| 00:00.13 | zeophlik | it does say "Logged into SBP-2 device" |
| 00:01.20 | foot | eeyore-, wow, youre a sysadmin and im a home user |
| 00:01.36 | zeophlik | eeyore: more like "ieee1394: sbp2: Logged into SBP-2 device" |
| 00:01.37 | foot | VOIP! waay more than i was needing |
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| 00:01.51 | eeyore- | zeophlik: "dmesg", read the last few lines to see what devices have been discovered. you can always "fdisk -l /dev/sda" "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" and so forth blindly until you find the right device ;-) |
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| 00:02.05 | foot | just wanted to do some collaborative artwork |
| 00:02.21 | chip | wehre is that new archive key? |
| 00:02.35 | soymilk | foot: search freshmeat.net for "whiteboard" |
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| 00:02.58 | foot | soymilk, thought i checked there and found mostly java stuff. |
| 00:03.06 | eeyore- | foot: OK, screwy idea: try "remote desktop" over the internet ;-) (no, really, don't) |
| 00:03.16 | zeophlik | eeyore: there is no change in the contents of /dev/ before and after i mount the device |
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| 00:03.19 | foot | :) |
| 00:03.37 | magick | I know there's a simple answer but I can't think of it. I'm trying to install php with mysql and apache. I've install libapache-mod-php4, php4-php4, mysql-server, etc.. but phpinfo(); doesn't show a mysql section. |
| 00:03.43 | foot | actually, did try that eeyore- :) was pretty terrible |
| 00:04.13 | soymilk | foot: yeah there doesn't appear to be much, surprisingly |
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| 00:04.46 | foot | soymilk, maybe i just need the right buzzword. |
| 00:04.58 | chip | dondelelcaro: ping |
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| 00:05.05 | soymilk | foot: and nothing that appears to be straighforward to install, i.e. requiring setting up some server backend, etc. |
| 00:05.11 | foot | soymilk, before i was trying to google 'collaborative art' and others...hadnt even thought of _whiteboard_ |
| 00:05.42 | soymilk | foot: "whiteboard" is the term i've always known that sort of app as. |
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| 00:05.58 | foot | soymilk, all new stuff to me |
| 00:06.34 | foot | soymilk, any other names for whiteboards you can think of offhand? |
| 00:06.46 | foot | whiteboard apps* |
| 00:06.47 | soymilk | blackboard? |
| 00:06.55 | chip | ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2005.asc <- google is a wonder |
| 00:07.11 | jvw | s/2005/2006/, while you're at it |
| 00:07.18 | foot | im saving all the creativity for the art ill use it for ;) |
| 00:07.25 | jvw | it exists since a few hours |
| 00:07.51 | cmptreng | I just installed etch (2.6.12) and wanted to install ndiswrapper. Every time I try to apt-get the kernel-headers, I list only 2.4 and kernel-headers. My sources.list shows deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main and deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian main. Any help would be greatly appeciated by this newbie. |
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| 00:08.18 | soymilk | foot: no. in true linux style you must expend every bit of creative energy finding, installing, configuring, and troubleshooting the app so that, by the time you have it ready, there will no longer be a need. heisenberg uncertainty principle or something like that |
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| 00:08.43 | dvs | huh? |
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| 00:09.02 | foot | lol! yes, very true |
| 00:09.27 | chip | >>bash |
| 00:09.28 | eeyore- | zeophlik: if you don't get any device listing in output of "dmesg", it didn't really work :-) |
| 00:09.30 | foot | who needs simplicity when you can have a 15 page .dotfile! |
| 00:09.43 | kjm | cmptreng : try apt-cache policy <kernel-headers> ? I think 2.6 line is in sid. |
| 00:09.50 | beardy | No one is forcing you to run anything. |
| 00:09.53 | eeyore- | zeophlik: try unplugging the firewire cable and plugging it back in... what can i say? |
| 00:10.00 | zeophlik | eeyore: i do get messages when i plug in the thing |
| 00:10.00 | foot | soymilk, or, by the time you have it ready, youre so bored with it you can't stand to look at it any longer. |
| 00:10.05 | kspath | soymilk: drop servers to determine location size weight speed direction of sysadmin |
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| 00:10.13 | eeyore- | zeophlik: show me what you see (/query eeyore-) |
| 00:10.56 | kspath | soymilk: if you use that method and locate one their speed and direction have changed |
| 00:10.58 | soymilk | kspath: lol. is that experimental particle physics? |
| 00:11.08 | eeyore- | foot: what kind of "collaborative art" are we talking about? |
| 00:11.33 | foot | eeyore-, something that can be done across a lan with multiple participants |
| 00:11.47 | zeophlik | eeyore: Jan 3 18:59:52 localhost kernel: scsi11 : SCSI emulation for IEEE-1394 SBP-2 De |
| 00:11.47 | zeophlik | vices |
| 00:11.47 | zeophlik | Jan 3 18:59:53 localhost kernel: ieee1394: sbp2: Logged into SBP-2 device |
| 00:11.47 | zeophlik | Jan 3 18:59:53 localhost kernel: Vendor: WDC WD16 Model: 00JB-22GVC0 R |
| 00:11.47 | zeophlik | ev: |
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| 00:11.48 | eeyore- | foot: LAN or WAN? |
| 00:11.54 | foot | eeyore-, maybe like a networked version of gimp or similar |
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| 00:12.17 | foot | eeyore-, a poorly set up wireless lan |
| 00:12.19 | AlexW | how do i check my Dist? |
| 00:12.28 | cmptreng | Thanks kjm, but no luck. I will try changin the sources file from etch to sid just to get the headers that I need. That should do it, right??? |
| 00:12.28 | foot | poorly = poverty, not bad admin |
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| 00:12.57 | zeophlik | join #flood |
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| 00:13.13 | kjm | cmptreng : try apt-get -t unstable <kernel-headers> or do a #apt-cache search <kernel-header> to get a list of all possible versions |
| 00:13.25 | kspath | to me using wireless to irc from the toilet is not the best use of technology |
| 00:13.43 | eeyore- | zeophlik: run either udev/devfsd and hotplug, reboot |
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| 00:13.58 | kjm | kspath : mate, you're just not surfing the right channels then. |
| 00:14.05 | foot | kspath, how bout wireless to broadcast a live stream of your toilet? |
| 00:14.06 | zeophlik | eeyore: thnkx.. i'l be back |
| 00:14.26 | AlexW | how do i check what dist im on? |
| 00:14.40 | kspath | foot: well unless swirling water gets someone off I do not get it |
| 00:15.04 | foot | maybe they want to see it swirl differently in other parts of the world |
| 00:15.08 | kjm | AlexW : huh? |
| 00:15.12 | kspath | I am adverse to wireless |
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| 00:15.24 | AlexW | I ran apt-get dist-upgrade, i wanna see if it actually did.... |
| 00:15.31 | kspath | or put another way wireless is adverse to me |
| 00:15.38 | tiagotitus | hi |
| 00:15.41 | AlexW | im upgradeing from 3.1 r0a -> 3.1 r1 |
| 00:15.47 | foot | kspath, Results 1 - 10 of about 50,500 for "toiletcam". (0.22 seconds) |
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| 00:15.51 | tiagotitus | anybody of the brazil in this room? |
| 00:16.10 | foot | kspath, why? |
| 00:16.11 | nkuttler | !pt |
| 00:16.11 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 00:16.41 | AlexW | !fr |
| 00:16.42 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 00:16.45 | AlexW | :P |
| 00:16.57 | AlexW | !po |
| 00:16.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, po is Piss Off or Post Office |
| 00:17.05 | nkuttler | AlexW: stop it. /msg the bot |
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| 00:17.09 | AlexW | kk |
| 00:17.19 | eeyore- | foot: you probably have to roll your own :-) like this guy ... |
| 00:17.20 | AlexW | yeh neways how do i check my current dist....? |
| 00:17.30 | nkuttler | AlexW: /msg dpkg what am i running |
| 00:17.39 | eeyore- | foot: http://www.markdawson.org/software/ |
| 00:17.41 | AlexW | thx |
| 00:18.04 | cmptreng | kjm: thanks again. It appears that they changed all 2.6 kernel-headers to linux-headers instead -weird. |
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| 00:18.22 | phogg | I have a YellowMachine (debian-based) NAS box. It came with telnetd up and running. Naturally I started sshd and removed telnetd. Today, after its first reboot ever, I find that sshd is not running. It is possible that the init scripts on the system do not start ssh (I didn't think to check). I have full root access... via ftp. Any suggestions on how I go about restoring shell access without losing my data? |
| 00:18.23 | AlexW | lol isnt there and easier way :P |
| 00:18.27 | kjm | cmptreng : no probs maetee |
| 00:18.31 | kjm | *mate |
| 00:18.32 | foot | eeyore-, interesting, thanks :) |
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| 00:18.37 | eeyore- | foot: or, http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~kgs20/VideoConferencing.html |
| 00:18.48 | eeyore- | foot: that one is MBONE ... seems to have been around a long time |
| 00:18.52 | odla | i am trying to burn some mp3s but i can't seem to burn them with cdrecord |
| 00:19.02 | odla | i am getting an error that tells me the size doesn't match up |
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| 00:19.31 | odla | i am running this cdrecord -v dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -audio *.mp3 |
| 00:19.31 | tiagotitus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:19.38 | rhebi | topic news |
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| 00:19.52 | doleyb | odla: don't run that |
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| 00:20.01 | dvs | tiagotitus: What do you think? |
| 00:20.10 | odla | doleyb: how should i dot it then? |
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| 00:20.24 | kjm | tiagotitus : I am working towards a PhD in psychology....close enough? Although I am a vision scientist...so I'll just tell you that you're fucking crazy and move on. |
| 00:20.25 | zeophlik | eeyore-: nothing new happened |
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| 00:20.50 | eeyore- | zeophlik: show me "mount | grep /dev" |
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| 00:21.00 | foot | eeyore-, again, very cool. this from google? i hadnt seen either of these pages on my quest |
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| 00:21.29 | setog3 | Hi , I think I have do a little mistake, delete a partition not sure, but now when I try to mount I have this error mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, |
| 00:21.29 | setog3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.31 | rhebi | is this a known problem with apt-get ? GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 00:21.37 | jharrison | anyone know whats going on with aptitude? |
| 00:21.37 | eeyore- | foot: yep. that's from google :-> |
| 00:21.40 | tiagotitus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:21.45 | foot | oh wait, nvm. eeyore- the wb app is apt-gettable, and ridiculous. i was hoping for web-based |
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| 00:22.01 | eeyore- | foot: ridiculous? |
| 00:22.08 | kjm | tiagotitus : /join #someonewhocares |
| 00:22.19 | zeophlik | eeyore-: there are 2 lines: hda1 and hda6 which are windows and linux root partitions that i mounted |
| 00:22.19 | foot | eeyore-, ridiculous = i spent an hour and couldnt figure it out |
| 00:22.23 | foot | :) |
| 00:22.27 | odla | how do i burn an audio cd with cdrecord? i have mp3s on my computer that i would like to put on a cd |
| 00:22.28 | AlexW | lol kjm |
| 00:22.28 | jharrison | aptitude depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.10 which is a virtual package |
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| 00:22.40 | jharrison | it has been like this for a while now |
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| 00:22.51 | eeyore- | foot: you mean you didn't see how to type in the parameters? |
| 00:22.56 | fbi | odla: man cdrecord |
| 00:22.58 | dvs | odla: I use(d) k3b |
| 00:22.59 | setog3 | I want to try a cat on that device .. |
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| 00:23.00 | jharrison | any idea whats going on or when it will be fixed? |
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| 00:23.33 | tiagotitus | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.37 | eeyore- | zeophlik: "mount | grep /dev" |
| 00:23.42 | setog3 | many many line, so I think I have delete all data .. yeah the world don't sucks, but howto restore this (remount the partition with no error" ? |
| 00:23.52 | eeyore- | zeophlik: you can't possibly have sane reasons for showing two matching lines for that |
| 00:23.52 | rhebi | tiagotitus: what country/state are you in? |
| 00:23.55 | EdLin | I'm having some problems getting sid's apt to operate using secure keys. I've followed the steps in the factoid and at debian-administration.net, neither seems to have worked. |
| 00:23.57 | foot | eeyore-, if my 'computer hobbyist' mind can't grok it very quickly, there's no way the others that would use it, would actually use it |
| 00:24.07 | dondelelcaro | chip: pong |
| 00:24.13 | protoloco | i wanna know the version of some service without the help of the package manager like apt, emerge etc, BESIDES without the help of some scanner (network help). |
| 00:24.13 | eeyore- | foot: you just have to tell them what to type in :-) |
| 00:24.20 | rhebi | tiagotitus: talk to a grief counsellor, if you're a student your school may have such services. So might your employer |
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| 00:24.24 | eeyore- | foot: e.g., "type in wb foo@foo.org 1234" |
| 00:24.36 | foot | heh |
| 00:24.45 | tiagotitus | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.48 | foot | eeyore-, honestly. i tried. it was miserable. |
| 00:24.50 | soymilk | foot: check out this /. article: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/09/28/196215 |
| 00:24.58 | AlexW | ./ban tiagotitus |
| 00:24.59 | dondelelcaro | tiagotitus: also, please stop using caps; we're not the appropriate channel to talk to either. |
| 00:25.19 | eeyore- | tiagotitus: that's nice. have you got some young wenches for us? |
| 00:25.25 | AlexW | tiagotitus: your pissing me off |
| 00:25.26 | kjm | tiagtitus : honestly you might have better luck in an irc channel meant for support for you types of problems and not in #debian |
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| 00:25.32 | rhebi | tiagotitus: I am not aware of mental health services in your area, I suggest you check your phone book |
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| 00:25.47 | foot | ---> " Unfortunately the only products I've found are either old and require Motif and other huge libraries, commercial, or written in Java." |
| 00:25.49 | dondelelcaro | AlexW: just use /ignore, pelase. |
| 00:25.52 | tiagotitus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:26.10 | soymilk | foot: it looks like a shared desktop approach á la VNC is a good answer |
| 00:26.17 | dondelelcaro | tiagotitus: please seek help, but seek it elsewhere. |
| 00:26.19 | AlexW | it has no version reply.... probs a bot |
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| 00:26.26 | foot | soymilk, not for slooow machines |
| 00:26.47 | fbi | uh, just because it ignores version requests, doesn't make it a bot. |
| 00:26.51 | eeyore- | and i bet all it requires to help tiagotitus is a show of faith by providing bank account number, routing number, and so on so forth |
| 00:27.07 | dondelelcaro | AlexW: a lot of people do not respond to VERSION. In any case, if you have a problem, use /ignore. Please don't exacerbate the situtation. |
| 00:27.07 | zeophlik | eeyore-: i just pasted in flood... the rest of the lines are the usual ones |
| 00:27.13 | AlexW | tiagotitus, i cannot understand you, speak english :P |
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| 00:27.19 | kjm | tiagotitus : please see http://siliconvalley.citysearch.com/find/directory/siliconvalley_CA/220/410/page1.html?category=Mental%20Health |
| 00:27.19 | fbi | !beer abrotman |
| 00:27.26 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:27.28 | AlexW | dondelelcaro, ok ill stop :P |
| 00:27.35 | EdLin | I'm having some problems getting sid's apt to operate using secure keys. I've followed the steps in the factoid and at debian-administration.net, neither seems to have worked. |
| 00:27.36 | fbi | i always think that says "dpkg defecates" |
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| 00:28.03 | EdLin | er, debian-administration.org |
| 00:28.20 | abrotman | fbi: depends on the beer i suppose |
| 00:28.37 | fbi | well if dpkg defecates beer, i want a dpkg in my house. |
| 00:28.59 | kjm | tiagotitus : also, google.ca is usually a more efficient search engine that #somerandomchannel |
| 00:29.06 | abrotman | EdLin: /msg dpkg apt-secure |
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| 00:29.50 | EdLin | abrotman: that has basically the same text as "apt secure", which is the factoid I got before. |
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| 00:30.24 | abrotman | EdLin: worked for me! .. PEBKAC! |
| 00:30.33 | EdLin | sigh |
| 00:30.36 | stew | haha "This usage is vaguely deprecated, which means it just might possibly be removed in some distant future version of Perl, perhaps somewhere around the year 2168." |
| 00:30.38 | abrotman | EdLin: can you list your keys ? |
| 00:31.08 | abrotman | EdLin: apt-key list ? |
| 00:31.21 | eeyore- | fbi: how about this coffee that's been through god knows what? http://www.ravensbrew.com/NewFiles/kopiluwak.html |
| 00:31.23 | foot | wait, take that back - i was unaware you could send a single window across vnc, rather than the entire desktop. |
| 00:31.31 | eeyore- | too disgusting for me ... |
| 00:31.33 | foot | that might work. |
| 00:31.43 | EdLin | abrotman: it lists three keys |
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| 00:32.17 | soymilk | foot: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/summerofcode/andrewd/ |
| 00:32.27 | EdLin | abrotman: you want to /j #flood and I can show you there? |
| 00:32.28 | abrotman | EdLin: and what are the keys ? .. like 1024D/4F368D5D ? |
| 00:32.31 | fbi | eeyore-: that page isn't loading |
| 00:32.43 | abrotman | EdLin: there |
| 00:32.51 | eeyore- | fbi: just search for "kopi luwak" |
| 00:32.56 | fbi | never mind here it comes |
| 00:33.13 | fbi | it must be hosted on an uber-slow connection |
| 00:33.23 | eeyore- | fbi: that's probably from 700-ish #debian-ers hitting the page all at once |
| 00:33.48 | fbi | dude, people actually drink that shit? (literally) |
| 00:33.54 | EdLin | abrotman: 1024R/1DB114E0 1024D/4F368D5D 1024D/B5F5BBED 2048g/34FC6FE5 |
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| 00:34.04 | xNinja | hello... |
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| 00:34.10 | EdLin | abrotman: the last one being labeld with "sub" |
| 00:34.16 | eeyore- | fbi: screwed-up world ain't it? power of marketing ... |
| 00:34.26 | xNinja | have someone installed sarge + openwebmail ? is there a step by step howto ? |
| 00:34.33 | metaperl | abrotman: my internet probs last night were due to a busted Linksys router and nothing more |
| 00:34.35 | abrotman | EdLin: afaik .. the second of those should work for sid |
| 00:34.41 | fbi | meh. i'll stick to my large mochas in the morning |
| 00:34.42 | abrotman | metaperl: linksys sucks |
| 00:35.00 | metaperl | they really do. good techsupport but i've had two broken routers from them... |
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| 00:35.17 | metaperl | our belkin here seems to be doing fine... what router do you like? how about netgear? |
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| 00:35.25 | abrotman | EdLin: paste them all in #flood |
| 00:35.42 | eeyore- | i like the newer, squarer, boxier, silver linksys |
| 00:35.48 | phogg | How do I tell thins to use alt as meta instead of esc? |
| 00:35.53 | foot | soymilk, very cool. much more likely for everyone to use gaim than command-line vnc shtuff |
| 00:35.56 | kjm | i've never had a netgear that worked well. DLink and belkin are always cool in my books |
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| 00:36.20 | mushrooomprince | #debian, just out of curiousity how many people are actually in IRC r ight now using gaim ? |
| 00:36.20 | dvs | phogg: you can use either. |
| 00:36.23 | csch | hi guys |
| 00:36.27 | metaperl | kjm: cheel |
| 00:36.33 | csch | Stew: hi |
| 00:36.47 | SWAT | ow my god HELP! I just tried upgrading from my 2.4 kernel (sarge) to the 2.6.8-2-686. /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: line 5: /usr/bin/awk: Permission denied. Version has a bad syntax: Version string has embedded spaces... then it exits with error code 1 |
| 00:36.59 | soymilk | foot: i'm trying to build it now... |
| 00:37.05 | csch | stew: I added the rule to allow local connections to imap server |
| 00:37.14 | abrotman | mushrooomprince: 2.6 |
| 00:37.23 | csch | stew: but now I get a message of login failed :S |
| 00:37.33 | mushrooomprince | abrotman, 2.6 you say ? |
| 00:37.52 | abrotman | mushrooomprince: yeah .. poor thingfish doesn't count as a whole person .. he's part fish |
| 00:38.01 | fbi | !thingfish |
| 00:38.01 | dpkg | somebody said thingfish was a thai-whore, according to abrotman |
| 00:38.10 | stew | csch: does /var/log/mail.log give any reason why? how are you testing this? with telnet? |
| 00:38.11 | abrotman | i did? |
| 00:38.30 | csch | no, using the test script of imp |
| 00:38.36 | fbi | apparently. thingfish has admitted he is willing to whore himself out for thai-food |
| 00:38.45 | csch | after I added the rule the message changed |
| 00:38.52 | stew | csch: is the test script of imp using valid credentials? |
| 00:38.57 | foot | soymilk, still have to install gaim first :) |
| 00:39.15 | csch | yes, I tested before and works fine |
| 00:39.29 | csch | I think that is something in configuration |
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| 00:39.44 | beardy | mushrooomprince: got your network working? |
| 00:39.59 | SWAT | guys, anyone? |
| 00:40.12 | beardy | SWAT: Some of us are guys yes. |
| 00:40.33 | SWAT | beardy, it was rather a cry for help? |
| 00:40.46 | stew | csch: show me the log entries from the login failure in #flood or using the paster bot |
| 00:40.50 | beardy | SWAT: I understood that. /msg dpkg ask |
| 00:41.13 | cheal | dpkg: svg |
| 00:41.14 | dpkg | svg is, like, Scalable Vector Graphics, an up and comming vector graphics format backed by many graphics companies. More info available at http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/ |
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| 00:41.18 | SWAT | beardy, bot? |
| 00:41.21 | cheal | dpkg: no, svg is an acronym for Scalable Vector Graphics, an open vector graphics format. Can be rendered by ksvg and Firefox 1.5 (only partial support). More info at http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/ or #svg |
| 00:41.21 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
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| 00:41.36 | beardy | !tell SWAT about ask |
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| 00:41.47 | kjm | !tell SWAT about dpkg |
| 00:41.59 | AlexW | !tell SWAT about S.W.A.T |
| 00:42.02 | SWAT | :P |
| 00:42.35 | SWAT | beardy, I did ask a few lines back. Here I go again if you wish: I just tried upgrading from my 2.4 kernel (sarge) to the 2.6.8-2-686. /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: line 5: /usr/bin/awk: Permission denied. Version has a bad syntax: Version string has embedded spaces... then it exits with error code 1 |
| 00:42.43 | fbi | SWAT: what happens if you boot your 2.4 kernel and purge/reinstall the 2.6 kernel image |
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| 00:43.24 | SWAT | I'm currently working with the 2.4, because the 2.6 won't install properly with apt-get... I'll try a reinstall :S |
| 00:43.53 | foot | soymilk, what am i missing here? where are you finding the source? is it in gaim cvs or something? |
| 00:44.01 | g8se | Can anyone tell me if dpkg-statoverride should be used in a postinstall script, or is it provided only for sysadmins to override debian defaults? |
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| 00:44.27 | dvs | SWAT: If you can install with 2.4, then do so and upgrade to 2.6 later |
| 00:44.49 | SWAT | I did... I'm trying to upgrade ATM |
| 00:46.19 | AlexW | has anybody used tunez before? |
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| 00:47.19 | csch | stew: http://pastebin.com/489492 |
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| 00:48.25 | SWAT | dvs, fbi, do you perhaps have any other guesses? |
| 00:48.34 | stew | csch: what are you authing against? pam? |
| 00:48.39 | dvs | SWAT: nope |
| 00:48.43 | foot | soymilk, this means compiling on very limited systems, doesnt it? |
| 00:48.53 | fbi | SWAT: that didn't work? |
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| 00:49.16 | SWAT | fbi, I'm currently using 2.4.x and wanted to isntall the image of the 2.6.x |
| 00:49.22 | SWAT | so I could 'upgrade' it all |
| 00:49.54 | csch | stew: where I can find this ? |
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| 00:50.18 | stew | csch: is cesar@tributario.info a normal system user? |
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| 00:50.36 | fbi | SWAT: what do you mean "upgrade it all", you're only upgrading your kernel i thought |
| 00:50.39 | csch | no.. is a qmail account |
| 00:50.41 | stew | csch: where are your users stored? in /etc/passwd? which authdaemond is running? |
| 00:51.05 | mushrooomprince | Linux is an evil operating system, it is full of daemons |
| 00:51.08 | csch | yes.. system users in /etc/passwd |
| 00:51.21 | cy_ | W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 00:51.22 | cy_ | W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 00:51.28 | cy_ | (sorry) |
| 00:51.32 | csch | but the webmail users are added using qmailadmin |
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| 00:51.56 | fbi | !tell cy_ about apt secure |
| 00:52.16 | csch | stew: http://pastebin.com/489503 |
| 00:52.20 | csch | what is running |
| 00:52.31 | cy_ | fbi; i know about it. but i had added them keys.... now i cant even find the keys with the "gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 2D230C5F" command.. |
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| 00:52.45 | SimonRaven | cy_: there seems to be a new key,people need to fetch that new key if that's the case |
| 00:53.14 | stew | csch: you have a user named "cesar" in /etc/passwd? |
| 00:53.18 | setog3 | mushrooomprince, but you can play the exorcist with /etc/init.d/daemon stop |
| 00:53.32 | SWAT | fbi, dvs thanks anyways for your troubles. I'm going to try again tomorrow..... hopefully it's work then (although I don't think so) |
| 00:53.39 | csch | yes |
| 00:53.47 | cy_ | SimonRaven; by people you mean the keyservers ? |
| 00:53.54 | abrotman | EdLin: see above |
| 00:53.54 | cy_ | or can i get that key directly, somehow ? |
| 00:53.58 | fbi | SWAT: if this is a new install, just install again and choose linux26 |
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| 00:54.22 | SWAT | fbi, I can't, trust me, I'm happy this version is on there |
| 00:54.34 | rhebi | cy_: I tried apt-key add /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg |
| 00:54.39 | rhebi | cy_: didn't seem to work |
| 00:54.50 | rhebi | work as in it didn't get rid of the problem |
| 00:55.02 | zeophlik | eeyore- : thanks for your time. i will have to go now. catch u soon.... |
| 00:55.10 | rhebi | lkjljklkj: yup but the packages it affects don't look critical |
| 00:55.10 | fbi | lkjljklkj: you better register that nick before someone else does |
| 00:55.19 | lkjljklkj | hehe |
| 00:56.01 | EdLin | abrotman: yeah, there seems to be a new key or something, I can't seem to find out how to add it from this channel though. |
| 00:56.22 | abrotman | don't you think they'd announce the new key on debian-announce or d-d-a ? |
| 00:56.28 | AlexW | how do i find out where the php file is located |
| 00:56.32 | AlexW | the bin file |
| 00:56.38 | EdLin | abrotman: I'd think so, I subsribe to d-d-a |
| 00:56.49 | EdLin | (and debian-announce I think too) |
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| 00:57.12 | beardy | AlexW: which php, locate php, man hier |
| 00:57.32 | csch | stew: any suggestion ? |
| 00:57.43 | lkjljklkj | I can't get through an apt* update without errors ... either "public key is not available" or "BADSIG F1D53D8C4F368D5D" |
| 00:57.54 | lkjljklkj | therefore no upgrade |
| 00:58.02 | SimonRaven | cy_: people, like you. i would've said servers if i meant that ;) |
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| 00:58.20 | EdLin | !nickometer lkjljklkj |
| 00:58.21 | dpkg | 'lkjljklkj' is 0.000% lame, edlin |
| 00:58.21 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 00:58.21 | cy_ | okay. thanks SimonRaven |
| 00:58.21 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 00:58.30 | dvs | ha! |
| 00:58.52 | EdLin | dpkg: you don't know what you're talking about |
| 00:59.25 | beardy | EdLin: you'll probably score higher, with the capital letter in the middle ;) |
| 00:59.37 | EdLin | !nickometer EdLin |
| 00:59.38 | dpkg | 'EdLin' is 0.000% lame, edlin |
| 00:59.46 | EdLin | beardy: nope. :-) |
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| 01:00.00 | fbi | !nickmeter EdLin |
| 01:00.00 | dpkg | EdLin is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 01:00.04 | fbi | don't use the o |
| 01:00.17 | SimonRaven | no, it counts stuff like _ [] . and various punctuation |
| 01:00.21 | fbi | ah |
| 01:00.37 | beardy | !nickometer [133t]^f4ckeR |
| 01:00.39 | dpkg | '[133t]^f4ckeR' is 82.000% lame, beardy |
| 01:00.44 | fbi | haha |
| 01:00.48 | SimonRaven | and nickmeter is rigged ;). plain factoid |
| 01:00.51 | beardy | at least it works |
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| 01:01.28 | lkjljklkj | !nickometer BADSIG-F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
| 01:01.29 | dpkg | 'BADSIG-F1D53D8C4F368D5D' is 99.9471% lame, lkjljklkj |
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| 01:01.45 | dondelelcaro | folks, please stop abusing nickometer. |
| 01:01.56 | EdLin | !botabuse |
| 01:01.56 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 01:02.25 | SimonRaven | eh, that's what you get when you educate people.. *shrug* |
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| 01:03.15 | samuel | hello all |
| 01:03.22 | samuel | ive got a problem here |
| 01:03.27 | dvs | really? |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | really? .. why don't you tell us about it? |
| 01:04.48 | abrotman | EdLin: damn it .. now i have no key! |
| 01:05.05 | samuel | #debian is quick as ever i see... im not sure how or why but i cant type correctly in X when i login, i cant even type in the username, all i see are squares... but i can login fine through console |
| 01:05.27 | SimonRaven | fonts fucked? |
| 01:05.33 | abrotman | or locale |
| 01:05.34 | samuel | whats up there? the console and X have different keymaps? |
| 01:05.43 | SimonRaven | mm, alliteration |
| 01:05.47 | beardy | !keymap |
| 01:05.48 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 01:05.55 | SimonRaven | samuel: yes |
| 01:05.58 | samuel | not the fonts, because if it were the fonts you should still be able to login |
| 01:06.03 | abrotman | ok .. so there is a new key .. but noone knows it ? |
| 01:06.07 | chops | samuel: Checked bug #345406? |
| 01:07.08 | jvw | fwiw, I just added a new paragraph to the top of ftp-master.debian.org about the new key |
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| 01:07.48 | jvw | apt seems to complain about it, but the 2005 is still also used to sign the archive, so apt shouldn't complain, but oh well |
| 01:07.52 | apt | jvw: what are you talking about? |
| 01:08.00 | jvw | apt: about you |
| 01:08.01 | apt | well, about you is i'm a bot! |
| 01:08.03 | jvw | apt: you're buggy |
| 01:08.10 | cisse | hrm is anyone using the soulmachine.net e17 repository ? |
| 01:08.26 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: 2006 key is <reply> see apt-key 2D230C5F |
| 01:08.27 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 01:09.03 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: 2006 key is <reply> run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 2D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 01:09.03 | dpkg | ...but 2006 key is already something else... |
| 01:09.06 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, 2006 key is <reply> run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 2D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 01:09.06 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | !tell edlin about 2006 key |
| 01:09.33 | dvs | wrong Edlin |
| 01:09.59 | abrotman | dvs: ? |
| 01:10.08 | abrotman | dvs: he was just having problems with his keys. |
| 01:10.13 | dvs | I thought it was Edlin and not edlin |
| 01:10.22 | beardy | I doubt dpkg care |
| 01:10.34 | abrotman | !tell DVS about blah |
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| 01:10.36 | samuel | chops, thanks that was it! thanks all! |
| 01:10.39 | beardy | !smite DVS |
| 01:10.47 | AlexW | how would i allow apache to access /mnt/tunez? |
| 01:10.55 | EdLin | it worked. :-) |
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| 01:11.07 | beardy | oh, that was of course irrelevant, heh.. |
| 01:11.15 | abrotman | EdLin: see .. that's what happens .. you were denied need-to-know information! |
| 01:11.17 | rutski89 | Does debian run things like apache2 and vsftpd as the root user by default? |
| 01:11.35 | jvw | rutski89: no, www-data and ftp respectively |
| 01:12.24 | lkjljklkj | this new key thing is a bit weird, I installed no key before ... is the change documented anywhere ? |
| 01:12.26 | rhebi | will they fix the key problem? |
| 01:12.40 | rhebi | so next year we don't ned to play this game? |
| 01:12.43 | colk_ | :) |
| 01:13.17 | rutski89 | jvm: hmm, i guess I don't know much about "ps -U root -u root u" then, I read in that man page that that shows you all processes running as root, so I did "ps -U root -u root u | grep apache" and I got saw an entry, same thing for vsftpd. Then i saw that all filesin /var/www/default-apache2 were owned by root:root, is something funky with my system? |
| 01:14.03 | SimonRaven | rhebi: what's so hard about /msg dpkg 2006 key ? |
| 01:14.07 | jvw | rutski89: there indeed is a process as root, to get it to listen on port 80 and 21. But all the interesting action is as non-root |
| 01:14.33 | lkjljklkj | rutski89, apache2 runs a bunch of children as www-data |
| 01:14.46 | rutski89 | lkjljklkj: ahh, i see |
| 01:14.53 | jvw | rutski89: that the files are owned by root, is correct, that's so that www-data nor anyone else (except root) can modify it |
| 01:15.01 | lkjljklkj | similarly /var/www/whatever probably wants to be www-data:www-data |
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| 01:15.19 | EdLin | abrotman: maybe I didn't know because my Productivty* level was too low. |
| 01:15.23 | samuel | where can i get old packages? as in a previos version of what was in sid? |
| 01:15.40 | EdLin | Productivity* even |
| 01:15.41 | rutski89 | jvm: lkjljklkj: hmm... I get the port 80/21 thing, but I'm still not clear about the root:root ownership |
| 01:16.00 | jvw | samuel: snapshot.debian.net |
| 01:16.02 | EdLin | !kingsleysmite me |
| 01:16.02 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer edlin: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.39933464307445! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 01:16.13 | SimonRaven | EdLin: k ingsley productivity? |
| 01:16.30 | EdLin | SimonRaven: yep, that's the reason I didn't hear about the new key. |
| 01:17.08 | samuel | jvw, thanks |
| 01:17.36 | EdLin | SimonRaven: abrotman was out of the loop for the same reason, of course. |
| 01:17.51 | abrotman | EdLin: no .. i've been busy at work :) |
| 01:18.00 | rutski89 | jvw: lkjljklkj: well, I did "ps -A u | grep apache" and i got mostly www-data processes, but "ps -A u | grep ftp" shows only one vsftpd process, and it's run by root |
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| 01:18.18 | EdLin | abrotman: I had the second off. |
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| 01:18.25 | jvw | rutski89: whenever someone makes a connection to vsftpd, it's forked as 'ftp', and all the interesting stuff done by it |
| 01:18.35 | EdLin | abrotman: not today tho |
| 01:18.59 | lkjljklkj | rutski89, try ps auxf |
| 01:19.53 | abrotman | EdLin: most people didn't have today off |
| 01:20.05 | EdLin | abrotman: of course. |
| 01:20.25 | raf256 | how do I create a nice patch? |
| 01:20.26 | dvs | I did |
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| 01:20.31 | raf256 | I have soruce.org and source.mine |
| 01:20.42 | raf256 | both are shallow directories with *.c *.h files |
| 01:20.58 | Eulex | tarzeau, you're in dwn :) |
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| 01:21.27 | streuner | too late |
| 01:21.34 | streuner | Mi Jan 4 02:21:32 CET 2006 |
| 01:21.43 | streuner | its the same in .ch |
| 01:21.44 | dvs | CET? |
| 01:21.47 | jvw | raf256: diff -u |
| 01:21.48 | dvs | Oh Swiss? |
| 01:21.53 | streuner | yep |
| 01:22.03 | streuner | CentralEuropeanTime? |
| 01:22.04 | jvw | raf256: diff -ruN if you're diffing directories |
| 01:22.36 | rutski89 | jvw: lkjljklkj: yup, you guys were right :) |
| 01:23.26 | raf256 | neat |
| 01:23.27 | lkjljklkj | anyone able to point me at any documentation of the key change ? |
| 01:23.43 | raf256 | I patched gradm2 to support of starting not-safe policy files for learning/testing purpose |
| 01:23.59 | raf256 | can I contact debian maintainer of gradm2 to propose this patch into unstable debian? |
| 01:24.07 | raf256 | its a __tiny__ patch, but perhaps usefull |
| 01:24.13 | jvw | raf256: yes, file it as a bug |
| 01:24.14 | rutski89 | I'm still unclear on the ownership though, why is all the stuff in apache2-default root:root? |
| 01:24.17 | abrotman | !2006 key |
| 01:24.17 | dpkg | run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 2D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 01:24.27 | raf256 | jvw: hmm its not a bug, more of wish |
| 01:24.42 | jvw | raf256: that's fine, the Debian bugsystem is also used for wishes |
| 01:24.45 | dvs | raf256: There are wishlist bugs |
| 01:24.51 | lkjljklkj | that tells me what the new key is, it doesn't tell me why or why I should trust it |
| 01:25.07 | jvw | lkjljklkj: http://ftp-master.debian.org links to the new key |
| 01:25.11 | raf256 | what are chances of the patch beeing appriciated, used and so on. It is quite usefull to grsecurity RBAC newbies |
| 01:25.31 | jvw | the command by dpkg is unsafe, it only lists the trivially duplicateable short ID |
| 01:25.47 | jvw | raf256: totally depends on what your patch does and opinion of the maintainer... |
| 01:25.50 | dondelelcaro | jvw: it's unsafe to use the longer id too... |
| 01:25.52 | jvw | raf256: I'd say, just try it |
| 01:25.55 | raf256 | ok |
| 01:26.01 | jvw | dondelelcaro: you can use the fingerprint |
| 01:26.04 | jvw | dondelelcaro: that should be safe |
| 01:26.16 | dondelelcaro | jvw: that assumes that whoever last modified the factoid did so properly. |
| 01:26.18 | jvw | recent gpg's work with fingerprint in place of the id's too |
| 01:26.40 | jvw | true -- so better link people to http://ftp-master.d.o? |
| 01:26.42 | lkjljklkj | jvw: I agree. Was the old key installed automatically ? and howcome when I did install itit was the only one there ... |
| 01:26.43 | dondelelcaro | the only way to check is to have a trust path to anthony towns |
| 01:26.49 | dondelelcaro | jvw: that doesn't help either |
| 01:27.38 | jvw | dondelelcaro: it does more, it's more trustworthy to assume DNS isn't faked, and ftp-master.debian.org is really Debian, than it is to trust some random bot on an irc channel |
| 01:28.00 | dondelelcaro | jvw: you don't really even need to fake dns... |
| 01:28.05 | EdLin | !insult dpkg |
| 01:28.06 | dpkg | dpkg is nothing but a tempestuous enema-bucketful of petrified cat-hair-balls |
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| 01:28.41 | jvw | dondelelcaro: if your internet routes are ok and DNS ok, you should be safe... |
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| 01:28.52 | jvw | dondelelcaro: it's very hard typically for a hacker to break *that* assumptio |
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| 01:29.04 | ludi | what package do I need in order to get the alsa-libs? |
| 01:29.14 | dondelelcaro | jvw: anywhere in the train is vulnerable to an attack... |
| 01:29.27 | jvw | lkjljklkj: if you used etch netinstall, yes, the key was installed automatically |
| 01:30.05 | dvs | ludi: The drivers for your sound card? |
| 01:30.16 | jvw | dondelelcaro: it's certainly not watertight security, but it is quite reasonable, esp. compared to trusting IRC bots... |
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| 01:30.31 | ludi | dvs: I suppose...yes. I'm a little confused on the subject actually. |
| 01:30.40 | blazefx | Hey all. |
| 01:30.44 | dvs | ludi: What version of the kernel? |
| 01:30.54 | ludi | 2.6.12-1-686-smp |
| 01:30.57 | jvw | you'd need to be quite paranoid to not assume tampering with IP traffic in IX's etc |
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| 01:31.19 | dvs | ludi: The drivers should already be included in the kernel. All you need now is alsa-utils |
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| 01:31.37 | ludi | dvs: okay I have alsa-utils. |
| 01:31.54 | dvs | ludi: The alsaconf should detect your soundcard |
| 01:32.29 | ludi | dvs: isn't it true that alsa is a driver, but it alsa has it's own libs? |
| 01:32.53 | dvs | ludi: No, not that I know of. |
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| 01:33.10 | jvw | the major use case for apt key being useful, is for random mirrors being compromised |
| 01:33.21 | ludi | ls -la /usr/lib/libasound.so.* |
| 01:33.21 | ludi | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2006-01-02 04:53 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 -> libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 01:33.21 | ludi | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 730784 2005-12-13 14:29 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 01:33.23 | jvw | or outright evil |
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| 01:33.48 | dvs | !find libasound.so |
| 01:34.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libasound.so' (3): (/usr/lib/bristol/libasound.so.1) in sound/bristol ;; (/usr/lib/libasound.so) in libdevel/libasound2-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{libasound.so.2|libasound.so.2.0.0}) in libs/libasound2. |
| 01:34.34 | nse | Hello all! Is there any debian program to split a avi video file into some parts, in order to glue the wantede ones? |
| 01:34.50 | dvs | I stand corrected. |
| 01:35.25 | ludi | anyone here play America's Army? |
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| 01:35.32 | ludi | (the game, I mean) |
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| 01:36.34 | ludi | is /dev/dsp an OSS thing? |
| 01:36.39 | dvs | ludi: yes |
| 01:36.53 | EdLin | abrotman: I've imported the new key too, and darn it apt still complains about not having a key. |
| 01:37.06 | abrotman | doh! |
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| 01:37.39 | ludi | is this an OSS thing? /dev/[sound/]dsp |
| 01:37.44 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
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| 01:38.14 | nse | anyone can help me? |
| 01:38.27 | wwallace_lap | ask |
| 01:38.31 | wwallace_lap | dont ask to ask |
| 01:38.35 | wwallace_lap | !ask |
| 01:38.35 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: he already did |
| 01:38.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:38.45 | wwallace_lap | oh sorry |
| 01:38.49 | wwallace_lap | i was late then |
| 01:38.53 | abrotman | obviously |
| 01:38.54 | wwallace_lap | my apologies |
| 01:38.55 | nse | yes... |
| 01:39.05 | nse | so... can you help me? |
| 01:39.08 | abrotman | nse: what OS will be recieving them ? |
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| 01:39.31 | nse | abrotman: windows and linux |
| 01:39.48 | abrotman | nse: you could use split .. but i don't know how windows would glue them back together |
| 01:39.49 | nse | abrotman: is there any problem with windows reading avi files? |
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| 01:40.03 | abrotman | nse: windows . read avi files ? .. are you serious ? |
| 01:40.19 | nse | abrotman: I mean, windows will play the files, when they get the final video from my site |
| 01:40.32 | abrotman | nse: depends how it's split isuppse |
| 01:40.42 | nse | abrotman: they dont't? |
| 01:40.55 | abrotman | nse: yes .. of course windows can play avi |
| 01:41.47 | nse | abrotman: yes... maybe split can do that.. but how to glue the output? |
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| 01:42.33 | adrakoa | nse with cat, are you drunk? |
| 01:43.02 | nse | adrakoa: so simple!? |
| 01:43.11 | abrotman | nse: with cat in linux .. in windows .. NFC |
| 01:43.20 | abrotman | hehe .. type :) |
| 01:43.25 | adrakoa | nse wellcome to unix system, cat + > |
| 01:43.49 | lkjljklkj | EdLin, the new key is working for me ... tried gpg --list-sigs ? |
| 01:43.55 | nse | adrakoa: what do you mean by cat + > ? |
| 01:44.10 | lkjljklkj | there used to be a DOS prog called join which unsplit things |
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| 01:44.36 | adrakoa | cat parts_file_* >> file |
| 01:44.42 | abrotman | adrakoa: and win32 ? |
| 01:44.49 | grapefruiter | can somone give me some reasons to why i should not use ubuntu |
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| 01:44.55 | adrakoa | windows support |
| 01:45.10 | abrotman | grapefruiter: you're in #debian |
| 01:45.23 | tilrman | nse: do the little files need to to playable .avi's? |
| 01:45.27 | grapefruiter | abrotman: i know, why is ubuntu bad |
| 01:45.27 | nse | hey I have a problem... |
| 01:45.29 | cheal | grapefruiter: because ubuntu is not debian |
| 01:45.41 | grapefruiter | btw gentoo > debian |
| 01:45.52 | nse | tilrman: no they dont need |
| 01:45.54 | kspath | grapefruiter: opinion |
| 01:45.55 | abrotman | grapefruiter: are you going to keep trolling ? |
| 01:45.56 | thingfish | *plonk* |
| 01:46.12 | abrotman | !tell grapefruiter about why debian |
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| 01:46.21 | grapefruiter | abrotman: no |
| 01:46.27 | tilrman | nse: then just split them up into something winzip can handle like (heaven forbid) .rar |
| 01:46.44 | abrotman | grapefruiter: then why would you use debian or ubuntu if you think gentoo is superior ? |
| 01:46.52 | kspath | grapefruiter: built from scratch is GREATER than gentoo go build EVERYTHING from scratch enjoy |
| 01:46.57 | dvs | abrotman: lack of time. ;-) |
| 01:47.02 | abrotman | lack of cpu |
| 01:47.22 | thingfish | adequate sense. |
| 01:47.23 | nse | hey I have a problem: I know which time will be the cut. but I don't know how to give this in file size to split |
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| 01:47.32 | grapefruiter | if any one wants to bitch about how bad ubuntu is feel free to PM me |
| 01:47.35 | nse | tilrman: split can do the same? |
| 01:47.43 | abrotman | grapefruiter: please go to #ubuntu |
| 01:47.52 | cafuego | abrotman: No, keep him off there |
| 01:47.52 | adrakoa | nse man split |
| 01:47.58 | kspath | lol |
| 01:48.13 | tilrman | nse: no, youll have to find a linux utility that will generate something that winzip can handle |
| 01:48.20 | abrotman | cafuego: why? .. Ubuntu is offtopic here ... at least he wants to talk about how bad it is .. it would be OnT(though a troll) |
| 01:48.26 | grapefruiter | abrotman, everyone at ubuntu obviously like the distro |
| 01:48.34 | mboso | when you run ./configure what option do you use to passing something to the compiler? I was to payy -m32 to gcc |
| 01:48.37 | abrotman | grapefruiter: do you have any questions related to debian ? |
| 01:48.40 | mboso | was=want |
| 01:48.44 | lkjljklkj | Today's changelof fear: "Fix bug where memory wasn't written past the end of where it was allocated" - does this say that memory is now written past the end of the allocation ? |
| 01:48.47 | mboso | payy=pass |
| 01:48.47 | cafuego | abrotman: Much like #debian, #ubuntu is for _support_. |
| 01:49.03 | grapefruiter | abrotman: calm down |
| 01:49.05 | tilrman | nse: i'd start by figuring out what winzip can do |
| 01:49.22 | cafuego | abrotman: Discussing the 2 ways in which Gentoo is superior doesn't come into it ;-) |
| 01:49.23 | adrakoa | grapefruiter ubuntu have a good support to the newbie. |
| 01:49.27 | kspath | grapefruiter: do you have anything to say about debian? |
| 01:49.34 | abrotman | cafuego: there are two ? |
| 01:49.54 | cafuego | abrotman: 1) user error 2) system error |
| 01:49.58 | grapefruiter | no i dont use debian |
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| 01:50.03 | cafuego | abrotman: I'm not aware of others |
| 01:50.04 | abrotman | cafuego: hehe |
| 01:50.07 | grapefruiter | i was told that the debian guys hated ubuntu |
| 01:50.22 | grapefruiter | i guess u guys like ubuntu =( |
| 01:50.28 | abrotman | !tell grapefruiter about u |
| 01:50.34 | cafuego | grapefruiter: Try #ubuntu-otfftopic |
| 01:50.42 | abrotman | offtopic too :) |
| 01:50.50 | cafuego | ssshhh! |
| 01:50.58 | nse | adrakoa: there is nothing like splitting something related to it's duration... just about file sizes! |
| 01:51.04 | kspath | grapefruiter: maybe #thingsiwastoldabout |
| 01:51.12 | resiak | grapefruiter: FFS. I can't believe you actually _came_ here. |
| 01:51.26 | grapefruiter | abrotman: i love U |
| 01:51.28 | abrotman | cafuego: at least if he went to #u .. they could point him to the correct forums to discuss his lack of knowledge |
| 01:51.30 | abrotman | !tell grapefruiter about u |
| 01:51.30 | resiak | He's trolling #lugradio at the moment. |
| 01:51.41 | nse | grapefruiter: I like you. |
| 01:51.48 | cafuego | abrotman: That's what I just did ;-) |
| 01:51.50 | grapefruiter | nse: lika ya too |
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| 01:52.07 | abrotman | is everyone that uses gentoo such a tard? |
| 01:52.11 | nse | grapefruiter: what's your name? |
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| 01:52.15 | resiak | abrotman: No, actually. |
| 01:52.19 | Triffid_Hunter | abrotman: no |
| 01:52.30 | grapefruiter | Triffid_Hunter_ whats up |
| 01:52.36 | abrotman | are you sure? .. I mean .. they say some of the dumbest things |
| 01:52.38 | jan2 | Hi, i created a lvm2 volume, but when i try to mount it, i get: mount: /dev/data/lv_data already mounted or bla/ busy , but it's not mounted anywhere and my CWD is not bla/ |
| 01:52.39 | bush | only the ones who are way too hard over it |
| 01:52.43 | abrotman | or maybe it's just the uneducated ones |
| 01:52.43 | resiak | abrotman: I know one... |
| 01:52.43 | Trevor | hi |
| 01:52.49 | kspath | abrotman: they have to do something while they rebuild everything trolling and messing with other distros seems to be one time passer |
| 01:52.55 | Eulex | grapefruiter, this is *not* your general chit-chat channel. |
| 01:53.06 | grapefruiter | Eulex: are U sure |
| 01:53.07 | cafuego | abrotman: There's still tv show with Bill Cosby. "Gentoobies say the darndest things" |
| 01:53.14 | cafuego | s/still/this/ |
| 01:53.14 | abrotman | cafuego: can't you kick them both? |
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| 01:53.22 | abrotman | cafuego: heh |
| 01:53.23 | grapefruiter | abrotman: wow stop crying |
| 01:53.27 | abrotman | grapefruiter: stop trolling |
| 01:53.30 | cafuego | abrotman: I don't have kick privs anywhere but #osia |
| 01:53.34 | nse | look at you all. you guys says that those issues about other distros are off-topic. you're doing such a big conversation just becouse of the ubunto guy! |
| 01:53.41 | abrotman | cafuego: oh .. sorry .. i got confused |
| 01:53.48 | abrotman | cafuego: and where the hell have you been hiding ? |
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| 01:53.58 | cafuego | abrotman: #ubuntu, actually ;-) |
| 01:54.00 | nse | and no one is helping me with my video split! |
| 01:54.03 | grapefruiter | I guess i have changed all of your lives |
| 01:54.05 | abrotman | cafuego: you dirty dirty man |
| 01:54.15 | cafuego | abrotman: Howso? |
| 01:54.15 | abrotman | yes .. my IQ just dropped |
| 01:54.19 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm joking |
| 01:54.20 | grapefruiter | abrotman: why dont you use ubuntu |
| 01:54.26 | abrotman | why would i? |
| 01:54.28 | Eulex | nse, what kind of video? |
| 01:54.34 | cafuego | !rule 1 |
| 01:54.34 | dpkg | hmm... rule 1 is "Run a stock kernel, get a stock problem" |
| 01:54.46 | cafuego | that's not rule 1. Liar. |
| 01:54.50 | grapefruiter | abrotman: im wondering, why aren't U using ubuntu |
| 01:54.56 | abrotman | !tell grapefruiter about u |
| 01:55.00 | abrotman | grapefruiter: why should i? |
| 01:55.16 | nse | Eulex: a .avi video - I was told to use split to split the file into the parts. but i don't know how to give it the right parameter so split, becouse i know the moments in time |
| 01:55.22 | grapefruiter | !tell abrotman about me |
| 01:55.38 | grapefruiter | !tell abrotman about u |
| 01:55.40 | bush | why is my etch box suddenly telling me the pgp key for kernel.org is not available? |
| 01:55.44 | abrotman | freaking idiots |
| 01:55.45 | kspath | scrolling troll |
| 01:55.50 | abrotman | bush: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 01:55.57 | bush | thanks |
| 01:56.06 | asuffield | grapefruiter: do you have anything useful to add? |
| 01:56.14 | grapefruiter | yes, I use gentoo |
| 01:56.16 | abrotman | cafuego: can you give it to #gentoo? |
| 01:56.17 | Eulex | nse, umh... split doesn't split files in that way. it just splits based on byte offset. |
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| 01:56.35 | cafuego | abrotman: If I went there I'd get cooties |
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| 01:56.45 | abrotman | asuffield: his friend joined with him |
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| 01:56.50 | cafuego | asuffield: thanks :-) |
| 01:56.56 | adrakoa | grapefruiter why do you make a emerge system and after return :)? |
| 01:56.58 | nse | Eulex: that's what I thought! what can I do now, then? |
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| 01:56.59 | Triffid_Hunter | nse: man avisplit... divide filesize in two, tell it to make em that size plus 16k or so |
| 01:57.06 | Eulex | nse, you could try avidemux or mpgtx. |
| 01:57.26 | nse | Eulex: does mpgtx handle avi files? |
| 01:57.38 | asuffield | abrotman: I don't see him actively being a moron |
| 01:57.46 | abrotman | asuffield: okeedokee |
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| 01:57.57 | blazefx | Hello all, |
| 01:58.04 | Eulex | nse, maybe, of they are mpeg-encoded. but do as Triffid_Hunter said, use avisplit. it's in the package transcode. |
| 01:58.12 | nse | Triffid_Hunter: what do you mean, there's no avisplit |
| 01:58.21 | abrotman | !find avisplit sarge |
| 01:58.31 | Eulex | nse, it's in transcode. |
| 01:58.47 | nse | Eulex: mplayer... what the fuck |
| 01:59.32 | blazefx | I am having some trouble mounting my ipod. When i try to mount it ( following a guide ) by using mount -v -t hfsplus /dev/sda2 /mnt/ipod It gives me an error about the filesystem on the ipod. |
| 01:59.45 | abrotman | why can't #gentoo control thier users |
| 01:59.54 | blazefx | I dmseg | tail it and it says unsable to find HFS+ block |
| 01:59.59 | bush | they're too busy recompiling their IRC clients abrotman |
| 02:00.05 | blazefx | lol |
| 02:00.13 | resiak | blazefx: Are you sure (a) that it's hfsplus; (b) that it's sda2; (c) that you should ask your question split across several messages? |
| 02:00.23 | kspath | abrotman: they have nothing else to do while they are building everything |
| 02:00.38 | Triffid_Hunter | blazefx: maybe its vfat? i hear ipods come with that too |
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| 02:00.41 | blazefx | resiak I actually never asked a question |
| 02:00.54 | abrotman | fdisk -l should reveal it |
| 02:00.57 | Eulex | nse, oh, yes, it's in marillat. |
| 02:01.00 | Eulex | !marillat |
| 02:01.00 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 02:01.07 | resiak | blazefx: Then that can be point (d) that you don't want to get around to actually _asking_ anything? |
| 02:01.07 | blazefx | Thanks Triffid_Hunter , I have been googling but haven't found anything useful yet. |
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| 02:01.50 | Triffid_Hunter | blazefx: the wikipedia entry on ipods had many useful links last time i checked ;) |
| 02:01.57 | ludi | is this OSS? /dev/[sound/]dsp |
| 02:02.03 | protoloco | how can i know the numer of sockets create in some time ? |
| 02:02.10 | wwallace_lap | !sources |
| 02:02.11 | dpkg | sources are to unstable.. |
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| 02:02.22 | blazefx | well its fat32 |
| 02:02.26 | resiak | dpkg: forget sources |
| 02:02.31 | blazefx | funny apple uses fat32 |
| 02:02.32 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'avisplit' returned no results. |
| 02:02.37 | abrotman | dpkg: you're slow |
| 02:02.44 | resiak | blazefx: hfs+ doesn't work on win32. |
| 02:02.48 | resiak | dpkg: +forget sources |
| 02:02.49 | dpkg | will not delete 'sources', count > limit (110 > 100) use 'no, ' instead. |
| 02:02.50 | resiak | abrotman: ^^ |
| 02:03.00 | abrotman | resiak: wtf is that ? |
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| 02:03.03 | resiak | abrotman: NFI |
| 02:03.09 | blazefx | k, ill be back |
| 02:03.21 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: what is that ? <dpkg> will not delete 'sources', count > limit (110 > 100) use 'no, ' instead. |
| 02:03.33 | nse | Triffid_Hunter: what do you mean to tell them to make that size plus 16k? |
| 02:03.39 | protoloco | how can i know the numer of sockets created in some time ? kind of History Log of sockets created.. |
| 02:03.41 | Eulex | blazefx, very funny. fat and ntfs happens to be the only file systems that windows supports out of the box. |
| 02:03.45 | bbrazil | its been requested 100 times..., probably similar to time protection |
| 02:03.48 | bbrazil | *110 |
| 02:03.51 | kspath | BTW for those using wikipedia a lot please consider donating some money to support them I am personally unemployed else I would do so myself |
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| 02:03.57 | abrotman | bbrazil: no .. it told me the same thing in msg |
| 02:04.01 | bush | is ftp.nerim.net down? |
| 02:04.08 | bush | nevermind |
| 02:04.14 | Eulex | bush, no |
| 02:04.23 | resiak | abrotman: I think bbrazil is right, actually. |
| 02:04.23 | bbrazil | abrotman: tried a factinfo? |
| 02:04.31 | bush | apt-get says connection refused for ftp.nerim.net |
| 02:04.33 | abrotman | !factinfo bbrazil |
| 02:04.33 | dpkg | abrotman: there's no such factoid as bbrazil |
| 02:04.35 | abrotman | duh |
| 02:04.37 | abrotman | !factinfo sources |
| 02:04.37 | dpkg | sources -- created by DarkFire2 <~asfd@pcd248205.netvigator.com> at Tue Apr 23 11:23:57 2002 (1351 days); it has been requested 110 times, last by starscalling at Mon Nov 28 17:20:29 2005. |
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| 02:04.55 | abrotman | bbrazil: i misunderstood you |
| 02:04.58 | ercin | is the Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key changed? |
| 02:05.03 | bbrazil | abrotman: no porblem |
| 02:05.06 | abrotman | bbrazil: i thought you mean the delete was requested 100+ times |
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| 02:05.15 | bbrazil | ercin: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 02:05.15 | abrotman | !tell ercin about 2006 key |
| 02:05.30 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ignore me .. bbrazil has educated me :) |
| 02:06.05 | bbrazil | abrotman: I still don't know why its happend though. I'll poke at it, point it to sources.list at worst |
| 02:06.08 | ercin | bbrazil, abrotman thanks a lot |
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| 02:06.26 | abrotman | bbrazil: well .. we can change it .. just not delete it |
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| 02:07.50 | tilrman | nse: iirc, the dos 'copy' command will concatenate files if you give it a list of files ("file1+file2+file3") as the source and a filename as the destination ... that would recombine the results of 'split', i think |
| 02:07.53 | Wyzard|TP | I've found what looks to be a bug though, due to the key change: I noticed that "apt-key update" looks for a file called /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg, and tells me I should install the debian-keyring package if the file isn't found, but debian-keyring contains no such file |
| 02:08.09 | bbrazil | abrotman: interesting - after changing it (fixed the grammar) it gives the protected by time error |
| 02:08.20 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:09.08 | nandro | question about samba. I have been using mepis, and it seems to see all my windows shares just the way its installed. I have tried both ubuntu and debian and cannot seem to get it to work even though I have tried editing the files as per the docs online. Any advice? |
| 02:09.43 | abrotman | nandro: #samba .. samba.org .. smbclient ? |
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| 02:09.58 | cat | stew: u there? |
| 02:09.58 | deluxepns_______ | is there really anything about the debian distro that is really optimized for your personal hardware or all these binary packages used just compiled for the x86 architecture |
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| 02:10.23 | ercin | pfffff, keyserver times out |
| 02:10.28 | nandro | tried everything I could find there. If I do install debian now, would it be possible to get som online help here on the fly? |
| 02:10.32 | abrotman | there is a kernel for your CPU .. and libc6-i686 or something like that |
| 02:10.43 | bbrazil | abrotman: pointing to sources.list now anyway - nice bit of info in that factoid |
| 02:10.45 | nkuttler | deluxepns_______: kernel, and change your nick |
| 02:10.56 | dondelelcaro | deluxepns_______: optimizing for "personal hardware" is quite often a red hering. In the cases where it actually matters, there are libraries and kernels which have been compiled appropriately. |
| 02:10.57 | stew | cat: just back from dinner |
| 02:11.02 | abrotman | bbrazil: no more apt-setup |
| 02:11.06 | stew | got a bunch of comped pumpkin beers yay! |
| 02:11.07 | deluxepns_______ | naw i'll pass |
| 02:11.09 | cat | i saw you're query =) |
| 02:11.09 | abrotman | or so i'm told |
| 02:11.14 | cat | didnd't worked though stew |
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| 02:11.15 | bbrazil | abrotman: ? |
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| 02:11.18 | resiak | ... |
| 02:11.23 | thingfish | like we cared. |
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| 02:11.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: what's the deal with apt-setup ? |
| 02:11.36 | stew | cat: if you got my /msg and restarted inetd it will work |
| 02:11.41 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: what about it? |
| 02:11.46 | cat | i did restarted it but it's not working wondering why |
| 02:11.50 | stew | abrotman: base-config is going byebye |
| 02:11.53 | abrotman | why does everyone keep saying it went away ? |
| 02:11.59 | nandro | I really want to go with regular debian rather than a modified (butched) version |
| 02:12.03 | bkervaski | Hey Guys ... I just installed Debian (Sarge), latest netinst iso image was used ... I can't get XFree86 to put my monitor to sleep... I'm using the included "nv" driver... Any suggestions? The video card is a Quadro 900XGL ... |
| 02:12.04 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: because base-config went away... |
| 02:12.11 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: will it be coming back? |
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| 02:12.20 | Ringworm | I'm trying to compile a program from BSD on Debian and have run into a problem. /usr/include/stings.h has a definition for strlcat but I need to know which library has this function, there doesn't seem to be a man page for it. Anyone have an idea? |
| 02:12.22 | cat | stew: this is how it looks "ident stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/nullidentd nullidentd kill-9" |
| 02:12.24 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: dunno. |
| 02:12.27 | aurax | http://www.audioforce.net:6900/listen.pls |
| 02:12.31 | resiak | Ringworm: apt-get install manpages-dev |
| 02:12.33 | stew | cat: did you restart inetd? |
| 02:12.36 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: the alternative being ... ? |
| 02:12.45 | nandro | is mepis bad as far as debian off shoots? |
| 02:12.46 | Ringworm | resiak: thanks :) |
| 02:12.50 | cat | yes i did stew |
| 02:12.51 | resiak | !mepi |
| 02:12.53 | resiak | !mepis |
| 02:12.53 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 02:13.01 | bkervaski | Anyone? |
| 02:13.01 | cat | /etc/init.d/inetd restart; |
| 02:13.12 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: $EDITOR? ;-) I think bits of what were in base-config should make a comeback as a package built off of d-i, but I don't know if anyone has done that work. |
| 02:13.30 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: more a question for #-boot i suppose eh ? |
| 02:13.45 | stew | cat: killall -1 inetd ; and try again. you can test with "telnet localhost auth" and then type "whatever<enter>" |
| 02:13.49 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: probably; I really haven't been following that discussion very carefully |
| 02:13.55 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 02:13.56 | nandro | ok, I'm going to install debian now, maybe when I get back someone more knowlegable can help me get it to see my windows shares |
| 02:14.00 | abrotman | bbrazil: see .. that! |
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| 02:14.14 | cat | inetd: no process killed |
| 02:14.17 | cat | intresting |
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| 02:14.21 | nandro | I have done my reading and its probably a stupid mistake on my part |
| 02:14.32 | nandro | anything I should do during install |
| 02:14.53 | nandro | any specific version of debian? |
| 02:14.57 | abrotman | !d-i nandro |
| 02:14.57 | dpkg | nandro, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:15.00 | stew | !base-config is also being phased out, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/12/msg00259.html for status |
| 02:15.00 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 02:15.20 | nandro | thank you |
| 02:15.59 | cat | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 02:15.59 | cat | Connected to localhost.localdomain. |
| 02:15.59 | cat | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 02:15.59 | cat | Connection closed by foreign host. |
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| 02:16.07 | cat | that's the error i got stew |
| 02:16.10 | abrotman | cat: you should know better |
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| 02:16.27 | cat | oh ok Sorry |
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| 02:17.06 | bkervaski | Hi all. I'm looking for some help getting the "nv" XFree86 standard driver to put my monitor to sleep. I'm using a Quadro 950XGL video card and it's Debian Sarge (latest) ... |
| 02:17.25 | abrotman | bkervaski: DPMS |
| 02:17.34 | abrotman | bkervaski: shuldn't have anything to do with your driver |
| 02:17.41 | bkervaski | I have the DPMS option turned on in my X config ... |
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| 02:17.45 | cat | stew: any ideas? |
| 02:17.53 | abrotman | bkervaski: did you try setting it with xset ? |
| 02:17.55 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 02:17.55 | dpkg | hmm... dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
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| 02:19.10 | stew | cat: see whatever is listening to 113 aka auth, and send that a -1 |
| 02:19.18 | cat | huh stew ? |
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| 02:19.31 | stew | cat: what you have should work now, i tested on 2 machines |
| 02:20.00 | cat | stew: so when i started my Bx it's the same ident cat |
| 02:20.02 | bkervaski | Just tried xset, same thing, just blanks the screen ... Could it be the modeline I added to enable my 1650x1080 widescreen resolution? |
| 02:20.06 | lkjljklkj | on a vaguely related note, when X starts it detects the capabilities of my monitor which undersells itself somewhat ... so I start x with the monitor disconnected ... how can I tell X to ignore the plug'n'play stuff for the monitor ? |
| 02:20.32 | abrotman | bkervaski: wait .. that's not what you want ? |
| 02:20.33 | doleyb | lkjljklkj: look for EDID in x conf |
| 02:20.38 | stew | cat: i don't know what that last sentence meant |
| 02:20.43 | phogg | Damn it. Why don't all of the ftp programs add themselves to the ftp alternatives list? |
| 02:20.44 | lkjljklkj | cheers doleyb |
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| 02:21.06 | stew | phogg: which doesn't, is it command line compatible? |
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| 02:21.23 | abrotman | bkervaski: you want it to turn off the moniotor .. not just blank the screen ? |
| 02:21.34 | sonyman | Does anyone know of a way to get k3b installed in etch? A custom binary perhaps? |
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| 02:21.43 | cat | stew: ok but i'm wondering what can i do to changed the ident from cat to something else? |
| 02:21.44 | abrotman | sonyman: wait a few days .. try arson instead |
| 02:21.48 | bkervaski | Yep, put the monitor in standby ... I did an xset q and it says DPMS is Enabled ... |
| 02:21.49 | tilrman | you cant really blame somebody named 'cat' (in a unixy chan) for getting kicked for flooding |
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| 02:22.05 | asg | tilrman: yes we can |
| 02:22.07 | sonyman | abrotman, a few days? Is there new development in the works? |
| 02:22.08 | abrotman | bkervaski: yes .. but what is the time for it to turn off ? |
| 02:22.14 | doleyb | lkjljklkj: http://john.fremlin.de/programs/linux/read-edid/ |
| 02:22.17 | abrotman | sonyman: C++ ABI changes |
| 02:22.18 | phogg | stew: I just installed all ftp clients I could find for comparison and still only have netkit-ftp and lukemftp as alternatives. I installed zftp tnftp lftp yafcwput tftp ncftp2 hsftp ftp cl-ftp cftp atftp lukemftp at least most of which are command line clients |
| 02:22.30 | bkervaski | For testing, I have it set for 1 minute ... For all settings ... |
| 02:22.33 | sonyman | abrotman, layman's terms? |
| 02:22.33 | abrotman | bkervaski: what's the time for suspend/off ? |
| 02:22.41 | bkervaski | abrotman: 1m |
| 02:22.42 | abrotman | sonyman: stuff is all screwed up :) |
| 02:22.47 | sonyman | :) |
| 02:22.49 | lkjljklkj | doleyb, EDID is not to be found in -r /etc/X11/* ... i'll lokk at that link |
| 02:23.01 | abrotman | sonyman: KDE is written in C++ .. every C++ app needs reocmpiled |
| 02:23.07 | sonyman | abrotman, do you know of a dpkg for arson? |
| 02:23.14 | abrotman | sonyman: apt-get install arson ? |
| 02:23.17 | doleyb | lkjljklkj: the link says that what you want is NoDDC, but you read it and check. |
| 02:23.19 | sonyman | abrotman, why do they all need to be recompiled |
| 02:23.25 | stew | phogg: when i say command line compatible i mean do they support all the netkit-ftp cli options exactly the same way netkit-ftp does |
| 02:23.39 | abrotman | sonyman: C++ ABI |
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| 02:23.47 | sonyman | abrotman, sorry, wasn't thinking. arson is in apt |
| 02:23.52 | abrotman | yes it is! |
| 02:24.08 | bkervaski | It's a Dell 2001FPW ... |
| 02:24.13 | stew | phogg: for any that do look like cli drop in replacements, file a wishlist bug /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 02:24.17 | phogg | stew: Ah, I see the distinction |
| 02:24.24 | phogg | stew: thanks |
| 02:24.33 | bkervaski | It works fine w/Ubuntu .. Makes me think it's my XFree86 config ... |
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| 02:25.14 | bkervaski | Would a custom modeline cause DPMS to not suspend the monitor? |
| 02:25.25 | abrotman | bkervaski: any hints in the X logs ? |
| 02:25.39 | cafuego | script language="javascript" type="text/javascript" src="/jscripts/hydrogen/js/hydrogen.js"></script> |
| 02:25.40 | protoloco | how can i know the numer of sockets created in some time ? kind of History Log of sockets created.. |
| 02:25.44 | cafuego | oops |
| 02:25.45 | stew | bkervaski: i can't imagine it has anything to do with a modeline |
| 02:25.58 | abrotman | cafuego: don't you have something better to do? .. i mean really .. JS ? |
| 02:26.00 | doleyb | protoloco: have you played with netstat -t ? |
| 02:26.08 | stew | !comfort cafuego |
| 02:26.08 | dpkg | There, there, cafuego. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:26.09 | protoloco | doleyb, nop |
| 02:26.10 | asg | cafuego: It wouldn't be the first time ;) |
| 02:26.24 | cafuego | abrotman: 's an in-browser html editor with image upload for clients' sites |
| 02:26.53 | abrotman | cafuego: you're evil :) |
| 02:27.00 | doleyb | protoloco: maybe netstat -ts says it, or maybe read man netstat and find way |
| 02:27.04 | cafuego | abrotman: No, just lazy |
| 02:27.16 | bkervaski | Thanks all... Back to google! :) |
| 02:28.10 | Yango | have any of you made the dlink DWL-G122 work with /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 02:28.24 | Yango | wireless USB card |
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| 02:28.33 | mith | um |
| 02:28.41 | abrotman | Yango: chipset would be? |
| 02:29.04 | mith | all you have to do to 'make it work with /etc/network/interfaces' is make sure the driver loads to the point where it has a device name? |
| 02:29.09 | abrotman | Yango: does it work at all ? |
| 02:29.17 | Yango | rt2570, I have the driver, and it works with the provided (in the driver) config app, but i just couldn't pass appropriate parameters through the interfaces file |
| 02:29.30 | sonyman | For some reason apt can't authenticate any packages today (debian etch, latest everything). Any thoughts? |
| 02:29.31 | abrotman | Yango: man 5 interfaces ? |
| 02:29.36 | asg | Yango: man 7 wireless |
| 02:29.38 | abrotman | sonyman: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 02:30.03 | sonyman | the key changed for '06? Does it change every year? |
| 02:30.19 | dondelelcaro | sonyman: yes. |
| 02:30.27 | sonyman | Ok thanks |
| 02:30.51 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: 2006 key =~ s/2D230C5F/084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F/g |
| 02:30.51 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 02:30.53 | cafuego | !dict quaint |
| 02:30.55 | dpkg | Dictionary 'quaint' (5 of 12): Clerks be full subtle and full quaint. --Chaucer. ;; Every look was coy and wondrous quaint. --Spenser. ;; Some stroke of quaint yet simple pleasantry. --Macaulay. ;; attractively old-fashioned (but not necessarily authentic); "houses with quaint thatched roofs"; "a vaulted roof supporting old-time chimney pots" ;; Syn: Quaint, Odd, Antique.. |
| 02:31.11 | Yango | thanks, I've read that like three times... I just wondered if any of you had done it through that file, it seems some parameters, especially those from iwpriv, can't be set throught the interfaces file |
| 02:31.19 | abrotman | cafuego: it's like australia |
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| 02:31.45 | asg | abrotman: australia? quaint? |
| 02:31.57 | abrotman | asg: is perhaps 'desolate' a better word? :) |
| 02:32.16 | asg | abrotman: Pirates of the Caribbean is 'quaint' |
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| 02:32.38 | abrotman | dunno . that's a lot of makeup for a guy :) |
| 02:32.51 | asg | !rimshot |
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| 02:33.02 | abrotman | asg: !rimjob ? |
| 02:33.14 | asg | !rimshot is <reply>BA-DUM-TSHT! |
| 02:33.14 | dpkg | asg: okay |
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| 02:33.47 | Yango | it seems you can't pass iwpriv parameters to a card through interfaces without a script :( |
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| 02:33.56 | abrotman | so use a script :) |
| 02:34.39 | nanok | Yango: pre-up/post-up options in interfaces wont do it for you?.. |
| 02:35.27 | abrotman | nanok: that implies a script :) |
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| 02:38.02 | noideaatall | whats best way to compare dats in bash ? |
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| 02:38.16 | SerajewelKS | noideaatall: what is a "dat" |
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| 02:38.28 | noideaatall | dates i mean ..sorrry |
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| 02:38.44 | SerajewelKS | noideaatall: i would think as a unix timestamp |
| 02:38.47 | Yango | well, will go to delve in post-up scripting. for the record, besides this little annoyance, this USB wifi card works pretty good. (D-Link DWL-G122) |
| 02:39.05 | Yango | thanks all |
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| 02:39.16 | asg | noideaatall: you are better off using Perl or Python to do such things |
| 02:39.22 | Lord_Athur | how do i mount a squashfs file? |
| 02:39.24 | noideaatall | SerajewelKS: huh ? |
| 02:39.51 | dondelelcaro | noideaatall: use $(date -d foodate +%s) or similar with -gt or whatever. |
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| 02:41.35 | Lord_Athur | hey debian users :how do i mount a squashfs file? |
| 02:41.52 | SerajewelKS | how does ltrace differ from strace? |
| 02:42.04 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: just ONE Letter! |
| 02:42.08 | rutski89 | Why is all stuff in /var/www/apache2-default set to root:root ownership by default? |
| 02:42.08 | SerajewelKS | Lord_Athur: mount file mountpoint -o loop |
| 02:42.16 | rutski89 | and should stuff in /home/ftp be owned by ftp:nogroup? |
| 02:42.16 | Fluten | i installed some gnome stuff, and it put a white mouse cursor in many of my apps. how can i get my black cursor back? |
| 02:42.20 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: informative as usual ;) |
| 02:42.40 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: hey .. somedays i'm very helpful! |
| 02:42.59 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: they don't have man pages ? |
| 02:43.01 | stew | SerajewelKS: strace tracks system calls ltrace tracks library calls |
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| 02:43.23 | Lord_Athur | SerajewelKS, it says that i need to specify the file system |
| 02:43.25 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i haven't installed ltrace yet |
| 02:43.37 | SerajewelKS | Lord_Athur: what does 'file' say that the file is? |
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| 02:43.51 | lispy | i had a server get comprimised, so now i want to reinstall from scratch. What is a good way to get the complete list of packages that i have so i can easily tell apt what to install? |
| 02:44.00 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | hello guys, one question ... how to disable in apt-get cheking signatures? |
| 02:44.06 | asg | lispy: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 02:44.06 | SerajewelKS | lispy: dpkg -l | grep '^.i' |
| 02:44.07 | roby | My login is member of the cdrom group, i can read/write cdroms fine, but i can not play dvd movies unless i use sudo, what can i do? |
| 02:44.12 | lispy | asg: thanks |
| 02:44.12 | bbrazil | lispy: dpkg --get-selections |
| 02:44.15 | rutski89 | lispy: ouch, how'd that happen? |
| 02:44.18 | asg | lispy: you're welcome |
| 02:44.20 | Lord_Athur | SerajewelKS, /home/alejandro/modules.squashfs: data |
| 02:44.33 | SerajewelKS | Lord_Athur: doesn't look like squashfs then... |
| 02:44.49 | lispy | rutski89: well, i've been negelecting the server the past 3 months it it looks as though they may have brute forced the root password over ssh |
| 02:44.57 | Triffid_Hunter | roby: maybe you need to be in the video group too? |
| 02:45.11 | roby | Triffid_Hunter: let me try ... |
| 02:45.12 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | well? :) |
| 02:45.12 | rutski89 | lispy: do you know why did it? |
| 02:45.14 | lispy | rutski89: so now i've deleted .ssh on all my accounts and changed my passwords :) |
| 02:45.18 | rutski89 | lispy: was there any dammage? |
| 02:45.19 | roby | Triffid_Hunter: i already am in video group |
| 02:45.21 | rutski89 | lispy: hehe, yea |
| 02:45.28 | asg | AuReUs_ReCtoR: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 02:45.28 | lispy | rutski89: to turn it into a phishing box for ebay scams |
| 02:45.36 | rutski89 | lispy: :( |
| 02:45.49 | lispy | i should probably save the log files for further analysis |
| 02:45.51 | rutski89 | lispy: I didn't think stuff like that really happend |
| 02:45.58 | SerajewelKS | lispy: nice, maybe some of that spam i got recently linked to your box then ;) |
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| 02:46.15 | elriah | clear |
| 02:46.15 | lispy | SerajewelKS: did it mention dagit.redirectme.net as the domain name? |
| 02:46.22 | elriah | shit .. wrong window ... heh |
| 02:46.25 | SerajewelKS | lispy: no, it used an IP |
| 02:46.28 | lispy | SerajewelKS: i would be really interesting in seeing the email if it does (with full headers) |
| 02:46.29 | roby | Guess I'm watching dvds tonight under sudo :| |
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| 02:46.53 | lispy | SerajewelKS: my isp noticed it and told me about it |
| 02:46.59 | lispy | but id on't have all the details yet |
| 02:47.11 | SerajewelKS | lispy: if you have a record of every IP you've ever had in the past few years i can search my sentbox (i report those to ebay/paypal) |
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| 02:48.11 | mzilikazi | gpgkeys: key 2D230C5F not found on keyserver |
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| 02:48.13 | mzilikazi | new key? |
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| 02:48.19 | mikearthur | b |
| 02:48.26 | mikearthur | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.30 | abrotman | !2006 key |
| 02:48.30 | dpkg | run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 02:48.44 | mzilikazi | tx :) |
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| 02:49.09 | doleyb | mikearthur: i asked that before, and nobody could say how |
| 02:49.21 | doleyb | mikearthur: (without doing some perl, that is) |
| 02:49.28 | SerajewelKS | how interesting, ltrace doesn't work |
| 02:49.30 | lispy | SerajewelKS: did you get that tell? |
| 02:49.37 | abrotman | mikearthur: like .. spam ? |
| 02:49.43 | SerajewelKS | lispy: yeah, that one doesn't look familiar |
| 02:49.49 | lispy | SerajewelKS: okay |
| 02:49.56 | lispy | i think my isp noticed right away |
| 02:50.11 | SerajewelKS | lispy: probably. i bet ebay sent them a complaint. |
| 02:50.34 | asg | mikearthur: use exim4 and its /etc/email-addresses rewriting |
| 02:50.53 | SerajewelKS | what is SIGTRAP? something sends it to ltrace, which aborts the trace and makes ltrace useless. |
| 02:51.17 | mikearthur | asg: isn't that a bit overkill? |
| 02:51.26 | abrotman | you asked how to do it |
| 02:51.32 | lispy | SerajewelKS: i tihnk that's related to debugging, ie, used by deggers |
| 02:51.51 | asg | mikearthur: if you are sending a lot of mail no. If you are only sending a few mails, no. |
| 02:52.30 | SerajewelKS | mikearthur: iirc, exim does this by default |
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| 02:52.43 | SerajewelKS | mikearthur: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 02:52.54 | SerajewelKS | mikearthur: tell it you're using a smarthost for outgoing mail |
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| 02:53.10 | SerajewelKS | mikearthur: your smarthost doesn't need to be authenticated with, does it? |
| 02:53.33 | mikearthur | nope |
| 02:53.38 | mikearthur | thanks guys |
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| 02:53.46 | SerajewelKS | dammit |
| 02:53.51 | SerajewelKS | ltrace basically kills the program |
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| 02:55.58 | yaaar | word |
| 02:56.16 | yaaar | man, i'm having a bear of a time installing 3.1 from network. |
| 02:56.53 | abrotman | word? |
| 02:56.58 | yaaar | the install cd boots, i hit enter, it loads the kernel and stuff and seems fine, but then it blanks the screen and the monitor goes to sleep, and nothing happens |
| 02:57.14 | yaaar | ctrl-alt-del will reboot it from there, but i can't get any other response. |
| 02:57.21 | abrotman | yaaar: did you try both kernels ? |
| 02:57.25 | yaaar | yeah |
| 02:57.31 | yaaar | 2.4/2.6 you mean? |
| 02:57.46 | happyb | does debian install have a no-probe ? |
| 02:57.49 | yaaar | also tried 2.4 with acpi=off |
| 02:57.50 | abrotman | there is the standard .. and linux26 |
| 02:57.58 | yaaar | yeah, did both of those |
| 02:58.02 | happyb | doyou have an odd monitor? |
| 02:58.04 | abrotman | yaaar: is it a laptop ? |
| 02:58.04 | yaaar | also tried booting with 'expert' |
| 02:58.09 | happyb | my guess is its just going out of range |
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| 02:58.21 | yaaar | happyb: not really, old gateway 17" trinitron |
| 02:58.27 | yaaar | abrotman: no |
| 02:58.35 | yaaar | (i guess you figured that out from the last coment) |
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| 02:59.27 | abrotman | yaaar: so you haven't even installed X yet? |
| 02:59.59 | yaaar | abrotman: huh? i'm still trying to boot the installer....i haven't even told it what mirror i want to install from.... |
| 03:00.06 | yaaar | hell, i haven't even chosen a language |
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| 03:00.16 | abrotman | yaaar: oh jeez |
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| 03:00.37 | abrotman | yaaar: and it's the sarge installer ? |
| 03:00.41 | yaaar | er |
| 03:00.43 | Stevie | greetings, mortals |
| 03:00.49 | happyb | howdy |
| 03:00.49 | yaaar | i dunno, whatever stable is |
| 03:00.55 | abrotman | yaaar: that's sarge |
| 03:00.57 | yaaar | k |
| 03:00.59 | asg | yaaar: hit F2 - F6. That will give you the various options that the installer kernel will take. |
| 03:01.00 | yaaar | then yeah |
| 03:01.07 | yaaar | asg: yeah, been there |
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| 03:01.14 | abrotman | yaaar: you could try a vga option ... |
| 03:01.16 | yaaar | asg: have tried a couple things |
| 03:01.19 | abrotman | that works with laptops :) |
| 03:01.21 | yaaar | wait.... |
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| 03:01.41 | Stevie | I'm having an issue with a USB enclosure that I haven't experienced before |
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| 03:01.45 | yaaar | ok, i just used the 'disable framebuffer' kernel arg and that got me to a language selection |
| 03:01.49 | yaaar | that may do it. |
| 03:01.52 | mfrisch | can anyone help me start a bootable cd in qemu?] |
| 03:02.16 | yaaar | cool, it's detecting my hardware |
| 03:02.19 | Stevie | usb 1-2: device not accepting address 14, error -71 |
| 03:02.23 | abrotman | yaaar: all happy ? |
| 03:02.27 | yaaar | so far |
| 03:02.28 | happyb | "qemu -cdrom dsl2.5.iso"? |
| 03:02.41 | yaaar | 'loading components of the debian installer' |
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| 03:03.08 | yaaar | this is one of the more pleasurable settings i've ever installed a box in |
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| 03:03.25 | asg | yaaar: better than the Comfy Chair (tm)? |
| 03:03.36 | happyb | with the pointy pillows? |
| 03:03.42 | mfrisch | happyb I am trying to access the drive...do I need the .iso? do I put the qemu .img after? |
