| 00:00.00 | epsilon | how do I change font size in plain fvwm? I have only few pixels per letter and it's hard to read |
| 00:00.04 | Tuvok | thank you. thats what i thought |
| 00:00.09 | fallonme | buu: hrm. Do you have other stuff in iptables on the router machine? |
| 00:00.16 | buu | fallonme: A bit. |
| 00:00.23 | jvw | tuv: and/or do man 5 sysctl.conf as the file says |
| 00:00.34 | tam | hmm -l=1 doesn't work with wget (probably my stupidness). how would i just wget one dir ? i tried doing wget -r http://server.com/mydocs/important/ but it wgets the full site which i don't want |
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| 00:00.39 | tam | any suggestions? |
| 00:00.41 | buu | fallonme: A bunch of "ACCEPT -- anywhere" |
| 00:00.52 | quittt | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 00:00.56 | quittt | what is that? |
| 00:00.59 | blockd | tam: maybe throw in --no-parent (syntax?) somewhere in it |
| 00:01.09 | caphuso | quittt: the stupidity of someone not able to read the /topic |
| 00:01.14 | tam | blockd: sounds good... |
| 00:01.21 | fallonme | buu: if would help if you could clear it all, back to defaults. |
| 00:01.25 | buu | fallonme: Sure. |
| 00:01.27 | tam | blockd: i'll check the man page :) |
| 00:01.31 | blockd | tam: at least if you're doing a recursive wget |
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| 00:02.18 | quittt | caphuso, well... I didn't what it was but I think you could be more polite.... my fucking life isnt my computer... sorry =] |
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| 00:02.51 | abrotman | quittt: you sohuld always read the topic when you enter a channel .. don't be so lazy |
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| 00:03.06 | TCW | quittt, just think one thousand million people asked the same question before... :) |
| 00:03.21 | quittt | TCW, how could I know?? |
| 00:03.30 | abrotman | by reading the topic :) |
| 00:03.45 | buu | fallonme: Well that was fun. |
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| 00:03.53 | TCW | quittt, never theink you are the only one who has a specific problem... ;) |
| 00:04.04 | TCW | -e |
| 00:04.10 | fallonme | buu: oh, you didn't delete one rule by one did you? :-) |
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| 00:04.39 | TCW | quittt, and for sure you were quite sure some others had the problem and solved it... nor you would not have asked here... :p |
| 00:04.44 | buu | fallonme: I win! |
| 00:04.52 | buu | fallonme: Yeah, actually I did. |
| 00:05.04 | k8to | quittt: the problem is resolved in the new apt package |
| 00:05.06 | buu | fallonme: Well, actually I did --flush and the default state for a couple got set to 'DROP' |
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| 00:05.41 | fallonme | buu: strange. |
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| 00:05.55 | tuv | how do i purge an already removed package? |
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| 00:06.06 | caphuso | tuv: dpkg -P |
| 00:06.07 | jvw | tuv: dpkg --purge <pkgname> |
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| 00:06.25 | fallonme | buu: oh well. Probably some firewall package you used before put a default chain into DROP. |
| 00:06.36 | buu | Yep. |
| 00:06.50 | buu | Works great now. |
| 00:06.55 | buu | Someday I'll learn how to do port forwarding. |
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| 00:07.31 | JohnGH | On the Security team page at http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ it has a link to the archive signing key but it is ziyi-2005-7.asc - should there not be one for 2006 now? |
| 00:07.34 | vinay | i cant control volume of skype separate from volume of xmms... any way to make on separate volume controls on the mixer? |
| 00:07.42 | quittt | wow |
| 00:07.46 | quittt | this update is really really big |
| 00:07.49 | k8to | JohnGH: there should be :) |
| 00:07.50 | buu | vinay: Doesn't xmms have a volume control? |
| 00:07.50 | fallonme | buu: You can build from there, add some simple rules and read the faqs, then when you learn to do it all by hand, drop everyithng and use somebody else's firewall scripts. ;-) |
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| 00:07.58 | buu | fallonme: haha, yeah probably. |
| 00:07.58 | abrotman | buu: yes it does |
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| 00:08.10 | JohnGH | vinay: what version of Debian are you using? |
| 00:08.16 | vinay | buu: yes, it uses sound card volume control for PCM ... but reducing volume on PCM also reduces skype's volume ... |
| 00:08.19 | vinay | JohnGH: etch |
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| 00:08.57 | JohnGH | vinay: how did you install skype? I get dependency problems when I try and install it. |
| 00:09.09 | vinay | JohnGH: QT static binary from skype.com :-) |
| 00:09.13 | vinay | no dependencies! |
| 00:09.26 | k8to | vinay: the problem is that xmms changes the global mixer volume for pcm |
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| 00:09.32 | k8to | vinay: which will reduce the sound for all programs |
| 00:09.40 | k8to | vinay: for MOST soundcards |
| 00:09.58 | vinay | k8to: exactly.. do the kernel sound drivers have any way to attach "virtual mixers" to different applications? |
| 00:10.07 | JohnGH | vinay: aha - thanks |
| 00:10.14 | k8to | vinay: there is support for doing stuff like that in ALSA |
| 00:10.38 | k8to | vinay: however, an appliccation can also just scale its output |
| 00:10.45 | Monteiro | is ubuntu a fork of debian but not a package compatible one ? i just cannot understand |
| 00:10.58 | fallonme | buu: I solved the issue by upgrading my internet connection to DSL. Interestingly, the router/modem thingy is running Linux so I still use iptables, I guess. ;-) |
| 00:11.01 | mindmime | Where do I get the server lists for /etc/apt/sources.lists ? |
| 00:11.10 | k8to | vinay: which is the least lossy method, because xmms can decode the mp3/ogg to a different volume level |
| 00:11.13 | mindmime | I want to add more, but don't know where to get the lists to add. |
| 00:11.19 | vinay | Monteiro: an ubuntu package may depend on package Y version X ... but that version of package Y may not exist in the main debian tree |
| 00:11.20 | k8to | vinay: so i perceive this as an xmms failure |
| 00:11.23 | caphuso | mindmime: apt-setup |
| 00:11.27 | odla | !info icewm testing |
| 00:11.34 | vinay | k8to: I see what you mean |
| 00:11.34 | dpkg | icewm: (wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.2.23-1 (etch), Packaged size: 653 kB, Installed size: 1672 kB |
| 00:11.37 | buu | fallonme: Er, what issue is that? |
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| 00:11.48 | vinay | k8to: Part of my problem is that I have everything using OSS emulation over ALSA |
| 00:11.51 | Monteiro | vinay : but i can't install ubuntu packages in a debian system, right ? |
| 00:11.57 | k8to | vinay: however, the method i use is to tell xmms to use the alsa output method, which can do the scaling, and the alsa output plugin has an option to cause the volume slider to control this software scaling |
| 00:12.10 | JohnGH | k8to: is there anyone here who can fix it? |
| 00:12.12 | vinay | Monteiro: that depends... IF the ubunut package dependencies are all, by chance, met in debian.. you could! |
| 00:12.29 | k8to | JohnGH: I do not know |
| 00:12.35 | fallonme | buu: the issue of configuring iptables on the router box. |
| 00:12.37 | epsilon | I have exremly small font in the menu of gfontmgr, how do i change it? |
| 00:12.38 | JohnGH | OK thanks :) |
| 00:12.55 | k8to | JohnGH: consider mailing the list metnioned on the page? |
| 00:12.59 | vinay | k8to: alright.. taht should be enough.. I primarily want xmms and skype to operate simultaneously.. the rest of my applications are running without sound anyway... i'll try that out.. thanks! |
| 00:13.02 | JohnGH | OK thanks |
| 00:13.13 | Monteiro | vinay : tks :) |
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| 00:13.26 | JohnGH | do other people here have up-to-date archive keys? can someone point me to a URL where I can update mine? |
| 00:13.27 | k8to | vinay: the alsa output plugin options have a little checkbox ;) |
| 00:13.28 | buu | fallonme: How does dsl solve that though? |
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| 00:13.52 | k8to | JohnGH: the current apt package has the new key |
| 00:13.57 | fallonme | buu: anyway you have an example for simple tcp service forward in NAT-HOWTO too. file:///usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO.html#toc6.2 |
| 00:14.02 | k8to | JohnGH: 0.6.43.1 |
| 00:14.05 | JohnGH | k8to thank you |
| 00:14.11 | stew | JohnGH: /topic |
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| 00:14.26 | jack3rz | yo whats the quickest way to disable ssh access to a user? |
| 00:14.36 | k8to | JohnGH: i don't know how to verify it, but the release is still signed with the 2005 key, so you could maintain the trust web even, but I don't know how to do that |
| 00:14.43 | stew | jack3rz: set their shell to /bin/false |
| 00:14.50 | jack3rz | stew how can i do that |
| 00:14.51 | JohnGH | stew: thanks |
| 00:14.51 | fallonme | buu: Re: dsl, the modem/router does all the magic. I just configure the dhcp on the local machine and it just works. |
| 00:14.56 | stew | jack3rz: man chsh |
| 00:15.04 | epsilon | jack3rz, /etc/passwd |
| 00:15.08 | buu | fallonme: As opposed to what other isp? |
| 00:15.14 | k8to | JohnGH: i do not recommend the method in the topic, because you add the key to root's keyring |
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| 00:15.31 | jack3rz | stew can i do that with bsd also |
| 00:15.32 | JohnGH | k8to: thank you |
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| 00:15.32 | k8to | JohnGH: i would just install the new apt package over apt's warning. it's as secure anyway |
| 00:15.47 | fallonme | buu: as opposed to, say, an usb dsl modem, or configuring this one with pppoe instead of the router mode. |
| 00:15.58 | buu | fallonme: I'm really confused now. |
| 00:16.00 | JohnGH | I've got that version minus the .1 on the end? is that the right one? (I'm on testing) |
| 00:16.13 | k8to | JohnGH: yes, 0.6.43 was current for testing yesterday |
| 00:16.23 | k8to | JohnGH: 0.6.43.1 fixes this problem as of today |
| 00:16.28 | fallonme | buu: we have two kinds of dsl modems. |
| 00:16.33 | JohnGH | k8to: "apt is already the newest version." |
| 00:16.40 | k8to | JohnGH: apt-get update |
| 00:16.51 | JohnGH | yes - done first |
| 00:17.02 | k8to | JohnGH: do it again. you might ahve gotten a staler mirror |
| 00:17.08 | k8to | JohnGH: *shrug* |
| 00:17.15 | fallonme | buu: usb modems that plug into the computer, and ethernet "modems" that are really small routers. |
| 00:17.16 | k8to | or wait until tomorrow or whatever |
| 00:17.39 | buu | fallonme: Excellent. |
| 00:17.40 | Monteiro | vinay : sorry to disturb, but ubuntu gets the last unstable packages and change it or build their own packages ? |
| 00:17.40 | JohnGH | k8to: I'm trying a different mirror now and will see how I get on :) |
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| 00:18.03 | stew | the current apt in unstable won't hit testing for at least 10 days |
| 00:18.07 | k8to | JohnGH: i just use the http://http.us.debian.org round robin, fwiw |
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| 00:18.12 | k8to | stew: it is already in testing |
| 00:18.21 | k8to | stew: i believe a special exception has been made |
| 00:18.43 | k8to | stew: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apt/news/1.html |
| 00:18.54 | Tchiak | i have kernel-image-2.6.8-11-k8 what kernel source do i need for that? |
| 00:18.55 | fallonme | buu: the router type can work as a router, forwarding the packets from your NAT-ed LAN, or can act as a stupid bridge between the DSL line and the ethernet. In the latter case, you have to use something called PPP-over-Ethernet to connect to your ISP, much like when using a modem. |
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| 00:19.20 | devicenull | I tried to install a new driiver, but I keep seeing modprobe: Can't locate module ra0 |
| 00:19.27 | buu | fallonme: I'm on cable, it just uses a dhcpd |
| 00:19.30 | stew | Tchiak: are you sure you need kernel source and not just headers? what are you trying to do? |
| 00:19.35 | fallonme | buu: that's the router mode. |
| 00:19.52 | Tchiak | i'm installing nvidia drivers from off of nvidia's website |
| 00:19.58 | liable | Tchiak: where'd you get that kernel? |
| 00:20.01 | Tchiak | and it's telling me it needs to proper source package |
| 00:20.04 | Tchiak | off the cd |
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| 00:20.18 | stew | Tchiak: no you only need headers, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 00:20.35 | fallonme | buu: depending on the model, it might or might not have some firewall/NAT capabilities. |
| 00:20.38 | Tchiak | ok that doesn't work |
| 00:20.48 | Tchiak | i tried that one once and it totally screwed it up |
| 00:21.35 | liable | Tchiak: s/it/you/ :) |
| 00:21.51 | Tchiak | no |
| 00:21.53 | Tchiak | it |
| 00:22.01 | Tchiak | i followed it compelety by the oneliner |
| 00:22.06 | Tchiak | and it didn't work ;) |
| 00:22.09 | Tchiak | but thanks for trying |
| 00:22.59 | stew | Tchiak: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 00:23.13 | Tchiak | nevermind figured it out |
| 00:23.15 | Tchiak | thanks |
| 00:23.46 | jack3rz | stew i did this |
| 00:23.56 | jack3rz | but now i cant login on ftp |
| 00:23.57 | jack3rz | to that user |
| 00:24.02 | jack3rz | or ssh |
| 00:24.12 | jack3rz | i need ftp still |
| 00:24.12 | jack3rz | lol |
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| 00:25.11 | stew | jack3rz: which ftp server? |
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| 00:25.17 | jack3rz | proftpd |
| 00:25.32 | stew | jack3rz: proftp has a setting to not require a shell |
| 00:25.42 | jack3rz | ? |
| 00:26.00 | jack3rz | proftpd did work with this user but now /bin/false |
| 00:26.01 | jack3rz | does not |
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| 00:26.25 | stew | jack3rz: yes, find the setting for proftp that allows users to login without a valid shell |
| 00:26.30 | devicenull | I'm not sure how to install kernel modules |
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| 00:26.34 | JohnGH | k8to: can you not fix the adding the key to root's keyring by doing: gpg --delete-key 2D230C5F ? |
| 00:26.45 | k8to | JohnGH: you can |
