| 00:00.06 | *** part/#debian ShPAGA (n=ShPAGA@dialup84103-151.ip.PeterStar.net) |
| 00:00.06 | thingfish | now if I, in my inebriated state, can just remember who... |
| 00:00.06 | streuner | grendal_prime: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 00:00.10 | d0uglas | streuner? |
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| 00:00.17 | d0uglas | i mean spectre |
| 00:00.25 | kspath | lol some people change their files from .html to .php and the links around the world still point to .html versions oh well |
| 00:00.43 | whatever | kspath: to what avail? |
| 00:00.54 | grendal_prime | Linux version 2.6.8-2-686 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 |
| 00:01.19 | grendal_prime | streuner, that is what it says |
| 00:01.34 | whatever | lol! apt-get install unzip and kiss |
| 00:01.39 | whatever | apt-get install finger |
| 00:01.50 | whatever | and: apt-get install wine and sex |
| 00:02.03 | whatever | gosh, who comes up with this stuff |
| 00:02.09 | _rene_ | whatever: you know that "Linux is sexy" T-Shirt? |
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| 00:02.17 | _rene_ | .oO ( or was that UNIX? ) |
| 00:02.22 | whatever | dunno |
| 00:02.22 | thingfish | people just.like.you. |
| 00:02.32 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: packages don't make entries in /proc. Kernel modules do. |
| 00:02.36 | _rene_ | whatever: a long command with just commands like that making sense :) |
| 00:03.07 | grendal_prime | ahh..well this kernel module is supposed to be in the kernel already |
| 00:03.09 | whatever | _rene_: interesting |
| 00:03.18 | grendal_prime | but its not loading and i cant seem to get it to load |
| 00:03.25 | grendal_prime | i8k.o |
| 00:03.25 | thingfish | !MVP dondelelcaro |
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| 00:04.10 | _rene_ | whatever: http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/images/product_images/popup_images/ME80-521.jpg |
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| 00:04.39 | thingfish | Don't you wish you were rich, so you could buy all the DDs a hot-A car? |
| 00:04.41 | whatever | dare I...... |
| 00:05.05 | whatever | _rene_: nice! |
| 00:05.47 | whatever | more like linux is dirty |
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| 00:06.03 | thingfish | linux is morally clean. |
| 00:06.04 | ubunter | Hello to all |
| 00:06.07 | ubunter | greetings |
| 00:06.15 | soukihei | i love when the answer to my question is in the topic |
| 00:06.16 | d0uglas | not according to sco |
| 00:06.17 | ubunter | :) |
| 00:06.18 | whatever | greetz |
| 00:06.36 | thingfish | !win soukihei for reading the /topic. |
| 00:06.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, soukihei for reading the /topic.! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 00:06.51 | thingfish | !beer soukihei |
| 00:06.54 | ubunter | what's up |
| 00:06.58 | whatever | I'd give him lifesavers personally. |
| 00:07.09 | thingfish | we need a !champagne <somebody> |
| 00:07.09 | AgentJ87 | hey |
| 00:07.14 | d0uglas | hey |
| 00:07.23 | AgentJ87 | how do i change permissions for users |
| 00:07.38 | stew | !wikifaq AgentJ87 Permissions |
| 00:07.38 | dpkg | AgentJ87: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 00:07.39 | whatever | man chmod |
| 00:07.57 | dondelelcaro | or info coreutils 'File Permissions' |
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| 00:08.56 | whatever | darnit, I think I really did sneeze food up into my sinuses the other day |
| 00:08.58 | whatever | >_< |
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| 00:09.09 | whatever | this hurts like a bitch |
| 00:09.22 | thingfish | and here's what you can use for champagnes: a venerable Veuve Cliquot, a lovely Perrier-Jouet, a fine Dom Perignon |
| 00:09.59 | d0uglas | keep it real with the veuve cliquot.. most cost effective |
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| 00:10.40 | Seicherl | I can't get it... can anybody help me with mounting a sambashare on my client. plz. I don't know how to handle this error: "smbfs: mount_data version xxx is not supported"! Any suggestions? |
| 00:10.53 | thingfish | for me, as long as it's real french champagne, it can't be too bad. |
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| 00:11.12 | thingfish | and even some california sparkling wines are not bad at all. |
| 00:11.18 | dondelelcaro | real champagne often has the cost/taste ratio all backwards, unfortunatly. |
| 00:11.19 | thingfish | dondelelcaro: who made it? |
| 00:11.21 | d0uglas | true |
| 00:11.27 | grendal_prime | cold duck |
| 00:11.31 | thingfish | well, that *can* be true. |
| 00:11.33 | dondelelcaro | thingfish: I'll dig it up again... |
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| 00:11.41 | thingfish | !lart grendal_prime |
| 00:11.54 | d0uglas | the french like eating bunny rabbits |
| 00:12.02 | thingfish | well so do I. |
| 00:12.09 | thingfish | rabbit is wonderful. |
| 00:12.10 | teknoprep | !lose phogg |
| 00:12.11 | dpkg | phogg: You Lose. |
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| 00:12.17 | grendal_prime | they make obsession in murphys...pretty good stuff |
| 00:12.20 | teknoprep | phogg, lol |
| 00:12.30 | thingfish | have you ever had rabbit, d0uglas? |
| 00:12.30 | Seicherl | can anybody help me with mounting a sambashare? plz! |
| 00:12.35 | Tortel | my feet smell |
| 00:12.38 | grendal_prime | lightly carbed. a little on the sweet side but pretty good wine |
| 00:12.42 | d0uglas | yes it's good stuff |
| 00:12.46 | thingfish | ok |
| 00:12.50 | thingfish | yes, it's wonderful. |
| 00:12.56 | d0uglas | i was just being parenthetical |
| 00:12.59 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:13.05 | Tortel | 747! |
| 00:13.05 | grendal_prime | i like there red better, Expression |
| 00:13.06 | Tortel | woo |
| 00:13.22 | thingfish | !win d0uglas for using a word with more than 8 letters. |
| 00:13.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, d0uglas for using a word with more than 8 letters.! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 00:13.34 | stew | Seicherl: try cifs instead of smbfs |
| 00:13.57 | d0uglas | vintage aol cds? nice, now i might be able to get aol working with wine |
| 00:13.58 | Tortel | I want AOL CDs! |
| 00:14.16 | Seicherl | stew: wrong fstype again |
| 00:14.18 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 00:14.19 | grendal_prime | can't open /proc/i8k: No such file or directory |
| 00:14.26 | streuner | Tortel: ask a debian related question, please. |
| 00:14.27 | stew | Seicherl: ask #samba then |
| 00:14.41 | Seicherl | stew: ok. thx |
| 00:14.45 | thingfish | grendal_prime: perhaps some background and context will help the channel help you. |
| 00:14.57 | Tortel | no thanks, I enjoy making random comments |
| 00:15.19 | d0uglas | you gotta know Tortel just how far you can push these guys |
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| 00:15.26 | Tortel | :) |
| 00:15.26 | d0uglas | you crossed the line |
| 00:15.27 | yaaar | word |
| 00:15.31 | whatever | !win gerbil got baking soda in his eye |
| 00:15.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, gerbil got baking soda in his eye! You have won a one way ticket to Cuba! |
| 00:15.46 | molinero | good bye and ubuntu lives! |
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| 00:15.57 | Eulex | ... |
| 00:16.23 | Tortel | !win me |
| 00:16.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, tortel! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 00:16.24 | thingfish | gosh. we are so wounded by molinero's abrupt leaving and preceeding ejaculation. |
| 00:16.41 | whatever | clean it up. ew |
| 00:16.45 | streuner | Tortel: feel free to stay idle here |
| 00:17.15 | grendal_prime | hmmm ok well dell inspiron 1100 with an intel celleron. I bomed my testing installation a month ago after having a bunch of problems with it...installed stable and things seem to be just fine. I know the cooling fans come because i have heard them kick in. Iwould like to get the i8k.o module working though |
| 00:17.18 | thingfish | I should probably rein myself in, too, shouldn't I. |
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| 00:17.43 | thingfish | well, it's not a playground for little kids in here. |
| 00:17.57 | streuner | grendal_prime: what's that *HARD* to 'modprobe i8k'? |
| 00:18.03 | thingfish | even if we're boozing it, and it's "happy hour", we need to be professional. |
| 00:18.15 | whatever | thingfish: I never got the TPS report on that. ...must have been missing the new cover sheet. |
| 00:18.16 | thingfish | right, boys? |
| 00:18.58 | grendal_prime | streuner, ? |
| 00:19.27 | streuner | grendal_prime: so the module is loaded and what doesn't work? |
| 00:19.38 | grendal_prime | no the module is not loaded |
| 00:19.43 | grendal_prime | not that i can tell |
| 00:20.23 | streuner | what happens if you trying to modprobe it? |
| 00:20.23 | grendal_prime | FATAL: Module i8k.o not found. |
| 00:20.23 | grendal_prime | supposed to be in the kernel .. |
| 00:20.28 | streuner | with a 2.6.8 debian kernel, well. |
| 00:20.43 | grendal_prime | i hear 2.4 and up |
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| 00:20.53 | meyerbeer | hola |
| 00:21.01 | meyerbeer | has the official debian apt key changed? |
| 00:21.04 | streuner | grendal_prime: grep -i i8k /boot/config-2.6.8-blah-blah |
| 00:21.07 | stew | meyerbeer: /topic |
| 00:21.07 | grendal_prime | Linux bnmrover 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:21.08 | Eulex | !2006 key |
| 00:21.08 | dpkg | run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 00:21.13 | thingfish | grendal_prime: which kernel are you using? |
| 00:21.24 | whatever | hm, anyone here familliar with any good hardware encryption devices? |
| 00:21.26 | grendal_prime | Linux bnmrover 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:21.26 | streuner | official 2.6.8 sarge kernel |
| 00:21.27 | thingfish | oh nm |
| 00:21.33 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 00:22.08 | grendal_prime | CONFIG_I8K=m |
| 00:22.13 | streuner | grendal_prime: thats different what you told us before |
| 00:22.26 | grendal_prime | streuner, ? |
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| 00:22.41 | meyerbeer | hey thanks stew :) |
| 00:22.44 | meyerbeer | very nice |
| 00:23.00 | grendal_prime | streuner, what does the CONFIG_I8K=m mean? |
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| 00:23.06 | streuner | <grendal_prime> Linux version 2.6.8-2-686 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 |
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| 00:23.30 | streuner | grendal_prime: means that the module should be avaiable |
| 00:23.36 | grendal_prime | ya that was werid |
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| 00:23.40 | grendal_prime | where did i get that |
| 00:23.41 | grendal_prime | hold on |
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| 00:23.49 | thingfish | man, when I was a kid, they put like 100 papers in a package. now they put about 25. |
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| 00:24.12 | whatever | thingfish: package of what.... |
| 00:24.19 | grendal_prime | papers |
| 00:24.25 | whatever | -_- |
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| 00:24.31 | grendal_prime | there was 50 in the ones we got |
| 00:24.46 | grendal_prime | but alot only had 25 |
| 00:24.55 | grendal_prime | streuner, am i missing something here... |
| 00:25.06 | thingfish | capitalism is just so... |
| 00:25.18 | antibular | Cut the papers in half, then you will have 50. ;) |
| 00:25.21 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:25.23 | grendal_prime | i mean...if its available...am i just not loading it right? |
| 00:25.38 | grendal_prime | ya but then there small little rolls |
| 00:25.47 | grendal_prime | if you got fat fingers it tough |
| 00:26.38 | whatever | I dislike capitalism as well |
| 00:26.57 | Pingy | is that common amongst the Linux people? :S? |
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| 00:27.29 | thingfish | I'd say it's maybe more common among Debianites. |
| 00:27.33 | grendal_prime | most natural thing in the world |
| 00:27.42 | thingfish | Debian is very collective-oriented. |
| 00:27.46 | whatever | I'm normal! |
| 00:27.47 | Pingy | :S |
| 00:27.48 | whatever | .....crap. |
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| 00:28.21 | antibular | Do we have a better alternative to capitalism? |
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| 00:28.35 | whatever | antibular: hell, anything. |
| 00:28.37 | grendal_prime | ive been to countrys that dont have it...all corupt |
| 00:28.51 | Pingy | socialism? Monarchy? |
| 00:28.58 | whatever | anarchy |
| 00:29.00 | whatever | w00t |
| 00:29.01 | Pingy | :x |
| 00:29.02 | thingfish | "normal" is always in reference to a particular defined grouping. different grouping exist, and therefore so do different normals. |
| 00:29.09 | thingfish | *groupings |
| 00:29.12 | dondelelcaro | folks, #politics is that way... |
| 00:29.16 | Pingy | :S! |
| 00:29.21 | thingfish | sorry, dondelelcaro |
| 00:29.28 | whatever | thingfish: exactly, so I'm now normal in the context of debian/linux users |
| 00:29.31 | thingfish | I'm thinking it's Friday or something. |
| 00:29.40 | grendal_prime | nicaragua, honduras mexico. |
| 00:29.41 | Pingy | Furry Friday >_>; |
| 00:29.45 | grendal_prime | thingfish, its my friday |
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| 00:30.00 | thingfish | grendal_prime: cool for you! Enjoy. |
| 00:30.13 | grendal_prime | hey...how do i load module |
| 00:30.14 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 00:30.16 | dondelelcaro | thingfish: no problem; a discussion like you all were having is fine... it's just that political ideologies are often a source of flamewars... |
| 00:30.30 | thingfish | dondelelcaro: oh that's for sure. |
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| 00:30.51 | thingfish | just like talking about politics while drinking in a bar often leads to fistfights. |
| 00:30.57 | grendal_prime | Polititions can not be trusted...(thats what Oby wan kenobi says) |
| 00:31.09 | abrotman | thingfish: TBH .. lots of things while drinking lead to fistfights :) |
| 00:31.18 | grendal_prime | and the late great QwiGonJin |
| 00:31.29 | thingfish | abrotman: hehe 'tis the way of things, isn't it? |
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| 00:31.55 | thingfish | that's why it's best to stay home and get drunk. |
| 00:32.00 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:32.12 | Pingy | thingfish, so you can get in a fist fight with inanimate objects in your house? |
| 00:32.18 | thingfish | haha no |
| 00:32.21 | Pingy | :S |
| 00:32.27 | thingfish | here, it's all mellow, dude. :) |
| 00:32.32 | ryan` | what happened to packages.debian.org? |
| 00:32.37 | thingfish | just me and my kitties. |
| 00:32.38 | abrotman | he keeps beating up the fish |
| 00:32.41 | abrotman | ryan`: why? |
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| 00:32.54 | thingfish | tsk. I do. My poor fish need another tank. |
| 00:32.54 | abrotman | ryan`: it's there |
| 00:33.02 | thingfish | all that's left is some corydoras. |
| 00:33.03 | abrotman | ryan`: it's just down for a while :) |
| 00:33.08 | ryan` | abrotman.... |
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| 00:33.14 | abrotman | ryan`... |
| 00:33.14 | thingfish | I need to switch to salt water. |
| 00:33.27 | ryan` | abrotman, know when it will be fixed? |
| 00:33.29 | thingfish | I mean, clownfish will live through anything. |
| 00:33.30 | Pingy | salt water tanks are hard to take care of |
| 00:33.35 | Pingy | lots of maintinance |
| 00:33.35 | thingfish | not that hard. |
| 00:33.44 | abrotman | ryan`: WIR .. SIYH |
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| 00:33.54 | Pingy | my fish died during a power outage :/ |
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| 00:34.03 | thingfish | you get the chemicals and the test kits, no big deal. |
| 00:34.04 | abrotman | ryan`: what are you looking for ? |
| 00:34.16 | thingfish | oh well, that'll kill freshwater fish too, Pingy. |
| 00:34.28 | Pingy | :/! |
| 00:34.30 | abrotman | it'll kill old folks too :) |
| 00:34.35 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:34.36 | edsuom | The debian.org links to etch bittorrent downloads all seem broken...any alternatives known? |
| 00:34.38 | Pingy | no one likes old folks :x |
| 00:34.44 | ryan` | abrotman, trying to figure out what package the Find::File perl module lives in (it's not libfind-file-perl) |
| 00:34.48 | thingfish | aww sure we do. |
| 00:34.56 | abrotman | ryan`: do you know the name of the file you're looking for ? |
| 00:35.02 | grendal_prime | good god..i just ran /sbin/modprobe -l |
| 00:35.09 | Pingy | im only 23 years old, but I feel really old already :/ |
| 00:35.10 | grendal_prime | fills up the buffer |
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| 00:35.22 | grendal_prime | does that mean all of those are available modules? |
| 00:35.24 | ryan` | abrotman, should be somewhere as File/Find.pm, not exactly sure where. |
| 00:35.33 | Buddha| | Is there any way to tell apt-get to not upgrade the kernel unless I specifically tell it to? |
| 00:35.38 | thingfish | hah. I'm 48. Wait until you get there! |
| 00:35.40 | abrotman | !find File/Find.pm sarge |
| 00:35.42 | SimonRaven | /usr/share/perl5 |
| 00:35.51 | thingfish | I'm diggin' my grave already. |
| 00:35.54 | thingfish | :/ |
| 00:35.56 | Pingy | :O |
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| 00:35.59 | Pingy | :/ |
| 00:36.01 | ryan` | and apt-file dies on me |
| 00:36.01 | abrotman | !tell Buddha| about hold |
| 00:36.01 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:36.03 | ryan` | :'( |
| 00:36.08 | SimonRaven | 48 isn't old |
| 00:36.15 | thingfish | the hell it's not. |
| 00:36.22 | SimonRaven | 85 is |
| 00:36.28 | thingfish | well, true, really. |
| 00:36.31 | abrotman | perl-modules: usr/share/perl/5.8.7/File/Find.pm |
| 00:36.31 | abrotman | pugs-modules: usr/share/perl6/5.8/File/Find.pm |
| 00:36.40 | ryan` | ty |
| 00:36.41 | Pingy | people live to 90 healthy as ever :X |
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| 00:37.04 | thingfish | oh my folks are, I swear, going to live past 100. They are so healthy it's crazy. |
| 00:37.10 | Pingy | :O! |
| 00:37.13 | ryan` | hmmm |
| 00:37.14 | ryan` | wtf. |
| 00:37.27 | thingfish | it's like all they eat is olive oil, garlic, tomatoes, seafood, and vegetables. |
| 00:37.40 | Pingy | healthy diet :O |
| 00:37.56 | thingfish | I swear, there's stuff to the healthy diet thing. |
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| 00:38.21 | Pingy | yea |
| 00:38.28 | Pingy | also it is the portion of food you eat |
| 00:38.33 | thingfish | well, plus they exercise too, or at least mom does (treadmill). |
| 00:38.35 | d0uglas | i wonder which is more lethal to ingest, crude oil or gasoline |
| 00:38.36 | Pingy | some people can pack in so much food every day :/ |
| 00:38.43 | d0uglas | you'd think crude oil |
| 00:38.44 | thingfish | not me. |
| 00:38.56 | thingfish | I gain weight just looking at food. |
| 00:39.03 | SimonRaven | i'd think gasoline would kill faster |
| 00:39.04 | thingfish | I really have to watch it. |
| 00:39.04 | Pingy | high motabalism? |
| 00:39.07 | abrotman | d0uglas: what about cooking oil |
| 00:39.18 | abrotman | ingesting gasoline wont' kill you |
| 00:39.38 | d0uglas | Really. |
| 00:39.41 | Pingy | d0uglas, drink any thing in its purest form will kill you |
| 00:39.45 | d0uglas | does it get you drunk? |
| 00:39.48 | SimonRaven | it will when you light it :P |
| 00:39.54 | Pingy | I hear 100% pure cafine can kill pretty quick |
| 00:39.56 | abrotman | d0uglas: yes .. it does mess up your stomach .. but small amounts won't kill you |
| 00:39.56 | thingfish | d0uglas: you want to live. |
| 00:40.22 | d0uglas | Pingy: 60mg to be specific (if delivered in a fast form) |
| 00:40.33 | SimonRaven | Pingy: no, that'd be a low one |
| 00:40.43 | thingfish | people equate misery with not wanting to live. actually, what they want, is for the pain to stop. |
| 00:40.45 | Pingy | :O |
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| 00:41.24 | thingfish | can I be the linux chaplain? I want to be the linux chaplain. |
| 00:41.32 | Pingy | :S |
| 00:41.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'File/Find.pm' (1): (/usr/share/perl/5.8.4/File/Find.pm) in perl/perl-modules. |
| 00:41.43 | d0uglas | would drinking gasoline somewhat regularly make your farts even more flamable? |
| 00:41.52 | thingfish | tsk |
| 00:41.56 | SimonRaven | ffs dpkg you're slow today |
| 00:41.56 | petemc | your farts already are flamable |
| 00:42.02 | SimonRaven | duh |
| 00:42.06 | Pingy | gasoline is so expensive, why would you want to drink it? |
| 00:42.10 | d0uglas | yeah that's why i used the comparitive |
| 00:42.11 | thingfish | boy really |
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| 00:42.25 | d0uglas | Pingy: excellent point |
| 00:42.35 | petemc | d0uglas: eat more beans |
| 00:42.35 | d0uglas | but caviar's expensive too |
| 00:42.45 | thingfish | beans are SO good for you! |
| 00:42.45 | Pingy | caviar wont kill you tho |
| 00:42.56 | Pingy | nor cause things to burst into flames |
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| 00:43.04 | thingfish | oh please don't talk about caviar. you can't get it anymore in the U.S. |
| 00:43.12 | thingfish | did you hear? |
| 00:43.16 | streuner | Pingy: salt can |
| 00:43.22 | Pingy | :O |
| 00:43.27 | d0uglas | what if the eggs hatch inside of you and you suddenly got baby fish swimming around inside you? |
| 00:43.44 | nukeskyjmpr | d0uglas: sell videotapes of it. |
| 00:44.03 | SimonRaven | they wouldn't hatch... |
| 00:44.08 | thingfish | the WORLD said no more caviar exports from wherever it comes from. Well, real caviar, I mean - from sturgeons. |
| 00:44.20 | streuner | Pingy: but i don't think you can manage over caviar to get about 20-30 gr. salt ... |
| 00:44.26 | thingfish | so it's salmon caviar, or nothing, baby. |
| 00:45.03 | d0uglas | you a capers guy |
| 00:45.04 | d0uglas | ? |
| 00:45.05 | Pingy | :S |
| 00:45.09 | thingfish | ooh capers |
| 00:45.13 | thingfish | yes they're good. |
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| 00:45.24 | thingfish | I'm of italian extraction. |
| 00:45.29 | thingfish | I know about food. |
| 00:45.34 | abrotman | wait .. where's that story |
| 00:45.44 | d0uglas | so we got veuve cliquot, caviar and capers.. anything we want to add to this fantasy |
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| 00:45.51 | abrotman | thingfish: speaking italians .. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/01/04/italy.jesus.reut/index.html |
| 00:45.53 | d0uglas | served on a naked japanese chick |
| 00:45.55 | thingfish | raw oysters! |
| 00:45.57 | hackeron | our dedicated $400 per month T1 requires a gateway to work and ping times are significantly higher than standard ADSL, is this normal? |
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| 00:46.08 | thingfish | well, suit yourself. :/ |
| 00:46.39 | abrotman | hackeron: a gateway .. or a router ? |
| 00:46.41 | timday | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.41 | thingfish | I'd prefer on an olympic decathathelet, myself. |
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| 00:46.51 | thingfish | *decathelete |
| 00:47.05 | hackeron | abrotman: route add default gw IP |
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| 00:47.31 | abrotman | hackeron: why is that a problem .. or related ? |
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| 00:48.46 | Pingy | Decathelete? |
| 00:48.54 | Pingy | Decafinated coffee? ?_? |
| 00:48.57 | hackeron | abrotman: traceroute shows 40ms from gateway to another internal address, and latency is far higher than our adsl (i.e. 160ms vs 70ms) |
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| 00:49.04 | thingfish | Decathlon + athlete |
| 00:49.09 | thingfish | work with me here. |
| 00:49.16 | Pingy | :S |
| 00:49.26 | abrotman | hackeron: so your gateway is messed up ? |
| 00:49.55 | hackeron | abrotman: why is there a gateway to begin with? -- doesnt a dedicated connection not use a gateway? |
| 00:50.08 | thingfish | oh - and if it's decaffeinated, it's not coffee. |
| 00:50.12 | abrotman | hackeron: you mean a router? |
| 00:50.49 | Sidster | dumb question, so how do I know the new key is really from debian and not a hack job like I seem to remember a while back? And why isn't the key change even mentioned on any of the Debian News pages??? |
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| 00:50.50 | hackeron | abrotman: yeah |
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| 00:51.39 | abrotman | Sidster: you can just not use it ... if that makes you feel better |
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| 00:52.09 | AgentJ87 | hi |
| 00:52.17 | AgentJ87 | i need sum help with my ftp |
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| 00:52.33 | abrotman | hackeron: so you're saying the .. internal interface on your router is slowing you down ? |
| 00:52.37 | AgentJ87 | sum how all users cant seem to edit upload, download rename delete |
| 00:52.51 | Sidster | never mind I finally found a page that answered my question --> http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 00:53.04 | beardy | AgentJ87: What's your excuse? |
| 00:53.10 | beardy | !english |
| 00:53.10 | AgentJ87 | i checked all permissions with the ftp all have proper access |
| 00:53.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 00:53.31 | thingfish | english accent is nice, but aussie is best. |
| 00:53.32 | AgentJ87 | excuse for what |
| 00:53.55 | abrotman | holy crap.. you're from the states ? |
| 00:54.04 | thingfish | I could never get any work done, if I lived in australia. |
| 00:54.05 | beardy | "sum" and "sum how" and what else we might hear soon |
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| 00:54.24 | abrotman | thingfish: that's different than now .. how? |
| 00:54.26 | hackeron | abrotman: hmm, I think so, it hangs for 10 seconds on the first hop, then shows something like 10ms 60ms 30ms on the second which is rediculously high |
| 00:54.29 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:54.39 | abrotman | hackeron: are you pinging names or IPs ? |
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| 00:54.41 | d0uglas | ridiculously |
| 00:54.46 | AgentJ87 | anyone |
| 00:54.46 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 00:54.52 | hackeron | d0uglas: thanks, can never spell it right :) |
| 00:54.58 | d0uglas | np |
| 00:55.03 | hackeron | abrotman: tracerouting IP |
| 00:55.12 | abrotman | traceroute is not ping |
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| 00:55.16 | d0uglas | xtraceroute it! |
| 00:55.19 | abrotman | AgentJ87: umask could be wrong |
| 00:55.31 | hackeron | abrotman: ping doesnt show hops |
| 00:55.37 | AgentJ87 | how do i check abrotman |
| 00:55.38 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 00:55.38 | abrotman | it's internal |
| 00:55.44 | abrotman | AgentJ87: read your ftpd docs |
| 00:55.58 | AgentJ87 | i dont think mask is prob |
| 00:56.06 | AgentJ87 | its setto * |
| 00:56.10 | hackeron | abrotman: but I'm pinging/trancerouting a number of ips, not hosts |
| 00:56.30 | Pingy | trance routing? is that how the young kids manage networks today? |
| 00:56.38 | paulswm | Heh |
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| 00:56.59 | abrotman | Pingy: You WILL the packets to their destination |
| 00:56.59 | paulswm | trancerouting, that's a good one |
| 00:57.17 | Pingy | :O! |
| 00:57.40 | paulswm | abrotman: You have to achieve the correct state of mental relaation before you can move the packets though |
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| 00:57.47 | paulswm | relaxation* |
| 00:57.52 | abrotman | paulswm: no wonder freenode has problems :) |
| 00:57.54 | hackeron | woops, lol |
| 00:58.22 | abrotman | hackeron: ping something one hop on either side of the router |
| 00:58.29 | fritzy | hi ppl |
| 00:58.35 | rutski89 | where do i get the glibc man pages? |
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| 00:58.37 | abrotman | hackeron: and i don't see how the internal issues are related to T1 vs DSL |
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| 00:58.41 | thingfish | Pingy, yes, with nice manuals provided by John Digweed, Sasha, Tiesto, and Lee Burridge. |
| 00:58.47 | abrotman | well .. they oculd be |
| 00:58.51 | Pingy | :O *wonders what kind of mental state Linux people or Debian'ers are in once they manage networks useing their will power* |
| 00:59.16 | hackeron | abrotman: well, if its internal, its nothing I can control, they just brought the cable in and gave me the configs |
| 00:59.19 | paulswm | abrotman: But MS has solved the problem with MSTR (MicroSoft TranceRouter), GNU is working on an open version |
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| 00:59.49 | abrotman | hackeron: internal .. is INSIDE .. as in .. in your control |
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| 01:00.09 | thingfish | yeah but MS's is that commercial trance crap; linux's is the real, progressive, underground killer stuff. |
| 01:00.16 | abrotman | hackeron: regardless .. this is totally OT .. and not at all related to debian |
| 01:00.27 | abrotman | or .. at this point it is |
| 01:00.40 | thingfish | ok, time to marinate chicken in tabasco sauce. |
| 01:00.52 | fritzy | yum |
| 01:00.58 | paulswm | Yeah, cos the MS trancerouter is vulnerable to psychic popups |
| 01:01.11 | Pingy | :O!!! |
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| 01:01.40 | thingfish | first we marinate it in tabasco sauce. then we dip it in milk, then in flour with some garlic powder and salt mixed in there. then we fry it in oil/butter mixture. |
| 01:01.44 | fritzy | im trying to find the server : irc.usrv.de |
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| 01:02.12 | hackeron | abrotman: yeah, I guess is. I'll just phone them, it seems like a problem on their end |
| 01:02.17 | paulswm | If you don't properly configure the Personal Psychic Firewall, you suddenly start seeing mental images of naked ladies and blackjack tables |
| 01:02.27 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:02.39 | fritzy | could be interesting :) |
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| 01:02.56 | paulswm | Yeah, I've just talked myself into ordering the package :P |
| 01:03.07 | thingfish | all I can say is, thank god I've never played blackjack for real. I'm down about $6000. |
| 01:03.19 | stephen_ | Good day. I'm installing debian for the millionth time, but now I can't "apt-get install xterm" for some ungodly reason |
| 01:03.20 | danieldg | how do you set konsole's default encoding to UTF-8? It's annoying to switch it every time |
| 01:03.22 | stephen_ | it says that xterm is referred to by another package |
| 01:03.30 | stephen_ | apt-cache search shows nothing that would give me xterm |
| 01:03.33 | stephen_ | xutils is installed |
| 01:03.39 | stephen_ | but no xterm resides on my system |
| 01:03.39 | beardy | !install x |
| 01:03.40 | dpkg | [install xf4] apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
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| 01:03.42 | stephen_ | any ideas? |
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| 01:04.12 | stephen_ | beardy: is that directed at me? |
| 01:04.14 | Jinkguns | http://www.deranged.net/~jetman877/in.html <--- Any idea why my cursor is screwed up? |
| 01:04.17 | stephen_ | i've alredy done all those suggestions |
| 01:04.20 | beardy | stephen_: yes |
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| 01:04.42 | beardy | stephen_: and you don't have xterm? |
| 01:04.47 | stephen_ | yup |
| 01:05.22 | beardy | stephen_: Have you actually tried running xterm? |
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| 01:06.13 | lkjlkjlkj | seems that sid main Packages and sid contrib packages files are swapped on at least one mirror |
| 01:06.26 | stephen_ | beardy: yea, I would actually be fine without it, as I like rxvt better, but apparently it's making X crash, cause it tries to execute /usr/X11/bin/xterm and that fails. |
| 01:06.46 | beardy | stephen_: Sounds a bit strange.. |
| 01:06.47 | gmcinnes | is there any way to remove udev after you've apt-get it into your system? |
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| 01:06.52 | stephen_ | beardy: also, find / -name xterm returns nadda (well, nadda useful) |
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| 01:08.17 | stephen_ | as an aside, if I use the latest unstable, apt-get update works, but apt-get dist-upgrade fails because it can't GET netbase |
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| 01:08.21 | factor | does anyone know how far along lightscribe support is from getting to linux? |
| 01:08.43 | hyakuhei | can anyone point me in the direction of a good (sparc)netboot guide, the debian wiki seems to be broken |
| 01:08.44 | lkjlkjlkj | Get:6 http://http.us.debian.org sid/main Packages [24.6kB] |
| 01:08.45 | lkjlkjlkj | Get:7 http://http.us.debian.org sid/contrib Packages [3952kB] |
| 01:08.45 | lkjlkjlkj | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.58 | beardy | !sparc |
| 01:08.58 | dpkg | somebody said sparc was the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 01:09.24 | hyakuhei | thanks beardy |
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| 01:10.23 | beardy | hyakuhei: You're welcome. |
| 01:10.37 | lkjlkjlkj | any ftp-masters around ? |
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| 01:10.43 | gmcinnes | so, the answer is, you CAN'T just do apt-get remove udev :( |
| 01:10.46 | gmcinnes | bugger |
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| 01:10.59 | marx | vsftpd ftw! |
| 01:11.01 | jvw | lkjlkjlkj: 99% of the cases someone asks that, the question isn't for an ftp-master specifically... |
| 01:11.06 | jvw | lkjlkjlkj: so, best just ask your question |
| 01:11.14 | lkjlkjlkj | jvm: look up |
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| 01:11.49 | Eulex | lkjlkjlkj, faulty mirror? |
| 01:11.57 | jvw | lkjlkjlkj: please verify which of the DNS rotation mirrors of http.us.d.o that is, and inform the mirror team |
| 01:11.58 | gmcinnes | I guess you probably have to do apt-get remove udev; apt-get install hotplug. Where's my root disk! |
| 01:11.59 | beardy | stephen_: If you're running unstable, my answer is, shit happens, if you want working things, don't run it. /msg dpkg bts |
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| 01:12.16 | jvw | lkjlkjlkj: ftp-master's don't generally deal with individual mirrors and there brokenness |
| 01:12.50 | jvw | lkjlkjlkj: as eh, we can't fix it really |
| 01:12.58 | abrotman | oddly .. i just used tha tmirror .. it was fine |
| 01:13.11 | jvw | abrotman: 'that mirror' is 5 or so servers in DNS rotation |
| 01:13.17 | jvw | abrotman: so that says nothing |
| 01:13.19 | abrotman | jvw: i'm aware of that |
| 01:13.24 | lkjlkjlkj | how could a mirror do that unless the master was broken ? |
| 01:13.33 | beardy | s/don't run it/run stable |
| 01:13.41 | jvw | lkjlkjlkj: mirrors break in all sorts of spectacular ways |
| 01:13.47 | lkjlkjlkj | joy |
| 01:13.47 | abrotman | lkjlkjlkj: as jvw just said .. ftp.us.debian.org .. there are many mirrors .. maybe try again .. see if the problem duplicates |
| 01:14.06 | lkjlkjlkj | yeah - just doing what you suggested earlier ... mirrors@lists.debian.org ? |
| 01:14.08 | nukeskyjmpr | if a mirror was broken, and you discover it halfway through an apt-get upgrade... |
| 01:14.12 | jvw | abrotman: ftp.us.d.o != http.us.d.o |
| 01:14.24 | nukeskyjmpr | can you just do another update from another mirror and have it continue? |
| 01:14.27 | jvw | nukeskyjmpr: extremely unlikely |
| 01:14.28 | abrotman | oh .. i used ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:14.42 | jvw | nukeskyjmpr: I mean, unlikely that it'd hurt you |
| 01:14.45 | thingfish | boy really. If you need your system to simply work, you need to use sarge. In the dictionary, if you look under 'sarge', it says: def. It works. |
| 01:14.52 | jvw | nukeskyjmpr: you can always change mirrors yes and continue more or less |
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| 01:15.14 | thingfish | ooh look at that, someone left a joint in the ashtray. |
| 01:15.27 | nukeskyjmpr | jvw: thought so, but earlier i switched to a faster mirror during a huge aptitude download and it restarted downloading *everyting* from the beginning |
| 01:15.39 | abrotman | thingfish: don't you live alone? |
| 01:15.50 | jvw | nukeskyjmpr: for every individual package youv'e downloaded, it'll be in your /var/cache... |
| 01:15.54 | thingfish | abrotman: no, I have a sweetie. 10 years now. |
| 01:15.57 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 01:16.11 | beardy | thingfish: was that sarcasm? |
| 01:16.14 | nukeskyjmpr | jvw: yeah, they were... but for some reason aptitude re-downloaded everything |
| 01:16.15 | thingfish | of course, he's functionally insane now, but... |
| 01:16.20 | jvw | nukeskyjmpr: though it'll show you 0% - 100% again, actually, the 100% is off the remaining packages, so shorter |
| 01:16.22 | nukeskyjmpr | maybe different versions on each mirror... |
| 01:16.32 | nukeskyjmpr | jvw: ah. that makes sense |
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| 01:16.57 | vik | I have a peculiar boot problem: I've moved my system from one hard disk to another; the root partition is still hda2 as before, but I moved the swap partition from hda3 to hda6. After updating fstab, the system hangs when booting. After trying a few things, I put the swap back on hda3. Now it works OK. I want to move swap back to the end of the drive; is the location of the swap partition mentioned anywhere apart from fstab? |
| 01:16.58 | jvw | nukeskyjmpr: it'll show you "Need 150M/250M new packages" or so |
| 01:17.10 | thingfish | beardy: for what? for sarge working? absolutely not. I love sarge. there is absolutely no better linux. |
| 01:17.13 | jvw | nukeskyjmpr: meaning 100M is already in in that example |
| 01:17.29 | thingfish | I don't joke about Debian. |
| 01:17.36 | beardy | thingfish: Ok. |
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| 01:17.49 | nukeskyjmpr | well, carroll.aset.psu.edu is broken as hell... so let's see if i can continue with another |
| 01:17.54 | thingfish | I've suffered through too many other linuxes. |
| 01:18.18 | lkjlkjlkj | jvw: debian-mirrors@lists.debian.org appears to be moribund ... nothing in the archive since 2003 ... is there any point in sending anything there ? |
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| 01:18.29 | beardy | vik: Did you swapoff and mkswap and swapon on the new partition? |
| 01:18.35 | Nach | where can I get a /lib/ld-linux.so.2 that has it's symbols intact? |
| 01:18.43 | jvw | lkjlkjlkj: you've not looked up the correct contact address |
| 01:18.51 | vik | beardy: yep |
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| 01:19.08 | vik | beardy: actually, I didn't swapoff |
| 01:19.15 | jvw | lkjlkjlkj: did you find the broken server? |
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| 01:20.08 | gpm | hi everyone. i'm using grip to rip a CD, and it's going very slowly (1x)...DMA is enabled (according to hdparm)...anybody know what I could do to speed up the rip? |
| 01:20.26 | vik | beardy: I just removed the partition (though I had booted from a rescue disk, so I don't think swap was in use. |
| 01:20.27 | lkjlkjlkj | jvw ... I think so ... got do a bunch of dns lookups to check |
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| 01:20.54 | beardy | vik: Some livecds use a swap partition if they find it. |
| 01:21.03 | jvw | lkjlkjlkj: http://www.debian.org/intro/organization is a better starting point than the homepage |
| 01:21.09 | thingfish | ooh man, what if we had this Debian monastery? Wouldn't that be cool? |
| 01:21.17 | factor | yup |
| 01:21.26 | rutski89 | where do i get the libc6-man pages? |
| 01:21.28 | factor | bringers of the source. |
| 01:21.28 | vik | beardy: not this one I don't think |
| 01:21.31 | thingfish | we could grow pot as a means to support ourselves. |
| 01:21.48 | abrotman | thingfish: or .. we could .. write code? :) |
| 01:21.52 | lkjlkjlkj | i'll do more to check which serever is wonky once I find an address worth sending an email to |
| 01:22.00 | beardy | and brew and drink good beer? |
| 01:22.04 | lkjlkjlkj | http://www.debian.org/mirror/ is a waste of time ? |
| 01:22.39 | thingfish | abrotman: well, truthfully, as in most monasteries, different monks have different gifts. Each should exercise his god-given gift. So if yours is coding, then yes. |
| 01:22.53 | vik | beardy: would that have mattered (apart from screwing with the running of the livecd-linux)? |
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| 01:23.33 | beardy | vik: No, probably not, since you were running a livecd, in ram. I don't think it would do any harm. |
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| 01:24.24 | sanxiyn | How can I modify /topic? |
| 01:24.28 | abrotman | thingfish: mine is calling people stupid .. does that fit in at a monestary ? |
| 01:24.41 | abrotman | (and also poor spelling is a subspecialty) |
| 01:24.45 | thingfish | abrotman: more than you could possibly imagine. :) |
| 01:24.45 | beardy | vik: Allthough.. if it was swapping, and you deleted the partition, who knows what could happen, it _could_ start swapping on the entire disc, I guess.. |
| 01:24.46 | nvz | sanxiyn: ask an op |
| 01:24.51 | Pingy | how do I shot web? |
| 01:24.59 | nvz | sanxiyn: what's wrong with the topic? |
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| 01:25.05 | sanxiyn | yaird/kernels issue is currently fixed, I believe. |
| 01:25.08 | abrotman | thingfish: "You stupid ass .. why can't you grow better pot?!?!" |
| 01:25.08 | beardy | pnrfne: ? |
| 01:25.13 | thingfish | abrotman: *someone's* got to train the postulants. |
| 01:25.16 | beardy | Pingy: ? |
| 01:25.18 | abrotman | beardy: don't address pnrfne |
| 01:25.22 | thingfish | abrotman: precisely. |
| 01:25.34 | Pingy | :x |
| 01:25.39 | beardy | abrotman: Who is that then? |
| 01:25.45 | abrotman | beardy: join -ot |
| 01:26.02 | beardy | abrotman: No (don't you understand it was a TAB mistake? |
| 01:26.11 | abrotman | beardy: i know |
| 01:26.30 | vik | beardy: the final error message was: Kernel panic: not syncing: I/O error reading memory image |
| 01:26.34 | thingfish | yay! there is a place for me on earth, after all. I can be the Pot Master at the world's first Debian monastery. |
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| 01:26.52 | thingfish | now I just know my depression will turn around. |
| 01:27.04 | Pingy | Pot Master? |
| 01:27.07 | thingfish | tsk |
| 01:27.18 | Pingy | :O? |
| 01:27.21 | thingfish | have you NOT been paying attention?! |
| 01:27.22 | nvz | yeah the one who rolls all the joints |
| 01:27.34 | thingfish | tsk. see, nvz understands. |
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| 01:28.03 | thingfish | Pingy: you will need much education...but even then, we have reservations. |
| 01:28.13 | Pingy | :X |
| 01:28.15 | nukeskyjmpr | Pingy: get 'clean' buds :) |
| 01:28.34 | sander | hi.. is it possible to put in debian mirrors in ubuntu's sources.list file?.. and dist-upgrade.. to sarge? |
| 01:28.34 | ppcthug_ | hello all, I've been using this site ( http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html ) to install nvidia drivers but the xf86config-4 file won't change, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" using those commands in ctrl alt f1 and being logged in as root the config file still won't change, I opened it up with vi and it still has all my old |
| 01:28.34 | Pingy | :S |
| 01:28.47 | sander | I want to convert hoary to sarge |
| 01:28.59 | sanxiyn | sander: Good luck... |
| 01:29.06 | thingfish | sander: just get the netinstall and install sarge. |
| 01:29.15 | nvz | sanxiyn: looks like those two bugs and the merged ones are all open still |
| 01:29.21 | sanxiyn | nvz: Huh? |
| 01:29.38 | nvz | sanxiyn: huh? |
| 01:29.50 | sander | thingfish, netinstall.. I only got remote access to the system |
| 01:29.50 | thingfish | sander: are you tired of bugs? do you want your GNU/Linux to "just work"? then install Debian (TM) brand Linux. |
| 01:29.58 | sanxiyn | nvz: #343042 is fixed in version yaird/0.0.12-2 |
| 01:30.12 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 343042 |
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| 01:30.15 | dpkg | DONE:#343042:[yaird] linux-image-2.6.14-2-686: Boot aborts with message '/bin/cat: /sys/block/hda/hda1/dev: No such file or directory'; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 02:48:02 UTC |
| 01:30.21 | sander | thingfish, I could use debootstrap.. but dont want to bother with that.. |
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| 01:30.29 | nvz | sanxiyn: oh |
| 01:30.39 | thingfish | sloth is a sin. |
| 01:30.42 | sanxiyn | nvz: And I know it, since I had the bug and now have the fix... |
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| 01:30.50 | dondelelcaro | sander: unless you know exactly what you're doing, going directly from hoary to sarge can be problematic. |
| 01:30.57 | nvz | sanxiyn: I see. |
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| 01:31.07 | dondelelcaro | sander: using debootstrap is probably the most trivial way. |
| 01:31.18 | odla | i am trying to make create an audio association with realaudio and links2 |
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| 01:31.23 | j3kx | Hello guys, I need some major help. |
| 01:31.27 | thingfish | nvz: what do you have for ingredients? |
| 01:31.31 | odla | i can't figure out what to put in for the command for totem |
| 01:31.35 | j3kx | Im rebooting my server and it is sticking at the grub prompt |
| 01:31.46 | j3kx | I have put in a linux cd and am in linux rescue right now |
| 01:31.48 | sander | dondelelcaro, ok.. thanks.. i'll do it that way then |
| 01:31.52 | nvz | thingfish: not sure.. |
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| 01:31.55 | odla | i have program totem '%' |
| 01:31.59 | odla | but it keeps crashing |
| 01:32.00 | j3kx | Can someone PLEASE be gracious enough to help me out? Im dying here and I cannot loose this server |
| 01:32.11 | Phat32 | I just installed debian and it won't load my x server and it doesn't see my mouse |
| 01:32.13 | thingfish | nvz: better smoke a joint and go see what you got in the fridge. |
| 01:32.16 | Phat32 | Can anyone help me? |
| 01:32.22 | resiak | Phat32: Does it give an error? |
| 01:32.28 | poppor_ | Can a P200 send at 100Mbit/s ?? |
| 01:32.32 | abrotman | sure |
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| 01:32.34 | j3kx | anyone here good with reinstalling grub? |
| 01:32.49 | abrotman | poppor_: maybe not saturate it .. but it can use a 100Mb link |
| 01:32.51 | Phat32 | yes |
| 01:32.55 | thingfish | I can't do anything until my chicken is done marinating. |
| 01:33.02 | nvz | thingfish: yeah. I am hungry as a hostage. Not sure what I want though |
| 01:33.04 | resiak | Phat32: Do we get to know _what_ the error _is_? |
| 01:33.04 | abrotman | thingfish: what? .. no fish ? |
| 01:33.07 | nvz | hmm.. chicken |
| 01:33.12 | Phat32 | I doubt you want me to type the whole thing out in the channel |
| 01:33.14 | nvz | fried rice |
| 01:33.22 | thingfish | abrotman: I came *this* close to buying a couple of tilapia tonight. |
| 01:33.26 | poppor_ | abrotman: I'm only getting 10Mbit/s .. can it be because of slow computer ? |
| 01:33.41 | Phat32 | give me a sec |
| 01:34.09 | resiak | Phat32: So you come to an IRC channel, asking for help, and _don't_ _have_ the error message?! |
| 01:34.23 | asuffield | poppor_: is it possible? yes. is it the actual reason why you're seeing whatever you're seeing? nobody here can answer that |
| 01:34.34 | thingfish | well that's just a faux pas no matter which way you look at it. |
| 01:34.36 | asuffield | on the whole I'd say it's unlikely |
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| 01:35.03 | Pingy | if you dont want to paste a error msg into the channel, there is other places to paste the error msg into |
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| 01:35.12 | nvz | I wish I had some more soy sauce |
| 01:35.12 | Phat32 | (EE) Configured Mouse: cannot open input device (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Configured Mouse" No Core Pointer Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices |
| 01:35.20 | nvz | I would make chicken fried rice |
| 01:35.20 | thingfish | I am OUT of soy sauce. |
| 01:35.23 | poppor_ | asuffield: if a P200 can't give more throughput then that's the reason or ? |
| 01:35.24 | teknoprep | /dev/input/mice ? |
| 01:35.25 | abrotman | poppor_: mii-tool .. |
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| 01:35.37 | thingfish | I meant to buy some tonight, but I forgot. |
| 01:35.42 | abrotman | thingfish: DOH! |
| 01:35.44 | resiak | Phat32: modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; restart X. |
| 01:35.45 | teknoprep | oh while starting X |
| 01:35.45 | thingfish | yes |
| 01:35.47 | poppor_ | mii-tool ? I'll look it up |
| 01:35.47 | asuffield | poppor_: there will be some thoughput limit. who knows whether it's the limiting factor in your case? |
| 01:35.49 | nvz | I'll juice some of that meatless meat |
| 01:35.52 | nvz | heh |
| 01:35.55 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:35.56 | teknoprep | try imps2 driver for the mouse |
| 01:36.30 | Phat32 | Can't locate module psmouse |
| 01:36.58 | Phat32 | I did an su earlier |
| 01:37.04 | poppor_ | asuffield: If NICs are 100mbit and an the switch on a local lan. Can you think of any reason why I should get 10mbit ? |
| 01:37.05 | Phat32 | is that why I can't modprobe? |
| 01:37.11 | resiak | !tell Phat32 -about enter |
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| 01:37.16 | asuffield | poppor_: there's dozens if not hundreds of possible reasons |
| 01:37.38 | ppcthug_ | hello, I've been using this site ( http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html ) to install nvidia drivers but the xf86config-4 file won't change, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" using those commands in ctrl alt f1 and being logged in as root the config file still won't change, I opened it up with vi and it still has all my old valu |
| 01:37.42 | resiak | Cheers, thingfish. :-) |
| 01:37.45 | thingfish | :) |
| 01:38.09 | tuv | is it true that xfs is not tolerant to system crashes (keeps large cache in memory)? |
| 01:38.21 | j3kx | can someone offer some kind of help please? |
| 01:38.29 | Phat32 | resiak: Do you want me to type "!tell Phat32 -about enter"? |
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| 01:38.39 | resiak | Phat32: No, I want you to read what dpkg told you. |
| 01:38.48 | Phat32 | phat32 is my username on the machine btw |
| 01:39.02 | thingfish | I mean, come on, which fs is impervious to power outages and nasties like that. |
| 01:39.07 | fbi | !tell j3kx about fixmbr |
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| 01:39.21 | efaistos | how to recover my shit, altgr and ctrl keys with a french keyboard |
| 01:39.27 | Phat32 | Sorry |
| 01:39.27 | thingfish | ext3 is safest, afaik |
| 01:39.28 | asuffield | thingfish: ext3 in data=journal mode, insofar as it's possible for a filesystem to resist them |
| 01:39.30 | efaistos | s/shit/shift |
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| 01:39.41 | thingfish | righto, asuffield |
| 01:39.46 | asuffield | pushing everything through the journal is very slow though |
| 01:39.51 | j3kx | fbi may I pm you quickly please? |
| 01:39.57 | asuffield | which is why almost nobody runs it in that mode |
| 01:40.00 | j3kx | I dont have another OS installed |
| 01:40.03 | j3kx | just this |
| 01:40.06 | fbi | j3kx: just ask in here please |
| 01:40.14 | j3kx | okay I suck at mounting |
| 01:40.15 | j3kx | heh |
| 01:40.15 | fbi | j3kx: read what dpkg just told you to reinstall GRUB |
| 01:40.19 | j3kx | I did |
| 01:40.21 | asuffield | but data=journal is completely immune to interruption so far as the filesystem itself is concerned |
| 01:40.26 | j3kx | but I dont know what to mount :/ |
| 01:40.27 | fbi | j3kx: you can also make a GRUB floppy and install from that |
| 01:40.33 | vik | poppor_: 100Mbits is about 10Megabytes per second, or about 3million 32bit words per second. A P200 runs at about 200 million cycles per second. The bus (PCI I assume?) runs at 33MHz, or 33 Million words per second. That's ten times the bandwidth of a 100Mbit NIC. |
| 01:40.36 | j3kx | i rather do it the way dpkg just told me |
| 01:40.37 | Phat32 | resiak: modprobe psmouse returned the message "Can't locate module psmouse" |
| 01:40.39 | j3kx | it sounds easier |
| 01:40.54 | fbi | j3kx: it's actually more work to use a livecd/rescue cd but do what you like |
| 01:40.55 | kreg | wow |
| 01:41.02 | kreg | the install cd for debian stable is really bad |
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| 01:41.11 | j3kx | well the live cd is already in and im already at screen |
| 01:41.12 | j3kx | heh |
| 01:41.14 | fbi | kreg: how so? |
| 01:41.17 | thingfish | kreg: no, it's excellent. |
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| 01:41.24 | j3kx | fbi could you just walk me through this please? |
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| 01:41.30 | tuv | where do i specify this option (data=journal)? |
| 01:41.32 | thingfish | you must want some pretty gui thingy. |
| 01:41.32 | j3kx | good karma would come back to you |
| 01:41.33 | j3kx | heh |
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| 01:41.35 | tuv | mount-time? |
| 01:41.37 | j3kx | I messed with my dad's machine |
| 01:41.41 | dondelelcaro | j3kx: mount your root filesystem, chroot, run grub-install. |
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| 01:41.42 | seb- | why does debian apache2 expect cgi scripts to be? |
| 01:41.43 | benjamindees | X seems to cause my keyboard to stop functioning all of a sudden |
| 01:41.46 | sifi-x | why does my fonts in mozilla firefox looks so small in KDE?: http://85.165.52.161/snapshot5.png |
| 01:41.47 | seb- | s/why/where |
| 01:41.47 | kreg | are you sure? when i drop to console to partition my discs (the menu driven one is really bad) it fails to open /dev/hda |
| 01:41.48 | j3kx | and I'll probably end up being kicked out if I dont have this fixed before hegets in :( |
| 01:41.49 | Dewi | if I have installed my machine with hostname "foo.bar", but I decide that for mail purposes the machine will actually have hostname "baz.com", how do I proceed? do I need to rename the machine? If so, is there an easy way? |
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| 01:42.27 | kreg | thingfish, far from it. i want to be able to cfdisk or fdisk. |
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| 01:42.29 | marshal | hi |
| 01:42.34 | Guerin | seb-: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
| 01:42.44 | Phat32 | Is that fact that my mouse is not configured correctly preventing my x server from starting? |
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| 01:42.54 | doleyb | Phat32: that often happens to people, yeah. |
| 01:43.00 | marshal | iam new to debian linux ive been running suse but i wanna try debian what version of debian comes with the newest X and the latest kde and gnome? |
| 01:43.03 | lkjlkjlkj | Phat32, probably - check the logs |
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| 01:43.10 | Phat32 | Well I am using a strange keyboard |
| 01:43.14 | doleyb | Phat32: easy workaround is to set x.conf to use /dev/input/mice, which can always be there even if you have no mouse |
| 01:43.18 | sifi-x | marshal, 3.1 r1 |
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| 01:43.21 | benjamindees | if I switched keyboards, how can I reconfigure X on the new one? |
| 01:43.26 | dondelelcaro | marshal: start with stable. When you're familiar with everything, you can upgrade to testing or unstable. |
| 01:43.36 | thingfish | kreg: oh. well, your needs obviously surpass my expertise. feel free to continue doing what you're doing. |
| 01:43.38 | Phat32 | I got this old compaq proliant rack mount server and the keyboard has a mouse built into it |
| 01:43.43 | sifi-x | marshal, apt-get install x-window-system-core kde kdm |
| 01:43.44 | marshal | well i dont think stable will support my hardware |
| 01:43.47 | lkjlkjlkj | doleyb: thanks for the NoDDC clue yesterday |
| 01:43.50 | j3kx | fbi help? |
| 01:43.52 | j3kx | please? |
| 01:43.58 | kreg | thingfish, is there a reason /dev/hda would show up "unable to open" that i am missing? |
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| 01:44.02 | tuv | marshal, dondelelcaro: testing is pretty stable and much more recent |
| 01:44.03 | benjamindees | doleyb, not necessarily, an hour ago I couldn't cat /dev/input/mice without insmodding the keybdev module... |
| 01:44.06 | Eno_ | marshal: kde 3.3.2 and gnome 2.8.2 |
| 01:44.08 | kreg | thingfish, stop being a smartass btw. |
| 01:44.10 | dondelelcaro | marshal: hardware support is a function of the kernel, and you can modern kernels on stable if you want. |
| 01:44.15 | benjamindees | doleyb, oops, the mousedev module I meant |
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| 01:44.34 | dondelelcaro | tuv: unfortunatly, it's not, and it's not something to trivially recommend to people starting out in Debian unless you're willing to support them yourself. |
| 01:44.40 | seb- | Guerin: now it finds cgi script but just print cgi script source in my browswer? any ideas? |
| 01:44.45 | seb- | Guerin: thanks btw |
| 01:44.46 | j3kx | so yeah fbi, can you help me please? |
| 01:44.48 | sifi-x | how do I configure fonts to look normal in applications like firefox etc, they look like shit in KDE: http://85.165.52.161/snapshot5.png |
| 01:44.52 | snappy | I'm working on a machine that has been compromised by Apache 1.3. It is running Debian 3.1, and has been regularly apt-get updated for the security fixes. It is running only debian packages. The intruder seems to have executed a backdoor program via CGI scripts through a website, which provides telnet access to a shell as www-data. However, I'm trying to find out how this user, changed the shell of www-data to /bin/sh, along with other users such as 'daemon |
| 01:45.08 | Dewi | references to my hostname seem to appear in: /etc/hostname; /etc/hosts; /etc/motd; /etc/ssh/ssh_host_(rsa|dsa)_key.pub; and some debconf files |
| 01:45.19 | fbi | j3kx: if you can't figure out what dpkg told you, Google for "grub floppy install" |
| 01:45.28 | zinx | snappy: is the machine connected to a network? |
| 01:45.29 | dondelelcaro | snappy: first off, remove that box from the network. Then save all of your data; ideally make an image of the drive. You're going to have to reinstall from known good media. |
| 01:45.34 | kreg | snappy, hmmm |
| 01:45.35 | tuv | dondelelcaro: my personal experience: stable frightened me being so old.. i got along with testing just fine and it was my first serious linux usage! |
| 01:45.36 | j3kx | i dont know how to mount ... |
| 01:45.41 | kreg | snappy, i'd like to know too if you ever find out. |
| 01:45.52 | j3kx | it says the system device or resource is busy |
| 01:45.53 | zinx | snappy: and, what version of Linux is it running? |
| 01:45.59 | Phat32 | locate x.conf returned "no such file or directory" |
| 01:46.12 | tuv | dondelelcaro: the more recent the software the easier to configure and setup.. at least for desktop |
| 01:46.12 | zinx | snappy: you can (hopefully) check *after* you've disconnected it from any networks ;) |
| 01:46.18 | Guerin | seb-: configure it to execute them |
| 01:46.35 | dondelelcaro | snappy: it sure sounds like you have a buggy cgi script which then broke into www-data, and then found a local exploit (if it managed to alter other daemons) |
| 01:46.39 | snappy | zinx: yep, it was a webhostingg machine. |
| 01:46.47 | fbi | Phat32: XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf |
| 01:46.47 | Dewi | sifi-x: the fonts don't look "wrong" to me, they jsut look small |
| 01:46.52 | seb- | Guerin: in /etc/apache2 i see mods-enabled mods-available stuff all set up with cgi!?! |
| 01:46.54 | Dewi | sifi-x: I've had this problem in KDE as well |
| 01:47.00 | fbi | Phat32: /etc/X11 |
| 01:47.04 | Dewi | sifi-x: maybe adjust the default KDE font sizes to be bigger? |
| 01:47.06 | sifi-x | Dewi, do you know how to solve it |
| 01:47.20 | neuterspay | Hey, I have a rather silly question - how do I change my screen resolution? |
| 01:47.21 | zinx | snappy: my guess is currently that it's running an outdated version of linux with one of the kernel exploits, but i can't verify that unless i know which version of linux it's running. |
| 01:47.24 | dondelelcaro | tuv: sarge is fairly recent, and it's fairly trivial to set up. |
| 01:47.26 | Guerin | seb-: i don't know specifically how it's done in apache2; but httpd.apache.org does. |
| 01:47.27 | sifi-x | Dewi, I have tried that without any success |
| 01:47.28 | Dewi | sifi-x: it doesn't happen on all sites for me... must be relating to the CSS they are using |
| 01:47.30 | snappy | I jsut dont understand how they changed the shell of many accounts, yet managed to not escalate to root. |
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| 01:47.41 | Dewi | sifi-x: I tell firefox to raise the font size on sites where it happens |
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| 01:47.42 | zinx | snappy: in any case, at this point, it's compromised and must be reinstalled |
| 01:47.43 | mike_ | oops |
| 01:47.50 | Dewi | sifi-x: but it doesn't happen to me in Gnome, it's true |
| 01:47.57 | thingfish | neuterspay: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:47.59 | snappy | zinx: Debian 3.1, it was updated 72 hours ago, at the most, but usually updated everyday, including kernel. |
| 01:48.03 | Phat32 | fbi: It's XF86Config-4 |
| 01:48.10 | neuterspay | thingfish: thanks |
| 01:48.10 | snappy | Ok understood, I'm just trying to audit as much as possible, before I restart the machine or anything. |
| 01:48.10 | sifi-x | Dewi, maybe it is so, but I host a site, KDE users should not have to configure ff |
| 01:48.24 | sifi-x | Dewi, exactly |
| 01:48.25 | ryan` | snappy: you don't know that they didn't get root. |
| 01:48.30 | fbi | Phat32: i know that, i was helping you locate the fiule |
| 01:48.35 | Dewi | sifi-x: well, KDE started constantly crashing out for me before I got around to fixing the issue |
| 01:48.35 | Guerin | snappy: see, now we KNOW you're full of shit. |
| 01:48.38 | Dewi | sifi-x: so now I'm using gnome |
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| 01:48.48 | tuv | dondelelcaro: compared to woody you are right, but compared to current testing and other distros it's somewhat behind. i notice enhancements in testing every other month (on installation) |
| 01:48.53 | sifi-x | Dewi, hmm, there should be simple solution for this, I still belive in KDE |
| 01:49.01 | zinx | snappy: o_O |
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| 01:49.08 | sifi-x | Dewi, Install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt and configure from within the K control panel under Appearance. |
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| 01:49.15 | sifi-x | Dewi, I will try that one |
| 01:49.17 | zinx | snappy: you have to reboot the machine to a known-good OS to audit it or copy the data in the first place... |
| 01:49.18 | dondelelcaro | tuv: I'm well aware of that; the issue here is stability vs support. |
| 01:49.26 | neuterspay | thingfish: ati vs. fglrx - difference? |
| 01:49.28 | snappy | ok well, I've spoken to the owner of the box, backup first, then reinstall, problem is its in a remote location, we didnt restart anything, rather kill -STOPped most things. |
| 01:49.32 | bgat | when I do a dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7, it just hangs at "Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub .". Any ideas? |
| 01:49.32 | snappy | that looked bad. |
| 01:49.34 | neuterspay | thingfish: card is 9800 pro 256mb |
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| 01:49.55 | zinx | snappy: compromised machines give false information. |
| 01:49.56 | Phat32 | fbi: It's set to /dev/input/mice. Does that mean that is not why my x server is refusing to start? Could it be because I set it to 1024x768 at 75hz during the install? |
| 01:50.08 | thingfish | neuterspay: you can query dpkg - /msg dpkg ati or /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 01:50.11 | MadClown | snappy: whatup |
| 01:50.16 | snappy | sup MC |
| 01:50.16 | beardy | bgat: Why aren't you using aptitude or apt-get? |
| 01:50.24 | zinx | snappy: also, you must not assume that it was compromised recently; it may have been compromised a long time ago. |
| 01:50.25 | thingfish | neuterspay: I'm an nvidia person, myself. |
| 01:50.33 | doleyb | Phat32: check quick that /dev/input/mice exists. if so, then mouse prob isn't your problem. Read /var/log/XFree86.0.log for the eror messgage |
| 01:50.34 | fbi | Phat32: cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep EE |
| 01:50.35 | neuterspay | thingfish: thanks man, I'm very new to all of this. |
| 01:50.36 | Dewi | so... anyone know how I can configure my box to use a different hostname for all email than the hostname I originally specified during install? |
| 01:50.39 | Eulex | neuterspay, you won't get any 3d acceleration with ati, but for 2d graphics in X, the ati driver is *much* faster and has a lot less bugs. I personally can't stand fglrx. |
| 01:50.46 | Dewi | note that I don't mind changing my hostname |
| 01:50.52 | bgat | beardy: I did an apt-get install linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7, and it barfed during the install. I'm just trying to back it out. |
| 01:50.53 | beardy | !hostname |
| 01:50.53 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 01:51.06 | Dewi | beardy: that's not enough is it? |
| 01:51.12 | snappy | zinx: True, ah well, I think I found the source of the backdoor, going through proc entries finding the CWD of apache, that it was runing, sinmce all these processes seemed to have started off being www-data. I tested the bakcdoor on a test linux machine, and sure enough it did open up a shell. |
| 01:51.14 | neuterspay | Alright thanks guys |
| 01:51.22 | Dewi | beardy: will that update the hosts file, the ssh key, etc? |
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| 01:51.34 | snappy | But if I dont know what caused it, I'm thinking, it might not be easily prevented in the future either. |
| 01:51.42 | Dewi | beardy: there is more to hostname than /etc/hostname |
| 01:51.42 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 01:51.52 | snappy | But next time, I think I'll have this guy do inbound/outbound firewall, at least so backdoor ports cant open up. |
| 01:51.55 | dondelelcaro | snappy: check your access logs for hits to cgis during the timeframe that the backdoor was created |
| 01:52.22 | dondelelcaro | snappy: since you've got at least two problems: 1) buggy cgi 2) escallation of priviledges. |
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| 01:53.00 | ryan` | WTF? |
| 01:53.09 | gravity | bastard |
| 01:53.11 | fbi | i thought i had all ctcp shit ignored |
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| 01:53.20 | d0uglas | how dare he |
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| 01:53.34 | snappy | danieldg: If there is writes to /etc/passwd, I may fully assume that there was escalation of privaleges? |
| 01:53.44 | snappy | im sorry |
| 01:53.49 | snappy | that was for dondelelcaro |
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| 01:54.06 | dondelelcaro | snappy: pretty much, yes. |
| 01:54.15 | dondelelcaro | snappy: so you're dealing with at least two separate bugs there |
| 01:54.17 | xaxes|free | poofn :) |
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| 01:54.19 | snappy | Ok, well I'm going to start disabling services, firewall the box completly, I can't really take it down until I back stuff up or my mate contacts his hosting company. |
| 01:54.25 | snappy | damn, okay cheers for the advice guys |
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| 01:54.32 | benjamindees | is it normal to upgrade from woody to sarge and for xfree86 not to get updated? |
| 01:54.43 | Guerin | benjamindees: no |
| 01:54.54 | dondelelcaro | snappy: well, the longer you wait, the more likely it is that whoever has exploited the box will rm -rf it. |
| 01:54.55 | ryan` | aparently some dumb kvirc feature. |
| 01:54.56 | neuterspay | Another stupid question: How do I find my video card's bus identifier and what is it? |
| 01:54.56 | benjamindees | Guerin, other things seem to have been skipped as well |
| 01:55.17 | ryan` | neuterspay: lspci |
| 01:55.26 | abrotman | wtf kind of command is CTCP AVATAR? |
| 01:55.33 | bgat | anyone know how to uninstall a package that failed to install completely? |
| 01:55.34 | Guerin | benjamindees: dist-upgrade |
| 01:55.37 | ryan` | abrotman: some kvirc thing |
| 01:55.37 | cougar` | Hey all, what is the command to upgrade all the packages installe don my debian system? I can't recall it ;( |
| 01:55.39 | neuterspay | ryan`: you rule man, thanks. |
| 01:55.47 | stew | abrotman: why its a ctcp command of course! |
| 01:55.49 | ryan` | neuterspay, np |
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| 01:55.54 | robin_sz | snappy: disbalign services? heh, you wont EVEN SEE THE CONENCTIONS thety are using if they are any good ... let alone the processes |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | cougar`: apt-get update;apt-get -u upgrade |
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| 01:56.03 | abrotman | !smack stew |
| 01:56.17 | abrotman | !tell cougar` about refcard |
| 01:56.45 | ryan` | abrotman, he responds to it with http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/vilerage/rageav.jpg |
| 01:57.27 | ryan` | http://www.kvirc.de/docu/doc_ctcp_avatar.html |
| 01:57.49 | abrotman | ryan`: i htink you know too much about that |
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| 01:58.41 | Phat32 | fbi: (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice (EE) Configured Mouse: cannot open input device (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Configured Mouse" |
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| 01:58.51 | ryan` | abrotman, i was bored, and used google |
| 01:58.52 | fbi | Phat32: what kind of mouse device |
| 01:58.57 | bgat | anyone know how to uninstall a package that failed to install completely? I did an apt-get install linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7 and it choked on my lvm configuration... :( |
| 01:59.35 | abrotman | Phat32: is mousedev loaded ? |
| 01:59.38 | neuterspay | ryan`: 0000:02:00.0 isn't a recognized format? |
| 01:59.46 | Phat32 | fbi: It has a ps2 connector but it's built into my keyboard. It's old and it's by compaq. |
| 01:59.54 | dondelelcaro | bgat: if dpkg -r linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7; won't remove it, then you'll need to fix the problem so that it can install completely. |
| 01:59.55 | neuterspay | ryan`: I'm almost thinking linux is too much for me, but I do want to learn this |
| 01:59.57 | dondelelcaro | bgat: then file a bug. |
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| 02:00.00 | fbi | Phat32: try /dev/psaux |
| 02:00.13 | Phat32 | How can I tell if mousedev ism loaded? |
| 02:00.24 | ryan` | neuterspay: been a while since i mucked with x configs |
| 02:00.24 | doleyb | Phat32: lsmod|grep mouse |
| 02:00.31 | ryan` | lemme take a look at mine |
| 02:00.34 | blockd_ | neuterspay: : BusID "PCI:0:2:0" -- I think |
| 02:00.52 | blockd_ | neuterspay: or 2:0:0 rather |
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| 02:01.17 | blockd_ | neuterspay: ... I also think "X -scanpci" formats it nicely |
| 02:01.57 | ryan` | neuterspay: where are you putting this? |
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| 02:02.20 | Eulex | neuterspay, you don't need to tell it any pci bus identifier if you don't have multiple graphic cards. |
| 02:02.22 | abrotman | neuterspay: you shold leave that blank unless you have two video cards or a Mac |
| 02:02.23 | Phat32 | doleyb: lsmod|grep mouse appeared to do nothing |
| 02:02.34 | neuterspay | ryan`: I don't understand, where am I putting what? After the command that thingfish had me enter - |
| 02:02.36 | ryan` | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.42 | ryan` | that's what mine looks like |
| 02:02.46 | neuterspay | Shit, so should I redo it and this time not ender anything? |
| 02:02.50 | neuterspay | Enter? |
| 02:02.52 | fbi | Phat32: if you're running the keyboard i think you are, /dev/psaux _should_ pick up your mouse device |
| 02:03.03 | ryan` | neuterspay: i have no idea what you're doing |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | mousedev! |
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| 02:03.10 | lgn | heya |
| 02:03.15 | Eulex | neuterspay, yeah, do that, as if you entered something incorrect you'll get trouble. |
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| 02:03.34 | neuterspay | Alright... |
| 02:03.37 | fbi | whoa i've been here 3 minutes too long |
| 02:03.45 | neuterspay | thingfish: what was that command you'd entered? |
| 02:03.45 | lkjlkjlkj | why is this mirroring system so bloody broken ... can anyone successfully do an apt-get update on sid atm ? |
| 02:03.46 | Batou | ? |
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| 02:03.52 | Batou | 3 minutes too long? |
| 02:03.54 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 02:03.54 | dpkg | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:03.55 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:03.55 | ryan` | neuterspay, i think you change the period in what lspci reports to a colon |
| 02:04.01 | Phat32 | fbi: when you say try /dev/psaux do you mean for me to edit my X86 config file? |
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| 02:04.12 | neuterspay | ryan`: no I've got it now, had it for a while. |
| 02:04.16 | Eulex | ryan`, he shouldn't enter anything. don't bother. |
| 02:04.22 | neuterspay | ryan`: I'm much more in now... yeah - I need to go back. |
| 02:04.23 | ryan` | ok |
| 02:04.39 | ryan` | I've never set up a video card in debian |
| 02:04.42 | Eulex | neuterspay, you should just press enter when it asks you. |
| 02:04.42 | lgn | i'm having problems with pump/ifupdown not bringing the interface up, so it can't set the default route. if i bring the interace up myself then set the default route, everything's ok.. any changes in the last month? |
| 02:04.51 | neuterspay | thingfish: what was that command you told me earlier? I've disconnected. |
| 02:05.02 | bgat | dondelelcaro: what does this output from dpkg -l mean: "pc linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7 2.6.14-7 " ? |
| 02:05.33 | lgn | maybe my /etc/network/interfaces is missing something? :/ |
| 02:05.37 | abrotman | !drxx neuterspay |
| 02:05.37 | dpkg | neuterspay: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:05.40 | abrotman | neuterspay: that ? |
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| 02:05.51 | neuterspay | abrotman: Thanks. |
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| 02:05.53 | worthy | hello |
| 02:06.05 | lgn | bgat: the 'pc' part or? |
| 02:06.10 | abrotman | !phillysmite worthy |
| 02:06.11 | bgat | yes, the 'pc' part |
| 02:06.12 | worthy | how do i mount my windows partition in debian please? |
| 02:06.21 | abrotman | worthy: what kind of windows partition? |
| 02:06.28 | lgn | bgat: well ^i means it's installed, p would be purged or something i guess.. (not installed) |
| 02:06.30 | worthy | ntfs |
| 02:06.30 | lkjlkjlkj | jvw: I can't find a mirror that can serve me a good main Packages file |
| 02:06.32 | worthy | C drive |
| 02:06.36 | sanxiyn | bgat: It's in the header. |
| 02:06.36 | beardy | worthy: You just mount it. |
| 02:06.37 | lgn | bgat: oh maybe purged configuration? |
| 02:06.40 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 02:06.40 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 02:06.42 | sanxiyn | bgat: P for Purged, C for Configuration. |
| 02:06.44 | dondelelcaro | bgat: that you requested it be purged, but it's still got conffiles instead. |
| 02:06.52 | worthy | what is the command line to do that beardy? |
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| 02:07.02 | Batou | You need to enable fat32/ntsf first don't you? |
| 02:07.06 | abrotman | !tell worthy about ntfsro |
| 02:07.16 | sanxiyn | Batou: Not on Debian. |
| 02:07.16 | bgat | dondelelcaro: aah, now I know how to interpret that header! Thanks! :) |
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| 02:07.18 | abrotman | Batou: standard debian kernels ahve those as modules |
| 02:07.19 | Batou | and teh command is diff if you have a sata hdd (like me) |
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| 02:07.29 | Batou | ah |
| 02:07.31 | beardy | worthy: 'mount /dev/devicename /mnt/something' mount -t ntfs if you wish. |
| 02:07.38 | abrotman | Batou: it's an example .. |
| 02:07.56 | worthy | ok beardy thanks |
| 02:08.08 | Phat32 | fbi: I editted it and now my xserver started!!! |
| 02:08.13 | sanxiyn | dpkg, topic mod s/BORKED/FIXED/ |
| 02:08.23 | Batou | well he's having a better time with debian than me anyway :) I'm still trying to get it installed lol |
| 02:08.27 | sanxiyn | hm. |
| 02:08.39 | beardy | worthy: It's all in 'man mount', 'man umount' and 'man 5 fstab' |
| 02:08.42 | abrotman | sanxiyn: dpkg can't alter the topic |
| 02:08.48 | sanxiyn | ok. |
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| 02:10.18 | Batou | Can anyone think of a reason why the netinstall disk would hang up when looking for cd drives? It hangs at 92% each time I try to install. |
| 02:10.27 | abrotman | with both kernels? |
| 02:10.33 | sanxiyn | Can someone note that packages.debian.org is currently down in /topic? |
| 02:10.55 | Phat32 | fbi: It loaded a debian splash and then froze... |
| 02:11.08 | Batou | I'm not sure? I just downloaded the one for i386 |
| 02:11.15 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: it kind of tells you itself... |
| 02:11.24 | abrotman | sanxiyn: it's not down .. it's there .. just not functional |
| 02:11.34 | Phat32 | ctrl alt F1 and ctrl alt delete are not working |
| 02:11.39 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Well, the page says it's down :-) |
| 02:11.47 | sanxiyn | I heard that the machine was overloaded. |
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| 02:12.10 | sanxiyn | (It wasn't updated since December 30, actually.) |
| 02:12.10 | jvw | lkjlkjlkj: what's the md5sum you get then? |
| 02:12.13 | beardy | It says in nice clear text that it is down, what more could one want? |
| 02:12.21 | jvw | [jeroen@bla]/org/ftp.debian.org/ftp/dists/sid/main/binary-i386$ md5sum Packages.gz |
| 02:12.24 | jvw | 4a2d14e26c1cc66fe79d7c223f5750fd Packages.gz |
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| 02:12.32 | dondelelcaro | yes, saens is currently having issues. |
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| 02:13.17 | jvw | the issues are over now that the packages.d.o cronjob was killed ttbomk :) |
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| 02:13.19 | lgn | so noone's had problems with pump not bringing the interface up for dhcp? |
| 02:13.24 | dondelelcaro | jvw: heh |
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| 02:14.09 | jvw | it's doing way too many linear searches and regenerating all HTML files every day... |
| 02:14.34 | lkjlkjlkj | jvw: it seems to be failing to download the file at all |
| 02:14.42 | sanxiyn | jvw: I see... |
| 02:14.59 | Wyzard|TP | Bash scripting question... is it possible, from a script, to start a command running in the background at the beginning of the script and then feed it input from elsewhere in the script? |
| 02:15.07 | sanxiyn | jvw: It's written in webwml? |
| 02:15.22 | bbrazil | Wyzard|TP: use a pipe? |
| 02:15.30 | beardy | Wyzard|TP: Using a pipe? |
| 02:15.34 | asg | Wyzard|TP: #bash has the experts but fifos are useful for IPC |
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| 02:15.48 | lkjlkjlkj | jvw: starts the transfer expecting 3952kB, but craps out immediately and then complains about stdin not being in gzip format |
| 02:15.59 | worthy | my windows isn't mounted |
| 02:15.59 | jvw | sanxiyn: no |
| 02:16.08 | worthy | i see / and /home and others |
| 02:16.09 | jvw | lkjlkjlkj: broken web proxy on your side? |
| 02:16.12 | gmcinnes | how do I mount a volume as someone other than root? |
| 02:16.14 | worthy | not /windows or /ntfs |
| 02:16.20 | Wyzard|TP | I was hoping to do it without creating anything temporary in the filesystem, if possible... in C there's a function called socketpair() that can be used for this sort of thing, and I'm wondering if there's something analogous in bash |
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| 02:16.31 | beardy | worthy: Where did you mount it? |
| 02:16.35 | Phat32 | I fixed my mouse problem, my x server finally started, andIt loaded a debian splash and then froze... |
| 02:16.39 | sanxiyn | jvw: Ah, found packages.debian.org source, I think. |
| 02:16.42 | worthy | beardy: i didn't |
| 02:16.43 | sanxiyn | jvw: http://cvs.debian.org/packages/?root=webwml ? |
| 02:16.49 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: #bash ? |
| 02:16.52 | jvw | lkjlkjlkj: if the server was really broken, people would've complained en masse |
| 02:16.53 | beardy | worthy: Then why should it be there? |
| 02:16.54 | worthy | i want to access my c drive from my linux side |
| 02:16.58 | Wyzard|TP | abrotman: just joined there |
| 02:16.59 | jvw | sanxiyn: yeah, that's it |
| 02:16.59 | lkjlkjlkj | jvm : wouldn't surprise me at all ... this isp is incapable of running a mailserver |
| 02:17.10 | worthy | i thought a dual boot automatically mounted it |
| 02:17.11 | Phat32 | reboot seems to have fixed it |
| 02:17.19 | lordnazgul | is there any way during boot to only dhclient if the link is up? |
| 02:17.26 | sanxiyn | I heard that packages.gentoo.org has performance problem too (it's XSLT) and they are considering complete rewrite... |
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| 02:17.29 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: ah .. ok .. just thought it might be easier to get a decent answer .. you know .. we're just lowly debian users |
| 02:17.36 | beardy | worthy: No, it doesn't, not until you tell your /etc/fstab that is what you want. |
| 02:17.40 | AgentJ87 | abrotman |
| 02:17.44 | AgentJ87 | i need ur hep again |
| 02:17.45 | abrotman | AgentJ87 |
| 02:17.47 | abrotman | !ur |
| 02:17.47 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 02:17.59 | worthy | beardy: i don't know how to do that :-( |
| 02:18.12 | lordnazgul | excellent abrotman |
| 02:18.18 | asg | lordnazgul: look at ifplugd |
| 02:18.26 | beardy | Who asked about that just a few minutes ago? Wasn't that you? |
| 02:18.27 | lordnazgul | thx asg will do |
| 02:18.29 | jvw | sanxiyn: webwml isn't the problem |
| 02:18.38 | AgentJ87 | «abrotman» im not sure what i did but i change mod on ftp overall, no one can upload dlete or edit |
| 02:18.48 | jvw | sanxiyn: webwml is only for templating and translating, the interesting bits are perl |
| 02:18.51 | abrotman | AgentJ87: you changed the umask ? |
| 02:19.03 | sanxiyn | jvw: Is it difficult to setup locally? |
| 02:19.05 | abrotman | AgentJ87: what ftpd are you using ? |
| 02:19.11 | AgentJ87 | pure ftp |
| 02:19.12 | jvw | sanxiyn: ttbomk, quite simple to do |
| 02:19.14 | abrotman | i mean .. most ftpds work decently well out fo the box |
| 02:19.27 | Phat32 | Now my Desktop is loading but many applets mysteriously died and asked me if i wanted to restart them and the whole system is lagging really badly |
| 02:19.48 | asg | abrotman: vsftpd makes you work for it but it's worth it at the end; for an ftpd that is |
| 02:19.50 | AgentJ87 | it was working good till sumone told me sum bad advice on changing permissions for a file |
| 02:19.52 | Phat32 | and even though i switched it to /dev/psaux my mouse still won't move |
| 02:19.57 | abrotman | asg: proftpd! |
| 02:20.00 | jvw | sanxiyn: if you fix anything interesting, djpig@debian.org would like to know |
| 02:20.04 | Phat32 | Can someone please help? |
| 02:20.05 | worthy | no, he wanted to know how to do that as non room |
| 02:20.06 | beardy | worthy: Read 'man mount'. Do you know the which device your harddrive is, and which partition your windows partition is? |
| 02:20.10 | worthy | i want to know how to do it period |
| 02:20.16 | asg | abrotman: hah |
| 02:20.25 | beardy | worthy: pushy? |
| 02:20.29 | worthy | hda i think |
| 02:20.32 | abrotman | asg: i like proftpd |
| 02:20.35 | worthy | i don't know what the device is |
| 02:20.48 | worthy | brb |
| 02:21.13 | lkjlkjlkj | jvw: weirdness abounds ... the browser loads the Packages file with no problem |
| 02:21.18 | asg | abrotman: it has lots of options ;) |
| 02:21.25 | abrotman | asg: heh |
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| 02:21.32 | beardy | !ntfsro |
| 02:21.32 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 02:21.37 | AgentJ87 | «abrotman» where do i go to reconfigure rights of users and the ftp |
| 02:21.44 | asg | abrotman: <shootselfinfoot/> is one of them iirc |
| 02:21.51 | abrotman | asg: it's not that bad :) |
| 02:21.57 | asg | abrotman: I know |
| 02:21.58 | beardy | worthy: What dpkg told you above. |
| 02:22.04 | abrotman | AgentJ87: you arleady did it wonce |
| 02:22.15 | abrotman | asg: it has reasonable defaults |
| 02:22.35 | AgentJ87 | plz emplaint to me again also the umask |
| 02:22.36 | asg | abrotman: *nod* |
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| 02:22.48 | abrotman | emplaint? .. wtf kind of word is that? |
| 02:23.11 | Phat32 | Non Fatal error on ida/c0d0 What does that mean? |
| 02:23.11 | asg | abrotman: complaint + <em /> |
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| 02:23.29 | Batou | It's an error, but it wont kill you. |
| 02:23.45 | Phat32 | Now my Desktop is loading but many applets mysteriously died and asked me if i wanted to restart them and the whole system is lagging really badly |
| 02:23.56 | karsten | How do I figure out what the encoding of a character (eg: '@') in a URL is? |
| 02:24.00 | Kuwanger | I'm doing a network install of Debian. Is there any way for me to do a quasi-network install, where I can d/l the packages once to a separate partition? |
| 02:24.02 | karsten | Eg: %22 == space. |
| 02:24.09 | abrotman | 20 ? |
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| 02:24.15 | bbrazil | karsten: man ascii |
| 02:24.20 | abrotman | karsten: it's the ascii code afaik |
| 02:24.22 | karsten | abrotman: Right. |
| 02:24.25 | karsten | bbrazil: Danke. |
| 02:24.31 | karsten | bbrazil: ... or obrigado, if you prefer. |
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| 02:24.50 | bbrazil | karsten: 'Go raibh maith agat' actually |
| 02:24.51 | asg | abrotman: thought it was the hex code |
| 02:25.01 | abrotman | asg: it's the ascii code .. in hex :) |
| 02:25.02 | bbrazil | asg: the hex of the ascii |
| 02:25.02 | karsten | bbrazil: What language is that? |
| 02:25.06 | bbrazil | karsten: Irish |
| 02:25.17 | asg | abrotman, bbrazil: *nod* |
| 02:25.27 | karsten | bbrazil: May the road be short and the wind always at your back... |
| 02:25.36 | Phat32 | What is ida/c0d0? |
| 02:25.38 | karsten | bbrazil: ... but not *too* near, if you get my drift. |
| 02:25.40 | gmcinnes | how do you mount a partition as a normal user? |
| 02:25.40 | AgentJ87 | how do i change umask |
| 02:25.41 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 02:25.41 | abrotman | asg: so they are all two characture codes .. |
| 02:25.52 | abrotman | damn .. my spelling is all wrong tonight .. |
| 02:25.54 | karsten | gmcinnes: 'user' spec in /etc/fstab |
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| 02:26.08 | karsten | abrotman: Perhaps you meant caricature codes? |
| 02:26.17 | gmcinnes | karsten: Thanks. How do I do it at the command line? user=foo ? |
| 02:26.23 | kino | packages.debian.org is down :( I just installed debian today |
| 02:26.26 | abrotman | karsten: no |
| 02:26.40 | abrotman | kino: it's not really down .. it's taking a nap |
| 02:26.43 | karsten | gmcinnes: You don't. It's got to be in /etc/fstab. |
| 02:26.49 | abrotman | kino: what do you want to know ? |
| 02:26.50 | karsten | gmcinnes: ... otherwise only root can mount. |
| 02:26.53 | kino | hey what's with the old version of programs |
| 02:27.03 | kino | xchat, firefox, gimp packages are old versions |
| 02:27.08 | karsten | kino: It's 80's night for #debian. |
| 02:27.10 | abrotman | that's called .. stable |
| 02:27.23 | kino | I want cutting edge |
| 02:27.28 | thingfish | pfft |
| 02:27.29 | gmcinnes | karsten: I have root though. I just want to mount the partition at /home/foo |
| 02:27.32 | karsten | kino: Try "experimental" |
| 02:27.37 | puetzk | kino: that's called... unstable :-) |
| 02:27.47 | puetzk | or occasionally backports |
| 02:27.51 | karsten | gmcinnes: 'mount <options> <filesystem> <mountpoint> |
| 02:28.02 | kino | do debian packages have options you can modify? |
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| 02:28.05 | Batou | abrotman: if packages.debian.org is... taking a nap :) that would stop the netinst cd-rom working wouldn't it? Thats where it gets the actualy software components from? |
| 02:28.07 | karsten | !tell kino about stable |
| 02:28.13 | abrotman | Batou: no |
| 02:28.14 | karsten | kino: Such as? |
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| 02:28.37 | Batou | abrotman: darn, means that there really is a problem with my install :( |
| 02:28.41 | karsten | !tell kino about releases |
| 02:28.45 | abrotman | Batou: did you try both kernels ? |
| 02:28.50 | EleckttrusS | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key jajajajajaj |
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| 02:28.58 | abrotman | AgentJ87: do NOT msg me |
| 02:28.59 | Batou | abrotman: there's more than one? |
| 02:29.04 | jvw | Batou: packages.d.o is only for users |
