| 00:00.25 | bbrazil | caphuso: evil |
| 00:00.29 | karsten | caphuso: Hrm. |
| 00:00.42 | caphuso | bbrazil: indeed |
| 00:00.44 | karsten | caphuso: I like the documentation note. |
| 00:00.44 | lkjlkjlkj | FrIeNd_El, given that hard drives are under $1/GB, it shouldn't be hard to find a bigger drive |
| 00:00.59 | FrIeNd_El | lkjlkjlkj it does not include gcc :( |
| 00:01.18 | lkjlkjlkj | FrIeNd_El, apt-get install gcc |
| 00:01.25 | FrIeNd_El | lkjlkjlkj i have some useless drives and i thought i can make them useful |
| 00:01.33 | lkjlkjlkj | fair enough |
| 00:01.48 | karsten | FrIeNd_El: If you don't mind a cloop type configuration, some of the smaller netboots are both Debian based and fit in ~50 MB. |
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| 00:02.31 | karsten | FrIeNd_El: The smallest workable Debian installation I've got runs around 150 MB, the potato base2_2.tgz image unpacks to about 15 MB, but isn't quite what I'd consider a full system. |
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| 00:02.45 | karsten | FrIeNd_El: Make 'em useful: Frisbees! |
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| 00:03.06 | FrIeNd_El | karsten the netinst cd on debian.org ? |
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| 00:03.22 | karsten | FrIeNd_El: No. Damn Small Linux and Linux BBC |
| 00:03.52 | karsten | FrIeNd_El: The images for both weigh in at *just* under 50 MB. |
| 00:04.00 | karsten | FrIeNd_El: s/both/each/ |
| 00:04.13 | robin_sz | will they fit on a business card CDR? |
| 00:04.39 | karsten | robin_sz: That's the whole idea. |
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| 00:06.10 | robin_sz | karsten: a bus card sized net install would be enough for me ... |
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| 00:06.31 | karsten | robin_sz: The Debian netinst is around 110 MB IIRC. |
| 00:06.47 | LostFrog | There is a business card debian iso around 40ish. |
| 00:06.48 | robin_sz | indeed |
| 00:06.51 | LostFrog | No packages on it. |
| 00:06.55 | karsten | robin_sz: ... but DSL IIRC has debootstrap. LostFrog Thanks. |
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| 00:07.22 | robin_sz | debootstrap is not somethng I have played with |
| 00:07.36 | FrIeNd_El | LostAngel i don't need packages |
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| 00:07.46 | FrIeNd_El | LostAngel where can i get the businesscard debian ? |
| 00:08.16 | LostFrog | First, figure out tab completion.. <grin> |
| 00:08.18 | robin_sz | cool ... I just purchased a nice vacuum pump :) |
| 00:08.35 | karsten | robin_sz: RTF install M. |
| 00:08.37 | FrIeNd_El | :) |
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| 00:09.10 | robin_sz | karsten: nah, I just hit em with a netisnt iso. job done |
| 00:09.13 | LostFrog | FrIeNd_El: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 00:10.28 | robin_sz | do you know 8, 8" vacuum pads will happily lift a 1/4 tonne plate of steel? |
| 00:10.38 | robin_sz | irrelevant I know ... |
| 00:11.37 | LostFrog | Yes, but will it suck the filling out of a jelly donut and fill it with chocolate swirl ice cream? |
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| 00:12.21 | robin_sz | ummmm ... a good vac pump will suck ANYTHING |
| 00:12.50 | LostFrog | So will a windows installation. |
| 00:12.54 | robin_sz | true |
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| 00:13.19 | karsten | robin_sz: Two of 'em ought to do it given 2 * pi * r^2 * 14.7 lb/in |
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| 00:13.36 | karsten | robin_sz: I get 738 lb per pad theoretical. |
| 00:13.48 | deadline_ | how can i check how many harddrives are connected in a box? |
| 00:14.14 | karsten | deadline_: cat /proc/partitions, dmesg. No clean way. Visual examination ;-) |
| 00:14.19 | streuner | deadline_: try 'fdisk -l' |
| 00:14.49 | deadline_ | streuner: oh, this shows all partitions? |
| 00:14.59 | ILF_ | oh. gnome 2.12 is party in unstable. i just hope nobody foobars their installation, since it's not complete, hehe |
| 00:15.00 | streuner | yep |
| 00:15.02 | karsten | deadline_: It frequently but not always does. |
| 00:15.14 | karsten | streuner: It's been known to shoot blanks for me. |
| 00:15.36 | deadline_ | streuner: i have a problem with a 3ware raid controller. debian doesnt see the harddrives |
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| 00:16.25 | streuner | deadline: check out debian-isp ML |
| 00:16.28 | deadline_ | streuner: running 2.6.12-1-k7-smp kernel |
| 00:16.41 | streuner | deadline: they have an archive, IIRC |
| 00:16.42 | deadline_ | debian-isp ML ??? |
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| 00:16.52 | streuner | deadline: mailing-list |
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| 00:16.57 | deadline_ | ok |
| 00:17.11 | streuner | they swear about 3ware |
| 00:17.42 | deadline_ | and in your opinion its hard to get 3ware running under debian? |
| 00:17.44 | CompWizrd | i found out today a 3ware 9550SX-4lp won't fit in the tyan barebones server i wanted |
| 00:17.50 | deadline_ | or you dont know? |
| 00:17.51 | streuner | no |
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| 00:18.18 | streuner | 3ware seems to be well supported according to debian-isp ML |
| 00:18.35 | deadline_ | ok |
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| 00:18.49 | CompWizrd | so i'm back to finding a pci-x capable machine with dual cpu/core, and fits 4 raptor 150 gig drives in hotswap trays. |
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| 00:20.06 | btn | Is there a curses based prog for linux akin to dstumbler? |
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| 00:22.24 | khermans | Anyone know how to convert video to mp4 for the new iPods? |
| 00:22.47 | karsten | khermans: kino? |
| 00:22.48 | Azar | lsof would not recognize any port ... what am I doing wrong? lsof -i 80 gives : unknown protocol name |
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| 00:23.38 | karsten | CompWizrd: 3ware makes some small profile cards, you might also need riser boards, not sure of the specific geometry you've got. |
| 00:24.34 | khermans | karsten, i dont think Kino will do that |
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| 00:25.34 | CompWizrd | karsten: the 9500 and 9550 are too long, it's not the profile that's the problem. the 95x0 have the SATA ports on the end of the card, so it interferes with the heatsink |
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| 00:25.46 | syst | Azar you are giving lsof the port number instead of protocol |
| 00:25.53 | karsten | khermans: Hence the '?'. It's the one video tool I'm aware of, I think it front-ends for a number of encoders similar to what grip does for audio. |
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| 00:26.11 | syst | Azar: try lsof -i tcp:80, for 80 port status |
| 00:26.35 | karsten | CompWizrd: It's been about 3 years since I've use 3Ware. Most sources suggest that kernel software raid offers most of the same benefits, and the cards are much smaller. |
| 00:26.46 | zeballin3 | I've upgraded from testing to sid. Here is my source.lst. http://pastebin.com/492644 Should all lines in it be changed to 'unstable' (sid) so I get security updates? |
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| 00:27.01 | Elive_user | lo guys, I'would like to reinstall grub in my MBR, but when I try to run grub-install /dev/hda , from a knopix live cd, it tell me : /sbin/grub-install: line 485: /dev/null: Permission non accordée and The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly . What could I do? |
| 00:27.29 | beardy | btn: dstumbler is and does what? |
| 00:27.45 | karsten | beardy: It's a web thing. Firefox plugin, I think |
| 00:27.51 | btn | part of bsd-airtools |
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| 00:28.11 | btn | like netstumbler but curses based |
| 00:28.24 | karsten | beardy: Ah, no, wifi network scanner. GIYF. |
| 00:28.35 | lekvar | Gentlmen, ladies, your considered opinions if you please -- I'm having all sorts of trouble getting 16 bit pcmcia network cards working right on an old thinkpad with late kernels... Would a 32 bit cardbus model be likely to be any different? |
| 00:29.03 | karsten | lekvar: If the HW's old enough you can't *use* a 32 bit card, it won't fit the slot. |
| 00:29.43 | lekvar | karsten: I think the Thinkpad 600e will take them. Lemme 2x check ThinkWiki. Heck what I'd like to know is whether a later model would play better and replace this one, which seems to be a complete PITA |
| 00:29.43 | Azar | syst, thanks |
| 00:31.05 | syst | np |
| 00:31.07 | lekvar | karsten: Right now I have one pcmcia card which kinda works, but the dongle is worn and I keep losing link, and another dongle-less one which doesn't work at all with later kernels |
| 00:31.07 | gbis | what happened to the experimental branch? |
| 00:31.13 | gbis | I'm getting 404's |
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| 00:31.15 | karsten | lekvar: I've had reasonably good luck with one of the 16 bit NICs, forget which. Another which didn't work turned out to be defective. |
| 00:31.16 | lekvar | karsten: Does this sound right? "The CardBus slot is a 32bit PC Card slot, that is backwards compatible with the older 16-bit PCMCIA standard.".... |
| 00:31.18 | azeem | gbis: did you apt-get update? |
| 00:31.24 | gbis | azeem: yes |
| 00:31.41 | karsten | lekvar: Check IBM's site, it's very good for specs on even *VERY* old (eg: 15 year) consumer equipment. |
| 00:31.48 | lekvar | karsten: yea the problems I'm having, aside from the loosening dongle, seem to depend on whether I'm trying to use pcmcia-cs or pcmciautils |
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| 00:32.13 | karsten | lekvar: Latter's what I've typically used. |
| 00:32.13 | lekvar | karsten: I've got a 760e also but the keyboard is shot |
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| 00:33.32 | lekvar | karsten: I purged pcmcia-cs, couldn't get the card activated without it, so reinstalled pcmcia-cs, disabled the init.d script for it, and now manuall run and stop it on boot to activate the card. |
| 00:33.56 | lekvar | Maybe it's time to just go find a t23 |
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| 00:34.05 | karsten | lekvar: ... which works or doesn't? The init.d script *should* work. |
| 00:34.11 | karsten | lekvar: ... and if it doesn't bug it. |
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| 00:34.39 | CompWizrd | i use a t23 at work, p3/1.2, 512m, 60 gig 7200 rpm drive |
| 00:34.44 | CompWizrd | works quite nicely in both linux and winxp |
| 00:34.55 | Amarande | okay, I think I need to figure out you folks' secret. |
| 00:35.01 | Amarande | we have 755 people here right now. |
| 00:35.09 | Amarande | there are only two ops, both of them bots, as far as I know. |
| 00:35.10 | lkjlkjlkj | gbis, 404s sometimes happen between when the index files are uploaded and when the rest of the archive makes it to your mirror ... try a little later |
| 00:35.14 | lekvar | karsten: saying /etc/init.d/pcmcia start works, but the whole thing (cardmgr) is allegedly deprecated so I shouldn't need to use it at all. In fact the boot messages tell me this "pcmcia: Detected deprecated PCMCIA ioctl usage" "pcmcia: This interface will soon be removed from the kernel; please expect break |
| 00:35.15 | Amarande | we practically never have to moderate the channel here. |
| 00:35.20 | lekvar | karsten: >> age unless you upgrade to new tools" |
| 00:35.28 | Amarande | on the other hand, there is this channel I go to that has only about 115 users, and they constantly have to ban users and moderate. |
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| 00:35.41 | Azar | syst, yet I am trying to apply this instructions and is not working ok: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/184 |
| 00:35.46 | soymilk_ | this is a kind of out-there question - but does anyone have any idea if there is something like IANA reserved names for executables - for example - names of executables that should be reserved for personal use - such as a script called "connect", or "search", or something like that? |
| 00:35.55 | Azar | oh root |
| 00:36.01 | Amarande | It seems that by the 'temperature' argument lilo was fond of, this is generally a bad thing. :> |
| 00:36.29 | gbis | lkjlkjlkj: been trying, I will try again in an hour, thx |
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| 00:36.37 | chealer_ | Amarande: there *are* bans here. just visit a sunday :) |
| 00:36.49 | Azar | got it :) thanks |
| 00:37.10 | bbrazil | Amarande: most people are just lurking. there's usually a few bans per day |
| 00:37.12 | Amarande | chealer_: I mean, this other channel usually bans four or five people at least every hour |
| 00:37.22 | Amarande | and usually goes +m about four or five times a day at least |
| 00:37.30 | syst | Azar: lets see, what exactly? |
| 00:37.41 | Amarande | and they have about ... 600 fewer users on average than us. |
| 00:37.42 | chealer_ | Amarande: hum, that's a lot. freenode? |
| 00:37.47 | Amarande | chealer: gamesurge |
| 00:37.54 | lkjlkjlkj | or is that 600 fewer bots ... |
| 00:37.55 | chealer_ | Amarande: ah |
| 00:37.59 | karsten | lekvar: ... I'm probably the wrong person to take as gospel here. I've typically used what you're mentioning here. Deprecations are sometimes ambitious attempts at preemptive change. |
| 00:38.09 | Amarande | actually, if we go by the lilo temperature argument |
| 00:38.09 | azeem | Amarande: there are other ops besides the bots |
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| 00:38.15 | syst | Azar: i see you got it somehow, what was not clear? |
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| 00:38.25 | Amarande | the channel mode +m should probably be removed from ircd entirely |
| 00:38.26 | saul_ | hi |
| 00:38.32 | bbrazil | Amarande: no, its needed |
| 00:38.34 | Amarande | moderation necessarily annoys users and raises the channel temperature |
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| 00:39.07 | saul_ | hi |
| 00:39.11 | Amarande | azeem: but they don't need to show themselves particularly often :> |
| 00:39.41 | lekvar | karsten: Sarge seemed to work okay but installers for etch never set up the interface properly, so I installed sarge and upgraded straight to sid. Still lots of issues but I can at least manage to avoid irq storms |
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| 00:39.44 | bbrazil | Amarande: /msg dpkg kingsley <-- check the link in that |
| 00:39.56 | saul_ | i have a question about knoppix 4.0 |
| 00:40.19 | Amarande | bbrazil: what positive purpose does the +m mode have? most of the time i've seen it used, it's used as a retaliatory measure |
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| 00:40.44 | chealer_ | saul_: you are on the wrong channel |
| 00:40.49 | rbd | if I'm running testing, how can I use apt-cache (or some other tool, in place of packages.debian.org) to query if a certain package is on debian stable (and what version it is at)? |
| 00:40.54 | saul_ | yes |
| 00:40.58 | saul_ | sorry |
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| 00:41.16 | saul_ | hi |
| 00:41.17 | chealer_ | rbd: you will need stable sources |
| 00:41.29 | astronut | after a reboot, my x has broken. It starts to load gdm, but only puts up a gray screen with a white rectangle where the input box is, and then locks up. I can use mouse, but can't go to another term, killing doesn't change monitor, etc. |
| 00:41.37 | bbrazil | Amarande: well first places where you're just watching a discussion - I think #freenode uses this (i.e. always +m). then there's to stop spam until you can get a ban in place - which happens here every now and then |
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| 00:42.15 | bbrazil | rbd: apt-cache show maybe? |
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| 00:42.32 | astronut | something in log about "Cannot read V_BIOS", but it's hdiden |
| 00:42.37 | bbrazil | rbd: or is it apt-cache policy. you could also browse a mirror |
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| 00:43.14 | bbrazil | rbd: or given that p.d.o is down just give me the name and I'll check for you |
| 00:44.33 | Amarande | bbrazil: I've just seen all too many channels where ops set it +m on whims and leave it that way for long periods even after any offending users have left or been banned. It kinda sours my opinion of the mode, and makes me think that it only belongs on speciality networks like, well, freenode perhaps. |
| 00:44.48 | row | If sed will never alter the orig file, how would I get it to write all the files lets say to a different dir with all the same filenames? |
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| 00:45.54 | Amarande | In any case, as for the 'watching a discussion' argument, that has its flaws, too. Unless you've got a simple arrangement such as one on one debate, it necessarily means that it has to be decided whether people do or do not get to discuss. Such decisions are extremely delicate when it comes to not raising the channel temperature. |
| 00:46.01 | bbrazil | Amarande: it has its uses, and is so ingranied in irc now that it won't go away |
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| 00:46.25 | row | got the syntax |
| 00:46.26 | row | nm |
| 00:46.42 | CompWizrd | +z annoys me even more than +m.. you don't even know the text you're typing isn't being seen by anyone but the operators |
| 00:46.48 | bbrazil | row: for i in *; do sed -e 'blah' "$i" > t/"$i"; done |
| 00:46.55 | bbrazil | row: see also: sed -i |
| 00:47.20 | Amarande | +z ... I'm not sure I've seen that mode used |
| 00:47.23 | Amarande | Is that a freenode specific mode? |
| 00:47.46 | bbrazil | only link I have says only let people using SSL on the channel |
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| 00:48.52 | deadline_ | whats the right option for fakeroot make-kpkg with initrd (compiling kernel) |
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| 00:49.03 | deadline_ | --initrd ? |
| 00:49.43 | CompWizrd | Amarande: yes |
| 00:49.52 | resiak | !kp mantra |
| 00:49.52 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image |
| 00:49.54 | resiak | Huh |
| 00:50.37 | resiak | !kp mantra =~ s/s_image/s_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 00:50.41 | resiak | !kp mantra =~ s/s_image/s_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd./ |
| 00:50.41 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 00:50.48 | deadline_ | k thanks |
| 00:51.11 | lekvar | karsten: May I ask what you're running on which kinds of laptop machines, and how it's working out? |
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| 00:51.47 | Amarande | It also makes me wonder from a positive-thinking standpoint just how much IRC has really evolved since the late 90s. |
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| 00:52.08 | Amarande | It seems that we come up with all kinds of new coding to restrict various abuses, but comparatively little that actually provides things of a positive use. |
| 00:52.43 | curt | apt-get GPG error missing public key |
| 00:52.51 | Amarande | Certainly the primary objective of a community should always be to as much as possible encourage positive actions, and preventing negatives should be only secondary, right? |
| 00:52.53 | bbrazil | !topicsmite curt |
| 00:52.53 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon curt. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:52.58 | curt | oooo |
| 00:53.05 | curt | hehe |
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| 00:54.37 | ericw | hello |
| 00:54.39 | curt | bbrazil, thanks... |
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| 00:54.51 | ericw | I assume that the amd64 installer will work fine on EM64T machines? |
| 00:54.58 | nas | where is a good place to put startup scripts |
| 00:55.03 | bbrazil | ericw: yip |
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| 00:55.09 | bbrazil | nas: /etc/init.d |
| 00:55.18 | ericw | how good is debian's multilib support now? better? |
| 00:55.25 | nas | if i put a symlink in rc5.d and point it to a script will it automatically get executed at startup |
| 00:55.29 | bbrazil | nas: see also update-rc.d |
| 00:55.38 | benjamindees | nas, in runlevel 5 |
| 00:55.41 | bbrazil | nas: default runlevel is 2 on debian |
| 00:55.49 | ericw | I remember when I first tried debian on amd64 and it wasn't too hot (but that was a while ago). I tried gentoo, it sucked less.. and fedora was great, but well.. redhat |
| 00:55.52 | nas | oh shit |
| 00:55.57 | nas | lol i forgot |
| 00:56.00 | ericw | (and I say that as a big debian fan) |
| 00:56.13 | nas | thanks bbrazil |
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| 00:56.30 | bbrazil | ericw: I'm using it here on a dell pe1800 - seems fine, found 2 broken packages so far (both games) |
| 00:56.50 | bbrazil | ericw: maybe try #debian-amd64? they'd probably know more about it |
| 00:56.51 | ericw | bbrazil, I'm worried about 32-bit app compatability. |
| 00:56.55 | ericw | bbrazil, thanks. |
| 00:57.01 | syst | night |
| 00:57.15 | bbrazil | ericw: ah that :) debbootstrap to provide a 32bit chroot works. |
| 00:57.29 | ericw | bbrazil, uh, thats not what I'm looking for. |
| 00:57.52 | ericw | bbrazil, I want to run 32bit binaries without worrying or caring about a 32bit chroot. |
| 00:57.55 | bbrazil | ericw: there's also some 32bit libraries for compatability |
| 00:58.08 | bbrazil | ericw: I think the advice then is to run 32bit |
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| 00:58.18 | nas | so the number in the symlink is the order in whihch it is executed? |
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| 00:58.27 | bbrazil | nas: pretty much |
| 00:58.28 | benjamindees | I'm wondering is there a file dialog (gtk/kde/etc) that supports limiting the user to viewing and selecting from a specific directory or diirectories? |
| 00:58.31 | ericw | bbrazil, not good advice. when you have 4 gigs of ram, its worth running 64 |
| 00:58.31 | nas | is there a special number i should be using? |
| 00:58.40 | CptS | hi, where can i find a wma codec? |
| 00:58.56 | ericw | bbrazil, I found fedora very good with 32-bit apps, it includes a lot of 32-bit libraries for compat. |
| 00:59.04 | bbrazil | ericw: unless you have some app that needs over 2G of RAM, 32bit won't be too bad |
| 00:59.14 | ericw | bbrazil, I need as much memory as possible. |
| 00:59.16 | benjamindees | !tell CptS about marillat |
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| 00:59.41 | ericw | and I certainly paid enough for it :P |
| 00:59.42 | Amarande | benjamindees: i'm assuming putting the user in jail isn't going to work in your case |
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| 00:59.56 | stew | i have a debootstrap addiction. i'm making my 6th chroot on this box |
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| 01:00.03 | bbrazil | ericw: there are libraries, I haven't tried them with anything yet. I'd say talk to the guys in #debian-amd64, or search the debian-amd64 mailing list |
| 01:00.07 | benjamindees | Amarande, not really, because I want to hide files that the app needs |
| 01:00.21 | bbrazil | stew: how deeply nested though? |
| 01:00.31 | stew | heh, not nested |
| 01:00.32 | octoberdan | oi... When I first installed Debian I accidentally told it that I was using a non-GMT hardware clock... and now things freak out when I boot up... The "superblock last mount time is in the future" part lead me to believe there was a connection between the two... How should I approach this? |
| 01:00.46 | tuxkiller | re |
| 01:01.13 | bbrazil | octoberdan: /etc/default/rcS |
| 01:01.21 | benjamindees | stew, have you done uwoody yet? |
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| 01:01.55 | ericw | bbrazil, I must admit, I don't know if any of my users are using binaries, but I don't wanna get stuck because of it. |
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| 01:02.25 | octoberdan | bbrazil: I'll give it a try... |
| 01:02.37 | stew | octoberdan: what version of debian? you might be seeing this bug: #342887 |
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| 01:02.58 | stew | benjamindees: he, no woody, just 32+64 bit versions of etch and sid and breezy |
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| 01:03.07 | bbrazil | ericw: they'll probably might have to recompile some binaries, but I don't really know. you're better off asking someone else |
| 01:03.17 | octoberdan | It's up and running :-D ! |
| 01:03.23 | octoberdan | bbrazil: Thanks! |
| 01:03.30 | ericw | bbrazil, I know. I've already inquired in -amd64 |
| 01:03.31 | bbrazil | octoberdan: no problem |
| 01:03.39 | ericw | bbrazil, I'm just chatting at this point :P |
| 01:04.02 | bbrazil | ericw: ah, what do they say? I'll probably be hitting this myself in a week or two |
| 01:04.39 | ericw | bbrazil, they said, '\0' :) |
| 01:04.44 | ericw | (nothing) |
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| 01:05.19 | bbrazil | ericw: null terminated strings? possible buffer overrun there :) |
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| 01:05.47 | octoberdan | My linksys router is running linux. I'm so proud! |
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| 01:06.14 | sciboy | Hey guys, how do i hold a package so it doesn't upgrade when i dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:06.20 | bbrazil | !hold |
| 01:06.20 | dpkg | i heard hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold. |
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| 01:06.47 | ericw | bbrazil, null terminated strings aren't a problem, not checking your bounds is. |
| 01:07.28 | bbrazil | !hold ~= s/dselect/& or aptitude/ |
| 01:07.47 | bbrazil | I hate doing this... |
| 01:07.48 | CptS | !tell CptS about marillat |
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| 01:08.26 | deadline_ | !tell deadline_to go to sleep |
| 01:08.32 | treyh0 | during the install of a recent etch from netinstall, the tasksel presented me the option of "Standard System" or something similar... but when I run tasksel in the newly booted system, I don't see that option... is there a way to install the "Standard" Debian system packages after the initial install? |
| 01:08.35 | CptS | thank you benjamindees! i was looking everywhere for it. :) |
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| 01:08.42 | sciboy | Oh, and how can i override xserver-xorg from conflicting with nvidia-glx? |
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| 01:09.17 | sciboy | !conflict |
| 01:09.21 | SimonRaven | sciboy: stick both on hold |
| 01:09.24 | octoberdan | I'm doing a package upgrade of a box with a fresh install of debian on it. It's asking me if I want to keep '/etc/modprobe.d/isapnp' or replace it with the "package maintainer's version..." |
| 01:09.36 | Agrajag- | g'day. what documentation should i be reading to find out how to setup an autoreply 'im on holiday' message? does exim take care of this? |
| 01:09.37 | astronut | wtf is with screen? |
| 01:09.41 | astronut | it starts to lock up a window |
| 01:09.53 | SimonRaven | octoberdan: replace it won't hurt, unless you edited it |
| 01:09.54 | astronut | weird |
| 01:10.06 | SimonRaven | octoberdan: FYI, dpkg is the app asking you that |
| 01:10.10 | Stevie | ericw: Bounds checking? I don't need no steenking bounds checking! I love my gets! |
| 01:10.11 | dondelelcaro | Agrajag-: it doesn't. Use procmail with vacation. |
| 01:10.24 | sciboy | SimonRaven, No i mean i want to upgrade xserver-xorg, but the conflict won't allow me to. |
| 01:10.24 | CptS | how do i add wma/asf support to xmms? |
| 01:10.26 | Agrajag- | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:10.39 | dondelelcaro | Agrajag-: however, be aware that such autoreplies are really, really, really annoying. If anyone cares, they'll already know that you're on vacation. |
| 01:10.43 | octoberdan | SimonRaven: Oh alright, thank you. |
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| 01:11.03 | sciboy | SimonRaven, Without uninstalling nvidia-glx. =/ |
| 01:11.11 | SimonRaven | sciboy: don't, it'll break. |
| 01:11.15 | bbrazil | !frozen screen |
| 01:11.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, frozen screen is http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~bbrazil/matrix/random.html#fix-freezed-screen |
| 01:11.18 | sciboy | SimonRaven, It won't. |
| 01:11.20 | Stevie | char *read_md5(void) { static char buf[10]; puts("please enter an md5 hash value"); gets(buf); return buf; } |
| 01:11.24 | bbrazil | astronut: ^^ |
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| 01:11.24 | sciboy | SimonRaven, Its working perfectly. |
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| 01:11.55 | SimonRaven | not that way... |
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| 01:12.16 | Agrajag- | dondelelcaro: yes i'm aware of that.. it's for a manager here, not me :) |
| 01:12.24 | Agrajag- | i do what i'm told |
| 01:12.40 | sciboy | SimonRaven, I forced installation by editing /var/lib/dpkg/status and i've had absolutely no problems, i don't know why after all this time the maintainer decided to through in this conflict. |
| 01:12.59 | bbrazil | Agrajag-: see package 'vacation' |
| 01:13.02 | SimonRaven | because it should be there, that's why |
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| 01:13.43 | Stevie | ln -s /bin/vacation /bin/true |
| 01:13.50 | Stevie | err |
| 01:13.52 | Stevie | ln -s /bin/true /bin/vacation |
| 01:13.57 | bbrazil | Stevie: -sf |
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| 01:14.04 | SimonRaven | at least until nvidia-glx gets fixed up, which it is |
| 01:14.06 | Stevie | f? |
| 01:14.12 | bbrazil | Stevie: force - overwrite |
| 01:14.15 | Stevie | ah |
| 01:14.21 | sciboy | SimonRaven, It's never been broken for me. =| |
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| 01:14.37 | bbrazil | Stevie: its appropriate that its linked to 'do nothing, succesfully' ;) |
| 01:14.42 | SimonRaven | it's very broken ;) |
| 01:14.49 | sciboy | SimonRaven, NOT FOR ME. |
| 01:14.52 | Stevie | bbrazil: That sort of thing would certainly help cut down on the number of mailing list messages I receive that are vacation notices |
| 01:14.55 | sciboy | SimonRaven, I'm still using 7174. |
| 01:15.05 | SimonRaven | never mind, you're not getting it |
| 01:16.11 | treyh0 | guess i gotta reinstall with today's ISO |
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| 01:16.57 | treyh0 | etch |
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| 01:17.00 | treyh0 | netinst |
| 01:17.01 | Stevie | there are a zillion different ISO standards |
| 01:17.04 | Stevie | ISO 900 |
| 01:17.06 | Stevie | ISO 9000 |
| 01:17.07 | treyh0 | 9660 |
| 01:17.08 | Stevie | ISO 15693 |
| 01:17.12 | Stevie | ISO 9660, yes |
| 01:17.15 | Stevie | ISO 7816 |
| 01:17.23 | treyh0 | how about 8859-1 |
| 01:17.26 | CompWizrd | QS9000 |
| 01:17.27 | jordan__ | is there any issue with setting reserved space for root to 0% on a storage drive? |
| 01:17.30 | Stevie | yes, ISO-8859-1 |
| 01:17.31 | bbrazil | Stevie: 1,000,000,000,000,000 |
| 01:17.43 | bbrazil | jordan__: you can do it |
| 01:17.47 | Stevie | of all those things |
| 01:17.55 | SimonRaven | ffs, don't give us the fricking list please |
| 01:18.07 | bbrazil | jordan__: if the drive gets very full though (and its a system drive) you're system could have problems |
| 01:18.12 | Stevie | we chose "an ISO" to mean an ISO-9660 filesystem image |
| 01:18.15 | jordan__ | bbrazil: on a storage drive is the extra space needed for logging or anything as it is on / |
| 01:18.32 | bbrazil | jordan__: what it is (by default) is blocks that only root can use |
| 01:18.34 | Stevie | it's like of all the words that begin with the letter F, the one we all refer to as "the F word" |
| 01:18.46 | bbrazil | jordan__: there's also fragmentation issues with a full fs |
| 01:19.03 | treyh0 | those who had been paying attention saw me ask about the etch netinst image, so they would have figured ISO meant image for CD, but i don't blame anyone for not paying attention ;-) |
| 01:19.07 | bbrazil | Stevie: I suggest listening to the relevant monty python scetch |
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| 01:19.21 | Stevie | which one is that? |
| 01:19.23 | jordan__ | ok thanks |
| 01:19.26 | SimonRaven | Stevie: only because it's a buncha puritans who won't say it no matter what |
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| 01:19.59 | SimonRaven | oh FYI, don't upgrade sid today. postfix, and some other stuff is FUBAR |
| 01:19.59 | asg | SimonRaven: it's the second most useful word in the English language. People should remember that. |
| 01:20.12 | Stevie | which one is the first? |
| 01:20.13 | bbrazil | Stevie: 'The F word' I believe |
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| 01:20.17 | SimonRaven | uh hunh |
| 01:20.20 | asg | Stevie: 'Ok' |
| 01:20.21 | SimonRaven | after 'e' |
| 01:20.24 | SimonRaven | :P |
| 01:20.35 | Stevie | except after 'c' |
| 01:20.53 | Stevie | I before thee, uhh, except after C... |
| 01:21.16 | Stevie | my picdem2 has shipped! yay |
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| 01:21.23 | bbrazil | Stevie: http://www.sigg3.net/myself/fuck.html |
| 01:21.31 | bbrazil | (possibly NSFW) |
| 01:21.34 | SimonRaven | thally thells thea thells by the thea thore |
| 01:21.45 | Stevie | nsfw? |
| 01:21.48 | asg | SimonRaven: does thally have a lisp? |
| 01:21.49 | Stevie | north south feast and west? |
| 01:21.52 | bbrazil | Stevie: Not Safe For Work |
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| 01:21.55 | Stevie | oh |
| 01:22.04 | Stevie | ah |
| 01:22.07 | SimonRaven | asg: yeth, the doeth |
| 01:22.10 | Stevie | bbrazil: I have that in an mp3 file |
| 01:22.23 | asg | SimonRaven: ah, or a boden nothe |
| 01:22.47 | Stevie | if you notice, the line I stated is taken almost directly from it |
| 01:22.51 | SimonRaven | no, jutht a lithp |
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| 01:23.20 | Stevie | if you program in lithp do you have to use parenthethethe? |
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| 01:23.31 | SimonRaven | yeth |
| 01:23.37 | bbrazil | Stevie: you're just vi-ing for trouble |
| 01:23.46 | asg | SimonRaven: (yeth(ofcourth)) |
| 01:23.58 | Stevie | (yeth((of)courth)) |
| 01:23.59 | SimonRaven | Stevie: you just were waiting to pop that one out, eh? |
| 01:24.15 | Stevie | SimonRaven: Not really, but you gave me the perfect setup |
| 01:24.18 | SimonRaven | *groan^2* |
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| 01:24.30 | Stevie | err |
| 01:24.31 | Stevie | thetup |
| 01:24.35 | resiak | Right, so. I start x with startx -- -dpi 96. Sure enough, xfce's panel and menu seem to obey that. We're cool. But, magically, every other Gtk2 app I launch seems to think I have some horrendously large DPI figure and show me enormous fonts to compensate. If anyone can figure out how I can get everything to face the reality of 96dpi, i'd be very, very grateful. |
| 01:25.09 | Stevie | I'm wondering why your system doesn't think 96dpi is normal reality, since that's kinda the norm everywhere |
| 01:25.14 | SimonRaven | yeh, it figureth it'll run the 100 dpi fonths |
| 01:25.15 | Eulex | resiak, set the font in the user interface settings. |
| 01:25.23 | Coweater | resiak: xdpyinfo|grep resolution, what's it say? |
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| 01:26.02 | resiak | Eulex: No, that doesn't help, because it just scales things. Doesn't fix what each app believes. |
| 01:26.06 | SimonRaven | ok, i'll thtop now |
| 01:26.26 | resiak | Coweater: resolution: 96x96 dots per inch, as expected. |
| 01:26.31 | Nihilanth | the codename for testing is 'etch' right? |
| 01:26.31 | Eulex | resiak, hmm, ok... so some apps believe one thing and other apps believe another? |
| 01:26.33 | rethiak | SimonRaven: Why? |
| 01:26.35 | Eulex | Nihilanth, yes |
| 01:26.39 | Nihilanth | ok |
| 01:26.41 | Nihilanth | thank you |
| 01:26.56 | rethiak | Eulex: Every app apart from (afaict) XFce4's session manager, panel and root menu |
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| 01:27.34 | Coweater | rethiak: you can try adding "Xft.dpi: 96" to your Xresources |
| 01:27.46 | rethiak | Coweater: ! a plan and a half! |
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| 01:28.47 | CptS | hi again! which pkg contains a "jdbc" driver for mysql? |
| 01:28.54 | rethiak | Coweater: No joy, sadly. |
| 01:29.23 | asg | CptS: libmysql-java |
| 01:29.33 | SimonRaven | rethiak: becauthe the appth think they thhould be running at 96 dpi |
| 01:29.45 | CptS | asg: thanks. |
| 01:30.05 | SiN | can anybody help me... when i tryin' to ./configure VyQChat it says me "configure: error: "Qt library is required to compile VyQChat!" |
| 01:30.06 | SiN | " what i need to do??? |
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| 01:30.19 | _rene_ | install the qt libs? (and headers) |
| 01:30.25 | asg | SimonRaven: /msg dpkg compile kde stuff |
| 01:30.26 | asg | bah |
| 01:30.30 | asg | SimonRaven: /msg dpkg compile kde stuff |
| 01:30.44 | asg | SiN: /msg dpkg compile kde stuff |
| 01:30.45 | CptS | asg: no such library... |
| 01:30.55 | SiN | thanx |
| 01:30.56 | rethiak | SimonRaven: I _want_ them to run at 96dpi... |
| 01:31.08 | asg | CptS: it might be a sid/etch only thing. Either way, you could just download one from the mysql site |
| 01:31.25 | rethiak | ThimonRaven: unleth you can ecthplain to me how to not make my fontth thtupidly big... |
| 01:31.25 | asg | !info libmysql-java etch |
| 01:31.30 | vinay | given a cd placed in /dev/hdc , how can i find out how many blocks it has? |
| 01:31.34 | dpkg | libmysql-java: (Java database (JDBC) driver for MySQL), section libs, is optional. Version: 3.1.11-1 (etch), Packaged size: 484 kB, Installed size: 552 kB |
| 01:31.40 | SimonRaven | great, now you fucked my terminal |
| 01:31.42 | asg | !info libmysql-java sarge |
| 01:31.43 | LostFrog | note to self: don't send out routers with broken VPN configurations. |
| 01:31.54 | dpkg | libmysql-java: (Java database (JDBC) driver for MySQL), section libs, is optional. Version: 3.1.7-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 466 kB, Installed size: 692 kB |
| 01:31.57 | rethiak | ThimonRaven: What did _I_ do?! |
| 01:32.04 | asg | CptS: what debian version are you using? |
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| 01:32.41 | asg | rethiak: I love big fonth and I justht can't lie |
| 01:33.04 | rethiak | athg: Baby got pointth? |
| 01:33.43 | asg | rethiak: to take you mind ofth pthings, you thud write a lithp(6) filter. |
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| 01:33.56 | rethiak | http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/Screenshots/font-borkage.png for the contrast between the panel (sanity; fonts look (and are) the same size as they are on my laptop's internal screen) and Galeon. |
| 01:34.00 | CptS | asg: unstable |
| 01:34.11 | asg | !info libmysql-java sid |
| 01:34.15 | SimonRaven | well, i *am8 stuck in a crappy term untill xterm gets workie again (konsole) |
| 01:34.22 | SimonRaven | s/8/*/ |
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| 01:34.43 | _rene_ | asg: same version as etch |
| 01:34.55 | asg | _rene_: yeah but CptS claims he doesn't have it |
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| 01:36.05 | _rene_ | then he does sth wrong, it's there |
| 01:36.12 | dpkg | libmysql-java: (Java database (JDBC) driver for MySQL), section libs, is optional. Version: 3.1.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 484 kB, Installed size: 552 kB |
| 01:36.18 | asg | \o/ |
| 01:36.25 | asg | CptS: ^^ |
| 01:37.08 | SimonRaven | he doethn't know about apt-cache thearch then |
| 01:37.25 | dondelelcaro | can someone who runs an MTA other than sendmail run a test for me? I'm trying to see if it's normal for message/rfc822 MIME attachments with From; entries to be ripped out. |
| 01:37.30 | CptS | asg: sorry.. was googling for it.. |
| 01:37.38 | CptS | !info libmysql-java sid |
| 01:37.42 | dpkg | libmysql-java: (Java database (JDBC) driver for MySQL), section libs, is optional. Version: 3.1.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 484 kB, Installed size: 552 kB |
| 01:37.44 | asg | dondelelcaro: I'm running exim, what do you need |
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| 01:38.18 | dondelelcaro | basically, wget -O- http://donbugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=7;msg=222;mbox=yes|sed 's/^>From/From/'|/usr/lib/sendmail yourlocalaccount; |
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| 01:38.49 | dondelelcaro | asg: then check to make sure that the mail that you received has the From headers in the attached message present instead of stripped. |
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| 01:40.31 | asg | dondelelcaro: it stripped them here. All I had was a blank message body. |
| 01:40.41 | ubarjames | hi. where can I learn the names of the kernel modules I've selected using menuconfig when I actually want to use them? |
| 01:41.21 | asg | ubarjames: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 01:41.34 | dondelelcaro | asg: ok... |
| 01:41.43 | dondelelcaro | asg: at least it's not just sendmail |
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| 01:43.02 | ubarjames | I've compiled the cpufreq stuff into the kernel and the differnet governors as modules, how can I select one of those governors now? |
| 01:43.08 | asg | dondelelcaro: *nod* |
| 01:43.18 | karsten | dondelelcaro: *wink* |
| 01:43.29 | _rene_ | ubarjames: via sysfs. |
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| 01:43.50 | ubarjames | amazing |
| 01:43.59 | asg | karsten: *nudge* |
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| 01:44.13 | ubarjames | I do not need to load the modules I don't know the names of? |
| 01:44.14 | dondelelcaro | "know what I mean?" |
| 01:44.15 | karsten | asg: *tickle* |
| 01:44.19 | ubarjames | that's fantastic |
| 01:44.27 | ubarjames | thanks |
| 01:44.29 | karsten | asg: ... knowhatimean, knowatimean? |
| 01:44.33 | _rene_ | of course you need them |
| 01:44.38 | _rene_ | the names are pretty obvious |
| 01:44.45 | Woosta | Anyone know how to force OOo to open tab-separated-text in oocalc rather than oowrite? |
| 01:44.48 | asg | karsten: tcl is horrendous ;) |
| 01:45.03 | _rene_ | you ask about setting which one you want |
| 01:45.07 | SimonRaven | dondelelcaro: worked here AFAICT |
| 01:45.09 | _rene_ | which is done via sysfs |
| 01:45.15 | _rene_ | Woosta: is it named .csv? |
| 01:45.17 | ubarjames | _rene_, haha thanks for the obvious tip |
| 01:45.38 | karsten | asg: Yeah, it gives me a horrible Tk. |
| 01:45.38 | ubarjames | I'm used to cryptic stuff |
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| 01:45.45 | _rene_ | ubarjames: well, *you* did ask |
| 01:45.47 | Woosta | _rene_: this is linux .. extensions don't matter .. much .. I'll try that though .. and then punch OOo in the face :) |
| 01:45.50 | asg | karsten: hah |
| 01:46.08 | _rene_ | ubarjames: come on, the variable is so easy to find in /sys.... |
| 01:46.31 | SimonRaven | wget -O- 'http://donbugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=7;msg=222;mbox=yes' | sed 's/^>From/From/' | /usr/lib/sendmail myaccount@onanother.box; though |
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| 01:47.18 | ubarjames | _rene_, /sys/module/cpufreq_conservative/ |
| 01:47.19 | _rene_ | ubarjames: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 01:47.23 | ubarjames | ok |
| 01:47.25 | ubarjames | :) |
| 01:47.33 | _rene_ | ubarjames: echo the wanted one into there |
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| 01:47.37 | Nihilanth | can you have both stable and testing repositories at the same time? Will it cause problems? I want to be able to get some stable packages that arent available in the testing repositories. Will it automatically grab the newer version? |
| 01:47.43 | rethiak | Don't do that. |
| 01:47.46 | _rene_ | Nihilanth: yes. yes. |
| 01:47.47 | rethiak | !bobbit |
| 01:47.49 | rethiak | !bobbitt |
| 01:47.49 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 01:47.50 | asg | Nihilanth: /msg dpkg backports |
| 01:47.56 | Nihilanth | heh |
| 01:48.00 | _rene_ | Nihilanth: err. |
| 01:48.00 | asg | !englund |
| 01:48.00 | dpkg | Remember Lyndie Englund? Remember what she did to the Iraqis at Abu Ghraib? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your sarge, you get the same result. |
| 01:48.04 | Nihilanth | big ol cluster of questions |
| 01:48.04 | _rene_ | Nihilanth: yes. yes. yes. |
| 01:48.26 | Nihilanth | _rene_: alright, thanks |
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| 01:48.35 | karsten | Nihilanth: Use a hairdryer and toaster in the shower. It's a quicker death. |
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| 01:48.37 | mfrisch | I cannot access my vt consoles anymore after an update using unstable. Is there new settings for gdm or X?? |
| 01:48.38 | gpm | hey guys. i just dist-upgraded...installing the latest stock debian kernel (2.6.15) and for some reason syslogd takes FOREVER to start up and restart. any clues? should i file a bug under the kernel or syslog? i don't believe i updated the syslog in the upgrade |
| 01:48.49 | ubarjames | _rene_, errrr, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/ is empty :( |
| 01:48.55 | karsten | mfrisch: What happens? |
| 01:49.09 | Nihilanth | karsten: what do you mean? |
| 01:49.10 | karsten | mfrisch: Could be your X drivers. Usually is in my experience. |
| 01:49.27 | ubarjames | sad day for me |
| 01:49.37 | TNKS_ | hi. I've been using stow for a little bit now. It occured to me that I have to take a little care to assert that all files are only installed into /usr/local/stow. It would be kind of cool to set up some kind of sudo setup to help me assert this more strongly. Is this something someone here's done? |
| 01:49.39 | mfrisch | karsten ctrl-alt f1 no terminal well it doesn't switch |
| 01:49.52 | karsten | mfrisch: Do you see anything? |
| 01:49.55 | _rene_ | ubarjames: did you load the respective modules? |
| 01:49.57 | TNKS_ | I haven't really done much interesting with sudo, but I think it's possible. I'm not exactly sure, though. |
| 01:50.01 | karsten | Nihilanth: Use your brain. |
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| 01:50.15 | _rene_ | ubarjames: but the stuff should be there. Hmm. which system? |
| 01:50.17 | mfrisch | karsten its there but X will not let me leave to get there |
| 01:50.22 | _rene_ | which cpu? |
| 01:50.30 | ubarjames | _rene_, pentium m |
| 01:50.33 | karsten | mfrisch: Pull up a root shell and try 'chvt 1' |
| 01:50.37 | ubarjames | cpufreq should be kernel built in |
| 01:50.44 | ubarjames | "conservative" is loaded as a module |
| 01:50.47 | _rene_ | hmm. |
| 01:50.48 | karsten | mfrisch: .. maybe 'chvt 1; sleep 4; chvt 7' if you want to be safe. |
| 01:51.14 | _rene_ | no problem here on my laptop. isn't a intel one, though |
| 01:51.14 | Nihilanth | karsten: are you talking about stable and testing packages conflicting. Or were you just telling me to go kill myself? |
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| 01:51.43 | karsten | mfrisch: You might also try checkign to see if what looks like X actually responds (wiggle mouse), or possibly log in and run 'eject', see if your CD tray pops out. |
| 01:51.59 | karsten | Nihilanth: There's not much difference between the two. Don't mix stable + other releases. |
| 01:52.32 | Nihilanth | karsten: heh...gotcha |
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| 01:52.43 | mfrisch | karsten that works chvt 1. Is it my video settings?? |
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| 01:53.40 | karsten | mfrisch: Not sure. Could be remapped keys. Check xkeycaps and see if ctrl, alt, and f1 are what you think they are. |
| 01:53.51 | karsten | Nihilanth: Dig. |
| 01:53.51 | ubarjames | _rene_, do you know which selections I'd need in the cpufreq menu? I'm use this pentium m centrino thing and kernel 2.6.12 |
| 01:54.03 | ubarjames | *I use |
| 01:54.04 | mfrisch | karsten I think thats it... THANKS. |
| 01:54.35 | mfrisch | Are the nvidia drivers in unstable the same as the oneliner?? |
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| 01:54.37 | _rene_ | ubarjames: no, as said I didn't use intel-laptops long ago. but you of course should enable all the cpufreq stuff.... |
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| 01:55.21 | ubarjames | uff lemme see |
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| 01:56.45 | bedouin | why would rpcbind be open and running if I'm not running NFS? |
| 01:56.46 | alexscott | xfree86/xorg? |
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| 01:57.36 | karsten | mfrisch: NP. |
| 01:57.46 | karsten | bedouin: NIS? |
| 01:59.04 | bedouin | hmm. not sure what would need NIS |
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| 02:00.26 | ubarjames | _rene_, think I've found the problem, thanks by the way |
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| 02:02.32 | karsten | Anyone got info on packages.d.o? It's down. Might want to /topic it. |
| 02:02.42 | dondelelcaro | karsten: it has the info itself. |
| 02:03.00 | asg | karsten: it lists the info on the page |
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| 02:03.13 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Any idea how long it's been? |
| 02:03.22 | dondelelcaro | karsten: since sometime yesterday, iirc. |
| 02:03.33 | ubarjames | yeye |
| 02:03.49 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Hrm. Yeah, the "last updated" header's actually accurate ;-) |
| 02:03.51 | dondelelcaro | saens was having issues, specifically the p.d.o cronjob, which was disabled. |
| 02:03.57 | SiN | little problem again.... when i type "./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3" i have: "checking correct functioning of Qt installation... failure" |
| 02:04.07 | karsten | dondelelcaro: p.d.o needs a cron that blows. |
| 02:04.11 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ... or doesn't. |
| 02:04.14 | dondelelcaro | SiN: you probably don't have libqt-dev |
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| 02:04.23 | dondelelcaro | SiN: what are you trying to build, anyway? |
| 02:04.33 | SiN | VyQChat |
| 02:05.09 | SiN | is there any libqt-dev under Ubuntu? |
| 02:05.26 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 02:05.26 | dpkg | i guess ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 02:05.35 | lunitik | SiN: wrong question |
| 02:05.41 | treyh0 | heh |
| 02:05.43 | _rene_ | SiN: wrong channel |
| 02:06.21 | SiN | ok sotty |
| 02:06.29 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: ubuntu =~ s#|##g |
| 02:06.30 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 02:06.32 | SiN | *sorry |
| 02:06.44 | khermans | Anyone know what the maximum number of players in a hockey penalty box is? I am arguing with someone that it is 3! |
| 02:06.45 | bedouin | what would be running on port 874? |
| 02:07.07 | dondelelcaro | bedouin: netstat -plunt; will tell you. |
| 02:07.08 | asg | bedouin: netstat -plunt | grep 874 |
| 02:07.26 | bedouin | thanks.. that will be useful in the future |
| 02:08.05 | lunitik | khermans: you can't have less than 3 on the ice... 2 active penalties, 1 waiting, so 3 total |
| 02:09.43 | lunitik | I guess you can have more waiting though... never happened to me... |
| 02:09.57 | lunitik | but you can't be shorthanded more than 2 players |
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| 02:11.23 | Damien2007 | Hi there, anyone fancy having a go at helping me install a voyager 105 adsl modem on debian, i was told it's supported. |
| 02:11.29 | Damien2007 | Never got it to work though |
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| 02:12.07 | lunitik | khermans: actually... I seem to remember them letting out the person thats served the longest when I got more penalties... so I believe I was right first time... |
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| 02:12.35 | ubarjames | _rene_, can I somehow set defaults for the stuff in /sys or do I always have to enter the right values manually as root? |
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| 02:13.09 | ubarjames | works now btw |
| 02:13.52 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: but I don't know if that counts majors, since they don't count as a man down... |
| 02:14.04 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.07 | dondelelcaro | s/major/misconduct/ |
| 02:14.13 | _rene_ | ubarjames: you can set the default governor in the kernel config... |
| 02:14.26 | _rene_ | ubarjames: for other stuff, yes |
| 02:14.29 | kspath | just put me in under listing for useless |
| 02:14.29 | ubarjames | I could only choose userland or performance |
| 02:14.38 | ubarjames | but not conservative |
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| 02:15.09 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: fighting is a major... 'game misconduct' is a minor... maybe thats not what you mean though? |
| 02:15.41 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: whatever the 10 minute misconduct is... |
| 02:15.59 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: ahh... I didn't even know there was a 10 min penalty |
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| 02:16.47 | a1fa | ~mythtv |
| 02:16.58 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: well, that's what http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_hockey says; admittedly, I don't play hockey. |
| 02:17.14 | dondelelcaro | (and you can be 7 men down there) |
| 02:17.46 | a1fa | anybody know where are new packages for mythtv? |
| 02:17.49 | asg | dondelelcaro: that sounds rather erotic ;) |
| 02:17.53 | dondelelcaro | although it never happens, because exclusions end with a goal, and with 3 men down, it's almost trivial to score |
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| 02:18.16 | dondelelcaro | (and exclusions only last 20 seconds) |
| 02:18.25 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: I don't either... just, I used to rule at NHL 95.... like, playing 20 minute periods, I'd get up to 130-5 or something stupid... so I got kinda addicted |
| 02:18.48 | lunitik | I actually find hockey very boring to watch though, so I don't follow it much really |
| 02:18.55 | apikoros | hey guys -- i'm about to migrate my laptop from slackware to debian. any recommendations what to back up, other than the obvious (X config files, custom kernel, etc.)? also, any guide to debian-specific things like apt for people already pretty comfortable with linux? |
| 02:19.14 | dondelelcaro | apikoros: the debian reference covers it pretty well; skimming it may be a good idea. |
| 02:19.18 | dondelelcaro | !reference |
| 02:19.18 | dpkg | [reference] The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
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| 02:20.49 | octoberdan | What's with Xorg? |
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| 02:20.58 | astronut | can anyone recommend a service that does RSS to email? |
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| 02:21.13 | anotherDavid | hi eeverybodi |
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| 02:21.47 | apikoros | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 02:23.36 | anotherDavid | hola a tod@s |
| 02:23.51 | ice_1963 | msg dpkg kde3.4 |
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| 02:24.27 | anotherDavid | some body have a master CD for packard |
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| 02:26.54 | Damien2007 | Can someine give me support on installing a driver on this url |
| 02:26.54 | Damien2007 | http://eciadsl.flashtux.org |
| 02:27.03 | a1fa | lol |
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| 02:28.06 | octoberdan | Xorg crashes because it doesn't have permission to move its own log files around! gah |
| 02:28.23 | octoberdan | Anyone know how to give a specific app specific rights? |
| 02:28.43 | drkat | chmod |
| 02:28.45 | octoberdan | or rather, "anyone willing to kindly tell me?" |
| 02:28.57 | drkat | or do a user group deal |
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| 02:29.07 | octoberdan | hmmm |
| 02:29.14 | drkat | who owns the log files |
| 02:29.20 | drkat | and what user is the program running under |
| 02:31.05 | Skolem | I'm running debian sid with kernel 2.6.10. I had an ipod mini that would be auto-detected by the kernel when I plugged it in. I would mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/ipod and be able to modify my ipod files. I replaced the mini with a nano, but when I plug the nano in, /dev/sda* doesn't appear. dmesg says "Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi5, channel 0, id 0, lun 0", and cat /proc/bus/usb/devices shows the nano (Manufacturer=Apple, Product=iPod |
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| 02:32.32 | raf256 | how to check if power-off button is beeing pressed now |
| 02:32.39 | raf256 | or how to have application executed when it is |
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| 02:33.13 | asg | raf256: if your system is sufficiently ACPI capable, then acpid can exec a script on such an event |
| 02:33.43 | raf256 | asg: cant I probe some /proc/sys for that? |
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| 02:34.20 | karsten | So, suppose you want to ensure that people source rather than exec a script. Does it make sense to shebang it /bin/false? |
| 02:34.25 | asg | raf256: dmesg | grep -i acpi |
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| 02:34.48 | raf256 | asg: empty. its some time after boot it might be flushed |
| 02:34.49 | asg | karsten: they could still /bin/sh foo |
| 02:34.51 | raf256 | how to recheck? |
| 02:35.04 | asg | raf256: is this a laptop? |
| 02:35.09 | raf256 | no |
| 02:35.11 | raf256 | amd64 pc |
| 02:35.12 | asg | raf256: you could also check /var/log/dmesg |
| 02:35.23 | raf256 | Jan 5 00:03:55 lore kernel: apm: overridden by ACPI. |
| 02:35.27 | raf256 | Jan 5 00:29:29 lore kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A] -> Link [APC5] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 21 |
| 02:35.31 | raf256 | in messages |
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| 02:35.52 | karsten | asg: Strewth, but they'd have to pretty intentionally shoot themselves to do that. |
| 02:35.59 | karsten | asg: Any suggested solutions? |
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| 02:36.20 | asg | karsten: #!/bin/false or no shebang at all should work |
| 02:36.47 | caphuso | unless the user is using bash |
| 02:36.52 | raf256 | Jan 6 01:18:51 lore kernel: apm: disabled on user request. |
| 02:36.52 | asg | karsten: better yet, #!/bin/sillybuggers where /bin/sillybuggers is a script that tells them to source, not exec |
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| 02:37.17 | asg | karsten: probably better to shove it in /usr/local/bin though |
| 02:37.24 | karsten | asg: No shebang defaults to bash |
| 02:37.29 | eigenlambda | i know theres a program to tell me what the top-level packages are on my system |
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| 02:37.37 | karsten | asg: Point on sillybuggers. |
| 02:37.38 | eigenlambda | does anybody know its name? |
| 02:37.46 | asg | caphuso, karsten: sorry, forgot about that |
| 02:38.10 | asg | eigenlambda: top-leve packages? |
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| 02:38.17 | asg | *level |
| 02:38.32 | eigenlambda | the ones that don't have anything depending on them |
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| 02:40.59 | spook][68 | Hi! I've a small (?) Problem with my proftpd server. it is running but i can't connect to it. |
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| 02:41.22 | _Sam-- | if i have a "live" linux cd, like knoppix...if i put the CD in and i DD the cd to a compact flash (which i can already boot)....would the compact flash card operate just like the cd? |
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| 02:42.24 | dli | _Sam--, I suppose no :( |
| 02:42.27 | karsten | asg: sillybuggers trick doesn't appear to work. I end up executing the script instead. |
| 02:42.27 | ke6isf | _Sam--: Ask in #knoppix? |
| 02:42.40 | ke6isf | spook][68: What are the symptoms? |
| 02:42.46 | _Sam-- | nobody there to answer...but lets say...instead of knoppix...that is was a debian sarge net inst cd |
| 02:42.59 | _Sam-- | and i dd'd the iso / cd to the compact flash card |
| 02:43.06 | _Sam-- | which i can already boot (IDE compact flash card) |
| 02:43.13 | ke6isf | _Sam--: If you set it as bootable, suppose so. |
| 02:43.19 | gb | _Sam--: lets not knoppix!=debian sarge |
| 02:43.33 | _Sam-- | i understand |
| 02:43.37 | _Sam-- | but for example purposed it could be |
| 02:43.40 | _Sam-- | purposes |
| 02:43.44 | _Sam-- | its just an iso that runs from the cd |
| 02:43.46 | EdLin | _Sam--: even though there's nobody in #knoppix to answer that doesn't mean you should ask here. |
| 02:43.48 | gb | nope |
| 02:43.56 | _Sam-- | is debian based |
| 02:43.58 | eigenlambda | _Sam--: dunno |
| 02:43.58 | eigenlambda | is this even the right place to ask? |
| 02:43.59 | eigenlambda | oh, found it. apt-get clean |
| 02:44.03 | EdLin | !debian based |
| 02:44.03 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 02:44.05 | eigenlambda | wait, no, that's not it |
| 02:44.13 | gb | you might just as well say messydos gui ==linux with x |
| 02:44.16 | ke6isf | !nadb |
| 02:44.16 | dpkg | If the people in the IRC channel for your Debian-based flavor of Linux aren't answering at all, keep in mind the only answer you're going to get in here is to ask within your support network - and that it's Debian based is not going to help your claim. Ask me about "debian based" if you want to know why. |
| 02:44.21 | gb | for example purposes only |
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| 02:44.36 | asg | karsten: oh, hmmm |
| 02:44.38 | bbrazil | nadb? |
| 02:45.03 | ke6isf | bbrazil: "No Answer Debian Based". Specifically for those people that come with their debian based questions because, say, #ubuntu won't answer their questions. |
| 02:45.05 | _Sam-- | ok new question..."IF I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO INSTALL DEBIAN SARGE ON ALL MY FRIENDS COMPUTER COULD I DD THE NET INST CD TO MY COMPACT FLASH WHICH IS BOOTABLE AND TAKE IT WITH ME"? |
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| 02:45.13 | ke6isf | _Sam--: Don't fucking yell! |
| 02:45.17 | spook][68 | ke6isf: i've finished the install of plesk on my new debian root server. then i configured my domain etc.. now when i want to connect to it, the client says it cant connect |
| 02:45.49 | ke6isf | spook][68: Does it say why? Connection refused? No route to host? |
| 02:45.54 | bbrazil | ke6isf: ah right, haven't come across that one before - I usually use !debian based |
| 02:46.03 | ke6isf | bbrazil: Well, I just created it... =^^= |
| 02:46.03 | sniper_ | Hey... I've got a problem I can't seem to figure out. Just installed Debian 3.1, and as with 3.0 I have a mouse problem. I'm using the 2.6 kernel, and am getting a psmouse.c explorer mouse at isa0060/seria1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 1 bytes away. What I've noticed is if I use the 2.4 kernel I don't get this. Any one have an idea? |
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| 02:46.08 | spook][68 | mom i'll look again |
| 02:46.09 | EdLin | bbrazil: or !they don't know |
| 02:46.18 | ke6isf | spook][68: Mind you, "can't connect" can mean any number of things. |
| 02:46.18 | karsten | asg: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1470 |
| 02:46.24 | bbrazil | EdLin: or !ubuntusmite :) |
| 02:46.39 | ke6isf | bbrazil: I guess I subconsciously wanted to kill a mepis user. |
| 02:46.44 | spook][68 | Server closed connection |
| 02:46.46 | bpowell | spook][68: you running a firewall of any type? |
| 02:47.02 | bbrazil | ke6isf: isn't there a mepissmite? probably hasn't been used in years |
| 02:47.03 | ke6isf | spook][68: Means it accepted the connection and died promptly. |
| 02:47.07 | mindmime | I've just downloaded debian for sparc. |
| 02:47.10 | spook][68 | only the one from plesk |
| 02:47.17 | mindmime | having some issues getting it to boot the cdrom to install debian |
| 02:47.17 | ke6isf | bbrazil: I see no mepissmite here. \ |
| 02:47.18 | mindmime | any idea's? |
| 02:47.38 | bpowell | spook][68: how are you tring to connect via ftp? ftp client or browser and what is it? |
| 02:47.44 | bbrazil | ke6isf: ah - there is a !mepis though |
| 02:47.51 | ke6isf | bbrazil: Indeed. |
| 02:48.01 | asg | karsten: well, the other solution is to remove the execute bit, which will force them to source it |
| 02:48.14 | spook][68 | with both.. now with SmartFTP |
| 02:48.21 | spook][68 | :( |
| 02:48.45 | sniper_ | mindmime You may have to get the floppy, some sparc's didn't boot from the cd. |
| 02:49.02 | bpowell | spook][68: what mode are you trying to connect with? or is SmartFTP set to use auto |
| 02:49.21 | mindmime | sniper_, hrm |
| 02:49.28 | asg | karsten: or check if '$0' == the name of the file (executed) or 'bash' (sourced) and act accordingly |
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| 02:49.37 | spook][68 | ahh i get a error message when i type /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 02:49.49 | ke6isf | spook][68: What's it say? |
| 02:50.01 | ke6isf | spook][68: What version of Debian? |
| 02:50.04 | spook][68 | Restarting internet superserver: inetd/etc/init.d/inetd: line 53: start-stop-daemon: command not found |
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| 02:50.33 | spook][68 | 3.1 Sarge |
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| 02:50.51 | ke6isf | spook][68: Thing is, proftpd should Just Work when you install it. |
| 02:50.51 | heatxsink | anyone in here have a saa7134 tv card? |
| 02:50.55 | ke6isf | !anyone |
| 02:50.56 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 02:51.01 | heatxsink | I cannot get video to show, but I get sound. |
| 02:51.42 | weasel | does anybody use popcon? |
| 02:51.45 | bpowell | spo |
| 02:51.52 | ke6isf | !lart weasel |
| 02:52.00 | weasel | bad dpkg |
| 02:52.03 | AciD | what'popcon ? |
| 02:52.07 | ke6isf | !popcon |
| 02:52.07 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 02:52.28 | sniper_ | Got a KVM switch and when I switch to the Debian linux box the mouse gives an error, anyone have any ideas? |
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| 02:53.03 | asg | sniper_: what kind of error? does it squeak or demand cheese? |
| 02:53.08 | SerajewelKS | how would i set a script to run after a new address is aquired by DHCP? i tried using /etc/dhclient-exit-hooks, but it seems that the interface has not been fully configured at the point that script is called, because it cannot seem to reach any external servers. |
| 02:53.12 | bpowell | spook][68: have you tried connecting via ftp directly from the shell of the server. |
| 02:53.31 | mond0 | "apt-get install kernel" returns "E: Couldn't find package kernel" - what gives? |
| 02:53.45 | spook][68 | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 02:53.45 | spook][68 | 21/tcp open ftp |
| 02:53.50 | weasel | mond0: apt-cache search kernel |
| 02:53.52 | spook][68 | its running |
| 02:53.52 | TraceGreen | Hello, i know cursors theme is controled by X, but i am not sure whether X control actions like kde's "hourglass" when click an icon to start a program. |
| 02:53.54 | _rene_ | because there isn't a package named "kernel"? use your brain... |
| 02:53.55 | sniper_ | Oh... comedy... :) psmouse.c: Explorer Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 1 bytes away. |
| 02:54.04 | TraceGreen | anyideas? |
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| 02:54.16 | _Sam-- | not that anyone cares...but you cannot DD a cd to /dev/hdX and have it boot like a cd. |
| 02:54.25 | sniper_ | If I boot directly to the the mouse works fine. |
| 02:54.33 | sniper_ | the=system |
| 02:54.36 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 02:54.36 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 rabid goats. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 02:54.37 | weasel | _Sam--: it was worth a try, I guess :) |
| 02:54.38 | mond0 | weasel, okay - "apt-cache search kernel | wc -l" yields "716" |
| 02:54.48 | weasel | mond0: | grep image |
| 02:54.54 | asg | sniper_: does the mouse still work though? |
| 02:55.00 | _Sam-- | i couldhave probably done it faster than trying to get someone to answer :) |
| 02:55.03 | lkjlkjlkj | sniper: dodgy kvm |
| 02:55.10 | _Sam-- | but now i have to figure out why |
| 02:55.15 | opc0de | hey I just ran apt-get update then apt-get upgrade, and it's telling me that it's going to keep back 192 packages.. I usually only see packages kept back when I put them on hold myself, why could so many pckages be held back? |
| 02:55.15 | _Sam-- | and i think the reason to be the bootloader |
| 02:55.16 | sniper_ | asg: no, flips all over the place. |
| 02:55.22 | bpowell | spook][68: it says it is running but is it answering? You can test that directly from the server shell. |
| 02:55.36 | dondelelcaro | opc0de: because it's not possible to do an upgade without installing new packages or removing old packages. |
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| 02:55.46 | sniper_ | asg: Had the same problem with 3.0, but found that if I use the 2.4 kernel instead its fine. |
| 02:55.53 | eddietejeda | i thought people like like to see this if they haven't already |
| 02:55.54 | eddietejeda | http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6018992.html?tag=ne.vid |
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| 02:56.01 | dondelelcaro | opc0de: consider using aptitude instead; or apt-get dist-upgrade. /msg dpkg dist-upgrade; before doing that though. |
| 02:56.09 | spook][68 | how i can test it?^^ |
| 02:56.10 | asg | sniper_: well, you could try the 'proto' param to psmouse (/sbin/modinfo psmouse) |
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| 02:57.16 | bpowell | spook][68: login via ssh and try to connect via ftp. You can do a man ftp to get the correct command syntax |
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| 02:57.37 | opc0de | dondelelcaro: yeah, I really don't want to do a dist-upgrade, I've had major probs with that in the past.. |
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| 02:58.06 | opc0de | telnet for example is being held back, why would that be? because the newer version relies on something else that can't be upgraded? |
| 02:58.20 | octoberdan | apt-get cant find java-package :-( |
| 02:58.26 | spook][68 | bpowell: ok im logged in, but i don't know how i can connect via ftp now. can you help me? |
| 02:58.28 | bpowell | spook][68: if you are running any kind of NAT you want to ftp to the local ip address first |
| 02:59.02 | bpowell | spook][68: type in "man ftp" without the quotes that will bring up the man pages for ftp |
| 02:59.18 | mond0 | "kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 is already the newest version." and yet, upon booting it, i no longer have a netcard. eth0: PCnet/PCI II 79C970A, but i can't insmod the pcnet32.o with the 2.4 kernel.. |
| 02:59.28 | spook][68 | ok thx bpowell |
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| 02:59.50 | asg | mond0: are you manually trying to 'insmod'? If so, use modprobe foo instead |
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| 03:00.08 | octoberdan | Ahh! All entries in /etc/apt/sources.list are for 'testing' ! |
| 03:00.13 | mond0 | asg, shouldn't it modprobe automatically somewhere in init/rc whatever? |
| 03:00.16 | bpowell | spook][68: let me know if you are able to connect from the shell and we can go from there. |
| 03:00.17 | octoberdan | Nothing for stable.. |
| 03:00.18 | ubarjames | is there some trivial "local" like startup script where I can just enter some loose commands? |
| 03:00.45 | mond0 | ubarjames, /etc/rc.local (?) |
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| 03:01.07 | vassagus | i installed nvidia drivers from nvidia.com and works good, but when i restart it doesnt works so i have to reinstall |
| 03:01.09 | ubarjames | does not exist (yet?) |
| 03:01.18 | asg | mond0: possibly. Does it work if you type '/sbin/modprobe pcnet32'? |
| 03:01.29 | asg | ubarjames: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 03:01.34 | spook][68 | bpowell: i get an "overview page" or something like this after i type that in the console |
| 03:02.03 | spook][68 | with NAME, SYNOPSIS & DESCRIPTION |
| 03:02.16 | vassagus | i installed nvidia drivers from nvidia.com and works good, but when i restart it doesnt works so i have to reinstall |
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| 03:02.39 | _Sam-- | un pequito, qual es tu problemo |
| 03:02.40 | _Sam-- | er |
| 03:02.55 | mond0 | asg, i've booted the old kernel to get network again. i want to make sure i've got everything i need before i expect it to work. there are corresponding modules in /lib/modules; anything else i might need to apt-get before i boot the new kernel? |
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| 03:03.31 | asg | mond0: what kernel version are you running that works, what have you installed that doesn't? |
| 03:03.38 | asg | mond0: also, what debian version are you running |
| 03:03.44 | mond0 | 2.2.20-compact works; 2.4.27-2-386 doesn't |
| 03:03.58 | _Sam-- | wow the days of 2.2...i remember them |
| 03:04.04 | _Sam-- | 1.2...i remember them too |
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| 03:04.14 | asg | mond0: so, you had woody and upgraded to sarge? |
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| 03:04.28 | mond0 | asg, how can i tell? there isn't an /etc/debian_version, but only debian_version.dpkg-dist |
| 03:04.31 | Guerin | mond0: you probably just need to load the pudules |
| 03:04.40 | Guerin | mond0: woody's kernels probably had them built in |
| 03:04.40 | bpowell | spook][68: correct you are looking at how you need to use the ftp command. just exit out of that screen with "q" and type in ftp <insert your ftp site here> and see if it responds |
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| 03:04.57 | _Sam-- | mkinitrd? |
| 03:05.17 | asg | _Sam--: he didn't compile his own, he wouldn't need that |
| 03:05.21 | mond0 | the whole purpose of me upgrading this box is because a user is trying to add a 33rd group. apparently there was a 32 group limitation in libc or the kernel or some such? |
| 03:05.26 | Aw0L | Is there any way tell a service (like apache, postfix, whatever) to load at boot? |
| 03:05.32 | Aw0L | or not to load for that matter |
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| 03:05.39 | sanxiyn | mond0: Really? |
| 03:05.43 | asg | Aw0L: man update-rc.d or install rcconf |
| 03:05.44 | vassagus | chkconfig |
| 03:05.54 | _Sam-- | er |
| 03:05.56 | _Sam-- | aw0l heck no |
| 03:06.00 | spook][68 | bpowell: if ftp mydomain.de right? |
| 03:06.01 | asg | vassagus: this isn't redhat |
| 03:06.01 | _Sam-- | why would you want to do that |
| 03:06.02 | Aw0L | asg: thanks |
| 03:06.12 | spook][68 | -if +is |
| 03:06.14 | spook][68 | =) |
| 03:06.15 | mond0 | sanxiyn, that's what #gforge told me. |
| 03:06.26 | Guerin | whee |
| 03:06.34 | Aw0L | are you serious? |
| 03:06.55 | nas | everytime i run my iptables script which lives in /etc/init.d/ from a symlink in /etc/rc2.d when i try to start kde it freezes |
| 03:06.59 | bpowell | spook][68: yes "ftp ftpsite.com" without quotes, if it works it should ask you for a username and password |
| 03:07.03 | nas | never gets past that point |
| 03:07.07 | spook][68 | bpowell it says: "421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection" |
| 03:07.09 | _Sam-- | aw0l nawwwp |
| 03:07.21 | sanxiyn | I thought uid/gid limit is 65535... |
| 03:07.25 | bpowell | asg: LOL |
| 03:07.29 | mond0 | asg, besides /etc/debian_version, how might i know what i'm running? |
| 03:07.32 | nas | i can than kill x and than try again same thing. even if i flush out my iptables it still wont start |
| 03:07.32 | _Sam-- | update-rc.d {-f} packagename {defaults} |
| 03:07.38 | dli | nas: are those related? iptables & kde? |
| 03:07.41 | asg | mond0: dpkg -l libc6 (paste the output) |
| 03:07.45 | spook][68 | bpowell: but i get an ftp-command line |
| 03:07.53 | nas | dli, i didnt think so |
| 03:07.59 | asg | mond0: only the last line, that is |
| 03:08.00 | _Sam-- | for custom stuff you can also use a "local" file in /etc/init.d |
| 03:08.02 | mond0 | 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 03:08.08 | nas | if i try to start gnome it does the same thing |
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| 03:08.18 | nas | if i try failsafe terminal however it will boot |
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| 03:08.29 | nas | if i disable the symlink the computer boots up fine |
| 03:08.38 | dli | nas: do "ifconfig", make sure you have lo configureed |
| 03:08.38 | nas | errr kde boots fine |
| 03:08.54 | asg | mond0: then chances are good that you are running sarge. |
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| 03:09.12 | bpowell | spook][68: that means it isnt answering, the ftp command prompt is simply from the ftp command you just typed, it didnt connect you. |
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| 03:09.15 | nas | lo is configured i can ping 127.0.0.1 and lo shows up in ifconfig |
| 03:09.17 | mond0 | or some perverse frankensystem? =) |
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| 03:09.35 | asg | mond0: probably a woody that was upgraded to sarge |
| 03:09.38 | nas | how do people with debian normal start there iptables scripts? |
| 03:09.44 | RabidDog | nas: is your iptables script blocking loopback |
| 03:09.51 | nas | hmm |
| 03:09.58 | ice_1963 | how can i install the new key for testing ? |
| 03:09.58 | nas | good question |
| 03:09.59 | spook][68 | bpowell: hmm :) |
| 03:09.59 | asg | nas: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README* lists the possible and suggested ways |
| 03:10.24 | nas | i dont believe so because even if i flush the iptables it wont start |
| 03:10.25 | asg | nas: the prefered way is via iptables-restore in an 'up' stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:11.46 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 03:11.51 | Woosta | OMG, my upgrade has finished installing .. I'm expecting everything to crash to a halt any second .. |
| 03:11.57 | mond0 | whoa, i fear that i need to go more modern than 2.4 to get past the 32 group limitation? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/06/msg03936.html |
| 03:11.57 | bpowell | spook][68: have you searched over at the Plesk Forums for a possible solution? It sounds like either a borked install or possibly just a setting wrong somewhere with Plesk. |
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| 03:12.10 | sanxiyn | Woosta: ? |
| 03:12.16 | Guerin | ice_1963: by reading the topic |
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| 03:12.49 | Guerin | wow, 'plesk' and 'broken' in the same sentence. Shock. |
| 03:12.51 | nas | maybe it is blocking because i didnt speciy an interface |
| 03:13.02 | sanxiyn | mond0: Oh, I wasn't aware of that. |
| 03:13.05 | spook][68 | bpowell: i thought the same, but i've found nothing like that in the swsoft forum.. :( |
| 03:13.11 | bbrazil | mond0: I think its a #define |
| 03:13.22 | sanxiyn | The limit of number of groups that one user can belong to. |
| 03:13.24 | mindmime | sniper_, got it to boot |
| 03:13.28 | bpowell | Guerin: actually ProFTP and broken REAL SHOCK :) |
| 03:13.33 | mindmime | what image do I boot now? |
| 03:13.36 | mindmime | its sitting at boot: |
| 03:13.57 | bpowell | spook][68: Is this your own box or are you leasing it from a provider? |
| 03:14.12 | mond0 | from older kernel source: |
| 03:14.12 | mond0 | $ grep GROUPS /usr/include/linux/limits.h |
