.13 (sid), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 416 kB |
| 09:59.30 | GTswagger | That's an idea; but how can I depend on the various LUGs to get in payments etc |
| 09:59.32 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:59.34 | iLLf8d | anyone know if theres read/write hfs+ support in linux? |
| 09:59.40 | iLLf8d | something stable |
| 09:59.43 | Guerin | iLLf8d: LKML knows |
| 09:59.46 | Flimzy | GTswagger: How much does it cost you for 150 of them? |
| 09:59.47 | tarzeau | iLLf8d: forget it |
| 09:59.50 | GTswagger | Flimzy -- let me see what they charge at 150 qty ... and add in some shipping... |
| 09:59.52 | dondelelcaro | nesys: that and the fact that you're assuming that PWD is HOMEDIR, which it generally isn't. |
| 09:59.53 | iLLf8d | oh bummer |
| 09:59.54 | iLLf8d | heh |
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| 10:00.08 | s-toned | tarzeau: that would be option 1, but what can I do about 2.6.x? |
| 10:00.11 | k8to | nsdutch: i think it is easier to learn feta than apt/dpkg/etc. so if you like apt-get install feta; feta install azureus |
| 10:00.16 | tarzeau | s-toned: use a later one |
| 10:00.24 | tarzeau | s-toned: 2.6.8 is old. as is 2.4.27 |
| 10:00.28 | nesys | dondelelcaro why? |
| 10:00.29 | tarzeau | er .26 |
| 10:00.43 | s-toned | tarzeau: but 2.6.8 is the stable one |
| 10:00.48 | tarzeau | and old one |
| 10:00.50 | dondelelcaro | nesys: also, that the user name actually has some relationship with the home directory, which is also horribly broken. |
| 10:00.56 | tarzeau | and it's not got drivers for a lot of new hardware |
| 10:00.57 | Guerin | k8to: bearing in mind that, since virtually nobody in here uses feta, we can't really support it |
| 10:01.03 | Guerin | nsdutch: ^^ |
| 10:01.04 | GTswagger | Flimzy -- $2.67/each + shipping the 150 bulk to me + individual shipping to the LUGs |
| 10:01.08 | tarzeau | so either you make your own new kernels or use the ones in sid |
| 10:01.17 | Anyone | iLLf8d, I don't know, actually. |
| 10:01.28 | Guerin | GTswagger: $5 per should earn you a couple hundy |
| 10:01.33 | k8to | Guerin: it says what command it is using on every execution, has built-in help, tab completes, stores no state information on top of apt, etc |
| 10:01.36 | Flimzy | GTswagger: So probably roughly $5/each, I'd guess |
| 10:01.42 | GTswagger | yea |
| 10:01.52 | k8to | Guerin: i don't think it is a significant burden to support ;) |
| 10:01.53 | mithro | Gnea: nope still same problem |
| 10:01.56 | iLLf8d | seems its hard to determine if its supported in linux or in freebsd, sounds like both have projects but theres nothing that says anythings stable yet |
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| 10:02.02 | mithro | also tried killing ssh-agent |
| 10:02.05 | nesys | dondelelcaro have you an alternative, please? |
| 10:02.08 | nsdutch | Guerin: Thanks. I'm extremely new to linux but using it as standalone. I have no clue what I'm doing with .tars but I'm not retarded - I'd just like a little direction |
| 10:02.10 | wam | Could you please recommend a cipher for a encrypted block-device? Speed is not important. I want security. I heard about blowfish or twofish to be ok. What do you think? |
| 10:02.12 | iLLf8d | actually the status on the pages is sketchy |
| 10:02.13 | nsdutch | I know once I do it once I'll have it. |
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| 10:02.14 | Flimzy | GTswagger: I bet I could find some ppl in my LUG willing to pay $5/each for some of those |
| 10:02.15 | Guerin | k8to: just the fact that I had to ask the bot what it even was is an indication. |
| 10:02.25 | Guerin | wam: AES |
| 10:02.37 | k8to | Guerin: i understand your view, i was just adding information |
| 10:02.41 | Anyone | tarzeau, which gfx card do you recommend? I am probably going to upgrade my computer hardware this year. |
| 10:02.43 | Guerin | wam: stands for AccEpt no Substitutes |
| 10:02.47 | GTswagger | Flimzy -- perhaps I should start a webpage ... we could count off "firm orders" until we hit a minimum? |
| 10:02.59 | tarzeau | Anyone: can't recommend any, sorry |
| 10:03.00 | mithro | Gnea: any other problems? |
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| 10:03.02 | k8to | nsdutch: tars are like zips, you can unpack them, but installing from tar.gz is much more annoying than installing via apt |
| 10:03.04 | mithro | s/problems/ideas |
| 10:03.06 | Flimzy | GTswagger, Do you not have the cash up front to make the 150 qty order? |
| 10:03.14 | dondelelcaro | nesys: I don't know enough about what is actually calling mailfilter, unfortunatly. Presumably it would have told you the name of the user to whom the mail is actually being delivered (or what account the mail is being sent to) |
| 10:03.20 | wam | Guerin: I'm trying to use AES right now. At home I encrypt with 256 bits. But at work my kernel only accepts 32 bits according to /proc/crypto. Do you have any idea why? |
| 10:03.21 | Gnea | mithro: nope, try google |
| 10:03.21 | Guerin | GTswagger: give up your day job if you can sneak it into a /. article |
| 10:03.23 | Anyone | tarzeau, we need free gfx cards - or at least open specifications - right? |
| 10:03.32 | Guerin | wam: huh. Nope. |
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| 10:03.37 | dondelelcaro | nesys: what is supposed to call that script anyway? |
| 10:03.38 | tarzeau | Anyone: free software drivers for fast opengl 3d |
| 10:03.41 | k8to | nsdutch: usually it is tar xzf file.tar.gz ; or to create tar czf file.tar.gz stuff to put in the tar file |
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| 10:03.50 | GTswagger | Flimzy -- I'm a college student and I just paid to ship a 1U Rackmount Gentoo server to a datacenter for a non-profit I run... cash, me have not :) |
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| 10:04.05 | Anyone | tarzeau, I saw on fsf.org that they're doing some for ATI cards ... but I don't know how far they are. |
| 10:04.07 | Flimzy | GTswagger, hehe... how many of the things do you want? |
| 10:04.09 | Flimzy | GTswagger, just 1? |
| 10:04.12 | wam | Guerin: ok thanks. So I'll stay with AES and will not AccEpt any Substitutes ;) |
| 10:04.19 | tarzeau | Anyone: not very far, really |
| 10:04.20 | nayyares | how can i configure linux system so that it share its hard-disk with windows Active Directory users, i mean windows active directory user will store their data on a network linux system? i d'nt want linux to be the domain controller. |
| 10:04.22 | nsdutch | k8to: Mind if I PM you or something? I just need to install one - then boom I know how and I'm off and I can start learning linux, you know? |
| 10:04.32 | s-toned | tarzeau: so 2.6.12 would be testing, (I'm afraid of sid), do I have to try it out, or how do I know UDF will work? |
| 10:04.35 | nsdutch | Not retarded - went standalone linux cause I needed it for my dev environ. |
| 10:04.36 | Anyone | tarzeau, I wonder how hard it would be to help them. |
| 10:04.42 | k8to | nsdutch: you might get bad advice, but i don't mind |
| 10:04.43 | nsdutch | Just am a 1-st hour noob |
| 10:04.48 | nsdutch | Alright thanks. |
| 10:04.48 | tarzeau | s-toned: i'd just build my own, see /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 10:04.53 | Anyone | tarzeau, wether they're working without specifications, etc. |
| 10:04.54 | Guerin | wam: will other ciphers allow more bits? |
| 10:04.54 | tarzeau | s-toned: instead of going testing |
| 10:04.57 | GTswagger | Flimzy -- at first 1 for me -- but if we're going to get hundreds of squishy tux penguins -- roughly 10 to 15 .. I have a few LUG members |
| 10:05.08 | nesys | dondelelcaro I work with qmail .. on .qmail file I've |preline /usr/bin/maildrop /etc/mailfilter ... then the mailfilter sends spam to abuse@domain.dom, and nospam to user's maildir |
| 10:05.12 | k8to | anyone used wine recently? 0.9-1? Does it work? mine broke recently |
| 10:05.13 | mithro | Gnea: tried google before I got here but i can't figure out what to search for |
| 10:05.15 | GTswagger | Flimzy -- would have to ask around to get a firm number -- but I feel 10-15 is accurate |
| 10:05.23 | s-toned | tarzeau: thanks for now |
| 10:05.23 | Anyone | k8to, sorry, been a while since I used it. |
| 10:05.26 | tarzeau | Anyone: i have no idea, nor interest. i just want free software drivers, and then i buy the card. otherwise i use the old shit i have laying around |
| 10:05.31 | Flimzy | GTswagger: Send me an e-mail with the site you found them at... |
| 10:05.32 | k8to | Anyone: can you try wine --version |
| 10:05.33 | nesys | dondelelcaro that's all |
| 10:05.35 | Guerin | wam: if they will, use them instead of AES or figure out why your kernel is broken. Blow/twofish and 3des aren't weak. |
| 10:05.37 | tarzeau | Anyone: nvidia sucks and ati does the same |
| 10:05.38 | nsdutch | k8to: accept? |
| 10:05.38 | wam | Guerin: blowfish 56bits, twofish: 32 bits... |
| 10:05.41 | Flimzy | GTswagger: I should have the cash to order them all... |
| 10:05.45 | k8to | nsdutch: accept? |
| 10:05.45 | Gnea | mithro: try searching for the error messages |
| 10:05.55 | wam | Guerin: this suxx. This was a vanilla kernel... |
| 10:05.56 | Flimzy | GTswagger: I could stand to wait a few months to recoup my money |
| 10:05.59 | Anyone | tarzeau, both have secret specifications? |
| 10:06.00 | mithro | Gnea: there are no error messages is the problem |
| 10:06.02 | tarzeau | nvidia also sucks for their network cards and their audio cards |
| 10:06.20 | GTswagger | Flimzy -- cool deal |
| 10:06.47 | loxley_ | nayyares: use samba on your linux |
| 10:06.51 | Flimzy | GTswagger, you got my addy in the msg? |
| 10:06.56 | k8to | nsdutch: accept what |
| 10:07.17 | GTswagger | Flimzy -- email sent |
| 10:07.20 | Gnea | mithro: dude, the debug messages - just search for any one line of them, you'll get hundreds of hits |
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| 10:07.49 | k8to | mithro: logs? verbose connect? |
| 10:08.06 | nsdutch | k8to man, trying to pm you chat invite |
| 10:08.15 | k8to | uh, invite? |
| 10:08.19 | Guerin | !private |
| 10:08.19 | dpkg | NO, we will NOT help you in private! Ask your question in the channel so that others can help. Don't send private messages to people asking for help, either, or you will be /ignore'd. |
| 10:08.19 | dondelelcaro | nesys: apparently, maildrop sets HOME appropriately; you should be using that to figure out the home directory for the user if you need to know. |
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| 10:08.24 | nayyares | loxley_, where can i get such type of configuration for samba? |
| 10:08.35 | k8to | does freenode limit /msg to registered users? |
| 10:08.42 | Flimzy | GTswagger, cool |
| 10:08.42 | jm_ | maildrop also changes the dir to $HOME IIRC |
| 10:08.58 | nesys | dondelelcaro I try ... thanks |
| 10:09.07 | mithro | Gnea: yeah - but none have the same problem :/ |
| 10:09.18 | Guerin | k8to: recently, yes. |
| 10:09.25 | k8to | Guerin: thanks. |
| 10:09.26 | Guerin | k8to: due to spambot infestations |
| 10:09.31 | k8to | it seems reasonable! |
| 10:09.37 | nsdutch | k8to: been PMing you. |
| 10:09.44 | k8to | nsdutch: ^^ your answer |
| 10:09.59 | loxley_ | nayyares: try google around for samba howto |
| 10:10.27 | dondelelcaro | nesys: see http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/?maildropfilter.html and the list of variables that are defined there. I believe LOGNAME is actually what you're looking for. |
| 10:10.47 | nsdutch | Alright so then first, how do I register here? |
| 10:10.56 | dondelelcaro | nsdutch: /msg nickserv help register |
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| 10:11.35 | w|edge | Anyone know what is the issue when df reports that a parition on the disk where I mount / is only 700mb large but the cfdisk /dev/sda shows it as 73gb ? |
| 10:12.04 | k8to | w|edge: it is possible to have a filesystem not use the whole partition... |
| 10:12.06 | j0nas | where can i find a tutorial abute dhcpcd and how i enable it on startup? |
| 10:12.10 | k8to | w|edge: perhaps that is what is happening? |
| 10:12.21 | tarzeau | j0nas: you want a dhcp client or server? |
| 10:12.37 | w|edge | it's reiserfs on it k8to , pretty weird |
| 10:12.38 | k8to | oh, also duh, /dev/sda is the whole disk, |
| 10:12.48 | j0nas | tarzeau: yeah |
| 10:12.53 | w|edge | yeah well, I need to run cfdisk on the whole disk :) |
| 10:12.53 | mhall | !mhallsmite bizarrely complex reverse engineered bcm43xx drivers |
| 10:13.01 | k8to | w|edge: how large is the partition the filesystem is mounted on? |
| 10:13.01 | w|edge | it lists the parititons sda1 and sda2 |
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| 10:13.08 | w|edge | it's 73gb |
| 10:13.12 | tarzeau | j0nas: yeah which? |
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| 10:13.23 | k8to | w|edge: spam me or pastebin the output of df |
| 10:13.24 | w|edge | and the swap partition is 768 ~770mb |
| 10:13.31 | Flimzy | GTswagger, I guess they're tux'es that you can put your own logo on, eh? |
| 10:13.31 | w|edge | roger |
| 10:13.34 | j0nas | tarzeau: i have dhcpcd and i wantit to start up when rebooted |
| 10:13.36 | liable | oh dear, that factoid has gotten even worse.. |
| 10:13.45 | tarzeau | j0nas: usually it just does that |
| 10:13.46 | mhall | liable: which one |
| 10:13.58 | GTswagger | Flimzy -- correct ... might be able to (should?) get a price break for no log |
| 10:13.59 | w|edge | http://pastebin.com/488447 |
| 10:13.59 | liable | mhall: yours of course :) |
| 10:14.00 | GTswagger | *logo |
| 10:14.00 | Anyone | w|edge, no idea, sorry. |
| 10:14.06 | k8to | w|edge: the mkfs command can be told the size of the filesystem to make |
| 10:14.07 | neuterspay | Alright - so I have my azureus tar.bz2 here. Is that the same as a tar.gz? Difference? How do I install it? I tried to RTFM. |
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| 10:14.12 | mhall | liable: well, liable, i'm liable to do that |
| 10:14.17 | j0nas | tarzeau: ok well i realy need to know if it dose that |
| 10:14.18 | k8to | w|edge: although usually you let it get that from the partition size |
| 10:14.18 | Flimzy | GTswagger, that would be nice |
| 10:14.29 | w|edge | k8to: it was the debian installer that generated it :) |
| 10:14.30 | Anyone | k8to, ok |
| 10:14.37 | mhall | neuterspay: you need bzip2 |
| 10:14.42 | w|edge | I partititoned, it was told to use that partition for reiserfs |
| 10:14.44 | bbrazil | neuterspay: uses bzip2 instead of gzip |
| 10:14.45 | k8to | Anyone: it gave you a version? |
| 10:14.48 | j0nas | and im prity sure that it dosent |
| 10:14.52 | Anyone | $ wine --version |
| 10:14.52 | Anyone | Invoking /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin --version ... |
| 10:14.52 | Anyone | Wine 20050310 |
| 10:14.52 | Anyone | Wine exited with a successful status |
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| 10:14.56 | neuterspay | Okay, and do I have bzip? |
| 10:14.58 | dondelelcaro | neuterspay: again, apt-get install azureus. DO NOT INSTALL APPLICATIONS FROM TARBALLS ON DEBIAN. |
| 10:14.58 | mhall | neuterspay: BTW FFS if you can't figure that out you probably better use the packaged version |
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| 10:15.06 | w|edge | it's pretty weird, first time this is happening to me :P |
| 10:15.13 | k8to | Anyone: i just wanted to know that it gave a version |
| 10:15.15 | Flimzy | GTswagger, well let me know if you find any better deals. It'll be at least a week before I can order 'em anyway. |
| 10:15.17 | w|edge | a Dell PowerEdge 1850, heh |
| 10:15.26 | neuterspay | Dondel: could you explain how to use apt-get, I've tried, googled for about 45 min and read much, then came here. |
| 10:15.34 | sticky | lol |
| 10:15.36 | dondelelcaro | neuterspay: uh... I just told you. |
| 10:15.40 | sticky | apt-get is your friend |
| 10:15.41 | neuterspay | I swear I'm not retarded - or a dumb kid... |
| 10:15.43 | k8to | Anyone: although you have the version that worked for me ;) |
| 10:15.49 | tarzeau | it's fine, but you should know what you do |
| 10:15.53 | Guerin | !pkgmgmt |
| 10:15.53 | dpkg | i heard pkgmgmt is Debian Package Management - Most Important Commands: http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or 'man apt-get'; 'man apt-cache', or apt-get install apt-dpkg-ref, or ask me about apt howto |
| 10:16.05 | tarzeau | Anyone: tried "moo" yet? |
| 10:16.07 | w|edge | apt-get fixallmyproblems |
| 10:16.07 | dondelelcaro | neuterspay: read what I said to you again. Read it until enlightenment dawns. |
| 10:16.08 | w|edge | :) |
| 10:16.15 | Anyone | tarzeau, apt-get moo # ? |
| 10:16.16 | k8to | tarzeau: i don't like the cows :( |
| 10:16.19 | tarzeau | Anyone: yeah |
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| 10:16.27 | tarzeau | k8to: you like the sheep ? |
| 10:16.32 | Anyone | tarzeau, lemme try ... dunno if this one has super |
| 10:16.34 | k8to | tarzeau: i like to watch |
| 10:16.42 | foot | neuterspay, tar xjf? |
| 10:16.46 | tarzeau | k8to: watch the milk? |
| 10:16.48 | Anyone | tarzeau, it does :-) |
| 10:17.07 | neuterspay | foot: but that wouldn't be using apt-get, would it? I'm off to read the man |
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| 10:17.15 | mhall | you know, neuterspay , evidently gonads weren't the only thing removed when they did the operation on you |
| 10:17.30 | foot | neuterspay, i installed it recently from their website too, since apt-get couldnt get appropriate java packages |
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| 10:17.37 | Anyone | tarzeau, I start with "make old config" right? |
| 10:17.38 | neuterspay | mhall: I swear I'm not retarded - just my first few hours on linux. you guys are dicks. |
| 10:17.39 | foot | but whatever |
| 10:17.39 | k8to | oh |
| 10:17.45 | k8to | debian and java is not a fun time |
| 10:17.47 | mhall | neuterspay: dude it was a joke |
| 10:17.51 | w|edge | how do you guys usually partition your disks? |
| 10:18.01 | mhall | neuterspay: i make fun of everybody's nicknames |
| 10:18.01 | w|edge | 100mb for boot, swap, rest of disk for sys? |
| 10:18.04 | k8to | w|edge: i use fdisk |
| 10:18.06 | Gnea | i use fdisk |
| 10:18.12 | neuterspay | Well I really do have a mutilated penis. :( |
| 10:18.13 | Gnea | !beer k8to |
| 10:18.22 | Anyone | neuterspay, there are also female users here, so please don't assume we're all dicks. |
| 10:18.25 | w|edge | yeah, but partition layout :) |
| 10:18.32 | neuterspay | Anyone: will do. |
| 10:18.32 | Firefishe | lol |
| 10:18.33 | k8to | w|edge: oh, yeah |
| 10:18.33 | mhall | neuterspay: more than we needed to know ;-) |
| 10:18.42 | foot | Anyone, you are what you eat |
| 10:18.45 | k8to | w|edge: THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT |
| 10:18.46 | dondelelcaro | w|edge: that's probably overkill for /boot, but whatever. Generally go with double memory for swap, and the rest for / is good if this is your first install. |
| 10:18.48 | k8to | whoops :( |
| 10:18.53 | k8to | w |
| 10:18.56 | Gnea | neuterspay: and that has *what* to do with debian? |
| 10:19.04 | mhall | Gnea: haha |
| 10:19.06 | Firefishe | hey people, I need a quick fix: what debian package is tkinter located in? |
| 10:19.10 | Anyone | foot, I eat feet for christmas. |
| 10:19.14 | dondelelcaro | !+find tkinterr |
| 10:19.16 | foot | heh |
| 10:19.16 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 10:19.16 | dondelelcaro | !+find tkinter |
| 10:19.18 | k8to | w|edge: the double memory rule-of-thumb is not really required. You can use whatever you feel like for swap |
| 10:19.19 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 10:19.26 | mhall | Anyone: who eats your mom for christmas |
| 10:19.31 | Guerin | neuterspay: how much do neuters pay, and do non-neuters get it free? |
| 10:19.33 | Firefishe | !+find tkinter |
| 10:19.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tkinter' (5 of 14): (/usr/lib/sketch-0.6.15/Lib/paxtkinter.so) in graphics/sketch ;; (/usr/share/pyching/pyching_interface_tkinter.py) in games/pyching ;; (/usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/_tkinter.so) in python/python2.2-tk ;; (/usr/lib/python2.3/lib-dynload/_tkinter.so) in python/python2.3-tk ;; (/usr/lib/python2.1/lib-dynload/_tkinter.so) in python/python2.1-tk. |
| 10:19.36 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'tkinterr' returned no results. |
| 10:19.39 | mhall | Guerin: haha |
| 10:19.50 | mhall | Guerin: reminds me of german grammar |
| 10:19.58 | w|edge | k8to: yeah, I usually go with max 768 . Cant waste 4gigs of disk on U320 scsiraid-disks |
| 10:20.00 | mhall | Guerin: masculine, feminine, neuter |
| 10:20.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell Firefishe -about search |
| 10:20.08 | Guerin | mhall: have you read the baroque cycle? |
| 10:20.13 | dondelelcaro | Firefishe: in the future, you can /msg the bot |
| 10:20.20 | mhall | foot: you better make an exception for mine, she's real ugly |
| 10:20.31 | Anyone | Default I/O scheduler - kernel config - which one do you guys use? |
| 10:20.35 | Firefishe | dondelelcaro: I did ;) |
| 10:20.37 | foot | naughty naughty nerds tonight |
| 10:20.39 | mhall | Guerin: no have not read it |
| 10:20.40 | k8to | w|edge: well for different workloads, swapping out 2x your memory can be a gateway to thrashing forever, so i just pick a value that will make me never run out of VM for my workload |
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| 10:20.46 | mhall | Anyone: deadline's good |
| 10:20.54 | mhall | Anyone: or... one sec |
| 10:20.54 | k8to | w|edge: in practice for desktops it doesn't matter much! |
| 10:21.16 | w|edge | k8to: I love having enough ram to never swap :) but alright |
| 10:21.46 | mhall | Anyone: yeah i suggest deadline |
| 10:21.58 | mhall | w|edge: what about when some fuckhead spams your box |
| 10:22.05 | mhall | w|edge: or some processes get out of hand |
| 10:22.08 | Anyone | mhall, I don't understand what it is, and what difference between them? |
| 10:22.08 | k8to | w|edge: haha well with some programs (cough mozilla cough) i like there being enough swap to soak up all its unnecessary memory it never frees |
| 10:22.16 | mhall | Anyone: try the Help |
| 10:22.18 | jm_ | Anyone: then don't mess with it |
| 10:22.28 | neuterspay | apt-get install apt-dpkg-re |
| 10:22.30 | Anyone | mhall, I am in "make oldconfig - no help" |
| 10:22.32 | neuterspay | fuck |
| 10:22.35 | neuterspay | ingnore that |
| 10:22.38 | mhall | Anyone: basically general idea is anticipatory is old school complex algorithm |
| 10:22.40 | w|edge | k8to: lucky me I dont run X on a server :D |
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| 10:22.42 | mhall | Anyone: what about ? |
| 10:22.44 | Anyone | neuterspay, I wish ... |
| 10:22.52 | mhall | Anyone: and deadline is new school simpler algo |
| 10:22.59 | Beleys | Poy |
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| 10:23.03 | mhall | Anyone: that usually works as well, and on databases often better |
| 10:23.21 | k8to | anticipatory is great for desktops etc, but causes lots of io that never gets used for a db load |
| 10:23.23 | neuterspay | damnit well hey if anybody wants to help me out with this - im me AIM 'intercom tirade' - I'll be reading, thanks. |
| 10:23.23 | Anyone | mhall its about how to access the physical disk? |
| 10:23.26 | mhall | Anyone: btw it is wise to follow an oldconfig with a menuconfig and do a little poke around |
| 10:23.34 | mhall | Anyone: yeah it's for block devices |
| 10:23.43 | Anyone | mhall, cool |
| 10:23.48 | k8to | Anyone: well it's ordering of accesses and whether or not to do 'readahead' and etc, but yes |
| 10:23.57 | mhall | k8to: and in the case of a desktop both do about the same thing except anticipatory wastes more resources |
| 10:23.59 | Anyone | mhall, I'll take your adwise and do a dead_line |
| 10:24.08 | k8to | mhall: hahah really? |
| 10:24.09 | mhall | Anyone: better talk with k8to also |
| 10:24.12 | k8to | mhall: i hadn't measured that case |
| 10:24.16 | mhall | k8to: yeah that's my understanding |
| 10:24.24 | mhall | k8to: but i did not benchmark it though |
| 10:24.34 | k8to | well it's hard to benchmark a desktop use pattern |
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| 10:24.43 | k8to | wait a while.. do some stuff.. wait a while, do some stuff |
| 10:24.47 | mhall | k8to: to me it just isn't a big enough deal so i went with what the kernel people wrote into their help |
| 10:25.13 | k8to | i've done benchmarking of various db loads and db-like loads |
| 10:25.14 | mhall | k8to: after all, any of them beat the fuck out of window anyways |
| 10:25.30 | k8to | and deadline and fair are almost identical |
| 10:25.30 | mhall | k8to: so i'm happy even with the baseline linux |
| 10:25.31 | k8to | but! |
| 10:25.43 | k8to | we of course only have one real user |
| 10:25.45 | mhall | k8to: anything past that's just a bonus compared to how it would have been doing anyways |
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| 10:26.04 | k8to | mhall: well, we can service about 45% more requests per box with deadline vs anticipatory |
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| 10:26.11 | k8to | mhall: which is a lot |
| 10:26.19 | Muffie | hello all. My xorg log shows this: (II) fglrx(0): Direct rendering enabled |
| 10:26.28 | Muffie | but glxinfo | grep direct shows NO! :) |
| 10:26.38 | Muffie | anyone knows what should I check? |
| 10:26.46 | k8to | hmm |
| 10:26.47 | Sonny | hello, do you know how to change the language of my debian? |
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| 10:27.01 | k8to | Muffie: my first guess (ignorant) is that the driver has it but you don't have the option? |
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| 10:27.43 | k8to | Muffie: in section "module" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, do you have Load for "dir" and "glx"? |
| 10:27.51 | Muffie | k8to , let me check |
| 10:28.02 | Sonny | I receive this message while installing something: Please check that your locale settings: "...." are supported and installed on your system. |
| 10:28.02 | k8to | i'm doubting that's it |
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| 10:28.12 | loxley_ | Sonny: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:28.12 | neuterspay | Spreek iemand hier Nederlands? |
| 10:28.24 | k8to | Muffie: err "dri" not "dir" :) |
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| 10:28.48 | Znh | Hello |
| 10:28.57 | harleyg | "I wanna get on my knees and start pleasing jesus, i wanna feel his salvation all over my face" |
| 10:28.59 | Znh | I just installed NXClient, but how do I find out what the binary is to start it? |
| 10:29.02 | harleyg | lmfao |
| 10:29.05 | Muffie | thanks k8to , thats probably it! one second, let me restart it |
| 10:29.08 | pif | hi, why is my .xsession no longer exece'd when running x-6.9.0.dfsg.1-1 ? |
| 10:29.12 | k8to | Znh: from a debian package? |
| 10:29.15 | Znh | k8to: yep |
| 10:29.19 | mhall | harleyg: i can make you feel salvation on your face but i'm not jesus |
| 10:29.25 | k8to | Znh: i often try dpkg -L packagename |grep /bin |
| 10:29.32 | harleyg | you dont get it |
| 10:29.34 | mhall | harleyg: i'm the redneck demon beelzebubba |
| 10:29.35 | harleyg | watch southpark |
| 10:29.35 | Znh | k8to: what does -L do? |
| 10:29.38 | k8to | Znh: and if that doesn't work, i look in /usr/share/doc/packagename/ for a readme |
| 10:29.39 | Sonny | loxley_ : even doing the reconfigure locales i receive the same message |
| 10:29.40 | harleyg | :) |
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| 10:29.42 | neuterspay | Dit zuigt ik moet leren hoe te installeren voor ik iets kan doen. If anybody spreek iemand hier Nederlands let me know? |
| 10:29.45 | k8to | Znh: lists the files |
| 10:29.45 | w|edge | If it wasnt so damn hard to get PowerEdge 1850 to run Debian I'd love it. On the other hand http://pastebin.com/488453 .. I love it cause of that. |
| 10:30.04 | Znh | neuterspay: debian-nl ;) |
| 10:30.09 | neuterspay | ah. |
| 10:30.11 | mhall | neuterspay: I could speak it if I start with German than fill my mouth with Gouda. :-D |
| 10:30.13 | neuterspay | gracias |
| 10:30.23 | neuterspay | I'm having a hell of a time |
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| 10:30.28 | mhall | neuterspay: But I'm not sure how I'd translate it into IRC. |
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| 10:30.46 | k8to | mhall: 1 year or 2 year gouda? |
| 10:31.07 | mhall | k8to: I suppose it'd depend on whether you wanted to do Dutch or Flemish |
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| 10:31.21 | k8to | whatever happened to w|edge and his fs weirdness |
| 10:31.23 | Muffie | k8to , nope... :( |
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| 10:31.31 | k8to | Muffie: you mean they are present already? |
| 10:31.32 | mhall | k8to: maybe my mom sat on him |
| 10:31.36 | Znh | k8to: lol dpkg is a bit buggy.. it says its not installed while it surely is |
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| 10:31.53 | Muffie | k8to , no. I have added them, and restarted the system... |
| 10:31.53 | Znh | k8to: ah got it :) |
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| 10:31.59 | k8to | Znh: typo? |
| 10:32.13 | k8to | Muffie: did you add "dir" or "dri" |
| 10:32.15 | k8to | :) |
| 10:32.17 | Znh | k8to: i did the full packagename including .deb :) |
| 10:32.20 | k8to | Muffie: i typoed |
| 10:32.26 | Znh | k8to: the files are in /usr/NX/bin thanks. |
| 10:32.27 | Muffie | k8to , dri! :) |
| 10:32.38 | k8to | Znh: there's probably a frontend script in /usr/bin |
| 10:32.50 | Sonny | can somebody help me with the language issue? |
| 10:32.50 | dpy | can anyone tell me how I can obtain/install electric eyes in debian ? |
| 10:32.51 | k8to | Muffie: gruh, this is an area i know very poorly |
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| 10:33.19 | mhall | alright time to reboot into a horrible scary beta kernel from hell, where i live |
| 10:33.23 | Muffie | np... Ill back on that later at night! :) |
| 10:33.25 | dpy | I get: Package eeyes is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 10:33.25 | dpy | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 10:33.26 | dpy | is only available from another source |
| 10:33.37 | k8to | Muffie: i would recommend three things |
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| 10:33.41 | mhall | i've applied about 20 patches that aren't supported, much less when all are applied at once |
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| 10:33.51 | streuner | dpy: pr0n view? |
| 10:33.58 | gypsymauro | hello, there is Openoffice.org 2.0 for sarge? |
| 10:34.08 | k8to | muttix: 1) make your X server log and glxinfo output available, 2) read the faq stuff on the x.org wiki, 3) get someone else's attention ;P |
| 10:34.13 | dpy | streuner: to me there are only two viewers: ee and display |
| 10:34.26 | streuner | dpy: try gqview |
| 10:34.28 | mhall | gypsymauro: there is, thanks to rene |
| 10:34.32 | dpy | streuner: I intend to rename eeyes (or whatever debian calls it) back to ee |
| 10:34.43 | mhall | !tell gypsymauro about backports |
| 10:34.45 | mithro | well it appears lsh works, but ssh doesn't |
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| 10:34.57 | dpy | streuner: gqview = electric eyes ? |
| 10:35.05 | streuner | !info gqview |
| 10:35.08 | dpkg | gqview: (A simple image viewer using GTK+), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 718 kB, Installed size: 1984 kB |
| 10:35.21 | dpy | streuner: I only want electric eyes |
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| 10:36.35 | neuterspay | Sorry to be back - I'll try to be more concise this time. |
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| 10:37.58 | dpy | streuner: electric eyes is not packaged for debian anymore ? |
| 10:38.31 | k8to | dpy: that appears to be true |
| 10:38.44 | Anyone | dpy, tell me what electric eyes are? |
| 10:38.55 | Anyone | !ee |
| 10:38.55 | dpkg | i heard ee is for gEEks. Estonia. ElectricElf |
| 10:39.01 | Anyone | !info ee |
| 10:39.04 | dpkg | ee: (An "easy editor" for novices and compuphobics), section editors, is optional. Version: 1:1.4.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 10:39.09 | k8to | it is an older image viewer |
| 10:39.11 | Anyone | !info eog |
| 10:39.13 | dpkg | eog: (Eye of Gnome graphics viewer program), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 603 kB, Installed size: 2816 kB |
| 10:39.30 | neuterspay | So I unzipped my tar.bz2 - what now? I can't seem to understand the install process at all. I'm sorry to be back with this and yes, I realize how annoying I'm being - I'm extremely sorry. :( |
| 10:39.39 | k8to | is eog the same program renamed? |
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| 10:39.49 | neuterspay | And yes I've been trying thing after thing in console - not like I'm asking for somebody to do it for me. |
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| 10:40.15 | streuner | dpy: http://rpmseek.com/rpm/eeyes_0.3.12-4_i386.html?hl=de&cx=684:E:0:843728:0:0:0 |
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| 10:40.50 | k8to | neuterspay: the usual debian install procedure is: install the package |
| 10:41.14 | k8to | neuterspay: if you can't install the package, the usual procedure is: install the packages it needs, (including -dev), untar it, and follow the included INSTALL file |
| 10:41.28 | Deepa | note: your computer MUST be switched ON |
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| 10:41.39 | streuner | dpy: that's the direkt download: http://rpmseek.com/download/ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/eeyes/eeyes_0.3.12-4_i386.deb?hl=de&nid=40054 |
| 10:42.01 | neuterspay | k8to: I followed the included install file and am pretty much lost - I don't understand the use of console for installing, is there any other way, and if not - then there's obviously something I don't understand about installing on my linux machine. |
| 10:42.06 | k8to | neuterspay: I've already said how to unpack a tar, to you, so i'm not sure where you're stuck now, but you might like to get the book "Running Linux". it's old, but it's written in a friendly way. If anyone has newer suggestions, blast them in |
| 10:42.17 | Anyone | k8to, newver suggestions? |
| 10:42.25 | k8to | for learning linux books |
| 10:42.28 | Anyone | k8to, Well, you could get 2.6.15 |
| 10:42.29 | neuterspay | It keeps saying e: Couldn't find package, no matter where I am. |
| 10:42.35 | neuterspay | No, I did unzip it fine. |
| 10:42.36 | Sonny | do you know what can I do to play event sounds (gnome) for common users besides root? |
| 10:42.48 | k8to | even your statement about "unzipping" it is confusing me |
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| 10:43.03 | neuterspay | Alright. |
| 10:43.04 | valdyn | Sonny: add those users to the audio group |
| 10:43.04 | neuterspay | Forget it. |
| 10:43.05 | neuterspay | night guys. |
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| 10:43.11 | streuner | dpy: it seems to me, eeyes isn't in debian or its just orphaned |
| 10:43.15 | Anyone | k8to, I don't know if I have any suggestions .. but learn info, man, emacs, vi(m) and check out the /etc/init.d dir, and /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 10:43.26 | Anyone | k8to, /etc/inittab /etc/fstab |
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| 10:43.35 | Sonny | valdyn: the audio group exists? do I have to create it? |
| 10:43.43 | Anyone | k8to, you can man inittab and inetd ... |
| 10:43.48 | k8to | Anyone: i was recommending for neuterspay to buy a running linux book |
| 10:43.57 | Anyone | k8to, also inetd.conf |
| 10:43.58 | k8to | Anyone: i think man pages are great but are not a good intro |
| 10:44.13 | k8to | Anyone: i've been a sysadmin for some years ;o) |
| 10:44.15 | valdyn | Sonny: grep audio /etc/groups |
| 10:44.24 | Anyone | k8to, oh .. he could get "Life with UNIX", I loved that book. |
| 10:44.32 | k8to | he got frustrated and left |
| 10:44.37 | Anyone | k8to, but its not exactly a newer book. |
| 10:44.39 | usn | good morning |
| 10:44.41 | k8to | sad :~( |
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| 10:45.06 | xNinja | hello |
| 10:45.09 | Anyone | k8to, nah .. he didn't get fustrated. He was fustrated when he got here, I guess. |
| 10:45.19 | k8to | well, more frustrated, perhaps |
| 10:45.22 | xNinja | if i got the message "Fatal - Invalid Database Connection" what should i check to fix this ? |
| 10:45.23 | Sonny | valdyn: this was the answer: " audio:x:29:gonzalo " |
| 10:45.35 | j0nas | can any one till me how to config my debian box to run dhcpcd at startup |
| 10:46.00 | k8to | xNinja: sounds like your program wants to use a database and can't |
| 10:46.09 | loxley_ | Sonny: so user gonzalo is in the audio group |
| 10:46.11 | doleyb | j0nas: apt-get install dhcp |
| 10:46.18 | j0nas | doleyb: done |
| 10:46.28 | j0nas | and what script to edit |
| 10:46.35 | Sonny | valdyn: but can't hear event sounds, why? |
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| 10:46.39 | j0nas | to get it to run after reboot |
| 10:46.41 | k8to | xNinja: relevant questions are: what program? what database? if a database that stays resident, is it running? |
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| 10:46.52 | k8to | xNinja: other good questions: did this work before? if so, when did it stop? |
| 10:46.56 | doleyb | j0nas: just check you have /etc/init.d/dhcp (don't need to edit) |
| 10:46.58 | xNinja | yep i have the mysqld running |
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| 10:47.07 | xNinja | fresh install |
| 10:47.21 | k8to | so you are trying to set up and use mysql and some mysql client softwareA? |
| 10:47.27 | j0nas | doleyb: ok |
| 10:47.30 | doleyb | j0nas: you also might want to customize /etc/dhcpd.conf |
| 10:47.30 | zimnyx | If i;m using AIDE i should install it, and copy aide database to RO media? |
| 10:47.32 | mishmash | Can anybody give me a few hints how to install a linux system for a mysql database? |
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| 10:47.55 | xNinja | k8to i am setting i mail server wich is using a mysql database |
| 10:47.58 | Deepa | mishmash: and not the otherway around? |
| 10:48.03 | loxley_ | mishmash: err, :) |
| 10:48.10 | xNinja | the installation completer but after that when i inter the site i got this error ! |
| 10:48.11 | mishmash | euh... |
| 10:48.21 | Deepa | mishmash: apt-get install mysql |
| 10:48.24 | Deepa | and use the mysqld |
| 10:48.38 | Sonny | loxley_: I've even enabled the function in sound settings (desktop settings) |
| 10:48.48 | k8to | xNinja: are all of these pieces debian packages? |
| 10:48.54 | loxley_ | Sonny: try log out then log in with that user |
| 10:48.55 | mishmash | I've got an server running, and the only task is running a mysql server, what are some tips to fine-tune mysql? |
| 10:49.00 | k8to | xNinja: some useful things might be : look in the mysql log files for errors |
| 10:49.07 | Znh | how can I get rid of xdm? I already did apt-get remove xdm but didnt make really sence to debian lol |
| 10:49.08 | mishmash | mysql is already running |
| 10:49.11 | xNinja | ok :D |
| 10:49.15 | Sonny | loxley_: ok wait a second |
| 10:49.15 | k8to | xNinja: try to see how the package wants to hook up the database |
| 10:49.31 | k8to | xNinja: read the README.Debian file for the web interface/mail package |
| 10:49.41 | k8to | xNinja: see if you need to do some setup steps before it will work |
| 10:49.47 | j0nas | doleyb: i have /etc/init.d/dhcpcd |
| 10:50.01 | k8to | xNinja: you might verify you can connect to the database as a user at all |
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| 10:50.12 | k8to | xNinja: sadly i know almost nothing about mysql |
| 10:50.13 | xNinja | yeah ican |
| 10:50.15 | j0nas | and how do i make it start up after every reboot |
| 10:50.20 | Deepa | mishmash: try something like #mysql |
| 10:50.23 | doleyb | j0nas: basically once you install it, it's automatically set to run on boot (in fact, it's prob running even before you reboot) |
| 10:50.29 | k8to | j0nas: it will by default |
| 10:50.38 | doleyb | j0nas: ps afx|grep dhcp |
| 10:50.42 | k8to | debian assumes that if you install something you want to use it |
| 10:50.52 | k8to | sometimes it assumes that a little _too_ much :P |
| 10:50.52 | mithro | arg! |
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| 10:51.00 | j0nas | ok but i still get the static ip that's set |
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| 10:51.26 | k8to | j0nas: is this a lan situation, or like a cable modem? |
| 10:51.30 | doleyb | j0nas: where do you get it? If a PC is set with static, it won't even look at dhcp. |
| 10:51.36 | nanok | j0nas: you dont want dhcpd for that. trydhclient or pump |
| 10:51.53 | nanok | j0nas: man interfaces |
| 10:52.02 | k8to | interfaces is the right place |
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| 10:52.11 | mithro | lsh works, ssh from sarge and unstable both freeze :/ |
| 10:52.18 | k8to | j0nas: you _may_ have to do some reading of the client logs or running manually if it doesn't work at first |
| 10:52.19 | j0nas | i have a cable line whit separet ip's one for the debian can and one for the other comps at home |
| 10:52.39 | k8to | j0nas: i agree with nanok that dhclient or pump will probably be less hassle |
| 10:52.51 | Anyone | k8to, nanok is right? |
| 10:52.52 | j0nas | ok |
| 10:53.02 | k8to | Anyone: hahah are you making fun of me? |
| 10:53.06 | j0nas | damn i hate linux :P |
| 10:53.11 | w|edge | k8to: I think I was using an old Debian install cd. Seems to work now. |
| 10:53.12 | Anyone | k8to, how so? |
| 10:53.17 | k8to | Anyone: i guess not |
| 10:53.18 | doleyb | j0nas: dhcpd is to provide addresses for other people. Not to get addresses you want to use. |
| 10:53.20 | j0nas | wintendo for the win |
| 10:53.21 | j0nas | :) |
| 10:53.29 | k8to | oh, i misread dhcpd as dhcpcd |
| 10:53.36 | k8to | which would work, but would be a hassle |
| 10:53.36 | doleyb | j0nas: apt-get remove dhcpd unless you have like slave systems hanging off your box |
| 10:54.11 | nanok | that wold probably be dhcp3-server.. |
| 10:54.14 | nanok | afair |
| 10:54.20 | w|edge | k8to: I think I was using an old Debian install cd. Seems to work now. |
| 10:54.25 | k8to | w|edge: yep |
| 10:54.29 | j0nas | doleyb: i dont want dhcpd i want dhcpcd |
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| 10:54.31 | k8to | w|edge: did you have to make a new filesystem? |
| 10:54.34 | j0nas | i want a client |
| 10:54.43 | nanok | j0nas: man 5 interfaces |
| 10:54.45 | Hub441 | what makes /dev/parport devices get recreated (with rights set only for root) ? |
| 10:54.54 | k8to | j0nas: there are a few different dhcp client options |
| 10:55.01 | liable | j0nas: you want dhclient.. |
| 10:55.08 | k8to | j0nas: you need to a) install one, b) in interfaces say you want those interfaces controlled by your client |
| 10:55.11 | j0nas | yeah |
| 10:55.15 | doleyb | j0nas: i would've thought you really wanted dhcp-client, but as they say, there are many of them. |
| 10:55.33 | liable | dhclient is part of base iirc |
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| 10:55.36 | j0nas | just did a apt-get install dhcpcd |
| 10:55.59 | liable | just run dhclient eth0 or whatever the nic is.. |
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| 10:56.03 | k8to | i am still recommending against dhcpcd, with a lot of cable providers you will have to do a few attempts on config |
| 10:56.30 | w|edge | k8to: I think the reiserfs version included on that cd was veeeery old. |
| 10:56.35 | nanok | j0nas: just _read_ the man page, and if there's trouble, come back. you most probably already have a client |
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| 10:56.38 | liable | are we talking about getting an ip from an isp? |
| 10:56.39 | j0nas | liable: in my /etc/network/interfaces there is a static ip set |
| 10:56.41 | k8to | w|edge: well that's another good reason not to use it :) |
| 10:56.42 | Sonny | loxley_: I hear the event sounds now, but when I play an mp3 in xmms it says that my soundcard is busy |
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| 10:56.51 | liable | j0nas: so change it! |
| 10:56.56 | j0nas | to what :) |
| 10:57.07 | k8to | w|edge: although the problem could well have been bios sizing junk with new drives and an old kernel |
| 10:57.09 | liable | j0nas: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 10:57.12 | mithro | and google doesn't have any answers :/ |
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| 10:57.25 | AlexW | he |
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| 10:57.27 | AlexW | hey* |
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| 10:57.35 | liable | j0nas: read the man page! |
| 10:57.42 | k8to | mithro: have you looked at the server logs on failed login yet? |
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| 10:57.50 | j0nas | liable: i have tried to find it |
| 10:58.03 | j0nas | so if u can point me to it i will be happy to read it |
| 10:58.06 | k8to | mithro: have you looked at ssh -v output yet? |
| 10:58.15 | nanok | 13:56 < nanok> j0nas: man 5 interfaces |
| 10:58.21 | Sonny | I can hear the event sounds now, but when I play an mp3 in xmms it says that my soundcard is busy, help me please friends |
| 10:58.21 | liable | j0nas: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 10:58.41 | AlexW | My download limit is only 8GB, but i get peering (PIPE) for free, http://mirror.pacific.net.au/ is on pipe, is it possible i can use this mirror to download the dvd, even though there is no iso? |
| 10:58.54 | liable | j0nas: whats hard about 'man interfaces' ? |
| 10:58.58 | k8to | i found the interfaces config like this: cd /etc/net<TAB> |
| 10:59.03 | nanok | AlexW: mayb try jigdo |
| 10:59.05 | Znh_ | Hmm I modified xorg.conf to use the resolution 1024x786.. but it seems to simply ignore it |
| 10:59.07 | k8to | this is how i learned to configure devices on debian :P |
| 10:59.12 | AlexW | http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian-cd/images/DVD/ |
| 10:59.17 | k8to | (network devices) |
| 10:59.25 | j0nas | liable: thx |
| 10:59.32 | ootput | Znh_: are your modelines correct? |
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| 10:59.43 | ootput | Znh_: or your monitor rates? |
| 10:59.45 | Znh_ | ootput: Modes "1024x786" "800x600" |
| 10:59.53 | Znh_ | ootput: didnt touch the monitor rates |
| 11:00.07 | ootput | Znh_: you may need to |
| 11:00.10 | k8to | Znh_: if you look at the log, you will probably find it discounted the mode for some reason |
| 11:00.21 | Znh_ | k8to: where can I find that log in debian? |
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| 11:00.27 | ootput | Znh_: if you don't know what they are, you could always check the manufacturer's product page |
| 11:00.28 | Paivakil | Sonny: try stopping esd |
| 11:00.41 | ootput | Znh_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:00.43 | k8to | Znh_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log (probably) |
| 11:00.46 | Znh_ | ootput: ah default ok |
| 11:00.54 | k8to | Znh_: nunless you are doing something funky |
| 11:00.55 | Anyone | !news |
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| 11:01.04 | k8to | Znh_: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/FAQ |
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| 11:01.28 | mithro | k8to: i have looked at the ssh -vvv output and straces |
| 11:01.36 | Znh_ | ootput: 'Exceeds panel dimensions' thats true, but I am now using an external monitor :p |
| 11:01.39 | mithro | there is nothing abnormal in the server logs |
| 11:01.48 | k8to | mithro: and the problem is what |
| 11:02.00 | k8to | mithro: you get a passphrase or password prompt or no? |
| 11:02.01 | Sonny | Paivakil: how do I do that, what is esd? |
| 11:02.26 | mithro | k8to: i've tried both with keys and with password authentication, both exhibit the same problem |
| 11:02.41 | Brian_L | What is the proper way to mount a usb drive running gnome? here is my problem. i mount my usb drive using the mount /dev/sda1 /swissbit on the shell. i cannot umount it until i log out of gnome. how can i fix this |
| 11:02.43 | Znh_ | nevermind |
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| 11:02.48 | k8to | mithro: okay but, going back tot he beginning, what actually happens |
| 11:02.58 | Mjelva | guys: I wanna do something slightly ninja. Is it possible to run DCTC on a server, and DC_GUI on another computer (so I can shut down my computer and detach dc_gui, while the server keeps downloading)? FAQ on their website says dc_gui can attach to an already running instance of dctc. How do I make it attach to an instance running on another computer on the network? |
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| 11:03.35 | mithro | I go "ssh -v <server>" the normal login things appear then after "debug1: Entering interactive session." nothing happens and the ssh can only be killed with kill -9 |
| 11:03.39 | bbrazil | Mjelva: ssh -X |
| 11:03.58 | nanok | Mjelva: you could also use screen on the server, it might do the trick |
| 11:04.00 | w|edge | mithro: tried reboot? |
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| 11:04.07 | liable | Brian_L: doesnt gnome mount it automagically for you? |