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| 00:27.02 | jvw | having a key in just a regular user keyring doesn't hurt |
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| 00:27.08 | JohnGH | I needed to - the method in the topic seems to have fixed it - nothing else has |
| 00:27.22 | k8to | adding keys to your keyring that you don't actually trust hurts, in my book |
| 00:27.39 | jvw | k8to: nah, I've auto-downloading keys enabled, and I'm not worried |
| 00:27.49 | ctp | hm, i dont understand this one: trying compiling a tool called splashy returns an error: "/usr/lib/directfb-0.9.2/gfxdrivers/libdirectfb_i810.a: No such file or directory". what my libdirectory contains is libdirectfb_i810.la and libdirectfb_i810.so. but what is a *.a file? |
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| 00:27.51 | JohnGH | k8to: yup - I've got no problem with it either - apart from clutter :o) |
| 00:27.52 | jvw | k8to: it only hurts if you actually trust any key -- just *having* the key isn't a problem |
| 00:27.54 | k8to | jvw: that is your choice! |
| 00:28.00 | edward_ | hello, is there a way to make qt3 "kde" apps use the current gtk2 theme just like you can make gtk2 apps use the qt3 style with that one gtk2 engine? |
| 00:28.09 | stew | jack3rz: put "RequireValidShell off" in your proftpd.conf |
| 00:28.18 | epsilon | I have exremly small font in the menu of gfontmgr, how do i change it? |
| 00:28.24 | jack3rz | ok let me try stew |
| 00:28.24 | jack3rz | thx |
| 00:28.34 | krassy1809 | i just add a new PCI network adapter and i can`t bring up . any ideas ? |
| 00:28.45 | k8to | JohnGH: also i don't like that it's a recommended step at all, since it doesn't provide a means for checking the trustworthiness of the key |
| 00:29.05 | JohnGH | k8to: :o) |
| 00:29.47 | JohnGH | k8to: trustworthyness? sheesh? who cares about that? we just want too make apt more complicated - that's why we have keys now! |
| 00:30.30 | k8to | JohnGH: :~~~( you are joking but that is a common reaction |
| 00:30.38 | JohnGH | :o( |
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| 00:31.10 | kspath | you have to spoon feed security to large groups |
| 00:31.10 | jvw | k8to: you can only verify the key by checking its trust path, and you need to import the key first for that... |
| 00:31.10 | jack3rz | stew: genius |
| 00:31.11 | jack3rz | wrked |
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| 00:31.11 | k8to | JohnGH: luckly the steps taken will probably be ingrained for next year and will cause that changover to be smooth |
| 00:31.11 | jack3rz | :D |
| 00:31.23 | JohnGH | k8to: touch wood!a |
| 00:31.45 | k8to | jvw: it is in the new apt packgage which is provided as part of the release which is signed with the 2005 key, so no, you can get it via a reasonable stream without needing to do that |
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| 00:31.52 | JohnGH | jvw: apt-get install catch-22 |
| 00:32.31 | krassy1809 | need i configuring new PCI network adapter in /etc/network/interfaces or this is unnessesary ? |
| 00:32.35 | azeem | 01:23 < Clint> i thought it was THE Hurd |
| 00:32.38 | azeem | gah |
| 00:32.39 | azeem | sorry |
| 00:33.17 | azeem | shouldn't even |
| 00:33.26 | jvw | jvw: well, you can now yeah, you couldn't a few days ago, also, you still can't do so now, because if you're still having the old apt, apt will say stuff is untrusted, so you don't have a trust measure at all |
| 00:33.27 | k8to | JohnGH: well, i will still be using debian next december probably. and I will check :-) |
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| 00:33.38 | jvw | s/jvw/k8to/, obviously |
| 00:33.48 | k8to | jvw: apt will not automate the check, but you can still check it |
| 00:33.59 | JohnGH | k8to: If the last 6 years are anything to go by I'll be there with you :o) |
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| 00:34.38 | jvw | k8to: which is perfectly equivalent with checking the key to be signed by the old 2005 key... |
| 00:34.51 | k8to | and it is so signed? |
| 00:34.53 | jvw | which has much less indirections |
| 00:35.00 | k8to | i hadn't seen anyone claing it was |
| 00:35.04 | k8to | claiming |
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| 00:35.19 | jack__ | ls |
| 00:35.27 | ethics | gah why cant i find a decent ghetto replication method for oracle....silly internet!! |
| 00:35.30 | jvw | it is signed by the old key, and a number of ftp-team members and such |
| 00:35.59 | k8to | i'm susprised that the 2006 key factoid doesn't provide information for how to verify this which would cause the key acquisition to be reasonably trustable |
| 00:36.22 | kspath | Windows NT File System Internals : A Developer's Guide (Paperback) 180 USD used LOL |
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| 00:36.38 | jvw | huh, the key is now also signed by a random person.. oh well |
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| 00:37.50 | JohnGH | Thanks for your help all |
| 00:37.54 | JohnGH | night night |
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| 00:40.36 | phogg | kspath: isn't there a complete reverse engineered doc for ntfs online for free? |
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| 00:41.07 | kspath | I just found humour in the price of 180 Dollars US |
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| 00:42.26 | krassy1809 | i change a working PCI network adapter with a new with the same chipset . And the new is not work why ? |
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| 00:43.19 | qtac | hey guys, I'm trying to 'mirror' a Debian 3.1 server. I don't want to do a true mirror, but I want my second server to be running the same software/versions as the first one. Can I get a list of packages on the first and install them on the second using apt-get? |
| 00:43.29 | SimonRaven | !tell Tchiak -about root |
| 00:43.34 | stew | qtac: /msg dpkg selections |
| 00:43.42 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 00:43.42 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 00:43.59 | AR | Can you help me : where i can change global variable G_BROKEN_FILENAMES : in gconf i must create this key, or declare thi variable in my profile file or etc. ? |
| 00:44.39 | qtac | cool, thanks mate |
| 00:44.56 | krassy1809 | Why enyone not help me ? |
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| 00:45.39 | AR | kracho: recompile kernel ... |
| 00:45.51 | epsilon | krassy1809: lspci? |
| 00:45.54 | abrotman | recompiling the kernel .. is not the answer |
| 00:46.08 | abrotman | and since you can't seem to compile your own .. why would you suggest that to others? |
| 00:46.13 | AR | kracho: check you kernel config in /boot |
| 00:46.31 | AR | find in his you chipset |
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| 00:46.50 | AR | if you don't find -> recompile ... |
| 00:46.52 | krassy1809 | thanx |
| 00:47.20 | devicenull | how do I fix modprobe saying it cant locate a module |
| 00:47.25 | AR | for information about you pci devices use lspci |
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| 00:49.46 | abrotman | devicenull: depmod -a might help .. what module? |
| 00:49.54 | devicenull | rt2500 |
| 00:50.09 | abrotman | whatever that is :) |
| 00:50.15 | devicenull | wireless card :) |
| 00:50.18 | abrotman | some realtek thingie i'm sure |
| 00:50.28 | devicenull | ralink |
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| 00:50.48 | devicenull | will debian load modules from /lib/modules/X/extra? |
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| 00:55.18 | kspath | ion3 +/- rox |
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| 00:59.51 | Axioplase | kspath: yes, it rocks. |
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| 01:01.39 | kspath | I still like openbox3 as a fall back wm and if I must fluxbox |
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| 01:02.52 | kspath | those that love tabs in firefox will fall in love with ion3 after 1-24 hours of usage |
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| 01:05.30 | bsims | Hrm does anyone know of a good dvdshrink clone that will work with an iso mounted in a loopback? k9copy insists on reading from a /dev/foo entry |
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| 01:07.35 | tung | so, i compiled kernel 2.6.15 with make-kpkg kernel_image and installed it and reboot, now the computer wont boot up |
| 01:07.36 | fallonme | bsims: using /dev/loopX doesn't work? |
| 01:07.41 | tung | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/fwAbVE64.html |
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| 01:07.57 | tung | i pasted the error messages from the bootup screen here: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/fwAbVE64.html |
| 01:08.23 | tung | i can still boot up to the old kernel 2.6.8 fine |
| 01:08.25 | bsims | fallonme: hrm that might work I was trying to get it to use the mountpoint /media/dvd |
| 01:08.40 | harryl | how do I change my monitor from generic to compaq? |
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| 01:10.47 | SimonRaven | !fuck compaq |
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| 01:11.09 | harryl | what purpose of that nonsense |
| 01:11.26 | SimonRaven | harryl: x conf doesn't care very much on the brand, it's the syn rates and such that matter |
| 01:11.35 | SimonRaven | sync* |
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| 01:11.56 | tung | is there any way to log the messages of the bootup sequence? |
| 01:11.58 | bsims | heh |
| 01:12.01 | SimonRaven | the rest is fluff, or custom, if you have a picky monitor |
| 01:12.06 | bsims | !fuck dpkg |
| 01:12.12 | SimonRaven | tung: yes |
| 01:12.17 | harryl | I reinstalled and looks lowsy |
| 01:12.31 | harryl | no bling |
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| 01:12.55 | tung | SimonRaven: im rebooting to the old kernel, and then look for the log file, where is it? |
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| 01:13.06 | tlivingston | anyone know where the log file for postfix is on a debian dist? |
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| 01:13.30 | kspath | !ewe |
| 01:13.30 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 01:13.37 | SimonRaven | tung: /etc/default/bootlogd, read and enjoy editing it |
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| 01:15.29 | Dog-Boy | tlivingston: /var/log/mail.info , .err, .warn |
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| 01:16.14 | asturianu | Hi! |
| 01:16.17 | tlivingston | Dog-Boy, THANKS |
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| 01:17.09 | asturianu | only one question ... how do I run the debian installer in graphical mode? |
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| 01:17.23 | abrotman | the sarge installer ? |
| 01:17.30 | gravity | asturianu: You can't without the new installer, which isn't released yet officially |
| 01:17.32 | asturianu | abrotman, etch |
| 01:17.48 | abrotman | asturianu: did you read the installer website? .. it tells you how in the docs |
| 01:17.57 | asturianu | i've downloaded etch network installer |
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| 01:19.24 | asturianu | abrotman, i've downloaded the etch beta 1 release of the installer |
| 01:19.53 | asturianu | and it says that comes with the graphical installer .. |
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| 01:20.06 | asturianu | but ... how do i run it? |
| 01:20.19 | abrotman | did you read ANY of the documentation? |
| 01:20.46 | abrotman | or read any of the website? |
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| 01:21.25 | SimonRaven | "no, i want someone to hold my hand through it" |
| 01:21.43 | kspath | why should anyone read everyone is supposed to be friendly and support anything/everything |
| 01:21.44 | asturianu | yes .. my english is not quite as good as i would like but i understand that it comes with |
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| 01:24.52 | jumpkick | when do we suppose debian.org will get around to fixing packages.debian.org? or has it gone the way of the site search, not to be seen for years? |
| 01:25.10 | abrotman | jumpkick: there are alternaives |
| 01:25.25 | kspath | I just got the text listing |
| 01:25.34 | kspath | text is your friend |
| 01:25.38 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: not altogether pleasant ones |
| 01:25.56 | kspath | I went A -> Z and Z -> A |
| 01:26.38 | jvw | jumpkick: I hate to say it, but eh, when it's ready. |
| 01:26.47 | jumpkick | abrotman: eventually the google cache expires... then in order to look up packages in unstable I will have to upgrade to unstable? |
| 01:27.11 | abrotman | !tell jumpkick about search |
| 01:27.16 | ke6isf | asturianu: Any reason why you want to use the graphical installer (which, as I read it, is junk), rather than just text mode? |
| 01:27.26 | SerajewelKS | is this a good place to ask questions regarding packaging software, or is there a channel for that? |
| 01:27.34 | SerajewelKS | complete newbie questions, i might add |
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| 01:27.45 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: there is the -mentor channel also |
| 01:27.49 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: I know there's list debian-mentors. |
| 01:28.00 | caphuso | there's also a #debian-mentors channel |
| 01:29.48 | asturianu | ke6isf, only to try |
| 01:30.06 | asturianu | I always do it in text mode |
| 01:30.14 | jumpkick | abrotman:dpkg find is totally useless for getting package version info for stuff in a different release... oh well... |
| 01:30.23 | SerajewelKS | i assume i'm welcome to package my own software without contacting myself =) |
| 01:31.15 | jvw | SerajewelKS: depends, if your schizo, maybe you should |
| 01:31.17 | abrotman | jumpkick: you can use the bot for that |
| 01:31.31 | gravity | heh |
| 01:31.42 | scarynetworkguy | SerajewelKS: As long as you don't forget your TPS reports. Sure. |
| 01:32.02 | SerajewelKS | scarynetworkguy: gah, do i need the cover sheet too? |
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| 01:32.26 | jumpkick | search is probably try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache sear |
| 01:32.31 | kspath | yes, the gnu one |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | jumpkick: what package do you want to know about? |
| 01:33.29 | jumpkick | what the latest package version for plone in unstable, where do I find the changelog |