| 03:14.12 | mond0 | #define NGROUPS_MAX 32 /* supplemental group IDs are available */ |
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| 03:14.24 | mond0 | but i'm finding from 2.6: |
| 03:14.24 | mond0 | $ grep GROUPS /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/include/linux/limits.h |
| 03:14.25 | mond0 | #define NGROUPS_MAX 65536 /* supplemental group IDs are available */ |
| 03:14.35 | RabidDog | nas: there should be a default rule along the lines of "-A INPUT -i lo -j loopback" |
| 03:14.37 | spook][68 | bpowell: i think it's the best when i try to contact the support. it's an rent root server from a provider |
| 03:14.38 | mond0 | thing is, userland has to cooperate.. |
| 03:14.55 | Guerin | bpowell: haha |
| 03:15.03 | SerajewelKS | i've just installed nessus and nessusd. when i try to log in, i simply get "SSL error". how would i go about troubleshooting this? |
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| 03:15.30 | SerajewelKS | it sent to stdout/stderr: SSL_connect: error:140943FC:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert bad record mac |
| 03:15.30 | spook][68 | bpowell: but many many thx for your help |
| 03:15.49 | bpowell | spook][68: no problem and good luck with solving the problem. |
| 03:15.49 | spook][68 | bpowell: and sry for my bad english =) |
| 03:15.53 | IamNothing | I have debian unstable installed, I did an apt-get install apache php4 php4-common php4-mysql libapache-mod-php4 but when I try to use MySQL commands, I get errors.... anyone have any ideas? |
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| 03:16.03 | bpowell | spook][68: it was fine for me :) |
| 03:16.18 | SerajewelKS | IamNothing: care to share some of the errors? |
| 03:16.22 | spook][68 | bpowell: hehe thx :D |
| 03:16.23 | IamNothing | Sure |
| 03:16.25 | tyler | whats the diffrence between tar.gz files and tar.bz2 files? |
| 03:16.32 | SerajewelKS | tyler: one is gzip, other is bzip |
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| 03:16.45 | IamNothing | SerajewelKS: |
| 03:16.45 | IamNothing | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/Infiniteecho.us/drupal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 31 |
| 03:16.45 | RabidDog | nas: correction... there should be a default rule along the lines of "-A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT" |
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| 03:16.52 | vassagus | whats the equivalent of rc.local on debian? |
| 03:17.07 | SerajewelKS | IamNothing: make sure that the mysql module is loaded in your php config file |
| 03:17.07 | asg | vassagus: /msg dpkg rc.local |
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| 03:17.24 | Bac9 | anyone use glade-gnome package and can tell me if it uses gnome libs by default or allows the user to select if gnome libs are to be used? |
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| 03:17.36 | SerajewelKS | IamNothing: search the file for "mysql.so" and see if it's there already |
| 03:17.47 | IamNothing | SerajewelKS: When I do a test php file, it says that it has MySQL database support is enabled. |
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| 03:17.56 | IamNothing | SerajewelKS: www.friendshipri.com/test.php |
| 03:18.06 | asg | IamNothing: it should be 'extension=mysql.so' in /etc/php4/apache*/php.ini (usually near the bottom) |
| 03:18.22 | IamNothing | asg: Okay, I'll look right now |
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| 03:18.52 | asg | IamNothing: the only MySQL thing in the output of the URL you sent was related to dbx |
| 03:18.56 | SerajewelKS | IamNothing: no it doesn't |
| 03:18.57 | TehBio | I just installed Debian and then took a snapshot and when I viewed it on another machine the colors were way off, anyone know what might be the cause? |
| 03:19.12 | SerajewelKS | IamNothing: show me where it says it has mysql support |
| 03:19.17 | IamNothing | SerajewelKS That's not the dbx stuff? |
| 03:19.22 | SerajewelKS | IamNothing: no |
| 03:19.31 | asg | IamNothing: no |
| 03:19.32 | SerajewelKS | IamNothing: mysql should show up as a separate module, like dbx does |
| 03:19.33 | mond0 | asg, the manual modprobe for pcnet32 worked! how to make permanent? |
| 03:19.38 | IamNothing | Oh okay |
| 03:19.41 | IamNothing | How do I do that? |
| 03:19.42 | asg | mond0: add pcnet32 to /etc/modules |
| 03:19.46 | asg | IamNothing: install php4-mysql |
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| 03:19.49 | IamNothing | I did |
| 03:20.00 | SerajewelKS | IamNothing: open your php.ini file and look for 'mysql.so' |
| 03:20.03 | nas | ok thanks guys im pretty sure that was the problem |
| 03:20.06 | nas | im gonna add that -i lo to the script and try to fix it |
| 03:20.09 | SerajewelKS | IamNothing: iirc, for apache 1 it's commented out by default |
| 03:20.12 | asg | IamNothing: then fully restart apache and verify the 'extension=mysql.so' is uncommented and exists in /etc/php4/apache*/php.ini |
| 03:20.15 | nas | k ill reboot and see if that works |
| 03:21.27 | IamNothing | What is the search command in vi? |
| 03:21.35 | jjazz | IamNothing: / |
| 03:21.43 | sanxiyn | mond0: Still there? |
| 03:21.57 | IamNothing | Thank you |
| 03:22.18 | IamNothing | It was commented out, I took out the comment character... I would assume I have to restart apache? |
| 03:22.29 | mond0 | sanxiyn, SYN/ACK |
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| 03:23.16 | IamNothing | Thanks SerajewelKS and asg. |
| 03:23.20 | sanxiyn | mond0: Now I confirmed that Sarge libc does have 32 ngroups limit. |
| 03:23.23 | IamNothing | It's working as needed. |
| 03:23.45 | sanxiyn | mond0: Try this |
| 03:23.50 | sanxiyn | #include <stdio.h> |
| 03:23.51 | sanxiyn | #include <unistd.h> |
| 03:23.51 | sanxiyn | int main() { printf("%d\n", sysconf(_SC_NGROUPS_MAX)); } |
| 03:24.22 | heatxsink | anyone in here know why my kernel is disabling IRQ 19? |
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| 03:24.40 | mond0 | ./a.out |
| 03:24.40 | mond0 | 32 |
| 03:24.44 | sanxiyn | Yup. |
| 03:24.52 | mond0 | uncool! for me |
| 03:25.04 | sanxiyn | mond0: http://gforge.org/forum/message.php?msg_id=8123 this suggests |
| 03:25.14 | sanxiyn | mond0: Rebuilding libc[!] fixes that. |
| 03:25.36 | sanxiyn | My guess is, Sarge libc binary was compiled on autobuilder/developer system which ran 2.4 kernel... |
| 03:25.46 | Guerin | and breaks everything else |
| 03:25.48 | bbrazil | sanxiyn: eh, wouldn't you then have to rebuild the entire system? |
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| 03:26.45 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Hm, apt-get source/build-dep libc6 and dpkg-buildpackage on clean Sarge system, and then installing it will break other things? |
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| 03:27.02 | sanxiyn | Anyway, I have no more idea. |
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| 03:28.10 | JPX | question: do i need X installed to utilize PDFTOHTML? or can i do the converting in text mode? |
| 03:28.34 | asg | JPX: pdftohtml doesn't require X |
| 03:28.55 | JPX | asg: k, great. ty ;) |
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| 03:29.16 | danieldg | Does anyone know how to set konsole to UTF-8 encoding on startup? |
| 03:29.28 | asg | JPX: there are a few X libraries (due to gs-gpl dependancies) but they are minimal in size |
| 03:29.44 | asg | danieldg: #debian-kde would know |
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| 03:30.00 | danieldg | ok, I'll ask there |
| 03:30.02 | nas | yup that was the problem. i normally dont do this but this time i set the default policy to deny so even though i flushed iptables the default policy was still deny is it blocked lo |
| 03:30.13 | nas | thanks again guys i wouldnt have thought about that |
| 03:30.50 | nipplicious | hello everyone anyone know how I configure webmin to allow mroe ips I configured it in the web interface itself and it stil says access denied when I try to connect from this machine |
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| 03:31.40 | nipplicious | going once going twice |
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| 03:32.29 | octoberdan | What do I have to add to sources.list to have access to the unstable packages listed at packages.debian.org/unstable/ ? |
| 03:32.57 | nipplicious | change everything that says stable to unstable in your sources file |
| 03:33.03 | asg | octoberdan: what version of debian are you running now |
| 03:33.10 | sanxiyn | deb <suitable mirror> unstable main |
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| 03:33.16 | nipplicious | 3.1 unstable |
| 03:33.21 | octoberdan | asg: Sarge 3.1 |
| 03:33.21 | sanxiyn | eh |
| 03:33.21 | gravity | er |
| 03:33.25 | asg | nipplicious: 3.1 is stable, not unstable |
| 03:33.32 | asg | octoberdan: /msg dpkg backports or /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 03:33.44 | nipplicious | will I'm running unstable not sure what the nubmer is |
| 03:33.48 | Guerin | nipplicious: 1) webmin is shit and you shouldn't use it; 2) webmin is documented; 3) don't tell people to use unstable, ever |
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| 03:34.06 | nipplicious | lol |
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| 03:34.21 | nipplicious | I was jsut going to going into the speal |
| 03:34.30 | Guerin | nipplicious: in fact, webmin is so shit that the debian maintainer has requested it be removed from debian |
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| 03:34.44 | octoberdan | Guerin: Ha! |
| 03:34.45 | ubarjames | how can I reconfigure a previously configured package? |
| 03:34.49 | octoberdan | That's awesome... |
| 03:34.50 | Guerin | and if it's not good enough for him, then I dare say it's not good enough for you |
| 03:34.53 | asg | ubarjames: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 03:34.54 | sanxiyn | nipplicious: As documented in /usr/share/doc/webmin, you need to restart miniserv after adding IP ACL. |
| 03:34.56 | nipplicious | why is it so bad? |
| 03:34.59 | Guerin | ubarjames: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 03:35.09 | ubarjames | gotta love you guys |
| 03:35.09 | nipplicious | I did that lol |
| 03:35.09 | Guerin | nipplicious: /msg dpkg webmin |
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| 03:35.21 | asg | nipplicious: 1) it encourages incompetence, 2) it's a security risk |
| 03:35.31 | asg | nipplicious: 3) dondelelcaro hates webmin |
| 03:35.35 | Guerin | 3) it breaks config files |
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| 03:35.55 | nipplicious | is this make fun of nipplicious day lol |
| 03:36.01 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Well, as long as you use only webmin... |
| 03:36.19 | karsten | !lol |
| 03:36.19 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 03:36.22 | asg | nipplicious: nipples are discussed in another channel that will remain nameless. |
| 03:36.22 | spook][68 | how i can show the process list via putty? |
| 03:36.27 | stew | looks like its going to be a fun weekend in unstableland for all you DE enthusiasts |
| 03:36.28 | asg | spook][68: ps |
| 03:36.29 | bbrazil | spook][68: ps -ef |
| 03:36.30 | sanxiyn | nipplicious: If you did a restart, close your browser and open it again. |
| 03:36.36 | karsten | spook][68: same as any other shell. |
| 03:36.37 | asg | spook][68: ps aux (for the whole lot) |
| 03:36.42 | gravity | Every day is make fun of webmin day in #debian |
| 03:36.46 | gravity | We may as well put it in /topic |
| 03:36.57 | sanxiyn | lol =~ s/AOL user/AOL luser/ |
| 03:36.59 | nipplicious | I tried all that hmm I'm going to read the documntation lol |
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| 03:37.17 | spook][68 | hehe 4 answers ;) thx^^ |
| 03:37.21 | asg | nipplicious: No Starch Press publishes a book all about webmin if you are into treeware |
| 03:37.50 | karsten | asg: 350 pages of "Don't use it!" repeated? |
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| 03:38.05 | sanxiyn | karsten: Maybe... |
| 03:38.14 | nayyares | is there any cuteFTP linux version? |
| 03:38.43 | sanxiyn | nayyares: I don't like gFTP, but it's there. |
| 03:39.06 | asg | karsten: dunno, their books use large fonts that really irk me to no end (except Martin's book) |
| 03:39.23 | jclinton | nayyares: the best ftp client for linux is konqueror |
| 03:39.25 | karsten | nayyares: Most browsers. Konqueror gives you a two-panel view. |
| 03:39.35 | karsten | jclinton: No, it's lftp / mc, take your pick ;-) |
| 03:39.55 | jclinton | nayyares: if you want it to look like cuteftp then click on profile and load the "Midnight Commander" profile in to konqueror |
| 03:39.59 | sanxiyn | karsten: ncftp/yafc |
| 03:40.07 | karsten | asg: Bingo. And thick pulp paper. I love Prentice Hall's stock. |
| 03:40.09 | Guerin | !best ftp client |
| 03:40.09 | dpkg | [best ftp client] lftp |
| 03:40.20 | karsten | Guerin: You cheated! |
| 03:40.33 | Guerin | karsten: hey, I'm on your side! |
| 03:40.41 | asg | karsten: yeah, PH has good stuff. I'm an O'Reilly whore myself |
| 03:40.43 | karsten | Guerin: ;-) |
| 03:40.58 | nayyares | jclinton, will konquerer will allow me to edit webites we well? like in MSFrontpage people do? |
| 03:40.58 | karsten | asg: Dittos, I just prefer PH's stock to even ORA's. |
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| 03:41.19 | asg | karsten: yeah, at twice the price, you would expect no less. |
| 03:41.21 | jclinton | nayyares: no, NVu or Quanta will do that |
| 03:41.28 | karsten | asg: ... though most of the time ORA does pretty well. Even when the content's shit, it *looks* good. |
| 03:42.04 | nayyares | jclinton, thanks |
| 03:42.15 | asg | karsten: their proofreading is getting worse as time goes by which worries me (ORA, not PH) |
| 03:42.23 | karsten | nayyares: NVU. Most decent linux editors support multiple remote transfer protocols, including ftp, http, scp. |
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| 03:42.55 | karsten | asg: There've been a pretty stunning number of Just Plain Bad Books. Their Beowulf Clusters one being among the worst. |
| 03:43.10 | ubarjames | why does "james" get mail when some unauthorized person tries to sudo and not root himself? |
| 03:43.23 | asg | karsten: yes, BC was horrid and they recalled it almost immediately |
| 03:43.31 | karsten | asg: Yep. |
| 03:43.32 | jclinton | ubarjames: check or /etc/aliases files |
| 03:43.40 | nayyares | karsten, will BLUEFISH? |
| 03:43.41 | karsten | ubarjames: /etc/aliases |
| 03:43.43 | caphuso | ubarjames: because you're system is properly configured and sends mail to root to a regular user account |
| 03:43.48 | karsten | nayyares: RTFM, NFC. |
| 03:44.08 | karsten | nayyares: vim and emacs certainly though. |
| 03:44.16 | jclinton | bluefish isn't wysiwyg |
| 03:44.40 | jclinton | another reason gnome sucks *ducks* |
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| 03:45.12 | nipplicious | ok I fixed it I had to edit the config file manually |
| 03:45.14 | dvs | jclinton: Linus? Is that you? |
| 03:45.20 | EleckttrusS | http://storage.msn.com/x1pyOKpfgDESZ68oEa2mGdBkpZJibEf9obEgWR-D-35pEm_Z00S8Q_0hyKC_F_uS__4pv1RDWgbBBghoIzcON7p08oBJCwuxf8xW9k0g48-UJd8pn3qY1gu9ur3VRpVEnIn |
| 03:45.28 | jclinton | dvs: how'd you tell? |
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| 03:45.30 | asg | EleckttrusS: erm? |
| 03:45.30 | nipplicious | I wasn't trying to allow the outside world jsut a internal machine to connect |
| 03:45.38 | dvs | jclinton: Just a hunch. ;-) |
| 03:46.21 | karsten | jclinton: http://tinyurl.com/aajws |
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| 03:47.14 | TehBio | Where can I edit my login manager? |
| 03:47.21 | EleckttrusS | asg, i my pictore 31 dicember! |
| 03:47.38 | asg | TehBio: edit in what way? |
| 03:48.10 | asg | EleckttrusS: you're new years eve picture? EWRONGCHAN |
| 03:48.14 | asg | *your |
| 03:48.27 | jclinton | karsten: nice! you do that? |
| 03:48.40 | karsten | jclinton: Yep. |
| 03:48.43 | TehBio | asg: When I boot up my box it automatically loads kdm, how could I switch to gdm? |
| 03:48.49 | jclinton | karsten: *claps* |
| 03:48.56 | karsten | jclinton: Google "an agony in seven fits" as well. Jeff Waugh goodness. |
| 03:49.01 | karsten | jclinton: :-) |
| 03:49.10 | sifi-x | TehBio, in somce scripts it is |
| 03:49.20 | tyler | is it possible to compile/make/etc . (installing tarballs) as user ??? |
| 03:49.27 | TehBio | sifi-x: Yeah, trying to find where. |
| 03:49.37 | jclinton | i wanted planet gnome after that flame war started; everyone just ignored him |
| 03:49.46 | jclinton | s/wanted/watched |
| 03:50.03 | jclinton | they brought him up and dismissed him |
| 03:50.07 | dvs | TehBio: /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 03:50.09 | jclinton | so that's why the gnome project is dead to me |
| 03:50.10 | EleckttrusS | asg, only see the picture jejeje |
| 03:50.11 | jclinton | :) |
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| 03:50.22 | TehBio | dvs: Thanks. |
| 03:51.07 | ootput | tyler: sure, as long as it's not a system-path that's restricted to superusers |
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| 03:51.17 | karsten | jclinton: Who did? |
| 03:51.38 | ootput | tyler: it'd probably be best to make a ~/bin, and copy the resulting binaries there |
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| 03:51.41 | jclinton | karsten: linus |
| 03:51.44 | karsten | jclinton: ... and "that flame war" == JW & LBT? |
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| 03:52.01 | jclinton | linus and gnome-usability |
| 03:52.06 | ootput | it was only 2 different perspectives |
| 03:52.24 | karsten | jclinton: Right. So Linus brings up the point and GNOME just says "you're not our target user", right? |
| 03:52.25 | ootput | the war was the result of people's allegiances |
| 03:52.34 | jclinton | karsten: right |
| 03:52.47 | karsten | jclinton: Gee, why am I so shocked... |
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| 03:53.03 | sifi-x | whats the definition of a desktop manager? is it the same thing as a WM (windows manager)? |
| 03:53.08 | jclinton | karsten: to which linus laid the smack down; they just ignored his argument though |
| 03:53.19 | marx | anyone here know much about Qcad |
| 03:53.49 | sifi-x | whats the diff between a DM and a WM? |
| 03:53.52 | gravity | jclinton: You didn't read the full discussion, did you? |
| 03:53.55 | marx | not how to use it, but about the program itsself |
| 03:53.58 | asg | sifi-x: it's a Window Manager with integrationy things (drag-n-drop etc.) |
| 03:54.13 | jclinton | gravity: yea :) |
| 03:54.22 | gravity | jclinton: Most of it was that "Hey, your bug... yeah, it's a bug and no one got around to fixing it or implementing it. The guy who spoke up and said you're not our target market... he's wrong." |
| 03:54.29 | gravity | jclinton: You missed the important part |
| 03:54.52 | sifi-x | asg, oh, ok, thx |
| 03:54.58 | jclinton | gravity: the important part was the packager claiming the missing feature was a usability feature |
| 03:55.04 | jclinton | gravity: that was the only subject |
| 03:55.14 | jclinton | gravity: all else was tangential |
| 03:55.15 | gravity | jclinton: There were parts on-list off-planet |
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| 03:55.36 | sifi-x | asg, so KDE is both a DE and a DM? |
| 03:55.39 | gravity | jclinton: Those parts spelled out that the real reason was manpower and motivation |
| 03:55.42 | asg | gravity: on-list off-planet (what a great meme) |
| 03:55.44 | Flimzy | Is it possible to map keyboard keys to behave as mouse buttons w/ a synaptic-driven touchpad? |
| 03:55.53 | karsten | jclinton: Yeah. GNOME jumped the shark a few years ago, they're finally starting to realize it. |
| 03:56.11 | asg | sifi-x: KDE is a DE, kwm is (or was) a WM |
| 03:56.13 | karsten | Flimzy: <ctrl><alt><numlock> |
| 03:56.16 | jclinton | gravity: yes i saw that, but no one acknowledge the _only_ point being made: using usability as an excuse is a dissease infecting the gnome project |
| 03:56.25 | karsten | Flimzy: .. then your keypad acts as mouse keys. |
| 03:56.28 | jclinton | gravity: that was the only point linus was making |
| 03:56.48 | sifi-x | asg, can you name some popular DM:s? |
| 03:57.01 | gravity | I tend to agree with gnome, so I won't argue it, but I'd personally rather ascribe such issues to innocent causes like manpower than malice |
| 03:57.05 | karsten | sifi-x: KDE is a DE. KWM is KDE's WM. |
| 03:57.18 | karsten | sifi-x: ... I think it's still a seperate executable. |
| 03:57.20 | jclinton | it's not malice, it's incompetence |
| 03:57.21 | Flimzy | karsten: Hmmm... I don't have a numlock on this system. |
| 03:57.22 | Flimzy | karsten: nor a keypad |
| 03:57.24 | Coweater | sifi-x: xdm gdm kdm sdm |
| 03:57.37 | dvs | sdm? |
| 03:57.37 | grendal_prime | ok i think i figured out something kinda interesting...i think that the acpi does not work on this laptop, but the apm does... problem is acpi disables apm. |
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| 03:57.48 | asg | sifi-x: Gnome is another DE. Metacity is its default WM |
| 03:57.50 | grendal_prime | how do i disable the acpi in the kernel? |
| 03:57.57 | grendal_prime | or at least keep it from loading |
| 03:58.11 | dvs | grendal_prime: apci=off in the kernel line |
| 03:58.15 | asg | grendal_prime: boot with 'acpi=off' |
| 03:58.17 | Coweater | hmm i thought there was a sdm, it was some minimal type one, wasn't in debian when i found it |
| 03:58.19 | karsten | Flimzy: Sucks to be you ;-) |
| 03:58.19 | dvs | that too |
| 03:58.24 | grendal_prime | ahh duuu |
| 03:58.25 | sifi-x | karsten, so KDE use a WM in turn |
| 03:58.27 | grendal_prime | makes sence |
| 03:58.28 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 03:58.29 | karsten | sifi-x: kwm => kwin |
| 03:58.59 | ootput | where sawfish was gnome's |
| 03:59.08 | ootput | i still enjoy using strictly sawfish :) |
| 03:59.12 | asg | ootput: used to be, it's metacity now |
| 03:59.13 | sifi-x | Coweater, that display managers, but yes they could be refered by DM as well |
| 03:59.21 | ootput | asg: yeah, 'was' :) |
| 03:59.35 | karsten | sifi-x: Yes. |
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| 04:00.00 | karsten | When did the metacity switch happen? I think that was pretty much the shark jump, though sawfish was getting there. |
| 04:00.08 | ootput | if i were to use Gnome nowadays, i'd probably use openbox |
| 04:00.09 | sifi-x | so GNOME:s WM is Metacity and KDM:s WM is KWM karsten asg |
| 04:00.12 | yaboo | anyway to net boot everything from the net to install debian |
| 04:00.23 | Flimzy | karsten: hehe |
| 04:00.41 | dvs | yaboo: You gotta boot from something |
| 04:00.45 | ootput | asg: http://metawire.org/~ootput/gallery/ ;) |
| 04:00.51 | asg | sifi-x: yes. However, at least in the case of Gnome, you can substitute another Window Manager for Metacity. |
| 04:00.51 | xaiki | yaboo: you can boot from a bootserver |
| 04:00.52 | Coweater | dvs: my mistake it was called SLiM |
| 04:01.01 | xaiki | yaboo: but you must have a local boot server |
| 04:01.10 | sifi-x | asg, I see |
| 04:01.14 | asg | ootput: nice :) |
| 04:01.17 | xaiki | yaboo: there is some doc on it in the official stable doc. |
| 04:01.23 | dvs | Coweater: OK |
| 04:01.33 | ootput | asg: i'm all about the urxvt-containers |
| 04:01.37 | yaboo | dvs I can boot the cdrom but it fails to load the cdrom due to the laptop is serial ata, and there are no drivers for it |
| 04:01.39 | sifi-x | asg, shoud be able to do in KDE as well |
| 04:01.45 | sifi-x | should* |
| 04:01.53 | kspath | mrxvt is ok even in ion3 |
| 04:01.57 | yaboo | xaiki, think I need something like unstable |
| 04:02.01 | Pattirajawane | vguilhv |
| 04:02.04 | asg | sifi-x: should but I'm not sure. The last time I used KDE was in '99 |
| 04:02.15 | xaiki | yaboo: pick the lastest d-i snapshot on www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 04:02.20 | dvs | yaboo: Did you try the linux26 option? |
| 04:02.21 | xaiki | pick the buisness-card ones |
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| 04:02.33 | kspath | I switched from openbox to ion3 with openbox3 and fluxbox as my fall backs |
| 04:02.34 | sifi-x | asg, hehe, it's been a while |
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| 04:03.02 | asg | ootput: I'm about efficiency and lots of terms fit the bill :) |
| 04:03.10 | sifi-x | asg, what more is used by DE that I should know else then WM:s? |
| 04:03.18 | solomonn | yaboo: you should try the graphical install while you're at it, it's fun ;) |
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| 04:03.29 | asg | sifi-x: indeed. KDE is too heavy for me. |
| 04:03.32 | yaboo | xaep, yes the latest d-i failed |
| 04:03.43 | yaboo | solomonn, might try that |
| 04:03.49 | asg | sifi-x: others include xfce4 and icewm |
| 04:03.50 | xaiki | yaboo: the buisness card one ? |
| 04:03.51 | yaboo | dvs yes the 2.6 option |
| 04:03.56 | jclinton | asg you tried it 6 years ago and you claim you know anything about it? |
| 04:03.57 | yaboo | xaiki, yes |
| 04:03.59 | ootput | asg: I think it's fantastic that you don't have to spend most of your time moving and resizing windows - sole reason i chose a tile-based wm |
| 04:04.08 | dvs | yaboo: xaiki is suggesting the testing installer. |
| 04:04.11 | xaiki | yaboo: then maybe usb-boot ? |
| 04:04.11 | solomonn | yaboo: also i had to use the graphical install to get around some cdrom drive problems myself on a laptop |
| 04:04.18 | karsten | asg: It does, also sort of fun with the Gimp. |
| 04:04.18 | asg | jclinton: I claim nothing, I just said it's too heavy for me. |
| 04:04.32 | asg | ootput: agreed. |
| 04:04.34 | yaboo | xaiki, url for usb boot |
| 04:04.36 | sifi-x | asg, is xfce4 and icewm to heavy for you? |
| 04:04.39 | solomonn | yaboo: the graphical install also happens to load even more stuff from the net than the business card cd, for some reason |
| 04:04.44 | xaiki | yaboo: oh, and don't try to usbboot on you mp3 player, I broke mine =) |
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| 04:04.50 | xaiki | yaboo: the official stable doc. |
| 04:04.53 | jclinton | i suspect innertia is a factor but whatever |
| 04:04.56 | solomonn | xaiki: ouch :) |
| 04:04.58 | yaboo | xaiki, this is fujitsu P7120 laptop |
| 04:05.08 | xaiki | yaboo: great. |
| 04:05.15 | asg | sifi-x: xfce4 is lighter but requires too much mouse activity. I use laptops most of the time and hate to use the mouse. |
| 04:05.59 | asg | dvs: #6 on the Leather Goddesses of Phobos Scratch-N-Sniff pad was questionable though |
| 04:06.00 | ootput | sifi-x: also, i still consider it to be just a 'tradeoff' application - one that really excel at anything :) |
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| 04:06.11 | sifi-x | asg, ok, well KDE as you said, takes way more resources then GNOME for example |
| 04:06.13 | roue | hola |
| 04:06.27 | yaboo | solomonn, is the graphical installer on a business card cd? |
| 04:06.32 | ootput | sifi-x: one that _doesn't_ really ... |
| 04:06.34 | roue | anyone know of a unix command that'll take a list of files and randomize their order? sort of an unsort function? |
| 04:06.36 | xaiki | sifi-x: depends on Qt and Gtk themes. |
| 04:06.37 | asg | sifi-x: I haven't run either recently to make that comparison. Perhaps others here could. |
| 04:06.39 | ke6isf | !start a wm war |
| 04:06.39 | dpkg | metacity sucks! |
| 04:06.47 | jclinton | sifi-x: heh, nice myth there |
| 04:06.55 | ke6isf | roue: Why? |
| 04:06.59 | sonyman | I'm trying to run the command "dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.14-2-686-smp" since only the configuration files are left, however the process freezes at "Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub ." I left it like that all night to no avail. |
| 04:07.14 | roue | I find to do a find . | randomize |xargs mpg123 |
| 04:07.22 | ootput | sonyman: umount /boot |
| 04:07.26 | dabaR | I have two processes that are ran as root, that are both the "mount" command. I get their process numbers from "ps", but using "kill -9" as root does not kill the processes. Is there anything else I can do? |
| 04:07.29 | solomonn | yaboo: it's on an image that is very small, smaller than the biz card cd image |
| 04:07.32 | sifi-x | jclinton, what, I'm using KDE myself, don't you agree that it takes more resources then GNOME |
| 04:07.33 | xaiki | roue: maybe use music123 ? |
| 04:07.36 | ke6isf | roue: Yes, but why are you using a randomizer function for a search? |
| 04:07.38 | lunitik | sifi-x: actually, its pretty much exactly the same, not even worth stating now |
| 04:07.43 | lunitik | sifi-x: no |
| 04:07.43 | sonyman | ootput, umount: /boot: device is busy is printed twice |
| 04:07.48 | solomonn | yaboo: which means it would fit on a biz card cd if you have one, but it will also fit on a normal cd :P |
| 04:07.50 | roue | I'll look at music123 |
| 04:07.52 | jclinton | sifi-x: no that's absolutely not true |
| 04:07.58 | jclinton | sifi-x: it's pretty much even |
| 04:07.58 | lekvar | Is there some way to install sawfish in sarge without getting gnome? |
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| 04:08.07 | roue | ke5isf - it's not a search, it just lists everything, randomizes them and plays them. |
| 04:08.09 | dabaR | btw, this blocks me from really mounting my hdc (both processes are instances of trying to mount /dev/hdc) |
| 04:08.10 | sifi-x | jclinton, ok, I listen, why? |
| 04:08.12 | lunitik | sifi-x: when gnome was gtk 1.x based... it was true... hasn't been true for a long time though. |
| 04:08.13 | yaboo | solomonn, cool |
| 04:08.18 | ootput | sonyman: make sure the apt-get procedure is ^C'd, and that none of your terms are currently navigating /boot |
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| 04:08.40 | roue | seems like such a simple thing, somebody must have written it. |
| 04:08.41 | ke6isf | roue: Oh! You're looking for a list of (presumably sound) files at random to play! |
| 04:08.42 | sonyman | ootput, yes for both items |
| 04:08.50 | roue | right. |
| 04:08.53 | sifi-x | lunitik, sure? =), I really want the correct answer on this one |
| 04:08.53 | jclinton | sifi-x: because gnome now includes several daemon processes that give it the features it has that make it attractive including everything associated with evolution and bonobo |
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| 04:08.54 | lunitik | sifi-x: why ask 'why?' ... its just fact |
| 04:08.57 | wwallace | !keys |
| 04:09.15 | wwallace | !key |
| 04:09.23 | ke6isf | wwallace: This is not a warez channel. |
| 04:09.26 | dvs | !2006 keys |
| 04:09.28 | asg | !list |
| 04:09.28 | dvs | !2006 key |
| 04:09.28 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to asg@is.a.fucktard.com |
| 04:09.28 | dpkg | run: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 04:09.31 | jclinton | sifi-x: those daemons run even when the associated programs are not running |
| 04:09.35 | wwallace | no im looking for the kanotix keys |
| 04:09.36 | ootput | sonyman: lsof /boot |
| 04:09.42 | asg | wwallace: /topic |
| 04:09.44 | ke6isf | wwallace: This is not #kanotix. |
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| 04:10.13 | sifi-x | jclinton, ok, see, you answered why =) |
| 04:10.16 | sonyman | ootput, klogd and konquerer, however I don't have any konquerer windows open :-/ |
| 04:10.36 | asg | sonyman: klogd isn't affiliated with KDE, it's the kernel log daemon |
| 04:10.44 | jclinton | sonyman: it is running to render your desktop icons |
| 04:10.46 | sonyman | asg, I know, I was listed the output |
| 04:10.59 | ootput | wwallace: OotPuT 0/4 slots free, 1/5 queue free, #69 Linus.Centerfolds.rar |
| 04:11.04 | sonyman | jclinton, should I "killall konquerer" ? |
| 04:11.06 | spook][68 | gn8 @ll & thx 4 your fast help |
| 04:11.13 | yaboo | solomonn, think the netboot is working, got dhcp and downloading things from a site |
| 04:11.21 | lunitik | sonyman: by default, one instance of konqueror always runs... this is to speed up load time... simular to ooqs-gnome etc |
| 04:11.23 | dvs | !beer yaboo |
| 04:11.31 | asg | ootput: do you use unrar or unrar-free to check that out? |
| 04:11.34 | ootput | sonyman: kill them all |
| 04:11.35 | jclinton | sonyman: you can but it will just come back; if you want to get rid of it then disable desktop icons and also disable the preloading of an instance of konqueror in its options dialog |
| 04:11.55 | sonyman | lunitik, but why is it accessing /boot? Should I set it not to mount by default in the /etc/fstab? |
| 04:12.00 | lunitik | sonyman: unless you're low on ram (free -m) then there is no point |
| 04:12.03 | roue | ah, I think I've found it. randomize lines debian package. |
| 04:12.14 | asg | !win roue |
| 04:12.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, roue! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 04:12.17 | lunitik | sonyman: what? |
| 04:12.32 | roue | thankyou, thankyou |
| 04:12.33 | sonyman | I killed konqueror but I still can't unmount /boot |
| 04:12.37 | lunitik | sonyman: wth does mounting have to do with an instance of konqueror running in the background? |
| 04:12.45 | ootput | asg: actually, linus coded a backdoor of sorts, whereby any attempts to open that particular file phones home, and responds with directions for your viewing pleasure |
| 04:12.46 | dvs | sonyman: lsof /boot |
| 04:12.47 | lunitik | sonyman: lsof /boot |
| 04:12.53 | asg | sonyman: use fuser or lsof to find out which process is using /boot and kill that |
| 04:12.54 | dvs | lunitik: ;-) |
| 04:12.54 | lunitik | dvs: doh |
| 04:12.55 | Kaz_64 | i just used apt-get to install gnome and X... how do i start X |
| 04:12.59 | sonyman | only klogd is listed now |
| 04:12.59 | wwallace | unmount -fl /boot sonyman |
| 04:13.05 | asg | ootput: rock on! |
| 04:13.18 | sonyman | wwallace, ok that seemed to work |
| 04:13.22 | ootput | careful with the lazy umounts |
| 04:13.26 | wwallace | :) |
| 04:13.33 | jclinton | sonyman: i can't think of any reason that klogd should have /boot open |
| 04:13.38 | sonyman | now should I try running dpkg --purge again? |
| 04:13.41 | jclinton | sonyman: something sounds fishy |
| 04:13.51 | asg | Kaz_64: it depends on what you installed. Try /etc/init.d/gdm start or startx |
| 04:13.54 | lunitik | Kaz_64: either 'apt-get install gdm ; /etc/init.d/gdm start' or startx (not recommended) |
| 04:13.55 | sonyman | jclinton, eh? |
| 04:13.56 | ootput | sonyman: wouldn't hurt |
| 04:14.07 | Kaz_64 | ok |
| 04:14.21 | asg | lunitik: startx isn't recommended? |
| 04:14.25 | ootput | sonyman: he was referring to klogd and /boot interaction |
| 04:14.33 | lunitik | sonyman: dpkg -P is less charactors... ;) |
| 04:14.40 | Kaz_64 | startx didn't work |
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| 04:14.55 | ootput | gnu-ism is itself a gnu-ism |
| 04:14.56 | sonyman | ootput, now it just said "No GRUB directory found" It moved on but seems to be paused at Unless you used the optional flag in lilo, |
| 04:14.56 | sonyman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.59 | asg | Kaz_64: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 04:15.20 | lunitik | asg: not really, having x fart things out on a console usually isn't what people want etc... and someone said its not very secure :| |
| 04:15.28 | lunitik | asg: -core |
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| 04:15.39 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:15.46 | sonyman | If I mount /boot then it freezes at the same point as before |
| 04:15.47 | roue | cool. find . -print0 |rl -0 |xargs -0 mpg321 works:) |
| 04:15.50 | lunitik | ootput: gnu-ism = dpkg --purge vs dpkg -P |
| 04:15.51 | asg | lunitik: I'd trust 'startx' to running a DM anyday |
| 04:15.53 | roue | I love linux :) |
| 04:15.58 | Guerin | lunitik: what's insecure about startx? |
| 04:16.03 | Guerin | definitely |
| 04:16.08 | sanxiyn | sonyman: I think I've seen that too... |
| 04:16.13 | sanxiyn | time to check BTS |
| 04:16.20 | sonyman | sanxiyn, did you manage to solve it? |
| 04:16.23 | lunitik | Guerin: meh... idc, thats just what I was told, and thus don't do it :/ |
| 04:16.27 | sanxiyn | sonyman: I just deleted postrm. |
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| 04:16.33 | sanxiyn | Seems to cause no harm. |
| 04:16.34 | caphuso | lunitik: oxygen is bad. stop breathing |
| 04:16.41 | wwallace | how do i install the kkeys? |
| 04:16.43 | sonyman | sanxiyn, what do you mean? (newbie here) |
| 04:16.47 | ootput | lunitik: startx is handy if you redirect error output to a file |
| 04:16.49 | bpowell | caphuso: lol =) |
| 04:16.55 | Guerin | lunitik: hey ... I have this really good piece of beachside land in Montana you should see |
| 04:16.58 | sanxiyn | sonyman: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.14-1-686.postrm |
| 04:17.01 | lunitik | ootput: it already is... |
| 04:17.12 | sanxiyn | (It's the whatever that hangs dpkg.) |
| 04:17.13 | ootput | lunitik: xorg.0.log doesn't catch all |
| 04:17.17 | lunitik | Guerin: I knew there was a reason I had you on ignore |
| 04:17.19 | Guerin | ootput: not really necessary, since errors are already logged twice |
| 04:17.32 | asg | ootput: or do 'alias x='{ startx & } ; exit' and type 'x' when you need it |
| 04:17.39 | HermanDE | Opinion time.... Is it better to use a single server certificate for all services provided by the server or is it better to use a different certificate for each service? |
| 04:17.41 | sonyman | sanxiyn, seems to be gone now. Thanks |
| 04:17.42 | Guerin | ootput: .xsession-errors does |
| 04:17.57 | sanxiyn | sonyman: Well, messing with /var/lib/dpkg is suerly not the proper solution... |
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| 04:18.05 | raf256 | packages.debian.org is down at the moment. |
| 04:18.08 | ThetaWave | Does anyone know, off the top of their head, how to disable the X login manager? I have a server, and I just want a CLI. |
| 04:18.12 | sanxiyn | raf256: Yup. |
| 04:18.12 | raf256 | it is that way since morning afair |
| 04:18.14 | asg | raf256: has been for a bit apparently |
| 04:18.17 | Guerin | ThetaWave: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 04:18.27 | raf256 | I wonder why |
| 04:18.31 | sonyman | sanxiyn, no, but all that was left were the config files anyway...whatever files thats s'posed to be |
| 04:18.36 | ThetaWave | Guerin: what's that do? |
| 04:18.37 | lunitik | asg: why would you randomely start and stop x? isn't that kinda a pain? |
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| 04:18.40 | asg | raf256: issues that are being worked on. |
| 04:18.45 | Guerin | ThetaWave: suck it and see |
| 04:18.51 | sanxiyn | sonyman: I mean, this needs to be solved properly in Debian package. |
| 04:18.53 | sonyman | sanxiyn, the grub entries were removed, the initrd and modules too |
| 04:18.54 | raf256 | asg: another hack O_o ? |
| 04:18.58 | rip | anyone know how to disable desktop icons in gnome? |
| 04:19.04 | raf256 | asg: debian.org realy could use grsecurity =) |
| 04:19.13 | sanxiyn | rip: Some gconf entry. |
| 04:19.17 | sanxiyn | Not sure which. |
| 04:19.19 | sonyman | sanxiyn, oh I see. I installed the kernel from the debian http repo since I was sick of 2.6.12. Etch btw |
| 04:19.20 | Guerin | rip: start nautilus with --no-desktop or somesuch |
| 04:19.28 | _rene_ | raf256: of course not. people.debian.org just caused too much load on ftp-master |
| 04:19.29 | lunitik | rip: gconf-editor: /apps/nautilus/preferences |
| 04:19.36 | _rene_ | err |
| 04:19.36 | lunitik | rip: there are three options there |
| 04:19.39 | _rene_ | packages.debian.org |
| 04:19.47 | rip | ley me see |
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| 04:19.50 | _rene_ | dumb alias |
| 04:19.51 | lunitik | Guerin: that makes you use something else to set background... boo |
| 04:19.53 | raf256 | where can I get 'crypt' program |
| 04:19.55 | asg | lunitik: I'm often switching between multiple resolutions depending on which monitor I plug my laptop into. |
| 04:20.02 | raf256 | I need to create old-style hash for xlock -cpassword |
| 04:20.10 | sanxiyn | _rene_: I wasn't aware ftp-master and p.d.o used the same machine... |
| 04:20.10 | sonyman | I've been having stability problems with linux and I am not sure if they are tied to certain 2.6.x kernels, so I gave a newer one a shot. I installed 2.6.15 yesterday so I have no need for 2.6.14. |
| 04:20.20 | sanxiyn | _rene_: That sure sounds like a recipe for a loaded machine. |
| 04:20.34 | Guerin | lunitik: it's a hard life using crap software |
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| 04:20.40 | lunitik | rip: then just don't have things in ~/Desktop and you're set |
| 04:20.42 | asg | lunitik: there are many times where I boot to do things that don't require X so I don't run it then. |
| 04:20.58 | _rene_ | well, not ftp-master, but near on it. mirror-master or something like that |
| 04:21.03 | _rene_ | anyway, too high load |
| 04:21.09 | lunitik | asg: my computer is almost always up |
| 04:21.20 | sanxiyn | lunitik: Even if ~/Desktop is empty, GNOME still shows "Computer", "Trash", etc by default. |
| 04:21.23 | wwallace | hi Guerin |
| 04:21.27 | sanxiyn | lunitik: There's option to turn that off too... |
| 04:21.31 | Guerin | wwallace: g'day mite. |
| 04:21.34 | asg | lunitik: as are most of mine. This D600 doesn't do suspend/resume so it boots quite a bit. |
| 04:21.40 | lunitik | sanxiyn: yes... but I already told him how to turn those off... pay attn |
| 04:21.42 | jclinton | i have a really tough trivia question... anyone want to take a crack at it? |
| 04:21.48 | asg | jclinton: shoot |
| 04:21.56 | ootput | what's the reward? |
| 04:22.01 | asg | jclinton: wait, is it 'Monk De Willy De Hong'? |
| 04:22.11 | jclinton | "What is the etymology of the phrase 'I have a bridge I'd like to sell you'?" |
| 04:22.17 | Kaz_64 | i just got the startx command to work, but it fails because of my mouse not being detected... how do i reconfigure X? |
| 04:22.28 | jclinton | google has turned up nothing |
| 04:22.29 | sonyman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:22.32 | dvs | jclinton: What? the origin? |
| 04:22.33 | asg | jclinton: from the 'Brooklyn Bridge' |
| 04:22.38 | jclinton | yea the origin |
| 04:22.44 | ootput | 'get over it' |
| 04:22.52 | asg | jclinton: a scam |
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| 04:22.59 | dvs | jclinton: as asg said, some sold the Brooklyn Bridge seven times over. |
| 04:23.07 | jclinton | interesting |
| 04:23.16 | jclinton | never woulda got that |
| 04:23.17 | asg | jclinton: basically the 419 of the early 20th century |
| 04:23.36 | ootput | what's the 419 code? |
| 04:23.47 | asg | ootput: 419 Nigerian scam. |
| 04:23.51 | Guerin | !fgi ootput 419+scam |
| 04:23.51 | dpkg | ootput: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=419+scam |
| 04:23.52 | dvs | they had spam back then? |
| 04:23.55 | caphuso | which just proves that oh so much technical advancement doesn't do shit for the average human |
| 04:24.00 | asg | ootput: I have a ton of cash that is waiting for your bank account |
| 04:24.01 | ootput | dpkg: :) |
| 04:24.01 | dpkg | well, ) is the smile part of a face. |
| 04:24.22 | asg | caphuso: :) |
| 04:24.24 | Kaz_64 | i just got the startx command to work, but it fails because of my mouse not being detected... how do i reconfigure X? ..... dpkg-reconfigure didn't work, it said xserver-xorg wasn't installed |
| 04:24.43 | Guerin | !drxx Kaz_64 |
| 04:24.43 | dpkg | Kaz_64: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:24.44 | asg | Kaz_64: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (does that work) |
| 04:25.14 | Kaz_64 | one sec |
| 04:25.20 | ootput | Kaz_64: the menu system won't provide all the settings you need |
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| 04:25.31 | mhall | !tell me about 2006 key |
| 04:25.42 | asg | !tell mhall about /msg |
| 04:25.46 | ootput | :) |
| 04:26.17 | ootput | they wouldn't find answers.com without it |
| 04:26.17 | lunitik | answers.com = google, wikipedia, dictionaries etc... :| |
| 04:26.32 | sanxiyn | Google sucks for finding Korean documents. |
| 04:26.47 | sanxiyn | Everybody would agree. |
| 04:26.51 | lunitik | ootput: hmm |
| 04:26.57 | sanxiyn | Use Naver for that. |
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| 04:27.21 | lunitik | ootput: I'm pretty sure I just randomly put that url in because I couldn't find what I wanted |
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| 04:27.36 | pennie | lunaphyte, 'howitwork' > answers.com |
| 04:27.38 | ootput | lunitik: well, that's the other way .. |
| 04:27.38 | lunitik | ootput: simular to how I found bored.com |
| 04:28.01 | ootput | and when you wanted to research the whitehouse? |
| 04:28.27 | sifi-x | how can I unlock a Pen Drive flash memory, In windows one uses USBDisk Pro that is included in the product but I havn't find any tools that does the same things in linux |
| 04:28.32 | mhall | sanxiyn: but why would i want to find korean documents when i can find english ones? everybody knows english ones are better anyways |
| 04:28.48 | sanxiyn | mhall: Well, because I am a Korean. |
| 04:28.53 | ubarjames | how could I make my laptops's behaviour in the case that the network cable gets removed/reinserted more windows-like, e.g. that it doesn't take ages for the system to realize that it has been removed (without installing windows) |
| 04:28.58 | sanxiyn | mhall: I read Korean documents twice faster than any English ones. |
| 04:28.59 | Paivakil | sifi-x: just curious - what do mean by ``unlock''? |
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| 04:29.25 | pennie | decrypto? |
| 04:29.27 | sanxiyn | mhall: One thing to note is that Google is extremely poor at filtering Korean search engine spams. |
| 04:29.37 | asg | pennie: plaintexto |
| 04:29.37 | sanxiyn | mhall: Or other non-English languages in general. |
| 04:29.42 | mhall | sanxiyn: so you always get pr0n spam etc. ? |
| 04:29.51 | sifi-x | Paivakil, make the data accessible since it's locked and requires my passwd |
| 04:29.53 | sanxiyn | mhall: Much more than using local search engines. |
| 04:30.11 | mhall | sanxiyn: i'll tell my friend on the indexing team |
| 04:30.12 | Kaz_64 | is there a command to install firefox without installing it from source? |
| 04:30.21 | sanxiyn | mhall: Oh. |
| 04:30.27 | asg | Kaz_64: what debian version are you running? |
| 04:30.31 | lunitik | Kaz_64: something like 'apt-get install mozilla-firefox'? |
| 04:30.44 | Gumby | There is a package in debian stable that is not available in debian testing. I run debian testing yet I still want this package (that has several dependencies, some of which are not available in debian testing). What do I do??? |
| 04:30.55 | mhall | sanxiyn: apparently his job is making proper names more googleable but he can't speak about details |
| 04:30.55 | Paivakil | ah. sifi-x I guess you need to identify the crypto algorithm used. Can you do that? |
| 04:31.19 | Kaz_64 | i tried apt-get install firefox... i'll try apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 04:31.19 | xaiki | Gumby: you shouldn't be using testing anyway. |
| 04:31.25 | mhall | Paivakil: not to mention password |
| 04:31.29 | sifi-x | Paivakil, not a stupid idea |
| 04:31.35 | Kaz_64 | my debian version is the current |
| 04:31.46 | lunitik | Kaz_64: yes... Debian calls is 'mozilla-firefox'... next time 'apt-cache search firefox' :/ |
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| 04:32.06 | sanxiyn | lunitik: Hm, it is now called firefox in unstable. |
| 04:32.06 | Gumby | xaiki: Well, I'm on testing now. What's the best way to switch to stable? |
| 04:32.09 | sanxiyn | !info firefox |
| 04:32.12 | dpkg | firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.dfsg-3 (sid), Packaged size: 7588 kB, Installed size: 21604 kB |
| 04:32.15 | mhall | lunitik: used to be worse; it used to be the binary was names that too |
| 04:32.25 | mhall | lunitik: fortunately both are now fixed [in sid] |
| 04:32.32 | sanxiyn | !info firefox etch |
| 04:32.38 | xaiki | Gumby: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change testing to stable |
| 04:32.47 | dli | what happens with the 2006 key? if the user don't have access to irc :( apt-get update tells you to run apt-get update |
| 04:32.52 | lunitik | xaiki: dude, never tell anyone that again |
| 04:32.52 | Gumby | xaiki: then do apt-get update/upgrade and everything should be fine? |
| 04:32.58 | sanxiyn | dli: Yes, that sucks. |
| 04:32.59 | lekvar | Kaz_64: try backports |
| 04:33.01 | lunitik | Gumby: no |
| 04:33.03 | dvs | Gumby: No, it won't |
| 04:33.09 | lunitik | ~downgrade |
| 04:33.13 | apt | somebody said downgrade was not possible with apt-get at the moment and probably never will be supported because why would you want to downgrade in the first place? Not possible because some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later...but if you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read ... |
| 04:33.13 | xaiki | lunitik: ? |
| 04:33.18 | khermans | How can I tell programds to search for libraries in /usr/local/lib if it is not looking there? |
| 04:33.20 | asg | dli: the user is running unstable and doesn't have access to irc? |
| 04:33.24 | Paivakil | Gumby: you will be *downgrading* almost every packages |
| 04:33.28 | _rene_ | dli: then the user just just reads the docs and uses gpg and apt-key |
| 04:33.28 | dli | asg: testing |
| 04:33.31 | lunitik | xaiki: ^^ |
| 04:33.31 | asg | khermans: man ldconfig |
| 04:33.37 | khermans | asg, i did that |
| 04:33.45 | sanxiyn | _rene_: You have really high hopes for users. |
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| 04:33.58 | asg | dli: or testing |
| 04:34.00 | dli | _rene_, since apt-get tells the user to run "apt-get update" to correct this, a sensible user would man apt-get |
| 04:34.38 | asg | khermans: and you added /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf and ran /sbin/ldconfig? |
| 04:34.40 | Gumby | Lunitik: What was user "apt" going to say, it says, " if you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read ..."??? |
| 04:34.54 | khermans | asg, my ld.so.conf does not exist |
| 04:35.03 | dli | _rene_, they have to make the error message pointing to the right section, somebody should fix this |
| 04:35.05 | asg | khermans: touch /etc/ld.so.conf ; voila |
| 04:35.15 | lunitik | Gumby: it used to complete the thought... its a mess anyways though, more likely to put you in a worse spot than before |
| 04:35.15 | asg | khermans: it should exist, however, on a standard Debian system |
| 04:35.18 | khermans | asg, so what about all the old lib directories? |
| 04:35.25 | _rene_ | dli: no, they don't. the error message says everything needed |
| 04:35.30 | lunitik | Gumby: what exactly do you wanna install thats no longer around? |
| 04:35.43 | asg | khermans: what old lib directories? |
| 04:35.48 | jclinton | gah i'm gonna stuff myself on this x-mas candy |
| 04:35.51 | khermans | asg, if I just add /usr/local/lib, will that override the /lib, /usr/lib, etc ?? |
| 04:35.57 | Gumby | Lunitik: Mayavi which has a "python-vtk" dependency |
| 04:35.58 | asg | jclinton: good in'it |
| 04:36.06 | jclinton | yea :( |
| 04:36.10 | asg | khermans: no, ld.so.conf is for additions to the standard search path |
| 04:36.17 | khermans | asg, ok i got it thanks dude |
| 04:36.19 | Gumby | Lunitik: which seems to have a lot of other dependencies... :/ |
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| 04:36.32 | asg | khermans: you're welcome |
| 04:36.33 | Amarande | and whatever you do, never move the ld.so |
| 04:36.45 | Yako-_- | #vigo |
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| 04:36.49 | Amarande | That was fun to fix. |
| 04:36.57 | mhall | Amarande: what occurred |
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| 04:37.22 | lunitik | Amarande: not as simple as putting it back I take it? |
| 04:37.25 | mhall | Amarande: i'm still puzzled by the fact that the dynamic library loader is a dynamic library |
| 04:37.43 | sanxiyn | This is fun to read: http://www.beamspot.org/unix/recovery.html |
| 04:37.45 | lunitik | mhall: that can't possibly make sense |
| 04:37.45 | mond0 | i've been instructed to "Modify the debian change log" as like, a manual, sysadmin task to prepare for dpkg-buildpackage .. what does this mean? where's the changelog? just touch it? |
| 04:38.04 | asg | mond0: use 'dch' |
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| 04:38.16 | mhall | lunitik: oh wouldn't think |
| 04:38.21 | marx | does anyone here have ad2.a or ad3.a from the legacy opendesign libraries? |
| 04:38.32 | mhall | lunitik: but why else would it be called ld.so (load dynamic dot so) ? |
| 04:38.53 | mond0 | asg, E: Couldn't find package dch |
| 04:39.03 | asg | mond0: it's in the 'devscripts' pacakge |
| 04:39.06 | asg | *package |
| 04:39.10 | mond0 | ty |
| 04:39.26 | asg | mond0: read the manpage after you install to get all the options etc. |
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| 04:39.27 | mhall | !tell mond0 about apt-file |
| 04:39.49 | sanxiyn | dch -i 'blah blah' |
| 04:40.14 | Gumby | ~mayavi |
| 04:40.20 | mond0 | dch: cannot find debian/changelog anywhere! |
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| 04:40.29 | jtibau | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.44 | spldart | can anyone help me get wmweather configured on my deb/fluxbox? |
| 04:40.50 | sanxiyn | mond0: Run it inside the directory you extracted source. |
| 04:41.02 | spldart | I apt-get'd it and wnat to know how to set location |
| 04:41.13 | sanxiyn | !redhat crap |
| 04:41.14 | dpkg | i heard redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid), or ** NEW redhat crap! If you're missing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, it's in woody's libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package (get it from oldstable/woody archives since it's obsolete) |
| 04:41.18 | dvs | ahahahaah |
| 04:41.19 | wwallace | !tell wwallace about clue |
| 04:41.51 | sifi-x | which flash memory features encryption for login in Linux? |
| 04:41.55 | wwallace | !clue |
| 04:41.55 | dpkg | a clue is something that puts you on track to something, however you will not know for sure that the track you are put on is the right one. So, the conclusion is that whenever you get a clue you should investigate it! NOW!!, but something shift and dimension-42 need. Command Line User Environment, or something clueless people do without. http://okkie.frob.nl/clueshop.jpg |
| 04:42.00 | sanxiyn | jtibau: Oops, AMD64? |
| 04:42.06 | mhall | jtibau: and just your luck! apparently not supported on AMD64 :-D |
| 04:42.12 | sanxiyn | I don't think there's AMD64/Woody... |
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| 04:43.26 | jtibau | mmm I'm using ubuntu AMD64, I got the .deb package from a debian repository so I thought I might look for it in a debian repository too |
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| 04:43.53 | jtibau | but the debian repositories seem to be down or something |
| 04:44.04 | sanxiyn | ? |
| 04:44.06 | Amarande | I've always wondered just how to set up HD-less terminals. |
| 04:44.09 | wwallace | !ubuntu |
| 04:44.10 | dpkg | well, ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 04:44.21 | sanxiyn | jtibau: No it isn't down. packages.debian.org is down though. |
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| 04:44.35 | dvs | Amarande: Boot floppy |
| 04:45.01 | kspath | boot CD |
| 04:45.12 | dvs | Boot ROM |
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| 04:45.32 | jtibau | mmm still the debian I got for my ubuntu machine did work |
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| 04:45.53 | mhall | Amarande: netboot, usb stick (if new), floppy (if old) |
| 04:46.08 | mhall | Amarande: oops typo, you can't use floppy because it expects hd for install |
| 04:46.12 | jtibau | is there any other way (than packages.debian.org) to get access to those packages???? |
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| 04:46.23 | mhall | jtibau: yeah ftp to a mirror |
| 04:46.28 | mhall | jtibau: and look in the package pool |
| 04:46.34 | mhall | jtibau: one sec, will provide url |
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| 04:46.42 | jtibau | thanks mhall |
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| 04:46.57 | sanxiyn | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ |
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| 04:47.19 | mhall | sanxiyn: beat me! |
| 04:47.25 | mhall | jtibau: follow sanxiyn's URL |
| 04:47.33 | tuv | is there a centralized package management tool to manage installed packages on a set of machines automatically? |
| 04:48.03 | sanxiyn | Hm, that rm -rf / in postrm bug in Sid FAQ is entertaining... |
| 04:48.12 | jtibau | I can't find libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2.... |
| 04:48.26 | kspath | that is a bug? |
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| 04:49.00 | jtibau | I read somewhere it is in multiverse maybe?????? |
| 04:49.10 | sanxiyn | jtibau: Who know |
| 04:49.25 | grendal_prime | whats really pissing me off about this is i cant figure out if the fans even need to be on |
| 04:49.32 | lunitik | jtibau: thats Ubuntu... |
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| 04:49.47 | grendal_prime | whats a for sure way to fire up the cooling fans....heat up the processor right? |
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| 04:50.09 | kspath | FAH or dnetc ? |
| 04:50.11 | jtibau | so it should be in main in a debian server...... but it isn't |
| 04:50.18 | sanxiyn | jtibau: Apparently, it's hidden in http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-2.95/ |
| 04:50.22 | lunitik | jtibau: although I don't see why a c library would be non-free :| |
| 04:50.25 | sanxiyn | (Search for libstdc++2.10) |
| 04:50.28 | lkjlkjlkj | grendal_prime, connect power to them |
| 04:50.35 | mhall | Anybody hear about the hilariousest Windows sploit since SP2? Apparently there is a sploit in MS's thumbnailing code allowing for box compromise just because the user clicked on something! Can anybody say 'don't fucking operate as Administrator' and 'don't write networking code in a sploit-prone language like C or C++?' |
| 04:50.46 | lunitik | s/c/c++/ |
| 04:50.49 | grendal_prime | well the do fire up when i first start the machine..i know the physically work |
| 04:50.54 | grendal_prime | then they shut down |
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| 04:50.59 | sanxiyn | mhall: Old news. |
| 04:51.21 | kspath | grendal_prime: might be as you suspect to save noise/power |
| 04:51.21 | jtibau | awesome, how do you do searches in an ftp server????? |
| 04:51.25 | mhall | sanxiyn: note i said hilarious, not *scary late breaking sploit* |
| 04:51.26 | sanxiyn | mhall: Well, with all those exploits in XPM handling codes, we're in no position to blame MS. |
| 04:51.48 | zinx | lutinik: because obviously some languages are 100% foolproof and won't allow a single exploit to get through! |
| 04:52.01 | lunitik | jtibau: apt-cache search libstdc++2.10 :| |
| 04:52.08 | zinx | oh, sorry |
| 04:52.08 | sanxiyn | zinx: Well, buffer overflows are pretty stupid. |
| 04:52.10 | zinx | mhall :P |
| 04:52.11 | grendal_prime | but see here is what this machine started doing... the video got all wonky...i thought it was the lcd going out...then realized it does it on the video out as well...also only did it after machine had been running for a bit |
| 04:52.14 | lunitik | jtibau: or just apt-cache search libstdc++ |
| 04:52.25 | zinx | sanxiyn: the WMF vulnerability is not a buffer overflow :D |
| 04:52.33 | sanxiyn | Anyway. |
| 04:52.41 | grendal_prime | so decided it was the cooling fans. mainly becuse if the machine is in the garage..and its cold there it never goes werid on the video |
| 04:52.42 | jtibau | lunitik: but that would work if you have the server as your repository..... |
| 04:53.02 | tuv | i haven't heard of fans that are controlled by software.. they are controlled by hardware so if you know they work (not broken) then you shouldn't worry about them |
| 04:53.08 | zinx | sanxiyn: the WMF vuln was specificly coded in to WMF as a feature to execute arbitrary code. |
| 04:53.23 | lunitik | jtibau: chances are, you don't need anything you can't get via repo's... |
| 04:53.32 | mhall | sanxiyn: Not one part of what I said was MS-specific. |
| 04:53.50 | wwallace | the fans in the space shuttle run with software :) |
| 04:54.16 | jtibau | lunitik: they don't have the AMD64 package :( is there any way to compile it from source or something |
| 04:54.16 | mhall | tuv: ACPI fans are software controlled |
| 04:54.22 | mhall | tuv: it really fucking sucks! |
| 04:54.32 | lunitik | jtibau: apt-get -b source foo |
| 04:54.58 | zinx | mhall: personally i think people need to realize bad programmers can't write good code, no matter how much the language tries to hand-hold them. |
| 04:55.14 | tuv | mhall: so if the cpu gets hot some software must be warned to instruct the fan to run? whose idea is that? |
| 04:55.15 | jtibau | lunitik: that would download the source code and compile it in any machine? |
| 04:55.17 | mhall | The funniest part is it blames the users for clicking on unknown links, but if you can't use your computer to click on links you have not visited before, WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF USING THE INTERNET? |
| 04:55.20 | wwallace | !factoids |
| 04:55.20 | dpkg | Give me more! Bigmouth hungry! |
| 04:55.22 | lunitik | jtibau: although you probably want to apt-get build-dep foo (I think thats the command) |
| 04:55.26 | wwallace | hmm |
| 04:55.38 | mhall | tuv: probably somebody at M$ that wanted to complicate things for people who don't have the right driver? |
| 04:55.44 | lunitik | jtibau: yes... provided you have everything you need, see last comment |
| 04:55.50 | mhall | zinx: i think everybody already knows that |
| 04:56.02 | mhall | zinx: but the problem is programmers follow a normal distribution |
| 04:56.17 | mhall | zinx: so half of the programmers are below the mean programmer quality level |
| 04:56.17 | sanxiyn | mhall: That's funny indeed. |
| 04:56.22 | zinx | mhall: i think a lot of them don't |
| 04:56.27 | zinx | mhall: (know, that is) |
| 04:56.28 | tuv | mhall: i can control my fan but nevertheless it operates on its own when it's needed |
| 04:56.37 | mhall | tuv: good |
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| 04:56.37 | jtibau | lunitik: mmm I will give it a try, the problem is I have several machines, not all of them have internet access, so I sort of have to make my own repositories and put them in a CD to install the programs in all of them |
| 04:56.37 | grendal_prime | tuv, thing is..im worried that when it gets warm again..the video will go all werid. I dont have a way to turn the heat up on it and see if they are going to kick in |
| 04:56.46 | sanxiyn | mhall: I'm sure many in human resource department doesn't know that. |
| 04:56.50 | mhall | grendal_prime: cpuburn |
| 04:57.07 | sanxiyn | (i.e. bad programmers write bad code) |
| 04:57.08 | mhall | sanxiyn: people know people are below average |
| 04:57.13 | Amarande | Hey, does Sarge have any limitations on where the boot partition can be in a large hard drive? |
| 04:57.15 | zinx | mhall: most managers seem to be of the mindset that there's linear gain in code quality as you hire more programmers, which is true, but it's 0 * number of programmers gain :P~ |
| 04:57.15 | grendal_prime | mhall? |
| 04:57.19 | wwallace | what woulkd the following command do.........rm /root/.gnupg -rfv? |
| 04:57.22 | mhall | sanxiyn: it's just, there's not a lot you can do |
| 04:57.27 | mhall | grendal_prime: it will heat your cpu up |
| 04:57.27 | tuv | grendal_prime: you might want to check your vga card's fan.. |
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| 04:57.36 | mhall | grendal_prime: so you can test your cooling |
| 04:57.47 | mhall | wwallace: man rm |
| 04:57.54 | grendal_prime | its a laptop tuv |
| 04:57.56 | mhall | wwallace: look up -r -f -v |
| 04:58.02 | Amarande | Like, do I need to make sure to partition so the boot partition is below 137GB? |
| 04:58.15 | mhall | Amarande: what kind of IDE controller do you have |
| 04:58.18 | tuv | grendal_prime: there are laptops with fans for their vga cards |
| 04:58.19 | mhall | Amarande: what OS will you run |
| 04:58.32 | sanxiyn | mhall: Go read http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/ThePerilsofJavaSchools.html |
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| 04:58.52 | jtibau | lunitik: I can't find the libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 for AMD64 I think I'm going to give up using my 64bit distro for a while |
| 04:59.02 | Amarande | mhall: XP Pro SP2, and Sarge. |
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| 04:59.16 | tuv | sanxiyn: i think i read that article.. that guy is in love with pointers that he hated java for not having them |
| 04:59.16 | grendal_prime | tuv na not this one has a copper tube heat sink that carrys over to the fans ive taken the thing apart a few times now |
| 04:59.40 | sanxiyn | tuv: Not really. |
| 04:59.52 | caphuso | tuv: if you think that, then you didn't read the article |
| 05:00.04 | lkjlkjlkj | grendal_prime, aim a fan heater at the air inlet |
| 05:00.24 | wwallace | what is? |
| 05:00.24 | wwallace | .gnupg |
| 05:00.26 | grendal_prime | heheeh |
| 05:00.35 | mhall | Amarande: what IDE controller |
| 05:00.40 | mhall | Amarande: that's the even more important issue |
| 05:00.41 | grendal_prime | naaa thats tooo easy, i like the cpuburn idea actually |
| 05:00.50 | Amarande | mhall: Onboard. Motherboard is an Aopen AX4B-533 Tube. |
| 05:00.51 | sanxiyn | tuv: Teaching CS is more important than teaching Java, that's all. |
| 05:01.07 | mhall | Amarande: what is the underlying chipset |
| 05:01.09 | grendal_prime | is that a lajit application or is it some sort of...bad joke? |
| 05:01.17 | Amarande | mhall: I'll pull it up in Sandra. Just a moment. |
| 05:01.23 | mhall | Amarande: perfect |
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| 05:01.26 | tuv | caphuso: i did read it.. i just double checked |
| 05:01.34 | caphuso | tuv: no, you didn't |
| 05:01.48 | caphuso | you might have glanced over a handful of sentences, but you didn't read it |
| 05:01.50 | tuv | sanxiyn: there is no conflict at the first place.. it's a matter of old school vs. new school |
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| 05:02.43 | odla | can i play m4a with rhythmbox? if so what do i need to play them |
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| 05:03.04 | khermans | Does anyone know how to convert video for the nee iPods under Linux? |
| 05:03.15 | tuv | there are many open issues on how to start a CS program: should you start with algorithms or pragramming? should you start on programming relatively low level tasks that give more understanding or high level tasks that prove usability? ... etc. |
| 05:03.18 | mhall | mmm proprietary formats |
| 05:03.59 | mhall | tuv: we started at the medium level and worked out onto the ends |
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| 05:04.01 | khermans | mhall, yes i hate it |
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| 05:04.29 | samlii | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.40 | tuv | mhall: then you can start by any language and work your way through the others when needed |
| 05:04.53 | Amarande | Anyway, I don't see the actual IDE chipset here on this report, but the motherboard itself is an Intel 845. |
| 05:05.08 | mhall | tuv: that's what they encourage us to do |
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| 05:05.10 | mhall | Amarande: yeah it is |
| 05:05.25 | mhall | Amarande: the reason i asked is i have to assess your ide controller to answer your questions |
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| 05:05.45 | mhall | Amarande: i can tell you what you need to do |
| 05:05.45 | sanxiyn | tuv: Well, another point Joel made (which I disagree) is that CS course needs to weed out people who will never be a great programmer anyway. |
| 05:05.45 | mhall | Amarande: for your windows disc, this must be SP1 or SP2 not SP0 or it will fuck up |
| 05:06.02 | mhall | Amarande: for linux, use something with recent 2.4 or 2.6 kernel, such as: |
| 05:06.20 | tuv | sanxiyn: the writer is talking about programming not CS.. CS is much more than programming |
| 05:07.00 | netman1 | Hi All. Why does the package 'apt' not depend on the package 'dpkg', since 'This is Debian's next generation front-end for the dpkg package manager.'? |
| 05:07.00 | mhall | Amarande: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/etch_d-i/beta1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 05:07.11 | caphuso | sanxiyn: disagreeing with that means to tolerate people like wirth ;-) |
| 05:07.14 | mhall | netman1: dpkg is marked essential |
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| 05:07.25 | mhall | netman1: therefore packages need not dep upon it to require it |
| 05:07.36 | netman1 | mhall: So it knows it's there? |
| 05:07.37 | mhall | netman1: note that no packages dep against libc either |
| 05:07.41 | samlii | Has anyone had problems with the 2.6.12 kernel and a Promise Ultra 100 card (non TX2) being ultra slow (~3 MB/s in hdparm -t) |
| 05:07.50 | mhall | netman1: no, even stronger, it *assumes* it's there |
| 05:07.52 | sanxiyn | caphuso: Python started from CP4E (Computer Programming For Everybody) project... |
| 05:07.55 | sanxiyn | Not that it matters much. |
| 05:08.00 | mhall | samlii: try making sure DMA is enabled, hdparm -d1 |
| 05:08.27 | mhall | samlii: note Python is broken |
| 05:09.22 | netman1 | mhall: Ok, so basic underlying question: all package management depends on dpkg, as there are tasksel, aptitude, apt and debconf? |
| 05:09.45 | samlii | mhall: It says its enabled on both drives. And both of them say UDMA 5 is the active mode |
| 05:09.46 | grendal_prime | i am continually amazed at how well qemu works. |
| 05:09.56 | mhall | netman1: yeah my understanding is they all call things like dpkg -i and stuff |
| 05:10.06 | mhall | netman1: i haven't heard of one that didn't use dpkg for something |
| 05:10.15 | netman1 | mhall: Thanks man. |
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| 05:10.23 | tuv | grendal_prime: i liked qemu, but failed to run rr4 live dvd on it :( have you tried it? |
| 05:10.26 | _rene_ | mhall: tasksel is no package manager but, yes it does use aptitude which does use apt which does use dpkg ;-) |
| 05:10.28 | mhall | netman1: but please don't quote me here, i'm not a debian developer |
| 05:10.35 | _rene_ | args |
| 05:10.48 | mhall | _rene_: yes; i could have been more precise there |
| 05:10.48 | _rene_ | netman1: tasksel is no package manager but, yes it does use aptitude which does use apt which does use dpkg ;-) |
| 05:10.50 | sanxiyn | netman1: Quote _rene_. :-) |
| 05:10.58 | caphuso | sanxiyn: are you sure about that? |
| 05:11.08 | zinx | aptitude uses apt? :o |
| 05:11.09 | grendal_prime | rr4? |
| 05:11.10 | sanxiyn | caphuso: Sure about what? |
| 05:11.11 | mhall | netman1: since _rene_ does OOO and stuff i think you should trust whatever he says |
| 05:11.13 | grendal_prime | what is that? |
| 05:11.15 | _rene_ | zinx: libapt, yes |
| 05:11.19 | caphuso | sanxiyn: python coming from cp4e |
| 05:11.23 | mhall | netman1: at least for this subject |
| 05:11.25 | zinx | scary |
| 05:11.27 | sanxiyn | caphuso: Yes I'm 100% sure. |
| 05:11.40 | sanxiyn | caphuso: http://www.python.org/cp4e/ |
| 05:11.42 | tuv | grendal_prime: yup.. a gentoo-based live dvd |
| 05:11.51 | netman1 | _rene_ : Know a place that describes all relationships between the different debian package management tools? |
| 05:12.06 | caphuso | sanxiyn: the darpa proposal linked there is from 1999 |
| 05:12.15 | roler | i've got big problems with debian testing. I boot up for the first time (after waiting 24 hours) it boots up perfectly. I reboot, and FSCK halts the system with the control-d option saying "Superblock last write time is in the future." So I type hwclock, it's correct. I type date, and my clock is behind 8 hours. Now I am in southern california and have -8gmt. Now that I boot into windows , my time is set to the same, 8 hours behind what |
| 05:12.19 | tuv | grendal_prime: http://www.lxnaydesign.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=27 |
| 05:12.20 | caphuso | sanxiyn: python is from the early 1990ies |
| 05:12.24 | roler | What the heck is going on with my system? I can't stand windows anymore... |
| 05:12.38 | sanxiyn | caphuso: Hm, but Python @ CNRI was mainly developed as part of CP4E. |
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| 05:12.55 | grendal_prime | dvd's media in general i use linux nativ apps for all that...windows is a royal pain in the ass for dvds...last i saw on windows for dvd was that it didnt even come with a dvd player program...you have to buy one seperate from windoes... |
| 05:13.01 | mhall | roler: yeah i know what you need to do |
| 05:13.02 | grendal_prime | thats the lamest ass thing i have ever seen |
| 05:13.14 | mhall | roler: the problem you have is: linux stores RTC chip in GMT by default |
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| 05:13.21 | mhall | roler: windows stores in local zone by default |
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| 05:13.33 | mhall | roler: i'll tell you what config file to edit in just a sec once i find it |
| 05:13.39 | mhall | roler: then problem will go away |
| 05:13.41 | EleckttrusS | jajajaja |
| 05:13.41 | lkjlkjlkj | roler, it's usual to set the bios clock to GMT (and a pain to change it) |
| 05:13.41 | EleckttrusS | a |
| 05:13.42 | EleckttrusS | ajajajajajajaj |
| 05:13.44 | EleckttrusS | aajajajajajaja |
| 05:13.45 | EleckttrusS | ajajajajaja |
| 05:13.46 | EleckttrusS | ajajaja |
| 05:13.46 | EleckttrusS | aja |
| 05:13.46 | EleckttrusS | aj |
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| 05:13.51 | caphuso | sanxiyn: yes, but python was developed at CWI before it was continued at CNRI |
| 05:13.51 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 05:13.52 | roler | mhall; I appreciate it! I was thinking the same thing since it asks me that during install |
| 05:14.27 | Gnea | !ja |
| 05:14.28 | dpkg | methinks ja is nice |
| 05:14.28 | sanxiyn | roler: /etc/default/rcS |
| 05:14.40 | sanxiyn | roler: Set UTC=no |
| 05:14.52 | mhall | roler: /etc/default/rcS |
| 05:14.55 | mhall | roler: UTC=no |
| 05:14.57 | sanxiyn | mhall: :-) |
| 05:15.00 | roler | woohoo! |
| 05:15.06 | roler | so I need to set it to no... |
| 05:15.07 | roler | ok! |
| 05:15.08 | mhall | sanxiyn: damn porn isn't even as hard core as you |
| 05:15.12 | mhall | roler: hold |
| 05:15.26 | mhall | roler: after that, one more reboot, then the following for permanent fix |
| 05:15.45 | mhall | roler: apt-get install ntpdate && ntpdate time.nist.gov && hwclock --systohc |
| 05:15.56 | mhall | ~+&& |
| 05:15.58 | apt | [&&] part of the command or separates commands? |
| 05:16.10 | olczyk | Help. I'm having trouble compiling the kernel, I keep getting stdarg.h no such file. |
| 05:16.19 | mhall | olczyk: libc-dev, libncurses5-dev |
| 05:16.25 | sanxiyn | olczyk: Get build-essential. |
| 05:16.26 | mhall | !tell olczyk about apt-file |
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| 05:16.39 | mhall | olczyk: oh probably also gcc-4.0 |
| 05:17.02 | kspath | timezones and daylight savings are so dumb it is based on a mind set of the numbered hours of the day must be certain ones any several parts of the world have long term dark or long term day |
| 05:17.06 | roler | mhall; thank you so much, I think this is it! |
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| 05:17.58 | solomonn | grendal_prime: what do you use qemu for? |
| 05:18.06 | mhall | kspath: yeah for real |
| 05:18.08 | mhall | kspath: it's broken |
| 05:18.09 | sanxiyn | kspath: I heard that Alaska has DST. Can it be possibly true? |
| 05:18.16 | mhall | sanxiyn: no |
| 05:18.21 | roler | mhall; wish me luck :) |
| 05:18.24 | riddlebox | hello, what file do I need to edit, to have a certain app to start during bootup? |
| 05:18.25 | mhall | rouben: yeah gl |
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| 05:18.40 | beardy | !run at boot |
| 05:18.40 | dpkg | To run something at boot, either use an @reboot cronjob (man 5 crontab). Or ask me about "update-rc.d" and "rcconf". |
| 05:18.45 | solomonn | grendal_prime: i am thinking of using it to do winXP media center (just happens to be the version i'm getting cheap) |
| 05:18.46 | sanxiyn | mhall: http://wwp.alaska-time.com/ disagrees. |
| 05:18.47 | grendal_prime | i have several apps for flight training..they require windows to run...like King Trainings. |
| 05:19.03 | sanxiyn | "Like most states in the U.S., Daylight Saving Time is observed in Alaska," |
| 05:19.09 | riddlebox | !rcconf |
| 05:19.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, rcconf is a frontend to the update-rc.d |
| 05:19.17 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 05:19.17 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
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| 05:19.32 | grendal_prime | solomonn, whats media center? |
| 05:19.45 | mhall | sanxiyn: you're right it's fucked up |
| 05:19.51 | solomonn | grendal_prime: i would probably use windows for ripping cd's with accuraterip and gaming, mostly. i presume qemu won't let met do the gaming |
| 05:20.02 | mhall | sanxiyn: st lawrence island and the aleutians don't but continental alaska does |
| 05:20.05 | solomonn | grendal_prime: it's just XP with some extra bells |
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| 05:20.15 | sanxiyn | mhall: Hm, is there some daylight to save there? |
| 05:20.15 | mhall | sanxiyn: omfgwtfbbq!!!!!11111!!!!1111!!!111!!11!1 |
| 05:20.27 | mhall | sanxiyn: well in the summer the sun's up 24 hrs |
| 05:20.34 | mhall | sanxiyn: and in the winter 0 hrs |
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| 05:21.00 | mhall | sanxiyn: not the whole time of course, but once you are past or near the artic circle that will happen for at least a week or two each solstice |
| 05:21.03 | Kaz_64 | i'm having some trouble with a tulip card... debian could see it durring install, but can't see it now |
| 05:21.10 | grendal_prime | riping cd's in windows is a total joke compaird to ripping them in linux. Digital media rights is MS's left nutsack |
| 05:21.25 | mhall | grendal_prime: yeah but it can be disabled |
| 05:21.30 | mhall | grendal_prime: just tweak a checkbox |
| 05:21.33 | grendal_prime | you never know if the files will work on another machine or not |
| 05:21.41 | mhall | grendal_prime: even still you still end up with a shitty WMA |
| 05:21.42 | ceeto | Hi all. Is there an SSL proxy for debian? I have one public IP for my company and I have a PHP4/Apache server and an IIS/ASP server and I would like to secure them both with SSL ... Looking for a cheap/free/opensource solution ... |
| 05:21.51 | grendal_prime | ive gotten more calls because of that |
| 05:21.55 | solomonn | grendal_prime: only if you use XP's built in stupid crap |
| 05:22.02 | mhall | solomonn: not quite |
| 05:22.04 | solomonn | grendal_prime: i just want to use EAC and AccurateRip |
| 05:22.10 | solomonn | mhall: not quite what? |
| 05:22.14 | mhall | solomonn: just uncheck the checkbox in wmplayer settings |
| 05:22.32 | solomonn | mhall: i have no desire to use media player |
| 05:22.34 | mhall | ceeto: very funny, apache2 has this built in ;-) |
| 05:22.44 | mhall | solomonn: don't then; but don't misrepresent the truth either |
| 05:22.59 | ceeto | mhall: hrm.. what's it called in apache? I'll google it ... |
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| 05:23.03 | solomonn | mhall: i'm confused |