| 03:04.02 | abrotman | honestly .. i've never installed debian in a strip joint .. though . i'd probably forget to hit enter |
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| 03:04.05 | happyb | sorry, never do it myself...just a quick google... |
| 03:04.09 | happyb | just teasing you i guess |
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| 03:04.27 | yaaar | i'm out in my unattached garage, with the wood stove i installed a month ago burning (nice and cozy in here), chatting on my ubuntu box (which is attached to a projector, giving me a 9.5 foot tall xga monitor) while installing the other system on a normal monitor on the coffee table in front of my couch |
| 03:04.28 | Ringworm | mfrisch: here is how I do it on FreeBSD so maybe the device is wrong, but the idae should help... qemu -cdrom /dev/cd0 /usr/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-6.0.img -boot d -m 128M -localtime & |
| 03:04.31 | asg | abrotman: I've never installed it but I've done minimal sh scripting on my Zaurus in one |
| 03:04.40 | abrotman | asg: that's just wrong! |
| 03:04.55 | Stevie | abrotman: If you're installing Debian in a strip joint, do you have to install the 'Woody' version? |
| 03:05.08 | abrotman | bad Stevie! |
| 03:05.09 | zignig | has the public gpg key for testing just expired ? , i'm getting a gpg public key not found error. |
| 03:05.11 | Stevie | ;) |
| 03:05.16 | abrotman | !2006 key |
| 03:05.16 | dpkg | run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 03:05.38 | mfrisch | Ringworm will try... |
| 03:05.53 | asg | abrotman: if anything, it forces one to concentrate. |
| 03:05.55 | mfrisch | happyb Thanks I got further |
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| 03:06.01 | Ringworm | mfrisch: good look, let me know how it goes :) |
| 03:06.28 | zignig | abrotman: w00t , can you add that into the topic as it does not explicitly say anthing about it. :) |
| 03:06.35 | abrotman | !apt-secure |
| 03:06.35 | dpkg | it has been said that apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D> |
| 03:06.47 | abrotman | !apt-secure is also ask me about <2006 key> |
| 03:06.47 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 03:06.49 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 03:07.04 | abrotman | zignig: i'm not an op |
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| 03:07.04 | asg | dondelelcaro: perhaps a topic addendum RE: 2006 key might be in order |
| 03:07.06 | abrotman | :afo |
| 03:07.09 | abrotman | !afo |
| 03:07.09 | dpkg | abrotman for ops! |
| 03:07.16 | Stevie | lol |
| 03:07.24 | Stevie | !sfo |
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| 03:07.30 | Stevie | nuttin. |
| 03:07.42 | asg | abrotman: isn't there an asg for ops? |
| 03:07.45 | zebalin2 | I installed Etch via net-installer per this website: http://debcentral.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=97&forum=8 It will not start up X. Says something about missing /bin/Xprt. Took all day to download this stuff so I hope I can salvage it. Any help is appreciated. |
| 03:07.51 | Maynard | anyone know how i can get my scroll mouse working with debian? |
| 03:08.10 | asg | Maynard: /msg dpkg scroll mouse |
| 03:08.11 | abrotman | !literal afo |
| 03:08.11 | dpkg | "#debian afo" is "<reply>(antgel|abrotman|anyone|asg) for ops!" |
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| 03:08.15 | abrotman | asg: ^^ |
| 03:08.20 | asg | abrotman: haha |
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| 03:08.48 | asg | abrotman: the 'a's have it |
| 03:08.57 | abrotman | hehe .. well . not really |
| 03:09.08 | asg | abrotman: that's the rub |
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| 03:09.18 | happyb | what is the /msg "engine"? |
| 03:09.24 | aStevie | ;) |
| 03:09.24 | happyb | is that on the server or chanel? |
| 03:09.31 | asg | happyb: it's a blootbot |
| 03:09.44 | happyb | and is there a way to see a catalogue of usefull options to it? |
| 03:09.49 | asg | happyb: /msg dpkg help |
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| 03:10.08 | yaaar | well, this seems to be going quite well now. 40% of the base system installed |
| 03:10.20 | asg | !congratulate yaaar |
| 03:10.20 | dpkg | Good show yaaar, you did it! |
| 03:10.26 | SerajewelKS | are there any disassemblers in debian (objdump, ndisasm, etc) that are capable of looking at disassembled addresses and guessing if it references a string, and noting that in a comment or something? |
| 03:10.40 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: what the hell are you up to? |
| 03:10.41 | mfrisch | I got it "qemu qemu -cdrom /dev/cdrom reactos.img -boot d |
| 03:10.57 | Stevie | i'm sure you could throw something perl-based together |
| 03:11.02 | Stevie | SerajewelKS |
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| 03:11.03 | zebalin2 | No one can help? OK, thanks anyway. |
| 03:11.08 | yaaar | dpkg: well, i'm a bit too experienced with linux to be patting myself on the back for booting an install disc.....but i was certainly suprised to see it wouldn't boot normally |
| 03:11.13 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i like reading the disassembly of programs i've written, but i can't trace it if i don't know what's going on around it |
| 03:11.13 | Stevie | whats the problem, zebalin2? |
| 03:11.18 | abrotman | yaaar: dpkg is a bot |
| 03:11.21 | SerajewelKS | Stevie: i'm sure i couldn't |
| 03:11.24 | zebalin2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.26 | yaaar | abrotman: hehehehe |
| 03:11.39 | abrotman | !find Xprt etch |
| 03:11.44 | yaaar | abrotman: oh, i didn't see asg's comment above |
| 03:11.52 | yaaar | you guys got me |
| 03:11.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Xprt' (2): (/usr/X11R6/bin/Xprt) in x11/xprint ;; (/usr/share/doc/lesstif-doc/doc/XprtConfig.html) in doc/lesstif-doc. |
| 03:12.26 | Ringworm | mfrisch: congradulations! |
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| 03:12.38 | Stevie | bloody hell |
| 03:12.47 | Stevie | why won't this damn thing work |
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| 03:13.02 | zebalin2 | Stevie: It booted the first time to a HUGE screen res. I went into xorg.conf and changed to 1280x1024 but I must have screwed up something because not it won't boot X. |
| 03:13.30 | sifi-x | how do I execute run kate as root? |
| 03:13.31 | abrotman | zebalin2: install xprint |
| 03:13.38 | sifi-x | in kde |
| 03:13.47 | abrotman | why would you ? |
| 03:13.48 | asg | sifi-x: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 03:13.50 | SerajewelKS | Stevie: anyway, not unless someone wants to help me figure out how string/data pointers work in assembly (e.g., given a certain pointer, where in the file to look) |
| 03:14.01 | Stevie | eh |
| 03:14.06 | Maynard | guys i already modified the xf86config-4 file with the appropriate info for my scroll mouse but it still won't work.. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 03:14.09 | yaaar | sifi-x: just try running 'kate' as root in konsole |
| 03:14.11 | sifi-x | abrotman, I want to manage files in kate as root |
| 03:14.15 | Stevie | either objdump or nm can help with that, seraj |
| 03:14.19 | happyb | did you stop and start X after that? |
| 03:14.31 | zebalin2 | abrotman: ok, I'll apt-get xprint. Why does it boot to gnome instead of kde? How can I make boot-font smaller (must be a cheat code?) |
| 03:14.33 | zoid_ | yaaar, kdesu kate |
| 03:14.33 | SerajewelKS | Stevie: not if i don't know what i'm doing |
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| 03:14.47 | abrotman | zebalin2: you chose what to install |
| 03:14.48 | sifi-x | abrotman, or should I just learning Emacs directly |
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| 03:15.00 | abrotman | sifi-x: use vi like a sane person :) |
| 03:15.04 | yaaar | sifi-x: no, you should use vi! |
| 03:15.12 | asg | sifi-x: learning emacs requires a PHD. Learn vi. |
| 03:15.24 | Stevie | Or nano, which requires virtually no learning |
| 03:15.26 | yaaar | learning vi requires the force. learn vi. |
| 03:15.34 | yaaar | nano suxor |
| 03:15.37 | asg | Stevie: but buggers config files if you aren't careful |
| 03:15.43 | Maynard | would i have to completely log out of gnome and restart to get my scroll mouse working? |
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| 03:15.54 | sifi-x | abrotman: how do I colorize text in vi for tags |
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| 03:15.56 | asg | Maynard: you would have to restart X |
| 03:15.59 | SerajewelKS | Maynard: yup. welcome to linux. |
| 03:16.01 | molinero | Ubuntu forever! |
| 03:16.03 | asg | sifi-x: :syntax on |
| 03:16.05 | sonyman | Maynard, any changed in the config file will take place when X is restarted |
| 03:16.08 | zebalin2 | abrotman: not really. I was told NOT to choose 'desktop' system, just standard system and then install KDE, Gnome and X seperately... something about KDE metafile being busted in Etch. This wihat I did: http://debcentral.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=97&forum=8 |
| 03:16.08 | happyb | but at least you don't have to reboot the OS |
| 03:16.08 | abrotman | sifi-x: tags? |
| 03:16.10 | yaaar | asg: start nano with -w to keep it from wrapping lines and it probably won't bugger those configs |
| 03:16.11 | Maynard | ok |
| 03:16.19 | under_R_run | does anyone know of a good apt repositry that carries openoffice.org 2 and firefox 1.5, i'd like to avoid switching to unstable and still get the latest packages for some programs |
| 03:16.23 | Maynard | thx |
| 03:16.23 | abrotman | zebalin2: isntall kdebase |
| 03:16.29 | abrotman | sifi-x: for html ? |
| 03:16.32 | SerajewelKS | under_R_run: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 03:16.34 | asg | yaaar: Agreed, that's the way. I never use nano though ;) |
| 03:16.44 | zebalin2 | abrotman: I installed kde-core which pulls in kdebase. |
| 03:16.50 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:16.54 | mfrisch | Ringworm yeah I am installing reactos now!! |
| 03:16.54 | abrotman | zebalin2: so use kdm .. |
| 03:16.57 | yaaar | asg: me neither.....but i used a log of pico as a freshman comp sci student....... |
| 03:17.02 | yaaar | before i learned better |
| 03:17.07 | cheal | under_R_run: for which release? |
| 03:17.07 | zebalin2 | I installed kdm and removed xprint (per instrucitons.) |
| 03:17.09 | Ringworm | SerajewelKS: to find in string in assembly should be simple, start at the pointer and if you have valid ascii untill a NULL most likely you have a string |
| 03:17.21 | abrotman | zebalin2: you were supposed to install xprint |
| 03:17.33 | asg | yaaar: :) |
| 03:17.33 | SerajewelKS | Ringworm: the "pointer" in this case is also the offset into the file? |
| 03:17.57 | Ringworm | Sememmon: how should I know? its your pointer, you tell me |
| 03:18.12 | SerajewelKS | Ringworm: excuse the ignorance... i know 68k assembly pretty well, but x86 still trips me up |
| 03:18.12 | yaaar | hahahahahaha |
| 03:18.14 | zebalin2 | ok, I'll do it. How can I get a small font at boot? Must bee a grub cheatcode? |
| 03:18.28 | abrotman | zebalin2: dunno .. i never tried |
| 03:19.10 | asg | zebalin2: vga=791 |
| 03:19.10 | happyb | edit grub, on the kernel line, add "vga=791" |
| 03:19.10 | under_R_run | cheal:debian stable |
| 03:19.10 | asg | zebalin2: or vga=771 |
| 03:19.10 | happyb | or what ever size you like. |
| 03:19.11 | SerajewelKS | Ringworm: well, since gcc is compiling it, that should give you some clue as to how strings are referenced |
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| 03:19.11 | Ringworm | SerajewelKS: normally in assembly, you set aside a buffer, read the3 file into it, if it is a text file the whole buffer contains strings |
| 03:19.16 | zebalin2 | Do I just add vga=xxx or do I have to add "linux" first when I edit the line? |
| 03:19.25 | happyb | on the kernel line |
| 03:19.28 | happyb | usually line 2 |
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| 03:19.36 | happyb | thats wehre i put it anyway |
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| 03:19.41 | zebalin2 | At end of kernel line. ok, easy. |
| 03:19.52 | SerajewelKS | Ringworm: i don't think you know what i'm asking |
| 03:19.52 | nse | Is there a way to convert avi to wmv? |
| 03:19.53 | zebalin2 | I'll be back. |
| 03:20.11 | cheal | under_R_run: see #debian-oo |
| 03:20.14 | Ringworm | SerajewelKS: guess not |
| 03:20.25 | Ringworm | Sememmon: why the smack? |
| 03:20.30 | happyb | you want to make wmv files? |
| 03:20.36 | under_R_run | cheal: thanks |
| 03:20.39 | cheal | under_R_run: are you sure you need Firefox 1.5? |
| 03:20.55 | SerajewelKS | nse: why the hell would you ever, EVER want to do something like that? |
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| 03:21.23 | colk | wmv is the worst format to have a file in |
| 03:21.28 | Sememmon | Ringworm: for the nigh highlight =P |
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| 03:21.40 | under_R_run | cheal: we never really NEED anything, sometime we just want :p |
| 03:21.45 | sonyman | firefox 1.5 is garbage IMO |
| 03:21.46 | tilrman | not true. real is the worst formal |
| 03:21.49 | nse | SerajewelKS: becouse wmv files are much smaller, and I want to put that file in my site. there's a limit of transferations to it |
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| 03:22.15 | SerajewelKS | nse: if you want a file, use a low bitrate |
| 03:22.20 | SerajewelKS | nse: small* file |
| 03:22.25 | cheal | under_R_run: did you actually see firefox 1.5? |
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| 03:22.28 | mfrisch | qemu rocks! |
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| 03:22.37 | sifi-x | when I try to run "kate" from the terminal in kde I gett: http://rafb.net/paste/results/njXycB81.html, any suggestions to how I can solve it? |
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| 03:22.43 | doleyb | Stevie: wmv = video, mp3 = audio, no comparison |
| 03:22.45 | worthy | ello |
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| 03:22.49 | worthy | hello |
| 03:22.49 | nse | SerajewelKS: that's it! |
| 03:22.59 | Ringworm | mfrisch: It does! Once you finally figure it out :) |
| 03:23.00 | SerajewelKS | nse: what's what? |
| 03:23.03 | worthy | can someone tell me about kdm theme manager please? |
| 03:23.07 | worthy | fordebian |
| 03:23.14 | worthy | for debian |
| 03:23.17 | nse | SerajewelKS: and particular, that's exactly what wmv do to make it small! hum... |
| 03:23.20 | cheal | sifi-x: did you try googling? perhaps for "Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key"? |
| 03:23.26 | sonyman | sifi-x, running as root? |
| 03:23.27 | under_R_run | cheal: in windows... haven't noticed too much, all of my extensions have been upgrade and still work. |
| 03:23.28 | abrotman | sifi-x: use vi! |
| 03:23.32 | happyb | sifi: are you loged in as a user, running kate as root? |
| 03:23.36 | abrotman | or use sux |
| 03:23.37 | mfrisch | Ringworm I'm on a 500Mhz and its running reactos |
| 03:23.41 | SerajewelKS | nse: and you think wmv is the only format that knows about bitrates? use xvid. |
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| 03:24.07 | happyb | looks like you don't "own" your xsession? |
| 03:24.15 | nse | SerajewelKS: ham... do you know any program to do that? I recently installed transcode to aplit my avi with avisplit |
| 03:24.16 | mfrisch | Ringworm THANKS |
| 03:24.17 | cheal | under_R_run: yeah. firefox 1.5 doesn't have huge improvements IMO |
| 03:24.27 | doleyb | sifi-x: that's a common thing to happen if you su in an xterm |
| 03:24.29 | SerajewelKS | nse: transcode or mencoder will do it |
| 03:24.44 | nse | SerajewelKS: thanks! |
| 03:24.45 | valdyn | sifi-x: use sudo or sux to become root |
| 03:24.46 | Ringworm | mfrisch: don't know reactos, but I'm running debian under qemu on a freebsd system and debian is running rock stable :) |
| 03:24.48 | sonyman | sifi-x, try using sudo perhaps? |
| 03:25.09 | Pedro420 | nvz |
| 03:25.17 | worthy | kdm help anyone? I download kdm themes andI don't know what to do with them |
| 03:25.24 | sifi-x | valdyn, how can user "x" run kate as root? |
| 03:25.25 | Pedro420 | nvz: are you around? |
| 03:25.27 | SerajewelKS | worthy: you mean kde themes, right? |
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| 03:25.33 | doleyb | sifi-x: kdesu kate |
| 03:25.41 | worthy | yes SerajewelKS |
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| 03:25.56 | SerajewelKS | worthy: open the control panel, go to the theme manager, and install them |
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| 03:26.03 | happyb | in control center, under the kdm thingy, choose new theme |
| 03:26.10 | worthy | ok |
| 03:26.12 | worthy | thanks |
| 03:26.16 | ludi | Do I need to put "snd-emu10k1" into my /etc/modules? |
| 03:26.24 | happyb | new kde can use the zip'd theme, dont' need to unzip it first. |
| 03:26.32 | nvz | Pedro420: nope, leave a message with my secretary |
| 03:26.47 | Pedro420 | nvz |
| 03:26.55 | sifi-x | doleyb, kdesu kate gave me: http://rafb.net/paste/results/yrmRlS50.html |
| 03:27.25 | Pedro420 | nvz: trying to put this transmitter in but im color blind |
| 03:27.25 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: run kdesu as your regular user |
| 03:27.25 | sifi-x | doleyb, how do you use kate as root in kde? |
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| 03:27.29 | doleyb | sifi-x: apt-get install kdesu |
| 03:27.32 | joup | Hi |
| 03:27.36 | SerajewelKS | doleyb: he has kdesu |
| 03:27.40 | SerajewelKS | doleyb: he is running kdesu as root |
| 03:27.45 | joup | what's the wayto disable rpcbind? |
| 03:27.46 | worthy | Theme Manager - Control Center doesn't support KDM |
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| 03:27.55 | worthy | im talking about the login |
| 03:27.56 | sonyman | ludi, I don't have it in /etc/modules but it autoloads for me. YMMV |
| 03:27.58 | zoid_ | do kdesu as normal user |
| 03:28.12 | PeteyPablo | can anyone help me with an ipod question? i'm trying to get my ipod nano to work but i cant' seem to get gtkpod or anything to transfer files to it properly |
| 03:28.16 | SerajewelKS | worthy: the login doesn't have the concept of a "theme", since a theme usually has icons, screensavers, etc |
| 03:28.16 | joup | wich proces start rpcbind?? can I disble it? |
| 03:28.20 | nse | SerajewelKS: Ok, c'mon help me with that. transcode's manual is enourmous. how to know the currently bitrate of my video, and how to transcode it to the desired one? |
| 03:28.22 | sifi-x | doleyb, thx |
| 03:28.26 | sonyman | worthy, trying to enable themes for kdm? |
| 03:28.26 | SerajewelKS | worthy: go to the "login manager" widget and customize it |
| 03:28.40 | worthy | i typed kdm at the root shell |
| 03:28.45 | sifi-x | doleyb, is kdesu working in GNOME to? |
| 03:28.52 | worthy | how do i get to the login manager |
| 03:28.52 | ludi | sonyman: how can I tell if it is loaded? |
| 03:28.53 | joup | no idea anyone? |
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| 03:28.58 | sonyman | ludi, lsmod |
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| 03:29.12 | zignig | abrotman: thanks for that, I reckon apt should do that automaticly , but whatever. :) |
| 03:29.16 | doleyb | sifi-x: yes kdesu works everyplace, but gnome as gksu, and there's also sux which is the same |
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| 03:29.25 | abrotman | zignig: ? |
| 03:29.30 | abrotman | zignig: the key thing ? |
| 03:29.32 | zignig | the gpg apt key. |
| 03:29.35 | SerajewelKS | worthy: uhm, in the control center? if you're having this much trouble with KDE, maybe you should stick to windows. |
| 03:29.38 | abrotman | yeah .. well .. it's still a new thing |
| 03:29.46 | worthy | im new |
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| 03:29.49 | ludi | sonyman: lsmod |grep snd-emu10k1 |
| 03:29.53 | ludi | sonyman: like that? |
| 03:30.02 | sonyman | no, change it to snd_emu10k1 |
| 03:30.12 | SerajewelKS | nse: *shrug* i usually refer to the manual when i'm doing something |
| 03:30.14 | sonyman | lsmod | grep snd_emu10k1 |
| 03:30.20 | abrotman | worthy: which login manager? |
| 03:30.24 | Ringworm | worthy: X works right, but not kde? |
| 03:30.29 | SerajewelKS | nse: so my "help" would simply be me reading the manual to you |
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| 03:30.30 | sifi-x | doleyb, nice, I should knowned this for one year ago (^_^) |
| 03:30.33 | neono | will where find kde 4? |
| 03:30.42 | abrotman | !br |
| 03:30.42 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:30.43 | worthy | X works |
| 03:30.46 | worthy | im using kde |
| 03:30.49 | nse | SerajewelKS: Ok, I'm sure I can do it by myself |
| 03:30.50 | abrotman | worthy: did you install kdm ? |
| 03:30.51 | worthy | i want the Kdm |
| 03:31.01 | worthy | yes, kdm is installed |
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| 03:31.18 | sifi-x | how do I change the screen resolution in kde? |
| 03:31.18 | Ringworm | worthy: echo "exec startkde" > ~/xinitrc startx and be dione with it... |
| 03:31.21 | abrotman | worthy: what does `cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager` say ? |
| 03:31.23 | worthy | i typed kdm as root and now i have the kdm login. but now i want to change the kdm themes |
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| 03:31.25 | neono | abrotman ? |
| 03:31.33 | neono | i am speaking english |
| 03:31.33 | abrotman | Ringworm: you're missing the point |
| 03:31.38 | sonyman | sifi-x, ctrl alt +, ctrl alt - if they are in the config file |
| 03:31.41 | stew | worthy: install rcconf ; and run rcconf, and make sure gdm is checked |
| 03:31.46 | abrotman | neono: what kde4? |
| 03:31.50 | zoid_ | worthy, kcontrol |
| 03:31.52 | Ringworm | abrotman: I always do :( |
| 03:31.53 | abrotman | stew: kdm! |
| 03:32.00 | doleyb | worthy: log in, run kcontrol, hit SystemAdministration, LoginManager |
| 03:32.08 | stew | or that one |
| 03:32.15 | neono | you dont know |
| 03:32.15 | worthy | it says /usr/bin/kdm |
| 03:32.25 | neono | find in the google |
| 03:32.26 | abrotman | worthy: have you restarted themachine since you installed kdm ? |
| 03:32.43 | sifi-x | sonyman, it is not there, where is the config file and is there some other way to do it |
| 03:33.14 | sonyman | sifi-x, it isn't doing anything? the config file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:33.22 | Pedro420 | nvz: will your secretary ask you if I should just wire this transmitter into a yellow and black wire that goes into a plastic plug thats not plugged into anything and if yes, how in the hell do I get the wire out of the plastic plug ?\ |
| 03:33.22 | worthy | yes i restarted |
| 03:33.30 | worthy | brb im going to try this stuff |
| 03:33.31 | abrotman | worthy: and KDM didn't come up ? |
| 03:33.43 | neono | XF86Config = xfree |
| 03:34.05 | sonyman | sifi-x, you don't need to edit it to change resolutions, and you can use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to edit the file |
| 03:34.07 | sifi-x | sonyman, I know, but I want to change it from kde directly |
| 03:34.08 | worthy | yes i log in with kdm but i want to change the kdm theme |
| 03:34.21 | stew | sifi-x: you can swich between configured resolutions with xrandr |
| 03:34.21 | worthy | i want to change the kdm login page |
| 03:34.44 | sonyman | sifi-x, you can right click on the desktop and choose configure desktop |
| 03:34.45 | abrotman | isn't there a kdm manager? |
| 03:34.50 | sifi-x | sonyman, know, I just dont want to log in log out to make the settings take effects |
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| 03:34.55 | abrotman | KDE desktop manager manager :) |
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| 03:35.34 | worthy | ./etc/X11/XF86Config-4: Permission denied |
| 03:35.35 | doleyb | worthy: go to #kde |
| 03:35.42 | worthy | ok |
| 03:35.44 | abrotman | doleyb: you mean #debian-kde |
| 03:35.45 | stew | sifi-x: if the mode you want isn't listed in xrandr you will have to reconfigure and restart x |
| 03:35.49 | abrotman | worthy: ^^ |
| 03:35.55 | Agrajag- | is there a way to see what directories are exported (nfs) to you on a certain remote host? (like what smbclient -L does) |
| 03:35.58 | sonyman | sifi-x, using Ctrl Alt - (the - on the numpad) didn't work? |
| 03:36.12 | stew | Agrajag-: cat /etc/exports |
| 03:36.22 | sifi-x | sonyman, and the text fonts look like shits, how can I fix that |
| 03:36.34 | Agrajag- | stew: no, i mean if i dont have access to the remote machine |
| 03:36.36 | sonyman | sifi-x, lcd? |
| 03:36.48 | sifi-x | sonyman, crt |
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| 03:36.58 | sonyman | sifi-x, do you mean the fonts look distorted? |
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| 03:37.05 | sifi-x | sonyman, yes |
| 03:37.07 | zoid_ | worthy, you will be able to change the resolution from kcontrol as long as X is configured to support that resolution |
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| 03:37.20 | stew | Agrajag-: i don't know a way |
| 03:37.27 | worthy | im 800 by 600 |
| 03:37.52 | sonyman | sifi-x, try getting the right resolution set up first, it could just be related to the resolution. If that doesn't fix it someone else will need to chime in |
| 03:38.12 | worthy | i have kde |
| 03:38.17 | worthy | i see my desktop and all |
| 03:38.21 | sifi-x | sonyman, I was just about to say that |
| 03:38.30 | sonyman | :) |
| 03:38.33 | worthy | i want to change my "kdm" login screen to another one |
| 03:38.41 | sifi-x | sonyman, that was the result of the first login |
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| 03:39.09 | sonyman | sifi-x, X should automatically use the highest available resolution |
| 03:39.12 | sifi-x | sonyman, btw, startx the first time (without rebooting and newly installed) root will login |
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| 03:39.18 | sifi-x | sonyman, quite insecure |
| 03:39.34 | worthy | x is checked in kdm |
| 03:39.43 | sonyman | sifi-x, simple solution--don't type startx as root |
| 03:39.46 | stew | sonyman: no it shouldn't it should use the first listed for the default depth afaik |
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| 03:39.55 | worthy | i'm going to try someting |
| 03:39.56 | worthy | brb |
| 03:40.00 | Guerin | sifi-x: it's the display manager which prevents root login to x - not the x system itself |
| 03:40.05 | sifi-x | sonyman, thats why |
| 03:40.08 | Pedro420 | nvz:Okay nandrew. So I have established that u cant do this while the pc is on. |
| 03:40.24 | samlii | Is there a program under linux that can read the bios power rail readings? |
| 03:40.39 | Guerin | sifi-x: anyone typing startx at a console has an obligation to check who they are first |
| 03:41.14 | sonyman | stew, I don't see a setting for default depth in my xorg config file; perhaps its different with XFree86 |
| 03:41.15 | AceSmythe | anyone know if sarge debian (and others) can read more than 137gb off a HD? |
| 03:41.26 | Guerin | AceSmythe: sure they can. |
| 03:41.27 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:41.48 | AceSmythe | what about win 2k pro (no sp)? |
| 03:41.53 | AceSmythe | offhand i mean |
| 03:41.53 | nse | hey guys, I want to make a small file from a video file. transcode -i filename -b low_bitrate -o newfilename will do it? |
| 03:41.57 | Guerin | !htfswk AceSmythe |
| 03:41.57 | dpkg | AceSmythe: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 03:42.04 | AceSmythe | heh |
| 03:42.07 | Pedro420 | nvz: is it better splice the wires or to plug them into the plastic plug thing ? |
| 03:42.13 | Guerin | nse: does it work? |
| 03:42.14 | sonyman | AceSmythe, I believe the default kernel has ntfs read support, not sure though |
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| 03:42.20 | sifi-x | Guerin, not directly after kdm or gdm has been installed without any reboot |
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| 03:42.27 | AceSmythe | i'd rather have fat32 |
| 03:42.32 | stew | sonyman: grep DefaultDepth /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:42.39 | Guerin | sifi-x: my statement is still true. |
| 03:42.44 | abrotman | AceSmythe: fat32 has all kinds of limitations |
| 03:42.49 | AceSmythe | hmmmm |
| 03:42.50 | abrotman | AceSmythe: use google |
| 03:42.52 | AceSmythe | okthen |
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| 03:42.56 | nse | Guerin: it takes a long time to see if it works, that's my point |
| 03:42.59 | sonyman | stew, just depth, not resolution |
| 03:43.06 | Stevie | erm |
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| 03:43.11 | Guerin | nfts has a pretty huge limitation in that it's not writable by any real OS |
| 03:43.14 | Stevie | what's the easiest way to find out what package a file came from? |
| 03:43.18 | abrotman | AceSmythe: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp |
| 03:43.19 | sonyman | AceSmythe, I don't think win2k vanilla has 48bit LBA |
| 03:43.25 | asuffield | ntfs has several pretty huge limitations |
| 03:43.29 | stew | sonyman: right, then look further down in that Screen section for the corresponding Display section with that depth |
| 03:43.44 | asuffield | which you mostly don't notice on windows because you're too used to applications not being able to do what you want |
| 03:43.53 | Guerin | nse: do a test fun of a 10 second segment, then |
| 03:43.53 | asuffield | but if you could mount an ntfs filesystem rw on unix, you'd soon notice them |
| 03:44.15 | sonyman | stew, yes, but its just using the first available depth under that entry, which by default is the highest depth |
| 03:44.17 | asuffield | like, oh, not being able to delete a file if anything has it open |
| 03:44.28 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:44.38 | sonyman | Guerin, you can thank MS for not making the ntfs driver open source |
| 03:44.57 | stew | sonyman: its using the first Mode for the Depth listed as DefaultDepth and there is no default mode, it uses the first one listed |
| 03:45.19 | Pedro420 | nvz: Nanni ? |
| 03:45.30 | sonyman | stew, yes, which is the highest depth when configured using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:45.37 | AceSmythe | well, i'm trying to use the drive as a backup between both OSs (dual boot and access the data on both sides) |
| 03:45.50 | nse | Guerin: forget it. the output goes nowhere |
| 03:45.51 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: so use fat |
| 03:45.55 | abrotman | but fat32 has a 32GB partition limit |
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| 03:46.09 | sonyman | abrotman, no, I don't think so |
| 03:46.10 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: BS |
| 03:46.19 | asuffield | the best filesystem for dual winnt/linux access is ext2 |
| 03:46.19 | abrotman | sonyman: SerajewelKS http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp |
| 03:46.23 | AceSmythe | ok, all of that aside, would there be any problems using the full 250gb? |
| 03:46.29 | AceSmythe | i'd rahter not use half a HD |
| 03:46.36 | abrotman | sonyman: SerajewelKS: am i reading that wrong ? |
| 03:46.37 | Jeaton | is debian pretty barebone, similar to slackware? |
| 03:46.38 | sonyman | AceSmythe, no |
| 03:46.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i have a 200gb fat32 partition, and xp has no problem with it |
| 03:46.51 | AceSmythe | so that's jsut WD being paranoid? |
| 03:46.57 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: which OS formatted it ? |
| 03:47.00 | valdyn | Jeaton: no |
| 03:47.02 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: linux |
| 03:47.06 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that's why |
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| 03:47.13 | sonyman | abrotman, it looks like you need to have formatted it with another OS or a 3rd party tool--thats all |
| 03:47.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: you are still incorrect |
| 03:47.20 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: how so? |
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| 03:47.28 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: FAT32 does not have a limit. the windows formatter imposes that limit. |
| 03:47.40 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: windows imposes it |
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| 03:47.45 | Stevie | yeah |
| 03:47.46 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no |
| 03:47.48 | asuffield | AceSmythe: no. old bioses and old IDE drivers cannot see disks larger than 140ishGb, at all |
| 03:47.49 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: and how do most people make a fat32 partition |
| 03:47.56 | Stevie | to discourage people from using fat32 |
| 03:47.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it can read/write my 200gb partition just fine |
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| 03:47.58 | stew | sonyman: no, its not the highest configured in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, you configure all depths and set the default which isnt' necessarily the higest depth |
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| 03:48.02 | foo | What are the default perms for mount? I mean, by default, can users mount stuff? |
| 03:48.05 | Stevie | fat32 can go up to a couple of terabytes |
| 03:48.05 | AceSmythe | asuffield: ah |
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| 03:48.14 | abrotman | A FAT32 volume must have a minimum of 65,527 clusters. Windows XP Professional can format FAT32 volumes up to 32 GB, but it can mount larger FAT32 volumes created by other operating systems. Table 13.6 lists FAT32 size limits. |
| 03:48.18 | valdyn | foo: nope |
| 03:48.24 | asuffield | they had to change the IDE spec to accomodate larger disks |
| 03:48.34 | asuffield | so they just plain aren't compatible |
| 03:48.38 | areyes | hi, how can I set a subdomain forwarder in bind? |
| 03:48.40 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: which is exactly what i said |
| 03:48.56 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: and i agreed with you .. win32 won't make a partition larger than 32GB |
| 03:49.00 | dav | is there an issue with the apt / gpg keys ? |
| 03:49.00 | valdyn | foo: mount is suid root, but checks if the caller is root, if he isnt, he cant mount |
| 03:49.07 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: most people make them in win32 |
| 03:49.09 | colk | dav yes |
| 03:49.15 | foo | valdyn: That's what I thought, thanks |
| 03:49.18 | colk | apt knows about it |
| 03:49.19 | stew | dav: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 03:49.23 | colk | :P |
| 03:49.27 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: let me rephrase .. most linux-uneducated people :) |
| 03:49.36 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hah |
| 03:49.40 | sonyman | stew, I see. You are correct (of course) :) |
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| 03:49.56 | sonyman | stew, I am, alas, a newbie at heart |
| 03:49.57 | dav | colk / stew: thx |
| 03:49.59 | valdyn | !2006 key |
| 03:49.59 | dpkg | run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 03:50.08 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yet another way that windows is like a whiny little kid ;) |
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| 03:50.30 | AceSmythe | %#^@ing WD setup program |
| 03:50.37 | AceSmythe | keeps forcing 137GB |
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| 03:50.46 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: do you have SP1 or SP2? |
| 03:50.47 | AceSmythe | I should boot knoppix and format from there |
| 03:50.51 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: bad analogy :) |
| 03:50.51 | AceSmythe | neither |
| 03:50.52 | Slurpee` | how can i have my fx5200 to debian ? |
| 03:50.54 | AceSmythe | vanilla |
| 03:50.56 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: that's why |
| 03:51.00 | AceSmythe | hmmm |
| 03:51.08 | Slurpee` | fx5200 is a video card |
| 03:51.09 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: it knows that XP without either SP cannot handle 48-bit hard drive addressing |
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| 03:51.17 | sonyman | AceSmythe, is this a utility from which you boot off of? |
| 03:51.18 | AceSmythe | 2k |
| 03:51.22 | AceSmythe | not xp |
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| 03:51.24 | poser | tried lspci to find out video card but can't seem to see it, no idea on the type of card.. any idea on how to get sound? |
| 03:51.25 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: if it let you format past that, XP would happily trash your hard drive |
| 03:51.30 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: well, 2k too |
| 03:51.36 | AceSmythe | sony: i was going to use the boot version when it suggested the windows version |
| 03:51.40 | AceSmythe | should I use the boot version? |
| 03:51.41 | valdyn | poser: run update-pciids; then run lspci again |
| 03:51.41 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: you need some SP for 2k, i think it's SP6, not sure |
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| 03:51.56 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: no |
| 03:52.01 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: you should patch your windows |
| 03:52.02 | colk | btw the last command dosent exist 2006 key |
| 03:52.08 | sonyman | AceSmythe, what SP do you have? |
| 03:52.19 | AceSmythe | SerajewelKS: you mean break it that much more :p |
| 03:52.20 | valdyn | colk: what? |
| 03:52.24 | abrotman | !2006 key |
| 03:52.24 | dpkg | run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 03:52.27 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: you could have *nix or something format it, but if windows mounts that drive, you can kiss your data goodbye |
| 03:52.29 | AceSmythe | sony: it's a fresh install of 2k |
| 03:52.30 | colk | yes |
| 03:52.35 | colk | apt-key dosent exist |
| 03:52.43 | valdyn | colk: so you could install it |
| 03:52.46 | abrotman | colk: are you root ? |
| 03:52.48 | colk | yes |
| 03:52.52 | sonyman | AceSmythe, load up SP4 and then it will work. Win2k vanilla does NOT support 48bit LBA, which is the limitation here |
| 03:53.02 | AceSmythe | SerajewelKS: so what's the best way to format it? |
| 03:53.03 | colk | i cant install it either |
| 03:53.15 | valdyn | colk: why cant you? |
| 03:53.16 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: get SP4 and then do whatever you're doing now |
| 03:53.20 | AceSmythe | ah |
| 03:53.24 | AceSmythe | sounds good |
| 03:53.27 | colk | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 03:53.27 | colk | E: Couldn't find package apt-key |
| 03:53.30 | poser | valdyn: its an old laptop |
| 03:53.47 | valdyn | poser: old enough to have an isa gfx card? |
| 03:53.49 | sifi-x | is it more secure to run "kdesu kate" with a regular user then "kate" as a superuser? |
| 03:53.51 | SerajewelKS | you know, grape juice and pizza are a very bad combination |
| 03:53.53 | stew | colk: run that as root ; apt-key is part of the apt package |
| 03:53.59 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: have a beer too |
| 03:54.04 | colk | i am running it as root |
| 03:54.05 | poser | valdyn: no idea.. |
| 03:54.13 | poser | probably 7 years |
| 03:54.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no thanks, i think i can throw up without help |
| 03:54.17 | colk | and I am using the roots enviroment |
| 03:54.22 | sonyman | sifi-x, its better practice, thats for sure |
| 03:54.27 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: maybe some Peanut butter ? |
| 03:54.31 | stew | colk: what version of the "apt" package do you ahve? |
| 03:54.46 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i dunno, i was thinking of sleep |
| 03:54.58 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: heartburn! |
| 03:54.59 | poser | valdyn: onboard sound |
| 03:55.05 | colk | how do you tell |
| 03:55.17 | sonyman | I'm off to bed. bye everyone |
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| 03:55.26 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i don't think i've ever had heartburn actually |
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| 03:55.28 | abrotman | colk: dpkg -l apt | tail -1 |
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| 03:55.31 | colk | it dosent exist in sarge? |
| 03:55.33 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you lucky duck |
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| 03:55.37 | stew | !wikifaq colk PackageManagement |
| 03:55.37 | dpkg | colk: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 03:55.41 | stew | colk: no |
| 03:55.49 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: well i'm still in college |
| 03:55.57 | sifi-x | sonyman, yes, but do you think it's insecure to run it as root directly, I have a lot of error messages directly after I have executed a program this way |
| 03:56.00 | colk | ah that would be why it exists on my testing box but not stable |
| 03:56.01 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i had acid reflux at 17 :) |
| 03:56.01 | colk | :P |
| 03:56.26 | AceSmythe | SerajewelKS: hey, if i have windows format it (post SP update), but then another version of 2k tries to mount it (pre SP update), would that bork all the data? |
| 03:56.28 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: and then esophogitis |
| 03:56.41 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: yes |
| 03:56.51 | Guerin | abrotman: too many cheesesteaks |
| 03:56.56 | abrotman | i don't think it will bork it .. i think it will say invalid partition |
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| 03:57.02 | abrotman | Guerin: not at all ... |
| 03:57.09 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: because it will still be doing 32-bit LBA, so when i tries to read/write past 137gb, it's going to overflow and start writing back at 0gb |
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| 03:57.14 | abrotman | Guerin: too many chemicals :) |
| 03:57.32 | AceSmythe | so, before I try mounting that drive, update windows? |
| 03:57.35 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:57.35 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:57.48 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: yes |
| 03:57.53 | AceSmythe | check |
| 03:58.01 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: you can use partitions that are entirely below the 137gb mark |
| 03:58.10 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: are you sure it won't just say something like invalid parition ? |
| 03:58.11 | AceSmythe | would it corrupt the corrent data, or just fudge new data? |
| 03:58.16 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: but if you mount one that crosses that mark or is above that mark you are effed |
| 03:58.30 | AceSmythe | current* |
| 03:58.37 | abrotman | FFS .. make a 120GB partition .. |
| 03:58.44 | abrotman | or use a real filesystem |
| 03:58.49 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: very sure. i lost a good share of data by using vanilla XP on my 200gb. |
| 03:58.57 | abrotman | or rather .. less problematic FS |
| 03:59.21 | colk | woah pre sp xp dosent like 200 gig hard drives? |
| 03:59.33 | SerajewelKS | colk: anything over 137gb |
| 03:59.33 | AceSmythe | abrotman: the problem is that it wont LET ME USE more than 137, nevermind at a time, just total |
| 03:59.39 | stew | can we move the windows discussion to an appropriate channel |
| 03:59.39 | SerajewelKS | colk: sp1 adds 48-bit LBA |
| 03:59.45 | colk | ah |
| 03:59.52 | abrotman | AceSmythe: oh yeah .. i'm having problems keeping up :) |
| 03:59.57 | AceSmythe | :p |
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| 04:00.17 | abrotman | i blame SerajewelKS and his colug edacashun |
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| 04:00.21 | ludi | does libSDL support ALSA? |
| 04:00.24 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: to be careful, make sure all your OSes support 48-bit LBA before formatting, to avoid unpleasent surprises |
| 04:00.37 | abrotman | ludi: i think it does .. i think there's a #sdl or #libsdl |
| 04:00.46 | colk | btw does anyone know what would cause a motherboard to hang when detecting memory if you warm boot it but not if you cold boot it |
| 04:00.48 | SerajewelKS | ludi: in short, yes |
| 04:00.51 | abrotman | ludi: but alsa also has an OSS compatibility layer |
| 04:01.04 | SerajewelKS | ludi: on debian there is a separate SDL library for ALSA |
| 04:01.08 | AceSmythe | on my laptop (and in the future my desktop) I have/plan on Sarge Debian, is that up to snuff in this reguard? |
| 04:01.09 | ludi | the oss compatibility layer is causing a problem in one of my applications |
| 04:01.25 | ludi | SerajewelKS: what is the separate SDL library for ALSA? |
| 04:01.29 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: anything after some 2.4 revision (i forget which one) is fine |
| 04:01.38 | AceSmythe | yarr, 2.6 for me |
| 04:01.41 | SerajewelKS | AceSmythe: the default 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 should work fine |
| 04:01.56 | SerajewelKS | ludi: apt-cache search sdl alsa |
| 04:02.15 | foo | Is -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 68496 2005-09-21 07:43 /bin/mount the correct perms for the mount binary? Or should it be user:user ? |
| 04:02.37 | sifi-x | where can I read some linux newbie, like that I should use kdesu instead of execute the program in the shell as root which you guys just answered |
| 04:02.43 | SerajewelKS | foo: those are the right perms |
| 04:02.43 | colk | foo yes |
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| 04:03.04 | colk | that is actually what mount needs to work as a user |
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| 04:03.09 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: well, most guides will tell you not to use kate at all for editing config files |
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| 04:03.25 | AceSmythe | nano is better methinks |
| 04:03.46 | colk | !start an editor war |
| 04:03.46 | dpkg | edlin doesn't deserve to be in BSD |
| 04:04.02 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, can you recommed some URLS for some good guide? |
| 04:04.02 | Mortalman | Is it possible to boot into the debian installer from a USB key? |
| 04:04.36 | abrotman | Mortalman: it is |
| 04:04.50 | stew | !usb-install |
| 04:04.50 | dpkg | from memory, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or jumpdrive, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 04:05.04 | ludi | SerajewelKS: the package name is libsdl1.2debian-alsa |
| 04:05.14 | ludi | SerajewelKS: where would I find the location of it's library on my system? |
| 04:05.28 | Mortalman | awesome |
| 04:05.30 | stew | !usb-install =~ s#jumpdrive#usb key# |
| 04:05.30 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 04:05.32 | SerajewelKS | !intro-linux |
| 04:05.32 | dpkg | well, intro-linux is The Introduction to Linux Hands on guide. Seriously recommended for new Linux Users (Newbies, if you must). http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html |
| 04:05.35 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: ^^^ |
| 04:05.37 | sifi-x | Mortalman, yes, just enable boot on the partition on the USB device |
| 04:05.38 | stew | no reason for the trademarked name |
| 04:05.47 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, why should I not use kate for editing config files? |
| 04:05.48 | SerajewelKS | ludi: dpkg -L libsdl1.2debian-alsa |
| 04:06.12 | Guerin | sifi-x: don't become reliant on an x-based editor |
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| 04:06.26 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: running any kind of complicated GUI program as root is discouraged, because bugs could destroy your system |
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| 04:06.46 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: pretty much any KDE program is going to have a lot of chances to bug out |
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| 04:07.09 | dserban` | How do I specifically log in as a different user in konqueror? :/ smb://blah works, but I'd like to connect as a different user. (sorry if this is OT) |
| 04:07.22 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, so you mean that GUI editors should never be used by root |
| 04:07.22 | Pedro420 | nvz: you there ? |
| 04:07.36 | stew | dserban`: try smb://user@blah |
| 04:07.40 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: in general, right |
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| 04:07.54 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: some GUI programs are acceptable for root use, e.g. ethereal |
| 04:07.54 | sifi-x | Sememmon, thats for GNOME to? |
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| 04:08.20 | stew | SerajewelKS: why is ethereal less likely to "bug out" than any kde program? |
| 04:08.55 | _Sam-- | where does apt store packages when it downloads them prior to installing? |
| 04:09.08 | dserban` | stew, ahh, makes sense (I remember that from the nasty 'ol windoze days). |
| 04:09.10 | dserban` | Thanks. ;) |
| 04:09.18 | _Sam-- | i am trying to do an install on a compact flash card...i get it booting up using a minimal install... |
| 04:09.20 | colk | /var/cache/apt |
| 04:09.24 | LoRe | _Sam--: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 04:09.27 | _Sam-- | then i try to add packages...but apt-get takes all my space |
| 04:09.28 | Pedro420 | Does anyone here know anything about wiring a sound feeder to your pc for a power source ? |
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| 04:09.30 | _Sam-- | before it can unpackage |
| 04:09.34 | SerajewelKS | stew: afaik gnome apps don't require as many weird services to be running |
| 04:09.37 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, so I should never edit files as root in any GUI editor for any DM? |
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| 04:09.55 | dserban` | meh didn't work. |
| 04:09.57 | _Sam-- | how couldi make it store the package in a ramdisk before it unpackages them to the small compact flash card |
| 04:10.03 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: it would be safer to say "just use a text-mode editor" |
| 04:10.07 | _Sam-- | i guess i could make the ramdisk |
| 04:10.11 | _Sam-- | then mount it under /var/.... |
| 04:10.21 | stew | SerajewelKS: ethereal isn't a gnome app |
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| 04:10.42 | anton_ | hello? |
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| 04:10.43 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, all right, vi next |
| 04:10.46 | SerajewelKS | stew: which is even better, then |
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| 04:10.56 | bbrazil | _Sam--: apt-get autoclean |
| 04:10.57 | anton_ | no one on the ubuntu serve is being helpfull |
| 04:11.02 | anton_ | i have a question |
| 04:11.08 | SerajewelKS | !they don't know |
| 04:11.08 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 04:11.08 | anton_ | i dont know if you guys can answer it |
| 04:11.10 | tabris|away | anton_: well, this is the _wrong_ channel for ubuntu |
| 04:11.12 | abrotman | anton_: go to #ubuntu |
| 04:11.20 | abrotman | bbrazil: isn't it like .. 3am there ? |
| 04:11.21 | anton_ | :-\ |
| 04:11.22 | stew | anton_: try a ubuntu mailing list then |
| 04:11.25 | Xenguy | anton_: they don't like Ubu questions here ;-) |
| 04:11.26 | bbrazil | abrotman: 4 |
| 04:11.27 | abrotman | or ask ##linux |
| 04:11.32 | abrotman | bbrazil: just checking :) |
| 04:11.32 | _Sam-- | sorry got disconnected.....so i should try apt-get autoclean? |
| 04:11.34 | _Sam-- | how can i make it store the downloaded in a ramdisk |
| 04:11.38 | _Sam-- | then install them to hd |
| 04:11.39 | sifi-x | is ubuntu using debian packages and the debian mirrors |
| 04:11.47 | abrotman | ubuntu is ubuntu |
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| 04:12.00 | bbrazil | abrotman: it hasn't stopped me before :) |
| 04:12.00 | abrotman | they have thier own infrastructure |
| 04:12.01 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: sometimes, and no |
| 04:12.02 | sifi-x | abrotman, so how are the related to eachother |
| 04:12.14 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: ubuntu is based on debian |
| 04:12.17 | abrotman | sifi-x: ubuntu is one of the numerous distros based on debian |
| 04:12.24 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 04:12.24 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 04:12.55 | bbrazil | _Sam--: rereading autoclean probably won't help you - but it can't hurt |
| 04:13.05 | _Sam-- | i see that |
| 04:13.06 | sifi-x | how many distros is based on debian |
| 04:13.21 | abrotman | sifi-x: many |
| 04:13.24 | _Sam-- | my problem is i need debian to store the downloaded packages in ramdisk not physical disk before it tries to install them |
| 04:13.36 | sifi-x | abrotman, make a guess? |
| 04:13.40 | _Sam-- | either that or it needs to delete the packages after it unpacks each one or something |
| 04:13.41 | aum | hi - got a problem with a gsa-4165b dvd-ram drive - it works ok if it's alone on the ide controller, but bios fails to detect any other devices i add to that controller - i've tried all combinations of cs/master/slave and cable positions in both |
| 04:13.55 | abrotman | sifi-x: http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
| 04:13.58 | bbrazil | _Sam--: I remember hitting similar when installing on my 386 |
| 04:14.00 | _Sam-- | ike to do a 600 meg apt-get update may take 1200 mbs of disk space while it downloads and unpacks |
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| 04:14.10 | cookiecaper | aum, BIOS doesn't have anything to do with Debian |
| 04:14.16 | bbrazil | _Sam--: how much RAM do you have? |
| 04:14.19 | _Sam-- | 1g |
| 04:14.21 | ludi | Does openal support ALSA? |
| 04:14.27 | sifi-x | abrotman, thx =) |
| 04:14.35 | aum | cookiecaper: true - it's ot, but there are many good bios/hw-level experts here |
| 04:14.44 | bbrazil | _Sam--: no problem then there, mount tmpfs /var/whatever -t tmpfs |
| 04:14.46 | abrotman | ludi: you ask a lot of questions about alsa .. been to #alsa yet? :) |
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| 04:14.54 | _Sam-- | can you tell me again the directory where apt stores the packages? |
| 04:14.56 | ehn | has the Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key just changed? |
| 04:15.05 | ehn | and if so, where do i get the new ones? |
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| 04:15.11 | abrotman | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 04:15.15 | bbrazil | _Sam--: note that that can fill all your ram and make your system unusable, there's a mount option to limit the size |
| 04:15.20 | abrotman | !2006 key |
| 04:15.20 | dpkg | run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 04:15.28 | _Sam-- | ty all |
| 04:15.33 | ehn | cool, thanks. |
| 04:16.34 | ludi | Is this OSS? /dev/[sound/]dsp |
| 04:16.45 | _Sam-- | been a fun project...custom install on a compact flash card w/ kde |
| 04:17.00 | _Sam-- | hard to fit on 1g compact flash, need to learn how to use compressed root filesystems |
| 04:17.07 | Pedro420 | Does anyone here know anthing about electrical wiring ? |
| 04:17.44 | abrotman | Pedro420: don't put your finger across the prongs when plugging stuff in |
| 04:17.58 | _Sam-- | im not sure which will be faster..apt-getting the stuff i need for it, or just trying to use synaptic to strip knoppix |
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| 04:18.43 | zoid_ | Pedro420, what's the problem? |
| 04:19.52 | abrotman | !moo |
| 04:19.52 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 04:20.12 | zoid_ | oh |
| 04:20.44 | magick | I'm using mplayer and i'm throwing the input into grep to find one line for me. The problem is that mplayer displays a lot of text to the screen when i'm only interested in the output of grep. Is there a way around this? |
| 04:21.14 | sifi-x | can I make KDE:s "Run Command" (Alt+F2) associate when using tab like GNOME:s "Run Command" (alt+F2) ? |
| 04:21.35 | abrotman | magick: redirect STDERR ? |
| 04:21.45 | bbrazil | magick: mplayer blah 2>&1 | grep whatever I'm guessing |
| 04:22.06 | magick | Thanks, I wasn't sure what stream it was outputting (error or something else) |
| 04:22.25 | Pedro420 | zoid_: I got a sound feeder and I am trying to wire it to my pc for its power source. I know the basics yellow wire power, black ground. I am wiring it to one of the extra 4 prong plugs that plug into the back of a cdrom drive and shit like that. Do I have to activate the plug i am using like its a drive or something ? |
| 04:22.31 | bbrazil | magick: in general if grep isn't doing what you want - its stderr |
| 04:23.18 | AceSmythe | what's reccomended, fat or NTFS? |
| 04:23.26 | magick | bbrazil, thanks, good to know |
| 04:23.26 | bbrazil | AceSmythe: for what? |
| 04:23.27 | abrotman | for what! |
| 04:23.42 | AceSmythe | backupdrive shared between debian and win2k |
| 04:23.46 | abrotman | if you want to lose your data in a hurry .. i recommend reiser :) |
| 04:23.48 | stew | AceSmythe: fat, since you cannot reliably write to ntfs |
| 04:23.55 | AceSmythe | indeed |
| 04:23.57 | AceSmythe | ok |
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| 04:24.41 | sifi-x | how can I make an association with tab in "Run Command" (Alt+F2) in KDE like in GNOME:s "Run Application"? |
| 04:25.02 | dorileo | a little stupid question... why would I preffer debian instead of slackware |
| 04:25.06 | dorileo | ? |
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| 04:25.12 | sarek | hi |
| 04:25.23 | sarek | how can I easily reformat a tex file which has looooong lines, so that lines are wrapped at col 80 for example? maybe some function in vim? |
| 04:25.37 | Shadda | Good god this is hard... |
| 04:25.47 | Shadda | Don't suppose anyone knows an FLV encoder for linux? |
| 04:25.53 | Shadda | been looking for days |
| 04:25.54 | jbroome | dorileo: BTSOM, i can't figure out why anyone wants to use slackware. |
| 04:25.57 | AceSmythe | SP update worked like a charm |
| 04:26.05 | jbroome | load both, see which you like |
| 04:26.25 | dorileo | jbroome: why? |
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| 04:26.46 | bbrazil | sarek: gggqG |
| 04:27.03 | bbrazil | sarek: see also :set textwidth |
| 04:27.20 | sarek | ah, ok, thnaks |
| 04:27.27 | abrotman | !tell dorileo about why debian |
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| 04:27.46 | stew | sarek: or there is "fmt" command |
| 04:28.07 | bbrazil | sarek: or fold |
| 04:28.48 | sarek | ok, seem to be quite some ways to do this, I'll try around :) |
| 04:29.24 | dorileo | I know about the distribution control, nobody have the control over the distribution and a genuine OS distribution but what else? |
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| 04:29.27 | bbrazil | sarek: I should mention that 'gq' is the actual vim command above - the rest makes it apply to the whole file |
| 04:29.42 | abrotman | dorileo: you get to ask us silly questions! :) |
| 04:29.43 | sarek | ah ic |
| 04:30.21 | AceSmythe | is 16k reccomended over 8 or 32? |
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| 04:30.29 | AceSmythe | which should I use for this purpose |
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| 04:30.46 | bbrazil | sarek: random linkage: http://www.rayninfo.co.uk/vimtips.html |
| 04:31.05 | dorileo | abrotman: what else? I like the concepts... but I need more :D |
| 04:31.35 | bbrazil | AceSmythe: how big is the drive and how big/many files are there? |
| 04:31.55 | AceSmythe | 250gb, none yet |
| 04:32.07 | bbrazil | AceSmythe: definitely 32 |
| 04:32.11 | AceSmythe | so far i have 8 even partitions of 31258 each |
| 04:32.25 | bbrazil | AceSmythe: I'm not sure FAT32 can handle all of that |
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| 04:33.01 | AceSmythe | ? |
| 04:33.24 | Pingy | can any one here recommend a good console based bandwidth monitoring tool? |
| 04:33.32 | bbrazil | AceSmythe: I can only verify 120GB from personal experiance - there *could* be a 137GB limit - although paritioning into segments should take care of that |
| 04:33.39 | bbrazil | Pingy: iftop, bmon, iptraf |
| 04:33.46 | tilrman | dorileo: I switched from slack to deb because a deb box is easier to maintain |
| 04:33.47 | Pingy | im useing iptraf right now |
| 04:33.50 | AceSmythe | bbrazil: welcome to about 15 minutes ago |
| 04:33.59 | AceSmythe | i just upgraded windows to support the 250 |
| 04:34.14 | dorileo | tilrman: good point |
| 04:34.17 | AceSmythe | and i've been told debian past 2.4 supports it too |
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| 04:34.43 | ludi | Is this OSS? /dev/[sound/]dsp |
| 04:34.46 | ludi | Does openal support ALSA? |
| 04:34.55 | AceSmythe | SerajewelKS: poke? |
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| 04:37.20 | sarek | bbrazil: how do I have to use gggpG? vim tells me it's not a vim command |
| 04:37.59 | bbrazil | sarek: it isn't a : command |
| 04:38.18 | sarek | so in command mode I just enter gggpG? |
| 04:38.23 | Pingy | does any one here have experince installing a os, Debian or other wise, on to a table top router? |
| 04:38.40 | bbrazil | sarek: yes |
| 04:38.53 | sarek | ok |
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| 04:43.26 | Zenethian | Could someone perhaps explain to me what "ChallengeResponseAuthentication" for SSH is? The manpage is less than useful |
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| 04:43.52 | bbrazil | Zenethian: password iirc |
| 04:44.10 | ludi | alsa-oss causes periodic hangups in my application |
| 04:44.56 | y | how can I change skin in kde |
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| 04:46.58 | sarek | bbrazil: that didn't do quite what I want ... it reformatted the text, but now lines that were shorter and only contained one singel latex command are contracted into one line. can I somehow make it preserve short lines and only reformat the lines that go beyond the set textwidth? |
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| 04:47.16 | bbrazil | sarek: try fold |
| 04:47.26 | W4Z00 | i have a question |
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| 04:47.52 | W4Z00 | i cant seem to get mod_rewrite to work, and i cant find the needed rewrite.conf anywhere online |
| 04:48.11 | W4Z00 | or a package to install that will load it |
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| 04:50.24 | W4Z00 | any ideas? |
| 04:50.36 | nkuttler | W4Z00: tried the docs section at httpd.apache.org? |
| 04:50.47 | W4Z00 | its a debian issue |
| 04:50.51 | W4Z00 | i have already been there |
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| 04:51.30 | j4v4m4n | which file can be used to set PATH globally? |
| 04:51.38 | j4v4m4n | I tried /etc/profile |
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| 04:51.46 | noiesmo | hey does anyone know how long it would be before openoffice 2 is available in stable. |
| 04:51.47 | j4v4m4n | but it is not executing |
| 04:51.51 | bbrazil | sarek: also if you do a google on site:linux.ie there was a similar question in the last while, I recall giving a few solutions |
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| 04:51.55 | shadow98_ | anybody on that can help me with my openvpn connection issues |
| 04:52.01 | W4Z00 | isnt it already? |
| 04:52.08 | W4Z00 | noiesmo |
| 04:52.16 | noiesmo | only 1.13 |
| 04:52.21 | W4Z00 | huh |
| 04:52.22 | sarek | bbrazil: thanks for your help, I think I am on the right way now |
| 04:52.22 | nkuttler | noiesmo: backports.org |
| 04:52.26 | W4Z00 | thought they released all of that |
| 04:52.28 | shadow98_ | im getting connected and getting an ip...but i cannot ping anything on lan side |
| 04:52.58 | danieldg | when using aptitude - GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because thepublic key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F - is this a problem? |
| 04:53.03 | sifi-x | how do I change the skin (borders, icons, text etc) in kde? |
| 04:53.04 | nkuttler | W4Z00: what's your question actually? how to enable mod_rewrite or how to configure it? |
| 04:53.06 | j4v4m4n | noiesmo, even testing has only 1.14 |
| 04:53.13 | roler | I have a problem with my linux partition - it wont boot. a mount / fsck warning comes up saying my partition was unmounted in the future.. something about a superblock. i've ran fsck.ext3 and it comes out clean. what can I do? |
| 04:53.19 | W4Z00 | how to get it to work in debian |
| 04:53.20 | bbrazil | danieldg: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 04:53.24 | W4Z00 | i have used it in other distros |
| 04:53.27 | nkuttler | W4Z00: which apache version? |
| 04:53.31 | W4Z00 | 2 |
| 04:53.41 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 04:53.42 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | BORKED: yaird/kernels (#343042/#343048) | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | /msg dpkg apt secure | Please note: this is not #ubuntu. |
| 04:53.42 | nkuttler | W4Z00: a2enmod rewrite? |
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| 04:53.53 | W4Z00 | didnt try that |
| 04:53.56 | W4Z00 | sec |
| 04:54.16 | bbrazil | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 04:54.24 | sifi-x | how can I view properties for menuitems in kde (righ-click does not working)? |
| 04:54.42 | noiesmo | nkuttler, thanks for that will give it a go :-) |
| 04:54.49 | danieldg | bbrazil: thanks |
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| 04:56.28 | madradrone | hello what can i put in /etc/hosts so that i block all web pages from experts-exchange.com ? |
| 04:57.01 | bbrazil | madradrone: 0.0.0.0 experts-exchange.com |
| 04:57.05 | j4v4m4n | will /etc/profile get executed for a root login? |
| 04:57.16 | bbrazil | madradrone: add one for each subdomain |
| 04:57.26 | bbrazil | j4v4m4n: should do |
| 04:57.46 | madradrone | thank you bbrazil |
| 04:57.50 | bbrazil | madradrone: there are probably better ways to do that - especially if you already are using a proxy server |
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| 04:58.02 | j4v4m4n | bbrazil, but it is not :-( |
| 04:58.19 | bbrazil | j4v4m4n: are you literally logging in as root? |
| 04:58.22 | omi | Hello all, I'm trying to run base-config and I get "Terminated" (chrooting into a dir containing debian system under XEN3) |
| 04:58.30 | omi | what could be wrong |
| 04:58.38 | madradrone | yeah i get a 404 from my local webserver |
| 04:58.40 | bbrazil | j4v4m4n: wait - is this a PATH issue with su? |
| 04:58.59 | j4v4m4n | bbrazil, no, I login as root from gdm |
| 04:59.01 | y | does debian 3.1r1 installs a the full kernel or just a speaking kernel as in the older versions? |
| 04:59.19 | madradrone | bbrazil: any way to get it to redirect to some more useful page? or would that require tinkering with the local apache? |
| 04:59.34 | bbrazil | j4v4m4n: *shudder*, its probably not starting your terminals as login shells |
| 04:59.51 | bbrazil | madradrone: yea and depends on how you do it |
| 05:00.24 | y | do I have to run apt-get install kernel-image-2.4..... after I have installed debian 3.1 r1 or is the defult kernel full? |
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| 05:00.56 | bbrazil | y: kernel should be installed after an install |
| 05:01.08 | bbrazil | y: otherwise the reboot wouldn't have worked |
| 05:01.43 | bbrazil | sifi-x: there are official 2.6 kernels for sarge too |
| 05:01.56 | sifi-x | bbrazil, yes, but 3.0 was installing a speakup kernel |
| 05:02.17 | bbrazil | sifi-x: speakup kernel? |
| 05:02.34 | sifi-x | bbrazil, yes, a floppy sized 2.4 kernel |
| 05:03.05 | sifi-x | bbrazil, anyway it seems to be gone now, thats what grub says |
| 05:03.30 | bbrazil | sifi-x: I don't recall that, but I always chose 2.4 and then compiled my own :) |
| 05:03.41 | sifi-x | bbrazil, ok |
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| 05:03.57 | sifi-x | how do I change theme in kde? |
| 05:04.23 | noiesmo | sifi-x, control center |
| 05:04.44 | j4v4m4n | bbrazil, is there any other files which I can add PATH to? |
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| 05:04.51 | ludi | anyone here play armyops? |
| 05:05.12 | bbrazil | j4v4m4n: for bash? man bash, look under invocation. /etc/bashrc iirc |
| 05:05.52 | sifi-x | noiesmo, whats the command for it |
| 05:06.34 | j4v4m4n | bbrazil, for Redhat and Fedora there used to be /etc/rc.local? Any rc files similar here? |
| 05:06.41 | bbrazil | !rc.local |
| 05:06.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 05:07.05 | noiesmo | sifi-x, if in kde its in the menu |
| 05:07.26 | noiesmo | sifi-x, kcontrol |
| 05:07.52 | sifi-x | noiesmo, I dont find where just |
| 05:08.41 | noiesmo | sifi-x, have you installed kde if so open console and type kcontrol other wise try apt-get install kcontrol |
| 05:09.14 | sifi-x | noiesmo, thx =) |
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| 05:10.31 | noiesmo | nkuttler, bugger theres broken pancakes in openoffice.org from backports ah well |
| 05:11.25 | noiesmo | see flood |
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| 05:15.57 | Canadianguy | nobody chatting here |
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| 05:22.25 | sifi-x | how do I modify borders in kde in ckontrol? I want to use background images |
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| 05:22.48 | sarek | hi |
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| 05:24.23 | sarek | I am still having trouble with reformating text in vim ... I want long lines to be wrapped at a certain column which works fine with gq but I want short lines to be untouched. Now, when I have two short line follwoing right after another they are contracted to one line :( |
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| 05:26.14 | roler | when I boot up Debian, it says "Superblock last mount time is in the future." I am looking it up on google and it may be because my timezone is not set correctly? Can anyone help? |
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| 05:26.32 | orchid | sarek, you know there is a #vim? they would likely know |
| 05:26.35 | HermanDE | roler: check out tzconfig.... |
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| 05:26.52 | sarek | orchid: great idea, sorry :-) |
| 05:26.55 | HermanDE | roler: Ensure your clock is set correctly by issuing the command 'date' |
| 05:27.12 | roler | HermanDE; that it is. i use rdate -s time.nist.gov to set it |
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| 05:27.54 | HermanDE | roler: I like things that are easy...:) |
| 05:28.17 | roler | the only way I can boot up linux is to boot windows, set my clock to 1 day ahead, and then it boots.... so I have to advance it one day each time I boot linux or use rdate and set it to the 4th everytime |
| 05:29.11 | HermanDE | roler: Ok... Why do you need to boot windows at all? |
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| 05:29.39 | roler | HermanDE; because if I don't, linux won't boot. I get the message "Superblock last mount time is in the future." |
| 05:29.47 | roler | HermanDE; I must go to windows, advance one day, then linux boots fine |
| 05:29.52 | FarrisG | ssh just stopped working properly. Whenever I try to login, I get "stdin: is not a tty" |
| 05:29.58 | roler | HermanDE; i suppose I could set the clock via the bios... |
| 05:30.02 | FarrisG | I haven't changed anything on this box in months |
| 05:30.06 | HermanDE | roler: Change it in the bios....//// :) |
| 05:30.51 | HermanDE | FarrisG: Hmm.. Have you been root'd? ssh pumping out to stdin... :) |
| 05:30.52 | sifi-x | how can I view the properties for items on the kde menu (right-click > properties does not exist like in GNOME)? |
| 05:31.30 | HermanDE | sifi-x: It's been awhile for me... I think there is a KDE menu configurator.... |
| 05:31.42 | FarrisG | HermanDE: I seriously doubt it, as this is an internal machine not connected to the WAN |
| 05:31.50 | FarrisG | HermanDE: But I'll not rule it out |
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| 05:32.11 | roler | ok rebooting :) |
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| 05:32.29 | HermanDE | FarrisG: Try running the server in non-daemon mode.... |
| 05:32.31 | kino | anyone know how to do WPA? wpasupplicant where's the docs for this? |
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| 05:32.36 | HermanDE | FarrisG: See what happens... |
| 05:32.37 | sifi-x | HermanDE, thx =) |
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| 05:33.35 | drraid | After some apt-get upgrade, I now recieve the error "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such |
| 05:33.37 | drraid | file or directory" |
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| 05:33.52 | drraid | Is this because i have no LANG defined in my bashrc? |
| 05:34.04 | drraid | is this because i smoke crack in the bathroom and write numbers on the wall? |
| 05:34.06 | VlivE | anyone care for a "udev" question? |
| 05:34.10 | VlivE | my question is I created a /dev/dvb/adapter 0 adapter 1 , 2 ,3 and I varifyed that they were there but after I reboot |
| 05:34.10 | VlivE | <VlivE> that device is not there? |
| 05:34.10 | VlivE | <VlivE> when I do a ls /dev/dvb |
| 05:34.10 | VlivE | <VlivE> its says device not found |
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| 05:34.11 | FarrisG | HermanDE: How do I do that? |
| 05:34.17 | sarek | is there any good latex-ide (if one can coll it like that) I need an editor and on the fly spell check at least. But vim confuses me a bit ;-) |
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| 05:34.41 | kino | debian confuses me.. how do you setup WEP/WPA ?? |
| 05:35.04 | VlivE | my question is I created a /dev/dvb/adapter 0 adapter 1 , 2 ,3 and I varifyed that they were there but after I reboot |
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| 05:35.38 | VlivE | when I do a ls /dev/dvb it says device is not found |
| 05:35.45 | VlivE | with "udev" |
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| 05:36.18 | VlivE | kino what type of wireless card? |
| 05:36.27 | VlivE | dlink? |
| 05:37.33 | kino | atheros |
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| 05:38.51 | HermanDE | FarrisG: If I remember there is a command line switch.... |
| 05:39.12 | HermanDE | FarrisG: Just shut down SSH then run sshd from the command line... |
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| 05:40.08 | HermanDE | kino: WEP is different than WPA.... |
| 05:40.46 | HermanDE | kino: WEP is supported on most cards.... |
| 05:41.07 | HermanDE | kino: But WPA has more support problems.... |
| 05:41.32 | HermanDE | kino: I'd suggest using OpenVPN to provide your security...... |
| 05:41.56 | FarrisG | HermanDE: Ok, I no longer get the error message, but now the ssh connection just seems to freeze after authentication |
| 05:41.57 | HermanDE | kino: Let the world sniff your encrypted text.... |
| 05:42.12 | kino | openvpn is too difficult to setup |
| 05:42.14 | HermanDE | FarrisG: Did you run it from the command line? |
| 05:42.49 | HermanDE | kino: Are you kidding? I have discovered that OpenVPN to be the Easiest to setup on Linux, Mac and windows.... |
| 05:42.52 | FarrisG | HermanDE: Yes |
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| 05:43.07 | drraid | yeah |
| 05:43.19 | drraid | VPN will offer you more security than WEP/WPA anyway |
| 05:43.29 | drraid | er, OpenVPN |
| 05:43.43 | HermanDE | FarrisG: It sounds like you didn't point to a proper shell... From the command line, did you point it to the config file? |
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| 05:44.20 | HermanDE | drraid: Careful, PPTP is considered a VPN but it is as secure as my underware.... |
| 05:44.32 | FarrisG | HermanDE: Yes indeed |
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| 05:44.56 | HermanDE | FarrisG: That might be your problem.....:) |
| 05:45.09 | sifi-x | how can I use background images to the title background in kde? |
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| 05:45.17 | HermanDE | FarrisG: Freezing after authentication.... |
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| 05:45.38 | Gnea | kino: openvpn is massively easy, you just have to read a lot and experiment, just like any proper piece of software |
| 05:45.40 | kino | wpa is only supported on prism2? |
| 05:45.57 | FarrisG | HermanDE: The auth log sasy "error: openpty: No such file or directory" and then "error: session_pty_req: session 0 alloc failed" |
| 05:46.04 | HermanDE | kino: I figured it out in about an hour.... The samples are very well done.... |
| 05:46.53 | HermanDE | kino: It is over UDP. And fits within the internet very well..... |
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| 05:47.21 | HermanDE | FarrisG: Have you tried to reinstall ssh? |
| 05:47.49 | HermanDE | kino: wpa is a well done system. But support under linux really stinks..... |
| 05:48.04 | FarrisG | HermanDE: not yet |
| 05:48.40 | HermanDE | FarrisG: That is the beauty of debian.... apt-get install ssh --reinstall |
| 05:48.49 | FarrisG | HermanDE: I'd like to use that as a last resort, as I have several ssh sessions already open and doing various things at the moment. |
| 05:48.58 | FarrisG | HermanDE: Will that kill any existing ssh sessions? |
| 05:49.14 | Whistleboy | What does it mean in kernel-image-2.6-k7 that it is a transition only package? |
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| 05:50.48 | FarrisG | HermanDE: Ok, went ahead and did it. Still the same |
| 05:50.49 | HermanDE | FarrisG: Yep..... |
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| 05:51.20 | HermanDE | FarrisG: Wow... You live in a wonderful world... :) I'd have waited.... |
| 05:51.49 | HermanDE | FarrisG: It could be that the daemon did not close properly... And you are still running the old binary.... |
| 05:51.50 | FarrisG | HermanDE: Wonderful world? Waited for what? |
| 05:52.08 | FarrisG | Incidentally, I just remembered that stopping sshd does not kill current sessions |
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| 05:52.21 | HermanDE | FarrisG: Yep.... |
| 05:52.35 | Whistleboy | does aptitude implement pinning the same as apt? |
| 05:52.39 | HermanDE | FarrisG: I just take the conservative outlook when working on servers.... |
| 05:52.57 | FarrisG | HermanDE: I normally do as well |
| 05:52.58 | HermanDE | Whistleboy: Are you going for etch? |
| 05:53.20 | Whistleboy | I run pretty much out of unstable, but want to pin down nvidia stuff to stable |
| 05:53.22 | HermanDE | Whistleboy: Aptitude uses apt..... |
| 05:53.24 | FarrisG | HermanDE: But this isn't a particularly important box, other than that I'd prefer to do something fairly important on it right this moment |
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| 05:53.47 | HermanDE | FarrisG: How many ssh sessions are you running? |
| 05:53.56 | FarrisG | now, just two |
| 05:54.00 | FarrisG | and I'm almost done with them |
| 05:54.25 | mnilesh | new to this! Any new bies like me?????? |
| 05:54.49 | HermanDE | mnilesh: We are all newbies.... Just try and ask us a simple question.... |
| 05:55.51 | Whistleboy | is kernel-image and linux-image pretty much the same thing (just naming difference) |
| 05:56.56 | HermanDE | Whistleboy: It could be that Debian is changing the name from Kernel-Image to Linux-image.... |
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| 05:57.42 | HermanDE | Whistleboy: it would make a bit of sense.... Considering that the *BSD's use different types of kernels..... |
| 05:57.58 | Whistleboy | HermanDE: that is what it seems. Aptitude keeps wanting to upgrade kernel-image. I would like it to depend on the nvidia drivers so I don't upgrade beyond my video drivers |
| 05:58.18 | Whistleboy | or am I being confused by linux-image vs. kernel-image? ? |
| 05:58.33 | drraid | apt-get install locales |
| 05:58.37 | drraid | why didnt i see that? |
| 05:58.39 | drraid | wtf is my problem |
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| 06:01.43 | mushrooomprince | wow I'm so happy. |
| 06:01.48 | mushrooomprince | i was hungry for a bi |
| 06:01.49 | mushrooomprince | t |
| 06:01.53 | mushrooomprince | been hungry all night |
| 06:01.57 | mushrooomprince | and now ... I just remembered ... |
| 06:02.02 | mushrooomprince | I have a bag of chips in my dresser |
| 06:02.04 | mushrooomprince | im going to go get them |
| 06:02.08 | noiesmo | hey little help with digital camera im running stable its a kodak cx7300 usb, when look /var/log/messages it's recoknized and libgphoto is applied when i do usbview its there when i do lsusb its not if i add usbpen no probs can mount but the cam uses ptp protocal any on can help |
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| 06:05.00 | preston | could i have a chip? |
| 06:05.25 | preston | i'm pretty hungry too and my fridge is pretty empty ;-) |
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| 06:08.15 | neuterspay | Anybody here recommend BitchX? |
| 06:08.31 | neuterspay | And for all of you who helped me last night - I finally understand installation and apt-get! x) |
| 06:08.39 | Agrajag- | nah go with irssi |
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| 06:09.57 | Agrajag- | !irssi |
| 06:09.57 | dpkg | from memory, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
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| 06:13.40 | HermanDE | noiesmo: So, you can see it with lsusb? |
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| 06:15.05 | noiesmo | HermanDE, no I think thats part of the problem |
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| 06:16.43 | noiesmo | HermanDE, every now and then it appears in lsusb as kodak co but even then its not picked up via gtkam or kde control panel but the var/log/messages sees it beeing plug an unplugged |
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| 06:17.25 | noiesmo | HermanDE, I am currently compiling new libgphoto to see if it helps |
| 06:17.27 | SkArFaCe | does anybody know of any good video players? |
| 06:17.28 | nkuttler | noiesmo: hm, faulty cable? |
| 06:17.48 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 06:18.05 | SkArFaCe | huh? |
| 06:18.13 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: type that in this window |
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| 06:18.21 | noiesmo | nkuttler, possible i suppose when plug in to wifes M$ sys its picked up but will try other cable |
| 06:19.10 | nkuttler | noiesmo: if syslog says it's being plugged in and out it's probably a connection issue. cable or connectors |
| 06:19.15 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: VLC, xine, mplayer, realplayer.... |
| 06:19.22 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: What are you looking for? |
| 06:19.34 | SkArFaCe | an mpeg player to be exact |
| 06:19.55 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: how about trying apt-cache search mpeg |
| 06:19.59 | noiesmo | !mplayer |
| 06:19.59 | dpkg | mplayer is probably not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 06:20.00 | SkArFaCe | but i dont know how to do none of that compilings stuff |
| 06:20.26 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: First question... Are you using windows? |
| 06:20.33 | SkArFaCe | no |
| 06:20.35 | SkArFaCe | demudi |
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| 06:20.43 | SkArFaCe | no one is talking in #demudi to help,... |
| 06:20.50 | noiesmo | SkArFaCe, http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer2.php |
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| 06:20.53 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: You have media players built into that distro..... |
| 06:20.54 | worthy | im back |
| 06:21.12 | worthy | how do I start gdm login manager please? |
| 06:21.19 | SkArFaCe | really..well i wasnt able to locate it if i do |
| 06:21.22 | nkuttler | worthy: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 06:21.25 | cat | worthy: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 06:21.35 | SkArFaCe | what might it called? |
| 06:21.38 | preston | SkArFaCe: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
| 06:21.41 | worthy | thanks |
| 06:21.52 | noiesmo | !marillat |
| 06:21.52 | dpkg | [marillat] an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 06:21.55 | HermanDE | noiesmo: Try http://ptp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:21.57 | SkArFaCe | what is that for preston |
| 06:21.58 | SkArFaCe | ? |
| 06:22.01 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: you're not using debian. you should probably read your distros docs |
| 06:22.16 | pbrunier | SkArFaCe, yep |
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| 06:22.29 | SkArFaCe | should i just try realplayer |
| 06:22.32 | SkArFaCe | ? |
| 06:22.37 | pbrunier | SkArFaCe, NO !!! |
| 06:22.41 | noiesmo | HermanDE, will have a look have ptpcam installed |
| 06:22.42 | SkArFaCe | no? |
| 06:22.47 | Stevie | haha! /msg apt usb |
| 06:23.06 | pbrunier | SkArFaCe: Use xine or mplayer |
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| 06:23.17 | SkArFaCe | dont those have to be compiled? |
| 06:23.21 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: Demudi is part of the AGNULA project.....AGNULA project is a volunteer based project aiming to spread Libre Software in the professional audio and video arena |
| 06:23.21 | SkArFaCe | for demudi |
| 06:23.23 | noiesmo | HermanDE, am install latest libgphoto see if helps to |
| 06:23.24 | rightcoast | mplayer, the truth and the light |
| 06:23.29 | Stevie | what's it gonna take to make this stupid machine recognize the usb keyboard I have attached? |
| 06:23.38 | pbrunier | SkArFaCe: mplayer and xine aren't hard too compile |
| 06:23.47 | SkArFaCe | i dont know any of that |
| 06:23.51 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: You have it already.. Go to the site... Read the docs... Learn how to point and click on video....players..... |
| 06:24.01 | pbrunier | SkArFaCe: Just give it a try. |
| 06:24.01 | SkArFaCe | ok. |
| 06:24.18 | pbrunier | SkArFaCe: I thought mplayer had a nice howto |
| 06:24.28 | SkArFaCe | the reason i got linux its because it was free |
| 06:24.29 | rightcoast | SkArFaCe, follow the step in the princessleia link, its step by step |
| 06:24.37 | rightcoast | ive seen it before |
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| 06:25.01 | pbrunier | SkArFaCe: What distro do you use ? |
| 06:25.08 | SkArFaCe | agnula demudi |
| 06:25.12 | HermanDE | Folks... He is running a distro without a good development enviorment.... |
| 06:25.16 | rightcoast | ohh |
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| 06:25.42 | worthy | im back and i got this error when i tried to start gdm: Not starting GNOME Display Manager (gdm); it is not the default display manager. |
| 06:25.44 | HermanDE | DEMUDI is not designed to be compilied with... It is designed for plug/play/shoot... |
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| 06:25.55 | pbrunier | SkArFaCe: It is Debian compatible.....euuhmm APT equipped ? |
| 06:25.59 | worthy | how do i make it the default display manager |
| 06:26.06 | SkArFaCe | yea i guess |
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| 06:26.19 | HermanDE | pbrunier: Yes... But APT needs to point to a proper Debian source... |
| 06:26.23 | jm_ | worthy: dpkg-reconfigure gdm - does it ask you about it? |
| 06:26.38 | worthy | no, but i'll try that |
| 06:26.41 | HermanDE | pbrunier: It will draw binaries from the demudi site only unless changed.... |
| 06:26.42 | worthy | im 2 days new |
| 06:27.05 | pbrunier | SkArFaCe: Can't you try getting Debian debs of xine to work ? |
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| 06:27.19 | SkArFaCe | i probably can |
| 06:27.24 | SkArFaCe | i have before |
| 06:27.28 | HermanDE | pbrunier: He is running a mix of stable+sid+unstable.... |
| 06:27.39 | pbrunier | HermanDE: ok |
| 06:27.42 | ootput | hi guys, how large are your /var/cache/apt/archives directories?? |
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| 06:27.47 | nkuttler | !demudi |
| 06:27.48 | dpkg | somebody said demudi was Debian Multimedia Distribution, a distro optimized for audio and multimedia work, based on Debian. DeMuDi is available at http://www.agnula.org/ |
| 06:27.56 | pbrunier | SkArFaCe: just download the debs don't fetch them with APT |