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| 01:33.38 | jumpkick | any bugs still open |
| 01:33.46 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/plone |
| 01:33.51 | abrotman | !info plone unstable |
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| 01:34.01 | dpkg | plone: (content management system based on zope and cmf), section web, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 01:34.10 | jumpkick | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:34.11 | SerajewelKS | before i set out packaging this thing, perhaps it would be best to ask what the chances of it being accepted are.. it's kind of a niche project. is debian friendly to packages that will probably be used by two people on the planet, or does it try to restrict to more widely-used things? |
| 01:34.21 | abrotman | as far as the changelog .. you can download the package manually .. and unpack it |
| 01:34.37 | jvw | SerajewelKS: you'll have a hard time finding a sponsor then if it's very special purpose... |
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| 01:35.11 | SerajewelKS | jvw: even if i ask nicely? =( |
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| 01:35.25 | jvw | SerajewelKS: yeah -- but well, there are a lot of barely used packages in Debian |
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| 01:35.52 | abrotman | jvw: when are you going to let mplayer through ? :) |
| 01:35.55 | fooz | SerajewelKS, what is the software? |
| 01:36.02 | jvw | SerajewelKS: but, if it's as you say, only 2 or so users, you'd better just package it locally, and email the package to the second person using it |
| 01:36.05 | SerajewelKS | well i might as well say what it does.. it's a Yahoo! Chess client that pretends to be a FICS server -- e.g. use xboard, eboard, and others on Yahoo! |
| 01:36.10 | jvw | abrotman: &**(#$@ |
| 01:36.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:36.17 | Cybo-Mobile | howdy, got a print issue with oo2, can print using cupsys to laser network printer, but oo does not see any printer, how do I change this? |
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| 01:36.53 | fooz | SerajewelKS, sweet |
| 01:37.03 | SerajewelKS | the windows port sees some pretty heavy use |
| 01:37.09 | fooz | SerajewelKS, it'll have more than 2 users |
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| 01:37.16 | SerajewelKS | fooz: you think so? |
| 01:37.22 | fooz | sure |
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| 01:37.36 | SerajewelKS | unfortunately, most people i've seen use it to cheat using a computer >_< |
| 01:37.39 | fooz | can you use it with Windows FICS clients? |
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| 01:37.41 | fooz | and run it on linux? |
| 01:37.50 | SerajewelKS | fooz: not presently, no |
| 01:37.52 | fooz | oh |
| 01:38.03 | SerajewelKS | fooz: the ancient perl version supported the standard ICS helper -p option |
| 01:38.16 | noideaatall | hello , how can i know what programs or sevices are currently listening on my machine ports ? |
| 01:38.18 | SerajewelKS | fooz: so it would interface with the client over a TCP socket instead of stdin/stdout |
| 01:38.29 | SerajewelKS | fooz: i've been too lazy to add that to the C version |
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| 01:39.11 | noideaatall | whats the command ? is it netstat ? |
| 01:39.14 | SerajewelKS | fooz: so, in theory, once i add it you do something like 'yics -p 5000' then connect to 'linux.box:5000' with WinBoard or whatever |
| 01:39.23 | abrotman | noideaatall: fuser / lsof ? |
| 01:39.27 | SerajewelKS | fooz: but if you plan on doing that you might as well use the windows version ;) |
| 01:39.48 | tung | i upgraded kernel and cant boot up with the new kernel, for details http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/sAWaOC57.html |
| 01:40.00 | jvw | noideaatall: netstat -pl as root will work |
| 01:40.06 | tung | how do i neatly deleted the bad kernel and try again |
| 01:40.12 | Cybo-Mobile | howdy, got a print issue with oo2, can print using cupsys to laser network printer, but oo does not see any printer, how do I change this? |
| 01:40.27 | SerajewelKS | !tell Cybo-Mobile about repeat |
| 01:40.48 | blockd | noideaatall: you can also add --inet to not get any of the unix sockets (which will probably be a lot) |
| 01:41.11 | blockd | unix domain sockets, even |
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| 01:41.42 | noideaatall | thank you, but it doesnt say the port # ? |
| 01:41.48 | jvw | noideaatall: it does |
| 01:42.26 | noideaatall | ohh yeah , i need to add the -n parameter |
| 01:42.34 | jvw | noideaatall: possibly symbolic though, with -n indeed you get it 'raw' |
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| 01:43.12 | SerajewelKS | hrm, how come lame and mplayer can't go into non-free? |
| 01:43.23 | jvw | abrotman: grr, your fault! :) |
| 01:43.26 | SerajewelKS | "Packages must be placed in non-free if they are not compliant with the DFSG or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues that make their distribution problematic." |
| 01:43.53 | jvw | SerajewelKS: it's questionable whether it can be distributed at all |
| 01:44.01 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: that's not what non-free is for |
| 01:44.14 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: non-free is for packages which are not DFSG free but which we can actually distribute. |
| 01:44.21 | abrotman | jvw: i didn't do it! |
| 01:44.29 | SerajewelKS | jvw, dondelelcaro: isn't lame not distributed for patent reasons? |
| 01:44.41 | daggett | Hi. Can someone tell me if these instructions : http://www.au.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/... are good for 'unstable'? |
| 01:44.44 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: right, which is a reason why we can't actually distribute it |
| 01:44.47 | abrotman | iirc .. there's a royalty fee on MP3 encoders |
| 01:45.08 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: so what does the "encumbered by patents" phrase for non-free actually accomplish? |
| 01:45.20 | kspath | ogg-vobis! |
| 01:45.23 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: where are you reading that phrase? |
| 01:45.33 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: the policy manual |
| 01:45.39 | dondelelcaro | well, it's inacurate. |
| 01:45.39 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: section 2.2.3 |
| 01:45.45 | Cybo-Mobile | well, for anybody who cares, I fixed the OO problem |
| 01:45.45 | kspath | !ogg |
| 01:45.46 | dpkg | ogg is probably a wrapper format, much like avi, which is designed to be streamable and accept a variety of multimedia codecs. It is a Xiph project, patent free and open. Currently, the only widely used codec for Ogg is Vorbis, an audio codec; ask me about vorbis for more information. Ogg files generally end in .ogg. ask me about xiph |
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| 01:46.33 | SerajewelKS | hrm, my program might conflict with section 2.3... should i ask #debian-legal about that, or #debian-mentor? |
| 01:46.51 | jvw | hm, the layout of http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ is fucked up for me... do others see that too? |
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| 01:47.09 | SerajewelKS | jvw: looks okay here |
| 01:47.09 | jvw | (enumeration symbols overlapping and stuff) |
| 01:47.23 | SerajewelKS | jvw: or... yeah |
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| 01:47.52 | SerajewelKS | jvw: looks like that's how it's declared in the HTML though... <li>1. ..</li><li><ul> ... </ul></li> |
| 01:47.53 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i don't think there is a #debian-legal .. but there is a debian-legal mailing list |
| 01:48.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: so -mentor? |
| 01:48.11 | abrotman | i think it's -mentors |
| 01:48.19 | morfeo | debian español??? |
| 01:48.23 | morfeo | help |
| 01:48.29 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:48.29 | EdLin | !es |
| 01:48.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:48.37 | SimonRaven | !es |
| 01:48.51 | EdLin | GMTA |
| 01:48.54 | SimonRaven | bah fricking lag |
| 01:48.55 | morfeo | ok thank you |
| 01:49.10 | SimonRaven | GMAFTA |
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| 01:49.18 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: right, but the first part of 2.3 restricts it as I've waid... |
| 01:49.22 | EdLin | GMAFTA? |
| 01:49.32 | abrotman | weighed? said? :) |
| 01:49.36 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: true |
| 01:49.51 | SimonRaven | great minds and fools |
| 01:50.02 | EdLin | :P |
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| 01:50.45 | kino | anyone know how to input chinese?? I want scim-pinyin but it doesn't exist in apt |
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| 01:52.11 | Coweater | kino: it's in testing, might look for a backport or do one yourself |
| 01:52.33 | abrotman | kino: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 01:52.59 | BeBrA | hello! |
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| 01:53.16 | simpletron | hello |
| 01:53.35 | Coweater | kino: there is a scim-chinese, seems related, i think pinyin replaces it |
| 01:53.45 | fooz | hi |
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| 01:54.04 | kino | apt has all old packages :( |
| 01:54.06 | kspath | !ewe |
| 01:54.06 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 01:54.10 | BeBrA | I have a jffs2 image and I want to extract files, but I have problem while mounting as loopback. is there any other tool to extract files? |
| 01:54.19 | BeBrA | i.e something like jffs2dump |
| 01:54.30 | Coweater | kino: stable has been frozen for a while now |
| 01:54.39 | fooz | BeBrA, you need to put the jffs2 on a *flash* device. use the MTD emulation driver |
| 01:54.39 | prisine | I have the line "default saved" and --title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.8 (recovery mode) |
| 01:54.41 | prisine | root (hd0,2) |
| 01:54.42 | prisine | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8 root=/dev/hda3 ro vga=794 single |
| 01:54.44 | prisine | savedefault |
| 01:54.45 | prisine | boot -- in menu.lst but my system does not default boot to this place. why? |
| 01:54.51 | kspath | bye |
| 01:54.54 | afabian | kino, on the bright side, apt has all old packages. That is to say, stable and well-tested. |
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| 01:55.53 | BeBrA | fooz: I did, but while some files are OK, other are completely wrong. I mean they contains some other data |
| 01:56.03 | fooz | maybe it's corrupt |
| 01:56.06 | abrotman | prisine: the line is `default <number>` |
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| 01:56.44 | prisine | abrotman: number or saved will do. i have tried both and failed. |
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| 01:57.47 | abrotman | why would you want to make single user your default? |
| 01:58.31 | prisine | abrotman: that is set by grub. but it is another issue at this point. |
| 01:58.43 | fooz | prisine, put 'default saved' in menu.lst |
| 01:58.53 | fooz | prisine, so it boots from the SAVED default, not the one you specify |
| 01:58.56 | kino | afabian: seems kind of stupid to me.. the developers of the software test it and (for the most part) ensure it is stable |
| 01:59.00 | fooz | prisine, then boot from one of those options to SAVE the default |
| 01:59.03 | fooz | prisine, get it? |
| 01:59.09 | kino | why must the debian people also test it |
| 01:59.18 | kino | why freeze apt |
| 01:59.18 | fooz | kino, they do a poor job of it, hehe |
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| 01:59.36 | smacnay | I am trying to use a usb scanner for the first time - libusb, sane, kernel 2.6.12 - 'modprobe usbcore ohci-hcd && lsusb' shows the scanner - 'sane-find-scanner' and 'scanimage -L' shows the device. The device is busy when I start xsane (permissions I assume). How can I set permissions for the device on the fly? |
| 01:59.48 | prisine | fooz: if u look at my earlier msg, u will see that I had already done that. |
| 02:00.00 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:00.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:00.12 | fooz | oh well, then i don't know |
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| 02:00.45 | fooz | that whole feature isn't part of stock grub, it was added by debian |
| 02:00.50 | fooz | it's not real solid |
| 02:01.10 | prisine | fooz: i c. |
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| 02:01.44 | F1r3wall | Sup guys? |
| 02:01.47 | hosler | Does DirectAdmin setup a nameserver for you if you have your own domain, or do I need to installed bind myself and set it all up? |
| 02:01.53 | SimonRaven | the sky |
| 02:02.12 | F1r3wall | That's old buddy |
| 02:02.15 | abrotman | hosler: does what ? |
| 02:02.18 | abrotman | !whoppix |
| 02:02.19 | dpkg | it has been said that whoppix is the old name for WHAX (http://www.iwhax.net), a stand alone penetration testing live cd based on SLAX based on Slackware |
| 02:02.23 | SimonRaven | still true |
| 02:02.45 | hosler | abrotmanL im trying to setup a nameserver |
| 02:02.56 | abrotman | wtf is directAdmin ? |
| 02:03.05 | SimonRaven | i don't care how old it is, been true for the last few billion years |
| 02:03.30 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you know god put it there to confuse australians |
| 02:03.48 | hosler | abrotman: its sorta like cpanel |
| 02:03.52 | SimonRaven | which god? ;) |
| 02:03.57 | abrotman | hosler: and it's in debian ? |
| 02:04.03 | SimonRaven | afk |
| 02:04.11 | abrotman | SimonRaven: dunno . he didn't sign his name with clouds :) |
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| 02:04.24 | fooz | if there is a god, he's definitely afk.. and has been for some time |
| 02:04.43 | hosler | abrotman: yeah |
| 02:04.57 | caphuso | hosler: liar |
| 02:05.09 | hosler | what? |
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| 02:05.12 | abrotman | is it packaged ? |
| 02:05.16 | hosler | no |
| 02:05.19 | recall | I wonder if god uses Debian. He's probably hardcore sid, you know. |
| 02:05.20 | hosler | its a special setup file |
| 02:05.21 | caphuso | you have to pay money to use directadmin. that means it can't possibly be in debian |
| 02:05.47 | hosler | directadmin can run on debian |
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| 02:06.11 | resiak | hosler: So can Unreal Tournament 2004. Would you expect _that_ to be supported here? |