| 02:29.05 | abrotman | Batou: 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 02:29.10 | AgentJ87 | k |
| 02:29.12 | jvw | Batou: a user interface |
| 02:29.13 | Batou | ah |
| 02:29.16 | abrotman | AgentJ87: talk in the channel |
| 02:29.28 | jvw | Batou: every mirror has the necessary info and the actual software |
| 02:29.31 | AgentJ87 | how do i change my umask |
| 02:29.32 | abrotman | AgentJ87: read the man page for your ftpd .. so probably .. man pureftpd.conf |
| 02:29.33 | jvw | Batou: and there are hundreds of them |
| 02:29.49 | bbrazil | karsten: aren't there --http-password options? |
| 02:29.50 | karsten | So: http://user@domain:pass@buzilla.dom/path/insanely-long-query-string' doesn't work. |
| 02:29.57 | abrotman | Batou: so .. try . linux26 at the little splash screen |
| 02:30.00 | karsten | AgentJ87: 'help umask' |
| 02:30.05 | abrotman | karsten: ftpd |
| 02:30.12 | Batou | abrotman: I'll do that, thanks. |
| 02:30.18 | karsten | abrotman: ... and it's a bash builtin FYI. |
| 02:30.23 | karsten | abrotman: ?? It's an http server. |
| 02:30.29 | Batou | I'm still pretty new to linux :) |
| 02:30.31 | abrotman | karsten: he's asking about his ftpd |
| 02:30.44 | abrotman | karsten: users can't upload/delete/rename/etc |
| 02:30.47 | karsten | abrotman: O...kay.... |
| 02:30.56 | abrotman | karsten: right .. |
| 02:30.58 | karsten | abrotman: Ah. And that's a *problem* ? |
| 02:31.07 | AgentJ87 | «abrotman» No manual entry for pureftpd.conf |
| 02:31.11 | AgentJ87 | i got that error |
| 02:31.23 | bbrazil | karsten: abrotman thought you were trying to help Batou (I think) |
| 02:31.34 | karsten | bbrazil: One of us is sorely mistaken. |
| 02:31.40 | puetzk | karsten: I think you'll have to escape the first @ (as %40) |
| 02:32.03 | abrotman | karsten: it certainly should work |
| 02:32.12 | karsten | puetzk: I tried that, no dice. |
| 02:32.20 | karsten | abrotman: Which? |
| 02:32.29 | karsten | puetzk: ... wget has --user and --password options. |
| 02:32.37 | puetzk | guess that works |
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| 02:32.41 | karsten | puetzk: modulo '--' / '-' length... |
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| 02:33.02 | Batou | gonna go try using linux26, thanks for the help |
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| 02:33.09 | abrotman | AgentJ87: maybe man pure-ftpd.conf |
| 02:33.20 | AgentJ87 | k |
| 02:33.32 | AgentJ87 | No manual entry for pure-ftpd.conf |
| 02:33.46 | Pedro420 | nvz: nandrew ? |
| 02:33.46 | abrotman | there should be one in /etc/ somewhere |
| 02:34.03 | abrotman | isn't there a #pureftpd ? |
| 02:34.14 | AgentJ87 | not sure |
| 02:34.16 | AgentJ87 | lemme look |
| 02:35.13 | bgat | anyone here know anything about lvm? |
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| 02:35.33 | worthy | warez....? |
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| 02:35.45 | noiesmo | AgentJ87, http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/index.php?showtopic=769 |
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| 02:35.47 | bgat | Logical Volume Manager |
| 02:35.50 | sanxiyn | bgat: I know just enoug to type "lvm howto" at Google. |
| 02:35.50 | mike_ | sure |
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| 02:35.53 | worthy | anyway |
| 02:35.56 | AgentJ87 | k |
| 02:36.04 | worthy | my linux doesn't see my windows partition at all :-( |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | worthy: what is it ? |
| 02:36.46 | bgat | sanxiyn: yea, but I have a checksum error in my metadata... seems a bit beyond "howto"-level help at the moment. I'll give that another try, tho. |
| 02:36.49 | worthy | im trying to mount my windows partition abrotman |
| 02:36.55 | JackInTheBox | hello there.. is there a way to distribute the bandwith to certain IP's? |
| 02:36.56 | abrotman | and which partition is it ? |
| 02:37.00 | mike_ | do hyou have ntfs module or kernel support? |
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| 02:37.13 | worthy | i don't know mike |
| 02:37.17 | worthy | im 3 days new |
| 02:37.23 | abrotman | worthy: which partition is it ? |
| 02:37.23 | karsten | worthy: It's being shunned. |
| 02:37.30 | worthy | i want my C drive |
| 02:37.32 | karsten | JackInTheBox: ?? |
| 02:37.36 | jcole | is there a way to get sql access to the debian package database? |
| 02:37.41 | Pingy | worthy, ntfs still isent fully supported under Linux |
| 02:37.46 | abrotman | worthy: WHAT partition is it? |
| 02:37.48 | worthy | it doesn't read that partition in fstab or mount abrotman |
| 02:37.52 | mike_ | read access is isn't it? |
| 02:37.54 | worthy | ntfs |
| 02:37.57 | karsten | worthy: What filesystem? NTFS? Or what 'Doze? Win98/ME/95 or WinNT/2K/XP? |
| 02:37.57 | worthy | windows |
| 02:37.59 | JackInTheBox | like direct certain amounts of internet bandwith to certains ip's |
| 02:38.05 | abrotman | worthy: that's not what i'm asking oyu .. is it the first partition? second? 25th ? |
| 02:38.05 | worthy | windows xp |
| 02:38.07 | Pingy | people still have trouble with ntfs under Linux |
| 02:38.18 | worthy | first parition |
| 02:38.23 | abrotman | worthy: on the first drive ? |
| 02:38.28 | worthy | yes |
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| 02:38.32 | jcole | !ntfs |
| 02:38.32 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 02:38.32 | abrotman | worthy: is it sata or scsi or pata ? |
| 02:38.34 | karsten | worthy: mkdir /mnt/windows mount -r -t ntfs <windows partition> /mnt/windows # as root |
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| 02:38.39 | worthy | scsi |
| 02:38.48 | karsten | worthy: cat /proc/partitions |
| 02:38.53 | abrotman | worthy: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 02:38.59 | nkuttler | JackInTheBox: lartc.org? |
| 02:39.02 | jmfrei | hey guys |
| 02:39.08 | worthy | wow let me write all this down |
| 02:39.09 | mike_ | hi jmfrei |
| 02:39.10 | worthy | thanks guys |
| 02:39.15 | PsySine | where can i find the logs of dovecot? |
| 02:39.18 | karsten | jmfrei: Don't forget the bots. |
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| 02:39.45 | karsten | PsySine: Read your debian policy: /var/log/<packagename> or /var/log/<packagename>/<files> |
| 02:39.57 | jmfrei | Right now, I'm using gnome and I'm trying to get my DVDs to automount. I have automount enabled in the preferences. As of now, I can manually mount the drive. Is there something I could be missing? |
| 02:39.58 | jmfrei | hi bots |
| 02:40.02 | jcole | worthy: i use this http://www.kruyt.org/?sub_item=46 |
| 02:40.08 | PsySine | karsten: is isn't there |
| 02:40.34 | jcole | where is the debian package database |
| 02:40.49 | karsten | PsySine: zgrep -r /var/log dovecot |
| 02:40.57 | abrotman | jcole: DO NOT FUCKING TELL HIM THAT |
| 02:40.59 | PsySine | karsten: i gound it now, mail.* |
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| 02:41.13 | mememe | hi people |
| 02:41.16 | PsySine | karsten: thanks' |
| 02:41.25 | abrotman | jcole: if you're not going to be here to pick up the pieces of worthy's system .. do not tell him to use that garbage |
| 02:41.32 | mememe | can someone tell me how 2^17-1 is said in english? |
| 02:41.47 | mike_ | 2 the the 17th power minux 1? |
| 02:41.53 | abrotman | two to the seventh minus one |
| 02:41.59 | karsten | jcole: /var/lib/apt/lists or /var/cache/apt/archives, depending on what you're looking for. |
| 02:42.00 | jcole | abrotman: have you used captive? |
| 02:42.10 | abrotman | jcole: i would not |
| 02:42.15 | karsten | PsySine: NP. 'dpkg -L <package>' may also provide a clue. |
| 02:42.15 | abrotman | jcole: there are still dangers using it |
| 02:42.16 | mike_ | or is it to the 17th minus 1 power? |
| 02:42.17 | mike_ | i failed a math test today, dont ask me |
| 02:42.23 | mememe | abrotman, two to (seventh or seventeenth?) minus one |
| 02:42.32 | abrotman | seventeenth |
| 02:42.34 | abrotman | sorry |
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| 02:42.45 | mememe | michael, it's (2^17)-1 |
| 02:42.52 | mememe | abrotman, thanks |
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| 02:43.03 | mememe | thanks people, you really help me |
| 02:43.14 | noiesmo | hey all Little off topic but just setting up my squid at home and im using a badwork list but im getting blocked on the url containing word "documentation" as i have cum in my badword list is there a way to avoid this as i dont want my kids or there mates searching for porn |
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| 02:43.23 | mememe | now I'm going to sleep (spanish speaking person, couldn't sleep without knowing how to say that) |
| 02:43.36 | karsten | abrotman: What's so bad about captive? |
| 02:43.38 | mememe | thanks again everybody |
| 02:43.44 | mememe | bye |
| 02:43.44 | karsten | !wednesday |
| 02:43.44 | dpkg | wednesday is probably see thursday |
| 02:43.44 | jcole | karsten: i'd like to know what packages depend on gtk2 |
| 02:43.45 | mike_ | buenas noches |
| 02:43.49 | abrotman | karsten: would you trust your data to it ? |
| 02:43.50 | jmfrei | anyone here have an idea? |
| 02:43.55 | mememe | gracias mike_ =) |
| 02:44.04 | jmfrei | I am using autologin btw |
| 02:44.06 | karsten | abrotman: By definition, if it's NTFS, it's already hosed ;-) |
| 02:44.08 | jmfrei | if that matters or not |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | karsten: that's not the point |
| 02:44.16 | karsten | abrotman: Any known issues? |
| 02:44.25 | abrotman | karsten: with NTFS or captive ? |
| 02:44.33 | karsten | abrotman: I didn't know of any particular problems. Captive. |
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| 02:44.57 | karsten | abrotman: ...b ut then I both avoid NTFS _and_ messign with data on foreign, partially supported filesystems, anyway. |
| 02:45.06 | abrotman | karsten: i still hear of people losing all thier data with captive |
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| 02:45.20 | karsten | abrotman: OK. |
| 02:45.27 | abrotman | karsten: but .. it's not my data :) |
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| 02:45.48 | karsten | abrotman: Heh. I thought you said that's not the point ;-) |
| 02:46.22 | cisee | hrm any way to update the internet radio stations list on rythmbox |
| 02:46.31 | abrotman | karsten: it's the "wine" technique of r/w ntfs |
| 02:47.29 | abrotman | karsten: so .. think about how well Wine works .. would you trust your data to it? :) |
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| 02:47.49 | jcole | i've used captive for about a year and haven't had a problem (yet)... abrotman has a good point... you have to be cautious when, A. the package is not in debian, and B. the package has to run binary drivers designed for windows |
| 02:47.52 | AgentJ87 | «abrotman» i found this in ftp config, #debian File creation mask. <umask for files>:<umask for dirs> . |
| 02:47.52 | AgentJ87 | # 177:077 if you feel paranoid. |
| 02:47.53 | AgentJ87 | Umask 133:022 |
| 02:48.03 | AgentJ87 | is that the umask u meant |
| 02:48.03 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 02:48.24 | karsten | abrotman: ... see my earlier comment ;-) |
| 02:48.33 | abrotman | jcole: it's not in debian because of shadiness with what's being used .. namely the .sys driver |
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| 02:48.47 | abrotman | jcole: so .. B implies A :) |
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| 02:49.01 | abrotman | AgentJ87: yes .. that shold be it |
| 02:49.04 | abrotman | !tell AgentJ87 about u |
| 02:49.13 | karsten | abrotman: Most of my NTFS write-support stuff has been password recovery/reset. Which changes a set field w/o changing file length, seems pretty straightforward. A dozen or so times with no ill effects. |
| 02:49.25 | karsten | abrotman: .... unless you consider reviving a vile OS to be an ill effect. |
| 02:49.36 | mike_ | can anyone explain why ext2/3 doesnt need defraging? |
| 02:49.42 | mike_ | or have a doc that explains it? |
| 02:49.43 | abrotman | karsten: afaik .. the old free driver could do that |
| 02:49.49 | mike_ | read a good doc why ntfs does |
| 02:49.50 | abrotman | !defrag |
| 02:49.50 | dpkg | defrag is probably the best windows screensaver, or what windows users do for emotional satisfaction when the frequency of illegal operations and bluescreens has become too big |
| 02:49.54 | mike_ | want a counter point |
| 02:50.01 | karsten | mike_: Google is your friend. |
| 02:50.03 | AgentJ87 | u vs y-o-u you |
| 02:50.04 | AgentJ87 | lol |
| 02:50.11 | mike_ | im doing that now....i hate google |
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| 02:50.23 | karsten | !tell mike about GIYGF |
| 02:50.31 | jcole | brb |
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| 02:50.46 | AgentJ87 | ok abrotman with that umask what do i change if anything |
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| 02:50.50 | cisee | mike_: as long as you use a decent block allocation algorithm defragging isn't necessary |
| 02:51.16 | worthy | is there a way where i can see what my windows parition is called? |
| 02:51.30 | abrotman | mike_: the first link in google seems to explain it |
| 02:51.35 | TraceGreen | worthy, fdisk? |
| 02:51.37 | abrotman | worthy: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 02:51.47 | worthy | ok |
| 02:52.34 | mike_ | worthy: do you only have 1 scsi harddrive in your system? |
| 02:52.44 | abrotman | mike_: first partition on the first drive |
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| 02:52.55 | worthy | yes mike |
| 02:53.01 | worthy | brb |
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| 02:54.38 | ludi | Is "Cas Latency" the same thing as "CL" |
| 02:54.44 | lkjlkjlkj | jvw: hiding the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ (including a partial but apparently complete Packages file) has solved the problem I was seeing. I guess the dodgy files I was maoning about originally messed things up. Any idea why I commonly see "cannot stat file" errors when updating ? |
| 02:54.54 | ludi | Like "Cas Latency 3" versus "CL2" |
| 02:54.54 | cisee | ludi: when referring to ram |
| 02:54.58 | ludi | yes RAM |
| 02:55.10 | cisee | yep why |
| 02:55.43 | ludi | cause I'm trying to get the same exact 512 stick so i can dual channel |
| 02:55.48 | stouset | ludi: Yes. |
| 02:55.58 | ludi | mine says CL2 but online the same "model" says "cas latency 3" |
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| 02:56.09 | worthy | can i flood without being bunced? |
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| 02:56.19 | worthy | to show the list of devices |
| 02:56.19 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:56.20 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 02:56.24 | mike_ | i think flood on #flood |
| 02:56.36 | marshal | ok i got debian installed how can i install testing or unstable? |
| 02:56.49 | abrotman | !tell marshal about sarge->etch |
| 02:56.57 | mike_ | edit /etc/apt/source.list |
| 02:57.21 | marshal | abrotman, thanks bro |
| 02:57.28 | worthy | ./dev/hda1 * 1 2295 18434556 7 HPFS/NTFS |
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| 02:58.11 | abrotman | i thought it was scsi ? |
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| 02:59.06 | worthy | my C drive is on /dev/hda1 |
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| 02:59.26 | worthy | in the first part of the partition |
| 02:59.41 | Pingy | hda type devices are IDE hard drives, sda are ether scsi or sata or some other type of hard drive |
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| 03:00.39 | marshal | !tell marshal about downgrade |
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| 03:01.29 | chou-chou | !tell chou-chou about sex |
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| 03:01.50 | chou-chou | i love that lmao |
| 03:02.03 | dondelelcaro | chou-chou, marshal: please /msg the bot instead... |
| 03:02.43 | marx | I just killed powernowd and now my computer runs alot faster :D |
| 03:03.08 | rvalles | and consumes some extra power |
| 03:03.10 | rvalles | doesn't it? :P |
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| 03:03.27 | marx | doesnt matter |
| 03:03.34 | chou-chou | dondelelcaro: might want to move the unzip before strip.. :) |
| 03:03.35 | marx | I'm plugged in |
| 03:03.49 | PsySine | hi again i am using dovecot-imap to fetch mail from my home directory om the server, but when i send mail to the server it only comes to /var/spool/mail what is wring? |
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| 03:04.45 | dondelelcaro | PsySine: the MTA is delivering to /var/spool/mail instead of your home directory. |
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| 03:04.49 | worthy | how do i mount this: /dev/hda1 * 1 2295 18434556 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 03:04.59 | dondelelcaro | PsySine: either fix the MTA, or set up a procmail to stick it in the proper folder. |
| 03:05.41 | mike_ | worthy: make a new directory, then mount /dev/hda1 /new/directory |
| 03:05.52 | worthy | thanks |
| 03:06.06 | mike_ | might have to do mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /new/dir |
| 03:06.19 | PsySine | dondelelcaro: could it be that it shouldn't be getting mail from my home dir? |
| 03:06.25 | mike_ | but your kernel has to support ntfs or you need to load an ntfs module |
| 03:06.33 | mike_ | and this is read only...don't write to ntfs |
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| 03:08.27 | dondelelcaro | PsySine: that's just a function of your dovecot-imap configuration. |
| 03:09.25 | PsySine | dondelelcaro: what should i do, try to change dovecot-imap, fix exim, or set up a procmail? |
| 03:09.27 | dondelelcaro | PsySine: and more importantly, what you've set default_mail_env to. |
| 03:09.39 | dondelelcaro | PsySine: that depends where you want your mail to end up. |
| 03:09.48 | PsySine | doesn't matter |
| 03:10.03 | worthy | mike_: niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 03:10.11 | dondelelcaro | PsySine: well, make a decision... generally if you're going to do complicated things (multiple folders, etc) your home directory is the right place. |
| 03:10.15 | mike_ | worthy: happy |
| 03:10.19 | PsySine | where can i find default_mail_env? |
| 03:10.22 | mike_ | niceeeeeeeee |
| 03:10.24 | TraceGreen | Hello, how can i format a partition to ref** in linux? |
| 03:10.29 | dondelelcaro | PsySine: in /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf |
| 03:10.30 | worthy | is this permenent mount? |
| 03:10.34 | mike_ | no |
| 03:10.47 | mike_ | look into /etc/fstab for automounting at boot time |
| 03:10.52 | worthy | i made an icon on my desktop with the command in it ;-) |
| 03:11.05 | TraceGreen | i can't remember the tool and the name of filesystem "ref**" |
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| 03:11.48 | worthy | ok |
| 03:12.13 | mike_ | if it mounts at boot time, many GUI's will put an icon on desktop for you |
| 03:12.20 | ansong | TraceGreen, could you possibly mean reiserfs? |
| 03:12.32 | TraceGreen | yeah ! ansong |
| 03:12.48 | mike_ | mke2fs? |
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| 03:13.02 | TraceGreen | let me check it. mike_ |
| 03:13.15 | ansong | TraceGreen, you want to man mkreiserfs |
| 03:13.56 | TraceGreen | ansong, does it exist mkreiserf? |
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| 03:16.33 | SqueegeeMan | I have a new system that keeps rebooting for no obvious reason. Is there anyway (log file or whatever) to see what is causing this? I tried /var/log/messages and says nothing pertinent. Is there anywhere else I can look? |
| 03:16.50 | EdLin | run memtest86 |
| 03:16.54 | abrotman | overheat ? |
| 03:16.54 | SqueegeeMan | ok |
| 03:16.55 | PsySine | dondelelcaro: thank you very much |
| 03:16.59 | SerajewelKS | does debian have a tool for defragmenting any filesystems? ext[23], vfat, ...? |
| 03:17.01 | mike_ | /var/log/boot.log? /var/log/xorg.log? |
| 03:17.07 | karsten | SqueegeeMan: Serial logging may be useful. |
| 03:17.09 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you should know better! |
| 03:17.20 | mike_ | just reading about ext23 |
| 03:17.25 | mike_ | they don't need defraging |
| 03:17.29 | karsten | SqueegeeMan: ... I'd suspect HW or bad kernel drivers. /var/log/messages kernel and debug are the usual suspects |
| 03:17.35 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: unlike Windows file systems, Debian's file systems don't need defragging |
| 03:17.37 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: than what? fragmentation happens. |
| 03:17.44 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i know how to defrag fat |
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| 03:17.48 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: bullshit |
| 03:17.49 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: not enough on ext2 to matter |
| 03:17.50 | mike_ | but it doesnt matter |
| 03:17.59 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: google "ext2 defrag" |
| 03:17.59 | mike_ | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2005-05/2631.html |
| 03:18.01 | SqueegeeMan | thanks guys, that gives me something to try |
| 03:18.06 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: since debian supports vfat, i'd like to see you say that again |
| 03:18.09 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: no, it's not, extent based file systems such as the Unix ones don't need defragging. |
| 03:18.26 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: well, most people don't run vfat except for exchanging with brain-dead OSs. |
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| 03:18.35 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: i included vfat in my question |
| 03:18.40 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i know how to defrag fat32 from debian! |
| 03:18.48 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: tar? |
| 03:19.11 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: mv /fat32/* /tmp/fat32/; mv /tmp/fat32/ /fat32/ |
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| 03:19.59 | SerajewelKS | shriuken! (sp) |
| 03:20.07 | abrotman | shuriken ? |
| 03:20.15 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: sure |
| 03:20.23 | worthy | my new device on my deskto doesn't work :-( |
| 03:20.24 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: if you *need* vfat you probably have a MS OS that comes with defragmenting tools for it. Otherwise, you use Unix-style file systems like ext2/3 or the more advanced but a bit less stable Reiserfs or XFS that also have built-in fragment avoidance like ext2+ |
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| 03:20.52 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: well yeah.. but who wants to reboot just to defrag their multimedia storage drive |
| 03:21.06 | abrotman | !info libnids1.20 etch |
| 03:21.14 | dondelelcaro | if you actually care whether the drive is fragmented, there's something seriously wrong |
| 03:21.18 | dpkg | libnids1.20: (IP defragmentation TCP segment reassembly library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.20-3 (etch), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 03:21.18 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: I think there's a fat defragger in debian |
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| 03:21.32 | abrotman | bbrazil: apt-cache search defrag .. only shows the above |
| 03:21.33 | I4NI | ext fs's can get after fragmented after years, then you just tar |
| 03:22.18 | asuffield | I4NI: only if they spend most of that time very nearly full |
| 03:22.19 | I4NI | right, this was a high volume file server |
| 03:22.47 | SerajewelKS | rice rice baby |
| 03:23.07 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i guess you could write a defragger for vfat .. |
| 03:23.36 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: I know a good FAT defragger in Debian. rm -rf * |
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| 03:24.02 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: excuse me for not being amused... |
| 03:24.11 | asuffield | I4NI: the trick is to keep your storage upgrades a few months ahead of your usage |
| 03:24.27 | abrotman | asuffield: you're such an optimist :) |
| 03:24.27 | asuffield | if you always upgrade when the filesystem is >80% full then you should never have any trouble |
| 03:24.54 | asuffield | (and realistically that's not a bad policy just on general principles, to avoid sticking the users with a full disk) |
| 03:25.48 | I4NI | its not a problem now, this was a few years ago |
| 03:25.58 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: mmm |
| 03:26.12 | I4NI | now that hard disks are so cheap, theres no reason not to upgrade storage |
| 03:26.24 | I4NI | mmm bop |
| 03:26.45 | abrotman | Pingy: it was more than one guy |
| 03:26.51 | Pingy | :S |
| 03:26.55 | I4NI | it was two guys and a girl |
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| 03:27.00 | abrotman | it was three brothers |
| 03:27.07 | abrotman | and toresbe knows all thier names! |
| 03:27.08 | Pingy | the girl was a brother? |
| 03:27.22 | I4NI | lol, one of them just looked like a girl |
| 03:27.22 | SerajewelKS | i was exposed to them at college :D |
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| 03:27.27 | Pingy | :O!!!! |
| 03:27.29 | SerajewelKS | that was supposed to be :S |
| 03:27.34 | SerajewelKS | bad fingers! |
| 03:27.50 | benjamindees | anyone recommend a way to be able to shutdown/restart from xdm? |
| 03:27.59 | SerajewelKS | the guy's got a good voice, just wish he woulda done something else with it |
| 03:28.07 | SerajewelKS | like, something good |
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| 03:28.14 | bbrazil | benjamindees: crtl-alt-f1 crtl-alt-delete |
| 03:28.15 | abrotman | benjamindees: ctrl-alt-f1 .. login .. do what you want :) |
| 03:28.23 | abrotman | bbrazil: that only reboots! |
| 03:28.43 | abrotman | unless you hold in the power switch |
| 03:28.56 | mike_ | check /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.conf i think |
| 03:28.57 | Pingy | bring it down to init 1? |
| 03:28.59 | abrotman | benjamindees: iknow gdm has options to let you shut down/reboot from the gdm interface |
| 03:29.00 | bbrazil | abrotman: yes, I took the '/' to mean or |
| 03:29.02 | Pingy | and go back to init 5 or so? |
| 03:29.17 | abrotman | bbrazil: i assumed he'd like to be able to do both :) |
| 03:29.22 | Pingy | or use top to kill off any x related programs? |
| 03:29.41 | secher | Ok, dpkg is telling me not to use scsi emulation for my dvd, however cdroast is telling me that I should have scsi emulation.. to whom do I listen? |
| 03:29.43 | abrotman | Pingy: that's not even close |
| 03:29.48 | Pingy | :O |
| 03:29.54 | benjamindees | how about a *box window manager with a sane minimization strategy? |
| 03:29.59 | SimonRaven | not cdroast |
| 03:30.01 | ansong | SerajewelKS, i'm not sticking up for fellow okies, but i've heard... heard, mind you, that hansons latest album is a bit more adult oriented |
| 03:30.04 | abrotman | secher: uname -r |
| 03:30.11 | secher | 2.6.8 |
| 03:30.16 | SerajewelKS | ansong: they're still a band? |
| 03:30.17 | abrotman | trust the bot! |
| 03:30.45 | secher | Kk.. that's all I wanted. Peace to you and yours. |
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| 03:31.04 | marshal | willl testing install 2.6 ? |
| 03:31.12 | towrow | After installing splashy, no splash on boot-up but i have: "etc/rcS.d/S10splashy10 Permission denied." How to find out what is the reason for the denial? |
| 03:31.24 | ansong | SerajewelKS, from what i hear. their fansite is http://www.hanson.net/ |
| 03:31.34 | bbrazil | towrow: ls -l /etc/rcS.d/S10splashy10 |
| 03:31.36 | Pingy | you seem to know alot about hanson :S |
| 03:31.41 | bbrazil | towrow: probably not executable |
| 03:31.52 | EdLin | marshal: Stable installs 2.6, just type "linux26" at the first prompt instead of pressing enter. |
| 03:31.52 | I4NI | they have a fan club? that means someone actually listens to them |
| 03:32.23 | EdLin | I don't even know who Hanson is. |
| 03:32.36 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: good.. keep it that way.. |
| 03:32.40 | I4NI | me either |
| 03:32.52 | towrow | bbrazil: it is 755. |
| 03:33.20 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: that's what I figured |
| 03:33.39 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: unless you like it when really annoying tunes get stuck in your head for weeks |
| 03:34.08 | bbrazil | towrow: have you checked the README.Debian? try running it post bootup - does it work? |
| 03:34.10 | EdLin | blech |
| 03:35.05 | SerajewelKS | musically speaking, their songs are pretty good. but listening to them drives one to question his own sexuality. |
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| 03:35.15 | EdLin | Rock and Roll is nearly dead thanks to the RIAA and cohorts |
| 03:35.41 | sander | hi.. what package do I need to install to get rid of this msg when i'm compiling some packages from source?: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
| 03:35.50 | abrotman | EdLin: it died with the birth of the CD |
| 03:35.57 | abrotman | or perhaps the rise |
| 03:36.18 | EdLin | abrotman: what's wrong about CDs? Besides the fact that they have worse record covers |
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| 03:38.26 | psusi | does Richard Atterer happen to be around? |
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| 03:38.49 | abrotman | EdLin: you don't listen to the whole thing .. just the songs you want |
| 03:39.10 | abrotman | EdLin: you can release a CD with 2 GREAT songs .. and 12 crappy ones .. and make a crap load of cash |
| 03:39.14 | towrow | bbrazil: can it run after boot-up? how to do that? |
| 03:39.26 | EdLin | abrotman: I usually listen to the whole thing, but then again, I don't usually get albums that don't have good songs throughout. |
| 03:39.34 | nukeskyjmpr | s/great/catchy/h |
| 03:39.36 | nukeskyjmpr | er... /g |
| 03:39.49 | bbrazil | towrow: I don't know - haven't used it. try /etc/init.d/splashy10 start |
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| 03:39.55 | sanxiyn | nukeskyjmpr: /gi? |
| 03:40.06 | nukeskyjmpr | sanxiyn: there we go |
| 03:40.15 | abrotman | EdLin: when was the last time you bought a CD .. 1996? |
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| 03:41.08 | m4lu6 | nice night for a new debian installation. |
| 03:41.12 | EdLin | abrotman: I usually don't buy contemporary CDs unless they are from artists who've been around a while |
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| 03:41.28 | abrotman | so what was the last CD you bought that was good throughout? |
| 03:41.36 | sander | I also get this msg: pwd.h: No such file or directory |
| 03:41.37 | EdLin | Rush 2112 |
| 03:41.39 | Guerin | abrotman: king kapisi, savage thoughts |
| 03:41.50 | sander | I bet i'm missing some basic packages |
| 03:41.51 | psusi | of course, that explains why I don't own many |
| 03:42.13 | abrotman | EdLin: i don't thikn that counts |
| 03:42.25 | toresbe | Now that's something to do with the day! |
| 03:42.30 | EdLin | abrotman: also something released in 2005: the Cream Reunion. |
| 03:42.38 | abrotman | still not counting! :) |
| 03:42.38 | roler | I am having a really big issue with my debian testing installation. I'm not sure if it happened after 2006, or after my last apt-get update/dist-upgrade. but, everytime I boot up, and then reboot fsck hangs and says something like 'Superblock last mount time in future' and it refuses to boot. So I go into bios, set my clock 1 day ahead, and it works fine next bootup. then when I reboot after that, I have to start all over. what giv |
| 03:42.38 | roler | es? |
| 03:42.53 | toresbe | Go to Ye Olde Incrediblee Cheepe Vinyle Shoppe |
| 03:43.04 | abrotman | roler: install ntp |
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| 03:43.31 | m4lu6 | hdparm |
| 03:43.41 | sonyman | I swear I grow to love debian more and more everyday. With KDE 3.4.3, k3b finally works :D |
| 03:44.11 | m4lu6 | or tune2fs. |
| 03:44.32 | roler | abrotman, ; my clock is up to date though |
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| 03:45.26 | abrotman | roler: hwclock ? |
| 03:45.38 | psusi | roler, my guess is that your bios clock is hosed and ntp corrects the system clock once everything is up and running |
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| 03:45.53 | psusi | so when you shut down, the correct system time is written to the disk, then on the next boot, it is compared against the incorrect bios time |
| 03:46.00 | kreg | in lilo i always would put a "vga=0x318" line for the framebuffer. can i do that with grub? |
| 03:46.17 | EdLin | kreg: yes |
| 03:46.17 | roler | abrotman, ; i have hwclock installed. what can I do with it? |
| 03:46.18 | psusi | of course... a future timestamp in the super block should NOT halt the boot |
| 03:46.34 | abrotman | roler: check the clock? |
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| 03:47.20 | roler | abrotman, ; INTERESTING! |
| 03:47.26 | ansong | psusi, i had the same problem recently. it diverted me to single user mode and suggested i fsck the disk. it let me <ctrl>-<d> out of it though |
| 03:47.27 | kreg | EdLin, where? |
| 03:47.37 | m4lu6 | is x-window-system going to give me all i want i wonder. |
| 03:47.47 | gravity | m4lu6: What do you want? |
| 03:47.49 | roler | abrotman, ; it says Thu 05 Jan 19:47 while date says Wed Jan 4 |
| 03:48.03 | m4lu6 | i haven't done anything but console for months, i have nearly forgotten about X :) |
| 03:48.10 | EdLin | kreg: the configuration file, /boot/grub/menu.lst, has good comments |
| 03:48.14 | roler | i installed ntp... |
| 03:48.17 | gravity | m4lu6: Well, it'll get you the basics. xdm and the twm window manager. |
| 03:48.23 | psusi | ansong, that sounds like more reasonable behavior |
| 03:48.27 | gravity | m4lu6: For anything more interesting, you'll want some other stuff too |
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| 03:48.32 | m4lu6 | gravity an easy setup. i recall this laptop, toshitty a75, being ... problematic. |
| 03:48.41 | kreg | EdLin, oh in /boot? wow never would of looked there |
| 03:48.42 | kreg | thanks |
| 03:48.43 | gravity | m4lu6: Well, I guess. |
| 03:48.50 | EdLin | kreg: /boot/grub |
| 03:48.58 | m4lu6 | like the crappy atheros madwifi shineoly, the lousy trackpad, kooky screen modelines, etc |
| 03:49.07 | m4lu6 | i should've just bought another new powerbook |
| 03:49.13 | fixion | I just did a dist-upgrade and a package won't install (dpkg --force-all won't help), is there a way to make apt just leave it alone? |
| 03:49.22 | roler | ok |
| 03:49.25 | roler | i set my time with hwclock |
| 03:49.27 | roler | brb, rebooting! |
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| 03:49.55 | kreg | EdLin, since it is not nessary to run "grub" like you do with lilo. how do you test if the lines you add are good? |
| 03:50.11 | lkjlkjlkj | fixion - any particular reason for a dist-upgrade over a plain upgrade ? |
| 03:50.40 | Dewi | lkjlkjlkj: it's meant to be "smarter" |
| 03:50.47 | EdLin | kreg: if they aren't grub can let you edit the kernel boot line by hand to help you recover. |
| 03:50.47 | fixion | lkjlkjlkj, no, not really, why? |
| 03:50.58 | m4lu6 | offhand, anybody know max screen resolution for Toshiba A75? ;) |
| 03:51.17 | fixion | so how do I remove the package from the "to be installed" list? |
| 03:51.32 | fixion | ... so that I can try again when the package isn't broken |
| 03:51.58 | lkjlkjlkj | dist-upgrade tries to force the issue on broken packages which can break your system whereas upgrade will try and leave things until they are properly fixed |
| 03:52.36 | Dewi | lkjlkjlkj: not what man says |
| 03:52.46 | SimonRaven | lkjlkjlkj: why are you spouting nonsense? |
| 03:52.51 | fixion | lkjlkjlkj, the current package works, it's not upgraded, but apt is trying to upgrade it, and it can't, so I just want apt to forget that package |
| 03:52.53 | Dewi | according to man: |
| 03:52.56 | Dewi | "dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system, and it will attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the expense of less important ones if necessary." |
| 03:53.04 | Dewi | so I always use dist-upgrade |
| 03:53.28 | sonyman | I'm trying to remove linux-image v2.6.14 on debian etch and the removal seems to pause at Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub . Thoughts? |
| 03:54.14 | fixion | Dewi, do you know how I can remove the new package that apt ist trying to install? |
| 03:54.33 | SimonRaven | anyway, people should be using dselect-upgrade not dist-upgrade if they're not going to use something more 'advanced' |
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| 03:54.46 | SimonRaven | dist-upgrade is something specific |
| 03:54.54 | m4lu6 | cool. bloody X just started right up :) no screwing around with xorg. excellent. |
| 03:54.56 | lkjlkjlkj | fixion ... first try a straight upgrade, then try aptitude in interactive mode |
| 03:55.29 | gb | m4lu6: how did X get all bloody? |
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| 03:55.43 | m4lu6 | anyone wanna recommend a WM? I will end up using wmaker, i'm sure (always have) but i'm willing to try something new (as long as it's not metacity) |
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| 03:55.48 | fixion | lkjlkjlkj, too late now... I just need to get rid of the package that apt is trying to install, the old one works... |
| 03:55.49 | ansong | damn, enlightenment's all purty |
| 03:56.00 | fixion | m4lu6, IceWm |
| 03:56.06 | gb | m4lu6: waimea |
| 03:56.08 | m4lu6 | nah. i tink i've used ice |
| 03:56.20 | m4lu6 | briefly. waimea? is that real or fiction? |
| 03:56.20 | Dewi | fixion: how installed is it? |
| 03:56.32 | Dewi | fixion: is it failing to install, or failing to post-install-configure? |
| 03:56.33 | fixion | Dewi, not at all, as far as I can tell |
| 03:56.38 | m4lu6 | hmm. waimea, eh? |
| 03:56.43 | Dewi | fixion: then you probably don't need to "remove" it |
| 03:56.48 | fixion | Dewi, carp... post install |
| 03:56.49 | Dewi | fixion: what's the actual problem? |
| 03:56.49 | EdLin | m4lu6: openbox |
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| 03:56.56 | fixion | *crap |
| 03:56.58 | m4lu6 | Oooh. blackbox based? nice. |
| 03:57.04 | m4lu6 | waimea it is. |
| 03:57.15 | fixion | Dewi, yeah, it's a post install problem |
| 03:57.27 | ansong | m4lu6, i've been using fluxbox since gnome wigged out on me, but i'm trying enlightenment now, and i'm impressed: appears to be as lightweight as fluxbox while looking a hair more polished |
| 03:57.39 | Dewi | fixion: how is it failing? maybe you should try and fix it rather than roll back |
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| 03:59.06 | fixion | Dewi, what should I be looking for? It says "rmdir: /etc/hotplug/usb: No such file or directory", then exits with "error code (1)" |
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| 03:59.32 | m4lu6 | hmm. waimea is a little spartan. |
| 03:59.48 | ansong | has anyone else got the issue where http.us.debian.org's public key isn't available? |
| 03:59.56 | m4lu6 | but i'll give it a spin. i like spartan. |
| 03:59.58 | bbrazil | ansong: /topic |
| 04:00.00 | Dewi | fixion: maybe mkdir that directory |
| 04:00.02 | slacker | i am trying to install a package from sarge-testing onto my sarge-stable, followed the instructs but having no luck |
| 04:00.02 | SerajewelKS | wow, okay i'm pissed. kpilot has completely cleared the palm's datebook. |
| 04:00.05 | fixion | Dewi, how can I roll it back? The old lib as only a few weeks older |
| 04:00.07 | Dewi | fixion: if it's removing it straight away it can't do much harm |
| 04:00.20 | ansong | bbrazil, oh wow. completely missed that one |
| 04:00.42 | bbrazil | ansong: you are customer #7 :) |
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| 04:02.15 | ansong | bbrazil, sorry. me and another guy got that yesterday and the key for some reason wasn't available yet. i just thought to ask and didn't think to check |
| 04:03.20 | bbrazil | ansong: its not a problem |
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| 04:03.54 | fixion | Dewi, That worked, thanks! I created every dir that it wanted to delete. |
| 04:04.17 | Dewi | fixion: I guess it just had funny ideas about what you were upgrading *from* |
| 04:06.14 | slacker | i am having difficulty setting up a mixed system on sarge-stable to get some sarge-testing packages, following the howto has not worked, can anyone help? |
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| 04:09.50 | EdLin | slacker: iyntays |
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| 04:10.05 | slacker | Edlin: sorry, ? |
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| 04:10.15 | EdLin | !iyntays |
| 04:10.35 | EdLin | well, "if you need to ask you shouldn't" |
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| 04:10.59 | slacker | well i need to install Kannel, and it is only available in testing |
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| 04:11.58 | sanxiyn | slacker: That sucks. |
| 04:12.17 | slacker | can i build it from source then? |
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| 04:12.42 | EdLin | slacker: no, but you can install it from another level's source debs, which is the best way. |
| 04:13.06 | beardy | !simple sid backport |
| 04:13.06 | dpkg | simple sid backport is, like, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 04:13.08 | beardy | ? |
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| 04:14.38 | slacker | ta |
| 04:14.39 | m4lu6 | hmm. this is kind of annoying. netboot off of a pxe image i had laying around, installed. i'm done. in under an hour. sheesh. |
| 04:14.41 | m4lu6 | what fun is that?? |
| 04:14.48 | m4lu6 | didn't event get to burn a coaster. |
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| 04:15.15 | slacker | i am a debian newb, been using gentoo for almost 2 years now .... this is a bit *different* |
| 04:15.26 | m4lu6 | think different. |
| 04:15.29 | m4lu6 | (tm) |
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| 04:16.14 | beardy | slacker: You might find some of the things in "/msg dpkg grounding" interesting. |
| 04:16.23 | CFSworks | Hello, this may seem like a n00b question, but is it possible to use apt-get to update my kernel? |
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| 04:16.51 | beardy | CFSworks: Yes, it's possible, and the best way if you don't have a reason not to do it that way. |
| 04:17.01 | beardy | CFSworks: Do you run stable? |
| 04:17.16 | CFSworks | beardy, yes. |
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| 04:17.31 | beardy | ehm, a reason not to do it another way, I meant. |
| 04:17.34 | AgentJ87 | hey |
| 04:17.46 | ryanium | BOO USC GO TEXAS |
| 04:17.50 | AgentJ87 | whats the command to keep iroffer runnning when i close my connection with putty |
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| 04:18.02 | AgentJ87 | any ideas |
| 04:18.02 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 04:18.09 | benjamindees | do I need a 2.6 kernel for automount in sarge? |
| 04:18.14 | sanxiyn | AgentJ87: nohup |
| 04:18.23 | AgentJ87 | nohup |
| 04:18.23 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 04:18.30 | AgentJ87 | after i type my comand to run it |
| 04:18.31 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 04:18.36 | AgentJ87 | or on same laine |
| 04:18.39 | AgentJ87 | line |
| 04:18.42 | sanxiyn | nohup <command you want> |
| 04:18.49 | gb | AgentJ87: init 0 will kill it :) |
| 04:18.54 | gb | & everything else :) |
| 04:18.56 | beardy | CFSworks: Then the packagenames is like this; kernel-image-2.x.x |
| 04:18.57 | Stevie | you could also screen it |
| 04:19.08 | sanxiyn | screen works too. |
| 04:19.15 | Stevie | which has the added advantage of being able to revisit the program's output later |
| 04:19.25 | beardy | CFSworks: apt-cache search kernel-image-2. |
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| 04:19.40 | CFSworks | beardy, thanks. |
| 04:19.43 | beardy | CFSworks: for a list of the available ones. |
| 04:19.44 | CFSworks | And I'm not sure if this is an XFree86/r128 question or not, but ATI's website pointed me to Debian for this: I'm having a bit of trouble launching XFree86 with the r128 driver, only the vesa. |
| 04:19.50 | beardy | CFSworks: np |
| 04:19.57 | gb | yeah I run my x in screen so I can fix font issues, etc when needed |
| 04:20.01 | sanxiyn | CFSworks: Too bad. |
| 04:20.25 | benjamindees | CFSworks, you mean the driver ati provides? |
| 04:20.30 | CFSworks | Yes. |
| 04:20.49 | benjamindees | CFSworks, debian can't support that; if you have problems, ask ati |
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| 04:21.06 | abrotman | CFSworks: ask #ati |
| 04:21.15 | abrotman | gravity: if you'd make better ones! |
| 04:21.16 | beardy | !ati |
| 04:21.17 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 04:21.19 | CFSworks | They say they don't have information about their XFree86 drivers; only to point you to your distro's site. |
| 04:21.20 | AgentJ87 | abrotman |
| 04:21.23 | CFSworks | I guess. |
| 04:21.24 | gravity | ifonlaaaay |
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| 04:21.26 | CFSworks | Thanks. |
| 04:21.30 | abrotman | but i don't use pureftpd! |
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| 04:21.47 | AgentJ87 | «abrotman» im trying to get iroffer to run when i close putty , whats a command to keep it running |
| 04:21.57 | benjamindees | CFSworks, you can use either the vesa or r128 drivers included in Debian... |
| 04:22.03 | abrotman | nohup |
| 04:22.08 | AgentJ87 | ok |
| 04:22.12 | beardy | AgentJ87: Run it in a screen that you detach. |
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| 04:22.16 | abrotman | oh |
| 04:22.21 | abrotman | beardy: you understood that ? |
| 04:22.24 | Stevie | isn't it screen -d <command> ? |
| 04:22.28 | beardy | or what abrotman said perhaps |
| 04:22.35 | abrotman | AgentJ87: what do you want to do ? |
| 04:22.35 | AgentJ87 | ohup: appending output to `nohup.out' |
| 04:22.39 | sanxiyn | CFSworks: You're on your own if you use propreitary driver. If possible, avoid at all cost. |
| 04:22.50 | AgentJ87 | im tryin to run iroffer and to keep it running when i close putty |
| 04:22.51 | StarKruzr | does anyone in here understand Red Hat's graphical package management tool for installing packages from disk? #rhel is dead at the moment and I'm kind of in a bind. sorry for asking in here but I'm desperate. |
| 04:22.53 | beardy | Stevie: That starts a detached screen with the command running in it yes. |
| 04:23.04 | benjamindees | okay let me rephrase, is the 2.6 kernel the *best* way to get automount? |
| 04:23.05 | sanxiyn | AgentJ87: And "nohup iroffer" (whatever it is) doesn't work for you? |
| 04:23.10 | beardy | (IIRC correctly) |
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| 04:23.18 | abrotman | wtf is iroffer ? |
| 04:23.31 | AgentJ87 | its a bot for irc |
| 04:23.35 | AgentJ87 | a serving bot |
| 04:23.35 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Apparently, IRC file serving program. |
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| 04:23.39 | AgentJ87 | iroffer.org |
| 04:23.43 | beardy | benjamindees: It depends on more things than the kernel AFAIK. |
| 04:24.14 | abrotman | well .. that doesn't help me :) |
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| 04:24.42 | AgentJ87 | well thet program will run but if i logout putty it will close |
| 04:24.50 | AgentJ87 | i need a command to keep it running |
| 04:24.55 | beardy | AgentJ87: We told you how to do. |
| 04:24.57 | AgentJ87 | i know there is one i cant rmember tho |
| 04:24.59 | beardy | AgentJ87: Listen. |
| 04:25.02 | AgentJ87 | nohup didnt work |
| 04:25.07 | sanxiyn | AgentJ87: It didn't? |
| 04:25.10 | sanxiyn | strange... |
| 04:25.12 | jjazz | AgentJ87: man screen |
| 04:25.17 | benjamindees | StarKruzr, no, RH insists on using their own reinvented tools for everything; I'm sure you could pay them for support... |
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| 04:26.11 | EdLin | !tell StarKruzr -about they don't know |
| 04:26.34 | abrotman | StarKruzr: ask #fedora maybe? |
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| 04:27.35 | blockd_ | CFSworks: whatever you decide to use, ATI's propreitary driver, fglrx, doesn't support Rage cards IIRC...even R200 series is pushing it. |
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| 04:29.06 | Dewi | how do I list the packages on my system that have been *deliberately installed* |
| 04:29.15 | Dewi | as opposed to the numerous depends? |
| 04:29.19 | asuffield | Dewi: did you make such a list? |
| 04:29.34 | Dewi | asuffield: no, but apt must have the info somewhere |
| 04:29.34 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: if you're using aptitude, it's fairly easy. If not, well... |
| 04:29.39 | asuffield | Dewi: why must it? |
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| 04:29.46 | SimonRaven | Dewi: aptitude does it |
| 04:29.55 | jjazz | AgentJ87: plz don't msg me |
| 04:29.55 | StarKruzr | EdLin, even benjamindees' response was more useful than you having dpkg yell at me by proxy. Please don't abuse people who make requests in good faith. abrotman, someone finally replied in #rhel anyway, but thanks for the suggestion :) |
| 04:30.01 | asuffield | aptitude does something vaguely similar, it's not particularly accurate |
| 04:30.02 | benjamindees | what's everyone's favorite automounter? |
| 04:30.02 | Dewi | asuffield: because installing a metapackage behaves differently to installing its depends |
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| 04:30.06 | AgentJ87 | sorry jjazz |
| 04:30.09 | asuffield | Dewi: no it doesn't |
| 04:30.13 | AgentJ87 | i just dont see the command doing man screen |
| 04:30.24 | gravity | benjamindees: gnome-volume-manager if you run gnome |
| 04:30.28 | Dewi | asuffield: the kernel images for example have a number of different meta packages |
| 04:30.36 | abrotman | AgentJ87: in general .. don't msg anyone without permission |
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| 04:30.46 | jjazz | AgentJ87: is screen installed? |
| 04:30.56 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: actually, it's accurate as long as you only use aptitude... |
| 04:30.57 | Dewi | asuffield: if I install the "linux i386" packages instead of a particular kernel image, I was under the impression that the upgrade path would change |
| 04:30.59 | mo1991 | does anyone know of a image viewer for debian that will allow you to see .tiff files that have several pages? Eye of Gnome only lets you see the first page (image) of the tiff. These tiff files with mutliple pages are usually from faxes or scans |
| 04:31.16 | AgentJ87 | yes screen is installe |
| 04:31.27 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: display or feh should be able to; unfortunatly, I almost never see multipage tiff files. |
| 04:31.45 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Well, believe me, APT doesn't maintain the list of "deliberately installed package" anywhere, whatever that is. |
| 04:31.54 | beardy | mo1991: feh ? |
| 04:31.58 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: and as long as you never manually select a dependency for installation... the problem itself isn't particularly meaningful, so all 'solutions' are approximate at best |
| 04:32.11 | jjazz | AgentJ87: screen is there, but no man page? |
| 04:32.25 | gravity | I find approximate better than nothing in this case |
| 04:32.28 | Dewi | so installing a metapackage is exactly the same as installing its depends? |
| 04:32.30 | gravity | aptitude does what I want most of the time |
| 04:32.33 | asuffield | Dewi: yes |
| 04:32.33 | AgentJ87 | its there i just dont see the command i need |
| 04:32.45 | beardy | Dewi: Except you don't get the metapackage installed. |
| 04:32.50 | asuffield | gravity: personally I don't like software that only does what I tell it to 'most' of the time :P |
| 04:32.50 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro beardy - ok , next question - is there a way - or different program - that will allow xsane to scan mutliple pages to 1 tiff file? |
| 04:32.54 | jjazz | AgentJ87: read the man page. It's long, but it's very complete. |
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| 04:33.19 | gravity | asuffield: I'm willing to compromise for a nice level of automation. It'd better let me intervene manually though :-) |
| 04:33.35 | asuffield | I'm not willing to compromise with interfaces to rm :P |
| 04:33.38 | gravity | I generally know my way around aptitude enough so it's not a problem |
| 04:33.43 | Dewi | beardy: am I really the first person to want to list just the packages I asked for, rather than hundreds of libs and crap? |
| 04:33.44 | gravity | heh |
| 04:33.46 | jjazz | AgentJ87: you probably want something like cntrl-a, cntrl-d, but I'm not sure. |
| 04:33.59 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Well, try aptitude? |
| 04:33.59 | beardy | Dewi: huh? |
| 04:34.08 | lkjlkjlkj | AgentJ87, disown in man bash might be worth a look too |
| 04:34.14 | benjamindees | Dewi, you're the first I've seen |
| 04:34.14 | Dewi | sanxiyn: I thought the "info wasn't stored" |
| 04:34.29 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Yes, so aptitude does it "over" APT. |
| 04:34.33 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro anything with a gui interface? for viewer i mean? |
| 04:34.34 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: the info isn't stored if you're using apt or dpkg. |
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| 04:34.40 | asuffield | oh, lots of people *want* to do it, it's just not a particularly meaningful thing to want |
| 04:34.42 | Dewi | so I'd have to be using aptitude 100% of the time |
| 04:34.48 | mo1991 | not big on imaging in linux |
| 04:34.48 | samuel | sup all |
| 04:34.49 | jjazz | mo1991: I once hunted down an app that could do multi-page tiffs. It took a while, and I now forget the app. It *does* exist, but it IIRC, it only exists in one package I could find. |
| 04:34.53 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yes. It's basically a drop in replacement for apt-get anyway. |
| 04:34.59 | beardy | AgentJ87: Ctrl-a ? for help, read the manual, Ctrl-a d to detach, screen -r to reattach. |
| 04:35.01 | samuel | anyone know what program to use in KDE to play DVD discs? |
| 04:35.03 | Dewi | asuffield: it's not particularly meaningful to want to see what somebody has installed on a system? |
| 04:35.12 | beardy | samuel: mplayer or ogle |
| 04:35.20 | asuffield | the distinction between something you 'asked for' and any other package is ill-defined and generally non-existant |
| 04:35.22 | benjamindees | gimp can't do multipage tiffs? I could've sworn there's a kde app that can... |
| 04:35.26 | samuel | beardy: thanks |
| 04:35.26 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I've read things about apttitude messing things up a bit |
| 04:35.30 | beardy | samuel: maybe xine, I don't know how that is nowadays |
| 04:35.32 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: display in imagemagick has one, but it's not that big of a deal. |
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| 04:35.38 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: like what? |
| 04:35.45 | asuffield | particularly in the case of metapackages |
| 04:35.47 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Well, it doesn't. |
| 04:35.48 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: and certainly it seems to do different things in an upgrtade to what "apt-get dist-upgrade" does |
| 04:35.51 | slacker | re sid backport ... Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. do i just modify my local mirror url? |
| 04:35.52 | beardy | Dewi: yeah like what? aptitude is your friend. |
| 04:36.07 | Dewi | a while ago people in here were recommending not using aptitude |
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| 04:36.21 | asuffield | with friends like aptitude, who needs bugs? |
| 04:36.24 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: people in here have been recommending using aptitude for at least the past 3 yearsa. |
| 04:36.34 | Dewi | well anyway |
| 04:36.42 | beardy | Dewi: There are many people here, and people are individuals, one say one thing, someone else something other. |
| 04:36.44 | SimonRaven | because of some bugs. IIRC those bugs are squashed |
| 04:36.45 | Dewi | the list of packages to update looks different in those different tools |
| 04:36.48 | asuffield | and plenty of other people have been avoiding it for at least as long, pesky DWIMmery |
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| 04:37.11 | sanxiyn | I use debfoster myself, but I think it's just a habit now. |
| 04:37.29 | beardy | Dewi: If you want a straight answer, use aptitude. |
| 04:37.39 | asuffield | debfoster's okay so long as you know exactly what it's doing |
| 04:37.53 | Dewi | I find aptitude pretty confusing |
| 04:37.54 | Dewi | for example |
| 04:38.08 | Dewi | if I want to add a package on my "month old testing system" |
| 04:38.12 | Dewi | I can just apt-get install |
| 04:38.12 | sanxiyn | Dewi: aptitude has CLI too you know |
| 04:38.15 | Dewi | but if I run aptitude |
| 04:38.19 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: so aptitude install foopkg; |
| 04:38.21 | Dewi | I *have* to upgrade everything on my system |
| 04:38.30 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Why don't you do aptitude install something? |
| 04:38.31 | EdLin | Dewi: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 04:38.39 | Dewi | I wasn't aware of command line aptitude |
| 04:38.40 | beardy | Dewi: You can just 'aptitude install' too. |
| 04:38.42 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: and no, you don't, unless foopkg depends on something that isn't currently installed. |
| 04:38.44 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Heh. |
| 04:39.24 | jjazz | At the commandline, what does aptitude do that apt-get does not? |
| 04:39.34 | Dewi | sanxiyn: well, what do you expect? first time I ask the question, I get told "don't use aptitude". Second time I mention it, "use aptitude". And assurances that it's 100% the same as apt-get |
| 04:39.36 | lkjlkjlkj | aptitude is pretty solid these days, and the new dependency problem resolution system is excellent ... much easier not to unintentionally trash your system when there is a problem in the archive |
| 04:39.42 | Dewi | which makes me wonder why people are telling me to use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 04:39.49 | beardy | jjazz: The same difference as when run interactive vs apt-get. |
| 04:40.01 | Dewi | it seems unlikely to be exactly the same *except* for recording some extra information about my actions |
| 04:40.05 | beardy | Dewi: Do as you please. |
| 04:40.05 | recall | I was annoyed when aptitude didn't report errors that can't be resolved because of dependency issues...the packages simply were unselected and nothing happened. |
| 04:40.27 | EdLin | jjazz: aptitude tracks the dependencies of what you installed, so running "aptitude remove" or "aptitude purge" will delete unneeded dependencies too. |
| 04:40.27 | mo1991 | jjazz - was the app ghfaxviewer? |
| 04:40.29 | recall | The first couple times this happened I had to scratch my head. |
| 04:40.37 | jjazz | Edlin, Beardy thanks |
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| 04:40.55 | dondelelcaro | recall: it reports them as broken packages the first time you hit U/g. The second time, it fixes any broken packages. |
| 04:41.02 | EdLin | jjazz: actually I don't love aptitude all that much, but it has that feature. |
| 04:41.10 | Dewi | so why is it in synaptic one has to "mark packages for upgrade" |
| 04:41.17 | jjazz | mo1991: It was a few months ago, and I wasn't the one to track it down, so I don't recall. Sorry. |
| 04:41.18 | Dewi | but in aptitude GUI that doesn't exist? |
| 04:41.24 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it exists in aptitude as well. |
| 04:41.39 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: if I type "aptitude" and then just "go", it'll start upgrading stuff |
| 04:41.41 | lkjlkjlkj | Dewi, u ? |
| 04:41.45 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: perhaps you should actually learn how to use aptitude before making vague declaritory statements about it? |
| 04:41.49 | EdLin | !u |
| 04:41.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:41.57 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: uh... not unless you've asked for it to upgrade stuff it won't. |
| 04:42.12 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I don't recall asking it to upgrade my system |
| 04:42.14 | lkjlkjlkj | it will update when you start it |
| 04:42.22 | dondelelcaro | lkjlkjlkj: no, it won't do that either. |
| 04:42.27 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I go into the package list, I select some new pkg, and it upgrades my system too |
| 04:42.39 | Dewi | if I have previously run an "update" obviously |
| 04:42.49 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: if you select a new package, it will install any of the packages that that new package depends upon. |
| 04:42.55 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: that may result in upgrading part of your system. |
| 04:43.01 | lkjlkjlkj | dondelelcaro, you're right ... is that a change ? |
| 04:43.04 | Dewi | my point is that neither synaptic nor apt-get will upgrade things just because I've updated recently |
| 04:43.12 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Huh? |
| 04:43.17 | dondelelcaro | lkjlkjlkj: it's been that way for quite some time. |
| 04:43.19 | Dewi | but aptitude would do that when I used it |
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| 04:43.27 | sanxiyn | Dewi: apt-get surely upgrades depending packages if needed? |
| 04:43.37 | recall | dondelelcaro, i'm not referring to that. For some packages which cannot be used, I don't remember right now, but there were recently KDE packages, simply nothing with happen. |
| 04:43.37 | Dewi | I'm talking about running aptitude |
| 04:43.40 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: neither will aptitude. I'm sitting here looking at the display... |
| 04:43.48 | Dewi | okay, let me ssh to a machine and try it |
| 04:43.50 | Routed | using the Sarge netinstall cd, I created root RAID on LVM. Does this use devfs? |
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| 04:44.27 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: http://archimedes.ucr.edu/ss/ss_200614_204350.png... |
| 04:44.31 | Routed | I can't seem to upgrade to any kernel past 2.6.12.6 |
| 04:44.37 | recall | dondelelcaro, you select the package, hit i, and then g. The current menu is refreshed and no further action is taken. |
| 04:44.46 | SimonRaven | you have to set it so that it'll upgrade things automatically even |
| 04:44.49 | dondelelcaro | recall: that's because there's no possible way to install them. |
| 04:44.59 | Dewi | okay! I run "sudo aptitude" and type "g" |
| 04:45.02 | Dewi | it lists pages of stuff |
| 04:45.03 | recall | dondelelcaro, yes, a message would be helpful =) |
| 04:45.07 | Dewi | being upgraded, installed, deleted |
| 04:45.14 | Dewi | this is on a testing system about a month out of date |
| 04:45.16 | Dewi | I pressed no other keys |
| 04:45.34 | EdLin | Dewi: you're running testing on a server? |
| 04:45.41 | Dewi | no, I'm running testing on a machine at home |
| 04:45.50 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: look at the screenshot that I just gave you; since I did exactly the same thing, with an exception of pressing 'u', you appear to be mistaken. |
| 04:46.01 | Dewi | I didn't press 'u' |
| 04:46.10 | Dewi | I may have done an update since my last upgrade |
| 04:46.27 | beardy | Dewi: But you ran aptitude update, or apt-get update. |
| 04:46.31 | Dewi | but in apt-get and synaptic update does not cause packages to upgrade |
| 04:46.34 | dondelelcaro | well, you've quite clearly selected some packages for upgrade, or asked it to do an upgrade. |
| 04:46.42 | Dewi | upgrade != update |
| 04:46.47 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you're holding back bsdgames? .. you can't handle the new fun? |
| 04:46.48 | sanxiyn | Dewi: u is update, g is upgrade. |
| 04:46.50 | slacker | from <simple sid backport> ... 3) apt-get build dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename => is this all 1 command? |
| 04:46.52 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yes, I believe I'm well aware of that fact. |
| 04:46.55 | Dewi | sanxiyn: no, g is "go" |
| 04:47.07 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I am? |
| 04:47.07 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Anyway. g is not update. |
| 04:47.13 | mo1991 | for everyone's info ghfaxviewer works well with multiple page tiffs |
| 04:47.19 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it's listed under HeldBack |
| 04:47.30 | abrotman | or is that uninstalled ? :) |
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| 04:47.39 | beardy | slacker: It's two commands, ; is the separator, it means, run this ; then run this |
| 04:47.42 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh, that's a misnomer... it's the "could be upgraded, but won't be because you haven't asked me to do an upgrade" |
| 04:47.55 | benjamindees | is the /initrd directory really necessary? |
| 04:47.59 | beardy | slacker: man bash for more |
| 04:48.02 | Dewi | in synaptic, if I go "update", then tick a package, then tell it to "apply", it installs 1 package (plus deps) |
| 04:48.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah ok |
| 04:48.11 | Dewi | in aptitude, if I "u", then select a package, then "g" |
| 04:48.16 | Dewi | it upgrades my whole system |
| 04:48.22 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: http://archimedes.ucr.edu/ss/ss_200614_204752.png that's what it looks like after hitting U |
| 04:48.26 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Well, you can read Aptitude manual now if you want. |
| 04:48.34 | Dewi | and finally: apt-get update; apt-get install 'foo' ... that behaves like syanptic, NOT like aptitude |
| 04:48.35 | lkjlkjlkj | so use aptitude install package |
| 04:48.44 | Alias_ | I've got a headless debian box sitting inside a NAT on DHCP, and the only other box I have is a windows desktop also on DHCP inside the NAT. So I need to use one of the samba-related packages so the box will advertise itself to windows right? |
| 04:48.56 | Dewi | yeah so if I repeat my original question |
| 04:49.01 | abrotman | i think dselect left such a sour taste in my mouth .. i'm not sure i'll ever use aptitude |
| 04:49.06 | Wyzard|TP | Dewi: On the Options menu, choose Miscellaneous |
| 04:49.10 | abrotman | well .. on a regular basis |
| 04:49.10 | recall | Someone pulled a rtfm, someone mark the time of death... |
| 04:49.11 | Dewi | how do I make the non-CLI aptitude behave like synaptic or apt-get? |
| 04:49.18 | Wyzard|TP | Dewi: The first option is "automatically upgrade installed packages" |
| 04:49.18 | beardy | Alias_: As a windows fileserver, yes. |
| 04:49.20 | slacker | beardy: thanks |
| 04:49.41 | Wyzard|TP | Dewi: Turn that off, and it won't automatically mark newer versions to be installed -- you'll have to press 'U' to select the upgrades for installation |
| 04:49.51 | Alias_ | beardy: So which specific modules would that need to be though? |
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| 04:50.01 | Dewi | Wyzard|TP: but how do I update my package list without marking for install? |
| 04:50.09 | beardy | abrotman: That's why you will like aptitude. |
| 04:50.24 | Wyzard|TP | Dewi: By turning that option off |
| 04:50.28 | beardy | !samba |
| 04:50.29 | dpkg | [samba] a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 04:50.32 | Dewi | Wyzard|TP: so then how to I upgrade? |
| 04:50.42 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: u then U. |
| 04:50.45 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: then g. |
| 04:50.50 | dondelelcaro | it's pretty simple. |
| 04:50.53 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: you've changed your tune |
| 04:51.05 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: before you were insisting that aptitude didn't autoamtically mark packages for upgrade |
| 04:51.11 | lkjlkjlkj | Dewi, say you do aptitude update then aptitude install package. how does that not do what you want ? |
| 04:51.14 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: now you're agreeing with the guy who says it's an option on by default? |
| 04:51.14 | dondelelcaro | http://archimedes.ucr.edu/ss/ss_200614_205056.png |
| 04:51.15 | abrotman | beardy: because .. i don't need it ? |
| 04:51.17 | Wyzard|TP | Dewi: It doesn't, if you don't have that option enabled :-) |
| 04:51.27 | Wyzard|TP | Dewi: I'm pretty sure it's off by default though |
| 04:51.27 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it doesn't. That option isn't ON BY DEFAULT. |
| 04:51.37 | sanxiyn | Dewi: That option is not on by default. |
| 04:51.43 | dondelelcaro | if you've got it turned on, there's little I can do for you. |
| 04:51.50 | Wyzard|TP | Dewi: Right now I'm using a new laptop which I just received last week, and I've never touched that option on this computer until just now, and it's off |
| 04:51.56 | Dewi | okay |
| 04:52.00 | gmcinnes | anyone familiar with yaird? I can't get it to see my lvm volume groups |
| 04:52.01 | Dewi | well either I turned it on a year ago |
| 04:52.04 | Dewi | or it used to be on by default |
| 04:52.16 | gmcinnes | other than the fact that I can't boot, it's pretty cool. |
| 04:52.29 | beardy | abrotman: Then you don't. I just meant that if you wanted to use something like dselect, but didn't like it, you might find aptitude nice. But same for you as everyone, do as you please :) |
| 04:52.34 | DragonD | strange things happening..... |
| 04:53.02 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: it doesn't change the fact that you and others repeatedly contradicted what I was saying about my system's behaviour |
| 04:53.02 | abrotman | beardy: i just didn't like the infinite damn loops dselect would get stuck in :) |
| 04:53.06 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: option or not |
| 04:53.26 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: should I only ask questions in here if my system it identical to debian's defaults? |
| 04:53.28 | abrotman | beardy: though .. i think that was on slink .. maybe potato |
| 04:53.48 | SimonRaven | Dewi: no, it never was on by default. i've been using it for a while |
| 04:53.49 | EdLin | abrotman: I hated the fact that dselect bails on hitting the "enter" key. |
| 04:53.51 | beardy | abrotman: ok :) |
| 04:53.56 | Dewi | SimonRaven: fine. |
| 04:54.09 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: I've told you what the default is, Wyzard|TP has told you the option; If you don't want to use aptitude, don't. In either case, stop arguing with us. |
| 04:54.10 | Dewi | SimonRaven: but why am I getting pissed on for having a setting set differently to default? |
| 04:54.28 | abrotman | what was the option again? |
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| 04:54.38 | Dewi | abrotman: the automatic upgrade option |
| 04:54.42 | SimonRaven | Dewi: i'm not pissing on you. if you feel that way, i can't help that |
| 04:54.43 | beardy | I don't think I have run dselect since I started using aptitude/apt-get only. |
| 04:54.49 | Wyzard|TP | gmcinnes: I'm using yaird to boot a system with root on LVM on encrypted partition |
| 04:54.51 | DragonD | i restarted my server and now i can't directly connect to it. i'm geting t login prompt but it's NOT my server. i can connect to it from my second server, so i've locked it down and changed passwords. Is there anyone that could holp my figure out how this is possible? oh one more thing, the ssh fingerprints don't match! |
| 04:54.56 | Dewi | abrotman: I was complaining that aptutide was automatically upgrading and was told repeatedly by everyone that that CAN NEVER HAPPEN |
| 04:55.15 | abrotman | Dewi: i don't use aptitude .. i know how to start it .. and that it uses ncurses :) |
| 04:55.20 | Dewi | abrotman: yeah |
| 04:55.21 | Wyzard|TP | Dewi: It might just be that people who haven't used the option didn't know aptitude could behave that way, or didn't think of the possibility |
| 04:55.22 | Stevie | lol |
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| 04:55.36 | gmcinnes | WyzardlTP: Truly wizardly. I can't get it to work. It complains it can't see my volume group. Any ideas? |
| 04:55.41 | gravity | Then again, I check it before it actually does the upgrade |
| 04:55.42 | Dewi | Wyzard|TP: if they don't know they shouldn't really be telling me that it can't possibly happen |
| 04:55.49 | Dewi | Wyzard|TP: thank you for actually answering my query |
| 04:56.00 | beardy | Dewi: The asnwers you get can only reflect the behaviour it would have when most things are default, we can't read your mind, and not your box. |
| 04:56.07 | Dewi | Wyzard|TP: that was hugely helpful |
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| 04:56.24 | Wyzard|TP | hehe |
| 04:56.28 | Stevie | ;) |
| 04:56.49 | EdLin | port dselect to Windows, that'll scare 'em! |
| 04:56.51 | gmcinnes | WyzardiTP: I have ydebug set. At the shell prompt I can see that everything works until vgchange -a y vg00 and then it complains that it can't find the volume group. Before that all the commands seem to run ok. |
| 04:56.53 | beardy | Dewi: (not all the time anyway) |
| 04:57.04 | Dewi | beardy: then what is the point of support? |
| 04:57.11 | gmcinnes | WyzardlTP: Can't figure it out. It worked fine before. |
| 04:57.13 | Wyzard|TP | gmcinnes: Is your root filesystem on that VG? |
| 04:57.15 | abrotman | EdLin: compile it on cygwin ? |
| 04:57.16 | Dewi | beardy: I'm sure that a freshly installed default debian system is going to work |
| 04:57.24 | beardy | Dewi: Complaining? |
| 04:57.24 | gmcinnes | WyzardITP: yup. |
| 04:57.28 | SimonRaven | i never said 'it could never happen' and i don't think people said that either |
| 04:57.29 | roo9 | hi, i just mounted a few new drives in my system, they are showing an odd condition "/dev/hdh1 298G -64Z 284G 101% /data8" that's the output from df -h |
| 04:57.41 | EdLin | abrotman: I imagine that's a possibility, I was of course joking. |
| 04:57.52 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Well, sorry for being stupid by trying to answer without knowing all features of aptitude from beginning to the end? |
| 04:58.00 | abrotman | EdLin: we don't joke in #debian |
| 04:58.04 | sanxiyn | Oh, remove the question mark, it was a mistake. |
| 04:58.09 | lkjlkjlkj | Stevie, there was something similar for FreeBSD ... it was called demoronizer from memory |
| 04:58.14 | EdLin | abrotman: SDNWOTN |
| 04:58.19 | abrotman | !nuke pasadena |
| 04:58.29 | dondelelcaro | SimonRaven: interestingly, the previous mention of 'never happen' was at 07:40 PST... |
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| 04:58.39 | SimonRaven | am? |
| 04:58.45 | dondelelcaro | SimonRaven: yeah. |
| 04:58.46 | Wyzard|TP | gmcinnes: I've never seen that happen... could you paste the debug output in #flood or on a pastebin? |
| 04:58.54 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 04:59.23 | SimonRaven | i meant in the current discussion's context as you i hope you grokked ;) |
| 05:00.02 | m4lu6 | hrmm. so i thought installing java via make-jpkg and then apt-getting 'eclipse', that it'd just "run". i thought wrong. Anyone use debian's packaged version o' eclipse? |
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| 05:00.09 | gmcinnes | WyzardlTP: It's gonna be difficult. I can't boot the machine to paste it, but I"ll type a bit. |
| 05:00.20 | m4lu6 | {grumble} bloody java {grumble} |
| 05:00.24 | sanxiyn | m4lu6: It just run for me. |
| 05:00.30 | m4lu6 | hmm. |
| 05:00.32 | sanxiyn | m4lu6: Yes, I use Debian-packaged Eclipse, since some time. |
| 05:00.44 | gmcinnes | WyzardlTP: Thanks for looking though. |
| 05:00.49 | Dewi | oh great |
| 05:00.55 | Dewi | Wyzard|TP: guess what? not enabled |
| 05:00.56 | m4lu6 | "A suitable java virtual machine for running the eclipse platform could not be found." |
| 05:01.00 | sanxiyn | m4lu6: Well, don't worry, there's *lots* of reports saying Eclipse not starting... |
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| 05:01.13 | m4lu6 | ahhh. |
| 05:01.20 | dondelelcaro | chalk up one point for "previously attempted to upgrade using aptitude" |
| 05:01.20 | Dewi | Wyzard|TP: so I guess my aptitude will always behave in this "impossible" way |
| 05:01.24 | sanxiyn | m4lu6: Check BTS. Some are valid, some are not. |
| 05:01.24 | Dewi | sigh. |
| 05:01.29 | m4lu6 | very good. i'll use my old 3.1.1 milestone copy, then. |
| 05:01.35 | Wyzard|TP | m4lu6: Debian's Eclipse package will run with GCJ by default... if you want it to use your Sun JDK, put "JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun" in ~/.eclipse/eclipserc |
| 05:01.48 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: which version of aptitude are you running? |
| 05:01.54 | m4lu6 | Wyzard|TP already did that. nogo. |
| 05:02.03 | sanxiyn | Wyzard: I think it starts with Sun JDK if found. |
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| 05:02.15 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: aptitude 0.2.15.9 |
| 05:02.46 | m4lu6 | i'm seeing "testing /usr/lib[blah]... found" at console, then error pops up. {shrug} |
| 05:03.00 | Wyzard|TP | sanxiyn: It tries the paths listed in /etc/eclipse/java_home, but (AFAIK) always matches the first entry (/usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj) because it depends on the package which provides that... so it never actually tries a Sun JDK |
| 05:03.17 | ansong | that's funny, enlightenment keeps crashing when i go to Debian Menu/Apps/Net can someone else try? |
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| 05:03.31 | Wyzard|TP | m4lu6: Dunno then... it works for me though |
| 05:03.31 | lkjlkjlkj | packages.debian.org is down at the moment. |
| 05:03.35 | Dewi | so in aptitude, is there some way to "unmark upgradeable"? |
| 05:03.38 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: uh... that's stable's aptitude... |
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| 05:03.51 | gmcinnes | WyzardlTP: its in #flood |
| 05:03.54 | m4lu6 | Wyzard|TP it'll work after i go to bed, get sleep, and start anew inthe morning |
| 05:04.00 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: october 2005? not likely |
| 05:04.23 | mo1991 | are there any other good scanning programs other than xsane? Looking for something that can scan mutliple pages to a tiff. And just curious what other scanning programs are out there |
| 05:04.24 | dondelelcaro | !info aptitude stable |
| 05:04.25 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: the full string is "aptitude 0.2.15.9 compiled at Oct 20 2005 10:58:45" |
| 05:04.25 | sanxiyn | Wyzard|TP: I think it used to depend on java-gcj-compat by mistake, but it's fixed now. |
| 05:04.29 | dpkg | aptitude: (terminal-based apt frontend), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2.15.9-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 1800 kB, Installed size: 5624 kB |
| 05:04.35 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: *I* certainly didn't compile it |
| 05:04.45 | ansong | how can i remove a package and all it's little pieces, like enlightenment? |
| 05:04.55 | sanxiyn | Wyzard|TP: I don't have gcj compat while I have eclipse installed. |
| 05:04.58 | Wyzard|TP | Dewi: The ':' key will revert a package selection to its previous state... you can use that on the packages in aptitude's list of things to be installed, or (for convenience) on the section headings to apply it to all the packages under the heading |
| 05:05.15 | Dewi | Wyzard|TP: nice |
| 05:05.50 | dondelelcaro | !info aptitude etch |
| 05:05.59 | lkjlkjlkj | Dewi: what's incositant with stable aptitude being compiled in Oct05 ? |
| 05:06.10 | Dewi | lkjlkjlkj: stable came out before october, didn't it? |
| 05:06.12 | dondelelcaro | lkjlkjlkj: it should have been compiled in april 2005. |
| 05:06.25 | dondelelcaro | in any case, it's definetly not the version that should be in testing |
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| 05:06.36 | beardy | A security update? |
| 05:06.41 | dondelelcaro | beardy: nah. |
| 05:06.52 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: remember my system is 1 month out of date |
| 05:06.52 | benjamindees | can anyone tell me the permissions on the /floppy folder? |
| 05:06.56 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I probably haven't done an upgrade since october |
| 05:07.04 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: so it seems new enough to me |
| 05:07.32 | Dewi | actually I've probably done one since october but it certainly wasn't in the last week |
| 05:07.33 | ke6isf | Man, all this talk about updating, and the only thing with updates is Marillat. |
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| 05:07.42 | dpkg | aptitude: (terminal-based apt frontend), section admin, is important. Version: 0.4.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 2538 kB, Installed size: 7676 kB |
| 05:07.55 | Dewi | dpkg: took your time |
| 05:07.59 | Wyzard|TP | benjamindees: 755 is fine... permissions on a mountpoint don't really matter since when something's mounted there, you see the permissions of the root of the mounted filesystem instead |
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| 05:08.22 | Wyzard|TP | benjamindees: I often use 000 on mountpoints to make sure I don't accidentally put stuff in the "underlying" directory while nothing is mounted there |
| 05:09.09 | Wyzard|TP | FWIW, I'm using kernel 2.6.15 on sid |
| 05:09.18 | rooster | was installing openoffice onto my amd64 machine and lost access to my virtual consoles, any suggestions about what the problem maybe would be appreciated |
| 05:09.43 | dondelelcaro | rooster: is the machine still responding? can you run chvt? |
| 05:09.44 | Routed | Using the Sarge netinstall cd, I created root RAID on LVM. Does this use devfs? I can't seem to upgrade to any kernel past 2.6.12.6. |
| 05:09.59 | sanxiyn | rooster: Hm, is there openoffice for amd64? |
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| 05:10.06 | beardy | rooster: Sounds very strange.. |
| 05:10.09 | rooster | was building it |
| 05:10.09 | sanxiyn | I'm pretty sure there isn't. |
| 05:10.20 | sanxiyn | rooster: OOo isn't ported to 64bit. |
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| 05:10.43 | marshal | hola 1 more time guys |
| 05:10.57 | benjamindees | ah, success! ...stupid fat mount options *grumble* |
| 05:11.12 | marshal | how can i get the kernel sources so i can compile in my audio driver |
| 05:11.14 | marshal | drivers |
| 05:11.14 | ke6isf | Idd issue here. mplayer is being held back for some odd reason (there's an upgrade for sarge). though I haven't held the package, that I recall. How would I find out *why* it - as well as transcode and a lib - is being held back? |
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| 05:11.20 | marshal | from apt-get |
| 05:11.31 | ke6isf | marshal: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 05:11.39 | dondelelcaro | marshal: apt-get source kernel-source-fooversion; or apt-get source linux-source-fooversion; |
| 05:11.40 | ke6isf | !wayc marshal |
| 05:11.40 | dpkg | marshal: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 05:11.41 | marshal | ke6isf, testing |
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| 05:12.10 | rooster | chvt: Wrong number of args --then tried-- chvt 1 Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 05:12.21 | dondelelcaro | rooster: you need to be root. |
| 05:12.32 | rooster | oops sorry |
| 05:13.17 | Dewi | apt-get update is complaining that the testing repo has no GPG key |
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| 05:13.33 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: aptitude is the easiest way to figure that out; otherwise, the apt-get problem resolver can clue you in as to why it held it back. |
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| 05:13.42 | sanxiyn | Dewi: /topic |
| 05:13.53 | Routed | can anyone remember the channel for the d-i guys? |
| 05:14.00 | sanxiyn | Routed: debian-boot |
| 05:14.07 | Routed | I thought it was #debian-boot |
| 05:14.12 | benjamindees | how can I make abiword save as .doc by default? |
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| 05:14.19 | rooster | chvt works |
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| 05:14.25 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
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| 05:14.31 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=1 install mplayer; should give you some idea. |
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| 05:14.54 | dondelelcaro | rooster: then you can get to vt1 now, right? |
| 05:14.55 | Routed | OK, that's weird. /list #debian-boot shows nothing :) |
| 05:15.05 | Routed | but they're there, alright |
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| 05:15.16 | rooster | yes but no ctrl alt f1 ... |
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| 05:15.20 | dondelelcaro | Routed: it's +s, so you have to be in the channel for it to show anything. |
| 05:15.21 | jannol | hello |
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| 05:15.46 | sanxiyn | Hm, what is the plan for updating archive signing key, by the way? |
| 05:15.47 | Routed | dondelelcaro, ah, thanks :) |
| 05:15.58 | dondelelcaro | !2006 key |
| 05:15.58 | dpkg | run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 05:16.02 | sanxiyn | I believe having it in #debian topic is a temporary solution... |
| 05:16.11 | dondelelcaro | it's there already, actually. |
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| 05:16.31 | jannol | does debian unstable autodetect wireless pcmcia while hotplug is not installed |
| 05:16.42 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: I mean, what is the plan for not needing it to be in #debian topic. |
| 05:16.48 | dondelelcaro | or are you talking about what will be done in the future to update the key? That's still under some discussion. |
| 05:17.05 | sanxiyn | yes, I was curious about it. ok, it's under discussion... |
| 05:17.21 | dondelelcaro | it'll probably involve some changes to apt-key... exactly what changes isn't quite clear yet. |
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| 05:17.48 | Alias_ | It amazes me that with all this crap happening with the new virus that someone hasn't done a destructive one |
| 05:17.59 | sanxiyn | Alias_: Windows metafile? |
| 05:18.01 | mfrisch | I lost access to my vt's Could gdm lock the consoles? |
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| 05:18.04 | Alias_ | indeed |
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| 05:20.47 | Alias_ | #spam |
| 05:20.48 | Alias_ | ack |
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| 05:21.33 | Wyzard|TP | Routed: If you're installing kernels from etch/sid, ones past 2.6.12 are named "linux-image" rather than "kernel-image" |
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| 05:21.48 | Wyzard|TP | Routed: And they use different initrd-generation tools (yaird or mkinitramfs, rather than mkinitrd) |
| 05:22.29 | Wyzard|TP | Routed: use of LVM and RAID has nothing to do with devfs... it's mkinitrd that needed devfs, which is why it isn't used anymore |
| 05:24.35 | DragonD | ok... i'm connecting to a computer through and ip but that ip is actually for another computer. how do i find out what computer i'm connecting to/ |
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| 05:25.19 | Wyzard|TP | DragonD: Your question doesn't make sense... "actually for another computer" ? |
| 05:25.59 | Wyzard|TP | DragonD: "dig -x <ip>" if you want to find out the DNS name corresponding to a given IP address, if that's what you're asking |
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| 05:26.18 | hammerabi | DragonD: you're asking for the ip of the machine you are ssh'd into? |
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| 05:28.47 | ttick | anyone recommend a good CD ripper that has a gui? |
| 05:29.09 | gravity | ttick: grip |
| 05:29.17 | ttick | gravity: thanks |
| 05:29.20 | gravity | np |
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| 05:32.40 | Yako-_- | hola |
| 05:32.41 | Yako-_- | buenas |
| 05:32.44 | Yako-_- | ?¿?¿?¿?¿ |
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| 05:33.50 | Wyzard|TP | !es |
| 05:33.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 05:36.27 | bsims | http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1841086 Ahh that just makes me happy |
| 05:36.32 | bsims | Spammer sued by small Iowa ISP. Court rules in ISP's favor, to the tune of $11B. That's 'B' as in bajillion |
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| 05:38.13 | bsims | Everyone must be in bed |
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| 05:40.12 | ke6isf | bsims: Only problem is tha tthe spammer can declare bankruptcy and start over. |
| 05:40.27 | ppcthug_ | I've been trying to install nvidia drivers using this site http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html but the xf86config-4 file won't change |
| 05:40.30 | ke6isf | tictac: Who played against 'em? |
| 05:40.42 | bsims | ke6isf: hrm not sure if that works for the IRS on tax liabilitys |
| 05:40.51 | tictac | ke6isf: texas. it was for the national championship. usc lost :D |
| 05:40.54 | ThetaWave | Does dhcpd no longer support "ddns-update-style"? Did I install the wrong package? |
| 05:41.13 | dondelelcaro | ThetaWave: you installed dhcp3-server, right? |
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| 05:41.38 | ke6isf | bsims: It doesn't, but it'll take care of the judgement the ISP has against him. |
| 05:41.40 | ThetaWave | I installed dhcp, which includes the server, I think |
| 05:42.01 | dondelelcaro | ThetaWave: dhcp is the 2.0 version, which you almost definetly don't want to work on. |