| 05:23.09 | grendal_prime | the only thing i use windows for is the few apps that i have to and there not even the ones that most people claim that they need.. like office. they are really obscure apps for Avation training |
| 05:23.09 | mhall | ceeto: well let's hold on a sec |
| 05:23.11 | solomonn | mhall: i think you confused grendal_prime's statements with mine |
| 05:23.21 | mhall | ceeto: i'm afraid maybe i misunderstood your statement |
| 05:23.21 | Kaz_64 | ceeto: mod_ssl |
| 05:23.31 | mhall | solomonn: 21:24 < solomonn> grendal_prime: only if you use XP's built in stupid crap |
| 05:23.35 | solomonn | grendal_prime: what sort of limitations have you found with qemu'd windows, if any? |
| 05:23.38 | grendal_prime | people that bitch because the need windows for office have never used open office..much more reliable than ms office |
| 05:23.40 | ceeto | Kaz_64 - it will proxy my ssl connections? With the host headers I assume? |
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| 05:24.02 | solomonn | mhall: oh, well what i meant was, if you aren't using XP stupid built in crap, DRM is neither here nor there |
| 05:24.04 | mhall | ceeto: alright, i'm thinking it's better for you to port forward |
| 05:24.11 | mhall | ceeto: proxying is more invasive and slower |
| 05:24.24 | ceeto | mhall: I only have 1 IP address to work with and two seperate servers ... hence my problem ... :) |
| 05:24.39 | grendal_prime | well..really in depth graphics stuff...accellerated basically is going to be a bitch..but i have run training videos in it and they are understandable |
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| 05:24.54 | mhall | ceeto: this is assuming of course that the two hidden systems are allowed to have urls like http://publicsystem:443/ and http://publicsystem:444/ |
| 05:25.14 | apikoros | anyone here switch from a mouse to a trackball? how long did it take you to adjust? |
| 05:25.21 | mhall | ceeto: additionally your SSL certificates need to have the IP and domain of the public box or it will generate security errors when the clients verify the certs |
| 05:25.33 | grendal_prime | the cool part..its running inside the linux os so you can watch it from the outside...copy the entire os and backu it up in one file literally |
| 05:25.36 | solomonn | grendal_prime: i think i'll probably make a partition to boot windows from for games and then emulate it as well so that i don't have to leave linux to rip cd's, etc. |
| 05:25.37 | ceeto | Yes, they are, but many (most?) businesses only allow 80/443 out .. Using 443 and 444 is essentially how we're setup now .. And a number of our customers can't connect due to their IT rules ... |
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| 05:26.07 | grendal_prime | linux is the bomb for ripping..especially dvds... |
| 05:26.11 | roler | mhall, hey man.. i'm in linux now (after setting my clock ahead 8 hours, linux boots) |
| 05:26.14 | Woosta | qCAD requires libqt3c102-mt .. but if I try to install that, it wants to uninstall 99% of my entire system! I assume this is because of some sort of dependencies. Would it work if I built libqt3x102-mt from source? If so, how? Can I install it in such a way that apt will recognise that it's installed? |
| 05:26.20 | roler | mhall, ; but my /etc/default/rcS already says UTC=no |
| 05:26.46 | sanxiyn | Woosta: You are better rebuilding qcad. |
| 05:26.50 | sanxiyn | (than rebuilding qt) |
| 05:26.54 | grendal_prime | i get a lot of calls from people wanting to do things like this...i tell them how i do it and they complain about how difficult it is to do with windows. |
| 05:27.20 | grendal_prime | you know the one thing i really like about that qemu..all the hardware for windows if fake. so no driver problems |
| 05:27.26 | solomonn | grendal_prime: but for cd ripping i want to use accuraterip and that simply isn't available in linux |
| 05:27.30 | Woosta | sanxiyn: Cool .. is there some sort of 'source' package for it? |
| 05:27.40 | grendal_prime | seriously it was easyer to install in the qemu enviro than it was to install on a new computer |
| 05:27.40 | sanxiyn | Woosta: Sure. |
| 05:27.55 | mhall | ceeto: oof that's rugged |
| 05:27.58 | grendal_prime | accurate rip? |
| 05:28.00 | solomonn | grendal_prime: i do indeed find all kinds of ripping, transcoding, etc. really easy in linux though |
| 05:28.07 | solomonn | grendal_prime: http://www.accuraterip.com |
| 05:28.14 | grendal_prime | why you need that? |
| 05:28.26 | Woosta | sanxiyn: sorry for the newbie questions, but as I don't have the src repositories in my sources list, do I need to add them, or can I just download it from somewhere? |
| 05:28.46 | sanxiyn | Woosta: Copy "deb" line in sources.list and change deb to deb-src. |
| 05:28.52 | mhall | Woosta: make a copy of your deb line with deb-src |
| 05:28.57 | Woosta | Cool .. thanks :) |
| 05:28.59 | grendal_prime | cdrip with ogg is better than anything ive ever heard come from a winblows box |
| 05:29.00 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 05:29.00 | mhall | Woosta: then reupdate apt |
| 05:29.00 | Woosta | Both of you :) |
| 05:29.01 | Kaz_64 | i'm having some trouble with a tulip card... debian could see it durring install, but can't see it now |
| 05:29.07 | solomonn | grendal_prime: i would like to know for sure that my rip is correct |
| 05:29.15 | solomonn | grendal_prime: i rip all my stuff to flac |
| 05:29.15 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 05:29.23 | mhall | solomonn: mmm flac is t3h 1337 |
| 05:29.28 | solomonn | mhall: hehe |
| 05:29.41 | mhall | solomonn: i rip into flac with a kioslave |
| 05:29.46 | mhall | solomonn: just *drag* and *drop* |
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| 05:29.56 | grendal_prime | The report might say that 4 other people had exactly the same results, |
| 05:30.05 | recall | I just changed the time with kde's configurer and my screen flashed black for over a second.. =O |
| 05:30.11 | grendal_prime | that sounds liek a speed trap some sort |
| 05:30.12 | grendal_prime | hahaha |
| 05:30.19 | Kaz_64 | i'm having some trouble with a tulip card... debian could see it durring install, but can't see it now.... or at least i think it can't |
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| 05:30.25 | grendal_prime | jesus h christ i would avoid that at all costs |
| 05:30.25 | solomonn | grendal_prime, mhall: i think that 99.9% of people can find something perfect for them among the many inux cd ripping apps; but i'm anal |
| 05:30.29 | roler | mhall, ; did you see my msg :) |
| 05:30.37 | noiesmo | hey all little of topic pci express video cards and debian any known issues |
| 05:30.40 | Woosta | sanxiyn & mhall: How do I know *which* repository it's in? I have a few .. should I just add them all? |
| 05:30.48 | solomonn | grendal_prime: speed trap? |
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| 05:30.52 | sanxiyn | Woosta: Eh, main one. |
| 05:31.14 | grendal_prime | sounds like a program to cache possible violators of digital media writes so they can automate the process of mailing them violation tickets |
| 05:31.16 | Woosta | stable I assume then? |
| 05:31.24 | roler | mhall, ; it already is set to UTC=no. so I am doing your other commands, ntpdate... |
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| 05:31.33 | mhall | roler: right-o |
| 05:31.35 | Kaz_64 | where is the modprobe.conf file... or it equivilant? |
| 05:31.42 | mhall | roler: it's possible windows was in the wrong timezone |
| 05:31.45 | grendal_prime | jesus are you sure that SCO didnt write that app |
| 05:31.46 | grendal_prime | hahahahaha |
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| 05:31.58 | sanxiyn | Kaz_64: /etc/modules.conf? |
| 05:32.04 | roler | mhall, ; well windows doesn't cause this |
| 05:32.13 | roler | let me reboot again... |
| 05:32.21 | mhall | roler: no sometimes windows goes into a funny TZ |
| 05:32.27 | solomonn | grendal_prime: hehe that's silly |
| 05:32.59 | solomonn | grendal_prime: every windows user with a brain uses EAC with accuraterip now |
| 05:33.01 | recall | Does KDE have something against EST, the time zone keeps setting itself back to UTC! |
| 05:33.06 | solomonn | grendal_prime: i think they would have figured that out by now |
| 05:33.28 | Kaz_64 | sanxiyn: can i add alias eth2 tulip there... |
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| 05:34.36 | kspath | so funny to be on a system without top |
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| 05:35.09 | Pingy | a system with out top? |
| 05:35.13 | Pingy | how do you survive?! |
| 05:35.24 | dondelelcaro | it's not like top is all that essential |
| 05:35.42 | kspath | no true |
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| 05:36.12 | kspath | true not really required but nice to get a quick snapshot of status |
| 05:36.19 | Pingy | I love top tho :/ even if the gui fails, your mouse dies, and your screen spits out funny colours, you can still switch to console 1 or 2 and kill off things with top <3 |
| 05:36.23 | kspath | htop is pretty |
| 05:36.36 | gravity | htop is hot if for nothing else than to kill apps from within it |
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| 05:37.14 | kspath | Pingy: gui? |
| 05:37.16 | mhall | dondelelcaro: pgrep? |
| 05:37.17 | gravity | dondelelcaro: That's one extra step :-) |
| 05:37.26 | dondelelcaro | mhall: or pkill |
| 05:37.45 | Pingy | kspath, your desktop manager and all of that flashy colourfull stuff |
| 05:38.10 | kspath | I like TTY just fine |
| 05:38.23 | kspath | ncurses is your buddy |
| 05:38.35 | sanxiyn | kspath: ncurses is curse... |
| 05:38.50 | Pingy | :O! |
| 05:39.01 | ralfWORK | CUUUUUURSE |
| 05:39.05 | mhall | dondelelcaro: pkill is for the truly badass |
| 05:39.10 | mhall | dondelelcaro: as is sudo killall |
| 05:39.44 | kspath | pkill came later I did not get with the times |
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| 05:40.02 | sanxiyn | You read the cursed scroll of ncurses... boom. |
| 05:40.10 | gravity | Did anyone every play with the doom frontend to kill? |
| 05:40.13 | gravity | That was hot |
| 05:40.18 | gravity | And kinda insane |
| 05:40.19 | kspath | | just did a kill `ps | grep | cut or awk ` |
| 05:40.21 | ke6isf | My wife is installing Debian for now, replacing Mandriva. And there is much rejoicing. |
| 05:40.34 | dondelelcaro | gravity: I was always more into the hackers frontend to ls... |
| 05:40.37 | ralfWORK | ke6isf: is there fornication? |
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| 05:41.03 | deadcat | ralfWORK: calm down |
| 05:41.05 | dondelelcaro | gravity: giant lucite cubes with files flashing on them is so retro. |
| 05:41.24 | kspath | lol hackers |
| 05:41.26 | dondelelcaro | it's like a T3E cooling tower but cooler. |
| 05:41.32 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I never saw that |
| 05:41.48 | dondelelcaro | gravity: heh. |
| 05:41.49 | ke6isf | ralfWORK: No. We're married. We don't fornicate. We screw. |
| 05:41.49 | grendal_prime | your wife is installing debian....lucky guy |
| 05:42.06 | deadcat | ke6isf: dont encourage him. hes touching himself probably |
| 05:42.06 | kspath | it is a fun movie kinda but it was SO SO wrong technically yet average morons thought it was true |
| 05:42.06 | ralfWORK | doh! |
| 05:42.08 | deadcat | right now |
| 05:42.09 | dondelelcaro | and if they're feeling really kinky, they nail or use bolts. |
| 05:42.10 | ke6isf | ralfWORK: fornication implies "outside of wedlock". |
| 05:42.17 | ke6isf | deadcat: EW! |
| 05:42.18 | ralfWORK | ke6isf: yes I know this |
| 05:42.31 | deadcat | ke6isf: ya. sick fucks on irc |
| 05:42.31 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Wait, did someone actually make a hackers frontend to kill? |
| 05:42.38 | gravity | 'cause if not, I kind of want to :-) |
| 05:42.44 | dondelelcaro | gravity: no, it's the hackers fronted to ls.. |
| 05:42.57 | grendal_prime | hey i may have fkd a few fat chicks in my day but ive never fornicated anyone |
| 05:42.59 | gravity | dondelelcaro: But it was actualy made? |
| 05:43.02 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 05:43.04 | gravity | Not just the movie? |
| 05:43.05 | dondelelcaro | one for kill that made the wooshing sound and had the processes go red would be good. |
| 05:43.08 | Pingy | dondelelcaro, the real hard core couples these days use power drivers for screwing |
| 05:43.15 | grendal_prime | right straight out of (bad santa) |
| 05:43.19 | qtac | I'm having a rather strange problem... Linux can't see the hard drive, although it boots and runs fine! For example, an `fdisk -l` doesn't return anything, yet /etc/fstab shows that / is mounted on /dev/sda1 |
| 05:43.36 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Seen psdoom? |
| 05:43.39 | mhall | dondelelcaro: the real hacker frontend would be <dirent.h> eh? |
| 05:43.50 | deadcat | ke6isf: look what you did including female into your sentence. now everyone is bragging about the fat chicks they fucked. |
| 05:43.52 | mhall | dondelelcaro: and the psycho hacker's front end would be /dev/kmem |
| 05:43.53 | qtac | df -h shows that /dev/sda1 is 3% used... |
| 05:44.06 | dondelelcaro | mhall: wimps use /proc |
| 05:44.25 | dondelelcaro | qtac: and fdisk -l /dev/sda? |
| 05:44.37 | qtac | nothing |
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| 05:44.49 | dondelelcaro | qtac: not even an error? |
| 05:44.49 | qtac | cfdisk /dev/sda |
| 05:44.56 | qtac | fatal error, can't open the drive |
| 05:44.57 | grendal_prime | accurip...jesus this thing just sounds more and more like a method of developing a list of people to arrest...or shoot...or both |
| 05:45.08 | sanxiyn | qtac: You'd need root. |
| 05:45.10 | mhall | grendal_prime: too busy fornicating with Everyone to fornicate Anyone? |
| 05:45.23 | qtac | I am root :-\ |
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| 05:45.35 | grendal_prime | arrest and shot for backing up your music...thats one hell of a thing to have to explain to the master of the other side |
| 05:45.39 | dondelelcaro | qtac: check dmesg, and then make sure /dev/sda is really /dev/sda. |
| 05:45.42 | roler | mhall, ; well I don't really understand why, but when setting UTC to yes, everything is okay... |
| 05:45.43 | deadcat | any counter-strike players here? what you use to get it running on linux? |
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| 05:45.59 | dondelelcaro | anywhoo.. localtime all. |
| 05:46.01 | mhall | roler: probably Windows is in the wrong time zone |
| 05:46.03 | grendal_prime | naa not any more..i married this hotty i use to work with |
| 05:46.14 | olczyk | nhall, I've got libc-dev and libncurses-dvb. Just added build-packages, still won't compile. I didn't know gcc 4 wqas available yet. |
| 05:46.15 | roler | mhall, windows is not doing it |
| 05:46.16 | mhall | grendal_prime: what sort of hottie |
| 05:46.19 | grendal_prime | no more fornication here..its all legal kinky |
| 05:46.33 | mhall | olczyk: *build-essential* and yes gcc 4 is available since a while |
| 05:46.33 | roler | mhall, ; when i was in linux, both the hardware clock and system clock were identical, and set to the correct time |
| 05:46.47 | qtac | Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda1 ro |
| 05:46.59 | grendal_prime | well she was a councelor i was a teacher...we decided we liked each other more than i significant others..we bailed and eloped |
| 05:47.02 | roler | mhall, ; i'd reboot, and then the warning would come up. I type my password. hwclock is correct, system clock was wrong. windows changes the hardware clock... |
| 05:47.12 | mhall | grendal_prime: cool, did it work out |
| 05:47.24 | mhall | grendal_prime: and what did you teach |
| 05:47.31 | grendal_prime | yep and we just adopted two kids this year |
| 05:47.40 | mhall | roler: right, windows screws it up |
| 05:47.55 | mhall | grendal_prime: ah sweet, so that way she stays hot ;-) |
| 05:47.55 | grendal_prime | that was a major...nither one of our previousl spouses wanted that and we both did |
| 05:48.13 | roler | mhall, ; so windows mounts my ext3 partition and changes the system time? What i'm saying is if I go into windows, before I boot linux, i go into the bios to double check the time. it is always correct... |
| 05:48.19 | beardy | roler: You can't have the RTC in UTC if running windows. |
| 05:48.20 | deadcat | ~. |
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| 05:48.34 | grendal_prime | well if we could have done it the old fashiond way we would have but it was not possible.. |
| 05:48.39 | beardy | (unless you live in britain of course) |
| 05:48.54 | grendal_prime | we got two beautyfull kids..boy and girl look just like us anyway |
| 05:48.58 | grendal_prime | and it was cheeper |
| 05:48.59 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 05:49.17 | roler | mhall, ; should my linux local time be set to PST ? or GMT? |
| 05:49.27 | roler | mhall, ; if I were to turn UTC to no |
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| 05:49.36 | grendal_prime | if your flying jets everything is gmt |
| 05:49.47 | grendal_prime | accept its called UTC |
| 05:50.05 | ralfWORK | seems someone told me UTC and GMT isn't the same |
| 05:50.11 | grendal_prime | hell if your flying anything really its UTC |
| 05:50.13 | ralfWORK | don't recall who that someone is though |
| 05:50.17 | beardy | And propellerplanes localtime? |
| 05:50.18 | grendal_prime | well it is |
| 05:50.29 | grendal_prime | Universal time code. |
| 05:50.40 | ralfWORK | Grenich Mean Time |
| 05:50.40 | mhall | roler: The system time is not stored in the partition chief. |
| 05:50.43 | beardy | No |
| 05:50.47 | caphuso | ralfWORK: UTC has leap seconds |
| 05:50.48 | mhall | roler: The system retrieves it from the RTC. |
| 05:50.50 | beardy | Universl Time Coordinated. |
| 05:50.51 | grendal_prime | gmt and utc are always the same so... |
| 05:50.56 | roler | mhall, ; so computers have two times in them? |
| 05:50.59 | grendal_prime | ya utc is the atomic clock |
| 05:51.01 | mhall | roler: The reason your current setup works is because the WINDOWS TIME ZONE IS WRONG |
| 05:51.03 | ralfWORK | yay I can recite acronyms too :) |
| 05:51.10 | Woosta | grendal_prime: no that'd be TAI |
| 05:51.17 | mhall | roler: the correct setup would be UTC=no with Windows set to the Pacific zone |
| 05:51.23 | grendal_prime | wait a second |
| 05:51.29 | grendal_prime | i was just looking at this the other day |
| 05:51.36 | roler | mhall, ;`ok man. I thank you for taking my smart a$$ remarks. let me go back into windows. brb |
| 05:51.41 | mhall | roler: then Linux should be set to Pacific as well |
| 05:52.14 | mhall | Woosta: no TAI needs to be corrected with leap seconds |
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| 05:52.29 | grendal_prime | Greenwich Mean Time (now known as Universal Coordinated Time) |
| 05:52.29 | mhall | Woosta: legally accepted civil time is UTC +/- appropriate offset(s). |
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| 05:53.10 | mhall | Woosta: otherwise TAI is... 32 seconds ahead from the cumulative braking effect of tides |
| 05:53.26 | raf256 | hey, I have some problem with public key! |
| 05:53.28 | raf256 | j/k ;) |
| 05:53.51 | mhall | Woosta: i lied! 33 |
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| 05:54.13 | Woosta | mhall: Yup .. UTC is the civil time .. but TAI is the atomic time |
| 05:54.16 | roler | mhall; ok i'm in windows, and my timezone is set to -8... |
| 05:54.22 | roler | mhall; the time/day is right tooo. sigh. |
| 05:54.27 | grendal_prime | this explains it |
| 05:54.28 | grendal_prime | http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/ |
| 05:54.43 | recall | Erm, while we are on the topic, how do I select the time zone? I used tzselect, however hwclock still reports UTC...? |
| 05:55.12 | grendal_prime | all the aviation stuff is displayed int Zulu well its abreviated Z when you get metars and other weather reports |
| 05:55.14 | Woosta | Though on a more important (for me!) issue .. I've added the right repositories, but I don't get any source packages offered to me in Synaptic .. do I need to do anything else (I've reloaded the repositories and it got it fine) |
| 05:55.31 | lkjlkjlkj | recall, it's a sod of a job and I can't remember how ... I'm sure if I suggest a reinstall someone will remember how to fix it quickly enough |
| 05:55.46 | recall | A reinstall? *laughs* |
| 05:56.13 | roler | utc=yes it is!!!!! |
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| 05:56.41 | Paivakil | Woosta: you need to add deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:56.50 | Woosta | I've done that |
| 05:56.59 | Woosta | But I'm still not seeing the source packages |
| 05:57.21 | Paivakil | Woosta: deb <url> != deb-src <url> |
| 05:57.38 | Paivakil | then you should update |
| 05:58.31 | Woosta | I have done that too |
| 05:58.46 | Woosta | What do you mean here: (16:57:21) Paivakil: Woosta: deb <url> != deb-src <url> |
| 05:58.58 | Woosta | I don't just add '-src' to the lines? |
| 05:59.18 | Paivakil | Woosta: you should have lines starting with `deb-src' in sources.list |
| 05:59.45 | Woosta | Yes. I do. I put them there by duplicating the lines starting with 'deb' |
| 05:59.54 | Woosta | I then reloaded the package lists |
| 06:00.00 | Woosta | I don't see any source packages |
| 06:00.16 | ke6isf | Seems the wife had a little problem earlier with the install - she declared her hostname as 'chimera.chez-vrolet.net', and I don't know what she did on domain. =O.o= |
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| 06:01.01 | SerajewelKS | interesting... yahoo uses qmail as their MTA... |
| 06:01.09 | Paivakil | Woosta: what did you expect? |
| 06:01.10 | ralfWORK | yes |
| 06:01.14 | ralfWORK | it's sick and wrong |
| 06:01.18 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: all the big providers do |
| 06:01.24 | Guerin | except hotmail and gmail |
| 06:01.26 | grendal_prime | scew it im watching serinity... |
| 06:01.33 | ke6isf | Guerin: What does gmail use? |
| 06:01.33 | ralfWORK | all the big providers use Microsoft too |
| 06:01.35 | Woosta | I expect to find source packages available so I can install the qcad source |
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| 06:01.48 | ralfWORK | you won't find me moving to MS though :) |
| 06:01.55 | ke6isf | Heh, Speakeasy is on qmail too. |
| 06:01.56 | SerajewelKS | ralfWORK: yahoo uses apache, i think on some unix flavor |
| 06:02.07 | SerajewelKS | for www anyway |
| 06:02.18 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: I think we were talking about smtp.... |
| 06:02.20 | ralfWORK | SerajewelKS: okay... |
| 06:02.29 | sifi-x | WoodsDog, those are the lines you should have in sources.list: http://pastebin.com/492938 |
| 06:03.07 | sifi-x | Woosta, ^ |
| 06:03.14 | Paivakil | Woosta: does not synaptic have an option to install the sources? |
| 06:03.37 | SerajewelKS | ke6isf: i was replying to < ralfWORK> all the big providers use Microsoft too |
| 06:03.38 | Woosta | Paivakil: looks like it doesn't .. I've just read http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 06:03.42 | Woosta | I'll try what it says :) |
| 06:03.57 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: Ah. |
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| 06:04.30 | Paivakil | Woosta: from a command line, say apt-get install source <package> |
| 06:05.05 | Woosta | Just tried that .. E: Couldn't find package source |
| 06:05.43 | SerajewelKS | does exim have any kind of multi-domain setup where i can create different userlists per domain, and have the mail go into the right mailbox? |
| 06:05.50 | lunitik | Woosta: dumb question... you have a deb-src definition? |
| 06:05.54 | Woosta | GAH! |
| 06:06.01 | Woosta | apt-get source <package> |
| 06:06.09 | Woosta | Don't know if that's new or not, but that works. |
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| 06:06.14 | deadcat | what pkg is the resize command located? kbd? you know. the command resize that shows the COLUMNS and ROWS variables |
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| 06:06.17 | Guerin | ke6isf: i used to know, but I can't remember |
| 06:06.19 | Woosta | Despite what the referred web page says |
| 06:06.27 | Guerin | ke6isf: it's something of their own cooking, I think |
| 06:06.29 | zeballin3 | I just installed debian sid. I need a java run time for a web site I went to. What package do I get? |
| 06:06.35 | ke6isf | Guerin: That wouldn't surprise me. |
| 06:06.38 | duckdown | Hey all.. I'm trying to install the package 'kmuddy' through synaptic but it keeps telling me Package kmuddy has no available version, but exists in the database. |
| 06:06.42 | gravity | deadcat: xbase-clients. It got removed in xorg 6.9 though |
| 06:06.50 | gravity | I have to figure out what happened |
| 06:07.15 | Woosta | Paivakil: that only works when the docs are correct |
| 06:07.25 | deadcat | gravity: oh. why is it in an x package? x terminals? |
| 06:07.27 | Woosta | Fortunately apt-get --help WAS correct |
| 06:08.02 | gravity | Yes |
| 06:08.06 | Paivakil | Woosta: heh |
| 06:08.06 | Guerin | ke6isf: it's not displayed on their SMTP banner, anyways |
| 06:08.06 | deadcat | oh |
| 06:08.33 | deadcat | interesting. never thought about it would be in an X packge. |
| 06:08.49 | Paivakil | duckdown: sid, etch or sarge? |
| 06:08.52 | kspath | I worked with some tards that insisted that the banner show the version of the MTA |
| 06:09.04 | duckdown | Paivakil: sarge |
| 06:09.38 | duckdown | Is something wrong with my sources? |
| 06:09.44 | duckdown | It goes on to say maybe I'm missing important sources |
| 06:10.04 | recall | duckdown, have you looked at /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 06:10.07 | kspath | the banner was their way to check version numbers which is silly since you can version the thing on each machine without giving away obvious info to those scanning |
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| 06:10.24 | duckdown | recall: yes but I have no idea what I'm looking for.. it looks fine? |
| 06:10.43 | Stereo | hello folks |
| 06:10.54 | kspath | I could have set a different version and they would have been happy |
| 06:10.55 | recall | duckdown, nevermind, you said syntapic. What do the repository sources say there, stable, testing or unstable? |
| 06:11.03 | Guerin | kspath: heh |
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| 06:11.19 | duckdown | recall: I only have like like 3 entries, all say stable main |
| 06:11.36 | SerajewelKS | or let me rephrase the question: are there any MTAs in debian that support (1) handling multiple domains and (2) different users per domain while (3) not requiring those users to exist as system accounts and (4) provide access to the inboxes via POP or IMAP? |
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| 06:11.48 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: all of them |
| 06:11.57 | caphuso | SerajewelKS: none |
| 06:11.58 | SerajewelKS | and (5) without a massive reconfiguration |
| 06:12.06 | caphuso | it's not the friggin' job of a MTA to provide POP or IMAP |
| 06:12.07 | SerajewelKS | read: not exim |
| 06:12.08 | roler | mhall, well, it's working now. with UTC=no. I'm not sure why exactly because windows was set to -8.. but whatever. I wanted to say thanks. |
| 06:12.14 | Guerin | caphuso: true indeed. |
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| 06:12.19 | recall | duckdown, try doing aptitude install kmuddy, what's the error message then? |
| 06:12.20 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: exim4 and postfix being the two you should consider using |
| 06:12.22 | caphuso | that's what pop or imap servers are specifically made for |
| 06:12.26 | kspath | Sera: they all require some work of some kind learn one and use it |
| 06:12.33 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: ask dpkg about postfox howto |
| 06:12.41 | duckdown | deb file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build main , deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ stable main , deb-src http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ stable main , deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main <-- thats my entire sources.list |
| 06:12.49 | duckdown | recall: hang on |
| 06:13.00 | SimonRaven | fooking hell, i can't believe i didn't think of it before.... |
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| 06:13.31 | kspath | SimonRaven: B4? |
| 06:13.33 | SimonRaven | typical i think of it when i'm dead tired |
| 06:13.43 | foo | Isn't there a way to have my ssh reconnect on timeout? |
| 06:13.44 | duckdown | recall: No candidate version found for kmuddy |
| 06:13.59 | duckdown | recall: I got the official .deb from their official site, but I dont know how to fix all the dependancies |
| 06:14.06 | Stereo | I'm running into very stupid problems with test. [ $FOO -o $BAR ] && print yes returns yes, even though neither $FOO nor $BAR are set |
| 06:14.10 | duckdown | theres like 8 dependancies from the .deb |
| 06:14.11 | Stereo | what ma I doing wrong? |
| 06:14.15 | duckdown | I'm a noob :-( |
| 06:14.17 | Stereo | s/ma/am/ |
| 06:14.19 | SimonRaven | foo: there's keepalive options in the manuals |
| 06:14.25 | vyrus001 | anybody know what package includes tuncfg ? |
| 06:14.27 | foo | SimonRaven: hm, trying to find it in the config. |
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| 06:14.56 | pbrunier | vyrus001: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 06:14.59 | SimonRaven | sshd_config: KeepAlive yes |
| 06:15.08 | vyrus001 | pbrunier: its down :p |
| 06:15.10 | duckdown | I thought somebody told me of a program before that handles all the dependancies if you get a .deb package |
| 06:15.15 | duckdown | Does something like this exist? |
| 06:15.31 | Guerin | duckdown: apt-get |
| 06:15.35 | Guerin | duckdown: or aptitude |
| 06:15.38 | pbrunier | vyrus001: hmmm |
| 06:15.43 | pbrunier | vyrus001: TAP TUN ? |
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| 06:16.05 | duckdown | Guerin: I downloaded a .deb from a 3rd party website, but its spitting out a bunch of dependancy problems.. Doesn't apt just get packeges from sources.list ? If not, how do I install from a .deb |
| 06:16.39 | vyrus001 | pbrunier: not sure.l.. im installing a vpn app caled hamachi and it requires me to run a "tuncfg" only problem is when i run that i get a -bash: /sbin/tuncfg: No such file or directory |
| 06:16.45 | jadewolf | anyone here know how to setup an nvidia 6600 GT in debian with xorg 6.9? |
| 06:16.52 | recall | duckdown, so you are trying dkg -i package.deb now? |
| 06:16.56 | pbrunier | vyrus001: I guess it is inside tun |
| 06:16.58 | duckdown | recall: Yep |
| 06:16.59 | recall | s/dkg/dpkg |
| 06:17.06 | pbrunier | vyrus001: VPN tunnel ;) |
| 06:17.09 | duckdown | recall: but theres a bunch of dependancies |
| 06:17.25 | Guerin | duckdown: 0) don't use random packages from random 3rd party sites; 1) if you choose to ignore 0), rely upon the documentation on said websites for guidance; 2) apt-get -f install; MIGHT help |
| 06:17.41 | vyrus001 | pbrunier: sounds like it... is thre an apt package for that |
| 06:18.30 | pbrunier | not sure |
| 06:18.34 | pbrunier | give me a sec |
| 06:18.37 | pbrunier | there is tun-source |
| 06:18.43 | recall | duckdown, was this package built for Debian? |
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| 06:19.14 | Guerin | recall: more or less irrelevant |
| 06:19.19 | duckdown | recall:Yep it says Debian Package |
| 06:19.45 | Guerin | duckdown: that don't mean it was built for debian, as opposed to ubuntu, linspire, xandros, knoppix, etc... |
| 06:19.47 | recall | Guerin, not necessarily, if it's built for Debian, hopefully the dependencies at least match those provided... |
| 06:19.51 | Paivakil | duckdown: 3rd paties *may* build for testing / sid |
| 06:20.01 | mhall | rolet: yeah i told you it'd do that |
| 06:20.13 | Guerin | recall: well, there's a bunch of other factors at play. |
| 06:20.47 | Guerin | duckdown: what package? |
| 06:20.58 | duckdown | kmuddy |
| 06:21.02 | duckdown | is what its called |
| 06:21.11 | Guerin | wtf |
| 06:21.24 | Guerin | ask whoever packaged it |
| 06:21.38 | Guerin | this is one squarely in the NMFP basket |
| 06:22.06 | recall | How is anything here YFP? |
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| 06:22.19 | Guerin | recall: by M, I mean #debian |
| 06:22.21 | olczyk | I'm too tires to go on tonight. I have one question then will continue tomorrow. It is certain that the "stdarg.h" problem is caused by a missing file, and not a configuration problem? |
| 06:22.42 | recall | Guerin, it still doesn't mean you can't help people trying to use Debian. |
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| 06:23.11 | Guerin | recall: it does mean there's no real point. Only the people who packaged this thing know what dependencies it has. |
| 06:23.29 | duckdown | :( |
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| 06:23.31 | duckdown | brb |
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| 06:23.50 | gb | Guerin: you give them toomuch credit,perhaps they dont even know its dependencies :) |
| 06:24.02 | foo | I have ntpdate but where can I find a server for it? I can't seem to find a list on google or a server. hmm |
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| 06:24.41 | caphuso | foo: pool.ntp.org |
| 06:24.42 | Guerin | gb: google tells me it's being packaged for debian as we speak |
| 06:24.48 | Guerin | !info kmuddy |
| 06:24.56 | Guerin | though not yet |
| 06:25.06 | foo | caphuso: ah, thanks |
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| 06:26.15 | pbrunier | vyrus001: I guess you have to compile tun-source |
| 06:26.20 | vyrus001 | ... |
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| 06:26.37 | gb | Guerin: ahh yes google, the old garbage in garbage out script :) |
| 06:26.53 | pbrunier | http://vtun.sourceforge.net/tun/ |
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| 06:28.26 | lunitik | Anyone know where dpkg --set-selections preferences are stored? |
| 06:28.56 | caphuso | lunitik: the obvious place... /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 06:29.25 | lunitik | caphuso: totally obvious... lol... but thank you :) |
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| 06:30.32 | jm_ | people that can't figure that out will not know what to do with it anyway |
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| 06:33.15 | lunitik | caphuso: I'm confused, it doesn't seem to be enlightening as to how that file stores this info? |
| 06:34.15 | caphuso | lunitik: various combinations of open, lseek, write, ... |
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| 06:34.57 | lunitik | caphuso: here... it seems to be stating same as apt-cache show pkg , but apparently for everything installed... |
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| 06:35.20 | lunitik | caphuso: apt-get 0.6 here... maybe this changed? |
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| 06:35.41 | caphuso | lunitik: since when does apt-cache have a Status: field? |
| 06:37.11 | lunitik | caphuso: ahh... let me go look at that file again |
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| 06:38.29 | lunitik | caphuso: hmm... if I manually install pkg, then prior --set-selections things are cleared? |
| 06:39.11 | harryl | got this nasty hardrive clicking and banging when running Noatun |
| 06:39.14 | lunitik | caphuso: thats the first field I looks at actually... but the things I was holding said the same as everything else when I looked... so that much be true |
| 06:39.16 | caphuso | lunitik: yeah, because completely forgetting which packages are installed is the most sane thing to do before installing an additional package |
| 06:39.46 | lunitik | caphuso: alright... thank you |
| 06:39.51 | caphuso | lunitik: that was sarcasm |
| 06:40.25 | caphuso | lunitik: can we now skip the phase in which you finally admit that you have no idea what you are talking about and tell us what problem you want to solve instead of how you think you have to solve it? |
| 06:40.41 | harryl | killed the process and it stopped clicking and banging |
| 06:41.08 | harryl | sounded like I had gravel in the hardrive |
| 06:41.17 | servus | Did you get your yearly degravelling? |
| 06:41.17 | lunitik | caphuso: I have things on hold, that are now fixed, so do not need to be help any longer |
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| 06:41.25 | lunitik | held* |
| 06:41.49 | harryl | do you apt-get install degravel? |
| 06:41.59 | duckdown | Hey all.. I made a kernel using the make-kpkg and dpkg -i <kernel.deb> technique but that kernel wont boot.. How can I easily remove all the GRUB entries and files in /boot? Can I just do a dpkg -u <kernel.deb> ? |
| 06:42.03 | SerajewelKS | ok i've done most of the postfix configuration. now when i telnet to it (using the external IP) and i do a "mail from:<xxx@xxx>" the connection hangs. |
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| 06:42.25 | servus | SerajewelKS: When you telnet in, do you get the server banner? |
| 06:42.46 | SerajewelKS | servus: yes |
| 06:42.51 | SerajewelKS | servus: i can HELO and EHLO without error. |
| 06:42.59 | servus | Like "220 yourserver.com ESMTP Postfix? |
| 06:42.59 | lunitik | caphuso: I just did what dpkg says on the subject though... just figured there was a file that stated this for future reference |
| 06:43.00 | caphuso | oh, fun, the next episode of "SerajewelKS vs. MTA configuration" |
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| 06:43.14 | SerajewelKS | caphuso: indeed |
| 06:43.22 | servus | I recently had the extreme displeasure of setting up a Postfix multi-domain installation from scratch |
| 06:43.24 | SerajewelKS | mail.log says things like "localhost postfix/smtpd[1366]: warning: problem talking to service rewrite: Connection reset by peer" |
| 06:43.35 | harryl | if debian on slave drive and main drive is bad and not mounted will it still screw with debian |
| 06:43.47 | Paivakil | duckdown: you will need to do manual editing |
| 06:44.01 | SerajewelKS | harryl: probably not |
| 06:44.01 | duckdown | Paivakil: Ahhh okay, no problem.. thanks |
| 06:44.16 | harryl | killing Noatun stopped it though |
| 06:44.16 | liable | eh? apt will remove the grub lines.. |
| 06:44.20 | Paivakil | duckdown: update-grub may help - cannot recall if it will remove existing entries |
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| 06:45.33 | jm_ | liable: did downgrade fix your problem? |
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| 06:45.48 | liable | jm_: unfortunately not. |
| 06:45.50 | SerajewelKS | servus: so uhm yeah.. now what.. |
| 06:45.52 | harryl | what about just a corrupted audio file, can that drive the drive nuts? |
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| 06:46.19 | jm_ | liable: then one option would be to try to install it manually with just stage1 and stage2 files and d flag |
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| 06:46.42 | jm_ | harryl: does kernel report any errors when that happens? |
| 06:46.45 | Satan | how would I fix my pc from freezing at hotplug |
| 06:46.54 | harryl | how do I get dmesg? |
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| 06:47.10 | bucky | Satan: cold day in hell? |
| 06:47.11 | servus | SerajewelKS: I'm really no good at it. Maybe someone will see something if your post your postfix main.cf? |
| 06:47.23 | polpak | I need help getting my laptop with i855 video card to clone the display to the CRT port |
| 06:47.24 | liable | jm_: will look into that, but i got a funny feeling its not grubs fault. Actually I guess i might try lilo and see what happens :) |
| 06:47.59 | SerajewelKS | servus: mail.log is filled with errors related to trivial-rewrite.. should i pastebin that? |
| 06:48.00 | harryl | I see ide1: reset: success |
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| 06:48.18 | Satan | bucky: do you have any idea on how to fix it |
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| 06:48.38 | Satan | bucky: I have tried countless google searches, and its sad to say but it didin't tell me much |
| 06:48.38 | polpak | At the very least I'd like to get the Xorg conf configured to clone the display. I don't care about the consoles |
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| 06:49.07 | Paivakil | harryl: by saying `dmesg' on the command line |
| 06:49.37 | harryl | did that andsee hdc: DMA disabled |
| 06:49.37 | Paivakil | Satan: what are you trying to hotplug |
| 06:49.40 | Satan | i'm not |
| 06:49.43 | jm_ | harryl: and error= and status= codes? |
| 06:49.43 | Satan | its a defualt |
| 06:49.46 | Satan | I wish to turn it off |
| 06:49.53 | Satan | when I load my kernel |
| 06:49.57 | Satan | the damn thing is in there :( |
| 06:50.02 | Satan | and it always freezes |
| 06:50.10 | linckraker | is there no kdeaddons package in etch? |
| 06:50.18 | harryl | dont see thatstuff just what from boot |
| 06:50.24 | Paivakil | Satan: you mean you cannot boot up because hotplug is doing somthing? |
| 06:50.27 | Satan | yes |
| 06:50.35 | Satan | hot plug just freezes |
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| 06:50.49 | Paivakil | running debian? updated something recently? |
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| 06:51.09 | Satan | its ubuntu actually, but its based of debian |
| 06:51.15 | Guerin | Satan: /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 06:51.20 | Guerin | Satan: bah |
| 06:51.20 | jm_ | :) |
| 06:51.24 | Paivakil | !ubuntu |
| 06:51.24 | Guerin | Satan: fuck off to #ubuntu |
| 06:51.24 | dpkg | i guess ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 06:51.29 | Guerin | you twat |
| 06:51.36 | gravity | Guerin: Calm down |
| 06:51.41 | Jebediah | Hails! I just switched to GMT from local time zone setting and now my clock will not display 24 hour time. Any ideas? |
| 06:51.58 | Guerin | gravity: yes. |
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| 06:52.05 | Paivakil | Jebediah: kde? gnome? |
| 06:52.12 | harryl | why doesnt dmesg show anything other than what boot did |
| 06:52.13 | Jebediah | Paivakil: neither |
| 06:52.32 | jm_ | harryl: because that's what dmesg does ... |
| 06:52.36 | Satan | Paivakil: you familar with it? |
| 06:52.42 | SerajewelKS | i'm really starting to think that MTAs just plain hate me |
| 06:52.51 | Jebediah | harryl: that is what /var/log/messages is for |
| 06:52.53 | Paivakil | Jebediah: look into your locales |
| 06:52.58 | harryl | ok how about continuous dialog what shows that? |
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| 06:53.21 | harryl | ok will have a look |
| 06:53.33 | Jebediah | Paivakil: ahh, that could be... I will check that out, ty. |
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| 06:53.50 | Paivakil | Satan: try #ubuntu - we do not use ubuntu here - though it has some visually appealing wallpapers |
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| 06:54.01 | Satan | I did |
| 06:54.17 | metaperl | what is a nice calendar / appointment program for Debian/testing? |
| 06:54.24 | polpak | I need help getting my laptop with i855 video card to clone the display to the CRT port |
| 06:54.32 | Paivakil | Satan: try booting into single user mode and `dpkg --purge hotplug` |
| 06:54.35 | Eno_ | cal |
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| 06:55.40 | Jebediah | Paivakil: LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" ... would this be incompatible with GMT? |
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| 06:56.31 | jm_ | Jebediah: do you know what effect LC_TIME has? |
| 06:56.40 | polpak | I need help getting my laptop with i855 video card to clone the display to the CRT port |
| 06:57.00 | polpak | not to be spammy, but I'm at a loss |
| 06:57.13 | harryl | ok read the messages and hardrive keeps resetting |
| 06:57.14 | Jebediah | jm_: vaguely... I do not remember it having a problem with local time (CST) |
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| 06:57.38 | Jebediah | changed them all when I moved to UTF-8 but I reckon that was wrong |
| 06:58.16 | SerajewelKS | postfix/trivial-rewrite[1701]: warning: connect to mysql server 127.0.0.1: Host 'localhost.localdomain' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server |
| 06:58.25 | SerajewelKS | okay uhm, what the heck |
| 06:58.28 | harryl | ide_dma_test_irq) called while not waitng |
| 06:58.56 | Jebediah | harryl: irq conflict? |
| 06:59.12 | harryl | main drive's DMA disabled? |
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| 06:59.27 | polpak | Does anyone know how to set up xorg.conf to do a cloned display? |
| 06:59.36 | sanxiyn | I think I found a Mozilla bug. Should I fight Bugzilla again... :( |
| 06:59.38 | Satan | well thanks much for the help guys |
| 06:59.47 | Jebediah | harryl: is it? |
| 06:59.59 | Jebediah | hdparm should tell |
| 07:00.04 | harryl | would debian deisable it? |
| 07:00.35 | harryl | is that bios? |
| 07:00.35 | Jebediah | harryl: it might have as a sensible default, but it's been a long time since I installed |
| 07:00.44 | Jebediah | harryl: nope, that's OS |
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| 07:00.52 | Jebediah | harryl: well, sorta, it could be either |
| 07:01.05 | jm_ | DMA is disabled after disk errors |
| 07:01.25 | harryl | main drive is doing it and that one been weird for long time |
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| 07:01.39 | fooz | omg, after using OO.o I realize how ridiculous those Slashdot articles about large organisations with many users switching to OO.o are |
| 07:01.42 | fooz | it's a heap of crap |
| 07:01.55 | Octave_Octet | Hi, since I installed kernel 2.6.15 I have no sound (I have sound if I revert to 2.6.14). Any idea ? |
| 07:02.07 | SerajewelKS | fooz: IMO it's less of a heap of crap than Office |
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| 07:02.18 | fooz | no, no it's not. Office works. |
| 07:02.26 | SlayerXP | Octave_Octet: you forgot to include the correct drivers for your sound card. |
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| 07:02.27 | Gnea | fooz: OO.o doesn't work? |
| 07:02.30 | fooz | no. |
| 07:02.39 | Gnea | then your side is broken |
| 07:02.43 | fooz | I can lock it up in 3 seconds. |
| 07:02.49 | jm_ | yes, it works great - you try and change some formatting in Word and it fucks up the entire document, some people call that "works" |
| 07:02.53 | sanxiyn | fooz: Heh. |
| 07:02.59 | Octave_Octet | SlayerXP: I just installed the linux-image package. Usually I do not have to bother about it |
| 07:03.06 | Gnea | works fine here, maybe you've got ad/spyware installed :P |
| 07:03.11 | fooz | Furthermore, after killing it, reloading it, and watching it say it's successfully recovered my document, |
| 07:03.12 | sifi-x | fooz, dont you think that Sun is involved |
| 07:03.20 | recall | jm_, MS calls it 'Works' too. =) |
| 07:03.24 | sanxiyn | jm_: "Doesn't work" for OOo usually means "it doesn't import MS format perfectly", which is true. |
| 07:03.25 | harryl | how about a boot floppy? is there a program to do that so I can disable bad main drive? |
| 07:03.26 | fooz | I find that the "recovered document" is the one I initially loaded like, an hour ago |
| 07:03.31 | jm_ | recall: hehe |
| 07:03.35 | fooz | minus ANY changes I've done in the last hour |
| 07:03.53 | Gnea | fooz: your system is fucked, simple as that. go try it on a fresh system. |
| 07:03.55 | liable | jm_: well, funnily, after installing lilo, it now hangs longer at the "thinkpad" bios screen, but after picking a kernel, I got a message about 'bios data check successfull' after about a 15 sec pause.. |
| 07:04.21 | jm_ | sanxiyn: I hardly ever use OO.o, can't say - I sometimes use Gnumeric to load Excel spreadsheets |
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| 07:04.29 | Octave_Octet | fooz: I remember that the autosave option was turned off by default in my install. Which is a very thoughtful default setting |
| 07:04.38 | fooz | it has no trouble loading my word document; it has trouble *editing* it |
| 07:04.42 | sifi-x | liable, try grub |
| 07:04.50 | SlayerXP | lordy, it's _cold_ outside. |
| 07:04.57 | SlayerXP | i just had to go out to plug the car in |
| 07:05.14 | Gnea | battery charger? |
| 07:05.18 | fooz | Gnea, there's nothing wrong with my computer. |
| 07:05.24 | jm_ | liable: shouldn't it display BIOS data check successful before loading boot loader? or is that a lilo message? haven't used lilo for years |
| 07:05.24 | sanxiyn | fooz: Hm, attaching problematic document (if it isn't secret) to the bug report may help debugging. |
| 07:05.30 | liable | sifi-x: i just removed grub to try lilo and see if it made a difference.. |
| 07:05.35 | SlayerXP | Gnea: car heating system. heats up the engine block and the inside of the car. |
| 07:05.48 | jm_ | slayer192: you should buy remote controlled heater ;) |
| 07:05.49 | sanxiyn | fooz: OOo does have some bugs. |
| 07:05.50 | jm_ | gah |
| 07:05.51 | Gnea | SlayerXP: how cold is it there? |
| 07:05.52 | sifi-x | liable, ok |
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| 07:05.58 | SlayerXP | Gnea: -16c right now |
| 07:06.17 | liable | jm_: i am buggered if I know, googling. (would make sense to say it before..) |
| 07:06.18 | SlayerXP | jm_: I have one, it still has to be plugged in to the mains, though :) |
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| 07:06.46 | harryl | I've got CD's on primary and HD's on secondary, Is that problem? |
| 07:07.05 | SlayerXP | harryl: I don't know, is it? |
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| 07:07.17 | harryl | could it cause problems? |
| 07:07.18 | jm_ | SlayerXP: ehh? good heaters have their own engine that plugs into car's fuel lines and uses it for power, you just click a button on the remote and it starts heating the car up or you set a timer |
| 07:07.37 | fooz | jm_, you can't start a car if the oil is frozen into a solid |
| 07:07.44 | SlayerXP | jm_: you don't _want_ to switch of a diesel engine when it's much colder than about -10 |
| 07:07.49 | SlayerXP | switch on |
| 07:08.02 | jm_ | yes, you should not buy tractors in cold areas ;) |
| 07:08.12 | fooz | SlayerXP, what happens? |
| 07:08.15 | SlayerXP | jm_: bmw 325 tds, thanks :) |
| 07:08.20 | jm_ | SlayerXP: I know, a tractor |
| 07:08.25 | SlayerXP | fooz: you get 10,000km of wear in 10km |
| 07:08.49 | SlayerXP | jm_: I don't know any tractors that do over 200km/h :) |
| 07:09.32 | fooz | omg, OOo has a clippy |
| 07:09.40 | harryl | oh well make a boot disk and disconect gravel drive |
| 07:09.44 | Jebediah | doh! Stupid 12 hour time :( I see my problem now |
| 07:09.45 | SerajewelKS | hey, postfix works |
| 07:09.53 | SlayerXP | SerajewelKS: I don't believe you. |
| 07:09.53 | m4rz | im trying to install gtk+2.8.9 and when i make install it says "No rule to make target 'install'. Stop." anyone know why? |
| 07:10.10 | fooz | except when you click it, it says "The hlp system could not be started." how useful |
| 07:10.18 | polpak | I need help getting my laptop with i855 video card to clone the display to the CRT port |
| 07:10.24 | polpak | anyone? |
| 07:10.35 | SerajewelKS | fooz: i think you need to install the documentation first? |
| 07:10.44 | SerajewelKS | SlayerXP: i almost don't believe me either |
| 07:11.09 | Jebediah | polpak: I think an X.org mail list would be your best bet :-/ |
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| 07:12.22 | SlayerXP | still, it could be worse, it could be qmail |
| 07:12.42 | polpak | Jebediah, unfortunately time is of the essience.. I pretty much have to get this figured out tonight =( |
| 07:13.32 | fooz | wish I had time to learn LaTeX or something |
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| 07:15.05 | Jebediah | polpak: doh! where mailinglists fail :( |
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| 07:16.34 | SlayerXP | fooz: I found learning docbook quite rewarding |
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| 07:19.12 | mhall | Hey, the #mambo Mambo CMS channel is marked invite only. WTF should I do? |
| 07:19.39 | SlayerXP | mhall: get an invite. |
| 07:20.05 | new_bie | is there a gvim package for debian user? |
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| 07:20.25 | SlayerXP | new_bie: apt-cache search gvim |
| 07:20.31 | mhall | SlayerXP: thanks |
| 07:20.34 | mhall | SlayerXP: that helps |
| 07:20.44 | SlayerXP | np |
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| 07:23.54 | naphex_ | what is the minimal local-only mail-transport-agent I should install (to satisfy dependencies of 'at' among others)? |
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| 07:25.08 | jm_ | naphex_: things like ssmtp or nullmailer (apt-cache search mail-transport) |
| 07:25.29 | jm_ | or masqmail |
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| 07:27.35 | Beleys | Bjour |
| 07:27.41 | thedingus9 | hey |
| 07:27.47 | naphex_ | jm_: thanks. I used aptitude search and it showed almost nothing. apt-cache search answers my question. |
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| 07:28.26 | thedingus9 | any of you guys know how to mount a samba share as read write? |
| 07:29.02 | orpheus | why is it that aptitude wants to replace the same packages over and over and over? does it not realize that the version numbers are the same? |
| 07:29.16 | metaperl | what is a nice calendar / appointment program for Debian/testing? |
| 07:29.19 | orpheus | dingus: how are you trying to do it? |
| 07:29.33 | thedingus9 | mount smbfs |
| 07:29.55 | orpheus | it's odd that it does it RO, guess that's the default |
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| 07:30.09 | orpheus | did you try " -o rw " ? |
| 07:30.15 | thedingus9 | yah |
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| 07:30.26 | orpheus | metaperl: evolution works for me |
| 07:30.29 | thedingus9 | it mounts rw for root only |
| 07:30.56 | orpheus | odd |
| 07:30.58 | thedingus9 | and it won't allow me to chmod the file |
| 07:31.29 | thedingus9 | I can only have write access for one user at a time |
| 07:31.42 | foot | thedingus9, might be in your smb.conf on server machine |
| 07:31.47 | orpheus | i don't really kow |
| 07:31.54 | orpheus | *know |
| 07:32.26 | thedingus9 | doesn't smb.conf effect the smb server? |
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| 07:34.32 | Paivakil | is it possible to get archives of a debian mailing list as a .mbox file? |
| 07:34.33 | foot | yes, you can decide permissions there for your shares... |
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| 07:35.07 | thedingus9 | I am trying to mount a remote smb fs on my linux box |
| 07:35.22 | thedingus9 | its working fine on the server box |
| 07:36.06 | thedingus9 | is there a way to set uid wild cards? |
| 07:36.12 | foot | but, is it set up on the server to be rw-able? |
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| 07:37.15 | jm_ | you can mount it with given uid, gid, dmaks and fmask - man smbmount |
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| 07:39.03 | zeballin3 | what is the difference between a package called 'kernel-image' and one called 'linux-image" ??? |
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| 07:39.16 | sep | zeballin3, the name |
| 07:39.22 | jm_ | :) |
| 07:39.23 | caphuso | if the server is samba, and the client a unix box, then you should be using cifs instead of smbfs |
| 07:39.28 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 07:39.41 | jm_ | yes, and possibly enable CIFS Unix extensions |
| 07:39.43 | zeballin3 | come, on give me a break. |
| 07:39.44 | caphuso | that ought DTRT with permissions etc |
| 07:39.48 | SlayerXP | who has bot programming skills? I have an action I'd like adding. |
| 07:39.54 | sep | zeballin3, truly that is the only difference |
| 07:40.09 | zeballin3 | Why the duplication? |
| 07:40.16 | sep | zeballin3, from now on forward. the kernel packagees have a new name |
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| 07:40.42 | zeballin3 | sep: what is the new name... kernel-image or linux-image? |
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| 07:40.50 | sep | zeballin3, linux-image |
| 07:40.50 | onweald_tim | Need help plz. I debootstrap a mounted ext3 formatted file. When I try to umount it, I get an error"device or resource is busy". I suspect that this is because ext3 is a journaling file system. |
| 07:41.06 | onweald_tim | Is there a way to get ext3 to "finish up" whatever is locking the loop file? |
| 07:41.06 | caphuso | onweald_tim: no, it's because it's busy |
| 07:41.07 | sep | zeballin3, that's obviously since there can be other kernels then the linux one. |
| 07:41.43 | sep | onweald_tim, use lsof or simiar to find out what process uses the directory |
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| 07:41.46 | onweald_tim | caphuso: Why is it busy? I have finished the debootstrap and am ready to umount it. wazup? |
| 07:41.51 | zeballin3 | sep: thanks. I appreciate the answer. New to debian .... coming from slackware. apt-get is a killer. Love it. |
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| 07:42.02 | sep | onweald_tim, you'r not standing inside the directory are you ? :) |
| 07:42.02 | caphuso | onweald_tim: something is still accessing it. probably a shell you cd'ed into it |
| 07:42.10 | Paivakil | onweald_tim: close all open files in that drive, get out of the directories, if you are in them, and then unmount should work |
| 07:42.35 | sep | zeballin3, we all do :) |
| 07:43.22 | zeballin3 | sep: I installed apache2 and php and worked out of box, no config headaches, etc. (But you know that by now.) In slack I'd still be hacking httpd. conf. |
| 07:43.51 | zeballin3 | apt-get is the 'crown jewel' of linux, without a doubt. |
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| 07:44.05 | onweald_tim | caphuso/Paivakil: I'll see if I have left a hole open. Could it be that I chrooted into the mount? e.g. "chroot /mnt/tempmount apt-get update" |
| 07:44.17 | onweald_tim | e.g. a problem with chrooting? |
| 07:44.18 | new_bie | SlayerXP, thanks |
| 07:44.35 | caphuso | onweald_tim: anything that accesses the filesystem will keep it busy |
| 07:44.43 | caphuso | onweald_tim: so stop accessing it |
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| 07:45.36 | onweald_tim | caphuso: simple answer :-) I'll see if I can figure out what is accessing it. Thanks for the help. (lsof is interesting) |
| 07:45.37 | davv | how's it going |
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| 07:47.39 | onweald_tim | caphuso/sep/Paivakil: Shite Moslem. I had cd'd into the folder. Thanks for the "look for the obvious". Its been a long night. :-) |
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| 07:49.52 | liable | well, lilo is hanging less than grub, so i guess i'll stick with it untill i can find more info.. |
| 07:50.13 | Kaz_64 | can someone help me with this network error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/OWrBOe94.nln.html |
| 07:50.45 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: exim can be configured for doing so, but you're going to have to make friends with exim |
| 07:50.47 | Jebediah | Kaz_64: try as root? |
| 07:50.52 | Kaz_64 | it is |
| 07:50.58 | Jebediah | Kaz_64: k, just checking |
| 07:51.02 | thedingus9 | jm_ --thanks a million you sugestion for sugestion, the i changed the dmask and fmask to 777 |
| 07:51.04 | caphuso | Kaz_64: nothing to be done |
| 07:51.39 | HermanDE | Kaz_64: What type of nic? |
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| 07:51.48 | HermanDE | Kaz_64: Is it supported my mii tool? |
| 07:51.52 | SerajewelKS | Zugschlus: are you lagging a lot? |
| 07:51.55 | Kaz_64 | LNE100TX linksys |
| 07:51.57 | Kaz_64 | tulip |
| 07:52.14 | thedingus9 | *jm_ --thanks a million you for the sugestion, i changed the dmask and fmask to 777 |
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| 07:56.42 | Zugschlus | SerajewelKS: Guilty of sleeping. Sorry for trying to help you. I'm not going to repeat that mistake. |
| 07:57.26 | Cobain | how could i figure out why apache is eating so much memory? if i let it run for 8 hours it will take all of my ram and most of my swap |
| 07:57.40 | Jebediah | Kaz_64: hot diggity, I got that card in my server but it's down :( |
| 07:58.05 | Kaz_64 | debian can see it, just not talk to it |
| 07:59.57 | Gnea | Cobain: are you running any cms with that? |
| 07:59.58 | jm_ | thedingus9: sure |
| 08:00.05 | Jebediah | Kaz_64: maybe some module options? Any messages in /var/log/messageS? |
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| 08:00.08 | thedingus9 | it worked great |
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| 08:00.20 | neuterspay | Can anybody point me in the direction of a good, stable, sources.list file? |
| 08:00.38 | Cobain | ya |
| 08:00.47 | Gnea | !sources.list |
| 08:00.47 | dpkg | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to /etc/apt/sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list, |
| 08:00.57 | Gnea | Cobain: are you sure it hasn't been hacked? |
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| 08:01.14 | Cobain | Gnea, i dont believe so |
| 08:01.25 | Cobain | i just installed the latest slash |
| 08:01.28 | Cobain | and it started doing it |
| 08:01.49 | Kaz_64 | all it says is -- MARK -- |
| 08:01.53 | Gnea | what happens if you uninstall slash |
| 08:02.30 | neuterspay | Gnea: I'm not having problems adding unofficial sites to my sources.list - I'm brand new to linux and looking for a sources.list to overwrite mine with; a good stable one, preferrably - but can't seem to find what I'm looking for on google. Thought I'd ask you guys. |
| 08:02.44 | liable | neuterspay: apt-setup |
| 08:03.15 | neuterspay | liable: command not found. :( |
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| 08:03.20 | Cobain | hmm ya my slash is screwed.. i cant get it removed |
| 08:03.33 | liable | neuterspay: as root.. |
| 08:03.34 | jm_ | !tell neuterspay -about installit |
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| 08:03.41 | Gnea | neuterspay: apt is to be run as root |
| 08:03.56 | neuterspay | Gnea: Aware of that. |
| 08:04.12 | Jebediah | Kaz_64: means nothing to report... |
| 08:04.23 | nprice | Any advice on using a SATA cdrom with amd64 debian? apparently the stock kernel on the install cd does not have ATAPI over SATA support. |
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| 08:04.40 | Gnea | Cobain: slash is kinda stupid anyhow, did you configure it or use default values? |
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| 08:04.43 | Jebediah | Kaz_64: I'd say take a look with modinfo at the tulip module or the mii module and see if there is an option that may help. Further look at the source files that build that module |
| 08:04.43 | AaG|BlackHat | hi |
| 08:04.43 | Paivakil | neuterspay: you running debian? |
| 08:04.46 | jm_ | nprice: that would be correct, because it has old kernels on it |
| 08:04.58 | neuterspay | Geez - you guys are dicks - I'm a newbie but I'm not an idiot. I'm aware of EVERYTHING you guys are saying - I came here for advice. |
| 08:04.59 | themusicgod1 | kdelibs4 depends on kdelibs-data...but kdelibs-data conflicts with kdelibs4? |
| 08:05.07 | neuterspay | paivakil: Yep. MEPIS |
| 08:05.09 | Cobain | Gnea, what values? in slash? |
| 08:05.12 | Gnea | !mepis |
| 08:05.12 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
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| 08:05.24 | nprice | jm_: the newer kernels from the kernel team have atapi over sata enabled? |
| 08:05.37 | Gnea | Cobain: no, that's mepis, not debian. dicks? you sure know yourself there huh... |
| 08:05.44 | Paivakil | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.50 | nprice | jm_: or will i still end up installing my own |
| 08:05.54 | Gnea | errr |
| 08:05.55 | Paivakil | lol |
| 08:05.56 | Gnea | Cobain: sorry. |
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| 08:06.02 | jm_ | nprice: Linux SATA page lists it as of Dec 15th |
| 08:06.04 | liable | neuterspay: well, you are an idiot, because mepis *isnt* debian and thats probably why you dont have apt-setup, because it *is* a part of debian base install.. |
| 08:06.14 | Gnea | !beer Cobain |
| 08:06.19 | Gnea | :} |
| 08:06.21 | Cobain | heh |
| 08:06.26 | Cobain | not another please |
| 08:06.29 | nprice | jm_ can i get a link to that please? sounds like something that'd be nice to have as a reference |
| 08:06.33 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 08:06.43 | Kaz_64 | well aprently i need to replace pci-scan.o as a kernel module |
| 08:06.54 | Kaz_64 | but i can get it to compile |
| 08:06.57 | djp | do i need to worry about a message concerning vesafb at boot time? it tells me something along the lines of "probe failed". |
| 08:06.57 | jm_ | nprice: first link on Google for "Linux sata" |
| 08:06.59 | Kaz_64 | *can't |
| 08:07.02 | Jebediah | Kaz_64: ahh-ha! There you go |
| 08:07.06 | Jebediah | hmm, what's the error? |
| 08:07.13 | Gnea | Cobain: uhm, i tried using slash once and it had some very funky setup values - i wound up going with drupal eventually |
| 08:07.23 | Cobain | Gnea, it looks as if slashd died on me i had to rm the pid to uninstall |
| 08:07.27 | Kaz_64 | there are tons... how do i out put to a file? |
| 08:07.34 | Gnea | Cobain: ah |
| 08:07.43 | Cobain | Gnea, my site is named smokedot.. im trying to move it back to slash |
| 08:07.47 | Gnea | Cobain: with enough work though, i'm sure slash works just fine :) |
| 08:07.47 | Cobain | =) |
| 08:08.41 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.48 | Gnea | that the same site? |
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| 08:09.12 | Jebediah | Kaz_64: can you paste like before? |
| 08:09.12 | Cobain | ya |
| 08:09.16 | Gnea | nice |
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| 08:09.29 | nprice | jm_: ATAPI over sata has been supported prior to 2.6.15, i am wondering if it is enabled on the debian kernel team's kernels yet |
| 08:09.34 | kombi | how do you make a module load on boot? |
| 08:09.39 | jm_ | nprice: no it hasn't |
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| 08:09.56 | Kaz_64 | Jebediah: too long, fills up the terminal |
| 08:10.01 | nprice | jm_: i used it prior to .15, it was marked experimental (i believe) but it was there |
| 08:10.02 | Cobain | thanks |
| 08:10.11 | nprice | i'm pretty sure anyways |
| 08:10.11 | nprice | hehe |
| 08:10.41 | AaG|BlackHat | hm.. guys.. may i disturb u for a lil newbish question? - i m rly new to that whole linux/debian stuff.. i actually got a root server.. and i m trying to install a teamspeak2 server.. i did a user named "ts" did a home dir for him /home/ts and made him the owner of this directory.. but when i m starting the server by "./teamspeak-server_startscript start" i m getting the error: server_linux: server_linux: cannot execute binary file :( guys.. |
| 08:10.52 | Cobain | now for some reason zope got half way installed and now it fails setting up installing it or removing it |
| 08:10.57 | kombi | anyone? |
| 08:11.23 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 08:11.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 08:11.39 | Gnea | kombi: /etc/modules |
| 08:12.18 | kombi | thanks Gnea! |
| 08:12.21 | jm_ | nprice: yeah 2.6.14 looks to have it, and it's apparently enabled via ibata.atapi_enabled=1 |
| 08:12.25 | jm_ | libata even |
| 08:12.28 | kombi | easy, isn't it.. |
| 08:12.31 | AaG|BlackHat | hm.. |
| 08:12.36 | Gnea | AaG|BlackHat: it doesn't run as root? |
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| 08:13.11 | Kaz_64 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/85wiE311.nln.html is the comile command |
| 08:13.12 | AaG|BlackHat | Gnea: i tried to start it as root aswell but then it tells me that that'S no good idea for security reasons.. and it doesnt work too.. |
| 08:13.14 | nprice | trying the latest amd64 etch daily build businesscard iso |
| 08:14.11 | liable | AaG|BlackHat: whats the perms on the file? |
| 08:14.42 | AaG|BlackHat | liable: u mean the chmod? i ve set it to 777 |
| 08:14.43 | Cobain | Gnea, how do i figure out why i cant configure zope? |
| 08:15.02 | Gnea | AaG|BlackHat: well if you can't get it running as root then it definately isn't going to run as a regular user... you'll need to uncompress it to that users homedir as that user and probably configure it first |
| 08:15.33 | Gnea | Cobain: not sure, i always compiled it by hand. i don't like the way debian sets up apache. |
| 08:16.16 | AaG|BlackHat | Gnea: k i try it once more :) |
| 08:16.25 | AaG|BlackHat | Gnea: i hope it'll work this time |
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| 08:17.09 | Jebediah | Kaz_64: what kernel vers? |
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| 08:19.23 | kombi | module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel, what does that mean? |
| 08:19.30 | Kaz_64 | Jebediah: here is the right command http://rafb.net/paste/results/ah2mns10.nln.html |
| 08:20.01 | Kaz_64 | i copied that straight into the terminal |
| 08:20.02 | cheal | !tell kombi about nvidia-howto |
| 08:20.08 | Gnea | kombi: it means that it isn't using a GPL license. doesn't mean anything, it just says the module is released differently |
| 08:20.22 | liable | kombi: its a closed source module, that taints the kernel. you can safely ignore it |
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| 08:20.38 | kombi | thanks people! |
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| 08:21.05 | Jebediah | Kaz_64: so it built? |
| 08:21.38 | linuxfreck | kombi: http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s1-18 |
| 08:21.41 | Jebediah | kombi: you can ignore it until you try to report a problem about the kernel, but yes, generally of little consequence |
| 08:21.44 | Kaz_64 | no, too many errors |
| 08:21.50 | Jebediah | faen |
| 08:22.23 | Jebediah | I ask again what kernel? Some of the later 2.6.x have been bitchy if you forget to build something it depends on |
| 08:22.53 | Kaz_64 | umm |
| 08:22.57 | Kaz_64 | i think 2.4 |
| 08:23.02 | Kaz_64 | one sec |
| 08:23.21 | Kaz_64 | ya 2.4 |
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| 08:25.24 | dzik_25 | Hello to all |
| 08:26.52 | AaG|BlackHat | Gnea: k i ve got still the same problem |
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| 08:27.46 | Jebediah | Kaz_64: hmmm. Interesting. 2.4 is pretty solid in my experience. |
| 08:27.51 | Cobain | !packages |
| 08:27.51 | dpkg | packages is, like, a file you can parse with grep-dctrl, or apt-get install auto-apt, auto-apt update, auto-apt search <the_file_you_want> |
| 08:28.04 | Kaz_64 | how can i upgrade to 2.6? |
| 08:28.06 | kombi | eth1 does not appear in dmesg, what might be wrong? |
| 08:28.07 | AaG|BlackHat | Gnea: i deleted the old ts user, after that i added a new user named "ts" created his home dir "home/ts" gave him his permission and extracted the tss2 files.. |
| 08:28.22 | AaG|BlackHat | ts@debian3164lamp:~/tss2_rc2$ ./teamspeak2-server_startscript start |
| 08:28.22 | AaG|BlackHat | starting the teamspeak2 server |
| 08:28.22 | AaG|BlackHat | ./teamspeak2-server_startscript: line 29: ./server_linux: cannot execute binary file |
| 08:29.13 | Paivakil | AaG|BlackHat: open the startscript file, and look what line 29 is |
| 08:29.15 | Jebediah | Kaz_64: maybe a newer 2.4 would do it? |
| 08:29.45 | liable | AaG|BlackHat: paste the results of ls -l ./ tss2_rc2 to a paster |
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| 08:30.01 | kombi | just out of couriosity, what does teamspeak do? |
| 08:30.03 | liable | without the space.. |
| 08:30.17 | AaG|BlackHat | teamspeak is a voicechat |
| 08:30.27 | kombi | ok.. |
| 08:30.30 | Kaz_64 | Jebediah: how can i get a 2.6 kernel |
| 08:30.47 | kombi | Kaz_64: try apt-get |
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| 08:31.01 | Gnea | AaG|BlackHat: is ./server_linux there? what's its mode? |
| 08:31.03 | Kaz_64 | how do i search for packages? |
| 08:31.12 | AaG|BlackHat | sec. |
| 08:31.12 | jm_ | Kaz_64: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:31.18 | Paivakil | Kaz_64: apt-cache search |
| 08:31.31 | kombi | why might eth1 not appear in dmesg? |
| 08:31.34 | AaG|BlackHat | ls -l ./ tss2_rc2 to a paster << in which directory shall i start that command? |
| 08:32.01 | AaG|BlackHat | ah kk |
| 08:32.04 | AaG|BlackHat | sec. |
| 08:32.33 | Jebediah | kombi: no module for it? |
| 08:32.53 | Cobain | does anyone know if zope is broke in sarge? |
| 08:32.54 | kombi | Jebediah: hmm, should be there (nvnet).. |
| 08:33.02 | Cobain | its stuck in not installed |
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| 08:33.55 | Jebediah | Cobain: check the package page for it |
| 08:33.59 | liable | Cobain: unlikely, but check bts |
| 08:34.08 | AaG|BlackHat | liable: i ve pasted the results to a qry |
| 08:34.21 | AaG|BlackHat | Gnea: how can i see it's mode? |
| 08:34.25 | Jebediah | kombi: module is loaded? If so try unloading and reloading, watch /var/log/messages and dmesg |
| 08:34.37 | AaG|BlackHat | Gnea: and yes its in that folder |
| 08:34.43 | dimir | Moooooorning! |
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| 08:34.52 | AaG|BlackHat | good morning :) |
| 08:34.52 | liable | AaG|BlackHat: paste it in #flood or a paster |
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| 08:35.23 | AaG|BlackHat | liable: done. |
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| 08:36.12 | liable | AaG|BlackHat: hrm, looks ok. (permissions-wise) |
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| 08:36.36 | AaG|BlackHat | hm.. dont u think i should change the ownership to ts? |
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| 08:37.44 | liable | AaG|BlackHat: I guess you need to re read the docs that come with it :) |
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| 08:37.48 | AaG|BlackHat | i did .. |
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| 08:38.06 | AaG|BlackHat | liable: the docs just tell me that i ve to extract it and run that file |
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| 08:41.46 | lunitik | ~wb |
| 08:41.49 | apt | thx |
| 08:41.56 | lunitik | ~botslap |
| 08:41.58 | apt | Hey what was that for, lunitik? |
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| 08:42.06 | liable | lunitik: i would like them to ask first! :) |
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| 08:42.29 | lunitik | liable: foreal |
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| 08:43.01 | Guerin | liable: haha. ... evo is written by the gnome-kings |
| 08:43.17 | lunitik | liable: unfortunatly Evolution doesn't appear to obey much about GTK settings :/ |
| 08:43.25 | Guerin | liable: it's against their royal edicts to ask, nay, allow their users to change stuff |
| 08:43.51 | liable | actually i think it was xfce that did it. |
| 08:44.16 | liable | just upgraded it about 30 mins ago, but they only just changed.. |
| 08:44.18 | liable | ?? |
| 08:44.30 | Jebediah | liable: reloaded a file that was changed mebbe |
| 08:44.33 | lunitik | (on a side note, anyone know how to stop that? its freaking annoying!) |
| 08:45.16 | liable | Jebediah: musta. |
| 08:45.34 | liable | my firefox fonts have changed too. fuckers.. |
| 08:45.34 | Guerin | lunitik: don't use gnome/evolution -> problem solved |
| 08:45.37 | new_bie | what is the command to see the all installed programs? |
| 08:45.45 | Guerin | new_bie: dpkg --get-selections |
| 08:45.56 | lunitik | Guerin: not a good solution at all |
| 08:45.57 | new_bie | Guerin thanks |
| 08:46.01 | lunitik | ~hold |
| 08:46.02 | apt | well, hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect, or ... |
| 08:46.19 | lunitik | ohh... nm |
| 08:46.33 | Guerin | lunitik: no, not good ... perfect. |
| 08:46.42 | lunitik | Guerin: not at all |
| 08:46.57 | Guerin | lunitik: i guarantee it would solve your problem in 100% of all cases. |
| 08:47.06 | Guerin | hence, perfect. |
| 08:47.07 | liable | evi is about the only gnomeish think I actually like. |
| 08:47.10 | lunitik | Guerin: cuz then I'd have to pick something else... and there are something stupid like 25 other possibilities |
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| 08:47.11 | liable | evo too.. |
| 08:47.37 | Guerin | lunitik: what do you need? just an email client? |
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| 08:47.56 | lunitik | Guerin: I need a freaking button stop always being active |
| 08:48.03 | lunitik | Guerin: nothing else is wrong with it |
| 08:48.11 | Guerin | lunitik: oh. See above. |
| 08:48.27 | liable | lunitik: what do you mean by that anyway? |
| 08:48.31 | lunitik | Guerin: balsa, kmail... not my thing... mutt... no |
| 08:48.59 | lunitik | liable: here, the 'new' button in the top left is always active... |
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| 08:49.09 | liable | active? |
| 08:49.12 | Guerin | lunitik: sylpheed-claws-gtk2? chunderbird? |
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| 08:49.47 | lunitik | Guerin: thunderbird is too slow, sylpheed-claws-gtk2 I've never tried |
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| 08:50.27 | lunitik | Guerin: seriously though... since when was "use this instead" an answer to "how do I fix this one little tiny miniscule issue" |
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| 08:50.58 | Guerin | lunitik: well, honestly, my experience with gnomeware has always been 'if it's not one thing it's the next' |
| 08:51.17 | Guerin | lunitik: and then there's the fact that it's practically always unconfigurable |
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| 08:51.30 | Guerin | so I just tend to avoid all the hassle by using something else |
| 08:51.38 | Jebediah | Sylpheed is nice I must say. Respects all that GTK stuff |
| 08:51.47 | Guerin | lunitik: try sylpheed - it's similarish, but it's still pretty slow. |
| 08:51.54 | lunitik | Guerin: everything here is working... I don't feel like playing with other apps to get back to where I'm at not just because a freaking button is annoying me... its not hard to ignore it... I just asked how to get rid of it |
| 08:52.11 | Guerin | one thing i found that evo wasn't was slow - surprising, given that it's a ~20MB mail client |
| 08:52.23 | lunitik | Guerin: you're not being helpful... if you don't know the answer, just be quiet... seriously |
| 08:52.30 | Guerin | lunitik: ok. You get to stop whining about it, then. |
| 08:52.34 | jm_ | Sylpheed's GTK2 port appears slow after you switch from GTK1, but it's still about 1000 times faster to switch to a dir with 10000 mails than mutt |
| 08:52.38 | sep | what is wrong with my etch install, X freezes regulary. atlest several times a day. or i just loose keyboard (mouse moves but have no actions), i can still login with ssh, and reboot from there. restarting gdm or trying to kill Xorg dosn't work. |
| 08:53.52 | kapil | jm_: mutt with or without hcache? |
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| 08:54.00 | lunitik | Guerin: remind me to put you on ignore again later |
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| 08:54.07 | liable | now this is just getting a little weird, the fonts just changed back! |
| 08:54.07 | jm_ | kapil: without, good point, it's worth trying it again with that |
| 08:54.08 | Guerin | lunitik: why not do it now? |
| 08:54.18 | jm_ | I suppose I'll try mutt-ng again someday |
| 08:54.18 | lunitik | can't be asked :/ |
| 08:54.20 | Guerin | lunitik: after all, you've never been one to listen to good advice... |
| 08:54.29 | jm_ | that and the mbox list is what I missed in it |
| 08:54.49 | lunitik | Guerin: my personal preference says there is nothing better than Evolution for my needs... |
| 08:55.16 | Guerin | lunitik: and you say this having admitted that you've not tried one of the main competitors. |
| 08:55.27 | Guerin | lunitik: not that I care - I just wish you'd just STFU about it |