| 06:27.57 | nkuttler | i bet that has some video players. |
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| 06:28.55 | pbrunier | nkuttler: If I look at the application list it is really short |
| 06:28.56 | Stevie | hrm |
| 06:28.58 | gb | pbrunier: whats the point of APT if you manually fetch debs? |
| 06:29.06 | Stevie | 2.6.9's usb stuff ain't werking |
| 06:29.09 | beardy | ootput: Does it matter? Clean yours if you find it too big. |
| 06:29.20 | ludi | anyone use gnome? how would I add this to my panel: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1 /usr/local/games/armyops/armyops |
| 06:29.26 | ootput | beardy: i'm trying to allocate space to a separate partition |
| 06:29.30 | HermanDE | nkuttler: It has the top 4 video players including vlc, xine, mplayer and another that tosses my mind.... |
| 06:29.43 | beardy | ootput: man apt-get, search "clean" |
| 06:29.45 | ootput | beardy: it matters to me |
| 06:29.46 | Stevie | is APT like apt? ;) </obligatory-case-sensitivity-joke> |
| 06:29.48 | gb | ludi: try not too,its almost as bloated as kde :) |
| 06:29.53 | ootput | beardy: and yes, i'm aware of that |
| 06:29.57 | ootput | beardy: thanks though |
| 06:30.02 | pbrunier | gb: If you are unsure what the effects will be. Mixing Debian apt repositories in another distro can be a pain in the ass afterwards. |
| 06:30.02 | SkArFaCe | hermanDE: so ur sayin to read some docs...which ones |
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| 06:30.12 | worthy | MANNNNNNNN YOU GUYS ROCKS!!!! |
| 06:30.22 | Azar | boulders |
| 06:30.31 | HermanDE | nkuttler: People are suggesting to him to modify his distro to bring video players into it.... Good source for trouble.... |
| 06:30.36 | nkuttler | !tell SkArFaCe about fundamentals |
| 06:30.39 | beardy | ootput: Well, it is different for everybody, downloaded packages are kept there, and if you don't clean it, it grows. |
| 06:30.40 | gb | pbrunier: simple don't mix em |
| 06:30.44 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: keep in mind that you are _not_ running debian |
| 06:30.47 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: Do you have a graphic interface? |
| 06:30.52 | SkArFaCe | i know |
| 06:30.58 | SkArFaCe | gnome? |
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| 06:31.04 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: ask the people in #demudi what to do. we can't really help you. |
| 06:31.14 | pbrunier | gb: Yes that should be the starting point. |
| 06:31.15 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: Did you click on the video button yet? |
| 06:31.17 | Azar | openbox easy breezy beautiful |
| 06:31.18 | SkArFaCe | i did no one is in there |
| 06:31.40 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: Ok... Then open up a terminal and type in "gmplayer" |
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| 06:32.37 | pbrunier | SkArFaCe: Why did you choose that distro ? |
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| 06:32.41 | HermanDE | Me thinks he found something..... |
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| 06:33.14 | ludi | how would I add this to my panel: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1 /usr/local/games/armyops/armyops |
| 06:33.29 | Stevie | aha! |
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| 06:33.36 | Stevie | my 2.6 kernel config is missing a module |
| 06:33.37 | Azar | ludi ask the gnome people |
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| 06:33.54 | SkArFaCe | really, i just wanted to get rid of windows after i did the sp2 update and i was to reactivate. so i ask3d which is a good distro and i was told agnula demudi was one |
| 06:33.55 | GPLGeek | Finally got amd64 debian working well on my nforce4. 2.6.12 custom installer |
| 06:33.57 | Azar | Stevie, do a modconf and pick your module there |
| 06:33.57 | SkArFaCe | so i downloaded it |
| 06:34.00 | SkArFaCe | :-| |
| 06:34.10 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: you should install debian, then we could help you |
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| 06:34.21 | Stevie | Azar: what? |
| 06:34.28 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: demudi is designed for video/audio editing... It is not a general purpose distro..... |
| 06:34.33 | Azar | Stevie, the module |
| 06:34.44 | pbrunier | SkArFaCe: Debian has a large userbase. |
| 06:34.56 | noiesmo | HermanDE, interesting was just able to list photos on cam then when tried ptpcam -G it errored out hmmm but reset cam and then ptpcam -G and hey i got the pics |
| 06:34.56 | ohad | in some places when i use flash in firefox, the fonts of the fields are super tiny. what fonts am i missing |
| 06:34.57 | ohad | ? |
| 06:35.02 | HermanDE | GPLGeek: Congrats.... |
| 06:35.07 | Stevie | i have no idea what this 'modconf' is, but I don't have anything even close to that on my system |
| 06:35.21 | Stevie | unless you're referring to something under /usr/share/vim |
| 06:35.25 | Azar | Stevie in root type modconf at command line |
| 06:35.27 | GPLGeek | SkArFaCe, debian is superior in the sense that there is a ton of support for it and tons of applications and for most people and most systems it "just works" but there is no one right distro for everyone obviously. |
| 06:35.30 | HermanDE | noiesmo: I'll bet that within the next 6 months, the error will go away..... |
| 06:35.31 | SkArFaCe | ok but see what i did was i installed demudi as my only OS and now i dont wouldnt even know how to burn an ISO with my cd drive |
| 06:35.35 | nkuttler | Stevie: apt-cache show modconf |
| 06:35.53 | Stevie | oh |
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| 06:36.05 | Stevie | well I would need to have such a module compiled and installed in order for it to work ;) |
| 06:36.07 | ludi | what's the thing you put at the top of a script file |
| 06:36.13 | ludi | like !/bin/bash or something |
| 06:36.13 | Stevie | shebang line |
| 06:36.22 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: Time to learn... :) |
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| 06:36.29 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: get a shell. type apt-cache search cd burn, pick one, apt-get install foo, burn debian install cd |
| 06:36.30 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: Did the gmplayer command work? |
| 06:36.30 | noiesmo | HermanDE, so will the camera its a mates hehe, wonder if its because its on batteries only or some issue with driver |
| 06:36.33 | SkArFaCe | yea, you telling me |
| 06:36.39 | GPLGeek | #!/bin/bash |
| 06:36.43 | SkArFaCe | nope |
| 06:36.45 | Azar | Stevie, modconf presents you a list will all module you wish to load, it might after you upgraded the kernel that some modules were ignored |
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| 06:37.03 | Stevie | Azar: I built a custom kernel. I left a necessary module out of the list. |
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| 06:37.11 | Stevie | The module I need to load does not exist |
| 06:37.16 | Stevie | but it will shortly. |
| 06:37.20 | SkArFaCe | all the players i have seem to be for music |
| 06:37.23 | SkArFaCe | none for video |
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| 06:37.28 | HermanDE | noiesmo: I call it being ahead of the curve. Things work... basicly... In about 6 or 8 months things will work better..... |
| 06:37.30 | Azar | Stevie, ah the pains of custom kernels.. |
| 06:37.42 | dbw | hm |
| 06:37.44 | SkArFaCe | like alsaplayer, somaplayer |
| 06:37.46 | noiesmo | HermanDE, nice |
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| 06:37.51 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: install debian or go to #demudi... please |
| 06:37.53 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: Then you just didn't install the video players..... |
| 06:38.03 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: Do you know what a root account is? |
| 06:38.04 | dbw | yeah |
| 06:38.05 | Stevie | Azar: But on the plus side, I can apply any patches I want to help me do my tivo hacking :) |
| 06:38.06 | SkArFaCe | yes |
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| 06:38.10 | Azar | Stevie, thats Debian: rules to be followed |
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| 06:38.21 | Stevie | rules were made to be broken |
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| 06:38.30 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: then get root access and type in apt-get install gxine gmplayer |
| 06:38.33 | Stevie | slide rules were made to do logarithms |
| 06:38.39 | ohad | anyone ? |
| 06:38.40 | Azar | Stevie :) Debian has a very elegant way to punish the rebels |
| 06:38.43 | Stevie | and slides were made to push people down |
| 06:38.49 | ohad | any windows fonts plg out there? |
| 06:38.59 | nkuttler | plg? |
| 06:39.01 | HermanDE | Stevie: But they break well over neighbors dogs..... |
| 06:39.02 | beardy | plg? |
| 06:39.14 | Stevie | I thought I understood that statement until I got to 'plg' and got a syntax/parse error |
| 06:39.17 | SkArFaCe | it couldnt find gxine package |
| 06:39.29 | noiesmo | ohad, yes on your windows install lol |
| 06:39.31 | Stevie | apt-get update |
| 06:39.48 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: Go to the angula website and read the documentation about your distro..... |
| 06:39.57 | Azar | Stevie, you never heard of aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 06:40.18 | SkArFaCe | so then its not safe for me to download realplayer? |
| 06:40.22 | Stevie | dist-upgrade makes me nervous. |
| 06:40.22 | beardy | If he hasn't, he doesn't need to know, unless he's running woody. |
| 06:40.30 | GPLGeek | SkArFaCe, in my debian the video "just works". I would strongly suggest switching to debian or going to the appropriate channel because these people do not have problems with their video like you do. at least not exactly. |
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| 06:40.44 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: Not without reading the documentation.... The fact that you have root access has me scared.... |
| 06:40.44 | Azar | Stevie, it might sometimes help by fixing the holes you pouched in |
| 06:40.57 | SkArFaCe | nobody is in demudo |
| 06:40.58 | pbrunier | SkArFaCe: Realplayer isn't "free" |
| 06:41.02 | Stevie | right now the only problem I have is a missing module and I'm building that one right now |
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| 06:41.13 | Stevie | Realplayer is "free" as in "for 5 bucks" |
| 06:41.15 | SkArFaCe | you can make it free |
| 06:41.17 | neoxan | Can't locate LWP/Simple.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at lol.pl line 2. |
| 06:41.25 | neoxan | does anyone know what package i have to install? |
| 06:41.31 | dondelelcaro | neoxan: install libwww-perl |
| 06:41.32 | beardy | !free |
| 06:41.32 | dpkg | free is probably defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 06:41.33 | Stevie | I thought LWP::Simple was core in 5.8.4 |
| 06:41.58 | dondelelcaro | Stevie: it's not. |
| 06:42.00 | SkArFaCe | okay where can i download the debian distro |
| 06:42.01 | pbrunier | Stevie: Realplayer doesn't match certain philiosophies |
| 06:42.03 | SkArFaCe | last thing |
| 06:42.06 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: debian.org |
| 06:42.06 | neoxan | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 06:42.07 | ohad | no, seriously, what fonts do i need to install in order to view the fonts in flash on firefox? |
| 06:42.08 | pbrunier | -i |
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| 06:42.18 | beardy | !d-i SkArFaCe |
| 06:42.18 | dpkg | SkArFaCe, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 06:42.27 | dondelelcaro | !tell neoxan -about search |
| 06:42.27 | GPLGeek | SkArFaCe, I would highly reccomend a net-install |
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| 06:42.39 | SkArFaCe | net install the debian distro? |
| 06:42.45 | Stevie | pbrunier: As I said... Realplayer is "free" as in "I'll give you this free crappy media player for just 5 bucks" |
| 06:42.46 | pbrunier | yep |
| 06:42.48 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: yes |
| 06:42.53 | SkArFaCe | okay |
| 06:42.54 | dondelelcaro | neoxan: in the future, you can use what dpkg told you to find it for yourself. In this case, /msg dpkg find LWP/Simple.pm; would have given you the answer. |
| 06:43.03 | GPLGeek | SkArFaCe, that way you can only download the 180mb net install cd and not the full number of cds |
| 06:43.06 | neoxan | ok |
| 06:43.08 | SkArFaCe | im guessing i can partion it |
| 06:43.12 | Azar | I finally finished writing my way of installing Debian :) |
| 06:43.13 | pbrunier | Stevie: You don't get it |
| 06:43.13 | beardy | Stevie: Then it's not free, in any meaning, simple as that. |
| 06:43.24 | GPLGeek | SkArFaCe, the net install cd has a partition tool |
| 06:43.38 | Stevie | It seems that I'm not laying the sarcasm on thick enough |
| 06:43.48 | FarrisG | This is very odd. My "openpty" problem with ssh is supposedly only associated with upgrading some packages, but no packages have been updated on this box for weeks, and ssh has been working just fine until today |
| 06:44.06 | Stevie | what's the "openpty" problem you're experiencing? |
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| 06:44.53 | SkArFaCe | glpgeek...i should click on the network install |
| 06:45.02 | pbrunier | SkArFaCe: grrrrrrrrr |
| 06:45.11 | ludi | how do I load up that screen from the debian install that lets me place an "x" next to the items I want to install (like desktop, printing, file server) |
| 06:45.17 | SkArFaCe | what |
| 06:45.22 | beardy | pbrunier: At least he's going in the right direction. |
| 06:45.23 | GPLGeek | SkArFaCe, you probably want the i386 one |
| 06:45.48 | GPLGeek | SkArFaCe, once you have downloaded that burn it onto a cd and reboot with it in your drive. The installer is stupidly simple. |
| 06:45.53 | pbrunier | beardy: True |
| 06:45.56 | ohad | what fonts do i need to install in order to view the fonts in flash on firefox? |
| 06:46.01 | beardy | !ig SkArFaCe |
| 06:46.06 | beardy | !ig |
| 06:46.07 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 06:46.19 | Stevie | I want a PIC12 port of Debian. |
| 06:46.32 | beardy | SkArFaCe: What dpkg said was for you. |
| 06:46.37 | ludi | how do I load up that screen from the debian install that lets me place an "x" next to the items I want to install (like desktop, printing, file server) |
| 06:46.45 | GPLGeek | GPLGeek, im actually off to go install debian on a friend's machine. Hes got that new windows viruses you get from looking at images lol.... thats funny. That and everyone's windows update making them reactivate. |
| 06:46.47 | neuterspay | Anybody know of a good program for playing .pls (video streams)? |
| 06:47.04 | Stevie | ludi: That sounds like 'tasksel' to me. |
| 06:47.05 | GPLGeek | So like 15 people are switching to linux and I thought I'd be a good sport and help them |
| 06:47.13 | beardy | neuterspay: mplayer, /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 06:47.24 | neuterspay | Alright, thank. |
| 06:47.31 | neoxan | thanks guys! |
| 06:47.38 | ludi | Stevie: tasksel: aptitude failed |
| 06:48.00 | SkArFaCe | GPLGEEK thats why i switched to linux |
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| 06:48.03 | ludi | W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 06:48.03 | ludi | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 06:48.08 | ludi | what's that about? |
| 06:48.11 | beardy | ludi: Look at the task, and install the packages yourself instead then. |
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| 06:48.22 | SkArFaCe | which was a bad idea...only because of the fact that i didnt read enough about it |
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| 06:48.46 | Flimzy | I have a wireless access point running unencrypted... what info do I need to give to the Linux client so it can successfully connect to the AP now? |
| 06:48.54 | ludi | beardy: how do I know what packages are part of the task? |
| 06:48.54 | GPLGeek | SkArFaCe, windows is just bad news these days. everyone says its easy because of the fear of the unknown, but once you know linux you can not get enough of it. If you have to be on windows workstations like me at times you find yourself installing cygwin ROFL |
| 06:48.59 | GPLGeek | or vmware player |
| 06:49.03 | beardy | SkArFaCe: It's never too late to start reading. |
| 06:49.07 | nkuttler | Flimzy: try man iwconfig |
| 06:49.10 | beardy | !tell SkArFaCe about grounding |
| 06:49.12 | GPLGeek | damnsmallinux is my friend on the go |
| 06:49.23 | Flimzy | nkuttler, Yup... that's exactly what I've bbeen doing |
| 06:49.31 | ohad | what fonts do i need to install in order to view the fonts in flash on firefox? |
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| 06:50.02 | chris | i am nothing. i am you. [nOthing v0.051] |
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| 06:50.14 | beardy | quitting helps.. |
| 06:50.19 | nkuttler | Flimzy: you probably want to tell it essid and key |
| 06:50.32 | atrus | okay, what the hell is wrong with the world when i'm about to return my new motherboard & cpu, because i found out that while linux works great, the windows install cd refuses to boot? |
| 06:50.32 | Flimzy | nkuttler: There is no key if not using encryption tho, right? |
| 06:50.39 | nkuttler | Flimzy: heh :) |
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| 06:50.53 | Azar | for the Debian linux beginner there is required to learn three things: APT, one console editor of choice, and Filesystems manipulation. Then you can go install Debian |
| 06:50.55 | Flimzy | nkuttler: I figured I'd start simple.. then add encryption later |
| 06:51.00 | nkuttler | Flimzy: i guess no, but i've never done an unencrypted net |
| 06:51.15 | thunder000 | hello.. what's the name of debian package for configuring networking ?? |
| 06:51.26 | Flimzy | I tried setting the channel, and various other things, too |
| 06:51.30 | Flimzy | but can't seem to get connected :/ |
| 06:51.43 | HermanDE | thunder000: Have you tried to just edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:52.04 | Azar | thunder000, there is no package for that you use an editor of your choice and access /etc/network/interfaces and the DNS file wherever that be I forgot |
| 06:52.30 | nkuttler | thunder000: there's something called etherconf, but you really want to read man 5 interfaces |
| 06:52.33 | tengulre11 | HI,ALL!!! HOW NICE DAY! |
| 06:52.42 | SkArFaCe | can someone post that link so i can read how to work the debian i386 network install |
| 06:52.45 | SkArFaCe | :-D |
| 06:53.20 | thunder000 | When i change the DNS in /etc/resolv.conf, after few seconds, it goes back to its original settings automatically. |
| 06:53.23 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: um, you were told 3 times... /msg dpkg ig |
| 06:53.42 | Azar | thunder000, you need to stop/restart in order to take effect |
| 06:53.42 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: Start by going to http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 06:53.59 | Azar | ifup ifdown something like that |
| 06:54.03 | HermanDE | tengulre11: the day is blue... |
| 06:54.03 | Ostehovel | Bye akk |
| 06:54.05 | Ostehovel | *all |
| 06:54.08 | Ostehovel | going to school |
| 06:54.28 | HermanDE | thunder000: Or try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 06:54.31 | FarrisG | Stevie: When I try to login via ssh, the session freezes, and the autlog says "openpty: no such file or directory" |
| 06:54.36 | thunder000 | ok |
| 06:54.57 | HermanDE | thunder000: Are you trying to setup a static or dhcp network? |
| 06:54.59 | noiesmo | !fish |
| 06:54.59 | dpkg | i heard fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fish.html |
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| 06:56.04 | Guerin | !fixresolvconf |
| 06:56.05 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself, or to edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 06:56.13 | Guerin | thunder000: ^^^ |
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| 06:56.25 | apprentice | does anyone know any esoteric irc network |
| 06:56.46 | Guerin | apprentice: wtf? |
| 06:57.17 | HermanDE | apprentice: Are you talking about erotic? |
| 06:57.19 | ohad | what fonts do i need to install in order to view the fonts in flash on firefox? |
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| 06:57.23 | apprentice | lol. esoteric |
| 06:57.25 | thunder000 | thanks |
| 06:57.40 | pbrunier | apprentice: A channel #esoteric |
| 06:57.51 | apprentice | lol. no |
| 06:57.55 | apprentice | the occut |
| 06:57.56 | apprentice | occult |
| 06:58.01 | nkuttler | apprentice: hm, do you know what debian is? |
| 06:58.04 | Guerin | ohad: ask macromedia |
| 06:58.04 | HermanDE | apprentice: Boo... |
| 06:58.05 | apprentice | yes |
| 06:58.28 | Guerin | apprentice: irc.pretentious-wankers.org |
| 06:58.30 | nkuttler | apprentice: that should give you a clue how far OT you are... |
| 06:59.47 | apprentice | herman r u german |
| 06:59.55 | HermanDE | I guess that's why he is an apprentice... Searching for esoteric erotic occult on the debian channel.... |
| 07:00.01 | Guerin | HermanDE: heh |
| 07:00.01 | TwistedLappy | What file does fluxbox look at as far as starting programs durring boot? |
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| 07:00.10 | ohad | in some places when i use flash in firefox, the fonts of the fields are super tiny. what fonts am i missing? |
| 07:00.19 | Guerin | TwistedLappy: #fluxbox |
| 07:00.34 | nkuttler | TwistedLappy: fluxbox.sf.net even, it's documented |
| 07:00.36 | Guerin | ohad: ask macromedia, ffs |
| 07:00.39 | Gadis_penggoda | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.54 | HermanDE | ohad: MacroMedia is broken.. Live with it... |
| 07:00.59 | Guerin | ohad: crapromedia is not supportable in #debian |
| 07:01.14 | HermanDE | ohad: And will not be properly supported under anything but windows..... |
| 07:01.18 | loxley_ | TwistedLappy: depends, you can have it start in .xsession, or use the init file to point to a startup file |
| 07:01.21 | ohad | i have downloaded some fonts in the past that helped me view those fonts in a normal size |
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| 07:01.37 | Guerin | ohad: let me be clear: WE DO NOT GIVE A FUCK |
| 07:01.43 | Guerin | ohad: YOU ARE OFFTOPIC |
| 07:01.45 | ohad | this is a new machine. i don't remember the name of that pkg...\ |
| 07:01.59 | HermanDE | ohad: Most linux users can not use macromedia flash..... So who cares? |
| 07:02.02 | noiesmo | Guerin, hehehe |
| 07:02.33 | ohad | Guerin, ok. clear you are. and also abnoctious |
| 07:02.38 | ohad | good luck |
| 07:02.57 | Azar | aw Guerin is upset tonight |
| 07:03.10 | nkuttler | is he? |
| 07:03.13 | HermanDE | We need a good spell check/harrassment script.... |
| 07:03.30 | TwistedLappy | Haha... Guerin is always like that... thats why we love him ;) |
| 07:03.30 | Guerin | ohad: obnoxious. Only to people who repeatedly demonstrate idiocy. |
| 07:03.48 | loxley_ | ask that dude who logged the channel some weeks ago... for that HermanDE :) |
| 07:03.57 | ohad | Guerin, eeww. stop projecting. |
| 07:04.04 | Azar | TwistedLappy, why would you like fluxbox? I am running openbox and I find it supernice |
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| 07:04.18 | Guerin | ohad: Projecting? Is this #psychobabble now? |
| 07:04.19 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:04.29 | HermanDE | loxley_: Do you have an IRC script? |
| 07:04.44 | TwistedLappy | Azar, per habbit I suppose... I started with it.. plus they are soo damn similar its crazy ;) |
| 07:05.06 | loxley_ | HermanDE: nah, i was thinking of the fellow who was logging all bad words... can't remember his name right now |
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| 07:05.11 | Azar | ok I have a question for Guerin, serious now: I installed Debian Sarge on a box for a friend, I used my DSL connection because he is on dialup, how can he change the settings to accomodate his connection now? |
| 07:05.37 | noiesmo | Azar, internal or external modem |
| 07:05.40 | loxley_ | HermanDE: kingsley! thats it |
| 07:05.44 | Azar | ...I never used dialup |
| 07:05.49 | Azar | noiesmo, internal |
| 07:05.50 | HermanDE | Azar: pppconfig.... |
| 07:05.56 | Guerin | apprentice: depends how he connects. |
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| 07:06.08 | Azar | thanks HermanDE :) |
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| 07:07.55 | noiesmo | HermanDE, isnt there driver issues with some internal modems ie convexant chips |
| 07:08.37 | noiesmo | Azar, if conexant chipsets http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/ |
| 07:09.11 | HermanDE | noiesmo: Yep... Unless you have that magical 20.00 burning a hole in your pocked for some broken drivers..... |
| 07:09.41 | noiesmo | HermanDE, though so glad i got dsl |
| 07:10.00 | thunder000 | it seems that my ethernet is trying to get network information from a DHCP, but I want to set up a static IP |
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| 07:10.16 | marc_in_lux | good morning |
| 07:10.40 | HermanDE | noiesmo: Yep.... But the really nice Hayes 56K modems can be found at goodwill for less than $5.00..... |
| 07:10.57 | marc_in_lux | I added a sata drive to my box after installing debian |
| 07:10.57 | thunder000 | how can I make my ethernet stop getting information from DHCP ? |
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| 07:11.20 | Azar | noiesmo all I know about the modem: 56K V.92 PCI Modem |
| 07:11.23 | HermanDE | noiesmo: I actually did a bit of dumpster diving at goodwill for a few clients who had the "NEWEST PCI SOFTMODEMS" on the market... |
| 07:11.26 | blondie | thunder000: man interfaces |
| 07:11.40 | marc_in_lux | and it seems to load the sata module only after trying to mount things. so it fails during mounting and gets stuck on reboots |
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| 07:11.44 | ootput | hi guys, i recently got rid of an lvm2 configuration on my system. how do i prevent bootup spewing error messages about the missing vm? |
| 07:11.44 | Azar | noiesmo the chipset is a VIA |
| 07:11.47 | HermanDE | noiesmo: they blew up after a few weeks....I sold the hayes for $30.00 a piece.... |
| 07:11.57 | noiesmo | HermanDE, nice |
| 07:12.03 | marc_in_lux | what can I do to make the module load before? |
| 07:12.23 | Guerin | thunder000: man interfaces |
| 07:12.28 | HermanDE | Azar: Is this a new machine? |
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| 07:12.49 | noiesmo | Azar, k good luck |
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| 07:13.16 | Azar | HermanDE, yes: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/configdetails.asp?Base=1273376&Edit=Y&LineGroup=2 |
| 07:13.17 | noiesmo | HermanDE, good work did u have to refund |
| 07:13.18 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:13.32 | Coke | dimir: no please. :[ |
| 07:14.06 | Azar | I am glad it was the best hardware choices for a Debian Sarge, the only thing was the SATA enabled in BIOS, but I disabled it and it went ok |
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| 07:14.53 | HermanDE | noiesmo: What refund? They purchased cheap machines with silly pci soft modems.... Boxes with 180 day warrenties..... |
| 07:15.18 | Coke | HermanDE: I pressume you're not in the EU then? |
| 07:15.19 | HermanDE | noiesmo: I offered my modems with a full 1 year warrenty.... I know good will has a pile of these things... :) |
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| 07:15.45 | noiesmo | HermanDE, sweet |
| 07:15.53 | HermanDE | Coke: I'm not in a church.... Eclastical Union... Baaaa... |
| 07:15.57 | exobyte | does sh support this in a script? foreach x ( `ls` ) |
| 07:16.17 | Coke | HermanDE: whaaa? The European Union |
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| 07:17.00 | HermanDE | Coke: You mean there is a church union in Europe? |
| 07:17.33 | dimir | :-P |
| 07:17.42 | Coke | HermanDE: No, I'm speaking about the fraud bullshit european politicians put together so that they can opress the people and manipulate the market, DUUUH UHH! :) |
| 07:17.42 | HermanDE | Coke: What happens when the religious leaders go on strike? |
| 07:18.07 | Azar | I had no idea about 3D rendering enabled until I got into some games |
| 07:18.11 | nkuttler | exobyte: for a in foo bar; do foo $a; done |
| 07:18.13 | HermanDE | Coke... We don't talk about windows here.... |
| 07:18.21 | Azar | I was almost to change my video card |
| 07:18.34 | Coke | either way, manufacturers are legally obliged to provide a one year warranty minimum on any electronics. |
| 07:18.57 | Coke | here. |
| 07:19.00 | ootput | which is good |
| 07:19.16 | HermanDE | Coke... The the factory goes out of business or changes names after 6 months..... |
| 07:19.17 | Azar | but then I thought: epiphany is working harder on graphics and it actually works why penguin command would not? |
| 07:19.32 | HermanDE | Azar: Was the USR modem selected on that machine? |
| 07:19.58 | Coke | HermanDE: changing name does not help, nor does going out of business. |
| 07:20.01 | Azar | HermanDE, no the one above since no fax modem is needed |
| 07:20.16 | Gumby | lo all. I suspended to disk (swap partition) and then when I restarted I booted from a livecd to test something out. Now that I have again rebooted and resumed from the suspend image, my / partition can not be written to. Is there a way to remount without rebooting? |
| 07:20.17 | HermanDE | Coke... So when a business folds, the warrenty still holds... Yes, suing non-existant companies for crap hardware.... :) |
| 07:20.19 | ootput | is there a way to get firefox 1.5 on etch? |
| 07:20.35 | Guerin | ootput: getfirefox.com |
| 07:20.42 | Coke | HermanDE: the legal responsibilities of the company is on the executive members. |
| 07:20.42 | Guerin | ootput: come on, it;'s not rocket science |
| 07:20.53 | Coke | HermanDE: sorry, not executive, the board. |
| 07:21.12 | ootput | Guerin: heh, right. i was thinking that it wasn't advisable. |
| 07:21.16 | Coke | HermanDE: unless they too choose to apply for personal bancrupcy, ofcourse. |
| 07:21.25 | HermanDE | Coke: I'll bet the executives of most companies who create crap hardware does not have to follow EU rules...... |
| 07:21.26 | Coke | but that would leave them pennyless, not a very smart strategy. |
| 07:21.38 | Coke | HermanDE: they have to and they do. rather well even. |
| 07:21.44 | HermanDE | Coke: Unless the EU extended to Tiawan, India and China..... |
| 07:21.51 | Guerin | ootput: it's more advisable to use an official mozilla.org backport than to use something from sid |
| 07:21.56 | Coke | HermanDE: all imported goods comes with that warranty |
| 07:22.01 | Guerin | err, s/backport/package/ |
| 07:22.07 | HermanDE | Coke: That's just funny.... :) |
| 07:22.24 | Coke | HermanDE: and useful. |
| 07:22.36 | HermanDE | Coke: So, If I sold you some hardware... But only gave you a 10 day warrenty, the EU would chase me down? |
| 07:22.50 | Coke | HermanDE: no, it's the producer/vendor |
| 07:22.51 | HermanDE | Coke: That is just too rich.... |
| 07:22.52 | noiesmo | HermanDE, yep lol |
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| 07:23.12 | Coke | HermanDE: and the EU does not have to do anything, the store in which you bought it will have to take care of it. |
| 07:23.17 | HermanDE | Now I have another joke about the EU........ |
| 07:23.26 | ootput | Guerin: cool |
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| 07:23.56 | HermanDE | Azar: It smells like a conxant... you may have to do an lspci just to verify.... |
| 07:24.10 | Coke | HermanDE: if you buy a product abroad and bring it in to the EU it is not an imported product by EU standards and therefore you're on your own. |
| 07:24.16 | HermanDE | Azar: If it is, then you may have to augment the modem with something else..... |
| 07:24.55 | HermanDE | Coke: If a store buys a product abroad and brings it in... Then is it covered? |
| 07:25.10 | HermanDE | Coke: How does cheap hardware land over there? By stork? |
| 07:25.14 | Coke | HermanDE: if it is a transaction legally sanction by EU, which all legitimate business is. |
| 07:25.28 | Coke | HermanDE: no, import. |
| 07:25.28 | Coke | are you retarded or very very young? |
| 07:25.49 | HermanDE | Coke: I must be retarded......:) This is just too much fun.... |
| 07:25.58 | SkArFaCe | can anyone help using a app called k3b |
| 07:26.10 | noiesmo | Well if I sell you something and it breaks its USER ERROR |
| 07:26.28 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: not if you don't tell us about the problem |
| 07:26.49 | HermanDE | I've worked production and development here..... |
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| 07:27.05 | SkArFaCe | well i want to burn a dvd iso cd but there no burning devices to select from |
| 07:27.18 | HermanDE | If the government required a warrenty on all of our products, we would have moved to a different country..... |
| 07:27.23 | SkArFaCe | i want to burn the debian iso pretty much |
| 07:27.24 | HermanDE | Simple as that.... |
| 07:27.27 | Coke | HermanDE: they do. |
| 07:27.57 | Coke | HermanDE: it is, however, the local distributors responsibility. |
| 07:27.59 | HermanDE | Coke: From somebody on the outside... I think that is flat stupid...... |
| 07:28.11 | Coke | HermanDE: outside? well, I don't know if you sell things in the EU or not. |
| 07:28.27 | Coke | but if you have an EU-based company that sells electronics you have that responsibility. |
| 07:28.38 | HermanDE | Back in the early 90's we exported quite a bit to France and Italy..... |
| 07:28.46 | Beleys | Re |
| 07:28.47 | Coke | the early 90's != EU |
| 07:28.47 | SerajewelKS | !2006 key |
| 07:28.48 | dpkg | run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 07:28.59 | Coke | Also, these laws were passed in 2003 or something like that. |
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| 07:29.14 | HermanDE | Coke: I'll bet they don't last 10 years...... |
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| 07:29.31 | Azar | HermanDE, thanks we will see I just shipped the PC to my friend |
| 07:29.33 | HermanDE | Coke: Or will be watered down enough not to matter..... |
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| 07:29.44 | HermanDE | Azar: Good luck..... |
| 07:29.45 | Coke | HermanDE: you mean another ten years? |
| 07:30.01 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to fetch a key from a keyserver and export it directly to stdout without saving it in a keyring? |
| 07:30.05 | Azar | HermanDE, you mean conexant modems are hard to configure? |
| 07:30.09 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/DocumentsFaq#Hardwaresetup |
| 07:30.16 | HermanDE | Coke: If the laws were passed in 2003... Doesn't that mean that they have only lasted 3 years? |
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| 07:30.29 | blondie | what law is this? |
| 07:30.41 | Coke | HermanDE: I thought you meant the union. Oh, the laws will hold. Sweden, where I live, have had that law since at least 30 years. |
| 07:30.43 | HermanDE | Azar: Nope... The drivers cost about $30.00 and they only fit very specific kernels...... |
| 07:30.46 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: hm, can you mount cds? |
| 07:30.58 | noiesmo | Azar, if conexant chipsets http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/ |
| 07:30.59 | blondie | Coke: +ago |
| 07:31.01 | zuru | how to set kernel parameters thro' lilo.conf? i tried 'vga=791' and 'append vga-791'. still it does not appear in /proc/cmdline. |
| 07:31.13 | Azar | thanks noiesmo |
| 07:31.17 | Coke | HermanDE: all electronics must also be certified by the EU for legal sales in the EU. |
| 07:31.18 | noiesmo | Azar, np |
| 07:31.18 | SkArFaCe | nope |
| 07:31.40 | Coke | HermanDE: the "CE" mark on the products show that it is a product aproved by the EU and that means it has the warranty |
| 07:31.43 | HermanDE | Coke: Now it sounds like you live in dream land... |
| 07:31.46 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: does dmesg | grep -i cd show something |
| 07:32.05 | SkArFaCe | in terminal? |
| 07:32.10 | Coke | HermanDE: no, just a highly organized and controlled socialist society. what did you think, that the EU was a free market zone? |
| 07:32.13 | blondie | there's not a warranty per se, but products must be fit for purpose (working) up to 6 years |
| 07:32.14 | noiesmo | SkArFaCe, ls /proc/ide see whats there i have dvd burner and cd burner hdc and hdd |
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| 07:32.35 | HermanDE | Coke: Controlled... I get that.... |
| 07:32.47 | blondie | so if you bought a TV and it broke after a year, they'd have to replace/repair warranty or not |
| 07:32.59 | blondie | at least in the UK |
| 07:33.02 | Coke | HermanDE: if you think the control on electronics is high, ask agricultural industries what they think. there's a reason that rice from freaking china is as expensive as italian and/or US rice. |
| 07:33.17 | SkArFaCe | this is what i got :drivers hda hdb hdc hdd ide0 ide1 via |
| 07:33.35 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: try this one..... |
| 07:33.35 | JohnLenin | hi, could someone help me. i've got a dell laptop with a maestro3 soundcard that has worked fine in the past with debian. however i just installed deb on it now and it won't play any soun |
| 07:33.36 | smacnay | Do the Debian .deb kernels come with the scanner.o module? I am using 2.6.12-1-k7 with corresponding headers and see no 'scanner.ko' module |
| 07:33.43 | SkArFaCe | dont i have to link something |
| 07:33.43 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: cdrecord -scanbus |
| 07:33.50 | noiesmo | SkArFaCe, now cat /proc/ide/hdd/model and also hdc see what it says |
| 07:33.57 | JohnLenin | alsaconf detects the card, but aplay and amixer say no cards re available |
| 07:34.04 | JohnLenin | modules load fine |
| 07:34.04 | Coke | JohnLenin: unmute! |
| 07:34.18 | JohnLenin | Coke: i can't, it says there's no soundcards |
| 07:34.20 | Coke | JohnLenin: apt-get install aumix; aumix and check volume settings |
| 07:34.22 | noiesmo | JohnLenin, alsamixer |
| 07:34.24 | SkArFaCe | cdrecord scanbus |
| 07:34.24 | SkArFaCe | cdrecord: No write mode specified. |
| 07:34.24 | SkArFaCe | cdrecord: Asuming -tao mode. |
| 07:34.24 | SkArFaCe | cdrecord: Future versions of cdrecord may have different drive dependent defaults. |
| 07:34.24 | SkArFaCe | cdrecord: Continuing in 5 seconds... |
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| 07:34.33 | Coke | JohnLenin: aha. what chipset does your soundcard have? |
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| 07:34.39 | JohnLenin | Coke: maestro3 |
| 07:34.46 | JohnLenin | this has worked under linux before, and under debian |
| 07:34.51 | Coke | JohnLenin: do an lspci |
| 07:35.01 | nkuttler | JohnLenin: modprobe snd-maestro3 |
| 07:35.03 | JohnLenin | done that, it's there |
| 07:35.07 | JohnLenin | nkuttler: done that, no errors |
| 07:35.16 | JohnLenin | still no soundcards reported tho |
| 07:35.45 | HermanDE | oops.... SkArFaCe didn't put in the dash... :) |
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| 07:35.48 | noiesmo | JohnLenin, have u tried alsmixer |
| 07:35.53 | JohnLenin | yes |
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| 07:36.02 | noiesmo | and |
| 07:36.04 | Coke | JohnLenin: and you have a 2.6 kernel with alsa? |
| 07:36.04 | JohnLenin | "No such device" |
| 07:36.07 | JohnLenin | Coke: yes |
| 07:36.08 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe: you didn't put in the dash... :) |
| 07:36.15 | nkuttler | SkArFaCe: don't flood |
| 07:36.22 | kevix | JohnLenin: does 'cat /proc/asound/devices' show anything? |
| 07:36.27 | SkArFaCe | noiesmo, i did both and it showed both my drives |
| 07:36.36 | JohnLenin | kevix: yes |
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| 07:36.43 | Coke | JohnLenin: do you have an ~/.asoundrc file that may contain non-working conf? |
| 07:37.12 | kevix | JohnLenin: does 'cat /proc/asound/cards' show anything? |
| 07:37.15 | JohnLenin | Coke: no |
| 07:37.20 | JohnLenin | kevix: yes |
| 07:38.04 | Coke | JohnLenin: ok. :) my conclusion is that your soundcard is working and you have turned deaf. |
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| 07:38.28 | SkArFaCe | herman, i have to mount the cd drives in other to be able to burn and iso cd |
| 07:38.31 | SkArFaCe | ? |
| 07:38.42 | kevix | JohnLenin: what happends when you invoke 'alsamixer'? |
| 07:38.44 | loxley_ | SkArFaCe: no |
| 07:38.53 | JohnLenin | kevix: "No such device" |
| 07:39.50 | SkArFaCe | ? |
| 07:39.54 | Coke | JohnLenin: when you "grep playback /proc/asound/devices", what does it say? |
| 07:40.16 | JohnLenin | Coke: "16: Digital audio playback" |
| 07:40.25 | noiesmo | SkArFaCe, permissions issue not sure soz |
| 07:40.36 | Coke | JohnLenin: not a [0-0] or something like that before? |
| 07:40.47 | kevix | JohnLenin: what happends when you invoke '/usr/sbin/alsactl power'? |
| 07:40.59 | JohnLenin | Coke: after the 16:, yes |
| 07:41.09 | Coke | JohnLenin: what does it say? 0-0? |
| 07:41.10 | JohnLenin | kevix: No Soundcards found |
| 07:41.12 | JohnLenin | Coke: yes |
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| 07:41.37 | kevix | JohnLenin: did you run 'alsaconf'? |
| 07:41.44 | Coke | JohnLenin: try adding an alsa device option on your playback software, something in the lines of -d hw=0,0 or whatever your software parses. |
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| 07:41.56 | Coke | JohnLenin: that is, specifying the hardware for sure. |
| 07:41.59 | SerajewelKS | are dates in /var/log/auth.log in the local timezone, or UTC? |
| 07:42.03 | JohnLenin | kevix: yeah, and it found a maestro3 |
| 07:42.33 | Coke | I pressume the ALSA core drivers will load automatically when you load the snd-maestro3. |
| 07:42.51 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: it has always been local for me |
| 07:42.52 | JohnLenin | they *are* loaded |
| 07:42.55 | JohnLenin | everything is loaded |
| 07:43.08 | SerajewelKS | jm_: even if the hardware clock is set to UTC? |
| 07:43.18 | JohnLenin | right |
| 07:43.21 | JohnLenin | i gotta go |
| 07:43.21 | JohnLenin | bbl |
| 07:43.22 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: I have it set that way yes |
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| 07:43.27 | SerajewelKS | jm_: ok thanks |
| 07:43.49 | jm_ | gah looks like smartmontools doesn't work with SATA disks even with 2.6.15 |
| 07:43.52 | mushrooomprince | helllo #debian |
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| 07:44.06 | noiesmo | JohnLenin, does lsmod show your sound care (just tring to help) |
| 07:44.11 | noiesmo | card |
| 07:44.14 | Guerin | !alsa for morons |
| 07:44.15 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa for morons is 1) remove all sound-related kernel modules 2) run alsaconf 3) disable all sound servers 4) hope, or echo -e "snd-your-module" >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 07:44.21 | Coke | noiesmo: no, but it does show the correct driver loaded. |
| 07:44.36 | noiesmo | Coke, K |
| 07:44.38 | Coke | OH. It might be a conflicting OSS driver? |
| 07:44.41 | mushrooomprince | voltagex is a ninny |
| 07:44.42 | Guerin | unload OSS modules |
| 07:44.45 | Guerin | Coke: yeah. |
| 07:45.09 | Coke | I didn't think anybody would have both anyway, why would you? |
| 07:45.13 | JohnLenin | noiesmo: yes |
| 07:45.17 | Guerin | Coke: hotplug. |
| 07:45.26 | Coke | JohnLenin: have you removed any OSS drivers? |
| 07:45.41 | Coke | JohnLenin: or rather, unload any OSS drivers if loaded. |
| 07:45.42 | kevix | Guerin: IIRC, alsaconf remove sound drivers. |
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| 07:46.18 | Guerin | kevix: yeah. |
| 07:46.22 | Guerin | kevix: usually. |
| 07:46.32 | Coke | it's human-built software, don't trust it! |
| 07:48.17 | kevix | Coke: human-built as opposed to borg built? |
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| 07:53.17 | Greek-B0y | I want to install courierpassd on courier-imap but there is no package for it? |
| 07:53.22 | exobyte | openwrt iptables doesn't support --source-mac?! |
| 07:53.38 | Greek-B0y | do I have to install courier-imap by hand in order to enable support for courierpassd? |
| 07:53.46 | Guerin | Greek-B0y: do you mean courier-authdaemon? |
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| 07:58.29 | SerajewelKS | my exim server identifies itself to my smarthost, and on a Received line (for incoming mail) as "localhost.localdomain". i have set the name in the configlet, and in /etc/mailname, and restarted exim. how would i change this? |
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| 07:59.16 | smacnay | Is anyone getting gpg errors on updating Debian? Public key errors? |
| 07:59.42 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: /topic |
| 07:59.55 | neoxan | is this #ubuntu? |
| 07:59.58 | neoxan | :D |
| 08:00.04 | doleyb | smacnay: welcome to the Future! |
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| 08:00.30 | Greek-B0y | Guerin, in addition to courier-authdameon u also need courierpassd |
| 08:00.41 | JoelMax | hi i want know, if i use debian 64 bit can i install software 32 bit too? |
| 08:00.53 | neoxan | sure |
| 08:01.00 | JoelMax | how? |
| 08:01.11 | doleyb | JoelMax: its hard, it doesn't happen automagically |
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| 08:01.39 | zeballin3 | Is installing debian testing via net AND getting kde (not gnome) still a problem? Or is it fixed now (metapackage was broken awhile ago?) |
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| 08:02.06 | JoelMax | ? |
| 08:02.14 | michael__ | I need help -> http://geocities.com/mtecknology/errors.html |
| 08:02.21 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: the metapackage is likely to be broken until etch is released (at least based on what happened with sarge). why do you need the metapackage anyway? |
| 08:03.05 | Azar | I am not getting any errors on updating, ... I get nothing, no updates |
| 08:03.08 | zeballin3 | I figure it would be easer than kde-core. Doesn't the meta bring in lots of goodies like korganizer, kpilot, etc? |
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| 08:03.57 | zeballin3 | SerajewelKS: what exactly does a metapackage do, is probably the question I should ask as well. |
| 08:04.25 | Azar | I never seen kde or gnome, I mean never bothered to install them are they so good that people are looking to install them? |
| 08:04.34 | loxley_ | SerajewelKS: that's the hostname of your box its showing |
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| 08:04.59 | Ostehovel | Hi all :D |
| 08:05.10 | marx | :O |
| 08:05.15 | SerajewelKS | loxley_: except that that is not the hostname of my box |
| 08:05.37 | Ostehovel | it takes years to boot my linux.... :P first time now... in emulation... |
| 08:05.39 | michael__ | can ne1 help me? |
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| 08:05.44 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: the kde metapackage pulls in every package of the KDE distribution. all software, required and option, and is probably lots more than you need. |
| 08:05.45 | loxley_ | SerajewelKS: what does cat /etc/hostname give you then? |
| 08:05.47 | srsergio | morning srs |
| 08:05.58 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: just 'apt-get install kdebase' and then the apps you want |
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| 08:06.22 | SerajewelKS | loxley_: the hostname i assigned it, which is not localhost.localdomain |
| 08:06.28 | srsergio | Somebody could say me if there is a command status in Debian? |
| 08:06.39 | zeballin3 | SerajewelKS: I want them all :-) Will take a bit of time I guess. You say base. Not kde-core? |
| 08:06.49 | Azar | srsergio, what is a command status? |
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| 08:07.06 | SerajewelKS | srsergio: well, we're coming up on Far Point Station |
| 08:07.07 | srsergio | In a init script you have start, stop and status |
| 08:07.22 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: *shrug* i used kdebase |
| 08:07.28 | srsergio | In redhat there is a status command for status function in init script |
| 08:07.44 | srsergio | I would like to know if Debian has this kind of command |
| 08:07.47 | SerajewelKS | srsergio: what do you need to know the status of |
| 08:07.51 | Azar | srsergio, oh I see |
| 08:07.52 | srsergio | asterisk |
| 08:07.54 | zeballin3 | Far Point Station... was that first episode of NG? Or am I confused? |
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| 08:08.09 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: yes it was. he asked for the command status. |
| 08:08.15 | kevix | srsergio: I think you would use 'ps -A f' and just see if you spot the service? |
| 08:08.27 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 08:08.34 | zeballin3 | SerajewelKS: I still don't get the reference. But I remember the show!! |
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| 08:09.04 | smacnay | can anyone recommend a good hotplug package for configuring usn devices? I see "hotplug" listed. |
| 08:09.10 | smacnay | oops |
| 08:09.13 | smacnay | usb |
| 08:09.13 | ThomasAH | zeballin3: The station read the thoughts and wishes of its inhabitants |
| 08:09.20 | srsergio | Ohh thanks |
| 08:09.21 | Pascat | Hey... I'm lokoing for a program, and I dunno where to search for something like that: I'd like a tool to colour the php codes so I can read it better... cuz the code I'm trying to work with is kinda.... funky o.o Is there a program that'd help me with that? |
| 08:09.25 | srsergio | I try this |
| 08:09.41 | zeballin3 | ThomasAH: oh. I thought it was the one with the tar pit and the 'blob'. |
| 08:09.55 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: a "command" can be used as a synonym for a "mission" |
| 08:10.13 | Azar | smacnay I remember I have seen modules and hotplug when I ran modconf, if you refer to modules.. |
| 08:10.14 | zeballin3 | SerajewelKS: ok, I see. thanks. |
| 08:10.43 | kevix | Pascat: you are looking for a 'colorizer'? |
| 08:10.51 | Ostehovel | "ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx" Is 33Mhz System Bus slow? |
| 08:11.09 | Pascat | If that's to get the code coloured to differenciate the parts of it, yes |
| 08:11.40 | ThomasAH | zeballin3: No, Tasha Yar died in the tarpit blob episode, and she didn't die in the first episode :) |
| 08:11.42 | nkuttler | Pascat: syntax highlighter |
| 08:11.54 | kevix | smacnay: In unstable, udev has now incorperated hotplug into 'coldplug' IIUC |
| 08:12.03 | smacnay | Azar: I think I need to conveniently mount as usb filesystem and change its permissions so that 'user' can utilise the devices. |
| 08:12.05 | Pascat | nkuttler: That's the name of the program? |
| 08:12.21 | nkuttler | Pascat: no, but it's what you want |
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| 08:12.26 | smacnay | kevix: I am not sure of what the new udev is... |
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| 08:12.43 | Pascat | OK, I'll search for that... I'll see if I can find something in aptitude o.o |
| 08:12.57 | kevix | smacnay: doing feel bad, most people still dont x-) |
| 08:13.00 | jm_ | Pascat: any decent editor will do it for you, i.e. vim or emacs |
| 08:13.03 | SerajewelKS | Pascat: are we talking something for editing, or just reading? |
| 08:13.16 | Pascat | Editting |
| 08:13.27 | smacnay | kevix: where do I read up on udev? |
| 08:13.29 | Pascat | I've to work with codes, and its been made into a mess... o.o |
| 08:13.29 | SerajewelKS | Pascat: vim will do that. open the file and do ":syntax on" |
| 08:13.41 | zeballin3 | ThomasAH: now I remember. And her death was foretold to her by guinnin I think. |
| 08:13.46 | kevix | Pascat: if you use vim, you can use ':syn on' to highlight code |
| 08:13.50 | Pascat | thanks o.o |
| 08:13.52 | SerajewelKS | Pascat: if the file doesn't end with .php, and vim can't figure out that it's php, you'll also need to do "set filetype=php" |
| 08:14.17 | rage | How do I boot up in single user mode so I can run fsck? |
| 08:14.23 | zeballin3 | ThomasAH: was Troi in the first episode or did she come later? |
| 08:14.28 | Daedalus_ | Pascat: if it's C, you might find the "indent" program useful, if the spacing style isn't to your liking |
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| 08:14.40 | SerajewelKS | odd, i haven't been getting all of the messages from the debian-user list. they show up a day late, if at all. is the listserv having trouble? |
| 08:14.43 | jm_ | rage: /msg dpkg single user mode |
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| 08:14.54 | Pascat | thanks guys o.o |
| 08:15.02 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: she was in the first one |
| 08:15.19 | zeballin3 | SerajewelKS: she was a babe! |
| 08:15.22 | Sord444 | in FreeBSD i have /etc/libmap.conf to control lib versions (like if i have libtiff.so.4 and an app needs libtiff.so.3 i can map it to 4). how do i do this in debian? |
| 08:15.24 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: "great joy, and gratitude! great joy, and gratitude!" |
| 08:15.27 | Edzilla | hi everybody |
| 08:15.30 | rage | jm_: I'm not very handy with grub, it gave me instructions for lilo, I'm uncertain how to apply them to grub |
| 08:15.41 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: babe, yes. actor, no. |
| 08:15.54 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: at least not in the pilot |
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| 08:16.09 | zeballin3 | SerajewelKS: she looked good in her uniform... but not as good as 7of9. |
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| 08:16.36 | kevix | Sord444: there are some old libs available to install. |
| 08:16.40 | ThomasAH | zeballin3: Guinian (or however that spells) said in one episode something like "Go away, you don't exist" :-) Then Tasha went to the Enterprise C in the past. Troi was on the ship from the first episode on. They fetched her ex Riker on farpoint station |
| 08:16.49 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: yeah i focus more on the plot =P |
| 08:16.53 | Edzilla | windows erased my grub install, so I'm trying to reinstall it using knoppix, but it won't work :( |
| 08:17.23 | ludi | is AGPGART either statically compiled into my kernel or built as a module and loaded into my kernel? |
| 08:17.27 | SerajewelKS | !tell Edzilla about doesn't work |
| 08:17.28 | zeballin3 | I'm new to debian. Running testing. I'd like to use k3b which is not in testing. Can you mix and match from etch and sid? How do I burn a cd? |
| 08:17.33 | Sord444 | kevix, oh, i couldnt find 3 in my apt repository but maybe i didnt enable a certain server |
| 08:17.47 | zeballin3 | SerajewelKS: and I actually read playboy. |
| 08:17.50 | Edzilla | ok, I'll try to me more specific |
| 08:18.02 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: you can *read* playboy? |
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| 08:18.27 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: re k3b: try pulling just k3b from sid, and pray |
| 08:18.30 | Edzilla | I've tried to use grub-install, after doing a chroot to the debian root partition |
| 08:18.32 | ThomasAH | zeballin3: But I think we're enough offtopic for now, unless you fine an apt repository with star trek episode guides :) |
| 08:18.37 | zeballin3 | SerajewelKS: yeah, has words an everything.. !! |
| 08:18.40 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: KDE in sid is changing fast so there might be dependency issues |
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| 08:19.00 | SerajewelKS | ThomasAH: i'm watching TNG on debian right now, does that count? |
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| 08:19.06 | ludi | is AGPGART either statically compiled into my kernel or built as a module and loaded into my kernel? |
| 08:19.12 | kevix | Sord444: you are correct. you can try a 'hack.' by making a simlink for .4 to .3 |
| 08:19.15 | SerajewelKS | ludi: lsmod | grep agpgart |
| 08:19.20 | zeballin3 | But k3b has been out for years. Why has it never made it to testing? I obvioulsy need to learn policy!! |
| 08:19.23 | SerajewelKS | ludi: if it shows up, it's a module |
| 08:19.44 | vipe | I'm looking for a mysql-ui (sarge)... but I can only find a few gui's. Any idea where I can find some UI packages ? |
| 08:19.45 | Sord444 | kevix, yea i figured i could symlink but i was just wondering if there was a library mapping type thing like in FBSD |
| 08:19.48 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: things can get removed from testing to make dependency transitions easier |
| 08:20.01 | zeballin3 | ThomasAH: What/who was Guinian? Never understood where she came from. |
| 08:20.13 | Azar | ludi, you will have to pick it with modconf, on 2.4.x did not worked for me only after I upgraded to 2.6.x it was accepted |
| 08:20.16 | zeballin3 | SerajewelKS: ok, so it might come back to testing soon? |
| 08:20.22 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: she came from the Center Square for the Win |
| 08:20.23 | kevix | Sord444: just for kicks, what need libtiff3 and is the source available? |
| 08:20.23 | Sord444 | kevix, symlink did the trick |
| 08:20.47 | zeballin3 | SerajewelKS: she lived like 500 years or something? |
| 08:20.49 | Sord444 | kevix, my canon i860 printer, and i dont know if its avail but its not in my repositories - just 4 |
| 08:20.54 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: in theory, maybe. there's a transition going on in sid, so best guess is 10 days after the transition, if we're lucky. |
| 08:20.59 | kevix | zeballin3: wasn't she some kind of time traveller? |
| 08:20.59 | kevix | Sord444: cool! |
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| 08:21.25 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: afaik she was old, yeah |
| 08:21.30 | kevix | !haxx |
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| 08:21.46 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: in one episode, picard (or riker, don't remember) and data went back in time and met her |
| 08:21.50 | zeballin3 | SerajewelKS: what transition is going on? Last one was xorg and gcc4 (?) which 'hosed' Sid all summer. What's up now? |
| 08:21.53 | ludi | what is AGPGART? Do I need it? |
| 08:22.00 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: c2 -> c2a |
| 08:22.02 | ludi | seems I have it on my system |
| 08:22.05 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: afaik it only affects KDE |
| 08:22.22 | kevix | SerajewelKS: that was when they were on old earth and met mark twain |
| 08:22.23 | SerajewelKS | ludi: what is your video card's chipset |
| 08:22.24 | zeballin3 | SerajewelKS: I don't remember that episode... but I know I saw them all. |
| 08:22.25 | Azar | ludi, it belongs to your video, depends which version of Debian are you running and what kernel |
| 08:22.40 | ludi | SerajewelKS: nvidia geforce 6800GT |
| 08:22.42 | SerajewelKS | kevix: twain, right. that was a fun one. |
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| 08:22.50 | zeballin3 | SerajewelKS: must be the 3.5 stuff coming into sid? |
| 08:22.54 | ludi | Azar: debian 'etch' 2.6.12-1-686-smp |
| 08:22.59 | SerajewelKS | ludi: then it's probably letting the video drivers talk to your agp card |
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| 08:23.11 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: no, that's been in for a while |
| 08:23.23 | SerajewelKS | zeballin3: just sorting things out and stuff. give it a few months. |
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| 08:23.34 | Azar | ludi, you are courageous, well I usually select the agpgart right after I upgrade the kernel, by using modconf |
| 08:23.34 | ludi | SerajewelKS: Trying to figure out if I should use NVAGP or AGPGART |
| 08:23.43 | SerajewelKS | ludi: nvagp |
| 08:24.01 | zeballin3 | I was on another distro that is based on sid and got tired of the breakage... so I moved to testing a while ago. Someone told me how to use the net installer and get kde-core. |
| 08:24.09 | ludi | SerajewelKS: It says I can't use NVAGP if I have AGPGART loaded in my kernel or as a module |
| 08:24.14 | Azar | SerajewelKS, I use a nvidia card as well but I only select agpgart |
| 08:24.15 | zeballin3 | I'm still finding things I need!!! |
| 08:24.26 | ludi | lsmod| grep agpgart |
| 08:24.26 | ludi | agpgart 36204 2 nvidia,via_agp |
| 08:24.36 | SerajewelKS | ludi: i am pretty sure that i am using nvagp, and i have agpgart loaded |
| 08:24.43 | SerajewelKS | ludi: i couldn't get the damn thing unloaded |
| 08:24.54 | ludi | http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8178/README/appendix-d.html |
| 08:25.04 | zeballin3 | Time for bed. Thanks for the chat. Live long and prosper (or something like that.) |
| 08:25.05 | Ostehovel | (Debian takes Ages to boot on Bochs....) |
| 08:25.05 | aeg | Hi mauybe a dump question but after a fresh install of sarge de date format in my ls -l has change to ISO mode like "YYYY-MM-DD HH:mm" is this as intended or did i do smething wrong ? |
| 08:25.08 | ludi | Please note that NVIDIA's internal AGP support cannot work if AGPGART is either statically compiled into your kernel or is built as a module and loaded into your kernel. |
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| 08:25.30 | Azar | bah ludi if you downloaded and installed the nvidia out of Debian lines, you are on your own |
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| 08:25.43 | kevix | aeg: what is your locale setup? |
| 08:26.03 | aeg | Normaly i do C |
| 08:26.06 | Azar | etch, sid, nvidia drivers.. rice turkish pilaf |
| 08:26.31 | ludi | Azar: no I used the nvidia one-liner supplied here |
| 08:26.56 | Azar | ludi why would you think agpgart would not be good for you? |
| 08:27.09 | SerajewelKS | Azar: nvagp is usually faster... |
| 08:27.20 | Azar | SerajewelKS, ah I see |
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| 08:27.41 | kevix | aeg: I forget if the listing is controlled by LC_CTYPE or LC_COLLATE |
| 08:27.42 | aeg | Kevix: where can i check this ? |
| 08:27.53 | kevix | aeg: 'locales' |
| 08:27.59 | ludi | Azar: plus I have a game that temporarily freezes for about 10-15 seconds and then resumes |
| 08:28.15 | ludi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.15 | ludi | Status: Enabled |
| 08:28.15 | ludi | Driver: AGPGART |
| 08:28.15 | ludi | AGP Rate: 8x |
| 08:28.15 | ludi | Fast Writes: Disabled |
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| 08:28.16 | aeg | in the env ? |
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| 08:28.20 | Azar | ludi, did you enabled the 3D rendering ? |
| 08:28.27 | ludi | Azar: how do I do that? |
| 08:28.38 | ludi | you mean, in the game? |
| 08:28.39 | ludi | yes. |
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| 08:28.47 | kevix | aeg: <type>locale</type> |
| 08:28.47 | Azar | I guess with xfree86 config |
| 08:28.54 | fooz | arrghh |
| 08:28.55 | ludi | xorg.conf? |
| 08:29.09 | Azar | maybe with that too, I never used xorg |
| 08:29.12 | SerajewelKS | ludi: FYI, /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status tells me that i'm using "Driver: NVIDIA", and agpgart *is* loaded |
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| 08:29.32 | aeg | kevix: its all en_US |
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| 08:29.37 | ludi | SerajewelKS: did you do that Option "NvAgp" "1" in your xorg.conf |
| 08:29.42 | SerajewelKS | ludi: yes |
| 08:29.48 | ludi | hmmm |
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| 08:29.54 | ludi | nvidia docs says that shouldn't be |
| 08:30.01 | telenieko | hi ppl. somebody told me one day a site were you could browse debian repositories by date to find old packages. Do you have it's URL? |
| 08:30.07 | aeg | only en_ALL is empty |
| 08:30.09 | ludi | "Please note that NVIDIA's internal AGP support cannot work if AGPGART is either statically compiled into your kernel or is built as a module and loaded into your kernel. " |
| 08:30.11 | kevix | aeg: so did you want to change in to 'C'? |
| 08:30.13 | SerajewelKS | ludi: well, the docs are wrong |
| 08:30.17 | ludi | hehe |
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| 08:30.27 | ludi | how do I reload X without rebooting? |
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| 08:30.36 | SerajewelKS | ludi: CTRL+ALT+BKSP |
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| 08:30.43 | kevix | telenieko: snapshot.debian.org ? |
| 08:30.48 | SerajewelKS | omg, he did it |
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| 08:31.06 | aeg | if this is the cass of my problem ? |
| 08:31.19 | Ostehovel | (Setup of Debiant takes Ages.... |
| 08:31.20 | Ostehovel | ) |
| 08:31.33 | tosh | running sarge/unstable, anyone know where I can ip6tables? doesn't seem to be in apt |
| 08:31.37 | telenieko | kevix unresolved |
| 08:31.47 | kevix | aeg: that is what I have. if en_ALL was set, it would override the others |
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| 08:31.47 | telenieko | it isn't ;( |
| 08:31.53 | SerajewelKS | ludi: welcome back =) |
| 08:31.58 | fooz | i hate debugging other peoples' code |
| 08:32.06 | ludi | cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status |
| 08:32.06 | ludi | Status: Disabled |
| 08:32.12 | kevix | telenieko: snapshot.debian.net , my bad. |
| 08:32.19 | SerajewelKS | ludi: which kernel again? |
| 08:32.23 | aeg | kevix: so what i have to do is find where the _ALL is (miss) set |
| 08:32.24 | ludi | that's with the Option "NvAgp" "1" |
| 08:32.31 | ludi | 2.6.12-1-686-smp |
| 08:32.45 | SerajewelKS | ludi: hrm same one as me, except mine's not smp |
| 08:32.51 | telenieko | thx kevix I think it is! :) |
| 08:32.55 | ludi | did you unload agpgart |
| 08:33.02 | ludi | how would I do that btw? |
| 08:33.08 | kevix | aeg: you can do 'dpkg-reconfigure locale' to set your locales. |
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| 08:33.28 | SerajewelKS | ludi: i tried to, but it wouldn't unload, and i couldn't get it to not load. 'modprobe nvidia' would automatically pull it in. |
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| 08:34.09 | aeg | kevix: thx ... do you by the way know with what locale the ISO date format is ment to show up ? |
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| 08:34.34 | ludi | there has to be a way to disable AGPGART |
| 08:34.51 | streuner | aeg: s/locale/locales/ |
| 08:35.07 | [Fish] | heloo |
| 08:35.07 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
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| 08:35.32 | kevix | aeg: the most common settings are 'C' or 'en_US' ? not sure which would be ISO. but you can experiment for free! |
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| 08:36.02 | aeg | stkevix / steuner thx .. will do a man on this |
| 08:36.14 | ludi | NVAGP probably doesn't support my chipset anyway |
| 08:36.24 | ludi | how do I tell what my chipset is? |
| 08:37.27 | fooz | damn my C is so rusty |
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| 08:37.46 | ludi | SerajewelKS: seen this? Option "LoadKernelModule" "boolean" |
| 08:37.46 | ludi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:40.40 | ludi | SerajewelKS: dmesg = NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded! |
| 08:40.40 | ludi | NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded! |
| 08:40.49 | ludi | :( |
| 08:40.56 | xiptos | Hi all! Does anyone knows how to blacklist the thermal module under udev? |
| 08:41.06 | dimir | NVRM == Nevermind! |
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| 08:41.42 | Nazcafan | in the script "why is package X", if a package is marked as going in today, does it mean that it is already available ? |
| 08:42.04 | Flimzy | Are there any good utilities to manage multiple network connections, on a roaming laptop? |
| 08:42.28 | ludi | how do I prevent AGPGART from loading? |
| 08:42.34 | kevix | Nazcafan: packages first go into incoming.debian.org then 'unstable' |
| 08:42.42 | lunitik | Flimzy: I'm pretty sure thats the point of what they're doing with NetworkManager |
| 08:42.49 | Ostehovel | Are it a bug when linux uses ages to show the config screan first time boot debian? |
| 08:42.56 | xiptos | Flimzy: guessnet |
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| 08:43.16 | Ostehovel | it has crashed 2 times.... |
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| 08:43.21 | Ostehovel | (Hangs...) |
| 08:43.21 | Nazcafan | kevix : I mean "why is X not in _testing_ yet " ? |
| 08:43.25 | streuner | Ostehovel: wanna write one? |
| 08:43.31 | Ostehovel | No |
| 08:43.32 | Ostehovel | :P |
| 08:43.33 | dimir | ludi: blacklist agpgart in /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 08:43.51 | ludi | dimir: what do you mean blacklist? |
| 08:44.01 | ludi | would this work? `echo "alias agpgart off" >> /etc/modules.conf` |
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| 08:45.06 | Jeeves_moss | dpkg: you in here tonight? |
| 08:45.11 | ludi | dimir: what is the name of the agpgart module? is it in CAPS? |
| 08:45.24 | Ostehovel | (How long takes it to install kdebase on 2 mbit line?) |
| 08:45.26 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 08:45.27 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 08:45.42 | streuner | Ostehovel: KDE is biiiigggg these days |
| 08:45.43 | Jeeves_moss | dpkg: well, you are alive! |
| 08:45.43 | dpkg | Jeeves_moss: I think you lost me on that one |
| 08:46.07 | Jeeves_moss | dpkg: got a sec for a realy dumb networking issue? |
| 08:46.12 | dimir | ludi: the 'echo "alias agpgart off" >> /etc/modules.conf' should probably also work, as in that case modprobe will ignore requests to load it. |
| 08:46.32 | streuner | Jeeves_moss: stop talking to a bot! |
| 08:46.35 | dimir | ludi edit /etc/modules.conf and add line 'alias agpgart off' (without quotes) there. |
| 08:46.48 | dimir | ludi: agpgart module name is 'agpgart'. :-) |
| 08:46.48 | jm_ | use /etc/modprobe.d for 2.6 kernel |
| 08:46.58 | streuner | Jeeves_moss: just ask your question here |
| 08:47.08 | jm_ | and don't edit /etc/modules.conf directly under 2.4 |
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| 08:48.12 | ludi | dimir: should I also do the /etc/hotplug/blacklist thing as well? |
| 08:48.16 | Jeeves_moss | streuner: ok, when I static my IP on this new box, I can connect to it using SSH, but I can't ping any network names or WWW names. It gives me "network is unreachable". But I can ping local machines by IP |
| 08:48.17 | ludi | dimir: or just the modules.conf |
| 08:48.33 | dimir | ludi: what kernel do you have? |
| 08:48.42 | ludi | 2.6.12-1-686-smp |
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| 08:49.22 | Jeeves_moss | streunner: how ever, if I DHCP it, then I can get a ping out to what ever address. Its just that I need to static this unit. |
| 08:49.28 | dimir | ludi: then you should probalby edit /etc/modprobe.d/aliases and add 'alias agpgart off' there. |
| 08:49.28 | kevix | Nazcafan: go to : http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian for the one true source for testing info |
| 08:49.51 | Ostehovel | (3 time it crashes) |
| 08:49.55 | mhall | Jeeves_moss: ok; man interfaces |
| 08:49.56 | Ostehovel | (This is the last time) |
| 08:50.08 | mhall | Jeeves_moss: if you use static you must specify default gateway |
| 08:50.18 | dimir | ludi: and yes, add 'agpgart' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist file too. |
| 08:50.19 | Jeeves_moss | mhall: and that does what again? |
| 08:50.24 | mhall | Jeeves_moss: DHCP does it automatically which is why the problem does not occur |
| 08:50.27 | streuner | Jeeves_moss: your DNS isn't working, check out what mhall said, you usually set this up over 'interfaces' |
| 08:50.34 | ludi | dimir: so do all 3? the /etc/hotplug/blacklist, the /etc/modules.conf, and the /etc/modprobe.d/aliases ? |
| 08:50.35 | mhall | Jeeves_moss: forwards all packets for which you have not got a route |
| 08:50.36 | Jeeves_moss | mhall: it was working fine before the last re-boot |
| 08:50.39 | streuner | Jeeves_moss: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 08:51.00 | mhall | Jeeves_moss: routes not persistent over reboot |
| 08:51.13 | mhall | Jeeves_moss: but hey try it without believing me if you want |
| 08:51.20 | streuner | you set up routes over interfaces most likely in debian |
| 08:51.36 | Jeeves_moss | mhall: I've rebooted the entire network. what I don't get is that I can ping local machines by IP, and I can SSH into the box by its machine name |
| 08:51.37 | dimir | ludi: 2, forget the /etc/modules.conf thing. |
| 08:52.03 | ludi | okay reboot time |
| 08:52.11 | mhall | Jeeves_moss: question for you, from which boxes can you ssh into it by its name |
| 08:52.35 | streuner | Jeeves_moss: (using which command) |
| 08:52.39 | Jeeves_moss | mhall: I checked the static settings, and there all clean. My HDCP server will give the same IP to the MAC in this box. I'm currently on my main workstation (the server is in the 72U rackmount in the kitchen) |
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| 08:54.37 | Jeeves_moss | mhall: all the other linux boxes in the rack booted properly (proper static settings handed out via the MAC addresses from my DHCP) |
| 08:55.28 | JJK | Hello, When I try to install Postfix on a UML guest with Sarge, the package manager returns an error with the message: 'Couldn't reopen stdin(/dev/tty): No such device or address at /usr/sbin/update-inetd on line 29' However, the /dev/tty device *does* exist. What's the problem, or better: how can I solve it? |
| 08:56.13 | mhall | Jeeves_moss: ok, but this does not explain how your hostnames work |
| 08:56.53 | Jeeves_moss | mhall: so as you can see. I'm kinda stumped here. I know the DHCP server is giving proper info (all the other servers boot corectly), and when I set the unit to a true DHCP (no MAC res.) it has no problems getting out the the net. |
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| 08:58.00 | xiptos | Hi all! Does anyone knows how to blacklist the thermal module under udev/modprobe? |
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| 08:58.42 | michael | didn't work - ho to reinstall the ICE thing? |
| 08:58.48 | Jeeves_moss | mhall: its not realy that big of an issue. I'm just looking to get some work done on the MySQL server, then play some CS |
| 08:59.46 | cojelek25 | is anyone know type id card printer which support by linux |
| 08:59.50 | michael | what is the package name? |
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| 09:00.14 | jm_ | cojelek25: type id card? |
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| 09:01.01 | Jeeves_moss | All: any one have an idea how to fix a proper shut down on a server? I know this one will support a software shutdown, but hen I give the "halt" command, it only goes to "power down" |
| 09:01.30 | Jeeves_moss | mhall: I think I found the issue. a subnet mask issue |
| 09:02.10 | michael | What package does the ICE thing come from? - last question, then I'm going down for a reinstall and not bothering you again |
| 09:02.17 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: that's an apm/acpi issue. |
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| 09:02.28 | jm_ | Jeeves_moss: man poweroff, you need ACPI or APM support in kernel |
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| 09:02.45 | JJK | Jeeves_moss, doesn't shutdown -h now work? |
| 09:02.50 | ludi | didn't work...agpgart was still loading |
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| 09:03.10 | ludi | how do I enable fastwrites with my nvidia agp driver? |
| 09:03.16 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: Intresting. how would one go about fixing that? Its just a pain in the butt to walk into the kitchen to actuly shut the beast down. The fiance looks @ me strangly when I go digging in the 72U cabnet |
| 09:03.28 | cojelek25 | jm_ : Id card type which support for linux, iam sorry |
| 09:03.28 | michael__ | does ne1 know? |
| 09:03.48 | jm_ | cojelek25: what is id card type? |
| 09:04.09 | michael__ | fuck it, gnight all |
| 09:04.17 | streuner | Jeeves_moss: cat /proc/version (server) |
| 09:04.24 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: I would love to see a pix of a 72U rack in a kitchen! is it near the microwave? x-) |
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| 09:04.50 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: you have to determine if your server supports apm or acpi, then you need to load the kernel modules for it. |
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| 09:05.05 | cojelek25 | jm_: i mean the product for id card printing which can be run on linux |
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| 09:05.14 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: apm is older than acpi. so try to do apm first, if it fails, try acpi. |
| 09:05.23 | streuner | Jeeves_moss: yeah - and let us see a photo of it |
| 09:05.28 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: nope. its @ the far end by the bathroom door. I didden't have anywhere else to put it in the apartment. My friend works @ Hammond mfg, and they were going to toss it out because they coulden't repaint it. The customer wanted a beige one, and this one is black |
| 09:05.56 | ludi | "cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/card |
| 09:05.56 | ludi | " says that Fast Writes is supported, but "cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status" says that Fast Writes is Disabled. How do I enable Fast Writes? |
| 09:06.14 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: how would I go about doing that? could you open a seprate window so I don't have to scan through this mess to see what you've type out. |
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| 09:07.14 | streuner | Jeeves_moss: grep -i apm /boot/config-2.x.x by using the paster bot |
| 09:07.18 | streuner | !paster |
| 09:07.18 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 09:07.39 | Jeeves_moss | streunner: I can send you a pic of what it looked like before it got tossed into rackmount cases and into the rackmount. |
| 09:07.40 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: waste not, want not! especially geeks! most collect computer. In Debian, Joey Hess is know to have quite a few! |
| 09:08.04 | jm_ | cojelek25: ohh sorry, no idea |
| 09:08.45 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: I'm trying to amass enough equipment so I can get some programmers together. I want to work on something that will give e-bay a run for their $$. |
| 09:09.18 | cojelek25 | jm_: ok thanks, i open www.fargo.com , but all the product only run in windows |
| 09:10.15 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: Yikes! they have quite the operation! At the moment Google is starting its own thing, so you'd have to top ebay and google! |
| 09:10.16 | Jeeves_moss | streunner, kevix: if you guys send me an e-mail, I'll e-mail you a pic of the equipment and the P.O.ed fiance. |
| 09:10.56 | fooz | most programmers have computers.. |
| 09:11.01 | fooz | you don't need to collect computers for them.. |
| 09:11.05 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: thats why I'm thinking some hackers might be the best thing to employ, or better yet, team up with. I provide the hardware, they provide the code. |
| 09:11.18 | Jeeves_moss | fooz: you don't relize the extent of the stuff I've got here. |
| 09:11.29 | fooz | probably less than I've got in one of my desk drawers.. |
| 09:11.31 | fooz | :) |
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| 09:11.46 | Jeeves_moss | fooz: wow, look whos on a roll tonight |
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| 09:12.24 | inetd | is there a way to capture the console when booting linux ? (assuming it doesnt boot to runlevel scripts...bugs out before) |
| 09:12.26 | ludi | BIOS says agp fast writes is enable |
| 09:12.31 | fooz | if you've seen Serial Experiments Lain.. they modeled her room on mine |
| 09:12.32 | ludi | so how do I enable it with the driver? |
| 09:12.47 | Jeeves_moss | fooz: and you'd like her to model on you. |
| 09:12.49 | Ostehovel | (Im going to change from Bochs to CoLinux emulator....(Bochs is so slow...)) |
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| 09:13.08 | kevix | inetd: like 'dmesg'? |
| 09:13.17 | fooz | except, you know, there's limits to how many computers artists can draw in any one given cel.. they got tired and had to give up after so many |
| 09:13.54 | Jeeves_moss | fooz: lol, whats your e-mail addy and I'll show you the chick who is modeling her box on me. |
| 09:13.55 | inetd | kevix: yer..but i cant get to dmesg because linux is not up..ive got irq problem with my IDE controller |
| 09:14.12 | neuterspay | Where can I get randr, anybody? |
| 09:14.15 | fooz | that's ok. email harvesters like #debian logs |
| 09:14.40 | kevix | inetd: have you tried to use knoppix to see if it can provide any hints? |
| 09:14.46 | Jeeves_moss | fooz: no kidding. I was figuring typing it out in a way that took a brain to figure out. |
| 09:14.48 | Ostehovel | it takes around 5-10 min to go to the next diaglog in debian setup... |
| 09:15.02 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: what was that command to get this thing to shut down properly? |
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| 09:16.12 | Jeeves_moss | kevix, fooz: ???? |
| 09:16.14 | inetd | kevix: knoppix cant giv my exact error msg..im trying to record my current problem |
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| 09:16.24 | ludi | how do I enable fast write in the nvidia driver, if it's already enabled in the BIOS? |
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| 09:17.36 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: try as root 'modprobe apm' if you get errors then try 'modprobe acpi' |
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| 09:18.26 | Ostehovel | (Hehe i use nothing as root password :P ) |
| 09:18.47 | Ostehovel | (Nooo |
| 09:18.53 | Ostehovel | it not working) |
| 09:19.08 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: hummm, it dosen't like "modprobe acpi" (can't locate module acpi), and the other one spit out a chunk then failed |
| 09:19.18 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. |
| 09:19.19 | Jeeves_moss | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.19 | Jeeves_moss | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.o failed |
| 09:19.19 | Jeeves_moss | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.o: insmod apm failed |
| 09:19.19 | Jeeves_moss | Angelika:/boot# modprobe acpi |
| 09:19.19 | JJK | Hello, When I try to install Postfix on a UML guest with Sarge, the package manager returns an error with the message: 'Couldn't reopen stdin(/dev/tty): No such device or address at /usr/sbin/update-inetd on line 29' However, the /dev/tty device *does* exist. Does anyone how to solve this?? |
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| 09:20.17 | JJK | I thinks it's an error in the update-inetd script ,right? |
| 09:20.42 | ludi | what's the /etc/modprobe.conf on Debian? |
| 09:21.06 | Ostehovel | How to change the way Apt-Get install programs ask for the program settings? |
| 09:21.13 | dondelelcaro | ludi: Debian doesn't have one. Use /etc/modules instead. |
| 09:21.39 | dondelelcaro | Ostehovel: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 09:21.41 | Ostehovel | ok |
| 09:21.42 | Ostehovel | thanks |
| 09:21.49 | Ostehovel | i was select wrong ask way |
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| 09:22.05 | Ostehovel | I Love this IRC Channel(I use mIRC) |
| 09:22.19 | SimonRaven | @kernel |
| 09:23.11 | Nazcafan | kevix: I went there, it says "going in today", but it's not available in synaptic or via apt-get update anyway |
| 09:23.12 | fooz | dondelelcaro, what do you mean, doesn't have one? |
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| 09:24.07 | kevix | Nazcafan: packages go to incoming.debian.org then unstable then testing (then stable when released) |
| 09:24.22 | fooz | dondelelcaro, they replaced it with a more flexible run-parts style equivalent, but it's there.. |
| 09:24.27 | dondelelcaro | fooz: we don't distribute a modprobe.conf, we have a modprobe.d |
| 09:24.44 | Nazcafan | kevix: I meant " going in _testing_ today " |
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| 09:24.46 | kevix | Nazcafan: if it was in unstable and going into testing, the testing packages is the SAME one as in unstable. |
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| 09:25.00 | fooz | /etc/modules doesn't do anything that modprobe.conf or modprobe.d does |
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| 09:25.12 | PHPCleaner | hey, is ' WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!' particularly bad? |
| 09:25.25 | dondelelcaro | fooz: yes, but unless you're doing something special, what you really want is /etc/modules, not /etc/moprobe.d or /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 09:25.29 | dondelelcaro | PHPCleaner: /topic |
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| 09:25.36 | Nazcafan | kevix : http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=openoffice.org |
| 09:25.38 | kevix | Nazcafan: so, you can download and use the unstable one (if you dont want to wait for the apt-get update after it gets into testing) |
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| 09:26.07 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, what most people who are asking for /etc/modprobe.conf in here really want) |
| 09:26.17 | Nazcafan | kevix, I'm affraid there is a lot of dependencies too, do you think it will take long to update ? |
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| 09:26.25 | XTF | Hi. Do I need to update my apt secure keys? I'm getting key not found errors. |
| 09:26.30 | dondelelcaro | XTF: /topic |
| 09:26.35 | fooz | dondelelcaro, ludi asked 'what's the /etc/modprobe.conf on Debian?' not 'I think I want /etc/modprobe.conf, but I'm wrong, so tell me what you think I should use instead' though |
| 09:27.23 | kevix | Nazcafan: it shouldn't. if you are desperate you can add 'unstable' to your sources.list, update, get the deb, then remove 'unstable' and update. |
| 09:27.33 | dondelelcaro | fooz: *shrug*; we'll never know what ludi really meant now. |
| 09:28.03 | Nazcafan | kevix: thanks, I'll wait |
| 09:28.12 | kevix | Nazcafan: the transition from unstable on average takes 10 days, so it should be in less than 10 days or sooner. |
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| 09:28.45 | Nazcafan | ok, thanks |
| 09:28.48 | kevix | Nazcafan: wise thing to do, waiting. |
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| 09:29.37 | Nazcafan | kevix: patience he has not, teach him I can't |
| 09:29.52 | kevix | Nazcafan: hehe. |
| 09:30.22 | Nazcafan | kevix : the script says it's been accepted in testing so it shouldn't take more than 1 or 2 days |
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| 09:31.13 | XTF | kevix less than or sooner? |
| 09:31.51 | kevix | Nazcafan: that script it the place to check. if it says so, I'd think so. |
| 09:32.13 | dondelelcaro | kevix: it's slightly more complex than that; at urgency=low, the fastest it will transition is 10 days. If there are bugs or missing dependencies, it can take longer |
| 09:32.15 | kevix | XTF: computer can check spell, grammar in a horse of another colour! |
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| 09:32.20 | Nazcafan | ok then, need to go to work, goodbye |
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| 09:33.01 | kevix | dondelelcaro: that is why I sent him to haxx.se, which is suppose to figure those unknowns IIRC! |
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| 09:34.56 | howdydo | hello, has anyone installed debiian on raid0 with sata drives? i have a silicon image chipset (onboard) on an nf7-s |
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| 09:37.15 | dondelelcaro | kevix: that just tells you what the package needs to transition; it's the right place to look if you can't read the excuses output. |
| 09:37.18 | jm_ | howdydo: it's a bit tricky to do it, but yes, people have managed it |