| 02:06.17 | justice_ | hello everyone, i seem to have this strange problem with oidentd on my debian... the box is behind router and i have already forwarded tcp 113 to the box... no luck, ircd won't get a reply from oidentd on request... what might be wrong? |
| 02:06.34 | hosler | resiak: maybe |
| 02:06.37 | caphuso | you can use windows xp running in vmware on debian |
| 02:06.49 | resiak | hosler: Okay, well, the funny thing is ... you're WRONG> |
| 02:06.57 | hosler | i dont get your point |
| 02:07.14 | caphuso | hosler: our point is: you're off topic. you paid for directadmin, so go use their support |
| 02:07.32 | hosler | i have been searching their forums for a while now |
| 02:07.36 | caphuso | it's doubtful that anyone in here knows anything about it |
| 02:07.49 | azeem | asking doesn't hurt, but don't expect answers |
| 02:07.57 | hosler | i know |
| 02:08.24 | kino | what's the sources.list line for unstable / testing ?? |
| 02:08.51 | abrotman | kino: those are two different things |
| 02:08.54 | caphuso | from the directadmin pricing page... * Includes unlimited technical support |
| 02:08.56 | ke6isf | kino: eh? |
| 02:09.18 | kino | I want to use unstable packages |
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| 02:09.31 | bbrazil | !iyhtays |
| 02:09.31 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 02:09.31 | ke6isf | !mixing distros |
| 02:09.31 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 02:09.31 | dpkg | i heard mixing distros is a bad idea. Running Ubuntu packages on Debian systems (or vice-versa) causes problems with package naming and versioning. Don't expect anybody to help you with your system if you do this. |
| 02:09.34 | hosler | well i havnt recieved my direactadmin license yet |
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| 02:09.50 | ke6isf | kino: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 02:09.55 | kino | sarge |
| 02:10.01 | ke6isf | !iyhtays kino |
| 02:10.01 | dpkg | kino: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
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| 02:10.10 | kino | the packages are like a year old |
| 02:10.11 | azeem | kino: what's wrong with it |
| 02:10.27 | ke6isf | kino: And they work, right? |
| 02:10.37 | BlackJudas | Anyone remember where I should specify my module options? Mine are being loaded by hotplug at the moment, and I'm not sure where it's "proper" now to set extra options for each module loading |
| 02:10.42 | ke6isf | kino: Do you really, *really* need bleeding edge stuff that will make your system unreliable? |
| 02:11.01 | caphuso | BlackJudas: /etc/modprobe.d/* |
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| 02:11.28 | themusicgod1 | what package contains GLIB >= 2.4.0 ? |
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| 02:11.35 | themusicgod1 | if any |
| 02:11.38 | resiak | show libglib-2.0-dev |
| 02:11.40 | resiak | !show libglib-2.0-dev |
| 02:11.48 | ke6isf | themusicgod1: what's the application? |
| 02:11.49 | resiak | erm, I suck |
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| 02:11.53 | resiak | !info libglib-2.0-dev |
| 02:11.57 | themusicgod1 | ke6isf: audioscrobbler xmms plugin |
| 02:12.03 | resiak | Okay, I _totally_ suck. Ignore me. |
| 02:12.09 | ke6isf | resiak: Easy mistake. |
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| 02:12.30 | ke6isf | themusicgod1: What version of Debian? |
| 02:12.33 | resiak | Ah HAH |
| 02:12.36 | resiak | !info libglib2.0-dev |
| 02:12.37 | themusicgod1 | sid :( |
| 02:12.40 | dpkg | libglib2.0-dev: (Development files for the GLib library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.8.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 491 kB, Installed size: 1831 kB |
| 02:12.47 | ke6isf | themusicgod1: what resiak said. |
| 02:12.49 | ke6isf | !win resiak |
| 02:12.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, resiak! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia! |
| 02:13.05 | ke6isf | In Soviet Russia, ticket wins you! |
| 02:13.21 | justice_ | anyone willing to help with oidentd not willing to identify me on irc? |
| 02:13.23 | hosler | Im really new to named servers, and I want to make sure I understand this. If I installed BIND onto my debian server and setup all the zones correctly, I can set my nameserver on my domain i want to become the name server to my servers ip and it will work, right? |
| 02:13.25 | kino | ok so where do I go to figure out how to run unstable debian |
| 02:13.30 | kino | where is the debian handbook |
| 02:13.35 | resiak | kino: If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 02:13.39 | resiak | !tell kino -about sid faq |
| 02:13.46 | ke6isf | !iyhtays kino |
| 02:13.47 | dpkg | kino: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 02:13.50 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 02:13.51 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 02:14.01 | beardy | kino: By running stable. |
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| 02:14.12 | ke6isf | kino: I ask it again: Do you really, *really* need bleeding edge stuff that will make your system unreliable? |
| 02:15.09 | kspath | he didnt raise his right hand! |
| 02:15.11 | green_earz | kino: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 02:16.11 | abrotman | green_earz: are you going to support him? |
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| 02:16.42 | BlackJudas | caphuso, thanks. |
| 02:16.47 | kino | I run fbsd current just fine |
| 02:16.50 | green_earz | no not realy and hello there |
| 02:16.52 | kino | how hard can debian be |
| 02:16.59 | afabian | kino, the point of stabilization and packaging is partially to save you the integration work. There is nothing wrong with other approaches, but that is the approach Debian takes. Someone that wants more up-to-date stuff with a potentially buggier distribution can use testing, or Ubuntu. If they want latest-stable everything and don't mind downloading a compiling a few packages (after all, you're placing the premium on latest-stable |
| 02:16.59 | afabian | , not integration and packaging), there are distributions like slackware. |
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| 02:17.43 | kspath | linux from scratch? |
| 02:17.52 | abrotman | green_earz: theen please don't tell someone how to break thier box |
| 02:17.53 | afabian | And solutions in between, like Debian backports. |
| 02:17.57 | kyncani | gentoo :p |
| 02:18.06 | ke6isf | kino: How hard can it be?! Dude, if you've ever watched ANY cartoons, you should know never to ask any questions like that. |
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| 02:18.41 | roler | if I have a dyndns.org address pointing to my computers IP address, but it is not my IP's reverse lookup, how can I add the dyndns.org domain to hosts.allow so it can be used? |
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| 02:18.51 | ke6isf | He didn't learn his lesson. Nevertheless, the lesson is over for the day. Happy Sunday. |
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| 02:19.27 | ke6isf | kspath: Well, he didn't want to listen to us, so he'll learn the hard way. |
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| 02:20.00 | ke6isf | I should go get water. |
| 02:20.08 | abrotman | !lart kspath |
| 02:20.09 | ke6isf | !lart kspath |
| 02:20.14 | ke6isf | abrotman: Bah! |
| 02:20.20 | abrotman | oh wait .. wrong one |
| 02:20.25 | abrotman | !punish kspath |
| 02:20.29 | abrotman | nope .. |
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| 02:20.52 | kspath | !impale abrotman |
| 02:20.55 | BlackJudas | Hrrm, should I just start a new file and specify my options under /etc/modprobe.d? or is there a defacto filename I should be using? man's not helping here. |
| 02:21.02 | kspath | !bier abrotman |
| 02:21.12 | caphuso | BlackJudas: /etc/modprobe.d/local works nicely |
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| 02:21.49 | BlackJudas | Nice :). |
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| 02:22.42 | roler | so is there a way to do this with hosts.allow? |
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| 02:24.27 | beardy | wtf was roler |
| 02:24.58 | abrotman | dyndns |
| 02:25.08 | beardy | 4 minutes.. |
| 02:25.12 | beardy | HI abrotman |
| 02:25.23 | abrotman | HELLO! |
| 02:25.49 | hosler | hi |
| 02:26.04 | hosler | Can someone help me setup my own nameserver using bind? |
| 02:26.04 | abrotman | hosler: it's still not a package in debian |
| 02:26.08 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:26.27 | abrotman | hosler: install bind9-doc .. the Bind ARM is pretty complete |
| 02:27.07 | hosler | do you know how to create new nameservers with godaddy? |
| 02:27.43 | abrotman | i'm sure there's a pretty simple explaination on thier website |
| 02:28.00 | hosler | its hard to find |
| 02:28.05 | abrotman | i mean .. it's not hard on netsol.com .. and thier website sucks |
| 02:28.42 | hosler | im not trying to set name servers. I am trying to register them. |
| 02:28.51 | abrotman | i know |
| 02:28.55 | hosler | ok |
| 02:29.07 | abrotman | kspath: could you bring me some brats ? |
| 02:30.15 | kspath | abrotman: brats? kids? little girls toys? parts? |
| 02:30.23 | abrotman | kspath: bratwurst! |
| 02:30.50 | kspath | johnsonville is decent and there is another brand that is decent |
| 02:31.08 | kspath | cook in bier with onions and some spices YUMMY! |
| 02:31.23 | abrotman | kspath: i'm well aware of how to cook brats :) |
| 02:31.28 | kspath | lol |
| 02:31.55 | kspath | I have never been to philly area that I know of |
| 02:32.19 | abrotman | kspath: my mom's family is from WI |
| 02:32.25 | abrotman | !cheesesteak kspath |
| 02:32.48 | kspath | !Eli's Cheesecake abrotman |
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| 02:35.16 | kspath | abrotman: they have Johnsonville at our local grocery but you are better off having them shipped from WI |
| 02:35.32 | abrotman | kspath: we have johnsonville here also |
| 02:35.39 | kspath | yum |
| 02:36.21 | kspath | I like veggies though much healthier than piles of slaughtered and cooked animal parts |
| 02:36.45 | abrotman | kspath: to hell with that .. brats are great .. i don't care what's in them! |
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| 02:37.15 | kspath | or who? |
| 02:38.05 | kspath | you never know with all those mobster movies always chopping up the snitch in the meat packing plant |
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| 02:38.19 | abrotman | don't care .. they taste good! |
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| 02:39.07 | tux | hello, what are entries within the resolv.conf for the slave DNS server, primary and secondary DNS on the same subnet |
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| 02:39.36 | bbrazil | tux: I don't think resolv.conf does what you think it does |
| 02:39.38 | kspath | 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.255 |
| 02:39.45 | liable | yay, firefox crashed again |
| 02:39.49 | tux | ok... |
| 02:39.52 | abrotman | bbrazil: it certainly doesn't :) |
| 02:39.53 | bbrazil | tux: 'nameserver x.y.z.q' |
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| 02:40.27 | tux | the nameserver would be from the primary? or the dns of our internet provider? |
| 02:40.42 | bbrazil | tux: is this system a DNS server? |
| 02:40.44 | kspath | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:40.48 | abrotman | tux: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:40.50 | kspath | nameserver 255.255.255.255 |
| 02:40.58 | kspath | nameserver 127.0.0.255 |
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| 02:41.19 | tux | bbrazil local DNS only within our small office, primary is up i want to have a slave... |
| 02:41.29 | _Sam-- | is it possible to use bootsplash with stock sarge kernel without recompiling new kernel? |
| 02:41.34 | bbrazil | tux: so you want to setup this server to be a dns slave? |
| 02:41.43 | tux | yes ... |
| 02:41.50 | abrotman | _Sam--: afaik .. no |
| 02:42.00 | bbrazil | tux: right - first install bind9 |
| 02:42.06 | abrotman | and then bind9-doc :) |
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| 02:42.11 | _Sam-- | at least that makes me feel better about not making it work |
| 02:42.13 | tux | ok ... |
| 02:42.27 | abrotman | _Sam--: if you want .. you can try a few more times ... |
| 02:42.42 | _Sam-- | i can get it into vga mode but no splash |
| 02:42.58 | bbrazil | tux: then you'll need to add a zones section for each zone you want to be the slave for |
| 02:43.00 | recall | Hrm, does Firefox not pick up on GTK's font? |
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| 02:43.34 | tux | ok thanks guys :) |
| 02:43.40 | bbrazil | tux: then you'll need to setup the zone on the primary to have a NS record for the secondary |
| 02:44.10 | deconvolution | hello, i did rm * from my terminal, is there anyway i can recover my code, Thanks so much for any hints |
| 02:44.18 | bbrazil | deconvolution: backups |
| 02:44.22 | fooz | deconvolution, restore from your backup |
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| 02:44.36 | bbrazil | deconvolution: or your version control system |
| 02:44.38 | deconvolution | bbrazil: i didnt, so i cannot do anything from recover? |
| 02:44.39 | recall | I'm pretty sure he would have thought of that :) |
| 02:44.48 | kspath | deconvolution: backups from keyboard and do not stop till next morning |
| 02:44.49 | bbrazil | deconvolution: its theoritically possible, maybe |
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| 02:44.58 | Mace | i need to make a new mp3 partition, what type of file system could it be so that both windows and linux can write to it? |
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| 02:45.08 | deconvolution | i did some important change from my last version |
| 02:45.16 | bbrazil | hit and run question :) |
| 02:45.17 | Daedalus_ | MACE: fat32 |
| 02:45.17 | deconvolution | bbrazil: how to do that? |
| 02:45.19 | recall | Mace, FAT32, maybe NTFS. |
| 02:45.28 | caphuso | Mace is gone |
| 02:45.34 | beardy | tard.. |
| 02:45.46 | bbrazil | deconvolution: *shrug*, probably something in e2fstools |
| 02:45.55 | recall | He was probably using Ubuntu, saw the title, and ran. =) |
| 02:46.02 | deconvolution | bbrazil: i am using xfs file system |
| 02:46.10 | recall | s/title/topic |
| 02:46.22 | caphuso | deconvolution: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#undelete |
