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| 00:01.38 | manu | bbrazil: not in dmesg too |
| 00:01.56 | manu | bbrazil: but it came in console |
| 00:02.09 | fndude | atax: ok, duh. It had added an alias so the correct command was modprobe ztdummy. Now its giving me symbol errors. boo. |
| 00:02.40 | atax | .. |
| 00:02.44 | atax | paste the error |
| 00:02.49 | bbrazil | manu: odd, this is beyond my knowledge |
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| 00:05.28 | fndude | atax: your doing me good, guess I needed somebody to talk to. The ztdummy module needs the zaptel module loaded first. |
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| 00:05.59 | atax | lol |
| 00:06.07 | indian | what can i do, when the 'make includes' command returns with the "no rule to make target ...' error message |
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| 00:06.11 | indian | ? |
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| 00:07.10 | krax | would removing read and execute permission for "others" on the startup scripts aid security? or is it meaningless? |
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| 00:08.12 | fndude | atax: thanks again man. outa my rut. have a good nite. |
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| 00:13.46 | kristiank | help for school<12:I built up a LAN in the school of my village, TX and sarge. How to create easily users ? |
| 00:14.11 | dondelelcaro | kristiank: using adduser or if you're going to do a lot of users, use LDAP or NIS or similar, and write a simple script to insert them |
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| 00:15.02 | kristiank | dondelelcaro: I use aduser, but how to say I want *that* icon on the desktop, and so on ? |
| 00:15.08 | bbrazil | indian: its probably include, not includes |
| 00:15.24 | dondelelcaro | kristiank: ah; that's determined by the contents of /etc/skel |
| 00:15.40 | dondelelcaro | kristiank: set up a user the way you want, then copy the contents back to /etc/skel and set the permissions appropriately. |
| 00:15.51 | thingfish | wow, someone used the word 'village'. neat. |
| 00:16.27 | kristiank | dondelelcaro: what doc to read? man skel ? |
| 00:16.42 | indian | bbrazil: it's includes, i follow the BUILD file during the xorg install |
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| 00:17.11 | dondelelcaro | kristiank: man adduser; is probably the best bet to start with; /etc/skel is just copied in though, so there's not much documentation for it |
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| 00:17.19 | bbrazil | indian: there should be xorg packages |
| 00:17.24 | dak | herm |
| 00:17.27 | foot | if a nick hasnt been used in 18 weeks, can i claim it? and whom should i speak to about this? |
| 00:17.33 | indian | where? |
| 00:17.35 | forgnog | where would someone most likely find most of his config files on a debian linux system ? |
| 00:17.46 | azeem | forgnog: they are all in /etc |
| 00:17.47 | bbrazil | indian: /msg dpkg xorg should tell you |
| 00:17.50 | dondelelcaro | foot: if you can claim it, try to register it; talk to #freenode about stuff like that |
| 00:17.55 | azeem | forgnog: well, the system-wide ones |
| 00:17.58 | indian | thanks |
| 00:18.01 | foot | thx dondelelcaro |
| 00:18.07 | kristiank | dondelelcaro: OK, thanks a lot, if it works I will earn a lot of time. |
| 00:18.17 | azeem | forgnog: the user-specific ones are in your home, but start with a '.', so they are usually not visable |
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| 00:19.39 | forgnog | id like to take look at config files for gdm, it seems to have issues, and i think its pretty much the only thing wrong with the system, it says something about a missing monitor |
| 00:19.42 | sylvisj | Huh |
| 00:19.46 | sylvisj | Umm |
| 00:19.53 | sylvisj | Can anyone help guide me with a problem? |
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| 00:28.34 | sylvisj | err |
| 00:28.38 | sylvisj | xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:28.42 | wykis-x | hi, can anyone tell me how to enable Belkin wireless PCI 125g Wi-Fi card |
| 00:29.35 | sylvisj | Looks like no one knows. Tried google? |
| 00:29.53 | duckdown | Crap.. Now I'm getting " checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 00:29.53 | duckdown | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
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| 00:30.40 | wykis-x | sylvisj did |
| 00:30.54 | azeem | duckdown: just do apt-get build-dep <package> for the <package> you want to compile |
| 00:30.55 | cbr | duckdown: ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` |
| 00:31.16 | cbr | or install the kde -dev files |
| 00:31.19 | azeem | sylvisj: why do you make install alsa? |
| 00:31.27 | sylvisj | then it's done, wykis. Reboot? |
| 00:31.35 | sylvisj | azeem: make;make install |
| 00:31.47 | duckdown | thanks I'll try those |
| 00:31.48 | slowburn | $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:31.48 | slowburn | Package `xserver-xfree86' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 00:31.56 | sylvisj | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?module=ca0106 <-- the instructions for ca0106 |
| 00:32.20 | sylvisj | slowburn: Do you have x-window-system installed? |
| 00:32.41 | slowburn | $ dpkg -l x-window-system |
| 00:32.41 | slowburn | un x-window-system <none> (no description available) |
| 00:33.00 | wykis-x | sylvisj what? |
| 00:33.00 | slowburn | But I do have some flavor of X on my machine up and running |
| 00:33.02 | wykis-x | reboot? |
| 00:33.08 | wykis-x | :/ i need a driver for my Pci card |
| 00:33.17 | wykis-x | its not going to work unless i install it |
| 00:33.18 | azeem | sylvisj: you are missing the /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source directory |
| 00:33.22 | wykis-x | but i dont know where to get it |
| 00:33.25 | benjamindees | sylvisj, what does 'ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source' say? |
| 00:33.26 | sylvisj | slowburn: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 00:33.32 | sylvisj | wykis: wrong person, sry |
| 00:33.33 | azeem | sylvisj: I really suggest you recompile the debian ALSA package |
| 00:33.41 | azeem | or forward-port it, or whatever |
| 00:33.57 | slowburn | slvisj: will that break my current X configuration? |
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| 00:34.06 | sylvisj | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 100 2006-01-07 10:44 /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source ->/home/horms/tmp/debian-kernel-test/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386-2.6.8/install-386 |
| 00:34.16 | sylvisj | slowburn: possibly. Back up the config file. |
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| 00:34.53 | sylvisj | Azeem... what do you mean? |
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| 00:35.26 | azeem | sylvisj: I don't understand why you build ALSA yourself |
| 00:35.30 | wykis-x | ooh ok |
| 00:35.30 | wykis-x | :/ |
| 00:35.47 | benjamindees | sylvisj, packaging problem looks like; change that to point to the kernel source, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 00:35.48 | azeem | sylvisj: you're either missing some symlink or the ALSA Makefiles are not suitable for how Debian handles kernels |
| 00:35.55 | sylvisj | azeem: The debian package will not work with ca0106 |
| 00:36.03 | sylvisj | benjamindees: How? |
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| 00:37.18 | benjamindees | sylvisj, rm /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source && ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source |
| 00:37.33 | sylvisj | ty. |
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| 00:38.04 | sylvisj | IT's working now, thanks. |
| 00:38.08 | sylvisj | Greatly. |
| 00:38.14 | benjamindees | np |
| 00:38.45 | _Sam-- | when debian is installed to HD, do it make a new initrd img based on what modules it needed for the hardware? |
| 00:39.00 | sylvisj | Great, now all I gotta do is find out how ti install it :s |
| 00:39.16 | _Sam-- | or does is still contain same hardware support as install cd |
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| 00:40.47 | benjamindees | _Sam--, looks like it's made dynamically |
| 00:41.39 | _Sam-- | would a knoppix kernel / initrd image boot a regular debian sarge /root fine? |
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| 00:42.10 | benjamindees | _Sam--, probably not |
| 00:42.21 | bbrazil | _Sam--: what you can do is boot knoppix and chroot |
| 00:42.42 | _Sam-- | im working on a small linux version to be compatible with many hardware |
| 00:42.44 | benjamindees | _Sam--, or use the installer as a rescue disk |
| 00:43.04 | _Sam-- | i could just compile my own |
| 00:43.15 | _Sam-- | but id idnt feel like making 10000 modules |
| 00:43.27 | rambo3 | i changed ssolution to 800 x 600 but xdm and windowmaker starts with large screens and i cant change that. how do i fix this. can i change from terminal with vi , couse windows are larger then screnn by 10 times |
| 00:43.31 | benjamindees | _Sam--, is it a live cd? |
| 00:43.42 | _Sam-- | its not going to be live, its going to be a real filesystem |
| 00:43.51 | _Sam-- | but it is going to be a bootable compact flish that writes to something else |
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| 00:44.03 | _Sam-- | flish = flash |
| 00:44.21 | _Sam-- | and i want it to work with alot of hardware when it boots |
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| 00:44.37 | benjamindees | _Sam--, not every hardware boots from usb... |
| 00:44.42 | _Sam-- | its not USB |
| 00:44.54 | _Sam-- | ide compact flash |
| 00:45.05 | sylvisj | Well shit |
| 00:45.09 | sylvisj | Now that they're made, I dunno what to do. |
| 00:45.10 | benjamindees | ah, for mobile devices? |
| 00:45.11 | mboso | i'm trying to install openoffice.org for x86_64, but some of its dependencies are 'not installable'. anyone know what's going on with openoffice? |
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| 00:45.44 | _Sam-- | i dont want to say too much but i specifically am working on a compact flash version...it will run from cd and other place as well.... |
| 00:45.58 | _Sam-- | but i guess my best way is to make my own kernel / modules? |
| 00:46.00 | benjamindees | _Sam--, I see |
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| 00:46.27 | _Sam-- | that is like another 100 megs |
| 00:46.39 | benjamindees | _Sam--, or use the debian installer, but it depends on exactly what you're doing I guess |
| 00:48.22 | tung | md, you around? i cant get udev to load the mouse driver, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/xSvIgD78.html for details |
| 00:49.05 | sylvisj | benjamindees... umm... would you know what I'm supposed to do now that the make stuff is done? |
| 00:49.53 | benjamindees | sylvisj, yes, but if you don't know, then I don't recommend it... |
| 00:50.10 | sylvisj | Well, whatever needs done is the only way to make my sound work... damn ca0106... so I'll do it... |
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| 00:51.16 | DarkAgent | Where does apt put downloaded packaes? |
| 00:51.20 | DarkAgent | packages* |
| 00:51.28 | jberg | the power just went. can that break anything if it doesn't shutdown properly? |
| 00:51.28 | buu | So, magical debianites, anyone want to give me an easy way to install a netgear ga311? |
| 00:51.37 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.42 | Gathond | DarkAgent: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 00:51.56 | DarkAgent | kk |
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| 00:52.08 | chip | !tell me about marillat key |
| 00:52.20 | benjamindees | sylvisj, why can't you use a kernel/alsa modules from testing/unstable? |
| 00:52.28 | DarkAgent | excellent |
| 00:52.40 | sylvisj | benjamindees: AFAIK, they don't use ca0106 either. |
| 00:53.14 | DarkAgent | Can someone send me dialog? |
| 00:53.17 | _Sam-- | benjamindees: how could i make my compact flash have as much hardware support as say sarge install cd? |
| 00:53.31 | _Sam-- | i guess i could mount it up and look at it |
| 00:53.40 | DarkAgent | I cant use apt-get to get it |
| 00:53.41 | tung | marco__ i cant get udev to load the mouse driver, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/xSvIgD78.html for details |
| 00:54.05 | buu | !ga311 |
| 00:54.06 | buu | =[ |
| 00:54.11 | _Sam-- | or just make a new kernel with everything a module? |
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| 00:55.00 | benjamindees | _Sam--, that's way outside anything I can help with here, I suggest looking at the debian installer |
| 00:55.04 | chip | today's signature seems invalid |
| 00:55.18 | worthy | hello |
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| 00:55.54 | _Sam-- | nah im not talking about installing debian |
| 00:55.57 | sylvisj | Ok, how do I give myself permision to write to /usr/src? |
| 00:56.04 | buu | Hrm. Isn't there a hardware wizard? |
| 00:56.18 | buu | Er, hardware detection magic. |
| 00:56.19 | worthy | is ther such a thing as downloading widget styles like "keramik" |
| 00:56.23 | Padnah | Which package from the Debian would you recommend for system backup? |
| 00:56.28 | noiesmo | is there a command to check if network card is 10Mbs or 100Mbs |
| 00:56.33 | benjamindees | _Sam--, how about "I suggest *customizing* the Debian installer" |
| 00:56.50 | benjamindees | Padnah, tar |
| 00:57.44 | benjamindees | sylvisj, man chmod |
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| 00:59.27 | Durin | sylvisj: put yourself in group "src" |
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| 01:00.30 | DarkAgent | how do you unbind |
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| 01:01.23 | buttsmack | I HATE NIGGERS |
| 01:02.10 | bbrazil | noiesmo: mii-tool, ethtool |
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| 01:02.25 | DarkAgent | :) I got x11 working |
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| 01:02.43 | sylvisj | Crap |
| 01:02.46 | sylvisj | How do I fix this? |
| 01:02.46 | sylvisj | configure: error: this packages requires a curses library |
| 01:02.46 | sylvisj | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 01:02.46 | sylvisj | make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
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| 01:02.49 | DarkAgent | finally |
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| 01:03.07 | bbrazil | sylvisj: install the -dev package |
| 01:03.15 | buttsmack | I HATE NIGGERS |
| 01:03.18 | sylvisj | .. huh? |
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| 01:03.33 | sylvisj | Is that the name of it? |
| 01:03.33 | buttsmack | sylvisj, isntall gtk, gcc, or g++ |
| 01:03.42 | Lina | Hello. |
| 01:03.42 | streuner | -buttsmack- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-5-386 [i686/1.79GHz] |
| 01:03.48 | buttsmack | and? |
| 01:03.55 | _edward_ | how do you get openoffice.org 2 to use the current gtk2 theme/engine?, can only get it to use qt styles under kde |
| 01:03.57 | bbrazil | sylvisj: its probaly looking for libncurses5-dev |
| 01:04.06 | streuner | you are a boring troll, go away. |
| 01:04.12 | buttsmack | you're a gay nigger |
| 01:04.12 | sylvisj | I'm thinking so, considering the curses reference... |
| 01:04.13 | buttsmack | go away |
| 01:04.38 | sylvisj | Why can't we get him banned? |
| 01:04.40 | Lina | I'm having problems with my mouse... |
| 01:04.51 | Lina | -_- |
| 01:05.07 | buttsmack | sylvisj, suck my ass you cockloving buttmonkey |
| 01:05.12 | Lina | It constanly jumps around..... |
| 01:05.16 | DarkAgent | where can i get xserver-common 6.90 1-1 |
| 01:05.19 | sylvisj | Buttsmack, that's pretty lame. Go back to windows. |
| 01:05.26 | buttsmack | haha |
| 01:05.27 | DarkAgent | for i386 |
| 01:05.33 | buttsmack | i haven't been on windows is 5 years |
| 01:05.34 | buttsmack | dumbass |
| 01:05.41 | sylvisj | you should be, considering how lame you are. |
| 01:05.46 | buttsmack | you're a dumbass |
| 01:05.49 | buttsmack | go fuck your mom |
| 01:05.55 | streuner | Don't feed trolls... |
| 01:05.59 | noiesmo | bbrazil, cheers |
| 01:06.04 | sylvisj | *doh* I poked the bear. |
| 01:06.14 | sylvisj | IS there a /ignore type command for IRC? |
| 01:06.25 | bbrazil | sylvisj: most clients support it |
| 01:06.33 | sylvisj | KVirc? |
| 01:06.37 | buttsmack | HAHAHA |
| 01:06.43 | buttsmack | goddamn you're ignorant |
| 01:06.46 | sylvisj | Buttsmack, say something |
| 01:06.57 | DarkAgent | Argh |
| 01:06.59 | sylvisj | Looks like this ignore worked |
| 01:07.02 | bbrazil | sylvisj: try it and see :) |
| 01:07.17 | sylvisj | Tried /ignore, haven't heard much from him since I told him to say something |
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| 01:07.24 | orchid | heh |
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| 01:07.54 | sylvisj | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1500 <-- Is this bad? |
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| 01:08.50 | lunitik | sylvisj: doesn't look like it, no... |
| 01:08.54 | bbrazil | sylvisj: quite normal |
| 01:08.55 | drivamgr2006 | doesn't look bad sylvisj |
| 01:09.00 | tung | every since i did an aptitude dist-upgrade from unstable, i cant get xwindows to start, it has something to do with my mouse module not being loaded, but i dont know how to fix it |
| 01:09.11 | buttsmack | i fucked sylvisj's mother a couple of times |
| 01:09.22 | DarkAgent | Can someone help me with xserver? |
| 01:09.25 | lunitik | !ops |
| 01:09.25 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 01:09.35 | sylvisj | Ahh crap |
| 01:09.41 | streuner | DarkAgent: what videocard do you have? |
| 01:09.49 | DarkAgent | Its tnt2 I think |
| 01:09.51 | DarkAgent | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1501 |
| 01:10.16 | buttsmack | Astinus = gay niggerjew |
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| 01:10.21 | tung | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/9ixRdT53.html |
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| 01:10.33 | gravity | Sweet, fast k-line |
| 01:10.39 | sylvisj | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1502 |
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| 01:10.47 | DarkAgent | I need to replace it with dialog for now |
| 01:10.50 | sylvisj | Sooo..... how would I fix this? http://channels.debian.net/paste/1502 |
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| 01:11.06 | streuner | thanks LoRez |
| 01:11.08 | DarkAgent | But apt-get is stuck with a unmet dependencies |
| 01:11.17 | azeem | sylvisj: did you see dmesg? |
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| 01:11.48 | DarkAgent | streuner have any ideas? |
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| 01:11.57 | sylvisj | Yeah, azeem. I'll paste it. |
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| 01:12.12 | streuner | DarkAgent: first, what mouse do you have? USB |
| 01:12.12 | jilocasin | 'ello all |
| 01:12.18 | DarkAgent | It has one |
| 01:12.21 | DarkAgent | kdm is running |
| 01:12.30 | streuner | yeah, USB mouse? |
| 01:12.33 | streuner | or ps/2 |
| 01:12.34 | jilocasin | Can someone help me downgrade e2fsprogs? |
| 01:12.37 | DarkAgent | ps/2 |
| 01:12.43 | DarkAgent | I sometime plug in usb |
| 01:12.50 | streuner | DarkAgent: ok, just use /dev/psaux |
| 01:12.57 | DarkAgent | how do I fix it? |
| 01:13.01 | sylvisj | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1503 <-- dmesg pasted |
| 01:13.04 | nkuttler | jilocasin: get the deb, dpkg -i it |
| 01:13.13 | tung | what happens if i dont have an /dev/psaux |
| 01:13.15 | drivamgr2006 | Yay! msg dpkg ops $problem does work!!! That little tosser has been k-lined... |
| 01:13.17 | streuner | DarkAgent: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:13.19 | drivamgr2006 | Thank you dpkg! |
| 01:13.19 | dpkg | drivamgr2006: no worries |
| 01:13.24 | DarkAgent | um |
| 01:13.34 | tung | mouse wont friggen load |
| 01:13.47 | DarkAgent | it cant connect to x server? |
| 01:13.48 | DarkAgent | :/ |
| 01:13.51 | lunitik | tung: what kernel? (2.6 or 2.4) ... if 2.6, you have psmouse and mousedev loaded? |
| 01:14.01 | DarkAgent | I have to configure it manually |
| 01:14.01 | tung | is xorg better than xf86config ? |
| 01:14.12 | tung | punisher:~# uname -r |
| 01:14.12 | tung | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 01:14.18 | streuner | DarkAgent: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't need X |
| 01:14.20 | DarkAgent | ant |
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| 01:14.32 | DarkAgent | ut dies |
| 01:14.33 | lunitik | tung: lsmod | grep psmouse |
| 01:14.34 | DarkAgent | does |
| 01:14.36 | sylvisj | azeem, any clue whats goin on? |
| 01:14.38 | jilocasin | nkuttler: "dpkg -i e2fsprogs" returs an error |
| 01:14.44 | lunitik | tung: do the same for mousedev... they around? |
| 01:14.50 | nkuttler | jilocasin: why do you want to downgrade? |
| 01:14.55 | DarkAgent | because dialog is removed |
| 01:14.57 | DarkAgent | it has no fallback |
| 01:15.03 | tung | punisher:~# lsmod | grep mouse |
| 01:15.03 | tung | psmouse 17800 0 |
| 01:15.14 | tung | so i have psmouse loaded |
| 01:15.16 | streuner | great |
| 01:15.17 | DarkAgent | Thats why I need someone to get my dialog for i386 |
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| 01:15.32 | tung | but when i do /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 01:15.40 | DarkAgent | or configure xserver by myself |
| 01:15.46 | lunitik | tung: cat /dev/input/mouse ... move the mouse... any output? |
| 01:15.51 | DarkAgent | cd.. |
| 01:15.54 | jilocasin | nkuttler: I've updated from stable to testing and have been biten by the e2fsprogs bug, where it keeps telling me that "Superblock last mount time is in the future" |
| 01:15.55 | lunitik | uhh... mouse0* |
| 01:16.01 | Gnea | mice |
| 01:16.07 | tung | punisher:/dev# cat /dev/input/mice |
| 01:16.07 | tung | cat: /dev/input/mice: No such file or directory |
| 01:16.18 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.21 | tung | no /dev/input direcory |
| 01:16.24 | jilocasin | nkuttler: It's a known bug on bugs.debian.... the solution it says it to downgrade to the previous version |
| 01:16.28 | tung | nope, dont have a /dev/psaux either |
| 01:16.29 | drivamgr2006 | Tung, have you tried using GPM? |
| 01:16.36 | tung | gpm? |
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| 01:16.43 | Gnea | modprobe -r psmouse && mkdir /dev/input && modprobe psmouse |
| 01:16.45 | nkuttler | jilocasin: do you have the previous version of the .deb? |
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| 01:16.58 | jilocasin | nkuttler: I don't think so. |
| 01:16.58 | drivamgr2006 | yep, its a mouse program which allows you to use a mouse in your command line area tung. |
| 01:16.59 | Gnea | and see if /dev/input/ filled |
| 01:17.05 | lunitik | drivamgr2006: if his mouse doesn't work at all... the devices aren't there... then how would GPM be a could next step? |
| 01:17.06 | DarkAgent | ok streuner Im inside conf |
| 01:17.10 | DarkAgent | Im configuring manually |
| 01:17.12 | nkuttler | jilocasin: /msg dpkg snapshot and man dpkg |
| 01:17.12 | jussih | hi, I've got xmame stuck (and hogging the audio device) on my machine, kill -9 pid doesn't work, any ideas? |
| 01:17.14 | noiesmo | how do i set ethernet card to use 100Mb/s not 10Mb/s cards support both link modes running debian sarge |
| 01:17.25 | lunitik | s/could/good/ |
| 01:17.29 | Padnah | benjamindees, what about mondo? |
| 01:17.35 | nkuttler | jilocasin: and look in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 01:18.05 | benjamindees | Padnah, never used it... |
| 01:18.09 | tung | Gnea i did what you told me, now, i have an empty /dev/input folder |
| 01:18.33 | Gnea | tung: what kind of mouse do you have? |
| 01:18.34 | tung | drivamgr2006 will try GPM |
| 01:18.37 | tung | i have an usb mouse |
| 01:18.39 | DarkAgent | can I just remove mouse from xserver? |
| 01:18.43 | tung | dare i say, microsoft |
| 01:18.47 | DarkAgent | its causing too many problems |
| 01:18.48 | drivamgr2006 | it may just be that the mouse input device is wierd... if i cant config a mouse lunitik , i use gpm, and that way i find out whether the mouse is inputting somewhere, or is in fact, totally deap |
| 01:18.49 | Gnea | when you plug it in, does it show up in lsusb? |
| 01:18.49 | streuner | DarkAgent: no |
| 01:18.52 | DarkAgent | :/ |
| 01:18.59 | lunitik | tung: ahh... then why you have psmouse loaded? |
| 01:18.59 | DarkAgent | It cant see any devices |
| 01:19.03 | DarkAgent | Im just on ssh |
| 01:19.10 | streuner | DarkAgent: just use /dev/psaux instead of /dev/input/mice |
| 01:19.15 | DarkAgent | i tried |
| 01:19.25 | DarkAgent | (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/psaux |
| 01:19.31 | tung | drivamgr2006 the thing it is was working before i did something stupid, "aptitude dist-upgrade" on everything |
| 01:19.52 | DarkAgent | Can I emulate the mouse |
| 01:19.52 | streuner | DarkAgent: just on ssh? |
| 01:19.53 | Gnea | tung: lsusb <-- does that produce any output? |
| 01:19.59 | drivamgr2006 | so what did you go from, and what did you go to tung? |
| 01:20.01 | DarkAgent | streuner yes until I get back to the server |
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| 01:20.17 | streuner | DarkAgent: are you trying to start X at your server? |
| 01:20.20 | DarkAgent | yes |
| 01:20.28 | DarkAgent | I cant do anything until its setup |
| 01:20.39 | sylvisj | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1502 <-- what happens when I try to modprobe my sound modules. http://channels.debian.net/paste/1503 <-- what dmesg says. Can someone help me with this? |
| 01:20.40 | DarkAgent | I need to get dialog back and remove xserver |
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| 01:21.41 | Gnea | sylvisj: cat /proc/version <-- that's 2.6.8-2? |
| 01:21.43 | tung | lunitik: i have no idea why i have psmouse loaded, what should i have loaded? |
| 01:21.44 | DarkAgent | What can I do? |
| 01:21.55 | DarkAgent | it wants a core pointer |
| 01:22.00 | sylvisj | Linux version 2.6.8-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 |
| 01:22.14 | Gnea | sylvisj: gcc --version <- ? |
| 01:22.22 | tung | Gnea: o yea, it detects my mouse when i "lsusb" |
| 01:22.25 | tung | punisher:/dev/input# lsusb |
| 01:22.25 | tung | Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 01:22.25 | tung | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 01:22.25 | tung | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 045e:0040 Microsoft Corp. Wheel Mouse Optical |
| 01:22.25 | tung | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 043d:0059 Lexmark International, Inc. |
| 01:22.25 | tung | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
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| 01:22.32 | Gnea | heh |
| 01:22.35 | lunitik | tung: theoretically, hotplug should have just found it... did you try 'lsusb' as Gnea said... twice now? |
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| 01:22.39 | DarkAgent | hm |
| 01:22.41 | tung | ls |
| 01:22.44 | Gnea | nice one |
| 01:22.44 | DarkAgent | do I need to replace psaux? |
| 01:22.45 | sylvisj | gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 01:22.47 | Gnea | !paste |
| 01:22.48 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 01:22.59 | tung | lol, okay, sorry |
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| 01:23.06 | EdLin | !lol |
| 01:23.06 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 01:23.16 | Gnea | tung: is that sarge? |
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| 01:23.19 | tung | damn |
| 01:23.21 | tung | people |
| 01:23.24 | tung | yup, its sarge |
| 01:23.31 | sylvisj | Gnea: gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 01:23.39 | indian | bye |
| 01:23.50 | streuner | DarkAgent: /msg dpkg ssh+x |
| 01:23.55 | drivamgr2006 | thats what i wanted to know tung... you are on sarge, right? |
| 01:24.04 | tung | yup |
| 01:24.09 | tung | im on sarge |
| 01:24.26 | Gnea | tung: lspci | grep audio <- ? |
| 01:24.35 | tung | and then i aptitude dist-upgrade, and rebooted, and now xwindows wont start because of this mouse thing |
| 01:24.41 | DarkAgent | i already have xauth |
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| 01:24.58 | lunitik | Can't be that much being upgraded in stable :| |
| 01:24.59 | tung | punisher:/dev/input# lspci | grep audio |
| 01:24.59 | tung | 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 01:25.07 | _edward_ | :0 |
| 01:25.20 | tung | oh, i had sarge stable |
| 01:25.23 | lunitik | Gnea: you sure that was meant for for? |
| 01:25.24 | xsquared | could anyone help me out with a networking question? its a large question and you need to look at a picture to understand my current network |
| 01:25.33 | lunitik | s/for/him |
| 01:25.36 | lunitik | s/for/him/ |
| 01:25.37 | tung | but then i change the sources.list to unstable, and THEN i did an aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 01:25.40 | sylvisj | And I'm getting left out in the cold. Again. |
| 01:25.41 | sylvisj | YAay. |
| 01:25.53 | EdLin | tung: then you're not using Sarge anymore |
| 01:25.55 | lunitik | tung: then you're using sid.... |
| 01:26.18 | drivamgr2006 | Well there are different protocols for usb mice. I have 2 mice, 1 ps2 and one usb, my usb one uses the imps/2 protocol, the standard one uses Explorer/PS2... so you may need to change the protocol prior to detecting the mouse and using it. |
| 01:26.30 | tung | lunitik: yeah, im using sid |
| 01:26.32 | jilocasin | ?How do I change a symlink into a directory |
| 01:26.36 | Gnea | sylvisj: lspci | grep audio <- ? |
| 01:27.01 | sylvisj | 0000:01:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS |
| 01:27.07 | sylvisj | As I've said so many times, it uses CA0106 |
| 01:27.09 | drivamgr2006 | I hardly use the usb mouse though. it does work normally though, literally flat from plugin. |
| 01:27.11 | Gnea | oh my |
| 01:27.20 | Gnea | sylvisj: and that's a 2.6.8 kernel as well? |
| 01:27.20 | sylvisj | Yeah. That's why I'm having to build the ALSA stuff. |
| 01:27.23 | tung | drivamgr2006 how do i can the protocol? |
| 01:27.24 | sylvisj | Yes. |
| 01:27.31 | drivamgr2006 | One minor question tung... do you have USB compiled into the kernel? |
| 01:27.44 | tung | drivamgr2006 i have no idea |
| 01:27.48 | Gnea | drivamgr2006: stock kernels don't have that |
| 01:28.17 | lunitik | Gnea: uhh... stock kernels don't have usb... or things built in? |
| 01:28.23 | drivamgr2006 | Thats what my prob is. I didnt know if he has a stock kernel or self compiled gnea |
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| 01:28.25 | Roey | hey all |
| 01:28.34 | Gnea | lunitik: usb isn't builtin to stock kernels |
| 01:28.51 | Gnea | drivamgr2006: the version information from /proc/version said so |
| 01:29.08 | sylvisj | So, gnea... how do I fix my prob? |
| 01:29.22 | drivamgr2006 | so maybe he is short on usb support Gnea ? |
| 01:29.24 | xsquared | could someone please look at this: http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=network5fh.jpg and tell me what i have to do to allow me to connect to the 10.0.0.xxx network? |
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| 01:29.53 | tung | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/siplJw64.html |
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| 01:30.17 | tung | but when i do lsusb, it sees that i have a microsoft mouse: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/siplJw64.html |
| 01:30.51 | drivamgr2006 | well the mouse is showing detected that much is certain... |
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| 01:31.23 | _Sam-- | if a box has no users (no user home dirs)...do most all of the writes to the HD happen in the /var directory? |
| 01:31.38 | vittorio | packages.debian.org is down, where can i get libxaw7? i tried ftp.uk.debian.org but cant find it |
| 01:31.39 | drivamgr2006 | I am buggered on this one. If the mouse is detected, what the heck is going on? |
| 01:31.39 | blahdebla1 | _Sam--: you'd expect so... |
| 01:32.03 | _Sam-- | easy enough |
| 01:32.14 | tung | should i try plugging into a different usb port? |
| 01:32.14 | _Sam-- | ty |
| 01:32.34 | sylvisj | Gnea, umm.... any ideas? |
| 01:32.35 | [LoD]niruana | hi all, how do i install irssi on a debian ? |
| 01:32.37 | drivamgr2006 | If you do cat /dev/input/mouse0, does that work? |
| 01:32.42 | tung | and then /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 01:32.51 | xsquared | [LoD]niruana, apt-get install irssi |
| 01:32.58 | [LoD]niruana | uhu is not on it |
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| 01:33.01 | [LoD]niruana | gives error |
| 01:33.06 | xsquared | [LoD]niruana, what error? |
| 01:33.17 | Matt-H | [LoD]niruana: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 01:33.24 | drivamgr2006 | oops gotta go. sorry to be pain in the ass, but i gotta run |
| 01:33.27 | [LoD]niruana | couldnt find package irrsi |
| 01:33.31 | tung | the /dev/input folder is completely empty |
| 01:33.33 | sylvisj | Brb, gonna try a reboot... |
| 01:33.35 | drivamgr2006 | take care see ya later |
| 01:33.38 | drivamgr2006 | sorry tung. |
| 01:33.44 | tung | later |
| 01:34.13 | kronoz | [LoD]niruana: do you have a correct /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 01:34.36 | [LoD]niruana | whats that? :) |
| 01:34.46 | Matt-H | [LoD]niruana: did you try what I said? |
| 01:34.52 | Gnea | ack |
| 01:35.09 | [LoD]niruana | yes Matt-H , Coeldn't find package irssi-text |
| 01:35.25 | [LoD]niruana | but i dident downloaded irssi yes? |
| 01:35.27 | [LoD]niruana | yet |
| 01:35.51 | EdLin | !fundamentals [LoD]niruana |
| 01:35.55 | kronoz | !topic |
| 01:36.01 | tung | can anyone figure this mouse problem out? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Fq4mkv24.html |
| 01:36.18 | Gnea | tung: when you upgraded, did the kernel upgrade as well? |
| 01:36.22 | Matt-H | [LoD]niruana: irssi is the Gnome version (not been developed since 2000 according to the package description), irssi-text is the console version |
| 01:36.36 | tung | Gnea: I dont think so, but i dont know for sure |
| 01:36.36 | [LoD]niruana | i need the console version |
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| 01:37.11 | EdLin | !fundimentals [LoD]niruana |
| 01:37.19 | [LoD]niruana | !fundimentals |
| 01:37.20 | EdLin | phoey |
| 01:37.33 | EdLin | !fundamentals |
| 01:37.34 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
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| 01:37.49 | sylvisj | I'm back |
| 01:37.51 | sylvisj | The modprobing went alright, but aumix still doesn't see a card |
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| 01:38.10 | sylvisj | I think I might know how to fix this...b rb.. |
| 01:38.29 | Matt-H | [LoD]niruana: sounds like what kronoz said. (I don't have an 'irssi' package, but do have 'irssi-text' which is the console one) |
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| 01:39.04 | meneg | im trying to purge some kernel-images and it's stuck after fixing grub's menu.lst. any ideas? |
| 01:39.27 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 01:39.27 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen rabid badgers. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 01:39.35 | tung | Gnea: one thing, when i try to upgrade udev, i get errors, i need a higher kernel, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/DYDUNV11.html |
| 01:39.50 | PsySine | hello i recompiled the kernel but i have problems with the network, both cards seem to work perfectly except they cannot sent or receive any data. what could i have done wrong? |
| 01:39.52 | meneg | (just stuck there, no error messages, ctrl-c aborts and makes apt print the usual error) |
| 01:39.57 | xsquared | could someone please look at this: http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=network5fh.jpg and tell me what i have to do to allow me to connect to the 10.0.0.xxx network? |
| 01:40.07 | meneg | EdLin: funny |
| 01:40.10 | [LoD]niruana | Matt-H then why do i get that "Couldn't find package irssi-text |
| 01:40.16 | Gnea | tung: udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted. |
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| 01:40.27 | EdLin | meneg: it makes the items randomly |
| 01:40.37 | Matt-H | [LoD]niruana: like kronoz said, maybe you need to check your /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 01:40.54 | meneg | EdLin: meaning? |
| 01:41.04 | tung | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/rgOHhV58.html |
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| 01:41.29 | EdLin | meneg: for each item it chooses amongst a list at random |
| 01:41.37 | meneg | ah k |
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| 01:41.59 | Gnea | tung: right, you can't use udev unless you upgrade the kernel - but that version of udev isn't in sarge |
| 01:42.11 | [LoD]niruana | there is nothing in it like irssi Matt-H |
| 01:42.18 | Gnea | tung: which means you've gone to etch or sid |
| 01:42.18 | kronoz | [LoD]niruana: http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 01:42.19 | tung | Gnea: ic, so does this mean that i need to upgrade the kernel? |
| 01:42.19 | sylvisj | Grr |
| 01:42.23 | sylvisj | In Vi, how do I save a file? |
| 01:42.26 | Gnea | tung: yes |
| 01:42.41 | tung | Gnea: what does doesnt etch and sid stand for anyway? |
| 01:42.47 | kronoz | <sylvisj>: pres esc then :wq |
| 01:42.52 | Gnea | tung: testing and unstable, respectively |
| 01:43.06 | meneg | who was etch? |
| 01:43.12 | petemc | a sketc |
| 01:43.14 | petemc | h |
| 01:43.16 | meneg | ah yea |
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| 01:43.21 | Gnea | yeah :) |
| 01:43.39 | tung | Gnea: man, is the kernel upgrade complicated? whats the simpliest route? |
| 01:43.40 | astronut | Gnea: i always misread your nick as GNAA, drives me nuts |
| 01:43.40 | meneg | time to get to shrek |
| 01:43.46 | bubba | tung: they are all characters in toystory |
| 01:43.46 | meneg | were running out of names |
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| 01:43.54 | meneg | donkey would be unstable |
| 01:44.04 | sylvisj | GRR |
| 01:44.04 | sylvisj | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 01:44.35 | bbrazil | meneg: sid is always unstable |
| 01:44.49 | meneg | yea but testing and stable is running out of names |
| 01:44.51 | tung | bubba: i didnt know sid and etch were character names |
| 01:45.02 | EdLin | tung: if you can't figure these sorts of things out you really shouldn't be running sid/unstable |
| 01:45.05 | sylvisj | Sid is the kid, etch is the etch a sketch... |
| 01:45.12 | tung | EdLin: im learning |
| 01:45.13 | astronut | sid is the kid who breaks toys |
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| 01:45.20 | astronut | who's left? |
| 01:45.25 | sylvisj | Umm |
| 01:45.26 | sylvisj | Buzz? |
| 01:45.28 | meneg | experimental should have gotten a name too |
| 01:45.30 | sylvisj | how od I fix this? |
| 01:45.30 | sylvisj | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 01:45.33 | astronut | no, they used buzz already i think |
| 01:45.36 | EdLin | tung: you should learn with Sarge, not with something that makes you have to constantly debug things |
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| 01:45.45 | bubba | hey, a question, are there problems with the pgp signing of unstable? cause I'm getting errors |
| 01:45.49 | profoX` | hello |
| 01:45.56 | meneg | sarge could always be for stable anyway |
| 01:46.02 | meneg | the soldier and stuff |
| 01:46.05 | Matt-H | bubba: checked the topic? |
| 01:46.10 | profoX` | bubba, i think thats because of the newer apt-get |
| 01:46.11 | astronut | buzz was the first one |
| 01:46.14 | EdLin | meneg: Sarge used to be testing, while Woody was stable |
| 01:46.20 | meneg | ye |
| 01:46.29 | tung | yeah, i had sarge for a while, and wanted to install beagle and other unstable s/w |
| 01:46.33 | meneg | my first was potato:p |
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| 01:47.51 | sylvisj | Ok, seriously, I need help |
| 01:47.54 | sylvisj | fixing this: |
| 01:47.54 | sylvisj | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 01:48.05 | meneg | alsaconf? |
| 01:48.17 | xsquared | alsa-project.net |
| 01:48.18 | jilocasin | nkuttler: Well I've fixed the "Superblock last mount time is in the future" problem, though I'm not really sure what I did..... |
| 01:48.24 | sylvisj | !!! |
| 01:48.24 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:48.25 | sylvisj | Thanks |
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| 01:48.46 | Tortel | !csh |
| 01:48.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, csh is http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ or BSD's standard shell, and very useful, or perverse, or considered harmful |
| 01:48.46 | bubba | profoX`: I'm getting GPG errors, updating my package listings |
| 01:48.47 | xsquared | no, your my osh prompt |
| 01:48.49 | xsquared | :P |
| 01:48.57 | sylvisj | ... oh my god |
| 01:49.02 | xsquared | osh is worse |
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| 01:49.22 | sylvisj | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1504 |
| 01:49.24 | noiesmo | hey all I have two debian systems connect local area network and the transfer rate(scp) between them is only 875KB/s is there a way to increaese this both stable debian installs |
| 01:49.24 | sylvisj | GRR |
| 01:49.43 | __BlackCrow__ | çäàðîâà íàðîä, åñòü êòî-òî èç Ñëîâÿí??? |
| 01:49.57 | zinx | !ru |
| 01:49.57 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 01:50.13 | sylvisj | I'm still needing help. http://channels.debian.net/paste/1504 How do I fix this? |
| 01:50.17 | meneg | wow jack output plugins finally work for me by upgrading to 2.6.15 |
| 01:51.11 | meneg | negative, only on mplayer, not xmms |
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| 01:53.01 | OHPhoneGuy | Does anyone know a program that will take a series of .jpgs and create an animated .gif or a movie file? |
| 01:53.27 | azeem | OHPhoneGuy: there is one in imagemagick I think |
| 01:53.36 | caphuso | OHPhoneGuy: mencoder |
| 01:53.48 | sylvisj | Azeem, can ya help me out? Alsaconf saw my card and set ti up, but I'm still getting this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1504 |
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| 01:54.25 | Fluten | is there a way i can map a key on my keyboard to be a mouse button? i want to use my trackball with my right hand and be able to click with my left. |
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| 01:54.39 | azeem | sylvisj: are the modules loaded? |
| 01:54.55 | sylvisj | Should be |
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| 01:55.57 | sylvisj | yeah, they're loaded |
| 01:56.59 | sylvisj | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1505 |
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| 01:57.29 | Gnea | tung: sorry, was afk - yeah, what commands did you use to upgrade the system again? |
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| 01:58.27 | Gnea | sylvisj: you've got the OSS and ALSA drivers loaded at the same time. aumix is an OSS sound application, you would want alsamixer |
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| 01:58.34 | Axioplase | Hi! |
| 01:58.40 | sylvisj | How do I unload the unneeded ones? |
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| 01:58.48 | Axioplase | Is there a package for java1.5 ? |
| 01:59.02 | azeem | sylvisj: sorry, no idea then |
| 01:59.14 | sylvisj | Gnea: How do I unload the unneeded modules? |
| 01:59.31 | Gnea | sylvisj: look at your lsmod output - cs5530 and cs5520 are there |
| 01:59.46 | sylvisj | .... that means...? |
| 01:59.51 | Gnea | sylvisj: you also need to make sure they don't load at bootup |
| 02:00.03 | Gnea | you can't use OSS and ALSA together, only one or the other |
| 02:00.04 | phogg | !tell Axioplase about java-package |
| 02:00.06 | sylvisj | I know |
| 02:00.10 | sylvisj | I don't know how to force them |
| 02:00.18 | Gnea | is udev running? |
| 02:01.34 | sylvisj | I don't know how to find out... |
| 02:01.46 | Axioplase | phogg: thanks |
| 02:02.16 | sylvisj | Gnea, how do I find out if it is? |
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| 02:02.26 | Gnea | ps axf | grep udev |
| 02:02.40 | sylvisj | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.55 | Gnea | it's not running |
| 02:03.02 | sylvisj | modprobe udev? |
| 02:03.04 | Gnea | ps axf | grep hotplug |
| 02:03.10 | Gnea | udev is a daemon, not a module |
| 02:03.18 | sylvisj | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.04 | phogg | ouch |
| 02:04.06 | sylvisj | So.... |
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| 02:04.22 | Gnea | so how are modules being loaded? anything in /etc/modules? |
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| 02:05.23 | sylvisj | Yeah, nothing related to sound |
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| 02:05.42 | OHPhoneGuy | caphuso: mencoder only does video to video |
| 02:05.46 | Gnea | are you sure? |
| 02:06.01 | Gnea | sylvisj: paste the contents to the site |
| 02:06.13 | sylvisj | ide-cd, ide-disk, ide-generic, psmouse, sbp2, sd_mod, sr_mod |
| 02:06.21 | Gnea | ah |
| 02:06.35 | Gnea | then how did the cs* modules get loaded? commandline? |
| 02:06.47 | sylvisj | cs? The running sound ones? I have no clue |
| 02:06.51 | sylvisj | I haven't loaded them that I know of |
| 02:06.52 | caphuso | OHPhoneGuy: oh, then you should tell the mplayer devel team that the example titled "Encode all *.jpg files in the current directory" in the man page is useless |
| 02:06.52 | ludenstam | anyone know if it's possible to install system om a hw raid mirror on 2 x sata on ICH5R ? |
| 02:07.03 | Gnea | ok, ps auxf <- paste that please |
| 02:07.10 | ludenstam | I've booted knoppix now.. and it finds each disk as a single disks and not raids |
| 02:07.50 | sylvisj | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1506 |
| 02:07.56 | devicenull | so uh, the svn stuff with debian is 1.1.4, but the latest release is 1.3.0 |
| 02:08.05 | devicenull | is there any update coming for it? |
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| 02:08.18 | sylvisj | That's because the stuff in repositories are usually outdated |
| 02:08.20 | Kovecses | is gnome 2.12 possible on sarge? |
| 02:08.22 | poulos | i run a dual-OS system and recently changed from lilo to grub. in the menu.lst, i set XP as last in the boot list after some Linux kernels. but the system boots to XP by default. how to do it right? |
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| 02:08.44 | _rene_ | devicenull: it's already uploaded AFAIS but needs manual approval |
| 02:08.55 | ludenstam | poulos: change the default from whatever to 0 ? |
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| 02:09.15 | ludenstam | poulos: or if you perhaps have it as "saved" it boots whatever was booted last |
| 02:09.36 | _rene_ | devicenull: and then it is targetted at experimental, not sid. ask the maintainer why |
| 02:10.10 | devicenull | well, I cant view the packages list :/ |
| 02:10.11 | Gnea | sylvisj: my suggestion then is to just reboot and see what modules "fall into place" |
| 02:10.15 | sylvisj | Will do. |
| 02:10.22 | streuner | hm |
| 02:10.36 | poulos | ludenstam: XP is partition 0, Linux is 3. the device had been set to hd0,0 for XP and hd0,2 for Linux. is that to be corrected? |
| 02:10.43 | Kovecses | is gnome 2.12 possible on sarge? |
| 02:10.43 | Gnea | nothing like living on the edge *sigh* |
| 02:11.18 | ludenstam | poulos: yes it is, but up in the top of menu.lst there is a setting for default |
| 02:11.46 | Axioplase | phogg: err.. as a user, I run fakeroot blabla, and it tells me that I am root, and shouldn't... :/ |
| 02:11.58 | ludenstam | poulos: and it's the option counted from the top, so if you got XP first in the menu.lst, it will boot xp if default is 0, if linux is second.. ten change default to 1 |
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| 02:15.52 | scruffy | I just upgraded openoffice.org (I'm in testing), and my fonts are, yet again, humongous. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 02:15.54 | sylvisj | Alright, gnea - back on a fresh boot |
| 02:15.56 | sylvisj | What should I check? |
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| 02:16.27 | Gnea | sylvisj: output of lsmod and dmesg |
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| 02:17.24 | useruser | are there any tools for data recovery from old cdroms that give CRC errors? |
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| 02:18.06 | sylvisj | gnea: Here's the output of both http://channels.debian.net/paste/1507 |
| 02:19.19 | Axioplase | useruser: you might want to try http://www.afrotechmods.com/cdfix/cdfix.htm at your own risks |
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| 02:20.57 | useruser | Axioplase: thanks. i'm also going to look at ddrescue |
| 02:21.28 | poulos | ludenstam: have a look at #flood |
| 02:21.59 | useruser | Axioplase: hmm that page is even more extreme than the toothpaste method! :) |
| 02:22.04 | sylvisj | Hows it coming, gnea? |
| 02:22.17 | Gnea | sylvisj: doesn't look right. cat /proc/version ? |
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| 02:23.17 | Axioplase | :) |
| 02:23.30 | Gnea | sylvisj: also: lspci -v -v |
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| 02:24.11 | sylvisj | Linux version 2.6.8-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 |
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| 02:25.05 | sylvisj | Gnea: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1508 for the lspci stuff |
| 02:25.31 | Gnea | sylvisj: ok, update-pciids <- run that then lspci -v -v again |
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| 02:25.58 | Axioplase | Anyone knows why installing Java as a user with fakeroot fails, telling me to use fakeroot as a user to install it ? |
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| 02:26.57 | h3xis | can anyone recommend me a good vnc viewer? |
| 02:27.25 | poulos | can someone have a look at #flood and tell me why my system is still booting XP by default? |
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| 02:27.34 | Gnea | xvncviewer |
| 02:27.40 | sylvisj | Gnea: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1509 |
| 02:27.50 | h3xis | thanks gnea |
| 02:29.05 | jilocasin | does anyone know how I get the public key for an apt source |
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| 02:31.04 | sylvisj | Any idea, gnea? |
| 02:31.48 | Gnea | sylvisj: ok, i was wrong, those cs* modules are IDE drivers. what's the output of: modinfo snd-ca0106 ? |
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| 02:31.59 | HOPLITE | khm khm...hello everyone ;) installed debian sarge couple of days ago...anyone having problems with sound?i am not able to play sound from more than one source...any solutions? |
| 02:32.20 | Gnea | sylvisj: and cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 02:33.08 | mcm_ | are there any vim user that can confirm that 'set b:tw=79' doesn't work on latest vim packages? |
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| 02:33.11 | sylvisj | Gnea: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1510 |
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| 02:34.12 | Gnea | sylvisj: is alsamixer installed? |
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| 02:35.02 | Lilldude10 | trying to set up wireless |
| 02:35.15 | sylvisj | I don't think it is |
| 02:35.17 | Lilldude10 | when i give it wep key it wont bring up dhcp client |
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| 02:35.19 | sylvisj | If it isn't, I don't know where to get it |
| 02:35.26 | HOPLITE | Gnea,no,it seems OSS is running |
| 02:35.28 | Lilldude10 | any ideas |
| 02:35.42 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 02:35.42 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little K-Y jelly, and a dozen three-legged bunnies. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 02:36.06 | Gnea | sylvisj: apt-get install alsa-utils |
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| 02:36.25 | HOPLITE | you mean me,gnea :) |
| 02:36.34 | Lilldude10 | ok dpkg i can give you that |
| 02:36.47 | Gnea | HOPLITE: pardon? |
| 02:37.20 | HOPLITE | sorry,for a moment i tought someone answered on my question....i cant play sound from more than one source :) |
| 02:37.28 | sylvisj | It's installed now |
| 02:37.57 | jilocasin | 'ello |
| 02:38.03 | nvz | Pedro420: yeah the swelling went down and there was no infection. I apperently had severe cotton mouth. |
| 02:38.42 | buu | Hrm. How do I startx without having a mouse plugged in? It keeps complaining about not being able to open /dev/input/mice |
| 02:38.57 | caphuso | buu: AllowMouseOpenFail option, IIRC |
| 02:39.18 | buu | caphuso: Sorry, where is that? |
| 02:39.26 | caphuso | buu: x server config file |
| 02:39.31 | caphuso | where else? |
| 02:39.32 | Gnea | HOPLITE: unless your soundcard has a proper hardware mixer dsp or multiple dsps, you'll need a software multiplexor, like esound or the arts daemon |
| 02:39.37 | buu | caphuso: I don't have anything with 'Allow' in it, where should I add it? |
| 02:40.01 | Gnea | sylvisj: alsamixer should work now |
| 02:40.08 | caphuso | buu: probably server section. but check the docs first |
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| 02:42.49 | sylvisj | SOUND |
| 02:42.50 | sylvisj | IT WORKS |
| 02:42.51 | sylvisj | Thanks a ton |
| 02:42.57 | sylvisj | Time to copy my mp3s onto the shared partition |
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| 02:43.38 | ceeto | Hey all. I have a samba 'member workstation/server' setup. I've joined it to the domain. I can getent passwd/groups and see everybody, but I can't get users through to shares .. just prompts for username/password .. Any suggestions? |
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| 02:43.59 | jilocasin | nevermind.... I think I've figured it out.... |
| 02:44.21 | Coweater | running testing, my machines seems to crash (hard lock, no reponse at keyboard or network) weekly, i executed all my cron jobs and they don't seem to be doing it, where else can i look? |
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| 02:44.48 | mrbigcz | Can anybody tell me how to move whole data from old HDD to new one ( as well as partition structure) ? thx u |
| 02:45.03 | ceeto | ghost? |
| 02:45.17 | caphuso | mrbigcz: read the hard disk upgrade howto |
| 02:45.21 | buu | caphuso: Thanks, it worked great. |
| 02:45.40 | Lilldude10 | so no can help me yikes |
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| 02:45.49 | ceeto | Where does pam.d log authentication attempts? |
| 02:45.57 | caphuso | ceeto: /var/log/auth.log |
| 02:46.01 | vezult_ | ceeto: auth.log? |
| 02:46.07 | ceeto | Thansk. |
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| 02:47.30 | jilocasin | night all |
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| 02:54.09 | ceeto | Hey all, where would I find the pam module "pack_stack.so" ? It doesn't seem to be installed with the base system or any of my packages ... |
| 02:54.21 | dondelelcaro | !+find pack_stack |
| 02:54.23 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 02:55.25 | bbrazil | there's a pam_stack (not in debian) |
| 02:55.55 | bbrazil | but I think @include does the same job |
| 02:56.08 | caphuso | bbrazil: yeah |
| 02:56.21 | ceeto | sorry, pam_stack.so |
| 02:56.27 | vezult_ | i keep seeing the following: |
| 02:56.29 | vezult_ | david@zepto:~/downloads$ tar |
| 02:56.29 | vezult_ | bash: -c: option requires an argument |
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| 02:56.47 | vezult_ | if i supply the full path to tar, it runs normally |
| 02:56.59 | bbrazil | vezult_: 'which tar' |
| 02:57.11 | vezult_ | no tar alias exists, nor any tar binary in my path except /bin/tar |
| 02:57.13 | dondelelcaro | vezult_: and also tell us what alias tar returns; |
| 02:57.15 | bbrazil | also, 'alias tar' |
| 02:57.49 | bbrazil | hash -r |
| 02:57.51 | vezult_ | david@zepto:~/downloads$ alias tar |
| 02:57.51 | vezult_ | bash: alias: tar: not found |
| 02:57.51 | vezult_ | david@zepto:~/downloads$ which tar |
| 02:58.01 | vezult_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.11 | caphuso | vezult_: if you're using bash, then try "type tar" |
| 02:58.12 | dondelelcaro | vezult_: well, if it's Debian's tar, tar returns requires one of -Acdtrux.... |
| 02:58.50 | vezult_ | type tar returns: tar is /bin/tar |
| 02:59.18 | caphuso | vezult_: does running /bin/tar show the same problem? |
| 02:59.18 | darkcmd | debian's tar is different than other tars? |
| 02:59.26 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'pack_stack' returned no results. |
| 02:59.28 | vezult_ | dondelelcaro: david@zepto:~/downloads$ tar -xzf VMwar* |
| 02:59.30 | vezult_ | bash: line 1: -xzf: command not found |
| 02:59.49 | vezult_ | so it's not just that it requires one of those |
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| 03:00.12 | vezult_ | caphuso: no, /bin/tar works normally |
| 03:00.29 | dondelelcaro | vezult_: do you have tar function defined? |
| 03:00.36 | Kovecses | sarge is the man |
| 03:00.55 | bbrazil | darkcmd: it seems consistant with solaris at least |
| 03:01.33 | vezult_ | dondelelcaro: can I do that for my general bash environment? If I can, and do, I am unaware of it. |
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| 03:01.36 | Kovecses | is it safe to add stuff to bootmisc.sh? |
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| 03:02.13 | Guerin | Kovecses: depends what stuff |
| 03:02.23 | Guerin | Kovecses: is it safe to drink liquids? |
| 03:04.03 | vezult_ | doh! |
| 03:04.22 | vezult_ | i've got a ~/bin/tar. |
| 03:04.46 | vezult_ | i looked right at (but past) it earlier, i suppose. |
| 03:04.47 | Guerin | vezult_: that you just forgot about? |
| 03:05.01 | vezult_ | Guerin: apparently. |
| 03:05.40 | vezult_ | I think i was testing a transparent dchroot <command> thing |
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| 03:05.59 | sylvisj | How do I copy a directory? |
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| 03:06.05 | Daedalus_ | cp -r |
| 03:06.06 | vezult_ | and forgot to remove the symlink |
| 03:06.08 | sylvisj | Ty |
| 03:06.22 | vezult_ | anyway, thanks for the help. |
| 03:06.47 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:06.51 | sylvisj | Awesome |
| 03:06.58 | sylvisj | Now that I have sound and video, time to start on Wine |
| 03:07.09 | Guerin | ecch |
| 03:07.10 | Guerin | why? |
| 03:07.15 | sylvisj | Games... why else? |
| 03:07.28 | Guerin | why not just run windows if you want to play games/ |
| 03:07.29 | Guerin | ? |
| 03:07.34 | sylvisj | I don't like windows.... |
| 03:07.40 | Guerin | well |
| 03:07.50 | Guerin | win'e not a whole barrel of laughs either |
| 03:07.55 | Guerin | wine's |
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| 03:07.59 | _Sam-- | what is the command to show which libs are required for a binary? |
| 03:08.00 | vezult_ | vmplayer is though |
| 03:08.01 | sylvisj | Yeah, I know. |
| 03:08.18 | sylvisj | -but- I can at least play games on a good o/s with WINE. |
| 03:08.19 | vezult_ | if you don't care about the non-free aspect of it |
| 03:08.22 | Daedalus_ | Dedicated windows box w/ graphics card + KVM + linux box = best of all worlds |
| 03:08.32 | sylvisj | :( |
| 03:08.43 | sylvisj | I have the box w/ graphics card.. it's not dedicated, though. |
| 03:08.49 | sylvisj | still need the separate linux box :( |
| 03:09.12 | sylvisj | 7800GT <3 |
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| 03:13.37 | sylvisj | Hmm |
| 03:13.38 | sylvisj | Alright |
| 03:13.46 | sylvisj | Now that my sound card is working |
| 03:13.52 | sylvisj | how do I set it to work in 5.1ss? |
| 03:15.02 | Guerin | sylvisj: what card? |
| 03:15.34 | sylvisj | You should know this by now, you tried so long to help set it up... onboard SB live, CA0106 |
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| 03:15.58 | ankon | hi. does anyone know the irc name of Alastair McKinstry (or perhaps IS alastair?) |
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| 03:16.35 | EleckttrusS | I have webcam (creative notebook) because no rulez in my debian.... i install module ov511 and no rulez! |
| 03:17.10 | ankon | EleckttrusS: and you are sure that your webcam is an ov511? |
| 03:17.30 | devicenull | I need to find a later version of subversion, but packages is down |
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| 03:17.52 | devicenull | any suggestions? |
| 03:18.03 | sylvisj | Aaand guerin is gone again. |
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| 03:19.00 | EleckttrusS | ankon, no! |
| 03:19.01 | Guerin | sylvisj: well, if you'd address me, I might pay attention. |
| 03:19.14 | EleckttrusS | ankon, mi webcam is creative notebook! |
| 03:19.30 | Guerin | sylvisj: as it is, I just figure you're some fool going 'omg i cnt maek teh knopix werkz!!!' |
| 03:19.35 | sylvisj | Guerin: Onboard SB Live, CA0106 |
| 03:19.52 | Guerin | sylvisj: does it actually do 5.1? |
| 03:19.58 | sylvisj | Yes... did it fine in Windows. |
| 03:19.59 | Guerin | an onboard card which can do 5.1 ...? |
| 03:20.03 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
| 03:20.12 | sylvisj | It's the onboard sound on the MSI K8N Neo4 Diamond. |
| 03:20.33 | sylvisj | A pretty bastardized Audigy renamed SB Live, using the CA0106 chip. |
| 03:20.56 | devicenull | how come apt-get -t unstable update updates stable rather then unstable? |
| 03:20.58 | Guerin | if the alsa driver doesn't do it, I'd expect you'd be out of luck. Might ask #alsa what you need to do, though. |
| 03:21.05 | sylvisj | Will try. |
| 03:21.21 | Guerin | devicenull: because you didn't real man apt_preferences? |
| 03:21.41 | devicenull | that could do it ;0 |
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| 03:22.28 | sylvisj | Shit, no one in #alsa is there. |
| 03:24.53 | Guerin | sylvisj: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13366 |
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| 03:25.32 | sylvisj | I'll read that, was just seraching google |
| 03:26.23 | Guerin | goodgood |
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| 03:27.42 | sylvisj | ... shit... looks like I need to find a software mixer for linux. |
| 03:28.15 | mcm_ | does anyone know how i can convert ram audio into mp3 ? |
| 03:28.45 | Guerin | mcm_: you probably can't, except by recording it and re-encoding it |
| 03:28.56 | Guerin | which will be *very* lossy |
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| 03:29.06 | sylvisj | aumix: no device found |
| 03:29.09 | sylvisj | Hmm.... |
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| 03:29.23 | mcm_ | Guerin: thanks! |
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| 03:32.09 | afabian | Does Enlightenment support a feature like fvwm's pager has, arbitrary positioning between pages of your desktop, instead of clicking into place on a screen? Enlightenment seems to have more style, (though I imagine both dress up nicely if you take enough time), but there are a few fvwm features I've grown quite accustomed to. |
| 03:32.38 | jae | question on amd64: I can't just change my motherboard to an athlon 64 and expect it to work... or can I? |
| 03:33.28 | sylvisj | It's still testing afaik... |
| 03:33.45 | sylvisj | You'll have to get a new mobo and cpu, and reinstall windows if you run it. |
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| 03:33.51 | sylvisj | Linux should still work... |
| 03:34.10 | sylvisj | If you want the 64bit distro to work, you have a lotta work to do, though |
| 03:34.53 | Guerin | and not very much benefit |
| 03:35.11 | sylvisj | Depends on the apps that are 64b and aren't |
| 03:35.38 | sylvisj | :s This audio thing is gonna anger me |
| 03:35.54 | sylvisj | My left front and left right speakers work... |
| 03:36.00 | sylvisj | no sub, no rears, no center |
| 03:36.46 | sylvisj | Looks like I know what the next thing I'm buying is... |
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| 03:37.29 | Guerin | ... a decent sound card. |
| 03:38.20 | sylvisj | Yep. |
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| 03:38.54 | sylvisj | Ehh... $50 lowest. That bites. |
| 03:39.15 | devicenull | there we go |
| 03:39.25 | devicenull | finally convinced apt to get the unstable package list |
| 03:40.02 | sylvisj | I wish I could convince my 5.1ss to work |
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| 03:40.44 | jae | still haven't figured out min, sylvisj... mplayer/vlc got surround sound, but everything else didn't |
| 03:41.08 | sylvisj | Well, if you're using what I am, your sound card doesn't do hardware mixing, it's all software, which few things do. |
| 03:41.13 | sylvisj | I'm trying something other than XMMS now |
| 03:41.18 | jae | and jackd didn't give me 6 output channels either, no idea why |
| 03:41.28 | sylvisj | Heh |
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| 03:41.36 | sylvisj | I was granted the choice between 4 |
| 03:41.53 | jae | mobo built-in audio of an ASUS A7V333... |
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| 03:42.21 | jae | haven't re-tried in months though, might have been improved |
| 03:42.32 | octoberdan | Anyone have any ftp client suggestions? |
| 03:42.32 | Guerin | !onboard |
| 03:42.33 | dpkg | All onboard sound, video, raid, network and modem cards suck great big donkey balls, and there's nothing you can do about it. unless your time is worth nothing, give up and buy a real card. This goes triple for raid. see tardware |
| 03:42.51 | sylvisj | Onboard sound of MSI K8N Neo-4 Diamond, aka SB Live/Audigy LS |
| 03:42.57 | sylvisj | !tardware |
| 03:42.57 | dpkg | tardware is probably the sort of hardware which doesn't have drivers or spec released for it, and consequently doesn't work on any real OS. Notable examples include lexmark printers, winmodems, promise raid cards and cheap digital cameras. Tard if you make 'em, tard if you buy 'em. Ask me about <supported by>. |
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| 03:43.04 | jae | and neither did I test this SB Audigy ZS (won it in a raffle in an MMORPG ;-) |
| 03:43.19 | sylvisj | :( That will work awesomely |
| 03:43.34 | sylvisj | Plug it in, apt-get alsa's stuff, and you're set |
| 03:43.45 | sylvisj | It'll work great, it's using the emu10k1 chipset |
| 03:44.02 | kyncani | octoberdan: gftp ? |
| 03:44.22 | jae | yeah, but my 2.4 kernel doesn't have the module :-/ |
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| 03:44.47 | jae | ;-) |
| 03:44.48 | sylvisj | Doesn't need it, you can apt-get alsa |
| 03:44.55 | sylvisj | Lol |
| 03:45.00 | sylvisj | I'd build my own if I knew enough |
| 03:45.15 | jae | !make-kpkg |
| 03:45.16 | dpkg | from memory, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
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| 03:45.55 | octoberdan | How do you retreive an entire folder and its children through ftp? |
| 03:46.15 | jae | wow, if I could remember I'd tell you :-) |
| 03:46.15 | mike__ | mget? |
| 03:46.36 | jae | memory *is* getting fuzzy with age |
| 03:46.37 | zinx | depends on your ftp client |
| 03:46.38 | sylvisj | Lol |
| 03:46.50 | zinx | BSD ftp probably does not support such a feature |
| 03:46.53 | sylvisj | Jae, I always end up forgetting something I need |
| 03:46.54 | octoberdan | default ftp client |
| 03:47.00 | zinx | "default" probably means BSD |
| 03:47.04 | octoberdan | damn... |
| 03:47.05 | zinx | unless you want to tell me otherwise |
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| 03:47.14 | octoberdan | What should I get for a decent ftp client? |
| 03:47.18 | sylvisj | It never fails me, on my 12 attempted kernel builds, all failed because of missing initrd, or other reasons for kernel panic |
| 03:47.21 | jae | I usually stand in my kitchen going "what the **** did I now want here?" |
| 03:47.44 | ankon | zinx: "bsd ftp ... does not ..." ... my one does :) |
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| 03:47.59 | Guerin | octoberdan: lftp |
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| 03:48.07 | jae | not using initrd helps, even got a 2.6.14 working these past weeks... only if it wouldn't forgot my USB mouse every couple minutes, I'd use it |
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| 03:48.22 | nix4me | secureftp is a nice java gui client |
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| 03:48.34 | Guerin | wtf |
| 03:48.46 | sylvisj | I don't know what all options I'd need for a kernel, and haven't found a good place to learn |
| 03:48.50 | jae | btw, you could probably use wget or that other similar thing for getting an ftp dir |
| 03:49.01 | octoberdan | oh wow |
| 03:49.07 | octoberdan | I didn't realize wget could get a directory |
| 03:49.13 | octoberdan | Handy! |
| 03:49.28 | jae | !wget |
| 03:49.28 | dpkg | i guess wget is an excellent file retrieval utility (HTTP and FTP) with many options, or the command `apt-get install wget wget-ssl` Winner of the greycat award for "Package Whose Man Page is Least Likely to be Read by Newbies". |
| 03:49.34 | Guerin | a java ftp client? |
| 03:49.44 | nix4me | yep |
| 03:49.49 | nix4me | works very well |
| 03:49.54 | nix4me | check it out |
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| 03:50.41 | jae | !curl |
| 03:50.43 | Guerin | why would you use a java ftp client, though? |
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| 03:50.48 | jae | lol |
| 03:50.49 | Guerin | well, come to that |
| 03:50.58 | devicenull | I may have just screwed my system up, hrm this is not good. |
| 03:51.00 | nix4me | because its the best |
| 03:51.03 | wuming | during netinstall, i got error msg "Unable to install initrd-tools" what should i do,? |
| 03:51.06 | nix4me | ive used them all |
| 03:51.06 | jae | curl is an alternative to wget, I use wget, since that's what I know pretty well |
| 03:51.07 | Guerin | why would you use *any* java program for which there existed a sane alternative |
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| 03:51.27 | octoberdan | Guerin: What's wrong with java? |
| 03:51.28 | sylvisj | Java is great on overloading systems. |
| 03:51.36 | devicenull | it seems, that I partially installed glibc, but not fully. |
| 03:51.37 | sylvisj | Takes a lot of cpu power. |
| 03:51.48 | sylvisj | devicenull: apt-get remove glibc, apt-get install glibc |
| 03:52.23 | sylvisj | Then again, I will always sanction java-based Dell busting. Hot, cold, doesn't matter - pour it on and watch. |
| 03:52.28 | paulproteus|lapt | apt-get --reinstall glibc ...? |
| 03:52.39 | sylvisj | wouldn't know, proteus |
| 03:52.45 | mike__ | apt-get -f install? shouldn' thtat fix it? |
| 03:52.51 | devicenull | you would think |
| 03:52.59 | wuming | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.02 | Guerin | octoberdan: it's horribly resource hungry; most java apps need sun java, which isn't free |
| 03:53.02 | Guerin | devicenull: heh. Welcome to unstable. |
| 03:53.03 | Guerin | sylvisj: that's an amazingly stupid thing to say. |
| 03:53.03 | Guerin | apt-get -f install |
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| 03:53.08 | jae | devicenull: what's your shell do? spit out errors, or still work? If the latter, you have a chance... |
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| 03:53.22 | devicenull | http://pastebin.com/495919 |
| 03:53.28 | devicenull | apt-get -f install fails |
| 03:53.32 | sylvisj | Guerin musta had some connectivity problems there |
| 03:53.40 | devicenull | ls fails too |
| 03:53.48 | sylvisj | yeah... device... |
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| 03:53.52 | sylvisj | You look to be pretty gucked. |
| 03:53.54 | sylvisj | fucked |
| 03:54.01 | devicenull | yea, thats basically what I thought |
| 03:54.19 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: ow ow ow. |
| 03:54.25 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: i386? |
| 03:54.28 | sylvisj | Yeah, those dry starts look painful. |
| 03:54.31 | devicenull | yes |
| 03:54.31 | paulproteus|lapt | Yeah, looks like it. |
| 03:54.35 | jae | gucked... fucked + ganked (MMOG slang I think... yes, been playing too much of those, and too little Debian loving ;-) |
| 03:54.41 | sylvisj | Lol |
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| 03:54.47 | sylvisj | I play WoW religiously and haven't heard ofu that one |
| 03:54.57 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: Want me to tar up some files from /lib and give them to you? |
| 03:55.01 | Guerin | is freenode lagging like wicked for you all too? |
| 03:55.03 | paulproteus|lapt | Hmm, but how would you extract them? |
| 03:55.06 | paulproteus|lapt | Static tar, right! |
| 03:55.08 | sylvisj | It was just you, Guerin. |
| 03:55.17 | devicenull | yea, I dont have tar. |
| 03:55.19 | sylvisj | Only your upload apparently. |
| 03:55.29 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: Is this machine on the Internet? What currently works? |
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| 03:55.33 | deadcat_ | how fast is 412 Kbps? |
| 03:55.34 | devicenull | well |
| 03:55.36 | paulproteus|lapt | cat? wget? curl? ssh? |
| 03:55.43 | sylvisj | Umm... 5mbit range |
| 03:55.47 | devicenull | its currently running a bunch of stuff |
| 03:55.48 | sylvisj | 4 maybe |
| 03:55.49 | paulproteus|lapt | deadcat_: Google for "412 kilobits per second in kilobyes per second" |
| 03:55.49 | devicenull | I'm sshed into it |
| 03:55.50 | andromorph | Hi, does anyone know how to how to disable 'rivafb_pan_display START' at boot ? |
| 03:55.57 | sylvisj | My cable runs 477kb/s and it's 5mbit |
| 03:55.57 | deadcat_ | paulproteus|lapt: k |
| 03:55.59 | devicenull | cat works |
| 03:56.01 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: Hmm, okay. Does cat or wget work? |
| 03:56.06 | devicenull | yes |
| 03:56.07 | devicenull | both |
| 03:56.09 | jae | sylvisj: ganking - killing someone a lot lower than you, and not as twinked, who thus doesn't stand a chance |
| 03:56.09 | deadcat_ | sylvisj: so this is about cable as well then? |
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| 03:56.23 | sylvisj | Jae, I kno |
| 03:56.38 | sylvisj | Deadcat, were you referring to 412 kilobits or kilobytes per second? |
| 03:56.47 | roue | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.49 | roue | erg |
| 03:56.56 | sylvisj | Trust me, I know what ganking is, I grief people. A lot. |
| 03:56.58 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: Hmm, does tar work, then? |
| 03:57.02 | ah`kin[debian] | bps haha |
| 03:57.03 | devicenull | nope |
| 03:57.08 | sylvisj | Ewww bps |
| 03:57.12 | devicenull | I could probably reinstall |
| 03:57.13 | sylvisj | *caughbaudcaugh* |
| 03:57.35 | devicenull | although, is libpthread on the install cd |
| 03:57.43 | Guerin | devicenull: you want to boot a livecd or something with a shell, and use the tar, dpkg, etc. thereupon to reinstll known-working libs using dpkg's --root and similar options |
| 03:57.54 | Guerin | devicenull: this is Not Much Fun, but it is doable |
| 03:58.00 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: You might be able to get away with taking libpthread from the install CD, or me. |
| 03:58.07 | paulproteus|lapt | Want me to give you mine from my Sarge server? |
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| 03:58.13 | devicenull | no, thats ok |
| 03:58.18 | devicenull | I have the cd sitting right here |
| 03:58.26 | wuming | I have a testing netinstall cd, can i use it to boot up and then install stable debian? |
| 03:58.28 | deadcat_ | bah. best was is wget a kernel |
| 03:58.36 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: Okay, cool. Try the install CD. |
| 03:58.46 | Guerin | wuming: try it and see |
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| 03:59.15 | sylvisj | Guerin, that's cold :P |
| 03:59.27 | wuming | Guerin: I am trying to edit the source.list replace ethc with sarge |
| 03:59.28 | jae | Guerin's plan might be, in the end, the least painful... |
| 03:59.45 | sylvisj | Grr. I gotta find me a cheap sound card. |
| 03:59.51 | sylvisj | Let me rephrase that: Cheap yet good. |
| 04:00.04 | devicenull | at this point, I'm wondering if its easier to dump my svn repositorys and reformat |
| 04:00.45 | jae | is this a fresh install? or how old is the install? |
| 04:01.31 | jae | repairing from a rescue CD is possible... that's why they're called *rescue* CDs, you know... ;-) |
| 04:01.41 | devicenull | couple months |
| 04:02.04 | devicenull | I'm wondering.. if I shut down the machine, what are the odds it will come back up |
| 04:02.14 | jae | nonexistent |
| 04:02.25 | jae | judging from the errors you got |
| 04:02.40 | devicenull | so is dpkg on the install disc? |
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| 04:03.02 | devicenull | I'm not going to play with apt anymore. |
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| 04:03.04 | jae | logged in via ssh means what I think it does? |
| 04:03.10 | devicenull | ? |
| 04:03.12 | devicenull | no |
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| 04:03.18 | devicenull | the server is in a closet downstairs |
| 04:03.19 | jae | namely, no phys access? |
| 04:03.19 | devicenull | ;) |
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| 04:03.44 | jae | I feel much better now :-) |
| 04:03.49 | devicenull | for me to get a keyboard and monitor to it, I just have to walk down a flight of stairs, unplugin and bring it back. |
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| 04:04.14 | stratus | Is there anybody here using "dual headed" configured ibook? |
| 04:04.34 | devicenull | okay, I think I'm gonna take my chances with a livecd. |
| 04:04.44 | devicenull | lets see what I have floating around |
| 04:05.04 | wuming | is there bugs in testing netinstall cd? |
| 04:05.17 | paulproteus|lapt | stratus: I wanted to, but X kept Sig11ing when I enabled a second head. |
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| 04:05.42 | jae | good luck, devicenull |
| 04:05.47 | devicenull | yea, thanks |
| 04:05.52 | devicenull | its definitely easier to reformat. |
| 04:06.07 | stratus | paulproteus|lapt, in fact i can configure latest xorg to use mergedfb and clone the lcd head, but i want xinerama and not cloned head. There is no enough information just googling around. |
| 04:06.31 | paulproteus|lapt | stratus: Look for Ubuntu hits, too, if that helps... |
| 04:06.32 | jae | but it doesn't build character ;-) (too much Calvin & Hobbes? Impossible. ;-) |
| 04:06.37 | paulproteus|lapt | Or maybe ask in #debianppc? |
| 04:06.42 | stratus | paulproteus|lapt, i did for sure. |
| 04:06.48 | devicenull | well yea |
| 04:06.57 | devicenull | does the install cd have dpkg in it on a form I can use? |
| 04:07.02 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: I think you should be able to scrape yourself out of this one. |
| 04:07.15 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: Did you copy libpthread off the CD? |
| 04:07.16 | deadcat_ | stratus: what machine? |
| 04:07.17 | paulproteus|lapt | If so, did it help? |
| 04:07.21 | deadcat_ | ibook or pbook? |
| 04:07.30 | stratus | deadcat_, ibook |
| 04:07.38 | paulproteus|lapt | deadcat_: /me is on an ibook and would appreciate this too (-: |
| 04:07.39 | jae | install CD is a rescue system too, IIRC... not really needed it (thankfully) |
| 04:07.44 | devicenull | I dont think I can get it off the cd.. its located in the Packages.gz file? |
| 04:07.53 | stratus | radeon 9200 btw |
| 04:07.58 | deadcat_ | stratus: ah. i have clone right now. never tried dual mon . only on the desktop with dual mon |
| 04:08.07 | Elly | well |
| 04:08.09 | Elly | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 04:08.11 | devicenull | or is it somewhere else? I dont have ls, so I cant exactly go playing around on the cd |
| 04:08.12 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: I suggest trying my libpthread. |
| 04:08.20 | devicenull | that may work better then this |
| 04:08.23 | Gnea | Elly: /topic |
| 04:08.24 | paulproteus|lapt | Elly: See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 04:08.27 | stratus | deadcat_, oh i can do cloning too but xinerama seems to be working but the image on the external monitor looks like a mess. |
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| 04:08.37 | palomer | hullo |
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| 04:08.47 | palomer | what's the standard debian apt server? |
| 04:09.00 | peterS | palomer: ftp.debian.org |
| 04:09.05 | stratus | deadcat_, i checked each xorg log line (i basically know tha stuff well). I came here just to see if it's common sense this isnt't working or what |
| 04:09.07 | deadcat_ | stratus: ah. how mess? can i see the Device section? |
| 04:09.08 | Gnea | palomer: www.debian.org |
| 04:09.08 | peterS | or its many mirrors |
| 04:09.25 | paulproteus|lapt | http://www.asheesh.org/tmp/ , devicenull |
| 04:09.37 | devicenull | thanks |
| 04:09.43 | mike__ | palomer: looking for the apt/source servers? |
| 04:09.46 | paulproteus|lapt | libpthread-0.10.so there. Here on Sarge, /lib/libpthread.so.0 -> libpthread-0.10.so |
| 04:09.49 | stratus | deadcat_, looks like a vert/horiz issue but in fact it isn't i left xorg do the autodetection and after that setted manually, same results. |
| 04:10.02 | palomer | mike__: yeah |
| 04:10.06 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: Then test tar, then apt-get clean ; apt-get install --reinstall libc6 |
| 04:10.18 | mike__ | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib |
| 04:10.28 | mike__ | thats what i use anyway |
| 04:10.29 | palomer | mike__: and unstable? |
| 04:10.36 | mike__ | unstable instead of stable |
| 04:10.41 | mike__ | in same line |
| 04:10.55 | devicenull | ah |
| 04:10.57 | devicenull | tar works now |
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| 04:11.12 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: So far, so good.... |
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| 04:11.22 | devicenull | yea, apt-get clean worked |
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| 04:11.40 | peterS | w00t |
| 04:11.52 | devicenull | apt is not liking the --reinstall |
| 04:11.53 | stratus | deadcat_, content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/1511. |
| 04:11.57 | devicenull | oh |
| 04:11.58 | deadcat_ | k |
| 04:12.01 | devicenull | it helps if I use two - |
| 04:12.05 | peterS | hehe |
| 04:12.13 | stratus | deadcat_, thanks |
| 04:12.13 | Elly | aptitude just wanted to remove my whole system |
| 04:12.16 | Elly | why is it so dumb |
| 04:12.32 | Guerin | peterS: are you ok? |
| 04:12.33 | peterS | Elly: maybe it *knows* somehow that you'd rather not be running debian |
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| 04:12.45 | peterS | Guerin: I'm great, thanks |
| 04:12.47 | octoberdan | Thanks guys! wget -r --ftp-user=username --ftp-password=password ftp://ftpsite |
| 04:12.59 | Guerin | peterS: you used w00t, so I thought you might be ill |
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| 04:13.01 | devicenull | I just need to remove g++ and tcl8.4-dev |
| 04:13.06 | paulproteus|lapt | elly: If you don't let it keep track of what you intentionally installed, then it tries to notice what you've *unintentionally* installed and remove them. |
| 04:13.09 | peterS | Guerin: it's an exception to the rule |
| 04:13.09 | devicenull | to get rid of this dependency problem |
| 04:13.12 | mike__ | ocrober: that gets a whole dir? |
| 04:13.17 | palomer | thx! |
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| 04:13.30 | paulproteus|lapt | elly: Like if you aptitude install somepkg, and aptitude brings in libboring for a dependency, when you aptitude remove somepkg, it removes libboring automatically. |
| 04:13.35 | paulproteus|lapt | elly: It can be a nice feature. |
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| 04:13.52 | Elly | paulproteus|lapt: uh..huh...and gedit, gaim, gnome, xchat, and xmms are dependencies of something I removed? |
| 04:14.06 | paulproteus|lapt | elly: No, they're not. aptitude just has no record you meant to install them. |
| 04:14.11 | paulproteus|lapt | aptitude install gedit gaim gnome xchat xmms |
| 04:14.14 | paulproteus|lapt | would "fix" this. |
| 04:14.17 | Elly | I freaking typed 'aptitude install xmms' to get it |
| 04:14.23 | Elly | how could it not know about that =\ |
| 04:14.25 | peterS | paulproteus|lapt: doesn't work that way - if it doesn't know you *didn't* manually install them it assumes you did |
| 04:14.40 | paulproteus|lapt | peterS: Um, I really don't think that's true.... |
| 04:14.46 | paulproteus|lapt | See also, Elly's experience. |
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| 04:14.54 | paulproteus|lapt | Though I guess I could be off-mark here. |
| 04:14.56 | devicenull | /usr/bin/perl: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 04:14.57 | peterS | paulproteus|lapt: you should try it some time - install something with apt-get then run aptitude interactively and notice the lack of "A" flag |
| 04:14.59 | Elly | I installed xmms manually |
| 04:15.00 | devicenull | tar works, perl doesnt. |
| 04:15.01 | wuming | anyone running etch here? |
| 04:15.02 | shmeebegek | hey |
| 04:15.05 | Elly | and it wants to remove it >> |
| 04:15.26 | Guerin | !test |
| 04:15.26 | shmeebegek | it is possible to use pppoe from the "base system" setup wizard? it gives the option for ppp but that's not useful |
| 04:15.26 | dpkg | Sorry, guerin, I didn't get your test. |
| 04:15.27 | xsdg | hdparm claims that my DVD drive is doing UDMA2, but I'm getting 50% system cpu usage when dd'ing a file from the DVD to hard drive (and it's only going at 1.6MB/s); any ideas for what to check? (the main issue is that I can't usably watch DVDs or burn things without buffer underruns) |
| 04:15.32 | Gnea | Elly: let it remove it, then install it again |
| 04:15.33 | shmeebegek | I have a pppoe package |
| 04:15.33 | paulproteus|lapt | ld-linux.so.2 is also damaged for you. |
| 04:15.41 | shmeebegek | but I can't seem to get to a prompt |
| 04:15.42 | paulproteus|lapt | Unless that's not it, devicenull. |
| 04:15.43 | Guerin | !anyone use etch? |
| 04:15.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses etch, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:15.50 | Guerin | graaah |
| 04:15.52 | Gnea | Elly: it won't take out your personal settings |
| 04:15.55 | Elly | Gnea: I'm using xchat |
| 04:16.00 | mike__ | which one is etch? testing? |
| 04:16.03 | Elly | uninstalling it would probably do bad stuff |
| 04:16.04 | peterS | shmeebegek: if you have a pppoeconf package, run pppoeconf. if you can get to a prompt. |
| 04:16.06 | paulproteus|lapt | mike__: Yes. |
| 04:16.11 | paulproteus|lapt | It's usually save to remove programs you're using. |
| 04:16.15 | paulproteus|lapt | Temporarily, at least. |
| 04:16.16 | Gnea | Elly: sid? |
| 04:16.19 | Elly | etch |
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| 04:16.20 | shmeebegek | peterS: But how do I get to a prompt?? |
| 04:16.22 | devicenull | wait, cant I just go to apt's cache and use dpg |
| 04:16.26 | Gnea | even worse :/ |
| 04:16.27 | stratus | mike__, etch will be the next Debian release (slated to a December release). |
| 04:16.30 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: That's right you can. |
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| 04:16.36 | peterS | shmeebegek: from the installer? try alt-f2 |
| 04:16.40 | mike__ | roger...i just call them stable testing and unstable |
| 04:16.44 | mike__ | the names confuse me |
| 04:16.52 | devicenull | lol: find ./ is a decent substitiute to ls |
| 04:16.58 | conreyt | Hiyas all..... running etch having issues with my .avi playback in totem-xine screen goes all choppy in fullscreen. any thoughts? |
| 04:17.02 | shmeebegek | peterS, ah very nice |
| 04:17.02 | peterS | devicenull: or 'echo *' |
| 04:17.05 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: I just use "find". (-: |
| 04:17.10 | paulproteus|lapt | find | grep deb$ |
| 04:17.31 | devicenull | tar gives me the same error perl was. |
| 04:17.35 | stratus | mike__, unstable has the nickname "sid", testing has no nickname and current stable is sarge, the next one will be etch. Do you see? It isn't that hard. |
| 04:17.48 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: Did you successfully install libc6? |
| 04:17.56 | jae | stratus: December? Which year? ;-) |
| 04:17.59 | devicenull | no, it cant seem to unpack it |
| 04:18.02 | paulproteus|lapt | I thought testing's nickname was etch. |
| 04:18.08 | peterS | stratus: 'current testing' is etch in the same way 'current stable' is sarge. it's not a permanent name but it is a name. |
| 04:18.12 | stratus | jae, troll |
| 04:18.19 | peterS | jae: 2003 |
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| 04:18.28 | mike__ | so sarge isn't and wont always be the stable branch? |
| 04:18.35 | mike__ | each stable will be renamed? |
| 04:18.36 | devicenull | alright |
| 04:18.39 | Gnea | mike__: what? |
| 04:18.41 | peterS | mike__: correct |
| 04:18.42 | paulproteus|lapt | mike__: Debian has releases. Sarge is 3.1. |
| 04:18.42 | stratus | peterS, i believe the release team don't share the same view as yours. |
| 04:18.49 | devicenull | I managed to get the deb to my other computer via ftp, where I can extrant the contents |
| 04:18.51 | Gnea | sarge *IS* the stable branch, currently. |
| 04:18.55 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: /me chuckles |
| 04:19.01 | Guerin | conreyt: try xine on its own |
| 04:19.03 | mike__ | i understand now. |
| 04:19.05 | Gnea | but once etch becomes stable, then no, sarge won't be the stable branch |
| 04:19.06 | shmeebegek | peterS: So now I can reboot and it will go back to the wizard, right? |
| 04:19.07 | peterS | mike__: stable just means "the current debian release" and each one has a code name. buzz, rex, bo, hamm, slink, potato, woody, sarge, and next will be etch |
| 04:19.26 | Guerin | conreyt: the problem is likely that you haven't set it to playback using xv, and it's having to scale in software |
| 04:19.44 | Guerin | oh, christ, this lag is too bad |
| 04:19.44 | Guerin | i give up |
| 04:19.46 | peterS | shmeebegek: I'm not real clear on what you're doing or what stage you are in. you can try it, it won't hurt |
| 04:19.54 | stratus | oldstable = woody, stable = sarge, testing = no nickname (ever), unstable = sid (permanent nickname) |
| 04:20.14 | peterS | stratus: uh, testing==etch in the same way stable==sarge and oldstable==woody. why do you leave it out? |
| 04:20.17 | wuming | where i can run "apt-get update" during installation? |
| 04:20.36 | stratus | peterS, testing != etch |
| 04:20.48 | peterS | stratus: where did you get that notion? testing certainly is etch |
| 04:20.49 | Gnea | stratus: incorrect. testing changes periodically. |
| 04:21.10 | conreyt | Guerin: I installed xine on it's own (gxine) and as the setup window goes it says "You can inprove your picture by installing an X11 driver that supports the Xv protocol" |
| 04:21.11 | stratus | testing will be etch |
| 04:21.15 | stratus | we're not in freeze state yet |
| 04:21.23 | ah`kin[debian] | use SID |