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| 09:52.02 | SWAT_work | I run Debian Sarge 3.0 on 2.4.x kernel. When I do "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686" I get a big error. I pasted it here: http://pastebin.com/489933 |
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| 09:55.36 | fireba11 | SWAT_work: you did anything unusual to your installation ? |
| 09:56.08 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: is /boot not mounted, or mounted read-only perhaps? |
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| 09:57.10 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: what does ls -l /usr/bin/awk give? |
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| 10:00.14 | SWAT_work | I'll go check (remote here :D) |
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| 10:02.10 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2005-12-12 04:12 /usr/bin/awk -> /etc/alternatives/awk |
| 10:02.17 | erigf | Anyone here able to tell me what "superblock last write time is in the future" means? I get this on boot every other time or so when mounting my ext3 filesystems. |
| 10:02.28 | Gnea | SWAT_work: what's the output of this: dpkg -S `which mkinitrd` |
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| 10:03.13 | SWAT_work | Gnea, dpkg: *which mkinitrd* not found. |
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| 10:03.35 | SWAT_work | Gnea, I mean: initrd-tools: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd |
| 10:03.42 | Gnea | ah |
| 10:04.00 | Gnea | ok, that looks right |
| 10:04.02 | blahdebla1 | What about dpkg -l awk |
| 10:04.17 | blahdebla1 | Sorry - dpkg -l gawk |
| 10:05.19 | Rapp | i've got a problem with keymaps on testing with X.org. i am using the US intl layout. when i hit backspace and very shortly after that for example 's' i get an ß |
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| 10:05.25 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, dpkg -l awk --> http://pastebin.com/489944 . dpkg -l gawk --> http://pastebin.com/489945 |
| 10:05.51 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, I think it could be taht my /boot isn't mounted... how can I check? (I didn't touch the fstab) |
| 10:06.05 | blahdebla1 | mount |
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| 10:06.24 | Gnea | SWAT_work: why wouldn't it be mounted? yeah, that could be a problem |
| 10:06.40 | Zvpun | how can I identify all installed non-free packages? |
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| 10:06.48 | dondelelcaro | Zvpun: apt-get install vrms; |
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| 10:06.52 | blahdebla1 | Good for Malagmyr! |
| 10:07.12 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, I checked /boot and there are files in there.... so I guess that works |
| 10:07.15 | Zvpun | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 10:07.24 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: not necessarily |
| 10:07.27 | JJK | Hello, to explicitely grant access to some host, and deny it for all others, do I have to put [granted-hosts] into hosts.allow and *@* in hosts.deny? |
| 10:07.34 | Zvpun | would be funny if vrms itself was non-free :-) |
| 10:07.54 | Gnea | RETAWDED |
| 10:07.56 | SWAT_work | JJK, just deny all, and allow ceratin hosts |
| 10:07.57 | Gnea | :) |
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| 10:08.04 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: if you've got a separate partition for /boot, then if it's not mounted and files are in there anyway, you'll get unexpected behaviour. |
| 10:08.20 | erigf | Anyone here able to tell me what "superblock last write time is in the future" means? I get this on boot every other time or so when mounting my ext3 filesystems. |
| 10:08.29 | SWAT_work | JJK, so hosts.deny gets a * or something and hosts.allow get certain allowed hosts |
| 10:08.47 | dondelelcaro | erigf: it means that the superblock was written sometime in the future; IE that either your clock now is set wrong, or you clock was set wrong when you formatted the disk. |
| 10:08.51 | Zvpun | how do I purge a not installed package? |
| 10:08.54 | JJK | SWAT_work, yes, that's what I mean. |
| 10:08.59 | dondelelcaro | Zvpun: dpkg --purge foopkg; |
| 10:09.03 | Malagmyr | erigf: you probably made the filesystem while the clock on the machine was set to some time in the future |
| 10:09.18 | Zvpun | dondelelcaro: thanks agaoin |
| 10:09.21 | JJK | SWAT_work, should it be FQDN's in the hosts.allow file? |
| 10:09.27 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, I don't think it's on a seperate partition. So let's rule that out for now |
| 10:09.28 | Malagmyr | erigf: it doesn't, afaik, matter |
| 10:09.39 | erigf | that's interesting. i haven't changed the clock time in years. is there any way to fix this? |
| 10:09.57 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: OK - give us a pastebin of the entire output of apt-get install kernel-whatever after adding "set -x" somewhere near the top of /usr/sbin/mkinitrd. |
| 10:09.58 | SWAT_work | JJK, FQDN's ? |
| 10:10.04 | erigf | when i run e2fsck it corrects the errors, but then 2 boot up's later the same future timestamp message appears |
| 10:10.22 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: Fully Qualified Domain Name |
| 10:10.29 | Gnea | erigf: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 10:10.35 | JJK | SWAT_work, Fully Qualified Domain Names (like test.example.com) indstead of test |
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| 10:10.40 | erigf | Gnea i've got that on my machine |
| 10:10.54 | Zvpun | blahdebla1: isn't it linux-image-whatever? |
| 10:11.05 | Gnea | erigf: odd... what's the hard drive manufacturer |
| 10:11.10 | erigf | Gnea seagate |
| 10:11.21 | blahdebla1 | Zvpun: i couldn't be bothered scrolling back far enough to see which on SWAT_work was using... ;-) |
| 10:11.25 | Gnea | erigf: which model #? |
| 10:11.28 | blahdebla1 | s/on/one/ |
| 10:11.30 | erigf | Gnea it's quite odd because this just started happening a few days ago only |
| 10:11.30 | metaperl | what Debian package has gnome-config in it? |
| 10:12.02 | SWAT_work | JJK, why don't use IP's? :D |
| 10:12.03 | blahdebla1 | metaperl: dpkg -S `which gnome-config` |
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| 10:12.23 | blahdebla1 | metaperl: For me this gives libgnome-dev: |
| 10:12.33 | Gnea | libgnome-dev |
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| 10:12.35 | JJK | SWAT_work, DHCP. It could be that an IP is changing. And then it can give some problems |
| 10:12.36 | metaperl | blahdebla1: thanks |
| 10:12.39 | deadline | can somebody tell me how to build this package: linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6_1.18.tar.gz ? |
| 10:12.52 | kevix | erigf: if the mobo is old, maybe the backup battery is dead? |
| 10:13.04 | blahdebla1 | metaperl: apt-cache search gnome-config is another good one to use when the package isn't already installed on your machine |
| 10:13.14 | Gnea | deadline: uncompress it and read the README file contained within |
| 10:13.23 | deadline | Gnea: there is no README |
| 10:13.31 | Gnea | what? |
| 10:13.37 | deadline | Gnea: there is no README |
| 10:13.49 | Gnea | deadline: heh.. where did you get this? |
| 10:13.53 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: Using IPs when you've got DNS is evil. ;-) |
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| 10:14.05 | deadline | Gnea: from some debian mirror |
| 10:14.15 | Gnea | deadline: which is..? |
| 10:14.20 | JJK | blahdebla1, sure ;) |
| 10:14.20 | deadline | Gnea: do you know what the purpose if this package is? |
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| 10:14.30 | kevix | deadline: that's a debian-installer file... |
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| 10:14.49 | deadline | Gnea: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6 |
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| 10:14.59 | deadline | kevix: yes right, have you ever built it? |
| 10:15.41 | kevix | deadline: no. are you sure you dont want a regular linux-image file? |
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| 10:16.12 | xNinja | hello...how to do this Recompile PHP with MySQL support. |
| 10:16.17 | deadline | kevix: yes im trying to build an own debian installer |
| 10:16.23 | Zvpun | why is Maelstrom in non-free if it is released unter GPL? |
| 10:16.56 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, damn, set -x now gives me a lot of output.... http://pastebin.com/489956 |
| 10:17.07 | SimonRaven | xNinja: you don't have to. install php*-mysql |
| 10:17.15 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: That's the idea. ;-) |
| 10:17.24 | SimonRaven | Zvpun: ask the DD |
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| 10:18.02 | xNinja | SimonRaven what to do then |
| 10:18.16 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: It's not all there - keep pasting until you get to the part with the error messages |
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| 10:18.36 | deadline | can *anybody* help me to build these binaries please? |
| 10:18.48 | Gnea | deadline: hold your horses! |
| 10:19.00 | SimonRaven | xNinja: i just told you. read |
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| 10:19.38 | ideafix | lol |
| 10:19.38 | xNinja | ooh ok :D |
| 10:19.59 | ideafix | im somling a joint |
| 10:20.02 | Gnea | deadline: ok, what you've got there is a metapackage that builds modules for 2.6.14-2, there's no source there |
| 10:20.06 | ideafix | im somking a joint |
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| 10:20.22 | xNinja | E: Couldn't find package php*-mysql |
| 10:20.29 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, damn pastebin... here it is : http://pastebin.com/489960 |
| 10:20.47 | ideafix | fu pigs |
| 10:20.50 | SimonRaven | xNinja: the * is a wildcard stands for the version of php you have installed (i.e., 4 or 5) |
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| 10:20.54 | Gnea | !troll ideafix |
| 10:21.01 | ideafix | FUCK YOU PIGS |
| 10:21.11 | kevix | deadline: your best bet, go to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller |
| 10:21.14 | SimonRaven | i still have one on /ig |
| 10:21.19 | SimonRaven | that one* |
| 10:21.34 | xNinja | SimonRaven can u tellme how to check wich version of php i am using ? |
| 10:21.47 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: ls -l /etc/alternatives/awk |
| 10:21.55 | Gnea | !ops ideafix is spamming, in all caps, is off-topic |
| 10:21.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ideafix is spamming, in all caps, is off-topic |
| 10:22.02 | ideafix | FUCK YOU PIGS |
| 10:22.04 | SWAT_work | ideafix, damn.... you can't handle your weed, can you ? |
| 10:22.07 | ideafix | FUCK YOU PIGS |
| 10:22.12 | SWAT_work | kick ideafix |
| 10:22.14 | Gnea | !noob |
| 10:22.14 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 10:22.25 | deadline | kevix: thanks. i am not sure about the second part in the howto...have you done it yourself? |
| 10:22.42 | deadline | !boon |
| 10:22.54 | xNinja | php4-mysql is already the newest version. |
| 10:23.03 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, http://pastebin.com/489962 |
| 10:23.19 | SimonRaven | xNinja: if you don't know, you're probably using php4 |
| 10:23.22 | rvalles | hey |
| 10:23.30 | Gnea | ideafix: what's wrong, weed made ya go limp? |
| 10:23.32 | SimonRaven | xNinja: check with dpkg -l 'php*' |
| 10:23.32 | xNinja | i got it and now its working thanks:D |
| 10:23.33 | rvalles | dist-upgrade on unstable |
| 10:23.37 | rvalles | wants to remove "base-config" |
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| 10:23.42 | kevix | deadline: no I, but if you have more question, you can try debian-devel list or similar. |
| 10:23.44 | rvalles | should I say yes? |
| 10:24.05 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, sorry, made a typo... http://pastebin.com/489964 |
| 10:24.07 | rvalles | or something is broken, and I should not? |
| 10:24.19 | ideafix | Gnea: IS A PIG |
| 10:24.38 | SWAT_work | and I'm a LEO :) |
| 10:25.04 | kevix | rvalles: I heard it will, it does no harm, except if you want to rerun the basic setup script. |
| 10:25.15 | deadline | kevix: ok thanks so far. *maybe* you could try to read the part which makes me problem. i just have a "understanding" problem. ? |
| 10:25.27 | ideafix | SWAT_work IS A PIG |
| 10:25.37 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: something is *very* wrong with your awk. It should show something like: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Dec 17 2004 /etc/alternatives/awk -> /usr/bin/gawk* |
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| 10:25.55 | rvalles | kevix: ok, I'm letting aptitude continue, then |
| 10:26.13 | c_k | Hi all, I am needing to effectiely bounce port 25 and 110 from one IP to another, is this easily done and if so how |
| 10:26.20 | jeffsmith | Zvpun: Maelstrom game source is GPL, but artwork/sounds are not http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/m/maelstrom/maelstrom_1.4.3-L3.0.6-6/maelstrom.copyright |
| 10:26.35 | Gnea | ideafix: you wish |
| 10:26.35 | SimonRaven | xNinja: :) |
| 10:26.49 | aeg | Where does "Configuring locales" write the system wide default locale ? |
| 10:26.50 | Gnea | !ops ideafix is trolling massively |
| 10:26.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ideafix is trolling massively |
| 10:26.55 | ideafix | FUCK YOU PIGS |
| 10:26.58 | ideafix | FUCK YOU PIGS |
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| 10:27.15 | PHPCleaner | lol |
| 10:27.24 | Gnea | this is hilarious |
| 10:27.26 | PHPCleaner | ideafix: how lame ;] |
| 10:27.26 | Ronin | Gnea: you forgot to add poorly too |
| 10:27.28 | ideafix | FUCK YOU PIGS |
| 10:27.33 | GregorR-L | Umm. |
| 10:27.34 | blahdebla1 | dpkg is so insightful. |
| 10:27.48 | GregorR-L | Wish I'd seen the beginning of this conversation ... |
| 10:27.50 | hollywoodstar | hm |
| 10:27.56 | PHPCleaner | ideafix: you could at least be creative |
| 10:27.58 | ideafix | FUCK YOU PIGS |
| 10:28.01 | Gnea | Ronin: sorry about that |
| 10:28.07 | PHPCleaner | i mean, we *have* mothers, yaknow? ;] |
| 10:28.44 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, how can I fix this? |
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| 10:28.51 | ideafix | PHPCleaner: YUO HAVE YOUR MOMS NAKED PICTURE ? |
| 10:28.56 | deadline | does someody know, how to get terminal colors in vt100 term ? |
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| 10:29.01 | jm_ | c_k: read iptables tutorial, there are also user space tools that can do the job |
| 10:29.03 | PHPCleaner | lol |
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| 10:29.05 | SWAT_work | ideafix, at least we dtuch can hold our weed :) |
| 10:29.10 | PHPCleaner | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 10:29.13 | SWAT_work | s/dtuch/dutch |
| 10:29.17 | deadline | SWAT_work: :D |
| 10:29.17 | PHPCleaner | lol |
| 10:29.20 | SWAT_work | YES, thanks guys |
| 10:29.27 | blahdebla1 | dondelelcaro: "you should know better" - doesn't sound like it. :-) Thanks. |
| 10:29.27 | deadline | smokuhhh |
| 10:29.33 | SWAT_work | ideafix, was very..... annoying |
| 10:29.34 | SimonRaven | i have the twit on /ignore, must be missing something if people are amused. but probably not. so who cares |
| 10:29.46 | PHPCleaner | SimonRaven: not really |
| 10:29.46 | Ronin | SimonRaven: not really |
| 10:29.51 | SWAT_work | SimonRaven, not really |
| 10:29.53 | kevix | aeg: /etc/locale.gen I think |
| 10:29.56 | PHPCleaner | lol |
| 10:30.11 | GregorR-L | Hah, this client shows him as "parting" and the "parting" being "requested by" dondelelcaro :P |
| 10:30.16 | GregorR-L | That's a PC way to say he was kicked. |
| 10:30.26 | PHPCleaner | LOL |
| 10:30.38 | GregorR-L | I'm trying out a few. |
| 10:30.47 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: does your /etc/alternatives/awk *really* start with a question mark, or is that just some Dutch character set thingy |
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| 10:31.07 | PHPCleaner | hmm, gigantor just came on, must be time for bed |
| 10:31.23 | deadline | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.28 | aeg | kevix: /etc/locale.gen only holds the locales to generate .. i checked that one |
| 10:31.38 | deadline | !mantra |
| 10:31.47 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, uhm, I just logged in through SSH (and I use english all the time). And we dutch don't have a strange character thingie (you mean the french ;)) |
| 10:32.03 | SWAT_work | so it's there, don't know why |
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| 10:32.15 | kevix | aeg: what did you want? |
| 10:32.30 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1,maybe I need to chmod it? (777 ?) |
| 10:32.36 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: I didn't know what character set you might be using, so i thought it best to check. |
| 10:32.45 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: re: chmod - no. |
| 10:33.00 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: just delete it and make another symlink to /usr/bin/gawk |
| 10:33.16 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: or move it aside rather than deleting, if you want to be really safe |
| 10:33.18 | Zvpun | deadline: you can use this for version numbers |
| 10:33.35 | Zvpun | deadline: you can just try and see, nothing gets broken when compiling kernels |
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| 10:34.23 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, I do mv awk awk.old... operation not permitted (I'm fucking root) |
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| 10:34.29 | spotted | Hello |
| 10:34.32 | aeg | kevix: it is en_US what gave me the ISO date format ... by setting it to "None" i fixed my problem ... now i only wanne understand how the locales work and if en_US allways gave a ISO date format |
| 10:34.39 | spotted | Is it possible to use sawfish instead of metacity on gnome? |
| 10:34.40 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: not sounding promising - rm? |
| 10:34.47 | spotted | What is suggested to use? |
| 10:34.47 | SWAT_work | I'll try |
| 10:34.54 | c_k | thanks jm_ I willt ake a look |
| 10:35.08 | PHPCleaner | SWAT_work: cp, then rm ;] |
| 10:35.20 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, rm: remove write-protected weird file `awk'? yes... rm: cannot remove `awk': Operation not permitted |
| 10:35.31 | PHPCleaner | altho, if you can't mv it, rm won't work either, prolly |
| 10:35.35 | SWAT_work | PHPCleaner, cp didn't work either |
| 10:35.39 | blahdebla1 | spotted: I'm sure you could get sawfish to work. I use icewm with the standard gnome otherwise |
| 10:35.50 | _BlueTurtle_ | SWAT, what does "lsattr awk" output? |
| 10:35.50 | PHPCleaner | hmm |
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| 10:35.57 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: That's some really strange file. |
| 10:35.59 | spotted | How do I tell gnome to use sawfish instead of gnomecity? |
| 10:36.02 | Zvpun | SWAT_work: do you have a rootkit installed? |
| 10:36.10 | PHPCleaner | SWAT_work: have you tried a hammer? ;] |
| 10:36.21 | spotted | I know there's the way to select which one it has to use... |
| 10:36.22 | _BlueTurtle_ | SWAT_work, what does "lsattr awk" output? |
| 10:36.24 | blahdebla1 | Zvpun/PHPCleaner: must be something like that... |
| 10:36.46 | SWAT_work | Zvpun, not AFAIK (I just installed it a few days ago and it was powered-down almost all the time) |
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| 10:37.16 | SWAT_work | _BlueTurtle_, "lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on awk" |
| 10:37.19 | Zvpun | SWAT_work: well if your system is hacked I would reinstall |
| 10:37.41 | PHPCleaner | SWAT_work: fsck'ed lately? |
| 10:37.47 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: boot in single user and run fsck |
| 10:38.23 | spotted | How do I set the window manager on gnome? |
| 10:38.33 | SWAT_work | didn't check lately no |
| 10:38.50 | _BlueTurtle_ | SWAT_work, "shutdown -r -time now -F" |
| 10:39.02 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, how do I do that? just log in as root and then run it? |
| 10:39.06 | PHPCleaner | SWAT_work: I have my doubts as to how much good it'll do, but it's worth a try |
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| 10:39.21 | SWAT_work | ow... hehehe, _BlueTurtle_ thanks, isn't that the normal command? :D |
| 10:39.34 | _BlueTurtle_ | SWAT_work, -F forces fsck on reboot |
| 10:40.07 | SWAT_work | OK, because I'm remote here. |
| 10:40.14 | SWAT_work | I'm hoping my machne will go up again :P |
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| 10:40.25 | _BlueTurtle_ | it will unless something fails at boot time |
| 10:40.38 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: What _BlueTurtle_ said. I wouldn't expect it to come up again with strange stuff like that happening. |
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| 10:40.44 | PHPCleaner | ya |
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| 10:41.00 | SWAT_work | OK, did it. Now I wait |
| 10:41.10 | PHPCleaner | SWAT_work: you have a serial console? |
| 10:41.26 | SWAT_work | no, SSH (now) and tonight physical access |
| 10:41.28 | _BlueTurtle_ | could it be a hdd gone bad? |
| 10:41.31 | PHPCleaner | oic |
| 10:41.53 | PHPCleaner | heh, it'll probably be wanting someone to hit 'y' here soon ;] |
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| 10:42.26 | deadcat | does sbc dsl require a relay server for mail? |
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| 10:42.42 | deadcat | sbc/pacbell |
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| 10:43.48 | Gnea | deadcat: yeah, you gotta use theirs |
| 10:43.54 | deadcat | ah |
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| 10:44.12 | deadcat | Gnea: i was using dslextreme as my ISP. but my contract expired |
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| 10:44.16 | Bert- | yeeeahhh |
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| 10:44.23 | Bert- | the updated version looks great !! :) |
| 10:44.25 | PHPCleaner | deadcat: putting your Q into google, 2nd line had the answer ;] |
| 10:44.32 | PHPCleaner | bedtime, later |
| 10:44.34 | deadcat | PHPCleaner: thanks |
| 10:44.37 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, PHPCleaner, _BlueTurtle_, thanks for your help. Maybe it's the HD, I don't know. It's just freaking strange... :-| |
| 10:44.46 | SWAT_work | PHPCleaner, nn |
| 10:44.50 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: indeed ;-) |
| 10:45.01 | SWAT_work | Hmmmm... Voodoo hardware! |
| 10:45.27 | _BlueTurtle_ | SWAT_work, still not working eh? |
| 10:45.27 | deadline | can somebody give me explanation to this please: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/devel/available-hooks.txt |
| 10:45.36 | SWAT_work | I'll go check in a few minutes |
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| 10:45.46 | SWAT_work | rebooting takes long (even when I started my old kernel0 |
| 10:46.01 | _BlueTurtle_ | okay |
| 10:46.02 | fireba11 | hm .. kernel.org is dead right now ^^ someone tell the server guru ^^ |
| 10:46.52 | EdLin | 2.4.15 in sid is borked |
| 10:47.05 | EdLin | 2.6.15 I mean |
| 10:47.11 | Gnea | figures |
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| 10:47.20 | blahdebla1 | fireba11: Maybe MS finally did a rootkit job on Linus. ;-) |
| 10:47.26 | pbrunier | lol |
| 10:47.29 | EdLin | at least this time it didn't over-write my working kernel |
| 10:47.48 | nayyares | when ever i run xchat, i come to both #debian and #fedora, but i am unable to understand, that when ever i come to debian people always talk and they are beasy in discussion, while in #fedora every body is so quite. is there any special reason? |
| 10:48.20 | pbrunier | Has to do with the sort of people on the channels |
| 10:48.20 | EdLin | nayyares: we're smarter ;) |
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| 10:49.18 | nayyares | EdLin, no, in fact there is a big user base of fedora as well, and most of them come to #fedora, but they d'nt talk :( |
| 10:49.19 | kevix | nayyares: debian's community is 12 years old, fedora 1+ years |
| 10:50.04 | SimonRaven | fireba11: ftp still work |
| 10:50.08 | SimonRaven | s |
| 10:50.10 | EdLin | nayyares: ##linux talks |
| 10:50.33 | SimonRaven | ftp://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.15 |
| 10:50.44 | kevix | EdLin: if you are in NYC, RMS is talking. see http://www.gnubies.org for details |
| 10:50.49 | blahdebla1 | EdLin: 'when ##linux talks, people listen' :-D |
| 10:51.16 | SimonRaven | not really |
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| 10:53.03 | row | Hi: I have a NEC dvdrw been working fine in debian for ages, but k3b would not open and stuff so did a reboot and when the ide-cd module is loaded at boot and access the dvdrw it halts, removed boots fine, is there a different module I can use with same effects for a dvdrom and dvdrw drive setup? |
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| 10:53.59 | luke_ | trying to use totem to play DVD, however I recieve this error libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. |
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| 10:54.26 | boguh | how can i use wget with a proxy? |
| 10:54.31 | luke_ | think I have installed all that I need |
| 10:54.35 | hns | luke_, you need libdvdcss2 |
| 10:54.54 | EdLin | kevix: I'm not sure if I can go to anywhere by 6:30PM, but thanks anyway. |
| 10:54.55 | common | row |
| 10:55.02 | common | checkout nero4linux |
| 10:55.03 | nanok | boguh: man wget |
| 10:55.05 | SWAT_work | blahdebla1, my pc didn't came back up again. Have to wait till notight. Thanks for all the help though |
| 10:55.09 | si0ux | hi |
| 10:55.30 | kevix | EdLin: pass it on, if you can. Thankxs |
| 10:55.38 | row | common: its ide-cd causing the issue, does not let system boot with dvdrw drive plugged in now, not sure if its fried but odds are low. |
| 10:55.46 | row | common: but I will ta |
| 10:55.48 | blahdebla1 | SWAT_work: Good to see my prophetic gift is not waning... ;-) |
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| 10:56.12 | nanok | row: try toboot a cd.. |
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| 10:56.20 | luke_ | hns Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 10:56.21 | nanok | row: to boot |
| 10:56.25 | row | nanok good idea |
| 10:56.26 | Jeeves_moss | All: wow, I'm up late. |
| 10:56.33 | BlueWings | SWAT_work, that is sad to hear, I hope it is not any serious data loss |
| 10:56.49 | hns | luke_, it is in the marillat repos |
| 10:56.50 | Jeeves_moss | All: is fooz still here? |
| 10:57.04 | blahdebla1 | boguh: export http_proxy=http://proxyhost:port |
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| 10:57.11 | EdLin | luke_: sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh |
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| 10:57.26 | luke_ | ok will try that |
| 10:57.28 | EdLin | hns: you don't *need* marillat for just this file |
| 10:57.34 | nanok | boguh: also, man bashrc/bashprofile |
| 10:57.45 | Jeeves_moss | all: any one here handy with a tape drive or know the command to verify (format) the tape in the drive? |
| 10:57.46 | hns | i noticed it, thanks |
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| 10:57.53 | Guerin | blahdebla1: trailing / is also required for some applications |
| 10:58.09 | Jeeves_moss | dpkg: you alive? |
| 10:58.20 | luke_ | cool EdLin , just ran that command. what exactly did that do? |
| 10:58.52 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: try to modprobe all of these to see if you get acpi:video,thermal,fan,container,button,battery,ac,processor |
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| 10:59.07 | EdLin | luke_: download the deb and install it |
| 10:59.13 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: didden't think you'd still be here. |
| 10:59.19 | row | nanok: boots fine |
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| 10:59.23 | luke_ | cool |
| 10:59.32 | row | so ide-cd is broken or something :/ |
| 10:59.38 | row | maybe a kernel update would help |
| 10:59.49 | Gnea | row: not likely - what kernel is that? |
| 11:00.02 | row | 2.6.12 |
| 11:00.05 | row | on unstable |
| 11:00.10 | Gnea | should be fine |
| 11:00.10 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: I still can't find that switch to make the server shut down properly. I modprobed and it shows acpi is installed. |
| 11:00.13 | nanok | row: than apearently the drive i not fried ;). does it boot into a linux system? if it does, there is prolly smth wrong with your own |
| 11:00.13 | Gnea | could be the drive |
| 11:00.15 | row | it would use new module then tho? |
| 11:00.19 | blahdebla1 | Guerin: good point |
| 11:00.28 | luke_ | thanks EdLin hns... dvd works now :) |
| 11:00.29 | row | odd |
| 11:00.35 | row | it booted now I think |
| 11:00.38 | row | shit |
| 11:00.40 | row | random |
| 11:00.45 | Gnea | row: can you boot a cd or dvd with it? |
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| 11:00.51 | row | used xp boot cd to test and then try nix and it booted into debian |
| 11:00.59 | Gnea | lol |
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| 11:01.11 | row | never heard of m$ fixing shit :O |
| 11:01.29 | Jeeves_moss | kivix: you still here? |
| 11:01.29 | Gnea | even recently |
| 11:01.34 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: if you have acpi, then halt or shutdown -h now should do it. |
| 11:01.40 | pbrunier | GPG error: http://ftp.nl.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 11:01.45 | pbrunier | hmmm |
| 11:01.49 | row | ah no k3b seems dead on scanning for cd devices |
| 11:01.51 | row | :( |
| 11:01.58 | Gnea | pbrunier: yeah i got the same thing just now, i'm checking it out |
| 11:02.09 | nanok | !ke y2006 |
| 11:02.09 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: I normaly use "halt" and it goes through its stuff, then shows "power down" still |
| 11:02.15 | nanok | !key 2006 |
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| 11:02.31 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: for this to work on reboot, you need to add the modules to /etc/modules |
| 11:02.53 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: ok, how do I do that? (brb, gotta restart it) |
| 11:02.53 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: maybe you need to check the bios? |
| 11:03.00 | Gnea | i think there's a new method for all of this |
| 11:03.02 | row | why is it doing this :( |
| 11:03.03 | nanok | row: cdrecord -scanbus |
| 11:03.06 | nanok | row: iirc |
| 11:03.06 | Gnea | i'll have it verified in a few |
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| 11:03.50 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: lol bios. ummmm, a prolient server's bios is locked down tighter than a virgin's panties on prom night. |
| 11:03.52 | Gnea | pbrunier: do you have the apt-key command? |
| 11:04.06 | pbrunier | yep |
| 11:04.25 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: I wonder if there is something in grub. |
| 11:04.51 | Gnea | i just read the manpage and am adding keys - looks like there's one that expires at the end of this month and a lot of stale keys |
| 11:05.21 | pbrunier | I have 3 keys |
| 11:05.31 | row | nanok: http://pastebin.com/489989 |
| 11:05.35 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: hmm. dont think grub affects it. the first step is getting the acpi modules loaded. not sure what to do beyond that. |
| 11:05.38 | Gnea | man apt-key :) |
| 11:05.43 | pbrunier | one expired last year, one on the 31th of this month and one in april |
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| 11:05.49 | Gnea | yup |
| 11:05.50 | pbrunier | last yeart |
| 11:06.18 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: ok, once this slow system is booted, what should I do? |
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| 11:07.27 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: not sure. It ususally 'works'. if not,ask someone with more acpi clueness. |
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| 11:07.38 | nanok | row: hm..not good |
| 11:07.43 | nanok | dunno what to say.. |
| 11:07.52 | row | :/ |
| 11:07.54 | row | oh dear |
| 11:07.55 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: ok, I'll google. any ideas on the NTP stuff? its still living in 1992 |
| 11:08.02 | row | my harddrives are full too! |
| 11:08.08 | row | I need to burn stuff :'( |
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| 11:08.58 | kevix | row: just delete some porn! x-) or log files! |
| 11:09.05 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: I think it was as simple as apt-get install acpi |
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| 11:09.11 | gpo | hi all |
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| 11:09.15 | Gnea | row: oh... what's the actual devicename? /dev/hda? |
| 11:09.27 | olczyk | Hi. When I rebuilt my kernel, I may not have made it smp. how can I tell how many processors the kernel is using? |
| 11:09.40 | Gnea | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:09.49 | Guerin | olczyk: use a debian kernel |
| 11:09.49 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: there are a few acpi tools: 'apt-cache search acpi' for more |
| 11:09.52 | gpo | i'm building a debian package of amule 2.1 from sources and i would know how can i know all the dependences i need to specify in debian/control file ? |
| 11:10.27 | Guerin | gpo: #debian-mentors |
| 11:10.30 | Gnea | gpo: look at the dependancies of the standard amule package |
| 11:10.35 | Guerin | gpo: amule is in debian, though. |
| 11:10.37 | row | Gnea: hdd |
| 11:10.50 | pbrunier | Gnea: Do you have it working ? |
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| 11:11.20 | kevix | gpo: apt-cache show amule |
| 11:11.27 | Gnea | pbrunier: not yet, it's loading up 13megs worth of keys right now, it's almost at 7megs |
| 11:11.41 | pbrunier | which command did you use ? |
| 11:11.52 | Guerin | of course, the dependencies of a package are reliant on what you ./configure with |
| 11:12.07 | Guerin | so looking at the debian amule deps may not give you a correct list for what you need |
| 11:12.24 | gpo | not this version |
| 11:12.47 | gpo | kevix, gnea : that new version needs extra package from the old version |
| 11:13.21 | olczyk | Is today some sort of blind appreciation day? |
| 11:13.22 | gpo | Guerin : is there a good thing to find the dependency ? |
| 11:13.52 | kevix | olczyk: google says its louise braille b'day |
| 11:14.02 | Gnea | row: cdrecord -dev=ATA:1,1,0 -scanbus |
| 11:14.13 | olczyk | WEll that explains google. |
| 11:14.24 | Gnea | gpo: do you know what packages those are? |
| 11:14.27 | SimonRaven | louis |
| 11:14.31 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: no one in this place knew what the google picture was today. It took me half a sip of my rum and coke to figure it out |
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| 11:14.44 | Guerin | gpo: i already told you; also read the nm guide |
| 11:14.45 | Gnea | pbrunier: almost 8megs |
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| 11:15.25 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: will redCrap stuff work on Debian? |
| 11:15.30 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: I cheated, I viewd google with a text browser. |
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| 11:15.42 | gpo | k thanks |
| 11:15.52 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: well, that seprates us. I'm allowed to drink @ work |
| 11:16.01 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: redCrap? what praytell is that?? |
| 11:16.12 | Jeeves_moss | RedCrap = RedHat |
| 11:16.23 | Guerin | Jeeves_moss: you misspelt DeadRat |
| 11:16.25 | row | Gnea: http://pastebin.com/489996 |
| 11:16.31 | SimonRaven | deadrat |
| 11:16.58 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: well you can use 'alien' to be safe, if it isn't in debian. |
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| 11:17.08 | Jeeves_moss | Guerin: yea. I'm having problems in school. But I'm drinking @ an accerleated level! |
| 11:17.09 | Guerin | um |
| 11:17.21 | QUACH-VU | hello how can i uninstall a package of debian ? thx |
| 11:17.21 | Guerin | alien isn't safe unless you use prefix=/opt |
| 11:17.29 | Guerin | !pkgmgmt |
| 11:17.29 | dpkg | methinks pkgmgmt is Debian Package Management - Most Important Commands: http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or 'man apt-get'; 'man apt-cache', or apt-get install apt-dpkg-ref, or ask me about apt howto |
| 11:17.33 | Guerin | QUACH-VU: ^ |
| 11:17.49 | Guerin | Jeeves_moss: that's what skool is all about |
| 11:17.52 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: one subject where the exam is easy! |
| 11:18.01 | Gnea | row: cdrecord dev=ATAPI:1,2,0 -scanbus |
| 11:18.32 | row | scsibus0: |
| 11:18.32 | row | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.33 | row | \o/ |
| 11:18.38 | Guerin | kevix: the examm is easy, but the practical is *hard* |
| 11:18.48 | Gnea | ATAPI:0,0,0 is your device :) |
| 11:18.53 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: lol. untill I went to college the first time, I was a lightweight. When I got back, my old man opened a 26er of cuban rum and said we don't leave till its gone. I grabbed the bottle for my self, and proceeded to ~try~ to put him under the table. |
| 11:19.10 | row | Gnea: so how do I correct where hdd is pointing then? |
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| 11:19.31 | Gnea | row: you don't - edit /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord |
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| 11:19.36 | row | ah k |
| 11:19.58 | Gnea | and add a definition for your device |
| 11:20.17 | Jeeves_moss | Guerin: I have this rule in my side busniess. Your alowed to drink @ the office provided that you can still walk/talk normaly, there is no customers in the shop, and that your not driving drunk. Thankfully I work from home, so the boss is usaly smashed by 5pm |
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| 11:20.26 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: maybe join a frat and get more practice... |
| 11:21.08 | row | Gnea: "cdrom 0,0,0 -1 -1 -1" |
| 11:21.08 | row | do I need to set burnfree or will it work that out? |
| 11:21.08 | Anyone | tarzeau, card works now with tvtime (NOT with xawtv though, but tvtime seems ok). Thank you for your help. :-) |
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| 11:21.17 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: actuly I need to find out how to see if this tape drive likes the tape I stuffed in it and to do a test back up. ideas? |
| 11:21.40 | Gnea | row: make that cdrom= ATAPI:0,0,0 -1 -1 "" |
| 11:21.42 | Anyone | I have one more request: How do I get the remote control working? |
| 11:21.44 | Jeeves_moss | guerin: you any good with tape backups? |
| 11:21.52 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: 'man tar' would be a start, followd by a good google. |
| 11:21.55 | Guerin | Jeeves_moss: not at all. |
| 11:22.00 | Gnea | Anyone: lirc |
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| 11:22.14 | Gnea | wooo 10 megs |
| 11:22.14 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: your a lot of help tonight. I tried that one allready. |
| 11:22.20 | Jeeves_moss | Guerin: thanks again. |
| 11:22.23 | pbrunier | Gnea: Did you download debian-keyrong ? |
| 11:22.25 | pbrunier | i |
| 11:22.34 | Gnea | pbrunier: sure did |
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| 11:23.04 | Anyone | Gnea, what about debian-keyring? |
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| 11:23.11 | Gnea | lol |
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| 11:23.14 | Anyone | :-) |
| 11:23.18 | nykheyn | hello, i've buied a LG mobile phone , do you know softwares that permit me to manage contents? |
| 11:23.18 | Zvpun | I run testing and want to have k3b + kdebluetooth. Since there is no k3b in testing (for weeks now) I installed k3b from stable. I understand that in principle I have to wait for k3b entering testing but I need a workaround now. Any suggestions what I meight try? |
| 11:23.21 | Gnea | !beer Anyone |
| 11:23.26 | Anyone | Thanks :-) |
| 11:23.36 | Gnea | nykheyn: bitpim.sf.net |
| 11:23.38 | Jeeves_moss | All: I want my Ubuntu laptop back.. :-( |
| 11:23.52 | Zvpun | Oh I missed the part that when trying to install kdebluetooth, k3b is removed |
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| 11:24.33 | Anyone | I don't know that brand of beer though. ;_) |
| 11:24.42 | nykheyn | thanks gnea. |
| 11:25.05 | Gnea | nykheyn: np, i gotta get a new cable so i can use it again :) |
| 11:25.31 | Gnea | Anyone: it's beer. drink it, stfu and be happy ;) |
| 11:25.40 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: I'm perusing www.linux-backup.net for any ideas |
| 11:25.45 | Gnea | at least it's not coors |
| 11:26.02 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: yolinux.com is kinda cool for n00bs |
| 11:26.03 | Gnea | hehehe |
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| 11:26.56 | kevix | Jeeves_moss: www.linux-backup.net seems good for a start. |
| 11:27.20 | row | Gnea: k3b still sticks on scanningfor cd devices. :/ |
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| 11:27.28 | RichiH | great |
| 11:27.46 | RichiH | ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable has a new key and there is no new keyring |
| 11:27.48 | Gnea | row: you running it as root? |
| 11:27.58 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: k, thanks. I'm not sure if you caught what I was looking for a while a go. I'd like this system to do a auto back-up ever so many hours, then when the tape is full for it to spit out the tape. Then when I toss in a new one, it'll erease the old tape, and start new again. |
| 11:27.58 | Gnea | RichiH: welcome to the club |
| 11:28.07 | row | not at the moment no |
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| 11:28.10 | Gnea | RichiH: i'm trying to solve that now |
| 11:28.28 | Gnea | row: just su to root and type k3b |
| 11:28.33 | RichiH | Gnea: well, the 'solution' is to just trust the server |
| 11:28.44 | RichiH | but for obvious reasons, that's not good ;) |
| 11:29.04 | Gnea | RichiH: well yeah, but i'm working on the *real* solution ;) |
| 11:29.11 | row | Gnea: same result |
| 11:29.11 | RichiH | there should be a policy to forbid new keys unless they have been in the keyring for a month or two ;) |
| 11:29.17 | RichiH | Gnea: oh, ok |
| 11:29.17 | Gnea | row: settings->k3bsetup |
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| 11:29.24 | RichiH | Gnea: what are you doing? |
| 11:29.29 | row | ah k rerun it |
| 11:29.34 | Gnea | RichiH: checking out apt-key and debian-keyring |
| 11:30.56 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: ok this is good, but it dosen't actuly move it to the tape |
| 11:30.59 | row | meh now k3bsetup wont even start, think its due to defunc k3b procs that will not die |
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| 11:31.15 | Gnea | uhm |
| 11:31.26 | Gnea | yeah, you should only have one instance of k3b running |
| 11:31.45 | Guerin | row: restarting your x session should kill them |
| 11:31.46 | row | and scanbus on cdrecord stuck at: |
| 11:31.46 | row | cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial version of libscg (ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1 '@(#)scsitransp.c 1.91 04/06/17 Copyright 1988,1995,2000-2004 J. Schilling'). |
| 11:31.46 | row | scsibus0: |
| 11:31.54 | row | wtf ubuntu... |
| 11:31.56 | row | o_O |
| 11:31.59 | Guerin | or just the process from which you started them |
| 11:32.02 | Gnea | !?! |
| 11:32.08 | Guerin | not surprising |
| 11:32.10 | row | thats a apt-get package on a real debian |
| 11:32.12 | dondelelcaro | row: that's just the version libscg |
| 11:32.12 | row | +setup |
| 11:32.13 | row | wtf |
| 11:32.16 | row | ah k |
| 11:32.25 | Guerin | ubuntu feeds a bunch of bugfixes back into debian |
| 11:32.33 | row | ah |
| 11:32.45 | Gnea | metaperl: 'cleaner', you say... heh |
| 11:32.51 | Jeeves_moss | all: check it out. fourceforge.net is screwy tonight. http://qref.sourceforge.net/qref/quick-reference.html/examples/backup |
| 11:32.56 | row | I am going to get a cup of tea brb |
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| 11:33.01 | metaperl | Gnea: ok, "crisper" --- how's that? :) |
| 11:33.03 | Guerin | which is why all the people who say it's a leech distro are trolling or uninformed |
| 11:33.21 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: it goes both ways... |
| 11:33.28 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: it does. |
| 11:33.49 | Gnea | metaperl: sorry, i have a problem using a WM/DE who's authors assume that everyone and their mother is an unintelligent twat :) |
| 11:34.02 | metaperl | Gnea: what do you use? |
| 11:34.08 | Gnea | E17 |
| 11:34.10 | metaperl | my boss used EvilWM |
| 11:34.16 | metaperl | Gnea: is that enlightenment? |
| 11:34.20 | Gnea | yeah |
| 11:34.23 | metaperl | hmmm |
| 11:34.26 | Gnea | it's the new one, still in development |
| 11:34.35 | metaperl | what's the best way to try that out? I just want the Debian/testing package |
| 11:34.38 | Gnea | but they've been on a roll for the better part of last year |
| 11:34.43 | Gnea | !dr17 |
| 11:34.43 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
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| 11:35.00 | Jeeves_moss | kevix: it looks like amanda is going to be the soulition |
| 11:35.05 | metaperl | if I cant apt-get install it, then forget it :) |
| 11:35.07 | Guerin | evilwm is awesome |
| 11:35.38 | Guerin | metaperl: DR == developer release |
| 11:35.45 | Guerin | been that way for years now |
| 11:35.54 | Guerin | only recently become even remotely usable |
| 11:36.07 | Gnea | yeah |
| 11:36.08 | row | Gnea: I can't even get k3bsetup to start, even when logged into x with root :/ |
| 11:36.13 | row | after a reboot! |
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| 11:36.24 | Gnea | row: uhm, run it from within k3b |
| 11:36.30 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:36.31 | row | I can't start k3b |
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| 11:36.39 | Gnea | well uhm |
| 11:36.43 | row | it dies on scanning for cd devices |
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| 11:36.53 | row | and so does cdrecord |
| 11:37.04 | row | ah one sec |
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| 11:37.29 | level100 | is anyone ever run idcard printer on linux |
| 11:37.56 | Gnea | row: you sure the original line in /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord said cdrom and not cdrom=? |
| 11:38.15 | row | it said cdrom= and I put it as cdrom= liek you pasted |
| 11:38.23 | Gnea | row: what's the make/model? |
| 11:38.24 | row | #cdrom= /dev/cdrom -1 -1 burnfree |
| 11:38.25 | row | cdrom= ATAPI:0,0,0 -1 -1 "" |
| 11:38.39 | row | a nec dvdrw |
| 11:38.44 | row | err I forget which one |
| 11:39.00 | row | 16x iirc + dl |
| 11:39.32 | djp | i am attempting to run the escputil package, a head-cleaning utility for epson printers. it currently tells me that permission is denied when trying to access /dev/lp0. i gather i should run the command with sudo. my question is, is it better to run escputil using sudo or give myself priviliges for printing? if the later is the case, what group should i add myself? |
| 11:40.03 | Anyone | level100, no, why? |
| 11:40.14 | Gnea | dude, cdrecord scan will tell you |
| 11:40.31 | row | cdrecord does not crash anymore tho |
| 11:40.35 | Anyone | level100, I don't even know what it is. |
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| 11:40.49 | Gnea | ND-3500AG |
| 11:40.51 | row | but does not tell me test |
| 11:41.05 | row | wtf is wrong with my typing today :/ |
| 11:42.25 | row | cdrecord dev=ATAPI:1,2,0 -scanbus <-- crashes it |
| 11:43.27 | Gnea | ok, put the other line back then |
| 11:43.37 | Gnea | brb |
| 11:43.49 | level100 | Anyone: iam searching id card printer that can run on linux, but all the product only can run with xp or win98 |
| 11:45.48 | row | Gnea: what options do you recon I have left? |
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| 11:46.25 | Deepa | err |
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| 11:50.14 | unsolo | hmm i ran apt-get install phpbb2 but i cant find the folder where it ended up |
| 11:50.41 | Guerin | unsolo: dpkg -L phpbb2 |
| 11:50.46 | Gnea | row: not sure, did you restore the original cdrom= line? |
| 11:50.51 | unsolo | tnx |
| 11:50.52 | Guerin | unsolo: it doesn't 'end up' in a directory |
| 11:50.53 | row | Gnea yes |
| 11:51.11 | Gnea | Guerin: actually, it does |
| 11:51.35 | Guerin | Gnea: coincidence |
| 11:51.35 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.40 | Gnea | :) |
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| 11:52.13 | Gnea | row: can you run k3b now? |
| 11:52.19 | Deepa | Gnea: doesnt it end up in /var/www/phpbb2? |
| 11:52.28 | Deepa | Guerin* |
| 11:52.30 | Gnea | Deepa: after it's unpacked |
| 11:52.37 | Guerin | Gnea: heh. Actually, I think you'll find it's /usr/lib/phpbb2 |
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| 11:52.44 | Guerin | Deepa: nope. |
| 11:52.48 | Guerin | well |
| 11:52.58 | Guerin | don't know about that specific package, but generally not. |
| 11:53.00 | Deepa | phpsysinfo does get to /var/www/phpsysinfo tho |
| 11:53.04 | unsolo | its usr lib phpbb2 which doesnt make much sence |
| 11:53.11 | row | Gnea: still dies on "Scanning for CD devices..." |
| 11:53.13 | Guerin | unsolo: makes perfect sense |
| 11:53.24 | unsolo | Guerin: hehe |
| 11:53.38 | Guerin | unsolo: also comes with a config file for you to source in your httpd config to make it all work |
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| 11:53.41 | JohnnyST | hi what packages do I need to kompile a 2.6 kernel in sarge I want to do make menuconfig, make gconfig and make xconfig |
| 11:53.46 | unsolo | so i have to make a virtual host into that dir to get it running right |
| 11:54.02 | row | maybe I should roll back cdrecord, might be a bug |
| 11:54.10 | Guerin | unsolo: no. You have to read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/phpbb2 |
| 11:54.21 | Guerin | unsolo: as you should have done right at the start |
| 11:54.27 | Gnea | row: dunno then, try the cdrecord option again and try to burn a dvd iso with growisofs |
| 11:54.43 | level100 | is anyone ever run id card printer on linux |
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| 11:54.55 | djp | is it wise to add myself to the lp group? i am not added to this by default with a desktop debian install (3.1) |
| 11:54.55 | Gnea | id card printer? |
| 11:55.08 | Gnea | djp: yes |
| 11:55.40 | TraceGreen | Hello, does anyone know a tool which would show "hourglass" when starting a program such as in kde? |
| 11:55.41 | djp | Gnea, thanks. how do i add myself to the lp group? |
| 11:55.50 | level100 | Gnea: device for print id card |
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| 11:56.18 | Molatov | bent |
| 11:56.39 | resiak | spherical |
| 11:56.50 | Guerin | hammer-shaped |
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| 11:57.29 | resiak | o/` I'm downright amazed at what I can destroy with just a hammer. o/` |
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| 11:58.10 | Toastie_ | I have a server behind a very packet-losing network and I need to SSH to it somehow... Is there a way to lower the TCP retry delay for a certain route, destination or globally? |
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| 11:58.17 | Anyone | TraceGreen, I have no clue, sorry. |
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| 11:58.29 | Anyone | level100, no, as I told you, sorry. |
| 11:58.51 | bkw | Anyone who can explain why a nic sometimes become eth0, others eth1. This really confuse dhclient during bootups. |
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| 11:59.34 | resiak | bkw: Because it depends on what order the modules load. See ifrename for a solution. |
| 11:59.49 | Gnea | djp: addgroup user lp |
| 12:00.12 | Anyone | bkw, sounds wierd, but I cannot explain it offhand no.. |
| 12:00.22 | Anyone | bkw, do you have a removeable media or something? |
| 12:00.29 | resiak | Gnea: Erm, no... adduser user lp |
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| 12:00.44 | Anyone | bkw, on the other hand, listen to resiak :) |
| 12:00.49 | Gnea | djp: what resiak said |
| 12:00.56 | Gnea | i'm getting tired :P |
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| 12:01.28 | resiak | bkw: And, for bonus points, use ifrename to give your NICs name like cow0 and pigeon5! |
| 12:01.48 | dondelelcaro | or just use nameif and /etc/mactab. |
| 12:01.51 | Gnea | innerwebz0 |
| 12:01.59 | row | hmm k3b started this time |
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| 12:02.07 | resiak | dondelelcaro: Hence "a solution", not "the solution" :-) |
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| 12:02.15 | Gnea | row: now check k3bsetup from the settings menu |
| 12:02.16 | row | takes ages...... |
| 12:02.32 | row | will do, after a restart k3b again :/ |
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| 12:04.11 | fleuret | hi ppl |
| 12:04.17 | Molatov | j |
| 12:04.39 | fleuret | is that normal ? "GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F" ? |
| 12:04.52 | fleuret | or did I screw up my install ? |
| 12:04.56 | fleuret | edlin, thanks :) |
| 12:05.00 | Gnea | fleuret: working on it. no, it's 2006 |
| 12:05.04 | fleuret | (is that a script?) |
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| 12:05.05 | fleuret | gnea ok |
| 12:05.15 | EdLin | fleuret: /topic |
| 12:05.18 | fleuret | :/ |
| 12:05.21 | fleuret | sorry :) |
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| 12:05.40 | Gnea | oh man |
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| 12:05.47 | fleuret | not too much traffic for such a channel |
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| 12:06.03 | Gnea | i totally didn't catch that earlier |
| 12:06.10 | Gnea | fleuret: you just joined |
| 12:06.36 | EdLin | fleuret: there's more traffic in the channel at other times other than early AM EST |
| 12:06.48 | botsy | anybody know what's the method for erase the cn=,dc=,dc= for ldap ? |
| 12:07.09 | fleuret | ok |
| 12:07.22 | botsy | i have found for erase OU but not for cn=,dc= .... please help me ... |
| 12:07.58 | resiak | botsy: #ldap ? |
| 12:08.17 | aisotton | is linux-image-2.6.15 working for anybody? postinst is failing here... |
| 12:08.38 | Gnea | aisotton: known issue |
| 12:08.40 | EdLin | aisotton: it's broke for me too. At least this time it didn't overwrite my old kernel |
| 12:08.45 | resiak | /topic |
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| 12:08.52 | strider | What are the changes with regards to NTFS write support over 2.6.14 in the new kernel? |
| 12:08.54 | botsy | resiak, i stayed on #ldap since yesterday they are anybody ... |
| 12:08.57 | Bogaurd | is it possible to setup ssl encryption for SMTP with exim? |
| 12:09.00 | resiak | !they don't know |
| 12:09.00 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 12:09.04 | row | .15 working here... |
| 12:09.10 | botsy | no they are people but anybody speack .... |
| 12:09.16 | botsy | speak* |
| 12:09.29 | Gnea | strider: they would be in the changelog |
| 12:09.30 | aisotton | Gnea: are there more details somewhere? |
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| 12:09.37 | spotted | Hello |
| 12:09.44 | Gnea | aisotton: try the bts |
| 12:09.44 | spotted | Can anyone tell me: |
| 12:09.46 | Gnea | !bts |
| 12:09.46 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 12:09.50 | fleuret | if I may ... it would be cool to have a "hot news" on www.debian.org, instead of relying on an irc bot, no ? |
| 12:10.04 | aisotton | Gnea: 2.6.15 is not yet in the BTS nor in the package list |
| 12:10.05 | spotted | 1) how to run a program in a shell in background without that the program terminates on shell closure |
| 12:10.09 | VlivE | aisotton using 2.6.15-rc7 here works fine |
| 12:10.12 | resiak | fleuret: It's been suggested. |
| 12:10.19 | strider | Yes, I've checked them, nothing much. Hue and cry over at OSNews. hmm |
| 12:10.23 | fleuret | spotted "&" ? |
| 12:10.26 | spotted | and what the name of the program that works like windows' run is? |
| 12:10.43 | fleuret | resiak ok |
| 12:10.48 | aisotton | VlivE: i guess you compiled it yourself? |
| 12:10.49 | spotted | fleuret, yes, but when I use it e.g.: "xchat &" when I close the shell |
| 12:10.57 | resiak | fleuret: Indeed, I believe that such a web page exists for Sid. Read planet.debian.org, was a few days ago. debian.org shouldn't have that, because non-developers don't run Sid. |
| 12:11.01 | spotted | the program thrown by the shell terminates too |
| 12:11.02 | VlivE | correct |
| 12:11.04 | spotted | on Debian |
| 12:11.06 | fleuret | never understoof actually, try xlogo & and kill your shell ? |
| 12:11.08 | VlivE | from kernel.org |
| 12:11.23 | aisotton | EdLin: you also get a grub-install postinst error? |
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| 12:11.33 | aisotton | EdLin: sorry, update-grub? |
| 12:11.36 | resiak | spotted: Try "xchat &" followed by "disown" |
| 12:11.43 | EdLin | aisotton: not that I know of. |
| 12:11.47 | row | Gnea: in k3bsetup now |
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| 12:11.59 | row | er infact not k3b takes its time to even launch that now :/ |
| 12:12.03 | fleuret | spotted what shell is that ? |
| 12:12.05 | spotted | resiak, it works |
| 12:12.08 | spotted | thx |
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| 12:12.17 | strider | ahh, found it. rewrite support... |
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| 12:12.26 | Gnea | row: ok, anything in the devices? |
| 12:12.31 | aisotton | EdLin: what problems do you have with 2.6.15 then? |
| 12:12.31 | EdLin | !thx |
| 12:12.31 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas, named after THX1138, Lucas' first movie. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. |
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| 12:12.53 | spotted | Can anyone tell me the name of the applet that works like "run" in gnome? |
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| 12:13.36 | EdLin | aisotton: it doesn't finish booting, dumping me into busybox, much like the bug that plagued 2.6.14 for a while |
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| 12:13.51 | VlivE | Question about "udev", I created a device /dev/dvb with adapters 1,2,3 and verifyed that they are there by doing an ls /dev/dvb, then I reboot and the device is gone, do an ls /dev/dvb and get no such device?? |
| 12:13.59 | aisotton | EdLin: ok, strange. for me it won't even install...i'll investigate. |
| 12:14.08 | row | Gnea: ROFL, I did eject on the nec dvdrw (it did not show dvdrom) ejected both drives :/ |
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| 12:15.02 | row | might be my other drive that is broken :/ |
| 12:15.10 | fleuret | delin, also, no sponsore page on the main debian site ? there are no such sponsores, or it is a policy not to talk much about them, or it has been forgotten ? :) |
| 12:15.13 | row | effecting everything on the ide channel |
| 12:15.15 | botsy | thank ALL |
| 12:15.29 | Gnea | row: OH didn't know you had 2 heh |
| 12:16.22 | row | Gnea: I did say but very early on, don't think thats the thing you responded too, nm |
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| 12:17.36 | resiak | VlivE: man udev; you may have to add stuff to the (misleadingly named) udev.rules file |
| 12:18.00 | Toastie_ | I'm having a very strange packet loss, one that causes SSH to always fail at the same point of the login. |
| 12:18.07 | VlivE | thanks |
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| 12:18.35 | Jeeves_moss | all: dumbest question of the night guys. what is the command to unTar a file? |
| 12:18.36 | anapivirtua__ | lo tlm |
| 12:18.40 | resiak | Jeeves_moss: man tarr |
| 12:18.46 | resiak | Jeeves_moss: man tar; tar x |
| 12:18.55 | Jeeves_moss | thanks |
| 12:18.56 | sadlede1 | anyone tried latest cupsys from experimental? |
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| 12:19.22 | resiak | Jeeves_moss: (but you probably want tar xf to untar a file rather than stdin) |
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| 12:19.26 | Anyone | sadlede1, nope. |
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| 12:19.33 | Anyone | sadlede1, I didn't. |
| 12:19.36 | row | Gnea: its back to normal, seems dvdrom drive is funny. |
| 12:19.37 | resiak | !Anyone++ |
| 12:19.52 | Anyone | !wine resiak |
| 12:19.52 | Gnea | row: right on |
| 12:19.59 | resiak | Anyone: at 1219? |
| 12:20.07 | row | Gnea: thanks for all your help. :) |
| 12:20.11 | Anyone | 13:19 .. are you brittish? |
| 12:20.37 | row | its 12:20 here not 13:19... |
| 12:20.40 | Gnea | np :) |
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| 12:21.33 | pbrunier | Gnea: Did you manage to solve the apt problem ? |
| 12:21.40 | Bogaurd | how can i configure exim4 to support smtp authentication for relaying mail? i'm trying to follow this: http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/EximSMTPAuth, but the 'host_auth_accept_relay = *' option gets rejected in my config... |
| 12:21.49 | resiak | pbrunier: /topic |
| 12:21.49 | Gnea | pbrunier: yeah, /topic |
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| 12:22.05 | pbrunier | aahh stupid |
| 12:22.06 | pbrunier | sorry |
| 12:22.09 | resiak | Anyone: No. I'm British. |
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| 12:23.06 | Jeeves_moss | all: one last dumb question. is there an easy way to sync your system clock with the national NTP server? shell style? |
| 12:23.08 | Anyone | How do I find out how to get lirc working .. the doc makes a lot of sense, but I hardly get any of it .. I dunno what to read. My card has build in receiver, but its not a bt848 .. or bttv at all. |
| 12:23.14 | simeon | I need help connectin a samsung mobile phone via Bluetooth. Anyone experienced with sdpd and obexserver? |
| 12:23.19 | jm_ | Jeeves_moss: /msg dpkg setting time |
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| 12:23.32 | Anyone | simeon, sorry, but no. I have no expirience with it. |
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| 12:23.39 | fleuret | simeon http://cvlab.epfl.ch/~fleuret/installations.html#bluetooth |
| 12:23.47 | Jeeves_moss | jm_: thanks |
| 12:23.48 | simeon | Anyone: lol |
| 12:24.06 | Jeeves_moss | dpkg: time? how do I set it to the NTP server from the shell? |
| 12:24.10 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: why do you insist on using obviously broken third-party howtos to do something that the Debian packages does natively _and_ _has_ _it_ _documented_? |
| 12:24.29 | ChinaBob | dpkg hello |
| 12:24.29 | dpkg | hello, chinabob |
| 12:24.47 | Jeeves_moss | all: is dpkg a bot or a person? |
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| 12:24.49 | jm_ | !tell Jeeves_moss -about setting time |
| 12:24.51 | simeon | fleuret: I have been on this page befor. I can find out what channel I should use I tried some but dont know. |
| 12:24.52 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: it's not so obvious to me, I dont know as much as you do evidently. |
| 12:24.56 | ChinaBob | dpkg bot? |
| 12:24.56 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 12:25.11 | EdLin | dpkg: what are you? |
| 12:25.12 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 12:25.18 | jm_ | !tell Jeeves_moss -about set time |
| 12:26.01 | simeon | fleuret: erm, I mean I can not find out what channel number to use |
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| 12:26.17 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 12:26.19 | simeon | fleuret: the mobile phone always complains about connection failed |
| 12:26.35 | elephantMan | I have a router, can i make a computer on the LAN a local DNS ? |
| 12:26.48 | btaranto | why i cant do apt-get update? i am getting 403 error(forbbiden) |
| 12:26.59 | Deepa | no permissions? |
| 12:27.04 | pureone | elephantMan, yes |
| 12:27.10 | simeon | btaranto: use another server |
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| 12:27.26 | btaranto | simeon can u send me? |
| 12:27.34 | EdLin | !u |
| 12:27.34 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:27.56 | elephantMan | pureone, each computer on the LAN would have to check this DNS first then the default....do i have to set this up on the router or on each computer ? |
| 12:28.03 | btaranto | sorry! |
| 12:28.14 | Jeeves_moss | jm_: thanks again. |
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| 12:28.17 | btaranto | simeon can you send me? |
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| 12:29.01 | pureone | elephantMan, depends on your router |
| 12:29.03 | goron | Is it possible to play wmv content in a browser-plugin? I already have w32-codecs, and mplayer. |
| 12:29.14 | pureone | my router allows me to set the dhcp config |
| 12:29.18 | fireba11 | SimonRaven did you need anything ? had my breal and my history isn't long enough to still hold your message ... |
| 12:29.27 | Jeeves_moss | jm_: let me guess, DPKG is a well written bot? |
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| 12:29.31 | pureone | my last router never allowed me the right to do that so i had to do it by hand which was a pain in the ass |
| 12:30.02 | btaranto | why i cant do apt-get update? i am getting 403 error(forbbiden) |
| 12:30.29 | EdLin | !tell btaranto -about repeat |
| 12:30.35 | jm_ | Jeeves_moss: it just has lots of useful factoids |
| 12:30.39 | peppet | btaranto, what repositories? |
| 12:30.50 | btaranto | peppet apt |
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| 12:31.00 | Jeeves_moss | jm_: should I ask how it works? |
| 12:31.04 | elephantMan | pureone, as the router is the dhcp server, serving DNS settings to every host on the LAN, it would be logical to add the lan DNS to the list of queried DNS ? |
| 12:31.07 | peppet | btaranto, ;) |
| 12:31.07 | btaranto | EdLin if nobody answer... i will repeat my questio! |
| 12:31.15 | resiak | !tell Jeeves_moss about blootbot |
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| 12:31.38 | btaranto | peppet :) |
| 12:31.41 | resiak | Jeeves_moss: You can even read dpkg's source and run your own! |
| 12:31.41 | jm_ | Jeeves_moss: it works just like any other IRC client, but known words will trigger a response |
| 12:31.55 | jm_ | there's no real magic to it |
| 12:32.11 | peppet | btaranto, which mirror? |
| 12:32.11 | elephantMan | Like, on the router : 'DNS_0=LAN, DNS_1=X, DNS_2=Y' |
| 12:32.22 | btaranto | peppet defaults |
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| 12:32.36 | fAbiEttO^ | giorno |
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| 12:32.40 | Jeeves_moss | jm_: intresting. it might be a good soulition for one project I have on the go. It can get a little annoying though. |
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| 12:33.12 | pureone | yeah might be better overall elephantMan |
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| 12:33.57 | btaranto | peppet pvt |
| 12:34.04 | simeon | I need help connectin a samsung mobile phone via Bluetooth. Anyone experienced with sdpd and obexserver? |
| 12:34.27 | btaranto | simeon no |
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| 12:34.39 | jm_ | my bro wanted to play with it the other day, but then realized the kernel lacks Bluetooth support so it'll wait until kernel is upgraded |
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| 12:37.03 | Jeeves_moss | dpkg: is there a way to reboot from shell? |
| 12:37.14 | jm_ | man reboot |
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| 12:37.23 | jm_ | asking it like that won't work |
| 12:37.31 | Jeeves_moss | jm_: dumb question. |
| 12:37.42 | Jeeves_moss | jm_: starts to look around for my bed |
| 12:37.47 | Coke | You have to ask dpkg in latin, it doesn't understand english. |
| 12:38.01 | Coke | by latin I mean golden age latin, ofcourse. |
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| 12:44.23 | fireba11 | ^^ |
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| 12:46.37 | Bogaurd | I'm still having trouble setting up SMTP-AUTH. What I want to do is allow relaying from any hosts so long as users are authenticated with a *real* user account, but I want to allow relaying for my local lan and from localhost with no need for authentication.. can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 12:47.03 | spiekey | hello! |
| 12:48.01 | fireba11 | Bogaurd: sure .. just wait a minute .. |
| 12:48.16 | Bogaurd | fireba11: thankyou very much =) |
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| 12:49.28 | fireba11 | Bogaurd: i suppose you are using exim4 ? |
| 12:49.40 | Bogaurd | fireba11: yes, i should have mentioned, I am =) |
| 12:49.48 | Bogaurd | fireba11: debian sarge. |
| 12:50.04 | fireba11 | Bogaurd: okay .. i did set up smtp-auth yesterday so i still remember everything :-) |
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| 12:50.23 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: please read exim4's package description. It has a pointer to the relevant README file |
| 12:50.36 | Zugschlus | it is always a good idea to look into /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE/ |
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| 12:50.42 | fireba11 | Bogaurd: so .. you want to relay from LAN but require auth from everywhere else, right ? |
| 12:50.43 | Bogaurd | fireba11: excellent =) |
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| 12:50.53 | Bogaurd | Zugschlus: i did that, it wasnt what i needed. |
| 12:51.09 | Bogaurd | fireba11: yes, allow from lan & localhost =) |
| 12:51.14 | Bogaurd | fireba11: PM? |
| 12:51.33 | fireba11 | okay |
| 12:51.36 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: it is what you need |
| 12:51.46 | Zugschlus | if it is not, please send a patch for the docs |
| 12:51.53 | goron | How can I capture wmv streams? |
| 12:52.09 | Zugschlus | Bogaurd: additionally, since you're providing a service on the public internet, _please_ know what you're doing. |
| 12:52.12 | goron | The "streaming" doesn't really stream without hickups. |
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| 12:53.22 | jm_ | goron: try mplayer |
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| 12:54.05 | goron | jm_: That requires me for every movie to lookup the source URL. |
| 12:54.16 | goron | jm_: Isn't there some plugin for that? |
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| 12:54.41 | goron | jm_: Or bettter: have mplayer store every stream it receives. |
| 12:54.53 | jm_ | I know there's a plugin for Firefox that can start mplayer, I suppose it could be modified to call mplayer with some other options |
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| 12:55.41 | goron | jm_: I am using that one now, prob. that is possible. |
| 12:55.54 | Deez | ok |
| 12:56.46 | jm_ | goron: you can change switches in its config dialog |
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| 12:58.47 | Anyone | !ping |
| 12:58.47 | dpkg | pong |
| 12:59.04 | epifanio | Hi guys!!! |
| 12:59.05 | goron | jm_: great |
| 12:59.05 | wedge | pong (DUP) |
| 12:59.23 | Anyone | How do I receive teletext with my tv-card - and how do I write the lirc.hardware config? |
| 12:59.38 | Anyone | !beer wedge |
| 12:59.52 | Anyone | :) |
| 13:00.46 | Myon | Anyone: alevt |
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| 13:00.58 | Bert- | hi |
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| 13:01.48 | Anyone | Myon, but that only shows help for alevt? |
| 13:01.52 | goron | jm_: It seems it has an option save as. I am not sure whether it actually works, but if it does it would be even better :) |
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| 13:02.04 | r0tu47 | h |
| 13:02.43 | goron | Why do people use wmv anyway for "gratis" content? |
| 13:02.44 | dimir | !nickometer r0tu47 |
| 13:02.45 | dpkg | 'r0tu47' is 98.340% lame, dimir |
| 13:02.55 | goron | !nickometer goron |
| 13:02.56 | epifanio | i've a problem, i'm trying to install Debian for PPC on an external drive. How can i do the boot "via-firewire"??? |
| 13:02.56 | Anyone | goron, xine shows it. |
| 13:02.57 | dpkg | 'goron' is 0.000% lame, goron |
| 13:03.04 | Anyone | tell goron about mplayer |
| 13:03.07 | jm_ | so that it works for morons running Windows ;) |
| 13:03.11 | dimir | goron: cause they are mostly windoze users. |
| 13:03.30 | r0tu47 | !losermeter dpkg |
| 13:03.45 | r0tu47 | **WARNING WARNING - OVERLOAD** |
| 13:03.56 | goron | Anyone: I already got it working, but wmv works worse than e.g. realplayer. |
| 13:04.05 | epifanio | must i modify the Kernel? how? :-) |
| 13:04.13 | Coke | goron: what does "work worse" mean? |
| 13:04.21 | Myon | Anyone: it worked on my analog tv card |
| 13:04.26 | Coke | goron: I'm a lousy worker too. |
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| 13:04.39 | goron | Coke: Isn't that English? |
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| 13:04.47 | Anyone | myon : how do you get out of the help? |
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| 13:04.56 | dimir | !tell epifanio -about bbc |
| 13:05.00 | dimir | !tell epifanio -about ppc |
| 13:05.02 | dimir | :-P |
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| 13:05.09 | Coke | goron: yes it is. |
| 13:05.16 | goron | Coke: Well, for one thing with RealPlayer I can stream stuff in a userfriendly way. |
| 13:05.19 | Myon | Anyone: I don't use it anymore, sorry |
| 13:05.22 | Myon | q probably? |
| 13:05.26 | goron | Coke: (the moment it works) |
| 13:05.29 | Coke | goron: work in english means "Exertion of strength or faculties" |
| 13:05.48 | Coke | goron: is your video player exerting strength or faculties worse than realplayer? |
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| 13:06.06 | goron | Coke: "John works at the shop." |
| 13:06.11 | Coke | exactly. |
| 13:06.12 | goron | Coke: that seems a good sentence. |
| 13:06.20 | goron | Coke: Why couldn't software work? |
| 13:06.22 | Coke | so when you say "workse worse" that could basically mean anything. |
| 13:06.40 | Coke | it can work, but work is such a wide term to use. |
| 13:06.52 | goron | Coke: No, it means that according to my undefined criteria it works worse. |
| 13:06.53 | Coke | goron: what software are you using and what do you want it to do? |
| 13:07.10 | goron | Coke: Yeah, I got your point a few minutes ago. |
| 13:07.14 | pbrunier | That help in the topic doesn't work for me |
| 13:07.19 | r0tu47 | epifanio, http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 13:07.21 | Coke | goron: no, I'm asking. |
| 13:07.56 | Coke | goron: I'm quite familiar with mplayer and so far it works quite well. at least according to my definition. :) |
| 13:08.17 | goron | Coke: Some streaming video app. is better than another one if it's plays with less userintervention. |
| 13:08.40 | Coke | goron: I do nothing but watch and listen when mplayer plays stream |
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| 13:08.58 | goron | Coke: My bandwidth is a bit low (512/256) |
| 13:09.12 | goron | Coke: Realplayer's format is better than wmw's. |
| 13:09.21 | goron | Coke: (or algorithms) |
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| 13:09.35 | Guerin | hah |
| 13:09.35 | vivid_ | heh, its in the topic, i knew the key was updated |
| 13:09.39 | goron | Coke: So, there's nothing "wrong" with mplayer. |
| 13:09.43 | Coke | goron: ok, so it's the format you think worse worse. I thought your media player was giving you a hard time. |
| 13:10.01 | Coke | works worse |
| 13:10.19 | goron | Coke: Well, it does give me a "hard time", but that's because it has to cope with too little resources I guess. |
| 13:10.33 | goron | Guerin: I didn't say that. |
| 13:10.50 | goron | Guerin: I said Realplayer's format > wmv |
| 13:11.11 | Deeznuts | How about XMMS |
| 13:11.12 | Coke | hm. but both rm and wmv is obsoleted. |
| 13:11.21 | pureone | :o |
| 13:11.26 | Guerin | xmms is average to poor |
| 13:11.38 | Guerin | it's got decent format support |
| 13:11.45 | pureone | i like rm its nice and small |
| 13:11.49 | ldexter_ | xmms is dead |
| 13:11.50 | Deeznuts | Thanks |
| 13:11.56 | goron | The program xmms is dead indeed. |
| 13:12.02 | Coke | pureone: the quality/size ratio is terrible |
| 13:12.05 | Guerin | no, rm isn't really that much smaller per quality than anything else |
| 13:12.05 | r0tu47 | you guys ever try amorok?> |
| 13:12.08 | goron | GTK1.2 HAHA |
| 13:12.12 | pbrunier | SyntaxPolice is down |
| 13:12.16 | Guerin | certainly not smaller than x264, which is free software |
| 13:12.25 | goron | r0tu47: Ofcourse :) |
| 13:12.44 | goron | amarok was buggy, but is now very usable. |
| 13:12.46 | Deeznuts | wanted some thing close to Winamp or better |
| 13:12.48 | Guerin | amorok is appalling |
| 13:12.53 | Guerin | give me xmms any day |
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| 13:14.15 | r0tu47 | xmms hung way too much for me |
| 13:14.19 | Coke | Deeznuts: XMMS has support for ogg, mpeg, flac and sid's, what more can you ask for? |
| 13:14.27 | Coke | r0tu47: in what distribution? |
| 13:14.31 | Deeznuts | thanks |
| 13:14.37 | r0tu47 | really.. I like mpg321 |
| 13:14.48 | r0tu47 | Coke> Debian Unstable (woody) |
| 13:15.02 | Coke | r0tu47: unstable != woody |
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| 13:15.09 | Guerin | Coke: it has support for way more than that; the problems with it are 1) it needs x; 2) it's gtk1 with hacks to allow some utf-8; 3) it's buggy |
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| 13:15.18 | Deeznuts | me |
| 13:15.23 | spotted | Hello, does anyone know the name of the program gnome run tool? |
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| 13:15.36 | Guerin | spotted: eh? |
| 13:15.40 | Deeznuts | Mepis |
| 13:15.44 | Coke | However, the word "unstable" in any distro name makes me think "gee, I wonder if it's stable" |
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| 13:15.49 | r0tu47 | Coke> I know... but xmms doens't work and amorok does... so it's what I use.. didn't say anything was wrong with xmms.. ju7st that I use..... |
| 13:16.07 | spotted | Guerin, there's a tool like the windows run |
| 13:16.08 | Coke | Guerin: yeah, I'm waiting for people to port their plugins to beep |
| 13:16.14 | spotted | which allows you to start a program |
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| 13:16.16 | bizkit | opencubicplayer.. :-) |
| 13:16.25 | spotted | I need its name |
| 13:16.32 | pureone | spotted, Eterm? |
| 13:16.33 | Coke | spotted: what program is this? |
| 13:16.42 | Deeznuts | ok |
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| 13:17.12 | Guerin | Coke: yeah. Beep is worse than xmms for the other flaws, though. |
| 13:17.20 | Coke | Guerin: "other flaws"? |
| 13:17.36 | Guerin | Coke: bugginess, needs gtk2, etc. |
| 13:17.41 | spotted | Coke, ... |
| 13:17.48 | spotted | Do I speak E.T language? |
| 13:17.59 | Guerin | spotted: yes. We don't know what 'windows run' is |
| 13:18.00 | spotted | Have you ever used Windows? You click on "RUN" |
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| 13:18.15 | Coke | spotted: ok, this is Debian, not Windows |
| 13:18.15 | spotted | then you put in things like |
| 13:18.17 | pureone | spotted, use a term :) |
| 13:18.18 | spotted | cmd |
| 13:18.21 | Guerin | spotted: you want a one-line command dialogue? |
| 13:18.33 | Guerin | spotted: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:18.43 | spotted | Guerin, you never used gnome? O_o |
| 13:18.57 | vik | what files would one have to change to move debian from one drive to another? |
| 13:18.59 | r0tu47 | spotted> if you use a term.. add & on the end and it will give you back yoru prompt |
| 13:18.59 | Coke | Ah, now I know what he means. |
| 13:19.01 | Guerin | spotted: i don't habitually, no. |
| 13:19.03 | Quinn_Storm | Guerin: gtk2 is the whole reason for beep...gtk1 is total crap in comparison to gtk2 (and I'm still partial to qt/kde myself) |
| 13:19.09 | stew | spotted: there has got to be one in gnome-applets |
| 13:19.18 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: true, but gtk2 is still pretty fugly. |
| 13:19.22 | spotted | stew, oh, finally. |
| 13:19.25 | petemc | spotted: alt - f2 , perhaps |
| 13:19.27 | takatumi | alt-F3? |
| 13:19.34 | takatumi | oh F2 |
| 13:19.36 | spotted | stew, I need the name of that application |
| 13:19.40 | spotted | that runs into the applet |
| 13:19.45 | Quinn_Storm | Guerin: well theming can fix the outward appearance...and inwardly (to code for), its not terrible |
| 13:19.49 | Guerin | spotted: so ask already |
| 13:19.56 | spotted | because I'm not using metacity anymore and I have to create the shortcut alt+f2 myself |
| 13:19.57 | Deeznuts | want to run an icecast server |
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| 13:20.12 | spotted | but if I don't know the name of the program to execute I can't bind it |
| 13:20.12 | spotted | ^^ |
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| 13:20.15 | spotted | that's all :D |
| 13:20.21 | stew | spotted: apt-file list gnome-applets |
| 13:20.22 | spotted | nothing so complicated... |
| 13:20.25 | yosef | Does anyone here have filenames in right-to-left language(e.g. hebrew, arabic)? |
| 13:20.34 | stew | spotted: mini_commander_applet sounds promising |
| 13:20.35 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: yes, i've heard it's a pleasure to code for. Theming doesn't fix all its flaws, like the fact that its builtin dialogues are awful (file selection, forex), and the fact that it wastes screen space like a bastard. |
| 13:20.35 | Deeznuts | icecast also need gtk2, i think |
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| 13:21.03 | Coke | spotted: hey, windows dofus, things are not uniform in the GNU-world. even within gnome you can configure it to do and look pretty much as you like, that's why it's difficult to guess what functionality you're after based on your info. |
| 13:21.09 | Guerin | yosef: I'm sure people who use rtl locales do |
| 13:21.19 | Quinn_Storm | Guerin: I think I have to agree with you there. it is a pleasure to code for but really if you can stand C++ so is QT (and I'm a KDE fan) |
| 13:21.24 | resiak | Right. My Etch box's apache2 init script now refers to the server as "apache 2.0"[sic case], which I swear it never used to. I'm slightly worried. Should I be? |
| 13:21.39 | yosef | I need help with rtf filenames, showing up all messed up... |
| 13:21.45 | Tenkawa | So I take it that X.org in unstable did break |
| 13:21.49 | pureone | resiak it does the same for me |
| 13:22.12 | Guerin | resiak: look at the changelogs for the init script |
| 13:22.15 | spotted | Coke, since I use Linux and gnome I have always found this tool coming with Gnome... |
| 13:22.19 | resiak | Quinn_Storm: It's very nice to code for in (no joking) anything other than C. The C++ bindings made more sense to me than Qt ever did. |
| 13:22.46 | Coke | spotted: that would depend on what gnome distribution you are using. again, it's not uniform. |
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| 13:23.08 | Guerin | !#gnome |
| 13:23.08 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:23.13 | Quinn_Storm | resiak: too bad gnome has such a weird approach to everything (as the major user of gtk), specifically the approach of "its better to completely REMOVE options/features" |
| 13:23.29 | yosef | Is there someone here with xperiance with right-to-lest language filenames? |
| 13:23.31 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: and what features are kept are utterly changed |
| 13:23.33 | Tenkawa | hm.. torates in X are messed up |
| 13:23.39 | Tenkawa | err |
| 13:23.41 | stew | !tell yosef about repeat |
| 13:23.57 | Tenkawa | My sync rates are out of range today in X for some reason |
| 13:24.05 | epifanio | i visit the website, but without results :-( |
| 13:24.12 | resiak | Quinn_Storm: That's why I use XFce4 ;-) |
| 13:24.23 | Quinn_Storm | resiak: yes I like xfce, of course I am using ion3 right now, heh |
| 13:24.27 | Quinn_Storm | Guerin: indeed |
| 13:24.50 | Quinn_Storm | and gtk2 is a pleasure to code for in a lot of ways except of course for C lacking con/de-structors for the pseudo-objects gtk2 uses |
| 13:24.53 | resiak | Guerin: Can't see anything relevant. But if someone else has the same thing, then I'm happy. I've (obviously) read through the script line by line, because it felt like something was wrong (like, maybe I got rooted). |
| 13:25.53 | Guerin | resiak: it's a bizarre change, though. That variable only exists in the init script, and if it's changed, it means someone rewrote the script manually from scratch, rather than using the existing one. |
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| 13:26.22 | resiak | Quinn_Storm: Oh, no, the constructors are there, and work. But method names being prefixed with the class, and having to cast everything all the fucking time, makes it more trouble than it's worth. Couple that with the fact that (and I'm prepared to argue this for hours) no code, other than kernels, drivers and low-level libraries, should _ever_ be written in C. |
| 13:26.50 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:26.54 | Quinn_Storm | resiak: indeed. and now that gcc4 is in existence, its actually almost workable to write large projects in C++ |
| 13:27.04 | Quinn_Storm | it used to be that a large C++ project brought my 1.2GHz machine to its knees |
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| 13:27.07 | shomon | hi - I am wondering if a usb bluetooth dongle will generally just work on a debian based computer? Or do I have to install something first/patch the kernel? I found Bluez - is this what I'd need? |
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| 13:27.50 | resiak | Quinn_Storm: Oh, I wouldn't necessarily advocate C++ either, if only because ... manual memory management? In 2006? Go to hell! |
| 13:28.26 | Quinn_Storm | resiak: well if there was something non-interpreted with as good an optimizing compiler as gcc/g++ then I'd use it, otherwise I'll stick to manual mem management and make heavy use of stl::list, etc. |
| 13:28.27 | Coke | I can name a dozen things that's wrong with C++. |
| 13:28.30 | Coke | I'd rather use C. |
| 13:28.32 | Quinn_Storm | err, std::list |
| 13:28.54 | ben_ | Hi! Does anyone have GPG error on update today plz? |
| 13:29.00 | resiak | /topic |
| 13:29.08 | resiak | Quinn_Storm: gcj! mono! Haskell (with ghc6)! |
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| 13:29.23 | resiak | Quinn_Storm: Cycle-shaving is for the lose! Saving programmer time is for the win!" |
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| 13:29.51 | resiak | Quinn_Storm: (NB. I don't suggest writing code in Java |
| 13:30.12 | Quinn_Storm | resiak: is haskell as fast? I could learn that. gcj is generally recognized as not being complete/good really at all, not to mention java's ugly syntax (worse than C), same with objC (ugly, worse than C), and mono...well...not sure what to say about mono...except that...well I didn't know we had an optimizing compiler |
| 13:30.22 | Coke | Quinn_Storm: why do you need it to be so fast? |
| 13:30.30 | Quinn_Storm | Coke: because I don't see the point of wasting cpu |
| 13:30.41 | Coke | Quinn_Storm: there's no point, but there's no loss either |
| 13:30.52 | Quinn_Storm | Coke: not to mention most of my development is focused on either games, or system services, the first has to be fast, the second has to get out of the way |
| 13:30.58 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: in this day and age, when every man and his dog has a dual-core opteron? |
| 13:31.09 | Quinn_Storm | Guerin: all i have is a 1.2GHz original athlon :-P |
| 13:31.09 | Guerin | and even the kids have p4-3.6en? |
| 13:31.27 | wedge | http://pastebin.com/490092 <- too little use for my cpu's :) |
| 13:31.31 | Silent_al | in which log i can find why my xfce panel didnt load @ startup? |
| 13:31.35 | Coke | Quinn_Storm: if you can't make Python, Ruby or Perl code run fast enough on that machine you are doing something seriously wrong. |