| 08:55.29 | deadline | _hi@all_ im running sarge with 2.6.12 (smp k7) kernel on an AMD opteron. the server has several SATA disk drives for storage, all of them connected to a 3ware controller, but no raid configuration is desired. the kernel doesnt see the drives, only the drive where the system is installed, and this one is connected to the mainboards' sata connector. how can i fix this issue? |
| 08:56.04 | liable | deadline: is the 3ware module loaded? |
| 08:56.15 | Guerin | yeh, i looked at mutt-ng, but my muttrc wouldn't work with it, so I cba |
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| 08:56.21 | Guerin | probably should, though |
| 08:56.59 | deadline | liable: do i have to load it manually? |
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| 08:57.16 | deadline | liable: i expected initrd would manage this |
| 08:57.17 | kapil | sep: you haven't provided enough detail. a lot of people (e.g. me) are running etch with X and a mouse. no freezing---except in the upper northern hemisphere :) |
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| 08:57.40 | liable | deadline: is it loaded? |
| 08:57.41 | lunitik | Guerin: can I transfer my mails stored in evolution over? is there something that I can use my evolution calendar for? |
| 08:57.53 | lunitik | Guerin: no? then your solution sucks |
| 08:57.55 | lunitik | the end |
| 08:58.58 | sep | kapil, thanks, then it's not a etch issue. ill kick the hardware some more. |
| 08:59.17 | Guerin | lunitik: the answer to #1 is, of course, yes. You didn't say you needed a calendar. There's no need to get snarky about it. |
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| 08:59.29 | Guerin | sep: percussive maintenance |
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| 09:01.15 | lewis | what is the default maximum number of recipients with exim4? |
| 09:01.29 | deadline | liable: as far as i know - no |
| 09:01.56 | liable | deadline: just check with lsmod, it not like its hard.. |
| 09:02.22 | deadline | liable: i know. but is the name exactly 3ware? |
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| 09:02.52 | liable | deadline: i dunno actually |
| 09:03.00 | themusicgod1 | hrm m m |
| 09:03.02 | sep | deadline, 3w-9xxx for 9000 series or later 3w-xxxx for the older |
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| 09:04.23 | deadline | sep: ok, module is loaded. normally i should see the drives now in /proc/partitions right? |
| 09:04.46 | sep | deadline, if you have configured the disks as JBOD then yes. |
| 09:04.53 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 09:05.09 | deadline | sep: how do you mean 'as JBOD' ? |
| 09:05.19 | sep | deadline, that means not as a part of a raid. |
| 09:06.15 | deadline | sep: oh ok. yes they are not part of the raid. i still dont see them in /proc/partitions. any other suggestion maybe? |
| 09:06.15 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
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| 09:06.27 | sep | deadline, but you have not configured them ? |
| 09:06.57 | deadline | sep: i did not. its not my machine. how can i check to be sure? |
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| 09:07.45 | sep | 3ware bios, tw_cli (3wares commando line utillity) or 3ware's web frontend if you havent installed any of them then you need to use the bios |
| 09:07.56 | Guerin | commando line! |
| 09:07.57 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 09:07.58 | Guerin | sweet |
| 09:08.05 | Guerin | is that a patch to bash? |
| 09:08.09 | deadline | lol |
| 09:08.10 | jm_ | he should that machine to me - I'll know what to do with it |
| 09:08.18 | jm_ | should send* |
| 09:08.25 | konfuzed | hey with the debian installer is there and option to have it boot a shell from ramdisk and enable running fsck or other repair tools |
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| 09:08.41 | deadline | jm_: you wish :) 12x400GB storage |
| 09:08.44 | sep | konfuzed, alt+f2 |
| 09:08.46 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 09:08.47 | jm_ | konfuzed: you can get to a console ... |
| 09:08.54 | konfuzed | i want to do a surface scan and permanently mark bad sectors and |
| 09:08.55 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 09:08.55 | jm_ | deadline: but you don't know how to use it! |
| 09:09.11 | deadline | jm_: heh...i will find out, im sure :) |
| 09:09.22 | streuner | konfuzed: mark bad sectors? |
| 09:09.23 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 09:09.25 | kapil | konfuzed: there is also a rescue mode in the debian installer (at least for etch). |
| 09:09.30 | Guerin | konfuzed: why bother? Just throw the drive out. |
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| 09:09.41 | konfuzed | no I need a drive repair not an os repair |
| 09:09.41 | Guerin | konfuzed: after backing up what you can, naturally. |
| 09:09.42 | vovo4ka | hey! |
| 09:09.49 | streuner | konfuzed: badblocks, but you 'format' the disk new then |
| 09:09.51 | Guerin | konfuzed: there's no such thing as a drive repair |
| 09:09.56 | vovo4ka | how to now about disk usage? |
| 09:10.03 | Malagmyr | Can I use Debian as a thin client? Where should I go to get information on how to set things up so that one of my faster machines can do all the work for a slow laptop that's on my desk? |
| 09:10.05 | vovo4ka | i mean free space |
| 09:10.05 | konfuzed | well surface scan and mark bad blocks |
| 09:10.09 | streuner | konfuzed: check out /var/log/syslog |
| 09:10.24 | Guerin | konfuzed: once again: don't. If your drive has bad blocks, you need a new one. |
| 09:10.25 | jm_ | Malagmyr: use a display manager, it should be enough |
| 09:10.27 | streuner | konfuzed: if you got issues your HD is prolly damaged |
| 09:10.45 | kapil | vovo4ka: df |
| 09:10.59 | sep | deadline, in my tw_cli i'd do something like tw_cli maint createunit c0 jbod p[n] |
| 09:11.02 | konfuzed | there seems to be data corruption all over the drive that is interferring with running many things |
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| 09:11.27 | konfuzed | not my drive and so not my money to get another |
| 09:11.38 | konfuzed | it could be another hardware related problem |
| 09:11.40 | sep | deadline, it's years since it rebooted so i dont remember how the bios looks like |
| 09:11.41 | streuner | konfuzed: backup the data |
| 09:11.47 | Guerin | konfuzed: tell the person whose drive it is that they need a new one. |
| 09:11.49 | streuner | konfuzed: what FS? |
| 09:11.49 | konfuzed | ive turned off apic in the bios |
| 09:11.56 | Guerin | konfuzed: this is not complicated, it's simple. |
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| 09:12.07 | konfuzed | I already got them this whole box like a year and half ago |
| 09:12.20 | konfuzed | 5 or 6 hundred |
| 09:12.26 | konfuzed | WD 80 gig drive |
| 09:12.32 | Guerin | konfuzed: if you have a car, what do you do when a part wears out? Just keep driving? |
| 09:12.32 | konfuzed | sempron 2200+ |
| 09:12.41 | liable | konfuzed: you sound like you are in denial.. |
| 09:12.49 | konfuzed | fill in the holes and run it smooth |
| 09:13.04 | Guerin | konfuzed: except in many cases you can't. |
| 09:13.05 | Paivakil | some people nver learn... |
| 09:13.08 | Guerin | like in this case. |
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| 09:13.20 | Guerin | konfuzed: whatever, you've got your answer. |
| 09:13.27 | vovo4ka | kapil, thanx 8-) |
| 09:13.31 | Guerin | konfuzed: if you want to persist with this folly, read 'man badblocks' |
| 09:13.40 | Guerin | and all the very best to you |
| 09:13.41 | konfuzed | then I want definitive proof that a bad WD drive is the cause of these problems |
| 09:14.03 | fooz | grrrr... i hate sourceforge |
| 09:14.10 | fooz | always going down when I need to use it |
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| 09:14.15 | konfuzed | there seems to be odd hangs and power reset even but only when the bos is over there and not when ever I have it for testing |
| 09:14.29 | Paivakil | fooz: dont rant - support them by providing a mirror ... |
| 09:14.51 | kapil | konfuzed: perhaps the boss has a (strong) magnetic personality :) |
| 09:14.51 | konfuzed | other than the gnome system was rather corrupt and had to dpkg-reconfigure a few things to restore some settings files |
| 09:15.01 | konfuzed | perhaps |
| 09:15.03 | fooz | they have a lot more money than I do |
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| 09:15.17 | konfuzed | I told him to test the power outlets in his room |
| 09:15.28 | konfuzed | deks beside his bed kind of deal |
| 09:15.36 | Guerin | konfuzed: we don't care. |
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| 09:16.22 | konfuzed | i know i just asked about how I can run fsck.ext 3 from install disk so that I can confirm 100% what the hell is up with the drive |
| 09:16.49 | Guerin | but fsck won't tell you a damn thing about the drive |
| 09:16.50 | bibe | hi all. What could be the main difference from linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-1 (from unstable) and linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-0bpo1 (from backports.org)? Is it only a rename of the sources to build binary packages with the correct version? |
| 09:16.53 | Guerin | only about the filesystem on it |
| 09:17.07 | jm_ | actually it can, it has -c option |
| 09:17.12 | Guerin | bibe: you'd need to read the changelogs to find out |
| 09:17.22 | konfuzed | then ive got the worng drive utility in mind then |
| 09:17.28 | bibe | Guerin : thanks |
| 09:17.37 | Guerin | konfuzed: badblocks is the utility to check the actual drive |
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| 09:17.38 | konfuzed | I suppose that would be bad blocks then |
| 09:17.49 | liable | konfuzed: see if WD have a checking util on floppy or someshit. |
| 09:18.01 | konfuzed | doesnt efsck run bad blocks when needed |
| 09:18.09 | liable | doesnt fsck actually run badblocks? |
| 09:18.14 | deadline | sep: just checked in the 3ware setup menu, the option 'export JBOD's' says 'no'. is this the right option to have NO raid configuration but single disks? |
| 09:18.18 | Guerin | liable: no. |
| 09:18.29 | Paivakil | bibe: !backport |
| 09:18.37 | jm_ | liable: yes |
| 09:18.41 | Guerin | it can, but fsck means 'filesystem check' |
| 09:18.59 | jm_ | Guerin: look at -c switch |
| 09:18.59 | liable | yes the -c switch |
| 09:19.02 | Paivakil | bibe: say /msg dpkg backports |
| 09:19.06 | Guerin | jm_: hence 'it can' |
| 09:19.19 | Cobain | does anyone have any idea how i can force zope to remove from apt? its stuck in not fully installed and it fails when trying to set it up |
| 09:19.24 | deadline | anybody else maybe? |
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| 09:19.27 | jm_ | Guerin: so you can't simply answer "no" to "doesnt fsck actually run badblocks?" |
| 09:19.33 | konfuzed | ok kewl so all of the drive checks and files system checks together for convenience |
| 09:19.39 | Guerin | jm_: does /bin/sh run badblocks? |
| 09:19.50 | jm_ | Guerin: no, the user does :P |
| 09:19.50 | Guerin | jm_: it can., with -e badblocks /dev/foo |
| 09:19.55 | konfuzed | now if I can just boot off this cd to run it |
| 09:19.57 | Guerin | the point is the same |
| 09:20.17 | konfuzed | or do I have to create a floppy from within the very same system to match the kernel version |
| 09:20.41 | jm_ | I guess you understood the question as "doesn't fsck always run badblocks" - I understood it as "does it run it if told to do so" |
| 09:20.48 | bibe | Paivakil : thanks, I see from the changelog that 2.6.15-1 -> 2.6.15-0bpo1 is only "* Rebuilt for sarge." and "* Built using gcc 3.3", so I think that using backports' package to compile my kernel (on a sarge box) should be ok. Is it? |
| 09:20.49 | Guerin | Cobain: you need to figure out why it's failing and remedy that. You could put the full output of the command on paster |
| 09:20.53 | Guerin | !paster Cobain |
| 09:20.53 | dpkg | Cobain: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 09:21.26 | Paivakil | bibe: use make-kpkg |
| 09:21.55 | liable | Guerin: well, if you read the badblocks man page it strongly suggests not to use it, which is what I vaguely recalled, and tells you to use the -c switch to fsck.. |
| 09:21.57 | konfuzed | so uh does the cd installer have an option to boot in single user mode with out stopping the hard drive |
| 09:21.57 | Guerin | jm_: yeah. |
| 09:22.03 | liable | Guerin: beer, not tea.. |
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| 09:22.16 | Cobain | Guerin, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1471 |
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| 09:22.21 | Guerin | liable: both those suggestions are wise. |
| 09:22.25 | alainlucas | hi |
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| 09:22.52 | Cobain | from what i can understand its trying to compile all of the python scripts |
| 09:22.55 | preglow | can anyone tell me if libgtkmm-2.4-dev is broken in testing, or is it just me? |
| 09:22.57 | davv | quit |
| 09:23.00 | bibe | Paivakil : yes, I know (in fact, I always did it using sid's linux-source packages), I only saw that now backports.org is bound to sarge (instead of woody as before) |
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| 09:23.13 | Cobain | and they are supposed to be compiled on runtime |
| 09:23.24 | alainlucas | How to redirect people from my website at the address xx.xx.xx.xx to a sub-directory of the site ? |
| 09:23.25 | Paivakil | bibe: it should kernel-package - you can build your own custom kernel using it, create a .deb for your custom kernel, and install th resulting deb |
| 09:23.38 | Cobain | but i dont know how to stop it from trying to compile them |
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| 09:24.11 | moret | hi! :P |
| 09:24.20 | Guerin | Cobain: delete /var/lib/dpkg/info/zope2.7.postinst and try again |
| 09:24.33 | moret | ei, I must write a document with formulas, but it is my first time, any idea? |
| 09:24.44 | Guerin | Cobain: compiling them at install time is fine, it's just that the script to do it appears to be broken. |
| 09:24.50 | moret | latex? kformula? kile? |
| 09:25.01 | konfuzed | ok I'll take any other method to test and confirm if this HD has trouble or not cause I cant run badblocks with the HDmounted read only |
| 09:25.01 | k8to | just fyi, the 2006 faq instructions needlessly add the release key to the user's keyring |
| 09:25.09 | k8to | this is incorrect |
| 09:25.16 | konfuzed | cant correct inodes like that either |
| 09:25.18 | Paivakil | moret: latex |
| 09:25.20 | Guerin | Cobain: if you actually need to install it, rather than deinstall it, you'll need to fis the postinst script |
| 09:25.22 | k8to | toodles! |
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| 09:25.32 | Cobain | ahh thank you |
| 09:26.07 | Jebediah | later fiends |
| 09:26.21 | Paivakil | moret: familiar with mark up? (any kind - html, docbook? sgml?) if so latex |
| 09:26.46 | Guerin | latex > x |
| 09:26.49 | Guerin | latex > * |
| 09:27.16 | jm_ | find some tutorials first though |
| 09:27.26 | sep | deadline, i'd say you need your raidcard to export jbods to bios for you to see jbod disks.. |
| 09:28.22 | moret | oks |
| 09:28.27 | moret | I'll use latex |
| 09:28.29 | moret | any manual? |
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| 09:28.35 | sep | deadline, but the easiest is just to try it. i think that i created a array of type jbod with only 1 drive for eatch drive. iirc |
| 09:28.41 | sep | but that's a ATA 8000 controller |
| 09:29.01 | Paivakil | moret: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq |
| 09:29.27 | Paivakil | also, google for lshort - it is the ``not so short manual for latex' |
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| 09:30.24 | konfuzed | ok booted in recovery mode what can I do to test this drive and repair moderate file system corruption |
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| 09:30.49 | konfuzed | the thing will boot into gnome and basically run everything ecept when tripping over bad inodes |
| 09:30.50 | moret | thanks, is latex in debian tetex? |
| 09:31.00 | moret | latex is not found |
| 09:31.34 | preglow | is there any way to find out if a package is broken, or if it's just me being a fool? |
| 09:31.52 | Paivakil | moret: apt-get install tetex-base tetex-bin tetex-extra |
| 09:32.20 | Paivakil | tetex-base may not be there if you are on sarge/etch |
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| 09:33.03 | Paivakil | preglow: dpkg -l <package> |
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| 09:33.41 | Paivakil | preglow: if the first two alphabets against the <package> are ii, it is installed and configured |
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| 09:34.07 | preglow | dpkg says it doesn't even exist, while apt-get clearly reacts to it |
| 09:34.14 | preglow | but just has serious dependency problems |
| 09:34.18 | basti_ | hi guys. after dist-upgrade I have the (notorious) problem that neither umlauts nor meta works in xterm. I know this has to do with the xterm.eightBitInput and xterm.metaSendsEscape resources. Thats why i set those in .XResources, many moons ago. And now it doesn't work anmore, for no obvious reason. |
| 09:35.06 | Guerin | preglow: output of apt-get -f install; to a paster |
| 09:35.26 | Paivakil | preglow: try this `apt-get -f install` |
| 09:35.38 | Guerin | basti_: use rxvt-unicode-ml :) |
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| 09:35.55 | konfuzed | so i run fsck.ext3 and I get couldnt find EXT2 superblock |
| 09:36.02 | konfuzed | but I can ping google |
| 09:36.24 | Dewi | sorry about the OT, but: is pentium4 32 or 64 bit? |
| 09:36.24 | Guerin | konfuzed: ... and what gives you the idea that these are connected? |
| 09:36.27 | Paivakil | konfuzed: sure you are on a ext3 filesystem? |
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| 09:36.30 | Guerin | Dewi: 32 |
| 09:36.37 | Dewi | Guerin: what are the 64 bit intel things called? |
| 09:36.38 | Paivakil | Dewi: 32 |
| 09:36.39 | preglow | Guerin: http://pastebin.com/493048 |
| 09:36.45 | Paivakil | em64T |
| 09:36.53 | Dewi | Paivakil: in market speak |
| 09:37.04 | Paivakil | xeons, i think |
| 09:37.05 | konfuzed | EXT3 is EXT2 with journalling |
| 09:37.11 | konfuzed | of some sort |
| 09:37.15 | Dewi | so there's no 64 bit pentiums? |
| 09:37.20 | fooz | Pentium 4s come in 32 and 64 bit, single and dual core. |
| 09:37.23 | fooz | they have numbers, not names. |
| 09:37.24 | Dewi | fooz: okay |
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| 09:37.32 | Guerin | preglow: that's not the output we wanted. Just apt-get -f install; - no packages |
| 09:37.42 | fooz | I can't tell you which numbers mean 64 bit, because i don't use toy processors |
| 09:37.45 | deadline | sep: so you would suggest just to set the option to "YES" ? actually im curious if the kernel's 3w-9xxx supports my card (the card is a 9550SX) |
| 09:37.46 | Dewi | fooz: so I have a CPU here. I can't see the top because it's got a heatsink on it. Is it 32 ot 64 bit? :P |
| 09:37.46 | konfuzed | fsck doesnt care if its also called ext3 |
| 09:38.00 | Guerin | Dewi: if you have to ask, it's 32 bit |
| 09:38.15 | konfuzed | and that is the message from running fsck.ext3 |
| 09:38.15 | preglow | Guerin: that doesn't output much, just states 2 packages not upgraded, which is because they're held back |
| 09:38.29 | Dewi | Guerin: I don't think it's dependent on whether I need to ask |
| 09:38.33 | Paivakil | Dewi: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:39.05 | Dewi | Paivakil: sigh. no disks atm... maybe knoppix is a good idea here |
| 09:39.23 | Guerin | preglow: ok. So you have no problem, other than the fact that that package is uninstallable in your current distro. Which is what? |
| 09:39.32 | preglow | etch |
| 09:39.34 | Guerin | Dewi: no, really. If you don't know which you have, you have a 32-bit cpu. |
| 09:39.44 | Dewi | Guerin: that's kind of a stupid statement |
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| 09:39.50 | Guerin | Dewi: no, it's not. |
| 09:39.50 | preglow | and i'm starting to realise this kind of situation is pretty common in testing... |
| 09:39.53 | fooz | Dewi, but probably true |
| 09:39.54 | Dewi | Guerin: you seem to be assuming this CPU is mine |
| 09:39.56 | Guerin | preglow: yeah. |
| 09:40.05 | preglow | oh well, time for a stable reinstall |
| 09:40.07 | Dewi | Guerin: and not something I pulled out of a data centre earlier today |
| 09:40.07 | Guerin | Dewi: then s/you/whoever bought it/ |
| 09:40.27 | fooz | Guerin, if it was in a data centre, it's probably 32 bit |
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| 09:40.47 | Guerin | in any case, 32-bit will work perfectly on it |
| 09:40.57 | Dewi | yeah |
| 09:40.59 | fooz | or as perfectly as anything can on a P4 |
| 09:41.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:41.09 | AaG|BlackHat | hm.. |
| 09:41.11 | AaG|BlackHat | re |
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| 09:41.42 | AaG|BlackHat | hey guys.. i m still on the same problem .. is it possible that i cant run teamspeak on a 64bit sempron system? :P |
| 09:42.07 | sep | deadline, yes. if in doubt read the card's manual. and dmesg should tell you if the module recogniced the card |
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| 09:42.38 | Guerin | AaG|BlackHat: if you're running a 64-bit os, you might find that the teamspeak binaries only work on 32-bit |
| 09:42.43 | konfuzed | chocolate any one |
| 09:42.51 | Guerin | AaG|BlackHat: you'd have to ask them; this is not a debian problem. |
| 09:42.58 | deadline | sep: well dmesg tells me that the driver is loaded, but nothing else about the card itself |
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| 09:43.16 | AaG|BlackHat | Guerin: yes i m running a 64bit debian.. is there anyway to run 32bit programms on debian? |
| 09:43.25 | AaG|BlackHat | Guerin: on debian_64 i mean .. |
| 09:43.30 | konfuzed | gee it shbould would be easir if I had a 100 bucks to blow on a replacement drive |
| 09:43.35 | deadline | sep: oh i see 0000:01:03.0 RAID bus controller: 3ware Inc: Unknown device 1003 this should not be OK, right? |
| 09:43.37 | Guerin | AaG|BlackHat: yes. /j #debian-amd64 and ask about making a 32-bit chroot |
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| 09:43.47 | liable | AaG|BlackHat: it may have helped if you mentioned this an hour ago.. |
| 09:43.48 | AaG|BlackHat | Guerin: big thx |
| 09:43.57 | konfuzed | unless thats not the real problem |
| 09:44.07 | Wille88 | why base-config don't work under chroot: http://vankila.org/base-config.log |
| 09:44.17 | AaG|BlackHat | liable: sure :( sry i didnt know that this can be a problem.. just read about it in a forum... |
| 09:44.20 | sep | deadline, was that from lspci ? |
| 09:44.29 | deadline | sep: yes |
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| 09:44.42 | sep | deadline, update-pciids |
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| 09:44.46 | xim | anyone here would like to suggest a web photo gallery app? |
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| 09:44.55 | Guerin | this is why 99% of people with amd64 cpus should still be running x86 |
| 09:44.58 | ircdevil | xim: gallery |
| 09:45.05 | deadline | sep: WOW..0000:01:03.0 RAID bus controller: 3ware Inc 9550SX SATA-RAID |
| 09:45.10 | ircdevil | xim: or check out fuzzmonkey (google) |
| 09:45.11 | Guerin | xim: libapache-gallery-perl, aka gallery::perl |
| 09:45.31 | konfuzed | Guerin: uh whys that? I missed something about the amd64 |
| 09:45.42 | xim | thanks Guerin and ircdevil |
| 09:45.46 | Guerin | konfuzed: ? |
| 09:45.46 | ircdevil | np |
| 09:46.06 | Wille88 | is it possible to run the commands which base-config runs manually? |
| 09:46.23 | deadline | sep: the hardware seems to be recognized now, right? what can i do more to get it working? |
| 09:46.45 | Guerin | konfuzed: amd64 running a pure 64-bit OS yields practically no benefit for most users, and makes running certain software (openoffice, sun java, flash, etc.) bloody difficult |
| 09:46.49 | jm_ | Wille88: it works |
| 09:47.04 | konfuzed | yeah ive started to notice a few pains in the but |
| 09:47.11 | Wille88 | jm_: how? |
| 09:47.15 | sep | deadline, lspci only tell you what's in your machine, it's the kernels job to talk to the thing. configure your drives as JBOD and see if you can recognice them |
| 09:47.18 | konfuzed | what about for video production of some kind |
| 09:47.22 | jm_ | Wille88: how did you chroot? |
| 09:47.30 | konfuzed | not for me but someone who doe sthat sort of thing |
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| 09:48.15 | Guerin | konfuzed: still no huge benefit unless you have mega shitloads of ram - and in any case, sane people still use macs for video editing |
| 09:48.41 | konfuzed | their dieing to get into linux really I want to set them up on amd 64 bit hardware and debian |
| 09:48.47 | Guerin | the one thing that macs are actually good at :) |
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| 09:49.09 | konfuzed | with nvidia and phillips video |
| 09:49.13 | PuGz | hey guys. i just got a gmail account. how can i copy all the emails on my mail server to my gmail? |
| 09:49.16 | Guerin | konfuzed: do them a favour - if they have less than 2G ram, install 32-bit |
| 09:49.17 | PuGz | i have already setup redirecting -> but i wanna copy the emails that i already have into the gmail |
| 09:49.18 | Wille88 | jm_: sudo -H chroot /tftpboot/vdr |
| 09:49.27 | Gandalfar | How do I clear `host` cache so my updated /etc/hosts settings get used? |
| 09:49.33 | jm_ | Wille88: is /proc mounted in chroot? |
| 09:49.33 | konfuzed | he kinda wants a mac replacement istead of 10,000 dollars for software licenses |
| 09:49.37 | Guerin | PuGz: forward them all to you@gmail.com |
| 09:49.40 | Wille88 | jm_: yes |
| 09:49.45 | spatulasnout | anyone recommend a particular identd? i see there about a half dozen to choose from.... i just need one for postgres auth, so far. |
| 09:49.47 | PuGz | Guerin: then they would have the wrong sender |
| 09:50.00 | jm_ | Wille88: is /tftpboot/vdr a mount point? |
| 09:50.09 | Guerin | PuGz: since gmail doesn't do imap, there's no copying them across. |
| 09:50.10 | Wille88 | jm_: /sys, devpts and tmpfs are also mounted |
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| 09:50.21 | Wille88 | jm_: yes |
| 09:50.23 | konfuzed | 2 gig ram is sortof a thresh hold for useful 64 bit video then ? |
| 09:50.27 | Guerin | konfuzed: there's no such thing as a replacement for $10,000 of software licenses if he's actually serious about editing multimedia |
| 09:50.34 | jm_ | Wille88: running this in Knoppix perhaps? |
| 09:50.43 | Wille88 | jm_: nope. debian sarge. |
| 09:50.51 | PuGz | Guerin: exactly |
| 09:50.59 | jm_ | Wille88: make sure it's not mounted with nodev option and that /dev in chroot is populated |
| 09:51.06 | konfuzed | well the amiga had quite a fab video suite |
| 09:51.11 | deadline | sep: ok ill try. you'll be around? |
| 09:51.15 | Guerin | konfuzed: if he just wants to arse around, there are a few things in debian and free software which might do the trick, but this is one of the three or so areas in which free software really, really lags behind proprietary software. |
| 09:51.17 | Gandalfar | konfuzed: tried cinelerra 2.0? |
| 09:51.19 | konfuzed | cant we run that in zen ro something |
| 09:51.28 | konfuzed | cinelerra is on the list |
| 09:51.31 | Wille88 | jm_: /dev is populated under chroot |
| 09:52.07 | Guerin | konfuzed: if you've ever actually used adobe premiere or comparable software to edit viddeo, you'll agree that cinelerra is a bit feeble |
| 09:52.17 | Gandalfar | konfuzed: we just had a video workshop where participants used cinelerra and the end results were really nice |
| 09:52.39 | Wille88 | jm_: I said wrong. /tftpboot/vdr is _not_ a mount point |
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| 09:52.41 | konfuzed | hmmm well what about something like yellow dog or darwin ? |
| 09:52.54 | Guerin | konfuzed: ? |
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| 09:53.10 | jm_ | Wille88: can't download your base-config log right now, sorry |
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| 09:53.29 | Wille88 | jm_: why? |
| 09:53.44 | jm_ | Wille88: I am at work, it's not a problem on your end ;) |
| 09:53.47 | konfuzed | well perhpas yellow dog is just linux on power pc |
| 09:53.52 | Wille88 | jm_: ah. ok :) |
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| 09:54.05 | xim | brb |
| 09:54.18 | Guerin | konfuzed: unless he's a pro video editor, he'll probably be fine with cinelerra. And if he was a pro video editor, he'd have no problems dropping ten grand on an editing box |
| 09:54.24 | konfuzed | darwin is supposed to be an open sourcce replacement for mac os x |
| 09:54.33 | konfuzed | and enable running it s software |
| 09:54.34 | Guerin | lord knows a film editing kit costs a hell of a lot more than that |
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| 09:54.40 | Guerin | konfuzed: it's a kernel, it's not an OS. |
| 09:54.53 | liable | damn camera lenses cost more than that.. |
| 09:54.58 | StuartL | Anyone else having issues with apt mirrors, public keys and failing to get sources.list to work? |
| 09:54.59 | konfuzed | he a camera guy whos into film |
| 09:55.07 | konfuzed | hes never had a mac |
| 09:55.15 | konfuzed | but hears of the software of course |
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| 09:55.25 | Guerin | liable: yeah ... when I was in film skool, I looked at spending a year's student loan on an old crappy 16mm file camera |
| 09:55.28 | bizkit | !tell StuartL about 2006 key |
| 09:55.43 | Guerin | film camera, of course |
| 09:55.48 | konfuzed | and knows all the industry uses premiere which is not perfect either |
| 09:56.01 | liable | Guerin: its mad what descent photo kit costs.. |
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| 09:56.23 | Guerin | konfuzed: it's like photoshop. Most people don't need 90% of what it can do, but the few people who really do need it can;'t do without it. |
| 09:56.30 | konfuzed | so hes been trying to must 2 to 3 grand for the hardware for close to a year |
| 09:56.30 | Guerin | liable: yeah, it's scary. |
| 09:56.39 | konfuzed | s/must/muster/ |
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| 09:57.19 | Guerin | liable: i also considered buying a dv cam for my road trip ... but decided I a) didn't have the money and b) was already enough of a target |
| 09:57.26 | konfuzed | he doesnt really need to learn premiere and do daily editing work |
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| 09:58.05 | liable | Guerin: heh, the target bit would be the biggest consideration thing i reckon, unless you can afford to lose it and not care. |
| 09:58.12 | konfuzed | but would be voer pleased to redo a bunch of his past video work and perhaps even do some preliminaries for commercials or pitching work |
| 09:58.13 | Guerin | yeh |
| 09:58.16 | Guerin | which I can't |
| 09:58.39 | StuartL | bizkit: Looks good, thanks. |
| 09:58.50 | StuartL | bizkit: Still can't get the US mirror to work but the UK one works fine now. |
| 09:59.17 | nuoaro | Anyone here has got 'splashy' working? Directfb error is usually due to what reason? |
| 09:59.21 | Gandalfar | konfuzed: are you sure about this that industry uses premiere? |
| 09:59.21 | konfuzed | does debian 64 handle video like that any better or worse than debian 32 bit |
| 09:59.30 | konfuzed | film industry |
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| 09:59.35 | basti_ | Guerin: now how do I get rxvt to understand umlauts? |
| 09:59.37 | Gandalfar | konfuzed: I though industry used something more powerfull like finall cut pro and such |
| 09:59.43 | Guerin | liable: so I've stuck with my old nikon digital still camera, which is as beat up and manky as you like (even has camo-print gaffer tape holding the cf door shut), and a ~1997 laptop |
| 09:59.48 | konfuzed | adobe and I cant remember |
| 09:59.57 | Gandalfar | konfuzed: depends on the software |
| 09:59.57 | konfuzed | they made the O2 and such |
| 10:00.05 | konfuzed | maya |
| 10:00.10 | Gandalfar | konfuzed: cinlerra is already ported to smp and 64-bits |
| 10:00.14 | konfuzed | alias |
| 10:00.15 | Guerin | basti_: entering them, or viewing them? You also need urxvt - the normal one doesn't do unicode. |
| 10:00.21 | konfuzed | Gandalfar: kewl |
| 10:00.27 | basti_ | i mean, entering latin-1 ones |
| 10:00.31 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:00.36 | Guerin | !extended chars |
| 10:00.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, extended chars is to enter chars like ïÇô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñ, or the complete list of combinations is in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/*/Compose, where * depends on your locale (iso8859-1 is default), or similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys ... |
| 10:00.41 | liable | Guerin: safe bet, even my oldish 4.0MP digital prints damn nice pictures up to 8x12 |
| 10:00.55 | konfuzed | ah yes final cut pro |
| 10:01.01 | liable | more than good enough |
| 10:01.01 | konfuzed | thats what I was trying to rememebr |
| 10:01.02 | basti_ | hmmm |
| 10:01.03 | Guerin | liable: yeah, mine is 5MP, my wife's is 4MP, they're both pretty rugged. |
| 10:01.08 | Guerin | liable: and interchangeable parts |
| 10:01.10 | konfuzed | I hate content development my self |
| 10:01.13 | basti_ | i don't want to -compose- them. I got keys on my keyboard for them. |
| 10:01.21 | streuner | basti_: http://channel.debian.de/faq/ch-bugs.html#s-perllocale |
| 10:01.29 | konfuzed | let someone else spends days weeks and months on their video fantasy flops |
| 10:01.29 | Guerin | basti_: oh. No idea, then. SOrry. |
| 10:01.57 | basti_ | streuner: thanks, that might have been a valuable hint |
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| 10:02.48 | basti_ | streuner: but, no, my problem goes together with meta not working |
| 10:02.56 | basti_ | (in xterm, in rxvt it works) |
| 10:03.09 | streuner | so use rxvt then? |
| 10:03.11 | konfuzed | he s not an edit but he is a film camera guy and wants to do some traditionally basic vid editing tricks , what ever that is |
| 10:03.48 | basti_ | streuner: the umlauts still dont work there. |
| 10:04.16 | streuner | basti_: ok, change the env. then |
| 10:04.16 | konfuzed | so he doesnt have to spend 5 grand on hardware and 10grand on sfotware just to mess with is home videos and may be do some thing more than that |
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| 10:04.31 | basti_ | hmm |
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| 10:04.38 | streuner | basti_: in X and for console |
| 10:04.48 | konfuzed | like trasnfer to digital and add headings and clip parts out or somethig |
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| 10:05.16 | nuoaro | which video camera can upload directly to a pc thro' usb? |
| 10:05.21 | basti_ | "change the env"? like how? |
| 10:05.39 | konfuzed | my self id like to prove it can be done on amd 64 with nvidia |
| 10:05.57 | streuner | basti_: change /etc/enviroment to 'LANG=de_DE@euro |
| 10:06.12 | basti_ | ah |
| 10:06.13 | streuner | basti_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 10:07.07 | basti_ | let's see |
| 10:07.12 | xim | ircdevil, i can't find any apps called fuzzmokey |
| 10:07.29 | bizkit | basti_: you don't need de_DE for umlauts |
| 10:07.29 | konfuzed | more important ly though how can I run some drive util to coroborate if there is a hardware problem with the drive or its surface area or if the data corruption is just from bad shut downs |
| 10:07.42 | jakeisawake | I imported the gpg key as stated when msg dpkg but I still get NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D on unstable Release |
| 10:07.44 | streuner | basti_: and last not least set in XF86Config-4 Input Files 'Option "XkbLayout" "de" |
| 10:08.16 | basti_ | streuner: well i have had a correct keyboard layout before the upgrade, so i don't think thats the problem |
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| 10:08.59 | streuner | basti_: well, if you don't think it help just ask somebody else |
| 10:09.26 | streuner | basti_: my 'umlaute' just work ;-) |
| 10:09.40 | basti_ | streuner: don't do dist-upgrade then. |
| 10:09.50 | streuner | bullshit |
| 10:10.07 | bizkit | !beer streuner |
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| 10:11.36 | deadline | The package linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7-smp needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive....how can i clean this up ? |
| 10:11.54 | streuner | deadline: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 10:12.13 | basti_ | oh, not to forget: I can't switch to the console anymore, since, guess what, alt doesn't work. |
| 10:12.15 | Guerin | deadline: download the package and put it in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 10:12.18 | basti_ | or input the "at" sign |
| 10:12.26 | Guerin | basti_: wtf |
| 10:12.27 | basti_ | for that effect |
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| 10:13.26 | deadline | streuner: what value are you interested in? |
| 10:13.30 | deadline | Guerin: did so, same problem |
| 10:13.42 | basti_ | I'll kill my x-server |
| 10:13.45 | streuner | deadline: the whole output you got with the command i gave you |
| 10:14.00 | deadline | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 10:14.06 | deadline | streuner: 500 ftp://ftp.debian.nl stable/main Packages |
| 10:14.10 | streuner | that's sarge |
| 10:14.13 | deadline | yes |
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| 10:14.25 | basti_ | there i am again |
| 10:14.26 | Guerin | deadline: try installing the kernel with dpkg -i |
| 10:14.29 | konfuzed | ok prehaps I can get a read log of the bad blocks or something and then manually add that to the bad block listing |
| 10:14.39 | streuner | and you want use an kernel of unstable |
| 10:15.13 | deadline | streuner: problem is...its needing initramfs-tools which i dont have. and cant install now because of that apt problem |
| 10:15.16 | delire | after a testing/unstable upgrade vim64 gives a "filetypedetect bufRead" error when activating :syn on. this anyone elses experience? |
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| 10:16.44 | deadline | what package do i need to install for the initramfs-tools ? |
| 10:17.23 | Guerin | deadline: you need to not be using stable |
| 10:17.25 | Guerin | deadline: or you need to be using a backport |
| 10:17.40 | deadline | Guerin: for initramfs-tools ? |
| 10:17.52 | Guerin | deadline: it's not in stable. |
| 10:18.26 | deadline | Guerin: any other alternative tool? |
| 10:18.40 | deadline | Guerin: i cannot upgrade this machine to testing, its not mine |
| 10:18.56 | Guerin | deadline: use a kernel in stable. |
| 10:19.11 | SWAT_work | I installed the kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 yesterday on my Sarge system. Then I reboot to use the new kernel (running 2.4 previously). After the GRUB 'text' it just stops, could the problem lie in menu.lst? |
| 10:19.19 | Guerin | deadline: or use backported kernel and initramfs; or build your own kernel which doesn't need the above evilness |
| 10:19.20 | deadline | Guerin: i cant i need 2.6.15 for the raid controller's driver |
| 10:19.37 | Guerin | deadline: sucks massively to be you. |
| 10:20.31 | deadline | yes...cant i install just .deb for this tool from another distro (testing) by dpkg -i ? |
| 10:20.36 | Guerin | no. |
| 10:20.42 | deadline | why |
| 10:21.04 | Guerin | it'll depend on other thing which will depend on other things which will depend on other things, and you'll suddenly find yourself in dependency hell |
| 10:21.13 | deadline | ok |
| 10:21.18 | Guerin | this is why you don't mix distros |
| 10:21.27 | Guerin | you want to follow my advice, above |
| 10:21.43 | deadline | can i somehow fetch the config file out of the 2.6.15 .deb and compile from source with this one? |
| 10:21.51 | bizkit | !tell deadline about compile kernel |
| 10:21.59 | deadline | bizkit: i know, thanks anyway |
| 10:22.21 | bizkit | deadline: grep the config from /boot/config-* |
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| 10:22.36 | deadline | bizkit: its not installed... |
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| 10:22.45 | Guerin | deadline: yes, but it won't really help you much since that kernel needs an initramfs of some sort |
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| 10:22.57 | sanxiyn | Hello, can anyone reproduce this? firefox 1.5.dfsg-3. |
| 10:23.02 | Guerin | deadline: if you build your own kernel, configure it such that it doesn't need an initrd or yaird or anything |
| 10:23.05 | sanxiyn | 1. Go https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=207706 |
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| 10:23.10 | sanxiyn | 2. Press "End" key. |
| 10:23.17 | bizkit | deadline: then get the source package.. however i don't think this bloated config is good for you, just use your own |
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| 10:23.30 | sanxiyn | 3. There's text at the very bottom. |
| 10:23.52 | deadline | Guerin: can i disable this initrd thingy in the kernel config? or just build without the --initrd option? |
| 10:24.09 | djp | do i need to worry about a message concerning vesafb at boot time? it tells me something along the lines of "probe failed". |
| 10:24.14 | Guerin | deadline: you need to actually configure your kernel to match the hardware it will run on |
| 10:24.16 | sanxiyn | Nobody seems to be able to reproduce this on firefox@irc.mozilla.org... So I want to confirm here. |
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| 10:24.34 | delire | sanxiyn i see no text, just a large empty box |
| 10:24.40 | sanxiyn | delire: Okay. |
| 10:24.42 | Guerin | deadline: that means building the root filesystem and root drive controllers, at least, into the kernel. |
| 10:24.50 | deadline | Guerin: yes i know. so you mean to get a static kernel? |
| 10:24.54 | sanxiyn | delire: That's the correct rendering... |
| 10:25.05 | delire | right ok |
| 10:25.12 | Guerin | deadline: not completely static. Just the modules required to mount / need to be built in. |
| 10:25.15 | streuner | sanxiyn: binaries or the deb? |
| 10:25.20 | sanxiyn | streuner: deb. |
| 10:25.23 | Guerin | streuner: dfsg-3 |
| 10:25.27 | ThomasAH | sanxiyn: empty box at the end here with manually compiled firefox on woody |
| 10:25.27 | streuner | hm |
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| 10:25.37 | sanxiyn | ThomasAH: Okay. |
| 10:25.52 | shilain | In wget, if the link is broken during download, can the download be continued from the previous point after the link is restored? |
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| 10:26.00 | Guerin | shilain: man wget |
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| 10:26.26 | shilain | Guerin: have done that. |
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| 10:26.29 | deadline | Guerin: ok that means the filesystem modules only ? |
| 10:26.35 | bizkit | shilain: then why do you ask? |
| 10:26.48 | Guerin | shilain: if you had, then you'd have seen -c |
| 10:27.04 | shilain | bizkit: that means I can't get the answer fr the man, dummy! |
| 10:27.12 | Guerin | deadline: the filesystems and the root drive controller, at least. SO your mainboard's ide controller, or sata controller, or whatever. |
| 10:27.30 | bizkit | shilain: then you should learn to read, first. |
| 10:27.53 | Guerin | deadline: if you're doing something like root on raid or root on lvm, then you may NEED an initrd, in which case you'll need to ask someone who knows about such things (ie: not me) |
| 10:27.54 | shilain | bizkit: then u should learn what to ask. |
| 10:28.06 | Guerin | shilain: dude, the answer is in the manpage. |
| 10:28.15 | amaia | hey :) |
| 10:28.16 | Guerin | shilain: don't get arsey, it really is in there. |
| 10:28.30 | deadline | Guerin: the root drive is SATA, no raid |
| 10:28.33 | amaia | is it possible to turn to stable after a testing installation? |
| 10:28.35 | shilain | Guerin: thks, i know that now. |
| 10:28.35 | Guerin | deadline: good-o |
| 10:28.40 | Guerin | amaia: no. |
| 10:28.43 | ThomasAH | sanxiyn: And the same box on 1.5.dfsg-2bpo1 (backport for sarge) |
| 10:28.58 | Guerin | amaia: well, anything's possible, but this is one of those things which is substantially less possible than most things. |
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| 10:29.04 | sanxiyn | ThomasAH: Thanks. |
| 10:29.06 | amaia | the system would be all "downgraded"? |
| 10:29.10 | deadline | Guerin: is it save to have a kernel config from another distro ( a static one) and just modify it to my needs? |
| 10:29.16 | sanxiyn | Probably it is specific to my system. |
| 10:29.19 | Guerin | amaia: ask dpkg about downgrade |
| 10:29.19 | sanxiyn | Tough. |
| 10:29.31 | Guerin | deadline: that could work. |
| 10:29.37 | Guerin | deadline: depends on the specific kernel. |
| 10:29.56 | deadline | Guerin: both are 2.6.15 |
| 10:30.06 | amaia | Guerin, "ask dpkg"? you mean dpkg --help? man dpkg? :) |
| 10:30.12 | Guerin | deadline: the only way to know is to try it. If it boots, chances are you're golden. |
| 10:30.20 | Guerin | dpkg, downgrade? |
| 10:30.20 | dpkg | downgrade is probably not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 10:30.21 | bizkit | deadline: yes, do make oldconfig, make menuconfig and change everything you need to |
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| 10:30.37 | Guerin | amaia: meet dpkg. dpkg, amaia. |
| 10:30.54 | bizkit | :-) |
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| 10:31.18 | sanxiyn | Hm, I found some related bugs in Bugzilla. I'm not alone. |
| 10:31.22 | Guerin | bizkit: menuconfig already does oldconfig |
| 10:31.42 | sanxiyn | Curiously, in those bugs, bug submitters think it's Windows specific, Linux specific, or Mac specific! |
| 10:31.48 | streuner | sanxiyn: bugs in firefox are normal... |
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| 10:32.06 | deadline | if ssh reports: Permission denied (publickey). even after removing the .ssh directory, what could be wrong? |
| 10:32.10 | sanxiyn | Moreover, I can't reproduce any of those "related" bugs, but it's obvious they are related. |
| 10:32.11 | sanxiyn | :( |
| 10:32.32 | liable | deadline: um, you dont have the key? |
| 10:32.43 | deadline | liable: there is no key created |
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| 10:32.48 | usn | good morning |
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| 10:32.57 | deadline | liable: im working with password auth |
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| 10:33.31 | kapil | deadline: it is possible that password auth is disabled by the server. |
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| 10:33.41 | liable | deadline: but the server is set for public key auth or what happens then? |
| 10:34.10 | sanxiyn | #255706, #292914, #296368, #307405, #322548 if anyone's curious. |
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| 10:35.16 | amaia | hey, thats crazy |
| 10:35.22 | amaia | nice to meet you dpkg :) |
| 10:35.24 | amaia | hehehehe |
| 10:35.31 | amaia | can he roll? |
| 10:35.31 | liable | deadline: if password auth is allowed, it will ask for password first.. |
| 10:35.35 | amaia | and play dead? |
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| 10:35.52 | Guerin | dpkg, die |
| 10:35.52 | dpkg | I'll murder you guerin! Slice you into bitsa and feed you to my children! |
| 10:35.57 | Guerin | :( |
| 10:36.02 | liable | !play dead |
| 10:36.03 | dpkg | why don't you liable |
| 10:36.07 | Guerin | yes, he can do many tricks |
| 10:36.08 | liable | heh |
| 10:36.11 | fooz | it's amazing how long-lived some open source projects are |
| 10:36.16 | Guerin | more than 26,000, in fact |
| 10:36.23 | Malagmyr | !botsnack |
| 10:36.23 | dpkg | thanks, Malagmyr |
| 10:36.28 | Malagmyr | :) |
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| 10:37.30 | amaia | very nice |
| 10:37.54 | shilain | There used to be that penguin holding a glass of beer at the top right corner during boot-up. What happen to it? |
| 10:38.18 | zophyx | are you booting with a frame buffer ? |
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| 10:38.20 | bizkit | he's drunk |
| 10:38.22 | Gnea | kernel change |
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| 10:38.33 | shilain | zophyx: no. |
| 10:38.34 | basti_ | ok, /etc/environment was part of the problem |
| 10:38.37 | kapil | shilain: it drank the beer and fell off the screen :) |
| 10:38.41 | fooz | Occifer, take me drunk. I'm home. |
| 10:38.44 | basti_ | this took so long because i wasn't able to enter @ |
| 10:39.09 | dood | lol |
| 10:39.14 | zophyx | shilain: that's a graphic that'll only show up with a frame buffer |
| 10:39.17 | shilain | kapil: haha, u guys still got it? or is it only in earlier version? |
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| 10:40.06 | bizkit | shilain: you can have it in nearly all kernels supporting frame buffer |
| 10:40.06 | shilain | i think it has got to do with the kernel version. i lost it when i upgraded fr 2.4 to 2.6. |
| 10:40.17 | Gnea | i think the beer one was 2.2 |
| 10:40.34 | zophyx | they don't all have a frosty mug ? |
| 10:40.36 | Gnea | idepci? |
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| 10:40.41 | fooz | they found the penguin was underage. |
| 10:41.41 | shilain | bizkit: i think v r talking about two diff things. i am talking about that small penguin, not the big, full screen one that comes with bootsplash. |
| 10:42.05 | zophyx | which mammal is it that lays eggs ? |
| 10:42.13 | elephantMan | I am having a lot of problems with charset between iso & utf8....Where can i find a good documentation about all those issues ? System charset, application charset... |
| 10:42.23 | liable | platypus |
| 10:42.24 | zophyx | shilain: it's a graphic, it needs a frame buffer |
| 10:42.33 | Paivakil | elephantMan: search unicode.org |
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| 10:42.57 | Zvpun | elephantMan: I read a nice article about unicode stuff in c't -> www.heise.de/ct, unfortunately it is german |
| 10:42.58 | bizkit | shilain: no, bootsplash is related to lilo/grub, not your kernel |
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| 10:43.23 | moret | hi |
| 10:43.23 | Zvpun | elephantMan: My advice would be: get yourself familiar with unicode and forget iso, unicode will be the future |
| 10:43.26 | kapil | shilain: it is one in earlier versions. I think the logo is disabled by stock debian kernels. |
| 10:43.36 | moret | please, I need the Tahoma font, wich package it is in? |
| 10:44.02 | shilain | zophyx: bizkit: do you have it when u boot-up? the small one at the top-right corner? |
| 10:44.04 | bizkit | elephantMan: and important if you use unicode today, use an irc client able to recode stuff |
| 10:44.11 | Paivakil | moret: none |
| 10:44.39 | bizkit | shilain: no, i don't use it |
| 10:44.48 | zophyx | up 39 days, 1:46 |
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| 10:44.51 | moret | Paivakil: no is it in ttf-xfree86-nonfree? |
| 10:44.53 | zophyx | i can't remember |
| 10:45.03 | shilain | kapil: alright, u know what i am talking about then. so it is the kernel. |
| 10:45.09 | Paivakil | moret: I do not use non-free - not even contrib |
| 10:45.11 | liable | top left it is |
| 10:45.20 | Paivakil | you can use ``apt-cache search tahoma'' |
| 10:45.27 | liable | and no, its not in debian kernels |
| 10:45.33 | zophyx | liable: did you just boot a kernel ? |
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| 10:45.48 | liable | zophyx: about 2 hours ago yes |
| 10:45.49 | kapil | shilain: it is in /usr/src/linux-source-2.x.x/Documentation/logo.gif . You need to compile your own kernel to get it. |
| 10:45.51 | FallOnMe | moret: Tahoma is non-free and its license forbids distribution. |
| 10:45.53 | zophyx | liable: is that a compile time option ? |
| 10:45.57 | liable | yes |
| 10:45.57 | moret | aaammm |
| 10:46.03 | moret | so, apt-get.org powa xD |
| 10:46.05 | Zvpun | elephantMan: the moste important parts for unicode are: get a font with lots of glyphs and set LANG=foo_FOO.utf8 |
| 10:46.17 | FallOnMe | moret: in essence, you have to have Windows or MS Office to use it. |
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| 10:46.46 | zophyx | i think my 2.6.9 kernel boots with Tux |
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| 10:46.54 | echnaton | hi im just compiling mplayer but it needs the X11 devel packages. what is the package name for them? |
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| 10:47.12 | bizkit | moret: msttcorefonts? |
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| 10:47.12 | zophyx | ah, i don't use deb package kernels |
| 10:47.33 | FallOnMe | moret, bizkit: no, it's not in msttcorefonts. |
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| 10:47.44 | Paivakil | bizkit: M$ no longer allows download of those fonts, iirc |
| 10:47.51 | bizkit | moret: if you need more just copy them over from any windows installation |
| 10:47.57 | liable | there is a site to get them from. |
| 10:48.09 | moret | I don't have windows inst |
| 10:48.12 | bizkit | Paivakil: msttcorefonts are still available, imho |
| 10:48.15 | moret | liable: what site? |
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| 10:48.19 | Paivakil | msttcorefonts is an installer which downloads those fonts from M$ sites, |
| 10:48.24 | shilain | another strange thing during my boot-up. The word "Loading" in the first line lost some of its characters. is it normal? |
| 10:48.27 | liable | cant remember where i seen the info but |
| 10:48.42 | Paivakil | but you need a licensed copy of Windughs to download and install those fonts |
| 10:49.20 | bizkit | Paivakil: is that new? |
| 10:49.20 | liable | moret: http://nuoriso.hel.fi/__files/ms_truetype_core_fonts_for_the_web/Win95-98-NT/index.html |
| 10:49.32 | _rene_ | Paivakil: a) is wrong, that's not ms-sites anymore but other sites and b) no one cares :) |
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| 10:49.55 | bizkit | imho the msttcorefonts package has its stuff on any sourceforge site |
| 10:49.57 | FallOnMe | Paivakil: tahoma is really nice onscreen. |
| 10:50.23 | liable | moret: hrm, thats kinda useless. |
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| 10:51.00 | bizkit | !beer liable |
| 10:51.39 | liable | more the merrier i say :) |
| 10:52.28 | bizkit | yes, it is http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:52.58 | liable | doesnt the debian package download em for you or something? |
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| 10:53.16 | Znh | Hello |
| 10:53.17 | bizkit | liable: it does.. Paivakil was the one who said it's impossible |
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| 10:53.23 | liable | oh |
| 10:53.52 | FallOnMe | bizkit: tahoma isn't part of msttcorefonts anyway. |
| 10:53.52 | Znh | I'd like to setup an different PS1 on some user account, I tried by creating an .bashrc in the user directory. but it didnt affect PS1, what is the proper way? |
| 10:54.06 | bizkit | FallOnMe: 030331 Updated the package to match the new location of the Tahoma cab file on microsoft's download site |
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| 10:54.42 | Paivakil | my understanding of msttcorefonts is that it downloaded the fonts from M$ sites; then I heard that M$ stopped offering the fonts on their site - I never use non-free on my system, so never care |
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| 10:55.45 | shilain | wget is not a reliable way to download file from website. A lot of 'read error...connection reset by peer' and finally 'giving up' and broke off. Any better tools? for file size >50M? |
| 10:55.50 | FallOnMe | bizkit: the point is moot - M$ does not handle that font under the corefonts license. |
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| 10:56.09 | fooz | shilain, train wget better |
| 10:56.24 | FallOnMe | bizkit: ..."So, if you have a windows license and you accept the other restrictions in the IE EULA, you are are free to change the define HAS_WINDOWS_LICENSE to 'yes', and the tahoma font will be included also" |
| 10:56.25 | bizkit | shilain: use a working mirror |
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| 10:56.51 | shilain | bizkit: more specific, pls. |
| 10:57.27 | shilain | fooz: how u train it? |
| 10:57.31 | fooz | shilain, man wget |
| 10:57.44 | bizkit | shilain: it's not wget's fault if you use a mirror which can't be connected |
| 10:57.45 | kapil | Znh: is .bashrc is not read automatically if (a) it is an interactive login shell (b) bash is invoked as sh. |
| 10:57.51 | Paivakil | shilain: if you cannot download with wget, the problem is with your network, not with wget |
| 10:57.56 | Guerin | shilain: wget is fine. It's the server or your connection's fault |
| 10:58.01 | Guerin | heh |
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| 10:58.13 | fooz | wget's not fine, actually, but only under xen |
| 10:58.15 | fooz | hehe |
| 10:58.18 | Paivakil | shilain: you can also use the -c switch to wget |
| 10:58.37 | kapil | Znh: .bash_profile is read for interactive login shells. |
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| 10:58.54 | bizkit | fooz: why? |
| 10:58.57 | beardy | kapil: If it's included to be read in ~/.bash_profile, it is read for login shells too, though. |
| 10:59.04 | shilain | bizkit: no, before this, I have used mozilla 'tools->pageinfo->media' to save video files, without problem and faster too. |
| 10:59.26 | fooz | bizkit, under xen wget keeps complaining that time is going backwards, and thinks that's a good reason to fail assertions |
| 10:59.32 | _rene_ | Myon: 19 |
| 10:59.36 | fooz | who said time is linear, anyway? |
| 10:59.37 | _rene_ | args |
| 10:59.43 | Myon | argv |
| 10:59.44 | shilain | Paivakil: now that it is broken, i should redo it with -c, right? |
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| 10:59.49 | kapil | beardy: yes. i said "automatically". |
| 10:59.55 | fooz | probably a xen bug, but no other programs have issues |
| 11:00.03 | FallOnMe | shilain: heh, and to think wget was written precisely to handle slow links and breaking connections. |
| 11:00.11 | jm_ | fooz: how about make? surely it should be affected by this |
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| 11:00.25 | fooz | nah. i compiled xen under xen just fine |
| 11:00.29 | fooz | and linux |
| 11:00.33 | fooz | and various other things |
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| 11:00.42 | jm_ | if time is going backwards then make will not work correctly |
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| 11:00.50 | fooz | wget's using some kind of microtime that doesn't work or something |
| 11:00.55 | fooz | make just compares timestamps |
| 11:01.04 | fooz | which always works |
| 11:01.16 | beardy | kapil: Allright. ("by default" might be harder to misinterpret though) |
| 11:01.17 | jm_ | no, dependencies will not be handled correctly |
| 11:01.30 | fooz | i know how make works |
| 11:01.47 | Guerin | i know how beer works |
| 11:01.53 | Guerin | does that count for anything? |
| 11:01.58 | fooz | beer works in mysterious ways |
| 11:02.08 | liable | magic it is! |
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| 11:02.35 | Guerin | did I mention that the Great Heineken Scam of 2005 has carried over into 2006? |
| 11:02.37 | shilain | FallOnMe: i restart wget with -c, and the download continues from when it was broken off. great. |
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| 11:02.42 | Vllanueva | anyone know of a console based mp3 decoder that will let me do things like fastforward/rewind/next track? |
| 11:02.50 | kapil | beardy: thats. thats a better choice of phrase. |
| 11:02.57 | Guerin | shilain: as I told you at least an hour ago |
| 11:02.58 | liable | Vllanueva: cplay |
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| 11:03.06 | shilain | got to go. bye. |
| 11:03.07 | liable | Vllanueva: front end it is.. |
| 11:03.31 | kapil | fooz: wget has an option timestamping = off in .wgetrc which might fix your problem. |
| 11:03.36 | fooz | thanks |
| 11:03.42 | Vllanueva | libns-files |
| 11:03.51 | Vllanueva | liable: to what program/ |
| 11:03.54 | SnuS | hello. my courierimapd is acting weirdly. after the client does a SELECT on his inbox, it doesn't do anything. it dies. any suggestions on debugging ? |
| 11:03.54 | beardy | Vllanueva: mp3blaster (if it's still there) |
| 11:04.02 | liable | mpg321/123 |
| 11:04.02 | beardy | !info mp3blaster stable |
| 11:04.03 | Vllanueva | libnss_files |
| 11:04.11 | dpkg | mp3blaster: (Full-screen console mp3 and ogg vorbis player), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:3.2.0-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 191 kB, Installed size: 608 kB |
| 11:04.14 | Vllanueva | liable: coo |
| 11:04.17 | kapil | Vllanueva: moc, alsaplayer-text. |
| 11:04.46 | Guerin | cplay is still the winner. moc can play more formats and is less fugly. |
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| 11:06.33 | liable | hrm, might have to try that |
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| 11:07.48 | kapil | alsaplayer can speed up and slow down tracks which is sometimes amusing. |
| 11:08.01 | jm_ | and I think it can even play them in reverse |
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| 11:08.31 | kapil | yeah. that gives my entire family the giggles :) |
| 11:08.36 | cusco | hi... i keep seing on my current tty the following: i8235 count too high. resetting.. |
| 11:08.39 | cusco | it shows like 2 or 3 times per night |
| 11:08.42 | cusco | and some more times during the day.. |
| 11:08.51 | jm_ | that's a kernel message |
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| 11:09.16 | fooz | what is i8235, the interrupt controller? |
| 11:09.30 | Znh | kapil, does exactly the same |
| 11:09.47 | kapil | Znh: what does the same? |
| 11:09.57 | fooz | oh, it's a pcmcia controller |
| 11:10.03 | Znh | kapil, well I changed .bash_profile but it doesnt change the PS1 |
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| 11:11.21 | FallOnMe | Should that be i82365 then. |
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| 11:11.34 | FallOnMe | n't |
| 11:11.45 | kapil | Znh: there is still teh possibility that shell is set to /bin/sh. In which case .bash_profile would not be read only .profile. Be careful about bash-isms in your .profile if you have "real" /bin/sh's on some system that shares the same home directories. |
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| 11:12.29 | Znh | kapil, when I modifiy /etc/profile it does change. but system wide :/ |
| 11:13.13 | lunitik | Znh: ~/.bashrc |
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| 11:13.32 | kapil | Znh: check your SHELL environment variable. is /bin/bash or /bin/sh? |
| 11:13.55 | Znh | kapil, /bin/bash |
| 11:13.59 | ^autlaw | hi, does anyone know, how to add a user witch can only change pw when he logs in via ssh? (sry for bad english^^) |
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| 11:14.54 | kapil | ^autlaw: disable all other forms of login! |
| 11:15.22 | fooz | could be done by writing a PAM module to detect a secure sesion, but it'd be a lot of work and imperfect |
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| 11:16.27 | ^autlaw | kapil: thanks, but how do i disable all other forms of login, cant find anything in the man pages, am i blind? |
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| 11:16.56 | kapil | Znh: cant figure this out. sorry. |
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| 11:17.19 | Znh | kapil, no problem |
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| 11:17.51 | kapil | ^autlaw: pam will alow you to do that. |
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| 11:21.35 | ^autlaw | kapil: ok maybe i get it workin ;) thx |
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| 11:23.31 | kapil | ^autlaw: the relevant section is pam-auth which you need to configure for every utility that authorises users. |
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| 11:24.07 | cusco | jm_: i figured that out.. nut why does it keep on showing? is it bad» |
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| 11:24.54 | jm_ | cusco: do you have any external drivers installed? |
| 11:26.02 | blubberus | Hi, i want to create a raid1 system on a running system. How can i create exactly the same partitions and as the case may be i read one partition had to be a litle bit bigger than the other is it right? |
| 11:26.17 | cusco | jm_: no |
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| 11:28.04 | TBBle | blubberus: One shouldn't need to be larger than the other for raid1.... Some HOWTO I read said there was an fdisk switch to duplicate a partition layout, but I couldn't find it. I think you just have to flick fdisk in block mode, and then type the block numbers in by hand on the new drive. |
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| 11:28.29 | jm_ | TBBle: sfdisk to dump it and then recreate it on the other disk should work |
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| 11:28.40 | SerajewelKS | is there any reason why Xorg would be using 3% of my RAM when i first start it, and ends up using 10% about a week later after opening and closing a few programs a few hundred times? |
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| 11:29.19 | TBBle | Oh, was it _sfdisk_? That's prolly why I couldn't find it. |
| 11:29.40 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: it appears as it's using more because graphic card's memory is mapped to its address space AFAIK - as for the second, apparently lots of apps don't properly free things they asked X server to allocate for them |
| 11:29.53 | jm_ | cusco: I can't find such message in 2.6.15 |
| 11:30.03 | SerajewelKS | jm_: so is it actually sapping my RAM, or my VRAM? |
| 11:30.05 | cusco | jm_: im using testing |
| 11:30.12 | jm_ | cusco: that doesn't matter |
| 11:30.21 | SerajewelKS | jm_: or *gasp* both? |
| 11:30.21 | cusco | and 2.4.27 |
| 11:30.43 | cusco | :/ |
| 11:30.49 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: well both, but it gets swapped out if not needed, like other things - my record is over a gigabyte after several months |
| 11:31.02 | jm_ | ohh maybe it's in 2.4 then |
| 11:31.13 | SerajewelKS | jm_: memory leaks are fun |
| 11:31.26 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: try xrestop |
| 11:31.38 | blubberus | ok, thanks i read now the man page of sfdisk |
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| 11:32.43 | jm_ | looks like I deleted 2.4 source tree when I was tight on space |
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| 11:33.38 | SerajewelKS | well, today was a pretty successful day... got an SDL app ported to windows, got postfix and courier working... |
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| 11:34.04 | SerajewelKS | got destroyed by three computers at Age of Conquerors |
| 11:34.22 | Luftzig | hardware question: A friend of have an unused multimedia keyboard with more keys, which I can borrow. it's USB, and my motherboard's ancient, will I be able to use it? |
| 11:34.39 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: does your motherboard support usb? |
| 11:34.41 | jm_ | do you have USB ports to connect it to? |
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| 11:35.00 | nlindblad | howdy |
| 11:35.07 | nlindblad | I've installed using the netinstall (Sarge) |
| 11:35.11 | Luftzig | jm_, yes. one |
| 11:35.12 | nlindblad | is it sane to downgrade to stable? |
| 11:35.16 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: then yes |
| 11:35.27 | jm_ | Sarge is stable ... |
| 11:35.52 | Luftzig | and I wouldn't have provblems using it? |
| 11:36.07 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: if you can configure it in X, no |
| 11:36.13 | nlindblad | nlindblad@bleeding-edge ~ $ ssh deschutes |
| 11:36.13 | nlindblad | Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable |
| 11:36.35 | jm_ | pre-release versions of Sarge had that |
| 11:36.35 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: the only place where the motherboard matters is whether or not it has USB support |
| 11:37.00 | Luftzig | SerajewelKS, and for BIOS? |
| 11:37.07 | nlindblad | jm_: so the sources.list have testing main |
| 11:37.11 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: of course the BIOS has to support USB too |
| 11:37.16 | delire | nlindblad in your case 'downgrading to sarge' == reinstall |
| 11:37.17 | nlindblad | jm_: is it sane to change that? |
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| 11:37.32 | jm_ | nlindblad: did you install just the base so far? |
| 11:37.35 | nlindblad | I'll live on the edge then |
| 11:37.41 | nlindblad | jm_: installation completed |
| 11:37.46 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: but other than that, the motherboard doesn't care what extra keys are on the keyboard. it'd going to present the device to the operating system as a usb device, and the operating system decides what to do with it. |
| 11:37.50 | jm_ | nlindblad: that doesn't answer my question |
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| 11:38.00 | nlindblad | jm_: I'm all set up |
| 11:38.09 | delire | nlindblad if you have upgraded to testing/unstable packages, it's a long way back to sarge. if not, the change those sources and roll back. |
| 11:38.14 | nlindblad | jm_: but most of the things installed is base components |
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| 11:38.34 | liable | nlindblad: living on the edge with etch atm gives you a good chance to break your system regularly :) |
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| 11:38.38 | nlindblad | jm_: base system installed, then it did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:38.39 | S4nD3r | I got this error when try to install openoffice 2 from backports, W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org sarge-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 11:38.55 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: it's basically like an LPT printer. if you have the printer, the cable, a motherboard with an LPT, and the driver, you're set. the motherboard doesn't need to "support the printer." |
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| 11:38.58 | jm_ | nlindblad: well then you you can only reinstall, it will be much faster or use Etch |
| 11:39.00 | S4nD3r | Anothers installations I got successfully |
| 11:39.17 | nlindblad | jm_: changing the repositories won't work? |
| 11:39.26 | SerajewelKS | S4nD3r: so check the backports site for a new key |
| 11:39.31 | Luftzig | SerajewelKS, but in case I don't have the driver? |
| 11:39.46 | S4nD3r | SerajewelKS, Ok... I will there |
| 11:40.08 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: if it's a stock debian kernel built in the last year, it will, unless it's a completely weird brand of keyboard |
| 11:40.14 | jm_ | nlindblad: no, /msg dpkg donwgrade |
| 11:40.19 | jm_ | without the typos |
| 11:40.28 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: anyway we can sit here and ponder the theoretical, or you can go plug it in and learn the answer |
| 11:40.37 | nlindblad | jm_: thanks |
| 11:40.41 | S4nD3r | SerajewelKS, Is this http://backports.org/package.php?search=key ?? |
| 11:41.41 | Luftzig | SerajewelKS, as soon as I'll actually get the keyboard, and a free weekend. |
| 11:42.00 | SerajewelKS | S4nD3r: i would assume the key would be on the front page of the site... |
| 11:42.11 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: good, wait until then |
| 11:42.21 | S4nD3r | really ? |
| 11:42.34 | Luftzig | SerajewelKS, next weekend. |
| 11:42.36 | SerajewelKS | Luftzig: the amount of time we spend discussing it isn't going to make it work. if it works, it works. if it doesn't, you'll have a real question to ask us. |
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| 11:43.49 | S4nD3r | I think if the key is on the site, it is so hidden |
| 11:44.23 | Luftzig | SerajewelKS, you're right. |
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| 11:46.26 | S4nD3r | help me |
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| 11:48.59 | delire | nlindblad if you really want to have a _stable_ debian-based *desktop* system, but run software more recent than sarge offers, then you'd be better off with a debian derivative focussed on the desktop (of which debian itself certainly isn't). |
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| 11:50.26 | amaia | ubuntu for example |
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| 11:50.55 | delire | amaia: yes, or Xandros, Mepis |
| 11:50.57 | amaia | i use debian on the servers and ubuntu on the desktops |
| 11:51.07 | amaia | mepis is great also |
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| 11:51.36 | diana | nlindblad: Just use debian testing...it's very stable...and using newer software then sarge. |
| 11:51.42 | delire | (dare i speak such foul words in the Temple) |
| 11:51.49 | liable | very stable? |
| 11:51.57 | diana | !tell nlindblad about testing |
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| 11:52.01 | amaia | stable enough for a desktop comp |
| 11:52.01 | delire | diana it certainly isn't stable |
| 11:52.08 | delire | bah barely. |
| 11:52.09 | amaia | i think |
| 11:52.11 | lord_rob | Hi ! Has experimental repository moved ? |
| 11:52.20 | resiak | Stable enough for nlindblad, who currently uses G*ntoo ;) |
| 11:52.24 | Guerin | the only non-debian distro I'd consider using is ubuntu |
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| 11:52.35 | amaia | i installed a few running servers using testing |
| 11:52.36 | cheal | lord_rob: why? |
| 11:52.37 | ctp | hi folks. anyone here knows a nice howto for sarge+xorg? i'm installing a new thinkpad and think about xorg vs xfree. does xorg works fine on a sarge box? |
| 11:52.39 | beardy | Ubuntu is based on unstable, so I wouldn't compare that to sarge.. |
| 11:52.43 | resiak | !sarge xorg |
| 11:52.45 | Guerin | amaia: servers on testing == stupid |
| 11:52.47 | resiak | Hmm |
| 11:52.52 | resiak | ctp: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 11:52.54 | amaia | no problems till now |
| 11:52.55 | delire | debian sarge is a great desktop for those disinterested in the state of play in desktop software |
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| 11:53.01 | diana | !tell ctp about xorg sarge |
| 11:53.18 | cheal | delire: hah |
| 11:53.22 | lord_rob | cheal: I can't upgrade my sources I get a 404 when trying to download [packages|sources].gz for experimental |
| 11:53.23 | delire | but really debian has never been all that interested in 'the desktop' and why should it. |
| 11:53.28 | amaia | the only "problem" i have is "too much" apt-get upgrades |
| 11:53.35 | ctp | resiak: did you test the backports.org xorg? |
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| 11:53.55 | resiak | ctp: No. I have no reason to want X.org on my Sarge box. |
| 11:53.59 | Guerin | amaia: run stable. |
| 11:54.11 | amaia | yes, you are right |
| 11:54.23 | cheal | lord_rob: how are you trying? |
| 11:54.24 | Guerin | my sarge box doesn't even ahve a screen plugged in |
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| 11:54.27 | amaia | a few days ago i had the first problems... |
| 11:54.32 | lord_rob | cheal http://ftp.fr.debian.org ../project/experimental/non-free Packages [ERROR] 404 Not Found |
| 11:54.37 | amaia | upgraded all |
| 11:54.43 | resiak | !experimental |
| 11:54.43 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 11:54.44 | delire | stable is a fantastically reliable, completely boring system, that will rarely let you down. |
| 11:54.46 | resiak | lord_rob: ^^^ |
| 11:54.54 | Guerin | lord_rob: sounds good to me. Who'd want a package which is both experimental AND non-free? |
| 11:54.55 | amaia | and squirrelmail stoped working because of an incompatibility problem in the imap package |
| 11:54.59 | resiak | lord_rob: You clearly do not know exactly what you are doing... |
| 11:55.00 | amaia | email cliets worked ok |
| 11:55.06 | amaia | but squirrel just crashed |
| 11:55.12 | Guerin | amaia: it's php |
| 11:55.19 | beardy | delire: What do you use a computer for? |
| 11:55.24 | delire | Geurin: enough said.. |
| 11:55.32 | amaia | had to downgrade the imap package |
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| 11:55.34 | amaia | to run |
| 11:55.44 | pkern | How could I tell apt not to verify any signatures? |
| 11:55.46 | delire | beardy i have several, each for different purposes. |
| 11:55.50 | Guerin | pkern: man apt |
| 11:55.55 | ctp | resiak: do you run an ati card? i need 3d and vga/tv out on my notebook. do you know if this work fine using xfree? |
| 11:55.58 | pkern | Guerin: man: command not foudn. |
| 11:55.59 | lord_rob | I hardly use packages from experimental, but I have the lines in my sources.list, there's nothing wrong with that |
| 11:56.00 | pkern | *found |
| 11:56.08 | resiak | ctp: No. |
| 11:56.09 | Guerin | pkern: install debian |
| 11:56.10 | delire | beardy on the desktop, general communication and data transfer. production, graphics programming and 3D animation. |
| 11:56.19 | pkern | Guerin: debootstrap does *not* give one man by default |
| 11:56.27 | Guerin | pkern: haha |
| 11:56.41 | pkern | Guerin: And it would be nice if you tell me which man page to read. Because I actually looked at them already. |
| 11:57.06 | beardy | delire: Ok, and that would make a difference if done in sarge or something else? |
| 11:57.10 | Guerin | pkern: ok. It's probably man apt.conf(5) you want |
| 11:57.37 | Guerin | pkern: there are a huge number of options to apt-*, many of which are detailed there |
| 11:57.40 | pkern | Guerin: So I need to find a box which covers it, having a bloody backported apt in my chroot. |
| 11:57.47 | delire | beardy on my servers or router/firewalls i use debian stable. for a graphic workstations this is impossible, hence i choose debian testing/unstable |
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| 11:57.54 | lord_rob | http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/project/experimental-is-in-dists-now/ <--------------------- so experimental has moved to dists on this mirror |
| 11:57.55 | Guerin | pkern: you're really having fun with this, eh. |
| 11:57.59 | Guerin | !wayttd pkern |
| 11:57.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, pkern? |
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| 11:58.13 | erikyyy | hi. gnucash has ugly fonts. no antialiasing in the debian-stable version. how can i somehow turn on antialiasing?? |
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| 11:58.30 | resiak | You can't, because GnuCash is still Gtk1 |
| 11:58.42 | resiak | but they're working on a Gtk2 version for version 2, so you can go help them out with that. |
| 11:58.47 | pkern | Guerin: I try to backport packages with pbuilder and a fine person has backported apt-secure and uploaded it to backports which annoys me really, not having man in the chroot and only stable systems around. |
| 11:58.50 | erikyyy | resiak: ok thank you |
| 11:59.07 | erikyyy | resiak: but on gentoo linux it was antialiased. so the problem is to get the new version running on debian? |
| 11:59.11 | jm_ | d-a.org says apt-get --allow-unauthenticated |
| 11:59.30 | Guerin | pkern: yeah, that's a bit stupid. |
| 11:59.41 | pkern | jm_: APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1 ; |
| 11:59.48 | pkern | jm_: Thanks for pointing me to d-a.org |
| 12:00.09 | erikyyy | resiak: i'm just trying to understand, not want to do distro wars ;) |
| 12:00.19 | jm_ | pkern: that article has a useful thread, probably worth reading |
| 12:00.27 | resiak | erikyyy: I don't know. |
| 12:00.35 | erikyyy | hm strange |