| 04:21.40 | peterS | stratus: testing is etch *now*. try it, go to http://ftp.debian.org/dists/testing and http://ftp.debian.org/dists/etch/ and notice that they are the same thing (they're symlinks to each other) |
| 04:21.41 | shmeebegek | peterS: Works thanks |
| 04:21.46 | Gnea | stratus: you smoke crack. testing *IS* etch, right now. |
| 04:21.54 | conreyt | Guerin: I guess I'm unsure atm how to correct that issue with xorg............. |
| 04:22.09 | stratus | it's a wrong concept |
| 04:22.13 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 04:22.13 | dpkg | somebody said ubuntu was not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 04:22.21 | Ironhand | sorry for a not very debian specific question but I figured someone here might know... is there an easy and generally available way to get a list (or count) of available screens in an X server? (for example to be used in .Xsession) |
| 04:22.22 | peterS | stratus: no it's not. it's exactly how debian works. |
| 04:22.22 | Gnea | stratus: you are wrong. |
| 04:22.24 | stratus | you're guiding users to think that Debian project already released etcfh |
| 04:22.28 | stratus | s/etcfh/etch |
| 04:22.38 | Gnea | stratus: no. |
| 04:22.43 | Gnea | !sarge |
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| 04:22.44 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 04:22.44 | stratus | we don't released etch yet, so please stopping spreading this wrong information |
| 04:22.46 | peterS | stratus: no we're not. we're telling users that testing is called etch. that is all. |
| 04:22.49 | Gnea | !etch |
| 04:22.49 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 04:22.52 | Gnea | !sid |
| 04:22.52 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 04:22.58 | mike__ | sorry i brought it up |
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| 04:23.10 | Gnea | stratus: you have been proven wrong. give up now. |
| 04:23.17 | peterS | stratus: DUDE. FTP TO FTP.DEBIAN.ORG AND LOOK IN debian/dists/. YOU WILL SEE THE SYMLINK THAT SAYS "testing -> etch". THEN MAYBE YOU WILL BELIEVE US. |
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| 04:23.31 | Gnea | stratus: who said that etch has been released? |
| 04:23.32 | stratus | calm down guys |
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| 04:23.49 | Gnea | !troll stratus |
| 04:23.54 | devicenull | alright, so ld-linux.so.2 is in what file now. |
| 04:24.05 | devicenull | this is definitely entertaining |
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| 04:24.11 | stratus | Gnea, saying that testing *is* etch right now will confuse users. |
| 04:24.11 | peterS | devicenull: it's part of libc6 |
| 04:24.19 | peterS | stratus: and yet it is the naked truth |
| 04:24.24 | devicenull | no its not. libc6 has a 0KB file in it |
| 04:24.24 | peterS | stratus: you, on the other hand, are spouting lies |
| 04:24.30 | devicenull | named ld-linux.so.2 |
| 04:24.43 | Gnea | !ops stratus is spreading lies about Debian, as a distribution. [11:21PM] <stratus> Gnea, saying that testing *is* etch right now will confuse users. |
| 04:24.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: stratus is spreading lies about Debian, as a distribution. [11:21PM] <stratus> Gnea, saying that testing *is* etch right now will confuse users. |
| 04:24.45 | stratus | i asked you to calm down |
| 04:24.45 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: That's a symlink. |
| 04:24.57 | jae | devicenull: .so.2 is the symlink IIRC |
| 04:24.58 | peterS | stratus: we get annoyed when people spread misinformation which is on-topic. (misinformation that is off-topic is annoying but mainly because it's off-topic, not because it's wrong.) |
| 04:25.00 | stratus | i'm a debian developer trying to inform ppl here |
| 04:25.20 | devicenull | yea, symlink to what though |
| 04:25.23 | conreyt | #xorg |
| 04:25.24 | stratus | the symlink thing needs to be considered, but the project isn't perfect |
| 04:25.29 | Gnea | stratus: I don't follow the advice of people who are in the wrong. |
| 04:25.37 | jd|laptop | stratus, then bring it up on the debian developer lists |
| 04:25.41 | peterS | stratus: I don't believe you. debian developers put their real names in their IRC clients so people will know who they are. they also generally know what is actually true about ftp.debian.org |
| 04:25.47 | devicenull | symlink to libc6? |
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| 04:26.00 | jae | ld-VERSIONNUMBER.so |
| 04:26.00 | helix | peterS: (he actually is one) |
| 04:26.08 | helix | if it's the stratus I'm thinking of |
| 04:26.19 | stratus | helix, i'm Gustavo, yes. |
| 04:26.20 | peterS | helix: pardon me for not believing you either. if he were a debian developer he would have a clue |
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| 04:26.27 | jae | ld-2.3.5.so here (not very up-to-date unstable, so YMMV and all that legal boilercrap) |
| 04:26.31 | stratus | helix, thank you erinn |
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| 04:26.41 | stratus | helix, too much time without joining here |
| 04:26.41 | Gnea | stratus: further, people who refuse to listen to the facts, instead of the fantasy and delusions that have proven to have been conceived within the few cells that compromise your brain. |
| 04:26.47 | helix | peterS: ..why would I lie about that? |
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| 04:26.53 | helix | peterS: there are lots of clueless DDs :) |
| 04:26.53 | ootput | wow Gnea |
| 04:26.54 | stratus | helix, i came and asked anonymously about a xorg issue and after that joined that stupid discussion |
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| 04:27.00 | helix | um so |
| 04:27.10 | helix | how far in scrollback do I need to read to find out wtf is going on here? |
| 04:27.15 | peterS | helix: to prove you know everybody in debian and furthermore recognise them when there's nothing to recognise them by ... I dunno, you probably do believe what you're telling me |
| 04:27.17 | devicenull | what arugment to ls shows the symlink destinations |
| 04:27.19 | stratus | lol |
| 04:27.29 | helix | peterS: no, there's a stratus@debian.org who lives in brazil |
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| 04:27.31 | ootput | devicenull: ls -l |
| 04:27.32 | mike__ | ls -l |
| 04:27.39 | jae | do !etch and read it with a fine-toothed comb... you can actually see stratus` position as correct |
| 04:27.54 | peterS | helix: not sure how far back you have to look to see stratus telling people strenuously that testing is not etch |
| 04:28.07 | Flimzy | Can anyone explain to me why 3 different machines, of 3 different architectures (i386, amd64, powerpc), all complain that the root partition was last mounted in the future *every other* time I boot? |
| 04:28.13 | stratus | do you have a vague idea where we are in the release state? |
| 04:28.15 | ootput | aren't they one in the same? |
| 04:28.17 | peterS | helix: but you have to admit that's not something a debian developer should get wrong |
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| 04:28.21 | Gnea | The latest stable release of Debian is 3.1. The last update to this release was made on December 20th, 2005. Read more about available versions of Debian. |
| 04:28.23 | conreyt | Guerin: I installed xine on it's own (gxine) and as the setup window goes it says "You can inprove your picture by installing an X11 driver that supports the Xv protocol" |
| 04:28.25 | stratus | do you know about britney? |
| 04:28.28 | ootput | sorry, one and the same |
| 04:28.34 | helix | peterS: yes, I've made no claims about stratus's competence :) |
| 04:28.35 | devicenull | what format are deb's? |
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| 04:28.47 | ootput | debs ... |
| 04:28.50 | peterS | devicenull: the format is based on tar, gzip, and ar |
| 04:28.50 | HermanDE | This is funny........ Testing is not Etch? |
| 04:28.51 | helix | but umm, hang on, lemme get to scrollback |
| 04:28.52 | xsdg | devicenull: ar |
| 04:29.03 | devicenull | k, thx |
| 04:29.16 | Gnea | stratus: http://www.debian.org/News/ <-- please read this, tell me where the official news has been announced that etch, AKA testing, has moved into the frozen stage? |
| 04:29.30 | dondelelcaro | stratus: testing is currently a symlink that points to etch; no it's not released. I think most people in here who are answering questions are aware of that fact. If you're a developer, you should be aware of that fact too... |
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| 04:29.56 | dondelelcaro | stratus: any other confusion is just because we're talking using a complex language instead of using namshubs |
| 04:30.01 | ootput | unless he's the devs much younger sibling |
| 04:30.10 | HermanDE | Pondering... Could I install Etch-A-Sketch without Debian testing? |
| 04:30.10 | peterS | now there's a theory |
| 04:30.12 | stratus | dondelelcaro, so testing isn't etch and it will never be |
| 04:30.13 | EdLin | helix: 23:21 < stratus> testing will be etch |
| 04:30.16 | EdLin | 23:22 < stratus> we're not in freeze state yet |
| 04:30.19 | helix | EdLin: yeah I found it |
| 04:30.24 | jd|laptop | stratus, you're thinking too hard |
| 04:30.24 | jae | cool your jets, people |
| 04:30.51 | stratus | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 04:31.02 | Gnea | jae: the jets are at full speed, in mid air. no, suicide is not an option. |
| 04:31.02 | conreyt | arrrgh. anyone got a minute to troubleshoot some issues with xorg, testing, and gxine? Choppy picture = upset wife....... |
| 04:31.06 | stratus | !Also, we're almost in the middle |
| 04:31.07 | stratus | between release of sarge and release of etch, another good reason to look both ways. :)" |
| 04:31.07 | devicenull | okay, its beyond saving on its own now. |
| 04:31.10 | dondelelcaro | stratus: uh... testing is a symlink that points at etch. We're not doing the "freeze the release branch" think anymore |
| 04:31.13 | skon | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.14 | mike__ | help you with an upset wife? no. |
| 04:31.16 | devicenull | I moved ld-linux.so.2 to relink it |
| 04:31.21 | peterS | helix: sumerian? wtf, you don't strike me as the cypherpunk type |
| 04:31.22 | devicenull | and my shell doesnt work anymore. |
| 04:31.24 | helix | stratus: I'm thinking you misunderstood something; but you /are/ wrong |
| 04:31.32 | ootput | skon: trouble upstream? |
| 04:31.32 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: Your shell probably works, just not most of the commands. |
| 04:31.34 | paulproteus|lapt | Like mv and cp. |
| 04:31.40 | ootput | skon: you could always use another dns server |
| 04:31.40 | devicenull | FYI: ld-linux.so.2 is important |
| 04:31.41 | devicenull | yea |
| 04:31.45 | devicenull | mv, cp, ln dont work |
| 04:31.47 | HermanDE | skon: Is it just the browser? |
| 04:31.50 | devicenull | wget doesnt. |
| 04:31.53 | skon | ootput: where can I find a list of dns servers? |
| 04:31.54 | helix | peterS: people sometimes need new and exciting things to read :P |
| 04:31.57 | stratus | dondelelcaro, i see but my point wasn't about the symlink thing. I was saying that pointing users like mike that testing = etch is wrong. If we release etch in December, what's testing? Do you see? |
| 04:32.03 | skon | HermanDE, no I've tried it with FF and lynx |
| 04:32.06 | HermanDE | skon: Can you do a 'time host www.yahoo.com'? |
| 04:32.07 | devicenull | help works. |
| 04:32.11 | peterS | helix: oh I thought snow crash was pretty new and exciting, it just doesn't seem to be your kind of thing |
| 04:32.12 | helix | then testing is ... whatever the RM names it |
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| 04:32.24 | helix | peterS: well, I don't think it's very good, if that helps |
| 04:32.30 | peterS | devicenull: right, almost nothing on the system will work if /lib/ld-linux.so.2 isn't functional |
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| 04:32.34 | HermanDE | skon: What does your /etc/resolv.conf say? |
| 04:32.42 | Gnea | stratus: learn how to read: they *EXPECT* freeze to incorporate on/around July 30, 2006. Today is January 7, 2006. |
| 04:32.43 | stratus | dondelelcaro, i argued about the volatile nature of testing and that it is the base of our next release but can't be considered by the next release' nickname every time. |
| 04:32.48 | skon | HermanDE, 3.321s |
| 04:32.48 | mike__ | isn't dhcp resolve.conf sometwhere else? |
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| 04:32.52 | HermanDE | skon: Then can you do a ping on the dns's listed.... |
| 04:32.58 | helix | peterS: but I do wonder what my kind of thing is -- maybe I'll stop reading books I dislike... |
| 04:33.09 | peterS | helix: it had its weak points, but I thought overall it missed a surprising number of pitfalls that authors usually hit when they talk about technology they don't understand |
| 04:33.13 | dondelelcaro | stratus: it's the next releases nickname; but what it is now isn't what it will be tomorrw... |
| 04:33.13 | skon | HermanDE, nothing in that file |
| 04:33.27 | stratus | Gnea, do you agree with me now? as i said, if we're not in freeze, testing is still a moving target (volatile), it isn't closer to be etch (yet) |
| 04:33.30 | HermanDE | skon: Uh...that should be /etc/resolv.conf.... |
| 04:33.34 | helix | peterS: yeah, the dialog with the librarian is the part that made it slip into "this book is not so good" category |
| 04:33.34 | ootput | stratus: i think you're over-analyzing it |
| 04:33.38 | helix | or dialogue |
| 04:33.38 | wuming | i installed debian, but seems nic module is not loaded |
| 04:33.44 | wuming | how can I config modules? |
| 04:33.50 | skon | HermanDE, it has the names of the dns servers that I specified |
| 04:33.52 | HermanDE | skon: I keep trying to think in english instead of Linux.... |
| 04:33.52 | dondelelcaro | stratus: but that's just a semantic divination; not something to really argue about. |
| 04:33.59 | peterS | helix: maybe I gave stephenson more credit for *that* than I should have. the book overall did have its weak points, most of which I was happy to overlook since he got most of today's technology, at least, right |
| 04:34.00 | HermanDE | skon: Is it names or ip address? |
| 04:34.08 | skon | HermanDE, IPs |
| 04:34.13 | HermanDE | skon: Is your ping time to the ip's good? |
| 04:34.18 | helix | peterS: yes, he did -- it just reminded me too much of dan brown's writing style |
| 04:34.23 | peterS | oh dear |
| 04:34.24 | Gnea | stratus: absolutely no, there is no 'freeze' or 'frozen' symlink on any debian mirror, currently, and no *OFFICIAL* announcement of a date engraved in stone that 'etch' is linked to. |
| 04:34.25 | peterS | not that |
| 04:34.28 | helix | yes, that |
| 04:34.32 | ootput | concepts and techniques has a sample chapter (4?) online if any of you are interested |
| 04:34.33 | stratus | dondelelcaro, i agree with you but don't you agree that saying "testing = etch" to users, is wrong? |
| 04:34.34 | helix | I'm afraid that's who he reminded me of |
| 04:34.39 | HermanDE | skon: Try "time host www.yahoo.com (first dns ip address)" |
| 04:34.44 | ootput | the chapter deals with the various releases |
| 04:34.46 | helix | stratus: we did it with sarge ... they seem to be ok |
| 04:34.46 | kspath | skon: sometimes the primary DNS server(s) are failed or not routable or under maintenance or .... if you rotate them it might be ok |
| 04:34.50 | HermanDE | skon: Then do it with the second...... |
| 04:34.50 | skon | HermanDE, average 5 ms |
| 04:34.51 | paulproteus|lapt | It's a good thing I haven't read any Dan Brown. |
| 04:34.52 | stratus | dondelelcaro, just read the latest Gnea comments. |
| 04:35.01 | dondelelcaro | stratus: testing is currently etch. |
| 04:35.01 | peterS | you've taken the time to read a dan brown book and I haven't! |
| 04:35.04 | helix | paulproteus|lapt: HE'S SUCH A BAD WRITER |
| 04:35.05 | paulproteus|lapt | I wouldn't want to ruin Stephenson.... |
| 04:35.10 | helix | wait what's POL? |
| 04:35.15 | peterS | points & laughs |
| 04:35.17 | ootput | dan brown's material can be done in a day |
| 04:35.20 | peterS | but misspelled |
| 04:35.24 | ootput | err, read in a day |
| 04:35.25 | paulproteus|lapt | lol, peters. |
| 04:35.30 | helix | peterS: for reading dan brown? |
| 04:35.34 | peterS | yes. |
| 04:35.36 | helix | if so, I totally deserve it |
| 04:35.38 | paulproteus|lapt | helix: I have suffered through some Tom Friedman. |
| 04:35.41 | dondelelcaro | stratus: that's what the RMs call it, that's what I call it, that's what the bts says, that's what we say colloquially. |
| 04:35.43 | paulproteus|lapt | God, that was terrible. |
| 04:35.52 | devicenull | yea, im so screwed its kind of funny |
| 04:36.04 | ootput | yukio mishima will fix that |
| 04:36.06 | helix | peterS: anyway, I got some other sf/whatever books -- we'll se.... |
| 04:36.08 | wuming | which module I should modprobe for 3Com Tornado? |
| 04:36.08 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: Yeah, I'll admit it is kinda funny. |
| 04:36.08 | helix | see too |
| 04:36.10 | skon | kspath, is there a way i can find addys of DNS servers close to me? |
| 04:36.11 | dondelelcaro | stratus: what that actually means is rather more complex, but there's nothing wrong with hiding complexity behind a simple concept. |
| 04:36.11 | stratus | dondelelcaro, i'm not sure about the word of others but i see your point. |
| 04:36.18 | paulproteus|lapt | wuming: 3c59x I think.... |
| 04:36.32 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: Also, you got yourself into this particularly bad bit before asking e.g. me.... |
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| 04:36.37 | HermanDE | skon: Who is your isp? |
| 04:36.39 | paulproteus|lapt | skon: 128.151.2.1 |
| 04:36.39 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: [11:18PM] <stratus> peterS, testing != etch |
| 04:36.41 | paulproteus|lapt | Try that DNS server. |
| 04:36.43 | devicenull | well yea |
| 04:36.46 | kspath | skon: close isnt an issue a list of ones that will not block you is contact your ISP and/or network admins |
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| 04:36.53 | skon | HermanDE, Charter ... yuck |
| 04:36.59 | HermanDE | skon: Check with their website about dns servers... |
| 04:37.01 | devicenull | luckly, theres not much on the machine. |
| 04:37.02 | skon | paulproteus|lapt, thanks, will try |
| 04:37.10 | HermanDE | skon: I'm guessing that you are on cable.... |
| 04:37.15 | skon | HermanDE, yes |
| 04:37.21 | kspath | skon: rotate them take the 2nd one and put it first and take the first and put it 2nd |
| 04:37.31 | HermanDE | skon: I've seen more network problems with cable than any other media.... |
| 04:37.34 | dondelelcaro | stratus: in any case, anyone who doesn't understand that etch (or the symlink pointing to etch, testing) is currently moving, and has a general idea of the type of motion involved, shouldn't be using testing at all. I think most people here know enough not to recommend testing to people who haven't understood that point. |
| 04:37.37 | stratus | Gnea, that's my opinion and dondelelcaro isn't a retard he knows what i said. |
| 04:37.42 | paulproteus|lapt | devicenull: SHot in the dark: Is "cat" a shell built-in? |
| 04:37.48 | devicenull | nope |
| 04:38.03 | devicenull | its screwed anyway |
| 04:38.09 | HermanDE | skon: At one time @Home sent me a 255.255.128.0 netmask.. on dhcp..... |
| 04:38.13 | devicenull | I lost the ssh connection and it wont open it back up |
| 04:38.19 | skon | HermanDE, kspath, do i need to rc.d restart after I add a new dns server? |
| 04:38.20 | devicenull | so, Im going to go try with a livecd |
| 04:38.29 | stratus | dondelelcaro, unsure about what you said guided me to ask ppl here to not point mike that testing was equal to etch. |
| 04:38.30 | kspath | skon: no |
| 04:38.33 | jae | devicenull: sorry to hear that |
| 04:38.38 | HermanDE | skon: Nope... Should work straight out of the box.... |
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| 04:39.03 | kspath | skon: some lameness in some browsers can cache a failure but I doubt you will encounter that |
| 04:39.15 | Gnea | stratus: so your opinion is a fact that everyone should believe without question? |
| 04:39.29 | skon | kspath, that new dns server works.... |
| 04:39.30 | ootput | skon: there are ways to prevent ipv6 lookups for your browser |
| 04:39.38 | kspath | skon: ok |
| 04:39.39 | ootput | skon: but that'd be an insignificant change |
| 04:39.48 | stratus | Gnea, i'm still on the channel because i'm open to questions, opinions and discussion in general. |
| 04:40.11 | jae | I hate to say it, but both stratus and the opposition are right... |
| 04:40.18 | skon | ootput: i know it's not my browser because i tried lynx, firefox, and wget on 2 different linux boxes, and they all take a long time to resolve the names but then the pages load quickly once they're resolved |
| 04:40.20 | stratus | Gnea, the point is that before saying that i was a DD you and some others started being way too rude with me in a unnecessary way |
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| 04:40.53 | stratus | jae, :) |
| 04:41.00 | kspath | skon: consider installing host and/or nslookup and/or dig and/or whois and/or ... for testing and mtr |
| 04:41.01 | Gnea | stratus: who's being rude? i was pointing out fact that proved what you were saying to others was wrong and misleading. |
| 04:41.16 | ootput | stratus: as you mentioned earlier.. you don't frequent #debian |
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| 04:41.22 | skon | kspath, what does that do? will that find good dns servers for me? |
| 04:41.25 | devicenull | soo, im just going to install over the old system |
| 04:41.38 | peterS | I would argue that it's important to emphasise precisely that etch *is* testing, so that people don't think etch is, instead, a *release* |
| 04:41.38 | mike__ | 4.4.4.1/2/3/4 are usually pretty good |
| 04:41.48 | Gnea | stratus: and if you were a *REAL* 'DD', as you claim, you wouldn't use a different nick, but your real one. |
| 04:41.48 | stratus | Gnea !ops stratus is spreading lies about Debian, as a distribution. [11:21PM] <stratus> Gnea, saying that testing *is* etch right now will confuse users. |
| 04:41.53 | HermanDE | skon: Here is a good site about charter ... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/charter |
| 04:42.05 | Gnea | stratus: that's right. |
| 04:42.07 | kspath | skon: it will allow you to test dns and mtr allows you to test if you can even reach the remote IP unless they are blocking udp/icmp |
| 04:42.10 | skon | HermanDE, thanks |
| 04:42.20 | stratus | Gnea, i'm using my real nickname and i'm authenticated |
| 04:42.31 | jae | a DD has a *real* nick? Wow, I was really away far too long... |
| 04:42.35 | skon | kspath, i'll check that out. new ip seems to work back to normal now. thanks |
| 04:42.36 | Gnea | stratus: anyone can authenticate as any username as long as it isn't already in use. |
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| 04:42.58 | stratus | jae, usually yes, you can check using db.debian.org |
| 04:43.01 | ootput | hunt them witches |
| 04:43.02 | peterS | stratus: I think it's more confusing for users to think there are two things, testing and etch, which are not the same. people would think perhaps etch is a release. that's worse than thinking etch is testing. |
| 04:43.05 | kspath | skon: look into dig,host,nslookup, whois, mtr or at least put them on your todo list |
| 04:43.14 | skon | ok |
| 04:43.20 | ootput | it's a good thing kspath is providing support |
| 04:43.22 | jae | peterS: if you want to emphasize something, why not "etch doesn't actually exist, yet" (there is no etch) |
| 04:43.23 | HermanDE | stratus: And what whas the purpose of calling the ops? |
| 04:43.29 | stratus | peterS, i disagree |
| 04:43.31 | TBBle | But etch _is_ testing. At least, right now... After all, testing is etch, right now. |
| 04:43.40 | kspath | yeah I should stop that since I am unemployed and need to get paid |
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| 04:43.47 | stratus | HermanDE, it as Gnea that did that |
| 04:44.32 | jae | stratus: it makes it sound as if every DD is an IRC junkie... I don't know many who aren't (LinuxTag 99/2000, almost every DD had a nick on his badge in addition to their real name) |
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| 04:44.44 | peterS | jae: no, I think it's more useful to track etch than to track testing. especially as it gets close to stable - then, tracking etch lets you basically "install stable" some time before it is officially released |
| 04:44.46 | ootput | kspath: :) |
| 04:44.49 | kspath | I worked 8-9years in ISP industry and techsupp and unix/linux systems engineer and email admin for a mail cluster and no one wants/needs me for their operation BIZARRE |
| 04:44.55 | wuming | I installed ssh, but it refuse all connections |
| 04:45.03 | wuming | is there any firewall setting? |
| 04:45.05 | stratus | jae, we aren't but we can register our nickname as icq number there. |
| 04:45.06 | Gnea | HermanDE: yes, i called the ops. he came off as being a troll. |
| 04:45.13 | Gnea | [11:24PM] <stratus> helix, i'm Gustavo, yes. |
| 04:45.21 | devicenull | aw, the debian installer called my system unclean |
| 04:45.33 | noiesmo | hey all network ? transfer rate between two local systems is stalling both systems debian 100basetx fd mode any suggestions |
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| 04:46.09 | ootput | shrugging is bad for your posture |
| 04:46.19 | mfrisch | kspath it is bad out there. |
| 04:46.21 | Gnea | it depends how one shrugs :) |
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| 04:47.01 | wuming | when I "ssh localhost" I got connection refused, why? how to fix this? |
| 04:47.16 | mike__ | why would you ssh to yourself? |
| 04:47.16 | kspath | noiesmo: investigate is my suggestion sounds like you should fix that maybe |
| 04:47.42 | jae | wuming: are you root when you try? |
| 04:47.47 | ootput | wuming: is ssh running? |
| 04:47.49 | ootput | sshd |
| 04:47.56 | peterS | wuming: make sure sshd is running, is the main thing. then make sure it doesn't have some ListenAddress thing in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 04:47.59 | noiesmo | kspath, well yes trying to use ethtool and mii-tool to fix 100bastx-fd |
| 04:48.10 | wuming | let me check |
| 04:48.20 | mike__ | wuming: nmap -sS localhost see what ports are open |
| 04:48.36 | mike__ | and default root cannot ssh |
| 04:48.54 | ootput | wuming: netstat -tanp |
| 04:49.06 | devicenull | okay, Im sitting in the installer menu.. is there a way to drop down to a shelll that has, ftp, and tar |
| 04:49.23 | wuming | ootput, no port is listed |
| 04:49.26 | mike__ | ctl-alt-f2? |
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| 04:49.43 | devicenull | 0gets me into some busybox thing |
| 04:49.49 | devicenull | which lacks ftp and tar |
| 04:49.53 | peterS | mike__: or just netstat -l4 or netstat -nl4, simpler than nmap |
| 04:50.04 | mike__ | check |
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| 04:50.29 | wuming | when run "/etc/init.d/ssh start". I got Starting Openbsd secure shell server: sshd, Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called |
| 04:50.33 | wuming | doing nothing |
| 04:50.45 | peterS | wuming: so that means you're running inside an installer of some sort |
| 04:50.48 | wuming | i think this is why sshd is not running |
| 04:50.56 | peterS | wuming: such as debian-installer or pbuilder |
| 04:50.59 | wuming | peterS,How can I get out the installer? |
| 04:51.13 | peterS | wuming: uh, I guess finish the install |
| 04:51.14 | mfrisch | peterS ;-) |
| 04:51.15 | wuming | peterS: i was installing debian in expert mode |
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| 04:51.30 | wuming | how to go back to install |
| 04:51.38 | peterS | alt-f1 |
| 04:51.53 | wuming | no, I already rebooted |
| 04:51.56 | peterS | or if you told it to give you a shell, just type exit |
| 04:51.57 | wuming | and installed grub |
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| 04:52.18 | noiesmo | kspath, which file do i need to look at to add ethtool settings can be permanently set as part of the interface's configuration script with the ETHTOOL_OPTS variable |
| 04:52.19 | wuming | I think I rebooted computer in side the installer |
| 04:52.39 | mfrisch | wuming oooh |
| 04:52.41 | peterS | if it's still giving you the message about fake start-stop-daemon, then you must not have finished the install, somehow |
| 04:53.30 | wuming | should I reinstall? |
| 04:53.32 | noiesmo | what does debian use for interface start up script |
| 04:53.52 | mike__ | /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:53.56 | peterS | noiesmo: what do you mean by 'interface start up script'? |
| 04:54.04 | mike__ | that what you mean |
| 04:54.05 | mike__ | ? |
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| 04:54.10 | ah`kin[debian] | ya |
| 04:54.10 | peterS | noiesmo: *network* interfaces are started by /etc/init.d/networking which reads /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:54.11 | ah`kin[debian] | this |
| 04:54.41 | noiesmo | peterS, so can i add ETHTOOL_OPTS="speed 100 duplex full autoneg off" to this file |
| 04:55.13 | peterS | noiesmo: it doesn't run ethtool automatically, to my knowledge. you can run ethtool yourself, using a 'up' or 'pre-up' line |
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| 04:55.42 | peterS | noiesmo: something like: "up ethtool eth0 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off" under the lines about eth0 |
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| 04:56.08 | peterS | noiesmo: basically any 'up' line is executed just after bringing the interface up |
| 04:56.18 | noiesmo | peterS, looking at a how to says ETHTOOL_OPTS="speed 100 duplex full autoneg off" can be added to config script guess i'll try and see |
| 04:56.20 | peterS | noiesmo: for details, read 'man 5 interfaces' |
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| 04:56.48 | peterS | noiesmo: well, what you want is to invoke ethtool with that line. and to do so you would use an 'up' line. |
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| 04:58.09 | noiesmo | peterS, k brb gonna reboot see what happens just to be sure thanks |
| 04:58.32 | devicenull | does the debian installer acutally need a network connection? |
| 04:59.07 | peterS | devicenull: only if you're using the netinst CD. and that only requires a network after the base install is done |
| 04:59.32 | EdLin | !sunday |
| 04:59.32 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 04:59.58 | devicenull | well I'm using a netinst cd, sadly. |
| 05:00.15 | devicenull | oh well |
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| 05:00.36 | jae | !monday |
| 05:00.36 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 05:00.44 | jae | !tuesday |
| 05:00.44 | dpkg | i guess tuesday is soylent green day |
| 05:00.59 | EdLin | jae: I did that because it just became tardsday in EST |
| 05:01.02 | peterS | devicenull: you can get a minimal system up with just the netinst CD, but when you want to start installing software, you'll need to get it from somewhere. usually the internet. |
| 05:01.03 | noiesmo | peterS, it worked added to interfaces and when ethtool eth0 reports Auto-neg off |
| 05:01.15 | peterS | noiesmo: good, good |
| 05:01.18 | jae | EdLin: tardsday? |
| 05:01.31 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 05:01.31 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 05:02.23 | yos87 | hi |
| 05:02.23 | devicenull | basically im going to get it installing packages, then go to sleep |
| 05:02.26 | noiesmo | god dam 3 minutes to transfer 30mb local network what the |
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| 05:02.51 | yos87 | I'm not able to access https sites, |
| 05:02.57 | mike__ | hi yos87 |
| 05:02.57 | yos87 | someone can help me? |
| 05:03.08 | devicenull | you dont want my help |
| 05:03.11 | devicenull | believe me on this. |
| 05:03.13 | yos87 | hike__: hi |
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| 05:03.37 | mike__ | what happens when you hit an https site? |
| 05:03.38 | kspath | hmmm wonder what the difference between Mbit and MByte are |
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| 05:03.57 | mike__ | 8 bits in a byte? |
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| 05:04.01 | EdLin | kspath: a bit is one bit while a byte is 8 bytes. |
| 05:04.02 | mike__ | or 8 bytes ina bit? |
| 05:04.05 | ah`kin[debian] | which one bigger? |
| 05:04.06 | ah`kin[debian] | haha |
| 05:04.09 | ah`kin[debian] | bit or byte? |
| 05:04.11 | EdLin | er, 8 bits |
| 05:04.16 | ecarroll | If you wanted to make it so a regular user sshes into a chroot, how would you go about that, I already have the chroot set up, and the bind mount for /chroot/proc and /dev, I just need to know how to get the user to jump into it |
| 05:04.35 | mike__ | make it their home folder? |
| 05:04.35 | jae | and do you prefer nibble or nybble? ;-) |
| 05:04.51 | kspath | sorry my sarcasm is leaking out too much nite |
| 05:04.59 | peterS | ecarroll: I think there's a pam module for that |
| 05:05.08 | EdLin | jae: I always saw it spelled as nibble, 4 bits |
| 05:05.38 | EdLin | jae: there was an old computer hobbiest magazine called "nibble" |
| 05:05.43 | mike__ | there a line in /etc/sshd/sshd_config for chrooting? |
| 05:05.48 | peterS | ecarroll: yeah, 'apt-cache search pam chroot' turns up libpam-chroot |
| 05:05.51 | jae | me too, first time I've seen it as nybble was the jargon file I think... it does seem consistent with byte |
| 05:06.10 | noiesmo | peterS, can you help have 2 debian systems when scp data between them transfer is max 900KB/s both running 100bastx-fd any suggestions |
| 05:06.14 | thetallcoolone | kspath: the difference between bit and byte is the amount of skin going off your arm from either a small dog or a big dog. ;) |
| 05:06.19 | EdLin | jae: was it in the ESRified jargon file or the original Jargon file? |
| 05:06.59 | mike__ | noiesmo: how are they connected? |
| 05:07.02 | peterS | noiesmo: narrow the problem space down some - try some raw transfers using nc (in the 'netcat' package), e.g. |
| 05:07.19 | ootput | is there a way for me to specify apt-get to use a specific repo? |
| 05:07.29 | ootput | not -t |
| 05:07.30 | devicenull | DONT DO IT |
| 05:07.37 | jae | EdLin: vaguely remembered it, google to the rescue... they even have a website |
| 05:07.38 | Flimzy | Can anyone explain to me why 3 different machines, of 3 different architectures (i386, amd64, powerpc), all complain that the root partition was last mounted in the future *every other* time I boot? |
| 05:07.41 | ecarroll | peterS: Well how would i get a user into chroot then without ssh, or running chroot as root |
| 05:07.42 | devicenull | i just screwed up my entire system trying to do that ;) |
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| 05:07.50 | yos87 | mike__: when I hite https site, I get this messeg ( You are trying to use a node of the CoDeeN CDN Network. Your IP address is not recognized as a valid PlanetLab address, so your access to CoDeeN does not include all HTTP types) |
| 05:07.56 | jae | EdLin: didn't read it back then, since I was and am in Germany |
| 05:07.57 | ootput | devicenull: it isn't recognising updated packages from certain repos |
| 05:07.59 | noiesmo | mike__, connected via 10/100 switch |
| 05:08.00 | peterS | (on one system, run 'nc -l 1337 | pv > /dev/null' and on the other, 'nc othersystem 1337 < /dev/zero'. This presumes installation of 'netcat' and 'pv') |
| 05:08.09 | ecarroll | peterS: I just created the chroot with debchroot, and did the bind mnt to /dev and /proc, now i want to jump in it. as a regular user |
| 05:08.29 | peterS | ecarroll: if you're wanting to use a chroot without logging in (and thus invoking your pam modules), there is schroot |
| 05:08.36 | thetallcoolone | what does it mean when I try to start an app, I see it appear in the bar at the bottom with the hourglass but then it disappear like I never clicked on it? |
| 05:08.37 | peterS | ecarroll: that too turns up readily in an apt-cache search |
| 05:08.58 | jae | EdLin: haven't known the jargon file before ESR took over... but not sure it really was the first time I'd seen it |
| 05:09.10 | ecarroll | peterS: I woulden't mind logging in, what do i execute to prompt me for login into a chroot? |
| 05:09.31 | jae | EdLin: might have been anywhere in the 80s... oh so (too) many years ago ;-) |
| 05:09.36 | EdLin | jae: Guy Steele I think was the compiler of the original Jargon File. |
| 05:09.47 | peterS | Flimzy: might not be every other time, it might be every time that you haven't been booted for 6 hours straight. that could be the case if your system timezone spec is not UTC |
| 05:09.47 | EdLin | jae: if you saw it in the 80s it may have been pre-ESR |
| 05:09.51 | yos87 | I'm not able to access https sites, |
| 05:09.57 | yos87 | someone can help me |
| 05:10.10 | jae | EdLin: correct, you even still find GLS-marked comments (I think) |
| 05:10.16 | peterS | ecarroll: that's more than I can say. maybe you could read the docs that come with libpam-chroot or schroot, either one |
| 05:10.34 | peterS | ecarroll: it's not like the developers leave you completely high and dry, there's usually some hints in /usr/share/doc/packagename/ somewhere |
| 05:10.50 | Flimzy | peterS: I'll test that theory with a few extra reboots |
| 05:11.00 | jae | EdLin: I meant seeing "nybble" in the 80s, not the jargon file |
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| 05:11.56 | peterS | Flimzy: btw I was sorry to miss your LOTR marathon last week. I was going to come to about half of it but I turned out to have too much crap to get done here even during that half |
| 05:12.25 | Flimzy | peterS: hehe... no prob. On Feb 4, I think we'll be doing a similar event... with Star Wars. It will be our "Superbowlless Party" |
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| 05:13.05 | noiesmo | peterS, have found that smb transfer 3MB/s it seems to be ssh any sugestions |
| 05:13.18 | jae | you mean "superbowlless superbowl party"? |
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| 05:13.32 | peterS | noiesmo: could be CPU power to encrypt or decrypt the data. try 'ssh -o Ciphers=arcfour' to use the fastest cipher |
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| 05:13.51 | ootput | how do i list versions of applications that are installable? |
| 05:14.26 | ootput | that would be a while away, yet |
| 05:14.29 | jae | the only good bowl is a salad bowl ;-) |
| 05:14.32 | peterS | ootput: 'aptitude' run interactively gives you a really nice interface for all of that stuff. use [ ] to expand/collapse the lists of packages, and 'enter' / 'q' to jump into or out of a detailed description of a single package |
| 05:14.33 | Flimzy | jae: I may as well be German for as much as I care when the superbowl is. |
| 05:14.42 | jae | Flimzy: lol |
| 05:15.04 | Flimzy | jae: I think this "Superbowlless Party" will become an anual theme for me and my friends... "For people cool enough to waste time doing something that's actually entertaining on Superbowl Sunday" |
| 05:15.23 | ootput | what's not to like about beer, food, friends, and watching tv? |
| 05:15.25 | peterS | Flimzy: wait, when is the superbowl? you said Feb 4 but that's a Saturday |
| 05:15.32 | jae | I'm not even german judging by the lack of interest in football (or "soccer" as you yanks call it) |
| 05:15.32 | caphuso | ootput: tv |
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| 05:15.54 | Flimzy | peterS: *shrug* I guess I should get out an actual calendar instead of relying on everyone else I know who's telling me (so far 3) wrong dates |
| 05:15.57 | peterS | heh |
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| 05:16.20 | jae | *my lack of interest, of course |
| 05:16.27 | Flimzy | whatever day the superbowl is... I'll be hosting a Star Wars marathon |
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| 05:16.48 | ootput | ze germans |
| 05:16.53 | EdLin | jae: the original jargon file is at http://www.dourish.com/goodies/jargon.html , it has no entries for either nybble or nibble, or byte for that matter. |
| 05:16.55 | peterS | jae: I'm right with you, I don't have a lot of interest in following professional sports. but certain ones (football(soccer) for one) are at least fun to watch |
| 05:17.09 | ootput | peterS: takes a while to score a point, no? |
| 05:17.27 | ootput | you end up exhausting countless cheers before the ball crosses the line |
| 05:17.35 | peterS | ootput: yes but it's still fun to watch. cricket too, though that's almost stretching it |
| 05:17.43 | jae | I might get stuck on a bit of football, once in a while (it *can* be nice, especially stuff like "goal of the week" and similar) |
| 05:17.46 | ootput | oh lord, you said cricket |
| 05:17.51 | EdLin | I think that the object of the soccar game is to kick the ball back and forth until one team becomes bored, then the team that becomes bored first loses. |
| 05:17.55 | peterS | heh. it does take awhile to get anywhere |
| 05:18.02 | peterS | but there's a lot of action |
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| 05:18.22 | ootput | i only enjoy cricket when it's the streakers turn to bat |
| 05:18.33 | peterS | I have to admit not having watched much cricket in my life |
| 05:18.47 | peterS | but from the little I *have* seen of it, it seems quite interesting, even if long |
| 05:19.14 | EdLin | I like to watch baseball a lot, probably would appreciate cricket. |
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| 05:19.29 | jae | actually, cricket is one sport I consider quite unfathomable |
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| 05:20.09 | ootput | for a man, who cherishes his nuts, it's quite unfathomable |
| 05:20.28 | peterS | EdLin: what's interesting is watching cricket fans follow the game over the internet with nothing but status updates. they'll still crowd around a computer screen and watch *that*. |
| 05:20.28 | jae | baseball is easily understandable compared to cricket... I think |
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| 05:20.50 | jae | peterS: lol... wasn't expecting anything else |
| 05:21.29 | peterS | I think cricket is quite easy to understand ... it just takes several hours and you can't know until near the end of it which team is really ahead |
| 05:21.47 | peterS | since each team only gets a single innings |
| 05:22.04 | jae | yes... from seeing baseball results and cricket results on CNN... I got a similar picture |
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| 05:22.21 | jae | in baseball, I at least know which team one... cricket, on the other hand... |
| 05:22.27 | gahan | hi |
| 05:22.31 | peterS | think of playing baseball with a single inning of 27 outs |
| 05:22.48 | peterS | there's no way you'd have any idea who's winning until the second team is at bat and has used up most of their outs |
| 05:22.49 | jae | ./topic #debian: the non-sports channel |
| 05:23.02 | EdLin | peterS: that sounds interesting, but exhosting |
| 05:23.10 | EdLin | exhausting |
| 05:23.16 | peterS | EdLin: yes, perhaps. I haven't tried *playing* cricket |
| 05:23.42 | EdLin | peterS: I could pitch baseball well, but couldn't bat worth a darn when I played as a boy. |
| 05:23.47 | peterS | I think that, like baseball, you spend most of the time standing around, punctuated by short moments of action. for any given player I mean |
| 05:24.09 | peterS | so while 27 outs per team sounds exhausting, you mainly stand around until the ball is hit somewhere near you |
| 05:24.13 | jae | I prefer hockey, even if I couldn't play it |
| 05:24.31 | EdLin | peterS: I find baseball exciting because it's basically a single man facing a single man. |
| 05:24.45 | peterS | cricket is more or less the same |
| 05:24.48 | EdLin | peterS: that creates tension. |
| 05:25.27 | peterS | the real thing about cricket, if you know baseball, is that you use all the same terms but they mean different things |
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| 05:25.31 | peterS | it's pretty funny that way |
| 05:25.31 | EdLin | Strangely though, I like college basketball too, even though it's the opposite. I guess that comes from having a family that attended UNC-CH |
| 05:25.41 | VivekVC | How do i add to add gettext devel libraries / header files using configure.in / Makefile.am ? |
| 05:25.43 | peterS | the 'pitch' is not the throwing of a ball. the 'pitch' is the infield. |
| 05:25.45 | peterS | for example. |
| 05:26.23 | jae | peterS: using the same terms for different things... like "I could use a fag now"? ;-) |
| 05:26.31 | peterS | jae: similar. (: |
| 05:26.40 | gahan | ~is there a way to prove my isp that they didnt route additional IP i asked for correctly? |
| 05:26.57 | EdLin | "America and England are two countries divided by a common language." - Churchill |
| 05:27.09 | Flimzy | peterS: Well, 4 simultaneous reboots resulted in less than 50% / errors... |
| 05:27.13 | jae | "No sports" - Churchill |
| 05:27.16 | peterS | churchill, as usual, had a point |
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| 05:27.36 | Flimzy | peterS: So if your hypothesis is correct about the UTC clock... what do you suggest to fix it? I'd like to keep my clock in CDT |
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| 05:27.49 | rue_mohr | where does the file that you neeed for gcc -lX11 come from? |
| 05:28.02 | peterS | rue_mohr: libx11-dev |
| 05:28.05 | kspath | gahan: prove? if you had a copy of their router configs signed and dated maybe |
| 05:28.24 | rue_mohr | but its not working |
| 05:28.39 | peterS | Flimzy: you mean CST (: CDT doesn't happen for another 4 months. but the details of time zone correction during early boot are kind of confusing to me anyway |
| 05:28.49 | rue_mohr | libx11-dev is already the newest version. |
| 05:28.52 | Flimzy | peterS: I don't believe in time changes... :P |
| 05:28.53 | rue_mohr | usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11 |
| 05:28.59 | kspath | gahan: you can try to show via traceroutes in and out but they can pretend you are wrong or confused and claim they can "see" you just fine or ping you fine or any other BS |
| 05:29.02 | peterS | rue_mohr: you probably need -L/usr/X11R6/lib |
| 05:29.02 | gahan | kspath: then i need to give them root access so they could believe me i can configure ip addrs :) geez |
| 05:29.16 | peterS | rue_mohr: to tell gcc (actually the linker) to look in that directory |
| 05:29.29 | rue_mohr | ok |
| 05:29.38 | peterS | Flimzy: summer time all the time? |
| 05:29.38 | kspath | gahan: what makes you think it is wrong? |
| 05:29.43 | Flimzy | peterS: I wish it hadn't broken! I never had this problem until about 2 weeks ago... *sigh* |
| 05:29.49 | peterS | weird. |
| 05:30.02 | gahan | kspath: i cant access it from outside at all, icmp/tcp |
| 05:30.11 | peterS | Flimzy: check bugs.debian.org/342887 - I haven't looked at it yet but it pertains to time zone shifts |
| 05:30.20 | gahan | udp too |
| 05:30.22 | kspath | gahan: did you add it to your router configs? |
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| 05:30.39 | gahan | kspath: yes it's all fine, just as i did it before when it worked |
| 05:30.52 | EdLin | Flimzy: do you have /usr on a seperate partition? |
| 05:31.01 | kingsley | Why would getty, mgetty and fgetty all allow a newly configured modem to connect to another modem that dials in, but fail to display a login prompt and invariably report "CONNECT 21600 NoEC"? The computer that's dialing in can elicit a login prompt when dialing into another box. |
| 05:31.09 | foo | I just got a "Checking root file system .../: Superblock last write time is in the future." - how do I fix this? This is the third linux box this has happened on. I'll check the time once I get in the system. |
| 05:31.14 | peterS | Flimzy: *nod*, looking at that bug report, it does seem to pertain to your problem |
| 05:31.15 | Flimzy | peterS: Looks like it's related |
| 05:31.16 | kspath | gahan: can you traceroute/ping it from inside your network? are you blocking icmp/udp ? |
| 05:31.16 | xaxes|free | @bed |
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| 05:31.32 | kspath | gahan: firewall configs? |
| 05:31.40 | Flimzy | EdLin: On 2 of the affected systems, but not on the 3rd |
| 05:31.41 | kingsley | Is there a configuration file that disables login prompts on certain ttys? |
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| 05:32.12 | Flimzy | kingsley: Sorta... /etc/inittab defines which ttys getty runs on |
| 05:32.16 | britt | anybody know how to speed up a debian box? |
| 05:32.18 | peterS | kingsley: the login prompts live in /etc/inittab and are specific to your runlevel |
| 05:32.22 | britt | p3-850...file server. |
| 05:32.23 | Flimzy | britt: Throw it harder? |
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| 05:32.32 | britt | Flimzy: good point. |
| 05:32.32 | peterS | kingsley: so you could define say runlevel 3 or 4 which has a different set of 'getty' processes |
| 05:32.32 | kspath | gahan: that is as far as I can go in troubleshooting there are so many possible reasons and I must work on my own stuff to try to get a job helping people for money at some organization |
| 05:32.37 | gahan | kspath: iptables -F ;iptables -t nat -F and then from outside ping says: ip addr icmp_seq=2 Packet filtered |
| 05:33.04 | britt | Flimzy: does that mean a athlon64 mobo+cpu is on you when i damage the server |
| 05:33.11 | gahan | kspath: and i dont have another box inside that network atm |
| 05:33.21 | EdLin | Flimzy: strange, I thought it only happened if /usr (specifically /usr/share/zoneinfo) was on a seprate partition, causing hwclock to set the time when zoneinfo was unmounted |
| 05:33.27 | Flimzy | britt: My A64x2 mobo & CPU is at the foot of mmy couch at the moment |
| 05:33.28 | peterS | britt: oh I don't think anyone here guarantees his advice against equipment failure from shock of impact |
| 05:33.29 | rue_mohr | hah |
| 05:33.31 | rue_mohr | tyhanks |
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| 05:33.43 | Flimzy | EdLin: The errors I'm getting (at least on some of the machines) is actually on /, not /usr |
| 05:33.53 | britt | peterS: I was just checking. |
| 05:34.04 | EdLin | Flimzy: the errors are connected to it being a dead symlink in /etc |
| 05:34.20 | britt | anywho, what throughput shoudl I expect from ethernet through smb shares |
| 05:34.28 | peterS | britt: that's a good point, though, I suppose I should make it clear that when you follow my advice to launch hardware into the air, I don't provide any kind of warranty on the hardware in question |
| 05:34.29 | britt | im getting like 100k/sec or less |
| 05:34.35 | Flimzy | EdLin: The error I was getting was from fsck, actually... said that the / partition was last modified in the future |
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| 05:34.55 | foo | I just got a "Checking root file system .../: Superblock last write time is in the future." - how do I fix this? This is the third linux box this has happened on. I'll check the time once I get in the system. I just rebooted. Same thing. I do a fsck after entering my root password and I get, "Superblock last mount time is in the future. Fix<y>? ... some update must of borked something. Any ideas? |
| 05:34.58 | EdLin | Flimzy: well, that's due to your time zone problem of course |
| 05:35.20 | Flimzy | EdLin: And asks me to do a manual fsck, or Ctrl-D to reboot. Whichever I do, on the next reboot, it works fine. |
| 05:35.21 | britt | foo: whats the date/time set at in your RTC |
| 05:35.40 | EdLin | Flimzy: I guess that will teach you not to run sid on servers |
| 05:35.42 | peterS | foo: ha, talk to Flimzy, he's talking about the same problem |
| 05:35.43 | foo | britt: RTC? |
| 05:35.43 | britt | does anybody know...? |
| 05:35.45 | kspath | britt: 100KB/sec OR 100Kb/sec? please use right units |
| 05:35.47 | foo | peterS: ah |
| 05:35.48 | Flimzy | EdLin: Servers? |
| 05:35.50 | britt | realtime clock |
| 05:35.52 | peterS | foo: see http://bugs.debian.org/342887 |
| 05:35.57 | britt | 100 kilobytes per second or less |
| 05:36.11 | kingsley | Flimzy & peterS: Interesting. Much like you anticipated, /etc/inittab spawns the process, but it's spawns efax, which is supposed to launch getty for incoming data calls. In any event, efax has run levels 2345. |
| 05:36.11 | Flimzy | EdLin: It's my desktop, my (soon to be) amd64 MythTV backend, and my powerbook |
| 05:36.13 | peterS | britt: you should get somewhere close to line speed, really. even with SMB. |
| 05:36.21 | EdLin | Flimzy: ok, sorry.... |
| 05:36.41 | peterS | kingsley: yeah, debian ships with runlevels 2, 3, 4, 5 identical. local admins are free to customise them. |
| 05:36.43 | EdLin | kingsley: I suppose saying "sorry" means I'm non-productive |
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| 05:36.51 | britt | peterS: how much ram is required for a console file server box |
| 05:37.01 | peterS | britt: dunno, I'd use at least 32 MB |
| 05:37.01 | britt | i have like 192MB of ram rigth now |
| 05:37.02 | Flimzy | foo: The answer seems to be to wait a few days until the bug is fixed :) |
| 05:37.09 | foo | Flimzy: Hah. |
| 05:37.11 | foo | Flimzy: Thakns |
| 05:37.13 | Flimzy | foo: (Isn't that always true when using testing/unstable, tho? :) |
| 05:37.14 | britt | peterS: i wonder what in the world is going on. |
| 05:37.27 | peterS | britt: have you checked other uses of the network to see how fast they are? |
| 05:37.33 | britt | web speeds are good. i'm using the file server box right now. |
| 05:38.01 | britt | peterS: web speeds are exceptional, ever since I upgraded the firmware on my WRT54G |
| 05:38.09 | Flimzy | britt: how is your thing being slow? |
| 05:38.13 | britt | I think the WRT54GX is the culprrit |
| 05:38.31 | britt | Flimzy: 100 kilobyte per second transfers over smb |
| 05:38.36 | foo | Flimzy: This is my first error |
| 05:38.44 | Flimzy | britt: Hmmm... over wireless? |
| 05:38.49 | britt | gets pretty annoying when watching a Divx movie or copying one over |
| 05:38.50 | peterS | britt: possible. it's possible that, for example, you're getting long connect times for SMB due to netbios broadcasts being unreliable. or something like that. |
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| 05:38.59 | jae | I get about 2mbyte/s on SMB, 100mbit network, cheap Gigabyte switch... but a 400MHz K6-2 as server :-/ |
| 05:39.07 | peterS | britt: then again, if you're transferring large files, the connect time won't figure into it much |
| 05:39.23 | Flimzy | britt: Is dma enabled for the HD? |
| 05:39.24 | britt | jae: i have a p3-850...what in the right? |
| 05:39.29 | britt | Flimzy: hmm |
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| 05:39.32 | britt | good Q |
| 05:39.39 | britt | probably not. how do i check? |
| 05:39.50 | peterS | britt: 'cat /proc/ide/piix' if you have a PIIX controller |
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| 05:40.08 | peterS | britt: (many P3 motherboards use PIIX controllers) |
| 05:40.10 | jae | right? you mean client? Athlon XP 2400+, 768M RAM (server has 160M :-P) |
| 05:40.19 | britt | peterS: yup |
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| 05:40.26 | StuckMojo | how is it that ubuntu can have a 6-month release cycle when they have the same package set as debian? |
| 05:40.32 | Flimzy | britt: man hdparmm |
| 05:40.33 | britt | DMA enabled, UDMA enabled, level 4 i guess |
| 05:40.39 | Flimzy | britt: hdparm -a /dev/hda, IIRC |
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| 05:40.47 | StuckMojo | my assumption: debians are longer because of the process of vetting the gazillion packages |
| 05:40.52 | EdLin | StuckMojo: a limited number of programs are released by them, the rest are a snapshot of sid |
| 05:40.53 | peterS | britt: level 4 is ... I guess ATA/66? should be plenty fast |
| 05:41.04 | britt | peterS: yep. IIRC |
| 05:41.17 | StuckMojo | EdLin hmmm |
| 05:41.32 | britt | peterS: transferring a 700MB divx movie takes around 35-45 minutes |
| 05:41.40 | StuckMojo | i wonder if they ever get broken packages in the snapshot |
| 05:41.46 | Duelist | StuckMojo: Ubuntu grabs Debian's packages and makes releases out of them at 6 month intervals |
| 05:41.58 | Flimzy | britt: To a Windows client? |
| 05:42.06 | britt | no i dont use windows |
| 05:42.09 | peterS | StuckMojo: ubuntu has a much much smaller scope. and a lot of money to hire full-time people. they don't support anywhere near the 10000 source packages debian does. |
| 05:42.12 | EdLin | StuckMojo: even the few ones they support are slightly buggy. |
| 05:42.12 | Flimzy | britt: Then why are you using smb? |
| 05:42.18 | britt | osx |
| 05:42.22 | Flimzy | britt: Ah |
| 05:42.33 | Flimzy | britt: Run bonnie to see if your HD is the bottleneck |
| 05:42.33 | peterS | StuckMojo: ubuntu snapshots are famously broken. they fix things up by release time but not necessarily in pretty ways, from what I hear |
| 05:43.13 | peterS | StuckMojo: also, ubuntu uses debian's work more than debian uses ubuntu's work. this is the subject of quite some discussion over the past year |
| 05:43.23 | StuckMojo | peterS hmm..they claim 16K packages |
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| 05:43.48 | StuckMojo | "Ubuntu includes more than 16,000 pieces of software..." seems to indicate they have all the same packages |
| 05:43.50 | peterS | StuckMojo: that's in "ubuntu universe", which is basically debian unstable shoved into an ubuntu archive. it's not very *well* supported at all. |
| 05:43.50 | jae | britt: why not NFS? (I hated it when I ran into Windows' naming restrictions...) |
| 05:43.53 | EdLin | StuckMojo: they only *support* about 1000, the rest is a sid snapshot |
| 05:44.09 | StuckMojo | ok this all makes sense then |
| 05:44.20 | peterS | StuckMojo: well, it's not literally debian unstable, but it *is* true that they don't support 'universe' very well (and don't even claim to) |
| 05:44.32 | britt | jae: i really dont understand how to make it work with osx, and its something that i'd need someone to explain to me |
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| 05:44.55 | StuckMojo | i was considering using it for my web server. sarge is already a bit dated (kinda). specifically no php5 |
| 05:45.00 | britt | jae: but still, we're talking about a HUGE bottleneck here. |
| 05:45.02 | peterS | I do like the title they use for maintainers of packages in ubuntu universe. you get to be a "master of the universe" |
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| 05:45.34 | jae | britt: argh... might you have logging enabled on Samba? |
| 05:45.34 | StuckMojo | the same thing that makes stable great, makes it annoying ;) the fact that it's stable |
| 05:45.54 | peterS | StuckMojo: heh, true. you can always rely on www.backports.org for at least some stuff |
| 05:45.55 | ootput | there are always backports |
| 05:46.00 | britt | jae: i have swat installed, lemme check...would it be there? |
| 05:46.08 | ecarroll | I just created a chroot with debchroot, and a bind mounted proc and dev, anyone have an idea of how i would login to it? |
| 05:46.21 | Flimzy | britt: I would try AppleTalk or NFS... to see if something's faster |
| 05:46.30 | Flimzy | britt: NFS is probably more likely to be faster |
| 05:46.35 | EdLin | !php5 |
| 05:46.35 | dpkg | well, php5 is in Etch but not in Sarge. For unofficial php5 packages for Sarge, ask me about dotdeb |
| 05:46.36 | peterS | ecarroll: you did or didn't already look at schroot and libpam-chroot? |
| 05:46.48 | EdLin | StuckMojo: /msg dpkg dotdeb |
| 05:46.50 | jae | you should see it there... I had transfer rates of your magnitude once too, IIRC, and switching off logging (or most of it) improved stuff *mightily* |
| 05:46.54 | ecarroll | err no i check out dchroot, let me check out schroot |
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| 05:47.07 | peterS | StuckMojo: backports.org is run by an actual debian developer (nobse), so you can rely on at least *some* packaging quality |
| 05:47.16 | britt | Flimzy: but how much faster? 100 kilobytes/sec isnt what i would consider to be fast....on a LAN |
| 05:47.19 | britt | 10/100 |
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| 05:47.41 | Flimzy | britt: 100kb/sec is insanely slow... you need to do some investigation, I say |
| 05:47.42 | grendal_prime | anyone know of a traffic analyzer like etherape that runs in a console? |
| 05:47.46 | StuckMojo | damn. too bad dotdeb doesn't include postgresql. mysql is...um... |
| 05:47.50 | peterS | grendal_prime: there is tethereal |
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| 05:47.57 | peterS | grendal_prime: it's a frontend to the ethereal engine |
| 05:47.58 | StuckMojo | well you know what i mean |
| 05:47.59 | britt | Flimzy: yeah ....brb lemme look at a WRT54GX update |
| 05:48.00 | Flimzy | britt: Does an FTP or SCP from the one machine to the other go faster? |
| 05:48.01 | ootput | and no real support fot them either |
| 05:48.02 | EdLin | kingsley: your productivity level is going down, you just left and rejoined |
| 05:48.05 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 05:48.10 | grendal_prime | it works ok i guess |
| 05:48.13 | britt | lemme try real fast |
| 05:48.27 | foo | W: GPG error: http://debian.oregonstate.edu testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F ... W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems ... I keep getting this during an apt-get update ... I've done apt-get update about 6 times and I keep getting this. Any ideas. |
| 05:48.28 | grendal_prime | i just like that etherape graphical display of bandwith usage |
| 05:48.35 | Flimzy | foo: see the topic |
| 05:48.39 | Gnea | foo: /topic |
| 05:48.39 | foo | Flimzy: ah, my bad. |
| 05:48.42 | grendal_prime | but i dont want to insall all the crap needed to run it... |
| 05:48.58 | britt | no it goes slow .... |
| 05:49.00 | Flimzy | Maybe I should start installing Debian on my iMac tonite |
| 05:49.01 | britt | wireless i bet |
| 05:49.03 | ootput | if it's needed for it to run.. |
| 05:49.07 | britt | 51k |
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| 05:49.42 | foo | Oops, ok. Fixed. What causes this? |
| 05:49.57 | Wyzard|TP | foo: Debian changes archive-signing keys each year |
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| 05:50.05 | Wyzard|TP | foo: The key you just installed is the 2006 one |
| 05:50.05 | kingsley | Why would mutt stop displaying in color and stop recognizing the down arrow key? |
| 05:50.07 | foo | Wyzard|TP: ah, why? |
| 05:50.13 | Flimzy | foo: The universe is conspiring against you. |
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| 05:50.17 | dhuv | hello all |
| 05:50.17 | foo | Flimzy: :P |
| 05:50.24 | peterS | foo: ftp.debian.org uses crypographic signing and rotates the key every year. until a few months ago, nobody was really checking the key, but now the software does, so everyone finally notices this |
| 05:50.31 | Wyzard|TP | foo: For security -- the more data is encrypted or signed with a given key, the easier it is for an attacker to break it |
| 05:50.34 | EdLin | kingsley: termcap? |
| 05:51.15 | EdLin | kingsley: terminfo rather |
| 05:51.30 | dhuv | My wireless network on a Thinkpad 570 with linksys pcmcia card works well, I am able to connect using the kwifimanager but I wanted to know how I can have it auto connect after a reboot or when it comes back from standby |
| 05:51.45 | peterS | foo: the problem is, since software didn't check the key automatically anyway, nobody figured out how to distribute new keys to the software automatically when needed. now the developers are scrambling to come up with a better way to avoid this same thing happening in 2007. |
| 05:51.54 | dhuv | Currently each time I comeback from standby or restart I have to manually reconnect to the netowkr |
| 05:52.06 | dhuv | using kwifimanger is not a simple process either |
| 05:52.10 | Wyzard|TP | dhuv: You can use wpasupplicant to automatically scan for and associate to wireless networks, and ifplugd to automatically bring up the interface when an AP is found |
| 05:52.33 | kingsley | EdLin: Yes, I also suspected termcap, but neither it or the terminfo files have changed. |
| 05:53.05 | EdLin | kingsley: another possibility to check is locale |
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| 05:53.28 | foo | peterS: Gocha, thanks for that. What is your position in debian world? Just curious, see you helping a lot. |
| 05:53.53 | peterS | foo: no position. I'm in the new-maintainer queue but it's a long queue so I might be a developer in, I dunno, another year |
| 05:54.09 | Flimzy | I wonder if I still have a developer status |
| 05:54.16 | EdLin | kingsley: though locale wouldn't explain the b/w screen |
| 05:54.50 | foo | peterS: Nice - thanks. |
| 05:55.13 | kingsley | EdLin: locale looks OK to me. LC_* = "en_US", excpet for LANG, which is just en_us (no quotes) and LC_ALL, which appears to be empty. |
| 05:55.15 | peterS | Flimzy: you're still in /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg, interestingly enough |
| 05:55.36 | peterS | pub 1024D/383F25B5 2000-09-09 uid Jonathan J. Hall <jonhall@futureks.net> |
| 05:55.36 | Flimzy | foo: You don't have to be a dev to help... and you don't have to help just b/c you're a dev. Look at me for example... I contributed 1 package like 3 years ago... and am still in the dev list... and don't help ANYONE! MUWAHAHA :P |
| 05:55.44 | EdLin | kingsley: change them all to C and see what happens |
| 05:55.48 | britt | how well does smoothwall work? |
| 05:55.59 | dhuv | Wyzard: do I have to use wpasupplicant if I do not use WEP? |
| 05:56.03 | Flimzy | peterS: I told them to remove me a long time ago... probably during last year's mantainer ping. |
| 05:56.19 | foo | Flimzy: Hahaha. I know you don't need to be a dev to help or anything... was just wondering if he was anything special :) |
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| 05:56.32 | Flimzy | foo: He is a very special boy.... :P |
| 05:56.33 | peterS | Flimzy: try it: 'gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --list-keys jonhall'. you need the 'debian-keyring' package installed |
| 05:56.44 | foo | Flimzy: hah |
| 05:57.11 | Flimzy | peterS: Maybe I should upload one of these packages I've made for myselff |
| 05:57.22 | peterS | Flimzy: do you still have the 383F25B5 key? |
| 05:57.25 | Flimzy | I'd hafta polish 'em up to make them completely compliant first |
| 05:57.39 | Flimzy | peterS: I might |
| 05:57.52 | peterS | Flimzy: if so I'd like to get you to sign *my* key some time. I still have zero key karma |
| 05:58.15 | Flimzy | peterS: ahh. Well if I don't, I know a current, and *active* developer, who lives in the area |
| 05:58.38 | peterS | Flimzy: goerzen? he's 40 miles away, and didn't answer my last ping on the subject (: |
| 05:58.51 | Flimzy | peterS: Does the current Debian policy require a direct signature from a dev? Or if he signed my current key, and I signed yours, would that suffice? |
| 05:58.59 | Flimzy | peterS, Yes, goerzen. He was here for the LOTR party :) |
| 05:59.13 | peterS | Flimzy: ahh. now I'm really sorry I missed it (: I haven't seen him for like 7 years |
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| 06:00.12 | Flimzy | peterS: When I'm not watching Star Trek reruns and IRCing from my laptop, I'll dig around some old archives to see if I can find my old pgp key |
| 06:00.19 | peterS | cool |
| 06:00.38 | peterS | I'll try to collect signatures from both of you if I should see you |
| 06:00.49 | ice_1963 | how can i do this | when i install testing ?? |
| 06:02.42 | britt | are there any network geeks out there? |
| 06:02.54 | Flimzy | britt: what's up? |
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| 06:03.15 | britt | okay, i think one of the problems is that these are on a different subnet |
| 06:03.21 | britt | these computers |
| 06:03.23 | Flimzy | britt: Yes, that would be a very bad idea |
| 06:03.27 | britt | going through a router |
| 06:03.32 | Flimzy | britt: Why are you routing smb? |
| 06:03.42 | britt | i have to...? |
| 06:03.46 | Flimzy | Why? |
| 06:03.51 | Flimzy | Why do you have to? |
| 06:03.59 | britt | Flimzy: okay... |
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| 06:04.05 | britt | i have a router in the basement |
| 06:04.13 | Flimzy | And? |
| 06:04.15 | britt | and another router 2 floors up. |
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| 06:04.21 | Flimzy | Uh |
| 06:04.22 | Flimzy | m |
| 06:04.24 | Flimzy | what the heck for? |
| 06:04.28 | britt | DHCP is enabled on both, bc thats the only way it works |
| 06:04.29 | Flimzy | Do you have multiple Internet connections? |
| 06:04.29 | StuckMojo | well, im out. gnight |
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| 06:04.30 | britt | wireless |
| 06:04.33 | britt | no. |
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| 06:04.37 | Flimzy | Dont' do that |
| 06:04.44 | britt | the basement "AP" wont reach.. |
| 06:04.45 | Flimzy | Only use 1 router |
| 06:04.52 | Flimzy | That's fine |
| 06:04.57 | britt | oh |
| 06:04.57 | britt | OH |
| 06:05.00 | Flimzy | you can use multiple APs on a single subnet |
| 06:05.10 | Flimzy | You just want to use the AP's as bridges |
| 06:05.11 | Flimzy | not as routers |
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| 06:05.20 | britt | oh? |
| 06:06.00 | Flimzy | routing adds a lot of unnecessary latency |
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| 06:06.09 | britt | so okay, i tried turning DHCP off to let the one router do the IP addressing |
| 06:06.11 | peej | I have an adsl modem to connect to |
| 06:06.21 | britt | and only the wired ports work |
| 06:06.28 | britt | *sigh* |
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| 06:06.36 | Flimzy | What I did on my "wireless router" to turn it into a bridge... |
| 06:06.39 | Flimzy | 1) turn off DHCP |
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| 06:06.57 | Flimzy | 2) Don't plug anything into the "WAN" (or Internet) port |
| 06:07.00 | britt | ok |
| 06:07.11 | britt | im following you so far. |
| 06:07.13 | Flimzy | That way everything is operating "behind" the router/firewall |
| 06:07.21 | Flimzy | It may think it's a router still |
| 06:07.30 | Flimzy | and it would route, if anything ever came to/from the WAN port |
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| 06:07.32 | useruser | i'm having trouble buring a dvd with k3b. it says that there's a filename encoded wrongly, and to use convmv to fix it. sadly it doesn't say WHICH file, or what encoding to use, so i don't know what to do. any ideas? |
| 06:07.56 | Flimzy | but since there's nothing coming in from there, it just acts as a switch/bridge between the wired ports and the wireless |
| 06:08.06 | britt | Flimzy: okay, but the problem here now is that the Wifi port doesnt get the DHCP REQUests from the one router |
| 06:08.21 | Flimzy | britt: That sucks |
| 06:08.31 | peej | I need to use a dhcp client to connect to my adsl modem. Do I pick up dhcp-client, or is something else recommended? |
| 06:08.39 | Flimzy | britt: Can you turn on bridging? |
| 06:08.39 | britt | my hacked WRT54G did everything |
| 06:08.44 | britt | lemme check |
| 06:08.50 | peterS | peej: I think dhcp3-client is the recommended one these days |
| 06:09.01 | peej | peterS : ta. |
| 06:09.08 | britt | under operating mode, there is Gateway and Router |
| 06:09.14 | britt | its actually on gateway right now |
| 06:09.43 | britt | i guess i could learn and subsequently define a routing table... |
| 06:10.14 | Flimzy | britt: If it's using Linux, you can always do bridging yourselff |
| 06:10.39 | Flimzy | which I have done a few times in the past |
| 06:11.00 | Flimzy | between 10/100 NICs |
| 06:11.01 | britt | Flimzy: you mean the Linksys linux-ish ssh interface |
| 06:11.02 | Flimzy | never wireless |
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| 06:11.05 | Flimzy | but should be the same |
| 06:11.19 | Flimzy | britt: The WRTG*'s run Linux, right? |
| 06:11.32 | Flimzy | britt: I would imagine you could turn on bridging manually |
| 06:11.41 | Flimzy | altho I've never used one of those, so I can't say with certianty |
| 06:11.43 | britt | yeah |
| 06:11.53 | Flimzy | not sure how fully featured their kernels are |
| 06:11.56 | britt | why does this router default to gateway mode anyway? |
| 06:12.01 | Flimzy | dunno |
| 06:12.05 | Flimzy | I'm not sure waht that means, honestly |
| 06:12.09 | peej | my p100 which lasted me 11 years, of which 5 as a gateway under slink finally croaked it. And, wow, gatewaying has moved on from that time. iptables with adsl, dhcp, and throw in a few more acronyms like ppoe - gotta lot to catch up with. But learning is good. |
| 06:12.10 | Flimzy | (in that context) |
| 06:12.18 | britt | OH OH |
| 06:12.19 | Flimzy | in mosts contexts, a gateway and a router are essentially the same |
| 06:12.26 | britt | check this out |
| 06:12.36 | britt | : If the router is hosting your Internet connection, select Gateway mode. If another router exists on your network, select Router mode. |
| 06:12.44 | Flimzy | peej: You're using dhcp *and* pppoe? |
| 06:12.47 | britt | so i need "rourer" mode |
| 06:12.59 | Flimzy | britt: Hmm. I see. that makes sense. |
| 06:13.06 | Flimzy | britt: It still doesn't sound perfectly ideal. |
| 06:13.13 | britt | probably not |
| 06:13.18 | Flimzy | britt: bridging would still be ideal. But try the router bit |
| 06:13.26 | britt | okay |
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| 06:13.45 | britt | you gonna be here for a while? |
| 06:13.50 | Flimzy | maybe |
| 06:13.56 | peej | Flimzy: nope, not using anything at the mo. I just threw in the ppoe remark 'cos one of my buddies was apparently doing that. But since I don't know what that is about, I don't know if it really is needed in the mix. |
| 06:14.02 | Flimzy | I should stop watching star trek, and start playing with mythtv again |
| 06:14.08 | britt | oooo |
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| 06:14.22 | britt | will myth work with a 1800+ athlon cpu? |
| 06:14.26 | britt | and a 250GB drive? |
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| 06:14.36 | Flimzy | peej: pppoe == PPP over Ethernet... used by many (arguably evil) DSL (and perhaps other broadband) ISPs |
| 06:14.44 | UncleD | Has anyone ever used http://people.debian.org/~dexter/dists/php5.1/php5.1_5.1.1-0.1~sarge1/ to install something? |
| 06:15.18 | Flimzy | britt: Almost certianly. But there are other things to consider, as well. |
| 06:15.27 | britt | right, like the video card. |
| 06:15.27 | paivakil | UncleD: php5 is in sid; if you do not mind using the unstable repository and the system is not a production server |
| 06:15.28 | peej | Flimzy: thanks. He is on a different ISP. I suspect my case will be a simple dhcp-client soluble install. |
| 06:15.30 | Duelist | PPPoE is great if you're an ISP/telco, lousy otherwise |
| 06:15.41 | britt | I want PiP so i need 2 good TV cards.... |
| 06:15.57 | Flimzy | Duelist: Yeah, I suppose... altho DHCP is less resource-intensive (as in hardware resources) |
| 06:15.59 | UncleD | paivakil: I don't understand what you mean.. are you saying 5.1.1 is unstable? |
| 06:16.19 | Flimzy | Duelist: If you're cheap/small enough that IP's are a precious comodoty, then pppoe I guess is useful |
| 06:16.34 | Flimzy | Duelist: (or if you're trying really hard to keep ppl from hosting servers) |
| 06:16.47 | peej | I'll miss the priviledge of being able to snoop on my neighbours' pr0n collection though, switching from cable (shared ethernet) to ADSL ;-/ |
| 06:16.47 | Duelist | Flimzy: the PPPoE ISPs I know of are run by the telco (SBC, now part of AT&T) |
| 06:16.54 | britt | Flimzy: but there's always dynamic DNS |
| 06:17.02 | Flimzy | britt: aye |
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| 06:17.12 | Duelist | and I don't know what a "ppl" is, sorry |
| 06:17.21 | paivakil | no; I mean sid, the `unstable' repository for debian - debian considers them unstable; but you can use them if you are willing to have your system broken once in a while - it does not mean php5 is unstable |
| 06:17.22 | Flimzy | Duelist: Yes, SBC uses it a lot... I knwo off some old-school WISPs (pre 802.11b) that used it, too |
| 06:17.32 | Flimzy | Duelist: ppl = people |
| 06:17.48 | Duelist | why abbreviate a six letter word? |
| 06:17.49 | paivakil | peej: bsnl's dataone? |
| 06:17.55 | Duelist | sorry, pet peeve of mine. |
| 06:17.55 | britt | Duelist: lol |
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| 06:18.09 | UncleD | pavikali: So what are you saying? Do you recommend that I just use the ones that come with dpkg -L ? |
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| 06:18.10 | Flimzy | Duelist: b/c I'm on a 9600 baud dialup connection |
| 06:18.11 | Flimzy | :P |
| 06:18.12 | pzl | hello |
| 06:18.18 | peej | paivakil : mtnl |
| 06:18.26 | pzl | anyone know how can i block synflood attack? |
| 06:18.33 | pzl | with iptables |
| 06:18.35 | paivakil | UncleD: you running sarge or sid or etch? |
| 06:18.37 | britt | Flimzy: i actually found a 1200 baud modem....a haynes external...24V AC |
| 06:18.40 | peej | pzl: enable syncookies |
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| 06:18.48 | pzl | anyone can help me, please |
| 06:18.56 | paivakil | peej, ask your questions about mtnl in #linux-india - that is a better forum |
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| 06:18.59 | nsdutch | pzl: what was the question? |
| 06:19.19 | Flimzy | Duelist: In a nutshell, the Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet is less friendly to the consumer, and more CPU/memory intensive to the Internet Service Provider than the Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. |
| 06:19.20 | pzl | nsdutch: do you know how can i block synflood attack? |
| 06:19.26 | pzl | iptables -N syn_flood |
| 06:19.26 | pzl | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --syn -j syn_flood |
| 06:19.26 | pzl | iptables -A syn_flood -m limit --limit 1/s --limit-burst 3 -j RETURN |
| 06:19.26 | Flimzy | Duelist: (since you don't like abbreviations :P) |
| 06:19.27 | pzl | iptables -A syn_flood -j DROP |
| 06:19.35 | nsdutch | pzl: using debian? |
| 06:19.36 | pzl | i put this but doesnt work :( |
| 06:19.39 | pzl | nsdutch , yes |
| 06:19.41 | Flimzy | britt: My first modem was a 300 baud |
| 06:19.46 | Flimzy | britt: on my C-64. |
| 06:19.50 | britt | Flimzy: wow.... |
| 06:19.55 | Duelist | Flimzy: I don't mind abbreviations in general. but abbreviating a six letter word just screams "lazy" |
| 06:20.05 | pzl | i want to block synflood attack |
| 06:20.09 | peej | pzl: limit? like iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type ping -m limit --limit 50/s -j ACCEPT? |
| 06:20.12 | Flimzy | Duelist: There are many lazy ppl on the 'net. at least I don't say lolololololol :P |
| 06:20.37 | britt | lololololololololololol |
| 06:20.50 | pzl | peej, so.. how do you block synflood? |
| 06:21.00 | britt | what synflood? |
| 06:21.12 | Flimzy | peej: If you have the kernel option enabled, it's blocked by default |
| 06:21.18 | paivakil | peej: you do *not* need dhcp to connect to mtnl |
| 06:21.27 | peej | pzl: beats me. I'd use syncookies, A kernel option. |
| 06:21.35 | pzl | peej, i have it too |
| 06:21.44 | pzl | and echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies |
| 06:21.55 | nsdutch | pzl: Sorry man. :( I'm out also. I'm very aware of what you're talking about - though only using linux for 4 days now o_O. |
| 06:21.56 | pzl | but i dont know.. its not working |
| 06:21.58 | britt | Flimzy: what's RIP? |
| 06:22.10 | Flimzy | britt: A routing protocol |
| 06:22.10 | nsdutch | pzl: not working how, what's the error? |
| 06:22.16 | britt | its listing the interfaces |
| 06:22.16 | Flimzy | britt: You don't need it. |
| 06:22.17 | peej | paivakil : the dlink dsl502T is a brain dead static NAT gateway? |
| 06:22.28 | kingsley | EdLin: I'm happy to report that it appears the problem was caused by a new .terminfo tree in the user's home directory. Removing the tree fixed the bugs. Thanks. |
| 06:22.29 | nsdutch | pzl: or does it act like the command goes through? |
| 06:22.30 | britt | both wireless, 10/100 ports, or both |
| 06:22.35 | britt | so just disabled? |
| 06:22.48 | grendal_prime | by the way iftop does the trick on the bandwith monitoring quite nicely |
| 06:23.03 | Flimzy | britt: you can safely disable RIP, yes. And in fact, should do so, so it doesn't create unwanted overhead |
| 06:23.11 | britt | Flimzy: thx. |
| 06:23.11 | britt | brb |
| 06:23.43 | peej | paivakil : it says in the manual (windows centric) that winxp needs to be a dhcp client. |
| 06:24.02 | paivakil | peej: you can use that as both a router and also as a modem - you better use pppoeconfig to use it as a modem - for security reasons |
| 06:24.03 | peterS | good thing Duelist didn't see britt say 'thx' or 'brb' |
| 06:24.10 | kingsley | Is it possible to read in a new copy of /etc/inittab without rebooting? |
| 06:24.20 | Duelist | bleh |
| 06:24.21 | pzl | nsdutch , i sent synflood attack.. and my server lost the connection |
| 06:24.22 | peterS | kingsley: sure, 'telinit q' I think it is |
| 06:24.32 | Flimzy | peterS, why is that? |
| 06:24.38 | peterS | Flimzy: abbrs, y'know |
| 06:24.40 | Duelist | I'm surprised obviously lazy people even try to run Unix-like operating systems to be honest |
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| 06:24.47 | Flimzy | peterS, ahh... hehe |
| 06:24.48 | nsdutch | pzl: :( Don't know what to tell you. Sorry man. |
| 06:24.51 | paivakil | peej: especialy if you can handle arp/firewall/local lan administration on the box to which the thing is connected |
| 06:24.56 | pzl | nsdutch , ok |
| 06:24.57 | peterS | Duelist: people who like typing whole words should be using VMS, not Unix |
| 06:25.05 | peterS | Duelist: in VMS you have 'DIRECTORY' as a command |
| 06:25.06 | nsdutch | pzl: Good luck getting it working, though. |
| 06:25.12 | kingsley | peterS: "telinit q" seems to have worked. Thank you. |
| 06:25.14 | pzl | jeje thnkx |
| 06:25.15 | ootput | peterS: even aliases work |
| 06:25.27 | Flimzy | Duelist: Remember, Unix was invented when the main terminal was a teletype connected over 75 baud... |
| 06:25.33 | paivakil | peej: atul chitnis has a howto on that - see his site |
| 06:25.36 | peterS | Duelist: ...of course, VMS also lets you abbreviate commands to whatever is unambiguous. so "DIR" still works since there's nothing else that starts with dir |
| 06:25.41 | afabian | Duelist, unix is for the lazy. But lazy in the sense that a perl programmer is lazy. |
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| 06:25.52 | Flimzy | Duelist: So abbreviating 4-letter words could literrally save a *lot* of time |
| 06:26.06 | Duelist | afabian: well good point. but then again, 1970's era lazy and 2006 lazy are vastly different |
| 06:26.14 | grendal_prime | lazy people make really good programmers |
| 06:26.20 | UncleD | pakivali_sarge |
| 06:26.24 | ootput | lazy promotes innovation |
| 06:26.29 | ootput | we'd be lost if it were not for the lazy people |
| 06:26.34 | neuterspay | Duelist: What differences do you see? |
| 06:26.35 | grendal_prime | no shit |
| 06:26.36 | Duelist | to most people now, lazy means buying a new computer, turning it on, and waiting for Windows to finish installing. |
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| 06:26.51 | peej | paivakil : atul chitnis write ups tend to be recipes rather than guidelines. How rather than why. I always want to know why. |
| 06:26.52 | Flimzy | Duelist: No, that's not lazy |
| 06:27.02 | Flimzy | Duelist: That's afraid to learn |
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| 06:27.14 | EdLin | kingsley: glad you fixed the problem |
| 06:27.18 | Flimzy | goes back to the old "easier to use" vs. "easier to learn" debate |
| 06:27.21 | britt | Flimzy: okay...no Wifi now... |
| 06:27.29 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 06:27.29 | Flimzy | Linux is by far easier to use than Windows/MacOS... but not easier to learn |
| 06:27.30 | britt | dhcp is off, and everything else works great. |
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| 06:27.37 | UncleD | pakivali: Here's my concern. When I install dpkg -i php5 (does it install w/ support for mysql, gd, openssl, etc?) - normally when you build a package from the tarball, you can specify all the build flags in ./configure - can you help ease my conerns here. |
| 06:27.41 | paivakil | UncleD: in that case, you can check backports for php5 |
| 06:27.42 | ootput | easiest* ? |
| 06:27.42 | Duelist | rather than taking out an install disk for something else, sticking it in, wiping the goddamn piece of crap that came from Redmond, and filling out paperwork for a refund on the Windows license |
| 06:27.45 | Flimzy | britt: heh |
| 06:27.47 | jae | peterS: thank you for showing me that I successfully purged most VMS knowledge :-P |
| 06:27.57 | noiesmo | best way to go from unstable to stable debian? |
| 06:28.02 | Flimzy | britt: So did you evver try an FTP test? was it slow, too? |
| 06:28.04 | ootput | noiesmo: reinstallation |
| 06:28.14 | britt | Flimzy: yes. 40 kilobytes |
| 06:28.15 | grendal_prime | you know i have alot of people asking how to do certain things these days...like spam filtering and whatnot...i have a mfa for them now ...Most Frequent Answers. |
| 06:28.16 | peterS | jae: openvms is free if you have the hardware, these days |
| 06:28.17 | ootput | noiesmo: you don't want to deal with the headache |
| 06:28.17 | neuterspay | noiesmo: Agreed with ootput, did it last night. |
| 06:28.20 | paivakil | UncleD: the options are usually available in debian |
| 06:28.22 | Flimzy | britt: ick |
| 06:28.23 | EdLin | !tell noiesmo about downgrading |
| 06:28.25 | afabian | I started back when I wasn't lazy. Then I got lazy. fvwm just kicks the crap out of the Windows interface. XEmacs just works better on top of an actual unix. etc. I spent years messing with this stuff for fun, got lazy, and found Windows intolerable. |
| 06:28.27 | peterS | jae: it does require a vax or an alpha of course |
| 06:28.30 | grendal_prime | the number one MFA is "well i guess your screwed" |
| 06:28.34 | neuterspay | Get the debian 180mb netinstall, noiesmo |
| 06:28.40 | peej | pzl : you need syncookies support. CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES in kernel. rtfm. |
| 06:28.40 | neuterspay | You'll be up in no time noiesmo. |
| 06:28.53 | britt | Flimzy: lemme try it now |
| 06:28.59 | britt | im not using wireless now. |
| 06:29.14 | neuterspay | grendal_prime: lazy people make really good programmers -- How do you figure? Just wondering, not debating. |
| 06:29.14 | peej | afabian: now that's what I call an epiphany |
| 06:29.21 | britt | instant transfer...8.56MB/sec |
| 06:29.22 | britt | lol |
| 06:29.22 | EdLin | peterS: is the license multiuser? If not it makes DEC's version of X/CDE worthless |
| 06:29.23 | grendal_prime | that usually comes after i have been asked to consult on how something should be delt with and im then told "well we were hoping for something other than that" |
| 06:29.27 | ootput | neuterspay: shortcuts |
| 06:29.31 | peterS | EdLin: I have no idea, I just heard this about 6 years ago |
| 06:29.32 | paivakil | peej: here you go http://appaji.net/stuff/dataone.html |
| 06:29.40 | noiesmo | cheers |
| 06:29.46 | peterS | EdLin: ...wait ... CDE for VMS? I had no idea |
| 06:29.47 | pzl | peej : CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES=y |
| 06:29.50 | ootput | and alternative languages |
| 06:29.59 | neuterspay | Aha - I could see that. |
| 06:30.03 | peej | pzl: and RTFM :-~ |
| 06:30.04 | pzl | peej: Linux orion 2.6.14.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Dec 26 04:37:52 CLST 2005 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 06:30.11 | neuterspay | I was thinking that he meant lazy as in "sit in front of their machine all day" |
| 06:30.13 | pzl | peej, thanks |
| 06:30.16 | grendal_prime | neuterspay, pretty simple really. I have written some really quick and dirty apps to do things that im sick of doing myself |
| 06:30.18 | EdLin | peterS: well, DEC doesn't call it CDE but it's its spitting immage |
| 06:30.19 | jae | peterS: I worked on a bit part of a bigger app in Vax Pascal (I think that`s what it was called)... and the company hardly knew of *Makefiles* (much less used any) |
| 06:30.30 | peterS | jae: oh, you poor poor thing |
| 06:30.31 | britt | Flimzy: did you get that..? |
| 06:30.33 | jae | not something I really want to revisit |
| 06:30.38 | peej | paivakil : hey, thanks. I'll have a look and see if he's improved |
| 06:30.41 | Flimzy | britt: ? |
| 06:30.51 | neuterspay | grendal_prime: understood - makes sense. |
| 06:30.55 | grendal_prime | ill never sell them, or comment them or even really show them to anyone else...im just sick of performing the tasks over and over again myself |
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| 06:31.03 | britt | Flimzy: instant upload via FTP, 8.56MB/sec |
| 06:31.03 | spo0nman2 | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Debian |
| 06:31.11 | ootput | yes, we know |
| 06:31.19 | spo0nman2 | ootput, :D |
| 06:31.22 | Flimzy | britt, sweet! |
| 06:31.27 | peterS | jae: the only cool thing about VMS, ever, was the third-party SMTP server that actually handled the SEND, SAML, and SOML commands. almost no SMTP servers in history have supported those. |
| 06:31.34 | britt | Flimzy: now i just have to get wireless to work |
| 06:31.35 | Flimzy | peterS: Nah |
| 06:31.47 | spo0nman2 | ootput, I used to be a debian user for 6 years you know. |
| 06:31.47 | britt | what if i edited the routing tables...or enable RIP? |
| 06:32.13 | EdLin | brb, new initramfs might fix booting 2.6.15 |
| 06:32.13 | Flimzy | peterS: VMS's super premtivability (is that a word?) was fun |
| 06:32.20 | grendal_prime | neuterspay, a really good example is my apache-postgresql bookmark app. it runs on the local apache server i keep on my development latop |
| 06:32.21 | peterS | jae: hehe. 'SEND' means to send the mail to the user's terminal, if he's logged in, or return an error, if he's not |
| 06:32.25 | grendal_prime | laptop that is |
| 06:32.28 | peej | paivakil : bsnl and mtnl differ. In price, in anycase (BSNL is cheaper. Dunno if their adsl implementations differ. |
| 06:32.35 | peterS | jae: SOML is 'send or mail', SAML is 'send and mail' |
| 06:32.38 | neuterspay | Using KDE with Debian - ATI Radeon 9000; How do I check which drivers I have installed and why is 800x600 my maximum resolution? |
| 06:32.52 | ootput | i like the zork reference :) |
| 06:32.58 | Flimzy | peterS: Forcing a user's applications into 1kb of RAM, for instance... so everything they run has to swap... while you're still using all the RAM you want |
| 06:33.01 | peterS | Flimzy: yeah, I exaggerate. VMS had lots of cool things under the hood |
| 06:33.22 | jae | I can look up RFCs quite fast, just open file "RFCNNNN" anywhere in Emacs ;-) |
| 06:33.31 | peterS | jae: ha, really? |