| 05:42.02 | ThetaWave | dondelelcaro: I installed dhcp, which includes the server, I think |
| 05:42.06 | ke6isf | bsims: Only way to get rid of taxes is to do an offer in compromise or just pay the damn things. |
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| 05:42.18 | dondelelcaro | 2.0 was outdated 8 years ago. |
| 05:42.32 | stew | hmm, what is making reportbug on this machine think i'm stew@localhost.localdomain instead of something more reasonable? |
| 05:42.40 | bsims | ke6isf: no the ISP forgives the debt, which creates teh tax liability as it is considered income to the recipient of the forgiveness |
| 05:42.40 | Wyzard|TP | dondelelcaro: and yet Debian still installs the 2.0 client by default :-) |
| 05:42.51 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard|TP: not anymore we don't. |
| 05:42.55 | ThetaWave | dondelelcaro: wow, that's non-obvious! It took me a while to figure out what to install in the first place! |
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| 05:43.17 | hammerabi | stew: if EMAIL isn't set, it's probably looking at 'hostname --fqdn' |
| 05:43.27 | Wyzard|TP | dondelelcaro: I'm pretty sure dhcp-client is still the default one, not dhcp3-client |
| 05:43.29 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard|TP: or at least, I thought we had stopped doing that... I just override it anyway... |
| 05:43.36 | dondelelcaro | ThetaWave: apt-cache search is your friend. |
| 05:44.00 | ThetaWave | dondelelcaro: how so? |
| 05:44.01 | stew | hammerabi: nope, neither of those |
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| 05:44.40 | Wyzard|TP | dondelelcaro: dhcp-client has Priority: important and dhcp3-client has Priority: optional :-/ |
| 05:44.43 | hammerabi | stew: do you have a local MTA? |
| 05:44.51 | dondelelcaro | ThetaWave: apt-cache search dhcp; would have shown the different versions; you pick the one you want to install. |
| 05:45.00 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard|TP: right, but there is a dhcp3-client-udeb... |
| 05:45.14 | lkjlkjlkj | there's a difference ... apt-cache search versus aptitude search |
| 05:45.31 | Wyzard|TP | dondelelcaro: That's used by the installer, maybe, but debootstrap still puts dhcp-client on the installed system |
| 05:45.50 | ppcthug_ | hello? |
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| 05:47.02 | ppcthug_ | I've been trying to install nvidia drivers using this site http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html but the xf86config-4 file won't change, I opened it in vi and all my old settings are still there |
| 05:47.07 | dondelelcaro | ppcthug_: are you using xserver-xfree86? |
| 05:47.18 | ppcthug_ | yea |
| 05:47.33 | ppcthug_ | I think so |
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| 05:47.37 | EleckttrusS-hibe | ppcthug_, xorg is the beast! |
| 05:47.48 | dondelelcaro | ppcthug_: dpkg -l xserver-xfre86; give us the output of md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4; cat /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum; |
| 05:47.48 | EleckttrusS-hibe | ppcthug_, xorg is very speed! |
| 05:48.12 | dondelelcaro | "very speed"... |
| 05:48.20 | gravity | wtf |
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| 05:48.38 | Wyzard|TP | EleckttrusS: It's also not in sarge |
| 05:48.48 | Wyzard|TP | IIRC |
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| 05:49.25 | rajulocal | Using amarok, I cannot play an audio CD. I tried Amarok -> Actions -> . But the option containing "Play Audio CD" is not clickable (ie grey in color). What should I do now? Using Debian unstable. |
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| 05:50.41 | EleckttrusS | Wyzard, yeah i used sarge in other pc and have xorg! |
| 05:50.47 | beardy | rajulocal: You have to have an audio cable formyour cdrom to your soundcard to be able to play an audio cd, the "real" way. If yoy haven't, (and anyway too) you can play it digitally, as in reading it and let software play it. |
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| 05:51.17 | beardy | !audio cd |
| 05:51.17 | dpkg | 0. run the cable from the CD-ROM to the sound card 1. 'chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc' or whatever your device is (only for IDE) 2. adduser username cdrom 3. don't forget to log out and relogin |
| 05:51.21 | marshal | why cant i apt-get mplayer? |
| 05:51.29 | marshal | do i have to add 3rd party mirrors |
| 05:51.31 | ppcthug_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.31 | dpkg | No packages found matching xserver-xfre86 error processing xserver-xfree86 cannot access archive: no such file or directory |
| 05:51.34 | Wyzard|TP | marshal: yes, you do |
| 05:51.35 | beardy | marshal: /msg dpkg mplayer and marillat |
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| 05:52.01 | Wyzard|TP | marshal: mplayer isn't in Debian for legal reasons |
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| 05:52.29 | dondelelcaro | !tell marshal -about mplayer legal saga |
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| 05:53.01 | marshal | well what can i use to play dvd's |
| 05:53.12 | beardy | marshal: mplayer or ogle |
| 05:53.16 | dondelelcaro | or xine |
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| 05:53.29 | marshal | is css droped out also? |
| 05:53.32 | marshal | and mp3 support |
| 05:53.33 | beardy | Playing DVD:s is also leagally troublesome, if you care. |
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| 05:53.56 | marshal | what about mp3 support is that taken out of debian also |
| 05:53.56 | marx | silly css |
| 05:54.21 | beardy | marshal: Of course not, and it's not taken out of debian, it's just not in. |
| 05:54.28 | rajulocal | beardy: This is a laptop. Is there anyway to find out whether such cable exists or not (using some command)? I dont want to open the laptop for this purpose (voids the warranty) |
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| 05:54.43 | marshal | beardy well how can i add it in |
| 05:54.49 | positron | hello. i want to remove portmap package because udp port 68 is listening on it. i did it with apt-get remove portmap and it said that its removed. then i type dpkg -l | grep portmap and i see that its marked with rc. does it mean remove candidate or what? anyway how do i remove it? and portmap is still listening :( |
| 05:54.51 | Wyzard|TP | marshal: You'll need libdvdcss2 (from the marillat source) to play any CSS-encrypted DVD |
| 05:54.56 | beardy | rajulocal: Not that I know of, more than playing an audiocd, which you seem not be able to. |
| 05:55.08 | beardy | marshal: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 05:55.17 | ppcthug_ | md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 gives me 7cc8aee5b0c6e0a1ca15d3215cbaee7e /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 05:55.48 | hammerabi | positron: really? did you stop it? |
| 05:56.00 | rajulocal | beardy: You said something like playing digitally. How to do that? |
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| 05:56.29 | beardy | marshal: I don't know about amarok, xmms has a "play audio cd:s digitally" plugin, don't remember the name now though. |
| 05:56.54 | positron | hammerabi: i did mv S18portmap K18portmap in /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 05:57.15 | positron | hammerabi: and i rebooted after that |
| 05:57.18 | beardy | sorry, rajulocal, the above was foryou |
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| 05:57.26 | positron | hammerabi: iirc. cos im drunk ;) |
| 05:57.34 | beardy | rajulocal: xmms-cdread is the name of the xmms plugin. |
| 05:57.42 | beardy | !info xmms-cdread stable |
| 05:57.48 | dpkg | xmms-cdread: (Input plugin for XMMS that reads audio data from CDs), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.14a-11 (sarge), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
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| 05:57.53 | hammerabi | positron: what does 'sudo netstat -plun | grep 68' say? |
| 05:58.28 | rajulocal | beardy: Thanks. Installing it now. |
| 05:58.49 | positron | hammerabi: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:68 0.0.0.0:* 1497/dhclient |
| 05:59.07 | marshal | beardy, ok once i add that deb source in my sources.list do i have to run anything else? |
| 05:59.14 | hammerabi | positron: which is unrelated to portmapper |
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| 05:59.39 | beardy | marshal: aptitude update, or apt-get update |
| 05:59.50 | positron | hammerabi: please explain me. |
| 06:00.07 | Pure-M|Hug | I've a big problem when I'm installing debian on my laptop (Evo N610c 2.0 ghz 256 mb ram) I'm installing all everything works fine but it always says me PnpBios Failure: 0x15 etc... can you help me plz? |
| 06:00.18 | hammerabi | positron: that has nothing at all to do with portmapper, look at it |
| 06:00.29 | hammerabi | positron: it's saying the program 'dhclient' is listening on udp poer 68 |
| 06:01.09 | beardy | Pure-M|Hug: Hmm, can you disable "Plug'n'Play OS" (or something similar) in your BIOS? |
| 06:01.13 | positron | hammerabi: oh yes. my router is dhcp where from i get my nat address. is it possible to disable that and is this issue unsecure? |
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| 06:01.49 | Pure-M|Hug | beardy: No. |
| 06:02.01 | beardy | Pure-M|Hug: Are you sure, check again? |
| 06:02.28 | hammerabi | positron: leave it alone |
| 06:02.29 | Pure-M|Hug | beardy: My bios is very simple and doesn't refer about any Plug and play infos. |
| 06:02.29 | beardy | Pure-M|Hug: might not be it, but only thing I came to think of.. |
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| 06:03.07 | beardy | !laptop |
| 06:03.07 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 06:03.52 | Pure-M|Hug | beardy: Thanks I'll take a look. |
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| 06:04.13 | ppcthug_ | xorg needs to remove x-window-system-core and xserver-xfree86... |
| 06:04.28 | gravity | ppcthug_: What version of xorg? |
| 06:04.46 | ppcthug_ | 6.8.2 |
| 06:04.51 | gravity | 6.8.2 what? |
| 06:05.10 | ppcthug_ | dfsg.1-11 |
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| 06:05.41 | positron | what does it mean when dpkg -l says that some packages are rc? remove candidate after apt-get remove?? how do i completely remove those? |
| 06:05.48 | gravity | Hrm... that shouldn't be happening. There should be an xserver-xfree86 package that's got the same version number |
| 06:06.01 | hammerabi | positron: read the output of dpkg -l |
| 06:06.03 | gravity | And all the stuff in the metapackages should be accounted for |
| 06:06.07 | hammerabi | positron: the top few lines explain what they mean |
| 06:07.13 | ppcthug_ | ok this is weird... |
| 06:07.15 | positron | hammerabi: cant see meaning for rc there |
| 06:07.18 | forevert1euni | hi if I apt-get update it doesn't update the kernel right? |
| 06:07.32 | ppcthug_ | I just did a search on synaptic for xfree86 |
| 06:07.32 | beardy | !debian mantra |
| 06:07.32 | dpkg | well, debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
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| 06:07.45 | beardy | forevert1euni: update only updates the packagelist. |
| 06:07.48 | forevert1euni | I'm new to debian(xebian actually) |
| 06:07.49 | forevert1euni | ok |
| 06:07.59 | beardy | !xebian |
| 06:07.59 | dpkg | from memory, xebian is http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian. See #xbox-linux on oftc.net. XEBIAN IS NOT DEBIAN! |
| 06:08.09 | forevert1euni | pl |
| 06:08.10 | forevert1euni | ok |
| 06:08.11 | forevert1euni | tnx |
| 06:08.49 | hammerabi | positron: sure it does; r = remove, c = config-files |
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| 06:09.23 | Pure-M|Hug | beardy: I'll take a look on the bios thank you for the hint you gave me... |
| 06:09.39 | beardy | Pure-M|Hug: No problem, good luck. |
| 06:09.48 | ppcthug_ | I've apparantly got an xserver-xfree86 package installed, in the description it says version 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14, transitional package for moving from xfree86 to x.org |
| 06:09.54 | Pure-M|Hug | beardy: I'll try to come back.. |
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| 06:10.36 | gravity | ppcthug_: Are you mixing sarge and some other source? |
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| 06:10.51 | ke6isf | Just how many Debian based distros are there out there? |
| 06:10.54 | positron | hammerabi: what does it mean? |
| 06:10.57 | gravity | ke6isf: Countless |
| 06:11.02 | chealer | ke6isf: try checking distrowatch |
| 06:11.39 | chealer | it also depends on whether you mean directly or indirectly based on it :) |
| 06:11.53 | ppcthug_ | latest version is 6.8.2.dfsg.1-11, this package smooths upgrades from debian 3.1 by depending on xserver-xorg |
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| 06:12.44 | ppcthug_ | I don't think so, I installed from debian sarge testing buisness card cd image and a lot of internet downloading |
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| 06:12.58 | hammerabi | ppcthug_: what does 'dpkg -l libc6| tail -n1' print out? |
| 06:13.38 | gravity | ppcthug_: Then how are you getting xorg? |
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| 06:14.37 | ppcthug_ | error cannot access archive: no such file or directory |
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| 06:14.53 | ppcthug_ | I have no idea |
| 06:15.27 | mike_ | t |
| 06:16.33 | omry_ | hi, what is the meaning of this while apt-get update ?: GPG error: http://tv etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 946AA6E18722E71E secure-testing Archive Key 2005-7 |
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| 06:17.00 | mike_ | i am new to debian and i dont know the command to get the graphical user interface up. |
| 06:17.06 | beardy | omry_: /topic |
| 06:17.23 | mike_ | no flaming |
| 06:17.23 | hammerabi | mike_: startx |
| 06:17.30 | omry_ | beardy, yeah, saw it, reading.. thanks.. |
| 06:17.30 | gravity | ppcthug_: You're not running sarge, are you? |
| 06:17.36 | beardy | mike_: /msg dpkg install x, /msg dpkg set up x |
| 06:17.49 | mike_ | k |
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| 06:19.09 | beardy | mike_: If you're new to Debian you might also find some of the things in "/msg dpkg grounding" interesting. |
| 06:19.19 | mike_ | kk |
| 06:19.37 | mike_ | do i open the file using cat |
| 06:19.47 | ppcthug_ | gravity: as far as I know I am |
| 06:19.49 | beardy | mike_: which file? |
| 06:20.08 | mike_ | 1 sec i need to go to the linux box |
| 06:20.13 | beardy | mike_: You type these "/msg dpkg" in your irc client. |
| 06:20.40 | mike_ | o |
| 06:20.47 | mike_ | lol |
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| 06:22.14 | corvette | hello |
| 06:22.37 | gravity | ppcthug_: Put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin please? |
| 06:22.46 | corvette | uhm.... well first I have a question. When I login on my other computer as root, how does the server know I'm logged in as root |
| 06:22.46 | gravity | ppcthug_: Because what you're running is not pure sarge |
| 06:22.46 | corvette | It's not supposed to know |
| 06:22.49 | slake | This is strange |
| 06:22.51 | corvette | (I am using Xchat on the other computer) |
| 06:23.00 | corvette | Secondly, when I try to make another account on the other computer, it won't let me |
| 06:23.04 | slake | wiconfig won't let me change my Wireless card into monitor mode |
| 06:23.06 | amicrawler | were are the deb src for ubuntu |
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| 06:23.18 | beardy | corvette: How do you mean? |
| 06:23.22 | slake | Has anyone had an issue with the Orinico drivers and the MA401? |
| 06:23.33 | corvette | Well, on my other computer it won't let me say anything in this channel |
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| 06:23.39 | corvette | Obviously it knows I'm logged in as root |
| 06:23.48 | chealer | !tell amicrawler about ubuntu |
| 06:23.54 | beardy | corvette: Oh, do NOT irc as root, EVER. |
| 06:23.56 | worthy | im back |
| 06:24.01 | corvette | I know, but I have no choice |
| 06:24.05 | corvette | it won't let me make another account |
| 06:24.09 | beardy | corvette: Of course you do. |
| 06:24.11 | locsmif | !tell locsmif about ubuntu |
| 06:24.12 | corvette | so now I'm stuck with using IRC on another channel |
| 06:24.18 | beardy | corvette: Convince it. |
| 06:24.20 | corvette | I tried kuser |
| 06:24.22 | corvette | No luck |
| 06:24.29 | corvette | But my first question still holds, it should not know |
| 06:24.39 | corvette | There is no way the server should know what account I'm logged in as unless I tell it |
| 06:24.40 | beardy | corvette: It knows. |
| 06:24.50 | corvette | It shouldn't |
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| 06:25.00 | beardy | corvette: Don't bother with those gui things, learn to do things the simple real and best way. |
| 06:25.03 | beardy | corvette: man adduser |
| 06:25.14 | corvette | I tried with the terminal, no luck either |
| 06:25.19 | corvette | adduser , it won't let me |
| 06:25.27 | beardy | corvette: What does it say? |
| 06:25.28 | corvette | it gives me an error |
| 06:25.30 | corvette | Hold up |
| 06:25.32 | corvette | let me go check |
| 06:25.33 | Jmax | http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wtf2oe.png wtf |
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| 06:25.44 | Jmax | my firefox has font errors :( |
| 06:25.50 | hammerabi | corvette: your irc client told it |
| 06:26.08 | ppcthug_ | gravity: working on it... |
| 06:26.25 | servus | Is that gnome? |
| 06:26.30 | Jmax | xfce |
| 06:26.43 | servus | Looks a lot nicer than last I tried xfce |
| 06:26.52 | Jmax | yes it's slightly modded |
| 06:27.01 | mike_ | i know this may seem very basic but how do you start the basic text editor in debian |
| 06:27.12 | gravity | mike_: nano |
| 06:27.13 | Jmax | nano? |
| 06:27.14 | corvette | wait I think it works now |
| 06:27.23 | corvette | It didn't work out of KDE |
| 06:27.25 | corvette | Let me try to login though |
| 06:27.34 | beardy | corvette: You weren't root then. |
| 06:27.53 | worthy | how do I connect to about user using the talk command |
| 06:28.06 | mike_ | thanks |
| 06:28.10 | beardy | corvette: Ctrl-Alt-F1 - F6, F7 to get back to X. |
| 06:28.11 | worthy | or is it only for networks |
| 06:28.13 | corvette | yes I was |
| 06:28.27 | beardy | worthy: 'talk user', man talk |
| 06:28.29 | worthy | like, beardy if i wanted to "talk" to you how would i do that? |
| 06:28.33 | corvette | I typed in su |
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| 06:28.49 | beardy | corvette: In an xterm? |
| 06:28.58 | beardy | corvette: Or Konsole, or similar? |
| 06:29.02 | worthy | ?????????????[ Error on read from talk daemon: Connection refused. Press any key... ]????????????? |
| 06:29.15 | Jmax | is there anyway to tell apt to use a third party repository for only one specific package and any dependencies on that package? |
| 06:29.18 | hammerabi | worthy: did you install the talk daemon? |
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| 06:29.25 | beardy | worthy: Is talkd installed? |
| 06:29.26 | hammerabi | Jmax: yes, pinning, man apt.conf |
| 06:29.26 | worthy | i want to talk to someone at another server |
| 06:29.31 | worthy | talkd? |
| 06:29.32 | Jmax | hammerabi, thank you |
| 06:29.32 | beardy | worthy: ytalk is nicer btw |
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| 06:29.43 | mike_ | whats a more advanced text editor |
| 06:29.49 | servus | Than what? |
| 06:29.50 | worthy | let me see about talk d |
| 06:29.52 | mike_ | nana |
| 06:29.53 | beardy | mike_: emacs, vi |
| 06:30.02 | servus | vi meaning vim, I'm sure ;) |
| 06:30.05 | beardy | mike_: and lot's of others |
| 06:30.10 | hammerabi | mike_: emacs |
| 06:30.12 | corvette | It won't let me login though |
| 06:30.17 | corvette | It says your session lasted under 10 seconds |
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| 06:30.44 | corvette | SOmething something disk space (I should have plenty), try running fail safe |
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| 06:30.57 | worthy | i just installed talkd and ytalk |
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| 06:31.26 | corvette | I can still login as root easy |
| 06:31.44 | ppcthug_ | gravity: heres sources.list http://channels.debian.net/paste/1468 |
| 06:31.44 | beardy | mike_: 'apt-cache search "text editor" | less' gives you a list |
| 06:31.58 | mike_ | thx |
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| 06:32.29 | beattiek | yeah use emacs |
| 06:32.30 | gravity | ppcthug_: testing isn't sarge |
| 06:32.35 | beattiek | you won't regret it. |
| 06:32.57 | beardy | mike_: You can also run aptitude, and browse the section "editors" |
| 06:33.04 | mike_ | k |
| 06:33.23 | servus | Aptitude scares the hell out of me. |
| 06:33.31 | servus | All those... things. What's the poitn? |
| 06:33.51 | omry_ | beardy, I tried both the insturctions at 2006 key and on debian-administration.org. managed to get one machine to work, but the other still bitch about the key. |
| 06:33.58 | beardy | There's already been a discussion like that today, run if you want, don't if you don't want to. |
| 06:34.13 | gravity | ppcthug_: So you're mixing testing and stable in your sources.list |
| 06:34.20 | ppcthug_ | oh |
| 06:34.32 | gravity | That's where your problem lies |
| 06:34.33 | beardy | omry_: Can't helpyou with that, sorry. Ask the whole channel. |
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| 06:35.10 | christopherzhang | is there a similar program in Mac that does the same thing as checkinstall? |
| 06:35.15 | ppcthug_ | I thought I downloaded debian sarge testing |
| 06:35.20 | omry_ | I am getting GPG error from apt-get update. I tried both the insturctions at 2006 key and on debian-administration.org. managed to get one machine to work, but the other still bitch about the key. anyone? |
| 06:35.34 | beardy | !sarge |
| 06:35.34 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 06:35.36 | beardy | !etch |
| 06:35.36 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 06:35.41 | beattiek | My Ac97 sound isn't working, can anyone help me? |
| 06:35.46 | Jmax | hammerabi, man apt.conf shows me nothing on "pinning" |
| 06:35.46 | hammerabi | ppcthug_: sarge has not been "testing" for a very long time |
| 06:35.50 | beardy | !ac97 |
| 06:35.50 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 06:35.59 | gravity | ppcthug_: Sarge isn't testing. It's stable. |
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| 06:36.04 | hammerabi | omry_: questions like that need to include links to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:36.09 | beardy | !alsa 2.6 |
| 06:36.09 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 06:36.11 | uL7R4H4C| | How I shoot foot? |
| 06:36.17 | chealer | !openoffice.org |
| 06:36.18 | dpkg | hmm... openoffice.org is an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. OpenOffice.org 2 is in unstable. See #debian-oo #openoffice.org http://openoffice.debian.net or http://www.openoffice.org |
| 06:36.35 | uL7R4H4C| | Linux is an operating system |
| 06:36.39 | christopherzhang | \quit |
| 06:36.47 | uL7R4H4C| | oLOL CHRISTOPHER |
| 06:36.50 | uL7R4H4C| | GOOD CALL |
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| 06:36.57 | beardy | uL7R4H4C|: stop trolling |
| 06:37.06 | uL7R4H4C| | beardy: Pardon me? |
| 06:37.07 | worthy | is it posible for you guys to send me a message to my terminal using the ytalk command? |
| 06:37.08 | eival | hello? |
| 06:37.09 | chealer | dpkg: openoffice.org =~ s/OpenOffice.org 2 is in unstable. // |
| 06:37.09 | dpkg | chealer: OK |
| 06:37.11 | crispeeb_ | yeah, ya idiot |
| 06:37.11 | beardy | !linux |
| 06:37.11 | dpkg | linux is probably closed |
| 06:37.17 | worthy | i turned mesg on |
| 06:37.20 | beardy | heh |
| 06:37.21 | uL7R4H4C| | Linux likes my shoes |
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| 06:37.25 | worthy | it says im refusing messages |
| 06:37.31 | ppcthug_ | well sarge was testing back when I downloaded the cd image |
| 06:37.34 | beardy | Thanks. |
| 06:37.36 | beattiek | thanks beardy/dpkg |
| 06:37.36 | dpkg | beattiek: no problem |
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| 06:37.59 | Jmax | hammerabi? |
| 06:38.04 | beardy | beattiek: My pleasure. |
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| 06:38.06 | hammerabi | Jmax: ? |
| 06:38.10 | Jmax | hammerabi, man apt.conf shows me nothing on "pinning" |
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| 06:38.12 | omry_ | hammerabi, http://firefang.net/~omry/sources.list (This sources.list uses my apt-proxy). |
| 06:38.44 | hammerabi | Jmax: ah, apt_preferences, not apt.conf |
| 06:38.51 | Jmax | thanks |
| 06:39.02 | hammerabi | bah apt-proxy |
| 06:39.06 | hammerabi | I bet it works if you go directly |
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| 06:39.32 | corvette | It just won't let me login to anything other than root |
| 06:39.58 | beardy | corvette: Try another vt, Alt-F2 |
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| 06:40.07 | corvette | k, thanks |
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| 06:40.32 | beardy | corvette: I'm not sure why that happens, I've seen/heard about it before.. |
| 06:40.36 | omry_ | hammerabi, it works from one machine (the one runing the apt-proxy), but not with another. |
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| 06:40.57 | beardy | corvette: once.. |
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| 06:41.21 | beattiek | Hmmm, i installed that package but the alsaconf isn't working should i try exiting xwindows? |
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| 06:41.40 | beattiek | it is saying snd: no module by that name found |
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| 06:42.09 | hammerabi | super-hackor: lame |
| 06:42.29 | beardy | beattiek: /msg dpkg xwindows |
| 06:43.12 | beardy | !lose hammerabi |
| 06:43.12 | dpkg | hammerabi: You Lose. |
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| 06:43.33 | corvette | alt f2? |
| 06:43.36 | corvette | I pressed that, did nothing |
| 06:43.41 | beattiek | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.46 | beardy | corvette: Where are you? |
| 06:43.51 | corvette | I'm on another computer |
| 06:44.00 | corvette | Oh |
| 06:44.04 | beardy | corvette: Well, are you in X, or at tty1? |
| 06:44.07 | beattiek | corvette do you play uniball? |
| 06:44.15 | corvette | I was in KDE |
| 06:44.19 | beattiek | nm |
| 06:44.42 | corvette | where am I supposed to press it? |
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| 06:45.51 | beardy | corvette: Alt-F1 - F6 switches between the vt:s when in a vt. Ctrl-Alt is needed when switching from X, works of course when at a vt too. So, hit Ctrl-Alt-F2. |
| 06:46.21 | beardy | corvette: Everywhere/nowhere, just now. |
| 06:46.52 | ppcthug_ | gravity: so do I change the links from testing to sarge or get rid of them? |
| 06:47.04 | SkArFaCe | I HAVE A QUESTIONS |
| 06:47.10 | corvette | thanks |
| 06:47.19 | beardy | SkArFaCe: Turn of CapsLock. |
| 06:47.23 | beardy | !tell SkArFaCe -about ask |
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| 06:47.39 | SkArFaCe | what is an easy user friendly noob friendly DISTRO |
| 06:47.53 | beardy | SkArFaCe: In which channel are you? |
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| 06:48.10 | Jmax | we have cryllic spam on the forums :\ |
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| 06:48.27 | beardy | corvette: Can you login now? |
| 06:48.28 | SkArFaCe | thats not my question |
| 06:48.43 | hammerabi | SkArFaCe: perhaps try ##linux or #linpeople, it's a silly thing to ask in here |
| 06:48.48 | worthy | how do I turn messages on please |
| 06:48.53 | SkArFaCe | lol |
| 06:49.02 | worthy | i keep getting the error asking me y or n |
| 06:49.08 | worthy | i pick y and it keeps doing that |
| 06:49.24 | SkArFaCe | is debian good or what, honestly. i want to get rid of this f!@#ing agnula demudi |
| 06:49.31 | worthy | sorry, im 3 days new :-/ |
| 06:49.31 | beardy | SkArFaCe: This is #debian, we recommend Debian Sarge. /msg dpkg why debian, /msg dpkg d-i, /msg dpkg ig, /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 06:49.42 | sinizzl | hi |
| 06:49.50 | hammerabi | SkArFaCe: that's impossible to answer unless you can explain what you don't like about demudi. |
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| 06:50.03 | corvette | well from that screen it login just fine |
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| 06:50.12 | corvette | logsin |
| 06:50.14 | SkArFaCe | um, no help whatsoever in anything |
| 06:50.15 | sinizzl | i want a binded dir (/some/stuff -> /some/other/location) to mount at boot, but the filesystem option "bind" does NOT do its job |
| 06:50.15 | SkArFaCe | :-D |
| 06:50.18 | SkArFaCe | good enough? |
| 06:50.20 | beardy | corvette: Try at tty1 now again too. |
| 06:50.25 | corvette | k |
| 06:50.27 | corvette | thanks |
| 06:51.00 | beardy | sinizzl: ? 'man ln' |
| 06:51.25 | hammerabi | SkArFaCe: no, that's crap. perhaps you'd be better off with a book than a new distro. |
| 06:51.27 | beardy | sinizzl: ln -s /some/source /some/target |
| 06:51.37 | sinizzl | beardy: symbolic links won't do the trick |
| 06:51.39 | hammerabi | SkArFaCe: also, obnoxious hyperbole is a bit silly |
| 06:51.43 | sinizzl | i want to use it for a webserver |
| 06:51.48 | beardy | SimonRaven: man ln |
| 06:51.54 | SkArFaCe | GEEKS |
| 06:51.54 | sinizzl | and linked directories won't show up |
| 06:51.55 | beardy | sinizzl: man ln |
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| 06:52.04 | sinizzl | beardy: man yourself |
| 06:52.08 | hammerabi | haha |
| 06:52.15 | beardy | sinizzl: fine |
| 06:52.20 | beardy | *plonk* |
| 06:52.22 | Jmax | hammerabi, i don't see how pinning will do it :\ |
| 06:53.03 | hammerabi | Jmax: pin by package name |
| 06:53.30 | Jmax | right, but how do i specify to pin to a certain repository? |
| 06:53.38 | Jmax | it doesn't seem relevant at all |
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| 06:54.13 | hammerabi | Jmax: huh? |
| 06:54.39 | Jmax | pin just seems like a way to prioritize versions |
| 06:54.45 | hammerabi | yes |
| 06:54.53 | hammerabi | well, based on various criteria |
| 06:55.12 | HermanDE | Anybody in here run an Open-Xchange server? |
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| 06:55.47 | Jmax | i don't see how that is relevant |
| 06:56.21 | feross | hey, I enabled apt and switched the source to a Debian archive. apt-get upgrade worked and upgraded a lot of packages but it fails on a bunch. Something about the find command syntax. Any ideas |
| 06:56.36 | hammerabi | Package: whatever |
| 06:56.43 | jayj | W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 06:56.46 | hammerabi | Pin: release a=whatever |
| 06:56.50 | jayj | has this been discussed? |
| 06:56.51 | feross | oh forgot to mention it's DamnSmallLinux but |
| 06:56.51 | hammerabi | Pin-Priority: 1001 |
| 06:57.02 | Jmax | uh |
| 06:57.03 | hammerabi | feross: #dsl |
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| 06:57.07 | Jmax | it's not in a debian repository |
| 06:57.17 | hammerabi | and? |
| 06:57.25 | hammerabi | fix the Release file in the repository |
| 06:57.34 | Jmax | it's in a third-party repository, because debian's doesn't have xchat 2.6 but i don't want anything else from that repository >_< |
| 06:57.48 | hammerabi | if their repository is lacking, then you lose |
| 06:57.50 | feross | hammerabi: tried there but nobody helps |
| 06:57.51 | hammerabi | install it manually |
| 06:57.56 | beardy | jayj: /topic |
| 06:58.06 | hammerabi | feross: this is not a channel for supporting damn-small-linux -> Debian changes, sorry |
| 06:58.07 | Jmax | k :( |
| 06:58.21 | jayj | my bad |
| 06:58.26 | hammerabi | feross: it's impossible to help you without seeing the actual error and versions, anyway |
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| 06:59.23 | corvette | same error |
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| 06:59.45 | feross | hammerabi: true, just threw it out there maybe someone ran across something similar before.. also since dsl is debian based that's why I tried here also. But understandable, not Debian problem, DSL problem. Will google some more. |
| 06:59.48 | corvette | It logs in fine under alt+ctrl+f1 - F6 |
| 06:59.57 | corvette | but when I hit f7 (the Gui) it gives me the same error |
| 07:00.16 | beardy | corvette: You can't login into X with your user? |
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| 07:00.44 | liable | my stinkpad has decided that it doesnt like having a cd drive in it anymore and hangs for about 30 secs at stage 1.5. Boots instantly without it in though. Where the hell do I start to debug this? |
| 07:00.55 | corvette | Can't login to KDE |
| 07:00.59 | corvette | or any other GUI I think |
| 07:01.01 | corvette | Let me try Gnome |
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| 07:01.30 | corvette | nope |
| 07:01.39 | beardy | corvette: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to restart kdm (not that that matters though..) |
| 07:01.55 | corvette | thanks |
| 07:02.26 | corvette | same error |
| 07:02.30 | corvette | How do you delete users from the command |
| 07:02.39 | jayj | userdel |
| 07:02.41 | liable | deluser |
| 07:02.43 | beardy | corvette: How exactly did you add your user? |
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| 07:02.52 | corvette | well I tried using kuser |
| 07:02.54 | beardy | corvette: what liable said |
| 07:03.00 | corvette | Well first I tried adduser |
| 07:03.10 | beardy | corvette: Exactly how? |
| 07:03.16 | corvette | Actually at first when I first installed it asked me to add a user. Then it gave me an error |
| 07:03.23 | corvette | So I skipped over it and cancled |
| 07:03.30 | beardy | corvette: Do you remember the error message? |
| 07:03.42 | corvette | I figure I can do it later. So then when I finished installing I tried adduser opnsrc and it gave me another error |
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| 07:04.02 | corvette | So then I tried deleting it and adding it through kuser and it gave me another error (but it did add but won't let me login) |
| 07:04.07 | corvette | Not exactly |
| 07:04.13 | ppcthug_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.30 | corvette | But if I try deleting it and adding it again via kuser it'll probably give me a similar eror message it gave me before |
| 07:04.30 | beardy | corvette: Try adding a temporary user, 'adduser footest' does it give an error, what? (as root) |
| 07:04.45 | corvette | How do I delete users? |
| 07:04.51 | beardy | corvette: deluser |
| 07:04.56 | corvette | thanks |
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| 07:05.30 | beardy | corvette: /msg dpkg reference, you will find much good information and help there |
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| 07:10.14 | corvette | chown: 100:100 /home/test : operation not permitted |
| 07:10.16 | corvette | Or something like that |
| 07:10.18 | corvette | and it also says |
| 07:11.06 | corvette | groupdel: group test does not exist (I used adduser test). Also how do I display something one page at a time (IE : dir -- help one page at at time?) |
| 07:11.23 | blondie | less |
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| 07:11.28 | hammerabi | that was root? |
| 07:11.31 | corvette | yes |
| 07:11.37 | corvette | I can even type su before it and hit enter, same results |
| 07:11.41 | blondie | <command> | less |
| 07:11.43 | corvette | for some reason sudo does not exist. |
| 07:11.55 | blondie | sudo isn't a standard package |
| 07:12.05 | nukeu666 | lately im getting this error when i try to aptget update |
| 07:12.13 | Jmax | ugh what's wrong with my fonts :(( |
| 07:12.14 | nukeu666 | Err http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 07:12.14 | nukeu666 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.17 | corvette | oh wait, sudo works now |
| 07:12.38 | beardy | corvette: Not without you installing it. |
| 07:12.42 | hammerabi | nukeu666: you misconfigured apt with a broken proxyt |
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| 07:12.47 | corvette | same results |
| 07:12.56 | corvette | I musta installed it then sometime later. |
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| 07:13.06 | rutski89 | How do i view a process list with group names? I know "ps -A u" does users, but I can't seem to find an easy way to view groups |
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| 07:13.24 | blondie | rutski89: don't think you can |
| 07:13.48 | rutski89 | blondie: hmm... processes do have gid's right? |
| 07:13.54 | blondie | no |
| 07:13.58 | blondie | just uids |
| 07:14.39 | eeyore- | rutski89: what scenario is it useful to have gid assigned to processes? |
| 07:14.59 | nukeu666 | same problem is happening to good number of other users also....can there be something wrong with the server? |
| 07:15.05 | blondie | rutski89: a process can't have a group like a file can |
| 07:15.26 | blondie | nukeu666: your sources.list is wrong? |
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| 07:15.42 | rutski89 | eeyore-: so that the process can take advantage of permissions set in the group filed of files... or does it not work like that with processes? |
| 07:15.56 | eeyore- | rutski89: well, there's effective group id ... |
| 07:16.10 | Jmax | http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wtf2oe.png my firefox' fonts are messed up, any idea why? it seems to be for all users, and after i installed k3b... i've uninstlaled k3b and all kde libs, and removed/installed firefox |
| 07:16.13 | Jmax | no go :( |
| 07:16.26 | eeyore- | rutski89: ps -eo pid,egid,command |
| 07:16.39 | Coke | Jmax: if you want pretty fonts you have to install them. |
| 07:16.49 | Jmax | Coke, they are installed |
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| 07:16.56 | Jmax | Coke, look at the errors |
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| 07:17.24 | eeyore- | rutski89: yes, it does work like that with processes :-) you can always setuid() and setgid(), assuming you can |
| 07:18.02 | Coke | Jmax: the errors are unrelated to firefox fonts |
| 07:18.06 | recall | Jmax, I have a similiar 'problem', Firefox doesn't follow GTK's font. |
| 07:18.13 | Jmax | recall, that's what's up |
| 07:18.41 | Coke | Jmax: do you want to solve the JavaScript problem or the font problem? |
| 07:18.49 | Coke | recall & Jmax: gtk != gtk2 |
| 07:19.03 | Jmax | might as well do both |
| 07:19.06 | Jmax | heh |
| 07:19.07 | recall | It follows neither. |
| 07:19.18 | nukeu666 | blondie:neither me or anyone else changed their sources...i guess ll have to get the incharge to fix the server |
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| 07:20.12 | Coke | recall: you're using the firefox from Debian? |
| 07:20.45 | recall | No. |
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| 07:21.15 | Coke | recall: could it be you have a firefox with compiled in font support? |
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| 07:21.27 | corvette | any suggestions? |
| 07:21.29 | Coke | recall: that is, it's not using your (or possibly any) GTK to render fonts? |
| 07:21.53 | recall | Coke, that could definately be probable, it's the standard mozilla.org build. |
| 07:22.05 | rutski89 | eeyore-: awesome, thanks for the tip; I didn't know about ps's -o option, "ps -eo user,egrou,cmd" does exaclty what i wnated :-) |
| 07:22.21 | pilgrim | Hi all. I tried debian a couple days ago but was turned off by the package selection system that comes up (almost) at the end of the install. I didn't like the fact that you could either choose "Desktop Environment" (which would install gnome _and_ kde) or you had to choose every single component by hand. Is there a better package selection method (e.g. to install just gnome and not kde and all that other crap)? |
| 07:22.24 | Coke | recall: it could be built to work regardless of what libraries you have installed locally. try apt-get install mozilla-firefox and see if it has the same problems. |
| 07:22.38 | eeyore- | rutski89: good luck :-) i use ps -eo when i want to be more compatible with sunos, but then again ... doesn't always work out |
| 07:22.46 | Coke | pilgrim: chose neither and install what you need when you need it. |
| 07:22.58 | Coke | pilgrim: what you saw was dselect and I wouldn't recommend it at all. |
| 07:23.14 | nevyn | Coke: umm isn't aptitude the default now? |
| 07:23.18 | recall | Is it odd that I don't have the x-window-system/x-window-system-core meta packages installed? |
| 07:23.24 | nevyn | pilgrim: apt-get install gnome-desktop |
| 07:23.30 | recall | (though I do have X) |
| 07:23.32 | pilgrim | Coke, I though of that latter on. However, if I know "apt-get install gnome" will it install everything that GNOME needs? |
| 07:23.33 | nevyn | recall: does x work? |
| 07:23.34 | Coke | nevyn: not for that one |
| 07:23.50 | rutski89 | eeyore-: ps is kinda cool. I just found out that it can show you register values for each process too... that's kinda scary I think O.o |
| 07:24.21 | Coke | pilgrim: it will install everything gnome needs to be gnome, that does not give you all the stuff that is available for gnome, though |
| 07:24.21 | recall | nevyn, yes. =) |
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| 07:24.39 | pilgrim | Coke, how would I find out what is available for gnome? (e.g. gnome games, automount feature and things like these?) |
| 07:24.42 | Coke | pilgrim: but all dependencies will be resolved. |
| 07:24.45 | nevyn | recall: don't worry about it then |
| 07:25.01 | pilgrim | nevyn, will the command you gave install everything from gnome? |
| 07:25.16 | Coke | pilgrim: you can search either with an expression "apt-cache search <search expr>", or go through the package lists by category. |
| 07:25.30 | nevyn | pilgrim: it'll install what's officially released as gnome. useless as it is |
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| 07:25.38 | pilgrim | Coke, go by category from "dselect"? |
| 07:25.53 | Coke | pilgrim: no, don't use dselect. |
| 07:25.59 | nevyn | install synaptic or aptitude |
| 07:26.01 | Coke | pilgrim: I use the debian.org website mostly. |
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| 07:26.03 | pilgrim | nevyn, we disagree on the useless part, but thanks. |
| 07:26.12 | Coke | pilgrim: but there are other, both CLI and GUI tools, to browse packages. |
| 07:26.18 | pilgrim | Coke, and use links to browse? |
| 07:26.23 | Coke | pilgrim: I get away with only using apt-get and apt-cache |
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| 07:26.31 | nevyn | pilgrim: sorry but having to press ctrl-L to type a path is brain damage.. see linus's post to gnome-usability |
| 07:26.32 | Jmax | ugh |
| 07:26.40 | pilgrim | Coke, cool. Thanks a bunch. |
| 07:26.41 | blueandwhiteg3 | What's the best way to get debain/testing installed on my machine? I have an EMT64 system with intel GMA 900 graphics, and I seem to be having continue problems. I have a semi-functional install right now. |
| 07:26.41 | Coke | pilgrim: You can use the website, I don't actualy. |
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| 07:26.46 | recall | nevyn, it was just strange to me. It appears the new KDE build recommends x.org. |
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| 07:27.19 | pilgrim | nevyn, give me an F-ing break. Linus is not the master of the known universe? |
| 07:27.20 | pilgrim | !! |
| 07:27.20 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
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| 07:27.47 | pilgrim | nevyn, I use gnome, and I haven't _had_ to type Ctrl+L at all. |
| 07:27.52 | nevyn | pilgrim: nope.. but the gnome usability guys have lost the plot |
| 07:27.56 | pilgrim | nevyn, but let us not start a flame war. |
| 07:28.19 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: what kind of way do you want to be suggested? |
| 07:28.27 | eeyore- | blueandwhiteg3: what's broken about it? |
| 07:28.46 | Gnea | !start a wm war |
| 07:28.46 | dpkg | metacity bites! |
| 07:28.48 | nevyn | pilgrim: the fact that typing a path to a file in a file selection dialog requires magic incantations is wrong wrong where did you learn that wrong |
| 07:28.48 | Gnea | oops |
| 07:28.50 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:28.55 | pilgrim | nevyn, I think gnome is doing great. Next thing I want is to replace CTRL with ALT for shortcuts (e.g. ALT+T instead of CTRL+T) thing of the possibilities. |
| 07:28.56 | Coke | nevyn: the Gnome developers lost the plot a long time ago |
| 07:28.58 | Gnea | ah, lag |
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| 07:29.22 | Coke | nevyn: gnome is an overly complicated desktop environment. it's already obsoleted by xfce. |
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| 07:29.26 | eeyore- | nevyn: you know you can mix gnome/kde/Xt/Qt/Java/etc. right? pick and choose |
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| 07:29.43 | nevyn | sure.. and I do. |
| 07:29.50 | pilgrim | Gnea, hehehe I didn't know dpkg had the guts to start a wm war. |
| 07:30.00 | eeyore- | KDE has its own stupidities, too |
| 07:30.05 | nevyn | sure.. |
| 07:30.14 | eeyore- | how about Konsole's "copy" function? does it have one easy shortcut? |
| 07:30.20 | Coke | pilgrim: I don't use any desktop environment myself, but I've heard good things about XFCE and the sources looks OK. |
| 07:30.22 | nevyn | but the whole kde is evil bloatware gnome isn't needs a clue |
| 07:30.25 | Coke | sources = source code |
| 07:30.28 | eeyore- | and why is it that KDE doesn't have just *one* Paste shortcut? |
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| 07:30.43 | nevyn | eeyore-: neither does gnome. |
| 07:30.43 | eeyore- | Konsole's paste is "shift-insert" while other apps are control+v |
| 07:30.55 | Coke | both KDE and Gnome are bloated as hell, but at least KDE isn't trying as hard as Gnome to be buzzword compliant. |
| 07:31.01 | nevyn | eeyore-: it's a terminal emulatore |
| 07:31.05 | Paivakil | eeyore-: `ctrl +c on [k|]console? you know that does? |
| 07:31.08 | nevyn | ctrl-v could be taken by the application |
| 07:31.15 | tuv | enlightenment is the prettiest :) |
| 07:31.24 | pilgrim | Coke, c'mon you judge software by their source code? When you hear about a new package, do you got hmmm let me see it's source? |
| 07:31.31 | nevyn | tuv: not anymore kde surpassed it in the shiny stakes |
| 07:31.35 | nevyn | pilgrim: yeah... |
| 07:31.36 | Coke | I mix with women if I need pretty. My computer is a tool, it needs to be efficient. |
| 07:31.43 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer & eeyore: I have a basically blank install, nothing to preserve. The current problem is that X won't start up. In fact, that was the problem when I was in the stable branch, and and apt-get distupgrade after moving to the testing tree didn't help.. |
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| 07:32.25 | blueandwhiteg3 | Actually, I wonder if the distupgrade worked, as the kernel doesn't seem to have been upgraded. I have never really installed debian before, but I've used apt-get quite a bit under OS X and Linux |
| 07:32.29 | aris_ | anyone could suggest a good address ldap schema that will support Thunderbird, Outlook, Staroffice? |
| 07:32.31 | Coke | pilgrim: yes, I judge by the source. Do you know how fucking cumbersome it is to write Gnome applications compared to other? That means less usable software for that environment = not good for me as an end user. |
| 07:32.33 | pilgrim | Coke, well said, and gnome is efficient for me... |
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| 07:32.58 | tuv | Coke: exactly.. your computer is a tool, so it can be efficient too when it's pretty.. it would just pretty as well as efficient |
| 07:33.10 | pilgrim | Coke, I think developing in GTK+ is not bad. |
| 07:33.11 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: so did you (manually) upgrade your kernel% |
| 07:33.14 | recall | Does beauty improve efficiency? |
| 07:33.15 | Coke | tuv: my experience is that the pretty get in the way of efficient. |
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| 07:33.18 | nevyn | pilgrim: you're on crack |
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| 07:33.33 | nevyn | pilgrim: have you used any other gui toolkits/languages? |
| 07:33.34 | Coke | pilgrim: try Qt or GNUstep |
| 07:33.36 | pilgrim | Coke, at least if you have a client that wants to close their program you don't have to buy costly QT license. |
| 07:33.42 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: No. I simply did the distupgrade and it listed a kernel upgrade. I don't know about installing debian, so I may have missed something. |
| 07:33.46 | Paivakil | blueandwhiteg3: on debian-amd64, you had stated that you could not install gnome/office some time back; have you installed it? |
| 07:33.48 | Coke | pilgrim: Qt is FREE |
| 07:33.49 | tuv | Coke: are we talking computers or humans?? ;) |
| 07:33.52 | recall | Coke, does pretty get in the way of efficiency with women too? |
| 07:33.55 | marcelc | is there any chance of getting a homeplug device to work on linux using NDIS? |
| 07:33.58 | Coke | tuv: both! :) |
| 07:34.00 | nevyn | pilgrim: I've got a solution don't have clients that want to close their programs |
| 07:34.11 | chealer | Paivakil: do you use i386 or amd64? |
| 07:34.11 | marcelc | It shoiws up as a WAN on windows xp |
| 07:34.16 | blueandwhiteg3 | Paivakil: I gave up on amd64. This is i386. |
| 07:34.19 | Paivakil | chealer: amd64 |
| 07:34.25 | marcelc | however it uses home powerlines |
| 07:34.27 | pilgrim | Coke, but for my client free is not good enough he was to have closed source software..can't change his mind |
| 07:34.30 | nevyn | pilgrim: qt licences are a grand per developer.... perpetual |
| 07:34.36 | Coke | recall: oh, totally. |
| 07:34.36 | marcelc | for the network medium |
| 07:34.46 | eeyore- | Coke: qt is free? that's news |
| 07:35.00 | nevyn | eeyore-: gpl is free. |
| 07:35.01 | Coke | eeyore-: no. trolltech released it years ago. |
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| 07:35.10 | pilgrim | nevyn, c'mon I can't choose clients. they choose me. |
| 07:35.10 | aris_ | anyone could suggest a good address ldap schema that will support Thunderbird, Outlook, Staroffice? |
| 07:35.11 | chealer | Paivakil: sorry, wrong guy |
| 07:35.12 | eeyore- | Coke: try writing commercial apps with qt ... |
| 07:35.16 | blueandwhiteg3 | Paivakil: I'd like maximum software availability, and it doesn't seem amd64 is fully tested. I actually have an intel emt64 chip, but that is actually a superset of x86-64 (amd64) |
| 07:35.17 | Coke | eeyore-: easy. |
| 07:35.21 | recall | Coke, I guess it depends on the...erm, activity. ;) |
| 07:35.33 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: sorry, wrong guy |
| 07:35.35 | eeyore- | Coke: yes, we do (write commercial apps with qt, that is) |
| 07:35.36 | chealer | shit |
| 07:35.48 | Coke | eeyore-: rather do it with Qt than GTK+. the reason I would use GTK2 is for the nifty emulated type support. |
| 07:35.48 | eeyore- | and it most definitely is not free |
| 07:36.07 | nevyn | eeyore-: damn english ambiguity |
| 07:36.10 | Coke | eeyore-: it is. |
| 07:36.13 | pilgrim | eeyore-, exactly |
| 07:36.14 | nevyn | qt is free software it's not gratis |
| 07:36.23 | Coke | eeyore-: trolltech do, however, still provide commercial, non-free packages. |
| 07:36.36 | streuner | !start an DE war |
| 07:36.48 | pilgrim | nevyn, funny thing about this english ambiguity it exists in my native language as well (Albanian) |
| 07:36.49 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: do you use i386 or amd64? |
| 07:37.04 | streuner | well, dpkg has for everything a !start foo war, wtf not for DE? |
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| 07:37.06 | Paivakil | blueandwhiteg3: you need to install xserver-xorg, xbase-clients, to have x up |
| 07:37.09 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: I used the i386 netinstall disc. |
| 07:37.21 | Coke | eeyore-: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.1/gpl.html |
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| 07:37.38 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:38.06 | pilgrim | Coke, besides if you use your computer to do _efficient_ work, who cares if it's free (as in speech)? |
| 07:38.20 | Coke | pilgrim: it's more efficient if it's free. |
| 07:38.21 | blueandwhiteg3 | Paivakil: The machine is getting to the "Failed to start the X server" screen and freezing. What's the best route to start over fresh? I'm not really concerned about what's on here... |
| 07:38.30 | pilgrim | Coke, lol. how so? |
| 07:38.34 | Coke | pilgrim: I can read sources from any application on my computer, thus learn what it does and how it does it. |
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| 07:38.57 | pilgrim | Coke, is reading source you job? |
| 07:39.01 | dimir | Coke: install vrms! |
| 07:39.02 | Paivakil | blueandwhiteg3: what is your video chipset? |
| 07:39.10 | pilgrim | your* |
| 07:39.10 | Coke | pilgrim: I can intergrate and use any software on my computer without having to do anything extra. (no buying, no ordering, no applying for any sort of membership) |
| 07:39.17 | Paivakil | chipset or video card or whatever you call it |
| 07:39.19 | Coke | pilgrim: both reading and writing. |
| 07:39.24 | eeyore- | !seen abrotman |
| 07:39.25 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2h 41m 5s ago, saying: '!nuke pasadena'. |
| 07:39.26 | blueandwhiteg3 | Paivakil: Intel GMA 900 / i915 mobo / Celeron D with EMT64 and XD |
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| 07:39.33 | nevyn | Coke: no filling out little coupons for once only offers.. |
| 07:39.41 | pilgrim | Coke, not everyone is in the same industry as you are though. |
| 07:39.54 | Coke | pilgrim: but the best benefit of running Debian and all that comes with it is that I know that I can use/reuse any part of it for my own projects. |
| 07:39.56 | pilgrim | Coke, so the free argument is crap sometimes. |
| 07:40.13 | Coke | pilgrim: for a programmer (or any technical work related to software) free is better. |
| 07:40.14 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: look at your X log |
| 07:40.15 | streuner | eeyore-: prolly sleeping |
| 07:40.18 | pilgrim | Coke, not if the project is going to be _non_ free. |
| 07:40.28 | Coke | pilgrim: sure it is. |
| 07:40.37 | eeyore- | struen: yeah. wonder if he wants to come to california :-> |
| 07:40.39 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: I'm booting into "recovery mode" from GRUB |
| 07:40.42 | Coke | pilgrim: I work at a university now so everything I do is free, but I have worked 10+ years in the private industry too. |
| 07:40.50 | Paivakil | blueandwhiteg3: you have misconfigured X |
| 07:40.59 | Coke | pilgrim: so much easier when I can use any part of a system without having to worry about pricing and lawsuits. |
| 07:41.00 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: I doubt that helps |
| 07:41.04 | gteppel | I'm running Debian/stable and just install php-cli, after installing php-cli i issued the following command at command line "php -m" to output all the loaded php and zend modules however the pgsql module is not loaded. I have already installed php4-pgsql. Does anybody have any idea of whats going on? |
| 07:41.06 | pilgrim | Coke, interesting. Universities do have that advantage (for the most part). |
| 07:41.12 | blueandwhiteg3 | Paivakil: I never configured X, I just went through the installer ;) |
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| 07:41.25 | Coke | pilgrim: most companies I've worked for gave away the sources with their applications as well. |
| 07:41.38 | pilgrim | Coke, now that's just strange. |
| 07:41.43 | Coke | pilgrim: no. |
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| 07:41.50 | pitillo | hi, anyone had problems with amsn and SID? is it necesary to compile tcl8.5 and tk8.5? SID has 8.4 versions of both programs... |
| 07:41.58 | Coke | pilgrim: I never made dozen applications, we produced tailor made systems. |
| 07:42.13 | pilgrim | Coke, what %-age of companies do that? I mean _really_? |
| 07:42.13 | eeyore- | "we"? |
| 07:42.16 | Coke | pilgrim: besides, why would giving the source code away be a bad thing? exactly how would it affect you? |
| 07:42.17 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: I'm unable to boot the machine into a usable state. In recovery mode, the keyboard doesn't work. In standard mode, it tries to start X, X fails, then the machine freezes. |
| 07:42.25 | recall | Coke, so you must admit that if the world was full of Coke's, these businesses would most likely not be self-sustaining? |
| 07:42.30 | Paivakil | somebody should tell blueandwhiteg3 about configuring X |
| 07:42.32 | Coke | pilgrim: not many, but that's because they are retarded, not because it is bad to give a away sources. |
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| 07:42.38 | recall | (Unless you donate.) |
| 07:42.39 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: oh |
| 07:42.40 | Coke | recall: they would and they are. |
| 07:42.44 | poulos | pid is porcess id. what is the use of a .pid file? it holds a number which i assume is the process id. when will the system generate a .pid file for a process? |
| 07:42.50 | eeyore- | Coke: when your business is based on IP, giving the source away robs your source of income |
| 07:43.08 | Coke | recall: why would revenues go down just because the source is public? you can still tie a license that requires money to be paid. |
| 07:43.08 | eeyore- | Coke: don't be naive ... world still full of IP's |
| 07:43.09 | blueandwhiteg3 | Paivakil: I just went through the standard install. I did it under ubuntu previously without problems. |
| 07:43.13 | Coke | eeyore-: no. |
| 07:43.15 | pilgrim | Coke, well if you're hired by a company to do code for a specific application and release that source, then the competition of that company will use that app and compete with you company's product |
| 07:43.15 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: I don't know then,maybe try 2.4 kernel |
| 07:43.21 | Coke | eeyore-: your IP is still protected by international law. |
| 07:43.39 | Coke | pilgrim: if a company really wanted to do that, reverse engineering isn't that hard. |
| 07:43.44 | eeyore- | Coke: and you'd be silly to count on laws to protect you, alone |
| 07:43.47 | Coke | people develop _concepts_ these days, not source code. |
| 07:44.01 | eeyore- | Coke: oh just stop now :-) |
| 07:44.12 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: I think I'm going to pop in the i386 netinstall disc and try again. Is there any problem with that? Is it possible for me to go right to installing the testing tree? |
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| 07:44.23 | Coke | eeyore-: that's the way it is. |
| 07:44.31 | marcelc | Is NDISWRAPPER only for WAN PCI cards? |
| 07:44.39 | pilgrim | Coke, still just because robbers (if they set their mind to it) can get into your house, doesn't mean you should just leave the doors open/. |
| 07:44.41 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: yes. I'm not sure the etch netinst work at the moment though. see DebianInstallerToday |
| 07:44.43 | Paivakil | blueandwhiteg3: are you able to get a console using ctl+F1-F6 |
| 07:45.11 | eeyore- | marcelc: ndiswrapper is for some cards that don't have native drivers |
| 07:45.11 | blueandwhiteg3 | I'd rather just do a fresh install to ensure I eliminate any errors. |
| 07:45.20 | Coke | pilgrim: very bad analogy, not applicable at all. |
| 07:45.31 | recall | Coke, how effective do you believe tying a license that required you to pay to use an binaries produced from included source code would be? |
| 07:45.34 | pitillo | last months had too many problems with SID, kernel compilation problems, acceleration that dont work with games, extrange upgrades... |
| 07:45.35 | pilgrim | Coke, well not really. |
| 07:45.45 | Paivakil | blueandwhiteg3: not required - you can use dpkg-reconfigrue xerver-xorg if you can get a console |
| 07:45.58 | Coke | recall: very little. how big percentage of the worlds windows users use a pirated copy? |
| 07:46.08 | eeyore- | Coke: you're still young and full of ideals ... come back in a few years when you've lived in the real world for some time |
| 07:46.10 | pilgrim | marcelc, no idea. I'm using it though with a broadcom |
| 07:46.31 | marcelc | pilgrim, I would assume that is wirelss? |
| 07:46.35 | pilgrim | Coke, minimal |
| 07:46.38 | poulos | no one knows anything about .pid file? |
| 07:46.40 | Coke | eeyore-: I'm turning 30 pretty soon. |
| 07:46.45 | pilgrim | Coke, because most come installed when you buy your PC |
| 07:46.59 | Coke | pilgrim: that counts as a non-pirated version |
| 07:47.00 | eeyore- | Coke: giving away non-binaries instantly robs you of many other potential sources of incomes (and negotiation tools) |
| 07:47.06 | pilgrim | marcelc, yeah. |
| 07:47.07 | Coke | eeyore-: why? |
| 07:47.08 | pitillo | i think in a sarge migration... from woody to sarge, from sarge to sid, and now from sid to sarge,. I dont like tht |
| 07:47.08 | blueandwhiteg3 | Paivakill: I cannot get into the console. |
| 07:47.11 | recall | Coke, i'm not sure what you mean. I don't know the numbers, but piracy with Windows isn't a small matter. If Microsoft included the source with Windows, can you imagine how much worse it would be? |
| 07:47.24 | Coke | recall: it wouldn't be worse at all. |
| 07:47.29 | Coke | recall: people don't want the sources for windows though |
| 07:47.33 | marcelc | pilgrim, I have a homeplug 1.0 network, but it shows up in windows as a WAN |
| 07:47.37 | pilgrim | Coke, I know it does, hence the pirated versions are used only by people who go to warez sites . |
| 07:47.39 | Coke | recall: why would it be worse? |
| 07:47.56 | marcelc | pilgrim, has a NDIS minport driver, nothing for linux tho |
| 07:47.56 | Coke | pilgrim: and that's the majority of XP Professional installations in the world. |
| 07:48.10 | pilgrim | marcelc, homeplug?? What the heck?? You're above my head. |
| 07:48.11 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: How can I resolve the key issue with etch? |
| 07:48.21 | Coke | If the sources for Windows were to be released it wouldn't change a thing for Microsoft EXCEPT a loss in credebility (probably) |
| 07:48.22 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: I'm not sure |
| 07:48.23 | marcelc | pilgrim, uses powerlines |
| 07:48.23 | recall | Coke, because people could modify the source to disrupt any piracy protection measures MS included, and then distribute that. |
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| 07:48.30 | Coke | recall: they already did |
| 07:48.34 | eeyore- | blueandwhiteg3: i don't get it. you said you don't mind starting over. well, why don't you? |
| 07:48.40 | recall | Though this happens now, I assume it would be much easier and more common. |
| 07:48.42 | nevyn | eeyore-: but what you're saying is that you can use the source to leverage money out of the dumb shmuck using the software they paid you to write |
| 07:48.44 | Coke | recall: that's why 50% of all XP Pro's are "pirated" |
| 07:48.52 | nevyn | eeyore-: and you don't find anything unethical about this? |
| 07:48.59 | eeyore- | nevyn: eh? i did? |
| 07:49.00 | pilgrim | marcelc, oh. hm.. I don't think I can help you at all. Sorry. |
| 07:49.07 | blueandwhiteg3 | eeyore-: I am currently starting over. I just have had already done a few installs already and hadn't had luck. |
| 07:49.15 | eeyore- | nevyn: i don't recall saying anything like that |
| 07:49.26 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.27 | Azar | good evening honorables, there is no #egoboo channel around here so I need help with settings, the movements are too slow and I do not know how to configure settings, no documentation provided |
| 07:49.30 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.51 | marcelc | ok |
| 07:49.52 | nevyn | Azar: egoboo is grossly incomplete. |
| 07:49.53 | pilgrim | Coke, you think that because most people you know are technicaly inclined. The average joe doesn't know that you can get serial number this and that off the web. |
| 07:49.59 | Coke | the only problem you get by releasing your sources is if you have copied someone elses patented code. |
| 07:50.06 | Azar | nevyn, thank you so much you saved my time |
| 07:50.18 | Coke | pilgrim: legitime businesses in China use pirated copies A LOT |
| 07:50.30 | eeyore- | nevyn: i don't see how that translates to "use the source to leverage ... paid you to write". one does not lead to the other. |
| 07:50.32 | Coke | pilgrim: the same goes for most 3rd world countries. |
| 07:50.48 | blueandwhiteg3 | Chealer: if I install the stable branch of debian, I assume that should work, then I can do an apt-get distupgrade? |
| 07:50.51 | Coke | even here, in Sweden/EU, large government organisations were found guilty of pirating. |
| 07:50.52 | nevyn | Azar: it's the 3rd year uni project that continues to compile so nobody strips it out... |
| 07:50.58 | eeyore- | nevyn: think licensing ... |
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| 07:51.07 | recall | Coke, what does MS have to gain from releasing the source now? |
| 07:51.10 | nevyn | eeyore-: source should be part of any procurement guideline for any sane business |
| 07:51.18 | Coke | Not giving away the sources protects you from nothing but the unconvenience of showing how crappy your code is. The solution to that is to write good code. |
| 07:51.22 | Azar | nevyn, it will be a shame not to finish it it looks really promising |
| 07:51.38 | eeyore- | nevyn: in some industries, that's *never* gonna happen |
| 07:51.45 | Coke | recall: credibility |
| 07:51.46 | nevyn | but essential for all medical and government projects |
| 07:51.50 | eeyore- | nevyn: besides, what do you mean when you say "source"? RTL? |
| 07:51.54 | eeyore- | nevyn: VHDL? |
| 07:51.57 | Coke | recall: for anybody to believe that their systems are safe enough to be used, they have to audit the code. |
| 07:52.23 | Jmax | can anyone help with a firefox fonts issue? |
| 07:52.23 | pilgrim | Coke, I agree. Foreign countries don't give a shit about pirating, which is a great thing for freedom lovers. |
| 07:52.30 | nevyn | eeyore-: if your code.. handles my blood work.. I want to be able to read the damn source |
| 07:52.32 | eeyore- | nevyn: does Dell demand "source" for Intel processors? |
| 07:52.33 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: yes, but I'd consider waiting for Etch d-i to be fixed or finding a workaround |
| 07:52.33 | Coke | pilgrim: no it's not. |
| 07:52.51 | Coke | pilgrim: if all these countries were made to pay for their software they would probably choose free alternatives. |
| 07:53.08 | recall | Coke, are you a proponent of software patents? |
| 07:53.15 | Coke | "Piracy" is bad for the free software market just for that reason, it takes the away the "free beer"-edge it has. |
| 07:53.24 | eeyore- | nevyn: i doubt people have the ability to *comprehend* complex source codes in any reasonable amount of time. not looking down on them. just plain fact of the matter. |
| 07:53.34 | eeyore- | nevyn: do you have the source code to BCM in your car? |
| 07:53.35 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: I am really dying to get a decent Linux install up and running. I have already tried a few distros and I have been unhappy with them all so far, but I think debian will do the trick, IF I can get testing up and running. |
| 07:53.49 | nevyn | eeyore-: I don't have a car with a BCM.. |
| 07:54.01 | eeyore- | nevyn: how often do you trust your life to your car? |
| 07:54.07 | Coke | recall: it's irrelevant, they exist. |
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| 07:54.11 | nevyn | but I would choose to purchase one that used one of the free software systems when I purchased a car |
| 07:54.17 | Paivakil | blueandwhiteg3: try saying `su` when the grub menu comes up, and reconfigre xserver-xfree |
| 07:54.18 | eeyore- | nevyn: you have one with ECM, right? |
| 07:54.22 | nevyn | nope |
| 07:54.30 | eeyore- | nevyn: you have a car, right? |
| 07:54.32 | nevyn | straight oldschool carby |
| 07:54.38 | eeyore- | :) |
| 07:54.39 | blueandwhiteg3 | Paivakill: There's no reason to fight with this. I'm already well into re-installing. |
| 07:54.41 | recall | Coke, it's not irrelevant, it's crucial. If software's source code is available, patents are the only thing protecting the creators. |
| 07:54.52 | blueandwhiteg3 | I just hope it works this time... |
| 07:54.59 | tonyyarusso | Can VNC connect to a computer which is booted up, but does not have any user logged in? |
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| 07:55.10 | nevyn | tonyyarusso: yes. |
| 07:55.11 | ChMuRI | hi |
| 07:55.17 | tonyyarusso | nevyn: How? |
| 07:55.30 | nevyn | tonyyarusso: number of possibilties... |
| 07:55.33 | Paivakil | blueandwhiteg3: then do *not* install X first time - complete the basic install and then install X after a dist-upgrade |
| 07:55.39 | nevyn | tonyyarusso: run the vncxserver |
| 07:55.46 | Coke | recall: "protecting"? from what? In a free market economy (I'm talking really free) the creator has to compete with producers as well, I think that competition is good. It would motiviate you not only to be a good creator but also a good producer. |
| 07:56.27 | eeyore- | utopian world where all source code is available will never happen, unless we have "free energy" and gets rid of money :-) |
| 07:56.30 | Coke | recall: the big problem we face today is that patents remove competition which means monopoly status for the producers. |
| 07:56.43 | nevyn | eeyore-: does'nt mean it's not worth striving for |
| 07:56.43 | Coke | recall: it's totally OT, however interresting. :) |
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| 07:57.14 | eeyore- | nevyn: it's pointless, but if you want something to do, sure, go for it |
| 07:57.21 | nevyn | eeyore-: just because a socialist economy will never exist doesn't make it not worth striving for. |
| 07:57.52 | blueandwhiteg3 | Paivakil: I am rebooting the first time into the base system configuration. I'll see about not installing X. |
| 07:57.57 | Coke | nevyn: I know one good reason a socialist society is worth avoiding: freedom. |
| 07:58.01 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: hehe, I understand you :) |
| 07:58.12 | tonyyarusso | nevyn, So I just need to make the server and connecting to the network/internet run on boot? After that, how does the connection process work? |
| 07:58.15 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: I doubt that the netinst will completely fail |
| 07:58.19 | nevyn | freedom to die on the street? |
| 07:58.33 | recall | Coke, people don't work that way; they don't carry huge spanning skillsets. A good programmer is not always a good marketer. If he has any hopes of competiting with a larger business, he must protect his designs. |
| 07:58.37 | nevyn | freedom to watch people freeze to death every winter? |
| 07:58.59 | nevyn | tonyyarusso: you need to install the vnc software |
| 07:59.02 | Coke | recall: companies doesn't have to be just one individual, you know. |
| 07:59.08 | recall | Coke, as you said...we're wayyy offtopic, but it is interesting. I'm not against your ideals, however...I just don't think they will work. |
| 07:59.10 | eeyore- | nevyn: where does that come from? |
| 07:59.17 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer/paivakill: ftp/http/edit sources list by hand... is there any reason why I'd want to edit sources by hand now? |
| 07:59.24 | eeyore- | recall: i'm not enforcing channel topic :-) |
| 07:59.29 | Coke | nevyn: freedom to choose how you want to use your mind and body. |
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| 07:59.39 | tonyyarusso | nevyn, Got that much done. Actually running XChat over it right now, just for kicks. |
| 07:59.54 | nevyn | tonyyarusso: what are you attempting to achieve? |
| 08:00.07 | Coke | nevyn: dying is an unevitiable part of life, opression isn't. |
| 08:00.21 | nevyn | freedom to enslave your fellow man.. |
| 08:00.26 | Coke | nevyn: no. |
| 08:00.30 | nevyn | no? |
| 08:00.33 | eeyore- | Coke: there are some parts of a business that are not affected by source releases. IT for instance. go be in IT so you can release source all day long :-) |
| 08:00.40 | Coke | nevyn: that's a major no-no. your freedom can never include removing someone elses freedom. |
| 08:00.40 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: any reason for editing the sources by hand at this point? |
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| 08:00.57 | eeyore- | Coke: but there are sources that are *core* to the business, e.g., if you let it out you can kiss your core business goodbye. THOSE sources cannot be let out. |
| 08:00.59 | blueandwhiteg3 | I'm going ahead with HTTP |
| 08:01.10 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: hum, I doubt it. all sources should be affected by the APT key problem |
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| 08:01.25 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: I'll try checking the apt-key problem |
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| 08:01.43 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: any reason to add another apt source? |
| 08:01.51 | Coke | eeyore-: I beleive you are wrong. Qt released libqt. |
| 08:01.53 | blueandwhiteg3 | (its prompting me) |
| 08:01.57 | Coke | eeyore-: they are still making money. |
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| 08:01.59 | tonyyarusso | nevyn: No specific goal at the moment, wondering what I can do. Could be helpful for maintaining the family computer while I'm at school 1000 miles away. |
| 08:02.17 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: I wouldn't see why |
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| 08:02.35 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: security updates from security.debian.org? |
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| 08:02.49 | blueandwhiteg3 | (I am just making sure I do this right this time around..) |
| 08:02.54 | nevyn | Coke: yeah from licencing qt on windows and mac... |
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| 08:03.06 | nevyn | but all gui toolkits suck.. they all have bugs. |
| 08:03.11 | Coke | nevyn: people who develop for windows do not use Qt in any great extent. |
| 08:03.15 | eeyore- | nevyn: and support. |
| 08:03.23 | nevyn | Coke: you're a crack monkey |
| 08:03.26 | eeyore- | nevyn: it's the per-seat commercial development they make money from |
| 08:03.28 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: no |
| 08:03.40 | eeyore- | Coke: what? |
| 08:03.42 | nevyn | Coke: qt is extremly popular for in house development on windows |
| 08:03.57 | Coke | nevyn: besides, qt is gpl'ed they can't decide what you want to use it for. |
| 08:04.06 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: software to install... should I select a package, or do it manually? |
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| 08:04.17 | blueandwhiteg3 | desktop environment = X |
| 08:04.21 | nevyn | Coke: yes they can. |
| 08:04.25 | Coke | nevyn: you can take the qt sources, make them windows portable and rerelease them. it's all within the limitations of the GNU GPL. |
| 08:04.26 | n3x | Can Anyone help with : Warning: /dev/hda is not on the first disk |
| 08:04.29 | nevyn | Coke: qt is dual licenced... |
| 08:04.35 | n3x | Lilo Related problem |
| 08:04.38 | nevyn | Coke: nobody's done this because it's hard.... |
| 08:04.52 | nevyn | and the trolls get grumpy when people start doing it. |
| 08:05.00 | Coke | nevyn: well, you have the _right_ to do it even if you're too lazy to do it. |
| 08:05.08 | nevyn | sure. |
| 08:05.16 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: yes. I'd do it manually |
| 08:05.22 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: I'm picking desktop environment/manual and going to hunt down X and turn it off |
| 08:05.25 | Coke | SUN puts a lot of money into Gnome. |
| 08:05.35 | eeyore- | Coke: out of curiosity, what kind of industries have you worked in? |
| 08:05.40 | Coke | A lot of other companies are responsible for funding most new development on Linux |
| 08:05.54 | Coke | eeyore-: finance, mostly, but also electronics. |
| 08:06.13 | n3x | Can Anyone help with : Warning: /dev/hda is not on the first disk - Lilo related Issue |
| 08:06.15 | tarzeau | yeah firefox 1.5 and its lockfile handling is hilarious crap |
| 08:06.25 | eeyore- | Coke: were you responsible for the company being profitable? |
| 08:06.39 | Coke | eeyore-: no, I was a code grunt. |
| 08:06.49 | Coke | eeyore-: but whoever was responsible had the same ideas as me. |
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| 08:07.05 | Coke | eeyore-: that's were I got the notion that source availability does little to profit. |
| 08:07.21 | blueandwhiteg3 | ahh I fee like an idiot as I hit the wrong key and it's trying to install before i could deselect them alll |
| 08:07.21 | eeyore- | Coke: so ... why do people need your company? |
| 08:07.31 | Coke | eeyore-: to write, maintain and run the software. |
| 08:07.49 | eeyore- | Coke: but why? any other code monkey can do the job just as well? |
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| 08:07.53 | blueandwhiteg3 | gahhhh this won't stop either |
| 08:07.59 | philips | I just debbootstrapped a box and I am getting this error when apt-get updating W: GPG error: http://debian.oregonstate.edu sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 08:08.11 | blueandwhiteg3 | aptitude is inept, how can I stop it? |
| 08:08.11 | Coke | eeyore-: yes they can, but if they wanted to modify the code they had to buy a special license that allowed them to. |
| 08:08.22 | Coke | eeyore-: a lot of the customers did that. |
| 08:08.23 | eeyore- | Coke: but why do they have to buy a license? |
| 08:08.31 | eeyore- | Coke: they already have the source code |
| 08:08.42 | n3x | philips: read the topic |
| 08:08.42 | Coke | eeyore-: because that's what the law mandates them to do according to agreement. |
| 08:08.47 | pitillo | !dpkg tell philips about 2006 key |
| 08:08.53 | nevyn | eeyore-: why should they be tied to the original implementor? |
| 08:09.05 | eeyore- | Coke: but if i have the source code and i break the law and you don't know, why do i have to pay you? |
| 08:09.05 | nevyn | eeyore-: if the company isn't giving apropriate service.... |
| 08:09.06 | Coke | nevyn: exactly. |
| 08:09.09 | Horwitz | morgen |
| 08:09.26 | Coke | eeyore-: if you don't give me the source code and I pirate the software, why do I have to pay you? |
| 08:09.36 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: here I go again, there was no way to stop aptitude from downloading |
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| 08:09.51 | Coke | eeyore-: the _sources_ have no part in the loss of income what so ever. |
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| 08:09.58 | frost | I uninstalling a local package I accidentally remove several files provided by a debian package (alsa libs). How can I reinstall these missing files? |
| 08:10.19 | Coke | eeyore-: you pirate my sources, I pirate your binaries. probably less piracy on source code since it requires an insane amount of technical competence to use. |
| 08:10.33 | eeyore- | Coke: so you plan to bank your entire business on the protection of the law alone ... nevermind that it's very expensive to enforce, and not all countries offer the same protections either |
| 08:10.39 | nevyn | blueandwhiteg3: press q |
| 08:10.43 | d0uglas | shad0-w |
| 08:10.44 | eeyore- | Coke: do you realize how MUCH it costs to litigate? |
| 08:10.55 | blueandwhiteg3 | q didn't work |
| 08:10.55 | sep | frost apttude reinstall packagename |
| 08:11.10 | Coke | eeyore-: do you think binary-only distribution will prevent anything? |
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| 08:12.02 | Coke | eeyore-: MyData have successfully whooped ass in the courts for voilations of their GPL'ed software, I'm sure violating agreements will whoop ass too. |
| 08:12.13 | eeyore- | Coke: you don't get it, do you ... i don't care if you pirate my program. the program doesn't matter. |
| 08:12.25 | eeyore- | Coke: it's the IP, that matters. |
| 08:12.30 | Coke | eeyore-: you still have that. |
| 08:12.52 | eeyore- | Coke: no, not once the "source" (and we don't mean C source, or C++ source) |
| 08:13.04 | recall | Coke, what about DRM applications? |
| 08:13.20 | nevyn | eeyore-: which the trade secrets or the copyright or the patents? please be more clear? |
| 08:13.23 | Coke | eeyore-: yes you do |
| 08:13.30 | tonyyarusso | When using VNC, how do you scale the screen to fit without scrollbars within the bounds of your taskbar and panel? |
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| 08:13.41 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: I'm deactivating x-everything. (ok, except xml-core and xmms) - is that right? |
| 08:13.46 | nevyn | tonyyarusso: use krdc |
| 08:13.48 | frost | sep: excellent, thanks! |
| 08:13.50 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: desktop environment installs gnome and KDE too. just install the x-window-system-core package |
| 08:13.52 | eeyore- | nevyn: all of the above |
| 08:14.05 | tonyyarusso | nevyn, What's that? |
| 08:14.07 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: in aptitude? |
| 08:14.11 | Coke | eeyore-: your business model is outdated and obsoleted. it is only a matter of time before companies like yours, and the others, will have to face the fact; free software gives the same things as your software, only it's free(dom) too. |
| 08:14.15 | nevyn | patents on software tend to be overwide and too far reaching. |
| 08:14.38 | nevyn | Coke: there is a genuine issue in what eeyore- is saying |
| 08:14.44 | eeyore- | Coke: you don't even know what we do :-) |
| 08:14.45 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: tell me exactly what to do. I am at the select and install packages stage. Select packages manually is the only option I should pick...? |
| 08:14.58 | nevyn | in some cases software IS the market differenciator for a company |
| 08:14.59 | pilgrim | nevyn, amin. |
| 08:15.05 | Coke | nevyn: no. I cannot see any losses in distributing sources to your clients. |
| 08:15.08 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: install nothing. then manually apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 08:15.34 | Coke | nevyn: it's changing. just ten years ago nobody here heard of GNU or Linux, these days 9/10 servers are runningi t. |
| 08:15.35 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: OK, I'll select nothing |
| 08:15.56 | nevyn | Coke: go take a chill pill it's NOWhere near that high |
| 08:16.00 | nevyn | but maybe you are. |
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| 08:16.35 | pilgrim | nevyn, everyone that disagrees with you is not high, you know. |
| 08:16.51 | Coke | nevyn: well, including BSD in that number then. |
| 08:16.51 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: I'm done and at the terminal login |
| 08:16.59 | tonyyarusso | nevyn, Do have a link for kdrc perhaps? |
| 08:17.14 | nevyn | pilgrim: anyone who thinks linux is installed on 9/10 servers is seriously out of touch with reality |
| 08:17.18 | recall | 95% of statistics are made up on the spot. |
| 08:17.38 | blueandwhiteg3 | I'm now installing the xwindow stuff only |
| 08:17.48 | pilgrim | nevyn, I agree. |
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| 08:17.56 | Coke | nevyn: ofcourse, I am limited to the software industry. I don't know what people use in other industries because I haven't explored them. |
| 08:18.11 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: cool. you installed that from an etch netinst? |
| 08:18.14 | eeyore- | nevyn: i would love a world in which all source code is freely available. heck, i would *love* to be able to tweak things all day long. but, at the end of the day, if my own company can't exist when "source" (think RTL code or VHDL code) is "freely available", then i have no right to demand other companies release their "source" either |
| 08:18.25 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: no, I am currently in the stable/main stree |
| 08:18.33 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: shall I stop it? |
| 08:18.39 | Coke | eeyore-: I think your companies existence has little do to with the source availability though. |
| 08:18.45 | chealer | blueandwhiteg3: oh. you can try |
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| 08:18.53 | eeyore- | Coke: you still think C code? |
| 08:18.53 | kristalino | hi. i got a problem when i try to connect to freenode irc server, from a pc behind a nat, as everything else works (http, even some others irc servers) but not freenode. http://pastebin.com/491435 for more details |
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| 08:19.26 | Coke | eeyore-: no, any technical information on your application made available should do no damage to you. unless you try to hide flaws. |
| 08:19.42 | omi | Hello all, does anyone know why packet rate of a bonded interface is horrible? I'm getting faster speed but 1/8th the max packet rate |
| 08:20.33 | nevyn | eeyore-: I think the VHDL code for things should be available |
| 08:21.49 | bibe | hi all. I use sarge on my laptop, and I added backports repository to get the latest kernel image(s). I could install linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 without problems, and I have been using this kernel for some days. Today I upgraded to linux-image-2.6.15-1-686: the installation works OK, but I can't uninstall properly the "old" linux-image. How can I investigate this "subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 128" error? |
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| 08:21.54 | Coke | eeyore-: Microsofts response to the Windows source code leak was totally focused on the security aspects, not the commercial implications. And THAT is a matter of Security Through Obscurity or not. |
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| 08:22.41 | omi | perhaps this is a wrong place to ask, is there a packet encapsulation protocol that can send one large packet containing several smaller once? |
| 08:22.43 | Coke | eeyore-: they know, just like I do, but appearantly you don't, that the source code being publically available wouldn't do anything but damage their credibility. |
| 08:22.57 | kristalino | bibe_: backports is bad |
| 08:23.09 | eeyore- | bibe_: that's one of debian's enduring braindeadness. you have to hack the pre-remove script (or whatever it's failing on) to simply "exit 0" |
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| 08:23.47 | bibe_ | eeyore- , kristalino : thanks for the tips |
| 08:23.51 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: what is the proper string to enter in /etc/apt/sources.list - change "stable main" to "testing main"? |
| 08:24.34 | eeyore- | bibe_: yeah, i see it's "post remove" script. yeah, near the top (not the first line, though) of the script, put "exit 0" so it won't do the rest of the actions that cause thes cript to fail |
| 08:25.27 | eeyore- | bibe_: if you're interested in fixing the script completely, you can :-) if you just want to be done with it, you can. it's just IMHO that package removal should never ever fail no matter what, but debian disagrees :-> |
| 08:26.08 | blueandwhiteg3 | Anybody on the proper string to enter to move to the debian testing tree? It's a simple question, but I don't want to make a typo and wonder what happened.. |
| 08:26.09 | bibe_ | eeyore- : should I remove it from the source package's script? |
| 08:26.45 | eeyore- | bibe_: no. just edit the script in ... /var/dpkg somewhere. find /var -name "*.postrm", i *think* |
| 08:26.46 | kristalino | anyone ? |
| 08:27.02 | blueandwhiteg3 | I think it should be set to "etch main" |
| 08:27.30 | bibe_ | eeyore- : thanks |
| 08:28.44 | ootput | does anybody know what's required when doing a debootstrap installation? for instance, additional steps like setting locales.. |
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| 08:29.25 | Set | what deskop system takes lest resources? |
| 08:29.53 | eeyore- | Set: one that's powered off |
| 08:30.08 | Set | lmao |
| 08:30.09 | Set | not really |
| 08:31.09 | loxley_ | Set: openbox, fluxbox are pretty lightweight |
| 08:31.16 | eeyore- | Set: Gem on Atari ST runs in as little as 128MB |
| 08:31.37 | blueandwhiteg3 | chealer: I have moved to etch main and am running a dist-upgrade |
| 08:32.03 | eeyore- | Set: old Commodore Amigas came with 512k of shared memory ... |
| 08:32.16 | eeyore- | Set: and 2MB RAM expansion ... |
| 08:32.20 | loxley_ | is this the #nostalgy channel? |
| 08:32.32 | eeyore- | Set: i gather that's pretty lightweight |
| 08:32.53 | bibe_ | eeyore-: putting 'exit 0;' as the first uncommented of /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.1*.postrm line works. Thank you. |
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| 08:32.58 | eeyore- | did i say 128MB on the ST? god i was smoking crack. |
| 08:33.21 | erikyyy | what do i do against this on apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 08:33.28 | jm_ | erikyyy: read the topic |
| 08:33.40 | erikyyy | oh sorry!!! |
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| 08:36.37 | erikyyy | ok. second problem is that gnucash is not installable on unstable. i didn't find a bugreport on it. is it reasonable to create one? |
| 08:36.53 | jm_ | why not? |
| 08:36.54 | blueandwhiteg3 | I have completed installing X. How do I test it? |
| 08:37.05 | jm_ | I mean why is it not installable? |
| 08:37.17 | erikyyy | jm_: cause of dependency problems |
| 08:37.22 | eeyore- | blueandwhiteg3: "startx" |
| 08:37.22 | erikyyy | jm_: just try apt-get install gnucash |
| 08:37.43 | jm_ | erikyyy: I don't use unstable, I can't try it - but if it's because of some transition, then there's no point in submitting a bug |
| 08:37.51 | erikyyy | i see |
| 08:38.04 | n3x | as for the 2006 Key: |