| 11:04.13 | mithro | w|edge: yes |
| 11:04.17 | w|edge | mithro: any broken packages? hardware fault? |
| 11:04.19 | Brian_L | hell no |
| 11:04.19 | k8to | Mjelva: this seems like you are asking a question very specific to the direct connect project |
| 11:04.22 | k8to | Mjelva: i would ask them |
| 11:04.24 | bbrazil | nanok: dc_gui is an X app |
| 11:04.28 | w|edge | tried running memtest86 on that server mithro ? |
| 11:04.33 | Mjelva | k8to - true. i suppose that wouldn't be a bad idea. |
| 11:04.34 | k8to | Mjelva: the suggestions of screen for running dtct remotely will work, however |
| 11:04.36 | mithro | k8to: i have tried both openssh in sarge and unstable - both exhibit the same problem |
| 11:04.37 | Brian_L | I like the console method of working |
| 11:04.44 | mithro | other people can login to the same server fine |
| 11:04.45 | k8to | Mjelva: but doesn't sound like what you want |
| 11:04.52 | nanok | bbrazil: yeah, but he can use the console version. there is one afair |
| 11:04.56 | Brian_L | i dont want any auto magik anything |
| 11:05.00 | mithro | and i can ssh to it fine if i use lsh |
| 11:05.01 | k8to | mithro: so ssh locks on connect |
| 11:05.02 | bbrazil | nanok: yeah, but it isn't as nice |
| 11:05.05 | k8to | mithro: i have seen that behavior! |
| 11:05.05 | botsy | it's possible i specify 2 home in /etc/passwd for an user ? |
| 11:05.07 | liable | Brian_L: so why cant you umount it? |
| 11:05.11 | ootput | is anybody here working with the sil3112 chipset (nforce2 mobo) ? |
| 11:05.15 | k8to | mithro: but only once |
| 11:05.17 | AlexW | what cds will i need for a std install |
| 11:05.19 | bbrazil | botsy: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:05.26 | Paivakil | find the PID of esd using the ps -A command, and say `kill -s kill <no> |
| 11:05.27 | Mjelva | k8to - what i want is to be able to attach a frontend, start a download, detach, and have the server do the downloading while i happily pursue other interests. |
| 11:05.37 | k8to | mithro: it was when sshing into an amd64 box i had set up |
| 11:05.45 | mithro | k8to: i have seen it once betfore, but I can't figure out what i did to fix it then |
| 11:05.46 | Brian_L | liable: it syas the device is busy when i use umount. im guessing thaty some part of the gnome system is locking the file |
| 11:05.51 | w|edge | mithro: clear your ssh key cache |
| 11:05.52 | k8to | mithro: so on the logs do you see the users connect? |
| 11:05.58 | k8to | mithro: the lockup user? |
| 11:05.59 | Gnea | AlexW: is the system to be connected to the internet on a broadband-type link? |
| 11:06.07 | botsy | if you prefer i have make a ftp server with vsftpd but it use /etc/passwd for know where it connect when user is authenticate ... |
| 11:06.09 | mithro | w|edge: already tried that |
| 11:06.12 | liable | Brian_L: lsof /mnt/foo |
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| 11:06.16 | w|edge | on the client and server? |
| 11:06.21 | Brian_L | liable: Also the icon never appears to access |
| 11:06.22 | w|edge | ~/.ssh/stuffhere |
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| 11:06.25 | mithro | k8to: from the server side everything looks fine except the shell never starts |
| 11:06.32 | liable | Brian_L: or fuser /dev/foo |
| 11:06.36 | w|edge | mithro: check /etc/passwd of that user |
| 11:06.36 | mithro | w|edge: yeah already tried ~/.ssh/* |
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| 11:06.40 | dimitri | dies anyone know where I can find the guys taking care of netatalk |
| 11:06.41 | bbrazil | botsy: I'd suggest reading the vsftpd documentation - it might have an option for that |
| 11:06.44 | k8to | mithro: smells like a bug! |
| 11:06.46 | Sonny | I can hear the event sounds now, but when I play an mp3 in xmms it says that my soundcard is busy......why? |
| 11:06.48 | liable | Brian_L: fam? |
| 11:06.54 | w|edge | make sure he's properly setup mithro with a shell |
| 11:06.54 | mithro | w|edge: a person on a different computer can login to the same account |
| 11:06.56 | bbrazil | botsy: otherwise check out proftpd - it has virtual users iirc |
| 11:06.59 | Paivakil | Sonny: find the PID of esd using the ps -A command, and say `kill -s kill <no> |
| 11:07.05 | k8to | mithro: have you tried other accounts? |
| 11:07.10 | botsy | bbrazil, i prefer vsftpd ... |
| 11:07.11 | Gnea | dimitri: apt-cache show netatalk | grep Maintainer |
| 11:07.18 | Brian_L | yes |
| 11:07.19 | botsy | thank |
| 11:07.24 | mithro | and i use to be able to login to this account fine as of 1+1/2 days ago |
| 11:07.40 | mithro | k8to: yes, it happens on my two servers, my SF account and a friends server |
| 11:07.41 | Gnea | mithro: what about from another system? |
| 11:07.42 | liable | Brian_L: what do you mean? the icon doesn't access? |
| 11:07.50 | Brian_L | liable: yes famd, i have no idea what this is, im guessing it's part of gnome |
| 11:07.52 | k8to | mithro: so it sounds like the problem is in the client |
| 11:07.56 | mithro | so it's a problem with the client |
| 11:08.12 | AciD | any debianer here having a "yakuake" version prior to 2.7.3-1 ? this one is too unstable for me |
| 11:08.12 | k8to | you've already tried moving aside your .ssh dir, yes? |
| 11:08.18 | Brian_L | liable: if gnome was grabbing it it should apear on the desktop like the cdrom. not a big deal i hate that feature |
| 11:08.25 | k8to | mithro: i would do a force-reinstall of ssh and its dependent packages |
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| 11:08.27 | mithro | k8to: yeah |
| 11:08.29 | dimitri | Gnea: I have not got it installed |
| 11:08.31 | k8to | mithro: just.. cuz |
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| 11:08.32 | botsy | with procmail it's possible when it receive mail it make one file for one mail ... not it stock in one file ... |
| 11:08.32 | mithro | k8to: already done that |
| 11:08.35 | Sonny | Paivakil: thanks, but now I cant hear the event sounds |
| 11:08.37 | k8to | mithro: hahah |
| 11:08.44 | liable | Brian_L: i think you can remove famd without to many probs.. |
| 11:08.44 | bbrazil | botsy: maildir |
| 11:08.45 | nanok | botsy: maildir |
| 11:08.47 | Gnea | dimitri: and that matters how? |
| 11:09.02 | Gnea | dimitri: what, you don't have debian installed? |
| 11:09.02 | Sonny | is it possible to hear both sounds: event sounds and music? |
| 11:09.13 | botsy | bbrazil, nanok i add maildir in my .promailrc or my fetchmailrc ? |
| 11:09.15 | Brian_L | liable: thanks for pointing me to the right path :) |
| 11:09.22 | mithro | k8to: i've tried everything i can think off |
| 11:09.24 | liable | Brian_L: np |
| 11:09.28 | dimitri | Gnea: i would like to install it, I can't find a package, so I am trying to compile and I got errors during the make |
| 11:09.29 | bbrazil | botsy: man procmailrc, man procmailex |
| 11:09.41 | botsy | oky thank bbrazil |
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| 11:09.46 | k8to | mithro: mithro libcomer2 got tweaked like a day or two ago |
| 11:09.46 | nanok | botsy: procmail handles that, if you have a fetchmail + procmail setup |
| 11:09.48 | mithro | otherwise i would just use that |
| 11:10.03 | Gnea | !find netatalk |
| 11:10.09 | dpkg | netatalk: (AppleTalk user binaries), section net, is extra. Version: 2.0.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 672 kB, Installed size: 1756 kB |
| 11:10.10 | k8to | mithro: i would file a bug! |
| 11:10.19 | Paivakil | Sonny do you have gnome-alsamixer installed? |
| 11:10.20 | botsy | nanok, i use fetchmail + procmail for take my mail on my provider pop server .. |
| 11:10.23 | nanok | botsy: man procmail will edify you (it is quite simple afair, a matter of a strategicaly placed / afair ;) |
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| 11:10.43 | k8to | mithro: i assume you are using ssh protocol v 2 |
| 11:10.57 | Anyone | !tell dimitri about maintainer netatalk |
| 11:11.00 | mithro | k8to: tried both verison 1 and version 2 |
| 11:11.03 | Sonny | Paivakil: yep |
| 11:11.11 | nanok | botsy: you also might have to tell your mua, for mutt it is also a matter of / / no / |
| 11:11.43 | botsy | if you prefer i have create an interface in php for read/write my mail but they are all in one files ... |
| 11:12.00 | k8to | mithro: your system _could_ be owned |
| 11:12.08 | k8to | mithro: but i rather suspect it's an obscure bug |
| 11:12.19 | k8to | mithro: what about using another account on your computer? |
| 11:12.24 | botsy | but i have more user with pop account, it's possible i make 1 or 2 or 3 time maildir in my conf file ? |
| 11:12.43 | mithro | root has the same problem |
| 11:12.50 | k8to | mithro: how about a new user? |
| 11:13.00 | Gnea | any sane administrator turns root logins OFF |
| 11:13.05 | k8to | also, have you ensured you have the default /etc/ssh_config? |
| 11:13.10 | k8to | err, or whatever it's called |
| 11:13.25 | mithro | k8to: yeah |
| 11:13.37 | k8to | mithro: like, you moved it aside before reinstalling, or what? |
| 11:13.38 | bbrazil | botsy: yes |
| 11:14.04 | *** join/#debian mhall (n=mhall@adsl-69-225-35-25.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net) |
| 11:14.28 | mhall | w00t! I think I might have a working bcm43xx driver in Linux, after a god awful horrible session of compilation |
| 11:14.50 | Gnea | dimitri: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/netatalk |
| 11:14.51 | Sonny | Paivakil: yes I have this package |
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| 11:14.55 | k8to | mhall: what is that? |
| 11:15.23 | mhall | k8to: the evil proprietary broadcom wireless chip in every laptop |
| 11:15.42 | mhall | k8to: that bcm is a bunch of pigfuckers about and won't publish specs |
| 11:15.53 | mhall | !mhallsmite broadcom lawyers |
| 11:16.08 | k8to | mhall: so are you using the ndis wrappers or what |
| 11:16.14 | k8to | mhall: is there something reverse engineered? |
| 11:16.28 | mhall | k8to: no somebody reversed the windows driver :-D |
| 11:16.35 | k8to | yay |
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| 11:16.48 | k8to | that reach around meme bugs me |
| 11:16.55 | mhall | k8to: do you need it? |
| 11:17.14 | k8to | no i get plenty |
| 11:17.19 | mhall | k8to: now i am confused |
| 11:17.24 | k8to | mhall: i just made a dumb joke |
| 11:17.37 | k8to | mhall: is it contraband or generally available or what? |
| 11:17.41 | k8to | i have a friend who should use it |
| 11:17.42 | ootput | would it be advisable to transfer a working copy of debian onto a new raid1 array, and use that instead? |
| 11:17.44 | mhall | k8to: you mean the reach around meme in my smite? |
| 11:17.45 | dondelelcaro | k8to: it's generally available. |
| 11:17.46 | k8to | but i don't own a laptop |
| 11:17.54 | k8to | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 11:17.54 | ootput | or should i install from scratch? |
| 11:17.59 | mhall | k8to: it's generally available but a real bitch to install |
| 11:17.59 | k8to | mhall: yes that |
| 11:18.06 | k8to | the smite |
| 11:18.07 | mhall | k8to: bcm43xx.berlios.de |
| 11:18.24 | mithro | k8to: i deleted it |
| 11:18.26 | dondelelcaro | k8to: the hardware has basically been chinese walled, so a free implementation (minus the firmware) can be written. |
| 11:18.34 | k8to | mithro: well you got me |
| 11:18.45 | mhall | dondelelcaro: chinese walled? |
| 11:18.49 | k8to | mithro: i assume you saw this persist across powerdown |
| 11:18.53 | mithro | k8to: :/ |
| 11:18.56 | mithro | k8to: yeah |
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| 11:19.09 | k8to | mithro: i'd file the (lame) bug |
| 11:19.16 | Znh | In beep-media-player I cant adjust the volume for my soundcard |
| 11:19.48 | Znh | I can control the slider, but it does not make any effect |
| 11:19.50 | Anyone | dimitri, Sebastian Rittau |
| 11:20.04 | k8to | Znh: it tries to adjust the mixer level and that doesn't do anything on all soundcard drivers |
| 11:20.04 | dimitri | Anyone: |
| 11:20.06 | dimitri | '; |
| 11:20.09 | dimitri | ? |
| 11:20.11 | dondelelcaro | mhall: as in a group of people observed how the driver behaved, and wrote a spec. Then a totally separate group of people implemented the spec. |
| 11:20.16 | k8to | Znh: you can set it to a software adjustment in the soundstream instead |
| 11:20.17 | Znh | k8to: ah so its beep-media-player's fault |
| 11:20.19 | Anyone | dimitri, you asked? |
| 11:20.26 | mhall | dondelelcaro: ah right |
| 11:20.27 | k8to | Znh: well that's a sort of reasonable thing for it to do |
| 11:20.30 | Anyone | dimitri dies anyone know where I can find the guys taking care of netatalk |
| 11:20.35 | mhall | dondelelcaro: they both did a beautiful job |
| 11:20.36 | k8to | Znh: you could say it's the soundcard driver's fault |
| 11:20.40 | Znh | k8to: how can I do that software adjustment? |
| 11:20.47 | dondelelcaro | !maint netatalk |
| 11:20.49 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i think once i am in range of my ap this will actually work |
| 11:20.52 | dpkg | netatalk: Sebastian Rittau <srittau@debian.org> |
| 11:20.57 | ootput | is there a way for me to retrieve all packages of currently installed apps? |
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| 11:21.07 | mhall | does anybody know the difference between xsupplicant and wpasupplicant? |
| 11:21.15 | dondelelcaro | mhall: softmac is broken right now, at least, for open networks. |
| 11:21.23 | Anyone | mhall, nah .. but somebody might. |
| 11:21.44 | k8to | Znh: prefs -> plugins -> output -> prefs |
| 11:22.04 | k8to | Znh: well the alsa output module will do a software volume |
| 11:22.08 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i used dscape |
| 11:22.13 | dimitri | Anyone: thanks |
| 11:22.27 | k8to | Znh: if you're using an oss driver you could try changing the mixer device (if you have multiple) |
| 11:22.38 | Znh | k8to: yes I am using oss |
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| 11:22.49 | k8to | Znh: is your system still using oss? |
| 11:23.17 | Znh | k8to: yes I cant get alsa to work with this laptop |
| 11:23.22 | k8to | okay well |
| 11:23.50 | k8to | i don't know a solution for you then, sorry |
| 11:23.50 | Znh | np |
| 11:23.50 | dondelelcaro | mhall: eh? the bcm43xx driver requires softmac... |
| 11:23.52 | mhall | dondelelcaro: no you can build with the dspace layer instead |
| 11:23.52 | k8to | you could investigate the mixer handling in your sound card driver |
| 11:23.55 | mhall | dondelelcaro: link forthcoming |
| 11:24.05 | Anyone | dimitri, yw |
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| 11:24.26 | mhall | dondelelcaro: http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/bcm43xx/branches/dscape/driver/HOWTO ?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 11:24.28 | dondelelcaro | ah... that must be recent. |
| 11:24.30 | mhall | dondelelcaro: oops |
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| 11:24.45 | Deviad | Hello, I'm having some problems with xorg |
| 11:24.54 | Deviad | I replaced xfree86 with xorg |
| 11:24.56 | mhall | dondelelcaro: http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/bcm43xx/branches/dscape/driver/HOWTO?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 11:25.04 | Znh | k8to: woo it was configured on /dev/mixer, while it was /dev/mixer1 :)! |
| 11:25.06 | Deviad | it says: |
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| 11:25.28 | k8to | Znh: A+ |
| 11:25.36 | Deviad | The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF does not exist |
| 11:25.44 | Deviad | The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID does not exist |
| 11:25.47 | Deviad | and so on |
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| 11:26.32 | Znh | k8to: hehe.. large amplifier connected on this laptop.. quite good quality now :)) |
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| 11:26.51 | k8to | Znh: and you're using analog out? :(( |
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| 11:27.09 | S4nD3r | hi there. |
| 11:27.19 | Znh | k8to: heh ye quite bad for my amplifier |
| 11:27.21 | S4nD3r | Id like to know if sarge may be NIS client |
| 11:27.30 | Znh | k8to: this laptop is unique with having not a line out |
| 11:27.38 | k8to | no lineout? |
| 11:27.42 | k8to | what does it have? |
| 11:27.54 | k8to | Znh: amplified out? :OOOO |
| 11:28.00 | Znh | k8to: well the external boxes output |
| 11:28.07 | S4nD3r | Im at a network that there is a NIS server, then, Id like to install Sarge in my network client using NIS Client... |
| 11:28.09 | S4nD3r | Please |
| 11:28.11 | k8to | Znh: you have a USB device? |
| 11:28.20 | de-almasy | which version has kde 3.5 ? etch or sid |
| 11:28.30 | Znh | k8to: soundcard? no |
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| 11:28.42 | Znh | k8to: but I do have the input yes :p |
| 11:28.43 | k8to | S4nD3r: uh, you mean you need to get your networking info via nis or what? |
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| 11:28.51 | dondelelcaro | de-almasy: it's in experimental. |
| 11:28.58 | S4nD3r | Yes, via NIS |
| 11:29.22 | S4nD3r | The people here just use red hat, then I will need to be root in my machine |
| 11:29.27 | S4nD3r | then Id like to install sarge |
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| 11:29.42 | S4nD3r | but I dont know if sarge has nis client package |
| 11:29.47 | k8to | S4nD3r: i would just debootstrap from the working redhat config then |
| 11:29.52 | de-almasy | dondelelcaro : thanks. im not aware there's other track than the main three. |
| 11:29.58 | de-almasy | i was not aware* |
| 11:30.01 | k8to | S4nD3r: sarge has YP client yes |
| 11:30.02 | Paivakil | S4nD3r: search in packages.debian.org |
| 11:30.16 | dondelelcaro | de-almasy: that's basically because people who aren't aware of it already generally shouldnt |
| 11:30.24 | dondelelcaro | de-almasy: shouldn't be runing things out of it. |
| 11:30.33 | Znh | k8to: why? |
| 11:30.36 | liable | de-almasy: now that you know about it, you should forget it :) |
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| 11:30.45 | S4nD3r | I dont know how to debootstrap, I prefer install sarge |
| 11:30.49 | k8to | Znh: why what? |
| 11:30.50 | Deviad | Can anyon help me to fix this xorg stuff? |
| 11:30.51 | Shoolen | I wonder |
| 11:30.56 | Znh | k8to: you asked if I had a usb device |
| 11:31.04 | k8to | S4nD3r: well install sarge then! |
| 11:31.05 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 11:31.07 | Anyone | Deviad, no I can't. I am sorry. |
| 11:31.08 | Shoolen | Could I use debian on a PowerBook 1400cs |
| 11:31.09 | Shoolen | ? |
| 11:31.09 | de-almasy | very well put |
| 11:31.18 | dimitri | I have installed netatalk and read the doc, but I can't make it to work, how do I mount a apple volume ? |
| 11:31.21 | Znh | Shoolen: what are the specifications of that laptop? |
| 11:31.29 | k8to | Znh: you said your laptop didn't have line-out |
| 11:31.35 | dondelelcaro | Shoolen: you should be able to... but those laptops aren't very powerful |
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| 11:31.42 | S4nD3r | I need to install packages |
| 11:31.48 | Shoolen | Znh: hm i dont really know, Its a 117mhz |
| 11:31.51 | S4nD3r | but, here theres a administrator |
| 11:31.53 | Shoolen | and like 16 in ram |
| 11:32.03 | Znh | Shoolen: debian worked fine on my 120mhz /48 mbram |
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| 11:32.08 | dondelelcaro | it's a 117M 601e oldworld, iirc. |
| 11:32.10 | S4nD3r | Using sarge, I may install all I need just using apt-get |
| 11:32.13 | S4nD3r | so easy |
| 11:32.17 | Shoolen | Znh: what version? :/ |
| 11:32.24 | Znh | Shoolen: the most actual |
| 11:32.27 | S4nD3r | And, I will be root of this machine |
| 11:32.34 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: so ask your administrator to install the packages you need... |
| 11:32.35 | k8to | Znh: are you german? |
| 11:32.46 | Znh | k8to: nope |
| 11:32.47 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: if you can't, install them into your home directory, and set LD_PATH appropriately. |
| 11:32.49 | Shoolen | hm, i think I need the oldest version of debian :) tbh |
| 11:33.00 | Znh | Shoolen: does your laptop have an cdrom device? |
| 11:33.07 | k8to | Znh: just curious: current -> actual |
| 11:33.15 | k8to | aktuel |
| 11:33.21 | Znh | k8to: I am dutch ;) |
| 11:33.22 | S4nD3r | I need to use nc, tcpdump, nmap |
| 11:33.28 | k8to | Znh: oh right, i should have remembered |
| 11:33.31 | S4nD3r | you know... |
| 11:33.38 | Shoolen | Znh: yeap |
| 11:33.49 | Znh | Shoolen: lucky, that will make it easy |
| 11:34.02 | nanok | Shoolen: not really, ymmv, i use 2.6 kernel on my 233mhz laptop, so.. |
| 11:34.08 | Shoolen | really? :D but how do i do :/ |
| 11:34.15 | Shoolen | hm |
| 11:34.15 | S4nD3r | I need to learn how to use thise network tools |
| 11:34.18 | nanok | Shoolen: however most people recommended against doing that |
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| 11:34.21 | dimitri | what is the com to show my ip ? ipconf ? |
| 11:34.24 | Znh | Shoolen: does it have a pcmcia .. socket? |
| 11:34.25 | S4nD3r | snort, saint, nessus, and so one |
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| 11:34.32 | Shoolen | Znh: i dont know |
| 11:34.35 | Znh | dimitri: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 11:34.36 | Shoolen | its a old mac |
| 11:34.37 | Shoolen | :P |
| 11:34.38 | S4nD3r | dimitri: ifconfig |
| 11:34.40 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: so install it... |
| 11:34.42 | square_head | Znh ifconfig -a |grep inet |
| 11:34.53 | Znh | square_head: wrong one |
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| 11:34.59 | S4nD3r | dondelelcaro: I may install it in redhat, inside my home |
| 11:35.01 | S4nD3r | ? |
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| 11:35.05 | k8to | Znh: i used to edit SuSE documentation for english. About 10% of my job was s/actual/current/ |
| 11:35.16 | nanok | Shoolen: having a cdrom, a pcmcia slot and/or network card might make it a lot easyer. check |
| 11:35.22 | Znh | k8to: hah |
| 11:35.22 | CoDeX | Which mail server is more secure to install ? |
| 11:35.22 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: using debootstrap, sure. But you should just install Debain on all of your machines and just get over it. |
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| 11:35.47 | Znh | Shoolen: dont know if debian can cooperate with mac machines.. whole different arch (atleast what I rmb) |
| 11:35.57 | S4nD3r | dondelelcaro: I just need 1 machine running debian |
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| 11:36.07 | Shoolen | :-< |
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| 11:36.13 | nanok | Znh: ppc, there is a stable nice port for that afair |
| 11:36.14 | S4nD3r | because, I want to be root in that one |
| 11:36.17 | theturtl | anyone know of a guide for tomcat5 on debian? |
| 11:36.24 | _rene_ | Znh: of course it can. ppc |
| 11:36.31 | Znh | oh ok :) |
| 11:36.31 | S4nD3r | so, the question was answered |
| 11:36.32 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: so either install Debian on a machine, or use debootstrap to install Debian into a chroot. |
| 11:36.34 | _rene_ | Znh: you know, Debian's not i386-only |
| 11:36.41 | S4nD3r | I can use YP client in sarge. |
| 11:36.47 | Znh | _rene_: ye I received the message |
| 11:36.47 | _rene_ | nanok: or even m68k for oooold macs :) |
| 11:36.49 | Anyone | theturtl, I used to. Now I just use whatever is on apache's website. (or is it jakartas?) |
| 11:37.09 | CoDeX | anyone could tell me which mail server is more secured to install it ? |
| 11:37.10 | nanok | Shoolen: it should work fine, again, you can google for debian and you laptop model, you might find someone already running debian on such a machine |
| 11:37.11 | Anyone | !tomcat |
| 11:37.11 | dpkg | it has been said that tomcat is a reference implementation of jsp 1.1 and servlets 2.2 - for more information visit http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/index.html, or if you still have problems to configure and run it, see http://www.ccl.net/cca/software/UNIX/apache/ |
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| 11:37.30 | nanok | _rene_: yeah, dont know about that one.. |
| 11:37.36 | Anyone | CoDeX, sendmail is nice. |
| 11:37.54 | Anyone | CoDeX, do read some about it though .. its not for the faint of heart. |
| 11:38.24 | CoDeX | ok thanks |
| 11:38.25 | nanok | !tell CoDeX about mta war |
| 11:38.39 | Anyone | CoDeX, some say I am crazy to advise that .. but do read "don't blame sendmail". :-) |
| 11:39.02 | Anyone | CoDeX, other MTA's include exim and postfix |
| 11:39.15 | theturtl | anyone im just looking for a guide on getting it installed, i'll check apache's website, maybe they have one |
| 11:39.32 | theturtl | due to it using java, it doesn' tappear to have a package :( |
| 11:39.38 | Anyone | CoDeX, exim used to have some security issues .. but I believe most (if not all) of them appears to be solved now. |
| 11:39.40 | nanok | CoDeX: you should choose your mta yourself, based on your own needs/preferences. it's like with distributions, editors, window-managers: there is no "ultimate" one |
| 11:40.02 | Anyone | theturtl, they do .. and yes, tomcat is in debian .. but only tomcat4 afaik. |
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| 11:40.10 | CoDeX | i c |
| 11:40.15 | S4nD3r | dondelelcaro: The process to install Debian into chroot, will take disk space? |
| 11:40.26 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: yes. |
| 11:40.33 | S4nD3r | I have here, the CD1, which steps should I follow |
| 11:40.34 | Anyone | CoDeX, I use sendmail, and its by far the most mature codebase. |
| 11:40.51 | S4nD3r | I dont have root password... |
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| 11:41.00 | Zugschlus | Anyone: when was the last exim security issue? and when was the one before that? Kindly stop spreading FUD. |
| 11:41.14 | bibe | theturtl : I found this howto very interesting: http://www.switch.ch/aai/docs/shibboleth/SWITCH/1.3/idp/install-idp-1.3-debian.html |
| 11:41.44 | Anyone | Zugschlus, its not so many years ago, check security.debian.org |
| 11:41.46 | seeeS | i use postfix for mail switches, exim for null hosts |
| 11:41.50 | theturtl | hrmm |
| 11:41.56 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: you need to be root. |
| 11:41.57 | theturtl | thanks bibe |
| 11:42.06 | S4nD3r | oh.. |
| 11:42.09 | bibe | theturtl : no problem |
| 11:42.21 | S4nD3r | I was root, I would not install sarge |
| 11:42.45 | dondelelcaro | ? |
| 11:42.53 | valdyn | !sendmail |
| 11:42.53 | dpkg | from memory, sendmail is ask me to start an mta war. |
| 11:42.53 | Anyone | Zugschlus, and I am kind enough not to spread FUD, most of the time anyhow. |
| 11:43.11 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: factinfo sendmail |
| 11:43.11 | dpkg | sendmail -- created by daxal <supaplex@12-254-197-211.client.attbi.com> at Sun Aug 31 05:58:57 2003 (856 days); it has been requested 84 times, last by EdLin at Tue Nov 22 02:03:42 2005. |
| 11:43.24 | dondelelcaro | hrm... someone totally munged that. |
| 11:43.42 | Anyone | Zugschlus, check out this security thing: http://www.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-637 |
| 11:43.55 | S4nD3r | If I was root, I would not install sarge |
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| 11:44.07 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: then why in the world are you here? |
| 11:44.08 | Anyone | Zugschlus, or this: http://www.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-635 |
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| 11:44.22 | Anyone | Zugschlus, both from 2005 |
| 11:44.38 | S4nD3r | because, Id like to know about NIS client |
| 11:44.41 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. |
| 11:44.41 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 11:44.50 | Zugschlus | Anyone: two instances of the same very very minor issue tht didn't apply to Debian's standard configuration |
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| 11:44.53 | S4nD3r | in sarge. ok then dondelelcaro |
| 11:45.00 | marc_in_lux_ | good morning |
| 11:45.08 | Anyone | Zugschlus, and they're resolved now. |
| 11:45.14 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: then become root and install sarge; if you want to know how it works, you can find the package on packages.debian.org |
| 11:45.18 | strk | Can anyone suggest a webcam to buy for linux-2.6.7 ? |
| 11:45.25 | Zugschlus | Anyone: now, what was the security issue before that? |
| 11:45.29 | valdyn | Anyone: DSA are a useless way to measure security ( issues ) |
| 11:45.33 | Anyone | strk, not really .. I don't use webcams |
| 11:45.37 | strk | hardware support information are hell ! |
| 11:45.42 | Anyone | Zugschlus, in 2004 there are two simular issues. |
| 11:45.47 | S4nD3r | Im learning using network tools |
| 11:46.00 | theturtl | bibe - the best part about that guide, is, in contrast to usual linux guides, its actually current! :D |
| 11:46.16 | valdyn | Anyone: no, in 2004 there were two similar _fixes_ |
| 11:46.17 | Zugschlus | Anyone: in fact, I should thank you for steering people to move away from exim |
| 11:46.23 | Anyone | Zugschlus, if you're really interested, you can search the archives yourself. Its not worse or better than many other packages. |
| 11:46.23 | Zugschlus | *: exim sucks badly. Don't use! |
| 11:46.25 | Zugschlus | Never use! |
| 11:46.27 | S4nD3r | Then, I need to install packages, do you understand!? |
| 11:46.34 | S4nD3r | remove packages |
| 11:46.39 | S4nD3r | setup tools, and so one |
| 11:46.45 | Anyone | Zugschlus, I am not stering exim away from people. |
| 11:46.52 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: then install Debian. If you aren't going to install Debian, there's little we can do to help you. |
| 11:47.00 | Zugschlus | Anyone: kindly take a look in exim4's uploader field and learn why I know pretty well about exim. |
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| 11:47.30 | Anyone | Zugschlus, uploader of exim, you are? |
| 11:47.32 | S4nD3r | I undestand... I never used NIS CLient in sarge, that was my doubt. |
| 11:47.36 | dondelelcaro | !maint exim4 |
| 11:47.38 | dpkg | exim4: Exim4 Maintainers <pkg-exim4-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 11:47.52 | marc_in_lux_ | I installed asarge on a brnad nex box some weeks ago and had root on lvm and other funny stuff set up. In between I learned to keep things simple and moved my root to a real partition. How can I now explain debian I don't want all that stuff in initrd anymore, and I want my root some place else? When I do an apt-get install kernel-image, it overwrites grub's menu.lst, and the initrd still has all those lvm drivers |
| 11:47.53 | dondelelcaro | Zugschlus: nyah, nyah... you're not actually the maintainer... ;-) |
| 11:47.56 | S4nD3r | If Nis client, doesnt work, the administrator will be so angry with me.... |
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| 11:48.02 | Zugschlus | dondelelcaro: which is why I mean the Uploaders: field ;) Maintainer: is pretty much useless these days |
| 11:48.07 | dondelelcaro | Zugschlus: ;-) |
| 11:48.10 | stondo | hello all |
| 11:48.47 | finn23 | hi |
| 11:48.51 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: then install NIS on a test machine where you have root and make sure it works. It's worked on all the machines I've seen which use NIS here. |
| 11:48.55 | stondo | I'm having problem with midi and sarge |
| 11:49.06 | tarzeau | stondo: timidity? |
| 11:49.17 | Anyone | dondelelcaro, are you us-american, and were your father named Lance, Niel or Luis? |
| 11:49.17 | S4nD3r | Ok, if you have this installed |
| 11:49.19 | stondo | timidity says it can't find conf file |
| 11:49.31 | tarzeau | stondo: fix it |
| 11:49.38 | tarzeau | stondo: tried opencubicplayer for midi? |
| 11:49.39 | stondo | but the problem is, I can't play any midi file |
| 11:49.46 | dondelelcaro | Anyone: no. my family isn't even remotely connected with them. |
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| 11:50.02 | dondelelcaro | I'm not even sure if they even belong to my clan. |
| 11:50.15 | stondo | playmidi and kmid didn't play any sound |
| 11:50.19 | stondo | so I loaded some modules |
| 11:50.25 | S4nD3r | I dont have machine to test.... |
| 11:50.28 | Anyone | dondelelcaro, I assume Armstrong is a common name in the US then? |
| 11:50.30 | stondo | and now I can see various midi devices |
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| 11:50.41 | Guerin | Anyone: Neil, Louis |
| 11:50.41 | tarzeau | stondo: can i have your midi files? |
| 11:50.45 | Muffie | and........Muffie is back! |
| 11:50.49 | dondelelcaro | Anyone: it's a scottish and an english clan; a lot of people have that name. |
| 11:50.50 | stondo | they play the file now, but I can't hear the sound |
| 11:50.52 | blondie | Muffie: OMG! |
| 11:50.57 | Muffie | OMG? |
| 11:50.57 | tarzeau | stondo: make louder |
| 11:51.00 | tarzeau | !OMG |
| 11:51.00 | dpkg | somebody said omg was what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 11:51.02 | Guerin | Muffie: and ......... nobody gives a fuck! |
| 11:51.03 | Muffie | !OMG |
| 11:51.05 | stondo | sure, but I can't even play the midi test under KDE control center |
| 11:51.18 | tarzeau | stondo: did you make LOUDER? |
| 11:51.32 | tarzeau | stondo: the speakers have power? |
| 11:51.32 | Muffie | Guerin: Wow! Thats nice! :) You're probably a very nice person |
| 11:51.35 | stondo | I can play all other sound files |
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| 11:51.42 | tarzeau | stondo: there is a cable between the speakers and the computer? |
| 11:51.47 | stondo | omg :P |
| 11:51.51 | tarzeau | did you stick the thing into the right hole on the computer? |
| 11:51.55 | Muffie | !guerin |
| 11:51.55 | dpkg | Piss off. |
| 11:52.03 | tarzeau | it works here |
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| 11:52.09 | stondo | my audio sysyem is ok |
| 11:52.15 | stondo | I just have problem configuring the midi |
| 11:52.28 | tarzeau | stondo: freepats? aew? |
| 11:52.35 | stondo | don't know them |
| 11:52.52 | streuner | dpkg, forget guerin |
| 11:52.52 | dpkg | streuner: i forgot guerin |
| 11:53.09 | streuner | Muffie: don't abuse the factoids of the bot much, thanks. |
| 11:53.11 | tarzeau | !factinfo guerin |
| 11:53.11 | dpkg | tarzeau: there's no such factoid as guerin |
| 11:53.38 | tarzeau | !freepats |
| 11:54.10 | Paivakil | stondo: do you have a midi player installd? |
| 11:54.17 | stondo | yup several |
| 11:54.35 | stondo | before I loaded some modules the system said it couldn't find /dev/sequencer |
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| 11:54.51 | stondo | now it just plays the file, but there's no sound at all |
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| 11:55.19 | stondo | tried muse, kmid, playmidi, etc |
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| 11:56.07 | stondo | lsmod shows many snd modules |
| 11:56.22 | tarzeau | stondo: that's fine. ALSA |
| 11:56.23 | stondo | amidi -l output seems right to me |
| 11:56.37 | stondo | alsamixer doesn't have a MIDI volume control |
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| 11:58.20 | stondo | what's the rawmidi ? |
| 11:58.29 | Deviad | when I type this in gnome-session-properties xcompmgr -cf -r9 -l-13 -t9 -D4 the system hangs |
| 11:58.30 | Deviad | why^ |
| 11:58.31 | Deviad | _ |
| 11:58.35 | Deviad | * |
| 11:59.08 | stondo | rawmidi looks like a virtual device or something' |
| 11:59.09 | stondo | ? |
| 11:59.13 | stondo | how do I get rid of it? |
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| 11:59.56 | dimir | Blow it up! |
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| 12:00.47 | pawdro | is it normal that right button of mouse doesnt work on desktop in etch? |
| 12:01.00 | streuner | pawdro: no |
| 12:01.07 | doleyb | pawdro: etch has no desktop by default |
| 12:01.28 | pawdro | doleyb: default gnome 2.10 fot etch |
| 12:01.28 | streuner | pawdro: you have to configure X right then |
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| 12:01.46 | streuner | pawdro: xorg or xfree86? |
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| 12:02.04 | pawdro | xorg |
| 12:02.11 | pawdro | in etch 6.8 |
| 12:02.39 | streuner | what kind of mouse do you have, btw? |
| 12:02.51 | pawdro | 3 button with wheel |
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| 12:03.02 | streuner | !mousewheel |
| 12:03.02 | dpkg | historical info on using a mousewheel with many linux applications can be found at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, go to the mouse section, change Protocol to IMPS/2 and add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' |
| 12:04.09 | pawdro | i have it all |
| 12:04.14 | Muffie | Direct rendering is really a concern in X.org isnt it? Everything seems to be fine, 100% perfect, but glxinfo | grep direct shows No!!!. Anyone can take a look at my files? (www.hbarcellos.com/Xorg.0.log.txt) (www.hbarcellos.com/xorg.conf.txt) (www.hbarcellos.com/glxinfo.output.txt) |
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| 12:04.25 | mansu | hi all |
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| 12:04.47 | mansu | is there a default kernal package with the default acpi support? |
| 12:05.06 | mansu | or is there kernel package for laptops? |
| 12:05.11 | ootput | if i created a deb in /usr/src that contained my custom kernel, would i be able to use that deb elsewhere? (for instance, in a new installation) |
| 12:05.18 | Muffie | this can be a problem: (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1) found ? |
| 12:05.20 | pawdro | dpkg but the right button only doesnt work on the desktop (wallpaper) |
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| 12:05.23 | Paivakil | ootput: yes |
| 12:05.23 | tictac | why not just build your own? |
| 12:05.33 | streuner | pawdro: oh |
| 12:05.39 | pawdro | ;] |
| 12:05.40 | streuner | pawdro: dpkg is a bot |
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| 12:05.52 | pawdro | i thought |
| 12:05.53 | mansu | tictac: ?? |
| 12:05.58 | tictac | ootput: provided the archs are the same on both computers. (or at least compatible) |
| 12:06.02 | Paivakil | mansu: hardware? |
| 12:06.09 | streuner | pawdro: well, look at BTS then (gnome package) |
| 12:06.11 | tictac | mansu: why not just compile a new kernel for the laptop? |
| 12:06.12 | Muffie | !dpgk Direct Rendering |
| 12:06.16 | mansu | Paivakil: acer latop.... |
| 12:06.39 | Paivakil | amd64? (turion)? |
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| 12:06.44 | mansu | tictac: thats a waste ... its taking too long and i am missing making mistakes |
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| 12:07.02 | mansu | Paivakil: on sorry, i am on celeron |
| 12:07.06 | ootput | tictac: it's the same computer. I'm ditching these drives in favor a sata-raid1'd array. The .config is working well, and new options (mostly raid + scsi options) were added |
| 12:07.16 | ootput | tictac: i'd like to see it work from the start |
| 12:07.34 | ootput | Paivakil: fantastic |
| 12:08.01 | tictac | ootput: yes, that will work fine. |
| 12:08.11 | mansu | Paivakil: any ideas? |
| 12:08.12 | Paivakil | ootput: make sure your kernel has support for sata *and* raid |
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| 12:08.25 | Muffie | is it possible that Xorg.0.log shows this "(II) fglrx(0): Direct rendering enabled" and glxinfo shows this "direct rendering: No"??? |
| 12:08.28 | ootput | Paivakil: yeah |
| 12:08.29 | Paivakil | mansu: waitaminit |
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| 12:08.39 | mansu | ok |
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| 12:08.54 | ootput | Paivakil: nothing like initrd would be required, right? it's all compiled in |
| 12:09.24 | Muffie | anyone? |
| 12:09.26 | Paivakil | ootput: not sure - depends on how you configured your .config |
| 12:09.54 | ootput | it works without any initrd atm. i was worried about raid + sata detection and setup |
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| 12:10.05 | Paivakil | mansu: check in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/acpi/ if you have he modules |
| 12:10.16 | Paivakil | s/he/the acpi modules |
| 12:12.11 | zuru | still cannot install splashy. Have "WARN: vga= was not found in /proc/cmdline, VESA:VGA was not found in /rpoc/fb, DirectFBError..." |
| 12:12.12 | mansu | Paivakil: i have many .ko files in that directory... |
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| 12:12.45 | Paivakil | check for the files in the acpi directory |
| 12:12.58 | Paivakil | esp. the one named acpi.ko |
| 12:13.19 | Paivakil | err. ac.ko |
| 12:13.59 | zuru | has anyone here successfully installed 'splashy' in 'testing'? |
| 12:14.10 | mansu | Paivakil: ya i have it |
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| 12:14.52 | Muffie | Direct Rendering help! |
| 12:14.59 | mansu | i also insmodded it |
| 12:15.00 | Muffie | !dpgk fglrx |
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| 12:15.28 | Paivakil | mansu: you running sarge? |
| 12:15.30 | Mash | I've this problem -> http://paste.debian.net/3506 initrd-tools = 0.1.84 |
| 12:15.30 | bizkit | will removing CAP_SYS_MODULE and CAP_SYS_RAWIO from the global set of allowed capabilities have a downside to certain server-side apps? i'll do this for my servers, not for any client machines running xfree86.. |
| 12:15.40 | mansu | Paivakil: unstable |
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| 12:15.59 | valdyn | Muffie: try 'sudo glxinfo' |
| 12:16.10 | mansu | Paivakil: 2.6.14-2 |
| 12:16.44 | Paivakil | mansu: your kernel has acpi support |
| 12:16.50 | Paivakil | now what is the problem? |
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| 12:17.24 | Muffie | valdyn, it returns an error. Saying that root does not have acess to X. Can be that? |
| 12:17.32 | streuner | Mash: there was/is a bug with mkinitrramfs, IIRC |
| 12:17.40 | Muffie | valdyn, Debian box is at home, Im at work right now. |
| 12:18.00 | Paivakil | mansu: you may need to install powermanagement-base|acpid |
| 12:18.43 | w|edge | <kernel> I compile, there for I am. |
| 12:18.49 | mansu | Paivakil: the kde cintrol center says ... our computer seems to have a partial ACPI installation. ACPI was probably enabled, but some of the sub-options were not - you need to enable at least 'AC Adaptor' and 'Control Method Battery' and then rebuild your kernel. |
| 12:18.57 | Mash | streuner: i can't find a bug |
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| 12:19.05 | streuner | Mash: what version of debian do you use? |
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| 12:19.16 | Muffie | valdyn, how can I grant access to all users? |
| 12:19.18 | mansu | Paivakil: i assume those were already enabled... |
| 12:19.18 | Mash | streuner: unstable |
| 12:19.27 | Mash | streuner: a bug in the BTS |
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| 12:19.54 | dondelelcaro | Mash: what is the problem? |
| 12:20.05 | streuner | http://paste.debian.net/3506 |
| 12:20.32 | Paivakil | mansu: check output of lsmod and see if battery, and ac modules are installed |
| 12:20.44 | Paivakil | s/installed/loaded |
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| 12:20.48 | Mash | dondelelcaro: -> http://paste.debian.net/3506 |
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| 12:20.58 | AlexW | what the php package resouce? |
| 12:21.00 | AlexW | php.dot.deb or something? |
| 12:21.18 | dondelelcaro | AlexW: just use the ones that are actually in Debian. |
| 12:21.26 | dondelelcaro | Mash: is this a custom kernel? |
| 12:22.02 | AlexW | dondelelcaro: whys that |
| 12:22.03 | Muffie | well... Anyone knows why my regular user has privileges to run "glxinfo" but root does not? |
| 12:22.23 | dondelelcaro | AlexW: uh, because those are the ones that we will actually support and Debian itself will support? |
| 12:22.31 | w|edge | <module> If I'm not loaded, do I then exist? |
| 12:22.42 | AlexW | ahh yeah.... |
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| 12:23.10 | AlexW | how do i find packages again |
| 12:23.14 | mansu | Paivakil: battery was not loaded, i loaded it... it was there in acpi... |
| 12:23.19 | dondelelcaro | !tell AlexW -about search |
| 12:23.29 | AlexW | thanks |
| 12:23.47 | streuner | !info linux-image-2.6.14-ck8 |
| 12:23.51 | SR|Ada | silly question, but what does it mean when a Compaq Proliant 6500 Dual Xeon does a continuous beep when turned on and does nothing further, other than start some fans? |
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| 12:23.57 | streuner | dpkg> Package 'linux-image-2.6.14-ck8' does not exist. |
| 12:24.08 | bbrazil | SR|Ada: check the manual |
| 12:24.14 | AlexW | so apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 12:24.19 | AlexW | should install apache and php |
| 12:24.21 | AlexW | correct... |
| 12:24.23 | dondelelcaro | AlexW: yes. |
| 12:24.46 | SR|Ada | hmm, the POST errors page didn't list continuous beeps only combinations of short and long |
| 12:25.07 | SR|Ada | bbrazil, think it could be more ... low level than that |
| 12:25.25 | Paivakil | mansu: now do your kcontrol thing again |
| 12:25.41 | bbrazil | SR|Ada: bad CPU? |
| 12:25.47 | AlexW | !info apt config |
| 12:25.51 | bbrazil | SR|Ada: BIOS chip loose? |
| 12:25.59 | AlexW | !tell AlexW -about apt config |
| 12:26.07 | Mash | dondelelcaro: thats a 2.6.14 from kernel.org (vanilla source)+ck8 patch and i'have built it with -> make-kpkg kernel-image --initrd && make modules-image |
| 12:26.14 | AlexW | how do i config aptget |
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| 12:26.22 | bbrazil | AlexW: apt-setup |
| 12:26.26 | AlexW | thx |
| 12:26.29 | SR|Ada | bbrazil, hmm |
| 12:26.44 | strk | does anyone here use a *webcam*? |
| 12:26.58 | strk | (on linux, that is) |
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| 12:27.54 | dondelelcaro | Mash: if you're building your own kernel, why are you using initrd? |
| 12:28.02 | deadline | strk: afaik gnomemeeting can help you with that |
| 12:28.32 | dondelelcaro | Mash: furthermore, if you're building yoru own kenrel, and haven't enabled cramfs support, the initrd isn't going to work eiteher. |
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| 12:30.49 | Firefishe | 'night for now, folks... |
| 12:30.50 | Mash | dondelelcaro: 3 days ago i've built a kernel wirh ck7 with the same config and this was dondelelcaro: 3 days ago i've built a kernel wirh ck7 with the same config and this was successfully |
| 12:30.50 | Firefishe | be well |
| 12:30.55 | Firefishe | happy gnu year ;) hee |
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| 12:31.03 | Muffie | well... Anyone knows why my regular user has privileges to run "glxinfo" but root does not? |
| 12:31.24 | streuner | Mash: so what did you change in the meantime? |
| 12:31.39 | lunitik | strk: constrary to what deadline said... for the most part... you need gaim-vv to get voice chat support ... sorru |
| 12:31.45 | lunitik | sorry* |
| 12:32.01 | dondelelcaro | Muffie: eh? root should be able to run it too; what does stat $(which glxinfo) do? |
| 12:32.03 | lunitik | contrary* |
| 12:32.16 | Mash | dondelelcaro: and CONFIG_CRAMFS=y is in the config |
| 12:32.46 | streuner | Mash: which packages did you upgraded the last 3 days? |
| 12:32.51 | dondelelcaro | Mash: ok; give us the full output of LANG=C dpkg --configure -a; on the box; |
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| 12:33.38 | mansu | Paivakil: also installed acpi now.. now that seems to be working... the problem was that acpid was not installed and hence the modules were not loaded |
| 12:33.42 | Muffie | dondelelcaro: unfortunately Im not at home and debian is installed at my home computer... :( I know that running glxinfo with root account returns an error saying that it cant access X(0) or something like it |
| 12:33.55 | loxley_ | Muffie: because your user allready is running at the screen.. |
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| 12:34.00 | mansu | Paivakil: how do i check the battery status? i mean which program whould i use? |
| 12:34.09 | Mash | streuner: yesterday i do a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:34.15 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: wouldn't it be easier to assume default and see result than guess default? |
| 12:34.22 | lunitik | most users have no idea |
| 12:34.24 | Muffie | loxley_: That can be the reason because Direct Rendering is not enabled? |
| 12:34.35 | Mash | http://paste.debian.net/3509 <---- dondelelcaro |
| 12:34.37 | maxb | Is it really the case that 'wontfix'-ed bugs remain listed as "Outstanding Bugs" in the Debian BTS indefinitely? That seems a little strange to me. |
| 12:34.40 | streuner | Mash: you you upgraded from testing to unstable? |
| 12:35.39 | Zugschlus | maxb: they stay there until somebody closes them |
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| 12:36.27 | maxb | Does a wontfix-tagged bug ever get closed? The bugs.debian.org documentation seems to be implying 'no', but I might be misunderstanding |
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| 12:36.50 | Muffie | loxley_ and dondelelcarol, Actually my real problem is that Direct Rendering is returning NO, even with Xorg log showing this "(II) fglrx(0): Direct rendering enabled". I think that maybe this root trying to run glxinfo could indicate something... |