| 06:33.31 | neuterspay | grendal_prime: Yeah, I dabble in perl, my reason for switch to standalone linux machine - cause I knew little to none about it and realized it means everything to my future as a perl dev. |
| 06:33.50 | neuterspay | grendal_prime: I hear you. |
| 06:33.51 | jae | actually I think it's a good thing SOML/SAML haven't survived ;-) |
| 06:34.00 | grendal_prime | i point all my web browsers to it. including the ie one that runs inside of qemu. centralized bookmarks. and if i have to rebuild the laptop, for watever reason. all the data bets backed up with all the other dbs on the dev box |
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| 06:34.11 | peterS | jae: yeah but still. nobody implemented them except some software on VMS. I used 'SEND' occasionally. |
| 06:34.38 | peterS | (I used to use it to annoy / amuse a friend of mine whose only email account was a VMS shell thing at a university) |
| 06:34.44 | grendal_prime | as well as the apache www folders with all the supporting php pages and projets im working on |
| 06:34.48 | britt | Flimzy: will enabling RIP fix this? |
| 06:34.49 | Flimzy | I think it's time to play with myth now |
| 06:34.55 | paivakil | peej: afaict, both use same techology from same vendor. |
| 06:34.57 | britt | since its a routing protocol? |
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| 06:34.58 | Flimzy | britt: fix the lack of wireless? no |
| 06:35.03 | Flimzy | britt: I sincerely doubt it. |
| 06:35.14 | jae | peterS: that RFCNNNN shortcut is a local customization... I guess I *should* put my .emacs up somewhere :-) |
| 06:35.20 | neuterspay | Anybody know how I can figure out which graphics drivers\xserver are installed and configured on my machine? |
| 06:35.24 | britt | Flimzy: well the wireless works, but the DHCP doesnt go to it...just the physical ports |
| 06:35.31 | peterS | jae: it hooks into whatever the modern equivalent of ange-ftp is called? |
| 06:35.40 | britt | so its like a switch more than a router hub thing. |
| 06:35.53 | Flimzy | britt: that's what you need briding for |
| 06:35.54 | peterS | (I keep forgetting what the modern version is) |
| 06:35.57 | jae | no, got a local copy of all the RFCs ;-) (disk space *is* cheap these days) |
| 06:35.57 | Flimzy | bridging, evven |
| 06:36.08 | britt | yeah |
| 06:36.12 | grendal_prime | neuterspay, perl is good. fast, i like php myself, its what i use the most frequently, because i build web based tracking apps. But hell ive even written parsing tools and data mining apps with php |
| 06:36.19 | peterS | jae: ahhh. yeah, even debian ships all the RFCs, at least in non-free |
| 06:36.43 | peterS | jae: anyway, 821 (or 2821) should be on everyone's box. I wonder if it's on mine. |
| 06:36.48 | grendal_prime | things that probably should never be written in php...ive done it just cause i could real quick and dirty...cause im lazy as hell |
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| 06:37.03 | Flimzy | britt: If you can enable proxy-arp between the wireless and hardwired, that may be sufficient |
| 06:37.12 | Flimzy | britt: But I doubt there's an option for that in the web interface |
| 06:37.25 | grendal_prime | i bought heallys cause i hated the walk to the break room from my office. im 37 years old |
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| 06:37.37 | neuterspay | Yeah, and it's better to write an app in an illsuited language that you know well, sometimes. |
| 06:37.48 | britt | Flimzy: probably not, and i cant find the IP of the router now.... |
| 06:38.12 | neuterspay | Than to learn something new just for something... if you're not going to know much about it or use it long-term. |
| 06:38.30 | grendal_prime | hey neuterspay you on a fast connection? |
| 06:39.01 | neuterspay | Fast enough now, VERY fast in two days when I go back to school. |
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| 06:41.19 | britt | :) |
| 06:41.21 | britt | found it |
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| 06:42.16 | worthy | is there any way i can get rid of the border in my panel please? |
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| 06:44.02 | Flimzy | woohoo! libiec61833-0 is finally in debian |
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| 06:45.23 | worthy | Flimzy: what is libiec61833-0 for? |
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| 06:45.44 | Flimzy | worthy: It's a library used for IEEE1394 communication with some video devvices... |
| 06:45.57 | Flimzy | I specifically need it to interface MythTV with my HD cable receiver |
| 06:46.01 | stat | <-- wondering which version of kde the latest deb dist installs. TIA. |
| 06:46.22 | peterS | stat: debian stable has kde 3.3 |
| 06:46.22 | worthy | oh |
| 06:46.31 | worthy | is there any way i can get rid of the border in my panel please? |
| 06:46.31 | stat | peterS: thanks |
| 06:46.53 | giwe | Can I boot linux from Windows xp using loadlin and with the linux fs on a usb drive? |
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| 06:47.23 | Flimzy | peters: who's your ISP? |
| 06:47.43 | peterS | Flimzy: SBC |
| 06:47.57 | Flimzy | peters: ahh, too bad |
| 06:48.08 | peterS | hey, they've given me quite good value over the past couple years |
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| 06:48.18 | worthy | is there any way i can get rid of the border in my panel please? |
| 06:48.24 | Flimzy | peters: what do you pay? |
| 06:48.37 | buu | Hello peters. |
| 06:48.44 | peterS | Flimzy: $30, for 3Mbit/400kbit or so |
| 06:48.57 | Flimzy | peters: you should consider cox :) |
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| 06:49.15 | peterS | Flimzy: last I checked, cox had a draconian user agreement that said "no servers", basically, and only like 128 kbit upstream |
| 06:49.23 | Flimzy | peterS, $39.95 for 4mbit/512k... Plus you can move your phone, and save money on there... probably end up paying about the same amount, for faster service |
| 06:49.33 | Flimzy | ah, yes, their is their unenforced "no servers" rule |
| 06:49.37 | Flimzy | but they're much faster than 128k |
| 06:50.07 | peterS | Flimzy: perhaps. I was seriously unimpressed when I looked at it a year or so ago. SBC doesn't say "no servers", and I didn't need the extra speed, so it was an easy choice |
| 06:50.12 | Flimzy | Right now, you can get 9mb/1mb for $40 for 3 mos (normally $55) |
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| 06:50.27 | buu | Flimzy: Really? From cox? |
| 06:50.39 | Flimzy | peterS: Yeah, the 'no servers' rule is the only gotcha I can think of on Cox |
| 06:50.45 | Flimzy | buu: Yes... what part of the country are you in? |
| 06:50.49 | jsz_ | hi, my friend is using a Netgear wgt 624 wireless dsl router and he done a ssh port forward but it doesn't work, he also enabled remote access for me to take a look but that doesn't work eather, I have a feeling the firewall / security inbuilt into it is blocking these events from occuring. I was wondering if anyone has had any experiance with this and knows how to overcome this problem. He said that he was looking around in the config page and couldn't see any |
| 06:50.56 | peterS | Flimzy: I don't need more downstream BW than I already have. more upstream would be nice. though I suppose I should join the late 90s already and just buy hosting somewhere |
| 06:51.09 | buu | Flimzy: Illinois =[ |
| 06:51.11 | peterS | buu's in chicagoland |
| 06:51.14 | Flimzy | peterS: hehe. I get my hosting for $15/mo. 50gb |
| 06:51.18 | buu | peterS: Fix my windows =[ |
| 06:51.28 | Flimzy | buu: Not sure what it's like there. They just upped their max speed to 9mbit here in Kansas |
| 06:51.59 | Flimzy | peters: It's a virtual server... I think I have 64mb RAM, 3gb storage, 50gb bandwidth for the price. |
| 06:52.02 | peterS | Flimzy: I'm still glad cox is around, even if I didn't like their user agreement. because they drive down the price of broadband. SBC really felt the heat and had to lower their entry-level plan to $15 |
| 06:52.06 | Flimzy | peters: On a shared quad P4 or somesuch |
| 06:52.06 | buu | Flimzy: I get around 5mbps/512k fromc omcast |
| 06:52.11 | BlackJudas | Hrrm. |
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| 06:52.21 | Flimzy | peterS: hehe, yup |
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| 06:52.43 | foot | jsz_, put that machine in dmz |
| 06:52.45 | Flimzy | peterS: SBC has done some dirty mud-slinging wrt cox's broadband... and now, especially their phone service |
| 06:52.51 | foot | all ports open :) |
| 06:52.52 | peterS | Flimzy: when my 1-year price of $30 expires and goes up to $55 or something, I'll look at cox again. at that point it might be worth switching |
| 06:52.53 | |RABBIT| | greetings |
| 06:53.01 | peterS | Flimzy: (I do have a 1-year contract to finish up, a few more months of it) |
| 06:53.05 | |RABBIT| | is there a way to search within package description with dselect? |
| 06:53.09 | |RABBIT| | or apt or something |
| 06:53.10 | foot | jsz_ and if there's still a problem, its not the router |
| 06:53.24 | BlackJudas | I'm building the kernel from source (2.6.15) and it's claiming that the root device is (3,1) which it's not (I assume this is the third device, first partition.. like grub)... but... I don't have a third device, just one... partitioned into two... then on boot it bitches that it can't mount /dev/hda on (3,1)... wtf? |
| 06:53.25 | Flimzy | peterS: when you're ready to consider Cox, talk to me... I'd love to earn the commision on that sale :) |
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| 06:53.32 | BlackJudas | Anyone else seen this at all? |
| 06:53.34 | peterS | Flimzy: certainly |
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| 06:53.53 | peterS | Flimzy: oh, I'm sure the telcos have been feeling the heat from VOIP. they are still trying to figure out how to stem the blood flow from cell phones |
| 06:53.55 | jsz_ | dmz? |
| 06:54.04 | jsz_ | foot: whats dmz? |
| 06:54.11 | Flimzy | peterS: Cox is getting into the mobile phone market, too. |
| 06:54.14 | BlackJudas | Demilitarized zone. |
| 06:54.29 | Flimzy | peterS: they have a recent agreement with Sprint... we should start seeing that materialize here in Kansas in 12-24 mos, I'd imagine |
| 06:54.38 | peterS | jsz_: it means outside your firewall, basically |
| 06:54.49 | foot | jsz_, most routers have a setting for one machine to be placed outside of all firewalling/port filtering - normally called dmz |
| 06:54.51 | jsz_ | hmm |
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| 06:55.10 | jsz_ | I don't get you |
| 06:55.18 | peterS | Flimzy: I've avoided cell phones until now, partly because nobody ever needs to talk to me, partly because with DSL I basically have to pay for a land phone anyway. if I switched to a cable modem that would change a bit |
| 06:55.20 | foot | jsz_ and if there's still a problem, its not the router |
| 06:55.21 | jsz_ | it should port forward to it |
| 06:55.24 | Flimzy | jsz_: It's the "neutral zone" for all you trekkies out there :P |
| 06:55.41 | jsz_ | but I can't even remote access the router from the web |
| 06:55.49 | foot | well, thank god |
| 06:55.56 | jsz_ | no |
| 06:56.00 | jsz_ | I should be able to |
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| 06:56.05 | |RABBIT| | so anyone? |
| 06:56.07 | Flimzy | peterS, Indeed. Altho if you don't watch TV, you can save $10/mo on your cable inet bill by getting a phone line... which incidentally costs $11/mo... so when you add it up, it's a phone line for $1 |
| 06:56.41 | peterS | Flimzy: hrrrm. so inet + phone == what price? I don't want the cable TV, digital or otherwise |
| 06:57.05 | RuffianSoldier | anyone here have SLi working? |
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| 06:57.45 | Flimzy | peterS: 4mb/512k Internet + phone = $41 + tax |
| 06:57.58 | Flimzy | peters: er... $51 + tax |
| 06:58.12 | Flimzy | $40 for inet, $11 for phone (Internet w/o phone is $50) |
| 06:58.25 | peterS | Flimzy: ok the other hard question - my POTS phone lists at $16 or so but by the time I pay the various tariffs and fees and crap it comes to $26 plus long distance. that's at least $10 in nickels and dimes. is the cox phone service the same? |
| 06:58.57 | Flimzy | peters: taxes will be roughly the same w/ cox. most of those are per-line fees... $.33 "number portability" and $5.25 FCC |
| 06:59.00 | Flimzy | then sales tax on top of that |
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| 06:59.19 | peterS | yeah I forget what all those line items actually are, it's just discouraging that they add up to that much |
| 06:59.20 | servus | On my Verizon land line (which absolutely does not support long distance - it doesn't even have free local calling), I pay $10 for an "Interstate Subscriber Line Charge". |
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| 06:59.51 | Flimzy | peterS: One of the taxes we pay on phones... (don't remember the name of it)... was implimented as a bond to pay for the war of 1812 |
| 06:59.59 | peterS | ha! |
| 07:00.22 | recall | servus, your land line doesn't have free local calling? Are you living in the 20's? |
| 07:00.24 | Flimzy | peterS: And they never removed it... (and they say we won't be paying for the downtown arena in 3 years) |
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| 07:00.48 | peterS | Flimzy: oh, indeed. well, we might or might not. that's a local government matter, not a feds matter. might be different. |
| 07:00.51 | Flimzy | peterS: Of course in 1812, telephones were a toy for the rich... so it was a tax on the rich. Completely the opposite today |
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| 07:01.19 | peterS | telephones didn't exist in 1812, I'm not even sure telegraphs did. must have started as a tax on something else |
| 07:01.34 | Flimzy | peters: I must have the wrong war in mind |
| 07:01.37 | servus | recall: I don't even have a phone plugged in. I just need a land line of some sort to get DSL, and I said "Cheapest. Line. Possible". Basically, I'm being extorted. |
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| 07:01.43 | Flimzy | maybe WWI? |
| 07:01.45 | buu | Ok next question. What voodoo do I need to make debian a router? |
| 07:01.56 | peterS | Flimzy: could be WWI, or the spanish-american war (1898 or so) |
| 07:02.00 | servus | Should be ready to go out of the box, buu |
| 07:02.01 | recall | servus, I see, and you are. Most of us are. |
| 07:02.03 | servus | Read up on iptables. |
| 07:02.12 | buu | servus: Scary. |
| 07:02.19 | servus | Very |
| 07:02.23 | peterS | buu: depends on what sort of router you're talking about |
| 07:02.31 | liable | buu: iptables, ipmasq, shorewall, monowall, firestarter et al |
| 07:02.31 | peterS | buu: like just forwarding bits between two ethernet cards? |
| 07:02.38 | buu | peterS: At the moment, more or less |
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| 07:02.47 | buu | There's a switch involved. |
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| 07:03.06 | peterS | buu: that can be done by just enabling IP forwarding (some variable in /etc/sysctl.conf) and having a proper routing table |
| 07:03.15 | servus | I use iptables as a router |
| 07:03.19 | Flimzy | peterS, spanish american war. The Federal Excise Tax is from that |
| 07:03.28 | Flimzy | peterS: it's roughly 50 cents/line |
| 07:03.31 | servus | I enable iptables with an echo 1 > /proc/net/something/something/ipforward |
| 07:03.36 | peterS | buu: net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 in sysctl.conf |
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| 07:03.48 | servus | echo 1 > /proc/net/ipv4/ip_forward :P |
| 07:03.49 | peterS | buu: (or echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward) |
| 07:03.55 | servus | Close enough! |
| 07:04.19 | peterS | Flimzy: *nod*. I wonder if it's always been 50 cents. that used to be real money |
| 07:04.37 | asuffield | or "sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" |
| 07:04.51 | buu | Ok, so I echoed 1 to the magical procness |
| 07:04.56 | asuffield | which has the advantage of working after 'sudo' without needing a "sh -c ''" around it |
| 07:04.59 | liable | heh |
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| 07:05.13 | peterS | buu: so now check 'netstat -nr' to see if your routing table looks sane |
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| 07:05.22 | buu | Then I have 'accept' for everything under iptables -t nat -L |
| 07:05.44 | Flimzy | If I can get my HP 4050TN set up using the jet direct card.... I think I can retire my P233 print server |
| 07:05.47 | Flimzy | that would be nice |
| 07:06.06 | peterS | asuffield: eh, why does echo not work in sudo? |
| 07:06.21 | asuffield | peterS: echo works fine. > runs in your shell, not as root |
| 07:06.23 | servus | Because it's not the echo, it's the > |
| 07:06.32 | Gnea | !printing |
| 07:06.32 | dpkg | methinks printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui |
| 07:06.33 | asuffield | running echo as root is pretty pointless |
| 07:06.33 | peterS | oh, right |
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| 07:07.16 | peterS | Flimzy: in my experience, jetdirect cards are not that hard to deal with if you know a bit about bootp/dhcp |
| 07:07.31 | asuffield | IME, jetdirect cards are not hard to deal with unless they're fucking broken |
| 07:07.35 | asuffield | which they are too fucking often |
| 07:07.40 | asuffield | fuckers |
| 07:07.41 | Flimzy | peterS, found some articles saying recently many ppl have been withholding the federal excise tax from their phone bills to protest W's war in Iraq. |
| 07:07.54 | peterS | I'm sure that's really effective |
| 07:08.02 | Flimzy | peterS, If only such a protest would actually cut into the DOD budget... instead of the budget of the telco's, who are required to pay the taxes whether we do or not :/ |
| 07:08.28 | asuffield | the budget of the telcos, who not only pay the taxes, but push up their prices to make *you* pay their taxes |
| 07:08.35 | Flimzy | an estimated 10,000 ppl withhold that tax |
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| 07:08.47 | asuffield | well that's nothing |
| 07:08.54 | peterS | Flimzy: so cox phone service - that's voip, yes? does it come with a voip -> pots box of some sort, or a voip phone, or what? |
| 07:08.57 | asuffield | any it's probably lies anyway |
| 07:09.03 | asuffield | s/any/and/ |
| 07:09.15 | asuffield | apt: eh, fuck you |
| 07:09.17 | Flimzy | peterS: in ICT, it's digital... but not voip. It does come with the MTU you need to plug a standard phone into it. |
| 07:09.28 | servus | echo 1 | sudo tee myrootfile |
| 07:09.29 | servus | :) |
| 07:09.42 | Flimzy | peters: we do have voip in topeka... and as of tomorrow, salina |
| 07:09.48 | peterS | ah, heh |
| 07:10.00 | kingsley | Why wouldn efax answer an incoming data call and establish a connection, but fail to launch getty? |
| 07:10.07 | peterS | so a digital phone service not based on voip ... I don't get it. why? |
| 07:10.15 | Flimzy | 10k protesters x 12 mos... = $60k per year. The bush admin. would really feel that pinch... ha! |
| 07:10.33 | peterS | Flimzy: yeah, that's like two congressional staffers they couldn't hire |
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| 07:10.42 | Flimzy | peterS: B/c when they were ready to roll-out telephony in ICT, the VOIP product wasn't mature or somesuch. So they went with some other form of digital |
| 07:10.51 | peterS | ah |
| 07:11.01 | buu | Hrm. I'm not getting to the internet |
| 07:11.13 | peterS | the internet doesn't want you, buu |
| 07:11.18 | asuffield | buu: it's just across the street |
| 07:11.22 | Flimzy | peterS: It's actually more complex... more expensive. But you don't see that cost (well, not any more than anyone else does--Wichita, Topeka, and Salina all pay the same price for telephone) |
| 07:11.26 | asuffield | buu: but QUICK, IT'S GETTING AWAY |
| 07:11.31 | I4NI | you trying to do NAT buu? |
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| 07:12.06 | buu | peterS: But I want it! |
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| 07:12.22 | asuffield | buu: then start running |
| 07:12.33 | peterS | Flimzy: I notice my apartment-neighbors are using cox for phone. at least, that's what it looks like, when I had to investigate my own phone hookup down in the shared basement recently (: |
| 07:12.35 | buu | asuffield: How about a tractor beam? |
| 07:12.47 | asuffield | you think you've got TIME to invent a tractor beam? |
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| 07:12.54 | Flimzy | peterS: hehe... find a big white box there? |
| 07:13.11 | I4NI | you trying to do NAT buu? I just started reading this convo |
| 07:13.16 | servus | I already have a tractor beam. It's got an iron hook on one end, a rope on the other 8^) |
| 07:13.21 | peterS | flimzy: well, I was investigating a service outage of my own. I go down there and at the breakout box their lines are just *cut*. I thought they were *my* lines for a bit there. |
| 07:13.45 | asuffield | servus: I have to wonder what the bit in the middle is |
| 07:13.46 | peterS | Flimzy: outside the building where the test line is and stuff, they have a separate one from mine, yeah |
| 07:13.51 | Flimzy | peterS: hehe... yah... SBC and Cox have an... "understanding" |
| 07:13.58 | servus | asuffield: Mostly sloughed off human flesh |
| 07:14.11 | servus | And an s-hook, I suppose |
| 07:14.38 | asuffield | peterS: dude, around here you're lucky if you find the lines cut |
| 07:14.44 | Flimzy | peterS: SBC sued Cox for using their POTS network without permission in MDUs... as a result, Cox now has to cut the line from SBC at the point of entry into the residential unit. That's probably what you saw. |
| 07:14.49 | asuffield | peterS: and not, say, just ripped apart with a spade |
| 07:15.06 | asuffield | the BT underground engineers need only one tool! |
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| 07:15.18 | Flimzy | peterS: In the long run, it's hurting SBC... bb/c now SBC has to roll a truck any time a new tenant wants to switch back to SBC. Had they left well enough alone, SBC could have turned those customers on remotely and saved some $50+ per truck roll. |
| 07:15.21 | peterS | Flimzy: *nod*. anyway I thought for sure someone had just vandalised my own phone lines. until I traced the wires back to my walls |
| 07:16.30 | peterS | Flimzy: so in other words it's more work for *both* companies to do it this way. how lovely. |
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| 07:16.40 | Flimzy | peterS: yup |
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| 07:17.21 | buu | peterS: What else do I need for the windows to get out? |
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| 07:17.42 | peterS | Flimzy: OTOH it might be possible to charge the new customer for the hookup. when I bought my phone service the guy tried to scare me into a $5 insurance policy of sorts, which would cover line repairs inside my dwelling, since after all I had no way of knowing if my wiring worked yet |
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| 07:18.03 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 07:18.08 | Flimzy | yeah, Cox has a similar offer |
| 07:18.17 | peterS | Flimzy: the implication was that if my line didn't work, and the problem was on my side of the box outside the building, I'd have to pay for the repair |
| 07:18.32 | Flimzy | Yeah.. same deal w/ Cox |
| 07:18.32 | I4NI | buu: try shorewall on your nat box, you need a firewall anyways, and shorewall does nat, kill two birds with one stone |
| 07:18.43 | Flimzy | OTOH, in an MDU, in theory at least, the landlord should pay for such repairs |
| 07:18.44 | buu | I4NI: Isn't shorewall a distribution? |
| 07:18.49 | peterS | Flimzy: I didn't buy the policy, even for the first month, I figured I'd take my chances that the line was good. but if the previous tenant had had Cox, maybe the gamble wouldn't have paid off |
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| 07:19.01 | peterS | yeah, you'd think so. that's a good point. |
| 07:19.01 | liable | buu: no |
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| 07:19.09 | I4NI | buu: no, its a firewall program |
| 07:19.14 | buu | Oh well. Ok then. |
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| 07:20.53 | odla | !seen abrotman |
| 07:20.53 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 10h 8m 24s ago, saying: 'raf256: huh ?'. |
| 07:21.06 | ludi | are there keyboard shortcuts to foreign language accents for characters? |
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| 07:21.29 | npx | apt, chuck norris? |
| 07:21.40 | npx | dpkg, chuck norris? |
| 07:21.47 | npx | bastards! lol |
| 07:22.05 | peterS | so who was that moron? |
| 07:22.06 | liable | wow.. |
| 07:22.43 | Phated | Heh. |
| 07:22.44 | buu | I4NI: Er, how do I start it? |
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| 07:23.04 | buu | I4NI: It said 'startup variable' ? |
| 07:23.23 | liable | buu: http://www.shorewall.net/two-interface.htm read.. |
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| 07:23.43 | somedude | is ubuntu better than debian |
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| 07:23.49 | peterS | somedude: yes |
| 07:23.55 | somedude | cool |
| 07:23.58 | recall | !chuck norris ? =) |
| 07:24.13 | peterS | recall: go away, npx already tried that |
| 07:24.28 | I4NI | yeah somedude ubuntu is better... thats why we all run debian |
| 07:24.28 | buu | Yay internet. |
| 07:24.42 | somedude | cool |
| 07:24.48 | somedude | ok ima try ubuntu |
| 07:24.49 | somedude | thx |
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| 07:24.55 | peterS | ha |
| 07:24.58 | peterS | he believed us |
| 07:25.07 | Gnea | lol |
| 07:25.09 | liable | well, in his case its prolly true |
| 07:25.29 | peterS | right, I figure anyone as unspecific as he is probably is best off on ubuntu |
| 07:25.36 | peterS | and *we* are probably best off not having to support him |
| 07:25.41 | recall | peterS, I have informed dpkg, though if it was possible to kick the user out of the room after a request for this information, chuck norris would approve, I think. |
| 07:25.45 | TBBle | Solved two problems with one stone. |
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| 07:26.24 | peterS | recall: I have a hard time imagining chuck norris being at all on-topic in debian-related channels, though, which is to say, all channels dpkg lives in |
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| 07:26.43 | ludi | where do i go to look up the unicode for characters with accents? |
| 07:27.03 | peterS | ludi: /usr/share/unidata/UnicodeData-4.0.1d1b.txt |
| 07:27.16 | peterS | ludi: or run the 'gucharmap' utility if you must have pointy clicky things |
| 07:27.38 | ludi | peterS: no i just need the actual unicode |
| 07:27.56 | recall | peterS, there could be a lonely night...where we sit around the deb-fire and...erm...nevermind. |
| 07:28.00 | peterS | ludi: the files in /usr/share/unidata/ are what you want then |
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| 07:29.04 | Flimzy | wot woot |
| 07:29.08 | Flimzy | my IVTV card works in Linux now! |
| 07:29.14 | peterS | hey, cool |
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| 07:29.18 | Flimzy | granted, all I see is static yet |
| 07:29.24 | ludi | how would I make a á in unicode? |
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| 07:29.28 | Flimzy | but that's better than the module errors I had before |
| 07:29.36 | ludi | how would I make a ë in unicode also? |
| 07:29.39 | Flimzy | and hey! I can see the static in high-def! |
| 07:29.40 | Flimzy | heh |
| 07:30.05 | Flimzy | now it is time to start playing with my cable boxes |
| 07:30.08 | jae | Is HD static really that much better than normal static? |
| 07:30.12 | Flimzy | to get them controlled by myth |
| 07:30.23 | Flimzy | jae: It's much bigger! |
| 07:30.32 | peterS | ludi: use a unicode map for your keyboard, I guess |
| 07:30.33 | htedrom | hey all. |
| 07:30.34 | htedrom | i'm trying to get my debian netinstall to work as a boot disc, but the default kernel doesn't seem to be booting with ide support |
| 07:30.39 | Flimzy | I should try the firewire bit now |
| 07:30.41 | htedrom | any ideas? |
| 07:30.47 | peterS | ludi: you mean á and ë I guess |
| 07:31.01 | Flimzy | I'll hafta find a better Myth theme soon, too |
| 07:31.29 | htedrom | anyone? |
| 07:31.32 | TBBle | ludi: Was that a tilde my IRC client has converted, or a high-bar? |
| 07:31.41 | buu | Hrm. Shorewall is scary complicated. Anything involve point and clicking? |
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| 07:32.03 | ludi | TBBle- I don't see your earlier comment |
| 07:32.08 | peterS | buu: webmin-shorewall? |
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| 07:32.17 | AgentJ87 | hi all |
| 07:32.17 | htedrom | anyone? |
| 07:32.19 | htedrom | no one? |
| 07:32.21 | TBBle | htedrom: Tried 2.4 _and_ 2.6? I had some problems booting 2.6 from Sarge netinst not finding the sata disks or something. |
| 07:32.21 | htedrom | some one? |
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| 07:32.27 | TBBle | ludi: What earlier comment? |
| 07:32.27 | EdLin | !any one? |
| 07:32.30 | AgentJ87 | i need help |
| 07:32.38 | AgentJ87 | how do i change permissoin on a folder |
| 07:32.40 | ludi | TBBle ludi: Was that a tilde my IRC client has converted, or a high-bar? |
| 07:32.42 | AgentJ87 | to make it write/read |
| 07:32.43 | peterS | AgentJ87: chmod, chown |
| 07:32.44 | EdLin | phoey |
| 07:32.46 | htedrom | TBBle: yea i have |
| 07:32.52 | TBBle | ludi: I thought you said you didn't see it? |
| 07:32.54 | EdLin | !folder |
| 07:32.54 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 07:33.05 | TBBle | htedrom: Beats me then. Is it some kind of far-out whacky IDE host? |
| 07:33.15 | AgentJ87 | «peterS» can u give me example for folder permission change |
| 07:33.19 | jae | !my computer |
| 07:33.22 | htedrom | no man, they're just plain old and simple |
| 07:33.28 | htedrom | i've never had a problem with them before |
| 07:33.39 | TBBle | htedrom: This _is_ a Sarge netinst disk, right? |
| 07:33.42 | htedrom | them = my two ide drives |
| 07:33.43 | ludi | TBBle: you asked if that was a tilde or a high-bar that your IRC client converted. I responded that I can't find the earlier post that you are asking that question about. |
| 07:33.43 | peterS | AgentJ87: 'chmod a+w /folder/name' sets /folder/name where anyone can write to it |
| 07:33.48 | htedrom | TBBle: yea |
| 07:33.57 | TBBle | ludi: Oh, I see. I meant this one: |
| 07:33.58 | AgentJ87 | ty peters |
| 07:34.01 | buu | peterS: Anything else? |
| 07:34.04 | neuterspay | grendal_prime: Disconnect on accident. |
| 07:34.08 | AgentJ87 | iono lemme try it |
| 07:34.08 | TBBle | 18:29 < ludi> how would I make a �in unicode? |
| 07:34.11 | peterS | buu: I have no idea, I don't run a firewall of any sort |
| 07:34.24 | I4NI | wow, shorewall has a webmin? Didnt know that, I prefer manually editing config files |
| 07:34.32 | peterS | TBBle: that line had á in iso-8859-1 |
| 07:34.37 | TBBle | Ah. |
| 07:34.39 | ludi | TBBle: it looks like this to me �in |
| 07:35.00 | buu | I4NI: I just want something working =[ |
| 07:35.21 | peterS | TBBle: if you could read á as 'a' with acute accent, you're in utf-8 |
| 07:35.30 | AgentJ87 | «peterS» how do i edit file |
| 07:35.35 | AgentJ87 | vi filename? |
| 07:35.48 | peterS | AgentJ87: there are lots of editors in debian. vi is somewhat hard to learn. nano is easier. |
| 07:35.59 | I4NI | buu: Its actually pretty simple, just copy the default config files from /usr/share/doc/shorewall/default-config to /etc/shorewall |
| 07:36.28 | I4NI | then download the two-interfaces.tgz from shorewall.net, copy those files to /etc/shorewall |
| 07:36.32 | TBBle | In that case, no. I see it as a JIS high-bar. Which prolly means it was a ~ in ASCII |
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| 07:37.11 | AgentJ87 | «peterS» whats command to save file |
| 07:37.14 | AgentJ87 | :Wq? |
| 07:37.27 | peterS | TBBle: SJIS doesn't have "a + acute accent" at all, right. |
| 07:37.35 | ludi | so how do you write á in unicode? |
| 07:38.05 | peterS | ludi: you don't directly. you write it using a unicode encoding, such as UTF-8. UTF-8 is the most popular unicode encoding in Unix / Linux. |
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| 07:38.11 | TBBle | ludi: Assuming you're in a UTF-8 locale, and have a keymap loaded with accents (ie not en_US, try en_GB if you're unsure) then ` a might do it. |
| 07:38.15 | peterS | ludi: in UTF-8 you say it as á. |
| 07:38.20 | recall | AgentJ87, wq or x will save and quit. Try nano for small jobs, it's easier than learning vi/vim. |
| 07:38.24 | britt | !seen Flimzy |
| 07:38.25 | dpkg | flimzy is currently on #debian (4h 6m 35s). Has said a total of 204 messages. Is idling for 7m 24s |
| 07:38.33 | TBBle | Ah, that á came through OK. |
| 07:38.52 | buu | I4NI: Er, where is the two-interfaces bit? |
| 07:39.09 | britt | Flimzy: the newest WRT54Gs arent linux based, some propretary vxware thing. It sucks. |
| 07:39.20 | liable | buu: err, didnt you see the link i posted?? |
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| 07:39.28 | buu | Yes? It's a .htm file |
| 07:39.49 | Flimzy | britt: You can run a user linux image on them, tho, or so I've heard |
| 07:40.05 | britt | Flimzy: even the v5 ones? this one is the newest one. |
| 07:40.27 | britt | Flimzy: alchemy or any of the swevasoft stuff doesnt work with the v5 |
| 07:40.28 | Flimzy | britt: If they run Linux, then they have to be opensource... so I would hope so |
| 07:40.58 | buu | I don't see a link from two-interfaces.htm to any tgz file |
| 07:41.20 | britt | anyway, I think I might just spring for a WAP54 or maybe even a WAP11 |
| 07:41.31 | liable | buu: read the thing, there in your docs. |
| 07:41.35 | ludi | peterS: How did you make that à |
| 07:41.43 | I4NI | buu: ftp.shorewall.net/pub/shorewall/Samples |
| 07:41.45 | NoboruKun | The stable release of debian is 3.1 sarge ? |
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| 07:41.58 | peterS | ludi: I have a script in my irc client that lets me type a line in UTF-8 if I wish. if I don't invoke the script my lines come out as ISO-8859-1. |
| 07:42.05 | EdLin | NoboruKun: yep |
| 07:42.16 | peterS | ludi: I wrote the script so I could communicate with people who insist on using UTF-8 (: |
| 07:42.26 | buu | I4NI: Thanks. |
| 07:42.37 | NoboruKun | EdLin, so do you know how long it will last before sarge is being removed from apt source officially ? |
| 07:43.16 | ludi | aren't there shortcuts on the keyboard, like shift + ~ + <character> ? |
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| 07:43.18 | peterS | NoboruKun: typically a release has been supported for about a year after the next release comes out |
| 07:43.21 | EdLin | NoboruKun: it will become oldstable before it's removed for a while after the next stable release. |
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| 07:43.35 | ludi | peterS: aren't there shortcuts on the keyboard, like shift + ~ + <character> that can allow me to type in accented characters? |
| 07:43.37 | peterS | ludi: on my keyboard I hit <compose> ' a to get á. then if I run it through my script it converts that to UTF-8. |
| 07:43.43 | EdLin | NoboruKun: of course, Debian is so safe to upgrde that this is not a problem |
| 07:43.49 | EdLin | upgrade* |
| 07:44.00 | peterS | ludi: I set up a keymap a long time ago to allow me to type all the characters in iso-8859-15 easily. |
| 07:44.01 | NoboruKun | peterS, so when was sarge stable out ? |
| 07:44.07 | punsad | I'm about to get rid of an old laptop and want to make sure all data is off hard drive. Can I just delete all data, then write a script that goes infinite loop and writes data to disk? |
| 07:44.21 | ludi | peterS: how about just a regular keyboard running gnome on debian 'etch'. |
| 07:44.25 | peterS | NoboruKun: sarge was released in early June 2005. so woody (debian 3.0) will probably disappear from the mirrors in another few months. |
| 07:44.27 | paivakil | NoboruKun: sarge was out about for about 3 - 4 years now |
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| 07:44.34 | paivakil | it was declared `stable' few months back |
| 07:44.37 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: Take care in following the upgrade instructions and *especially* backup /etc |
| 07:44.41 | punsad | I figure this would literally write junk data to the drive over all previous data |
| 07:44.45 | britt | paivakil: not stable. |
| 07:44.46 | peterS | ludi: oh, I have no idea what the gnome keymaps look like or how to set them up. I did what I did more or less by hand |
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| 07:45.06 | NoboruKun | I see |
| 07:45.18 | liable | !releases |
| 07:45.18 | dpkg | well, releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 07:45.30 | helix | I wish I could understand the importance of corel draw |
| 07:45.32 | NoboruKun | im not worrying about upgrading in debian ,but if so what should i do with the web-hosting softwares ? |
| 07:45.40 | helix | hrm, wrong channel |
| 07:45.56 | peterS | does corel draw even live anymore? |
| 07:46.02 | peterS | I thought it kind of faded away about 8 years ago |
| 07:46.15 | grepthis | helix, switched to ubuntu? |
| 07:46.15 | NoboruKun | for example, it supports debian 3.1 ,so if i go buy it, install it on sarge should be fine,but since sarge is gonna be removed soon,what will i do ? |
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| 07:46.24 | helix | grepthis: ...what? |
| 07:46.35 | helix | peterS: I get spam about it constantly |
| 07:46.39 | peterS | NoboruKun: sarge won't be removed until after etch is released, which will happen about a year from now |
| 07:46.42 | britt | !spam |
| 07:46.42 | dpkg | somebody said spam was a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) , razor or crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week) |
| 07:46.46 | helix | it seems an odd thing to get spam about |
| 07:46.47 | grepthis | <helix> hrm, wrong channel |
| 07:46.56 | helix | grepthis: what does that have to do with ubuntu? |
| 07:47.02 | punsad | peterS: that soon? |
| 07:47.05 | grepthis | I didnt pay attention to the coreldraw part sorry. |
| 07:47.11 | peterS | helix: oh, I suppose I probably still get spam that mentions it too. I just don't read my spam very often (: |
| 07:47.14 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: The eta for etch is 1 year. The real time is most likly 2 years off... |
| 07:47.22 | grepthis | helix, I thiught you said wrong channel generally. |
| 07:47.25 | helix | peterS: I don't really read anything besides the subject |
| 07:47.29 | helix | grepthis: uh huh |
| 07:47.38 | liable | helix: dont be so negative.. |
| 07:47.43 | liable | helix: sorry |
| 07:47.44 | buu | Yay shorewall! |
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| 07:47.46 | peterS | punsad: the release managers, and a lot of other people, are very adamant that they intend to release on time this time. and that means early December 2006. |
| 07:47.48 | liable | HermanDE: ^^ |
| 07:47.49 | TBBle | Wow, way to show lack of faith in the RMs. |
| 07:47.50 | buu | Hello helix! |
| 07:47.55 | helix | what in the crap |
| 07:47.57 | buu | =[ |
| 07:47.59 | helix | hey buuz |
| 07:48.00 | Flimzy | How can I grant access to firewire port(s) to a user? |
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| 07:48.25 | buu | helix: My gigabit is not working. This tragedy. |
| 07:48.28 | peterS | Flimzy: oooh, good question. if it's got a hard drive plugged into it I suppose you chmod /dev/sd[whatever] |
| 07:48.35 | helix | buu: aww |
| 07:48.36 | punsad | peterS: woody made it all the way to 2.7, you are saying sarge will only get to 3.1? |
| 07:48.36 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, so after the time is expired by then sarge is no more supported ,i will need to upgrade it to a newer release,so i need to repay money for that 3rd party software :( isnt there a way to stay with sarge while having all necessary patches from debian officially and legally ? |
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| 07:48.53 | peterS | punsad: what do you mean, 2.7? |
| 07:48.58 | paivakil | NoboruKun: that is a good 4 years away |
| 07:48.58 | I4NI | buu: enable ip forwarding in shorewall.conf, then edit rules file and set ALLOW fw net |
| 07:49.02 | Flimzy | peterS, No... for a video device. The user in question is already a member of group 'video' (which owns /dev/video*) |
| 07:49.08 | helix | buu: my coworker refers to it as 'jiggabit' because english is not his first language |
| 07:49.09 | britt | NoboruKun: cant you do a future source change |
| 07:49.11 | buu | I4NI: Er, it's working. |
| 07:49.20 | helix | so he says jiggawatt, jiggabyte |
| 07:49.26 | buu | helix: jiggabit is the correct pronounciation.. |
| 07:49.28 | peterS | Flimzy: hrrm, if the kernel is handling the backend such that you're just using v4l or v4l2, that should be sufficient |
| 07:49.35 | helix | jiggawha |
| 07:49.37 | HermanDE | liable: For thoes of us that have been here since bo (Debian 1.3)... Nothing is confirmed until the actual date..... |
| 07:49.37 | nvz | helix: maybe he also is into hip-hop culture |
| 07:49.40 | NoboruKun | britt, huh ? |
| 07:49.43 | punsad | peterS: the last major version of woody was 2.7 (IIRC) before sarge was converted to stable |
| 07:49.47 | helix | nvz: nah, he's just italian |
| 07:49.52 | I4NI | buu: NAT is working? |
| 07:49.54 | nvz | helix: ah, me too |
| 07:49.57 | Flimzy | 2006-01-08 01:49:37.660 Firewire: unable to get handle for port: 0, bailing |
| 07:49.57 | Flimzy | firewire port: Permission denied |
| 07:50.00 | liable | HermanDE: sure, see my previous comment.. :P |
| 07:50.00 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: Sarge will have a lifetime of about 2 to 3 years..... |
| 07:50.03 | britt | NoboruKun: do the backdoor apt source change |
| 07:50.05 | punsad | peterS: stable is still at point 1 |
| 07:50.07 | peterS | Flimzy: if not ... I don't know what the firewire equivalent of /proc/bus/usb/NNN/NNN is though. (for raw access) |
| 07:50.16 | buu | I4NI: Well, my windows box can talk to google and it can talk to, so apparently. |
| 07:50.19 | nvz | helix: but I am like 3rd generation italian. I speak broken english nativlyh |
| 07:50.20 | Flimzy | peterS: I'm not exactly sure _what_ that's trying to access.. but doesn't look like a /dev/video* entry |
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| 07:50.23 | helix | nvz: no, he's actually from italy -- you know, the only kind of people who can actually truthfully claim to be italian :) |
| 07:50.24 | HermanDE | liable: Just rejoined after a pizza/football reruns..... |
| 07:50.26 | peterS | punsad: oh you mean 3.0r7, not 2.7 |
| 07:50.28 | deadcat_ | is locales broken? its trying to rm base-config when i dist-upgrade |
| 07:50.28 | punsad | I guesss it will be updated over the year |
| 07:50.28 | britt | change stable to unstable and then apt-get update &&apt-get upgrade |
| 07:50.38 | I4NI | buu: excellent! |
| 07:50.43 | buu | I4NI: Yep. |
| 07:50.47 | liable | deadcat_: you need base-config? |
| 07:50.54 | NoboruKun | britt, oh |
| 07:50.55 | nvz | helix: my grandparents are from italy.. though like I said I've never been there |
| 07:50.59 | buu | I4NI: Now if only my windows box really truly believed it had a gigabit nic |
| 07:51.01 | britt | NoboruKun: just a thought. |
| 07:51.06 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, if so,i think i need to wait |
| 07:51.08 | peterS | punsad: right, I suspect we'll have about 2 or 3 point releases between now and December |
| 07:51.09 | deadcat_ | liable: dont we? |
| 07:51.13 | Jeaton | are there desktops that uses arm processors? |
| 07:51.14 | britt | i'm out fellas thanks Flimzy for your help. |
| 07:51.19 | liable | deadcat_: not really, no. |
| 07:51.22 | peterS | punsad: probably 2, but possibly 3. |
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| 07:51.24 | britt | Jeaton: not that i know of. no |
| 07:51.26 | deadcat_ | liable: ah. thanks |
| 07:51.27 | helix | do people in !US countries try to be as ethnic as the ones here? or are they kinda like "yeah so what if my parents are from africa, I'm german"? |
| 07:51.32 | peterS | Jeaton: there are a few. not modern ones. |
| 07:51.35 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: Ok, woody will die at the release of etch.... |
| 07:51.43 | peterS | Jeaton: boxes that ran riscos, mainly |
| 07:51.44 | buu | helix: Dashed americans. |
| 07:51.50 | Flimzy | britt, np |
| 07:51.51 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: Sarge will die at the release of the version after etch.... |
| 07:51.54 | NoboruKun | etch ? |
| 07:51.55 | Jeaton | britt - is debian made for those old ones or what? |
| 07:51.56 | liable | HermanDE: where you from? |
| 07:51.59 | liable | grr |
| 07:52.02 | liable | HermanDE: sorry |
| 07:52.03 | Flimzy | peterS: /dev/raw1394... was owned by root.disk. |
| 07:52.06 | liable | helix: ^^ |
| 07:52.10 | Jeaton | meaning the arm debian release |
| 07:52.14 | helix | liable: I am from florida |
| 07:52.16 | NoboruKun | etch the next build after sarge ? |
| 07:52.16 | peterS | Flimzy: ahh yeah. I forgot about the raw1394 kernel module |
| 07:52.22 | helix | poor liable and tab completions |
| 07:52.37 | HermanDE | liable: Urth... Third planet from the sun called sol... How about you.... |
| 07:52.37 | britt | Jeaton: yeah...PocketPCs use arm processors, so anything you'd need would be coming from that area-ish |
| 07:52.39 | liable | heh, having a bad run with the H's tonight.. :) |
| 07:52.39 | nvz | helix: I think we just recognise that US is a young country and we cant really claim US heratige |
| 07:52.50 | helix | you and your parents were born here |
| 07:52.53 | Flimzy | well no more errors |
| 07:52.56 | Flimzy | but no picture |
| 07:52.56 | Jeaton | ah, ok |
| 07:52.59 | Flimzy | I guess that's progress |
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| 07:53.02 | peterS | nvz: that's not true. people a hundred years ago were very proud to get into the american melting pot thing |
| 07:53.03 | helix | at what point do you claim you're american? when you leave the country? :) |
| 07:53.07 | Jeaton | now what about sparc, what would that be |
| 07:53.21 | britt | Jeaton: sun boxes |
| 07:53.26 | Jeaton | ok |
| 07:53.35 | nvz | helix: yeah but in my memorable history I can trace my roots back on that boat.. I dont even have to dip into a history book |
| 07:53.37 | britt | Jeaton: debian has a image on the website |
| 07:53.39 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: security seems to support stable and stable -1.... |
| 07:53.47 | britt | Jeaton: a arm version is also available too |
| 07:53.58 | Jeaton | britt - yeah, that's where im reading it from |
| 07:54.01 | Flimzy | ah, there is an error affterall |
| 07:54.05 | britt | ok. |
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| 07:54.17 | Jeaton | i just never saw distros on some of those processors |
| 07:54.21 | punsad | has anyone else read (skimmed) "The Debian System" book.. it's pretty good |
| 07:54.26 | peterS | Jeaton: arm is used in the older Netwinder servers, and in a lot of embedded devices like PocketPCs and such |
| 07:54.26 | liable | helix: in answer to you're question, i am sure you might have seen the recent unrest in Oz regarding ethnic violence (answer=yes) |
| 07:54.33 | Jeaton | ok |
| 07:54.35 | punsad | just came out late '05 |
| 07:54.36 | peterS | Jeaton: it's also used in some wireless APs |
| 07:54.46 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, what dos that stable -1 stand for |
| 07:54.46 | britt | Jeaton: NT was supposed to install on the powerPC processor too |
| 07:54.57 | helix | liable: I only remember the stuff in france, I don't keep up with aussie politics really |
| 07:55.03 | nvz | helix: you want me to say I am a quaker? because I was born in Sewickley (Sweetwater) in the quaker valley? |
| 07:55.03 | Jeaton | really |
| 07:55.07 | Jeaton | i was curious about that |
| 07:55.16 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: The version prior to stable... For example woody and sarge are currently supported... |
| 07:55.28 | liable | helix: cool, i thought it made the world press, but anyways, answer is still yes. |
| 07:55.30 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: When etch releases, security will support etch and sarge.... |
| 07:55.31 | Jeaton | anyway, thanks |
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| 07:55.32 | helix | nvz: I'm not particularly concerned with what you do, I was merely using you as a data point for something a lot of americans do that I consider weird |
| 07:55.33 | peterS | Jeaton: yeah, NT supported PowerPC ... for a couple years. Microsoft eventually figured out they had like 5 customers, so they dropped it |
| 07:55.40 | Jeaton | heh |
| 07:55.46 | helix | liable: well I don't follow the news in general; I'd be lucky to know what's going on in my own country :) |
| 07:55.51 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: When the version after etch releases then security will support etch and the current stable.... |
| 07:55.53 | zyros | hey can someone help me with an installation problem?............ |
| 07:55.53 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, I understood |
| 07:55.54 | TBBle | Australians aren't particularly good at rioting. The third day was called off due to inclement weather. |
| 07:55.57 | britt | Jeaton: *shrugs* thats what the directory on the CD suggested. never tried it, and now i dont have a windows computer. i have more hair now |
| 07:56.02 | helix | TBBle: seriously? :) |
| 07:56.20 | TBBle | Seriously. |
| 07:56.20 | liable | TBBle: you cant drink and get get roudy when its too cold :) |
| 07:56.29 | nvz | helix: yeah.. well americans do weird things. I attribute it to as I've said not having as long and strong of a cultural history as the other cultures we claim |
| 07:56.37 | britt | TBBle: tell the russians that. |
| 07:56.37 | TBBle | It was overcast, and looked like rain. |
| 07:56.44 | helix | TBBle: that's so funny |
| 07:56.57 | peterS | nvz: I don't think that's it at all. america has a very distinct, if varied, culture. never mind whether it goes back 500 years or only 300. |
| 07:57.01 | punsad | zyros: whats ur problem? |
| 07:57.15 | liable | yeah, but sydneysiders are pretty, well, different.. |
| 07:57.32 | zyros | punsad, /etc.rcs.d/s36discover: line 204: 413 segmentation fault modprobe $MODULE |
| 07:57.41 | nvz | peterS , helix : though in retrospect the country has beenb around over 500 years and done a lot in thtat time.. maybe we are being unpatriotic when we do these things |
| 07:57.43 | helix | nvz: I'd be more likely to attribute it to people either trying to distinguish themselves as ethnically distinct or ... something |
| 07:57.47 | zyros | punsad, after i install debian |
| 07:58.01 | helix | because you are /way/ more american than you are italian |
| 07:58.04 | nvz | helix: yeah.. we dont want to be like everyone else in the country? :P |
| 07:58.07 | punsad | zyros: does the system hang after that? |
| 07:58.13 | helix | but you are, that's why it's funny |
| 07:58.16 | peterS | helix: probably overtones of everyone trying to be a persecuted minority group, or something |
| 07:58.21 | zyros | punsad, yes |
| 07:58.26 | britt | cya! |
| 07:58.30 | HermanDE | Gawd... The radio is talking about tracking cookies being *SPY-WARE*.. And cookies being illegal.... |
| 07:58.33 | zyros | punsad, it also says some other things |
| 07:58.39 | helix | mmm cookies |
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| 07:58.48 | punsad | zyros: it literally says "modprobe $MODULE" |
| 07:58.58 | punsad | ? |
| 07:59.02 | zyros | punsad, yes |
| 07:59.10 | NoboruKun | Thanks all for helping me whoever was, i will think it over :) |
| 07:59.12 | TBBle | Cookies being illegal? The horror! |
| 07:59.18 | peterS | mmmm, cookies |
| 07:59.24 | Phated | Heh. |
| 07:59.26 | zyros | punsad, it says the exact line i typed |
| 07:59.28 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: Remember... This really is fun.... |
| 07:59.36 | peterS | I wonder if I have the stuff to ... no, no chocolate chips on hand |
| 07:59.40 | helix | I always thought "cookies" was such a crap name for them |
| 07:59.50 | punsad | zyros: is discover able to recognize any hardware at al? |
| 07:59.50 | ludi | so does anyone know how to type an á without copying and pasting it from another application? |
| 07:59.54 | peterS | helix: what would you prefer, biscuits? |
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| 07:59.58 | Phated | peterS: I do :D |
| 08:00.04 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, but when you plan to use it to make money ..it is more serious considerations |
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| 08:00.13 | helix | no sir |
| 08:00.13 | Phated | peterS: 'parasites'. |
| 08:00.14 | HermanDE | helix: I like the idea of "Tracking Emblem".... |
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| 08:00.20 | helix | tracking EMBLEM? |
| 08:00.21 | *** part/#debian longHair__ (n=scott@c-24-118-153-76.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 08:00.32 | nvz | helix: you should write a book. |
| 08:00.35 | peterS | Phated: I was contemplating a trip to the store tonight anyway. maybe I'll get some chocolate chips and stuff.. |
| 08:00.37 | fooz | a cookie is just a cookie, but newtons are data and code! |
| 08:00.39 | zyros | punsad, im not sure, it seems like it does tho, because it goes through alot of loading before that happens |
| 08:00.39 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: I have enough clients running debian... An upgrade is $$$ in my pocket.... |
| 08:00.40 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, i cannt afford win2003, so xxxx expensive |
| 08:00.42 | helix | nvz: should I? |
| 08:00.43 | Phated | \o/ |
| 08:00.44 | punsad | zyros: so this happens "right after you install debian." Does that mean you got through the base install and reboot for the first time? |
| 08:00.53 | Flimzy | ooh |
| 08:00.55 | nvz | helix: yeah you've got interesting views on things |
| 08:00.55 | zyros | punsad, yes |
| 08:00.59 | Flimzy | myth is commercial flagging my static recording! |
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| 08:01.05 | TBBle | ludi: My suggestion didn't work? |
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| 08:01.10 | helix | nvz: do you think I could make more money than that fat white guy? |
| 08:01.16 | helix | michael moore! |
| 08:01.16 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: Yep, but it is easy... And security tools will usually cost ya as well..... |
| 08:01.17 | punsad | zyros: is this a problematic box? could it be the hardware? |
| 08:01.17 | peterS | nvz: interesting views in the I should syndicate a blog kind of way, anyway |
| 08:01.23 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, wait...do you mean you are doing web-hosting ? |
| 08:01.26 | nvz | helix: you'd have to turn it into a movie |
| 08:01.31 | helix | no way, I never express my views in my blog! |
| 08:01.33 | zyros | punsad, im not sure it is a laptop, possibly |
| 08:01.33 | cafuego | Flimzy: it probably refuses to believe a show can go more more then 4 minutes without an adbreak ;-) |
| 08:01.38 | Phated | helix: No one can make more money than a fat white guy. :) |
| 08:01.42 | punsad | zyros: how old? |
| 08:01.45 | helix | Phated: so true, so true |
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| 08:01.48 | Flimzy | cafuego, hehe |
| 08:01.51 | zyros | punsad, 1 year |
| 08:01.58 | peterS | helix: your views are much less interesting than michael moore's. they're also views I can respect a lot more. not at all the same metric, you see |
| 08:02.02 | Flimzy | I wish there were more diagnostic tools available for Linux :/ |
| 08:02.03 | punsad | zyros: wow... shouldn't have any problems then |
| 08:02.06 | zyros | punsad, i was running gentoo before |
| 08:02.09 | helix | Phated: I had some questions about singapore but I totally forgot what they were |
| 08:02.15 | Phated | helix: Heh. |
| 08:02.15 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: Yep.. I have a client with a rented box... It is running Ubuntu...Yes a mistake on my part.... It will be changed to sarge soon.... |
| 08:02.16 | punsad | zyros: what kind of laptop? |
| 08:02.19 | cafuego | Flimzy: /bin/cat and /proc should be enough for anyone |
| 08:02.25 | Phated | helix: query me when you remember or summat. |
| 08:02.34 | Phated | http://www.bustedtees.com/shirts/condiments # Bahah. |
| 08:02.34 | helix | Phated: I'm not sure what that means. but... I'm touched? |
| 08:02.37 | zyros | punsad, compaq presario 2200 ,celeron 1.4..... |
| 08:02.54 | Flimzy | cafuego, hmm |
| 08:02.55 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, cool,may i know which web-hosting solution tool you use ? |
| 08:02.57 | fooz | I should become a bot |
| 08:03.05 | peterS | zoofbot? |
| 08:03.06 | ludi | TBBle: would you mind repeating your suggestion? |
| 08:03.08 | cafuego | fooz: ooh, upgrading? |
| 08:03.08 | nvz | Phated: I had some too.. I was wondering if that was a really technological country or if you anf timgoh are just technophiles by chance |
| 08:03.16 | helix | fooz: have the hanson brothers sing your theme song! |
| 08:03.21 | Flimzy | cafuego, where in /proc? |
| 08:03.27 | TBBle | ludi: Assuming you're in a UTF-8 locale, and have a keymap loaded with accents (ie not en_US, try en_GB if you're unsure) then ` a might do it. |
| 08:03.37 | cafuego | Flimzy: /proc/sys is traditional, I believe |
| 08:03.49 | punsad | zyros: have you looked it up on tuxmobile.org? I belie there is report of debian installing successfully on v2000 and v2400 |
| 08:03.54 | Phated | nvz: Eh, kind of half that. Depends. Most kids are pretty savvy, but there are some technophobes. timgoh0 is a techniphile. I'm just a dork. :) |
| 08:03.59 | Phated | helix: Heh. |
| 08:04.04 | nvz | heh |
| 08:04.05 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: Apache + PHP + LDAP + Postgres..... |
| 08:04.17 | peterS | Phated: you should become a scary network guy when you grow up |
| 08:04.20 | fooz | how's zope 3? |
| 08:04.22 | nvz | Phated: like does the govt support it.. like paying for higher education in that area? |
| 08:04.28 | Phated | peterS: Nah. |
| 08:04.33 | Phated | nvz: Bahahaha, no. |
| 08:04.40 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: With Maradns running as the dns server.... |
| 08:04.43 | zyros | punsad, no i havent |
| 08:04.55 | Phated | nvz: But .gov is quite nice. One of the ministries made their staff move to oo.o. |
| 08:04.59 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, no sorry,i actually meant which tool ...plesk ? cpanel / etc ? |
| 08:05.00 | cafuego | Singapores higher education system is called "Australia" ;-) <heh> |
| 08:05.08 | Phated | Oy. |
| 08:05.10 | peterS | cafuego: ha |
| 08:05.10 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: Home grown.... |
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| 08:05.15 | helix | Phated: my coworkers are giving me odd impressions about singapore |
| 08:05.18 | cafuego | Phated: Well, you know ;-) |
| 08:05.20 | helix | they make it sound so totalitarian |
| 08:05.21 | nvz | cafuego: heh :) |
| 08:05.23 | Phated | helix: Heh. |
| 08:05.24 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, you made it ?wow |
| 08:05.26 | Phated | helix: It is! |
| 08:05.28 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: oh hi there |
| 08:05.29 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: It was much easier to put something together than to run a graphic tool.... |
| 08:05.38 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: Heh. Hi. |
| 08:05.38 | punsad | zyros: i'm checking it out right now... looks like somoen installed fedora core on that model... http://linux.is-a-geek.net/laptop/presario-2200-fc3.html |
| 08:05.46 | helix | Phated: when do you escape? |
| 08:05.51 | fooz | i know a guy from singapore, he doesn't seem to mind the totalitarian-ness |
| 08:05.52 | cafuego | Phated: Speaking of tickets, I'm passing through Changi in May |
| 08:06.03 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: Users are inserted and authenticated from the OpenLDAP server... |
| 08:06.05 | fooz | but he's going to CMU, not Australia |
| 08:06.07 | Phated | helix: Dunno. Going to work and stuff and see how life pans out. |
| 08:06.11 | punsad | zyros: from the article "Install of FC3 on the Compaq Presario 2200 went with out issue. The installer picked up all hardware, with the execption of the Broadcom Wireless adapter. I will address this in a moment. |
| 08:06.12 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: All authentication is done here.... |
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| 08:06.18 | Phated | cafuego: Cor, excellent. Give me a call, I'll buy you a drink. |
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| 08:06.31 | Flimzy | cafuego, well I don't see anything about firewire in there. |
| 08:06.32 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: Maradns pulls an update from the ldap server every evening and resets.... |
| 08:06.41 | Flimzy | but I think I'll recompile with debug support |
| 08:06.43 | cafuego | Phated: I only have about 50 mins at the ap, so prolly no time :-( |
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| 08:06.52 | asuffield | Phated: are you old enough to buy people drinks? :P |
| 08:06.53 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, can users change some settings without asking the sys admin ? like they would like to change their database settings and so on |
| 08:06.54 | zyros | punsad, well it has had linux on it before about 3 different distros have installled succesfully |
| 08:06.56 | en1gma | sup all |
| 08:06.58 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: Email aliases are also pulled from the ldap..... |
| 08:07.00 | Phated | cafuego: Oh, that sucks. Changi has nice shopping. |
| 08:07.05 | helix | she can buy people drinks, she just can't buy them bubble gum |
| 08:07.07 | Phated | asuffield: ... yes! |
| 08:07.11 | punsad | zyros: theres no report of the problem you described.. strange.. |
| 08:07.14 | en1gma | does debian have an app that works with pocket pc devices (to sync) |
| 08:07.16 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: Nobody has access to the database... Except me... |
| 08:07.23 | Phated | Well... this September... unless no one checks, in which case yes. |
| 08:07.27 | asuffield | hah! |
| 08:07.29 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, I see |
| 08:07.31 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: The database is used to track usage of the websites.... |
| 08:07.31 | asuffield | I thought so |
| 08:07.33 | kuja | When I list unstable and stable packages, which takes priority? |
| 08:07.40 | zyros | punsad, hrmm is there anything i can change in installation |
| 08:07.49 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: Once a month a report is generated for each user.... |
| 08:07.52 | helix | I have lost a remote |
| 08:08.00 | Phated | asuffield: Less than a year now, so hush. |
| 08:08.01 | fooz | helix, it's in my couch |
| 08:08.02 | helix | peterS: I had an idea |
| 08:08.13 | peterS | helix: even if it's less interesting than Mr. Moore's, let's hear it |
| 08:08.15 | helix | peterS: with all of these crappy books I own, I can tile my bedroom floor |
| 08:08.19 | kuja | For example, if I do `apt-get install <package>` and <package> exists in both stable and unstable, which one is installed? |
| 08:08.25 | peterS | helix: but have you got carpet? |
| 08:08.29 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:08.34 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: It also has a bandwidth monitoring system that throttles the bandwidth for each 24 hour period..... |
| 08:08.35 | fooz | naughty question |
| 08:08.37 | fooz | keep it PG-rated |
| 08:08.37 | asuffield | Phated: you should try the US, they have to be like 25 or something |
| 08:08.47 | Phated | asuffield: Effin' hell, I just need to be 18. |
| 08:08.50 | helix | peterS: yes |
| 08:08.50 | punsad | zyros: what's the error message again? |
| 08:08.52 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, with plesk, prim@hosting those type of 3rd party tools,users are allowed to do those tricks without damaging to system ,but they are expensive |
| 08:08.57 | helix | Phated: he's lying |
| 08:09.12 | peterS | helix: the crappy books would wear out faster if you walk on 'em with carpet underneath |
| 08:09.16 | zyros | punsad, /etc.rcs.d/s36discover: line 204: 413 segmentation fault modprobe $MODULE |
| 08:09.18 | Phated | helix: How old do they have to be, then? |
| 08:09.23 | peterS | helix: other than that it sounds like a plan |
| 08:09.28 | Flimzy | I think it's time to sleep |
| 08:09.30 | helix | peterS: hrm |
| 08:09.36 | helix | Phated: 21 |
| 08:09.37 | Flimzy | ieee1394 will wait until tomorrow |
| 08:09.42 | Phated | peterS: But they're crappy, so why bother if they wear out? |
| 08:09.47 | Phated | helix: Bahahah. |
| 08:09.50 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: I'm not familier with plesk or cpanel.... |
| 08:09.51 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, good for you,if by then i will really do it,i will need to buy it ,i cannot do it myself im afraid |
| 08:10.00 | peterS | Phated: to buy drinks you need to be 21, unless you wish to buy them in an establishment that doesn't want young people to come in. like one place I know insists that you be 25 just to give them your money |
| 08:10.08 | helix | Phated: well even the 21 year olds are idiots |
| 08:10.16 | Phated | peterS: Eeee. |
| 08:10.19 | fooz | peterS, wtf? |
| 08:10.21 | helix | of course, I mostly wish they sold alcohol /nowhere/ in the US |
| 08:10.30 | Phated | helix: That's evil and horrible. |
| 08:10.32 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: It's up to you to either learn and put the money in your pocket or pay someone else (purchase a product)..... |
| 08:10.36 | helix | peterS: a lot of those places require men to be 25 but women can be younger (like 23) |
| 08:10.44 | Phated | Yeh. |
| 08:10.46 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, yea |
| 08:10.47 | Phated | Nein. |
| 08:10.50 | asuffield | supposedly over here they start them on light beer as soon as they can walk or something :P |
| 08:11.00 | peterS | helix: maybe that's it. my 23yo female friends never get turned away. or maybe they don't enforce it against anyone at all |
| 08:11.03 | helix | Phated: what's evil and horrible? |
| 08:11.05 | Phated | Tis to get more chicks in, so that blokes will buy drinks. |
| 08:11.06 | Gnea | helix: where's that? |
| 08:11.10 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: Have you taken a look at fm.net for webhosting systems? |
| 08:11.11 | helix | peterS: no, that's been my experience |
| 08:11.12 | Phated | helix: Being 21. |
| 08:11.18 | helix | Phated: why? |
| 08:11.21 | HermanDE | NoboruKun: That should be freshmeat.net |
| 08:11.23 | punsad | zyros: is this a new install disk? |
| 08:11.25 | helix | no one's ever convinced me of the evilness or horribleness |
| 08:11.33 | Phated | helix: Because it takes longer to get to 21 than 18. |
| 08:11.36 | en1gma | anyone know if debian has a sync app for pocket pc |
| 08:11.39 | helix | Phated: ..and? |
| 08:11.40 | nvz | oh well everytrhing is in order might as well sit here |
| 08:11.49 | Phated | helix: Oh, well, it doesn't matter for you. |
| 08:11.50 | peterS | Phated: nah, takes the same amount of time, you just have to have a 3-year head start |
| 08:11.59 | Phated | :P |
| 08:12.00 | Gnea | helix: everyplace i've ever been, it's been age 21. then again, i haven't been to florida. |
| 08:12.01 | nvz | en1gma: agsync |
| 08:12.04 | zyros | punsad, i have tried installing it from a debian cd, which i got out of a book, and a iso DVD i burned, both version 3.1 |
| 08:12.07 | NoboruKun | HermanDE, checking |
| 08:12.15 | en1gma | nvz have you tried it out? |
| 08:12.16 | nvz | en1gma: do apt-cache search pocket pc |
| 08:12.18 | helix | Gnea: we're talking about clubs and such that won't let people in if they're under 25/23 |
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| 08:12.24 | nvz | en1gma: nope I dont have one |
| 08:12.27 | I4NI | I live 30 mins from the mexican border, thats where I went to drink when I was 18 |
| 08:12.28 | helix | I think one was latin quarter in NYC |
| 08:12.29 | peterS | Gnea: used to be 18 / 21 depending on the state. people would cross state lines if they were near 18yo states |
| 08:12.37 | en1gma | thnx |
| 08:12.43 | Gnea | helix: ah |
| 08:12.47 | asuffield | it's classic US insanity. "Old enough to vote, not old enough to vote while drunk" |
| 08:13.24 | Gnea | peterS: sounds like the US/Canada border |
| 08:13.24 | punsad | zyros: it may be a bug... there was a bug that describes a similar problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/09/msg00180.html |
| 08:13.24 | zyros | punsad, does this problem have anything to do with partitions? |
| 08:13.24 | peterS | Gnea: yeah, that's the modern equivalent |
| 08:13.24 | I4NI | asuffield: old enough to die for your country, not old enough to get drunk doing it |
| 08:13.39 | zyros | punsad, hrmm |
| 08:13.47 | peterS | asuffield: indeed, I'd make it harder to qualify to vote, rather than easier to drink, were I the man |
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| 08:13.59 | Gnea | peterS: it's just a way to keep the economy going |
| 08:14.15 | asuffield | peterS: oh, they keep talking about raising the voting age to like 35 or something |
| 08:14.23 | Gnea | which is fine, but some methods are just... eh |
| 08:14.24 | helix | they do? |
| 08:14.32 | nvz | I4NI: usually if you are in the army you would be eventually going overseas where it would be legal to drink in many cases |
| 08:14.38 | peterS | asuffield: considering the percentage of young people who vote in this country, it'd have little practical effect |
| 08:14.51 | Gnea | peterS: they already do |
| 08:14.52 | asuffield | nvz: the US has a very strange law that US residents are still bound by US law even while abroad |
| 08:14.55 | helix | am I still considered young in this country? |
| 08:15.00 | asuffield | nvz: although it doesn't apply to every state's own laws |
| 08:15.05 | peterS | except that politicians wouldn't have to pretend to care about the young morons |
| 08:15.07 | nvz | asuffield: and who the hell will enforce it? |
| 08:15.21 | asuffield | nvz: usual people, next time you return to the US |
| 08:15.30 | Zenethian | the US navy also says that US Aircraft Carriers are considered soverign US land by international law. |
| 08:15.30 | Zenethian | heh |
| 08:15.35 | asuffield | nvz: it's a very odd law |
| 08:15.38 | nvz | asuffield: yeah well what they dont know wont hurt them |
| 08:15.50 | Gnea | Zenethian: you can stand on it |
| 08:16.04 | I4NI | Zenethian: Does that mean if you are born on an aircraft carrier you are a US citizen? |
| 08:16.06 | Gnea | Zenethian: and it has the ability to defend itself |
| 08:16.13 | fooz | I4NI, haha |
| 08:16.16 | Gnea | I4NI: yes. |
| 08:16.17 | helix | nvz: my understanding is that it only applies to federal laws, which is stuff like "don't kill people" |
| 08:16.19 | fooz | keen |
| 08:16.21 | Zenethian | I4NI: yep |
| 08:16.24 | cafuego | Phated: Changi has cheap booze :-) |
| 08:16.24 | I4NI | cool |
| 08:16.32 | asuffield | I4NI: I think that a slightly more practical observation would be that if you were born on an aircraft carrier, you're gay |
| 08:16.32 | peterS | I4NI: only if you're born on an aircraft carrier belonging to the US |
| 08:16.35 | punsad | zyros: looks like there may be something here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/09/msg00179.html |
| 08:16.45 | zyros | punsad, thank you |
| 08:16.48 | punsad | zyros: gotta go.. good luck. |
| 08:17.03 | Phated | cafuego: Heh, yeah, I think so. |
| 08:17.04 | nvz | helix: yeah. if you are in poland with the armed forces and you want a beer they are going to sell you one.. and nobody is going to say anything. Thats my point |
| 08:17.10 | I4NI | asuffield: there are women in the navy |
| 08:17.21 | helix | that word is foreign to him |
| 08:17.24 | helix | don't confuse the poor lad |
| 08:17.26 | helix | nvz: right |
| 08:17.26 | I4NI | I dont know if they allow pregnant women on carriers though |
| 08:17.35 | helix | nvz: it was his standard anti-US trolling :) |
| 08:17.45 | nvz | heh |
| 08:18.00 | asuffield | I4NI: insignificant. it's still basically a bloody big boat full of men out at sea for months :P |
| 08:18.10 | I4NI | heh |
| 08:18.25 | Gnea | nvz: but that's poland, another country. florida and alabama are states. |
| 08:18.31 | nvz | helix: he's outnumbered.. us east-coast Usians are here tonight! |
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| 08:18.40 | fooz | what's long and hard and full of seamen? |
| 08:18.46 | peterS | nvz: you're east coast how? |
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| 08:18.49 | basix | hey fellows. how do i know whether my server is vulnerable to the lupper worm?? |
| 08:18.59 | SkArFaCe | anybody know of a good video player |
| 08:19.08 | basix | SkArFaCe, VLC |
| 08:19.13 | SkArFaCe | i am trying to play some mpgs and wmv's |
| 08:19.18 | peterS | !nickometer SkArFaCe |
| 08:19.18 | SkArFaCe | vlc? |
| 08:19.19 | dpkg | 'SkArFaCe' is 14.000% lame, peters |
| 08:19.21 | Gnea | basix: look up the info on it |
| 08:19.28 | nvz | peterS: I am in the EST timezone... |
| 08:19.30 | I4NI | SkArFaCe: cough porno cough |
| 08:19.30 | peterS | wow, it doesn't penalise for studlycaps nearly as much as I thought |
| 08:19.34 | Gnea | SkArFaCe: totem |
| 08:19.34 | SkArFaCe | lol |
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| 08:19.37 | SkArFaCe | not even |
| 08:19.37 | nvz | peterS: so I cant piss in the ocean from here |
| 08:19.39 | peterS | nvz: and that puts you on the coast? |
| 08:19.49 | helix | where does nvz live? |
| 08:19.50 | Phated | Studlycaps? |
| 08:19.56 | basix | Gnea, yeah i looked up the info. but i am unable to get the version of php that is vulnerable. |
| 08:20.04 | HermanDE | SkArFaCe is a script... :) |
| 08:20.04 | asuffield | pHaTeD |
| 08:20.13 | nvz | peterS: helix lives on a peninsula and still probably isnt on the coast in your overly analytical view |
| 08:20.15 | Phated | Ah. |
| 08:20.18 | Gnea | basix: maybe php.net knows |
| 08:20.28 | helix | I'm so confused |
| 08:20.29 | buu | Argh, shorewall screwed my httping |
| 08:20.30 | peterS | nvz: if you're within 20 miles of the coast, as I figure she probably is, then you are east coast |
| 08:20.33 | basix | Gnea, good idea |
| 08:20.43 | peterS | nvz: if it's more like 300 miles, then not so much |
| 08:20.46 | helix | well I'm more within like 25 miles of the coast |
| 08:20.53 | I4NI | what do you mean buu ? |
| 08:20.58 | peterS | helix: pittsburgh, anyway |
| 08:21.02 | helix | peterS: how do you classify east coast? I'm perplexed |
| 08:21.09 | helix | I'd definitely consider pittsburgh east coast |
| 08:21.11 | fooz | east coast of what? |
| 08:21.21 | helix | east coast of swaziland |
| 08:21.22 | Gnea | helix: so do i |
| 08:21.25 | peterS | helix: how far is pittsburgh from the ocean? I thought it was like 300-500 miles inland |
| 08:21.26 | fooz | i live there |
| 08:21.40 | Gnea | man, don't people use google maps? |
| 08:21.41 | helix | peterS: I think I classify more by timezone and whether the /state/ is on the coast |
| 08:21.41 | peterS | and I don't think swaziland has a coast, does it? |
| 08:21.45 | HermanDE | The intraweb is in amerika only... |
| 08:21.46 | helix | but mostly by timeland |
| 08:21.48 | helix | er, timezone |
| 08:21.55 | peterS | helix: so I'm gulf coast? |
| 08:22.01 | Gnea | HermanDE: amerika? where is this? |
| 08:22.05 | asuffield | swaziland is landlocked |
| 08:22.05 | peterS | I mean, I wish. |
| 08:22.17 | TBBle | If you classify by timezone, I'm in New Zealand. |
| 08:22.19 | helix | well that's why the second qualifier is necessary |
| 08:22.35 | Gnea | timezone's are hokey |
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| 08:22.37 | HermanDE | Gnea: Just watching people describe america as if everybody lives there.... |
| 08:22.42 | peterS | people in lubbock aren't exactly gulf coast either though |
| 08:22.43 | peterS | not in my book |
| 08:22.44 | helix | so is your apostrophe |
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| 08:23.00 | Gnea | HermanDE: everybody that lives in america lives in america. |
| 08:23.09 | Gnea | :) |
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| 08:23.23 | SkArFaCe | can i be able to download a video player? |
| 08:23.32 | HermanDE | Gnea: Yes, and everybody who lives under the sea has a wet house.... |
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| 08:23.38 | Gnea | !totem |
| 08:23.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, totem is a gnome movie player that can use either libxine or gstreamer. packaged as totem-xine or totem-gstreamer |
| 08:23.40 | basix | SkArFaCe, just do a apt-get install vlc |
| 08:23.42 | helix | peterS: fascinating. (to be honest I'd never thought very deeply about it, but I qualified most states in EST as "east coast") |
| 08:23.53 | Gnea | !vlc |
| 08:23.53 | dpkg | somebody said vlc was the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
| 08:23.58 | helix | like, if you can get hit by a hurricane, basically |
| 08:24.03 | HermanDE | Again... SkArFaCe is a script..... |
| 08:24.05 | ootput | !mplayer |
| 08:24.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 08:24.12 | chino2 | you guys have the worst vim i have ever seen in my life |
| 08:24.13 | basix | !xine |
| 08:24.13 | dpkg | i guess xine is a video/media player at http://xinehq.de or #xine. Several user interfaces are available : xine-ui for "generic" X11, gxine for GTK, kaffeine for KDE, totem-xine for Gnome. |
| 08:24.15 | chino2 | you vim sucks |
| 08:24.15 | helix | do like ten more of those |
| 08:24.18 | chino2 | sucksssss |
| 08:24.20 | Gnea | helix: ever been in a MST zone? |
| 08:24.21 | chino2 | suckssss |
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| 08:24.33 | helix | I'm allergic to MST |
| 08:24.34 | ootput | that was constructive |
| 08:24.36 | Gnea | the worst vim? |
| 08:24.37 | asuffield | well that was... short, yet pointless |
| 08:24.39 | basix | Gnea, whats a MST zone? |
| 08:24.48 | nvz | now stfu |
| 08:24.54 | HermanDE | In a bit SkArFaCe will describe that he is running Demudi..... Without a video player..... |
| 08:24.54 | peterS | helix: I guess one can define a geographic region however one wishes. I figured you had to be within an hour or two of smelling the sea, at least, in order to say you're living on the coast |
| 08:24.59 | Gnea | basix: where time does not shift twice a year |
| 08:25.15 | helix | peterS: yeah, maybe |
| 08:25.22 | helix | at least I qualify! |
| 08:25.27 | I4NI | maybe we should call pittsburg new england |
| 08:25.28 | Gnea | PST, MST, CST, EST |
| 08:25.29 | ootput | vlc is a fantastic app whose client can be detached and reattached at alater stage |
| 08:25.31 | basix | Gnea, you mean daylight savings? :P |
| 08:25.34 | helix | Gnea: I don't think I've been in MST, fwiw |
| 08:25.36 | Gnea | since i've technically lived in all 4 of them |
| 08:25.38 | asuffield | the idea of somebody an hour away from the sea being 'coastal' is alien to me |
| 08:25.39 | helix | I have been in the others though |
| 08:25.40 | helix | I think |
| 08:25.43 | Gnea | basix: that is correct. |
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| 08:25.50 | basix | Gnea, all my life :) |
| 08:25.55 | Gnea | it is currently 2:23am here |
| 08:26.01 | Gnea | er |
| 08:26.06 | Gnea | 1:23AM |
| 08:26.07 | nvz | I4NI: we were talking about Pittsburgh, not Pittsbug |
| 08:26.08 | TBBle | I'm about 2 hours from the ocean, and not even vaugely coastal. |
| 08:26.11 | helix | asuffield: jacksonville has a beach and you can easily be in one part of the city and take an hour to get to the 'coast' |
| 08:26.11 | nvz | er Pittsburg |
| 08:26.27 | nvz | helix: during rush hour? |
| 08:26.34 | helix | no it'd take longer then |
| 08:26.45 | I4NI | I spelled it right |
| 08:26.45 | ludi | isn't there a way to type in a UTF-8 encoding followed by a regular character, in order to make that character accented? |
| 08:26.56 | helix | jacksonville is big, land-wise |
| 08:27.05 | cafuego | ludi: èh? |
| 08:27.06 | peterS | nvz: I almost spelled it picksburg, since it was you I was talking about |
| 08:27.27 | ludi | cafuego: what is èh |
| 08:27.36 | TBBle | ludi: Prolly. Grab an input method that supports doing such, possibly in uim or m17nlib. However, that's prolly the daft way around in my opinoin. |
| 08:27.39 | nvz | peterS: two picketts to Tittsburgh please |
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| 08:27.47 | ootput | ludi: he was pointing out that it's possible |
| 08:27.53 | ootput | ludi: unless you're after something else.. |
| 08:27.54 | helix | I wonder if my .xmodmap is being randomly unloaded |
| 08:27.55 | cafuego | ludi: âççéñtëd text |
| 08:28.07 | ludi | TBBle: the application that I'm using can't be pasted into |
| 08:28.09 | cafuego | ludi: Mind you, I just use the compose key in GNome. |
| 08:28.18 | peterS | helix: you don't unload that sort of thing, you just override it |
| 08:28.29 | helix | peterS: who would it get overridden? |
| 08:28.31 | helix | er |
| 08:28.31 | TBBle | ludi: Well, just as well I'm not suggesting you do so. |
| 08:28.31 | helix | how |
| 08:28.45 | peterS | helix: the major desktop environments are known to be rather naughty in this regard. they don't care about your puny little xmodmap configuration |
| 08:28.58 | helix | ah, well of course -- but I do not use such barbaric things |
| 08:29.06 | ludi | can't you write "<183575>A" and have it show up as an A with a grave accent? |
| 08:29.09 | cafuego | peterS: helix uses 9wm. |
| 08:29.15 | nvz | helix: still using Ion3? |
| 08:29.21 | peterS | helix: or it might just not be loaded at all. I don't know if '.xmodmap' is a standardized name in debian or if you have to invoke 'xmodmap ~/.xmodmap' in your xinitrc by hand |
| 08:29.21 | helix | hasta la muerte |
| 08:29.30 | cafuego | ludi: Maybe, not that I've ever noticed, though. |
| 08:29.38 | asuffield | ludi: you're talking about combining characters. technically they exist, and you've got maybe a small to medium chance of using any applications where they actually work... |
| 08:29.42 | TBBle | ludi: Prolly. Grab an input method that supports doing such, possibly in uim or m17nlib. However, that's prolly the daft way around in my opinoin. |
| 08:29.42 | ootput | nvz: i don't see why he'd stop using it ;) |
| 08:29.50 | nvz | sssshheee |
| 08:29.51 | helix | peterS: well my machine has been up for 30 days and I use accented characters often enough to notice if something's gone awry |
| 08:29.54 | helix | so I cannot explain it |
| 08:30.09 | peterS | helix: so like just now you noticed that it had stopped working, but that's without logging out/in or anything? |
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| 08:30.15 | helix | peterS: correct |
| 08:30.19 | peterS | strange |
| 08:30.25 | helix | that's what I'm sayin' |
| 08:30.32 | cafuego | maybe your en_US@UTF8 isn't compatible with my en_AU@UTF8 |
| 08:30.44 | cafuego | blame it on the coriolis force |
| 08:30.53 | helix | also, I've got it loading automatically in ~/.xsession |
| 08:30.53 | peterS | you all need to upgrade to UTF-64. it's even cooler than UTF-32 |
| 08:31.05 | helix | cafuego: I can see your utf8 :) |
| 08:31.13 | helix | inputting is a problem, that's all |
| 08:31.13 | ootput | peterS: what on earth? |
| 08:31.13 | helix | hrm |
| 08:31.18 | ludi | asuffield: yes I think I'm talking about combining characters. so where would I find out how to do that? |
| 08:31.19 | peterS | ootput: joking, dude, joking |
| 08:31.25 | cafuego | peterS: I woud, but gcc 2.96 can't build it... |
| 08:31.27 | TBBle | I don't wanna have to buy new hard disks so I can save text... |
| 08:31.28 | helix | actually, it's only a problem in this terminal afaict |
| 08:31.31 | peterS | cafuego: ha |
| 08:31.41 | asuffield | ludi: hell if I know, I have no use for the things |
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| 08:31.51 | helix | ludi: ask peterS |
| 08:31.58 | peterS | helix: yeah see if it's a problem in newly launched terminals, I guess |
| 08:32.00 | helix | he can make combining characters |
| 08:32.01 | TBBle | ludi: If you want combining characters, they have to be dealt with by the program, they're an implementation detail of unicode you shouldn't be wanting to worry about. |
| 08:32.04 | nvz | cafuego: you still not using gcc 3.x or 4.x? |
| 08:32.08 | cafuego | peterS must know a way of doing accent input via ONLY gpm! |
| 08:32.10 | helix | peterS: I suspect it's a user problem |
| 08:32.11 | asuffield | TBBle: the new GNOME hard disk can only save one document at a time, so that you don't lose it |
| 08:32.17 | cafuego | nvz: newfangled shite |
| 08:32.21 | nvz | heh |
| 08:32.29 | peterS | cafuego: that would be a neat trick |
| 08:32.43 | cafuego | peterS: some form of morse input |
| 08:32.49 | TBBle | asuffield: That'd prolly suit my workflow quite neatly. It just becomes a very long document. Mind you, this highlights certain flaws in my workflow process. |
| 08:32.49 | peterS | cafuego: the horror |
| 08:32.54 | helix | if I could find my remote, I could go watch movies |
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| 08:33.05 | asuffield | TBBle: yeah, like the drooling |
| 08:33.12 | ootput | helix: you're in dire need of a walking stick |
| 08:33.15 | peterS | cafuego: maybe drawing characters like those input methods on PDAs |
| 08:33.18 | cafuego | helix: does your tv/dvd/vcr/laserdisc not have buttons? |
| 08:33.18 | helix | ootput: I am? |
| 08:33.19 | TBBle | asuffield: Nope, waterproof keyboard solved that one. |
| 08:33.28 | helix | cafuego: not enough of them |
| 08:33.29 | Gnea | if i had a real DVD player, i could watch the dvd that i've ordered twice now |
| 08:33.37 | nerdy2 | ya, A, followed by U+0300 would give you an A with a grave accent |
| 08:33.38 | ootput | helix: can't you just operate the unit by hand? |
| 08:33.44 | nvz | its weird how we went from getting up and controlling things, to using remotes, to not even having normal controls.. and if you loose the remote its useless |
| 08:33.51 | helix | ootput: if I could do that, why would I be whining about my remote? |
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| 08:34.04 | Gnea | the first one had scratches on it and kept on locking up in all linux dvd players toward the end |
| 08:34.09 | helix | consumer electronics are hard |
| 08:34.15 | helix | I need the GNOME team to design their interface |
| 08:34.18 | cafuego | !be a dvd barbie |
| 08:34.18 | asuffield | nvz: that's weird? you're the nation of freaks who will search the whole house for the remote rather than using the controls on the front of the damn thing |
| 08:34.18 | dpkg | Aww, dvd is HARD! Let's go shopping, cafuego |
| 08:34.23 | helix | so I can drool at the screen and make it go |
| 08:34.52 | nvz | asuffield: the fuckers dont even put controls on the front anymore |
| 08:34.52 | Gnea | this new one is flawless, but craps out within the first 3 minutes |
| 08:34.52 | ootput | helix: assumed that you left a deep impression on the couch |
| 08:34.52 | nerdy2 | (this would be equivalent to U+00C0) |
| 08:34.54 | peterS | ootput: now now, that's not very nice |
| 08:34.57 | nvz | asuffield: if they do its a very limited set of controls. |
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| 08:35.14 | ootput | peterS: :) first reaction to a missing-remote-story |
| 08:35.17 | helix | ootput: I don't have a remote for my cable box so I change that by hand with minimal bitching :) |
| 08:35.39 | TBBle | I have misplaced the remote for my TV, but it's within arm's length of my chair anyway. |
| 08:35.48 | nvz | I hate cable. its a waste of time and money |
| 08:35.52 | peterS | I can top that, I misplaced my TV |
| 08:35.55 | nvz | cable television that is |
| 08:35.57 | Gnea | cable tv? yes. |
| 08:36.01 | helix | peterS wins at losing |
| 08:36.05 | peterS | w00t |
| 08:36.05 | ootput | cable tv is affordable |
| 08:36.07 | helix | cafuego: it's too far away |
| 08:36.13 | cafuego | LOOOONG stick |
| 08:36.14 | nvz | I gave my tv to my grandmother |
| 08:36.14 | TBBle | I conceed |
| 08:36.18 | TBBle | concede? |
| 08:36.19 | ootput | but the shit they're broadcasting nowadays ain't worth the subscription |
| 08:36.19 | Gnea | ootput: so's crack, right? |
| 08:36.23 | cafuego | helix: alternatively: husband ;-) |
| 08:36.23 | nvz | I have no use for it |
| 08:36.38 | ootput | Gnea: after my 3rd paycheck, yes |
| 08:36.39 | cafuego | Coz husbands are at least as handy as sticks. |
| 08:36.40 | helix | he'd be too busy doing all the other stuff I told him to do |
| 08:36.42 | asuffield | I have never owned a TV, you useless mob of sofa-humping freaks |
| 08:36.49 | peterS | cafuego: dude, husbands in the US are lazier than wives, when it comes to operating equipment that normally comes with a remote |
| 08:36.50 | helix | cafuego: they are likely good tools in general ;) |
| 08:36.50 | Gnea | i rest my case |
| 08:36.54 | rebecca_lappy | ok, i feel like a noob.. so sorry this is a silly question.. but the onboard nic on my desktop (debian of course) died. so i disabled it in bios and put in a new nic, but i dont know how to reconfigure it to use the new nic.. could someone point me in the right direction? |
| 08:37.01 | cafuego | helix: <heh> |
| 08:37.04 | TBBle | Ironically, I've never owned a sofa. |
| 08:37.08 | helix | tvs are so much better for watching movies |
| 08:37.12 | nvz | ootput: free of charge would not be affordable imo cause of the time wasted watching it that could be better spent with friends, loved ones, or making money |
| 08:37.16 | ootput | i'm a futon man myself |
| 08:37.17 | helix | until I can have a 27" monitor, I am going to own a tv |
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| 08:37.20 | asuffield | TBBle: you've been humping somebody ELSE'S sofa! EEW! |
| 08:37.21 | helix | yeah, and I watch from bed |
| 08:37.27 | peterS | rebecca_lappy: depends on the software you've got installed - it might just detect it and work automatically or it might not |
| 08:37.36 | TBBle | asuffield: Less cleaning for me. ^_^ |
| 08:37.40 | ootput | eww |
| 08:37.44 | peterS | rebecca_lappy: if it doesn't, tell us what type of nic. if you aren't sure, run 'lspci | grep Ethernet' |
| 08:37.47 | helix | haha |
| 08:37.48 | rebecca_lappy | peterS: it doesnt auto detect |
| 08:38.14 | SlayerXP | helix! |
| 08:38.15 | ootput | any of you using profont? |
| 08:38.19 | nvz | helix: get a projector mounted over your bed.. they are comming down in price anymore, and they can usually do up to 200" |
| 08:38.23 | helix | and there's my exit cue |
| 08:38.29 | peterS | haha |
| 08:38.32 | nvz | heh |
| 08:38.37 | SlayerXP | helix: http://photos.hinterlands.org/p24678603.html |
| 08:38.50 | Gnea | marriage is nothing but an institution for hate to breed |