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| 12:01.24 | ctp | hey guys. which backports do you prefer: apt-get.org vs backports.org? which of them both make less trouble? |
| 12:02.14 | Guerin | ctp: C) None Of The Above |
| 12:02.29 | ctp | Guerin: which one else? |
| 12:03.01 | Guerin | ctp: but of the two, backports.org is the more sane, because they're all centrally maintained, whereas apt-get.org is just a clearinghouse of other random idiots' packages |
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| 12:03.29 | pkern | Guerin: "centrally maintained"? |
| 12:03.55 | Guerin | pkern: the archives are all run by a certain bunch of people, and hosted together. Or at least they were. |
| 12:04.15 | Guerin | pkern: as opposed to just being links to my site or your site or j. random fucktard's site |
| 12:04.21 | pkern | Guerin: Ew. At least every DD could upload there now, which does not make it more sane. |
| 12:04.28 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
| 12:04.32 | Guerin | well |
| 12:04.33 | pkern | Guerin: It's maintained by trusted DD, that's right. |
| 12:04.38 | Guerin | it makes it a little bit more sane |
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| 12:06.23 | Zvpun | what is DD? |
| 12:06.28 | Guerin | !dd |
| 12:06.29 | dpkg | i guess dd is man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 12:06.32 | pkern | lol |
| 12:06.39 | pkern | Zvpun: A Debian Developer |
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| 12:06.58 | Zvpun | thanks |
| 12:07.08 | pkern | I modified the factoid accordingly. |
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| 12:07.32 | jm_ | it did mention Debian Developer ;) |
| 12:07.40 | pkern | lol |
| 12:07.52 | Guerin | jm_: i think it mentioned Debian Developer in there somewhere |
| 12:08.00 | jm_ | Guerin: yup |
| 12:08.12 | Guerin | oh |
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| 12:08.24 | Guerin | also stands for Dapper Drake! |
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| 12:08.58 | MyWay | Hi, i have two question: the first is, how is the JavaRunTime called on apt? the Second is, how do i install a .bin package? |
| 12:09.16 | jm_ | MyWay: read the topic (about java) |
| 12:09.22 | beardy | MyWay: "/msg dpkg java" Don't. |
| 12:09.30 | MyWay | ok thanks |
| 12:09.35 | Guerin | MyWay: 1) sun java is not in debian; 2) it depends what the .bin file actually is; usually sh ./foo.bin |
| 12:09.39 | Guerin | yeah |
| 12:09.43 | Guerin | use gcj! |
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| 12:09.48 | Guerin | now that it's actually good |
| 12:09.49 | pkern | Use make-jpkg |
| 12:10.01 | jm_ | if you already have .bin of Sun's JRE, you can (most likely) use it for java package |
| 12:10.10 | jm_ | so don't delete it just yet if it's that |
| 12:10.41 | MyWay | i downloaded it guerin |
| 12:10.44 | MyWay | from the java site |
| 12:10.46 | ctp | Guerin: thx |
| 12:10.52 | MyWay | because there was a .rpm and a .bin |
| 12:10.55 | jm_ | myren: man make-jpkg |
| 12:10.57 | MyWay | so i decided for it :P |
| 12:11.00 | jm_ | MyWay ^^^^^ |
| 12:11.20 | MyWay | i read the bot :P |
| 12:11.42 | jm_ | so do as it says, you know what to do |
| 12:11.43 | MyWay | but let me read it again, i don't understand it very well :P |
| 12:11.53 | beardy | !prize MyWay |
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| 12:12.32 | unsolo | i keep getting error 425 on my proftpd when connecting |
| 12:12.40 | pkern | Finally pbuilder builds what I want it to build. |
| 12:13.30 | Guerin | unsolo: thanks for sharing. |
| 12:13.44 | MyWay | Hm it says: apt-get install java-package and then says to go on the site, why? |
| 12:13.53 | pkern | Guerin: Ew, can't you be less of a troll? |
| 12:13.57 | unsolo | Guerin: hehe no problem just wondered if anyone else have been bothered by this |
| 12:14.00 | Guerin | pkern: give over. |
| 12:14.01 | jm_ | he didn't read a single thing I wrote |
| 12:14.02 | MyWay | if i do apt-get install java-package am i not already done? |
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| 12:14.10 | Guerin | unsolo: google ftp error 425 |
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| 12:14.16 | jm_ | no you aren't |
| 12:14.22 | MyWay | oh :O |
| 12:14.22 | Guerin | unsolo: short answer: sort out your firewalling issues |
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| 12:14.39 | MyWay | ok i'll do what it says :P |
| 12:14.58 | bhundven | I'm running testing. I keep getting a gpg error after a apt-get update. I install gpg, and import the key (cat ziyi_key_200[56].asc | gpg --import). and I still get the error... with http://ftp.debian.org? |
| 12:15.21 | unsolo | Guerin: hmm even if its local |
| 12:15.39 | MyWay | hm something doesn't works |
| 12:15.40 | Guerin | unsolo: well, that's what 425 means - can't make a data connection. |
| 12:15.45 | MyWay | apt says it can't find java-package |
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| 12:16.08 | unsolo | Guerin: ok |
| 12:16.09 | Guerin | MyWay: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 12:16.15 | MyWay | ok |
| 12:16.26 | jm_ | dpkg told you that too |
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| 12:16.43 | unsolo | so the port 20 (std data is the one beeing blocked) |
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| 12:17.06 | Guerin | unsolo: presumably; or there's something interfering with pasv, if it's using pasv. |
| 12:17.50 | Guerin | this is part of why ... |
| 12:17.53 | unsolo | ok |
| 12:17.53 | Guerin | !ftp must die |
| 12:17.54 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 12:18.10 | MyWay | somebody said contrib was debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'non-free contrib' on the end |
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| 12:18.19 | MyWay | what does this mean? what i have to do in sources.list? |
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| 12:18.25 | fatcow | Hi |
| 12:18.33 | possie | how can i see the size of the stack? |
| 12:18.34 | Guerin | MyWay: add " contrib" to the end of your main source line |
| 12:18.40 | fatcow | I am having major problems with apt-get/synaptic |
| 12:18.40 | MyWay | oh ok |
| 12:18.43 | Gnea | MyWay: it tells you |
| 12:18.58 | fatcow | I always get >>subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 100<< |
| 12:19.06 | fatcow | When I try to remove, or reinstall proftpd. |
| 12:19.17 | fatcow | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/t52968-problems-with-synaptic-cant-uninstall-nor-reinstall-an-application.html |
| 12:19.18 | Gnea | fatcow: only with proftpd? is that sarge? |
| 12:19.19 | Guerin | fatcow: run apt-get -f install; and paste the full output to paster |
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| 12:19.22 | Guerin | !paster fatcow |
| 12:19.22 | dpkg | fatcow: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 12:19.45 | MyWay | does the apices ' are needed? |
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| 12:19.59 | jm_ | no |
| 12:20.01 | Gnea | no, without the quotes |
| 12:20.34 | MyWay | it worked thanks |
| 12:20.41 | unsolo | Guerin: could some wrong settings in inetd be causing it also |
| 12:20.45 | fatcow | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1473 |
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| 12:21.10 | Guerin | unsolo: doubtful. This is all about what ports are open on client and/or server. |
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| 12:21.47 | fatcow | Thats the error I get with a forced apt-get install |
| 12:21.55 | jm_ | there's no error there |
| 12:22.00 | Guerin | fatcow: -f isn't force, it's fix. |
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| 12:22.06 | Guerin | fatcow: that should be fixed now. |
| 12:22.09 | MyWay | but wich line is better to add? non free contrib or only contrib? |
| 12:22.13 | fatcow | 1 not fully installed or removed. |
| 12:22.23 | Guerin | fatcow: try installing some random thing now and see what happens. |
| 12:22.27 | fatcow | ok so should I try to do apt-get remove proftpd? |
| 12:22.29 | fatcow | ok |
| 12:22.30 | beardy | MyWay: Depends on you. |
| 12:22.34 | beardy | !non-free |
| 12:22.34 | dpkg | [non-free] always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html |
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| 12:22.45 | Guerin | fatcow: Setting up proftpd-common (1.2.10-22) ... means that package did eventually get fully installed. |
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| 12:23.17 | fatcow | isnt common just an extra package for proftpd to be installed? going to try some random install now |
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| 12:23.30 | MyWay | the difference is: if i add contrib i can't see non free packages and i add non free contrib i can see free and not free? |
| 12:23.31 | Guerin | !non-free =~ s/Debianers/Debianistas/ |
| 12:23.31 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 12:23.32 | Gnea | fatcow: yeah, it's a dependancy |
| 12:23.34 | MyWay | i understand it? |
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| 12:23.52 | Guerin | MyWay: correct. |
| 12:23.53 | Gnea | MyWay: YES |
| 12:24.04 | MyWay | thanks you again, sorry for my newb question :P |
| 12:24.31 | fatcow | ok xmms installs, |
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| 12:24.32 | fatcow | thx |
| 12:24.43 | fatcow | and uninstalls |
| 12:25.05 | fatcow | but I still get errors when I try to remove proftpd |
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| 12:25.36 | linckraker | what a decend FPS for glxgears on a 128mb radeon card? |
| 12:25.38 | Gnea | fatcow: paste the errors |
| 12:25.39 | yang | is anyone using linksys wireless routers? |
| 12:25.41 | fatcow | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1474 |
| 12:25.58 | jm_ | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/proftpd not found. |
| 12:26.08 | jm_ | don't fuck with files that are part of packages |
| 12:26.13 | linckraker | yang i use a linksys wireless router |
| 12:26.13 | Gnea | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/proftpd not found. |
| 12:26.36 | fatcow | ls |
| 12:26.42 | fatcow | wrong windows, sorry |
| 12:26.47 | jm_ | No such file or directory |
| 12:26.53 | Gnea | fatcow: never remove files by hand, let apt and dpkg handle them |
| 12:27.08 | fatcow | I learnt that now for sure. |
| 12:27.13 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:27.18 | fatcow | Any way to fix my fuck up? |
| 12:27.22 | jm_ | touch it |
| 12:27.25 | Gnea | you could force it |
| 12:27.30 | jm_ | make it executable and stick exit 0 in it |
| 12:27.33 | Gnea | dpkg --force-help |
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| 12:28.36 | S4nD3r | so |
| 12:28.38 | S4nD3r | I need some help to solve this problem |
| 12:28.40 | S4nD3r | Jan 6 10:15:14 localhost kernel: VM: killing process |
| 12:29.00 | LSchiere | why's your kernel killing things? |
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| 12:29.11 | S4nD3r | This has been killed all my process |
| 12:29.14 | yang | linckraker: can you give me a few direction...so far i unpacked the thing and plugged it onto my hub, where it takes the ip address 192.168.1.9, but i dont know how do i connect to it... |
| 12:29.15 | S4nD3r | I dont know |
| 12:29.29 | LSchiere | that's not something we can help you with S4nD3r |
| 12:29.51 | LSchiere | oops, I'm thinking #gaim still |
| 12:30.00 | yang | linckraker: the thing came without any documents, just a CD that is installable on windows. getting a manual from the net |
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| 12:30.16 | MyWay | fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb now i logout from root, did the first command, what i have to do with dpkg -i *.deb? |
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| 12:30.43 | stepardo | hi |
| 12:30.47 | MyWay | hi |
| 12:31.02 | linckraker | do you have a computer plugged directly into the wireless router using one of the four cat5 ports? |
| 12:31.24 | S4nD3r | oh |
| 12:31.29 | S4nD3r | I dont know what to do |
| 12:31.33 | yang | linckraker: no I have my wireless router plugged onto a HUB, over the Internet port... |
| 12:31.49 | MyWay | fakeroot make-jpkg jre-java-linux-i586.bin |
| 12:31.50 | MyWay | Creating temporary direct |
| 12:32.02 | MyWay | it done it |
| 12:32.21 | linckraker | you need to set up the wireless router. plug a computer into it and connect to 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:32.27 | bhundven | does anyone know why the gpg keys for 2005 and 2006 don't seem to work under testing when trying any server with apt? |
| 12:32.34 | S4nD3r | thats happens mainly when I using browser |
| 12:32.38 | fatcow | Still not sure how to fix this proftpd problem |
| 12:32.49 | S4nD3r | I tried Firefox, Ephipany |
| 12:32.54 | S4nD3r | but, happened too |
| 12:33.11 | Gnea | fatcow: use dpkg to remove the package instead of apt (apt is just a frontend to dpkg) |
| 12:33.24 | fatcow | ok |
| 12:33.37 | Gnea | dpkg<enter> and follow the help guides |
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| 12:33.41 | Gnea | very simple |
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| 12:35.12 | yang | linckraker: hmmm, can the address be arranged to something different |
| 12:35.17 | linckraker | yes |
| 12:35.25 | linckraker | once you get into the router you can configure it |
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| 12:37.19 | fatcow | so dpkg -r--force proftpd ??? |
| 12:37.23 | S4nD3r | VM is Virtual Machine??? |
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| 12:37.48 | S4nD3r | Theres something managed in kernel using VM ?:?? |
| 12:38.03 | jm_ | it means VM subsystem of the kernel |
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| 12:38.34 | S4nD3r | that works with what exactelly:? |
| 12:39.26 | jm_ | http://www.skynet.ie/~mel/projects/vm/ and read |
| 12:39.27 | fatcow | No too sure where I s hould put force into the command |
| 12:39.32 | S4nD3r | each 2 minutes my browser is killed |
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| 12:39.39 | jm_ | OOM killer most likely |
| 12:40.04 | zayfod | hi |
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| 12:40.48 | MyWay | jm i did all, i'm at last step, but don't know what to do |
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| 12:40.48 | jm_ | MyWay: do you have the deb file now? |
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| 12:40.50 | MyWay | it says dpkg -i *.deb |
| 12:40.53 | MyWay | no i dont |
| 12:40.57 | S4nD3r | again |
| 12:41.04 | S4nD3r | wheres the site yuou told? |
| 12:41.08 | S4nD3r | jm_, |
| 12:41.19 | jm_ | S4nD3r: what? |
| 12:41.25 | Gnea | mjm_: have you ever heard of a linux distro chooser? |
| 12:41.32 | Gnea | er, jm_ |
| 12:41.37 | jm_ | MyWay: then make-jpkg has failed |
| 12:41.41 | MyWay | fakeroot make-jpkg jre-java-linux-i586.bin |
| 12:41.41 | MyWay | Creating temporary directory: /tmp/make-jpkg.XXXXZMzVU5 |
| 12:41.41 | MyWay | Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh sun-j2sdk.sh |
| 12:41.41 | S4nD3r | about VM |
| 12:41.44 | Gnea | http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ |
| 12:41.46 | MyWay | it doesn't seem |
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| 12:42.11 | jm_ | Gnea: nope |
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| 12:42.16 | S4nD3r | VM subsystem |
| 12:42.22 | neuwald | hi folks |
| 12:42.23 | Gnea | jm_: checkit ^^^ |
| 12:42.25 | fatcow | how do I get dpkg to force uinstall something? |
| 12:42.29 | neuwald | I want to do a dowgrade of my X11 |
| 12:42.39 | neuwald | Now i'm using unstable xorg |
| 12:42.49 | Gnea | fatcow: what have you come up with so far? |
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| 12:42.50 | neuwald | but I wanna use again stable X11 |
| 12:42.53 | Gnea | fatcow: the --force-<whatever> is just another option |
| 12:42.55 | neuwald | how do it? |
| 12:42.56 | S4nD3r | please |
| 12:42.57 | zayfod | hi, I came here since I am newley using debian on my labtop. I noticed that the date was never right, and after a better look, I noticed that It is much to fast... |
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| 12:43.03 | fatcow | dpkg -r proftpd so far |
| 12:43.09 | Gnea | neuwald: reinstall |
| 12:43.10 | S4nD3r | where did you find information about VM Kernel Subsystem ? |
| 12:43.11 | zayfod | seems to go at least twice as fast |
| 12:43.12 | S4nD3r | jm_, |
| 12:43.17 | kombi | does it make sense to build a cluster with two boxes? where is a good howto? |
| 12:43.24 | Gnea | fatcow: ok, well all options go before the packagename, and -r is an option |
| 12:43.26 | S4nD3r | My session is killed each 9 minutes |
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| 12:44.00 | fatcow | with the simple -r I get the same error as with apt get |
| 12:44.05 | zayfod | does soùeone know how to set the time speed? |
| 12:44.07 | gb | kombi: for what purpose? |
| 12:44.12 | Gnea | fatcow: that is correct |
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| 12:44.15 | pureone | zayfod, tzconfig and ntpdate ntp.nasa.gov |
| 12:44.20 | neuwald | Gnea ok, do I deinstall Xorg and install again other, is it? |
| 12:44.26 | lkjlkjlkj | what is that error fatcow ? |
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| 12:44.35 | Gnea | fatcow: that's why you have to add the appropriate --force- option as well: dpkg -r --force-<option> proftpd |
| 12:44.38 | jm_ | Gnea: Debian, Ubuntu and Kubuntu ;) |
| 12:44.43 | fatcow | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/proftpd not found. |
| 12:44.49 | fatcow | ook |
| 12:44.50 | MyWay | jm_ but where the .deb have to appear? |
| 12:44.50 | Gnea | jm_: LOL, i had the same, plus mepis ;) |
| 12:44.50 | kombi | gb: to run a lamp |
| 12:44.53 | zayfod | I use ntpdate from time to time, but it just gets the actual time, no synchronization |
| 12:45.09 | jm_ | MyWay: in the current dir where you run it |
| 12:45.10 | fatcow | i did a force-all and still get the same error |
| 12:45.11 | zayfod | and re-setting local timezone makes no changes |
| 12:45.21 | lkjlkjlkj | fatcow, cool - that's not a major, tried purge ? |
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| 12:45.27 | yang | linckraker: you have linksys router connected on to the debian box |
| 12:45.33 | MyWay | and why it didn't? on the shell it seem work |
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| 12:45.49 | jm_ | it prints an error when it fails |
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| 12:46.08 | neuwald | Gnea is it, deinstall package and install the older version? |
| 12:46.41 | kombi | gb: why did you ask? |
| 12:46.43 | fatcow | how do I make it purge it? |
| 12:46.50 | neuwald | or apt-get --reinstall install X11 ? |
| 12:47.01 | MyWay | jm_ i can't see error i show you |
| 12:47.01 | lkjlkjlkj | fatcow, dpkg --help |
| 12:47.02 | MyWay | fakeroot make-jpkg jre-java-linux-i586.bin |
| 12:47.02 | MyWay | Creating temporary directory: /tmp/make-jpkg.XXXXZMzVU5 |
| 12:47.02 | MyWay | Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh sun-j2sdk.sh |
| 12:47.02 | MyWay | No matching plugin was found. |
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| 12:47.11 | zayfod | PUREONE: could frequency scaling be the origin of the problem? |
| 12:47.12 | MyWay | ops sorry |
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| 12:47.31 | jojo1978 | Hello |
| 12:47.39 | zayfod | hi |
| 12:47.51 | quasisane | zayfod: this is on an amd64 based system? |
| 12:47.52 | fatcow | cant locate purge in the help :S |
| 12:47.57 | yang | linckraker: the setup keeps asking me for password, if i type some random password it exits then |
| 12:48.09 | fatcow | nvm |
| 12:48.10 | fatcow | found it |
| 12:48.13 | lkjlkjlkj | same line as remove |
| 12:48.16 | jojo1978 | who is german-channel |
| 12:48.23 | Guerin | !de |
| 12:48.23 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 12:48.34 | jojo1978 | thanks |
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| 12:48.42 | kombi | anyone here familiar with clusters? |
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| 12:48.53 | Guerin | !anyone use clusters |
| 12:48.54 | dpkg | No, no one uses clusters, not even the people who use it. |
| 12:48.54 | zayfod | well, yes and no, the proc is 32 (sempron 3000+ mobile) but the chipset seems to be a K8 archi (using k8 powernow for freq scaling) |
| 12:48.56 | jm_ | MyWay: you've got wrong file, it should be named something like jre-1_x_y_zz-linux... |
| 12:49.06 | zayfod | but running all in 32 |
| 12:49.16 | kombi | Guerin: ? |
| 12:49.29 | Guerin | kombi: ask the question you really want answered. |
| 12:49.32 | zayfod | guerin: chris?? |
| 12:49.35 | MyWay | yes it is jm i renamed it for write more fast the name :P |
| 12:49.39 | quasisane | zayfod: it's a known problem with some amd64 systems. goole should turn up lots of info |
| 12:49.41 | jm_ | MyWay: rename it back |
| 12:49.45 | MyWay | oh ok |
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| 12:49.56 | kombi | Guerin: Is it worth the while to build one with two boxes to run lamp? |
| 12:50.08 | jm_ | MyWay: it's also possible you have too old version of make-jpkg to handle it properly |
| 12:50.10 | quasisane | zayfod: google that is. |
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| 12:50.44 | zayfod | thks |
| 12:51.02 | fatcow | dpkg -r --P proftpd |
| 12:51.02 | fatcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.19 | jm_ | it's either -r or -P, no need to use both |
| 12:51.23 | Gnea | heh |
| 12:51.30 | fatcow | okie |
| 12:51.30 | MyWay | hm ill try without change name now jm_ |
| 12:51.40 | Gnea | good ol' shakespear :) |
| 12:51.44 | fatcow | same error |
| 12:52.04 | Guerin | kombi: doubtful. Have one fun the mysqld and the other the webserver. |
| 12:52.08 | Guerin | zayfod: Louis. |
| 12:52.25 | Gnea | fatcow: ok try this: touch /etc/init.d/proftpd && dpkg --force-all -r proftpd |
| 12:52.26 | fatcow | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1475 |
| 12:52.51 | fatcow | seems to have worked : ) |
| 12:52.57 | Gnea | cool :) |
| 12:53.15 | zayfod | guerin: sorry, |
| 12:53.22 | kombi | Guerin: that's what I meant to do originally, just thought it might be a good opportunity to venture into clusters... |
| 12:53.23 | Guerin | zayfod: why? |
| 12:53.25 | fatcow | it did work |
| 12:53.26 | fatcow | wohooo |
| 12:53.42 | fatcow | Gnea, my and others, my life savers : ) |
| 12:54.14 | Gnea | fatcow: now try this.... |
| 12:54.54 | Gnea | fatcow: apt-get install proftpd && rm /etc/init.d/proftpd && dpkg --force-all -r proftpd |
| 12:55.01 | zayfod | guerin: cos I thouht u were someone else! |
| 12:55.10 | Gnea | fatcow: see if we can find where the real problem is at :) |
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| 12:55.45 | fatcow | wait, wont that just install proftpd, remove the file I shouldnt and then just try a force all remove? |
| 12:55.57 | fatcow | file I shouldnt have |
| 12:56.00 | Gnea | that is correct |
| 12:56.18 | Gnea | the idea is that you learn something from this in case it happens again |
| 12:56.25 | Gnea | unless you don't want to learn anything |
| 12:56.26 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:56.41 | fatcow | So if I do it again wont I just get the same errors as before? |
| 12:56.55 | Gnea | try it and see what happens |
| 12:57.00 | Guerin | !force-all |
| 12:57.00 | dpkg | force-all means you're working against the packaging system, not with it. Sometimes packages are broken and it's necessary, but almost always it means you're doing something wrong, and are setting yourself up for bigger problems down the line. YOU NEVER NEED TO USE --force-all. EVER. You might think you do, but YOU DO NOT. Don't fucking use it. |
| 12:57.02 | MyWay | jm_ it was because i renamed it, now it's working, it made the .deb package and im installing it |
| 12:57.02 | Gnea | we already know one solution |
| 12:57.04 | Guerin | Gnea: ^^^ |
| 12:57.06 | Gnea | and know that it works |
| 12:57.10 | erikyyy | uh, how do i get java to run unter mozilla? |
| 12:57.23 | Gnea | Guerin: elementary |
| 12:57.24 | fatcow | so we're going to find out other solutions to fix this? |
| 12:57.33 | Gnea | right |
| 12:57.44 | Gnea | the idea is to find a way that *doesn't* involve force-all |
| 12:57.58 | jm_ | erikyyy: ask MyWay |
| 12:57.58 | MyWay | i go try it now :P |
| 12:58.07 | MyWay | oh |
| 12:58.09 | MyWay | :P |
| 12:58.22 | fatcow | are you sure youre going to find that way out? |
| 12:58.24 | erikyyy | MyWay: i shall ask you how i get java in mozilla ): |
| 12:58.29 | MyWay | ahah |
| 12:58.31 | MyWay | :P |
| 12:58.42 | Gnea | Guerin: BTW, if --force-all wasn't meant to ever be used, it wouldn't have been included as a valid option. :P |
| 12:59.00 | MyWay | msg dpkg java-package erikyyy |
| 12:59.06 | MyWay | it will explain it to you :P |
| 12:59.08 | S4nD3r | help me |
| 12:59.13 | Gnea | Guerin: and removing it would be like the mentality of a gnome developer |
| 12:59.27 | zinosat | my .fetchmailrc was badly configured and "is username here" had an non-existing username in it. were's the mail gone? |
| 12:59.31 | fatcow | Guess you aint a gnome fan |
| 12:59.38 | Gnea | !tel S4nD3r about ask |
| 12:59.43 | S4nD3r | some process is monitoring my internet activities.... then, suddenly crashes my browser |
| 12:59.49 | Gnea | that is correct |
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| 12:59.56 | Gnea | there are some decent gnome apps, though |
| 12:59.58 | fatcow | Do you use ftp servers? |
| 13:00.06 | Gnea | sometimes |
| 13:00.07 | erikyyy | myway: i don't find "java-package" on debian unstable |
| 13:00.21 | fatcow | Any tips on a simple one to set up? |
| 13:00.27 | MyWay | i think you have to add the line on sources.list erikyyy |
| 13:00.30 | MyWay | i did the same :P |
| 13:00.36 | Gnea | heh, i use proftpd |
| 13:00.41 | Guerin | Gnea: that's true. |
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| 13:00.54 | Guerin | Gnea: but the point is that it's a sledgehammer to kill a fly |
| 13:00.58 | MyWay | add non-free contrib at the end of your main server source on sources.list |
| 13:01.01 | fatcow | oright just have to google a nice guide for proftpd |
| 13:01.04 | fatcow | !proftpd |
| 13:01.04 | dpkg | i heard proftpd is a professional GPL'd ftp server for unix and unix-like operating systems. Latest version is available in slink. The home page is: http://www.proftpd.org. Proftpd is also L33t as Flood's butt. or down or something or dropped from all the other dists because they can't keep security holes out of it... apparently the version in slink has several, as well. http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/ |
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| 13:01.18 | erikyyy | MyWay: a sorry now i understand |
| 13:01.25 | MyWay | ok :O |
| 13:01.38 | amaia | !pine |
| 13:01.39 | dpkg | pine: a non-DFSG-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include elm, mutt, spruce, sylpheed, balsa, and many other FREE readers. binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To get pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about "nano", or there MAY be additional help in #pine |
| 13:02.02 | Gnea | Guerin: if the introduction of a fly into a certain environment would cause a ripple effect of catostrophic plague, then it would be warranted |
| 13:02.05 | omry | anyone answered me about the usb memory stick question? I lost connection. |
| 13:02.07 | S4nD3r | lets go to #paste |
| 13:02.20 | S4nD3r | I may use copy/paste there?? |
| 13:02.28 | Gnea | !paster |
| 13:02.28 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 13:02.31 | olczyk | Help. I'm having trouble compiling the kernel, I keep getting stdarg.h no such file. |
| 13:02.36 | S4nD3r | Jan 6 11:00:31 localhost kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0) |
| 13:02.43 | S4nD3r | Jan 6 11:00:31 localhost kernel: VM: killing process epiphany |
| 13:02.56 | fatcow | !vsftpd |
| 13:02.56 | dpkg | i heard vsftpd is a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org ... |
| 13:03.00 | MyWay | jm_ i have to ask you a thing: wich is the path of java? a program is asking me for it :P |
| 13:03.02 | Gnea | S4nD3r: something is using up too much system resources |
| 13:03.08 | MyWay | how can i find it? :P |
| 13:03.13 | S4nD3r | Hummm... Gnea |
| 13:03.17 | Gnea | !tell MyWay about java |
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| 13:03.31 | S4nD3r | How do I discover which is using all of this ? |
| 13:03.35 | MyWay | i need the path Gnea i installed it now :P |
| 13:03.39 | Gnea | top and lsof |
| 13:03.50 | Gnea | top would be better in this case |
| 13:04.25 | jm_ | MyWay: /usr/lib/j2re* |
| 13:04.29 | S4nD3r | XFree86 is using 10.2 %MEM |
| 13:04.45 | MyWay | ok thanks |
| 13:05.03 | Gnea | fatcow: FYI, it is possible to recompile debian's proftpd to include TLS/SSL connections, although the cvs version works better |
| 13:05.45 | resiak | !b-e olczyk |
| 13:05.45 | dpkg | olczyk: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 13:05.47 | Guerin | and vsftpd works better still |
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| 13:05.49 | Gnea | S4nD3r: how much mem do you have total? |
| 13:05.50 | fatcow | oright |
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| 13:06.05 | S4nD3r | 256MB |
| 13:06.09 | fatcow | I might stick to vsftpd, a pal of mine uses it so I can always bugger him about it |
| 13:06.23 | jm_ | and it's using just 10%? you're doing fine |
| 13:06.30 | Gnea | Guerin: go and boil your bottom! |
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| 13:06.50 | Gnea | fatcow: use whatever you're comfortable with |
| 13:06.55 | MyWay | oh thanks again jm_ it's working :P |
| 13:07.05 | Gnea | S4nD3r: how much swap? |
| 13:07.11 | fatcow | Im not comfortable with either |
| 13:07.20 | S4nD3r | Swap: 0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 59568k cached |
| 13:07.27 | Gnea | er |
| 13:07.29 | yang | hm, nmap shows me the MAC address and IP of the linksys router, but the IP is not pingable, so i cant connect to it... |
| 13:07.32 | S4nD3r | Thats the problem |
| 13:07.36 | jm_ | S4nD3r: haha that's why OOM killer is kicking in |
| 13:07.37 | Guerin | vsftpd is at least easy to configure |
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| 13:07.41 | Guerin | and has few moving parts |
| 13:07.43 | Gnea | S4nD3r: output of this is? ps axf | wc -l |
| 13:07.45 | olczyk | resiak, I installed that last night. |
| 13:07.46 | S4nD3r | I dont have swap |
| 13:07.55 | S4nD3r | I need to create.... |
| 13:07.56 | Gnea | S4nD3r: that's why. |
| 13:07.59 | S4nD3r | Im so stupid |
| 13:08.05 | Gnea | nah |
| 13:08.10 | Gnea | learn by doing, is not stupid |
| 13:08.17 | S4nD3r | I will look for tips, how to do that... |
| 13:08.28 | Gnea | well you can do it one of two ways |
| 13:08.52 | fatcow | is glFTPd any good? |
| 13:08.56 | Gnea | you can repartition (which MAY mean reinstall, but not necessarily) and create a swap partition (i'd match the ram amount - make it 256megs) |
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| 13:09.05 | olczyk | I would be suprised if it was a missing package, because I built kernels successfully from this source two months ago. |
| 13:09.07 | jm_ | fatcow: vsftpd is good enough for kernel.org ... |
| 13:09.07 | Gnea | OR you can make a swapfile (again, 256megs) |
| 13:09.36 | fatcow | But im surt it also depends on who is setting it up, im sure they wouldnt find my setting up good enough |
| 13:09.40 | S4nD3r | I dont have time enough to reinstall |
| 13:09.43 | Gnea | !google linux swapfile howto |
| 13:09.50 | dpkg | Google says linux swapfile howto is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Swap-Space-7.html or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Swap-Space-8.html or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Swap-Space.html or http://dev.panopticsearch.com/swapfile-notes.html or http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Battery-Powered.html |
| 13:10.11 | stew | forget howto, just man swapon |
| 13:10.16 | fatcow | but this vsftpd is just for me, a friends of mine working on some school projects |
| 13:10.16 | stew | and mkswap |
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| 13:10.21 | zayfod | all the relative problems to doble speed seem to concern 64 dists, I am using a 32 dist |
| 13:10.23 | fatcow | -a |
| 13:10.37 | RelAjO | can someone help me with a zyxel 623 router configuration? |
| 13:10.44 | zayfod | thats why I don't understand the problem |
| 13:10.53 | Gnea | S4nD3r: check out that 4th link |
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| 13:12.55 | Gnea | linus says use ram*2.. i say that's a performance downgrader :P hrm, i'll have to do some research on this... |
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| 13:13.01 | xaxes|free | @work |
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| 13:13.13 | jm_ | I needed 3*RAM at times |
| 13:13.17 | Guerin | use as much swap as you think you'll ever need |
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| 13:13.28 | cafuego | !lart Guerin |
| 13:13.33 | TBBle | How would excess available swap downgrade performance? |
| 13:13.35 | Gnea | load some more programs and watch the system crawl |
| 13:13.40 | Guerin | if you have HDD to burn, put a couple gigs in |
| 13:13.56 | Guerin | cafuego: just because you can afford 8G of ram for every box you own ;) |
| 13:14.08 | cafuego | Guerin: Now now, only 1.5, not 8. |
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| 13:14.28 | fatcow__ | Any vsftpd users? |
| 13:14.28 | Guerin | just don't think of swap as extra ram; think of it as a safety net to warn you when you need to buy more ram. |
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| 13:14.40 | S4nD3r | /dev/hda1 * 1 1020 8193118+ 7 HPFS ou NTFS |
| 13:14.40 | S4nD3r | /dev/hda2 1021 2481 11735482+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 13:14.40 | S4nD3r | /dev/hda4 2482 2482 8032+ 83 Linux |
| 13:14.40 | S4nD3r | /dev/hda5 1021 2481 11735451 83 Linux |
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| 13:14.45 | Guerin | cafuego: huh ... you've been gone so long, I thought inflation was more than that. |
| 13:14.48 | fatcow | nvm |
| 13:14.52 | Shad0wcat | ewww NTFS |
| 13:14.56 | Guerin | fatcow: plenty. |
| 13:14.57 | Gnea | Guerin: even with lots of swap, there's still a performance hinderance when you've got firefox with 20 tabs, openoffice, the gimp, xmms, an email client and a few terminals running - then add on top of that some sort of memory-inefficient WM such as KDE or gnome[D |
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| 13:15.02 | cafuego | think of swap is a way of speeding up filesystem operations and handy self-cleaning /tmp |
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| 13:15.10 | Guerin | fatcow: telnet ftp.us.debian.org 21 |
| 13:15.11 | S4nD3r | /dev/hda1 * 1 1020 8193118+ 7 HPFS ou NTFS |
| 13:15.13 | S4nD3r | /dev/hda2 1021 2481 11735482+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 13:15.15 | Shad0wcat | actually |
| 13:15.16 | cafuego | Guerin: Whatnow, only 6 months or so? |
| 13:15.16 | S4nD3r | /dev/hda4 2482 2482 8032+ 83 Linux |
| 13:15.21 | S4nD3r | /dev/hda5 1021 2481 11735451 83 Linux |
| 13:15.22 | Gnea | !tell S4nD3r about paste |
| 13:15.28 | Guerin | cafuego: what've you been up to all this time? |
| 13:15.30 | S4nD3r | I guess I created something wrong |
| 13:15.30 | Shad0wcat | S4nD3r: stop pasting that crap here |
| 13:15.33 | Gnea | !tell S4nD3r about flood |
| 13:15.34 | Guerin | S4nD3r: you're stupid. |
| 13:15.39 | jm_ | Guerin: probably his turn to operate windmills back home |
| 13:15.42 | Shad0wcat | Guerin: you know |
| 13:15.47 | Shad0wcat | if you buy an I-Ram |
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| 13:15.48 | cafuego | Guerin: Moved distros and house, mainly :-) |
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| 13:15.55 | Guerin | jm_: i was going to joke about fingers in dykes. |
| 13:15.59 | jm_ | Guerin: haha |
| 13:15.59 | Shad0wcat | you could put /tmp onto a ram drive |
| 13:16.04 | Guerin | cafuego: ubuntu for everything? |
| 13:16.07 | Shad0wcat | that'd speed things up tremendously |
| 13:16.07 | cafuego | Guerin: Nearly... it wasn't my finger ;-) |
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| 13:16.15 | igooo | ? |
| 13:16.17 | cafuego | Guerin: Nono, just desktops. |
| 13:16.24 | Guerin | cafuego: thank goodness for that. |
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| 13:17.11 | cafuego | Guerin: I *am* running their local blootbot, though. |
| 13:17.23 | Guerin | cafuego: yeh, I noticed. |
| 13:17.36 | Gnea | Shad0wcat: yah, until the ram drive gets segments shifted into swap |
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| 13:17.53 | Gnea | Shad0wcat: unless you make the ramdrive a secured area |
| 13:18.02 | cafuego | bad cat noises |
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| 13:18.20 | chocolate | lguem fala portugueês aqui |
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| 13:18.27 | Gnea | !br |
| 13:18.27 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:18.28 | Guerin | !br |
| 13:18.28 | cafuego | !br |
| 13:18.32 | Guerin | pwnt |
| 13:18.33 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 13:18.36 | Gnea | slow |
| 13:18.37 | Gnea | :) |
| 13:18.46 | S4nD3r | Which command/programm may I use to create partitions without make any stupid error |
| 13:18.47 | cafuego | Guerin: I had to come all the way from the kitchen! |
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| 13:18.53 | Guerin | cafuego: with a cat! |
| 13:18.57 | chocolate | firmesa |
| 13:19.01 | cafuego | S4nD3r: A professional consultant. |
| 13:19.03 | chocolate | dscadc |
| 13:19.03 | Gnea | S4nD3r: fdisk works |
| 13:19.10 | bull-dog_ | any bofy can explain me how to switch beetween gcc versions |
| 13:19.19 | cafuego | Guerin: I was actually checking on why they were making funny noises... |
| 13:19.21 | Gnea | S4nD3r: you can make modifications but not save it until you're sure |
| 13:19.23 | Guerin | bull-dog_: MAKEFLAGS= |
| 13:19.28 | Shad0wcat | S4nD3r: call cafuego and pay him hourly |
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| 13:19.34 | Shad0wcat | he'll fix everything up for you |
| 13:19.36 | kilo_ | has anyone got mplayer to work as non-root on Debian sarge, mplayer was downloaded from some repository someone mentioned in this channel. |
| 13:19.38 | chocolate | alguem pode me ajudar |
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| 13:20.00 | Guerin | kilo_: mplayer DOES NOT require root to play |
| 13:20.01 | Shad0wcat | ok then |
| 13:20.03 | Shad0wcat | pay Guerin |
| 13:20.04 | cafuego | chocolate: /join #debian-br |
| 13:20.11 | Gnea | !tell chocolate about br |
| 13:20.16 | fatcow | any good guides for vsftd? |
| 13:20.23 | Guerin | ok. My rate is only $100/hour, much cheaper than cafuego |
| 13:20.27 | cafuego | fatcow: Just install & ftp. |
| 13:20.30 | Guerin | fatcow: man vsftpd.conf |
| 13:20.39 | cafuego | fatcow: Plonk files in /home/ftp |
| 13:20.42 | Guerin | fatcow: there's really not much to it. |
| 13:20.43 | fatcow | thanks |
| 13:20.47 | fatcow | we;; |
| 13:20.49 | fatcow | well |
| 13:20.50 | cafuego | fatcow: if you need to enable non-anon users, read the manpage. |
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| 13:21.04 | bull-dog_ | Guerin: ok, it helps me if i have "C compiler cannot create executables export ubuntu" error? |
| 13:21.04 | kilo_ | Guerin, I aggree, but I cant get it to display with a user....only root displays in x |
| 13:21.07 | fatcow | I want people to have axx to mounted hdds /slavehdd /slavemaster and /linuxdistros |
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| 13:21.21 | Guerin | kilo_: whose x session is it? |
| 13:21.21 | S4nD3r | Is it possible to resize / partition ?? |
| 13:21.22 | cafuego | SHit, the upstarits feng-shui class is moving furniture again |
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| 13:21.30 | kilo_ | Guerin, a user |
| 13:21.31 | Guerin | !b-e bull-dog_ |
| 13:21.31 | dpkg | bull-dog_: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 13:21.36 | Guerin | kilo_: the same user? |
| 13:21.37 | cafuego | S4nD3r: without destroying the system? |
| 13:21.41 | Gnea | S4nD3r: not while it's mounted |
| 13:21.42 | fatcow | hm |
| 13:21.53 | streuner | cafuego: isn't Feng Shui the asian humbug? |
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| 13:22.01 | S4nD3r | I dont have space to create swap |
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| 13:22.03 | fatcow | so youre saying I should just mount the hdds into /home/ftp ? |
| 13:22.03 | kilo_ | Guerin, then su to root and it works.... but if I try to use as user, it does not work |
| 13:22.04 | Guerin | streuner: it's one of many asian humbugs. |
| 13:22.05 | cafuego | streuner: yes |
| 13:22.13 | Guerin | kilo_: what error? |
| 13:22.17 | cafuego | ".. another one being Guerin." |
| 13:22.21 | Guerin | kilo_: and what -vo |
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| 13:22.24 | kilo_ | hangon |
| 13:22.25 | linoleum | hello guys , do you have error today with apt-get dist-upgrade , with a Xlibs package?? |
| 13:22.27 | Guerin | cafuego: bah, hu ... |
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| 13:22.40 | cafuego | bull-dog_: if ./configure complains about ubuntu you're in the wrong channel. |
| 13:22.53 | bull-dog_ | i've have already installed build-essential anf tthey worked... worked for some period=( and now dont =((( |
| 13:22.55 | Guerin | cafuego: i leave korea in 48 days! |
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| 13:23.04 | cafuego | Guerin: No more kimchi! |
| 13:23.07 | kilo_ | Guerin, http://pastebin.com/493246 |
| 13:23.17 | cafuego | Guerin: ... but you're missing out on linux.conf.au :-( |
| 13:23.28 | kilo_ | Guerin, just does not display :( |
| 13:23.33 | Guerin | cafuego: and debconf too |
| 13:23.35 | bull-dog_ | cafuego: nobody on #ubuntu and #ubuntu-ru can help me |
| 13:23.46 | streuner | !they don't know |
| 13:23.46 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 13:23.46 | cafuego | bull-dog_: Well |
| 13:23.56 | cafuego | pizza pick-up |
| 13:24.06 | kilo_ | Guerin, -vo is left out. |
| 13:24.13 | Guerin | kilo_: try -vo xv |
| 13:24.27 | Guerin | kilo_: i need to see your command line |
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| 13:24.49 | hellrazor | hi there guys |
| 13:24.54 | Guerin | kilo_: looks as if it's using -vo fbdev or similar |
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| 13:25.22 | tuxevara | hi folks |
| 13:25.24 | linoleum | hello guys , do you have error today with apt-get dist-upgrade , with a Xlibs package?? |
| 13:25.35 | kilo_ | Guerin, http://pastebin.com/493251 is with -vo xv |
| 13:25.38 | Shad0wcat | !tell linoleum about unstable |
| 13:25.50 | streuner | linoleum: /msg dpkg paster |
| 13:25.59 | streuner | linoleum: and show us what you got |
| 13:25.59 | kilo_ | Guerin, thats what I thought, but works as root |
| 13:26.07 | tuxevara | i want to create a deb package from a bunch of shell scripts, but i could not find any suitable howto |
| 13:26.12 | Shad0wcat | he probably upgraded xlibs in unstable |
| 13:26.19 | Shad0wcat | in which case he should have read the bug report |
| 13:26.31 | tuxevara | all howtos i could fing where for real source packages |
| 13:26.32 | streuner | well, it was painless for me |
| 13:26.39 | Guerin | kilo_: what video card and driver? Seems you don't have xv. You can also try -vo x11 |
| 13:27.16 | jm_ | or -vo caca :) |
| 13:27.18 | kilo_ | Guerin, radeon 9800 pro.... with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 i have used ati |
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| 13:27.33 | Guerin | hrm, that definitely should be xv-worthy |
| 13:27.55 | kilo_ | very strange :s |
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| 13:27.58 | feistel | hi |
| 13:28.00 | FallOnMe | kilo_: you should be able to use xv. Can you try xvidix just for fun? |
| 13:28.01 | streuner | linoleum: so you upgraded from testing to unstable? |
| 13:28.04 | feistel | I need help |
| 13:28.14 | streuner | !tell feistel about ask |
| 13:28.18 | Shad0wcat | !need |
| 13:28.19 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definately don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. |
| 13:28.32 | Guerin | haha |
| 13:28.42 | kilo_ | FallOnMe, nope |
| 13:28.46 | Guerin | need is also you do need beer, though. |
| 13:28.48 | feistel | hi, again |
| 13:28.50 | Guerin | !need is also you do need beer, though. |
| 13:28.50 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 13:29.18 | feistel | I have 1.5GB of RAM, but my Debian kernel only say 1GB, why? |
| 13:29.18 | FallOnMe | Guerin: beer IS food. |
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| 13:29.24 | Guerin | !need =~ s/defina/defini/ |
| 13:29.24 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 13:29.26 | linoleum | streuner: no, from unstable to unstable, regular upgrade... but if you know my problem abtout xlibs, well I just need to wait few days then it will be fixed in the repository. :) |
| 13:29.29 | Guerin | FallOnMe: oh, you're right. |
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| 13:29.42 | stew | feistel: what cpu do you have and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 13:29.47 | fatcow | bbl |
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| 13:29.59 | streuner | linoleum: use the paster bot |
| 13:30.05 | feistel | stew, whait a second.... |
| 13:30.10 | Mega[OUT-JOBiand | Hello. Good morning. Somebody knows as can modify output directory standard of the Cups? I looked a directive one in cupsd.conf, but I did not find. |
| 13:30.12 | FallOnMe | Beer's classified as food in Germany I think. |
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| 13:30.21 | Guerin | FallOnMe: oh, most anywhere. |
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| 13:30.35 | linoleum | streuner: well sorry, I'm noob about irc, I dont know how the paster bot works :/ |
| 13:30.50 | Guerin | FallOnMe: 30% of the daily energy intage of the average 11th-century english peasant was beer. |
| 13:30.53 | Guerin | or so I'm told |
| 13:30.53 | zyz | debian apt-update NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F. why? |
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| 13:31.02 | Gnea | zyz: /topic |
| 13:31.03 | strk | how do I cleanup package cache ? |
| 13:31.03 | Guerin | zyz: because you didn't read the topic |
| 13:31.07 | streuner | linoleum: type into your irc-client '/msg dpkg paster' and read what the bot tell you |
| 13:31.12 | Guerin | strk: apt-get clean |
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| 13:31.18 | linoleum | streuner: all right:) |
| 13:31.25 | hellrazor | Hi, there can someone tell me the differences between gentoo and debian ? I used gentoo but now it sucks for me. |
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| 13:31.25 | strk | thanks |
| 13:31.35 | feistel | stew, 2.4.30 |
| 13:31.47 | Guerin | hellrazor: debian is good, gentoo is shit |
| 13:31.54 | Guerin | hellrazor: ok? |
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| 13:31.59 | stew | feistel: when you compiled your kernel you didn't enable HIGMEM supprt in processor type and options |
| 13:32.12 | EdLin | hellrazor: why not install Debian and find out yourself? |
| 13:32.18 | hellrazor | I never used Debian before so i can't decide which is better |
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| 13:32.24 | feistel | stew, HIGHMEM is for more of 1GB ? |
| 13:32.29 | streuner | !d-i hellrazor |
| 13:32.29 | dpkg | hellrazor, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:32.35 | cusco | hellrazor: can I ask you why gentoo sucks for you? |
| 13:32.43 | hellrazor | cusco sure |
| 13:32.47 | stew | feistel: yes, off is <1g, 4g is 1-4G and 64g is for 4-64g |
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| 13:33.00 | feistel | stew ok thanks! |
| 13:33.03 | zyz | Guerin: where is the topic? |
| 13:33.12 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.26 | jm_ | feis;there's also a kernel patch that lets you use whole of it without HIGHMEM enabled, but then you have to sacrifice user-space size |
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| 13:33.31 | linoleum | streuner: ok , I pasted it , so what should I do know? |
| 13:33.31 | jm_ | too late |
| 13:33.33 | hellrazor | the bunch of updates made me going crazy and much of the updates didn't tell me anything about the changes |
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| 13:34.02 | streuner | linoleum: give us the URL |
| 13:34.09 | hellrazor | so sometimes old config's doesn't work for newer version without some information about that |
| 13:34.14 | yang | I get an answer with nmap it shows IP and MAC address, but i dont receive any ping from that device?? |
| 13:34.35 | linoleum | streuner: ok!! :) http://channels.debian.net/paste/1477 |
| 13:34.36 | hellrazor | cusco It also changes too fast... |
| 13:34.49 | Mega[OUT-JOBiand | Hello. Good morning. Somebody knows as can modify output directory standard of the Cups? I looked a directive one in cupsd.conf, but I did not find. |
| 13:35.08 | EdLin | hellrazor: apt-listchanges prevents that, that is if you're running testing or unstable and get lots of changes, if you run stable you only get security fixes so you don't need it then |
| 13:35.25 | chocolate | algum sabe o canal brasileiro |
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| 13:35.40 | hellrazor | oh so the stable version hasn't so much changes ? |
| 13:35.44 | chocolate | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.44 | stew | !br |
| 13:35.44 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 13:35.50 | EdLin | hellrazor: right |
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| 13:36.10 | FallOnMe | Isn't apt-listchanges only optional? |
| 13:36.18 | zyz | Gnea,Guerin: thank you! |
| 13:36.21 | EdLin | FallOnMe: true |
| 13:36.26 | hellrazor | and how does it looks with newer hardware ? |
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| 13:37.21 | cahoot | Mega[OUT-JOBiand: I don't really understand what you want to achieve - this might be of help though: http://www.linuxprinting.org/till/printing-tutorial/tut.html#CONTENTS |
| 13:37.41 | Znh | Is cifs included in the 2.6.12 kernel? |
| 13:37.41 | EdLin | hellrazor: Sarge can handle whatever 2.6.8 can handle if you install it with "linux26" or apt-get it later |
| 13:37.51 | Znh | of debian precompield |
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| 13:38.10 | Guerin | !cifs |
| 13:38.10 | dpkg | i guess cifs is Common Internet File System or see SMB, or it is basically SMB without NBT |
| 13:38.23 | hellrazor | EdLin this sounds quite nice. Time to read te install handbook. :-) |
| 13:38.26 | possie | how big is a word in linux? 4bytes? |
| 13:38.28 | stew | Znh: yes |
| 13:38.29 | Guerin | hrm, isn't that broken windows-connectivity shite? |
| 13:38.36 | petemc | no |
| 13:38.42 | rovragge | Is there any way to speed up dpkg when installing new packages in the "Reading database...." step? on my desktop I probably have a zillion unneccessary packages installed, and this makes dpkg painfully slow.. ? Is there some database cleanup which could help besides uninstalling packages? |
| 13:38.48 | petemc | its microsofts name for smb |
| 13:38.57 | stew | Guerin: its the less broken than smbfs version |
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| 13:39.05 | pureone | rovragge, if you think thats slow try gentoo... |
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| 13:39.36 | Guerin | stew: oh, ok. |
| 13:39.37 | streuner | linoleum: well, there is an error in the script xlibs-data.preinst |
| 13:39.40 | rovragge | pureone: I'm just comparing performance to the way dpkg runs on some similar hardware but with other mix of packages installed |
| 13:39.46 | NgD | rovragge, I think if you ignore your dependences it would get faster |
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| 13:39.54 | rovragge | NgD: how? |
| 13:39.55 | S4nD3r | I need help. |
| 13:40.04 | NgD | ignore-depends=package |
| 13:40.04 | CKD | how can i run moadprobe every startup ? |
| 13:40.10 | S4nD3r | I dont have free space to create the swap |
| 13:40.20 | streuner | linoleum: option 1) you fix that script or 2) you mv them temporailly into /tmp and just install it via 'apt-get -f install' |
| 13:40.21 | Guerin | stew: delete porn |
| 13:40.22 | S4nD3r | How to do ? |
| 13:40.26 | Guerin | S4nD3r: |
| 13:40.28 | NgD | rovragge, you should read the man page also :) |
| 13:40.34 | Guerin | stew: disregard |
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| 13:40.49 | EdLin | hellrazor: you probably don't need to read the install handbook, unlike gentoo Debian comes with a real installation program |
| 13:40.58 | webwolf_27 | can somebody please help me with an exim4 problem. Either I have an open SMTP relay or I can't send mail outside the server. I tried editing the password file for auth login but the password still isn't accepted |
| 13:41.21 | hellrazor | EdLin oh so, but i will still read it. Better i am knowing what i am doing :-) |
| 13:41.24 | S4nD3r | I have / with 12GB |
| 13:41.31 | EdLin | hellrazor: OK, not a bad idea |
| 13:41.32 | S4nD3r | But theres no space to create swap partition |
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| 13:41.42 | S4nD3r | And, I cant format machine to re install all again |
| 13:42.00 | petemc | you can use a file as swap now without any performance issues |
| 13:42.02 | webwolf_27 | S4nD3r, create a swap file |
| 13:42.04 | linoleum | streuner: thanks a lot mate, well I can't fix the script because I dont have enought skills about it :( so I'm going to use the -f option. :) |
| 13:42.25 | NgD | Hey, how can I send a package of my own to debian packages?I mean it would be avaliable on apt-get :P |
| 13:42.29 | S4nD3r | ?? webwolf_27 |
| 13:42.51 | S4nD3r | Do you have all steps to do that? |
| 13:43.02 | quasisane | linoleum: i can't read french very well but it looks like the error is that install of xlibs-data fails because it's trying to replace a file that belongs to xlibs. is that correct? |
| 13:43.03 | Guerin | NgD: #debian-mentors |
| 13:43.09 | stew | NgD: you have to find a DD to sponsor it, post an RFS on the debian-mentors mailing list so they can help you fix the packaging and maybe you will find a sponsor that way |
| 13:43.10 | streuner | linoleum: for option 2) mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/xlibs-data.preinst /tmp |
| 13:43.21 | streuner | linoleum: for option 2) apt-get -f install |
| 13:43.42 | webwolf_27 | S4nD3r, dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/swap/file bs=1024 count=numkb |
| 13:43.46 | NgD | thanks |
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| 13:44.08 | stew | linoleum: have you checked the bts? |
| 13:44.09 | streuner | linoleum: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:44.10 | NgD | and what's a dd?I am from brazil :P |
| 13:44.14 | bbrazil | !br |
| 13:44.14 | stew | !dd |
| 13:44.14 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:44.14 | dpkg | [dd] a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 13:44.17 | streuner | linoleum: and check BTS |
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| 13:44.25 | webwolf_27 | S4nD3r, then mkswap /path/to/swap/file then swapon /path/to/swap/file |
| 13:44.35 | SnuS | asking again .. my courierimapd is acting weird. after the user does a SELECT on his inbox, it doesn't do anything. it dies. any suggestions on debugging ? strace shows this: bind(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(942), sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 16) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) // connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(111), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16, then it times out. it got fixed by a reboot, but is happening again. |
| 13:44.53 | webwolf_27 | can somebody please help me with an exim4 problem. Either I have an open SMTP relay or I can't send mail outside the server. |
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| 13:45.03 | stew | linoleum: you may find a bug in the bts that has a workaround, if you don't find a bug at all, please report one |
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| 13:45.55 | petemc | webwolf_27: telnet relay-test.mail-abuse.org |
| 13:45.56 | linoleum | ok guys, I'm goint to check the BTS then post my error if it's needed |
| 13:46.34 | linoleum | quasisane: yes, you're right about the error it's excactly what you said |
| 13:46.56 | NgD | "stew !dd" wh00t? |
| 13:46.59 | quasisane | linoleum: did you try running apt-get dist-upgrade again after you got the rror? |
| 13:47.06 | NgD | bbrazil, :o |
| 13:47.23 | stew | NgD: look at the line that the "dpkg" bot wrote afterwards, or /msg dpkg dd |
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| 13:47.32 | webwolf_27 | petemc, error 403 |
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| 13:47.48 | quasisane | linoleum: you'll see this type of error alot using sid, it's usually just a file moved from 'package' to 'package-dev' or 'package-common' |
| 13:47.49 | Garp | Question: I'm unsing testing and since quite some time KDE is not really available on testing. Should I wait or move to unstable? Thanks. |
| 13:47.52 | streuner | dpkg, dbugs 345645 |
| 13:47.55 | dpkg | #345645:N[xlibs-data] xlibs-data: Prompted about unchanged conffile /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/dvorak; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:33:47 UTC |
| 13:48.01 | S4nD3r | dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=262144 |
| 13:48.04 | S4nD3r | mkswap /swapfile |
| 13:48.09 | S4nD3r | swapon /swapfile |
| 13:48.13 | mirf | hello all |
| 13:48.15 | petemc | webwolf_27: hmm? you using a browser? |
| 13:48.16 | S4nD3r | Thats correct? |
| 13:48.19 | NgD | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.22 | NgD | ops |
| 13:48.24 | quasisane | linoleum: rerunning the apt-get command usually clears it up |
| 13:48.24 | NgD | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.25 | webwolf_27 | petemc, yep |
| 13:48.27 | NgD | jeaiaehuae sorry |
| 13:48.37 | petemc | webwolf_27: you didnt see the "telnet" part? |
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| 13:48.46 | NgD | debian developer.. |
| 13:48.47 | NgD | cool |
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| 13:48.59 | linoleum | quasisane: yes, I have just done apt-get -f install , and it seems fixed :) |
| 13:49.10 | linoleum | streuner: well, the problem is already known |
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| 13:49.34 | webwolf_27 | petemc, nope sorry |
| 13:49.39 | streuner | linoleum: 345645? |
| 13:49.48 | streuner | dpkg, dbugs 345645 |
| 13:49.52 | dpkg | #345645:N[xlibs-data] xlibs-data: Prompted about unchanged conffile /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/dvorak; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:33:47 UTC |
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| 13:50.10 | streuner | linoleum: ^^^: this one? |
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| 13:51.09 | linoleum | streuner: hum no finaly , mine is : /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/ar |
| 13:51.10 | fly_80 | how can i hear mp3 audio files with etch ? ( vlc is not in the repository ) |
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| 13:51.41 | Garp | fly_80: xmms ? |
| 13:51.44 | streuner | linoleum: well, 345645 is the only bug i can found for xlibs-data which is for this upgrade responsible... |
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| 13:52.10 | webwolf_27 | petemc, you meen from the server |
| 13:52.11 | streuner | linoleum: nobody kills you if you just report that bug... |
| 13:52.14 | linoleum | streuner: I'm not sure, but my error seems diferent as it is not about dvorak but I dont want to post a wrong bug :) |
| 13:52.23 | petemc | webwolf_27: right |
| 13:52.27 | fly_80 | Garp: it doesn't work ( i have totem and the audio doesn't work there ) |
| 13:52.29 | streuner | linoleum: just report it |
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| 13:52.43 | linoleum | streuner: well, I'm going to post the bug then :) |
| 13:52.49 | webwolf_27 | petemc, just a sec I'll ssh to the server |
| 13:52.50 | streuner | fine |
| 13:53.10 | fatcow | I have linked the a dyndns_update.sh to rc5.d, somehow it does not update the dns, i have to run it manually, anyway to fix it? |
| 13:53.34 | fatcow | its a soft link |
| 13:53.36 | fatcow | ln -s |
| 13:53.39 | linoleum | all of you, I really apreciate your help ! |
| 13:53.43 | stew | fly_80: xmms, mpg321, quodlibet, apt-cache search mp3 player |
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| 13:53.49 | streuner | fatcow: why not using ddclient? |
| 13:53.57 | paulo | zz |
| 13:54.00 | fatcow | im using ipcheck |
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| 13:54.11 | streuner | ddclient is painless |
| 13:54.11 | S4nD3r | To create swap partition in sarge, is it default during the instalation |
| 13:54.12 | fatcow | soyou recommend me to use ddclient? |
| 13:54.18 | jm_ | s4d;of course |
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| 13:54.26 | streuner | jm_: yes |
| 13:54.32 | streuner | fatcow: yes |
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| 13:54.37 | streuner | jm_: typo... |
| 13:54.41 | Garp | fly_80: did you tried to reconfigure the audio output ? |
| 13:55.14 | fatcow | easy to set it to run at boot up before users login? |
| 13:55.15 | Garp | fly_80: If you use some sound daemon it may take over the sound card, and you have to go through it to get something out |
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| 13:55.18 | fly_80 | Garp: the audio system works...only in totem i have this problem |
| 13:55.46 | fatcow | streunner easy to set it to run at boot up before users login? |
| 13:56.06 | streuner | fatcow: its setting up dyndns at boottime |
| 13:56.28 | fatcow | ok do i have to uninstall ipcheck? |
| 13:56.34 | streuner | fatcow: just install it and see for yourself |
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| 13:56.56 | streuner | fatcow: i wouldn't run 2 dyn DNS apps |
| 13:57.36 | fatcow | ok |
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| 13:58.27 | fatcow | what do they mean by Interface used for dynamic dns? |
| 13:58.30 | Garp | fly_80: I cant say much more, I dont know totem, sorry |
| 13:58.42 | fly_80 | uh ok |
| 13:58.47 | webwolf_27 | petemc, it's not a relay right now. But I can't send mails to non-local domains either |
| 13:59.17 | petemc | webwolf_27: exim -d -bt some@address |
| 13:59.18 | webwolf_27 | petemc, does the password in passwd.client need to be encrypted? |
| 13:59.38 | petemc | webwolf_27: oh, check /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/ |
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| 14:01.04 | webwolf_27 | petemc, you mean /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.SMTP-AUTH ? I was there |
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| 14:01.26 | mortal | hello |
| 14:01.40 | Zugschlus | webwolf_27: as you have been told on #exim a few hours ago, you need to do SMTP AUTH |
| 14:01.42 | mortal | is someone here using debian on a amd64 system with the free radeon driver? |
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| 14:01.49 | idealbsd | it say "experimental-is-in-dists-now" in debian pool, is it means I can change sid to experimental or still keep sid and experimental both as before? |
| 14:02.02 | mortal | I would like to know how 32 bit programs using opengl worl |
| 14:02.06 | webwolf_27 | Zugschlus, thats what I've been trying to do |
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| 14:02.28 | hellrazor | Is it better to use the netinstall iso then downloading the other ones? |
| 14:02.31 | streuner | fatcow: less /usr/share/doc/ddclient/examples/sample-etc_ddclient.conf |
| 14:02.35 | Zugschlus | webwolf_27: try http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html#id2452320 |
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| 14:03.01 | webwolf_27 | Zugschlus, on my way |
| 14:03.13 | fatcow | thanks streuner |
| 14:03.24 | Garp | hellrazor: yes, netinstaller is far better usually. |
| 14:03.36 | Garp | hellrazor: unless installing offline machines, of course ;) |
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| 14:04.06 | streuner | fatcow: just edit that to your need and copy it to /etc/ddclient.conf |
| 14:04.31 | webwolf_27 | Zugschlus, I did that, but the password is refused |
| 14:04.53 | idealbsd | it say "experimental-is-in-dists-now" in debian pool, is it means I can change sid to experimental or still keep sid and experimental both as before? |
| 14:05.17 | Zugschlus | idealbsd: change "../project/experimental" to just "experimental" in your sources list |
| 14:05.27 | bizkit | !ifhtays |
| 14:05.35 | bizkit | !iyhtays |
| 14:05.35 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 14:05.37 | bizkit | :-) |
| 14:05.50 | Zugschlus | I do not have an idea whether doing so is the recommended way doing since ftpmaster hasn't bothered to announce the change yet |
| 14:06.04 | quasisane | idealbsd: and keep your sid lines |
| 14:06.05 | hellrazor | Garp thx i think so too. |
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| 14:06.18 | Foo-Bart | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.21 | Zugschlus | webwolf_27: then try swaks to find out whether you have a client or a server problem |
| 14:06.29 | idealbsd | Zugschlus, quasisane, thanks a lot :) |
| 14:06.38 | webwolf_27 | Zugschlus, swaks? |
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| 14:06.49 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell webwolf_27 about swaks |
| 14:07.00 | Zugschlus | *groan* |
| 14:07.10 | Garp | Foo-Bart: I read 'knoppix-installer' in your question... I'm afraid we're on #debian, here. |
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| 14:07.17 | webwolf_27 | Zugschlus, does the password in the file need to be encrypted somehow? |
| 14:07.18 | Zugschlus | !dpkg, swaks is a very handy command-line tool for testing SMTP setups |
| 14:07.18 | dpkg | Zugschlus: okay |
| 14:07.26 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell webwolf_27 about swaks |
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| 14:07.45 | webwolf_27 | man swaks |
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| 14:08.12 | Foo-Bart | Garp: Yep, but but my question is really about chroot and how to get stuff done with :) |
| 14:08.16 | quiet | what am I missing if it says C compiler cannot create executables ?? |
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| 14:08.28 | SlayerXP | quiet: you're missing a C compiler |
| 14:08.28 | Garp | Foo-Bart: OK, trying to read further ;) |
| 14:08.36 | webwolf_27 | Zugschlus, no swaks there |
| 14:08.38 | stew | quiet: you missed the part where you read the FAQ, but install build-essential |
| 14:08.41 | quiet | SlayerXP, i have gcc and g++ installed |
| 14:08.44 | streuner | fatcow: i guess interface is the value where it should get the IP for your-site.dyndns.org |
| 14:08.49 | quiet | stew, thank you. |
| 14:09.05 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell webwolf_27 about apt-cache |
| 14:09.31 | jm_ | !tell webwolf_27 -about installit |
| 14:09.34 | Garp | Foo-Bart: If you want to work that way with a ro FS, you have to create some RAM fs, I think. With at least /tmp /var/something and /mnt, in your case... But never done that. |
| 14:09.37 | webwolf_27 | Zugschlus, I know apt-cache |
| 14:09.42 | Zugschlus | webwolf_27: which part of "crypted-password is the crypt(3)-created hash of your password." didn't you understand? |
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| 14:10.16 | Foo-Bart | Garp: E.g. I can't even read man pages as the ISO's /tmp is also ro |
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| 14:10.21 | Zugschlus | webwolf_27: and yet you're unable to ask apt-cache about swaks? |
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| 14:10.41 | webwolf_27 | Zugschlus, I was in the process of doing that |
| 14:10.49 | Garp | Zugschlus: The problem is the (3) in that sentence, I'm afraid. There are small programs to generate those password, no ? |
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| 14:11.29 | Foo-Bart | Garp: OK. So I should probably boot with a largish ramdisk (??) |
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| 14:11.53 | Garp | Foo-Bart: the ramdisk may be large enough, but you have to boot with /tmp on it, for example ;) |
| 14:12.16 | webwolf_27 | Zugschlus, Ok it's a client problem# |
| 14:12.18 | webwolf_27 | Zugschlus, Ok it's a client problem |
| 14:12.19 | Zugschlus | Garp: foo(x) is UNIX convention to refer to a function or a program that is described in manual chapter x |
| 14:12.24 | Garp | Foo-Bart: /tmp shouldnt be on the ISO |
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| 14:13.14 | Garp | Zugschlus: yes, and (3) means 'C API' or something kile that: not a simple stuff one can call from shell. but I'm sure there are some 'htpasswd' or whatever named tool that does that. |
| 14:13.39 | Foo-Bart | Garp: Unfortunatley, it IS :( |
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| 14:13.49 | zignig | bleh! |
| 14:14.19 | Garp | Foo-Bart: then, I really dont see how you could sort this problem out. Another chroot ? On the ramdisk, that time. |
| 14:14.26 | Zugschlus | Garp: well, I expect from somebody who wants to run a mail server on the public internet to have at least some basic knowledge of unix mechanisms |
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| 14:15.02 | Garp | Zugschlus: you expect too much ;) |
| 14:15.57 | Garp | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.19 | jm_ | naah, Knoppix is using unionfs to do it these days |
| 14:16.24 | Garp | Foo-Bart: if you chroot to the ISO itself, / is RO and... Well, I dont know what you cand do from there :( |
| 14:16.30 | Foo-Bart | Garp: Sounds vaguely possible. Would I need to boot into a minimal linux on the rd, mount what I really want and then do the chroot thing? |
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| 14:17.01 | zignig | Garp: selinux is the go if you are that paranoid. |
| 14:17.14 | Garp | Foo-Bart : I dont know for sure the technics,;never done it. Take any linux install CD and look at how t works. |
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| 14:18.34 | Foo-Bart | Garp: OK. Might be easiest to just copy the ISO (~5.5 GB), make the copy rw and take it from there with the undisturbed ISO |
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| 14:19.12 | Garp | Foo-Bart: I forgot about your original needs, sorry, it may work, but there may be simple means to do what you want to. |
| 14:19.17 | jm_ | Foo-Bart: you can't mount iso9660 fs rw |
| 14:19.33 | ecidadania19 | #debian-br |
| 14:19.55 | Garp | jm_: ... good point. |
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| 14:20.18 | Garp | I may well as my question again, maybe... |
| 14:20.31 | Garp | Question: I'm unsing testing and since quite some time KDE is not really available on testing. Should I wait or move to unstable? Thanks. |
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| 14:20.46 | Zugschlus | Garp: if you need to ask, you shouldn't move to unstable |
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| 14:21.01 | StuckMojo | hi. i built my 2.6 kernel with kernel-package. i want to add a new module (usb printing). is there any way to get it to build just that module? |
| 14:21.12 | randey | I get gpg error while apt-get update. The error is public key is not available |
| 14:21.14 | StuckMojo | i haven't yet done a make-kpkg clean |
| 14:21.14 | xyba | why debian stable has the php package compiled with --without-mysql ? |
| 14:21.19 | Foo-Bart | jm_: That might work, but I probably still need to change the perms on a copy of the ISO (I daren't disturb it as I lack the knowledge to do anything sophisticated) |
| 14:21.28 | Garp | Zugschlus: (that's not a very helpful answer) |
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| 14:21.36 | atax | randey, look the topic |
| 14:21.45 | Zugschlus | Garp: it is the answer that saves you from shooting yourself in the foot |
| 14:21.49 | jm_ | Foo-Bart: what perms? |
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| 14:21.52 | randey | atax: thanks |
| 14:22.01 | atax | :) |
| 14:22.07 | Garp | Foo-Bart: no, jm_ is right. tghis FS cant be made rw, not a question of the media but of the FS itself... |
| 14:22.14 | zignig | atax: is there any reason why apt-get can't get the latest key by itself ? |
| 14:22.28 | stew | zignig: that would defeat the purpose |
| 14:22.36 | Garp | Zugschlus: why ? |
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| 14:23.06 | TBBle | atax: Structure of the debian-keyring package changed and apt-key didn't notice. |
| 14:23.11 | TBBle | Uh. |
| 14:23.17 | zignig | stew: why; if you have a long term key and update off that. |
| 14:23.20 | TBBle | That was directed at zignig. Damn keys are too close together. |
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| 14:23.38 | absence | is the yaird/kernel stuff still broken? topic says so, bugs.debian.org says not |
| 14:23.39 | stew | zignig: i don't follow |
| 14:23.41 | marccd | how can I create a user with a disabled (nologin |
| 14:23.41 | zignig | stew: the one true gpg sig :) |
| 14:23.42 | Zugschlus | Garp: because testing and unstable are unreleased development versions of the distribution. Both may break any time and might contain broken components for extended periods of time. |
| 14:23.46 | linoleum | streuner: I made it !!! my first bug report ! :) |
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| 14:23.49 | TBBle | zignig: This very discussion was held on Debian-Devel mailing list today. |
| 14:23.49 | atax | because now it's a new year and the key changes |
| 14:23.49 | gioeleb | hi |
| 14:23.59 | marccd | how can I create a user with a disabled (nologin) in debian? (sorry about repeat..) |
| 14:24.00 | Zugschlus | you should know your way around them if you insist on using them |
| 14:24.03 | stew | zignig: you mean they shouldn't change keys year to year? |
| 14:24.08 | zignig | stew: how do I know that the gpg listed in the FAQ is the right key. |
| 14:24.10 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell marccd about adduser |
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| 14:24.23 | zignig | stew: couldn't that be spoofed ? |
| 14:24.33 | marccd | Zugschlus: there is no /bin/nologin |
| 14:24.37 | Garp | Zugschlus: exactly. KDE is broken in testing. So I would like to move back to unstable. |
| 14:24.37 | Foo-Bart | Garp: jm_: It's pretty frustrating - what about mounting the ISO on a loop dev and copying it to a spare partn? (TG for the 160 GB!) |
| 14:24.41 | grumbel | how can I convert a cue/bin back to .wav without buring to cd first? |
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| 14:24.59 | stew | zignig: yes, it could, and you would hear about it soon after, and know what packages you installed with the badly signed repository |
| 14:24.59 | Zugschlus | marccd: what is /bin/nologin? |
| 14:25.02 | zignig | stew: hardware keys are the answer to that, if I was send a "debian" sim card , I would use it. |
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| 14:25.13 | jm_ | Foo-Bart: that should do as long as you can tell the installer where to find files, then again, I don't see why it would need RW access to it |
| 14:25.16 | marccd | Zugschlus: the supposed shell, what shell should I use to disable login? |
| 14:25.17 | zignig | s/send/sent |
| 14:25.23 | Zugschlus | marccd: you don't disable login with a shell |
| 14:25.30 | marccd | Zugschlus: ah sorry |
| 14:25.36 | Garp | Zugschlus: but if that could be fixed in a reasonable time, I would avoid the pain to move ther (going back from uinstable to testing was already enough ;) |
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| 14:25.48 | Zugschlus | marccd: but if you insist, try /bin/false |
| 14:25.50 | stew | zignig: it wouldnt' be good to never change the key because the longer you have a key, the more people that have to get access to it |
| 14:25.50 | Foo-Bart | jm_: because I need to mount the destination partn |
| 14:25.53 | zignig | stew: don't get me wrong , i'm glad they are GPG signed , the update is still a bit ....... chunky. |
| 14:26.10 | Foo-Bart | jm_: when I've done chroot |
| 14:26.12 | stew | zignig: if its automated, then someone can automatically send you a bad key |
| 14:26.13 | xyba | isn't it a little weird that in debian stable the php for apache2 is compiled with --without-mysql ?? |
| 14:26.18 | Garp | zignig: this looks like a bug, I think. |
| 14:26.24 | jm_ | Foo-Bart: that's got nothing to do with the mount point that has source files for installation |
| 14:26.41 | xyba | phpinfo() sais so |
| 14:26.42 | zignig | stew: true, thats why my apt-get update; apt-get -u upgrade is still amanual command for me. |
| 14:26.46 | Garp | stew: but that one would have to be signed by the valid previoous key. |
| 14:26.47 | TBBle | xyba: Try installing php4-mysql and see what phpinfo() says. ^_^ |
| 14:26.58 | xyba | TBBle: same |
| 14:27.14 | Foo-Bart | jm_: OK (I'm getting a serious case of twisted knickers here) |
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| 14:27.18 | bizkit | xyba: you have to load the mysql extension in the php.ini |
| 14:27.19 | zignig | Garp: it's all a matter of ulitmate trust. |
| 14:27.27 | TBBle | xyba: Well, it's lying. Or more specifically, --without-mysql allows mysql to be modularised instead of build into the php4 library. |
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| 14:27.41 | Garp | stew: and if someone can sign a pkg and put it on the official repository, who cares if its name is 'updatekeyfor2006' or 'bash' ? |
| 14:27.57 | stew | xyba: make sure you have a line with extension=mysql.so in /etc/apache[2]/php.ini |
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| 14:28.15 | spotted | Hello I need help with a stuff... |
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| 14:28.20 | xyba | it can't lie... haha. i can give you a link to the phpinfo.php and paste you the output of dpkg --list :) |
| 14:28.25 | zignig | Garp: for me that's family/friends/$DEITY |
| 14:28.26 | Garp | zignig: when the problem arise on my machine there was *no* info: just a plain break. |
| 14:28.32 | xyba | and besides, mysql_connect() doesn't work |
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| 14:28.36 | spotted | xorg server tells me that compiste conflicts with nvidia glx |
| 14:28.37 | xyba | so... not lying |
| 14:28.38 | StyXman | hi all |
| 14:28.41 | spotted | How do I solve this thing? |
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| 14:28.51 | Garp | zignig: export DEITY=Garp (do you trusssst me now? ;) |
| 14:28.55 | StyXman | I want to install sarge in some hw |
| 14:29.01 | zignig | Garp: yep , if it say , "that looks like the new key , do you want it?" , that would be good. |
| 14:29.04 | stew | StyXman: /msg dpkg ig |
| 14:29.05 | StyXman | and it doesn't even detect the chipset |
| 14:29.09 | StyXman | too new, I guess |
| 14:29.18 | jm_ | StyXman: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 14:29.27 | Garp | zignig: it could had 'and the package it comes from is signed by the 2005 one". I would trust it, then. |
| 14:29.28 | StyXman | tx both |
| 14:29.48 | zignig | Garp: "would you like to update to the 2006 key ?" |
| 14:30.00 | zignig | Garp: with a finger-print. |
| 14:30.06 | Garp | zignig: the paranoids could hold that pkg compute the fingerprint and check whatever they want before accepting it. |
| 14:30.23 | zignig | Garp: yep :) |
| 14:30.34 | zignig | Garp: where are you ? |
| 14:31.00 | Garp | zignig: to me, if it comes from a debian server with a valid signature, that's fine. |
| 14:31.11 | Garp | zignig: Strasbourg France, why ? |
| 14:31.17 | zignig | Garp: oh for secure dns .... |
| 14:31.30 | zignig | Garp: just like to know .... .wa.au myself. |