| 12:38.06 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: ? |
| 12:38.07 | concept10 | anyone here run Trac ?(version control and wiki) if so, what is best FastCGI or mod_python, I already use FastCGI for rails. |
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| 12:38.26 | AlexW | how do i get coloured bash... |
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| 12:38.44 | dondelelcaro | AlexW: if your terminal supports colors, bash will output them. |
| 12:38.47 | loxley_ | Muffie: dont know much about ATI drivers |
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| 12:38.56 | streuner | AlexW: look at the BASH-HOWTO tldp.org too |
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| 12:39.24 | Mash | streuner: I had upgraded my unstable system |
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| 12:39.33 | Muffie | loxley_: Im not sure if its related directly with ATI fglrx drivers... probably something about this permissions |
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| 12:40.09 | streuner | Mash: dist-upgrade is usually to upgrade from one version to another |
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| 12:40.29 | streuner | Mash: upgrade is enough (man apt-get) |
| 12:40.32 | Deviad | Can anyone tell me a way to install a package ignoring dependencies? |
| 12:40.35 | _rene_ | streuner: not necessarily. |
| 12:40.43 | Deviad | I tried apt-get --force install cinepaint |
| 12:40.45 | _rene_ | streuner: RTF apt-get. read about the difference |
| 12:40.48 | Deviad | but it doesn't work |
| 12:40.54 | Deviad | :\ |
| 12:41.00 | streuner | Mash: follow the advice of dondelelcaro and just disable INITRD |
| 12:41.01 | AlexW | putty does support colour |
| 12:41.08 | streuner | _rene_: i did :-) |
| 12:41.10 | _rene_ | Deviad: you don't. simple. |
| 12:41.20 | Deviad | apt-get -m install cinepaint doesn't work as well |
| 12:41.27 | Deviad | _rene_, but I need that package |
| 12:41.28 | Deviad | :| |
| 12:41.32 | _rene_ | then install it |
| 12:41.44 | AlexW | dondelelcaro: putty does support colours |
| 12:41.58 | _rene_ | or build it yourself. or search a backport. or whatever is appropriate |
| 12:42.00 | Deviad | how if it says that because the package requires a beta version of something when I have a more up to date one |
| 12:42.04 | Deviad | I can't? |
| 12:42.43 | Deviad | I read there's a way to trick apt |
| 12:42.50 | bbrazil | AlexW: ls -a --color=auto |
| 12:42.53 | _rene_ | there isn't. |
| 12:42.55 | Deviad | and let it think you have some packages of some versions |
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| 12:43.05 | _rene_ | equivs. but you don't want that |
| 12:43.05 | AlexW | dat works... |
| 12:43.09 | AlexW | that* |
| 12:43.12 | Deviad | it works on apt-rpm does it work on apt too? |
| 12:43.28 | _rene_ | Deviad: no. god damn it. it doesn't. |
| 12:43.35 | _rene_ | Deviad: it's completely nonsense |
| 12:43.37 | bbrazil | AlexW: then I suggest reading the bash-prompt howto |
| 12:43.48 | Deviad | it makes sense as people need packages |
| 12:43.55 | Deviad | expecially when compiling fails |
| 12:43.59 | Deviad | because it can't find gcc |
| 12:44.01 | _rene_ | Deviad: then install those damn packages |
| 12:44.01 | Deviad | shit |
| 12:44.06 | _rene_ | Deviad: then install gcc? |
| 12:44.06 | streuner | _rene_: so you recommend 'apt-get dist-upgrade' for users who run unstable as well? |
| 12:44.12 | _rene_ | streuner: of course |
| 12:44.14 | Deviad | it can't find gtk sorry |
| 12:44.17 | Deviad | but they are installed |
| 12:44.20 | _rene_ | then install gtk |
| 12:44.23 | _rene_ | so what? |
| 12:44.26 | finn23 | is it possible to install lilo instead of grub during the netinst ?? |
| 12:44.27 | Deviad | they are installed |
| 12:44.31 | _rene_ | of course you need also -dev |
| 12:44.31 | Deviad | I have got gnome too |
| 12:44.34 | finn23 | because grub seems to fail each time |
| 12:44.38 | _rene_ | doesn't say anything |
| 12:44.49 | finn23 | no matter what I try |
| 12:45.52 | Deviad | _rene_, my lord, gtk |
| 12:45.59 | nkuttler | Deviad: why don't you use the cinepaint that comes with debian? |
| 12:46.01 | Deviad | _rene_, my lord, libgtk2.0-dev is installed |
| 12:46.10 | Deviad | nkuttler, because it whines about dependencies? |
| 12:46.13 | _rene_ | then you do something wrong and you should give people the error |
| 12:46.22 | nkuttler | Deviad: which debian version are you running? |
| 12:46.26 | Deviad | etch |
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| 12:47.26 | _rene_ | Deviad: welcome in developer versions |
| 12:47.31 | nkuttler | Deviad: you should run stable |
| 12:48.06 | Deviad | nkuttler, it says it needs cinepaint-data (=0.19-1-2+b1) but 0.19-1-2 is going to be installed |
| 12:48.17 | Deviad | if you just told me how to trick apt I would fix this |
| 12:48.21 | _rene_ | haha. cinepaint is broken |
| 12:48.24 | k8to | sometimes if dependencies are a bit dumb you can help them |
| 12:48.25 | _rene_ | not bin-NMU safe |
| 12:48.30 | Deviad | like in gentoo you can use masks |
| 12:48.34 | botsy | with promail if i want to use maildir it's necessary i configure the main.cf file in /etc/postfix with for it accept maildir ? |
| 12:48.37 | Deviad | and on apt-rpm you can do it |
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| 12:48.46 | _rene_ | just rebuild it. install it's builddeps and rebuild it |
| 12:48.54 | k8to | Deviad: sometimes what that means is cinepaint came into testing but cinepaint-data got hung up in unstable |
| 12:48.55 | nkuttler | Deviad: maybe there is no 'trick'. sometimes testing is just broken |
| 12:49.07 | Deviad | ^^ |
| 12:49.11 | k8to | Deviad: so they're not a matched set |
| 12:49.18 | k8to | Deviad: if you just wait a few days it clears |
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| 12:49.25 | Deviad | and... since I can use checkinstall... how do I fix the gtk stuff? |
| 12:49.30 | Deviad | libgtk are installed |
| 12:49.36 | _rene_ | just install what is needed. |
| 12:49.45 | _rene_ | if you don't even give the exact error and what config.log etc says |
| 12:49.51 | _rene_ | no one can even remotely help you |
| 12:50.09 | _rene_ | or just get the debian source and rebuild it cleanly |
| 12:50.18 | _rene_ | without the bin-NMU version. should work too. |
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| 12:50.27 | Deviad | it says it can't find the gtk-config script |
| 12:50.32 | nkuttler | Deviad: man apt-get, search build-dep |
| 12:50.43 | _rene_ | Deviad: then install gtk. again |
| 12:50.51 | _rene_ | Deviad: this looks like Gtj *1* FWIW |
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| 12:51.27 | _rene_ | so just install that.... |
| 12:51.35 | k8to | if by checkconfig used to be unable to find configfiles in /usr/local |
| 12:51.47 | k8to | perhaps that's what you're hinting at? |
| 12:53.08 | Legostein | how can i request a new package in debian? |
| 12:53.12 | _rene_ | k8to: go away. you evidently are just guessing and are not in any way constructive to this problem |
| 12:53.19 | nkuttler | Legostein: what do you mean? |
| 12:53.20 | dondelelcaro | Legostein: file an RFP bug against wnpp using reportbug |
| 12:53.21 | _rene_ | Legostein: file a bug against wnpp. RFP |
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| 12:54.03 | k8to | _rene_: sometimes i find a guess demonstrates to the requester that not enough information is supplied, but feel free to be rude i'm sure that will fix it |
| 12:54.52 | _rene_ | k8to: well, the problem here is obvious and you are sooooooo far away |
| 12:55.14 | k8to | _rene_: fine, i was still reading the backscroll |
| 12:55.20 | Mash | hm streuner i believe there is a problem with the kernel version, because yaird say this, and if i use another version (2.6.14-ck7) there are no problems |
| 12:55.41 | streuner | oh |
| 12:56.04 | Mash | thats funny... |
| 12:56.21 | k8to | Deviad: it's possible to install ignoreing dependencies, but it will only bring you 15 times the pain you started with |
| 12:56.37 | streuner | Mash: did you look at BTS (yaird)? |
| 12:56.47 | Mash | streuner: yes |
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| 12:58.02 | streuner | Mash: what happens if you disable INITRD? |
| 12:58.06 | k8to | Deviad: there are debian methods for letting debian know that you've installed a package on your own, but i've always found them more trouble than they're worth |
| 12:58.43 | k8to | Deviad: mainly letting debian take over again later is _very_ ungraceful |
| 12:58.48 | dondelelcaro | k8to: that doesn't really have anything to do with his problem; his problem is that he doesn't have gtk-config, which is part of libgtk1.2-dev |
| 12:59.22 | k8to | if he built it himself he should have it |
| 12:59.38 | _rene_ | that's exactly what is he is just trying |
| 12:59.43 | _rene_ | building cinepaint |
| 12:59.54 | k8to | if he built gtk himself he would have it |
| 12:59.55 | _rene_ | but he does not belive anyone that he missed the gtk stuff |
| 13:00.01 | dondelelcaro | cinepaint doesn't have gtk-config. It requires gtk-config. |
| 13:00.03 | _rene_ | misses |
| 13:00.12 | k8to | i guess he is thinking gtk2 supplies gtk1 functionality |
| 13:00.43 | dondelelcaro | Deviad: just apt-get install cinepaint; and forgo compiling. You'll live longer. |
| 13:01.05 | k8to | dondelelcaro: fails with error |
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| 13:01.54 | _rene_ | dondelelcaro: cinepaint in testing is broken becuase it's not bin-NMU safe |
| 13:02.07 | dondelelcaro | eh? that cinepaint shouldn't have transitioned. |
| 13:02.09 | _rene_ | dondelelcaro: that's what started the whole discussion... |
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| 13:02.14 | _rene_ | dondelelcaro: yes, *should*... |
| 13:02.14 | dondelelcaro | !info cinepaint testing |
| 13:02.24 | _rene_ | or he is using unstable crap |
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| 13:02.32 | dondelelcaro | !+info cinepaint testing |
| 13:02.34 | dpkg | Package 'cinepaint' does not exist. |
| 13:02.49 | _rene_ | so he uses unstable crap. |
| 13:02.56 | k8to | woohoo |
| 13:02.58 | _rene_ | well, same problem then still |
| 13:03.07 | rvalles | fun, not crap. |
| 13:03.18 | nkuttler | according to pdo cinepaint is only in sarge and sid |
| 13:03.38 | _rene_ | rvalles: in this case it's crap because cinepaint is broken because the maintainer does = dependencies :) |
| 13:03.40 | dondelelcaro | so just apt-get builddep cinepaint; apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; apt-get source cinepaint; cd cinepaint-*; fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
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| 13:04.06 | k8to | that will work! |
| 13:04.10 | _rene_ | dondelelcaro: exactly. but if he doesn't want to install gtk because he thinks he already has it.... *shrugs* |
| 13:04.14 | streuner | nkuttler: if the package isn't in testing and he got an error with apt-get, there are not many possibilities left... |
| 13:04.19 | _rene_ | k8to: of course. I already said that three times |
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| 13:04.34 | dondelelcaro | Deviad: just execute that command. |
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| 13:04.40 | k8to | _rene_: yes i saw, it seemed that doing it wasn't reqally the problem |
| 13:04.52 | k8to | _rene_: but that he was stumbling around in confusion over issues |
| 13:05.20 | _rene_ | k8to: because he didn't even use his brain and installed gtk1? and/or looked where gtk-config is? |
| 13:05.36 | nkuttler | i guess that one can't get build-deps of a package that doesn't exist |
| 13:05.42 | k8to | _rene_: yes i'm sure that assuming stupidity is your default policy |
| 13:05.51 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:05.56 | nkuttler | oh, realy? |
| 13:06.12 | _rene_ | k8to: no, it's not. if it was I'd told him what to install exactly |
| 13:06.13 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: sure; you just get the package, and then parse the control file. |
| 13:06.15 | streuner | !info cinepaint unstable |
| 13:06.21 | dpkg | cinepaint: (motion picture image painting and retouching tool), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.19-1-2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 1060 kB, Installed size: 2648 kB |
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| 13:06.31 | Legostein | i got it, thx |
| 13:06.31 | _rene_ | k8to: since I'd know he's stupid. but as I thought he has a brain I just told him to install gtk |
| 13:06.49 | k8to | but now you know he doesn't :( |
| 13:06.52 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: sure |
| 13:06.57 | _rene_ | k8to: right |
| 13:07.06 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: or do like I do, and just run pdebuild. ;-) |
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| 13:07.11 | ivh | hi, how do I find out if exim4 uses the split config-files in conf.d/ or not ? |
| 13:07.12 | k8to | yes see that's where i think you presume a lot but whatever, it is the #debian way |
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| 13:07.46 | Zugschlus | ivh: /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf |
| 13:07.53 | Zugschlus | ivh: if that doesn't work, read the manual |
| 13:08.02 | nkuttler | i just run stable nowadays :) |
| 13:08.05 | Zugschlus | err, the path is /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 13:08.29 | k8to | i am attempting to use google to figure out what a binNMU is |
| 13:08.34 | ivh | Zugschlus: damn, I read that file, but overlokked that line :-) |
| 13:08.35 | k8to | i am not succeeding! |
| 13:08.36 | dondelelcaro | k8to: it's a binary only NMU. |
| 13:08.46 | Zugschlus | ivh: did you find it now? |
| 13:08.58 | streuner | !nmu |
| 13:08.58 | dpkg | i heard nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
| 13:09.07 | dondelelcaro | k8to: ie, a non-maintainer upload where only the architecture specific packages are rebuilt and uploaded; no change to the source package is made. |
| 13:09.22 | ivh | Zugschlus: yes, this file is used by the update-exim4.conf script to write the real config, right? |
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| 13:10.37 | k8to | dondelelcaro: the jargon is kind of thick, but that is not an easily expressed concept! |
| 13:10.48 | streuner | ok, what's a package called when a non-maintainer and NON-DD uploads a package? :-) |
| 13:11.12 | dondelelcaro | streuner: a package that the archive software rejects. |
| 13:11.21 | dondelelcaro | while laughing manically. |
| 13:11.41 | k8to | are sponsored packages uploaded by the sponser? |
| 13:11.44 | k8to | (o) |
| 13:11.46 | dondelelcaro | k8to: yese. |
| 13:11.56 | dondelelcaro | well, they are by any sane sponsorer. |
| 13:12.03 | k8to | fair enough |
| 13:12.26 | AlexW | how do i load mod_php4 |
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| 13:12.52 | dondelelcaro | AlexW: if you're using apache, it should have a2enmod php4; already for you. |
| 13:13.03 | dondelelcaro | s/a2enmod/apache enable/ |
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| 13:13.14 | dondelelcaro | s/apache/apacheconfig/ |
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| 13:15.18 | yogii | when using dpkg -- If i have given the command dpkg -r --pending, should it remove all packages marked for removal? and if yes, when i do a dpkg -l|grep packagename should it still show up with the "r" for removal flag? |
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| 13:16.15 | dondelelcaro | yogii: assuming the removal completed successfully, it should show up as uc or similar. |
| 13:16.22 | dondelelcaro | s/uc/rc/ |
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| 13:17.03 | dondelelcaro | (or un if it has no configuration files) |
| 13:17.18 | yogii | shows up as "rc" |
| 13:17.28 | yogii | but the package is still installed.. |
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| 13:17.42 | dondelelcaro | yogii: no, it has been removed, it just still has configuration files installed. |
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| 13:18.03 | yogii | I'm trying to uninstall php4 |
| 13:18.24 | yogii | should i still be able to use php4 -- even it was compiled as a module with apache2 ? even if i remove the package? |
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| 13:18.27 | dondelelcaro | yogii: php4 is just a metapackage that depends on parts of php4. |
| 13:18.42 | linar | i've got some weird networking problem |
| 13:18.54 | dondelelcaro | yogii: so unless you've removed libapache2-mod-php4 and php4-common, it will still keep working. |
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| 13:19.09 | yogii | ok, got it, thanks |
| 13:19.21 | yogii | dondel: if i remove libapache2-mod |
| 13:19.33 | linar | a laptop with 192.168.72.2 connected with cross-over to eth1 (2nd nic) with ip 192.168.72.2 yet no conneciton between these two |
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| 13:19.46 | yogii | I'd hgave to reconfigure apache2 to get php4 working with it again, right? or can ijust install php4 package? |
| 13:19.57 | linar | my bad, the laptop is with 0.3 |
| 13:20.11 | yogii | are you sure it's a crossover cable? :o |
| 13:20.18 | linar | lol yeah |
| 13:20.19 | dondelelcaro | yogii: just installing php4 should be enough; worst case you'd have to to a2enmod php4 or similiar. |
| 13:20.26 | nipra_ | Why does xchat get crashed as I click on browse button(for browsing sound files) in preferences option? |
| 13:20.26 | linar | i was trying with wireless and also a hub just to make sure |
| 13:20.34 | dondelelcaro | linar: uh... they better have different ips. |
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| 13:20.49 | dondelelcaro | linar: and it better be on the same subnet, like 72.3 or similar. |
| 13:21.07 | linar | im runing ethereal on eth1-192.168.72.2 and im seeing the ARP requests but it's not answering back |
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| 13:21.32 | linar | yeah my bad. linux laptop eth0=192.168.72.3 <-> linux desktop eth1=192.168.72.2 |
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| 13:21.47 | dondelelcaro | linar: do you get linkup? |
| 13:21.52 | linar | yep |
| 13:22.12 | linar | maybe firewalling? proxy_arp? |
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| 13:23.03 | linar | with ethereal runing on the linux desktop i'm seeing the ARP requests (who got 192.168.72.2? tell 192.168.72.3) |
| 13:23.46 | dondelelcaro | linar: and do you see those arp requests at 192.168.72.2? |
| 13:24.16 | linar | damn i dont got tcpdump installed there |
| 13:24.25 | linar | sorry |
| 13:24.35 | linar | yes i do see those ARP requests on 192.168.72.2 |
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| 13:24.56 | dondelelcaro | linar: but no ping requests make it back and forth? |
| 13:25.03 | linar | yeah |
| 13:25.13 | linar | could it be firewall/masquerade rules? |
| 13:25.17 | dondelelcaro | linar: do you see the ping requests on either end? |
| 13:25.29 | dondelelcaro | linar: could be; there are all sorts of fun ways to block ping requests. |
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| 13:26.09 | Joeboy | Hi. How do I make this not happen: |
| 13:26.09 | Joeboy | grep: /etc/cups/cupsd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 13:26.09 | Joeboy | Your /etc/cups/cupsd.conf appears to have been manually edited. cupsys.postinst won't touch it. |
| 13:26.15 | yogii | dondel: after i removed/reinstalled the php4 packages, apache wont recognize it. Do i just have to add the php4 module to the apachec onfig or something? |
| 13:26.21 | linar | well i tried flushing iptables, still no change |
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| 13:27.04 | dondelelcaro | yogii: are we talking about apache or rapache2 here? |
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| 13:27.19 | dondelelcaro | Joeboy: use --force-confmiss or similar. |
| 13:27.32 | yogii | apache2, sorry |
| 13:27.42 | dondelelcaro | yogii: a2enmod php4; then should enable php4. |
| 13:27.44 | linar | dondelelcaro, if i ping the 192.168.72.2 from inside a vmware machine on the same box it works just fine. so i dont think its blocking pings |
| 13:27.54 | linar | i think there's something else, more serious which is wrong with it |
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| 13:28.11 | peppet | linar, cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all |
| 13:28.23 | linar | 0 |
| 13:28.32 | yogii | oh wow |
| 13:28.36 | yogii | i never knew about a2enmod :o |
| 13:28.39 | yogii | i also added manually |
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| 13:29.13 | yogii | *always |
| 13:29.38 | Joeboy | dondelelcaro: How do I use that? Doesn't seem to be for apt-get |
| 13:29.43 | dondelelcaro | linar: hrm... well, generally it should just work.(tm) I'd consider changing cables, then possibly seeing if some other machine can actually connect. |
| 13:29.48 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 13:29.48 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 13:29.51 | dondelelcaro | Joeboy: ^^^ |
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| 13:30.53 | linar | ok |
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| 13:31.47 | Joeboy | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 13:32.16 | JediMaster | I've just done an apt-get upgrade and upgraded the kernel image/headers, rebooted and now I'm getting ACPI problems (crashes) every time it boots, any ideas? (Unable to handle kernel null pointer dereference at virtual address 000003e8 printing eip: ....... ) |
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| 13:32.48 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: try booting with noacpi. |
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| 13:33.05 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: and probably file a bug against whatever linux-image package you're actually using. |
| 13:33.22 | JediMaster | the server is remote, which is a pain in the neck, but fortunately I have several kernels and I dual boot two debian partitions (one for recovery) and have remote KVM access =) |
| 13:33.45 | dondelelcaro | yeah... that makes it fairly painless. |
| 13:33.47 | JediMaster | dondelelcaro: just noacpi in the command after the rest? |
| 13:33.52 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: right |
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| 13:34.25 | JediMaster | erm, ok, it ignored that |
| 13:34.31 | yogii | dondelelcaro:after adding the php4 module, i try to force a reload of apache2 but iget an error that it can't find the php4 shared object file |
| 13:34.36 | JediMaster | it booted and still gives me acpi errors |
| 13:34.45 | yogii | dpkg -l|grep php shows all the packages installed.. |
| 13:34.54 | JediMaster | same thing... then ACPI: Unable to start the ACPI Interpreter |
| 13:34.58 | dondelelcaro | yogii: do you have libapache2-mod-php4 installed? |
| 13:35.35 | tpr | any tools to check the condition of my raid array, i suspect the other disk might be failing...or tools for general disk checking? (reiserfs) |
| 13:35.35 | dondelelcaro | yogii: does /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so exist? |
| 13:35.44 | yogii | oops :o ty |
| 13:35.58 | dondelelcaro | tpr: smartctl will generally give you some idea. |
| 13:36.04 | JediMaster | hmm, never mind, the 2.4 kernel works for the moment, just need it running for a few hours then I can fix it properly |
| 13:36.04 | tpr | dondelelcaro: ok cheers |
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| 13:39.07 | yogii | dondel: last question .. I'm trying to get the GD library installed, will I have to actually manually install so that i can pass the --with-gd directive to the configuration script? I downloaded the php4-gd package and installed that |
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| 13:41.43 | raz0rsedge | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.51 | raz0rsedge | oops |
| 13:42.19 | raz0rsedge | ;) |
| 13:42.23 | bibe | raz0rsedge : I did it with /msg nickserv identify ... ;) |
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| 13:42.59 | LiGhTeNiN | Can someone help me get rid of the grub 'error 21'? |
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| 13:43.56 | LiGhTeNiN | Something has to be changed under BIOS |
| 13:43.58 | LiGhTeNiN | I think |
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| 13:44.50 | ootput | hi guys, does anybody know if it's advisable (in a 3 partition raid1 setup) to create the mirror the /boot partition? |
| 13:45.04 | LiGhTeNiN | hm well but with what should I start with when I have installed debian base system |
| 13:45.05 | ootput | -create the |
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| 13:45.39 | korhojoa | ootput: i don't think that it's a bad idea |
| 13:45.54 | GloX_ | how can I find the package that contains apxs (apache2), doesn't seem to be in the page package .. I'm trying to compile mod_bwshare |
| 13:46.03 | GloX_ | base package* |
| 13:46.09 | bbrazil | GloX_: apt-file |
| 13:46.15 | GloX_ | thanks |
| 13:46.18 | ootput | korhojoa: will grub/lilo know where to look? |
| 13:46.34 | korhojoa | hardware / software raid? |
| 13:46.43 | ootput | software |
| 13:46.48 | korhojoa | uh, then i have no idea |
| 13:46.59 | jm_ | install boot loader on both |
| 13:47.10 | ootput | unless sil3112 can be used in a hardware raid array |
| 13:47.22 | fireba11 | ootput: not really ^^ |
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| 13:47.28 | ootput | :( |
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| 13:48.07 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: you have installed base system and installed grub where? |
| 13:48.14 | ootput | i remember seeing a document a while ago that suggested keeping /boot and swapspace non-mirrored |
| 13:48.23 | ootput | and only mirroring the root partition |
| 13:48.32 | kneet | kernel-patch-evms in sid - lists KVERSIONS of 2.6.11 2.6.10 2.6.9 2.6.8.1 2.6.8 2.6.5 2.6.6 - not 2.6.14 - is the patch just not available yet for 2.6.14 or is it no longer required? |
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| 13:49.04 | kneet | More specifically the bd-claim patch |
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| 13:50.51 | dondelelcaro | !+info lha |
| 13:50.53 | dpkg | lha: (lzh archiver), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1.14i-10 (sid), Packaged size: 56 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 13:50.57 | dondelelcaro | raz0rsedge: ^^^ |
| 13:51.12 | raz0rsedge | thx |
| 13:51.16 | Seicherl | Hi! anybody experienced with greping a partition directly (/dev/hda6 ) |
| 13:51.31 | finn23 | hah |
| 13:51.36 | finn23 | sounds exciting :) |
| 13:51.49 | ootput | ah well, i'll keep /boot unmirrored, and 2 different swps on either disk |
| 13:52.38 | Seicherl | can i grep a partition for some binary (or hex) code? |
| 13:52.57 | dondelelcaro | Seicherl: sure. |
| 13:52.58 | ootput | has anyone any experience with debootstrap for installation on raid arrays? |
| 13:53.03 | peppet | Seicherl, sure |
| 13:53.08 | dondelelcaro | ootput: yes... |
| 13:53.10 | Seicherl | how would i do that? |
| 13:53.15 | dondelelcaro | ootput: just ask your question. |
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| 13:53.49 | Seicherl | like grep -b "34AF6E0" /dev/hda6 or what? |
| 13:54.11 | ootput | dondelelcaro: i just wanted to see what their experiences were. I haven't tried it myself |
| 13:54.18 | dondelelcaro | Seicherl: no, you'll have to pack the hex. |
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| 13:54.38 | Seicherl | like how? |
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| 13:55.40 | Seicherl | how can i "pack" the hex? |
| 13:55.44 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: grub is in mbr |
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| 13:56.50 | Seicherl | the thing is that the ascii-signs are too freaky for the console |
| 13:57.01 | dondelelcaro | Seicherl: like grep -b $(perl -e 'print pack(q(H*),q(3e3e))'); or similar. |
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| 13:57.29 | Seicherl | dondelelcaro: OMG! so where should i fill in the hex-code? |
| 13:57.40 | dondelelcaro | 3e3e is hex for >> |
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| 13:57.54 | Seicherl | and that should work? |
| 13:57.58 | spotted | Hello |
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| 13:58.01 | dondelelcaro | you could also use echo and octal... |
| 13:58.06 | spotted | I'm trying to create a package wit checkinstall |
| 13:58.14 | spotted | but it gives me segmentation fault |
| 13:58.15 | Seicherl | ok, hold on, i'll give it a try |
| 13:58.33 | dondelelcaro | ugh. don't use checkinstall. |
| 13:58.39 | spotted | make[3]: *** [install-library_includeHEADERS] Error 139 |
| 13:58.44 | dondelelcaro | spotted: what are you actually trying to install? |
| 13:58.50 | spotted | cinepaint |
| 13:58.56 | spotted | it installs fine without checkinstall |
| 13:58.59 | spotted | but I wanna make a package |
| 13:59.10 | spotted | so that I don't need to store the directory |
| 13:59.13 | SR|Ada | silly question, but will HP SmartStart 7.x work with the Compaq ProLiant 6500 Xeon? |
| 13:59.13 | spotted | but just a simple bin |
| 13:59.20 | raz0rsedge | why gives <kernelversion> only two numbers (2.6) instead of showing full version info? |
| 13:59.21 | dondelelcaro | spotted: why are you building cinepaint instead of using the Debian package? |
| 13:59.32 | spotted | because I have etch and the etch version is broken |
| 13:59.39 | spotted | so I donwloaded all the needed stuff |
| 13:59.40 | dondelelcaro | spotted: there is no version in etch. |
| 13:59.42 | spotted | and I compiled it |
| 13:59.45 | spotted | yes there is |
| 13:59.50 | dondelelcaro | !+info cinepaint |
| 13:59.52 | dpkg | cinepaint: (motion picture image painting and retouching tool), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.19-1-2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 1060 kB, Installed size: 2648 kB |
| 13:59.52 | spotted | but it's broken |
| 13:59.53 | dondelelcaro | !+info cinepaint etch |
| 13:59.55 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 13:59.59 | dpkg | Package 'cinepaint' does not exist. |
| 14:00.03 | tpr | arf what does inconsistant metadata mean with lvscan? :D |
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| 14:00.20 | spotted | dondelelcaro, ok, now that we now this, how do I fix my problem? |
| 14:00.20 | bibe | hi all. It seems that gaim-encryption uses "a private/public key system based on Mozilla's NSS". Is there a way to use GPG over a Jabber account with Gaim? |
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| 14:00.41 | spotted | cinepaint is up and working, I just wanna build a package |
| 14:00.44 | dondelelcaro | spotted: in any case, get the package from unstable, install the builddeps for the package (see debian/control) fakeroot, build-essential, and cd cinepaint-*; fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
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| 14:01.13 | spotted | dondelelcaro, I have already installed cinepaint... |
| 14:01.23 | spotted | I have to build the binary for the future |
| 14:01.30 | spotted | as I don't wanna lose all this time everytime |
| 14:01.33 | dondelelcaro | spotted: uh... what you're going to do is build the new package. |
| 14:01.37 | raz0rsedge | !+info infobash |
| 14:01.39 | dpkg | Package 'infobash' does not exist. |
| 14:01.54 | pabs3 | what might the 3 bits at the end of a package called kernel-image-2.4.29-lit-p4-mppe mean? |
| 14:01.57 | spotted | but I have already got the source up and running |
| 14:01.57 | dondelelcaro | spotted: and in the future, cinepaint will have transitioned to etch, and you wont have to do that either. |
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| 14:02.09 | spotted | dondelelcaro, are you being funny? |
| 14:02.16 | dondelelcaro | spotted: no. |
| 14:02.27 | bibe | spotted : try /msg dpkg simple sid backport... it's about sarge, but use it with etch and you'll have a .deb bunary package. Or, use checkinstall |
| 14:02.28 | Seicherl | dondelelcaro: didnt look that bad as an echo. lets see if i can recover my pics with that hack |
| 14:02.30 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: so can you help |
| 14:02.33 | dondelelcaro | why would I be funny? I just uploaded an NMU to fix that problem. |
| 14:02.47 | spotted | ah OK |
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| 14:04.21 | bizkit | Seicherl: if you get it working, tell me. sounds interesting, what about your situation and filesystem? |
| 14:04.34 | dondelelcaro | spotted: for the time being, that's what you need to do to fix the issue; just build the package like I indicated. |
| 14:04.54 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: dcc chat fails |
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| 14:05.04 | dondelelcaro | spotted: using a source install will just cause all sorts of unwanted problems when you want to remove cinepaint or upgrade it. |
| 14:05.15 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: you have installed base system and installed grub where? |
| 14:05.20 | Seicherl | bizkit: i deleted my photographs on an etx3, recover didn't work as it should with ext2. now i grep the hda to get some offsets, then dd for recovering the files |
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| 14:05.42 | hithere | can you tell me how to reload changes that i have just made in /etc/hosts |
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| 14:05.51 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: base system is on hdb second partition, grub is on MBR |
| 14:05.55 | pabs3 | Seicherl: http://turingmachine.org/~dmg/recoverPhotos/ |
| 14:05.57 | blondie | hithere: reload them into what? |
| 14:06.04 | Seicherl | when i grep my hda and get a couple of offsets, do those offsets tell me, where the pattern was found or where the file starts? |
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| 14:06.28 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: and then you rebooted? |
| 14:06.59 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: correct, and I get grub error 21 |
| 14:07.18 | Seicherl | pabs: thanks for that, i'm right now not sure if this would help and i also think this tool does the same as i do right now. |
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| 14:07.36 | hithere | save changes |
| 14:07.51 | hithere | apart from saving the file |
| 14:07.53 | bizkit | Seicherl: i think it's even more complicated on journaling filesystems.. whatever, i never tried that |
| 14:08.21 | Seicherl | bizkit: me neither. till i pushed the buttons and deleted the golden gate bridge and a lot more |
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| 14:08.28 | clcl | hello |
| 14:08.29 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: but you can use the grub shell? |
| 14:08.41 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: No |
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| 14:08.52 | Seicherl | ok, i gotta go. i'll come back and tell you what i found ;) |
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| 14:09.03 | bizkit | Seicherl: thanks :-) |
| 14:09.13 | clcl | why if I've a Sources.gz on the root of a CD and I do an apt-cdrom add it doesn't adds the deb-src line? |
| 14:09.44 | streuner | clcl: what does man apt-cdrom say? |
| 14:09.55 | clcl | streuner: nothing about that |
| 14:10.30 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: so on hda is windoofs? |
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| 14:10.47 | spotted | what programs can be considered as alternatives to checkinstall? |
| 14:10.57 | clcl | streuner: I've as well a Packages.gz in the same places and it works..but not the Sources.gz |
| 14:11.37 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: try c for grub-shell |
| 14:11.40 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: Yes, hda=1.st partition Windows, hdb= 1.st partition ntfs filesystem. 2.nd partition linux root. 3rd partition linux swap |
| 14:11.46 | jjazz_ | Is there a way to tell my xserver to reload xorg.conf? Or do I have to restart it? Thanks. |
| 14:11.57 | jm_ | jjazz: why do you want to reload it? |
| 14:12.01 | streuner | clcl: copy those files to HD and make your own respo |
| 14:12.07 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: And what next |
| 14:12.07 | jjazz_ | jm_, because I want to enable merged frame buffers |
| 14:12.25 | jm_ | jjazz_: then you'll have to restart it |
| 14:12.31 | jjazz_ | jm_, When I take this box away from the docking station, I only have one screen. When I return to the office, I have two. It's a pain to restart each time. |
| 14:12.47 | spotted | !-info kismet |
| 14:12.50 | jjazz_ | jm_, thanks. |
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| 14:13.03 | AlexW | !-info kismet |
| 14:13.06 | spotted | !+-info kismet |
| 14:13.10 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: after coosing linux from boot menu you get this error 21 or allways? |
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| 14:13.23 | clcl | streuner: I'm bulding that CD so I whish that apt-cdrom works:) where I can find doc about this? |
| 14:13.45 | spotted | !+-info kismet |
| 14:14.10 | streuner | !own repo |
| 14:14.10 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./"; |
| 14:15.33 | streuner | spotted: s/!+-info kismet/!+info kismet/ |
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| 14:16.55 | dondelelcaro | spotted: there really isn't any; you should really be making real live debian packages instead of using things like checkinstall. |
| 14:17.27 | dondelelcaro | spotted: you've got a very powerfull packaging system at your disposal; use it instead of a less powerful hack for less powerful distributions. |
| 14:17.36 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: I dont get to choose anything |
| 14:17.52 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: I'll be right back |
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| 14:19.14 | pabs3 | does anyone know if there are apache modules to detect common worms and report the attacks to ISPs? |
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| 14:22.58 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: OK i'm back |
| 14:22.58 | clcl | streuner: isn't that I'm searching:) |
| 14:22.58 | dondelelcaro | pabs3: there were a few a long time ago; in general though, automated reporting is just a waste of time. |
| 14:23.22 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: Grub error 21 : Selected disk does not exist! This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full file name refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not recognized by the BIOS in the system... |
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| 14:24.23 | streuner | clcl: why do you haven't any i-net access on that box? |
| 14:24.25 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: I already know that but what can I do |
| 14:24.46 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: enter CMOS Setup, set Primary Master to Type: User, Mode: LBA and try setting slave to auto/auto |
| 14:25.36 | raz0rsedge | grub can't find your linux partition because BIOS isn't telling there is one... |
| 14:25.54 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: okay, thanks, I'll try it |
| 14:26.06 | Daedric | some bios WONT boot from a partion behond cil 1024 |
| 14:26.10 | Daedric | be advised |
| 14:26.20 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: but if it wont work I got to do fixmbr command under windows recovery console and then grub will be gone |
| 14:26.50 | spotted | Can anyone make a bugreport on checkinstall? |
| 14:26.53 | raz0rsedge | you can install grub from cd |
| 14:26.59 | spotted | Checkinstall 1.5.x is buggy |
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| 14:27.05 | spotted | it produces segfaults |
| 14:27.14 | spotted | you must use checkinstal 1.6.0 |
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| 14:27.23 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: Yes, I tried yesterday but I dont have much skills |
| 14:27.29 | spotted | I dunno how to make bug reports |
| 14:27.35 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: http://kanotix.com/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=2 |
| 14:27.44 | spotted | I made the package cinepaint too |
| 14:28.24 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: thanks |
| 14:28.29 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: you can use grub-shell to find what ya need: find /boot/vmlinuz |
| 14:28.58 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: then you can install it over... |
| 14:29.10 | LiGhTeNiN | oh |
| 14:29.15 | SimonRaven | !tell spotted -about reportbug |
| 14:29.50 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: in grub-shell: command: geometry shows drives and partitions |
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| 14:30.03 | tpr | how do I test an ide HD for errors? |
| 14:30.07 | tpr | or scan for errors |
| 14:30.16 | jm_ | tpr: badblocks |
| 14:30.27 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: I just hope I can get to the shell at all, 'C' it is? |
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| 14:31.02 | Seicherl | I just wanted to check the process-status by sending a USR1 signal to a grep-process and it stopped. thats no good, is it? |
| 14:31.04 | tpr | jm_: couild there be something else wrong in a disk than just badblocks, and is this safe to run on a disk in a raid array? |
| 14:31.21 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: I'll go try now |
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| 14:31.31 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: okay. |
| 14:31.49 | clcl | streuner: no it's a CD for a school with some sources so I want to let them do apt-cdrom add mycd and then apt-get source something directly from CD , there wasn't the sources cd for debian once upon a time? |
| 14:31.51 | jm_ | tpr: yes, there can be other problems too, but badblocks will report them - it's safe to run it on RAID device in read-only mode |
| 14:32.15 | tpr | jm_: okey great, thanks |
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| 14:34.42 | DaRuDe | hello |
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| 14:37.45 | Seicherl | Ok, i need a little grep-support |
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| 14:38.20 | botsy | anybody know if they are an option for vsftpd.conf where it's possible to specify an path directory where they are a file with a username and a directory for his home ... if you prefer i want to modify my site by ftp but if i want to create an acces by ftp on this directory, it's necessary i create a new user whose his home are /var/www ... or i modify a exist user home in the /etc/passwd ... |
| 14:38.22 | Seicherl | i need to grep for a hex-code with 2 bytes in the middle that might change. |
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| 14:38.34 | botsy | but i think they are an option for vsftpd.conf |
| 14:39.21 | colk_ | will debians package of spamassassin support mysql for the bayes store |
| 14:39.47 | dondelelcaro | colk_: why you'd want to do that, I don't know, but since it's perl, you should be able to. |
| 14:39.49 | jm_ | botsy: read through /usr/share/doc/vsftpd |
| 14:40.02 | botsy | jm_ i have read it ... |
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| 14:40.21 | colk_ | because file access starts crashing spamd when your bayes db gets to 7 megs |
| 14:40.24 | Witigonen | How can I get my server name to match my certificate name? |
| 14:40.37 | fireba11 | botsy: also you could just symlink /var/www to /home/user/www or soemthign and make sure he got rw access |
| 14:40.42 | Seicherl | can i do something like this: grep -b $(perl -e 'print pack(q(H*),q(<somehex>))')*$(perl -e 'print pack(q(H*),q(<somehex>))') |
| 14:41.08 | botsy | fireba11, i has think about this solution but it's not a good idea ... |
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| 14:41.17 | fireba11 | botsy: why not ? |
| 14:41.41 | botsy | because i have make a rewrite patch for apache ... |
| 14:41.50 | jm_ | botsy: then you know it uses PAM |
| 14:41.56 | stew | colk_: the debian spamassassin package supports mysql |
| 14:41.58 | fireba11 | and ? |
| 14:42.13 | jm_ | botsy: wait, don't think that will help, it's for authentication only |
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| 14:42.44 | fireba11 | botsy: what does apache rewirte have to do with a symlink to the files ?? |
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| 14:44.04 | vedranell | hello |
| 14:44.33 | stew | Seicherl: cant you just do somehting like "hexdump somefile | grep somepattern" |
| 14:44.39 | botsy | fireba11, because if you prefer with this patch it's absolutly necessary i'm connect with root ... |
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| 14:45.00 | Seicherl | stew: i'm greping my hda6, i was told to use grep |
| 14:45.00 | botsy | root user group whose i has create before ... |
| 14:46.05 | fireba11 | botsy: : i still don't see the problem .. also what sort of patch is that ?running apache as root is not a good idea .. and there is a mod_rewrite if that is what you need |
| 14:46.13 | stew | Seicherl: then shouldn't something like "grep -b \013\072\029 /dev/hda6" work? |
| 14:46.23 | stew | Seicherl: where those are octal characters |
| 14:46.34 | Seicherl | well, i'd need hex anyway |
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| 14:47.26 | Seicherl | stew: do you know if the offsets i get when greping my hda stand for the beginning of the searchpattern or of the whole file? |
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| 14:48.42 | stew | Seicherl: i think the begginging of the line containing the search pattern, but i'm not positive |
| 14:48.44 | fireba11 | Seicherl: i can't help but start wondering what you are trying to do with that ^^ |
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| 14:49.16 | Seicherl | fireball: recovering pictures from an ext3 |
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| 14:49.31 | fireba11 | Seicherl: HD died ? |
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| 14:49.36 | gniretar_work | !wave |
| 14:49.42 | gniretar_work | !wave everyone |
| 14:49.44 | gniretar_work | hi all |
| 14:49.47 | Seicherl | fireball: no, pushed the wrong button |
| 14:49.53 | plb | hey guys...anyone wanna help me out...I'm trying to understand this question for school that deals with outsourcing networks/network administration....I'm not looking for an answer..just trying to understand the question |
| 14:50.21 | fireba11 | Seicherl: dang .. there are recovery tools for stuff like that .. |
| 14:50.32 | fireba11 | Seicherl: don't know one for ext3 though |
| 14:50.39 | Seicherl | fireball: i tried, but they only work for ext2, not for my ext3 |
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| 14:51.18 | stew | fireba11: there are not recovery tools for ext3 |
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| 14:51.42 | stew | fireba11: well there are not undelete tools for ext3 at least, only for ext2 |
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| 14:52.30 | spotted | Good... I guess I won't change to another OS :) |
| 14:52.34 | fireba11 | stew: hm .. no good .. was able to restore 95% of a NTFS partition where the partition table contained bad clusters once .. i think there should be a tool with ext3 support .. might be commercial though |
| 14:52.41 | dorn | hello |
| 14:52.43 | spotted | Debian works great, I'm sad to admit it :D |
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| 14:53.15 | fireba11 | plb go ahead |
| 14:53.30 | Seicherl | anybody experienced with greping a partition directly? |
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| 14:53.36 | stew | fireba11: yes, but he isn't have a problem with bad clusters |
| 14:53.36 | dorn | I have managed to use apt-get to fudge up my system a bit and am wondering if there is anyone around that might be willing to offer some clues? :) |
| 14:53.46 | vedranell | why the first point of GPL freedoms is called "freedom 0"?? So why it is not freedom 1? |
| 14:53.50 | stew | Seicherl: try opening it a hex editor maybe? |
| 14:53.56 | spotted | fireba11, how can I place a bugreport sending an e-mail on a thirdparty smtp server? |
| 14:53.59 | donm | i am looking for step by step how to guide for creating deb packages from sh file (driver package from ati.com) |
| 14:54.09 | spotted | I dunno how to feed the username and password |
| 14:54.13 | Seicherl | stew: i have to know what those offsets exactly mean |
| 14:54.16 | stew | !info ncurses-hexedit |
| 14:54.21 | dpkg | ncurses-hexedit: (Edit files/disks in hex, ASCII and EBCDIC), section editors, is optional. Version: 0.9.7-11 (sid), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 121 kB |
| 14:54.28 | spotted | the password* |
| 14:54.36 | stew | Seicherl: with grep -b they mean the offset to the beginning of a line that contained the search pattern |
| 14:55.02 | Seicherl | stew: so i still don't know how long a file is and where it exactly starts |
| 14:55.07 | zayfod | hello, I have a strange problem with hte time on my machine, the time sweeps 2 times as fast as it should be!! |