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| 08:39.07 | nvz | sounds bitter to me |
| 08:39.19 | peterS | Gnea: or for people to breed |
| 08:39.21 | ootput | not unless they've bred, and were force to marry |
| 08:39.22 | peterS | Gnea: depending |
| 08:39.23 | cafuego | nvz: Dude, I am so ahead of you... |
| 08:39.33 | Gnea | peterS: people can breed just fine without marriage |
| 08:39.34 | nvz | cafuego: eh? on the projector? |
| 08:39.38 | peterS | Gnea: so can hate |
| 08:39.40 | cafuego | nvz: *nodnod* |
| 08:39.45 | asuffield | peterS: I don't believe marriage has anything to do with that :P |
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| 08:40.10 | caphuso | cafuego: padded? |
| 08:40.11 | nvz | yay! |
| 08:40.15 | ootput | marriage is the only way to equally share the responsibility of raising the kid |
| 08:40.15 | SlayerXP | cafuego: is the wall padded? |
| 08:40.18 | nvz | caphuso: hahaha |
| 08:40.20 | caphuso | SlayerXP: :-P |
| 08:40.24 | asuffield | <Overfiend> solomon: hint. Marriage doesn't cause orgasms. I'd say we're genetically programmed to be indifferent to it. |
| 08:40.25 | SlayerXP | caphuso *5* |
| 08:40.27 | ootput | under contract |
| 08:40.30 | Gnea | ootput: that's debateable |
| 08:40.31 | rebecca_lappy | onboard is an accton tech en-1216 |
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| 08:40.47 | SlayerXP | brrrr |
| 08:40.51 | SlayerXP | it's -19c outside |
| 08:40.57 | asuffield | cafuego: is it *your* wall, or the house opposite? :P |
| 08:41.01 | ootput | Gnea: not that everybody adheres to the responsibilities of parenthood |
| 08:41.06 | rebecca_lappy | pci nic is a realtek 8139 |
| 08:41.34 | asuffield | ootput: shared between the mother and the government, you mean? I don't believe it's required for that either |
| 08:41.38 | peterS | rebecca_lappy: the onboard one uses the kernel 'tulip' driver, the 8139 uses the kernel '8139too' driver |
| 08:42.02 | rebecca_lappy | ok |
| 08:42.07 | peterS | rebecca_lappy: so just load the latter with 'modprobe 8139too' then you can bring up your network with 'ifup eth0' |
| 08:42.15 | Gnea | ootput: conformance and fear (or lack of) of consequence tend to keep much under the covers |
| 08:42.19 | peterS | rebecca_lappy: add a line "8139too" to /etc/modules so it comes up automatically next time you boot, and you should be golden |
| 08:42.33 | asuffield | except for the fact that you've got an 8139 |
| 08:42.36 | asuffield | which is quite frankly crap |
| 08:42.45 | peterS | asuffield: right. so not golden exactly. poor choice of words. |
| 08:42.57 | cafuego | golden like a shower? ;-) |
| 08:43.05 | asuffield | yeah, that's more like it |
| 08:43.05 | ootput | Gnea: yeah |
| 08:43.07 | fooz | golden like your teeth |
| 08:43.15 | rebecca_lappy | hey, ive used rtl8139s for years. they do the job for me :) |
| 08:43.30 | asuffield | rebecca_lappy: they're slow. they drop packets. they *crash* the fricking box |
| 08:43.32 | rebecca_lappy | ill try what you suggested peterS :) |
| 08:43.38 | peterS | rebecca_lappy: they do the job until they stop doing the job. but they don't go anywhere near 100mbit line speed, and they use a comparitive lot of CPU to do it |
| 08:43.45 | ootput | low standards ;) |
| 08:43.46 | peterS | comparative, even |
| 08:43.52 | rebecca_lappy | oh well :) |
| 08:43.56 | asuffield | the rtl8139 is as cheap and nasty as they come |
| 08:44.10 | asuffield | it costs like $5, and it's barely worth that |
| 08:44.26 | peterS | if you're talking to a bottleneck a lot smaller than 100 mbit, like a broadband modem, the speed loss won't really bother you |
| 08:44.36 | asuffield | they get you online - barely - but that's all they do |
| 08:44.42 | fooz | e said it works for em. who cares. |
| 08:44.46 | ootput | wow, first case of sunburn i've had in years |
| 08:44.49 | ootput | this is terrible |
| 08:44.58 | asuffield | fooz: we are BITTER |
| 08:45.02 | ootput | i'll be flaking at my best friend's marriage |
| 08:45.10 | rebecca_lappy | wow.. you guys really hate the 8139s |
| 08:45.12 | cafuego | Hmm, salty. |
| 08:45.25 | cafuego | rebecca_lappy: They've caused me nothing but grief. |
| 08:45.27 | asuffield | rebecca_lappy: too many crashing servers resolved with "argh, a fucking 8139!" |
| 08:45.29 | Gnea | rebecca_lappy: they've caused too many problems |
| 08:45.43 | fooz | it's eir choice if e wants to use an 8139 |
| 08:45.45 | ootput | rebecca_lappy: not so much that we hate it. we just don't want it to exist anymore |
| 08:45.50 | peterS | rebecca_lappy: I've had few problems with them, but I haven't put them in server situtations either |
| 08:45.53 | rebecca_lappy | fooz: eir? |
| 08:45.57 | fooz | i've had just as many 3c95x go bad |
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| 08:46.16 | asuffield | the 3c??? series have been variable |
| 08:46.20 | asuffield | some lines are good. some are crap |
| 08:46.25 | Gnea | rebecca_lappy: take a lan without any 8139's on it then introduce an 8139 to it, you'll notice some variations in network traffic. |
| 08:46.30 | cafuego | fooz: at least on smp the 3c95x did auto-oops the kernel. |
| 08:46.33 | cafuego | didn't |
| 08:47.06 | rebecca_lappy | ok |
| 08:49.41 | basix | asuffield, RTL8139 works very well for me. It gives me 100% throughput. |
| 08:49.41 | ootput | i'm personally quite fond of 3c's on low-end laptops |
| 08:49.41 | ootput | they fit the bill perfectly |
| 08:49.42 | asuffield | basix: uh huh, I believe maybe one word in three |
| 08:49.42 | asuffield | ootput: it *really* depends on *which* 3c??? model you've got |
| 08:49.42 | asuffield | there's been a lot of variation from 3com over the years |
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| 08:49.42 | Gnea | but most of them have caused performance issues |
| 08:49.42 | SlayerXP | basix: 100% of what, exactly? |
| 08:49.42 | fooz | i was using Spivak gender |
| 08:49.42 | fooz | hehe |
| 08:49.43 | basix | SlayerXP, 100Mbit |
| 08:49.43 | SlayerXP | basix: so when copying over the network you get sustained uninterrupted 10Mb/sec of data? |
| 08:49.44 | cafuego | basix: how about the other machines on the same lan? |
| 08:49.44 | TBBle | Wow. Given that (if I recall correctly) ethernet is only 80% efficient... |
| 08:49.44 | fooz | ethernet is a lie! |
| 08:49.44 | asuffield | I've never heard of anybody get more than 90% efficiency out of PCI-architecture cards |
| 08:49.44 | Gnea | it also depends on the switch being used |
| 08:49.44 | asuffield | s/get/getting/ |
| 08:49.44 | basix | SlayerXP, yes |
| 08:49.44 | SlayerXP | basix: bullshit. |
| 08:49.44 | basix | SlayerXP, :| |
| 08:49.44 | ootput | basix: i'd have to call you on that one too ;) |
| 08:49.44 | asuffield | TBBle: you can do better in point-to-point situations, like when you go directly into a router or smart switch |
| 08:49.44 | peterS | nobody bothers with CSMA/CD anymore, so in that sense ethernet isn't really ethernet |
| 08:49.44 | asuffield | TBBle: not much though |
| 08:49.45 | cafuego | 100% would be 12.5Mb actually |
| 08:49.45 | fooz | i get .5 past 100 megabit |
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| 08:50.01 | asuffield | apt: you're not only thick, you're slow too |
| 08:50.26 | cafuego | asuffield: Mine run at 68MHz, I've overclocked the pci bus!!!!!@@! |
| 08:50.27 | peterS | someone tell TimRiker to disable that lovely little feature |
| 08:50.32 | SlayerXP | cafuego: i can't divide by 8 in my head these days |
| 08:50.36 | fooz | s/100 megabit/lightspeed/ |
| 08:50.38 | basix | asuffield, its not hard to believe. its not a huge corporate LAN. Its a small home LAN of about 5 PCs |
| 08:50.46 | fooz | cute |
| 08:51.01 | asuffield | basix: you *won't* get better than 80% if you spend less than £1k on your switch |
| 08:51.05 | TBBle | Running a high-speed gigabit-backplane switch? |
| 08:51.14 | asuffield | basix: so that's completely unbelievable |
| 08:51.14 | ootput | has anybody applied ck's to 2.6.15? |
| 08:51.17 | cafuego | SlayerXP: Just count on the toes, 1, 2, 4, 8! |
| 08:51.23 | fooz | i have a switch like that *in my pants* |
| 08:51.29 | TBBle | cks? |
| 08:51.45 | basix | asuffield, whatever.. |
| 08:51.45 | SlayerXP | in 8 minutes time I leave for Oslo |
| 08:51.46 | peterS | TBBle: con kolivas's patch series, he means. -ck. |
| 08:51.57 | SlayerXP | the inside of my freezer is currently warmer than outside |
| 08:51.58 | cafuego | Why would you run a high-speed gigabit-backplane switch and a set of realtek nics? :-) |
| 08:52.10 | TBBle | Ah. |
| 08:52.14 | ootput | fooz and his priceless interjections |
| 08:52.16 | asuffield | cafuego: managers |
| 08:52.17 | SlayerXP | cafuego: s/ a high-speed gigabit-backplane switch and a set of//; |
| 08:52.36 | asuffield | cafuego: or inept technicians |
| 08:52.39 | TBBle | Easy. Once you've blown your budget on the switch, you've only got $25 left in budget. So one real NIC, or five realteks. |
| 08:52.44 | cafuego | SlayerXP meant: Why would you run a set of realtek nics? :-) |
| 08:53.25 | ootput | :) |
| 08:53.25 | fooz | SlayerXP meant for cafuego to mean: Why would you run realtek nics? :-) |
| 08:53.25 | peterS | cafuego: haha |
| 08:53.40 | caphuso | or people who measure network throughput with the firefox download manager and claim they'd get 100% |
| 08:53.55 | cafuego | caphuso: nah, 'dd' of an nbd device. |
| 08:54.17 | fooz | I get 100% of my download rate during a download |
| 08:54.17 | fooz | every time |
| 08:54.35 | peterS | I want a 100mbit NIC with JUMBO FRAMES. then I would get 115% throughput! |
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| 08:55.00 | peterS | I wonder if fooz has one of those in his pants too |
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| 08:55.06 | fooz | I have jumbo pants |
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| 08:55.10 | TBBle | Wasn't there an Intel nic that did 10kbyte frames? |
| 08:55.12 | peterS | yeah, I figured you did |
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| 08:55.23 | scx | cri cri |
| 08:55.30 | fooz | omgwtfbbq |
| 08:55.39 | peterS | TBBle: would any switches support that? |
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| 08:55.53 | fooz | yesterday was a crap day. Dropped my helmet, left my keys in my bike all night, had to work, then I broke my clutch cable |
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| 08:56.12 | TBBle | I dunno. I vaugely remember some comments in the intel driver source |
| 08:56.15 | djp | in my auth.log file i have the following message, Jan 7 17:39:12 localhost sshd[4876]: Illegal user staff from ::ffff:202.46.253.130. should i be concerned? |
| 08:56.18 | rebecca_lappy | thanks for your help peterS. but i dug around in my bin of parts and found another pci nic.. and it automaticly worked :) |
| 08:56.23 | asuffield | jumbo frames are 9k and they're for gigabit devices |
| 08:56.26 | asuffield | and they're normal |
| 08:56.31 | TBBle | Ah, that'd be it then. |
| 08:56.38 | peterS | rebecca_lappy: so chances are the other nic was compatible with a driver you were already using, like tulip |
| 08:56.42 | fooz | djp, someone tried to log in |
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| 08:56.46 | asuffield | 1.5k is too small for gigabit to run at anything like full capacity, too much latency |
| 08:56.48 | noiesmo | hey i wanna look at increase debian boot time if i do (lsmod and put those modules in /etc/modules (the ones in bottom of list in lsmod have to be at the top in /etc/modules) and then disable hotplug at boot) should this help and is it recommended |
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| 08:56.55 | rebecca_lappy | peterS: okay :) |
| 08:57.14 | peterS | tulip covers a pretty wide range of chips, so that's not unlikely |
| 08:57.28 | ootput | so long, and thanks for all the chips |
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| 08:57.30 | SimonRaven | djp: worm going around... old news |
| 08:57.31 | peterS | not as wide as ne.c but still |
| 08:57.31 | TBBle | noiesmo: I doubt it and probably not. I doubt it'll decrease boot time either. |
| 08:57.36 | fooz | djp, ssh didn't let them, but if you have 5 minutes to spare, email your/their ISP about abuse |
| 08:57.39 | djp | fooz, ah thankyou, i did think that was what was happening. it repeats itself about 4 or 5 times with a different usernamer used, such as sales, recruit, alias... |
| 08:57.40 | scx | fooz ?? |
| 08:57.54 | noiesmo | TBBle, k |
| 08:57.57 | asuffield | ripping out hotplug and udev speeds up boot time quite a bit |
| 08:57.58 | SimonRaven | djp: yeh, it's a worm |
| 08:58.01 | asuffield | but only if you know what you're doing |
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| 08:58.06 | asuffield | otherwise it just stops it from booting |
| 08:58.07 | nvz | fooz: its not just you.. my day week month and year went like that too |
| 08:58.10 | djp | SimonRaven, thankyou. |
| 08:58.21 | nvz | this keyboar sucs.. going to another pc :P |
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| 08:58.28 | fooz | i miss my bike already :( |
| 08:58.43 | fooz | oo i should order a clutch cable |
| 08:58.43 | djp | SimonRaven, i don't need to worry then, or take any form of action? |
| 08:58.45 | Rebecca | os[Linux 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 - Debian testing/unstable] |
| 08:58.52 | Rebecca | woo, much better than my lappy :) |
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| 08:58.55 | djp | fooz, will do. |
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| 08:59.20 | SimonRaven | djp: depends if it becomes a problem or not ;). |
| 08:59.40 | djp | SimonRaven, sure |
| 08:59.56 | ice_1963 | some one need's to put up in /msg dpkg 2006 key that you need to install sudo first |
| 08:59.58 | Rebecca | thanks again :) |
| 09:00.25 | peterS | on behalf of all the 8139 bashers, no problem |
| 09:00.35 | noiesmo | lightest desktop for debian icewm,fluxbox? or other |
| 09:00.40 | djp | by the way, when using telnet from bash, is a log kept anywhere? would that be kept in auth.log? |
| 09:00.50 | TBBle | wmii? |
| 09:00.50 | caphuso | noiesmo: neither icewm nor fluxbox are desktop environments |
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| 09:01.16 | peterS | djp: I doubt most of us know anything about the debian telnet server. we stopped using it like 7 years ago |
| 09:01.19 | noiesmo | caphuso, well what is light desktop enviro |
| 09:01.32 | caphuso | noiesmo: probably xfce |
| 09:01.36 | TBBle | djp: The telnet client? I doubt it. |
| 09:01.52 | noiesmo | caphuso, kool will try it :) |
| 09:01.57 | djp | peterS, oh i see. is there a reason for that? |
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| 09:02.12 | djp | TBBle, ok thanks. |
| 09:02.21 | peterS | djp: it's insecure if you don't trust your network, since you normally authenticate with a plain text password |
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| 09:03.10 | peterS | djp: and unless you control all the devices on your network, you can't trust it anyway. someone can sniff passwords for fun. ever since the original version of ssh was released we've all been busy switching to that |
| 09:03.31 | djp | peterS, oh i see. well i actually used it to communicate with my adsl modem, in order to fix the thing! |
| 09:03.38 | peterS | djp: before that, some of us (not me) had migrated to kerberos-based remote login tools |
| 09:03.53 | djp | peters, thanks for the advice. |
| 09:04.05 | peterS | djp: a telnet *client* is a different matter. we do use those, because they're useful for much more than just getting an interactive login session on a unix box |
| 09:04.16 | peterS | djp: I figured you meant a telnet *server* |
| 09:04.22 | TBBle | Yeah. Like when your keyboard memory forgets about nc |
| 09:04.36 | peterS | and no, the telnet client doesn't log anything. I don't think it has that capability at all |
| 09:04.40 | djp | peterS, ah, sorry, no i used the telnet command to communicate with my modem |
| 09:05.12 | djp | thanks peterS |
| 09:05.20 | peterS | djp: apparently some switches / routers now come with ssh servers built-in so you don't even have to use telnet for *those* anymore (: |
| 09:05.42 | SimonRaven | \o/ |
| 09:05.47 | TBBle | I have one of those, but never got the ssh part going. So am stuck with telnet. |
| 09:06.12 | djp | thanks for all the advice everyone |
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| 09:06.48 | fooz | omg, new clutch levers only $8 |
| 09:06.51 | fooz | i love finding cheap parts |
| 09:08.48 | nvz | fooz: its even better when its cheap and they give you extra things you dont need that you can sell and end up getting the part you brok for free |
| 09:08.49 | TBBle | Xevious? |
| 09:08.51 | TBBle | Oops |
| 09:09.07 | fooz | hehe |
| 09:09.10 | nvz | fooz: my uncle buys and sells parts for his harley online all the time.. often he will get a whole set of things and he only needs the one piece |
| 09:09.19 | fooz | cool |
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| 09:09.43 | fooz | i haven't done much to my bike yet (95 Katana) due to lack of money, but bikebandit seems to have good prices on some things |
| 09:09.49 | fooz | i hope these MotionPro levers are good |
| 09:09.54 | fooz | but if they are't, $8 isn't much |
| 09:10.05 | fooz | the stockers are like $140 from Suzuki |
| 09:10.27 | nvz | fooz: thats just cause they know it'll break when you drop the bike |
| 09:10.41 | peterS | paulproteus|lapt: ha |
| 09:10.45 | SimonRaven | or blow on it |
| 09:10.46 | paulproteus|lapt | AAAHH! |
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| 09:10.49 | nvz | fooz: the parts that are easiest to break cost the most.. doesnt matter how much it actually osts to make it |
| 09:10.56 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 09:11.02 | peterS | poor paulproteus |
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| 09:11.21 | fooz | whoa i killed firefox. rofl |
| 09:11.32 | fooz | omgwtfbbq |
| 09:11.35 | nvz | fooz: and of course anyting with the company name or logo costs a flat rate for each emblem |
| 09:11.41 | fooz | hehe |
| 09:11.49 | fooz | my bike has no emblems. everyone wants to know what it is :) |
| 09:12.09 | nvz | fooz: pait fooz on one side and zoof on theother |
| 09:12.12 | nvz | its a fooz zoof |
| 09:12.13 | SimonRaven | a motorbike |
| 09:12.26 | fooz | i <3 my bike |
| 09:12.32 | fooz | but i'm thinking of buying a hayabusa |
| 09:12.38 | SimonRaven | i do too. |
| 09:12.39 | fooz | because 130mph isn't fast enough |
| 09:12.58 | nvz | pfft 13mph is fast enough for me |
| 09:13.00 | SimonRaven | 60 km/h is plenty for me ;) |
| 09:13.16 | peterS | yeah if I ever get to 50 km/h I feel very fast |
| 09:13.19 | peterS | then again that's human power |
| 09:13.23 | nvz | I've damn near died in motor vehicle accidents too many times in my life |
| 09:13.31 | fooz | i haven't nearly died yet |
| 09:13.34 | SimonRaven | (on a steep hill, no wind, crouching down ;) |
| 09:13.36 | fooz | or even had an accident |
| 09:13.48 | peterS | nah, that's steep hill, *tailwind*, crouching down |
| 09:13.51 | nvz | granted every near fatal accident I've been in I wasnt the driver |
| 09:13.57 | fooz | doing pretty well so far |
| 09:14.01 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 09:14.12 | nvz | maybe I should just be weary about riding with other people |
| 09:14.26 | fooz | ? |
| 09:14.27 | TBBle | Remind me never to drive you anywhere. |
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| 09:14.33 | fooz | haha |
| 09:14.40 | nvz | heh |
| 09:15.23 | fooz | ugh. who makes good oil filters for bikes? EMGO, K&N? |
| 09:15.26 | fooz | fram is satan |
| 09:15.33 | nvz | my first and worst accident I was only 6 years old, and only going about 5mph and I went from sleeping in the truck to in a coma in the hospital for over a week |
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| 09:15.51 | Gnea | nvz: who was driving? |
| 09:15.58 | _IceX | anyone got an idea, how to create/streame internet radio? |
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| 09:16.56 | TBBle | _IceX: apt-cache search audio stream would be a start... Then there's the licensing to worry about |
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| 09:16.59 | meyerbeer | hola |
| 09:17.19 | nvz | Gnea: my mother |
| 09:17.45 | meyerbeer | where is the best place to put a "hdparm -S 0 /dev/hdb" so that hdb's standby is set to 0 everytime automatically at boot time? |
| 09:18.36 | _IceX | i have licences to play mp3, only audio stream is a problem:> |
| 09:18.39 | EdLin | !anyobody have an idea? |
| 09:18.46 | EdLin | !anybody have an idea? |
| 09:18.46 | fooz | omg, they sell windshields |
| 09:18.52 | SimonRaven | !any ideas |
| 09:18.52 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 starving oxen. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 09:19.39 | nvz | meyerbeer: you could add it into /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh which is proccessed last in the boot order just before login |
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| 09:20.01 | fooz | I can't stop listening to the new depeche mode album :/ |
| 09:20.16 | meyerbeer | nvz: thank you, i'll do that :) |
| 09:20.17 | TBBle | meyerbeer: /etc/hdparm.conf? |
| 09:20.22 | Phated | Is it good? |
| 09:20.26 | fooz | I like it. like Ultra but more addicting |
| 09:20.30 | Phated | Cool. |
| 09:22.25 | meyerbeer | hey thanks TBBle , thats even better :) |
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| 09:24.05 | cahoot | meyerbeer: /etc/default/hdparm? |
| 09:24.19 | nvz | what a pita.. I go to check on one alarm (granulator backed up) and two more go off.. time to start shutting machines off.. they are annoying the shit out of me |
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| 09:24.51 | nvz | its sunday, and there are only 3 of us here.. two of which are sitting in the damn lunch room.. its time to shut shit down.. heh |
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| 09:25.20 | Gnea | oh shit that's right |
| 09:26.04 | nvz | he said he was shutting the Engels 59 & 60 down at 4am.. well its almost 4:30 and they are still annoying the shit out of me |
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| 09:26.23 | lindenle | can anyone give me a working /etc/network/interfaces stanza for a madwifi card ... I have tried: |
| 09:26.23 | nvz | and since the Rev called off cause he has church in the morning.. I have to watch all my machines and his |
| 09:26.41 | lindenle | auto lo wifi0 |
| 09:26.41 | lindenle | iface lo inet loopback |
| 09:26.46 | lindenle | iface wifi0 inet dhcp |
| 09:26.48 | lindenle | iface wifi0 inet dhcp |
| 09:26.50 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.50 | peterS | lindenle: don't paste please |
| 09:26.52 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.54 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.54 | Gnea | !tell lindenle about paste |
| 09:26.57 | Gnea | !tell lindenle about flood |
| 09:26.58 | lindenle | sorry forgot |
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| 09:28.04 | lindenle | i pasted it in flood |
| 09:28.10 | lindenle | sorry again |
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| 09:30.09 | Gnea | lindenle: that's nice |
| 09:31.00 | an0y | hello all, i'm looking for a public poker-network server. Did anyone know an address ? |
| 09:31.24 | Gnea | an0y: is this #poker? |
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| 09:32.03 | an0y | ? |
| 09:32.12 | TBBle | an0y: Start a blog, and wait a few minutes, then read your comments. |
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| 09:32.45 | lindenle | so does anyone use the madwifif driver ? |
| 09:33.01 | Gnea | !tell lindenle about ask |
| 09:33.02 | an0y | i am |
| 09:33.38 | lindenle | Gnea: Wow I am not scoring any points tonight am i |
| 09:33.39 | nvz | whoa! |
| 09:33.49 | nvz | this damn chiar I am sitting in isnt a chair at all.. |
| 09:33.55 | Gnea | lindenle: now you're starting to get a clue |
| 09:34.03 | nvz | its a stool with ah chair top duct taped to it |
| 09:34.11 | Gnea | heh |
| 09:34.13 | nvz | I didnt realize it until I damn near fell out of it |
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| 09:34.30 | peterS | sometimes a chair is just a chair |
| 09:34.36 | nvz | yep |
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| 09:34.49 | neuterspay | Kuake is my default console and I love it because it stays open and out of view - can open it by throwing my mouse ANYwhere upwards and clicking, can hide it back while it's performing tasks so that I can see my desktop, it's transparent and looks nice, and clears up the menu bar - Is there anything wrong with leaving it open all the time or using it as my default console? |
| 09:34.49 | Gnea | and a seat is just a seat |
| 09:35.08 | nvz | sometimes its a big brown dick |
| 09:35.10 | peterS | except when it's a cigar |
| 09:35.12 | Gnea | neuterspay: nope |
| 09:35.21 | nvz | at least thats what carlin said one time |
| 09:35.24 | neuterspay | Gnea: Thanks. |
| 09:35.25 | RolandU | hi all! when logging in to kde I get a message that /dev/dsp was not found. Does this usually show a problem with rights-management or with audio-device-drivers? |
| 09:35.30 | Gnea | carlin rocks |
| 09:35.36 | caphuso | neuterspay: a terminal emulator is a terminal emulator. doesn't matter what it looks like |
| 09:35.44 | nvz | RolandU: maybe it means /dev/dsp doesnt exist. |
| 09:35.50 | Gnea | RolandU: could be either |
| 09:35.55 | RolandU | nvz: it exists, it is a link |
| 09:36.03 | nvz | RolandU: to? |
| 09:36.07 | Gnea | RolandU: who owns it? |
| 09:36.24 | RolandU | to dsp0, which also exists and it belongs to group audio, and my user is in group audio |
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| 09:36.26 | neuterspay | caphusa: It was in with "games" or "misc", not sure which, but wasn't grouped with other terminal apps. Thought it may have been just for novelty since it's meant to look like a quake console - thanks though guys. |
| 09:36.45 | nvz | RolandU: are you using ALSA or OSS? |
| 09:36.52 | nvz | bah fucking alarms |
| 09:36.53 | peterS | it's funny to me that we still call them 'terminal emulators'. like their only purpose in life is to be as much like some old piece of hardware with a CRT embedded in it and a 9600 baud serial port sticking out the back |
| 09:37.00 | RolandU | nvz: I am using "autodetect" |
| 09:37.06 | caphuso | peterS: well, that is their purpose |
| 09:37.11 | Gnea | RolandU: no no, there is only OSS or ALSA |
| 09:37.26 | nvz | oh well I must have been hearing things.. none of the lights are on |
| 09:37.33 | nvz | RolandU: heh, stfu |
| 09:37.37 | peterS | caphuso: yeah but it's funny that we still think of them in terms of the external CRT thing, rather than thinking of them as applications of their own type |
| 09:37.40 | caphuso | ok, it's 38400 baud nowadays and they can be transparent, but other than that... |
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| 09:38.23 | RolandU | Gnea, in kde's control center there is a menu where I can select alsa or oss or many other things and also "autodetect".... I also tried to setting it either to OSS or ALSA, which showed no effect. |
| 09:38.26 | caphuso | peterS: and here i sit, thinking that "terminal emulator" are their own kind of applications |
| 09:38.30 | nvz | RolandU: I am talking about your kenel sound drivers. If you use the Advanced Linux Sound Arch. you should not be using /dev/dsp foir anything |
| 09:38.36 | peterS | well, at least we don't think of terminal interfaces in terms of teletype printers |
| 09:38.40 | peterS | oh wait, yes we do |
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| 09:38.55 | nvz | RolandU: see if you have snd or soundcore loaded in lsmod |
| 09:39.10 | neuterspay | Another quick question: I for the life of me cannot get my desktop resolution up over 800x600 - and with my Viewsonic PT775 and ATI Radeon 9000, this is rediculous. I'm now on a Debian system after hosing two installs of MEPIS trying to get it to work - when before it would stand 1024x, but now only 800x even though I currently have better drivers than I did with Mepis. Same system. |
| 09:39.17 | RolandU | nvz: I just did the standard installation of stable. |
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| 09:39.34 | Gnea | RolandU: ok, well kde control center is just a GUI, it doesn't actually interact directly with the kernel - you need to open a terminal and use programs such as lsmod, can and the /proc directory to find out |
| 09:39.42 | nvz | neuterspay: did you choose the correct driver, and set the sync rate or ranges? |
| 09:39.44 | neuterspay | ps: I really like straight Debian way more than MEPIS. |
| 09:39.46 | beardy | neuterspay: Only choose the resoultion you want, not several. |
| 09:39.53 | neuterspay | Yep, NVZ |
| 09:40.00 | neuterspay | beardy: You mean during the install? |
| 09:40.00 | nvz | neuterspay: re4ad the log |
| 09:40.15 | nvz | neuterspay: it will tell you why it's rejecting the modes. |
| 09:40.16 | beardy | neuterspay: No, during the configuration of X. |
| 09:40.33 | nvz | neuterspay: not to mentiuon you can put a live cd like mepis in and then copy the X config it makes |
| 09:40.44 | neuterspay | nvz: Not like it's rejecting it - just isn't an option for it when I rightclick on desktop and try to resize it. |
| 09:40.44 | nvz | if it uses the same xserver anyhow |
| 09:40.56 | beardy | !drxx neuterspay |
| 09:40.56 | dpkg | neuterspay: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:41.00 | nvz | neuterspay: yes, iuts rejhecting it |
| 09:41.07 | beardy | !tell neuterspay -about resolution |
| 09:41.14 | nvz | neuterspay: it took it out of the mode list when the server started |
| 09:41.22 | nvz | neuterspay: the log will tell yuou why |
| 09:41.35 | buu | Is there anyway to manipulate the mouse cursor in X without having a mouse plugged in? |
| 09:41.51 | nvz | buu: hold shift and press numlock |
| 09:41.53 | caphuso | buu: press shift+numlock, then use they keupad |
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| 09:41.57 | nvz | buu: then you can use the keypad |
| 09:42.05 | neuterspay | nvz: Where can I find the log for it? Sorry. |
| 09:42.08 | buu | Ahah, much thanks. |
| 09:42.10 | caphuso | ¡tell nvz about enter ;-) |
| 09:42.11 | beardy | Really, is that an X thing? |
| 09:42.13 | nvz | neuterspay: for what? |
| 09:42.25 | neuterspay | The log. |
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| 09:42.48 | nvz | ¡tell caphyuso about repeat |
| 09:42.51 | nvz | ;P |
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| 09:43.10 | nvz | man this keybnoar isnt a whole lot better than the one I swappeds out |
| 09:43.32 | buu | Hard drive prices rock |
| 09:43.38 | nvz | my main problem with the other one was the comma key sticking |
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| 09:44.39 | neuterspay | "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" Is what started giving me crazy errors with MEPIS, almost afraid to try it with Debian. Any way I can check real quick just to make sure whether I'm using xorg or xfree86? How does fglrx tie into the two choices of xorg and xfree86? |
| 09:44.43 | nvz | heh I am sitting right in front of machine 80 and watching it overflow.. I just now noticed that |
| 09:44.46 | mcm | i made a memory upgrade a few days ago and noticed that i doesn't recognize the full memory. the bios tells me 1534M and the 'free' program tells me it's 905068. even kernel option mem=1534M didn't worked out. |
| 09:44.54 | neuterspay | Beardy: and you say during config to only choose resolution I want, not several? How does that work? |
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| 09:45.09 | mcm | and dmesg tells me that there is only 896M lowmem available. |
| 09:45.20 | mcm | any ideas how to fix this? |
| 09:45.26 | caphuso | mcm: you need a kernel with CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G support |
| 09:45.46 | mcm | caphuso: ok. thanks!!! |
| 09:45.47 | beardy | neuterspay: You just select and mark the resolution you want to use. |
| 09:45.59 | beardy | neuterspay: Later in the configuration. |
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| 09:47.40 | nvz | yay! my machines are opff now.. I am gonna go empty em out.. be back in about an hour |
| 09:47.47 | grubme | grub can't default to boot my Linux partition. how to put it right? |
| 09:48.42 | neuterspay | beardy: check PM\dialogue |
| 09:48.50 | neuterspay | How do I check to see if I'm using xfree or x.org? |
| 09:48.54 | beardy | neuterspay: Don't msg me, read the topic. |
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| 09:50.05 | beardy | neuterspay: X -version IIRC |
| 09:50.07 | grubme | nobody here familiar with grubbing? |
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| 09:50.55 | beardy | neuterspay: Oh, xfree or xorg, my mind read version.. do you run sarge? |
| 09:51.08 | UncleD | I have two pentium4 cpus in my machine. How can I tell if sarge auto-detected them on bootup? |
| 09:51.10 | UncleD | on install rather |
| 09:51.29 | beardy | UncleD: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 09:51.36 | UncleD | what in particular am i looking for |
| 09:51.42 | UncleD | im looking at that file already |
| 09:51.44 | UncleD | should it list both cpus? |
| 09:51.51 | beardy | I guess. |
| 09:52.10 | neuterspay | googling sarge hold on |
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| 09:52.27 | caphuso | UncleD: also check the "uname -a" output for "smp" |
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| 09:52.32 | beardy | neuterspay: Then you are running xfree. |
| 09:52.39 | UncleD | caphus: i don't see smp |
| 09:52.51 | neuterspay | Yeah, I'm running sarge. And 4.3 xfree86 |
| 09:52.57 | caphuso | UncleD: then you want to install a smp kernel |
| 09:52.57 | UncleD | How can I get sarge to recognize my second cpu? |
| 09:53.04 | caphuso | by installing a smp kernel |
| 09:53.08 | beardy | UncleD: Install a smp kernel and reboot. |
| 09:53.12 | beardy | !smp |
| 09:53.12 | dpkg | somebody said smp was (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or ... |
| 09:53.26 | beardy | helpful.. |
| 09:53.31 | caphuso | excellent. now we even know that smp is related to having two CPUs... |
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| 09:54.13 | beardy | Yeah, isn't it great? |
| 09:54.30 | UncleD | btw, is an smp kernel o/s independent? |
| 09:54.31 | filleokus | Whic iso should i use for a home server? |
| 09:54.34 | caphuso | beardy: not really. what's your excuse for spamming the channel with useless factoids? |
| 09:54.45 | caphuso | filleokus: doesn't matter |
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| 09:54.55 | neuterspay | beardy: so I want to install x.org, right? Isn't that more stable and support ATI better? How would I go about doing so? I've read mans\docs, had help last two times I kept getting cumulatively worse errors until my system was hosed after I decided to uninstall |
| 09:55.02 | neuterspay | couldn't reinstall and had not gui. |
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| 09:55.54 | beardy | caphuso: I thought it contained something useful. |
| 09:56.53 | caphuso | beardy: what kind of helpful information could it possibly have added to "install an smp kernel"? |
| 09:57.05 | beardy | neuterspay: You wanted to use another resolution, fix that. No, you don't need xorg. |
| 09:57.50 | neuterspay | beardy: I've been using linux for 4 days now... I assure you that I've done VERY much reading... I don't know HOW to fix my resolution, that's why I asked in the first place. |
| 09:57.55 | UncleD | caphuso: how do I find this smp kernel to install. is there a tool on debian that makes this easy? |
| 09:58.04 | neuterspay | I've hosed two mepis innstalls trying to get it no dice yet. |
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| 09:58.09 | beardy | caphuso: I fucking called it right after typing the same thing myself, I read that you said it too afterwards. |
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| 09:58.27 | caphuso | UncleD: dselect/aptitude/synaptics/apt-cache+apt-get/... |
| 09:58.33 | beardy | s/that/what |
| 09:58.35 | EdLin | neuterspay: are you running mepis now? |
| 09:58.36 | neuterspay | Debian's probably different, just don't know how to go about. |
| 09:58.42 | neuterspay | Debian. |
| 09:58.48 | EdLin | OK |
| 09:58.51 | UncleD | caphuso: i tried synaptic, im not sure what package name im supposed to be seeing but i dont see anything with the words smp in it that has anyting to do with kernels |
| 09:58.52 | EdLin | !drxx neuterspay |
| 09:58.52 | dpkg | neuterspay: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 09:59.17 | caphuso | UncleD: kernel-image-something-smp |
| 09:59.24 | neuterspay | Alright, but last two times I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 I got nasty errors and system was hell |
| 09:59.29 | neuterspay | I shall try, though. |
| 09:59.44 | caphuso | linux-image-something-smp if you're using a non-stable version of debian, something i really don't hope to be the case |
| 09:59.44 | kuja | UncleD: *poke* |
| 09:59.50 | UncleD | kujo: *poke* |
| 09:59.53 | UncleD | linux-image-2.6.12-10-686-smp is the file I think |
| 09:59.54 | neuterspay | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 anybody concur? |
| 09:59.56 | kuja | =D |
| 09:59.59 | UncleD | kuja hey :) |
| 10:00.21 | kuja | mmm, rubyists in debian :) |
| 10:00.22 | neuterspay | EdLin, so I should ONLY select the res I want to use, not multiple? |
| 10:00.29 | beardy | neuterspay: We have told you multiple times. |
| 10:00.38 | valdyn | neuterspay: select as many resolutions as you want |
| 10:00.59 | neuterspay | I'm making sure - beardy, I'm not retarded if you would steep me with this and understand the errors I was getting last time with Mepis |
| 10:01.37 | UncleD | caphuso: I do apt-cache search linux-image and all I see is linux-image-386 - Linux kernel image on 386 & linux-image-2.6.12-9-386 |
| 10:01.45 | UncleD | neither has the word smp in it |
| 10:02.11 | valdyn | UncleD: run apt-get update |
| 10:02.12 | caphuso | UncleD: then your sources.list doesn't include a complete set of packages |
| 10:02.16 | UncleD | ah |
| 10:02.22 | UncleD | where can I get a better sources.list |
| 10:02.24 | neuterspay | So, wtf I've run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 when I installed Debian - the only thing I'd do differently is select only one res or two instead of all the ones UP TO what I wanted to run - |
| 10:02.25 | valdyn | UncleD: are you running debian ? |
| 10:02.35 | kuja | UncleD: Have you checked the unstable sources/ |
| 10:02.37 | neuterspay | I doubt this is going to fix anything. |
| 10:02.37 | caphuso | UncleD: run apt-setup |
| 10:02.40 | Diazepam | guys is there a config utility for iptables that doesnt rely on X ? |
| 10:02.55 | UncleD | is apt-setup X11 based? |
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| 10:03.01 | valdyn | Diazepam: vi |
| 10:03.12 | beardy | UncleD: no |
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| 10:03.31 | beardy | Diazepam: $EDITOR |
| 10:03.36 | filleokus | OK, im kind of a neewbie of this version system in debian. And i want the latest stuff, but stuff that also works. Wich version should i take? |
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| 10:03.45 | valdyn | filleokus: sarge |
| 10:04.05 | filleokus | ok |
| 10:04.11 | valdyn | filleokus: and possibly backports on top of that |
| 10:04.21 | filleokus | ok, is that easy to do? |
| 10:04.22 | RolandU | nvz: soundcore is loaded |
| 10:04.29 | valdyn | filleokus: yes |
| 10:04.40 | filleokus | nice |
| 10:04.43 | UncleD | beardy: it appears apt-setup needs a CD? |
| 10:04.49 | filleokus | Any url to visit? |
| 10:04.58 | beardy | UncleD: No. |
| 10:05.02 | valdyn | filleokus: install sarge first, set it up completely |
| 10:05.03 | valdyn | !ig |
| 10:05.04 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 10:05.12 | UncleD | beardy: apt-setup immediately prompted me to insert a CD |
| 10:05.17 | beardy | !apt-setup |
| 10:05.17 | dpkg | [apt-setup] a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. |
| 10:05.23 | valdyn | filleokus: then if you _really_ need newer stuff, come back here and ask about specific things |
| 10:05.28 | filleokus | ok |
| 10:05.36 | neuterspay | EdLin, do you think this is going to fix it at all, though? I'm hesitant to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 if I'm sure it's already been configured properly from fresh Debian install less than 20 hours ago. |
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| 10:05.53 | EdLin | neuterspay: if it were configured properly it would wokr |
| 10:05.55 | filleokus | is sid newer? |
| 10:05.55 | EdLin | work* |
| 10:05.58 | neuterspay | Especially since last two times brought irrevocable error. |
| 10:06.03 | neuterspay | ALright well I did and it didn't. |
| 10:06.13 | neuterspay | Not trying to be a dick about this. |
| 10:06.14 | Meltir | is there any way to delete aptitude's list of files that it wants to update/install/delete ? |
| 10:06.58 | neuterspay | I came in here three times over the course of two days and you guys told me that you couldn't help me and to rtfm and to go to #mepis, where nobody could help me at all... |
| 10:07.00 | EdLin | filleokus: unless you need something that's not in a backport or in sarge itself, run Sarge. Even then, as a newbie, run Sarge. Sid can and will severely hose your system |
| 10:07.06 | neuterspay | ...could it have been the version that screwed with it? |
| 10:07.06 | beardy | neuterspay: "fresh Debian install" doesn't install any X. |
| 10:07.15 | valdyn | neuterspay: errors never are irrevovable, and if you had been less secretive about what the error was, then someone would probably already have told you the fix |
| 10:07.18 | filleokus | EdLin, ok |
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| 10:07.41 | neuterspay | I'm not\was not being secretive? |
| 10:08.08 | neuterspay | I'm not an idiot - I seriously want to try to get this problem resolved... i'm up at 5:00a trying to fix it and have been reinstalling to get it to work for three days now. |
| 10:08.15 | neuterspay | I promise I'm not trying to be a bitch about anything. |
| 10:08.19 | valdyn | neuterspay: bluntly: If there is error, paste error literally ) |
| 10:08.56 | beardy | neuterspay: Stop reinstalling, what good does that do? |
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| 10:09.25 | Meltir | anyone ? |
| 10:09.39 | valdyn | !aqnyone |
| 10:09.42 | beardy | Meltir: Have you asked something yet? |
| 10:09.42 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 10:09.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:09.53 | Meltir | is there any way to delete aptitude's list of files that it wants to update/install/delete ? |
| 10:10.12 | RolandU | I have now loaded "sound" and "ac97" using modconf. tried to re-initialize sound using kde (which is now set to OSS), no effect. |
| 10:10.38 | valdyn | RolandU: on which debian release? |
| 10:10.43 | RolandU | stable |
| 10:10.53 | valdyn | RolandU: and which kernel? |
| 10:11.00 | caphuso | RolandU: you want a driver for your sound card too |
| 10:11.08 | neuterspay | Meltir: Sorry that you're not getting help. :( |
| 10:11.15 | RolandU | caphuso, I loaded ac97, isn't that enough? |
| 10:11.23 | caphuso | RolandU: no |
| 10:11.25 | valdyn | RolandU: it isnt |
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| 10:11.44 | Meltir | neuterspay: no trouble. ill just wait and see anyone knows. if not - ill post it again later - as always :) |
| 10:11.49 | RolandU | ac97 is not a sound card driver? |
| 10:11.57 | caphuso | RolandU: /msg dpkg ac97 |
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| 10:12.36 | Meltir | RolandU: i think you want snd_intel8x0 |
| 10:12.40 | valdyn | RolandU: none of the drivers you loaded with modconf should ever need to be loaded with modconf |
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| 10:13.57 | valdyn | Meltir: no he does not ( at least not combined with those OSS modules ) |
| 10:14.00 | RolandU | ah, via82cxxx_audio did the trick! |
| 10:14.22 | RolandU | valdyn: you don't like modconf? |
| 10:14.33 | RolandU | thanks @ all for the help! |
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| 10:14.51 | valdyn | RolandU: i didnt say that, point is that if you add via82cxxx_audio with modconf, the other 2 modules will be pulled automatically |
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| 10:15.25 | RolandU | valdyn, I don't understand what you are trying to tell me |
| 10:15.48 | deadcat_ | still having problem delivering emails to outside world from my box via sbc/pacbell ISP. do i need login/passwd and relay in my main.cf file? |
| 10:15.51 | deadcat_ | postfix |
| 10:15.54 | nullvoid | hi all |
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| 10:16.25 | valdyn | RolandU: ok, again: sound and ac97 are modules that are used only by sound hardware drivers, any sound hardware driver you insert with modconf will automagically load eacho module it needs. ( including sound and ac97 ) |
| 10:18.20 | valdyn | deadcat_: try telnetting that isp? |
| 10:18.39 | valdyn | deadcat_: oh or just ask them if you need tls or whatever |
| 10:18.49 | nullvoid | my mail.log says amavis : ANTI-VIRUS and ANTI-SPAM code NOT loaded |
| 10:18.52 | deadcat_ | valdyn: you talking about the ISP right? |
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| 10:18.57 | valdyn | deadcat_: yep |
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| 10:19.00 | deadcat_ | k |
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| 10:19.20 | valdyn | deadcat_: telnet isp 25 |
| 10:19.29 | bcc | what's the difference between /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog ? |
| 10:19.52 | deadcat_ | valdyn: ah. auth required. |
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| 10:20.09 | davor | hey, guys |
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| 10:20.19 | davor | how do i allow ordinary users to halt and reboot the system? |
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| 10:20.25 | valdyn | deadcat_: there ends my knowledge, i dont use postfix ) |
| 10:20.29 | deadcat_ | davor: sudo |
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| 10:20.35 | RolandU | valdyn: so it's like apt, if via82cxxx_audio depends on oss, it will automatically fulfill that dependency? |
| 10:20.46 | valdyn | RolandU: yea |
| 10:21.13 | deadcat_ | davor: if you man visudo or man 5 sudoers it has exactly what you need. |
| 10:21.49 | Phated | .o/ deadcat |
| 10:21.51 | davor | deadcat ok, thanks. you mean that it`s enought to just allow ordinary users to run shutdown, but sudoing it? |
| 10:21.54 | valdyn | davor: what deadcat sais or configure your login manager to allow this ( if its gdm or kdm at least that is possible ) |
| 10:21.55 | deadcat | Phated: what up girl (= |
| 10:22.02 | Phated | deadcat: Not much. :) |
| 10:22.06 | deadcat | davor: ya |
| 10:22.22 | davor | deadcat ok, thanks |
| 10:22.49 | deadcat | Phated: if you use P2P, search for lisa lampanelli, shes fucking funny hahahaha |
| 10:22.57 | Phated | deadcat: Ah, her. |
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| 10:23.01 | deadcat | hahah |
| 10:23.12 | deadcat | ya. that foul mouth cunt (= |
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| 10:23.16 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 10:26.32 | beardy | bcc: Look at the files. /var/log/messages only contain startup messages from daemons, and MARK:s, everything that gets logged is also put in /var/log/syslog.conf ('less /etc/syslog.conf') |
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| 10:28.01 | neuterspay | Thank you guys. It's fixed so well that my res can get TOO high now. |
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| 10:28.08 | anapivirtua | lo all |
| 10:28.23 | neuterspay | Mepis has a definate problem with running config for xfree86 though. |
| 10:28.46 | beardy | neuterspay: Tell them about so they can fix it. |
| 10:28.54 | beardy | it |
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| 10:31.34 | CleeK | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:32.39 | davor | hey, again |
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| 10:33.31 | Poseiden | I am trying to dist-upgrade sid after some time away from this box, and I get a report that most of the packages cannot be authenticated. What's up with that? |
| 10:33.38 | davor | something is weird with my shell. when i type ls it shows something like "-bash: bin/ : is a directory". i think that bash is trying to start "/bin/ ls" instead of "/bin/ls" |
| 10:33.50 | davor | does anyone have any idea of what i can do to find out where the problem is? |
| 10:33.52 | pureone | Poseiden, see /topic |
| 10:33.53 | Poseiden | Ah, I see. thank you. |
| 10:34.00 | pureone | :) |
| 10:35.43 | davor | anyone? |
| 10:35.55 | Poseiden | davor: try `which ls` and find out. |
| 10:35.55 | dondelelcaro | davor: even $ ls; should work. what happens when you bash --norc; and then ls? |
| 10:36.19 | pureone | davor, echo your $PATH |
| 10:36.29 | pureone | see what its saying |
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| 10:37.35 | caphuso | which is useless to debug bash problems |
| 10:38.10 | davor | Poseiden: hmm, it works now. so its something in my rc file. ill have a look at it... |
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| 10:39.01 | Poseiden | davor: bad alias? |
| 10:40.28 | davor | Poseiden naa, alias seems to be ok. im having a look at path now |
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| 10:40.47 | deadcat | set -x on the file or somethine |
| 10:40.48 | caphuso | davor: what does "type ls" say? |
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| 10:42.27 | Poseiden | Hrm. The keyserver in the dpkg's /msg is not working for me. |
| 10:42.39 | caphuso | Poseiden: then use another one |
| 10:42.41 | deadcat | Poseiden: check for typo |
| 10:42.43 | Phated | Use pgp.mit.edu? |
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| 10:42.59 | Poseiden | deadcat: no type |
| 10:42.59 | caphuso | there are a few dozen (at least) to choose from |
| 10:43.04 | davor | it says ls is aliased to ... and then it prints out the contents of my home folder. i think that its path that is wrong since calling it directly trough /bin/ls works |
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| 10:43.10 | Meltir | (replay) is there any way to delete aptitude's list of files that it wants to update/install/delete ? |
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| 10:43.37 | Poseiden | caphuso: Aye. Worth noting, however, so that dpkg can be fixed (so that other folks don't ask and ask and ask ...) |
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| 10:44.18 | caphuso | Poseiden: works for me. seems to be a problem on your side |
| 10:44.23 | seeeS | heh, i see others have wondered about the key! |
| 10:44.31 | eeyore- | davor: "unalias ls" |
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| 10:44.52 | Poseiden | caphuso: inneressin. |
| 10:44.53 | davor | eeyore- yeah, ok. it works now. |
| 10:45.08 | davor | eeyore- so it`s my alias thats screwed up? |
| 10:45.10 | eeyore- | davor: you probably aliased it wrong originally, somehow. maybe cut & paste gone bad or something |
| 10:46.03 | seeeS | ok, is there a new "feature" in X which means my ctrl-alt-f1 dont work anymore? |
| 10:46.08 | davor | hmm, perhaps. but i use the same alias for linux terminal as for xterm/rxvt and xterm works fine |
| 10:46.33 | eeyore- | seeeS: nope |
| 10:46.44 | beardy | seeeS: Your keyboard works fine? |
| 10:46.50 | seeeS | im typing to you on it! |
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| 10:47.18 | seeeS | ill see in zap works |
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| 10:47.39 | beardy | seeeS: Have you bound Ctrl or Alt to something else? |
| 10:47.55 | eeyore- | do opterons work faster in 64-bit mode vs 32-bit mode or something? maybe it's just my false sense of perception? |
| 10:47.55 | davor | yeah, its the alias. if i comment out the line then it works fine |
| 10:48.02 | eeyore- | sure seems to be compiling pretty quickly |
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| 10:48.40 | eeyore- | davor: did you edit your script with msdos editor or something? :-) od -cv <script file name> |
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| 10:48.50 | davor | aha! i figured out what the error was. i accidentally used "`" instead of "'" |
| 10:48.58 | Poseiden | davor: that'll do it. |
| 10:49.00 | eeyore- | davor: that'd do it |
| 10:49.05 | davor | eeyore- emacs :-) |
| 10:49.16 | TBBle | Even worse! |
| 10:49.21 | Poseiden | heh |
| 10:49.25 | eeyore- | no, edlin would be worse |
| 10:49.39 | TBBle | Yeah, I'm pretty sure the idea is that it works faster in 64-bit, compared to 32-bit. As opposed to, say, ppc64... |
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| 10:50.21 | davor | ED IS THE STANDARD EDITOR |
| 10:50.33 | deadcat | davor: stop bitching |
| 10:50.44 | davor | deadcat hehe, okay. sorry :P |
| 10:50.50 | Poseiden | h'okay. Imported the 2004 key, it's on apt's keyring, and... still can't authenticate packages. I have run the commands urged by dpkg, and apt-key list shows the 2006 key on the ring. |
| 10:50.58 | eeyore- | at least i got it so the fan doesn't come on 100% *all the time* any more :-p |
| 10:51.00 | Poseiden | er... s/2004/2006/ |
| 10:51.02 | deadcat | do people still use "at" or just sleep? |
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| 10:51.16 | Poseiden | deadcat: I use at, _very_ occasionally. |
| 10:51.25 | eeyore- | deadcat: every now and then |
| 10:51.31 | caphuso | deadcat: i only use sleep. it's so much more fun to calculate the number of seconds till 6:30 tomorrow morning |
| 10:51.33 | eeyore- | at now + 1 hour; /sbin/poweroff |
| 10:51.54 | deadcat | caphuso: hehe |
| 10:52.06 | beardy | deadcat: I use it now and then too. |
| 10:52.07 | deadcat | caphuso: you can at x hour from now, |
| 10:52.14 | caphuso | deadcat: oh, really? |
| 10:52.17 | deadcat | caphuso: oh. nevermind (= |
| 10:52.19 | eeyore- | caphuso: i have php script to calculate months, weeks, days, seconds to Moab |
| 10:52.22 | deadcat | tahts "at" |
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| 10:52.27 | TBBle | Poseiden: apt-get update to update the signature checks on the lists, I think. |
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| 10:53.04 | Poseiden | TBBle: thanks, I'll give that a shot. |
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| 10:53.37 | eeyore- | Moab Countdown: 104 days, 5 hours and 6 minutes, 51 seconds (PST timezone) |
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| 10:54.01 | Poseiden | eeyore-: you have a fair bit of time on your hands. |
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| 10:54.32 | caphuso | eeyore-: ok, i give up. what's moab and why does it deserve a countdown? |
| 10:54.34 | Poseiden | TBBle: that did it. Sometimes it's the obvious things... |
| 10:54.53 | Poseiden | caphuso: big bike rally, I think. It's a town in Utah where same goes down. |
| 10:55.05 | eeyore- | caphuso: Moab, Utah. bunch of jeepers will go on a week-long run. i have timeoff requested :-) |
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| 10:56.31 | caphuso | only bike rally i know is the mint 400 |
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| 10:58.15 | Poseiden | You got me - I don't even know the mint 400. |
| 10:58.18 | neuterspay | -m /server www.zirc.irc |
| 10:58.25 | neuterspay | What's that command? |
| 10:58.36 | caphuso | Poseiden: go read or watch fear and loathing in las vegas |
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| 10:59.51 | Poseiden | caphuso: willco. |
| 11:00.11 | glooclo | why is it when i try to run ./file.bin it says file doesn't exist. I've checked all permissions and the file is complete |
| 11:00.30 | eeyore- | glooclo: ldd file.bin |
| 11:00.37 | neuterspay | Quick question - how do I join another server without leaving this one? |
| 11:00.50 | Phated | neuterspay: What client? |
| 11:00.51 | Poseiden | neuterspay: depends on the client. In many, you can't. |
| 11:00.55 | neuterspay | xchat |
| 11:01.10 | Phated | Eh, File > new server or summat. |
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| 11:02.15 | glooclo | eeyore-:/usr/bin/ldd: line 171: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: No such file or directory |
| 11:02.16 | glooclo | ldd: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit code (127) |
| 11:02.22 | neuterspay | Thanks phated |
| 11:02.51 | eeyore- | glooclo: did you screw up something in /lib? :-) |
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| 11:03.16 | Poseiden | Cheers, all.. Thanks for the assist. |
| 11:03.18 | ootput | do any of you use raggle for feeds? |
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| 11:03.59 | glooclo | eeyore-: as far as i know , nope. |
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| 11:04.30 | eeyore- | glooclo: well, you can't be missing /lib/ld-linux.so.2 --- it's pretty fundamental to the proper functioning of your system. now, fess up. |
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| 11:07.37 | neuterspay | :( |
| 11:08.37 | neuterspay | Is it really bad to run two xchat clients - one on each desktop? Or is that just a rediculous waste of resources compared to the convenience? |
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| 11:10.09 | ootput | xchat is pretty wasteful itself ;) |
| 11:10.28 | ootput | why the 2 clients? two networks? |
| 11:11.04 | neuterspay | Well I'm a sissy and have desktop 1 for GAIM, IRC, and desktop 4 has gbs.tv, gbs.tv development stuff, gbs.tv irc channel |
| 11:11.22 | neuterspay | And then 2 and 3 are where the rest of my everyday magic happens |
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| 11:12.43 | eeyore- | neuterspay: what's "gbs"? gay bot sex? |
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| 11:13.11 | valdyn | neuterspay: many wm provide a feature to show specific windows on every virtual desktop |
| 11:14.10 | ootput | ah, sticky windows? |
| 11:14.17 | quasisane | neuterspay: why not just open each server connection in a different window and have them each on the desktop you want? |
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| 11:18.15 | crypt_ex | neuterspay, whats gbs.tv ? |
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| 11:19.49 | ludi | how do I tell which version of cups I am using? |
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| 11:20.27 | paivakil | ludi: dpkg -l cups* |
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| 11:20.55 | ludi | so I have cups version 1.1.23-12 |
| 11:21.05 | ludi | that doesn't make sense to me really |
| 11:21.35 | neuterspay | Sorry guys, I'm back. |
| 11:21.38 | eeyore- | ludi: what can we do to help your sensibility? |
| 11:21.41 | neuterspay | http://www.gbs.tv/ |
| 11:21.57 | neuterspay | Is a really awesome .pls stream. Original content- user controlled. |
| 11:22.03 | neuterspay | Like an opensource TV station. |
| 11:22.08 | neuterspay | YOu can put\upload anything |
| 11:22.10 | neuterspay | queue it |
| 11:22.13 | neuterspay | people rate it |
| 11:22.14 | neuterspay | it stays on |
| 11:22.16 | ludi | well, it seems that cups version should be 2.2 or 2.4? |
| 11:22.20 | neuterspay | and you get to see me with no pants on |
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| 11:22.34 | azeem | neuterspay: are you sure you are in the right channel? |
| 11:22.36 | crypt_ex | cool |
| 11:22.44 | crypt_ex | will check it ou |
| 11:22.46 | crypt_ex | out |
| 11:22.48 | neuterspay | quasisane: I've got it now... opened bitchx on desktop 4 for that |
| 11:22.57 | azeem | neuterspay: also, please try to write complete sentences and do not hit enter all the time |
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| 11:22.59 | neuterspay | azeem: most definately. crypt_ex neuterspay, whats gbs.tv ? |
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| 11:23.10 | neuterspay | Azeem: As you wish. |
| 11:23.30 | ludi | which would be more appropriate? bjfiltercups-2.2-1.i386.rpm or bjfiltercups-2.4-0.i386.rpm |
| 11:23.40 | eeyore- | what's pls? |
| 11:23.42 | eeyore- | and |
| 11:23.51 | saibot | Hello, I'm looking for a wlan-device, working fine with debian. Any suggestions? |
| 11:23.52 | ootput | a playlist file |
| 11:23.56 | ootput | similar to m3u |
| 11:24.04 | azeem | ludi: what is bjfiltercups? |
| 11:24.05 | TBBle | ludi: Uh, what exactly are you trying to do with the .rpm files? |
| 11:24.13 | ootput | saibot: orinico |
| 11:24.14 | eeyore- | saibot: ipw2100 or better |
| 11:24.17 | ludi | I'm using alien to convert them to .deb files |
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| 11:24.21 | ootput | err, oronico |
| 11:24.23 | eeyore- | saibot: intel pro-wireless |
| 11:24.31 | TBBle | ludi: And why? What is it, and why doesn't Debian have it? |
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| 11:24.40 | ootput | err.. orinoco |
| 11:24.44 | ludi | there are no drivers for canon i860 |
| 11:24.53 | eeyore- | ootput: finally |
| 11:24.55 | ludi | I have to get them from the japanese canon site, and convert them to debs. |
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| 11:25.07 | ludi | but I'm not sure which to choose from among the two that I listed. |
| 11:25.13 | saibot | eeyore,ootput: thanks |
| 11:25.19 | ludi | this is what I am reading http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-10540.html |
| 11:25.29 | ludi | and this is the jap canon site ftp://download.canon.jp/pub/driver/bj/linux/ |
| 11:25.40 | TBBle | http://www.linuxprinting.org/pipermail/canon-list/2005q4/002441.html |
| 11:25.45 | TBBle | Maybe better? |
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| 11:26.05 | ludi | i saw that also |
| 11:26.09 | ludi | on my google search |
| 11:26.17 | TBBle | That way you get version 2.5 as well. (Those're the versions of the package,I think. Not the CUPS, which is 1.x) |
| 11:26.26 | ludi | okay |
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| 11:26.59 | paivakil | ludi, you on sarge? |
| 11:27.19 | TBBle | ludi: http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/ if 2.5's the wrong version. |
| 11:27.34 | linuxdeb | I have a problem when I mount my windows partition |
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| 11:27.39 | ludi | paivakil; no 'etch' |
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| 11:28.01 | Meltir | (replay) is there any way to delete aptitude's list of files that it wants to update/install/delete ? |
| 11:28.06 | ludi | TBBle: how do I tell if 2.5 is wrong version? |
| 11:28.15 | TBBle | ludi: What printer have you got? |
| 11:28.25 | UncleDz | how do I install php5.1.1 (the latest version)? |
| 11:28.40 | ludi | Canon i860 |
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| 11:29.13 | TBBle | http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/canon-pixus.html then I think |
| 11:29.21 | paivakil | UncleDz: apt-get install php5 |
| 11:30.23 | ludi | TBBle: what is the meaning of the bjfilter? |
| 11:30.32 | ludi | is that just the canon binary driver? |
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| 11:31.36 | TBBle | No, the canon binary driver is libcnbj. bjfilter is the wrapper program for libcnbj, and pstocanonbj is the wrapper script for bjfilter that cups calls. |
| 11:31.51 | UncleDz | paivakil: it says its not 5.1.1 , it says its 5.0.5 |
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| 11:32.47 | paivakil | UncleDz: it is available in the sid / unstable repository |
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| 11:33.04 | UncleDz | i see. |
| 11:33.10 | UncleDz | how do I access that via synaptic |
| 11:33.19 | seeeS | what is the time (in UTC) |
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| 11:33.45 | paivakil | UncleDz: is that a production machine? |
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| 11:34.55 | paivakil | UncleDz: if not, change the occurrences of sarge or etch in /etc/apt/sources.list to `unstable'. |
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| 11:35.27 | UncleDz | paivakil: production it is, but i dont mind reinstalling it |
| 11:35.33 | UncleDz | if i really mess something up |
| 11:35.35 | UncleDz | i keep good backups |
| 11:35.50 | UncleDz | i have a backup srver in place if needbe |
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| 11:35.57 | TBBle | UncleDz: Good. Do as paivakil said, but keep good backups and be prepared for massive breakages for which you receive no support. |
| 11:36.25 | UncleDz | tbble: can I switch the occurences just for the moment - all i want is php5.1.1 |
| 11:36.25 | paivakil | UncleDz: ask dpkg about sid |
| 11:36.32 | paivakil | !sid |
| 11:36.32 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 11:36.54 | paivakil | !etch > sid |
| 11:37.26 | TBBle | UncleDz: Maybe. But the moment you do, you take your data in your hands, and start juggling. |
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| 11:38.05 | UncleDz | tbble: what about installing php via the tarball? |
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| 11:38.56 | paivakil | UncleDz: edit your sources.list, do an `apt-get update' and do `apt-cache show <packagename> to see the dependencies of each package |
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| 11:39.32 | paivakil | UncleDz: see if the dependencies listed are for any crucial (to you) package |
| 11:39.53 | TBBle | UncleDz: Also a bad idea. Why do you want php5.1.1 specifically? |
| 11:40.58 | UncleDz | TBBle: it fixes a change with $var \$var |
| 11:41.02 | UncleDz | a bug rather. |
| 11:41.06 | UncleDz | I don't absolutely need it. |
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| 11:41.22 | UncleDz | but it is a stable release of php, why isn't it listed as such? |
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| 11:41.56 | paivakil | UncleDz: say /msg dpkg unstable |
| 11:42.31 | TBBle | Why's it not in Stable? Because it wasn't in stable when it was released. |
| 11:42.41 | nvz | UncleDz: debian's definition of stable is different. in order to keep things stable we dont add new versions.. we backport fixes into the old ones |
| 11:43.07 | nvz | UncleDz: so in that situation we would add that fix to our version of php and put it in the change log. |
| 11:43.11 | TBBle | UncleDz: You could try backports.org, if you're brave. |
| 11:43.15 | UncleDz | so you put a bugfix from a new version of php into the old version released w/ ubuntu? |
| 11:43.31 | nvz | UncleDz: no we have nothing to do with ubuntu |
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| 11:43.33 | TBBle | The wha? |
| 11:43.37 | UncleDz | or debian rather |
| 11:44.32 | nvz | UncleDz: yes thats how it works. if the fix makes it or not depends on the maintainer of the package and they ususaly judge it by the time they have and the importance or sevarity of the fix |
| 11:44.53 | nvz | UncleDz: usually in stable security fixes are the only ones bothered with |
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| 11:45.19 | UncleDz | I had no idea. Thank you for the clear explanation. |
| 11:45.24 | nvz | ubuntu: #ubuntu |
| 11:45.25 | paivakil | UncleDz: easiest thing for you do would be to edit your sources.list |
| 11:45.27 | UncleDz | How'd ubuntu get in here! |
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| 11:46.01 | nvz | UncleDz: the ignorant people who make those live cds using debian and tyhe bootcd package dont have the decency to change the defualts on the irc clients |
| 11:46.02 | UncleDz | hi bob_ |
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| 11:46.07 | bob_ | hi |
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| 11:46.57 | UncleDz | nvz: do you think its appropriate to add this to crontab: 30 * * * * /usr/sbin/ntpdate -s |
| 11:46.57 | UncleDz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.12 | UncleDz | its for a production machine, would that a be a good / bad idea? |
| 11:47.19 | nvz | I dont know anything about cron, but I know about ntp, and you are probably better off using ntp simple |
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| 11:47.34 | nvz | it will work better |
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| 11:48.09 | nvz | I got to get back to work I am leaving in about an hour and still got a few things left to do |
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| 11:50.04 | TBBle | Oh, neat. Winprinter drivers! Thanks ludi |
| 11:50.10 | TBBle | Oh, he left. |
| 11:50.45 | NeuterspAWAY | Okay, I'm new enough to linux to ask this question... http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge/ Can I put this in source.list and get it like that? |
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| 11:51.10 | azeem | NeuterspAWAY: is that an APT repository? |
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| 11:51.20 | Nick0r | hi guys, how can you count how many files are in a directory? |
| 11:51.24 | NeuterspAWAY | Nope. |
| 11:51.25 | NeuterspAWAY | night guys |
| 11:51.29 | NeuterspAWAY | sorry azeem must go |
| 11:51.32 | azeem | Nick0r: ls | wc -l, roughly |
| 11:52.24 | Nick0r | hmm this is confusing me |
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| 11:52.41 | Nick0r | I'm using pop3, and everytime I delete these ~1750 odd junk emails they keep returning to my inbox |
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| 11:52.58 | paivakil | Nick0r: why? |
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| 11:53.27 | Nick0r | if I knew I wouldn't be asking ;-) |
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| 11:53.40 | TBBle | But you didn't ask. |
| 11:53.43 | Nick0r | heh |
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| 11:53.56 | ootput | Nick0r: this doesn't really address your problem, but perhaps you should implement a spam filter? |
| 11:54.08 | Nick0r | heh ;p |
| 11:54.10 | ootput | Nick0r: 1750 in your inbox is quite a fair bit |
| 11:54.16 | Nick0r | yea |
| 11:54.27 | paivakil | Nick0r: same messages keep coming back? |
| 11:54.27 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I've got a *.deb package in my home dir and I'd like to install it. However, it depends on other packages, which can be downloaded via apt. When I try to do dpkg -i package, I get errors about dependency problems. Is there any way to force dpkg download dependencies automatically? |
| 11:54.36 | Nick0r | not so much spam as an automated emailer that went a bit wrong :) |
| 11:54.39 | Nick0r | yea paivakil |
| 11:54.44 | UncleDz | I think il just stick with php5.0.5 |
| 11:54.50 | UncleDz | i dont have a compelling reason to use 5.1.1 |
| 11:54.50 | azeem | hid3: no |
| 11:55.17 | azeem | hid3: you can dpkg -i <deb>.deb, then apt-get -f install, and hope that APT cleans up after you |
| 11:55.21 | ootput | hid3: why don't you apt-get install those dependencies first |
| 11:55.46 | paivakil | UncleDz: if you are on etch and will wait for 5 months or so, that version may get included in etch |
| 11:55.52 | UncleDz | paivakil: if i recommend the line, and run apt-get update again, will it put it back to the old state? |
| 11:56.10 | UncleDz | s/recommend/re-comment |
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| 11:56.20 | TBBle | paivakil: Uh, it won't go into etch. |
| 11:56.25 | bunga | what cmd to see my system ? |
| 11:56.26 | TBBle | UncleDz: Yes |
| 11:56.27 | bunga | !info |
| 11:56.36 | paivakil | UncleDz: *before* you install anything |
| 11:56.53 | bunga | i mean what version debian i'm use |
| 11:57.09 | paivakil | UncleDz: you can also note down the packages being downloaded and uninstall them by hand |
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| 11:57.35 | paivakil | bunga: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:57.48 | bunga | thanks |
| 11:57.55 | TBBle | UncleDz: apt-show-versions will tell you what's 'stable uptodate' and what's not. |
| 11:58.10 | UncleDz | I see! |
| 11:58.21 | ootput | yay |
| 11:59.14 | UncleDz | How do i install the latest jdk? |
| 11:59.20 | UncleDz | is there a package? |
| 11:59.44 | paivakil | UncleDz: google for blackdown java |
| 12:00.05 | TBBle | There's java-package, which can be used to make .debs from JDK or JRE tarballs. |
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| 12:00.31 | caphuso | yeah, more readable as long as you stick to a 200 lines limit |
| 12:00.53 | UncleDz | is it easy to use? |
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| 12:01.52 | caphuso | UncleDz: if you can type |
| 12:01.55 | ncp | how do i install java on my pc? |
| 12:02.00 | ncp | can i apt-get it? |
| 12:02.06 | UncleDz | I just asked the same thing |
| 12:02.10 | UncleDz | they say use blackdown |
| 12:02.16 | pureone | ncp see /topic |
| 12:02.18 | EdLin | UncleDz: no, use java-package |
| 12:02.23 | UncleDz | oh. |
| 12:02.34 | UncleDz | conflicting suggestions. |
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| 12:02.35 | ncp | UncleDz: what is blackdown? |
| 12:03.06 | kneecaps | i've installed swat with samba but swat says smbd and nmbd are 'not running' but ps tells me otherwise, what could the problem be? |
| 12:03.18 | UncleDz | ftp://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/blackdown/ |
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| 12:03.35 | UncleDz | I thnk java-package is better. |
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| 12:04.06 | biggi_mat | hi |
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| 12:04.39 | ludi | where can I find the package that contains libtiff3g |
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| 12:05.00 | biggi_mat | i've recompiled my kernel (well...i did it from atp-get...i've downloaded linux.image) and then i changed initrd in lilo.conf but forgot to run lilo...now debian doesn't boot up. is there any chance to fix that like run lilo now if i boot system from live cd or something ? |
| 12:05.41 | UncleDz | Why must apache2-common be installed if i want to install php5? |
| 12:06.03 | biggi_mat | you want to run apache without php ? |
| 12:06.11 | biggi_mat | pardon me, php without apache ? |
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| 12:07.03 | UncleDz | yes |
| 12:07.10 | UncleDz | I want to run php w/ lighttpd |
| 12:07.11 | UncleDz | is that ok? |
| 12:07.24 | biggi_mat | probably |
| 12:08.16 | ncp | i dont have java-package on apt, what mirror should i use? |
| 12:08.40 | ncp | i run amd64 version |
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| 12:08.45 | zyz | run xterm :cannot parse color. why? |
| 12:08.47 | EdLin | ncp: you need to add contrib |
| 12:08.59 | UncleDz | biggi_mat: how do you feel about adduser-ng - useful? |
| 12:09.14 | biggi_mat | i don't know it, sorry. |
| 12:09.17 | ncp | EdLin: dont know what contrib means. something i need to add i my apt conf? |
| 12:09.32 | EdLin | ncp: to /etc/sources.list |
| 12:09.41 | EdLin | er, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:10.03 | ludi | where would I find the packages for libtiff3g and libpng2? |
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| 12:10.21 | biggi_mat | ludi i think it is on apt... |
| 12:10.28 | biggi_mat | go to debian.org and look at package list |
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| 12:11.01 | ludi | Package libpng2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 12:11.01 | ludi | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 12:11.01 | ludi | is only available from another source |
| 12:11.01 | ludi | E: Package libpng2 has no installation candidate |
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| 12:11.41 | biggi_mat | apt-cache search ? |
| 12:12.32 | UncleDz | Can anyone recommend a good mailserver to use? hows courier? |
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| 12:12.33 | ludi | no results |
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| 12:13.01 | EdLin | UncleDz: Debian comes with exim4, which seems to work for me though I don't do much with it. |
| 12:13.03 | UncleDz | I always hear of these combos like "postfix+dovecot", "something+exim", etc. |
| 12:13.26 | Phated | postfix+dovecot is good. |
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| 12:16.44 | UncleDz | Phated: do you recommend using mysql as a db w/ postfix? |
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| 12:17.07 | Phated | ehhhh... I don't do databases. |
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| 12:17.52 | UncleDz | when you use a database, its called a map right? |
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| 12:18.16 | Phated | <shrug> Ask #postfix. |
| 12:18.51 | nima | what are you trying to do? |
| 12:18.57 | Deified | anyone kno anything bout eggdrop? |
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| 12:19.15 | nima | nope |
| 12:19.18 | UncleDz | nima:i just want to setup my mail server (to handle users & multiple domains) |
| 12:19.34 | UncleDz | nima: so im wondering what is best mailserver setup (style) |
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| 12:19.46 | nima | isp style? |
| 12:20.42 | nima | i know a good tutorial on that, let me find it |
| 12:21.21 | nima | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 12:22.11 | UncleDz | interesting |
| 12:22.15 | UncleDz | i still end up installing courier |
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| 12:22.20 | UncleDz | for pop3/imap? |
| 12:22.42 | nima | smtp too |
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| 12:22.58 | UncleDz | so where does dovecot come into play |
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| 12:23.01 | UncleDz | isit just an alternative ? |
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| 12:23.07 | marc_in_lux | good afternoon |
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| 12:23.19 | nima | good morning |
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| 12:24.24 | marc_in_lux | I have trouble with pvmove'ing a logical volume in debian 3.1. This is what I typically get as error: http://pastebin.ca/36114 |
| 12:24.31 | UncleDz | nima: whats people saying then when they say dovecot+postfix is good |
| 12:24.34 | marc_in_lux | Is there anything I can do? |
| 12:24.39 | Phated | UncleDz: dovecot does pop3, imap, etc. postfix does smtp. |
| 12:25.28 | UncleDz | Phated: so dovecot is an alternative to courier? |
| 12:25.33 | inetd | where do you keep your mail ? /var/mail or ~/mail ? |
| 12:25.37 | nima | courier worked well for me |
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| 12:25.53 | zyz | I have trouble with xterm : Color name "black" is not defined |
| 12:25.58 | UncleDz | nima: did you use that particular tutorial u gaveme? |
| 12:26.04 | Phated | Eh, I s'pose. |
| 12:26.06 | nima | yeah |
| 12:26.22 | UncleDz | how long did it take you start->finish? |
| 12:27.32 | inetd | im setting up a mail server atm ..and cant decide where to keep the mail |
| 12:27.41 | UncleDz | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 12:27.42 | inetd | i know i want to keep the mail in 1 folder |
| 12:27.51 | UncleDz | why not make /mail/ |
| 12:27.58 | inetd | instead of a spool dir and a mail dir |
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| 12:28.10 | inetd | so i thought i will keep everything in /var/mail/<username> |
| 12:28.28 | inetd | but with courier-imap you cant change the maildir to /var/mail<username> |
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| 12:29.54 | inetd | is it really neccesary to have two dirs for mail? spool dir and a mail dir? |
| 12:30.23 | TBBle | Uh, what do you mean spool and mail dir? |
| 12:31.01 | TBBle | Mail should go into one dir. Default is /var/mail/<username> (although if you're doing domain mail, /var/mail/<domain>/<username> works better for me) |
| 12:31.26 | inetd | TBBle: ok..but whats ~/Maildir then? |
| 12:31.57 | inetd | TBBle: eg: courier-imap by default checks ~/Maildir instead of /var/mail/<username> |
| 12:31.59 | petemc | inetd: where mail goes is completely arbitrary |
| 12:32.04 | TBBle | /home/user/Maildir. An alternate configuration, useful for when users log in, to keep mail in their homedir instead of the global spool directory. Prolly nonsensical for you. |
| 12:32.08 | TBBle | So change it. |
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| 12:33.59 | inetd | ok..if i want to keep mail only in /var/mail/<username> and get mutt or any other mail client to check n keep my mail from there |
| 12:33.59 | inetd | how do i do that? |
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| 12:34.02 | inetd | i use courier-imap to fetch mail |
| 12:34.18 | inetd | atm i got set spoolfile={localhost} |
| 12:34.18 | inetd | set folder={localhost} |
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| 12:34.59 | inetd | in other words i dont want any mail to be kept in ~/ |
| 12:35.16 | nima | UncleDz |
| 12:35.30 | inetd | all the folders should be in /var/mail/<username> |
| 12:35.35 | ma3x | hey, is there a queue for a domain name? eg. domain expires on the 1st of feb., then what if 10 people backorder that domainname? |
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| 12:35.54 | TBBle | ma3x: Nope, you can't backorder a domain until it expires. |
| 12:36.00 | TBBle | And then it's not backordering, it's ordering. |
| 12:36.08 | TBBle | I dunno. I use the SQL backend to courier-authdaemon, which documents in the configuration file how to do it. |
| 12:36.13 | vir182 | I want create the kernel module for my ATI card (normal debian kernel). Is there a way to make the this module WITHOUT compiling the whole kernel again? I DLed the debian-kernel sources, reconfured the kernel (cp /boot/config-2.6.15-1-686-smp /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15/.config and call to make-kpkg with configure target). My problem is I'm only able to create the module AFTER I recompiled the whole kernel - which takes long. So i wanted |
| 12:36.23 | inetd | TBBle: did i lose you there? |
| 12:36.24 | ma3x | TBBle, I mean you can order the domain name, i.e. some registrars offer that |
| 12:36.28 | TBBle | inetd: You need to tell your SMTP server also where to store the mail. See the documentation for details. |
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| 12:36.34 | resiak | !tell vir182 -about ati drivers |
| 12:36.34 | ma3x | TBBle, so what if more registrars reserve it? |
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| 12:36.47 | TBBle | ma3x: You can't reserve it. There's no such thing in DNS. |
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| 12:36.53 | inetd | TBBle: smtp is set correctly...its the imap i have to get it right |
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| 12:37.06 | inetd | TBBle: atm imap is looking for mail in ~/Maildir |
| 12:37.20 | TBBle | inetd: See the courier-authdaemon and courier-imap configs. |
| 12:37.25 | nima | UncleDz, when creating the database user, replace grant select on provider.* to provider_admin@localhost identified by 'your-password'; with grant select on provider.* to provider_admin@127.0.0.1 identified by 'your-password'; |
| 12:37.30 | vir182 | resiak: i know this page - but there it tells me that I only need ot reconfigure the kernel - which doesnt work for me (module assistant gives me errors until I compile the whole kernel) |
| 12:37.33 | ma3x | TBBle, so you can't tell the registrar: "Please order that domain name for me when it expires" ? |
| 12:37.38 | TBBle | ma3x: Registrars offer a "no guarantees backorder service" which basically involves them scanning the lists from the actual domain registry for expired domains and jumping on them. |
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| 12:37.56 | resiak | vir182: Is it the source for the exact same kernel that you are running? |
| 12:37.57 | TBBle | ma3x: You can tell them that, and they'll do it, but they're racing against anyone else too. No promises. |
| 12:38.27 | nima | UncleDz, localhost will only grant access through the socket |
| 12:38.30 | UncleDz | nima: yes? |
| 12:38.32 | vir182 | resiak: yes. I installed the new debian kernel, and i use the debian source kernel. Called the make-kpkg reconsifgure (with the right options etc) |
| 12:38.39 | pawdro | where can i change configuration of xterm? |
| 12:38.44 | ma3x | TBBle, so the record of a domain name expires at a specific date. but is there a time specified, or it's always at 00:00 ? |
| 12:38.44 | resiak | vir182: *shrug* |
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| 12:39.33 | TBBle | ma3x: To be honest, I've no idea on that one... I think it's 00:00:00 time at the central registry, which is in the US for .com etc I believe. |
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| 12:40.37 | TBBle | What was the old value? |
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| 12:45.19 | TBBle | inetd: http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2003/08/msg00176.html Apparently courier-imapd can't do it in the easy way. The successive mails suggest some ideas, otherwise go with dovecot maybe. (I've never tried it) |
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| 12:46.48 | mrjive | is hal still in use or can i remove it safely? debian sid/experimental |
| 12:47.02 | meyerbeer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.07 | meyerbeer | sorry |
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| 12:47.43 | resiak | mrjive: That depends if you have software that needs HAL. Why are you running Sid? |
| 12:48.00 | mrjive | resiak: why? |
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| 12:48.06 | mrjive | resiak: on my desktop |
| 12:48.15 | mrjive | i've always used sid |
| 12:48.23 | ocp | heya there |
| 12:48.38 | ocp | anyone know about gnome panel ? |
| 12:48.47 | inetd | TBBle: gonna try using /etc/userdb |
| 12:48.53 | michael | When i boot debian, i get some errors indicating it cant find some modules when it tries to load them, like rtc and pciehp. I also get a lot of messages telling that some modules are already loaded. How can I make the system not try to load these modules? |
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| 12:48.55 | resiak | !anyone know |
| 12:48.55 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
| 12:49.11 | paras | hi all, what is the diff betwenn deb and udeb |
| 12:49.14 | ocp | right, ty |
| 12:49.19 | marc_in_lux | If I wanted to drop to single user mode, run a script, and go back to multiuser mode, and I am on ssh - how could I do that? |
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| 12:49.41 | ocp | well, my problem is : when i logon my session, gnome panel start twice, dont know why |
| 12:49.43 | marc_in_lux | especially if I wanted to umount the drives with /var and /usr and /root on them. |
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| 12:49.51 | resiak | paras: udebs are used by the installer. |
| 12:50.29 | paras | resiak, yes.. i have seen them but why they used udebs instead of deb? |
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| 12:51.14 | resiak | marc_in_lux: Use screen(1) so that the command doesn't die when sshd closes. Then do something like `telinit 1; /path/to/script; telinit 2`. THIS IS UNTESTED. Do you have physical access to the machine? |
| 12:51.14 | lunitik | paras: udebs are structured differently... easier to work with the installer... |
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| 12:51.25 | marc_in_lux | resiak, sort of... I need to get up and walk a bit ;-) |
| 12:51.56 | resiak | paras: Probably because the infrastructure for using debs is not present yet. Ask the #debian-boot folks if there's any docs on how the installer works. |
| 12:51.59 | marc_in_lux | resiak, screen(1)... ? |
| 12:52.02 | resiak | marc_in_lux: man screen |
| 12:52.06 | marc_in_lux | ah... ok |
| 12:52.22 | marc_in_lux | but screen, I believe, is in /usr/bin... |
| 12:52.33 | marc_in_lux | so if I unmount that, will it continue to work? |
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| 12:52.54 | wykis-x | hey |
| 12:52.56 | resiak | Argh, yes, that's true. I don't know. You could _try_ it, but it's probably safest to get physical access to the machine. |
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| 12:53.15 | TBBle | michael: Remove hotplug and/or udev. This of course presents serious risks of non-bootable system, so I highly disrecommend it. |
| 12:53.18 | crypt_ex | If I have lots of servers I need to keep logging into for server admin stuff, can anyone recommend A good ssh client for storing the ip's etc? |
| 12:53.26 | resiak | crypt_ex: ssh |
| 12:53.32 | crypt_ex | bah |
| 12:53.33 | marc_in_lux | crypt_ex, on Windows: putty |
| 12:53.51 | wykis-x | how do i install BCM4306 Wireless PCI ? |
| 12:53.51 | wykis-x | ./lspci shows it there |
| 12:53.51 | wykis-x | i dont have any idea on drivers :/ |
| 12:53.58 | resiak | crypt_ex: man ssh_config --- you can set up aliases |
| 12:54.01 | crypt_ex | putty isnt that good at storing a lot of server details |
| 12:54.14 | marc_in_lux | ? |
| 12:54.17 | crypt_ex | resiak, will look at that. ta |
| 12:54.20 | resiak | crypt_ex: Also, bash and zsh's tab completion can do tab completion of ssh based on .ssh/known_hosts |
| 12:54.23 | TBBle | wykis-x: http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Broadcom_43xx_Linux_Driver/Debian_Unstable_with_Devicescape_802.11_stack |
| 12:55.07 | TBBle | cyzie: What can't putty store? |
| 12:55.31 | cyzie | TBBle, huh?! |
| 12:55.37 | crypt_ex | thanks resiak thats gonna help a lot |
| 12:55.45 | TBBle | cyzie: Whoops, sorry |
| 12:55.52 | TBBle | crypt_ex: What can't putty store? |
| 12:55.53 | michael | TBBle: Ok, then at least i know which programs are trying to load the modules. thanks |
| 12:56.13 | wykis-x | btw why am i getting things like usb.c device not owned by any active driver or something all the time, when USb devices are connected? |
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| 12:56.17 | resiak | crypt_ex: No problem. |
| 12:56.22 | wykis-x | what should i do - it was really annoying through installation |
| 12:56.26 | wykis-x | until i took everything out |
| 12:57.04 | wykis-x | what kernel does the newsest, stable debian have? |
| 12:57.09 | wykis-x | (version)? |
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| 12:57.29 | TBBle | wykis-x: Uhh, 2.6.8-2 |
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| 12:58.08 | UncleDz | ok thank you for the help |
| 12:58.11 | wykis-x | >> and linux-headers-2.6.15-1 (Depended on by the headers for your kernel flavour, which you also need.) |
| 12:58.11 | UncleDz | nima thanks again :) |
| 12:58.19 | nima | np |
| 12:58.20 | wykis-x | in TBBle, so should i upgrade or soemthing?! |
| 12:58.22 | ocp | can someone tell me how i can make gnome panel launch one time instead of 2 times each time i log on a session ? |
| 12:58.28 | TBBle | wykis-x: Uhh, it needs 2.6.15, yes. |
| 12:58.33 | wykis-x | :/ |
| 12:58.56 | nima | what the hell, ocp |
| 12:59.05 | ocp | nima, u know that ? |
| 12:59.13 | crypt_ex | TBBle, I haved putty for win sometime and werent impressed... personal views, used techia at work, and just want a replacement for my nix box at home.... resiak has pointed me in the right direction though. |
| 12:59.28 | resiak | crypt_ex: Enable bash_completion for a Good Time(TM) |
| 12:59.39 | crypt_ex | hmm |
| 12:59.52 | resiak | crypt_ex: (or switch to zsh and get a good .zshrc, but you may not want to switch shell) |