| 08:38.04 | n3x | excalibur:~# apt-key add |
| 08:38.05 | n3x | gpg: can't open `': No such file or directory |
| 08:38.07 | eeyore- | erikyyy: unstable is always going to have this sort of problems |
| 08:38.08 | n3x | any ideas? |
| 08:38.21 | jm_ | that's not what dpkg says about adding the key |
| 08:38.22 | eeyore- | erikyyy: if you're impatient, go grab the files from incoming directly |
| 08:38.23 | n3x | ignore that |
| 08:38.33 | doubleukay | is it possible to sample every n packets with tcpdump? |
| 08:38.38 | eeyore- | erikyyy: http://incoming.debian.org/, i think. if it's still there |
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| 08:39.15 | jm_ | doubleukay: that's not really useful |
| 08:39.18 | erikyyy | eeyore-: yes there are many packages there |
| 08:39.19 | blueandwhiteg3 | Ahhh now there is a fsck problem. Debian is turning out to be freaking hard to install. |
| 08:39.29 | blondie | of course |
| 08:39.34 | doubleukay | jm_, am trying to find out which host is flooding the network |
| 08:39.47 | doubleukay | there's a lot of other legit traffic as well |
| 08:39.55 | eeyore- | blueandwhiteg3: it won't be a big deal if you stuck with "stable" release |
| 08:39.56 | jm_ | doubleukay: you can exclude legal traffic |
| 08:40.09 | eeyore- | blueandwhiteg3: but no ... you have to be adventurous, and go "unstable". hmm. |
| 08:40.30 | eeyore- | blueandwhiteg3: why not try gentoo? |
| 08:40.31 | blueandwhiteg3 | eeyore-: my sound card is not supported under unstable. Besides, I installed unstable and it seems it didn't support my video, or soemthing. |
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| 08:40.36 | pitillo | sid is very unstable know.... |
| 08:40.50 | eeyore- | pitillo: yes. i like sid ;-) |
| 08:40.58 | eeyore- | keeps life interesting |
| 08:41.05 | blueandwhiteg3 | eeyore-: I didn't want unstable, just testing... |
| 08:41.18 | n3x | Is: apt-key add -; Meant to take a long time? |
| 08:41.18 | eeyore- | blueandwhiteg3: same thing, only more problems |
| 08:41.41 | eeyore- | blueandwhiteg3: because when problems are fixed, guess which branch they get fixed first? |
| 08:41.50 | pitillo | eeyore-, i liked it, but know I have too may problems |
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| 08:42.17 | blueandwhiteg3 | eeyore-: I just want an apt-based linux with lots of recent software, particularly alsa, vlc, mplayer, and of course video drivers |
| 08:42.24 | jm_ | n3x: you need to pipe it something on stdin... |
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| 08:42.31 | blueandwhiteg3 | Is Debian not what I want? |
| 08:42.37 | eeyore- | pitillo: not any more than gentoo ... i just realize i never should have used -mfpmath=sse ... oops |
| 08:42.51 | Paivakil | blueandwhiteg3: mplayer is not in debian - patent issues - but you can get it from marillat |
| 08:42.56 | Paivakil | !marillat |
| 08:42.56 | pitillo | eeyore-, Im thinking in crux... |
| 08:42.56 | dpkg | well, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
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| 08:43.21 | pitillo | eeyore-, I dont know nothing about gentoo... |
| 08:43.51 | blueandwhiteg3 | Paivakil: But Debian is widely used, so it's a simply matter of adding the proper repositories and I'm good to go. |
| 08:43.53 | eeyore- | many packages don't care about -mfpmath=sse, but encoding ogg is horrible! screws up the encoded file royally. |
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| 08:44.35 | Serialkiller | any one around |
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| 08:45.14 | Paivakil | Serialkiller: not likely |
| 08:45.21 | eeyore- | Serialkiller: if they only knew what we were doing ... running just as fast as we can ... holding on to one another's hand ... |
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| 08:45.41 | Serialkiller | i am getting a gpg error on apt source kernel.org |
| 08:45.47 | Serialkiller | anyone get that? |
| 08:45.53 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.08 | dondelelcaro | so many people are getting it that it's even in the /topic... |
| 08:46.08 | pureone | !topicsmite Serialkiller |
| 08:46.08 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Serialkiller. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 08:46.18 | Serialkiller | lol |
| 08:46.30 | litb | why does compiling a library slow down my system so that my mouse event can't move smoothly? |
| 08:46.48 | litb | i encounter this behaivor only on this debian machine |
| 08:46.51 | blueandwhiteg3 | I think I am going to return to Ubuntu. I looked at their latest snapshot and perhaps that will be up to date enough.... |
| 08:46.54 | eeyore- | litb: maybe your hard drive isn't using DMA so your CPU is forced to poll? |
| 08:46.55 | Paivakil | litb: because your system is Pentium Pro? |
| 08:47.03 | Gnea | litb: what machine? |
| 08:47.05 | jm_ | litb: is DMA enabled for disk? is interrupt unmasking enabled for the drive? |
| 08:47.09 | litb | P4 |
| 08:47.12 | Guerin | litb: what's the machine, what's the lib, what else is it doing, what wm are you using, etc? |
| 08:47.15 | litb | Pentium 4 |
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| 08:47.24 | eeyore- | litb: maybe your kernel is a wussy i386 kernel (generic) |
| 08:47.26 | Gnea | litb: sounds like your kernel isn't optimized |
| 08:47.37 | litb | nothing else |
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| 08:47.49 | litb | linux 2.6.13 |
| 08:47.55 | litb | optimized |
| 08:48.01 | litb | for i686 pentium4 |
| 08:48.09 | johnny06 | morning,i have debian sarge & i am having a hard time to open a network share through nautilus"You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network: cindyloup" on a w2k box, i have 3 different shares too on the same box & network where i can enter any share with no problem on the xp boxes,i can use nautilus from fedora box to enter the w2k,i can use nautilus from debian box to access xp shares but n |
| 08:48.09 | johnny06 | ot the w2k,any help will be appreciated |
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| 08:48.50 | Paivakil | litb: is swap enabled? |
| 08:49.09 | eeyore- | litb: sorry, can't say i have that problem. well, maybe on opteron in x86_64, but then that's just SuSE that's screwed up |
| 08:49.24 | litb | /dev/hda3 none swap sw 0 0 |
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| 08:49.47 | en1gma | hey all how goes it |
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| 08:50.21 | en1gma | anyone know anything about "SynCE" and "Multisyn(C)" |
| 08:51.02 | litb | how can i set dma? seems that debian doesn't ship hdparm by default... |
| 08:51.37 | dondelelcaro | !installit |
| 08:51.37 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 08:51.51 | johnny06 | apt-get install hdparm |
| 08:52.01 | recall | http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ is no longer accesible (unknown host), maybe dpkg's apt secure should be updated? |
| 08:52.20 | Set | dpkg got some attitude |
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| 08:52.51 | litb | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.56 | Guerin | he's the distilled attitude of #debian |
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| 08:53.13 | tuv | usually runlevel 2 is console only.. debian makes runlevels 2-5 all the same and graphical if a desktop environment is intalled.. why isn't runlevel 2 kept console-only? |
| 08:53.14 | SirDinosaur | is dpkg bogged down? |
| 08:53.15 | litb | doesn't seem the source of my problem |
| 08:53.17 | Guerin | recall: find another source and change the factoid |
| 08:53.26 | SirDinosaur | dpkg isn't replying to my msg. |
| 08:53.39 | SirDinosaur | ah, there we go. |
| 08:53.42 | Guerin | tuv: runlevels are for the admin to configure, not for the OS to dictate |
| 08:54.05 | eeyore- | tuv: i have "system", "default", "up" runlevels ... |
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| 08:54.12 | tuv | Guerin: i'm talking about defaults that are expected to suite most people |
| 08:54.16 | litb | seems that make causes the trouble |
| 08:54.19 | Guerin | tuv: it's not written anywhere what runlevels 2-5 are supposed to be; you're just noticing the choices the authors of red hat's init scripts used |
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| 08:54.31 | Guerin | tuv: 2-5 being customisable suits EVERYONE |
| 08:54.41 | litb | what does "unmask irq" mean? |
| 08:55.41 | qweo | can anybody tell,where i can download ISO image (not jigdo) of Debian testing/unstable? |
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| 08:56.11 | tuv | qweo: what's wrong with jigdo? |
| 08:56.40 | en1gma | anyone know anything about SynCE and Multisyn(C) |
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| 08:57.01 | qweo | tuv, it isn't fast realy |
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| 08:57.49 | qweo | downloading takes so many time.... |
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| 08:59.13 | tuv | qweo: strange.. it's just a regular http download.. besides, you can update your image with jigdo without re-downloading a whole new image |
| 08:59.21 | dondelelcaro | qweo: jigdo is actually probably faster than anything else you're going to do... |
| 08:59.39 | dondelelcaro | qweo: since you should be able to find a local Debian mirror that can completely saturate your pipe. |
| 08:59.49 | qweo | i downloaded Ubuntu DVD ISO image about 1 hour,but jigdo packages downloaded since yesterday and not finished yet |
| 09:00.08 | dondelelcaro | qweo: which mirror are you downloading from? |
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| 09:00.37 | dondelelcaro | in any case, debian.org/CD has the lists of mirrors that have the full CD images; they just tend to be slow. |
| 09:00.43 | qweo | ru.debian.org |
| 09:00.47 | eeyore- | good night, people |
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| 09:01.13 | litb | renice make doesn't work too |
| 09:01.21 | dondelelcaro | qweo: see if you can find a faster debian mirror in .ru... it could be its pipe is garbage. |
| 09:01.32 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 09:01.32 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 09:02.06 | qweo | dondelelcaro, thx,i try this mirrors |
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| 09:03.10 | dondelelcaro | here anyway, it's not that difficult to find mirrors which will to 5MB/s |
| 09:03.14 | _zack | hi all, I've a question related to kernel 2.6.15 & udev & firmware |
| 09:03.31 | _zack | where should the firmware should be installed these days? |
| 09:03.40 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, but even that shouldn't take that long; I made an entire mirror in less than 5 hours, iirc. |
| 09:03.43 | Guerin | _zack: ask a kernel channel |
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| 09:03.59 | dondelelcaro | _zack: depends on the module, unfortunatly. Generally the module will tell you. |
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| 09:04.25 | _zack | dondelelcaro: I think my problem is rather common, it's the ipw2200, any experience with it? |
| 09:04.37 | dondelelcaro | _zack: most of them shouldn't require firmware. |
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| 09:05.21 | rrronrad | hi, I'm looking for a package that would allow me to configure exim, create e-mail boxes / aliasses for different domains, the second with a web interface. I'd also like to allow my users to update their password / auto reply messages. Any ideas on packages I might want to take a look at? |
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| 09:06.12 | _zack | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 09:06.25 | dondelelcaro | or at least, the last time I played with one of those on a t43 it didn't... |
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| 09:07.25 | bibe_ | _zack : I use to install ipw2200 firmware under /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ |
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| 09:07.39 | _zack | bibe_: is it still working with the latest udev? |
| 09:07.58 | hid3 | Morning everyone. Is there any possibility to force the system to send each user's .bash_history to root each time he/she logs out? |
| 09:08.21 | bibe_ | _zack : I still use hotplug |
| 09:08.30 | _zack | bibe_: ok, tnx |
| 09:08.39 | dondelelcaro | hid3: uh... that's such a horrible idea... |
| 09:09.07 | dondelelcaro | plus, there's nothing stoping a user from not having a .bash_history to begin with |
| 09:09.07 | hid3 | dondelelcaro, I *care* about the security. |
| 09:09.25 | dondelelcaro | hid3: it won't do anything for your security |
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| 09:09.32 | litb | kswapd is located on the very top eating cpu time processes |
| 09:09.43 | litb | just under g++ |
| 09:09.44 | hid3 | At least I'd know who is doing what |
| 09:09.47 | litb | is that normal? |
| 09:09.58 | Soulwinter | hi guys |
| 09:10.13 | dondelelcaro | hid3: not if they're intelligent, you wont. setting HISTFILE="" or HISTFILESIZE=0; will completely thwart your plans. |
| 09:10.40 | pitillo | if I want to allow only one IP to use a service... need to add to hotst.allow and in hosts.deny deny all ? |
| 09:10.44 | hid3 | well, they're not so intelligent to do that I guess.. |
| 09:10.50 | dondelelcaro | or doing what I like to do when people do that; make .bash_history a symlink to /dev/zero |
| 09:11.05 | Soulwinter | i'd like to know if theres a way to use chroot like on bsd: chroot [-u user] [-g group] [-G group,group,...] newroot [command] ???? |
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| 09:11.20 | dondelelcaro | Soulwinter: su before you chroot |
| 09:11.26 | dondelelcaro | s/before/after/ |
| 09:11.31 | Soulwinter | then it'll work? |
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| 09:12.07 | dondelelcaro | Soulwinter: assuming the -u -g stuff is setting the uid/gid, yes. |
| 09:12.21 | dli | my Xorg.0.log shows DRI is enabled, but glxinfo shows Direct Rendering: No |
| 09:14.11 | pitillo | dli, take a look to this guide, in dri section: http://lokalix.dyndns.org/index_en?get=manuales/en/manual_ati_radeon |
| 09:14.19 | dli | pitillo, thanks |
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| 09:14.48 | Paivakil | litb: no |
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| 09:15.04 | Paivakil | what is your ram size? |
| 09:15.12 | pitillo | dli, I hope it helps you, I had that problem and I do it |
| 09:15.39 | dondelelcaro | litb: is DMA on? |
| 09:16.09 | ariela | hi folks |
| 09:16.24 | dli | pitillo, it's Group "video" ? |
| 09:17.09 | pitillo | dli, yes I add that in dri section and get acceleration |
| 09:17.09 | litb | dma is on. "free -m" says: "Mem: 115 72 42 0 0 44" |
| 09:17.18 | litb | it seems i have 115MB ram... |
| 09:17.20 | litb | :) |
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| 09:17.48 | ariela | just 2 questions about new kernel configuration: 1. when finished I've to click on "save configurazion on alternate file"? 2. http://hinst.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1 ... I've to make the section "upgrading the kernel", or it doesn't matter? |
| 09:17.49 | litb | and swap is: "486 55 431" |
| 09:17.51 | pitillo | dli, take a look if you had that group and if you are in.. |
| 09:17.55 | litb | 5MB swap is used |
| 09:18.00 | litb | 55MB swap is used |
| 09:18.07 | litb | could that be the problem? |
| 09:18.25 | Guerin | litb: the middle line of free |
| 09:19.00 | litb | -/+ buffers/cache: 27 87 |
| 09:19.12 | litb | what does that mean? |
| 09:19.33 | Guerin | litb: it means you have 87MB of free ram |
| 09:19.34 | Paivakil | litb: what are you compiling? |
| 09:19.37 | jm_ | Guerin: free has 4 lines, so that's a bit ambiguous :) |
| 09:19.38 | dondelelcaro | litb: that means that you have 87 M of trivially freeable ram. |
| 09:19.39 | Guerin | litb: so ram isn't an issue. |
| 09:19.53 | dli | pitillo, yes, I added the line, and I'm already in video group, I restarted X, still No |
| 09:19.53 | Guerin | jm_: hrm, yeah. |
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| 09:20.42 | litb | Paivakil, wxWidgets |
| 09:20.49 | litb | c++ |
| 09:21.00 | litb | using g++ |
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| 09:21.28 | pitillo | dli, well I do that and get acceleration... =( |
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| 09:21.41 | Soulwinter | hm dondelelcaro |
| 09:21.46 | Soulwinter | still doesnt work |
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| 09:21.58 | dondelelcaro | Soulwinter: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 09:22.07 | dli | pitillo, it's not an ait, it's an old S3 ProSavage |
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| 09:22.43 | Soulwinter | changing the root dir of the user ftptest on my server to /home/ftptest |
| 09:22.45 | pitillo | dli, what is the color depth you are using? |
| 09:22.45 | Soulwinter | so |
| 09:22.49 | Soulwinter | if someone connects over ftp |
| 09:22.52 | litb | line of the top of 'top': "5962 js 26 0 89888 65m 608 D 2.3 56.6 0:09.32 cc1plus" |
| 09:23.05 | Soulwinter | hes not able to cd into other dirs outside of |
| 09:23.06 | litb | does that mean that cc1plus takes 56.6% of my memory?? |
| 09:23.12 | Soulwinter | ./home/ftptest |
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| 09:24.22 | Kithe | hi, I just installed debian on my laptop but this time around it seems to not recognize my keylayout... it should be 105 int but it won't change to it... any clues? |
| 09:24.32 | deadline | hi @ all, im trying to understand: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerModify im not sure about the part "files and hooks" and what to do here exactly. can somebody help me out? |
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| 09:24.47 | Paivakil | litb: I think your system usage is normal for big compilation - you ram is very low; to get significant speed ups increase your ram |
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| 09:25.09 | liable | my stinkpad has decided that it doesnt like having a cd drive in it anymore and hangs for about 30 secs at stage 1.5. Boots instantly without it in though. Where the hell do I start to debug this? |
| 09:25.10 | Soulwinter | dondelelcaro... hm |
| 09:25.24 | litb | Paivakil, ok |
| 09:25.26 | Soulwinter | got some help for me xd? |
| 09:25.39 | Paivakil | liable: bootlog |
| 09:25.58 | dondelelcaro | Soulwinter: you're probably better off not using a real user if you just want them to be able to connect over ftp. Use a virtual user and an ftp server that can do virtual users. |
| 09:26.01 | jm_ | liable: debug in GRUB shows some more info about disk access |
| 09:26.14 | liable | Paivakil: the problem is before the kernel loads.. |
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| 09:26.24 | Soulwinter | is |
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| 09:26.32 | Soulwinter | proftpd able to create virtual users? |
| 09:26.36 | Paivakil | litb: you can ask in wxwidgets channel/fora about how long it takes to compile that |
| 09:27.09 | Paivakil | liable: you can disable using the cdrom as a (possible) boot media from the bios |
| 09:27.15 | litb | i compiled in already |
| 09:27.26 | dondelelcaro | Soulwinter: it should be able to. |
| 09:27.36 | litb | because debian has only a debug version, not ansi |
| 09:27.39 | litb | :( |
| 09:27.40 | liable | jm_: you think this might work even before 1.5? i'll give it a go anyway |
| 09:27.47 | karsten | Anyone have suggestions for use of ssh-agent in conjunction with shell logins. Eg: 'Doze users running Putty to a host that they're then ssh'ing to other boxes from. |
| 09:27.56 | jm_ | liable: hmm good point, that's only available once stage2 loads |
| 09:27.57 | litb | ups, sorry. i mean unicode |
| 09:27.59 | litb | :) |
| 09:28.10 | karsten | Hrm... I STR that Putty does ssh-agent too... |
| 09:28.11 | jm_ | liable: it doesn't have any debugging prior to that |
| 09:28.12 | nkuttler | liable: look if the manufacturer has some diagnosis tools |
| 09:28.23 | liable | Paivakil: the machine boots perfectly with the drive out, so i guess disabling in bios will do the same thing. |
| 09:29.01 | nkuttler | liable: ultimate boot cd etc. may have something |
| 09:29.03 | liable | nkuttler: yeah, there *were* debugging tools, untill I wiped em with linux :) |
| 09:29.35 | Inge | hm |
| 09:29.47 | liable | nkuttler: ok, will check it out. |
| 09:30.13 | liable | certainly seems hardware/bios related.. |
| 09:30.26 | liable | hoping its not the mobo :( |
| 09:30.44 | liable | jm_: bugger |
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| 09:31.36 | nkuttler | liable: if it was a dell a bios upgrade could help, but with ibm... |
| 09:31.54 | nkuttler | or a downgrade even, you never know |
| 09:32.30 | jm_ | liable: I usually use stage1 + stage2 only, no stage1.5, but it should load it from the drive that it booted from |
| 09:32.33 | liable | nkuttler: have seen some old posts wich bios upgrades fix for fairly old machines, i think i might just try a downgrade though. |
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| 09:33.57 | dpy | hey guys |
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| 09:34.08 | dpy | does anyone know a good OSS gmail clone |
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| 09:34.20 | dpy | FliesLikeABrick: fast, minimalistic in design, search, not organize |
| 09:34.24 | dpy | uh |
| 09:34.28 | dpy | grr BX |
| 09:34.36 | dpy | ..like..: fast, minimalistic in design, search, not organize |
| 09:34.52 | dpy | webmail is horrible |
| 09:35.05 | dpy | crashes, can't handle many mails in a folder |
| 09:35.18 | bobbens | meh i like thunderbird but there are many alternatives |
| 09:35.34 | jm_ | liable: however there's a flag that GRUB's install command knows about and you can use it to force it to load stage2 from the drive that stage2 was found on at install time - not quite sure how this plays with stage1.5 |
| 09:35.35 | nkuttler | dpy: apt-cache search webmail. but they aren't like gmail |
| 09:36.20 | dpy | :( |
| 09:36.29 | dpy | it needn't be already packaged for debian |
| 09:36.36 | dpy | as long as it works like gmail |
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| 09:36.54 | dpy | gmail rules, but I've got issues with the privacy for business purposes |
| 09:36.58 | Pooh22 | anybody have experience with logcheck? |
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| 09:37.02 | dpy | for home use gmail is fine |
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| 09:37.23 | Pooh22 | I've added some rules of my own, which test ok, but they don't work in normal logcheck |
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| 09:37.46 | liable | jm_: ok, thanks, just for extra info's, it hangs at 1.5 first then at "loading grub", will have another look at the grub docs and see what gives. |
| 09:38.16 | jm_ | liable: does it actually try to access the CD? |
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| 09:39.21 | tombs | hi all |
| 09:39.28 | liable | jm_: it does spin up if theres a disk in it, yes. The hard drive is also spun up, it just doesnt seem to seek/read for about 30 secs. |
| 09:40.08 | jm_ | liable: hmm that is odd, stage1 is not trivial to debug ;) |
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| 09:40.49 | jm_ | my bro helped me debug it with SoftIce back then when I found out some BIOS-es havee a bug and learned about the 'd' flag |
| 09:41.14 | liable | jm_: yeah, i am praying this isnt hardware, i have recently replaced quite a few parts on this thing to keep it going for what I hope to be another year or two. |
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| 09:42.04 | jm_ | liable: but it does work fine without having a disc in the drive, right? |
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| 09:42.17 | liable | jm_: yep, perfectly. |
| 09:42.24 | liable | jm_: no |
| 09:42.53 | liable | jm_: sorry, it works without the "drive" in the machine (ultrabay removable thingo) |
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| 09:43.39 | jm_ | liable: aha, now that's entirely different issue - as if it tries to access the files on CD, maybe it is some BIOS bug |
| 09:43.50 | acad | i installed php4-gd and i get an error when it gets to "Setting up php4-gd (4.4.0-4) " which says "frontend: cannot connect to X server |
| 09:43.50 | acad | "- how can i fix this? |
| 09:44.06 | jm_ | acad: don't use debconf frontend that requires X |
| 09:44.26 | acad | jm_ whats the solution to it? |
| 09:44.31 | jm_ | acad: man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:44.53 | liable | jm_: yep, downgrade coming up I think. |
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| 09:46.35 | liable | jm_: although, i would imagine a little more info from the linux-thinkpad list about this, but I guess i'll suck it and see :) |
| 09:47.42 | liable | more hyperventilating while I watch my machine possibly kill itself during bios flash.. :( |
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| 09:50.12 | RvGaTe | yo people |
| 09:51.02 | RvGaTe | i have a question regarding SSH... somehow, the time between username input and password prompt is extremely high (around 20 secs in between). is there a setting to change this ? |
| 09:51.17 | acad | what are my options for ftype then? |
| 09:51.47 | acad | i see it looks like i have to do dpkg-reconfigure -ftype somthing- but not idea what that is |
| 09:51.52 | Ayman- | ssh -vv and see what's wrong |
| 09:52.00 | jm_ | man page tells you acad |
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| 09:53.12 | RvGaTe | Ayman-, ssh -vv gives me nothing, only the explenation about the availeble arguments |
| 09:53.17 | acad | no it doesn't |
| 09:53.30 | nkuttler | acad: meh, you don't want -ftype. change it permanently |
| 09:53.32 | acad | it says ftype=type |
| 09:53.51 | jm_ | it does - it tells you SEE ALSO debconf(7) |
| 09:54.14 | liable | one thing that actually shocks me, is that ibm doesnt even provide checksums or anything for there bios flashing executables.. strange for such an important thing. |
| 09:54.29 | jm_ | liable: perhaps it's embedded in the actual flash image |
| 09:54.52 | liable | jm_: hrm, perhaps, lets hope so :) |
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| 09:55.54 | cmot | a very stupid |
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| 09:55.57 | cmot | Arrgh. |
| 09:56.18 | Ayman- | RvGaTe, add -vv to to the same command you use to ssh |
| 09:56.54 | cmot | Well, I meant to say: very OT Q: anybody has a vmware evaluation license number for the latest vmware (linux, of course) workstation handy? vmware.com has problems, so I'm kinda stuck... |
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| 09:57.49 | tarzeau | cmot: #vmware |
| 09:57.59 | tarzeau | cmot: 5.5.1? do you have debian packages? |
| 09:58.45 | kmkaplan | Hello. Has anybody packaged a recent graphviz (> 2.2) ? |
| 09:58.50 | cmot | tarzeau, no, but I always found their tar installer to be not so bad. |
| 09:59.02 | cmot | (and, of course, Hi tarzeau and a happy new year :-) |
| 09:59.13 | tarzeau | cmot: thanks |
| 09:59.15 | tarzeau | !hny |
| 09:59.15 | dpkg | Happy New Year! |
| 09:59.27 | tarzeau | cmot: but i hate their tar installer (it's interactive, sucks for 150 machines) |
| 09:59.28 | cmot | tarzeau, how impersonal :-( |
| 09:59.31 | cmot | :-) |
| 09:59.39 | dondelelcaro | kmkaplan: see #330171 |
| 09:59.45 | cmot | ok, I only got my laptop here, so that doesn't worry me... |
| 10:00.07 | tarzeau | kmkaplan: got sarge? |
| 10:00.28 | kmkaplan | dondelelcaro: OK, will check, thanks. |
| 10:00.37 | kmkaplan | tarzeau: testing. |
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| 10:01.02 | kmkaplan | tarzeau: so yes I think it is called sarge. |
| 10:01.22 | cmot | kmkaplan, sarge is stable, etch is testing |
| 10:01.34 | kmkaplan | OK. |
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| 10:01.59 | kmkaplan | So I use etch (and unstable on my personnal machine). |
| 10:02.43 | wam | Hi! I get a lot of errors like this: "setrlimit limit #4 to soft=0, hard=-1 failed: Operation not permitted". I'm inside a vserver, so some Limits can't be changed. Now I searched /etc/pam.d to find some setting which causes this Try to change limits but I didn't find anything. How can I prevent pam to change limits? Or is maybe pam the wrong place to search? |
| 10:02.53 | doubleukay | (OT) does anyone face problems sending mails to @yahoo.com ? i get lots of timeouts, connection refused, etc |
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| 10:03.26 | RvGaTe | Ayman-, what you mean with adding -vv to the command? |
| 10:03.30 | RvGaTe | im using putty |
| 10:04.03 | Guerin | RvGaTe: enable its logging functions |
| 10:04.09 | Guerin | RvGaTe: or use a real client |
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| 10:06.14 | RvGaTe | Guerin, so putty isn't a real client? |
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| 10:06.22 | karsten | RvGaTe: http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.58/htmldoc/Chapter4.html#config-logging |
| 10:06.37 | karsten | RvGaTe: It's somewhat different from the typical Linux client. |
| 10:06.41 | acad | jm_ i got what i needed but the man didn't solve my problem |
| 10:06.51 | karsten | RvGaTe: ... you might want to look at Cygwin's OpenSSH port. |
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| 10:07.25 | jm_ | acad: did you choose a different frontend? |
| 10:07.28 | Guerin | RvGaTe: if it doesn't have proper logging and verbosity features, it's substandard |
| 10:07.36 | Guerin | RvGaTe: of course, I'm pretty sure it does |
| 10:07.46 | karsten | doubleukay: Yahoo has some pretty aggresive antispam measures. Where are you sending from? A dynamic IP or known mailserver / ISP smarthost? |
| 10:07.56 | karsten | Guerin: r u a girl? |
| 10:08.12 | Guerin | karsten: no 2day, i hv a hdache :((( |
| 10:08.14 | doubleukay | karsten, personal mailservers, colocated at two datacenters |
| 10:08.17 | acad | jm_ no- i bypassed the problem by passing the ssh -X to the server instead |
| 10:08.30 | jm_ | acad: heh |
| 10:08.31 | karsten | doubleukay: Confirm you're not on any known spam dnsbls. |
| 10:08.36 | acad | jm_ although i still wouldn't mind knowing the answer to my problem |
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| 10:08.46 | Guerin | anti-spam measures wouldn't include timeouts or connection refused |
| 10:08.48 | karsten | Guerin: ... and _call_ me in the morning. |
| 10:08.54 | jm_ | acad: I told you - choose a frontend that doesn't require X server to display |
| 10:08.55 | Guerin | that would be connectivity problems |
| 10:08.57 | liable | eww |
| 10:08.58 | karsten | Guerin: Could. Denial of interest attack. |
| 10:09.05 | doubleukay | karsten, confirmed |
| 10:09.12 | Guerin | karsten: that would be the stupidest thing EVER. |
| 10:09.13 | acad | jm_ i understand that- but what i don't understand are what are the frontends? |
| 10:09.23 | jm_ | acad: man 7 debconf explains it |
| 10:09.33 | karsten | Guerin: I sorta like it. I mean, half of Korea would be on #debian asking 'sup... |
| 10:09.57 | karsten | doubleukay: Can you manually run an SMTP session via telnet / netcat port 25? |
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| 10:10.14 | S4nD3r | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org sarge-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 10:10.18 | S4nD3r | How solve this error??? |
| 10:10.18 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: /topic |
| 10:10.29 | RvGaTe | Strange, checking the log, but nothing strange. |
| 10:10.58 | acad | jm_ if debconf --frontend=readline sh -x my-shell-prog that is suppose to explain it- i still don't get it |
| 10:11.07 | botsy | hi all |
| 10:11.25 | liable | how do you get apt that whinges about keys from backports? |
| 10:11.31 | Guerin | karsten: leaving Korea in T minus 50 days |
| 10:11.31 | botsy | with partimage it's possible to save the disk image in a ftp server ? |
| 10:11.34 | jm_ | acad: no, reconfigure debconf and select desired frontend |
| 10:11.36 | Guerin | and counting |
| 10:11.39 | karsten | Guerin: Where for? |
| 10:11.47 | S4nD3r | Ok... I got the key, what to do now ?? |
| 10:11.53 | karsten | S4nD3r: /topic |
| 10:11.56 | Guerin | karsten: http://rt2k6.feayn.org - everywhere |
| 10:12.12 | S4nD3r | karsten, I saw it |
| 10:12.19 | S4nD3r | what to do now ? |
| 10:12.26 | karsten | S4nD3r: whatever you were doing before. |
| 10:12.29 | Paivakil | !apt-secure |
| 10:12.29 | karsten | S4nD3r: ... should now work. |
| 10:12.29 | dpkg | somebody said apt secure was in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D>, or ask me about <2006 key> |
| 10:12.30 | acad | jm_ :) how do i reconfigure debconf? i'm not seeing this |
| 10:12.45 | Paivakil | S4nD3r: see what dpkg said |
| 10:12.46 | karsten | acad: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 10:12.47 | jm_ | acad: for fucks sake, "man dpkg-reconfigure" tells you how |
| 10:13.10 | S4nD3r | Paivakil, I read that |
| 10:13.14 | S4nD3r | I did too... |
| 10:13.18 | doubleukay | 2006-01-05 18:12:13 1EuRvS-0002xZ-GZ SMTP timeout while connected to mx3.mail.yahoo.com [64.156.215.6] after initial connection: Connection timed out |
| 10:13.24 | S4nD3r | gpg: requesting key 2D230C5F from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net |
| 10:13.26 | S4nD3r | This ok !! |
| 10:13.30 | doubleukay | karsten, for example, that one |
| 10:13.32 | liable | acad: you have crossed the line of stupidity if you make jm_ swear at you :) |
| 10:13.34 | S4nD3r | But, now, what to do ?? |
| 10:13.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell S4nD3r -about 2006 key |
| 10:13.54 | RvGaTe | Guerin: if connect from a different linux console, i get the same thing, long wait time... |
| 10:13.55 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: follow those instructions. |
| 10:14.07 | S4nD3r | I DID |
| 10:14.08 | doubleukay | am connected from three hosts for that one, but not seeing SMTP banner on any |
| 10:14.09 | Guerin | RvGaTe: how long, and does it eventually connect? |
| 10:14.26 | Guerin | RvGaTe: and what does ssh -v stop at? |
| 10:14.33 | RvGaTe | debug1: Next authentication method: keyboard-interactive |
| 10:14.38 | acad | liable i did that long ago. debconf doesn't run because it's trying to use the wrong interface, etc. i'm not as stupid as it might seem at the moment |
| 10:14.39 | Paivakil | doubleukay: you may be on an IP in a spamblock list |
| 10:14.42 | kmkaplan | doubleukay: 220 mta214.mail.mud.yahoo.com ESMTP YSmtp service ready |
| 10:15.11 | doubleukay | hmm. |
| 10:15.14 | S4nD3r | the publick key was imported |
| 10:15.16 | kmkaplan | doubleukay: This is for 4.79.181.14 |
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| 10:15.21 | doubleukay | oh |
| 10:15.23 | S4nD3r | no ultimately trusted keys found... |
| 10:15.24 | Paivakil | doubleukay: may be for only some users of yahoo - dos th problem occur for all yahoo addresses? |
| 10:15.26 | doubleukay | can you try 64.156.215.6 ? |
| 10:15.39 | S4nD3r | I want to know, what should I do now? |
| 10:15.43 | jm_ | acad: I will refrain from commenting on that, but you have just learned a) how to specify a different front-end, and b) which front-ends are available |
| 10:15.56 | S4nD3r | I want to use may apt-get update, but this doesnt work cause this key |
| 10:15.57 | doubleukay | Paivakil, some of them send out fine, but the ones which timeout are straining my queue |
| 10:16.00 | kmkaplan | doubleukay: This one seems to timeout, yes. |
| 10:16.01 | acad | liable actually- i got it but i had to use the kde interface to change it to dialog unless i did it with the command line- but i didn't know what -ftype to switch to.... |
| 10:16.34 | S4nD3r | I need to edit some file ?? |
| 10:16.37 | doubleukay | i may hardcode the yahoo mx to route to for now |
| 10:16.43 | acad | jm_ thanks! :) |
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| 10:16.56 | Guerin | doubleukay: one bad box in a round-robin |
| 10:17.00 | Guerin | i've struck that before |
| 10:17.01 | kmkaplan | doubleukay: I connected to it. Still no banner. |
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| 10:17.39 | Paivakil | S4nD3r: apt-get update |
| 10:17.50 | doubleukay | thanks for the help guys |
| 10:17.55 | RvGaTe | Guerin, it stops here: debug1: Next authentication method: keyboard-interactive |
| 10:17.56 | karsten | doubleukay: FWIW, I'm talking SMTP to that server now, no problems. |
| 10:18.06 | doubleukay | karsten, alrighty. probably a transient problem there |
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| 10:18.14 | Guerin | RvGaTe: answer my other questions |
| 10:18.29 | S4nD3r | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org sarge-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
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| 10:18.37 | S4nD3r | I did apt-get update... Got this message |
| 10:18.44 | acad | ok- so i couldn't do dpkg-reconfigure debconf prior (when i tried without ssh -X) because it tried to use kde interface. :) i did do that though orginally. |
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| 10:18.49 | karsten | doubleukay: You're in/near Perth? |
| 10:18.50 | RvGaTe | Guerin: yes, it does connect, but it takes up to 20secs to prompt for the password |
| 10:18.52 | Guerin | S4nD3r: did you import the backports.org 2006 key? |
| 10:18.53 | dondelelcaro | !apt-key EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 10:18.53 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys EA8E8B2116BA136C ; gpg --export EA8E8B2116BA136C | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 10:18.55 | acad | thanks and bye! |
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| 10:19.00 | Guerin | RvGaTe: no problem. |
| 10:19.00 | jm_ | acad: that's why you can override it with -f ... |
| 10:19.01 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: see above. |
| 10:19.05 | Guerin | RvGaTe: not an error |
| 10:19.17 | S4nD3r | I did the "/topic" |
| 10:19.21 | doubleukay | karsten, am in melbourne |
| 10:19.43 | acad | jm_ i figured that and that is why i asked what the options were. i couldn't find them in the man page. if they are listed how do i find them? |
| 10:19.43 | RvGaTe | Guerin: how can it take so long... it worked fine before |
| 10:19.47 | Paivakil | S4nD3r: you need to go through the material in the link dpkg told you sometime back |
| 10:19.52 | S4nD3r | then, I run the command that dpkg asked |
| 10:19.54 | doubleukay | (melbourne, australia) |
| 10:19.55 | Guerin | RvGaTe: the real question is ... why do you care? |
| 10:20.16 | S4nD3r | theres no link there |
| 10:20.19 | cusco | hi |
| 10:20.24 | S4nD3r | only a big command line |
| 10:20.34 | nkuttler | acad: you were told, man 7 debconf |
| 10:20.38 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: use the huge commandline. |
| 10:20.41 | cusco | I keep seeing this line comming up on a active tty: |
| 10:20.54 | Paivakil | S4nD3r: say /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 10:20.55 | nkuttler | acad: man 7 debconf is in debconf-doc, which kind of sucks |
| 10:20.59 | cusco | i8253 count to high. resetting... |
| 10:21.08 | cusco | what does it mean? |
| 10:21.15 | acad | nkuttler hmm i am missing that. whats up with that |
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| 10:21.25 | RvGaTe | Guerin: becouse i use it often, and i find it iritating to wait those 20secs... i know the risks of getting a password attack when putting the time to 0, but 20 secs is just way to long |
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| 10:21.51 | RvGaTe | Guerin: thing is, i dont know how to change that, o if its even possible |
| 10:21.54 | nkuttler | acad: it's not installed on a default install i guess |
| 10:21.57 | alex___ | is there a solution to strean real content on debian > |
| 10:21.59 | alex___ | ? |
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| 10:22.19 | acad | nkuttler then that explains it |
| 10:22.33 | Guerin | RvGaTe: it'll be in sshd_config, if anywhere |
| 10:22.43 | jm_ | acad: heh, we went over this three times by now - man 7 debconf |
| 10:22.45 | Guerin | alex___: /msg dpkg marillat; install w32codecs |
| 10:22.48 | karsten | Guerin: That's a lot of driving. |
| 10:22.57 | nkuttler | jm_: not installed by default |
| 10:23.02 | Guerin | karsten: we'll be on pubtrans most of the time |
| 10:23.06 | alex___ | Guerin: thanks |
| 10:23.07 | nkuttler | jm_: still he should have said he gets an error |
| 10:23.08 | cusco | !real codecs alex___ |
| 10:23.13 | Guerin | karsten: carnets are a huge problem |
| 10:23.29 | karsten | Guerin: carnets? |
| 10:23.36 | jm_ | nkuttler: in that case he would probably not get the initial error either |
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| 10:23.47 | RvGaTe | Guerin: i checked that, and ssh_config, the man pages etc, nothing displays anything about that time differents, or anything time related except non-active/timeout stuff |
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| 10:24.43 | jm_ | nkuttler: ohh I see your point, I mever noticed it's not in debconf package |
| 10:24.46 | jm_ | never even |
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| 10:25.08 | karsten | Guerin: What's your budget for the trip? |
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| 10:26.22 | Guerin | karsten: a carnet is the documentation in 1,000,000 languages declaring that you're not going to be selling any of your expensive shit, and so shouldn't have to pay border tarriffs |
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| 10:26.38 | Guerin | karsten: looking like ~$10k for two people |
| 10:26.41 | cusco | I keep seeing this line comming up on a active tty: i8253 count to high. resetting.. |
| 10:26.44 | Guerin | karsten: cheeeeap |
| 10:26.47 | cusco | what does it mean? |
| 10:26.58 | dood | 4 |
| 10:26.58 | alex___ | Guerin: is there a official page for marillat ? |
| 10:27.01 | dood | whoops |
| 10:27.10 | karsten | Guerin: Not bad. Have a fucking blast. |
| 10:27.25 | karsten | !tell alex___ about marillat |
| 10:27.29 | karsten | alex___: .. that's it. |
| 10:27.42 | Guerin | karsten: heh. Hopefully not literally. |
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| 10:28.08 | alex___ | karsten: what is it ? I can't find anydoc |
| 10:28.14 | Guerin | !marillat |
| 10:28.14 | dpkg | methinks marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 10:28.14 | karsten | Guerin: Bring a spare leg in the event it is literal ;-) |
| 10:28.31 | Guerin | karsten: got hepatitis shots today |
| 10:28.39 | Guerin | they're not fun |
| 10:28.48 | karsten | Guerin: Hep is even less fun. |
| 10:28.56 | Guerin | karsten: you needn't tell me. |
| 10:28.59 | Swat2 | Anyone got any _GOOD_ Documentation on how to set up a https website with apache and mod_ssl, ive tried so many times and when i try to go to the website it just times out and gives me nothing. |
| 10:29.12 | Guerin | Swat2: install apache-ssl |
| 10:29.27 | Guerin | Swat2: somes with a functional httpd.conf for examples |
| 10:29.41 | S4nD3r | Where should I put the key generated??? |
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| 10:30.05 | karsten | doubleukay: Hrm. yahoo didn't like my bare linefeeds, I think it may want <cr><lf> for some reason, and I think that that breaks RFC. |
| 10:30.05 | Swat2 | Guerin: need to use it with an existing apache server (libapache2-mod-ssl |
| 10:30.29 | Guerin | Swat2: i don't know apache2. I thought it had ssl built in... |
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| 10:30.55 | Guerin | Swat2: #apache is probably the place to ask, but they'll likely refer you to httpd.apache.org |
| 10:31.03 | Swat2 | lol |
| 10:31.37 | S4nD3r | Theres no instructions enough about this keysecurity |
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| 10:32.17 | Guerin | S4nD3r: stop whining. |
| 10:32.46 | Guerin | S4nD3r: read the documentation for the program which is complaining and I'm sure it'll tell you where the key is supposed to live. |
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| 10:33.03 | firestorm | Howdy. Trying to stall something that does not compile due to: "-libpq" not found. Any ideas which postgres package(s) need installing? |
| 10:33.26 | Paivakil | firestorm: dpkg -S libpq |
| 10:34.15 | firestorm | Paivakil: doesn't -S work only for installed packages? I don't think I have a package installed that I need |
| 10:34.33 | XTL | indeed. I think apt-file fares better? |
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| 10:35.11 | tzafrir_laptop | search in http://packages.debian.org/ :-( |
| 10:35.17 | firestorm | i don't even have apt-file ! |
| 10:35.26 | XTL | packages.debian.org is down at the moment. |
| 10:35.37 | XTL | You can use apt-file, apt-cache search and findpkg (--> Google) as a temporary replacement. |
| 10:35.51 | karsten | Needing the Monty Python Dead Parrot sketch, I searched "dead parrot". |
| 10:35.59 | deadline | is it possible that http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerModify is out of date and totally incomplete? |
| 10:36.01 | firestorm | packages.debian.org is down at the moment...hmm |
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| 10:36.31 | deadline | firestorm: 64 bytes from debian-mirror.cs.umn.edu (128.101.80.133): icmp_seq=1 ttl=44 time=125 ms |
| 10:36.41 | deadline | its not down... |
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| 10:37.12 | firestorm | deadline: well technically it isn't...curl -skiv http://packages.debian.org and have a look at the page :) |
| 10:37.34 | nima | a ping doesnt proove that its up |
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| 10:39.19 | deadline | ok the website may be down |
| 10:39.24 | LionSGI | re |
| 10:39.25 | deadline | but the mirrors work |
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| 10:42.12 | LootBeer | can someone help me how do i add a user to my linux system? |
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| 10:42.17 | cusco | I keep seeing this line comming up on a active tty: i8253 count to high. resetting.. |
| 10:42.24 | cusco | what does it mean? |
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| 10:42.30 | blondie | "to high" or "too high"? |
| 10:42.34 | cusco | too |
| 10:42.35 | pitillo | LootBeer, adduser |
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| 10:43.19 | drkat | is there a graphical interface to configure X, my X had gotten messed up... |
| 10:43.24 | drkat | or least an auto config utility |
| 10:43.32 | blondie | don't be silly |
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| 10:43.44 | cusco | drkat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 10:43.47 | Paivakil | drkat: if x is messed up, how will a GUI configuration tool work? |
| 10:43.49 | cusco | our xserver-xfree |
| 10:43.54 | blondie | drkat: how could there be a graphical one? |
| 10:44.06 | dli | Paivakil, xorgcfg |
| 10:44.15 | drkat | wtf... |
| 10:44.17 | drkat | I said it got messed |
| 10:44.22 | drkat | didnt say it didnt work |
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| 10:44.33 | drkat | it needs to be reconfigured obviously |
| 10:44.42 | dli | drkat, close X, and run dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:44.44 | drkat | I was curious if debian had an auto-detect style tool or not |
| 10:44.53 | drkat | I guess I could do that |
| 10:44.58 | cusco | discover, discover1 |
| 10:45.47 | pitillo | dli, do you get accel? |
| 10:46.04 | dli | pitillo, no |
| 10:46.24 | pitillo | dli, what color depth are you using? |
| 10:46.37 | dli | pitillo, it's LCD, I guess 16 |
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| 10:47.04 | pitillo | dli, and do you have gl-dev packets installed? |
| 10:47.40 | pitillo | dli, with a 3dfx I need to get those packets to get accel.. |
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| 10:48.15 | dli | pitillo, I can run glxgears |
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| 10:48.53 | pitillo | dli, it means that gl-dev packets are installed? |
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| 10:49.25 | dli | pitillo, I think glx is supported, otherwise glxgears would exit at startup |
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| 10:51.15 | pitillo | dli, Im talking about xlibmesa-gl-dev packets (i dont remember if is this or another gl-dev) |
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| 10:53.08 | dli | pitillo, yes, but how a -dev is relevant here, I didn't compile anything |
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| 10:54.33 | pitillo | dli, with 3dfx voodo3 2000 and this packets I get accel, why I dont know. Im talking about my experience. You can try it if you wat or no =) |
| 10:54.51 | anymous | Hello, I'm using sarge and am up to date with security packages. In apache/error.log I see: Timeout: aborting command ``wget'' with signal 15. several times. This comes along with very weird GET lines in access.log. What kind of attack is that? Is it known? |
| 10:55.45 | bibe | anymous : do you have mambo/joomla/wordpress installed? |
| 10:55.57 | anymous | bibe: no, |
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| 10:56.31 | bibe | anymous : does the /GET request include some _REQUEST['something'] parameter? |
| 10:56.49 | anymous | bibe: yes it does, want me to paste an example? |
| 10:56.59 | bibe | anymous : I had some similar attacks on a web server just before Christmas |
| 10:57.28 | anymous | doesn't look successful, what worries me that actually a command (wget) was called. |
| 10:57.43 | c_k | anyone here tried to migrate email from one server to another when mail is stored in /home/user/Maildir |
| 10:59.19 | AciD | is it only me, or ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org sid/main doesn't provide authentification for packages as it used to do ? |
| 10:59.31 | dondelelcaro | AciD: /topic |
| 10:59.47 | kracho | xD |
| 10:59.51 | bibe | anymous : do you use mod_rewrite? I simply added a RewriteRule that blocks any attempt to pass _REQUEST variables as a GET parameter. Some common CMSes, such as joomla, trust all request variables, and PHP stores these variables in the $_REQUEST array |
| 11:00.00 | AciD | dondelelcaro > thx |
| 11:00.46 | fireba11 | bibe: nice idea |
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| 11:00.55 | yanishh | hello |
| 11:01.02 | bibe | fireba11 : thanks ;) |
| 11:01.03 | anymous | bibe, have to check for mod_rewrite. But still, why can they run wget? |
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| 11:01.40 | fireba11 | anymous: did they actually run it or just try to ? |
| 11:01.59 | anymous | from the logs it seems wget was running but then killed. |
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| 11:02.57 | bibe | anymous : because such CMSes run system commands using _REQUEST variables without properly validating the _REQUEST value. They actually run the command only if the apache2 log says 200 |
| 11:03.00 | fireba11 | anymous: what about chmodding it not to be executable and wait for another try if the emssage changes ? |
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| 11:03.43 | mopatop | hey - I was wondering if I could ask some advice: I'm setting up a virtual hosting company and I was planning to use courier-(imap|pop) for mail, with exim as my MTA, and have everything configured with MySQL - I was wondering though, is there any real reason to use exim if courier will also do delivery? |
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| 11:04.25 | anymous | ok thanks so far for the suggestions. I will dig deaper into it... |
| 11:04.35 | fireba11 | mopatop: exim4 is more flexible .. there's a reason it's default :-) but of course you can also use courier if you want |
| 11:05.22 | mopatop | fireba11: cheers. would you say exim4 is probably faster than courier? |
| 11:05.26 | c_k | mopatop, mind if I ask, how long did it take you to setup the whole lot with Mysql as I have had major issues with it all to be honest |
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| 11:05.35 | c_k | Im using exim and its really fast and robust |
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| 11:06.12 | fireba11 | mopatop: don't know of any recent speed tests .. |
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| 11:06.22 | fireba11 | mopatop: never had problems with that |
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| 11:06.38 | candyban | Hi guys, when I try to upgrade, I get an error about a public key not being available. Namely: 010908312D230C5F. Can anyone confirm this key is required for unstable and how I can add it |
| 11:06.44 | mopatop | c_k: I haven't begun yet, I do research before I start :) I have powered through webhosting and virtual proftpd users, configured with MySQL and a python system manager, with a frontend written in PHP, in about 4 days (9-5) |
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| 11:06.50 | aeg | mopatop: check if you plug-in Spammasin and virus scanner on courier |
| 11:06.59 | mopatop | fireba11: okay thanks, I'll keep that in mind :) |
| 11:07.00 | fireba11 | mopatop: i just hope they introduce maildir as default setting some time soon ;-) not that it's hart to change, but .. :-) |
| 11:07.05 | iTron | candyban: see the channel /topic |
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| 11:07.45 | c_k | nice one , mind if I pick your brains |
| 11:07.49 | mopatop | aeg: yeah I think problems might start occuring around then. I got the impression there's a really good reason why everyone talks about exim + courier-imap, as opposed to courier-mta + courier-imap, whcih makes more sense (on the face of it) |
| 11:07.58 | mopatop | fireba11: what do you mean by that? |
| 11:08.09 | bibe | anymous, fireba11 : if you want, you can 'a2enmod rewrite' , add 'RewriteEngine on\nRewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} ^.*_REQUEST.*$\nRewriteRule .* - [F]' to every virtualhost you are running, and restart apache2. |
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| 11:08.40 | fireba11 | mopatop: exim's default storage is mbox .. and maildir is much more scalable |
| 11:08.43 | candyban | iTron: Thanks ... but how can I get the key if I'm behind a firewall which does not allow to fetch the keys from the keyserver? |
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| 11:08.48 | fireba11 | bbl lunch break |
| 11:08.51 | aeg | mopatop: btw i just run exim4 / imap2 / qpopper .. maybe old habit |
| 11:08.55 | mopatop | fireba11: cheers - I'll remember to change that |
| 11:09.13 | snail | is anyone else having difficulty connecting to the bit torrent tracker http://bttracker.acc.umu.se:6969/announce ? I've been serving using that rtacker for a couple of weeks, but it's been dead a few days now |
| 11:09.54 | mopatop | aeg: thanks, I think I'll stick with courier + exim though, I have a guru which I call every now and again, he uses exim+courier in his setup so I wanna stick close |
| 11:09.58 | snail | candyban: there are port 80 interfaces to keyservers you can use to get the key manually now you have the keyid |
| 11:10.17 | mopatop | c_k: what are you having issues with? |
| 11:10.34 | iTron | candyban: *shrug* |
| 11:11.10 | aeg | mopatop: Nice for you ... also everyting in mysql ... pls document the setup and post is somewhere ! |
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| 11:13.24 | mopatop | aeg: I'll try document as much as I can (this is not an open source effort heh), I have to keep docs anyway as the whole idea is to slipstream this system into a disc which we can get dedicated hosting companies to install on new boxes, so I need to keep a track of what changes I make to config files :) |
| 11:14.58 | mopatop | aeg: I don't think my company will have a problem with me posting some docs on how I got everything off the ground though |
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| 11:15.27 | qweo | who can help:i download the SID DVD image (from mirror.switch.ch): |
| 11:15.33 | qweo | Length: 363,790,336 (unauthoritative) |
| 11:15.35 | aeg | mopatop: Funn, my next project will be (i hope) to bootpc dynamicly more hosts for mall etc on demand. |
| 11:16.13 | qweo | wget says what 6GB downloaded |
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| 11:16.41 | jm_ | qweo: you need fairly new version of wget to handle files > 2G, better use something else, i.e. bittorent or lftp |
| 11:16.44 | mopatop | aeg: sounds good, even got a couple of buzzwords in there as well :) hardware is so cheap, everything is about multiserver these days |
| 11:17.13 | qweo | jm_, thx |
| 11:17.35 | aeg | mopatop: but the idee behind Linux is that it is open .. if you post your story you will get comments and advice to inprove you product |
| 11:18.31 | aeg | btw: you don't have to give away all of it |
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| 11:20.28 | mopatop | aeg: yeah I know that, although not everyone in the company agrees and they're the ones that pay the wages :) I'll try write up my story as much as possible though |
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| 11:21.28 | Moeen | I configured a package with this parameter : ./configure --prefix=/usr/testlocal; make; now I want to do "make install" but like to install them in another folder like : /home/test/usr. how can I do it ? (I think I must use chroot, but couldn't do it with chroot) |
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| 11:22.39 | aeg | mopatop: yep .. in the mean time you have the job .. i'm only trying to make my hop to this ISp ... good luck |
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| 11:26.00 | mopatop | aeg: lol cheers, you too. now I will go back to working out how to make this work. would be a lot easier if I'd ever configured a mailserver in my life before. damn debian and its reasonable defaults :P later guys |
| 11:27.09 | dupont | gotta love the topic :) |
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| 11:32.36 | comsa | need help to config sound card using vibra pci card on debian |
| 11:33.13 | jm_ | vibra pci? |
| 11:33.26 | comsa | pci slot |
| 11:33.33 | jm_ | run lspci |
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| 11:34.02 | comsa | have run kadzu |
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| 11:34.26 | comsa | have run kudzu |
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| 11:35.18 | resiak | [Eew, kudzu.] |
| 11:35.23 | resiak | !alsa for dummies |
| 11:35.29 | resiak | !sound for dummies |
| 11:35.29 | jm_ | !alsa for morons |
| 11:35.30 | dpkg | well, alsa for morons is 1) remove all sound-related kernel modules 2) run alsaconf 3) disable all sound servers 4) hope, or echo -e "snd-your-module" >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 11:35.33 | resiak | !beer jm_ |
| 11:35.37 | comsa | just did lspci |
| 11:36.06 | aeg | he folks i still have a problem with locales setup: there is a diff between LC_ALL=POSIX; ls -l on woody and on sarge ... the sarge one is more compact i.o.w the sarge versien has less TAB's between the fields ... |
| 11:36.23 | diana | I just did a dist-upgrade(I use testing) and because openoffice 2.0 was added to testing now..it was very big for me...I am on a 100kbit connection...I have two testing computers with me...Can I take the packages from /var/cache/apt/archives/* and put them on my thumb drive, then dump them in /var/cache/apt/archives on the testing box that I didn't apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade on yet. |
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| 11:36.30 | ootput | don't forget to add audio as a group for the appropriate user |
| 11:36.32 | diana | Will that work or is there a better way? |
| 11:36.38 | cusco | is there a way to enlarge xterm's letters? |
| 11:36.41 | bizkit | aeg: this is a known issue |
| 11:36.47 | diana | cusco: man xterm |
| 11:36.49 | mopatop | diana: that should work but you may want to look at apt-proxy |
| 11:36.58 | ootput | diana: an nfs mount or apt-proxy |
| 11:37.08 | jm_ | diana: yes, but you'll need to run apt-get update or use apt-zip |
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| 11:37.11 | cusco | thanks a lot diana |
| 11:37.27 | azeem | diana: if you don't plan to do this often, it sounds like a good strategy |
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| 11:37.32 | ootput | cusco: you can set them via ~/.Xdefaults |
| 11:37.35 | mopatop | diana: apt-proxy cut serverfarm at work's instream bandwidth usage by 50% |
| 11:37.38 | diana | azeem: thanks |
| 11:37.57 | diana | yea, I usually have a 50mbit download...but I'm in Romania..and this shit sucks so badly. |
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| 11:38.00 | diana | heh |
| 11:38.03 | comsa | I have all the dummy books |
| 11:38.12 | mopatop | eheh |
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| 11:38.27 | aeg | bizkit: do you have links for me ? or do you know what locale to set on sarge to get the same result .. its actualy only for the in.ftpd |
| 11:38.36 | mopatop | diana: we all hate waiting no matter how fast your connection is :) if you have > 3 boxes, I recommend apt-proxy |
| 11:38.41 | S4nD3r | Im looking for a book to learn about network securities... I bought Hackers Exposed |
| 11:38.43 | diana | I'm using ro.debian.org but it's still slow as hell. |
| 11:38.57 | S4nD3r | Any other recommended? |
| 11:38.57 | mopatop | diana: try another mirror? |
| 11:39.18 | diana | mopatop: They're all slow...this isp is slow...everything is slow..it's my side, not the server side. |
| 11:39.24 | Juokelis | could I ask a question about ProFTPd on FC4 ? |
| 11:39.39 | resiak | Erm |
| 11:39.47 | mopatop | Juokelis: in the *debian* channel? |
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| 11:39.52 | resiak | *plonk* |
| 11:39.56 | diana | Juokelis: Ask in #fedora or ask on the Proftpd mailing list |
| 11:40.08 | Juokelis | ok, thnx |
| 11:40.10 | bigua | ww |
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| 11:40.13 | diana | Juokelis: proftpd also has a channel on freenode #proftpd |
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| 11:40.21 | wedge | diana: you are cruel.. in fedora they will only tell him to get a support-deal with redhat or that he's a cheap bastard |
| 11:40.22 | mopatop | diana: fair enough :) I find in the UK i do better with western-european mirrors than the UK ones |
| 11:40.24 | bizkit | aeg: imho the filelistings via ftp depend on the ftp client, some use an internal ls others use the ls of the local system. in most cases the locale just changes the date format |
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| 11:41.02 | diana | wedge: Everyone who uses fedora is stupid anyway...fedora is just a big beta test for their enterprise linux. |
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| 11:41.05 | resiak | mopatop: I do pretty well with one of the mirrors being on my LAN ;) |
| 11:41.05 | diana | !start a distro war |
| 11:41.06 | dpkg | Gentoo sux0rz! |
| 11:41.14 | mopatop | resiak: haha nice :P |
| 11:41.34 | wedge | diana: yepp. which is why I use Debian or Gentoo |
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| 11:42.05 | wedge | Gentoo would rule if I didnt have to put up with fixing my bloody configurations everytime I updated a program. They change config structure all the time. |
| 11:42.17 | mopatop | forgive me father for I have sinned. it has been too long since my last confession. 14 days ago I installed ubuntu-server on a rack and I still haven't replaced it with debian |
| 11:42.50 | bizkit | is ubuntu-server also based on sid? :-) |
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| 11:43.02 | Guerin | !htfswk bizkit |
| 11:43.03 | dpkg | bizkit: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 11:43.22 | bizkit | this should be a funny question :p |
| 11:43.30 | resiak | bizkit: Ubuntu server == Ubuntu. Ask #ubuntu for more details on how their peculiar(sp?) world works. |
| 11:43.31 | fireba11 | am back now :-) |
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| 11:43.36 | mopatop | bizkit: lol I think it's close to debian testing but ubuntu != debianb |
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| 11:43.41 | |RABBIT| | greetings |
| 11:43.49 | diana | !tell bizkit about ubuntu |
| 11:44.05 | aeg | bizkit: i found the filelist format depends on the locale of the ftpd (server) and now the funn part Micky$soft ftp client programs use an API that only can handle POSIX style .. it looks like they read it as TAB field seperated file |
| 11:44.05 | bizkit | ahhrg.. |
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| 11:45.05 | |RABBIT| | have xserver-xorg + kdm, took out -nolisten tcp out of /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc - sucker still does not listen (checked with netstat) |
| 11:45.08 | bizkit | aeg: sorry i'm not used to win ftp clients, the only one i used on windows was flashfxp |
| 11:45.10 | |RABBIT| | what am I missing? |
| 11:45.26 | jm_ | kdm will have that in its own files |
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| 11:46.26 | |RABBIT| | hm... this was dumb :) |
| 11:46.31 | |RABBIT| | thanks jm_ |
| 11:46.34 | mopatop | anyone else feel more at home with lftp than anything else? |
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| 11:46.49 | bizkit | mopatop: lftp is nice |
| 11:46.56 | aeg | bizkit: I'm only asking for the locale setting or a link to someone or group who is working on this. |
| 11:47.07 | aeg | but thx |
| 11:47.11 | mopatop | goddamnit I'm going to have to open a terminal on my irc desktop now if I want to get anything done |
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| 11:47.38 | bizkit | aeg: sorry, i've just read about such an issue some months ago, can't remeber where.. |
| 11:47.49 | aeg | lol |
| 11:47.59 | diana | bizkit: The best ftp client for me on linux is lftp or pftp(both cli) |
| 11:48.28 | diana | bizkit: flashfxp supports fxp(file exchange protocol) and (pret, a protocol extension for drftpd sites)... lftp and pftp both support these two things. |
| 11:48.29 | Meads | Can someone help me configure apache on my server? |
| 11:48.36 | diana | Meads: /join #apache |
| 11:48.40 | bizkit | diana: i like lftp for the sftp (ssh-ftp) and ftps (ftp-ssl) support, working with ssh-agent and stuff |
| 11:48.42 | diana | !tell Meads about apache |
| 11:48.42 | Meads | thankyou ;) |
| 11:48.44 | grzywacz | Am I the only one having problems with HUGE fonts on gdm greeter's login screen? |
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| 11:49.02 | mopatop | grzywacz: it's a GREETER! :) |
| 11:49.11 | grzywacz | lol |
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| 11:49.42 | kevin | I WILL HACK YOU ALL |
| 11:49.51 | Iksaif | kewl |
| 11:49.52 | kevin | I WILL HACK YOU ALL |
| 11:49.54 | grzywacz | ;-))) |
| 11:49.54 | kevin | I WILL HACK YOU ALL |
| 11:49.56 | kevin | I WILL HACK YOU ALL |
| 11:50.02 | bizkit | !ops |
| 11:50.02 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 11:50.02 | kevin | I WILL HACK YOU ALL |
| 11:50.03 | nkuttler | !ops kevin is annoying |
| 11:50.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: kevin is annoying |
| 11:50.03 | pitillo | xD |
| 11:50.04 | kevin | I WILL HACK YOU ALL |
| 11:50.12 | kevin | I WILL HACK YOU ALL |
| 11:50.16 | kevin | I WILL HACK YOU ALL |
| 11:50.18 | kevin | I WILL HACK YOU ALL |
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| 11:50.22 | kevin | I WILL HACK YOU ALL |
| 11:50.24 | kevin | I WILL HACK YOU ALL |
| 11:50.26 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@dynadsl-080-228-91-225.ewetel.net] by mentor |
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| 11:50.33 | fireba11 | fine then .. go ahead, shut up and try ^^ |
| 11:50.37 | grzywacz | ;] |
| 11:51.04 | resiak | mentor: Cheers. |
| 11:51.16 | nima | haha, what the hell was that |
| 11:51.19 | mentor | He'll start by flooding all the IRC channels you're in. That will...er...no, wait? |
| 11:51.25 | mopatop | I wish he'd hack our SUSE8 machine we inherited. damn thing just says "retry limit exceeded for root" every time we log in from the terminal |
| 11:51.45 | nima | that was the shittiest troll ever |
| 11:51.54 | mentor | mopatop: Can you su? |
| 11:51.58 | fireba11 | mopatop: uh .. no good ^^ |
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| 11:52.12 | fireba11 | mopatop: a OS should never lock out root ^^ |
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| 11:52.28 | fireba11 | mopatop: only ssh or directly at the box too ? |
| 11:52.29 | Inge | hi |
| 11:52.55 | Inge | can anyone reccomend any decent beginners debian books? |
| 11:53.05 | mentor | !dug |
| 11:53.05 | dpkg | hmm... debian doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 11:53.11 | mentor | :P |
| 11:53.17 | mentor | Inge: the Debian Users' Guide? |
| 11:53.28 | mopatop | mentor: fireba11: we can't log in at all, and suse hasn't configured the network card |
| 11:53.36 | bizkit | fireba11: mopatop: i guess directly, since using root directly via ssh should be avoided, just boot with init=/bin/bash |
| 11:53.42 | fireba11 | Inge: jsut get some basic linux knowlegde, and then take some old box and give it a try |
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| 11:53.44 | mentor | mopatop: Just boot with init=/bin/sh |
| 11:53.55 | mentor | mopatop: mount the filesystem, and fix pam |
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| 11:54.07 | mentor | mopatop: Google for the error message |
| 11:54.10 | Inge | haha |
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| 11:54.16 | kombi_ | got an amd64 box here, does it make sense to install something mysql 64bit? |
| 11:54.17 | Inge | tahts what ive done fireball :) |
| 11:54.35 | mentor | mopatop: Sounds like PAM anyway |
| 11:54.35 | fireba11 | Inge: no luck ? |
| 11:54.39 | mopatop | bizkit: mentor: cheers, but in the end we just installed debian on a dell poweredge 1850 and left it at that, luckilly the backup server had an entire database copy we could use |
| 11:54.50 | Meads | Someone got experience with Webmin/Virtualmin and apaache2 |
| 11:54.54 | Meads | im having trouble :( |
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| 11:54.59 | mopatop | mentor: interestingly the error message only returns a handful of russian sites |
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| 11:55.30 | fireba11 | Meads: you are aware that webmin will drop out of debian because it lacks a maintainer and got too much security holes? |
| 11:55.44 | bizkit | webmin is crap |
| 11:55.46 | Meads | Yes i am |
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| 11:55.51 | mentor | kombi_: It generally makes sense to install everything as 64bit due to the architecture speedups from x86 to x86-64 |
| 11:56.00 | mentor | kombi_: Assuming you have no stability issues |
| 11:56.05 | Inge | fireball, i have luck, but i've just thrown myself in the deepend here :) |
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| 11:56.12 | aeg | bizkit: it's not .. its great for the end users |
| 11:56.24 | kombi_ | mentor: thing is, there seems to be no package yet.. |
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| 11:56.48 | bizkit | aeg: a shell is also great for the end users |
| 11:57.02 | fireba11 | Inge: that's okay as long as you a) do it on some old system you don't need right now and b) you bother to read man pages and manuals bevore asking :-) |
| 11:57.10 | mopatop | vmware! |
| 11:57.16 | mopatop | hardware on tap |
| 11:58.07 | mentor | mopatop: bah. You must learn to use the Google |
| 11:58.20 | mentor | kombi_: In which case, there's probably a reason... |
| 11:58.22 | Inge | haha ok |
| 11:58.37 | aeg | Meads: You will have to setup your module t use the /etc/apache2/apache2.conf file .. but pls google for it .... any how .. it's easyer to vi the files |
| 11:59.59 | kombi_ | mentor: true.. |
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| 12:00.26 | aeg | Meads: the file for the virtual servers are in sites-avalible and you will have to make a linl from sistes-enabled to the available dir |
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| 12:00.35 | aeg | linl - link |
| 12:00.42 | Meads | my module in webmin is using /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
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| 12:01.04 | resiak | !webmin |
| 12:01.04 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 12:01.07 | Meads | the problem is creating hosting accxouns in vitualmin |
| 12:01.38 | Meads | it creates them and when i log in through ftp and upload my test index.html it just shows the default-apache2 page |
| 12:02.09 | bizkit | Meads: reload apache2? |
| 12:02.15 | Meads | done that |
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| 12:02.37 | Meads | the directory is set to /home/scousemp4s |
| 12:02.49 | bizkit | whatever, can't help you with webmin. see what dpkg said, it's all you should know about |
| 12:02.56 | mopatop | mentor: I work for an SEO company :) |
| 12:03.05 | Meads | but when i check processes pro-ftpd is in /home/scousemp4s/homes/scouse |
| 12:03.08 | resiak | mopatop: Please kill yourself right now. |
| 12:03.18 | Meads | so i changed apache conf to point to that dir |
| 12:03.26 | fireba11 | resiak: what's SEO ? |
| 12:03.26 | Meads | and it still gives me the default apache page |
| 12:03.29 | mopatop | resiak: a *good* seo company :) |
| 12:03.57 | resiak | !seo |
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| 12:04.48 | resiak | !seo is Search Engine Optimisation. We like to burn SEO companies, yes we do, precioussss |
| 12:04.48 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
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| 12:04.59 | fireba11 | haha |
| 12:05.12 | diana | !seo |
| 12:05.13 | dpkg | it has been said that seo is Search engine optimization (SEO) is a set of methodologies aimed at improving the visibility of a website in search engine listings. The term also refers to an industry of consultants that carry out optimization projects on behalf of client sites. |
| 12:05.14 | bizkit | Meads: really, go to /etc/apache2, read the README, create a virtual site in sites-available, copy it over for as many users you need, create their homes, use sed to replace settings in their matching sites-available/sitename, use a2ensite <sitename> to enable, invoke-rc.d apache2 reload. that's it |
| 12:05.46 | resiak | BAD diana! |
| 12:05.53 | diana | lol |
| 12:05.55 | resiak | !seo is also We like to burn SEO companies, yes we do, precioussss. |
| 12:05.55 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 12:06.02 | resiak | There. Everyone's happy. |
| 12:06.04 | diana | ok you win |
| 12:06.25 | mopatop | lol resiak what do you have against SEO? |
| 12:06.42 | fireba11 | okay ..so they are the gus that are responsible for the dialer entries on the first 10 result pages on "teenie topics" in google ^^ |
| 12:06.49 | resiak | mopatop: Blog spam, wiki spam, and yes, I know that that's not what all SEOs do. |
| 12:07.54 | bizkit | resiak: hehe |
| 12:08.19 | fireba11 | resiak: in german google if you search for keywords like handy or tattoo the first 10 result pages ONLY got websites that are trying to ripp you off |
| 12:08.30 | mopatop | resiak: yeah, we used to do blog spam but honestly there's no point in it any more. and blog spam that people see is blog spam done badly. a real black hat SEO company spams blogs that have been out of use for a year or so. we're white-hat all the way now |
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| 12:09.06 | fireba11 | not that kinda reminds me f what microsoft says every year |
| 12:09.12 | resiak | fireba11: In * Google, if you type "music" you get companies that try to rip you off, like MTV ;-) |
| 12:09.37 | diana | What does MTV have to do with music? |
| 12:09.47 | resiak | diana: And you see my point. |
| 12:09.49 | diana | Isn't that the tv network that is up to Real World 65? |
| 12:10.06 | fireba11 | resiak: ^^ i was talking about pages that try to get you into dialing a number at about 2$/minute or more for info avaiable to the public anyway |
| 12:10.50 | bizkit | however i like the porn dialers, some got nice animations on them :-P |
| 12:10.59 | resiak | fireba11: Sure, and I was _joking_ |
| 12:11.49 | fireba11 | resiak: anyway .. you can't wathc TV music channels anymore becuause 90% of their advertising (and they got a lot) is for handy ringtones ... ARGH |
| 12:12.18 | fireba11 | resiak: er ..cellphone .. 11 |
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| 12:13.19 | resiak | fireba11: I'm British, so you mean "mobile" anyway ;-) (but sure, I know what a handy is) |
| 12:13.49 | fireba11 | resiak: handy is a stupid german name that sounds english but is not .. ^^ |
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| 12:14.57 | resiak | fireba11: It works. Anyway, I think this is a bit offtopic :) |
| 12:15.09 | fireba11 | resiak: true |
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| 12:16.14 | ootput | do any of you guys view pdfs with something other than xpdf? |
| 12:16.28 | dino4k | evince |
| 12:16.49 | nkuttler | ootput: depends. acroread sometimes, mostly xpdf |
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| 12:17.51 | ootput | nkuttler: great |
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| 12:18.07 | resiak | vim |
| 12:18.26 | ootput | how does that render? |
| 12:18.29 | nkuttler | resiak: viewing, not editing |
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| 12:18.43 | mopatop | ootput: I use acroread mostly, depends on the pdf |
| 12:18.45 | resiak | nkuttler: vim |
| 12:18.47 | nkuttler | ootput: try ;) |
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| 12:19.13 | ootput | i worked extensively with latex and lyx output |
| 12:19.20 | mopatop | resiak: are you serious? with vim all I see is mess :P |
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| 12:19.30 | resiak | mopatop: Bizarrely, no, I'm not serious... |
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| 12:19.39 | mopatop | resiak: eheh |
| 12:19.50 | fireba11 | !smite resiak |
| 12:19.51 | mopatop | resiak: I wondered if vim has some less-like handler for pdfs |
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| 12:20.27 | startxwhite | sarge is great but has anyone here experimented with floppy 2.6 kernel based distros that INCLUDE wireless drivers. do they exist? |
| 12:20.53 | resiak | startxwhite: I think you may be asking a lot. Can you really not use a livecd? |
| 12:21.07 | dondelelcaro | startxwhite: it'll be a bunch of floppies, because getting wireless-tools down to that size is a chore. |
| 12:21.15 | dondelelcaro | startxwhite: hell, most firmwares are bitter than a floppy. |
| 12:22.02 | startxwhite | well, blueflops is a great 2.6 kernel 2xfloppy distro but does not include wifi drivers |
| 12:22.14 | ootput | then it's not _that_ great ;) |
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| 12:23.13 | fireba11 | now why would i want a two floppy distro ? |
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| 12:24.10 | mopatop | I'm not sure we have any floppy drives here |
| 12:24.47 | Sh4dowcat | I have floppy drives |
| 12:24.50 | Sh4dowcat | but I never use them |
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| 12:24.58 | startxwhite | mopatop: a lot of debian users are running on old pentiums (75-200 Mhz) |
| 12:25.40 | fireba11 | startxwhite: your point is ? |
| 12:25.45 | blondie | floppy drives are very useful |
| 12:25.47 | Sh4dowcat | and debian base still doesn't fit on a usb stick? :P |
| 12:25.52 | Sh4dowcat | pfft |
| 12:25.56 | mopatop | startxwhite: fair enough, I used to do that - although thaty machine didn't have a floppy either |
| 12:26.24 | dondelelcaro | Sh4dowcat: sure it does |
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| 12:26.34 | Sh4dowcat | dondelelcaro: not a 128mb stick |
| 12:26.35 | Sh4dowcat | :P |
| 12:26.38 | dondelelcaro | Sh4dowcat: sure it does. |
| 12:26.54 | tarzeau | why is afs the configuration of /etc/default/afs.conf only readable for root? |
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| 12:26.59 | dondelelcaro | cdebootstrap -f minimal is your friend. |
| 12:27.02 | fireba11 | Sh4dowcat: there is a 54 MB cd-image for business-size CDs ... |
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| 12:27.18 | tyler_ | may i know why i CANNOT cut n paste with my mouse in my newly installed slack!!??? |
| 12:27.32 | Sh4dowcat | tyler_: how is that our problem? |
| 12:27.32 | fireba11 | tyler_: your what ? |
| 12:27.34 | dondelelcaro | tyler_: ask #slackware |
| 12:27.35 | Sh4dowcat | this is debian |
| 12:27.49 | tpr | i need to copy all files from a directory to a another dir WITHOUT overwriting any files that might be named the same..as root I assume all gets overwritten..? |
| 12:27.52 | startxwhite | i believe the floppy/floppies based distro i am after does NOT exist! |
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| 12:28.23 | tarzeau | tpr: as user too, if the user has write permission to the file |
| 12:28.34 | tarzeau | tpr: also as root, it might not, if he doesn't have write permission |
| 12:28.49 | yaboo | does debian installer cd's support serial ata hdd and cdroms |
| 12:28.49 | tarzeau | tpr: and even if he has, if it's a ro filesystem or ro mounted fs, then not either |
| 12:28.49 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 12:29.01 | tarzeau | yaboo: maybe |
| 12:29.02 | Shadowcat | cp overwrite behaviour is controlled by a switch |
| 12:29.11 | Shadowcat | can't remember which one off hand though |
| 12:29.12 | Shadowcat | man cp |
| 12:29.13 | tarzeau | yaboo: you can exchange the debian kernel and the d-i will work fine then |
| 12:29.37 | yaboo | tarzeau, got recently a fujitsu P7120 laptop which is s-ata |
| 12:29.45 | Guerin | Shadowcat: -i |
| 12:29.48 | tarzeau | yaboo: well, still i can't say more than maybe |
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| 12:29.58 | Shadowcat | Guerin: tell that to tpr, not to me :P |
| 12:29.59 | tpr | tarzeau: yeah I just tested and it does, i checked man cp but there was no option for NOT rewrite anything, any nifty way of doing this comes to mind then bsides starting to change permissions? |
| 12:29.59 | tarzeau | yaboo: it's easy if it works, nice luck, otherwise make your own kernel |
| 12:30.13 | tarzeau | tpr:check if the file is there already, help test |
| 12:30.16 | yaboo | tarzeau, ok |
| 12:30.37 | Shadowcat | they still haven't fixed the kernel? |
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| 12:32.16 | tpr | tarzeau: mm a bit complicated but i guess i could figure it out :) |
| 12:33.10 | jm_ | yaboo: it supports SATA just fine, not sure about CD-ROM-s, since libata didn't support them lately, maybe 2.6.15 does (like it supports SMART via ATAPI passthrough) |
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| 12:34.10 | tarzeau | tpr: good luck. the thing is WHY do you want to do that. besides mc can do it! |
| 12:34.11 | jm_ | SATA page says it supports ATAPI |
| 12:34.15 | tpr | tarzeau: hmm couldnt I use -i the interactive mode, a few 'n's should do the trick ? :) |
| 12:34.23 | tarzeau | tpr: why not just use mc |
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| 12:34.26 | tarzeau | mc is fantastic software |
| 12:34.27 | ootput | do any of you prefer bittornado over bittorrent or vice versa? |
| 12:34.30 | tpr | tarzeau: sounds like an idea :) |
| 12:34.40 | tarzeau | mc++ |
| 12:34.43 | GNULinux | Which memory in top should i check for correct value Virt or RES ? |
| 12:34.46 | diana | What is a good program to monitor everything a particular user is doing? |
| 12:34.57 | tarzeau | diana: why? what exactly? |
| 12:34.58 | tpr | ootput: id prefer any torrent networks to die taking up my bandwith on this network! :) |
| 12:35.09 | diana | tarzeau: Just commands basically...to stalk them. |
| 12:35.09 | Guerin | ootput: i prefer rtorrent for not being pyton |
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| 12:35.29 | tyler_ | must i install/sompile tarballs as root always? |
| 12:35.39 | tarzeau | diana: check their shell history file |
| 12:35.44 | diana | tyler_: if you want them to run globally yes. |
| 12:35.52 | diana | tyler_: You can install and compile things as a limited user fine. |
| 12:35.59 | tyler_ | diana, whats running globally? |
| 12:36.07 | diana | ./compile --prefix=~/programname |
| 12:36.10 | diana | er |
| 12:36.14 | tarzeau | tyler_: for all users.. |
| 12:36.14 | diana | ./configure --prefix=~/programname |
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| 12:37.01 | Guerin | you never need to compile as root |
| 12:37.09 | Guerin | you only need to install as root |
| 12:37.14 | tyler_ | tarzeau, so compiling as root.. means i can use it as a user? |
| 12:37.24 | tarzeau | tyler_: no it means, bad idea |
| 12:37.27 | tyler_ | if i compiled as user... i cannot use as root? |
| 12:37.33 | tarzeau | tyler_: neither |
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| 12:37.38 | diana | tyler_: compiling as root means that "everyone" should be able to run that program. |
| 12:37.38 | tarzeau | tyler_: if the user can do sudo make install |
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| 12:37.46 | GNULinux | which memory do i check in top, to get the memory value?? |
| 12:37.55 | tarzeau | diana: no compiling as root means the person needs be shot and taken away the root access |
| 12:37.56 | diana | tyler_: If you compile and install it as non-root then only that user can run it. |
| 12:38.02 | S4nD3r | hey |
| 12:38.09 | tarzeau | GNULinux: what do you want to get exactly? |
| 12:38.09 | S4nD3r | How do I install all drivers in my cups??? |
| 12:38.11 | GNULinux | virt or res? |
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| 12:38.17 | tyler_ | Guerin, u mean u can always compile as user.. but install as root? |
| 12:38.20 | hynek | Could someone hint me where I find "/etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template"? Unfortunately mine is gone and exim4-conf doesn't reinstall it. :( |
| 12:38.21 | GNULinux | tarzeau: i need to know how much memory it is using |
| 12:38.22 | tarzeau | diana: no that's not true |
| 12:38.24 | Guerin | tyler_: correct. |
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| 12:38.35 | tarzeau | diana: it's about how you install it and what permissions you give the binary |
| 12:38.42 | Guerin | and where you install it |
| 12:38.50 | GNULinux | tarzeau: virt shows 200mb REs shows 20mb only |
| 12:38.54 | tarzeau | and what permission you give the installation |
| 12:39.17 | tarzeau | GNULinux: nice, but what do you want to find out, really? |
| 12:39.17 | Zugschlus | hynek: it's a dpkg-conffile, its removal is honored by dpkg |
| 12:39.37 | GNULinux | tarzeau: i want to know how much memory does the process use....? |
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| 12:39.48 | hynek | Zugschlus: meaning? |
| 12:39.49 | tarzeau | GNULinux: and the process is called what? |
| 12:39.49 | S4nD3r | apt-get install foomatic-db gs-esp cupsomatic-ppd cupsys-bsd |
| 12:40.01 | GNULinux | tarzeau: its a gaming server |
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| 12:40.23 | Zugschlus | hynek: with exim4, you might want to checkout update-exim4.conf.template |
| 12:40.27 | GNULinux | tarzeau: my disk is allready swaping, becouse i think this uses 200mb right? |
| 12:40.47 | tarzeau | GNULinux: how much memory do you have? |
| 12:40.52 | tarzeau | GNULinux: check free -m |
| 12:40.55 | Zugschlus | hynek: but that's only available for the exim4 packages. If you zap another package's dpkg-conffile, you'll need to purge and reinstall the package |
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| 12:41.07 | usn | hi there |
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| 12:41.40 | GNULinux | tarzeau: i have 256mb of memory, and it went -170mb in swap |
| 12:41.51 | hynek | Zugschlus: Uhm I removed and reinstalled exim4 several times now :( |
| 12:41.52 | FlopsyPete | it seems you can't use the debian installer menus to create software raid, am I right? using Erase entire disk -> multi user workstation -> software RAID doesn't seem to work. is it only possible to do this by manually creating the partitions and marking them as for RAID, _then_ choosing 'software RAID' from within d-i? |
| 12:42.05 | tarzeau | GNULinux: it's probably easier to just insert another 256 mb memory in? |
| 12:42.18 | TBBle | FlopsyPete: That _is_ using the d-i menus for creating software raid. |
| 12:42.32 | TBBle | FlopsyPete: Oh, wait. I see what you mean. |
| 12:42.43 | hynek | Zugschlus: I'm kindof locked because it just cries that he can't configure exim4-config with many subsequent errors :() |
| 12:42.51 | TBBle | FlopsyPete: Yeah, I doubt any of the default profiles do software raid by default. |
| 12:42.56 | Zugschlus | hynek: remove != purge |
| 12:43.03 | Zugschlus | hynek: did you try update-exim4.conf.template? |
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| 12:43.09 | Zugschlus | (read the manpage before you do that) |
| 12:43.12 | GNULinux | tarzeau: i think this process needs to be killed...then it will free the memory |
| 12:43.22 | blondie | fgs |
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| 12:43.30 | tarzeau | GNULinux: you can try, yes |
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| 12:43.40 | FlopsyPete | TBBle: shame you can't choose a default profile, then have the software RAID menu option mark them as for RAID. shame also the d-i guide doesn't make this clear |
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| 12:43.59 | GNULinux | tarzeau: similar problem - 2831 mysql 16 0 117m 4548 |
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| 12:44.11 | GNULinux | tarzeau: 117 MB Virtual |
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| 12:44.23 | GNULinux | tarzeau: and only 4mb res |
| 12:44.23 | fireba11 | FlopsyPete: still its really easy to set up |
| 12:44.34 | Arnald | Is anyone else having problems with signed Packages files? |
| 12:44.37 | Arnald | W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
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| 12:44.45 | azeem | Arnald: /topic |
| 12:44.47 | fireba11 | Arnald: read topic |
| 12:44.54 | Arnald | ouch! |
| 12:45.09 | Arnald | honest, I did (just not very well!) |
| 12:45.32 | FlopsyPete | fireball: yeah, I can see that, just not as easy as I'd expected. I'm just trying to follow the d-i guide on RAID and this bit is confusing if you're trying to do it thru menus |