| 14:55.21 | fireba11 | spotted: er .. what ? |
| 14:55.29 | zayfod | does anyone know how to fix that?? |
| 14:55.30 | possie | i have something *really* strange, when i put my keyboard in the keyboard plug from my mainboard, and the mouse in my mouse port, everything does _not_ work, while if i swap the two, so keyboard in mouse port and mouse in keyboard port everything works |
| 14:55.58 | Seicherl | possie: who cares as long as it works? |
| 14:56.23 | KerPlunk | excellent point Seicherl |
| 14:56.29 | fireba11 | possie: also i found boards where those two ports are swapped from their normal positions .. ^^ |
| 14:56.29 | Seicherl | ;) |
| 14:56.49 | possie | Seicherl, partially true, a) it's really strange and b) in the BIOS thing work only correctly when i put keyboard in keyboard, en mouse in mouse, and its anoying swapping them |
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| 14:57.01 | possie | fireba11, :-) |
| 14:57.06 | stew | Seicherl: have you looked up jpeg in the magic.mime file to see if you can use that to determine the beginning of a jpeg? |
| 14:57.13 | fireba11 | possie: sounds like a broken bios then :-D |
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| 14:57.14 | possie | fireba11, did you figure out why it was? |
| 14:57.16 | Seicherl | possie: ok, i can understand that. thats really strange |
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| 14:57.43 | Seicherl | stew: i looked at some on my MS machine to check the beginning. |
| 14:57.44 | fireba11 | possie: the manufaturer just thought it was a good idea to swap those two arround for some reason .. it was meant to be that way |
| 14:58.07 | zayfod | anyone know how to slow down the clock on a machine?? |
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| 14:58.24 | blondie | install a flux capicator in series |
| 14:58.25 | possie | Seicherl, i'm wondering which part of the linux code decides the swap perhaps, cause int he bios it seems to work correctly |
| 14:58.33 | blondie | zayfod: why do you want to slow it down? |
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| 14:58.40 | zayfod | time is twice as fast as it should be and videos are accelerated |
| 14:58.46 | Seicherl | possie: i'm sorry i got no clue at all. |
| 14:58.55 | blondie | zayfod: er |
| 14:58.57 | zayfod | so are games (ut2004) |
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| 14:59.49 | zayfod | but using xmms for audio play's fine... |
| 15:00.15 | zayfod | so at every boot I get fs checks and co |
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| 15:00.31 | cyprinus | why i cant run alsaconf but i installed alsa |
| 15:00.40 | cyprinus | i've got etch |
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| 15:01.02 | stew | cyprinus: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 15:01.04 | spotted | I'm trying to start vim-gtk and vim-gnome but I always get vim in text mode. |
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| 15:01.44 | stew | spotted: how are you trying to start it? |
| 15:01.48 | Tarantulafudge | What program would best fit my needs as a bandwidth monitor (all traffic in/out of the interface)? |
| 15:01.49 | donm | ok another thing... TV Tuner Software ... |
| 15:01.56 | stew | Tarantulafudge: tried iptraf? |
| 15:01.58 | spotted | stew, I type vim.gtk, or vim.gnome |
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| 15:02.12 | spotted | accordingly to what I wanna start |
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| 15:02.23 | gniretar_work | Tarantulatudge: perhaps cacti? |
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| 15:02.47 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: none of that stuff worked |
| 15:02.48 | stew | spotted: what pacakge provides vim.gtk? |
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| 15:03.17 | donm | i really want to use my tuner .... and I need a tip... |
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| 15:03.38 | spotted | stew, it should be the gtk version of vim |
| 15:03.43 | Deep6 | can anyone tell me how to use find to find files that were created before Jan 2005? |
| 15:03.47 | spotted | and gnome a gtk version of vim improved for gnome |
| 15:03.52 | spotted | that's all |
| 15:04.03 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: tho by changing the cmos settings I managed to get to 'error 17' and 'C' wont do a shit, just a dead end there |
| 15:04.05 | zayfod | deep6: only before 2006? |
| 15:04.08 | spotted | so I don't understand why they all work in text mode instead of in gtk mode |
| 15:04.14 | stew | spotted: install vim-gtk and run gvim |
| 15:04.21 | Deep6 | zayfod, before Jan 1 2005 |
| 15:04.24 | Deep6 | not 06 |
| 15:04.29 | stew | spotted: i don't find any debian pacakges providing a vim.gtk command |
| 15:04.31 | zayfod | deep6: or because you can't locate them? |
| 15:04.56 | spotted | stew, I have those stuff in /usr/bin |
| 15:04.59 | spotted | O_o |
| 15:05.03 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: then boot from a live cd and try to reinstall grub from there... |
| 15:05.08 | spotted | that stuff* |
| 15:05.10 | Deep6 | zayfod, I need to archive |
| 15:05.20 | spotted | Anyways etch > ubuntu |
| 15:05.33 | spotted | it's way faster |
| 15:05.34 | stew | spotted: what package does "dpkg -S usr/bin/vim.gtk" return? |
| 15:05.41 | madclicker | kde 3.4.3 for etch .......when? |
| 15:05.51 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: error 17 was still with grub but i did fixmbr to get under win so no grub anymore, debian aint got a live cd |
| 15:06.01 | spotted | vim-gtk |
| 15:06.05 | donm | sorry for the lame questions but i am lamer anyway |
| 15:06.05 | spotted | that's all it says |
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| 15:06.19 | fireba11 | LiGhTeNiN: then use a debian-based live cd like knoppix |
| 15:06.23 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: you have kanotix or sumthin? |
| 15:06.27 | zayfod | use "find" but I can't remember the options for dates... |
| 15:06.29 | _rene_ | madclicker: when it's ready. but rsn now... |
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| 15:06.37 | stew | spotted: wierd, what version of debian / vim-gtk? |
| 15:06.42 | tarzeau | someone's got vmware 5.5 debian packages for sarge? |
| 15:06.47 | _rene_ | s/now// |
| 15:06.48 | madclicker | _rene_, rsn/ |
| 15:06.51 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: nope |
| 15:07.01 | LiGhTeNiN | I do have a kubuntu live-cd |
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| 15:07.09 | spotted | 6.4.6 |
| 15:07.10 | LiGhTeNiN | but I cant acces net from there |
| 15:07.12 | _rene_ | madclicker: real soon now (i.e. in the next days) |
| 15:07.16 | tarzeau | !vmware |
| 15:07.16 | dpkg | vmware is probably for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README, or #vmware, or vmware 5.0 supports 2.6 kernels happily, or offtopic for #debian, being as it is proprietary. You paid for it; get support from the vendor. You DID pay for it, right? |
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| 15:07.40 | stew | madclicker: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdelibs |
| 15:07.40 | dorn | what package name for dselect does glibc live in? |
| 15:07.41 | spotted | isn't it better using windows into a partition instead of vmware? |
| 15:07.44 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: no problem ... mount your drives from shell and install grub |
| 15:07.49 | stew | dorn: libc6 |
| 15:07.52 | tarzeau | dorn: libc6 |
| 15:07.56 | dorn | thanks |
| 15:07.59 | spotted | I guess for office and games cedega and crossoveroffice are fine |
| 15:08.08 | madclicker | _rene_, sweet ; thks, need the ful experience -_- |
| 15:08.17 | tarzeau | spotted: are you talking to me? |
| 15:08.28 | tarzeau | spotted: there's more software than just bad office products that need windows |
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| 15:08.33 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: I'm going to need specific commands then, can't do it myself |
| 15:08.42 | tarzeau | spotted: and we don't run games here. |
| 15:08.50 | zayfod | but no-one could tell me how to set correct speed for system time?? |
| 15:08.51 | Kluster_v2 | Just visited the familly for the holidays, my dad had the coolest napkins, take a look: dlacroix.com/temp/xmas.jpg |
| 15:08.57 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: grub-install --recheck --no-floppy --root-directory=/media/hdbx /dev/hda |
| 15:09.01 | spotted | tarzeau, like photoshop, dreamweaver... |
| 15:09.05 | spotted | or what? |
| 15:09.14 | raz0rsedge | were hdbx is your linux part. |
| 15:09.20 | abrotman | spotted: Gimp |
| 15:09.22 | tarzeau | spotted: no more like software that comes with hardware that's way more expensive than what we both earn in a year |
| 15:09.29 | abrotman | spotted: bluefish/nvu |
| 15:09.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: hahahah gimp! TEH SHIT |
| 15:09.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: you don't like it ? |
| 15:09.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: come on |
| 15:09.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: you hate the gimp? you cannot grok the gimp? |
| 15:10.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can, but it's horrible |
| 15:10.10 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: you can also make a boot disk... watch grub-faq |
| 15:10.12 | gniretar_work | gimp is great |
| 15:10.16 | tarzeau | Kluster_v2: debian napkins, heh |
| 15:10.22 | tarzeau | gniretar_work: really, it's not |
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| 15:10.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: and what else is there? |
| 15:10.33 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-faq.de.html |
| 15:10.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: i think you just can't figure out the gimp |
| 15:10.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: which is also free? nothing |
| 15:10.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: don't worry, i can |
| 15:10.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't think you can |
| 15:10.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: you probably don't like inkscape either |
| 15:10.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: go grok this first: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian.jpg |
| 15:11.10 | tarzeau | sorry abrotman: go grok this first: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian.png |
| 15:11.12 | gniretar_work | tarzeau: how can you say what? |
| 15:11.13 | hkais | hi and a happy new year |
| 15:11.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: 404 |
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| 15:11.27 | tarzeau | gniretar_work: because i've seen better software than the gimp |
| 15:11.52 | dorn | my trouble seems to stem from: "PAM [dlerror: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /lib/security/pam_unix.so)]" any hints on where to look? |
| 15:11.52 | abrotman | this from the guy that says GNUstep is the best thing ever :) |
| 15:11.54 | spotted | I found hard editing into gimp the first times when I didn't have a clear idea about how bitmap editing worked... |
| 15:11.56 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: most things ya have to do on your own, my postfix/clamav/amavis settings took 2 weeks till they run fine.... ;) |
| 15:12.02 | spotted | next I found it quite easy... |
| 15:12.10 | abrotman | spotted: it takes a while .. but you get used to it .. same thing with blender |
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| 15:12.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: still 404 |
| 15:12.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: really the .png works for me |
| 15:12.49 | spotted | abrotman, hehe, I tryed to use it a couple of weeks ago but I gave up cos I don't have much time now... it's test time. |
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| 15:12.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: and what damn link did you givem e ? |
| 15:13.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian.png |
| 15:13.07 | abrotman | spotted: tried blender |
| 15:13.08 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:13.10 | raz0rsedge | LiGhTeNiN: okay i hope it helps a bit, i'm also new to linux... had to go now. |
| 15:13.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: that is NOT what you gave me |
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| 15:13.27 | abrotman | <tarzeau> abrotman: go grok this first: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian.jpg |
| 15:13.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: i gave it two lines later |
| 15:13.28 | spotted | yeah, I tried to use blender* |
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| 15:13.37 | tarzeau | spotted: it's easy |
| 15:13.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: you confusing turk! |
| 15:13.50 | LiGhTeNiN | raz0rsedge: ok cya |
| 15:13.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm not turk anymore. soon. RSN! |
| 15:13.53 | abrotman | spotted: it has a learning curve |
| 15:13.57 | tarzeau | WIR! |
| 15:13.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: soon you are DD ? |
| 15:14.02 | hkais | anyone here who uses viewcvs with tar balls? |
| 15:14.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: what country is .DD? |
| 15:14.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: no .ch |
| 15:14.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can sell you my .tr passport though |
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| 15:14.34 | Seicherl | when i grep a partition and get the offsets, how the hell do i know about the size of the file?? |
| 15:14.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: to go where? |
| 15:14.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: hell |
| 15:14.51 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 15:15.25 | stew | Seicherl: you would have to actually start groking the actual jpeg data |
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| 15:15.31 | fireba11 | 10 home |
| 15:15.31 | fireba11 | 20 sweet |
| 15:15.31 | fireba11 | 30 goto 10 |
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| 15:15.40 | Seicherl | stew: OMG |
| 15:15.50 | stew | Seicherl: or start groking the filesystem |
| 15:16.06 | stew | actaully the latter, i guess |
| 15:16.47 | spotted | I tried nvu and bablefish they both kick ass! Much better than htmlkit and dreamweaver. :P |
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| 15:16.54 | spotted | bluefish* |
| 15:17.06 | spotted | I didn't know of them. |
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| 15:17.17 | fireba11 | spotted: i could ahve told you that dreamweaver is CRAP .. |
| 15:17.31 | fireba11 | spotted: and expensive crap that is |
| 15:17.37 | spotted | fireba11, yeah, it has plenty of rendering bugs... |
| 15:17.49 | spotted | but on windows it does its dirty job... |
| 15:18.01 | fireba11 | spotted: also the code is ugly ... |
| 15:18.15 | fireba11 | spotted: and bloated |
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| 15:18.25 | dpy | hi |
| 15:18.35 | spotted | yeah, that's true, but it makes css scripting easy. |
| 15:19.09 | dpy | does anyone know how I can prevent debian from clearing /tmp at each boot ? |
| 15:19.09 | fireba11 | spotted: in dreamweaver 4 i tested it once .. made a page with it .. then i made the same page with only a text editor with syntax highlighting .. was 1/3 the size |
| 15:19.54 | spotted | haha |
| 15:19.54 | dpy | I want a more elaborate approach, i.e. remove files that have not been accessed in a month |
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| 15:19.54 | fireba11 | dpy: uhm .. /tmp is expected to be cleared .. why do you want to change that ? |
| 15:19.55 | spotted | then you have to see what frontpage does |
| 15:19.55 | spotted | ^^ |
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| 15:19.56 | spotted | it fills pages with hotbot components |
| 15:19.58 | spotted | hahaha |
| 15:20.07 | fireba11 | dpy nothing usefull should stay there after a shutdown |
| 15:20.20 | dpy | fireba11: I like the way mandriva/suse/redhat/... handle /tmp |
| 15:20.32 | fireba11 | spotted: i know .. but i consider it a wayste of time even talking about that |
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| 15:20.38 | Kovecses | xfce or gnome? |
| 15:20.45 | stew | dpy: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 15:20.52 | kspath | dpy: if you have to something odd like that there is a util in packages list apt-cache search tmp apt-cache search clear |
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| 15:21.33 | stew | kspath: its not odd, and there is a setting in /etc/default/rcS |
| 15:21.41 | tpr | how long does 'badblocks' take on a 320 gigger? :P |
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| 15:22.31 | common | depends on bus |
| 15:22.39 | kspath | dpy: tmpreaper - Cleans up files in directories based on their age |
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| 15:23.15 | tpr | approx? |
| 15:23.36 | stew | kspath: why would you recommend that over /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh? |
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| 15:23.57 | Kovecses | #gentoo |
| 15:23.58 | mo1991 | what is the best way to share a printer with a windows machine?? Samba? |
| 15:24.05 | kspath | stew: I would not just telling that it exists |
| 15:24.43 | cahoot | mo1991: hook the printer on linux and use cups |
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| 15:24.55 | mo1991 | cahoot - it's hooked up on the debian box |
| 15:24.56 | donm | making deb packages from sh files? |
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| 15:25.29 | mo1991 | cahoot - want to share with my work windows laptop - not sure if there is a cups client for windows tho - or should I use samba? |
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| 15:25.37 | cahoot | mo1991: winxp and 2000 can use cups |
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| 15:25.42 | dorn | I have managed to get PAM in a state where it can't find the right GLIBC. I have tried reinstalling both modules but no joy. Any suggestions? |
| 15:25.51 | cahoot | mo1991: or rather access via cups |
| 15:26.08 | mo1991 | cahoot - how do I set this up in win xp? |
| 15:26.16 | stew | dorn: what version of debian? what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for Candidate: and Installed:? |
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| 15:26.23 | cahoot | mo1991: create a 'raw' printer queue on linux and point win clients to that |
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| 15:26.28 | KerPlunk | Where can I get a simplified clear list of what the differences are between the stock firefox versions from Mozilla Foundation...and the versions debian.org has? |
| 15:26.38 | KerPlunk | A general overview. |
| 15:26.55 | stew | KerPlunk: the .diff.gz from apt-get source pkgname |
| 15:27.14 | cahoot | mo1991: like http://server:631/printers/<raw printer queue> |
| 15:27.41 | ILF_ | i used to get sound with my asus a7n8x onboard after running alsaconf. now i don't, in 3 kernels, no error though. double-checked alsamixer. any idea? |
| 15:27.42 | mo1991 | cahoot - I have full scanning and printing functionality from my linux machine right now - will sharing it this way allow for full functionality in win xp? |
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| 15:27.59 | KerPlunk | stew: I have a 10kbit connection right now. Anyway I can get it quicker then that? |
| 15:28.00 | cahoot | mo1991: no idea |
| 15:28.03 | Seicherl | stew: even when i "cut" the file down to the obvious beginning and ending, it still corrupted |
| 15:28.19 | cahoot | mo1991: never used a scanner on win |
| 15:28.20 | dorn | apt-cache policy libc6 says installed 2.3.2.ds1-22 candidate 2.3.2.ds1-22 version started as sarge but has some newer parts like 2.6 kernel for SATA support |
| 15:28.49 | mo1991 | cahoot - can printers be shared via samba as well - what would be the advantage of a raw device over samba? |
| 15:29.01 | mo1991 | fairly new to printing on linux |
| 15:29.05 | cahoot | mo1991: networked scanners are not known to the windows world AFAIK |
| 15:29.30 | speedy | http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/libapache-mod-php4 is showing [security] in red, what does that mean? |
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| 15:29.47 | bbrazil | speedy: there are security updates for it |
| 15:29.59 | dorn | stew: PAM is saying it can't find GLIBC_2.3 but I upgraded PAM so I'm not sure why it wants that, can i have both? |
| 15:30.48 | dorn | stew: or does 2.3.2 count as 2.3 ? |
| 15:30.48 | cahoot | mo1991: yes you can share via samba as well - just that I've no idea how |
| 15:30.48 | mo1991 | cahoot - so I add this raw device as a new printer in addition to the printer I already have set up in linux? |
| 15:30.48 | cahoot | mo1991: yes |
| 15:30.48 | mo1991 | using gnome-cups admin or foomatic gui? |
| 15:30.53 | speedy | bbrazil: i'm sticking to latest debian stable package.. and i see some strange activities in apache error log |
| 15:30.56 | mo1991 | meaning I can do this with one of these gui's? |
| 15:31.14 | bbrazil | speedy: could you pastebin it? |
| 15:31.28 | Paivakil | mo1991: simply point a browser to localhost:631 |
| 15:31.34 | cahoot | mo1991: heh - I use the 'web browser interface' |
| 15:31.35 | speedy | version 4.3.10-16 is very old, php released 4.4.1 now |
| 15:31.50 | speedy | bbrazil: what do you mean by pastebin it ? |
| 15:32.18 | bbrazil | speedy: put it somewhere on the web that I have a peek |
| 15:32.30 | speedy | sure |
| 15:32.34 | dorn | stew: any clues? need more info? |
| 15:33.06 | Paivakil | speedy: pastebin.com |
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| 15:33.13 | Seicherl | seems like everybody is waiting for an anser of stew :) |
| 15:33.18 | cahoot | mo1991: you also must config cupsd on server to accept connections from LAN (and announce its existance) - read the cupsd config file |
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| 15:33.33 | stew | KerPlunk: http://packages.debian.org/packagename and you should be able to download just the .diff.gz |
| 15:33.48 | donm | Hey.. anyone... sh---->deb (how |
| 15:34.01 | Deepa | sh---->deb? |
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| 15:34.34 | donm | how to make deb package prom sh file (the driver from ati) |
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| 15:34.47 | speedy | bbrazil: here it is sh: line 1: host: command not found |
| 15:34.47 | stew | dorn: what version of libpam0g? |
| 15:34.47 | speedy | shark_: line 1: host: command not found |
| 15:34.47 | speedy | --17:54:12-- http://www.c1zc0.com/anthis/index |
| 15:34.47 | speedy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.47 | speedy | Resolving www.c1zc0.com... 72.20.42.179 |
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| 15:35.13 | dorn | stew: installed 0.76-22 |
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| 15:35.21 | cyprinus | has anyone had problems with installing jdk 1.5 ? ive got error: no matching plugin was found |
| 15:35.24 | speedy | i'm sorry about it |
| 15:35.28 | speedy | wrong paste |
| 15:35.32 | bbrazil | speedy: you have a breakin |
| 15:35.56 | Firestarter | is there a graphical interface for apcupsd? |
| 15:35.58 | speedy | bbrazil: yes, and am suspecious about php.. |
| 15:36.19 | cyprinus | whats wrong? |
| 15:36.35 | speedy | bbrazil: there seem to be a phpshell some where.. i cant find it.. |
| 15:36.50 | stew | dorn: since you pam and your libc6 are both from sarge aka stable, they should agree, what are you doing when you get an error? |
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| 15:36.54 | bbrazil | speedy: http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~bbrazil/code/brmon/src/long_running_apache <-- run this, you'll need to change the APACHE_USERS value (probably tp www-data). It should find any bots hanging off apache |
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| 15:37.18 | donm | i mean how to make deb package from sh file (the driver from ati) |
| 15:37.30 | bbrazil | !ati |
| 15:37.30 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 15:37.31 | stew | dorn: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 15:37.40 | dorn | stew: just trying to login, i.e. ssh 127.0.0.1 ... prompts a flurry of errors in auth.log including the one where PAM says it can't find GLIBC_2.3 |
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| 15:37.56 | alephant | Hi all |
| 15:38.10 | alephant | I want to recompile a package with different options |
| 15:38.16 | alephant | I did apt-get source aterm |
| 15:38.16 | donm | ok 10x |
| 15:38.18 | stew | dorn: have you been installing any of this stuff from source or just from debian packages? |
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| 15:38.35 | alephant | what's the procedure for tweaking ``configure'' |
| 15:38.37 | alephant | options |
| 15:38.39 | stew | alephant: /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /mag dpkg source |
| 15:38.53 | dondelelcaro | modify the rules file if necessary, rebuild package. |
| 15:38.57 | dorn | kernel is from source since it had to be patched. i have a few other things from source on the system. |
| 15:39.12 | stew | dorn: but not libc nor pam? |
| 15:39.33 | alephant | stew - tq |
| 15:39.48 | alephant | stew - is this summarized as neatly in any of the Debian docs? |
| 15:40.02 | alephant | which FM? |
| 15:40.04 | alephant | <grin> |
| 15:40.13 | speedy | bbrazil: i ran it, nothing happened |
| 15:40.19 | bbrazil | speedy: it mails root |
| 15:40.24 | dorn | stew: hmm, i see a glib-2.4.6 in my /usr/local/src so something might have wanted that as a dependency. is that the root of my problem if installed? |
| 15:40.28 | dondelelcaro | alephant: it's not, really... policy, the nm guide, and the developer's reference talks about it a bit. |
| 15:40.36 | cyprinus | has anyone had problems with installing jdk 1.5 ? ive got error: no matching plugin was found, whats wrong? |
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| 15:40.45 | bbrazil | speedy: for interactive use, change the mail line down the end to 'cat <<EOF' |
| 15:40.56 | dondelelcaro | alephant: but since debian/rules is just a makefile, different packages can build themselves in all sorts of interesting, yet totally different ways. |
| 15:41.05 | alephant | woo hoo |
| 15:41.24 | dorn | stew: that was from a while ago. the problems started a few days ago after an attempt to use dselect to update a few things. no recent (months) installs from sources. |
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| 15:41.27 | alephant | so the correct doc pointer is "ask on #debian" >:-| |
| 15:41.39 | stew | alephant: though you might find "/msg dpkg mg" helpful |
| 15:41.45 | dondelelcaro | alephant: no, the correct doc pointer is to read debian/rules; and read policy. |
| 15:41.52 | stew | dorn: yes that is the source of your problems |
| 15:41.54 | speedy | bbrazil: changed, same thing. |
| 15:42.10 | alephant | thanks! |
| 15:42.15 | stew | dorn: oh wait, glib? maybe not |
| 15:42.17 | speedy | bbrazil: how do they get in? |
| 15:42.21 | bbrazil | speedy: okay - they're probably trying to run a bot but failing |
| 15:42.26 | alephant | will print 'em out and add 'em near the top of my README stack. |
| 15:42.38 | alephant | tq all |
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| 15:42.58 | nima | can wine install from msi files? |
| 15:43.01 | speedy | bbrazil: i have /tmp on noexec mode, thats why the intruder couldnt run his files in /tmp |
| 15:43.23 | bbrazil | speedy: thats probably it |
| 15:43.24 | dorn | stew: you asked me for some dpkg output but I must have misunderstood the options, can you repeat? |
| 15:43.36 | bbrazil | speedy: one other check: /bin/ps -fp $(pgrep -d, -P 1) <-- look for anything odd |
| 15:43.38 | speedy | but how can i find the cause.. |
| 15:43.58 | bbrazil | speedy: look at the times in the error log and compare to the access log |
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| 15:44.49 | speedy | bbrazil: the weird thing error log is not giving me time for these errors, but giving me for others |
| 15:45.09 | bbrazil | speedy: use surrounding times |
| 15:45.17 | orjan | quit |
| 15:45.44 | speedy | bbrazil: i'll try it, thanks |
| 15:46.15 | nima | does anyone know if wine can install a program from a .msi? |
| 15:46.16 | bbrazil | speedy: also check recent security advisiorys for any web apps you have running |
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| 15:46.40 | speedy | bbrazil: sure, thanks |
| 15:47.07 | cbr | what's FreeBSD's default UI? |
| 15:47.15 | bbrazil | speedy: I was also poking around yesterday and came across mod_security - it looks nice |
| 15:47.21 | dondelelcaro | cbr: uh... this is #debian, not #freebsd |
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| 15:47.36 | cbr | dondelelcaro: yes, but maybe somebody knows :p |
| 15:47.47 | dondelelcaro | cbr: #freebsd knows. Ask there. |
| 15:48.00 | Seicherl | OMG! I'm getting more and more confused on this file-recovery-stuff |
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| 15:48.30 | speedy | bbrazil: i'll check it out, chrooting will make things safer |
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| 15:48.55 | bbrazil | speedy: that script I pointed you to is part of a few I've written to catch breakins. Already caught 1 |
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| 15:49.42 | dorn | stew: "dpkg ati drivers" returns that dpkg: needs an action option |
| 15:49.58 | roue | hola |
| 15:50.20 | bbrazil | speedy: while I think of it, mod_security claims to do chrooting :) |
| 15:50.51 | speedy | bbrazil: yep :) |
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| 15:54.00 | alephant | hey, I'm confrused about terminology |
| 15:54.21 | Seicherl | alephant: welcome to the confused corner |
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| 15:54.35 | alephant | the manpage for aterm says that "foo is only available when compiled with KEYSYM_RESOURCE" |
| 15:54.51 | mo1991 | is there a good gui to configure samba with ? |
| 15:54.53 | Seicherl | could anybody come over and just hold my hand? I can't take all those ascii-characters anymore |
| 15:54.55 | alephant | the source tarball includes src/features.h |
| 15:54.58 | mo1991 | that shipps with sarge? |
| 15:55.06 | zimnyx | Is it enough secure to use debian;s default aide config? |
| 15:55.08 | alephant | which says "#define_FEATURE_H" |
| 15:55.13 | alephant | er |
| 15:55.20 | alephant | sorry |
| 15:55.35 | alephant | # define KEYSYM_RESOURCE |
| 15:55.41 | samuel | sup all |
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| 15:56.00 | alephant | this isn't however a "--foo" option to configure |
| 15:56.12 | samuel | anyone know how to ask apt why something has been kept back? ie - whats stopping it? |
| 15:56.25 | alephant | I'm not familiar enough with autoconf/make to know how to enable this |
| 15:57.07 | mo1991 | what is the samba configuration tool in sarge? |
| 15:57.25 | alephant | does the fact that it's #define'd in features.h indicate that the feature will be built in the binary? |
| 15:57.39 | dli_ | samuel, apt-get install foo , will tell you what must be removed to upgrade foo |
| 15:58.44 | _rene_ | or just try dist-upgrade.. |
| 15:58.59 | _rene_ | read apt-gets manpage for the difference |
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| 15:59.39 | samuel | dli_: thanks! |
| 16:00.45 | mo1991 | can anyone tell me what a good gui is for samba configuration? |
| 16:00.59 | hueh | mo1991: webmin |
| 16:01.05 | Seicherl | mo1991: swat |
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| 16:03.09 | dave__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.13 | JJK | Hello, I just cloned a machine and regenerated the SSH keyfiles. Now, when I try to ssh localhost, It complains about failing host key verification. I've deleted the ~/.ssh/ folder and the known_host files of in /etc/ssh. |
| 16:03.20 | o-_-o | I am trying to use autoconf and the ilk, do I have to manually add libtool or is there something I need to run to add libtool and depcomp to my tree ? |
| 16:03.28 | mo1991 | Seicherl I believe swat is installed by default - how do I access it? |
| 16:03.34 | o-_-o | (like automake --add-missing) ? |
| 16:03.43 | JJK | The output of ssh -vvv locahost is here: http://pastebin/488790 |
| 16:03.50 | Seicherl | mo1991: i'm just checking. i forgot, sorry. hold on |
| 16:03.50 | alephant | ach |
| 16:03.51 | stew | dave__: if someone is working on the package there should be an itp filed /msg dpkg itp |
| 16:03.53 | alephant | figured it out |
| 16:03.56 | alephant | thanks anyway |
| 16:04.04 | JJK | Does anyone know how I can resolve this? |
| 16:05.05 | dorn | stew: "dpkg ati drivers" returns that dpkg: needs an action option |
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| 16:05.37 | hell_nb | ÕÔÒÏ |
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| 16:06.08 | bibe | JJK : you have to restore /etc/ssh/*key* and restart the ssh daemon |
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| 16:07.07 | JJK | bibe, I don't have the original anymore. I regenerated them using dpkg-reconfigure ssh. |
| 16:07.31 | JJK | Of course the ssh daemon was restarted |
| 16:08.24 | stew | dorn: sorry i think that ati drivers thing was meant for someone else |
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| 16:08.39 | mbuf | i have installed tftpd, can anyone tell me how to start the tftp server ? |
| 16:08.56 | dvs | mbuf: It's probably already started |
| 16:08.59 | mbuf | and how to check if its started ? |
| 16:09.09 | dvs | mbuf: Try /etc/init.d/tftp status |
| 16:09.22 | sussudio_ | !test |
| 16:09.22 | dpkg | No, sussudio_, you're not online any more. |
| 16:10.02 | dorn | stew: no problem, any suggestions on where I should go from here? |
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| 16:10.20 | mbuf | dvs, there is no /etc/init.d/tftp |
| 16:10.34 | dvs | mbuf: Isn't it an ftp server? |
| 16:10.45 | JJK | bibe, have you seen the output of ssh -vvv localhost? I've posted it to http://pastebin.com/488790. It says st about known_hosts |
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| 16:11.36 | mbuf | dvs, yes |
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| 16:12.07 | Seicherl | mo1991: have you tried to access your localhost at port 901 in your browser? |
| 16:12.13 | mithro | yearggggggghhh... |
| 16:12.17 | stew | dorn: i'd maybe run debsums on libc6 and makesure you didn't mistakenly replace anything |
| 16:12.21 | Seicherl | mo1991: thats where swat usually is located |
| 16:12.23 | mo1991 | Seicherl - ya, I just did |
| 16:12.27 | mo1991 | connection refused |
| 16:12.36 | dvs | mbuf: No, it's only a client |
| 16:12.39 | mo1991 | is swat running as a dameon or do I need to start it myself |
| 16:12.47 | Seicherl | mo1991: ok.... hold on |
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| 16:12.57 | dvs | mbuf: Just type tftp to start it |
| 16:13.14 | mithro | i still havn't figured out this openssh bug |
| 16:13.52 | Seicherl | mo1991: look at the samba directory |
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| 16:14.36 | mo1991 | not sure where the samba directory is located |
| 16:14.37 | Seicherl | mo1991: is there a swat-binary? or if not there, look at /usr/sbin |
| 16:14.46 | dorn | stew: debsums -s libc6 does not report any problems. |
| 16:14.51 | Seicherl | mo1991: try /urs/local/samba |
| 16:15.17 | mo1991 | Secherl I see a swat file in /usr/sbin |
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| 16:16.04 | mo1991 | ok, I started swat lets see if i can get5 in now |
| 16:16.38 | Seicherl | mo1991: anything happening? |
| 16:16.47 | mo1991 | nope can't get in |
| 16:16.50 | mo1991 | lets try running swat as root |
| 16:17.38 | mo1991 | still can't connect over web port 901 |
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| 16:17.52 | Seicherl | have you checked your firewall? |
| 16:17.53 | mo1991 | all I did was run the /usr/sbin swat binary tho |
| 16:18.21 | treyh0 | what's going on with utnubu? is it still active? |
| 16:18.22 | mo1991 | no, although I'm trying to access it on localhost:901 - there shouldn't be any firewall up |
| 16:19.13 | Ronin | treyh0: dont know, tried in #ubuntu? |
| 16:19.49 | treyh0 | Ronin: utnubu not ubuntu |
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| 16:20.01 | treyh0 | from http://utnubu.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 16:20.26 | mo1991 | Seicherl - localhost:901 I shoudn't have to worry about any firewall settings - correct? |
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| 16:20.52 | Seicherl | mo1991: not sure right now. but listen. look at the file /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 16:20.52 | Chance | hello |
| 16:21.07 | Chance | how can i add an ierarhick tree of routes and ips on my servers |
| 16:21.19 | Seicherl | mo1991: maybe you have to activate the service there first ;) |
| 16:21.32 | Chance | like for ex 11.0.0.1 to go thru 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.1 to go thru another ip and so on ? |
| 16:21.46 | mo1991 | Seicherl - I'm in the file inetd.conf |
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| 16:22.05 | mo1991 | swat appears to be commented out - should I uncomment and reboot? |
| 16:22.10 | Seicherl | mo1991: ok. at the bottom you'll find something like other services |
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| 16:22.18 | mo1991 | ya, I see it |
| 16:22.21 | Seicherl | mo1991: uncomment it and restart the deamon |
| 16:22.41 | mo1991 | should I uncomment netbios-ssn as well? |
| 16:22.59 | mo1991 | that appears to be the samba daemon |
| 16:23.05 | Seicherl | mo1991: don't know. leave it aslong as you're not sure ´to need it |
| 16:23.30 | mo1991 | ok, what is the command to restart the inetd daemon |
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| 16:23.44 | Chance | Seicherl can ya help ? |
| 16:23.45 | Seicherl | mo1991: its not necessary. i have it commented and mine works |
| 16:23.47 | dvs | mo1991: invoke-rc.d inetd restart |
| 16:23.56 | Estes2 | Hi everyone :) |
| 16:23.58 | Estes2 | Happy new year |
| 16:24.11 | Seicherl | Chance: depends on the question |
| 16:24.24 | Chance | already stated it |
| 16:24.34 | Estes2 | Quick question, there an utility to redirect stdout to a log and in the same time to the screen... anyone remember the name of this utility please ? |
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| 16:24.40 | Chance | Seicherl how can i add an ierarhic tree of routes and ips on my servers, like for ex 11.0.0.1 to go thru 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.1 to go thru another ip and so on ? |
| 16:24.41 | speedy | bbrazil: i found the reason of the itrusion, it was one of my web apps |
| 16:24.41 | Seicherl | mo1991: guess it should be /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 16:24.42 | cisse | Estes2: tee |
| 16:24.50 | zimnyx | Is it enough secure to use debian;s default aide config? |
| 16:24.51 | Estes2 | cisse, thanks :) |
| 16:25.00 | Seicherl | Chance: sorry, no clue at the moment |
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| 16:25.05 | cisse | Chance: route add command, but you prob want to run a routing daemon |
| 16:25.17 | Chance | tryed with route |
| 16:25.20 | mo1991 | Seicherl - I now have access to swat - thx |
| 16:25.29 | Chance | but humm doesn't really work |
| 16:25.35 | Seicherl | mo1991: its not necessary. i have it commented and mine works |
| 16:25.44 | Seicherl | mo1991: no prob! |
| 16:25.48 | bbrazil | speedy: which one as a matter of interest? |
| 16:25.55 | Seicherl | ups, wrong key |
| 16:26.01 | mo1991 | Seicherl - btw, samba should be running as a daemon without me doing anything as I installed it that way correct? |
| 16:26.15 | Chance | cisse i am having for test one NIC with multiple ip's some on diff classes and so on but the route thing doesn't work |
| 16:26.20 | dave__ | once you have found a package you want to maintain, how do you go about being the maintainer? |
| 16:26.21 | Seicherl | mo1991: sure. as long as the server is running, samba will aswell |
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| 16:26.48 | speedy | bbrazil: http://www.frsirt.com/english/advisories/2005/0934 |
| 16:26.58 | cisse | Chance: well you basically just need to manipulate the routing table with 'route' |
| 16:27.01 | Seicherl | mo1991: now that everybody knows that you run swat, set your firewall to block that port at all costs ;) |
| 16:28.10 | mo1991 | Seicherl - I am behind a router and I do not foward that port 901 - so it should not be accessable via the internet |
| 16:28.11 | bbrazil | speedy: had a xmlrpc hit us through phpnuke |
| 16:28.17 | bbrazil | speedy: really fun to clean up |
| 16:28.29 | dave__ | once you have found a package you want to maintain, how do you go about being the maintainer? |
| 16:28.31 | tpr | jeesh how can I tell what is causing steadily inreasing loads |
| 16:28.39 | Seicherl | mo1991: ;) |
| 16:28.49 | tpr | uptime shows increasing loads every second, not much but still and they are not going down |
| 16:29.20 | Seicherl | mo1991: as an exchange, you can't help me with ext3 filerecovery, do you? |
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| 16:29.59 | mo1991 | Seicherl - you deleted some stuff you want back on an ext3? |
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| 16:30.08 | Paad | hello |
| 16:30.09 | Seicherl | mo1991: yep! |
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| 16:30.41 | Paad | I have got a problem |
| 16:30.42 | dave__ | Does anybody know where I can find how to become the maintainer of a package? |
| 16:30.43 | bbrazil | tpr: top |
| 16:30.48 | dvs | Really? |
| 16:31.00 | Seicherl | Paad: as most people in here. go ask |
| 16:31.05 | stew | dave__: do you have a package prepared? |
| 16:31.06 | bbrazil | dave__: read the new maintainers guide |
| 16:31.13 | Paad | wait a minute I think |
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| 16:31.21 | mo1991 | sorry man, not much help here - I did that a while back and after much searching managed to recover "some" of the data but not much - can't remember how I did this and it didn't work very well |
| 16:31.22 | dave__ | yes I have a package prepared |
| 16:31.27 | mo1991 | Seicherl above |
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| 16:31.32 | Paad | ok good bye |
| 16:31.34 | Paad | ++ |
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| 16:31.51 | tpr | bbrazil: top doesnt show anything out of the ordinary |
| 16:32.01 | tpr | bbrazil: no high cpu usage or memory usage, but loads just keep on increasing gradually |
| 16:32.01 | bbrazil | tpr: dstat -fam |
| 16:32.03 | Seicherl | mo1991: well thanks anyway. I managed to find a bunch of files but none of them was one of the files i was looking for. |
| 16:32.10 | odla | i was wondering if someone could recommend a lightweight, functional file manager? i've tried dfm, xfe, nautilus (not light weight), rox. i've liked xfe the best so far/ |
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| 16:32.30 | tpr | bbrazil: now thats something else :) thanks |
| 16:32.40 | bbrazil | tpr: I've seen this - was caused by hardware problems |
| 16:32.42 | Seicherl | odla: what you mean with filemanager? tried midnight commander? |
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| 16:33.05 | odla | Seicherl: something analogous to nautilus...not a wm |
| 16:33.08 | bbrazil | tpr: you need a nice wide terminal to fully appreciate dstat |
| 16:33.12 | stew | dave__: post an RFS: to the debian-mentors mailing list or to #debian-mentors and have people look over your packaging and hopefully sponsor it |
| 16:33.18 | Seicherl | odla: sorry, i don't know nautilus |
| 16:33.28 | odla | Seicherl: gnome's file manager |
| 16:33.32 | tpr | bbrazil: im just puttying from windoze atm :) |
| 16:33.41 | Seicherl | odla: for gui or console? |
| 16:33.45 | tpr | looks neat like this tho |
| 16:33.47 | odla | Seicherl: gui |
| 16:34.01 | stew | odla: have you tried gentoo? |
| 16:34.06 | Seicherl | odla: oh... mc is for console (as far as i know). |
| 16:34.13 | stew | gentoo is a gtk version of mc sorta |
| 16:34.16 | odla | stew: gentoo no |
| 16:34.23 | odla | stew: i'll try it |
| 16:34.43 | tpr | bbrazil: sadly though I still have no clue whats causing the increasing loads |
| 16:34.54 | Seicherl | ok guys! thanks for a couple of nice hours in here, but i gotta go! See you next time! |
| 16:35.03 | bbrazil | tpr: high number of wai, int or csw? |
| 16:35.04 | tpr | load average: 6.96, 5.80, 3.57 already even though nothings high on cpu or mem usage |
| 16:35.19 | dave__ | What I really want to know is how to have it say I am the person working on the package so people know to work on other packages. |
| 16:35.20 | nprice | any way to install debian from a SATA cdrom? i've tried everything i can think of and it will not detect this cdrom. something to do with ATAPI over SATA support in the kernel |
| 16:35.24 | stew | tpr: are you swapping? do you have lots of disk access? |
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| 16:36.06 | tpr | bbrazil: wai is mostly 0 but int ranges from 1004 to approx 1200 and csw from ~50 up to 450 |
| 16:36.12 | tpr | no idea what those are :D |
| 16:36.17 | stew | tpr: run "vmstat 2", ignore the first line, tell me if any of the si/so/bi/bo colums are nonzero |
| 16:36.30 | bbrazil | tpr: interrupts, context switches |
| 16:37.14 | tpr | stew: bo hit 80 there, otherwise 0 so far |
| 16:37.37 | stew | dunno then |
| 16:37.42 | tpr | stew: and i accessed my lvm and it jammed, something is wrong there too :) |
| 16:37.44 | bbrazil | tpr: anything odd in dmesg output? |
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| 16:38.14 | dave__ | What I really want to know is how to have it say I am the person working on the package so people know to work on other packages |
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| 16:38.46 | tpr | bbrazil: uhoh a lot of ReiserFS: hda2: warning: clm-2100: nesting info a different FS, and then one section of "kernel BUG at fs/reiserfs/journal.c:2811!" |
| 16:39.04 | bbrazil | tpr: I think I see the problem |
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| 16:39.10 | SlayerXP | a bug in reiserfs!!! NEVER!!! |
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| 16:39.14 | Jazon | hi! Hope everyone had a great holiday season.... Question: I am connected to my home system via SSH and I want to tranfer all of te files in my /Docs folders to my system here at the office.... how do i do this? |
| 16:39.14 | tpr | SlayerXP: :D |
| 16:39.17 | SlayerXP | tpr: I see the exact problem. |
| 16:39.37 | bbrazil | tpr: you see reiser has this built in code that once the value of your data goes over a certain data, it trashes it |
| 16:39.37 | SlayerXP | tpr: you know the part where you decided to use reiserfs? |
| 16:39.52 | bbrazil | *value |
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| 16:40.10 | SlayerXP | Jazon: scp |
| 16:40.19 | Jazon | ahhhh thanx! |
| 16:40.22 | bibe | JJK : still there? I had some network problems |
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| 16:40.28 | tpr | SlayerXP: i moved to ext3 on my laptop ;) the reiserfs is an experiment box so to speak :) im still learning a lot |
| 16:40.42 | SlayerXP | tpr: hopefully you're learning about backups |
| 16:40.42 | bbrazil | tpr: v3 or v4? |
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| 16:40.53 | tpr | bbrazil: aha okey, well not 100% sure what that means, but is there way to prevent this or fix the current situation, without changing to some other file system |
| 16:41.09 | tpr | SlayerXP: luckily the box has nothing of importance in the end |
| 16:41.13 | SlayerXP | tpr: format the partition are restore from your backup. |
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| 16:41.19 | bbrazil | tpr: from what I hear reiser's data recovery tools are useless/nonexistant |
| 16:41.30 | Jazon | SlayerXP: so to copy all of them to my home folder, what exactly would i type? |
| 16:41.48 | Jazon | SlayerXP: I don't know how to use wildcards in linux... :( |
| 16:41.55 | SlayerXP | Jazon: "man scp" |
| 16:41.59 | stew | Jazon: scp -r /Docs user@remotehost: |
| 16:42.15 | SlayerXP | Jazon: the wildcard character is * |
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| 16:42.30 | cisse | Jazon: the ? symbol machines any single character, * symbol matches any character any number of times |
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| 16:42.48 | Jazon | ok - same as dos |
| 16:43.12 | bbrazil | Jazon: unix also has character classes |
| 16:43.18 | Jazon | stew: I don't understand the user@remotehosst: part.... |
| 16:43.32 | bbrazil | Jazon: bash anyway - e.g. [abc] |
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| 16:44.22 | ricercar | Hello all. |
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| 16:44.50 | stew | Jazon: user is your username on the remote computer, remotehost is the name of the remotemachine, the : signifies that you are talking about a remote machine instead of of file name "user@remotehost" on the local machine, since there is no filename after the : it copies files into "user"'s home directory on the remote host |