| 13:00.12 | crypt_ex | resiak, bash is the shell I am connecting too. |
| 13:00.25 | TBBle | crypt_ex: But I'm still not clear on the deficiency. I found it much better than the openssh windows client I tried, and I've not tried anything else. |
| 13:00.39 | wykis-x | TBBle would these instructions be ok? http://tinyurl.com/96zoq |
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| 13:01.06 | baikonur | hello |
| 13:01.11 | resiak | !tell wykis-x -about ndiswrapper |
| 13:01.13 | resiak | !tell wykis-x -about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 13:01.25 | crypt_ex | TBBle, just like the drop down menu to be honest and you have admin 50+ servers its a blessing |
| 13:01.30 | TBBle | wykis-x: If you're happy using ndiswrapper... |
| 13:01.41 | baikonur | is it possible to use ssh just as a remote shell for data transfer via e. g. rsync and disable the encryption for that purpose? |
| 13:01.43 | crypt_ex | and if you |
| 13:01.54 | TBBle | crypt_ex: Which drop-down menu? I just add shortcuts to start putty on my quicklaunch bar. |
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| 13:02.06 | resiak | baikonur: No, you'd use rsh for that, but why? Does the encryption really slow things down? |
| 13:02.11 | crypt_ex | TBBle, but that can add up. |
| 13:02.26 | ocp | nima, did you ever got that problem ? |
| 13:02.41 | TBBle | crypt_ex: True. If I find I'm stuck on a windows desktop again, I'll look up techia. |
| 13:02.47 | nima | nope, ocp |
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| 13:03.23 | crypt_ex | in openssh there is drop down menu at the top, hides the profiles. Like I said, personal views really. Finding it hard to type, broke my arm :s one handed typing sucks |
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| 13:03.25 | mrec | hmm does acpi work with normal isa cards that use a fixed interrupt? |
| 13:03.32 | baikonur | resiak: yes, about more than half of the speed I get with "nc". But I'm not sure if it is only caused by the encryption |
| 13:03.45 | wykis-x | i dont think so |
| 13:03.55 | TBBle | crypt_ex: I had problems with openssh and character encodings |
| 13:04.00 | wykis-x | what can be wrong with ndiswrapper |
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| 13:04.04 | resiak | baikonur: Well, you can use rsh... or you could have an rsyncd. |
| 13:04.15 | nima | ocp, it might be helpful to ask in #gnome |
| 13:04.17 | Guerin | baikonur: try using a different (eg, faster) cypher |
| 13:04.22 | Guerin | cipher |
| 13:04.23 | Guerin | even |
| 13:04.25 | TBBle | mrec: Work? I'm pretty sure ISA PnP on an ACPI system reserves its own space so ACPI won't _break_ it. But I doubt ACPI gets involved in the pnpconfig. |
| 13:04.28 | crypt_ex | TBBle, all servers are redhat based.... no problems so far. |
| 13:04.31 | resiak | wykis-x: It's a bad thing for Linux, because it encourages manufacturers not to release real Linux drivers |
| 13:04.36 | ocp | nima, i does but only noob there :P noone know about it |
| 13:04.38 | resiak | Guerin: Ooh, didn't know you could do taht |
| 13:04.44 | TBBle | crypt_ex: Running UTF-8? |
| 13:04.46 | wykis-x | resiak ok then |
| 13:04.52 | wykis-x | i've just found something |
| 13:04.56 | wykis-x | a reason why they dont do that |
| 13:04.58 | TBBle | I found it boned Japanese text (wide characters) in UTF-8 |
| 13:05.01 | crypt_ex | TBBle, couldnt tell you sorry. |
| 13:05.02 | wykis-x | http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0304.3/1120.html :)) |
| 13:05.39 | crypt_ex | hehe |
| 13:05.51 | crypt_ex | good job its just english here |
| 13:05.58 | Guerin | yeh |
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| 13:06.29 | Guerin | i'd guess blowfish or arcfour are fastest, but that'd be trivially googlable |
| 13:06.32 | baikonur | Guerin: ok, I thought maybe you can disable the encryption completely |
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| 13:06.55 | TBBle | I found blowfish massively sped up scp, personally. |
| 13:07.18 | Guerin | baikonur: well... conceivably you could choose rot13 or something |
| 13:07.30 | Guerin | if there's a proper cipher written for it |
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| 13:07.43 | mxn | Hi. If I patch an existing kernel source tree to a newer version, will it take less time to compile (than if I used a fresh, full tree)? |
| 13:07.57 | Guerin | baikonur: you'd have to tell me your ip address first, though, so I could sniff your traffic |
| 13:08.05 | TBBle | mxn: Nope. |
| 13:08.05 | Guerin | mxn: no |
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| 13:08.15 | mxn | Thought so, thanks folks. :-) |
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| 13:08.25 | IO80 | hi all!!! |
| 13:08.29 | TCW | re |
| 13:08.33 | TCW | Whats up with p.d.o? |
| 13:08.38 | IO80 | is there someone who can help me? |
| 13:08.54 | TBBle | IO80: 6 billion people, there's a fairly good chance. |
| 13:09.04 | IO80 | I would change the login message of debian... |
| 13:09.07 | wykis-x | TBBle, the link you gave me for the drivers -> the file devicescape-051219-external.tar.bz2 can't be downloaded |
| 13:09.11 | nima | baikonur, telnet, if you like bad ideas |
| 13:09.16 | IO80 | after typing password... |
| 13:09.19 | baikonur | Guerin: try 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2 I use a cross over cable though |
| 13:09.23 | POVaddct | IO80: /etc/motd |
| 13:09.27 | wykis-x | the iiie802.11 stack ;/ |
| 13:09.35 | oskie | it should take less time to compile, assuming that some parts of the kernel weren't changed... (also assuming the make system works correctly) |
| 13:09.38 | IO80 | thank u! I'll try it now! |
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| 13:09.55 | TBBle | wykis-x: Oh crap. I'll put the Makefile up directly instead. |
| 13:09.56 | EdLin | !u |
| 13:09.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:10.17 | TBBle | Whitman: Are you sure? Worked for me just now. |
| 13:10.19 | TBBle | Uh. |
| 13:10.22 | TBBle | Whitman: Sorry |
| 13:10.26 | TBBle | wykis-x: Are you sure? Worked for me just now. |
| 13:10.34 | Guerin | baikonur: sweet! |
| 13:10.41 | baikonur | Guerin: yeah |
| 13:10.54 | ocp | hi i want to make gdm starting only one time (cause it is launching twice when i logon ;( ) |
| 13:10.59 | nima | haha, user friendly is funny |
| 13:11.06 | Guerin | baikonur: you have all the same shit I do!! You must have hax0red my box first!!!!1 |
| 13:11.19 | wykis-x | mm |
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| 13:11.31 | wykis-x | oh my browser probably |
| 13:11.33 | wykis-x | Opera |
| 13:11.35 | baikonur | Guerin: you stole my ip address? |
| 13:11.46 | wykis-x | :DD |
| 13:12.00 | TBBle | You bastards have broken into my router???? |
| 13:12.08 | IO80 | thank you vey much POVaddct!!!! |
| 13:12.08 | wykis-x | on IE it works |
| 13:12.19 | POVaddct | IO80: no problem |
| 13:12.22 | realnewbie | Hello.. I have just installed debian on my IBM thinkpad (dual boot). How do i change what video card driver to use for XWindows? |
| 13:12.36 | EdLin | !drxx realnewbie |
| 13:12.36 | dpkg | realnewbie: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 13:12.59 | gigabytes | hi all |
| 13:13.14 | Guerin | bah |
| 13:13.20 | gigabytes | how can I create a dummy package to resolve a dependecy trouble? |
| 13:13.20 | ocp | gigabytes, hi |
| 13:13.21 | Guerin | the custard gods hate me :( |
| 13:13.22 | realnewbie | just type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 at the terminal ? |
| 13:13.29 | ocp | gigabytes, do you know about gnome ? |
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| 13:13.46 | Guerin | gigabytes: /msg dpkg equivs # use at your own risk |
| 13:13.48 | EdLin | realnewbie: su or sudo to root first |
| 13:13.55 | gigabytes | ocp, no i don't. I use kde |
| 13:13.57 | gigabytes | Guerin, thanks |
| 13:14.08 | ocp | gigabytes, ok no problem :P |
| 13:14.08 | IO80 | now... :D How can I remove the inityial screenshot of grub? |
| 13:14.09 | wykis-x | TBBle http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
| 13:14.14 | wykis-x | would this work? |
| 13:14.14 | wykis-x | :) |
| 13:14.15 | IO80 | *initial |
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| 13:14.29 | TBBle | wykis-x: That's where the code come from, yes... I'm not sure what you mean beyond that. |
| 13:14.41 | Guerin | wykis-x: my crystal ball fee is $1000 |
| 13:14.42 | IO80 | I could set TIMEOUT to 0... Is there another way? |
| 13:15.10 | POVaddct | IO80: sorry, don't know about grub. still using lilo. |
| 13:15.15 | TBBle | IO80: Investigate bootsplash support. |
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| 13:15.29 | IO80 | ok! :) |
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| 13:15.35 | IO80 | tnx guys! |
| 13:15.36 | IO80 | :D |
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| 13:15.54 | wykis-x | so i have 4306, would these drivers work or not? |
| 13:15.55 | wykis-x | :/ |
| 13:16.04 | Guerin | !htfswk wykis-x |
| 13:16.04 | dpkg | wykis-x: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 13:16.13 | Guerin | wykis-x: suck it and see. Then come and tell us. |
| 13:16.29 | Deviad | Can anyone explain me why editing XTerm (which didn't exist before I created it) has had no effect? |
| 13:16.32 | TBBle | wykis-x: Yes. "xx" means "any value of two characters" of which 06 is one. |
| 13:16.39 | resiak | Deviad: What effect _should_ it have? |
| 13:16.47 | Deviad | Show me the euro currency into aterm |
| 13:16.50 | EdLin | !confuse Deviad |
| 13:16.51 | dpkg | No, where are our gerbil tomorrow, Deviad? wellies of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 13:16.52 | Deviad | as described in the howto |
| 13:17.04 | wykis-x | TBBle i just wasnt sure, because they give a link to linux-430>1<.sf.net |
| 13:17.22 | Deviad | :( |
| 13:17.33 | Deviad | I can't see the euro symbol in aterm after following the howto |
| 13:17.34 | resiak | Deviad: ...by creating a file called "XTerm"?! |
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| 13:17.51 | TBBle | wykis-x: Try it, see if it works. Worked on my powerbook G4 15", no idea which one that is. |
| 13:17.52 | Deviad | resiak, I created the file and edited it according to the howto of course |
| 13:17.58 | resiak | ... |
| 13:18.04 | Deviad | I didn't just create it if that's what you are thinking hehe |
| 13:18.06 | resiak | And of course we just MAGICALLY KNOW what HOWTO this is. |
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| 13:18.30 | Deviad | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-euro-support/ |
| 13:18.31 | Deviad | that one |
| 13:18.38 | Deviad | the one and the only :D |
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| 13:18.46 | Guerin | resiak: oh, you didn't realise freenode.net is a cname to magic-ninja-mindreaders.com? |
| 13:18.57 | wykis-x | TBBle so ok, what if i don't really want to upgrade my kernel, would .8 work instead .15 ? ;/ |
| 13:19.01 | Deviad | Guerin, I'm a ninjia in rl :( |
| 13:19.07 | valdyn | Deviad: did you read the part where it sais that its horribly outdated? |
| 13:19.08 | TBBle | wykis-x: Nope. dscape needs 2.6.15 |
| 13:19.19 | Guerin | Deviad: a typing ninja, I see. |
| 13:19.25 | TBBle | wykis-x: Well, I could be wrong about that, but I _highly_ _highly_ _highly_ doubt it will build on 2.6.8 |
| 13:19.32 | Deviad | valdyn, well, here it worked fine till the console stuff |
| 13:19.48 | Deviad | valdyn, the only problem is the xterm stuff |
| 13:20.04 | wykis-x | :( |
| 13:20.09 | HolyGoat | anyone know if ipmasq automagically configures outgoing/incoming interfaces? |
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| 13:20.38 | resiak | Deviad: And you remerged the file with xrdb -merge and then restarted the terminal? |
| 13:20.41 | wykis-x | ok, i had forgotten how to compile the kernel - make config , make modules, make install ? |
| 13:20.48 | olczyk | hi I am only modifying a driver. After recompiling, how can i tell what files I have to replace in my installation. |
| 13:20.54 | olczyk | :) |
| 13:21.00 | TBBle | wykis-x: make-kpkg. Ask dpkg about it. |
| 13:21.03 | realnewbie | does debian have the drivers for ATI-Mobility Video Card Notebooks? |
| 13:21.04 | Deviad | resiak, yes |
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| 13:21.18 | valdyn | Deviad: start xterm in a shell, it should give errors if those fonts you added cant be found |
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| 13:21.24 | resiak | Deviad: What confuses me is that you have to do _anything_, because it all Just Works for me on Sarge with rxvt-unicode |
| 13:21.33 | POVaddct | wykis-x: make menuconfig is nicer to handle than make config |
| 13:21.49 | TBBle | realnewbie: Which one? Most likely, yes, but hard to say for sure. |
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| 13:22.08 | realnewbie | k, going to try |
| 13:22.10 | wykis-x | !tell me about make-kpkg |
| 13:22.11 | wykis-x | :/ |
| 13:22.22 | TBBle | wykis-x: Alternatively, pull in 2.6.15-1-whatever from Unstable, if you're braver. You'll need to pull in a few other things too. |
| 13:22.24 | ocp | TBBle, cant you help me about gnome please ? |
| 13:22.30 | TBBle | ocp: Unlikely. |
| 13:22.32 | Sonny | Hi, does somebody know how to access to ext3 drives from winbug? |
| 13:22.39 | wykis-x | !tell me about kp mantra |
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| 13:22.46 | ocp | TBBle, well i cant find help anywhere :( |
| 13:22.54 | wykis-x | ok ok ok |
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| 13:23.04 | TBBle | ocp: And asking random people in random IRC channels helps? |
| 13:23.14 | wykis-x | so i dont do normal conpiling, i use the make-kpkg ? |
| 13:23.18 | ocp | TBBle, are you joking ? |
| 13:23.26 | wykis-x | ill just download the stable kernel now |
| 13:23.28 | wykis-x | .15 |
| 13:23.31 | TBBle | ocp: Maybe. |
| 13:23.39 | Deviad | xterm works aterm, Eterm not |
| 13:23.40 | Deviad | :\ |
| 13:23.43 | TBBle | Sonny: Google can solve that one. There's a few IFSs around, or explorefs lets you load it in a window... |
| 13:23.45 | Guerin | !#gnome |
| 13:23.45 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:23.49 | Guerin | ocp: ^^^^ |
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| 13:23.59 | ocp | ^ |
| 13:24.02 | ocp | ^ |
| 13:24.04 | ocp | !! |
| 13:24.04 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 13:24.09 | resiak | HAHAH |
| 13:24.12 | wykis-x | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-2.6.15.bz2 << patch? |
| 13:24.17 | TBBle | Sonny: ext2ifs-0.3.zip is what I use, I think. |
| 13:24.18 | wykis-x | where does it patch from? |
| 13:24.27 | resiak | Ah, it's a Sunday, isn't it? |
| 13:24.33 | TBBle | wykis-x: 2.6.14 I'd think. |
| 13:25.01 | wykis-x | ok,, TBBle thanks for your help, can you explain what to do? |
| 13:25.01 | Sonny | TBBle: Yes I know, but I wan t a tool that supports LVM |
| 13:25.09 | wykis-x | ok, i will download 2.6.15 now |
| 13:25.14 | TBBle | wykis-x: Yes, use make-kpkg after doing your make config or makemenuconfig or whatever. There's a readme. |
| 13:25.19 | valdyn | Deviad: eterm should give errors too |
| 13:25.34 | wykis-x | oh ok |
| 13:25.34 | wykis-x | :) |
| 13:25.44 | TBBle | Sonny: Ah. Then I'd try google again, adding 'lvm' to the keyword list. |
| 13:26.20 | Sonny | TBBle: lol.... ok ok... I just was looking for a shortcut hahaha |
| 13:26.30 | ircdevil | how to play encrypted wma in xine? |
| 13:27.08 | Deviad | valdyn, good, it works now |
| 13:27.13 | Deviad | thx :) |
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| 13:28.02 | markit | hi, I've got problems in upgrading my debian sid kernel to linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 ... anyone interested in the messages? |
| 13:28.16 | resiak | Have you checked the BTS? |
| 13:28.28 | markit | resiak: no, just google |
| 13:28.30 | resiak | !btssmite markit |
| 13:28.34 | resiak | *plonk!* |
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| 13:29.01 | markit | I've apt-listbugs installed, but did not raised warnings while dist-upgrading |
| 13:29.02 | EdLin | markit: apt-get install reportbug and use it |
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| 13:29.54 | markit | ok, I will try to fix, or downgrade, thanks |
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| 13:30.08 | Spliffster | Firefox 1.5, will it be in sarge/testing soon or should i install it manually ? |
| 13:30.23 | valdyn | !why is firefox not in testing |
| 13:30.23 | dpkg | firefox is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=firefox |
| 13:30.52 | darkcmd | uh.. looking at topic I thought testing didn't get security |
| 13:31.22 | EdLin | darkcmd: that used to be entirely the case but now there is testing security |
| 13:31.30 | darkcmd | whoa |
| 13:31.47 | EdLin | darkcmd: you have to add it to your /etc/apt/sources.list though. |
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| 13:32.00 | darkcmd | when did this happen? |
| 13:32.16 | EdLin | darkcmd: /msg dpkg testing security |
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| 13:32.53 | wykis-x | TBBle can i instead of just following the first step in the driverr installation, install the newest kernel? |
| 13:32.58 | wykis-x | 2.6.15-git4 |
| 13:33.20 | prisine | how to mod the automagix part of grub's menu.lst ? |
| 13:33.23 | wykis-x | aaw no |
| 13:33.27 | wykis-x | i take that back |
| 13:33.36 | wykis-x | got osmeting wrong |
| 13:33.50 | ncp | im about to install java on amd64, am i downloading the wrong file cause it 41MB ? |
| 13:34.34 | darkcmd | is this testing security extremely recent? |
| 13:35.07 | ncp | jdk-1_5_0_02-linux-amd64.bin 41mb, am i downloading the wrong file? |
| 13:35.29 | blondie | ncp: no that's right |
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| 13:35.40 | blondie | assuming your want to compile java rather than just run it |
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| 13:35.47 | DevilChaos | hi peeps |
| 13:35.47 | blondie | jdk = java dev. kit |
| 13:35.48 | wykis_ | :/ |
| 13:35.55 | wykis_ | lost connection |
| 13:36.09 | wykis_ | !tell me about upgrading kernel |
| 13:36.11 | takatumi | prisine: which part? |
| 13:36.17 | wykis_ | !tell me about kernel |
| 13:36.23 | ncp | blondie: just want to install java |
| 13:36.23 | DevilChaos | nvidia officially sucks |
| 13:36.35 | wykis_ | !tell me about installing kernel |
| 13:36.39 | wykis_ | ;/ |
| 13:36.40 | takatumi | wykis_: /msg dpkg |
| 13:36.42 | prisine | takatumi: anything within the automagix portion cannot be edited. |
| 13:36.46 | wykis_ | ok |
| 13:36.52 | ncp | blondie: so its not right file? |
| 13:37.04 | takatumi | prisine: look at the #kopt line |
| 13:37.11 | DevilChaos | i got new ati card yesterday and i reinstalled drivers and the xserver pinged on where nvidia didnt shows which is bteer for drivers |
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| 13:37.18 | EdLin | darkcmd: it's pretty recent, a month or so after etch was hatched |
| 13:37.29 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
| 13:37.37 | TBBle | wykis-x: Uh, no. |
| 13:37.37 | prisine | takatumi: i did, it can't be edited either. |
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| 13:37.48 | Spliffster | zophyx, thanks for the IM link from yesterday. did it solve your problem then ? |
| 13:37.50 | markit | ok, found that a bug report about my problem has already be issued, 2 to be precise... wondering why apt-buglists did not helped me before the installation, any idea? |
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| 13:37.53 | TBBle | Oh, you changed names |
| 13:38.05 | wykis_ | so is "make-kpkg" already included in debian or no |
| 13:38.16 | takatumi | prisine: you are trying to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst right? |
| 13:38.17 | resiak | !installit |
| 13:38.18 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 13:38.28 | prisine | takatumi: right. |
| 13:39.05 | prisine | takatumi: those lines within the so called automagix part. |
| 13:39.06 | TBBle | wykis_: You won't be able skip those steps. If you're using a netdev kernel, you might have to change the process, I've not looked. It doesn't seem worth it, just use the Debian-packaged kernesl. |
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| 13:39.58 | prisine | takatumi: everytime i change something there, it is gone after 'update-grub'. |
| 13:39.58 | wykis_ | :/..... |
| 13:40.02 | takatumi | prisine: any manual edits there will be overwritten when you install a new kernel, the right way is to modify the #kopt line |
| 13:40.10 | wykis_ | ok, i unpack the kernel in src dir, then i do make menuconfig |
| 13:40.15 | wykis_ | then i do what? |
| 13:40.19 | blondie | ncp: well it'll work :) |
| 13:40.23 | wykis_ | (brand newly installed system) |
| 13:40.49 | prisine | takatumi: #kopt is only one line. |
| 13:40.58 | EdLin | !tell wykis_ about kp mantra |
| 13:41.00 | TBBle | wykis_: Read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README or README.Debian (I forget) |
| 13:41.05 | takatumi | prisine: what exactly are you trying to modify? |
| 13:41.09 | wykis_ | ok |
| 13:41.18 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 13:41.27 | wykis_ | as i am onwindows now i am rreally not able to access the debian |
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| 13:41.38 | Shadowcat | kernel-package mutates faster than the bird flu virus |
| 13:41.43 | Shadowcat | three new versions this week alone |
| 13:41.51 | prisine | takatumi: i want to run 'splashy', i have to add "vga=794" to the boot line. |
| 13:42.17 | wykis_ | installing ntfs drivers:: do i have to download it from ntfs-linux or what, can i install ntfs support when upgrading? |
| 13:42.25 | ncp | blondie: ok thanks :) |
| 13:42.43 | takatumi | prisine: this is my line, # kopt=root=/dev/hda5 ro vga=792, this adds vga=792 to all the kernel lines when update-grub is run |
| 13:42.54 | UncleD | ncp: its the right file as long as you want to develop in java. |
| 13:43.07 | EdLin | wykis_: Debian includes ntfs drivers |
| 13:43.08 | UncleD | ncp: jvm is the java virtual machine, which lets you run java applications |
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| 13:43.14 | TBBle | wykis_: They're in the kernel... There's some upgraded write-support recently, I dunno if it's in 2.6.15-vanilla or not. |
| 13:43.23 | EdLin | wykis_: make that read-only ntfs drivers |
| 13:43.43 | prisine | takatumi: let me try. i'll get back to you later. |
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| 13:45.00 | wykis_ | ok, whats the command for listing all the partitions ( i forgot ), tried fdisk but not found |
| 13:45.27 | TBBle | wykis_: fdisk not found is bad... /sbin/fdisk if you're not root, mind you. |
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| 13:45.48 | wykis_ | oh i wasnt the root |
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| 13:45.55 | wykis_ | thank you :) |
| 13:45.59 | wykis_ | mi iz gone |
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| 13:47.49 | prisine | takatumi: i add vag=792 to #kopt but after update-grub, it is gone. |
| 13:48.07 | prisine | i mean vga=792 |
| 13:48.22 | ncp | im not sure what file do download at java.sun.com, just wanne install java, but can only find the develop install. could anyone post me a link? |
| 13:48.51 | takatumi | prisine: shouldn't happen, pebkac |
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| 13:49.14 | prisine | takatumi: what is pebkac. |
| 13:49.41 | takatumi | prisine: /msg dpkg pebkac :) |
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| 13:49.49 | blondie | haha |
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| 13:51.15 | prisine | takatumi: i have tried it for a while already. |
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| 13:51.24 | ncp | never mind found it, i hope :D |
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| 13:51.39 | DevilChaos | do i need the directory /dev/.udevdb /dev/.udev /dev/.static rkhunter has flagged three things or is been missread? |
| 13:51.45 | takatumi | prisine: can you paste your menu.lst somewhere? |
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| 13:52.01 | DevilChaos | directorys rather |
| 13:52.18 | resiak | DevilChaos: They're part of udev, and are fine. What's it saying is wrong with them? |
| 13:52.28 | crypt_ex | does anyone know how I can add a short cut to gnomes menu? |
| 13:52.39 | Shadowcat | what's the command to see available modules? |
| 13:52.49 | prisine | ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
| 13:52.51 | prisine | ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified |
| 13:52.53 | prisine | takatumi: does this mean anything to u? ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below |
| 13:53.08 | DevilChaos | that they hav to be checked manually hidden files warning |
| 13:53.19 | resiak | DevilChaos: they're fine. |
| 13:53.25 | DevilChaos | ok ty |
| 13:53.31 | resiak | !ty |
| 13:53.31 | dpkg | it has been said that ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player, or the company that creates Beanie Babies(TM) |
| 13:54.09 | DevilChaos | bog off i can say ty better than any1 |
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| 13:54.35 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 13:54.46 | takatumi | prisine: the markers are ###, anything between those will be modified |
| 13:56.01 | prisine | takatumi: "except for the default options below" and #kopt is one of them? |
| 13:56.41 | prisine | takatumi: i will put the menu in #flood. wait a few seconds. |
| 13:56.55 | DevilChaos | what can i use to convert dvd vobs to avi files? |
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| 14:00.46 | nvz | I think its funny when I see cloaks gentoo/developer. how the hell does gentoo have developers.. they are spending so much time compiling and recompiling and recompiling and recompliing and recompiling and recompiling and recompiling.. how the hell do they have time to develop |
| 14:01.09 | darkcmd | nvz: ahahha |
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| 14:01.16 | ootput | hi guys, i'm trying to set up some basic networking. I have an iptables firewall sitting between the cablemodem and a switch. that switch has connections from a linksys wireless router, and a personal computer. I'm unable to figure out the proper routing settings for the wireless clients, and the settings for the wireless router itself. |
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| 14:02.17 | prisine | takatumi: it is in. |
| 14:02.18 | takatumi | prisine: did you change # kopt=root=/dev/hda3 ro vga=794? |
| 14:02.52 | prisine | takatumi: i tried, but after update-grub, it is gone. |
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| 14:03.36 | ncp | mc |
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| 14:03.57 | crypt_ex | does anyone know how I can add a short cut to gnomes menu? |
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| 14:04.11 | resiak | !#gnome |
| 14:04.11 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 14:04.23 | nvz | crypt_ex: do what? |
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| 14:04.46 | nvz | crypt_ex: your question completly lacks context |
| 14:04.59 | darkcmd | tell me if this is a good virtual desktop setup... 2 of them... 1 for graphical apps... 2 for terminal actions |
| 14:05.09 | crypt_ex | I just want to add a shortcut to the gnome start menu eeekkkk ms termiogly coming through. |
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| 14:05.16 | resiak | If it works for you, it's good. If it doesn't, it's not. HTH |
| 14:05.16 | TBBle | darkcmd: Try it and see? |
| 14:05.19 | tuv | i don't have md5sum binary in my path.. i only have md5sum.textutils. what is the cleanest way to solve thid problem? |
| 14:05.33 | tuv | this |
| 14:05.35 | darkcmd | brb fzero gx time |
| 14:05.36 | crypt_ex | nvz, yea I know... I am trying my best |
| 14:05.43 | ncp | followed this guide 'http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142' on how to install java, did every thing as the guide says, but i'm missing libjavaplugin_oji.so... what could i have done wrong, or do i still need to do someting? |
| 14:05.58 | nvz | crypt_ex: you arent giving any context.. add it where why the hell cant you just click on the gnome menu? |
| 14:06.02 | TBBle | tuv: Check for and remove the dpkg-diversion on md5sum? |
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| 14:06.21 | Anthro | Okay, so I got the 2006 key, which fixed the NO_PUBKEY errors with apt-get update. Marillat's archive was also giving me BADSIG errors, however, and they are now fixed as well. Can someone explain that to me? I'm pleased it worked, but I'm looking to understand why. |
| 14:06.23 | tuv | TBBle: how do i do that? |
| 14:06.25 | nvz | crypt_ex: I cant even begin to answer your question because I have no idea what the question is yet |
| 14:06.38 | nvz | crypt_ex: you want to add a "shortcut |
| 14:06.58 | nvz | crypt_ex: " to the gnome menu to the list of the 10 commandments? |
| 14:07.01 | crypt_ex | I would like to add a shortcut to gnomes menu, the same way I can excute other applications |
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| 14:07.13 | crypt_ex | lol |
| 14:07.17 | nvz | crypt_ex: cannot be done, the gnome menu is not an application |
| 14:07.27 | takatumi | prisine: that file looks fine to me, adding vga=794 at the end of the # kopt line should work, if it doesn't I don't know, works fine here. |
| 14:07.30 | resiak | Can be done in 2.12 I believe |
| 14:07.51 | Anthro | ncp: Is it not installed anywhere, or is it just not available in Firefox? |
| 14:07.54 | nvz | crypt_ex: if you would give me some fucking context I could answer this |
| 14:08.04 | crypt_ex | nvz, look please bare with me here..... my other arm is plaster |
| 14:08.08 | nvz | crypt_ex: are you wanting to add this WHERE? |
| 14:08.25 | tuv | TBBle: are you referring to "alternatives" or something else? |
| 14:08.30 | TBBle | tuv: man dpkg-divert I think. |
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| 14:08.55 | user__ | hi |
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| 14:08.55 | nvz | crypt_ex: if you want to add this in GNOME perhaps on the nautilus desktop.. its doable |
| 14:09.02 | Anthro | tuv: I don't know how that would have happened, but I might try apt-get install --reinstall textutils. |
| 14:09.08 | user__ | how do i update my system to sid? |
| 14:09.11 | crypt_ex | the menu, where you can select different submenus; there launchers,, short cuts, or whatever you wanna call them.... I would like to add my own |
| 14:09.12 | ncp | Anthro: the guide said i need to ln -s libjavaplugin_oji.so to the users home lib, but the file aint there. the guide said i should be here '/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so' but i aint |
| 14:09.17 | prisine | takatumi: it is ok now. could really be a case of pebkac. thks a lot. |
| 14:09.24 | Anthro | user__: If you don't know, you shouldn't. |
| 14:09.31 | user__ | Anthro why |
| 14:09.39 | Anthro | !sid |
| 14:09.39 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 14:09.39 | takatumi | prisine: enjoy. :) |
| 14:09.40 | prisine | got to re-boot to test out. bye. |
| 14:09.52 | Anthro | !upgrade-sid |
| 14:09.59 | Anthro | !sid-upgrade |
| 14:09.59 | user__ | well |
| 14:10.05 | user__ | i want to use things like |
| 14:10.10 | nvz | crypt_ex: you are just further confusing the issue now.. now you are talking about making your own pull down menu, not making a shortcut to a menu |
| 14:10.10 | user__ | xorg and stuff |
| 14:10.19 | tuv | Anthro: textutils is not installed (it's a transitional package). the installed md5sum is from coreutils.. reinstalling coreutils didn't help |
| 14:10.21 | user__ | which arent' in sarge |
| 14:10.39 | nvz | crypt_ex: in gnome you can add a drawer applet to your panel and put icons in it.. and the drawers can contain other drawers as well |
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| 14:11.01 | crypt_ex | nvz, so I can click on 'applications' > 'Internet' > 'Myshortcut to my app' |
| 14:11.18 | Anthro | !sid upgrade |
| 14:11.18 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
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| 14:11.31 | Anthro | !tell user__ about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 14:11.39 | raf256 | Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. |
| 14:11.41 | nvz | crypt_ex: this is done by the "menu" package in debian, which governs all menus |
| 14:11.55 | nvz | crypt_ex: anything you add would be overwritten by update-menus |
| 14:11.59 | crypt_ex | ok |
| 14:12.07 | crypt_ex | menu package.... |
| 14:12.08 | Anthro | raf256: Good job following directions. |
| 14:12.10 | user__ | i know what i s sid |
| 14:12.11 | Anthro | user__: Got it? |
| 14:12.15 | user__ | yes |
| 14:12.16 | raf256 | Anthro: ;) |
| 14:12.29 | user__ | but |
| 14:12.44 | DavePatt | what? |
| 14:12.48 | user__ | you have recend packages in sid, so it is some kindof upgrade |
| 14:12.52 | user__ | recent* |
| 14:13.04 | raf256 | its often a fucpupgrade |
| 14:13.11 | DavePatt | heh |
| 14:13.17 | raf256 | dont be tempted, it might *seem* to be better |
| 14:13.30 | raf256 | its like democracy - it might seem better, |
| 14:13.33 | Anthro | user__: You can do it, but it's ill-advised if you don't know what you are doing. I have been running a testing/unstable mix for years, and there have been a number of times when it has gotten me into trouble. Fortunately I knew my way out. You will not get much sympathy if you run sid and don't know what you are doing. |
| 14:13.34 | EdLin | user__: if you can't read manpages and edit configuration files, you have no business running sid |
| 14:13.42 | raf256 | but then it turns out it is Bush, sot it sucks and is [mentally] unstable |
| 14:14.00 | user__ | my bussines is to have xorg |
| 14:14.05 | user__ | instead xfree |
| 14:14.07 | nvz | crypt_ex: /usr/share/doc/menu/ you want to add your own menu scripts in your home dir to override (but include) the system menus |
| 14:14.11 | asg | user__: /msg dpkg sarge xorg |
| 14:14.15 | Anthro | user__: Look/wait for backports. sid is not the answer. |
| 14:14.16 | EdLin | user__: then search apt-get.org for backports |
| 14:14.21 | raf256 | user__: you have big chance of fucking up the system |
| 14:14.32 | asg | user__: or /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 14:14.43 | user__ | asg ? |
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| 14:14.58 | user__ | okay |
| 14:15.01 | asg | user__: you can use a backport of xorg for sarge. /msg dpkg xorg sarge tells you where to get it |
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| 14:15.03 | user__ | i won't use sarge |
| 14:15.10 | DavePatt | xfree to xorg can be done in etch |
| 14:15.22 | takatumi | user__: man sources.list |
| 14:15.22 | aolchattrhand | hii there |
| 14:15.23 | user__ | i mean |
| 14:15.25 | user__ | sid |
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| 14:15.26 | user__ | :) |
| 14:15.32 | airox | Hi people. |
| 14:15.36 | kokoko | hi |
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| 14:16.54 | crypt_ex | thanks nvz |
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| 14:17.39 | nvz | damn I had my phone all night at work and it only took like 15min to fully recharge it |
| 14:17.55 | tuv | i added an alternatives entry for md5sum |
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| 14:18.03 | phuqmnb | anyone else getting this: The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 14:18.05 | phuqmnb | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.06 | phuqmnb | E: Broken packages |
| 14:18.22 | azeem | phuqmnb: on unstable? |
| 14:18.30 | nvz | phuqmnb: since you pasted it, everyone in #debian got it :P |
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| 14:18.34 | ncp | i'm missing 'libjavaplugin_oji.so' after installing java. got no error when installing. i dont got an plugin folder in /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/ what did i do wrong? |
| 14:18.42 | phuqmnb | Testing |
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| 14:18.59 | nvz | ncp: considering java is not in debian, how did you install java? |
| 14:19.05 | phuqmnb | I am running backports in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:19.25 | ncp | nvz: followed this guide 'http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142' |
| 14:19.27 | asg | ncp: /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so is where it is located |
| 14:19.28 | Blissex | ncp: everything is all right probably. |
| 14:19.33 | EdLin | ncp: java-package takes care of the plugin simlink for you |
| 14:19.36 | Anthro | ncp: Did you install using java-package? |
| 14:19.41 | asg | ncp: in the future, find(1) will be useful for locating such things |
| 14:19.41 | EdLin | symlink& |
| 14:19.49 | ncp | Anthro: yes |
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| 14:19.58 | Anthro | ncp: try dpkg -S javaplugin |
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| 14:20.28 | ncp | Anthro: dpkg: *javaplugin* not found |
| 14:20.35 | nvz | EdLin: [1] 2709 |
| 14:20.45 | ncp | but the folders are all there just not plugin |
| 14:20.49 | EdLin | nvz: meant to type "*" :-) |
| 14:21.12 | tuv | ncp: the plugin is in /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/jre/plugin ... etc. |
| 14:21.13 | EdLin | for some reason my typing sucks lately |
| 14:21.22 | prisine | i have WinXP at (hd0,0) and Debian at (hd0,2). right now the system boot up WinXP by default. how to change that to Debian? |
| 14:21.40 | Anthro | ncp: Looks like it wasn't installed. I would have expected it to be in the sdk, but it looks like it is not. Are you doing Java development, or do you just want to run Java stuff? |
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| 14:21.50 | ncp | tuv: iknow but dont have the plugin folder in /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/jre/ |
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| 14:22.04 | nvz | EdLin: and I meant to type "bash: symlink: command not found \n [1] 2709 \n [1] Exit 127 symlink"] |
| 14:22.05 | EdLin | !folder |
| 14:22.05 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
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| 14:22.11 | Gnea | tuv: it's /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/lib/i386/ here |
| 14:22.13 | prisine | takatumi: what need to be done to menu.lst? |
| 14:22.14 | ncp | Anthro: just want to run java stuff :D |
| 14:22.25 | EdLin | nvz: heh |
| 14:22.27 | Gnea | or /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ |
| 14:22.28 | nvz | heh |
| 14:22.30 | takatumi | prisine: change 'default 0' to something else |
| 14:22.40 | Anthro | ncp: Uninstall the sdk and get the jre. |
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| 14:22.47 | tuv | Gnea: hmm.. could that be due to different java-package versions? |
| 14:22.52 | Anthro | ncp: It might actually have the java plugin. |
| 14:23.00 | EdLin | I have the sdk and java-package made the plugin |
| 14:23.14 | prisine | takatumi: u mean the line 'default 0' to 'default 2'? |
| 14:23.17 | EdLin | !u |
| 14:23.17 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:23.19 | Gnea | tuv: naw, if i: locate javaplugin i get several hits |
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| 14:23.31 | Gnea | EdLin: u suck ;) |
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| 14:23.42 | takatumi | prisine: if you want the third menu entry to boot, then yes. |
| 14:23.56 | phuqmnb | azeem: Any thoughts? |
| 14:23.56 | EdLin | Gnea: the floggings will continue until moralle improves! |
| 14:24.01 | tuv | Gnea: but i don't have any under lib |
| 14:24.15 | Gnea | EdLin: depends who's giving them ;) |
| 14:24.22 | EdLin | !flog Gnea |
| 14:24.26 | takatumi | prisine: or change it to 'default saved', that will boot the last successfully booted one. |
| 14:24.41 | azeem | phuqmnb: nope, I don't run testing |
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| 14:24.56 | asg | tuv: find /usr/lib/j2* -name libjavaplugin_oji.so (does that return anything at all?) |
| 14:24.58 | tuv | Gnea: it's jre/lib as well as jre/plugin.. but not lib alone |
| 14:25.11 | Gnea | EdLin: liar! : |
| 14:25.12 | prisine | takatumi: thks. u r good. |
| 14:25.13 | Gnea | :D |
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| 14:25.36 | EdLin | !u |
| 14:25.36 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:25.38 | EdLin | !r |
| 14:25.38 | dpkg | methinks r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE", YOU MORONS! |
| 14:25.45 | asg | stop abusing the bot |
| 14:26.05 | EdLin | OK |
| 14:26.08 | asg | EdLin: it's Sunday, they won't listen anyway ;) |
| 14:26.14 | takatumi | hah |
| 14:26.14 | prisine | one last question before i retire for the night. which is the proper way to remove old versions of kernel? |
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| 14:26.19 | Anthro | !sunday |
| 14:26.20 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 14:26.25 | Gnea | tuv: still, /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/ is the base dirctory, at least for the 1.5 release. There may be reasons to install another version |
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| 14:26.27 | azeem | prisine: apt-get remove, I guess |
| 14:26.33 | acid2acid | How can i set +x mode? im unable to do it :p |
| 14:26.35 | Anthro | prisine: apt-get remove |
| 14:26.46 | azeem | acid2acid: man chmod |
| 14:27.00 | prisine | say, apt-remove 2.4.8, for example? |
| 14:27.04 | acid2acid | azeem: i mean on this irc server |
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| 14:27.11 | Gnea | ncp: at any rate, running dpkg -S on any fil in the /usr/lib/j2re-* directory structure should tell you what packagename to remove |
| 14:27.13 | prisine | i mean kernel-2.4.8. |
| 14:27.14 | asg | acid2acid: /mode +x <nic> (presumably) |
| 14:27.15 | Gnea | file |
| 14:27.20 | Gnea | my keyboard sucks today |
| 14:27.30 | takatumi | prisine: kernel-image-2.4.foo |
| 14:27.36 | tuv | Gnea: all the directories i mentioned above are relative to /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun |
| 14:27.44 | Gnea | Anthro: oh you missed it yesterday |
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| 14:27.59 | Anthro | Gnea: Hrm? What happened yesterday? |
| 14:27.59 | prisine | bye. |
| 14:28.00 | Gnea | tuv: what if 1.4 is installed? |
| 14:28.09 | acid2acid | asg: i tried some combinations like this :p |
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| 14:28.26 | Gnea | Anthro: someone claiming to be a debian developer came in here stating that testing != etch |
| 14:28.31 | Quinn_Storm | cups is refusing to start on my machine. at first it was seg-faulting, so I apt-get removed and purged, and after a reinstall of it, its now exiting with status 127. a google turned up a mention of it but no fix, and nothing on b.d.o. running cupsd -f says "cupsd: symbol lookup error: cupsd: undefined symbol: cups_strlcpy" |
| 14:28.44 | Anyone | Gnea, lol :-) |
| 14:28.54 | asg | acid2acid: this ircd may not support mode +x then. |
| 14:28.58 | asg | acid2acid: /help mode |
| 14:29.02 | Anthro | Quinn_Storm: Sounds like filesystem corruption. Make backups now. |
| 14:29.04 | Gnea | Anyone: oh i was laughing in my seat, he just wouln't stop |
| 14:29.08 | Anyone | Gnea, they must still be under their AM. :-) |
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| 14:29.19 | ncp | Gnea: i have install both j2sdk and j2rel but dont know how to remove j2sdk now :S dpkg -r <what here?> |
| 14:29.23 | Anyone | ca |
| 14:29.36 | acid2acid | asg: ok thx for help |
| 14:29.41 | Anyone | Gnea, unless they're not dd's / dm's .. which seems more likely. |
| 14:29.43 | ncp | Gnea: cant choose the file i installede from |
| 14:29.51 | Gnea | Anyone: could've been - i found it intriguing that the developer that he 'claimed' to be was originally a tor user |
| 14:29.55 | Anthro | ncp: dpkg -l '*j2*' | grep ii |
| 14:29.58 | tuv | Gnea: what are getting at? i know 1.5 is installed to /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun and 1.4 will install to a similar directory with 1.4 instead of 1.5. I just told you all the directories i mentioned are relative to /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun.. that is they are subdirectories of that directory |
| 14:30.39 | user__ | im trying to install xorg from backports.org when i: apt-get install xserver-xorg it says it needs xserver-common >= 6.9.0.sth but 4.3.0.something has been alreday installed but when im trying to apt-get remove xserver-common i can't cause its says its not installed any ideas? |
| 14:30.40 | Anyone | Gnea, hmm .. I would have guessed he was pretending to be either Murduck, Bruce or even Robinson. ;-) |
| 14:30.46 | Gnea | ncp: ok, start here: ls -l /usr/lib/j2<tab><tab> how many directories starting with 'j2' show up? |
| 14:31.00 | Anthro | Gnea: Well, there have been times historically when testing != etch, and there will be again in the future. Of course, it sounds like that was not what this guy meant. |
| 14:31.12 | Gnea | Anyone: nope, none of them |
| 14:31.42 | ncp | Gnea: bin,lib,man,debian, and som txt files |
| 14:31.43 | Anyone | OK, guess he was wise enough to know that would be too thick - or maybe he simply didn't have the imagination. |
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| 14:32.00 | user__ | come on people noone of you uses xorg? |
| 14:32.10 | Gnea | Anthro: right, I think his goal was to call attention to an email posted to the debian mailing list on the first of this year that was talking about a rough timetable for the next debian release |
| 14:32.31 | Anthro | user__: Actually, no one gives a crap about it. |
| 14:32.36 | Gnea | ncp: ok, but is it just one j2 directory or 2? |
| 14:32.37 | Anyone | Another question, whats the keywords to ask dpkg to get the oneliner to taint your kernel for nvidia? (And does it work for 2.6.15 in sarge?) |
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| 14:32.54 | Gnea | ncp: like, /usr/lib/j2jre and/or /usr/lib/j2sdk ? |
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| 14:33.06 | Anthro | !nvidia one-liner |
| 14:33.06 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 14:33.17 | user__ | Anthro about xorg? |
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| 14:33.41 | ncp | Gnea: just removed j2sdk so now theres only j2re1.5-sun |
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| 14:33.55 | Anthro | user__: Yes. I guess there are a few gamers or desktop environment whores, but most of us just want our windows to show up. |
| 14:33.58 | Gnea | ncp: ok, so what's the problem? |
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| 14:34.17 | Anthro | ncp: dpkg -S javaplugin |
| 14:34.22 | Gnea | ncp: or did you figur it out? :) |
| 14:34.32 | ncp | im missing the libjavaplugin_oji.so file that i need to place i my ~mozilla folder |
| 14:34.35 | Gnea | Anthro: that's not going to come up with anything :P |
| 14:34.45 | Gnea | ncp: no need! |
| 14:34.55 | ncp | Gnea: ok? |
| 14:35.03 | Gnea | sec.. |
| 14:35.05 | Anthro | Gnea: If he installed with a .deb produced by make-jpkg then it should. |
| 14:35.19 | Gnea | Anthro: not without providing a full path |
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| 14:35.34 | Gnea | ncp: does this file exist? /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 14:35.46 | Anthro | Gnea: I call bullshit. It worked for me. |
| 14:36.04 | ncp | Gnea: no cause i dont have the plugin folder |
| 14:36.15 | Gnea | Anthro: asshole! ;) |
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| 14:36.33 | Anthro | !pal Gnea |
| 14:36.53 | Gnea | ncp: i see... i would go ahead and uninstall that one, download the latest tarball as instructed by dpkg (the bot) and install that one |
| 14:37.00 | Gnea | !beer Anthro |
| 14:37.12 | Anthro | ncp: Do you still have the .debs that make-jpkg produced? |
| 14:37.35 | ncp | Gnea: okay will try that, thanks |
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| 14:37.54 | And_rew | Hi all |
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| 14:38.25 | lil_dd | hello |
| 14:38.26 | Anyone | !beer Anthro |
| 14:38.33 | And_rew | I have a quastion. I set locale KOI8-R (Debian amdx64) and in locale i see not readeble charsets... When I do consolechars -d or consolechars -f Cyr_a8x16 all set normal. I read more docs about localisation, but I don't understand what I do wrong =/ |
| 14:38.34 | Anthro | !announce |
| 14:38.34 | dpkg | methinks announce is We are not interested in greeting you, nor in having you greet us. Don't say hi. Don't waste our time with niceties. Ask or answer questions. |
| 14:38.34 | ncp | Anthro: yes? |
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| 14:38.41 | lil_dd | is debian a good distro? |
| 14:38.48 | Tortel | yes |
| 14:38.50 | lil_dd | KDE or gnome is best? |
| 14:39.01 | user__ | i prefer gnome |
| 14:39.03 | Tortel | both |
| 14:39.04 | user__ | myself |
| 14:39.06 | Anyone | Anthro, next step is to "s/nv/nvidia/" on the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
| 14:39.11 | ncp | or xfce4 :D |
| 14:39.13 | user__ | okay |
| 14:39.21 | user__ | i have installed xserver-xorg |
| 14:39.24 | Anthro | ncp: Okay, good. For each of them run dpkg-deb -c <package.deb> | grep javaplugin |
| 14:39.27 | lil_dd | why is gnome better than kde? |
| 14:39.28 | Tortel | lil_dd: all prefrences |
| 14:39.33 | user__ | but i don't have commands like xorg-cfg xorg-cofnig startx |
| 14:39.37 | Anyone | !non-free-sources |
| 14:39.37 | user__ | what do i need to install??????? |
| 14:39.38 | lil_dd | kde has better graphickal envirement |
| 14:39.42 | Anthro | Anyone: I guess. I haven't messed with it for years. |
| 14:39.52 | Anthro | !start a de war |
| 14:39.52 | lil_dd | ok, i understand |
| 14:39.53 | Tortel | kde and gnome are pretty much the same |
| 14:40.02 | user__ | lil_dd the best aplications are wrinten in gtk |
| 14:40.04 | Tortel | its all prefrence |
| 14:40.17 | ncp | Anthro: nothing, just jumps to the next line |
| 14:40.17 | Anyone | Anthro, same here ... that is .. probably did, but my memory is as tainted as the kernel is going to be :-P |
| 14:40.33 | Anthro | lil_dd: Some prefer KDE. Others prefer GNOME. I happen to like running mostly GNOME apps under KDE. |
| 14:40.50 | Anthro | ncp: Well, that means they aren't even in the package. That's truly odd. |
| 14:41.07 | lil_dd | Bill gates , is he a good man. |
| 14:41.12 | lil_dd | better than linus? |
| 14:41.15 | Anthro | lil_dd: And lots and lots of xterms. Fuck konsole, gnome-terminal, and all the rest. |
| 14:41.17 | lil_dd | I am from sweden |
| 14:41.19 | nvz | lil_dd, is he a troll? |
| 14:41.20 | Anyone | !nvidia |
| 14:41.20 | dpkg | well, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 14:41.29 | lil_dd | almost near where he is from,. finland |
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| 14:41.49 | user__ | lets reboot |
| 14:41.51 | lil_dd | kuja, hi |
| 14:41.59 | lil_dd | I prefer so |
| 14:42.05 | Anthro | lil_dd: Bill Gates is a good man only in the sense that he is spending large quantities of his ill-gotten gains on humanitarian charities. That's about it. |
| 14:42.10 | kuja | lil_dd: hi |
| 14:42.20 | nvz | lil_dd: this is a support channel for debian. not a general discussion channel. Please try be on-topic |
| 14:42.29 | nvz | others, please dont feed the troll |
| 14:42.31 | initech | Anthro: no, he absolutely sucks ass |
| 14:42.32 | lil_dd | ok, abour debian |
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| 14:43.13 | Anthro | initech: You can't claim that he's all bad. The money he's poured into eradicating malaria is pretty good. |
| 14:43.18 | initech | Anthro: mega billionaires always give to charity because they must justify their existence. Most people fall for it. |
| 14:43.42 | Gnea | lil_dd: debian sucks, fluxbox is the bomb, everything else sucks just cuz, bill gates is an evil genius and linus torvolds is a practical human and swedish rolls taste when they hike their skirts up ;) |
| 14:43.45 | initech | they are not neccessary at all |
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| 14:43.50 | Anthro | initech: It doesn't make up for the unpleasantness of MS, but it's better than nothing. |
| 14:43.51 | Blissex | initech: yes, but better than nothing, I mean. A generous action remains generous whatever the motives. |
| 14:43.52 | nvz | not to mention its the only way to stay wealthy.. you get raped in taxes if you dont do something to get tax breaks |
| 14:44.32 | Blissex | nvz: not quite... |
| 14:44.53 | Blissex | nvz: the wealthy pay very little taxes anyhow. What gets taxed is income, more than wealth. |
| 14:44.53 | initech | fuck generosity. largesse of the filthy rich was a hallmark of feudalism. it's fucking bullshit. |
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| 14:44.57 | Gnea | ok, there may have been some heavy sarcasm applid to that |
| 14:45.03 | Gnea | applied too |
| 14:45.14 | pbrunier | initech: Be gentle |
| 14:45.22 | Blissex | initech: it is fucking bullshit, but then it is better than nothing. |
| 14:45.25 | XTL | Ahh, first successful +R burn. |
| 14:45.28 | Gnea | initech: that's the crap that comes out of a cow's butt |
| 14:45.35 | nvz | Blissex: sounds like b.s. to me |
| 14:45.36 | Anthro | nvz: No matter what monetary contributions you give, you will always save less on taxes than you gave in money. The same is not true of donations in kind, of course. |
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| 14:46.27 | Gnea | the reality is that there are greedy people everywhere that get tired of kissing ass and demand a turnover once in awhile |
| 14:46.28 | nvz | Blissex: are you trying to tell me he pays less taxes with all his income, property taxes, cars, planes, boats..etc than me who owns nothing that is taxed, and makes very little money? |
| 14:46.55 | Blissex | nvz: it may well be the case. I would be pretty sure that he pays less tax percentwise than you. |
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| 14:47.37 | Blissex | nvz: if you live in the USA the Republicans in the past 5-10 years have been passing a lot of ''tax relief'' on wealth. |
| 14:47.50 | grandma | hmm... testing or unstable for a desktop role? |
| 14:47.54 | Blissex | nvz: and they have even better plans to make the poor pay essentially all taxes. |
| 14:47.57 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is it possible to delete yourself from the system? Something like that: # sleep 10 && deluser <myuser> & and log out after lauching such command |
| 14:48.04 | nvz | grandma: neither? |
| 14:48.10 | Anthro | grandma: I use a testing/unstable mix, which has kept me pretty happy for a number of years. |
| 14:48.14 | Blissex | grandma: always stable with backports, if you have to ask the question. |
| 14:48.22 | grandma | i'm trying to decide |
| 14:48.34 | nvz | !IYHTAD |
| 14:48.58 | Gnea | grandma: unstable is probably better for now, testing has a lot of sharp edges right now |
| 14:49.27 | Anthro | Gnea: Er? I haven't noticed any sharp edges recently. Mind you, I think it's been a week or so since I upgraded. |
| 14:49.56 | nvz | Anthro: how do you type with those chainmail gloves on ;) |
| 14:50.10 | grandma | hmm |
| 14:50.10 | Gnea | Anthro: someone's always in here complaining about something being removed or some such |
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| 14:50.21 | And_rew | Gyes, anybody can help me ? =) |
| 14:50.31 | Gnea | !ask |
| 14:50.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:50.35 | grandma | how often do unstable upgrades break? |
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| 14:51.00 | Gnea | grandma: depnds on the system - i've noticed not as often as testing over the past year |
| 14:51.10 | grandma | hmm, ok |
| 14:51.14 | nvz | grandma: how often do birds shit on your car? |
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| 14:51.20 | Gnea | but it's a new year |
| 14:51.28 | Gnea | so it could flip around |
| 14:51.29 | And_rew | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.35 | nvz | grandma: depends on how often you park under trees or telephon lines doesnt it? |
| 14:51.40 | ZiDaNe | I have a problem with debian testing, my sound with an on-board VIA doesn't work |
| 14:51.46 | ZiDaNe | can anybody help me |
| 14:51.58 | Gnea | dunno much about setting those locales |
| 14:52.03 | ZiDaNe | I used alsaconf to search modules and without effect |
| 14:52.09 | xored | how to extract a "rar" archive under stable ? |
| 14:52.11 | Gnea | !tell ZiDaNe about ask |
| 14:52.14 | grandma | hrrm, i've always been wary of unstable...but i guess i'll give it a shot |
| 14:52.19 | grandma | about to rebuild my laptop |
| 14:52.20 | nvz | xored: unrar-nonfree |
| 14:52.33 | Gnea | grandma: laptop? hrmm.... what kind? |
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| 14:52.59 | caracara | hi |
| 14:53.02 | xored | nvz: where to get it, it seems not to be in my sources |
| 14:53.06 | nvz | caracara: hi cara^2 |
| 14:53.18 | grandma | compaq presario 2100...i'm already familiar with its quirks |
| 14:53.22 | grandma | and workarounds |
| 14:53.25 | nvz | xored: its in non-free |
| 14:53.27 | Gnea | cool |
| 14:53.31 | grandma | it has a polluted 2 year old suse on it |
| 14:53.33 | Nirgal | grandma: I advise against using unstable. Updates goes from unstable to testing in a matter of days usually (unless there's a good reason for them not to)! |
| 14:53.33 | Gnea | should be alright then |
| 14:53.57 | Gnea | polluted because it's 2 years old or polluted because it's suse? ;) |
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| 14:54.03 | grandma | well if it's only days, i don't need super bleeding edge |
| 14:54.08 | grandma | Gnea: both? heh |
| 14:54.13 | Gnea | LOL |
| 14:54.25 | xored | thank you |
| 14:54.30 | And_rew | It no in locale trouble.. don't set font ! |
| 14:54.32 | And_rew | in /etc/console-tools/config i write string SCREEN_FONT=Cyr_a8x16 |
| 14:54.33 | And_rew | and nothing =( |
| 14:54.35 | grandma | Gnea: i'm just in the mood to put debian on it and wipe my home clean, except for documents |
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| 14:55.14 | nvz | I would hypothesize that Cara*Cara=Cara |
| 14:55.21 | nvz | so Cara squared is just Cara |
| 14:55.27 | And_rew | Gnea: It no in locale trouble.. don't set font ! |
| 14:55.28 | And_rew | in /etc/console-tools/config i write string SCREEN_FONT=Cyr_a8x16 |
| 14:55.30 | And_rew | and nothing =( |
| 14:55.33 | Gnea | grandma: there may be some minor quirks with unstable - if you're down to help stamp out bugs and whatnot, then testing is the way to go, but if you can deal with things constantly moving, unstable is just fine |
| 14:56.14 | grandma | i've never used debian for desktop yet, heh |
| 14:56.20 | nvz | nothing better to do at 10am on a sunday with no money |
| 14:56.28 | Gnea | :) |
| 14:56.32 | grandma | both my pc and laptop are suse, using stable for servers though |
| 14:56.42 | Blissex | nvz: know the feeling too :-) |
| 14:57.06 | Gnea | grandma: you could try one, and if you don't like it, try the other one |
| 14:57.22 | nvz | the fucking power going out last night caused me to loose money |
| 14:57.23 | Gnea | the possibilities are endless, really |
| 14:57.40 | Gnea | nvz: oh? |
| 14:57.41 | grandma | Gnea: yea i know...i think i'll just stick with testing |
| 14:57.49 | grandma | i'm not that fast paced when it comes to updating constantly |
| 14:57.53 | nvz | I didnt get to work until like 1:30 maybe later |
| 14:58.04 | wuming | how can I know the system is sarge or woody? |
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| 14:58.14 | nvz | even after I woke up, its hard to get ready for work in the dark |
| 14:58.19 | blondie | wuming: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:58.28 | Gnea | grandma: right now's a good time for unstable, actually... but yeah, testing would be good enough :) |
| 14:58.31 | blondie | 3.0 is woody and 3.1 is sarge |
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| 14:58.39 | Nirgal | wuming: and check /etc/apt/ content |
| 14:58.40 | wuming | k, thx |
| 14:58.48 | Fluten | how can i reduce and raise my resolution in x while its running so that my screen just doesn't get smaller and then have to scroll around with the mouse to see things? |
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| 14:59.19 | grandma | Gnea: thanks for the input |
| 14:59.33 | Gnea | !beer blondie |
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| 14:59.38 | Gnea | grandma: :) |
| 14:59.46 | blondie | o.O |
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| 15:00.09 | Gnea | what, no like beer? |
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| 15:00.46 | user__ | what shoud i install to have startx command? |
| 15:01.08 | Fluten | xclients-base |
| 15:01.16 | nvz | who the hell needs startx :P |
| 15:01.17 | Gnea | xbase-clients |
| 15:01.28 | Fluten | i was close :) |
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| 15:01.32 | Gnea | :) |
| 15:01.43 | blondie | Gnea: not really :0 |
| 15:01.44 | R_engel | why old drupal in unstable ? |
| 15:01.49 | blondie | just surprised about it |
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| 15:02.01 | novice | hello |
| 15:02.06 | novice | I need to form samba in ubuntu |
| 15:02.16 | nvz | novice: #ubuntu |
| 15:02.20 | user__ | hanks |
| 15:02.21 | Gnea | blondie: it was a friendly gesture. perhaps i should go back to being an asshole... |
| 15:02.22 | novice | ok |
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| 15:02.35 | blondie | Gnea: nah that's ok :) |
| 15:02.40 | Gnea | :D |
| 15:02.45 | novice | join #ubuntu |
| 15:02.45 | Gnea | i don't like being an asshole anyway |
| 15:02.51 | user__ | i do need startx |
| 15:03.00 | grandma | oh crap...forgot about wireless |
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| 15:03.05 | Anyone | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 15:03.10 | Anyone | Except its all in stable now :-) |
| 15:03.16 | Gnea | grandma: should be fine with either |
| 15:03.29 | Anyone | Gnea, come on, its great fun, and you sleep bad. ;-) |
| 15:03.35 | grandma | it was a pain getting this wireless to work with suse |
| 15:03.42 | nvz | Anyone: hey, people are always asking for you in here.. they want to know if you use all these different programs.. |
| 15:03.58 | Anyone | nvz, yeah, and I only use a fraction of them! :-) |
| 15:04.05 | Gnea | Anyone: or if you know how to do this or that... ;) |
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| 15:04.09 | dannythm | hi there |
| 15:04.10 | grandma | mainly because this machine has IRQ problems...the machine just freezes |
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| 15:04.22 | grandma | as it boots, with the pcmcia card in |
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| 15:04.26 | dannythm | I just smashed my MBR but my partitions are fine |
| 15:04.27 | Gnea | Anyone: my sleep has been weird, lately... |
| 15:04.32 | Anyone | Gnea, Yeah .. granted, I do know some things about debian .. but I wouldn't know half of it. |
| 15:04.40 | dannythm | how I reinstall grub recovering my menu.lst? |
| 15:04.56 | Anyone | Gnea, are you running experimental, btw? |
| 15:04.57 | Gnea | dannythm: are you booted into it? |
| 15:05.08 | dannythm | Gnea, I'm into knoppix |
| 15:05.11 | Gnea | Anyone: naw i'm an unstable one |
| 15:05.16 | Anyone | danieldg, join #knoppix |
| 15:05.17 | nvz | Anyone: you cant run experimental |
| 15:05.21 | Gnea | Anyone: wait |
| 15:05.37 | Anyone | nvz, well, you can run unstable and get supplies from experimental ... |
| 15:05.37 | Gnea | dannythm: do you have the sfdisk command? |
| 15:05.51 | Anyone | nvz, you cannot run clean experimental - at least not yet :/ |
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| 15:05.56 | nvz | Anyone: yes.. you can run anything and get packages from experimental |
| 15:05.57 | dannythm | Gnea, yes |
| 15:06.17 | nvz | Anyone: experimental is not now nor will it ever be a debian distro |
| 15:06.39 | Anyone | !experimental |
| 15:06.39 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 15:06.48 | user__ | damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:06.58 | user__ | i have installed |
| 15:07.02 | user__ | xbase-xclients |
| 15:07.03 | nvz | Anyone: it doesnt contain enough packages to be an actual branch |
| 15:07.04 | zumbi | is there a way to check users on mysql ? my admin has created an account, but i'm not able to login |
| 15:07.05 | user__ | and now... |
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| 15:07.10 | user__ | startx complains about |
| 15:07.22 | Anyone | user__, reinstall, and use stable only, unless you have any reason to run testing or unstable. Any *good* reason, that is. |
| 15:07.30 | Anyone | nvz, true |
| 15:07.36 | user__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.42 | user__ | Anyone im using sarge |
| 15:07.46 | user__ | and some backports |
| 15:07.48 | Gnea | dannythm: what is it? /dev/hda? |
| 15:07.50 | Anyone | user__, apt-get install xserver-xf86 |
| 15:07.59 | nvz | user__: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 15:08.04 | Anyone | user__, xfree86, evne .. something like that. |
| 15:08.10 | dannythm | Gnea, wher I have the debian partiion? |
| 15:08.12 | nvz | user__: or x-window-system |
| 15:08.17 | Gnea | dannythm: yeah |
| 15:08.51 | user__ | nyz thanks |
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| 15:09.18 | user__ | why do i have to install xwindows in 3 steps |
| 15:09.24 | dannythm | Gnea, yes, in hda4 |
| 15:09.38 | user__ | it should be like, one cmnd and its done |
| 15:09.40 | nvz | user__: because you decliened to install it in one step using tasksel in the installer |
| 15:09.52 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, do you get a proper partition table readout with: fdisk -l /dev/hda ? |
| 15:10.02 | resiak | user__: `apt-get install x-window-system` installs the X Window System in one step. |
| 15:10.02 | user__ | nvz yes but thats because i did not want to use xfree |
| 15:10.08 | user__ | mhmmm.... |
| 15:10.10 | dannythm | yes, my partitions are ok |
| 15:10.19 | dannythm | I just smaseht the mbr installing OSx86 |
| 15:10.23 | user__ | than i was missing someting then |
| 15:10.24 | user__ | :) |
| 15:10.42 | Gnea | oh ok |
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| 15:11.05 | dannythm | Gnea, I just only need to reinstall grub and recover my boot sequence |
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| 15:11.27 | dannythm | Gnea, I did it anytime befoore, but I forgot how to do it n_nUu |
| 15:11.31 | user__ | okan |
| 15:11.32 | user__ | now its alive |
| 15:11.38 | nvz | weird.. these shorts I am wearing have a band of elastic inside them.. and they just stiched the material around it.. so the elastic is like not attached in any way |
| 15:11.40 | Gnea | dannythm: this is easy: e2fsck /dev/hda4 && mount -o rw /dev/hda4 /mnt && chroot /mnt && grub-install /dev/hda && exit && umount /mnt && reboot |
| 15:11.48 | seelen | any application for bandwidth control with web or GUI administration? |
| 15:11.51 | user__ | can anyone give me quick tip how to swich to 2.6 kernel? :P |
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| 15:12.03 | Nirgal | user__: installing x-window-system first would have automatically installed dependancies such as x-window-system-core and xbase-clients |
| 15:12.15 | user__ | Nirgal yeah now i know |
| 15:12.20 | asg | user__: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install a suitable kernel from the list presented) |
| 15:12.23 | dannythm | Gnea, ok, thanks!!! |
| 15:12.27 | Gnea | user__: apt-get install kernel-image-<version> |
| 15:12.33 | Gnea | :) |
| 15:12.57 | user__ | damn, they are all outdated |
| 15:13.09 | TBBle | user__: apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 15:13.18 | Gnea | 2.6.8 is the latest in sarge |
| 15:13.19 | user__ | TBBle right |
| 15:13.20 | Nirgal | user__: You can try the ugly "dselect" maybe to seek what you want? |
| 15:13.31 | Gnea | apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 15:13.39 | user__ | i'll probably compile my own kernel |
| 15:13.50 | Gnea | bed is sounding good |
| 15:13.52 | user__ | i need some aditional patches anyway |
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| 15:14.16 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 15:14.22 | Anyone | user__, not now .. I have to have coffee now |
| 15:14.44 | user__ | wha? |
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| 15:15.08 | dannythm | Gnea, uhh |
| 15:15.16 | Gnea | dannythm: ? |
| 15:15.17 | dannythm | the command chroot do not works |
| 15:15.25 | Gnea | ok |
| 15:15.27 | Gnea | df |
| 15:15.31 | Gnea | is /mnt showing up? |
| 15:15.39 | dannythm | Gnea, let's see |
| 15:15.55 | ribnitz | Looking for a qaint little (set of) application(s), that could do the following: Rip a CD to .flac format, then based from that flac create .ogg and .mp3 files, which have their id3 (or similar) tags correctly set. |
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| 15:16.28 | dannythm | Gnea, ohhhh, the partition is yet mounted on /mnt/hda3 (that was the debian partition) |
| 15:16.33 | cahoot | ribnitz: I'd say abcde |
| 15:16.40 | Gnea | dannythm: lol |
| 15:16.55 | beardy | ribnitz: Why not make the ogg and mp3 out of the ripped audio instead? |
| 15:16.56 | ribnitz | cahoot: that can laos be automated to to do that stuff? |
| 15:16.56 | user__ | whats the best place to add this: ifconfig eth0 hw ether ff.ff.ff.ff.ff.ff ? |
| 15:17.00 | Gnea | dannythm: make sure it's unmounted before fscking |
| 15:17.07 | Blissex | user__: 'man 5 interfaces' |
| 15:17.08 | dannythm | Gnea, but when I do grub-install /dev/hda it tells me the filesystem in read-only |
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| 15:17.17 | Gnea | !tell user__ about interfaces |
| 15:17.33 | Gnea | dannythm: yeah, you have to chroot to it |
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| 15:17.46 | Gnea | dannythm: are you root? |
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| 15:17.50 | dannythm | YES |
| 15:17.52 | ribnitz | beardy: The idea is to have .flacs for storage, and to create .oggs or .mp3s when I need it. Alas the .ogg format isnt that widely used in portable cd players. |
| 15:17.57 | dannythm | Gnea, yes |
| 15:17.57 | Gnea | ok, just making sur |
| 15:17.59 | user__ | Blissex yeah but i doubt debian supports changing mac adress at boot |
| 15:18.01 | Gnea | :) |
| 15:18.06 | beardy | ribnitz: Ah, ok. |
| 15:18.20 | dannythm | Gnea, i did fsckwhen it was mounted, that's bad? |
| 15:18.27 | Blissex | user__: actually you can specify that in '/etc/network/interfaces' |
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| 15:18.34 | Gnea | dannythm: uhm, yeah :/ |
| 15:18.39 | user__ | oh |
| 15:18.40 | ribnitz | beardy: so I basically need .flac for storage and playback and mp3 for playback when I am on the move |
| 15:18.45 | Gnea | dannythm: is it still running? |
| 15:18.52 | Blissex | user__: look at the 'pre-up' line |
| 15:19.09 | dannythm | Gnea, you meaning if I can still access to the partition? |
| 15:19.12 | Blissex | ribnitz: depends what you want to do, but that seems a good plan if you want perfect archival |
| 15:19.26 | Pedro420 | nvz: nandrew ? |
| 15:19.32 | dannythm | Gnea, I can acces the partition |
| 15:19.46 | Gnea | dannythm: if you've already tried to fsck, then it may have damaged it and you just don't 'see' that damage yet |
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| 15:20.04 | user__ | hmm |
| 15:20.06 | Gnea | dannythm: did you mount it to /mnt? |
| 15:20.11 | dannythm | Gnea, should I umount everything, then begin again from zero? |
| 15:20.13 | ribnitz | Blissex: Its mainly to be able to transfer the stuff to pc, and I dont have any storage porbs yet, so I dont see why I should compress lossily for storage only. |
| 15:20.17 | user__ | why page up/page duwn buttons don't work in man? |
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| 15:20.23 | dannythm | Gnea, it was mounted on /mnt/hda3 |
| 15:20.24 | grap | hi |
| 15:20.25 | Gnea | dannythm: yes. |
| 15:20.27 | Gnea | ok |
| 15:20.29 | ribnitz | user__: pipe through less |
| 15:20.40 | Gnea | anything mounted in /mnt should not be mounted |
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| 15:20.53 | dannythm | Gnea, now is umounted |
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| 15:20.57 | Gnea | now |
| 15:21.02 | Gnea | e2fsck /dev/hda3 |
| 15:21.13 | Gnea | and *hope* |
| 15:21.43 | dannythm | ohh |
| 15:21.54 | dannythm | Gnea, I made chroot on hda3 now |
| 15:22.05 | Gnea | er |
| 15:22.16 | grap | is there anyone from USA ? |
| 15:22.17 | Gnea | ok |
| 15:22.32 | Gnea | grap: that's a trick question, right? |
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| 15:22.37 | grap | XDDD |
| 15:22.51 | dannythm | Gnea, no error while doing the e2fsck whe it was umounted |
| 15:22.52 | beardy | grap: Perhaps, ask your question instead. |
| 15:22.57 | grap | i want to know what films do they see at the cinemas |
| 15:23.05 | Gnea | dannythm: good! |
| 15:23.10 | Gnea | grap: wrong channel. |
| 15:23.16 | Blissex | grap: about 300m people, and they got nuclear weapons :0-) |
| 15:23.18 | grap | i know |
| 15:23.20 | grap | where to |
| 15:23.23 | ribnitz | grap: DO the people from usa that now live in north korea, iran, and burma also count? |
| 15:23.25 | Gnea | not her |
| 15:23.27 | Gnea | here |
| 15:23.31 | Viper12 | grap, just go here: www.rottentomatoes.com and look at the "box office" section. That will tell you. |
| 15:23.32 | dannythm | Gnea, ooops, when I dd the grub-install |
| 15:23.39 | grap | ribnitz, dont think so |
| 15:23.40 | grap | XD |
| 15:23.41 | beardy | grap: Search for a film site on the web. |
| 15:23.52 | grap | Viper12, thanks |
| 15:23.55 | Viper12 | np |
| 15:23.57 | Gnea | dannythm: ? |
| 15:24.00 | dannythm | Gnea, it told me The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 15:24.29 | Gnea | dannythm: you running grub-install inside of the chroot, right? |
| 15:24.34 | dannythm | yes |
| 15:24.36 | Gnea | ok |
| 15:24.39 | dannythm | Gnea, yes |
| 15:24.44 | ribnitz | grap: what about those poor burmese that now wash plates in shabby ny neighborhood (aka. the american dream?) |
| 15:24.56 | Gnea | dannythm: grep boot /etc/fstab <-- any results? |
| 15:25.18 | kuja | Grr, )(*_()#) :( |
| 15:25.26 | dannythm | Gnea, nope |
| 15:25.31 | grap | ribnitz, whatever |
| 15:25.31 | user__ | reeeboot |
| 15:25.34 | kuja | Installing truetype fonts suck, in the masses. |
| 15:25.42 | Gnea | kuja: #$$**..$$#? |
| 15:25.51 | kuja | For every truetype font installed, the font cache is regenerated :( |
| 15:26.04 | Blissex | kuja: naaaaa, it is very easy, if you know the infinitely many annoying details :-) |
| 15:26.33 | kuja | =P |
| 15:26.33 | dannythm | Gnea, no results |
| 15:26.41 | Gnea | dannythm: ls -l /boot/grub/stage* |
| 15:26.43 | Nirgal | user__: I fixed that one with creating a file named /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz, but there's a better "debian way" I guess :) |
| 15:27.06 | kuja | `apt-get install ^ttf-` takes about 2 minutes to download every truetype font in all my sources but takes like 1 hour to install them :O |
| 15:27.11 | dannythm | Gnea, yeah, there are 2 files |
| 15:27.22 | Gnea | dannythm: which 2? |
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| 15:27.37 | dannythm | Gnea, stage1 and stage2 |
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| 15:28.02 | Gnea | dannythm: hrm - what about: ls -l /lib/grub/i386-pc/stage* ? |
| 15:28.08 | dannythm | Gnea, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 512 2006-01-08 16:24 /boot/grub/stage1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 108168 2006-01-08 16:24 /boot/grub/stage2 |
| 15:28.16 | ribnitz | Why is gnome and KDE so bloaty?-takes forever to download, and I am only using the libs.. |
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| 15:28.34 | clojster | is there any way to undelete files deleted with MC? |
| 15:28.39 | Gnea | ribnitz: they are gnome and kde. 'nuff said |
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| 15:29.00 | Blissex | ribnitz: GNOME is more bloaty than KDE, and both are bloaty because they do a _lot_ of stuff. Just icons and internationalization take a lot of space. |
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| 15:29.12 | dannythm | Gnea, 3 files, the same 2 and one called stage2_eltorito |
| 15:29.30 | ribnitz | clojster: thats a filesystem issue, not an MC issue. In short: no, unless you want to go to great pains. |
| 15:29.32 | dannythm | Gnea, with is equal to the stage2 one |
| 15:29.46 | Gnea | dannythm: ah ha - now: md5sum /boot/grub/stage2 && md5sum /lib/grub/i386-pc/stage2 do the results match? |
| 15:30.15 | clojster | ribnitz: okay then... I have reiserfs |
| 15:30.29 | clojster | ribnitz: oh no... fat32 |
| 15:30.30 | dannythm | Gnea, yes |
| 15:30.36 | Gnea | !reiserfs |
| 15:30.36 | dpkg | i heard reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 15:30.43 | dannythm | Gnea, the md5sum matches |
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| 15:31.19 | ribnitz | clojster: fat32 can be handled by a simple windows/dos undelete (eg. from freedos?) |
| 15:31.19 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, how about if you type grub by itself, does it toss you to a grub> prompt? |
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| 15:31.30 | britt | !seen Flimzy |
| 15:31.30 | dpkg | flimzy is currently on #debian (11h 59m 40s). Has said a total of 227 messages. Is idling for 7h 21m 53s |
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| 15:31.46 | dannythm | Gnea, yes |
| 15:31.51 | britt | Flimzy: are you there? |
| 15:32.12 | dannythm | Gnea, I got the grub> prompt |
| 15:32.21 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, you should be able to set: root (hd0,2) |
| 15:32.51 | Gnea | dannythm: then find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 15:32.54 | Gnea | any errors? |
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| 15:33.40 | dannythm | Gnea, where I find it? in the console I presume |
| 15:33.52 | Gnea | dannythm: at grub> root (hd0,2) |
| 15:33.59 | Gnea | grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 15:34.05 | Gnea | does that work? |
| 15:34.16 | Gnea | simple yes or no |
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| 15:34.20 | dannythm | Gnea, yes |
| 15:34.23 | Gnea | now |
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| 15:34.30 | Gnea | grub> setup (hd0) |
| 15:34.33 | Gnea | any error? |
| 15:34.56 | dannythm | Gnea, nope |
| 15:35.02 | dannythm | Gnea, ^_____^ |
| 15:35.06 | Gnea | good |
| 15:35.08 | Gnea | :D |
| 15:35.12 | Gnea | exit, quit |
| 15:35.17 | Gnea | exit the chroot |
| 15:35.24 | Gnea | and reboot |
| 15:35.28 | dannythm | ok |
| 15:35.31 | dannythm | many many thanks!!! |
| 15:35.39 | Gnea | np |
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| 15:36.09 | grap | too much thanks XD |
| 15:36.16 | seelen | I need asolution for bandwidth control (small ISP) |
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| 15:36.20 | Gnea | pardon? |
| 15:37.27 | seelen | ???? |
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| 15:38.13 | Tortel | yarr |
| 15:38.33 | Gnea | seelen: google |
| 15:38.43 | gaz | anyone recommend a good cd/dvd burning tool like windows's nero? |
| 15:38.55 | Gnea | k3b |
| 15:39.08 | grap | k3b - gnome-baker |
| 15:39.33 | gaz | ty |
| 15:39.37 | seelen | Gnea, yes google ... I need your experience !! not the google database |
| 15:39.55 | grap | uo |
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| 15:40.27 | Gnea | seelen: you think my exprience is free?! |
| 15:40.30 | superlinux | hi all |
| 15:40.41 | seelen | Gnea, no |
| 15:40.44 | Gnea | ... |
| 15:40.48 | grap | Gnea, it shoud be so |
| 15:40.59 | Gnea | grap: shut up. |
| 15:41.01 | grap | XD |
| 15:41.09 | superlinux | the fonts of my gnome apps are too small when i run them from kde, what to do? |
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| 15:41.10 | Nirgal | seelen: see private dpkg answer |
| 15:41.12 | Gnea | piece of shit. |
| 15:41.25 | grap | only a piece? |
| 15:41.29 | yanmorin | hi, how do you ask to add a package to debian repository? |
| 15:41.32 | grap | i want to be the whole one |
| 15:41.52 | superlinux | the window title and the menus and other stuff |
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| 15:42.02 | Anthro | Note to self: keep an eye on the spam bucket after subscribing to a new mailing list. Oops. |
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| 15:42.07 | beardy | !beer Gnea |
| 15:42.20 | Gnea | :) |
| 15:42.22 | grap | !owned beardy |
| 15:42.29 | Gnea | ok, bedtime |
| 15:42.47 | beardy | grap: go away |
| 15:42.52 | grap | whY? |
| 15:42.59 | grap | im a good man |
| 15:43.07 | grap | i have not hurted anyone |
| 15:43.15 | grap | just having fun together |
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| 15:43.50 | marc_in_lux | when I do a telinit 1, can I make it to automatically run a script that does some activity and then goes back to runlevel 2? |
| 15:43.53 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is it possible to extract the files from a deb manually ? |
| 15:44.03 | paivakil | lord_rob: yes |
| 15:44.09 | beardy | marc_in_lux: Why? That doesn't make sense. |
| 15:44.14 | lord_rob | how ? |
| 15:44.18 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.21 | ribnitz | is the 2.6.14 (prebuilt-debian) kernel fixed yet? |
| 15:44.30 | marc_in_lux | beardy, I want to run a pvmove on unmounted volumes |
| 15:44.32 | cheal | ribnitz: ? |
| 15:44.41 | marc_in_lux | without 'walking over' to the machine |
| 15:44.45 | nvz | marc_in_lux: you could probably put it in inittab, but its still a serious security problem |
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| 15:44.47 | grap | so bye |
| 15:44.51 | grap | cya people |
| 15:44.54 | marc_in_lux | so I need to get into runlevel 1 to do it |
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| 15:45.25 | lord_rob | paivakil: how do I do that ? |
| 15:45.27 | superlinux | the fonts of my gnome apps are too small when i run them from kde, what to do? |
| 15:45.28 | nvz | marc_in_lux: root passwd is required in keyboard-interactive mode to enter runlevel 1 |
| 15:45.31 | beardy | marc_in_lux: Why not unmount the things you need unmounted, do what you need, and the mount them again? |
| 15:45.35 | marc_in_lux | nvz, where's the security flaw? |
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| 15:45.41 | nvz | marc_in_lux: root passwd is required in keyboard-interactive mode to enter runlevel 1 |
| 15:45.49 | marc_in_lux | beardy, because the things I need unmounted are /var and /usr |
| 15:45.50 | ribnitz | cheal: I(t used to be broken like 2 weeks ago. |
| 15:46.00 | ribnitz | as in not being able to boot. |
| 15:46.13 | beardy | marc_in_lux: pvmove? |
| 15:46.20 | nvz | marc_in_lux: you need to be physically at a machine anyhow.. you cannot do something that requires root and not see the output |
| 15:46.33 | nvz | marc_in_lux: it may fail or need user interaction |
| 15:46.46 | marc_in_lux | it's a gamble, nvz - if it works out, I don't need to go there ;-) |
| 15:46.56 | paivakil | lord_rob: ar |
| 15:47.08 | lord_rob | ok thanks |
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| 15:47.15 | nvz | marc_in_lux: `this operation could take a long time too. and you have no way of knowing if its even working |
| 15:47.26 | marc_in_lux | or, can i stay in runlevel 2 and unmounting /usr and /var? |
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| 15:47.35 | cheal | ribnitz: so what, you're not aware there's a BTS? |
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| 15:48.02 | indian | hi |
| 15:48.07 | beardy | marc_in_lux: What is "pvmove"? |
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| 15:48.32 | marc_in_lux | pvmove is the lvm method of transferring filesystems from one disk to another |
| 15:48.43 | beardy | Ok |
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| 15:49.12 | marc_in_lux | which, sadly, fails with an Oops when the filesystem is accessed |
| 15:49.25 | beardy | marc_in_lux: How often do you have to that? |
| 15:49.28 | marc_in_lux | http://pastebin.ca/36114 |
| 15:49.28 | utf8-ulo | hi, I have defined en_US.UTF-8/Compose by eo_XX but my system use /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/C/Compose howcan happen? how make that work? |
| 15:49.31 | beardy | to do |
| 15:49.45 | wishkah | I installed Debian from CD, then the machine reboots. I chroot into the set up Debian system, what is the binary to run to finish the HDD-only setup? (don't ask why I do it this way pls) |
| 15:49.59 | marc_in_lux | beardy, not everyday. |
| 15:50.04 | marc_in_lux | but often enough... |
| 15:50.10 | wishkah | e.g. the setup from CD is finished, but the setup is not 100% complete (download packages etc.) |
| 15:51.08 | nvz | wishkah: base-config |
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| 15:52.05 | nvz | wishkah: and its a script not a binary |
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| 15:52.11 | beardy | marc_in_lux: Anyway, runlevel requires you to be at the machine, as nvz said. You have to give it root's password. |
| 15:52.13 | lord_rob | I cannot install xserver-xorg-6.9.0-dfsg.1-2, dpkg complains "unable to create `./usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so': No such file or directory" any idea how to solve the problem ? |
| 15:52.16 | wishkah | nvz: thx |
| 15:52.18 | nvz | wishkah: also debian only hdd installs, its not a live distro |
| 15:52.20 | britt_ | Flimzy: are ya there...it all works now. Real funky. |
| 15:52.29 | marc_in_lux | beardy, I see... |
| 15:52.59 | beardy | marc_in_lux: runlevel 1 (I'm to soft on the keys.. :) ) |
| 15:52.59 | marc_in_lux | I wonder if I could run ssh or telnet or something there... |
| 15:53.31 | beardy | marc_in_lux: You still have to give it root's password. |
| 15:53.42 | marc_in_lux | beardy, fine with that bit, actually |
| 15:53.58 | marc_in_lux | It's just the getting there that I want to do without... |
| 15:54.22 | beardy | marc_in_lux: Ok, so you just want to run a script, after you physically typed root's password at the machine? |
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| 15:54.47 | marc_in_lux | beardy, not physically. |
| 15:54.51 | beardy | marc_in_lux: Ok, how long is it there? |
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| 15:55.14 | utf8-ulo | lord_rob: how I are installing? |
| 15:55.25 | marc_in_lux | beardy, that depends on where I am :-) |
| 15:55.34 | beardy | marc_in_lux: :) |
| 15:55.41 | utf8-ulo | lord_rob: how You are installing? |
| 15:56.53 | utf8-ulo | lord_rob: "dpkg -i"? try "aptitulte install xserver-xorg" |
| 15:56.53 | beardy | marc_in_lux: You could perhaps experiment with stopping daemons, to stop the disk activity in the places you need quiet, and run the script, then start up things again. |
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| 15:57.36 | beardy | marc_in_lux: But that's perhaps not enough though, but worth trying first. |
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| 15:57.44 | jake | hi, is there a way i can get a list of what apt-get packages ive installed? |
| 15:58.06 | marc_in_lux | yes... beardy, yes... my problem right now is that means of connectivity (ssh) is within the places I need quit. |
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| 15:58.56 | nvz | jake: dpkg --get-selections, or dpkg -l | egrep ^.i |
| 15:59.18 | jake | thankyou nvz |
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| 15:59.34 | nvz | the latter is more specifically what you asked for |
| 15:59.48 | nvz | but the former is in useful format for backups |
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| 16:00.05 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 16:00.37 | Fox_1_ | where is the kde's root directory in debian 3.1?? |
| 16:00.59 | beardy | marc_in_lux: I don't think you can come around the fact that you need to enter the password physically though.. |
| 16:01.01 | nvz | Fox_1_: wtf are you talking about? |
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| 16:01.08 | resiak | Fox_1_: / |
| 16:01.22 | marc_in_lux | I see, beardy... I wonder how people doing colocation do that...? |
| 16:01.29 | nvz | Fox_1_: the root directory is always / |
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| 16:01.52 | bcc | what's the difference between /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog ? |
| 16:02.23 | nvz | bcc: the former is the kernel message log, and the latter is the system log |
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| 16:02.57 | utf8-ulo | hi, I have defined en_US.UTF-8/Compose by eo_XX but my system use /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/C/Compose howcan happen? how to fix it? |
| 16:02.57 | Fox_1_ | :))) |
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| 16:03.19 | Fox_1_ | nvz, resiak KDE's installation root directory:) |
| 16:03.26 | bcc | nvz: i see. what's kern.log for? |
| 16:03.31 | nvz | Fox_1_: / |
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| 16:03.34 | bcc | i thought that was for kernel messages |
| 16:03.44 | nvz | Fox_1_: ffs, things dont install into c:\Program Files on linux |
| 16:03.51 | resiak | Fox_1_: / |
| 16:04.00 | beardy | marc_in_lux: If you have another machine near it, from which you can have a serial cable to the runlevel 1 box, you could do it over a serial line, (in for example minicom). I guess they do it that way or similar. |
| 16:04.03 | nvz | Fox_1_: documentation goes in /usr/share/doc, configuration goes into /etc/ |
| 16:04.13 | nvz | Fox_1_: each part of the package is installed into a different place |
| 16:04.33 | nima | apache2 is on crack |
| 16:04.53 | Fox_1_ | i don't know, look here: http://home.gna.org/ksirk/ksirk-kde-documentation/compilation.html |
| 16:04.58 | oracle_ | the fonts of my gnome apps are too small when i run them from kde, what to do? i cant force them |
| 16:05.03 | marc_in_lux | beardy, good idea. |
| 16:05.06 | beardy | marc_in_lux: That's how I'd do it anyway.. |
| 16:05.11 | marc_in_lux | is there a howto for that around...? |
| 16:05.19 | nvz | Fox_1_: are you trying to compile a kde app? |
| 16:05.38 | Fox_1_ | yes |
| 16:05.43 | nvz | Fox_1_: this has nothing what so ever to do with debian or kde. you are looking for the kde headers |
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| 16:06.33 | nvz | Fox_1_: install the kde -dev packages you need and look at the output of dpkg -L libkfoo-dev to see where they are kept |
| 16:08.28 | Fox_1_ | ok |
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| 16:10.27 | lord_rob | utf8-ulo: that's what I am doing, aptitude downloads the packages, resolves the dependancies but dpkg has to install the package when everything is downloaded |
| 16:10.42 | beardy | marc_in_lux: You really only need a serial cable (aka null-modem cable) and uncomment a line in /etc/inittab, and have console on serial line configured in your kernel, the stock kernels should have that. Look at /etc/inittab, near the bottom "# Example how to put a getty on a serial line (for a terminal)" uncomment the line below it, and perhaps configure it to suit your terminal program. (Mine on a box here is "T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 1920 |