| 12:46.00 | fireba11 | FlopsyPete: not at all .. took me 5 minutes to figure it out the first time |
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| 12:47.10 | hynek | Zugschlus: I'm trying to understand what you meant with it. :) My problem is that my whole /etc/exim4 is gone due to year-liong usage of postfix. ;) |
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| 12:47.23 | fireba11 | FlopsyPete: always room for improvement though ... for example have the installer write boot loader to all HDs in a raid .. ^^ |
| 12:47.26 | henk | I've set up pptpd (poptop) with mppe and connecting to it fom a windows laptop works ok. (log in, the ip appears ok on the outside etc). However MSN (this will probably get some flaming started) refuses to connect over the vpn. My users ofcourse are going to want to use msn etc so i need to get it to work. Any ideas on what is going wrong ? |
| 12:47.31 | Arnald | fireba11: azeem: now fixed - thanks! |
| 12:47.44 | FlopsyPete | fireball: what I'm saying is you have to know to manually partition, because when you come to choose 'software RAID' it expects you to have done this manual step. yet you're not told this in the installer menu at that point |
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| 12:48.12 | fireba11 | FlopsyPete: true .. write a patch for the installer :-) |
| 12:49.16 | fireba11 | FlopsyPete: or file a but :-) |
| 12:49.19 | fireba11 | bug |
| 12:49.25 | FlopsyPete | fireball: the d-i guide says you may have trouble with including / in your array, as its a relatively new feature. perhaps thats why there isn't an option for writing the boot loader in RAID? a patch? I'll start with a bug report and see what people think |
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| 12:50.40 | GNULinux | tarzeau: where is explained the difference between virtual memory and res memory? |
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| 12:53.24 | TBBle | fireba11: Installer writing MBRs for your RAID array is good idea, but it'd have to somehow know if you can boot an IDE slave or not, and write the MBR depending on whether you have to physcally swap the cable to boot. |
| 12:54.43 | fireba11 | TBBle: all bioses from the last 5 years support booting off any HD ... so it could ask you if you want to write boot loader to secondary HDs too for example |
| 12:54.49 | Zugschlus | hynek: please post your dpkg --list exim4* to a paste service |
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| 12:58.59 | tarzeau | GNULinux: no idea, check top manual |
| 12:59.05 | hynek | Zugschlus: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1469 |
| 12:59.26 | hynek | Zugschlus: All I want is a pristine installation of exim4. :( |
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| 13:03.01 | TBBle | fireba11:fdf |
| 13:03.10 | TBBle | Hmm. |
| 13:03.38 | Zugschlus | hynek: are you faint of the heart? |
| 13:03.57 | TBBle | fireba11: Well, the last machine who's RAID1 died on me did indeed refuse to boot the primary slave. And so when I moved it to master, grub happily loaded, then tried to load the kernel off the nonexistant primary slave. |
| 13:04.21 | wedge | TBBle: you were using softwareraid? |
| 13:04.30 | TBBle | Yeah. |
| 13:04.55 | wedge | mmh. you might have to load up your computer with a livecd |
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| 13:05.06 | wedge | edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to properly point to correct drive |
| 13:05.26 | TBBle | I just changed where it loaded the kernel from at the grub prompt ("e" and then futz with disk ids) |
| 13:05.35 | wedge | ok. |
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| 13:05.41 | TBBle | It was probably also symptomatic of me boning the grub setup on the slave... I've since found a guide that tells me how to do it right. ^_^ |
| 13:05.43 | hynek | Zugschlus: uhm? |
| 13:05.52 | wedge | ah good. |
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| 13:05.57 | wedge | Well, I prefere hardwareraid |
| 13:06.07 | TBBle | Mind you, no failure yet, so I haven't proved it's right. |
| 13:06.14 | wedge | setting up raid containers where the actual disks failing wont affect the containeraddress |
| 13:06.32 | wedge | I got a container with a RAID5 which shows as /dev/sda for linux |
| 13:06.39 | wedge | if one disk falls off it wont matter. |
| 13:06.42 | TBBle | Ah, if I wasn't building systems out of spare parts... |
| 13:06.45 | wedge | :) |
| 13:06.49 | TBBle | Anyway, gotta run. Fooding time. |
| 13:06.57 | wedge | Im lucky then. PowerEdge 1650 and a PowerEdge 1850 |
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| 13:07.26 | TBBle | I scored a single IBM eserver of some kind. And the Sarge d-i netinst 2.6 kernel couldn't see its IDE. >_< |
| 13:07.37 | wedge | weird |
| 13:07.47 | TBBle | 2.4 => 2.6 upgrade was hell, /dev/hda => /dev/sda underneath a raid array. |
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| 13:09.14 | FlopsyPete | I've worked out how to do it. after guided partitioning, you can individually select each partition and change 'ext3' to 'physical volume for RAID'. it would be easie if the d-i guide said to do this rather than talking of manuallt setting it using partman (what does the 'average' user know of partman when they're using a menu based installer?) |
| 13:09.25 | deadline | i need to have a debian sarge installer with 2.6.14 kernel - can somebody suggest me a quick method to fix a custom cd? |
| 13:09.59 | wedge | use latest nightly testing build and cross your thumbs that it aint borked? |
| 13:10.21 | jm_ | deadline: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
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| 13:10.33 | kombi | need kernel-source for 2.6.12-1-amd64 to compile module but not in repository, what should one do |
| 13:10.43 | asg | deadline: use bootcd to create a live-cd from a chroot + custom kernel. Then, use bootcd2disk to move the data to a disk on the server. |
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| 13:11.45 | chealer | kombi: you really need the source? not the headers? |
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| 13:12.08 | kombi | chealer: need the source tree |
| 13:12.31 | chealer | kombi: then get the linux source package |
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| 13:13.26 | kneet | Looking at upgrading an old PIII (running sarge) - quite a few good deals on both AMD and Intel 64 bit processors - but I've never run other than 32 - anything I need to be beware of? |
| 13:13.42 | kombi | chealer: you mean get 2.6.12 and just untar in /usr/src? |
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| 13:14.10 | jm_ | kneet: do you really need to run 64bit version of Linux? |
| 13:14.14 | chealer | kombi: the package contains a .tar.fz |
| 13:14.16 | chealer | gz |
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| 13:14.49 | kneet | jm_, well - that's part of the question - I need to find out more about what it actually changes :) When I look in the webshops my company has an account with - nearly _all_ the CPUs are 64. |
| 13:15.04 | chealer | kneet: yes, amd64 is not yet an unofficial Debian arch. you may not get the performance you expect |
| 13:15.06 | jm_ | kneet: sure, but they run x86 code just fine |
| 13:15.14 | jm_ | that is, 32bit stuff |
| 13:15.22 | chealer | kneet: (if you use i2386) |
| 13:15.26 | kneet | jm_, Ah - now - that sounds OK |
| 13:16.01 | kneet | Given that it's an apache2/exim4/mysql box - is there _any_ benefit to running other than 32? |
| 13:16.09 | jm_ | most likely not |
| 13:16.10 | Zugschlus | hynek: one possible way out is to dpkg --force-depends --purge all installed exim4 packages and then to re-aptitude them in. |
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| 13:16.16 | kneet | jm_, OK - thanks :) |
| 13:16.24 | Zugschlus | hynek: but again, that's not for the faint of the heard, and I haven't done something like that in a long time |
| 13:16.48 | jm_ | I just got new Athlon64 box at work, but I'll continue using my existing installtion on it, much better, especially for a desktop |
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| 13:17.16 | ootput | windows ey? |
| 13:17.17 | kneet | jm_, this is a web facing box (personal one - not got the funds/need for full server hardware). |
| 13:17.19 | Konky | (2.4 kernel) when i put in a usb stick then the usb driver will create a virtual scsi device. How can i find WHAT device was created when i know the device number and the bus etc (the info hotplug gets per environment) |
| 13:17.37 | jm_ | kneet: such a CPU is almost an overkill for it :) |
| 13:17.46 | Konky | when i put in 5 different sticks i got sda,sdb,sdc,sde,sdf |
| 13:17.54 | Konky | how to know what device was used ? |
| 13:18.27 | ootput | Konky: dmesg and look for device details |
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| 13:18.48 | deadline | i need driver support for the 3ware 9550SX raid controller. is there a kernel version which can fix my problem or do i have to install 3rd party drivers? |
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| 13:19.36 | kneet | jm_, probably true - but I like the idea of future proofing - it started as a 200Mhz box - then 500 - then 700 - looking at going to 2G or so - hopefully won't have to worry about it for years :) |
| 13:19.43 | jm_ | libata supports 3ware 9550SX |
| 13:19.56 | jm_ | kneet: indeed |
| 13:20.00 | Konky | ootput : but that#s nothing for an automated process |
| 13:20.23 | jm_ | Konky: you can use udev for that |
| 13:20.35 | Konky | udev ? |
| 13:20.47 | Konky | i use devfs atm |
| 13:20.59 | ootput | Konky: an automated process for me would be with 2.6 and udev via udev/rules.d - where i specify symlinks for /dev/sd* depending on info such as bus and model |
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| 13:22.12 | kneet | Konky, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/126 might help |
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| 13:22.51 | Konky | 2.6 is impossible |
| 13:22.53 | ootput | Konky: where the rules look similar to the following: http://metawire.org/~ootput/confs/etc/external-usb.rules |
| 13:22.56 | Konky | i got thousends of computers in the field |
| 13:22.58 | Konky | with 2.4 |
| 13:23.20 | jm_ | then find out if devfs can do the same |
| 13:23.44 | kneet | udev is supposed to be the 2.6 replacement for devfs as far as I can tell - so devfs should be able to do it |
| 13:24.16 | ootput | unless udev includes improved functionality, that is :) |
| 13:24.19 | Konky | i remember there was some cryptic path i once had ;( |
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| 13:24.26 | Konky | but i can not find what i did to get it |
| 13:24.56 | kombi | installing this nvidia nic module, the dialog asks for "kernel output path", what is meant by that? |
| 13:25.02 | kneet | ootput, that's almost a religious question on here - I get the feeling people either _love_ udev or _hate_ it :) |
| 13:25.46 | ootput | have faith :) |
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| 13:26.05 | kneet | Oh - I use it - works well for me - but I know people that curse if you even mention it :) |
| 13:26.25 | Konky | i wish there was some useable documentation |
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| 13:26.43 | Konky | but the linux kernel is big hole, stuffed with code and no text |
| 13:27.18 | djw | is it normal that I view an mbox file using less, then whilst I PageUp through it I get a print out of what I see in my terminal? |
| 13:27.25 | kombi | I guess "kernel-output-path" is where the modules go, where do those go? |
| 13:27.32 | wam | In Sarge, I have in my gnome "Applications" and "Actions". I'm missing "System" as in my SID-Installation. How can I get a System-Folder? |
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| 13:27.43 | jm_ | kombi: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/... |
| 13:27.49 | ootput | Konky: http://www.apcupsd.com/3.10.x-manual/USB_Configuration.html |
| 13:27.54 | djw | oh, and the mbox file has virus attachments in it, so I'm guessing it's the poorly coded attachment types |
| 13:27.58 | ootput | Konky: not that i've read it or anything ;) |
| 13:28.13 | jm_ | djw: why are you watching it with less? |
| 13:28.13 | deadline | well, nobody can provide me an answer??? |
| 13:28.22 | ootput | Konky: the linux kernel contains some nice bits of documentation :D |
| 13:28.24 | djw | jm_: yes |
| 13:28.26 | jm_ | we did, but you failed to read your screen |
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| 13:28.43 | jm_ | djw: I asked "why are you", not "are you" |
| 13:28.51 | djw | jm_: sorry, I misread you |
| 13:29.19 | djw | jm_: I wanted to see what was in a mbox file |
| 13:29.22 | ootput | http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/wordcount/ :D |
| 13:29.30 | jm_ | djw: use a MUA, i.e. mutt -f mboxfile |
| 13:29.41 | Konky | ootput ^^ year spread like stones in a sea. find the gold nugget ^^ |
| 13:29.51 | djw | jm_: yeah, I know that's the answer here, but surely it still shouldn't happen |
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| 13:29.59 | Konky | this document looks like a doc of the usb driver (which is nice and gives a lot info) |
| 13:30.07 | Konky | but not about the flash scsi driver |
| 13:30.08 | jm_ | djw: it depends, it can screw up your terminal if you see some binary shit |
| 13:30.13 | Konky | which is badly implemented in 2.4 imho |
| 13:30.36 | ootput | Konky: ah, it's a UPS doc, sorry :) |
| 13:30.52 | djw | jm_: yeah, just odd that it manages to print stuff out, rather than just screw up my terminal |
| 13:31.05 | jm_ | djw: print out - on you rprinter or what? |
| 13:31.47 | djw | jm_: one of those inkjet things which makes lots of noise and produces print on paper, rather than just print out on the screen |
| 13:31.49 | ootput | Konky: one tends to get a lot of freebsd hits when googling for devfs rules |
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| 13:32.52 | jm_ | djw: ahh it might contain some sequence that triggers such action from your terminal emulator |
| 13:33.02 | deadline | jm_: sorry didnt see it in my monochrome term. does that mean that libata is the only package i have to install to get the support for this controller? |
| 13:33.36 | djw | jm_: I figure that must be the reason, might not be so good if I was root and the binary data ran rm -rf for me |
| 13:33.41 | Konky | the problem i see is that the usb flash - scsi driver does not tell you what mapping it craeted |
| 13:33.47 | jm_ | deadline: no, 2.6 kernel will support it fine |
| 13:33.58 | djw | jm_: unless there's an escape sequence just for print screen |
| 13:34.02 | jm_ | djw: I don't think such actions exist ;) |
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| 13:34.15 | deadline | jm_: ok thanks |
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| 13:36.34 | jesperj | I am a swedish user so I use locales and have most apps translated for me. Is there a way to make exceptions to this though, so some apps can still be english? It is easier for debugging etc when asking english users for help |
| 13:36.46 | kombi | what could be meant by "kernel-output-path"? |
| 13:36.50 | jm_ | jesperj: LANG=C myapp |
| 13:36.55 | jesperj | like, for one time run a command with english instead of swedish? |
| 13:37.15 | jesperj | jm_, I put this where? |
| 13:37.19 | tpr | wuz your favorite program detecting which IP is connecting/trying to connect to your IP and port temporarily? |
| 13:37.24 | jesperj | bash_profile? |
| 13:37.24 | jm_ | jesperj: in your shell |
| 13:37.38 | jm_ | no don't put it in your profile, execute the app like that when you need it |
| 13:37.48 | jesperj | ty |
| 13:38.15 | deadline | whats a good rootkit checker? |
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| 13:38.24 | _Roey | deadline: chkrootkit ?? |
| 13:38.37 | deadline | _Roey: do you use it yourself? |
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| 13:38.44 | pureone | chkrootkit rkhunter but i wouldnt put 100% faith in them |
| 13:38.44 | resiak | rkhunter? |
| 13:38.47 | resiak | your own eyes? |
| 13:38.49 | _Roey | deadline: yes. |
| 13:38.54 | resiak | Sacrificing seven chickens to the sun god? |
| 13:38.55 | _Roey | deadline: it's available on Debian |
| 13:39.04 | _Roey | deadline: simply apt-get install chkrootkit |
| 13:39.06 | deadline | _Roey: easy to use? |
| 13:39.10 | _Roey | yeah. |
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| 13:39.27 | deadline | _Roey: does it need kind of a updated database? |
| 13:39.34 | deadline | or can i just run the bin and thats it? |
| 13:39.50 | pureone | there just bash scripts ;\ |
| 13:39.52 | _Roey | every time you apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, the chkrootkit is updated. |
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| 13:40.08 | tarzeau | you don't dist-upgrade every time! EVER |
| 13:40.19 | _Roey | ? |
| 13:40.23 | _Roey | I dist-upgrade all the time. |
| 13:40.29 | pureone | :o |
| 13:40.29 | jesperj | jm_, very neat and simple :) |
| 13:40.31 | _Roey | why don't you do it ever? |
| 13:40.33 | _Roey | tarzeau: ? |
| 13:40.44 | tarzeau | _Roey: so do i, but not all the time |
| 13:40.49 | _Roey | ok |
| 13:40.53 | rokus | hi guys. i have parport support built into my 2.6.14, i need a free parallel port ressource to use it with cbm4linux. how can i free the parallelport, unloading the module is impossible because parport ist built in.. someone an idea? |
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| 13:41.54 | deadline | _Roey: thanks for advice |
| 13:42.40 | _Roey | deadline: aye! |
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| 13:46.28 | jesperj | I run testing. When I did "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" today, I got quite a long list of apps both kept back and to upgrade. Since it has happened before that a swedish mirror was broken (pointing to unstable), I'm just paranoid and wonder if it is in order. please check http://pastebin.com/491682 |
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| 13:49.08 | kombi | has anyone succeeded in building a module for the nvidia onboard nic? |
| 13:49.09 | Eulex | jesperj, kde is pretty broken in testing right now. I wouldn't be surprised to see something like that. |
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| 13:49.39 | jm_ | kombi: yes, "recent" kernels support it just fine |
| 13:49.58 | jesperj | Eulex, Ok, so you do not think there is much reason to be paranoid that the mirror is broken or something, just that a lot of changes has recently been done in testing? |
| 13:50.16 | kombi | jm_: 2.6.12-1-amd64 does not seem to do it.. |
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| 13:51.00 | deadline | where is the right place to see all available hdd's ? |
| 13:51.03 | jm_ | kombi: can't say about 2.6.12, I know that Knoppix 4.0.2 with 2.6.12 supports it, however it may have been patched - I can confirm that 2.6.14 and 2.6.15 support it on i386 |
| 13:51.04 | deadline | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:51.12 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 13:51.15 | jm_ | deadline: ls /sys/block ; cat /proc/partitions |
| 13:51.27 | kombi | jm_: gonna roll a custom one then.. |
| 13:51.49 | jm_ | kombi: Debian has 2.6.14 and .15 IIRC (at least in unstable) |
| 13:52.20 | Eulex | jesperj, it's quite likely that this is caused by that some new version of kde has come partially into testing, yes. anyway, apt-get upgrade, it won't upgrade packages that will causes other packages to be installed that wasn't installed before or packages to be removed. you could try apt-get dist-upgrade, which allows both packages to be installed and removed. |
| 13:52.24 | gypsymauro | I'm using start-stop-daemon but when I launch a program with /usr/bin/xvfb-run and I do a ps -aux to see the processes I c /bin/sh /usr/bin/xvfb-run xterm for example, why it adds that /bin/sh? |
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| 13:52.35 | deadline | jm_: remember my raid controller problem? i cant see the drives on the machine (but running 2.6.8 kernel) any suggestions? |
| 13:52.47 | jm_ | deadline: try a newer kernel |
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| 13:52.51 | Eulex | jesperj, *apt-get upgrade won't |
| 13:53.00 | deadline | jm_: there IS no newer kernel in stable |
| 13:53.11 | jm_ | deadline: sure there is |
| 13:53.17 | deadline | jm_: how? |
| 13:53.19 | Eulex | jm_, no. |
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| 13:53.28 | jm_ | deadline: you can build your own or use the one from backports |
| 13:53.31 | jm_ | yes |
| 13:53.48 | Eulex | deadline, you could get a .deb from testing or unstable and dpkg -i it, though. |
| 13:53.56 | jm_ | no don't do that |
| 13:54.00 | Eulex | jm_, no, the newest kernel in stable is 2.6.8. |
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| 13:54.31 | Eulex | jm_, why? kernels in testing and unstable have no dependencies that can't be satisfied in stable. |
| 13:54.35 | deadline | Eulex: that has to be a commercial server running a lot of user accounts. is your suggestion really save? |
| 13:54.53 | jm_ | Eulex: he'll have to backport other stuff which has already been done by people managing backports |
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| 13:55.38 | deadline | jm_: so baking a .deb from a 2.6.14 source should fix my problem? |
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| 13:56.16 | Eulex | jm_, you *don't* have to backport kernels, as they don't depend on anything that can't be found on a sarge system. |
| 13:56.41 | Eulex | deadline, I'm not advicing you to do it, just saying that it is possible. |
| 13:57.05 | deadline | ok guys, whats the better solution then? i just need a quick fix for a few servers, without breaking something |
| 13:57.30 | jm_ | deadline: or that yes |
| 13:57.36 | jm_ | Eulex: uhuh |
| 13:58.11 | unsolo | hmm how do i use ntp |
| 13:58.14 | unsolo | with debian |
| 13:58.14 | jesperj | Eulex, though, the suggested packages by apt that will be installed with dist-upgrade, are pretty much recommended for a functioning system? |
| 13:58.19 | jm_ | unsolo: /msg dpkg set time |
| 13:58.30 | unsolo | tnx |
| 13:58.32 | jesperj | or why does apt otherwise recommend them |
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| 13:59.12 | Eulex | jesperj, the packages that will be installed with dist-upgrade are recommended because newer versions of packages you are upgrading require them. |
| 13:59.25 | Eulex | jesperj, s/recommended/needed/ |
| 13:59.36 | jesperj | right. So there is no sane reason not to dist-upgrade :) |
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| 13:59.49 | Eulex | jesperj, no |
| 14:00.06 | jesperj | ty |
| 14:00.08 | Esp1 | is there a command to see how much data a directory and all its sub dir holds? |
| 14:00.14 | jm_ | Esp1: yes |
| 14:00.26 | Esp1 | ls something? |
| 14:00.29 | jm_ | no |
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| 14:01.03 | deadline | Eulex: how can i get a kernel-image from testing? |
| 14:01.07 | Esp1 | you know the command? |
| 14:01.15 | jm_ | yes ;) |
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| 14:01.22 | Esp1 | *lol* |
| 14:01.31 | Ronin | he's going to make you beg Esp1 |
| 14:01.47 | HelmutG | Can somone tell me whether kde is broken in etch? |
| 14:01.56 | Ronin | HelmutG: yes |
| 14:02.00 | Esp1 | i get that now :) |
| 14:02.12 | HelmutG | Do you also know whether it was broken about a month ago? |
| 14:02.17 | chealer | HelmutG: ask #debian-kde |
| 14:02.44 | HelmutG | chealer: As it is not only kde that's broken I asked here. |
| 14:02.46 | Esp1 | jm_is: can you please help me and dell me the command? ;) |
| 14:03.01 | Esp1 | was that begging enough? :) |
| 14:03.05 | jm_ | Esp1: du -- and learn how to ask smart questions |
| 14:03.12 | jm_ | it was not about begging ... |
| 14:03.31 | chealer | HelmutG: that doesn't matter. it's more optimal to ask KDE questions on #debian-kde |
| 14:03.33 | DarknessX | "HelmutGCan somone tell me whether kde is broken in etch?" -- HelmutG: make your question not about KDE then, or ask it in #debian-kde |
| 14:03.36 | Esp1 | thanx |
| 14:03.52 | Eulex | deadline, I seem to have been wrong before. it's dangerous to get 2.6.14 from unstable, as it depends on yaird. however, there should be no problems getting the 2.6.12 kernel from testing, as it doesn't require anything that's not in testing. |
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| 14:04.17 | Eulex | deadline, you just need to download the .deb from packages.debian.org and dpkg -i it. |
| 14:05.27 | kombi | what was it again, make-kpgk or sth? |
| 14:05.28 | Maulkin | deadline: I would suggect trying it on a development box first though if you're eworried about it. |
| 14:05.45 | jm_ | kombi: /msg dpkg kp |
| 14:05.51 | kombi | thanks |
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| 14:06.33 | Eulex | deadline, yes, I agree with Maulkin. doing it on a critical server may not be advisable. but if it could fix your problems... |
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| 14:07.34 | _lamp | is it true that debian is working on a grafikal installer |
| 14:07.50 | hynek | Zugschlus: it helped, thanks |
| 14:07.53 | Eulex | deadline, whatever those problems are. I haven't followed the discussion that closely. |
| 14:07.59 | Eulex | _lamp, yes, it's very true. |
| 14:08.10 | Zugschlus | hynek: you#re welcome |
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| 14:11.07 | chris77 | Hello. Can one make a .deb back from an installed package? |
| 14:11.13 | jm_ | yes |
| 14:11.33 | _rene__ | yes, but you don't want that |
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| 14:11.39 | _rene__ | because it creates bad debs |
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| 14:11.41 | chris77 | jm_: Any link about this subject? I didn't find anything |
| 14:11.46 | _rene__ | just get the deb you installed and distribute that |
| 14:11.49 | jm_ | chris77: apt-cache show dpkg-repack, but see above |
| 14:11.57 | chris77 | jm_: Ok |
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| 14:12.27 | litb | my mousewheel is not working under debian |
| 14:12.35 | kementeus | hello everybody, somebody knows if i could install php pnctl extension from a debian package? |
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| 14:13.23 | Eulex | !tell litb about mousewheel |
| 14:13.23 | chris77 | jm_, _rene_: Thank you. |
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| 14:13.53 | kementeus | does php-pnctl exists??? |
| 14:14.14 | kilo | Does anyone know how I can play real media files on Debian, or do I need to install real player for linux. The stream files are .ram, any suggestions would be grateful. |
| 14:14.31 | Eulex | litb, also, http://colas.nahaboo.net/mouse-wheel-scroll/ |
| 14:14.35 | Eulex | kilo, get mplayer |
| 14:14.38 | litb | Eulex, my Protocol is "PS/2" |
| 14:14.42 | chris77 | kilo: I think mplayer can |
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| 14:14.55 | litb | and it says it should "IMPS/2" |
| 14:14.59 | jm_ | PS/2 doesn't know about wheel, use ImPS/2 or ExplorerPS/2 with 2.6 kernel |
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| 14:15.08 | kilo | cool..... thats not ported for sarge though is it? |
| 14:15.19 | Eulex | !tell kilo about marillat |
| 14:15.37 | kilo | ta |
| 14:16.03 | Eulex | yw :) |
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| 14:18.05 | kilo | Eulex, what line do I add? deb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html non-free |
| 14:18.06 | kilo | ? |
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| 14:18.38 | Eulex | kilo, rtfm at http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html |
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| 14:18.47 | kilo | ok |
| 14:19.17 | Eulex | kilo, hot tip: scroll down a bit |
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| 14:20.40 | deadline | whats the apt command to fetch a .deb only? |
| 14:20.59 | dimir | apt-get -d |
| 14:21.03 | deadline | thx |
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| 14:21.18 | dimir | np. |
| 14:21.18 | kilo | Eulex, yeah just noticed.... page not designed that good, but not complaining if its a good repository |
| 14:21.21 | jm_ | aptitude download foo |
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| 14:22.10 | Eulex | kilo, I agree, they could have designed it a bit better. |
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| 14:22.36 | kilo | Eulex, downloading mplayer-386.... thanks a lot for your help |
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| 14:22.57 | Eulex | kilo, yw : |
| 14:22.58 | Eulex | ) |
| 14:23.17 | deadline | what kernel image do i need for an AMD opteron SMP ? |
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| 14:24.07 | chealer | deadline: an SMP kernel image, perhaps excluding some amd64 variants |
| 14:24.27 | bibe_ | hi all. I have a sarge machine with two NICs, bound to different gateways. I can't manage to ping both machines at the same time using only /etc/network/interfaces. Should I use iproute, or is there a way to do it simply with a single routing table? |
| 14:24.41 | deadline | chealer: k7 or i686 ? |
| 14:25.01 | kilo | Ahhhhh, mplayer does play though. [fbdev2] Can't open /dev/fb0: No such device |
| 14:25.04 | Eulex | deadline, both will work, but k7 will be faster. |
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| 14:25.31 | Eulex | kilo, umh... trying to play in a frame buffer? |
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| 14:25.58 | chealer | deadline: as Eulex said |
| 14:26.03 | Eulex | kilo, could you use pastebin to show us both the command you're running and the full output you get |
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| 14:26.07 | kilo | I quickly tested mplayer on a file. |
| 14:26.12 | abrotman | does anyone use the kernel? |
| 14:26.21 | Eulex | lol |
| 14:26.25 | kilo | Eulex, okay·....can someone show me pastebin |
| 14:26.46 | Eulex | kilo, pastebin.com |
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| 14:28.13 | kilo | Eulex, http://pastebin.com/491736 |
| 14:28.35 | kilo | pastebin is a smart dumping ground ;) |
| 14:29.17 | chealer | abrotman: l0l, no |
| 14:29.54 | Eulex | kilo, could you try -vo xv and if that doesn't work -vo x11? |
| 14:30.05 | kilo | ok |
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| 14:30.45 | Eulex | kilo, seems like it succeeds in decoding the video and sound but fails to display it :) |
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| 14:31.05 | kilo | yea looks like that |
| 14:31.13 | kilo | permissions? |
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| 14:31.20 | _joey | off topic question: Does anyone know a program or online service to measure the distance in straight line on the world's map ? |
| 14:31.30 | _joey | :) |
| 14:31.37 | Virtual | any idea why my sound isn`t working ? i just installed debian, installed xmms, alsa, added music and xmms is playing but no sound is comming out |
| 14:31.39 | Sprinterv2 | hylafax:~# sendfax -T 5 -D -d 01212****** /root/testdatei.txt |
| 14:31.40 | Sprinterv2 | request id is 26 (group id 26) for host localhost (1 file) |
| 14:31.45 | Sprinterv2 | can somebody help me with that |
| 14:31.48 | Sprinterv2 | i dont get it |
| 14:32.03 | Sprinterv2 | box is not sending a single fax |
| 14:32.07 | nkuttler | Virtual: turn up the volume, unmute the channels, try alsamixer |
| 14:32.11 | junix-other | i am having problems with the Debian Nvidia drivers, they are telling me that it can't probe/find my GeForce 2 Ti |
| 14:32.12 | blaamann | joey: I 've seen that somewhere, let me take a look in my devel bookmarks |
| 14:32.31 | Virtual | nksen, i turned up the volume, unmuted the channels already |
| 14:32.33 | junix-other | i'm using Debian Unstable with kernel 2.6.14 |
| 14:32.41 | Eulex | kilo, doesn't even seem to try the output drivers it should try: xv or x11. btw, where are you running this command, as what user and what X driver are you using? |
| 14:32.53 | nkuttler | Virtual: did you configure xmms to use the alsa driver? |
| 14:33.13 | tpr | can ethereal be used without X? |
| 14:33.14 | Virtual | ah yes, that i forgot it was still set on OSS |
| 14:33.16 | Virtual | thank you |
| 14:33.27 | nkuttler | Virtual: if it uses the oss emulation try aumix to change volume etc |
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| 14:33.48 | kilo | Eulex, as a user. Think I am using ATI, as I have a radeon 9800 pro |
| 14:34.05 | Eulex | kilo, what X driver are you using? ati or fglrx? |
| 14:34.29 | kilo | think it ati.... thats what I chose at x setup |
| 14:34.48 | _rene_ | kilo: for radeons, use "radeon" |
| 14:34.49 | Eulex | kilo, ok. try adding -vo xv to the mplayer command you're running. |
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| 14:34.57 | hcy | how can i use sed to remove all the linefeeds in a file and put linefeeds only where there exist a four space indentation at the beginning of a line? |
| 14:34.58 | Virtual | nkuttler, any idea why i can`t find k3b in debian repository anymore (i`m using testing) |
| 14:35.07 | Coweater | it's not there |
| 14:35.20 | chealer | junix-other: are you sure your card is supported by those drivers? |
| 14:35.41 | kilo | Eulex, Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device. |
| 14:35.43 | junix-other | chealer: no |
| 14:35.51 | Coweater | !why is k3b not in testing |
| 14:35.51 | dpkg | k3b is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
| 14:35.56 | chealer | junix-other: that would be a good thing to check |
| 14:36.04 | kilo | Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts? |
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| 14:36.11 | junix-other | chealer: i don't think it is |
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| 14:36.18 | junix-other | i've checked this on the windows side... |
| 14:36.20 | Eulex | kilo, hmm. could you try -vo x11? also, could you pastebin the full output you get? |
| 14:36.30 | chealer | junix-other: so what do you expect? |
| 14:36.54 | junix-other | uninstall the current ones and backport what i need |
| 14:37.28 | chealer | junix-other: backport? anyway, what's keeping you from uninstalling them? |
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| 14:38.10 | kilo | Eulex, http://pastebin.com/491748 |
| 14:38.35 | Virtual | Coweater, and how can i install it then? |
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| 14:38.58 | Eulex | kilo, was this with -vo x11 or -vo xv? |
| 14:39.07 | hyakuhei | anyone here come accross a "Bad magic number in disc label" error when trying to boot a sparc from a debian-sparc cd? |
| 14:39.07 | Sprinterv2 | Jan 5 15:10:54 hylafax FaxQueuer[3217]: JOB 26: REJECT: Too many attempts to dial: 0, max 0 |
| 14:39.17 | junix-other | chealer: i'm trying to uninstall them, its not working.... |
| 14:39.18 | Sprinterv2 | does that mean the machine hasnt even tried to dial? |
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| 14:40.27 | kilo | Eulex, that was -vo vx |
| 14:40.39 | Eulex | kilo, ok. try -vo x11. |
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| 14:41.03 | kilo | Eulex, http://pastebin.com/491750 |
| 14:41.40 | abrotman | can anyone tell me how to use smbclient with my mainframe? |
| 14:41.46 | kilo | that file works in totem.... but dont want to move onto ram files yet |
| 14:42.01 | Eulex | kilo, sorry, I have no idea. you could ask in #mplayer, though. |
| 14:42.07 | junix-other | chealer: i got it working with an older nvidia driver |
| 14:42.16 | kilo | k thanks though |
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| 14:42.28 | chealer | junix-other: good |
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| 14:43.44 | mrjive | hi *, can anyone point me out to a good exim4+[mysql|postgresql] howto? |
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| 14:44.32 | Zugschlus | howtos are of no help in a topic as complex as mail |
| 14:44.38 | mrjive | lol |
| 14:44.41 | Zugschlus | same answer as over in #exim |
| 14:44.49 | mrjive | Zugschlus: i noticed ;) |
| 14:44.57 | mrjive | Zugschlus: don't be so cruel! |
| 14:45.17 | Zugschlus | mrjive: it is more cruel to leave you in between the pieces of your system after it has broken for the first time |
| 14:45.28 | Zugschlus | if you build it yourself, you'll learn everything you need to fix it in production |
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| 14:45.46 | FlopsyPete | mrjive: http://www.trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/exim4_courier/ Configuring Exim4 and Courier IMAP under Debian GNU/Linux Jason Boxman |
| 14:45.49 | Zugschlus | if you mindlessly follow to HOWTO, you'll not know how to solve problems in production |
| 14:46.02 | mrjive | Zugschlus: i'm not administrating gmail, though :) |
| 14:46.07 | FlopsyPete | mrjive: The Exim FAQ http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.50/doc/html/FAQ.html |
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| 14:46.33 | mrjive | FlopsyPete: thanks i'll go and see |
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| 14:47.00 | Zugschlus | mrjive: that HOWTO is actually pretty decent |
| 14:47.12 | mrjive | eheh |
| 14:47.18 | mrjive | thank you |
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| 14:47.50 | Zugschlus | I would, however, prefer dovecot over courier there days |
| 14:48.03 | Zugschlus | and the HOWTO doesn't cover your wish for virtual domains and database stuff |
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| 14:48.24 | mrjive | Zugschlus: i'm using dovecot too |
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| 14:50.25 | blaamann | _joey: Found it, http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/393241 |
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| 14:51.05 | oklinux | does Cindy Margolis uses debian ? |
| 14:51.29 | streuner | ask her/him? |
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| 14:52.06 | sifi-x | yes, what kind of question was that (^_^) |
| 14:52.32 | oklinux | do you know cindy margolis ? |
| 14:52.56 | sifi-x | oklinux, nope, I don'g think streuner know cindy either |
| 14:53.02 | _joey | blaamann: :) |
| 14:53.06 | _joey | I appreciate it |
| 14:53.09 | ArcTuRuX | hey guys, trying to get setup with debian, heard good things, i want to grab the dvd images, i've gone to a mirror and found two torrents, binary-1 and binary-2, do I need both? or just one? thanks |
| 14:53.34 | streuner | sifi-x: no, i just googled... ;-) |
| 14:53.42 | blaamann | _joey: I had it in my delicous bookmarks. Read the comments to the code as well |
| 14:53.49 | diana | ArcTuRuX: Are you only doing one install? |
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| 14:54.24 | sifi-x | streuner, hehe, of course you googled http://www.cindymargolis.com/ |
| 14:54.30 | streuner | http://pix.321.hu/cindy_margolis_uses_debian.jpg |
| 14:54.35 | diana | ArcTuRuX: I recommend the net install...fastest way to install debian if you currently have no media. imho |
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| 14:55.52 | sifi-x | streuner, hehe, nice pic |
| 14:56.04 | Tarantulafudge | When will apache2.2 be available to update too? |
| 14:56.06 | ArcTuRuX | i didn't even realize that was an option....hm..... |
| 14:56.31 | ralfWORK | ok, what is debian's answer to jumpstart/kickstart? |
| 14:56.42 | ArcTuRuX | i kinda like having the discs |
| 14:56.49 | ArcTuRuX | in case i mess something up :) |
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| 14:57.51 | jesperj | when I run apt-get dist-upgrade, some packages are kept back. How do I install them? |
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| 14:58.08 | oklinux | streuner so do you think she use debian or she just wore the shirt ? |
| 14:58.11 | Maulkin | apt-get install <packagename> |
| 14:58.31 | jesperj | why are they not installed by dist-upgrade? |
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| 14:58.59 | Maulkin | Possibly because they're conflicting iwth something |
| 14:59.03 | boguh | how can i open programs as root in X? |
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| 14:59.19 | Maulkin | jesperj: Which distribution is this? |
| 14:59.20 | streuner | oklinux: why not? |
| 14:59.30 | Coweater | boguh: su, sudo, gksu, gksudo |
| 14:59.35 | jesperj | Maulkin, Debian testing/etch |
| 15:00.17 | natancruz | tudo bem com vocefhjhuyttuyxdipyfgstpodou ojeuoeu9i-09 |
| 15:00.20 | Maulkin | jesperj: it could be broken dependencies |
| 15:00.33 | oklinux | she could be paid for wore that shirt streuner |
| 15:00.45 | sifi-x | boguh, kdesu to |
| 15:00.59 | streuner | oklinux: i would take money to wore it too ;-) |
| 15:01.13 | streuner | no problem :-) |
| 15:01.38 | oklinux | streuner do you leave your computer on 24/7 ? |
| 15:01.49 | jesperj | Maulkin, ok |
| 15:01.53 | streuner | oklinux: sometimes ;-) |
| 15:02.17 | jesperj | I can't sleep with my pc on |
| 15:02.23 | sifi-x | streuner, wherer can i find more chicks that wearing Linux shirts? |
| 15:02.26 | jesperj | 27 squaremeters appartment |
| 15:02.42 | jesperj | sifi-x, just get real porn |
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| 15:02.46 | jesperj | :) |
| 15:02.49 | sifi-x | jesperj, sure =) |
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| 15:03.10 | sifi-x | jesperj, I can edit the images in Gimp |
| 15:03.37 | streuner | sifi-x: http://women.alioth.debian.org/ would be a good guess ;-) |
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| 15:04.48 | sifi-x | streuner, I can find "Gallery"? |
| 15:04.55 | sifi-x | streuner, ;) |
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| 15:07.18 | Wanderer | Do we have any guess as to how long until the new key is propogated |
| 15:07.37 | kementeus | well, I guess I would have to create the php5-pnctl package by myself |
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| 15:08.11 | oklinux | sifi-x http://linuxslut.net/album/linuxsluts/ |
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| 15:08.19 | GyrosGeier | hi |
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| 15:08.32 | GyrosGeier | anyone got an amd64 running sarge? |
| 15:08.46 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 15:08.46 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 15:09.26 | jesperj | how do I check what locale XX code is for my country? Im not sure if it is SE or SV for sweden |
| 15:09.46 | GyrosGeier | I need someone who has a concrete machine in order to compile something. I am running unstable/amd64 just fine, but the unstable gcc no longer compiles the code in question. |
| 15:09.54 | oklinux | sifi-x http://linuxslut.net/album/linuxsluts/tn/003.jpg.php |
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| 15:10.07 | GyrosGeier | (and yes, I need 64 bits. I have processes with a VM size of > 10 GiB) |
| 15:10.17 | Wanderer | heh |
| 15:10.27 | GyrosGeier | jesperj, se_SE AFAIK, sec |
| 15:10.50 | GyrosGeier | jesperj, no |
| 15:10.56 | GyrosGeier | jesperj, there is no se |
| 15:11.34 | GyrosGeier | jesperj, so I'd say sv then |
| 15:11.59 | jesperj | sv_SE |
| 15:12.03 | jesperj | locale -a lists it |
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| 15:12.19 | Virtual | how do i make the icons on desktop smaller ? |
| 15:12.37 | jesperj | if I would generate a locale file with qtlinguist, and it should have a 2 digit country code, I guess it should be "sv" and not "se" then? |
| 15:13.34 | odb | Virtual: depends on your DesktopManager |
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| 15:16.04 | Virtual | odb, gnome |
| 15:16.19 | GyrosGeier | jesperj, language is "sv", country is "SE". |
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| 15:16.31 | GyrosGeier | jesperj, as in "the Swedish spoken in Sweden" |
| 15:16.47 | jesperj | Ah ty |
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| 15:17.37 | GyrosGeier | jesperj, you notice the importance of that distinction when you see a German ordering food in Austria. |
| 15:17.43 | Laibsch | I get lots of "(Gecko:5791): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_source_remove: assertion `tag > 0' failed" from mozilla-products (Thunderbird, Firefox) in Debian Testing/Unstable. Has anybody seen such messages before and can comment on the likely cause? |
| 15:17.44 | sifi-x | Virtual, you should concider using KDE |
| 15:17.46 | Eulex | jesperj, yes, as there's both sv_SE and sv_FI |
| 15:17.52 | sifi-x | GyrosGeier, sweden here |
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| 15:19.53 | jesperj | :) |
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| 15:20.50 | sifi-x | oklinux, ok =), nice menus, do you know how to set them: http://linuxslut.net/album/linuxsluts/tn/003.jpg.php |
| 15:20.58 | sifi-x | oklinux, in KDE |
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| 15:21.44 | mhall | How do I remove the gigantic fucking quantity of space that OOo 2 puts after a horizontal rule? It's fucking up my resume. |
| 15:21.59 | Maulkin | Laibsch: JHave you upgraded Firefox while it's still running? |
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| 15:22.22 | mhall | Maulkin: I heard that causes trouble until you restart it |
| 15:22.35 | Maulkin | it does |
| 15:22.43 | mhall | Maulkin: what does it do |
| 15:22.46 | diana | mhall: Try #openoffice.org or #debian-oo |
| 15:22.46 | Maulkin | it gets VERY confused |
| 15:22.49 | sifi-x | Laibsch, do you use ff from the shell? |
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| 15:23.00 | ercin | is there any other server for the Debian Archive key, subkeys.pgp.net times out |
| 15:23.02 | mhall | diana: yeah; suppose you're right |
| 15:23.13 | mhall | ercin: yeah hold up |
| 15:23.18 | Maulkin | ercin: keyring.debian.org? the.earth.li? |
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| 15:23.26 | mhall | ercin: keyring.debian.org |
| 15:23.28 | unsolo | proftpd or ftpd ow wu-ftpd |
| 15:23.31 | unsolo | or |
| 15:23.32 | diana | I just use abiword for my resume, my system is too much of a pile of shit to run oo2 anyway. |
| 15:23.38 | mhall | gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv <ID> |
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| 15:23.51 | Maulkin | unsolo: ? |
| 15:23.53 | diana | unsolo: I would go with vsftpd |
| 15:23.59 | unsolo | ok |
| 15:24.06 | diana | unsolo: That is my opinion though, I'm sure lots of people have other opinions also. |
| 15:24.21 | diana | very secure file transfer protocol daemon |
| 15:24.43 | unsolo | how do i configure it |
| 15:24.48 | ercin | mhall, thanks :) |
| 15:26.00 | mhall | ercin: and you might need... gpg --armor --export <ID> | apt-key add - |
| 15:26.00 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 15:26.00 | dpkg | i heard debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 15:26.05 | diana | unsolo: yourfavoriteeditorhere /etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 15:26.13 | diana | unsolo: I would "vi /etc/vsftpd.conf" |
| 15:26.16 | zumbi | !hi, do you know a way to log everything that happens on my rxvt, so i can write a manual ? |
| 15:26.17 | unsolo | me like those |
| 15:26.36 | diana | zumbi: try the "script" command. |
| 15:26.41 | tarzeau | !seen thingfish |
| 15:26.42 | dpkg | thingfish <n=mark@dialup-4.245.46.126.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12h 59m 14s ago, saying: 'pfft'. |
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| 15:28.02 | diana | zumbi: You just type "script ~/commands.and.shit.i.do.txt" and it will log all the shit you see in your terminal. |
| 15:28.19 | zumbi | ok, thanks |
| 15:28.19 | john_do1 | I have a s-ata disk which I have partitioned as one big partition. I've put it in fstab as "/dev/sda1 /home defaults 0 0". I can mount it with "mount /home". But it does |
| 15:28.22 | unsolo | diana: how do i make a user end up in a special directory! |
| 15:28.32 | john_do1 | ... (sory) not happen |
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| 15:28.38 | X2 | hi, guys |
| 15:28.38 | john_do1 | automatically |
| 15:28.39 | zumbi | i just run a bad command as root, rm -rf /var |
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| 15:28.52 | zumbi | is there a way to recover it ? |
| 15:28.57 | diana | unsolo: You would change the variable for shell they use. |
| 15:29.01 | bbrazil | zumbi: backups |
| 15:29.12 | john_do1 | I'm sorry for breaking the message into three. Struggling with a weird keyboard... |
| 15:29.24 | diana | unsolo: So if they use bash, you would change the $HOME variable... unsolo type "echo $HOME" in a terminal. |
| 15:29.24 | unsolo | diana: hmm not shure how to do that.. change their home then ? |
| 15:29.27 | zumbi | bbrazil: no backup |
| 15:29.37 | bbrazil | zumbi: you'll probably have to reinstall |
| 15:29.40 | zumbi | i meant to do rm -rf /mnt/var |
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| 15:29.47 | diana | unsolo: yes, to change their HOME, just type in the shell "HOME=/path/to/new/home" |
| 15:30.10 | unsolo | how do i permanently change that |
| 15:30.13 | diana | zumbi: lol...That's why you don't use -f with rm |
| 15:30.18 | unsolo | in the bashrc |
| 15:30.21 | mhall | john_do1: what keyboard? |
| 15:30.36 | diana | zumbi: Unless you have to you don't use -f...same reason why you type commands as a non-root user unless you "need" to be root. |
| 15:30.50 | diana | zumbi: Have fun with your reinstall. |
| 15:30.59 | zumbi | bbrazil: diana: do you think that i could debootstrap and use that /var ? |
| 15:31.10 | bbrazil | zumbi: your dpkg.status is gone |
| 15:31.24 | john_do1 | mhall: It's just my iBook keyboard on an iBook. It has an extra enter next to the arrow keys. But that has nothing to do with my question... |
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| 15:31.59 | diana | unsolo: If you want to permanently change that you have to export the variable. |
| 15:32.11 | Shad0wcat | heh |
| 15:32.12 | zumbi | bbrazil: ./backups/dpkg.status.0 |
| 15:32.14 | heanol | i am running unstable.. and i have both python2.3 and python2.4 installed.. but i wish to remove 2.3 completly and set .4 as default, how do i do without removing all the packages that depend on "python"? |
| 15:32.20 | unsolo | hmm guess maybe some other ftpd is easier then |
| 15:32.30 | Shad0wcat | heanol: why are you running unstable? |
| 15:32.39 | zumbi | bbrazil: it is still there |
| 15:32.43 | bbrazil | zumbi: you might be able to do it then, just reinstall all the packages you had installed |
| 15:32.45 | heanol | Shad0wcat: because i like to be bleeding edge |
| 15:32.54 | tarzeau | heanol: that's not a good reason |
| 15:33.03 | heanol | tarzeau: uh.. okay |
| 15:33.11 | flexy | should there be (debianized) sources available for every available package? Or if only to some packages, how can I check that is there those sources for package foo? |
| 15:33.14 | Shad0wcat | heanol: obviously you can't handle bleeding edge |
| 15:33.21 | zumbi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.23 | zumbi | dpkg-query: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 15:33.24 | heanol | Shad0wcat: well i'm trying to learn? |
| 15:33.27 | mhall | john_do1: i was just curious; heaven forbid |
| 15:33.51 | Shad0wcat | heanol: in that case |
| 15:33.53 | Shad0wcat | man dpkg |
| 15:33.54 | Shad0wcat | go read |
| 15:33.57 | mhall | john_do1: alright; i can help you with this one |
| 15:33.57 | TBBle | OpenDivX was. That's divX 4, and I think XviD forked from it. |
| 15:33.59 | TBBle | Iiios |
| 15:34.00 | TBBle | Ooops |
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| 15:34.09 | heanol | Shad0wcat: eat me. |
| 15:34.09 | mhall | john_do1: go to #flood and paste /etc/fstab |
| 15:34.15 | mhall | zumbi: ? |
| 15:34.24 | Shad0wcat | heanol: unstable is unsupported in here |
| 15:34.26 | diana | heanol: You won't get much help in here if you are using sid and you don't know what you are doing...people will get hostile with you. |
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| 15:34.37 | odla | does anyone know how i can prevent my associations from being reset by links2? |
| 15:34.39 | diana | heanol: If you use etch and don't know what you are doing you will get better treatment. |
| 15:34.41 | john_do1 | mhall: ok |
| 15:34.48 | Shad0wcat | if you don't know how to do manual package management |
| 15:34.53 | Shad0wcat | don't use sid |
| 15:34.53 | diana | heanol: sid is for "developers" who actually "develope" on debian. |
| 15:34.55 | Shad0wcat | it's that simple |
| 15:34.56 | odla | i shut down my computer last night and my assocation where completely gone |
| 15:35.01 | zumbi | mhall: i just screw up my system, doing rm -rf /var |
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| 15:35.10 | Shad0wcat | diana: or for people who like to be guinneapigs |
| 15:35.11 | Shad0wcat | :P |
| 15:35.14 | heanol | diana: well the solution to my problem should be done the same in both |
| 15:35.20 | john_do1 | mhall: first, should I use "auto" in fstab? |
| 15:35.22 | diana | zumbi: You have to reinstall...there is no way around it. |
| 15:35.27 | mhall | zumbi: Well fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! |
| 15:35.34 | mhall | diana: not true |
| 15:35.41 | mhall | john_do1: just paste it |
| 15:35.42 | Shad0wcat | heanol: you don't get it |
| 15:35.44 | dnc | diana: or using a backup =) |
| 15:35.48 | zumbi | diana: there must be a workaround |
| 15:35.54 | mhall | zumbi: there is |
| 15:35.55 | Shad0wcat | if you run sid, you're not supposed to ask those kinds of questions |
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| 15:36.03 | odla | and when i start a new incident of links2 my assocations are gone |
| 15:36.09 | john_do1 | mhall: http://pastebin.ca/35863 |
| 15:36.10 | Shad0wcat | !ifhtays |
| 15:36.13 | zumbi | mhall: could you tell ? i was thinking on debootstrapping |
| 15:36.13 | Shad0wcat | damnit |
| 15:36.13 | heanol | Shad0wcat: so if i said i was running etch you'd answer me? |
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| 15:36.22 | Shad0wcat | heanol: maybe |
| 15:36.27 | Shad0wcat | depending on the mood I'm in |
| 15:36.32 | Shad0wcat | actually |
| 15:36.38 | incorrect | can you do a dpkg -l without chopping the description? |
| 15:36.39 | Ronin | heanol: but then theyd catch you in the lie at some point :) |
| 15:36.40 | Shad0wcat | if you actually required the latest version of the package |
| 15:36.44 | Shad0wcat | I'd help you |
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| 15:36.47 | Igaaa | hi |
| 15:36.50 | Shad0wcat | if you're just running it for the sake of running it |
| 15:36.53 | Shad0wcat | I wouldn't help you |
| 15:36.59 | Igaaa | does anyone use an optical audio output ? |
| 15:37.04 | dnc | incorrect: i think increasing the COLUMNS env |
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| 15:37.12 | heanol | Shad0wcat: well the whole reason i went to unstable was because some package i wanted to try out required loads of packages from unstable and since then i've been running it, without problems. |
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| 15:37.34 | kspath | odla: incident? instance? |
| 15:37.36 | Shad0wcat | heanol: ok then how to you check if a package has bugs? |
| 15:37.39 | mhall | zumbi: dpkg --get-selections | awk '/install$/ { print $1; }' | xargs apt-get --reinstall -y install |
| 15:37.53 | odla | kspath: yeah instance i ment incidence btw |
| 15:38.07 | Justin | dpkg: reinstall |
| 15:38.08 | dpkg | somebody said reinstall was COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
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| 15:38.27 | flexy | I need dvb subtitles patch for vdr, so if I can't find debianized sources for vdr, I'm stuck with the sources and trying to get the darn thing up and running in /usr/local... Any hints if there are debianized vdr sources available somewhere? |
| 15:38.45 | Justin | flexy: apt-get source vdr? |
| 15:38.46 | zumbi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:39.02 | Shad0wcat | Shift+L? |
| 15:39.05 | Shad0wcat | what does that do? |
| 15:39.11 | nuambenzina | what do i have to edit if I wish that apt-get to use a proxy ? |
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| 15:39.25 | GyrosGeier | Shad0wcat, reinstall package |
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| 15:39.29 | mhall | zumbi: ouch! |
| 15:39.31 | Shad0wcat | oh |
| 15:39.44 | mhall | zumbi: that's right, you don't even have the dpkg database |
| 15:39.45 | Shad0wcat | well you learn something new everyday |
| 15:39.55 | mhall | zumbi: so there's no way to figure out which packages are on the box |
| 15:39.57 | heanol | Shad0wcat: i dont really care. |
| 15:39.58 | Shad0wcat | I always type "aptitude reinstall <package>" |
| 15:40.10 | mhall | diana: i apologize; you were right :-) he really does have to reinstall |
| 15:40.10 | Shad0wcat | heanol: more like you don't know |
| 15:40.10 | nuambenzina | hello |
| 15:40.11 | heanol | Shad0wcat: it works, thats all i care about |
| 15:40.16 | flexy | Justin: so it was that easy :D Thanks... I've used dselect and noticed kernel sources and other sources there and thought that only those are available... thanks :) |
| 15:40.17 | heanol | Shad0wcat: i dont know because i dont care |
| 15:40.21 | mhall | Shad0wcat: doesn't work when you don't have package DB anymore |
| 15:40.28 | Shad0wcat | heanol: and that's why no one's gonna help you with sid |
| 15:40.29 | odla | i figured out my problem |
| 15:40.34 | kspath | odla: british english? incidence: rate of occurance in American English not picking on your I want to learn variants of English |
| 15:40.34 | dnc | nuambenzina: you could look at the approx package |
| 15:40.38 | Shad0wcat | mhall: tell that to zumbi not me :P |
| 15:40.58 | zumbi | mhall: what about 'ls /usr/share' ? |
| 15:40.58 | nuambenzina | what`s approx package (i`m kinda newbie) |
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| 15:41.02 | heanol | Shad0wcat: because they're assholes? |
| 15:41.15 | Shad0wcat | heanol: I'm not gonna help you either |
| 15:41.20 | Shad0wcat | so figure it out on your own |
| 15:41.23 | Shad0wcat | or don't |
| 15:41.27 | Shad0wcat | **eod |
| 15:41.29 | Shad0wcat | !eod |
| 15:41.29 | dpkg | eod is, like, End Of Discussion |
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| 15:41.43 | TBBle | They did. *points at MPEG-4 Video again* And that standardisation came with patents. |
| 15:41.46 | heanol | i shouldn't ahve mentioned unstable. |
| 15:41.47 | TBBle | Ooops |
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| 15:41.49 | mhall | zumbi: /usr/share/doc will get you somewhat of an idea |
| 15:41.51 | dnc | nuambenzina: sorry, i think is the wrong one |
| 15:41.58 | stew | heanol: the better way to use packages from unstable is to backport then /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 15:42.04 | Shad0wcat | heanol: that is beside the point |
| 15:42.09 | Shad0wcat | as soon as you mention package versions |
| 15:42.19 | stew | Shad0wcat: i thought you were done with the discussion? |
| 15:42.21 | Shad0wcat | people knowing what they are doing will figure out you are running unstable |
| 15:42.24 | mhall | john_do1: alright, i think part of your problem might be that your pass number on the FS is set to 0 |
| 15:42.29 | heanol | Shad0wcat: so a package cant have 2 versions in testing/stable? |
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| 15:42.38 | dnc | nuambenzina: apt-cache show apt-proxy |
| 15:42.39 | mhall | john_do1: you're only supposed to do that on fses you do not want to be fscked |
| 15:42.39 | unsolo | how do i add a mount bind to fstab ? |
| 15:42.55 | Shad0wcat | sigh |
| 15:43.00 | Shad0wcat | enjoy |
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| 15:43.25 | zumbi | mhall: i still have /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 |
| 15:43.41 | mhall | zumbi: hmm maybe copy it into place? |
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| 15:43.53 | Shad0wcat | zumbi: why don't you just reinstall |
| 15:43.57 | Shad0wcat | it'd save you a shitload of trouble |
| 15:44.14 | stew | heanol: python is treated differently than most others |
| 15:44.16 | mhall | Shad0wcat: well at least this way he gets his package listing |
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| 15:44.33 | mhall | Shad0wcat: btw copy is spelled cp, not rm ;-) |
| 15:44.45 | john_do1 | mhall: is that the first or the last "0"? |
| 15:44.50 | stew | heanol: python is really just a meta package which depends on "the current flavor of python" which right now is 2.3 |
| 15:44.50 | zumbi | Shad0wcat: i'll try to recover, i have not time to reinstall for a couple weeks |
| 15:44.51 | hans0lo | anyone know of an image viewer that can handle huge images well (over 100mb tiffs to be exact) |
| 15:45.09 | mhall | john_do1: dump number, then pass number |
| 15:45.21 | unsolo | hmm where is the local start in debian ? |
| 15:45.25 | john_do1 | mhall: What is dump number? |
| 15:45.35 | mhall | john_do1: it's used by the dump backup command |
| 15:45.46 | heanol | stew: thanks. |
| 15:45.47 | mhall | john_do1: the old-school traditional unix backup utility |
| 15:45.49 | john_do1 | mhall: oh yes, thanks |
| 15:46.02 | nuambenzina | dnc it gives me some information and this link http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net i`ll need some time to study it |
| 15:46.03 | stew | heanol: 2.3 and 2.4 can all coexist on the same machine. you shouldn't have a reason to remove 2.3 from your machine. if you want the "python" command to run 2.4 instead of 2.3, just change the /usr/bin/python symlink |
| 15:46.04 | nuambenzina | 10q |
| 15:46.20 | mhall | stew: why do you have to have both |
| 15:46.25 | zumbi | diana: you were right |
| 15:46.29 | mhall | zumbi: use that status file to get your package list |
| 15:46.38 | Shad0wcat | stew: he doesn't know this, and he's running unstable |
| 15:46.40 | mhall | zumbi: so at least you aren't completely hosed |
| 15:46.41 | stew | mhall: because a lot of packages depend on "python" which right now is 2.3 |
| 15:46.42 | heanol | Shad0wcat: i just checked on my other box that IS running testing and it could have the same problem :P |
| 15:46.46 | Shad0wcat | see why we're hostile? |
| 15:46.47 | dnc | nuambenzina: yep, if from the description it does what you need, install it |
| 15:46.56 | Shad0wcat | heanol: I don't really care |
| 15:47.05 | Shad0wcat | with your level of knowledge you should be in Stable |
| 15:47.07 | Shad0wcat | not even testing |
| 15:47.09 | stew | Shad0wcat: many people don't know this. python packaging is a nightmare, and the policy document on it is only beta |
| 15:47.09 | mhall | stew: it's really stupid and wastes space |
| 15:47.34 | Shad0wcat | Stew: the thing is that he didn't even bother to check the symlinks |
| 15:47.38 | Shad0wcat | or /etc/alternatives |
| 15:47.39 | stew | mhall: suggest an alternative, many people are having trouble figuring out what the right thing to do is |
| 15:47.49 | mhall | Python isn't even a decent programming language to begin with. |
| 15:47.50 | dnc | nuambenzina: if instead you want to use apt thru a proxy IIRC you only need to set an env variable |
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| 15:47.55 | mhall | The memory management is broken. |
| 15:47.59 | stew | mhall: please don't troll |
| 15:48.07 | mhall | stew: I'm serious. |
| 15:48.12 | heanol | Shad0wcat: i did check alternatives |
| 15:48.12 | kepht | craptastic ..how do i get the new (testing) gpg key and import it? |
| 15:48.13 | stew | mhall: that's not constructive |
| 15:48.15 | Virtual | is tehre any clean way to install kde and delete gnome? |
| 15:48.27 | mhall | stew: Sorry, it's just very frustrating. |
| 15:48.35 | heanol | Shad0wcat: and i know its just a symlink but i wanted to do it the "debian way" |
| 15:48.48 | mhall | stew: I don't understand why everybody always uses it but they won't fix the broken memory management. |
| 15:49.06 | heanol | shad0wcat: usually messing aroudn with files made and maintained by debian is a bad idea |
| 15:49.10 | mhall | stew: And the people that use it all the time are very elitist about how great it is, but it's actually broken at the core. |
| 15:49.37 | stouset | mhall: Memory management of what? |
| 15:49.41 | stew | heanol: i wouldn't bother wasting my time trying to prolong the "discussion" between you ans Shad0wcat |
| 15:49.41 | mhall | stouset: Python |
| 15:49.52 | Shad0wcat | heanol: no it's a bad idea if you don't know what you are doing |
| 15:50.02 | mhall | kepht: yeah here's how |
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| 15:50.04 | Shad0wcat | which brings us back to, why the hell are you running unstable in the first place |
| 15:50.13 | heanol | Shad0wcat: who cares if i bork my own system? |
| 15:50.14 | Shad0wcat | sometimes you have to move things around |
| 15:50.18 | heanol | Shad0wcat: that's my problem |
| 15:50.25 | Shad0wcat | heanol: but I won't help you do it |
| 15:50.25 | stew | Shad0wcat: he would ahve the exact same issue in stable |
| 15:50.27 | stouset | !tell kepht about 2006 key |
| 15:50.35 | Shad0wcat | stew: I know this |
| 15:50.46 | Shad0wcat | but the reason he gave for running unstable was: "I like bleeding edge" |
| 15:50.48 | heanol | stew: exactly, so i don't see the problem |
| 15:50.52 | nuambenzina | how can I know if is sid or sarge ? |
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| 15:50.55 | Shad0wcat | which definately isn't a good enough reason |
| 15:50.58 | stew | Shad0wcat: if you don't want to help just keep quiet, there is no need to read pages and pages of you saying that you don't think he should be running unstable, we get the point already |
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| 15:51.13 | mhall | dpkg, import gpg key is gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv [ID] && gpg --armor --export [ID] | apt-key add - |
| 15:51.13 | dpkg | mhall: okay |
| 15:51.18 | TBBle | Well, he's on the bleeding edge. And appears to be losing blood at a gallon a minute. |
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| 15:51.23 | mhall | !tell kepht about import gpg key |
| 15:51.30 | mhall | TBBle: we know; next topic |
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| 15:52.21 | dnc | nuambenzina: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 15:52.44 | dnc | nuambenzina: or look at a console login prompt |
| 15:52.49 | Muffie | Anyone knows if there is a binary installation of X.org 7 for Debian? |
| 15:52.53 | kepht | thanks, mhall |
| 15:53.45 | mhall | To my way of thinking, what version other people run is not our business as long as they behave in the channel. We should be conservative in what versions we recommend and liberal in what versions we support. |
| 15:53.55 | nuambenzina | i guess is SID ( testing/unstable i installed knoppix on hdd) |
| 15:54.19 | mhall | nuambenzina: knoppix is not debian; go to #knoppix |
| 15:54.25 | nuambenzina | :) |
| 15:54.46 | mhall | :( |
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| 15:54.59 | c_k | ass I hate it when ssh dies a sad death ;-) |
| 15:55.05 | mhall | c_k: ? |
| 15:55.15 | heanol | mhall: as long as it's not related at all to the question/problem, yes it shouldn't matter.. |
| 15:55.22 | fireba11 | c_k: don't tell me you mananged to crash ssh ? |
| 15:55.27 | nuambenzina | why are you sad whall ? i did that because it feet my actual needs :) |
| 15:55.34 | nuambenzina | mhall |
| 15:55.41 | mhall | nuambenzina: i was trying to be funny |
| 15:55.49 | nuambenzina | okay` |
| 15:56.02 | mhall | nuambenzina: i'm weird; don't take me too literally |
| 15:56.11 | Muffie | Xorg 7, debian, binary, anyone? |
| 15:56.16 | nuambenzina | no, you`re funny |
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| 15:56.19 | mhall | Muffie: hold up a minute |
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| 15:56.34 | johnmorr | anyone know what's up with the machine hosting packages.debian.org? |
| 15:57.02 | webwolf_27 | can somebody please help me with an apache problem in deb 3.1 I'm not at all used to this configuration sys. |
| 15:57.12 | fireba11 | webwolf_27: details ? |
| 15:57.20 | stew | webwolf_27: if you have a specific question, just ask it |
| 15:57.26 | diana | johnmorr: works perfectly fine for me... johnmorr Do you mean gpg keys? |
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| 15:57.27 | fireba11 | johnmorr: it's a fast and busy system, why ? |
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| 15:57.41 | webwolf_27 | after restarting I get the error [warn] NameVirtualHost 62.75.160.168:80 has no VirtualHosts |
| 15:57.43 | mhall | How do I get mirc to log /list output? |
| 15:57.47 | sifi-x | Muffie, why not XFree86 |
| 15:58.02 | dnc | fireba11: today is down |
| 15:58.04 | fireba11 | webwolf_27: it's only a warning, so no sweat .. |
| 15:58.04 | Virtual | what good cd-writer program i can use besides k3b |
| 15:58.05 | webwolf_27 | vhosts are set up thought |
| 15:58.13 | Muffie | i tought Debian was migrating to X.org |
| 15:58.14 | johnmorr | fireba11: packages.debian.org is down at the moment. We're working on resurrecting this service but it will take some time. |
| 15:58.17 | dnc | fireba11: at least, was down |
| 15:58.19 | Pryon | Virtual: cdrecord |
| 15:58.25 | takatumi | Muffie: long done. |
| 15:58.35 | webwolf_27 | fireball, I am sweating it though. Its refusing access |
| 15:58.49 | Virtual | Pryon, does it have gui ? |
| 15:58.49 | sifi-x | Muffie, no, XFree86 is still default |
| 15:58.52 | Muffie | takatumi, do you know where can I get a binary package to install X.org 7? |
| 15:58.52 | GyrosGeier | webwolf_27, they need to be <VirtualHost name:80> in this case, with name resolving to the exact same IP of the NameVirtualHost directive |
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| 15:58.59 | sifi-x | afaik |
| 15:59.17 | Muffie | sifi-x, well. I have performed a dist-upgrade sometime ago, and it was changed to X.org! :) |
| 15:59.20 | GyrosGeier | XFree86 is in sarge. X.org is in etch and sid |
| 15:59.24 | webwolf_27 | GyrosGier, thanks, I'll try that |
| 15:59.33 | Pryon | Virtual: There is at least one front-end for it (xcdroast), but I don't know. I tend to use cdrecord. |
| 15:59.35 | sifi-x | GyrosGeier, ah |
| 15:59.47 | GyrosGeier | webwolf_27, well, that is the way vhosting works. :-) |
| 16:00.00 | johnmorr | diana: nope, not gpg keys. the HTTP interfaces to packages.debian.org is down (message posted there indicating such) |
| 16:00.01 | takatumi | Muffie: which version are you running now? |
| 16:00.21 | sifi-x | Muffie, with other words, X.org will be used by debian within 2 years likley |
| 16:00.22 | Muffie | takatumi: 6.8.2 |
| 16:00.27 | webwolf_27 | GyrosGier, much different from Centos |
| 16:00.35 | takatumi | Muffie: testing? |
| 16:00.38 | Muffie | sifi-x, so, X.org is the future |
| 16:00.43 | sifi-x | Muffie, seems so |
| 16:00.54 | GyrosGeier | webwolf_27, a) Centos sucks |
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| 16:01.06 | sifi-x | Muffie, not very supprised |
| 16:01.10 | Muffie | takatumi: I was using testing. Last night i have performed a dist-upgrade after migrating to unstable at my sources.list. But it remains the same |
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| 16:01.17 | GyrosGeier | webwolf_27, b) "apache2 -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS" is a good command. |
| 16:01.23 | Muffie | sifi-x: Do you prefer XFree? |
| 16:01.26 | sifi-x | Muffie, not that I've been using X.org yet but |
| 16:01.55 | takatumi | !info xserver-xorg |
| 16:02.00 | sifi-x | Whats the main diff between XFree and X.org? |
| 16:02.06 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5521 kB, Installed size: 14624 kB |
| 16:02.07 | common | license |
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| 16:02.23 | webwolf_27 | GyrosGier, accually I like CentOS |
| 16:02.27 | sifi-x | common, yet, we know that, but more |
| 16:02.54 | webwolf_27 | GyrosGier, thanks for that command though that helps alot in debugging |
| 16:02.56 | Muffie | takatumi: I dont think X.org 7 will be present at unstable. Am I right? The only way for me to install it is downloading sources from www.x.org? |
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| 16:03.20 | sifi-x | common, whats the thing about the licenses |
| 16:03.47 | takatumi | Muffie: 6.9 and 7.0 are identical in features |
| 16:04.12 | Muffie | takatumi, ok, but do you know how can I install it? |
| 16:04.26 | GyrosGeier | webwolf_27, BTW, my highlight doesn't trigger on "GyrosGier" :-) |
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| 16:04.53 | fireba11 | webwolf_27: paste your config somewhere if you want me to take a look |
| 16:05.07 | webwolf_27 | GyrosGeier, sorry I misspelled |
| 16:05.08 | fireba11 | webwolf_27: i suggest using nic complete :-) |
| 16:05.11 | c_k | yeah it wont let me login everything else works fine just not ssh :-) |
| 16:05.14 | GyrosGeier | webwolf_27, np |
| 16:05.21 | webwolf_27 | fireball, just a sec |
| 16:05.21 | takatumi | Muffie: it is available in unstable, and you are running unstable right? |
| 16:05.35 | zumbi | mhall: i rebooted my system and works fine, just random number generator doesnt work, neither apt-get, i guess i have to populate /var somehow |
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| 16:06.09 | Muffie | takatumi: Yesterday night, I have changed my sources.list to point to "unstable". After that I have performed a dist-upgrade, but Im not sure if X.org version was update to 7.0. |
| 16:06.24 | Eulex | !tell webwolf_27 about nick completion |
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| 16:06.51 | Muffie | takatumi, dist-upgrade should have upgraded isnt it? |
| 16:06.55 | odla | Muffie: xorg is 6.9 i think not 7.0 |
| 16:07.05 | kombi | when you're done with make-kpkg, what's next? |
| 16:07.06 | Starmaker | hey, I'm trying to back up some of my DVD9 movies to DVD5, does anyone know what program I can for resizing the VOBs? |
| 16:07.07 | takatumi | Muffie: 6.9 yes |
| 16:07.20 | Pryon | kombi: dpkg -i |
| 16:07.23 | stew | kombi: dpkg -i ../thenewkernel.deb |
| 16:07.24 | Muffie | takatumi, well. I should check that at night. Its at my home. |
| 16:07.27 | sifi-x | Muffie, apt-cache show x.org gives me "W: Unable to locate package x.org" in stable sarge |
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| 16:07.36 | kombi | Pyron stew: thanks! |
| 16:07.40 | Muffie | thanks sifi-x, but im not at home right now |
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| 16:07.55 | takatumi | sifi-x: xorg wasn't ready when sarge was released. |
| 16:08.11 | bizkit | its xserver-xorg |
| 16:08.11 | stew | at least it wasn't ready when sarge froze :P |
| 16:08.12 | sifi-x | takatumi, ah, so we have to wait 2 years? |
| 16:08.24 | mhall | Muffie: #debian-x is the channel for you |
| 16:08.26 | Muffie | takatumi, Actually, after the unstable dist-upgrade My apt-get keeps complaining about some KDE dependencies |
| 16:08.39 | leOn | anyone else having trouble with xserver-xorg using an ATI card ? |
| 16:08.41 | leOn | =( |
| 16:08.48 | takatumi | sifi-x: if you are tracking stable, yes, wait until the next stable release. |
| 16:08.50 | stew | sifi-x: if you really need it (which very few people do, since xfree and xorg for the most part have the same drivers) you can install it from backports.org /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:09.07 | mgbaron | do i need to reinstall apache to enable ssl? |
| 16:09.18 | raden | mgbaron, no |
| 16:09.25 | sifi-x | takatumi, stew I'm just curious as usally =) |
| 16:09.27 | stew | Muffie: yes, kde is in the middle of more than one tough transition (c++ 3.4->3.5 dbus...) |
| 16:09.30 | takatumi | leOn: something new with the recent update or in general? |
| 16:09.32 | raden | mgbaron, i cant rember what you have todo google for apache2 ssl |
| 16:09.43 | mgbaron | raden, ok, thanks |
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| 16:09.47 | Muffie | stew, so, my dependecies problems were normal? |
| 16:09.54 | kombi | stew: but.. where is that .deb file..? |
| 16:09.56 | sifi-x | but I will wait to the next stable release |
| 16:09.58 | stew | Muffie: yes |
| 16:10.00 | stew | kombi: /usr/src |
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| 16:10.22 | mhall | stew: woohoo, i'm in good with v3.5 :-) |
| 16:10.24 | Muffie | stew, well, the good part is that in some weeks I'll probably have KDE 3.5! :) |
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| 16:10.38 | takatumi | sifi-x: if everything runs fine and you're satisfied, no need to tinker. :) |
| 16:10.51 | kombi | stew: not there.. ran make-kpkg in the source directory.. |
| 16:11.06 | webwolf_27 | ok, I got my main host working. Thanks guys. I'll get used to debian if it kills me ( or if this vserver does ) |
| 16:11.10 | stew | Muffie: yeah, this one will be tough becuase gnome and kde teams have to coordinate to try to get gnome 2.12 and kde3.5 in at the same time |
| 16:11.14 | leOn | takatumi, i've dist-upgraded this morning and ever since my sid system hangs on boot. i've tracked the problem to the X startup, but i don't seem to find any other clues ... i believe it must be problem with the card driver ... =/ |
| 16:11.17 | kombi | does make-kpkg log to somewhere? |
| 16:11.25 | sifi-x | takatumi, exactly, but it is quite instresing that x.org will take the lead |
| 16:11.46 | stew | kombi: if you ran make-kpkg in /usr/src/linux-source-xxx ; it will create /usr/src/linux-image-xxx.deb |
| 16:11.52 | Muffie | stew, Nice! In the meantime I'll try to get X.org 7 by hand! Geting sources. Is that possible? |
| 16:11.52 | takatumi | leOn: hmm, I haven't upgraded to 6.9 yet, checked the bts? |
| 16:11.58 | stew | kombi: it logs to stdout |
| 16:12.04 | kombi | stew: didn't.. strange! |
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| 16:12.14 | ganymed | hallo. |
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| 16:12.51 | mhall | leOn: unlikely it would hang |
| 16:12.53 | ganymed | can anybody tell me the correct size of the etch dvd No. 1 image? is it really only 2 gb big? |
| 16:12.54 | mhall | ganymed: guten tag |
| 16:12.59 | leOn | takatumi, funny part is that there was an open bug on 6.8.2 and it was corrected in 6.9.0 ... i started having the problem stated in that bug report after the upgrade ... =P |
| 16:13.07 | ganymed | mhall: guten tag |
| 16:13.13 | takatumi | Muffie: why bother? 6.9 is the same thing dude. check www.x.org except for the modularized build. |
| 16:13.14 | mhall | ganymed: what url did you dl it from |
| 16:13.24 | stew | Muffie: i'm not sure, i dont' think there is a big enough difference between 6.9 and 7 to warrant the effort, you might see if you could help gravity (who is frequently here and the xorg maintianer) if you can help in any way |
| 16:13.24 | Muffie | takatumi, just for fun! :) |
| 16:13.33 | ganymed | the official debian one...http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 16:13.38 | john_do1 | Now it complains that fsck.ext3 doesn't exist at boot. But if I press CONTROL-D and do the fsck myself there is no problem. |
| 16:13.48 | leOn | mhall, not completely, true, i can still ping the machine ... but no such luck with mouse/keyboard/ssh intervention |
| 16:13.49 | Muffie | stew, I dont think my experience is enough to help him! :) |
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| 16:14.16 | mhall | ganymed: well i looked in lynx and it says 4.4G 4.2G |
| 16:14.16 | john_do1 | I have googled and it seems to be a known problem. I just haven't found a solution. |
| 16:14.20 | ganymed | well, k3b says the md5 check sum was okay? |
| 16:14.35 | mhall | ganymed: du -sh it and make sure of the file size |
| 16:14.48 | ganymed | mine too, but it downloaded only 2gigs -- and k3b doesn't complain |
| 16:14.58 | mhall | ganymed: that's not right |
| 16:15.00 | ganymed | how do i do that |
| 16:15.29 | mhall | ganymed: it means whatever you downloaded it with is not large file capable |
| 16:15.33 | mhall | ganymed: so it got the 2GB then crashed |
| 16:15.33 | VivekVC_Testing | I am getting the following error http://rafb.net/paste/results/hhU1gd74.html |
| 16:15.40 | ganymed | grrr.... opera.... |
| 16:15.43 | mhall | leOn: wow that is fucked up |
| 16:15.50 | leOn | mhall, could be a problem with the site he downloaded from |
| 16:15.55 | mhall | leOn: usually x tries to start 5 times then gives up |
| 16:16.00 | stew | VivekVC_Testing: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 16:16.03 | mhall | leOn: no it could not possibly be |
| 16:16.09 | ganymed | when did we come to the point to consider 2 gb big again` |
| 16:16.10 | ganymed | ? |
| 16:16.11 | mhall | leOn: it was the official server |
| 16:16.24 | VivekVC_Testing | I am not sure of what the APT::Force-LoopBreak option is |
| 16:16.29 | mhall | ganymed: dude, just fix it with wget -c |
| 16:16.40 | leOn | mhalli've seen apache serving up to 2G and stoping |
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| 16:16.45 | mhall | ganymed: it won't force you to re-dl it all |
| 16:16.47 | VivekVC_Testing | stew: i'll try that |
| 16:16.48 | leOn | oh |
| 16:16.54 | c_k | when connecting to a ftp server what port is used to do the directory listing? |
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| 16:17.12 | mhall | ganymed: copy the first 2gb first in case something goes screwy |
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| 16:17.30 | mhall | ganymed: also you can try bittorrent for faster dl |
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| 16:17.50 | takatumi | leOn: the changelogs mentioned full support for ati cards though. ;) |
| 16:17.50 | mhall | c_k: 21? |
| 16:17.57 | ganymed | no way for faster dl. i got 1200 kb download rate here |
| 16:18.05 | Muffie | something that occurred me. Nowadays should be tought being a GNOME developer. Everyday I see news talking about KDE, qt4 and eventually I read someone talking bad about GNOME. Linus included... |
| 16:18.13 | mhall | leOn: not apache 2.0 |
| 16:18.20 | ganymed | i have the same problem with firefox. i should try ftp... jaja |
| 16:18.23 | leOn | takatumi, my X300 doesn't seem to think so |
| 16:18.28 | c_k | that works I have allowed ports 20 and 21 yet it drops out when trying to do the didr lising, if I disable that rule totally in the firewall its works 100% |
| 16:18.35 | leOn | fsck ... running out of battery |
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| 16:18.39 | mhall | c_k: ok i know the problem |
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| 16:19.06 | kombi | stew: what's with buildpackage sth? |
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| 16:19.16 | c_k | whats the issue then mhall? |
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| 16:19.30 | mhall | c_k: try passive mode ftp |
| 16:19.40 | mhall | c_k: active mode ftp is not firewall capable |
| 16:19.41 | odla | gnome > kde, but icewm is >>>>>> gnome and kde |
| 16:19.45 | mindCtrl | Is it possible to install the base system with only disc 1 of the 14 disc. |
| 16:19.55 | c_k | ah right ok let me give that a go then quick |
| 16:19.59 | Muffie | odla, ICEWM? |
| 16:20.01 | thingfish | mindCtrl: yes |
| 16:20.09 | mhall | c_k: additionally, it's bad form to firewall an ftp server |
| 16:20.12 | odla | !tell Muffie about icewm |
| 16:20.15 | mindCtrl | thingfish: thanks |
| 16:20.28 | mhall | c_k: because people can't get in without passive, which not everybody is capable of setting up |
| 16:20.30 | stew | kombi: "buildpackage sth"? |
| 16:20.30 | leOn | why do these things only happen when a guy really has work to do!? |
| 16:20.31 | odla | Muffie: it's way cool |
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| 16:20.37 | takatumi | leOn: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/radeon.4.html |
| 16:20.38 | leOn | f*ck! |
| 16:20.40 | thingfish | mindCtrl: the first install disk puts on a base system, then reboots, then you can finish up either with the CDs or by using http/ftp. |
| 16:20.45 | Muffie | odla, I have heard about it, but I only have used KDE and XFCE4. What so good about it? |
| 16:20.49 | odla | Muffie: it's a wm though and not a destop enivornment |
| 16:21.05 | odla | Muffie: fast, light, and extremely customizabl |
| 16:21.06 | odla | e |
| 16:21.14 | Muffie | odla, uses QT or GTK? |
| 16:21.16 | takatumi | leOn: no x300? |
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| 16:21.28 | kombi | stew: read that in man make-kpkg.. |
| 16:21.30 | c_k | thats done it cheers, can I not allow it to work in passive mode then through my firewall |
| 16:21.38 | odla | Muffie: i'm not sure...gtk? |
| 16:21.40 | odla | i think |
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| 16:21.54 | c_k | why bad form to firewall a ftp server |
| 16:21.56 | mhall | odla: no; great would be cuhstummeyezahbull |
| 16:22.06 | mhall | c_k: because people can't get in without passive, which not everybody is capable of setting up |
| 16:22.10 | Muffie | odla, I'll try it! Send me a nice screenshot of your desktop. |
| 16:22.22 | flexy | hmmm. I got sources with apt-get sources vdr, configured, build and installed with debian/rules... but I've got no idea how to get .deb file out of these sources? |
| 16:22.24 | mindCtrl | thingfish: i dont have an internet connection at home. I only have disc 7 through 14 and only one blank cd so I wanted to just install the base system to get it up and running and add packages once i burn other cds. |
| 16:22.32 | mhall | c_k: if you do firewall it use IP Masquerading with FTP Connection Tracking |
| 16:22.39 | odla | Muffie: hold on a sec. |
| 16:22.40 | c_k | yes but if I have various rules to allow traffic with an implicit deny at the end then I have to make a change to allow ftp access dont I |
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| 16:22.58 | mhall | c_k: the other thing, firewalling servers is pretty stupid because you are trying to let people in |
| 16:23.09 | mhall | c_k: your best bet is disabling unneeded services |
| 16:23.09 | ganymed | btw, what is the second dvd for? |
| 16:23.16 | c_k | not everyone just the people that need it |
| 16:23.21 | mhall | ganymed: just more stuff that's less popular |
| 16:23.24 | thingfish | mindCtrl: I see. |
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| 16:23.27 | leOn | errr ... there's no long a /proc/pci ? |
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| 16:23.41 | mhall | c_k: can you use http instead? |
| 16:23.54 | mhall | leOn: lspci |
| 16:24.00 | c_k | not an option due to the applications running , I thought of that one :-) |
| 16:24.01 | stew | kombi: i don't see what you are referring to, only a buildpackage target |
| 16:24.35 | mhall | c_k: well use ipmasq with ftp connection tracking then |
| 16:24.38 | c_k | saying that its still not working very well |
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| 16:24.41 | mhall | c_k: that will allow active mode |
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| 16:24.49 | amaia | hello everyone |
| 16:24.49 | ganymed | do i need it. at home i have a modem (crying)... so i better download it? |
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| 16:24.54 | c_k | how does one go about getting that to work then...? not used that before |
| 16:24.59 | loxley_ | c_k: load ip_conntrack_ftp |
| 16:25.02 | amaia | as anyone installed pine on debian amd64? |
| 16:25.05 | mhall | ganymed: why are you even downloading full dvds in the first place |
| 16:25.08 | Ayman- | i see in the logs amavis[4599]: Module Mail::SpamAssassin 3.000003 , but amavis doesn't seem to check spam with spamassassin, what could be wrong |
| 16:25.15 | diana | What is the program to transfer files over ssh? |
| 16:25.21 | aquatix | scp |
| 16:25.22 | Ronin | diana: scp |
| 16:25.26 | thingfish | amaia: ask in #debian-amd64, maybe. |
| 16:25.26 | mhall | diana: scp / sftp / are you trolling? |
| 16:25.28 | diana | I thought so. |
| 16:25.37 | diana | sftp is what i was looking for. lol |
| 16:25.48 | amaia | txs |
| 16:25.49 | diana | I just couldn't remember the command because I haven't used it in a few years. |
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| 16:25.59 | mhall | diana: btw it goes faster with compression + blowfish |
| 16:26.06 | ganymed | because at home, where i wanna install etch, i have only a modem for my life necessary connection to the great world (like this channel, for example). |
| 16:26.42 | RichiH | mhall: then do so |
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| 16:26.54 | RichiH | you will need to ascii armor the data for scp, though |
| 16:26.58 | mhall | RichiH: yeah it will be funny |
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| 16:27.09 | diana | What is a good windows program to use for sftp? |
| 16:27.20 | mhall | diana: winscp.sf.net |
| 16:27.32 | mhall | diana: it does sftp too btw |
| 16:27.36 | Pryon | the putty download site probably has a good sftp client |
| 16:27.54 | mhall | diana: putty also has cli client but no autocomplete -> miserable |
| 16:28.26 | odla | Muffie: i sent it |
| 16:28.29 | mhall | diana: esp with how hard it is to cut-paste windows cli |
| 16:28.55 | _Sam-- | can someone point me in the right direction...im working on a solid state linux box and when the device is running i dont want any users or anyone to be able to see the filesystem...what is the best approach? |
| 16:29.39 | diesel | What is the command to setup apt repositories...I thought that it was apt-setup? |
| 16:29.41 | Pryon | what do you mean by "see the filesystem"? |
| 16:29.42 | mhall | _Sam--: ? |
| 16:29.49 | _Sam-- | well...when the root is mounted... |
| 16:29.54 | _Sam-- | i dont want them to be able to anything under / |
| 16:30.03 | _Sam-- | any structure, files, anything |
| 16:30.14 | Pryon | Is that possible? Is there a shell that would support that? |
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| 16:30.22 | ralfWORK | heh |
| 16:30.23 | ralfWORK | rbash |
| 16:30.35 | mhall | diesel: it is |
| 16:30.35 | ralfWORK | don't know that it would do everything you want though |
| 16:30.45 | mhall | diesel: but seems to be missing on my box |
| 16:30.51 | mhall | diesel: let me poke around |
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| 16:31.39 | ehn | is there a Right(tm) way to get debian installed with encrypted disk/fs? there are a lot of options (dm-crypt and loop-aes sound good), but the docs only talk about how to create an encrypted partition/block device/fs on an already running system. how to do it from scratch? |