| 16:45.16 | cire | I've built a custom kernel by using make-kpkg. dpkg -i kernelimage.deb returns an error: " Unterprozess pre-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurück" (subprocess pre-inst script returned error code 1). I cannot remove it, (dpkg tells me, I should reinstall it first) and I cannot reinstall it. Why can't I install this image, and hoiw may I remove it? |
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| 16:45.35 | Jazon | stew: so can i use an ip address there? |
| 16:45.35 | roo9 | hi, i'm trying to configure software RAID on a new install and getting an error that "The ext3 file system cration in partition #1 of RADI0 device #0 failed" the console shows that it's trying to partition "/dev/md/0p1" which does not exist |
| 16:45.39 | stew | Jazon: yes |
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| 16:46.31 | Jazon | stew: and if i am in the directory i want copied, can i leave out the path decription |
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| 16:47.13 | stew | Jazon: in that case i would recommend specifying a remote directory, "scp -r . user@remotehost:Docs" or somehting |
| 16:47.29 | stew | Jazon: which would create /home/user/Docs on the remote host |
| 16:47.29 | ricercar | My (elderly) 6 GB scsi drive has just lost it's suoerblock :( Can anyone give me reasonable alternative block values to try - I remember e2fsck giving me a long list (now lost, alas) several years ago? |
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| 16:48.26 | ricercar | block 8193 didn't cut it, but there were many higher blcok Nos. |
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| 16:49.38 | bobw | what is included in the DNS Server option when I install Sarge?? I am at the initial install screen |
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| 16:50.01 | asg | ricercar: use mke2fs with the -n option to list other superblock locations |
| 16:50.20 | Jazon | oioi i think i did something wrong lol |
| 16:50.30 | bibe | bobw : use up to three DNS servers, separated by one (or more) spaces |
| 16:50.34 | ricercar | asg: thanx a lot - I'll try it now |
| 16:50.55 | dvs | bibe: bobw is asking which DNS server is selected |
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| 16:51.08 | Eulex | bobw, if it doesn't give you what you want, just install whatever you want after the initial install. |
| 16:51.45 | Jazon | stew: the exact folder i want to copy here is /media/sda2/Documents and Settings/Administrator/My Documents/Docs, so i type in this:scp -r . ##.144.2##.46:Docs and now it sits.... lol - what is it doing~??? |
| 16:52.01 | bibe | bobw : sorry, I misunderstood your question |
| 16:52.03 | mo1991 | Seicherl - any idea how I add a printer in swat? I have a printer working in cups but it does not show up in swat? |
| 16:52.24 | jonducky | Is there another channel specifically for IPv4 over 802.3 networking issues? (i.e. configuring /etc/network/*; /etc/resolv* ?) |
| 16:52.38 | Eulex | bobw, but the packages you get if you choose dns server are: dlint, dnsutils, lwresd, bind9-doc and bind9 |
| 16:52.48 | bibe | bobw : I wouldn't install any package, then I would install whatever I want |
| 16:52.53 | bobw | Eulex, nice...where did u digg that info up? |
| 16:52.54 | stew | Jazon: dunno, adding a -v the beginning of that command might tell you what its doing |
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| 16:53.04 | Eulex | bobw, I ran tasksel --task-packages dns-server |
| 16:53.09 | Jazon | lol - ok thx for your help |
| 16:53.15 | Jazon | I will just wait it out i guess :S |
| 16:53.15 | groogs | i have a system that will not run cron jobs, and i have no idea why. i have a cron job setup like: * * * * * /bin/touch /tmp/test .. i setup syslog.conf to log cron.* to /var/log/cron.log .. I see the edits, and it shows "(root) RELOAD (crontabs/root)" within a minute after editing.. but it never actually runs the job. where can i look? |
| 16:53.25 | bobw | Eulex, great I will remember that thank you |
| 16:53.40 | Eulex | bobw, yw |
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| 16:54.22 | slapin | Hi, all!!! Is it possible to cross-bootstrap debian? e.g. make filesystem tree for arm-linux? |
| 16:54.29 | tpr | bbrazil: funny that reboot seemed to fix the problem temporarily again, I can read and write to the lvm array, dunno then |
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| 16:55.06 | mo1991 | does anyone know how to add a printer in SWAT - My printer is set up but swat does not list it as a printer |
| 16:55.13 | bbrazil | tpr: get your data off there and use ext3 |
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| 16:55.32 | stew | slapin: man debootstrap look for arch |
| 16:55.40 | bobw | If I want my server to just resolv domains, Can i just install the lwresd and not BIND9 |
| 16:55.46 | tpr | bbrazil: yea im gonna do that, though still its a bit weird wouldve liked to know why it f*cks up like that :) |
| 16:55.47 | slapin | Thanks a lot!!! |
| 16:56.01 | bbrazil | tpr: because its reiser |
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| 16:56.31 | tpr | bbrazil: thats not a reason :D |
| 16:57.37 | bbrazil | tpr: was that reiser3 or reiser4? |
| 16:57.39 | Eulex | bobw, check the package descriptions. I don't think it looks like you just need lwresd. |
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| 16:58.41 | bobw | Eulex, i am reading the man page now for lwresd...however when I installed just lwresd, the only listening ports are udp 32768 and 921 |
| 16:59.56 | Paivakil | bobw: check if lwresd is started |
| 17:00.20 | Eulex | bobw, from the package description: It is essentially a stripped-down, caching-only name server that answers queries using the BIND 9 lightweight resolver protocol rather than the DNS protocol. |
| 17:00.24 | bobw | Paivakil, yes its started |
| 17:00.47 | bobw | Eulex, yes it seems like this is just something that runs on top of bind, yes? |
| 17:01.07 | Eulex | bobw, yes it does |
| 17:01.13 | roo9 | hi, for some reason during the debain install process the proper /dev/md/0p1 0p2 etc entries aren't created, any idea how to create those? |
| 17:01.27 | Paivakil | Eulex: it depends on libbind; not bind itself |
| 17:02.02 | Paivakil | and lwrsd is tagged dns-server |
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| 17:02.35 | JJK | bibe, Yes, I'm still here. |
| 17:02.55 | Eulex | Paivakil, check the package description of it. as I understand it, it runs on top of bin9. I might be wrong though. |
| 17:02.55 | bobw | Eulex, i dont see that library libbind in dpkg -L lwresd |
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| 17:03.58 | Eulex | bobw & Paivakil, seems like it only depends on libbind9-0 in testing and unstable, not in sarge. also, bobw, dpkg -L doesn't show the dependencies of the package |
| 17:04.06 | SimonRaven | bobw: you wouldn't either |
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| 17:04.46 | JJK | bibe, Are you still alive? |
| 17:04.53 | Paivakil | Eulex: to see dependencies, say apt-cache show <package> |
| 17:05.14 | stew | or apt-cache depends |
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| 17:05.39 | Eulex | Paivakil, *I* know. seems like bobw doesn't- |
| 17:05.40 | badcoder | how i change window managers? is there a tool like xwmconfig in debian ? |
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| 17:06.27 | bobw | Eulex, i dont know jack...just trying to get dns resolver working |
| 17:07.03 | bobw | Eulex, so if it only depends on libbind9-0 in unstable and testing, what happens in sarge? |
| 17:07.16 | stew | !depends lwresd sarge |
| 17:07.20 | bibe | JJK : yes, I'm here... |
| 17:07.23 | tpr | bbrazil: I dont know, and I forgot how I can tell :x |
| 17:07.25 | cisse | bobw: i have the same issue, haven't reoslved it |
| 17:07.28 | tpr | bbrazil: the version of reiserfs that is |
| 17:07.44 | Eulex | bobw, I don't know. try installing the packages that are in the dns-server task suite. |
| 17:07.55 | bibe | JJK : did you restore the ssh keys on the cloned machine? |
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| 17:08.14 | bobw | stew, what do i do with that? |
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| 17:08.37 | stew | bobw: you wait for the dpkg bot to stop sleeping and answer the request... |
| 17:08.37 | JJK | bibe, I've regenerated them. And no, I don't have any backups. Did you read the output of ssh -vvv localhost? |
| 17:09.07 | bobw | !depends lwresd sarge |
| 17:09.12 | bobw | ah ok |
| 17:09.14 | dpkg | lwresd: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libdns16, libisc7, libisccc0, libisccfg0, liblwres1, libssl0.9.7 |
| 17:09.32 | dpkg | lwresd: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libdns16, libisc7, libisccc0, libisccfg0, liblwres1, libssl0.9.7 |
| 17:09.32 | bibe | JJK : yes, I read that. Everything goes fine until key check, then it fails. You can't regenerate the same key you were using before |
| 17:09.43 | stew | bobw: libdns16 i guess |
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| 17:09.44 | bobw | what command on my system can i use to find dependencies |
| 17:09.58 | stew | bobw: apt-cache depends packagename |
| 17:10.01 | Eulex | bobw, apt-cache show pkgname |
| 17:10.09 | bibe | JJK : unless you backed them up, so you restore them and your client(s) don't "suspect" anything |
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| 17:10.41 | Ostehovel | Need Help with this: I Installing Debian(Sagre) and when it was going to install Grub, my pc crash....(I install it under Emulator... but it was my windows that crash.. not by the Emulator but by something other...) and then i cannot boot, are it possible to install grub from a Floppy or something widout reinstall debian? |
| 17:10.45 | bobw | stew, Eulex , thanks |
| 17:11.20 | JJK | bibe, I know I can't regenerate the same keys. But I don't have the *known* files, so ssh should ask me if I trust them. At least that did always work for me. |
| 17:12.11 | bibe | JJK : that seems strange. I'm asking a colleague, just a minute |
| 17:12.27 | JJK | bibe, There's no way to set it up without the original keys? I only used the at localhost until now, 'cause it's a fresh installation. |
| 17:12.35 | JJK | okay. |
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| 17:12.53 | badcoder | how i change window managers? is there a tool like xwmconfig in debian ? or i just create de .xsession |
| 17:13.48 | zebalin2 | Hello. New here. I want to install debian-testing via the 'new' net-installer. I know I have to manually install kde and X. Is there a web site or a detailed how-to for the guy coming here from Mepis or Ubuntu? Thanks. |
| 17:14.25 | cat | zebalin2: www.debian.org/doc |
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| 17:15.24 | ricercar | asg: mke2fs listed 7 alt. sblocks. Just tried tried mounting (in vain) the drive with: "mount -r -t ext2 -o sb=<block num.> /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1" for each alt. block. hexedit(1) executed an apparently flawless search of the raw dev (/dev/sdb) for a string, from byte 00000000 to byte 04417740. Any ideas? |
| 17:15.25 | dvs | zebalin2: manually install kde? That can be part of the installation by choosing "Desktop Environment" |
| 17:15.27 | Ostehovel | Any channel that i can get help with install debian problem? |
| 17:15.55 | stew | zebalin2: the install guide: "/msg dpkg ig" then after the install is complete, run aptitude, go to tasks and select one of the desktop tasks for kde |
| 17:15.57 | zebalin2 | dvs: I was told I had to apt-get it. That I should install 'base-system' only. |
| 17:16.07 | stew | Ostehovel: if you have a question, ask it |
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| 17:16.13 | Ostehovel | ok |
| 17:16.14 | Ostehovel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.23 | dvs | zebalin2: No, if you choose "Desktop environment" during the install, you'll get both KDE and Gnome. |
| 17:16.26 | thingfish | zebalin2: also, dpkg (one of the channel bots) can answer questions too. Like try /msg dpkg install kde. |
| 17:16.52 | stew | dvs: actually is the kde task going to be installable on an etch system right now? probably not |
| 17:16.54 | lepton | Ostehovel: yes, it can be installed from a grub floppy |
| 17:16.55 | zebalin2 | thingfish: you use /msg not ! here? |
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| 17:17.08 | Ostehovel | :P |
| 17:17.13 | dvs | stew: Oh yeah, we're talking about etch. |
| 17:17.16 | Ostehovel | lepton: were to download that floppy? |
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| 17:17.24 | lepton | Ostehovel: use google |
| 17:17.33 | thingfish | zebalin2: we try to keep it to /msg, so it doesn't unnecessarily interrupt the rest of the channel. |
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| 17:18.07 | zebalin2 | thingfish: makes sense. I'm 'new' to irc. I'm surprised there isn't a how-to website somewhere on how to do this install. |
| 17:18.10 | pitillo | Ostehovel, I have a guide in my web to restore grub, may be it can help you without the grub floppy http://lokalix.dyndns.org in english version |
| 17:18.17 | Ostehovel | ok |
| 17:18.37 | blondie | 16376 |
| 17:18.43 | stew | has pdo been slow for other recently? it's been slow for me for about a week |
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| 17:19.23 | stew | zebalin2: i dont' think there is currently an easy way to install all of kde in etch becuase it's caught in the middle of a few transitions, you will have to apt-get the individual packages you need |
| 17:19.36 | odla | emelFM is a great file manager |
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| 17:19.48 | stew | zebalin2: in stable there are very easy ways, but not currently in testing |
| 17:20.25 | zebalin2 | stew: so if I get kde-core will that do it? |
| 17:20.53 | zebalin2 | stew: if I choose 'desktop' will that install a broken kde? |
| 17:21.02 | Ostehovel | To install kde base components "apt-get install kdebase"?? |
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| 17:21.29 | Thanatermesis | gnomebaker needs to add my user in the "root" group for any thing ? |
| 17:21.38 | stew | zebalin2: i dont' know what desktop would do, i would think it would try to install the "kde" package which is currently uninstallable in etch. the kde-core package, if it is installable will get you some of kde |
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| 17:22.05 | Ostehovel | I install debian again.... |
| 17:22.07 | stew | Ostehovel: yes |
| 17:22.22 | dvs | Ostehovel: That's the Windows way |
| 17:22.25 | Ostehovel | it takes so long time to download anything on my slow internet line.... :P |
| 17:22.29 | Ostehovel | i know |
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| 17:22.39 | dvs | i.e. not necessary |
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| 17:23.09 | pitillo | Ostehovel, do you try to restore grub by the way of my guide? |
| 17:23.14 | Ostehovel | Are it posible to jump in the debian install to grub install? (I mean i have seen a menu to jump...., maybe on woody....) |
| 17:23.38 | k8to | as of today apt is talking about a new pubkey, 010908312D230C5F, for http://http.us.debian.org testing Release: The bot faq doesn't mention this key. Is this expected? |
| 17:23.49 | sep | Ostehovel, run the expert install perhaps |
| 17:23.52 | Ostehovel | :P |
| 17:23.52 | Ostehovel | ok |
| 17:23.57 | Ostehovel | trying... now |
| 17:24.21 | bibe | JJK : no answers. if you don't have /etc/ssh/known* and ~/.ssh/known*, ssh should ask you whether to store the key or not |
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| 17:24.31 | KLD | I was wondering same thing about the keys |
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| 17:24.41 | zebalin2 | If kde is not stable in 'testing' how do I install it today with net-installer? |
| 17:24.44 | Ostehovel | (Starting install with expert....) |
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| 17:24.56 | KLD | where do I get the gpg public key for repo;s/ |
| 17:24.57 | stew | zebalin2: apt-get install kde-core |
| 17:24.59 | ansong | k8to, not just testing. unstable too: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 17:25.08 | dvs | !apt-secure |
| 17:25.08 | dpkg | methinks apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D> |
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| 17:25.09 | zebalin2 | stew: what does that leave out? |
| 17:25.19 | bibe | zebalin2 : try apt-get install kde-core and any KDE application you need |
| 17:25.20 | k8to | ansong: yes, it afects unstable also |
| 17:25.35 | JJK | bibe, Yes, And that's the problem: it doesn't ;) |
| 17:25.37 | k8to | dvs: great, but i already added keys once, most specifically the key mentioned in that blurb |
| 17:25.54 | k8to | dvs: i don't really understand the apt security architecture to know if it is reasonable to just add a new key every time i get a message |
| 17:25.58 | dvs | k8to: That was for KLD |
| 17:26.06 | stew | zebalin2: kde-extras, which includes many of the kde apps, like k3b amarok koffice, etc |
| 17:26.07 | bibe | zebalin2 : 'kde' depends on kde-amusements, kdeaddons, kdeadmin, kdeartwork, kdegraphics, kdemultimedia, kdenetwork, kdepim, kdeutils, kdewebdev |
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| 17:26.16 | zebalin2 | So I should NOT choose 'desktop' but 'base system' and do an apt-get after install of? Do I need apt-get kdm? |
| 17:26.25 | JJK | bibe, Even apt-get --purge remove ssh; apt-get install ssh didn't solve it :S |
| 17:26.40 | KLD | dvs: thnx :) |
| 17:26.54 | k8to | i would have thought accepting arbitrary new keys would simply defeat the security model |
| 17:27.01 | k8to | but then again, i don't know where i'm getting the keys from |
| 17:27.08 | bibe | JJK : did you try with 'mv ~/.ssh ~/.ssh_old; ssh localhost'? |
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| 17:27.31 | zebalin2 | There should be a 'cheat sheet' or some site that tells deb-newbies how to do this install. It beats downloading 14 CDs!! |
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| 17:27.33 | JJK | bibe, I first did rm -rf ~/.ssh/ |
| 17:27.41 | k8to | JJK: are you mithro from yesterday? |
| 17:27.55 | stew | zebalin2: no, newbies shoudln't be using a beta installer or using testing at all |
| 17:27.55 | JJK | So the effect should be the same. No, I only use the nick JJK |
| 17:28.02 | JJK | @ bibe |
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| 17:29.30 | bibe | JJK : did you try with a fresh new user? Just to be sure that the problem is in the system configuration and not in the user's |
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| 17:29.53 | zebalin2 | stew: probably correct. I've had many years of experience with linux... just not debian. Coming from Slackware first, then ubuntu. |
| 17:29.59 | JJK | bibe, good clue. I'll immediately try it. |
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| 17:30.38 | k8to | JJK: you could have an ssh daemon floating around |
| 17:30.40 | k8to | user daemon |
| 17:30.43 | zebalin2 | Question: how did kde get screwed in 'testing'. Sid I would understand, but not 'testing.' Anyone have a short answer? |
| 17:31.03 | odla | zebalin2: it's testing...not stable? |
| 17:31.03 | JJK | bibe: adduser test; su - test; ssh localhost: Same problem. |
| 17:31.10 | odla | zebalin2: you didn't have apt-listbugs installed? |
| 17:31.12 | thingfish | zebalin2: why not install sarge, then after you know your way around Debian a little better, you can move to etch if you still want. |
| 17:31.13 | odla | he he |
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| 17:31.46 | andax | can someone point me to a web/man page where I can read about what exactly is "kblockd" and why it's eating up all the cpu time? |
| 17:31.57 | JJK | k8to, I'll stop ssh and then killall it. |
| 17:31.57 | k8to | zebalin2: problems leak into testing sometime |
| 17:32.05 | zebalin2 | thingfish: I don't want to burn 14 CDs !! |
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| 17:32.09 | bibe | zebalin2 : /msg dpkg kde3.4 |
| 17:32.15 | thingfish | zebalin2: you don't need all 14. |
| 17:32.16 | odla | k8to: i.e. gcc transition |
| 17:32.20 | k8to | what's the apt-listbugs thing? |
| 17:32.28 | Eulex | zebalin2, g++ abi transition. thats the short answer |
| 17:32.30 | thingfish | !d-i zebalin2 |
| 17:32.30 | dpkg | zebalin2, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:32.37 | odla | !apt-listbugs |
| 17:32.37 | dpkg | apt-listbugs is, like, a tool currently specific to sid that queries the BTS (/msg apt bts) for known bugs pertaining to packages you try to install... if you then find the bugs to be serious enough, you may choose to hold the old package untill you know the bug is fixed (/msg apt hold) ... to get it, simply "apt-get install apt-listbugs", its a must have tool for all sid users! |
| 17:32.47 | odla | it's also useful for testing users too |
| 17:32.49 | thingfish | zebalin2: use the netinstall method. |
| 17:32.53 | odla | also and too are redundant |
| 17:32.55 | JJK | k8to, no, that's not a solution |
| 17:33.02 | k8to | JJK: i didn't think so :( |
| 17:33.03 | odla | and apt-listchanges |
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| 17:33.23 | k8to | if you use listbugs and listchanges, you will _probably_ be able to avoid most problems |
| 17:33.30 | k8to | by looking at the screen and thinking :) |
| 17:33.31 | bibe | JJK : does 'apt-get remove --purge ssh ' remove all /etc/ssh ? |
| 17:33.33 | odla | k8to: you _may_ |
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| 17:33.43 | ricercar | zebalin2: I don't think you need to burn all of the cd's if you've downloaded the .iso's |
| 17:33.50 | odla | k8to: likely you will...testing is usually pretty stable..relatively |
| 17:33.54 | drivamgr2006 | Hi all. I need some help. Have a friend in another room who has debian sid, just installed and he has nada in the way of sound. Is there anything he needs to review first to get him set up with sound? |
| 17:33.55 | Eulex | k8to, well, but then you need a brain too. |
| 17:33.56 | k8to | odla: well, my phrasing is designed to suggest you will not avoid all of them, and you might not avoid those |
| 17:33.59 | zebalin2 | thingfish: I didn't know there was a sarge installer. Thanks. Maybe I'll go that route. |
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| 17:34.07 | JJK | bibe, I'll try it. It's still broken, so... |
| 17:34.13 | odla | k8to: you'll probably be ok |
| 17:34.30 | k8to | odla: in practice i've only had like one problem in testing with my usage patterns, but i am not a very naive user |
| 17:34.38 | odla | k8to: if you run into problems you'll always have _abortman_ |
| 17:34.41 | drivamgr2006 | cancel my question all. He's got it set up |
| 17:34.46 | drivamgr2006 | thanks anyhoo |
| 17:34.48 | k8to | abortwhat :D |
| 17:34.48 | JJK | bibe, Yes, it does |
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| 17:35.03 | odla | k8to: well then apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges will help you in avoiding known bugs |
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| 17:35.17 | odla | oops i ment abrotman |
| 17:35.24 | k8to | oh that sounds like a person |
| 17:35.25 | ricercar | zebalin2: just attach the .iso's to loop devices and then moun those. |
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| 17:35.33 | JJK | bibe, should I try removing the ssh package from /var/apt/cache? |
| 17:35.42 | JJK | before reinstalling, I mean |
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| 17:35.48 | k8to | JJK: that is a reasoanble action |
| 17:35.51 | odla | k8to: yeah he's this goon who hangs around #debian..kind of a jaded fellow...but helpful |
| 17:35.57 | k8to | JJK: you might want to try just moving it aside |
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| 17:36.16 | gunebakan | Hi all |
| 17:36.20 | JJK | k8to, effect is the same |
| 17:36.21 | ansong | k8to, have the signing keys that i have for http.us.debian.org expired? |
| 17:36.23 | k8to | JJK: sometimes i install an older version out of the cache when i have problems |
| 17:36.32 | gunebakan | I have problem with keyboard on X |
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| 17:36.36 | k8to | ansong: i don't know what is going on |
| 17:36.44 | k8to | ansong: and i don't like that there is no text i can find about it |
| 17:36.47 | gunebakan | Error activating XKB configuration. |
| 17:36.47 | gunebakan | It can happen under various circumstances: |
| 17:36.47 | gunebakan | - a bug in libxklavier library |
| 17:36.47 | gunebakan | - a bug in X server (xkbcomp, xmodmap utilities) |
| 17:36.47 | gunebakan | - X server with incompatible libxkbfile implementation |
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| 17:36.55 | odla | paster! |
| 17:37.07 | Ungy | anyone know the command for clearing a bind dns cache? I can;t remeber it |
| 17:37.27 | JJK | k8to, I've only the newest stable version in my cache |
| 17:37.28 | bbrazil | Ungy: restart bind |
| 17:37.46 | bibe | JJK : are you running ssh? |
| 17:37.51 | odla | tarzeau: b-n-b? |
| 17:37.55 | Ungy | bbrazil, I mean clearing the external cache |
| 17:38.04 | bbrazil | Ungy: as in? |
| 17:38.10 | ricercar | Gotta go, 'bye for now |
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| 17:38.46 | JJK | bibe, What do you exactly mean? |
| 17:39.21 | JJK | bibe, I'm running putty and nomachine |
| 17:39.22 | bibe | JJK : sorry... running sarge? |
| 17:39.42 | Ungy | bbrazil, say Yahoo's IP changed and I wanted to make sure I clear the cache and look it up again |
| 17:40.20 | bbrazil | Ungy: restarting bind will do that. or rndc flush |
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| 17:40.29 | JJK | bibe, yes, and It;s a UML guest system. I've a putty console to the host system, and the guest system (with the problem) is attached to remote console 1 (at which I'm logged onto at the host) |
| 17:40.32 | Ungy | that is it thanks rndc flush |
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| 17:40.43 | Ungy | bbrazil thank you veyr much |
| 17:41.04 | bibe | JJK: sorry, but I have to go @... good luck |
| 17:41.16 | JJK | bibe, Thank you for the time |
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| 17:41.20 | JJK | hmm... too late |
| 17:41.32 | dbw | \quit |
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| 17:41.45 | zimnyx | dbw: try slash |
| 17:42.06 | tarzeau | odla: wait, i need to recover first |
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| 17:42.22 | tarzeau | odla: i think we get the bub-n-bros package today. and paxed made 5 new random level types! |
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| 17:42.30 | tarzeau | odla: this will be BIG. FAT. FUN! LOL |
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| 17:42.57 | bizkit | is there a way to block a certain host or network for all services on my host, without using iptables and without running all services through the tcpwrappers (hosts.deny, hosts.allow) ? |
| 17:43.16 | tarzeau | bizkit: sure |
| 17:43.24 | tarzeau | bizkit: pf or iptables depending on your kernel |
| 17:43.26 | k8to | i see, there is one signing key per year for debian |
| 17:43.33 | tarzeau | bizkit: wait without iptables? |
| 17:43.41 | bizkit | tarzeau: yes, without :-) |
| 17:43.47 | tarzeau | bizkit: how? |
| 17:43.55 | bizkit | tarzeau: this was my question :D |
| 17:44.02 | tarzeau | bizkit: i mean you're like: can i insert this screw without screwdriver? |
| 17:44.19 | tarzeau | bizkit: but can you read your question again and ask yourself how to get a nail in without hammer? |
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| 17:44.36 | tarzeau | bizkit: maybe you can do it when you are /nick jesus |
| 17:44.50 | bizkit | tarzeau: hehe :-) |
| 17:45.14 | bbrazil | bizkit: trivial answer: power off your host |
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| 17:45.42 | bizkit | bbrazil: thanks. but this won't reject a certain host, but all :-) |
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| 17:45.57 | zebalin2 | OK, to install debian it goes like this: boot cd, choose 'base system', write grub to superblock (not mbr.. I'll chainload to it from existing grub), reboot. apt-get update, kde-core, kdm, and then another reboot. Is that it? Yes? |
| 17:46.00 | bbrazil | bizkit: you didn't specify that you didn't want to reject all hosts :) |
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| 17:46.20 | bizkit | bbrazil: "block a certain host or network"? |
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| 17:46.42 | bbrazil | bizkit: yes - you gave no indication as to what you wanted to do with other hosts/networks |
| 17:47.09 | bizkit | yes.. give it to me :) |
| 17:47.22 | tpr | seems that when I enter a dir or list it it works fine, but if I try to delete any files in the dir and the dir itself, my lvm completely jams, how can i get rid of the folder then?! :D |
| 17:47.24 | sep | bizkit, yes you nullroute the host or network |
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| 17:48.03 | tarzeau | AWWWWWRF |
| 17:48.16 | skel | does anyone use a good FOSS helpdesk system that they can recommend? |
| 17:48.17 | tarzeau | someone broke X keyboard input for non-american keyboards! DAMN |
| 17:48.18 | odla | is galeon faster than epiphany? |
| 17:48.25 | bbrazil | skel: request-tracker |
| 17:48.27 | tarzeau | give me a at character please |
| 17:48.31 | bizkit | that's it, thanks sep |
| 17:48.36 | skel | bbrazil: is it luser friendly? |
| 17:48.39 | tarzeau | odla: galeon sucks! try dillo or links2 -g |
| 17:48.41 | Ungy | tarzeau, charmp's are your friends |
| 17:48.42 | bbrazil | skel: yes |
| 17:48.45 | skel | bbrazil: ty :) |
| 17:48.57 | k8to | dpkg blurb does not clearly say, how to correctly install the new 2006 Releases.gpg |
| 17:49.05 | tarzeau | Ungy: i knew about this problem but wanted to test the latest gnustep and build some packages... now i have my gift |
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| 17:49.32 | Ungy | tarzeau, heh well you asked for it ;-) |
| 17:49.32 | k8to | why isn't this automated? Have I something misconfigured? |
| 17:49.41 | bizkit | tarzeau: ever tried dvorak? that's cool |
| 17:49.52 | tarzeau | bizkit: wanna try typespeed with me? |
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| 17:50.24 | bizkit | tarzeau: i'm sure i'll lose with my 7 finger spastic-technique |
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| 17:50.39 | bizkit | @dict technique |
| 17:50.40 | tarzeau | bizkit: what happened to your other 3 fingers? |
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| 17:50.43 | Nippoo | argh |
| 17:50.54 | Nippoo | I've done apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 17:51.00 | bizkit | tarzeau: don't know.. they hang around doing nothing |
| 17:51.03 | Nippoo | where is my linux source directory? |
| 17:51.03 | tarzeau | Nippoo: abort it with ctrl-c ? |
| 17:51.04 | dvs | !beer Nippoo |
| 17:51.07 | tarzeau | Nippoo: /usr/src |
| 17:51.13 | Nippoo | :D |
| 17:51.14 | stew | Nippoo: there is a .tar.bz2 in /usr/src |
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| 17:51.18 | tarzeau | bizkit: you should train them as well |
| 17:51.28 | tarzeau | bizkit: got a guitar? |
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| 17:51.29 | Nippoo | stew: thanks |
| 17:51.46 | Hylyah | . |
| 17:51.47 | stew | bizkit: i would lose to my wife's 6-7 finger spastic-technique |
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| 17:52.11 | dvs | yay! New kernel! |
| 17:52.20 | kspath | I have SEVERE raster burn of the eyes and face |
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| 17:52.32 | bizkit | tarzeau: no, don't own a guitar |
| 17:52.33 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
| 17:52.51 | bizkit | stew: wow |
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| 17:53.27 | stew | bizkit: it drives me nuts to watch her, esp since she doesn't even always hit the same keys with the same fingers |
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| 17:54.15 | bizkit | stew: that's absolutely what i do :> - nobody can understand it, but it works, however my fail-rate is much higher than someone who really trained it.. |
| 17:54.17 | ansong | k8to, trying to follow steps in http://www.debian-administration.org/users/lee/weblog/5 but i think i need to use a different keyserver. you know which ones the signers use? |
| 17:54.33 | k8to | ansong: well for staters, they're referring to the 2005 key |
| 17:54.47 | k8to | ansong: and the method they give for installing it involves going to a page that hasn't been updated |
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| 17:55.02 | k8to | ansong: seconarily, they're doing something messy, putting the key in root's user gpg keyring instead of the apt one |
| 17:55.05 | k8to | secondarily |
| 17:55.15 | k8to | ansong: so i'm not too excited about following those instructions! |
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| 17:55.43 | k8to | i _think_ you can just use apt-key add 6708987698769876987 from the apt output, but I have no idea if that violates the trust model or not |
| 17:55.45 | bizkit | stew: some time ago i remapped my keyboard to dvorak and tried to learn it.. i got it up to J.. the only down-side of dvorak is, you'll find this map only on your own keyboard, after some time i'd be very slow on qwerty/z mappings |
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| 17:56.10 | odla | tarzeau: what's the name of those browsers? dillo and? |
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| 17:56.26 | stew | ansong: /msg dpkg apt-key 2D230C5F |
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| 17:57.05 | odla | links ? |
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| 17:57.15 | stew | bizkit: yeah, same here. |
| 17:57.18 | wakejagr | odla: links2 |
| 17:57.19 | k8to | stew: the key changed because it's 2006. my questions are various: Why isn't the key transmitted via the normal update methods? What is the expected method of updating keys? Where is this documented? |
| 17:57.24 | stew | odla: and w3m |
| 17:57.29 | wakejagr | odla: way too many versions of links out there |
| 17:57.40 | odla | i'll try dillo |
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| 17:58.11 | Deepa | anyway you can make your own repostiry? |
| 17:58.15 | Deepa | repostryi* |
| 17:58.21 | Deepa | bah, thingy which you get stuff from using apt-get |
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| 17:58.53 | tarzeau | odla: links2 |
| 17:58.58 | Ostehovel | (83% of checking the cd-rom integrity) |
| 17:59.00 | tarzeau | odla: start it with xlinks2 or links2 -g |
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| 17:59.20 | bizkit | odla: elinks, enhanced links |
| 17:59.20 | stew | k8to: if the key were automatically accespted it would defaat some of the purposes; it should be documented in /usr/share/doc/apt but it looks like it isn't yet, "/msg dpkg apt secure" if you haven't already |
| 17:59.23 | tarzeau | wakejagr: elinks and links 1.x .. |
| 17:59.31 | odla | tarzeau: i'm trying dillo |
| 17:59.35 | odla | tarzeau: it's pretty speedy |
| 17:59.43 | tarzeau | wakejagr: anything else? there's a hacked one, but nonmaintained and not in debian. only 2.x is graphical |
| 17:59.44 | k8to | stew: i did. one of the links is broken, the other contains obvious errors |
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| 17:59.55 | stew | k8to: what errors? did you write the author? |
| 17:59.56 | tarzeau | odla: try links2, even speadier, if you find the f9 menu and other shortcuts |
| 18:00.06 | tarzeau | odla: also works without x! (fb or svgalib) |
| 18:00.11 | k8to | stew: the people who commented on the article pointed out the errors already |
| 18:00.17 | k8to | stew: do you think I should do so again? |
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| 18:00.23 | wakejagr | tarzeau: that might be all of them. i really like elinks |
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| 18:00.39 | odla | tarzeau: links2 isn't a gui is it? it's console based? |
| 18:00.47 | k8to | stew: the instructions say how to install the 2005 release key in root's private keyring |
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| 18:00.49 | tarzeau | odla: it's both! |
| 18:00.57 | sbk | (Is this in some FAQ?) Is it possible to upgrade only the subset of packages which have new versions due to a security-related change? |
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| 18:01.03 | k8to | stew: well, i don't need the 2005 rlease key, and it doesn't belong in root's private keyring! |
| 18:01.04 | tarzeau | odla: try links2 -g, -g is like -giganticallyfantasticgraphicalstuff |
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| 18:01.23 | cesar | nassssssssss |
| 18:01.41 | cesar | hay alguien??? |
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| 18:01.46 | tarzeau | !es |
| 18:01.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:02.02 | k8to | stew: and yeah, i did look at /usr/share/doc... apt and apt-doc before haranguing here |
| 18:02.15 | odla | tarzeau: wow that is fast |
| 18:02.22 | k8to | stew: it's mentioned in the changelogs! |
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| 18:02.24 | anapivirtua_ | lo tlm |
| 18:02.30 | MrFaber | hi all |
| 18:02.32 | cesar | alguien de españa?? |
| 18:02.36 | MrFaber | Has anyone experiences with touchpads and scrolling with two fingers like Mac OS? |
| 18:02.40 | cesar | hi Mr |
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| 18:02.49 | MrFaber | hi cesar :) |
| 18:02.51 | janez | cesar, #debian-es |
| 18:02.53 | sep | sbk, apt-get install package would upgrade just that package and it's dependencies |
| 18:02.55 | Ostehovel | I have expreiences with touchpad... |
| 18:02.56 | Ostehovel | :P |
| 18:02.57 | tarzeau | MrFaber: keep rubbing the pad |
| 18:02.58 | Ostehovel | i have a laptop |
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| 18:03.02 | stew | k8to: ok so your complaint is that the documented wasn't updated yet this week? |
| 18:03.05 | Ostehovel | i use it now |
| 18:03.18 | ecliptik | can you start a program as nobody if the account nobody doesn't exist? |
| 18:03.27 | k8to | stew: no, i would complain that a) it wasn't documented in the past 2 years it's been in the process of being deployed |
| 18:03.28 | tarzeau | ecliptik: no |
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| 18:03.30 | stew | k8to: have all the debian repositories been resigned with the 2006 key already? including the sarge/woody repositories? |
| 18:03.39 | ecliptik | tarzeau, then how does apache run as nobody? |
| 18:03.44 | stew | k8to: it has only been deployed for a few months, not 2 years |
| 18:03.46 | tarzeau | ecliptik: that's like using a screwdriver without a screwdriver |
| 18:04.01 | MrFaber | Ostehovel: i can scrolling with the right side of my touchpad but it often produces mistakes when I try to move the mouse but click on the scroll part |
| 18:04.16 | MrFaber | Ostehovel: scrolling with two fingers is much more better for this imho |
| 18:04.17 | k8to | stew: that depends upon which distribution you refer to. However, i said "in the process", meaning it's been on the cards and specced out since 2004 |
| 18:04.25 | tarzeau | ecliptik: you do have a user nobody |
| 18:04.27 | k8to | stew: the code was written in 2004 |
| 18:04.30 | tarzeau | ecliptik: if it runs as nobody |
| 18:04.32 | k8to | stew: at least, the mockup! |
| 18:04.53 | stew | k8to: you think they should have put the documentation in /usr/share/doc/apt-doc before it was even available? or what? is it currently docuemnted in /usr/share/doc/apt-doc? |
| 18:04.54 | k8to | stew: anyway, complaint b) is, i have no clue whether any of the means suggested by various parties actually follow in the existing trust model |
| 18:04.56 | sbk | sep: understood -- but is there a way then to isolate a list of packages which have been updated due to a security-related patch? |
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| 18:05.22 | k8to | stew: i would think one could sign the current key with the prior one! |
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| 18:05.35 | ecliptik | tarzeau, okay, it is there how does it run if it's shell is fake? like nologin? |
| 18:05.43 | k8to | stew: complaint c) is there's nowhere to look for information about current problems |
| 18:05.55 | stew | k8to: there isnt? |
| 18:05.55 | sep | sbk, ... hummm perhaps using policy, and look for packages installed from security.debian.org ? |
| 18:05.59 | stew | k8to: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 18:06.06 | k8to | stew: where do i look for "what's going on in debian" |
| 18:06.10 | stew | k8to: did you offer up any documentation patches? |
| 18:06.17 | k8to | NOT YET! |
| 18:06.24 | k8to | that is irrelevant though |
| 18:06.30 | tarzeau | ecliptik: easily |
| 18:06.39 | tarzeau | ecliptik: you want to read some unix c book |
| 18:06.42 | stew | k8to: /msg dpkg dwn ; read debian-devel mailing list debian-devel-announce and debian-announce mailing lists |
| 18:06.51 | ecliptik | tarzeau, that's not easily |
| 18:06.54 | k8to | there are problems that are not in any way package specific, so i'm supposed to look at filed bugs on a per package basis for all problems? this is clearly insufficient |
| 18:06.57 | tarzeau | ecliptik: yes, it's very easily |
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| 18:07.06 | sbk | sep: ok -- thanks |
| 18:07.06 | k8to | stew: yes, go to 5 places, and all of them focus on unstable |
| 18:07.13 | jazzmanss | ntpdate is set to the wrong timezone? how can I change it to pacific standard time? i.e. right now it says it's 18:06, instead of 10:06 |
| 18:07.17 | k8to | stew: that's what's wrong |
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| 18:07.32 | stew | k8to: none of this affects stable at all, only testing and unstable |
| 18:07.35 | k8to | stew: if keeping on top of the status of debian was a FULL TIME JOB then that would be reasonable |
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| 18:07.45 | spotted | Hello |
| 18:07.45 | stew | k8to: you should be running stable then |
| 18:07.52 | k8to | yes, and the people who run testing or unstable are the unwawshed masses and should get no help |
| 18:07.57 | stew | k8to: and read the realease notes and install guide when etch is released |
| 18:07.57 | spotted | I found out some oss drivers for my network card as ndiswrapper sux for kismet |
| 18:07.58 | odla | tarzeau: do you run stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 18:08.08 | stew | k8to: you aren't getting help? |
| 18:08.11 | sep | jazzmanss, didn't think ntp cared about timezones, tzconfig |
| 18:08.12 | spotted | they are compressed in the rpm format. |
| 18:08.18 | spotted | I used alien to convert rpm to deb |
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| 18:08.23 | tpr | im stuck listing a dir on my lvm, cant I recover from this except by rebooting? |
| 18:08.25 | neotheone | hey |
| 18:08.26 | tarzeau | odla: personally unstable (sometimes with experimental) and often lots of own packages. at work stable generally. but it all can vary |
| 18:08.28 | aaronlin | where can I go to find help about gnumeric? |
| 18:08.30 | spotted | I installed them but I dunno where it located the contents. |
| 18:08.30 | stew | k8to: dude i'm putting in a bunch of effort here to try to point you towards getting help |
| 18:08.33 | neotheone | can anyone advise me a upnp media server for debian?? |
| 18:08.34 | k8to | stew: well when i point out there's no good source of information for testing and unstable users, you say "run stable", which doesn't address the problem |
| 18:08.36 | tarzeau | aaronlin: irc.gnome.org |
| 18:08.36 | spotted | Can anyone tell me how to find it out? |
| 18:08.40 | aaronlin | tarzeau: thanks |
| 18:08.47 | k8to | stew: it triest to pretend it isn't a problem |
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| 18:08.52 | stew | k8to: i've pointed you to many good sources of information |
| 18:08.58 | stew | k8to: you seem to just want to complain |
| 18:08.58 | kspath | timezoneconf - debconf interface to system timezone, date, and time |
| 18:09.08 | k8to | reading 5 developer mailing lists is not a good source of information for people who are not debian developers. period. |
| 18:09.09 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 18:09.11 | elephantMan | Can i setup a DNS server on 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 18:09.13 | odla | tarzeau: i see |
| 18:09.19 | k8to | stew: i'm grinding an axe, yes, but it's a valid issue |
| 18:09.20 | jazzmanss | sec, thank you! that was driving me nuts. |
| 18:09.46 | tarzeau | elephantMan: i can |
| 18:09.46 | k8to | stew: I _still_ don't know how to update my keys, should i just wait a few weeks until other people complain? |
| 18:09.48 | stew | k8to: what piece of information have you not yet found, i'd be happy to help you find it |
| 18:09.55 | sep | k8to, the point is that people should use stable until they can handle testing or unstab le without howtos, cheatsheets and tutorials. where actualy man pages and /usr/share/doc's will be sufficient |
| 18:09.55 | stew | k8to: man apt-key |
| 18:09.57 | tarzeau | elephantMan: one listen on... |
| 18:10.13 | k8to | stew: i can SEE how to add a key with apt-key, but i have NO idea if that has any trust model surrounding it |
| 18:10.19 | tarzeau | odla: like links2? |
| 18:10.21 | k8to | stew: further, it doesn't say where to get the keys |
| 18:10.40 | jazzmanss | sep, thanks. that fixed it. |
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| 18:10.47 | stew | k8to: you can get them from the debian-keyring package |
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| 18:10.58 | odla | tarzeau: it's pretty cool |
| 18:10.59 | k8to | stew: is that the recommended method? |
| 18:11.04 | odla | tarzeau: it seems to do the same things that dillo can |
| 18:11.09 | tarzeau | odla: try shift-g |
| 18:11.10 | stew | k8to: yes, as it says in the apt-key manpage |
| 18:11.21 | k8to | it was specifically recommended _against_ by the article |
| 18:11.29 | k8to | which dpkg links to |
| 18:11.34 | k8to | so forgive me for being uncertain |
| 18:11.38 | stew | k8to: which article |
| 18:11.45 | k8to | /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 18:11.48 | odla | tarzeau: thanks ;) |
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| 18:12.00 | k8to | okay so |
| 18:12.00 | stew | k8to: that links to two articles |
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| 18:12.11 | k8to | the first is a broken link |
| 18:12.13 | k8to | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! debian-keyring |
| 18:12.16 | k8to | woohoo |
| 18:12.17 | stew | k8to: do you mind fixing that then? |
| 18:12.19 | odla | tarzeau: how do i navigate backwards? shift-b? |
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| 18:12.24 | k8to | stew: fixing it how? |
| 18:12.26 | tarzeau | odla: backspace |
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| 18:12.31 | stew | k8to: remove the link from the factoid |
| 18:12.38 | tarzeau | odla: tried f9 yet? |
| 18:12.39 | k8to | stew: i don't know how to manipulate your bot |
| 18:12.47 | k8to | stew: i would have expected i have no priveledge to do so |
| 18:12.53 | tarzeau | odla: you can also use the mouse... |
| 18:12.53 | odla | tarzeau: yeah f9...the menu at the top |
| 18:13.02 | stew | k8to: the bot doesn't require priveleges |
| 18:13.14 | tarzeau | odla: this is the 2nd browser with usable bookmark handling |
| 18:13.26 | k8to | i'm loathe to change it, because i have no suggested course of action to change it to |
| 18:13.39 | nemontemi | is there any rescue disk, or something like that, in the debian sarge? |
| 18:13.43 | Ostehovel | (Opera is a good webbrowser...) |
| 18:13.54 | tarzeau | Ostehovel: nightmare gui |
| 18:13.57 | k8to | i could say: "use the debian-keyring" package, but for peopel encountering the problem, that will be unauthenticatable |
| 18:14.13 | k8to | stew: which seems a poor way to build a trust model! |
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| 18:14.52 | Ostehovel | What best? Grub or Lilo? what the different? |
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| 18:15.12 | tarzeau | Ostehovel: GRUB |
| 18:15.16 | k8to | fwiw, my apt-key manpage does not mention debian-keyring |
| 18:15.40 | Ostehovel | ok |
| 18:15.42 | Ostehovel | I use Grub |
| 18:15.49 | stew | k8to: ok, do you know how to import a key from the debian keyring server or from mit pgp server? |
| 18:15.56 | Ostehovel | (Installing Grub) |
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| 18:16.10 | k8to | stew: i have seen recipes for doing "things", but I do not know what they are doing |
| 18:16.24 | k8to | stew: as in, i don't know what the contents of the urls etc are |
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| 18:16.41 | stew | !apt-secure =~ s#http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see## |
| 18:16.41 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see', stew |
| 18:16.45 | k8to | stew: and they've been for last year etc, so i guess i sort of have a hint |
| 18:17.04 | aaronlin | any of you have problems with Gnumeric 1.4.3? |
| 18:17.22 | stew | k8to: read /usr/share/doc/gnupg/* for documentation about how keyserver work |