| 16:11.48 | nvz | beardy: I've never done that, but are you sure you could use that on runlevel 1? |
| 16:12.02 | nvz | beardy: for normal runlevels I wouldnt doubt it.. but for runlevel 1, I do |
| 16:13.58 | beardy | nvz: Yes, I think so. If the kernel has support for console on serialport (I don't remember the exact wording, and no kernel-source installed at the moment..) |
| 16:14.17 | utf8-ulo | lord_rob: "aptitude -f install" try it |
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| 16:14.47 | nvz | beardy: I've never done that serial terminal.. so I dont know whats involved.. but you have to remember runlevel 1 is killing off things and it is single user.. so could you still facilitate that connection |
| 16:14.48 | sphenxes | I am the only user of my computer and would like to read and write on my mounted windows files in fstab. i have done a lot of combination but haven't successed. last, /dev/hda6 /windows/e vfat uid=100,gid=1000,umask=0002 0 0. but not working. any suggestion please |
| 16:14.56 | beardy | nvz: But some doubts about it I have also.. |
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| 16:16.38 | nvz | sphenxes: /dev/hda6 /media/windows vfat uid=1000,gid=1000,umask... |
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| 16:16.48 | nvz | sphenxes: the uid=100 looks suspicious |
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| 16:17.06 | sphenxes | nvz,sorry uid=1002 gid=100 |
| 16:17.16 | nvz | sphenxes: and mounting things to /media/ is good becuase desktop environments respect that now.. it will make it appear on your desktop when you mount it |
| 16:17.38 | beardy | nvz: I don't want to reboot the box I could try it on.. :) |
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| 16:17.45 | ocp | nvz, could you help me ? |
| 16:18.02 | nvz | ocp: umm.. no. |
| 16:18.14 | nvz | I have no fucking clue what you need help with |
| 16:18.29 | ocp | nvz, i use gnome |
| 16:18.38 | nvz | congratulations. |
| 16:18.40 | beardy | marc_in_lux: A getty on a serial line is a good thing to have anyway, so you could try? |
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| 16:18.49 | ocp | nvz, it doesnt start after my debian is loaded |
| 16:19.07 | ocp | nvz, dunno how to launch it automaticly |
| 16:19.10 | nvz | ocp: install gdm and tell it you want it to autologin your user |
| 16:19.15 | marc_in_lux | yes... I'm just thinking about if I still have one of this usb to serial adapters around and if debian would work with that |
| 16:19.18 | nvz | ocp: using gdm-setup |
| 16:19.32 | ocp | nvz, thankx |
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| 16:20.25 | indian | during the xorg install the `make includes' command returns an error message `no rule to make target `/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/includes/stddef.h', `needed by makestrs.o'.' how can i solve this? |
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| 16:20.47 | user__ | what device should i use for mouse in xorg.conf |
| 16:20.53 | user__ | i tried /dev/mouse but |
| 16:20.58 | user__ | my cursor dons't move |
| 16:21.01 | resiak | !devinputmice |
| 16:21.03 | nima | how do i change which virtualhost is default with apache 2.0.54? |
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| 16:21.12 | nvz | indian: thats off-topic here. building xorg has nothing at all to do with debian |
| 16:21.15 | user__ | !devinputmice |
| 16:21.17 | resiak | user__: /dev/input/mice, if you're using 2.6 |
| 16:21.22 | ribnitz | user__: same as before? (/dev/input/mice, /dev/psaux,...) |
| 16:21.30 | user__ | well |
| 16:21.35 | user__ | i had some stange issues |
| 16:21.38 | indian | nvz: sorry |
| 16:21.40 | user__ | everyting worked fine |
| 16:21.45 | user__ | untill i installed firefox |
| 16:21.59 | user__ | i ran it and my system crashed |
| 16:22.09 | resiak | !tell user__ -about enter |
| 16:22.21 | kyncani | !tell indian about get xorg |
| 16:22.41 | beardy | marc_in_lux: But hmm, that is irrelevant for what you want.. What you need (to try at least) is console on serial line configured in your kernel, and minicom running on the other machine when you go to runlevel 1. |
| 16:22.46 | user__ | bloodly bots |
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| 16:22.59 | ribnitz | how do I get xmms to play .flac files? |
| 16:23.10 | wishkah | !tell wishkah about get enlightenment |
| 16:23.19 | nvz | ribnitz: install a flac input plugin |
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| 16:23.21 | beardy | ribnitz: xmms-flac, is my guess at the plugins name |
| 16:23.25 | nvz | wishkah: heh, nice try. |
| 16:23.38 | jberg | when i start debian and it tries to bring up the network it says "DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 10" a few times, and then "failed to bring up eth0". any ideas? |
| 16:23.42 | wishkah | nvz: damn :) |
| 16:23.49 | nvz | wishkah: use /msg dpkg instead of ! when asking it a question that doesnt involve other people |
| 16:23.52 | marc_in_lux | beardy, sorry, didn't get that. In order to try it out, I need a physical serial cable going from that computer to another one. And for that I need a serial adapter. |
| 16:24.03 | nvz | wishkah: however there isnt a factoid "get enlightenment |
| 16:24.13 | nvz | wishkah: apt-get install enlightenment |
| 16:24.18 | beardy | marc_in_lux: a normal serialport on both machines, yes |
| 16:24.21 | user__ | blah |
| 16:24.22 | user__ | reboot |
| 16:24.23 | wishkah | actually I was not talking about the window manager :) |
| 16:24.29 | kyncani | jberg: mmh, there is no functionnal dhcp server on eth0 ? |
| 16:24.44 | marc_in_lux | beardy, yes... I don't have a serial port on this computer. Only USB. |
| 16:24.46 | jberg | kyncani, i don't know? |
| 16:24.56 | marc_in_lux | so I need the usb-to-serial converter to try |
| 16:24.58 | jberg | it has worked before, but now it doesn't |
| 16:25.09 | nvz | wishkah: I take it that was some kind of sarcastic joke that nobody got then |
| 16:25.46 | kyncani | jberg: you have only one eth* interface ? you do not have some eth1 ? |
| 16:26.07 | kyncani | jberg: do you still have network connectivity ? |
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| 16:26.16 | nvz | marc_in_lux: thats funny |
| 16:26.18 | jberg | i don't have eth1 i think |
| 16:26.24 | nvz | marc_in_lux: USB _is_ a serial port |
| 16:26.29 | jberg | kyncani, hmm not sure |
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| 16:26.39 | beardy | marc_in_lux: Then it's not that easy (if one considers that nothing is impossible). |
| 16:26.43 | marc_in_lux | nvz - yes. but it's not an RS232 :-) |
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| 16:26.50 | beardy | nvz: It's not a ttySn device. |
| 16:26.53 | nvz | marc_in_lux: that can be arranged |
| 16:26.57 | nvz | beardy: ^ |
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| 16:27.01 | marc_in_lux | with a hammer... ? |
| 16:27.03 | marc_in_lux | ;-) |
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| 16:27.10 | nvz | marc_in_lux: with an adapter |
| 16:27.11 | wishkah | nvz: yes, kidding :) |
| 16:27.16 | kyncani | jberg: is the nerwork still working ? can you access google ? |
| 16:27.19 | virus | HELP - I just upgraded from postgresql-8.0 to postgresql-8.1 and it didn't migrate my DB - in fact it even deleted the old database instead of leaving it there as I said when installing postgresql-8.0 |
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| 16:27.35 | nvz | marc_in_lux: they also make USB null modems |
| 16:27.42 | zumbi | dondelelcaro: do you know if apache::gallery runs over apache 2 ? |
| 16:27.52 | marc_in_lux | nvz - wasn't aware of that... |
| 16:27.56 | nvz | marc_in_lux: in addition to a slew of different USB-to- other port converters |
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| 16:28.02 | beardy | nvz: How do you plan on getting that working in runlevel 1, and even before the password prompt? |
| 16:28.08 | nvz | marc_in_lux: you can get anything on usb, printer port, ps2 port.. |
| 16:28.12 | nvz | beardy: heh |
| 16:28.21 | ribnitz | thanks, xmms-flac solved the issue |
| 16:28.26 | nvz | beardy: _I_ didnt figure it would work regaurdless |
| 16:28.30 | jberg | kyncani, i can from other machines yes. but not from this one |
| 16:28.50 | virus | *panicking* |
| 16:29.12 | beardy | nvz: You mean not work as I said? |
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| 16:29.36 | resiak | virus: Do you run Sid? |
| 16:29.40 | virus | no |
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| 16:29.57 | resiak | !info postgresql-8.0 sarge |
| 16:29.59 | virus | It's sarge and I just upgraded from the sarge postgres 8.0 to etch postgres 8.1 |
| 16:30.02 | kyncani | jberg: well, all i can say is that your dhcp server is not responding, may be some misconfiguration or some hardware problem, like a cable pb between computer and dhcp server |
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| 16:30.06 | nvz | beardy: I dont really know anything about it.. just seems strange to be able to do anything remotely on runlevel 1 |
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| 16:30.10 | virus | !info postgresql-8.0 sarge |
| 16:30.16 | beardy | nvz: I think it will. (But the enabling of a getty in /etc/inittab was unecessary to mention in this case, though it's still nice) |
| 16:30.18 | resiak | !+info postgresql-8.0 sarge |
| 16:30.20 | dpkg | Package 'postgresql-8.0' does not exist. |
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| 16:30.39 | resiak | !info postgresql sarge |
| 16:30.43 | dpkg | postgresql: (object-relational SQL database management system), section misc, is optional. Version: 7.4.7-6sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3705 kB, Installed size: 9580 kB |
| 16:30.55 | resiak | That doesn't look like 8.0 to me. You used an unofficial package... |
| 16:31.10 | beardy | nvz: You just get the output in a terminal emulator over the serial line instead of on the screen. |
| 16:31.25 | virus | mmmh, not sure if it ever was in sarge - I remember installing it from sarge or sid in the first instance, but purging my database... erm, that really never happened to me in any debian package so far. :( |
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| 16:31.45 | beardy | nvz: But, I'll let you know how it works for me, when I reboot. (if I remember it) |
| 16:31.52 | nvz | heh |
| 16:32.19 | jberg | kyncani, i replugged the cable and rebooted, that solved it :) |
| 16:32.23 | nvz | !info postgresql |
| 16:32.29 | dpkg | postgresql: (object-relational SQL database management system (transitional)), section misc, is optional. Version: 7.5.15 (sid), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 16:32.36 | ribnitz | [ERROR] abcde: The following commands failed to run: |
| 16:32.37 | ribnitz | tagtrack-flac-3: returned code 1: metaflac --no-utf8-convert --import-tags-from=- /home/robert/musik/test/abcde.4411fc06/track3.flac |
| 16:32.49 | resiak | Hah, it's not even in sid. |
| 16:32.50 | ribnitz | what package am I missing? |
| 16:32.50 | nvz | yep, its not in debian at all it seems |
| 16:33.09 | ^autlaw | hi all, can someone help me plz, my samba doesnt work and i think its not because of my samba configuration... there is something like "pen_oplock_ipc: Failed to get local UDP socket for address 100007f. Error was Cannot assign requested address " in the logs and i'm not able to ping localhost on the server, bust ftp works, just samba makes problems :/ here is a thread in german where i descibed the prblem, i hope someone can help me -> |
| 16:33.10 | virus | resiak: the package is called differently in SID |
| 16:33.34 | resiak | Okay, point taken. |
| 16:33.50 | virus | resiak: postgresql-8.0 and postgresql-8.1 |
| 16:33.52 | kyncani | jberg: must have been the cable then :) |
| 16:33.56 | resiak | virus: Have you checked the BTS? If not, you should do, and you should probably report a bug. |
| 16:34.01 | nvz | !info postgresql-8.0 |
| 16:34.06 | dpkg | postgresql-8.0: (object-relational SQL database, version 8.0 server), section misc, is optional. Version: 8.0.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3886 kB, Installed size: 11604 kB |
| 16:34.13 | nvz | !info postgresql-8.1 |
| 16:34.19 | dpkg | postgresql-8.1: (object-relational SQL database, version 8.1 server), section misc, is optional. Version: 8.1.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4121 kB, Installed size: 12128 kB |
| 16:34.36 | virus | that's really getting me down - it was just one forum, but a quite big private one. oh dear. :-/ |
| 16:35.09 | nvz | hmmm how many fucking versions of postgresql do we need in one branch?! |
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| 16:35.10 | resiak | nvz: 3 |
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| 16:35.25 | nvz | one to shit one, one to cover it up with, and one to index the whole proceedure? |
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| 16:36.08 | nvz | s/shit one/shit on/ |
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| 16:36.21 | pawdro | how to change theme in gnome? |
| 16:36.25 | nvz | wtf, who turned that on |
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| 16:36.37 | nvz | well obviously it was... |
| 16:36.40 | nvz | apt, who owns you |
| 16:36.41 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 16:36.44 | nvz | none other than |
| 16:37.20 | nvz | he probably wanted ibot or someone to do that, and didnt consider what it would do to a channel like this |
| 16:37.44 | nvz | he doesnt seem to be in here. but I bet I know where to find him |
| 16:37.47 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Quick question: The debian firefox package uses this simple-looking globe as the icon instead of the firefox-hugging-the-globe one. Is it included there too? if not, why? |
| 16:38.33 | nvz | Jimmymaniac: yes its included.. |
| 16:38.51 | beardy | Jimmymaniac: Is that really worth caring about? But probably yes. |
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| 16:39.19 | Jimmymaniac | beardy: is not really important, but i do like better the official one :) |
| 16:39.43 | Jimmymaniac | nvz: looking for it on the package... |
| 16:39.46 | ribnitz | Jimmymaniac: It will probably be included, if its free enough. |
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| 16:40.49 | twb` | For a given package X available from several sources in my source list, how do I find out what version each source provides? |
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| 16:41.01 | setog3 | Is it a tool with gui like synaptic , that will help you to know wich package you don't use , and can easly remove this , I want something to clean my debian package , remove all that I don't need.. any idea ? |
| 16:41.03 | foo | kweather requires some type of METAR code. - what is this? |
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| 16:41.24 | neenee | setog3: hm.. i do not know if debfoster has a frontend |
| 16:41.33 | kingmike | Hi ! I'm working on a laptop and I've just found an old crt screen at home. Is it possible to watch a movie (or anything else) on it, and do something else on my main screen ? If it is, how'd you do it ? |
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| 16:41.42 | neenee | setog3: er, graphical interface i mean |
| 16:42.15 | twb` | kittenbot: google for "xinerama" and "multi-head" |
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| 16:42.29 | setog3 | ok neenee thx, I go to try this |
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| 16:42.55 | kittenbot | twb`: *meow* |
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| 16:43.07 | on1009 | hi, iam trying to setup openmosix but the kernel-patch in debian is only for 2.4.22 kernels while i run 2.4.27 any hints? |
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| 16:43.21 | zumbi | dondelelcaro: solved |
| 16:43.22 | twb` | kittenbot: you need to have two VGA/DVI ports (obviously), and to tell X to use both of them (/etc/X11/xorg.conf or XF86Config-4) |
| 16:43.45 | nvz | Jimmymaniac: hmm.. its not in there.. I thought that was just the gnome icon.. I swear I had it before |
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| 16:43.54 | neenee | setog3: good luck =] |
| 16:44.38 | Kovecses | sarge is the man |
| 16:44.58 | on1009 | plus i cant find the debian sources for 2.4.22 |
| 16:45.30 | Kovecses | on1009, openmosix requires a certian kernel? |
| 16:46.04 | on1009 | Kovecses, openmosix is a kernel extension and thus needs to be patched in |
| 16:46.11 | Kovecses | Jimmymaniac, what icon you looking for |
| 16:46.18 | Kovecses | on1009, oh I see |
| 16:46.35 | nvz | Jimmymaniac: ask Eric Dorland eric@debian.org |
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| 16:46.45 | Kovecses | on1009, what does it do? |
| 16:46.47 | nvz | Jimmymaniac: I am curious about this now too |
| 16:46.55 | Jimmymaniac | Kovecses: the official one, of the firefox hugging the globe, instead of the plain simple-looking globe included as default on the debian package |
| 16:47.00 | on1009 | Kovecses, turns your network into something loke a supercomputer |
| 16:47.12 | on1009 | x/loke/like |
| 16:47.18 | nvz | Jimmymaniac: maybe the art work has a non-dfsg liscence :P |
| 16:47.21 | Kovecses | Jimmymaniac, its not in /usr/share/pixmaps |
| 16:47.38 | Kovecses | Jimmymaniac, also if you change your icon theme those icons will change |
| 16:47.46 | nvz | Jimmymaniac: or maybe eric got tired of mozilla-* changing its name and icon so much |
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| 16:47.58 | nvz | Kovecses: its not in the package at all.. I checked |
| 16:48.07 | XTL | Hmm.. I wonder if the openssi people are claiming that openmosix is obsoleted by their stuff |
| 16:48.12 | Kovecses | nvz, the firefox package |
| 16:48.29 | nvz | Kovecses: duh.. thats where the icon would/should be |
| 16:48.33 | XTL | Haven't gotten around to running either more than momentarily a fair while ago. |
| 16:48.35 | takatumi | nvz: vaguely remember some license issues, *shrug* |
| 16:48.38 | on1009 | the recent release of openmosix is for 2.4.26 kernel but in debian there is no such kernel |
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| 16:48.43 | Jimmymaniac | maybe, yes, if the icon is not free it wouldn't be touched by the package, true... |
| 16:48.48 | nvz | takatumi: thats what I was thinking |
| 16:49.06 | nvz | takatumi: Eric Dorland would know. |
| 16:49.14 | Kovecses | nvz, what firefox package? Because I certainly got an icon with mine |
| 16:49.39 | nvz | ii mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge3 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
| 16:49.44 | on1009 | Kovecses, can i use my debian kernel config on the standart kernel-tree? |
| 16:49.55 | nvz | Kovecses: and we are talking _the_ mozilla firefox icon, not _a_ mozilla firefox icon |
| 16:50.17 | Kovecses | nvz, i understand buddy .. im not stupid |
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| 16:51.34 | Kovecses | XTL, yeah lightweight seemed funny to me too |
| 16:52.01 | XTL | Kovecses: I guess it used to be or at least phoenix used to be. Lighter than stock mozilla. |
| 16:52.14 | pipeline | XTL: Heh, the early versions were "lightweight" compared to mozilla. That is no longer true :\ |
| 16:52.19 | Kovecses | on1009, im really not sure |
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| 16:52.35 | Kovecses | i like firefox 1.5 |
| 16:52.37 | nvz | they are trying to illistrate that its just a web browser.. doesnt have an internet radio, a file browser, desktop environment..etc like MSIE |
| 16:52.39 | on1009 | ok thx |
| 16:52.51 | Kovecses | or konqueror |
| 16:53.02 | Jimmymaniac | well, it is much lighter than ie, that's correct |
| 16:53.02 | nvz | right |
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| 16:55.20 | Jimmymaniac | There! now it's better :) |
| 16:55.24 | nvz | thats pretty ignorant though if there is some lisc restrictions on the icon.. |
| 16:55.42 | Kovecses | well firefox is open source right? |
| 16:55.54 | Kovecses | i couldnt imagine restrictions on the icon |
| 16:55.59 | ribnitz | Kovecses: I wish it was that simple. |
| 16:55.59 | nvz | thats like debian making the debian logo restricted |
| 16:56.07 | Kovecses | damn politics |
| 16:56.16 | DocTomoe | nvz: well, debians logo *is* restricted. |
| 16:56.21 | Kovecses | i love the good ole debian logo |
| 16:56.33 | pipeline | MSIE doesn't have an internet radio, desktop environment, or file browser, as much as Microsoft protests that it does. |
| 16:56.37 | XTL | Hope for the death of permission culture. |
| 16:56.51 | pipeline | Also, mozilla is awful. |
| 16:56.53 | pipeline | Avoid if possible. |
| 16:57.08 | nvz | DocTomoe: oh? |
| 16:57.26 | Kovecses | pipeline, what browser do you use? |
| 16:57.29 | DocTomoe | nvz: http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 16:57.37 | pipeline | Kovecses: Mozilla . Much hate. |
| 16:57.46 | nvz | DocTomoe: is someone going to sue me for stirring milk into coffee cause it looks like a debian logo? heh |
| 16:58.04 | DocTomoe | nvz: well, you always can give it a try, can´t you? |
| 16:58.25 | Jimmymaniac | nvz: yeah, 4 tough-looking guys in suits and sunglasses will go to your home :) |
| 16:58.30 | DocTomoe | nvz: actually, debian tends to be rather restrictive on the "official" jin-like logo |
| 16:59.20 | nvz | DocTomoe: yeah I was talking about just the free-use red swirl |
| 16:59.32 | DocTomoe | nvz: it is not really free-use ;) |
| 16:59.40 | nvz | Jimmymaniac: they can watch me install windows over debian :P |
| 17:00.15 | Kovecses | nvz, dont say that |
| 17:01.16 | nvz | Kovecses: hey if they are gonna sue me over poured milk, fuck em |
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| 17:01.29 | Kovecses | nvz, i highly doubt they would |
| 17:01.33 | nvz | no kidding |
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| 17:01.51 | Kovecses | streamtuner is a cool app |
| 17:02.01 | ribnitz | here's some stats. FLAC is like 40M for a given file, mp3 and ogg are at like 4MB |
| 17:02.32 | Kovecses | but which one sounds better? |
| 17:02.54 | pipeline | Kovecses: FLAC will always, in theory, sound better, as it contains all information that the original track did. |
| 17:03.10 | ribnitz | Kovecses: Bitrates of FLAC are like a factor 7-8 higher. also FLAC is lossless (the L).. |
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| 17:03.13 | pipeline | Kovecses: In reality, MP3 encoded correctly will be indistinguishable to you, and the Ogg won't be much worse. |
| 17:03.16 | XTL | pipeline: who says raw digitization sounds better than filtered? ;) |
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| 17:03.20 | merscan | Hello |
| 17:03.29 | pipeline | XTL: I don't understand. |
| 17:03.40 | ribnitz | FLAC is just for archival, if I lose the CD: |
| 17:03.55 | pipeline | heh, I encode to FLAC immediately and just chuck the CD. |
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| 17:03.58 | pipeline | What am I going to do with a CD? |
| 17:04.17 | XTL | I have other things. Anyway, flac for lossless-worship, ogg is better than mp3 always ime/imo. mp3 was a crap format from the start. |
| 17:04.31 | nvz | my senses all have a sample rate.. so I dont need raw input.. I can have sampled input |
| 17:04.37 | ribnitz | pipeline: I have a piortable CD player that also plays mp3, but mp34 playing is a battery drain. |
| 17:04.54 | pipeline | ribnitz: Portable CD players are too bulky / fragile anyway :| |
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| 17:05.28 | nvz | but they are still the cheapest portable music players on the market for the ammount of music they can hold |
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| 17:05.43 | ribnitz | pipeline: Well, those small MP3/OGG players are still way too expensive, esp. in decent capacity |
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| 17:06.09 | nvz | however the cost of ownership is higher as the media is usually single-write and it requires more power thus costs more |
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| 17:06.35 | nvz | and since its more fragile you could go through them quicker |
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| 17:06.39 | Guerin | ribnitz: bah. I have a 30G which plays mp3, wma, ogg vorbis, flac, txt, jpg and some avi; it's USB mass storage and cost me under $300 |
| 17:06.48 | abarbaccia | hey guys - i need help formating a USB disk to fat32 |
| 17:06.54 | Woody^working | I do "apt-get update" and get this: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures co uldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D 230C5F |
| 17:06.55 | pipeline | ribnitz: No moving parts. |
| 17:06.57 | abarbaccia | I don't know how to do it from the linux command line - can someone help |
| 17:07.03 | pipeline | nvz: I meant that the player itself is fragile. |
| 17:07.08 | pipeline | abarbaccia: You have to install the dosfs utils |
| 17:07.15 | nvz | pipeline: thats what I am talking about |
| 17:07.22 | bbrazil | Woody^working: /topic |
| 17:07.23 | Guerin | abarbaccia: mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 or whatever |
| 17:07.23 | Woody^working | I have the "GPGV" configuration in /etc/apt/apt.conf , but this still doesn't work |
| 17:07.27 | paces | test |
| 17:07.36 | jbroome | paces: yup |
| 17:07.44 | ribnitz | pipeline: Its sufficiently low cost to not matter. |
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| 17:08.11 | hiwk | Woody^working: I have the exact same problem |
| 17:08.15 | pipeline | ribnitz: Well, the recent revolution in hard-drive mp3 players means that flash players go for peanuts on ebay. Definitely worth looking into before sinking 25$ into your next walkman. |
| 17:08.26 | nvz | you can get an mp3/cd player for less than $50 .. and you can even sometimes get them with memory cards in addition to the cd |
| 17:08.34 | pipeline | ribnitz: On that note, I also prefer tapes to CDs. More trouble to write, but so much less trouble to use. |
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| 17:08.58 | ribnitz | pipeline: "tapes" as in "audio-casette"? |
| 17:09.04 | odla | how do i invoke ksynaptics? |
| 17:09.05 | Kovecses | tapes to cds.... that insane |
| 17:09.07 | Woody^working | bbrazil: thanks |
| 17:09.15 | odla | i've tried ksynaptics and man ksynaptics...nothing |
| 17:09.18 | Woody^working | hiwk: You were able to get around this ? |
| 17:09.22 | pipeline | ribnitz: Indeed. |
| 17:09.32 | bbrazil | hiwk: /topic |
| 17:09.55 | ribnitz | pipeline: Did that too. until I found the random-acccess feature of the cd useful, or the shuffle play. |
| 17:09.56 | hiwk | bbrazil: no, that does not apply |
| 17:09.56 | pipeline | ribnitz: Much less bulky than a CD player. No skipping. The portable players are moderately durable. |
| 17:10.13 | grandma | damnit, i knew i would forget something reinstalling... forgot to save my emails, bah |
| 17:10.19 | ribnitz | pipeline: Indeed, they are "built like taks". |
| 17:10.22 | pipeline | ribnitz: I thought portable CD players were awesome at first, because CD-Rs were so much cheaper than blank tapes. I was so miserably wrong :( |
| 17:10.24 | ribnitz | er tanks |
| 17:10.35 | hiwk | bbrazil: the secure-testing.debian.net passes the gpg check, but our main rep does not |
| 17:11.03 | Kovecses | pipeline, blank tapes are still pretty cheap though |
| 17:11.07 | hiwk | Woody^working: no, but I am begining to think it is ftp.se.debian.org rather than us |
| 17:11.08 | ribnitz | pipeline: I play like 30-40 US cents per CD-R (if bought in a volume of 50-100 each) |
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| 17:11.16 | bbrazil | hiwk: there's an option you can put in apt.conf to disable the check, I don't know about signing archives though |
| 17:11.19 | pipeline | ribnitz: 30-40c a CD-R? That's ridiculous. |
| 17:11.28 | pipeline | ribnitz: I refuse to pay more than 20c a disc. |
| 17:11.34 | Woody^working | hiwk: No I don't think so |
| 17:11.43 | Kovecses | the cheap cd's suck though |
| 17:11.52 | ribnitz | pipeline: WWEll we have a tax on each blank medium here... |
| 17:11.53 | Woody^working | What ports have to be open to receiv the key ? |
| 17:12.01 | pipeline | Kovecses: CD-Rs are a commodity. You have no way of knowing who produced them when you buy them. |
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| 17:12.17 | pipeline | Kovecses: Five cases from one brand may be from ten different companies. |
| 17:12.29 | pipeline | ribnitz: Ooh, burn. |
| 17:12.36 | ribnitz | At the moment, my Verbatims say Fuji.. |
| 17:12.41 | hiwk | Woody^working: but you got the secure-testing.debian.net to clear, right? |
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| 17:13.28 | Kovecses | i only buy blank dvd's now anyway |
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| 17:13.33 | nvz | I never noticed that about cds.. goes to look at his cdrs |
| 17:13.41 | Woody^working | hiwk: I got what ? |
| 17:13.43 | vook | anyone know how to disable tap/click functionality in a touchpad and/or reduce it's sensitivity? My touchpad is overly sensitive and interprets the slightest touch to be a click. |
| 17:13.45 | Woody^working | oh |
| 17:13.52 | Woody^working | No, I got ftp.de.debian.org |
| 17:13.54 | Kovecses | sarge is very fast |
| 17:14.16 | nvz | mine jsut say TDK |
| 17:14.50 | Woody^working | bbrazil: thx for help |
| 17:14.51 | pipeline | nvz, Kovecses, ribnitz : You have to look at the ATIP codes to find the actual manufacturer. |
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| 17:15.13 | hiwk | Woody^working: did the instructs in topic help you? |
| 17:15.14 | nvz | pipeline: you mean by putting them in the pc? |
| 17:15.54 | pipeline | nvz: I think you can also decode the numbers written in tiny text on the inner ring of the disc to get the manufacturer. |
| 17:15.55 | ribnitz | Kovecses: for moving around data I use CD-RWs or DVD-RWs. |
| 17:15.56 | ^autlaw | is it possible to recreate a file witch i deleated with "rm" ? |
| 17:16.08 | pipeline | ^autlaw: Unless a program still has the file open, you're hosed. |
| 17:16.24 | ^autlaw | its the smb.conf |
| 17:16.26 | ^autlaw | :( |
| 17:16.42 | Woody^working | hiwk: Yes |
| 17:16.43 | takatumi | vook: synaptics? |
| 17:16.48 | ribnitz | ^autlaw: usually painstaiking, depends on underlying filesystem, fat32 is easy, ext2 can be done with moderate effort. |
| 17:16.52 | Woody^working | hiwk: It works by now |
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| 17:17.06 | pipeline | ^autlaw: If you --purge and reinstall the package, you'll get the default file back. |
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| 17:17.45 | hiwk | Woody^working: ok, I think I fucked up the versions of the key, got it working with http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc |
| 17:17.55 | hiwk | so I'm fine now |
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| 17:18.02 | vook | takatumi: I think it's alps |
| 17:18.11 | Woody^working | hiwk: What do you have in your apt.conf file ? |
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| 17:18.38 | Woody^working | GPGV { TrustedKeyring "/etc/apt/trusted.gpg"; }; |
| 17:18.57 | Woody^working | Or something simular to that in any case |
| 17:18.59 | takatumi | vook: there's a package called tpconfig also http://www.tctwest.net/~mlewis00/XF86Config-4.synaptics might help. |
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| 17:19.14 | vook | takatumi: thanks, I'll check it out |
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| 17:19.24 | stegbth | guten abend |
| 17:19.25 | hiwk | Woody^working: I have the se.debian and the secure-testing |
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| 17:19.28 | stegbth | sorry |
| 17:19.29 | ribnitz | Ok: toals of FLAC: 512M, MP3: 71M, ogg: 61M |
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| 17:19.38 | hiwk | Woody^working: but no GPGV line |
| 17:20.09 | Woody^working | hiwk: it isn't important what server you use for getting your packages or sources ^^ |
| 17:20.35 | Woody^working | hiwk: Read /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ |
| 17:20.41 | nvz | Woody^working: sure it is. |
| 17:20.45 | hiwk | Woody^working: yes, it works now |
| 17:20.52 | Woody^working | And get the key from a keyserver |
| 17:21.03 | Woody^working | nvz: Are you sure ? |
| 17:21.08 | nvz | Woody^working: positive. |
| 17:21.22 | nvz | Woody^working: you dont consider geograpical location or bandwidth when choosing a mirror? |
| 17:21.28 | nvz | I sure do |
| 17:21.44 | Woody^working | I did this on 3 computer now and I never used a different key and one comp each for stable, testing, unstable and all use different locations of getting the packages |
| 17:21.46 | Kovecses | AHHHH my cat just friggin puked on my keyboard |
| 17:22.13 | Woody^working | nvz: Well yes, but all of mine are in germany :-) |
| 17:22.15 | nvz | Kovecses: damn, I never heard that one before. I've heard stuck in the printer |
| 17:22.30 | Jimmymaniac | heh |
| 17:22.32 | nvz | Woody^working: or right, and germany is a 1.2sq meter country :P |
| 17:22.35 | Kovecses | my cats getting old and pukes alot |
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| 17:22.56 | Woody^working | nvz: lol I agree with that |
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| 17:23.11 | nvz | I dont really know, I was being sarcastic |
| 17:23.23 | Kovecses | he puked in my girlfriend purse yesterday |
| 17:23.26 | Bucciarati | Kovecses: apt-get upgrade will give you a newer version of ``cat'' |
| 17:23.30 | Woody^working | nvz: But I just tried an american server and I didn't notice any speed differences |
| 17:23.36 | Kovecses | Bucciarati, lol |
| 17:23.51 | nvz | Kovecses: sounds to me like more than old age.. puking is one thing.. but puking in these strange locations sounds like its intentional |
| 17:23.53 | Woody^working | lol |
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| 17:23.57 | nvz | Kovecses: maybe he doesnt like you guys |
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| 17:24.09 | Kovecses | lol ..... he sleeps with us every night |
| 17:24.16 | Woody^working | apt-get --purge remove cat |
| 17:24.21 | nvz | Kovecses: just so he doesnt have to go far to puke on you |
| 17:24.26 | Kovecses | lol |
| 17:24.29 | nvz | heh |
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| 17:24.46 | rvalles | Kovecses: poor kitty |
| 17:24.55 | rvalles | Woody^working: evil |
| 17:24.57 | Kovecses | i'll bbl ... gonna play some tce |
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| 17:25.12 | nvz | Kovecses: maybe you are not feeding it right. is it like pure hairballs or puking up food? |
| 17:25.32 | Kovecses | nvz, its food... weve been trying different brands |
| 17:25.34 | Woody^working | rvalles: Well, if my cat would puke on my keyboard I would kick it out of my house |
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| 17:26.12 | Kovecses | bbl |
| 17:26.13 | nvz | Woody^working: at least until it caught you a new keyboard and dragged it home :P |
| 17:26.15 | Kovecses | tce time |
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| 17:26.57 | Woody^working | nvz :-) |
| 17:27.12 | rvalles | Woody^working: people like you just should not have a cat. |
| 17:27.31 | rvalles | Woody^working: if I lived with you and puked on your keyboard, you'd kick me out? just over a keyboard? |
| 17:27.47 | Woody^working | rvalles: I had a cat and it killed all the birds in my garden, so I kicked it out |
| 17:27.52 | Bucciarati | rvalles: it's in coreutils :) |
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| 17:28.21 | rvalles | Woody^working: why did you have a cat in the first place? |
| 17:28.22 | Bucciarati | you just cannot avoid having a cat |
| 17:28.23 | nvz | rvalles: I'd kick you out before a cat.. yeah.. you have enough sense to puke on the desk or somewhere thats easier to clean |
| 17:28.25 | rvalles | senseless. |
| 17:28.37 | rvalles | nvz: yeah, I guess you understand |
| 17:28.52 | drivamgr2006 | Woody^working: just be thankful you don't have my dog then... you woud have strung it up by now!!! Mine is a Jack Russell Terrier, which used to be used for killing rats... It now does the same in my garden, and leaves the buggers on my doorstep! |
| 17:29.05 | rvalles | nvz: then again, if I puked on the keyboard, it would be a matter of it coming out and me being unable of doing anything about it |
| 17:29.13 | cronic | Hey guys, I need a little assistance. My MBR died on my server, and I dont have a boot disk to re-run lilo. I need to know how to use lilo off another linux hard drive to recreate the MBR on the main HDD. (now HDB1) |
| 17:29.14 | uberdragon | hello guys.. how do I backup agpgart so I can try and install the Intel 82865G Video chipset (which claims I need to use its version of agpgart) |
| 17:29.26 | rvalles | nvz: on the cat, it would be either that, or her lack of understanding of what's easier to clean |
| 17:29.39 | cronic | I know I can use -r to use the 2nd mounted HD as root, but I need to specify that device as well. |
| 17:29.45 | ribnitz | How hard is it to write a shell script, that goes over a number of folders, and if the mp3 folder in the folder does not exist, and there are mp3 files, it all moves them to the newly created mp3 folder? (same for ogg and flac?) |
| 17:29.58 | nvz | I am a cat lover, but the puking in the keyboard would really rub me the wrong way.. but I would try figure out whats wrong with the cat that its puking all the time, and maybe feed it some bismuth subalicylate |
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| 17:30.01 | Woody^working | drivamgr2006: When I work I don't need cats or dogs in my rooms. And there are 2 dogs in this house |
| 17:30.02 | rvalles | nvz: this is also why a cat is more likely to do it on the keyboard; and I'm willing to forgive both a cat and a person over puking over a keyboard |
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| 17:30.42 | bbrazil | ribnitz: shouldn't be too hard |
| 17:30.57 | bbrazil | ribnitz: however your spec is flawed |
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| 17:31.09 | drivamgr2006 | My dog has to stay with me. I cant leave her alone, since she has seizures Woody^working - otherwise she'd be in her basket rather than sleeping on the floor of my office. |
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| 17:31.43 | ma3x | is there some nice channel for chat? |
| 17:31.49 | nvz | seems seizures isnt all that uncommon among dogs |
| 17:31.51 | Woody^working | drivamgr2006 :-) |
| 17:32.03 | nvz | ma3x: #freenode |
| 17:32.04 | ribnitz | nvz: it isnt among humans either. |
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| 17:32.17 | nvz | ribnitz: I've never had one :P |
| 17:32.26 | nvz | though I know lots of people with dogs that have had them |
| 17:32.28 | drivamgr2006 | its odd ribnitz - my dog is epileptic, and i have been since birth... |
| 17:32.29 | ribnitz | nvz: Neither did I. |
| 17:32.39 | nvz | well actually I probably have. just never noticed it really |
| 17:32.52 | m0dY | hello all,,, got a weired problem that my debian doesn't read my total ram as i have 4x512mb similar kingston ram chips and it only reads the total ram as 885 !!!!??? |
| 17:33.16 | centrx | m0dY, You can explicitly specify the amount of RAM you have with a kernel option |
| 17:33.20 | ribnitz | drivamgr2006: Dnt be ashamed about it. Mozart was, Napoleon was, Julius Cesar was... |
| 17:33.23 | m0dY | ? |
| 17:33.27 | m0dY | in grub ? |
| 17:33.30 | drivamgr2006 | nvz, you would be highly unlikely to notice anyhow. Others round you are more likely to notice. It was my brother who noticed I was. |
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| 17:33.33 | centrx | m0dY, yes |
| 17:33.42 | m0dY | how ?! |
| 17:34.04 | bbrazil | m0dY: i386? |
| 17:34.13 | m0dY | yup,, |
| 17:34.24 | bbrazil | m0dY: you need a kernel with HIMEM support |
| 17:34.30 | m0dY | debian:~# uname -a |
| 17:34.31 | m0dY | Linux debian.home.station 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:34.50 | drivamgr2006 | ribnitz, I'm not ashamed of it... Its just kind of annoying. Falling down a flight of stairs and breaking 8 bones when you just stepped out of the bathroom, but you dont remember taking a bath is wierd...it messes with yer head. |
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| 17:35.22 | m0dY | yeah i think it's something with the kernel as also my SMP processor isn't regularly read... |
| 17:35.27 | ribnitz | drivamgr2006: UI heard there was (sometimes) a warm fuzzy feeling so people knew it coming. I also think it can be treated quite well.. |
| 17:35.33 | bbrazil | m0dY: eh, I don't know what that is off the top of my head. you'll probably need to recompile |
| 17:35.56 | m0dY | well,, do i have to do it manually ? |
| 17:36.05 | uberdragon | anyone know how to backup agpgart? I'm trying to update my video drivers but want to backup the debian installed agpgart before I try this intel install |
| 17:36.05 | bbrazil | !kp |
| 17:36.06 | dpkg | i guess kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 17:36.10 | m0dY | or is there any clear auto-option ? |
| 17:36.28 | bbrazil | m0dY: just copy the current config, and alter just that option |
| 17:36.33 | fantomas | Hi. How to type char by code (say, 0x02) in MC's internal editor? |
| 17:36.36 | drivamgr2006 | Some people do get a warning ribnitz - some feel light headed, others get a taste like they are sucking nails... i get no warning at all, and although i have medication, its not always effective. |
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| 17:37.34 | m0dY | ok is it necessary for it to be the same 2.6.8 debian kernel or just get my self the latest one from kernel.org ? |
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| 17:37.43 | tapas | hi |
| 17:37.49 | bbrazil | m0dY: latest should work fine |
| 17:37.53 | tapas | W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 17:37.56 | tapas | do i need to worry? |
| 17:37.57 | centrx | m0dY, i would stick with the 2.6.8 one you have now for the least possibilities for problems |
| 17:38.02 | nvz | speaking of cats, mine is up there laying on that blanket I put on the floor.. cats are so easy to please. I could tell the way she was sitting next to the heater (that was off) that she wanted something warm to lay on |
| 17:38.03 | tapas | [apt-get update that is] |
| 17:38.05 | bizkit | !tell tapas about 2006 key |
| 17:38.13 | tapas | bizkit: thanks |
| 17:38.16 | bbrazil | m0dY: but you'll have to keep it up to date yourself |
| 17:38.19 | ribnitz | !tell me about 2006 key |
| 17:38.21 | m0dY | centrx: well that's what i was thinking about |
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| 17:38.52 | m0dY | so i go search for it's source or is there any place on the debian site i could get the original based one from ? |
| 17:39.01 | bbrazil | m0dY: should be in your /boot |
| 17:39.18 | m0dY | the src? |
| 17:39.24 | bbrazil | m0dY: the .config |
| 17:39.26 | m0dY | how ? :D |
| 17:39.45 | bbrazil | m0dY: source is at kernel.org |
| 17:39.47 | centrx | m0dY, To install the source, do: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 17:39.50 | m0dY | nop,, i mean the kernel's source debian is delivering with it's 3.1 distro |
| 17:40.02 | centrx | bbrazil, it would be best to stick with the source from debian, the same source that his current kernel was comipled from |
| 17:40.21 | centrx | m0dY, and also do: apt-get install build-essential |
| 17:40.25 | m0dY | centrx: yeah,, being downloaded now |
| 17:40.29 | centrx | m0dY, to ensure that you have the appropriate tools to build it |
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| 17:40.36 | m0dY | build-essentials !!? |
| 17:40.39 | drivamgr2006 | I need to get hold of a channel which deals with gimp... I tried the one on here and in 40 minutes, no one has answered... |
| 17:40.45 | m0dY | aha,, for recompilation |
| 17:40.47 | centrx | m0dY, you can wait until it finishes downloading to do that, yes |
| 17:40.48 | ke6isf | m0dY: Yes, build-essentials. Stuff you need to compile stuff. |
| 17:40.57 | drivamgr2006 | just need some help. |
| 17:40.58 | user__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.14 | ribnitz | that frament (2006 keys should perhaps be appended with \ at line ends, then you can simply paste. |
| 17:41.18 | m0dY | yeah |
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| 17:41.32 | drivamgr2006 | that's compiled, and it means to get the code to a program, user__ and build it yourself. |
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| 17:41.50 | centrx | user__, When a computer program is written by a person, it is usually written in a language that is more abstract, at a higher-level, and more English-like, than the language that the computer can process |
| 17:41.52 | m0dY | but the weirdy thing is that i have another 3gb ram dual xeon and it's correctly read by it self |
| 17:42.00 | m0dY | without an smp or a highmem kernel |
| 17:42.02 | ke6isf | user__: what happens to source code when it's made into an executable binary. |
| 17:42.20 | user__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.22 | bbrazil | m0dY: its probably using amd64 |
| 17:42.29 | centrx | user__, So when a program is written by the programmer, it is then compiled in order to turn it into the language the computer can process, there are also some other steps in that conversion, but compiling is a major one |
| 17:42.30 | drivamgr2006 | back in a short short... |
| 17:42.34 | m0dY | bbrazil: nop |
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| 17:42.47 | bbrazil | m0dY: thats really, really odd |
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| 17:42.56 | m0dY | yup |
| 17:42.59 | m0dY | weirdy thing |
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| 17:43.14 | m0dY | user__: can't understand compilation in even a month :) |
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| 17:43.41 | ke6isf | Wow, 800 in the channel. |
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| 17:44.15 | m0dY | so any body here tried nf-Hipac before ?? |
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| 17:45.18 | m0dY | The performance of nf-HiPAC is nearly independent of the number of rules. nf-HiPAC with thousands of rules still outperforms iptables with 20 rules. |
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| 17:45.46 | pipeline | m0dY: News flash: iptables sucks ass. |
| 17:45.50 | miriam | hello , is there someone who can help me to install debian testing in my powerbook plis |
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| 17:46.30 | centrx | miriam, Yes, if you have any questions along the way, just ask |
| 17:46.31 | uberdragon | anyone know how to backup agpgart? I'm trying to update my video drivers but want to backup the debian installed agpgart before I try this intel install |
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| 17:46.58 | miriam | i have been searching for last versions but my computer doesn't accept them |
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| 17:47.37 | miriam | those versions have not the kernel needed for th powerbook 5,8 |
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| 17:48.59 | nvz | miriam: did you d/l the ppc installer? |
| 17:49.15 | miriam | yes i did |
| 17:49.17 | Blissex | miriam: installing 'testing' should be done only if you know very well how the packaging system works.... |
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| 17:49.48 | miriam | in fact, i D/l some yet, ubuntu doesn't work, debian neither |
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| 17:50.02 | centrx | miriam, what happens, what error messages when you try to install? |
| 17:50.07 | nvz | miriam: and what went wrong? |
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| 17:50.31 | miriam | the installation doesnt recognize the devices |
| 17:50.32 | marculix | miriam: I booted afaik a benh kernel from http://www.ppckernel.org on my PowerBook G4 |
| 17:50.55 | nvz | miriam: which devices? the disk controller? |
| 17:50.56 | crypt-ex | Can anyone recommened any CD/DVD burning software, like Nero? |
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| 17:51.04 | nvz | crypt-ex: k3b |
| 17:51.10 | ribnitz | crypt-ex: k3b. |
| 17:51.17 | crypt-ex | ;) |
| 17:51.21 | miriam | Blisset, are u talking about apt? |
| 17:51.22 | crypt-ex | thanks |
| 17:51.28 | ribnitz | crypt-ex: will install a few kde libs though. |
| 17:51.57 | miriam | nvz, the harddisk, either the dvd lector |
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| 17:52.03 | nvz | crypt-ex: its got that candied nero-like interface you are looking for though |
| 17:52.17 | crypt-ex | no problem... KDE is installed on this machine |
| 17:52.30 | crypt-ex | thanks all :) |
| 17:52.31 | uberdragon | ls |
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| 17:52.40 | uberdragon | mt ^^ lol |
| 17:52.43 | miriam | i investigated and it is because of the kernel |
| 17:52.52 | ribnitz | nvz: Do you know of any other noteworthy ones? gcombust, xcdroast? |
| 17:52.55 | nvz | miriam: there is #debian-ppc which is a specific channel for debian on ppc as well.. might look into that |
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| 17:53.10 | nvz | ribnitz: none with as pretty of an interface. |
| 17:53.10 | miriam | thx |
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| 17:53.41 | nvz | ribnitz: gcombust works well, but its interface would confuse the shit out of your average nero user |
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| 17:53.54 | ribnitz | nvz: Any alternatives to cdrecord(-prodvd)? |
| 17:54.01 | nvz | no idea |
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| 17:54.38 | ribnitz | nvz: Win XP can now write files to CD itself, so no need for nwero any more. |
| 17:55.01 | nvz | ribnitz: so does nautilus. |
| 17:55.16 | nvz | ribnitz: but thats only data tracks |
| 17:55.37 | ribnitz | nvz: You are not supposed to burn music, are you? |
| 17:55.44 | azeem | ribnitz: huh? |
| 17:55.49 | nvz | ribnitz: I'd recommend CdburnerXP or whatever to windows users.. decent freeware |
| 17:56.26 | nvz | ribnitz: http://www.cdburnerxp.se/ |
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| 17:57.48 | bizkit | is there a workaround for tcp wrappers to be able to use dyndns hosts with no matching RDNS entry? using bla.dyndns.org in hosts.allow doesn't work, since it's not pointing to the ip of the connecting machine, but his identblabla.some-provider.com. any ideas? |
| 17:58.53 | ribnitz | nvz: really looks great, I will have a look at it. |
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| 17:59.12 | nvz | ribnitz: its awesome for an alternative to the commercial ones |
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| 17:59.24 | reaper | how come when i install tomcat5 it doesnt install an init script? |
| 17:59.33 | reaper | i had one until i reinstalled it |
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| 18:00.11 | karrot-x | i've hosed my system some how, i come back this morning and no commands will execute; i forgot the error; so i restarted and now i get a kernel panic |
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| 18:00.36 | raden | karrot-x, backup reinstall |
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| 18:00.53 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:01.12 | karrot-x | the exact error is: http://pastebin.com/496619 |
| 18:01.18 | Kovecses | karrot-x, sarge |
| 18:01.36 | karrot-x | well it was a unstable then i dist-upgraded to sarge |
| 18:01.46 | BlackJudas | Using hotplug on boot (screw udev :/) and I need a module that's being loaded to have an option added to it (it's detecting the wrong tuner), I can't remember where to do this... so I'm asking where I need to add the tuner=2 option to have it applied on each bootup. |
| 18:01.49 | Kovecses | karrot-x, you mean downgraded |
| 18:01.51 | nvz | I generally like to keep /home on a separate partition and backup dpkg --get-selections and /etc there so that if something goes wrong doing a reinstall isnt that painful |
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| 18:02.18 | karrot-x | Kovecses: possibly; it was unstable and didnt recieve an update since july of 2004 |
| 18:02.33 | stefan_ | I've got a problem.. On my debian system, when I mount an usb storing device my mouse hang up. anybody got an idea, I think this is a regular problem.. |
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| 18:03.00 | Kovecses | karrot-x, yeah i think a fresh sarge install is in order |
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| 18:03.07 | karrot-x | damn |
| 18:03.12 | karrot-x | this is a production server for me |
| 18:03.15 | Padnah | I would like recommendations from the Debian packages for an FTP client for KDE. Which FTP client would have a GUI interface for the desktop? |
| 18:03.31 | karrot-x | i'll have to do a lot of backing up :/ |
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| 18:03.54 | BlackJudas | karrot-x, I haven't read back, but have you thought about upgrading to sarge first? |
| 18:03.56 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 18:04.02 | nvz | Padnah: kbear is the only highly relevant hit I see for KDE and FTP |
| 18:04.04 | solemnwarning | how can i setup dual monitors? |
| 18:04.08 | karrot-x | BlackJudas: i did upgrade to sarge |
| 18:04.09 | solemnwarning | debian stable |
| 18:04.10 | BlackJudas | Change your sources to point to a sarge repo and go from there. |
| 18:04.23 | karrot-x | i think the upgrade to sarge is what hosed this |
| 18:04.24 | BlackJudas | karrot-x, oh my bad then. I'll read back. |
| 18:04.25 | Kovecses | BlackJudas, i think he may have done that |
| 18:04.41 | karrot-x | i tried chroot'ing in knoppix thinking that it's an initrd problem |
| 18:04.49 | karrot-x | or maybe even an fstab mounting issue |
| 18:04.50 | Kovecses | karrot-x, why were you using unstable as a server? |
| 18:04.51 | karrot-x | but i can't chroot |
| 18:05.11 | karrot-x | Kovecses: originally wasn't a server, but i closed my company down and moved everything back onto this box |
| 18:05.29 | stefan_ | any ideas about mouse that hang up when mounting a usb-storage device/mp3-player? |
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| 18:05.56 | Padnah | nvz, I will give kbear a look. Thanks the reply. |
| 18:05.59 | nvz | stefan_: is it a usb mouse? |
| 18:06.06 | stefan_ | yes |
| 18:06.19 | karrot-x | anyone have any ideas other than fresh install? |
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| 18:06.23 | nvz | stefan_: did you check dmesg to see if something wicked happened? |
| 18:06.33 | Kovecses | karrot-x, you may be able to chroot from a livecd |
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| 18:06.49 | karrot-x | Kovecses: ya i'm trying that in knoppix, but it says /bin/bash permission denied |
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| 18:07.19 | stefan_ | nvz: no, I've kinda new with debian.. but I think this is a common problem.. but how do I check dmesg? |
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| 18:07.36 | nvz | stefan_: its not at all a common problem |
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| 18:07.53 | nvz | stefan_: type dmesg, or read /var/log/dmesg |
| 18:07.57 | stefan_ | okej |
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| 18:08.24 | nvz | stefan_: its likely a bug somewhere in the usb controller, device, or driver. |
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| 18:08.40 | karrot-x | hmmm maybe it wrote over my /etc/fstab with a new one |
| 18:08.42 | Vivaldi | i have a doc in many formats. do you know a way to print it 4 pages per sheet this way: 1-2-3-4 (on the first paper), 9-10-11-12 (second paper), .... when it finishes, i can print the rest: 5-6-7-8 (first paper) , 13-14-15-16 (second paper) ... ? |
| 18:08.43 | karrot-x | i don't even remember |
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| 18:08.56 | Kovecses | karrot-x, it could have |
| 18:09.11 | reaper | why wouldnt a package install its init scripts? it's installing everything else |
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| 18:09.39 | nvz | reaper: dpkg -L package, make sure it even has an init script |
| 18:09.40 | stefan_ | nvz: Ok, I see.. hmm it's really disturbing.. (is it correct to type nvz: to mark messages as a awnser to you? |
| 18:09.42 | karrot-x | holy crap |
| 18:09.51 | nvz | reaper: if not, file a bug |
| 18:09.56 | karrot-x | my fstab isn't even there anymore |
| 18:09.59 | karrot-x | it's something else |
| 18:10.01 | nvz | stefan_: yes |
| 18:10.15 | raden | karrot-x, you did good ; ) |
| 18:10.28 | nvz | stefan_ its fine just the name or with a : or , are most common |
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| 18:11.30 | Kovecses | use tab |
| 18:11.34 | stefan_ | nvz, okay, than i guess this is marked for you.. are you old with debian? |
| 18:11.42 | karrot-x | oh no |
| 18:11.48 | karrot-x | my entire postfix mail setup is gone |
| 18:12.11 | nvz | Kovecses: some clients are configured to complete <nick> or something ignorant. I prefer just nick nick: or nick, |
| 18:13.12 | nvz | stefan_: I've been using it for about 5 years, since Potato was current stable.. and I've been here almost consistantly the whole time |
| 18:13.51 | nvz | stefan_: http://debstats.dontexist.org |
| 18:14.14 | Kovecses | nvz, you on sarge now? |
| 18:14.23 | nvz | Kovecses: yes |
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| 18:14.47 | Kovecses | nvz, sweet... you use it as a desktop |
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| 18:14.53 | cronic | I'm getting L 0707070707 when trying to boot my system |
| 18:14.55 | cronic | how can I fix this?? |
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| 18:15.15 | csalad | i have a question |
| 18:15.18 | Kovecses | shoot |
| 18:15.21 | nvz | Kovecses: yes. I d/l 3 disc set of potato after trying RH 5.2, Corel, and then Finally using mandrake 7.2-8.1 happily for a while. |
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| 18:15.24 | stefan_ | nvz, then you're a real pro in my eyes.. I was stuck on windows then a friend showed me the light and I'm so impressed and stuck on debian now, it's great |
| 18:15.41 | csalad | the debian install is 14cd. Is that true? |
| 18:15.52 | nvz | stefan_: yeah its pretty slick. its what I had been looking for for a long time. |
| 18:15.56 | nvz | I just never knew it |
| 18:16.01 | nvz | csalad: no |
| 18:16.04 | csalad | ? |
| 18:16.10 | csalad | than? |
| 18:16.12 | chou-chou | csalad: you just need the first cd, the rest you can do via online upgrade/install |
| 18:16.14 | syl-2 | hi, i just installed php+mysql for apache2 - and they work. the php4-mysql module has also been configured. what did i forget? since php doesn't recognize the "mysql_connect" function |
| 18:16.15 | nvz | csalad: the 14 cds contains the entire package repository which is available online |
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| 18:16.19 | csalad | ok |
| 18:16.20 | Kovecses | nvz, ive never been a mandrake fan |
| 18:16.21 | csalad | thx |
| 18:16.37 | csalad | than i download the first cd |
| 18:16.44 | cronic | Can anyone help with a LILO error of 07? |
| 18:16.53 | Kovecses | first is all you need if you have a fast connection |
| 18:16.57 | csalad | than the more install cd is from internet? |
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| 18:17.12 | csalad | on-line install? |
| 18:17.21 | csalad | from second cd? |
| 18:17.26 | Kovecses | yup |
| 18:17.30 | nvz | Kovecses: well RH 5.2 didnt work, at least not to the extent a newbie could use it.. X working ...etc so I tried corel, and had great success but it royally sucked not many packages or anything.. and mandrake was a breeze and had decent ammount of software and lots of custom graphical tools to help with configuration.. |
| 18:17.35 | csalad | the first cd is the basic debian? |
| 18:17.36 | Kovecses | but you wont need all thaT software |
| 18:17.51 | csalad | okok |
| 18:17.52 | samuel | sup all |
| 18:17.56 | stefan_ | nvz, some stats over how active you are in this channel? impressive anyhow.. |
| 18:18.01 | csalad | thanx |
| 18:18.02 | csalad | by |
| 18:18.24 | nvz | Kovecses: I eventually realized it was holding me back from learning any further and went in search of a better distro. I looked over Slackware, Freebsd, Debian.. once I seen debian there was no question. |
| 18:18.48 | nvz | stefan_: thats a debian program, called pisg it generates IRC statistics |
| 18:18.58 | Kovecses | nvz, gentoo is good to play with becuase it teaches alot... but compiling sucks |
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| 18:19.34 | BlackJudas | Does anyone remember where I set options for modules.. |
| 18:19.39 | nvz | stefan_: we keep about 3 years of statistics on that website, courtesy of one of our regular visitors |
| 18:20.02 | SerajewelKS | can the various error messages given by postfix over smtp be configurd? |
| 18:20.06 | SerajewelKS | configured too |
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| 18:20.14 | nvz | Kovecses: yeah I wouldnt want to sit there and compile my compiler to compile my installer, to install my compiler to compile my compilier.. heh |
| 18:20.19 | nvz | waste of time |
| 18:20.27 | nvz | I was looking to actually learn something useful |
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| 18:20.44 | Kovecses | nvz, you dont have to do that |
| 18:21.03 | reaper | do i need to install java manually from Sun when using tomcat? it looks for /usr/local/jdk which is not there |
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| 18:21.05 | stefan_ | nvz, ok, great.. |
| 18:21.11 | samuel | anyone know this: i can see dvds fine and mpeg videos fine on my laptop's pc screen, however when i connect to a projector the part of the screen with playback (ie the noatun window or the like) is blue? i dont understand what is wrong |
| 18:21.12 | resiak | !tell reaper -about java |
| 18:21.31 | nvz | stefan_: so just remember Piggy is watching j00 :P |
| 18:21.36 | stefan_ | nvz, I wonder what to do with my mouse thou... what country are you from? |
| 18:21.38 | reaper | that doesnt answer the question |
| 18:21.48 | nvz | stefan_: US |
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| 18:21.55 | Kovecses | nvz, and you do learn a buttload of stuff |
| 18:22.08 | Kovecses | nvz, I always come back to debian though |
| 18:22.15 | jilocasin | Afternoon all |
| 18:22.21 | Kovecses | afternoon |
| 18:22.41 | nvz | Kovecses: bah I learn more on debian because its already ready already.. and I can get right to learning what I want to know, and not have to read a bunch of shit I dont care about |
| 18:23.00 | jilocasin | Can anyone direct me to where I can find out how to print to a "HP PSC1315" that's hanging off of a Win2k box from Deb Testing? |
| 18:23.17 | nvz | jilocasin: you cant? |
| 18:23.30 | phogg | My ALT key has recently stopped working as meta in xterms while root. It still works as my regular user. I have not intentionally changed anything. How might I fix it? |
| 18:23.38 | Kovecses | nvz, i know way more about debian now after learning gentoo : ) |
| 18:23.40 | resiak | phogg: You shouldn't be running xterms as root. |
| 18:23.41 | nvz | jilocasin: the PSC series usually doesnt support network printing, because the driver that ships with it doesnt support it |
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| 18:24.09 | phogg | resiak: I am not. I su to root |
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| 18:24.21 | csalad | hello i re... i have one more quest. |
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| 18:24.34 | Kovecses | phogg, thats running xterms as root |
| 18:24.38 | Saleemmarwat | hello |
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| 18:24.47 | phogg | Kovecses: that's running bash as root |
| 18:24.47 | csalad | can i install the deb neigbour an other linux? |
| 18:24.53 | nvz | Kovecses: some people need to build a car from scratch to know how one works, some need to have one thats built and tear it apart, and some just dont fucking care :P |
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| 18:25.17 | Saleemmarwat | i need little help about Sarge |
| 18:25.18 | jilocasin | nvz:Really, I print across the network fine from one Win2k box to another |
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| 18:25.36 | csalad | can i install the deb neigbour an other linux? |
| 18:25.43 | jilocasin | nvz:I envisioned it requiring CUPS and something to do with SAMBA |
| 18:25.47 | Kovecses | csalad, yes |
| 18:25.51 | nvz | jilocasin: hmm.. I've owned a few of them, they didnt do network printing I recalled.. but it could have changed |
| 18:26.04 | nvz | jilocasin: indeed. |
| 18:26.07 | Saleemmarwat | does it provide default support to NTFS read/access or do i need to use mount command? |
| 18:26.12 | csalad | in one patricion 2 linux? yes? |
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| 18:26.20 | Kovecses | csalad, no |
| 18:26.23 | jilocasin | nvz: How would I get started... I'm currently in KDE |
| 18:26.25 | reaper | there should really be a note somewhere that you need to install the jdk yourself before tomcat will work, instead of not mentioning it as a dependancy anywhere and just having it fail |
| 18:26.29 | nvz | jilocasin: its not really my specialty. I use my printers for paperweights anymore |
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| 18:26.51 | reaper | maybe under tomcat on the bot even |
| 18:26.51 | csalad | than where must i install the other(debian) linux? |
| 18:26.55 | nvz | jilocasin: you would start by installing samba and cups like you said :P that is about the extent of my knowledge |
| 18:27.03 | csalad | kovecses: than where must i install the other(debian) linux? |
| 18:27.06 | phogg | Kovecses: Login as a user, startx. Open xterm. alt+d (for example) deletes the next word. su. enter password. I am now root. alt+d inserts some kind of nonprintable character. esc+d now deletes the next word. I'd just like to know how to control the meta key, not get a lecture on when to use root. |
| 18:27.12 | nvz | jilocasin: cups is configured by surfing to http://localhost:631 |
| 18:27.28 | Kovecses | jilocasin, apt-get samba cups foomatic-filters gimp-print and set it up in kontrol center |
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| 18:28.48 | nvz | bah I got too many clothes on.. I thought it was colder outside |
| 18:28.51 | jilocasin | nvz: perhaps I have a more fundemental problem, connection refused when tryingot connect to localhost |
| 18:28.56 | Saleemmarwat | can somebody plz guide me about sarge,does it access NTFS partitions as dual boot with xp by default or i need mount command? |
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| 18:29.27 | nvz | jilocasin: I would run with Kovecses suggestions. |
| 18:29.29 | centrx | Saleemmarwat, mine did not include the NTFS by default |
| 18:29.45 | nvz | I see 39degF and I think its going to be cold out there. |
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| 18:30.01 | cire | Is there a special channel for kmymoney2 ? |
| 18:30.11 | centrx | Saleemmarwat, you can mount it by full, explicit command, or you can include it in /etc/fstab so that it is either mounted automatically at boot, or so the mount command doesn't have to be full |
| 18:30.17 | centrx | complete |
| 18:30.40 | Kovecses | cire, #kde ? |
| 18:30.42 | centrx | cire, if there is, i would check the homepage/website for the software and see if they mention it |
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| 18:30.53 | |krusty| | hi. anyone happen to know where to get the blender 2.4 packages for debian (unstable) ? i've been waiting for a couple of weeks now.. |
| 18:31.17 | Saleemmarwat | oh,so mount command is the key,i thought i would work like knoppix which has default access ability for NTFS |
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| 18:32.05 | Kovecses | Saleemmarwat, like he said you could set it up like that if you want |
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| 18:32.39 | Kovecses | is there a gdm-themes package? |
| 18:33.02 | Saleemmarwat | yes,thanks for help,i would keep this in mind before downloading 14 cds on dial up :) |
| 18:33.12 | stefan_ | Kovecses, yes and it's called gdm-themes I think :P |
| 18:33.18 | centrx | Saleemmarwat, you don't have to download all the cds |
| 18:33.21 | Saleemmarwat | it`s a big task |
| 18:33.22 | Kovecses | Saleemmarwat, your not gonna need all those cds |
| 18:33.34 | Saleemmarwat | really.... |
| 18:33.36 | centrx | Saleemmarwat, you could download one cd and then only download other packages as needed |
| 18:34.00 | Saleemmarwat | i just need kde and few basic things like multimdeia,office etc |
| 18:34.04 | centrx | Saleemmarwat, or you could even download < 100MB, or even the space corresponding to five floppy disks, and then download additional applications as needed |
| 18:34.11 | centrx | Saleemmarwat, if you are going dialup, a network install is the best option |
| 18:34.16 | Saleemmarwat | i want sarge for my home pc |
| 18:34.27 | Kovecses | just get the first cd |
| 18:34.39 | Kovecses | comes with gnome and kde |
| 18:34.44 | centrx | Saleemmarwat, probably, that is, you might for example want to download all 14 cds so you could install it in several places, but you definitely don't need 14 cds |
| 18:35.01 | Saleemmarwat | ok thanks,u saved me from a big big task |
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| 18:35.30 | Kovecses | brb |
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| 18:36.15 | ArtVandalae | I run exim4 for my mail server. Is there a log where I can check to who/when emails were sent? It doesn't even have to be the exact name. Just the domain would be okay |
| 18:36.34 | Saleemmarwat | thanks again,and thanks alot for help,now i know debianians are as kind as debian is itself:) |
| 18:36.38 | ArtVandalae | I've tried /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 18:37.10 | centrx | ArtVandalae, what about the ones at /var/log/mail.* |
| 18:37.23 | centrx | ArtVandalae, it may be that you have to change an option so that exim logs that information, i don't know |
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| 18:39.08 | SerajewelKS | how come the postfix source package in stable as a build-dep of libpq-dev, but libpq-dev doesn't exist in stable? |
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| 18:40.27 | cronic | I'm having a booting error with LILO, can someone help? |
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| 18:40.33 | cronic | I'm getting L 07 07 07 |
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| 18:42.06 | samuel | sup all, anyone esle getting this message? W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: 010908312D230C5F |
| 18:42.18 | centrx | cronic, i don't know, but reapting 07 07 07 could be an error message for which there is probably information some where in the web |
| 18:42.45 | centrx | samuel, the secure apt key was changed for the new year (or, at least, it did change at the new year) |
| 18:42.46 | samuel | should i update the key? or is this something else? |
| 18:42.53 | samuel | okok |
| 18:43.01 | centrx | samuel, send /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 18:43.05 | samuel | thanks, just wanted to make sure it was normal |
| 18:43.16 | centrx | samuel, here on this channel |
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| 18:43.40 | centrx | or i guess not necessarily on this channel, but on this irc network, or i guess it could be oftc either but anyway it doesn't matter i'm just babbling |
| 18:43.53 | centrx | samuel, oh wait |
| 18:43.58 | centrx | it's not that, it's /msg dpkg 2006 key |
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| 18:44.26 | samuel | centrx: thanks |
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| 18:44.55 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: how did you list the build-dep? |
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| 18:45.58 | dijz | how to fix the problem "locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C"? I have updated my system xfree86 >> xorg, and now I can not use utf-8... |
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| 18:46.18 | centrx | dijz, maybe the "locales" package is not installed? |
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| 18:46.24 | wykis-x | hi |
| 18:46.27 | wykis-x | its me again |
| 18:46.28 | wykis-x | :D |
| 18:46.36 | blondie | where's the champagne? |
| 18:46.39 | wykis-x | :DD |
| 18:46.41 | wykis-x | centrx |
| 18:46.50 | dijz | centrx: they are here... |
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| 18:46.57 | wykis-x | after hours of torchure - i compiled the kernel successfully and i don't have initrd |
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| 18:47.04 | wykis-x | how do i make it or what do i do!? |
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| 18:47.33 | nvz | wykis-x: why do you need initrd? |
| 18:47.41 | wykis-x | i've tried the older initrd (2.6.8xx), which returned loads of errors ( says that /lib/modules/2.6.15/**** doesn't exist ) |
| 18:47.44 | centrx | wykis-x, there is an option in the kernel config for initrd (maybe called someting like "ram disk" or "initial ram disk" |
| 18:47.45 | merak | how do I do multisession burning with gnomebaker? |
| 18:47.47 | wykis-x | nvz because i dont have a new one |
| 18:47.57 | Oryn | wykis-x: if you have built in the driver for your disk controler, then you dont need one |
| 18:48.02 | wykis-x | centrx i shad selected it |
| 18:48.04 | nvz | wykis-x: are you building a kernel for running on different kinds of systems or for a bootcd? |
| 18:48.10 | centrx | wykis-x, what he means is initrd is not actually necessary for the proper functioning of most systems |
| 18:48.16 | merak | .. and for a good image viewer like irfan view on debian.org |
| 18:48.17 | merak | ? |
| 18:48.22 | wykis-x | centrx really? |
| 18:48.30 | dijz | do anybody can help me? the files at /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale are fine, but I riceved "locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C" |
| 18:48.39 | wykis-x | i just added another option in the grub config |
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| 18:48.44 | wykis-x | and changed the kernel image |
| 18:48.47 | wykis-x | which is ok |
| 18:48.52 | centrx | dijz, i don't know, sorry |
| 18:48.58 | nvz | wykis-x: initrd is primarily used for preloading essential modules.. if your kernel is complied specifically for your pc you dont need it |
| 18:48.59 | wykis-x | and i didnt have anything to change initrd-2.6.8 to |
| 18:49.13 | wykis-x | ok nvz thanks |
| 18:49.17 | wykis-x | i shall try now |
| 18:49.18 | nvz | wykis-x: special cases are making a kernel like the one on the installer that has no idea what hardware it will encounter |
| 18:49.41 | wykis-x | configuring the kernel took 40 minutes |
| 18:49.51 | wykis-x | why do they have almost all the options selected ? |
| 18:50.10 | wykis-x | like all the ethernet cards, sound cards, other cards, Fs |
| 18:50.11 | merak | Does anyone know a good image viewer I can use like irfanviewer for windows? |
| 18:50.12 | nvz | wykis-x: so its needs to be able to load ide-detect type modules before the filesystem is even mounted to read the driver.. so it needs these things in an initrd image that can be loaded into ram by the bootloader and read by the kernel before any disks are available |
| 18:50.48 | wykis-x | ok ill just see without any use of initrd, removing a config line in grub? |
| 18:50.52 | wykis-x | yes? |
| 18:51.00 | nvz | no |
| 18:51.11 | wykis-x | so what should i do |
| 18:51.13 | nvz | wykis-x: you cannot run a kernel configured to use initrd without it |
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| 18:51.25 | nvz | wykis-x: you should recompile without initrd support |
| 18:51.37 | nvz | wykis-x: you can take out ram disk support all together if you dont think you need it |
| 18:52.01 | wykis-x | what is a ram disk, is it just a virtual disk in your ram or something? |
| 18:52.10 | wykis-x | like a system being able to create a virtual drive? |
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| 18:52.21 | nvz | wykis-x: yes it allocates ram to be used like a normal disk with a file system |
| 18:52.22 | setog3 | hi , I have a little problem, I want to try apt-build but with all package I have error unable to find binnary package |
| 18:52.35 | wykis-x | ..ok |
| 18:52.47 | wykis-x | but what if i want to do initrd |
| 18:52.49 | wykis-x | any idea? |
| 18:52.55 | nvz | wykis-x: initrd is inital ram disk, it is used by the kernel to preload essential modules |
| 18:53.31 | nvz | wykis-x: you definatly dont want to bother with all the extra hassle of initrd if you are not going to be using the kernel on more than one system with different hardware or as a boot disk |
| 18:53.46 | wykis-x | well .. ok |
| 18:54.00 | wykis-x | so all i do is recompile without ramdisk support, right? |
| 18:54.17 | nvz | wykis-x: you want to trim you kernel to be a specialize kernel for your hardware, leaving in maybe enough module support for future expansion |
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| 18:54.43 | nvz | I usually leave in like the most popular sound an net modules for example in case it breaks and I have to swap it with something else. |
| 18:55.00 | wykis-x | wykis-x> so all i do is recompile without ramdisk support, right? |
| 18:55.07 | wykis-x | i am going to use modules |
| 18:55.08 | wykis-x | all the time |
| 18:55.21 | wykis-x | because most of my kernel config is modules, modules, modules |
| 18:55.31 | nvz | probably why it doesnt boot :P |
| 18:55.44 | nvz | certain things cannot be modules if you intend to use em.. |
| 18:55.55 | wykis-x | yes they are integrated |
| 18:55.57 | nvz | anything required to boot the system must be built in |
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| 18:56.20 | nvz | like it will allow you to module a filesystem, but if that filesystem is your root filesystem, then you cannot boot |
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| 18:56.44 | nvz | unless you have an initrd image with the driver and support for initrd |
| 18:56.50 | azatoth | anyone has running drbd? i have a problem and need help please. |
| 18:57.03 | bizkit | !anyone |
| 18:57.04 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:57.05 | wykis-x | mkinitrd |
| 18:57.07 | wykis-x | :) |
| 18:57.13 | nvz | azatoth: anyone left |
| 18:57.14 | wykis-x | nvz first im gonna try mkinitrd |
| 18:57.15 | nvz | !seen anyone |
| 18:57.16 | dpkg | anyone <n=username@3E6B9A9A.rev.stofanet.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3h 42m 52s ago, saying: 'user__, not now .. I have to have coffee now'. |
| 18:57.18 | wykis-x | then your way |
| 18:57.19 | wykis-x | thanks |
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| 18:57.28 | nvz | azatoth: almost 4 hours ago now |
| 18:57.47 | centrx | azatoth, ignore the jokesters :) |
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| 18:57.59 | nvz | azatoth: he needed cofee, didnt say anything about using your software |
| 18:58.20 | nvz | who's joking? |
| 18:58.29 | nvz | I'm as serious as a heart attack |
| 18:58.56 | nvz | actually thats played out.. |
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| 18:58.59 | bizkit | }:> |
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| 18:59.12 | azatoth | hehe, sorry! i am trying to get run the primary node of my drbd-cluster, but i just get the error: "ioctl(,SET_STATE,) failed: Input/output error". :( |
| 18:59.21 | centrx | azatoth, as no on has responded about drbd, probably no one currently awake knows about it, but you can wait, ask your question again in 20 minutes or something, or search around online |
| 18:59.33 | merak_ | Is k3b not on debian/testing? |
| 18:59.48 | centrx | azatoth, the makers of drbd may have their own support/developing channel for example somewhere or mailing list that you might, or their might some Web forum, or website with the information you want, etc. |
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| 19:00.04 | nvz | a good one for recent times would be "I'm as serious as a Hurricane" or "I'm as serious as a terrorist organization" |
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| 19:00.15 | azatoth | centrx: i am searching and trying for several days without any success. |
| 19:00.24 | centrx | merak_, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
| 19:00.35 | gpm | hey everyone. my sound works fine everywhere except with flashplugin-nonfree in firefox. i'm on sid. anyone else have this problem or a solution? i don't see it on the BTS. |
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| 19:01.12 | nvz | gpm: I've heard that before, but I dont recall anything about it other than flash sucks.. which is obvious |
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| 19:01.16 | centrx | azatoth, have you mailed the drbd-user mailing list (see http://lists.linbit.com/ ) |
| 19:01.31 | gpm | nvz: yeah. i wouldn't mind except that a lot of stuff uses it these days |
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| 19:01.44 | nvz | gpm: that stuff isnt worth seeing IMO |
| 19:02.30 | nvz | gpm: there is a lot of stuff outside our atmosphere too, but there isnt any air or water out there so I am keeping my ass right here |
| 19:02.38 | nvz | them astronauts are fucking nuts |
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| 19:03.19 | centrx | nvz, i won't even use railroads |
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| 19:03.32 | nvz | I tend to stay where the essential elements of life are |
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| 19:03.55 | nvz | its bad enough having a job where you have to pack lunch ... |
| 19:04.00 | user__ | im the user__ |
| 19:04.01 | user__ | :)) |
| 19:04.14 | centrx | user__ how about coming up with a better nickname altogether? :) |
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| 19:04.32 | user__ | what do you mean a better nickname? |
| 19:04.33 | nvz | druguser |
| 19:04.42 | user__ | ist mine, its registred, im proud of it |
| 19:04.46 | user__ | :))) |
| 19:04.47 | centrx | wait a minute that astronaut comment somehow followed from flash? |
| 19:05.02 | nvz | centrx: I can spin off of anything |
| 19:05.18 | nvz | centrx: it usually starts with me sarcastically putting things into perspective |
| 19:05.20 | centrx | i'm adding this to bash.org |
| 19:05.26 | nvz | heh |
| 19:05.27 | centrx | and my AIM profile |
| 19:05.29 | nvz | omfg |
| 19:05.44 | user__ | does anyone have problems with nv driver in xorg? |
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| 19:06.02 | user__ | it seem to cause hard lock ups |
| 19:06.29 | stew | user__: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:06.30 | nvz | I do that all the time.. bash.org could have 10 servers full of that by now |
| 19:06.37 | phogg | gpm: probably flash is trying to use a locked sound device. Check to see if esd or another sound server is running |
| 19:06.53 | nvz | I've never been to that site before.. but I have to hear about it all the time |
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| 19:07.05 | gpm | phogg: methinks it's because i have no /dev/dsp*....what's the module to load for oss emulation again? |
| 19:07.07 | user__ | stew: ? |
| 19:07.13 | stew | user__: yes |
| 19:07.18 | user__ | no |
| 19:07.20 | darkcmd | hmm |
| 19:07.22 | user__ | stew: no |
| 19:07.30 | stew | okie dokie |
| 19:07.37 | user__ | stew: bot donst' say anything |
| 19:07.45 | stew | !bts |
| 19:07.46 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 19:07.47 | user__ | ah... |
| 19:07.48 | user__ | it does |
| 19:07.54 | user__ | i forgot its irssi |
| 19:07.55 | stew | gpm: snd-pcm-oss |
| 19:07.59 | phogg | gpm: try snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss |
| 19:08.27 | user__ | its rather xorg problem then debian |
| 19:08.41 | user__ | cause i had same issues on freebsd, and i thogut its freebsd related |
| 19:08.43 | fcn | does anybody knows anything about new gpg keys? |
| 19:09.05 | nvz | fcn: only those who read the /topic |
| 19:09.07 | nvz | shame on you |
| 19:09.22 | stew | user__: in any case, if anyone here is experiencing the problem, it should be in the bts |
| 19:09.37 | _feathery_ | XPEH BAM BCEM B POT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) |
| 19:09.46 | stew | user__: or, by your logic, you should be asking in #xorg |
| 19:09.51 | Kovecses | http://www.funny-games.biz/gemmine.html |
| 19:10.03 | nvz | _feathery_: you sure can tell a stoner when you see one, eh? |
| 19:10.06 | fcn | nvz, thank you and sorry |
| 19:10.18 | user__ | anyway |
| 19:10.25 | gpm | sweet! crappy flash crap works again |
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| 19:10.43 | nvz | I'd wipe after all that crap |
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| 19:10.58 | user__ | what do i need to compile custom kernel on debian? i mean neither make xconfig, nor make menuconfig nor even make config works... |
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| 19:11.18 | _kaenat | I've been searching amongst the dpkg-* commands for something that I can use to find out what package a file on my system belongs to. Haven't quite found it. |
| 19:11.42 | phogg | _kaenat: dpkg -S, dlocate |
| 19:12.01 | Mr_Rock | hi, i'm installing canon bjc1000 driver, where do i have to put the PPD file??? |
| 19:12.08 | nvz | user__: apt-get install build-essential kernel-package fakeroot libncurses5-dev |
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| 19:12.20 | centrx | user_, and, of course, the kernel source, which you can download with apt as well |
| 19:12.22 | user__ | nvz: thanks |
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| 19:12.34 | EmleyMoor | Is there a proper HOWTO on using pinning with backports.org to decide which packages to get? |
| 19:12.51 | Padnah | I have installed kbear as a FTP client in KDE. Where do I find kbear in the menu? |
| 19:12.54 | EmleyMoor | Are wildcards allowed in package names when pinning? |
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| 19:13.04 | _kaenat | phogg: ty |
| 19:13.08 | nvz | user__: as your user _not_ root make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot buildpackage |
| 19:13.12 | darkcmd | !debview |
| 19:13.25 | nvz | user__: from the top-level kernel source dir of course |
| 19:13.29 | user__ | damn.... |
| 19:13.33 | user__ | can't install these packages |
| 19:13.36 | centrx | oh man, from bash.org: <+Kamasutra> i had a dream that the RIAA busted into the shower cause i was singing too loud |
| 19:13.40 | user__ | errors |
| 19:13.43 | stefan_ | Padnah, try to type kbear in terminal |
| 19:14.07 | EmleyMoor | Is there an intuitive interface to pinning? |
| 19:14.14 | tung | im configuring the kernel so i can upgrade from 2.6.8 to 2.6.15, can i just copy over the old config file in /boot/config-2.6.8-2-386 to the new .config file in /home/tung/src/linux ? |
| 19:14.23 | user__ | build-essential needs libc6-dev but it won't be installed |
| 19:14.25 | user__ | etc |
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| 19:14.27 | Padnah | stefan, will do. Thanks |
| 19:14.30 | Mr_Rock | i'm installing a canon bjc1000 print, where do i have to put the PPD file??? |
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| 19:14.53 | user__ | needs g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it won't be installed ...why not? |
| 19:15.15 | uberish | anyone familiar with agpgart? |
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| 19:15.29 | user__ | uberish: what about it? |
| 19:15.45 | nvz | man time files when you're on irc |
| 19:16.03 | user__ | nvz ? |
| 19:16.11 | centrx | user__ sounds like a problem with your sources.list |
| 19:16.18 | bizkit | tung: yes then use make oldconfig |
| 19:16.29 | tung | bizkit: thanks |
| 19:16.30 | nvz | I got time stamps but I rarely look at them.. last 3 times I checked I went from 9:xx to 12:xx to 14:xx |
| 19:16.31 | centrx | user__ or you need to apt-get update, or something |
| 19:16.32 | uberish | user__: well, I'm trying to install upgraded intel video drivers on my new debian box... I'm told to back up the current agpbart files.. I can't seem to find a way to backup the specific module |
| 19:16.36 | uberish | user__: any suggestions? |
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| 19:16.41 | nvz | feels like a few minutes.. its been hours |
| 19:16.48 | Mr_Rock | i'm installing a canon bjc1000 print, where do i have to put the PPD file??? |
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| 19:17.23 | merak_ | My isp seems to only allow a certain mac address to use the internet...how can I spoof my mac address on my laptop(debian etch)...so that is matches the mac address on my desktop? |
| 19:17.32 | uberish | user__: the last time I ran a linux box was mid 90's and frankly having a gui was low on my list of things to do |
| 19:17.35 | merak_ | s/is/it |
| 19:17.44 | user__ | uberish: what do you mean backup module? |
| 19:18.21 | nvz | merak_: just use ipmasquerading make the desktop a gateway |
| 19:18.27 | nvz | or buy a router |
| 19:18.38 | nvz | they are what $20-30? |
| 19:18.39 | merak_ | I don't have money to buy a router. |
| 19:18.40 | user__ | uberish: agpgart its only agp driver |
| 19:18.49 | EmleyMoor | Routers can often spoof their MAC as one of the connected machines |
| 19:18.57 | merak_ | ipmasquerading? |
| 19:18.57 | user__ | uberish: there is no need to backup it(??) |
| 19:19.08 | merak_ | I know a router will solve my problems but I can't buy one. |
| 19:19.24 | nvz | merak_: yeah ipmasquerading as in making your own router out of the desktop |
| 19:19.29 | user__ | lets see if apt-get update will help |
| 19:19.31 | uberish | user__: ya but its also used by intel onboard chipset (I installed debian last night and am stuck at 640x480 resolution currently lol) |
| 19:19.32 | merak_ | I just want to have my laptop show another mac address to my isp..possible with no other equipment or no? |
| 19:19.43 | blondie | get a proper ISP |
| 19:19.44 | centrx | merak_, it is possible, i don't know how though |
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| 19:19.53 | user__ | uberish: but whats the problem, exacly? |
| 19:19.58 | uberish | user__: Docs read: if the system already has an agpgart kernel module you should make a backup copy of that module and then replace it with the Intel specific one, |
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| 19:20.11 | blondie | merak_: changing MAC addresses is very naughty :( |
| 19:20.17 | Mr_Rock | i'm installing a canon bjc1000 print, where do i have to put the PPD file??? |
| 19:20.18 | stefan_ | I've forgotten the apt-get command to update all pakages to newest version? |
| 19:20.19 | blondie | (they are meant to be unique for a reason) |
| 19:20.23 | nvz | merak_: what makes you think it will allow two ips to the same mac id? its just going to kick the desktop off |
| 19:20.28 | nvz | or not allow you in |
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| 19:20.46 | uberish | user__: so I'm trying to figure out how I would go about backup'n up the module.. alot of vid driver installs say "to back it up" I haven't found anyway to actually backt it up |