| 16:31.52 | webwolf_27 | [error] VirtualHost vs160168.vserver.de:80 -- mixing * ports and non-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported, proceeding with undefined results in what .conf file do I need to look for the problem |
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| 16:32.12 | diesel | mhall: yeah, missing on my box as well |
| 16:32.14 | golan | Hi everybody |
| 16:32.22 | diana | ehn: no...it is all preference... some encryption algorithms are more cpu intensive, but smaller data etc etc etc |
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| 16:33.13 | golan | Guys, do you know any plain-PHP deb package to manage pictures inside a website? |
| 16:33.15 | ehn | diana: ok, that part i can figure out. but lets assume i pick one, dm-crypt for instance, can i get debian-installer to encrypt my partitions before i put anything on them? |
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| 16:33.40 | mhall | ehn: it's a bitch to set up any way you go |
| 16:33.52 | mhall | ehn: installers have not gotten around to supporting it |
| 16:33.54 | ehn | it seems pretty dumb to install the system and then having to create encrypted partitions and moving everything. |
| 16:33.57 | nandro | is azureus in the regular repositories? |
| 16:34.01 | leOn | okkkk... so now the M22 chip is addressed by the radeon driver and not the ati one ... |
| 16:34.05 | mhall | ehn: so you must set up the box and go around backwards |
| 16:34.07 | ehn | mhall: that's what i feared. :/ |
| 16:34.09 | strider | Anyone have problems with building the ipw2200-source ( using m-a ). It still requires hotplug! |
| 16:34.15 | leOn | weird part is that it worked better before |
| 16:34.20 | leOn | *sigh* |
| 16:34.30 | mhall | ehn: good news though is that knoppix supports loop aes |
| 16:34.36 | diana | ehn: I'm not sure but I would check the dm-crypt mailing list. |
| 16:34.42 | mhall | ehn: so you can use it to do the tweakology |
| 16:34.54 | diana | ehn: Most likely there will be coding involved and hacking up d-i |
| 16:35.00 | mhall | ehn: loop aes has a manual floating around with directions |
| 16:35.04 | diana | Unless the dm-crypt team already has a debian specific script. |
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| 16:35.37 | diana | I have debian etch installed on my box...and I have wake-on-lan support from my bios(Amibios 1.21.12)...how can I wake up my computer when it is off? |
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| 16:36.03 | mhall | diana: think you have got to send a packet to its mac address |
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| 16:36.16 | ehn | diana, mhall: thanks! maybe when etch is released, this will be easier... |
| 16:36.17 | mhall | diana: since it won't arp out it's ip when it's off |
| 16:36.20 | r0b0 | hi, I'm getting this message when updating in aptitude "GPG error: http://ftp.sk.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F" |
| 16:36.23 | mhall | ehn: not it won't |
| 16:36.29 | mhall | !tell r0b0 about 2006 key |
| 16:36.49 | r0b0 | mhall, thanks :) |
| 16:36.53 | mhall | r0b0: np! |
| 16:37.00 | pngwn | r0b0, /topic |
| 16:37.17 | ehn | diana: there are some tools here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN |
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| 16:37.32 | diesel | mhall, one more question...I messaged dpkg and did not get an answer |
| 16:37.40 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 16:37.41 | dpkg | hola, abrotman |
| 16:38.08 | abrotman | diesel: what did you msg the bot? |
| 16:38.24 | diesel | "/msg dpkg 2006 key" |
| 16:38.35 | abrotman | !tell diesel about 2006 key |
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| 16:38.37 | ehn | mhall: no plans to get this stuff into debian-installer for etch? |
| 16:38.47 | abrotman | !2006 key |
| 16:38.47 | dpkg | run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 16:38.51 | abrotman | oh .. doh |
| 16:39.01 | r0b0 | and it even works :) |
| 16:39.08 | abrotman | when i did it in msg .. it put a grin on the end .. making it look like a guy with a mohawk :) |
| 16:39.11 | mrjive | msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 16:39.13 | mrjive | ops |
| 16:40.07 | diana | "In order for a computer to support Wake-on-LAN, the motherboard must be connected to the network card via a special 3-pin cable, and Wake-on-LAN must be enabled in the Power Management section of the motherboard's BIOS." |
| 16:40.07 | r0b0 | diana, there is "wakeonlan" package in debian, so `aptitude install wakeonlan` |
| 16:40.18 | diana | What is a special 3-pin cable? cat5e works? |
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| 16:40.31 | leOn | diana, nothing like that |
| 16:40.31 | r0b0 | diana, the motherboard must be connected to the network card via a special 3-pin cable |
| 16:40.40 | mindCtrl | dpkg a bot that... ? Whats dpkg purpose on as a bot on irc? How can i use it? |
| 16:40.49 | mhall | diesel: alright i figured it out |
| 16:40.51 | jberg | how can i do apt-cache search and search for a package that's in testing when im using stable now? |
| 16:40.53 | wedge | !dpkg purpose? |
| 16:40.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, purpose is to give a general knowledge of the world in which we live. In |
| 16:40.54 | mhall | diesel: it's in base-config package |
| 16:40.58 | leOn | it's a small cable usually provided by the nic manufacturer |
| 16:41.03 | diesel | mhall: awe, thanks |
| 16:41.07 | mhall | ehn: no probably not, it's not standard shit |
| 16:41.28 | leOn | diana is the nic on-board ? |
| 16:41.35 | r0b0 | diana, cat5e connect network card to the switch |
| 16:41.40 | mhall | diesel: no a cable inside t3h b0x |
| 16:41.41 | diana | leOn: yes |
| 16:41.54 | leOn | nevermind that cable then |
| 16:42.05 | leOn | just check for the options in the bios |
| 16:42.07 | mhall | diana: yeah try apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search apt-setup |
| 16:42.11 | mhall | ack shit |
| 16:42.14 | diana | Do I need to setup the ip and dhcp info in my bios...all I did was set wakeonlan to "enabled" in my bios.. and set it for "any key" |
| 16:42.22 | mhall | diesel: yeah try apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search apt-setup |
| 16:42.45 | ehn | mhall: yeah, probably partly because it's such a bitch to setup. :) seems like something anyone would want on a laptop. |
| 16:42.47 | r0b0 | diana, then "it should just work" |
| 16:42.53 | mhall | diana: wakeonlan - Sends 'magic packets' to wake-on-LAN enabled ethernet adapters |
| 16:43.10 | mhall | diana: i take it there is some sort of packet that needs to be sent to its mac address |
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| 16:43.12 | cyzie | is it possible if user enter somethign on the web page, then the page capture what user type and send the content to bash for processing? if can, what language can accomplish this? |
| 16:43.13 | r0b0 | diana, did you send the magic packet to that machine from another machine? |
| 16:43.18 | mhall | ehn: i sure want it on mine |
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| 16:43.22 | diana | What is the best way to connect two computers with no network or anything...just via dhcp |
| 16:43.41 | GyrosGeier | diana, WOL works by pulling standby power to the card (as the PCI bus is not powered). The card can only receive, not send in this mode, as the power is not sufficient, but it will react to a packet with six times its MAC address in a row |
| 16:43.48 | mhall | ehn: i've been meaning to set it up but first i have to dump a backup tarball onto my desktop which could not accompany me on christmas vacation from school |
| 16:44.31 | john_do1 | diana: dhcp without network? |
| 16:44.34 | diana | r0b0: yes |
| 16:44.41 | afabian | Hm. I tried Enlightenment on sarge, and it crashes (segfaults) every time I try to access Debian's Applications->Net menu. Is this a known bug? I tried looking at the bug tracking DB, but none of them looked exactly like this bug, and it's a relatively high visibility thing, so it might have something to do with my configuration. |
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| 16:44.46 | ehn | mhall: yeah, that's exactly the part i'd like to avoid by doing it before i put anything on the machine. right now the disk is blank (as blan as thinkpad disks ever get). |
| 16:44.47 | ratacusbear | hi all |
| 16:44.52 | r0b0 | diana, and it didn't wake up, right? |
| 16:44.57 | diana | I have my laptop plugged into my desktop..and there are no other network cables connecting to anything else... I want to use my laptop to wake on lan my desktop. |
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| 16:45.07 | diana | I tried to wake on lan from work...and it didn't work. |
| 16:45.17 | ratacusbear | mozilla and konqueror keep segfaulting when browsing ebay |
| 16:45.22 | ratacusbear | any ideas? |
| 16:45.27 | diana | But now I want to connect my laptop and my desktop..but I'm not sure how..should I setup dhcp on my laptop? |
| 16:45.31 | Ronin | stay off ebay |
| 16:45.35 | r0b0 | diana, how exactly did you send the packets? paste the command line |
| 16:45.36 | ratacusbear | yes... |
| 16:45.41 | ratacusbear | very helpful -_- |
| 16:45.44 | afabian | ratacusbear: What mozilla? |
| 16:45.52 | ehn | dina: you shouldn't need ip for wake-on-lan. |
| 16:45.53 | ratacusbear | firefox |
| 16:46.04 | ehn | any ethernet frame containing the magic string will do. |
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| 16:46.14 | afabian | ratacusbear: 1.0.4, 1.0.7, 1.5.x? Bundled in sarge, or etch, etc? |
| 16:46.16 | stew | ratacusbear: maybe something like a flash ad making the flash plugin die on both or something similar? |
| 16:46.39 | r0b0 | diana, and about the IP configuration, can you set up fixed addresses on the two boxes? |
| 16:46.48 | diana | r0b0: http://www.matcode.com/wol.htm is what i used. |
| 16:47.04 | mhall | ehn: thing is, it's not security problem as long as you don't have interesting shit on the disk yet |
| 16:47.12 | samuel | sup all |
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| 16:47.43 | r0b0 | diana, and you are sure that you put correct MAC address there? |
| 16:48.01 | diana | r0b0: yes |
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| 16:48.16 | leOn | diana, is the laptop connected directly by a single cable to the desktop ? |
| 16:48.21 | nextime | happy new year all |
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| 16:48.33 | rage_ | people where i can download e17 backgrounds???? |
| 16:48.49 | r0b0 | rage_, on #e17 |
| 16:48.53 | jbroome | OMG TEH INTERWEB! |
| 16:48.56 | mhall | diana: is the adapter cabled to the mobo |
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| 16:49.02 | mhall | jbroome: really? where? |
| 16:49.05 | yanis | hello |
| 16:49.07 | rage_ | thanks |
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| 16:49.15 | mhall | rage_: ECHAN |
| 16:49.44 | ehn | mhall: sure, but it's a lot harder to move *everything* over to an encrypted partition afterwords. maybe you don't need /usr to be encrypted, but then you're starting to second-guess where sensitive stuff might go (and what might be sensitive in any given situation). for sure you'd want /home, /etc, /var, /tmp and swap to be encrypted. |
| 16:49.48 | Pingy | jbroome, what interweb?! where?! |
| 16:49.49 | yanis | I installed xserver to an 'server install' ubuntu but some vital components are missing. for example when I startX It doesnt run XDM....shouldnt all these be just ok? |
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| 16:50.02 | ehn | mhall: but it seems easier to just encrypt everything and not having to worry. |
| 16:50.07 | Ronin | yanis: ubuntu? arent you in the wrong channel then? |
| 16:50.29 | r0b0 | yanis, startx is not supposed to start xdm |
| 16:50.35 | Pingy | how many people come here with ubuntu questions? |
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| 16:50.44 | diana | leOn: yes |
| 16:50.47 | diana | r0b0: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/xg5N4A59.html |
| 16:50.49 | jbroome | Pingy: too many |
| 16:50.52 | Pingy | :O |
| 16:50.52 | Ronin | Pingy: more then those who ask debian questions it seems some days |
| 16:50.56 | leOn | diana, is that cable a crossed cable? |
| 16:51.11 | afabian | !knoppix-barbie |
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| 16:51.21 | diana | leOn: I'm on the internet now..but I'm going to disconnect and plug this cat5 cable plugged into my laptop into the desktop...but I'm not sure how to connect them. |
| 16:51.22 | afabian | blast. can't remember the hook. |
| 16:51.29 | diana | It's a cat5e cable. |
| 16:51.32 | afabian | !knoppix barbie |
| 16:51.50 | mhall | ehn: you want everything encrypted |
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| 16:51.54 | r0b0 | diana, and what is that? a log of someone installing dhcp server? what does that have to do with wake on lan? |
| 16:51.59 | yanis | r0b0: is there any way in a Xserver-less installation to install some packages and then have a complete x-server-system? |
| 16:51.59 | mhall | ehn: and you don't want a lot of partitions |
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| 16:52.07 | mhall | ehn: you want swap and / for this project |
| 16:52.11 | leOn | diana, in order to directly connect two computers without the aid of a hub or switch, you must use a crossed cable |
| 16:52.18 | GyrosGeier | yanis, sure |
| 16:52.24 | mhall | ehn: it's just, this stuff is not standard because people are stupid and do not care about it |
| 16:52.29 | yanis | GyrosGeier: howW?????????????????????????// |
| 16:52.32 | mhall | ehn: which is to say they should but they don't |
| 16:52.42 | mhall | ehn: until they do you are pretty much SOL |
| 16:52.49 | afabian | diana: Unless they're Macs. Or the network cards are auto-switching. But don't count on it. You probably need a cross-over cable. |
| 16:52.53 | kombi | leOn: not with modern NICs actually |
| 16:52.53 | yanis | GyrosGeier: I did apt-get install xserver-xorg but didnt work.. |
| 16:52.59 | r0b0 | yanis, aptitude install x-window-system |
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| 16:53.03 | GyrosGeier | yanis, you want xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg, and probably xfonts-base, xfonts-75dpi and/or xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-scalable |
| 16:53.15 | mhall | afabian: esp for a dodgy feature like WOL |
| 16:53.25 | Estes2 | Hahahaha |
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| 16:53.27 | Estes2 | he pm'ed me |
| 16:53.29 | linuxisgay | debian linux sucks |
| 16:53.34 | linuxisgay | i prefer windows |
| 16:53.40 | mhall | !ops get rid of linuxisgay |
| 16:53.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: get rid of linuxisgay |
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| 16:53.42 | Ronin | good for you linuxisgay |
| 16:53.42 | RichiH | yah |
| 16:53.45 | afabian | linuxisgay: so do you. you don't see us in your living room complaining. |
| 16:53.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*n=None@*.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] by RichiH |
| 16:53.46 | *** kick/#debian [linuxisgay!i=richih@freenode/staff/richih] by RichiH (RichiH) |
| 16:54.07 | LostFrog | I'm sorry.. I think he followed me from ##linux. |
| 16:54.10 | mhall | linuxisgay: lol stfu pls kthx |
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| 16:54.15 | mhall | RichiH: thanks |
| 16:54.18 | RichiH | LostFrog: and i follow him to ##linux |
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| 16:54.21 | RichiH | np |
| 16:54.37 | mhall | Estes2: who? |
| 16:54.47 | Estes2 | mhall, linuxisgay |
| 16:54.50 | yanis | r0b0: there is no package called x-window-system |
| 16:54.55 | mhall | Estes2: what a fucker |
| 16:55.00 | kracho | haha lol |
| 16:55.01 | Estes2 | telling he got an aol account and that's certainly the best isp ever |
| 16:55.18 | Estes2 | just a troller... |
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| 16:55.21 | mhall | Estes2: obv. a troll; he's too n00b to be real |
| 16:55.23 | Estes2 | back to work ;) |
| 16:55.30 | r0b0 | yanis, oh, there is. in debian. don't know about ubuntu though |
| 16:55.32 | stew | yanis: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:55.35 | leOn | yup ... probably just someone on acid... =P |
| 16:55.50 | Estes2 | mhall, i deal with users at times.... too noob to be real doesn't exist |
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| 16:56.05 | Estes2 | I see dumb people |
| 16:56.07 | yanis | stew: ubuntu 5.10 :/ |
| 16:56.10 | mhall | odd ooo 2.x.x is eating 100% of cpu |
| 16:56.38 | afabian | I'm teaching my mother how to use a computer. You'd think that 1985-style window drag, resize, and scroll-bars were rocket-science. |
| 16:56.39 | Ronin | yanis: you try #ubuntu |
| 16:56.55 | r0b0 | yanis, we are not telling you to go to #ubuntu for no reason, man |
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| 16:57.10 | yanis | GyrosGeier: I have ALL these packages you refered but it doesnt work right.. |
| 16:57.15 | r0b0 | yanis, or just for the sake of it. |
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| 16:57.22 | yanis | ok r0b0 Ronin |
| 16:57.40 | _Sam-- | anyone speak german? there is a public beta of a firmware i need on a german website...but i cant register to download it because i dont know german |
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| 16:57.45 | _Sam-- | er wrong win |
| 16:57.47 | r0b0 | yanis, ubuntu and debian are not the same and our advices might not work there |
| 16:58.14 | r0b0 | aaargh. whatever... bye |
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| 16:58.25 | yanis | r0b0: you're right |
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| 16:59.14 | LostFrog | _Sam--: babelfish? |
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| 17:00.24 | nuambenzina | dose debian have a site like www.freshports.org (on bsd) |
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| 17:01.15 | mhall | afabian: yeah my parents are barely capable of windows |
| 17:01.18 | nuambenzina | i wish to install a dc++ or a dc_gui or a valknut and I don`t have any ideea how to |
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| 17:01.43 | mhall | nuambenzina: good luck; the linux ones are broken for me |
| 17:01.43 | azeem | nuambenzina: what's a dc++? |
| 17:01.57 | mhall | azeem: 1337h4x0r d0wnl0ad app |
| 17:02.03 | bibe | this can be a little OT, please excuse me if it is really OT : how can a kernel option (IPW2200_MONITOR) exist but cannot be set from make menuconfig? Is it a common situation? |
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| 17:02.09 | nuambenzina | is a direct connect client , data share with hubs |
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| 17:02.13 | mhall | azeem: for all one's w4r3z1nG n33dZ d00d! |
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| 17:02.33 | nuambenzina | is laike eMule or aMule |
| 17:02.36 | mhall | bibe: trivial! |
| 17:02.45 | nuambenzina | but we use it here in local network |
| 17:02.46 | GyrosGeier | bibe, yes |
| 17:02.58 | GyrosGeier | bibe, a lot of options are like that |
| 17:03.13 | mhall | bibe: Main Menu --> Code Maturity Level Options |
| 17:03.23 | mhall | bibe: and there are other reasons but that's the most common |
| 17:03.26 | stew | is ipw2200 now in the mainline kernel? |
| 17:03.44 | mhall | stew: think i saw it in netdev for 2.6.15 |
| 17:03.50 | bibe | mhall m GyrosGeier : thanks. I just didn't know |
| 17:03.59 | nuambenzina | mhall what si broken for you ? i don`t understand what are y tryng to sugest |
| 17:04.06 | mhall | stew: but i was busy setting up bcm43xx h4x0r1z3d driver |
| 17:04.20 | mhall | nuambenzina: the dc clients; none of them works completely right |
| 17:04.35 | bibe | stew : ipw2200 has been introduced in 2.6.14 (but no monitor mode, because the version included was very old). 2.6.15 ships the latest version |
| 17:04.35 | mhall | nuambenzina: the one that worked the best shared my whole homedir without permission (! ack !) |
| 17:05.49 | nuambenzina | in window$ i have everthing shared , i have just to boot it , so i`m not afraid/i don`t care if :) |
| 17:06.13 | mhall | nuambenzina: wtf did you want the linux client for then |
| 17:06.37 | nuambenzina | to watch a movie xxx |
| 17:06.54 | nuambenzina | i didn`t belived y wanna to hear that but y asked :) |
| 17:07.06 | nuambenzina | and it`s the truth |
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| 17:08.23 | kombi | on an all normal testing box, do I need ramdisk in the kernel? |
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| 17:09.18 | takatumi | kombi: initrd? |
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| 17:09.32 | kombi | takatumi: that's my question. |
| 17:09.41 | CapNemo | re saintshakajin |
| 17:09.58 | kombi | takatumi: I allway thought you do need it.. |
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| 17:10.18 | ehn | mhall: unless i quickly figure out how d-i works and fix it. :) |
| 17:10.30 | ehn | mhall: and you'd probably want /boot unencrypted. |
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| 17:10.45 | mhall | ehn: no you don't want that unencrypted; major security risk |
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| 17:10.59 | SNow | how could I set a new mysql password of root |
| 17:11.01 | mhall | _rene__: greetings |
| 17:11.02 | SNow | i have just installed it |
| 17:11.10 | takatumi | kombi: /msg dpkg norootfs |
| 17:11.16 | mhall | ehn: because if that's not encrypted, people could backdoor the whole box |
| 17:11.20 | ehn | mhall: but how can the machine boot if it can't load the kernel? should grub be able to decrypt the disk? |
| 17:11.35 | mhall | ehn: loopaes has instructions |
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| 17:12.22 | ehn | mhall: ok, i'll go read. :) |
| 17:12.41 | diana_ | I have my laptop plugged into my desktop via cat5e cable(directly plugged in...one wired from the back of my laptop going directly into my desktop) how can I connect these two computers via crossover cable? |
| 17:12.45 | kombi | takatumi: my new kernel tells me, there is no ramdisk generation tool on this box, do I need to install that? |
| 17:12.47 | ehn | mhall: are you saying loop-aes is the way to go, not dm-crypt (or something else)? |
| 17:12.55 | mhall | ehn: nothing of the sort |
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| 17:13.12 | mhall | ehn: all i'm saying is, that's what i used, and i know therefore that they have directions that work |
| 17:13.18 | takatumi | kombi: yaird? |
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| 17:13.21 | ehn | mhall: ok. |
| 17:13.27 | mhall | ehn: i'd assume dm-crypt also has some kind of instructions on making crypto initrds |
| 17:13.37 | takatumi | kombi: but why do you need initrd? |
| 17:13.40 | mhall | ehn: to be honest with you i have not made crypto initrds just yet |
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| 17:13.57 | mhall | ehn: because i have not cryptoed my laptop because it's just 2 weeks old |
| 17:14.03 | kombi | takatumi: ;) |
| 17:14.06 | tyler_ | anyone can help me.. i install gift p2p.. but cannot connect to the networks? why? |
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| 17:14.17 | mhall | ehn: and on my desktop it's physically secure so i only cryptoed the critical stuff |
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| 17:14.27 | mhall | tyler_: use a real multiplatform protocol like bittorrent |
| 17:14.30 | takatumi | kombi: I got rid of mine as soon as I could. |
| 17:14.39 | mopatop | my god is gift still running? |
| 17:14.44 | mhall | tyler_: and i'm not trying to troll either |
| 17:14.53 | mhall | tyler_: this is from experience |
| 17:14.57 | mopatop | I remember using that during the OpenFT days |
| 17:15.14 | takatumi | tyler_: try #gift read the docs, your error is explained. |
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| 17:19.21 | mhall | what's the command to find the owner of a conf file on my box? |
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| 17:19.24 | tyler_ | takatumi,m can u help? |
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| 17:19.31 | mhall | KerPlunk: Yer sunk! |
| 17:19.50 | stew | mhall: maybe grep filename /var/lib/dpkg/info/*conffiles |
| 17:19.56 | foo | I'm going to be installing the newest version of kismet. My question is, what is the best way to do it? apt-get with unstable sources? (currently on testing), or build from source/ |
| 17:20.01 | mhall | tyler_: if you want to steal stuff off teh intarweb do it yourself |
| 17:20.12 | Shad0wcat | foo: do you need the latest version of kismet? |
| 17:20.29 | foo | Shad0wcat: Yes. |
| 17:20.35 | stew | foo: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:21.34 | stew | foo: or check backports.org to see if someone else already backported it |
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| 17:22.26 | foo | stew: I think I can do this. /me tries |
| 17:22.40 | KerPlunk | How do I connect two computers with one cable?... I have debian etch on two computers...and I just want to connect them...I have the cable plugged into my laptop and then directly goes into the back of the desktop... I have dhcp installed on my laptop. |
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| 17:22.44 | azeem | foo: are you sure the versions in testing and unstable are different? |
| 17:22.44 | KerPlunk | But it doesn't work. |
| 17:22.51 | foo | azeem: No |
| 17:22.53 | KerPlunk | When I plugin the cable the desktop says "link up" |
| 17:23.04 | nuambenzina | how can i find a package ? |
| 17:23.15 | Shad0wcat | !info kismet testing |
| 17:23.16 | stew | nuambenzina: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:23.24 | dpkg | kismet: (Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool), section net, is optional. Version: 2005.08.R1-1.2 (etch), Packaged size: 932 kB, Installed size: 2416 kB |
| 17:23.31 | Shad0wcat | !info kismet unstable |
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| 17:23.40 | dpkg | kismet: (Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool), section net, is optional. Version: 2005.08.R1-1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 932 kB, Installed size: 2416 kB |
| 17:23.46 | Shad0wcat | apparently not |
| 17:23.52 | foo | hmm. weird, I didn't have that version |
| 17:24.05 | stew | foo: apt-cache policy kismet |
| 17:24.14 | azeem | [2005-12-11] kismet 2005.08.R1-1.2 MIGRATED to testing (Britney) |
| 17:24.16 | SimonRaven | !tell nuambenzina -about search |
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| 17:24.32 | stew | azeem: where are you reading logs of britney? |
| 17:24.39 | foo | 2005.08.R1-1.2 0 and 2005.04.R1-2 0 |
| 17:24.42 | foo | stew: ^^ |
| 17:24.44 | azeem | they are on http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kismet.html for a while now |
| 17:24.48 | azeem | stew: ^^ |
| 17:24.50 | foo | That's what I have in the version table. |
| 17:24.51 | stew | foo: apt-get install kismet |
| 17:24.55 | stew | azeem: thanks |
| 17:24.56 | nuambenzina | no no, i wanna find packets on internet to apt-get install |
| 17:25.07 | nuambenzina | i mean i don`t know their names |
| 17:25.09 | SimonRaven | !tell nuambenzina -about search |
| 17:25.31 | foo | stew: ah, thanks. |
| 17:25.37 | SimonRaven | www.debian.org and packages.debian.org are on the intarweb |
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| 17:25.42 | odla | damn firefox 1.5...crashes all the tiem |
| 17:25.44 | Shad0wcat | intarweb? |
| 17:25.50 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 17:25.53 | Shad0wcat | what is this intarweb you are talking about |
| 17:25.58 | Shad0wcat | I am not familiar with it :P |
| 17:26.17 | SimonRaven | this, you know, thing, that does stuff |
| 17:26.23 | stew | nuambenzina: what do you know about the pacakges, you can search by keyword with "apt-cache search keyword" or search by a file with apt-file /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 17:26.33 | mhall | KerPlunk: easiest method is to wire up a crossover cable then use static addresses 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2 |
| 17:26.36 | Shad0wcat | for example |
| 17:26.37 | stew | nuambenzina: or you can browse installable pacakges with aptitude |
| 17:26.39 | Shad0wcat | apt-cache search stew |
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| 17:26.57 | nuambenzina | http://packages.debian.org find it thx |
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| 17:27.16 | KerPlunk | What is the best way to set a static ip in debian etch? |
| 17:27.20 | mhall | nuambenzina: pdo is down i thought |
| 17:27.25 | mhall | KerPlunk: man interfaces |
| 17:27.28 | stew | KerPlunk: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
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| 17:28.19 | SimonRaven | be more appropriate doing 'echo salam | wall;' |
| 17:28.23 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 17:28.33 | victor_debiean | hello |
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| 17:30.01 | KerPlunk | stew: What should I put for the netmask and gateway? |
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| 17:30.17 | KerPlunk | stew: I just want to directly connect my laptop and desktop...via crossover cable. |
| 17:30.30 | KerPlunk | But I don't know what to ssh to.. like ssh desktop |
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| 17:30.53 | Jmax | can anyone help with a firefox fonts issue? |
| 17:30.57 | mhall | KerPlunk: netmask 255.255.255.0 ; gateway is not esp. needed |
| 17:31.01 | mhall | !tell Jmax about ask |
| 17:31.03 | victor_debiean | i have lost my network card eth0 |
| 17:31.04 | CptS | hi, how do i use a file with an ".sh" extension |
| 17:31.13 | stew | KerPlunk: if the two machines are just going to be on a network by themselves, you don't need a gateway, and the netmask just needs to agree between the two machines and include the two machines |
| 17:31.22 | stew | KerPlunk: what is the ip addresses you are using for the two machines? |
| 17:31.24 | mhall | CptS: that's a shell script; commands for a shall |
| 17:31.34 | mhall | CptS: read it in a text editor and see what shell to run it with |
| 17:31.38 | vosti | CptS, change persmission and the ./filename, or bash filename |
| 17:31.50 | mhall | CptS: you can also apt-get install file; file <whatever>.sh |
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| 17:32.04 | CptS | mhall: vosti : so i just run it? - go to shell and sudo ./filename.sh? |
| 17:32.19 | mhall | CptS: no don't run a script as root without reading it first |
| 17:32.33 | mhall | CptS: you better look through it and see what is inside |
| 17:32.36 | CptS | mhall: it's openoffice.. |
| 17:32.45 | vosti | CptS, if x permission are set yes, but as mhall said, don't run as root |
| 17:32.47 | mhall | CptS: why are you running a script to get openoffice? |
| 17:32.54 | mhall | CptS: that's included in debian |
| 17:32.57 | stew | CptS: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:33.05 | CptS | mhall: it's localized to my language.. |
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| 17:33.15 | Jmax | okay |
| 17:33.15 | mhall | CptS: debian includes localization packages too |
| 17:33.28 | stew | CptS: which language? |
| 17:33.29 | rip | how can I remove a directory? I tryed to rm as root but I couldn't remove the directory I wanted |
| 17:33.40 | CptS | mhall: it went out yesterday.. so i doubt if there's a package. |
| 17:33.45 | CptS | stew: hebrew. |
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| 17:34.06 | mhall | CptS: ah yeah hebrew would be pretty new wouldn't it |
| 17:34.13 | mhall | CptS: might ask #debian-oo |
| 17:34.15 | Jmax | on my firefox 1.5.dfsg-3 fonts have been "wierd" and not rendering as webpages are tellign them to |
| 17:34.21 | mhall | _rene___: is the hebrew l10n for ooo out yet? |
| 17:34.23 | stew | !info openoffice.org-l10n-he |
| 17:34.23 | vosti | rip, man rm...anyhow, rm -r |
| 17:34.27 | CptS | stew: deb version - latest unstable. |
| 17:34.27 | stew | CptS: what version of debian? |
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| 17:34.47 | Jmax | see: http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wtf2oe.png |
| 17:34.51 | _rene___ | mhall: I don't know of any. 2.0.x isn't complete upstream, so... |
| 17:34.58 | mhall | _rene___: openoffice.org-l10n-he exists apparently |
| 17:35.02 | _rene___ | mhall: if you know something else, tell me :) |
| 17:35.06 | mhall | CptS: try the openoffice.org-l10n-he package |
| 17:35.12 | _rene___ | 1.1.x only |
| 17:35.16 | dongysh | which apt source have openoffice2? |
| 17:35.17 | CptS | mhall: it's a joint operation between the state of israel and openoffice org. they distribute it as an sh package. |
| 17:35.27 | mhall | _rene___: ah, CptS says it came out yesterday or something |
| 17:35.38 | mhall | CptS: _rene___ is OOO dev, might tell him about it |
| 17:35.38 | rip | cool thx vosti |
| 17:35.47 | _rene___ | then he should tell me where I get it |
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| 17:35.50 | CptS | mhall: i currently run on 1.1 so i need to remove and re-install... no upgrade. |
| 17:35.53 | _rene___ | I need the GSI |
| 17:36.05 | mhall | CptS: tell _rene___ where to get it too |
| 17:36.15 | Jmax | this happened since i installed k3b (and all kde deps) and hasn't gone aways ince removal of it... it's for all users |
| 17:36.15 | mhall | CptS: that way you won't have to use sh file anymore |
| 17:36.27 | _rene___ | dongysh: official? testing and unstable |
| 17:36.34 | CptS | _rene___: what are you looking for.. sorry.. i didn't read your lines.. |
| 17:36.35 | _rene___ | dongysh: semi-official: backports.org for stable |
| 17:36.56 | _rene___ | mhall tells me you have a hebrew translation for 2.x? |
| 17:36.59 | mhall | CptS: tell him where to get the hebrew stuff so he can try to make it available |
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| 17:37.20 | _rene___ | I need the GSI, then I can enable it in the debian packages, too |
| 17:37.24 | CptS | _rene___: http://www.openoffice.org.il/ there's an RPM and a debian .sh package. |
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| 17:37.40 | _rene___ | I need the source... |
| 17:37.48 | _rene___ | I can't do anything with binaries |
| 17:38.01 | _rene___ | and I can't read hebrew... |
| 17:38.12 | mhall | _rene___: i'm hunting for it |
| 17:38.21 | _rene___ | so if you would give me GSI file/sdf file it would be fine |
| 17:38.37 | CptS | _rene___: i think they have some source pkgs there too.. |
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| 17:38.58 | _rene___ | yes, but as said, I can't read hebrew |
| 17:39.01 | mhall | CptS: we can't read the hebrew |
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| 17:39.09 | CptS | ooohhhh... |
| 17:39.18 | _rene___ | the only word is shalom, and that only in the latin transcription ;-) |
| 17:39.25 | mhall | CptS: you are talking with an american and a german :-) |
| 17:39.26 | CptS | sec.. i'll link you directly with translatio.. :) |
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| 17:40.18 | stew | http://openoffice.org.il/download/OOo_Hebrew_CVS.tar.gz maybe/ |
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| 17:40.37 | CptS | _rene___: http://openoffice.org.il/download/Linux/http://openoffice.org.il/download/Linux/OOo_2.0_linux_install_he_deb.sh <- this is the debian pack |
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| 17:41.12 | _rene_ | CptS: again, I need the source. binaries are useless for adding the lang to the official debian packages... |
| 17:41.22 | stew | my url looks like 1.1 |
| 17:41.30 | _rene_ | CptS: and that's the installset (i.e. the binaries) |
| 17:41.55 | stew | someone should send a pack or ravenous RMSs after them demanding sourcecode |
| 17:41.56 | CptS | _rene__: sorry.. i'm quite the newbie. |
| 17:42.06 | CptS | _rene__: maybe this would fit: http://openoffice.org.il/download/OOo_Hebrew_CVS.tar.gz ? |
| 17:42.10 | saintshakajin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:42.43 | _rene_ | CptS: see what stew said... |
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| 17:43.14 | CptS | _rene_: so, does it fit? |
| 17:43.25 | stew | CptS: no, the CVS tarbal is 1.1 not 2.0 |
| 17:43.50 | _rene_ | of course not. because it's 1.1.x |
| 17:43.55 | _rene_ | and 1.1.x is obsolete |
| 17:44.01 | _rene_ | and unmaintained |
| 17:44.06 | _rene_ | except for security in stable |
| 17:44.25 | _rene_ | but I am just downloading to check myself.. |
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| 17:44.58 | CptS | _rene_: mailto:yba@tkos.co.il <- maybe you can email them? i can send an email but i don't know what to ask for. |
| 17:45.01 | cmatheson_ | how am i supposed to analyze core files? |
| 17:45.14 | mhall | _rene_: it seems like the installset is however called OOo_2.0_linux_install_he_deb.sh |
| 17:45.24 | mhall | _rene_: which would imply that they are using 2.x.x |
| 17:45.33 | _rene_ | yeah... |
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| 17:45.51 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 17:45.57 | CptS | mhall: it's based on 2.0.. |
| 17:45.58 | mhall | _rene_: however why they can't provide it as normal god damn l10n files is beyond me |
| 17:46.06 | DevilChaos | here i am once agian in damn winblows |
| 17:46.14 | kreg_work | someone know a url or a howto on setting up sshd_config for use with keys? rather then an overall everything about ssh howto ? |
| 17:46.23 | mhall | _rene_: could they possibly have made it any harder or more complex to support? |
| 17:46.36 | _rene_ | the problem is that they don't *have to* give you the source with 2.0.0... |
| 17:46.39 | DevilChaos | anyone here use nvidia graphics i had to change my ati gave out |
| 17:46.41 | CptS | mhall: it's a project funded by the government.. i guess they keep the source code to themselves for now. |
| 17:46.41 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 17:46.53 | DevilChaos | having problems with the drivers |
| 17:46.57 | _rene_ | mhall: and OOo doesn't use .po files anyway |
| 17:47.13 | CptS | mhall: but they did publish the old source files. |
| 17:47.19 | _rene_ | mhall: and they could have taken the SISSL option which allows them to keep the binaries |
| 17:47.23 | _rene_ | err. the source |
| 17:47.35 | _rene_ | is that installset 2.0.0 or 2.0.1? |
| 17:47.49 | _rene_ | but even then it's LGPL-only... |
| 17:48.08 | CptS | _rene_: i think it.s 2.0.0 |
| 17:48.39 | DevilChaos | i think i should stick with ati but wondered if anyone here could help me iv trawled through faqs the xorg site and nvidia site aswellas forums |
| 17:49.07 | mhall | _rene_: all well and good, but hinders their goal of making hebrew ooo highly available |
| 17:49.30 | DevilChaos | if not doesnt matter ill buy new ati tommorrow and sell this on e-bay |
| 17:49.33 | _rene_ | not if everyone gets it from them. ;/ |
| 17:49.35 | CptS | can someone help me configure an old sound card? |
| 17:49.49 | saintshakajin | alsaconf? |
| 17:49.53 | _rene_ | but they also violate licenses anyway... |
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| 17:49.59 | _rene_ | they link with hspell which is GPL.... |
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| 17:50.13 | DevilChaos | my screen goes blank when x getts started |
| 17:50.15 | DevilChaos | ? |
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| 17:50.21 | _rene_ | so their OOo must be GPL then... |
| 17:50.22 | DevilChaos | any ideas? |
| 17:50.31 | saintshakajin | for OOo2, you can download tarball from OOo website and convert rpm with alien, I haven't installed my deb but normally it works |
| 17:50.43 | DevilChaos | no error or warning messages |
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| 17:51.01 | CptS | saintshakajin: which pkg is alsaconf part of? i apt-get alsa-util and it's not there.. |
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| 17:51.23 | saintshakajin | alsa-utils |
| 17:51.25 | saintshakajin | yeah |
| 17:51.43 | stew | saintshakajin: they are talking specifically about finding source for the hebrew translation, rpm doesn't ahve the source. otherwise, for any other translation, it would be apt-gettable, no need for alien |
| 17:51.44 | michael | in order to use a kernel-patch package, for example grsecurity, I need to compile the kernel myself right? |
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| 17:51.54 | CptS | saintshakajin: for some reason alsaconf doesn't run. |
| 17:51.56 | hans0lo | How would I convert OpenOffice docs to PDF from the command-line? |
| 17:51.58 | Jmax | i have been having an issue with firefox fonts... http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wtf2oe.png this happened since i installed k3b (and all kde deps) and hasn't gone aways ince removal of it... it's for all users |
| 17:52.04 | K01 | hi |
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| 17:52.19 | stew | CptS: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 17:53.32 | DevilChaos | anyone help me with nvidia probs plz? |
| 17:53.34 | hans0lo | JmaxL are you referring to the javascript errors? The fonts look fine to me |
| 17:53.46 | _rene_ | mhall: so strictly speaking, their OOo is GPLed |
| 17:53.47 | saintshakajin | stew: i've downloaded OOo2 (2.0.1) in french and, convert the rpm, before it works, no I don't know, because I don't have yet time to install it :( but, sources in tar.gz, it's a very good question |
| 17:53.49 | stew | DevilChaos: if you have a specific question, just ask it |
| 17:54.04 | saintshakajin | look at the link from gentoo no? bad idea? |
| 17:54.04 | diana_ | auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address 96.96.96.96 (newline)(tab) netmask 255.255.255.255 |
| 17:54.14 | _rene_ | at least at the 1.1.x times they included hspell source / libhspell.a in their "source" |
| 17:54.14 | stew | saintshakajin: why would you download an rpm instead of just using apt-get to install it? |
| 17:54.22 | diana_ | stew: What is wrong with that? |
| 17:54.32 | Jmax | hans0lo, no, they're broken alright |
| 17:54.34 | diana_ | stew: I get an error about interfaces failing when I boot. |
| 17:54.34 | saintshakajin | CptS: have you installed alsa-base alsa-utils? |
| 17:54.36 | Jmax | hans0lo, sec |
| 17:54.43 | CptS | saintshakajin: i'm checking now.. |
| 17:55.08 | DevilChaos | i did earlier my screen goes blank when the xserver is started and thats it dont know what to do now |
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| 17:55.22 | saintshakajin | stew: because, 2.0.1 and directly in french, with apt-get, I install 2.0.0 in english + locale, it's bigger |
| 17:55.23 | DevilChaos | i think i should stick with ati but wondered if anyone here could help me iv trawled through faqs the xorg site and nvidia site aswellas forums |
| 17:55.23 | stew | diana_: the only possible problems i see with that are 1) netmask 255.255.255.255 means you won't be able to talk to any other computers and 2) you don't specify a gateway so you won't be able to talk to the internet |
| 17:55.34 | dongysh | chose proper video chip |
| 17:55.36 | saintshakajin | it's only for that reason stew |
| 17:55.39 | stew | diana_: can you run "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" and show us the output? |
| 17:55.39 | dongysh | and revolution |
| 17:55.49 | diana_ | stew: I don't want to talk to the internet...I just want to directly connect my laptop to my desktop. |
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| 17:55.54 | Petaris | Hello |
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| 17:56.07 | mhall | saintshakajin: or you can get the real version from backports |
| 17:56.14 | mhall | saintshakajin: and avoid fucking up your box |
| 17:56.34 | stew | diana_: that netmask wont work, what ip addresses do the two boxes have? |
| 17:56.37 | saintshakajin | backports? heu I'm in Sid :) |
| 17:56.40 | Jmax | hans0lo, http://img420.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sigh7ny.png |
| 17:56.41 | CptS | saintshakajin: both are installed.. do i need debconf-utils as well? |
| 17:56.44 | DevilChaos | what is better ati radeon or nvidia i favour ati at the present moment |
| 17:56.49 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 17:56.58 | saintshakajin | nvidia rox :) |
| 17:57.07 | dongysh | both good |
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| 17:57.22 | DevilChaos | then why wont it work for me ? |
| 17:57.24 | Petaris | DevilChaos: I prefer nvidia, the drivers are pretty solid and avaliable for all models |
| 17:57.32 | hans0lo | Jmax: what site si that, I'll see if mine's doing the same thing |
| 17:57.42 | stew | DevilChaos: ati has far better support if you want to stick to opensource drivers |
| 17:57.44 | DevilChaos | i just get the black screen of death |
| 17:57.50 | Jmax | hans0lo, slickdeals.net |
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| 17:58.02 | saintshakajin | CptS: yes, it's installed by me |
| 17:58.06 | DevilChaos | what am i doing wrong |
| 17:58.07 | lekvar | apt-get is complaining "W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ######" ... How to fix? |
| 17:58.08 | DevilChaos | ? |
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| 17:58.15 | lekvar | It wasn't doing this to me before. |
| 17:58.19 | saintshakajin | or at me, don't know the correct word :( |
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| 17:58.31 | CptS | saintshakajin: installed all and alsaconf doesn't work yet.. any ideas? |
| 17:58.36 | saintshakajin | lekvar: look at the topic |
| 17:58.39 | stew | diana_: heres what i would recommend: assign one machine 192.168.2.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 and the other 192.168.2.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 17:58.42 | dongysh | os has not recognized your video card or monitor |
| 17:58.44 | _rene_ | lekvar: RTF topic |
| 17:58.49 | lekvar | saintshakajin: (spacking forehead) sorry guys |
| 17:58.54 | saintshakajin | lol _rene_ grilled :) |
| 17:58.55 | _rene_ | lekvar: of course not. new year, new key... |
| 17:58.58 | mhall | Jmax: I'm not seeing how it's a font problem. |
| 17:59.05 | hans0lo | Jmax: I'm running Firefox 1.0.7 and don't have any JS errors on that page. |
| 17:59.14 | Jmax | mhall, the fonts are all wierd |
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| 17:59.30 | DevilChaos | saintshakajin: what GC have you got i have Geforce 6 256mb ddr agp8x |
| 17:59.31 | lekvar | _rene_: *surrenders a couple of debian points* |
| 17:59.31 | Jmax | mhall, different from the default it was set at |
| 17:59.36 | saintshakajin | CptS: which alsaconf in a konsole (are you in root?) |
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| 17:59.39 | tralala | I have put two scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d to start two programmes every time a user logs in. These programmes (lineakd and irexec) however need to be stopped when the user logs off and started again when the next user logs in. Any ideas how can I stop them at the end of the user's X session? |
| 17:59.43 | diana_ | stew: There is no output. |
| 17:59.45 | mhall | !tell lekvar about 2006 key |
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| 17:59.53 | saintshakajin | DevilChaos: heu don't laugh, i've a GF4 mx 420 |
| 17:59.58 | theq | hi!!! how to install gawk on debian? |
| 18:00.02 | _rene_ | CptS: can you investigate and talk to them? |
| 18:00.06 | mhall | Jmax: also do you have xfs (x font server) installed |
| 18:00.09 | diana | stew: ok, /etc/network/interfaces had an error in it...now I fixed the error..and I get nothing back from ifup eth0(which is good I think) |
| 18:00.15 | Jmax | mhall, i believe so, sec |
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| 18:00.25 | mhall | diana: yeah for static you won't get anything |
| 18:00.28 | _rene_ | CptS: and tell them if they want to they should put the GSI/sdf somewhere to let me fetch it? :) |
| 18:00.32 | DevilChaos | saintshakajin: on i386 box? |
| 18:00.36 | diana | stew: But when I plug in my laptop directly into my desktop, and I "ping 96.96.96.96" it doesn't work...it says network not reachable. |
| 18:00.39 | stew | diana: no news is good news. 255.255.255.255 will not allow you to talk to another machine however unless you do something silly with your routing table |
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| 18:00.45 | Zvpun | What fonts does flashplayer use? I can't see any fonts. |
| 18:00.45 | CptS | _rene_: tell me what to ask and i'll ask it.. |
| 18:00.47 | saintshakajin | DevilChaos: yes |
| 18:00.52 | Jmax | mhall, nope, shall i install? |
| 18:00.53 | diana | stew: What should it be? |
| 18:00.58 | diana | 255.255.255.0? |
| 18:01.03 | mhall | Jmax: yeah i bet it might fix the problem |
| 18:01.08 | _rene_ | I did. |
| 18:01.09 | mhall | Jmax: also another thing you need to do ... |
| 18:01.13 | CptS | saintshakajin: i don't understand the question... which alsaconf... ? |
| 18:01.15 | de-almasy | hello, how do we install a specific version of package (i want to install the latest subversion release, but sarge currently is at 1.1.4) |
| 18:01.18 | _rene_ | the source, especially the GSI/sdf file |
| 18:01.22 | saintshakajin | does anyone play at wesnoth with driver nvidia and freeze? |
| 18:01.26 | DevilChaos | saintshakajin: ok so what drivers do i need installed etc etc to make it work ? |
| 18:01.28 | theq | gawk?? and how do i install it |
| 18:01.40 | diana | de-almasy: upgrade to testing |
| 18:01.41 | SimonRaven | !tell theq -about search |
| 18:01.42 | DevilChaos | yes i know nvidia before anyone is wide |
| 18:01.43 | mhall | Jmax: FontPath "unix/:7100" |
| 18:01.47 | CptS | _rene_: you want the GSI/sdf? |
| 18:01.47 | SimonRaven | !tell theq -about apt-get |
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| 18:01.49 | tralala | theq: apt-get install gawk |
| 18:01.49 | mhall | Jmax: under section Files |
| 18:01.51 | saintshakajin | CptS: type "which alsaconf" in a terminal/konsole what you want... and are you in root when you do alsaconf? |
| 18:01.53 | _rene_ | theq: as you do install anything. man apt-get |
| 18:01.53 | stew | diana: yes, as long as the other machine is 96.96.96.? (btw you should really be using an rfc1918 address like 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x, but that's not a huge deal if these machines are really only going to talk to eachother) |
| 18:02.00 | de-almasy | diana : say i want to stay stable? |
| 18:02.01 | Jmax | mhall, in xorg.conf? what'll that do? |
| 18:02.02 | hans0lo | Jmax: which debain are u using? I'm on etch and the last update changed fonts, I just had to go in xfce settings and set the user interface fonts up one size |
| 18:02.03 | _rene_ | CptS: yes. |
| 18:02.04 | saintshakajin | DevilChaos: latest no? 8178? |
| 18:02.07 | theq | my god |
| 18:02.10 | _rene_ | de-almasy: backport |
| 18:02.10 | theq | i did it |
| 18:02.11 | mhall | Jmax: allow X to get the fonts from the font server |
| 18:02.17 | diana | stew: yea they're talking to each other. |
| 18:02.21 | CptS | saintshakajin: yeah.. i'm not logged in as root.. i sudo. |
| 18:02.27 | diana | !tell de-almasy about backports |
| 18:02.27 | _rene_ | theq: then you installed it. period. |
| 18:02.28 | stew | de-almasy: /msg dpkg backport ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:02.29 | Jmax | hans0lo, debian sid |
| 18:02.32 | saintshakajin | hummmm |
| 18:02.32 | mhall | Jmax: the font server usu. works lots better for me than the manual paths |
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| 18:02.34 | theq | apt-get install gawk |
| 18:02.34 | Jmax | mhall, k |
| 18:02.39 | de-almasy | thanks diana and _rene_ |
| 18:02.40 | theq | aptitude install gawk |
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| 18:02.49 | saintshakajin | CptS: sudo /usr/sbin/alsaconf |
| 18:02.51 | CptS | saintshakajin: which alsaconf doesn't return anything.. .. |
| 18:02.53 | DevilChaos | saintshakajin: dont know if im getting them from the correct souce what source do you use? |
| 18:02.54 | _rene_ | theq: whether you set the awk alternative to gawk is another story, but you installed it. |
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| 18:03.03 | mhall | mmm gawk |
| 18:03.11 | saintshakajin | CptS: it's normal, /usr/sbin isn't in PATH by default |
| 18:03.16 | theq | what the ** is that package |
| 18:03.31 | theq | i'm trying to installa psa that requires gawk |
| 18:03.32 | mhall | i h4x0r t3h p14|\|37 with that language |
| 18:03.33 | CptS | saintshakajin: "command not found" |
| 18:03.33 | _rene_ | theq: god damnit. gawk. |
| 18:03.39 | SimonRaven | try typing in the right window |
| 18:03.44 | saintshakajin | DevilChaos: I use the driver from nvidia website because I've a custom kernel |
| 18:03.51 | saintshakajin | CptS: log you into root :) |
| 18:03.52 | stew | theq: apt-cache show gawk |
| 18:04.05 | mhall | theq: somebody set you up the bomb |
| 18:04.08 | takatumi | !agi gawk |
| 18:04.08 | dpkg | aptitude install gawk |
| 18:04.09 | michael | am I getting this right? There is one standard debian kernel image, (different archs), and to get more functionality or security through patches, I need to compile the kernel myself? |
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| 18:04.17 | DevilChaos | saintshakajin: doh! |
| 18:04.17 | stew | DevilChaos: have you read /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner ? |
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| 18:04.23 | edrin | wtf!? |
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| 18:04.27 | SimonRaven | !tell saintshakajin nvidia one-liner |
| 18:04.28 | DevilChaos | stew? |
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| 18:04.30 | _rene_ | if you already have it you have it... and maybe want to change the alternative if the program assumes awk being gawk |
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| 18:04.36 | SimonRaven | !tell saintshakajin about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:04.41 | stew | !tell DevilChaos about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:05.02 | edrin | aptitude wants to download 500 MB from yesterday to today to update my debian testing!? what happened?? |
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| 18:05.10 | CptS | saintshakajin: i logged in as root... now what? |
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| 18:05.19 | stew | edrin: have you changed your sources.list? |
| 18:05.25 | _rene_ | edrin: KDE and OOo and ... got in |
| 18:05.41 | takatumi | 3.5? |
| 18:05.41 | DevilChaos | stew : these are through normal sources yes? |
| 18:05.42 | theq | i found it |
| 18:05.54 | SimonRaven | 3.4 |
| 18:06.13 | edrin | OOo 2.1 ?? |
| 18:06.31 | _rene_ | 2.0.0 |
| 18:06.34 | saintshakajin | CptS: type alsaconf :) |
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| 18:06.44 | _rene_ | 2.0.1 is still too buggy, working on it |
| 18:06.44 | edrin | hm... |
| 18:07.00 | stew | DevilChaos: no, non-free and contrib sources |
| 18:07.08 | DevilChaos | ooga booga ooga booga ooga booga |
| 18:07.16 | edrin | dann kann ich ja mein selbst gemachtes alien ooo entfernen :) *freu* |
| 18:07.21 | DevilChaos | lol sorry |
| 18:07.27 | DevilChaos | moment of madness |
| 18:07.30 | theq | i'm still get a missing message |
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| 18:07.36 | theq | i did a apt-get install gawk_3.1.4-2_i386 |
| 18:07.43 | theq | ideas |
| 18:07.52 | OleMoudi | how can I check the date my debian was installed? |
| 18:07.56 | CptS | saintshakajin: still no-go.. |
| 18:07.59 | mhall | edrin: solche sachen sollst du nicht installieren, holzkopf |
| 18:08.06 | saintshakajin | thanks SimonRaven I don't know this technic, I only know when you compile a kernel by debian way and do a modulues_image (with nvidia-kernel-source installed) |
| 18:08.11 | stew | CptS: did you read /msg dpkg alsa one-liner? |
| 18:08.16 | saintshakajin | sorry CptS but time to eat :) |
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| 18:08.35 | edrin | mhall: why? funktioniert echt gut! |
| 18:08.35 | saintshakajin | cyu guys |
| 18:08.38 | Jmax | mhall, nope :( |
| 18:08.50 | CptS | stew: yes |
| 18:08.57 | takatumi | _rene_: the fonts in the menu of all my oo apps is a little out, the "r" looks like "n" |
| 18:08.57 | CptS | stew: i got them all.. |
| 18:09.08 | stew | CptS: and what exactly isn't working? |
| 18:09.14 | theq | i did a apt-get install gawk_3.1.4-2_i386 |
| 18:09.15 | mhall | Jmax: damn |
| 18:09.17 | CptS | stew: alsaconf |
| 18:09.26 | Jmax | hahaha |
| 18:09.30 | stew | CptS: what happens when you run alsaconf? are you running it as root? |
| 18:09.31 | Petaris | Anyone here used rageircd? What does it use for services? And how dificult is the setup? |
| 18:09.39 | stew | theq: just apt-get install gawk |
| 18:09.51 | theq | did it all |
| 18:09.57 | theq | i'm lost |
| 18:10.06 | theq | how can i chek if it is up |
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| 18:10.11 | CptS | stew: "command not found" tried sudo and also logged in as root. |
| 18:10.12 | theq | check |
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| 18:10.34 | SimonRaven | sudo update-alternatives --list awk; sudo update-alternatives --config awk, select gawk |
| 18:10.37 | stew | theq: by up you mean installed? "dpkg -l gawk" should return a line starting with ii |
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| 18:10.53 | takatumi | _rene_: oo2, was alright in oo1 |
| 18:11.19 | edsuom | I'm debating between debian-testing-amd64 and kubuntu-5.10-dvd-amd64 for my new AMD64 x2 desktop box. I'd rather stay "home" with debian but AMD64 support seems iffy ... comments? |
| 18:11.26 | stew | CptS: do you have alsaconf in /usr/sbin? |
| 18:11.35 | CptS | stew: no |
| 18:11.37 | diana_ | stew: ok...I have the networks setup so they can directly connect to each otherr...but so I turned off my desktop and I tried to do a wakeonlan...with the wakeonlan on debian.org but it doesn't work. |
| 18:11.50 | takatumi | CptS: alsa-base and alsa-utils installed? |
| 18:11.55 | theq | i'm still getting |
| 18:11.59 | CptS | takatumi: yes |
| 18:12.02 | theq | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.02 | theq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:12.05 | stew | diana_: sorry i dunno about wakeonlan |
| 18:12.16 | SimonRaven | edsuom: /* */ <!-- --> // |
| 18:12.17 | gmcinnes | hi. any yaird users? I have root on lvm2 and can't get a working initramfs |
| 18:12.18 | stew | CptS: apt-get install --reinstall alsa-utils |
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| 18:12.30 | CptS | stew trying.. brb |
| 18:12.43 | edsuom | SimonRaven: # |
| 18:12.44 | diana_ | I have wakeonlan enabled on my bios, and with any password..and I do "shutdown -h now" on the desktop machine. And I try to wakeonlan the ip ..but it doesn't work. |
| 18:12.56 | SimonRaven | edsuom: :) |
| 18:13.00 | diana_ | Do I need to setup the ip with my bios in addition to with /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:13.14 | stew | !find usr/sbin/alsaconf |
| 18:13.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/sbin/alsaconf' (1): (/usr/sbin/alsaconf) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 18:13.30 | Whitman | diana_, you typically use the mac address with WoL. |
| 18:13.54 | diana_ | Whitman: I did use the mac address. |
| 18:14.12 | diana_ | Whitman: But I also need to specify an ip. |
| 18:14.14 | mansu | how can i give permission to all users to open a gui on debian? |
| 18:14.33 | mansu | i mean run X |
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| 18:14.49 | SimonRaven | edsuom: i could've had more comments, but i only had a few |
| 18:14.53 | SimonRaven | ;) |
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| 18:17.37 | yanis | do you have any idea where log messages of xdm is? |
| 18:17.53 | karsten | yanis: /var/log/daemon.log |
| 18:17.54 | CptS | stew: when i'm trying to re-install it looks for the installation cd.. how can i redirect it to the network? |
| 18:18.13 | stew | CptS: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:18.24 | karsten | yanis: ....and your X server logs, in part, under /var/log/X* |
| 18:18.29 | teknoprep | black box > fluxbox |
| 18:18.41 | CptS | stew: i did a network install using the latest image from the site. |
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| 18:18.50 | takatumi | CptS: apt-setup or look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:19.16 | mansu | which mplayer package from merillat should be installed on intel celeron..386,586/k6, there is nothing in the description :( |
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| 18:19.43 | _rene_ | a celeron iirc is a 686. so 586. |
| 18:19.43 | stew | CptS: how did you install apt-utils a few moments ago? |
| 18:20.04 | stew | yes celeron is definately 686 |
| 18:20.31 | mansu | _rene_: but dpkg seems to recommend against it, so i am confused.. stew |
| 18:20.39 | CptS | stew: it was already installed. |
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| 18:21.00 | _rene_ | dpkg doesn't care there. |
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| 18:21.01 | takatumi | stew: s/na/ni :) |
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| 18:21.13 | mansu | _rene_: ok |
| 18:21.28 | stew | CptS: can you show us the output of "dpkg -l alsa-utils | tail -1" |
| 18:21.45 | DevilChaos | stew :ok thanks ill go try it |
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| 18:21.59 | DevilChaos | thanx for help folks much appreciated |
| 18:22.01 | CptS | stew: i removed the cd ref' from the source list.. it's installing now. |
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| 18:22.41 | yanis | kreg_work: there is no info in both logs you told me |
| 18:22.44 | blondie | mew |
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| 18:23.36 | de-almasy | so it's actually alright to put deb http://debian/ stable and deb http://debian/ testing on the same sources.list ? |
| 18:23.44 | zulu42 | hi there, I just discovered the --bind option of mount and is pretty happy with it but... is it possible to write a "--bind" mount line in /etc/fstab in order the bind to be done at each reboot for instance? |
| 18:23.48 | SimonRaven | !bobbitt |
| 18:23.48 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
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| 18:24.07 | stew | de-almasy: its a very bad idea |
| 18:24.10 | bizkit | zulu42: yes, use bind as an option, see man fstab |
| 18:24.13 | mansu | does the latest mplyer support mpeg-4 codecs? |
| 18:24.15 | pem3v78 | how do I send alt-F2 sequence in minicom ? |
| 18:24.24 | stew | de-almasy: testing and stable have very different libraries, and therefore don't mix well at all |
| 18:24.27 | zulu42 | ok thx bizkit |
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| 18:24.48 | SimonRaven | !tell arbius -about root |
| 18:24.58 | de-almasy | stew : i later want to pull the latest subversion from testing (then perhaps after that removed the testing line from sources.lsit) |
| 18:25.15 | de-almasy | does it make sense? |
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| 18:25.41 | stew | de-almasy: yes, but its a bad idea, instead you should install a backport: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:25.51 | de-almasy | i did that,.. |
| 18:25.57 | de-almasy | hmm seems i ended in wrong direction |
| 18:26.16 | _rene_ | CptS: ok, I will write to their ml now and if they don't give me the file give them my interpretation of their license violations :-P |
| 18:26.19 | stew | de-almasy: you souldn't be adding a deb line to sources.list for testing but a deb-src line for testing or unstable |
| 18:26.27 | de-almasy | oh |
| 18:26.29 | de-almasy | only the src |
| 18:26.31 | de-almasy | i see |
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| 18:26.45 | stew | de-almasy: did you check backports.org? |
| 18:27.03 | Bertram | Hi all. What is the difference between 386 and 486 in linux kernel debian packages ? Does someone know ? |
| 18:27.06 | de-almasy | not yet, modifying that sources.list was the first thing i did |
| 18:27.32 | stew | de-almasy: i'm pretty sure its on backports which means you would just have to add a backports line and not have to backport it yourself |
| 18:27.33 | de-almasy | and sadly, i performed an apt-get update with it |
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| 18:28.16 | stew | de-almasy: apt-get update is no problem, just fix sources.list and apt-get update again |
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| 18:28.25 | de-almasy | okay |
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| 18:28.44 | de-almasy | i ll try the backport line afterwards |
| 18:28.51 | dvs | Bertram: The 486 kernel has 486 specific instructions. |
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| 18:28.58 | fken | hello |
| 18:29.01 | dvs | Bertram: There's not much speed difference |
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| 18:29.19 | Bertram | dvs: Was the 386 abandonned ? |
| 18:29.35 | fken | whats happened with the apt last updates? I saw a lot of new things : is it another kde release ? |
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| 18:29.52 | dvs | Bertram: I think it was because it lacked an FPU. |
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| 18:30.17 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 18:30.18 | clojster | anyone who has solved the new Xorg and nvidia problem in unstable?? |
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| 18:30.22 | amorphix | happy new year everyone |
| 18:30.35 | Bertram | thks Amorphous |
| 18:30.41 | Bertram | thks amorphix |
| 18:30.44 | Bertram | sory |
| 18:30.44 | amorphix | is there a way to see if i have any swap space setup? |
| 18:30.48 | amorphix | :-) |
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| 18:31.15 | ralfWORK | free |
| 18:31.17 | ralfWORK | heh |
| 18:31.27 | amorphix | hehe thanks ralf |
| 18:31.30 | ralfWORK | np |
| 18:31.52 | amorphix | is 200k of swap enough for a sys with 32mb physical memory |
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| 18:32.16 | dvs | amorphix: I'd use 32MB for swap. |
| 18:32.18 | GyrosGeier | amorphix, you don't need swap at all. |
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| 18:32.26 | amorphix | seriously? |
| 18:32.31 | amorphix | but I'm running X |
| 18:32.32 | GyrosGeier | amorphix, but expect processes to die a very painful death |
| 18:32.41 | amorphix | ok |
| 18:32.44 | amorphix | my sys is very very slow |
| 18:32.52 | ralfWORK | what kinda machine you running on? |
| 18:32.54 | dvs | amorphix: swap won't speed it up |
| 18:32.59 | GyrosGeier | amorphix, adding swap makes systems slower |
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| 18:33.02 | amorphix | it's a Toshiba P166 |
| 18:33.06 | GyrosGeier | amorphix, real RAM is what counts |
| 18:33.08 | dvs | Ouch! |
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| 18:33.16 | amorphix | an old laptop I just sold to some linux dude for £70 |
| 18:33.18 | drivamgr2006 | amorphix: how much rehular memory do you have? |
| 18:33.23 | ralfWORK | that's rough |
| 18:33.31 | amorphix | i dunno why he wants it, but I'm trying to tidy it up and make it go a bit faster for him |
| 18:33.31 | drivamgr2006 | s/rehular/regular |
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| 18:33.55 | ralfWORK | amorphix: turn off X ;) |
| 18:33.58 | amorphix | drivamgr2006: only 32mb on board ram |
| 18:33.59 | dvs | amorphix: RAM is the best chance to get it to go faster. |
| 18:34.16 | fken | no one know? |
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| 18:34.19 | GyrosGeier | I remember that back in the good old days I had a runlevel without services that would call aptitude update && aptitude upgrade and then revert back to the previous runlevel |
| 18:34.19 | amorphix | I have a spare 48MB module but it means taking the lappy apart to fit it so I may leave that to this fella |
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| 18:34.46 | GyrosGeier | was necessary for locales upgrade |
| 18:35.00 | dusty- | Hey guys, what is the absolutle bleeding edge release of debian? |
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| 18:35.02 | amorphix | they dont make laptops like they used to |
| 18:35.08 | dvs | dusty-: sid |
| 18:35.08 | abrotman | dusty-: you don't want to use it :) |
| 18:35.12 | dusty- | lol |
| 18:35.15 | GyrosGeier | as locale-gen eats ~60MB of memory to generate ja_JP.UTF-8 |
| 18:35.17 | abrotman | !sid |
| 18:35.17 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 18:35.17 | drivamgr2006 | amorphix: I seriously think that you should get some extra memory for your system. Do you know what type of memory your machine takes? |
| 18:35.19 | dusty- | Well im on 3.1 r1 atm. |
| 18:35.20 | dvs | dusty-: it's true though |
| 18:35.25 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 18:35.25 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 18:35.44 | amorphix | drivamgr2006: that could be tricky, this machine uses old non-standard modules |
| 18:35.45 | eeyore- | morning |
| 18:35.46 | dusty- | abrotman, Thankyou, kindly. |
| 18:35.50 | dvs | dusty-: Stay with 3.1r1 |
| 18:35.51 | cbr | if i have added a module to my kernel and i run make-kpkg again, is it correct to let the package overwrite the old previous ones? |
| 18:35.54 | abrotman | eeyore-: you slacker! |
| 18:35.57 | GyrosGeier | Shadowcat, I use that often actually |
| 18:36.07 | abrotman | dusty-: really . lots of things can break in sid .. it's really not recommended for normal users |
| 18:36.10 | drivamgr2006 | amorphix: So not EDO or SDRAM then? |
| 18:36.11 | Shadowcat | GyrosGeier: yo *do* know what runlevel 6 is right? |
| 18:36.14 | dusty- | dvs, I might.. what about new packages though, is there anyway around that? Can I install newer releases? |
| 18:36.15 | Shadowcat | you* |
| 18:36.17 | gmcinnes | ARRARGH. Root on lvm2 is trying to kill me. I give. Uncle. |
| 18:36.20 | abrotman | dusty-: *especially* if you're not familiar with debian |
| 18:36.21 | GyrosGeier | Shadowcat, usually after the power went out and I just want the boxen to fsck and go back to sleep |
| 18:36.28 | dusty- | abrotman, More of a BSD person. |
| 18:36.31 | dvs | dusty-: That's what backports are for |
| 18:36.40 | ralfWORK | yea |
| 18:36.48 | ralfWORK | too bad there are no php/mysql5 backports yet |
| 18:36.48 | ralfWORK | heh |
| 18:36.51 | amorphix | drivamgr2006: EDO it says on this module I have here, but it's strange looking memory |
| 18:36.56 | ralfWORK | I'd kill for those :P |
| 18:37.04 | Shadowcat | so make one yourself |
| 18:37.05 | Shadowcat | sheesh |
| 18:37.08 | Shadowcat | it isn't rocket science |
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| 18:37.13 | dusty- | dvs, backports? |
| 18:37.14 | amorphix | drivamgr2006: it's square shaped, 6x7cm |
| 18:37.15 | abrotman | dusty-: stick with stable for a bit ... get to know debian .. if the age of the packages really irks you .. and you can fix your own system .. go to testing .. then .. if you still aren't satisfied .. and your abilities are up to par .. try sid |
| 18:37.28 | dvs | !backports |
| 18:37.28 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 18:37.37 | dusty- | abrotman, good advice. Thankyou. |
| 18:37.38 | yanis | is there any package that contains some important x apps of xorg like xdm,xterm,xclock++ ??? |
| 18:37.49 | abrotman | x-window-system |
| 18:37.51 | dusty- | dvs, thankyou too. |
| 18:37.54 | Shadowcat | x-window-system |
| 18:38.00 | drivamgr2006 | amorphix: ??? Wow... that sounds really odd. EDO was about 6cm by 1.5cm |
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| 18:38.09 | dvs | dusty-: You're welcome |
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| 18:38.09 | GyrosGeier | yanis, xbase-clients |
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| 18:38.24 | amorphix | hehe I told you, this is Toshiba proprietory memory module I think |
| 18:38.24 | GyrosGeier | yanis, xdm has its own package, as has xterm |
| 18:38.36 | drivamgr2006 | that sounds really really peculiar amorphix |
| 18:38.39 | GyrosGeier | amorphix, nothing that cannot be fixed with a soldering iron |
| 18:38.40 | drivamgr2006 | one mo |
| 18:38.40 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 18:38.41 | Ronin | course yanis that all assumes your on debian now and not ubuntu |
| 18:38.41 | Laibsch | Maulkin and sifi-x: Sorry to keep you waiting re my FF problem (glib errors) |
| 18:38.41 | Laibsch | Maulkin: Yes, I had upgraded FF while it was running. That was many days ago. |
| 18:38.44 | Shadowcat | just install x-window-system |
| 18:38.50 | Shadowcat | installs the whole bloody lot |
| 18:38.51 | amorphix | ahh but this laptop is a beauty, I'm sad to see her go |
| 18:38.53 | bizkit | GyrosGeier: but there are metapackages which include that.. |
| 18:38.56 | amorphix | even if she is slow ;-) |
| 18:39.01 | GyrosGeier | bizkit, sure |
| 18:39.03 | Laibsch | sifi-x: Yes, I start it from the shell. That is why I can see those errors. |
| 18:39.09 | Shadowcat | !beat GyrosGeier |
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| 18:39.12 | sifi-x | Laibsch, ?? |
| 18:39.17 | GyrosGeier | bizkit, but upgrading the metapackage alone will not upgrade the concrete packages |
| 18:39.19 | Shadowcat | abrotman and I already said which package |
| 18:39.24 | yanis | Shadowcat: YEAHH damnmn.. but there is no such fuckin package in UBUNTU 5.10 fuck 5.10! |
| 18:39.30 | sifi-x | Laibsch, hehe ff, I just waked up |
| 18:39.36 | bizkit | Shadowcat: :-D |
| 18:39.36 | Shadowcat | yanis: that isn't our problem |
| 18:39.39 | Shadowcat | this isn't ubuntu |
| 18:39.39 | Ronin | yanis: so go ask in #UBUNTU ffs |
| 18:39.51 | Shadowcat | !ubuntu |
| 18:39.51 | dpkg | somebody said ubuntu was not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
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| 18:40.19 | SimonRaven | fuck for fuck's sake fucking fuck |
| 18:40.23 | takatumi | uBuNtU |
| 18:40.26 | amorphix | SimonRaven whats up |
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| 18:40.31 | sifi-x | Laibsch, start it from "Alt+F2" in both KDE and GNOME |
| 18:40.43 | diana_ | When I do wakeonlan does my desktop need to be on...if I shutdown -h now...can I wakeonlan? ... or does my desktop need to be in sleep mode? |
| 18:40.49 | SimonRaven | amorphix: np, i was imitating mr. ubuntu there |
| 18:40.53 | amorphix | oh! |
| 18:40.54 | GyrosGeier | hehe, I used to hide my warez on a webserver by capitalizing the server name. |
| 18:41.04 | bizkit | diana_: your bios has to be setup to wake-on-lan |
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| 18:41.21 | amorphix | a little off-topic, but do you guys think microwave ovens are unsafe |
| 18:41.22 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
| 18:41.23 | Laibsch | sifi-x: I use icewm. Of course I can use a similar function but something seems to be wrong. |
| 18:41.29 | drivamgr2006 | amorphix: I looked on ebay US and I found a Toshiba memory upgrade, but it looks like bog standard EDO... Do you have a digital camera, and if so, could you photograph this memory and send a copy of the pic to me? |
| 18:41.30 | diana_ | bizkit: I did set it up...I have wakeonlan enabled in my bios. |
| 18:41.36 | diana_ | bizkit: That doesn't answer my question. |
| 18:41.42 | bizkit | diana_: and you need a NIC which supports it and the cable |
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| 18:41.59 | diana_ | bizkit: I have these things. |
| 18:42.01 | CptS | when i run a ./configure of an application i get an error about "no acceptable c compiler found in $path" which pkg should i install.. |
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| 18:42.10 | sifi-x | Laibsch, icewm, I don't what it is |
| 18:42.20 | GyrosGeier | diana_, WOL needs to be enabled in the BIOS, and some broken BIOSes have borked ACPI tables that do not reinitialize the NIC on shutdown |
| 18:42.21 | diana_ | bizkit: My nic is onboard...and my bios has wakeonlan enabled. |
| 18:42.36 | stew | CptS: build-essential |
| 18:42.39 | sifi-x | diana_, WOL owns |
| 18:42.42 | bizkit | diana_: no sleep mode required, the machine should simply boot when you wake it |
| 18:42.43 | amorphix | drivamgr2006: sure np.. it's ironic because about 6 months ago I sold a couple of these modules on eBay for around £10 each, and then a week later a german guy offered me £20 a module.. I've subsequently seen 2 memory retailers in UK charging £100 a module for 48MB! |
| 18:42.43 | diana_ | GyrosGeier: How can I tell if my bios is borked or not? |
| 18:42.50 | diana_ | GyrosGeier: It's a Amibios 1.21.12 |
| 18:42.57 | GyrosGeier | diana_, best test is to power on for a few seconds, turn back off without booting and then testing WOL |
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| 18:42.58 | diana_ | sifi-x: That is helpful, thanks. |
| 18:43.07 | abrotman | diana_: did you see the magic blue smoke? |
| 18:43.07 | GyrosGeier | diana_, if it works then, your ACPI tables are FUBAR. |
| 18:43.14 | stew | is it blue? |
| 18:43.20 | abrotman | !magic blue smoke |
| 18:43.23 | abrotman | !magic smoke |
| 18:43.23 | dpkg | Did you know computers run on smoke? You can tell because if the smoke escapes, they stop working. |
| 18:43.25 | diana_ | GyrosGeier: thanks |
| 18:43.29 | CptS | stew: thanks.. ps i decided to d/l the pkg from alsa's site.. i'll try to install man |
| 18:43.30 | SimonRaven | depends on the provenance |
| 18:43.32 | Petaris | Could someone help me with a dist-upgrade question? I am concerned about some of the items it wants to install and some that it wants to remove, just curious on the consequences |
| 18:43.33 | amorphix | new year resolution: I've decided to get rid of my microwave oven and not use it for cooking anymore |
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| 18:43.35 | drivamgr2006 | Jesus, Mary and Patrick!!!! £100 for 48mb??? Thats a freaking ripoff!!! |
| 18:43.42 | diana_ | abrotman: yea...I got indians in my apartment dancing and making this magic packet. |
| 18:43.43 | stew | CptS: no why would you do that!?! |
| 18:43.47 | Laibsch | sifi-x: icewm is of course a window manager |
| 18:43.47 | sifi-x | Laibsch, what about icewm, do you even have to use it? |
| 18:43.49 | amorphix | yeah it is, but this memory is scarce now |
| 18:43.54 | diana_ | Then they set my apartment on fire..and it made blue smoke. |
| 18:43.58 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 18:44.02 | stew | CptS: did "apt-get install alsa-utils" not work? |
| 18:44.09 | dvs | drivamgr2006: That's Toshiba |
| 18:44.18 | sifi-x | Laibsch, use something that we know how to handle like KDE or GNOME |
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| 18:44.26 | Laibsch | sifi-x: LOL, I am not going to switch my window manager just because FF is misbehaving. This is going in the wrong direction. |
| 18:44.35 | sifi-x | Laibsch, =) |
| 18:44.58 | sifi-x | Laibsch, well, then you have to ask it in another chan |
| 18:45.19 | diana_ | bizkit: When I try to wakeonlan I specify the ip I set(static ip) in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 18:45.42 | sifi-x | Laibsch, KDE has debian-kde, icewm has not a debian specific chan |
| 18:45.45 | Laibsch | sifi-x: get serious |
| 18:45.50 | pem3v78 | is there a way to send alt-f2 combination in minicom or other serial software ? |
| 18:45.51 | sifi-x | Laibsch, just so you know |
| 18:45.55 | GyrosGeier | diana_, WOL is based on MAC addresses |
| 18:45.57 | Laibsch | Well, I am not in debian-kde |
| 18:46.16 | diana_ | GyrosGeier: So how do I wakeonlan my computer at home if I am at work? |
| 18:46.25 | stew | Laibsch: have you checked the bts? (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 18:46.28 | Laibsch | sifi-x: Thanks for your help, but as I said, this is going in the wrong direction. |
| 18:46.31 | sifi-x | Laibsch, so can you execute some type of "Run application" box in icewm |
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| 18:46.35 | GyrosGeier | diana_, you need another box on the local network that emits the packet for you. |
| 18:46.41 | bizkit | diana_: yes. whereas your wake-on-lan is not dependend on your operating system. it's up to your hardware configuration |
| 18:46.45 | GyrosGeier | diana_, WOL packets cannot be routed |
| 18:46.46 | Laibsch | stew: yes, there is nothing in debian BTS and bugzilla. |
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| 18:47.18 | Laibsch | I also checked google with the specific error message. |
| 18:47.20 | stew | Laibsch: but there is no loss of functionality, just a bunch of messages? |
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| 18:47.53 | CptS | stew: it works.. i just don't have alsaconf |
| 18:47.57 | Laibsch | stew: yes, so this is not major. But it is annoying and I thought it might hint at a deeper problem (or some misconfig even) |
| 18:48.05 | diana_ | bizkit: When I setup wakeonlan in my bios...it didn't ask me for ip info...like gateway netmask etc... dhcp server..so how can I wakeonlan my computer at home from work? |
| 18:48.07 | stew | Laibsch: then either ignore it or file a wishlist bug |
| 18:48.11 | sifi-x | Laibsch, well, don't execute ff from the shell, you should do it from the menu or from a command box |
| 18:48.20 | bizkit | diana_: get the MAC hardware address of your NIC |
| 18:48.39 | GyrosGeier | diana_, again: you need a host that is on the same LAN as the box you want to wake up |
| 18:48.39 | stew | CptS: we should figure out what is wrong then becuase if something so simple doesn't work then something else is probably seriously wrong |
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| 18:48.40 | diana_ | GyrosGeier: So I can't wakeonlan from work to my home to start my home pc? |
| 18:48.49 | __filip_ | Hello, i have some problem to mount my hda6. I whant my hda6 to be automounted and i know i should write something in /etc/fstab but dont what. my hda6 filesystem is ext3 and it should be mounted to /mnt/hda6. My user(filip) should be abel to read in it. Somebody know what it is i should write? |
| 18:49.09 | diana_ | GyrosGeier: I have my laptop directly plugged into my desktop...will that work? |
| 18:49.09 | stew | CptS: can you paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy alsa-utils" to a pastebin? (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 18:49.09 | CptS | stew: i did all you told me... and alsaconf doesn't run. |
| 18:49.09 | sifi-x | diana_, yes, run ifconfig and read HWADDR |
| 18:49.12 | diana_ | bizkit: I have the mac address. |
| 18:49.13 | Jochen | Hi people. I have problems with adept, I can't install anymore packages because adept has problems removing an old package from the system |
| 18:49.15 | GyrosGeier | diana_, if you can reach the laptop from the internet, yes. |
| 18:49.22 | diana_ | bizkit: i tried "wakeonlane 00:0A*" |
| 18:49.28 | sifi-x | diana_, thats you MAC |
| 18:49.35 | GyrosGeier | diana_, you need the full address |
| 18:49.36 | diana_ | And it didn't work...when I had a crossover cable directly connecting my laptop and desktop. |
| 18:49.50 | CptS | stew.. the problem is that my debian box is not connected to this computer.. it's on another network... |
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| 18:50.15 | GyrosGeier | diana_, the "magic" packet consists of six times the MAC address of the called station, nothing more, nothing less. |
| 18:50.24 | stew | CptS: apt least tell me this then, what is in Candidate: and Installed: for "apt-cache policy alsa-utils"? |
| 18:50.35 | GyrosGeier | diana_, there is no support for wildcards |
| 18:50.58 | diana_ | GyrosGeier: So if my desktop is plugged into the internet...and wakeonlan in the bios is enabled...can I send the magic packet to start my desktop from my work pc also connected to the internet? |
| 18:51.07 | amorphix | drivamgr2006: should be there now |
| 18:51.10 | GyrosGeier | diana_, no |
| 18:51.12 | __filip_ | Does somebody know what it is i should write? |
| 18:51.16 | diana_ | GyrosGeier: I know...I just didn't want to put my whole address. |
| 18:51.24 | GyrosGeier | diana_, there are routers on the way |
| 18:51.27 | GyrosGeier | diana_, ah, okay |
| 18:51.33 | diana_ | GyrosGeier: ok...so if people in here know my mac address they can't wake on lan me? |
| 18:51.36 | diana_ | heh |
| 18:51.41 | GyrosGeier | diana_, nope |
| 18:51.45 | diana_ | k |
| 18:51.52 | ralfWORK | once I do L2TP to you I can |
| 18:51.54 | ralfWORK | MUAHAHAHAHA |
| 18:51.55 | bizkit | no, as GyrosGeier said WOL pakets are not routed |
| 18:52.25 | diana_ | So I'm going to disconnect from the internet...then plug my laptop directly into my desktop...My laptop is on...and doing the wakeonlan machere command, and my desktop is off...with wakeonlan enabled in the bios. |
| 18:52.40 | yanis | how do I see the existing partitions? |
| 18:52.42 | diana_ | If it doesn't work...my acpi table might be foobared...so I'll start my desktop..and shut it down right away afte.r |
| 18:52.50 | GyrosGeier | diana_, you can also use a switch, then you don't need to disconnect. :-) |
| 18:52.51 | diana_ | yanis: fdisk -l |
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| 18:52.58 | bizkit | diana_: but your w-o-l machine has a power supply? :-) |
| 18:53.06 | diana_ | bizkit: yes |
| 18:53.08 | GyrosGeier | diana_, yes. That should initialize the card to do WOL |
| 18:53.23 | diana_ | k, I'll be back in a couple minutes after I try. |
| 18:53.24 | CptS | stew: have to go, thanks alot for your help.. i'll come back later. THANKS! |
| 18:53.34 | GyrosGeier | diana_, and use a crossover cable for the direct connection. |
| 18:53.39 | stew | i'll swear that he isn't running debian |
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| 18:53.47 | stew | never got a straight answer out of him |
| 18:53.55 | diana_ | GyrosGeier: right |
| 18:53.57 | bizkit | stew: hehe. |
| 18:54.12 | zulu42 | hey, I read on debian list that the proper way to make user able to use halt was to use /etc/pam.d ... I'm reading the pam.d doc and really wonder if halt is pamable!! for instance why ldd /sbin/halt does not give libpam.so? |
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| 18:54.24 | bizkit | stew: ubuntu is sending out under-cover agents to gain debian knowledge |
| 18:54.25 | mansu | any idea what causes this error "alsa-space: xrun of at least 0.032 msecs. resetting stream"... while running a video in mplayer |
| 18:54.28 | GyrosGeier | diana_, cards waiting for WOL have no Tx power, so they cannot negotiate speed, duplex and crossover. |
| 18:55.59 | stew | bizkit: he first said that alsa-utils was installed by default by the basic netinst installer, but he didn't have any of the files, and it wasn't found on the cd and he hadn't yet setup sources.list, then he said he did and installed it but still didn't have the files and could never tell me what version he had installed, and was trying to install it from source |
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| 18:56.05 | SNow | hey guys, i've got the cgi:irc application but the problem is that i don't like that users come with my servers host, is there an ability to make that users who use cgi irc would be on irc with their IP addresses? or there is some another program that could do that?? |
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| 18:56.53 | tuv | mansu: you might want to use sdl:alsa for audio instead of plain alsa to avoid this problem |
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| 18:57.02 | deepfrze | stew: package system is down right now |
| 18:57.03 | bizkit | mansu: #mplayer could help you more, i guess |
| 18:57.14 | SNow | hey guys, i've got the cgi:irc application but the problem is that i don't like that users come with my servers host, is there an ability to make that users who use cgi irc would be on irc with their IP addresses? or there is some another program that could do that?? |
| 18:57.16 | clojster | anyone know where to get mutt-ng package? |
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| 18:57.27 | gigabytes | hi all |
| 18:57.39 | gigabytes | i get a strange message when i do apt-get update |
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| 18:57.49 | gigabytes | W: GPG error: http://debian.fastweb.it testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
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| 18:57.55 | Ronin | !tell gigabytes about 2006 key |
| 18:57.55 | gigabytes | I use debian testing |
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| 18:58.07 | clojster | !tell gigabytes about 2006 key |
| 18:58.08 | bizkit | stew: ok, we should traceback problems now and search for ubuntu-fingerprints :-)) |
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| 18:58.13 | dvs | clojster: too slow |
| 18:58.13 | gigabytes | oh sorry i haven't read the topic |
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| 18:58.17 | diana | GyrosGeier / bizkit http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/c4rqXe63.html |
| 18:58.19 | stew | deepfrze: huh? you mean packages.debian.org? |
| 18:58.23 | SNow | !tell snow about 2006 key |
| 18:58.24 | clojster | !tell clojster about 2006 key |
| 18:58.24 | mansu | tuv: does that mean setting -ao sdl:alsa? |
| 18:58.35 | dvs | !topicsmite gigabytes |
| 18:58.35 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon gigabytes. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 18:58.56 | bizkit | mansu: -ao is audio output, do mplayer -ao to get a listing of available modules |
| 18:59.09 | diana | I had my laptop directly plugged into my desktop...via crossover cable...and my desktop has wakeonlan enabled to "any key" in the bios..and saved(I double checked)...and I turned on my computer...and hard shut it down right before the bios was about to load the mbr |
| 18:59.13 | deepfrze | stew: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 18:59.15 | diana | But it didn't work. |
| 18:59.15 | tuv | mansu: yes |
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| 18:59.23 | amorphix | where is drivamgr2006 |
| 18:59.34 | mansu | tuv: thx |
| 18:59.36 | gigabytes | but |
| 18:59.37 | stew | deepfrze: what about it? |
| 18:59.39 | diana | GyrosGeier / bizkit I tried to send just to the mac...then the ip(I saw man wakeonlan)...but nothing seemed to work. |
| 18:59.40 | SNow | bash: gpg: command not found |
| 18:59.46 | gigabytes | why has the key been changed? |
| 18:59.47 | GyrosGeier | diana, that's the wrong kind of WOL |
| 18:59.48 | diana | Is my /etc/network/interfaces wrong? or something. |