| 13:31.39 | resiak | Quinn_Storm: I've not hit a single problem with gcj for my OOP course. :-) Optimizing compiler ... read my comment about cycle-shaving. Haskell _can_ be crazy slow from time to time, but that's because there's not much research into optimizing a lazy functional language. But it _does_ _not_ _matter_ --- Haskell is a wonderful, wonderful thing. |
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| 13:32.19 | Quinn_Storm | resiak: well what are the great benefits of haskell? |
| 13:32.36 | Quinn_Storm | Coke: define fast enough? fast enough for a 3d platformer? I doubt it |
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| 13:32.43 | linuxfreck | I wouldn't call haskell a general purpose language |
| 13:32.45 | resiak | Quinn_Storm: It's beautiful. |
| 13:32.50 | resiak | linuxfreck: Why not? |
| 13:32.53 | Quinn_Storm | not that I don't think python has its place |
| 13:32.57 | Coke | Quinn_Storm: first of all, yes it is, second of all 99.9999% of all software are not like that. |
| 13:33.12 | ootput | there' snothign wrong with haskell |
| 13:33.15 | linuxfreck | resiak: i/o is a bit wierd in pure functional langs |
| 13:33.20 | Guerin | Coke: well ... all the python bittorrent clients are fucking slow, and waste massive amounts of ram |
| 13:33.25 | Quinn_Storm | Coke: perhaps but I am talking about what I am writing. for a gui I can will and have used python |
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| 13:33.29 | Coke | Quinn_Storm: so, I'm pressuming you are writing a 3D-engine with close to reality physics engine? |
| 13:33.44 | resiak | linuxfreck: IO is slightly weird in Haskell, but once you get your head around the monadic style then it makes great sense. :-) |
| 13:33.49 | Quinn_Storm | Coke: well if I was using a full physics engine I'd use ode, and yes I am writing simple OGL 3d engines |
| 13:33.50 | Maynard1 | can someone help me with an error msg i'm having with debian? |
| 13:33.56 | Coke | Guerin: "all"? You mean the original bittorrent libraries which made me blind for two days after looking at the sources? |
| 13:34.03 | resiak | Maynard1: Nah, all we do here is discuss programming languages ;-) |
| 13:34.03 | Guerin | Maynard1: if you tell someone what it is |
| 13:34.04 | Quinn_Storm | Coke: and by simple I mean -simple-, as I use a matrox g450 right now, and can't do much with it |
| 13:34.09 | Ronin | Maynard1: we need to know the error message |
| 13:34.10 | Maynard1 | haha |
| 13:34.20 | Guerin | Coke: and bittornado, and the other implementations built on top of them |
| 13:34.26 | Coke | Quinn_Storm: I've seen full OpenGL-implementations written in Java run on my 3dfx. |
| 13:34.27 | Maynard1 | DMA_Timer_expiry == 0x61 |
| 13:34.34 | Quinn_Storm | Coke: good for you |
| 13:34.34 | Maynard1 | when trying to install |
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| 13:34.35 | Guerin | Coke: as opposed to, for instance, rtorrent |
| 13:34.36 | Coke | Guerin: yes, because their all based on the same crap libraries. |
| 13:34.45 | resiak | Quinn_Storm: Oh, and Haskell has very decent GL libraries ;) |
| 13:34.47 | Coke | Guerin: btpd! |
| 13:34.52 | Coke | Guerin: it's my friends pet project. |
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| 13:34.55 | Quinn_Storm | Maynard1: ok, sounds like you need to turn off DMA for your hard drives...can someone confirm? |
| 13:35.00 | Coke | daemon-based torrent client |
| 13:35.03 | ben_ | I'm sorry but I did what dpk told to me but it semms that 2006 key is for stable release... what about testing 2006 key for apt plz? :\ |
| 13:35.10 | Maynard1 | i had debian installed the other day though |
| 13:35.19 | Guerin | Coke: someone was in here saying 'transmission' was good doot |
| 13:35.19 | Maynard1 | and i didn't have to do that |
| 13:35.21 | Guerin | too |
| 13:35.21 | ootput | hi guys, any reason why a debootstrap chroot can't retrieve most of the public keys for repos? |
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| 13:35.23 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, could be a hdd failure, or a cable that came loose... |
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| 13:35.40 | Maynard1 | i when and screwed it up so i decided to try to reinstall |
| 13:35.42 | Maynard1 | :( |
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| 13:35.51 | resiak | Guerin: Conjure is a bittorrent client in Haskell. |
| 13:35.51 | AllNight^ | hi resiak :) |
| 13:35.59 | Coke | Guerin: possibly. the thing I like about btpd is that it's daemon that you can communicate with using a unix socket, hence any front-end is usable to that one process. |
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| 13:36.11 | Guerin | resiak: hey, there's lots! why can't i find any of these? |
| 13:36.13 | resiak | AllNight^: I'm not really a Haskell hacker. I can't claim to be good enough at it, but I know enough to want to learn enough to use it for everything :-) |
| 13:36.15 | Maynard1 | it's got me stumped |
| 13:36.18 | Anyone | ben_, I didn't update GPG today, sorry, so no errors or other indications. |
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| 13:36.37 | Anyone | yosef: No, I am danish. |
| 13:36.51 | resiak | Guerin: For starters, Conjure (a) is unfinished, (b) depends on Haskell libraries that aren't in Debian yet. |
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| 13:36.55 | Maynard1 | this was going on a couple of months ago and i gave up with linux, then the other day i decided to try again, and it installed without any errors |
| 13:37.09 | Anyone | spotted: Right click on the panel, and a menu comes up. I am sure you can guess which ones to choose. |
| 13:37.19 | Maynard1 | haven't changed anything with my setup either |
| 13:37.22 | ben_ | Anyone: k, thx |
| 13:37.23 | Guerin | resiak: heh |
| 13:37.26 | Coke | resiak: haskell sucks, scheme rules! |
| 13:37.37 | Anyone | ben_, sorry for slow answer, but I was eating food. |
| 13:37.38 | Maynard1 | anyone know? |
| 13:37.43 | Anyone | Maynard1, know what? |
| 13:37.44 | Quinn_Storm | lol@Coke |
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| 13:37.53 | Maynard1 | my install prob |
| 13:37.53 | AllNight^ | Coke, they are both pretty cool languages :) |
| 13:37.59 | linuxfreck | resiak: there mldonkey written in ocaml though |
| 13:38.08 | Anyone | AllNight^, Haskell is like a wierd syntax. |
| 13:38.08 | Coke | I love it when two functional language zealots go to war on each other. |
| 13:38.12 | resiak | linuxfreck: Eeew. |
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| 13:38.18 | AllNight^ | and Scheme is not? :) |
| 13:38.22 | resiak | Coke: I'm not cool enough to be a zealot ;) |
| 13:38.26 | ben_ | Anyone: no problem :) |
| 13:38.28 | Maynard1 | is that a common error guys? |
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| 13:38.36 | Quinn_Storm | Maynard1: have you googled? |
| 13:38.40 | resiak | Coke: (but I used ocaml this term and ... don't like him :-)) |
| 13:38.41 | Anyone | AllNight^, at least scheme doesn't fuss about where you split your lines. |
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| 13:38.55 | Donaldo | saving cpu cycles isn't worth it. clearly we should all program in BASIC, i'm not sure we could find a way to save more programmer time than with BASIC, screw CPU cycles! |
| 13:38.57 | Maynard1 | no, but i did a couple of months ago |
| 13:38.57 | fleuret | can someone type my pseudo please? checking something |
| 13:39.02 | Maynard1 | it wasn't any help |
| 13:39.04 | fleuret | nickname, not pseudo |
| 13:39.15 | resiak | fleuret: !!! |
| 13:39.18 | Coke | resiak: hehe. I'm pretty hot on CL. |
| 13:39.19 | fleuret | thanks :) |
| 13:39.22 | Maynard1 | i even remember trying to turn off dma when i installed a couple of months ago |
| 13:39.24 | fleuret | the highlight works ;) |
| 13:39.25 | Maynard1 | didn't work |
| 13:39.28 | resiak | !start a dm war |
| 13:39.28 | dpkg | xdm is just shit! |
| 13:39.38 | fleuret | xdm kicks ass :) |
| 13:39.38 | linuxfreck | ocaml is the functional language for hackers |
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| 13:39.44 | ben_ | Anyone: "no errors" Do you meen I shouldn't have any GPG error on aptitude update? |
| 13:39.46 | user1 | ordinary users on my Testing system can't remove jobs from the print queue in GNOME. If I run gnome-cups-manager as root they can be removed. how do I enable this for ordinary users? is there a group to be a member of? I would have thought the 'lp' group but that doesn't enable it |
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| 13:40.15 | Anyone | ben_, Well, I didn't update it myself, so I really can't tell wether its normal. Besides, I am on sarge. |
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| 13:40.31 | AllNight^ | Anyone - use of a good text editor makes most indentation wars rather moot i find :) |
| 13:40.34 | Quinn_Storm | !start a wm war |
| 13:40.35 | dpkg | olwm makes me vomit! |
| 13:40.53 | fleuret | I wrote an irc client un caml, once |
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| 13:40.53 | AllNight^ | I can certainly think of multiple features that I would *like* to see in a language |
| 13:40.57 | Anyone | tell AllNight^ about emacs |
| 13:41.01 | ben_ | Anyone: ok |
| 13:41.04 | Maynard1 | does anyone know what would cause debian to give me that error? |
| 13:41.16 | fleuret | I wrote a front-end for mplayer in emacs-lisp, too |
| 13:41.17 | akyl | can someone explain me the error message "PAM (login) illegal module type: new"? i have no idea... |
| 13:41.25 | _Casper | Windowmaker! |
| 13:41.25 | Anyone | !tell Quinn_Storm about emacs |
| 13:41.36 | ben_ | Anyone running etch and having GPG error on aptitude update plz? |
| 13:41.38 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: the term is 'vidiot' |
| 13:41.39 | fleuret | emacs-lisp is a dirty language ... sometime being dirty is nice |
| 13:41.53 | aeg | !start e editor war |
| 13:41.55 | aeg | VI |
| 13:41.56 | Anyone | ben_, no, I am on sarge, as I said. |
| 13:41.59 | Quinn_Storm | I'd prefer to use an OS/OE for what an OS/OE is for, and an editor for what an editor is for :-P |
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| 13:42.21 | ben_ | Anyone: lol, It was a question to everybody :) |
| 13:42.35 | Cae2 | Hi, I'm trying to update e2fsprogs and apt-get is give the following error: |
| 13:42.36 | Anyone | ben_, Oh .. havn't seen him lately .. |
| 13:42.36 | Cae2 | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 13:42.37 | Cae2 | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
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| 13:42.39 | Coke | Quinn_Storm: quinn. like darias little sister. |
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| 13:42.47 | Cae2 | but, activate it where?? |
| 13:42.57 | stew | Cae2: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 13:42.59 | jm_ | Caesar: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs |
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| 13:43.02 | Quinn_Storm | Coke: no, nothing like her...she's a windows user |
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| 13:43.10 | Quinn_Storm | AllNight^: then write it? |
| 13:43.12 | Coke | Quinn_Storm: I was thinking more like a mac user. |
| 13:43.16 | AllNight^ | Elisp is ugly imho.... |
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| 13:43.19 | Quinn_Storm | Coke: nah, well maybe OS 9 |
| 13:43.20 | Anyone | ben_: I last saw everybody (n=Bereror@gentoo/developer/spb) 2d 17h 36m 9s ago, changing nicks |
| 13:43.24 | AllNight^ | Quinn_Storm, - i am in fact working on such a thing |
| 13:43.27 | Quinn_Storm | AllNight^: cool |
| 13:43.32 | AllNight^ | along with a few friends :) |
| 13:43.38 | Cae2 | hmm its a commom problem hehe thanks |
| 13:43.38 | Anyone | ben_, rather, the bot did. |
| 13:43.41 | Coke | Quinn_Storm: actualy, she doesn't use a computer at all. or did she lose the stupid-attitude after high school? |
| 13:43.45 | AllNight^ | actually i admit i came to this channel by 'accident' |
| 13:43.51 | Quinn_Storm | I'm still looking for a tri-platform collaborative editor that works as well as Hydra dies for the mac |
| 13:43.58 | epifanio | dkg : thanks for help, but i not find anything :-( |
| 13:44.04 | Quinn_Storm | does even |
| 13:44.05 | Quinn_Storm | not dies |
| 13:44.06 | AllNight^ | and this irc client is the only one i could fire up |
| 13:44.10 | _SD_Keo | hello, I'm having a problem with apt, it's ignoring a source I added manually.. |
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| 13:44.25 | AllNight^ | it dumped me in this channel.... havent been here before :) |
| 13:44.25 | Quinn_Storm | AllNight^: which client? irssi-text I hope? (the only true console irc client :-P) |
| 13:44.35 | stew | _SD_Keo: what happens? do you get errors when you run apt-get update? |
| 13:44.37 | aeg | Quinn_Storm: vi / vim / lemmy.exe |
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| 13:44.48 | Maynard1 | so noone here knows why i'm getting that error? |
| 13:45.06 | AllNight^ | :) |
| 13:45.25 | Quinn_Storm | aeg: huh? |
| 13:45.30 | AllNight^ | I have X working on a 2ndary machine now... im using X-Chat at the moment |
| 13:45.31 | _SD_Keo | stew: No, the line says: Ign http://debian.cante.net stable Release.gpg |
| 13:45.33 | Quinn_Storm | AllNight^: I don't know enough about it to know if its worth anything |
| 13:45.39 | stew | !Ign |
| 13:45.39 | dpkg | hmm... ign is when apt-get outputs lines starting with "Ign:" it means "Hrm, there's no such file but it's not a big deal anyway, i didn't need it", also "Hit:" means "i already had that file, no need to download" |
| 13:45.52 | AllNight^ | all the important *data* is on the fubared machine however :(: |
| 13:45.57 | stew | _SD_Keo: its not an error, just a missing Release file |
| 13:46.00 | Quinn_Storm | AllNight^: can you just pull the drive? |
| 13:46.18 | AllNight^ | this machine is normally a firewall.... i've persuaded it to become a net connection for a bit |
| 13:46.22 | Maynard1 | does debian not like certain HD's? |
| 13:46.25 | _SD_Keo | stew: ah ok, apt keeps giving me E: Broken Package errors.. |
| 13:46.27 | AllNight^ | so i can scream to a few people for help :) |
| 13:46.32 | stew | _SD_Keo: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 13:46.48 | AllNight^ | yes... i think i can just pull the drive |
| 13:47.04 | AllNight^ | im chatting to a sys-admin friend of mine at the moment |
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| 13:47.15 | AllNight^ | im a Phd student (AI) - im not really a sys admin |
| 13:47.25 | cmot | Yo all! |
| 13:47.39 | AllNight^ | so im a little reluctant to start doing stuff to precious data... when someone much more skilled than I is willing to help :) |
| 13:47.42 | AllNight^ | hi cmeme |
| 13:47.49 | AllNight^ | cmot even! :) |
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| 13:48.32 | ben_ | Anyone: /win 3 |
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| 13:48.39 | Anyone | ben_, what? |
| 13:48.41 | ben_ | Anyone: sorry |
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| 13:48.59 | Anyone | ben_, np :) |
| 13:49.19 | cmot | Just installing my quite nice (but huge) Dell laptop... This is a SATA machine, and Debian's kernel (either etch d-i beta, or also latest 2.6.15 Debian package) consequently disables ATAPI. And thus doesn't see the CD-ROM at all :-( |
| 13:49.24 | dimir | Anyone: are you long time with this nick? |
| 13:49.24 | cmot | Any takers? |
| 13:49.52 | Anyone | dimir, no, I don't even "own" it. :-) |
| 13:50.11 | Anyone | dimir, well, I guess the client was configured with this nick for some time now. |
| 13:50.27 | cmot | (kernel message at boot: ata2(0): WARNING: ATAPI is disabled, device ignored.) |
| 13:50.31 | Maynard1 | can someone help me please? |
| 13:50.31 | dimir | Anyone: that figures. I was thinking it's hard to stay for a long with that nick because of highlights. |
| 13:50.42 | Quinn_Storm | cmot: hmm...*starts with google?* |
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| 13:50.58 | Anyone | dimir, I use it exclusively on this account on this computer. Its not my box though. |
| 13:51.05 | Kluster_v2 | !dell |
| 13:51.05 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/ |
| 13:51.36 | cmot | Kluster_v2, thanks, but Debian is running fine. Only the CD-Rom needs accessing now. |
| 13:51.37 | Quinn_Storm | cmot: from google: ATAPI devices are now supported on all controllers that support ATAPI (this is most of them), as of kernel 2.6.15. |
| 13:51.50 | Anyone | dimir, what about you - how long has your nick lasted so far? |
| 13:52.04 | Kluster_v2 | cmot, I thought there was a link for lappies in there, sry |
| 13:52.33 | cmot | Quinn_Storm, what's that supposed to tell me? That my CDROM ought to work? :-/ |
| 13:52.59 | spotted | aterm: can't load color "Black", colorID = 0, (29) |
| 13:53.00 | spotted | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.03 | Quinn_Storm | cmot: yeah, looks like the feature is turned off in the kernel config most likely |
| 13:53.04 | dimir | Anyone: about 3 years. |
| 13:53.11 | ben_ | Anyone: did the same that /msg dpkg 2006 key with F1D53D8C4F368D5D instead of given string and aptitude update doesn't complain any more :) |
| 13:53.14 | Anyone | dimir, what did you use before that? |
| 13:53.32 | Quinn_Storm | cmot: looks like you need a source-compiled kernel, get the debian kernel-package tool (I think its called) |
| 13:53.41 | comsa | f |
| 13:53.49 | Anyone | ben_, :-) |
| 13:53.49 | cmot | Quinn_Storm, Arrgh. And what do we have prepackaged kernels for, then... ? Hmmm. Will have to look closer. |
| 13:53.54 | Quinn_Storm | cmot: yeah, kernel-package is the name of the tool |
| 13:54.06 | Quinn_Storm | cmot: well the feature is probably not "stable" completely yet |
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| 13:55.23 | Quinn_Storm | I haven't yet used SATA myself as I still have really old hardware (in modern terms), an athlon original 1.2GHz system with one PATA 80GB drive (yeah I'm pathetic) |
| 13:56.19 | jm_ | cmot: is it enabled in BIOS? |
| 13:56.28 | cmot | Quinn_Storm, LOL. That's quite modern by my standard. I've recently (1 year now) a new PC that replaced a 350MHz system which was my main workhorse so far... |
| 13:56.39 | Kluster_v2 | Quinn_Storm, why upgrade if it suits your needs |
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| 13:56.55 | Quinn_Storm | well the only upgrade I really need is something > than my matrox g450 video card |
| 13:56.59 | cmot | jm_, well, Knoppix 4.0.2 worked fine from that drive.. |
| 13:57.21 | Quinn_Storm | cmot: my 400MHz system recently crapped out on me (old laptop with busted screen I got from my ex gf when the screen worked (I dropped it...)) |
| 13:57.31 | jm_ | cmot: try loading ide-cd and ide-generic modules, I have SATA systemhere with a custom kernel, and it works just fine, as does 2.6.14 Sarge kernel |
| 13:57.35 | Quinn_Storm | the flaky bios let it overheat one too many times |
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| 13:58.00 | MuSHaSHoS | hi |
| 13:58.03 | comsa | jj |
| 13:58.36 | MuSHaSHoS | ïî ðóññêè ãîâîðèò êòî íèòü?:) |
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| 13:58.43 | dimir | Íåò! |
| 13:58.54 | MuSHaSHoS | :) |
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| 13:59.08 | dimir | :-P |
| 13:59.47 | Anyone | diana, can I help you? |
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| 14:00.29 | Anyone | diana, please |
| 14:00.33 | dimir | Yeah, like, what the hell are you doing here! :-P |
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| 14:01.14 | comsa | n= ?? |
| 14:01.20 | MuSHaSHoS | me need help ) |
| 14:01.45 | cmot | jm_, ide-generic only notices some skipped ports (already in use), but doesn't add anythin in proc/ide |
| 14:01.48 | stew | MuSHaSHoS: if you have a question, ask it |
| 14:01.54 | MuSHaSHoS | i'm upadate system from sarge to etch |
| 14:02.01 | jm_ | cmot: you also need ide-cd and/or ide-disk |
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| 14:02.18 | c_k | Hi all |
| 14:02.19 | cmot | jm_, those are loaded,too. no news is bad news |
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| 14:02.27 | AllNight^ | hi c_k |
| 14:02.54 | dimir | MuSHaSHoS: apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 14:03.05 | comsa | hi c k |
| 14:03.06 | jm_ | cmot: and what about /sys/block, does it show only sda (your SATA disk)? |
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| 14:03.26 | ILF_ | anyone else have problems with 2.6.15-1-k7 not booting? |
| 14:03.27 | cmot | jm_, exactly |
| 14:03.48 | Anyone | ILF_, I have no problems anymore .. where did you download? |
| 14:03.48 | jm_ | cmot: pretty weird, works fine for me with ABIT motherboard and nForce chipset |
| 14:03.57 | Anyone | 2.6.15 |
| 14:04.01 | Anyone | is what I use |
| 14:04.11 | MuSHaSHoS | i'm compiling kernel 2.4.31 |
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| 14:04.19 | MuSHaSHoS | referred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i586 -nostdinc -iwithprefix include -DKBUILD_BASENAME=process -c -o process.o process.c |
| 14:04.20 | MuSHaSHoS | {standard input}: Assembler messages: |
| 14:04.20 | MuSHaSHoS | {standard input}:839: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov' |
| 14:04.20 | MuSHaSHoS | {standard input}:840: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov' |
| 14:04.20 | MuSHaSHoS | {standard input}:930: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov' |
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| 14:04.29 | ILF_ | Anyone: ftp.de.debian.org |
| 14:04.30 | dimir | Åñòü! |
| 14:04.47 | cmot | jm_, I'm extremely guessing here, but you probably had SATA and PATA on different controllers. I have an Intel chipset with apparently SATA and PATA on the same chip - so the SATA driver locks the resources, an independent PATA driver acn't access anyting. |
| 14:04.58 | Anyone | ILF_, I c .. didn't know it was already yet. |
| 14:04.59 | ILF_ | Anyone: did you use initramfs-tools or yaird? |
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| 14:05.10 | Anyone | ILF_, botgh I guess. |
| 14:05.11 | stew | !tell MuSHaSHoS about flood |
| 14:05.20 | Anyone | !flood MuSHaSHoS about tell |
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| 14:05.27 | dimir | :-P |
| 14:05.47 | jm_ | cmot: I think ahci driver handles both, IDE and SATA, but don't quote me on it |
| 14:06.00 | MuSHaSHoS | â îáùåì Æ |
| 14:06.11 | Anyone | MuSHaSHoS, is that hebrew, or free brew? |
| 14:06.31 | dimir | Anyone: Cyrillic! |
| 14:06.51 | goron | What's wrong with ASCII? |
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| 14:07.29 | ILF_ | about the topic: 2.6.14-2 was fixed recently iirc |
| 14:08.12 | stew | ILF_: yup |
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| 14:08.32 | diana | W: GPG error: http://mirrors.kernel.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
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| 14:08.38 | diana | How can I not get that warning? |
| 14:08.43 | stew | diana: /topic |
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| 14:09.03 | diana | thanks stew |
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| 14:09.54 | outlaw84 | is kernel.org down for you as well? I keep gething 403 forbidden |
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| 14:10.07 | fireba11 | outlaw84: yep |
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| 14:10.17 | MuSHaSHoS | gcc 3.3 |
| 14:10.26 | MuSHaSHoS | if gcc 4 |
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| 14:11.33 | MuSHaSHoS | dimir òû ñåðü¸çíî íå ãîâîðèøü ïî ðóññêè?:) |
| 14:12.08 | paces | lol |
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| 14:12.23 | diana | openoffice 2.0 goes into testing today? |
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| 14:12.44 | diana | outlaw84: nah kernel.org works...just the gpg key is different |
| 14:12.46 | Andor_ | afternoon, doesn anyone by any chance know when the apt-get update gpg-bstuff will be fixed? |
| 14:13.00 | diana | Andor_: This is a new year, that means a new key. |
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| 14:13.08 | diana | Andor_: always read the topic once you join a channel. |
| 14:13.15 | fireba11 | diana http://www.kernel.org is dead though |
| 14:13.30 | c_k | ahhhhhhhh I hate trying to redirect to other machines :-( |
| 14:13.39 | diana | fireba11: The mirrors.kernel.org subdomain is running fine though. |
| 14:13.44 | diana | fireba11: That is all you need anyway. |
| 14:13.46 | outlaw84 | diana: yea I can access http://www.kernel.org/pub/ and brows around from there... But I cant get the main page |
| 14:13.51 | stew | diana: yeah according to http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=openoffice.org |
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| 14:14.01 | diana | stew: awesome |
| 14:14.15 | diana | Now firefox 1.5 needs to go in...and everything will be good. |
| 14:14.17 | Andor_ | diana: sorry will check, but furstraed with a recent install which seams to fuckup everytime (testing cds are bobgus) |
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| 14:14.32 | spotted | :\ |
| 14:14.37 | stew | diana: firefox will probably be a while, its still got rc bugs |
| 14:14.58 | Tuttle_ | Is there some better program than iptraf that I can offer to my boss for looking at the instant ul/dl statistics? |
| 14:15.23 | user1 | ordinary users on my Testing system can't remove jobs from the print queue in GNOME. If I run gnome-cups-manager as root they can be removed. how do I enable this for ordinary users? is there a group to be a member of? I would have thought the 'lp' group but that doesn't enable it |
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| 14:16.06 | trym | is there an updates faq/howto for backports? |
| 14:16.14 | diana | stew: What time do packages officially go in? |
| 14:16.28 | diana | Do they go into debian.org first...then they are mirrored depending on the settings of each mirror. |
| 14:16.39 | stew | Andor_: testing CDs are beta, did you file an installation report? if you can't get them to work use a sarge cd and dist-upgrade |
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| 14:17.14 | diana | Tuttle_: mrtg is probably the best solution for you. |
| 14:17.45 | stew | diana: i'm not sure about that stuff |
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| 14:18.13 | spotted | How can I restore the Xorg rgb database? |
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| 14:18.26 | Tuttle_ | diana: is it able to animate the realtime speeds broken down to several eth interfaces and directions? |
| 14:18.56 | stew | spotted: what version of debian? which xserver? |
| 14:19.06 | diana | Tuttle_: yes |
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| 14:20.18 | MuSHaSHoS | people help me!) |
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| 14:20.22 | stew | spotted: is /etc/X11/rgb.txt completely gone? |
| 14:20.31 | Sheilong | ddddddddddd |
| 14:20.36 | stew | MuSHaSHoS: if you ask a question we'll try to help. you haven't asked a question yet |
| 14:20.38 | Eulex | when does the changes in /etc/security/limits.conf take effect? at relogin? |
| 14:21.05 | diana | Tuttle_: cacti is also very good. |
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| 14:21.16 | Sheilong | conect irc.brasnet.org |
| 14:21.22 | diana | Tuttle_: Not only can you show you boss bw...but virtually anything about any boxes. |
| 14:21.43 | diana | You can have pretty graphs for hundreds of boxes...showing all their cpu/ram/bw/processes/anything you want |
| 14:21.48 | diana | how many users logged on etc |
| 14:22.02 | takatumi | munin! |
| 14:22.03 | bizkit | is there a tool like 'deurlname' (which removes %20 etc. stuff from filenames) to remove any special chars like umlauts and so on from filenames? (using bash scripting and sed doesn't seem to be very fast with many many files..) |
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| 14:22.26 | Tuttle_ | diana: but mrtg and cacti both need bunch of other software. i was considering adding a ssh account to the firewall and let my boss peek at animated (curses?) app.. |
| 14:22.58 | jm_ | Tuttle_: take a look at darkstat |
| 14:23.24 | diana | Tuttle_: ncurses is ok...Tuttle_ but if you want a raise you show pretty graphs and guis. |
| 14:23.33 | diana | Assuming your boss is like most bosses and likes guis. |
| 14:23.44 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 14:23.53 | Tuttle_ | he's not like most bosses |
| 14:25.01 | Tuttle_ | he's technically oriented, so iptraf as a shell would suffice, just when it provided what i need |
| 14:25.03 | Anyone | tell Andor_ about gpg 2006 |
| 14:25.12 | Tuttle_ | looking at darkstat |
| 14:25.13 | spotted | Can anyone send me a standard xorg rgb.txt file pls? |
| 14:25.24 | spotted | I found out that with the new xorg I don't have it... |
| 14:25.26 | Anyone | spotted, sorry, I use XFree86 |
| 14:25.35 | spotted | Anyone, it should be the same I guess |
| 14:25.49 | spotted | it's just a txt file with black = anumber |
| 14:25.53 | spotted | white = anothernumber |
| 14:25.54 | Tuttle_ | darkstat tagline: "gathers all sorts of useless but interesting statistics" :)))) maybe this is what i need |
| 14:26.01 | spotted | Anyone, can you send me it? |
| 14:26.04 | Anyone | spotted, black white? |
| 14:26.08 | Anyone | oh |
| 14:26.09 | Anyone | sure |
| 14:26.11 | stew | spotted: were you running a pre-release xorg? |
| 14:26.20 | spotted | stew, I have got etch ^^ |
| 14:26.34 | jm_ | dakrstat is sort of lighter version of ntop |
| 14:27.09 | stew | spotted: is yours completely missing? why will you not answer any of my questions so i can try to help you? |
| 14:27.17 | Anyone | spotted, where is it? |
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| 14:27.38 | spotted | stew, I'm running etch and between my repositories there is both testing and unstable |
| 14:27.44 | spotted | as I need some unstable packages sometimes |
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| 14:27.57 | spotted | Anyone, /etc/X11/rgb.txt |
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| 14:28.04 | stew | spotted: reinstall x11-common with confmiss /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:28.25 | stew | that is, if its completely missing, which i don't know becuase you don't want to answer that |
| 14:28.30 | spotted | stew, I used dpkg-reconfigure package |
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| 14:28.56 | stew | dpkg-reconfigure shouldn't touch a conf file that you edited or removed |
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| 14:29.19 | spotted | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.23 | spotted | that is the location |
| 14:29.30 | stew | so if you are missing rgb.txt dpkg-reconfigure wouldn't touch it even it it wanted to (not that its a configurable item anyway) |
| 14:29.30 | spotted | but in that place there is a link to another location |
| 14:29.37 | spotted | /etc/X11/rgb.txt |
| 14:29.47 | stew | yup |
| 14:29.59 | spotted | how do I fix it? |
| 14:30.09 | spotted | moreover I have both xfree and xorg installed |
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| 14:30.12 | jm_ | by reading what people tell you on IRC when you ask them |
| 14:30.15 | spotted | but I chosed xorg as default |
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| 14:30.28 | stew | i give up |
| 14:30.40 | Ronin | me too stew, time for a beer |
| 14:30.40 | spotted | the file is completely missing |
| 14:30.50 | Ronin | second day back at work and im ready to punch out users |
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| 14:31.23 | _fred | Hi. I am trying to get some files from a friend from Apple iDisk. I found reference to asfsp utilities to do that online, but can't find that package. Anyone has any idea how I can do that? |
| 14:31.48 | _fred | On that page I found they say it's Appleshare over IP. I googled it also but didn't find much either... |
| 14:31.50 | spotted | stew, I have got a link pointing to a missing rgb.txt |
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| 14:32.27 | stew | spotted: yeah, i gathered, you should probably reinstall x11-common with confmiss like I told you a few minutes ago |
| 14:32.38 | bkervaski | Hi all. I'm having a very weird problem with Apache. Some pictures won't load through the browser from Apache. It's not permissions related. The files exist, they aren't corrupt. I can ftp them just fine. Only some files are affected, no apparent reason. I'm not using a proxy and I've cleared my browser cache. I've even rebooted the server, restarted Apache, etc. It's apache 1.3.33 (debian sarge). Any clues? |
| 14:32.39 | Anyone | _fred, try and ask in #debian-ppc |
| 14:32.55 | _fred | ok thanks. |
| 14:33.02 | stew | _fred: he means #debianppc |
| 14:33.07 | nkuttler | bkervaski: look into the logfiles |
| 14:33.09 | jm_ | bkervaski: check apache logs, see if browser requests it and what happens to the request etc. |
| 14:33.31 | _fred | ok... |
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| 14:34.18 | bkervaski | It says "Filed does not exist"... It does though.. I can ftp it to another box, open it, etc... It's more than one file, seperate dirs... But not all files are affected.. All the files are the same format ... weird ... |
| 14:34.27 | bkervaski | Filed = File |
| 14:35.03 | stew | bkervaski: read the apache error log and make sure that its really looking for the file you think it is |
| 14:35.16 | jm_ | it's probably looking for the file *elsewhere* |
| 14:35.16 | bkervaski | Ahh.. |
| 14:35.22 | bkervaski | It is... Weird... |
| 14:35.32 | bkervaski | It's looking in /usr/share/images ... |
| 14:35.36 | bkervaski | AH!!! |
| 14:35.38 | bkervaski | Alias! |
| 14:35.39 | jm_ | alias? |
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| 14:35.41 | jm_ | heh |
| 14:35.51 | bkervaski | Thanks!! Sometimes it just helps to talk about the problem .. heh .. |
| 14:36.33 | chbug | hi! where should the new ftpmaster gpg key be fetched from? I'm getting warnings when running aptitude |
| 14:36.45 | bbrazil | chbug: /topic |
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| 14:37.36 | chbug | bbrazil, tx :-} |
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| 14:38.46 | Anyone | stew, thanks |
| 14:42.19 | KLD | gpg keys get updated yearly I presume |
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| 14:44.41 | bkervaski | I just installed Deb on a dual 2.4GHz XEON w/2GB RDRAM .. It screams .. |
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| 14:45.36 | stew | bkervaski: you can try rmmod pcspkr |
| 14:45.40 | JayPiKay | hi, My firefox totaly freeze when I'm trying to open the preferences or when I clicked on a link to download it. |
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| 14:46.34 | bkervaski | @stew - heh - no, screams as in fast as hell ... |
| 14:47.11 | aynjrz | Hello - just tried to update package list in aptitude on Testing, but said could not find GPG key for source. How come? |
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| 14:47.28 | ke6isf | !tell aynjrz -about apt-secure |
| 14:47.31 | bbrazil | !topicsmite aynjrz |
| 14:47.31 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon aynjrz. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:47.39 | ke6isf | ...oops. |
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| 14:47.48 | bbrazil | ke6isf: I got it :) |
| 14:47.56 | ke6isf | bbrazil: Indeed. =^^= |
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| 14:52.24 | stew | ke6isf: i wouldn't blow too many cycles on it ;) |
| 14:52.32 | bbrazil | ke6isf: isn't that the trigger for ravenbird? |
| 14:52.35 | bbrazil | @test |
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| 14:53.02 | ke6isf | bbrazil: Yeah, it is. |
| 14:53.13 | ke6isf | stew: Probably not, I just think it's kinda weird. |
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| 15:00.13 | botsy | do you know if i use procmail + fetchmail and if i want procmail separate mail in different files ( one mail one file ) if it's necessary i change my main.cf for postfix or it's just necessary i changed my .procmailrc and my .fetchmailrc files ? |
| 15:01.04 | ke6isf | botsy: No, it's not necessary. |
| 15:01.08 | |plainoc| | botsy: look for maildir support... i think procmail can do it... |
| 15:01.16 | ke6isf | botsy: And I'm amazed I was able to parse that. =O.o= |
| 15:01.51 | ke6isf | botsy: main.cf will affect the entire machine when yo change it for postfix, but will not affect Fetchmail's or Procmail's operation. |
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| 15:02.08 | botsy | ok |
| 15:02.45 | RichiH | is there a page that will show which programs will be borked by libc6-i686? |
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| 15:03.58 | Ungy | anyone getting a public key not available error from ftp.debian.org? |
| 15:04.10 | Anyone | Ungy, no .. but |
| 15:04.16 | takatumi | can the topic blink? |
| 15:04.24 | Anyone | !tell ungy about gpg 2006 |
| 15:04.28 | Ronin | takatumi: bet it wouldn't matter :) |
| 15:04.34 | Anyone | !tell ungy about gpg 2006 key |
| 15:04.43 | Anyone | !tell ungy about 2006 key |
| 15:04.45 | Ungy | doh I checked topic and skipped the first line my bad |
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| 15:06.42 | towrow | is it true that if i have the line "vga=791" in lilo.conf, it would also appear in /proc/cmdline? |
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| 15:07.26 | stew | towrow: not necessarily, but if it were passed to the currently running kernel at boot time by lilo then yes |
| 15:07.50 | towrow | stew: how to ensure that this will occur? |
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| 15:08.52 | stew | towrow: are you trying to set it for all kerenls or just for one? |
| 15:09.18 | Ungy | de ja vue |
| 15:09.39 | towrow | stew: just for one. |
| 15:10.36 | stew | towrow: did you add a vga=791 line to the stanza for that kernel? |
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| 15:11.26 | towrow | stew: don't know what a stanza is, but i have it in lilo.conf. i use lilo.. |
| 15:11.52 | stew | towrow: yes, i'm talking about lilo.conf, a stanza is roughly equivalent to a paragraph |
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| 15:12.19 | ph8 | Hi guys, this is something i've had to do loads of times but i always forget! I'm trying to change my timezone from EST to GMT and i've forgotten what i need to do, could anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 15:12.29 | stew | towrow: the "stanzas" i'm referring to in lilo.conf start with image=/... |
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| 15:12.42 | Anyone | ph8, tzconfig |
| 15:12.54 | Anyone | ph8, as root |
| 15:13.09 | ph8 | cheers |
| 15:13.23 | towrow | stew: yes, lilo.conf has a line starting with 'image=..' |
| 15:13.23 | Anyone | :) |
| 15:13.38 | Anyone | !seen everyone |
| 15:13.38 | dpkg | Anyone: i haven't seen 'everyone' |
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| 15:14.01 | towrow | stew: my vga= line is after the image= line. |
| 15:14.03 | stew | towrow: it likely has more than one, find the one for the kernel you are trying to edit, add a vga=791 to that stanza, save, quit and run "lilo", then reboot |
| 15:14.18 | stew | towrow: have you run lilo since you put it there? |
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| 15:15.48 | Toastie_ | Anyone knows a remote control daemon that works with small packets over high-packet-loss channels? |
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| 15:16.26 | towrow | stew: yes. i am not sure about stanza. there is one file with a few lines. vga= is one of them, after the image= line. is that correctly done? |
| 15:16.41 | stew | towrow: yes |
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| 15:17.21 | Andor_ | afternoon: I've just installed a box using the netinstall image 3.1.31 released just before xmas (24th-12 2005) after installing and duing part of the base-config within the install (second stage) adn reboot, the base-install starts agian, after competing this, base-config keeps looping |
| 15:17.27 | towrow | stew: why during boot-up a msg said it is not found in /proc/cmdline? |
| 15:17.47 | towrow | it being "vga=791". |
| 15:17.48 | stew | towrow: have you run /sbin/lilo since you edited lilo.conf? |
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| 15:18.24 | towrow | stew: shit, i don't think i have. i just re-boot. that is the problem. |
| 15:19.00 | towrow | i think that is the problem. let me try. thks. |
| 15:19.11 | ansong | ok, i had tried some of the xcompmgr stuff yesterday. but of course it made my system too slow. so i put my xorg.conf back the way it was, logout, <ctrl>-<alt>-<bkspace>, re-login, and now the panel that holds all open tasks, doesn't anymore. what did i do? |
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| 15:20.06 | csc1 | hi guys |
| 15:20.16 | csc1 | I'm trying to connect in a imap server |
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| 15:20.53 | Tenkawa | Anyone having problems with X.org and sync rates in last few days? |
| 15:21.03 | SimonRaven | fireba11: ftp still works ftp://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.15 |
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| 15:21.22 | fireba11 | SimonRaven: i know .. it's just the main page |
| 15:21.34 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 15:21.38 | Anyone | Tenkawa, I didn't. I use XFree86. However, someone else did. |
| 15:21.50 | Tenkawa | Anyone: bummer. |
| 15:21.52 | Anyone | Tenkawa, have problems with X.org, that is. |
| 15:21.57 | Tenkawa | nod |
| 15:21.59 | Andor_ | ohyeah, additionally logging in on the 2nd console, it keeps iritating me about a fake start-stop-daemon |
| 15:22.04 | SimonRaven | fireba11: i should add :P to 'ftp still works' |
| 15:22.20 | Andor_ | has anyone a fix for this or do I need to get another install cd and try again? |
| 15:22.50 | Anyone | andax, a fix for what? |
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| 15:22.50 | dhuv | hello all |
| 15:22.51 | Anyone | Andor_, a fix for what? |
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| 15:23.07 | Anyone | andax, sorry .. nickcompletion failed, and I didn't notice in time. :/ |
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| 15:23.33 | Tenkawa | getting signal out of range errors :( |
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| 15:23.37 | stew | Andor_: this is the etch installer? |
| 15:23.41 | kombi | which package is pstree in? |
| 15:23.52 | stew | kombi: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:24.32 | kombi | stew: that's precisely what we did, but there was no pstree in testing.. |
| 15:25.43 | stew | !find bin/pstree testing |
| 15:25.43 | Andor_ | Anyone: for the fact that base-config (sorry posted some longer line earlier) keeps looping after completing it actually I think it won't finish some stuff and therefore ai keep also getting the fake start-stop-daemon problems |
| 15:25.44 | Andor_ | stew: the installer itself was form the 3.1 disks which I think is stable right? |
| 15:25.45 | Tenkawa | uggh |
| 15:25.52 | Andor_ | stew: 3.1.r1 |
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| 15:26.05 | ralfWORK | anyone have recommendations an mass debian installations? |
| 15:26.08 | ralfWORK | I'm devising a setup using SVN for config file management, but it's a bit goofy |
| 15:26.15 | Anyone | Andor_, no, I don't have a fix for that .. I'm on sarge. |
| 15:26.28 | Anyone | ralfWORK, there is a package for it .. but I don't recall the name. |
| 15:26.35 | Andor_ | Anyone: ack |
| 15:26.37 | ralfWORK | so that I can have say, the same config files on all systems |
| 15:26.39 | ralfWORK | Anyone: bah! k |
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| 15:27.03 | Anyone | ralfWORK, search on package.debian.org ... |
| 15:27.13 | litb | is there a tool to configure the mouseweel? |
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| 15:27.21 | litb | or just activate the wheel? |
| 15:27.27 | Anyone | ralfWORK, I don't think they use the word "mass" in the description .. rather "automated" or something. |
| 15:27.31 | kombi | stew: neither apt-cache search nor find / -name pstree show pstree, has that thing vanished? |
| 15:27.33 | litb | because i can't use it here with xorg6.8.2 |
| 15:27.34 | slake | I have just installed debian 3.1 stable... how would I use apt-get to install mplayer? |
| 15:27.38 | |plainoc| | ralfWORK: some posts about stuff like that have been on planet.debian.org |
| 15:27.47 | slake | Do I have to add a third-party package repository? |
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| 15:27.54 | kombi | slake: exactly |
| 15:27.58 | ralfWORK | Anyone: ahh ok |
| 15:28.03 | stew | kombi: /msg dpkg apt-file ; then apt-file search bin/pstree |
| 15:28.06 | slake | Could someone recommend one? |
| 15:28.06 | |plainoc| | ralfWORK: i think that planet has a search... |
| 15:28.16 | stew | Andor_: see if anyone has reported similar issues on either bugs.debian.org/debian-installer or bugs.debian.org/base-config |
| 15:28.23 | slake | I am new to debian, what file would I edit to do that? |
| 15:28.38 | ralfWORK | |plainoc|: ok, let me check |
| 15:28.39 | stew | slake: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 15:28.47 | stew | slake: man sources.list |
| 15:29.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/pstree' (1): (/usr/bin/{pstree|pstree.x11}) in admin/psmisc. |
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| 15:29.21 | stew | kombi: ^^^ |
| 15:29.27 | |plainoc| | ralfWORK: something with svk AFAIR |
| 15:29.35 | slake | Ok, cool. |
| 15:29.36 | Anyone | stew, I am pretty sure I didn't though. |
| 15:29.37 | kombi | slake: edit /etc/sources.list |
| 15:29.51 | stew | Anyone: you didn't what? |
| 15:29.58 | slake | Oh, and where would I find the official repository of non-free packages? The Sarge installer didn't ask me if I wanted to include those... |
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| 15:30.17 | kombi | thanks stew! |
| 15:30.18 | Anyone | stew, report similar issues on either bugs.debian.org/debian-installer or bugs.debian.org/base-config |
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| 15:30.28 | stew | slake: edit sources.list, where it says main, change it to "man contrib non-free" |
| 15:30.31 | Anyone | stew, ;-) |
| 15:30.42 | ralfWORK | erm. not seeing a search on planet |
| 15:30.56 | stew | Anyone: did you haven similar issues and not report them? |
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| 15:31.09 | Andor_ | stew: ack |
| 15:31.13 | Anyone | stew, I didn't even have simular issues. |
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| 15:31.24 | stew | Anyone: are you just trying to be cute or something then? |
| 15:31.46 | Anyone | stew, Well, I did comb my fur today .. |
| 15:32.05 | Anyone | :) |
| 15:32.09 | stew | Anyone: please stop |
| 15:32.15 | Anyone | stew, You said he should check if I reported. |
| 15:32.17 | csch | stew: can you help me to configure imap ? |
| 15:32.25 | Anyone | stew, was a joke .. sorry. |
| 15:32.52 | csch | stew: I'm running qmail with vpopmail |
| 15:32.55 | Anyone | stew, managed to convince myself it would be funny, you see. |
| 15:33.09 | slake | ok, I am having some problems with apt-get, it says that it can't find directories |
| 15:33.13 | stew | Anyone: please stop talking to me unless you have a question |
| 15:33.24 | csch | stew: how can I configure imap to authenticate qmail users ? |
| 15:33.29 | slake | this is what I edited in my sources.list |
| 15:33.47 | slake | deb http://[...] stable main contrib non-free |
| 15:33.49 | stew | csch: is vpopmail an imap server? or are you still trying to get courier working? |
| 15:33.57 | slake | is that correct? |
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| 15:34.29 | csch | stew: vpopmail is used with qmail to manage multiple domains |
| 15:34.31 | stew | slake: yes, btw you are not going to find mplayer in non-free if that is what you are looking for |
| 15:34.36 | Anyone | stew, I wonder if I need a kernel module for my remote receiver in my hauppage PCI-FM model 647 or 747 (not sure which). There is no /dev/input/event* devices, and if I create them, they're not working. |
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| 15:34.48 | csch | stew: I installed courier-imap do use with webmail |
| 15:34.58 | stew | csch: i don't know anything about configuring vpopmail |
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| 15:35.27 | slake | ok, well, with that edit to my sources.list, now apt-cache keeps giving me errors about not being able top state source packages |
| 15:35.30 | slake | so, I was concerned |
| 15:35.43 | csch | stew: no, not vpopmail |
| 15:35.52 | ansong | ok, suddenly my taskbar quits keeping a list of open apps. can someone help me out? |
| 15:35.54 | csch | stew: I need to configure courier-imap |
| 15:35.59 | stew | csch: where are the users stored for qmail? |
| 15:36.20 | csch | stew: I use qmailadmin to add users |
| 15:36.30 | Andor_ | stew: is 3.1 stbale or testing? btw |
| 15:36.37 | Andor_ | stable even |
| 15:36.40 | Ungy | Andor_, stable |
| 15:36.43 | stew | csch: i'm not really concerned with how you add them, but where they are stored |
| 15:37.19 | Andor_ | hmm, broken as well then :( /me reading bug reports ... |
| 15:37.19 | Anyone | ansong, dunno, but maybe I can. right click it and choose quit or exit. Then restart it. |
| 15:38.14 | slake | Once I have added third party repositories to my sources.list, do I need to do anything to confirm it? |
| 15:38.27 | Ungy | stew, isn't the default /home/vpopmail/? |
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| 15:39.28 | stew | Ungy: no i mean the user accoutns, are they in a userdb? are they in mysql? /etc/passwd? yesterday he said /etc/passwd but i doubt he's actually adding thing to /etc/passwd with a qmail specific tool |
| 15:39.41 | ansong | Anyone, I'm using gnome. i've right-clicked, chosen "delete this panel", then right-clicked the applications panel, chosen "new panel." i've restarted X several times hoping it would work *this* time, etc |
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| 15:40.53 | pbrunier | ansong: Sorry I can't help you. Never happened to me. I recently switched to XFCE. Works great |
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| 15:41.01 | __PGC__ | whoami |
| 15:41.11 | __PGC__ | hi |
| 15:41.15 | pbrunier | hi |
| 15:41.18 | pbrunier | whoareyou |
| 15:41.20 | pbrunier | lol |
| 15:41.26 | __PGC__ | hehehe ... dunno :P |
| 15:41.34 | XTL | ansong: My guess would be that you removed the panel applet (?) that shows the windows. (I don't use gnome myself either. Ion2) |
| 15:41.41 | Ungy | stew, ahh OK your looking for where qmail defaults it's authentication |
| 15:41.42 | __PGC__ | I'm a guy having a issue with k3b :P .... |
| 15:42.05 | pbrunier | __PGC__: We're not family |
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| 15:42.09 | __PGC__ | it doesn't get any further than 'Creating GUI' .... does anyone know what causes this ? |
| 15:42.21 | csch | stew: I founded 2 files: vpasswd and vapasswd.cdb |
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| 15:42.27 | dpy | hey __PGC__, dude |
| 15:42.32 | csch | vpasswd.csb |
| 15:42.34 | csch | cdb |
| 15:42.37 | __PGC__ | hey DPY, dude :P |
| 15:42.41 | ansong | pbrunier, i switched _from_ XFCE about 2 months ago. |
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| 15:42.46 | csch | vpasswd.cdb :) |
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| 15:43.46 | csch | stew: these files are stored in /home/vpopmail/domains/tributario.info/ |
| 15:44.08 | ansong | it's really frustrating to minimize something out of habit, and then look up to the taskbar and nothing's there. |
| 15:44.11 | stew | csch: edit /etc/courier/imapd (and imapd-ssl if you use ssl) and switch AUTHMODULES="authdaemon to AUTHMODULES="authvchkpw" and restart imap |
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| 15:44.21 | ralfWORK | bleh. planet.debian.org doesn't seem to be usefull |
| 15:44.22 | dpy | __PGC__: all capitals is considered shouting on IRC |
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| 15:44.45 | dhuv | I have an ati radeon 9600 in my T42 and I was wondering if anybody knew of a way to use the s-video out with the radeon driver in Xorg. The reason I want to use the radeon driver is because I heard of acpi problems returning from standby with fglx |
| 15:45.05 | __PGC__ | dpy > I know ....names are exception though |
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| 15:45.25 | XTL | ansong: tried adding a window list applet (back) into the panel? |
| 15:45.34 | andax | dhuv: you're not alone with this problem :) |
| 15:45.38 | Triffid_Hunter | dhuv: what happens if you boot up with s-video connected to something but not vga/dvi? |
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| 15:46.39 | __PGC__ | anyone ever had the same issue with k3b ? :S |
| 15:46.42 | dhuv | havent tried booting up with the tv connected |
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| 15:47.05 | andax | dhuv: i did, it doesn't work. |
| 15:47.06 | Anyone | PGC: I never got k3b running. |
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| 15:47.16 | dhuv | andax: :) |
| 15:47.33 | mo1991 | can someone help me get me printer going in samaba using swat - samba and swat are up and running - plus my printer is up and running - trying to share with xp machine |
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| 15:47.43 | ansong | XTL, it quit working yesterday when i was dinking around with the xorg.conf. i had installed xcompmgr and transset (both uninstalled now) and was looking at how slow compositing made my desktop. i decided the eye candy wasn't worth it, and reverted back to my old xorg.conf. that's when i noticed something was wrong |
| 15:47.44 | dhuv | andax: what do you do to use the s-video out? |
| 15:47.46 | Triffid_Hunter | __PGC__: k3b did that to me if i had the cdemu kernel module loaded.. |
| 15:47.49 | kurumin | Oi |
| 15:47.51 | mo1991 | not sure how to get swat to recognize my printer and share or how to get XP to see it |
| 15:48.07 | Anyone | ansong, its not the pack .. you need to add the applet .. right click on the panel, and choose add something. |
| 15:48.15 | __PGC__ | triffid > how do I check if that module is loaded ? |
| 15:48.21 | Triffid_Hunter | __PGC__: lsmod |
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| 15:48.30 | andax | dhuv: i have 2 config files one with "fglrx" and one with "radeon", and I have a bash script to switch between them :) |
| 15:48.33 | __PGC__ | dog |
| 15:48.36 | __PGC__ | doh |
| 15:48.52 | __PGC__ | k..checked...not installed :S |
| 15:49.50 | ansong | XTL, Anyone, when i "add to panel" and choose "window list" nothing happens. |
| 15:49.56 | Andor_ | hmm 3.131 netinst is broken completely gonna retry with a full binary-cd and see if that will fix it (sicne I see a couple of tormwarp bug reports on the site which seamed to be reading fixed) |
| 15:49.57 | dhuv | andax: I have read of people doing that, that might be the best idea |
| 15:50.07 | Andor_ | 3.1.r1 |
| 15:50.30 | fleuret | am I the only one with a freezing xorg 6.9.0 ? |
| 15:50.33 | Anyone | ansong, try add something else .. I think windows list might not be what you think it is. |
| 15:50.43 | Anyone | fleuret, probably not. |
| 15:50.43 | stew | fleuret: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:50.43 | Eulex | Andor_, "is broken completely"? in what way does it not work? |
| 15:50.44 | XTL | might be that there's something fishy causing the panel/applet not to work. One more reason for me to be happy not running gnome :) |
| 15:51.08 | fleuret | stew just checked, dont find my bug :) |
| 15:51.22 | dhuv | andax: so with fglx, the tvout works well? can you send me your xorg.conf? |
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| 15:51.51 | ansong | Anyone, adding "window selector" doesn't do anything either. |
| 15:52.01 | stew | fleuret: if yours is reproducable, please file a bug |
| 15:52.05 | Andor_ | Eulex: base-config keeps getting restarted after completing it i.e. the inittab isn't rewritten so it keeps spawning base-config and termwrap, killing it doesn't help (by manually rewriting inittab) leaving the system incomplete with a warning on a fake start-stop-daemon |
| 15:52.26 | XTL | I wonder if the tasklist showed as a process and if you could start it manually or something and see if it complains to stderr etc |
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| 15:52.51 | XTL | see if it hangs or just runs but does nothing |
| 15:52.52 | stew | Andor_: try asking in #debian-boot which is the channel for the installer developers |
| 15:53.04 | fleuret | stew, repoductible it is, clear it is not ... even when I switch off any fancy option (dri, agp whatever), the server freeze (i.e. no response anymore) when I type the second letter of my login in xdm :) |
| 15:53.16 | Andor_ | ack |
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| 15:53.23 | fleuret | stew even alt-ctrl-fn does nothing |
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| 15:54.01 | Eulex | Anyone, umh... yes, that's pretty critical. ask in #debian-boot, as stew said, and file bugs. btw, I suspect that the new installer architecture that is coming for etch would solve your problems. |
| 15:54.20 | ansong | XTL, i have no idea what to run. i might go back to XFCE |
| 15:54.35 | Anyone | Eulex, you mean andor_, right? |
| 15:55.00 | Anyone | Eulex, Andor_, even.. |
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| 15:55.09 | Anyone | Eulex, he left though. |
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| 15:55.36 | Eulex | Anyone, yeah, I did. tab completion is evil :) |
| 15:55.42 | deadline | i want to set variables for added users (others than the default ones) like a different home dir, chmods etc...but i dont want to execute a script manually. can i somehow set these variables globally so that they are executed automatically when i add a user with useradd username ? |
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| 15:56.37 | andax | dhuv : you have a dcc send waiting |
| 15:56.59 | spotted | How is the name of the program to reinstall configuration files? |
| 15:57.02 | spotted | deconf? |
| 15:57.07 | botsy | if i modify .procmailrc it's not necessary i restart postfix or fetchmail or other ? |
| 15:57.21 | stew | spotted: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:57.23 | bbrazil | spotted: dpkg -i --force-confmiss |
| 15:57.24 | spotted | thx |
| 15:57.31 | fleuret | stew, my mistake. similar bug has been reported on almost the same config as mine |
| 15:57.36 | sifi-x | andax, how do I send a file with DCC? |
| 15:58.16 | XTL | botsy: afaik, procmail is run once per mail and it reads that conf each time it's run. So no, next run should obey the new rc. |
| 15:58.27 | Anyone | Eulex, he left, unfortunately .-) |
| 15:58.30 | botsy | ok thank XTL |
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| 15:59.00 | Eulex | Anyone, yeah, I noticed that |
| 15:59.09 | Anyone | :) |
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| 16:00.24 | andax | sifi-x : /dcc send nickname file in most clients. (if you're behind nat you have insmod ip_nat_irc on the box doing nat) |
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| 16:03.16 | rw-rw-r-- | Anyone have any information on xorg 6.9 in unstable ignoring xinitrc and x-session defaults and only running xterm? |
| 16:03.38 | Eulex | rw-rw-r--, checked the btw? |
| 16:03.41 | Eulex | *bts |
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| 16:04.35 | ralfWORK | hrm |
| 16:04.37 | ralfWORK | cfengine |
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| 16:05.48 | Tagor | Hi |
| 16:06.08 | Tagor | Can someone tell me how to reinstall a program with apt-get and remove all .conf files of that program |
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| 16:06.51 | pipeline | Tagor: remove it with the --purge option |
| 16:06.51 | dbrock | a new version of a package was just uploaded, and I would like to see the changes (not just the changelog entry) before installing it. How do I do this? |
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| 16:07.31 | Tagor | Nobody? |
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| 16:07.40 | fleuret | hooOOo |
| 16:07.41 | fleuret | btw |
| 16:07.46 | fleuret | something I never understood |
| 16:07.50 | Eulex | !btw |
| 16:07.50 | dpkg | btw is, like, by the way |
| 16:08.00 | fleuret | what is the syntax to install a given version of a certain package ? |
| 16:08.03 | stew | dbrock: get the .diff.gz from the source package page on pdo |
| 16:08.14 | stew | fleuret: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 16:08.15 | _Casper | Tagor: You've been answered. |
| 16:08.17 | fleuret | and I did actually RTFM |
| 16:08.22 | Tagor | Thanks pipeline :) |
| 16:08.22 | Eulex | fleuret, apt-get install package=version |
| 16:08.39 | NOthsouth | hello, i'm just install vino on my sarge, but when I connect by vncviewer on vino-server. I got just a terminal.. how can I see the desktop, icons, startbar, etc .. ? |
| 16:08.42 | dbrock | stew: and then get the current .diff.gz and run interdiff? |
| 16:08.43 | stew | oh, doh i misread that one |
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| 16:08.51 | DimGR_lap | hello |
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| 16:09.05 | DimGR_lap | how do i put a .deb package on hold so it doesnt try to upgrade? |
| 16:09.13 | stew | dbrock: sounds right |
| 16:09.19 | fleuret | echo "packagename hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 16:09.19 | stew | DimGR_lap: /msg dpkg hold |
| 16:09.20 | stouset | DimGR_lap: In aptitude, hit = |
| 16:09.30 | DimGR_lap | thanks |
| 16:09.40 | stouset | Has anyone been able to find the new public key for the Debian archive yet? |
| 16:09.48 | Eulex | !2006 key |
| 16:09.49 | dpkg | run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 16:10.17 | takatumi | or gpg --recv 2D230C5F; gpg --export 2D230C5F |sudo apt-key add - |
| 16:10.18 | stew | !tell stouset about topicbadger stouset |
| 16:10.23 | RichiH | and next time, let's hope they think of doing that in november ;) |
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| 16:10.42 | ralfWORK | Anyone: it appears cfengine might be what I'm looking for, fwiw |
| 16:11.08 | SlayerXP | cfengine is lovely |
| 16:11.22 | stouset | stew: Dammit. Thanks :P |
| 16:11.28 | DimGR_lap | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.29 | DimGR_lap | dpkg: unexpected end of line in package name at line 1 |
| 16:11.29 | ralfWORK | SlayerXP: yea? |
| 16:11.33 | fleuret | eulex if I am under unstable, I can't install a stable version directly with apt-get ? sorry if that's a dumb question |
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| 16:11.35 | ralfWORK | it looks perfect for what I want |
| 16:11.42 | dbrock | how easy is it to shoot yourself in the foot with gpg? |
| 16:11.50 | Anyone | ralfWORK, nice. |
| 16:11.59 | Anyone | tell stouset about 2006 key |
| 16:12.01 | SlayerXP | ralfWORK: I've used it to manage some very big data centres. |
| 16:12.05 | ralfWORK | dbrock: the only way I've shot myself in the foot with gpg is submitting keys to keyservers I didn't mean to :P |
| 16:12.05 | fleuret | dim it's echo xserver-xorg hold | ... |
| 16:12.07 | bbrazil | dbrock: not too easy - what are you trying to do? |
| 16:12.09 | NOthsouth | where can I configurate vino setting ? |
| 16:12.09 | fleuret | you forgot the 'hold' |
| 16:12.12 | Anyone | !tell stouset about 2006 key |
| 16:12.16 | ralfWORK | SlayerXP: I'm looking at ~10 debian machines here |
| 16:12.21 | Eulex | fleuret, possible but dangerous. I'd try with the packages from testing instead. |
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| 16:12.31 | dbrock | ralfWORK: hmm, and what's bad about that? |
| 16:12.33 | ralfWORK | not many, but enough to scream everytime things need to be done globally |
| 16:12.40 | fleuret | eulex but it's not the "=" syntax alone for that ? |
| 16:12.40 | SlayerXP | ralfWORK: it will save you tens if not hundreds of hours |
| 16:12.47 | ralfWORK | dbrock: keys are never removed from the servers :) |
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| 16:13.00 | ralfWORK | *never* |
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| 16:13.07 | ralfWORK | SlayerXP: that's what I want to hear |
| 16:13.10 | __PGC__ | arggh...this is annoying |
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| 16:13.13 | dbrock | bbrazil: nothing in particular, I just get nervous everytime I have to do someting I don't understand |
| 16:13.17 | Eulex | fleuret, you will need -t stable too, to make it install the dependencies of it from stable. btw, do you have apt sources from stable? |
| 16:13.23 | stouset | stew: So, out of curiosity, why wasn't the key available until now? Shouldn't publishing it to a keyserver be automatic or something? :\ |
| 16:13.23 | bbrazil | dbrock: paranoia is good :) |
| 16:13.45 | dbrock | like the ``gpg --recv 2D230C5F; gpg --export 2D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -'' thing --- I don't understand what it does |
| 16:13.55 | fleuret | eulex I feat I dont, only unstable in the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:13.57 | fleuret | anyway |
| 16:14.05 | stouset | dbrock: It retrieves a GPG public key, and adds it to apt's key cache. |
| 16:14.08 | fleuret | I'll go on doing it by hand from the .deb :P |
| 16:14.21 | Eulex | fleuret, what are you trying to downgrade, btw? |
| 16:14.25 | ralfWORK | dbrock: what I'm saying is only applicable to you sending one of *your* keys to a keyserver btw |
| 16:14.25 | fleuret | wpasupplicant |
| 16:14.33 | stew | stouset: dunno, don probably knows. possibly having automated stuff to move keys around would be a vulnerability |
| 16:14.35 | ralfWORK | other than that, there's not too much rope to shoot yourself in the foot with |
| 16:14.35 | dbrock | if I didn't understand Unix and went on IRC to ask how to do X, someone could say `sudo rm -rf /' or `sudo kill -1' or something, and I wouldn't know until it was too late |
| 16:15.07 | Eulex | fleuret, ok. was afraid you were trying to downgrade X. then you'd have to download a lot of .debs :) |
| 16:15.10 | __PGC__ | anyone an idea what might be causing k3b to hang at "Creating GUI" |
| 16:15.15 | fleuret | eulex ... I did :) |
| 16:15.17 | ralfWORK | SlayerXP: cfengine says it works on Windows as well... had any experience with that? |
| 16:15.21 | stouset | stew: True enough, but then again, that same line of reasoning extends to generating the key itself. So if someone generated the key, why didn't they publish it? :) |
| 16:15.28 | __PGC__ | I use the most recent stable distribution ... |
| 16:15.28 | dbrock | ralfWORK: what's bad about having your key on some random keyserver? |
| 16:15.30 | Anyone | __PGC__, no, I never got k3b working. |
| 16:15.36 | stew | stouset: right |
| 16:15.41 | SlayerXP | ralfWORK: praise Bob no, I haven't |
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| 16:15.43 | __PGC__ | it used to work allright... |
| 16:15.54 | ralfWORK | dbrock: it's public data that will never go away |
| 16:16.05 | fleuret | eulex, I msged you an ugly bash line I used to wget all the x .deb |
| 16:16.09 | Maynard1 | can anyone help me with a dma_timer_expiry error when installing debian?? |
| 16:16.12 | fleuret | but you blocked it :) |
| 16:16.13 | ralfWORK | SlayerXP: was just curios :) |
| 16:16.26 | Eulex | fleuret, /topic |
| 16:16.26 | Anyone | Maynard1, sorry no .. I am trying to get a remote working .. and I have really no idea. |
| 16:16.29 | pipeline | Maynard1: Sounds like a hardware problem. Are you using 40-pin IDE cables? |
| 16:16.32 | ralfWORK | dbrock: here's a good example |
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| 16:16.38 | Maynard1 | yeah |
| 16:16.40 | ralfWORK | say you have a side business |
| 16:16.45 | Maynard1 | but it installed ok the other day |
| 16:16.46 | pipeline | Maynard1: Well, there's your problem. |
| 16:16.49 | Maynard1 | with no erros |
| 16:16.50 | pipeline | Maynard1: Throw them away. |
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| 16:16.54 | daxxar | Say I developed some software, and I want to make a deb, and submit it to debian. Where should I go for an example? |
| 16:16.55 | fleuret | eulex so ? |
| 16:16.55 | Maynard1 | what? |
| 16:16.56 | pipeline | Maynard1: Buy 80-pin cables. |
| 16:17.02 | Maynard1 | ok |
| 16:17.03 | ralfWORK | so you create a key for "John Doe <jdoe@newcorp.com>" |
| 16:17.05 | dbrock | assume I know nothing about GPG or PGP or encryption in general, and assume you want to screw me over as much as possible, and assume I just came in here asking how to do something related to GPG --- what would you tell me to do? |
| 16:17.05 | Eulex | fleuret, freenode blocks msgs from unregistered users. also, you shouldn't msg anyone. |
| 16:17.09 | ralfWORK | and you have one for where you work today |
| 16:17.10 | daxxar | Or a howto, guide. :) |
| 16:17.14 | fleuret | gni ? |
| 16:17.15 | fleuret | ok |
| 16:17.16 | pipeline | Maynard1: Man, I was expecting that to be a much harder problem to solve :P |
| 16:17.20 | Maynard1 | but they're only ata 33 ide controllers |
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| 16:17.21 | ralfWORK | "John Doe <jdoe@company.com>" |
| 16:17.28 | fleuret | I am not sure to understand the underlying philosophy, but ok |
| 16:17.39 | ralfWORK | now if someone looks for keys owned by "John Doe" and both are on keyservers |
| 16:17.41 | ralfWORK | they'll get both |
| 16:17.43 | Maynard1 | how come it installed the other day though pipeline? |
| 16:17.49 | Maynard1 | with no errors |
| 16:17.54 | ralfWORK | if you weren't supposed to be starting newcorp.com, your ass would be in a sling |
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| 16:18.10 | dbrock | ralfWORK: ah, okay |
| 16:18.13 | ralfWORK | (with your present employer) |
| 16:18.16 | pipeline | Maynard1: You're running an unsupported configuration that's electrically unstable. There's nothing deterministic about it. Your chi was different. Your aura was purple. The winds were in the east. Buy proper cabling. |
| 16:18.18 | fleuret | anyone nope |
| 16:18.20 | dbrock | but anyone could create that key and upload it, right? |
| 16:18.29 | ralfWORK | and no matter what you do, if it's in the keyserver, it will never go away |
| 16:18.34 | Maynard1 | could i pm you pipeline? |
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| 16:18.38 | pipeline | Maynard1: No. |
| 16:18.39 | ralfWORK | dbrock: yes, so you could deny that it's yours |
| 16:18.42 | dbrock | like I could create it with your name on it and put it there, and no one would be able to tell the difference? |
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| 16:18.43 | Maynard1 | k |
| 16:18.50 | ralfWORK | that it belongs to another "John Doe" |
| 16:18.56 | jsmidt | How do you close down a bug report? |
| 16:19.05 | Maynard1 | isn't 80 pin cable only used for ata100 though? |
| 16:19.09 | Anyone | DB7654321, I don't have time sorry. :-) |
| 16:19.09 | dbrock | yeah, or to someone who was trying to screw you |
| 16:19.14 | ralfWORK | Maynard1: or ATA66 |
| 16:19.14 | pipeline | Maynard1: You can't run UDMA modes with old-style 40-pin cabling. Buy 80-pin cables. That's the most plausible cause of a kprintf() error referencing dma |
| 16:19.20 | pipeline | Maynard1: Any mode faster than PIO-4. |
| 16:19.20 | Anyone | dbrock, I don't have the time, sorry. |
| 16:19.31 | jsmidt | I sent a bad bug report and i can't figure out how to close it. |
| 16:19.34 | pipeline | Maynard1: PIO-4 tops out at something like 12 Mb/s and requires a huge number of CPU interrupts. |
| 16:19.37 | diana | What is a good file manager that is cli like midnight commander but better? |
| 16:19.39 | nkuttler | jsmidt: you're a dd? |
| 16:19.46 | jsmidt | no I am not |
| 16:19.49 | pipeline | diana: midnight commander is by far the best file manager. |
| 16:19.51 | ralfWORK | dbrock: that was just an example of how that public data can harm you |
| 16:19.53 | pipeline | diana: The next best would be emacs. |
| 16:19.58 | Maynard1 | cuz my ide controllers only support ata33 |
| 16:19.59 | ralfWORK | file managar? |
| 16:20.00 | ralfWORK | BAH |
| 16:20.04 | XTL | BAH |
| 16:20.05 | pipeline | Maynard1: ATA33 is a UDMA mode. |
| 16:20.13 | Maynard1 | you really think that's the prob? |
| 16:20.29 | dbrock | Anyone: you mean you don't have time to come up with a way to shoot yourself in the foot with GPG? |
| 16:20.29 | Eulex | jsmidt, add a comment saying that you were wrong. the devs will close it eventually. |
| 16:20.31 | nkuttler | jsmidt: i don't think you can. send a follow-up and explain why it should be closed |
| 16:20.31 | XTL | it's not cli either, iirc. A good cli fm would be your shell :) |
| 16:20.37 | Maynard1 | cuz i've been busting my brain for months on this |
| 16:20.42 | Anyone | dbrock, something like that. :-) |
| 16:20.49 | pipeline | Maynard1: You could set your IDE controllers to only allow PIO modes. It would cripple performance, but that error would probably disapper. |
| 16:20.49 | ralfWORK | hehehe yea |
| 16:21.04 | Maynard1 | finally got it installed the other night, but then screwed it up by mistake..hehe still learning linux |
| 16:21.06 | jsmidt | Thanks a lot Eulex and nkuttler |
| 16:21.17 | Eulex | jsmidt, yw |
| 16:21.24 | dbrock | ah, I get it now: <dbrock> but anyone could create that key and upload it, right? |
| 16:21.33 | dbrock | you're saying you have better things to do? :-) |
| 16:21.42 | Anyone | dbrock, :-D |
| 16:21.49 | ralfWORK | aight, time to tackle cfengine |
| 16:21.56 | ralfWORK | wish me luck; I think I'll need it |
| 16:22.07 | dbrock | good luck, ralfWORK |
| 16:22.09 | Maynard1 | alright pipeline, i'll give that a shot.. I hope your right :) |
| 16:22.11 | ralfWORK | thanks |
| 16:22.30 | Maynard1 | if you are, you are the only one that ever told me to do that.. |
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| 16:23.16 | Pingy | Has any one here used a Yellow Machine NAS? |
| 16:23.24 | diana | pipeline: "total commander" on windows has this thing where I can highlight all the files I want...then run this little script that takes all the spaces out of file name and replaces them with underscores say. |
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| 16:23.28 | diana | How can I do that with mc? |
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| 16:23.34 | SWAT | blahdebla1, ping |
| 16:23.43 | XTL | diana: rename |
| 16:23.48 | pipeline | diana: I have no idea. I don't use command-line file managers. |
| 16:24.05 | Estes2 | Hi everyone :) Quick question, does haNFS replicates datas or just provides another server to read/write to the share ? |
| 16:24.08 | Pingy | hmmmm |
| 16:24.26 | ralfWORK | Estes2: just another server to read/write to |
| 16:24.28 | ralfWORK | like SMB |
| 16:24.35 | ralfWORK | it does no replication |
| 16:24.41 | ralfWORK | and typically, it sucks balls |
| 16:24.45 | Pingy | the Yellow Machine comes with Debian installed, im going to idle around here and see if I can find some one who has experince useing it |
| 16:24.51 | stew | Eulex: nkuttler: you don't have to be a dd to close a bug you opened, bts |
| 16:24.52 | ralfWORK | that said, I have no better option |
| 16:24.58 | Anyone | diana, for all in * ; do mv "$all" `echo $all | tr ' ' '_*` ; done # something like that.. better test it first though. |
| 16:25.00 | stew | err s/bts/btw/ |
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| 16:25.05 | abrotman | Pingy: just ask your question |
| 16:25.13 | XTL | diana: or prename, comes with perl. eats an expression and filename(s) |
| 16:25.13 | Eulex | stew, hehe. I didn't know that. |
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| 16:25.47 | stew | Eulex: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#closing |
| 16:25.56 | Pingy | The Yellow Machine is a small box with hard drives that acts as a NAS and a Router, I was able to telnet into it and poke around at the copy of Debian inside |
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| 16:26.11 | Pingy | after I did a bit of set up with it, im useing it as a firewalled router |
| 16:26.20 | Pingy | but I am trying to install some more software on to it |
| 16:26.21 | Eulex | stew, ty |
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| 16:26.40 | Pingy | I got Iptraf installed, and I used apt-get -f install |
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| 16:26.51 | Anyone | diana, for all in * ; do mv "$all" `echo $all | tr ' ' '_'` ; done # will give errors for files that do not have spaces though. |
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| 16:27.17 | Pingy | apperantly any thing else that trys to install on to it, has conflicts with postfix and webmin-sendmail :/ |
| 16:27.37 | Pingy | and im having dificultys trying to remove those packages or to upgrade them |
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| 16:27.54 | abrotman | Pingy: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 16:28.02 | Pingy | *trys that* |
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| 16:28.25 | Pingy | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 16:28.28 | Pingy | o_o |
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| 16:28.55 | abrotman | seems to be some variant of sarge |
| 16:29.03 | Anyone | diana, you can put that in a menu on MC |
| 16:29.10 | Anyone | diana, or what you use. |
| 16:29.14 | Anyone | diana, I hope I helped? |
| 16:29.20 | Pingy | sarge? |
| 16:29.27 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 16:29.27 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 16:29.37 | Pingy | O_O; |
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| 16:29.45 | Pingy | Cool |
| 16:29.53 | Pingy | well when I log in, it says Debian 3.0 I think |
| 16:29.57 | duck` | I have a problem. I use Debian Sarge on amd64 arch. and I want to run hlds (Half-Life game server). When I run steam (./steam), it turn back the error Segmentation fault. I have installed ia32-libs so that shouldnt be a problem. Can someone help me? |
| 16:29.58 | jesperj | when I run apt-get upgrade, and chose to install the suggested packages, it says some are unverified and asks me to isntall them anyway. What to do? |
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| 16:30.06 | jesperj | why are they unverified? |
| 16:30.07 | abrotman | !info libc6 woody |
| 16:30.22 | Eulex | !tell jesperj about apt-secure |
| 16:30.34 | ChinaBob | exit |
| 16:30.37 | Eulex | umh |
| 16:30.41 | Eulex | !tell jesperj about apt secure |
| 16:30.42 | jesperj | ty will ask dpkg |
| 16:30.49 | jesperj | ty |
| 16:30.58 | CasperBonk | !dpkg |
| 16:30.58 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack, or a smart infobot, or voltagex's friend |
| 16:30.59 | stew | !apt-secure is <reply> see apt secure |
| 16:30.59 | dpkg | ...but apt-secure is already something else... |
| 16:31.06 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.2.5-11.8 (woody), Packaged size: 3303 kB, Installed size: 12760 kB |
| 16:31.16 | Eulex | also: |
| 16:31.17 | abrotman | !2006 key |
| 16:31.18 | dpkg | run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 16:31.22 | Eulex | ya |
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| 16:31.33 | abrotman | oh shit .. i broke apt-secure |
| 16:31.34 | stew | !apt secure is also ask me about <2006 key> |
| 16:31.35 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 16:31.37 | JohnnyST | Hi I am testing the new xorg package form backport but my keyboard dose not work ok. |
| 16:31.46 | stew | dpkg: no apt-secure is <reply> see apt secure |
| 16:31.46 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 16:31.51 | abrotman | stew: thanks |
| 16:31.53 | stew | np |
| 16:32.06 | JohnnyST | I want a swedish/finnish one. |
| 16:32.13 | duck` | I have a problem. I use Debian Sarge on amd64 arch. and I want to run hlds (Half-Life game server). When I run steam (./steam), it turn back the error Segmentation fault. I have installed ia32-libs so that shouldnt be a problem. Can someone help me? |
| 16:32.17 | spotted | Hello can anyone explain me how making work cpufreqd? |
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| 16:32.26 | spotted | I have got installed all the governors on 2.6 |
| 16:32.39 | spotted | conservative and stuff works but I want to use cpufreqd |
| 16:32.45 | resiak | !amd64 |
| 16:32.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 16:32.50 | spotted | I have made the config file too |
| 16:32.52 | mgbaron | i need to be able to have php send e-mail from my server and the default php package doesn't seem to enable this. What is the debian way to add this feature? Does this require recompiling PHP? |
| 16:33.08 | resiak | duck`: #debian-amd64 might know w hat's up. |
| 16:33.08 | Eulex | JohnnyST, select 'pc105' and 'se' |
| 16:33.13 | Anyone | spotted, its been awhile since I use it .. look in /usr/share/doc/cpufreqd |
| 16:33.29 | Anyone | spotted, helpfiles there .. zless them |
| 16:33.31 | duck` | Thanks |
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| 16:33.41 | spotted | Anyone, what do you use now? |
| 16:33.42 | resiak | !lesspipe |
| 16:33.42 | dpkg | it has been said that lesspipe is input preprocessor for less and it allows you to view compressed files (.gz, .bz2) and even Debian packages, man lesspipe for more info, or add "eval `lesspipe`" to your shell .rc file for lots of less-related magic. Try less file.gz, file.tar.gz and more :) |
| 16:33.44 | resiak | ^^^ |
| 16:34.11 | Anyone | spotted, I have smp system at home now .. |
| 16:34.23 | Anyone | spotted, you don't scale dual cpus down. |
| 16:35.06 | Estes2 | ralfWORK, ok, thanks |
| 16:35.26 | ralfWORK | np |
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| 16:36.03 | Estes2 | ralfWORK, What you'd preconise ? i need to have a shared/replicated FS for an smtp/imap... i think about DRBD... |
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| 16:36.27 | ralfWORK | Estes2: I wouldn't address it at the filesystem level |
| 16:36.28 | JohnnyST | Eulex I have done that but I do not get "åäö" working as it should do. |
| 16:36.42 | ralfWORK | Estes2: look at Cyrus-IMAP/POP |
| 16:36.47 | ralfWORK | I believe they have replication |
| 16:36.48 | Estes2 | ralfWORK, good, drbd is not at the fs level |
| 16:36.56 | Estes2 | hum |
| 16:37.02 | Estes2 | ok, will look |
| 16:37.27 | ralfWORK | Estes2: I am running Cyrus here, and it seems to be quite the enterprise mail system |
| 16:37.28 | Eulex | JohnnyST, hmm. have you set your locale correctly? |
| 16:37.38 | jesperj | Eulex, I fetched the gpg key like "root@mystery:~# gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv 4F368D5D" and then ran apt-get update, and it says: W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: Följande signaturer kunde inte verifieras för att den publika nyckeln inte är tillgänglig: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
| 16:37.45 | JohnnyST | Eulex how do I check? |
| 16:38.10 | ralfWORK | Eulex: Cyrus was developed at Carnegie-Mellon and is what they use to this day for all cmu.edu email |
| 16:38.25 | jesperj | Eulex, do I import the key from secure-testing.debian.net also? |
| 16:38.28 | ralfWORK | has it's own filtering language (sieve) and authentication daemon etc etc |
| 16:38.38 | Eulex | JohnnyST, what does echo $LANG say? |
| 16:38.48 | Eulex | ralfWORK, I think you meant to direct that at Estes2 |
| 16:38.55 | ralfWORK | Eulex: sorry, my bad |
| 16:39.00 | XTL | jesperj: did you also pipe it to apt |
| 16:39.25 | ralfWORK | Estes2: that was for you :) |
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| 16:40.03 | Roey | man, apt-proxy is so finnicky. Anyone here use it? I get weird references to amd64 in its error logs. It's completely frutsrating. |
| 16:40.15 | Eulex | jesperj, you'll need to run gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 946AA6E18722E71E ; gpg --export 946AA6E18722E71E | sudo apt-key add -; as the testing security team has their own key. |
| 16:40.22 | JohnnyST | Eulex, it says sv_SE.UTF-8 it was working ok with the original sarge xfree86 server. |
| 16:40.22 | Anyone | Roey, no I don't use it .. |
| 16:40.25 | PHPCleaner | anyone know how to change which automake and aclocal are the defaults? (I don't know why, but I seem to have 1.3 and 1.9 installed for both.... |
| 16:40.27 | ralfWORK | Roey: I've noted that it seems to be finnicky, yes |
| 16:40.28 | jesperj | XTL, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 says nothing about that what I could see |
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| 16:40.31 | Anyone | Roey, I had it installed at some point though. |
| 16:40.32 | ralfWORK | have I looked into why? no |
| 16:40.34 | Roey | Anyone: :) |
| 16:40.37 | Eulex | JohnnyST, I dunno then |
| 16:40.43 | SLLIPERS|SCORE | man i feel allot better with linux |
| 16:40.48 | Roey | a lot |
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| 16:40.49 | Roey | a lot |
| 16:40.50 | Roey | a lot |
| 16:40.53 | XTL | jesperj: see Eulex's advice |
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| 16:40.58 | Anyone | PHPCleaner, maybe update-alternatives? |
| 16:41.02 | jesperj | Thank you. |
| 16:41.05 | SLLIPERS|SCORE | i have the freedom to do anything and learn everything about my computer with linux |
| 16:41.05 | Roey | SLLIPERS|SCORE: I'm glad for you |
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| 16:41.06 | Anyone | PHPCleaner, man update-alternatives |
| 16:41.06 | Roey | Anyone: well thanks |
| 16:41.09 | samuel | sup all |
| 16:41.12 | Anyone | Roey, np :-) |
| 16:41.14 | jesperj | Seems the article on debianadministration is broken then |
| 16:41.15 | PHPCleaner | Anyone: thanks! ;] |
| 16:41.19 | Anyone | Roey, anytime :-) |
| 16:41.20 | jesperj | or incomplete |
| 16:41.20 | diesel | How do I get mms:// (streaming videos) to play within firefox? |
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| 16:41.31 | Estes2 | ralfWORK, oh, ok, i heard about it but didn't know the project was this way... i know carnegie, i use openAFS at times |
| 16:41.48 | Eulex | diesel, get the mplayer plugin. |
| 16:41.58 | ralfWORK | Estes2: yea, I'm interested in openAFS as well, but not for mail clustering/HA |
| 16:41.59 | SLLIPERS|SCORE | damn i had a hard time learning windows and then i found out about linux damnn i feel free |
| 16:41.59 | diesel | Eulex |
| 16:42.04 | diesel | Eulex: I have it |
| 16:42.11 | Roey | ralfWORK: I don't know where it's storing its references. I configured it with an erroneous configuration (gave it an address to an amd64 deb source), saw that it didn't work, re-configured and restarted, but apt-proxy is still stuck on this amd64 thing. |
| 16:42.13 | Estes2 | ralfWORK, i don't use it for mail :) |
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| 16:42.20 | stouset | diesel: Then it should work. |
| 16:42.26 | ralfWORK | Estes2: :) |
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| 16:42.33 | Eulex | diesel, did it add a plugin .so in the mozilla-firefox plugin directory and not just in the mozilla plugin directory? |
| 16:42.33 | jesperj | what do I do with mirrors that doesnt have keys? |
| 16:42.43 | ralfWORK | Estes2: I had dreams of OpenAFS/Kerberos at home for roaming profiles |
| 16:42.43 | Roey | god damn it :( |
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| 16:42.47 | jesperj | Is there a list with mirror keys perhaps? |
| 16:42.49 | diesel | Eulex: I will check...one sec |
| 16:42.57 | ledet | jesperj: read the topic |
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| 16:43.00 | GOD | any one know if suse have a new update? |
| 16:43.03 | jesperj | ty :) |
| 16:43.05 | ralfWORK | got the krb5 stuff done, but haven't messed with AFS |
| 16:43.10 | Eulex | diesel, sometimes you need to copy a few files around |
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| 16:43.30 | Estes2 | ralfWORK, haha, first time i installed both of them it's nightmares i had... now it's better.... I guess cyrus uses maildir, right ? |
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| 16:43.38 | ralfWORK | Roey: for me, the first 'apt-get update' from a machine using my apt-proxy fails |
| 16:43.42 | ralfWORK | URLs time out |
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| 16:43.57 | ralfWORK | Roey: I have to run it a second time for it to work |
| 16:43.59 | samuel | im using debian unstable, and since an upgrade i have not been able to type anything in X, console works fine - but X cannot type anything, all i get are boxes... and its not a problem with the fonts, because other text works... just not anything i type - any help please? |