| 02:46.28 | bbrazil | deconvolution: then the equivilent. you'd want to be remounting read-only very quickly |
| 02:46.46 | bbrazil | recall: blasphemy - users don't read the topic |
| 02:47.02 | deconvolution | so is there is no way to recover from my code? |
| 02:47.13 | abrotman | what filesystem? |
| 02:47.17 | bbrazil | deconvolution: grep the raw device |
| 02:47.18 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 02:47.30 | deconvolution | xys, it spent my full 2- day work |
| 02:47.56 | deconvolution | bbrazil: I only rm from the directory, so how grep the raw device? |
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| 02:49.28 | bbrazil | deconvolution: look at the output of 'mount' and see what device your data was on |
| 02:50.18 | deconvolution | bbrazil: could you give me more details, highly appreciate! |
| 02:50.22 | darkcmd | how is everyone? |
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| 02:50.38 | bbrazil | deconvolution: which directory was it? |
| 02:51.05 | deconvolution | /home/fk/workshop |
| 02:51.15 | deconvolution | i did a rm * inside that directory |
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| 02:51.40 | bbrazil | and in the 'mount' output - what is the longest substring prefix match for /home/fk/workshop ? |
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| 02:51.55 | caphuso | run "df /home/fk/workshop" |
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| 02:52.15 | bbrazil | caphuso: useful |
| 02:52.24 | wuming | I got this error"ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.1 port 22: Connection refused" is this mean something wrong with my ssh server? |
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| 02:52.44 | deconvolution | caphuso: at different directory? |
| 02:52.51 | caphuso | deconvolution: doesn't matter |
| 02:52.52 | abrotman | wuming: what do you think it means? |
| 02:53.23 | wuming | firewall problem? network setting(port forward problem) |
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| 02:53.27 | _Sam-- | using the debian package 'bootcd'...if i boot with something like knoppix, and chroot to my what i want to make the bootcd of...will the command make the bootcd of the chroot? |
| 02:53.31 | newer | hello good night |
| 02:53.34 | newer | I want resize partitions for Ubuntu |
| 02:53.35 | blockd | the sgi xfs faq makes it look pretty bleak in terms of recovering your data after a rm |
| 02:53.40 | abrotman | newer: #ubuntu |
| 02:53.46 | newer | how? |
| 02:53.53 | abrotman | newer: /join #ubuntu |
| 02:53.54 | deconvolution | caphuso: it shows the disk allocates |
| 02:53.58 | newer | ok |
| 02:54.01 | newer | :) |
| 02:54.09 | caphuso | deconvolution: it also shows you the device node |
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| 02:54.34 | deconvolution | yes /dev/mapper/vg_guard-lv_home |
| 02:54.34 | caphuso | which is the piece of information that you're after |
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| 02:55.31 | deconvolution | i use lvm |
| 02:56.25 | deconvolution | so the node should be /dev/vg_guard/lv_home |
| 02:57.29 | caphuso | deconvolution: somewhere on that device is, if you're lucky, your data, now you only need to extract it from there |
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| 02:58.31 | deconvolution | caphuso: how can I discover from that partition? |
| 02:58.32 | caphuso | first step: umount it, or at least remount it readonly to avoid using even more data |
| 02:58.40 | caphuso | s/using/losing |
| 02:58.46 | deconvolution | right! |
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| 03:01.56 | openoff | folks in #oo have all gone to bed. i am now using00-1.1. can i choose to upgrade to 2.0 selectively, say spreadsheet and wordprocessor? |
| 03:02.07 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 03:02.11 | deconvolution | caphuso: what's the next step ? |
| 03:02.20 | caphuso | deconvolution: extracting whatever data you can find |
| 03:02.50 | deconvolution | caphuso: which cmd I can use to extract data from a directory? |
| 03:03.10 | wuming | my dlink wireless router sucks, if i buy a new one, any recommandation??? |
| 03:03.12 | caphuso | deconvolution: from the device, not from a directory |
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| 03:03.51 | liable | wuming: take a look at whirlpool forums |
| 03:03.53 | abrotman | openoff: there is also #debian-oo |
| 03:04.02 | deconvolution | caphuso: you mean I will dump whole partition data? |
| 03:05.06 | caphuso | deconvolution: you can do something like "grep -a -A 100 somestringyouknowthatappearsinthefilesyoulost /dev/mapper/vg_guard-lv_home" |
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| 03:05.42 | openoff | abrotman: i mentioned earlier that folks there have all gone to bed. |
| 03:05.51 | caphuso | and gradually adjust the grep command until you managed to extract all/most/sufficient lost data |
| 03:05.55 | abrotman | openoff: not #oo .. #debian-oo |
| 03:06.11 | openoff | abrotman: shortened. |
| 03:06.18 | abrotman | ok .. just making sure |
| 03:06.30 | caphuso | don't forget to make a pause every 5 minutes to curse yourself for not having backups |
| 03:06.31 | deconvolution | caphuso: adjust? you mean the number after -A? |
| 03:06.41 | caphuso | deconvolution: that and the string |
| 03:06.48 | openoff | i just found out that i need 109MB of download to upgrade to 2.0. ridiculous. |
| 03:07.06 | kspath | write your own |
| 03:07.10 | abrotman | openoff: complain to the people who wrote it .. not packaged it |
| 03:07.13 | kspath | in asm |
| 03:07.21 | caphuso | kspath: with ed |
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| 03:07.29 | darkcmd | hey guys give me your opinion... flatscreen crt or 15" lcd |
| 03:07.32 | kspath | caphuso: :-) |
| 03:07.48 | abrotman | i'd settle for someone rewriting notepad in whitespace/brainfuck |
| 03:07.48 | kspath | darkcmd: brands matter |
| 03:07.54 | centrx | openoff, you can choose to not install certain parts though |
| 03:07.55 | darkcmd | NEC |
| 03:07.56 | kspath | darkcmd: models matter |
| 03:08.01 | darkcmd | lcd = nec |
| 03:08.10 | kspath | darkcmd: I love LCD for editing and irc |
| 03:08.18 | darkcmd | yeah? |
| 03:08.23 | darkcmd | anything else a problem? |
| 03:08.31 | recall | Refresh rates, contrast ratios, 8-bit color?, good reviews? |
| 03:08.43 | kspath | well I do not do multimedia so I can not speak to that |
| 03:08.44 | abrotman | darkcmd: #hardware |
| 03:08.48 | openoff | centrx: that was what i intend todo. say, if i want to upgrade the ss and the wp, how to do it? |
| 03:08.55 | abrotman | darkcmd: and it depends on your usage obviously |
| 03:09.17 | centrx | openoff, you probably can't have different versions of the spreadsheet/word processor in comparison to the other components, but if you simply don't use the powerpoint-thing, math-equations, etc. you can choose to simply not install those (rather, to uninstall them), or you could choose to not install them, and then install them later |
| 03:09.23 | kspath | darkcmd: viewsonic and dells are good but there are many kinds and types and sizes and prices and models |
| 03:09.43 | darkcmd | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1190227&CatId=164 |
| 03:09.59 | abrotman | or you could ask #hardware |
| 03:10.04 | darkcmd | I am now |
| 03:10.04 | openoff | centrx: do they come as independent packages, those ss and wp? |
| 03:10.11 | centrx | openoff, when you use whatever frontend you use, such as dselect, aptitude, or synaptic, choose to -- yes that's correct |
| 03:10.25 | centrx | openoff, they didn't use to i think, but the new packages do |
| 03:10.31 | kspath | darkcmd: compare to same amount of money for a dell model |
| 03:10.49 | centrx | openoff, so i just have "writer" and "math" installed (openoffice.org-writer, openoffice.org-math) |
| 03:10.57 | kspath | darkcmd: why not a 17" 1280x1024 ? |
| 03:10.58 | tengulre | which UML tools are you selected? when you plan developt a big project, how to split the module or function? |
| 03:11.34 | centrx | openoff, which both require a common component (openoffice.org-core), but not the database, spreadsheet, drawing, or presentation program, or the various help files, etc. |
| 03:11.44 | kspath | darkcmd: I watch DVDs on my dell LCD no problems |
| 03:11.58 | kspath | darkcmd: but I must stop offtopic |
| 03:12.05 | darkcmd | yeah.. sorry about that |
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| 03:12.11 | darkcmd | thanks for the suggestions I appreciate it |
| 03:12.15 | darkcmd | I gotta go |
| 03:12.25 | openoff | centrx: so now i would uninstall the 1.0 and then selectively install the 2.0 ss and wp? shouldn't there be a base oo package to support these? |
| 03:12.28 | centrx | openoff, whereas the meta-package (openoffice.org, which used to be the full package), that is empty itself but depends on all of the OO components, will install all the stuffy you probably don't want |
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| 03:12.34 | centrx | openoff, yes |
| 03:12.53 | centrx | if you uninstall what you have now, and then do: apt-get install openoffice.org-writer openoffice.org-calc |
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| 03:13.09 | centrx | openoff, that will install the wp and ss, and everything they absolutely require |
| 03:13.24 | Guerin | openoff: oobase comes in with any component, as I understand |
| 03:13.30 | deconvolution | caphuso: I got a unique key strings but I cannot find anything as -A 100 |
| 03:13.41 | abrotman | EleckttrusS: turn it off .. we don't care |
| 03:13.48 | caphuso | deconvolution: huh? |
| 03:13.49 | EleckttrusS | opss |
| 03:13.49 | Guerin | EleckttrusS: Fucktard Factory - EleckttrusS_is_a_twat.mp3 |
| 03:13.50 | deconvolution | caphuso: could I adjust it to -A 300 or somthing like that? |
| 03:13.56 | EleckttrusS | Guerin, jajajajajajajaja |
| 03:13.59 | openoff | Guerin:if it is only oobase, that is ok. |
| 03:14.16 | EleckttrusS | abrotman, Guerin they are american?? |
| 03:14.20 | deconvolution | caphuso: all my file name was beginning with "fis_" |
| 03:14.25 | abrotman | does it matter? |
| 03:14.33 | Guerin | openoff: yeah, well, it's not really optional, like impress and so |
| 03:14.52 | centrx | Guerin, oobase is the database program, but yet, it's oocommon and oocore that come with every component |
| 03:14.56 | caphuso | deconvolution: you need to search for file content |
| 03:14.57 | centrx | s/yet/yes |
| 03:15.01 | openoff | centrx: Guerin: thks for the info. got to go and work it out. |
| 03:15.07 | Guerin | centrx: ah, right-o |
| 03:15.27 | caphuso | deconvolution: and you need to use different values of -A x, -B x and maybe -C x |
| 03:15.30 | Guerin | EleckttrusS: you don't have to be american to hate morons ... in fact, it helps if you're not. |
| 03:15.35 | deconvolution | caphuso: my file (code) content also include "fis_" |
| 03:15.41 | caphuso | deconvolution: that's good |
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| 03:17.41 | deconvolution | caphuso: can I jump binary file only for text? |
| 03:17.41 | Xenguy | hi - how can I find out the module name for my sound card? |
| 03:17.47 | abrotman | lsmod ? |
| 03:17.57 | caphuso | deconvolution: you can use strings on it |
| 03:18.08 | caphuso | hotplug? udev? |
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| 03:18.28 | caphuso | hwinfo, discover, kudzu, ... |
| 03:18.50 | deconvolution | caphuso: I am using cmd like "grep -a -A 100 fis_ /dev/mapper/vg_guard-lv_home" is this correct? |
| 03:19.01 | caphuso | deconvolution: it's a start |
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| 03:21.39 | deconvolution | caphuso: I cannot see any clue |
| 03:22.32 | caphuso | deconvolution: there's nothing left that i can tell you |
| 03:22.52 | caphuso | you know what to do, now all that's left is that you actually do it |
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| 03:23.09 | Xenguy | If I do 'lspci' and get this line included: 0000:04:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 05) |
| 03:23.14 | |Slurpee| | can someone PLEASE help me install my nvidia video card? |
| 03:23.16 | deconvolution | caphuso: thanks so much anyway |
| 03:23.26 | Xenguy | Then is EMU10k1 the module name? |
| 03:23.34 | smacnay | what is the recommened hotplug config tool? hotplug? |
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| 03:23.42 | lolo1345 | hello |
| 03:23.44 | abrotman | !tell |Slurpee| about nvidia one-liner |
| 03:23.46 | Guerin | Xenguy: no, that's the chipset. |
| 03:23.59 | lolo1345 | i have a problem with firefox |
| 03:24.05 | |Slurpee| | abrotman, been there |
| 03:24.18 | Xenguy | Guerin: is there a silver bullet that will show me what module name to include in /etc/modules ? |
| 03:24.19 | Guerin | Xenguy: if the module is called emu10k1, that's coincidence - in this case, the alsa module is snd-emu10k1 |
| 03:24.25 | Gnea | lolo1345: yeah, it's a memhog, known issu |
| 03:24.31 | Gnea | *issue |
| 03:24.47 | Guerin | Xenguy: nttbomk. You more or less just have to browse through modconf or grep kernel config |
| 03:24.51 | Guerin | or google |
| 03:24.52 | centrx | oh man there are so many goat pics on wikipedia |
| 03:25.28 | abrotman | Gnea: mine only downloads naked pictures of you .. i keep filing bugs ... but they say it's a PEBKAC |
| 03:25.35 | lolo1345 | Gnea, thanks. And what can i do? |
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| 03:27.06 | beardy | centrx: Everyone will find what he is looking for.. |
| 03:27.37 | Guerin | beardy: except Bono |
| 03:27.47 | abrotman | !smack Guerin |
| 03:27.49 | TraceGreen | hello, which tool can help me using modem to dial up? |
| 03:27.55 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 03:28.38 | liable | TraceGreen: pppconfig or wvdial for a start or the gnome/kde front ends. |
| 03:28.43 | beardy | TraceGreen: If you mean to an ISP, ppp. |
| 03:28.53 | dlinksucks | is debian firewall turned on by default? |
| 03:29.00 | abrotman | no |
| 03:29.02 | Guerin | dlinksucks: no. |
| 03:29.08 | dlinksucks | ok |
| 03:29.14 | dlinksucks | then dlink really sucks |
| 03:29.17 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:29.19 | abrotman | or you do |
| 03:29.21 | centrx | heh |
| 03:29.21 | Guerin | film at 11 |
| 03:29.41 | lolo1345 | what can i do with firefox? it says:Xlib: connection to "0.0" refused by server. Xlib: No Protocol specified. (firefox-bin:3397): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display |
| 03:29.49 | abrotman | stop running it as root |