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| 14:32.13 | Garp | zignig: on international channels its not always a good idea to tell ppl that I'm from France, US ppl seems to hate us... |
| 14:32.19 | zignig | Garp: that would make you the other side of this bill sphere. |
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| 14:32.37 | Garp | zignig: yes, almost exactly :) |
| 14:32.47 | ulf_ | hi |
| 14:32.47 | zignig | Garp: that's because they watch to much propaganda^W TV. |
| 14:33.03 | jm_ | they are not the only ones ;) |
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| 14:33.31 | Garp | anyway... I'll go: seems that IO have to decide if I move to unstable on myself... |
| 14:33.33 | zignig | jm_: +west (Inernational Communtity) BLEH! |
| 14:33.48 | zignig | +t |
| 14:33.48 | jm_ | zignig: ohh no: |
| 14:33.48 | jm_ | !+pebbas |
| 14:33.48 | dpkg | Problem Exists Between Britain And Spain |
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| 14:33.56 | zignig | jm_: hehe. ;/ |
| 14:34.10 | zignig | !+pebkac |
| 14:34.10 | dpkg | i heard pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
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| 14:34.44 | caoilte | hi, what's the experimental line for the apt sources list now? |
| 14:34.49 | Garp | (looks like I'll wait a bit anyway because of latest kde just came in). |
| 14:34.58 | Garp | bebye :) |
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| 14:35.07 | jm_ | caoilte: people who needs to use it will figure it out |
| 14:35.08 | stew | caoilte: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 14:35.15 | zignig | jm_: RIGHT! , no more international politics , this is #debian ;P |
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| 14:36.41 | ulf_ | i did not upgrade a pc for about one year (apt-get update/upgrade) yesterday i tried it and i get the following error No such pseudo-hash field "" at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Config.pm line 43, <DEBCONF_CONFIG> chunk 1. i don't no how to handle it or how to go on, here you can see the full output: http://www.freepasting.chat-blitz.de/viewtext.php?id=112 could you please give me some hint how to solve that? |
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| 14:37.18 | idealbsd | caoilte, change ../project/experimental to experimental |
| 14:38.20 | ulf_ | or just how to go on, or what i should read |
| 14:38.29 | caoilte | idealbsd: thanks. |
| 14:38.42 | idealbsd | caoilte, :) |
| 14:38.42 | stew | ulf_: you might try upgrading to stable first, then upgrading beyond that if you still desire |
| 14:39.27 | exo | On sarge with a 2.6 kernel and sarge's udev, how do I get back /dev/ttyS[45] for my PCI RS232 card? |
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| 14:39.50 | ulf_ | stew: you mean insert the stable sources in /etc/apt/source.list and the do an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 14:40.05 | usn | hi folx |
| 14:40.18 | stew | ulf_: replace all the testing/unstable lines with stable, dist-upgrade |
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| 14:40.49 | stew | ulf_: there have been some other problems that required similar actions with very old testing/unstable upgrades recently, notably /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
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| 14:43.51 | ulf_ | stew: i just tried it with stable but same error, should i try with woody insted of stable? |
| 14:44.02 | stew | ulf_: no, woody is older than yours |
| 14:44.51 | ulf_ | stew: what do you mean with "notably /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop" i don't get it? |
| 14:45.36 | chealer | !msgdpkg |
| 14:45.36 | dpkg | "/msg" is a command in most IRC clients to send a private message (PM) to a user. dpkg is a bot, who responds to certain keywords with information. If somebody tells you to "/msg dpkg something", type that into your IRC client and dpkg will tell you something in private to keep clutter off the main channel. Make sure you don't leave a space between the start of the line and the "/msg". |
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| 14:45.46 | stew | ulf_: nevermind, if trying to upgrade to stable didn't work its no longer relevant |
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| 14:46.05 | stew | ulf_: this sounds like maybe there was a missing pre-depends or something, have you checked the bts? |
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| 14:47.41 | adivoinea | Hello, could someone please translate this strace output line for me? What does the program exactly do: "connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(111), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused)" ? |
| 14:48.07 | stew | ulf_: oh wait, you already were trying to upgrade to sarge according to your log: Setting up passwd (4.0.3-31sarge5) ... |
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| 14:48.28 | SlayerXP | adivoinea: it tryies to connect to port localhost:111 and fails |
| 14:48.31 | SlayerXP | tries |
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| 14:52.54 | wharf | Hi there. |
| 14:52.57 | ulf_ | stew: yes, in the source.list i had testing when i first start to apt-get upgrade |
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| 14:53.02 | wharf | Anyone fancy helping me please |
| 14:53.03 | wharf | ? |
| 14:53.16 | wharf | I need to install an adsl modem on debian |
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| 14:53.22 | wharf | I have downloaded the drivers |
| 14:53.29 | wharf | Followed the instructions |
| 14:53.29 | SlayerXP | wharf: an ADSL modem, for a start |
| 14:53.53 | wharf | Dose it realy make a diffrence. hehe |
| 14:53.54 | deadline | can i somehow specify only one particular user to be able to login on ssh? |
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| 14:54.30 | wharf | Please note, i'm a newbie to unix and kde and things |
| 14:54.52 | wharf | It told me to type ./bootstrap |
| 14:55.01 | nkuttler | deadline: man sshd_config |
| 14:55.04 | wharf | i did that, the file was in that dir, but it never did nothing |
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| 14:55.57 | nkuttler | wharf: didn't you get some error or status message? |
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| 14:56.28 | ulf_ | stew: should i try to replace stable to testing in source.list? and then try apt-get update/upgrade again? |
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| 14:56.41 | diana | ulf_: yes |
| 14:56.46 | wharf | nkuttler: Yea, hold on, i'll find it. |
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| 14:57.42 | wharf | line 3: aclocal: command not found is the error |
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| 14:58.07 | wharf | ./bootstrap: was before line 3 |
| 14:58.16 | wharf | Forgot to put that in here |
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| 14:58.39 | TBBle | The problem is you don't have aclocal, so it can't find it... apt-get install aclocal would be a good start. |
| 14:59.03 | ulf_ | diana: ok, seems to work, but it says E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conficts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. ohoh |
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| 14:59.27 | wharf | apt coulden't find that package |
| 14:59.50 | TBBle | apt-cache search aclocal is the next step |
| 14:59.52 | nkuttler | wharf: apt-get install build-essential and try again. |
| 15:00.07 | concept10 | anyone know an application that supports TIFF files? |
| 15:00.10 | ulf_ | diana: but that should not be a problem cause i just looked and i use reiserfs, so i will try what it says |
| 15:00.22 | sohmestra | concept10: GIMP? |
| 15:00.30 | wharf | The search command give me this, libguile-dev - Development headers and static library for libguile |
| 15:00.40 | stew | ulf_: that is what i was telling you about before |
| 15:00.49 | stew | !tell ulf_ about e2fsprogs loop |
| 15:00.56 | ralfWORK | wouldn't 'apt-cache search tiff' give you a list? |
| 15:01.01 | wharf | Just typed the second command given, it's doing somthing. |
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| 15:01.10 | ulf_ | stew: yes, ok, now i understand, sorry |
| 15:01.17 | wharf | Ok, not it's stopped |
| 15:01.22 | concept10 | dammit! |
| 15:01.28 | wharf | now* |
| 15:01.37 | nkuttler | wharf: erm, you have no net, right? |
| 15:01.47 | sohmestra | concept10: try this -> apt-cache rdepends libtiff4 |
| 15:01.49 | concept10 | Im looking for an application that will open the efax (.efx) files |
| 15:01.50 | cqst | is it possible to upload a directory with lftp ? cant find this option in man page |
| 15:01.59 | wharf | Well, i have a shared connection from my laptop to debian |
| 15:02.07 | wharf | But no direct internet connection |
| 15:02.23 | nkuttler | wharf: ok. the apt-get command should download some software and install it |
| 15:02.38 | nkuttler | wharf: man apt-get, www.debian.org/doc for a start |
| 15:02.46 | wharf | ok |
| 15:02.56 | stew | ulf_: see if maybe you can just upgrade debconf with apt-get install debconf |
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| 15:03.30 | wharf | So i need to update my apt database? |
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| 15:03.35 | ulf_ | stew: ok, thanks for help, i will try it |
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| 15:05.56 | abrotman | wharf: apt-get update |
| 15:06.19 | wharf | I did that command |
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| 15:06.41 | wharf | And tryed apt-get install aclocal but it didn't find it again |
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| 15:06.50 | blondie | cheese |
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| 15:07.20 | quasisane | wharf: the packages you probably need are gettext and gettext-base |
| 15:08.11 | ootput | would anyone happen to know where i can find the publick key for secure-testing.debian.net? |
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| 15:09.07 | quasisane | wharf: not sure though, nothing seems to provide /usr/bin/aclocal |
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| 15:09.17 | andrewc | I have a quick question. I disabled portmap in /etc/rc2.d/, but it still runs. |
| 15:09.19 | NelsonFx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.31 | quasisane | wharf: at lest according to dpkg -S /usr/bin/aclocal |
| 15:09.43 | sohmestra | ootput: from the link on the secure-testing website: http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ziyi-2005-7.asc |
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| 15:09.55 | diana | andrewc: Check /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rcS.d |
| 15:10.09 | diana | !tell andrewc about update-rc.d |
| 15:10.28 | ootput | sohmestra: ah yeas |
| 15:10.34 | NelsonFx | !tell nelsonfx about update-rc.d |
| 15:10.46 | andrewc | OK, Thank you. |
| 15:11.21 | ootput | sohmestra: would you happen to know if secure-testing.debian.net succeeds security.debian.org? |
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| 15:11.38 | ootput | or should both still exist in sources.lst? |
| 15:12.04 | Myon | having both doesn't hurt |
| 15:12.26 | Myon | shortly before a release, the updates will be on security.d.o |
| 15:12.30 | stew | !testing securty |
| 15:12.33 | diana | !tell NelsonFx about msgdpkg |
| 15:12.36 | stew | hrm |
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| 15:13.08 | diana | NelsonFx: /msg dpkg update-rc.d |
| 15:13.11 | stew | !testing security |
| 15:13.11 | dpkg | testing security is probably Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 15:13.18 | stew | ootput: ^^ |
| 15:13.25 | wharf | Not sure how to change my sources list and i don't realy know any servers that would have that file |
| 15:13.30 | wharf | Ok, i found the sources list, do you know any good servers that might have the file i'm looking for? |
| 15:13.32 | NelsonFx | diana, thnx |
| 15:13.34 | wharf | Only got 3 servers listed |
| 15:13.36 | Foo-Bart | Hi again, Is there a boot loader versatile enough to boot an OS from an ISO image (not necessarily straight Debian)? |
| 15:13.43 | nkuttler | wharf: apt-get install automake |
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| 15:13.52 | wharf | I already have gettext |
| 15:13.54 | wharf | and the base |
| 15:14.19 | diana | Foo-Bart: There is no need to do that...that's why one probably doesn't exist. |
| 15:14.24 | stew | wharf: what are you compiling? |
| 15:14.28 | diana | Most people like to find logical and practical solutions. |
| 15:15.15 | quasisane | wharf: nevermind |
| 15:15.49 | wharf | It's a modem driver |
| 15:15.51 | Foo-Bart | diana: I can't find any way of booting from an ISO on a disk part (it's a DVD image, which I can't burn :( ) |
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| 15:16.03 | wharf | USB ADSL, |
| 15:16.17 | wharf | Voyager 105, it's supportee |
| 15:16.20 | wharf | supported* |
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| 15:18.11 | Foo-Bart | diana: Is there some esoteric way to mount an ISO at boot time? 'Cos that's what I need to do. |
| 15:18.11 | stew | Foo-Bart: some options to explore would be to boot a small init that mounted the iso and continued the boot ala knoppix, or to boot it into a virtual environment using somehting like uml or xen. |
| 15:19.10 | ootput | i suppose you could specify it in your bootloader |
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| 15:19.37 | diana | Foo-Bart: mount -o loop filename.iso /place/to/mount/it |
| 15:19.50 | Foo-Bart | stew: do you mean a minimal linux by 'small init'? I'm not terribly competent - just a musician |
| 15:19.57 | ootput | Foo-Bart: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~colohan/docs/fedora_upgrade.html |
| 15:20.08 | diana | Foo-Bart: Don't burn dvd images if you don't have a dvd burner. |
| 15:20.11 | ootput | Foo-Bart: same basic principles |
| 15:21.25 | Foo-Bart | diana: been there, done that (sigh :( ) . Problem is, I can't mount anything or even read a man page as the iso is strictly ro |
| 15:21.52 | Foo-Bart | ootput: will the fedora loader handle debian derivatives too? |
| 15:22.13 | stew | Foo-Bart: when you boot your debian, the bootloader mounts your root partition and runs the init command. you could instead make your bootloader run a different command other than init by passing init=/myinit to the kernel, then myinit would mount the iso image with mount -o loop... then run "chroot /mountpoint /sbin/init" to start booting in the chrooted environment |
| 15:22.42 | stew | Foo-Bart: this is assuming that the iso you wnat to boot is also linux |
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| 15:23.48 | ajairos | Alguem fala portugues do Brasil? |
| 15:24.12 | ajairos | Preciso de ajuda com o problema de compilação do kernel 2.6.14 |
| 15:24.24 | ootput | Foo-Bart: yet another link :) http://www.edseek.com/archives/2004/03/22/creating-an-initrd-image-on-debian-gnulinux/ |
| 15:24.59 | Foo-Bart | stew: yep (demudi, knoppix, ml4, etc) problem is, I can't get around the ro restriction on the ISO fs. |
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| 15:25.38 | Foo-Bart | ootput: thanx, I'll try to download them now |
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| 15:28.09 | TonyStark | hello everybody, I have the problem with the public key, I have read the topic and I'm going to do that, but I would like to know exactly what's wrong and what I'm doing with, can anybody give me some pointer to read or explain in it please? thanks |
| 15:28.40 | bbrazil | TonyStark: essentailly every year there's a new key |
| 15:28.57 | TonyStark | bbrazil, aha, but never happned this to me... |
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| 15:29.12 | bbrazil | TonyStark: I think the signing was only implemented in the past year |
| 15:29.30 | darkcmd | this apt key and 2006 key thing.. only applies to etch and sid right? |
| 15:29.49 | TonyStark | bbrazil, ah well, that's the reason why it hasn't happened before? |
| 15:29.56 | bbrazil | TonyStark: I assume so |
| 15:30.06 | valdyn | darkcmd: sarge's apt-get does not support or require those keys |
| 15:30.14 | TonyStark | bbrazil, ok, it has taken me by surprise... |
| 15:30.32 | darkcmd | ok |
| 15:30.34 | darkcmd | thanks :D |
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| 15:31.07 | TonyStark | bbrazil, so that instructions of the topic they make available the server of the sings.. correct? |
| 15:31.07 | stew | Foo-Bart: no, you can never, iso9660 is always ro |
| 15:31.13 | tehbio | What source in apt-setup has amarok? o.O |
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| 15:31.43 | darkcmd | amaroke is not in etch for reasons atm |
| 15:31.47 | darkcmd | it will be back |
| 15:31.58 | tehbio | Ah, I see. |
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| 15:32.35 | azeta | darkcmd. atm? |
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| 15:32.37 | bbrazil | TonyStark: if I understand your question - yes |
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| 15:33.04 | azeta | darkcmd. at the moment? |
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| 15:33.15 | TonyStark | bbrazil, thank you very much for the explanation |
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| 15:33.26 | darkcmd | yeah |
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| 15:33.31 | fatcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.32 | ajairos | Alguem fala Português?......Por favor, Me informem um canal que fala protuguês Brasil? |
| 15:33.32 | NgD | bbrazil, where do you live in brazil? |
| 15:33.36 | azeta | ah, ok |
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| 15:33.42 | bbrazil | NgD: I don't |
| 15:33.48 | bowman | heya :) I am having some trouble with modprobe on testing, kernel 2.4.27-2-686. modprobe does not load the esssolo1 module any more. I need to manually insmod gameport and then esssolo1 in order to get the sound working. this has been happening since the last 2 package upgrades. any ideas what's happening? |
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| 15:34.01 | NgD | bbrazil, nice nickname to someone that doesn't live in brazil |
| 15:34.23 | bbrazil | NgD: /whois |
| 15:34.26 | stew | bowman: what version of debian? |
| 15:34.40 | bbrazil | bowman: add to /etc/modules |
| 15:34.48 | NgD | bbrazil, you mean it's your name?? |
| 15:34.54 | bbrazil | NgD: yes |
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| 15:35.20 | bowman | stepardo: testing/unstable |
| 15:35.21 | ootput | do any of you guys use backupninja with rdiff? |
| 15:35.24 | bowman | bbrazil: it is in there ;) |
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| 15:35.45 | bbrazil | bowman: depmod -a ? |
| 15:35.46 | NgD | bbrazil, you might have decendends around here |
| 15:35.49 | DDTa | hi |
| 15:35.55 | DDTa | just a question |
| 15:35.57 | bbrazil | NgD: I very much doubt that |
| 15:36.04 | DDTa | what is ethical software? |
| 15:36.09 | stew | bowman: you recently got a udev upgrade which now conflicts with hotplug. hotplug used to load these modules for you, btw, since you run an old kernel you are not getting any of the advantages of udev, it requires at least 2.6.12, and don't use insmod, use modprobe |
| 15:36.11 | bbrazil | !dfsg |
| 15:36.11 | dpkg | [dfsg] the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 15:36.13 | NgD | bbrazil, o.O |
| 15:36.19 | stew | bowman: you should list those modules in /etc/modules |
| 15:36.24 | bbrazil | DDTa: ^^ |
| 15:36.31 | bbrazil | DDTa: see also: gnu.org, fsf.org |
| 15:36.44 | fatcow | Guess no one knows |
| 15:36.47 | bowman | stew: ok, I've added gameport (esssolo1 was already in the file) - will check if it works after reboot. thanks for the hotplug info. |
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| 15:37.02 | freaky_ | sorry to ask this, but we have a webserver running a reasonably old version of debian with php. i'd like pdflib support in php. is that possible without recompiling php manually? don't see any packages for it |
| 15:37.12 | stew | bowman: you should consider an upgrade to 2.6, apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:37.25 | ajairos | Preciso de uma ajuda....Apenas uma informação... |
| 15:37.26 | berzerka | DDTa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_ethics |
| 15:37.35 | abrotman | !br |
| 15:37.35 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:37.42 | bowman | stew: yeah, I didn't do it because I had some patches in my kernel that weren't there for 2.6 - will reconsider upgrade :) |
| 15:38.04 | stew | bowman: which patches? some of them could be in the mainline kernel now |
| 15:38.26 | DDTa | berzerka: www.ethicalsoftware.org ... there is a license... I don't understand... |
| 15:38.28 | stew | bowman: you could also just install hotplug which would get rid of udev, udev is not doing anything for you at all if you don't run at least 2.6.12 |
| 15:38.30 | bowman | stew: several v4l (tv-card) and webcam (philips) drivers - they are in 2.6 afaik |
| 15:38.31 | ajairos | Era essa informação que eu precisava...Thanks! |
| 15:39.04 | deadline | if i want to assign more then 1 static IP address to ONE interface. do i just have to have 2 lines of iface eth0 inet static in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 15:39.08 | freaky_ | DDTa: ethics are bs anyways, the problem is that ethics conflict with themselves |
| 15:39.21 | tehbio | Sleepy time, g'night all. |
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| 15:39.35 | bowman | deadline: yes, but with different interface names - like eth0 and eth0:something |
| 15:39.51 | berzerka | DDTa: of course there is a license. skim them and youll see it is a free/open source license. |
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| 15:40.49 | deadline | bowman: ok thanks |
| 15:41.05 | lucox | hi all, how can i correct this problem ? : W: GPG error: http://ftp.sk.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 15:41.23 | bowman | deadline: which will create a second interface though, you mean like eth0 has 10.0.0.x and 10.0.0.y? or just "bind" 2 IP addresses to one physical card? |
| 15:41.57 | bowman | lucox: see topic |
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| 15:42.22 | DDTa | berzeka: that license in free/open? |
| 15:42.26 | DDTa | is |
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| 15:43.07 | deadline | bowman: i fixed it already, thanks! |
| 15:43.13 | bowman | deadline: good :) |
| 15:43.19 | NgD | there ain't a way to get my disk resized with cfdisk right? |
| 15:43.26 | bowman | deadline: how did you do it? |
| 15:43.54 | ajairos | Olá pessoal.... Tenho um problema na atualização do kernel 2.4.27 para o 2.6.14. (pivot_root: no such file or directory | /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: no such file) Alguem pode me ajudar? |
| 15:43.55 | lucox | bowman: thanx |
| 15:43.59 | berzerka | well, read it: he Initial Developer hereby grants You a world-wide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license to use, reproduce, modify, display, perform, sublicense and distribute the Original Code (or portions thereof) with or without Modifications........... and so on |
| 15:44.04 | berzerka | the* |
| 15:44.17 | TonyStark | NgD, parted or nparted or something like that, it is from gnu, I have used and it was all right |
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| 15:44.26 | syphox | heya.. |
| 15:44.44 | NgD | TonyStark, but it doesn't come with sarge right? |
| 15:44.46 | deadline | bowman: just assign a second iface called eth0:0 |
| 15:44.48 | syphox | im having trouble installing a raidcard.. RR182x |
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| 15:45.00 | TonyStark | NgD, well, apt-cache search parted... |
| 15:45.01 | bowman | deadline: yeah, k. |
| 15:45.08 | syphox | insmod: error inserting 'hptmv.o': -1 Invalid module format |
| 15:45.19 | syphox | thats the error i get.. any clues as to how i can fix this/ |
| 15:45.21 | bowman | gtg, l8r |
| 15:45.32 | TonyStark | NgD, it comes yes |
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| 15:47.37 | ideafix | is it true debian is droping amiga arch suport ? |
| 15:47.47 | NgD | thanks |
| 15:47.55 | Malagmyr | I need a small, CD-bootable distribution to use as a client connecting to a remote X-server on a Debian machine. I'd like to be able to configure it before burning it, so that I wont need a password or anything for it to connect automatically when the machine has booted. Any hints? |
| 15:48.09 | resiak | ideafix: Read the debian-devel-announce mailing list logs |
| 15:49.12 | darkcmd | Malagmyr: read up on remastering knoppix |
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| 15:49.24 | ideafix | resiak: you mean this http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html |
| 15:49.47 | resiak | ideafix: I meant the more recent update |
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| 15:50.44 | resiak | ideafix: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/12/threads.html, click around |
| 15:51.11 | ulf_ | stew: i don't get it working, it starts good but now it hangs with the same error, i also tried to do what /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop says but it also stops at the same error :o( |
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| 15:52.46 | nimakh | what fs type do i use for floppies? |
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| 15:53.11 | nimakh | it was created on a windows box |
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| 15:53.42 | resiak | vfat |
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| 15:53.52 | nimakh | thatnks |
| 15:53.54 | resiak | !tell nimakh -about vfatrw |
| 15:53.57 | resiak | might also help |
| 15:53.58 | nimakh | thanks |
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| 15:54.59 | mrmistik1 | good moring. |
| 15:55.21 | mrmistik1 | What is the command to find out what package own a particular file in debian? |
| 15:55.26 | Immortal-XAk- | 212.200.201.131 |
| 15:55.35 | RelDrgn | mrmistik1: dpkg -S filename |
| 15:55.46 | mrmistik1 | RelDrgn, Thanks |
| 15:56.06 | badblody | apt-file search file |
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| 15:56.39 | RelDrgn | mrmistik1: there's also a dlocate package that provides a system similar to "locate" |
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| 15:59.24 | SimonRaven | http://isfates.mandragor.org/toto/opensource/opensource.avi |
| 16:00.17 | Goshawk | hi. is there a tool to know the how a net is done? (knowing if there is a dhcp server or not and see what's the subnet mask ) |
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| 16:02.55 | nlindblad | Phated: \o/ |
| 16:03.01 | ulf_ | Goshawk: you could easy see it with an sniffer tool like ethereal or tcpdump i think |
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| 16:03.22 | Goshawk | uhm... ok i'll see thx |
| 16:04.17 | Goshawk | ulf_, note that i'm not connected to the net |
| 16:06.53 | ulf_ | Goshawk: you are not connected? how would you see if there ist an dhcp server running? i think then the only way to find that out is to ask people or look at the dokumentation of the network if there is one ... |
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| 16:07.48 | RelDrgn | is anyone else using rxvt on sid, is it completely hosed this morning for anyone else, or do I have some weird configuration thing going on causing it to line wrap randomly? |
| 16:07.53 | Lars_A | Has anybody in here successfully installed Debian on Sun cobalt RAQ 550? |
| 16:09.05 | pipeline | Lars_A: Oh, probably, but you'll have to be a lot more specific if you hope to find any help. |
| 16:09.45 | pipeline | Goshawk: Ethereal handles your ethernet interface directly if your OS and drivers support it. You don't have to be connected at the IP level, so long as you're ah, electrically connected. |
| 16:09.51 | Lars_A | pipeline: Just wondered if there was a Debian cobalt project channel or working site or something. |
| 16:09.52 | Goshawk | ulf_, yep i'm with a wireless card on a foreign network, and i'll try to connect to it.. btw i'll google |
| 16:10.12 | Goshawk | pipeline, so... it's perfect |
| 16:10.17 | pipeline | Lars_A: Cobalt is so old, I doubt there's anyone still working on it. I can tell you that the debian-installer source tree has appropriate garbage to make Cobalt work. |
| 16:10.25 | Goshawk | (for my stuff) |
| 16:10.27 | pipeline | Lars_A: Google is your friend. |
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| 16:13.42 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 16:14.01 | elephantMan | Can i use 'find' to select all files created à 12pm ? |
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| 16:14.12 | RelDrgn | elephantMan: yes. |
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| 16:16.28 | elephantMan | RelDrgn, ok thanx...you mean in a combination with another command through '-exec' or alone ? Cause i can't find anything in 'man find' |
| 16:16.28 | _keroppi_ | Where does apt-get store the list of files that apt-get update pulled down into /var/lib/apt/lists ? |
| 16:16.38 | elephantMan | About filtering on creation date |
| 16:17.11 | berzerka | elephantMan: look at the -daystart option, guess thats what you are looking for. |
| 16:18.04 | Eulex | _keroppi_, /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 16:18.31 | berzerka | elephantMan: you can do something like -daystart -ctime +12.... |
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| 16:20.03 | _keroppi_ | Eulex: I don't want the actual files, I want to move the apt-get update "cache" out of /var/lib/apt/lists/ so I can exclude certain repositories with ease, rather than running apt-get update every time I change my sources.list file |
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| 16:21.26 | Eulex | _keroppi_, I dunno |
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| 16:22.38 | elephantMan | berzerka, yes good idea...thanx a lot |
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| 16:24.19 | atax | hello |
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| 16:30.02 | marcelolaia | Hi ALL. Happy New Years for all!!! |
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| 16:30.22 | LostFrog | Belated, marcelolaia? |
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| 16:30.51 | Eulex | marcelolaia, you're late :P |
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| 16:31.21 | marcelolaia | Eulex, Sorry :) |
| 16:31.47 | marcelolaia | LostFrog, Sorry :) |
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| 16:32.21 | Eulex | marcelolaia, haha, nothing to feel sorry for :) |
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| 16:32.58 | mutRec | helo happy good christmas for everybody |
| 16:32.58 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
| 16:33.14 | dvs | mutRec: You're late! |
| 16:33.18 | dvs | ;-) |
| 16:33.23 | marcelolaia | For start a good new Year, I have a litle question from newbie |
| 16:33.30 | dvs | mutRec: Unless your orthadox |
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| 16:34.02 | mutRec | well, here in Barcelona (catalonia) it's christmas with kings of Orient... |
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| 16:34.37 | mutRec | Hello, one question... anybody know de merila trojan? |
| 16:34.42 | odla | tarzeau: do you know if anyone is going to backport one of the newer versions of ocp? |
| 16:34.58 | aparna | what's the recommended way to do NAT with a 2.6 kernel with debian now? Last time I did it was with slink (2.2), now my p100 has finally croaked it. |
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| 16:35.17 | Vernon_ | mutRec: send me some donuts bougth at ramblas, thx |
| 16:35.26 | elephantMan | berzerka, well you were right this should work (-daystart -ctime +12....) but it doesn't |
| 16:35.33 | syphox | hey |
| 16:35.35 | mutRec | donuts? |
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| 16:35.37 | syphox | i need to install gcc version 2 |
| 16:35.53 | mutRec | here is typical bread with tomatoes... |
| 16:35.57 | syphox | how can i find the package for that? apt-get install gcc instals gcc3 |
| 16:35.58 | saintshakajin | is there a package nvidia-legacy? |
| 16:36.29 | marcelolaia | In my system I have sysvinit-knoppix 2.84-1 installed and I need to upgrade it. By apt-get is not possible. Then, is possible remove it and re-install it after by apt? |
| 16:36.36 | Vernon_ | mutRec: a "solo" and a donut will be fine enought :D |
| 16:36.37 | theq | hello where do i set the server domain used by sendmail through cgi invocations. messages arrive with a retun path like www-data@ |
| 16:36.43 | mutRec | ramblas... yeah... really good place... very people... |
| 16:37.01 | dvs | syphox: apt-get install gcc-3.3 |
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| 16:37.15 | syphox | dvs: no i need version 2 |
| 16:37.17 | theq | i would need something like www-data@realhost |
| 16:37.18 | mutRec | "solo" ... humm... ;-D... coffe?? |
| 16:37.31 | dimir | syphox: apt-cache search gcc2 |
| 16:37.45 | dimir | you will probably get gcc272 |
| 16:37.46 | dvs | syphox: apt-get install gcc-2.96 |
| 16:37.47 | dvs | syphox: apt-get install gcc-2.95 |
| 16:37.54 | syphox | installed that |
| 16:37.57 | syphox | then when i do : gcc -v |
| 16:38.00 | syphox | is says not installed |
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| 16:38.13 | dimir | syphox: do an ls /usr/bin/gcc* |
| 16:38.21 | theq | ?? |
| 16:38.23 | syphox | /usr/bin/gcc272 /usr/bin/gcc-2.95 /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 /usr/bin/gccbug-3.3 |
| 16:38.32 | berzerka | elephantMan: damn. sorry never used it myself, just saw that option and thought that must be it.. but it has to be possible to do it that way.. |
| 16:38.37 | dvs | syphox: do ls -l /usb/bin/gcc* |
| 16:38.45 | dimir | syphox: now do gcc-2.95 -v |
| 16:38.58 | syphox | ty |
| 16:38.59 | syphox | but.. |
| 16:39.07 | syphox | c-d44570d5:/home/syp/boot# insmod hptmv4.18-k6.o |
| 16:39.07 | syphox | hptmv4.18-k6.o: The module you are trying to load (hptmv4.18-k6.o) is compiled with a gcc |
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| 16:39.28 | syphox | version 2 compiler, while the kernel you are running is compiled with |
| 16:39.32 | syphox | a gcc version 3 compiler. This is known to not work. |
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| 16:40.09 | syphox | so do i need to remove all gcc v3 ? and re-compile? |
| 16:40.11 | dimir | installing a compiler will not solve the problem of compiled applications interaction problem. |
| 16:40.35 | syphox | so i need to remove gcc v3 and re-make the kernel? |
| 16:40.36 | dvs | syphox: You'd have to recompile the kernel if you wanted it to work. |
| 16:40.47 | berzerka | elephantMan: i mean it is very improbable that a file was created 'exactly' at 12:00 pm.. i think if its one second sooner or later, the rule doesnt match any more. maybe you want something like -cnewer.. or maybe a tolerance range like -cnewer -5 minutes -colder +5 minutes, something like that.. |
| 16:40.54 | syphox | ty |
| 16:40.58 | dimir | You need ether to recompile the module or install older kernel or get the module compiled for that kernel. |
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| 16:41.42 | dimir | do you have the sources of the module? |
| 16:41.47 | itom | I've an ibook g4 12' 1,33mhz and I search a .config for compiling kernel, can suggest me? |
| 16:42.18 | dimir | itom: you unpacked the kernel sources? |
| 16:42.27 | dvs | itom: Why do you want to compile your own kernel? |
| 16:42.29 | berzerka | elephantMan: anyways, i will quit now, enough work for today, weekend is coming. see you. |
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| 16:42.39 | elephantMan | ok thanx |
| 16:42.40 | dimir | or you need to locate the config of installed kernel? |
| 16:42.58 | itom | dvs, for realtime-lsm module that need capability as module |
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| 16:43.11 | Eulex | itom, it is placed in /boot when you install the kernel image of it. |
| 16:43.17 | thingfish | itom: if you're currently using a kernel that works, go to /boot/config-* for a usable .config. |
| 16:43.41 | stouset | Anyone know how to get spam filtering working in Evolution? No matter what I do, I can't get it to use my .spamassassin/bayes_toks, etc files. If I delete the directory, it never creates one. |
| 16:43.52 | LostFrog | You would think the debian kernels would be built with proc config. |
| 16:43.58 | thingfish | itom: you can also get one by downloading a kernel image's headers. |
| 16:44.07 | itom | I know for the usable config in boot, but compile tons of module that I never use, and ibook is the same for all |
| 16:44.55 | dimir | itom: you create it with 'make menuconfig' |
| 16:44.55 | dimir | or similar. |
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| 16:44.58 | molinero | Hello to all |
| 16:45.00 | molinero | I have a problem with Ubuntu |
| 16:45.03 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 16:45.04 | dpkg | i guess ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 16:45.10 | resiak | /topic, also |
| 16:45.17 | molinero | ok |
| 16:45.41 | molinero | sorry, i'm new in linux and free software |
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| 16:45.54 | ulf_ | i did not upgrade a pc for about one year (apt-get update/upgrade) yesterday i tried it and i get the following error No such pseudo-hash field "" at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Config.pm line 43, <DEBCONF_CONFIG> chunk 1. i don't no how to handle it or how to go on, here you can see the full output: http://www.freepasting.chat-blitz.de/viewtext.php?id=114 could you please give me some hint how to solve that? i also tried whats written in /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop b |
| 16:46.07 | theq | hello where do i set the server domain used by sendmail through cgi invocations. messages arrive with a retun path like www-data@ |
| 16:46.09 | thingfish | np, molinero. the folks in #ubuntu will be more than glad to assist you. |
| 16:46.11 | theq | i would need something like www-data@realhost |
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| 16:46.51 | tintamar | amd64 3ghz+ATI9200SE 128Mo+debian= not working (ho i forgot it has worked with vesa and 640*480 and 4 colors so far...) |
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| 16:46.58 | britt | okay, so besides gcc, what else do i need to compile naim |
| 16:46.59 | britt | ? |
| 16:47.07 | Coweater | ulf_: tried a dist-upgrade? |
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| 16:47.24 | theq | are you there |
| 16:47.28 | theq | can you read me |
| 16:47.31 | ulf_ | Coweater: yes, you could see it also at the http link i paste |
| 16:47.32 | britt | tintamar: *clap* *trophy* |
| 16:47.33 | theq | hello |
| 16:47.33 | NOthsouth | Hello, I'm on debian sarge, and I got this messages all the time.. CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode .. what is that ? |
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| 16:47.49 | Zap-W | do you know how to use -j ROUTE and keep NAT working ? |
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| 16:48.03 | tintamar | •britt• lol |
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| 16:48.06 | theq | say pong if i say ping |
| 16:48.11 | tintamar | pong |
| 16:48.24 | ulf_ | Coweater: always same error :o( |
| 16:48.26 | OVERCRAFT | anyone /j xorg |
| 16:48.28 | OVERCRAFT | oops |
| 16:48.31 | theq | ping |
| 16:48.33 | tintamar | ok |
| 16:48.34 | britt | tintamar: thats a awesome system. I built several...but my fastest machine is a 850 p3 |
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| 16:48.55 | britt | pong |
| 16:49.01 | theq | :)) again... where do i set the server domain used by sendmail through cgi invocations. messages arrive with a retun path like www-data@ |
| 16:49.25 | tintamar | britt:the graphic card was working fine on a 32 bit motherboard under a mandrake |
| 16:49.28 | britt | doesnt cgi use www-data |
| 16:49.33 | LostFrog | britt: owww. |
| 16:49.44 | OVERCRAFT | anyone using x600 mobility with xorg 6.9/7.0 (radeon driver?) |
| 16:50.01 | britt | LostFrog: it's okay. I'm a text-mode guy anyway. |
| 16:50.04 | ziupiu | theq: can you edit your cgi page? |
| 16:50.08 | nandro | just have to say I am a recent windows convert and debian rocks! |
| 16:50.11 | theq | noooooo |
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| 16:50.29 | LostFrog | My firewalls are on PIII 933 and 1Ghz, even. |
| 16:50.32 | theq | there is something loaded by default |
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| 16:50.37 | theq | in th emessage header |
| 16:50.37 | britt | LostFrog: lol... |
| 16:50.48 | britt | im using the 850 as a Divx movie file server |
| 16:50.49 | ootput | which package provides the basic 'mail' command? |
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| 16:50.54 | Gashad | I have a dual boot system (debian testing + winxp). I want to remove debian testing & reinstall debian stable (and keep my winxp partition how it is). I couldn't find anything in google, does anyone have a link or two with info on doing tihs? |
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| 16:51.04 | theq | Return-Path: <www-data@> |
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| 16:51.11 | nandro | does anyone know of a way to convert ratdvd files on linux yet? |
| 16:51.21 | theq | as you can imagine this will be bounced |
| 16:51.30 | Jacobo221 | is there a kernel parameter to set the keyboard charset so i can use my country charset when rescuing the system? |
| 16:51.35 | dvs | Gashad: Just install over testing. There's nothing to it |
| 16:51.50 | theq | the hostname is simply blank |
| 16:51.57 | Gashad | dvs: Do I have to format my current linux partition or anything? Or should I just pop the net install disk in & let it do the dirty work? |
| 16:52.09 | neuterspay | Quick problem: After tweaking some settings (very careful and didn't make any huge changes, also understood everything I changed), upon logout I'm shown a goofy green dragon, and upon boot UI, "root logins are not allowed". Went back and set all to default - don't know what else to do, anybody have ideas? |
| 16:52.13 | dvs | Gashad: The install should do the dirty work. |
| 16:52.15 | ulf_ | ootput: i think mailutils or mailx i'm not shure |
| 16:52.20 | Gashad | dvs: cool, thanks! |
| 16:52.30 | dvs | Gashad: you're welcome |
| 16:52.46 | LostFrog | britt: What 3rd world country are you in? |
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| 16:53.31 | thingfish | neuterspay: you should not be logging in as root to a graphical environment anyway - is that what you're trying to do? |
| 16:53.34 | britt | LostFrog: the United States! |
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| 16:53.36 | ceeto | Hi all. I have a huge config file that has about 3000 lines that start with a "#". Is there an easy way to remove those lines that start with a "#"? |
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| 16:54.05 | nkuttler | ceeto: grep |
| 16:54.09 | dvs | ceeto: make menuconfig |
| 16:54.10 | britt | I have an old german sports car i'm trying to keep alive, so thats where the money is going |
| 16:54.12 | AciD | ceeto > try perl or sed |
| 16:54.14 | britt | anywho.. |
| 16:54.29 | thingfish | britt: what is it? |
| 16:54.36 | thingfish | the car, I mean. |
| 16:54.40 | britt | 1974 Porsche 914 |
| 16:54.46 | thingfish | oooh sweet |
| 16:54.49 | Luchin0 | Hi to all! :) |
| 16:54.50 | ceeto | Can one of you give me an example with grep or sed? |
| 16:54.50 | Luchin0 | I have compiled the kernel 2.4.32 on mine Debian and to boot me meeting with a kernel panic! |
| 16:54.50 | Luchin0 | 'modprobe: modprobe: Can't open depencies file /lib/modules/2.4.32/modules.dep (No such file or directory)' |
| 16:54.50 | Luchin0 | what I can make? thank you so much :) Sorry for my english. |
| 16:54.57 | neuterspay | thingfish: wasn't trying to, but not having the option on boot was a sudden change that I can't seem to default\fix. |
| 16:55.07 | nkuttler | ceeto: grep -v ^# file should do it |
| 16:55.08 | britt | thingfish: yeah im trying to keep it alive with a tiny budget |
| 16:55.17 | ceeto | Thanks! |
| 16:55.22 | britt | has anyone here compiled the new naim version |
| 16:55.22 | britt | ? |
| 16:55.30 | neuterspay | thingfish: plus the fact that now I've got this goofy green dragon logo in my logout options when I try to logout a user. |
| 16:55.31 | thingfish | neuterspay: which version of Debian? |
| 16:55.45 | neuterspay | thingfish: debian, though the #debian room didn't know |
| 16:55.49 | Luchin0 | 3.1.r0a |
| 16:55.52 | neuterspay | thingfish: mepis |
| 16:55.59 | ceeto | Perfect! Now how to remove blank lines from a text file .. Any suggestions!? |
| 16:56.00 | neuterspay | thingfish: sorry, mepis, but the #mepis room didn't know |
| 16:56.07 | britt | ceeto: use vim |
| 16:56.12 | LostFrog | ceeto: sed? |
| 16:56.15 | thingfish | neuterspay: you'll have to ask in #mepis. I'm sure I've no clue. |
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| 16:56.25 | britt | and hit the d key twice when you get to the blank lines |
| 16:56.32 | ceeto | Got it.. T hanks! |
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| 16:56.35 | neuterspay | thingfish: alright, thanks though |
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| 16:57.21 | britt | why wont this damn thing compile? |
| 16:57.32 | delire | anyone here running a Thinkpad R51e? |
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| 16:57.40 | thingfish | neuterspay: good luck. why not install Debian? My first foray into dpkg-based distros was mepis...it just made me hungry for the real thing. |
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| 16:58.12 | whatever | ....what is the -nature- of multi-cpu systems, in the sense of delegating processes. Like, does the application have to be multi-threaded in order for the kernel to use multiple cpu's? or is it at the kernel level where this is delegated at? I'm actually thinking of apache2 in question for this specific case. |
| 16:58.28 | whatever | thingfish: howdy swordfi, er thingfish |
| 16:58.41 | thingfish | hehe hi whatever. |
| 16:58.41 | ralfWORK | it's the kernel |
| 16:58.49 | rezZen | how do i determine which ethernet device is associated with a specific eth interface? |
| 16:58.53 | ralfWORK | but threaded applications would have more to gain from multiple CPUs |
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| 16:59.19 | whatever | ralfWORK: but how can you delegate a single threaded process to multiple CPU's |
| 16:59.34 | ralfWORK | whatever: you can't |
| 16:59.36 | ralfWORK | that's what I'm saying |
| 16:59.43 | loxley_ | britt: why don't you just apt-get it ? |
| 16:59.45 | nkuttler | rezZen: check the hwaddr? |
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| 16:59.50 | whatever | henceforth, then it cannot use multiple cpu's. : / |
| 16:59.52 | ralfWORK | the operating system as a whole can benefit from SMP |
| 16:59.53 | britt | loxley_: there's a new version |
| 17:00.00 | ralfWORK | well take Apache for example |
| 17:00.01 | britt | and it has cool add-ons |
| 17:00.05 | ralfWORK | not threaded really |
| 17:00.15 | ralfWORK | but if you have 500 apache children |
| 17:00.16 | whatever | ralfWORK: depends on the mpm you use, but ok |
| 17:00.17 | theq | can you help me?????????????? |
| 17:00.21 | ootput | wju dpesn't rdiff-backup preserve uid/gid + privileges? |
| 17:00.29 | Luchin0 | and me? :) |
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| 17:00.33 | ralfWORK | 250 can go to CPU0 and 250 to CPU1 |
| 17:00.35 | nkuttler | theq: can you ask a question? |
| 17:00.43 | ralfWORK | the kernel scheduler probably handles that |
| 17:00.49 | ralfWORK | obviously it won't be that cut and dry |
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| 17:00.57 | ralfWORK | but *shrug* |
| 17:01.09 | whatever | ralfWORK: hm, ok, so even though they're all managed through one starter, they're considered seperate threads? |
| 17:01.20 | ralfWORK | whatever: well, they are seperate processes |
| 17:01.27 | britt | okay its compiling |
| 17:01.34 | ralfWORK | which is not the same as a thread |
| 17:01.39 | ralfWORK | but it will do the trick |
| 17:02.01 | whatever | ralfWORK: I wish I could run apache2's multi-thread mpm with php. its so sad |
| 17:02.05 | theq | :)) again... where do i set the server domain used by sendmail through cgi invocations. messages arrive with a retun path like www-data@ |
| 17:02.06 | ralfWORK | i.e. it will make better use of SMP than you're thinking |
| 17:02.17 | theq | can you help me? |
| 17:02.17 | ralfWORK | whatever: yea, I hear ya |
| 17:02.26 | theq | Return-Path: <www-data@> |
| 17:02.28 | ralfWORK | I just wish we moved away from PHP to Java |
| 17:02.34 | theq | there is something loaded by default |
| 17:02.39 | britt | theq: where do you want it to come from? |
| 17:02.41 | britt | root? |
| 17:02.45 | ralfWORK | so it would be threaded by nature :) |
| 17:02.46 | theq | i would need something like www-data@realhost |
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| 17:03.03 | britt | theq: an actual addrress |
| 17:03.07 | theq | where do i set the host name apart from /etc/hosts |
| 17:03.15 | ralfWORK | theq: /etc/hostname |
| 17:03.21 | theq | done |
| 17:03.27 | theq | it's still blank |
| 17:03.35 | ralfWORK | might need to reboot |
| 17:03.35 | britt | hmmm...ubtresting |
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| 17:03.40 | britt | yep. agree |
| 17:03.43 | whatever | ralfWORK: I was just getting ready to look into this, but is there talks of being able to do that? And I figure I don't need to -set- anything configuration wise to tell the kernel how to disperse the load. Ok, you cannot compare php to java any more than you can c/c++ to java.....really. :P |
| 17:03.48 | theq | oohh |
| 17:04.07 | theq | hostname newhostname is immediate |
| 17:04.14 | ralfWORK | theq: I usually reboot for both hostname changes |
| 17:04.17 | theq | not sure about sendmail |
| 17:04.33 | itom | thingfish, Eulex, thanks for the suggest. Bye |
| 17:04.37 | ralfWORK | whatever: to do what? move from PHP to Java? |
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| 17:04.45 | thingfish | later itom |
| 17:04.50 | ralfWORK | and no, you can't compare PHP to Java |
| 17:04.56 | ralfWORK | except we are a development shop |
| 17:04.56 | whatever | ralfWORK: oh, um, multithread php |
| 17:05.13 | ralfWORK | so we have the ability to move from PHP to Java :) |
| 17:05.18 | whatever | goccha |
| 17:05.22 | britt | TerminX: are ya there buddy? |
| 17:05.27 | ootput | ulf_: thanks, it was mailx |
| 17:05.48 | ralfWORK | after 4000 man-hours of work :P |
| 17:05.51 | bartos | hi |
| 17:06.04 | hueh | theq: Is there a property like "from_address" or something that you pass to the cgi as part of the form post? |
| 17:06.09 | ootput | does anybody know of a similar tool to backupninja that allows creation of local rsync rules? |
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| 17:07.17 | whatever | ralfWORK: e-bay is killing me, I just got some stuff there, plus ....granted I hate intel, and I don't think its the most powerful buy far, but 2x750 PIII 1U server to take over roles as primary webserver, and mysql database. but honestly, I've never used apache on any multi-cpu'd systems yet |
| 17:07.31 | whatever | *powerful by far |
| 17:07.47 | britt | whatever: wow...thats like awesome |
| 17:07.50 | ralfWORK | whatever: oh. you don't have to worry about anything |
| 17:07.52 | ziupiu | theq: you can also create a wrapper to sendmail setting sender via -f switch |
| 17:07.53 | bartos | cau tell me what to do, if with 'apt-get update'i get some GPG errors..?? |
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| 17:08.04 | ralfWORK | whatever: just make sure you have a SMP kernel on there |
| 17:08.18 | britt | whatever: my SMP system is only a dual P-pro 333 with those overdrive CPUs |
| 17:08.40 | whatever | britt: hey, at least you've got one, right? ^_^ -=high five=- |
| 17:08.54 | britt | whatever: yep. I love that computer too. |
| 17:08.57 | ralfWORK | maybe adjust the mysql thread_concurrecy option |
| 17:09.04 | ralfWORK | and it will work Just Fine |
| 17:09.13 | ralfWORK | btw |
| 17:09.13 | whatever | ralfWORK: I've never noticed a special option for SMP, and I've compiled my kernels for years. :P |
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| 17:09.35 | ralfWORK | it's been my experience that Web servers tend to run out of RAM before running out of CPU |
| 17:09.36 | britt | configure: error: unable to find a curses library -- FATAL.....whats that mean? |
| 17:09.39 | ralfWORK | but it depends on the app |
| 17:09.39 | StyXman | hi all |
| 17:09.47 | britt | i nistalled everything ionvolved with curses |
| 17:09.53 | bartos | it says "the folowing sygnatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available" |
| 17:09.57 | Gathond | britt: that there is not a curses library it can use |
| 17:10.06 | whatever | britt: actually, I bought this server with the intent of using the case for an opteron box I have here, since I want to get into putting everything on racks since the cases are just taking up too much room. : / Hopefully it will work. |
| 17:10.09 | Gathond | britt: my guess it you need libncurses5-dev |
| 17:10.09 | britt | Gathond: is there one that I can use that you know of |
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| 17:10.23 | Gathond | and whatever that includes |
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| 17:10.42 | olczyk | First, can someone tell me where I can get a debian distgribution of gcc-4? |
| 17:10.48 | britt | whatever: wow....amazing. |
| 17:10.54 | whatever | ralfWORK: no problem, its got 2gigs...which impressed me honestly, esp for a 750mhz system....with 4 SCA ports. :o |
| 17:11.08 | britt | there's a local-to-me qual ppro system. a compaq monster |
| 17:11.17 | britt | for $50 |
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| 17:11.27 | britt | whatever: i was thinking about it.... :) |
| 17:11.38 | StyXman | I'm fighting with sarge's d-i. I can't make raid1 volumes. it keeps saying that 'tehre is no partition of type Autodetec raid volume availabe' |
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| 17:11.46 | StyXman | avalable* |
| 17:11.51 | whatever | britt: you should check e-bay, they have some great deals....seems like most CASES start at about 100 if you want to buy anything new, and you can get complete systems on e-bay for like 200ish |
| 17:11.52 | jarmohak | Hello! Is it possible to resize partitions [ext3] when they're mounted in? |
| 17:12.09 | britt | StyXman: raid sucks. I tried to use it btu it was a PITA |
| 17:12.12 | StyXman | d-i docs doesn't say much about how exactly to create raid1 volumes |
| 17:12.15 | britt | whatever: i'll keep a eye open. |
| 17:12.20 | ootput | does anybody know of a similar tool to backupninja that allows creation of local rsync rules? |
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| 17:12.50 | StyXman | britt: so you woul use ... instead of raid1 (fill in the blanks) |
| 17:12.52 | whatever | StyXman: hm, lets see..... you want to use the madam command to make the md volumes, and then you mount the md volumes |
| 17:12.56 | ootput | also, does anybody know why backupninja's remote rdiff has permissions of the remote user, and not the original perms from the local system |
| 17:13.02 | StyXman | whatever: nono, debian installer |
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| 17:13.18 | britt | StyXman: I sobbed for hours and took down my raid1 array |
| 17:13.20 | whatever | StyXman: oh |
| 17:13.26 | ralfWORK | whatever: well we have 3 webservers all with 1gb of RAM |
| 17:13.29 | StyXman | I'm installing sarge using the iso from dpkg's sarge 2.6.14 factoid |
| 17:13.36 | jarmohak | Hello! Is it possible to resize partitions [ext3] when they're mounted in? |
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| 17:13.49 | raf256 | jarmohak: I realy realy think not |
| 17:13.59 | raf256 | jarmohak: boot live cd |
| 17:14.00 | ralfWORK | and 1 DB server with 2gb of ram |
| 17:14.02 | britt | StyXman: If it gets easier to do RAid1 in linus, then i'd do it in a heartbeat...for now i tarball everything and store it on my p3-850 file server |
| 17:14.03 | ralfWORK | and they run out :P |
| 17:14.06 | whatever | ralfWORK: ohhh, that was another question!!! Do you have some sort of -load balance- for the servers, so it will auto switch users to www1 www2 www3 respectively? |
| 17:14.07 | raf256 | where can I find linux exploits? |
| 17:14.10 | StyXman | dunno if the official d-i what's on that iso... :( |
| 17:14.15 | Gathond | jarmohak: I dont think it is possible, they where working on it though |
| 17:14.18 | ralfWORK | whatever: we have a load balancer, yes |
| 17:14.18 | jarmohak | wel hmm that might be the answer, thanks alot |
| 17:14.21 | whatever | StyXman: so you want to boot of a raid volume? |
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| 17:14.37 | whatever | ralfWORK: how does that work? |
| 17:14.46 | ralfWORK | whatever: if it's possible, I'd put the web server on a different machine from the sql server |
| 17:14.51 | StyXman | whatever: eventually. now I can't even create a md device |
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| 17:15.23 | ralfWORK | whatever: it's kinda a L3 switch. presently it balances based on TCP connections iirc |
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| 17:16.06 | whatever | StyXman: that will be hard, since you need to load the kernel, which is stored ON the raid, in order to see the drives and load them as an array. to boot from raid it has to be bios level |
| 17:16.18 | ralfWORK | softraid |
| 17:16.20 | ralfWORK | *cringe* |
| 17:16.29 | whatever | ralfWORK: I was hoping for some kind of apache solution to do the same thing. : / |
| 17:16.42 | ralfWORK | whatever: do you have more than 1 webserver? |
| 17:16.50 | whatever | ralfWORK: only problem I found with that is if the primary connection goes down that routes all the connections, then nothing works |
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| 17:17.00 | whatever | ralfWORK: yep |
| 17:17.11 | ralfWORK | if you have web and DB on one machine and are hitting high load |
| 17:17.15 | Estes2 | Hi everyone, can someone preconise me a good webmail (squirrel sucks arse) |
| 17:17.24 | ralfWORK | break them into 2 different machines before even talking about a load balancer |
| 17:17.29 | sifi-x | why is GNOME the default DE instead of KDE in debian 3.1 r1? |
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| 17:17.33 | ralfWORK | load balancing is a pain in the ass |
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| 17:17.45 | StyXman | whatever: ok, suppose I won't boot from raid. I still can't create the MD device |
| 17:17.58 | Estes2 | ralfWORK, i agree on this one but still... i love it :P |
| 17:18.02 | syphox | hey. where can i download a copy of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 ? |
| 17:18.03 | StyXman | (using the debian-installer) |
| 17:18.13 | ralfWORK | the hardware device we have is a couple grand and it does the job ok |
| 17:18.15 | stew | sifi-x: because that's what the maintainer decided. if you want a kde desktop you can select a kde desktop task from aptitude |
| 17:18.21 | ralfWORK | I know you can do it with just software |
| 17:18.22 | dvs | syphox: Woody? |
| 17:18.24 | sifi-x | syphox, from "current" |
| 17:18.26 | ralfWORK | but I haven't done it |
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| 17:18.42 | whatever | ralfWORK: its actually for different server farms. lets say one is on one side of the state, the other is across state, so I want one connection to always be the default connection, and it delegates who goes to which site |
| 17:18.44 | ralfWORK | Estes2: I loathe softraid |
| 17:18.57 | sifi-x | stew, yes, they decided it due license problems? |
| 17:19.00 | Estes2 | ralfWORK, you tried drbd ? |
| 17:19.02 | syphox | i can only see 3.1r01 |
| 17:19.03 | syphox | in current |
| 17:19.06 | ralfWORK | Estes2: not yet |
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| 17:19.08 | zumbi | into what pkg could i found apt-key ? |
| 17:19.13 | whatever | StyXman: I'd suggest finishing the install, and then setting up your md devices after install finishes. Its very easy to add them manutally to fstab, etc etc |
| 17:19.16 | britt | i dont understand softraid |
| 17:19.20 | dvs | syphox: That's the most current |
| 17:19.21 | stew | sifi-x: no, there should be no license problems with any debian software |
| 17:19.24 | britt | you're still screwed if it gets corrupted |
| 17:19.28 | ralfWORK | whatever: you are aware that doing that is a bit complicated right? |
| 17:19.29 | britt | even with RAID1 |
| 17:19.29 | chealer | !tell zumbi about find apt-key |
| 17:19.31 | sifi-x | syphox, 3.1 r1 should be in current at least, I've downloaded it from there |
| 17:19.41 | whatever | britt: actually software raid is heaven. |
| 17:19.42 | Estes2 | ralfWORK, i install it today (IF i get a correct webmail) and still have time then |
| 17:19.42 | Gathond | sifi-x: they might have liked gnome better, who knows, something had to be the default :) |
| 17:19.50 | syphox | i need 3.0r2 |
| 17:19.58 | britt | whatever: why's that? |
| 17:20.04 | dvs | syphox: You have to look under woody |
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| 17:20.08 | Gathond | britt: depends on why its corrupted I suppose, |
| 17:20.11 | syphox | ty dvs |
| 17:20.17 | ralfWORK | as far as my vote for Software of The Year '05 |
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| 17:20.23 | ralfWORK | my vote goes to memcached |
| 17:20.25 | ralfWORK | it saved our ass |
| 17:20.27 | Estes2 | ralfWORK, DRBD/NFS/Heartbeat seems a good solution for craps in LB/FO |
| 17:20.43 | StyXman | well, it's interesting. I found this page: http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/ |
| 17:20.44 | whatever | britt: you are no longer constrained by physical parameters, by a certain hardware controller, can span multiple architectures (scsi, ide, sata, fibre), has much less system resource usage |
| 17:20.53 | syphox | which mirror can i find it on? |
| 17:20.54 | Gathond | britt: a good software raid system should be able to handle basically the same as a hardware raid if the disk fails |
| 17:21.07 | sifi-x | stew, Gathond yesterday I heared that it was due some license probs that could start a flamewar if KDE would be the default DE |
| 17:21.21 | britt | Gathond: oh. does linux do softraid |
| 17:21.27 | britt | a stupid Q i know. |
| 17:21.36 | Gathond | britt: yes, never used it though |
| 17:21.41 | whatever | britt: and well, if you're in a mirror, or raid 5 situation, you replace the drive and its back up, if something fails or errors, the raid goes down. |
| 17:21.51 | Gathond | britt: so does most of the "raid" controllers on motherboards these days |
| 17:21.53 | whatever | just like hardware |
| 17:22.00 | Estes2 | anyone knows about a good fre webmail ? |
| 17:22.05 | StyXman | I do exactly what it says to do, but where the MD creation thingie asks how many active partitions will be used, I'm told that no partitions are ready for MD. |
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| 17:22.12 | britt | okay. |
| 17:22.15 | sifi-x | stew, Gathond I'm just curious, I need som e argument why GNOME is choosed to be the default before KDE since its used in KNOPPIX, Kanotix etc |
| 17:22.19 | StyXman | so, the installer must be broken, or be an old one |
| 17:22.21 | Gathond | britt: it just happens to be the controllers driver that performs most of the work, not some generic software raid system |
| 17:22.29 | whatever | StyXman: first you format the drives as um, fd type |
| 17:22.31 | amaia | Estes, squirrelmail, horde |
| 17:22.44 | dvs | sifi-x: Gnome is more open |
| 17:22.46 | britt | can i ask another compiling Q |
| 17:22.51 | britt | why wont make work? |
| 17:22.54 | whatever | StyXman: ext is 82, swap is 83, and fd is linux raid auto detect |
| 17:23.00 | StyXman | whatever: the drives or the partitions? |
| 17:23.05 | sifi-x | dvs, in what way |
| 17:23.07 | bartos | Where can i find dns servers adreses in /etc ..??? they are configured but i need them |
| 17:23.07 | Gathond | sifi-x: I know of none, but I do know several dists that use Gnome as the default as well, ubuntu for one |
| 17:23.08 | britt | m, |
| 17:23.09 | britt | nm |
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| 17:23.18 | StyXman | whatever: fd type? |
| 17:23.24 | dvs | sifi-x: Qt has both an open source and commercial license. |
| 17:23.25 | whatever | StyXman: not the label, but the partition type....like, ntfs, fat..... its the hex code for the type |
| 17:23.35 | sifi-x | Gathond, ok, well, thats good to know too |
| 17:23.59 | Gathond | sifi-x: personally I dont like either:) so I dont really care one way or another :) |
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| 17:24.01 | StyXman | whatever: also: that page, the d-i's docu and my intuition says I should mark them as to-be-used-in-md-devices, and then use them |
| 17:24.01 | sifi-x | dvs, KDE is under Open Source? |
| 17:24.07 | whatever | StyXman: but if you're in the install, you probably just have to set it to "auto detect linux raid" I think? |
| 17:24.16 | britt | whats the softraid package called? |
| 17:24.19 | dvs | sifi-x: If you use it for open source, yes. |
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| 17:24.45 | whatever | britt: look for something that has madam in the package |
| 17:24.50 | bartos | Where can i find dns servers adreses in /etc ..??? they are configured but i need them |
| 17:24.51 | StyXman | whatever: to set what, the parts or the disks? |
| 17:24.52 | whatever | apt-cache search madam |
| 17:25.00 | dvs | mdadm |
| 17:25.04 | whatever | StyXman: the partition type, the partition type. :P |
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| 17:25.10 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
| 17:25.16 | sifi-x | dvs, when do I use KDE as commercial? |
| 17:25.38 | dvs | sifi-x: Then you'll have to pay for Qt |
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| 17:26.00 | dvs | sifi-x: If you are programming it that is |
| 17:26.00 | pass | When enter the command 'apt-get install ntp' I get the error: 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80]. Yet, when I use a browser to check that ip address, it works just fine. Furthermore, apt-get works fine on another machine behind the same firewall. The apt-get command just stopped working for me. Any ideas? |
| 17:26.02 | StyXman | whatever: there is no 'auto detect for raid', only phys vol for lvm and phys vol for raid |
| 17:26.07 | destr0__ | what's the easiest way to find out what device an external usb hard drive was assigned to when you plug it in? |
| 17:26.18 | whatever | ralfWORK: do you know of any good documentation to do what I hope to do? |
| 17:26.20 | StyXman | whatever: and the others: swap, ext3, etc |
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| 17:26.37 | StyXman | so, should I set them w cfdisk or similar? |
| 17:26.41 | ralfWORK | whatever: unfortunately not |
| 17:26.48 | whatever | StyXman: I set it with fdisk |
| 17:27.00 | whatever | fdisk /dev/sda |
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| 17:27.01 | whatever | etc etc |
| 17:27.09 | whatever | ralfWORK: doh |
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| 17:28.04 | bartos | can anybody help me with apt configuration?? |
| 17:28.07 | stew | sifi-x: i doubt anything that other distributions was doing had anything to do with what the desktop task installed, afaik its been gnome since before knoppix/ kanotix/ etc even existed |
| 17:28.18 | Zvpun | since packages.debian.org is currently down I cant find the site which tells about why package foo is not in testing yet. Can you tell me the link? |
| 17:28.27 | britt | hey whats the file called that aliases commands to other commands |
| 17:28.35 | whatever | ln ? |
| 17:28.39 | britt | like ls = 'ls --color' |
| 17:28.43 | bartos | i can't do apt-get update because of some public keys missing |
| 17:28.44 | whatever | oh |
| 17:28.48 | pass | alias |
| 17:28.49 | dondelelcaro | britt: .bashrc or whatever your shell sources. |
| 17:28.50 | StyXman | whatever: with cfdisk I see them as linux raid autodetec :( |
| 17:28.56 | StyXman | so the installer must be broken |
| 17:28.57 | dvs | pass: The FILE |
| 17:28.57 | Zvpun | britt: alias ls='ls --color' |
| 17:29.02 | KLD | bartos ~/.bashrc |
| 17:29.03 | pass | oops |
| 17:29.16 | dvs | britt: Like .profile? |
| 17:29.18 | whatever | StyXman: ok, well, then they are set right |
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| 17:29.23 | KLD | or for whole box think its /etc/bashrc or profile |
| 17:29.25 | StyXman | ok, will install as normal and later setup the md devices by hand |
| 17:29.37 | StyXman | whatever: tx anyway :) |
| 17:29.38 | whatever | StyXman: sounds good |
| 17:29.45 | StyXman | peace and love |
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| 17:29.47 | bartos | KLD, and then?? |
| 17:29.52 | whatever | StyXman: just search for documentation..........argh |
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| 17:30.21 | KLD | bartos just add a line in there .. alias ll='ls -l' |
| 17:30.23 | whatever | I should get some food, man cannot live off lime flavored pepsi alone. |
| 17:30.23 | britt | allright people, thanks everyone for helping. Thanks whatever for the chat |
| 17:30.29 | britt | i'lll be on later |
| 17:30.34 | whatever | britt: word dude, any time |
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| 17:30.53 | bartos | KLD, it wasn't to me i guess :) |
| 17:31.20 | bartos | KLD, i was asking about GPG keys , couse i can't do apt-get update |
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| 17:31.21 | akrus | hehe |
| 17:31.25 | akrus | hello :) |
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| 17:31.27 | KLD | bartos sry .. was talking to britt :S |
| 17:31.33 | akrus | webi_: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable Release: |
| 17:31.38 | KLD | damn auto complete :( |
| 17:31.40 | stew | bartos: /topic |
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| 17:31.42 | akrus | x_X |
| 17:31.50 | stew | akrus: /topic |
| 17:31.51 | LostFrog | bartos: Have you read the topic? |
| 17:31.59 | akrus | ah |
| 17:32.01 | whatever | gosh, what is up with all these fibre channel drives....scsi forever! |
| 17:32.02 | akrus | omg sorry |
| 17:32.08 | sifi-x | stew, your prolly right IYO |
| 17:32.12 | akrus | webi_: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable Release: |
| 17:32.13 | bartos | :) |
| 17:32.16 | akrus | :/ |
| 17:32.17 | bartos | no |
| 17:32.19 | bartos | :) |
| 17:32.23 | akrus | copying data in xchat works fine xD |
| 17:32.37 | bartos | sorry..;) |
| 17:32.57 | akrus | thankies :) |
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| 17:33.01 | stew | sifi-x: i really wouldn't try to read much into it. and i doubt whatever you heard about licensing is real. if gnome/kde no longer going to be available in debian, we all would have heard about it |
| 17:33.10 | bartos | tnx:) |
| 17:33.45 | stew | sifi-x: and i guarantee that if either tried to switch to a non-dfsg license they'd be forked like xfree was |
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| 17:34.18 | whatever | sifi-x: besides, even if they did, someone would come out with a replacement for it almost immediately I'd assume... like what happened with the whole xserver86/xorg thing |
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| 17:35.05 | whatever | stew: I godda admit, xorg is so much better than xfree |
| 17:35.17 | sifi-x | stew, dfsg? |
| 17:35.18 | stew | becuase it's modular? |
| 17:35.22 | stew | !dfsg |
| 17:35.22 | dpkg | dfsg is, like, the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 17:36.11 | stew | whatever: i have yet to experience any benefit whatsoever of xorg, i guess when the modular tree starts to hit testing in a little while i will |
| 17:36.14 | sifi-x | stew, dfsd = GPL? |
| 17:36.19 | dusty- | Does Debian 3.1 r1 come with Xorg or XFree86? |
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| 17:36.31 | sifi-x | dusty-, XFree86 |
| 17:36.32 | thingfish | dusty-: XFree86 |
| 17:36.33 | dvs | dusty-: XFree86 |
| 17:36.35 | common | unstable has xorg |
| 17:36.35 | stew | sifi-x: GPL is one of the dfsg approved licenses but there are many others, like the MIT license BSD, etc. |
| 17:36.36 | dusty- | ok |
| 17:36.42 | dvs | are we sure? |
| 17:36.46 | dusty- | dvs, How come it hasn't incorporated Xorg yet? |
| 17:36.54 | dvs | dusty-: it never will be |
| 17:36.55 | sifi-x | stew, ah, nice |
| 17:36.58 | stew | common: so does testing, but its not the modular tree, so there is no real big benefit over xfree |
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| 17:37.05 | dusty- | dvs, Why not??? |
| 17:37.07 | gnupg | why does dpkg not answer to /msg's? |
| 17:37.11 | dvs | !stable |
| 17:37.11 | dpkg | stable is, like, the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is sarge 3.1r1, or ask me about releases. |
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| 17:37.22 | azeem | gnupg: you must ask it the right questinos |
| 17:37.23 | dusty- | ah |
| 17:37.36 | stew | gnupg: if you ask it about something for which it has no response, it will not resond, try just /msg dpkg hi |
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| 17:38.12 | whatever | !dpkg are you single? |
| 17:38.36 | whatever | nope, no response. |
| 17:38.53 | sifi-x | afaik, x.org and KDE will be default in the near future many Linux distros stew whatever |
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| 17:39.14 | jebstark | hello. I would like to have several tty's for X - so that I can switch from gnome to kde without login out. (I did this several years ago, but damn, now I haven't been using debian/linux for a while and I just don't remember every commando! =(( )) |
| 17:39.35 | LostFrog | Debian has commandos? |
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| 17:39.50 | dvs | LostAngel: X Strike Force! |
| 17:39.55 | whatever | LostFrog: kick ass! |
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| 17:40.16 | NOthsouth | how can I stop this messages on my terminal ???Message from syslogd@osho at Fri Jan 6 15:47:21 2006 ... |
| 17:40.17 | NOthsouth | osho kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 17:40.22 | LostFrog | No wonder debian is so popular. |
| 17:40.40 | whatever | LostFrog: ....if it only had stormtroopers too. |
| 17:40.40 | SimonRaven | !gender |
| 17:40.40 | dpkg | I'm female |
| 17:40.43 | mortal | NOthsouth: killall syslogd |
| 17:40.45 | jebstark | so, how do I manage to get more than one tty running? |
| 17:40.57 | sifi-x | NOthsouth, Ctrl+C? |
| 17:41.00 | SimonRaven | ugh, laggy |
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| 17:41.23 | SimonRaven | jebstark: you open one. login on console or open an x term.. |
| 17:41.25 | whatever | Hey SimomRaven |
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| 17:41.48 | SimonRaven | s/m/n/ hi |
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| 17:42.06 | jebstark | simon: then I need to log out don't i? |
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| 17:42.18 | gOURAV | Hello All |
| 17:42.32 | sifi-x | gOURAV, hi |
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| 17:42.39 | raf256 | can I use debsums to check do binares on my system |
| 17:42.41 | gOURAV | Hello sifi-x |
| 17:42.42 | raf256 | and other installable files |
| 17:42.52 | sifi-x | gOURAV, wzup? |
| 17:42.53 | raf256 | match thoes from orginal signed debian packages? |
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| 17:43.13 | whatever | oh goodness, its almost 1pm? |
| 17:43.13 | relbs | apt-get install libc6 got interrupted when upgrading libc6... now I get relocation errors in libpthread for everything I do. any suggestions? |
| 17:43.14 | gOURAV | sifi-x:> Need some help for debian Documentation |
| 17:43.18 | zinosat | I think I'e lost some emails: I forced fetchmail to run inside my stable chroot (I've done it before) and it showed it found 8 messages but none of them appeared on my mutt window. where have they gone? |
| 17:43.36 | sifi-x | gOURAV, ask you questions and we will try to help you |
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| 17:45.01 | kombi_ | when dpkg -i newKernel I get "yaird error: could not modprobe -v -n --show-depends --set-version [kernelversion] psmouse", why might that be? |
| 17:45.24 | stew | kombi_: what version of debian? |
| 17:45.28 | kombi_ | testingt |
| 17:45.37 | kombi_ | !-t- |
| 17:45.47 | stew | kombi_: yaird has been a fast moving target, make sure you have the latest available |
| 17:45.56 | stew | kombi_: (apt-get install yaird) |
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| 17:46.04 | kombi_ | stew: did just that.. |
| 17:46.06 | gOURAV | sifi-x:> Suggest me some good book for Debian |
| 17:46.11 | stew | kombi_: checked the bts? |
| 17:46.20 | kombi_ | what's bts? |
| 17:46.29 | SimonRaven | !bts |
| 17:46.29 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 17:46.41 | stew | gOURAV: /msg dpkg reference |
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| 17:46.52 | oxff | hey |
| 17:46.57 | mortal | how's the multiarch support? |
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| 17:47.09 | mortal | like can I easily get 32 bit binaries including opengl stuff working on amd64 |
| 17:47.13 | oxff | i'm getting errors for ftp.de.debian.org repository, the updates would not have been signed.. normal? |
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| 17:47.24 | SimonRaven | /topic |
| 17:47.33 | oxff | k, ty |
| 17:47.43 | oxff | sorry for being an ignorant idiot ;) |
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| 17:47.57 | whatever | mortal: for amd64 stuff, there is another channel for that, I just don't remember the channel. lol |
| 17:48.16 | gOURAV | stew:> Did not understood the output |
| 17:48.22 | sifi-x | kombi_, build-essential could help I guess |
| 17:48.31 | mortal | does someone here remember that? |
| 17:48.37 | stew | gOURAV: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 17:48.46 | oxff | how did that gpg stuff happen? |
| 17:48.59 | whatever | hey guys, whats the channel for 64 bit? |
| 17:49.01 | stew | oxff: new year, new key |
| 17:49.03 | sifi-x | gOURAV, read http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-support.en.html to begin with |
| 17:49.13 | stew | whatever: #debian-amd64 |
| 17:49.13 | whatever | stew: thanks |
| 17:49.13 | gOURAV | stew:> Thanks for that |
| 17:49.14 | oxff | ah, ok stew, ty |
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| 17:49.22 | whatever | gOURAV: good luck |
| 17:49.35 | whatever | oops |
| 17:49.37 | whatever | mortal: good luck |
| 17:49.39 | js_ | i've set up pam_ldap, and everything works fine except using passwd on the machine that hosts the slapd.. i get the error "passwd: Authentication information cannot be recovered" each time i try it.. what could be wrong? |
| 17:49.39 | whatever | XD |
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| 17:50.05 | mortal | thanks |
| 17:50.23 | sifi-x | gOURAV, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/book-suggestions/ for book suggestions |
| 17:50.24 | kombi_ | sifi-x: installed build-essential, still the same.. |
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| 17:50.58 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 17:51.17 | sifi-x | kombi_, not sure then, module-init-tools |
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| 17:51.32 | kombi_ | let's see.. |
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| 17:52.06 | sifi-x | kombi_, why do you compile your kernel anyway, do you have good reasons for it? else I suggest that you install the kernel-image |