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| 18:59.57 | tuv | mansu: just make sure you have libsdl1.2debian-alsa installed |
| 19:00.00 | GyrosGeier | diana, WOL doesn't need IP addresses |
| 19:00.05 | diana | GyrosGeier: What kind of WOL do I want? |
| 19:00.09 | deepfrze | stew: I did a search and get a msg that the debian package system is down |
| 19:00.18 | GyrosGeier | diana, the one the "etherwake" package provides |
| 19:00.28 | diana | k |
| 19:00.33 | GyrosGeier | diana, also, you can only send WOL packets as root |
| 19:00.36 | XTL | Some wol sender might have an option to look up the mac by ip (arp) |
| 19:00.36 | stew | deepfrze: yes, the search feature only is down right now, the server that hosts it is being re-provisioned, i believe, it should be back up soon |
| 19:00.37 | amorphix | is deb's package search still down? |
| 19:00.43 | GyrosGeier | diana, because they are not IP packets. |
| 19:00.46 | tuv | mansu: or libsdl1.2debian-all |
| 19:00.47 | stew | amorphix: search on pdo is, yes |
| 19:00.52 | amorphix | ok |
| 19:00.54 | deepfrze | stew: okay, thanks |
| 19:01.02 | diana | k, I installed etherwake...I'm going to disconnect and try it again. |
| 19:01.04 | XTL | (or ethers file, actually) |
| 19:01.19 | dusty- | Hey guys I have a really strange problem? I have just installed debian.. and I want to configure the keyboard map, but I don't have a /etc/sysconfig/ directory? |
| 19:01.23 | stew | hmm you can check a machine status somewhere on db.d.o iirc |
| 19:01.27 | GyrosGeier | XTL, ARP lookup is not exactly going to work |
| 19:01.30 | dusty- | like /etc/sysconfig/kbd should be the file... |
| 19:01.34 | amorphix | I'm trying to remove an annoying package I installed a while ago which changed my mouse pointer into a star trek communicator (60's) style shape |
| 19:01.35 | zulu42 | diana I deseperately tryed to wake my box too and in fact it work only if the box is in suspend mode ! |
| 19:01.36 | amorphix | any ideas? |
| 19:01.39 | dusty- | but I don't even have the /etc/sysconfig directory? |
| 19:01.49 | Padnah | what is the best CD burner for KDE? |
| 19:01.50 | tuv | dusty: this is a redhat thing |
| 19:01.52 | zulu42 | I don't know if this is true or if I have a pb with wol.. |
| 19:01.56 | dusty- | tuv, what? |
| 19:02.02 | bizkit | amorphix: now this is cool, isn't it? :-) |
| 19:02.03 | mansu | tuv: -ao sdl solves the problem, but can you tell me what exactly was the problem... |
| 19:02.05 | dvs | Padnah: k3b |
| 19:02.11 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, that is the case of "broken ACPI tables" I talked about earlier |
| 19:02.13 | amorphix | bizkit: not in the slightest :P |
| 19:02.22 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:02.22 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:02.27 | abrotman | dvs: not that ? |
| 19:02.31 | dvs | nope |
| 19:02.31 | zulu42 | really? ok so I scroll up :) |
| 19:02.34 | abrotman | dvs: arson? |
| 19:02.35 | dusty- | ! |
| 19:02.38 | dvs | there you go! |
| 19:02.39 | tuv | mansu: mplayer's alsa driver isn't perfect.. you might find more details in #mplayer |
| 19:02.49 | dusty- | !tell keyboard |
| 19:02.49 | abrotman | dvs: k3b last i knew .. still wasn't in testing |
| 19:02.50 | Shad0wcat | !abrotman |
| 19:02.51 | dpkg | well, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
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| 19:03.28 | dusty- | Is there an official debian handbook which outlines how to configure stuff etc etc, like the freebsd handbook for freebsd or the openbsd faq for openbsd? |
| 19:03.45 | takatumi | dusty-: debian-reference |
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| 19:03.53 | dusty- | thanks |
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| 19:04.07 | tuv | dusty-: there is an extensive debian reference.. just search for the term |
| 19:04.09 | zulu42 | GyrosGeier, in fact to let my box in suspend mode is a good choice for me, the only pb is that it wake only if the box is in suspend mode but MSXP running :( :( |
| 19:04.14 | philips | dusty-: If you are looking for a dead tree book, this is good too: http://www.nostarch.com/debian.htm |
| 19:04.17 | dusty- | tuv, I've found it. |
| 19:04.19 | GyrosGeier | dusty-, there is Kenshi's book: http://kmuto.jp/debian/debian_dic/ |
| 19:04.25 | dusty- | hehe thankyou guys |
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| 19:04.40 | zulu42 | I tried everything acpitool -v 8 (ILAN) my integrated 3com board) but nothing work ! |
| 19:04.52 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, BIOS upgrade? |
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| 19:05.00 | bizkit | zulu42: the bios is important |
| 19:05.21 | zulu42 | well, I mean if it work with windows? doesn't mean that the bios is ok? |
| 19:05.34 | amorphix | some guys came around my earlier and brought this catalogue think Homebuys? with lots of stuff for the house in it, said Instant Credit, Easy Payments, 29.9% APR.. I saw my kitchen table in there for 65% more than what I paid for it, cash price. heh. |
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| 19:06.09 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, basically, the Linux driver will deinitialize your card when shutting down. The ACPI tables have a control method to be invoked for final system shutdown, which is responsible for setting up WOL. If that routine is b0rked, the card stays inactive. |
| 19:06.29 | Padnah | dvs thanks for the recommend. Is it a console based package or a command line? |
| 19:06.41 | zulu42 | ok |
| 19:06.42 | dvs | Padnah: You said KDE right? |
| 19:06.48 | Padnah | yes |
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| 19:06.52 | dusty- | Hey guys, to get security updates what line do I need to add to the /etc/apt/sources.lst? |
| 19:06.53 | Padnah | dvs, yes |
| 19:06.55 | dvs | Padnah: Then it's a GUI |
| 19:06.55 | zulu42 | how to track a b0rked routine? |
| 19:07.02 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, no, Windows has replacement BIOS images to supplement the broken ones. |
| 19:07.09 | zulu42 | I have a asus p4p800 with 3com onboard |
| 19:07.09 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, difficult. |
| 19:07.13 | Padnah | dvs, OK. |
| 19:07.20 | dvs | zulu42: same here! |
| 19:07.20 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, ACPI is black magic |
| 19:07.40 | zulu42 | it's a pitty :) |
| 19:07.40 | DevilChaos | stew: i get this error message E:couldnt find kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 19:07.54 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, the core of it is a virtual machine that the kernel needs to emulate in order to talk to hardware |
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| 19:08.05 | zulu42 | ??? |
| 19:08.11 | zulu42 | wait I'm reading twice |
| 19:08.31 | zulu42 | emulate a virtual machine? |
| 19:08.34 | zulu42 | hum... |
| 19:08.40 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, much like Java |
| 19:08.50 | zulu42 | why does it need to emulate? |
| 19:08.54 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, but in a more Microsoftesque way |
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| 19:09.26 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, Intel and Toshiba kicked MS into accepting that callbacks into the BIOS were a thing of the past |
| 19:09.43 | DevilChaos | anyone i get this after entering the one liner command for the nvidia stuff E: coulnt find kernel-headers-2.6.8-2386? |
| 19:09.44 | Padnah | dvs, I am new to Linux and KDE and Gnome. My question is ignorant but if I install a CD burner for KDE and then go to the Gnome GUI and install a CD burner for Gnome will the two CD burners co-exist but work with the designated GUI's? If I have not made myself understood by my question, please let me know. |
| 19:10.08 | nima | how would i use imagemagick to cut an image into horizontal stripes? |
| 19:10.14 | DevilChaos | yes they will |
| 19:10.26 | SNow | how does java compiler |
| 19:10.27 | SNow | call? |
| 19:10.29 | SNow | javac |
| 19:10.31 | SNow | in packages? |
| 19:10.32 | takatumi | Padnah: install all you want |
| 19:10.51 | Padnah | takatumi, thanks |
| 19:11.04 | dvs | Padnah: you can actaully use KDE apps in Gnome and vica versa as long as both KDE and Gnome are installed. |
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| 19:11.11 | DevilChaos | anyone i get this after entering the one liner command for the nvidia stuff E: coulnt find kernel-headers-2.6.8-2386? what am i doing wrong here? |
| 19:11.11 | zulu42 | GyrosGeier, sorry for this question but in what MS is responsible for bios? |
| 19:11.23 | Padnah | dvs, that is good information |
| 19:11.32 | zulu42 | I thought it was hardware and consortium specification or such? |
| 19:11.33 | zulu42 | no? |
| 19:11.34 | stew | SNow: can you try to restate you question? are you looking for a package which will install a javac for you? |
| 19:11.35 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, instead, the BIOS now hands the kernel a number of routines assembled for a virtual CPU in a special memory block. Whenever the kernel needs something done on the mainboard, it looks up the relevant part and starts interpreting it. |
| 19:11.39 | dvs | Padnah: It's pretty neat too! ;-) |
| 19:11.45 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, MS was in the group that designed it |
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| 19:11.52 | zulu42 | I see :) |
| 19:11.52 | Petaris | Could someone help me with a dist-upgrade question? I am concerned about some of the items it wants to install and some that it wants to remove, just curious on the consequences |
| 19:11.55 | _rene_ | zulu42: M$ being member of the ACPI consortium? |
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| 19:12.07 | SNow | stew exatcly |
| 19:12.09 | stew | Petaris: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 19:12.11 | SNow | *exactly |
| 19:12.12 | SNow | :) |
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| 19:12.13 | stew | SNow: jikes |
| 19:12.24 | stew | SNow: are you looking for a full blown jdk? |
| 19:12.25 | DevilChaos | stew? |
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| 19:12.37 | zulu42 | the worm in the apple? rigth? |
| 19:12.37 | Padnah | dvs, I have only had Linux installed since last Sunday. I think that I have decided to abandon Microsoft XP for good. |
| 19:12.42 | zulu42 | :) :) |
| 19:12.45 | pi-meson | I have written in my notes "get libXm.so.3 from libmotif3" but I can't seem to find that package anywhere. |
| 19:12.50 | dvs | !beer Padnah |
| 19:12.51 | stew | DevilChaos: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:13.12 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, well, the ACPI spec is only bloated and does too many things at once, but otherwise it's a pretty good spec. |
| 19:13.18 | DevilChaos | stew: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 19:13.32 | Ronin | DevilChaos: not the kernel the verions of debian |
| 19:13.36 | DevilChaos | i686 gnu/linux |
| 19:13.37 | stew | DevilChaos: not kernel version, debian version. sarge / stable /testing /etch? |
| 19:13.46 | DevilChaos | testing |
| 19:13.47 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, M$ found it hard to swallow that the spec was designed from the ground up to allow other operating systems to work |
| 19:13.51 | SNow | stew: maybe not, I need to compile some java |
| 19:13.52 | SNow | applet |
| 19:13.53 | SNow | pjirc |
| 19:13.55 | SNow | i think :) |
| 19:13.55 | Padnah | dvs, how does one register his nick with freenode so that I may be able to PM with others? |
| 19:13.58 | DevilChaos | was sarge at time of install |
| 19:14.06 | zulu42 | GyrosGeier, you seems to be really bios aware... I only know acpi from the site of acpitool do you know where I could get some information about makin my !@#$ asus board to wake? |
| 19:14.07 | Ronin | Padnah: /msg nickserv help |
| 19:14.08 | dvs | Padnah: /msg nickserv help |
| 19:14.09 | stew | DevilChaos: what cpu do you ahve? |
| 19:14.09 | pureone | Padnah, /msg nickserv help |
| 19:14.13 | dvs | Ronin: liar! ;-) |
| 19:14.15 | stew | DevilChaos: 2.6.8 is no longer in testing |
| 19:14.19 | Ronin | heh |
| 19:14.28 | DevilChaos | amd athlon 1.5 mghz |
| 19:14.29 | stew | SNow: for applets you will need to install a non-free java /msg dpkg java-package |
| 19:14.45 | GyrosGeier | stew, sure |
| 19:14.45 | stew | DevilChaos: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-k7 linux-headers-2.6-k7 ; and reboot |
| 19:15.01 | GyrosGeier | stew, I think compiling them should work, just running might pose problems |
| 19:15.01 | stew | GyrosGeier: huh? |
| 19:15.10 | eeyore- | GyrosGeier: is there a reason why i don't seem to get /sys/devices/system/cpu files in x86_64 mode? |
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| 19:15.25 | CyBeR | hey guys, i got a quick question. I am running both sarge and "testing" on 2 dif computers. I know they come with different packages. But im having trouble trying to get my volume control (multimedia keys) to work in "testing" |
| 19:15.25 | CyBeR | It works perfect in sarge but won't show the volume control window. Is there a program i am missing? I have checked and rechecked the settings for everything else. |
| 19:15.30 | DevilChaos | stew ok ill do that then come back :) |
| 19:15.30 | Petaris | Ok, I have a production web server with apache 1.3, php, mysql, vsftp, etc and the dist upgrade wants to install apache2 and remove mysql completly. See here: http://phpfi.com/94767 Is this going to break my setup? Will my mysql server still be funtional? Will my apache configs still work? |
| 19:15.34 | stew | GyrosGeier: is java.applet in gnu classpath? you might be right |
| 19:15.34 | GyrosGeier | (although writing a trivial applet viewer is simple) |
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| 19:16.12 | stew | GyrosGeier: actually i know classpath does, you are right |
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| 19:16.19 | GyrosGeier | eeyore-, indeed, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/ is empty. |
| 19:16.30 | GyrosGeier | eeyore-, I presume ACPI table fuckage |
| 19:16.40 | zulu42 | ACPI again? lol |
| 19:16.44 | eeyore- | GyrosGeier: so, does that mean ACPI cpu frequency scaling won't work in 64-bit mode? |
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| 19:16.51 | stew | SNow: so you might not actually need java-package unless you actually intend to run the applet on this machine |
| 19:17.12 | GyrosGeier | eeyore-, quite likely |
| 19:17.18 | eeyore- | GyrosGeier: we have a couple of iwill opteron boxes running suse/gentoo in 64-bit mode and neither of them have /sys/devices/system/cpu directories |
| 19:17.27 | eeyore- | GyrosGeier: and man the fans are loud! |
| 19:17.49 | GyrosGeier | eeyore-, well, I have a cpu0 directory in there, but no files inside |
| 19:18.07 | stew | same here |
| 19:18.24 | GyrosGeier | eeyore-, ACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1]) |
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| 19:18.58 | GyrosGeier | eeyore-, so the BIOS only supports light suspend |
| 19:19.04 | GyrosGeier | (for me) |
| 19:19.13 | zulu42 | what does mean light suspend? |
| 19:19.21 | GyrosGeier | eeyore-, look for a similar line in your kernel output |
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| 19:19.36 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, ACPI specifies different power levels for devices |
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| 19:19.58 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, the higher the number, the longer it takes to get back but the savings are greater |
| 19:20.05 | SimonRaven | ACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1] C2[C2]) |
| 19:20.18 | eeyore- | GyrosGeier: i don't have any line with "power states" |
| 19:20.18 | rkioko | hi guys |
| 19:20.22 | aaronlin | Hi, I would like to configure Blackbox. Is there a program that will help me, or do I need to do this all manually? |
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| 19:20.27 | SimonRaven | i still have no idea what this crap means |
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| 19:20.38 | rkioko | trying to compile a kde theme on debian and i'm getting the following error |
| 19:20.42 | bornoffire | how would i find where a mouse id in the /dev/ ? (x can't find it...) i see it in ls usb but that dosn't help |
| 19:20.45 | rkioko | lipstik.cpp:162: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `KDE_Q_EXPORT_PLUGIN' with no type |
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| 19:20.58 | rkioko | how do i get it to compile |
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| 19:21.06 | Zenethian | rkioko: sounds like you need to talk to the author of the theme, because its broken. |
| 19:21.23 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, for example, system-wide states are typically S0 (running), S1 (CPU halted), S2 (suspend-to-ram), S3 (suspend-to-ram, shut off more devices), S4 (suspend-to-disk) and S5 (soft-off) |
| 19:21.34 | eeyore- | gyrogei: hmm ... "powernow-k8: BIOS error - no PSB" |
| 19:21.43 | eeyore- | GyrosGeier: ^^^ |
| 19:21.47 | zulu42 | GyrosGeier, there something else very anoying, I can do acpitools -s and I can do hibernate, but I don't know how to wake it back !! lol I have to push power button for 4sec then boot normally to get hand back on my pc! |
| 19:21.48 | rkioko | this happens on all themes i download and try to compile |
| 19:21.57 | SimonRaven | GyrosGeier: so wth does C1 C2 mean? |
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| 19:22.06 | stew | GyrosGeier: what is soft-off? |
| 19:22.13 | UltraSub | i'm having troubles mounting with shfsmount. I want to mount in preserve mode, so i can use the mount as a target for rsync backups, but as soon as I use the preserve parm, I get: shfsmount: Cannot create connection |
| 19:22.14 | UltraSub | normal mount just works ok.. |
| 19:22.15 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, S1 return is ~100ms, S2 ~1s, S3 10s, S4 120s. |
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| 19:22.19 | Zenethian | rkioko: then maybe you've got incompatable libraries with whomever made the themes. Or maybe you're missing some -dev packages. |
| 19:22.22 | zulu42 | ok GyrosGeier |
| 19:22.32 | zulu42 | you are from the consortium? |
| 19:22.33 | zulu42 | :) |
| 19:23.19 | GyrosGeier | SimonRaven, C1 is mostly equivalent to the hlt instruction, C2 usually loses register context and pipeline, C3 is unimplemented by most but would be removing Vcc |
| 19:23.19 | Zenethian | rkioko: try apt-get build-dep kdeartwork and install those packages and then see if it works. |
| 19:23.22 | Capkirk | test |
| 19:23.25 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, sort of |
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| 19:23.55 | zulu42 | what do you mean? |
| 19:23.58 | Padnah | dvs, I think that I now have a registered nick, who knows? |
| 19:24.03 | SimonRaven | GyrosGeier: *swish* over my head when you said 'hlt'. i'm a ppc dude |
| 19:24.12 | aaronlin | Hi, I would like to configure Blackbox. Is there a program that will help me, or do I need to do this all manually? |
| 19:24.25 | GyrosGeier | stew, soft-off is the state where the PSU is turned on, but the box is not booted. i.e. what you perceive as "off". |
| 19:24.29 | SimonRaven | i'll research, thanks |
| 19:24.37 | aaronlin | For example, I think the blackbox menu is the one that lets you launch applications. How would I edit this menu? |
| 19:24.51 | GyrosGeier | stew, but you can do WOL, WOR, WOK, WOA and so on from soft-off. |
| 19:24.58 | Ronin | aaronlin: did you look on blackboxs website for examples? |
| 19:25.16 | aaronlin | Ronin: will do |
| 19:25.29 | Ronin | i know on fluxboxs they tell you what and how |
| 19:25.30 | GyrosGeier | SimonRaven, when the cpu is idle, you usually have an instruction in the idle loop that will stop it until an IRQ happens. |
| 19:25.50 | stew | GyrosGeier: ahh thanks |
| 19:25.52 | GyrosGeier | SimonRaven, conserves about 75% power on Intel. |
| 19:25.58 | ansong | i've installed linux-tree-2.6.15; does it unpack to a specific place? |
| 19:26.05 | eeyore- | what the heck is PSB as far as power is concerned? |
| 19:26.13 | GyrosGeier | SimonRaven, 6% on PowerPC, as the PPC is much saner |
| 19:26.41 | stew | GyrosGeier: you mean 6% or 94%? |
| 19:26.43 | ansong | i'd expect to find it in /usr/src/ but i don't see it there |
| 19:26.46 | rkioko | done apt-get build-dep kdeartwork but still same error |
| 19:26.48 | GyrosGeier | eeyore-, it's the processor descriptor. |
| 19:26.55 | SimonRaven | GyrosGeier: i know it is ;). thanks |
| 19:26.59 | stew | ansong: dpkg -l packagename |
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| 19:27.42 | GyrosGeier | stew, 6%. The ppc already switches off unused units on its own |
| 19:27.42 | stew | ansong: err dpkg -L packagename |
| 19:27.42 | stew | GyrosGeier: ahh, i see |
| 19:27.42 | NOthsouth | what packages I need install for Grafical Interface ? |
| 19:27.49 | GyrosGeier | SimonRaven, the PSB contains control methods that issue the necessary IO accesses to tell the mainboard chipset to halt the CPU clock. |
| 19:27.51 | ansong | stew, thanks |
| 19:28.00 | stew | NOthsouth: x-window-system-core and a desktop env / window manager of your choice (gnome? kde? xfce4?, etc) |
| 19:28.03 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 19:28.09 | zulu42 | GyrosGeier, when you say acpi tables are b0rked, you mean its a dev work or can a simple user can do some probing and make it work? |
| 19:28.13 | UltraSub | someone can give me a hint to a remote filesystem which preserves sid? |
| 19:28.30 | stew | NOthsouth: alternatively, run aptitude, go to tasks and select a desktop task |
| 19:28.36 | NOthsouth | sew. thx dude |
| 19:28.52 | muttix | NOthsouth, read-edid discover mdetect x-window-system kde-core |
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| 19:29.05 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, mostly dev work, but as virtually no bios vendor got it right, you can pass alternate tables to the ACPI subsystem in the kernel |
| 19:29.26 | eeyore- | GyrosGeier: hmm, so you think the bios needs updating or something? :-) |
| 19:29.52 | GyrosGeier | zulu42, check out the acpi4linux project, one of the last things I started before I left was to introduce a database where you can look up your system and whether someone has published better tables for it. |
| 19:30.03 | GyrosGeier | eeyore-, you should check whether there is an update |
| 19:30.11 | GyrosGeier | eeyore-, ACPI is a bitch to get right |
| 19:30.18 | fleuret | hi, ppl |
| 19:30.24 | GyrosGeier | eeyore-, so most mainboard vendors don't. |
| 19:30.27 | fleuret | hey I come here and have no problem to solve :) |
| 19:30.31 | fleuret | can you believe this? |
| 19:30.38 | fleuret | this is a purely social action! :) |
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| 19:30.45 | Bertram | fleuret: lol |
| 19:30.51 | GyrosGeier | hehe |
| 19:31.06 | fleuret | It's kind of weird! :) |
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| 19:31.38 | signius | fleuret maybe your smuggness needs some resolving :-) |
| 19:31.38 | zulu42 | GyrosGeier, I was just lookin for that! thx for the link :) |
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| 19:32.18 | zulu42 | fleuret, help others!! :) |
| 19:32.20 | aaronlin | question: in Windows, there is a search function to help look for files. Is there any similar program on GNU/Linux? |
| 19:32.25 | Padnah | dvs, I have now installed k3b. Thanks for your help. |
| 19:32.31 | fleuret | zulu I'll try :) |
| 19:32.33 | harpo_ | aaronlin: "man find" |
| 19:32.33 | Covener | aaronlin: locate, find |
| 19:32.37 | zulu42 | aaronlin, man find man locate |
| 19:32.38 | SimonRaven | aaronlin: take your pick |
| 19:32.42 | harpo_ | hmm |
| 19:32.48 | __filip_ | Hellom i have Debian installed and Slackware. Grub is installed on my Debian partition. Does somebody know what i should add in my menu.lst so i can boot Slackware? |
| 19:32.53 | harpo_ | seems like Sid's xdm no longer runs ~/.xsession |
| 19:32.56 | harpo_ | anyone else seen that? |
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| 19:33.08 | aaronlin | thanks |
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| 19:33.41 | zulu42 | hey I have another stupid pb, my sound card only work if I run alsaconf, I have to do it at each reboot! |
| 19:33.44 | aaronlin | Ok, ~/.blackboxrc says that my Blackbox main menu file is located at /etc/X11/blackbox/blackbox-menu |
| 19:33.55 | aaronlin | However, this file says # Automatically generated file. Do not edit (see /usr/share/doc/menu/README) |
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| 19:34.07 | ansong | zulu42, as root run alsactl store, after running alsaconf |
| 19:34.11 | zulu42 | alsa is just a matter of snd-* modprobing right? |
| 19:34.18 | stew | zulu42: add the name of the module to /etc/modules |
| 19:34.24 | bartos | zulu42, alsaconf store .. it should work |
| 19:34.34 | bedouin | I forgot that I had unstable in my sources.list, then did an upgrade of my system. It hosed a bunch of stuff (namely KDE)... is there any simple way to get back to where I was before with just the stable releases? |
| 19:34.36 | Ronin | aaronlin: so see the readme :) |
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| 19:34.57 | aaronlin | Ronin: feels like a scavenger hunt |
| 19:34.58 | stew | bedouin: nope |
| 19:35.01 | ansong | bedouin, welcome to unstable. try to enjoy your stay |
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| 19:35.09 | Ronin | aaronlin: it can be at times heh |
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| 19:35.24 | zulu42 | ok guy... I'm pretty confused about all the opaque alsa script :) |
| 19:35.32 | zulu42 | I hope my next reboot it will be ok :) |
| 19:35.39 | rkioko | Zenethian: done apt-get build-dep kdeartwork but still same error |
| 19:35.44 | fleuret | btw if you'd want to buy a small quiet server, what machine would you buy ? |
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| 19:35.49 | bedouin | mac mini |
| 19:35.53 | fleuret | really ? |
| 19:35.56 | ansong | zulu42, when you reboot, run alsaconf to fix your sound. then run alsactl store to save that setting. |
| 19:35.57 | fleuret | come on :) |
| 19:36.03 | fleuret | is it fanless? |
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| 19:36.14 | muttix | or via epic |
| 19:36.21 | fleuret | it's cheap |
| 19:36.21 | fleuret | ? |
| 19:36.21 | zulu42 | thx ansong |
| 19:36.25 | bedouin | it probably has a small one.. but i've never heard it |
| 19:36.28 | krax | is debian providing one stable kernel image, and to get more functionality and security through patches, i need to compile the kernel myself? |
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| 19:37.04 | GyrosGeier | http://chippc.com/products/jackpc/ |
| 19:37.07 | Zenethian | mac minis are nice if you want a tiny personal server, yeah. |
| 19:37.11 | GyrosGeier | this one I want |
| 19:37.27 | GyrosGeier | with a sane OS, however, and that company is not entirely helpful |
| 19:37.32 | bbrazil | krax: there are a few stable kernel images of both 2.4 and 2.6. both recieve security updates |
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| 19:37.52 | DevilChaos | stew:thats done now what? |
| 19:37.59 | bbrazil | krax: there's no point in compiling yourself unless the stock kernels are missing functionality that you actually need |
| 19:38.06 | aaronlin | Ronin: Ok, I think I figured it out |
| 19:38.09 | krax | bbrazil: but to get for example grsecurity, is there an image for that? |
| 19:38.11 | DevilChaos | thats sounds terrible now what dont like saying that |
| 19:38.15 | stew | DevilChaos: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 19:38.17 | daniele_athome | hello |
| 19:38.17 | SimonRaven | no |
| 19:38.19 | bbrazil | krax: no. |
| 19:38.30 | aaronlin | blackbox-menu tells me not to edit it because update-menus is a program that Debian automatically runs which tracks dpkgs and puts them in the menus |
| 19:38.32 | foo | Does debian use apm or acpi? |
| 19:38.38 | daniele_athome | I have a problem with my sound card SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 |
| 19:38.41 | aaronlin | however, the program i want to add is not a dpkg, so I can edit it anyway |
| 19:38.42 | SimonRaven | eitheer |
| 19:38.45 | DevilChaos | stew: just do the one liner again i have it written down? |
| 19:38.51 | aaronlin | the only problem is that I think the next time update-menus is run, it will wipe out my entry |
| 19:38.52 | daniele_athome | module is snd-emu10k1 |
| 19:38.54 | Lee__ | krax, I've compiled my own kernels for xfree drivers and network performance tuning but that's all. |
| 19:38.56 | stew | DevilChaos: yes |
| 19:39.00 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 19:39.01 | Ronin | aaronlin: thats correct however you can change that by editing the path in the init script to a custom menu |
| 19:39.09 | Lee__ | !tell krax about kernel-package |
| 19:39.13 | daniele_athome | that is the error from dmesg: |
| 19:39.14 | daniele_athome | EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:00:09.0 failed with error -12 |
| 19:39.22 | Ronin | aaronlin: also for more precise information id try #blackbox |
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| 19:39.38 | lzap | hello, any1 is using Dovecot here? |
| 19:39.40 | aaronlin | Ronin: Ok, awesome, all I had to do was edit the path for Firefox (I updated to 1.5 instead of Debian's 1.0) |
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| 19:40.03 | krax | ok thanks |
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| 19:40.23 | lzap | /etc/init.d/dovecot restart doesnt work for me (only stop &&Â start), it just prints Restarting message out and halt... |
| 19:40.36 | stew | lzap: checked the bts? /msg dpkg bts |
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| 19:40.51 | lzap | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:42.14 | amorphix | Debian2006 what they got planned for us |
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| 19:42.31 | Eno_ | Hmm? |
| 19:42.38 | amorphix | new releases etc |
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| 19:43.05 | Eulex | amorphix, if we're *very* lucky, etch will be released this year. but I doubt it. |
| 19:43.10 | Tortel | :D |
| 19:43.11 | amorphix | phew |
| 19:43.20 | Tortel | etch == cool |
| 19:43.27 | ralfWORK | what is etch? |
| 19:43.32 | Eulex | !etch |
| 19:43.32 | Ronin | ralfWORK: testing |
| 19:43.33 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 19:43.35 | foo | ralfWORK: etch-a-sketch |
| 19:43.43 | foo | ralfWORK: :) |
| 19:44.02 | Eulex | !tell ralfWORK about releases |
| 19:44.16 | ralfWORK | I didn't know that was the codename |
| 19:44.26 | ralfWORK | if that came out this year it would be a miracle |
| 19:44.30 | Eno_ | I wasn't holding my breath for Etch. I was expecting at least 2-3 years...? |
| 19:44.39 | ralfWORK | yea seriously |
| 19:44.48 | setog3 | sid kill etch when he wants |
| 19:44.51 | amorphix | these guys are working hard |
| 19:44.55 | amorphix | who knows |
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| 19:45.44 | Eulex | Eno_, they are trying to reduce the time it will take before etch is out, so it won't take another 3 years, like between woody and sarge. |
| 19:45.46 | amorphix | who had an etch-a-sketch? |
| 19:46.04 | amorphix | wasnt that a cool way to waste a few hours |
| 19:46.08 | amorphix | whatever happened to those |
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| 19:46.17 | Ronin | amorphix: they're still in stores |
| 19:46.18 | ralfWORK | amorphix: I did |
| 19:46.22 | amorphix | woah really |
| 19:46.27 | amorphix | i had one in the 1970's |
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| 19:46.37 | amorphix | until someone sat on it :-/ |
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| 19:46.45 | amorphix | all this silver mucky stuff came out |
| 19:47.01 | ralfWORK | seems someone told me you could make thermite from that stuff |
| 19:47.25 | amorphix | whats thermite? is that like dynamite |
| 19:47.29 | ralfWORK | nope |
| 19:47.30 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 19:47.31 | ralfWORK | not at all |
| 19:47.32 | amorphix | hehe |
| 19:47.38 | Ronin | ralfWORK: ha i wish, that'd be fun |
| 19:47.40 | SimonRaven | !dict thermite |
| 19:47.42 | dpkg | could not find definition for thermite |
| 19:47.46 | ralfWORK | bah |
| 19:47.51 | Set | !dict termite |
| 19:47.53 | dpkg | Dictionary 'termite' (2): Termite \Ter"mite\, n.; pl. Termites. [F. See Termes.] (Zo["o]l.) Any one of numerous species of pseudoneoropterous insects belonging to Termes and allied genera; -- called also white ant. See Illust. of White ant. ;; whitish soft-bodied ant-like social insect that feeds on wood . |
| 19:47.59 | ralfWORK | hahahahah |
| 19:48.01 | ralfWORK | no, not that |
| 19:48.03 | amorphix | :D |
| 19:48.07 | stew | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite |
| 19:48.19 | Set | it was a good suggestion, though |
| 19:48.22 | ralfWORK | thermite is a chemical that burns at a very high temperature |
| 19:48.34 | ralfWORK | a small bit would burn through an engine block |
| 19:48.37 | ralfWORK | straight to the ground |
| 19:48.41 | amorphix | ooo |
| 19:48.49 | ralfWORK | yea :) |
| 19:48.52 | amorphix | heavy duty |
| 19:48.53 | ralfWORK | I've never seen it in actuan |
| 19:48.56 | ralfWORK | action |
| 19:49.13 | Ronin | which whould aside from safety issues boost my purchase of etch-a-sketchs :) |
| 19:49.32 | amorphix | has anyone ever seen nitroglcyrene in action? |
| 19:49.36 | ralfWORK | nope |
| 19:49.40 | amorphix | excuse spelling |
| 19:49.43 | ralfWORK | I've never even made napalm :( |
| 19:49.47 | stew | amorphix: my grandmother has to take it almost daily |
| 19:50.09 | amorphix | stew: I thought that stuff was liquid dynamite and highly unstable |
| 19:50.13 | stew | amorphix: yup |
| 19:50.16 | amorphix | haha |
| 19:50.23 | stew | amorphix: its also good for preventint heart attacks |
| 19:50.30 | amorphix | woah |
| 19:50.35 | Ronin | just dont get a startle :) |
| 19:50.43 | Set | So, unstable explosives are good for you?... |
| 19:50.43 | ralfWORK | hahaah until she falls down the stairs |
| 19:50.46 | ralfWORK | and explodes |
| 19:50.48 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 19:50.53 | amorphix | i know glycerene is used in many many products and foods |
| 19:51.25 | stew | amorphix: if you google nitroglycerine+heart you will find tons of info |
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| 19:51.56 | amorphix | how strange |
| 19:52.13 | Set | what about termites and car engines? |
| 19:52.30 | ralfWORK | Set: special breeds of termites can eat through engine blocks |
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| 19:52.42 | amorphix | those little blighters will eat anything but dunno about engines |
| 19:52.44 | Set | ralfWORK, termites scare me |
| 19:52.55 | ralfWORK | large insects scare me |
| 19:52.55 | Ronin | me too Set but then i own a house |
| 19:53.05 | Ronin | well the bank does actually :) |
| 19:53.35 | Set | I'm more scared of multi colored butterflies |
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| 19:53.51 | ralfWORK | like waterbugs |
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| 19:54.18 | amorphix | things that change from worms into flying things are quite scary I must admit |
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| 19:54.57 | amorphix | what about those fire flies you guys have |
| 19:55.02 | amorphix | do they burn you? |
| 19:55.05 | ralfWORK | uhm no |
| 19:55.15 | stew | amorphix: no they are about as docile as can be |
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| 19:55.29 | amorphix | you could capture one in a jar and illuminate your room to read |
| 19:55.33 | amorphix | save on electric |
| 19:55.35 | Tortel | yarr |
| 19:55.35 | Set | wow |
| 19:55.38 | Set | I want one of those |
| 19:55.48 | ralfWORK | water bugs scare me cause I hear stories of them crawling into bed and sleeping in your armpits for warmth |
| 19:55.52 | ralfWORK | that would freak me out |
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| 19:55.55 | stew | amorphix: maybe if you catch a thousand in a jar |
| 19:56.01 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 19:56.06 | Most_Wanted | hi |
| 19:56.06 | Set | awww... water bugs don't want to sleep alone |
| 19:56.08 | LostFrog | ralfWORK: My ex-wife used to do that. |
| 19:56.23 | ralfWORK | I would not want to wake up with that bigass bug |
| 19:56.25 | stew | LostFrog: sleep with waterbugs in her pits? |
| 19:56.39 | Set | kinky |
| 19:56.41 | ralfWORK | hahahaaha |
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| 19:56.49 | ralfWORK | bugse.cx |
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| 19:57.06 | LostFrog | stew: crawl into bed and sleep in my armpit for warmth. |
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| 19:58.09 | LostFrog | I thought bugse.cx was shut down. |
| 19:58.23 | linckraker | what steps do i need to take to recompile my kernel in testing |
| 19:58.39 | amorphix | the worse insect of all that scares me is those crazy dragon flies that dive bomb you in the summer |
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| 19:59.09 | amorphix | long bodies and many wings like helicoptors |
| 19:59.15 | numist | dpkg -i life |
| 19:59.16 | ralfWORK | eh. they are ok |
| 19:59.36 | sepski | amorphix, not the pests that lay eggs in your head that grow swollen and spawn new pests ? |
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| 19:59.46 | Shad0wcat | dpkg -r life |
| 19:59.47 | ralfWORK | yea those ones suck too |
| 19:59.53 | amorphix | :-/ |
| 19:59.53 | Shad0wcat | hahaha |
| 19:59.55 | Shad0wcat | that's funny |
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| 20:00.06 | sepski | now i love living in norway where all the creeps dies from cold :) |
| 20:00.07 | ralfWORK | I wouldn't want to have anything lay eggs in me |
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| 20:00.15 | Set | I hate norwegian wasps |
| 20:00.18 | Set | god they suck |
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| 20:00.29 | ralfWORK | why do they suck more than norrmal wasps? |
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| 20:00.31 | Crissi | i have updated my debian unstable but now wpa_supplicant doesnt work anymore.. it miss engine_pkcs11.so file.. any hints where its moved? |
| 20:00.37 | LostFrog | dpkg -r --purge life |
| 20:00.40 | Set | because they are the only ones I know |
| 20:00.51 | LostFrog | haha |
| 20:00.57 | LostFrog | Doesn't understand --purge |
| 20:01.02 | kspath | norsk? |
| 20:01.05 | Set | ja |
| 20:01.14 | abrotman | LostFrog: obviously .. just use -P |
| 20:01.17 | abrotman | dpkg -P life |
| 20:01.17 | kspath | I do not sorry |
| 20:01.34 | abrotman | see .. no purging allowed! |
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| 20:01.54 | manu | How can i install gnome 2.12 in debian |
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| 20:02.22 | de-almasy | how do you start svnserve upon boot (i'll get kicked in the ass for asking without consulting the docs first) |
| 20:02.45 | ralfWORK | heh. I don't use svnserve :P |
| 20:02.49 | ralfWORK | use the apache mod |
| 20:02.58 | de-almasy | i cant, it's apache 1.3 here |
| 20:03.00 | DevilChaos | stew: i did the one-liner it flew through it but i got to the end where x should have went ping and gave me the gdm prompt but it anly gave me a beep then black screen again |
| 20:03.03 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 20:03.07 | sonyman | I'm trying to remove linux-image-2.6.14-2-686-smp and the uninstall process freezes at Purging configuration files for linux-image-2.6.14-2-686-smp ... Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub . |
| 20:03.29 | ralfWORK | I hear ya, that's why I moved to apache2 |
| 20:03.30 | ralfWORK | heh |
| 20:04.05 | de-almasy | i wish to move,.. but then.. our prod server is 1.3 so my test server must follow suit |
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| 20:04.19 | Crissi | how i can limit the bandwidth of apt use? |
| 20:04.21 | muttix | manu, in what repo is gnome 2.12 ?... testing, unstable or experimental ?... maybe you could use apt-pinning ?... also depends on what version of debian you are useing ? |
| 20:04.21 | amorphix | how do you guys cook stuff these days? microwave or conventional ovens? |
| 20:04.36 | LostFrog | With heat, amorphix. |
| 20:04.43 | ehn | muttix: it's in experimental |
| 20:05.02 | muttix | uhhh |
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| 20:05.18 | amorphix | LostFrog: you light a fire outside? |
| 20:05.29 | LostFrog | Heat != fire |
| 20:05.31 | Ronin | amorphix: depeneds on how much time i have, and how could you have forgotten the hallowed bbq? |
| 20:05.38 | ralfWORK | I cook stuff on my cars engine block |
| 20:05.45 | muttix | Crissi, never did try this myself but it should work --> ifconfig eth0 rate 2M |
| 20:05.47 | LostFrog | Mmm.. road pizza, ralfWORK. |
| 20:05.55 | ralfWORK | LostFrog: that's the preferred meat, yea |
| 20:05.59 | ralfWORK | :) |
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| 20:06.01 | amorphix | I wanna find a new time saving way to cook that doesnt turn food into toxic crap like a microwave does |
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| 20:06.11 | ralfWORK | amorphix: that's a myth |
| 20:06.13 | Ronin | amorphix: fire up that grill |
| 20:06.24 | LostFrog | amorphix: look into convection ovens. |
| 20:06.25 | ralfWORK | microwaves don't turn food into toxic crap |
| 20:06.26 | amorphix | yeah I need a grill thing |
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| 20:06.51 | DevilChaos | stew:? |
| 20:06.58 | dondelelcaro | ah... so you want to get cancer from the chemicals that grilling creates... |
| 20:06.58 | LostFrog | Foods cooked correctly in the uWave doesn't suck, like ralfWORK said. |
| 20:07.11 | ralfWORK | dondelelcaro: I was about to say that lol |
| 20:07.27 | amorphix | thats not true |
| 20:07.30 | LostFrog | dondelelcaro: we are dying anyways. |
| 20:07.30 | ralfWORK | oh I didn't say microwaved food doesn't suck |
| 20:07.38 | ralfWORK | I just said it wasn't toxic :) |
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| 20:07.52 | dondelelcaro | LostFrog: it's the condition of living... |
| 20:07.54 | amorphix | ralfWORK: what about oxidants and free radicals |
| 20:08.02 | ralfWORK | amorphix: where is your proof that microwaves turn food toxic |
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| 20:08.05 | LostFrog | I have made many good dishes in the microwave. |
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| 20:08.16 | ralfWORK | you'd better start rattling off URLs pretty quick |
| 20:08.21 | amorphix | ralfWORK: I've looked at some mighty convincing evidence and scientific studies |
| 20:08.24 | oneo | hey all - i bought one of those usb ninteno controllers from retrozone and it said that it should use standard HID drivers...when i plug in the controller to the usb port, lsusb shows it fine: "Bus 002 Device 005: ID f000:0040" but its not assigning it to a /dev/ device...anyone good with USB stuff? |
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| 20:09.00 | Padnah | I would like to select a firewall package in Debian. Presently in XP I use a firewall called Tiny Firewall 2005. Can someone recommend a firewall in the Debian package that would be similar to this and as effective? |
| 20:09.01 | amorphix | if you wanna do a simple slightly scientific experiment to prove that microwave cooking alters what you put it in there is a way |
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| 20:09.34 | SimonRaven | personal firewalls are a scam |
| 20:09.43 | amorphix | virus software is a scam also? |
| 20:09.49 | dondelelcaro | Padnah: just don't run software on your machine that you don't need. |
| 20:09.50 | DevilChaos | yup |
| 20:09.51 | Set | software is a scam |
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| 20:09.52 | amorphix | the companies who make it also manufacture the viruses? |
| 20:09.55 | Set | it's just 1's and 0's |
| 20:10.09 | Set | You CAN'T copyright 1's and 0's! |
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| 20:10.14 | amorphix | haha |
| 20:10.14 | Crissi | muttix: this wornt work |
| 20:10.14 | NelsonFx | Set, true men |
| 20:10.14 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 20:10.24 | Crissi | maybe you mean iwconfig |
| 20:10.25 | amorphix | well said |
| 20:10.26 | manu | muttix: I have testig with pinning enabled |
| 20:10.29 | DevilChaos | companys can suck on my ass |
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| 20:10.45 | dondelelcaro | Padnah: if you really want a firewall in the machine, apt-cache search firewall; |
| 20:10.48 | manu | muttix: I did apt-get dist-upgrade -t unstable but still gome is in version 2.12 |
| 20:10.57 | manu | muttix: How can i upgrade it |
| 20:11.02 | amorphix | has anyone started writing viruses for Linux users yet |
| 20:11.14 | kyncani | Padnah: don't know about this xp thingie, but with gnu/linux, you may want to take a look at firestarter or shorewall (both very different) |
| 20:11.17 | amorphix | ive never heard or seen of a virus in Linux |
| 20:11.26 | Set | no. they are improving wine, so that everyone can enjoy the same viruses |
| 20:11.28 | dondelelcaro | manu: uh... gnome 2.12 is the newest version. |
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| 20:11.32 | amorphix | hehe |
| 20:11.59 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: we don't really call them viruses. They tend to be worms instead. |
| 20:12.00 | kracho | amorphix: e.g. the infamous influenza virus is cross platform, not only for linux users |
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| 20:12.12 | manu | dondelelcaro: Is it available in debian |
| 20:12.12 | amorphix | backdoor trojans? |
| 20:12.16 | Set | does it use java? |
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| 20:12.30 | dondelelcaro | manu: yes, but only in experimental. |
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| 20:12.35 | Dorfl | Where might I find descriptions of what abilities the various groups in /etc/group possess please? |
| 20:12.45 | Crissi | i have updated my debian unstable but now wpa_supplicant doesnt work anymore.. it miss engine_pkcs11.so file.. any hints where its moved? |
| 20:12.55 | DevilChaos | stew doesnt seem to be answering anyone any idea bout whats wrong i did the one liner for nvidia and it went through it all then i got to the end after apt-reconfigure xserver when i typed gdm all i got was a beep and still a blck screen anyone? |
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| 20:13.11 | Set | Crissi, tried searching for it? |
| 20:13.26 | Crissi | yes |
| 20:13.37 | Crissi | but packages.debian.org is down |
| 20:13.48 | dondelelcaro | !+find engine_pkcs11.so |
| 20:13.50 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 20:13.53 | ludi | I get an error when I login that says my .dmrc file has incorrect permissions and is being ignored. Would anyone be able to help me fix the problem? Thanks. |
| 20:13.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell Crissi -about search |
| 20:13.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'engine_pkcs11.so' (1): (/usr/lib/engines/engine_pkcs11.so) in libs/libengine-pkcs11-openssl. |
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| 20:14.40 | xidaux | hello |
| 20:14.58 | Crissi | nice |
| 20:14.59 | Set | Crissi: Rather than a beep... Or a rude error message, These words: “File not found.” |
| 20:15.18 | ludi | for the instructions with /msg dpkg 2006 key, it's asking for a password, but I don't know which one? root? user? |
| 20:15.31 | dondelelcaro | ludi: stat -c '%a %A\n' /path/to/your/.dmrc |
| 20:15.40 | xidaux | amorphix: Can I private message you for a second just to see if private messaging works without a 'registered nick' on open projects ? |
| 20:15.47 | amorphix | sure |
| 20:15.55 | xidaux | amorphix: like a 'testing 123' type of thing |
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| 20:16.06 | amorphix | go for it |
| 20:16.12 | Set | Crissi: You step in the stream, but the water has moved on. The file is not there. |
| 20:16.19 | xidaux | amorphix: cool thanks |
| 20:17.10 | xidaux | amorphix: Hmmm |
| 20:17.17 | amorphix | didnt get through |
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| 20:17.33 | xidaux | amorphix: interesting thanks |
| 20:17.34 | ludi | what password do I use when adding the 2006 gpg key? |
| 20:17.38 | Set | Crissi: The file has been moved. We'd tell you where, but then we'd have to delete you. |
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| 20:17.58 | dondelelcaro | ludi: you shouldn't need one. |
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| 20:18.00 | xidaux | amorphix: holy crap I just realized I wasted alot of my time before then trying to message someone |
| 20:18.03 | xidaux | :) |
| 20:18.04 | Ronin | xidaux: why should it work? thats a freenode netowrk |
| 20:18.11 | amorphix | hehe |
| 20:18.13 | DevilChaos | anyone help with nvidia any idea bout how to get rid of the black screen of death ive done the one -liner for nvidia |
| 20:18.15 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 20:18.18 | ludi | dondelelcaro: was I supposed to run that command as root? |
| 20:18.26 | xidaux | Ronin: Let me try it with you just to double check ? |
| 20:18.31 | Ronin | sure |
| 20:18.33 | DevilChaos | i feel like im being a pest now saying it over again |
| 20:18.38 | dondelelcaro | ludi: not necessary. |
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| 20:19.01 | ludi | dondelelcaro: then why is it asking for a password? |
| 20:19.07 | xidaux | Ronin: Ok I messaged you three lines allready |
| 20:19.13 | Ronin | nothing here xidaux |
| 20:19.25 | dondelelcaro | ludi: which command? the apt-key one? it's asking for your user's password since you told it to use sudo. |
| 20:19.39 | xidaux | Ronin: ahah ! |
| 20:19.39 | Set | Crissi: No longer exists. The File is forever gone. Look for something else. |
| 20:19.44 | dondelelcaro | ludi: you need to either use sudo or some equivalent that will enable the apt-key add -; step to be run as root. |
| 20:19.46 | xidaux | Ronin: So I was smart to check then see ? |
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| 20:20.00 | ludi | dondelelcaro: ss9 is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 20:20.08 | ludi | I never use sudo, how do I do it? |
| 20:20.11 | Ronin | xidaux: not really :) if its a freenode network server its been disabled, correct? |
| 20:20.20 | Dorfl | ludi: su - yourself to root then sudoedit /etc/sudoers |
| 20:20.21 | xidaux | Ronin: I used three different chat clients and the only one that told me it didn't work without a registered nickname was BitchX which is not GOOD at all |
| 20:20.26 | DevilChaos | ok bbl then see if i can speak to stew :) |
| 20:20.43 | Crissi | Set: which replace it? |
| 20:20.50 | Dorfl | ludi: In there, it should be fairly straightforward what to add/change. |
| 20:20.50 | rambo3 | i installed debian woody (old laptop no cd nor floppy ) from HD . i extracted installlation cd on FAT(win 95) partition that is mounted as /mnt/win . so thats /mnt/win/debian =cd 1 . how do i add this to the sources.lst ? deb file:/mnt/win/debian woody stable main doesnt work |
| 20:20.51 | eeyore- | bbl, lunch |
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| 20:21.11 | Set | Crissi, I don't know. Sorry if I mislead you.. I'm just pasting error message haiku's |
| 20:21.53 | ludi | Dorfl: do I need to add the ALL=(ALL) ALL stuff like root has? |
| 20:22.04 | Dorfl | ludi: That's the general idea, yup. |
| 20:22.17 | Lee__ | seemingle silly question but bear with me...is it possible to have X launch without a keyboard + mouse? |
| 20:22.28 | Set | yes |
| 20:22.33 | Dorfl | Just make sure that your ss9 password is secure then as well. |
| 20:22.34 | ludi | Dorfl: how do I save and exit with this program? It's not using vi commands |
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| 20:22.45 | Dorfl | ludi: Ctrl-x, y |
| 20:22.47 | ludi | Dorfl: It's very secure |
| 20:23.03 | bobw_ | i just ran, apt-get -d install etherape ...i dont see the .deb file anywhere? PLease help |
| 20:23.15 | Dorfl | Sudoedit usually defaults to nano in my experience. |
| 20:23.20 | Lee__ | Set, was that a yes to me? |
| 20:23.27 | Set | Lee__? |
| 20:23.31 | Set | yes |
| 20:23.33 | Set | it was |
| 20:23.34 | Set | :) |
| 20:23.54 | eeyore- | no |
| 20:23.58 | Set | Crissi, something to cheer you up |
| 20:24.01 | Set | Errors have occurred. We won't tell you where or why. Lazy programmers. |
| 20:24.07 | takatumi | tarzeau: bubbles? |
| 20:24.10 | dondelelcaro | Dorfl: it defaults to /usr/bin/sensible-editor |
| 20:24.30 | Dorfl | Hmm. Good to know. |
| 20:24.33 | dondelelcaro | (as should everything in Debian that wants to talk to an editor) |
| 20:24.34 | Dorfl | Sure looks like nano. |
| 20:24.35 | Lee__ | Set, so how would I go about starting X without a mouse or keyboard attached? |
| 20:24.52 | Lee__ | it can't be as simple as leaving out the Pointer definition, right? |
| 20:24.56 | Set | I use kubunt and it just does |
| 20:24.57 | Set | :) |
| 20:25.00 | Set | kubuntu* |
| 20:25.01 | dondelelcaro | Dorfl: on your system, you have nano set up as the highest preference for /usr/bin/editor; that's not necessarily the csae. |
| 20:25.11 | Dorfl | Aha |
| 20:25.17 | Dorfl | I suspected as much. |
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| 20:25.29 | Ryushin | What would be the approprite mailing list to post about the recent xserver-xorg update to Sid? There was a patch in the experimental xorg that allowed me to paste and scroll using my Thinkpad. It seems the patch didn't filter it's way into Sid. Or at least it no longer works since the upgrade. |
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| 20:25.48 | dondelelcaro | Dorfl: less /usr/bin/sensible-editor; and ls -l /etc/alternatives/editor; man update-alternatives; you'll catch right on. |
| 20:26.12 | dondelelcaro | Ryushin: you can file a bug, or ask on debian-x@lists.debian.org |
| 20:26.36 | intero | does anyone get this error on bash, while completing hostnames? ssh ma<TAB> sed: -e expression #1, char 20: unterminated `s' command |
| 20:26.37 | Ryushin | debian-x sounds good. Thanks dondelelcaro. |
| 20:27.14 | dondelelcaro | intero: it's because your .ssh/known_hosts has no non-hashed entries; there's a bug filed about it with a patch already |
| 20:27.38 | intero | dondelelcaro: could not find it, thanks alot, i'll look better |
| 20:28.02 | dondelelcaro | intero: hosts=$( compgen -W "$( sed -ne 's/^[Hh][Oo][Ss][Tt][\\t ]*\([^*?]*\)$/\1/p' ${config[@]} )" -- $ocur ); is the line you want. |
| 20:28.59 | Daveman | hey dondelelcaro :) |
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| 20:29.49 | intero | dondelelcaro: thanks alot, seems like i had some extra character istead of \\t ;) |
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| 20:31.36 | intero | dondelelcaro: yes, i confirm it solved it. thanks alot and HNW =) |
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| 20:35.25 | hcy | trying to upgrade my 'scribus' package, apt-get says it's gonna remove a bunch of stuff that's unrelated to scribus. how can i prevent that? (The following packages will be REMOVED: alsa-headers filelight k3b k3blibs kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-kio-plugins kdelibs-bin kdelibs4 kdesktop kfind konqueror ksubtitleripper kuser libarts1 libkonq4 libqt3c102-mt lyx-common lyx-qt) |
| 20:35.41 | Set | omg |
| 20:35.44 | Set | it's going to kill kde |
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| 20:35.57 | bobw_ | how can i copy all the packages dependant on etherape to one directory? |
| 20:36.06 | Set | etherape? |
| 20:36.07 | Set | lol |
| 20:36.10 | Set | !dict etherape |
| 20:36.11 | dpkg | could not find definition for etherape |
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| 20:36.25 | hcy | Set: i'm a gnome user, i just use some kde apps and hence have the libs |
| 20:36.27 | Dorfl | !dict squamous |
| 20:36.28 | bedouin | Is there any way to use apt-get to do what the orginal Debian installer did by like installing "KDE desktop" or "web server" as a group of packages? |
| 20:36.29 | dpkg | Dictionary 'squamous' Squamose \Squa*mose"\ (? or ?), Squamous \Squa"mous\, [L. squamosus, fr. squama a scale: cf. F. squameux.] 1. Covered with, or consisting of, scales; resembling a scale; scaly; as, the squamose cones of the pine; squamous epithelial cells; the squamous portion of the temporal bone, which is so called from a fancied resemblance to a scale. |
| 20:36.40 | bedouin | Could I just rerun the installer and achieve the same thing? |
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| 20:37.06 | mrjive | bedouin: i think it's tasksel |
| 20:37.07 | Irrumator | bedouin: Install tasksel |
| 20:37.17 | bedouin | ah.. ok |
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| 20:37.48 | benjamindees | is there a way to list only pseudo packages? |
| 20:38.22 | jilocasin | ello all, trying to really learn GNU/Linux both to replace my Win2k set up and to eventually admin at the office. Is Debian (stable/unstable) a good choice? |
| 20:38.49 | bizkit | jilocasin: sure, #debian is a good place to ask such a question |
| 20:38.51 | bizkit | :-P |
| 20:39.01 | Set | Debian is useless for that kind of tasks |
| 20:39.06 | mrjive | lol |
| 20:39.07 | Set | j/k |
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| 20:39.21 | Irrumator | Debian stable is great for servers. |
| 20:39.48 | jilocasin | bizkit: I've tried RedHat 5ish, Slackware, and even an Old Potato in the past. |
| 20:40.19 | Daedalus_ | jilocasin: Either are good for playing around. UNstable will have "newer" version s of software, so that might be a consideration. But if you're just starting out, stable might be a good option |
| 20:40.27 | The_Ball | i have set up a raid array, but it is not automaticaly detected at boot, is there a way to make this happen or do i need to create a raidtab? |
| 20:40.37 | abrotman | sw or hw |
| 20:40.42 | benjamindees | jilocasin, I started on stable; it's a good way to learn |
| 20:40.44 | bobw_ | how can i view information about a package such as author, depends, etc...all in one command |
| 20:40.54 | abrotman | bobw_: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 20:40.57 | jilocasin | Daudalus_:where would I find information? |
| 20:40.59 | Daedalus_ | The_Ball: raidtab is only used by mkraid during raid creation... |
| 20:41.24 | bizkit | abrotman: do you have a trigger for 'raid' to pubmsg sw or hw? unbelievable :-D |
| 20:41.28 | bobw_ | abrotman, ah yes thanks... |
| 20:41.31 | benjamindees | jilocasin, and, once you're comfortable, it's the best general-purpose distro |
| 20:41.40 | abrotman | bizkit: i have this thing about sw raid ... i don't touch it :) |
| 20:41.47 | The_Ball | Daedalus_, oh, ok, does debian look for a raid config file? |
| 20:41.48 | Daedalus_ | jilocasin: I preffer the "trial by fire" approach. Set a goal for yourself and see if you can pull it off. eg: I want to set up a webserver. |
| 20:41.56 | abrotman | bobw_: for other nifty things .. man apt-cache |
| 20:41.59 | jilocasin | I've got Sarge installed, XFCE/KDE mess I think. |
| 20:42.22 | jilocasin | Daedalus_: My first goal it to replace (as much as possible) my current win2k setup |
| 20:42.23 | FarrisG | Can anyone tell me how to figure out why my highpoint (fakeraid) RAID 5 array is seeing better write performance than my 3ware RAID 50? |
| 20:42.23 | Daedalus_ | jilocasin: If you're looking for books or something, orielly is usually a pretty good source, though other folks here might have a good book or two to recommend |
| 20:42.34 | The_Ball | abrotman, you were to quick didn't see your message, it's software with mdadm |
| 20:42.34 | jilocasin | ok. |
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| 20:43.01 | Daedalus_ | The_Ball: Hardware or software raid |
| 20:43.07 | Daedalus_ | Ah |
| 20:43.08 | jilocasin | Now if I could just get Firefox/Thunderbird installed and get X out of 60Hz |
| 20:43.30 | Daedalus_ | The_Ball: you may need to set the partition types to 0xFD (raid autodetect) |
| 20:43.32 | oneo | hey all - i bought one of those usb ninteno controllers from retrozone and it said that it should use standard HID drivers...when i plug in the controller to the usb port, lsusb shows it fine: "Bus 002 Device 005: ID f000:0040" but its not assigning it to a /dev/ device...anyone good with USB stuff? when i plug the controller in, i get this in dmesg: "usb 2-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6...usbhid: probe of 2-2:1.0 failed |
| 20:43.49 | bizkit | jilocasin: apt-get install mozilla-firefox && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 20:43.55 | Daedalus_ | jilocasin: synaptic is your friend |
| 20:44.00 | The_Ball | Daedalus_, ah! that might be it, they are 83 linux |
| 20:44.24 | jilocasin | thanks for the encouragement. |
| 20:44.27 | lekvar | I'm having trouble making laptop card services work right. in dmesg it notices it "pccard: PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0", but i have to go through several steps to get a network interface up. |
| 20:44.30 | jilocasin | bye |
| 20:44.36 | bizkit | oneo: 2.6? |
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| 20:44.43 | lekvar | (this is an improvement over before where i'd also get IRQ storms) |
| 20:44.52 | benjamindees | the best thing about stable is, if something doesn't work, you can be 95% sure it's your fault |
| 20:45.15 | oneo | bizkit - yep |
| 20:45.17 | benjamindees | well, 98% |
| 20:45.25 | bizkit | oneo: apt-get install udev hal |
| 20:45.44 | oneo | bizkit - will that pose a problem if devfs is currently used? |
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| 20:46.25 | bizkit | oneo: sorry, i don't know. isn't devfs deprecated? |
| 20:47.00 | bizkit | !devfs |
| 20:47.00 | dpkg | from memory, devfs is obsolete and was [basically] removed from Linux from 2.6.13, or ask me about devfs faq |
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| 20:47.04 | The_Ball | btw, on the subject on raid, have anybody used the "mdadm grow" on raid5? |
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| 20:50.29 | de-almasy | phew... |
| 20:51.02 | de-almasy | so much for the effort to get svnserve starts at boot |
| 20:52.46 | sifi-x | what is default for debian KDE or GNOME? |
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| 20:53.13 | benjamindees | gnome is default but both are in a standard desktop install |
| 20:53.26 | AciD | sifi-x > this is a troll ? |
| 20:53.36 | sifi-x | benjamindees, why is not KDE standard like in KNOPPIX and kanotix? |
| 20:54.01 | benjamindees | sifi-x, not sure |
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| 20:54.34 | blondie | o.o |
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| 20:54.57 | spiekey | hello! |
| 20:55.03 | resiak | sifi-x, benjamindees: Presumably because KDE was previously non-free, so Gnome was the default. Changing it would involve a flamewar, and there's no point. |
| 20:55.04 | spiekey | how can i "unpack" a deb package? |
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| 20:55.24 | blondie | why do you want to |
| 20:55.25 | blondie | ? |
| 20:55.40 | Crissi | if you have mc installed just go into it.. CONTENTS contains the files |
| 20:55.42 | sifi-x | resiak, so KDE will be default in etch? |
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| 20:56.03 | benjamindees | I'm using kde and firefox insists on opening gnome apps for every file :-/ |
| 20:56.12 | Tortel | kde sucks |
| 20:56.13 | resiak | sifi-x: Erm. No. Where did I say that?! |
| 20:56.20 | Tortel | sooooo annoying |
| 20:56.26 | resiak | Tortel: So don't use it and shut up. |
| 20:56.31 | sifi-x | resiak, you didn't but I was asking |
| 20:56.45 | resiak | sifi-x: I just said that changing it would involve a flamewar and that there's no point ... |
| 20:56.52 | sifi-x | Tortel, GNOME SUCKS |
| 20:56.57 | Estes | anyone knows about a package that's a POS ? |
| 20:57.04 | Tortel | xdm? |
| 20:57.06 | spiekey | Crissi: i need the configure options the author used to build those binaries. |
| 20:57.16 | spiekey | Crissi: then i need the debian source package, right? |
| 20:57.19 | Crissi | right |
| 20:57.22 | oneo | bizkit - hey when i try that apt-get i get udev: Depends: initscripts (>= 2.85-16) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 20:57.30 | sifi-x | Estes, what is a POS? |
| 20:57.33 | resiak | !pos |
| 20:57.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, pos is defined as Piece Of Shit. or Point of Sale |
| 20:57.59 | Estes | i disagree gnome is excellent, simple, fast, lightweight and stable (Not like KDE, i really mean stable) |
| 20:58.09 | Estes | sifi-x, Point of Sale software |
| 20:58.29 | takatumi | spiekey: ar x foo.deb |
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| 20:58.33 | dob2 | hi |
| 20:58.38 | blondie | Estes: but *a* POS is "a piece of shit" :P |
| 20:58.49 | dob2 | it is changed the public key of the repository? |
| 20:58.55 | sifi-x | blondie, lol |
| 20:58.58 | spiekey | how can i download the src files of a debian package? with apt-get install i only get the binaries |
| 20:59.05 | blondie | :) |
| 20:59.14 | Estes | blondie, but *I* need it and i don't want to HAVE TO use winshit which would already be WAY shittier |
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| 20:59.23 | benjamindees | gnome is nowhere near as stable as kde, and is ridiculously limited in functionality |
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| 20:59.35 | blondie | Estes: you asked for "a POS" :\ |
| 20:59.37 | dob2 | i get this error "W: GPG error: http://ftp.fi.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5" |
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| 20:59.42 | sifi-x | benjamindees, agree |
| 20:59.44 | PPSD | hi |
| 20:59.45 | Estes | blondie, I'm kidding :) |
| 21:00.09 | blondie | hm |
| 21:00.27 | bbrazil | dob2: /topic |
| 21:00.29 | takatumi | dob2: ain't the /topic blinking? |
| 21:00.38 | PPSD | how do i download/install suns jdk on my debian distro (sorry, total newbie to debian) |
| 21:00.44 | mrjive | spiekey: apt-get source |
| 21:00.52 | dob2 | sorry |
| 21:00.54 | takatumi | PPSD: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 21:00.56 | spiekey | mrjive: thanks!!!! |
| 21:01.05 | Estes | benjamindees, i seen apps in KDE crashing more than i seen some crashing in gnome, the point is now to know if it's the app of the desktop env that sucks. anyhow, gnome is lighter, kde takes soooooooo much ressources |
| 21:01.11 | mrjive | spiekey: you're welcome |
| 21:01.19 | PPSD | takatumi: /msg ?? |
| 21:01.20 | Estes | even though, this said, i like kde a lot |
| 21:01.37 | takatumi | !tell PPSD -about java-package |
| 21:01.42 | PPSD | oh |
| 21:01.58 | benjamindees | Estes, that's changed too, kde is much quicker than it used to be, and almost as small as gnome |
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| 21:02.15 | OMGentO_o | hi |
| 21:02.15 | PPSD | thank you |
| 21:02.39 | OMGentO_o | wussup |
| 21:02.42 | Daedalus_ | The_Ball: I haven't. |
| 21:02.59 | Estes | benjamindees, when did this change ? |
| 21:03.06 | Estes | which version ? |
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| 21:03.33 | linckraker | what are the steps for recompiling kernel for testing? |
| 21:03.35 | benjamindees | Estes, throughout the 3.x versions, 3.2 mostly |
| 21:03.39 | abrotman | !tell linckraker about kp |
| 21:03.53 | linckraker | thanks |
| 21:03.54 | Estes | humm |
| 21:03.57 | Estes | i'll try again |
| 21:04.34 | Estes | because i'm not a big fan of nautilus, konqueror is better (as a filemanager and as a filemanager ONLY it sucks BIG TIME as browser) |
| 21:04.39 | benjamindees | Estes, I still wouldn't recommend it in less than like 192 megs, but it can be used for basic stuff in 128 megs |
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| 21:04.59 | benjamindees | right, konqueror needs work |
| 21:04.59 | Estes | i have 256 |
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| 21:05.05 | Estes | no |
| 21:05.13 | Estes | konqueror has to stay a filemanager |
| 21:05.18 | Estes | and let mozilla do the work |
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| 21:05.31 | abrotman | kde is not quick! |
| 21:05.32 | benjamindees | it actually has some nice features for a browser |
| 21:05.43 | abrotman | Estes: what are you lokoing for .. a file browser or a web browser ? |
| 21:05.58 | linckraker | there is no kernel source for 2.6.x? |
| 21:06.05 | abrotman | linckraker: linux-source-**** |
| 21:06.19 | Estes | abrotman, i'm not looking for nothing, i like konqueror as file browser and mozilla as web browser |
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| 21:06.25 | abrotman | oh .. ok |
| 21:06.27 | oneo | anyone know whats up with packages.debian.org? |
| 21:06.30 | linckraker | ahh thanks |
| 21:06.32 | abrotman | oneo: napping |
| 21:06.45 | Estes | abrotman, but i'm looking for a free point of sale software for linux, if possible debianised |
| 21:06.47 | oneo | napping? |
| 21:06.56 | Estes | lol |
| 21:06.59 | abrotman | Estes: apt-cache search POS ? |
| 21:07.11 | Estes | oneo, computers needs a nap from times to times |
| 21:07.11 | benjamindees | konqueror with the kmplayer plugin, kpdf plugin, and site-specific useragents would make a nice browser if it didn't crap out on so many pages... |
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| 21:07.21 | abrotman | Estes: ok .. that's a lot of stuff :) |
| 21:07.24 | oneo | haha ok... |
| 21:07.34 | Estes | abrotman, didn't find at anything like this |
| 21:07.35 | abrotman | oneo: the website should explain it all |
| 21:07.36 | oneo | maybe someone in here knows then - anyone know what package update-rc.d is in? |
| 21:07.42 | Estes | already have apt-cache search'ed |
| 21:07.44 | LostFrog | lol.. apt-get install POS will install windows 95 |
| 21:08.08 | benjamindees | gtg... |
| 21:08.09 | abrotman | Estes: try freshmeat .. then see if it's in debian |
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| 21:08.17 | bpowell | LostFrog: more like Windows ME ;) |
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| 21:09.10 | Estes | abrotman, hum good advice, will do this |
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| 21:10.08 | noideaatall | is there a bash command similar to DOS "pause" ??? |
| 21:10.26 | bpowell | noideaatall: |more |
| 21:10.28 | Estes | heh, excellent |
| 21:10.34 | Estes | based on mozilla framework |
| 21:10.40 | ledet | noideaatall: what does "pause" do? |
| 21:11.06 | noideaatall | it just waits for the user to pres a key to continue |
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| 21:11.50 | mrjive | maybe less is better |
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| 21:12.02 | abrotman | noideaatall: more / less |
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| 21:12.12 | SPLcrazy | anyone want to cyber? |
| 21:12.23 | SPLcrazy | sam8701@hotmail.co.uk |
| 21:12.26 | SPLcrazy | im 19 female |
| 21:12.30 | zinx | sunday again in #debian, i see |
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| 21:12.40 | ledet | SPLcrazy: you suck cock for free... |
| 21:12.47 | ledet | SPLcrazy: now go away |
| 21:12.49 | Estes | noideaatall, "read" will wait for you to press enter |
| 21:12.50 | SPLcrazy | im just horny |
| 21:12.52 | SPLcrazy | sam8701@hotmail.co.uk |
| 21:12.56 | SPLcrazy | add me babes |
| 21:12.57 | abrotman | !ops SPLcrazy obvious |
| 21:12.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: SPLcrazy obvious |
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| 21:13.13 | ledet | bubye love :) |
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| 21:13.21 | ledet | tard... |
| 21:13.42 | abrotman | luckily we can sign her up for d-d mailing lists :) |
| 21:13.50 | noideaatall | thank you guys |
| 21:13.50 | ledet | lol |
| 21:13.52 | zinx | abrotman: uhm, i'm betting that's what he's hoping for |
| 21:13.53 | ledet | good idea :) |
| 21:13.58 | zinx | abrotman: getting someone spammed |
| 21:14.17 | abrotman | yeah .. i've heard that horny people are often disuaded after a few hours of reading d-d |
| 21:14.34 | zinx | abrotman: i think you misunderstood somewhere |
| 21:14.39 | zinx | abrotman: it's not his email :) |
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| 21:15.36 | oneo | im trying to install something via apt-get and it wont proced because update-rc.d is missing...anyone know how to get this back? |
| 21:15.38 | noideaatall | d-d ? |
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| 21:17.03 | jebstark | hello. I would like to connect a debian computer with a computer running osx over our local wifi-connction - could someone give me some pointers where to look for help? |
| 21:17.13 | Eulex | oneo, it's in sysv-rc |
| 21:17.53 | Set | jebstark, define connect |
| 21:17.58 | mrjive | jebstark: what do you mean with "connect"? share files? ssh?.. |
| 21:18.00 | nite613_ | Trying to go sarge->etch, told that e2fsprogs is causing a conflicts/pre-depends loop and to activate APT::Force-LoopBreak |
| 21:18.08 | noideaatall | any one know if there is a way of making an sql query to postgres directly from bash ? |
| 21:18.09 | nite613_ | how does one activate Froce-Loopbreak? |
| 21:18.19 | nite613_ | noideaatall: man psql |
| 21:18.27 | jebstark | mrjive, set: sorry. share files is the word. |
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| 21:18.34 | Set | ftp, or? |
| 21:18.37 | Set | samba? |
| 21:18.39 | jebstark | sure thing |
| 21:18.40 | Set | nfs? |
| 21:18.44 | jmae | alguien habla español? |
| 21:18.57 | Set | que pasta no habla espanol |
| 21:18.59 | abrotman | !es |
| 21:18.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:19.14 | oneo | Eulex - thanks! one problem though - apt-get wont let me install more packages until the unmet dependiences of the previous one is resolved...happen to know how to make it ignore that package? |
| 21:19.23 | jebstark | the thing is that we first of all want to find our computer, let our computer shake hands so to speak... |
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| 21:19.29 | abrotman | jmae: english in this channel .. espanol en #debian-es |
| 21:19.34 | jmae | ok thaks dpkg |
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| 21:19.48 | jebstark | I know how to set up samba, ftp and everything. |
| 21:19.58 | mrjive | jebstark: i guess samba can be a good way |
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| 21:20.43 | Zenethian | ME SPEAKO SPANISHO |
| 21:20.46 | jebstark | mrjive: ok. but how do we find our computer first of all? I did a search with the wifimanager but I didn't find the osx computer |
| 21:20.48 | Zenethian | or something |
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| 21:21.06 | Eulex | abrotman, *español ;P |
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| 21:21.12 | Set | jebstark, open a command prompt, type ping <insert computers IP adress> |
| 21:21.29 | Set | if you get a response, they've found each other |
| 21:21.36 | mentor | hmmm |
| 21:21.39 | mrjive | jebstark: mmm nope. but do you have only 2 pc and no access point or so? |
| 21:21.41 | unsolo | hmm it seems i installed proftpd then removed it and now i cant reinstall it properly |
| 21:21.44 | unsolo | any ideas |
| 21:21.50 | abrotman | mentor: if you're responding to the !ops .. she/it is gone |
| 21:21.52 | lekvar | Howcome if udev doesn't make an eth0 for my ethernet interface, I still activate the interface by saying ifup eth0? |
| 21:21.58 | Set | unsolo, dpkg --purge ? |
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| 21:22.25 | Eulex | jebstark, are you connecting the computers to each other through a router or directly to eachother without a router (ad-hoc)? |
| 21:22.30 | maxb | I'm getting a 'failed!' message from "Mounting local filesystems..." during bootup. Exit code of mount is 32, but no error message whatsoever is shown. Any ideas? |
| 21:22.32 | linckraker | how do i start to configure my kernel after i downloaded all the packages |
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| 21:22.55 | Eulex | oneo, I may be able to help if you would provide the full error |
| 21:22.56 | abrotman | linckraker: that kp factoid should have explained it |
| 21:23.04 | abrotman | or told you where to get docs |
| 21:23.08 | jebstark | eulex, mrjive: direclty if possible, that is. |
| 21:23.26 | linckraker | ok |
| 21:23.30 | mrjive | jebstark: sorry, in this case i don't now |
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| 21:24.01 | jebstark | mrjive: do you know if its possible at all? I know that two osx computer can "speak" that way... |
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| 21:24.22 | abrotman | jebstark: ask #osx |
| 21:24.30 | Eulex | jebstark, then you need to bring the wireless nic on one of the machines into Ad-Hoc mode and let the other one connect to it. |
| 21:24.35 | jebstark | abrotman: I doing just that |
| 21:24.50 | CptS | hi again, i need help with encoding of filenames after i mount a network windows xp share using smbfs (mount smbfs -o username=me,password=pass //compname/share /mnt/share), when i browse to the folder using smb:// i see the filenames right. |
| 21:24.55 | jebstark | eulux: alright! nice, thanks alot! |
| 21:24.58 | Set | jebstark, buy a router |
| 21:25.10 | oneo | Eulex - apt-get install sysv-rc: You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | udev: Depends: initscripts (>= 2.85-16) but it is not going to be installed | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)." |
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| 21:25.41 | mrjive | oneo: so run apt-get -f install :) |
| 21:25.47 | oneo | but initscripts wont install without update-rc.d which is aparantly in sysv-rc |
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| 21:26.08 | mrjive | oneo: already tried apt-get -f install? |
| 21:26.16 | Immortal-XAk- | haaaaapppppppyyyyyyyyyy neeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww yyyyyyyyyeeeeeeaaaaaaaaarrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:26.17 | oneo | mrjive - yep, hehe |
| 21:26.19 | Immortal-XAk- | lol |
| 21:26.19 | Immortal-XAk- | :) |
| 21:26.31 | maxb | oneo: Upgrading an old (pre-sarge) box ? |
| 21:26.33 | mrjive | oneo: ok sorry |
| 21:26.36 | Eulex | Immortal-XAk-, you're five days too late |
| 21:26.40 | abrotman | Immortal-XAk-: we're past that |
| 21:26.45 | Immortal-XAk- | I know |
| 21:26.46 | Immortal-XAk- | :) |
| 21:26.46 | abrotman | now it's Happy 2006 key! |
| 21:27.04 | oneo | mrjive - im not doing a full upgrade, just a few packages at a time |
| 21:27.05 | Eulex | oneo, you could try apt-get -f install initscripts udev sysv-rc |
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| 21:27.26 | maxb | oneo: Trying to upgrading an old (pre-sarge) box direct to current etch? |
| 21:27.36 | websdale | Immortal-XAk-: & Happy New Year Public Key to you as well |
| 21:27.39 | Set | anyone know where I can buy wlan cables? |
| 21:27.51 | CptS | PLZ help needed, i need help with encoding of filenames after i mount a network windows xp share using smbfs (mount smbfs -o username=me,password=pass //compname/share /mnt/share), when i browse to the folder using smb:// i see the filenames right. |
| 21:27.54 | aaronlin | I went to /usr/share/blackbox/styles/Operation and edited rootCommand: bsetroot -gradient flatcrossdiagonalgradient -from rgb:4/6/8 -to rgb:3/48/6 |
| 21:27.54 | aaronlin | to rootCommand: bsetroot -full /home/aaronlin/Pictures/Desktop/circulartux.jpg |
| 21:27.58 | aaronlin | however, the background image still will not load |
| 21:28.01 | maxb | Set: Uhh, you're joking, right? |
| 21:28.23 | abrotman | aaronlin: did you reload the theme ? |
| 21:28.37 | abrotman | aaronlin: as a side note .. #blackbox also exists |
| 21:28.48 | aaronlin | oh, that's right, ok, I'll also join #blackbox |
| 21:29.01 | aaronlin | abrotman: I restarted X |
| 21:29.04 | Set | maxb, the people at Linksys tech support told me that I was probably best off if I bought a wlan cable to my wireless nic |
| 21:29.15 | aaronlin | I know that it responded, because instead of a blue background I now just have black with white dots :) |
| 21:29.20 | abrotman | aaronlin: sadly .. i used to know a lot about blackbox themes ... |
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| 21:29.26 | Eulex | jebstark, if you want to put the wireless nic on the linux machine into ad-hoc mode, you'd do: iwconfig device Mode Ad-Hoc (however, that relies on that the driver and nic supports it; not all do) -- and you also need to set the ip and essid manualy on the machine you put into ad-hoc mode. |
| 21:29.51 | oneo | eulex - thanks man, that worked...only dpkg wont install sysv-rc now cause of the same error i was getting before: "dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH."....but doesnt sysv-rc install update-rc.d? now im really clueless |
| 21:29.59 | maxb | Set: The point of a wireless lan is that it is wireless! |
| 21:30.02 | bpowell | Set: I have some for sale, they are $5.00 per wavelength ;) LOL |
| 21:30.10 | konfuzed | hey there, it seems that I have some drive errors but I cant quite figure out how to boot up the machine without mounting the drive so I can run proper fsck.ext3 to repair these things |
| 21:30.16 | jebstark | eulex: you're extremely helpful! thanks mate!! |
| 21:30.24 | Set | bpowell, do you accept paypal? |
| 21:30.31 | mrjive | lol |
| 21:30.34 | bpowell | lol |
| 21:30.38 | Eulex | jebstark, yw :) |
| 21:30.44 | Set | maxb, Linksys told me that wireless without cable "wasn't for everyone" |
| 21:31.11 | konfuzed | free block count is wrong and free inode count is wrong |
| 21:31.33 | aaronlin | abrotman: do you know what I might have done wrong? |
| 21:31.33 | konfuzed | how can I actually run the repair |
| 21:31.56 | aaronlin | bsetroot -full /home/aaronlin/Pictures/Desktop/circulartux.jpg |
| 21:31.57 | abrotman | aaronlin: it's been far too long since i used blackbox .. (and i used to write my own themes .. but never used a BG image) |
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| 21:32.00 | aaronlin | maybe that's not a good command |
| 21:32.17 | Eulex | oneo, umh, the sysv-rc package is one of the packages that seriously damages your system if you uninstall them -- when you uninstalled it, did it ask you to enter... *shudder*... the phrase of doom? |
| 21:32.22 | Lightnin | I have a 64bit chip. I was thinking about recompiling over to a 64bit kernel instead of the current 32bit kernel. My question though is how to deal with browser plugins that are 32bit only, example, quicktime. Or is there no reason to go to 64bit for a home comp |
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| 21:32.34 | mrjive | Set: do you need also a little of my new lyophilized water? in case you get thirsty installin wireless cables |
| 21:32.36 | aaronlin | abrotman: I see, thanks anyway |
| 21:32.45 | maxb | Set: There is no such thing as a WLAN cable. The very phrase is a paradox. |
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| 21:32.52 | aaronlin | Does anyone know if bsetroot can handle images (JPGs/PNGs)? |
| 21:32.55 | abrotman | aaronlin: did you check the website ? |
| 21:33.05 | Estes | I just getback on this discussion we had about kde and gnome like 20 minutes ago.... a very very good point of kde is thekate editor |
| 21:33.05 | aaronlin | yeah, but I'm having a hard time following |
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| 21:33.16 | Estes | kate is great to do programming |
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| 21:33.35 | bbrazil | aaronlin: I know I did it once, probably using xsetroot |
| 21:33.39 | Set | :( guess I have to use patch cables instead |
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| 21:34.06 | Eulex | oneo, in this case removing that package seems to have broken apt. you will need to either extract the contents of the sysv-rc package and manually put the files into your file system or transfer the required files from another computer running debian. |
| 21:34.33 | abrotman | aaronlin: let me browse quickly |
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| 21:35.30 | bpowell | maxb: he is not really being serious is he? |
| 21:35.36 | aaronlin | woohoo |
| 21:35.46 | aaronlin | Ok, I got it to run (temporarily) |
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| 21:36.07 | aaronlin | abrotman and bbrazil: I ran bsetbg -f /home/aaronlin/Pictures/Desktop/circulartux.jpg |
| 21:36.16 | nite613 | Trying to go sarge->etch, told that e2fsprogs is causing a conflicts/pre-depends loop and to activate APT::Force-LoopBreak |
| 21:36.21 | abrotman | aaronlin: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/BlackboxFAQ/VisualAppearance#WhatIsTheBestWayToSetTheBackgroundBsetbgInxinitrcShowsTheBackgroundBrieflyBlackboxOverridesIt |
| 21:36.23 | nite613 | anyone know how to do that? |
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| 21:36.28 | aaronlin | but I don't think this will be a permanent change. The next time I restart blackbox, I will probably end up with a black and white bg again. |
| 21:36.29 | dondelelcaro | nite613: actually upgrade to sarge first, then upgrade to eth. |
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| 21:37.01 | nite613 | dondelelcaro: seriously? this vmware image can't be THAT old! :P I'll have to check that |
| 21:37.09 | maxb | bpowell: Well, I hope not, but it doesn't seem funny enough to be a joke. |
| 21:37.19 | linckraker | is there a gui kernel config app? |
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| 21:37.53 | teclo | Hello, how can I easily see if a device is usb 1.0 or usb 2.0 ? |
| 21:38.21 | idis | hi, might be a faq, but what does openoffice.org-java bring as new functionnality? |
| 21:38.31 | Zenethian | teclo: lsusb -v |
| 21:38.50 | Zenethian | bsdUSB will either be 1.00, 1.10, or 2.0 |
| 21:38.56 | Zenethian | bcdUSB that is |
| 21:39.39 | teclo | Zenethian: indeed, lsusb -v | grep bcdUSB ... thanks a lot |
| 21:39.39 | aaronlin | abrotman: Answer 1 says to change the rootCommands. I think I did (in /usr/share/blackbox/styles) |
| 21:39.49 | Set | maxb, I never make jokes. |
| 21:39.58 | bornoffire | how do i close out X on dibian without ctrl alt backspace |
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| 21:41.09 | jebstark | what is the command to reconfigure the base network conf (that one used during the initial install)? I need to add my in-active WLAN-card..... |
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| 21:42.16 | bpowell | Set: if that is truly what linksys told you, there is no such thing, if that is the route you want to go get rid of all of the wireless stuff and put regular NIC's in and use cat 5 cables |
| 21:42.20 | dondelelcaro | jebstark: the easiest way is to $EDITOR /etc/network/interfaces; and man 5 interfaces. |
| 21:42.24 | Eulex | jebstark, man interfaces |
| 21:42.49 | Set | bpowell, can I use regular NIC's to the Linksys router? |
| 21:42.50 | bpowell | jebstark: base-config is that what you are looking for? |
| 21:42.59 | ralfWORK | Linksys told me you can't plug 2 routers into eachother |
| 21:43.24 | bpowell | Set: if it has a built in switch yes. |
| 21:43.41 | abrotman | aaronlin: you realize .. you should be doing that in your .blackboxrc .. right ? |
| 21:43.46 | dondelelcaro | ralfWORK: right, they're kind of clueless. |
| 21:43.49 | Set | it has 5 ports. one "WAN" port and 1,2,3,4 |
| 21:43.59 | ralfWORK | dondelelcaro: I spent an hour working up their tech support ladder |
| 21:44.04 | ralfWORK | I got the same answer each time |
| 21:44.09 | ralfWORK | eventually gave up |
| 21:44.16 | dondelelcaro | ralfWORK: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 21:44.16 | aaronlin | abrotman: ? If I edit the themes, shouldn't that be permanent also? |
| 21:44.17 | Set | ralfWORK. you should have called someone else, it seems |
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| 21:44.27 | abrotman | aaronlin: and systemwide .. |
| 21:44.29 | abrotman | !systemwide |
| 21:44.35 | abrotman | bah .. it's in there somewhere |
| 21:44.37 | aaronlin | abrotman: it's ok, I am the system. |
| 21:44.38 | bpowell | Set: yes you want to plug the cables from each NIC into the 1-4 ports |
| 21:44.46 | aaronlin | abrotman: :) |
| 21:45.02 | Set | ralfWORK, turn off dhcp server on one of them, change IP of the routers so they don't conflic, connect one cable from switch->switch on the routers. good to go, I guess |
| 21:45.24 | Set | bpowell, Linksys sure is confusing me. They told me I needed wlan cables to connect to their wireless router |
| 21:45.34 | Zenethian | wlan cables? |
| 21:45.36 | Zenethian | :o |
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| 21:45.41 | abrotman | aaronlin: hopefully you don't sign your mom on to see your uber-cool hot girl wallpaper :) |
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| 21:45.49 | Zenethian | Tell them that they need to send you a phoneless cord to talk on first. |
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| 21:46.03 | aaronlin | abrotman: No, I'm morally opposed to such types of wallpaper |
| 21:46.09 | aaronlin | all I have is round penguins hanging on my system |
| 21:46.09 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:46.21 | bpowell | Set: like I said if that it really true than you probably got a level 1 tech that cant read the cue cards or knowledge base correctly. |
| 21:46.33 | ralfWORK | dondelelcaro: that was 2 years ago, I worked it out |
| 21:46.39 | Set | I guess I'll buy something else than Linksys. |
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| 21:46.49 | Set | D-Link good? |
| 21:46.56 | Set | store had D-Link aswell |
| 21:46.59 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 21:47.02 | dondelelcaro | ralfWORK: ah... I have one of their "routers" in a similar configuration |
| 21:47.03 | aaronlin | abrotman: Is it possible to run multiple X's at the same time? |
| 21:47.12 | bpowell | Set: I use BuffaloTech but you probably wont find that in any retail channels |
| 21:47.16 | amorphix | what is dma/ata interface? is that different to an ordinary ide hdd interface? |