| 18:18.11 | stew | k8to: what version of the apt package do you have installed |
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| 18:18.31 | k8to | stew: apt-get says: 0.6.43 for linux i386 compiled on Nov 29 2005 00:30:17 |
| 18:18.31 | Ostehovel | I must install the hole linux again.... |
| 18:18.42 | odla | tarzeau: i think i'll be using links2 and dillo from now on (when i can) |
| 18:18.50 | stew | k8to: then you apt-key manpage does tell you where to find the debian keyrings |
| 18:18.53 | ansong | k8to, what gets me is that the ziyi key is supposed to be good until jan 31 |
| 18:19.08 | stouset | Is there a problem with Debian's repository keys? I apt-key added the new ones, but I'm told that the sigs are invalid. |
| 18:19.17 | k8to | stew: it says some things. you said it referred to debian-keyring, which it does not |
| 18:19.27 | ansong | stouset, which keys did you add? |
| 18:19.45 | k8to | i don't really know what a 'debian archive trusted key' is, i'm not a debian developer |
| 18:19.52 | stew | k8to: i'm very very sory, i should have said "Keyring of debian" instead of "debian-keyring" very sory |
| 18:19.56 | stouset | ansong: Oh, crap. Last year's. :D |
| 18:20.14 | k8to | stew: all i was saying was: it did not suggest a particular package to me |
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| 18:20.29 | stew | k8to: really sounds like you shouldn't be running the development version of debian |
| 18:20.34 | k8to | stew: I assumed that the FILES it refers to are provided by the application, as normal |
| 18:20.44 | stew | k8to: i'm really trying to be helpful here, and you just seem to want to complain, i'm going to quit now |
| 18:20.52 | stew | k8to: complain away... |
| 18:20.57 | k8to | stew: i'm just responding to your questions/etc |
| 18:20.59 | k8to | at this point |
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| 18:21.05 | k8to | i ground my axe earlier! |
| 18:21.13 | odla | tarzeau: do you want to play a game? |
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| 18:21.29 | stew | k8to: you don't want help, you don't want to help, you just want to complain, its really just a waste of time you know |
| 18:21.33 | jarango | once I enable vesafb how do I enabe the pinguin logo ? |
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| 18:21.38 | ansong | stew, be helpful this direction! same problem |
| 18:21.42 | spotted | Does anyone know if there's some project for the wireless inprocomm network adapter? |
| 18:21.46 | k8to | i'm okay with you washing your hands of me, because you have no obligation, but your pretense that I a) don't want help, and b) nondebian experts should not run testing, are both silly |
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| 18:22.08 | k8to | stew: i want to know how to install the new release key in a trusted mode |
| 18:22.15 | stew | ansong: did you try /msg dpkg apt-key 2D230C5F? |
| 18:22.23 | k8to | stew: secondarily, I am not impressed with the current situation, although I am not trying to focus on this at present! |
| 18:22.59 | k8to | stew: i think the current situation leaves a lot of room for social engineering holes |
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| 18:24.12 | ansong | stew, yes. http://pastebin.com/488966 |
| 18:24.30 | stouset | ansong: Hm, not finding the new Debian key anywhere. |
| 18:24.46 | k8to | oh well |
| 18:25.00 | kspath | I really do not understand the obsession with running testing/unstable I am running Debian Linux and like to avoid downtime and failures and brokeness why risk brokeness unless you also have 1 or more other machines running stable |
| 18:25.06 | ansong | stouset, that's the problem k8to and myself are facing as well. |
| 18:25.30 | stouset | ansong: Doesn't appear to be on keyring.d.o |
| 18:25.41 | Ostehovel | what best? ext3 or ext2? |
| 18:25.47 | stew | ansong: use keyring.debian.org instead of subkeys.pgp.net |
| 18:25.47 | KLD | its not a production machine .. so you can use either testing or unstable |
| 18:25.54 | KLD | I use testing on my laptop |
| 18:26.12 | stouset | stew: k.d.o doesn't have it. |
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| 18:26.25 | KLD | has all the latest updates on it so I can use it as its supposed to be used :S |
| 18:26.30 | sep | Ostehovel, unless you enjoy fsck use ext3 |
| 18:26.38 | k8to | kspath: stable is a very good choice for production servers! |
| 18:26.55 | sep | Ostehovel, but they are basicaly the same with ext3 have an additional journal. |
| 18:26.56 | ansong | stew, same message. it doesn't have it. |
| 18:27.11 | kspath | Guess I am just wierd no time for having any machines acting strange not even non-production |
| 18:27.18 | PupenoL | In a Makefile I want to generate a.pdf, a.dvi and a.ps for each present (or listed in a variable) a.lyx, any ideas ? |
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| 18:27.32 | Ostehovel | (Im very n00b) |
| 18:27.45 | stouset | PupenoL: Export the .lyx from within LyX to a .tex file. |
| 18:27.51 | dvs | Ostehovel: ext3 |
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| 18:28.00 | k8to | kspath: sometimes old versions of software "act strange" :-) |
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| 18:28.16 | stouset | Ostehovel: If you're this new, why are you worrying about things like filesystem type? Accept the defaults and move on. |
| 18:28.19 | odla | anyone wanna play a game of bub-n-bros (bub-n-bros.sourceforge.net)? |
| 18:28.22 | PupenoL | stouset: I don't think that will have anything to do with writing a Makefile. Thanks. |
| 18:28.35 | dvs | stouset: You should have said XFS ;-) |
| 18:28.36 | stouset | PupenoL: It does. Because at that point, you can run pdflatex, or tex2ps, etc. |
| 18:28.57 | odla | tarzeau: i think bub-n-bros is packaged for debian already |
| 18:28.58 | ansong | kspath, unless lots of people didn't feel like you, you wouldn't have a nice stable sarge to begin with ;) |
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| 18:29.10 | PupenoL | stouset: I can already do that with the .lyx, I would still have to generate the filenames in the same way be it .lyx or .tex. |
| 18:29.24 | kspath | k8to: I act strange already so I do not notice them most of the time plus I am working on minimal installs with tty/ncurses/console interfaces for as many things as possible no audio no video maybe minimal Xwindows for terms on workstations |
| 18:29.29 | stouset | PupenoL: If lyx doesn't have a cli frontend that you can use as a filter, then you'll have to export your .lyx files to .tex first, and have the Makefile do .tex => .pdf,.ps,.dvi, etc. |
| 18:29.32 | kevix | hello and happy $year++, anyone know how to use the xcompmgr, I dont know what to do to get the new fancy extensions. |
| 18:29.39 | kspath | ansong: good point |
| 18:29.43 | stouset | PupenoL: Oh. I thought that's what you were asking. |
| 18:29.50 | neotheone | can anyone advise me a upnp media server for debian?? |
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| 18:29.54 | PupenoL | stouset: but lyx has a frontend, I already solved that problem. Let me rephrase the question. |
| 18:29.58 | k8to | kspath: those programs are generally more mature, yeah |
| 18:30.11 | odla | tarzeau: isn't gnu.ethz.ch your site? it has a bubnbros-minimal-1.4-1_all.deb? |
| 18:30.20 | k8to | kspath: but you know, i am developing python software. doing this with python 2.2 is not what I want to be doing |
| 18:30.21 | stouset | PupenoL: make a rule for *.lyx |
| 18:30.29 | PupenoL | In a Makefile I want to generate a list containing a.ext1, a.ext2 and a.ext3 for each present (or listed in a variable) a.ext, any ideas ? |
| 18:30.43 | stouset | PupenoL: Aaah. |
| 18:30.57 | pcharky | Hello people, I'm having problems preventing certain modules (agpgart, nvidia_agp) from loading, I've blacklisted them in hotplug, aliased them to off in /ect/modultils/alias (and rand update-modules), I don't have discovery installed and they still load. Please help. |
| 18:31.12 | Eulex | k8to, both 2.3 and 2.4 is in sarge. |
| 18:31.21 | Eulex | *are |
| 18:31.26 | tarzeau | odla: yeah we can play later... |
| 18:31.31 | k8to | Eulex: i guess i could manually launch |
| 18:31.32 | tarzeau | odla: it's packaged where? |
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| 18:31.40 | kspath | ansong: I understand experimenting but there are limits to what is useful especially with #debian scolling guess I need to switch off my caffiene drip |
| 18:31.45 | tarzeau | odla: ah no, that was just a start, that won't go into debian |
| 18:31.59 | PupenoL | Is there another channel where a Makefile question would be on-topic ? |
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| 18:32.10 | tarzeau | PupenoL: yes there is |
| 18:32.12 | Eulex | k8to, even in stable the default one is 2.3. |
| 18:32.17 | janez | hi all, i have put the update testing repositories of debian testing security team, but i put aptitude update two times and, W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
| 18:32.17 | stouset | PupenoL: If you can run shell commands in a makefile, set a var equal to: "for FILE in `ls *.ext | cut -d. -f1`; do echo $FILE.{ext1,ext2,ext3}; done" |
| 18:32.18 | tarzeau | PupenoL: it can be found via the C channel |
| 18:32.20 | PupenoL | tarzeau: which one ? |
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| 18:32.26 | tarzeau | PupenoL: i don't remember |
| 18:32.33 | k8to | Eulex: neat |
| 18:32.34 | PupenoL | thanks. |
| 18:32.40 | odla | tarzeau: oh |
| 18:32.43 | Eulex | PupenoL, ##c, maybe? |
| 18:32.49 | odla | tarzeau: sure i'll play later |
| 18:32.51 | kevix | hello and happy $year++, anyone know how to use the xcompmgr, I dont know what to do to get the new fancy extensions. |
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| 18:33.21 | Eulex | kevix, have you got a gfx card and an X driver that supports composite? |
| 18:33.21 | Thanatermesis | how to search all packages to have dependencies of foo package ? |
| 18:33.33 | Eulex | Thanatermesis, apt-cache rdepends pkgname |
| 18:33.43 | Thanatermesis | thanks =) |
| 18:33.44 | Eulex | Thanatermesis, reverse dependencies |
| 18:33.48 | Eulex | Thanatermesis, yw |
| 18:33.49 | tarzeau | Eulex: you play too? |
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| 18:34.00 | Eulex | tarzeau, maybe |
| 18:34.09 | kevix | Eulex, I need new hardware? I've got a basic nvidia. what a gfx card? |
| 18:34.11 | tarzeau | just be in #bub-n-bros |
| 18:34.39 | Ostehovel | (I have a ati radeon 9700 128mb, on my pc :P) |
| 18:34.54 | zebalin2 | Does net-installer for etch still only have the generic i386 kernel, per faq: The netinst CD image includes only the generic i386 kernel, so if you're using that you will always have install the proper kernel for your system manually after the installation. |
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| 18:35.11 | Eulex | kevix, that will do. what gfx driver are you using? |
| 18:35.31 | dvs | zebalin2: When installing.... |
| 18:35.41 | kevix | Eulex, I guess I dont know. What should I look for (thankx) |
| 18:35.42 | Eulex | zebalin2, yep |
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| 18:36.00 | kilo | What app can play dvds in Debian 3.1, just tried totem and failed complaining about permissions, but fstab looks fine |
| 18:36.04 | Eulex | kevix, are you on stable or testing/unstable? |
| 18:36.14 | zebalin2 | dvs: after the install I can just apt-get the kernel for 686? |
| 18:36.21 | dvs | zebalin2: Yep |
| 18:36.27 | ansong | kilo, is ogle available? |
| 18:36.28 | zebalin2 | dvs: is it worthwhile to do so? |
| 18:36.29 | pcharky | kilo: are you in the plugdev group? |
| 18:36.34 | kevix | Eulex, unstable. |
| 18:36.49 | Eulex | kevix, what driver does your xorg.conf say that you're using? |
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| 18:36.57 | dvs | zebalin2: Of course. Just get through the install and customize later. |
| 18:37.00 | Ostehovel | (It is Norwegian Bokmål as language selection in Debian... THat i love...) |
| 18:37.11 | kilo | pcharky, not sure what your on about? |
| 18:37.25 | kilo | ansong, ogle, if apt-get can grab it |
| 18:37.35 | kevix | Eulex, nvidia |
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| 18:37.59 | pcharky | kilo: Eh, sorry, I had the same problem, and I solved it by adding myself to either plugdev or hal, don't recall exactly.. i think plugdev. |
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| 18:38.12 | Ostehovel | Are it posible to get norwegian bokmål as the language in debian/linux? |
| 18:38.32 | Eulex | Ostehovel, I believe so. dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:38.32 | kilo | pcharky, apt-get install plugdev? |
| 18:38.41 | Ostehovel | ok |
| 18:38.41 | Ostehovel | :P |
| 18:38.47 | Ostehovel | i will try after the installation... |
| 18:38.48 | pcharky | kilo: adduser youruser plugdev |
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| 18:39.15 | kilo | pcharky, ah |
| 18:39.20 | teknoprep | would it be possible to use debain to make an RPM for redhat? |
| 18:39.30 | teknoprep | so i don't have to have another devel machine? |
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| 18:39.40 | Eulex | kevix, then you should be using the binary nvidia driver. have you enabled composite in your xorg.conf? |
| 18:39.45 | kilo | pcharky, Already a member of plugdev |
| 18:39.54 | kevix | Ostehovel: you know that you can choose different setting in local: date format, sort format, error message: check 'locale' |
| 18:39.56 | Daedalus_ | teknoprep: Uh, almost anything is possible..... but I think it would be a very very bad idea |
| 18:39.56 | Eulex | teknoprep, possible: yes, recommended: no |
| 18:39.57 | Ostehovel | Trknopreg: I think so... but i dont know how... |
| 18:40.07 | teknoprep | damnit |
| 18:40.11 | teknoprep | i understand possible |
| 18:40.13 | pcharky | kilo: when you mount the dvd first, and then open the disc in totem, does that work? |
| 18:40.16 | teknoprep | but i was looking for recomended |
| 18:40.23 | Daedalus_ | *nods* |
| 18:40.24 | teknoprep | i'll just start using vmware install's again.. |
| 18:40.24 | teknoprep | damn |
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| 18:40.43 | Ostehovel | Im installing Linux Under Bochs(Emulator) |
| 18:40.45 | Ostehovel | :P |
| 18:40.45 | Ostehovel | now |
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| 18:40.50 | kilo | pcharky, thats how I have been doing it. will su root and try from there |
| 18:41.12 | kevix | Eulex, I just found: nvidia-glx 1.0.7174. on my box.how to activate. |
| 18:41.36 | Eulex | teknoprep, not recommended as debian has other versions of stuff than whatever distro you are targetting. |
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| 18:41.43 | Eulex | kevix, you're already using it. |
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| 18:42.12 | kevix | Eulex: so I dont need to have any thing added to xorg.conf |
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| 18:42.45 | Eulex | kevix, you do, as you need to activate composite manually |
| 18:43.00 | stew | stouset: is it in debian-keyring? |
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| 18:43.05 | kevix | Eulex: OK! so do tell... |
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| 18:44.10 | Eulex | kevix, you need to add the following to the end of your xorg.conf: |
| 18:44.12 | Eulex | Section "Extensions" |
| 18:44.12 | Eulex | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.12 | Eulex | EndSection |
| 18:45.03 | Eulex | kevix, and if you want it to be even remotely useful speed-wise you need to add the following to the Device section in your xorg.conf: |
| 18:45.05 | Eulex | Option "RenderAccel" "true" |
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| 18:46.23 | Eulex | kevix, here's some useful info about it (just ignore the gentoo emerge stuff): http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Transparency |
| 18:46.34 | kevix | Eulex: doing it as we speak! Will need to restart X soon... |
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| 18:46.43 | goron | Evolution crashes when I click on a contact... :-( |
| 18:47.17 | Eulex | kevix, also, you will have to compile xcompmgr and transset manually, as they aren't packaged in debian. |
| 18:48.00 | lost-bit|idle | Anyone know a good Debian beginner book? |
| 18:48.02 | stouset | stew: Doesn't look like it. |
| 18:48.34 | kevix | Eulex: I apt-got xcompmgr ... not sure about transet ... |
| 18:48.42 | Eulex | kevix, I've heard that composite can be unstable with the nvidia binary drivers, so don't get surprised if it looks up your computer... |
| 18:48.54 | Nippoo | !beer Nippoo |
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| 18:49.17 | kevix | Eulex: its closed-source, what else would I expect... |
| 18:49.24 | Eulex | kevix, ah, sorry, then they are in debian. hmm, then why didn't apt-file find it? |
| 18:49.51 | kevix | Eulex: IIRC apt-file DB is not regularly updated.... |
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| 18:50.02 | Trigger13 | Eulex, they are in experimental |
| 18:50.03 | ralphitz | Hi - hope I am in accordance with channel policies. I am trying to install ubuntu on my mac mini, with at pc keyboard. My problem is, that although pressing 'c' during startup or alt-"win"-o-f, it does not boot from cd - any help would be appreciated. Thanks |
| 18:50.09 | Eulex | kevix, no. probably haven't updated it in a while |
| 18:50.11 | asg | kevix: apt-file must be manually updated |
| 18:50.18 | asg | kevix: i.e. apt-file update |
| 18:50.27 | Eulex | Trigger13, yep |
| 18:50.31 | Ronin | goron: testing/unstable by any chance? |
| 18:50.39 | kevix | asg: ok. thankxs |
| 18:50.43 | Nippoo | ralphitz - this is a Debian channel, you might want to try an Ubuntu channel |
| 18:50.44 | goron | Ronin: of course. |
| 18:50.50 | Ostehovel | !beer Ostehovel |
| 18:50.54 | goron | Ronin: but Stable also contains bugs... |
| 18:50.57 | Nippoo | #ubuntu for example |
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| 18:51.14 | Ronin | goron: wow still not fixed in testing? stable bugs? none here |
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| 18:51.37 | Nippoo | anyhow |
| 18:51.41 | Ostehovel | :P |
| 18:51.48 | ralphitz | Nippoo: i just realized - well, at this point, the distro doesn't really matter - any help would be really nice ... |
| 18:51.52 | Nippoo | :D |
| 18:51.53 | Eulex | kevix, you'll probably also want to add Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" to the device section of your xorg.conf. |
| 18:51.55 | goron | Ronin: not evolution, but something else. Claiming Stable has no bugs is silly. |
| 18:52.04 | Nippoo | kk |
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| 18:52.20 | Nippoo | well hmm, actually looking at your problem, it probably isn't a problem with Linux |
| 18:52.32 | Nippoo | 2 things; have you downloaded the specific PowerPC version? |
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| 18:52.42 | Nippoo | and have you configured your mac to boot form CD? |
| 18:52.44 | Ostehovel | Waiting on Linux to continue..... |
| 18:52.57 | bass | how do i install jre on debian_ |
| 18:53.01 | dvs | Ostehovel: Why are you beering yourself? |
| 18:53.06 | dvs | !java |
| 18:53.06 | dpkg | methinks java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 18:53.33 | Ostehovel | ... |
| 18:53.54 | Ronin | goron: used to run testing and i had that problem with evolution, after waiting for 2+ months with no fix in sight i gave up and "upgraded" to stable |
| 18:53.55 | Ostehovel | Dvs: Must have something to drink when waiting on the Linux installation to continue... :P |
| 18:54.02 | albo | why http://pastebin.com/488998 |
| 18:54.21 | Nippoo | :D |
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| 18:54.29 | tarzeau | anyone join http://bub-n-bros.sf.net now? #bub-n-bros |
| 18:54.38 | Nippoo | I'm trying to install ALSA. I apt-got linux-source, unzipped it, and copied the dir to /usr/src/linux. |
| 18:54.55 | Nippoo | Then downloaded ALSA, but when I try to ./configure it; |
| 18:55.14 | Nippoo | it comes up with "can't find /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h |
| 18:55.17 | Eulex | !wayc Nippoo |
| 18:55.17 | dpkg | Nippoo: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 18:55.27 | albo | does pgrep really not search for patterns http://pastebin.com/488998 |
| 18:55.35 | Nippoo | That dir exists, there are lots of files in it, but no version.h |
| 18:55.46 | Eulex | Nippoo, also, alsa is included in all 2.6 kernels. |
| 18:55.56 | Nippoo | dpkg: I need to use custom configure flags. |
| 18:55.59 | Nippoo | OMG |
| 18:56.03 | Nippoo | I've just talked to a bot. |
| 18:56.05 | Nippoo | :S |
| 18:56.19 | Nippoo | now that's sad |
| 18:56.22 | Eulex | Nippoo, for the user-space routines or the kernel modules? |
| 18:56.25 | dvs | !lart Nippoo |
| 18:56.48 | stew | albo: pgrep -f cgi |
| 18:56.48 | Eulex | Nippoo, what kernel is this? |
| 18:56.54 | Nippoo | Eulex: 2.6 |
| 18:57.11 | Eulex | Nippoo, then it's included in the kernel sources. |
| 18:57.13 | Nippoo | basically I'm trying to get my SB Audigy Live! to work |
| 18:57.43 | Nippoo | and I need to ./configure --with-cards=emu10k1 --with-sequencer=yes |
| 18:58.06 | stew | albo: actually i misread your log, i'm not sure what's going on |
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| 18:58.24 | dvs | Nippoo: If you're using a 2.6 kernel, why are you trying to compile ALSA/ |
| 18:58.26 | stew | Nippoo: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:58.35 | neuterspay | What's the difference between usr/azureus and home/dutch/.azureus/torrents and home/dutch/azureus/torrents? |
| 18:58.51 | albo | stew: i think -f didi it |
| 18:59.10 | bizkit | albo: pgrep *cgi* should have done it, too |
| 18:59.12 | ralphitz | Nippoo: yeah, I got the PPC version - and i boots fine on my Powerbook, but I simply can't get the mini to boot from a cd - I think it is related to the fact that I'm using a PC keyboard .. |
| 18:59.21 | stew | albo: that might be a bug then |
| 18:59.43 | bass | is there a way to install jre using apt-get? |
| 18:59.50 | bizkit | stew: why? the process name is fcgi-p, not cgi |
| 19:00.00 | Eulex | Nippoo, I'm almost sure that the precompiled alsa kernel modules and userspace utilities include support for emu10k1 and sequencers. have you tried just running alsaconf? |
| 19:00.22 | Eulex | ralphitz, this is not #ubuntu. we have no idea why ubuntu's installer would fail on ppc. |
| 19:00.32 | stew | bizkit: it should matchi anywya, for instance run "pgrep -l nit" and you should still get "init" |
| 19:00.48 | neuterspay | Can somebody please help me? I want to know what the difference between dutch/.azureus/torrents and dutch/azureus/torrents is. |
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| 19:00.59 | dvs | !tell bass -about install java |
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| 19:01.29 | bizkit | stew: true |
| 19:01.30 | ralphitz | Eulex - I know - well, at this point, the distro doesn't really matter - any help would be really nice ... |
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| 19:02.07 | stew | albo: bizkit: it looks like having an explicit path means it cannot be matched ever with pgrep without the -f which i'd consider broken |
| 19:02.08 | ralphitz | Eulex: I simply can't get the mini to boot from a cd - I think it is related to the fact that I'm using a PC keyboard .. |
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| 19:03.00 | Eulex | ralphitz, umh... if it's related to hardware, that's not very on-topic either... maybe #hardware or some powerpc-specific channel would be able to help more? |
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| 19:03.10 | smithj | could someone do me a favor and pastebin a copy of their /etc/hotplug/pci.rc from a debian system? |
| 19:03.27 | Nippoo | Eulex: I just needed to apt-get alsaconf |
| 19:03.29 | Nippoo | :D |
| 19:03.30 | Nippoo | thanks |
| 19:03.53 | Eulex | Nippoo, yw :) |
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| 19:04.28 | Nippoo | !beer Eulex |
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| 19:04.49 | Eulex | Nippoo, haha, you can have that one, I don't drink :P |
| 19:04.56 | ma3x | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 19:04.57 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.57 | bizkit | smithj: http://baze.de/files/pci.rc |
| 19:04.57 | ma3x | why? |
| 19:04.58 | Wo|f | Quick question: How can I check my screen resolution running X.org with fluxbox? |
| 19:05.01 | Nippoo | :D |
| 19:05.11 | smithj | bizkit: thanks |
| 19:05.24 | bizkit | smithj: got it? i'll delete it :) |
| 19:05.43 | smithj | bizkit: yep; thanks again |
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| 19:05.50 | Eulex | Wo|f, xdpyinfo|grep dimensions |
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| 19:05.59 | Wo|f | ma3x : I just ran into that earlier. I tried dpkg --purge locales && apt-get install locales && dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:06.11 | Wo|f | Eulex : thanks! :) |
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| 19:06.37 | Eulex | ma3x, (1) what command are you running? (2) are you on stable, testing or unstable? |
| 19:06.43 | Eulex | Wo|f, yw |
| 19:07.02 | jsn | I've got the same issue as ma3x. base-config is conflicting with locales, so dselect wants to remove locales. |
| 19:07.03 | ma3x | Eulex, dont worry I'm solving it right now |
| 19:07.04 | ma3x | Thanks |
| 19:07.21 | Wo|f | Eulex : just finished working on a fluxbox theme, and the fonts are a bit off ... that just saved me a bit of time :) |
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| 19:07.46 | Eulex | jsn, if you're running sid, that explains it |
| 19:07.52 | Kernel-Kris | how can i mount a FreeBSD formatted drive? |
| 19:08.11 | Wo|f | has base-config been depreciated in unstable or something? |
| 19:09.01 | goron | Wo|f: Not in my unstable |
| 19:09.01 | jsn | deprecated.depreciated is something else :) |
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| 19:09.05 | Wo|f | ah |
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| 19:09.19 | Kernel-Kris | anyone...? |
| 19:09.42 | Wo|f | Thought I might have been using that word in the wrong context (IANAD, prolly a good thing that :) ) |
| 19:10.05 | jsn | Well, will uninstalling locales do much damage? |
| 19:10.27 | rabies | the package is deprecated. money has depreciated in value |
| 19:10.42 | rabies | for an example |
| 19:10.43 | Wo|f | ah |
| 19:10.46 | Wo|f | thank you |
| 19:10.47 | rabies | np |
| 19:10.51 | neuterspay | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.52 | jsn | you don't want the former, but the latter is still worthwhile |
| 19:11.08 | Wo|f | I think I'll just lurk for awhile |
| 19:11.10 | Wo|f | :) |
| 19:11.38 | rabies | dont expect to learn anything ;) |
| 19:11.38 | ma3x | thanks bye |
| 19:11.46 | stew | Wo|f: yes, i believe base-config is in the process of being removed |
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| 19:11.57 | Wo|f | ah |
| 19:12.04 | Wo|f | interesting |
| 19:12.10 | Wo|f | I always liked it :) |
| 19:12.34 | Wo|f | I think I need to catch up on the Debian weekly news |
| 19:12.38 | stew | Wo|f: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/12/msg00259.html they are moving to doing stuff all before the first reboot |
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| 19:12.59 | rabies | so...whats etch's timeline? |
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| 19:13.11 | dvs | rabies: There is none |
| 19:13.28 | rabies | dvs: this the truth? |
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| 19:13.39 | dvs | rabies: yup. There's no formal plan |
| 19:13.46 | Wo|f | stew: Thanks for the link. |
| 19:13.46 | rabies | dvs: really? |
| 19:13.50 | rabies | o_O |
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| 19:14.39 | Wo|f | stew: Ah! Sweet. I like it! |
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| 19:15.55 | ansong | if i'm on a laptop with an ati mobility 7500 should i attempt to use ATI's drivers? or stick with xorg's "ati" driver? |
| 19:15.59 | Wo|f | this little theme of mine is done. Woot! |
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| 19:16.15 | Wo|f | Now to figure out how to do a boot splash w/o GIMP |
| 19:16.20 | Wo|f | and life will be good |
| 19:16.20 | rabies | ansong: 2d use ati, 3d, use fglrx |
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| 19:18.01 | ansong | rabies, according to http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html the 7500 isn't supported. :( |
| 19:18.12 | rabies | ansong: use gatos |
| 19:18.16 | rabies | !tell ansong about gatos |
| 19:18.31 | rabies | ansong: its mainly for all in wonders, but it has a 3d accelerated graphics driver |
| 19:18.39 | rabies | ansong: its for older cards |
| 19:19.24 | rabies | ansong: well if you have xorg 7.0 looks like gatos is being merged into HEAD |
| 19:19.47 | rabies | its the DRM-kernel... |
| 19:19.50 | stew | ansong: you only need fglrx if you need 3d support in cards newer than 9250 in older radeon's the free drivers provide 3d support |
| 19:20.10 | ansong | rabies, you might want to update dpkg: the http://linuxvideo.org/gatos/ link has expired. |
| 19:20.12 | rabies | insert foot into mouth, rinse and repeat, lol |
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| 19:20.49 | rabies | dpkg: gatos ~=/or or at http://linuxvideo.org/gatos// |
| 19:20.58 | stew | Wo|f: maybe: /msg dpkg splashy |
| 19:21.03 | tarzeau | no more takers? http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 19:21.08 | rabies | i need to learn that stupid syntax |
| 19:21.25 | rabies | anyone here know it? |
| 19:21.46 | stew | dpkg gatos =~ s#or at http://linuxvideo.org/gatos/## |
| 19:21.46 | dpkg | stew: i didn't have anything called 'gatos' to modify |
| 19:22.00 | rabies | thx |
| 19:22.01 | rabies | !gatos |
| 19:22.01 | dpkg | i heard gatos is told ansong about gatos ([gatos] tv tuner software for ati tv tuners in unix at http://www.core.binghamton.edu/~insomnia/gatos/, or http://www.iivs.de/schwinde/buerger/tremmel/SUSE71toPBG3/) |
| 19:22.12 | stew | dpkg _default gatos =~ s#or at http://linuxvideo.org/gatos/## |
| 19:22.13 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called '_default gatos' to modify, stew |
| 19:22.20 | stew | i don't understand that bot sometimes |
| 19:22.27 | rabies | i made it forget gatos then just reentered |
| 19:22.30 | rabies | heh |
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| 19:23.15 | rabies | i do be the problem o_O |
| 19:23.37 | rabies | hum.. |
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| 19:26.14 | sifid | how do I: echo foo ~/foo for the user x with sudo as root |
| 19:26.44 | stew | sifid: what do you mean? possibly sudo's -u option? |
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| 19:27.50 | Ostehovel | Installing Debian 38% |
| 19:29.35 | Ungy | ahh cool I see I can fix package dependencies with alien nice tool |
| 19:29.55 | stew | Ungy: what are you installing with alien? |
| 19:30.03 | Ungy | stew skype on sid |
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| 19:30.20 | stew | Ungy: have they still not fixed their packages to point to the newer qt? |
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| 19:30.39 | Ungy | stew nope |
| 19:30.47 | Ungy | just got a new version of it today |
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| 19:30.59 | Ungy | and still points to libqt3c102-mt |
| 19:31.22 | stew | !skype |
| 19:31.22 | Ungy | I feel dirty I used an ubuntu guide to fix it |
| 19:31.22 | dpkg | well, skype is a non-free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols |
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| 19:31.42 | dvs | !lart Ungy |
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| 19:31.49 | stew | !skype is also debs for skype are available with and without a static qt library from http://debian-unofficial.org |
| 19:31.49 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 19:32.05 | Ungy | Of course it wasn;t right but closee enough to figure out |
| 19:32.24 | Ungy | stew ahh crap really? |
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| 19:32.37 | stew | yup |
| 19:32.55 | donfilipo | i have radeon 9000 pro what i must type in xconf to get agp at speed 4x as option??? |
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| 19:33.17 | nesys | someone using netqmail + shupp big-patch? I couldn't send email with smtp-auth and ssl :( |
| 19:33.29 | nesys | sry wrong chan :( |
| 19:33.47 | Ungy | stew good to know thanks next time I won't do it myself |
| 19:33.51 | freebox | How i can make my crontab job run i the gnome-terminal? |
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| 19:35.02 | Ungy | stew ahh there version isn't up to date |
| 19:35.18 | amrit|wrk | hi. i have no clue what the package name would be for the linux devel man pages on debian. anyone know? |
| 19:35.23 | amrit|wrk | (man pages for things like the stat() function) |
| 19:35.28 | tarzeau | manpages-dev |
| 19:35.55 | amrit|wrk | doh, dunno how i missed that.. thanks :) |
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| 19:36.27 | ppcthug | hello, I'm following the debian - nvidia driver installation guide ( http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/index.html ) , but when I try to apt get nvidia-kernel-common it says it can't find the package, I did a synaptic search and an apt-cache search for nvidia and only came up with 6 packages none of which seem like what I'm looking for. |
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| 19:38.09 | ppcthug | I'm using debian sarge testing on an old pentium system |
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| 19:38.25 | dvs | ppcthug: ...and? |
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| 19:38.55 | stew | Ungy: did you have to do more than use alien and dpkg -i? |
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| 19:39.27 | Kluster_v2 | ppcthug, are you using stable, testing or unstable ? |
| 19:39.34 | stew | ppcthug: did you add contrib and non-free sources? |
| 19:39.37 | dvs | Kluster_v2: testing |
| 19:39.45 | johaBBa | any GPL experts here? i'm starting a business and want to use debian and other gpl software. |
| 19:39.45 | ppcthug | testing |
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| 19:40.11 | stew | johaBBa: if you have a question, ask it |
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| 19:40.20 | ppcthug | stew: probably not |
| 19:40.32 | johaBBa | If someone pays me to setup gpl software, and pays a service fee for my time to support that gpl software? do i have to let them keep it if i no longer work with/for them? |
| 19:40.33 | stew | ppcthug: /msg dpkg contrib ; /msg dpkg non-free ; man sources.list |
| 19:41.08 | johaBBa | my understanding is i can decide to let them keep it for free, not let them keep it at all, or charge for it |
| 19:41.08 | stew | johaBBa: the software? yes |
| 19:41.11 | Ungy | stew just change the depends line is all |
| 19:41.24 | johaBBa | stew, right, just give them their hardware and data |
| 19:41.42 | stew | Ungy: in that case why use alien at all instead of just changing the depends in the .deb? |
| 19:41.56 | johaBBa | stew, software such as the linux operating system |
| 19:42.04 | Ungy | stew you can do that without alien? |
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| 19:42.34 | EmleyMoor | Is there anything I can install on a sarge box to enable me to receive radio stations like Capital FM? |
| 19:42.51 | stew | Ungy: sure, .debs are just ar archives, if you extract it its got two .tar.gzs one of which is the control.tar.gz which contains the control file that has the depends in it |
| 19:42.55 | dvs | EmleyMoor: xmms |
| 19:42.59 | eleftherios | johaBBa, are you asking if you can uninstall software that you were once paid to install and support? |
| 19:43.00 | dvs | EmleyMoor: and a radio card. |
| 19:43.05 | eleftherios | ?? |
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| 19:43.16 | johaBBa | eleftherios, yes |
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| 19:43.27 | dvs | and what the hell is Capital M |
| 19:43.29 | dvs | and what the hell is Capital FM? |
| 19:43.30 | johaBBa | eleftherios, or disable uit |
| 19:43.30 | EmleyMoor | dvs: No - I mean using the Internet to receive the station, not broadcast receiving |
| 19:43.33 | johaBBa | it |
| 19:43.36 | Ungy | stew ahh well I guess now I know |
| 19:43.39 | EmleyMoor | Capital FM is a local radio station in London |
| 19:43.46 | Ungy | stew and knowing is half the battle I suppose |
| 19:43.49 | dvs | EmleyMoor: Oh. Whatever the radio station supports |
| 19:43.59 | doleyb | johaBBa: well, you can delete files if you're allowed to, and that authority comes from whatever employment contract you have |
| 19:44.08 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 19:44.10 | EmleyMoor | They say mplayer should do it... |
| 19:44.11 | eleftherios | johaBBa, so if I am a plumber and I maintain the pipes at a factory can I break them once I stop working there? |
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| 19:44.51 | dvs | EmleyMoor: You have to go to marillat for that. |
| 19:44.51 | cAmper | hi all, Problem with my Debian unstable system:I loose write permission on my FAT32 data partition suddenly, without any signs after about 10-15 minutes after login, any ideas?I tried to search google, examined fstab a bit.. |
| 19:44.51 | doleyb | johaBBa: however, the limit on you is that even in that unlikely case, if anyone (with approved access) to the computer goes and takes a copy of the programs earlier, you can't do anything to stop him. |
| 19:44.57 | johaBBa | eleftherios, well, the pipe where there before the plumber was there if you jsut maintain it |
| 19:45.07 | stew | johaBBa: if you distribute software that is GPL you have to grant the people whom receive it from you all the rights you have, you cannot decide to restrict their rights to gain money |
| 19:45.08 | eleftherios | johaBBa, you got paid to provide a service. That's the end of the story, you have no moral right to uninstal the software because that means you are undoing the service you offered |
| 19:45.08 | Ungy | EmleyMoor, /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 19:45.10 | elephantMan | Is it possible, on a LAN, that one of the computer is a DNS server for "localnames" like 'test.debian'. This DNS would run on the computer on 127.0.0.1 |
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| 19:45.31 | eleftherios | johaBBa, and by no means the GPL says that you can do what you are asking to do |
| 19:45.36 | johaBBa | eleftherios, i see....i think i have to let them keep it |
| 19:46.01 | eleftherios | johaBBa, of course. You got paid to install it, that was part of the service you offered. |
| 19:46.04 | M4rc10 | hello |
| 19:46.10 | ThomasAH | regarding mplayer ... why isn't there a -k7 and -686 version any more on marillat? Only -k6, -386 and -586 |
| 19:46.20 | johaBBa | eleftherios, well, the letter of the contract is for my time only |
| 19:46.24 | SWAT | is exim4 required for a debian install? (I just need the bare basics) |
| 19:46.26 | eleftherios | johaBBa, once the software got installed you transfered them all the rights to the software that you had too |
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| 19:46.33 | Ungy | ThomasAH, 586? no 686? |
| 19:46.41 | ThomasAH | Ungy: Yes! |
| 19:46.45 | johaBBa | eleftherios, but i see that i need let them keep it. i just no longer support it |
| 19:46.52 | asg | SWAT: exim4 is the default mta. Some mta is required (even if it's ssmtp) |
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| 19:46.59 | eleftherios | johaBBa, yes |
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| 19:47.07 | SWAT | thanks asg |
| 19:47.09 | Ungy | SWAT posix compliance requires a mail server i believe |
| 19:47.13 | doleyb | johaBBa: do you think they'd really hire you if you told them that you'd delete the stuff when you left? |
| 19:47.39 | ThomasAH | Package mplayer-686 is not available, but is referred to by another package. ... However the following packages replace it: mplayer-nogui mplayer-k6 mplayer-586 mplayer-386 |
| 19:47.40 | johaBBa | doleyb, well they stopped paying me....trying to get what i am owed |
| 19:48.01 | johaBBa | doleyb, but i'll just have to go to small claims court :\ |
| 19:48.04 | M4rc10 | I am with problem to install sarge with Dell poweredge830, It does not recognize hdd |
| 19:48.25 | M4rc10 | in the install not have support to module ata_piix |
| 19:48.28 | doleyb | johaBBa: in that case the gpl is irrelevant. if it was microsoft or linux, if you don't have legal permission to admin that computer, then it is some kind of illegal tampering to delete things |
| 19:48.30 | eleftherios | johaBBa, (from the GPL) -> Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms and conditions. You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein. |
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| 19:49.03 | doleyb | eleftherios: that doesn't even matter. who owns the software means nothing. it is on a computer which doesn't belong to him. |
| 19:49.26 | stew | Ungy: posix doesn't say anything about mail servers |
| 19:49.29 | johaBBa | eleftherios, if i sell them the software that is gpl and they pay a deposit and don't pay in full the agreed price. can i remove it then? |
| 19:50.00 | Ungy | stew seriously cool I gotta stop trusting shit I read in slashdot articles |
| 19:50.15 | SWAT | Ungy, thanks |
| 19:50.16 | eleftherios | johaBBa, hm, that's a question we have to ask at #gnu |
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| 19:50.17 | Ungy | stew but then again I just gotta stop goign to slashdot anyways |
| 19:50.45 | doleyb | johaBBa: you can sue for the money you're owed, and if they don't pay it, you can hire a reclaimation guy to seize some of their property. But you can't tamper with their pcs. |
| 19:50.52 | Ungy | johaBBa, your selling gpl'ed software? |
| 19:51.05 | stew | Ungy: posix mostly just specifies a set of system calls that must be available for stuff like allocating resources (threads,memory,io) and synchronizing them |
| 19:51.17 | johaBBa | Ungy, no...not yet...trying not to get burned whe clients to pay when i use gpl software |
| 19:51.22 | Ungy | stew I thought there was a communication layer |
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| 19:51.43 | Ungy | johaBBa, charge for your services and time |
| 19:51.51 | johaBBa | Ungy, gpl faq says i can sell it. i'd rather sell just services and support but i get burned when clients don't pay |
| 19:52.06 | Ungy | johaBBa, contracts are good |
| 19:52.13 | M4rc10 | I am with problem to install sarge with Dell poweredge830, It does not recognize hdd |
| 19:52.24 | saloxin | johaBBa: sell consulting hours, and retain the right to redistibute code modifications to gpl'ed software back upstream |
| 19:52.26 | johaBBa | Ungy, yeah...this one didn't have language about the software....my fault i know |
| 19:52.31 | doleyb | johaBBa: even if you were microsoft selling windows, if someone didn't pay, you're not allowed to break into their PC and delete. That is felony hacking. |
| 19:52.40 | johaBBa | saloxin, explain? |
| 19:52.41 | saloxin | M4rc10: what kind of disk controller? |
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| 19:53.02 | stew | Ungy: there is IPC, but nothing so high level as rfc822 |
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| 19:53.36 | johaBBa | saloxin, would that allow me to remove software upon termination or default of contract? |
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| 19:53.54 | Ungy | johaBBa, in your contract state you charge soley for your time the software is all gpl'ed so yes it is free but you charge them consulting fee to set up ainstall and modify if necesarry |
| 19:54.07 | nse | Hello everybody! Which willl be the best app to cut a .avi in some pieces and glue the wanted pieces in a final .avi? |
| 19:54.19 | saloxin | johaBBa: nope. but it means code you do will benefit gnu/gplhttp://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html#SEC3 |
| 19:54.23 | Ungy | johaBBa, You will never be able to remove software upon termination no matter what you do |
| 19:54.25 | johaBBa | basically, if clients don't pay...their stuff still works and they still get the benefit of my services and i want to stop that |
| 19:54.26 | odla | is gtk in sarge >=gtk2.4 and if it is what is the name of the package i need to install? |
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| 19:54.37 | odla | for dev |
| 19:54.39 | stew | johaBBa: are you in the united states? |
| 19:54.47 | johaBBa | stew, yes |
| 19:54.51 | Ungy | johaBBa, you could code in a validation to a server you own |
| 19:54.55 | saloxin | johaBBa: basicly, you sell consulting hours, stuff should still work after you leave |
| 19:55.06 | Ungy | johaBBa, like a liscence and you can revoke it |
| 19:55.10 | johaBBa | saloxin, *sigh* i see. |
| 19:55.14 | stew | johaBBa: is it still within the limits of small claims court? |
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| 19:55.26 | doleyb | johaBBa: if you really want to work for people so untrustworthy, get paid in advance. Or be prepared to sue them, no other ways. |
| 19:55.27 | Ungy | johaBBa, how much are you owed? |
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| 19:55.32 | johaBBa | Ungy, over $20K |
| 19:55.35 | thiago_ | odla: libgtk2.0-dev. it's 2.6.4 |
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| 19:55.38 | stew | oh yikes |
| 19:55.43 | Ungy | johaBBa, that isn't small claims court |
| 19:55.47 | saloxin | johaBBa: if you sell them rights to use your server, you can shut them out of course. who owns the machine? |
| 19:55.54 | spotted | can anyone suggest me a wireless card? |
| 19:55.59 | johaBBa | saloxin, their hardware, tho.... |
| 19:56.11 | odla | thiago_: thanks! |
| 19:56.20 | doleyb | spotted: dlink dwl-250 |
| 19:56.20 | johaBBa | Ungy, i'm screwed and their stuff still purrs along....... |
| 19:56.20 | dvs | spotted: One that works with Debian? ;-) |
| 19:56.23 | nimrod | how can I enlarge the letters here? can't see nothing... |
| 19:56.29 | POVaddct | spotted: atheros chipsets are quite nice. although the madwifi driver is not completely open source |
| 19:56.39 | Ungy | johaBBa, build in a license or a trial period with no liscence and if they do not supply liscence then it expires |
| 19:56.53 | Ungy | johaBBa, go see a lawyer |
| 19:56.54 | johaBBa | Ungy, i can chagne the license of gpl software with my own? |
| 19:57.04 | stew | johaBBa: consult a lawyer, if its this much money don't take advice from us |
| 19:57.04 | johaBBa | Ungy, didn't think icould do that... |
| 19:57.14 | Ungy | johaBBa, not that kind of liscence |
| 19:57.20 | odla | oh man...i can't install libgtk2.0-dev...i have a ton of unmet dependencies |
| 19:57.37 | stew | odla: /msg dpkg bat |
| 19:57.38 | johaBBa | stew, yeah, i'm getting one...but wanted techie point of view before the legal mumbo jumbo. |
| 19:57.39 | Ungy | johaBBa, its like a serial number |
| 19:57.39 | M4rc10 | saloxin is onboard intel |
| 19:57.42 | doleyb | Ungy: that license wouldn't help anyway. they already are breaking an agreement to pay. They'd break that license too. In either case, he just needs to take to court. |
| 19:57.47 | johaBBa | Ungy, interesting....... |
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| 19:57.58 | nse | Hello everybody! Which willl be the best program to divide an avi video in some parts, and then glue the wanted parts in a final avi? |
| 19:58.00 | badcoder | anyone has installed slime ? |
| 19:58.01 | M4rc10 | the module is ata_piix |
| 19:58.02 | johaBBa | doleyb, yeah, but i'd have the right to disable software.....? |
| 19:58.28 | nimrod | #knoppix |
| 19:58.38 | doleyb | johaBBa: that'd still be unauthorized computer access, a crime. Because this is eventually gonna go to court, you want to look like the 100% good guy all the time. |
| 19:58.42 | odla | stew: http://pastebin.com/489079 |
| 19:58.49 | stew | johaBBa: if its all work for hire, they don't own the work until you are paid as far as i know. so you might be able to do stuff like remove any scripts you wrote or maybe config files, as being your property if you were never paid for them |
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| 19:58.51 | odla | and everyone i guess |
| 19:58.52 | Wo|f | dude, go to court |
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| 19:59.03 | Ungy | johaBBa, if you had it built in prior yes but after the fact no |
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| 19:59.10 | doleyb | johaBBa: if you disabled it now, then when they get to court they could say "He did a bad job, the stuff doesn't work anymore anyway, we shouldn't have to pay" |
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| 19:59.16 | Ungy | johaBBa, anyways consult a lawyer |
| 19:59.25 | johaBBa | thanks guys.... |
| 19:59.35 | johaBBa | i think i'll have to turn their stuff back on...then go see a lawyer |
| 19:59.38 | stew | odla: what version of debian? what does "apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-dev" say? |
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| 19:59.51 | stew | odla: and you might as well include your sources.list as well |