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| 17:52.25 | stew | sifi-x: why said he was compiling a kernel? |
| 17:52.53 | sifi-x | stew, no he didn't, I'm just paranoid |
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| 17:53.10 | kombi_ | for support of an nvidia on chip nic |
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| 17:53.23 | stew | kombi_: its not forcedeth? |
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| 17:53.34 | stew | sifi-x: guess you were right;) |
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| 17:53.49 | sifi-x | kombi_, so you ARE doning that, well the Nvidia drivers could be installed in the kernel-image as well |
| 17:54.13 | kombi_ | sifi-x: nope, tried before.. |
| 17:54.24 | stew | kombi_: what does lspci say it is? |
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| 17:54.38 | sifi-x | !tell kombi_ nvidia-one-liner |
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| 17:54.55 | sifi-x | !tell kombi_ nvidia-oneliner |
| 17:54.56 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have a problem and im despirit, i had once an RAID5 on 4 disks, and LVM on it, now i did a reinstall, and did the same layout, but now when i install lvm again, it ses old lvm setups, an d i cant delete that, or mount it, and cant make new lvm over it, can someone help me delete the old lvm data, that is somewhere on that array? so i finally can use lvm again? |
| 17:55.04 | stew | sifi-x: that's for video cards |
| 17:55.06 | kombi_ | where is lspci again..? |
| 17:55.08 | stew | kombi_: ignore that one-liner |
| 17:55.19 | mortal | DJ-Marcuzz: desperate |
| 17:55.27 | stew | kombi_: in pciutils |
| 17:55.29 | whatever | gosh, I wish 'kernelversion' reported more than just 2.x like 2.x.x.x accordingly |
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| 17:55.38 | kombi_ | got it to work just like that on the other box, which is almost identical hw-wise |
| 17:55.43 | mortal | and please use I'm |
| 17:55.47 | stew | kombi_: have you tried the forcedeth driver? |
| 17:55.56 | DJ-Marcuzz | thx mortal, but im really are : |
| 17:56.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | :( |
| 17:56.22 | Luchin0 | Hi to all, I have a little problem :) |
| 17:56.22 | kombi_ | stew: maybe not, is that in the image? |
| 17:56.28 | kombi_ | ..sounds a little deth though.. |
| 17:56.34 | LostFrog | whatever: uname -r isn't good enough? |
| 17:56.39 | stew | kombi_: yes, its in testing's 2.6 kernel, modprobe forcedeth |
| 17:56.45 | SimonRaven | we all have little problems, please state the problem |
| 17:56.52 | Luchin0 | :) |
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| 17:57.03 | Luchin0 | I have compiled the kernel 2.4.32 on mine Debian and to boot me meeting with a kernel panic! |
| 17:57.04 | Luchin0 | 'modprobe: modprobe: Can't open depencies file /lib/modules/2.4.32/modules.dep (No such file or directory)' |
| 17:57.20 | Luchin0 | what I can make? thank you so much :) Sorry for my english |
| 17:57.23 | Gnea | kombi_: it's deth, not death |
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| 17:57.41 | boborosso | Luchin0, sarai mica italiano? |
| 17:57.42 | kombi_ | stew: reverse engineered nForce driver.. kewl! |
| 17:57.43 | sifi-x | Luchin0, apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 17:58.02 | stew | Luchin0: man depmod |
| 17:58.02 | Luchin0 | si |
| 17:58.08 | kombi_ | stew: I was asking about that the other day.. |
| 17:58.11 | SimonRaven | module-init-tools is for 2.6 kernels |
| 17:58.16 | Gnea | someone loan me a few bucks, please? :P http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5849285587 |
| 17:58.18 | Luchin0 | si, borborosso |
| 17:58.22 | sifi-x | SimonRaven, whats for 2.4? |
| 17:58.23 | vbo | hello. Anyone aware of any font weirdness upon updating to X 6.9? Fonts are just much smaller, i have to set the size to 16 or above to get a reasonable size. |
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| 17:58.26 | kombi_ | stew: see whether that works.. |
| 17:58.35 | SimonRaven | modutils |
| 17:58.41 | boborosso | Luchin0, se non capisci quello che ti dicono mandami in privato /italian |
| 17:58.54 | SimonRaven | though IITC m-i-t can handle 2.4 kernels, but i'm not sure |
| 17:58.58 | SimonRaven | IIRC* |
| 17:59.05 | SimonRaven | !it |
| 17:59.05 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 17:59.09 | stew | kombi_: i don't think it works for every nforce nic but it works for my nforce4 board |
| 17:59.32 | Luchin0 | borborosso come faccio a querarti? |
| 17:59.33 | kombi_ | stew: I trying right now.. |
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| 17:59.47 | PupenoL | Is there some font that you know that provide the western musical symbols (unicode range 1D100-1D1FF: http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1D100.pdf) ? |
| 18:00.13 | Zugschlus | !dpkg italian |
| 18:00.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 18:00.47 | anapivirtua_ | lut tlm |
| 18:00.58 | boborosso | usa "/msg boborosso testo" |
| 18:01.13 | Luchin0 | si questo lo so :) |
| 18:01.26 | Luchin0 | ma devo registrarmi o qualcosa del genere? |
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| 18:01.37 | boborosso | no |
| 18:02.02 | Luchin0 | ok, prova a querarmi tu |
| 18:02.06 | eeyore- | PupenoL: somewhat-related answer ... lilypond? |
| 18:02.57 | PupenoL | eeyore-: I don't know how lilypond might help me, although it might (I am re-developing http://scret.sf.net) |
| 18:02.59 | boborosso | ho provato. mi saro' firewallato troppo :) |
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| 18:03.32 | Luchin0 | no, guarda cosa risponde irc.debian.org quando query |
| 18:03.53 | Luchin0 | Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
| 18:03.53 | eeyore- | PupenoL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lilypond-screenshot-adeste.png |
| 18:04.16 | azeem | Luchin0: #debian-it |
| 18:04.35 | boborosso | oh scusa hai ragione - solo che ora sono di fretta- hanno ragione a mandarti su debian-it :) |
| 18:04.43 | Luchin0 | thank you azeem :) |
| 18:04.48 | vb_coder | i installed debian without internet. how can i setup dhcp. i tried running /usr/bin/base-config and searching google for the answer. |
| 18:04.53 | PupenoL | eeyore-: yes, all right. but I don't know if I can use lilypond's data without a lot of effort. |
| 18:04.58 | azeem | boborosso: #debian-it |
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| 18:05.27 | stew | vb_coder: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
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| 18:05.46 | boborosso | azeem why on earth should i go there. |
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| 18:06.02 | SimonRaven | because it's an english channel here |
| 18:06.08 | azeem | boborosso: because you seem to talk italian in here |
| 18:06.16 | kombi_ | stew: forcedeth loads fine but no eth1 in dmesg, which board did you say you got working with it? |
| 18:06.19 | azeem | if you want to talk italian, do so in #debian-it or some other italian chan |
| 18:06.23 | boborosso | i am replying in italian, that's different :) |
| 18:06.27 | azeem | boborosso: nope |
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| 18:06.38 | gioeleb | hi |
| 18:06.46 | SimonRaven | no it isn't. and don't contradict the op |
| 18:06.48 | stew | kombi_: no errors when you load it and no messages in dmesg? |
| 18:06.55 | kombi_ | exactly.. |
| 18:06.59 | boborosso | azeem, then how do you redirect a user to an italian channel if he does not understand you? :) |
| 18:07.00 | azeem | boborosso: you shouldn't reply in non-english languages in here either, except for "please join #debian-it" on italian perhaps |
| 18:07.07 | azeem | boborosso: !it |
| 18:07.09 | azeem | !it |
| 18:07.09 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:07.12 | stew | kombi_: mine is: 0000:00:0a.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 Ethernet Controller (rev a3) |
| 18:07.17 | SimonRaven | !it |
| 18:07.26 | neuwald | hi folks |
| 18:07.37 | SimonRaven | that's how ^^. and not the first time it was shown |
| 18:07.38 | neuwald | I have a package that are always on the 'removed list' |
| 18:07.49 | neuwald | and everytime apt-get told me to remove it |
| 18:08.01 | kombi_ | stew: where did you call up that info? Got K8NF4G-SATA2 here.. |
| 18:08.11 | neuwald | how to let the package installed, without touch it, without apt-get say everytime that I need to remove it? |
| 18:08.12 | stew | kombi_: lspci |
| 18:08.17 | Luchin0 | azeem, sorry for my italian, i'm a newbie :) |
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| 18:08.23 | azeem | Luchin0: no problem |
| 18:08.36 | azeem | neuwald: try to research why it is getting removed |
| 18:08.40 | Luchin0 | ok |
| 18:08.49 | kombi_ | stew: lspci is part of which package again..? |
| 18:08.52 | azeem | neuwald: is that during a dist-upgrade, or while installing some other random package? |
| 18:09.08 | stew | kombi_: /lastlog |
| 18:09.10 | neuwald | azeem while installing other random package |
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| 18:09.12 | stew | kombi_: /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:09.26 | kombi_ | pciutils.. ok |
| 18:09.31 | Shnifti | hello |
| 18:09.34 | SimonRaven | gets confusing enough as it is just with the english in here... adding more languages to that mix would really complicate things |
| 18:09.50 | neuwald | azeem it's a package with a broken dependency. But it doesnt' matters, the package are working ok with these broken dependency. |
| 18:10.01 | zumbi | is there a GPG key for nerim packages ? |
| 18:10.10 | gioeleb | I have a remote box with a little debian sarge installation. I want to experiment a bit with it but I don't want to ruin my remote stable system with my experiments. Is there a way to "mirror" the setup in another box? I there a way to know which packages are installed in the remote box and install a system from that list? |
| 18:10.13 | SimonRaven | yes. |
| 18:10.25 | azeem | neuwald: well, then you are operating beyond APT's normal parameters |
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| 18:10.33 | azeem | neuwald: you can try putting it on hold |
| 18:10.35 | boborosso | is security.debian.org down for you too? |
| 18:10.45 | neuwald | azeem how? :-) |
| 18:11.01 | azeem | !hold |
| 18:11.01 | dpkg | from memory, hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect or aptitude. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold. |
| 18:11.36 | Shnifti | i've a small problem - im asking myself where i should place the bootflag (/boot or in the /) ? |
| 18:11.43 | neuwald | thank you |
| 18:11.44 | neuwald | :-) |
| 18:11.45 | KLD | anyone faced issues with new kernel (2.6.15) and fglrx? |
| 18:12.13 | zumbi | Shnifti: /boot, i believe |
| 18:12.20 | caphuso | Shnifti: doesn't matter |
| 18:12.20 | Shnifti | ok thanks |
| 18:12.23 | dondelelcaro | Shnifti: generally /boot if it's a separate partition; in reality it doesn't matter if you stick grub or lilo on the MBR. |
| 18:12.26 | mortal | KLD: no, because we don't use such non-free drivers :p |
| 18:12.31 | KLD | keep getting unknown symbol pm_* error |
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| 18:12.37 | AciD | KLD > #ati |
| 18:12.38 | *** topic/#debian by azeem -> PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | /msg dpkg apt secure | Please note: this is not #ubuntu. |
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| 18:12.49 | azeem | the kernels seem fixed |
| 18:13.08 | zinosat | where can I find the keyid for http://freedom.dicea.unifi.it/ftp/pub/linux/debian/ |
| 18:13.08 | KLD | ok ok :) |
| 18:13.31 | Shnifti | thanks for the fast help cu |
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| 18:14.40 | zinosat | zumbi, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/faq.html |
| 18:14.43 | tansaku | I had a question about cron jobs on debian: if I want to run a particular command from a specific directory how should I do that? |
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| 18:15.06 | mortal | tansaku: script it |
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| 18:15.15 | dondelelcaro | tansaku: cd foodir && foocmd; |
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| 18:15.57 | tansaku | dondelelcaro: ah so like 0 1 * * * cd /usr/home/mydir/ $$ rake |
| 18:16.09 | tansaku | mortal: scripts right ... |
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| 18:16.14 | dondelelcaro | $$!=&&. |
| 18:16.25 | tansaku | dondelelcaro: oops - jetlag got me |
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| 18:16.56 | zumbi | thanks zinosat |
| 18:17.18 | tansaku | dondelelcaro: is there a good source of documentation on things like && - like I can't do man &&, or well I can but I don't find out about && |
| 18:17.31 | dondelelcaro | tansaku: man bash; (or zsh or whatever your shell is) |
| 18:17.34 | zinosat | zumbi, np. I still cannot find the keyid for http://freedom.dicea.unifi.it though |
| 18:18.46 | tansaku | dondelelcaro: many thanks |
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| 18:22.30 | whatever | what is the easiest way to copy a systems root partition to another drive, to replace the first drive |
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| 18:22.47 | whatever | without pulling that drive out and booting it in another system |
| 18:22.56 | Dorfl | Is it possible to get CIFS support in a 2.4 kernel please? |
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| 18:24.18 | tansaku | I have another question about pipes on debian, which is that when I do mycommand | mail me@me.com I get most of the mycommand output, but not all, some of it still gets dumped to the screen and not passed down the pipe - is there any way to make the pipe all devouring? |
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| 18:24.51 | gioeleb | tansaku: the error channel (stderr) is not piped to mail |
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| 18:25.12 | gioeleb | tansaku: try mycommand 2>&1 | mail me@me.com |
| 18:25.13 | Dorfl | For that you'll need something like &2>1 mail |
| 18:25.25 | Dorfl | I was close, for being from ancient memory. |
| 18:25.25 | tansaku | thanks guys - I'll try those |
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| 18:25.33 | Noboru | SATAII HDDs are well supported in debian ? |
| 18:25.45 | whatever | Noboru: depends on the controller, not the drive |
| 18:25.53 | whatever | Noboru: but generally, yes |
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| 18:26.02 | Noboru | wait |
| 18:26.12 | Noboru | whatever, your name...huh ? |
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| 18:26.23 | whatever | Noboru: the most common controller is the Sil3114 chip |
| 18:26.34 | whatever | noboru: it would appear so, yes |
| 18:26.45 | kilo | anyone know here of any software that can convert wmv to mpg? having problems with mplayer |
| 18:26.53 | Noboru | whatever, i mean i used to use whatever in chat haha |
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| 18:27.19 | Noboru | whatever, ok thanks, so you mean that controller can be found in the motherboard ? |
| 18:27.36 | whatever | Noboru: if you have sata support on your motherboard, then yes |
| 18:27.46 | Noboru | I see. |
| 18:28.43 | abrotman | eeyore-: memoserv? |
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| 18:29.05 | tansaku | gioeleb/Dorfl: thanks that worked just fine (2>&1) |
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| 18:29.56 | Rev`rend | Would anyone here be able to point me at a guide for setting up an smtp and pop3 server under sarge? I've tried googling, and can only seem to find outdated info on previous versions of exim |
| 18:30.09 | DJ-Marcuzz | is there a way rto recal the partitioner used in the setup? |
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| 18:30.32 | tansaku | so I have one last question, given my command: mycommand 2>&1 | mail -s daily\ mail me@me.com, what I would really like is to have a line of the output from mycommand (say the last line) be the subject line of the mail that gets sent (currently I just get "daily mail") |
| 18:31.02 | Zugschlus | Rev`rend: dovecot is rather easy to configure |
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| 18:31.21 | dondelelcaro | tansaku: mycommand 2>&1 > tmpfile; mail -s $(tail -n 1 tmpfile) me@me.com |
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| 18:31.37 | tansaku | dondelcaro: beautiful |
| 18:31.38 | dondelelcaro | < tmpfile; of course. |
| 18:31.47 | Rev`rend | zug: it does both pop and smtp, or just one? I want to also make sure I'm not an open relay, of course |
| 18:31.50 | ZiDaNe | One newbie question: Can I install Debian Testing from netinstall CD (in web site it says it's for the stable)? |
| 18:31.50 | eeyore- | abrotman: what about memoserv? |
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| 18:32.19 | dondelelcaro | ZiDaNe: yes. |
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| 18:32.32 | ZiDaNe | thx |
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| 18:32.43 | whatever | ZiDaNe: 'testing' 'unstable' 'stable' just specifices the package types that you install, you just have to change the type in /apt/sources.list and it will download the testing packages |
| 18:32.54 | ZiDaNe | ah ok |
| 18:32.55 | ZiDaNe | thx |
| 18:32.58 | whatever | np |
| 18:33.15 | DJ-Marcuzz | how can i recal the partition program used during the debian install? |
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| 18:33.27 | ZiDaNe | and can you tell me how much space do I need ~ for a desktop system ? |
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| 18:33.41 | ZiDaNe | I ask that because there are lots of packages as I've read |
| 18:33.53 | dondelelcaro | ZiDaNe: depends on what you plan on installing. |
| 18:34.06 | whatever | ZiDaNe: what dondelecaro said |
| 18:34.27 | ZiDaNe | I used Slackware and 2,5GB with all packages I needed were enough for me |
| 18:34.29 | Rev`rend | okay, I see. dovecot will provide me with pop3 services. |
| 18:34.45 | es0 | ZiDaNe. I just finished an install of the Etch release and it is using about 3 GB total.. but I install alot.. kde and gnome, etc. |
| 18:34.58 | ZiDaNe | ah well, ok |
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| 18:35.26 | Rev`rend | what about smtp? should I use exim, or sendmail, or something else? what's the most secure and relatively easy to configure? |
| 18:35.34 | ZiDaNe | and last question before install: do I have to create partitons manually or it guides me with some interface ? |
| 18:35.35 | wwallace_lap | hello dondelelcaro |
| 18:35.46 | es0 | ZiDaNe. which release are you installing? |
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| 18:36.02 | ZiDaNe | netinstall |
| 18:36.14 | ZiDaNe | I want to install testing |
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| 18:36.32 | es0 | Rev`rend. I prefer sendmail, but I'm having all kinds of issues with this new release modifying my config files each reboot. |
| 18:36.58 | Zugschlus | Rev`rend: exim4 or postfix, whatever makes you feel more comfortable. You'll need to become your mail server software's best friend, so choose wisely and read a lot of docs before deciding. |
| 18:37.02 | Zugschlus | !dpkg start an mta war |
| 18:37.03 | dpkg | sendmail is hard to configure |
| 18:37.27 | es0 | ZiDaNe. you will have an option to chose you to partition or keep it all one. |
| 18:37.42 | es0 | There is a nice interface with lots of help. |
| 18:37.47 | ZiDaNe | oh cool |
| 18:38.02 | ZiDaNe | thx a lot guys, going to install and test this distro ;) |
| 18:38.06 | ZiDaNe | bye for now |
| 18:38.11 | es0 | dpkg, I have sendmail running on several machines. But I'm not famiiar with this resolvconf stuff. |
| 18:38.34 | Zugschlus | !bot |
| 18:38.34 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 18:38.58 | LostFrog | Did you say you were a tool? lol |
| 18:38.59 | dvs | !shut up |
| 18:38.59 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 18:39.14 | Rev`rend | my problem with exim4 is I can't find a howto on it. I've found some for earlier versions of exim, but they list the conf files differently, and I can't wrap my mind around that |
| 18:39.38 | Zugschlus | Rev`rend: HOWTOs are bad. Don't use. |
| 18:39.42 | Zugschlus | try to learn the stuff |
| 18:39.51 | Pingy_ | howtos can often be out of date :/ |
| 18:39.58 | Rev`rend | I noticed that |
| 18:40.03 | Rev`rend | =) |
| 18:40.08 | Pingy_ | and may not apply to your distro or system configuration |
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| 18:40.29 | es0 | Rev`rend. are you trying to set up a simple basic mail server or are you doing multiple domains and masquarading? |
| 18:40.32 | LostFrog | Is there sarcasm here? |
| 18:41.03 | Rev`rend | simple basic mail server. I'm setting up a simple website for my wife with a domain, and a couple of email addresses to go with the domain |
| 18:41.12 | DJ-Marcuzz | someone help me i get errors and errors and errors: |
| 18:41.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | Server-FS1:~# pvcreate /dev/md6 |
| 18:41.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | Server-FS1:~# vgcreate data-arrays /dev/md6 |
| 18:41.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.20 | _keroppi_ | I'm trying to do dpkg --build, but dpkg is looking for "DEBIAN/control", not "debian/control", and it's faililng. How do I fix this? |
| 18:41.42 | gioeleb | Rev`rend: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 18:41.48 | DJ-Marcuzz | vgdisplay Incorrect metadata area header checksum |
| 18:41.55 | stew | _keroppi_: try dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 18:42.03 | es0 | it doesn't sound too difficult. Have you looked at the webmin modules for exim or sendmail? They can probably help. |
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| 18:42.44 | Rev`rend | es0: I haven't, actually. haven't installed webmin |
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| 18:42.59 | whatever | Rev`rend: webmin is good stuff |
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| 18:43.44 | dvs | whatever: whatever |
| 18:43.49 | stew | !webmin |
| 18:43.49 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 18:43.58 | es0 | Rev`rend. I looked at the sendmail module for webmin briefly, I think it would help with a simple system. Unfortunately my cofiguration was a little more complex. |
| 18:44.15 | whatever | lol |
| 18:44.24 | dhaval | hey |
| 18:44.25 | whatever | the key here is -exposed- |
| 18:44.34 | Zugschlus | webmin and sendmail on a single system? *yuck* |
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| 18:44.59 | Zugschlus | imo, the only reason for sendmail is that it is already installed with a configuration so complex that it would take weeks to migrate to something else |
| 18:45.02 | es0 | I only threw webmin on it to see if you would give me any insight. |
| 18:45.29 | es0 | Zugschlus. exactly my situation! |
| 18:45.43 | dhaval | i need some help on debian, i am a newbie on deb, and having some problems with the gui. gdm crashes at bootup. any suggestions |
| 18:45.47 | eeyore- | zygsc: no, in that case you pull out sendmail and replace it with postfix |
| 18:45.53 | Rev`rend | my server isn't exposed. I'm port forwarding through my router, allowing only web, ssh, and eventually, mail through |
| 18:45.54 | eeyore- | Zugschlus: ^^^ |
| 18:46.10 | _keroppi_ | stew: so I have to cd into the directory with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 18:46.12 | eeyore- | postfix has sane options |
| 18:46.18 | stew | _keroppi_: yes |
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| 18:46.25 | _keroppi_ | stew: Is this program just a better way of doing dpkg --build? |
| 18:46.31 | dusty- | whereis the X config file located on debian 3.1 r1? |
| 18:47.01 | Zugschlus | Rev`rend: that's what we call exposed |
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| 18:47.18 | Zugschlus | dusty-: /etc/X11/XF86config-4, IIRC |
| 18:47.23 | Rev`rend | heh. okay |
| 18:47.35 | stew | _keroppi_: honestly i didnt' even know dpkg had a --build becuase everybody uses dpkg-buildpackage (or apt-get -b source) |
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| 18:48.01 | stew | dhaval: does it give any errors? have you looked at the X log? |
| 18:48.04 | sifi-x | where did bill gates donates the moneys from M$? |
| 18:48.11 | _keroppi_ | stew: so apt-get -b source automatically downloads the source and builds it? |
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| 18:48.16 | stew | _keroppi_: yes |
| 18:48.34 | dusty- | Zugschlus, Its not there? |
| 18:48.36 | stew | _keroppi_: provided you have already run apt-get build-dep packagename and apt-get install build-essential |
| 18:49.08 | Rev`rend | alright. I think I have enough to run on and get this thing figured out. thanks for all the help |
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| 18:50.04 | Zugschlus | dusty-: sorry, that was from memory. I don't run X on sarge |
| 18:50.10 | pawdro | can you recommend me any good player for mov files? because totem ang gxine displays "big" pixels |
| 18:50.18 | pureone | mplayer |
| 18:50.22 | dhaval | stew: at bootup, i get a message saying gdm has failed to load, fix the problem and reload it (or something to that effect) |
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| 18:51.17 | stew | dhaval: look for errors (lines starting with EE) in /var/log/Xfree86.0.log (or Xorg.0.log) |
| 18:51.18 | whatever | whats +tnl 827? ...827 xps till next level? |
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| 18:51.31 | LostFrog | whatever: +l sets a limit on the number of people in the channel. |
| 18:51.41 | whatever | ah |
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| 18:52.02 | _keroppi_ | stew: Can you get it to do make install after it's done as well? |
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| 18:52.15 | _keroppi_ | stew: I couldn't find it in the manpage |
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| 18:52.54 | stew | _keroppi_: it creates a .deb which you dpkg -i |
| 18:52.55 | Estes2 | uhh, packages still is down |
| 18:52.58 | Estes2 | ??!! |
| 18:53.07 | _keroppi_ | stew: oh yeah |
| 18:53.28 | stew | Estes2: yes |
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| 18:53.42 | stew | Estes2: only the search features afaik |
| 18:53.43 | dondelelcaro | Estes2: you're on irc. use the bot or apt-file instead. |
| 18:54.00 | Estes2 | apt-file's not installed |
| 18:54.07 | Estes2 | how should i use the bot for this ? |
| 18:54.09 | stew | Estes2: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 18:54.14 | Estes2 | heh |
| 18:54.17 | Estes2 | ok, thanks guys |
| 18:54.28 | dondelelcaro | !tell Estes2 -about search |
| 18:54.29 | stew | Estes2: "/msg dpkg find foo" will search for files named foo |
| 18:54.29 | EdLin | !info apt-file sarge |
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| 18:54.38 | dpkg | apt-file: (APT package searching utility -- command-line interface), section base, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 18:54.47 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: other than WIR .. is there a timeline for packages.d.o ? |
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| 18:55.07 | Estes2 | just a question though.... anyone knows about alacarte in debian? i "only want to configure my gnome menu" |
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| 18:55.09 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: dunno; that machine (iirc) is restricted, so only certain people have acess to it. |
| 18:55.10 | EdLin | ah, wrong one, ooops |
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| 18:55.19 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: we should burn them at the stake! |
| 18:55.33 | stew | abrotman: do you think it woudl help? :) |
| 18:56.01 | abrotman | stew: no ... but who doesn't love a good BBQ |
| 18:56.04 | dondelelcaro | Estes2: it's in NEW, it'll probably be in unstable within a week. |
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| 18:56.08 | dondelelcaro | Estes2: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 18:56.26 | dondelelcaro | stew: you prefer bad barbeques? |
| 18:56.28 | Estes2 | dondelelcaro, as usual thanks a lot |
| 18:56.38 | stew | i prefer cheese |
| 18:56.49 | britt | okay, I have a huge problem. Someone changed my password on squirrelmail, i think someon is comprimizing my box again. Will changing passwords help? |
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| 18:57.23 | Gathond | britt: not if its been compromised (if this includes actually rooting it and not just changing one single mail users password) |
| 18:57.35 | eeyore- | britt: how could someone compromise your box to begin with? are you that special? |
| 18:57.42 | eeyore- | britt: i think you just forgot your password ... |
| 18:57.56 | stew | britt: if your box has been compromised by anyone with a clue, just changing passwords will not be enough, "/msg dpkg securing debian" and read the "what to do after a compromise" section |
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| 18:58.27 | britt | eeyore-: my box was comprimised before, and i had to re-do everything. fortunately its a linode, so it didnt take long to do. |
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| 18:58.37 | stew | eeyore-: you certainly don't have to be special to be compromised, unless running an apache server is special |
| 18:58.54 | whatever | later guys |
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| 18:59.05 | britt | eeyore-: i'm just as special as eveyone else. |
| 18:59.05 | eeyore- | stew: well ... you know what i mean :-) does he have any other explaination for what he's seeing, other than blaming it on "i'm hacked" |
| 18:59.23 | devicenull | ugh, my debian machine has went unresponsive. |
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| 18:59.25 | devicenull | sucks |
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| 19:00.11 | devicenull | I think it unassociated with the WAP |
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| 19:00.18 | britt | eeyore-: im running a public forum on phpbb, and then apache. |
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| 19:00.21 | devicenull | is there any way to get it to re associate automagically? |
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| 19:01.01 | dvs | dingo: you ate my baby! Grrrrrrrr! |
| 19:01.01 | eeyore- | britt: how do you think the "person" was able to change your squirrelmail password? php scripting hack of some sort? |
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| 19:01.24 | tuv | how do i downgrade all unstable packages to testing if it exists in testing? |
| 19:01.41 | britt | eeyore-: i dunno. i dont think so. Its a very secure and wierd non-dictionary password. |
| 19:01.48 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 19:01.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
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| 19:02.06 | britt | eeyore-: maybe someone has a packet sniffer somewhere before it goes to the linode or something |
| 19:02.10 | britt | :( |
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| 19:03.00 | pureone | apt-get install chkrootkit rkhunter |
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| 19:03.07 | zinosat | where can I find the keyid? W: GPG error: http://freedom.dicea.unifi.it testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 19:03.10 | brainiac_ghost | hi |
| 19:03.12 | brainiac_ghost | right |
| 19:03.18 | brainiac_ghost | i have decided that gentoo sucks |
| 19:03.21 | tuv | dvs: well.. i have few unstable packages but i thought someone might have thought about a script or something to automate the process |
| 19:03.21 | pureone | zinosat /msg dpkg secure apt |
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| 19:03.30 | brainiac_ghost | but i don't want to turn back to windows |
| 19:03.44 | brainiac_ghost | i want to have a desktop install, should i use debian |
| 19:03.57 | eeyore- | brainiac_ghost: if you can't hack gentoo ... |
| 19:04.20 | brainiac_ghost | eeyore-, it was because one of the devs is a complete a-hole |
| 19:04.28 | zinosat | pureone, nothing happens |
| 19:04.34 | brainiac_ghost | eeyore-, i don't want anything to do with it |
| 19:04.37 | es0 | ok, I'm going to bite the bullet and replace sendmail with exim. |
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| 19:04.46 | pureone | er sorry zinosay, /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 19:04.49 | pureone | see /topic |
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| 19:05.03 | pureone | zinosat* |
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| 19:06.08 | superlinux | hi all |
| 19:06.14 | zinosat | pureone, thanx. the first link is broken |
| 19:06.41 | superlinux | i wanna know how can i limit the number of allowed TCP sessions for a user. |
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| 19:07.00 | S4nD3r | What to install in debian instead of lmule??? |
| 19:07.06 | eeyore- | brainiac_ghost: you'll always find difficult characters everywhere. you should commit yourself to insane asylum now, so you don't have to deal with difficult characters. oh wait. even there you still have to deal with them. commit suicide now and get it over with. |
| 19:07.06 | S4nD3r | I want a p2p software |
| 19:07.17 | XTF | A BitTorrent client? |
| 19:07.20 | pureone | limewire/bittorrent |
| 19:07.22 | brainiac_ghost | eeyore-, no |
| 19:07.58 | pureone | brainiac_ghost, i would of thought you wanted to give up gentoo because all the compiling bullshit :) |
| 19:08.00 | superlinux | i wanna know how can i limit the number of allowed TCP sessions for a user, please |
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| 19:08.19 | es0 | now I got a question.. I did the aptitude install exim4.. but I thought I'd get a configure script-routine.. I got nothing accept a successful installation. |
| 19:08.20 | stew | !no apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D>, or ask me about <2006 key> |
| 19:08.21 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 19:08.30 | tuv | how can i list installed packages from unstable (most of my packages are from testing)? |
| 19:08.30 | eeyore- | superlinux: it's not done per-user, sorry |
| 19:08.31 | S4nD3r | limewire theres no to debian |
| 19:08.33 | brainiac_ghost | pureone, that to |
| 19:08.47 | superlinux | eeyore-, ok then how? |
| 19:08.55 | pureone | S4nD3r, yeah you can get it from the limewire site |
| 19:08.58 | eeyore- | superlinux: there's no way to tell which "user" has any particular TCP packet ... |
| 19:08.58 | brainiac_ghost | pureone, considering kubuntu |
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| 19:09.10 | pureone | eewwww |
| 19:09.13 | stew | tuv: by comparing installed versions to output of apt-cache policy packagename |
| 19:09.20 | eeyore- | superlinux: what is it you want to do? |
| 19:09.21 | gogosys | hello how can i rotate log without logrotate? |
| 19:09.22 | gogosys | thanks |
| 19:09.25 | S4nD3r | I must install bittorrent to ??? pureone |
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| 19:09.41 | pureone | if you want, its _your_ choice |
| 19:09.50 | superlinux | i here that ISP's do something like that |
| 19:09.58 | superlinux | i hear that ISP's do something like that |
| 19:10.16 | britt | hmm... |
| 19:10.39 | eeyore- | superlinux: you misunderstood something fairly fundamental |
| 19:10.49 | sifi-x | superlinux, iptables? |
| 19:11.01 | eeyore- | superlinux: or, you just played hard and fast with words, blurring their meanings |
| 19:11.02 | abrotman | gogosys: mv |
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| 19:11.13 | devicenull | is there a way to make my box re-associate with the access point if it looses internet connection? |
| 19:11.17 | S4nD3r | is possible to install a rpm program in debian ??? |
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| 19:11.24 | jdhutchin1 | S4nD3r, yes, look into alient |
| 19:11.27 | jdhutchin1 | *alien |
| 19:11.31 | stew | devicenull: man iwconfig |
| 19:11.45 | pureone | S4nD3r, just download the package for all linux distros |
| 19:11.56 | S4nD3r | Im doing that |
| 19:12.09 | sifi-x | superlinux, so you want to limit the TCP packages for a specific IP or what? |
| 19:12.32 | superlinux | sifi-x, yes |
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| 19:12.46 | zinosat | pureone, still stuck and confused:sorry. |
| 19:12.55 | t4dyce | Help with 3D Nvidia Geforce 440 on debian 3.1 |
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| 19:13.08 | sifi-x | superlinux, then iptables is your friend, look at netfilter.org |
| 19:13.17 | stew | t4dyce: if you have a specific question, go ahead and ask it |
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| 19:13.35 | abrotman | stew: now can we bbq? :) |
| 19:13.39 | pureone | zinosat, /msg dpkg apt-key 4F368D5D |
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| 19:13.57 | cisox | Hello, I am setting up a debian repository/creating source packages. I have everything setup and when I go to try to use the repository using apt-get source <package> I get an error about failing to link my repository's package to the package I am trying to get. How I go about doing this? |
| 19:13.58 | superlinux | sifi-x, i know that i need iptables, what i really need is which topic in iptables should i read? |
| 19:14.04 | murky | l |
| 19:14.14 | sifi-x | superlinux, RTM |
| 19:14.15 | abrotman | superlinux: ask #iptables ? |
| 19:14.15 | stew | abrotman: wtfbbq? |
| 19:14.22 | abrotman | stew: nvidia! |
| 19:14.36 | stew | no thanks |
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| 19:14.45 | gogosys | abrotman but i'm doing "mv file.log /file.log.bak" and it will rotate per minute and the file "file.log.bak" won't have logs |
| 19:14.51 | t4dyce | Is there instructions for nvidia geforce 3d running on 3.1 |
| 19:15.08 | stew | t4dyce: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 19:15.09 | blondie | gogosys: and file.log.bak will be in the root dir? |
| 19:15.19 | devicenull | stew, theres nothing in that manual about retrying the connection |
| 19:15.35 | abrotman | gogosys: because nothing was in the log ? |
| 19:15.36 | devicenull | theres the retry command, but thats for sending packets |
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| 19:15.45 | abrotman | gogosys: because the app writing to it is holding it open ? |
| 19:15.49 | stew | devicenull: if the essid/channel/key are correct it should automaticall associate |
| 19:15.52 | murky | es0: Sufficed to say that did not work. A cross appeard after startx, a red line vertically and a greyish one horizontal. Screen black and unresponsive. Could ssh in, but did not really know how to stop things, so did the vulcan grip of death. (As I can now speak on channel, the problem trying to solve is to get gnome/X running on a debian macintosh ibook |
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| 19:16.07 | zinosat | pureone, fixed. thanx a lot |
| 19:16.19 | pureone | no problem |
| 19:16.25 | zinosat | pureone, oops. not fixed :( |
| 19:16.36 | pureone | run apt-get update twice |
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| 19:16.56 | gogosys | abrotman if in first file i wil have only one line that when server will be down i will never find occur of n.g server down? |
| 19:16.59 | es0 | murky, you can normally abort an X session with CTRL-ALT-Backspace. and return to the command prompt. |
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| 19:17.03 | britt | what do i msg dpkg to learn about securing linux |
| 19:17.10 | murky | good to know |
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| 19:17.18 | stew | britt: /msg dpkg securing debian |
| 19:17.21 | britt | ok |
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| 19:17.49 | stew | murky: since you are on a mac, you may want to ask in #debianppc |
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| 19:18.42 | es0 | is there a command I can run that will prompt me for info to configure exim? |
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| 19:19.21 | murky | stew~: thanks |
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| 19:19.50 | Zugschlus | es0: I hope you chose exim4, not exim |
| 19:20.02 | es0 | Zugschlus. yes, exim4 |
| 19:20.07 | Zugschlus | !drec |
| 19:20.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drec is dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # Run it as root! |
| 19:20.41 | es0 | thanks dpkg! I never can remember that. |
| 19:20.41 | dpkg | es0: my pleasure |
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| 19:21.05 | fcn | what should i do to run a program when wmaker starts? |
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| 19:21.47 | zinosat | pureone, still the same pb. root@slurp:/# apt-key list |
| 19:21.48 | zinosat | /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
| 19:21.48 | zinosat | -------------------- |
| 19:21.48 | zinosat | pub 1024D/4F368D5D 2005-01-31 [expires: 2006-01-31] |
| 19:21.48 | zinosat | uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 19:21.52 | stew | fcn: edit ~/.xsession and add the command to start the program in the background before wmaker starts |
| 19:22.01 | pureone | hehe |
| 19:22.04 | Kernel-Kris | where can i find info on adding static routes to the /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 19:22.13 | dondelelcaro | Kernel-Kris: man 5 interfaces; has the info |
| 19:22.20 | dondelelcaro | zinosat: read /topic |
| 19:22.21 | dvs | Yeah, the "2006 key" factoid doesnt put the key in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
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| 19:22.34 | Kernel-Kris | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 19:22.45 | dondelelcaro | dvs: eh? that's what the gpg --export fookeyid|apt-key add -; thing is doing. |
| 19:22.50 | fcn | stew: thank you |
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| 19:23.41 | solomonn | has anybody got networked printing going with cupsys? i have it working locally but i can't seem to get it going over the lan |
| 19:23.47 | fcn | stew: what about .xinitrc? |
| 19:23.59 | Kernel-Kris | dondelelcaro: i see nothing about static routes in there |
| 19:24.01 | pureone | what about apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
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| 19:24.06 | dvs | dondelelcaro: it put the key in /root/.gnupg/ |
| 19:24.27 | solomonn | i don't know if i need to be enabling something over the web admin. interface, i don't see any such options; and i'm not sure if i have the ipp url right, but i have it as ipp://x.x.x.x/printers/Name |
| 19:24.34 | stew | fcn: startx will read either .xinitrc or .xsession and display managers like xdm/kdm/gdm will read .xsession, i usually just symlink one to the other |
| 19:24.54 | fcn | stew: thanks |
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| 19:25.06 | dondelelcaro | dvs: it does, until you run gpg --export fookey|apt-key add -; |
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| 19:25.22 | zinosat | pureone, dondelelcaro thanx. still stuck but have to go now. be back tomorrow. |
| 19:25.31 | stew | Kernel-Kris: if you have to add a static route besides the defualt gateway, do it in an "up" line in interfaces |
| 19:25.34 | dvs | dondelelcaro: Oh? So it puts it there temporarily? |
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| 19:25.39 | dondelelcaro | dvs: yes. |
| 19:25.49 | dvs | dondelelcaro: alright. Good enough. Thanks |
| 19:25.51 | stew | Kernel-Kris: something like "up route add -net..." |
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| 19:26.30 | nlindblad | is micro-proxy capable of caching? |
| 19:26.31 | britt | snort seems pretty good. |
| 19:26.36 | Kernel-Kris | stew: do i need one for every route or would it be better to put them all in a script then call the script |
| 19:26.40 | nlindblad | or do I have to get squid to do that? |
| 19:26.42 | britt | for security intrusion detection. |
| 19:26.57 | pureone | its even better with bleeding edge rules ;) |
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| 19:27.07 | dondelelcaro | (temporarily in the sense that ~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg isn't the final resting place; of course, it doesn't delete the key) |
| 19:27.15 | dvs | yup |
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| 19:28.12 | P-K | whats the best way to automaticly have a daemon restart when it dies? |
| 19:28.16 | S4nD3r | where do I find ebooks to download free? |
| 19:28.25 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: gutenberg |
| 19:28.46 | JoAkKiNeN | S4nD3r, maththinking ;) |
| 19:29.11 | stew | Kernel-Kris: i don't think it makes a difference |
| 19:29.38 | Gashad | I did apt-get install x-window-system on a new debian stable install. It asked me to choose a display manager and I selected XDM. I want to switch over to GDM now... but I can't figure out how to do it. Some google searching suggested looking at some file in /etc/sysconfig/desktop, but my workstation doesn't have that directory. |
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| 19:30.02 | Kernel-Kris | stew: im kinda new to debain ive been on freebsd for a long time... were would i put a GRE interface up script |
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| 19:30.10 | stew | gpraske: apt-get install gdm xdm- |
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| 19:30.32 | gpraske | Hallo, ich halts nicht mehr aus, ich hab Probleme mit meinem PC , kann mir jemand helfen |
| 19:30.32 | shiyogun | can someone help me with installing java for knoppix ? |
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| 19:31.16 | dvs | shiyogun: #knoppix |
| 19:31.47 | stew | Kernel-Kris: i'm not familiar with gre, what sorts of things does the script do? |
| 19:32.14 | S4nD3r | really |
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| 19:32.23 | stew | Kernel-Kris: possibly read /etc/init.d/README /etc/init.d/skeleton and man update-rc.d ; but you might be able to handle it all via interfaces, i'm not sure |
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| 19:32.38 | Kernel-Kris | command is ip tunnel mode gre remote X.X.X.X local X.X.X.X tty 255 |
| 19:32.40 | bunj | Is there an easy way to disable the usual login prompt and to always login as user foo without prompting for username/password (the behavior should be as if the user just entered his username + password)? |
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| 19:32.55 | MrBallZ | hi |
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| 19:33.13 | Kernel-Kris | bunj: you have to sett a default gety and specify the username and password |
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| 19:33.38 | stew | Kernel-Kris: and you run that when you bring up the local interface named in local? |
| 19:33.54 | bunj | Kernel-Kris: Where can I configure this? |
| 19:34.03 | MrBallZ | question: When I mount a ntfs hdd in Sarge, as a normal user, it always says that it's not accesible, but allready mounted, only as root i can go into it ... how can I have every normal user be able to read a ntfs drive ... |
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| 19:34.32 | dvs | MrBallZ: Mount it with group "users"? |
| 19:34.33 | Gashad | I did apt-get install x-window-system on a new debian stable install. When prompted by apt, I set "xdm" as my default display manager. I now want to change that to "gdm". Does anyone know where this is done within debian? |
| 19:34.54 | dvs | Gashad: Did I answer that before? |
| 19:34.55 | MrBallZ | dvs: its being mounted as users ... |
| 19:35.02 | stew | Gashad: apt-get install gdm xdm- |
| 19:35.10 | dvs | MrBallZ: Set the group permissions for group read |
| 19:35.32 | marsje | when I do apt-get upgrade I get "W: GPG error: http://ftp.nl.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F". How do I fix this? |
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| 19:35.44 | stew | marsje: /topic |
| 19:35.45 | Zugschlus | marsje: see topic |
| 19:35.48 | MrBallZ | dvs: how do i do that, and is that for the NTFS filesystem ? |
| 19:35.54 | Gashad | dvs: Not for me... and I dont see it in my chat log |
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| 19:36.27 | dvs | Gashad: change /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 19:36.38 | dvs | MrBallZ: As an option of the mount command |
| 19:36.42 | gpraske | hallo, ich bin das erste Mal hier, kann mir jemand helfen |
| 19:36.44 | Gashad | ahhh.. thanks :) |
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| 19:37.11 | stew | !de |
| 19:37.12 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 19:37.21 | marsje | hmm :) |
| 19:37.26 | dvs | Gashad: You're welcome |
| 19:38.21 | zeballin3 | Help. New debian sid install. On gnomebaker: cdrecord: Operation not permitted. Cannot send SCSI cmd via ioctl |
| 19:38.32 | zeballin3 | What is the fix? |
| 19:38.33 | MrBallZ | dvs: i mount from kde, with KwikDisk, and its mostly usb external NTFS drives, and the fstab line i have is : auto defauls,users,noauto 0 0 |
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| 19:40.02 | dvs | MrBallZ: You have to add a gid=users,fmask=755,dmask=755 after noauto |
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| 19:41.15 | marsje | the FAQ is dead: IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device |
| 19:41.15 | MrBallZ | dvs: will this not break the mounting for fat32 or any other drive ? |
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| 19:41.19 | meyerbeer | holaa |
| 19:41.40 | dvs | MrBallZ: nope |
| 19:42.09 | Laibsch | Is it normal that Xorg should use > 110 M of real RAM (RES in top) after a day's worth of work but with nothing running but icewm and a shell? I don't think so but I guess this is too little to shoot a bug report. Xorg uses 218 Megs of VM on top of that! |
| 19:42.13 | stew | zeballin3: are you actually trying to use a scsi burner? or ide-scsi? what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:42.15 | kombinator | hello folks, question: I've just installed krn 2.6.15 and tried to use the ipw2200 module. If I load it by hand it works fine, but when it's loaded during boot by udev it fails because it need firmware, which resides in /use/lib/hotplug/firmware, which is unavailable at that time (before mounting /usr). What is the most correct fix for that? |
| 19:42.31 | P-K | ok I am going to to use restartd to restart a process that dies. Whats the command line option to have it start the process as another user? |
| 19:42.38 | MrBallZ | dvs: thanks =) I'll try ... |
| 19:42.40 | stew | Laibsch: its normal, /msg dpkg free memory |
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| 19:43.17 | stew | kombinator: but it in /lib/firmware |
| 19:43.22 | stew | ^but^put |
| 19:43.53 | Laibsch | stew: This machine only has 192MB of RAM and it becomes hardly usable if I were to start for example a FF session now. |
| 19:44.07 | Laibsch | I know that free RAM is wasted RAM. |
| 19:44.23 | Laibsch | But usage for Xorg will not go down if I start other processes. |
| 19:44.27 | marsje | I still seem to be missing a key: NO_PUBKEY CFF71CB3AFA44BDD |
| 19:44.30 | kombinator | stew: /lib/firmware or /lib/hotplug/firmware? (I have none of them) |
| 19:44.48 | dvs | Laibsch: Don't use Gnome or KDE |
| 19:44.54 | stew | kombinator: /lib/firmware ; iirc read /usr/share/doc/udev/NEWS.Debian or FAQ.gz |
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| 19:45.06 | stew | Laibsch: i dunno then |
| 19:45.18 | Laibsch | dvs: I wrote that I use icewm ;-) |
| 19:45.19 | kombinator | stew: oh, wait, I have /lib/firmware |
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| 19:47.37 | kombinator | stew: thanks, you are right. unfourtunately all the howtos I've seen are wrong |
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| 19:47.50 | stew | kombinator: this is a pretty recent change |
| 19:47.54 | ma3x | hi |
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| 19:48.05 | ma3x | when I burn something with k3b, I see lock icon on the files |
| 19:48.07 | ma3x | why is this showing? |
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| 19:48.28 | ma3x | I mean the files are in 755 mod, and yet when I add them to k3b it is showing lockup icons |
| 19:48.30 | ma3x | what's that for?/ |
| 19:48.39 | blondie | ma3x: because files on a CD are readonly? |
| 19:49.47 | ma3x | blondie, but then they are not readable on windows xp system |
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| 19:50.03 | dvs | ma3x: ntfs is read only |
| 19:50.10 | blondie | eh what |
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| 19:50.21 | blondie | ma3x: what aren't? |
| 19:50.35 | ma3x | blondie, I can't read the CD on windows xp. only under linux |
| 19:50.57 | ma3x | blondie, I burned the cd under linux, and now when I insert it on win machine, it shows up that there is nothing on the CD |
| 19:51.06 | blondie | o.O |
| 19:51.08 | blondie | what FS is it? |
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| 19:51.37 | Knorrie | rm: cannot remove `24242//dev/pts/1': Operation not permitted <- 'crashed' pbuilder-session |
| 19:51.39 | kino | I want to install firefox 1.5 how do I do that? |
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| 19:51.48 | kapi59ttp | hi all |
| 19:51.51 | ma3x | blondie, I see these checked: generate rockridge extensions, and joliet ext... |
| 19:51.57 | dvs | kino: that version of Debian are you running? |
| 19:52.05 | kapi59ttp | could anybody send me sources.list for debian unstable please? :S |
| 19:52.08 | kapi59ttp | i am in a hurry :( |
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| 19:52.10 | kino | dvs: stable |
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| 19:52.25 | kino | dvs: but I want the unstable packages |
| 19:52.27 | dvs | kino: you have to use backports |
| 19:52.45 | blondie | ma3x: when it's mounted, what does "mount" say the filesystem is? |
| 19:52.45 | ma3x | blondie, ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3 |
| 19:52.45 | ma3x | ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A |
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| 19:53.39 | kino | when are the apt packages updated? |
| 19:53.44 | blondie | hm |
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| 19:54.08 | dvs | kino: Firefox will never find it's way to sarge |
| 19:54.12 | marsje | is there a website about these public keys? |
| 19:54.16 | stew | kino: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 19:54.30 | stew | kino: you cannot safely mix unstable packages into a stable system without backporting them |
| 19:55.02 | kino | so when will the latest firefox be "stable" ? do I have to wait for next debian release? |
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| 19:55.15 | dvs | kino: Yes, or use backports |
| 19:55.23 | P-K | Is there a command I can put at the end of starting a process that will restart it when it dies? |
| 19:55.25 | ma3x | stew, I burned a few files with k3b. and windows says there is nothing on the CD. how is that possible? |
| 19:55.28 | mhall | how hard should one's system have to work to play a 1280x720 HD WMV3 video file? mplay and xine both drop frames on my 1533 mhz box |
| 19:55.34 | P-K | like a HUP or something ? |
| 19:55.57 | stew | ma3x: one of the two of them is lying |
| 19:56.04 | kino | so what about security issues |
| 19:56.13 | kino | surely there are security problems with the older firefoxes |
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| 19:56.26 | stew | kino: security fixes are backported to the stable version |
| 19:56.29 | MrBallZ | dvs: I tryed the parameters you gave me , and I still can't get the normal user to access the ntfs mounted partition, only root can access it ... |
| 19:56.30 | starfishy | mhall: check the output of mplayer, afaik there is a sound issue |
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| 19:56.37 | benjamindees | mhall, look into enabling xv |
| 19:56.39 | starfishy | that drives the cpu load up unreasonably |
| 19:56.46 | mhall | starfishy: tried -ao null |
| 19:56.54 | starfishy | ok |
| 19:56.54 | stew | kino: actually in the case of firefox, a new version was let in, the firefox in stable is actuall 1.0.6 with security patches |
| 19:57.00 | starfishy | then its not the sound issue |
| 19:57.16 | stew | kino: do you have a security.debian.org line in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 19:57.31 | Yobui | what's another way to look what's chewing up processing power? I'm having loads of 2.3 on my laptop with KDE and evolution and xmms and firefox... this is getting too unresponsive |
| 19:57.44 | mhall | Yobui: htop? |
| 19:57.50 | KimHansen | I have the 2006 keys issue with the installer, how do I add a new key to that? |
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| 19:57.54 | benjamindees | anybody able to watch msnbc.com video on Linux? |
| 19:58.04 | kino | stew: yes |
| 19:58.14 | stew | Yobui: top will show you processes sorted by cpu time, if its not obvios from that, its likely io, which you can see with "vmstat 2" |
| 19:58.35 | stew | kino: then you are getting newer versions of firefox with security patches |
| 19:58.40 | Yobui | I'm using top, but it shows no culprit |
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| 19:59.02 | stew | Yobui: run "vmstat 2" ignore the first line, and see if any of the si/so/bi/bo columns are non-zero |
| 19:59.08 | starfishy | yobui: does ps show any zombies? |
| 19:59.34 | pureone | benjamindees, you need to fake your user agent to be ie, |
| 19:59.35 | Yobui | yes, so, bi and bo are non zero |
| 19:59.46 | pureone | i hate it when sites do stuff like that |
| 19:59.50 | starfishy | so the system is swapping |
| 19:59.55 | pureone | like ie is the only web browser on earth |
| 20:00.09 | starfishy | how much memory does the notebook have? |
| 20:00.12 | stew | Yobui: then the culprit is likely disk access |
| 20:00.17 | Yobui | 512 megs |
| 20:00.22 | stew | starfishy: no si/so would be swapping |
| 20:00.36 | starfishy | stew: sorry, misread |
| 20:00.39 | starfishy | he only has so |
| 20:00.40 | stew | Yobui: are they large numbers or, say, under 20? |
| 20:00.40 | benjamindees | pureone, done, still asks for wmp 10 and flash 7 |
| 20:00.46 | stew | oh |
| 20:00.55 | myren | whats the freebsd filesystem? |
| 20:00.57 | Yobui | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.58 | pureone | get flash and the mozilla-mplayerplugin |
| 20:01.00 | Yobui | si so bi bo |
| 20:01.00 | stew | Yobui: oh i missed so, if you have so that means you are swapping |
| 20:01.01 | MrBallZ | dvs: i got it ... it fas 0222 instead of 755 |
| 20:01.04 | MrBallZ | =) |
| 20:01.25 | Yobui | si and so are almost 0 always |
| 20:01.25 | stew | Yobui: so means you are swapping pages out to disk, which means you are running short on real memory |
| 20:01.31 | pureone | it should work then. if it doesnt email the webdesigner ;) |
| 20:01.31 | Yobui | bi and bo are high, > 60 |
| 20:01.36 | benjamindees | pureone, I have flash and the mediaplayerconnectivity extension; does this actually work for you? |
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| 20:01.55 | pureone | benjamindees, no it doesnt work for me... it says flash isnt installed |
| 20:02.15 | starfishy | flash works just fine with firefox |
| 20:02.24 | starfishy | even though the installation is a PITA |
| 20:02.33 | raf256 | can I use some tool to check installed files |
| 20:02.39 | raf256 | do they match the files from .debs |
| 20:02.41 | pureone | even tho flash is installed... |
| 20:02.42 | kino | is anyone here using backports.org ?? should I do it? add it to sources.list |
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| 20:02.43 | raf256 | for security reasons? |
| 20:02.56 | benjamindees | raf256, debsums |
| 20:03.00 | raf256 | like trip wire but comparing no to own database but to informations from debian |
| 20:03.02 | starfishy | pureone: enter about:plugins in the url box |
| 20:03.08 | stew | starfishy: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:03.10 | starfishy | it should show flash if flash is there |
| 20:03.19 | stew | raf256: debsums |
| 20:03.20 | starfishy | stew: thanks, didnt know that |
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| 20:03.29 | raf256 | that kicks ass! |
| 20:03.31 | benjamindees | kino, yeah backports is nice, but don't use more than a few packages |
| 20:03.34 | raf256 | debian rules once again \o/ |
| 20:04.04 | raf256 | can I use it to check other file system like /mnt/otherdebian/ /mnt/otherdebian/bin and so on? |
| 20:04.04 | benjamindees | once and always |
| 20:04.16 | pureone | starfishy, flash is enabled |
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| 20:04.23 | stew | raf256: of course if you are worried about maliciousness then you shouldn't trust the sums on that box, you should get them from /var/lib/dpkg/info/ on a trusted box |
| 20:04.31 | kino | I miss the fbsd ports tree :( |
| 20:04.34 | Yobui | stew sorting top by memory doesn't show a direct culprit also... |
| 20:04.45 | Yobui | what's weird is that last week it wasn't behaving like this |
| 20:05.29 | pureone | they do some very poor checking of plugins |
| 20:06.08 | raf256 | # debsums -l aee arping bin86 cfdisk-utf8 console-data |
| 20:06.10 | raf256 | wtf> |
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| 20:06.27 | raf256 | why thoes dont have sums? |
| 20:06.31 | starfishy | stew: cool, that works |
| 20:06.38 | ice_1963 | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE why ? |
| 20:06.40 | starfishy | (flashplugin-nonfree) |
| 20:06.51 | starfishy | ice: did you add the key for the repository to your keyring? |
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| 20:07.16 | raf256 | !topicsmite ice_1963 |
| 20:07.16 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ice_1963. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:07.39 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 20:07.52 | Kernel-Kris | is there anyway to convert a ufs drive to ext3 without loosing the data....because i cant mount a ufs drive (UFS is read-only) |
| 20:07.53 | ice_1963 | thts good |
| 20:08.17 | Kernel-Kris | im trying to mount a FreeBSD drive on debain |
| 20:08.40 | vb_coder | i have edited the file /etc/network/interfaces to use dhcp in debian. how do i enable the internet with dhcp? |
| 20:08.43 | starfishy | Kris: the only way I know of is adding a partition and copying the data |
| 20:08.47 | benjamindees | Kernel-Kris, make a new partition, copy the data |
| 20:08.48 | Yobui | hmmm, it seems evolution with too many messages ate up all my memory... which graphical email client do you recommend, which is able to work with inboxes of > 3000 messages? |
| 20:09.01 | starfishy | to the best of my knowledge there is no UFS->ext3 conversion tool |
| 20:09.07 | benjamindees | Yobui, thunderbird is best for that |
| 20:09.17 | dusty_ | Hey guys I have just installed debian 3.1 r1, and install xfree86 and configured it via dpkg-reconfigure etc, when i login to gnome, i get presented with an error saying: "Error activating XKB Configuration. Probably internal X server problem, list some more details.." Then says There are known problems with complex XKB confiurations try using a simpler config or a newer versioon of XFREE86?? What should i do, how can i get rid of that error |
| 20:09.18 | dusty_ | message? |
| 20:09.37 | Kernel-Kris | well how do i get UFS to mount Read and Write......as it says its only compiled to mount read |
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| 20:10.28 | benjamindees | Yobui, I have >5000 messages open right now and it uses 32 megs of ram |
| 20:10.49 | ice_1963 | you can not install that key that way i tryed |
| 20:10.50 | Yobui | in t-bird? |
| 20:10.50 | FallOnMe | Kernel-Kris: you don't want to do that, as ufs write support is not very good. Use the plain-and-stupid copy/reformat/copy-back routine. |
| 20:10.59 | benjamindees | Yobui, yes |
| 20:11.10 | Yobui | benjamindees will try it then |
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| 20:11.18 | Yobui | is there a conversion tool? |
| 20:11.24 | Yobui | from evolution to t-bird? |
| 20:11.25 | Kernel-Kris | benjamindees: but i cant even get it to mount RO becuase it gives the error |
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| 20:13.07 | vb_coder | i have edited the file /etc/network/interfaces to use dhcp in debian. how do i enable the internet with dhcp? |
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| 20:13.24 | dusty_ | Anyone? |
| 20:13.30 | Yobui | vb_coder what do you mean? |
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| 20:13.45 | vb_coder | activate it |
| 20:13.46 | Yobui | vb_coder if you set up interfaces file right, you just do /etc/init.d/networking [re]start |
| 20:13.47 | KimHansen | Is there a 1CD isoimage of unstable with all the base-packages on it? |
| 20:13.57 | acehunky | vb_coder: /etc/init.d/network restart ... |
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| 20:14.14 | Kernel-Kris | benjamindees: no i get ufs_read_super: bad magic number |
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| 20:14.54 | xachen | When I go to install gcc-3.4 using apt-get |
| 20:14.56 | xyba | hello, how can i compile pine with mbox-driver support? |
| 20:15.03 | xachen | I get this error: dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `sasl' in statusoverride file |
| 20:15.07 | xachen | Any suggestions? |
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| 20:16.16 | merakk | --help |
| 20:16.28 | resiak | !pine |
| 20:16.28 | dpkg | pine: a non-DFSG-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include elm, mutt, spruce, sylpheed, balsa, and many other FREE readers. binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To get pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about "nano", or there MAY be additional help in #pine |
| 20:17.08 | benjamindees | Kernel-Kris, I can't help with that... |
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| 20:17.20 | Kernel-Kris | benjamindees: well thanks anyway |
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| 20:18.01 | myren | is there any way to upgrade from reiser3 to reiser4? |
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| 20:18.22 | Kernel-Kris | myren: dont know |
| 20:18.42 | britt | myren: why? |
| 20:18.53 | dondelelcaro | there are, but I've no idea if there's a way to do so without reformatting. |
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| 20:19.21 | myren | prmopted by the pathetic ass slashdot filesystem benchmark II, i ran some benches and am convinced my laptop would be much faster for the upgrade |
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| 20:22.31 | dusty_ | Hey guys I have just installed debian 3.1 r1, and install xfree86 and configured it via dpkg-reconfigure etc, when i login to gnome, i get presented with an error saying: "Error activating XKB Configuration. Probably internal X server problem, list some more details.." Then says There are known problems with complex XKB confiurations try using a simpler config or a newer versioon of XFREE86?? What should i do, how can i get rid of that error |
| 20:22.31 | dusty_ | message? |
| 20:22.38 | britt | isnt RFS prone to corruption |
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| 20:24.52 | martin_ | What it is a good media player for linux that can have a media library list as in winamp or itunes? |
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| 20:25.42 | Knorrie | hi, is there a way to restore a sarge system where the /dev directory has been deleted (ouch) |
| 20:26.03 | kino | anyone know how to get adblock installed with debian's firefox? |
| 20:26.06 | Knorrie | or only by reinstalling the os? |
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| 20:28.02 | jdhutchin1 | kino, you install it as you would normally, go to the firefox extensions page, and install it |
| 20:28.17 | kino | doesn't work, chrome registration error |
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| 20:28.38 | starfishy | kino: did you just upgrade firefox? |
| 20:29.05 | starfishy | sounds like your chrome is from an old version of firefox |
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| 20:31.42 | kino | I moved my .mozilla and tried to install it |
| 20:31.56 | thetallcoolone | another basic question, what is considered as the startup directory in Linux? |
| 20:31.56 | kino | still broken with firefox 1.0.4-2sarge |
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| 20:32.28 | SimonRaven | thetallcoolone: start up directory? |
| 20:32.31 | benjamindees | thetallcoolone, you'll have to be more specific |
| 20:32.44 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 20:32.46 | Vince34 | thetallcoolone, it depends of yur user , and the genrally one is / |
| 20:32.46 | benjamindees | thetallcoolone, there are at least five of them |
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| 20:33.45 | thetallcoolone | Guys, I'm installing the NO-IP client in my Linux box and it asks me to put a script in my startup directory |
| 20:33.53 | Vince34 | start up directory of user roller is /home/roller |
| 20:34.17 | benjamindees | Vince34, ? |
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| 20:34.32 | Vince34 | benjamindees, ? |
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| 20:35.15 | thetallcoolone | Vince34, so if I put a script in my /home/user directory it will be run at boot up? |
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| 20:35.47 | Vince34 | thetallcoolone, mmm nope , not so simple |
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| 20:36.33 | Vince34 | which script are you talking about thetallcoolone |
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| 20:36.58 | Vince34 | aw sorry |
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| 20:37.30 | benjamindees | holy crap, yahoo *requires* an "upgrade" from firefox to IE/netscape to view videos :-/ |
| 20:38.07 | resiak | benjamindees: Please write to them. |
| 20:38.17 | thetallcoolone | Vince34, it's a little script to run the no-ip client at boot up |
| 20:38.24 | Vince34 | thetallcoolone, for yur problem , it must be yur /home/user i think yes |
| 20:38.54 | mhall | Can somebody do me a favor and try to access mhcomputing.net? |
| 20:38.57 | mhall | benjamindees: assholes |
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| 20:39.09 | mhall | benjamindees: did you try the kaffeine media plugin? usu. works for me |
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| 20:39.16 | mhall | benjamindees: also try user agent switcher |
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| 20:39.36 | thetallcoolone | Vince34: thanks |
| 20:39.36 | blondie | mhall: it's slow |
| 20:39.43 | benjamindees | yeah, netscape 4.7 useragent works |
| 20:39.44 | mhall | blondie: but it works? good |
| 20:39.54 | mhall | benjamindees: haha beatin the system |
| 20:40.03 | SimonRaven | good fucking reason to stay away from them. here's another |
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| 20:40.21 | mhall | blondie: something really bizarre was going on for a while |
| 20:40.27 | mfrisch | How do you change the default keymap? I did a new install and none of the keys work. |
| 20:41.13 | benjamindees | mhall, you use kaffeine in konqueror? |
| 20:41.28 | blondie | mhall: alien visitations? |
| 20:41.33 | meyerbeer | is it safe to use experimental? are there lots of things broken? |
| 20:42.07 | SimonRaven | http://www.google.com/search?q=yahoo+helped+jail+china+writer&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
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| 20:42.21 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/bin/view/Blog/BlogEntry49 |
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| 20:43.22 | benjamindees | meyerbeer, probably broken |
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| 20:44.33 | TwistedLappy | deadcat_: My monitors broken :P When I power it it makes like 3-4 LOUD ass clicks and doesnt show anything... |
| 20:44.36 | thetallcoolone | Vince34: I just read a bit more in the readme file and they're talking about the /etc/init.d ir the /sbin/init.d Could either be the startup directory they,re talking about? and if so, whick one is the proper one in debian? |
| 20:45.13 | WiFiTux | I just upgraded from Sid and when I rebooted I got a message saying that If i wanted to make my configuration to a Gconf beacuse it would be faster. Since then, I can no longer login. |
| 20:45.16 | benjamindees | meyerbeer, I don't think you're really supposed to *use* experimental, just use packages from there in unstable, but I could be wrong |
| 20:45.28 | SimonRaven | benjamindees: correct |
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| 20:45.51 | Vince34 | aw thetallcoolone , may be i induce yu in error |
| 20:46.04 | TwistedLappy | i thought experimental and unstable were basicallt the same thing |
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| 20:46.11 | SimonRaven | no |
| 20:46.12 | ribnitz | hello people. |
| 20:46.12 | benjamindees | can anybody give me some more sites with embedded video? msn, mtv, yahoo, cnn? |
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| 20:46.31 | ribnitz | benjamindees: bbcworldservice(.com) |
| 20:46.38 | Eno_ | benjamindees: www.apple.com quicktime trailiers |
| 20:47.03 | meyerbeer | benjamindees: how can i do that? if i replace unstable with experimental in sources.list and do then dist-upgrade then i get all the packes from experimental or not? |
| 20:47.03 | zeballin3 | Is there a way to have debian do an auto-unmount of a cd when Konqueror is closed, like Mepis does? Is this a kernel patch... or a KDE setting? With Debian I have to manually unmount. Can't pop out cd unless I do. |
| 20:47.03 | Vince34 | i don't know thetallcoolone , /etc/init.d , same on debian |
| 20:47.07 | SimonRaven | meyerbeer: you Don't Do That |
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| 20:47.17 | ribnitz | How do I tell my alsa to load snd-cmipci before loading snd-azx? |
| 20:47.24 | thetallcoolone | Vince34: no probs. So much different configs possible, it's very confusing. |
| 20:47.37 | SimonRaven | ribnitz: /etc/modules |
| 20:47.42 | benjamindees | !tell meyerbeer about experimental |
| 20:47.45 | Eno_ | meyerbeer: There aren't enough packages in experimental for your whole system, iirc. Just mix them. |
| 20:47.50 | quasisane | meyerbeer: don't do that. if you must, and you probably shouldn't, you add experimental apt source lines in addition to your unstable ones |
| 20:47.51 | Vince34 | thetallcoolone, and yes , scripts in /etc/init.d/ are started at boot time |
| 20:48.09 | thetallcoolone | vince34: thanks, I'll try this. |
| 20:48.17 | vb_code1 | my screen in debian looks very bad i just installed debian http://www.geocities.com/fakie_flip2000/Debian.JPG |
| 20:48.25 | meyerbeer | so what is the best way to install packages from experimental? manually downloading and then dpkg -i ? |
| 20:48.34 | ribnitz | SimonRaven: should I get rid of the auto then? |
| 20:48.36 | benjamindees | meyerbeer, add APT::Default-Release "unstable"; to apt.conf |
| 20:48.40 | mfrisch | What file in Debian controls the keyboard layout used??? |
| 20:48.43 | streuner | meyerbeer: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 20:48.43 | SimonRaven | experimental is upstream stuff with experimental packaging, often using upstream bleeding edge stuff. it's likely to break, more so then sid. |
| 20:48.55 | vb_code1 | what can i do to fix it i did not know the anwsers to the questions from dpkg-reconfigure xserver |
| 20:48.59 | benjamindees | mfrisch, just curious, but are you referring to X or console? |
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| 20:49.16 | streuner | unstable called unstable and experimental is > unstable, Have fun |
| 20:49.28 | vb_code1 | http://www.geocities.com/fakie_flip2000/Synaptic.JPG |
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| 20:49.33 | quasisane | meyerbeer: when you want to install a package from experimental you use the '-t experimental' option to apt-get. |
| 20:49.36 | common | works like a charme |
| 20:49.47 | quasisane | meyerbeer: and pray very hard. |
| 20:50.01 | mfrisch | benjamindees: console first then X. It is a new install and no keys are working. Sarge AMD64. \ |
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| 20:50.23 | Vince34 | thetallcoolone, yu can activate or not those script in /etc/init.d/ with : sysv-rc-conf , if installed , but if yur install program doesn't put the script there automatically , yu have to put it yurself |
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| 20:50.31 | quitte | where are the programming manpages for libdb? |
| 20:50.53 | meyerbeer | benjamindees: where is apt.conf supposed to be? i have only like /etc/apt/apt.conf.d which is a dir |
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| 20:52.41 | tuv | i wrote a shell script that downgrades unstable packages to testing, if anyone is interested |
| 20:53.09 | benjamindees | meyerbeer, /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 20:53.11 | tuv | it downgrades unstable packages that are available in testing only |
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| 20:53.42 | djp | would i compromise my debian install by using packages that are placed in contrib? i do not like to use any packages that are part of non-free, but was unsure as to the position with regards contrib packages. i basically want to maintain a gnu/linux distro and not compromise it. |
| 20:53.45 | ralfWORK | hrm |
| 20:53.47 | zaiyon | hi, just about to buy a new mainboard, ULi chip. just wanted to ask if there are fine linux drivers for them |
| 20:53.53 | ralfWORK | there are no debian zork packages |
| 20:54.06 | _rene_ | djp: well, packages are in contrib for a reason... |
| 20:54.22 | _rene_ | djp: either because they need non-free shit on runtime or on build-time |
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| 20:55.11 | raf256 | debsums reports: /usr/sbin/sa FAILED is that mean Im owned? |
| 20:55.17 | zaiyon | I had good experiences with nforce, and afaik uli belongs to nvidia now |
| 20:55.22 | djp | _rene_, the package in question is zsnes, the snes emulator. it is licensed (the emulator) as gpl, however i gather because it could be used to run restricted roms, that is why it is included in contrib. |
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| 20:56.38 | djp | _rene_, thanks for the advice. i gather it would be having any restricted roms on my system that would be the issue then, and not so much the emulator itself... |
| 20:56.51 | _rene_ | djp: ricght. it needs non-free shit on runtime |
| 20:56.57 | _rene_ | djp: (the games) |
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| 20:57.50 | valdyn | !find usr/sbin/sa |
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| 20:57.54 | raf256[laptop] | well? |
| 20:58.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/sbin/sa' (8 of 10): (/usr/sbin/sa) in admin/acct ;; (/usr/sbin/sarg-maint) in web/sarg ;; (/usr/sbin/safe_finger) in net/tcpd ;; (/usr/sbin/samhain) in admin/samhain ;; (/usr/sbin/savedump) in admin/dumputils ;; (/usr/sbin/saned) in graphics/sane-utils ;; (/usr/sbin/safe_asterisk) in comm/asterisk ;; (/usr/sbin/savecore-lyskom) in net/lyskom-server. |
| 20:58.04 | linuxddr | hi ! |
| 20:58.07 | raf256[laptop] | valdyn: it is part of acct |
| 20:58.13 | linuxddr | nedding help |
| 20:58.15 | raf256[laptop] | valdyn: Im reinstalling it |
| 20:58.23 | raf256[laptop] | linuxddr: ask the question |
| 20:58.24 | linuxddr | cause ive got a p1 133 mhz 128 of ram |
| 20:58.30 | linuxddr | i tryed install debian |
| 20:58.33 | linuxddr | working |
| 20:58.51 | linuxddr | but when xfree and my gnu |
| 20:58.53 | Knorrie | can i use MAKEDEV to repair a b0rk3d /dev directory on a system that won't boot anymore? |
| 20:58.54 | valdyn | !tell linuxddr -about ask |
| 20:58.59 | linuxddr | o ok |
| 20:58.59 | valdyn | !tell linuxddr -about enter |
| 20:59.46 | _keroppi_ | :q |
| 20:59.50 | raf256 | valdyn: there are quite few packages that failed |