| 21:47.17 | dondelelcaro | (it's basically just a linux box with 5 network connections) |
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| 21:47.29 | dondelelcaro | +wireless... |
| 21:47.30 | Set | bpowell, is it good? where can I get it? |
| 21:47.45 | abrotman | aaronlin: yes |
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| 21:48.42 | maxb | mount -a is failing during bootup initscripts, but isn't telling me why - any ideas? |
| 21:48.43 | LostFrog | I just read a bash quote about wireless cables.. |
| 21:48.48 | bpowell | Set: Check out http://buffalotech.com thay have stores listed that sell their products online. Yes they are good, I use them for hotel installs all of the time |
| 21:49.07 | amorphix | ata == ide ? |
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| 21:49.21 | Set | bpowell, nice, MIMO |
| 21:49.25 | konfuzed | hey there, it seems that I have some drive errors but I cant quite figure out how to boot up the machine without mounting the drive so I can run proper fsck.ext3 to repair these things. how do I make that happen? |
| 21:49.35 | abrotman | !tell mrjive about away |
| 21:49.46 | mrjive | sorry |
| 21:49.49 | oneo | whats the easiest way to upgrade the kernel from 2.6.11 to 2.6.15 in debian? |
| 21:49.58 | abrotman | oneo: why would you want to? |
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| 21:50.05 | CptS | how do i mount a network folder on startup? |
| 21:50.17 | oneo | abrotman - udev is telling me it wont run without a 2.6.12 kernel |
| 21:50.30 | abrotman | oneo: right .. apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 21:51.00 | aaronlin | abrotman: .blackboxrc defines the files, like where session.styleFile is |
| 21:51.13 | aaronlin | I don't see how I would change the bg pictures from here |
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| 21:51.22 | abrotman | aaronlin: and you can define your own theme in there iirc |
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| 21:51.46 | aaronlin | abrotman: are you doing this from memory? |
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| 21:52.06 | bpowell | CptS: Samba or NFS |
| 21:52.07 | amorphix | hi |
| 21:52.13 | amorphix | ATA == IDE ? |
| 21:52.17 | sifi-x | A program is free software if users have all of these freedoms. Thus, you should be free to redistribute copies, either with or without modifications, either gratis or charging a fee for distribution, to anyone anywhere |
| 21:52.18 | CptS | bpowell: smaba. |
| 21:52.29 | stew | CptS: put it in /etc/fstab ; man 5 fstab |
| 21:52.31 | sifi-x | Is GPL allways gratis? |
| 21:52.33 | CptS | bpowell: i know the command line.. i just donno where to put |
| 21:52.37 | amorphix | can I fit an ATA hdd into a laptop that takes an ordinary IDE drive? |
| 21:52.39 | resiak | sifi-x: No. Read ti. |
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| 21:53.06 | CptS | stew: i put it there just like i write it on the console? |
| 21:53.07 | konfuzed | sifi-x all those software freedoms are dfined in the included EULA |
| 21:53.21 | stew | CptS: nope |
| 21:53.22 | sifi-x | konfuzed, EULA? |
| 21:53.27 | konfuzed | GPL prevents selling the cod under any paradigm |
| 21:53.37 | konfuzed | End User License Agrement |
| 21:53.39 | CptS | stew: 'k, i'll do some reading. thanks. |
| 21:53.50 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: uh, no, it doesn't. Try again. |
| 21:53.51 | resiak | konfuzed: No, it doesn't. |
| 21:54.03 | konfuzed | of which there are many variations such as General Public License and the BSD license |
| 21:54.04 | repp | konfuzed: it does not prevent sales. |
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| 21:54.10 | franz__ | Hi all does anybody know how to set the FETCHMAIL-DAEMON@hostname fetchmail uses to send bounces mail to another address@domain? |
| 21:54.10 | sifi-x | konfuzed, so a GPL:ed product can never take fees in any sorts? |
| 21:54.12 | eeyore- | heh, just got my raise this year :-) |
| 21:54.20 | resiak | konfuzed: The GPL and BSD licenses aren't EULAs. |
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| 21:54.34 | konfuzed | they are license agreements |
| 21:54.39 | sifi-x | resiak, what is EULAS? |
| 21:54.41 | bpowell | eeyore-: a 3ft step ladder :) LOL |
| 21:54.44 | resiak | 21:53 konfuzed : End User License Agrement |
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| 21:54.57 | zinx | GPL doesn't prevent selling |
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| 21:55.07 | sifi-x | resiak, so, can GPL take fees? |
| 21:55.18 | konfuzed | hhhhmmmm erfinement would suggest EULA for individual programs and general licenses for the whole package then |
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| 21:55.22 | resiak | konfuzed: but EULA implies a set of conditions that you must abide by to use the software. That does not describe the GPL, for instance. |
| 21:55.35 | abrotman | aaronlin: i have a messed up memory .. weird things stick .. like pasta |
| 21:55.36 | konfuzed | yes it does |
| 21:55.44 | zinx | GPL's a copyright |
| 21:55.48 | zinx | it covers distribution |
| 21:55.53 | zinx | not use |
| 21:55.56 | konfuzed | just because the GPL has wide provisions does not mean you are not bound by them |
| 21:55.57 | resiak | No, the GPL is _not_ a copyright |
| 21:56.05 | zinx | resiak: yes, it is |
| 21:56.08 | aaronlin | abrotman: Ok, I fixed it, horrah! |
| 21:56.11 | aaronlin | hoorah! |
| 21:56.13 | abrotman | aaronlin: how so? |
| 21:56.14 | resiak | zinx: It's a copyright _license_ |
| 21:56.21 | zinx | resiak: pfft, semantics |
| 21:56.32 | repp | konfuzed: The GPL only ensures that distributed binaries have publicly available source code. And that source code cannot be changed and made private. It says nothing about collecting or not collectings fees for the product or associated services. |
| 21:56.38 | Azar | hello honorables: news/rumors/gossip: Debian developers trim platform support |
| 21:56.38 | Azar | http://www.zdnetindia.com/news/business/stories/132321.html |
| 21:56.38 | resiak | konfuzed: No, it does not. You do -not- need to agree to the GPL to _use_ GPLed software. |
| 21:57.03 | Azar | I wish the etch developers make an etch installer that looks like the "classic" one |
| 21:57.05 | aaronlin | abrotman: Ok, I realized what the problem was |
| 21:57.12 | aaronlin | hold on... |
| 21:57.29 | repp | konfuzed: GPL works because of the legal framework for *copying* source code; not for using. |
| 21:57.30 | LostFrog | Azar: with two dials and a grey screen? |
| 21:57.34 | sifi-x | resiak, what should I read to under stand free software else then info from gnu.org? |
| 21:57.45 | konfuzed | yes I recall now (Zellman or something) that you can do what you want with what you write on top of GPL |
| 21:57.56 | aaronlin | rootCommand: bsetroot -full /home/aaronlin/Pictures/Desktop/circulartux.jpg It should have been bsetbg |
| 21:58.03 | resiak | sifi-x: http://www.opensource.org/ couldn't help. |
| 21:58.03 | Azar | LostFrog, with the partitioning screens on the "classic' installer, because I am not able to partition with the Sarge Installer |
| 21:58.04 | drivamgr2006 | Hi all. With regards to what amorphix was discussing earlier I have this photo of the wierd EDO he has, and I have to say I am fucking stumped. This memory thing is the size of an internal PCI TV Card and only holds 48mb...never seen it, cant find it on the net...in short, afl. Absolutely firking lost! |
| 21:58.16 | aaronlin | what I did was I looked at a pre-existing theme and edited it from there...I thought the commands would be the same, but I guess not |
| 21:58.17 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: got a picture ? |
| 21:58.22 | konfuzed | but if the source must be returned free to the GPL collection then you can only sell services around it and not actually sell the code it self |
| 21:58.25 | abrotman | aaronlin: cheater! |
| 21:58.25 | dondelelcaro | drivamgr2006: is it a memory riser or something? |
| 21:58.30 | LostFrog | Azar: it was an 'etch' joke. |
| 21:58.32 | aaronlin | and I did edit from /usr/share/blackbox/styles |
| 21:58.35 | konfuzed | perhaps you can sell cusotmized binaries |
| 21:58.37 | aaronlin | cheater?! |
| 21:58.42 | drivamgr2006 | yes abrotman. You want a copy by DCC or email? |
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| 21:58.46 | aaronlin | was that the system-wide nonsense you warned me about? |
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| 21:58.50 | konfuzed | but not the GPL source code |
| 21:58.50 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: online ? :) |
| 21:58.53 | Azar | lol I took an online survey for linux beginners and they rewarded me with "your distro should be Mepis" |
| 21:58.55 | drivamgr2006 | no dondelelcaro it is memory |
| 21:58.59 | drivamgr2006 | and yes abrotman |
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| 21:59.11 | Azar | LostFrog, ah :) |
| 21:59.12 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: like flika or some picutre sharing thingie |
| 21:59.21 | resiak | konfuzed: You need to go read the GPL, sir. |
| 21:59.22 | LostFrog | Azar: URL? |
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| 21:59.26 | repp | konfuzed: you can sell customized binaries, as long as the customized source code is public |
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| 21:59.30 | drivamgr2006 | cant do that, dunno how. I can send by DCC if you want |
| 21:59.42 | Azar | I am serious I wish to ask developers to maybe use two options of installers, I like the Woody installer better |
| 21:59.55 | Azar | LostFrog, holdon |
| 22:00.02 | abrotman | amorphix: do you have a URL for the picture ? |
| 22:00.03 | konfuzed | resiak: I agree, I need a refresher |
| 22:00.12 | aaronlin | abrotman: was it that system wide nonsense you warned me about :)? |
| 22:00.17 | abrotman | !system wide |
| 22:00.17 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
| 22:00.19 | resiak | repp: Wrong. You can sell customised binaries, provided you offer the source code of _those_ binaries to the people you distribute the binaries to under the terms of the GPL |
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| 22:00.37 | dondelelcaro | Azar: why are you unable to partition using the sarge or etch installer? |
| 22:00.39 | aaronlin | bah |
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| 22:00.53 | drivamgr2006 | will see what I can do re flika abrotman. pls wait a moment... |
| 22:00.57 | repp | resiak: interesting distinction. I'm going to go refresh myself right now. |
| 22:00.57 | konfuzed | its been my understanding that a significant point of difference between GPL and FreeBSD licenses is that with FreeBSD you can close source your modifications and with GPL you cant |
| 22:00.59 | aaronlin | it's ok, my system is a big mess as it is anyway |
| 22:01.08 | aaronlin | all sorts of stuff filed in the wrong place |
| 22:01.12 | resiak | repp: Me too, later. :) |
| 22:01.15 | konfuzed | uh I meant to say BSD licenses in general |
| 22:01.16 | aaronlin | because I don't know what exactly the file directories are for |
| 22:01.20 | aaronlin | so I just throw things anywhere... |
| 22:01.33 | Azar | LostFrog, from here, fhttp://news.com.com/Linux+newbies+get+a+helping+hand/2100-7344_3-6019925.html?part=rss&tag=6019925&subj=news to the link on the bottom of the article >> here http://dw.com.com/redir?destUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zegeniestudios.net%2Fldc%2F&siteId=3&oId=2100-7344-6019925&ontId=1001&lop=nl.ex |
| 22:01.51 | repp | konfuzed: yeah, basically. |
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| 22:03.02 | Azar | dondelecaro, I have tried from the official Sarge Installer CD, and when I got to the partition screens, I really got lost, I do not know how to navigate it, pick the first partition, assign swap, assign type, assign size... Woody is more easy to figure out and work with |
| 22:03.44 | dondelelcaro | Azar: really? It's exceedingly simple... if it's a problem, you can always drop to a console and use fdisk or have the system partition itself automatically... |
| 22:03.57 | Azar | I mean you use the Tab key arrow keys, and stuff, on Sarge Installer I do not know how to do that |
| 22:03.57 | konfuzed | uhm any advice on booting up this one drive ssytem without mounting / so that I can run fsck.ext3 repair |
| 22:04.01 | LostFrog | lol. it cheats.. it asks me what packaging system I prefer. |
| 22:04.18 | bpowell | Azar: Are you using expert mode? |
| 22:04.20 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: got it yet? |
| 22:04.24 | dondelelcaro | Azar: uh... you use the arrow keys and enter in sarge as well. |
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| 22:04.42 | Azar | bpowell, I tried to work it as I would with a Woody installer, I had no idea about automated partitions |
| 22:04.50 | drivamgr2006 | nope abrotman - cant work out what the hell to do. Do you tke DCC? It would be quicker from my point of view |
| 22:05.04 | LostFrog | Suprise.. it told me #debian |
| 22:05.07 | LostFrog | I mean Debian. |
| 22:05.15 | LostFrog | Didn't mean to advertise. |
| 22:05.34 | bpowell | Azar: oh ok, use the automated partitions and then modify them if you need to, much easier unless you are comfortable with expert mode |
| 22:05.35 | Azar | dondelacaro, maybe the next installer for etch will be much easier, or at least a /help screen for newbies will guide through the used navigational keys |
| 22:05.43 | drivamgr2006 | you werent advertising, you are in #debian! |
| 22:06.07 | LostFrog | That is true, drivamgr2006. |
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| 22:06.12 | LostFrog | I thought I was #linux. |
| 22:06.17 | LostFrog | in, even. |
| 22:06.19 | drivamgr2006 | np |
| 22:06.24 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: you can try |
| 22:06.32 | drivamgr2006 | ok abrotman. one sec. |
| 22:06.52 | beardy | What you are talking about I don't get though.. |
| 22:07.08 | dondelelcaro | Azar: eh? the navigational keys literally are just the arrow keys and enter. It's near as trivial as it can possibly be. |
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| 22:07.12 | Azar | so I keep my hopes up, for the Dec 2006 release |
| 22:07.15 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: can we patch pastebot to handle images ? |
| 22:07.16 | james__ | hi. |
| 22:07.18 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: won't take it |
| 22:07.23 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: yay for firewalls :) |
| 22:07.24 | drivamgr2006 | oh poop. |
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| 22:07.47 | drivamgr2006 | will post it up on the net somewhere then |
| 22:07.48 | zinx | abrotman: mimencode :) |
| 22:07.53 | james__ | how does one retrieve the kernel sources of his 2.6.12-1-686 kernel? |
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| 22:08.11 | abrotman | james__: linux-source-2.6.12-1.686 ? |
| 22:08.14 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: someone can, I just haven't had time to |
| 22:08.15 | abrotman | err .. i mistyped it |
| 22:08.18 | zinx | james__: apt-get source is always a good thing to try |
| 22:08.24 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it is something that's in the todo list |
| 22:08.25 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: has to be in perl i suppose ? |
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| 22:08.37 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes.... there's a project on sourceforge for it |
| 22:08.42 | abrotman | oh .. url ? |
| 22:08.44 | Azar | I really wonder are there people still using ARM, Motorola 68k, IBM S/390 and Sun SPARC architectures ? |
| 22:08.50 | dondelelcaro | pastebot.sf.net iirc |
| 22:09.00 | dondelelcaro | Azar: yes. |
| 22:09.09 | Azar | wow |
| 22:09.10 | zinx | Azar: ARM/68k are pretty popular |
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| 22:09.23 | dondelelcaro | S/390 is pretty much what the big IBM machines run |
| 22:09.27 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: best project ever :) |
| 22:09.36 | Azar | that means mostly businesses I guess |
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| 22:09.45 | LostFrog | Sparcs are cool. |
| 22:09.55 | LostFrog | If I could afford them, I'd buy a few. |
| 22:10.08 | Herah | i have a problem.. |
| 22:10.12 | dondelelcaro | LostFrog: some are very cheap, actually... |
| 22:10.15 | Herah | any want to help |
| 22:10.31 | Azar | I guess it was only Debian left to support most of these architectures.. ah well and Unix maybe |
| 22:10.52 | Chrimo | Linux m49svr4169m1 2.6.12-1-sparc64 #1 Tue Sep 27 23:45:57 UTC 2005 sparc64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:11.03 | Chrimo | 8-) |
| 22:11.12 | beardy | Azar: Amigas and older (ancient?) Macs is m68k. |
| 22:11.30 | Set | debian or ubuntu as a server distro? |
| 22:11.32 | Chrimo | Now PPC |
| 22:11.33 | Azar | Woody may be in its way out, but for me it was the best of the best, the most forgiving version of Debian (forgiving with hardware and newbies) |
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| 22:11.41 | drivamgr2006 | abrotman: Go here - this is the url for amorphix' picture : http://www.geocities.com/uk-smfc/toshiba_ram.jpg |
| 22:11.51 | james__ | what's the difference between kernel-source and linux-source ? |
| 22:11.56 | Azar | beardy commodore is making a big comeback with portable consoles |
| 22:11.58 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: afaict .. laptop EDO |
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| 22:12.11 | beardy | Azar: james__ The name of the package. |
| 22:12.17 | beardy | -Azar |
| 22:12.18 | james__ | amazing |
| 22:12.23 | Azar | :) |
| 22:12.23 | james__ | thanks |
| 22:12.24 | drivamgr2006 | abrotman: I can tell ya, nothing like I have ever seen! |
| 22:12.27 | lekvar | How do I stop my system from trying to set up sound while it's booting? There's no obvious sound script in /etc/init.d... |
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| 22:12.52 | Maulkin | /etc/init.d/alsa ? |
| 22:12.54 | beardy | Azar: Really? |
| 22:12.58 | Azar | lekvar remove sound modules from /etc/modules |
| 22:13.07 | marga | I've just upgraded openoffice.org (and many others) to etch's version, and it's now segfaulting on startup. Any idea of what might be going on? |
| 22:13.12 | Azar | beardy yes holdon I have the link |
| 22:13.17 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: http://www.memory.com/item.asp?item=ED003 |
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| 22:13.31 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: feel better? |
| 22:13.33 | beardy | Azar: Yes, woody did a good work. |
| 22:13.34 | lekvar | Azar: none in there. /etc/modules only contains ibm-acpi, ide-cd, ide-detect, ide-disk, and psmouse |
| 22:13.35 | Azar | beardy: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28762 |
| 22:13.42 | beardy | Azar: thanks |
| 22:14.04 | drivamgr2006 | yup, thanks abrotman. i just hope amorphix can get some now we know wth it is! |
| 22:14.05 | james__ | if I type "apt-get install linux-sources-2.6.12", will it get me a vanilla kernel or are there some debian specific optimizations in it? |
| 22:14.16 | Azar | lekvar then on init.d |
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| 22:14.36 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: well .. the link i just gave you .. seems to sell it |
| 22:14.38 | SilverspurG | is anyone else having GPG error problems with unstable package lists? |
| 22:14.38 | bibe | james__ : that's a debian-patched kernel |
| 22:14.47 | LostFrog | I could really use a sparc 5 as a workstation. |
| 22:14.48 | bibe | SilverspurG : read the /topic |
| 22:14.59 | beardy | Azar: "based on a Windows CE platform" yuck.. what a discrace to the prud name Commodore.. |
| 22:15.00 | drivamgr2006 | cool abrotman - i will let amorphix know when i see him/her again |
| 22:15.05 | beardy | proud |
| 22:15.08 | abrotman | drivamgr2006: he's online now |
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| 22:15.09 | drivamgr2006 | thanks a lot |
| 22:15.11 | james__ | do I need a patch to use custom DSTD |
| 22:15.13 | james__ | err |
| 22:15.20 | SilverspurG | bibe: yes. I'll read them. |
| 22:15.22 | abrotman | amorphix: it's 144pin SO-DIMM .. EDO Laptop ram |
| 22:15.25 | james__ | do I need a patch to use custom DSDT tables with the debian kernel? |
| 22:15.25 | Azar | beardy, sadly indeed everyone nowadays gets perverted to the mighty $ |
| 22:15.28 | abrotman | amorphix: http://www.memory.com/item.asp?item=ED003 |
| 22:15.43 | abrotman | amorphix: afaict anyways .. sorry if i'm wrong |
| 22:15.47 | lekvar | Azar: egrep -is sound\|snd\|audio\|alsa /etc/init.d/* --> nada |
| 22:15.50 | bibe | SilverspurG : basically, 2006 packages are signed with a new key |
| 22:15.59 | Set | Azar, you will have to pay a fee to use my copyrighted symbol. |
| 22:16.17 | Azar | lekvar do you look when you bootup to see exactly which modules get loaded? |
| 22:16.19 | beardy | Azar: I think they would get much more attention to it if they were doing something interesting instead, plus that name on it. |
| 22:16.33 | SilverspurG | bibe: is that in man apt-cache to learn how to fix this? I assume I need to clear the old key...? |
| 22:16.42 | Azar | beardy, if you noticed commodore was bought up, maybe by a punk |
| 22:17.13 | beardy | Azar: Probably. |
| 22:17.36 | bibe | SilverspurG : don't clear the old key, since "old" packages are still signed with 2005 key. Simply add the new key |
| 22:17.46 | Azar | beardy, quote: "The Commodaor name has been used and abused like a rented mule, but its latest owner hopes to change that. " |
| 22:17.56 | LostFrog | Dang.. older SGIs are cheap too. |
| 22:18.17 | beardy | Azar: Well, I guess it failed. |
| 22:18.22 | bibe | SilverspurG : /msg dpkg 2006 key shows how to add the 2006 key to your keyring |
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| 22:18.56 | SilverspurG | bibe: thank you for your assistance. *bow* |
| 22:19.15 | beardy | Azar: Unless it's possible to use the hardware and run something else. |
| 22:19.16 | bibe | SilverspurG : no problem |
| 22:19.28 | Azar | nowadays there is no box ment to do one thing and do it well, now they build boxes that do gaming, telephony, email, messengers, calculators, clocks, cameras , you need them all or not |
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| 22:19.51 | abrotman | Azar: my calculator only does one thing well |
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| 22:20.02 | Azar | :) |
| 22:20.06 | Gathond | Azar: and they generally dont do any of it particularly well |
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| 22:20.20 | beardy | True. |
| 22:20.20 | Azar | Gathond, right |
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| 22:20.52 | Azar | the same bulying a customer: "we know what you need " |
| 22:21.46 | Azar | o/t but hey, .NET just adopted Python the Vole's hands became tentacles |
| 22:21.48 | LostFrog | I sooo want an SGI now |
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| 22:23.23 | Azar | they got the money, the tools and the congressional blessings, they build whatever they want and force it on the market |
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| 22:24.37 | abrotman | LostFrog: why? |
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| 22:25.12 | lekvar | Azar: yea i'm reading dmesg. the sound chips in this model laptop are not correctly detected, let alone correctly assigned. I'm trying to sort out some other more important problems so I wanted to just disable that annoyance. |
| 22:25.16 | abrotman | LostFrog: i had an Indigo2 for a while .. lots of fun .. IRIX is a nice desktop Unix .. but iirc(and i could be wrong) .. X doesn't work on SGIs |
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| 22:25.55 | LostFrog | I would run Irix on it anyways, abrotman. |
| 22:25.55 | XTL | I still have an R10k I^2 |
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| 22:26.18 | abrotman | LostFrog: i got mine .. for like $400 .. and this was a few years ago .. though newer releases of IRIX don't support the model i had |
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| 22:26.45 | LostFrog | I worked with a quad CPU origin. |
| 22:27.02 | oneo | hey all - i bought one of those usb ninteno controllers from retrozone and it said that it should use standard HID drivers...when i plug in the controller to the usb port, lsusb shows it fine: "Bus 002 Device 005: ID f000:0040" but its not assigning it to a /dev/ device...anyone good with USB stuff? when i plug the controller in, i get this in dmesg: "usb 2-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6...usbhid: probe of 2-2:1.0 failed |
| 22:27.05 | abrotman | mine was just a purple indigo2 |
| 22:27.09 | XTL | Also had a 2xR10k Octane. Sold it. |
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| 22:27.15 | LostFrog | Or was it a challenge.. |
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| 22:27.23 | abrotman | XTL: that's what i had .. the R10k I2 |
| 22:27.24 | oneo | and i just upgraded to kernel 2.6.12 just so i could get udev to work and im getting the exact same error i got before |
| 22:27.35 | Gashad | I am trying to install Mayavi (a sourceforge project). Mayavi isn't in apt, so I downloaded "Mayavi_1.5_all.deb". How do I extract this package & install mayavi??? |
| 22:27.40 | abrotman | XTL: nice machines .. |
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| 22:29.14 | Azar | if the gcc2.2.5 gets dropped I hope that etch will now come with a base kernel of 2.6.x(8 maybe) and alsa will be the default sound module.. I hope ? |
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| 22:29.55 | saintshakajin | etch comes with 2.6.12 :) |
| 22:30.00 | saintshakajin | for the moment |
| 22:30.07 | LostFrog | Yeah. I had a I2 on my desk for a long time. |
| 22:30.12 | bibe | I use sarge on my laptop using recent kernel(s) (now, 2.6.15). Is switching to udev just a matter of 'apt-get remove hotplug; apt-get install udev; reboot'? |
| 22:30.15 | Azar | saintshakajin, for the moment etch is a testing version |
| 22:30.18 | saintshakajin | if you want a 2.4, with installer from etch, you must type linux24 |
| 22:30.29 | saintshakajin | Azar: i know but installer exists :) |
| 22:30.37 | Azar | ah, nice |
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| 22:30.56 | saintshakajin | bibe: yes |
| 22:31.01 | Azar | if it comes with alsa will cut a lot of crap work on configuring it |
| 22:31.30 | bibe | saintshakajin : thanks. Is it stable (at least sarge's version)? |
| 22:31.34 | saintshakajin | you can download the net install iso from testing to try it if you want |
| 22:31.39 | Azar | I allways configured alsa by several trials |
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| 22:31.53 | saintshakajin | bibe: don't know, im' in unstable :) |
| 22:31.59 | Azar | saintshakajin, if I had time , only if I had the time |
| 22:32.09 | Gashad | After downloading a debian package (that's not avail in apt-get) stored as *.deb, how do I exctract & install the said package??? |
| 22:32.22 | saintshakajin | Azar: lol, it's just a question of time ;) |
| 22:32.26 | bibe | saintshakajin : thanks anyway |
| 22:32.29 | Azar | Gashad, with dpkg -i package |
| 22:32.30 | XTL | Gashad: dpkg -i installs. You might want to see the manpage |
| 22:32.36 | Fluten | how can i run something with a nice lower than 0 as a normal user? |
| 22:32.44 | Gashad | Got it, thanks! |
| 22:32.57 | Gathond | Fluten: get root to start it for you :) |
| 22:33.28 | Fluten | how do i have root start it for me without running it as root? |
| 22:33.48 | Azar | Fluten type su then password for root |
| 22:33.53 | Gathond | Fluten: use su, or just get root to renice the process later |
| 22:34.06 | bibe | Fluten : call root on the phone (it was a joke, I guess) ;) |
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| 22:34.10 | valdyn | bibe: just 'apt-get install udev', nothing else |
| 22:34.11 | mikael | hello |
| 22:34.26 | Fluten | ill just run it as the user then ssh and renice it |
| 22:34.30 | Fluten | since its a fullscreen game |
| 22:34.31 | bibe | valdyn : will it uninstall hotplug |
| 22:34.48 | valdyn | bibe: only if it conflicts with it |
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| 22:34.56 | raf256 | grsecurity guys mentioned that debian is useless |
| 22:35.05 | raf256 | in terms of security, because some problems |
| 22:35.06 | Zenethian | great for them |
| 22:35.06 | mikael | exit |
| 22:35.08 | valdyn | bibe: .. and that depends on which debian release you are using |
| 22:35.12 | raf256 | with GNU_STACK and libc, is that true? |
| 22:35.16 | Azar | raf256, yes it is useless for people who do not want it |
| 22:35.20 | bibe | valdyn : I use a plain sarge |
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| 22:35.30 | GyrosGeier | GNU_STACK mostly sucks |
| 22:35.36 | valdyn | bibe: in plain sarge udev depends on hotplug iirc |
| 22:35.39 | raf256 | what is this GNU_STACK about anyway |
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| 22:35.56 | orzel | hello. the packages courier-imap-ssl and pop-ssl generates certificates when installed. which is great. But the certificates are bad (no computer name, fake email.. and such). even if i reinstall .. how am i suppose to handle this ? is there a place i should put those information ? |
| 22:36.00 | bibe | valdyn : thanks. I hope not to break anything ;) |
| 22:36.02 | raf256 | I cant seem to find nice description about it on google, tons of references to it |
| 22:36.29 | Azar | raf256, in terms of security, newbies on Debian are useless |
| 22:36.40 | valdyn | bibe: doubt it would break anything |
| 22:36.40 | Azar | err no, Debian on newbies is useless |
| 22:36.56 | bibe | valdyn : thanks |
| 22:37.10 | bibe | orzel : courier-imap-ssl installs courier-imap-ssl |
| 22:37.11 | xiaogil | Does someone know how to make a WinTV PV2 USB2 working on Linux ? |
| 22:37.24 | valdyn | bibe: udev itself does break a few things though, like the mechanism that loads modules when the device file is accessed |
| 22:37.26 | abrotman | bibe: what kind of answer was that ? |
| 22:37.27 | bibe | orzel : courier-imap-ssl installs /usr/sbin/mkimapdcert (sorry for the previous message) |
| 22:37.51 | abrotman | bibe: i should have given you the captain obvious award :) |
| 22:38.09 | bibe | abrotman : ;) |
| 22:38.22 | Azar | after four years of barking in the wind, and being called paranoid, my way prevailed: never using root/admin accounts, trimming down useless services, filtering the box access.... thats all it comes at in a final line |
| 22:38.45 | raf256 | Azar: I wonder do I need to move to gentoo yet to use PAX |
| 22:38.47 | abrotman | Azar: you got cracked ? |
| 22:38.59 | Azar | :) abrotman, not yet |
| 22:39.15 | Azar | raf256, it is a good experience to sweat on gentoo then come to appreciate Debian, try it |
| 22:39.28 | valdyn | paraoia is ok, paranoia on someone who doesnt know what he's doing is ugly |
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| 22:40.00 | raf256 | Azar: I will instal gentoo on one of boxes to compare. debian is nice but well if PAX _author_ tells me debian is broken I suppose _he_ knows the problem. I wonder will it be fixed |
| 22:40.04 | Azar | valdyn, I guess over 55 Debian installs would be ok for me, thats all I ment |
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| 22:40.30 | fbi | abrotman: you got that mITX url from the other day handy? i cleared my history and i wanted to look at some things on that page |
| 22:40.40 | abrotman | fbi: logicsupply.com |
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| 22:40.44 | fbi | cheers. |
| 22:40.50 | abrotman | fbi: though .. if you find any others .. i'd be interested |
| 22:40.56 | fbi | i'll let you know for sure |
| 22:40.57 | Azar | raf256, many people judge Debian on their old experiences, Debian Sarge is now a breeze to install and use. |
| 22:40.59 | abrotman | fbi: any other URLs i mean :) |
| 22:41.18 | abrotman | raf256: or he's a tard .. we've seen a lot of those :) |
| 22:41.32 | abrotman | raf256: can he explain *why* debian is broken ? |
| 22:41.39 | Azar | Debian "used to be hard on newbies" : not anymore |
| 22:41.57 | abrotman | now it's just #debian that's hard on newbies |
| 22:42.25 | Azar | gentoo is a rebel distro, Debian has rules to be followed: you do not follow "the debian way installations" >> goes broken |
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| 22:42.47 | valdyn | gentoo isnt any different there |
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| 22:43.08 | lekvar | Debian should, however, detect the thinkpad 600e and refuse to install itself, with advice to sell the machine and select a different model. |
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| 22:43.29 | Azar | I wrote a short intro to Debian based on my way of installing : http://www.lameindustries.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=162 |
| 22:43.33 | bleck | in vim, how do you remove all spaces from a file? eg: :s/ //g doesn't seem to work properly. |
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| 22:43.41 | DDT | hi |
| 22:43.49 | DDT | I have a big surprise for you |
| 22:43.50 | Phated | bleck: :%s/ //g |
| 22:43.56 | fbi | bleck: the g only replaces on the line, you need a % |
| 22:43.57 | Azar | bleck run vimtutor and learn all you want about it: is a fun interactive tutorial |
| 22:44.07 | bleck | aah % thanks |
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| 22:44.25 | DDT | do you know ethical software?? |
| 22:44.39 | valdyn | DDT: no |
| 22:44.41 | DDT | do you know the ONAGER?? |
| 22:44.42 | raf256 | abrotman: yes, but Im not security expert to understand that ;) |
| 22:44.55 | raf256 | abrotman: apparently google return this discussion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/11/msg00076.html |
| 22:44.57 | DDT | ONAGER's Not A Gnu Enjoyable Replicant |
| 22:45.10 | dondelelcaro | DDT: lose the excess punctuation, and stop advertising. |
| 22:45.29 | Azar | raf256, what makes you think that you will be able to configure iptables in gentoo and not in Debian? is the same thing.. |
| 22:45.40 | orzel | bibe: indeed, thx!! |
| 22:45.53 | DDT | www.ethicalsoftware.org |
| 22:45.59 | raf256 | Azar: iptables? I was talking about PAX |
| 22:46.09 | DDT | crazt boys |
| 22:46.15 | DDT | crazy boys |
| 22:46.24 | Azar | raf256, if you think you can manage PAX or whatever you want better in gentoo go to gentoo |
| 22:46.26 | GyrosGeier | DDT, http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19971123 |
| 22:46.27 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 22:46.27 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@host85-202.pool871.interbusiness.it] by dondelelcaro |
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| 22:46.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:46.55 | raf256 | wtf was that |
| 22:46.58 | Azar | I am a newbie, I have no idea what PAX is and my Debian systems work ok, there is nothing "broken" |
| 22:47.19 | valdyn | !pax |
| 22:47.19 | dpkg | pax is probably http://pageexec.virtualave.net/ Portable Archive Interchange (apt-get install pax) |
| 22:47.28 | valdyn | uh, thats not it |
| 22:47.35 | Azar | :D |
| 22:47.43 | loxley_ | raf256: why not just patch the kernel on debian and test |
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| 22:48.01 | raf256 | loxley_: I did, Im running grsecurity kernel right now |
| 22:48.47 | abrotman | raf256: i woulnd't use PAX .. that guys an assholew |
| 22:48.48 | Azar | what is a grsecurity kernel? |
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| 22:48.56 | abrotman | !grsecurity |
| 22:48.56 | dpkg | methinks grsecurity is http://www.grsecurity.net/features.php http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1551 |
| 22:49.00 | raf256 | abrotman: why? |
| 22:49.13 | Azar | because Debian issues its own security things |
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| 22:49.19 | abrotman | raf256: he's full of himself .. |
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| 22:49.29 | abrotman | raf256: i wouldn't even buy him a beer |
| 22:49.32 | Azar | thats how gentoobies confuse newbies |
| 22:49.41 | abrotman | and i mean .. hell .. i'd even buy dondelelcaro a beer :) |
| 22:49.53 | dondelelcaro | Azar: can you please drop the gentoo comparison already? It's completely off topic here. |
| 22:49.57 | abrotman | ok .. maybe three for dondelelcaro :) |
| 22:49.58 | Phated | Everyone loves dondelelcaro! |
| 22:49.59 | Azar | Id by more than a six pack for all helpers here |
| 22:49.59 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 22:50.04 | raf256 | Azar: debian do not have built in capabilites of randomization, fixed jails, RBAC, executable pages protection and layout randomization, have it? |
| 22:50.10 | abrotman | Phated: love dondelelcaro |
| 22:50.21 | Azar | omg I never head of that stuff raf256 |
| 22:50.26 | dondelelcaro | just so long as no one makes a cartoon about me, it's ok. |
| 22:50.33 | loxley_ | raf256: so just use the medium level of grsec... |
| 22:50.39 | Azar | I run Debian, and it is secure I do not need randomization and fixed jails for it |
| 22:50.41 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: how about a movie poster? (/me nudges sussudio) |
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| 22:51.27 | raf256 | Azar: if you run a trojan, or exploitable program, on your account, can it steal your .gpg passwords? |
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| 22:51.43 | Azar | raf256, I do not intend to run a trojan |
| 22:51.47 | abrotman | raf256: and that guy basically .. threw in an inflamatory post .. and ran away |
| 22:51.50 | raf256 | Azar: exploits then |
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| 22:52.11 | Azar | raf256, sorry not even that |
| 22:52.14 | raf256 | abrotman: well that are personall issues, let behave as professionals |
| 22:52.17 | valdyn | raf256: if you run a trojan on your account it can do anything you can do |
| 22:52.20 | abrotman | raf256: why .. he didn't |
| 22:52.28 | tarzeau | takatumi: i'm like, eh, having fun, and going for a uhm.. trip |
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| 22:52.45 | abrotman | raf256: i'll read the whole thread tomorrow |
| 22:52.46 | raf256 | valdyn: Azar: I can run a program that reads /home/rafal/.gnupg/ (or deletes it) |
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| 22:52.51 | raf256 | I can even run this program as root |
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| 22:53.03 | raf256 | and still it will not be able to steal my gpg keys |
| 22:53.05 | raf256 | in example |
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| 22:53.17 | Jacky^ | hi |
| 22:53.22 | Set | gentoo sucks!!! debian owns gentoo's soul. |
| 22:53.28 | Set | no-one cares about gentoo |
| 22:53.33 | valdyn | raf256: again: a trojan can do _Anything_ you can do |
| 22:53.34 | Set | go compile your soul. get lost. |
| 22:53.36 | Jacky^ | is there some app to find the correct keyboard layout ? |
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| 22:53.59 | raf256 | valdyn: no |
| 22:54.01 | raf256 | valdyn: wanna bet? |
| 22:54.02 | streuner | Jacky^: just play and try |
| 22:54.05 | Azar | raf256, I use basic simple precautions: never run root but only in extreme cases, and for short time, never bloat my system with huge complicated applications, generally speaking I mind my business and keep it simple |
| 22:54.05 | pppp | holy shit |
| 22:54.23 | valdyn | raf256: no, i'd win anyway, this is obvious |
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| 22:54.43 | streuner | Jacky^: describe your keyboard, maybe someone can help you then |
| 22:54.47 | pppp | is this the channel for debian, the most secure linux distribution ever |
| 22:55.02 | raf256 | valdyn: ok, so you say if I run as raf256 a program that deletes ~/.gnupg and ~/.gnupg is chmod/chown so that raf256 can access it, it will succeed in destroying my keys? |
| 22:55.15 | Silent_al | pppp , yes |
| 22:55.24 | dondelelcaro | pppp: I don't think it's the most secure distribution ever; SLE probably is nowadays, cause it doesn't even run. |
| 22:55.25 | Jacky^ | streuner: its a laptop 10", F1-F9 are working F10-F12 not |
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| 22:55.41 | streuner | Jacky^: what model do you have? |
| 22:55.57 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Heh. |
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| 22:56.03 | Jacky^ | streuner: Olidata, I can show it .. a moment |
| 22:56.15 | raf256 | valdyn: ? |
| 22:56.21 | pppp | hmm. |
| 22:56.21 | valdyn | raf256: 'access' means what? read? write? if it means write then the user raf256 can delete it, therefore a trojan running with the UID of raf256 can delete it |
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| 22:56.33 | pppp | what is the difference between debian and slackware |
| 22:56.53 | valdyn | pppp: debian has package management, slackware does not |
| 22:57.01 | pppp | and thats where it ends? |
| 22:57.02 | dondelelcaro | pppp: there's a huge difference; I suggest starting with /msg dpkg why debian; and then asking specific questions about things that you're concerned about |
| 22:57.08 | raf256 | valdyn: ok, can we bet on that? if you win I can send you a beer or some gift up to 15 bucks from thinkg geek. if it will not work then you send it to me :) |
| 22:57.37 | raf256 | valdyn: 1. you can send me a shell script, or C/C++ code, I will run it as user raf256 |
| 22:57.50 | pppp | is debian "linux" or "gnu/linux"? |
| 22:57.52 | Jacky^ | streuner: http://www.frappr.com/roboitalia/photo/842065 look at the left |
| 22:57.57 | dondelelcaro | raf256: by definition, if you can do it as your user, the trojan can do it as your user. |
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| 22:58.14 | Jacky^ | Im using 102 pc in xorg, but F12 wont work |
| 22:58.16 | raf256 | valdyn: 2. system is configured so that if I run gpg as raf256, it read/write its files and they are indeed stored in /home/raf256/.gnupg |
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| 22:58.52 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: no |
| 22:58.55 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: so bet, why not |
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| 22:59.10 | streuner | Jacky^: look at /msg dpkg laptop |
| 22:59.14 | dondelelcaro | raf256: sure, here's a simple one: alias gpg=myspecialgpgwrapperwhichstealsyourpassword |
| 22:59.17 | raf256 | clearly you lack knowlage of power of grswecurity :) I would be happy to prove it |
| 22:59.25 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: no aliases, no such stuff |
| 22:59.27 | Jacky^ | streuner: ty |
| 22:59.33 | streuner | Jacky^: what's the manufactor of the laptop (sony, dell..) |
| 22:59.43 | dondelelcaro | raf256: uh, surely you're running this in a shell? |
| 22:59.48 | Jacky^ | Olidata, I think may compaq or HP |
| 23:00.01 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: the only "trick" there is the usage of grsecurity(including rbac+pax) kernel patch and having it configured to protect my gnupg keys |
| 23:00.07 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: yeeeeeeeees |
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| 23:00.31 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: ok, I will do ANYTHING you tell me to do, even as root (except changing kernels or grsecurity config) |
| 23:00.32 | dondelelcaro | raf256: right, but there's nothing stoping a trojan running as you from accessing the gpg keys that you would normally be able to access |
| 23:00.45 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: but there is! |
| 23:00.47 | pppp | and this is where you're wrong |
| 23:00.50 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: the magic of grsecurity |
| 23:00.52 | pppp | see that's why i dont like linux users |
| 23:01.06 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: if you are so shure why not bet. |
| 23:01.06 | stew | sweet, i never new i could patch my kernel with magic! |
| 23:01.14 | pppp | they are SO FUCKING SURE they know everything while in reality they just get big black cocks shoved up their tiny teenage asses |
| 23:01.22 | valdyn | pppp: shut up |
| 23:01.28 | stew | pppp: that is uncalled for |
| 23:01.32 | dondelelcaro | pppp: that's wildly innapropriate here. |
| 23:01.44 | XTF | Hi. du -s / says 12961550 but df says 17937176 used. Does anyone know how I can find out what causes the difference? |
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| 23:01.50 | pipeline | pppp: Well, you don't have to like us. |
| 23:01.53 | dondelelcaro | raf256: can you access the gpg keys while running normally as your user? |
| 23:01.56 | pipeline | pppp: But you have to be nice. |
| 23:01.59 | GyrosGeier | XTF, your files have holes. |
| 23:02.11 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: I can access the gpg keys only when using gpg application |
| 23:02.14 | GyrosGeier | oh, wait |
| 23:02.21 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: no program runned by me, or my root, can acccess them |
| 23:02.31 | dondelelcaro | raf256: and can you run lets say, sh -c gpg? |
| 23:02.39 | XTF | GyrosGeier: Wouldn't that only explain the other way around? |
| 23:02.40 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: if I finish my grsecurity config then even directy reading /dev/hda will not allow root to read them |
| 23:02.47 | GyrosGeier | XTF, yes |
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| 23:03.08 | dondelelcaro | raf256: and moreover can you run, say, sh -c gpg --export-secret-keys? |
| 23:03.25 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: thoes files can be accessed ONLY by the /usr/bin/gpg program. If I can run that program and trick it to dump out (export) keys then ok I will stole them |
| 23:03.26 | GyrosGeier | XTF, probably some deleted files that are still open |
| 23:03.29 | raf256 | indeed |
| 23:03.39 | XTF | GyrosGeier: I was thinking about that, but how do I check that? |
| 23:03.39 | raf256 | but that only proves it was not a perfect example |
| 23:03.41 | dondelelcaro | raf256: that's precisely the point. |
| 23:03.41 | oneo | when i plug in my usb device, linux doesnt seem to know what to do with it: "usbhid: probe of 2-2:1.0 failed with error -5"...it is a hid device but i think its supposed to be handed off to joydev....is there a list that it checks the product and vendor id against in order to determine what to do with it? |
| 23:03.42 | raf256 | the gnupg |
| 23:03.43 | GyrosGeier | XTF, lsof |
| 23:03.53 | dondelelcaro | raf256: if you can do it as your user, the trojan can do it as your user. |
| 23:03.54 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: but its a "problem" of gnupg |
| 23:04.05 | dondelelcaro | raf256: because the trojan becomes you. |
| 23:04.08 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: there is a solution: |
| 23:04.23 | Set | pppp is my kind of asshole |
| 23:04.33 | raf256 | I would need a program like gpg-secure that will simply have commeted out the option to dump out secret keys |
| 23:04.37 | dondelelcaro | if the solution is to disable gpg --export, then I submit that it's no longer something you can do as your user |
| 23:04.41 | abrotman | set: leave him alone |
| 23:04.52 | pppp | am i |
| 23:04.55 | GyrosGeier | oneo, either vid/did or device class |
| 23:05.04 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: second, let me think |
| 23:05.18 | pppp | bring your swedish ass over fuckface |
| 23:05.18 | Azar | how can I change the password for my user? |
| 23:05.24 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:05.24 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@fatboy.ethernet.org] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:05.24 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:05.33 | dondelelcaro | Azar: run passwd |
| 23:05.36 | raf256 | what doesmirak do? |
| 23:05.40 | Azar | thanks dondelecaro |
| 23:05.48 | raf256 | what did that guy do |
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| 23:06.08 | raf256 | oh, pppp |
| 23:06.15 | michal` | why have your baned him |
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| 23:06.22 | michal` | to show that you can do it ? |
| 23:06.32 | dondelelcaro | michal`: /lastlog is your friend. |
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| 23:06.47 | oneo | GyrosGeier - right, do you know how to tell linux what to do with it based on the vid/did? |
| 23:06.51 | michal` | it was so childish from your side man |
| 23:07.04 | dondelelcaro | michal`: if you want to discuss bans, do so in /msg, not in channel please. |
| 23:07.05 | redmoth | in stable, is there any reason to use autofs to manage removable media like USBdrives or USBharddrives ? |
| 23:07.09 | streuner | Jacky^: anyway, Olidata isn't in the list, what's the actual value for the keyboard layout now? |
| 23:07.32 | Jacky^ | streuner: 102 pc "it" |
| 23:07.41 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: well ok |
| 23:07.48 | streuner | Jacky^: ok, try something more, like 104 or 105 |
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| 23:07.56 | GyrosGeier | oneo, /lib/modules/2.6.14-2-amd64-k8/modules.usbmap |
| 23:07.57 | Jacky^ | streuner: ok, thanks |
| 23:07.59 | michal` | i think ban is a channel thing |
| 23:08.00 | Set | dondelelcaro did the right thing. |
| 23:08.02 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: I can dissallow your script from executing gpg |
| 23:08.06 | michal` | not a private standoff |
| 23:08.18 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: so yes, you can give me any executable what so ever |
| 23:08.25 | michal` | he just wanted to get some informations |
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| 23:08.30 | jjazz | michal`: mirak wasn't banned, so knock it off |
| 23:08.33 | dondelelcaro | michal`: discussing them is wildly off topic; and being abusive is even more so. |
| 23:08.33 | michal` | and you have refused to answer him |
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| 23:08.37 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: and if I run it as my user, it can not steal .gnupg keys nor directly nor by using gpg --export |
| 23:08.57 | michal` | anyway |
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| 23:09.02 | michal` | are you always so on topic ? |
| 23:09.11 | michal` | it has to be dreadfull borring |
| 23:09.15 | michal` | man |
| 23:09.15 | Stevie | Which manual page do you want? |
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| 23:09.21 | michal` | chillout sometimes |
| 23:09.28 | Set | who's mirak? |
| 23:09.31 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: please concider -b for him in some time, lets fight with like microsoft guys, or terrorists (from russia america and so on;) dont figt eachother |
| 23:09.33 | michal` | man man |
| 23:09.34 | dondelelcaro | michal`: /lastlog pppp; please... and please discontinue this discussion. It's silly. |
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| 23:09.44 | RichiH | michal`: if you did /lastlog pppp, you would know wht dondelelcaro did it :) |
| 23:09.56 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: please consider unbanning him later, be the bigger man here :) |
| 23:09.57 | mirak | Set: I am a dirt bag |
| 23:10.08 | Set | mirak, sounds good to me |
| 23:10.10 | redmoth | sorry to interrupt, but is autofs something that should be used in stable anymore, or has some better method been implemented |
| 23:10.10 | RichiH | or you are just part of an elaborate plan by some really bored prebuscent boys ;p |
| 23:10.33 | dondelelcaro | raf256: it'll be removed during part of a normal ban clearing |
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| 23:10.45 | michal` | dondelelcaro: i can stop because i have more interesting things to do but unban him later |
| 23:10.47 | mirak | Set: why do ou ask ? |
| 23:10.47 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: to summ up, I will run any program you give me. The progam will fail to extract my .gnupg keys. Even using gnupg. And still if I run the gpg program, I will be able to use my keys. |
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| 23:11.05 | slava | what imap server do people recommend? |
| 23:11.10 | Set | mirak, I'm a curious guy |
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| 23:11.38 | raf256 | valdyn: ^ |
| 23:11.53 | scarynetworkguy | raf256: So how do you sign an email? You have to let some other app call gpg, no? |
| 23:11.55 | preatorian | hmm |
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| 23:12.06 | scarynetworkguy | Say for example, mutt. |
| 23:12.06 | valdyn | raf256: the originial question was " can a trojan do everything I can do ", it still can. |
| 23:12.25 | raf256 | valdyn: please discuss on that example since it is more clear ok? |
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| 23:12.33 | raf256 | scarynetworkguy: yes, but only my email program (and few others) are allowed to execute gpg |
| 23:12.35 | GyrosGeier | slava, I use cyrus |
| 23:12.36 | valdyn | raf256: doing something like you described with gpg does not even need grsecurity though |
| 23:12.45 | GyrosGeier | slava, but it's nontrivial to set up |
| 23:12.50 | raf256 | valdyn: how can I do it in pure debian? |
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| 23:12.54 | scarynetworkguy | raf256: So is it a whitelist or a blacklist? |
| 23:12.58 | slava | GyrosGeier: hmm. i only have a small server with two accounts |
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| 23:13.13 | slava | GyrosGeier: what is the simplest server? imap and ssl are a requirement |
| 23:13.16 | raf256 | scarynetworkguy: Im learning grsec RBAC right now Im a newbie but afair it is both. set of ACLs |
| 23:13.33 | valdyn | raf256: a file that your user cannot read, a SUID program that reads and uses that file. |
| 23:13.33 | Kluster_v2 | redmoth, Im not ignoring you |
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| 23:13.51 | redmoth | lol |
| 23:14.11 | scarynetworkguy | raf256: It can't be both... They are by defination mutually exclusive... |
| 23:14.15 | preatorian | anyone an idea how to implent rlm_eap_tls.so in debian, WITHOUT reinstalling openssl?, because freeradius is missing that one, and dont know for sure if it is causing many problem? |
| 23:14.16 | raf256 | valdyn: well, the troyan can execute the SUID program right? |
| 23:14.32 | abrotman | !find rlm_eap_tls.so sarge |
| 23:14.32 | valdyn | raf256: the trojan can also execute gpg |
| 23:14.44 | raf256 | scarynetworkguy: this is a set of rules that allow both "allow" and "dissallow", this is not a simple list |
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| 23:14.56 | raf256 | valdyn: no, I can stop it from doing that. using grsecruity |
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| 23:15.15 | raf256 | valdyn: I can restrict so that only my email client can run the gpg |
| 23:15.17 | Azar | raf256, what dondelecaro said ^^^^^^^^^^6 |
| 23:15.30 | preatorian | !find rlm_eap_tls.so sarge |
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| 23:15.44 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: yes, I *do* use grsecurity, in debian :) |
| 23:15.45 | dondelelcaro | raf256: again, if your e-mail client can export the keys, so can the trojan. If your e-mail client can't, the trojan can't. |
| 23:15.49 | valdyn | raf256: thats only making it complicated, so the trojan has to use your email program to use pgp |
| 23:15.56 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: actually I applyed it manully to have the nwest version, not yet released |
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| 23:16.12 | michal` | well |
| 23:16.24 | dondelelcaro | raf256: the trojan (because it is running as you) can do anything that you can do. It's indistinguishable. |
| 23:16.27 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: no :) email program CAN run gnupg, troyan is forbiden to do that. with grsecurity |
| 23:16.30 | michal` | if you restrict access to gpg oapp nly |
| 23:16.33 | preatorian | abrotman, how long does that updating takes? :+ |
| 23:16.33 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: it is not |
| 23:16.35 | abrotman | i don't see what's so hard to grasp about a trojan .. |
| 23:16.43 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: how about a bet to prove who is right? |
| 23:16.47 | abrotman | preatorian: dpkg didn't say anything ? |
| 23:16.47 | jjazz | abrotman: sometimes they're slippery |
| 23:16.51 | michal` | and restrict anybody from ever touching gnupg binary |
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| 23:16.58 | abrotman | jjazz: use a dash of sand! |
| 23:17.00 | michal` | or make it "invisible" for them |
| 23:17.02 | preatorian | abrotman, no just "updating" |
| 23:17.04 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: we dont have to bet money or anything if you dont want to |
| 23:17.06 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 23:17.06 | dpkg | hi, abrotman |
| 23:17.06 | michal` | and write protected |
| 23:17.13 | michal` | system wide |
| 23:17.17 | michal` | how would you get those jeys than ? |
| 23:17.21 | jjazz | abrotman: I like your style. You got grit! |
| 23:17.22 | michal` | *keys |
| 23:17.22 | dondelelcaro | raf256: the bet is immaterial; concentrate on the message. Trojan==you. If you can do it, the trojan can do it. |
| 23:17.26 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: If he closes his eyes, puts his fingers in his ears, and yells loudly enough it'll all go away. :) |
| 23:17.31 | raf256 | michal`: dont spoil my met! who will buy me thinkgeek toys now?! (j/k :) |
| 23:17.33 | dondelelcaro | raf256: if you can't do it, the trojan can't do it. |
| 23:17.43 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: S&W is so much easier :) |
| 23:17.52 | michal` | do nto get trojaned :) |
| 23:17.58 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: *nod* |
| 23:18.03 | michal` | and it is not _him_ |
| 23:18.05 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: the trojan is a binary process, that can be restricted from executing other processes with advanced kernel like grsecurity |
| 23:18.08 | michal` | it is gnupg _role_ |
| 23:18.17 | streuner | abrotman: S&W? |
| 23:18.20 | michal` | and your trojan won't have access to that _role_ |
| 23:18.27 | scarynetworkguy | michal`: You *so* don't want to go down that rabbit hole. |
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| 23:18.38 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: unless you are talking about a trojan == a brainslug that invades my brain, know my grsecurity passwords etc ;) |
| 23:18.39 | preatorian | well that doenst solve my issue here :+ |
| 23:18.41 | preatorian | bleh |
| 23:18.45 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'rlm_eap_tls.so' returned no results. |
| 23:18.53 | preatorian | :) |
| 23:18.54 | michal` | so, not having access to that _role_ you _cannot_ do it |
| 23:18.59 | michal` | simple as that |
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| 23:19.17 | michal` | with any MAC (==mandatory access control system) |
| 23:19.27 | dondelelcaro | michal`: how do you differentiate whether it is actually him running whatever command, or the trojan? |
| 23:19.31 | preatorian | rlm_eap_tls.so' returned no results. <== whiee, figured so, just anathor license problem of debian :( |
| 23:19.32 | raf256 | that is the beauty of grsecurity \o/ |
| 23:19.37 | preatorian | with openssl :( |
| 23:19.39 | scarynetworkguy | michal`: But you would have to give say, for example, mutt that role, right? |
| 23:19.54 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: kernel knows |
| 23:19.58 | dondelelcaro | raf256: how? |
| 23:20.12 | michal` | dondelelcaro: only gnupg can access it. you cannot run gnupg. you cannot overwrite it. |
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| 23:20.14 | d0uglas | I just got a fresh box on colo. Is it possible to install X with KDE and then config KDE's built-in vnc with ssh in text? |
| 23:20.15 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: well, kernel have the PID UID and patch of program that is trying to spawn a new program |
| 23:20.17 | abrotman | preatorian: he arrived! :) |
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| 23:20.21 | neuterspay | apt-get install fglrx-driver |
| 23:20.22 | neuterspay | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 23:20.22 | neuterspay | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 23:20.22 | neuterspay | E: The package fglrx-6-8-0 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archivefor it. |
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| 23:20.24 | abrotman | d0uglas: it's a server ? |
| 23:20.31 | d0uglas | yeah |
| 23:20.32 | michal` | scarynetworkguy: yes that you would have to access mutt role |
| 23:20.35 | dondelelcaro | raf256: the difference between your shell execing something() and your shell being told to exec() something, are the same... |
| 23:20.36 | d0uglas | ... running debian |
| 23:20.37 | abrotman | d0uglas: servers don't run X :) |
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| 23:20.41 | Kaz_64 | once i do a basic install with disk one, how do i install X and gnome with apt-get? |
| 23:20.45 | ABaer | Hi, can anyone help me with smbmount? I have the following problem/errormsg: http://phpfi.com/94814 |
| 23:20.47 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: if (grsecurity) kernel see that a process beeing ~/sometroyan.bin is trying to run /bin/gpg it kills the process |
| 23:20.49 | abrotman | !tell neuterspay about paste |
| 23:20.56 | neuterspay | :( |
| 23:20.58 | neuterspay | I've got it. |
| 23:21.02 | dondelelcaro | raf256: you're assuming that the trojan would access it directly. |
| 23:21.03 | scarynetworkguy | michal`: So an attacker inserts a trojan in mutt. Done. :) |
| 23:21.08 | neuterspay | Trying to figure this out |
| 23:21.11 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: I can forbid the trojan from running a shell |
| 23:21.13 | michal` | scarynetworkguy: not |
| 23:21.16 | dondelelcaro | raf256: how? |
| 23:21.20 | michal` | scarynetworkguy: how would you do that ? |
| 23:21.21 | raf256 | in grsecurity |
| 23:21.29 | raf256 | I can set that only kdeinit can run shell |
| 23:21.30 | abrotman | raf256: the trojan is you .. can you run a shell ? |
| 23:21.31 | dondelelcaro | raf256: and who says that the trojan needs to run a shell? It can just change your .bashrc |
| 23:21.33 | scarynetworkguy | michal`: Do you compile your own mutt? |
| 23:21.35 | michal` | mutt binary and libraries and files are write protected |
| 23:21.48 | michal` | i have checked gnupg signature on mutt |
| 23:21.50 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: I can forbid the troyan from that |
| 23:21.54 | michal` | mutt deb |
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| 23:22.02 | Kaz_64 | once i do a basic install with disk one, how do i install X and gnome with apt-get? |
| 23:22.07 | dondelelcaro | raf256: can you modify your own .bashrc? |
| 23:22.10 | abrotman | raf256: a trojan running as you can do anything you can do .. end of discussion .. there's no arguing .. the trojan is YOU |
| 23:22.14 | michal` | i trust debian release team (k, i do not but sya i do) |
| 23:22.23 | valdyn | Kaz_64: 'apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome' |
| 23:22.24 | michal` | you cannot influence mutt process which is also protected |
| 23:22.29 | Kaz_64 | thanks |
| 23:22.33 | michal` | raf256: www.rsbac.org :) |
| 23:22.38 | michal` | that's my daily work |
| 23:22.45 | preatorian | google just came up with some weird linking problem and or openvpn shit, .. or forums with 1 or 2 users with the exact same problem ... just no answers :+ |
| 23:22.46 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: user raf256 can not change its bashrc |
| 23:22.53 | amorphix | do you work daily? |
| 23:23.00 | michal` | not really ;p |
| 23:23.41 | amorphix | or just do daily work? |
| 23:23.41 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: only processes runned by kdeinit by user raf256 can change bashrc |
| 23:23.42 | michal` | but say i do ;] |
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| 23:23.42 | amorphix | hehe |
| 23:23.42 | michal` | i am living from it, anyway it depends how much i am working ;p |
| 23:23.42 | scarynetworkguy | michal`: Right... A signature provided to you by whom? And how do you know they didn't compile and then hash trojane code? How do you know they used a clean complier? As soon as you take the person out of the security loop you have left the path of wisdom. |
| 23:23.42 | karsten | RichiH: See Joey Hess's post to debian-user on the topic in the past day or so. |
| 23:23.42 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: abrotman: I can differ between "me" and "troyan" by checking history of who run what. |
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| 23:23.55 | RichiH | karsten: do you have a link handy? |
| 23:23.56 | michal` | scarynetworkguy: you need to trust somebody. if you do not trust - turn of computer _now_ |
| 23:24.00 | michal` | *off |
| 23:24.02 | karsten | RichiH: http://www.google.com/ |
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| 23:24.13 | michal` | because it is gathering and sending your private data |
| 23:24.18 | michal` | ah, btw |
| 23:24.19 | RichiH | karsten: that's where i am :) |
| 23:24.20 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: valdyn: ALLOW to access .gnupg or .bashrc for init -> gdm -> kde -> kdeinit -> Konsole -> bash |
| 23:24.28 | michal` | THEY are making a big game |
| 23:24.29 | karsten | RichiH: site:lists.debian.org joey hess gpg key should help |
| 23:24.31 | michal` | called matrix |
| 23:24.36 | michal` | we are all living inside matrix |
| 23:24.38 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: valdyn: DISSALLOW to access .gnupg or .bashrc for the_troyan -> any_progam |
| 23:24.42 | michal` | and thre's no way out for us |
| 23:24.46 | benjamindees | does the Gaim in unstable work with AOL IM? |
| 23:24.50 | michal` | all this world is faked |
| 23:24.57 | bedouin | well.. I have salvaged KDE and all is well |
| 23:25.02 | dondelelcaro | michal`: what, like mutt -e '`gpg --export-secret > /tmp/secret_key`' ? |
| 23:25.11 | amorphix | green tea is rich in antioxidants |
| 23:25.14 | bedouin | now to figure out what got borked with apache |
| 23:25.15 | RichiH | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.18 | scarynetworkguy | michal`: I trust myself. :) But then again I'm smart enough to tell if a app is doing something funky. You simply can't build an automated system that can bring that to the party. That's the point. |
| 23:25.26 | raf256 | michal`: can you paste an exam,mmple of how it works? Im in middle of changing my policy |
| 23:25.32 | lkjlkjlkj | scarynetworkguy, given there are 700 odd bugs filed against apt, keys seem to have more of a security blanket feeling about them than any real security value |
| 23:25.34 | michal` | dondelelcaro: secret key still is accesible by those who need it |
| 23:25.49 | michal` | raf256: no, because i am working on another MAC system, not grsecurity ;p |
| 23:25.53 | valdyn | raf256: that doesnt really secure you from that trojan at all, as it is you who starts the trojan |
| 23:26.20 | michal` | role is tight to an _application_ not user |
| 23:26.26 | valdyn | raf256: and if you can only spawn stuff from kde shells, then you start the trojan from a kde shell |
| 23:26.35 | raf256 | valdyn: I can make a rule like: * -> troyan -> * -> .gnupg == DISSALOW THAT |
| 23:26.37 | michal` | and you cannot fake that binary |
| 23:26.39 | karsten | RichiH: Thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/01/msg00288.html |
| 23:26.53 | michal` | anyway, i'm gone |
| 23:27.06 | michal` | gimme a note when you will get it :) |
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| 23:27.08 | raf256 | valdyn: rule * -> trojan -> * -> .gnupg will stop ..-> kde -> trjoan -> gpg -> .gnupg |
| 23:27.09 | Eulex | yeeha :) |
| 23:27.09 | dondelelcaro | raf256: that assumes that the trojan is actually executing something which executes gpg; it doesn't need to do that. |
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| 23:27.16 | karsten | RichiH: Post: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/01/msg00351.html |
| 23:27.30 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: trojan can not red directly thoes files as well |
| 23:27.37 | Eulex | gnome 2.12 + kde 3.5 + new dbus coming to unstable soon :) |
| 23:27.38 | asuffield | not to mention that it's the 'antivirus' scam |
| 23:27.52 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: any program runned by trojan can not read thoes files as well |
| 23:27.53 | asuffield | you've got a magic program in there which can distinguish between 'good' and 'evil' programs |
| 23:27.57 | lkjlkjlkj | this computer has 200,000 odd files installed on it from debian, if none of them are trojans I'd be amazed |
| 23:28.00 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: any program runned by any program [...] by trojan can not read thoes files as well |
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| 23:28.14 | dondelelcaro | raf256: who says the trojan needs to run the program itself? |
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| 23:28.23 | asuffield | anyway, these are all fairly uninteresting, poor reinventions of selinux. selinux has its applications but this is not one of them |
| 23:28.25 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: what is the other option? |
| 23:28.35 | asuffield | there's only one way to do sandboxing and that's in a sandbox |
| 23:28.39 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: so will you bet or not? Lets make it simple: |
| 23:28.41 | dondelelcaro | raf256: it can modify something that you can modify which then causes mutt to be run. |
| 23:29.01 | Kernel-Kris | im trying to mount a ufs drive and its telling me i cant mount it RW becasue UFS was compiled with read only support ...how can i get it to mount RW |
| 23:29.10 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: I will create /home/raf256/bank/secret.txt |
| 23:29.12 | dondelelcaro | like .bashrc or .bashprofile or ... and the list goes on... |
| 23:29.16 | h3xis | i just compiled the 2.6.15 kernel and everything went fine. i edited menu.lst in grub accordingly; whenever i try to boot to the new kernel i get "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" |
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| 23:29.51 | streuner | h3xis: disable INITRD |
| 23:30.05 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: I can stop anyone from changing .bashrc |
| 23:30.10 | h3xis | streuner, ok...just crious, why? |
| 23:30.13 | h3xis | curious* |
| 23:30.13 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: without giving a password first |
| 23:30.15 | dondelelcaro | raf256: can you actually change .bashrc yourself? |
| 23:30.29 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: If I give the grsecurity password |
| 23:30.30 | streuner | h3xis: because you don't need it ? |
| 23:30.44 | recall | Erm, does gstreamer & amarok sound...hilariously nintendo-ish to anyone else? |
| 23:30.50 | Kernel-Kris | im trying to mount a ufs drive and its telling me i cant mount it RW becasue UFS was compiled with read only support ...how can i get it to mount RW |
| 23:30.52 | lkjlkjlkj | h3xis, gotta love those meaningful error messages ;) |
| 23:30.55 | streuner | h3xis: compile IDE and stuff into kernel not as module, do you use SCSI? |
| 23:30.56 | h3xis | streuner, i'll take your word for it, but ive always needed it in the past, so why would it start this now? |
| 23:30.56 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: I can also make it very hard to sniff, it would require hardware access to hdd to set a virused kernel |
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| 23:31.07 | h3xis | no scsi |
| 23:31.27 | asuffield | 'can', hah. I bet I know at least four different ways to snoop that password right now |
| 23:31.42 | asuffield | starting with X |
| 23:31.52 | streuner | h3xis: kerneloptions change every release, don't ask me which option you made wrong, there are more than 500 |
| 23:31.52 | Kernel-Kris | anyone? |
| 23:32.08 | h3xis | streuner, so i should just rebuild it with IDE built in? |
| 23:32.10 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: how about forking a special shell off? ;-) |
| 23:32.18 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: Can we add "guy with a stick and a rubber hose" to that list? :) |
| 23:32.29 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: if I do enter my secret password and then I run cat ~/bank/secret i will set the text |
| 23:32.36 | asuffield | scarynetworkguy: overkill, a guy with a good pair of binoculars will do the job |
| 23:32.39 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: you can give me the virus |
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| 23:33.01 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: or ask me to do anything on my account (EXCEPT telling you or typing the secret password to grsecurity) |
| 23:33.09 | daniele83 | hi! how can I play an rmvb file? |
| 23:33.14 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: Yeah. But mine is so much more fun. |
| 23:33.16 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: and you will not be able to see ~/bank/secret. bet :) ? |
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| 23:33.40 | raf256 | I just use grsecuroty, the file is not encrypted or anything like that |
| 23:33.53 | dondelelcaro | raf256: the trojan can still do anything that you can do; if it has the password (as you do) it can read the file. If it doesn't have the password, it may not be able to read it, just like you may not be able to read it without the password. |
| 23:33.59 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: common and decide, bet or not (and bout what price)? |
| 23:34.13 | dondelelcaro | raf256: that's no different then making the file chmod 0000; chown 0.0; |
| 23:34.26 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: dude, I am a human beeing, I as a human have the password in my brain |
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| 23:34.35 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: the trojan is not "me" :) |
| 23:34.36 | asuffield | then at some point you will type it in |
| 23:34.40 | asuffield | and then the trojan has the password |
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| 23:34.47 | raf256 | asuffield: how it have it? |
| 23:34.48 | john_do1 | how do I know if my system is updated to the update of sarge from december? |
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| 23:35.03 | raf256 | asuffield: grsecurity prevents program from sniffing termionals |
| 23:35.05 | raf256 | *terminals |
| 23:35.11 | asuffield | bullshit |
| 23:35.16 | raf256 | or reading memory or stracing other programs |
| 23:35.25 | robin_sz | john_do1: just run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade .. |
| 23:35.25 | valdyn | john_do1: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:35.29 | raf256 | asuffield: if you are so shure, can you bet on it? |
| 23:35.32 | dondelelcaro | raf256: it doesn't need to do any of that. |
| 23:35.33 | Kernel-Kris | can anyone help me mount a ufs drive? |
| 23:35.38 | robin_sz | oh, dist-upgrade? |
| 23:35.48 | rightcoast | yeah dist-upgrade |
| 23:35.49 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: how it can then get the password? can you demonstrate? |
| 23:35.50 | caphuso | robin_sz: overkill |
| 23:35.53 | Azar | huh tcp6? thats a first for me, when did it started? |
| 23:35.54 | asuffield | why would I bother going to the effort? |
| 23:35.57 | dondelelcaro | raf256: it can just give you a $ prompt, and let you on your mery way, until you try to cat foo/bar |
| 23:36.00 | caphuso | doesn't do any harm, but isn't necessary either |
| 23:36.10 | john_do1 | valdyn: then I will have to change something in sources.list, right? |
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| 23:36.19 | valdyn | john_do1: no, why? |
| 23:36.26 | robin_sz | caphuso: which part is unecessarry? |
| 23:36.28 | dondelelcaro | raf256: then, it gives you a nice password prompt, allows you to enter your grsecurity password, and now it has it. |
| 23:36.31 | caphuso | robin_sz: the "dist-" one |
| 23:36.43 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: can I make an not-so-polite comment without beeing kicked? |
| 23:36.45 | john_do1 | to tell the name of the distribution I want to upgrade to |
| 23:37.06 | asuffield | classical secure-path attack, there's at least half a dozen vectors for that one on a standard dekstop |
| 23:37.09 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: we assume I do not type the password into a prompt that I didnt stared |
| 23:37.14 | caphuso | john_do1: you don't want to upgrade to a new distribution, you merely want to install a couple of security updates |
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| 23:37.22 | lkjlkjlkj | john_do1, sarge is sometimes updated daily ... apt-get upgrade is more prudent that apt-get dist-upgrade ... dist-upgrade works without changing distribution, but is more agressive in it's attempts to resolve dependencies |
| 23:37.33 | dondelelcaro | raf256: oh, you think you started it... it behaves just like a normal shell. |
| 23:37.35 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: OFCOURSE is user is a moron, then even a virus like echp "Im albonian virus, delete some files and send me to friends" will work. |
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| 23:37.55 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: will it start at bootup? at start of kde? |
| 23:37.59 | dondelelcaro | raf256: trojans are predicated on the user being a moron. |
| 23:38.01 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: can I make an comment? |
| 23:38.07 | robin_sz | caphuso: dist-upgrade is not something I would do unless I was specifiaccly changing from say testing to stable ... |
| 23:38.09 | valdyn | john_do1: upgrade is probably enough, dist-upgrade does not hurt. To be 'complete' you should read the upgrade notes though, as for exaple gamin got removed from sarge and upgrading wont remove it |
| 23:38.18 | asuffield | raf256: right now, and persisting for the rest of your kde session, capturing everything you type into every window |
| 23:38.30 | asuffield | that's like the most common attack vector ever |
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| 23:38.36 | dondelelcaro | mmm... xev |
| 23:38.45 | raf256 | asuffield: I dont know about KDE, however if we talk about a virtual terminal, it will be stopped |
| 23:38.46 | john_do1 | valdyn: I thought dist-upgrade only made sense when I had changed the distribution name. |
| 23:38.49 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: keyboard grab and event synthesis, but anyway |
| 23:38.54 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: indeed perhaps xev-style-attack will work |
| 23:39.10 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: thats why grsecurity passwords should be entered in virtual terminal |
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| 23:39.25 | asuffield | uh huh, and how exactly were you planning on getting to a virtual terminal? |
| 23:39.26 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: can I make a comment?? yes or no |
| 23:39.31 | lkjlkjlkj | john_do1, dist-upgrade is also useful within a distribution, but mainly not in stable/sarge as major changes tend not to happen there |
| 23:39.38 | raf256 | asuffield: by pressing alt+ctrl+f5? |
| 23:39.38 | asuffield | next time you hit alt-f1, you think you're looking at one |
| 23:39.41 | asuffield | but you're not |
| 23:39.45 | asuffield | you're looking at an xterm |
| 23:39.52 | asuffield | pretending to be a vt |
| 23:39.52 | john_do1 | lkjlkjlkj: I see |
| 23:39.53 | valdyn | john_do1: not really true, what is true is that dist-upgrade doing more than upgrade would be uncommon for a stable debian release |
| 23:39.54 | Kernel-Kris | someone please help me mounting a UFS drive |
| 23:40.08 | raf256 | asuffield: I think ggrsec can protect from that, Im not 100% shure is taht implemented in yet |
| 23:40.16 | john_do1 | valdyn: But it actually does in my current situation |
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| 23:40.33 | asuffield | it can't. nothing can. linux does not attempt to provide secure path |
| 23:40.34 | lkjlkjlkj | Kernel-Kris, if it's telling you to recompile that's probably what you need to do ... sorry I can't offer any more specific help |
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| 23:40.43 | valdyn | john_do1: so you didnt have sarge before that i guess |
| 23:40.49 | raf256 | asuffield: Linus do not, the grsecurity kernel project does |
| 23:40.52 | valdyn | john_do1: or you had pre release sarge |
| 23:40.54 | john_do1 | valdyn: yes, I had |
| 23:40.56 | asuffield | bullshit |
| 23:41.01 | raf256 | asuffield: actually, |
| 23:41.12 | raf256 | asuffield: is it at all possible to remap alt+ctrl+f1 key in X? |
| 23:41.15 | asuffield | secure path is an utter bitch to provide, only military hardware ever bothers |
| 23:41.19 | john_do1 | valdyn: It's only a couple of packages that make the difference |
| 23:41.25 | asuffield | of course it's possible |
| 23:41.31 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: and even then probably fails utterly... |
| 23:41.32 | robin_sz | john_do1: if you had sarge 3.0 and you want o have sarge 3.1 or waheterv it was called, just upgrade is fine .. its NOT a dist upgrade |
| 23:41.33 | raf256 | asuffield: I thought X will (if configured properly) dissallow anyone from stealing the alt+ctrl+f1 |
| 23:41.44 | jjazz | Kernel-Kris: FWIW, you might more luck attracting an answer if ask a specific question related to the problem you are having mounting the drive. |
| 23:41.52 | asuffield | nope, trivial to switch that off |
| 23:41.54 | raf256 | same as in windows NT no program can steal alt+ctrl+del |
| 23:41.59 | asuffield | that's a lie too |
| 23:42.00 | robin_sz | john_do1: and people who keep upto date as a amtter of course will have already been there before the "release" anyway |
| 23:42.01 | lkjlkjlkj | jjazz, scroll up |
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| 23:42.03 | raf256 | asuffield: but that can be switched on? |
| 23:42.04 | asuffield | it's easy to capture C-A-D in windows |
| 23:42.07 | john_do1 | robin_sz: I'm confused. I just did a dist-upgrade |
| 23:42.10 | valdyn | raf256: except that they can |
| 23:42.11 | raf256 | in windows nt |
| 23:42.13 | asuffield | MS just put around some PR saying that it wasn't |
| 23:42.22 | jjazz | lkjlkjlkj: ah |
| 23:42.25 | john_do1 | robin_sz: ok, I see. |
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| 23:42.28 | asuffield | it's purely invented though |
| 23:42.33 | raf256 | wait, windows is shit dont mention that next to fine stuff like debian gentoo and grsec :) |
| 23:42.34 | robin_sz | john_do1: then you are fully up to date, relax |
| 23:42.51 | raf256 | valdyn: can I set Xorg so that no program can steal alt+ctrl+f1? |
| 23:42.53 | jjazz | asuffield: you have a link to support that assertion? I'd like to read it. |
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| 23:43.13 | john_do1 | It was because I had some problems with mounting some disks. I hoped that those problems would be solved... |
| 23:43.15 | raf256 | valdyn: if I can, then I just have to disable changing the config of X |
| 23:43.18 | robin_sz | ahh, fuck .. everyone ois arguing today ... |
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| 23:43.35 | robin_sz | will you lot just calm down and summon the dancing girls? |
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| 23:43.41 | asuffield | jjazz: why? it's so trivial that it's not even interesting |
| 23:43.46 | raf256 | robin_sz: we are learning the joy of making linux unhackable using grsecurity |
| 23:43.59 | raf256 | we are not fighting :) |
| 23:44.00 | lkjlkjlkj | john_do1, I assume you did an apt-get update before the dist-upgrade ? if so you are up to date |
| 23:44.01 | pjv | what's a good ids to use? |
| 23:44.20 | asuffield | jjazz: the C-A-D thing defends against windows 95 applications and not a lot else, nobody ever really took it seriously |
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| 23:44.21 | lkjlkjlkj | asif girls would come here, let alone dance |
| 23:44.38 | jjazz | asuffield: Because I sometimes use freenx on a win box to access a remote Linux desktop. It works great, except that windows steals cntrl-tab. I was hoping you could point me to something that will yield a way to tell Windows to ignore cntrl-tab. |
| 23:44.46 | robin_sz | john_do1: update doesnt DO anyting, apart from update some internal lists of what is what |
| 23:44.51 | john_do1 | lkjlkjlkj: I did |
| 23:44.54 | lkjlkjlkj | john_do1, what problems mounting disks ? |
| 23:44.58 | raf256 | valdyn: ? |
| 23:44.59 | asuffield | jjazz: oh, not quite that simple I'm afraid. you have to fool around with directx or a vxd of your own creation |
| 23:45.05 | jjazz | s/cntrl-tab/alt-tab/ |
| 23:45.06 | valdyn | raf256: no idea |
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| 23:45.25 | jjazz | asuffield: ah, not worth it. much simpler to avoid the win box. Thanks. |
| 23:45.28 | asuffield | quite |
| 23:46.04 | robin_sz | windows is a virus |
| 23:46.21 | john_do1 | lkjlkjlkj: some VERY annoying ones. When I try to mount an ext3 system (not /, that one is working fine), the system freezes. This is no problem with the same file systems in knoppix and gentoo |
| 23:46.40 | john_do1 | lkjlkjlkj: I thought it could be a kernel issue |
| 23:47.02 | lkjlkjlkj | john_do1, yucky - I assume you've fscked the partition ? |
| 23:47.41 | robin_sz | lkjlkjlkj: trust me, if girls come here; they dance. |
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| 23:49.42 | john_do1 | lkjlkjlkj: yes, I have. It's clean. |
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| 23:50.02 | raf256 | anyway |
| 23:50.05 | raf256 | as you see |
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| 23:50.38 | john_do1 | lkjlkjlkj: it's two file systems. I'm sure the problem is in the installation. |
| 23:50.49 | raf256 | debian is not secure without grsecurity, in terms that there are no real means to stop one program from damagin data of user that runned it, or from stopping a program that managed to get root from fucking up the system |
| 23:51.13 | john_do1 | lkjlkjlkj: As I said, everything is working with both knoppix and gentoo |
| 23:51.33 | raf256 | but seriously, you are dissapointing me |
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| 23:52.03 | raf256 | did I convinced you yet? please bet if not to have it checked once and for all :) |
| 23:52.09 | ubarjames | bye my friends |
| 23:52.15 | jdhutchin1 | raf256, that's no different than any other linux distro, or pretty much any other unix |
| 23:52.22 | raf256 | jdhutchin1: yes |
| 23:52.42 | jjazz | (or any other widely-used OS) |
| 23:52.51 | raf256 | jdhutchin1: my initial message was about that debian have something broken which makes it hard to use some parts of grsecurity |
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| 23:53.04 | Woosta | Arrgh .. wtf .. I try to do an 'upgrade all packages' and it tells me it's going to remove KDE .. but it's going to *install* kdelibs! |
| 23:53.05 | raf256 | jjazz: please. only morons use windows for anything serious |
| 23:53.17 | Azar | I am having some service listening on port 19150 and I have no idea how to find out which service is listening.. |
| 23:53.18 | jjazz | raf256: you're wrong |
| 23:53.26 | raf256 | Woosta: it only deinstalls "virtual packge" "kde" dont worry |
| 23:53.37 | raf256 | jjazz: who else do |
| 23:53.38 | dondelelcaro | raf256: file bugs then. |
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| 23:53.40 | blahdebla1 | ref265: Unfortunately, jjazz is right. ;-) |
| 23:53.41 | tictac | Azar: did you try telnetting to the port? |
| 23:53.48 | benjamindees | Woosta, the "kde" package is a pseudo package |
| 23:53.53 | Woosta | raf256: so you're sure it's OK to just go ahead .. |
| 23:53.54 | Azar | tictac, I do not have telnet installed |
| 23:54.01 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: I dont yet understand the detils on that bug, but I will |
| 23:54.02 | caphuso | Azar: netstat or lsof |
| 23:54.07 | lkjlkjlkj | john_do1, that sounds horrid ... beyond my experience too |
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| 23:54.33 | benjamindees | Woosta, "kde" depends on a bunch of crap, if you remove some of it, kde must be removed |
| 23:54.46 | john_do1 | lkjlkjlkj: I think the problem may only appear when using both p-ata and s-ata... |
| 23:55.00 | Woosta | Do I assume the other 29 packages to be removed are similar? I just want it to upgrade what I already have installed :( |
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| 23:55.36 | lkjlkjlkj | Azar, lsof | grep 19150 |
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| 23:56.10 | Woosta | OK, in the packages that will be upgraded seems to be OK .. If I strangely disappear, something went horribly wrong :) |
| 23:56.15 | lkjlkjlkj | Woosta, beware dist-upgrade |
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| 23:56.38 | FrIeNd_El | is there any debian ISO that i can install on an 50M HDD (i only need gcc and libmysql.so) ? |
| 23:56.58 | Woosta | This is Synaptic's 'Mark all Upgrades' .. is that a dist-upgrade? |
| 23:57.18 | lkjlkjlkj | Woosta, dunno - I haven't used synaptic |
| 23:57.30 | caphuso | FrIeNd_El: no |
| 23:57.43 | Woosta | (I've done it before and recovered OK .. once I poked some other stuff .. I'm convinced my sources list is a little screwed .. but if I change it then *everything* breaks in apt :) |
| 23:58.20 | FrIeNd_El | caphuso what is the smallest hdd needed for that ? |
| 23:58.40 | caphuso | FrIeNd_El: something around 120MiB IIRC |
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| 23:59.40 | karsten | dondelelcaro: So what's your favorite obscure mutt feature? |
| 23:59.47 | lkjlkjlkj | FrIeNd_El, feather linux might do |
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| 23:59.58 | caphuso | karsten: sig_on_top. what else? :) |