| 03:30.11 | centrx | lolo1345, yea you are probably running it as root, which is a bad idea in general aside from being unnecessarily causing that error |
| 03:30.12 | TraceGreen | beardy, yeah, but i am use fluxbox. liable |
| 03:30.22 | beardy | lolo1345: Stop running other things as root aswell, unless you have to. |
| 03:30.35 | TraceGreen | so, can i still use pppconfig or wvdial? |
| 03:30.38 | liable | TraceGreen: then ppp (pon/pof) or wvdial |
| 03:30.39 | beardy | where "have to" means less than you think |
| 03:30.49 | liable | TraceGreen: there cli apps |
| 03:31.00 | beardy | poff |
| 03:31.04 | abrotman | beardy: actually .. when would you *ever* have to run a browser as root ? |
| 03:31.19 | beardy | abrotman: Never, did I say that? |
| 03:31.24 | TraceGreen | liable, thanks. |
| 03:31.30 | liable | yw |
| 03:31.32 | abrotman | beardy: you said "less than you think" ... |
| 03:31.43 | lolo1345 | if i don't do it as root it says: Xlib: connection to "0.0" refused by server. Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client. (firefox-bin:3397): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display |
| 03:31.53 | abrotman | then don't run X as root |
| 03:32.00 | liable | lolo1345: then stop logging into xdm as root |
| 03:32.12 | beardy | abrotman: Yeah? You don't need to be root to compile a kernel, though it's common to think so. |
| 03:32.26 | abrotman | beardy: that has nothing to do with a web browser :) |
| 03:32.29 | beardy | abrotman: Therefore, less tims than you think. |
| 03:32.48 | lolo1345 | dough...i don.t understand...i'm sorry... |
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| 03:32.56 | beardy | abrotman: "Stop running other things as root aswell" did you miss that? |
| 03:33.04 | lolo1345 | i just left windows |
| 03:33.04 | centrx | lolo1345, you should always log in as a user under normal circumstances and only use root for system administration |
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| 03:33.33 | centrx | lolo1345, it is one of the major security benefits of unix-based systems, it is important to run your normal programs as a user |
| 03:33.36 | liable | lolo1345: when you log into your system, dont log in as root. |
| 03:33.38 | abrotman | beardy: just stop with stuff as root .. don't .. it's bad .. i don't know why you're trying .. silly canadians! |
| 03:33.48 | beardy | abrotman: ... |
| 03:33.57 | abrotman | !confuse beardy |
| 03:33.57 | dpkg | Yes, who are their badger today, beardy? wellies of the monarchy of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
| 03:34.08 | lolo1345 | but, i'm tried as a normal user |
| 03:34.11 | beardy | !fix abrotman |
| 03:34.38 | centrx | lolo1345, root is the super-user which can do anything at all on the system, but all a normal user needs to be able to do is run these programs and save data in his own specific directory (and a few other things that needn't concern you at this time and won't be a problem because they are set up properly) |
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| 03:34.56 | centrx | lolo1345, what went wrong when you ran as a normal user? |
| 03:34.59 | lolo1345 | if y run it bye de debian menu, it doesn't work neither |
| 03:35.34 | centrx | lolo1345, you logged in as a non-"root" user or you just tried to run a program as a non-root user that didn't work? |
| 03:35.49 | lolo1345 | centrx : firefox doent's run (as root neither)(or either...i don't know how to say it...sorry) |
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| 03:36.12 | hate29 | hi. need help with nvidia twinview? |
| 03:36.16 | lolo1345 | ok, let me explain what i do |
| 03:36.50 | beardy | lolo1345: Run 'whoami', paste the result here. |
| 03:37.38 | kspath | !ewe |
| 03:37.38 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 03:37.43 | abrotman | !bark |
| 03:37.47 | ke6isf | !tell hate29 -about nvidia |
| 03:37.57 | abrotman | or ask #nvidia |
| 03:38.24 | lolo1345 | i installed Debian stable. Then i updated the kernel, install x-window-system and wmaker. Then i log as normal user on debian., and i used aptitude to install mozilla firefox. Then i tried to run mozillafirefo and nothing, it doesn't appear |
| 03:38.31 | ke6isf | lolo1345: What's your native language? |
| 03:38.45 | lolo1345 | beardy: it says "alvaro" |
| 03:39.14 | abrotman | beardy: just why in the hell would you sort them? :) |
| 03:39.22 | lolo1345 | ke6isf: ...:$ sorry, it is spanish... |
| 03:39.29 | beardy | Their not. _un_ sorted |
| 03:39.34 | beardy | they're |
| 03:39.35 | ke6isf | lolo1345: No worries. Have you tried asking in #debian-es? |
| 03:39.36 | hate29 | ok.. I got (finally) twinview to work, but some programs uses both screens in full screen mode. Is there any solutions to this? Can I change to one screen without booting etc...? |
| 03:39.39 | kspath | sort -nr > abrotman |
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| 03:40.20 | abrotman | beardy: yes .. i know . but why would you sort them ? |
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| 03:40.36 | kspath | unsightly? |
| 03:40.37 | lolo1345 | you're much friendly =D |
| 03:40.44 | beardy | abrotman: I wouldn't, if I would, they would have been sorted, no they're not, so they are unsorted. |
| 03:40.46 | lolo1345 | i will tray again there... |
| 03:40.54 | beardy | now |
| 03:41.01 | abrotman | beardy: i realize you gave me unsorted ones .. but why would anyone sort them? |
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| 03:41.28 | beardy | abrotman: Why do people want "bootsplash"? |
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| 03:41.48 | ke6isf | lolo1345: If you don't get an answer there, come back and we'll try and work thorough the language barrier. |
| 03:41.51 | abrotman | beardy: because noone wants a rusted car body with a nice engine ? |
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| 03:41.59 | ke6isf | lolo1345: oops... s/thorough/through |
| 03:42.11 | lolo1345 | thanks ;) |
| 03:42.18 | mhall | Hello. The (x.org) 'X' server process is eating 100% of my CPU and strace shows it's in some kind of infinite gettimeofday() loop. I'm using unstable + experimental. Is anybody else experiencing this problem? |
| 03:42.37 | abrotman | !btssmite mhall |
| 03:42.43 | mhall | I did search BTS but the only 100% CPU bugs listed caused X to lock up. |
| 03:42.48 | astronut | mhall: it's happened to me before |
| 03:42.53 | mhall | astronut: recently? |
| 03:42.53 | astronut | with the nvidia driver |
| 03:43.00 | astronut | not for a while |
| 03:43.03 | astronut | i stopped using that driver |
| 03:43.04 | mhall | Yeah that was one of the bugs. |
| 03:43.04 | astronut | and used nv |
| 03:43.08 | astronut | though i just started using nvidia again |
| 03:43.10 | astronut | seems ok so far |
| 03:43.13 | mhall | But I'm using SiS. |
| 03:43.18 | mhall | With open source driver. |
| 03:43.20 | gravity | mhall: I've gotten a few reports of it from various drivers |
| 03:43.22 | gravity | No idea why |
| 03:43.34 | mhall | gravity: are you part of the strike force? |
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| 03:44.05 | beardy | abrotman: Heh, yeah. In great numbers they are, increasing of numbers it is. |
| 03:44.10 | astronut | mhall: he's the head of it |
| 03:44.16 | astronut | mhall: he's the xorg maintainer and god now |
| 03:44.18 | mhall | gravity: it's making my laptop redhot and eating much power |
| 03:44.21 | abrotman | beardy: i don't understand it either .. |
| 03:44.28 | mhall | gravity: so i'd appreciate your debugging tips |
| 03:44.29 | octoberdan | bash: man: command not found |
| 03:44.31 | octoberdan | AHH!!! |
| 03:44.42 | mhall | octoberdan: what did you delete? |
| 03:44.44 | gravity | mhall: Did you try the vesa driver? That'll at least tell us something... |
| 03:44.54 | mhall | gravity: good idea, i'll try that |
| 03:44.58 | ke6isf | octoberdan: Eh?! |
| 03:45.00 | octoberdan | mhall: As far as I know, nothing |
| 03:45.13 | gravity | mhall: It's a real problem and I'm not sure where it's coming from. My guess is the XAA layer, but I really don't know |
| 03:45.13 | ke6isf | octoberdan: 'locate man | grep bin'? |
| 03:45.27 | ke6isf | octoberdan: 'echo $PATH'? |
| 03:45.29 | mhall | gravity: so i'm not totally crazy |
| 03:45.32 | ke6isf | octoberdan: Are those in order? |
| 03:45.33 | mhall | gravity: *whew* |
| 03:45.34 | gravity | mhall: No way |
| 03:45.48 | octoberdan | man is gone |
| 03:45.50 | gravity | mhall: I know about the problem I just haven't gotten to it seriously yet. I'm still tackling more persistent issues |
| 03:45.55 | gravity | And smaller ones |
| 03:46.04 | ke6isf | octoberdan: How in fucking hell do you lose man? |
| 03:46.09 | octoberdan | No clue! |
| 03:46.16 | mhall | gravity: fair enough, i'm happy just to know i'm not alone |
| 03:46.18 | abrotman | ke6isf: you uninstall it |
| 03:46.23 | kspath | use woman instead |
| 03:46.23 | ke6isf | octoberdan: Time to apt-get --reinstall' it? |
| 03:46.28 | abrotman | mhall: there are roughly 725 others here |
| 03:46.32 | ke6isf | abrotman: There aren't dependency issues with that? |
| 03:46.34 | mhall | gravity: since i mostly run on AC power until school starts next week it's not an esp. big deal yet |
| 03:46.41 | abrotman | ke6isf: rm is a good way too :) |
| 03:46.45 | mhall | abrotman: yeah and when i'm not here there's always your mom |
| 03:46.53 | octoberdan | man-db? |
| 03:46.53 | abrotman | mhall: you want her .. you can have her |
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| 03:47.10 | mhall | abrotman: wasn't aware i needed your permission |
| 03:47.23 | abrotman | mhall: no .. i mean .. you can have her .. keep her away from me :) |
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| 03:47.35 | astronut | oh, random question.. is there anyway to keep this line from mailing me when it fails? 0 5 * * * cd /home/ftpusers/mailbackup/mailbackup && ls /home/ftpusers/mailbackup/mailbackup/ | head -n-7 | xargs rm |
| 03:47.39 | mhall | abrotman: haha yeah perhaps you should do the same for mine |
| 03:47.39 | astronut | (oh, it's in a cron) |
| 03:47.41 | astronut | just || true? |
| 03:47.51 | mhall | astronut: yeah force success ;-) |
| 03:47.58 | abrotman | mhall: let's take yours and mine .. and send them to alaska! |
| 03:48.01 | astronut | mhall: how so? -f? |
| 03:48.06 | mhall | abrotman: or abu dhabi |
| 03:48.12 | abrotman | too hot for my mom |
| 03:48.17 | mhall | astronut: || true should do it |
| 03:48.19 | astronut | or just append || true? |
| 03:48.23 | mhall | abrotman: we don't want it to be fun |
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| 03:48.40 | mhall | in any case time to restart x as per gravity |
| 03:48.48 | astronut | thanks, i wasn't sure |
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| 03:50.24 | kspath | abrotman: woman ls ls command for listing do you like those drapes? |
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| 03:50.42 | ke6isf | Along the lines of astronut's question, how do I tell cron to not mail me if something is successful? |
| 03:50.49 | mhall | grandma: yeah it does seem to be better |
| 03:50.54 | mhall | damnit |
| 03:50.55 | abrotman | ke6isf: pipe the output |
| 03:50.55 | CraZy675 | I'm new to debian, I used fedora before. I used to just plug in my usb hdd and connect to it /dev/sda1 but i can't seem to do that with debian. where do I go from here? |
| 03:51.02 | mhall | gravity: yeah it does seem to be better |
| 03:51.15 | mhall | gravity: cpufreq *finally* cranked me down to 800 instead of 1600 |
| 03:51.18 | astronut | ke6isf: ham? |
| 03:51.22 | ke6isf | astronut: Yep. |
| 03:51.26 | gravity | mhall: Ok... file a bug agains the xserver and note that please |
| 03:51.27 | mhall | gravity: i was wondering why it'd been stuck on high |
| 03:51.34 | astronut | ke6isf: i'm ki4cxn |
| 03:51.39 | mhall | gravity: until today i thought i misconfigured my kernel |
| 03:51.41 | ke6isf | astronut: Heh, 73. =^^= |
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| 03:51.54 | mhall | gravity: no problem, what files do i include |
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| 03:52.00 | LinuxNIT-laptop | how doi set apt to look at cds? |
| 03:52.04 | astronut | ke6isf: 73, but i'm just about "qrt"..exam tommorow |
| 03:52.05 | ke6isf | abrotman: so something like 'somethingtodo > /dev/null 2| mail ke6isf'? |
| 03:52.07 | gravity | mhall: Just use reportbug. It'll include everything. |
| 03:52.07 | abrotman | apt-cdrom |
| 03:52.12 | mhall | gravity: alright |
| 03:52.14 | ke6isf | astronut: Good luck. |
| 03:52.18 | LinuxNIT-laptop | oh cool thanks |
| 03:52.23 | abrotman | ke6isf: i have no idea what that would do .. but it's way wrong :) |
| 03:52.29 | gravity | mhall: "important" severity |
| 03:52.36 | ke6isf | abrotman: What would be correct syntax be then? |
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| 03:53.16 | abrotman | 2>&1 > /dev/null ... or something like that |
| 03:53.31 | astronut | ke6isf: it shouldnt mail you if successful? |
| 03:53.35 | astronut | i thought |
| 03:53.43 | abrotman | astronut: if there's output .. it will |
| 03:53.52 | ke6isf | astronut: Normal... what abrotman said. |
| 03:53.53 | astronut | oh...d'uh |
| 03:53.57 | astronut | ya |
| 03:53.57 | astronut | sorry |
| 03:53.58 | astronut | it's late |
| 03:53.59 | astronut | lol |
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| 03:54.02 | abrotman | heheh |
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| 03:54.09 | astronut | grrr |
| 03:54.12 | astronut | dork bot |
| 03:54.13 | ke6isf | astronut: Probably should go to bed. =^^= |
| 03:54.13 | abrotman | !tell astronut about enter |
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| 03:54.20 | beardy | grrr |
| 03:54.22 | beardy | dork astronut |
| 03:54.40 | ke6isf | abrotman: Noted on syntax. I'll check bash docs later. |
| 03:54.46 | astronut | abrotman: ya, thanks...seen that one a few times too often..bad habbit, i know |
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| 03:56.01 | xoz | set term_force_colors |
| 03:56.05 | xoz | set term_force_colors ON |
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| 03:58.43 | xoz | heh |
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| 04:02.32 | ortner | hmm, how do i check whats my account and such if i forgot that information on my mysql server? :/ |
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| 04:03.38 | abrotman | #mysql ? |