| 20:59.52 | _keroppi_ | haha, oops |
| 20:59.53 | valdyn | Knorrie: why would you need a proper /dev directory to boot debian? |
| 20:59.55 | _keroppi_ | :q |
| 20:59.58 | raf256 | valdyn: I wonder what the fuck does that mean? |
| 21:00.04 | raf256 | valdyn: is my system beeing 0wned or what |
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| 21:00.22 | starfishy | whats is the error message on boot, knorrie? |
| 21:00.24 | Knorrie | valdyn: erm, i accidentally rm-ed a /dev directory on a host |
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| 21:00.38 | Luka666 | ellow |
| 21:00.40 | linuxddr | !tell linuxddr -about i installed debian on my pentium 1 133 mhz 128 of ram and install sucessfull but when its time to boot the xfree server and my gnu show a black screen after 5 second i got cammand key and i flashing _ how do i can get my gnu woking and my xfree ? |
| 21:00.55 | valdyn | Knorrie: on a host that is not using udev? |
| 21:00.58 | Knorrie | starfishy: well, the console is some kms away from here, till monday morning i can't access the box |
| 21:00.59 | starfishy | knorrie: if you are using neither udev nor devfs you can use MAKEDEV to make the devicenodes |
| 21:01.12 | Knorrie | starfishy: itÅ›'s sarge 2.6.8 |
| 21:01.43 | valdyn | !drxx linuxddr |
| 21:01.43 | dpkg | linuxddr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:01.45 | Knorrie | so i have to boot some kind of rescue cd and run makedev |
| 21:01.46 | Luka666 | i just got a promotional 128mb usb key and i was thinking about using it for a portable desktop. the only problem is, that i dont know how. any tips? |
| 21:01.47 | starfishy | i havent run sarge in a very long time but I suppose udev should be in the current sarge distro |
| 21:01.59 | linuxddr | ok |
| 21:02.14 | valdyn | raf256: i doubt you are 'owned' |
| 21:02.19 | starfishy | luka: the easiest way is probably to use a distro specifically made for this |
| 21:02.21 | benjamindees | yes it is, I think you need kernel 2.6 |
| 21:02.26 | valdyn | raf256: i cant tell you why debsums failed |
| 21:02.33 | raf256 | valdyn: so the maintainers fucked up or what? |
| 21:02.35 | raf256 | valdyn: why? |
| 21:02.40 | starfishy | creating a debian install that works from a memory key is not that easy |
| 21:02.44 | Knorrie | starfishy: i have a similar system accessible, can i find out there what sort of dev is used? |
| 21:02.46 | raf256 | oh, cant, sorry |
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| 21:03.01 | raf256 | valdyn: coul you be so kind and run debsums -c on your box? |
| 21:03.08 | raf256 | and other users perhaps as well |
| 21:03.14 | ribnitz | I think even booting form usb might be tricky |
| 21:03.16 | raf256 | epscially using debian unstable as myself |
| 21:03.27 | djp | _rene_, thanks. would having roms on my system be seen as a compromise to the validity of my os as a gnu/linux system then? taking that view, it would also mean that by having say, any form of multimedia, say, a video or audio file could be seen as having a non-free file on my machine. have i got that correct? |
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| 21:03.51 | Luka666 | starfishy: i checked google for it, but id like to add a twist to that. since here i have many older computers that dont support usb booting, i would burn a mini cd with the system on it and it would use the usb key for files that change |
| 21:03.55 | abrotman | !moo |
| 21:03.55 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 21:03.56 | starfishy | check whether the udev package is installed |
| 21:04.29 | starfishy | luka: does it have to be mini? |
| 21:04.41 | abrotman | raf256: i forgot to read that thread |
| 21:04.46 | starfishy | the usage you are proposing sounds like a prime case for (debian based) Knoppix or Kanotix |
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| 21:05.00 | Luka666 | starfishy: i would be happier if it would be mini, because its smaller :> |
| 21:05.01 | Knorrie | starfishy: no, no package or files like udev on the system |
| 21:05.12 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: no problem, perhaps tommorow, btw could you run debsums and report are there any FAILED packages? |
| 21:05.16 | valdyn | raf256: no FAILED so far |
| 21:05.22 | starfishy | Knorrie, then its probably safe to MAKEDEV |
| 21:05.27 | benjamindees | ah, I see why video wasn't working, needed to add application/x-mplayer2 mimetype |
| 21:05.27 | raf256[laptop] | everyone please run debsums \o/ |
| 21:05.32 | abrotman | raf256: that was mildly vague ... since you forogot mention a verseion of debian :) |
| 21:05.39 | raf256[laptop] | valdyn: damn. which debian? Im on unstable i386 |
| 21:05.41 | abrotman | !spellingsmite me |
| 21:05.43 | starfishy | if the system doesnt boot, you might want to boot from a CD |
| 21:05.51 | simonrvn | like i was saying before getting rudely interrupted by my isp... |
| 21:05.58 | simonrvn | ribnitz: but yeh, do so, just to remove duplication of effort |
| 21:06.03 | simonrvn | s/then/than/ |
| 21:06.17 | abrotman | hah! .. the vowelless one has returned! |
| 21:06.24 | valdyn | raf256[laptop]: my wild mix of sid,experimental, my own custom amd64 packages |
| 21:06.34 | blondie | vowelless? are they welsh? |
| 21:06.34 | raf256[laptop] | valdyn: damn |
| 21:06.45 | Knorrie | starfishy: yeah, and then cd /b0rk3dsystem/dev/ and do a /b0rk3dsystem/foo/MAKEDEV -v generic? |
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| 21:07.08 | Knorrie | s/foo/sbin/ |
| 21:07.18 | starfishy | Knorrie: yup |
| 21:07.23 | starfishy | or switch to udev |
| 21:07.24 | _rene_ | djp: well, it's what you think it is. |
| 21:07.28 | starfishy | which is what I would do |
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| 21:07.43 | dusty_ | Hey guys I have just installed debian 3.1 r1, and install xfree86 and configured it via dpkg-reconfigure etc, when i login to gnome, i get presented with an error saying: "Error activating XKB Configuration. Probably internal X server problem, list some more details.." Then says There are known problems with complex XKB confiurations try using a simpler config or a newer versioon of XFREE86?? What should i do, how can i get rid of that error |
| 21:07.43 | dusty_ | message? |
| 21:07.46 | dusty_ | Anyone? |
| 21:08.12 | blondie | I'd prefer a massage please |
| 21:08.35 | simonrvn | !msg me |
| 21:08.35 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg simonrvn. |
| 21:08.39 | raf256 | valdyn: can you (or anyone) give me an email adress? |
| 21:08.48 | raf256 | valdyn: I need to dump some logs to someone else then myself |
| 21:08.50 | Knorrie | starfishy: it's kernel 2.6.8-2-686, i'll rtfm about udev, but primarily i want that machine running again monday |
| 21:08.53 | Knorrie | starfishy: thanks |
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| 21:09.33 | djp | hi. i was chatting ealier here about a couple of packages that may or may not have been non-free. i have since discovered that under debian, one is available within their contrib packages, the other is non-free. the package in the contrib list, is zsnes, which is licensed under the gpl. my question is this. if i install the package, it will not compromise my gnu/linux system. however if i run a rom with the program (have restricted |
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| 21:09.38 | starfishy | Knorrie: you are welcome |
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| 21:10.02 | AnonymousHive | I've downloaded the kernel and headers for 2.6 (Just finished reinstallind debian, upgrading to the 2.6 kernel) Now, how do I compile it? |
| 21:10.07 | djp | sorry _rene_, apologies for that last post. and to everyone else... |
| 21:10.08 | AnonymousHive | kernel image** |
| 21:10.17 | blondie | AnonymousHive: why do you want to compile it? |
| 21:10.25 | blondie | just apt-get install a kernel |
| 21:10.35 | AnonymousHive | blondie: Just apt-get install on a kernel works? |
| 21:10.42 | ribnitz | has -14 been fixed yet? |
| 21:10.45 | blondie | AnonymousHive: yes |
| 21:10.48 | AnonymousHive | Ok |
| 21:10.50 | raf256 | valdyn: email? |
| 21:10.53 | Fluten | i did the nvidia one-liner, and the nvidia driver worked and allowed me to start x and use opengl apps. i used it for a day and then shut down my machine. when i turned it back on, x will no longer start with the nvidia module |
| 21:10.59 | blondie | AnonymousHive: apt-cache search "kernel-image" |
| 21:11.09 | raf256 | hi |
| 21:11.24 | Fluten | what could be causing the module to no longer load just by rebooting? |
| 21:11.39 | AnonymousHive | Anyone know what processor class the AMD Duron is under? AMD K7? |
| 21:11.45 | blondie | yes, K7 |
| 21:11.47 | benjamindees | yes |
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| 21:11.59 | _rene_ | personally, I think avoiding all kinds of videos is not necessary but non-free software should be avoided when possible |
| 21:12.09 | odla | i am trying to use a usb game controller...a saitek p990 |
| 21:12.17 | odla | do i need some special software installed to use it? |
| 21:12.17 | _rene_ | including non-free firmware, binary-only drivers etc |
| 21:12.18 | raf256 | abrotman: priv |
| 21:12.28 | odla | i'm trying to use it with xmame, fceu, and snes9x |
| 21:12.29 | abrotman | raf256: huh ? |
| 21:12.37 | raf256 | abrotman: read my PM |
| 21:12.45 | odla | sadly it works out of the box on my buddies ubuntu |
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| 21:12.56 | odla | it's recognized by dmesg |
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| 21:13.08 | TobiX | Hi |
| 21:13.18 | TobiX | Is a kernel lock up a critical bug? |
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| 21:13.52 | valdyn | TobiX: for debian or for the kernel? |
| 21:14.10 | valdyn | TobiX: either way most likely no |
| 21:14.15 | AnonymousHive | Ok, now I need to symlink my kernel source to /usr/src/linux for the nvidia driver installation. Anyone know the command for that? *isn't familiar with the ln syntax* |
| 21:14.29 | benjamindees | _rene_, from a marketing standpoint, there is a view among users that Linux and alternative operating systems are incapable in areas like online video. the best way to negate that view is to demonstrate capability. |
| 21:14.30 | TobiX | valdyn: I want to report a bug to Debian and don't want to make the severity to high ;) |
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| 21:14.33 | valdyn | AnonymousHive: the manpage knows |
| 21:14.37 | odla | sorry x froze on me |
| 21:14.44 | AnonymousHive | valdyn: But I'm lazy, and noobs don't like documentation |
| 21:14.44 | AnonymousHive | lol |
| 21:14.47 | AnonymousHive | very well |
| 21:14.47 | valdyn | TobiX: there's descriptions for each severity |
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| 21:14.57 | odla | anyone have any ideas? |
| 21:15.02 | valdyn | AnonymousHive: im to lazy to tell you |
| 21:15.13 | TobiX | AnonymousHive: Try module-assistant and skip the whole manual command line stuff ;) |
| 21:15.20 | benjamindees | and we have only a small window of opportunity in which to do so until DRM is widespread and mandatory |
| 21:15.35 | AnonymousHive | debian:/home/seraph# module-assistant |
| 21:15.36 | AnonymousHive | bash: module-assistant: command not found |
| 21:15.47 | valdyn | !installit |
| 21:15.47 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 21:15.56 | TobiX | valdyn: It cased severe data losss the time I first encountered it ;) |
| 21:16.10 | Mayhem | random apps have started segfaulting on my etch box :( |
| 21:16.11 | AnonymousHive | valdyn: Just making sure it was that it wasn't installed, and that I didn't just type it incorrectly =P |
| 21:16.16 | valdyn | TobiX: yea, any crash can do that, doesnt mean it qualifies for critical bug |
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| 21:16.40 | odla | do i need to load some module? |
| 21:16.40 | valdyn | TobiX: a critical bug is iirc something like severe policy violation or making the package unusuable |
| 21:16.55 | _rene_ | benjamindees: didn't say otherwise. read again |
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| 21:17.15 | meyerbeer | in which package is gnomeConf.sh? |
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| 21:17.28 | valdyn | TobiX: or from a different perspective, EVERY kernel ever made has bugs that may cause data loss, still there has been debian releases |
| 21:17.29 | _rene_ | benjamindees: except when you need non-free shit to play those videos, then you understand me right, then the format is shit (and the software anyway because it's non-free) |
| 21:17.30 | TobiX | Anyone else already tried to use a joystick with kernel 2.6.15? |
| 21:17.42 | meyerbeer | i have unfortunately no apt-file installed and packages.debian.org doesnt seem to work |
| 21:18.07 | TobiX | valdyn: True, so I use some not so high severity... |
| 21:18.29 | starfishy | Tobix: I get to try that tonight |
| 21:18.32 | odla | do i need to mount the controller? |
| 21:18.37 | starfishy | i got my yoke and pedals yesterday |
| 21:18.37 | benjamindees | _rene_, I'm saying it's necessary to temporarily increase the use of non-free "shit" because it's the only thing available, and if we don't, it will continue to be the only thing available. |
| 21:18.44 | starfishy | so im gonna do some virtual flying tonight |
| 21:18.50 | TobiX | It's a bit nasty if you can crash the kernel only by accessing the Joystick device... |
| 21:19.01 | AnonymousHive | ummm... is there a listing of all of the usual extra debian repos anywhere? |
| 21:19.19 | meyerbeer | AnonymousHive: apt-get.org |
| 21:19.23 | AnonymousHive | thanks |
| 21:19.26 | simonrvn | !mirrors |
| 21:19.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 21:19.30 | meyerbeer | no problem |
| 21:19.47 | thingfish | meyerbeer: you might try /msg dpkg find gnomeConf.sh |
| 21:19.54 | meyerbeer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.10 | meyerbeer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:20.19 | simonrvn | without the space |
| 21:20.24 | meyerbeer | sorry :) |
| 21:20.48 | simonrvn | np, just don't do that when you're authing to nickserv ;) |
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| 21:21.43 | paulo | *bl |
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| 21:22.38 | ThetaWave | Can anyone tell me why my DHCP server is logging, "Can't update forward map", when it tries to update my name server? I had this working on MacOS X, and used those config files as a basis, but now I can't get it to work! |
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| 21:23.12 | benjamindees | _rene_, many linux users started out using mozilla on windows, still recognizing that windows sucked because it was non-free |
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| 21:23.53 | zinx | mozilla didn't exist when i started using linux /o\ |
| 21:23.56 | odla | it's a usb game controller |
| 21:23.58 | benjamindees | this bbc video is disappointing, says "Real video is not available for your operating system" |
| 21:24.02 | meneg | can we check what cpu load a module uses? |
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| 21:24.27 | benjamindees | zinx, excepting of course those of you who started out on minix :p |
| 21:24.30 | meneg | e.g. alsa for dmix |
| 21:24.37 | remyforbes777__ | mhall: any progress on the broadcom project? |
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| 21:24.53 | quitte | doesnt libdb have any manpages? |
| 21:24.54 | zinx | benjamindees: mozilla is a relatively new development, if you don't consider the old "netscape" to be mozilla anyway |
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| 21:25.01 | ThetaWave | The DHCP server is giving a couple of reasons. One is "'name not in use", but the other is, "'RRset exists (value dependent)". Isn't that a contradiction? |
| 21:25.55 | zinx | benjamindees: also, try mozilla-helix-player |
| 21:26.13 | zinx | benjamindees: it *might* make it play the real video content |
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| 21:27.24 | zeballin3 | On fstab, what is 'udf' ??? |
| 21:27.35 | resiak | !udf |
| 21:27.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, udf is at http://www.trylinux.com/projects/udf/index.html, or with tools at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/udf/tools/?cvsroot=linux-udf, or apt-get install udftools |
| 21:27.36 | zinx | zeballin3: udf |
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| 21:28.29 | Mayhem | anyone good at explaining segfaults? gdm and vim have started dying immediately. |
| 21:28.44 | valdyn | mentor: its tiny on modern cpus |
| 21:28.48 | zeballin3 | " at http://www.trylinux.com/projects/udf/index.html" is bogus. |
| 21:29.01 | valdyn | mentor: i also doubt that dmix is done in kernel |
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| 21:29.04 | blondie | Mayhem: low on resources? |
| 21:29.06 | starfishy | mayhem: try to strace them |
| 21:29.16 | sifi-x | Mayhem, what is segfaults? |
| 21:29.19 | Mayhem | blondie, what kind of resources, hd? |
| 21:29.19 | raf256 | can debsums query repository (as apt-get does) for missing headers? |
| 21:29.24 | valdyn | mentor: ops |
| 21:29.26 | zinx | zeballin3: http://www.google.com/search?q=UDF |
| 21:29.26 | blondie | Mayhem: ram mainly |
| 21:29.29 | starfishy | strace -f `which vim` |
| 21:29.41 | raf256 | Mayhem: df -h, top, mem usage |
| 21:29.47 | raf256 | Mayhem: check dmesg |
| 21:29.47 | Gathond | Mayhem: segmentation fault it the program attempting to access memory its not allowed to |
| 21:29.53 | eeyore- | yeah, running out of sheeps will do that |
| 21:29.59 | starfishy | not specifically memory but an address range |
| 21:30.17 | Mayhem | let me paste this strace output somewhere... |
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| 21:30.28 | phyberoptix | other than the php4-mysql mod is there any thing else i need to install to connect mysql to php? |
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| 21:30.51 | eeyore- | phyberoptix: sure, mysql_connect() |
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| 21:31.04 | phyberoptix | ? |
| 21:31.06 | Mayhem | blondie, got 1GB with less than half used |
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| 21:31.16 | blondie | umm try the strace thing |
| 21:31.25 | dusty_ | Anyone? |
| 21:31.40 | Gathond | Mayhem: random segmentation faults could indicate a memory problem, try running memtest86 (if its an x86 machine) |
| 21:32.07 | Gathond | Mayhem: or just a common library having a problem |
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| 21:32.25 | Mayhem | Gathond, good idea. The machine has been stable for over a year, just did an update for etch and getting lots of segfaults |
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| 21:32.39 | phyberoptix | eeyore- i installed php4/mysql/php4-mysql and i still get a error msg that my php doesnt support mysql |
| 21:32.40 | raf256 | I get meany FAILED in debsums |
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| 21:32.44 | raf256 | on all my boxes, wtf? |
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| 21:32.53 | raf256 | anyone with debian unstable can please run: debsums ? |
| 21:32.57 | Gathond | Mayhem: if you just updated it might be the library thing |
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| 21:33.26 | Jmax | how do i change the font that firefox uses by default? |
| 21:33.33 | starfishy | raf: running debsums |
| 21:33.36 | Wille88 | why base-config fails to run under chroot: http://vankila.org/base-config.log |
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| 21:34.21 | ribnitz | When trying to backup a dvd i get an error reading menu.vob, is there a way to circumvent this? |
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| 21:34.38 | hellrazor | Hello, where do i find the permanent settings for the exports? |
| 21:34.53 | eeyore- | phyberoptix: you forgot to load the mysql.so extension |
| 21:34.59 | valdyn | !wikifaq hellrazor DotFiles |
| 21:34.59 | starfishy | ribnitz: it might try to help knowing how you are trying to backup the dvd |
| 21:34.59 | dpkg | hellrazor: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:35.14 | JohnnyL | hello everyone. |
| 21:35.14 | phyberoptix | eeyore- how do i do that? |
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| 21:35.18 | Mayhem | strace output: http://pastebin.com/494005 |
| 21:35.21 | ribnitz | starfishy: Î use dvdbackup. Any better solution? |
| 21:35.51 | eeyore- | phyberoptix: find /etc -name php*.ini, add a line "extension mysql.so" to the file. check the syntax though. maybe it's "extension = mysql.so" |
| 21:36.09 | phyberoptix | kthx |
| 21:36.48 | ribnitz | starfishy: dvdbackup -M -i/dev/dvd -o. |
| 21:36.58 | JohnnyL | Can I throw debian onto a p75? |
| 21:37.01 | valdyn | Jmax: in its UI ? |
| 21:37.02 | hellrazor | valdyn how do i ad an neqw dir to my user permanent export ? |
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| 21:37.14 | Jmax | valdyn, nevermind, i got it. thanks |
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| 21:37.18 | hiwk | Got a sequal to the NO_PUBKEY-problem, I've added the thingies on secure-testing-master.debian.net , but my main repository ( ftp.se.debian.org/debian ) keeps nagging. Is it just a wait-and-see kind of problem or is there a solution? |
| 21:37.20 | ribnitz | JohnnyL: yes. but be more precise what you use it for? |
| 21:37.25 | phyberoptix | eeyore- that is already located at the bottom of php.ini |
| 21:37.32 | eeyore- | i back up to another hard drive, amanda, file:// handler, nice, large, rolling backup. has decent amrecover interface for restoring |
| 21:37.38 | starfishy | what happens if you copy the cd to /dev/null? |
| 21:37.41 | valdyn | hellrazor: dont understand that question |
| 21:37.48 | starfishy | that would show whether there are read errors on the disk |
| 21:37.59 | eeyore- | phyberoptix: are you *sure*? (mssql.so != mysql.so, common mistake). if it's there already, try reloading apache |
| 21:38.16 | eeyore- | phyberoptix: and, there are two php.ini files. one for cgi, one for mod_php |
| 21:38.21 | hellrazor | valdyn i want to add /usr/games/bin to my dir list in export -p |
| 21:38.44 | valdyn | hellrazor: keep reading the FAQ |
| 21:39.12 | phyberoptix | eeyore- ty i was trying to goto fast and forgot to restart apache |
| 21:39.22 | benjamindees | JohnnyL, sure, lots of memory helps |
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| 21:39.47 | eeyore- | phyberoptix: cool :-) |
| 21:39.49 | JohnnyL | ribnitz, x, maybe kde? general hacking/kernel testing/ features other kernels,maybe x64/internet. |
| 21:39.52 | ribnitz | starfishy: you mean dd if=... of=/dev/null? |
| 21:40.12 | ribnitz | JohnnyL: Honeastly: Forget KDE. |
| 21:40.37 | ribnitz | JohnnyL: it wil lrun, but be sluggish. also how much ram is in that box? |
| 21:40.40 | JohnnyL | benjamindees, it gots 80. |
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| 21:40.52 | benjamindees | JohnnyL, you'd be pushing it to run X, and kde is impossible |
| 21:40.56 | hellrazor | valdyn is there an german version of the faq? |
| 21:41.12 | valdyn | hellrazor: i wouldnt know |
| 21:41.45 | ribnitz | Sonme general rule used to be like 80MB min ram for X. |
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| 21:42.04 | benjamindees | JohnnyL, I'd look into blackbox/fluxbox/openbox/xfce/fvwm |
| 21:42.37 | Mayhem | suggestions on finding out what library is making vim and gdm segfault? |
| 21:42.42 | JohnnyL | ribnitz, i had to parlay with the parition to get win98 (sorry guys) to work on it. if i recall correctly the bios couldn't see it if it wasen't a slave. hopefully debian will detect? |
| 21:42.54 | JohnnyL | benjamindees ok. :) |
| 21:43.05 | Mayhem | they both use lots of gnome/gtk stuff |
| 21:43.34 | FlopsyPete | my Gnomebaler doesn't have an option for 'Video CD'. is there a package I should install to get that to appear in the UI? doesn't seem to be anything relevant in its depends/suggests/recommends |
| 21:43.50 | benjamindees | JohnnyL, and nothing newer than Sarge, with 2.4 kernel or perhaps build a custom 2.6 kernel with some embedded features |
| 21:44.36 | FlopsyPete | JohnnyL: I setup a machine with a K6-233 CPU and 80MB RAM the other day that runs fine with X and XFCE |
| 21:44.56 | FlopsyPete | JohnnyL: using Testing and 2.6 kernel |
| 21:45.00 | Gashad | I am trying to set up a wireless NIC in debian. I rebooted the computer before I was supposed to copy over some firmware to the hotplug directory. Now when the computer boots, it hangs at "Configuring Network Interfaces..." What can I do to boot into linux? |
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| 21:45.28 | JohnnyL | can any of you tell me what would cause lp to lock lp -d filename. (ascii) What's the layer between it and the printer specifics and is it vendor specific? (sorry again) but it works one the same machine on my dusty wxp. |
| 21:45.33 | valdyn | !i forgot root's password |
| 21:45.33 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 21:45.35 | benjamindees | I setup a P133 with 128MB ram yesterday with blackbox and was told it was "slow" |
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| 21:45.45 | JohnnyL | FlopsyPete, k. |
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| 21:45.54 | AnonymousHive | Umm... |
| 21:46.07 | AnonymousHive | After you build the nvidia-kernel-source package, what do you need to do? |
| 21:46.09 | FlopsyPete | benjamindees: you're lucky getting 128MB for it, well done |
| 21:46.12 | Mayhem | Gashad, it should continue after a wait |
| 21:46.16 | AnonymousHive | What do I need to add to my xorg.conf? |
| 21:46.33 | benjamindees | FlopsyPete, many old PCs died to bring me that RAM... |
| 21:46.51 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:46.52 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 21:46.59 | ribnitz | starfishy: xine seems to play it fine.. |
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| 21:47.17 | ribnitz | starfishy: what do you use for such purposes? |
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| 21:47.23 | Gashad | Mayhem: should that wait be longer than 15 minutes? |
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| 21:47.30 | kino | I need a video player.. is there a package for debian? |
| 21:47.37 | valdyn | AnonymousHive: once the packages are installed, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:47.38 | ribnitz | kino: xine |
| 21:47.50 | benjamindees | kino, you use kde or gnome? |
| 21:47.54 | Mayhem | Gashad, no, about a minute if its waiting for DHCP. yours might have locked up |
| 21:47.59 | kino | no kde no gnome |
| 21:48.02 | valdyn | AnonymousHive: uh or xserver-xorg in your case |
| 21:48.11 | benjamindees | kino, ah, xine then or mplayer |
| 21:48.27 | AnonymousHive | valdyn: I ran that, but the nvidia module doesn't show up in the list of drivers |
| 21:48.34 | kino | there is no mplayer package |
| 21:48.34 | Gashad | Mayhem: It doesn't seem to be doing any DHCP stuff. It seems like it has locked up. |
| 21:48.36 | valdyn | AnonymousHive: so its not installed |
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| 21:48.38 | ribnitz | kino: the latter being non-free (requires some windows dlls) |
| 21:48.40 | valdyn | !installit |
| 21:48.40 | Mayhem | Gashad, try booting in single-user mode and disable the network device so you can atleast boot |
| 21:48.45 | benjamindees | !tell kino about marillat |
| 21:48.51 | valdyn | !test |
| 21:48.58 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 21:49.02 | valdyn | AnonymousHive: apt-get installl nvidia-glx |
| 21:49.11 | dpkg | Sorry, valdyn, I didn't get your test. |
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| 21:50.06 | fcn | does anyone have a lexmark z600 series printer working on debian sid? |
| 21:50.21 | benjamindees | ribnitz, it isn't packaged at all by debian |
| 21:50.36 | ribnitz | benjamindees: I know. |
| 21:50.58 | ribnitz | So whats the way to backup an (encrypted) dvd with read errors? |
| 21:51.06 | ribnitz | k3b diesnt di encryoted dvds |
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| 21:51.57 | benjamindees | ribnitz, I'd try ddrescue |
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| 21:52.46 | Mayhem | Gathond, any thoughts on the strace? |
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| 21:53.02 | Gathond | Mayhem: what? I haven t kept track, sorry |
| 21:53.04 | indian | hi |
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| 21:53.25 | Mayhem | Gathond, that's ok :) http://pastebin.com/494005 |
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| 21:53.54 | Gashad | Mayhem: I loading single-user mode still tries to setup the network interfaces & locks... :/ |
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| 21:54.21 | raf256 | I wonder |
| 21:54.24 | carbon60 | Afternoon all. |
| 21:54.28 | rambo3 | is it posible to use extrated cd 1 to hard drive as a apt source |
| 21:54.33 | raf256 | would it be hard to create own tiny debian distro |
| 21:54.34 | Gathond | Mayhem: I cant see anything specific there that catshes my eyes, but then again I dont use strace that much :) |
| 21:54.37 | Mayhem | Gashad, aieee, tricky |
| 21:54.49 | raf256 | with no repository, just install-it-once-user-forever like windows |
| 21:54.56 | raf256 | basing on hardened debian |
| 21:55.02 | Mayhem | Gathond, me either :) I not sure where to look at next |
| 21:55.08 | Gathond | Mayhem: one thing could be using GDB and when it segfaults then check the stack to see where |
| 21:55.29 | ThetaWave | !test |
| 21:55.29 | dpkg | Sorry, thetawave, I didn't get your test. |
| 21:55.43 | Gathond | Mayhem: if its always in libsomethingorother, its most likely said lib that is defective, if its random I would blame the memory |
| 21:55.59 | carbon60 | Where is documentation on /etc/modutils/? |
| 21:56.06 | ThetaWave | !Beuller |
| 21:56.06 | Mayhem | Gathond, to show the stack in gdb, command? |
| 21:56.06 | dpkg | somebody said beuller was a character in the movie, "Farris Beuller's Day Off". His teacher (Ben Stein) took roll call while Farris was taking the day off. His teacher called, "Beuller", got no response, called, "Beuller again", and still got no response. It is used in communication to indicate that the writer is not getting a response. |
| 21:56.09 | indian | I have a problem, with a X.org building, the 'ftheader.h' is missing. can somebody help me fix this problem? |
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| 21:56.37 | rambo3 | is it posible then to use iso of cd 1 and mount it and use it as apt source |
| 21:57.04 | SWAT | If I want to run a script (like to start/load something at system startup that uses IPtables) can/must I put that in /etc/rc5.d/ |
| 21:57.06 | SWAT | ? |
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| 21:57.15 | scytheman_ | indian, libfreetype6-dev |
| 21:57.19 | hellrazor | i am haveing an little xauth problem |
| 21:57.23 | indian | scytheman_: thx |
| 21:57.24 | benjamindees | rambo3, use a file URI in sources.list |
| 21:57.25 | FlopsyPete | rambo3: someone posted on planet.debian.org the other day with a script to do just that |
| 21:57.27 | scytheman_ | indian, use apt-file search or packages.debian.org |
| 21:57.39 | starfishy | packages.debian.org is down |
| 21:57.47 | indian | OK |
| 21:57.50 | scytheman_ | mkay |
| 21:58.21 | AnonymousHive | valdyn: I did everything, and it still doesn't work |
| 21:58.25 | hellrazor | starting an seperate x-server with startx -- :1 works quite fine, but useing startx -- :1in an script to start an extra X-Server with one specified application doesn't work. |
| 21:58.40 | hellrazor | anyone know's an solution ? |
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| 21:58.51 | ribnitz | what are sensitive command line switches to dd_rescue? |
| 21:59.22 | benjamindees | SWAT, default runlevel in debian is 2 |
| 21:59.43 | SWAT | ow, OK. Thanks benjamindees |
| 22:00.21 | rambo3 | FlopsyPete do you posibly have direct link . is it in some kind of archives |
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| 22:00.59 | benjamindees | hellrazor, how is the script run? how is the application specified? |
| 22:01.08 | AnonymousHive | Error: API mismatch: the NIVIDIA kernel module is version 6.1.0, but this X module is version 1.0.7174. Please be sure that your kernel module and all nvidia drivers have the same driver version. |
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| 22:01.16 | AnonymousHive | >.> |
| 22:01.26 | hellrazor | the script is runned from /usr/games |
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| 22:01.59 | hellrazor | the application is selected by cd applicationdir & startx ./application -- :1 |
| 22:02.09 | liable | rambo3: if you installed debian from cd, you will already have the cd as a source, you can just put it in, and install stuff.. |
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| 22:02.38 | rambo3 | no i have no cd / floppyt . used 2.5 - |
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| 22:02.55 | benjamindees | hellrazor, && you mean? |
| 22:02.56 | rambo3 | 3.5 addapter cable to copy files |
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| 22:03.06 | liable | ah, ok |
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| 22:03.15 | AnonymousHive | Error from Xserver, help appreciated: Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 6.1.0, but this X module is version 1.0.7174. Please be sure that your kernel module and all nvidia drivers have the same driver version. |
| 22:03.22 | hellrazor | benjamindees can i post the complete script anywhere so you can sse |
| 22:03.24 | hellrazor | see |
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| 22:04.23 | madclicker | where do i get the gpg key for a repo? |
| 22:04.38 | ribnitz | dd_rescue also gives errors (about /dev/hda not being a valid block device), ideas? |
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| 22:05.10 | blondie | ribnitz: try /dev/hda1 instead? |
| 22:05.49 | indian | scytheman_: tell me please, how can i find solution of problems, like this? I've search for it with google with 'ftheader.h', and 'X11R6.9' keywords, read the 'world.log', but can't found the libfreetype6... |
| 22:05.51 | Eno_ | packages.debian.org is down.. can someone verify if klibido is in unstable? |
| 22:05.54 | Moeen | how can I see which process or which user Binded a special port, f.e port 1500 ? |
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| 22:06.03 | benjamindees | !wayttd indian |
| 22:06.04 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, indian? |
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| 22:06.08 | AnonymousHive | Error from Xserver, help appreciated: Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 6.1.0, but this X module is version 1.0.7174. Please be sure that your kernel module and all nvidia drivers have the same driver version. |
| 22:06.16 | liable | rambo3: see if apt-move does what you're after |
| 22:06.32 | vb_coder | is there a command similar to lspci to tell me what monitor i have? |
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| 22:06.55 | buu | Is there anyway to automatically chroot someone who connects via ssh? |
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| 22:06.57 | dererk | Hi there |
| 22:07.02 | benjamindees | ribnitz, that's odd |
| 22:07.06 | Moeen | vb_coder, I don't think so ! |
| 22:07.07 | liable | vb_coder: hwinfo |
| 22:07.08 | Gashad | How do I disable my network interfaces at boot? |
| 22:07.09 | buu | perhaps a simple bash script set as their shell? |
| 22:07.12 | dererk | I found troubles on http://packages.debian.org/ site |
| 22:07.17 | dererk | Is it known? |
| 22:07.24 | Moeen | vb_coder, but take a see at packages which can detect monitor |
| 22:07.31 | scytheman_ | indian, install apt-file |
| 22:07.36 | indian | dpkg: during the building of X.org there was a problem, the ftheader.h was missing, and scytheman_ told me, installing, the libfreetype6-dev can fix my problem |
| 22:07.42 | scytheman_ | indian, then run apt-file update |
| 22:07.47 | indian | scytheman_: aw, thanks |
| 22:07.51 | indian | :) |
| 22:07.53 | liable | indian: dpkg is a bot :) |
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| 22:07.55 | extremescholar | Gashad, change you /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 22:07.58 | indian | oops |
| 22:08.03 | scytheman_ | indian, after this, you can use "apt-file search <file>" and it tells you the package which contains this file |
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| 22:08.32 | scytheman_ | indian, from time to time you have to run "apt-file update" again to update its database |
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| 22:09.22 | indian | woww, that's great |
| 22:09.28 | benjamindees | indian, using backages from backports.org is easier than building them from source |
| 22:09.32 | indian | i memorize it |
| 22:09.35 | benjamindees | indian, packages even |
| 22:09.39 | zidane | hi, I just installed Debian, but I tried to configure my nvidia video card and didn't succeed, now I can't run X, can anybody tell me how to repair this pls |
| 22:09.46 | FlopsyPete | vb_coder: read-edid |
| 22:10.16 | liable | !drxx zidane |
| 22:10.16 | dpkg | zidane: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:10.22 | starfishy | zidane: get the drivers from the nvidia site |
| 22:10.34 | starfishy | as you cant run x use lynx to access the site |
| 22:10.37 | zidane | can you give me the link pls, cos I have no X |
| 22:10.40 | zidane | ok |
| 22:10.47 | dererk | !packages.debian.org |
| 22:10.48 | dpkg | [packages.debian.org] the place to look what packages are in debian, see also apt-get.org and apt-cache search |
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| 22:10.54 | starfishy | hold on, zidane |
| 22:10.56 | dererk | !news |
| 22:10.58 | benjamindees | buu, that would work but for all logins, not just ssh |
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| 22:11.36 | liable | zidane: you should be able to get x up with the nv driver, then if you want 3d shits, you need the nvidia driver |
| 22:11.39 | FlopsyPete | !xmd5 |
| 22:11.40 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 22:11.44 | madclicker | where do i find the public key for the debian repositories? |
| 22:11.47 | buu | benjamindees: Hrm. Ok, but you still need someway to run the chroot as a root user though, right? |
| 22:11.51 | starfishy | zidane: try "wget http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8178/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8178-pkg1.run" |
| 22:11.52 | liable | madclicker: /topic |
| 22:12.02 | madclicker | liable, roger |
| 22:12.27 | starfishy | liable: I thought the same thing but for some reason the nv driver puked when i switched to my current PCI-X 6600GT |
| 22:12.32 | liable | madclicker: see! it is usefull sometimes :) |
| 22:12.36 | starfishy | maybe its fixed by now, that was 4 weeks ago |
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| 22:12.56 | liable | starfishy: no vesa either? |
| 22:13.01 | FlopsyPete | how do you get the 'video D' option to appear in Gnomebaker? |
| 22:13.03 | madclicker | liable, -_- |
| 22:13.05 | FlopsyPete | sorry, Video CD |
| 22:13.18 | starfishy | liable: i didnt try vesa |
| 22:13.24 | starfishy | just pulled the new NVidia driver |
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| 22:14.10 | benjamindees | buu, I'm sure there's documentation on doing this, this for example: http://debian.chains.ch/chroot/chroot.html |
| 22:14.27 | madclicker | liable, gpgkeys: key 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F not found on keyserver |
| 22:14.45 | zidane | can you show me that dpkg help again pls, because of no scrooll in text mode :( |
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| 22:14.52 | zidane | scroll* |
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| 22:15.11 | liable | !tell zidane about drxx |
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| 22:15.29 | benjamindees | !tell zidane about xmd5 |
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| 22:15.42 | DDTa | hi |
| 22:15.43 | liable | zidane: you should have got a query from dpkg |
| 22:15.50 | marc_in_lux | good evening |
| 22:15.52 | zidane | thx a lot |
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| 22:16.52 | starfishy | man, i hate acer notebooks |
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| 22:17.04 | liable | madclicker: worked for me (TM) |
| 22:17.06 | marc_in_lux | I am trying to recover a borked lvm volume group. I think I have trouble with devicemapper and can't find any newbie-compatible documentation on what it does |
| 22:17.20 | marc_in_lux | I think from dmsetup status that I may be missing some tables |
| 22:17.36 | marc_in_lux | what are these tables, and can I recollect them from lvscan output? |
| 22:17.46 | bipolar | has anyone installed kolab2 server on sarge? |
| 22:17.54 | madclicker | liable, in my case "sudo -s" |
| 22:18.20 | zidane | !dpkg kmd5 |
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| 22:18.36 | DDTa | do you know ethical software? |
| 22:18.37 | zidane | uh :) |
| 22:18.45 | zidane | !dpkg help |
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| 22:19.03 | svizzero | anyone knows why I can't see many pixmap icons in the gnome main menu bar? |
| 22:19.11 | zidane | !dpkg kmx5 |
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| 22:19.30 | liable | zidane: you can ask dpkg in the query window |
| 22:19.35 | zidane | ah sorry |
| 22:19.40 | zidane | didn't know that |
| 22:19.43 | benjamindees | !tell zidane about xmd5 |
| 22:19.49 | zidane | oh thx :) |
| 22:20.34 | benjamindees | well this is awesome, got video working on every site but mtv.com |
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| 22:21.17 | tictac | well, the only site that is a required read is /. and theonion. so your good. ;) |
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| 22:22.12 | Mayhem | running gdm to investigate segfaults, the backtrace isn't very informative - #0 0x41ede489 in ?? () |
| 22:22.37 | Mayhem | s/gdm/gdb/ |
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| 22:23.25 | FlopsyPete | anyone else have the problem of audio reverting from ALSA to OSS / one sound card to another every time they restart? I have to re-run alsaconf constantly |
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| 22:25.01 | benjamindees | FlopsyPete, you have multiple sound cards? |
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| 22:25.56 | svizzero | anyone knows why I can't see kde icons in gnome? |
| 22:26.25 | FlopsyPete | benjamindees: the on-board, a PCI soundblaster and possibly a TV card's sound |
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| 22:28.49 | Mayhem | ok, vim-gnome is the one crashing, so I'm guessing one of my gnome libraries is at fault |
| 22:29.14 | chealer | svizzero: which icons |
| 22:29.19 | benjamindees | svizzero, I think that's normal |
| 22:29.39 | svizzero | all kde icons |
| 22:29.49 | svizzero | is there a tool to reload the gnome menu with all icons? |
| 22:29.59 | chealer | svizzero: example? |
| 22:30.05 | sifi-x | svizzero, gconftool2 |
| 22:30.14 | FlopsyPete | svizzero: not quite sure, but checkout 'menu' |
| 22:30.20 | Malagmyr | What default port do I have to allow so that my Xserver can view windows from applications running on other machines? I've removed "-nolisten tcp" from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc (I have to do that, right?) |
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| 22:31.21 | svizzero | sifi-x, do you know how to call gconftool2 to reload all menus? |
| 22:31.30 | svizzero | I don't know the right parameters |
| 22:31.35 | sifi-x | svizzero, nope, just check the man page |
| 22:31.48 | svizzero | ok thx |
| 22:32.45 | FlopsyPete | benjamindees: so, what was going to be your point about the multiple sound cards? |
| 22:33.22 | taw9 | anyone using an nForce4 board? I can't get any open source drivers to work - lspci shows many "unknown device" |
| 22:33.55 | starfishy | im using an nforce 4 board with a custom 2.6.14 kernel |
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| 22:34.09 | Mayhem | taw9, nforce4 boards are fairly well supported I believe |
| 22:34.12 | starfishy | lspci seems to work |
| 22:34.22 | benjamindees | FlopsyPete, you can tell alsa to load sound cards in the same order every time |
| 22:34.22 | taw9 | :( |
| 22:34.33 | simonrvn | update-pciids |
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| 22:34.48 | simonrvn | at least you won't get 'unknown device' from lspci |
| 22:34.51 | Phoul | QUESTION |
| 22:34.56 | Phoul | Does anyone know about xandros |
| 22:34.57 | Phoul | ? |
| 22:35.00 | starfishy | yes |
| 22:35.04 | taw9 | I've compiled the forcedeth driver but i think it doesn't load because it doesn't recognise the devices - I'm using 2.6.15 |
| 22:35.07 | Phoul | can you tell me what it is |
| 22:35.09 | Phoul | I know its a OS |
| 22:35.12 | Phoul | But whats good about it |
| 22:35.16 | simonrvn | ANSWER |
| 22:35.16 | simonrvn | #xandros |
| 22:35.19 | starfishy | its a debian based distro geared towards beginners |
| 22:35.25 | Phoul | simonrvn, im there lol |
| 22:35.26 | brox | is there an easy way to install win32 codecs so i can watch wmv with totem? |
| 22:35.37 | simonrvn | then ask there |
| 22:35.45 | Phoul | theres like 4 people |
| 22:35.46 | Phoul | >.> |
| 22:35.55 | starfishy | if you have to ask, xandros is probably for you |
| 22:35.56 | hellrazor | where do i find the mplayer package ? |
| 22:36.11 | benjamindees | !tell brox about marillat |
| 22:36.14 | starfishy | ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat, IMMSMR |
| 22:36.26 | Phoul | starfishy, does it have a pkgmnger? |
| 22:36.31 | starfishy | yes. |
| 22:36.50 | FlopsyPete | benjamindees: are you saying it just needs to load the one I want first, and thats my problem that its not loading the one I want first? |
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| 22:37.05 | SWAT | if I need to run commands as root, do I need to sudo them? (if the script is /etc/rc2.d) ? |
| 22:37.12 | benjamindees | FlopsyPete, quite possibly |
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| 22:37.27 | brox | starfishy: IMMSMR? |
| 22:37.40 | Gathond | SWAT: init scripts are run as root during bootup |
| 22:37.46 | starfishy | If My Memory Serves Me Right ;)( |
| 22:37.48 | starfishy | ;) |
| 22:37.53 | FlopsyPete | benjamindees: if only GNOME had a UI for this. I'll look at modules.conf |
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| 22:38.10 | SWAT | Gathond, thanks, I just needed to check |
| 22:38.15 | liable | modconf? |
| 22:38.39 | Gathond | SWAT: you can use su in the scripts to start them as another user though |
| 22:39.09 | simonrvn | um, man start-stop-daemon |
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| 22:40.24 | taw9 | simonrvn: Many thanks. lspci now looks better - Is that likely to help the kernel too? |
| 22:40.26 | brox | ok should i just do dpkg -i mplayer-386_1.0-pre7-0.2_i386.deb? |
| 22:40.35 | brox | unsure here |
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| 22:41.34 | benjamindees | brox, get the w32codecs package... |
| 22:41.48 | Mayhem | brox, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html has lines to add to your sources.list, then you can use apt-get/dselect etc |
| 22:42.01 | liable | brox: add the sources and use apt otherwise yo'll get into dependancy troubles |
| 22:42.19 | brox | liable: yup i did |
| 22:42.35 | liable | brox: then update, and install with apt |
| 22:42.48 | FlopsyPete | is w32codecs just for mplayer or what? |
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| 22:43.01 | brox | i hope not |
| 22:43.06 | liable | dont think so |
| 22:43.13 | mango | Hi every one, can any one please tell me which wifi pcmcia card I can buy that debian can recognise on the spot without the hessle of compiling and configuring please? |
| 22:43.14 | brox | otherwise im srewed |
| 22:43.47 | benjamindees | no, it's generic |
| 22:43.48 | Mayhem | brox, are you using totem or totem-xine? |
| 22:43.56 | brox | totem |
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| 22:44.57 | benjamindees | mango, you should ask the wifi card manufacturers that... |
| 22:45.03 | Mayhem | I should have said, totem-gstreamer or totem-xine. Unless the gstreamer backend has improved heaps, try the xine one |
| 22:45.26 | Mayhem | or use mplayer |
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| 22:45.43 | liable | mango: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz |
| 22:45.49 | FlopsyPete | Mayhem: really? I've just moved over to the gstreamer one to investigate what its all about and found it plays a lot less than the xone one did; so is this like a known thing? |
| 22:46.07 | benjamindees | mango, the only one I know for sure is orinoco |
| 22:46.27 | Mayhem | FlopsyPete, it may have changed. Totem-xine plays pretty much everything I throw at it |
| 22:46.54 | Mayhem | never had much success with gstreamer |
| 22:47.21 | benjamindees | configuring mime types on sarge is a pita |
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| 22:47.38 | benjamindees | that should be a goal of Etch to unify that crap |
| 22:47.42 | FlopsyPete | Mayhem: in terms of Debian packaging, there's a package for gstreamer this that and everything, yet only the one for xine. d'you know what thats all about? it made me think maybe gstreamer was a more actively developed foudnation, but haven't see that in paractice |
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| 22:48.22 | brox | mango: get one with a prism chip - its the best supported wlan chip under linux |
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| 22:48.50 | brox | mango: i wont gurantee the no compiling no configuring stuff though ;) |
| 22:48.55 | Mayhem | FlopsyPete, I believe gstreamer is being actively developed, and is very modular thus all the packages. Xine is more mature, and seems to work better. It is just a player, whereas gstreamer is a whole 'framework' |
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| 22:50.35 | fantomas | Problem with screen. I run screen like this: screen -m -d -S screenname /usr/bin/rbot /home/bot/mybot . rbot runs fine but I can |
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| 22:51.05 | nerdyH | anybody having "Superblock last mount time is in the future" problems? |
| 22:51.05 | FlopsyPete | Mayhem: thanks for that |
| 22:51.13 | fantomas | 't attach this screen. I issue: screen -d -r screenname and get error: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/24' - please check. |
| 22:52.06 | Metza | nerdyH: if the future != the near future, why care? ;) |
| 22:52.17 | resiak | Who is screen running as when you first run it? |
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| 22:52.58 | nerdyH | Metza: thanks for that :-) In this case, i care becuz pal Eric can't boot his Debian testing box |
| 22:53.05 | resiak | More to the point, is the user you try to reattach as the same? |
| 22:53.18 | ghibli | Ciao a tutti |
| 22:53.30 | brox | first: how did i do this? W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 22:53.39 | fantomas | resiak: no, its another user, you're right. I have no access to /dev/pts/24. |
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| 22:53.59 | brox | i admit i have been messing with my ssh puplic key -- but thats something else right? |
| 22:54.00 | resiak | fantomas: man screen; look at the stuff for adding permissions for different users. |
| 22:54.05 | resiak | brox: /topic |
| 22:54.11 | fantomas | resiak: oh, thanks. |
| 22:54.13 | ghibli | C'è qualcuno che mi può aiutare? ITA |
| 22:54.15 | resiak | I'm so pleased that the topic is there, and that everyone reads it. |
| 22:54.30 | dusty- | Hey guys I have just installed debian 3.1 r1, and install xfree86 and configured it via dpkg-reconfigure etc, when i login to gnome, i get presented with an error saying: "Error activating XKB Configuration. Probably internal X server problem, list some more details.." Then says There are known problems with complex XKB confiurations try using a simpler config or a newer versioon of XFREE86?? What should i do, how can i get rid of that error |
| 22:54.30 | dusty- | message?] |
| 22:54.34 | Loren | hello |
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| 22:55.01 | FlopsyPete | dusty-: when you were asked the country for your keybopard, and given a default of us, what did you put? |
| 22:55.17 | dusty- | uk |
| 22:55.21 | resiak | It's gb |
| 22:55.23 | FlopsyPete | dusty-: it s gb |
| 22:55.27 | chealer | dusty-: that's the reason I don't use GNOME :) |
| 22:55.32 | FlopsyPete | dusty- sorry, no |
| 22:55.43 | dusty- | hehe |
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| 22:55.47 | dusty- | ima switch to kde soon |
| 22:55.53 | dusty- | how do i change that? |
| 22:55.56 | dusty- | XF86Config-4? |
| 22:56.00 | resiak | !drxx dusty- |
| 22:56.00 | dpkg | dusty-: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:56.06 | ghibli | c'è un italiano? |
| 22:56.09 | resiak | !it |
| 22:56.09 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 22:56.25 | pureone | why would you need to reconfigure x to get into kde? |
| 22:56.36 | FlopsyPete | dusty-: yeah, gb is right. if you chose, like, uk, it would give the error you describe |
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| 22:56.39 | resiak | You wouldn't... |
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| 22:57.13 | dusty- | ok thankyou guys. |
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| 22:57.39 | dusty- | Also, I want to install azureus java bitorrent client. It needs java, which packages do i need to install to get the latest java? |
| 22:57.46 | ZiDaNe | how can I update my debian from stable to testing ? |
| 22:57.58 | ZiDaNe | just changing apt sources list ? |
| 22:58.00 | FlopsyPete | c'mon, such a minor thing is _hardly_ a thing to be choosing GNOME or KDE over, surely... |
| 22:58.05 | resiak | !sarge->etch |
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| 22:58.16 | resiak | !tell dusty- -about java |
| 22:58.41 | starfishy | zidane: change sources.list, then aptitude update, then aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 22:58.49 | ZiDaNe | ok thx |
| 22:58.50 | starfishy | prepare for a bit of manual work |
| 22:58.57 | ZiDaNe | what do you mean ? |
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| 22:59.03 | brox | resiak: ok by running that cryptic gpg command i dont get the error for all my other package sources but i still get it for ftp.nerim.net :( |
| 22:59.05 | benjamindees | !tell ZiDaNe aoubt sarge upgrade |
| 22:59.20 | starfishy | i mean that usually a few packages need to be manually removed and/or installed |
| 22:59.21 | benjamindees | !tell ZiDaNe about sarge upgrade |
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| 22:59.26 | Mayhem | how can I debug a segfault if everything has been stripped of debugging info? |
| 22:59.32 | resiak | brox: check Marillat's site, maybe? |
| 22:59.38 | starfishy | if you have never done it before i suggest a good backup |
| 22:59.39 | Gathond | Mayhem: install the -dbg packages |
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| 22:59.50 | dusty- | !tell dusty- about java licensing |
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| 22:59.58 | resiak | !tell dusty- -about msgdpkg |
| 23:00.01 | dusty- | !tell dusty- about install java |
| 23:00.01 | Mayhem | Gathond, of which, every potential library? |
| 23:00.11 | FlopsyPete | starfishy: are you serious? sarge -> testing should be _smooth_ |
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| 23:00.18 | Gathond | Mayhem: those contains version with debugging symbols for dbg (dbg will automagically load those versions if they are installed) |
| 23:00.29 | starfishy | flopsy: i havent updated sarge->testing in years |
| 23:00.29 | Gathond | Mayhem: every one you want to include debugging information in |
| 23:00.32 | brox | is there an easier way to watch wmv? |
| 23:00.43 | starfishy | but i rather like to warn once more than not enough |
| 23:00.59 | _rene_ | starfishy: of course not. since sarge only was released under a year ago :-P |
| 23:01.02 | resiak | FlopsyPete: It's not. udev dies in preinst if you do not have a kernel >= 2.6.12 installed, breaking your upgrade half way. |
| 23:01.12 | starfishy | rene: sarge was around much longer than that |
| 23:01.18 | Mayhem | Gathond, ok, will give it a try. Some of these library dependancies are huge... |
| 23:01.27 | starfishy | you are right though, at that time it was testing |
| 23:01.28 | _rene_ | but at that time sarge was testing |
| 23:01.29 | resiak | FlopsyPete: So if you have udev and the Sarge 2.6 kernel, you need to know to upgrade your kernel, or to remove udev, before upgrading. |
| 23:01.51 | _rene_ | so sarge->testing upgrade is really a upgrade inside sarge and not what you probably meant :) |
| 23:01.52 | resiak | FlopsyPete: This is going to be in the release notes, and Md says it's good enough. |
| 23:01.56 | _rene_ | s/is/was/ |
| 23:01.59 | brox | ok gnight |
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| 23:02.01 | starfishy | rene: you are right |
| 23:02.38 | FlopsyPete | resiak: wow, thats worth noting. whose Md? |
| 23:02.45 | starfishy | well, ive been running unstable on almost all of my boxes for about 6 years, so upgrading a distro rarely happens :) |
| 23:02.52 | resiak | FlopsyPete: Marco d'Itri, udev's maintainer. |
| 23:03.11 | resiak | FlopsyPete: I don't know to who he belongs, though. Perhaps you mean "who's"? |
| 23:03.44 | madclicker | is amarok for etch and xmms-kde are dead projects? |
| 23:03.59 | FlopsyPete | resiak: :) yeah 'who'se'(?) |
| 23:04.02 | madclicker | is there a replacement? |
| 23:04.09 | starfishy | dunno, amarok for unstable works very well |
| 23:04.12 | resiak | FlopsyPete: "who'se"? |
| 23:04.25 | resiak | !why is xmms-kde not in etch |
| 23:04.25 | dpkg | resiak: I think you lost me on that one |
| 23:04.31 | madclicker | starfishy, not for amd64 it doesnt |
| 23:04.32 | resiak | !why is xmms-kde not in testing |
| 23:04.32 | dpkg | xmms-kde is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xmms-kde |
| 23:04.33 | FlopsyPete | resiak: whoislookup |
| 23:04.38 | resiak | FlopsyPete: I see. |
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| 23:04.47 | starfishy | debian for amd64 is not final yet |
| 23:04.54 | starfishy | so, expect some roadblocks |
| 23:04.55 | madclicker | !why is xmms-kde not in etch |
| 23:04.55 | dpkg | madclicker: what are you talking about? |
| 23:04.58 | resiak | madclicker: Loads of KDE got taken out of testing during the C++ ABI transition. It'll reappear soon. |
| 23:05.17 | starfishy | i ran debian-amd64 for a while but it was too much of a hassle to run half the app software in a 32-bit chroot jail |
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| 23:05.48 | chealer | brox: easier than what? |
| 23:05.52 | starfishy | what about just using KDE 3.5.0 from alioth? |
| 23:05.53 | madclicker | starfishy, i hear you |
| 23:05.57 | starfishy | works good for me |
| 23:06.03 | madclicker | thanks resiak |
| 23:06.07 | starfishy | with unstable though |
| 23:06.07 | resiak | madclicker: No problem. |
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| 23:06.16 | starfishy | i have no idea whether it would work with testing or sarge |
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| 23:06.39 | a42 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.45 | _SD_Keo_Monster | Hello, is there something that I can use on apt so it downloads the deps too? |
| 23:07.04 | starfishy | the deps? |
| 23:07.12 | starfishy | or do you mean the debs? |
| 23:07.18 | _SD_Keo_Monster | dependencies |
| 23:07.19 | starfishy | apt does download the latter |
| 23:07.21 | starfishy | oh |
| 23:07.24 | _SD_Keo_Monster | or however you spell it |
| 23:07.29 | slake | apt does download the deps |
| 23:07.30 | starfishy | i thought tat was the whole point of apt/ |
| 23:07.36 | starfishy | that |
| 23:07.48 | _SD_Keo_Monster | Well it's not |
| 23:07.53 | starfishy | for what package does it not download the deps? |
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| 23:08.00 | _SD_Keo_Monster | It's just giving me a broken package error |
| 23:08.07 | FlopsyPete | _SD_Keo_Monster: maybe you mean the sugests or recommends? |
| 23:08.08 | starfishy | you might want to do an aptitude update before downloading |
| 23:08.12 | resiak | What version of Debian are you using? |
| 23:08.19 | _SD_Keo_Monster | latest |
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| 23:08.30 | resiak | Define "latest" |
| 23:08.36 | starfishy | i think sd either has an inaccurate pathlist or is running unstable without having the necessary experience |
| 23:08.46 | _SD_Keo_Monster | I donno the testing on the debian website |
| 23:08.48 | resiak | !tell _SD_Keo_Monster -about sid faq |
| 23:08.54 | resiak | Testing, eh? |
| 23:08.58 | resiak | I take back the faq |
| 23:09.02 | ice_1963 | key |
| 23:09.10 | starfishy | testing normally works quite |
| 23:09.11 | _SD_Keo_Monster | I wasn't paying attention, I just downloaded the iso |
| 23:09.12 | starfishy | well |
| 23:09.31 | starfishy | are you trying to install the package from CD? |
| 23:09.32 | ice_1963 | :0) |
| 23:09.40 | starfishy | the dependency might simply not be on that CD |
| 23:09.53 | Mayhem | the broken package would be the problem |
| 23:10.04 | brox | chealer: an easy way to install win32 codecs - easier then installing mplayer over debian-marillat and having to figure out why it says W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 when i apt-update... |
| 23:10.04 | Mayhem | need more info |
| 23:10.18 | ZiDaNe | is there a way to change my system default language ? |
| 23:10.23 | _SD_Keo_Monster | starfishy, no I'm trying to install it from apt |
| 23:10.27 | _SD_Keo_Monster | not the CD |
| 23:10.32 | _SD_Keo_Monster | off the internet |
| 23:10.39 | resiak | !tell brox -about marillat key |
| 23:10.41 | _SD_Keo_Monster | ya know, that thing we're on right now |
| 23:10.44 | starfishy | then you want to do an aptitude update before installing anything |
| 23:10.58 | starfishy | if it still doesnt work chances are that the package is either being updated or indeed broken |
| 23:11.35 | chealer | brox: you don't necessarily need w32codecs to read wmv, but you do for the majority of them (WMV3) |
| 23:11.38 | starfishy | aptitude update updates the list of available packages |
| 23:11.40 | ice_1963 | key |
| 23:11.40 | _SD_Keo_Monster | yeah I've done apt-get update multiple times -_- |
| 23:11.52 | chealer | !wayttd ice_1963 |
| 23:11.53 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ice_1963? |
| 23:11.55 | brox | resiak: thank you |
| 23:12.07 | starfishy | which package are you having problems with specifically? |
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| 23:12.17 | starfishy | you also might want to check bugzilla |
| 23:12.36 | chealer | !tell _SD_Keo_Monster about bat |
| 23:12.42 | resiak | where by bugzilla, you mean the bts? |
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| 23:13.17 | _SD_Keo_Monster | chealer: That's not going to be the easiest on my hands, I don't have X running, just installed the base cli |
| 23:13.32 | resiak | _SD_Keo_Monster: So install lynx or links2 |
| 23:13.54 | _SD_Keo_Monster | I have |
| 23:14.00 | starfishy | resiak: yup |
| 23:14.02 | resiak | So then you can check the bts. |
| 23:14.24 | chealer | _SD_Keo_Monster: then tell us an example of a problematic package |
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| 23:14.29 | ice_1963 | well i was runing testing but this key thing piss me off |
| 23:14.29 | sifi-x | resiak, bts? |
| 23:14.38 | resiak | !bts |
| 23:14.38 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 23:14.40 | starfishy | i second chealers request |
| 23:14.54 | resiak | What happened to "will be shot on sight"?! |
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| 23:15.07 | starfishy | who will be shot on sight? |
| 23:15.14 | chealer | ice_1963: which one, why? did you check the 2006 key factoid? |
| 23:15.23 | resiak | "sid users who are unable to check the bts will be shot on sight" used to be in the bts factoid |
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| 23:15.39 | ice_1963 | yes i did |
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| 23:15.58 | samueltc | hi |
| 23:16.01 | ice_1963 | i can not install it |
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| 23:16.11 | _SD_Keo_Monster | The following packages have unmet dependencies: xlibs: depends: libxft1 but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 23:16.11 | starfishy | resiak: good policy :D |
| 23:16.21 | liable | resiak: at least you can still smite them :) |
| 23:16.30 | samueltc | how can I add shadow support in debian sarge? (i've a minimal system right now without shadowed password file) |
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| 23:16.33 | _SD_Keo_Monster | Well shoot me, I'm not going to the bt's right now, that's what an IRC channel is for |
| 23:16.35 | chealer | ice_1963: you cannot install the key? why? I got to go eat, others will help you if you describe your problem decently |
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| 23:16.59 | chealer | _SD_Keo_Monster: no, a >700 people channel doesn't replace a BTS |
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| 23:17.10 | resiak | _SD_Keo_Monster: No, it's not. The BTS is there precisely so that answers don't need to be remembered and repeated by an IRC channel. |
| 23:17.14 | starfishy | whats the package version of xlibs its trying to install? |
| 23:17.14 | chealer | _SD_Keo_Monster: which version(s)? |
| 23:17.39 | liable | _SD_Keo_Monster: so we are supposed to do your reading for you? would you like me to configure your system? just start sshd and gimme roots password and i'll get right onto it. |
| 23:17.42 | kino | what was that website called marlliot or something?? the one with unofficial packages |
| 23:17.47 | resiak | !marillat |
| 23:17.47 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 23:18.16 | brox | ok im still not happy: when i do apt-get install mplayer-368 it tells me a lot of libd-<wierd> is missing but should not be installed. apt tells me i can do apt-get -f install but when i do that it says that it will install all the libd-<wierd> but deinstall mplayer-386 |
| 23:18.27 | _SD_Keo_Monster | I'm sorry I thought this was supposed to be a support channel, but all you seem to do is point people to the BT and abuse the bot. |
| 23:18.54 | Padnah | I have installed the package for my UPS backup system. It is an APC brand of UPS. The name of the package is APC UPS Power Management. Where will I find it in my KDE directory? |
| 23:18.55 | brox | since it isnt installed thats not so bad but i am reluctant to install al those libs (since i have them just mplayer doesnt like the version) |
| 23:18.56 | starfishy | support is only possible if the supportee has done his homework |
| 23:18.57 | resiak | This _is_ a support channel. Getting the bot to say things so we don't have to make our RSI worse _is_ support. *plonk* |
| 23:19.05 | ice_1963 | hell whit it i will jest run sarge |
| 23:19.07 | liable | _SD_Keo_Monster: please read the sid faq before you start blaming us for our failings. |
| 23:19.27 | _SD_Keo_Monster | God this channel is pointless |
| 23:19.30 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
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| 23:19.35 | iogui | brox: install it from sources |
| 23:19.42 | caphuso | a little less pointless now |
| 23:19.47 | brox | i think debian is really wonderful as a server but no good as a desktop |
| 23:19.59 | starfishy | brox: why is that? |
| 23:20.02 | liable | its the thought that counts :) |
| 23:20.38 | iogui | brox: the mplayer is a buggy package on debian sources |
| 23:20.42 | starfishy | i run debian as desktop exclusively |
| 23:20.42 | brox | starfishy: i asked for the easiest way to watch a wmv but now got the hint to install mplayer from sources... |
| 23:20.50 | _rene_ | brox: well, there is companies which need a reliable and stable desktop |
| 23:21.01 | starfishy | if you want a really easy distro try Xandros or such |
| 23:21.14 | brox | i bet its not hard but its also definitly not worth it |
| 23:21.19 | starfishy | mplayer installs from marillat for me and has for a long time |
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| 23:21.57 | iogui | brox: Debian just let me sad with mplayer package but is a great distro |
| 23:22.21 | brox | iogui: yup ^^ |
| 23:22.48 | ice_1963 | Debian has a lot going for it but the people that help don't |
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| 23:23.36 | brox | ice_1963: disagree |
| 23:23.47 | brox | anyway gnight |
| 23:23.49 | liable | brox: if you are running testing or unstable, give it a day or two and try again, to see if the dependancies are fixed. |
| 23:23.50 | ice_1963 | that's ok |
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| 23:24.02 | _rene_ | ice_1963: the problem with mplayer is that it's encumbered with lots of actively enforced patents |
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| 23:24.33 | Gnurdux | did someone named _SD_Keo_Monster just get banned? |
| 23:24.34 | sifi-x | _rene_, yea, its under marillat so |
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| 23:24.52 | ice_1963 | man i don't use mplayer |
| 23:25.09 | sifi-x | ice_1963, what are you using? |
| 23:25.15 | liable | Gnurdux: yes, why? |
| 23:25.24 | ice_1963 | sarge |
| 23:25.30 | Gnurdux | why? he said he just got banned from here |
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| 23:25.36 | Gnurdux | wtf? |
| 23:25.38 | _SD_Keo_Debyan | FUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 23:25.41 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-24-99-86-216.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 23:25.47 | sifi-x | ice_1963, sarge != media player |
| 23:25.48 | caphuso | Gnurdux: that's why |
| 23:25.51 | Gnurdux | ah :) |
| 23:25.54 | Gnurdux | that explains it |
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| 23:26.06 | ice_1963 | gxine |
| 23:26.12 | sifi-x | ice_1963, ok |
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| 23:26.28 | SuckMyPen|s | BTICHES! |
| 23:26.37 | SuckMyPen|s | Wannna play? Lets play! |
| 23:26.43 | phogg | It has never been clear to me how to pronounce "KKKKKKK" anyway. |
| 23:26.48 | SuckMyPen|s | You homosexual bastards wanna kick us? Well, STFU! |
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| 23:26.54 | sifi-x | ice_1963, I cant find that pkg, which resp. do I need? |
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| 23:27.02 | Debian_Istheshit | woot |
| 23:27.06 | Debian_Istheshit | debian rocks |
| 23:27.09 | kino | I think you just repeat the K sound over and over to voice your frustration |
| 23:27.27 | Debian_Istheshit | I just got like a million headhots on CS uing debuan |
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| 23:27.55 | phogg | what the hell is going on here? |
| 23:28.10 | kino | I like apt but fbsd ports has newer and more selection |
| 23:28.12 | Eno_ | Was he trolling/spamming? |
| 23:28.16 | _rene_ | dumbasses having too much time |
| 23:29.43 | liable | guess he's had all of his mom's computers banned now :) |
| 23:29.44 | Padnah | teknoprep, in the control center under the Power Control all it has is Laptop Battery. My tower is not a laptop. That is where I thought that I would find the UPS, but it is not there |
| 23:30.09 | FunkOnCrack | what am i meant to set for domain name when installing? |
| 23:30.35 | dondelelcaro | FunkOnCrack: whatever your domain name is; if you don't know, it doesn't really matter. |
| 23:30.42 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
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| 23:30.50 | FunkOnCrack | set it the same as my xp machines domain? |
| 23:30.58 | phogg | FunkOnCrack: no |
| 23:31.28 | FunkOnCrack | ok, can i just make it a word? |
| 23:31.58 | phogg | FunkOnCrack: Any alphanumeric string. It can also conain dashes, but no other punctuation |
| 23:32.16 | caphuso | phogg: it can contain dots |
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| 23:32.36 | yaboo | damm trying a net install of debian for my laptop and any site I try fails to download initrd-tools, is there a site with it, using d-i mini cd |
| 23:32.39 | phogg | caphuso: Yes, yes... |
| 23:32.43 | FunkOnCrack | ok thanks, i just found the wiki, so i'll get into reading that so it doesn't annoy you all ;) |
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| 23:36.05 | bsims | I got bored and made a spreadsheet for puting a value on your Cow-Orkers at http://home.insightbb.com/~bmsims1/LifeGem.ods , wget away. I finally convinced Giggle to tell me how much ash lifegem needs to produce a diamond. |
| 23:36.10 | chealer | I should have guessed the trolling level of someone asking how to make APT fetch dependencies had to to be high |
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| 23:36.37 | bsims | I figure the PHB is worth about $58K burned into ash and made into diamonds |
| 23:37.29 | asg | bsims: we've often considered having an LDAP field in our directory for 'level of clue' and adjusting our applications based on that metric. |
| 23:38.36 | Eno_ | I just found out about "apt-get source -b", pretty handy for getting packages from unstable without dragging unstable libs. :) |
| 23:38.41 | Mayhem | Gathond, still around? I'm not having any luck with dbg packages |
| 23:38.46 | bsims | asg: heh see no cow-orker is completely worthless |
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| 23:39.00 | chealer | dpkg: bts's also but since we #debian people have too much time to spend, why not asking us directly to substitute just a few tens of thousands of reports |
| 23:39.08 | bsims | asg: I intend to put that spreadsheet on the server share and then bring fudge to work <g> |
| 23:39.13 | asg | bsims: well some would just get an application with a big button to click titled 'Okay Thunder' |
| 23:39.35 | dusty- | Does anyone here use Azureus Bittorrent Client on debian? |
| 23:39.45 | dusty- | !tell dusty about upgrading sarge |
| 23:39.46 | dvs | !anyone uses |
| 23:39.55 | dvs | !anyone use |
| 23:39.55 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 23:39.56 | starfishy | i use azureus on debian |
| 23:39.58 | dusty- | !tell dusty about updating sarge |
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| 23:40.10 | MrBallZ | in my usb hdd mount line I have fmask=0222, dmask=0222 , does this makes Fat32 drives not able to write ? |
| 23:40.11 | starfishy | downloaded the Knoppix DVD with it a few weeks ago |
| 23:40.18 | asg | dusty-: /msg dpkg list{keys,vals} foo |
| 23:40.21 | Mayhem | dusty-, yes, Azureus works fine on Debian with Sun JRE |
| 23:40.27 | chealer | !tell dusty- about selftell |
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| 23:40.48 | dusty- | Mayhem, Have you ever installed it under debian? |
| 23:41.04 | bsims | asg: hrm now to ask Santa for a machine that will do the cremation/compression automaticaly... I intend to put a big red button in the hopper that reads "Do Not Press". Based on my experence they will be standing in line to press the Forbiden Jolly Candy-like Button |
| 23:41.20 | Mayhem | dusty-, yes, there is a package for it, just apt-get install |
| 23:41.29 | dusty- | Mayhem, what is it called? |
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| 23:41.40 | Mayhem | dusty-, azureus |
| 23:41.50 | dusty- | lol |
| 23:41.50 | asg | bsims: the better bet is to use 'Free Food' instead of 'Do Not Press', at least in my experience ;) |
| 23:41.56 | dusty- | there is no package called azureus. |
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| 23:42.02 | bsims | dusty-: untar it somewere in your path if you don't want the pre-packaged version |
| 23:42.13 | bsims | dusty-: there is on Sid |
| 23:42.14 | dusty- | i want it via apt-get |
| 23:42.18 | starfishy | azureus - BitTorrent client |
| 23:42.19 | dusty- | im on sarge |
| 23:42.19 | Mayhem | dusty-, are you using Sarge? It's probably only in etch/sid |
| 23:42.22 | dusty- | well |
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| 23:42.29 | dusty- | its debian 3.1 r1 |
| 23:42.29 | starfishy | thats the output of apt-cache search on my box |
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| 23:42.36 | dusty- | wtf |
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| 23:42.40 | starfishy | 3.1r1 is sarge |
| 23:42.42 | dusty- | How come i don't have it? |
| 23:42.44 | _rene_ | and only in contrib |
| 23:42.47 | twb | Where can I find documentation on what the colours and shapes mean in the output of apt-cache dotty? |
| 23:42.50 | dusty- | How can i get it? |
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| 23:42.54 | _rene_ | because it needs non-free shit (sun jdk) |
| 23:42.56 | liable | !info azureus sarge |
| 23:43.01 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.2.0.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4981 kB, Installed size: 5960 kB |
| 23:43.01 | beardy | !wayc bsims |
| 23:43.02 | dpkg | bsims: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 23:43.14 | dusty- | im no compiling |
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| 23:43.18 | bsims | beardy: I am using the CVS version |
| 23:43.18 | starfishy | the bot gets a good workout today :) |
| 23:43.29 | liable | dusty-: its in contrib |
| 23:43.43 | starfishy | dusty: do you have contrib in your sources.list line? |
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| 23:44.32 | cfrisch | my usb keyboard is using the wrong keymap how do I change it?? |
| 23:44.47 | beardy | !keymap |
| 23:44.47 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 23:46.14 | cfrisch | beardy did the dpkg-reconfigure console-data and m = enter. how do I find out what to use its a standard qwerty |
| 23:47.39 | cfrisch | beardy my ps/2 works fine. |
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| 23:49.39 | ppcthug | I need help, it seems I've been mixing testing and stable repositories by accident. is there an easy way to list all installed packages in a text file or somthing? possible ordered by weather they are testing or stable? |
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| 23:50.21 | beardy | cfrisch: use qwerty then |
| 23:50.23 | twb | ppcthug: dpkg -l | grep ^i |
| 23:50.39 | liable | ppcthug: dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt |
| 23:50.44 | twb | ppcthug: as for the source, maybe try aptitude |
| 23:51.02 | cfrisch | beardy I am. |
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| 23:51.47 | FunkOnCrack | sorry again, but do i want to install the GRUB boot loader? |
| 23:51.54 | resiak | FunkOnCrack: If you have to ask, yes. |
| 23:52.00 | FunkOnCrack | lol, thanks |
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| 23:52.13 | FunkOnCrack | i'm learning ;) |
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| 23:52.59 | beardy | cfrisch: Are you sure your keyboard is recongized, the modules for it loaded and so on. |
| 23:54.16 | ppcthug | twb and liable thanks |
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| 23:56.13 | liable | ppcthug: yw |
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| 23:57.39 | MrBallZ | in my usb hdd mount line I have fmask=0222, dmask=0222 , does this makes Fat32 drives not able to write ? |
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| 23:58.53 | deadcat_ | why is upgrading locales will remove base-config? |
| 23:59.00 | starfishy | mrballz: masks determine which bits are _not_ set |
| 23:59.05 | deadcat_ | must be broken locales right? |
| 23:59.10 | starfishy | in your case it's the write bit for everyone |
| 23:59.24 | starfishy | 4=read, 2=write, 1=execute |
| 23:59.44 | FunkOnCrack | if i'm setting up debian to be a server with next to no linux experience, should i use the desktop environment? or should I just learn without it? |