| 19:59.52 | doleyb | johaBBa: it seems like you are really asking "Can I use the password I still have to damage the software on my ex-employer's computer?", and the answer is obviously no. |
| 19:59.53 | Ungy | johaBBa, yeah probably woudl be the best idea |
| 20:00.13 | johaBBa | i'm still allowed access....they want me to make it work again.....for free...when they already owe me |
| 20:00.22 | Ungy | johaBBa, unless you want to go to prison and not get paid |
| 20:00.35 | doleyb | johaBBa: well if they still want your service in future, then of course you demand $$ first. |
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| 20:00.48 | badcoder | i read my boss and coworkers email is that wrong? |
| 20:01.03 | johaBBa | Ungy, now your idea was interesting for future contracts.... |
| 20:01.16 | Wo|f | johaBBa : Put it back on, and then tell whoever is in charge that they should expect your legal representation to be contacting them next. |
| 20:01.23 | Wo|f | *shrugs* |
| 20:01.28 | Ungy | johaBBa, well you can say I will not look into fixing it until you pay me for the original work and hope they are nto smart enough to know you broke it cause if they figure that out you coudl go to prison |
| 20:01.40 | johaBBa | Ungy, i can put languange in the contract that basically says you can only use this software during the terms of this contract ....? |
| 20:02.01 | odla | stew: http://pastebin.com/489086 |
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| 20:02.04 | stew | johaBBa: no, you cannot restrict someones right to use GPL software |
| 20:02.07 | Ungy | johaBBa, if you write a component yoruself that sits on top sure |
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| 20:02.14 | johaBBa | hrm...... |
| 20:02.20 | stew | johaBBa: you can restrict their rights to software you wrote yourself however |
| 20:02.28 | Ungy | you can restrict rights to that component not to the underlying software |
| 20:02.40 | johaBBa | stew, Ungy, like a wrapper or interface... |
| 20:02.41 | doleyb | johaBBa: you can write a contract giving you permission to delete it just before you leave. But nobody will agree to that... and you can't stop them from keeping a backup copy offsite. |
| 20:02.49 | Ungy | johaBBa, you got it |
| 20:03.00 | johaBBa | Ungy, hrm..... |
| 20:03.02 | stew | johaBBa: unless you have some other agreement in place, any software, data you have produced becomes their property when they pay you for it, until then it is owned by you |
| 20:03.30 | johaBBa | i'm going to save this log and take it my lawyer :) |
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| 20:03.50 | badcoder | a question if a wrote an app and then several months later they have some kind of trouble , but my contract does not say support them , should i leave them in pain ? |
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| 20:04.10 | johaBBa | i think i have to just bend over and take it for this last customer.....but i should be able to protect myself in the future |
| 20:04.10 | Ungy | badcoder, get them to pay you for support |
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| 20:04.19 | stew | odla: does apt-cache policy xlibs-dev list no candidate:? |
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| 20:04.23 | marc_in_lux | good evening |
| 20:04.26 | dvs | badcoder: If you can get paid for it... why not? |
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| 20:04.54 | badcoder | yep i once did that for free when i was younger now i dont move a muscle without $ |
| 20:04.58 | Ungy | badcoder support contracts are always a good way to make extra money make sure you specify what you cover and what delivery time you will provide |
| 20:05.02 | bobw_ | can someone help me install the new enlightenment, I currently have the base system installed with no X windows system |
| 20:05.02 | odla | stew: two...one from bpo 6.8.2 and one from sarge 4.3.0 |
| 20:05.10 | bobw_ | running testing, etch |
| 20:05.16 | dvs | badcoder: Then again, if you live up to your name, I wouldn't pay you. ;-) |
| 20:05.23 | Ungy | dvs no shit |
| 20:05.24 | badcoder | ahhah dvs |
| 20:05.34 | odla | stew: i can install the version from bpo |
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| 20:05.41 | johaBBa | stew, Ungy, doleyb, WolF, saloxin: thanks all! |
| 20:05.46 | sifid | bobw, apt-get install gdm gnome x-window-system |
| 20:05.47 | Ungy | bobw, new enlightenment? |
| 20:05.52 | sifid | bobw, apt-get install gdm gnome x-window-system-core |
| 20:05.52 | marc_in_lux | after installing sarge I added a SATA drive to my computer. Works quite nicely, unless I add partitions from it into /etc/fstab |
| 20:05.52 | odla | stew: but not the one from sarge |
| 20:05.55 | badcoder | my code segfaults the minute i leave the building |
| 20:05.56 | sifid | I think |
| 20:06.07 | johaBBa | eleftherios, and you too. thanks! |
| 20:06.09 | numist | badcoder: thats really good job security |
| 20:06.15 | saloxin | johaBBa: good luck |
| 20:06.21 | eleftherios | johaBBa, :-) |
| 20:06.23 | sifid | johaBBa, good luck |
| 20:06.32 | stew | odla: what happens when you apt-get install xlibs-dev libpango1.0-dev |
| 20:06.36 | marc_in_lux | modprobe sata_sis allows me to access /dev/sda, but it looks like that somehow needs to go into initrd |
| 20:06.42 | Ungy | johaBBa, keep your head up and remeber to sue for lawyer fees ;-) |
| 20:06.45 | marc_in_lux | how can I get that int? |
| 20:07.06 | odla | stew: several dependency issues again |
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| 20:07.13 | bobw_ | Ungy, isnt there an enlightenment thats on the newer stages of development and pretty sweet..i think Ver. 7? i cant remember |
| 20:07.26 | stew | odla: try installing those, eventually you will get to the root cause |
| 20:07.35 | johaBBa | Ungy, indeed! |
| 20:07.45 | odla | stew: if i do apt-get install -t sarge-backports libgtk2.0-dev i can install it using the ones from backports.org |
| 20:07.50 | odla | stew: i think i'll just do that |
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| 20:08.05 | Ungy | stew aptget install enlightenment? |
| 20:08.39 | Ungy | sorry I mean bobw_ apt-get install enlightment? |
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| 20:08.50 | mz_work | latest e17 debs here: |
| 20:08.51 | mz_work | deb http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ unstable main |
| 20:09.00 | Ungy | bobw_, of course you want to spel it right |
| 20:09.05 | stew | !dr17 |
| 20:09.05 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 20:09.08 | bobw_ | Ungy, Is that DR17? |
| 20:09.15 | mz_work | shadoi repo is not updated |
| 20:09.20 | bobw_ | ah, thank you |
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| 20:09.30 | Edwin_Quijada | I am using sarge 3.1 but I wanna install software testing, I can? |
| 20:09.33 | Ungy | bobw_, I believe that is in sid nto etch |
| 20:09.42 | dvs | Edwin_Quijada: Sure, but you can't go back |
| 20:10.02 | stew | !dr17 is also debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 20:10.02 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 20:10.03 | Edwin_Quijada | dvs: OK! It doesnt matter! |
| 20:10.07 | Ungy | bobw_, but you could always check the packages yourself apt-cache search enlightenment |
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| 20:10.10 | Edwin_Quijada | dvs: How can I do? |
| 20:10.15 | saloxin | M4rc10: lspci show it? |
| 20:10.21 | stew | bobw_: do you run unstable? |
| 20:10.23 | dvs | !tell EdibleText -about sarge->etch |
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| 20:10.41 | bobw_ | stew, yea for my workstation box |
| 20:10.41 | mz_work | ahh looks like shadoi did just update the repo |
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| 20:10.55 | SirJinX | Hi, does anyone know how to enable the "iwconfig" command ? |
| 20:11.08 | stew | SirJinX: install wireless-tools ; man wireless |
| 20:11.10 | POVaddct | SirJinX: just run it? |
| 20:11.25 | Edwin_Quijada | I am finding superkaramba |
| 20:11.33 | Edwin_Quijada | it is testing or sarge? |
| 20:11.54 | POVaddct | SirJinX: for iwconfig you need wireless extension support in the kernel and (or course) a supported wlan card |
| 20:12.23 | SirJinX | ok thanks stew, povaddct. I'll go look in my kernel config |
| 20:12.43 | POVaddct | s/or/of |
| 20:13.04 | M4rc10 | saloxin, nops, in the installer I has problem |
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| 20:13.46 | saloxin | M4rc10: alt+f2 should give you a basic shell |
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| 20:14.06 | SirJinX | POVaddct - if I actually see something i nmy /proc/net/wireless , wuold I still need to configure my kernel for the wireless enabled? |
| 20:14.24 | Edwin_Quijada | How can I change from sarge to testing? |
| 20:14.26 | stew | SirJinX: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 20:14.39 | dvs | !tell Edwin_Quijada -about sarge->etch |
| 20:14.40 | Ronin | Edwin_Quijada: read what dpkg msgd you |
| 20:14.41 | stew | SirJinX: you probably have wireless support; what chipset does your card have? |
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| 20:14.53 | SirJinX | stew, 2.6.11-prep , using FC4, but hoping it would still aplly to it |
| 20:15.01 | stew | SirJinX: go away |
| 20:15.03 | Buddha| | I'm having trouble trying to set up a printer. Could someone help me? |
| 20:15.05 | sniperjo | hi guys, can somone tell me which command i can use to find if a process is running, in the sort of /etc/init.d kinda of way so that it tells me if it is stoped started or whatever? |
| 20:15.18 | SirJinX | stew, i'm using a cipset from Zydas - zd1211 |
| 20:15.34 | stew | SirJinX: go to #fedora stop wasting our time, please |
| 20:15.43 | gnomefreak | anyone know of a good GUI IDE simialar to anjuta or kdevelop? |
| 20:15.54 | POVaddct | SirJinX: so you need the kernel module for that. iirc it's not in the kernel source |
| 20:15.55 | SirJinX | fedora has it's channel? thanks, i didn't know |
| 20:16.10 | dvs | !lart SirJinX |
| 20:16.22 | saloxin | sniperjo: some init.d scripts support it, not many though.. ps axu is your firend, and syslog |
| 20:16.36 | SirJinX | anyways, thanks you guys = ) - see ya |
| 20:16.37 | sniperjo | thanks salonix |
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| 20:17.12 | mz_work | Buddha|: you need to start cups and point browser to localhost:631 |
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| 20:17.20 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
| 20:17.53 | Buddha| | When I go to the Printers section of the Control Center, I get this message: Unable to retrieve the printer list. Error message received from manager: Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: connection refused. |
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| 20:18.40 | sniperjo | buddah: have you got all of the other packages you neeed |
| 20:19.18 | Buddha| | sniperjo - I honestly don't know |
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| 20:19.28 | wwallace_lap | is there another debian channel? |
| 20:19.33 | wwallace_lap | may be in another server? |
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| 20:19.50 | stew | !wikifaq wwallace_lap OtherChannels |
| 20:19.50 | dpkg | wwallace_lap: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherChannels or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:20.03 | raf256 | how long can we wait for kde 3.5? |
| 20:20.09 | donfilipo | ok can somebody explain before i go to havoc again...does ati fireGL drivers really do better as normal mesa drivers for series over 8500...supposed FireGL had same core as radeon 9800??? |
| 20:20.11 | stew | raf256: indefinately |
| 20:20.14 | raf256 | since konsole in kde 3.4.3 is terribly broken |
| 20:20.21 | sniperjo | buddah: google "tutorial cups install" |
| 20:20.25 | raf256 | how about a debian patch then? |
| 20:20.36 | raf256 | control+arrow keys do not work in konsole of debian unstable |
| 20:21.01 | stew | raf256: have you checked the bts? |
| 20:21.07 | ppcthug | can I ask a dumb question? |
| 20:21.11 | mz_work | raf256: tried #debian-kde? |
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| 20:21.25 | mz_work | ppcthug: you just did :) |
| 20:21.32 | dvs | ppcthug: won't be the first |
| 20:21.43 | wwallace_lap | stew: thank you |
| 20:21.48 | Buddha| | sniperjo: that search did not match any documents |
| 20:22.03 | wwallace_lap | mz_work: hi |
| 20:22.03 | ppcthug | how do I add contrib and non-free sources? |
| 20:22.21 | dvs | ppcthug: That's not dumb |
| 20:22.24 | mz_work | hi wwallace_lap |
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| 20:22.34 | wwallace_lap | you always come here? |
| 20:22.45 | dvs | ppcthug: add "contrib non-free" after main in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:23.01 | mz_work | depends |
| 20:23.05 | wwallace_lap | on what? |
| 20:23.05 | badcoder | anyone has installed slime in debian ? |
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| 20:23.26 | ppcthug | thanks |
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| 20:24.18 | bobw_ | badcoder, whats slime? |
| 20:24.21 | wwallace_lap | http://www.slime.com/ |
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| 20:24.28 | sniperjo | buddah: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html#getting_started have fun |
| 20:24.51 | Eno_ | I can print to my remote CUPS using "lp -d desktop -h daytona testing", but how would I configure my apps like firefox to print? |
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| 20:25.14 | Buddha| | sniperjo: I don't need to share the printer. It's local. |
| 20:25.19 | wwallace_lap | i didnt know debian was in the tire bussiness also :) |
| 20:25.19 | saloxin | Eno_: install cups locally, and enable "browsing" |
| 20:25.40 | saloxin | Eno_: somewhere down in cupsd.conf you can make it auto discover cups printers |
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| 20:26.16 | sniperjo | buddah there is a small bit about local onit |
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| 20:27.06 | Eno_ | saloxin: I see... hmm, I stumbled across this mailing list post that said I only needed one CUPs server, though. Is there another way to do it without a local CUPS server? |
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| 20:27.19 | Hackel | Did the gpg key for sid somehow change? I'm suddenly getting an invalid signature message for F1D53D8C4F368D5D. |
| 20:27.27 | badcoder | bobw_ superior lisp interaction mode for emacs |
| 20:27.28 | saloxin | Eno_: heh might be.. |
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| 20:27.47 | Eno_ | Hmm. |
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| 20:28.30 | secher | This is an odd one. I have a partition called /storage of 17 gigs. I have one 4.5 gig file in it. 'df' tells me that 8 gigs are used. 'du' says there's one file of 4.5 gigs. anyone know why there's a discrepancy? |
| 20:28.48 | soymilk | "config.status: error: cannot find input file: debian/Makefile.in" <- anyone seen this when running dpkg-buildpackage ? |
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| 20:29.57 | stouset | secher: Dotfiles? |
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| 20:30.32 | secher | stouset: doubt it, but I'll check. |
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| 20:30.52 | sniperjo | does anyone know the command for listing finished print jobs in CUPS? |
| 20:31.08 | stew | secher: is there a file that has been deleted but is still open? |
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| 20:31.42 | mz_work | secher: personally i just use discus to check disc space |
| 20:32.02 | soymilk | maybe try df --sync |
| 20:32.31 | stew | Hackel: /msg dpkg apt-key 4F368D5D |
| 20:32.41 | secher | stew: precisely it, I just closed the term accidentally. never had that happen before. Thanks all. |
| 20:32.48 | Buddha| | sniperjo: I tried that, and it gives me this error: lpadmin: Unable to connect to server: Connection refused |
| 20:32.48 | Hackel | stew: it's not the same key, I installed that one long ago. |
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| 20:33.13 | sniperjo | buddah: are u connecting to another linux server or windows? |
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| 20:33.30 | Buddha| | sniperjo: no. It's directly connected to my computer. |
| 20:34.32 | stew | Hackel: i dunno then |
| 20:34.35 | mz_work | Buddha|: did you start the cups server? /etc/init.d/cupsys start |
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| 20:34.59 | Zwei | hello everyone |
| 20:35.11 | merak | What is a good command line baesd program to use to connect to my gmail account? |
| 20:35.31 | Hackel | This is weird. I just ran apt-get update twice, and got two different errors. 1st time: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 20:35.40 | Zwei | anyone using clamav with python redirector for squid? |
| 20:35.41 | Hackel | 2nd time: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F1D53D8C4F368D5D Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key |
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| 20:36.05 | Buddha| | mz_work: yes |
| 20:36.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know what i stumbled upon? |
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| 20:36.21 | C01100011 | how do I enable vt100 terminal emulation? |
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| 20:36.27 | stouset | Hackel: New year. New archive signing keys. Don't think anyone's found the public keys yet though :P |
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| 20:36.29 | merak | abrotman or tarzeau you know a good one? |
| 20:36.32 | merak | That you recommend. |
| 20:36.34 | tarzeau | sussudio_: can i have access to the full archive of this irc channel log? |
| 20:36.47 | tarzeau | merak: good one what? no use real mail |
| 20:36.58 | tarzeau | merak: gmail is nazi on browser selection |
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| 20:37.18 | cat | hey when i do something with export how can i save it? |
| 20:37.18 | merak | tarzeau: What can I use for my yahoo account with pop3 then? |
| 20:37.20 | merak | command line |
| 20:37.24 | Hackel | stouset: Hmm, that would seem kind of important! Why am I getting two different error messages though? |
| 20:37.25 | tarzeau | merak: telnet |
| 20:37.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: a guitar shop? |
| 20:37.28 | cat | do i just do save? |
| 20:37.45 | abrotman | merak: fetchmail is all i know |
| 20:37.47 | merak | cat: /etc/profile for global, ~/.*profile* for local. |
| 20:37.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, better: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_frm/thread/89bf164f94293661/19af92dbe32d5555?lnk=st&q=debian+greycat+irc&rnum=2&hl=en#19af92dbe32d5555 |
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| 20:38.39 | tarzeau | where can i complain about #debian quality fell down badly and that the place feels like shit now? |
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| 20:39.05 | Silent_al | hello , after setting my usb irDA withh irattach , with which program could i tranfer files to the remote device? |
| 20:39.07 | sniperjo | Mr Bush |
| 20:39.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: what am i looking at ? |
| 20:39.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't know a guitar shop like you described it |
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| 20:39.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: one with very good knowledge about old guitars and the like |
| 20:40.04 | blondie | choo |
| 20:40.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: i wanted to find out who was involved about greycat leaving... |
| 20:40.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: ask someone who actually plays guitar :) |
| 20:40.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: that wasn't it |
| 20:40.23 | Muffie | anyone knows why Im receiving "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" as return when I try running glxinfo as root? As my regular user it returns ok... |
| 20:40.26 | C01100011 | Sorry if I am resending how do I enable vt100 terminal emulation? |
| 20:40.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: ask someone with logs for the BenC incident |
| 20:40.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes, but i couldn't find much else. |
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| 20:40.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: sussudio_ has all the logs since he does the debstats, no? |
| 20:40.56 | maxb | Does anyone know how I can get 'apt-get install somepackage/stable' to work, when my stable source is a cdrom? apt just says: E: Release 'stable' for 'somepackage' was not found. |
| 20:41.00 | tarzeau | and where is BenC now? |
| 20:41.12 | tarzeau | i'm fine if two people can't smell each other, that one leaves |
| 20:41.18 | tarzeau | but both leaving, was just fruitless |
| 20:41.18 | maxb | I know it works if stable is a net source, but I have the cdroms right here, and want to use them. |
| 20:41.23 | saloxin | Muffie: because your user owns X.. use sux |
| 20:41.25 | dvs | maxb: You shouldn't have to specify "/stable" |
| 20:41.47 | Muffie | saloxin: What should I do to fix that? |
| 20:41.54 | dvs | maxb: Oh. You have to add the CD-ROM sources. apt-cdrom? |
| 20:41.58 | Muffie | saloxin: chmod something? |
| 20:42.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: in -devel? :) |
| 20:42.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: you know .. avoiding #debian |
| 20:42.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: but why? |
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| 20:42.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: no ..really i don't know .. he comes in once in a while |
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| 20:42.37 | maxb | dvs: The sources are correctly added. I have to specify /stable because I'm defaulting to testing (deliberately) |
| 20:42.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: why did he bother to appear here when he's got his own place? |
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| 20:42.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: the politeness police |
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| 20:43.04 | Muffie | anyone knows why Im receiving "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" as return when I try running glxinfo as root? As my regular user it returns ok... |
| 20:43.13 | dvs | abrotman: fuck that! ;-) |
| 20:43.16 | cat | IRCNICK="mynick" how can iput this on .profile? |
| 20:43.25 | mz_work | Muffie: saloxin just told you why |
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| 20:43.48 | Muffie | mz_work: told me to use "sux". Can you explain it to me a little better? |
| 20:43.52 | mz_work | your user own the X server - you need to use sux to allow root to use the xserver |
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| 20:43.59 | mz_work | instead of just su |
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| 20:44.25 | Muffie | mz_work: bash: sux: command not found |
| 20:44.45 | mz_work | apt-get install sux |
| 20:44.46 | csch | hi guys |
| 20:44.51 | stew | Muffie: /msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
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| 20:44.55 | ^0xFh | ÊÏÕ |
| 20:44.57 | csch | how can I remove a package if all config files ? |
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| 20:45.35 | csch | I installed courier-imap but I can't connect |
| 20:45.41 | tarzeau | csch: s/if/with/? --purge |
| 20:45.46 | cat | --purge |
| 20:45.49 | csch | I tryied to remove and install again |
| 20:45.50 | tarzeau | csch: tried with telnet ? |
| 20:45.55 | pegger | csch did you configure it |
| 20:45.59 | csch | but still having te same problem |
| 20:46.06 | tarzeau | csch: remove/reinstalls won't get you anywhere |
| 20:46.13 | tarzeau | csch: yes this is not windows |
| 20:46.20 | csch | I know |
| 20:46.27 | tarzeau | csch: but why do you reinstall it then? |
| 20:46.28 | csch | but there is a basic configuration |
| 20:46.31 | csch | right ? |
| 20:46.38 | tarzeau | yes, use --purge to remove it |
| 20:47.13 | csch | if I install using the default configuration |
| 20:47.21 | csch | I need to configure something ? |
| 20:47.26 | csch | the use with horde ? |
| 20:47.32 | csch | as webmail |
| 20:47.38 | soymilk | is there any .deb build system other than dh_make dpkg-dev? |
| 20:47.49 | stew | csch: do you have "IMAPDSTART=YES" in /etc/courier/imapd? |
| 20:47.56 | cat | IRCNICK="mynick" how can iput this on .profile? |
| 20:47.57 | mage | hmm can I use # comments in logrotate.d files? |
| 20:47.58 | cat | any ideaS |
| 20:48.05 | soymilk | tracking all these ridiculous helper scripts in debian/rules is crazy |
| 20:48.25 | csch | stew: yes |
| 20:48.36 | bbrazil | cat: irssi? |
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| 20:49.14 | cat | bbrazil: nope bitchx |
| 20:49.24 | cat | at was reading the man BitchX |
| 20:50.04 | bbrazil | cat: *shudder*, that line in your .profile should work |
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| 20:50.23 | cat | bbrazil: i did put it |
| 20:50.23 | bbrazil | cat: there is a -n option to BitchX iirc, you could alias it |
| 20:50.25 | cat | but it doesn't work |
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| 20:50.45 | Eclipser | erf hmm |
| 20:50.49 | cat | bbrazil: how can i do that bbrazil ? |
| 20:50.59 | cat | i'm only worring about USER so i can changed my ident |
| 20:51.08 | C01100011 | How do I create terminal entry infos for vt100, ? |
| 20:51.12 | merak | exit |
| 20:51.21 | Eclipser | what other package might have posix dev manpages other than manpages-posix-dev, as I do seem to have the manpages but not that package... |
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| 20:51.29 | One | bbrazil, Do you live in Brazil??? |
| 20:51.29 | karsten | C01100011: Why would you want to? |
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| 20:51.35 | karsten | C01100011: Should be there. |
| 20:51.54 | bbrazil | cat: alias BitchX='BitchX -n blah' |
| 20:52.12 | bbrazil | One: /whois |
| 20:52.27 | cat | bbrazil: how about the ident ? |
| 20:52.32 | Eclipser | found it |
| 20:52.38 | cat | USER so i can changed the ident |
| 20:52.41 | bbrazil | cat: install an identd :) |
| 20:52.46 | One | bbrazil, I saw /whois |
| 20:52.48 | cat | bbrazil: i did |
| 20:52.55 | cat | bbrazil: what identd should i installed |
| 20:53.01 | bbrazil | cat: then no setting in bitchx will change it |
| 20:53.22 | csch | tarzeau: I removed with --purge and installed again |
| 20:53.35 | cat | bbrazil: how can i save the alias thing that u give me? |
| 20:53.39 | csch | what I need to configure to use with horde/imp ? |
| 20:53.40 | cat | so it can be permanent |
| 20:53.45 | bbrazil | cat: shove it in .profile |
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| 20:54.01 | bbrazil | cat: there's probably some BX config file you can use |
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| 20:54.17 | tarzeau | csch: i don't know, i don't use horde/imp. isn't that some webmail stuff? |
| 20:54.25 | tarzeau | csch: did you look at /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE ? |
| 20:54.30 | cat | bbrazil: huh? |
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| 20:54.35 | soymilk | what does the $(MAKE) in debian/rules refer to? |
| 20:54.45 | tarzeau | soymilk: usually that's "make" |
| 20:54.45 | dvs | soymilk: make surprisingly |
| 20:54.46 | bbrazil | soymilk: path to make |
| 20:54.47 | Fluten | how much of a speed difference is there using the normal x86 debian vs the amd64 version on an athlon 64? |
| 20:54.48 | cat | bbrazil: doesn't work |
| 20:55.00 | tarzeau | Fluten: none |
| 20:55.02 | bbrazil | cat: bash -l |
| 20:55.04 | freebox | bbrazil: oi |
| 20:55.05 | freebox | ;D |
| 20:55.16 | tarzeau | Fluten: depends on what you do and how you do it |
| 20:55.17 | soymilk | yeah, but shouldn't there be a MAKE= somewhere? |
| 20:55.19 | csch | tarzeau: horde/imp is a webmail that uses imap |
| 20:55.28 | tarzeau | soymilk: it can |
| 20:55.31 | tarzeau | csch: horrible |
| 20:55.41 | Fluten | tarzeau, just image work, like the gimp |
| 20:55.43 | tarzeau | that's like playing nethack in a webbrowser |
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| 20:55.51 | cat | so it can be permanent bash: setenv: command not found |
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| 20:55.56 | csch | but for some reason the imap server refused the conection |
| 20:55.57 | Fluten | if its something like a 5% difference, ill just install the x86 debian and save me the chroot hassle |
| 20:56.02 | gaz | yo |
| 20:56.03 | csch | but it running |
| 20:56.03 | soymilk | egrep -r MAKE debian/ only shows "rules" as a hit, but no definition there |
| 20:56.10 | bbrazil | cat: setenv is tcsh iirc |
| 20:56.14 | gaz | how do I get lovely fonts in debian? |
| 20:56.15 | csch | tarzeau: what webmail do you recomend ? |
| 20:56.15 | cat | oh ok |
| 20:56.18 | cat | how about in bash? |
| 20:56.18 | tarzeau | csch: well look up the details. there's sure some log |
| 20:56.19 | gaz | lol |
| 20:56.27 | tarzeau | csch: none. i would recommend using a real mail client |
| 20:56.29 | gaz | they are pretty blurry |
| 20:56.38 | tarzeau | csch: a webbrowser for mail is just wrong. just like are webforums |
| 20:56.39 | bbrazil | cat: http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~bbrazil/matrix/short-guides.html#alias |
| 20:56.48 | tarzeau | csch: or do you cute bread with screwdrivers? |
| 20:56.53 | soymilk | and why is it calling "make all" ? i cannot find anything in /rules that says it should run "make all" |
| 20:57.05 | cat | ok thnx |
| 20:57.13 | tarzeau | csch: i'm sure your girlfriend will love it when you massage her back with a hammer |
| 20:57.18 | jvw | tarzeau: reality is, more and more stuff is moving to web-based services. It's whatever one prefers, really... |
| 20:57.22 | gaz | also |
| 20:57.29 | tarzeau | jvw: i disagree |
| 20:57.41 | gaz | is the default package for freetype compiled with the byte interpreter enabled? |
| 20:57.41 | cat | bbrazil: everytime i save it doesn't work |
| 20:57.43 | jvw | tarzeau: indeed the web wasn't originally intended to do so, sure, but current reality is that it's used for such stuff |
| 20:57.46 | tarzeau | jvw: it's not preferences |
| 20:57.54 | soymilk | tarzeau: i agree web forums suck |
| 20:57.55 | tarzeau | jvw: it's lazyness and wrong |
| 20:57.55 | bbrazil | cat: you have to login for that file to be read |
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| 20:58.06 | cat | bbrazil: how? |
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| 20:58.12 | cat | I'm on waimea |
| 20:58.13 | jvw | tarzeau: in any case, no need for elitist responses IMHO |
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| 20:58.17 | tarzeau | jvw: yes it's used, i can see it too |
| 20:58.24 | bbrazil | cat: logout&login or bash -l |
| 20:58.26 | tarzeau | jvw: i wasn't responding elitist |
| 20:58.27 | gaz | adios.. |
| 20:58.43 | cat | bbrazil: everytime i have to do that? |
| 20:58.47 | soymilk | mailing lists also suck. whatever happened to usenet? |
| 20:58.49 | bbrazil | cat: no, just this once |
| 20:58.56 | tarzeau | soymilk: i still use usenet |
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| 20:59.02 | jvw | soymilk: heh, nice point :) |
| 20:59.15 | tarzeau | soymilk: actually i really prefer usenet over mailinglists |
| 20:59.20 | cat | i did it and then i closed the terminal and then i start the BitchX on a new terminal and it doesn't work |
| 20:59.34 | soymilk | yeah, but for all these apps that i have to correspond with people about, i have to subscribe, get all this mail, etc. its a real PITA everytime i want to communicate |
| 20:59.37 | jvw | email neither was intended for many to many communication, really just one-to-one |
| 20:59.46 | gaz | thanks for the help |
| 20:59.54 | bbrazil | cat: are you sure its picking up the alias? type 'alias' for a list |
| 21:00.05 | cat | alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 21:00.08 | csch | tarzeau: but web-based applications are more flexible |
| 21:00.10 | cat | that's all the aliases i get |
| 21:00.14 | tarzeau | csch: i disagree |
| 21:00.21 | csch | you don't need a installed software |
| 21:00.23 | soymilk | i didn't mention having to edit .procmailrc and .muttrc for each one... |
| 21:00.26 | jvw | but email lists are quite accepted now amongst basicly everyone, web based services will become so too, I think... |
| 21:00.28 | tarzeau | csch: i disagree again |
| 21:00.35 | cat | so when i do bash -l and then i do alias it show this alias BitchX='BitchX -n kill-9' |
| 21:00.38 | bbrazil | cat: find which .file set that and throw theBX alias in there |
| 21:00.43 | cat | but when i closed the terminal it doesn't work |
| 21:00.46 | Silent_al | what msg shows me the status of a specific device? /dev/ttyS1 |
| 21:00.50 | tarzeau | csch: you can't use web based applications without software. it also needs installed software |
| 21:00.51 | cat | bbrazil: huh? |
| 21:01.05 | tarzeau | and while you install it, you can just install the right software as well for the right thing |
| 21:01.06 | bbrazil | cat: find where the ls alias is set |
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| 21:01.22 | cat | bbrazil: how can i do that? |
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| 21:01.29 | tarzeau | csch: please can you name the things that you believe are more flexible with web based applications? |
| 21:01.31 | bbrazil | cat: grep |
| 21:01.32 | bam | heh, tarzeau, way to not think modularly |
| 21:01.34 | donfilipo | halo can anybody tell me the line to get my radeon 9000 work on AGP 4x in xconf file |
| 21:01.35 | cat | grep what? |
| 21:01.41 | bbrazil | cat: you'll only learn by doing this yourself |
| 21:01.44 | Silent_al | correction : which command shows me the status of a specific device? /dev/ttyS1 |
| 21:01.59 | cat | bbrazil: what do i have to grep for? |
| 21:02.00 | POVaddct | do usb serial converters like pl2303 also simulate the cts/rts lines? |
| 21:02.13 | bbrazil | cat: color=auto might be an idea |
| 21:02.27 | jvw | just like with usenet vs email, also webbased via non-webbased each has its advantages and disadvantages -- webbased has the advantage of not needing more client-side software than a webbrowser |
| 21:02.34 | kspath | tarzeau: there are those that think using one interface like a web browzer is somehow cleaner or more elegant I am NOT one of them but I can kinda see where they are coming from |
| 21:02.43 | cat | so grep color=auto |
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| 21:03.22 | kspath | even if you use a web browzer every thing you use with it has its own interface inside |
| 21:03.23 | cat | like that bbrazil ? |
| 21:03.26 | cat | so grep color=auto |
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| 21:03.48 | csch | tarzeau: instranets ? |
| 21:03.50 | bbrazil | cat: man grep |
| 21:04.05 | bbrazil | cat: do a recursive search on the current directory |
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| 21:04.11 | tarzeau | csch: what's with intranets? |
| 21:04.23 | tarzeau | csch: i don't see how intranets are more flexible |
| 21:04.27 | csch | tarzeau: webmail, because your messages stay on server |
| 21:04.33 | tarzeau | csch: huh? |
| 21:04.46 | Brian_L | i came across a horrible glitch in gnome today. I would like to know if this has been ecountered before by any other users gnome on Sarge 3.1 |
| 21:04.48 | tarzeau | csch: we have an imap server, our users can access them from the workplace, home and holiday places |
| 21:04.49 | kspath | csch: how is that flexible? |
| 21:04.49 | cat | is tcsh easier? |
| 21:04.59 | tarzeau | csch: using imap. that's nothing got to do with webmail shit |
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| 21:05.01 | LoRez | csch: and that happens if you use an IMAP server. |
| 21:05.06 | bbrazil | cat: I doubt it |
| 21:05.10 | cat | bbrazil: why? |
| 21:05.23 | kspath | cat: in comparison to what? sh ksh bash zsh psh ....... ? |
| 21:05.25 | tarzeau | kspath: and those interfaces can be horribly bad |
| 21:05.31 | cat | kspath: to ash |
| 21:05.34 | cat | *bash |
| 21:05.38 | tarzeau | kspath: simply because browsers are missing very important graphical control elements |
| 21:05.44 | tarzeau | kspath: that realy applications usually have |
| 21:05.52 | kspath | tarzeau: |
| 21:06.01 | csch | tarzeau: thats ok if you have a notebook |
| 21:06.12 | kspath | tarzeau: I agree mostly |
| 21:06.14 | tarzeau | csch: they can do so on any public computer |
| 21:06.21 | csch | but if you ara using another pc ? |
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| 21:06.25 | tarzeau | csch: i don't have a notebook that i carry around with me |
| 21:06.27 | Brian_L | after logging in my applet bar and clock started to respawn about 40 or 50 times a second causing my cpu usage and ram usage to reach 100% |
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| 21:06.31 | tarzeau | csch: yes, that's fine even then |
| 21:06.58 | ppcthug | is it ok to build a nvidia kernel module with gcc 4.0 when the kernel I downloaded off of synaptic was compiled with gcc 3.3 ? I'm guessing no. |
| 21:07.01 | csch | tarzeau: but to access a imap server you need a software right ? |
| 21:07.02 | tarzeau | csch: with mac os x you have Mail, on linux there's plenty things on windows you have thunderbird/outlook. i really don't see a problem using a real mail client |
| 21:07.12 | tarzeau | csch: you tell me what system don't have that software |
| 21:07.27 | cat | bbrazil: so how come the alias isn't working? |
| 21:07.28 | cat | any ideas |
| 21:07.30 | tarzeau | csch: web browsers are software too |
| 21:07.42 | kspath | cat: tcsh is easier if you know all about tcsh and know very little of bash look at zsh maybe? but bash has a lot of power |
| 21:07.43 | bbrazil | cat: because your terminals aren't login shells |
| 21:07.54 | cat | bbrazil: and what can i do? |
| 21:08.06 | tarzeau | csch: and plenty of webpages are so crappy that they don't work on even firefox+safari+internetexplorer |
| 21:08.07 | csch | tarzeau: right, but is a software that you can access zilions of web application |
| 21:08.13 | bbrazil | cat: man bash, look under invocation |
| 21:08.14 | tarzeau | csch: i disagree |
| 21:08.18 | csch | a mail client is just for mail |
| 21:08.21 | Ungy | csch, use imap |
| 21:08.28 | kspath | cat: there are TONs of howtos and tutorials and guides on various shells google is your freind |
| 21:08.31 | tarzeau | csch: oh now comes the best argument "a mail client is just for mail" |
| 21:08.41 | tarzeau | csch: and a screwdriver is bad because it's just for screws? |
| 21:08.46 | tarzeau | come on, PLEASE |
| 21:08.48 | dvs | what about femail? |
| 21:08.58 | cat | cat:x:1001:1001:Aaron H Farias Martinez,,,:/home/cat:/bin/bash |
| 21:09.02 | cat | is this right bbrazil |
| 21:09.16 | csch | whatever, I don't want to discuss this |
| 21:09.18 | bbrazil | cat: I see no errors |
| 21:09.24 | csch | I have my opinion, you have too |
| 21:09.26 | cat | ok |
| 21:09.30 | Ungy | csch set up courier and squirrelmail |
| 21:09.48 | tarzeau | Ungy: same shit if you ask me |
| 21:09.57 | csch | all that I need is configure a imap server with horde/imp |
| 21:10.11 | tarzeau | csch: good luck with that then |
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| 21:10.24 | Ungy | tarzeau, whatever people have options let him use them I have to provide imap pop3 and webmail |
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| 21:10.50 | kspath | csch: their website about horde/imp had no instructions? |
| 21:11.07 | cat | ok now it's workiing |
| 21:11.10 | rudenstam | I'm trying to install loop-aes, kernel 2.6.14.4, done all the steps but when I use losetup it tells me /dev/loop0 no such device, but I got loop0->9 in /dev/ anyone got any tips ? |
| 21:11.14 | csch | tarzeau: can you help to configure imap ? |
| 21:11.21 | cat | bbrazil: my other question is how can i changed my Ident? |
| 21:11.23 | cat | on bitchx |
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| 21:11.43 | stew | cat: ident has nothing to do with bitchx, you need to install an ident server |
| 21:11.49 | csch | kspath: there is instructions about configure imp, no imap server |
| 21:11.55 | cat | stew: what should i installed?> |
| 21:11.56 | stouset | Does anyone even run ident any more? |
| 21:11.56 | bbrazil | cat: thats an identd question - read the docs associate with your ident server |
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| 21:12.02 | csch | imp is already configured |
| 21:12.02 | stew | cat: nullidentd |
| 21:12.05 | bbrazil | stouset: we do |
| 21:12.09 | jvw | csch: install dovecot, it's a simple and effective imap server |
| 21:12.10 | stew | csch: what is not working about courier? |
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| 21:12.12 | stouset | bbrazil: What for? |
| 21:12.23 | jvw | csch: it's required if you want to run imp, squirrelmail, or most of the other webmail applications |
| 21:12.26 | erik__ | anyone know what libraries i need to get started programming with C++ and OpenGL? |
| 21:12.32 | bbrazil | stouset: drunk users+irc+knows how to change ident = bad |
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| 21:12.45 | cat | stew: after i installed the nullidentd how can i changed my ident to something else? |
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| 21:13.07 | csch | stew: the server is running but when I try to connect there is no answer |
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| 21:13.16 | stew | cat: change the command line for nullidentd in /etc/inetd.conf ; read /usr/share/doc/nullidentd and man nullidentd |
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| 21:13.33 | stew | csch: "telnet localhost 143" doesn't connect? or connects but gives you no response? |
| 21:13.44 | csch | connect with no response |
| 21:14.04 | ILF_ | could there be an e-mail message to inform me of the daily repo update? |
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| 21:14.33 | csch | what command I use the get messages on imap using telnet ? |
| 21:14.51 | jvw | ILF_: every mirror updates at slightly different time of day |
| 21:15.09 | jvw | ILF_: not very well possible, but should mostly be around the same time, +/- a few hours |
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| 21:15.28 | stew | csch: do you have any authdaemond processes running? |
| 21:15.32 | kspath | when did #debian become support ALL apps ALL hardware ALL WMs ALL everything |
| 21:15.32 | jvw | csch: IMAP is very complicated, you can, but it's hard |
| 21:15.36 | Ungy | csch, you have to tell it who you are |
| 21:15.42 | ILF_ | jvw: yeah, it's always now (+ up to 3 hours) |
| 21:15.52 | ILF_ | but i don't like checking every 5 minutes :) |
| 21:16.01 | jvw | ILF_: learn about cron :) |
| 21:16.07 | Ungy | csch, seriously when I contact my imap server on 143 I get a response |
| 21:16.13 | ILF_ | jvw: that's overkill |
| 21:16.24 | jvw | manually checking every 5 minutes is overkill too |
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| 21:16.29 | ILF_ | yeah :) |
| 21:16.37 | raf256 | kspath: but debian IS the ultimate solution of everything isnt it :) |
| 21:16.46 | jvw | so just wait until the mirror is always updated |
| 21:16.58 | tarzeau | raf256: no it isn't. only for say 80 % |
| 21:17.06 | kspath | raf256: apt-get install world-domination-via-debian |
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| 21:17.17 | cat | stew: when i run /usr/sbin/nullidentd i get as ident foobar how can i changed that |
| 21:18.05 | stew | cat: did you read my previous message where i told you both how to change it and two places where you could read documentation about how to change it? |
| 21:18.17 | cat | i did read it stew I'm just a little slow |
| 21:18.18 | stew | cat: oh and you need to -HUP identd |
| 21:18.38 | csch | stew: there is authdaemons running |
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| 21:19.18 | ppcthug | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.31 | stew | csch: put DEBUG_LOGIN=1 in /etc/courier/imapd ; /etc/init.d/courier-authdaemon restart ; /etc/init.d/courier-imap restart ; tail -f /var/log/mail.log ; and try to connect again and see if any useful messages show up in the mail.log |
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| 21:19.32 | cat | stew: ipchains -A input -j REJECT -p tcp -y -d 0/0 auth like that? |
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| 21:20.29 | stew | what? |
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| 21:20.52 | gis2 | hiya |
| 21:20.53 | stew | cat: woah, what are you trying to do? |
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| 21:21.04 | cat | stew: just to put an ident name CoKe |
| 21:21.28 | sifi | I cant log in as root in gnome-terminal but in other shells, what should I do? |
| 21:21.31 | gis2 | does anyone have an idea why apt-get build-dep fails for any KDE 3.5 package from the alioth repository? |
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| 21:21.55 | stew | cat: did you edit the argument being passed to nullidentd in /etc/inetd.conf? |
| 21:22.04 | empty_mind | which debian archietecture should be used for amd oteron processor |
| 21:22.06 | cat | yeah i did |
| 21:22.14 | cat | there's a line like this auth stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/local/sbin/nullidentd nullidentd |
| 21:22.15 | cheal | gis2: ask #debian-kde |
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| 21:22.29 | Mauro__ | Hi |
| 21:22.36 | cheal | ppcthug: I'd guess no too |
| 21:22.43 | cat | ident stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/nullidentd nullidentd |
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| 21:22.49 | Mauro__ | is the fix for e2fsprogs out on the mirrors?? |
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| 21:23.02 | cheal | Mauro__: which fix |
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| 21:23.17 | gis2 | cheal: thanks! |
| 21:23.30 | empty_mind | which debian archietecture should be used for amd opteron (amd 64 bit) processor (corrected) |
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| 21:23.37 | sifi | stew, what should I do when I can't log in as root just in gnome-terminal? |
| 21:23.38 | cat | that's the line that i have stew |
| 21:23.40 | Ungy | csch take a look at http://www.workaround.org/ you might figure somethign out |
| 21:23.45 | Mauro__ | when I reboot my etch it complains each time that my fs is in the future |
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| 21:24.36 | Eno_ | Get a time machine. |
| 21:24.36 | Eno_ | :) |
| 21:24.40 | rudenstam | I'm getting |
| 21:24.43 | rudenstam | FATAL: Error inserting loop (/lib/modules/2.6.14.4/block/loop.ko): Invalid module format |
| 21:24.50 | rudenstam | after compiling loop-aes |
| 21:24.52 | rudenstam | any tips ? |
| 21:25.02 | stew | cat: change the last "nullidentd" on that line to be whatever you want identd to return and /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 21:25.05 | Taa5i | Has anyone had any success installing Debian onto a machine running an older HP NetRaid card since that megaraid debacle, please? |
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| 21:25.23 | ubik` | hi |
| 21:25.25 | nils_ | empty_mind: if you want to be able to use all packages, i'd try i386 |
| 21:26.29 | ppcthug | is there a way to back gcc down to 3.3 or do I have to go find a kernel built with 4.0 now? |
| 21:26.48 | csch | stew: there is no messages in mail.log |
| 21:26.58 | cheal | rudenstam: what does # modinfo /lib/modules/2.6.14.4/block/loop.ko;uname -r; return? |
| 21:27.24 | csch | stew: there is another files in /var/log like mail.err and mail.warn but if no messages to |
| 21:27.39 | csch | stew: how can I direct all messages to mail.log ? |
| 21:28.14 | stew | csch: unless you altered the syslog config they are already going there |
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| 21:28.27 | cat | stew: ident stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/nullidentd GaTo |
| 21:28.31 | cat | that's what ii have |
| 21:28.56 | stew | csch: can you verify that couriertcpd is listening to 143 with "netstat -plant | grep :143" |
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| 21:29.15 | eleftherios | is there an open source alternative to skype I wonder |
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| 21:29.31 | cat | but the foobar still coming up stew |
| 21:29.33 | lzap | hi, my eth0 is not started after restart, how to let it start every time automaticaly? |
| 21:29.36 | rudenstam | cheal: http://paste.anbcs.com/3861 |
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| 21:29.44 | csch | stew: yes, it's running |
| 21:29.46 | csch | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:143 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 16229/couriertcpd |
| 21:29.48 | mirak | hi |
| 21:30.08 | sifi | what should I do if I the user "x" get permission denied when trying to "su root", I am typing the correct password |
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| 21:31.19 | Suvarov[work] | sifi: make sure user "x" is in the /etc/sudoers file |
| 21:31.31 | stew | cat: how are you testing that? |
| 21:31.48 | cheal | rudenstam: custom kernel? |