| 16:44.00 | ralfWORK | sucks |
| 16:44.08 | ralfWORK | Estes2: it uses it's own format |
| 16:44.10 | XTL | I never tried apt-proxy. I use tinyproxy for proxying and apt-cache for apt cache. |
| 16:44.19 | ralfWORK | I believe it uses BDB for mail indexes |
| 16:44.23 | samuel | ive tried to reconfigure xorg with no luck |
| 16:44.25 | SWAT | how can I re-configure my hardware? For example when something was added or something wasn't recognized correctly |
| 16:44.32 | ralfWORK | but it's similar to maildir |
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| 16:44.46 | jan2 | * * * * * in crontab means every minute, right? |
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| 16:44.50 | stouset | samuel: Perhaps we could offer some luck? |
| 16:44.52 | jesperj | Ok it looks fine now thanks all |
| 16:45.07 | Estes2 | ralfWORK, oh, ok... but how failover is this ? like if one of the nodes dies ? |
| 16:45.14 | ledet | jesperj: np :) |
| 16:45.20 | samuel | stouset, thanks! ill take it! and would also like some advice if there is any! |
| 16:45.32 | ralfWORK | Estes2: I have not used the clustering stuff yet |
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| 16:45.42 | ralfWORK | I am just aware that CMU uses it |
| 16:45.54 | ralfWORK | and with the cyrus experience I've had, I'd trust them to do clustering well |
| 16:46.05 | diesel | Eulex: I have a .mozilla/firefox/ directory but there is no plugins directory...strange |
| 16:46.09 | Estes2 | i see |
| 16:46.25 | ralfWORK | Estes2: what were you gonna use again? |
| 16:46.25 | Eulex | diesel, umh... check the global ones in /usr/share/ |
| 16:46.28 | ralfWORK | what FS? |
| 16:46.29 | Estes2 | okay, i'll read about it and find out anyways |
| 16:46.40 | Estes2 | not an FS |
| 16:46.43 | Estes2 | DRBD |
| 16:46.48 | ralfWORK | ok lemme see what that is |
| 16:46.53 | ralfWORK | have a URL? |
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| 16:47.00 | Estes2 | http://www.drbd.org |
| 16:47.14 | ralfWORK | ahh k |
| 16:47.25 | Eulex | diesel, or rather /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins |
| 16:48.08 | diesel | Eulex: yeah, I have a mozplugger.so there |
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| 16:48.37 | GOD | is it true that debian can be used for web servers?? |
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| 16:48.47 | Eulex | GOD, yes |
| 16:48.59 | ralfWORK | Estes2: yea, that looks cool. I don't know that it would be ideal esp. if Cyrus's clustering is good (as I suspect it is) |
| 16:49.05 | Eulex | diesel, you should have the mplayer plugin .so in any of them. |
| 16:49.06 | ralfWORK | hahaahaha |
| 16:49.14 | ralfWORK | no, debian can't be a web server :( |
| 16:49.15 | ralfWORK | lol |
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| 16:50.00 | Eulex | ralfWORK, pardon? |
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| 16:50.16 | diesel | Eulex: I have mplayerplug-in.so also |
| 16:50.17 | ralfWORK | Eulex: I'm just messing |
| 16:50.18 | stouset | Eulex: I think he was being facetious. |
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| 16:50.30 | Eulex | ralfWORK, hehe, ok |
| 16:50.42 | Eulex | diesel, in both or just in the mozilla/plugins dir? |
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| 16:51.23 | diesel | Eulex: in both, the file in mozilla-firefox/plugins/ is a ln -s |
| 16:51.26 | kspath | GOD: are you sniping at us? |
| 16:51.31 | mwe | !remove gnome |
| 16:51.31 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 16:51.38 | Eulex | diesel, hmm... dunno then |
| 16:52.03 | ILF_ | ok, i just installed 2.6.15-1-k7, baked a nvidia-kernal package, installed it, rebooted. it's loaded in lsmod, xorg.conf is fine, but x doesn't start with the error "failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module! please ensure that there is a supported nvidia gpu in this system, and that the nvoidia device files have been created properly." help? |
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| 16:53.20 | Estes2 | ralfWORK, ok, i'll look at the cyrus stuff, especialy failover and then i'll decide what i do |
| 16:53.23 | ILF_ | stew: yeah, i couldn't copy+paste it.. |
| 16:53.25 | Estes2 | ralfWORK, thanks :) |
| 16:53.30 | ralfWORK | Estes2: np |
| 16:53.33 | ralfWORK | and thank you |
| 16:53.39 | ralfWORK | I may use DBRB soon :) |
| 16:53.46 | ralfWORK | DRBD |
| 16:53.53 | PHPCleaner | bah, no matter what I do, Firefox won't register that I have java installed, (the plugin is in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins as well as ~/.mozilla/plugins/) anyone have any ideas? |
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| 16:54.24 | slept | how do I exit vim - AAAAAAAARRRR |
| 16:54.31 | js_ | escape, :q |
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| 16:54.52 | jaymzh | folks, I added the new keys ala "/msg dpkg 2006 key", and it still claims packages can't be verified |
| 16:54.58 | kspath | slept: there is the power button and the power cord but that is extreme |
| 16:55.15 | thingfish | slept: vimtutor is something you might find helpful, if you are considering using vim regularly.] |
| 16:55.30 | slept | kspath: I was thinking about that |
| 16:55.33 | kspath | slept: vim is something good to learn |
| 16:55.59 | slept | thingfish: no i hate vi and vim i just want to quit |
| 16:56.04 | jan2 | * * * * * in crontab means every minute, right? |
| 16:56.05 | kspath | slept: did you read what js_ said ? <ESCAPE> :q <ENTER> |
| 16:56.14 | Vernon_ | slept: and it'isn't so hard as it seems |
| 16:56.19 | ledet | jan2: yes |
| 16:56.19 | abrotman | what kind of loser hates vi/vim? |
| 16:56.25 | jaymzh | lol |
| 16:56.26 | ledet | <- |
| 16:56.27 | slept | yes it says inserting |
| 16:56.32 | abrotman | hit ESC |
| 16:56.35 | Anyone | PHPCleaner, I have a real good idea! Follow the instructions that sun and mozilla gives! |
| 16:56.35 | kspath | slept: did you read what js_ said ? <ESCAPE> <ESCAPE> :q <ENTER> |
| 16:56.38 | abrotman | you know .. the escape key ? |
| 16:56.52 | abrotman | afaik .. on every keyboard created since 1993 |
| 16:56.54 | samuel | well ill be a monkeys uncle.... the keyboard problem was just a kde problem... seems that what used to be before a latin american keyboard (la) is now laos and latinamerican is latam |
| 16:56.57 | samuel | funny |
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| 16:57.10 | jaymzh | anyone... I added the new keys ala "/msg dpkg 2006 key", and it still claims packages can't be verified |
| 16:57.11 | PHPCleaner | Anyone: did that, but thanks for the sarcasm |
| 16:57.12 | stouset | abrotman: Me. |
| 16:57.17 | slept | yes i pressed it very often, doesn't do anything |
| 16:57.29 | abrotman | stouset: you what? |
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| 16:57.44 | stouset | abrotman: I can't use vi/vim :( |
| 16:57.52 | abrotman | stouset: you're from the south .. that can't be helped |
| 16:57.54 | ledet | PHPCleaner: did you install java using java-package? |
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| 16:58.06 | PHPCleaner | ledet: ya, that too ;] |
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| 16:58.22 | stew | PHPCleaner: what do you mean too? did you install java more than one way? |
| 16:58.40 | Anyone | PHPCleaner, I wasn't sarcastic .. |
| 16:58.41 | PHPCleaner | stew: I tried both, one, after the other, removing the first |
| 16:58.46 | ILF_ | wtf: http://pastebin.com/490392 |
| 16:58.46 | stouset | abrotman: Hahaha. I tried emacs also, but the learning curve is too steep, considering I already have tools that accomplish similar things... |
| 16:58.54 | abrotman | stouset: kedit ? |
| 16:58.59 | ledet | lol |
| 16:59.02 | Anyone | PHPCleaner, I did that, and I got a running java 1.5 plugin .. using it for homebanking and all. |
| 16:59.04 | kr0n_ | hi, i am clueless about the way debian handles alsa, anways, I have 2 sound cards, is there a way to swap the devices, i want dsp1 to be dsp0 and vica versa? |
| 16:59.07 | slept | joe :) |
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| 16:59.17 | Anyone | kr0n_, yes. |
| 16:59.30 | stew | PHPCleaner: where does the symlink in the plugins directory point now? |
| 16:59.37 | stouset | abrotman: Eclipse. |
| 16:59.46 | abrotman | stouset: that's pretty heavy to edit a conf file :) |
| 16:59.47 | kr0n_ | Anyone, how? :-) |
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| 17:00.11 | stouset | abrotman: I use nano for that :P |
| 17:00.15 | afabian | The world consists of emacs users and ind |
| 17:00.16 | abrotman | heh .. ok |
| 17:00.17 | afabian | infidels. |
| 17:00.23 | ledet | kr0n_: that wasnt part of your question... you only get one question a day... guess youll have to wait a day for the answer :) |
| 17:00.23 | stouset | abrotman: which I'm sure amounts to some sort of heresy |
| 17:00.30 | Anyone | kr0n_, ls -l the devices .. write down permissions and major minor .. then deleting them, and creating them again with mknod. |
| 17:00.32 | kr0n_ | werry funny :P |
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| 17:00.32 | SWAT | I did a 'fsck' and a lot of error where found/fixed. yet Now I can't even apt-get update. W:Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock & E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt |
| 17:00.34 | stouset | abrotman: But then again, I'd say vi or emacs is pretty heavy to edit a conf file :) |
| 17:00.37 | PHPCleaner | stew: to /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 17:00.43 | Anyone | kr0n_, might need to put it in a startup script though. |
| 17:00.44 | abrotman | afabian: you mean vi users .. and those into S&M |
| 17:00.51 | abrotman | stouset: nvi .. |
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| 17:01.03 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 17:01.03 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
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| 17:01.07 | kr0n_ | Anyone, are the major/minor flags deiciding witch dsp belongs to what card? |
| 17:01.10 | PHPCleaner | oic where I messed up heh *typo |
| 17:01.14 | stew | PHPCleaner: and it doesn't show up in about:plugins? |
| 17:01.18 | Wo|f | I have the best timing. I wander right into one of the Holy Wars ... |
| 17:01.27 | Anyone | "Real men use vi. Sensible people have GNU/Emacs." |
| 17:01.39 | Anyone | kr0n_, yeah |
| 17:01.46 | ralfWORK | PFFT |
| 17:01.50 | kr0n_ | Anyone, great, thanks man :-D |
| 17:01.51 | Pingy | Emacs is easier to use than VI |
| 17:01.52 | stew | Anyone: please don't troll |
| 17:01.56 | Pingy | ive used VI tho... |
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| 17:02.05 | Anyone | stew, ? |
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| 17:02.07 | stew | Pingy: you too |
| 17:02.10 | Pingy | :X |
| 17:02.12 | thingfish | !seen azeem |
| 17:02.12 | dpkg | azeem is currently on #debian (7h 44m 18s) #debian-ops (7h 44m 18s) |
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| 17:02.33 | Anyone | stew, did I say something which you believe is untrue? |
| 17:02.34 | MartianSpider | Anyone: does GNU/Emacs mean GNU is the OS and Emacs is the kernel? |
| 17:02.50 | CasperBonk | lol |
| 17:02.56 | Anyone | MartianSpider, actually a typo .. I meant "GNU Emacs" :-) |
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| 17:03.16 | Anyone | MartianSpider, XEmacs will do also, I guess, but I don't know it too well myself. |
| 17:03.16 | c_k | any chance anyone here can give me a hand with redirecting certain ports to another IP Address , i have read through the man pages on iptables and got a brief idea of how to do it but it does not seem to be working at all??? |
| 17:03.29 | abrotman | c_k: #iptables ? |
| 17:03.32 | stew | Anyone: doesn't matter, starting editor flamewars with statments like "Real men use vi" is trolling |
| 17:03.39 | Pingy | I dont often use Emacs under GUI's |
| 17:03.45 | Pingy | I mostly use Emacs under console enviroments |
| 17:03.47 | Anyone | c_k, do a /join #iptables and ask there. |
| 17:03.51 | afabian | c_k: I'd probably use netcat. ::shrugs.:: |
| 17:03.52 | stouset | abrotman: I figure I ought to read through the help for vi, but some things are just hard to do without, like holding shift, then pg+up or home to delete paragraphs/lines |
| 17:03.56 | ledet | c_k: theres a howto on that on http://www.netfilter.org |
| 17:04.09 | Anyone | stew, ahh that one .. it was meant as a joke to follow up on recent comments. |
| 17:04.23 | abrotman | stouset: uhm ... #lines dd |
| 17:04.39 | c_k | in there now cheers |
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| 17:06.09 | vszjvll | hi |
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| 17:07.48 | ThetaWave | Is there a non-kernel-rebuilding way to enable power management in the latest Debian? |
| 17:07.54 | usn | hi folx |
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| 17:08.16 | stew | ThetaWave: if you use a debian compiled kernel it will be enabled. what does "uname -r" say |
| 17:08.17 | LiGhTeNiN | How can I edit grub's menu.lst under knoppix? |
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| 17:08.38 | jair | hello guys, how are you doing today ;) |
| 17:08.45 | Pingy | Helloes to You |
| 17:08.50 | stew | LiGhTeNiN: mount your / (or /boot if its a separate partition) and editor boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:09.09 | LiGhTeNiN | stew: I can mount it myself but how do I edit? |
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| 17:09.37 | bizkit | LiGhTeNiN: vi /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:09.41 | stew | LiGhTeNiN: run "/usr/bin/editor boot/grub/menu.lst" or substitute your editor of choice for editor |
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| 17:10.17 | LiGhTeNiN | ok, I'll try vi |
| 17:10.21 | jaymzh | one more try... I added the new keys ala "/msg dpkg 2006 key", apt-key said "OK", and it still claims packages can't be verified |
| 17:10.30 | stew | LiGhTeNiN: if you aren't familiar with vi use nano instead |
| 17:10.31 | jair | I was in Munich-Germany and the changes are happening there are just amazing, they are changing all their systems to "Debian-Base" Linux I am moving to Germany soon hopefully ;) |
| 17:10.52 | stew | jaymzh: what key signature does it say its looking for? |
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| 17:12.00 | LiGhTeNiN | stew: how do I save the file in nano? |
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| 17:12.43 | stew | LiGhTeNiN: if you quit you will be prompted to save |
| 17:12.48 | Vernon_ | LiGhTeNiN: ctrl+o (save and exit) |
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| 17:12.57 | jaymzh | stew: 2D230C5F - I can c/p the output in #flood for you, but it imports successfully |
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| 17:13.58 | LiGhTeNiN | ^X - for quiting but how am I supposed to execute it? |
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| 17:14.19 | stew | jaymzh: and you are running apt-key as root? |
| 17:14.25 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:14.57 | jaymzh | stew yes - c&p'd from "/msg dpkg 2006 key" |
| 17:15.03 | jaymzh | (which uses sudo) |
| 17:15.19 | jaymzh | stew: sudo apt-key list shows the new key |
| 17:15.20 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.29 | kittonian | hello. i'm about to install a kernel image update via apt and i received a message stating i need to add a line into my lilo.conf. i added initrd=/initrd.img as the 3rd line in the vmlinuz stanza. is there anything more I need to do prior to continuing with this update? |
| 17:15.37 | LiGhTeNiN | stew: I get this while saving: Could not open file for writing: Read-only file system |
| 17:15.40 | Vernon_ | <META> - X ghghg |
| 17:15.49 | kspath | CONTROL is a modifier key similar to shift or alt |
| 17:15.53 | Boogerhead | Quick question -- I want to run a dual-boot (XP) box. Should I run ext2 or ext3 for better compatability so I can read my debian stuff? |
| 17:15.54 | stew | LiGhTeNiN: you need to mount the partition readwrite |
| 17:16.05 | stew | LiGhTeNiN: how did you mount it? |
| 17:16.11 | stew | jaymzh: i'm not sure then |
| 17:16.12 | LiGhTeNiN | stew: chroot |
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| 17:16.36 | slake | . |
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| 17:17.37 | Boogerhead | is ext3 significantly better than ext2? |
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| 17:17.48 | LiGhTeNiN | stew: I just chrooted it with 'chroot /mnt/hda2' |
| 17:18.13 | Vernon_ | Boogerhead: yes, it is journaled. anyway you can use reiserFS too |
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| 17:18.45 | Boogerhead | vernon, i am trying to ensure i get at least reliable read-only access from XP |
| 17:18.58 | Vernon_ | Boogerhead: http://yareg.akucom.de/ <-- reiserfs on windows |
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| 17:19.50 | Boogerhead | vernon, you are a scholar and a gentleman |
| 17:19.57 | Pingy | I wonder, if people want to use Linux and Windows XP together, why not just create seperate partitions, or use two diferent hard drives, and for Windows XP, preformat a Fat32 partition? |
| 17:20.23 | benjamindees | I'm looking for some graphical utilities for a lightweight desktop, a floppy formatter and password changer. Any suggestions? |
| 17:20.40 | Vernon_ | Boogerhead: thanx. what is a scholar? :) |
| 17:20.42 | Boogerhead | pingy, one HD cuz it is a laptop. second, i am worried about compatability from Linux to XP, rather than from XP to Linux |
| 17:20.49 | jesperj | benjamindees, I would serach freshmeat.ent |
| 17:20.51 | jesperj | .net |
| 17:21.03 | jaymzh | stew: got it. STrangely, it required an apt-get clean; apt-get update; |
| 17:21.28 | Boogerhead | and so far debian 's net install CD is the only variant (of six) that will boot this piece of crap =( |
| 17:21.36 | Pingy | Boogerhead, I dont know if the current status of accessing NTFS under Linux has improved any recently, but people still have trouble with it |
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| 17:22.09 | Boogerhead | pingy, thanks .. i just had to wipe out the hard drive, and acerś default is fat32 .. so maybe iĺl keep it that way |
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| 17:22.28 | Boogerhead | yet another reason i want to find a working linux variant :P |
| 17:22.46 | Vernon_ | ah, studioso |
| 17:22.52 | Pingy | why not just do a google search with the words Linux and Acer and the model of your laptop? |
| 17:23.28 | Pingy | Ive seen alot of web pages for that type of thing, like my old Thinkpad 380D, there have been webpages made for running Linux on that laptop |
| 17:23.30 | Boogerhead | pingy, done .. that is why i am turning to debian .. only found two references, in german .. even debian variants get kernel panics on this thing =( |
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| 17:23.37 | Pingy | where people would discuss compatiability issues |
| 17:23.42 | slake | This is so weird |
| 17:24.06 | Boogerhead | knoppix, ubunto, slackware, a few others, all crash within seconds |
| 17:24.07 | Pingy | Boogerhead, what cpu does that thing have? o_O? or did they just use really low cost/quality hardware? O_o |
| 17:24.19 | jesperj | Boogerhead, I got an acer travelmate laptop |
| 17:24.20 | slake | ifconfig reports that my 8139 ethernet link is working, but the link light isn't on |
| 17:24.35 | Boogerhead | jesperj, cool ... is it working for you so far? |
| 17:24.39 | jesperj | yes |
| 17:24.42 | Spec | slake: mii-tool |
| 17:24.53 | zumbi | what is tha package name for ps2pdf ? |
| 17:24.56 | Boogerhead | jesperj, what model? |
| 17:24.58 | jesperj | we can go pm if you want to |
| 17:25.03 | jesperj | i can try to help you |
| 17:25.14 | jade | i tried smbmount and received error message, "14786: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnomem (Insufficient server memory to perform the requested function.)", free seems to report sufficient memory http://channels.debian.net/paste/1461 |
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| 17:25.27 | jesperj | Boogerhead, 613txv |
| 17:25.34 | SNow | Hi guys, is there any shell that you can enter your commands that use MAY use, and only those commands are accesible for the shell users |
| 17:25.47 | SNow | rssh let's only scp connections, but no other programs:) |
| 17:25.55 | ThetaWave | stew: sorry I had to go AFK. Uname -a says: "Linux i5000 2.4.27-2-686 #1 Wed Aug 17 10:34:09 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux" |
| 17:26.13 | Boogerhead | 4652lmi here |
| 17:26.24 | Vernon_ | SNow: rbash. restricted bash, i suppose |
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| 17:26.44 | yaaar | anybody round here familiar with using samba+winbind+kerberos to setup an active directory member server? |
| 17:26.53 | yaaar | or really, familiar with kerberos at all? |
| 17:26.55 | LiGhTeNiN | how do I chroot with readwrite? |
| 17:27.33 | yaaar | i can't figure out what packages i need from debian. the docs/howtos i've found aren't distro specific.... |
| 17:27.40 | jesperj | Boogerhead, ok so it kernelpanics when you boot an install cd? |
| 17:27.45 | jesperj | or what |
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| 17:27.58 | synic | anyone use juk? |
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| 17:28.06 | yaaar | also, when i try to start kadmind it says "kadmind: No such file or directory while initializing, aborting" |
| 17:28.16 | ThetaWave | stew: Should that build have it? |
| 17:28.17 | pureone | !seen Anyone |
| 17:28.18 | dpkg | anyone <n=username@3E6B9A9A.rev.stofanet.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 24m 8s ago, saying: 'stew, ahh that one .. it was meant as a joke to follow up on recent comments.'. |
| 17:28.18 | yaaar | and doesn't leave anything in the logs or any more detailed info |
| 17:28.34 | Boogerhead | jesperj, so far the debian net install seems to be working ... so there is not much point in trying to figureo ut hte problem with, say, ubuntu =) |
| 17:28.34 | benjamindees | synic, try #kde |
| 17:28.40 | pureone | he just left ;) |
| 17:28.59 | jesperj | Boogerhead, ok cool. |
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| 17:29.06 | ILF_ | wtf: http://pastebin.com/490432 |
| 17:29.12 | jesperj | Boogerhead, has your model got hotkeys? |
| 17:29.44 | Boogerhead | restarting now <fingers crossed> ... hotkeys? it has a few buttons at the top for Web browser, etc. |
| 17:30.22 | jesperj | yeah those aer hotkeys. There is a kernel module you can add that enables you to use the travelmate 61X hotkeys anyway |
| 17:30.28 | fbi | ILF_: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 17:30.31 | jesperj | maybe there is one for yours aswell |
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| 17:30.43 | fbi | ILF_: you may need to undo whatever you have done beforehand |
| 17:30.52 | jesperj | I have an email led flashing when I get email. press the button and emailclient is fired up |
| 17:31.16 | Boogerhead | jesper, many thanks ... dont see the wireless access yet, so i think its off to a new kernel i go =) |
| 17:31.22 | jair | which one is the big channel of debian in doetsch? |
| 17:31.26 | jair | deutsch |
| 17:31.28 | jair | sorry |
| 17:31.34 | beardy | !de |
| 17:31.34 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 17:31.36 | kino | I can't get firefox to run, it gives me Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 17:31.52 | LiGhTeNiN | how do I chroot with readwrite rights? |
| 17:31.59 | jair | beardy, dankeshon ;) |
| 17:32.32 | beardy | jair: kein Problem :) |
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| 17:32.43 | benjamindees | LiGhTeNiN, I'm not sure what you mean... |
| 17:32.45 | fbi | LiGhTeNiN: use the right mount option |
| 17:33.00 | jesperj | Boogerhead, I have never used wireless net myself and dont know if it is in the default kernel or not, or in newer even |
| 17:33.02 | jesperj | I have no idea |
| 17:33.09 | jesperj | but maybe you just have to load it as a module |
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| 17:33.19 | jair | beardy, are you deutsch? |
| 17:33.26 | benjamindees | read/write is based on file permissions and mount options |
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| 17:33.30 | LiGhTeNiN | benjamindees, fbi, I want to mount my debian partition (using knoppix atm) and edit the grub menu.lst file |
| 17:33.33 | Boogerhead | slackware 3.3 seems like a long time ago for me ... apt-get? hehehe |
| 17:33.46 | fbi | LiGhTeNiN: mount -o rw (before you chroot obviously) |
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| 17:34.05 | beardy | jair: No, I had german as a third language in school, but I'm afraid I have forgotten most of it.. |
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| 17:34.14 | Vernon_ | LiGhTeNiN: edit it in the grub shell, at boot time |
| 17:34.15 | benjamindees | LiGhTeNiN, you should be root in knoppix, open a root shell |
| 17:34.43 | LiGhTeNiN | Vernon_: my grub is broken |
| 17:34.48 | LiGhTeNiN | benjamindees: I am root |
| 17:34.54 | LiGhTeNiN | I'll try mounting |
| 17:34.58 | jair | beardy, hahah I am learning now that language, I am Venezuelan speak, spanish, english, Italian, now deutsch soon hopefully |
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| 17:35.08 | fbi | LiGhTeNiN: it's much easier to create a GRUB floppy, boot it and install GRUB from floppy |
| 17:35.27 | Vernon_ | LiGhTeNiN: recover it with a grub disk. re-"setup (hd0)" it |
| 17:35.27 | jesperj | Boogerhead, I dont understand |
| 17:35.41 | ThomasAH | LiGhTeNiN: Ah, /dev/hda (or something like this) isn't writable? Knoppix' automounter may mount with the nodev option, so devices are not considered devices. Remount with 'dev' |
| 17:35.52 | _Sam-- | if i create a compressed file system from a chroot'd environment using mkisofs or something....how i do i mount that up as root (/) when i boot ? |
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| 17:36.56 | LiGhTeNiN | where do I mount it anyway? |
| 17:37.14 | ThomasAH | LiGhTeNiN: where you want |
| 17:37.18 | fbi | !tell LiGhTeNiN about fixmbr |
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| 17:38.18 | LiGhTeNiN | fbi: I just want to edit one file thats all |
| 17:38.33 | fbi | LiGhTeNiN: i know that. dpkg tells you exactly how to do that. |
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| 17:38.47 | ILF_ | fbi: the oneliner hangs at m-a prepare with the message "warning, /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.14 seems to contain unconfigure |
| 17:38.50 | benjamindees | _Sam--, I think you mean initrd, and you probably need to add an option to lilo or grub |
| 17:38.50 | kino | how can I find what package contains the "host" command ? |
| 17:38.54 | fbi | LiGhTeNiN: GRUB has a command that will write you a menu.lst |
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| 17:39.09 | LiGhTeNiN | what command |
| 17:39.10 | ILF_ | fbi: ..d kernel source!". i have 2.6.15 and the source package installed |
| 17:39.17 | _Sam-- | benjamindees: thanks for pointin gme in the right direction...you think it is all a function of mkinitrd? |
| 17:39.21 | fbi | LiGhTeNiN: read what dpkg just told you. |
| 17:39.24 | LiGhTeNiN | ok |
| 17:39.27 | ILF_ | fbi: i also baked the nvidia module myself which used to work, too... |
| 17:39.29 | LiGhTeNiN | I'll try to do it |
| 17:39.36 | Vernon_ | LiGhTeNiN: if you think you can solve editing menu.lst, you grub is ok. if your grub is broken, fix it with a bootdisk |
| 17:39.47 | fbi | ILF_: i really don't have a lot of experience with nvidia, i stopped using their products a while ago |
| 17:39.59 | fbi | ILF_: someone else may be able to help |
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| 17:40.04 | LiGhTeNiN | I think I can solve it with editing, I get error 17 with grub |
| 17:40.04 | benjamindees | !wayttd _Sam-- |
| 17:40.04 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, _Sam--? |
| 17:40.16 | ILF_ | fbi: what graphics card would anyone have besides nvidia or ati, while both are shityy in linux support? |
| 17:40.27 | _Sam-- | dpkg: i have a root filesystem that is, say 1.5 gigabytes...i want to compress it, and put it on a 1 gig compact flash card |
| 17:40.32 | _Sam-- | and then boot it |
| 17:40.34 | sbk | This is quite OT -- but maybe there'll be someone to point me to some info. Is there a "test suite of jpeg images" that will exercise potential bugs? The context is that I'd like to run that via some code I have that is built on top of the IJG jpeg library. |
| 17:40.35 | fbi | ILF_: i use ati, without 3d acceleration |
| 17:40.44 | _Sam-- | i have a compact flash cards booting fine, but not using a compressed filesystem |
| 17:40.58 | ILF_ | the "nv" driver works to for me. but i want 3d accell! |
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| 17:41.11 | corvette | hey all |
| 17:41.16 | Boogerhead | is there a way to get back into the initial setup program, e.g., to select the default GUI, add Web server, etc? |
| 17:41.24 | benjamindees | _Sam--, okay, so you don't want an initrd, you want something like cramfs that knoppix uses |
| 17:41.25 | fbi | ILF_: then you need to get the nvidia drivers sorted, i can't help you on that one. sorry. |
| 17:41.40 | ThomasAH | kino: dpkg -S /usr/bin/host or if not already installed on http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 17:41.43 | _Sam-- | cramfs...ahh that is how they do it! |
| 17:41.49 | Estes2 | W: GPG error: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org testing <---- everyone gets this ? |
| 17:41.54 | LiGhTeNiN | Vernon_: but where do I mount my /mnt/hda2 to? and I use -o rw for writing rights? |
| 17:41.57 | fbi | !2006 key |
| 17:41.57 | dpkg | run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 17:42.04 | fbi | Estes2: ^^^ |
| 17:42.10 | _Sam-- | so how do i go from an ext3 partition on an HD to a cramfs on a compact flash |
| 17:42.27 | eeyore- | samlii: mkcramfs, cp -r :-p |
| 17:42.37 | Estes2 | oh, oj |
| 17:42.42 | _Sam-- | damn |
| 17:42.43 | Estes2 | thanks fbi :) |
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| 17:42.45 | _Sam-- | thanks@! |
| 17:42.48 | fbi | no prob. |
| 17:42.52 | odb | im searching for an alternative gui based ftp client (just know gftp) |
| 17:43.03 | odb | hello btw ;) |
| 17:43.13 | kino | ThomasAH: ah thanks |
| 17:43.17 | Vernon_ | LiGhTeNiN: /mnt/hda2 is a mount point. you can mount a device (like /dev/hda2) but not a mountpoint |
| 17:43.26 | _Sam-- | how much overhead does on the fly decompression of the cramfs filesystem take? |
| 17:43.30 | zyga | what is the proper place for live talk to some debian developers? |
| 17:43.36 | eeyore- | _Sam--: probably better off making a loopback filesystem first, to keep writes to compact flash to a minimum |
| 17:43.51 | _Sam-- | eeyore-: i use ramdisk / usb thumb drivge for writing to...the cf is ro |
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| 17:44.29 | _Sam-- | damn you've really made my day...THANKS. |
| 17:44.39 | _Sam-- | now i can fit all the crap i need. |
| 17:44.47 | _Sam-- | hope it works |
| 17:44.57 | eeyore- | _Sam--: you probably won't notice the overhead on a real pc ... when we were simulating a devel board it took *forever* :-) |
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| 17:45.43 | _Sam-- | eeyore-: after i make the compressed filesystem on the CF...if i cp -Pr over....when i mount it, i will see /etc/ /boot etc? or it will just be a file? |
| 17:45.46 | eeyore- | _Sam--: and since all accesses to the cramfs needs to decompress, it really hits over and over again. are you sure you want cramfs vs expand to ramdisk? |
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| 17:45.51 | Eulex | odb, there's kbear for kde, other than that there's no other gui ftp client in debian. |
| 17:46.08 | _Sam-- | how do you expand to ramdisk if the ramdisk cant be big enough to hold it all |
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| 17:46.19 | Phroziac | how do i set my default desktop environment to gnome? |
| 17:46.21 | eeyore- | _Sam--: you can set your ramdisk to be as big as you want |
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| 17:46.31 | eeyore- | _Sam--: up to the memory you have, actually |
| 17:46.35 | Eulex | Phroziac, what display manager are you using? |
| 17:46.36 | _Sam-- | right |
| 17:46.41 | fbi | Phroziac: update-alternatives (i think) |
| 17:46.43 | _Sam-- | i have 1 gig of memory...and this wille xpand to 1.5 gigs |
| 17:46.47 | Phroziac | Eulex: default is kde, but i'm in gnome at the moment. |
| 17:46.51 | eeyore- | _Sam--: really |
| 17:47.00 | _Sam-- | knoppix expands to 4 gigs...i dont know how they do it |
| 17:47.04 | Phroziac | i'm using the graphical login too. |
| 17:47.05 | odb | Eulex: kbear as kde app ? |
| 17:47.10 | unsolo | is there a debian package for oscommerce ? |
| 17:47.11 | Eulex | Phroziac, what *display manager* are you running? kdm/xdm/gdm? |
| 17:47.17 | Vernon_ | odb: axyftp (motif) |
| 17:47.22 | Phroziac | Eulex: i'm not sure, let me check |
| 17:47.30 | Eulex | odb, yes. |
| 17:47.41 | Phroziac | i'm running kdm |
| 17:47.52 | _Sam-- | eeyore-: what would the filesystem be if you expand to ramdisk? |
| 17:47.57 | _Sam-- | the filesystem on the cf |
| 17:47.57 | Eulex | Phroziac, then I think kdm will let you select the default desktop environment |
| 17:48.02 | benjamindees | _Sam--, actually I was wrong, Knoppix uses cloop, not cramfs |
| 17:48.07 | Phroziac | Eulex: ok. |
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| 17:48.10 | evilbulgarian | hi, is there a summary of the major changes in kernel 2.6.15 somewhere? |
| 17:48.17 | cipix_ | anyone can tell me what's wrong with this c code ? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/sKmTX952.html |
| 17:48.18 | eeyore- | _Sam--: ramdisk can have any filesystem you want |
| 17:48.18 | Eulex | evilbulgarian, kernel.org |
| 17:48.19 | odb | Eulex: my apt-search has no hits regarding kbear |
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| 17:48.24 | benjamindees | _Sam--, cramfs has a limit of like 16 megs |
| 17:48.28 | Eulex | odb, are you running testing? |
| 17:48.32 | eeyore- | _Sam--: different layers here :-) ramdisk is in the device layer, not filesystem |
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| 17:48.40 | odb | Eulex: etch ;) |
| 17:48.42 | evilbulgarian | Eulex: do u mean the changelog in there? |
| 17:48.53 | Eulex | evilbulgarian, yes. |
| 17:48.56 | _Sam-- | so with the knoppix method....they take a compressed filesystem, then mount it loopback somehow? |
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| 17:49.07 | Eulex | odb, kbear ain't in etch because of the c++ abi transition. |
| 17:49.08 | eeyore- | _Sam--: yes. (knoppix) |
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| 17:49.24 | eeyore- | _Sam--: same idea. every access to the filesystem requires decompression |
| 17:49.27 | odb | Eulex: ok thank you for the hints |
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| 17:49.40 | Eulex | odb, what's bad about gftp btw? |
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| 17:49.56 | diesel | Eulex: I modified the about:config file within firefox and registered mms as a protocol and started an external app (to get mms streams to play when clicking on them within firefox). Thanks for the help earlier |
| 17:50.17 | odb | mh, not working 100% in some cases, so i was just interessted if there is an alterative...not more |
| 17:50.19 | _Sam-- | maybe it easiest to just keep my ext3 and strip some more crap out of there |
| 17:50.22 | Eulex | diesel, oh, ok. yw, even though I wasn't much of a help :) |
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| 17:50.45 | eeyore- | _Sam--: look at it this way ... "normal" loopback filesystem is 1:1 right? bit for bit right? well, nothing says it has to be this way :-) the underlying image is already compressed, so reading it requires decompression. |
| 17:50.53 | Eulex | odb, you could use a console ftp client to see if that works better |
| 17:50.57 | _Sam-- | i am more interested in learning HOW to do it than anything...creating a compressed file system from my 1.5 gigs...compacting it to 1g then booting it |
| 17:51.18 | _Sam-- | i know how to make the compressed image |
| 17:51.22 | _Sam-- | but that is where i stop |
| 17:51.34 | _Sam-- | compressed image with gzip |
| 17:51.35 | stew | _Sam--: so mount a knoppix cd and see what they are doing |
| 17:51.39 | _Sam-- | ive tried |
| 17:51.42 | _Sam-- | im not smart enough yet |
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| 17:51.51 | odb | Eulex: i am already (lftp) it was just the question if there is another gui based client ;) |
| 17:51.54 | slake | Where should I look to find out about "Package verificiation" |
| 17:51.56 | stew | _Sam--: you don't want to use gzip you want to use cloop |
| 17:51.57 | Eulex | odb, ok |
| 17:52.02 | odb | thx again |
| 17:52.15 | Eulex | !tell slake about apt secure |
| 17:52.19 | _Sam-- | i saw some methods that use mkisofs compact...but the output is a .gz |
| 17:52.21 | slake | thanks |
| 17:52.21 | stew | _Sam--: read docs for cloop-utils package |
| 17:52.24 | Eulex | odb, yw |
| 17:52.28 | benjamindees | _Sam--, you basically use an initrd to mount the loopback root fs |
| 17:52.43 | _Sam-- | benjamindees: thank you, that helped me understand a little better |
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| 17:52.52 | JPX | how do I read CHM and PDF files, in text mode, without X-windows installed? |
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| 17:53.03 | eeyore- | _Sam--: ok, the boot process goes thus |
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| 17:53.17 | _Sam-- | the boot stuff, (kernel, boot.img for initrd) would all still be outside the compacted /root ? |
| 17:53.20 | eeyore- | _Sam--: bios loads the boot loader (somewhere, on the MBR, on a device, whatever) |
| 17:53.28 | benjamindees | _Sam--, yes |
| 17:53.34 | eeyore- | _Sam--: the boot loader loads the kernel, and optionally any initial ramdisk |
| 17:53.46 | corvette | Ok, what's a bootloader I can load that will allow me to choose which GUI I want to boot from |
| 17:53.47 | ThetaWave | stew: Uname -r says "2.4.27-2-686". Should that have the power management built into it already? |
| 17:53.56 | Spec | GUI? bootloader? |
| 17:54.02 | _Sam-- | i see it! |
| 17:54.04 | eeyore- | _Sam--: kernel gets loaded at 0x10000, ramdisk gets loaded a little after that, i think. jumps to kernel to start initializing CPU and other hardware |
| 17:54.04 | keegan | Can anyone point me to some information on making all my debian disk into one dvd? |
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| 17:54.07 | _Sam-- | i can do it now. |
| 17:54.11 | benjamindees | corvette, you can use runlevels to achieve that |
| 17:54.13 | stew | ThetaWave: though i'd suggest switching to 2.6, what cpu do you have? |
| 17:54.20 | _Sam-- | i create a directory that has my boot stuff / grub directory... |
| 17:54.25 | benjamindees | corvette, unless you mean windows... |
| 17:54.26 | Spec | keegan: look into mondorescue mondo/mindi |
| 17:54.30 | _Sam-- | i create the compressed filesystem in the same directory |
| 17:54.35 | _Sam-- | i make an isofs |
| 17:54.42 | eeyore- | _Sam--: soon after, initrd gets mounted and the init script gets executed. this for the most part is a *very simple* shell script |
| 17:54.45 | Eulex | benjamindees, not in debian |
| 17:54.45 | keegan | thanks |
| 17:54.56 | ThetaWave | stew: I forget, but it's a laptop. Is there a command to find out? |
| 17:55.06 | corvette | Debian |
| 17:55.11 | Eulex | corvette, you choose what desktop environment or window manager you want with a display manager. |
| 17:55.15 | Spec | cat /proc/cpuinfo <- ThetaWave |
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| 17:55.29 | _Sam-- | i see it....THANK YOU all for your patience and teachings. |
| 17:55.30 | corvette | what display managers are there? |
| 17:55.31 | eeyore- | _Sam--: this skeleton "init" script is your chance to do fancy things like setting up ramdisks, setting up mount points, etc. before going off to mount the *real* root and invoke the real /sbin/init |
| 17:55.33 | kino | does this channel really have 774 people in it? |
| 17:55.33 | stew | ThetaWave: what version of debian? sarge aka stable? |
| 17:55.43 | ThetaWave | Spec: thanks |
| 17:55.43 | Spec | kino: yes |
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| 17:55.44 | Eulex | corvette, xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, entrance |
| 17:55.51 | corvette | thanks |
| 17:56.00 | corvette | someone said x-window-system and something else, I forgot the other one |
| 17:56.02 | ThetaWave | stew: I think it is sarge |
| 17:56.06 | Spec | X.org |
| 17:56.10 | eeyore- | _Sam--: when i was customizing my netboot machine, i ddin't even bother with a "real root" and just use the "initrd" and the skeleton init script for everything |
| 17:56.11 | stew | ThetaWave: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:56.12 | Spec | but that's not a dm |
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| 17:56.18 | Eulex | corvette, I'd personally recommend gdm. |
| 17:56.22 | Spec | me too |
| 17:56.34 | corvette | thanks |
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| 17:56.35 | Spec | gdm is teh sexy |
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| 17:56.48 | JPX | how do i view CHM files in text mode, without X installed? |
| 17:56.49 | corvette | thanks |
| 17:56.55 | ThetaWave | stew: is that stable? |
| 17:57.03 | jelly | Eulex: what's this entrance thingy, it doesn't end with dm ;-) |
| 17:57.04 | djstillman | Hey all. Any HP laserjet people here? |
| 17:57.06 | stew | ThetaWave: yes |
| 17:57.12 | JPX | do i use MC or LINKS? |
| 17:57.17 | Spec | djstillman: look how many people are in this room |
| 17:57.20 | Eulex | jelly, the e display manager |
| 17:57.25 | JPX | or di i have to convert them? |
| 17:57.29 | Spec | !anyone |
| 17:57.29 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:57.31 | ThetaWave | stew: I just downloaded what I thought was the latest on Friday. Is this new since then? |
| 17:57.33 | Eclipser | !room |
| 17:57.33 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 17:57.42 | Eulex | jelly, from the enlightenment project |
| 17:57.45 | LostFrog | Does anyone use Debian? |
| 17:57.47 | LostFrog | lol |
| 17:57.51 | Spec | no, no one uses debian. |
| 17:57.54 | benjamindees | !bot abuse |
| 17:57.54 | dpkg | Leave me alone.. I feel abused and molested. |
| 17:57.55 | jelly | Eulex: got it |
| 17:58.03 | Eulex | not even the one who use it uses it. |
| 17:58.11 | djstillman | Spec - so, do YOU know anything about HP Laserjets? |
| 17:58.12 | Eclipser | benjamindees, hardly abuse |
| 17:58.20 | stew | ThetaWave: you have the latest 2.4 kernel, i'm suggesting you switch to the latest 2.6 kernel, both are present in the current debian release |
| 17:58.21 | LostFrog | I would venture to guess that most people misuse it. |
| 17:58.23 | Eclipser | dpkg, I love you too |
| 17:58.30 | benjamindees | Eclipser, :) |
| 17:58.30 | _Sam-- | eeyore-: thanks again for everything |
| 17:58.33 | PupenoL | Hello. |
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| 17:58.47 | ThetaWave | stew: will there be any consequences? |
| 17:58.50 | eeyore- | _Sam--: no prob |
| 17:58.52 | _Sam-- | i think i will be back with more questions after i make the filesystem and try to boot it :) |
| 17:59.07 | stew | ThetaWave: i doubt it, and you will still have your current kernel to fall back on |
| 17:59.08 | PupenoL | Running mini-dinstall I get the error DinstallException: 'Unknown distribution "stable" in "/var/www/packages/mini-dinstall/incoming/libpri_1.2.1-1.rs.0_i386.changes"', why is "stable" unrecognized and/or how can I make mini-dinstall recognize it ? |
| 17:59.24 | abrotman | wtf is mini-dinstall ? |
| 17:59.33 | ThetaWave | stew: does it just move the kernel file aside? |
| 17:59.36 | PupenoL | dpkg: mini-dinstall |
| 17:59.49 | stew | ThetaWave: no, it installs the two side by side, and puts both in your grub menu |
| 18:00.02 | PupenoL | abrotman: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=mini-dinstall&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 18:00.11 | ThetaWave | stew: cool! thanks for your help! |
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| 18:00.32 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
| 18:00.37 | stew | ThetaWave: and what cpu do you have? is it a pentium m / centrino? pentuem 4? what? |
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| 18:01.30 | ThetaWave | stew: it's a PIII |
| 18:01.48 | ThetaWave | stew: will that work? |
| 18:02.10 | Eulex | ThetaWave, of course |
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| 18:02.53 | stew | ThetaWave: yes, (depending on what you mean by work exactly) you haven't yet told us specifically what you are looking for from power management |
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| 18:03.12 | ILF_ | k, whatever i did, nvdia module works |
| 18:03.14 | ThetaWave | stew: BTW, I've been using aptitude. Will apt-get interfere with that or anything? |
| 18:03.19 | stew | ThetaWave: you may want to look at the urls in: /msg dpkg laptops ; and see what others running debian have gotten working for your specific laptop model |
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| 18:03.28 | stew | ThetaWave: if you use aptitude, stick to aptitude |
| 18:03.45 | LostFrog | synaptic. |
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| 18:03.59 | stew | ThetaWave: so aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 ; not apt-get install... |
| 18:04.02 | ThetaWave | stew: I just want less power consumption on idling |
| 18:04.07 | ILF_ | now: no sound. ran alsaconf, ran fine. modules are loaded. i get no error in playback, yet i don't hear anything, although i double-checked alsamixer. any idea? (card: onboard of asus a7n8x mobo) |
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| 18:04.19 | grap_ | hi |
| 18:04.19 | benjamindees | what are the benefits/downsides of tcl/tk over python? |
| 18:04.31 | eeyore- | ILF_: alsamixer, unmute the channels? |
| 18:04.34 | ThetaWave | stew: what bad thing would happen if I used apt-get? |
| 18:04.41 | ILF_ | eeyore-: "i double-checked alsamixer" |
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| 18:04.52 | eeyore- | ILF_: that's not the same as saying "i unmuted the channels" |
| 18:04.54 | NOthsouth | how can I use netstat for find out what is LISTEN on some port ? like 8080 ? |
| 18:04.54 | eeyore- | ILF_: is it? |
| 18:04.57 | grap_ | i want to do an offtopic question, when someone says that something narrows your mind, what does he mean, that it makes you stupid ? |
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| 18:05.12 | eleftherios | benjamindees, perhaps asking in #python would be more effective :-) |
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| 18:05.18 | grap_ | NOthsouth, why not nmap ? |
| 18:05.21 | pureone | NOthsouth, netstat -tupln |
| 18:05.27 | pureone | grap_ firewalls ? |
| 18:05.34 | grap_ | XD ok |
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| 18:05.34 | ILF_ | eeyore-: i unmuted ALL channels and turned them up 100% |
| 18:05.37 | ILF_ | still nothing |
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| 18:05.42 | i3dmaster | If you use firefox to connect to address like this https://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:22, you will get "This address uses a network port which is normally used for purposes other than Web browsing. Firefox has canceled the request for your protection. My question is how to config firefox not the cancel the request? |
| 18:05.49 | pureone | programs may listen on 127.0.0.1 not 0.0.0.0 |
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| 18:05.59 | eeyore- | ILF_: onboard sound or expansion card? |
| 18:06.18 | stew | ThetaWave: aptitude keeps track of what packages were installed automatically vs. which packages were installed to satisfy dependencies, when you use apt-get behind its back, it could do some unexpected things as a result of not correctly knowing which packages you installed with apt-get were dependencies |
| 18:06.26 | ILF_ | eeyore-: onboard |
| 18:06.35 | ILF_ | "card: onboard of asus a7n8x mob" |
| 18:06.39 | eeyore- | ILF_: i810x module loaded? |
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| 18:06.59 | ILF_ | eeyore-: nope |
| 18:07.01 | grap_ | is there any English in the channel ? |
| 18:07.03 | ThetaWave | stew: I'm glad you told me! |
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| 18:07.13 | ILF_ | eeyore-: "FATAL: Module i810x not found." |
| 18:07.23 | eeyore- | ILF_: isn't that the module for onboard ac97/nvidia type of chips? |
| 18:07.29 | gallofa | k pasqa |
| 18:07.34 | eeyore- | ILF_: well ok, maybe not by THAT name :-) |
| 18:07.39 | ILF_ | eeyore-: i guess it's snd_intel8x0 |
| 18:07.44 | stew | ThetaWave: if you pay attention, its not a problem, and if you can change aptitudes view of a package with markauto and unmarkauto, man aptitude |
| 18:07.50 | ILF_ | eeyore-: which is loaded, yeah |
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| 18:08.26 | ThetaWave | stew: Aptitude can't find the kernel! It says: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-image-2.6-686" |
| 18:08.37 | stew | ThetaWave: doh, i meant kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:08.38 | _Sam-- | eeyore-: setting up initial ramdisks at boot, before root is mounted, that is all a function of initrd / mkinitrd? |
| 18:09.03 | ThetaWave | stew: whew! |
| 18:09.04 | cello_rasp | does anyone have any experience with installing the latest release wine on debian [formerly] stable |
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| 18:09.17 | benjamindees | cello_rasp, yes, bad experience unfortunately |
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| 18:09.30 | eeyore- | _Sam--: no, the boot loader loads the ramdisks at the right place |
| 18:09.34 | eeyore- | _Sam--: is that the question? |
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| 18:09.53 | _Sam-- | is the initial ramdisk configuration generated from mkinitrd? |
| 18:09.55 | eeyore- | _Sam--: however, the *preparation* of the initrd image is done by some other tool |
| 18:10.07 | grap_ | i want to do an offtopic question, when someone says that something narrows your mind, what does he mean, that it makes you stupid ? |
| 18:10.17 | cello_rasp | benjamindees: what happened that was so bad? |
| 18:10.39 | eeyore- | ILF_: then it ought to work. might the speaker wire be plugged into wrong port? :-) |
| 18:10.55 | benjamindees | cello_rasp, I think make install didn't quite work, but I didn't spend much time on it... |
| 18:10.56 | ILF_ | eeyore-: no |
| 18:10.57 | djstillman | grap_ - Nah, means you are getting stubborn. Normally have an open mind, now becoming closed... |
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| 18:11.17 | slake | Could someone point me to where I need to go to learn how to use my pcmcia wifi card in my debian laptop? |
| 18:11.23 | eeyore- | ILF_: ok, one other possibility, your tools want to use some sort of audio multiplexing daemon and you don't run one, or vice versa |
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| 18:11.54 | grap_ | djstillman, thanks |
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| 18:12.04 | mani21 | nic not detected its onboard nForce 430 |
| 18:12.04 | r0tu47 | slake> do you have it running / working, or are you just trying to get it installed? |
| 18:12.28 | ILF_ | eeyore-: that means what? |
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| 18:12.47 | weggpod | hy all |
| 18:12.57 | slake | I want to get it working |
| 18:12.59 | eeyore- | ILF_: you know, arts or some other |
| 18:13.07 | slake | the kernel seems to recognize it, but I don't know how to use it |
| 18:13.09 | r0tu47 | what kind of card is it? |
| 18:13.13 | stew | mani21: try the forcedeth module |
| 18:13.17 | jpablo | hi, anyone knows why mit-scheme isn't in debian? |
| 18:13.23 | slake | I know how to configure network interfaces |
| 18:13.25 | stew | mani21: and run update-pciids |
| 18:13.28 | slake | but I don't know how to set it's WEP key |
| 18:13.36 | slake | thats what I really want to know |
| 18:13.39 | stew | slake: man wireless |
| 18:13.45 | slake | and it is a netgear ma401 |
| 18:13.46 | mani21 | stew:i tried that but fails |
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| 18:14.53 | slake | Thanks |
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| 18:15.20 | adughep | anybody knows a good program for capture line-in sound ??? |
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| 18:16.34 | virgomoon | should a AMD Duron run the AMD64 branch or i386? |
| 18:16.36 | grap_ | i have another little question, is this command right for a WEP key encrypted connection, iwconfig eth0 essid xxxx key xxxxxxxxx ??? |
| 18:16.49 | stew | adughep: if you want gui try audacity, if you want simple, sound-recorder |
| 18:17.03 | grap_ | virgomoon, i thing the i386 |
| 18:17.04 | adughep | k |
| 18:17.05 | pureone | grap_, yes other then thats not a correct key :) |
| 18:17.12 | adughep | thanks stew |
| 18:17.13 | grap_ | pureone, XD |
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| 18:17.42 | pureone | grap_ i use a script to produce the wepkey from ascii |
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| 18:18.02 | pureone | so you can just do iwconfig eth0 essid blah key `wepkey yourkey` |
| 18:18.12 | grap_ | pureone, what? my real key is 10 sevens |
| 18:18.16 | djstillman | virgomoon - i686 |
| 18:18.33 | virgomoon | djstillman, there isn't a i686 is there? |
| 18:18.49 | nandro | can anyone tell me how I get bittorrent-gui to launch? |
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| 18:19.01 | grap_ | virgomoon, it will become when installing |
| 18:19.06 | rezZen | what is apt/deb equivalent of 'rpm -q pckg' and 'rpm -qa'? anyone know of a doc that is a good rpm-based distro to deb-based distro primer? |
| 18:19.07 | djstillman | virgomoon - Sorry... using ubuntu debian, and there is... |
| 18:19.16 | grap_ | nandro, execute btdownloadgui i think |
| 18:19.19 | SimonRaven | rezZen: man dpkg |
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| 18:19.28 | virgomoon | got a customer on the phone with a AMD Duron .. wants to know which port to buy |
| 18:19.29 | rezZen | thanks |
| 18:19.32 | virgomoon | i386, right? |
| 18:19.33 | nandro | grap thanks |
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| 18:19.42 | grap_ | no problem |
| 18:19.45 | djstillman | virgomoon - yeah |
| 18:19.48 | Eulex | virgomoon, yes. there is no i686. |
| 18:19.48 | grap_ | virgomoon, yeah |
| 18:19.49 | grap_ | ... X |
| 18:19.50 | djstillman | Can upgrade later |
| 18:19.50 | grap_ | XD |
| 18:19.52 | ThetaWave | stew: How do I set the grub default to this new kernel? My laptop has a burned-out backlight, so I'd rather use my ssh connection to reboot... |
| 18:19.55 | virgomoon | thank you guys |
| 18:20.00 | virgomoon | I really appreciate your help |
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| 18:20.14 | pureone | grap_, http://pastebin.com/490524 |
| 18:20.17 | loxley_ | nandro: if you are running X maybe you want to try out bittornado also |
| 18:20.19 | virgomoon | Sarge is a 2.6 kernel, correct |
| 18:20.27 | grap_ | thanks pureone |
| 18:20.29 | pureone | will save you some time :) |
| 18:20.37 | SimonRaven | rezZen: primer: dpkg -L <package name>; dpkg -l [foo] (regexen are understood by dpkg) |
| 18:21.21 | grap_ | cya guys, have homework |
| 18:21.21 | stew | ThetaWave: change the "default" entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst, its likely that you won't have to change anything, if the default is already 0 and the new kernel is the first listed |
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| 18:21.46 | stew | virgomoon: sarge has both 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 18:22.00 | virgomoon | stew, ty |
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| 18:22.08 | stew | virgomoon: "linux26" at the boot: prompt of the installer will get you a 2.6 kernel |
| 18:22.17 | stew | virgomoon: and you can alwasy switch later |
| 18:22.19 | virgomoon | k |
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| 18:23.53 | _joey | /wc |
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| 18:24.12 | _joey | oops :) |
| 18:24.53 | NOthsouth | How can I start Tomcat 5.5 on debian ??? .. i'm tryin g to execute the startup.sh from /bin .. but it's not working !! |
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| 18:25.02 | nandro | wow, btdownloadgui seems like a pain in the rectum. |
| 18:25.12 | bowman | nandro: use azureus |
| 18:25.19 | _joey | no |
| 18:25.25 | _joey | use mldonkey |
| 18:25.27 | nandro | I didnt see that in the synaptic |
| 18:25.34 | nandro | maybe I need more sources |
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| 18:25.53 | _joey | MLDonkey --the masterpiece |
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| 18:26.50 | adughep | what is the /dev for a flashpen or an usb ??? |
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| 18:27.07 | nandro | anyone know the best site for sarge repositories? |
| 18:27.22 | SimonRaven | the official ones |
| 18:27.28 | nandro | thanks |
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| 18:27.34 | stew | !mirrors |
| 18:27.34 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 18:27.46 | adughep | what is the /dev for a flashpen or an usb ??? |
| 18:27.46 | ThetaWave | stew: worked like a champ! |
| 18:27.49 | stew | adughep: do you run udev? have you read /msg dpkg usb-storage ? |
| 18:27.57 | adughep | yes a run |
| 18:28.02 | adughep | yes i run |
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| 18:28.21 | adughep | nope |
| 18:28.24 | apt-get_update | hi all |
| 18:28.46 | Padnah | I am new to Debian & Linux. I have installed KDE & Gnome as GUIs. During install I loaded all 14 disks when prompted to form a list of the available packages for Debian Linux. Using the KDE interface, is there a way view the available software packages that may be installed on my machine? |
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| 18:29.13 | bactisme | hi |
| 18:29.42 | gallofa | sois unos cabrones de mierda |
| 18:29.43 | thingfish | Padnah: try synaptic. |
| 18:29.48 | ThetaWave | stew: which power management tool do people prefer most? |
| 18:29.53 | apt-get_update | kick gallofa |
| 18:29.53 | djstillman | apt-get_update & bactisme - hi |
| 18:29.57 | gallofa | fokin nau |
| 18:30.01 | stew | adughep: after you load sd_mod and usb-storage, plug in the key and read dmesg, it should tell you which dev, likely /dev/sda, and it should then start showing up in "fdisk -l" |
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| 18:30.57 | Padnah | thingfish, is synaptic in the KDE start menu? Please excuse such an ignorant question, but I am quite ignorant. |
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| 18:31.19 | thingfish | Padnah: you'll need to open synaptic as root. (open terminal, type su, give it the password, then type synaptic.) |
| 18:31.30 | stew | ThetaWave: dunno, i just install cpufeqd and modprobe speedstep-centrino ; but since you don't have a centrino you need to figure out which if any module to load for your laptop /msg dpkg laptops |
| 18:31.40 | bactisme | Which script use pivot_root ? In my initrd or my root partition ? |
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| 18:31.55 | stew | ThetaWave: and if you use a DE, your DE probably has some fancy little applet or something to manage cpufreq |
| 18:31.57 | Eulex | thingfish, no. synaptic won't be able to connect to the X server. |
| 18:32.00 | adughep | k stew i know that /dev/sda1 is usally for sata or not? |
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| 18:32.09 | Eulex | Padnah, use sudo or sux. |
| 18:32.15 | thingfish | Eulex: oh, he's not in X yet? |
| 18:32.16 | ThetaWave | stew: what's DE? |
| 18:32.22 | stew | adughep: sda is for the first scsi disk, if you have sata disks then probably, yes |
| 18:32.31 | rezZen | SimonRaven: equivalent of 'rpm -qf <filename>' ? it's not clear from reading of man page. |
| 18:32.31 | stew | ThetaWave: desktop environment, like gnome or kde or xfce |
| 18:32.34 | thingfish | I thought he said he was in KDE. |
| 18:32.44 | Padnah | I am in KDE |
| 18:32.47 | mo1991 | can someone tell me how to make my linux printer shareable in samba. Have printer, samba, and swat setup but in swat it does not find my printer |
| 18:32.58 | Eulex | thingfish, if you run su to log in as root, any program you then run won't be able to connect to the X server. he should use sux or sudo- |
| 18:33.03 | Eulex | s/-/./ |
| 18:33.10 | SimonRaven | rezZen: i don't know what that does. tell me, and i'll tell you |
| 18:33.10 | stew | adughep: if you want udev to assign the same dev to it every time then read /msg dpkg udev usbkey |
| 18:33.12 | thingfish | that's crazy. I do it all the time. |
| 18:33.14 | slake | How do I configure my network options at boot in linux 2.6? |
| 18:33.31 | slake | I wish linux just had an rc.conf... |
| 18:33.38 | adughep | k stew i will see that .. and i dont have sata :( |
| 18:33.46 | stew | slake: man 5 interfaces ; /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 18:33.58 | rezZen | it tells me which package provided <filename>. |
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| 18:34.07 | slake | oh |
| 18:34.14 | adughep | slake what distro? |
| 18:34.17 | thingfish | Eulex: are you sure about this? That's the only way I use synaptic: open terminal, su to root, type synaptic, and I"m off. |
| 18:34.25 | SimonRaven | rezZen: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 18:34.30 | NOthsouth | there is any problem to run TOMCAT at debian ?????/ |
| 18:34.30 | thingfish | of course, that's in GNOME. |
| 18:34.36 | stew | adughep: if you don't have scsi or sata and no other usb storage devices plugged in it will probably be sda, and dmesg will tell you regardless |
| 18:34.37 | slake | debian |
| 18:34.51 | Eulex | thingfish, sorry. I seem to have been wrong. |
| 18:34.53 | SimonRaven | rezZen: dlocate is a nice add-on to do the same |
| 18:34.59 | slake | I want my wifi key saved, and I am hoping I don't have to do something sloppy |
| 18:35.02 | apt-get_update | NOthsouth, it isn |
| 18:35.08 | mani21 | anyone have any ideas as to what nic drivers i need for onboard nic on ASUS A8N-VM CSM |
| 18:35.13 | stew | slake: no, just put wireless-key foo in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:35.15 | adughep | see in /etc/sysconfig/network |
| 18:35.15 | SimonRaven | !tell NOthsouth -about ep |
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| 18:35.17 | thingfish | Eulex: you are usually right, I'll give you that. :) |
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| 18:35.28 | rezZen | hrm. tried that, got "dpkg: <filename> not found": |
| 18:35.32 | rezZen | $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/vi |
| 18:35.32 | rezZen | dpkg: /usr/bin/vi not found. |
| 18:35.37 | SimonRaven | adughep: there is no /etc/sysconfig |
| 18:35.53 | thingfish | well, not usually, this is the first time I've seen you be wrong. Can't say that for myself. |
| 18:36.06 | SimonRaven | adughep: don't give irrelevant advice |
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| 18:36.20 | thingfish | Padnah: you getting it? |
| 18:36.26 | brendan_ | hi, does the nohide option for /etc/exports work with the nfs-kernel-server? and if not, is there a way to dynamicly export and unexport filesystems with the nfs-user-server |
| 18:36.37 | adughep | stew and for example i have some ipod connect or usb camera i will see them just like tha as /dev/sda ..i forget to mention that i dont have debian install probably i need usb-storage too be installed too |
| 18:36.39 | stew | rezZen: vi is managed by the alternatives system |
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| 18:36.49 | Eulex | thingfish, was almost sure it would disallow you to connect to the X server after logging in as root with su... but I was wrong. normally, you're not allowed to connect to an X session from another user. I know that sudo and sux are exceptions. su seems to be an exception too. |
| 18:37.10 | stew | adughep: you don't run debian? what do you run |
| 18:37.11 | rezZen | ah -- i see that now. /usr/bin/vi points to a symlink in /etc/alternatives, which points to /usr/bin/nvi. |
| 18:37.21 | adughep | sorry SimonRaven that was on fedora |
| 18:37.34 | stew | rezZen: if you want to change it, update-alternatives --config vi |
| 18:37.43 | adughep | slackware |
| 18:37.47 | thingfish | adughep: the #fedora people are nice, why not ask in there? |
| 18:37.56 | rezZen | and for overview: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/91 |
| 18:37.59 | stew | adughep: then go to slackware and stop wasting peoples time |
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| 18:38.00 | thingfish | if that's what you're running. |
| 18:38.04 | stew | err #slackware |
| 18:38.23 | adughep | he he i dont waste people time ...and i think is not matter the distro |
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| 18:38.32 | adughep | the problem is the same |
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| 18:38.36 | Lord_Athur | hi all |
| 18:38.41 | Eulex | adughep, no. |
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| 18:38.49 | adughep | i just didnt work with usb thats all |
| 18:38.50 | Petaris | Could someone tell me how I can insert the kernel I just compiled into grub? |
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| 18:39.15 | Petaris | I don't know why debian is referencing initrd in the menu.lst file |
| 18:39.21 | ThetaWave | stew: I msg'ed like you said, then asked it about acpi. It said something that makes me think there might be a better way, but I don't know what it is. |
| 18:39.21 | Eulex | Petaris, did you compile it the debian way with make-kpkg and then dpkg -i? |
| 18:39.31 | ThomasAH | Does anyone have kernel-patch-nfs-ngroups for 2.6.15? The one for 2.6.14 doesn't apply anymore |
| 18:39.33 | ThetaWave | stew: It said, "acpi is probably Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken." |
| 18:39.35 | Petaris | Eulex: no, the regular way |
| 18:39.35 | benjamindees | wow, gfloppy takes up 9.5 megs |
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| 18:39.58 | stew | ThetaWave: /msg dpkg laptops and try the two urls there for people who have the same laptop as you |
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| 18:40.20 | Eulex | Petaris, update-grub iirc. btw, you should try the debian way of compiling kernels. |
| 18:40.28 | ma3x | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 18:40.28 | ma3x | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 18:40.30 | ma3x | whats that for? |
| 18:40.31 | ThetaWave | I did that too. no mention of power management... |
| 18:40.37 | ma3x | I'm receiving something like that every 2nd day! |
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| 18:40.46 | thingfish | ma3x: /topic |
| 18:40.46 | stew | ma3x: /topic |
| 18:40.58 | Petaris | Eulex: update the grub package? |
| 18:41.01 | ma3x | thanks stew thingfish |
| 18:41.12 | Eulex | Petaris, no, run the command update-grub. |
| 18:41.26 | Petaris | Eulex: ahh, ok |
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| 18:41.43 | adughep | anyway stew lets forget that i will manage usb ..i got another question i configured sendmail but no users can send mail only to receive ..if you know why? |
| 18:41.52 | ma3x | stew, what's the password? |
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| 18:42.05 | X2_ | hi, ppl |
| 18:42.14 | Eulex | !topicbadger ma3x |
| 18:42.14 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that ma3x didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 18:42.20 | djstillman | X2_ - Hey |
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| 18:43.02 | stew | adughep: try dpkg-reconfigure sendmail |
| 18:43.08 | Padnah | thingfish, sorry for the delay. I sent to su and typed in synaptic and am presently viewing the synaptic package manager. There is so much chat on this irc channel that it is hard to keep up with a thread of thought |
| 18:43.11 | stew | ma3x: which password? |
| 18:43.12 | ma3x | Eulex, the password for this: gpg: imported: 1 |
| 18:43.12 | ma3x | Password: |
| 18:43.14 | ma3x | stew, that one |
| 18:43.20 | ma3x | aaah hold on |
| 18:43.25 | ma3x | the password is for the su |
| 18:43.29 | ma3x | heh, didn't notice |
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| 18:43.38 | ma3x | but see this |
| 18:43.40 | ma3x | gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found |
| 18:43.46 | ma3x | why is it showing that? |
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| 18:44.45 | Zenethian | Is there a way to get a list of all files on my filesystem NOT created by dpkg? |
| 18:44.55 | jjazz | I've received GPG-encrypted message. I want to reply to the entire recipient list, but I lack one of their public keys. How do I get the key from the email to my keyring? I tried Cntrl-K, but was GPG reported "no valid OpenPGP data found". |
| 18:45.13 | Zenethian | the key isn't in the email |
| 18:45.17 | adughep | hm i think is confugred well only need some users to add in trusted-users or confTRUST_USERS better |
| 18:45.17 | Zenethian | try and grab it from a keyserver |
| 18:45.17 | Lord_Athur | when will debian have a new version??????????? |
| 18:45.23 | adughep | but i donty know for sure |
| 18:45.27 | Zenethian | Lord_Athur: some day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:45.36 | _rene_ | Lord_Athur: your ? key is broken |
| 18:45.37 | Lord_Athur | xd |
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| 18:45.41 | adughep | from the users id i can sent mail but only from telnet |
| 18:45.43 | Lord_Athur | HEHEHE |
| 18:45.49 | jjazz | Zenethian, that would explain the problem. Thanks. |
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| 18:45.57 | Lord_Athur | _rene_, I don't understand you |
| 18:46.01 | _rene_ | Lord_Athur: to answer your question: when it's ready. plan is december |
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| 18:46.13 | Zenethian | If you want the new version of debian |
| 18:46.15 | Zenethian | use unstable. :P |
| 18:46.17 | adughep | but if i use pine or nail they use sendmail -t and i got permissions denied in /var/spool/clientmqueue |
| 18:46.18 | _rene_ | Lord_Athur: your ? key is broken because it appearently gets stuck |
| 18:46.22 | Eulex | !excessive punctuation |
| 18:46.22 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 18:46.31 | Zenethian | bahah |
| 18:46.31 | _rene_ | Lord_Athur: and you therefore typed lots of useless ?'s |
| 18:46.32 | stew | adughep: please take it to #slackware or to #sendmail |
| 18:46.42 | adughep | k thanks anyway |
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| 18:46.56 | Lord_Athur | ok _rene_ I saw the problem with the keyboard |
| 18:47.03 | Lord_Athur | :D |
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| 18:47.10 | adughep | there i dont usually go because i dont get answer so quicly |
| 18:47.41 | kimo | I was installing Linux onto a HP server today. I was stunned the BIOS could 'see' LVM partitions! Is this normal! I thought LVM was a high level filesystem thing |
| 18:47.41 | tuv | when i transfer large files over the network the system becomes very un-responsive, espicially to tasks requiring disk-access, e.g.bringing long-unused program back from swap. if the number of such tasks requiring disk access increases during the transfer, the machine sometimes hangs completely and i need to hard-reset it. |
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| 18:47.53 | stew | !tell adughep about they don't know |
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| 18:48.17 | mhall | _rene_: I tried to build the ooo 2.x.x help files from source but Sun's build system is weird so I couldn't figure it out. Do you know when the in-program help will be available? |
| 18:48.33 | adughep | k:) |
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| 18:48.38 | _rene_ | mhall: it already is. since months/weeks |
| 18:48.42 | _rene_ | mhall: look in sid |
| 18:48.46 | MartianSpider | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.54 | _rene_ | !info openoffice.org-help-en-us sid |
| 18:48.58 | mhall | _rene_: yeah i have sid + experimental, perhaps i'm installing the wrong thing |
| 18:49.00 | dpkg | openoffice.org-help-en-us: (English_american help for OpenOffice.org), section contrib/doc, is optional. Version: 2.0.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 10667 kB, Installed size: 22676 kB |
| 18:49.07 | adughep | i tryed i dont have internet all t he day so i try fast and quick to find why ...but thanks anyway |
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| 18:49.28 | _rene_ | mhall: you need contrib in your sources.list... |
| 18:49.44 | _rene_ | at least for 2.0.0, for 2.0.1 I am attempting to move it t main |
| 18:50.17 | _rene_ | same applies for testing where OOo 2.0.0-5 will be in a few hours |
| 18:50.29 | mhall | _rene_: ok let me check my sources |
| 18:50.42 | mhall | _rene_: i'm pretty sure i have every imaginable standard debian archive |
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| 18:51.01 | _rene_ | mhall: then you are doing something wron. it *is* in sid. in contrib. |
| 18:51.02 | Zenethian | Is there a way to get a list of all files on my filesystem NOT created by dpkg? or at least a way to list all the files that dpkg did install so I can do something programmatic with it? |
| 18:51.09 | tuv | such transfers read large amount of data from disk but cannot send them as fast so until it is all sent no other task can access the disk until the disk is read again for the next amount of data to be sent |
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| 18:51.41 | mhall | _rene_: i'm kind of like mail demons when it comes to open source programs. i'm liberal in what licenses i'll accept and permissive in what licenses i'll write software with |
| 18:51.58 | tuv | this is very annoying.. even windows didn't do that |
| 18:52.07 | mhall | _rene_: anyhow, i'm sure i'm not doing something right as you say because it's obviously there to be downloaded |
| 18:52.16 | mhall | _rene_: so i'll just have to mess with it for a while |
| 18:52.36 | tuv | can someone please explain why is this happening or how to fix it? |
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| 18:52.59 | Zenethian | tuv: how are you transfering them? |
| 18:53.02 | mhall | tuv: that's probably not what's really happening |
| 18:53.10 | mhall | tuv: linux would not be that stupid |
| 18:53.13 | tuv | whose fault is it? the kernel's, the NIC driver or the transfer program? |
| 18:53.18 | Zenethian | it's likely your fault. |
| 18:53.24 | Zenethian | but, how are you transfering them? |
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| 18:53.51 | tuv | Zenethian: i tried varios ways: nautilus and mc over nfs, sftp |
| 18:53.51 | Nivea | Hi There. A simply question: does Debian support the Sun Fire X4200's chipset? (Dual Opteron machine) Does anybody know perhaps? |
| 18:53.57 | mhall | how do i get dpkg to dump available package names so i can grep them |
| 18:54.02 | mhall | Nivea: yeah that should work |
| 18:54.13 | mhall | Nivea: let me give you a link |
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| 18:54.18 | Eulex | mhall, dpkg -l? |
| 18:54.36 | mhall | Eulex: thanks |
| 18:54.38 | tuv | mhall: what is not happening? |
| 18:54.38 | Zenethian | tuv: it's probably your nic card then, or drivers thereof. Try ping-flooding the other machine and see if you get the same results. |
| 18:54.39 | Nivea | mhall: thank you. What about the new X4200's ? (One PCI-X slot changed to PCI-e, nothing else) |
| 18:54.48 | kimo | anyone knows of a *multiuser* Video conference software tool on Linux ? |
| 18:54.52 | mhall | Nivea: yeah PCIe is supported in recent 2.6 |
| 18:54.58 | Eulex | mhall, yw |
| 18:55.01 | Zenethian | how do I get dpkg to dump a list of all files it has installed for all installed packages? |
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| 18:55.10 | Zenethian | kimo: gnomemeeting? |
| 18:55.12 | Nivea | mhall: give me the link - I'll thank you. come to #flood |
| 18:55.16 | mhall | Nivea: ok |
| 18:55.18 | tuv | Zenethian: ping goes through even with the largest packet size |
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| 18:55.22 | kimo | Zenethian, nope only does user2user |
| 18:55.27 | Zenethian | tuv: flood pinging? |
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| 18:55.37 | Zenethian | kimo: then nope. |
| 18:56.06 | stew | mhall: look at grep-dctrl for grepping thorugh available |
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| 18:56.27 | tuv | Zenethian: i tried two NICs: wireless and wired, this happens with both, probably with a little waiting time difference |
| 18:56.28 | mhall | stew: ah elite |
| 18:56.31 | m4rco | ciao |
| 18:56.36 | m4rco | cè qualke italiano? |
| 18:56.42 | stew | !it |
| 18:56.42 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 18:56.51 | djstillman | !it |
| 18:56.54 | Zenethian | tuv: do you have DMA enabled on your disks? |
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| 18:57.47 | tuv | Zenethian: according to hdparm: yes dma is enabled |
| 18:57.47 | bobbens | is there a way to view where all the bulk of the partition is? like where the biggest files are and such? |
| 18:58.05 | ralfWORK | bobbens: not consisely |
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| 18:58.11 | ralfWORK | du -sh is your friend |
| 18:58.19 | stew | bobbens: cd /partitionroot ; du -ks * | sort -n |
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| 18:58.42 | bobbens | k thanks going to try that out |
| 18:58.44 | stew | bobbens: then you can cd to the lagest directory and drilldown until you find what you are looking for |
| 18:58.44 | efaistos | did someone install the fglrx-kernel pkg ? is it in unstable ? |
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| 18:58.50 | sifi-x | how do I upgrade kde 3.3 to 3.5? |
| 18:58.51 | Zenethian | bah |
| 18:58.52 | Nivea | mhall what do you think, will I need the PCIe slot in the X4200 ? I'm not really sure.. |
| 18:58.59 | Zenethian | sifi-x: apt-get install kde |
| 18:59.04 | eleftherios | is anyone here running skype on Etch? |
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| 18:59.08 | jamux | Can someone help with LVM on a USB disk? |
| 18:59.08 | jamux | I get athene:~# pvcreate /dev/sdc |
| 18:59.08 | jamux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.08 | jamux | athene:~# ls -l /dev/sdc* |
| 18:59.08 | jamux | brw-r----- 1 root hal 8, 32 2006-01-04 13:50 /dev/sdc |
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| 18:59.12 | jjazz | mutt |
| 18:59.18 | Eulex | sifi-x, in stable? |
| 18:59.23 | tuv | Zenethian: the problem is that the transfer is much slower than the network link can handle and slower than how fast it really is at times |
| 18:59.24 | sifi-x | Eulex, yes |
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| 18:59.37 | Zenethian | tuv: do you have DMA enabled on your disks? |
| 18:59.49 | tuv | Zenethian: according to hdparm: yes dma is enabled |
| 18:59.56 | Zenethian | dunno then |
| 19:00.04 | mhall | Nivea: about the PCIe slot, it's probably not essential but it could come in handy if you need a good RAID card or video card |
| 19:00.14 | sifi-x | "kde is already the newest version." I have 3.3 installed 3.5 is the latest version of kde |
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| 19:00.41 | Eulex | !kde 3.5 |
| 19:00.41 | dpkg | from memory, kde 3.5 is http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0/ |
| 19:00.47 | stew | sifi-x: stable never gets new versions of software, just sucurity updates |
| 19:00.49 | Eulex | if that doesn't work for you: |
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| 19:00.51 | Eulex | !kde3.5 |
| 19:00.52 | dpkg | KDE 3.4 not new enough for you? 3.5 was released a matter of days ago, and it's not in debian. Ask #debian-kde, they might have ideas. |
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| 19:01.07 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
| 19:01.09 | Boogerhead | can i use apt-get to find modules? |
| 19:01.12 | _rene_ | that's evidently wrong |
| 19:01.17 | _rene_ | 3.5 is in experimental |
| 19:01.22 | tamarindo | When I type startx I need run again alsaconf and alsamixer if I don't do this the sound does not works at X |
| 19:01.26 | stew | Boogerhead: youcan't /msg dpkg search |
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| 19:01.36 | Eulex | _rene_, not as far as I can see. |
| 19:01.39 | sifi-x | Eulex, I have 3.3.2 installed from stable packages |
| 19:01.43 | Boogerhead | ty stew |
| 19:01.46 | tamarindo | anyone know why ? |
| 19:01.48 | _rene_ | Eulex: it is. seriously. |
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| 19:02.08 | sifi-x | Eulex, 3.3 is old, so how do I get 3.4? |
| 19:02.18 | Eulex | sifi-x, 3.4 is in testing, iirc |
| 19:02.28 | sifi-x | Eulex, ok |
| 19:02.29 | _rene_ | 3.4 is in testing beginning from around 4/5 hours |
| 19:02.45 | tamarindo | When I type startx I need run again alsaconf and alsamixer if I don't do this the sound does not works at X. Why ? |
| 19:02.58 | _rene_ | depends on how fast the mirror pulse is and how fast your mirror updates |
| 19:03.10 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:03.10 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:03.14 | Eulex | _rene_, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=kde -- I still don't see any kde in experimental |
| 19:03.20 | jjazz | I have two network interfaces, one wired and one wireless. I would like to use them to access two different networks at once-- basically to use the wireless interface except for a certain domain (or perhaps just when the wireless fails to resolve). Can this be done? |
| 19:03.22 | _rene_ | Eulex: look for kdelibs |
| 19:03.38 | _rene_ | Eulex: or kdebase |
| 19:03.39 | _rene_ | Eulex: or... |
| 19:03.41 | _rene_ | Eulex: and read the descroption of kde. kde is just a dummy-package |
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| 19:03.50 | _rene_ | Eulex: to install kdelibs, kdebase, ... |
| 19:03.51 | tarzeau | Eulex: yes i noticed |
| 19:04.02 | mhall | _rene_: alright, it seems that the en-us help will install but the de help has unmet depends on openoffice.org-core and openoffice.org-common |
| 19:04.17 | _rene_ | the de help has the same dependencies as the en-us help |
| 19:04.30 | _rene_ | and the dependencies *are* fullfillable on up-to-date sid |
| 19:04.32 | Eulex | _rene_, oh, so they didn't add a kde metapackage for the version in experimental? strange |
| 19:04.43 | _rene_ | Eulex: because it's not needed |
| 19:04.50 | _rene_ | the help simply needs 2.0.0-2 |
| 19:04.51 | tuv | Zenethian: BTW, ping flooding makes softirqd take all of my cpu |
| 19:04.52 | tuv | Zenethian: does that tell you anything? |
| 19:05.03 | _rene_ | and up |
| 19:05.05 | tuv | Zenethian: hmm.. looks like ping flooding gets out of hand |
| 19:05.09 | _rene_ | which *is* fullfillable in sid |
| 19:05.16 | mhall | _rene_: hmm |
| 19:05.31 | grendal_prime | hey i got a dell inspiron that is not enableing the cooling fans |
| 19:05.31 | Zenethian | tuv: sounds like a NIC problem, yeah |
| 19:05.33 | grendal_prime | anyone ever run into this? |
| 19:05.49 | grendal_prime | laptop basically. it gets hot and the video gets wonky |
| 19:05.57 | mhall | _rene_: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 19:06.05 | Eulex | grendal_prime, what cpu? |
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| 19:06.11 | mhall | _rene_: openoffice.org-core is already the newest version. |
| 19:06.17 | mhall | _rene_: openoffice.org-common is already the newest version. |
| 19:06.18 | XTL | grendal_prime: and it's not a hardware problem (dead fan)? |
| 19:06.20 | asg | grendal_prime: do you have acpid installed? |
| 19:06.37 | grendal_prime | yes on the acpid |
| 19:06.55 | grendal_prime | fans kick on when i plug it in for a few seconds..i know they work |
| 19:07.04 | mhall | grendal_prime: yeah this can happen if the DSDT is fucked up |
| 19:07.27 | Eulex | mhall, he may just not have loaded the right modules to enable speedstep |
| 19:07.31 | Eulex | grendal_prime, what cpu? |
| 19:07.31 | grendal_prime | its a pentIII coppermine |
| 19:07.34 | djstillman | grendal_prime - stop running it until you get it resolved!! Call Dell!! |
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| 19:07.43 | asg | grendal_prime: do you have the i8kutils package? If not, it contains a utility to manually control the fans |
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| 19:07.50 | grendal_prime | dsdt? |
| 19:07.55 | mhall | grendal_prime: you need to get the iasl package, install that, use it to decompile the DSDT in /proc/acpi/dsdt, and fix the errors caused by idiots using the microsoft dsdt compiler |
| 19:07.57 | _rene_ | and what does apt-get install say? |
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| 19:08.05 | grendal_prime | asg i installed that but it tells me there is no....hold on |
| 19:08.08 | Eulex | grendal_prime, ah. then you don't need to load any special module. listen to mhall. |
| 19:08.08 | mhall | grendal_prime: the DSDT is a table of hardware specific data ACPI uses to do its job |
| 19:08.17 | john_doe | what repository should I add to get unrar? |
| 19:08.24 | asg | john_doe: /msg dpkg unrar |
| 19:08.29 | mhall | grendal_prime: you might also have to post to the following list and / or search archives |
| 19:08.32 | _rene_ | anyway, it *is* installable, I do have it installed here. |
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| 19:08.34 | opensores | Can anyone recommend a good usenet client for use on debian sarge? |
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| 19:08.38 | grendal_prime | cand open /proc/i8k |
| 19:08.45 | asg | grendal_prime: modprobe i8k |
| 19:09.10 | mhall | grendal_prime: acpi.sourceforge.net/mailinglists.html |
| 19:09.19 | mhall | grendal_prime: also check for a fixed dsdt here: |
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| 19:09.24 | petemc | opensores: i use klibido |
| 19:09.29 | muttix | opensores, pan |
| 19:09.47 | mhall | grendal_prime: acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/index.php |
| 19:10.00 | john_doe | asg: I don't get it. It doesn't answer my wuestion. There is no package called unrar-free either |
| 19:10.04 | mhall | john_doe: you have to use non-free to get that |
| 19:10.06 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
| 19:10.13 | grendal_prime | the module is not loaded... |
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| 19:10.16 | mhall | john_doe: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 19:10.25 | grendal_prime | and its not showing in module assistant...damn |
| 19:10.41 | mhall | grendal_prime: yeah you might need the acpi and acpi fan driver modules depending |
| 19:10.43 | apt-get_upgrade | has anybody configured squid? |
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| 19:10.50 | mhall | grendal_prime: long-term you'll need a kernel with a hacked dsdt |
| 19:11.01 | grendal_prime | this thing use to work... |
| 19:11.15 | apt-get_upgrade | I have this problem with squid No space left on device... when there is space! |
| 19:11.18 | grendal_prime | i think this started after i switched to debian on it |
| 19:11.30 | asg | john_doe: then add non-free to your sources, apt-get update, and apt-cache search unrar |
| 19:11.39 | mhall | grendal_prime: THAT'S BECAUSE THEY USE SOFTWARE TO CONTROL THE FANS |
| 19:11.49 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 19:11.51 | mhall | grendal_prime: the software is ACPI, when it's broken, the fans won't work |
| 19:12.03 | mhall | grendal_prime: if you want the fans to work, fix it |
| 19:12.08 | asg | apt-get_upgrade: have you recently deleted anything (say logs) from the device? |
| 19:12.08 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 19:12.08 | john_doe | asg: non-free as distribution? |
| 19:12.09 | grendal_prime | ok |
| 19:12.19 | grendal_prime | acpi is on |
| 19:12.20 | asg | !non-free |
| 19:12.20 | dpkg | i heard non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html |
| 19:12.23 | asg | john_doe: ^^^^ |
| 19:12.35 | apt-get_upgrade | asg yes i have |