| 19:20.50 | user__ | uberish: it sounds wierd for me but i don't think you should really care about it , you can always reinstall your kernel |
| 19:20.54 | blondie | trying to use two devices with the same MAC is completely retarded |
| 19:21.03 | FallOnMe | !w00t |
| 19:21.04 | dpkg | w00t!!! |
| 19:21.10 | stefan_ | nvzm my dear friend.. I've forgotten the apt-get command to update all pakages to newest version? |
| 19:21.10 | merak_ | nvz: I just want the laptop to connect...and not the desktop. |
| 19:21.17 | stefan_ | nvz, my dear friend.. I've forgotten the apt-get command to update all pakages to newest version? |
| 19:21.19 | nvz | merak_: there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. you are entitled to having more than one pc on a connection you pay for.. but you cant go about it like an idiot :P |
| 19:21.31 | nvz | merak_: so unplug the modem for a few seconds and use the laptop |
| 19:21.36 | nvz | merak_: you dont have to spoof the mac id |
| 19:21.51 | blondie | what kind of internet connection is it? |
| 19:21.52 | nvz | merak_: the modem caches the mac id of the last device |
| 19:21.59 | merak_ | My isp doesn't allow anyone to connect unless it shows the mac address of my desktop. |
| 19:22.02 | uberish | user__: hmm k.. I'm a born again linux newb (again haven't touched linux in almost 10 years now) just wanted to make sure I wasn't simply forgetting a command or something.. I'll just press ahead then thanks :) |
| 19:22.04 | nvz | you can chage it, you just have to reset it first |
| 19:22.06 | blondie | merak_: why not? |
| 19:22.21 | nvz | blondie: pebkac |
| 19:22.23 | merak_ | Because they want to make more money? |
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| 19:22.39 | blondie | how does that make them more money? |
| 19:22.45 | merak_ | nvz: That doesn't work. |
| 19:22.56 | merak_ | nvz: How do you even know what kind of modem it is? |
| 19:23.08 | blondie | merak_: don't change your MAC, change your ISP. |
| 19:23.20 | blondie | much more sensible |
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| 19:23.29 | merak_ | blondie: Because if you want two computers to connect to the modem you have to pay them more money. |
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| 19:23.45 | merak_ | blondie: There is a monopoly here in Romania..only one isp. |
| 19:23.48 | blondie | merak_: not if you use a router or share the connection |
| 19:23.58 | merak_ | I don't want to use a router. |
| 19:24.05 | centrx | merak_, blondie , The ISP would do that for security reasons (which is unnecessary, they should be able to secure their network without it), or i suppose to make people buy more accounts |
| 19:24.08 | EmleyMoor | merak_: Do you want to have a choice? |
| 19:24.13 | blondie | well, you're not allowed to change your MAC address |
| 19:24.14 | merak_ | I just want to know if I can spoof my laptop mac address with no other equipment...yes or no |
| 19:24.18 | FallOnMe | merak_: Well, is your desktop always on? You could use that as a router. |
| 19:24.21 | user__ | damn!~ |
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| 19:24.36 | blondie | centrx: yes, but it's not secure at all! |
| 19:24.45 | merak_ | I don't want to ipmasquerade and use my desktop. |
| 19:24.46 | user__ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:24.47 | user__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.47 | user__ | E: Broken packages |
| 19:24.57 | blondie | merak_: you can but we won't tell you how |
| 19:25.05 | centrx | merak_, i myself would move out of a country that enforced such monopolies, but anyway you can check on the web for how to spoof |
| 19:25.08 | resiak | user__: are you mixing stable and unstable? |
| 19:25.09 | EmleyMoor | merak_: It's the easiest way |
| 19:25.10 | merak_ | blondie: How can you speak for everyone in the channel. |
| 19:25.15 | FallOnMe | merak_: you drive a hard bargain, mister ;-) |
| 19:25.19 | blondie | merak_: it's common sense |
| 19:25.27 | user__ | resiak: i have installed some packages from backports |
| 19:25.31 | blondie | changing MAC address is just stupid :\ |
| 19:25.34 | centrx | user__, it sounds like you're not running straight Debian stable, or there's ohh oh |
| 19:25.42 | centrx | user__ you probably installed a lot more packages from backports than you need |
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| 19:25.52 | nvz | merak_: because we know you are wrong and you are refusing to look at this objectivly |
| 19:25.55 | centrx | user__, with backports its wise to be careful to only install the backport you really need |
| 19:26.04 | merak_ | centrx: They don't let you move out either. |
| 19:26.06 | user__ | centrx: any way back ? |
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| 19:26.17 | blondie | they won't let you move out? lol |
| 19:26.24 | centrx | user__, I, for example, comment out the lines for my backports in my sources.list when i don't want to upgrade so i don't automatically upgrade |
| 19:26.25 | EmleyMoor | centrx: Pin the minimum you need :-) |
| 19:26.32 | nvz | merak_: you absolutly cannot do what you are saying.. you are however partially right.. it is restricting you by mac id |
| 19:26.37 | stefan_ | blondie, what country are you from? |
| 19:26.38 | merak_ | I want to connect my laptop to the internet tonight...no stores are open...and I have no equipment except my desktop and laptop. |
| 19:26.43 | merak_ | How can I connect my laptop? |
| 19:26.45 | blondie | stefan_: why? |
| 19:26.50 | FallOnMe | merak_: well, nothing stops you to google for something like "spoof mac address linux". |
| 19:26.52 | nvz | merak_: but its not doing it so you cant switch mac ids, its doing it so you cant have more that one on at a time. |
| 19:26.53 | centrx | EmleyMoor, yes, but of course as it seems you are finding out, pinning is non-trivial, or maybe it is i don't know |
| 19:26.53 | blondie | merak_: you can't |
| 19:27.10 | user__ | centrx: is there any way to fix it? |
| 19:27.11 | nvz | merak_: solutions are to change the one cached in the system, or masquerade |
| 19:27.12 | EmleyMoor | merak_: Do you have an unused Ethernet port on your desktop? |
| 19:27.19 | centrx | merak_, if you can't find the spoofing online, then ipmasquerading is your only other option |
| 19:27.21 | stefan_ | blondie, "lol" I picture you as an american... |
| 19:27.23 | user__ | centrx: without reinstalling the everything? |
| 19:27.35 | centrx | user__, yes, it's flexible |
| 19:27.37 | nvz | merak_: most cable or broadband providers loose the cached address if you unplug the modem for a few moments |
| 19:27.41 | blondie | stefan_: well learn to use /whois :P |
| 19:27.43 | merak_ | EmleyMoor: no |
| 19:27.50 | user__ | centrx: well? |
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| 19:27.58 | stefan_ | blondie, please teache me.. |
| 19:28.02 | Fujoor | hey guys, is there any picture viewer for x? |
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| 19:28.06 | resiak | No. |
| 19:28.07 | nvz | merak_: as the address is cached and the filtering is done right in the modem itself |
| 19:28.07 | EmleyMoor | merak: I'm afraid you're stuck then |
| 19:28.08 | centrx | user__, first i would comment out the backports lines from your sources.list if you don't wnat to deal with pinning which is more complicated |
| 19:28.13 | resiak | There are no picture viewers for X. |
| 19:28.19 | nvz | merak_: its just the way the devices are built, and we know this |
| 19:28.21 | resiak | !tell Fujoor -about search |
| 19:28.24 | user__ | centrx: i did that already |
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| 19:28.39 | Fujoor | damn, there is viewers for dos, there should be for x aswell |
| 19:28.45 | centrx | user__, also, a more general option to keep in mind is if you are using backports to get newer softwrae you might want to upgrade to branch "testing", which many people use as their normal desktop machine and is quite stable |
| 19:28.55 | wykis-x | ok, i've made the initrd, a bit bigger file than original - 5MB instead of 4 |
| 19:28.56 | Estes | Hummm, anyone knows what happened to the package "uml" ? i run etch and can find it |
| 19:29.07 | blondie | Fujoor: it's illegal to view pictures with X |
| 19:29.10 | FallOnMe | merak_: btw, how come you don't wan't to use NAT/masquerading? |
| 19:29.14 | centrx | Fujoor, there are many, I use gqview |
| 19:29.19 | wykis-x | when i boot it boots very slow with some error "hda:lost in interrupt" |
| 19:29.20 | EmleyMoor | nvz: I have seen some ISPs that require you to register the MAC with them and won't let anything else on... |
| 19:29.22 | resiak | centrx: You spoiled our fun. |
| 19:29.25 | merak_ | FallOnMe: I don't have the equipment for that. |
| 19:29.29 | nvz | merak_: the modem is actually a embedded bridge device, and to make it so small they are limited on what its capabilities are.. so it does a very simple process of caching its partners mac id when it boots up |
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| 19:29.31 | EmleyMoor | FallOnMe: I think it's because he lacks equipment |
| 19:29.42 | Estes | well, i meant, package user-mode-linux |
| 19:29.43 | blockd | merak_: I won't comment on whether it's a good idea. As long as you're not trying to use both devices on the network at once, it should be simple to change the mac address with ifconfig. |
| 19:29.45 | user__ | centrx: but whats the magic sentence? :) |
| 19:29.48 | wykis-x | * "hda: lost interrupt" |
| 19:29.51 | centrx | Estes, is that the name of the package? |
| 19:29.58 | Kortor | How stable is the unstable version of Debian now that it is being updated again? |
| 19:30.01 | nvz | merak_: unplugging it long enough for the volitile ram to clear usually solves that |
| 19:30.06 | centrx | user__, for upgrading to testing or to stick with stable and fix your current problem? |
| 19:30.07 | resiak | Kortor: Unstable, hence the name. |
| 19:30.25 | user__ | centrx: whatever to fix my current problem |
| 19:30.29 | merak_ | ifconfig eth0 hw ether ma:ca:dd:re:ss:00 |
| 19:30.32 | merak_ | Is that right blockd? |
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| 19:30.35 | centrx | Kortor, usually, the deal with unstable is that if you happen to upgrade on a day when everything is working it will probably fine, but of course from time to time things, possibly even major things, break |
| 19:30.36 | Kortor | resiak: But I know before they started updating it again, it was perfectly stable even though it was called "unstable", and I was wondering if it was still that way. |
| 19:30.37 | Estes | centrx, user-mode-linux is the package name, yes |
| 19:30.39 | FallOnMe | merak_: how come, you can't network your desktop and your laptop while the modem is connected to the desktop? |
| 19:30.52 | merak_ | FallOnMe: How do I connect my laptop the the desktop? |
| 19:30.53 | user__ | merak_: you have to first ifconfig eth0 down |
| 19:30.56 | resiak | Kortor: It's never stable in the sense that they say "unstable". If you have to ask that question, you should _not_ use Sid. |
| 19:30.57 | centrx | Estes, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=user-mode-linux |
| 19:31.00 | Estes | centrx, i still can find user-mode-linux-doc though |
| 19:31.04 | merak_ | thanks user__ |
| 19:31.19 | centrx | Estes, that tells you what the deal with it going into testing is, somewhere else, maybe qa.debian.net will tell you why it was removed |
| 19:31.21 | wykis-x | anyone? |
| 19:31.22 | user__ | merak_: and after ifconfig eth0 up |
| 19:31.27 | centrx | Estes, possibly for those RC bugs |
| 19:31.31 | user__ | centrx: ? |
| 19:31.41 | centrx | wykis-x, could be a hardware problem if it is sudden |
| 19:31.43 | Estes | maybe |
| 19:31.47 | Estes | i'll chack |
| 19:31.52 | nvz | EmleyMoor: yes but they know you may change pcs or nics..etc and they usually dont want to be bothered with it every time.. not only that.. as I am explaining to him about the modem being an embedded bridge device.. it does everything locally.. the isp cant even see your MAC Id, the modem caches it, and uses it to identify its partner, and it uses its internal mac id to obtain a local ip and bridge traffic |
| 19:32.03 | Dominic | Kortor: it is relatively stable IME. Expect something to break though when you upgrade. Expect a package dependency not to resolve etc. But I use it on my desktops without much of a problem |
| 19:32.06 | uberish | user__: are you familiar at all with installing the Intel 82865G vid drivers on debian? |
| 19:32.07 | merak_ | awesome...thanks a lot for your help user__ I appreciate you helping me spoof my mac address. |
| 19:32.07 | nvz | EmleyMoor: the devices are designed to work this way regaurdless of what service they run on |
| 19:32.08 | centrx | user__, the easiest thing for me to tell you to do is upgrade to testing, but well actually it would probably be best to stabilize what you have now |
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| 19:32.23 | EmleyMoor | nvz: You've obviously never dealt with Telewest |
| 19:32.26 | merak_ | And go fuck yourself blondie |
| 19:32.27 | wykis-x | centrx but i am using this harddrive right now.. :P |
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| 19:32.31 | blondie | merak_: yes mum |
| 19:32.38 | centrx | user__ have you commented out all the backports lines so that all that remains in sources.list is an uncommented line for the official Debian stable (sarge) and security for stable? |
| 19:32.39 | Kortor | Dominic: Well, I am getting rid of everything on my harddrive and starting clean. So should I have relatively few problems that way? |
| 19:32.43 | FallOnMe | merak_: oh, using some hardware. A crossover cable, a hub, or wireless network. If you don't have any of that, or if you use the only network card to connect to the modem, then you really can't do it. |
| 19:32.54 | blondie | we use MAC "authentication" on the student network at work and it sucks |
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| 19:32.59 | user__ | centrx: yes |
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| 19:33.01 | Estes | i see .... :( |
| 19:33.03 | merak_ | FallOnMe: I don't have any other equipment...otherwise I would do this. |
| 19:33.04 | user__ | uberish: i can't say i am |
| 19:33.12 | uberish | user__: kk |
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| 19:33.21 | centrx | wykis-x, well, it could still be failing, i don't know specifically, i'm just saying that lost interrupts are often hardware problems, and if it's really sudden and you didn't say, install/upgrade something, then it's also often a hardware problem |
| 19:33.24 | Dominic | Kortor: depends on the phase of the moon when you update to unstable. Some days it's "bad" and will have broken dependencies. Updating from a previous install shouldn't make any difference |
| 19:33.26 | uberish | anyone had to install the intel 82865G vid drivers to debian before? |
| 19:33.45 | user__ | centrx: so i should change stable > testing and apt-get uptage && apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:33.49 | centrx | user__, did you do any apt pinning when you did the backports |
| 19:34.02 | Dominic | Kortor: generally though, it's ok. I haven't noticed any big breakages recently after the upgrades just after Sarge was released |
| 19:34.06 | centrx | user__ check /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 19:34.11 | wykis-x | id eosnt work only on a specific kernel, so this is a software problem |
| 19:34.13 | wwallace | How do I set Firefox as the default browser instead of konquerer? |
| 19:34.16 | Kortor | Dominic: Okay, thanks. |
| 19:34.21 | wykis-x | i just made a initrd file, which gives that error |
| 19:34.22 | centrx | Kortor, testing could be a better option for you depending on what you need/want |
| 19:34.24 | wykis-x | like each 10 secs |
| 19:34.26 | whatever | is it expected that a 1.7ghz sempron would lag when using ssl httpd connections versus non-ssl http connections? |
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| 19:34.40 | MarGarina | yey, kde3.5! |
| 19:34.43 | Dominic | Kortor: I tend to update and upgrade everything every couple of days to keep in sync. Today there were a couple of issues with hal or something, but the new aptitude version (0.4 I think) has a better dependency resolver |
| 19:34.51 | centrx | wykis-x, ah yes, i don't know, maybe the configuration isn't right for your particular system, maybe you hard drive requires an option for it's module, etc. |
| 19:34.51 | user__ | centrx: to be honest i did, but i have switched to another backport and delated /etc/apt/preferences since everything thre was from old backport |
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| 19:34.58 | Bevin | hi |
| 19:34.59 | Bevin | How do you find out with apt-get which package provides a certain file? |
| 19:35.04 | Estes | ./msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 19:35.06 | asuffield | whatever: ssl is always going to have more latency than without |
| 19:35.08 | nvz | whatever: I don't know. Personally I would expect the class or speed of the cpu to have very little to do with it. |
| 19:35.09 | Estes | heh |
| 19:35.10 | Kortor | Dominic: Does the testing version have bad days also? |
| 19:35.11 | Estes | crap |
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| 19:35.29 | centrx | user__, well there's no need to be dishonest you didn't do anything wrong, you just didn't know what was necessarily best |
| 19:35.48 | Dominic | Kortor: I'd imagine so, as bugs can hold some packages back, while other packages will fall through from unstable to testing. That was my problem with it when I used it for a while. I don't tend to use it for anything now |
| 19:35.53 | merak_ | Bevin: dpkg -L package; is how you would see all the files associated with a certain package. |
| 19:35.58 | whatever | nvz: true, but it seems pretty killer.... at least 5 seconds or more sometimes. I never noticed this before when I was using the same site on an opteron. : / |
| 19:36.02 | centrx | user__, :) ok since those two things i would try: dselect update :and go into dselect (or, i guess aptitude) |
| 19:36.09 | Dominic | Kortor: so a set of packages that depend on each other might be missing a crucial package which is stuck in unstable |
| 19:36.12 | wykis-x | googled, found a solution |
| 19:36.13 | wykis-x | ;] |
| 19:36.22 | nvz | whatever: I've had PI's that could do things without lagging that modern pcs would choak on.. bus speeds, ram... etc have much more to do with performance than the cpu |
| 19:36.31 | ice_1963 | testing has bad day's |
| 19:36.44 | centrx | user__, I use dselect, and i know that the front-ends like dselect and aptitude are better for keeping Recommendations good |
| 19:36.59 | FallOnMe | !info macchanger |
| 19:37.00 | Bevin | merak_: I want the opposite, I have a file on the filesystem and I'd like to know which package installed it |
| 19:37.04 | dpkg | macchanger: (utility for manipulating the MAC address of network interfaces), section net, is extra. Version: 1.5.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 274 kB |
| 19:37.06 | whatever | nvz: yeah, but I mean to see such a significant overhead difference between ssl and non-ssl blows my mind. |
| 19:37.12 | user__ | centrx: deselect just confused me |
| 19:37.18 | asuffield | whatever: it's probably network latency |
| 19:37.19 | merak_ | Bevin: What file? |
| 19:37.20 | centrx | Kortor, bad things happen with testing much more rarely, for me, i only recall one, rather minor/medium thing the content of which i don't even remember that has happened since i installed this new computer in hte summer |
| 19:37.31 | nvz | Bevin: apt-file or packages.debian.org |
| 19:37.49 | user__ | centrx: should i change every 'stable' to 'testing' in my /etc/apt/soruce.list? |
| 19:37.50 | whatever | asuffield: if that were the case then http wouldn't be instantaneous. : / |
| 19:37.59 | asuffield | that's got nothing to do with it |
| 19:38.00 | Padnah | stefan, typing kbear in the terminal brought up the kbear wizard which allowed me to configure kbear but did not open the program for use. ?? |
| 19:38.01 | centrx | user__, ok, try aptitude or maybe there's some other tool you prefer i don't know, but the point of what i mean is since the sources.list is in good shape and you don't have anything pinned, now to see what happens when you try it |
| 19:38.24 | asuffield | and anyway, if http is 'instantaneous' then your browser is forward-caching |
| 19:38.32 | quasisane | Bevin: dpkg -S filename |
| 19:38.36 | merak_ | Everytime I boot...it does an fsck...and it says a "super block" was created in the future...how can I make it no fsck when I boot? |
| 19:38.37 | centrx | Kortor, major problems are kept to a minimum because packages are not migrated from unstable to testing if they have reported major (release-critical) bugs |
| 19:38.39 | user__ | centrx: ???? |
| 19:38.42 | merak_ | If I cancel the fsck...it forces a reboot. |
| 19:38.45 | centrx | Kortor, or if there are dependency problems, etc. |
| 19:38.46 | user__ | now you are confusing me |
| 19:38.51 | whatever | asuffield: gosh, ok, -near- instantaneous. :P |
| 19:38.55 | user__ | merak_: don't cancel it |
| 19:38.56 | nvz | whatever: its like the difference between having an automatic garage door opener and doing it the old fashioned way :P |
| 19:38.59 | centrx | user__ you could, but i'm just thinking it's best to see if what you've got now might work |
| 19:39.11 | user__ | centrx: oh ok |
| 19:39.12 | centrx | user__ because upgrading to testing requires downloading a lot, time, etc. |
| 19:39.13 | merak_ | user__ I have flown a plane into a timezone 7 hours ahead of where I live...I think this has something to do with it. |
| 19:39.16 | asuffield | whatever: so multiple that by half a dozen more messages being passed to set up the ssl session |
| 19:39.19 | whatever | nvz: lol, the old way is better for ya. thanks for the heads up though |
| 19:39.25 | merak_ | user__ usually my laptop is 7 hours behind. |
| 19:39.36 | user__ | merak_: are you troll? |
| 19:39.39 | centrx | user__, and it could be more risky to upgrade to testing from a system heavily populated with backports |
| 19:39.42 | merak_ | user__ everytime it boots it does fsck...it is annoying. |
| 19:39.44 | Kortor | centrx: Thanks. |
| 19:39.50 | nvz | whatever: well thats like the ssl method, where you have to get out the car, walk over there and unlock it first before you open it |
| 19:39.51 | user__ | merak_: oh... |
| 19:40.12 | user__ | merak_: there was a bug in apm that was causing this |
| 19:40.17 | nvz | more steps, more time. |
| 19:40.22 | centrx | Kortor, but as someone said above, sometimes packages are removed from testing, so you might not be able to newly install some package you might want (but that will not remove it if it is already installed) |
| 19:40.23 | user__ | it rather old |
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| 19:40.51 | user__ | centrx: thats what i got now - i doens't work |
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| 19:40.59 | user__ | it* |
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| 19:41.13 | nvz | merak_: you just love comming up with insane solutions for problems then demanding that people tell you how to do it huh? |
| 19:41.14 | whatever | guess that makes sense, but even after the session is established, requesting new pages seems to have the same effect |
| 19:41.14 | centrx | merak_, i am having the same problem and i shoudl get around to reporting a bug about it, i think it is because the superblock was created last year, and the time of the superblock is recorded as December but not year-stamped or something |
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| 19:41.34 | worthy | hello |
| 19:41.37 | merak_ | centrx: ahh ok |
| 19:41.38 | user__ | centrx: do you use apm? :) |
| 19:41.40 | merak_ | nvz: huh? |
| 19:41.41 | centrx | user__, ok, then there are probably two options, you could partially upgrade to testing, or fully upgrade to testing, the latter would probably be more reliable i don't know |
| 19:41.43 | centrx | user__ i do not use apm |
| 19:41.49 | worthy | is there anyway to get rid of the border in my taskbar in dke please? |
| 19:41.53 | djp | is it correct that packages.debian.org is down at the moment? |
| 19:42.02 | centrx | merak_, i've been ahving that error since new year's and have encountered no manifest problems though |
| 19:42.03 | worthy | kde |
| 19:42.06 | centrx | djp, yes that is correct |
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| 19:42.22 | merak_ | centrx: same...and it asks for the root pass when you boot right? |
| 19:42.23 | nvz | merak_: why would you turn off a very important init.d script just because of an error on a filesystem? to me that says hey, I need to fix my filesystem so I dont see this error, and to you it says lets turn off error checking |
| 19:42.24 | whatever | nvz, asuffield: I know that php does that 'shared memory' thing, but I'm wondering if each page keeps calling the same includes, if that could cause a slow down, since I'm not sure if its trying to reload the code into memory every time. |
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| 19:42.44 | Bevin | quasisane: thanks |
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| 19:42.54 | centrx | user__, a partial upgrade would mean that you put testing in your sources.list so that when you try to install the package you are trying to install (remind me what it was), it will grab the dependencies it needs |
| 19:42.59 | djp | centrx, thanks |
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| 19:43.05 | merak_ | nvz: Where did I say I turned off an init.d script? |
| 19:43.19 | merak_ | nvz: Is english not your native language? |
| 19:43.23 | worthy | is there any way to get rid of the border in my taskbar in kde please? |
| 19:43.27 | centrx | user__ from testing, however that will mean that you will have a system that is partially testing, partially backports, and partially stable, which isn't much worse than what you've got now |
| 19:43.52 | whatever | its definately not latency. : / I just had one session that blew really fast, and then another that just lagged on startup.... ping rates were the same. |
| 19:43.57 | nvz | 14:38 EST, < merak_> Everytime I boot...it does an fsck...and it says a "super block" was created in thefuture...how can I make it no fsck when I boot? |
| 19:44.08 | nvz | merak_: ^ |
| 19:44.13 | user__ | damn... |
| 19:44.21 | user__ | debian is most confising os i ever had |
| 19:44.23 | Padnah | stefan, I found the documentation html in KPackage under kbear File List. Found the English version of the index documentation and am presently reading it to find how to access and operate kbear. Thanks for your help |
| 19:44.27 | user__ | and i had plenty |
| 19:44.32 | centrx | user__, whereas if you fully upgrade to testing you will have coherent testing branch, which is what many people run, many people test on, etc. and so it may be more reliable, but of course that requires downloading a lot of software, etc. and you would want to keep tracking testing at least until etch is released |
| 19:44.40 | merak_ | nvz: That doesn't say I turned off an init.d script...I was asking how to solve the problem. nvz is english not your native language? |
| 19:44.52 | centrx | user__, well, it's powerful, feature-ful, so i suppose that requires complexity |
| 19:44.56 | nvz | merak_: english is my first language and twice in english you've asked questions in here you are not able to solve on your own, and demanded we tell you how to fix them in a pre determined way. |
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| 19:45.03 | centrx | user__, and i may also just be telling you more than is necessary and being more thorough, etc. |
| 19:45.17 | centrx | user__, the other distributions might seem just as complicated if i were to explain them :) |
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| 19:45.34 | nvz | merak_: fsck is done at boot by an init.d script.. this is what I mean.. you know nothing about the system but you think you know enough to demand specific ways of solving problems |
| 19:46.01 | worthy | does anyone know if i can get rid of my border on my taskbar in kde? is it possible? |
| 19:46.03 | nvz | merak_: it impedes the solution and discourages people from helping you in the future |
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| 19:46.12 | merak_ | nvz: When did I demand anything...nvz I am putting you on ignore now...please don't pm me. |
| 19:46.16 | merak_ | !insult nvz |
| 19:46.16 | va | what package do i install to record dvds? |
| 19:46.17 | dpkg | nvz is nothing but an hacked-up ooze of frothy poop |
| 19:46.36 | EmleyMoor | va: Data or video? |
| 19:46.41 | va | data |
| 19:46.56 | nvz | oh sure, rejecting all those sane solutions and repeatedly asking for an insane one isnt demanding |
| 19:46.57 | Padnah | user_, I am also a complete noob to Linux and Debian etc. I have had Linux and Debian Linux installed for 1 week now and have been having a very good time learning. By "good time" I mean specifically: frustration, discovery, disorientation, orientation, new frontiers, etc. |
| 19:46.59 | tung | im upgrading from kernel 2.6.8 to 2.6.15, just did a make oldconfig, ive seen make bzImage and make out there in the tutorials on the web, which one is right for me? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/R1XI4X14.html |
| 19:47.00 | tlivingston | can anyone recommend a good mail server to run on my debian box that I can POP from remote? |
| 19:47.17 | EmleyMoor | dvdplusrwtools IIRC - or whatever it is that contains growisofs - I forget right now |
| 19:47.18 | user__ | centrx: i just switched from freebsd, and im telling you debian is confising ;)) |
| 19:47.19 | tung | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/R1XI4X14.html for more details, grub is the bootloader right now |
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| 19:47.36 | centrx | ok |
| 19:47.41 | whatever | tung: um..... just do "make" "make modules" "make install" "make modules_install" |
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| 19:47.49 | Dominic | !tell tung about make-kpkg |
| 19:47.52 | wwallace | hello Guerin |
| 19:48.02 | whatever | tung: and "update-grub" or "update-lilo" |
| 19:48.12 | mike_ | what does the ! thingy do for people? |
| 19:48.21 | mike_ | is that sending a remote /msg to them? |
| 19:48.21 | user__ | centrx: anyway i chagned stable to testing in my soures.list and it installled thigns i need succesfuly |
| 19:48.22 | whatever | mike_: its a system command |
| 19:48.30 | merak_ | !tell mike about msgdpkg |
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| 19:48.40 | merak_ | !tell mike_ about msgdpkg |
| 19:48.42 | merak_ | heh |
| 19:48.52 | whatever | anyways. |
| 19:48.53 | mike_ | nice! |
| 19:48.53 | mike_ | thanks |
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| 19:49.08 | merak_ | mike_: /msg dpkg help |
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| 19:49.36 | centrx | user__, ok |
| 19:49.40 | mike_ | anyway..i came here for something else: |
| 19:49.49 | centrx | user__, good, so you might want to track testing if you want |
| 19:49.50 | user__ | so thansk for you coaperation :D |
| 19:49.55 | whatever | mike_: we're out of women, someone might have some beer left |
| 19:49.59 | mike_ | in /etc/hosts on debian it lists 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain myhostname |
| 19:50.01 | tung | whatever: okay, ill do that, maybe a silly question, but just want to make sure, all those make commands will create new files in the /boot folder, and then update-grub will reconfigure the bootloader right |
| 19:50.13 | user__ | centrx: anyway im looking for someting more recent then stable |
| 19:50.14 | mike_ | but that causes problems...should myhostname be first? |
| 19:50.14 | whatever | tung: exactly. ^_^ |
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| 19:50.33 | user__ | centrx: i was thinging about sid but people told me i shouldn't switch to sid |
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| 19:51.00 | user|exe | hi where can I download internet explorer 5 or later for debian? |
| 19:51.07 | hanasaki | cdrecord -scanbus |
| 19:51.08 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.12 | azeem | user|exe: you cannot |
| 19:51.14 | Dominic | tung: why don't you use make-kpkg? Far easier and keeps things in sync with the package system's kernels etc. It builds everything and keeps your bootloader up to date |
| 19:51.16 | user|exe | ?? |
| 19:51.18 | whatever | mike_: no, thats normal |
| 19:51.19 | mike_ | yes you can |
| 19:51.23 | centrx | user__, sid is less reliable, but of course it can have much newer software |
| 19:51.24 | user|exe | but I need to run windows update |
| 19:51.26 | user|exe | it tells me |
| 19:51.28 | delire_ | user|exe nice one |
| 19:51.30 | user|exe | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.32 | fallonme | user|exe: first, you have to buy Crossover Office. |
| 19:51.36 | whatever | lol |
| 19:51.44 | bad__ | how can i see what isa card debian detects ? |
| 19:51.47 | user|exe | computer is insecure wihtout updates |
| 19:51.48 | mike_ | whatever: issue is Netbackup does name lookups to resolve and the client thinks its name is localhost.localdomain |
| 19:51.53 | mike_ | and it deosn't work |
| 19:51.59 | azeem | user|exe: this channel is for the Debian operating system, see http://www.debian.org |
| 19:52.00 | centrx | user__, however, because of upcoming release plans sid will become closer and closer to testing starting in a couple of months, which may be a good reason to just stick with ttesting or whatever |
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| 19:52.06 | EmleyMoor | hanasaki: cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA: will |
| 19:52.09 | djp | i have visited http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/z/zsnes/ and it has version 420-0.1 available there. however if i check packages.debian.org under stable, it shows 1.400-1. can somebody advise which version is considered ok to use with debian 3.1r1 stable? |
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| 19:52.33 | user|exe | azeem: i have download debain and now need windows update because the computer not updated |
| 19:52.34 | fallonme | user|exe: you can try using the wine packages in Debian, but they might or might not work, and your experience may be, shall we say, less than stellar. |
| 19:52.42 | delire_ | user|exe the site you are viewing doesn't recognise web design standards. if it can't be viewed in your brower tell to go and fsck themselves. |
| 19:52.45 | djp | sorry that should have read 1.420-0.1 |
| 19:52.49 | azeem | user|exe: you don't need windows update for Debian |
| 19:52.51 | mike_ | i run IE on debian with crossover and it works fine |
| 19:52.56 | whatever | mike_: first line should look like 127.0.0.1 <tab> localhost second line: ip address <tab> fullyqualifieddomainname <tab> machine name |
| 19:52.57 | user__ | anyway, which I/O sheduler from 2.6.15 will be best? :)))) |
| 19:53.02 | user|exe | where can i get windows update for debian? |
| 19:53.04 | user__ | who knows |
| 19:53.06 | user__ | i don't |
| 19:53.08 | azeem | user|exe: you cannot |
| 19:53.12 | pipeline | user_: all of the schedulers are better than "anticipatory" |
| 19:53.17 | user|exe | ????? |
| 19:53.21 | azeem | 20:47 < azeem> user|exe: you don't need windows update for Debian |
| 19:53.22 | pipeline | user_: In benchmarks, even the "noop" schedular usually does better than the default. |
| 19:53.23 | centrx | user|exe, Debian has its own updating software |
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| 19:53.25 | whatever | mike_: thats how mines configured on all my machines |
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| 19:53.45 | hanasaki | Warning: Using badly designed ATAPI via /dev/hd* interface. |
| 19:53.45 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.46 | hanasaki | wtf |
| 19:53.47 | user|exe | centrx: ok where can I find it? windowsupdate.debian.org doesnt work |
| 19:53.50 | mike_ | whatever: but with dhcp a static ip entry wont work |
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| 19:53.54 | whatever | mike_: although they have static IP's, not sure how that'd be different with dynamic |
| 19:53.58 | fallonme | user|exe: Hey trollie, believe it or not, Windows Update worked fine in CrossOver Office too, until a few days ago. I patched my IE6 just a fed days ago. |
| 19:54.08 | whatever | mike_: lol, that was static |
| 19:54.23 | user|exe | you are not of much help |
| 19:54.33 | Maulkin | user|exe: Erm... Debian is not windows |
| 19:54.38 | delire_ | user|exe you are asking idiotic questions. you're not running windows. |
| 19:54.46 | user__ | i don't know which one to use |
| 19:54.47 | centrx | user|exe, by default, you should be able to type: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade :and any security problems for which there are updates will be updated |
| 19:54.50 | mike_ | ya'll are too late he left |
| 19:54.52 | fallonme | user|exe: have you stopped beating your girlfriend yet? |
| 19:54.59 | EmleyMoor | user|exe: Why do you perceive you need Windows Update? |
| 19:55.00 | azeem | user__: please read the information at www.debian.org |
| 19:55.12 | whatever | user|exe: you're asking for a lot of problems when you say stuff like that in here. lol |
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| 19:55.23 | delire_ | user__ what OS are you running now? |
| 19:55.26 | user__ | azeem: azeem which one? |
| 19:55.28 | user__ | delire_: debian |
| 19:55.38 | whatever | doh |
| 19:55.51 | azeem | user__: all |
| 19:55.53 | delire_ | user__ then why, for chissakes are you asking about windows update? |
| 19:56.04 | azeem | user__: eh |
| 19:56.07 | centrx | user__, btw, it would be most convenient for you to have a unique nickname in the future because people do nick completion that will confuse you with "user" or "user_" or anyone else who has not chnaged the nickname from the default of some chat client |
| 19:56.08 | whatever | delire: windows update rulez the net! |
| 19:56.15 | centrx | delire_, different person |
| 19:56.16 | user__ | delire_: you are not talkint to me are you... |
| 19:56.17 | delire_ | whatever rules your porridge |
| 19:56.18 | user__ | lol |
| 19:56.28 | merak_ | When I first installed etch...it asked me if I wanted to manually setup my network..and it gave me an ncurses program asking me gateway/dns servers etc etc...how can I get that again? |
| 19:56.33 | merak_ | What is the binary name? |
| 19:56.42 | Maulkin | delire_: user__ != user|exe |
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| 19:56.47 | whatever | delire_: I wouldn't give it THAT much credit |
| 19:56.55 | kspath | ewe use IDA Pro for linux ? |
| 19:56.56 | delire_ | whatever true |
| 19:57.13 | delire_ | user__ maybe a case of mistaken idiots. sorry. |
| 19:57.20 | user__ | right |
| 19:57.33 | user__ | i asked about which sheduler to use |
| 19:57.39 | pipeline | kspath: IDA pro is actually useful under linux. |
| 19:57.44 | user__ | cause there is no description of any |
| 19:57.47 | Maulkin | merak_: Erm... IIRC, that's done by the actual debian installer. |
| 19:57.51 | delire | user__ damn tab completion ;) |
| 19:57.52 | mike_ | CrossOver works suprisingly well |
| 19:57.52 | pipeline | user__: As I just mentioned, they're all better than the default. Pick with a roll of the die, if you like. |
| 19:57.56 | centrx | fallonme, doesn't it check to make sure you have a genuine copy of windows? |
| 19:58.01 | pipeline | user_: cfq is a fine choice. So is deadline. |
| 19:58.18 | Maulkin | merak_: if you do "man interfaces" That should give you enough info to fill in the file yourslef |
| 19:58.18 | pipeline | centrx: Wine will pass the WGA check. |
| 19:58.19 | merak_ | Maulkin: Are you sure there isn't a program? |
| 19:58.20 | centrx | user__, though, probably the default has been more tested, and could be best for general use |
| 19:58.24 | merak_ | Something I can dpkg-reconfigure maybe Maulkin? |
| 19:58.30 | user__ | pipeline: okay thanks |
| 19:58.31 | pipeline | centrx: Actually, the default is the worst. |
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| 19:58.41 | mike_ | there is a program for windows update but a cheap java hack to bypass it |
| 19:58.46 | user__ | centrx: well im always up for fresh stuff ;D |
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| 19:58.51 | whatever | catch you guys later, thanks for all the info |
| 19:58.53 | fallonme | centrx: It thought my copy of cxoffice was legit, just until some 10 days ago. I think they "fixed" it afterwards, seeing as I can't use it any more. |
| 19:58.53 | djp | i have visited http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/z/zsnes/ and it has version 1.420-0.1 available there. however if i check packages.debian.org under stable, it shows 1.400-1. can somebody advise which version is considered ok to use with debian 3.1r1 stable? |
| 19:58.59 | centrx | merak_, that's what i was thinking, but i tried dpkg-reconfigure for packages ifupdown, netbase, and net-tools |
| 19:59.04 | centrx | merak_, i think it is in the base-config |
| 19:59.04 | user__ | i sholud use gentoo lol |
| 19:59.04 | Maulkin | merak_: dpkg-reconfigure netbase *may* work |
| 19:59.18 | centrx | merak_, you can also manually change the file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:59.18 | fallonme | !lol |
| 19:59.19 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 19:59.26 | centrx | merak_, and /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 19:59.42 | mike_ | rotfl at dpkg |
| 19:59.55 | mike_ | (just trying to be anoying) |
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| 20:00.18 | merak_ | dpkg-reconfigure netbase doesn't do anything. |
| 20:00.19 | centrx | pipeline, why is it the default then? it must at least have been tested more or something |
| 20:00.26 | fallonme | mike_: play with the bot... then wait for everyone and thier sister to ask you to stop harrasing the bot. |
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| 20:00.32 | Maulkin | merak_: Can you run base-config? |
| 20:00.37 | Maulkin | merak_: It may be in there |
| 20:00.41 | centrx | merak_, if you have package base-config installed, you can run the program "base-config" which has some options to that effect |
| 20:01.05 | syl-2 | hi. i know how to add or remove users using the proper commands, but is there any means to list the existing (connected or not) users? |
| 20:01.20 | kspath | !ewe can baaaah |
| 20:01.25 | centrx | syl-2, you mean not doing: less /etc/passwd :? |
| 20:01.29 | kspath | !ewe |
| 20:01.30 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 20:01.32 | oskie | how can I best view a text file with MSDOS/IBMPC line draw characters? |
| 20:02.16 | pipeline | centrx: Because the kernel developers think that it's really whizbang cool. |
| 20:02.31 | pipeline | centrx: Never mind that the performance is awful. Or that it has turned out to be surprisingly buggy. It's cool, and that's what matters *rolleyes* |
| 20:02.34 | centrx | oskie, most text editors should be able to recognize to recognize that it's MSDOS file and handle it |
| 20:02.35 | syl-2 | centrx: thanks!!! |
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| 20:02.58 | centrx | pipeline, so it works best for ivory tower applications? |
| 20:03.02 | oskie | centrx: hm but they don't display such files correctly |
| 20:03.07 | pipeline | centrx: It doesn't work well for /any/ application. |
| 20:03.20 | centrx | oskie, I know vim works |
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| 20:03.40 | pipeline | oskie: http://www.dsnine.co.uk/~gary/projects/nfoviewer/ |
| 20:03.41 | oskie | centrx: oh ok |
| 20:03.42 | centrx | oskie, but vim is not the most accessible to people who don't know how it works |
| 20:03.55 | centrx | oskie, what apps have you tried? |
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| 20:03.58 | oskie | pipeline: ah. neat |
| 20:03.59 | centrx | oskie, try "nano" or "nedit" |
| 20:04.11 | centrx | pipeline, just a joke :) |
| 20:04.23 | oskie | centrx: nano is terminal based, you need the terminal set up with an IBMPC/MSDOS font |
| 20:04.24 | uberish | anyone had to install the intel 82865G vid drivers to debian before? |
| 20:04.26 | pipeline | centrx: It's much like the devfs versus udev thing :P |
| 20:04.48 | Maulkin | uberish: probably |
| 20:04.57 | centrx | pipeline, sounds like we need to fork, immediately |
| 20:04.58 | ice_1963 | not me |
| 20:04.59 | delire | pipeline yes, which is the better of these two stupid solutions. |
| 20:05.19 | centrx | i want my kernel to use drive letters |
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| 20:05.29 | pipeline | centrx: SCO actually does. |
| 20:05.32 | delire | centrx why? |
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| 20:05.48 | centrx | delire, because i'm a madman, totally insane, and they better be Greek letters too! |
| 20:05.50 | delire | centrx anyway what's wrong with /dev/hda /dev/hde? |
| 20:05.50 | pipeline | centrx: Rather, SCO OSR. (Unixware is a modern UNIX) :P |
| 20:05.54 | uberish | Maulkin: lol probably or you have? I just installed debian on this dell box.. and currently have a forced X window resolution of 640x480.. the info for installing is based on RedHat and following the exact instructions doesn't seem to be workin lol |
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| 20:06.04 | britt | guys, how do i set up a nic to do both dhcp and a static ip? |
| 20:06.17 | delire | britt por que? |
| 20:06.20 | tung | Dominic: thanks, i think ill try make-dpkg kernel_image , that sounds easier |
| 20:06.21 | uberish | Maulkin: I haven't used *nix in years.. and when I did I had no urge to have a gui at all hehe |
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| 20:06.27 | oskie | britt: use eth0, eth0:1, etc. it's called aliasing |
| 20:06.41 | sylvisj | grr |
| 20:06.42 | centrx | uberish, you can reconfigure X with dpkg-reconfigure <package name> where <package name> is the name of the package that configures that (I forget) |
| 20:06.43 | djp | can anybody tell me whatthe difference is between those packages thar appear under packages.debian.org (stable) and those listed in the pool directory over at ftp.debian.org? |
| 20:06.43 | sylvisj | There we go |
| 20:06.51 | Maulkin | uberish: I haven't, no. But a more precice question is useful that "Has anyone done this before?" :) |
| 20:06.56 | sylvisj | :P Ripped an old SB Live (emu10k1) out of my HP and my surroudn sound works finally |
| 20:07.13 | centrx | uberish, also, you could try: Ctrl-Alt-KP+ or Ctrl-Alt-KP- ,where KP+ and KP- are the + and - on the keypad, but that may not work |
| 20:07.22 | britt | oskie: please explain? |
| 20:07.41 | Maulkin | !drx |
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| 20:07.41 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:07.45 | oskie | britt: you want two IP addresses for this nic? |
| 20:07.50 | _rene_ | djp: there isn't - if you take the stable package from th epool that is of course |
| 20:08.01 | delire | britt in your /etc/network/interfaces file give them different aliases. eth1, eth1:1 for instance. |
| 20:08.13 | britt | oskie: I suppose. before I set everything static and defined what I had, and dns worked until last night. |
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| 20:08.24 | _rene_ | djp: packages.debian.org is just a webfrontend (and links to the pool for download) |
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| 20:08.42 | centrx | djp, the pool contains all the (modern) packages that are in any of the branches, and the branches stable (codename sarge), testing (etch), and unstable (sid), point to which package it contians |
| 20:08.45 | uberish | centrx: ctrl-alt-+ etc doesn't work.. but I'm sure thats because during install I chose vga since the intel chipset wasn't an option.. I've downloaded the driver files from intel.. but can't figure out exactly how to get them runnin :P |
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| 20:09.13 | centrx | uberish, in order for those to work, the resolutions have to be configured as possibilities, and then those keypresses cycle through the possible resolutions you have configured |
| 20:09.25 | britt | oskie: can i post in #flood my eth0 config? |
| 20:09.42 | oskie | britt: explain how you want it |
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| 20:09.58 | buu | I installed shorewall, copied over the default conf and the two-interfaces conf, then did shorewall start; now I can't access any webpages on the box shorewall is running. Anyone mind giving me a hint what I should change or at least where I should look? |
| 20:10.08 | centrx | uberish, if you are using stable (sarge), try: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree68 |
| 20:10.11 | bigsow | hello |
| 20:10.26 | britt | oskie: i want a 192.168.1.x ip to remain static, so i can actually use my box. its on a LAN. I also want dns to work, so i can use irssi and things that need name resolving |
| 20:10.28 | djp | centrx, ah, thankyou. thought that might be the case. cheers again. |
| 20:10.31 | Dominic | tung: it is a lot easier. It'll generate a .deb package, which you can then install (dpkg -i kernel-etc.deb) and uninstall as you like. |
| 20:10.33 | delire | buu you need to manipulate those files quite alot. see the shorewall docs for HOWTO. |
| 20:10.46 | uberish | centrx: ya I'm using stable (sarge) but reconfiguring isn't going to install the new drivers will it? |
| 20:10.52 | buu | delire: Oh god. |
| 20:10.57 | britt | oskie: cant ssh to a box that doesnt have a static ip that changes every-so-often |
| 20:11.07 | centrx | uberish, most of the drivers are probably already installed |
| 20:11.08 | buu | delire: Is there any firewall/nat that *doesn't* require tons of configuration/ |
| 20:11.19 | bigsow | is there anybody who has experience with raid |
| 20:11.20 | blockd | oskie: The font luconP.ttf should also let you see those types of files correctly. You can find that here and there on the net. I believe http://sourceforge.net/projects/bashish/ is one place. |
| 20:11.36 | oskie | britt: then you need aliasing |
| 20:11.41 | oskie | blockd: ok, thanks! |
| 20:11.42 | delire | buu: http://www.shorewall.net/shorewall_quickstart_guide.htm |
| 20:11.47 | centrx | uberish, if one is not, you can install the special package with apt |
| 20:11.58 | yang | which packages do i need to start using my wireless card? |
| 20:11.58 | delire | buu: shorewall is a good one. just lay out 30minutes and you'll be in business. |
| 20:12.09 | delire | yang: depends what the card is. |
| 20:12.10 | centrx | uberish, or maybe download a proprietary one from the card manufacturer if that is what you want to do |
| 20:12.10 | uberish | centerx: during initial debian install (choosing desktop as a package installation) there were many vid driver options... non seemed to match the intel 82865G chipset.. |
| 20:12.12 | britt | oskie: so how would i go about doing this in /etc/interfaces |
| 20:12.20 | uberish | centrx: I'll take another look.... |
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| 20:12.34 | centrx | uberish, i don't know about the chipset, specifically, check online somewhere will tell you what driver to use for it |
| 20:12.43 | Deleter | Hello. Is OpenOffice.rg 2.0.0-5 officially in testing? |
| 20:12.47 | oskie | britt: man interfaces ... you'll need to add another set of rows for say, eth0:0 |
| 20:12.53 | signius | oskie: nearly all firewalls will block everything by default and its up to you to punch the relevant holes in it for what you require if it worked the other way it would be so much work to close everything down instead of open a few |
| 20:12.53 | ryanium | Anyone ever have the problem of sending a message on gaim and having the computer rebooting? haha |
| 20:12.56 | centrx | uberish, whether you need to download another package in Debian, or download from hte manufacturere,etc. |
| 20:12.57 | buu | delire: Argh. two-interface is like 50 pages =/ |
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| 20:13.09 | centrx | Deleter, yes |
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| 20:13.15 | uberish | ya.. I went to intel, downloaded the new drivers (and aparently a intel specific agpbart).. thats kinda where I'm stuck tho.. I don't know how to install the new drivers.. |
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| 20:13.28 | delire | buu rubbish. it's not 50 pages. just do it. you'll be happy later. configure once, protection forever. |
| 20:13.38 | uberish | centrx: the documentation is red hat specific (or so it says)... |
| 20:13.40 | Deleter | centrx, thank you. How'd you know, though? |
| 20:13.43 | buu | delire: I don't *want* protection, I just want a NAT! |
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| 20:14.06 | centrx | Deleter, I am using testing |
| 20:14.15 | centrx | Deleter, but, there are other ways to find out |
| 20:14.21 | Deleter | centrx, me too, and it's available in repositories, but |
| 20:14.24 | delire | buu ok, then use apt-cache search or freshmeat for a solution that better suits your timeframe. |
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| 20:14.39 | centrx | Deleter, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ tells you if a package is in testing, and what is holding up an update or installation into testing |
| 20:14.41 | Deleter | centrx, packages.debian.org is down, and http://openoffice.debian.net/ says it's not in testing |
| 20:14.43 | centrx | Deleter, packages.debian.org also has that info |
| 20:14.53 | centrx | Deleter, it just came in, maybe as late asyesterday |
| 20:14.57 | buu | delire: I don't suppose you know of with a nice pretty interface? |
| 20:15.20 | CraZy675 | Hi, I've just installed debian for the first time, I'm using KDE and I'm unable to change my resolution to greater than 800x600. |
| 20:15.24 | delire | buu: some people like: guidedog - NAT/masquerading/port-forwarding configuration tool for KDE |
| 20:15.25 | Deleter | centrx, ok, thank you |
| 20:15.34 | buu | Hrm. |
| 20:15.44 | buu | I wonder how many 100s of megs a KDE tool will require |
| 20:16.04 | delire | buu probably 7 |
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| 20:16.31 | fallonme | buu: just a NAT is done with two (2) commands, I think. |
| 20:17.08 | delire | buu probably better you read up on iptables. print out the docs and make a coffee. |
| 20:17.50 | buu | delire: Hey, guidedog is nifty. |
| 20:18.22 | troxy_ | theD3viL: does just `mplayer dvd://` work? |
| 20:18.50 | troxy_ | woops, wrong chan :( |
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| 20:19.00 | delire | buu ace |
| 20:19.01 | CraZy675 | what is the name of the GUI for apt-get again? |
| 20:19.05 | troxy_ | synaptic? |
| 20:19.13 | CraZy675 | yes synaptic thats it thanks |
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| 20:19.23 | buu | delire: Yeah, iptables is on the todo list, but not at the moment.. |
| 20:19.24 | delire | CraZy675 kpackage is another |
| 20:19.36 | user__ | damn |
| 20:19.41 | delire | buu you haven't go time to learn everything. |
| 20:19.45 | delire | s/go/got |
| 20:19.50 | CraZy675 | delire: ok thanks |
| 20:19.53 | delire | n |
| 20:19.57 | user__ | there is much new options in kernes since 2.6.12 |
| 20:20.10 | buu | delire: No excuse to stop learning. |
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| 20:20.27 | buu | delire: But at the moment I'm trying to learn why my shitty nforce4 won't register as gigabit =[ |
| 20:20.46 | delire | buu ahah, you need to learn alchemy. |
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| 20:21.03 | htedrom | hey all...for some reason my debian install didn't set up my network correctly |
| 20:21.04 | sylvisj | Shit |
| 20:21.08 | htedrom | so i'm trying to do it manually |
| 20:21.10 | sylvisj | Wine needs this package: libxxf86dga1 |
| 20:21.14 | sylvisj | anyone know where I coudl get it? |
| 20:21.14 | phogg | buu: simple NAT is just a few iptables commands... |
| 20:21.19 | htedrom | could someone help me out with it? |
| 20:21.23 | delire | buu if in doubt wave a dead rubber chicken at it. if that doesn't work, smoke a horse. |
| 20:21.26 | buu | phogg: People keep telling me this and at one point it worked. |
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| 20:21.44 | Dominic | buu: what sort of support have you found for the nForce4's network chipset? I was looking at a machine with one in earlier.. I saw mixed reports on it though. Does d-i pick it up then? |
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| 20:21.45 | buu | delire: Yeah yeah. |
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| 20:21.55 | buu | Dominic: Er, no, sorry, it's windows. |
| 20:22.04 | Dominic | buu: oh, ok ;-) |
| 20:22.05 | buu | I think that sentence needed, a few, more, commas. |
| 20:22.12 | sylvisj | Buu... it's obviously not gigabit... I'm using nforce4's ethernet now, and it's only 10/100mbps. Marvell-Yukon usually does the giganet on nforce4 boards. |
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| 20:22.25 | delire | the rubber horse speaks. |
| 20:22.28 | sylvisj | Anyway, anyone have a clue where I could find libxxf86dga1? |
| 20:22.28 | resiak | !forcedeth |
| 20:22.28 | dpkg | i heard forcedeth is the open-source nvidia ethernet driver, for nforce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 kernels or higher |
| 20:22.29 | resiak | \o/ |
| 20:22.37 | CraZy675 | when I ran setup I didn't get my video settings right. I can't get a resolution higher than 800x600, how can I fix this? |
| 20:22.38 | buu | sylvisj: My manual claims it is and when I go to it's configure dealy it gives me the option to 'autonegotiate for 1000mb' |
| 20:22.40 | resiak | !drxx CraZy675 |
| 20:22.40 | dpkg | CraZy675: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:22.48 | sylvisj | Buu, manuals aren't always right. |
| 20:22.55 | buu | sylvisj: This is possible |
| 20:22.58 | CraZy675 | cool thanks |
| 20:23.14 | buu | Maybe I can call tech support |
| 20:23.20 | sylvisj | I have a motherboard manual that says I'm running emu10k1 onboard sound, but it's ca0106. |
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| 20:24.40 | user__ | damn, why there is no perfect os |
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| 20:25.00 | buu | sylvisj: Don't tell me such things =[ |
| 20:25.08 | sylvisj | Lol. |
| 20:25.14 | htedrom | hey guys how do i redetect network settings |
| 20:25.16 | htedrom | in debian? |
| 20:25.30 | user__ | what do you mean redetect network settings? |
| 20:25.32 | randomity | htedrom, what do you mean? |
| 20:25.35 | htedrom | i mean |
| 20:25.39 | htedrom | i ran through the debian install |
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| 20:25.47 | htedrom | and i can't connect to my network |
| 20:25.54 | htedrom | i tried doing it manually with ifconfig/route |
| 20:26.00 | htedrom | but i'm pretty sure i botched the job |
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| 20:26.23 | randomity | htedrom, is your network running DHCP (do you automatically get IP addresses and suchlike)? |
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| 20:26.36 | user__ | whats a decent news reader for console??? |
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| 20:26.49 | user__ | anyone knows such thing |
| 20:26.54 | cahoot | user_: slrn is the generic answer |
| 20:27.00 | htedrom | randomity: yea i think it's dhcp |
| 20:27.03 | user__ | cahoot: thanks i'll try |
| 20:27.04 | htedrom | yes it is |
| 20:27.07 | Mutek | user_ try slrn |
| 20:27.09 | blondie | try tin |
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| 20:27.43 | buu | htedrom: dhclient |
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| 20:27.51 | htedrom | dhclient? |
| 20:27.51 | buu | sylvisj: Why would the config screen give me the option? |
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| 20:28.12 | centrx | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.14 | htedrom | ok i'll try it....brb |
| 20:28.15 | randomity | htedrom, there's usually a command to run dhcp and configure everything. Type "dh" and press tab and see what comes up. On my SuSE system here, it's dhcpcd. On some other system I used recently, it was dh_client. Anyway, do "dh<something> eth0" and press enter |
| 20:28.24 | VivekVC | I am getting this error message "nautilus has not installed viewer capable of displaying this file" |
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| 20:28.38 | htedrom | randomity, ok thanks |
| 20:28.43 | htedrom | brb |
| 20:29.10 | Mutek | celebrating my Nokia 770 ;-) |
| 20:29.12 | fcn | debian uses dhcp to get ip adress on boottime, how can i make it not to use dhcp |
| 20:29.14 | Kovecses | VivekVC, what kind of file |
| 20:29.58 | VivekVC | The desktop "home folder" and "computer" icons |
| 20:30.01 | sylvisj | how do I upgrade libstdc++6 to a new version? |
| 20:30.02 | Silent_al | hi , is it possible to install the x68 version of debian an amd64bit machine? |
| 20:30.13 | sylvisj | Silent_al: x86, and yes. |
| 20:30.13 | Kvant | fcn, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:30.21 | sylvisj | Silent_al: I'm running on it now. |
| 20:30.31 | Silent_al | sylvisj, x86 ,right , thanx :) |
| 20:30.32 | Estes | is there a place to get information about what's happening with packages ? |
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| 20:31.08 | wykis-x | hi im back |
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| 20:31.08 | Kovecses | packages.debian.org |
| 20:31.08 | fcn | sylvisj, should I chance /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:31.08 | Heffalump | should modprobe (from module-init-tools) respect what's in /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 20:31.08 | wykis-x | ok found my problem |
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| 20:31.09 | Mutek | and the gaim client on it. |
| 20:31.10 | VivekVC | Kovecses: ? |
| 20:31.11 | sylvisj | fcn, umm... not sure. |
| 20:31.11 | Estes | oh, it's back :) |
| 20:31.19 | wykis-x | my kernel doesnt seem to have devfs compiled into it - what to do? i couldnt find anything in the config or in the manual |
| 20:31.19 | Kovecses | VivekVC, are you on sarge? |
| 20:31.21 | sylvisj | fcn: I've never had to not use dhcp |
| 20:31.25 | earthling | I've been looking (for a long time now) for a good screen capture application that will allow me to 'snag' just a portion of the screen if I want to, or grab just a single window on the screen.. KSnapshot will do it but I use Enlightenment and would rather not use ksnapshot unless I absolutely MUST.. Anybody have an idea you can share with me? |
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| 20:31.39 | Kovecses | gimp man |
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| 20:31.45 | sylvisj | wykis-x: What version kernel? |
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| 20:31.51 | VivekVC | Kovecses: I just did an aptitude dist-upgrade from sarge |
| 20:31.52 | wykis-x | sylvisj 2.6.15 |
| 20:31.53 | Estes | ah, no, seemed to be |
| 20:31.54 | resiak | earthling: scrot |
| 20:31.58 | wykis-x | /dev filesystem doesnt mount because there is no such thing as devs and anyone got any idea on how to enable it |
| 20:32.04 | Kovecses | VivekVC, to what etch? |
| 20:32.04 | sylvisj | wykis-x: You're shafted. Devfs doesn't come with them. |
| 20:32.05 | resiak | Heffalump: Can I suggest you ask this on !Sunday? ;) |
| 20:32.07 | blockd | fcn: does what's in it work for you? If not, then you have to go find out what nameservers your ISP has for you. |
| 20:32.11 | Anyone | I have a remote here. I want to use more buttons. What do you recommend - xmodmap? |
| 20:32.14 | Heffalump | resiak: why? |
| 20:32.19 | VivekVC | Kovecses: yes to etch |
| 20:32.22 | earthling | scrot is cli, right? |
| 20:32.23 | Heffalump | resiak: and stop following me around in advance ;-) |
| 20:32.29 | fcn | blockd, thanks |
| 20:32.30 | Anyone | wykis-x, depends on what you want .. devfs or udev? |
| 20:32.38 | wykis-x | devfs |
| 20:32.38 | bobbens | wykis-x: kernels 2.6.12< don't have devfs anymore, only udev IIRC |
| 20:32.39 | Kovecses | VivekVC, you didnt apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:32.39 | Anyone | wykis-x, I usually do "apt-get install udev". |
| 20:32.45 | resiak | Heffalump: Because Sunday tends to drive the people who know stuff away from the channel because there tends to be an influx of people who don't listen to advice. |
| 20:32.47 | fallonme | resiak: ooh, scrot it's also an imlib app, so it ought to play nice with E. |
| 20:32.55 | wykis-x | Anyone what's udev? |
| 20:32.56 | Heffalump | ah. |
| 20:33.01 | resiak | Heffalump: /msg dpkg sunday :-) |
| 20:33.04 | Anyone | !tell wykis-x about udev |
| 20:33.06 | VivekVC | Kovecses: I did aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 20:33.08 | sylvisj | !udev |
| 20:33.08 | dpkg | i heard udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 |
| 20:33.13 | earthling | Kovecses: gimp is like some kind of overkill for what i need.. |
| 20:33.22 | sylvisj | Gah I got beat to it |
| 20:33.30 | resiak | Heffalump: And sorry for the followage. Anyway, in keeping with that factoid, I'm off to pack to reOxenate. |
| 20:33.31 | sylvisj | Anyway... someone mind helping me upgrade libstdc++6? |
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| 20:33.38 | Kovecses | earthling, ahh it hought you might already have it installed |
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| 20:34.02 | wykis-x | ok so what is happening is i am trying to upgrade from 6.8 to 6.15 |
| 20:34.14 | wykis-x | and i get devfs problem as well as hda interrupts or something |
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| 20:34.15 | Kovecses | VivekVC, etch is horrible right now.... either go with sarge or etch |
| 20:34.28 | wykis-x | i found some solutions but they only apply to the second problem and older kernels |
| 20:34.28 | sylvisj | wyksis-x: Yeah. You really don't want to unless you don't mind putting up with fixxing a lot of broken things. |
| 20:34.30 | VivekVC | ok |
| 20:34.41 | CraZy675 | well I tried 'dpkg-reconfigure xserverfree86' and that didn't work |
| 20:34.48 | resiak | CraZy675: Well, learn to READ. |
| 20:34.49 | sylvisj | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:34.50 | Kovecses | VivekVC, what was wrong with sarge that made you want to upgrade? |
| 20:34.51 | resiak | !drxx CraZy675 |
| 20:34.52 | dpkg | CraZy675: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:35.02 | wykis-x | sylvisj i needed .15 for the Wireless access |
| 20:35.03 | Heffalump | ahah. modprobe from module-init-tools _doesn't_ respect modules.conf. It uses modprobe.d |
| 20:35.04 | wykis-x | :( |
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| 20:35.13 | Heffalump | nice of the modules.conf documentation to explain this. |
| 20:35.17 | sylvisj | Hmm. You've got a hard path ahead of ya, dude. |
| 20:35.21 | sylvisj | I haven't even gotten it working yet. Gave up untili more people try. |
| 20:35.21 | resiak | Heffalump: That's worth knowing. Ace. |
| 20:35.26 | wykis-x | so what should i do now? seems like something is calling devfs instead of udev, what should i change? |
| 20:35.28 | VivekVC | Kovecses: I wanted to install the latest versions of some applications |
| 20:35.36 | Kovecses | VivekVC, like what apps? |
| 20:35.40 | sylvisj | I have no clue. I'm a novice here. |
| 20:35.46 | wykis-x | ;/ |
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| 20:36.07 | centrx | Kovecses, what's wrong with etch? |
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| 20:36.20 | VivekVC | fontforge, kbabel, gtranslator etc |
| 20:36.20 | Kovecses | centrx, tons of missing packages |
| 20:36.21 | centrx | Kovecses, i've been using it continuously for the past several months and have had only one minor problem |
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| 20:36.39 | htedrom | hey all... |
| 20:36.40 | VivekVC | Kovecses: This does not solve my nautilus problems |
| 20:36.41 | centrx | Kovecses, ah, which would be especially problematic if you are installing a new and can't just "keep" the removed packages |
| 20:36.41 | wykis-x | anyone ? ;/ |
| 20:36.45 | htedrom | dhclient didn't work |
| 20:36.50 | Kovecses | centrx, im not saying it runs bad... but there are tons of missing packages |
| 20:36.51 | htedrom | it send a bunch of discovers |
| 20:36.53 | VivekVC | Kovecses: what could be the reason ? |
| 20:36.57 | htedrom | but didn't get any replies |
| 20:37.00 | fallonme | wykis-x: maybe at "/msg dpkg devfs faq"? |
| 20:37.01 | sylvisj | People, I need help upgrading libstdc++ to a new version. Anyone mind helpin me out? |
| 20:37.01 | centrx | Kovecses, understood |
| 20:37.10 | centrx | Kovecses, i have put away my killing weapons |
| 20:37.31 | Kovecses | VivekVC, check the properties of the links |
| 20:37.37 | Kovecses | VivekVC, there not set right] |
| 20:37.49 | fallonme | sylvisj: what's the problem, a locally compiled app? |
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| 20:37.54 | wykis-x | fallonme there's nothing about udev at all |
| 20:37.54 | htedrom | anyone have any ideas? |
| 20:38.11 | htedrom | dhclient didn't work...send a bunch of discovers to no avail |
| 20:38.17 | randomity | htedrom, Is your network actually running DHCP? |
| 20:38.17 | sylvisj | fallonme: Trying to build WINE. It needs a newer version of libstdc++6 than came with the debian installer. |
| 20:38.25 | htedrom | randomity: yea |
| 20:38.35 | htedrom | i'm on windows now, and it's set to obtain ip automatically |
| 20:38.43 | wykis-x | fallonme as well as that - i dont see anyhing about 2.6 kernel, only 2.4 ;p |
| 20:38.45 | randomity | htedrom, are the cables plugged in? |
| 20:38.51 | cahoot | sylvisj: that sounds like a thing youdon't do in debian |
| 20:38.54 | htedrom | randomity: it's this computer |
| 20:38.54 | fallonme | sylvisj: "needs" as in a build-dep, or as in "configure barfs"? |
| 20:38.59 | htedrom | randomity: i'm dual booted |
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| 20:39.30 | randomity | htedrom, what ip address are you being assigned? |
| 20:39.39 | fallonme | wykis-x: it was a wild guess anyway, I don't use that stuff. Sorry. |
| 20:39.56 | sylvisj | fallonme needs as in build-dep |
| 20:39.59 | htedrom | randomity: 192.168.2.179 |
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| 20:40.15 | CraZy675 | how do I find my video card's bus identifier? |
| 20:40.21 | fallonme | sylvisj: so change the debian/control. It will probably work... ;-) |
| 20:40.27 | britt | is the alias eth0:0 or eth0:! |
| 20:40.29 | britt | 0:1 |
| 20:40.34 | quasisane | CraZy675: lspci |
| 20:40.39 | Drakas | ok. :/ |
| 20:40.43 | bbrazil | CraZy675: usually you leave it blank. lspci |
| 20:40.44 | sylvisj | fallonme: Dist upgrade to testing? |
| 20:40.44 | randomity | htedrom, you can still do it manually. Reboot and type as root 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.2.179' and then 'route add default gw 192.168.2.254' |
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| 20:40.55 | fallonme | sylvisj: no, why? |
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| 20:40.59 | CraZy675 | bbrazil: oh ok thanks |
| 20:41.02 | randomity | htedrom, I'm assuming 192.168.2.254 is actually the gateway |
| 20:41.03 | sylvisj | fallonme: no clue what you meant by change debian/control |
| 20:41.10 | Kovecses | VivekVC, did you check them |
| 20:41.19 | bbrazil | CraZy675: unless you have two video cards or something like that (X config) |
| 20:41.22 | fallonme | sylvisj: you're trying to do a backport to stable? |
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| 20:41.30 | htedrom | randomity: no it's 192.168.2.1 but i get the idea...i'll try it out |
| 20:41.56 | htedrom | brb |
| 20:41.59 | sylvisj | fallonme: gah, no I'm on stable. I'm trying to build wine, but it needs a newer version of libstdc++6 than what came with stable. |
| 20:42.01 | VivekVC | location is shown as "/" |
| 20:42.13 | sylvisj | fallonme: Therefore, I need to upgrade the lib and don't know how. |
| 20:42.14 | Kovecses | sylvisj, so get the newer version |
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| 20:42.28 | sylvisj | Again, don't know how. What I have is the newest avail in apt repositories. |
| 20:42.41 | Kovecses | sylvisj, hold on |
| 20:42.53 | resiak | DO NOT INSTALL A NEWER libstdc++ ON SARGE |
| 20:42.56 | CraZy675 | bbrazil: nope i have just a single ati card |
| 20:42.57 | stefan_ | anyone who has a compiled working version of wine that can handle half-life? |
| 20:43.01 | VivekVC | Kovecses: the location is shown as "/" |
| 20:43.02 | Anyone | Actually .. how do I get any help for remote from dpkg? |
| 20:43.09 | fallonme | sylvisj: it should bloody well build, if you have stable deb-src lines in there. |
| 20:43.11 | Anyone | stefan_, nope, I didn't. |
| 20:43.26 | _rene_ | ESPECIALLY SINCE SID/ETCHS ONE ARE BINARY_INCOMPATIBLE WRT THE ALLOCATOR |
| 20:43.26 | Kovecses | sylvisj, what version you need? |
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| 20:43.36 | _rene_ | just don't.. |
| 20:43.45 | VivekVC | Kovecses: You wanted me to right click and choose properties and check the path right ? |
| 20:43.50 | Anyone | stefan_, not to my knowledge, anyhow, I don't own the proprietary gamed mentioned. However, I know there is a fork of wine called cedega, that might interest you! |
| 20:43.58 | Anyone | !tell stefan_ about cedega |
| 20:43.59 | sylvisj | libstdc++6-4.0-dev |
| 20:44.02 | Kovecses | VivekVC, yup ... and also the application |
| 20:44.04 | sylvisj | Kovecses: libstdc++6-4.0-dev |
| 20:44.30 | fallonme | sylvisj: what you really want to do, is build the package using the stable dependencies. That's called a backport. |
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| 20:44.38 | VivekVC | Well I did not get what application you mean, i am simply not able to open the desktop icons |
| 20:44.44 | fallonme | what was it... |
| 20:45.01 | sylvisj | http://winehq.org/site/download-deb These are the instructions I was following. How would I go about what you're saying? |
| 20:45.06 | Kovecses | sylvisj, i found it but .. packages.debian.org is down :( |
| 20:45.09 | fallonme | !backport |
| 20:45.09 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 20:45.45 | sylvisj | Yeah, I noticed it's down. No clue why. |
| 20:45.46 | fallonme | sylvisj: what's the exact command that fails? |
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| 20:46.04 | sylvisj | apt-get build-dep wine |
| 20:46.08 | Kovecses | sylvisj, whats the newest version of wine? |
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| 20:46.54 | fallonme | sylvisj: so ignore that. Use apt-get source wine to download/unpack the source, then take a look at wine-* dir. |
| 20:47.02 | sylvisj | 0.9.6 |
| 20:47.03 | sylvisj | 5 |
| 20:47.05 | sylvisj | 0.9.5 |
| 20:47.13 | sylvisj | Alrighty |
| 20:47.13 | Kovecses | wine sucks |
| 20:47.19 | sylvisj | Wine's needed for my games |
| 20:47.20 | htedrom | randomity: still no dice. something else...when i activate eth0 it keeps saying the kernel is disabling IRQ #6 |
| 20:47.21 | Anyone | Any helps on getting my remote working? It seems like a keyboard .. I guess I just need to reprogram the keys to fit the shortcuts of the program I use to watch TV, right? |
| 20:47.27 | Mute1 | Kovecses: the one which crashes? |
| 20:47.32 | sylvisj | Until a linux port of most of them comes out, anyway. |
| 20:47.33 | htedrom | randomity, or something like that |
| 20:47.33 | Anyone | Kovecses, you prefer beer? |
| 20:47.41 | Kovecses | sylvisj, what games? |
| 20:47.46 | LoonaTick|afk | insmod: error inserting 'tor2.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module <-- anyone know what that message means, generally? |
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| 20:48.05 | sylvisj | World of Warcraft, Warcraft III, CounterStrike: Source, etc. |
| 20:48.20 | Kovecses | sylvisj, all those games run on linux..... lol |
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| 20:48.24 | VivekVC | Kovecses: Well I did not get what application you mean, i am simply not able to open the desktop icons |
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| 20:48.38 | Anyone | LoonaTick|afk, never seen it before, sorry. |
| 20:48.44 | sylvisj | Kovecses... no, they don't. |
| 20:48.49 | VivekVC | Kovecses: sorry for the repeat |
| 20:48.54 | LoonaTick|afk | :( |
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| 20:49.01 | sylvisj | Show me the linux WoW installer. Same for war3. Same for CS:S. |
| 20:49.01 | metho | hello, could some1 please tell me or point to a resource which tells me how to make/configure a website on/through a debian system (any links or external software for that?) |
| 20:49.15 | Anyone | LoonaTick|afk, try a depmod -a and be sure the module fits your kernel version. |
| 20:49.16 | fallonme | sylvisj: you should have debian/ subdir under that. In there, a file called "control". I think there's a list of source dependencies in there. Replace the non-existing-in-sarge packages with the like of them that _do_ exist in sarge. |
| 20:49.18 | VivekVC | I'll brb |
| 20:49.24 | Kovecses | sylvisj, i know for a fact the wow has an installer |
| 20:49.27 | Rescye | Hello, could somebody help me? I can't seem to read off of my Floppy Drive ._. |
| 20:49.35 | sylvisj | Alright, show me the link. (It doesn't have one). |
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| 20:49.52 | sylvisj | fallonme: will try. Then what? |
| 20:50.03 | Mute1 | Rescye: /dev/fd0 |
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| 20:50.17 | Kovecses | sylvisj, its in gentoo's portage |
| 20:50.22 | metho | could i make a webseit and run on/through debain |
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| 20:50.44 | stew | Rescye: what are you trying to do? what error are you getting? |
| 20:50.49 | stew | metho: of course |
| 20:50.50 | blockd | Rescye: a little more information would be useful. E.g., how you're trying to access it. What the error is, if you're getting a message etc. Did you mount it first? |
| 20:50.53 | sylvisj | Kovecses, that's gentoo, not debian. That's portage, not apt. Show me a way to make use of it and I will. |
| 20:50.55 | stefan_ | sylvisj, do you have half-life working via wine? I've some problems to get it working, I've changed to openGL in the gamemenu but when i start the game i get somehing like "the selectet openGL mode is not supported by your video card" (I have compiled my own wine to get openGL support) |
| 20:51.07 | Rescye | stew: It just won't open it, via the File System GUI on Gnome, nor Open Office, nor any other program |
| 20:51.08 | Kovecses | sylvisj, your being gay |
| 20:51.12 | metho | stew: how m8, any useful links or any information on that |
| 20:51.20 | Kovecses | sylvisj, its out there .... im not gonna look for you |
| 20:51.28 | sylvisj | stefan_, this is a fresh install of linux. I'm just now getting wine on here. CS:S worked last time I tried it, though - it was a wile ago, admittedly. |
| 20:51.37 | sylvisj | Kovecses: doubtful. |
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| 20:51.54 | aladds | can anyone tell me why my hp pa-risc 712/80 won't boot the sarge installer? |
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| 20:52.03 | Kovecses | sylvisj, did you check out the loki installer site |
| 20:52.08 | fallonme | sylvisj: you install the missing build-deps by hand with apt-get install <packages>, then try to build the package by running "dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc" from the source directory. |
| 20:52.28 | metho | stew: how can i setup a website on debian so other people can see it |
| 20:52.33 | Kovecses | aladds, did you check to see if you bios is set to boot from cd |
| 20:52.53 | sylvisj | Kovecses, wtf is that? |
| 20:52.55 | blondie | metho: install apache |
| 20:52.57 | Rescye | stew: It just won't open it, via the File System GUI on Gnome, nor Open Office, nor any other program * |
| 20:53.06 | sylvisj | fallonme: alrighty. |
| 20:53.10 | Anyone | aladds, I can't tell you unless I make a lucky guess, I am afraid. |
| 20:53.18 | blockd | Rescye: you might try seeing if you can open it from the terminal. |
| 20:53.19 | aladds | Kovecses: the hp doesn;t have a bios, i told it to boot from the cd in the pdc but it fails just after loading the kernel |
| 20:53.20 | fallonme | sylvisj: The proceduse to do backports might be better explained in "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" or related factoids. |
| 20:53.28 | Kovecses | sylvisj, loki .... they make all sorts of linux installers for windows games... but you know everything so you should have known that |
| 20:53.31 | metho | blondie: is there a guide on setting up a site on apacher, i have apache2 installed |
| 20:53.31 | Rescye | blockd: via /dev/fd0 ? |
| 20:53.39 | blockd | Rescye: if it's /media/floppy0, then try 'mount /media/flopp0' |
| 20:53.40 | Anyone | aladds, are you using grub to boot? |
| 20:53.43 | blockd | *floppy0 |
| 20:53.44 | sylvisj | You should know I don't know everything, or I wouldn't be here for help. |
| 20:53.46 | Mute1 | Rescye: are you in group floppy? |
| 20:53.46 | aladds | Anyone: no |
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| 20:53.56 | Rescye | blockd: Alright, I'll try that, thx. |
| 20:53.57 | blockd | Rescye: you can check in your /etc/fstab file |
| 20:53.58 | Kovecses | aladds, did you try the boot option ... linux26 |
| 20:53.59 | fallonme | sylvisj: oh, and did you know that WineHQ have their own .deb packages now? |
| 20:54.01 | blondie | metho: put content in /var/www and go to http://yourhostnameorIP |
| 20:54.01 | Anyone | aladds, some proprietary bootloader? |
| 20:54.14 | aladds | Anyone: it uses the palo bootloader for hp pa-risc systems |
| 20:54.23 | Kovecses | rofl |
| 20:54.36 | resiak | sylvisj: http://www.liflg.org # i see no WoW installer there, FWIW |
| 20:54.39 | Anyone | aladds, do you know for sure that this bootloader supports booting GNU/Linux ? |
| 20:54.45 | metho | blondie: OK!!! |
| 20:54.48 | aladds | Anyone: yes |
| 20:54.54 | sylvisj | Lol, loki has nothing that I use. |
| 20:54.54 | Rescye | blockd: After mount /media/floppy0 it just stays there, a new line dosn't come up, it dosn't do anything |
| 20:54.57 | Anyone | aladds, so what goes wrong? |
| 20:54.58 | aladds | Anyone: it's an official debian cd |
| 20:55.03 | sylvisj | fallonme: yeah, but they won't work on sarge. |
| 20:55.03 | Kovecses | aladds, did you try the boot option ... linux26 |
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| 20:55.14 | aladds | Kovecses: where from? |
| 20:55.31 | Anyone | aladds, you're trying to boot from the CD? |
| 20:55.33 | blockd | Rescye: stays there == it hangs and the mount command doesn't exit? |
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| 20:55.36 | Kovecses | when the cd loads |
| 20:55.37 | aladds | Anyone: yes |
| 20:55.46 | aladds | the cd loads up |
| 20:55.48 | aladds | palo loads |
| 20:55.54 | Rescye | blockd: I know the mount command exists, but yeah, it just hangs.. it dosn't do anything |
| 20:55.57 | aladds | then it presents me with boot paramaters |
| 20:55.57 | Kovecses | aladds, instead of just hitting enter... type linux26 |
| 20:56.05 | Anyone | aladds, there are more than one way to make a bootable CD. Not all systems supports all ways.. |
| 20:56.15 | blockd | Rescye: I dunno, sorry. Maybe the disk drive is damaged. Just a wild guess. |
| 20:56.20 | sses | Kovecses: is that Kovec a last name? I know a Kobec family |
| 20:56.31 | Kovecses | yes thats my last name |
| 20:56.33 | Rescye | blockd: damn. thx tho |
| 20:56.39 | Anyone | aladds, your hardware isn't x86 compatible, lest its already booted, is it? |
| 20:56.41 | aladds | Kovecses, Anyone: the boot method is completely different to normal pcs |
| 20:56.47 | Althaser | can I see the log of shutdown ? please |
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| 20:56.56 | Rescye | [GAMSG] Going To Shutdown Computer for Inspecition of Inner Workings |
| 20:56.57 | fallonme | sylvisj: I see, they're for unstable too. |
| 20:57.01 | sylvisj | True. |
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| 20:57.10 | Anyone | aladds, I've seen HPUX boxes boot ... |
| 20:57.12 | aladds | Anyone: it used to boot HP-UX, but the hd died |
| 20:57.15 | ttick | I have CVS set up so developers can use SSH tunneling to get to the Rep. The usernames are in /etc/passwd and their shell is /bin/false since I don't want them logging into anything other than CVS. But I'm trying to set them up so they can use their ssh-public key so they don't have to type their passwd all the time. But when they "cat - >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys" it obviously doesn't ahve a home directory to go to. Where else can I |
| 20:57.21 | sses | What type of name is Kovec? My friend doesn't know but thinks it was spelled different than Kobec |
| 20:57.28 | sylvisj | ok... fallonme, can you re-explain that procedure in another channel? Everything I was reading got erased by the excess chat here, and I don't have logs |
| 20:57.42 | Anyone | aladds, you need a debian that is compiled for your hardware.. |
| 20:57.45 | fallonme | sylvisj: private /msg ? |
| 20:57.48 | resiak | sylvisj: page up? |
| 20:57.49 | bbrazil | ttick: stunnel? |
| 20:57.51 | aladds | Anyone: which i have |
| 20:57.56 | Anyone | aladds, oh ok :) |
| 20:58.02 | aladds | :) |
| 20:58.03 | ttick | bbrazil: stunnel? Huh? |
| 20:58.08 | Anyone | aladds, so, the problem is to boot from the CD? |
| 20:58.12 | aladds | yes |
| 20:58.14 | sylvisj | fallonme: sure. |
| 20:58.17 | sylvisj | resiak: it's all gone. |
| 20:58.19 | bbrazil | ttick: esentially SSL the cvs server |
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| 20:58.27 | ttick | bbrazil: ssh tunneling: CVS_RSH=ssh and using :ext: |
| 20:58.32 | aladds | Anyone: it loads the kernel, but it doesn;t actually boot |
| 20:58.39 | aladds | it just sits there |
| 20:58.40 | Anyone | aladds, reading the manual to your proprietary bootloader might reveal how to boot from the CD? |
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| 20:58.51 | Anyone | aladds, Oh .. so it boots, it just doesn't work? |
| 20:58.54 | aladds | Anyone: i followed all the instructions |
| 20:59.00 | aladds | Anyone: yes |
| 20:59.04 | ttick | bbrazil: yes, I have it set up to ssh tunnel. Just want to make it so they don't have to type their passwords in all the time -- for every single command. |
| 20:59.12 | bbrazil | ttick: you'll probably have to give them homedirs |
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| 20:59.19 | stew | stew: setting CVS_RSH on debian is only needed if you actually have rsh installed and it is the configured alternative for rsh, otherwise rsh run ssh as is |
| 20:59.24 | ttick | bbrazil: hmm, okay. :/ |
| 20:59.39 | Anyone | aladds, as someone already mentioned. There will be a "boot: " prompt very soon after trying to boot. in this prompt, you type "linux26 expert" |
| 21:00.02 | aladds | Anyone: it doesnt have that prompt |
| 21:00.03 | Anyone | aladds, there is no cursor, you just have to bilndtype |
| 21:00.23 | Anyone | blindtype, even. |
| 21:00.43 | Anyone | If you wait too long, the prompt will disappear. |
| 21:00.51 | aladds | as i say, it uses palo |
| 21:00.51 | aladds | http://www.pateam.org/parisc-linux-boot/PA-RISC-Linux-Boot-HOWTO/palo.html |
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| 21:01.16 | Anyone | oh |
| 21:01.24 | Anyone | sorry ... I am thinking lilo .. |
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| 21:01.40 | aladds | Anyone: thats ok :) |
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| 21:02.25 | Anyone | aladds, here is a doc how to enter your boot prompt in palo: http://www.pateam.org/parisc-linux-boot/PA-RISC-Linux-Boot-HOWTO/bootadmin.html#enterbootadmin |
| 21:02.52 | Anyone | aladds, when you made it .. try and type "help" |
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| 21:03.18 | Anyone | aladds, then type "bootinfo" |
| 21:03.32 | randomity | htedrom, networking up yet? |
| 21:03.53 | aladds | Anyone: thats the pdc, i'm in palo, which i load from the pdc |
| 21:03.59 | Anyone | aladds, nice to see that not everyone uses cheap PC hardware. |
| 21:04.07 | aladds | Anyone: :-) |
| 21:04.16 | LoonaTick|afk | fg |
| 21:04.18 | aladds | Anyone: this was actually pretty cheap |
| 21:04.20 | LoonaTick|afk | oops |
| 21:04.21 | LoonaTick|afk | :) |
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| 21:04.39 | Anyone | aladds, well, only pricewise, I am sure. ;-) |
| 21:04.49 | aladds | Anyone: true, true |
| 21:05.11 | Anyone | aladds, what does "bootinfo" give you? |
| 21:05.25 | randomity | htedrom, still here? |
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| 21:06.26 | aladds | Anyone: i have a different pa-risc box with an older version of the firmware, i don't get the menu, nor is there a help section |
| 21:07.00 | aladds | but i have just booted palo again, where are disks usually located? |
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| 21:07.15 | aladds | *ramdisks |
| 21:07.20 | aladds | and the kernel |
| 21:07.22 | aladds | on the cd |
| 21:07.23 | aladds | :p |
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| 21:08.17 | Drakas | :/ |
| 21:08.18 | diam | hi |
| 21:08.32 | Drakas | ok, i still have the devfs problem in 2.6.15 |
| 21:08.32 | stew | ugh this is so annoying, for some reason this bios wont let me put a scsi cdrom before the scsi harddisk in the boot order |
| 21:08.34 | CraZy675 | what command do I use to find where a program(such as firefox) is installed? |
| 21:08.44 | Drakas | any ideas how to get around it, i dont have any idea of what to do |
| 21:08.50 | stew | and the harddisk isn't booting, so i can't boot to a cdrom to fix it |
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| 21:09.15 | stew | it will let me put an ide cdrom earlier in to boot order, but the machine doesn't even have an ide controller |
| 21:09.22 | stefan_ | I've just herd about Cedega but it seams that you have to pay to get it?! is that true? Is there anotherway I can get Cedega 4.4.1 or similar? |
| 21:09.42 | thingfish | CraZy675: try dpkg -L mozilla-firefox |
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| 21:09.59 | Anyone | aladds, I don't know this paticular version of the bootdisk. |
| 21:10.07 | Anyone | aladds, maybe join #debian-boot |
| 21:10.17 | Anyone | aladds, (sorry for not thinking about this before now) |
| 21:10.23 | CraZy675 | thingfish: okay will try |
| 21:10.33 | aladds | ok, thanks :) |
| 21:10.41 | Anyone | stefan_, you can try and get an unlicenced version, but that happens to be illegal in many countries. |
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| 21:11.15 | stefan_ | Anyone, do you know how to get that? |
| 21:11.42 | Anyone | stefan_, I don't have cedega. |
| 21:11.54 | Anyone | stefan_, I have considered buying it though. |
| 21:12.04 | SerajewelKS | how do i specify a package version to download when two packages with the same name are in different repositories? is it 'apt-get install package-version' or 'apt-get install package_version' or... |