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| 04:04.59 | cajunman4life | Hey room having a small problem... attempting to fix the public key not available issue on my machine and am getting a "gpg: waiting for lock (hold by xxxxx ... probably dead)" message but I can't find a lock file anywhere. Any ideas? |
| 04:05.09 | abrotman | !room |
| 04:05.09 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 04:05.31 | mhall | gravity: OK I filed. Thanks for your help. |
| 04:05.39 | gravity | mhall: My pleasure. Thanks for the report |
| 04:05.49 | mhall | gravity: I owe you your beverage of choice the next time you're in ca.us |
| 04:06.10 | gravity | mhall: California? You just missed me :-) |
| 04:06.13 | mhall | gravity: damn |
| 04:06.15 | abrotman | america jr.! |
| 04:06.22 | gravity | I was in both NoCal and SoCal |
| 04:06.30 | mhall | gravity: lol i have shitty timing |
| 04:06.32 | gravity | hehe |
| 04:06.41 | abrotman | gravity: and now you're back to the frozen NE :) |
| 04:06.42 | gravity | I was busy getting 6.9 uploaded anyway |
| 04:06.50 | gravity | abrotman: Damn straight :-) |
| 04:06.53 | ootput | cajunman4life: perhaps try to kill all gpg processes |
| 04:06.54 | cajunman4life | gravity: You're from NE? |
| 04:07.07 | ootput | North East? |
| 04:07.08 | gravity | cajunman4life: I live in New England now, yeah |
| 04:07.13 | abrotman | new england |
| 04:07.15 | mhall | gravity: wrt the bug, is it 6.9 specific |
| 04:07.20 | gravity | mhall: Yeah, it seems so |
| 04:07.30 | cajunman4life | Ahh... sorry mis-construed that as Nebraska (where I lived up until 3 months ago) |
| 04:07.30 | mhall | gravity: so you're a down east type |
| 04:07.33 | gravity | There've been a lot of reports, and they're all from people who say "I downgraded to 6.8 and it worked again" |
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| 04:07.54 | abrotman | mhall: down east is a bit farther north |
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| 04:07.56 | gravity | mhall: These days, I am. I lived in LA for five years prior to moving here. That was enough. |
| 04:07.59 | mhall | gravity: how come they don't seem to be filed against xserver-xorg |
| 04:08.06 | netcatc | hi all, |
| 04:08.07 | gravity | mhall: They're in there. I haven't re-titled them |
| 04:08.18 | ootput | gravity: couldn't stomach LA? |
| 04:08.23 | gravity | There's a lot to wade through though, so I'm not sure where they are :-) |
| 04:08.27 | gravity | ootput: It was time to leave |
| 04:08.34 | mhall | gravity: so they do not appear in xserver-xorg until colonized with it on front? |
| 04:08.41 | gravity | Huh? |
| 04:08.42 | cajunman4life | ootput: There doesn't appear to be any gpg process running on my system |
| 04:08.42 | abrotman | mhall: down east is actually meant to mean the people that live in the coastal eastern section of ME .. if you look at a map .. it's fairly .. straight east .. but they would say "We're heading down east" etc .. |
| 04:09.00 | mhall | abrotman: right, was trying to be funny |
| 04:09.08 | ootput | *zoom* |
| 04:09.10 | abrotman | mhall: failure! |
| 04:09.18 | mhall | abrotman: unfortunately my humor is not pedant-proof |
| 04:09.27 | ootput | :) |
| 04:09.29 | mhall | abrotman: because then only pedants would find it amusing |
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| 04:09.44 | abrotman | go ahead .. laugh at me! |
| 04:10.03 | mhall | abrotman: your mom does; why shouldn't i |
| 04:10.18 | abrotman | yeah .. but my mom is crazy .. what's your excuse ? |
| 04:10.41 | ootput | craziness is genetically transmitted |
| 04:10.49 | abrotman | ootput: i never said i wasn't crazy |
| 04:11.00 | mhall | ootput: hard to insult an agreer |
| 04:11.02 | ootput | abrotman: never doubted you :) |
| 04:13.57 | ootput | i need a project :( |
| 04:14.12 | cajunman4life | ootput: you can help me with my project :) |
| 04:14.23 | mhall | ootput: what kind |
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| 04:14.55 | ortner | how do i make a file by command? |
| 04:15.04 | ootput | anything from wd to code |
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| 04:15.11 | mhall | ootput: wd? |
| 04:15.12 | deadcat | ortner: touch |
| 04:15.17 | ootput | web design |
| 04:15.19 | ootput | ortner: touch? |
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| 04:15.48 | CraZy675 | I have a vfat usb device, when I plug it in nothing happens. SUSE and fedora recongize it automatically. what do I have to do in debian? |
| 04:15.51 | ootput | although i guess my wd work has been basically code |
| 04:16.12 | mhall | ootput: for $? |
| 04:16.15 | ootput | ah, you know what, i think ncmpc could do with a makeover |
| 04:16.19 | ootput | mhall: spare time stuff |
| 04:16.31 | mhall | hmm |
| 04:16.32 | deadcat | ootput: keep your thoughts to yourself please. |
| 04:16.35 | ootput | and an implementation of whatah's queue patch |
| 04:16.45 | deadcat | your idea is shit |
| 04:17.16 | ortner | how do i rename a file? |
| 04:17.24 | ootput | ortner: mv |
| 04:17.28 | recall | CraZy675, first check dmesg to see if it's recognized. If it is, you might want to set up something like hotplug or automount...or maybe just a fstab entry. |
| 04:17.29 | mhall | deadcat: harsh |
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| 04:17.42 | deadcat | ortner: do an online search "basic unix commands" |
| 04:17.56 | recall | As #nvidia appears dead, has anyone had success compiling the kernel interface (v6629) with GCC4? |
| 04:18.08 | deadcat | mhall: sometimes people dont like to hear the truth. |
| 04:18.34 | mhall | recall: 6629 is old |
| 04:18.48 | mhall | recall: not esp. suprising it Doesn't Work (TM) |
| 04:18.52 | mhall | anyhow must go |
| 04:18.52 | recall | mhall, it's the last "legacy" driver to support my GeForce2. |
| 04:18.54 | mhall | by all |
| 04:18.57 | mhall | recall: shitstick |
| 04:18.58 | ootput | cya |
| 04:19.12 | CraZy675 | recall: how do I set up hotplug the device seems to be in dmesg |
| 04:19.25 | Guerin | recall: sucks to be reliant on nvidia |
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| 04:19.42 | recall | CraZy675, I have never set up hotplug, sorry I can't help you. |
| 04:19.43 | ke6isf | !always sunday |
| 04:19.43 | dpkg | Just as it's always September, somewhere, out on the internet, it's always Sunday here in #debian. |
| 04:19.50 | ke6isf | !tell CraZy675 -about ask |
| 04:19.56 | themusicgod1 | my aumix-gtk is giving me only volume for Vol and Pcm... it was giving me both that and bass/trebble not too long ago. any idea how to get that back? |
| 04:20.05 | recall | Guerin, well, X works with nv, so i'm not totally reliant. Some acceleration would be nice, though... |
| 04:20.23 | recall | Guerin, also, which video card would you recommend - i'll wait. |
| 04:20.24 | Guerin | recall: if you want to play games, buy a console. |
| 04:20.29 | CraZy675 | I have a problem with my vfat usb drive. I don't know how to add it to fstab |
| 04:21.08 | recall | Guerin, and if I want to listen to music, should I buy a stereo system? |
| 04:21.12 | ootput | CraZy675: http://metawire.org/~ootput/confs/etc/fstab |
| 04:21.22 | Guerin | recall: no, because a computer does that just fine. |
| 04:21.33 | xoz | CraZy675: /msg dpkg usb_storage |
| 04:21.38 | recall | Yeah, and it can play games and make pretty animations just fine too. |
| 04:21.45 | Guerin | recall: and will interface perfectly with any decent stereo system you buy. |
| 04:22.04 | ootput | it's a fine emulator for vintage games |
| 04:22.08 | jair_11 | guys if I have a lap top with a AC'97 modem internal, I want to check if is configure or have a ttyS0, 1, 2, 3, ... |
| 04:22.08 | CraZy675 | xoz: thanks |
| 04:22.12 | ootput | but hardware acceleration isn't fantastic |
| 04:22.14 | CraZy675 | ootput: thanks |
| 04:22.22 | jair_11 | I am lookign for it IRQ and the ttys? |
| 04:22.52 | ootput | CraZy675: are you using udev? |
| 04:22.59 | CraZy675 | how do I load usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules |
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| 04:23.06 | CraZy675 | ootput: I don't know |
| 04:23.07 | jair_11 | I have this line when I type "lspci" 0000:00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 01) |
| 04:23.11 | ootput | CraZy675: those maxtor-* devices are symlinks to the /dev/sd* devices |
| 04:23.24 | CraZy675 | ootput I have an archos pma430 |
| 04:23.36 | CraZy675 | in fedora it was /dev/sda1 |
| 04:23.38 | ootput | no clue what that is. |
| 04:23.41 | blockd | jair_11: you probably have at most two serial ports... I'm guessing. |
| 04:23.45 | jair_11 | but I need to know what ttys? is the modem? i/o ? |
| 04:23.50 | CraZy675 | a 30gig usb hdd |
| 04:23.57 | ootput | CraZy675: it'd depend on other scsi devices that you may have |
| 04:24.01 | blockd | so maybe just try ttyS0 and if that fails ttyS1 |
| 04:24.03 | jair_11 | serial ports in a laptop? R51? |
| 04:24.05 | Guerin | recall: apparently it can't. |
| 04:24.11 | jair_11 | blockd, hmm |
| 04:24.17 | Guerin | recall: if it could, you'd not be whining about it not working. |
| 04:24.34 | recall | Guerin, oh, I can whine about plenty. |
| 04:24.44 | ootput | CraZy675: my udev rules check the various info filters (manufacturer/product) and allocate them a device symlink appropriately |
| 04:24.47 | Guerin | recall: unsurprising. |
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| 04:24.48 | jair_11 | blockd, I have a port for the printer and another for the monitor vga |
| 04:24.57 | ootput | CraZy675: if you're not using udev, i'm afraid i can't provide any tips |
| 04:25.02 | blockd | jair_11: those aren't serial ports... very unlikely anyway |
| 04:25.05 | ootput | CraZy675: i'm sure there are ways to create rules |
| 04:25.07 | CraZy675 | ootput: ok thanks |
| 04:25.20 | recall | Guerin, and I don't consider asking the question to be whining, though you may... |
| 04:25.35 | CraZy675 | yea I've had it working before so I don't think it will be all that difficult to get it going again |
| 04:25.38 | stew | CraZy675: modprobe usb-storage ; modprobe sd_mod |
| 04:25.41 | ootput | CraZy675: udev is much simpler to manage. If you can, i'd recommend you switch over to it |
| 04:25.53 | stew | CraZy675: you might want to add those to /etc/modules |
| 04:25.57 | ke6isf | !info udev sarge |
| 04:26.03 | ke6isf | CraZy675: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 04:26.06 | blockd | jair_11: if you're famaliar with DOS terminology, think COM1 and COM2 |
| 04:26.19 | CraZy675 | k36if: the newest one |
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| 04:26.29 | ke6isf | CraZy675: The newest one what? |
| 04:26.31 | ootput | newest stable? |
| 04:26.35 | CraZy675 | stable |
| 04:26.41 | ke6isf | CraZy675: Sarge? |
| 04:26.41 | Guerin | recall: #debian is not, as you correctly noted, a support channel for nvidia. |
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| 04:26.49 | Guerin | !newest |
| 04:26.49 | dpkg | well, newest is *not* a useful answer. Newest 5 minutes ago? Newest 3 days ago? Newest in stable? testing? unstable? Is your mirror in sync? If someone asks what version of foo you have installed, paste the last line of "dpkg -l foo". For your kernel, use "uname -r". |
| 04:26.54 | jair_11 | blockd, I think I got it I shoud check the dmesg or the proc something |
| 04:26.56 | ke6isf | !beer Guerin |
| 04:27.13 | kspath | !ewe |
| 04:27.13 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 04:27.33 | yeiuo | Hi, I use apache chrooted, but when I try to use php + mysql, it cannot find mysqld.sokc, any idea how to fix the problem? |
| 04:27.42 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.056-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 684 kB |
| 04:27.47 | CraZy675 | sorry i have to run i'll be back later |
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| 04:28.00 | yeiuo | mysqld.soc is not in chroot area, and symlinks does not work |
| 04:28.07 | yeiuo | mysqld.sock |
| 04:28.14 | yeiuo | any idea? |
| 04:28.25 | blockd | copy it into the chroot environment maybe |
| 04:28.36 | jair_11 | blockd, http://pastebin.com/497371 |
| 04:29.11 | jair_11 | blockd, why the ttys# did not apear? |
| 04:29.11 | yeiuo | blockd: how ? |
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| 04:29.16 | Guerin | yeiuo: configure your mysqld to listen in the chroot |
| 04:29.34 | Guerin | yeiuo: or configure your daemon to connect to the mysqld on a tcp port |
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| 04:29.46 | Guerin | yeiuo: in any case, this is not a debian problem; #mysql. |
| 04:29.54 | yeiuo | ok thanks |
| 04:30.20 | blockd | jair_11: sorry, I'm not sure if that can even tell me which device it's on. It's been ages since I set up a modem under Linux and then I just had either ttyS0 aor ttyS1 to try. |
| 04:30.30 | tsts | Is there a curses-based (GUI) partitioning program? I'd like the same functionality as during installation of Sarge, at least. parted is too command-line - I'm afraid to do something wrong without visual clues about the layout |
| 04:30.38 | Guerin | tsts: cfdisk |
| 04:30.47 | blockd | jair_11: you might wonder if it's a winmodem... which is supposed to be a pain, but there's a web site for that. Probably winmodems.<something> |
| 04:31.23 | tsts | Hmm... I get an error with cfdisk: "FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 7: enlarged logical partitions overlap" |
| 04:31.28 | jair_11 | blockd, I think it is I will check though |
| 04:31.28 | stew | linmodems.org |
| 04:31.34 | blockd | ah, thanks |
| 04:31.36 | jair_11 | stew, thanks |
| 04:31.41 | jair_11 | :) |
| 04:32.00 | kspath | I do not like having to point focus or click focus when will debian support think focus or that is what I wanted focus? |
| 04:32.05 | yeiuo | Guerin: socket = 127.0.0.1 in my.cf ? |
| 04:32.32 | Guerin | yeiuo: no. |
| 04:32.33 | ke6isf | !dwim |
| 04:32.33 | dpkg | i guess dwim is Do What I Mean, programming mantra |
| 04:32.39 | Guerin | yeiuo: you need to read the documentation. |
| 04:32.43 | ootput | kspath: keyboard-shortcuts! |
| 04:32.43 | kapil | kspath: tried "sloppy focus"? |
| 04:32.57 | ootput | get rid of that rodent |
| 04:33.12 | kspath | xoz: there you go that is what I wanted |
| 04:33.13 | ke6isf | ootput: rodent? |
| 04:33.32 | kspath | ratpoison is not just for rats it works for wm |
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| 04:34.08 | tsts | Why does `fdisk -l` list partition in "blocks" - blocks can vary, and are a function of the file system, not hard drive. This doesn't make any sense |
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| 04:34.30 | ootput | missed a spot |
| 04:34.36 | ootput | ke6isf: mouse |