| 19:12.46 | asg | apt-get_upgrade: did you restart syslogd? |
| 19:12.53 | apt-get_upgrade | no |
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| 19:13.03 | asg | apt-get_upgrade: try that and see if that fixes things |
| 19:13.03 | NOthsouth | how can I find out the pid from some service, just knowing the port of the service is LISTENING... ?? |
| 19:13.18 | asg | NOthsouth: netstat -plunt |
| 19:13.22 | FallOnMe | apt-get_upgrade: do you have enough inodes? |
| 19:13.33 | FallOnMe | apt-get_upgrade: df -i to find out |
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| 19:14.08 | rutski89 | Does inetd listen to every port when it starts? |
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| 19:14.29 | asg | rutski89: no, only those it's configured to |
| 19:14.39 | apt-get_upgrade | S.ficheros Nodos-i NUsados NLibres NUso% Montado en |
| 19:14.39 | apt-get_upgrade | /dev/hda5 448000 91707 356293 21% / |
| 19:14.43 | apt-get_upgrade | FallOnMe, |
| 19:14.49 | FallOnMe | yes you do. |
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| 19:15.10 | apt-get_upgrade | i don't know what to do |
| 19:15.16 | NOthsouth | asg, thx :) |
| 19:15.22 | asg | NOthsouth: you're welcome |
| 19:16.25 | asg | apt-get_upgrade: if restarting sysklogd didn't fix things, try 'touch /path/to/dir/foo' (if that fails, strace it -- 'strace touch /path/to/dir/foo') |
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| 19:18.50 | apt-get_upgrade | asg, i have do it |
| 19:18.56 | apt-get_upgrade | asg, but i have the same problem |
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| 19:19.01 | FallOnMe | apt-get_upgrade: Also, try to find out if another process holds deleted files on that filesystem: lsof | grep deleted |
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| 19:19.17 | stouset | Okay, this is weird. |
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| 19:19.45 | stouset | I can't open any gnome-terminal processes, or use sudo, or iwconfig. All of them lock up, hard, no status messages.. |
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| 19:19.58 | Bklyn | hrm, my mysql-server seems borked |
| 19:20.09 | Bklyn | anyone having trouble with the new one (mysql-server-5.0?) |
| 19:20.12 | asg | stouset: have you strace'd one of the processes to see? |
| 19:20.15 | drivamgr2006 | when you say hard lock up, stouset , you mean the system freezes? |
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| 19:20.31 | brendan_ | does anyone know how to make the nohide option work with the nfs-kernel server |
| 19:20.31 | stouset | asg: Yes, was about to paste that. Can't open a term, so having to switch to vts |
| 19:20.38 | stouset | asg: kill -9 doesn't do anything either. |
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| 19:20.39 | Bklyn | hm, loosk like an open bug report |
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| 19:21.10 | asg | stouset: also, anything out of the ordinary in dmesg? |
| 19:21.23 | stouset | strace sudo hangs at: ioctl(3, SIOCGIWNAME |
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| 19:21.49 | stouset | pardon, that's strace iwconfig |
| 19:22.00 | drivamgr2006 | asg - can you pastebin your dmesg up somewhere? |
| 19:22.10 | drivamgr2006 | sorry, stouset, beg yer pardon |
| 19:22.30 | stouset | strace sudo gives me close(3) : -1 EBADF (bad file descriptor) |
| 19:22.37 | drivamgr2006 | this is what gin & tonic does to yer mind... :) |
| 19:22.38 | stouset | 'f I can figure out a way to open a term :) |
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| 19:22.55 | asg | stouset: you might want to first drop to single user and fsck the filesystem. |
| 19:22.57 | drivamgr2006 | try this, go to a vt, and go in as root |
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| 19:23.23 | drivamgr2006 | then type dmesg > (path to desktop)/dmesg.txt |
| 19:23.35 | stouset | asg: Yeah, doing fsck -n. |
| 19:24.32 | stouset | asg: Looks like it might be a borked filesystem. |
| 19:24.32 | stouset | drivamgr2006: Was about to do that :) Gimme a sec. |
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| 19:24.33 | drivamgr2006 | that would produce the contents of yer dmesg as a text file on the desktop |
| 19:24.33 | drivamgr2006 | ok stouset |
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| 19:24.59 | john_doe | asg: (and others) thank you very much for helping :-) |
| 19:25.08 | asg | john_doe: you're welcome |
| 19:25.20 | mo1991 | can anyone using samba with swat configuring give me a hand. Not sure what I need to change in default config for files and print share |
| 19:25.28 | stouset | Looks like I can't open a browser either :) |
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| 19:25.39 | stouset | But, it appears to be filesystem fuckupery. Going to fsck and be right back. |
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| 19:26.22 | grendal_prime | mhall i cant figure out how the hell im supposed to complile this i8k utils |
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| 19:27.00 | grendal_prime | and i found something that says on this laptop the fans are totally controlled by the bios. acpi works on this machine but aparently not on the fans portion of it |
| 19:27.19 | Boogerhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.32 | Eulex | Boogerhead, very likely, yes |
| 19:27.45 | asg | Boogerhead: yes, just apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install one from the list presented) |
| 19:28.01 | drivamgr2006 | yup. Thats what I did Boogerhead - upgraded the kernel and didnt bust a thing |
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| 19:28.13 | drivamgr2006 | follow what asg said |
| 19:28.46 | Boogerhead | stick with the 386 kernel for a pentium m? |
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| 19:28.59 | asg | Boogerhead: an i686 should be fine also |
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| 19:29.42 | kombi | in kernel 2.6.15, where do you set RAM to > 1 Gig? |
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| 19:29.50 | drivamgr2006 | Pentium M is perfectly fine working with an i686 kernel. Should have no problems Boogerhead |
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| 19:30.21 | Belboz99 | Hey, I've got a gstreamer error, how do I restart Gstreamer without rebooting? |
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| 19:31.00 | kombi | never mind.. (High Memory Supo |
| 19:31.18 | stouset | asg: Looks to have been the problem. Thanks. |
| 19:31.42 | stouset | asg: Never seen filesystem fuckups do that before, though. I've seen segfaults or read errors, but never that. |
| 19:31.51 | concept10 | could I safely resize my ext3 partition on my dual boot system (other is ntfs) |
| 19:31.52 | asg | stouset: you're welcome, glad you got that fixed. Keep an eye on /var/log/kern.log to verify that your drive isn't starting to die. |
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| 19:32.02 | Boogerhead | thank you very much, guys |
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| 19:32.17 | drivamgr2006 | you are very welcome Boogerhead - we're always here |
| 19:32.20 | stouset | asg: That would actually kind of suck, because I *just* replaced the drive :\ |
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| 19:32.38 | stouset | drivamgr2006: There's no need for name calling... |
| 19:32.40 | Boogerhead | driva, if you are always here then i cannot safely invite you out for a beer if you make it near boston :P |
| 19:32.47 | asg | stouset: well, your problem wasn't a direct indicator of a drive problem, just worth mentioning. |
| 19:32.56 | stouset | asg: Uh oh. Still having the sudo problem. |
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| 19:33.10 | asg | stouset: can you open gnome-terminals still? |
| 19:33.35 | drivamgr2006 | stouset, that was directed at the user called Boogerhead, not you!!! |
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| 19:34.09 | stouset | drivamgr2006: :) |
| 19:34.15 | stouset | asg: Yeah. Let me start pasting some stuff. |
| 19:34.18 | drivamgr2006 | [+:-) |
| 19:34.38 | kart_ | what I can do even if apt-get -f install not works? |
| 19:34.47 | jamux | Can someone help with LVM on a usb disk on sid 2.6.15-1-k7? pvcreate /dev/sdc gives Device /dev/sdc not found. while I see ls -l /dev/sdc : brw-r----- 1 root hal 8, 32 2006-01-04 13:50 /dev/sdc. I had done dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=512 count=1 |
| 19:34.50 | pablob | anyone updated xorg to 6.9 and got it all wrong? |
| 19:34.52 | Wanderer | anyone know about the debian rsync mirror? i seem to be getting connection errors |
| 19:35.16 | pablob | it doesnt load .Xresources or .xsession anymore :? |
| 19:35.16 | kart_ | it say package is in unstable so you need to reinstall before removing it! |
| 19:35.21 | Wanderer | this is a cron that's been running a long time too |
| 19:35.30 | drivamgr2006 | Boogerhead: It would be hard to get anywhere near Boston, since I am in England, but thanks for the thought anyhow! |
| 19:36.05 | asg | drivamgr2006: after enough pints, Boston could become Bolton and you'd be close enough |
| 19:36.12 | drivamgr2006 | lol |
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| 19:36.29 | drivamgr2006 | Unless he means Boston in Lincolnshire, in which case, I'm about 40 miles out |
| 19:36.33 | drivamgr2006 | :) |
| 19:36.43 | asg | or that :) |
| 19:36.50 | rumpl | anyone knows why my apt-get tells me this: "This APT has Super Cow Powers" ?? |
| 19:37.08 | asg | rumpl: did you type 'apt-get moo' |
| 19:37.12 | rumpl | lol |
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| 19:37.25 | Wanderer | looks like the us mirror doesn't run rsync now... odd |
| 19:37.27 | asg | rumpl: seriously |
| 19:37.33 | Eulex | rumpl, no, you typed apt-get help |
| 19:37.52 | drivamgr2006 | gtg guys... back in a bit - lunchtime! |
| 19:37.53 | kombi | rumpl: do as he said, it's an easer egg |
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| 19:38.02 | kombi | easter even |
| 19:38.05 | Eulex | rumpl, also, try apt-build moo, aptitude moo, aptitude moo -v, aptitude moo -vv, aptitude moo -vvv etc |
| 19:38.07 | rumpl | yeah I just saew |
| 19:38.14 | Wanderer | need to find someone to get my sited added as a public, primary mirror |
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| 19:38.34 | stouset | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1462 |
| 19:39.16 | stouset | dmesg is forthcoming. |
| 19:39.21 | stouset | takes awhile to paste in links2 :) |
| 19:39.22 | rumpl | ok so the cow thing is normal... ok |
| 19:39.23 | SimonRaven | Wanderer: ask on debian-devel@lists.d.o maybe |
| 19:39.35 | Wanderer | Simon: will do, thanks |
| 19:39.37 | kombi | quite normal it is |
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| 19:40.03 | SimonRaven | you might get redirected elsewhere, but they're more likely to know |
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| 19:40.23 | stouset | asg: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1463 |
| 19:40.31 | stouset | asg: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1462 |
| 19:40.34 | asg | stouset: try manually chmod'ing it (chmod 2755 /usr/bin/sudo) |
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| 19:41.33 | stouset | Same problem, different strace error with |
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| 19:41.43 | kino | noob question: how do I disable services (like sshd) |
| 19:41.53 | weasel | cd /etc/rc2.d |
| 19:41.57 | weasel | mv S20ssh K20ssh |
| 19:42.06 | asg | kino: or use update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 19:42.15 | weasel | update-rc.d considered harmful. |
| 19:42.22 | kino | rcconf command not found |
| 19:42.23 | asg | weasel: only if you don't read the manpage |
| 19:42.27 | asg | kino: install it |
| 19:42.30 | kino | ahh ok |
| 19:42.31 | weasel | asg: as if anybody in here did that. |
| 19:42.44 | stouset | asg: any other suggestions? |
| 19:42.54 | kino | manuals are for wimps |
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| 19:43.08 | asg | stouset: is /proc mounted? what are the filesystem permissions of '/'? |
| 19:43.13 | SimonRaven | @kill kino |
| 19:43.18 | kino | I'm just kidding hehe |
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| 19:43.21 | SimonRaven | !kill kino |
| 19:43.24 | kino | it's just too convenient to ask you guys |
| 19:43.25 | stouset | asg: dpkg --purge'd sudo, reinstalled. No luck still. |
| 19:43.33 | stouset | proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 19:43.37 | asg | stouset: also, what are the filesystem perms on /tmp |
| 19:43.40 | stouset | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.46 | Boogerhead | ok, the new image of 2.6.8 hangs immediately .. is there a way to uninstall a kernel image? |
| 19:43.58 | stouset | asg: drwxrwxrwt 10 root root 4096 2006-01-04 14:41 /tmp |
| 19:44.11 | Eulex | Boogerhead, yes, apt-get remove it. what does it say, btw, before it hangs? kernel panic? |
| 19:44.19 | stouset | drwxr-xr-x 20 root root 4096 2006-01-04 14:26 / |
| 19:44.23 | Eulex | Boogerhead, is your hd by any chance sata or scsi? |
| 19:44.28 | Boogerhead | eulex, it just halts |
| 19:44.40 | Boogerhead | i believe itÅ› IDE ... internal laptop drive |
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| 19:44.53 | Eulex | Boogerhead, ok. |
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| 19:45.07 | Seicherl | whats a good size for the swap partition? |
| 19:45.09 | pablob | nobody had problems with the new xorg packages? |
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| 19:45.12 | Boogerhead | found a web page in german suggesting 2.6.14 works ... i will try that |
| 19:45.23 | cyberix | Is there an IRC channel for the Debian w32 port? |
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| 19:45.41 | SimonRaven | !troll cyberix |
| 19:45.56 | kombi | Boogerhead: why should it not work? |
| 19:45.59 | SimonRaven | it's dead jim |
| 19:46.07 | cyberix | dpkg: http://debian-cygwin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:46.17 | cyberix | SimonRaven: http://debian-cygwin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:46.20 | SimonRaven | simple web search would have shown that |
| 19:46.21 | stouset | asg: Looks good, no? |
| 19:46.27 | asg | stouset: looks fine to me |
| 19:46.32 | stouset | and yet... |
| 19:46.33 | asg | stouset: what were the perms on '/' again? |
| 19:46.37 | SimonRaven | still dead |
| 19:46.38 | stouset | asg: drwxr-xr-x 20 root root 4096 2006-01-04 14:26 / |
| 19:46.45 | SimonRaven | cygwin is not a debian win32 port |
| 19:46.57 | kombi | Boogerhead: I am asking becaus I am just rolling 2.6.15 |
| 19:47.03 | asg | stouset: that's fine. All I can suggest is doing a full reboot and see if fsck complains again. |
| 19:47.03 | cyberix | SimonRaven: Did I claim it is? |
| 19:47.14 | stouset | asg: Back in a few :\ |
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| 19:47.26 | SimonRaven | cyberix : Is there an IRC channel for the Debian w32 port? |
| 19:47.32 | SimonRaven | first thing you said in fact |
| 19:47.44 | SimonRaven | so, yes you did say so |
| 19:47.48 | Boogerhead | kombi, i just downloaded 2.6.15 now .. dunno .. this hardware is really, really strange |
| 19:47.58 | cyberix | SimonRaven: Where does it read cygwin? |
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| 19:48.16 | shad_ | hi |
| 19:48.19 | SimonRaven | going in circles... |
| 19:48.22 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
| 19:48.40 | kombi | Boogerhead: It might be the kernel config as well.. |
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| 19:49.01 | boguh | how, i just compiled irssi. how can i run it without installing it? |
| 19:49.18 | asg | boguh: find where the binary is, ./irssi |
| 19:49.18 | shad_ | did you experienced gpg key problem with apt-get update ? |
| 19:49.24 | asg | shad_: /topic |
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| 19:49.38 | shad_ | find . -name irssi |
| 19:50.02 | shad_ | asg thanks :) |
| 19:50.16 | shad_ | i'm a little blind ... |
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| 19:50.52 | asg | it's printed in large, friendly letters on the cover ;) |
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| 19:51.45 | shad_ | arg |
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| 19:51.57 | shad_ | syntaxpolice.org is down |
| 19:52.16 | kino | what is System.map for, do I need to copy it to /boot ? |
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| 19:52.43 | Lord_Athur | hi all |
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| 19:54.14 | sifi-x | which distros is recommended for desktops? KDE 3.3 in debian is quite outdated |
| 19:54.30 | SimonRaven | kino: would be an excellent idea to do so |
| 19:54.34 | kombi | sifi-x: wrong channel.. |
| 19:54.52 | SimonRaven | sifi-x: /topic; #debian-kde |
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| 19:55.15 | Spec | where do you set CONFIG_X86_HT in `make menuconfig` ? |
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| 19:55.21 | shad_ | ok |
| 19:55.35 | Nivea | mhall: still there ? Does Debian installer support SAS (Serial Attached SCSI) drives and controllers in the Sun Fire X4200? |
| 19:55.53 | shad_ | no more problems with apt ... with http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc -O - | apt-key add - |
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| 19:56.36 | shad_ | the howto was using the 2005 key ... |
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| 19:57.11 | stouset | asg: Nothing. I did a mkswap again, just in case. |
| 19:57.36 | Seicherl | i just did the partitioning at the installation and formated / as ext3. can i change that to etx2 afterwards (i had bad experiences with ext3)? |
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| 19:59.16 | teknoprep | what i need to install for fluxbox? |
| 19:59.17 | peterS | Seicherl: yes if you can boot from some other device, like the install CD in rescue mode, you can use 'tune2fs' |
| 19:59.20 | teknoprep | i did apt-get install fluxbox |
| 19:59.25 | teknoprep | but x11 wasn't installed? |
| 19:59.41 | Zenethian | well |
| 19:59.42 | Seicherl | peterS: how would i start that tool? |
| 19:59.55 | Zenethian | just what fluxbox needs to run with. It might expect that your actual X server is remote, not local. |
| 19:59.58 | peterS | Seicherl: specifically tune2fs -O ^has_journal /dev/whatever |
| 20:00.23 | teknoprep | hmm |
| 20:00.25 | peterS | Seicherl: that's capital-O not zero. 'has_journal' is the difference between ext2 and ext3, and ^ turns it off |
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| 20:00.35 | teknoprep | what do i have to apt'd to get X installed? |
| 20:00.40 | Seicherl | peterS: actually its an ubuntu. I thought thats not debianspecific. |
| 20:00.54 | pureone | apt-get install fluxbox ;) |
| 20:01.02 | teknoprep | i already did |
| 20:01.06 | stew | teknoprep: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 20:01.07 | teknoprep | startfluxbox doesn't work |
| 20:01.09 | teknoprep | ty |
| 20:01.13 | pureone | startx |
| 20:01.17 | peterS | Seicherl: you're right, it's not debian-specific |
| 20:01.23 | teknoprep | startx doesn't exist |
| 20:01.23 | pureone | and config your ~/.xinitrc |
| 20:01.28 | pureone | hmmm |
| 20:01.34 | teknoprep | i am doing what stew said |
| 20:01.43 | Seicherl | peterS: thx. I'll have a look on that |
| 20:01.47 | teknoprep | it needed alot of packages from that |
| 20:02.08 | teknoprep | kept trying to install xorg or x or X or x11 or X11 |
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| 20:02.11 | kombi | can't remember, what do you do after make-kpkg, copy to /boot? make modules? |
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| 20:02.35 | peterS | kombi: it produces a .deb file which you can then install with 'dpkg -i' |
| 20:02.39 | stouset | kombi: Install the .deb |
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| 20:03.04 | kombi | peterS stouset: thanks! so used to conventional warfare.. |
| 20:03.17 | Spec | from microsoft: "Windows servers recover approximately 30 percent faster from security attacks than Linux servers" |
| 20:03.27 | Nivea | lol |
| 20:03.31 | kombi | Spec: wrong channel.. |
| 20:03.37 | gloin | Anyone here have any success debugging problems with postgrey on sarge? I've got the daemon running, but postfix isn't talking to it. Here's the relevant part of main.cf: http://pastebin.ca/35742 |
| 20:03.39 | Spec | i think that's wrong |
| 20:03.48 | stouset | kombi: If there's not a particular reason you're compiling your kernel, you shouldn't be doing it anyways. |
| 20:03.52 | Spec | is that because everyone's really really used to windows servers crashing and therefore are really used to recovering them or something? |
| 20:04.10 | peterS | Spec: depends on what they mean by "recover". like they think you can restore from your backups and check your stuff 30% faster? |
| 20:04.12 | kombi | stouset: RAM > 1 Gig, multiple Cpus.. |
| 20:04.20 | stouset | kombi: Debian provides prepackaged kernels that have everything modularized |
| 20:04.29 | stouset | kombi: So use the -smp kernel. |
| 20:04.35 | teknoprep | i know aterm can be transparent ... can xterm? |
| 20:04.42 | peterS | teknoprep: no |
| 20:04.45 | teknoprep | damn |
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| 20:04.54 | teknoprep | wonder if i can get aterm to work in cygwin |
| 20:05.00 | phaedrus_ | how do i change the directory that grub trys to boot linux in? |
| 20:05.02 | stouset | apt-get install linux-image-686-smp |
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| 20:05.11 | zeballin3 | I'm new. Running 'testing.' Where can I find mscorfonts and other fonts. Synaptic does not show them in etch. help. |
| 20:05.14 | Spec | peterS: I always assumed restoring from backup speed was related to how fast your disks can read/write.... |
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| 20:05.23 | kombi | stouset: in this case, it is > 1Gig on a single cpu |
| 20:05.45 | peterS | Spec: well, if you reinstall your OS and apps and then restore your data from backups, I guess "recovery time" is governed by how convenient it is to install the OS and apps |
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| 20:05.49 | kombi | stouset: believe me I wouldn't do it it I didn't have to |
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| 20:05.59 | Nivea | people, what do you prefer for a server: a highly modularized kernel, or a self-compiled for that specific machine, all modules compiled in? dual-opteron (2 CPUs -> 4 cores), 16G RAM. |
| 20:06.12 | stouset | kombi: You don't need to compile for >1G on 1 CPU. |
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| 20:06.43 | Spec | "...study found that "corporate enterprises rate Windows security nearly on par with comparable Linux networks." -- how can there be such a thing as a comparable linux network to windows in terms of security? I didn't think such a thing existed... |
| 20:06.48 | peterS | Nivea: I used to compile highly customised kernels with most things built in ... but these days the debian-kernel team seems to do such a good job that I just use their kernels now |
| 20:06.48 | stew | Nivea: using a debian kernel is far easier, using one with no loadable module support is more secure |
| 20:06.54 | kombi | stouset: the standard kernel only addresses 1 gig |
| 20:06.55 | benjamindees | Nivea, processor optimized, otherwise modularity makes no difference |
| 20:07.03 | ralfWORK | Spec: why wouldn't it be? |
| 20:07.09 | Spec | peterS: debian still puts cramfs in their kernel? |
| 20:07.12 | ralfWORK | and why are you trying to start a flame? :) |
| 20:07.13 | stouset | kombi: You sure? Thought it was 4. |
| 20:07.18 | stew | benjamindees: modularity makes a security difference, not a speed difference |
| 20:07.23 | kombi | stouset: nope, just one |
| 20:07.25 | Spec | ralfWORK: i'm not, it's just this microsoft bullshit doesn't make sense |
| 20:07.29 | Estes2 | I have a question... a user complained his squirrelmail was slow. so i decided to investigate. i look at the size of his mbox file and... it doesn't exists !!! i can see it for all other users just not him. he still can see his mails (imap) and see them in squirrel mail... i tried to grep the content of a mail he has... NOTHING !! (No i don't use maildir.) Any idea ?? |
| 20:07.31 | stouset | kombi: Ok. |
| 20:07.34 | benjamindees | stew, I stand corrected |
| 20:07.39 | peterS | Spec: yes, at least as of debian 2.6.12 |
| 20:07.42 | Spec | last time I checked linux didn't have thousands of their servers crash because of a few simple kilobytes of code |
| 20:07.45 | Nivea | wowowow not so fast :D I cannot read :D |
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| 20:07.58 | kombi | Nivea: lol |
| 20:08.03 | Spec | peterS: and that's the only reason i don't use debian's default kernel |
| 20:08.13 | Nivea | kombi: shall I try how fast you can read Hungarian ? :) |
| 20:08.18 | Estes2 | Nivea, you'll get used to this, don't worry |
| 20:08.20 | Estes2 | :) |
| 20:08.21 | jvw | Estes2: what imap server do you have? |
| 20:08.24 | Estes2 | Nivea, welcome btw |
| 20:08.27 | peterS | Spec: they may have stopped more recently - because the only reason cramfs is enabled is to support 'initrd-tools', which don't work on new 2.6 kernels anyway |
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| 20:08.29 | stouset | is there any way to submit a reportbug over smtps? |
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| 20:08.37 | Nivea | Estes2 thx (my 1st time here) :) |
| 20:08.41 | kombi | Nivea: can't read that at all.. I think we just said do as ever you please |
| 20:08.43 | ralfWORK | Spec: last I checked, linux wasn't on 90% of the worlds computers |
| 20:08.46 | Estes2 | Jvw: uw-imap (/me hides) |
| 20:09.07 | jvw | Estes2: are you sure the user in question has really his inbox still? |
| 20:09.14 | jvw | Estes2: and it isn't just folders in his $HOME? |
| 20:09.18 | Spec | ralfWORK: i'm only referring to servers |
| 20:09.19 | Estes2 | jvw yes, he does :) |
| 20:09.21 | kombi | Nivea: If you have the time roll your own kernel and benchmark until tender |
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| 20:09.29 | ralfWORK | Spec: oh sorry. so am I. |
| 20:09.32 | Estes2 | jvw, no, i'm sure, i can see both |
| 20:09.34 | djp | is it possible to make a link to an entire directory using the ln command? |
| 20:09.46 | p8m | ralfWORK: windows in not in 90% of servers. |
| 20:09.46 | Spec | linux has less than 10% marketshare on servers? |
| 20:09.50 | jvw | Estes2: uw-imap is very simple, it really must be /var/mail/<user> or $HOME... there is no other place uw-imap can even store stuff |
| 20:09.52 | stew | djp: soft link (-s) yes, hard link, no |
| 20:09.52 | Spec | i don't think so.... |
| 20:09.52 | bbrazil | djp: ln -s can link directories |
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| 20:10.02 | Estes2 | djp, yes, as root, ln -sd or something like this... man ln |
| 20:10.04 | kombi | Spec: what are you smoking? |
| 20:10.10 | Gathond | djp: as long as its a symlink yes, but not a hardlink |
| 20:10.17 | kombi | Spec: what are they smoking.. |
| 20:10.19 | peterS | 'ln -s' does not care what the target is. directories work just as well as files or links or anything else |
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| 20:10.24 | Spec | kombi: ? |
| 20:10.26 | Estes2 | jvw, i check... |
| 20:10.31 | Spec | kombi: who is smoking what, and where can i get some of it? |
| 20:10.46 | Estes2 | jvw, yes, it's there |
| 20:10.49 | kombi | Spec: right here, man.. |
| 20:10.50 | bbrazil | Estes2: symlinks don't need root. directory hardlinks do |
| 20:10.52 | yoh_ | just did apt-get update and got a message on a new key 010908312D230C5F... can't find it anywhere. did ftpmaster key changed on ftp.debian.org recently (last 24h)? |
| 20:10.56 | Spec | "It takes network administrators 30 percent longer—or approximately 4 hours—to bring their Linux servers back online following a security attack, compared to a Windows server. " |
| 20:11.02 | zeballin3 | How do I get FreeSans and mscorfonts in testing? |
| 20:11.04 | Spec | it takes me 30 minutes to get a linux server back online.... |
| 20:11.10 | jcole | what's a good gtk2 app for managing startup services in debian/ubuntu? the one in gnome doesn't support/have all of my startup services... |
| 20:11.12 | kombi | Spec: I mean, where do you read all that? |
| 20:11.12 | abrotman | ralfWORK: Spec: kombi: 90% of the world's computers != 10% of servers |
| 20:11.13 | Estes2 | bbrazil, oh, ok, thought.... (voce esta do brasil ?) |
| 20:11.16 | ralfWORK | Spec: where are you getting these nombers? |
| 20:11.25 | ralfWORK | that is completely arbitrary |
| 20:11.33 | Spec | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/facts/analyses/yankeetcoupdate2.mspx |
| 20:11.34 | ralfWORK | abrotman: I'm well aware of this |
| 20:11.37 | Nivea | oookay, so kernel should be opteron-optimized smp-type. alright. what else ? the machine itself would sit behind a Zorp firewall.. I think I compile everything in, the config won't change anyway, right? ;) (for 2 yrs at least not).. |
| 20:11.38 | peterS | Spec: guess it depends on what apps you have installed, how much they are customised, and whether your backup strategy also restores all your config files properly |
| 20:11.47 | jvw | yoh_: /topic |
| 20:11.48 | abrotman | peterS: and how smart you are :) |
| 20:11.49 | Spec | abrotman: exactly |
| 20:12.00 | jvw | Estes2: so, what's the problem now then? |
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| 20:12.00 | ralfWORK | I'll also point out that running apache != linux |
| 20:12.14 | djp | cheers all |
| 20:12.16 | ralfWORK | what kind of linux "server" |
| 20:12.18 | Spec | peterS: put everything on a backed up, really redundant huge SAN, and the servers are only <450 megs, which can be backed up via mondo/mindi |
| 20:12.18 | Estes2 | jvw, Well, those files i see over there are old... |
| 20:12.27 | yoh_ | jvm: you wouldn't believe but I have glanced over it... probabli capitals slipped through :) THANX |
| 20:12.28 | kombi | spec abrotman: Marketing.. |
| 20:12.30 | Estes2 | jvw, can't be this realisticaly |
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| 20:12.40 | benjamindees | obviously microsoft is now touting the fact that their products are designed to fail... |
| 20:12.51 | Estes2 | hum |
| 20:12.56 | Estes2 | lemme grep into this... |
| 20:13.07 | Estes2 | hum |
| 20:13.10 | Estes2 | yes, it's this |
| 20:13.12 | Spec | www.microsoft.com/getthefacts is really a fun read, seriously. |
| 20:13.27 | Spec | it's kinda wrong a lot though....maybe there's a lot more retarded linux admin's out there than i'm aware of |
| 20:13.41 | benjamindees | "our SUVs recover 40% faster from catastrophic tire failure" |
| 20:13.48 | kombi | Spec: Marketing means lying, many times.. |
| 20:13.49 | peterS | benjamindees: one interesting consequence of the unreliability of Windows PCs is that their client SMB software is very fault-tolerant - if the file server disappears for an ... unplanned outage ... when it returns the client reconnects and generally doesn't even blink |
| 20:13.49 | Estes2 | so what happened, before everything was in $HOME and now there ? and maybe divided in parts ? |
| 20:14.05 | jcole | Spec: they used suse for the "fact page" i read |
| 20:14.16 | benjamindees | peterS, tell me about it, NFS is a pita for that |
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| 20:14.32 | Spec | the overall security of windows and linux are now deemed -comparable- |
| 20:14.43 | kombi | Spec: They spent $$$ on fencing off the threat |
| 20:14.47 | pureone | hahaha |
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| 20:14.58 | ralfWORK | ignorant admins will always create insecure systems |
| 20:15.01 | csch | stew: I did what you said but I cant connect |
| 20:15.09 | benjamindees | more like they reproduce really really quickly... |
| 20:15.20 | Nivea | ralfWORK: the more paranoid, the better? :))) |
| 20:15.21 | ralfWORK | so are you objecting to windows itself, or are you talking about how admins set up windows? |
| 20:15.27 | ralfWORK | Nivea: without a doubt |
| 20:15.33 | Spec | good question |
| 20:15.38 | Spec | but mainly is about linux |
| 20:15.41 | kombi | Spec: It is the bush administration aproach, keep repeating false information until it becomes true, even if still false |
| 20:15.47 | Spec | and why linux isn't being considered superior in terms of security |
| 20:15.50 | pureone | microsoft are slacking with this wmf patch |
| 20:16.00 | ralfWORK | I know plenty of people who can (and do) setup linux systems as less secure than windows systems |
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| 20:16.01 | pureone | it will be out next week tuesday... |
| 20:16.01 | Spec | an idiot can set up linux and it'll be a -whole- bunch more secure than an expert setting up a windows server |
| 20:16.13 | ralfWORK | how many MS admins actually follow MS's recommended best practices? |
| 20:16.17 | stouset | Spec: Bullshit. |
| 20:16.20 | Nivea | ralfWORK: http://www.grsecurity.org/ - ever seen, tried ? (:think:) |
| 20:16.22 | ralfWORK | if they don't follow them, is that MS Windows fault? |
| 20:16.28 | Spec | i know it's possible to set up an insecure linux system, i'm not saying it's not... |
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| 20:16.35 | kombi | try setting up exchange and you are healed for lifetime |
| 20:16.38 | Spec | but if you don't touch anything, most default linux installs are pretty secure |
| 20:16.40 | ralfWORK | Spec: but many people do exactly that |
| 20:16.43 | ralfWORK | Spec: bullshit |
| 20:16.51 | ralfWORK | debian installs with damn PORTMAP open |
| 20:16.53 | ralfWORK | gimmie a break |
| 20:16.57 | Spec | firewall? |
| 20:16.58 | ralfWORK | and inetd running |
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| 20:17.05 | stouset | Spec: No, it's goddamn easy to install an insecure Linux system. |
| 20:17.07 | ralfWORK | first thing I do on any debian install is remove that crap |
| 20:17.12 | rsvp | hi, is there a i686 port of debian? |
| 20:17.13 | ralfWORK | so try again |
| 20:17.15 | linuxfreck | Nivea: why do you want to run debian on sun hardware anyway? |
| 20:17.18 | pureone | yeah why does debian netinstall install portmap? |
| 20:17.25 | peterS | linuxfreck: what would you run on sun hardware? |
| 20:17.31 | stouset | Spec: Hm, root password. What will be easy to remember? Oh, "root"! |
| 20:17.34 | Spec | hahaha |
| 20:17.35 | peterS | linuxfreck: debian is certainly what I'd want on there |
| 20:17.36 | benjamindees | rsvp, not a port, but an i686 kernel in the i386 port |
| 20:17.43 | Spec | i'd run linux on a sun box |
| 20:17.49 | linuxfreck | peterS: solaris |
| 20:17.50 | Spec | i ran gentoo on a sun box once, that took a while |
| 20:17.50 | Nivea | linuxfreck: because I don't want to re-learn a new system. I don't have the time for it. And not at last, I LOVE Debian. Sry. |
| 20:17.53 | stouset | Spec: Then all that's left to do is install openssh. |
| 20:17.53 | kombi | ralfwork: just out of couriosity: what do you thow out? I usually kick portmap, nfs.. |
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| 20:18.01 | madradrone | ralfWORK: i actually had to write a shell script to kill the portmap process - it was running even after i shut it off its rc script |
| 20:18.06 | rsvp | benjamindees, what about other binaries? should not they be produced for i686 as well? |
| 20:18.25 | stouset | pureone: I think it used to install portmap as a dependency for nfs. But it doesn't install nfs any more... :\ |
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| 20:18.42 | madradrone | rsvp: no but you can install 686 specific kernel and libc6 |
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| 20:18.53 | peterS | stouset: portmap is still required for any other ONC RPC applications. a common one to have installed is famd, which is used by things like gnome nautilus |
| 20:19.08 | benjamindees | rsvp, there is an optimized libc as well, but otherwise only a few other packages would benefit |
| 20:19.13 | pureone | the only ports i want to see open after a fresh install is 68 for pump and ssh... |
| 20:19.13 | kombi | peters. that is for desktops |
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| 20:19.43 | linuxfreck | Nivea: what do you do if you need support? do you have a support contract? |
| 20:19.51 | Estes2 | jvw, ok, i found, it's just /var/mail is not synchronised with the other node on the one i had a look at. now i got it.... thanks :) |
| 20:20.07 | Nivea | linuxfreck: yes, irc.debian.org #debian :))))) (of course a lot of forums..) |
| 20:20.11 | stouset | rsvp: If you really care all that much, install Gentoo. The reality though is that there's virtually no performance benefit at all. I'm pretty sure everything is compiled as --mcpu 586, which puts in pentium-specific optimizations, but will still run on older hardware. |
| 20:20.22 | rsvp | benjamindees, madradrone should I go after i686 optimization? Should I care for the difference. This is a home workstation running on amd 2500+ |
| 20:20.30 | stouset | peterS: Yeah. GNOME just dropped fam for gamin, which doesn't use portmap iirc. |
| 20:20.39 | peterS | stouset: that's good to know |
| 20:20.52 | kombi | it sometimes worries me that now everyone is using debian.. |
| 20:20.59 | peterS | rsvp: lots of things will affect your performance more than specific compile options |
| 20:21.00 | stouset | peterS: Yeah, no portmap. |
| 20:21.03 | zeballin3 | How do I upgrade from etch to sid? |
| 20:21.04 | benjamindees | rsvp, just the kernel, but twaking x drivers will probably help more |
| 20:21.11 | peterS | stouset: right, since that's all a lot of people needed portmap for |
| 20:21.12 | linuxfreck | kombi: everyone does? |
| 20:21.14 | benjamindees | rsvp, s/tweaking/twaking |
| 20:21.15 | Nivea | ralfWORK: you seem to be pretty paranoid for me. May we go private ? |
| 20:21.25 | madradrone | rsvp: install libc6-686 |
| 20:21.34 | stouset | peterS: And it doesn't require a daemon running as root either, it's a daemon run at user login. |
| 20:21.44 | streuner | kombi: heh, debian is a good thing, no need to worry about ;-) |
| 20:21.45 | madradrone | rsvp: and a k6 (or is it k7?) kernel |
| 20:21.51 | ralfWORK | kombi: I shut off everything but SSH |
| 20:22.00 | rsvp | madradrone, k7 |
| 20:22.04 | rsvp | ok guys thanks a lot! |
| 20:22.05 | peterS | stouset: I'm not sure why this should be done by a daemon anyway, you'd think nautilus could make the *notify syscalls itself |
| 20:22.18 | madradrone | rsvp: also if it is smp then use an smp k7 kernel |
| 20:22.21 | ralfWORK | linux is "secure" but debian doesn't even have a way to start a firewall out of the box |
| 20:22.32 | peterS | stouset: it strikes me as a thing for a library to handle, not a separate daemon |
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| 20:22.36 | streuner | zeballin3: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:22.41 | stouset | peterS: eh, it's a layer of abstraction. Having something run externally keeps a lot of the complexity hidden away, I suppose. |
| 20:22.42 | Nivea | I write my firewall on my own anyway .. |
| 20:22.58 | ralfWORK | Nivea: I do too, but that's not the point |
| 20:23.04 | Nivea | yepp I understand. |
| 20:23.09 | ralfWORK | "windows is soooooooo insecure, linux is bulletproof" is the point |
| 20:23.09 | peterS | stouset: same if you just throw the code into a library, though, really. the app developer never peeks inside the library |
| 20:23.10 | stouset | Nivea: I modify kernel registers directly to thwart attackers. |
| 20:23.28 | kombi | is there iptables as a package to install with apt-get? |
| 20:23.28 | streuner | Nivea: yeah, why does somebody want use the intelligence of others... |
| 20:23.43 | Nivea | stouset: that's far beyond my knowledge.. I wish I could do such freaky things :) |
| 20:23.43 | stouset | peterS: Yeah. I'm sure they did it for a decent reason. Probably was easier to rewrite a non-crappy subset of FAM with the same interface than it was to library-ize it. |
| 20:23.45 | SlayerXP | errm, what does a firewall have to do with security? |
| 20:23.52 | streuner | kombi: /msg dpkg info iptables |
| 20:23.54 | ralfWORK | kombi: I believe iptables is there on a base install |
| 20:24.01 | stouset | SlayerXP: Access control. |
| 20:24.14 | SlayerXP | stouset: guess again. |
| 20:24.19 | stouset | SlayerXP: Access control. |
| 20:24.22 | Nivea | lol |
| 20:24.25 | peterS | stouset: could be. I probably don't understand all the issues. I think the reason fam is system-wide is to lighten the load on the kernel to handle notifications - different apps that want to know the same things only have to ask the kernel once |
| 20:24.26 | SlayerXP | is there an echo? |
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| 20:24.35 | paulswm | an echo? |
| 20:24.41 | stouset | You asked me to guess again. So I offered the same guess. |
| 20:24.42 | peterS | echo? |
| 20:24.47 | paulswm | echo? |
| 20:24.47 | stouset | ho? |
| 20:24.51 | streuner | SlayerXP: is there an echo? |
| 20:24.57 | SlayerXP | streuner: seems so |
| 20:25.02 | stouset | !echo |
| 20:25.02 | dpkg | ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o....... |
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| 20:25.04 | peterS | eems so |
| 20:25.05 | streuner | hehe :-) |
| 20:25.09 | paulswm | quadruplex :P |
| 20:25.12 | Nivea | (I maximized my irc client. Haven't done it for years. :)))) ) |
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| 20:25.33 | SlayerXP | people seem to think that security is some sort of magic dust that you sprinkle over a computer system |
| 20:25.34 | kombi | ralfWork: I just wonder what a debian default config looks like in iptables |
| 20:25.37 | stouset | peterS: Yeah. I always wondered, though, why there wasn't an API in the kernel for doing such things; seems pretty basic. Then again, maybe there is and that's what FAM abstracts away :) |
| 20:25.43 | SlayerXP | "I have a firewall, I must be secure!" |
| 20:25.52 | streuner | Nivea: that's the good thing in irssi, you concentrate yourself to IRC not to pr0n ;-) |
| 20:25.55 | peterS | stouset: there is not an API in the kernel for this. there are, in fact, *two* APIs in the kernel for this. (: |
| 20:25.59 | stouset | SlayerXP: It's a layered system. Firewalls provide access control, at a different granularity than, say, passwords. |
| 20:26.02 | peterS | stouset: the second is pretty new - like kernel 2.6.13 or something |
| 20:26.04 | linuxfreck | Nivea: I wonder now what you are going to run on your server? |
| 20:26.08 | stouset | peterS: Neat. |
| 20:26.09 | kombi | SlayerXP: at least a little more then without one |
| 20:26.20 | peterS | stouset: one's called dnotify, that's the older one, the newer and better one is inotify |
| 20:26.31 | stouset | peterS: Are they finally putting in a way to get notified if *any* file changes? In a way that wouldn't require having a list of every file in the system stored in memory? :) |
| 20:26.38 | stouset | peterS: For something like a realtime tripwire. |
| 20:26.57 | S4nD3r | how do I solve problems with broken packages ????? |
| 20:27.04 | common | stouset: clamuko kernel module |
| 20:27.05 | Nivea | streuner: I have to disappoint you, it's an XP machine and a conventional mirc :) a real mirc :) winamp, winamp display, etc. I only use linux on servers, not at my desktop. But on my monitoring PC I use Debian, too. That's because of my girlfriend, nothing else. :/ :) |
| 20:27.11 | S4nD3r | Its impossible to install something, I dont know what is broked |
| 20:27.13 | stouset | S4nD3r: Many ways. Depends on what's broken. |
| 20:27.28 | peterS | stouset: I don't think so, I think you still have to go per-directory |
| 20:27.35 | stouset | common: Really? |
| 20:27.44 | kombi | S4nd3r: explain "impossible" |
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| 20:27.52 | ppq | hi all |
| 20:27.59 | streuner | Nivea: you wanna say you use Linux, because you want control your gf? |
| 20:27.59 | SlayerXP | kombi: actually they're worse, so few people understand computer security that having a firewall and believing you are safer is _worse_ than not having a firewall and _knowing_ that you're not. |
| 20:28.03 | stouset | S4nD3r: Give us a command you've run, and tell us how it failed. |
| 20:28.06 | S4nD3r | I dont know which package is broken |
| 20:28.10 | paulswm | Security is a relative thing, it is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big |
| 20:28.10 | paulswm | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.24 | Nivea | streuner: my failure sorry :D No, of course not :))) I'm using my XP machine right now. :))) |
| 20:28.27 | websdale | Hello,everyone - When I log in to Gnome I've started getting a dialog saying its detected another panel & will exit - is this caused by a leftover lockfile or what? |
| 20:28.34 | Nivea | ant THAT's because of her :) |
| 20:28.38 | kombi | SlayerXP: point taken, what do you have in mind though? |
| 20:28.40 | websdale | And if it is where is it? |
| 20:28.45 | stouset | SlayerXP: So is people not valuing the contributions made by individual layers of security, like, say, a firewall. |
| 20:29.00 | SlayerXP | kombi: education. |
| 20:29.05 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.06 | kombi | S4nD3r: phrase it so we can understand |
| 20:29.13 | SlayerXP | stouset: a badly configured firewall is worse than no firewall at all. |
| 20:29.31 | SlayerXP | illusions are a bad thing when it comes to onfirmation security |
| 20:29.34 | paulswm | Indeed, for it affords the illusion of protection |
| 20:29.36 | stouset | SlayerXP: Right, and a Pinto is worse than no car at all! |
| 20:30.06 | ralfWORK | kombi: out of the box, debian does not setup any iptables rules whatsoever |
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| 20:30.13 | kombi | SlayerXP: well, open ports and daemons listening on them are quite bad I would say |
| 20:30.20 | SlayerXP | stouset: let me ask you a hypotheical question. you want to send an email to your friend across the street, but you want to contents to be secure. what do you do? |
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| 20:30.23 | Nivea | stouset, SlayerXP: I can just admit the same. When I wrote my first fw script years ago, omg :D |
| 20:30.38 | SlayerXP | want the contents, I mean. |
| 20:30.41 | streuner | ralfWORK: of course not, imagine you setting up your server and haven't an access then ;-) |
| 20:30.44 | stouset | paulswm: I'd debate that. Uneducated users feel like they're secure regardless. If you give them antivirus, they don't think they're "more secure". It's a 1 or 0, which is always at 1. |
| 20:30.48 | kombi | ralfWORK: so no nicely maintained rules file.. would have been nice though |
| 20:31.12 | kombi | SlayerXP: you print it and take it over there |
| 20:31.14 | S4nD3r | to install openoffice.org 2 |
| 20:31.16 | stouset | paulswm: Users don't make different decisions because "I have a firewall, and thus am invincible!" They'll make the same decision regardless. |
| 20:31.22 | ralfWORK | streuner: but we want MS to have a firewall on their OS's right? |
| 20:31.22 | S4nD3r | I may use backports?? |
| 20:31.30 | ralfWORK | we want them to come out of the box secure, right? |
| 20:31.34 | SlayerXP | kombi: 8/10, nice try. |
| 20:31.39 | stouset | SlayerXP: I walk over to his house and tell him. |
| 20:31.41 | ralfWORK | that's the OS's job, not the admins job, right? |
| 20:31.50 | SlayerXP | stouset: you got the right answer, with help from kimbo |
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| 20:31.55 | S4nD3r | to install openoffice.org 2, I may use backports??? Thats is ok ?? |
| 20:31.58 | SlayerXP | err kombi |
| 20:31.59 | streuner | ralfWORK: well, even on windows this firewall is setup by default... |
| 20:32.08 | streuner | ralfWORK: AFAIK |
| 20:32.09 | stouset | SlayerXP: I hadn't read kombi's message. Didn't have my name, so wasn't highlighted. |
| 20:32.14 | paulswm | stouset: I mean that a misconfigured firewall will give the illusion of security without any actual security, which is what SlayerXP also meant, I'm sure, like having a Volvo with all safety features invisibly disabled, not the best analogy I know |
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| 20:32.28 | streuner | ralfWORK: (its fool-proofed) |
| 20:32.28 | bpowell | S4nD3r: yes use backports.org if it is there |
| 20:32.29 | kombi | S4nD3r: everything is ok but why would you have to? |
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| 20:32.45 | S4nD3r | because I want to use openoffice 2 |
| 20:32.54 | Nivea | kombi: that's beautiful in debian. It won't think instead of you. You net-install a base system and build up everything doing your best - That's how you learn an opsys really deeply. After a kind of level, you begin to freak sg here, sg there.. ;) That's the most beautiful thing in the world. After girls, of course :) |
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| 20:33.11 | stouset | paulswm: Which is important if you're running a corporate network where you have people who care about security, and you're trying to thwart users from hurting themselves and your network. But it's irrelevant when you're talking about individual users; they don't typically thwart themselves. |
| 20:33.33 | S4nD3r | because I want to use openoffice 2 kombi bpowell |
| 20:33.42 | kombi | Nivea: I agree on the girls bit.. |
| 20:33.46 | stouset | paulswm: At which point *any* protection helps. |
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| 20:33.47 | S4nD3r | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org sarge-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
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| 20:33.55 | SlayerXP | S4nD3r: /topic |
| 20:34.06 | stouset | ! tell S4nD3r about 2006 key |
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| 20:34.13 | ralfWORK | I'm just suggesting that security is a double standard |
| 20:34.17 | falkon | I have not found one single decent tutorial to standardize printing in Debian to a windows network printer. Does anyone know how to do this so printing in firefox, acroread, and GIMP will work and not just Openoffice? |
| 20:34.35 | kombi | SlayerXP: security becomes a statistical issue after a short while of thinking |
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| 20:34.38 | stouset | falkon: If you're running GNOME, it will work automagically. |
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| 20:34.54 | falkon | stouset: well GNOME sucks, so I'm not running it |
| 20:35.04 | stouset | falkon: And yet, it provides you with what you need :) |
| 20:35.20 | falkon | I just want lpd or whatever to see this printer that's in cups |
| 20:35.21 | stouset | falkon: Install cupsys, avahi, and gnome-cups-manager, or somesuch. |
| 20:35.35 | kombi | SlayerXP: just ran rkhunter while saying that.. |
| 20:35.37 | SlayerXP | kombi: security is a compromise. it's not about denying access, it's about granting it in a rigourosly audited manner. |
| 20:35.43 | Nivea | kombi: if somebody isn't capable of learning a fortress' plan alone, how should he protect his country well, or be the commander of it ? :) I hated SuSe because of that much automation.. It's like my mom's Fiat Stilo. It turns on radio when I start the engine. Cannot get rid of it. Kinda omfg. |
| 20:35.50 | sifi-x | why do I get "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server, Xlib: No protocol specified" when I run "xmms /tmp/radio.pls" as a regular user? |
| 20:35.55 | S4nD3r | stouset, run all once ?? |
| 20:35.57 | stouset | SlayerXP: Even the giving the message to a friend directly isn't all that good an idea. You "feel" secure, but if you've printed it, someone could see. Like his wife. If you tell it to him directly, you run the risk of the house being bugged. Maybe he's a suspected terrorist. |
| 20:36.02 | stouset | S4nD3r: Copy/paste. |
| 20:36.11 | S4nD3r | Ok.. |
| 20:36.12 | S4nD3r | I did |
| 20:36.17 | kombi | Nivea: bust the radio, easy..;) |
| 20:36.18 | streuner | Nivea: haha |
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| 20:36.25 | sifi-x | falkon, agree, GNOME SUCKS |
| 20:36.31 | S4nD3r | what to do now ? |
| 20:36.39 | falkon | the big ones always suck |
| 20:36.39 | stouset | !start a de war |
| 20:36.44 | Spec | stouset: encryption + paper = win |
| 20:36.50 | falkon | KDE sucks hard, Gnome sucks, Enlightenment sucks |
| 20:36.54 | SlayerXP | stouset: you seem to grasp my point, so I don't get your arguments in favour of "default" firewalls. you _know_ they are worthless. |
| 20:37.00 | common | falkon: you mum too |
| 20:37.06 | wwallace_lap | !mplayer |
| 20:37.06 | dpkg | well, mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 20:37.09 | falkon | common: you know it. |
| 20:37.11 | kombi | Nivea: I agree that too much pre-configuration is bad, a well written localrules file wouldn't harm though |
| 20:37.11 | p8m | ionwm rules |
| 20:37.16 | stouset | Spec: Well, I used to do AES and twofish in my head, but I'm worried that someone might have implanted a microbe... |
| 20:37.25 | S4nD3r | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org sarge-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 20:37.31 | S4nD3r | Keep the error |
| 20:37.34 | Spec | debian's kernel just shouldn't have tcp/ip stuff built in...then it'd be pretty damned secure. |
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| 20:37.38 | kombi | Nivea: btw, drove a Fiat myself, after selling that Lada.. |
| 20:37.51 | p8m | stouset: use a one time pad. They are practical for paper and pen use. |
| 20:37.54 | stouset | S4nD3r: Oh. What port are you using? |
| 20:38.01 | Spec | yeah |
| 20:38.02 | SerajewelKS | stouset: note he's using the backports.org site |
| 20:38.05 | Spec | or pontifex |
| 20:38.07 | SerajewelKS | stouset: probably a different key |
| 20:38.10 | falkon | sooooo, that doesn't help the problem. I need to configure printers somehow so Debian sees my network printer as THE PRINTER and lpr, lpd whatever sees it |
| 20:38.11 | stouset | p8m: Then where will I store the pad securely? |
| 20:38.15 | falkon | there are NO WORKING TUTORIALS out there for this |
| 20:38.16 | stouset | SerajewelKS: Aye, was just realizing that. |
| 20:38.19 | Spec | stouset: in your brain. |
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| 20:38.33 | bpowell | S4nD3r: yes you have to import the backports.org key |
| 20:38.34 | stouset | falkon: Because to many people, it's a solved problem. |
| 20:38.41 | gmcinnes | does anyone konw anything about mkinitrd and root on lvm2? It tells me my kernel doesn't have lvm support, but it does. There's no lvm modules in my /lib/modules, but that's because its complied in the kernel. |
| 20:38.44 | SerajewelKS | S4nD3r: check the backports.org site for information. they'll probably have a news item on the front page or something. |
| 20:38.48 | stouset | Spec: I've already complained about potential microbes having been inserted. |
| 20:38.50 | p8m | stouset: on the web, duh |
| 20:38.57 | falkon | stouset: how is it a solved problem if it isn't solved? |
| 20:39.01 | p8m | lol |
| 20:39.02 | stouset | p8m: Right. Where communists can find it. |
| 20:39.04 | Spec | stouset: in that case, you're screwed either way. |
| 20:39.11 | Spec | no seekret information for you |
| 20:39.34 | stouset | Spec: Crap, you're right. I just thought of it, so it's already compromised :( "Oh god, they must have heard me! Oh god, I can hear me! Bah na nah na na na nat naaah." |
| 20:39.49 | Spec | but yeah...so, all computers are now considered insecure: van eck phreaking? :p |
| 20:39.57 | stouset | falkon: just because you haven't solved it doesn't mean others haven't :) |
| 20:39.57 | shevek | I've just updated my sid system (the X server was one of the things which got updated), and now it hangs a second every time the focus changes to or from the root window (I have focus strictly under mouse). Is that a known problem, and is there a solution? |
| 20:40.00 | Nivea | kombi: localrules? iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport -i eth0 -s x.x.x.x -j ACCEPT, iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT (same for OUTPUT with NEW), iptables -P INPUT DROP and same for OUTPUT. These are those famous local rules. If you put your server LIVE ONLINE, you MUST have been your REAL firewall rules already set up correctly, not just some junk basic rules. ;) |
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| 20:40.14 | Spec | omg iptables scares me go to #iptables |
| 20:40.17 | falkon | stouset: well, it's not totally obvious, so why aren't there tutorials? |
| 20:40.49 | stouset | falkon: "apt-get install gnome" would be a pretty short tutorial. |
| 20:40.57 | falkon | stouset: can you put me in touch with one of these people? Cups works great... in Openoffice, but how the fuck does that fix the fact that every other god damn program uses lpr? |
| 20:41.01 | Spec | each linux server doesn't need to have it's own firewall if they're all behind a firewall such as smoothwall or monowall or ipcop, right? |
| 20:41.22 | peterS | Spec: depends on what your perceived security threats are |
| 20:41.29 | Nivea | Spec: right. Although I still make simpler rules for them, for each. |
| 20:41.33 | stouset | Spec: Depends on the level of security you want. |
| 20:41.37 | peterS | Spec: if you don't know what you're protecting against, it's hard to say why you'd want a firewall *at all*. |
| 20:41.37 | kombi | Nivea: I know.. I'll try out debian iptables sometime |
| 20:41.37 | Spec | i'm not entirely scared about the internal network attacking itself :p |
| 20:42.12 | Spec | although, the bits are gettin' kinda uppity |
| 20:42.26 | peterS | Spec: the thing is, a firewall running on your same box implies that you don't trust the applications already installed on the same box. and if that's so, why are you running those applications? |
| 20:42.32 | stouset | falkon: install cupsys-bsd. |
| 20:42.34 | Nivea | Spec: one computer gets a virus.. a worm.. ;) hmm ? :) |
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| 20:42.44 | stouset | falkon: It installs an lpr-replacement that interfaces with cups. |
| 20:42.44 | peterS | Spec: for example, if your "personal firewall" blocks attempts from outside to use your mail server, why are you running a mail server? |
| 20:43.06 | falkon | stouset: holy dog shit, an answer I can use :P |
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| 20:43.08 | Spec | hehe |
| 20:43.14 | ralfWORK | it could be argued that certain services are not written to bind themselves to specific interfaces |
| 20:43.19 | ralfWORK | i.e. like lo |
| 20:43.20 | Nivea | kombi: it's not easy to learn, but the "fun" begins with packet altering ;) you'll enjoy it, really. |
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| 20:43.27 | ralfWORK | I've had that happen before |
| 20:43.30 | ralfWORK | was it lame? yes |
| 20:43.42 | remi_ | hi. i can connect to freenode from a pc that is directly connected to the internet (Dsl), but i can't if i'm connected behind a Nat router (iptables + masquerading). Is this normal ? ( i have to say that some irc servers works OK, with this very same configuration...) |
| 20:43.43 | Spec | peterS: so why does windows ship with a firewall? |
| 20:43.44 | kombi | Nivea: what happened to that fiat anyway? |
| 20:43.45 | stouset | peterS: There's situations where a program listens on the network, and you want it to listen only on localhost, but it has no config option for it. |
| 20:43.52 | falkon | stouset: thanks a ton, lpr crap is getting removed now |
| 20:43.58 | stouset | falkon: Yeah, I misunderstood your problem. Thought you wanted printer autodiscovery :P |
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| 20:44.13 | peterS | Spec: because in a closed-source world, you *can't* trust the apps you have installed. one of them might try to phone home or whatever |
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| 20:44.21 | Nivea | kombi: factory default. Nothing. :))) It always enables radio at ignition. |
| 20:44.26 | peterS | Spec: it's also a bit of snake oil - "firewalls make you more secure" |
| 20:44.26 | Spec | ah, good point |
| 20:44.31 | falkon | stouset: no, no, no, I want to be able to print with all the programs that are trying to use lpr |
| 20:44.38 | Spec | snake oil? |
| 20:44.44 | eleftherios | what's the utility to configure sound? (I keep forgeting) |
| 20:44.48 | Spec | alsamixer? |
| 20:44.50 | Spec | aumix? |
| 20:44.54 | stouset | peterS: Also, blocking outbound traffic except on expected ports can be a good idea. Once saw a box get cracked with ish, which lets you have a sh connection over icmp. :) |
| 20:44.58 | eleftherios | Spec, no the linux soundbase one |
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| 20:45.06 | peterS | Spec: my thing is, if I've got certain ports open on my box, I must have them open for a reason, or I'd uninstall the app that is listening on them. therefore, blocking open ports is counterproductive - the only ports I have open are the ones I want open |
| 20:45.08 | stouset | falkon: Okay, well, apt-get install cupsys-bsd would also be a short tutorial :) |
| 20:45.08 | eleftherios | linux sound something.... |
| 20:45.09 | paulswm | Spec: snake oil == a useless "cure" |
| 20:45.13 | Spec | eleftherios: alsaconfig? |
| 20:45.15 | peterS | Spec: this only applies if you *can* trust all the software you have installed (: |
| 20:45.19 | falkon | stouset: I'm on it |
| 20:45.20 | eleftherios | Spec, no, not the alsa one |
| 20:45.33 | Spec | peterS: indeed |
| 20:45.42 | kombi | Nivea: I have used iptables for a long time, just never the debian package.. Connect the radios powersupply to line not interupted by the ignition, don't forget to switch it off then.. |
| 20:45.50 | Spec | eleftherios: sorry, can't think of any other sound config thingies :p |
| 20:45.58 | stouset | peterS: Don't forget, filtering can be done on outbound traffic, too, in case a box is compromised. |
| 20:46.13 | falkon | stouset: err do you remember what port the HTTP admin for CUPS is on? |
| 20:46.17 | Spec | peterS: well, you might wanna block ICMP? |
| 20:46.26 | peterS | Spec: blocking ICMP is sick and wrong |
| 20:46.27 | eleftherios | Spec, there's this utility that lets you choose between alsa and the other |
| 20:46.30 | |V\oNK | hello is ther ea .deb for mythtv? im hoping i can apt-get it.. any luck? |
| 20:46.31 | Spec | peterS: why? |
| 20:46.34 | peterS | stouset: I don't see how you can tell legitimate outbound traffic from illegitimate outbound traffic |
| 20:46.38 | Nivea | Spec, peterS: I think a firewall isn't really enough for security.. talking about programs behind open ports. what about jails? ;) |
| 20:46.39 | peterS | Spec: it breaks the internet |
| 20:46.53 | peterS | Nivea: jails make more sense than firewalls |
| 20:46.56 | Spec | peterS: an IDS type thing? |
| 20:47.00 | stouset | peterS: I mount /usr and /boot ro out of habit. Saved my skin once, when a rootkit through a php4 0-day exploit tried to install itself, but couldn't modify things in /usr and /boot, so we were able to find and clean it. |
| 20:47.05 | Spec | peterS: for legit/illegit traffic |
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| 20:47.11 | stouset | falkon: Er...631? |
| 20:47.32 | peterS | stouset: that's good practice too. a firewall wouldn't have helped you in that case. |
| 20:47.39 | Spec | jails as in chroot? |
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| 20:47.41 | falkon | thanks |
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| 20:47.56 | peterS | Spec: yes, or the BSD 'jail' syscall which is like chroot but also blocks some other stuff |
| 20:48.01 | kombi | stouset: that isn't such a bad idea really.. |
| 20:48.01 | stouset | peterS: Port and destination. I've got lots of boxes that will only talk on certain ports to certain machines, i.e., http to http.us.debian.org, dns to specific dns servers, and ntp to a network time server. |
| 20:48.10 | TGoC | how can i configure a cron to tar a ftp directory and save it to a specified directory? |
| 20:48.12 | Spec | i dont' mount boot |
| 20:48.19 | stouset | kombi: Not at all. It could have been easily thwarted, but this rootkit didn't think to do it. |
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| 20:48.36 | Spec | TGoC: you could write a shell script and have the cron job call the shell script |
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| 20:49.06 | TGoC | i can't write a shell script so i need 1 line that tar's a map and save's it into another map specified |
| 20:49.07 | TGoC | :) |
| 20:49.12 | eleftherios | Spec, it was dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base :-) |
| 20:49.15 | Nivea | kombi: thanks for the Fiat note.. ;))) Nice, I'll try it ! :) iptables is the same although, on every distribution. Only the version may differ, and some options therefore, but not the main ones. |
| 20:49.19 | stouset | peterS: Then, the only ways it can communicate are in response to a request from something legitimate (i.e., http for a webserver), or specific outgoing things. If I'd blocked outgoing-initiated ICMP, the rootkit would have applied, but they guy couldn't have gotten a shell and defaced our site. |
| 20:49.20 | eleftherios | Spec, that was the one I meant |
| 20:49.20 | Spec | peterS: yeah, so a good reason for a firewall would be if you run an application that binds to 0.0.0.0 and only want traffic from certain networks to access it.... |
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| 20:50.04 | Spec | eleftherios: ah, i've never done that |
| 20:50.23 | kino | I want to run a custom startup script that loads drivers for a network device |
| 20:50.28 | kino | where do I put the symlink? |
| 20:50.28 | Spec | so blocking ICMP breaks the webernet? |
| 20:50.41 | kombi | off to beer drinking, cheers! |
| 20:50.43 | stouset | kino: You sure that that can't be handled by something already existing? |
| 20:50.44 | streuner | kino: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 20:51.09 | Nivea | A firewall always has a good reason. A jail too. Everything together - if not colliding - has a good reason from the point of view of a paranoid. And even then, he won't be satisfied with his system's security level. But anyway, those are really hard to hack I think. |
| 20:51.10 | stouset | kino: udev, interfaces, or /etc/modules... |
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| 20:51.27 | streuner | kino: and read zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 20:51.28 | stouset | Nivea: Jails aren't too challenging to get out of, so I hear. |
| 20:51.39 | peterS | Spec: right, and the correct response *there* is to tell the app itself to only listen on certain IP addresses. if the app can't be so configured, a firewall might be a reasonable workaround until this can be fixed |
| 20:51.39 | SimonRaven | most secure box is one that's turned off |
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| 20:52.08 | SimonRaven | # pivot_root() |
| 20:52.15 | stouset | Nivea: It's all about relative security. The value of your data's integrity/confidentiality compared with the invasiveness of a security measure, compared with the amount of additional security it offers you. |
| 20:52.16 | Nivea | stouset yeah I hear the same. but anyway, it takes time to break out. aaand time works for you - if you there of course :))) |
| 20:52.20 | SimonRaven | and that's just one |
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| 20:52.36 | stouset | SimonRaven: Even a box that's turned off can have it's drives removed :) |
| 20:53.01 | Nivea | + 're :) |
| 20:53.08 | stouset | SimonRaven: Most secure box is one where all physical storage has holes drilled through it, then encase the thing in a brick of cement and drop it into the pacific. |
| 20:53.10 | SimonRaven | but then what's the point? the person doing that is more likely to be the owner ;) |
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| 20:53.23 | stouset | SimonRaven: Even that, I'm not so sure. |
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| 20:53.31 | buu_ | Ok. Having problems with screen. At home I have a putty window connected to a box via ssh. In that putty session I attached to a running screen. Now I think I accidentally hit c-a s or some such to "Freeze" the screen. However now I'm not at home and I'm trying to reconnect to the screen. I've tried various forms of screen -R -D and such, but they just "hang" after I hit enter. At the moment I'm trying to use -X to send "C-a Q" to the screen sess |
| 20:53.34 | SimonRaven | uh hunh. unless you have diving gear ;) |
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| 20:53.38 | buu_ | Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 20:54.01 | stouset | SimonRaven: Yeah, good luck diving down to where light doesn't even penetrate :P |
| 20:54.09 | SlayerXP | stouset: i used to work for a company that hosted secure servers. we had a hard disk return policy whereby when one failed, the platter would be ground to dust, bagged, and sent back with the disk chassis |
| 20:54.21 | SlayerXP | platterS |
| 20:54.25 | SimonRaven | i didn't mention what *kind* of diving gear ;) |
| 20:54.25 | stouset | Then good luck getting data off of a hard drive exposed to the nastiest sediment filled water you can imagine, that can't spin up. |
| 20:54.31 | ralfWORK | SlayerXP: that sounds fun :) |
| 20:54.46 | Spec | tripwire is good too, for securing a system |
| 20:54.49 | Nivea | SlayerXP uhhh :))) |
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| 20:55.01 | Spec | that way when someone tries to sneak into your server room, they'll get a slug in their chest |
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| 20:55.08 | ralfWORK | lol |
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| 20:55.18 | positron | how do i send a message to other user when i know his username and that he is logged in? i dont mean mail |
| 20:55.20 | stouset | SlayerXP: Time consuming. The drill trick works almost as well (the drive will never be able to spin up, because there'd be no way of balancing it), or, if you're really paranoid, just drop it in a vat of HCl... |
| 20:55.24 | SimonRaven | never mind the salty water, and the pressure |
| 20:55.26 | buu_ | positron: talk? |
| 20:55.31 | paulswm | positron: talk |
| 20:55.36 | positron | ok thanks |
| 20:55.39 | stouset | positron: talk |
| 20:55.49 | SimonRaven | man talk |
| 20:55.50 | buu_ | Hrm. Maybe is there some way to control the windows box remotely? |
| 20:56.03 | stouset | buu_: Yeah, the WMF exploit. |
| 20:56.06 | SimonRaven | send a worm over ;) |
| 20:56.08 | buu_ | stouset: I patched it =[ |
| 20:56.09 | SlayerXP | buu_: yes. infect it with any recent windows trojan |
| 20:56.09 | Nivea | SimonRaven what are you still talkin' about? :ÐÐÐÐÐ (lol) ;) |
| 20:56.21 | Spec | or, if you're really cool, you'd just lay a bunch of thermite on top of your harddrive... |
| 20:56.22 | buu_ | SlayerXP: It's not running anything that would automatically open an executable. |
| 20:56.23 | stouset | buu_: Give it a half hour. Something new will come up. |
| 20:56.23 | pureone | buu_, telnet on windows sucks ass :) |
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| 20:56.42 | stouset | Spec: Don't think you'd need a bunch :) |
| 20:56.56 | peterS | buu_: you can't just kill the remote screen process? (I mean the one listed as 'screen', not the server process which is 'SCREEN') you may have tried this already |
| 20:56.56 | stouset | Spec: Unless you're also trying to melt your way to the core of the Earth. |
| 20:57.08 | positron | how do i determine the admin of the server? |
| 20:57.23 | Spec | stouset: it's more fun with a bunch |
| 20:57.44 | EdLin | positron: it's always root |
| 20:57.45 | jshoenberger | mail root@localhost |
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| 20:57.58 | pureone | grep root /etc/aliases |
| 20:58.09 | Spec | so -thats- why i can't log into Administrator in debian...! |
| 20:58.11 | molinero | Somebody use Ubuntu breezy badger? |
| 20:58.15 | molinero | I need help |
| 20:58.17 | Spec | #ubuntu |
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| 20:58.20 | pureone | molinero, #ubuntu |
| 20:58.22 | Spec | this is #debian |
| 20:58.23 | Nivea | What about launching a bunch of HDDs into the sun? Yeah, they would travel in space and simply melt before they reach the sun. :))) Secure enough, isn't it? :) Chances of collision with an asteroid and therefore modifying route is extremely low, right? :) |
| 20:58.25 | molinero | ok |
| 20:58.27 | molinero | thanks |
| 20:58.30 | Spec | #debian doesn't even -rhyme- with #ubuntu :-/ |
| 20:58.38 | molinero | I'm new in linux |
| 20:58.39 | pureone | haha |
| 20:58.49 | EdLin | Spec: #gentoo does though, maybe newbies like -oo distros. |
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| 20:59.00 | Spec | hehe |
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| 20:59.13 | kino | can you use /etc/network/interfaces for WEP config? |
| 20:59.21 | paulswm | Nivea: But they may be intercepted by a foreign satellite, or even worse by aliens who may use your credit card information to order beer and pr0n |
| 20:59.26 | stouset | kino: Yes |
| 20:59.42 | stouset | kino: Bad idea, though, if you want to connect to multiple networks. |
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| 21:00.21 | stouset | kino: look into wpasupplicant |
| 21:00.26 | Spec | thermite really is the best way to destroy a harddrive |
| 21:00.31 | kino | ok |
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| 21:00.45 | jshoenberger | just buy a secur-drive |
| 21:00.48 | jshoenberger | And be done with it |
| 21:00.49 | stouset | Spec: Well, at some level they're all equal. I would argue that it's probably one of the most fun. |
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| 21:00.57 | Spec | hey, hey |
| 21:00.58 | stouset | jshoenberger: A who-wha? |
| 21:00.59 | Nivea | paulswm : you're right, they also can get out my address, land in my garden and turn to extremely beautiful girls .. and do pr0n with me, yeah .. :D |
| 21:01.00 | Spec | there's a cost factor too |
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| 21:01.19 | Spec | i know how to make thermite, i can't make something that'll exert enough force to crush a harddrive, or send it into space, and the ocean idea is sucky and boring :-p |
| 21:01.28 | paulswm | Nivea: Yeah, well if that ever happens, be sure to invite me over - I won't hold my breath :P |
| 21:01.29 | stouset | Spec: Because a re-useable drill costs waaaay more than thermite and magnesium strips to light it with :P |
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| 21:01.38 | phaedrus_ | hey hey |
| 21:01.43 | Spec | i happen to have magnesium, as well |
| 21:01.47 | jshoenberger | There's a company that sells harddrives. these harddrives have capsules of acid in them that completely destroy the drive at a signal. The signal can be a cellphone call, X seconds without power, humidity in the room, whatever. |
| 21:01.50 | Spec | O:) |
| 21:01.54 | stouset | Spec: Well, if you have a lot, go find someone's car you don't like. |
| 21:02.05 | jshoenberger | Cost you about $1k for 20gigs :D |
| 21:02.10 | Nivea | paulswm: I'll set up a VPN tunnel for you, just throw yourself over ;) |
| 21:02.15 | paulswm | Heh |
| 21:02.17 | Spec | stouset: i'm not into the going to jail thing :-/ |
| 21:02.28 | peterS | jshoenberger: for that price I just hope they're SCSI |
| 21:02.39 | stouset | Spec: Place it somewhere appropriate to your level of dislike. Slept with your girlfriend? Right over the driver seat, a hole clean through. Rooted your server? The engine block is too good for them. |
| 21:02.43 | Spec | jshoenberger: definitely cool |
| 21:02.58 | stouset | Spec: Yeah, because it's really easy to extract fingerprints from a lump of thermite :P |
| 21:03.05 | Spec | gloves! |
| 21:03.10 | Spec | wait |
| 21:03.15 | Spec | that was sarcastic, thermite kinda burns a bit :p |
| 21:03.15 | Nivea | lol |
| 21:03.39 | Spec | well, you can also use an EMP |
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| 21:03.58 | Spec | would that be sufficient to destroy the data on a HD? |
| 21:04.04 | Nivea | but protoss forces still have a shield, not only armor.. be careful :))) |
| 21:04.12 | Spec | true, true. |
| 21:04.32 | Spec | but i think thermite would go through a protoss' shield |
| 21:04.42 | stouset | Nivea: no, Protoss forces have a ton of shield but no hitpoints. You take them down with EMP and they're all pussies. |
| 21:04.44 | Spec | unless the protoss run debian. then it won't work, of course. |
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| 21:05.27 | stouset | Spec: If the protoss run Debian, you'll have steam tanks and valkyries by the time they manage to get Zealots. |
| 21:05.29 | buu_ | stouset: They still have more hp than any other unit |
| 21:05.32 | jshoenberger | power overwhelming =/ |
| 21:05.45 | buu_ | stouset: Steam tanks, eh? |
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| 21:05.58 | stouset | buu_: I think that's what they were called. I can't remember :\ |
| 21:06.01 | Nivea | stouset, a Zealot is relly hard to kill either by marines or hydralisks, I think. On the other way, 3 Arbiters, 8 carriers, 8 scouts - no withstand. ;) |
| 21:06.08 | stouset | buu_: Those crazy tank things that could plant themselves. |
| 21:06.12 | jshoenberger | THIS IS DEBIAN CHAT! |
| 21:06.13 | jshoenberger | Lol |
| 21:06.19 | Nivea | :D |
| 21:06.21 | Spec | a ghost with a nuke....guided by debian servers, oh yeah, baby! |
| 21:06.24 | jshoenberger | Seige tanks |
| 21:06.27 | Nivea | :DDDDDD |
| 21:06.40 | stouset | Spec: Mmm, ghosts. I used to hotkey up a bunch and have them all launch nukes at the same target. |
| 21:06.42 | paulswm | You could wipe a hard drive with the Sandia Z accelerator, X-ray pulse of 290 trillion watts would do the trick |
| 21:07.00 | stouset | Spec: nnn----uuuuuu-------cccclll------eeeeara----------aaarrr-----llllll---a--a---aaaunc-----hhhh |
| 21:07.03 | Spec | hahahahaha |
| 21:07.04 | stouset | Spec: etc. |
| 21:07.07 | Spec | yeah, paulswm, that'll work |
| 21:07.08 | buu_ | stouset: "siege" |
| 21:07.09 | Jinkguns | http://www.deranged.net/~jetman877/Screenshot.png | http://www.deranged.net/~jetman877/Screenshot2.png | Just wanted to thank everyone for their hard work helping me with my problems. Look at what you helped me accomplish. ;) |
| 21:07.18 | stouset | buu_: Dammit. /me thwacks himself |
| 21:07.27 | buu_ | stouset: Steam tanks are warhammer =[ |
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| 21:07.32 | buu_ | stouset: Now fix my fucking screen session |
| 21:07.42 | stouset | buu_: killall -9 screen. |
| 21:07.47 | Spec | hey, technically we never specified what 'game' we're talking about |
| 21:07.50 | buu_ | stouset: ! |
| 21:07.50 | Spec | if it's a game at all.... |
| 21:07.56 | stouset | Jinkguns: No offense, but are you colorblind? :\ |
| 21:07.57 | Nivea | I also used to aim on my drive with that nice Rapid Fire Plasma Gun, with 4 nuclear reactors behind it. :))) |
| 21:08.05 | buu_ | stouset: I want to resume it damn it. |
| 21:08.12 | Spec | nucleur? |
| 21:08.19 | stouset | buu_: Yeah. killall -9. It um, reattaches. |
| 21:08.19 | Nivea | fusion sorry :P |
| 21:08.39 | buu_ | stouset: I'm going to kill you. |
| 21:08.45 | stouset | buu_: :D |
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| 21:08.50 | buu_ | =[ |
| 21:08.51 | Spec | haha |
| 21:09.03 | neuterspay | Jinkuns: Badass. |
| 21:09.24 | Spec | so, does anyone have any non-destruction-of-harddrive problems they want help with? |
| 21:09.28 | gmcinnes | How do I create an initrd that works? |
| 21:09.28 | stouset | All those colors hurt my eyes... |
| 21:09.35 | buu_ | spec: YES |
| 21:09.39 | stouset | Spec: Yeah, how can I destroy my video card? |
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| 21:09.41 | peterS | gmcinnes: depends on your kernel release |
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| 21:09.44 | Spec | stouset: thermite. |
| 21:09.50 | stouset | gmcinnes: apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
| 21:09.50 | Spec | :p |
| 21:09.52 | stouset | Spec: motherboard? |
| 21:09.53 | Jinkguns | No. I'm not colorblind, my monitor has an odd color temperature. ;) |
| 21:09.53 | buu_ | Spec: Attach my fucking screen session =[ |
| 21:09.55 | peterS | gmcinnes: different kernels are supported by different initrd generation tools |
| 21:10.00 | Jinkguns | Thanks neuterspay |
| 21:10.04 | Lord_Athur | hi all |
| 21:10.10 | Spec | buu_: screen -x ? |
| 21:10.13 | gmcinnes | peterS: I need an initrd for 2.6.12.6 |
| 21:10.26 | Nivea | Spec and buu_ : :))) |
| 21:10.26 | Spec | stouset: oo, that's a tricky one |
| 21:10.33 | Spec | stouset: it's hard to answer....but i'd have to say thermite. |
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| 21:10.40 | peterS | gmcinnes: then I'd install 'yaird' and configure /etc/kernel-img.conf as it tells you to in the README |
| 21:10.45 | TGoC | /usr/bin/mysqldump -u backup-mysql --database verheyen > /home/backup-mysql/criminalsworld/mysql_backup_verheyen_$(date +s).sql <-- whys i $(date +s) not working :/ |
| 21:10.49 | Spec | buu: hey, what's wrong with your screen session anyways/ |
| 21:10.53 | buu_ | Spec: It just sits there |
| 21:11.01 | Spec | can you detatch? |
| 21:11.05 | gmcinnes | peterS: The initrd's I create mount, but then the kernel panics and says no init. |
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| 21:11.11 | Spec | have you considered the problems of running a screen inside a screen before? |
| 21:11.14 | peterS | gmcinnes: (really all you need is "ramdisk = /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yaird") - then run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.12-whatever' and it'll rebuild the initrd |
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| 21:11.22 | buu_ | Spec: I think I managed to hit c-a s or c-s or some such, but when I try any variation of screen -r -d, screen -r, screen -R -D, and so forth, it just sits there. |
| 21:11.32 | buu_ | Spec: As in, I type the command and it hangs. |
| 21:11.38 | Spec | try screen -x |
| 21:11.46 | Spec | i hope it just sits there, as well. |
| 21:11.48 | buu_ | The problem is, the session where I might have frozen it is at a different location, on a windows box. |
| 21:11.49 | gmcinnes | peterS: It's a custom kernel. That's why I need to build an initrd. |
| 21:11.51 | Nivea_CS | let's frag a bit ;) |
| 21:12.02 | buu_ | Spec: screen -x behaves exactly the same as far as I can tell. |
| 21:12.08 | peterS | gmcinnes: if it's a custom kernel you should just arrange to build in all the stuff you need, into the kernel, and skip the initrd entirely |
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| 21:12.24 | peterS | gmcinnes: but yaird produces better initrds than initrd-tools in my limited experience |
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| 21:12.46 | peterS | gmcinnes: the dpkg-reconfigure thing only works if you built your kernel with 'make-kpkg' and installed it as a debian package. but that's what we recommend doing in any case |
| 21:12.48 | gmcinnes | peterS: It's actually a Xen kernel and I need an initrd to bring up lvm2 support. The lvm stuff is all built in, but the userspace tools need to run before I can see the lvm2 / |
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| 21:13.01 | peterS | ah true |
| 21:13.03 | zimnyx | Hi |
| 21:13.05 | zimnyx | I need to put 400 files into one. What would be the fastest method. tar it? |
| 21:13.13 | ralfWORK | yes |
| 21:13.14 | TGoC | How can i add a timestamp into a filename inside Crontab? |
| 21:13.15 | jshoenberger | Yes |
| 21:13.15 | Seicherl | I had gnome installed on my machine, now in got kde. how can i get rid of gnome now? |
| 21:13.15 | peterS | zimnyx: probably tar, yeah |
| 21:13.20 | zimnyx | thanks. |
| 21:13.35 | stouset | Seicherl: aptitude purge gnome |
| 21:13.36 | Grambo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.42 | gmcinnes | peterS: I can mount the initrd's at the command line, and they all look fine. inits in the right place. When I try and boot off them the kernel says its not there. |
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| 21:14.09 | Seicherl | stouset: i guess after restarting using kde |
| 21:14.12 | gmcinnes | Grambo: It complains there's no lvm support in the kernel. There is. there's just no module because its compiled in. |
| 21:14.22 | Grambo | hmm |
| 21:14.22 | TGoC | How can i add a timestamp into a filename inside Crontab? |
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| 21:14.27 | j0nas | how do i get eth1 to start up after boot? |
| 21:14.33 | TGoC | j0nas ifup eth1 |
| 21:14.44 | TGoC | if it's already running and you wanna restart it |
| 21:14.46 | j0nas | on auto |
| 21:14.47 | ercin | is my connectiom b0rked or subkeys.pgp.net times out? |
| 21:14.50 | petemc | j0nas: put auto in the line for it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:14.51 | TGoC | ifdown eth1 and then ifup eth1 |
| 21:15.01 | petemc | j0nas: man interfaces |
| 21:15.03 | Spec | i would tar and then bzip2, but zimnyx already left. his lost. |
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| 21:15.22 | TGoC | How can i add a timestamp into a filename inside Crontab? |
| 21:15.30 | jshoenberger | tar.bz2 vs tar.gz discuss |
| 21:15.30 | gmcinnes | Grambo: I know the lvm2 support is there because if I use another initrd it boots no problem. But it complains and gets ugly and upset because of module mismatch etc. |
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| 21:16.00 | Spec | It turns out, the best way to -securely- delete a tar.bz2 file is to apply thermite.... |
| 21:16.02 | j0nas | petemc: i know how to conf the interfaces file but the thing is that eth1 dosent start up after reboot |
| 21:16.13 | petemc | TGoC: file-`date -your_options` |
| 21:16.29 | petemc | j0nas: well, the "auto" part means to bring it up on boot |
| 21:16.45 | exobyte | Will this line sleep for a while, then reboot (double checking) sleep 345600 && reboot & |
| 21:16.46 | j0nas | thats odd |
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| 21:17.04 | mo1991 | if I am using the hpijs driver in linux - what driver do I need to choose to get the shared printer working in windows - when I connect to the shared linux printer it asks me for a driver |
| 21:17.13 | mo1991 | printer is shared via samba |
| 21:17.26 | TGoC | wgat options are available petemc? |
| 21:17.32 | mo1991 | is there an hpijs or some type of postscript driver for windows? |
| 21:17.38 | petemc | TGoC: man date, and you use + for options, not - |
| 21:17.41 | jshoenberger | mo1991, why not just download the drivers from the HP website? |
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| 21:18.09 | mo1991 | I have the HP drivers installed locally - they only work when the printer is installed locally |
| 21:18.17 | goron | Firefox tells me that my printer doesn't support a certain paper format, while konqueror can happily print it. |
| 21:18.33 | mo1991 | they are not listed as possible drivers when connecting to the linux shared printer via samba |
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| 21:18.43 | jshoenberger | When it asks for the drivers, why don't you point to the driver file you've downloaded |
| 21:18.45 | jshoenberger | ah |
| 21:18.47 | j0nas | petemc: thanks :) i hade made a dumbass mestake |
| 21:18.49 | TGoC | not working petemc |
| 21:18.53 | TGoC | you sure its ` and `? |
| 21:18.56 | goron | Also all mozilla applications show Xprinters, and they also never work. |
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| 21:19.17 | petemc | TGoC: sure, or you can use $(date..) |
| 21:19.18 | mo1991 | jshoenberger - I do, this doesn't work. I believe because it is being shared over samba |
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| 21:19.23 | abrotman | the real "mestake" is your spelling! :) |
| 21:19.30 | goron | I don't really understand *why* Mozilla invents its own non-working printing system. |
| 21:19.34 | madradrone | mo1991: you can share it via samba |
| 21:19.38 | TGoC | explain me why both are not working? |
| 21:19.46 | mo1991 | madradrone - it is shared via samba |
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| 21:19.59 | mo1991 | needs a windows driver though - |
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| 21:20.02 | j0nas | abrotman: im a swedish dyslectic, i have a hard time spelling my name :D |