| 21:12.05 | dougl | trying to follow howto regarding automake1.8 and deb keeps telling me I need a name and path... I dunno the path =>http://pastebin.com/496870 |
| 21:12.39 | stew | SerajewelKS: apt-get install pacakge=version |
| 21:12.49 | SerajewelKS | stew: thanks |
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| 21:13.15 | Anyone | stefan_, then again .. I only play Enemy Territory and Americas Army, both are available for GNU/Linux gratis. |
| 21:13.25 | stew | dougl: try update-alternatives --config automake |
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| 21:13.32 | stefan_ | Anyone, It feels shitty to run debian and pay for software.. hmm what do you think the people here think of me if i write something lik: ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO GET Cedega 4.4.1 FOR FREE? (as in free speach AND free beer) |
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| 21:13.42 | dougl | stew: thanks |
| 21:13.55 | Anyone | stew, you have any (reading) tips for getting the remote working better? (I am able to change channels already) |
| 21:14.07 | stew | Anyone: what remote? |
| 21:14.11 | gravity | stefan_: Download it from their cvs repo and build it yourself |
| 21:14.18 | Estes | Anyone, gratis ?? url please ? |
| 21:14.24 | Anyone | stew, hauppage |
| 21:14.30 | Anyone | stefan_, cedega isn't free. |
| 21:14.35 | Anyone | stefan_, in either meaning. |
| 21:14.36 | SerajewelKS | stefan_: you can get it legally free, minus the copy-protection code |
| 21:14.48 | stew | Anyone: dunno i've never tried to use the remote? what do you mean by "better"? |
| 21:14.51 | dougl | stew: set --config automake |
| 21:14.51 | dougl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.53 | Anyone | SerajewelKS, you sure? |
| 21:14.58 | gravity | I didn't find it that useful without the copy protection code myself |
| 21:15.05 | stefan_ | gravity, is it just "./Configure" "make" and "make install"? |
| 21:15.08 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.12 | Anyone | stefan_, oh ok .. well, I want to enable the mute key, and the power off key (to close the program) |
| 21:15.13 | ttick | NOthsouth: anyone know how to invalidate all the CVS/Root entries in one cvs command? (if the Repository changed location) |
| 21:15.16 | gravity | stefan_: How about you read the instructions? |
| 21:15.19 | SerajewelKS | stefan_, Anyone: i'm don't know the exact terms of the license, but the cvs repo is free beer without copy-protection (meaning you need no-cd patches for games with protection) |
| 21:15.30 | SerajewelKS | s/i'm/i/ |
| 21:15.38 | ttick | [OT] anyone know how to invalidate all the CVS/Root entries in one cvs command? (if the Repository changed location) |
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| 21:16.18 | stew | s/e/a/ |
| 21:16.20 | Anyone | ttick, cvs status doesn't do the trick? |
| 21:16.24 | stew | wow, that is annoying |
| 21:16.39 | ttick | Anyone: haven't tried that. okay, I'll check that out. Thanks. |
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| 21:17.06 | dougl | apt: stew thanks I got to select it - thank you :) |
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| 21:17.29 | ttick | Anyone: hmm, well, that gave me all teh file's status. But didnt' change all the CVS/Root files. :/ |
| 21:17.55 | Anyone | ttick, I probably don't understand what you want to do. |
| 21:18.03 | Anyone | ttick, maybe cvs login can help ? |
| 21:18.17 | ttick | Anyone: the repository moved. So, now all teh CVS/Root point to the wrong place. |
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| 21:18.54 | ttick | Anyone: I'd like to change them all w/o writing a 'find' script. :) |
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| 21:19.02 | sobersabre | hello. the truth has won: Debian is better off on amd64 than ubuntus |
| 21:19.11 | stew | ttick: create /tmp/Root with the correct location, then find -name Root -path \*CVS\* -exec cp /tmp/Root {} \; |
| 21:19.14 | sobersabre | at least now I have a gdb. |
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| 21:19.34 | ttick | stew: yeah, just thought there might be a 'cvs' way to do this. :/ |
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| 21:22.03 | stew | ttick: if you are really against using find you could alwas "ls **/CVS/Root | xargs -n1 cp /tmp/Root" :) |
| 21:22.31 | SerajewelKS | where does dpkg keep its log again? |
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| 21:22.50 | Anyone | stew: I have keycode 160 (from xev), and I want to make it emit an "m" for instance. Can I do this with xmodmap, or how would I do it? |
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| 21:22.54 | stew | SerajewelKS: /var/log/dpkg |
| 21:22.56 | stew | .log |
| 21:22.57 | ttick | stew: lol, no, not against using find. Just thought there'd be a cvs way to do it. Thanks, though. |
| 21:23.01 | sandbot | /autolog on |
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| 21:23.20 | stew | Anyone: yes, with xmodmap |
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| 21:23.55 | stefan_ | gravity, I'm sorry but I cant find their "cvs repo", you know where to download? |
| 21:24.03 | SerajewelKS | stew: ls: /var/log/dpkg*: No such file or directory |
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| 21:24.17 | gravity | stefan_: No |
| 21:24.23 | ubu | newbie:please don't scold me! googled already! question: I want to add xine "repository" so that I can access it via apt-get. How to do that??? |
| 21:24.26 | gravity | stefan_: I haven't looked in years |
| 21:24.28 | stew | SerajewelKS: dpkg doesn't log in sarge |
| 21:24.37 | SerajewelKS | ubu: xine is in debian |
| 21:24.39 | stew | SerajewelKS: it wasn't added until 1.13 iirc |
| 21:24.44 | SerajewelKS | stew: gah... |
| 21:24.51 | ubu | debian meaning? |
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| 21:24.59 | SerajewelKS | ubu: debian |
| 21:25.11 | stew | ubu: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:25.17 | SerajewelKS | stew: xine is in debian |
| 21:25.21 | stew | oh |
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| 21:25.28 | ubu | my distribution is ubuntu. Doesn' communicate with debian? |
| 21:25.37 | SerajewelKS | ubu: then why are you in #debian |
| 21:25.47 | stew | ubu: wrong channel, try #ubuntu |
| 21:25.47 | blondie | !ubuntu |
| 21:25.47 | dpkg | from memory, ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 21:25.51 | ubu | because the builder of xine uses debian |
| 21:26.03 | centrx | ubu it may or may not work without tinkering |
| 21:26.10 | SerajewelKS | ubu: try: apt-get install xine-ui |
| 21:26.15 | SerajewelKS | ubu: if that doesn't work, ask #ubuntu |
| 21:26.18 | stew | SerajewelKS: xine is not in debian |
| 21:26.20 | metho | is it possible to run two mail-servers on one machine????? |
| 21:26.23 | SerajewelKS | stew: xine-ui |
| 21:26.29 | SerajewelKS | !info xine-ui sarge |
| 21:26.37 | ubu | thanks |
| 21:26.39 | htedrom | hey all, i'm having serious problems getting my network working on my fresh sarge install |
| 21:26.40 | dpkg | xine-ui: (the xine video player, user interface), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.99.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1691 kB, Installed size: 3368 kB |
| 21:26.44 | stew | ahh |
| 21:26.48 | kspath | metho: yes, enjoy |
| 21:26.58 | htedrom | my network uses dhcp, but dhclient isn't working |
| 21:27.05 | htedrom | nor can i set it up manually with ifconfig/route |
| 21:27.06 | kspath | metho: you are only limited by your drive space and RAM and swap enjoy |
| 21:27.08 | streuner | stew: since when is xine NOT in debian? |
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| 21:27.15 | metho | kspath: how and what software is required!!! |
| 21:27.18 | stew | streuner: since i don't know what i'm talking about |
| 21:27.36 | streuner | that happens mostly |
| 21:27.36 | htedrom | anyone? |
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| 21:27.47 | kspath | metho: exim postfix qmail sendmail courier dovecot ejoy |
| 21:28.12 | SerajewelKS | metho: on different ports, sure. they can't both be using port 25 obviously. |
| 21:28.15 | Silent_al | which command shows me my motherboard model? :) |
| 21:28.23 | nandro | says on the ubuntu web site under about "Ubuntu is a free, open source operating system that starts with the breadth of Debian" |
| 21:28.33 | Zugschlus | !dpkg start an mta war |
| 21:28.33 | dpkg | postfix systems are liable to be r00ted |
| 21:28.37 | nandro | so I cann see where people see the connection |
| 21:28.41 | SerajewelKS | metho: but since mx records don't let you specify a port, running two on one box is stupid |
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| 21:28.53 | SerajewelKS | nandro: we see the connection too |
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| 21:29.01 | SerajewelKS | nandro: a connection is not enough for us to support it however |
| 21:29.04 | zinx | nandro: there are a lot of free, open source operating systems that start with debian |
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| 21:29.12 | stew | metho: you will not be able to install two different mtas using debian pacakges without chrooting at least one of them |
| 21:29.12 | nandro | very true |
| 21:29.14 | zinx | nandro: none of them are debian any longer. they *started* with debian. |
| 21:29.33 | nandro | and having tried ubuntu, I see nothing about it that dosent just complicate things |
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| 21:29.53 | nandro | why not just put the effort into a better debian |
| 21:29.57 | SerajewelKS | metho: try asking a different question, like "i'm trying to accomplish X. how would i do that?" you might not need two servers to do what you want, unless your end goal is to be running two mail servers. |
| 21:29.58 | metho | cheers for ur help!!! |
| 21:30.11 | zinx | nandro: because people are different |
| 21:30.26 | zinx | nandro: they have different needs, different ideas of how things should be run |
| 21:30.28 | nandro | agreed |
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| 21:30.52 | zinx | nandro: it would be pointless to put that effort in to fighting over stuff in debian, rather than putting it in to something where it actually gets done :) |
| 21:31.09 | nandro | but it will bring issues down the line with the saying of being based on debian as they begin to differ more |
| 21:31.17 | valdyn | nandro: no |
| 21:31.27 | zinx | nandro: none of them say they're debian, to my knowledge |
| 21:31.40 | valdyn | nandro: read how ubuntu does it: they try to keep differences small and they resync after each release |
| 21:31.43 | zinx | nandro: the problem there is stupid users who think they're exactly alike even though the pages say they aren't. |
| 21:31.56 | kspath | all the world needs is some more wanna bee email admins when are are plenty of experienced unemployed ones |
| 21:31.59 | valdyn | nandro: and every diff is available |
| 21:32.00 | nandro | opening paragraph http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu |
| 21:32.03 | zinx | and yeah, most debian-based distros do keep up-to-date with debian's packages |
| 21:32.20 | nandro | makes it sound like a glorified debian |
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| 21:32.34 | valdyn | nandro: in the end, every difference they add, adds work for them |
| 21:32.42 | ttick | I'm sshed into another machine and I can use backspace on the comamnd line, but in VIM it give me ^? my term is rxvt. Any suggestions? |
| 21:33.02 | Silent_al | which command shows me info. about my motherboard model? :) |
| 21:33.21 | valdyn | Silent_al: dmidecode |
| 21:33.38 | valdyn | Silent_al: im not sure why that would matter though |
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| 21:34.35 | Anyone | htedrom? |
| 21:34.44 | Anyone | stew, Thanks! |
| 21:35.01 | Silent_al | valdyn, you're a life saver :) thanx , i wanna know if my motherboard will support 80GB HD's ... its kinda old (p-II ) |
| 21:35.40 | valdyn | Silent_al: iirc that is a bios thing, linux will support those disks even on old hardware |
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| 21:36.01 | metho | Serajewelks: maybe i dont need two mail servers, all i need is two differnet addres for example user@metho.com and user@metho.home.com (is that possible |
| 21:36.02 | lindenle | can anyone give me a working /etc/network interfaces stanza for a madwifi card |
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| 21:36.31 | lemsto | hey guys |
| 21:36.33 | valdyn | Silent_al: bios thing meaning, that booting off such a disk could be a problem, but linux can use it once its booted. |
| 21:36.42 | SerajewelKS | metho: postfix |
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| 21:37.01 | lindenle | meth0: You can also do this with sendmail |
| 21:37.05 | lemsto | we're trying to translate something on #debian-fr... is "Everyone has been given an access code to log in" correct? |
| 21:37.09 | stefan_ | how do I format a ntfs-hd to ext-3 (correct name of the linux filesystem?) I want to have it as a second hd.. |
| 21:37.20 | nandro | is it easier to use samba on a regular home network with say 4 machines if the linux box is the samba server? |
| 21:37.20 | Silent_al | valdyn, well im planing to boot from my old disks . :) |
| 21:37.39 | SerajewelKS | metho: postfix is easier to configure for virtual domains IMO |
| 21:37.39 | metho | Serajewelks: could u please tell me how or where i can info on postfix about two different addresses, i looked at everything but no luck |
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| 21:37.50 | SerajewelKS | metho: google debian postfix isp |
| 21:38.00 | lindenle | SerajewelKS: agreed |
| 21:38.07 | lindenle | SerajewelKS: just providing info |
| 21:38.12 | SerajewelKS | metho: should be the second hit |
| 21:38.15 | nkuttler | stefan_: man mkfs.ext3 |
| 21:38.18 | masf | what is the command again to get instructions from dpkg about how to update the gpg key fur apt-get update? |
| 21:38.25 | SerajewelKS | masf: /topic |
| 21:38.27 | valdyn | stefan_: whichever filesystem was on that disk does not matter, run fdisk to create partitions, run mkfs.ext3 on a partition to format it |
| 21:38.35 | nkuttler | stefan_: it's not relevant what fs is on it, btw |
| 21:38.37 | metho | Serajewelks: thanks!!! |
| 21:38.40 | masf | doh, hehe |
| 21:38.43 | SerajewelKS | metho: np |
| 21:38.45 | masf | thanks SerajewelKS |
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| 21:38.50 | SerajewelKS | masf: np |
| 21:38.55 | Silent_al | valdyn, but im not sure if the bios will identify the 80BG HD. |
| 21:39.02 | Silent_al | GB* |
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| 21:39.41 | valdyn | Silent_al: best you try really, in any case it should detect it, it might just not be able to address it properly, but that doesnt matter once linux is booted |
| 21:39.45 | stefan_ | nkuttler, do I enter the mouted drive in terminal and type mkfs.ext3? how do I name the disk, maby afterwords? |
| 21:40.19 | nkuttler | stefan_: no, do not mount it. read the man page. that will destroy all data that is on the drive |
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| 21:41.14 | Silent_al | valdyn, thanx , will try . :) |
| 21:41.17 | nkuttler | stefan_: mkfs will destroy the data, not mounting it... |
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| 21:41.45 | metho | Serajewelks: i think postifx wants me to install mysql for virtual hosts, is that right |
| 21:41.47 | stefan_ | nkuttler, can I change it whithout erasing all data? do i typ something like mkfs.ext3 /dev/hd1? |
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| 21:42.02 | SerajewelKS | metho: that's the most flexible way to do it, yes |
| 21:42.09 | nkuttler | stefan_: make a backup, mkfs, restore the backup |
| 21:42.27 | kag1 | I sent an email to debian-users (*hours* ago) it hasn't shown up, how long should I wait ? |
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| 21:42.43 | metho | Serajewelks: can i use postgresql instead?? |
| 21:42.44 | SerajewelKS | kag1: are you subscribed to the list? |
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| 21:43.07 | SerajewelKS | metho: yes, but you're on your own then as far as that tutorial goes |
| 21:43.23 | stefan_ | nkuttler, I've alreade backed up all files on the disc, but is mkfs.ext3 /dev/hd1 correct if the disc is hd1? |
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| 21:43.36 | metho | Serajewelks: alrite than i better go with mysql, lol |
| 21:43.57 | SerajewelKS | metho: it's not too different afaik but there will be some changes |
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| 21:44.16 | kag1 | SerajewelKS: i subscribed just before from a gmail account, I'm getting mailsfrom the list. Are some messages manually moderated? |
| 21:44.31 | SerajewelKS | kag1: i dunno, the list has been flaky for me too |
| 21:44.58 | hanasaki | SerajewelKS: from kansas? |
| 21:45.04 | SerajewelKS | hanasaki: no |
| 21:45.13 | SerajewelKS | why do people keep asking me that |
| 21:45.13 | hanasaki | k... just curious |
| 21:45.24 | abrotman | noone is actually from kansas.. they're just sent thier to live out thier sentences |
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| 21:45.54 | metho | np, cheers for ur help |
| 21:46.06 | SerajewelKS | people seem to assume that i'm a female from kansas. i'm a male from indiana. |
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| 21:46.07 | kspath | You know what is in Kansas? |
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| 21:46.17 | kspath | WHEAT! and some corn |
| 21:46.27 | stew | and peterS |
| 21:46.29 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: SerajewelKS is a male from Indiana. So stop asking. |
| 21:46.29 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: okay |
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| 21:47.13 | peterS | yes, and peterS |
| 21:47.27 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: do you hate basketball ? |
| 21:47.36 | peterS | also a lot of those little oil wells that look like they're humpin' the ground |
| 21:47.41 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i'm completely indifferent to it |
| 21:48.04 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: do you eat the cow brain sandwiches ? |
| 21:48.08 | kspath | peterS: they are humping dead dinosaurs |
| 21:48.17 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: not to my knowledge |
| 21:48.28 | kspath | head cheese! |
| 21:48.31 | peterS | maybe that's it |
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| 21:49.07 | abrotman | kspath: no .. i mean the real cow brain sandwiches .. apparently it's something they eat in some parts of IN/IL |
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| 21:49.32 | stew | that's mad |
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| 21:49.41 | peterS | mad like a cow? |
| 21:49.41 | stefan_ | "Denna APT har Speciella Ko-Krafter." |
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| 21:49.44 | kspath | lol prion disease |
| 21:49.56 | [necro] | i've apt-get installed'ed libgtk2.0-dev however I do not seem to have the gtk-config binary. does anyone know what package i need to apt-get install for it? |
| 21:49.57 | SerajewelKS | !moo |
| 21:49.58 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 21:49.58 | stew | stefan_: apt-get moo |
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| 21:50.04 | kspath | !ewe |
| 21:50.04 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 21:50.12 | abrotman | !tell [necro] about search |
| 21:50.20 | stefan_ | stew, haha |
| 21:50.24 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: like i said, not to my knowledge |
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| 21:50.30 | peterS | abrotman: unfortunately packages.debian.org is down at the moment :/ |
| 21:50.42 | [necro] | abrotman, apt-cache search gtk-config yields no results. |
| 21:51.01 | stefan_ | stew, can you do anythin funny whith the mooing cow? |
| 21:51.03 | stew | [necro]: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 21:51.06 | SerajewelKS | !find /gtk-config |
| 21:51.08 | abrotman | [necro]: try apt-file |
| 21:51.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/gtk-config' (3): (/usr/bin/gtk-config) in oldlibs/libgtk1.2-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/libgtk1.2-doc/gtk-config.txt.gz) in oldlibs/libgtk1.2-doc ;; (/usr/share/icons/gartoon/scalable/stock/gtk-configure.svg) in gnome/gnome-icon-theme-gartoon. |
| 21:51.22 | abrotman | peterS: the factoid tells you numerous ways . .including apt-file/dpkg |
| 21:51.26 | kspath | cowsay moo |
| 21:51.30 | peterS | [necro]: probably libgtk2.0-bin - those -bin packages are a good place to look for 'executable stuff that pertains to such-and-such library' |
| 21:51.31 | stew | stefan_: i cannot |
| 21:52.03 | [necro] | libgtk2.0-bin is already the newest version. <-- checked that already |
| 21:52.11 | [necro] | apt-file search gtk-config also yields no results |
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| 21:52.13 | Anyone | [necro], try "apt-cache search gtk-config" or even better, install apt-file and do "apt-file search gtk-config" |
| 21:52.16 | stefan_ | stew, okay, maby there's some fun things to to like with cowsay... |
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| 21:52.36 | jobezone | libgtk1.2-dev ? |
| 21:52.40 | Anyone | [necro], but I don't know actually. |
| 21:52.51 | stew | stefan_: aptitude moo ; aptitude -v moo ; aptitude -vv moo ; etc |
| 21:52.58 | jobezone | the above result gave that package. |
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| 21:53.01 | [necro] | trying libgtk1.2-dev |
| 21:53.22 | peterS | [necro]: right, if you don't know whether you want gtk 1.2 or gtk 2.0, I suggest you find out. packages are specific to one or the other |
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| 21:53.34 | abrotman | [necro]: after you install apt-file .. you have to apt-file update before you can use it |
| 21:53.36 | [necro] | peters, i was under the impression that gtk2 also have gtk-config |
| 21:53.44 | stefan_ | stew, haha the guys behind this is really really genius |
| 21:53.48 | peterS | [necro]: I think gtk 2 switched over to pkg-config |
| 21:53.54 | stew | [necro]: what are you trying to compile? is it something already packaged for debian? |
| 21:53.57 | [necro] | abrotman: gotcha. done, thanks |
| 21:54.19 | [necro] | stew: gnutella, newest version. the one in stable complains that its ancient. and when iforce it to run - it doesnt seem to be working |
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| 21:55.07 | stew | [necro]: you can apt-get build-dep gtk-gnutella ; and it should isntall everything you need to compile, but i'd suggest instead that you use the precompiled version from backports.org |
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| 21:55.55 | stefan_ | stew, is aptitude a command to find eastereggs for many programs? |
| 21:55.56 | GraveDigger | hi there |
| 21:56.00 | [necro] | stew, apt-get build-dep gtk-gnutella <-- wouldnt this be the ancient version that comes with stable? |
| 21:56.10 | stew | [necro]: actually maybe backports doesn't have one, i thought it did |
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| 21:56.30 | stew | [necro]: that is just going to install the things needed to build it, like the gtk libs you are looking for |
| 21:56.38 | stew | !aptitude |
| 21:56.38 | dpkg | well, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 21:56.44 | [necro] | oh, i see. thanks |
| 21:56.52 | SerajewelKS | girlfs? |
| 21:56.59 | SerajewelKS | grilfs? |
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| 21:57.06 | jobezone | !grilfs |
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| 21:57.22 | jobezone | girl filesystems? |
| 21:57.28 | stefan_ | dpkg, Isn't apt-get enaught? |
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| 21:57.42 | SerajewelKS | grill filesystems? |
| 21:57.44 | Cresus | Hello |
| 21:58.06 | jae | I don't want to grill my filesystems, I'm happy they work ;-) |
| 21:58.06 | skon | How do I restart the Bastille module? |
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| 21:58.16 | loply | I have a Debian (Stable) server which reports lots (20+) packages "Held Back" when I try an "apt-get upgrade"... This server was installed about a year ago, is the only way to fix this to do an "apt-get dist-upgrade"? What does it mean? |
| 21:58.22 | stefan_ | dpkg, or maby I'm completly lost now.. |
| 21:58.33 | stew | !what are you |
| 21:58.33 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 21:58.34 | SerajewelKS | loply: it means that stable is now sarge |
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| 21:58.53 | stew | loply: "apt-get install packagename" is another way, /msg dpkg held back |
| 21:58.59 | loply | SerajewelKS: I thought that was it - So is the version im using no longer being updated? |
| 21:59.16 | stefan_ | !what the hell |
| 21:59.16 | dpkg | This! |
| 21:59.17 | SerajewelKS | loply: no, it is being updated, but you're pinned to 'stable', and stable changed |
| 21:59.34 | stefan_ | haha dpkg really got me there |
| 21:59.34 | SerajewelKS | loply: if you were pinned to 'woody' then you still be using woody |
| 21:59.38 | loply | SerajewelKS: Ah, so I can change my sources.list to point to the specific name, rather than just to "stable"? |
| 21:59.46 | SerajewelKS | loply: in general yes |
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| 21:59.55 | loply | okay, that sounds like a plan |
| 21:59.59 | SerajewelKS | loply: unless you've pulled in a lot of sarge packages.. then things may get a little hairy |
| 22:00.13 | loply | I dont believe I have (certainly havent installed any packages lately) |
| 22:00.15 | jobezone | packages being held back are those which can be upgraded, but aren't to be upgrade as chosen by the root user. |
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| 22:00.26 | SerajewelKS | jobezone: not always |
| 22:00.40 | metho | Serajewelks: where can u can add as many users as u want in postfix (for example, user1@metho.com, user2@metho.com, user3@metho.com) |
| 22:00.56 | loply | Would I just change all references to 'stable' to 'woody' in my sources.list? |
| 22:01.02 | SerajewelKS | jobezone: a held package is always held back unless specifically requested to be upgraded, but held back packages are not necessarily marked as held |
| 22:01.07 | Cresus | Do you know topic about sharing printer in a linux network ? |
| 22:01.10 | stefan_ | !show me the money |
| 22:01.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, show me the money is what? I ain't gonna show you nothing, you pervert motherfucker. |
| 22:01.15 | SerajewelKS | metho: that would be in the database |
| 22:01.17 | jobezone | SerajewelKS, hmm... |
| 22:01.33 | abrotman | stefan_: /msg dpkg hi .. play with the bot in msg |
| 22:01.57 | stefan_ | abrotman, thanks, i figured maby not in main |
| 22:02.03 | SerajewelKS | jobezone: for example, 'apt-get upgrade' will not remove any packages, so any new packages that conflict will an installed package will be held back, as well as any dependent packages that would be updated |
| 22:02.04 | metho | Serajewelks: database means debian it self, with the adduser |
| 22:02.16 | SerajewelKS | metho: that depends, is metho.com a virtual domain? |
| 22:02.34 | Dark_Debi | Hello people!!! |
| 22:02.47 | metho | Serajewelks: i want 2 domain so lets says virtual domain is metho.com |
| 22:03.01 | SerajewelKS | metho: the database |
| 22:03.11 | SerajewelKS | metho: there's one "real" domain, and any number of "virtual" ones |
| 22:03.22 | abrotman | #postfix ? |
| 22:03.30 | SerajewelKS | metho: the real domain will use local accounts (pam), the virtual ones will use the database |
| 22:03.34 | Thunder2002 | hello, can someone tell me some settings for synaptic to install xorg, gnome 2.12, etc.??? i search for the settings for a repository |
| 22:03.37 | jobezone | SerajewelKS, ok, I wasn't sure if loply was using Sarge, or not. and if he was, it would make sense to do a distribution upgrade, if there have been any updates. |
| 22:03.49 | abrotman | Thunder2002: for which version of debian |
| 22:03.58 | SerajewelKS | jobezone: he was using "stable", which was woody, and then stable changed to sarge |
| 22:04.07 | Thunder2002 | abrotman 3.1-r0a |
| 22:04.12 | metho | Serajewelks: i am confused, database what is this |
| 22:04.21 | SerajewelKS | metho: the MySQL database you're going to create |
| 22:04.25 | abrotman | Thunder2002: /msg dpkg backports ... not sure if gnome2.12 is there yet |
| 22:04.36 | metho | Serajewelks: ok, i see |
| 22:04.50 | Thunder2002 | k thx abrotman i will try |
| 22:04.55 | jobezone | SerajewelKS, ahhh!!.... ok, I get it now. So, he's only upgrading, which keeps lots of packages on their woody versions. |
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| 22:05.29 | SerajewelKS | metho: if you're following the tutorial to the letter, it should be this query: INSERT INTO provider.users SET email = 'user1@metho.com', password = 'foobar'; |
| 22:05.40 | SerajewelKS | jobezone: correct |
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| 22:06.06 | SerajewelKS | jobezone: an upgrade will never, ever removed an installed package, so any packages that would require that package to be removed to be upgraded or installed are held back |
| 22:06.10 | stew | jobezone: his packages are held back becuase in order to satisfy the dependencies to upgrade it was required to install new packages or remove packages. apt-get upgrade will not do that, dist-upgrade will (this is the difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade) |
| 22:06.27 | SerajewelKS | stew: upgrade won't install packages either? |
| 22:06.29 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it also won't upgrade if the upgrade requires a new package to be installed |
| 22:06.32 | metho | Serajewelks: thats great, tutorial is very hard but i'll get there!!! |
| 22:06.37 | stew | SerajewelKS: no, only upgrade existing packages |
| 22:06.39 | Rescye | Hey, i was wondering about this problem I'm getting with Sarge: "Please Check That \n\n Your soundcard is configured properly \n You have the correct output plugin selected \n No othe program is blocking the soundcard" |
| 22:06.50 | SerajewelKS | metho: if that tutorial is hard, then you shouldn't be running a mail server |
| 22:07.04 | abrotman | and what application says that ? |
| 22:07.05 | kspath | no comment |
| 22:07.09 | SerajewelKS | stew: is there an upgrade scheme that will install new packages but not remove existing ones? |
| 22:07.11 | Rescye | abrotman: XMMS |
| 22:07.26 | abrotman | Rescye: does sound work at all? |
| 22:07.33 | Rescye | abrotman: no. |
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| 22:07.37 | Perseid | Hi all. Semi-newbie question: I'm trying to get an Audigy gameport to work, but cat /dev/input/js0 says "No Such Device" even though it is listed. |
| 22:07.41 | abrotman | Rescye: does it work for root ? |
| 22:07.56 | Rescye | abrotman: I don't know, I've never used the GUI with root |
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| 22:08.10 | Rescye | abrotman: I remember being told that it was a stupid idea. |
| 22:08.21 | anapivirtua | bn ;) |
| 22:08.22 | jobezone | stew:yep |
| 22:08.32 | ryu|away | Hi, trying to install a machine using software raid (raid1) on 2 SATA disks via an IDE cdrom drive. after setting up drives, installing grub and rebooting, I get kernel panic as the second disk in the MD device cannot be found. Any ideas? |
| 22:08.36 | abrotman | Rescye: yes .. it is .. but you can test sound as rot in other ways |
| 22:08.38 | abrotman | as root |
| 22:08.48 | Rescye | abrotman: could you please tell me how? |
| 22:08.49 | abrotman | Rescye: `groups` .. what does it say for you ? |
| 22:09.08 | jobezone | Rescye, you can launch just a simple program as root |
| 22:09.14 | Rescye | abrotman: I don't know anything about `groups`. I'm new to linux really. i changed to fedora after FC4 lost its GUI. |
| 22:09.30 | Rescye | abrotman: before then i was using Windows Server 2000 |
| 22:09.35 | metho | Serajewelks: oh no, i am not running a mail server but i am doing my report which asks for two domains and multiple users on one mail server in debian so basocally i need information that is accurate and works |
| 22:09.35 | abrotman | Rescye: so you're using Fedora now ? |
| 22:09.42 | Rescye | abrotman: no, Im using Debian |
| 22:09.55 | abrotman | Rescye: what are your groups? |
| 22:09.56 | SerajewelKS | metho: "report?" |
| 22:09.57 | Rescye | abrotman: I changed to Debian* after FC4 lost its GUI. |
| 22:10.02 | Rescye | abrotman: how should I know? |
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| 22:10.07 | jobezone | Rescye, which Desktop are you using? Both KDE and GNOME have a graphical way to configure the groups your users belong to. |
| 22:10.14 | metho | Serajewelks: UNI REPORT!!!! |
| 22:10.17 | Rescye | jobezone: Gnome |
| 22:10.20 | abrotman | Rescye: i already told you how |
| 22:10.23 | SerajewelKS | metho: ah, homework? =) |
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| 22:10.50 | metho | Serajewelks: more of a final marks to pass the module!!! |
| 22:10.51 | jobezone | Rescye, so it's in the Users menu option, under "Desktop" in the top menu (I think). |
| 22:11.00 | abrotman | `groups` |
| 22:11.01 | SerajewelKS | metho: aha |
| 22:11.01 | metho | Serajewelks: so therefore i am bit worried |
| 22:11.12 | jobezone | Rescye: wrong: It's probably under Desktop->System Preferences->Users |
| 22:11.13 | abrotman | jobezone: under WHAT ? |
| 22:11.22 | jobezone | Rescye, or something like that. |
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| 22:11.46 | Rescye | found it.. |
| 22:11.52 | abrotman | ffs .. the `groups` command takes two seconds |
| 22:12.08 | jobezone | abrotman: true :) |
| 22:12.14 | metho | Serajewelks: so if i follow that guide i should be arite??? |
| 22:12.14 | Rescye | it only shows root abrotman |
| 22:12.23 | SerajewelKS | metho: yes and no |
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| 22:12.33 | metho | Serajewelks: good answer |
| 22:12.41 | abrotman | Rescye: as you |
| 22:12.43 | metho | Serajewelks: why is that |
| 22:12.50 | Rescye | abrotman: ? |
| 22:12.50 | abrotman | Rescye: i don't want to know what groups root is in |
| 22:12.57 | jobezone | Rescye: right, choose your username, abrotman |
| 22:12.59 | SerajewelKS | metho: if you follow it then the server should work, but you probably won't be able to answer any questions your prof asks you about why and how it works. |
| 22:13.07 | ryushe | Hi, trying to install a machine using software raid (raid1) on 2 SATA disks via an IDE cdrom drive. after setting up drives, installing grub and rebooting, I get kernel panic as the second disk in the MD device cannot be found. Any ideas? |
| 22:13.13 | Rescye | abrotman: navarr dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 22:13.36 | abrotman | Rescye: `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` |
| 22:13.58 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: why don't you eat cow brains? |
| 22:14.01 | jobezone | Rescye: ok, so you belong to audio. I think this is the default in Sarge, anyway, so that's expected :) |
| 22:14.01 | metho | Serajewelks: i understood the virtual domain and real domian stuff but i still dont understand about the virtual domain's username!!!! |
| 22:14.15 | Rescye | jobezone: navarr@debian:~$ `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` \n bash: ii: command not found |
| 22:14.22 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/16/brain.sandwich.ap/ |
| 22:14.28 | Perseid | So I've done a modprobe joystick, which did work. Did a MAKEDEV js, which made device files, but thy all say "No Such Device" Any ideas? |
| 22:14.38 | metho | Serajewelks: usernames that u add in databade (mysql) |
| 22:14.39 | SerajewelKS | metho: virtual domains are backed by a database, the real domain is backed by pam |
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| 22:15.02 | SerajewelKS | metho: i don't really understand the question you're trying to ask |
| 22:15.03 | daskog | Hello |
| 22:15.07 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i read the weird stories at cnn :) |
| 22:15.28 | Rescye | jobezone: navarr@debian:~$ `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` \n bash: ii: command not found ^ |
| 22:15.31 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: "This is better than snail, better than sushi, better than a lot of different delicacies." |
| 22:15.34 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: that's not saying much |
| 22:15.43 | jobezone | Rescye: use that command without the `` |
| 22:15.45 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: hehe |
| 22:15.49 | abrotman | jobezone: should work either way |
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| 22:15.55 | metho | Serajewelks: can i pm u the real question of the report |
| 22:16.04 | abrotman | though .. i have no idea why it's trying to use ii as a command |
| 22:16.10 | SerajewelKS | metho: no, but you can ask me here |
| 22:16.14 | abrotman | oh .. wait .. i'm stupid |
| 22:16.16 | jobezone | abrotman, doesn't work with me if I place them. |
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| 22:16.17 | Rescye | jobezone: navarr@debian:~$ dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 \n ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 22:16.26 | Drakas | how can i enable udev at the startup of 2.6.15 ? |
| 22:16.33 | abrotman | jobezone: you're right .. it tries to run the results as a command .. duh :) |
| 22:16.40 | metho | Serajewelks: ok here u go, give me 1 min |
| 22:16.44 | abrotman | !tell metho about u |
| 22:16.58 | jobezone | Rescye, Don't know why you were asked for that command. |
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| 22:17.08 | jobezone | Rescye, What program doesn't give sound? |
| 22:17.08 | Rescye | jobezone: ? |
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| 22:17.19 | metho | Serajewelks: the |
| 22:17.30 | daskog | Im wondering if Debian is right for me x86-64, So is debian any harder to use than Ubuntu, or Suse? |
| 22:17.33 | Rescye | jobezone: None of them are offputting sound. And I've heard that several sarge users have had this same error. Sound dosn't work |
| 22:17.36 | SerajewelKS | metho: but |
| 22:17.49 | jobezone | Rescye, even with xmms, for example? |
| 22:17.58 | Rescye | jobezone: even with XMMS. |
| 22:18.13 | SerajewelKS | Rescye: what does 'cat /dev/null > /dev/dsp' say |
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| 22:18.19 | abrotman | Rescye: uname -a |
| 22:18.20 | Phated | Eh, why null? |
| 22:18.31 | SerajewelKS | Phated: because /dev/random makes too much noise |
| 22:18.33 | jobezone | Rescye, you could try running as root "alsaconf", which might detect and configure your soundcard for Alsa. |
| 22:18.34 | Rescye | abortman: Linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:18.38 | Phated | Doesn't null make too little? :) |
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| 22:18.50 | Rescye | jobezone: Command not found |
| 22:18.53 | SerajewelKS | Phated: it lets us know if /dev/dsp is connected to anything |
| 22:18.56 | Phated | Ah. |
| 22:19.20 | stew | Rescye: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
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| 22:19.43 | jobezone | Rescye: sorry, install alsa-utils first. Then, run the "alsaconf" command. |
| 22:20.06 | metho | Serajewelks: the school wiches to provide a mail server for both pupiles and staff. pupils should have email forename.surname@pupils.killiber.sch.uk and staff should have title.surname@killiber.sch.uk, if possible, it would like staff be able to access email from anywhere!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:20.15 | Rescye | running command from dpkg |
| 22:20.17 | abrotman | Rescye: why kind of computer is it ? |
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| 22:20.32 | Phated | Jesus christ, do schools teach kids to use punctuation like that these days? |
| 22:20.32 | Rescye | abrotman: eh? What is that answer you want for that? |
| 22:20.44 | metho | Serajewelks: thats what i need to configure in a mail server |
| 22:20.53 | SerajewelKS | metho: i assume that this is only a demonstration? e.g. you're not actually setting this thing up for production? |
| 22:20.59 | jobezone | Do you people use alsaconf? I've heard that it's going to be deprecated in the future in Debian, but it's helpfull nevertheless |
| 22:21.13 | metho | Serajewelks: thats correct, only demonstration |
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| 22:21.24 | Drakas | how can i enable udev at the startup of 2.6.15 ? |
| 22:21.26 | petemc | metho: i have a perl scrip that will set up users for exim, then you just need to add the appropriate routers and transports |
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| 22:21.27 | SerajewelKS | metho: then you should be using two virtual domains |
| 22:21.34 | SerajewelKS | metho: the "real" domain should be localhost |
| 22:21.37 | daskog | Any comment frome somone who have just started to use Debian? |
| 22:21.38 | Matt-H | killiber.sch.uk isn't actually valid as it's missing the county part anyway |
| 22:21.47 | abrotman | Rescye: P4 ? PII ? 12MB of ram .. etc |
| 22:21.58 | Drakas | how can i enable udev at the startup ( robably in the kernel image ) on 2.6.15 ? |
| 22:22.08 | SerajewelKS | metho: then, basically, you put both domains in the provider.domains table, and popular provider.users with email addresses and passwords |
| 22:22.26 | Kovecses | Drakas, just enable it in the kernel |
| 22:22.29 | Rescye | abrotman: I know its a P4, I'm not sure of its RAM, / is on a 80GB HDD, /backup is on a 40GB HDD, a CD-ROM, a CD-RW, a 3.5" Floppy, and one hell of a heat-sink is all I know. |
| 22:22.35 | troxy_ | is there a clever trick with dpkg to find out which package provides a certain header file? |
| 22:22.42 | Kovecses | Drakas, as part of the kernel and not a module |
| 22:22.45 | abrotman | Rescye: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 ... alsa is included |
| 22:22.47 | petemc | troxy_: apt-file |
| 22:22.56 | Rescye | abrotman: Im installing alsa now tho >< |
| 22:22.59 | SerajewelKS | troxy_: or /msg dpkg find /somefile.h |
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| 22:23.11 | jobezone | the alsa packages |
| 22:23.15 | Rescye | abrotman: according to the Alsa setup, there are two cards o.o |
| 22:23.19 | abrotman | Rescye: up to you .. i'd rather use a 2.6 kernel |
| 22:23.20 | metho | Serajewelks: provider.domain table??? and popular provider.users????? |
| 22:23.27 | jobezone | alsa-utils caused them to be installed I guess. |
| 22:23.35 | SerajewelKS | metho: let's back up. do you know what a database is? |
| 22:23.53 | metho | Serajewelks: no, sorry. :( |
| 22:23.54 | petemc | SerajewelKS: why does he need a database? |
| 22:24.09 | SerajewelKS | metho: then find a different tutorial, one that uses flat files |
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| 22:24.40 | SerajewelKS | petemc: because the tutorial i gave him uses one, i suppose. he'll have to find another tutorial. |
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| 22:25.04 | Rescye | jobezone: I installed alsa |
| 22:25.07 | petemc | SerajewelKS: ah, i missed that part of the conversation |
| 22:25.20 | jobezone | Rescye, and do you have sound now? |
| 22:25.20 | SerajewelKS | metho: quite frankly i'm surprised that you're in a class where you're told to set up a mail server if you have no clue what a database is. |
| 22:25.27 | Rescye | jobezone: let me see.. |
| 22:25.28 | jobezone | Rescye: with xmms, for example? |
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| 22:25.46 | Rescye | jobezone: Same Old Error |
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| 22:26.09 | abrotman | xmms needs to be told to use alsa .. or you have to install the oss-emu stuff for alsa |
| 22:26.10 | SerajewelKS | Rescye: are you using XMMS's ALSA output plugin? |
| 22:26.28 | Rescye | yes, I am SerajewelKS |
| 22:26.30 | metho | Serajewelks: i was away on holidays and missed quite a bit thats why i am sitting here and thinking what needs to be done and what doesnt!!!! |
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| 22:27.11 | SerajewelKS | metho: how could you skip over databases because you were on holiday? db classes are usually span a semester. |
| 22:27.41 | metho | Serajewelks: i know what database is m8 but i just dont know how it can be used with postfix, |
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| 22:27.45 | jobezone | did you try the "cat /dev/null > /dev/dsp" command and hear something from the speakers? |
| 22:27.49 | blockd | Rescye: I forget what Debian does automagically, but have you run alsaconf to check your mixer settings? |
| 22:27.55 | Rescye | jobezone: when i said that it had an error... |
| 22:28.03 | SerajewelKS | metho: aha, i asked you if you knew what a database is, and you said no. |
| 22:28.03 | Rescye | blockd: Im running alsaconf again... |
| 22:28.11 | Rescye | blockd: I get all kinds of weird errors while its running |
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| 22:29.02 | jobezone | Rescye, what errors exactly? And are you running alsaconf as root? |
| 22:29.08 | troxy_ | petemc: thanks, that works :) |
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| 22:29.14 | metho | Serajewelks: :( |
| 22:29.21 | lunitik | jobezone: /dev/null would have the same effect as /dev/[u]random? |
| 22:29.30 | Rescye | jobezone: errors like.. Unresolved symbols, and many others, and yes, im running it as root |
| 22:29.33 | jobezone | Rescye, I guess so, only different noises |
| 22:29.50 | lunitik | jobezone: I thought /dev/null didn't kick out data, just kinda a dumbing ground almost... |
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| 22:30.04 | Rescye | jobezone: ? |
| 22:30.16 | abrotman | i'm still voting for install the 2.6 kernel |
| 22:30.20 | metho | Serajewelks: so any ideas m8 |
| 22:30.25 | Rescye | abrotman: what was it again? |
| 22:30.41 | abrotman | Rescye: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 ... alsa is included |
| 22:30.44 | SerajewelKS | metho: follow the tutorial? |
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| 22:30.51 | jobezone | lunitik, me too :) But it was sugested here, and since I'm no guru myself... I can't test it for myself, as I have no speakers. |
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| 22:31.08 | Rescye | abrotman: installing |
| 22:31.19 | picasso | hi. can someone help me out w/ this apt-get problem real quick? |
| 22:31.22 | picasso | eeyore-: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 22:31.26 | picasso | eeyore-: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 22:31.27 | gnufan | Any "glines" (five or more, in gnome-games) fanatics, tracking unstable, also find the last update broke it. Should do wonders for my productivity :( |
| 22:31.31 | picasso | s/eeyore-/E/ |
| 22:31.36 | jobezone | Rescye, then you'll have to restart debian and choose the new linux kernel from the entries in Grub. |
| 22:31.40 | metho | Serajewelks: i followed it and i understand how to setup a virtual domain but i do not understand about adding more users for virtual domain |
| 22:31.45 | abrotman | !e2fs loop |
| 22:31.45 | Rescye | jobezone: alright |
| 22:31.46 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 22:31.47 | dpkg | i guess e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:31.59 | picasso | gracias |
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| 22:33.32 | abrotman | lunitik: because the machines runs fine .. |
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| 22:34.00 | lunitik | abrotman: I still apt-get upgrade on at least a weekly basis.... |
| 22:34.13 | abrotman | lunitik: you crazy goon |
| 22:34.14 | lunitik | dist-upgrade monthly, after much inspecting. |
| 22:34.52 | lunitik | abrotman: why? upgrade is unlikely to break anything... nothing that can't be fixed by rolling back packages at least... |
| 22:35.07 | pifta | Hi, somebody can help me with an ip aliasing problem, on the same ip range (exp. ip=192.168.0.1 ip2=192.168.0.15 netmask=255.255.255.128) |
| 22:35.27 | abrotman | lunitik: why are you whining about someone running woody .. you're not even running sarge |
| 22:36.00 | lunitik | abrotman: my server is running sarge... |
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| 22:36.11 | abrotman | and you run dist-upgrade on your sarge box ? |
| 22:36.12 | lunitik | This box is unstable + other toys |
| 22:36.36 | lunitik | nooo... that'll run sarge for at least 6 months to a year longer... |
| 22:36.56 | jobezone | who here uses Sarge for their main home computer? |
| 22:37.07 | abrotman | there are people who still use potato/kernel2.0.x machines |
| 22:37.11 | lunitik | jobezone: people that can't figure out how to use something else? |
| 22:37.24 | abrotman | jobezone: my laptop was .. for a while after sarge's release .. |
| 22:37.34 | Faithful | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.37 | jobezone | yep, my laptop as well... for a while :) |
| 22:38.03 | abrotman | i waited until after gnome2.10 finished going into etch |
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| 22:38.37 | SerajewelKS | metho: you add them to the provider.users table |
| 22:38.42 | abrotman | lunitik: did you help fix bugs ? |
| 22:38.52 | jobezone | be right back |
| 22:38.52 | SerajewelKS | metho: provided that both domains are virtual, of course |
| 22:38.54 | gnufan | Anyway to tell how long a package has been in unstable? |
| 22:39.13 | lunitik | abrotman: I have... mainly upstream though unless they specified it was probably distro-specific |
| 22:39.14 | SerajewelKS | metho: if one is virtual and one is not, then the non-virtual domain will use pam authentication, so you need to create local accounts for those |
| 22:39.32 | stew | gnufan: /msg dpkg why is packagename not in testing |
| 22:39.34 | abrotman | lunitik: did you fix any debian RC bugs that were affecting sarge's release ? |
| 22:39.47 | gnufan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.59 | lunitik | abrotman: fix? I've never helped fix a bug, other than helping with debugging... |
| 22:40.04 | abrotman | !tell gnufan about why is gnome-panel not in testing |
| 22:40.17 | abrotman | gnufan: etc .. but you should use /msg dpkg |
| 22:40.31 | abrotman | lunitik: i thought so |
| 22:40.45 | metho | Serajewelks: now we talking... thanks very much, i better get on with the work now, that turtorial is quite useful, i'll let u know if i dont understand something |
| 22:40.57 | SerajewelKS | metho: ok |
| 22:41.08 | lunitik | abrotman: I don't claim to be a programmer... I just like playing with the newest toys, and giving feedback back... |
| 22:41.44 | lunitik | abrotman: most of the time, my bug reports aren't even useful, I just file to ensure its known... |
| 22:41.47 | abrotman | but you whine about things not flowing in unstable .. |
| 22:42.08 | kspath | !ewe |
| 22:42.09 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 22:42.28 | lunitik | abrotman: meh... I don't whine... I just... frustrated |
| 22:42.56 | abrotman | you were |
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| 22:43.12 | lunitik | abrotman: no |
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| 22:43.57 | gnufan | Ah - I see the latest version of GNOME games hasn't made it to the UK yet.... hmmm.. perhaps I should have left it at the unstable it was yesterday. Still I guess it may get fixed by just waiting for the mirror to catch up... harder bug fixes than that have come my way ;) |
| 22:44.06 | abrotman | yes |
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| 22:45.13 | SimonRaven | fuck it |
| 22:45.17 | Rescye | same old error |
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| 22:45.22 | lunitik | abrotman: whining = "omg why isn't this package going into sid, I want it, give me it, now, kthnx" ... |
| 22:45.35 | abrotman | lunitik: no .. that's just being a tard |
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| 22:46.12 | Rescye | reinitianity alsaconf |
| 22:46.36 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 22:46.36 | dpkg | methinks alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 22:46.37 | lunitik | abrotman: whine, v.intr, to complain in a childish mannor. |
| 22:46.45 | abrotman | lunitik: and you were |
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| 22:47.11 | lunitik | abrotman: in a childish mannor? if I was I apologize :| |
| 22:47.35 | abrotman | if you wanted the stuff into sid faster .. fix bugs .. otherwise .. deal with it :) |
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| 22:48.03 | lunitik | abrotman: I did... I either compiled the things I wanted myself... or waited... |
| 22:48.13 | gnufan | abrotman: Me I sent the patches, perhaps I should have submitted a NM application as well ;) |
| 22:48.22 | abrotman | lunitik: you're missing the point .. have a nice day |
| 22:48.22 | Rescye | Music is working! |
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| 22:48.55 | abrotman | Rescye: enjoy |
| 22:49.00 | Rescye | thx alot ^^ |
| 22:49.04 | jobezone | Rescye, cool :) |
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| 22:50.00 | abrotman | he could have at least given us beer or something |
| 22:50.23 | resiak | !beer abortman |
| 22:50.30 | mutek | anyone else got the 'gzip2' problems with packages files? |
| 22:50.36 | kspath | lol have 12,000 USD in my amazon cart worth of tech books wonder if I should just do it |
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| 22:50.53 | gnufan | Untick "show offline buddies", so am less reminded that all my friends have better social life, or get more sleep :( |
| 22:51.00 | abrotman | kspath: just a hunch .. but shouldn't you be gainfully employed first ? |
| 22:51.57 | kspath | abrotman: I figure if I owe a ton of banks cash they have an interest in me being gainfully employed |
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| 22:53.22 | gnufan | kspath: I have the edge here, I'm definitely worth more than the transplant value of my organs... you better pick a nice bank. |
| 22:53.36 | abrotman | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009I7OKC/qid=1136760803/sr=8-5/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i5_xgl15/104-1463612-4511169?n=507846&s=music&v=glance |
| 22:53.49 | azeem | abrotman: "10 more things to do after Windows adminstrated itself"? |
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| 22:54.28 | abrotman | kspath: i don't think it works that way |
| 22:54.32 | abrotman | azeem: you own that CD ? |
| 22:54.40 | kspath | abrotman: LOL Back in Bluegrass: The Bluegrass Tribute AC/DC |
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| 22:55.48 | intx | has anyone gotten ip masquerade to work with oidentd and linux 2.6? |
| 22:55.55 | resiak | Nope. |
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| 22:56.46 | abrotman | kspath: worse yet .. the WMP clip of thunderstruck .. isn't that bad |
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| 22:57.12 | intx | has anyone tried even? :) |
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| 22:57.21 | resiak | Nope. |
| 22:57.29 | chou-chou | i dunno bout you guys but i think that cd would be hella cool haha |
| 22:57.36 | Overand | how can i get stuff out of my outgoing mail queue? (exim) |
| 22:57.38 | abrotman | chou-chou: order it |
| 22:57.41 | Padnah | I would like recommendations for a GUI for root. I presently have KDE and GNOME installed for user. |
| 22:57.46 | azeem | abrotman: no :( |
| 22:57.49 | Zugschlus | Overand: exim -Mrm |
| 22:57.51 | Overand | I have 5-10 mails that keep trying to get resent that are to invalid addresses |
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| 22:58.03 | SerajewelKS | !find /dh_make |
| 22:58.04 | chou-chou | abrotman: it might be worth the price of a used cd. but not $17 |
| 22:58.09 | abrotman | Overand: delete them .. or wait .. they'll time out after a week or so |
| 22:58.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/dh_make' (3): (/usr/bin/dh_makeshlibs) in devel/debhelper ;; (/usr/bin/dh_makeclilibs) in interpreters/cli-common ;; (/usr/bin/dh_make, /usr/share/debhelper/dh_make/debianb/{control|rules|watch.ex}, /usr/share/debhelper/dh_make/debians/{control|rules|watch.ex}) in devel/dh-make. |
| 22:58.12 | azeem | SerajewelKS: please /msg the bot |
| 22:58.13 | kspath | I would prefer a Blue Grass CD and a separate AC/DC CD I like most kinds of muzik |
| 22:58.16 | abrotman | chou-chou: prolly not |
| 22:58.18 | intx | i've tried this patch (http://www.wh-netz.de/knowledgebase/PUB.OIdentD/oidentd-linux-2.6.10_conntrack.patch) but it doesn't seem to be working for 2.6.14.. but then it may not even work for 2.6.10 |
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| 22:58.32 | Overand | abrotman: Warning: message 1ERdpF-0005Ql-00 delayed 1992 hours |
| 22:58.39 | gnufan | Padnah: /sbin/getty ;) |
| 22:58.44 | Overand | abrotman: do the math |
| 22:58.47 | Overand | something's wrong |
| 22:59.04 | SerajewelKS | the hell.. i don't have dh_make on my system |
| 22:59.06 | abrotman | Overand: i believe that amount of time is configurable in your exim conf file |
| 22:59.10 | Overand | yeah |
| 22:59.17 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 22:59.18 | Overand | but, did just delete it |
| 22:59.19 | Overand | heh |
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| 22:59.23 | Padnah | gnufan, thanks for recommend |
| 22:59.31 | omry | hi. my system crashed on me, and when I restared I got many drive errors which looks like bad sectors. the drive is a SATA drive, and I realized that it appears as /dev/sda now, although it was /dev/hde before. could it all be because bios started to treat the disk as scsi? |
| 22:59.55 | abrotman | dpkg: note, do not eat the entire bag of Combos .. leads to heartburn |
| 23:00.04 | abatti | olá |
| 23:00.12 | gnufan | Padnah: why do you want a GUI for root? Generally you don't want to run GUI as administrator on a box, one slip of the mouse and the system is complete trash. I mean you might as well buy Windows XP ;) |
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| 23:00.18 | Overand | abrotman: it looks like it's configured to die after 8 days |
| 23:00.33 | abrotman | Overand: how many hours is eight days? .. 10,000,000 ? |
| 23:00.39 | Overand | no |
| 23:00.43 | Overand | 192 |
| 23:00.44 | Overand | heh |
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| 23:01.03 | Overand | this email has been sitting in the que for almost 3 months |
| 23:01.05 | abrotman | bah .. ever since i moved to earth .. these shorter days are killing me |
| 23:01.06 | fallonme | 691200 seconds |
| 23:01.11 | kspath | silly earthers with your 24 hour days |
| 23:01.18 | AndroFlux | Overand: Depends on if DST happens during those days. :-) |
| 23:01.21 | Overand | abrotman: can i pastebin my exim.conf? |
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| 23:01.32 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:01.32 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 23:01.40 | Overand | "pastebin" =P |
| 23:01.56 | Overand | hairtrigger on your paste reflex there |
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| 23:02.08 | Overand | I think I've been here long enough to know not to paste |
| 23:02.24 | Overand | but oh |
| 23:02.24 | Overand | i see. |
| 23:02.26 | abrotman | Overand: we have people who have been kicked for flooding probably over 100 times |
| 23:02.44 | Overand | abrotman: the only time i flood is if i'm on a windows box and i accidentally right-click in PuTTY |
| 23:02.47 | Overand | heh |
| 23:02.55 | abrotman | heh |
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| 23:04.30 | Overand | oh |
| 23:04.39 | Overand | it might be worht nothing that it's a "name_name@mulex.com" thing |
| 23:04.43 | Overand | i took down phpBB as a result |
| 23:04.51 | Overand | i think it's some exploit, or at least a spammer |
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| 23:06.05 | Overand | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1512 |
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| 23:06.44 | Overand | I'm pretty sure my email shit is all fucked |
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| 23:07.34 | djw | why won't my debian machine mount my sata disks on boot up, but mounts them fine if I do it manually once it has boots |
| 23:07.38 | SerajewelKS | i'm guessing that a build-dep of libc6-dev is implied for packages, correct? |
| 23:07.52 | djw | if I enable them in fstab I always end up in single user mode |
| 23:08.07 | jvw | Overand: what phpBB exploit or so? |
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| 23:08.13 | jvw | djw: error? |
| 23:08.24 | jvw | Overand: what's wrong with your mail? |
| 23:08.26 | djw | jvw: cannot find device /dev/sda1 |
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| 23:08.32 | abrotman | jvw: the one that the debian packages fixed iirc .. xml-rpc ? |
| 23:08.41 | Overand | jvw: i just mean that i've got a registered user from "somename_something@mulex.com" |
| 23:08.44 | djw | jvw: then I'm asked for the root password for maintaince |
| 23:08.44 | Overand | that's not a real person |
| 23:08.50 | kspath | The Cambridge Encyclopedia of the World's Ancient Languages: Do you think it includes COBOL and RPG II ? |
| 23:08.52 | jvw | djw: possibly the right driver isn't loaded yet at the time Debian tries to mount it? |
| 23:08.56 | Overand | and i've been seeing that domain registered all over the web on phpBB forums |
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| 23:09.06 | jvw | abrotman: ah, k |
| 23:09.09 | omry | does it make sense that a sata drive appears as /dev/sda after it appeared as /dev/hde for a long time? |
| 23:09.10 | djw | jvw: that's what I'm thinking, just wondering on the best solution |
| 23:09.18 | djw | jvw: I'm using the stock debian kernel |
| 23:09.33 | djw | omry: upgraded kernels? |
| 23:09.41 | omry | djw nope. |
| 23:09.45 | Overand | I had two of them in my queue, so I'm removing 'em both |
| 23:09.51 | omry | djw, although I had a bios reset. |
| 23:09.55 | omry | maybe its related? |
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| 23:10.02 | jvw | djw: I've had a very similar issue, I added the correct module name (sata_promise & sata_...something in my case) to /etc/mkinitrd/modules, and dpkg-reocnifgured the stock kernel |
| 23:10.14 | jvw | sata_via it was |
| 23:10.29 | djw | jvw: ah okay, I'll give that a shot, thanks |
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| 23:10.38 | jvw | so that the module (==driver) is loaded already in the initrd, so before the root filesystem is even mounted |
| 23:10.39 | Overand | HOLY SHIT THERE'S A LOT OF MAIL IN MY EXIM QUEUE |
| 23:10.55 | Overand | ~500 messages |
| 23:10.56 | Overand | crap |
| 23:11.14 | jvw | Overand: you'll get shitloads of fake spammer registration when running phpbb... I know, I run forums.d.net :) |
| 23:11.15 | djw | Overand: bounces to spam from the mailer-daemon? |
| 23:11.15 | Overand | most of it is ancient |
| 23:11.21 | jvw | Overand: make sure you require people to confirm via email |
| 23:11.22 | Overand | yeah |
| 23:11.24 | fallonme | omry: hotplug black/whitelists? Some other udev/devfs/whatever thing upgraded? |
| 23:11.30 | omry | djw, ah, actually it is a kernel upgrade. it appeares as dev/hde in my 2.6.7, but now I see it as /dev/sda from knoppix (recovery), which got 2.6.12 |
| 23:11.30 | Overand | it's fine |
| 23:11.33 | Overand | not as bad as i htought |
| 23:11.34 | Overand | and yeha |
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| 23:11.46 | jvw | gravity: hey. Just to be sure, you are dnusinow on the forums right :)? |
| 23:11.50 | gravity | jvw: Yep :-) |
| 23:11.57 | gravity | Thanks for marking me as a DD there |
| 23:12.08 | jvw | gravity: np |
| 23:12.22 | omry | fallonme my system is in deep shit, it wont boot from that disk, too many errors related to the drive. |
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| 23:12.31 | jvw | gravity: the forum really needs clueful people, your precense is appreciated |
| 23:12.40 | djw | omry: that's because the older ide based sata driver has been ditched in favour for the scsi version, which would make sense with though kernel version |
| 23:12.53 | gravity | jvw: My pleasure. I didn't realize you had set one up or I'd have been there sooner. I think we really need just such a forum |
| 23:12.55 | jvw | Overand: just make sure your outdoing mail is working, and that you expire frozen mail after some attempts |
| 23:12.57 | djw | omry: *with those kernel versions |
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| 23:13.02 | abrotman | gravity: you're clueful ? |
| 23:13.09 | djw | omry: so yes it's perfectly normal ;) |
| 23:13.09 | gravity | abrotman: From time to time, but not usually :-) |
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| 23:13.20 | abrotman | gravity: you moved again! |
| 23:13.25 | jvw | gravity: it's excellent for the people who are a bit on the newbie side of level-of-experience |
| 23:13.27 | gravity | abrotman: Back in Boston |
| 23:13.28 | omry | djw, on a different problem, this can be the thing that prevents me from booting when I try to upgrade my kernel! |
| 23:13.33 | gravity | jvw: Definitely |
| 23:13.42 | fallonme | omry: what does SMART say? ... that is, _if_ your kernel is patched with libata passthru patches so that smartmontools will work at all... |
| 23:14.01 | gravity | jvw: It's kinda depressing that 99% of all X-related questions are about the nvidia binary driver though |
| 23:14.07 | gravity | I can't help much there |
| 23:14.09 | kspath | I am never cluefull but I do get contaminated by clue from time to time for brief periods wonder if there is a cream for that |
| 23:14.11 | jvw | ... yeah... |
| 23:14.15 | abrotman | gravity: should you? |
| 23:14.25 | gravity | abrotman: Should I what? |
| 23:14.35 | abrotman | gravity: help with a binary driver issue ? |
| 23:14.38 | omry | fallonme, the kernel on the disk is no shape to say anything. right now I am in 2.6.12 from knoppix, how do I check what SMART says (if at all)? |
| 23:14.49 | gravity | abrotman: Not really. |
| 23:14.51 | jvw | also, a lot of people don't know about the real strenght of Debian, and 90% of the linux docs out there, including official howto's etc, deal with from-source and self-compiled installations, rather than using packages |
| 23:14.54 | abrotman | gravity: i agree :) |
| 23:14.56 | gravity | abrotman: I mean, sorta, but I don't go out of my way to do it |
| 23:15.07 | gravity | jvw: Definitely |
| 23:15.10 | fallonme | omry: the disk appears here as sda with libata drivers and as hde if old ide drivers are used too, so that's not the problem. |
| 23:15.51 | gravity | jvw: That's a harder thing to teach though. It's even hard to teach people good package management practices, let alone the customization stuff |
| 23:16.16 | gravity | Most people seem determined to do bad things with apt. Like use cron to update. |
| 23:16.23 | fallonme | omry: knoppix might have all sorts of junk^H^H^H^H stuff patched into kernel. Try running "smartctl /dev/sda" or something and see if it works. |
| 23:16.26 | omry | fallonme, I am almost certain its a hardware problem. I got such a bad luck with these bloody drives :(, I got another one, similar, 200gb SATA, brand new, with bad blocks. |
| 23:16.27 | djw | omry: yes, you need to update your fstab and make sure you have the correct modules in your kernel |
| 23:16.31 | abrotman | gravity: update is fine .. upgrade is bad :) |
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| 23:16.40 | gravity | :-) |
| 23:17.04 | omry | djw, since I think I took care of the modules, then it must be fstab. anyway, I got a bigger problem now :) |
| 23:17.14 | jvw | gravity: yeah, took me a while to figure out I need to sometimes be a bit firm in my wording, to get messages across, and I'm shamelessly abuseing my "DD" status to help conveying the message |
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| 23:17.48 | gravity | jvw: It's ok. I think people actually want to hear from actual DD's. Too often people think we live on some mountain-top and are untouchable :-) |
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| 23:17.53 | omry | fallonme, it seemed to work, but didn't say anything. |
| 23:18.08 | fallonme | omry: if it works, you can run smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep FAILING for immediate failures, or run some tests on the drive. |
| 23:18.21 | jvw | gravity: too bad there's only 3 registered DD's afaik, and the third one (joeyh) never posted anything |
| 23:18.30 | bdevel | Hello World, I think i hosed my install... I did a "apt-get -f install" and it removed move like 50 packages... And now I can't install anything new because it complains I have a newer version of cpp-4.0, gcc++4.0 then the default ubuntu install.. So, how do I force it to install packages (even if I have newer verions) |
| 23:18.37 | jvw | DD precense over here is slightly better... but still |
| 23:18.42 | abrotman | is this for forums.debian.net ? |
| 23:18.47 | jvw | abrotman: yeah |
| 23:19.08 | syl-2 | there are so many ftp server software available, and so much doc. i'd appreciate any suggestion for a versatile and newbie-accessible ftpserver package ;) |
| 23:19.24 | omry | fallonme, ah, seems that the drive does not support smart. (at least so claim smartctl) |
| 23:19.29 | Coweater | bdevel: #ubuntu |
| 23:19.29 | jvw | syl-2: proftpd, has apache-like config |
| 23:19.40 | gravity | jvw: That's unfortunate |
| 23:19.46 | jvw | syl-2: but there are indeed dozens, so dozen of others would give you a dozen of different advices |
| 23:19.46 | omry | fallonme, too bad. could have been great. |
| 23:19.51 | fallonme | syl-2: vsftpd for simple installations, proftpd for configuration extravaganza (but mind the security bugs) |
| 23:19.56 | kspath | vsftpd? |
| 23:20.12 | kspath | sshd? |
| 23:20.13 | fallonme | omry: that's probably because there's no support in kernel. |
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| 23:20.24 | jvw | vsftpd is an excellent choice if you're not having too much demands |
| 23:20.25 | omry | asda |
| 23:20.30 | gnufan | gravity: I never touched a DD and rumours to the contary are evil slander ;) |
| 23:20.47 | fallonme | omry: all new PATA and SATA have smart, I think. And by "new" I mean something like 1998+. ;-) |
| 23:20.48 | gravity | gnufan: Heh |
| 23:20.56 | kspath | ftp needs to die one day |
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| 23:21.08 | syl-2 | well i need to start somewhere. i guess i'll give it a shot with vsftpd first |
| 23:22.28 | fallonme | omry: try to find out if there's a 2.6.8 or even a 2.4 kernel on the CD, which will use old drivers and see the sata disk as hde. smartctl ought to run in that case. |
| 23:22.34 | zerohero_ | hello! i'm using debian testing and recently i've been getting a NO_PUBKEY error when doing apt-get update, is this an error on my behalf or something more official? |
| 23:22.37 | abrotman | i think part of it .. many times .. you don't know who a DD is. not all of them use the hostmask and not everyone knows how to use db.d.o |
| 23:22.52 | gnufan | syl-2: vsftpd good choice, but you'll probably need to visit the config file after install to make it less paranoid. Still on the Internet paranoid is good. |
| 23:22.59 | staniel | how do I create a user in postgresql? |
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| 23:23.08 | liable | zerohero_: /topic |
| 23:23.09 | abrotman | i think i only knew gravity was a DD after i was jokingly saying how much X sucked |
| 23:23.23 | abrotman | gravity: and iirc .. you got in trouble for that exchange |
| 23:23.34 | abrotman | gravity: or perhaps "reported" is a better word |
| 23:24.01 | fallonme | abrotman: hrm, so there's some kind of DD police? ;-) |
| 23:24.05 | abrotman | gravity: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/06/msg00042.html |
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| 23:24.41 | gravity | I remember |
| 23:24.41 | jvw | fallonme: no |
| 23:24.43 | gravity | Very well |
| 23:24.44 | gnufan | staniel: docs.postgres.org has to have a purpose - very good manuals IMHO |
| 23:24.49 | jvw | fallonme: what would the "DD police" be? |
| 23:25.09 | abrotman | jvw: like peers that reprimand you ? |
| 23:25.12 | jvw | abrotman: I don't like the DD mask, I'm not exclusively a DD, I'm also myself |
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| 23:25.26 | fallonme | jvw: I'm just a user and wonder what does it mean that another DD got "reported". |
| 23:25.37 | jvw | abrotman: freenode doesn't allow to show you're a DD, or to selectively wear a mask, etc |
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| 23:25.45 | zerohero_ | liable: thank you very much |
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| 23:25.46 | abrotman | jvw: and i'm not sure you're on planet.d.o .. perhaps putting one's IRC on planet.d.o might be of some use |
| 23:25.58 | jvw | abrotman: I'm not on planet.d.o |
| 23:26.05 | abrotman | of course .. that could just lead to abuse |
| 23:26.09 | jvw | abrotman: I'm only on the lists, IRC, and maintain packages |
| 23:26.15 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 23:26.28 | uberdragon | Hello! I am attempting to install video drivers for the Intel 82865G chipset on a Dell Dimension 8110 with a fresh debian install. Anyone around that can assist? |
| 23:26.59 | abrotman | i can't believe people are still trying to use that X thing ... |
| 23:27.07 | blockd | uberdragon: you need i810 |
| 23:27.11 | abrotman | uberdragon: do you have a more specific error ? |
| 23:27.42 | blockd | uberdragon: as the video driver at least... which debconf should offer you. |
| 23:27.43 | jvw | abrotman: there is some form of peer pressure of course amongst DD's, but there isn't really an ultimate something that will reprimande someone or so, at least definitely not for opinions -- though for technical issues, we have the techinical committee, and for money we have the DPL, and we have votes for like anything if the DD's in general care very deeply about something |
| 23:27.58 | uberdragon | blockd: Actually I tried to use the i810 from the initial install but gdm shuts down on boot |
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| 23:28.23 | uberdragon | so far the only way I've gotten the gdm to load at all is with "vga" set as the chipset.. I downloaded the drivers off intel |
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| 23:28.36 | uberdragon | now I'm trying to figure out exactly how to install them |
| 23:28.36 | abrotman | jvw: iirc .. there is a section of the Contract that allows a DD to be stripped of his DD status |
| 23:28.40 | blockd | uberdragon: have you gone into the BIOS and increased the amount of video RAM for it? |
| 23:28.51 | abrotman | how about finding the EE lines in your logs ? |
| 23:29.02 | uberdragon | blockd: I have not. one moment I'll boot up the bios |
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| 23:29.20 | blockd | uberdragon: it might be set to 1 MB, and you can set it for 8 MB. Or you could probably fudge the Video RAM section in the XFree86 config file |
| 23:29.33 | blockd | uberdragon: it's on-board so it has no memory of its own |
| 23:29.40 | abrotman | or he could check the logs for errors |
| 23:29.41 | jvw | abrotman: that's a very ultimate measure that so far has only happened... two times iirc, ever. |
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| 23:29.55 | teknoprep | in debain where do i turn on and off /etc/init.d stuff |
| 23:29.56 | gnufan | Hey we could use the increase the video memory in the BIOS for any questions we don't like - instance 5 minutes of peace ;) |
| 23:30.04 | teknoprep | where is the setting to turn that stuff off to be run at boot up? |
| 23:30.07 | jvw | abrotman: in both cases, after serious abuse (trading warez, and hacking computers and abusing root access ttbomk) |
| 23:30.10 | abrotman | jvw: i seem to remember it being discussed recently .. though i can't remember why or by who .. or where :) |
| 23:30.16 | blockd | that too, but for this specific card that's probably what it is... I've dealt with that driver before on something |
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| 23:30.31 | jvw | abrotman: well, it was discussed, but internally, so... can't say more |
| 23:30.51 | uberdragon | blockd: ok I've set it to 8MB rebooting |
| 23:30.52 | abrotman | jvw: we love -private :) |
| 23:31.06 | WoodyWoodpecker | Hi. What is the most simple way to make a copy of my dvd movie ? I got win32 and libcss installed. |
| 23:31.14 | uberdragon | blockd: the "onboard video buffer" I assume you are talkin about |
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| 23:31.22 | TCW | does anyone know how to disable partimaged encryption without the need to compile it manually? |
| 23:31.22 | blockd | without more mem, I think the most you can hope for is 800x600. |
| 23:31.24 | blockd | uberdragon: yep |
| 23:31.24 | gnufan | abrotman: what was the outcome on making private less private? |
| 23:31.43 | abrotman | gnufan: i believe they resolved to deal with future posts only |
| 23:32.00 | blockd | uberdragon: that's why I'm mentioning either increase it in the bios in the X config file... but the bios is an easy way to quickly see if you can get it to work, then tweak it from there |
| 23:32.05 | abrotman | gnufan: http://www.us.debian.org/vote/2005/vote_002 |
| 23:32.07 | jvw | abrotman, gnufan: exactly |
| 23:32.14 | uberdragon | blockd: ok once this reboots.. I need to reconfigure X386 to the i810 drivers? |
| 23:32.26 | uberdragon | err Xfree86 he |
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| 23:32.33 | jvw | which is a pity, because the whole intent was to get stuff like the DFSG discussion in the open... |
| 23:32.37 | blockd | uberdragon: if you used debconf, then it should have asked you for the drivers and i810 should have been an option |
| 23:32.58 | jvw | I think we'll need a separate vote for that, with more limited scope or so... |
| 23:33.03 | abrotman | jvw: i'm of the opinion .. the Contract says not to hide problems .. the -private does just that |
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| 23:33.05 | D3vIN | what sources, do i need so i can upgrade dabian sarge to kde 3.5?? |
| 23:33.14 | abrotman | D3vIN: ask #debian-kde |
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| 23:33.20 | blockd | uberdragon: you can always do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:33.30 | jvw | abrotman: I disagree with that line of reasoning -- it's discussion, not actual real techinical problems |
| 23:33.41 | uberdragon | blockd: hmmm not sure exactly what debconf is.. but I used the latest debian 3.1 install using kernel.org mirror.. andyes it did have an i810 option.. when I installed with it tho.. the gdm just crashes out right |
| 23:33.47 | jvw | abrotman: real problems with the OS are not hidding on -private |
| 23:34.01 | uberdragon | blockd: which is why I reinstalled with "vga" which allowed the gdm to run just in low resolution |
| 23:34.02 | abrotman | jvw: discussion of what? .. problems affecting the project .. which afaik .. is what the contract says they won't hide |
| 23:34.13 | uberdragon | 640x480 to be exact lol |
| 23:34.17 | jvw | abrotman: and -private is no different w.r.t. the constitution on hiding problems then you mailing me privately about some problem with one of my packages |
| 23:34.26 | blockd | uberdragon: ok, but if you do that dpkg-reconfigure thing I showed above you can reconfigure your options without reinstalling |
| 23:34.47 | uberdragon | yup yup I found that much later ;P |
| 23:34.50 | abrotman | jvw: but i would hope that if it were a problem affecting more than just me.. you or I would file a bug or copy the appropriate mailing list with a resolution etc |
| 23:35.15 | uberdragon | << I used linux a LONG time ago.. (grew up in MSDOS).. but I'm back and dedicated a box to relearning the newest ways people are using linux |
| 23:35.30 | jvw | a sufficiently low-profile ML is as effective as -private is to keep a discussion 'private'... |
| 23:35.34 | uberdragon | took me 20 min to remember how to switch terms and show PIDs lol |
| 23:35.58 | abrotman | jvw: dunno .. still seems wrong to me .. but i don't know the contents of the list as i am not a DD :) |
| 23:36.00 | jvw | abrotman: anyway, same holds for -private, if actual issues are discussed, people file bugs |
| 23:36.10 | uberdragon | blockd: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ya? |
| 23:36.16 | gnufan | On the topic of switching consoles... did a recent GNOME update disable this at the GDM login, or was it my fiddling with GDM settings? |
| 23:36.20 | jvw | abrotman: it's much more of a social, meta level |
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| 23:36.25 | blockd | uberdragon: should be fine, then you can get a new file from dexconf |
| 23:36.29 | gnufan | .... for unstable... |
| 23:36.31 | uberdragon | blockd: ooh also.. I am not sure what to put in the BUS section (everything else seems pretty explanitory) |
| 23:36.43 | abrotman | jvw: well .. my understanding was that issues with #debian were discussed on -private |
| 23:36.44 | blockd | uberdragon: unless you have two or more graphics cards don't worry |
| 23:36.44 | teknoprep | where is the setting to turn that stuff off to be run at boot up? |
| 23:36.49 | blockd | uberdragon: leave it blank |
| 23:36.52 | uberdragon | blockd kk |
| 23:36.56 | Laibsch | Hi, I have trouble activating an Okipage 4w on a Debian box. I copied the PPD from http://www.linuxprinting.org/ppd-o-matic.cgi?driver=oki4w&printer=Okidata-Okipage_4w&show=0 to /usr/share/cups/model/ and restarted cupsys. I can choose the PPD file while going through the config at http://localhost:631/printers but I cannot print a test page. All the test pages are aborted for some reason (that is their status). |
| 23:37.17 | jvw | abrotman: true |
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| 23:38.09 | abrotman | jvw: whether or not #debian is the "official" channel is another debate .. but DDs did discuss percieved issues in -private .. which many of the helpers here can't even read archives .. let alone take part in the discussion |
| 23:38.28 | uberdragon | blockd: default color depth? |
| 23:38.35 | teknoprep | anyone? |
| 23:38.36 | WoodyWoodpecker | Does someone copy his dvd movies and give me some help ? |
| 23:38.39 | jvw | abrotman: private discussion about others is going to happen anyway, even just on #d-devel or so |
| 23:38.41 | xerophyte | i moved old server to new server which has same spect .. 1G Ram and 1Gram .. old P4 3.0MH and new AMD 64bit 3.0Mhs .. old server was finie with memory but new one swaping like hell ... the server has mysql and http with around 100 web sites .. could somebody tell me where can i look for this memory usage |
| 23:38.45 | jvw | abrotman: which isn't archived either |
| 23:38.45 | teknoprep | how to stop a service from starting up at boot up? |
| 23:39.01 | abrotman | i thought d-d was archived |
| 23:39.08 | jvw | abrotman: d-d is, #d-d isn't |
| 23:39.12 | abrotman | oh . i know |
| 23:39.23 | gravity | abrotman: For what it's worth, there are participants in this channel who have access to debian-private, and participated in that discussion |
| 23:39.26 | teknoprep | ? |
| 23:39.29 | blockd | uberdragon: 24 is probably fine |
| 23:39.30 | teknoprep | anyone? |
| 23:39.33 | abrotman | gravity: i'm aware of that |
| 23:39.35 | teknoprep | easy question/ |
| 23:39.40 | gravity | abrotman: So it's not like it was only outsiders talking about the fate of people who couldn't hear |
| 23:39.45 | abrotman | gravity: or i would at least one of you did :) |
| 23:39.49 | gnufan | teknoprep: you mean like "man update-rc.d" |
| 23:39.53 | teknoprep | ty |
| 23:40.03 | teknoprep | i didn't know what to look up |
| 23:40.05 | teknoprep | wtf |
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| 23:40.27 | abrotman | gravity: i don't recall being told that any of the DDs i know to sit here were part of it .. but i'm sure one of you spoke up |
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| 23:41.35 | uberdragon | blockd: rebooting.. this should be interesting... I've been trying to get the video running all day lol |
| 23:42.07 | blockd | uberdragon: did you actually replace the old X config file with the new one? The top of the file says it's generated by dexconf... |
| 23:42.16 | uberdragon | blockd: I had actually figured out it was probably i810 but it still wouldn't work.. hopefully changing the bios does the trick |
| 23:42.50 | blockd | uberdragon: if it doesn't, maybe let me see your X config file for a quick sanity check... |
| 23:42.55 | uberdragon | blockd: .... doesn't running the dpkg-reconfig overwrite the XFree86Conf-4 file? |
| 23:43.02 | blockd | uberdragon: not for me it doesn't... |
| 23:43.16 | blockd | uberdragon: read the top of the file and it tells you what program made it |
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| 23:43.20 | liable | blockd: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 23:43.25 | uberdragon | HAH! |
| 23:43.32 | uberdragon | blockd: your a genious man rofl |
| 23:43.46 | abrotman | you're |
| 23:43.53 | uberdragon | blockd: I'm telling ya I did this over and over again all day.. didn't even think about upping the ram in BIOS |
| 23:44.00 | uberdragon | abrotman: ya I'm no english major ^^ :P |
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| 23:44.33 | pack | abrot, duh, he's uber. no grammar can constrain him. |
| 23:44.40 | uberdragon | lol |
| 23:44.58 | blockd | uberdragon: yeah, those cards kinda suck :-) The graphics driver on Windows gives them enough VRAM but I've found you have to do that yourself manually on Linux. Either in the X config or the BIOS. |
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| 23:45.27 | uberdragon | understood |
| 23:45.50 | uberdragon | oddly enough I got this Dell box in the mail.. from some annonymous sender lol |
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| 23:45.59 | uberdragon | well it came from Dell but I didn't order it rofl |
| 23:46.04 | blockd | uberdragon: you might need more VRAM which you can steal from system memory in the X config file. |
| 23:46.08 | abrotman | uberdragon: i sent it to you .. just so you'd come here and i could help you with your grammar :) |
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| 23:46.43 | uberdragon | I figured I'd finally get to make a linux box |
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| 23:46.48 | uberdragon | lol abrotman |
| 23:47.02 | fallonme | abrotman: thass wicked man pickinin on his grammar lol wtf |
| 23:47.05 | fallonme | ;-) |
| 23:47.21 | abrotman | wicked? .. are you from boston? |
| 23:47.41 | fallonme | abrotman: not even close. I'm not a native speaker. |
| 23:47.41 | uberdragon | unfortunately I had to steal my 8 yr olds monitor.. which I will have to give back to him eventualy lol.. so I won't even really be using the GUI.. mostly telneting in :P |
| 23:48.02 | abrotman | uberdragon: use vnc or soemting i suppose |
| 23:48.04 | abrotman | something |
| 23:48.20 | uberdragon | oh true true thats not a bad idea |
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| 23:49.27 | buu | So. Back to NATTING. |
| 23:49.58 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:51.09 | buu | But it's "not working". The boxes can see each other fine on the network |
| 23:51.21 | Axioplase | Hi |
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| 23:52.01 | Axioplase | Anyone knows how to install the java jdk? I'm using the fakeroot command (as in msg dpkg java-packages) but it tells me I am root (which is not the case) |
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| 23:52.05 | jvw | buu: 'the boxes', 'eachother'? Are you sure you realize what NAT can and cannot do for you? |
| 23:52.11 | buu | jvw: God I hope so. |
| 23:52.15 | fallonme | buu: did you do the magic "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE" incantation? |
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| 23:53.00 | buu | fallonme: No =[. I just added it. |
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| 23:53.04 | buu | Let's try that. |
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| 23:53.28 | jvw | buu: basicly, with NAT, you can have a small network of computers access the internet via a linux (NAT'ing) gateway having only one single real internet IP address |
| 23:53.32 | fallonme | buu: replace ppp0 with eth0 or whatever device can see the internet. |
| 23:53.40 | buu | jvw: Holy cow really?! |
| 23:53.42 | buu | fallonme: Yep. |
| 23:53.51 | jvw | buu: it is not a firewall |
| 23:54.25 | fallonme | buu: That and the ip_forward stuff are the crux. You did take a look at NAT-HOWTO, right? |
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| 23:55.02 | buu | fallonme: Hrm. I added it.. |
| 23:55.31 | buu | Now POSTROUTING has "MASQUERADE all -- anywhere" |
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| 23:56.17 | buu | But it's still not getting out. |
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| 23:56.19 | limpio | can i use a logical partition for swap? i intend to install 4 OSes in the same hd. |
| 23:56.31 | fallonme | buu: now, is the machine behind the NAT configured correctly, the internal IP address, default gateway to the other machine, and all? |
| 23:56.32 | caphuso | limpio: sure |
| 23:56.32 | tuv | where is /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq initialized (which startup script)? |
| 23:56.43 | limpio | caphuso: thx bud |
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| 23:57.05 | buu | fallonme: I believe so. The gateway is set to the router box, they can ping each other and so forth. |
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| 23:57.24 | TCW | limpio, what OSes? I am just curious because I did the same years ago and had a bunch of problems with it :) |
| 23:57.40 | ryushe | (re)starting amavis via /etc/init.d/amavis restart results in an error about not having $myhostname set to a FQDN in the config, even tho it is. Directly starting amavisd-new from commandline however starts amavis as it should. Ideas? |
| 23:58.08 | jvw | tuv: /etc/sysctl.conf if anywhere, typically (or the kernel default otherwise) |
| 23:58.26 | fallonme | buu: can you ping an IP address on the net from the nat-ed machine? Try a numeric ip, one that you can confirm it works from the router machine. |
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| 23:58.38 | Tuvok | hi all |
| 23:58.43 | Tuvok | anyone know what */15 mean in crontab minute section ? |
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| 23:58.55 | fallonme | every 15 minutes |
| 23:58.59 | caphuso | Tuvok: man 5 crontab |
| 23:59.01 | tuv | jvw: how do i set it in /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 23:59.13 | kspath | I think I will have to be a ronin |
| 23:59.24 | jvw | tuv: add dev.rtc.max-user-freq = 1234 to that file |
| 23:59.28 | Tuvok | thanks both |
| 23:59.32 | buu | fallonme: Nope. |
| 23:59.34 | fallonme | tuvok: that is, run this if the minutes are 0, 15, 30 or 45. |