| 21:31.56 | rudenstam | cheal: yes |
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| 21:32.19 | cat | stew: with BitchX |
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| 21:32.39 | stew | cat: how? |
| 21:32.53 | cat | BitchX server |
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| 21:32.59 | cat | thats it but it gives me foobar |
| 21:33.01 | sifi | Suvarov[work], it's not there, how should the user privilege specification look like for a normal user |
| 21:33.35 | stew | cat: if its returning foobar it means that its not being passed the id to return on the nullidentd command lin |
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| 21:33.45 | stew | there is a bitchx server? |
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| 21:34.03 | cat | yeah mesra.dal.net |
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| 21:35.45 | rudenstam | cheal: any tips ? |
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| 21:36.23 | ppcthug | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.00 | Taa5i | ppcthug: Try apt-getting gcc-3.4 or 3.2, then if need be symlink that to gcc |
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| 21:38.00 | stew | cat: what is in the last column when you run "netstat -plat | grep auth"? |
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| 21:38.55 | krax | does Sarge 3.1r1 make my Sarge 3.1 cdroms obsolete? |
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| 21:39.36 | csch | stew: when I try to test the connection with imap |
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| 21:39.38 | cheal | krax: no. there are 2 3.1r0->3.1r1 update CDs |
| 21:39.41 | csch | I get this: Connection failed to localhost.localdomain,143: Connection timed out |
| 21:39.48 | naril | after i change stuff on /etc/hosts.allow do i need to restart something? |
| 21:39.55 | cheal | rudenstam: sorry |
| 21:40.09 | krax | ok thanks |
| 21:40.12 | Taa5i | Has anyone had any success please, installing Debian onto a machine with one of the older HP NetRaid controllers that got lost from megaraid? |
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| 21:40.30 | stew | csch: but it shows up in "netstat -plant | grep 143"? |
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| 21:43.07 | rudenstam | cheal: thnx anywa |
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| 21:45.33 | csch | stew: yes |
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| 21:46.12 | stew | csch: then you have a networking problem |
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| 21:46.22 | stew | csch: is lo up? can you ping 127.0.0.1? |
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| 21:46.36 | stew | csch: are you possibly doing something like filtering traffic |
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| 21:47.12 | Jacobo221 | hi, i have been using lilo for years, not i switched to grub and noticed that in /dev/mem address 0x0600 and so on all bytes are set to 0x00 instead of storing the mbr. does anyone know why? |
| 21:47.23 | Jacobo221 | s/not/now |
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| 21:51.31 | aluno | oi como vc esta |
| 21:51.49 | kspath | #debian-es ? |
| 21:51.57 | kspath | #debian-br ? |
| 21:52.01 | rudenstam | lol |
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| 21:52.16 | csch | stew: wait... I'll check |
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| 21:53.47 | stouset | So, is there a new hotkey in aptitude that searches for the next thing using the current query? It used to be \, but that's backwards search now. |
| 21:53.52 | stew | rudenstam: usually invalid module format means the modules were compiled with a different compiler than the kernel was |
| 21:53.57 | dondelelcaro | stouset: n |
| 21:54.01 | dondelelcaro | stouset: ? is your friend. |
| 21:54.14 | stouset | dondelelcaro: I didn't see it in ?, guess I missed that :\ |
| 21:54.22 | Covener | Jacobo221: why should that expectation hold true? |
| 21:54.24 | rudenstam | stew: okey.. I'll try gcc 3.4 then |
| 21:54.26 | aluno | alguem de manaus ????? |
| 21:54.37 | stouset | dondelelcaro: Works great, 'preciate that. |
| 21:54.47 | stew | rudenstam: what gcc version does cat /proc/version say |
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| 21:54.51 | kspath | aluno: #debian-br #debian-es ? |
| 21:54.52 | dondelelcaro | stouset: "n": Repeat the last search. [just so you can find it next time] |
| 21:55.03 | aluno | sim |
| 21:55.12 | csch | stew: I have a script in /etc/init.d called iptables |
| 21:55.15 | stouset | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I see it now. Just missed it while scanning over the list a few times, I guess. |
| 21:55.24 | zinosat | embarassing question: ssh-add gives me "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent." |
| 21:55.36 | csch | maybe it can run some rules, but where I can found the config file ? |
| 21:55.37 | stouset | Don't suppose anyone's been able to find the 2006 repo pubkey yet, have they? |
| 21:55.43 | dondelelcaro | stouset: no worries; I was using / multiple times... |
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| 21:55.51 | rudenstam | omg my connection is lagging |
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| 21:55.58 | stouset | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 21:56.00 | stew | csch: can you "ping localhost" ? |
| 21:56.00 | Covener | zinosat: usually you inherit the envars that point to an ssh-agent by being a descendant of your x-session or other such thing |
| 21:56.08 | stouset | rudenstam: Advertising that fact to the channel doesn't really help any :\ |
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| 21:56.26 | Jacobo221 | Covener: if you use lilo to boot, you'll notice that addresses from 0x0600 to 0x0800 contain the mbr (this is where it should be copied to). and when the system is booted up you can se it there still. the problem is that with grub those addresses are nulled (0x00) |
| 21:57.00 | ppcthug | apt-get -t $NVDIST install nvidia-glx command gives me an invalid operation nvidia-glx message |
| 21:57.13 | rudenstam | stouset: that's true.. but I didn't want to seem ungratefull and stuff towards stew.. |
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| 21:57.25 | cheal | ppcthug: ignore the "-t $NVDIST" part |
| 21:57.32 | stouset | rudenstam: Oh, haha. Well if it's relevant that's fine :) |
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| 21:57.41 | ppcthug | oh, thanks |
| 21:57.42 | stew | rudenstam: no worries, i've got thicker skin that that! :) |
| 21:57.49 | zinosat | Covener, mmm can you be a bit more verbose? |
| 21:58.06 | stouset | rudenstam: Yeah. He can tolerate being ungrateful and being ignored for at least fifteen, maybe twenty minutes. |
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| 21:58.12 | youpi | jvw: hi, could something be done about http://bugs.debian.org/338318 ? |
| 21:58.19 | stouset | At that point, he starts to cry... :( |
| 21:58.36 | rudenstam | stouset: hehe.. :) |
| 21:58.47 | rudenstam | stew: indeed.. 3.4 I'll try recompiling then :) |
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| 21:59.00 | zinosat | Covener, ok... I didsome progresses... |
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| 22:00.30 | rudenstam | stew: worked out nicely.. thanks |
| 22:00.48 | stew | rudenstam: you're welcome |
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| 22:01.14 | calamari | hi |
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| 22:01.44 | calamari | I'm trying to apt-get install a bunch of packages at once.. but some are giving errors. I can manually remove each error package and retry.. but I'm curious if there is a way to have it just skip the bad ones and keep trying with the rest? |
| 22:02.09 | dondelelcaro | calamari: errors in what way? |
| 22:02.14 | stew | calamari: generally not, we can try to help if you follow the instructions in /msg dpkg bat |
| 22:02.33 | calamari | dondelelcaro: for example: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on zlib1g |
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| 22:03.01 | dondelelcaro | calamari: that sounds like a bug in zlib1g or you've got something misconfigured |
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| 22:03.16 | dondelelcaro | calamari: give us the complete output of one of the shorter runs with a bug |
| 22:03.24 | dondelelcaro | (using the paster bot) |
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| 22:04.05 | zzer | hi |
| 22:04.22 | calamari | thanks for offering to help fix the installation bug, but I'm still curious if there is a skip option |
| 22:04.32 | stew | dondelelcaro: does paster actually speak in any channels, or is this one the only one its quiet in? |
| 22:04.46 | zinosat | I reformulate my question: I've got box A and B and I can successfully run ssh-add on each of them. from A i open a ssh session into B: I can't run ssh-add from that session |
| 22:05.06 | calamari | I'm not seeing anything in the apt-get man page.. but maybe I'm just missing it |
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| 22:05.26 | dondelelcaro | stew: this is the one it's quiet in, because of gnaaage. |
| 22:05.46 | stew | dondelelcaro: i recall. that's what i figured |
| 22:05.49 | stew | 'tis a shame |
| 22:05.59 | jvw | youpi: I don't think anyone still uses it... |
| 22:06.03 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah... |
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| 22:06.14 | youpi | blind people do |
| 22:06.28 | zzer | i got a problem, am in bsd with grub, devian en hd0s4, 31r0a, whats the default kernel to my grup.conf ?? |
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| 22:06.33 | merscan | hello |
| 22:06.42 | dondelelcaro | if I get around to it, I'll probably have the paster bot query people who have purportedly pasted something, and ask for approval, so we can match an IP to a user in channel. |
| 22:06.53 | dondelelcaro | but it's not really high on my priority list |
| 22:07.13 | calamari | zinosat: from what I've read, that can happen if box B's ssh server isn't a child of the ssh-agent terminal |
| 22:07.14 | stew | dondelelcaro: you'd have to have the ip you paste from and irc from match? |
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| 22:07.54 | dondelelcaro | stew: nah, I'd just have the bot ask the nick that you typed in if they actually did the paste |
| 22:08.15 | dobby_ | hey is there a daemon for debian that can run keyboards with backlights? |
| 22:08.15 | zinosat | calamari, is there anything I can do? |
| 22:08.19 | stew | dondelelcaro: ahh, and then we could at least have the ip of the approving users, got it |
| 22:08.37 | dondelelcaro | dobby_: depends on the keyboard. |
| 22:08.50 | calamari | zinosat: I don't know.. I was unable to test that because in my situation I don't have root access to "box B" |
| 22:08.54 | dondelelcaro | pbbuttonsd does it on this powerbook... |
| 22:09.00 | Benbread | Apt problem: apt will not do anything because of an unmet dependancy - when running apt-get -f install when being configured the package throws a segmentation fault - the package isn't critical to me, so is there a way to ignore the dependancy problem? |
| 22:09.03 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, Benbread |
| 22:09.14 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 22:09.14 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
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| 22:09.20 | dobby_ | dondelelcaro and what if i dont have a powerbook? |
| 22:09.20 | dondelelcaro | Benbread: follow the above instructions, please. |
| 22:09.24 | zinosat | calamari, well thanx then: I feel a bit less embarassed |
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| 22:09.41 | dondelelcaro | dobby_: then you'll have to give us some sort of idea what type of keyboard you're talking about. |
| 22:09.53 | zzer | anybody with debian 31r0a and grub ...to tellme boot /dev/kernel(version) in my grub.conf ??? |
| 22:10.10 | dondelelcaro | zzer: it depends on which kernel you've installed. |
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| 22:10.25 | zzer | the default |
| 22:10.33 | dondelelcaro | zzer: there is no default. |
| 22:10.43 | youpi | jvw: blind people do still use loadlin: neither syslinux, grub, or lilo is accessible for them yet. DOS, on the contrary, is. Loadlin is their best alternative for being able to pass parameters to the kernel |
| 22:10.45 | zzer | well the one on the cd |
| 22:10.46 | dondelelcaro | zzer: just ls -l /boot/kernel-*; or tab complete within the crub shell. |
| 22:10.50 | dondelelcaro | s/crub/grub/ |
| 22:10.59 | EdLin | zzer: there is more than one on the CD |
| 22:11.02 | jvw | youpi: ah, I see |
| 22:11.07 | zzer | cant mountit yet ,,,am in *bsd |
| 22:11.35 | zzer | the generic i think |
| 22:11.38 | jvw | youpi: (btw, in order to prevent such questions to be drowned in #debian (I barely follow it), #d-devel is more suited) |
| 22:11.43 | finn23 | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 in order to delete the mbr. will it work? and if so, will it work from the netinst shell ?? |
| 22:12.04 | Benbread | refering to my question, the apt-get output is here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1453 |
| 22:12.08 | dobby_ | dondelelcaro i bought a ps2 keyboard which has a button EL on/off on it |
| 22:12.36 | zzer | EdLin ? |
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| 22:13.58 | memic | anybody has an idee why run-parts might not work? when i specify an dir with +x files and run run-parts on it nothing happens |
| 22:14.06 | wedge | finn23: backup using dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.MBR bs=512 count=1 |
| 22:14.31 | wedge | overwrite mbr with dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 |
| 22:14.32 | memic | the same command works fine on a gentoo box |
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| 22:14.49 | wedge | and yes, the netinstall cd should have the dd tool finn23 |
| 22:15.04 | finn23 | ok, thanks |
| 22:15.32 | EdLin | zzer: at any rate, both Free and NetBSD, and maybe OpenBSD (which I haven't used) can mount ext2 volumes so mount your Linux paritition and look in the /boot directory |
| 22:15.49 | dondelelcaro | dobby_: did it come with software to modulate the brightness? most likely it's wired to one of the wierd xsetled options if it's even possible to set it from software |
| 22:16.00 | zzer | am trying like boot /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2.386 but was not fount |
| 22:16.35 | stew | zzer: try boot /boot/vmlinuz-<tab><tab> |
| 22:16.47 | zzer | thats the one i wrote after reboot debian installation, yeah am in fbsd now |
| 22:16.53 | stew | zzer: it should tab complete vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 22:17.19 | zzer | ok |
| 22:17.19 | dobby_ | deondelelcaro the funny thing is that it works in console but not in X |
| 22:17.24 | SWAT | where can I put the script I want to let the system run after it's completely booted? (to set some special networking stuff, just a few command really) |
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| 22:17.38 | EdLin | stew: not neccesarily, my DVD (and maybe the full CD1) detects my CPU and installs a 686 kernel appropriately |
| 22:17.43 | stew | SWAT: if its networking related it should go in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:18.15 | SWAT | stew, this doesn't since it's a bridgeing script. So it needs to be run |
| 22:18.25 | EdLin | brb |
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| 22:18.46 | dondelelcaro | dobby_: probably cause X is turning off whatever led device you had turned on... try use xsetled to modulate it. |
| 22:18.53 | stew | SWAT: it needs to be run when you bring up br0? |
| 22:18.58 | dobby_ | ok thanks |
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| 22:19.38 | SWAT | the script runs some brctl command (so creates the br0), then restarts the ethX and then it enables the br0 IP |
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| 22:19.41 | zzer | stew the second file will be same but the extention .xx <can remember, the one on inetrd ?? |
| 22:19.43 | SWAT | stew, ^^ |
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| 22:20.34 | skon | Anyone know how to output multiple files with the streamer program? |
| 22:20.34 | cat | stew: i been reading and the identd still doesn't work |
| 22:20.36 | cat | any ideas? |
| 22:20.53 | stew | SWAT: look at this: http://shorewall.sourceforge.net/bridge.html#id2461237 |
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| 22:21.16 | cisse | damnit how do you make debian not reinstall portmap as service during an apt-get upgrade |
| 22:21.42 | zzer | ok thanks everyone |
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| 22:21.50 | cat | stew: the ident it's coming to foobar |
| 22:22.00 | stew | cisse: "apt-get upgrade" will never install new packages |
| 22:22.16 | stew | cat: what is listening to port 113? |
| 22:22.17 | SWAT | thanks stew, reading it atm |
| 22:22.20 | ansong | can someone point me towards a list of extensions available for xorg? |
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| 22:22.49 | Ungy | stew what if there is a dependecy does that require dist-upgrade? |
| 22:22.51 | cat | let's see stew |
| 22:22.52 | cisse | stew: hrm rather start a service i stopped and update-rc.d -f nfs-common remove 'd |
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| 22:23.15 | cat | stew: 113/tcp open auth |
| 22:23.31 | dondelelcaro | ansong: man xorg.conf; read at the bottom. |
| 22:23.32 | stew | cat: yeah, that one, what is the process name listening to that port |
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| 22:23.49 | cat | stew: huh |
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| 22:24.10 | stew | Ungy: the primary (only?) difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade is that dist-upgrade is willing to remove pacakges and install new ones, upgrade just upgrades existing ones |
| 22:24.10 | cat | ident stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/nullidentd GaTo |
| 22:24.10 | Ungy | my wife bought me an mp3 player it requires Windows xp and Media pLayer 10 to access it so I have a mp3 player I can;t use ;-( |
| 22:24.13 | cat | that's what i have stew |
| 22:24.27 | Ungy | stew ahh cool |
| 22:24.43 | dondelelcaro | the caveat is that blindly running dist-upgrade can be bad for your health. |
| 22:25.13 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.29 | Ungy | dondelelcaro, oh not if you run sid then it is part of the adventure |
| 22:25.34 | mrobbert | Hello all! I'm having a problem with stalled recursive queries on my DNS server |
| 22:25.48 | Ungy | hello mrrobbert |
| 22:25.51 | cat | stew: tcp 0 0 *:auth *:* LISTEN |
| 22:25.56 | stew | cat: as root |
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| 22:26.12 | cat | tcp 0 0 *:auth *:* LISTEN 9644/inetd |
| 22:26.35 | stew | cat: and you have restarted inetd? |
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| 22:26.38 | cat | yeah |
| 22:26.54 | cat | /etc/init.d/inetd restart; |
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| 22:27.38 | stew | cat: and what does "echo | /usr/sbin/nullidentd GaTo" return? |
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| 22:27.46 | mrobbert | I have turned on debugging output and found that when the server tries to do recursive lookups named calls cancelquery, then tries again in 2 seconds. Repeats that twice then sends the request to the wire. Any ideas? |
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| 22:28.04 | cat | bash: echo | /usr/sbin/nullidentd GaTo: No such file or directory |
| 22:28.07 | cat | as root? |
| 22:28.23 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.26 | cat | as nrmal user |
| 22:28.41 | stew | wierd, so it works on the command line but not from identd |
| 22:28.44 | stew | err inetd |
| 22:29.22 | cat | yeah |
| 22:29.26 | cat | so i'm wondering what's going on |
| 22:29.26 | cat | =( |
| 22:29.35 | cat | it's just says foobar when i connect with BitchX |
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| 22:29.54 | stew | cat: and foobar means it didn't get GaTo on the command line |
| 22:30.05 | stew | (foobar is the default response) |
| 22:30.07 | cat | so what can i do |
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| 22:30.20 | dorn | stew: hey, eventually i reinstalled pam-runtime in addition to pam-modules which is the only one i noticed the first time and things started working... |
| 22:31.32 | cat | stew: any ideas? |
| 22:31.34 | SWAT | stew, thanks. Maybe you also know how to drop/block packets/ports on that bridge interface? (I actually need to block a couple of ports)? |
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| 22:32.00 | stew | cat: i'd check the bts for whatever package is returned by "dpkg -S bin/inetd" |
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| 22:32.30 | cat | is there something i can download stew ? |
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| 22:32.40 | gpm | hi guys. when i try to hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc, it get this error: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted and the DMA stays off...any clues? |
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| 22:32.53 | stew | SWAT: i haven't tried bridging in a long time, i'd assume iptables could handle that by now (it couldn't last time i tried 5-6 years ago) |
| 22:33.11 | gpm | i'm using a debian stock 2.6.14 kernel on sid |
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| 22:33.45 | SWAT | stew, hehehehehe, OK. Thanks for your help/time :) |
| 22:33.49 | stew | cat: what does dpkg -S /usr/sbin/inetd return? |
| 22:34.08 | cat | alot of stuff stew |
| 22:34.43 | stew | cat: it should rutrn one line, something like netkit-inetd: /usr/sbin/inetd |
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| 22:34.57 | cat | netkit-inetd: /usr/sbin/inetd |
| 22:35.01 | cat | i get 8 lines though |
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| 22:35.58 | stew | cat: i'm going to see if i can reproduce this here |
| 22:37.25 | mrobbert | Any BIND9 experts in the house want to take a stab at an interesting server problem? |
| 22:37.33 | cat | ok |
| 22:38.03 | cat | brb stew my mom |
| 22:38.09 | cat | brb stew my mom's is in the hospital |
| 22:38.39 | Benbread | Hey, was wondering if anyone had an answer to the apt-get question i posted earlier, thanks :) |
| 22:39.20 | cisse | mrobbert: shoot |
| 22:39.51 | stew | Benbread: sorry we cannot support the unofficial kde repositories, you might try asking in #debian-kde |
| 22:40.10 | mrobbert | When my server tries to do recurssive lookups it stalls after getting a response from the TLD server |
| 22:40.24 | cisse | funky |
| 22:40.31 | cisse | whats your named.conf look like, put it on pastebin |
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| 22:40.47 | mrobbert | What is pastebin? |
| 22:41.00 | cisse | website where you can paste code for others to look at, google it |
| 22:41.45 | Benbread | stew: thanks i'll ask there - i was wondering though if there was any easy way to have apt simply ignore the problem, kde seems fine in it's current state |
| 22:41.50 | cisse | hrm damn hexblog is down, anyoen have a copy of his windows patch ? |
| 22:42.30 | stew | Benbread: downgrade kdelibs4c2 to its previous version that doesn't require an upgraded kdelibs-data |
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| 22:42.42 | stew | cat: i got it |
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| 22:43.18 | stew | cat: the line in inetd.conf should be: "ident stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/nullidentd nullidentd GaTo" |
| 22:43.28 | Benbread | stew: thanks :) |
| 22:43.30 | ppcthug | the command in x for increasing the screen size is ctrl alt = right? |
| 22:43.36 | stew | cat: i'm going to file a bug against nullidentd |
| 22:45.18 | Fluten | i have 1.5GB of memory, and top only displays 1GB. what could be causing 512MB to be missing? |
| 22:45.31 | cisse | Fluten: 32 bit addressing |
| 22:45.34 | mrobbert | cisse: OK, my config is up on pastebin. I have added the two include files at the bottom and cleaned out any possibly sensitive info. |
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| 22:45.43 | cisse | mrobbert: i need a url to view it =D |
| 22:45.46 | dondelelcaro | Fluten: you don't have a kernel with highmem support. |
| 22:45.46 | stew | cat: actually its not a bug, it was my fault all along for telling you to change the last nullidentd to GaTo instead of just adding GaTo to the end of the line |
| 22:45.50 | abrotman | mrobbert: did you try asking #dns at all by chance? |
| 22:45.56 | Fluten | cisse, i thought the 32 bit limit is 4GB |
| 22:46.00 | abrotman | Fluten: uname -r |
| 22:46.07 | stew | Fluten: what cpu do you have, what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:46.14 | mrobbert | cisse: how is this - http://pastebin.com/489323 |
| 22:46.16 | cisse | Fluten: unsigned it is, /msg dpkg highmem for more info |
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| 22:46.26 | positron | hello. i have to NICs in my debian box but installer couldnt fing the other. and ifconfig says only that i have eth0. how i can bring up eth1? ifconfig eth1 up says no device.. |
| 22:46.31 | kino | I can't access any debian mirrors :( |
| 22:46.34 | Fluten | uname -r says 2.4.27-speakup, i have a 64 bit sempron |
| 22:46.40 | mrobbert | abrotman: I tried asking #bind, I didn't know about #dns |
| 22:46.45 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:46.48 | cisse | positron: look through /var/log/dmesg for the card's manufacturer and load the appropriate module |
| 22:46.55 | Thanatermesis | how to install a package from experimental in etch ? (because the priority) |
| 22:47.01 | abrotman | Fluten: i believe all the 2.6 kernels in sarge have HIGHMEM enabled |
| 22:47.08 | kino | they are super slow.. so ummm how do I find one that works |
| 22:47.12 | abrotman | Fluten: other than that .. recompile your own |
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| 22:47.25 | cisse | mrrobert: uh so you don't have any forwarders setup, any reaseon why ? |
| 22:47.33 | Fluten | when i recompile my own, where in menuconfig do i find the option to enable it, or is it on by default on 2.6? |
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| 22:47.38 | cisse | abrotman: after 2.6.8 i think, some of lower don't |
| 22:47.44 | stew | abrotman: not all, for instance http://vireo.org/~stew/config.2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:47.56 | abrotman | cisse: what? |
| 22:48.03 | cisse | highmem |
| 22:48.10 | cisse | i remember running an older 2.6 kernel that didn't have it |
| 22:48.11 | abrotman | stew: iirc .. a 386 can't address 4GB of ram :) |
| 22:48.11 | stew | Fluten: in processor type and options |
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| 22:48.30 | abrotman | cisse: i said .. the 2.6 in sarge (except the -386 apparently) have HIGHMEM enabled |
| 22:48.35 | abrotman | stew: 404 |
| 22:48.41 | cisse | abrotman: ah good to know |
| 22:48.46 | positron | cisse: iv tried and loaded 8139 module and 8139too also |
| 22:48.50 | stew | abrotman: http://vireo.org/~stew/config-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 22:48.55 | positron | no success |
| 22:48.57 | stew | abrotman: no |
| 22:49.05 | stew | grr |
| 22:49.10 | abrotman | stew: 404 :) |
| 22:49.14 | positron | 8139cp: pci dev 0000:00:0b.0 (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip |
| 22:49.17 | positron | 8139cp: Try the "8139too" driver instead. |
| 22:49.29 | abrotman | stew: you cannot defeat me with your onslaught of 404s! |
| 22:49.50 | mrobbert | cisse: I inherited this config so I'm not sure of all the details, That's not something that we NEED to have is it? |
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| 22:50.20 | cisse | mrobbert: well depends what your server is doing. if you don't forward and your server doesn't have a cache entry for the ip, it just sits there and does nothing, you usually want forwarding enabled |
| 22:50.25 | positron | cisse: this is zonet 3200w nic |
| 22:50.39 | ppcthug | if I run dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and went through all the questions, then run ls -l to list the xf86config-4 file the time stamp next to the file whould be today because it was rewritten today right? |
| 22:50.39 | pandrew | hi! how can i check how much memory is a program useing exactly from a terminal? |
| 22:50.40 | abrotman | stew: did i crash your webserver ? |
| 22:51.06 | cisse | positron: google the right module and load it |
| 22:51.37 | abrotman | stew: k7 says yes |
| 22:51.38 | mrobbert | cisse: This has been a production config for years. If we don't have a cached answer we ask the root servers and work our way down. |
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| 22:51.41 | positron | cisse: should i manually set some alias then to eth1? should it just work after loading the module? |
| 22:51.52 | abrotman | stew: and i should have said .. i don't think a 386 can address more than 1GB :) |
| 22:52.13 | mrobbert | cisse: I am a little new to DNS, but I assumed that our config was solid for our environment |
| 22:52.16 | OVERCRAFT | Has anyone got fglrx working with unstable X.org? I need fglrx-driver compatible with xorg 6.9/7.0 :( |
| 22:52.30 | abrotman | !ati howto |
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| 22:52.52 | abrotman | or so it hought that was it |
| 22:53.03 | stew | abrotman: ok, yeah, just checked -686 too, and its set there |
| 22:53.15 | abrotman | stew: it's only 386 i think |
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| 22:53.22 | pandrew | hi! how can i check how much memory is a program useing exactly from a terminal? |
| 22:53.22 | abrotman | though .. who knows about 586 |
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| 22:53.34 | abrotman | !ati drivers |
| 22:53.34 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 22:53.35 | OVERCRAFT | !ati howto |
| 22:53.39 | OVERCRAFT | oh |
| 22:53.58 | cheal | OVERCRAFT: fglrx is supposed to be uninstallable in unstable |
| 22:54.01 | beardy | pandrew: man ps |
| 22:54.07 | OVERCRAFT | why? |
| 22:54.22 | pandrew | beardy: it tells you only a % |
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| 22:54.47 | ppcthug | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.55 | pandrew | beardy: i want it in bytes or kilobytes |
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| 22:55.03 | OVERCRAFT | every other distro just got a patch to get it working with the new xorg, not all ati boards got 3d accel with the new r300 dri driver |
| 22:55.05 | stew | ppcthug: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 22:55.37 | stew | damn he must have checked a ton of distros |
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| 22:57.24 | AhmetAK | hi i need help |
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| 22:57.34 | AhmetAK | i have qmail server. |
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| 22:58.06 | AhmetAK | recevie spam mails.. |
| 22:58.24 | AhmetAK | how to block spam mails ? |
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| 22:59.28 | dondelelcaro | AhmetAK: use spamassassin or similar. |
| 23:00.09 | stew | out of all the anti-spam stuff i have tried, i have gotten the best results from greylisting, but it can be annoying at times |
| 23:00.16 | Rapp | i'm trying to copy some files to a USB 2.0 memory stick. the write rate is very slow (50KB/sec) -- what could be the problem? |
| 23:00.29 | AhmetAK | dondelelcaro i need spam database. |
| 23:00.42 | Rapp | greylisting works great. |
| 23:00.56 | DarknessX | Rapp, are you sure that the comp is usb 2.0? |
| 23:00.59 | Rapp | otherwise, spamassassin is great, if trained regularly |
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| 23:01.07 | Rapp | DarknessX: no, the comp is old, USB 1.1 |
| 23:01.19 | Rapp | but with other devices i had much more than 50 kbyte... |
| 23:01.31 | Ronin | AhmetAK: im sure google will help with that |
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| 23:02.08 | aeromax85 | hey i was wondering if someone could help me setup /dev/dsp1 with wine, or let alsa use a different sound card |
| 23:02.49 | cheal | OVERCRAFT: see the BTS |
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| 23:06.33 | mrobbert | cisse: I did a little homework and we don't use any forwarders. We are setup as a resolving, caching nameserver. I'll check on #dns to see if anybody there is listening |
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| 23:06.58 | cisse | mrrobert: sorry got distracted ,hrm |
| 23:07.01 | dondelelcaro | AhmetAK: uh... spamassassin interfaces with a bunch of them. |
| 23:07.26 | ppcthug | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.51 | broo | has the gpg key expired? when I go to do an update I get a couldn't be verified on http.us.debian.org public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 23:07.57 | cisse | mrrobert: what does /etc/resolv.conf look like (should point to localhost) |
| 23:08.11 | Taa5i | What package should I apt-get for x.org-x11 please? |
| 23:08.12 | dondelelcaro | !apt-key 1D230C5F |
| 23:08.12 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1D230C5F ; gpg --export 1D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 23:08.17 | dondelelcaro | broo: ^^^ |
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| 23:09.05 | mrobbert | cisse: It points to the local IP. Not localhost proper, but the IP that is in /etc/hosts |
| 23:09.06 | stew | dondelelcaro: that key doesn't seem to be on any keyservers yet |
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| 23:09.18 | cisse | mrrobert: hrm as i recall you want it 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:09.20 | odla | any suggestions for a decent, easy to use GUI cd writing program...not k3b or gnomebaker either |
| 23:09.20 | dondelelcaro | yeah... trying to find iit... |
| 23:09.28 | broo | dondelelcaro: I've tried that already also from the keyring server at debian and it doesn't seem to exist |
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| 23:10.05 | Taa5i | odla: A good approach is to create an iso mounted and then fill it locally, then dd it to the cd devic |
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| 23:10.30 | mrobbert | cisse: I'll try changing it, but it shouldn't make a difference. Did I mention that I think I found the problem within some debugging output? |
| 23:10.40 | cisse | if you did i missed it |
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| 23:11.33 | dondelelcaro | broo: hrm... http.us.debian.org doesn't seem to be signing its Release with that key yet... which mirror is that? |
| 23:12.11 | broo | dondelelcaro: I think the first one I get a response from is the one at umn Address: 128.101.80.133 |
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| 23:12.42 | ppcthug | is there a way to tell if my computer is actually using the nvidia drivers or not? |
| 23:12.54 | Nach | Is there a how to somewhere how to switch from a Debian based distro to Debian? |
| 23:12.55 | Rapp | ppcthug: glxinfo |
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| 23:13.13 | mrobbert | cisse: Sorry, I have found that when this problem occurs I see the message cancelquery at the point where the packet should be, but isn't hitting the wire |
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| 23:13.49 | mrobbert | cisse: It does that twice with a 2 second delay before finally spitting the packet out on the wire |
| 23:13.59 | cheal | Nach: yes, the Debian install guide |
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| 23:14.19 | dondelelcaro | broo: saens is using the 2005 key... |
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| 23:14.41 | Nach | cheal, it tells you how to install Debian on a clean machine |
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| 23:15.04 | broo | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 23:15.08 | ppcthug | whats that site we're supposed to use for large text output? |
| 23:15.15 | cisse | mrrobert: wow strange |
| 23:15.15 | cheal | Nach: I just meant that you do it the same as you'd do on any machine |
| 23:15.19 | dondelelcaro | !tell ppcthug -about paster |
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| 23:16.01 | Nach | cheal, but why would you have to? if the base system works, shouldn't all you need to do is modify some config files and apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:16.10 | Rapp | dondelelcaro: are the triggers documented somewhere? :) |
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| 23:17.16 | dondelelcaro | Rapp: there are a 26000 of them, so no. |
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| 23:17.37 | fractas | neeeed help please :$ |
| 23:17.48 | cheal | Nach: unless by Debian-based you mean something that was really careful in its changes, which excludes all the Debian-based distributions I know, this is most likely to make you spend more time with the breakage it would cause than reinstalling |
| 23:18.38 | Rapp | don_inlab: oh... my... -- and you know them all? |
| 23:18.49 | Nach | cheal, well I switched from Morphix to Debian ~2 years back simply by changed my sources.list and upgrading, but now I know someone using Ubuntu who wants to do the same, but just editing sources.list doesn't seem to work, it's rejecting the packages for some reason |
| 23:18.50 | Rapp | i meant dondelelcaro ... |
| 23:18.51 | dondelelcaro | Rapp: no, I just know the ones that I actually use |
| 23:18.54 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 23:18.54 | dpkg | Since Sat Dec 31 04:58:31 2005, there have been 51 modifications, 1805 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 631 commands. I have been awake for 3d 18h 20m 23s this session, and currently reference 30276 factoids. I'm using about 15420 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 669.53/40.69 child 0/0 |
| 23:19.07 | dondelelcaro | make that 30000 factoids. |
| 23:19.09 | resiak | !my factoids |
| 23:19.10 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg/ |
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| 23:19.40 | cheal | Nach: Ubuntu is also excluded. Ubuntu is even based on Sid |
| 23:19.51 | stew | !my factoids =~ s#vireo.org/~stew/dpkg#dpkg.vireo.org# |
| 23:19.51 | dpkg | stew: that doesn't contain 'vireo.org/~stew/dpkg' |
| 23:20.21 | stew | i would sweard it does |
| 23:20.26 | dondelelcaro | !+literal my factoids |
| 23:20.26 | dpkg | "#debian my factoids" is "<reply> see your factoids" |
| 23:20.33 | stew | right |
| 23:20.35 | Nach | cheal, okay... |
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| 23:20.57 | Taa5i | Arg. I finally pummel Sarge into noticing and installing onto this NetRaid, only if have it kernel panic with some /dev/console and couldn't register IRQ0 and pivot_root |
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| 23:22.18 | stew | dondelelcaro: are we seeing "#debian" now becuase there can be channel specific overrides for factoids or something? |
| 23:22.37 | stew | dondelelcaro: and _default in /msg |
| 23:22.44 | dondelelcaro | stew: right |
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| 23:22.53 | stew | neato |
| 23:23.13 | odla | when i try to write an audio cd with graveman it says...Can't open input file '(null)': No such file or directory |
| 23:23.16 | odla | any ideas? |
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| 23:24.15 | ppcthug | here we go... |
| 23:24.25 | lwizardl | can someone help me with finding a linux based application to backup a dvd (both the rip to my hd, & to transcode it from a 7gb to a 5gb) |
| 23:24.44 | fbi | yo, when you !info foo, does dpkg always show sid's version unless you specify otherwise ? |
| 23:25.47 | lwizardl | !info dvd |
| 23:25.58 | lwizardl | !info backup |
| 23:26.17 | fbi | lwizardl: you want dvdrip. /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 23:28.52 | tictac | bah. last distupgrade fscked up xdm :| |
| 23:29.00 | ppcthug | how does paster work? |
| 23:29.22 | fbi | ppcthug: you paste your output and give the url. |
| 23:29.36 | ppcthug | oh |
| 23:29.44 | fbi | ppcthug: or you could paste in #flood if it isn't _huge_ |
| 23:29.55 | ppcthug | since you select a channal I half figured it would mention itself on the board or somthing |
| 23:30.16 | stew | ppcthug: it will for any channel but this one, as people were abusing it in this channel |
| 23:30.27 | bizkit | what is that !wof * stuff in the factiods database? |
| 23:30.51 | ppcthug | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1454 |
| 23:31.16 | lwizardl | fbi: i have that but can't get it to work. also have thoggen |
| 23:31.16 | tictac | xsession/xinitrc dont seem to be read after xdm login, instead leaving with me an xterm in twm. :| |
| 23:31.34 | tictac | any ideas? |
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| 23:31.47 | fbi | lwizardl: what doesn't work? try transcode, that's what dvdrip uses in the background |
| 23:32.31 | stew | bizkit: someone not knowing what they were doing creating factoids |
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| 23:33.04 | bizkit | stew: isn't this feature restricted to the ops now? |
| 23:33.20 | fbi | lwizardl: apt-cache show dvdbackup |
| 23:33.22 | stew | bizkit: no |
| 23:33.34 | lwizardl | fbi: i can't figure out the settings |
| 23:33.43 | stew | bizkit: and those factoids were created 5 years ago |
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| 23:34.36 | bizkit | stew: huh.. |
| 23:34.47 | lwizardl | E: Invalid operation dvdbackup |
| 23:34.58 | noideaatall | hey whats the bash command to compare 2 integer variables ? |
| 23:35.00 | bizkit | lwizardl: you forgot "show" |
| 23:35.17 | lwizardl | ok i get lots |
| 23:35.18 | bizkit | noideaatall: man test |
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| 23:36.27 | dondelelcaro | $(( 3 == 5)) also works well... |
| 23:36.58 | stew | no that one always fails :P |
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| 23:37.30 | ppcthug | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.35 | ppcthug | ack |
| 23:37.38 | loocek | I need some antivirus for router (on linux) to scanning in real time for the windows viruses |
| 23:37.39 | ppcthug | darn copy and paste |
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| 23:37.51 | bizkit | loocek: mail? |
| 23:37.58 | stew | ppcthug: what driver are you using? |
| 23:38.06 | ppcthug | nvidia |
| 23:38.08 | ppcthug | I think |
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| 23:38.18 | bizkit | ppcthug: how did you install it? |
| 23:38.19 | loocek | bizkit: mostly www |
| 23:38.39 | ppcthug | using http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 23:39.00 | bizkit | loocek: never heard of virus scanning the www content in realtime, perhaps possible via proxy but imho not if you just use a NAT gateway |
| 23:39.05 | noideaatall | ok, thank you |
| 23:39.14 | lwizardl | fbi: you know of a guide for it? i want to go from dvd to dvd |
| 23:39.22 | lwizardl | not dvd to divx |
| 23:40.05 | jsmidt | Earlier I sent out an e-mail with ITP for a new package. I recieved an automatic reply saying thanks. My question is why does the package not show up on the "packages being worked on" list? |
| 23:40.12 | bizkit | lwizardl: are the dvds encrypted? or no protection? |
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| 23:40.28 | lwizardl | bizkit: yes they are encrypted |
| 23:40.49 | stew | jsmidt: where are you seeing this list? does it show up under http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp ? |
| 23:41.14 | lwizardl | trying my retail dvds under linux. in windows i used to use dvdshrink/dvd decrypter |
| 23:41.21 | jsmidt | yes, the list on bugs.debian.org/wnpp |
| 23:41.27 | lwizardl | *trying to backup my |
| 23:41.38 | bizkit | lwizardl: so dvdbackup doesn't work? |
| 23:41.52 | nesys | hi folks .. I've to use base64 ... cl-base64 is ok? |
| 23:42.15 | lwizardl | when i type dvdbackup at the cmd prompt i just get a list of options |
| 23:42.30 | lwizardl | i want a gui based program |
| 23:42.39 | stew | jsmidt: i'd guess that whatever other list you are looking at just hasn't yet been updated yet |
| 23:42.43 | lwizardl | i have thoggen installed but can't get it to work |
| 23:43.07 | bizkit | lwizardl: the gui for what? naked cowboys? |
| 23:43.11 | beardy | lwizardl: Read it's fucking manual. |
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| 23:43.25 | eeyore- | lwizardl: dvd::rip |
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| 23:43.58 | lwizardl | eeyore-: i have that also don't understand how to use it |
| 23:44.15 | trc | whats up with 'warning about untrusted sources' when updating-upgrading sid? |
| 23:44.24 | bizkit | lwizardl: i suggest you reading the manpage, search google for a tutorial |
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| 23:45.09 | dondelelcaro | trc: it means that you don't have the current archive key. |
| 23:45.23 | eeyore- | beardy: when trying to be indignant, it helps not to make grammatical errors |
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| 23:45.59 | trc | dondelelcaro: how (where) do i get it (from)? |
| 23:46.03 | eeyore- | lwizardl: were you kidding? dvd::rip has hints for things that need your answers |
| 23:46.16 | stouset | eeyore-: Bah, it's funnier when they do make errors. |
| 23:46.21 | kjm | happy new year #debian |
| 23:46.29 | beardy | they? |
| 23:46.50 | stouset | kjm: Happy yesterday. |
| 23:47.43 | bizkit | wow, what's your timezone kjm? :-) |
| 23:47.57 | Benbread | Hey, i have SiS 650 integrated graphics, but it seems there is no kernel support for 3D Accereration for this chipset, does anyone know of any drivers i can use (The SiS drivers are for Red Hat, and the drivers at http://www.winischhofer.net/ will not run for me - any ideas? |
| 23:48.07 | kjm | bah, I wasn't in IRC over the holidays. Folks don't have net connection. |
| 23:48.10 | stouset | bizkit: GMT +77, apparently :) |
| 23:48.22 | lwizardl | eeyore-: |
| 23:48.24 | lwizardl | no |
| 23:48.25 | kjm | Teach me for passing on well wishes :) |
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| 23:49.08 | trc | dondeelelcaro: I have been updating upgrading until very recently (2 weeks) without any problems, when did they change the key? |
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| 23:49.57 | eeyore- | Benbread: "kernel" support would be for AGP stuff, and 3d acceleration belongs in X. are you saying you can't get any of X's (xorg's) drivers to drive this chip with acceleration? |
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| 23:50.30 | AlexW | is there a site/page with all the apt-get mirrors? |
| 23:50.46 | AlexW | sorry found it |
| 23:50.46 | Benbread | eeyore: sorry, yes i am |
| 23:51.50 | noideaatall | where can i read about bash programming ? anyone knows ? |
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| 23:51.56 | adrakoa | hi |
| 23:52.07 | kjm | noideaarall : o'rielly |
| 23:52.10 | nkuttler | noideaatall: bash scripting howto |
| 23:52.36 | Benbread | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html |
| 23:52.54 | eeyore- | Benbread: what errors do you get with the winisch* driver? |
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| 23:53.09 | AlexW | is this mirror recent? http://debian.ihug.com.au/debian/ |
| 23:53.18 | AlexW | like do they update often? |
| 23:53.40 | *** join/#debian donfilipo (n=root@85.cable-1.telesat.si) |
| 23:53.41 | AlexW | would the ls-lR time 03-Jan-2006 08:10 indicate last update.... |
| 23:53.53 | Benbread | on attempting to run the binary i simply get "Segmentation Fault" |
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| 23:54.43 | zeophlik | hi. i need some help with mounting my external hdd. it is detected but there is no device in /dev/ |
| 23:55.00 | adrakoa | Benbread you can use strace. |
| 23:55.20 | eeyore- | Benbread: he says the "free" version shows up in Xorg periodically. have you actually used the one that's been committed (and built) as part of Xorg's release? |
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| 23:55.35 | eeyore- | adrakoa: right, and what would that do for you? realistically? |
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| 23:56.32 | Benbread | hmm, seems i have no kde apps - let me fix this first |
| 23:56.38 | adrakoa | eeyore- hahhaha :), he uses a bin... i don't know |
| 23:56.39 | fbi | !tell donfilipo about root |
| 23:57.25 | eeyore- | zeophlik: unless your /dev is managed by udev or devfsd, nothing is going to show up automatically. besides, are you running hotplug manager? |
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| 23:57.50 | foot | is there a collaborative whiteboard package that doesnt suck? |
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| 23:58.22 | foot | can't really find anything that's not java-based or 20 years old |
| 23:58.24 | zeophlik | hi eeyore. i think i am as i get messages when i plug it in |
| 23:58.41 | eeyore- | zeophlik: usb or firewire? |
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| 23:58.48 | zeophlik | firewire |
| 23:58.58 | eeyore- | zeophlik: did you load "sbp2" module? |
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| 23:59.49 | eeyore- | foot: H.323 packages should support whiteboarding |