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| 21:20.55 | abrotman | j0nas: it's only five letters! |
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| 21:21.08 | fbi | Dyslexics of the world untie! |
| 21:21.15 | Spec | cixelsyds? |
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| 21:22.14 | abrotman | !moo |
| 21:22.14 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 21:22.18 | TGoC | so petemc : $(date +%D+%R) |
| 21:22.19 | TGoC | ? |
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| 21:23.23 | TGoC | abrotman you know thsi |
| 21:23.27 | TGoC | i want a cronjob |
| 21:23.32 | abrotman | TGoC: what you say? |
| 21:23.42 | TGoC | You gotta know the answer :) |
| 21:23.44 | jshoenberger | I want a momoneyjob |
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| 21:23.57 | TGoC | I want my crontab |
| 21:24.06 | TGoC | to output every 3 hours a file |
| 21:24.06 | TGoC | wich he does |
| 21:24.16 | TGoC | Only i want to add a timestamp in in |
| 21:24.21 | fbi | what makes you think cron is a he ? |
| 21:24.30 | jshoenberger | Shh, he's special |
| 21:24.34 | TGoC | wich it does... |
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| 21:24.43 | ilba7r | i want to know what is if it exist the device name for creating new file. Instead of forwarding the print command to a dev i want to forward it to create a file? |
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| 21:24.59 | abrotman | TGoC: how about all on one line :) |
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| 21:25.28 | TGoC | cron executes: ...orld/mysql_backup_verheyen_$(date +s).sql |
| 21:25.41 | abrotman | ok .. so you want to output a file every three hours .. which it does .. and make a timestamp .. which it does .. |
| 21:25.52 | TGoC | How can i make sure that the date works? Cause it does not |
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| 21:26.16 | abrotman | TGoC: describe .. "does not" |
| 21:26.27 | TGoC | If i execute it |
| 21:26.40 | TGoC | it saves mysql_backup_verheyen_s.sql |
| 21:26.45 | Spec | what defines the gender of a script? |
| 21:27.10 | froztbyte | ....sometimes i hate my own country |
| 21:27.30 | paulswm | TGoC: You only need one '+', at the beginning. 'man date' for format options, and to test it do "echo $(date '+whatever')" where whatever is your format |
| 21:27.39 | neuterspay | Frozt - which country? US? |
| 21:27.44 | froztbyte | can't update my system because the local debian repository doesn't have the files |
| 21:27.54 | neuterspay | I know for a fact that I'm leaving the states in the next 6 years. PR or NZ. |
| 21:27.57 | froztbyte | SA |
| 21:27.59 | jshoenberger | Spec, in other countries, some people put genders to their nouns |
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| 21:28.08 | froztbyte | south africa |
| 21:28.09 | neuterspay | I can't stand the way everything's going here in the states. |
| 21:28.12 | neuterspay | Ah. |
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| 21:28.40 | Dorfl | I'm looking to create a user on a machine whose sole purpose is to let rsnapshot log in and back files up. Any suggestions, please? |
| 21:28.49 | froztbyte | so now i have to rebuild my entire apt database thingy from the UK repository |
| 21:28.53 | froztbyte | and i'm on dial-up......... |
| 21:28.55 | abrotman | TGoC: date +%s ? |
| 21:29.02 | TGoC | ok it works now |
| 21:29.04 | TGoC | thx :) |
| 21:29.04 | JerJer | i have removed a package with apt-get remove <package name> |
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| 21:29.16 | abrotman | you did what?! |
| 21:29.20 | JerJer | i now wish to re-install it, but when i do apt-get install <package name> no files seem to get installed |
| 21:29.25 | paulswm | TGoC: for instance, to use your format string, "echo $(date '+%D+')" gives (in my locale) "01/04/06+16:28", which is, I'm sure, not what you're looking for |
| 21:29.25 | abrotman | that poor software .. it's been uninstalled |
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| 21:29.42 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: be gentle with the newbs |
| 21:29.43 | abrotman | paulswm: i think he just forgot the % ... no? |
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| 21:30.06 | rutski89 | How come apache2 has 10 bizillion processes in my process list? |
| 21:30.12 | abrotman | because you let it? |
| 21:30.19 | ronal_db | j |
| 21:30.24 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: it forks |
| 21:30.31 | JerJer | and when i do dpkg-query -l i see the packages i removed listed still - just don't have 'ii' on the first column |
| 21:30.39 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS: but what's it forking so much for? I mean... It's not currently serving anything |
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| 21:31.03 | JerJer | is there a way i can force a full re-install ? |
| 21:31.08 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: on the other hand, i only have 7, so if you have 10 bazillion then something is misconfigured. actually, afaik, linux can't support 10 bazillion processes. isn't the pid a short? |
| 21:31.23 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS: lol, 1 sec |
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| 21:31.34 | kino | wpa supplicant doesn't work :( ioctrl invalid operation .. |
| 21:31.56 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS: 59, I have 59 apache2 processes |
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| 21:32.08 | Jinkguns | oops. :) |
| 21:32.23 | Jinkguns | Anyway, http://everett.lansingschools.net/microscope/mic_gallery1.html <--- Pictures of the actual electron microscope |
| 21:32.26 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: then either you've told it to fork that many times, or your server got really busy and it started forking a lot. |
| 21:32.42 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 21:32.45 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS: how could either of those have happned? |
| 21:32.47 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: then count the number of processes |
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| 21:33.02 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: it's *your* server, you should know |
| 21:33.05 | JerJer | haven't i asked a sane question here? |
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| 21:33.53 | muttix | JerJer, how did you remove them ? |
| 21:34.02 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS: a "pkill apache2 && /etc/init.d/apache2 start" leaves me with 59 processses agian :( |
| 21:34.18 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: so check your config |
| 21:34.42 | JerJer | muttix: apt-get remove <package name> |
| 21:34.53 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS: for what? |
| 21:34.58 | muttix | JerJer, you should use purge |
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| 21:35.09 | JerJer | apt-get purge ? |
| 21:35.16 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: there's a prefork configuration near the top of my conf, if you haven't changed the default debian config that much it should be there. |
| 21:35.22 | Muffie | some kind soul can help me with Direct Rendering please? I used to have all working, but after a dist-upgrade I keep geting "direct rendering: No" using glxinfo. My Xorg.0.log even shows this "(II) fglrx(0): Direct rendering enabled". I have tried several things... |
| 21:35.24 | muttix | JerJer, apt-get remove --purge og aptititude purge |
| 21:35.28 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: specifically look for StartServers |
| 21:35.41 | muttix | JerJer, #dpkg --purge is also good |
| 21:35.48 | mushrooomprince | can somebody help me with /etc/network/interfaces, I don't know if its configured correctly or not and I can't connect to the debian archives. |
| 21:35.54 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: and, in general, everything inside of the "<IfModule prefork.c>" |
| 21:36.03 | fbi | aptititude? |
| 21:36.32 | muttix | LOL |
| 21:36.37 | muttix | aptitude...ups |
| 21:36.47 | fbi | mushrooomprince: stick your interfaces file on a paster |
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| 21:37.13 | mushrooomprince | fbi, I have it all copied down on a note pad. I'm booted into windows right now. |
| 21:37.19 | Muffie | anyone can help me with that? I have even posted xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log in my webpage! Dont know what else to do... |
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| 21:37.42 | fbi | mushrooomprince: the man page for interfaces is pretty clear and concise |
| 21:37.43 | JerJer | then something is seriously wrong with the emb perl debian package |
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| 21:37.51 | JerJer | Embperl::Thread object version 2.0rc3 does not match bootstrap parameter 2.1.0 is what i get now in the apache error log |
| 21:38.03 | mushrooomprince | fbi, its fine if you don't want to help me you don't have to |
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| 21:38.52 | Muffie | some kind soul can help me with Direct Rendering please? I used to have all working, but after a dist-upgrade I keep geting "direct rendering: No" using glxinfo. My Xorg.0.log even shows this "(II) fglrx(0): Direct rendering enabled". I have tried several things... |
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| 21:40.11 | Spec | I have to leave so I don't keep suggesting people to use thermite to cure their problems. Especially problems concerning direct rendering. |
| 21:40.17 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS: StartServers is 5, and MaxSpareServers is 20 O.o |
| 21:40.30 | Muffie | thermite? |
| 21:40.36 | Muffie | what is a thermite? |
| 21:40.49 | Muffie | Spec, are you joking, right? |
| 21:40.49 | fbi | Google will know. |
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| 21:41.03 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: well uh, good luck then |
| 21:41.07 | Spec[x] | it's something you ignite with magnesium, and watch as it melts through an engine block. |
| 21:41.11 | Spec[x] | it's good for video card reconfigurations. |
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| 21:41.38 | Muffie | fbi: Dont you love when you ask something and people awnser saying : " Google know that"? |
| 21:41.47 | Coweater | it's superb for formatting and data removal |
| 21:41.51 | xorion | can anyone tell me what package installs the .ppd files in /usr/share/cups ? |
| 21:41.51 | Spec[x] | www.justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| 21:42.01 | fbi | Muffie: not really, because i don't ask questions that can be answered by Google. |
| 21:42.07 | Spec[x] | xorion: apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search ppd|less |
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| 21:42.16 | Muffie | ok. Ill leave my IRC open all night |
| 21:42.28 | Muffie | and tomorrow Ill check all your questions at google |
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| 21:42.42 | xorion | Spec[x]: that would be easy if I were on the machine in question. |
| 21:42.47 | Spec[x] | he's on to you, fbi |
| 21:42.51 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS: heh, I guess i'd better move this to #apache, ty for your help |
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| 21:43.01 | Spec[x] | xorion: it would be easier, yes. |
| 21:43.03 | Muffie | fbi: About Direct Rendering, I shall tell you that I have already tried to look at google |
| 21:43.04 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: np, hope you get it fixed :> |
| 21:43.05 | ViViD | how do i get a files timestamp from a cmd line? |
| 21:43.14 | Muffie | fbi: Where are you from? |
| 21:43.18 | fbi | Muffie: try asking in #xorg maybe ? |
| 21:43.23 | Spec[x] | ViViD: ls -hal filename.txt |
| 21:43.28 | fbi | Muffie: i'm from my mommy and daddy. |
| 21:43.30 | rutski89 | oh yea, i have one more apache2 questions too; what should my /var/www files be set to in terms of ownership, /var/www/apache2-default/* is all set to root:root |
| 21:43.41 | Spec[x] | rutski89: who runs apache? |
| 21:43.42 | Muffie | fbi: Well, the problem started after a Debian dist-upgrade |
| 21:43.50 | rutski89 | Spec[x]: www-data |
| 21:43.57 | Spec[x] | rutski89: it'd make sense that www-data owned 'em |
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| 21:44.16 | lhz | Q: do debian-stable have any /tmp tmpfs statement in fstab ? |
| 21:44.18 | Muffie | fbi: funny, isnt it? |
| 21:44.19 | fbi | muttix: give the url where you pasted your xorg.conf please |
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| 21:44.21 | rutski89 | Spec[x]: but the files that i serv up on my site are all in /home/rutski89/www, so i should do rutski89:www-data? |
| 21:44.22 | fbi | err |
| 21:44.25 | fbi | Muffie: ^^^ |
| 21:44.28 | fbi | muttix: sorry |
| 21:44.53 | Spec[x] | rutski89: if your files have group permissions for read, then that should be fine |
| 21:45.01 | Muffie | fbi: you should be very, very pleasant in person. I would really appreciate to meet you someday. |
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| 21:45.08 | juergen8888 | hi |
| 21:45.10 | Muffie | anyway, let me try xorg |
| 21:45.17 | csch | hey guys, I'm having problems to configure courier-imap with qmail users |
| 21:45.23 | fbi | Muffie: give the url where you pasted your xorg.conf please |
| 21:45.23 | Spec[x] | thermite. |
| 21:45.26 | csch | I'm using vpopmail |
| 21:45.31 | Spec[x] | crap, i'm leaving now, i don't want someone burning their server down because of me. |
| 21:45.34 | buu_ | peterS: Er, so I have a process called SCREEN and a process called 'screen -r -d' |
| 21:45.38 | xorion | ok how about this. is it possible to use a .ppd file from gutenprint 5.0 with the older gimp-print 4.x? |
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| 21:45.40 | buu_ | peterS: You're saying I can just kill the second one? |
| 21:45.40 | Muffie | fbi: thanks fbi. I preffer to ask someone else. |
| 21:45.41 | fbi | Spec[x]: you said you were leaving 5 minutes ago. liar. |
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| 21:45.47 | rutski89 | Spec[x]: ahh, ok; I guess that it really doesn't matter then, they're just html files. Does it matter for cgi files? I mean, security wise? |
| 21:45.53 | fbi | Muffie: word. |
| 21:45.54 | peterS | buu_: quite possibly. SCREEN is the server that sits in the background and maintains the state of the session |
| 21:45.58 | buu_ | hhmph |
| 21:46.04 | Kurtism | is there a gentler way of killing a process so it releases it memory rather than kill -9 ? |
| 21:46.18 | peterS | Kurtism: yeah you can kill with any signal. 'kill -l' to list them |
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| 21:46.22 | Kurtism | kill -"something to kill the process but make it release memory" |
| 21:46.33 | peterS | Kurtism: usual gentle signals would be -HUP, -TERM or -INT |
| 21:46.34 | buu_ | peterS: Well, I killed it. |
| 21:46.51 | buu_ | peterS: Now I've just got a SCREEN session |
| 21:46.59 | peterS | buu_: so I guess see if that helped any |
| 21:46.59 | SerajewelKS | Kurtism: when a processes dies, it releases its memory. there's no "special way" to get it to clean up memory. the kernel does this for every process that dies. |
| 21:47.03 | Spec[x] | rutski89: ermm, cgi files might need to be executable |
| 21:47.09 | csch | stew: are you there ? |
| 21:47.10 | Spec[x] | rutski89: i'm not sure though |
| 21:47.10 | Kurtism | kill -HUP ? |
| 21:47.20 | peterS | Kurtism: kill -TERM is the classic way to say "please die now" |
| 21:47.34 | Kurtism | I'm finding when I kill a runaway process the memory slowly gets eaten up |
| 21:47.39 | peterS | Kurtism: -9 means -KILL which says "you are dead now" |
| 21:47.40 | buu_ | peterS: Doesn't seem to have changed anything |
| 21:47.42 | csch | stew: I did what you said but nothing works :( |
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| 21:47.46 | jshoenberger | That's what make me fall in love with linux, the 15 different ways to say "Die" |
| 21:48.12 | Kurtism | oright |
| 21:48.17 | Seicherl | can anybody recommend a good irc-client for linux? |
| 21:48.25 | Kurtism | so I'll do a kill -TERM rather than kill -9 |
| 21:48.26 | fbi | Seicherl: apt-get install screen irssi-text |
| 21:48.26 | buu_ | irssi |
| 21:48.27 | jshoenberger | "please die now" "you are dead" "BANG! Drive-by!" "take your time bleeding to death" |
| 21:48.28 | peterS | Seicherl: we all use irssi-text around here |
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| 21:48.34 | juergen8888 | is there a special debian-amd64 channel? |
| 21:48.40 | jshoenberger | Seicherl, I use nirc |
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| 21:48.45 | peterS | juergen8888: I believe it's even called debian-amd64 |
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| 21:48.54 | Seicherl | peterS: ok, thank you so far. I'll have a look on those |
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| 21:49.16 | juergen8888 | peterS: thanks |
| 21:49.18 | SerajewelKS | Kurtism: if a process is leaking memory *after* it dies, then you did nothing wrong, and there's a kernel bug. find it, patch it, submit the patch. |
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| 21:49.21 | Seicherl | ans jshoenberger of course |
| 21:49.24 | wandererx | Hi people. I have a hardware related question about virtual memory. Where is the right place to ask? |
| 21:49.29 | jshoenberger | :D |
| 21:49.33 | p8m | Seicherl: irssi, it's the client of smart and beautiful people. |
| 21:49.41 | jshoenberger | nirc, "it also does aim!" |
| 21:49.44 | peterS | SerajewelKS: well it *is* possible to leak other things besides memory. like sysv ipc, and temp files. |
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| 21:49.56 | nukeskyjmpr | just did a net install of stable, and i can't CTRL-ALT-F1 from X to the console... |
| 21:49.57 | jshoenberger | lol |
| 21:50.09 | SerajewelKS | peterS: well, temp files aren't "memory" per se, so i assume we're not talking about those |
| 21:50.15 | lhz | a driveby would be killall ? |
| 21:50.23 | jshoenberger | And I programmed nirc to replace "lol" with "I'm a butt-priate!" |
| 21:50.23 | peterS | SerajewelKS: heh, unless they're living on a tmpfs, like they sometimes do on my boxes |
| 21:50.24 | nukeskyjmpr | shows a bunch of fuzz. this is on a laptop with an LCD too |
| 21:50.36 | jshoenberger | lhz, pretty much :D |
| 21:50.38 | peterS | jshoenberger: I'm not in favor of priates |
| 21:50.40 | SerajewelKS | peterS: well, true... |
| 21:50.46 | jshoenberger | Makes me laugh though |
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| 21:51.07 | jshoenberger | and that's the point of "lol" isn't it? to make me laugh like a school-girl |
| 21:51.09 | SerajewelKS | peterS: isn't windows simpler? one spot to dump temporary files, you don't *have* to clean them up when you're done, and they'll never be stored in RAM! |
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| 21:51.43 | peterS | SerajewelKS: perhaps, perhaps. a lot of unix and windows apps fail to clean up temp files, in my experience |
| 21:51.45 | jshoenberger | SerajewelKS, I tend to keep my temprorary files in /tmp/ ... |
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| 21:52.07 | Jinkguns | I've set up a vnc server on mitsune:1, but when I use vnc2swf (which uses the vnc server to take a video of the desktop) I get a socket rejected, 111. ;/ |
| 21:52.16 | lhz | will on the subject on /tmp, how do u mount it ? |
| 21:52.18 | jshoenberger | Rarely does windows clean up its temp files, that's why theres the "disk cleanup" app that does it |
| 21:52.31 | SerajewelKS | peterS: IMO, temp files should be linked to by process. when the process dies, so does the temp file. |
| 21:52.43 | jshoenberger | lhz, you know, the funniest thing. I've been using linux for years, and I have no idea what mounting means |
| 21:52.55 | peterS | SerajewelKS: you can achieve this in unix by deleting the temp file while you still have it open. when the process dies, the file is closed, and automatically cleaned off the disk |
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| 21:53.09 | peterS | SerajewelKS: this doesn't work in windows as you can't delete an open file |
| 21:53.09 | SerajewelKS | peterS: i know that, but how many programs do that? |
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| 21:53.25 | csch | somebody can help me to configure a imap server ? |
| 21:53.36 | peterS | SerajewelKS: ok tell me this. how do you signal that a file is, in fact, temporary and should be deleted when the process dies? |
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| 21:53.53 | jshoenberger | lhz, why would you mount /tmp? |
| 21:53.53 | peterS | SerajewelKS: now tell me how to do this without modifying the application |
| 21:54.03 | peterS | SerajewelKS: since if you are willing to modify the application, you could have fixed it the right way |
| 21:54.13 | aladino | hallo |
| 21:54.17 | aladino | hola |
| 21:54.21 | jshoenberger | Wie geht's? |
| 21:54.24 | aladino | alwien español? |
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| 21:54.30 | fbi | !es |
| 21:54.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:54.44 | SerajewelKS | peterS: afaik, FUSE-based filesystems can tell what PID is doing certain operations. write a temp filesystem in FUSE that tracks that info, and mount it over /tmp |
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| 21:55.29 | peterS | SerajewelKS: that still doesn't distinguish between files I create in /tmp which need to persist beyond a single process, and ones that don't need to persist |
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| 21:55.37 | dli | /dev/input/event1 missing with 2.6.15 kernel |
| 21:55.54 | lhz | jshoenberger: i want to mount /tmp as an tmpfs type |
| 21:55.54 | peterS | dli: even after you load the 'evdev' module? |
| 21:55.55 | fbi | damn kids and your fancy new kernel versions |
| 21:56.24 | jshoenberger | lhz, I told you I have no idea what mounting is, I'm in the process of looking it up right now. Lol. |
| 21:56.26 | Jinkguns | Anyone know why when I start up a vnc server and then vncserver tries to connect to it, I get connection refused? 111? |
| 21:56.28 | SerajewelKS | peterS: yeah, well it's not a perfect world... |
| 21:56.57 | SerajewelKS | Jinkguns: check your firewall |
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| 21:57.31 | lhz | jshoenberger: by mounting /tmp , it will become part of swap, and therefor faster, and self-cleaning when booting |
| 21:58.08 | neuterspAWAY | Where can I get RandR, anybody? |
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| 21:58.43 | jshoenberger | Hrm... Well... I've already got a folder on hda1 called /tmp... I think I'm missing something |
| 21:58.47 | Gathond | lhz: as far as i know, debians init scripts delete everything in /tmp and /var/tmp upon boot anyway, so why bother |
| 21:59.01 | caphuso | things in /var/tmp/ are not automatically deleted |
| 21:59.05 | caphuso | that'd be horrible |
| 21:59.14 | jshoenberger | Isn't mounting for connecting different devices to the main file structure? |
| 21:59.18 | Gathond | caphuso: so only /tmp then? |
| 21:59.22 | caphuso | Gathond: yes |
| 21:59.25 | fbi | neuterspAWAY: apt-cache search randr |
| 21:59.30 | Gathond | jshoenberger: yes it is |
| 21:59.32 | neuterspAWAY | Thanks. |
| 21:59.44 | neuterspAWAY | ! |
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| 21:59.58 | Gathond | caphuso: anyway mounting /tmp as tmpfs just so its clean at boot seems silly to me :) |
| 22:00.00 | abrotman | i thought randr was part of x-window-system-core ? |
| 22:00.06 | caphuso | jshoenberger: no, it's for connecting different filesystems to the main file system structure |
| 22:00.20 | caphuso | Gathond: yeah, that's a bit of a noop reason :) |
| 22:00.44 | fbi | abrotman: you're probably right, i just checked the status of the randr libs and they are already installed on this server |
| 22:00.44 | caphuso | abrotman: it's an X server extension, so it's part of the X server |
| 22:01.02 | jshoenberger | so... if /tmp is already on /dev/hda1... I don't understand :D |
| 22:01.05 | Jinkguns | I'm trying to use vnc2swf, which uses vncserver to capture video of the desktop to create flash tutorials. But when I tell it to connect to the port, I get 111 connection refused, which is odd because it is the host machine, ne? |
| 22:01.06 | abrotman | see .. i'm not stupid! |
| 22:01.14 | dli | peterS, evdev is built-in :( |
| 22:01.19 | abrotman | FSVO stupid ... |
| 22:01.23 | froztbyte | can anybody maybe tell me if there's a problem with the nvidia packages in the stable branch? |
| 22:01.31 | peterS | dli: that's pretty evil, someone on the debian kernel team needs to be larted |
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| 22:01.51 | SerajewelKS | jshoenberger: a RAM filesystem is faster than a disk one, and mounting a RAM-based fs over /tmp keeps the filesystem from getting fragmented by lots of temp files being written. |
| 22:01.55 | froztbyte | i can't seem to get nvidia-kernel-source to download and i have tried two repositories now |
| 22:02.00 | dli | peterS, since it's vanilla source, it's not debian's fault :( |
| 22:02.10 | SerajewelKS | jshoenberger: plus it doesn't persist between boots, like /tmp shouldn't. that's three reasons. |
| 22:02.31 | nukeskyjmpr | anyone know why CTRL-ALT-F1 from X to console would show fuzz instead of text? (fresh stable install) |
| 22:02.40 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: no, it's two reasons. /tmp doesn't persist between boots anyways |
| 22:02.44 | jshoenberger | Ah hah! mounting ram |
| 22:02.45 | Gathond | SerajewelKS: but /tmp is cleared of all files at boottime anyways, so that last one is not really an issue |
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| 22:02.50 | jshoenberger | I got you know |
| 22:03.00 | jshoenberger | I just couldn't figure out what you were attaching to the main fs |
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| 22:03.10 | SerajewelKS | caphuso: but it saves the effort from happening at boot |
| 22:03.10 | jshoenberger | now*& |
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| 22:04.26 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: with the additonal effort of mounting an extra filesystem. still not a reason |
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| 22:05.45 | DragonD | What is a commandline tool that transcodes mp3s? |
| 22:05.59 | lhz | i think you use swap space when you write to tmpfs, so its flexible... But debian-testing isn't doing this by default? |
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| 22:06.21 | junix659 | what's wrong with the apt-get keys? |
| 22:06.35 | fbi | junix659: /topic |
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| 22:06.43 | jshoenberger | !tell junix659 about 2006 keys |
| 22:06.52 | jshoenberger | doh |
| 22:07.19 | junix659 | its not working!! |
| 22:07.21 | junix659 | :-( |
| 22:07.23 | peterS | DragonD: try something like mpg321 -wav - filename.mp3 | oggenc -o filename.ogg - |
| 22:07.44 | peterS | DragonD: but only do that if you really need to, it loses audio quality and gains nothing |
| 22:08.04 | jshoenberger | Junix659 can I send you a pm? |
| 22:08.12 | junix659 | yes |
| 22:08.21 | DragonD | petemc: i want to rencode. eg:mp3 320kbs to mp3 128kbs |
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| 22:08.35 | petemc | woo |
| 22:08.40 | petemc | hey peterS |
| 22:08.44 | peterS | DragonD: oh, you can't do that in debian. because of patent license issues, debian cannot ship MP3 encoder software. |
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| 22:08.48 | peterS | (: |
| 22:08.50 | DragonD | petemc: sorry i meant peterS |
| 22:08.53 | petemc | :) |
| 22:09.00 | peterS | DragonD: he's used to it, people do that all the time |
| 22:09.05 | doleyb | DragonD: look for mp32ogg, it is a normal prog |
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| 22:09.29 | DragonD | but i don't want ogg. |
| 22:09.32 | peterS | DragonD: you'll have to download an MP3 encoder from some third-party source - offhand I think you can '/msg dpkg marillat' to find such a source that includes the 'lame' encoder |
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| 22:10.03 | peterS | DragonD: be sure to pay for a mp3 encoder license when you do so. nobody can give you such a license for free, which is why Debian can't ship that software |
| 22:10.08 | lobico | there is nonfree software in debian... |
| 22:10.09 | bizkit | DragonD: lame is perfect for 128kbit |
| 22:10.29 | DragonD | i thought lame was free. |
| 22:10.46 | peterS | DragonD: the software is, but the patent license is not |
| 22:10.52 | bizkit | apt-get isntall lame |
| 22:10.53 | DragonD | oh |
| 22:10.59 | peterS | DragonD: since Debian can't risk being sued for patent infringement, we can't ship the software |
| 22:11.10 | DragonD | i see |
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| 22:11.24 | peterS | DragonD: apparently ftp.nerim.net or whoever is shipping that now, doesn't mind the risk of being sued |
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| 22:12.18 | Shadowcat | you know |
| 22:12.23 | Shadowcat | you could just compile lame yourself |
| 22:12.26 | Shadowcat | it isn't THAT hard |
| 22:12.36 | hyso | Hi |
| 22:12.38 | DragonD | is debian amd64 good? |
| 22:12.44 | hyso | Do anyone know why I need to enter the root password to reboot on the gdm menu? |
| 22:12.45 | bizkit | marillat ships lame |
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| 22:12.55 | Daedalus_ | DragonD: Good enough to run |
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| 22:13.13 | DragonD | lol |
| 22:13.15 | slake | What would the hsync be on my LCD display? |
| 22:13.24 | slake | Xorg thinks it is a generic monitor |
| 22:13.31 | hyso | How do I configure gdm to not ask me for the root password to reboot or halt the system? |
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| 22:13.34 | Shadowcat | slake: what your manual tells you to set it at |
| 22:13.40 | peterS | slake: try installing 'read-edid' before configuring xorg, perhaps it will help autodetect it |
| 22:13.44 | slake | ... |
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| 22:13.51 | slake | ok |
| 22:13.55 | peterS | (it's supposed to help autodetect, at least) |
| 22:14.06 | SerajewelKS | Shadowcat: my LCD monitor's manual didn't have the sync range |
| 22:14.14 | froztbyte | hyso: on the gdm loginm press shift-f10 for the menu, then pick the configure |
| 22:14.29 | hyso | froztbyte, ok thanks |
| 22:14.35 | froztbyte | hyso: else run the gdm config in X to change the setting |
| 22:14.37 | slake | xorg is giving me so much trouble |
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| 22:15.07 | slake | Isn't xorgcfg supposed to give you a graphical configurator? |
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| 22:15.22 | hyso | froztbyte, do you what is the name of the app to configure gdm? |
| 22:15.26 | pureone | i normaly use X -configure |
| 22:15.32 | SimonRaven | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 | -xorg |
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| 22:15.47 | pureone | the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 REALLY screws up |
| 22:15.53 | slake | I just wish I could go back to xfree86 |
| 22:16.00 | hyso | ok |
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| 22:16.39 | tuv | no debian kernel with built-in (not module) xfs support? |
| 22:16.55 | peterS | tuv: why do you need it? debian kernels all require an initrd anyway |
| 22:17.11 | nukeskyjmpr | how do i get back to my framebuffer console if X screwed it up? |
| 22:17.13 | froztbyte | hyso: as root, gdmsetup |
| 22:17.17 | ram_ | anyidea how to change the default browser to firefox? |
| 22:17.21 | tuv | peterS: so it is able to boot to a root xfs parition? |
| 22:17.23 | hyso | froztbyte, ok |
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| 22:17.29 | peterS | tuv: yeah |
| 22:17.30 | nukeskyjmpr | the X res is wrong... can't really fix it until I have a console |
| 22:18.03 | ToneLoc | does anyone kno how to use metasploit? if so what commands can u use with the win32_exec payload |
| 22:18.09 | Jinkguns | Does anyone here us VNC? |
| 22:18.23 | SimonRaven | ram_: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 22:18.29 | peterS | tuv: assuming of course that (a) you install the boot loader to the MBR rather than to the beginning of your root partition, since that is incompatible with xfs, and (b) your boot loader supports xfs (lilo does not care, grub I'm not sure about), and (c) the initrd generation utility works with your kernel, which has been a slight problem with newer kernels in unstable |
| 22:18.34 | h3xis | Jinkguns, for any OS? |
| 22:18.34 | froztbyte | toneloc: not strictly debian... |
| 22:18.59 | Jinkguns | No, just for linux. |
| 22:19.03 | h3xis | yeah, i do sometimes |
| 22:19.17 | ram_ | SimonRaven, you mean update-alternatives --config x-www-firefox ? |
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| 22:19.33 | froztbyte | toneloc: you have to start up the menu thingy which they have (described in manual), and then exec the payload with all the correct params |
| 22:20.01 | dli | firefox question: how to increase the font size in firefox address bar? |
| 22:20.02 | tuv | peterS: using a testing kernel (2.6.12).. will give it a shot.. thanks |
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| 22:20.12 | Jinkguns | I'm having problems, I run vnc4server in the command line (or vncserver) I get a message such as "X now running on mitsune:1" but when I try to connect using a client on the same machine, such as with vnc2swf or vncviewer, I get a connection refused 111. :/ |
| 22:20.20 | SimonRaven | ram_: no, what i said |
| 22:20.43 | peterS | tuv: 2.6.12 and initrd-tools are incompatible, I believe. you want to install 'yaird' and change /etc/kernel-img.conf to say 'ramdisk = /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yaird' |
| 22:20.46 | SimonRaven | ram_: need to run that as root |
| 22:20.56 | ram_ | SimonRaven, ah. ok will try. |
| 22:21.15 | Seicherl | I can't get it... can anybody help me with mounting a sambashare on my client. plz. I don't know how to handle this error: "smbfs: mount_data version xxx is not supported"! Any suggestions? |
| 22:21.17 | peterS | tuv: 'initramfs-tools' is also said to work well, though I haven't tried it. again, as a modern alternative to 'initrd-tools' |
| 22:22.11 | tuv | peterS: do i need to do anything after i change /etc/kernel-img.conf ? |
| 22:22.25 | peterS | tuv: 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.12-whatever' will make it regenerate the initrd |
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| 22:23.01 | Lord_Athur | hi |
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| 22:23.23 | jlhenry | Hi, |
| 22:23.26 | jlhenry | I'd like to do statistics and need a place from where i can fetch both advisory date and fixe date. |
| 22:23.47 | jlhenry | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.49 | tuv | peterS: is initramfs-tools an alternative solution? |
| 22:23.55 | jlhenry | And the thing is I'm actually now unable to find a place like this. Any idea? |
| 22:24.09 | peterS | tuv: yes, three implementations in debian are initrd-tools, yaird, initramfs-tools. |
| 22:24.28 | peterS | jlhenry: I'd poke around http://lwn.net/, they track this stuff |
| 22:24.34 | TNKS | I'm kind of winging my understanding of Debian's package signing. |
| 22:24.42 | peterS | jlhenry: well, within linux distributions, not necessarily outside that |
| 22:25.06 | peterS | TNKS: debian does not officially support package signing at all. it supports *archive* signing - a single signature that validates an entire ftp site |
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| 22:25.23 | Chris00078 | hallo |
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| 22:25.43 | rutski89 | Is there a command to check how many lines are in a text file? |
| 22:25.43 | Jinkguns | 'ello? |
| 22:25.46 | Jinkguns | Anybody? :/ |
| 22:25.55 | Chris00078 | yes |
| 22:25.58 | TNKS | peterS, sorry, I wasn't accurate -- archive signing. Does the debian-keyring package provide the ziyi_key_2006.asc I've been downloading? |
| 22:26.04 | Eulex | rutski89, cat filename|wc -l |
| 22:26.10 | Jinkguns | I'm trying to use vnc2swf, which uses vncserver to capture video of the desktop to create flash tutorials. But when I tell it to connect to the port, I get 111 connection refused, which is odd because it is the host machine, ne? |
| 22:26.28 | Esin | Is there a way to make kpkg make a initrd when compiling a kernel? |
| 22:26.33 | peterS | TNKS: well, /topic is a start |
| 22:26.37 | gmcinnes | anyone ever used yaird? |
| 22:26.48 | Chris00078 | can someone tell how can I downgrade my system? |
| 22:26.48 | tuv | peterS: how can i make sure things are ok after the changes? |
| 22:26.52 | _Sam-- | when you make modules_install doesnt it make the initrd image for you? |
| 22:26.52 | Eulex | Jinkguns, well, can you connect to it with a normal vnc client? |
| 22:27.00 | Chris00078 | I will use sage stable |
| 22:27.12 | Esin | _Sam--: I am using kernel-package |
| 22:27.24 | Eulex | !tell Chris00078 about downgrade |
| 22:27.24 | Chris00078 | at momennt I have upgrade to sid |
| 22:27.28 | peterS | tuv: you can look at /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-whatever to see if it looks like it was written recently. other than that you kind of have to trust it, and reboot, and boot back into your existing kernel if it didn't work |
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| 22:27.42 | Jinkguns | Eulex, no. |
| 22:27.44 | hyso | froztbyte, gdmsetup didn't have anything about what users can reboot and so... |
| 22:27.46 | kino | wifi0 no wireless extensions. |
| 22:27.59 | Eulex | Chris00078, if you have just installed and have nothing to lose by reinstalling: reinstall. otherwise, check out the links dpkg gave you |
| 22:28.09 | tuv | peterS: i mean the kernel used to boot even before these changes.. what exactly should they fix? |
| 22:28.16 | hyso | froztbyte, but I think I know what the problem is... my user were not on the gdm group |
| 22:28.18 | Eulex | Jinkguns, how do you then know that your vnc server does work? |
| 22:28.23 | peterS | tuv: I don't quite follow |
| 22:28.26 | gmcinnes | my initrd has this problem: /bin/mknod: '/dev/tty': Read only file system At least its booting the initrd now. |
| 22:28.28 | peterS | tuv: what broke, and when? |
| 22:28.32 | hyso | froztbyte, I am going to see if that is the problem... |
| 22:28.55 | froztbyte | hyso: a'right |
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| 22:29.25 | Jinkguns | I don't know, but I also don't know how to test it. |
| 22:29.27 | jlhenry | peterS, In fact we says all the time (and I bellieve) that OSS fixe bug faster that CSS. But I'm doing a conf and I need facts :) |
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| 22:29.36 | tuv | peterS: nothing broke.. i installed a 2.6.12 kernel and it worked fine.. so what are these changes supposed to fix? (BTW: still booting to ext3 root) |
| 22:29.40 | jlhenry | peterS, thanks anyway :) |
| 22:29.40 | Jinkguns | I find it odd that a socket would refuse a connection to an internal program. :/ |
| 22:30.10 | Esin | Is it possible to have kpkg make an initrd.img during compilation? I'm using bootsplash and I've been using my old initrd from the stock kernel, I'd feel better if I could have one made for my own. |
| 22:30.23 | Eulex | Esin, man make-kpkg |
| 22:30.27 | peterS | tuv: you mean switching from initrd-tools to yaird? it'll load fewer modules at boot time so you get a slightly leaner system. other than that, initrd-tools is said not to support particularly recent kernels at all |
| 22:30.44 | peterS | tuv: but I'm not sure what the cutoff is for what kernels are supported by initrd-tools and what kernels are not |
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| 22:31.49 | Jinkguns | Anyone know of any programs I could use to record my voice and desktop, for making tutorials? |
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| 22:31.56 | tuv | peterS: doesn't the fact that my 2.6.12 kernel booted fine without yaird means that 2.6.12 is supported by initrd-tools? |
| 22:32.19 | peterS | tuv: apparently so. I thought 2.6.12 was unsupported, but I could be off by 1 or 2 release numbers there |
| 22:32.23 | whatever | Anyone heard of being able to remotely update DNS entries in bind similar to an automatic DNS update system? |
| 22:32.38 | peterS | tuv: if you do 'lsmod' you will probably see that about a dozen IDE modules are loaded and cannot be unloaded. yaird won't do that to you. |
| 22:33.00 | tuv | peterS: using yaird now already :) |
| 22:33.04 | whatever | tuv: hey tuv. |
| 22:33.08 | peterS | whatever: that's what 'rndc' does |
| 22:33.14 | Esin | Thanks I was reading man kernel-package |
| 22:33.22 | whatever | peterS: ...ineresting... interesting. thanks |
| 22:33.32 | tuv | peterS: is yaird going to be the default any time soon? |
| 22:33.33 | peterS | whatever: to use it properly requires a bit of setup, to create a shared crypto key and stuff |
| 22:33.52 | whatever | peterS: crap.... is there a how-to rndc? |
| 22:34.09 | peterS | tuv: yes, it is, as of recent versions of 'kernel-package'. so if you build a kernel using a recent 'kernel-package', it will look for all three of initramfs-tools, yaird, initrd-tools and use whatever is available |
| 22:34.21 | Esin | Off to play video games wile it compiles later |
| 22:34.22 | peterS | tuv: I forget which exact order of preference it uses |
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| 22:34.37 | tuv | peterS: what about debian pre-build kernels? |
| 22:34.39 | peterS | whatever: don't know |
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| 22:34.52 | peterS | tuv: those are built using kernel-package as well so they'll inherit this change soon if they haven't already |
| 22:35.02 | whatever | peterS: bummer..... thanks for the info though |
| 22:35.18 | fbi | whatever: tldp has a good dns page that mentions rndc |
| 22:35.31 | peterS | whatever: there *are* docs about this, you can start wih 'man rndc' and follow the white rabbit around awhile |
| 22:35.35 | whatever | fbi: sweet. |
| 22:35.41 | whatever | lol, great. |
| 22:35.52 | peterS | whatever: in particular 'man rndc.conf' seems instructive |
| 22:36.24 | whatever | peterS: it blows me away how you guys really are helpful all the time. |
| 22:36.33 | peterS | one does one's best |
| 22:36.39 | Jinkguns | Anyone know of any programs I could use to record my voice and desktop, for making tutorials? |
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| 22:37.16 | froztbyte | jinkguns: guessing you would want to stick with linux? record your linux desktop, i mean |
| 22:37.27 | mtl | a /away nuq. |
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| 22:39.42 | Jinkguns | Yes Frankablu |
| 22:39.46 | doleyb | Jinkguns: the 2 ways are xvidcap or vnc2swf |
| 22:39.49 | Jinkguns | froztbyte. :/ |
| 22:39.52 | _Sam-- | on my distribution iso i downloaded...there is |
| 22:39.54 | _Sam-- | er wrong win |
| 22:41.06 | whatever | peterS: hm, does rndc simply replicate to slave DNS servers, or does it allow for a server to update its IP record... such as a new dynamic address? |
| 22:41.56 | peterS | whatever: it lets you create, delete or alter DNS records on a given server. the server itself had better not move to somewhere nobody can find it, of course |
| 22:41.58 | Jinkguns | xvidcap does sound from mic?\ |
| 22:42.47 | gmcinnes | peterS: sorry to bother you, but I"m having yaird problems ;( |
| 22:43.00 | Tortel | hmm, I am running etch, and now the http://mirrors.kernel.org unstable Release source doesnt want to work because of no key, anyone know how to get that apt-key? |
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| 22:43.11 | XnetUser215 | nsupdate file: update add test99.moccy.lan. 600 a 127.0.0.99 |
| 22:43.12 | whatever | peterS: beautiful. yeah, it sucks, this new place I moved to, I have to use a service that gives me dynamic addresses, so I'm trying to set up some kind of automatic way to update the DNS entry on the static connection so that it has the new address. bleh hopefully, like you mentioned, rndc will do the trick |
| 22:43.16 | gmcinnes | peterS: I get it to boot into the initrd now, but it complains that its a readonly filesystem, so it can't do anything with it. |
| 22:43.23 | froztbyte | Jinkguns: you can always playback file, record narratives and then merge the audio stream with the video using kino or something (dunno which formats xvidcap outputs) |
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| 22:43.40 | whatever | Jinkguns: hey dude, how did that proposal go for you? |
| 22:43.57 | tuv | how can i mount my root parition ro? "mount -o remount,ro /dev/hda1" returns "mount: / is busy" |
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| 22:44.19 | peterS | whatever: some services like zoneedit.com give you some custom method to update your DNS zone. the 'ddclient' and 'ez-ipupdate' debian packages know about several such services |
| 22:44.22 | Waggie | Hi folks. |
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| 22:44.32 | flarg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.42 | Jinkguns | It's a 60 million dollar proposal, so eh, I won't know for two months, still working on it, funding request specs are released on the 14th. |
| 22:44.44 | Waggie | Thanks flarg. |
| 22:44.48 | Waggie | :) |
| 22:44.59 | XnetUser215 | mount -o remount,ro / |
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| 22:45.10 | flarg | Waggie, heh. |
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| 22:45.36 | tuv | XnetUser215: same thing |
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| 22:45.48 | foo | What's the best way to troubleshoot my scroll wheel on my mouse? |
| 22:45.55 | doleyb | Jinkguns: see http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/slime.html |
| 22:46.14 | froztbyte | foo: in X or console? |
| 22:46.25 | edrin | i get a gpg error in aptitude again. whatever i updated my key to 2006 already |
| 22:46.29 | edrin | what's up!? |
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| 22:46.30 | peterS | froztbyte: very few console apps know anything about scroll wheels so I'm guessing in X |
| 22:46.35 | whatever | peterS: yeah, but it looks like those will only work for third party places, and not 'your own' remote DNS server. although ez-ipupdate did look like it may be a bit more flexible |
| 22:46.41 | foo | froztbyte: X. |
| 22:46.56 | froztbyte | peterS: good point |
| 22:47.02 | peterS | whatever: right, if it's your own DNS server you'll want to custom-roll something with rndc. |
| 22:47.07 | Jinkguns | doleyb, i tried to use vnc2swf but it won't connect to my vncserver, I get a socket connection refused. :/ |
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| 22:47.29 | whatever | peterS: or just hack their stuff. XD |
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| 22:48.05 | doleyb | Jinkguns: read http://desktops.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/07/26/1815242&tid=6 |
| 22:48.21 | tr1gg3r | anyone know how to fix the gpg error in apt-get that started few days ago? |
| 22:48.41 | fbi | foo: paste the mouse section from your X config on a paster |
| 22:48.45 | SimonRaven | !topicsmite tr1gg3r |
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| 22:48.45 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon tr1gg3r. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 22:48.54 | froztbyte | foo: load the correct device line in your X config file (if someone else can maybe advise on a specific device line, i'd be grateful. i've also had this problem when i handcrafted /etc/X11/xf86-4 after doing nvidia driver install) |
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| 22:49.41 | froztbyte | tr1gg3r: /msg dpkg 2006 key, before people kill u with the topic ;-) |
| 22:50.03 | tr1gg3r | oops i read all but the top line in topic sry |
| 22:50.19 | foo | fbi and froztbyte: http://pastebin.com/490939 - thanks |
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| 22:50.57 | fbi | foo: is this xorg or xfree86 ? |
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| 22:51.09 | fbi | foo: i don't even see the Options for scroll enabling |
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| 22:52.00 | tr1gg3r | foo, u need a ZAxisMapping line |
| 22:52.00 | foo | fbi: Hmm, I am using xorg. Does that use the xorg.conf? Hmm, I copied from XF86Config. |
| 22:52.00 | grendal_prime | ok im very confused now |
| 22:52.00 | doleyb | !mousehweel |
| 22:52.04 | grendal_prime | about these tools... i8k |
| 22:52.16 | fbi | foo: yes, xorg uses xorg.conf but you are still missing two Options for scroll |
| 22:52.21 | foo | ah, ok. |
| 22:52.25 | fbi | foo: try reconfiguring xserver-xorg |
| 22:52.33 | foo | ah, thanks |
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| 22:52.49 | grendal_prime | apt says that they are i8k is already compiledinto the kernels 2.4 and > |
| 22:52.50 | apt | grendal_prime: okay |
| 22:52.55 | grendal_prime | but i cant get them to work |
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| 22:53.04 | fbi | foo: if that doesn't work, you can manually add the two Options, it's ok to edit xorg.conf unlike XF86Config-4 |
| 22:53.05 | grendal_prime | and the module is not loded |
| 22:53.06 | Crissi | hi |
| 22:53.09 | Crissi | debian testing.. ldapsearch -> invalid credentials ... debian stable -> ok |
| 22:53.15 | Crissi | whats wrong there? |
| 22:53.17 | meriad | question: i have samba setup, and people try and write a file to it but it says Security problem. something about check security permissions over network, so i checked my linux box runnign smbd and the smb.conf and it says the dir is writable but he still cant write to it.. help ! |
| 22:53.34 | grendal_prime | the package sources or found in Linux kernel 2.4.14 and later versions. |
| 22:53.41 | Jinkguns | How do I figure out what my ip is? :/ |
| 22:53.51 | fbi | Jinkguns: ifconfig -a |
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| 22:53.56 | Crissi | any hints whats wrong in debian testing with ldapsearch? |
| 22:54.03 | jshoenberger | meriad, smb.conf might ahve the write permissions in it, but does the user samba is running as have write permissions to the folder? |
| 22:54.04 | peterS | Jinkguns: if you're behind a NAT gateway, you ask something out on the internet like 'whatismyip.com'. if not, you can use ifconfig as fbi notes |
| 22:54.11 | csch | hey guys, there is no quanta package on debian ? |
| 22:54.33 | Crissi | csch: alioth deb |
| 22:54.40 | grendal_prime | debian testing was totally busticated 3 weeks ago jshoenberger I imagine its one of those packages not up to speed |
| 22:54.52 | meriad | jshoenberger- i suppose, its running as root :> |
| 22:55.23 | Gnea | grendal_prime: 3 weeks? try 3 months ;) |
| 22:55.24 | csch | Crissi: sorry ? |
| 22:55.31 | grendal_prime | csch, yes there is |
| 22:55.38 | grendal_prime | im using it now |
| 22:55.41 | Gnea | i see the quanta packages just fine |
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| 22:55.43 | whatever | peterS: ever heard of GNUDip? |
| 22:55.55 | peterS | nope |
| 22:55.57 | grendal_prime | even stable has quanta+ now |
| 22:55.58 | Crissi | csch: |
| 22:55.59 | csch | but when i apt-get install quanta, says that there is no package |
| 22:56.09 | grendal_prime | update your cache |
| 22:56.10 | doleyb | csch: so what version of debian are you having? |
| 22:56.14 | Crissi | # kde 3.5 |
| 22:56.14 | Gnea | Package: quanta Version: 4:3.4.3-2 Filename: pool/main/k/kdewebdev/quanta_3.4.3-2_i386.deb |
| 22:56.14 | Crissi | deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0/ ./ |
| 22:56.18 | Crissi | kdewebdev |
| 22:56.19 | whatever | peterS: looks like it offers the same service that something like dyndns might offer |
| 22:56.28 | muttix | quanta+ ? |
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| 22:56.44 | VoX | are there any known issues with xlibs-data when being updated by apt? i'm getting some weird broken-pakageness going on |
| 22:56.45 | peterS | whatever: there are several such services. I use zoneedit.com and am very happy with it. |
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| 22:56.49 | tr1gg3r | meriad, this is not the real answer but a quick fix, u can enable write perms for other in that dir |
| 22:56.49 | csch | 3.1 |
| 22:56.53 | AgentJ87 | hi |
| 22:57.06 | XnetUser215 | GNUdip2 is just an fronend to bind... using nsupdate |
| 22:57.15 | grendal_prime | the about splash screen says quanta pluss web development |
| 22:57.15 | meriad | tr1gg3r- come again? |
| 22:57.20 | meriad | tr1gg3r- i've never really used samba before |
| 22:57.24 | AgentJ87 | can anyone give me command to give me permission to overwrite a file |
| 22:57.28 | _rene_ | VoX: yes, RTF BTS |
| 22:57.33 | VoX | righto |
| 22:57.33 | meriad | tr1gg3r- you mean ohh chmod |
| 22:57.45 | tr1gg3r | meriad, chmod o+w -R dirname |
| 22:57.48 | meriad | tr1gg3r- erm, not really the perms seem ok, seriously.. and the file creation is 0664 |
| 22:57.54 | meriad | tr1gg3r- ya i know all about chmod |
| 22:57.57 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 22:57.59 | peterS | whatever: I'm not sure if all the dynamic IP services support arbitrary zone records. zoneedit seems to, at least they support the rather uncommon LOC record. (thus you can know exactly where I live with 'dig loc p12n.org' |
| 22:58.03 | grendal_prime | 3.1? |
| 22:58.09 | Crissi | old. |
| 22:58.15 | grendal_prime | csch, dude upgrad to sable |
| 22:58.19 | grendal_prime | stable that is |
| 22:58.19 | meriad | tr1gg3r- and the group this user is a member of has right perms. |
| 22:58.28 | AgentJ87 | also do i need ot be in root for me to put the command in |
| 22:58.28 | AgentJ87 | ? |
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| 22:59.04 | fbi | uh, i could have sworn 3.1 _was_ the current stable |
| 22:59.06 | tr1gg3r | meriad, i forget that exact reason but when u log in to smb u dont login as a user in /etc/passwd u are logged in as the user u are in smb |
| 22:59.10 | whatever | peterS: interesting |
| 22:59.12 | AgentJ87 | anyone? |
| 22:59.15 | jshoenberger | AgentJ87, to modify the write permissions on a file, you must logged in as one who has permissions to change the file :D The easiest way it just logging in as root |
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| 22:59.28 | AgentJ87 | ok |
| 22:59.33 | AgentJ87 | im logged in as root |
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| 22:59.59 | jshoenberger | You're trying to... Overwrite a file |
| 23:00.00 | jshoenberger | ? |
| 23:00.05 | AgentJ87 | yep |
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| 23:00.15 | AgentJ87 | i edited now im tryin to save |
| 23:00.19 | jshoenberger | Ah! |
| 23:00.22 | peterS | whatever: punch in '37 39 50 N 97 18 16 W' into google maps and you can stalk me with the click of a button |
| 23:00.23 | AgentJ87 | but it said i dindt have [permission |
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| 23:00.38 | jshoenberger | you edited a file that you didn't have permissions to edit |
| 23:00.41 | fbi | AgentJ87: you got message as root? and what file are you editing |
| 23:00.46 | peterS | amazing what technology allows |
| 23:00.47 | AgentJ87 | not as root |
| 23:00.49 | AgentJ87 | as another user |
| 23:00.58 | jshoenberger | You're using Vim? |
| 23:01.01 | AgentJ87 | but i have root axx |
| 23:01.09 | AgentJ87 | vim? |
| 23:01.12 | jshoenberger | ah |
| 23:01.19 | jshoenberger | I live in text world >.< |
| 23:01.22 | fbi | i don't think it matters what editor he is using. |
| 23:01.29 | fbi | AgentJ87: what file are you editing? |
| 23:01.32 | AgentJ87 | yea i useded vi |
| 23:01.36 | jshoenberger | ah! |
| 23:01.37 | AgentJ87 | iroffer config |
| 23:01.40 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 23:01.48 | positron | how i can determine which version of XFree86 does debian offer via apt-get ? |
| 23:01.49 | pavlix | hi people |
| 23:01.53 | jshoenberger | well, you have two options, you can :q! and exit out, su to root and make the changes again |
| 23:01.59 | fbi | AgentJ87: i don't know what that is, but if it's owned by root of course you can't edit it as a user. |
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| 23:02.11 | benjamindees | positron, apt-cache show xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:02.13 | AgentJ87 | ok |
| 23:02.18 | pavlix | is it possible to install kid templates for python2.4 on debian? |
| 23:02.23 | AgentJ87 | but how as root |
| 23:02.29 | pavlix | i didn't find any such package |
| 23:02.33 | AgentJ87 | can i chmod on file |
| 23:02.34 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 23:02.55 | benjamindees | do I need to use something other than apt to upgrade from woody to sarge? |
| 23:03.01 | fbi | AgentJ87: you shouldn't have to. sudo vi /foo |
| 23:03.10 | csch | Crissi: I apt-get update but still not found quanta |
| 23:03.11 | positron | benjamindees: ok thanks. why there is not 4.5 any idea? it has released march 2005. theres 4.3 |
| 23:03.11 | csch | :S |
| 23:03.18 | meriad | gr |
| 23:03.18 | Crissi | any hinty why ldapsearch doesnt work at testing? |
| 23:03.19 | pavlix | I know package kid, but that's obviously for python2.3 (the default) |
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| 23:03.47 | benjamindees | positron, what branch are you using? stable/testing? |
| 23:03.50 | Crissi | csch: have you entered the line i have pasted in /etc/apt/sources.list and run 'apt-get update'? |
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| 23:03.59 | Crissi | also try to search kdewebdev |
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| 23:04.07 | kino | are there any docs for wpa_supplicant.conf ? how do you set it up for WEP |
| 23:04.14 | positron | benjamindees: stable. but i could think that they offer 4.5 cos its about a year old or so |
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| 23:04.15 | benjamindees | positron, actually it's been replaced with xorg since then |
| 23:04.28 | tr1gg3r | positron, they moved to xorg in later releases |
| 23:04.30 | benjamindees | positron, that isn't how stable works... security updates only |
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| 23:04.55 | positron | ohh |
| 23:05.18 | johnny06 | i am having a hard time to open a w2k share through nautilis on a debian sarge ' You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network & from a fedora box with the same way it works fine,is there any reason |
| 23:05.21 | positron | apt-cache search xorg doesent show anything |
| 23:05.38 | fbi | positron: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 23:05.49 | benjamindees | positron, upgrade to testing or ask dpkg about backports |
| 23:05.50 | pavlix | nobody using python2.4 with kid here? |
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| 23:05.53 | fbi | positron: the package is named xserver-xorg |
| 23:05.55 | tr1gg3r | positron, xorg is not in stable u need unstable or maybe testinf sources for it |
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| 23:06.04 | fbi | tr1gg3r: wrong. there are backports. |
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| 23:06.15 | fbi | !xorg sarge |
| 23:06.15 | dpkg | it has been said that xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 23:06.17 | kspath | I already have 3 Debian x86 machines and 1 Debian PPC machine personally I also have a Gentoo box but I was thinking of wiping because I need to build my skillz on server OSs |
| 23:06.23 | tr1gg3r | fbi, oh well then u a backport repos then |
| 23:06.23 | fbi | what the hell? |
| 23:06.30 | fbi | !factinfo xorg sarge |
| 23:06.30 | dpkg | xorg sarge -- last modified at Sat Dec 24 06:29:24 2005 by sanxiyn!n=tinuviel@222.233.187.63. |
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| 23:06.33 | fbi | jesus |
| 23:06.35 | whatever | kspath: yo dude. |
| 23:06.41 | noideaatall | hello can some one help how to use the m4 macro processor please ? |
| 23:07.06 | peterS | noideaatall: it comes with lots of docs |
| 23:07.12 | positron | but i sure can install xfree86 4.5 from sources |
| 23:07.15 | peterS | noideaatall: /usr/share/doc/m4/examples/ is rather large too |
| 23:07.24 | fbi | dpkg: forget xorg sarge |
| 23:07.43 | noideaatall | peterS: i just want to add a FEATURE to sendmail.cf using it .mc file |
| 23:07.50 | noideaatall | and not sure how to do it |
| 23:07.55 | peterS | noideaatall: then you're not asking about m4 you're asking about sendmail |
| 23:08.14 | kspath | whatever: yo ? |
| 23:08.15 | noideaatall | its sendmails m4 |
| 23:08.15 | noideaatall | hehe |
| 23:08.23 | whatever | kspath: like "hello" but "yo" |
| 23:08.24 | noideaatall | the question is that i dont know how to use |
| 23:08.29 | peterS | noideaatall: no, it's sendmail's configuration file. it happens to use m4, but there are lots of things you can use m4 for that don't involve sendmail at all |
| 23:08.29 | stew | fbi: what was wrong with that factoid? |
| 23:08.42 | noideaatall | i know , |
| 23:08.49 | positron | i dont like this outdated shit debian philosophy. but i still like debian :/ |
| 23:08.52 | noideaatall | but i assume they all use the same syntax on the coomand |
| 23:08.56 | noideaatall | something like m4 file file file |
| 23:09.05 | noideaatall | i dont know .... |
| 23:09.06 | fbi | stew: nothing, i didn't know the nobse url was down |
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| 23:09.13 | peterS | noideaatall: I'm suggesting that checking the sendmail docs is much more likely to be instructive than checking m4 docs. sendmail has its own procedure for updating the config file from new m4 source files. |
| 23:09.23 | grendal_prime | this is making me crazy |
| 23:09.27 | noideaatall | ok, ty |
| 23:09.34 | peterS | noideaatall: if I could remember what its procedure is, I would tell you, but I don't, so I won't |
| 23:09.36 | grendal_prime | i8k utils...there is no proc files? |
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| 23:09.55 | noideaatall | lol. yeah i thank you very much for not telling me then .... he |
| 23:09.57 | kspath | whatever: this is just barely on topic because I already said I have 3 Debian x86s and 1 Debian PPC but I was thinking of wiping a Gentoo box and going with Linux from Scratch do you know of another version to play with to help get a job? I already also have FBSD OBSD and CentOS machines |
| 23:10.05 | noideaatall | better not to if its going to be wrong |
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| 23:10.58 | whatever | gosh, what the heck, talk about old debian packages. -=frown=- grr. |
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| 23:11.05 | whatever | yarrr |
| 23:11.18 | whatever | kspath: hmmm. |
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| 23:11.43 | thingfish | kspath: sounds like you've got your bases covered. Now go and get some fab glamour shots taken of you to include in your portfolio, and you'll be set! |
| 23:11.47 | stew | fbi: nobse runs backports.org |
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| 23:12.18 | fbi | stew: i know. the old factoid gave a direct link to a url that had the repositories for xorg right on the page, which was pretty self explanatory. |
| 23:12.31 | whatever | kspath: I think understanding the concepts of how *nux works in general is more important than how familliar you are with a distro. ..its easy to learn that on the fly. |
| 23:12.36 | thingfish | I'm tempted to try OO.o2 from backports, but I hate to corrupt my nice sarge install. |
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| 23:13.32 | kspath | whatever: ummm I actually went to a job place that asked me to install Redhat 7 from CD and then apache modssl not from CD and several other things |
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| 23:13.48 | thingfish | redhat 7? |
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| 23:13.54 | whatever | kspath: talk about old, wow |
| 23:13.55 | kspath | yes |
| 23:14.00 | kspath | scary |
| 23:14.03 | whatever | kspath: I'd scorn them for using it in the first place |
| 23:14.03 | thingfish | I would've laughed in their faces. |
| 23:14.16 | Eno_ | Is there a way of making my screen go black after a certain amount of time without using screensaver programs such as xscreensaver or xautolock? |
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| 23:14.30 | meriad | i fucking hate samba |
| 23:14.34 | fbi | Eno_: it should already do that |
| 23:14.41 | d0uglas | how can i shut off whatever's nagging me about CPU temps being above thresholds and subsequently slowing down the chip? |
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| 23:14.47 | kspath | whatever: not sure if they used it or if they were just testing me |
| 23:14.47 | SkArFaCe | !demudi SkArFaCe |
| 23:14.48 | Eno_ | fbi: Ah... |
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| 23:15.06 | whatever | d0uglas: I only told you the cpu temp cause you seemed interested |
| 23:15.19 | thingfish | d0uglas: umm, maybe get adequate cooling for your cpu? |
| 23:15.25 | kspath | I almost hate DeadRat so I got very nervous and could not complete their bizarre test in time |
| 23:15.36 | d0uglas | 2.4 didn't whine about this |
| 23:15.40 | Pedro420 | nvz: are you around? |
| 23:15.57 | whatever | kspath: ....what, did they have a gun to your head and a chick in your lap too? |
| 23:16.06 | thingfish | well that's about when I started with red hat, around 7. |
| 23:16.09 | whatever | "you've got 60 seconds!" |
| 23:16.17 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:16.51 | whatever | thingfish: thats kind of ironic.... swordfish, thingfish. |
| 23:17.18 | thingfish | that was pre-thingfish :) |
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| 23:17.40 | whatever | a fun movie none the less |
| 23:17.59 | Eno_ | fbi: How does it know when to not turn black? Does mplayer shut it off? |
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| 23:18.49 | fbi | Eno_: as far as i know, nothing shuts it off, when i watch dvds in totem i have to hit the spacebar every fifteen minutes to get the picture back, even in full screen |
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| 23:19.05 | grendal_prime | hey thingfish im having problems with i8k.o what can you tell me about it? |
| 23:19.15 | fbi | Eno_: i'm sure there is a setting to prevent the screen from blanking but i like the fact that it does that |
| 23:19.21 | Eno_ | fbi: Hmm. I watched a movie yesterday and that didn't happen. |
| 23:19.25 | grendal_prime | it is supposed to be already compiled into the 2.6 kernel |
| 23:19.39 | positron | why not use mplayer? |
| 23:19.39 | fbi | Eno_: that may not be true for all video players, totem still blanks out |
| 23:19.44 | positron | or vlc |
| 23:19.52 | grendal_prime | but there are no proc files for it and everytime i try and do anthing with it it errors..telling me....well there are no proc files for it |
| 23:20.09 | thingfish | grendal_prime: is this a stock debian kernel? |
| 23:20.29 | grendal_prime | also the module does not load least thats what modprobe tells me |
| 23:20.31 | grendal_prime | ya stock |
| 23:20.39 | nukeskyjmpr | argh... whats a fast US mirror |
| 23:20.59 | thingfish | grendal_prime: sorry, dude, no idea. |
| 23:21.04 | grendal_prime | fk |
| 23:21.04 | d0uglas | don't mirrors operate at the speed of light? |
| 23:21.07 | d0uglas | HAHAHA |
| 23:21.13 | nukeskyjmpr | if only |
| 23:21.17 | fbi | nukeskyjmpr: apt-get install apt-spy |
| 23:21.29 | nukeskyjmpr | fbi: ah, forgot the name. much thanks |
| 23:21.39 | peterS | d0uglas: yeah but the speed of light is affected by the medium it is travelling through. so some mirrors might still be faster than others |
| 23:22.24 | whatever | nukeskyjmpr: mirrors.kernel.org |
| 23:22.24 | d0uglas | peterS: you mean the speed changes based on the altitude of the mirror? Like sound? |
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| 23:22.47 | peterS | d0uglas: yes. unless the mirror is in a chamber with artificial pressure, like a vacuum or something |
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| 23:23.04 | positron | do i get into problems if i switch to testing or unstable? |
| 23:23.10 | benjamindees | so, if I'm upgrading from woody->sarge, do I really upgrade to sarge's aptitude first, and install a new apt and libc with it? |
| 23:23.15 | whatever | positron: I like unstable better. |
| 23:23.25 | d0uglas | positron: nah, go for it |
| 23:23.31 | peterS | benjamindees: I'd recommend that. don't know if it's required. |
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| 23:23.33 | benjamindees | positron, you definitely might |
| 23:23.42 | peterS | benjamindees: then use 'aptitude dist-upgrade' after that |
| 23:23.48 | positron | :D |
| 23:23.51 | fbi | !woody->sarge |
| 23:23.57 | d0uglas | Johnny Raincloud over here |
| 23:23.58 | whatever | peterS: dosen't it automatically know not to update packages unless the appropriate level of apt is installed? |
| 23:24.03 | fbi | didn't there used to be a factoid for that |
| 23:24.03 | benjamindees | fbi, I have the release notes |
| 23:24.07 | fbi | ok |
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| 23:24.17 | benjamindees | !upgrade sarge |
| 23:24.21 | peterS | whatever: only if packages sport a pre-dependency on a given apt version. which packages probably never do. |
| 23:24.29 | benjamindees | !sarge upgrade |
| 23:24.29 | dpkg | somebody said sarge upgrade was the recommended way to upgrade your system to stable. It is documented in the official release notes, found here. http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/index.en.html |
| 23:24.32 | whatever | bleh |
| 23:24.35 | positron | is unstable more or less secure? |
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| 23:24.40 | peterS | whatever: the upgrade problem is much more of a whole-system thing, not a matter of what individual package upgrades would do |
| 23:24.44 | whatever | positron: of course |
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| 23:25.21 | kracho | [03 Jan 06] Due to the yearly changing of the Debian archive key, all network-based instalation methods using etch beta 1 and above are currently broken. |
| 23:25.24 | kracho | when will this change? |
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| 23:25.32 | peterS | whatever: the basic problem is that package interrelationships get very complex when you're upgrading a whole system by 3 years of development at once. newer tools cope with this situation better than older tools do. |
| 23:25.38 | Shade[EX-Beta] | hi |
| 23:25.50 | benjamindees | peterS, libc too? |
| 23:26.02 | peterS | benjamindees: well, the new aptitude will need it, so it'll pull it in automatically |
| 23:26.10 | whatever | peterS: makes sense that I've never run into problems with it since I purpousefully only use unstable |
| 23:26.22 | peterS | whatever: right |
| 23:26.29 | Shade-sh | anybody out there who had experience with 2 network cards in a sarge system? |
| 23:26.37 | peterS | Shade-sh: what about it? |
| 23:26.39 | thingfish | you will run into problems. actually, more like, they're run into you. |
| 23:26.40 | whatever | Shade-sh: whats the problem? |
| 23:26.48 | kino | is there a place I can put my own custom rc scripts? without mixing them with the system's |
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| 23:26.55 | thingfish | *they'll |
| 23:27.00 | thingfish | sheesh |
| 23:27.09 | thingfish | one bourbon and coke, and the typing goes to hell. |
| 23:27.17 | Shade-sh | my problem is, that 2 cards where identified by dmesg, messages and ifconfig with different MAC adresses.... |
| 23:27.22 | peterS | use more bourbon and less coke, the problem will go away again |
| 23:27.25 | Shade-sh | but all clients see only one |
| 23:27.26 | whatever | thingfish: wow, good thing you didn't have any jack. |
| 23:27.31 | thingfish | hehe I like your thinking, peterS! |
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| 23:27.41 | peterS | not that I'm opposed to coke, mind you |
| 23:27.44 | hammerabi | am I imagining it, or is google's logo in braille today? |
| 23:27.47 | thingfish | jack? that's tennessee whiskey, not bourbon. |
| 23:27.53 | Shade-sh | eth0 and eth1 had a different ip and setting in interfaces |
| 23:27.58 | whatever | hammerabi: yep, either that, or you need to go to the eye doctor |
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| 23:28.06 | d0uglas | thingfish is right |
| 23:28.12 | whatever | thingfish: exactly. |
| 23:28.12 | doleyb | hammerabi: what does it feel like? |
| 23:28.16 | thingfish | I also refuse to buy JD since they dropped the proof to 80. |
| 23:28.19 | peterS | !qotd16 |
| 23:28.19 | dpkg | <Guerin> JVaughn: it's probably bourbon. bourbon and whiskey are different like knoppix and debian. |
| 23:28.31 | peterS | one of my favorites |
| 23:28.33 | SkArFaCe | can someone help me mount a cd burner or a cd rom on demudi, cant find help anywhere else |
| 23:28.42 | d0uglas | it's like calling their customer base a bunch of pussies |
| 23:28.46 | whatever | thingfish: they did?? and its expensive as hell too. |
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| 23:29.11 | whatever | hey, lets bust out some moonshine. |
| 23:29.12 | Shade-sh | my windows workstation is getting lost the connection in timeintervals of around 5minutes... because the two ip adresses had the same MAC adress assigned... :| |
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| 23:29.28 | whatever | Shade-sh: why do they have the same IP |
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| 23:29.31 | Shade-sh | ifconfig says eth0 and eth1 correctly |
| 23:29.35 | thingfish | whatever: they claim their customers prefer it. hah. it's just a ploy to squeeze more money out of the same batch. |
| 23:29.35 | Shade-sh | not the same |
| 23:29.39 | Shade-sh | the same subnet |
| 23:29.44 | Shade-sh | with different ip's |
| 23:30.00 | whatever | gosh, I need braile at this rate, I can't read |
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| 23:30.08 | Shade-sh | every client is seeing only one MAC adress |
| 23:30.25 | Shade-sh | whatever ip is used... |
| 23:30.33 | juan | o |
| 23:30.39 | Shade-sh | so i had to empty the cache |
| 23:30.43 | Shade-sh | everytime... |
| 23:30.46 | Shade-sh | it's boring :| |
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| 23:31.03 | Shade-sh | +arp cache ;) |
| 23:31.05 | whatever | peterS: ....my right eye is twitching continuously.... that can't be a good sign, right? |
| 23:31.22 | Shade-sh | löl |
| 23:31.35 | meriad | how do I connect to a samba share |
| 23:31.40 | peterS | whatever: probably not a good sign. check the google splash logo, maybe you can read that better |
| 23:31.45 | whatever | lol |
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| 23:32.10 | Shade-sh | hm so andybody know's this "network problem" ? |
| 23:32.12 | d0uglas | meriad: the komba2 front end makes it easier, yo. |
| 23:32.12 | meriad | god i hate samba |
| 23:32.14 | Shade-sh | -d |
| 23:32.15 | whatever | I can see it now 3D interactive LCD screens that rise for braile users |
| 23:32.21 | meriad | d0uglas- seriously cool |
| 23:32.24 | whatever | actually, that'd be sweet |
| 23:32.29 | peterS | meriad: you said that already. those of us who have spent time hacking on samba in the past aren't really amused |
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| 23:32.31 | thingfish | and for porn addicts, too. |
| 23:32.36 | whatever | oh gosh |
| 23:32.40 | whatever | groping the screen |
| 23:32.45 | thingfish | you know it, baby! |
| 23:32.48 | whatever | .... |
| 23:32.52 | meriad | peterS- samba sucks ass |
| 23:32.53 | thingfish | gimme some o that! |
| 23:32.54 | fbi | whatever: there's already something better. http://leb.net/blinux/ |
| 23:32.58 | whatever | you're not allowed near any of my computers |
| 23:33.05 | whatever | meriad: samba is awesome |
| 23:33.13 | SkArFaCe | samba? |
| 23:33.16 | peterS | meriad: please feel free to either come up with something constructive as an alternative to samba, or complain somewhere else |
| 23:33.26 | SkArFaCe | can i get help mounting cd drives |
| 23:33.33 | whatever | thingfish: electricity sucks ass! |
| 23:33.42 | XnetUser215 | replace samba by iscsi and ocfs2 8-) |
| 23:33.49 | meriad | samba sucks as |
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| 23:33.49 | meriad | ass. |
| 23:33.56 | d0uglas | SkArFaCe: you gotta be more specific in your question.. |
| 23:33.57 | meriad | whatever- samba isnt awesome, its insecure, obsecure, and poorly desgined |
| 23:34.06 | fbi | SkArFaCe: this is #debian, not #demudi |
| 23:34.07 | peterS | !ops meriad not in a constructive mood |
| 23:34.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: meriad not in a constructive mood |
| 23:34.18 | meriad | peterS- wang |
| 23:34.20 | thingfish | hehe peterS |
| 23:34.28 | SkArFaCe | well i want to burn a iso cd and when im ready to write the cd theres no selectable devices |
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| 23:34.33 | whatever | meriad: ....the entire point of samba is to replacate windows services..... if you even understood the basis of why its around, well, gee, then you'd bitch about windows.....now wouldn't we |
| 23:34.46 | thingfish | that's classic: "not in a constructive mood" |
| 23:34.48 | meriad | whatever- well you obviously have it all figured out |
| 23:34.49 | SkArFaCe | yes i know, i cant get no help anywhere else |
| 23:34.49 | RichiH | meriad: ah, come on, cool down |
| 23:34.55 | meriad | RichiH- im fine :) |
| 23:35.00 | meriad | RichiH- do you see me yelling? |
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| 23:35.10 | fbi | SkArFaCe: that's not #debian's problem. install Debian and you'll get better support. |
| 23:35.23 | doleyb | meriad: do you think nfs is well-designed? |
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| 23:35.36 | SkArFaCe | im getting to that |
| 23:35.37 | RichiH | meriad: no, but ranting and making the channel feel uncomfortable ;) |
| 23:35.45 | SkArFaCe | lol i need to burn that iso cd first |
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| 23:35.55 | Shade-sh | netzwerk1 (192.168.1.4) auf 00:0E:0C:71:6F:2D [ether] auf eth0 - netzwerk2 (192.168.1.5) auf 00:0E:0C:71:6F:2D [ether] auf eth0 - The second address should be eth1... ifconfig says it correctly but every client see's only eth0's mac... how can this be? |
| 23:36.05 | whatever | I still think we should get rid of electricity, it is the focal point of all corruption in our society. |
| 23:36.09 | meriad | doleyb- nfs is insecure |
| 23:36.12 | Gnea | meriad: it's only as secure as the person admining it makes it out to be |
| 23:36.19 | meriad | Gnea- ok fine |
| 23:36.22 | meriad | bah |
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| 23:36.24 | common | doleyb: the slight difference between nfs and samba is time to get it working |
| 23:36.27 | Gnea | heh |
| 23:36.29 | Gnea | well that hwas simple |
| 23:36.33 | Frankablu | whatever: Yeah we should switch to light/fibre optic based technology! |
| 23:36.35 | common | nfs is easier to setup, and more fun (with me) |
| 23:36.35 | peterS | I'll *so* miss him. wait, no I won't. |
| 23:36.41 | Frankablu | whatever: :p |
| 23:36.50 | Shade-sh | ok nobody know's... |
| 23:36.58 | Shade-sh | bye nice night :) |
| 23:37.02 | whatever | frankablu: isn't that still using electrons? XD |
| 23:37.27 | common | Shade-sh: you can't run 2 nics in one netmasks segment |
| 23:37.27 | whatever | frankablu: we need to use the power of our MINDS! :O |
| 23:37.58 | whatever | common: you can't? |
| 23:38.00 | Frankablu | whatever: Ahhh cyber implants! Got ya |
| 23:38.12 | common | can you whatever? |
| 23:38.41 | whatever | common: I thought you could, usually the problem is transversing subnets, at least from what I've seen, as routing gateways has always been a pain for me. |
| 23:39.13 | common | i think you miss a important point |
| 23:39.20 | whatever | I tend to do that. |
| 23:39.25 | common | "Shade-sh has quit ("« Ë×Çü®§îöñX » Info~[v10B.3.1]~ Released~[November 24 2005]~ Channel~[#Exc")" |
| 23:39.47 | common | do you really want to spend your time explaining him howto get it done? |
| 23:39.57 | common | it does not work out of the box, so it does not work |
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| 23:40.25 | whatever | dude, you just set them to different eth devices, and either do auto addressing or manual. :P |
| 23:40.31 | benjamindees | what happened to abiword-gtk in sarge? |
| 23:40.44 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: What's going on man you there? |
| 23:41.32 | streuner | !seen deadcat |
| 23:41.33 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian (2d 22h 12m 18s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 12h 56m 59s |
| 23:41.36 | common | whatever: he had 2 eth devices |
| 23:41.56 | whatever | common: hence eth0 and eth1. its not complex. |
| 23:42.06 | TwistedLappy | basterd... 2 days? |
| 23:42.15 | Cobain | im trying to install slash but it doesn't seem to be unpacking the archive. i keep getting missing files i.e. /usr/share/images/*.gif |
| 23:42.15 | common | got a ref where i can look howto get it done? |
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| 23:42.34 | d0uglas | do machines run cooler with the box open or does that lose the vacuum effect of the power supply fan more than it would otherwise help |
| 23:42.46 | common | d0uglas: cooler |
| 23:42.47 | whatever | common: just mimmick your settings for the first eth device in /etc/network/ ....something. |
| 23:42.52 | stew | d0uglas: depends on the box |
| 23:42.56 | Cobain | does anyone know much about slash? |
| 23:43.07 | whatever | d0uglas: what stew said |
| 23:43.15 | d0uglas | right.. |
| 23:43.17 | common | btx may be warmer open |
| 23:43.26 | common | atx cooler in generell |
| 23:43.29 | thingfish | I have always used open cases. |
| 23:43.51 | d0uglas | i never put my guitar in a case |
| 23:43.55 | whatever | d0uglas: if you have fans in front and back, then closed will most likely be better |
| 23:43.57 | stew | d0uglas: the more active cooling you have the cooler it will probably run, the more passive cooling the warmer, since passive cooling depends on airflow which is decreased with an open box |
| 23:44.00 | thingfish | I think it helps with cooling. But the drawback is, more rapid accumulation of crud on the cpu heatsink. |
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| 23:44.23 | whatever | thingfish: gosh, that sucks dosen't it. |
| 23:44.34 | thingfish | d0uglas: you don't put your guitar away properly? |
| 23:44.37 | d0uglas | i didn't know this would get so interesting |
| 23:45.07 | whatever | you um....hethen. :o |
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| 23:45.28 | d0uglas | nope, i want the guitar out and available immediately when i have a spontaneous whim to play it. I'm not gonna resell it so i dont mind scratches, and the humidity issue, ... what ya gonna do. |
| 23:45.44 | thingfish | d0uglas: electric, solid body? |
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| 23:46.00 | d0uglas | an 89 guild acoustic |
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| 23:46.12 | whatever | gosh my eye is still twitching |
| 23:46.15 | andax | when using dual-head how can I set different wallpapers for the two displays? (sarge, gnome 2.8, ati card with fglrx) |
| 23:46.18 | whatever | I must be stressed as hell right now |
| 23:46.20 | Maynard1 | hey pipeline, you here? |
| 23:46.23 | thingfish | my left eye did that for the longest time. |
| 23:46.28 | zeballin3 | What is process for leaving etch and moving to sid. I need OO2 and its not in testing. |
| 23:46.29 | thingfish | irritating as hell. |
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| 23:46.42 | thingfish | It means you're going crazy, you realize that, don't you? |
| 23:46.50 | whatever | I know, makes me wonder if I look paranoid with the eye twitch. |
| 23:47.00 | whatever | I should make weird noises too |
| 23:47.00 | thingfish | or like some drug addict. |
| 23:47.04 | whatever | "wrraaa" |
| 23:47.15 | thingfish | yeah, tourette's type noises. |
| 23:47.18 | csch | Crissi: I did what you say |
| 23:47.25 | d0uglas | put some of your cocaine on your eyeball area and look up and down and left and right a lot... |
| 23:47.35 | d0uglas | fentanyl would be ideal |
| 23:47.36 | csch | but when I try to install quanta says that there is broken packages |
| 23:47.55 | whatever | .... can I substitute it for baking soda? |
| 23:48.07 | d0uglas | you know that is a good question. |
| 23:48.21 | whatever | that might burn just a bit |
| 23:48.44 | whatever | ....and what the HECK do you bake with it anyways. |
| 23:48.53 | kspath | might scratch your eye/lenses and indirectly cause infection |
| 23:49.05 | d0uglas | you bake the stink out of your fridge? ... to be figurative |
| 23:49.13 | whatever | :P |
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| 23:51.45 | d0uglas | c'mon people, stir it up |
| 23:52.06 | whatever | "moo" |
| 23:52.24 | thingfish | !moo |
| 23:52.24 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:52.31 | d0uglas | well that's a start |
| 23:52.42 | whatever | apt-get moo |
| 23:52.49 | d0uglas | lol |
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| 23:53.12 | thingfish | If we were all rich, we could all convene at some pre-arranged party spot and have a wild time. |
| 23:53.12 | whatever | !dpkg moo |
| 23:53.13 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 23:53.34 | thingfish | the ! in combination with 'dpkg' is redundant. |
| 23:53.36 | whatever | thingfish: I'm not getting near anyone who would consider putting baking soda in their eye |
| 23:53.49 | thingfish | who's talking about doing that. |
| 23:53.58 | d0uglas | that's crazy talk |
| 23:54.04 | thingfish | yay-es! |
| 23:54.07 | thingfish | it is. |
| 23:54.10 | whatever | "everybodys doing it" |
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| 23:54.53 | d0uglas | there's nothing in the Bible that prohibits its practice |
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| 23:55.27 | whatever | I'm even more concerned if you bothered to look it up |
| 23:55.43 | thingfish | hah. I don't need to. |
| 23:55.47 | kracho | [03 Jan 06] Due to the yearly changing of the Debian archive key, all network-based instalation methods using etch beta 1 and above are currently broken. |
| 23:55.50 | kracho | when will this change |
| 23:56.01 | d0uglas | all right a question here we go. |
| 23:56.04 | whatever | why do people keep asking that |
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| 23:56.17 | thingfish | kracho: /topic |
| 23:56.22 | dondelelcaro | kracho: when the key is updated or the bug in apt that is causing it to do that is fixed. See /topic. |
| 23:56.30 | thingfish | oh wait, nm. I'm buzzed. |
| 23:56.37 | whatever | see /hentai |
| 23:56.41 | whatever | oh, I mean. |
| 23:56.42 | thingfish | now, see. |
| 23:56.45 | kracho | bad ass topic |
| 23:56.49 | thingfish | skonfuzilsa. |
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| 23:57.14 | whatever | I wonder if thats actually a keyword |
| 23:57.16 | whatever | !hentai |
| 23:57.19 | whatever | aw, boo. its not. |
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| 23:58.17 | whatever | so, you just killed a bunch of high chicks? |
| 23:58.24 | thingfish | hah |
| 23:58.24 | whatever | gosh, wtf. |
| 23:58.33 | d0uglas | anyone ever use lesbian debian? |
| 23:58.36 | Fluten | does the filesystem in linux ever get fragmented like fatxx/ntfs on windows? |
| 23:58.42 | d0uglas | with porn-get? |
| 23:58.42 | thingfish | no, I mean toast as in 'raise a drink to'. |
| 23:58.44 | whatever | is that actually a product?!?! |
| 23:59.03 | whatever | lol |
| 23:59.05 | kracho | I suppose apt-key is not available on the netinstall cd ? :\ |
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| 23:59.11 | grendal_prime | humm dondelelcaro is there a word for ....shitty pkg that does not make correct entrys iinto /proc for my laptop cooling fans? |
| 23:59.12 | whatever | I did a search on google for: lesbian debian |
| 23:59.30 | thingfish | tsk |
| 23:59.36 | thingfish | that's juvenile. |
| 23:59.39 | d0uglas | lesbian.mine.nu |
| 23:59.48 | thingfish | hehe we know that person. |