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| 04:35.02 | yeiuo | I use socket = /chroot/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock on /etc/mysql/debian.cf and it does not works :( |
| 04:35.05 | yeiuo | Guerin: |
| 04:35.27 | kapil | tsts: use fdisk -u -l |
| 04:35.47 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 04:35.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 04:37.42 | kapil | tsts: there used to be "nparted" but i think no one wanted to support/develop it. want to volunteer? |
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| 04:38.29 | kspath | kapil: I might in a few months |
| 04:38.41 | kspath | kapil: I heart TTY and ncurses |
| 04:38.45 | tsts | kapil: how do you know I know anything about programming? (I do actually, but I'm totally clueless about partions, even my own) |
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| 04:41.48 | blockd | yeiuo: nm from before, I somehow read that as *.so instead of *.sock |
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| 04:43.18 | kspath | writing an curses based interface to parted would help my resume a little |
| 04:44.43 | kapil | kspath: you may not have to write it from scratch. (a) nparted exists in oldstable (b) there is already a python interface to parted. |
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| 04:45.37 | kapil | kspath: i forgot (c) some form of ncurses/slang/dialog front end to parted exists in the debian-installer. |
| 04:46.57 | kspath | abrotman: got it up to 15.3K USD 428 tech books |
| 04:47.03 | kspath | lol |
| 04:48.53 | yeiuo | Guerin: how? |
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| 04:51.05 | troxy | what's the trick to getting rid of those other searches except google in ffox? |
| 04:51.48 | SimonRaven | make: *** no rule to make target 'clean'. Stop. |
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| 04:52.09 | Guerin | how what? |
| 04:52.09 | kspath | lol |
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| 04:52.36 | EleckttrusS | hi! |
| 04:52.56 | SimonRaven | no i'm not, except on life |
| 04:53.31 | Newck | when can we expect kde 3.5 to hit unstable? |
| 04:54.04 | kspath | Dec 07 ? |
| 04:54.12 | Newck | ...2010? |
| 04:54.14 | Newck | :) |
| 04:54.26 | SimonRaven | um, since ~2 days now? |
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| 04:54.38 | Newck | seriously? /me checks... |
| 04:54.43 | SimonRaven | ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main kdeartwork-emoticons 4:3.5.0.dfsg.1-2 [Downloaded] |
| 04:55.49 | SimonRaven | don't you people at least run updates? |
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| 04:56.23 | SimonRaven | my first cronjob was one that run apt-get update && dselect -duy upgrade |
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| 04:57.01 | SimonRaven | and it's still running ;) |
| 04:57.48 | Tchiak | i'm having a problem |
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| 04:58.01 | Tchiak | I have a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 sounds card |
| 04:58.04 | Tchiak | i have alsa installed |
| 04:58.08 | Tchiak | checked the PCM and master levels |
| 04:58.22 | Tchiak | ran alsaconf.. and I still don't get sound from xmms or anything else |
| 04:58.38 | Tchiak | last time i ran xmms and tried to play sounds it said "alsa-mixer timed out" |
| 04:58.41 | Gnea | did you unmute it? |
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| 04:59.25 | Tchiak | yes |
| 04:59.33 | Gnea | so the mixer works |
| 04:59.55 | Gnea | did you set the output plugin to alsa in xmms? |
| 05:00.46 | Tchiak | yes |
| 05:00.56 | grandma | how do i resolve this? "GPG error: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures coln't be verified because the public key is not available:..." |
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| 05:01.13 | Gnea | grandma: /topic |
| 05:01.15 | Guerin | grandma: you read the /topic |
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| 05:01.28 | grandma | whoops, heh |
| 05:01.31 | grandma | have been idling |
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| 05:02.08 | darth | hello |
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| 05:02.33 | Gnea | Guerin: khao san road? did you take some road gravel and throw it in a pan? |
| 05:02.44 | darth | can someone please tell me what directory the kernel source is in under debian 3.1 sarge |
| 05:02.52 | darth | im trying to install nvidia drivers |
| 05:02.52 | caphuso | darth: wherever you extracted it |
| 05:02.52 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.54 | sonyman | What does "Theme not usable with authentication method 'Username + Password (classic)'" mean? I just installed a new kdm theme and that message popped up at the login screen. Etch, KDE 3.4.3 |
| 05:03.00 | darth | i used apt-get tho |
| 05:03.07 | Guerin | Gnea: khao san road is tarmac, you fool! |
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| 05:04.03 | darth | how do i extract a tar.gz.bz2?? |
| 05:04.14 | darth | i mean tar.bz2 |
| 05:04.18 | caphuso | darth: /msg dpkg tar |
| 05:04.21 | dondelelcaro | darth: man tar; read about the j flag. |
| 05:04.24 | Gnea | tar --help |
| 05:04.28 | caphuso | not that the kernel source will be of mich use to you |
| 05:04.47 | Tchiak | so anymore ideas on where to go from here with the sound issue? |
| 05:04.57 | darth | i need it for the nvidia drivers |
| 05:05.06 | caphuso | darth: no, you need the kernel headers |
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| 05:05.51 | darth | kernel headers? |
| 05:05.54 | darth | :S |
| 05:05.59 | darth | how can i get them? |
| 05:05.59 | caphuso | that's what i said |
| 05:06.04 | caphuso | same way you got the source |
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| 05:06.50 | darth | ok so.. apt-get install ??? |
| 05:07.00 | caphuso | darth: kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 05:07.46 | darth | ok thankyou |
| 05:08.08 | darth | can i just use apt-get to install the nvidia driver? |
| 05:08.33 | caphuso | darth: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 05:08.34 | Tchiak | gnea is there anything else you can think of that i can try? |
| 05:08.58 | Daveman | hi dondelelcaro |
| 05:08.59 | Gnea | Tchiak: what else have you tried? |
| 05:10.35 | darth | one-liner??? |
| 05:10.50 | SimonRaven | just do it in your irc client... |
| 05:10.52 | Tchiak | well gnea i'm about at the end of my bag of tricks |
| 05:11.01 | SimonRaven | /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 05:12.02 | darth | so pretty much i just put in: apt-get install nvidia |
| 05:12.03 | darth | ?? |
| 05:12.12 | darth | or nvidia one-liner |
| 05:12.13 | darth | ?? |
| 05:12.47 | SimonRaven | ... |
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| 05:13.02 | darth | sorry but im new to debian |
| 05:13.05 | ambroseL | darth, dpkg is an automated bot. it is pre-loaded with answers to frequently asked questions. /msg it "nvidia one-liner" and see what it tells you |
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| 05:13.34 | caphuso | there should be fustigation on using irc without knowing the basic things |
| 05:13.36 | darth | yeh i did |
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| 05:13.53 | Fluten | why doesnt linux empty my swap partition when i have free memory instead of waiting until the data in swap is needed? |
| 05:14.14 | SimonRaven | what? |
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| 05:14.21 | darth | :'( |
| 05:14.29 | Fluten | i have 300MB memory not used for anything at all, and 20MB of swap used |
| 05:14.39 | darth | so there no way to use apt-get to install the nvidia driver?? |
| 05:14.40 | caphuso | Fluten: and? |
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| 05:14.58 | SimonRaven | the kernel knows better than you on how to do memory management |
| 05:15.18 | SimonRaven | darth: read. what. the. bot. told. you. |
| 05:15.24 | caphuso | Fluten: what makes you think that those 20MiB in swap are more important than 20MiB of disk cache? |
| 05:15.33 | sonyman | darth, obviously you didn't read...there is a way and its incredibly easy |
| 05:15.49 | caphuso | chances are your swap content would simply waste 20MiB of precious RAM |
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| 05:16.27 | Fluten | hmm, so the stuff its swapping must just be stuff that it thinks it wont need for a long time |
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| 05:16.38 | caphuso | Fluten: stuff that hasn't been used for a long time |
| 05:16.41 | SimonRaven | the kernel knows better than you on how to do memory management |
| 05:16.49 | Azar | yeah, on mswindows people use to reformat to clean the trash, how do you clean Debian? |
| 05:16.56 | fooz | SimonRaven, that's a damn lie! |
| 05:16.58 | ke6isf | Fluten: What SimonRaven said. |
| 05:16.59 | fooz | SimonRaven, who are you anyway?!?1 |
| 05:17.04 | darth | i did read |
| 05:17.15 | Azar | SimonRaven is GOD you better bow, fooz |
| 05:17.15 | darth | if its easy can you please tell me what to put? |
| 05:17.21 | SimonRaven | oh shush you zoof |
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| 05:17.25 | ke6isf | darth: dpkg already did. |
| 05:17.25 | Fluten | !botsnack |
| 05:17.25 | dpkg | thanks, Fluten |
| 05:17.30 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 05:17.33 | ke6isf | !botsmite darth |
| 05:17.33 | fooz | i don't know any of you! and where's my pants?! |
| 05:17.39 | SimonRaven | don't make me /ignore you Azar |
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| 05:17.54 | darth | hmmm |
| 05:17.56 | Azar | SimonRaven: sorry it was not maliciously intended |
| 05:18.01 | SimonRaven | fooz: in the laundry |
| 05:18.01 | darth | so do i just copypaste? |
| 05:18.12 | fooz | damn, you're right. i guess i'm not so good at memory management after all |
| 05:18.24 | ke6isf | darth: If you can, then yes, you just copy and paste. |
| 05:18.27 | sonyman | darth, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 05:18.38 | ke6isf | !lart darth |
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| 05:19.14 | Azar | sonyman, is there something wrong with nvidia one liner? or is andrex a newer way to install it? |
| 05:20.11 | sonyman | Azar, that link is more in-depth. It will tell him a bit about the process instead of just instructions. dpkg mentions it if you say "nvidia-howto" |
| 05:20.28 | ke6isf | !nvidia-howto |
| 05:20.28 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Etch. Warning : follow the instructions with some care. in particular, if you don't know better, set NVDIST=stable instead of testing or unstable |
| 05:20.42 | Azar | sonyman, interesting, I will check that link out |
| 05:20.45 | ke6isf | Verrrrry interesting. |
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| 05:21.08 | sonyman | Azar, that is the link I used to originally figure out how to install the nvidia drivers. good site |
| 05:21.29 | darth | thankyou all |
| 05:21.35 | sonyman | yw |
| 05:21.48 | ke6isf | darth: I take it it worked? |
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| 05:22.08 | sonyman | ke6isf, I doubt he did it that quickly ;-) |
| 05:22.33 | ke6isf | sonyman: Indeed, but hopefully he followed the instructions for the oneliner. |
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| 05:24.33 | Azar | yes indeed good site |
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| 05:25.53 | SimonRaven | 800x600 on console sux. |
| 05:26.11 | Azar | one thing that many new users do, install Debian and do not point their apt srouces to "non-free" then try to install nVidia over a 2.4.x default kernel |
| 05:26.29 | ke6isf | Azar: Sounds suicidal. |
| 05:26.39 | darth | ohhhh |
| 05:26.41 | darth | shit |
| 05:26.42 | Azar | ke6isf: newbies do not know the rules |
| 05:26.45 | darth | i havent done that |
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| 05:26.54 | ke6isf | darth: Good. |
| 05:26.55 | darth | : | |
| 05:26.56 | Azar | darth, its ok you can do it anytime |
| 05:27.01 | darth | ohh ok |
| 05:27.17 | ke6isf | ...I think. What didn't you do? |
| 05:27.34 | Azar | access /etc/apt/sources.list with an editor and "add" at the end of each link the non-free option |
| 05:27.36 | VivekVC | gedit on my system is crashing, i am trying to purge remove gedit and get the following message "http://rafb.net/paste/results/js8MNn14.html" |
| 05:27.42 | darth | ok ive done the one liner thingo |
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| 05:27.47 | darth | now just restart?? |
| 05:27.50 | grahamoz | w00t w00t |
| 05:27.56 | Azar | no need to restart darth |
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| 05:28.04 | grahamoz | does the new debain have kde 3.5 with it ? |
| 05:28.33 | ke6isf | VivekVC: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 05:28.48 | cat | grahamoz: new debian??? |
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| 05:28.54 | Azar | darth: 1. Debian installation 2. apt sources configurations 3. kernel upgrade (if running 2.4.x version) 4. x-server install 5. nvidia install |
| 05:28.56 | ke6isf | grahamoz: What is new Debian? |
| 05:28.57 | cat | sarge does have kde 3.5 |
| 05:29.03 | sonyman | grahamoz, latest version in debian testing/unstable is 3.4.3 |
| 05:29.04 | ke6isf | !new |
| 05:29.04 | dpkg | [new] an operator in c++, or the NEW queue for Debian packages, part of the incoming system, at http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 05:29.09 | ke6isf | !newest |
| 05:29.09 | dpkg | it has been said that newest is *not* a useful answer. Newest 5 minutes ago? Newest 3 days ago? Newest in stable? testing? unstable? Is your mirror in sync? If someone asks what version of foo you have installed, paste the last line of "dpkg -l foo". For your kernel, use "uname -r". |
| 05:29.15 | sonyman | grahamoz, I take that back. 3.5 in unstable |
| 05:29.16 | VivekVC | ke6isf: I am running Debian Testing. |
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| 05:29.30 | Azar | !latest |
| 05:29.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 05:29.36 | yos87 | hi |
| 05:29.37 | darth | how can i test to see if opengl is working |
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| 05:30.04 | fly_weight | what tulip do i pick for a Linksys NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 |
| 05:30.04 | ke6isf | Azar: Heh, even better. |
| 05:30.04 | sonyman | darth, glxinfo | grep 'direct rendering' |
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| 05:30.22 | ke6isf | VivekVC: BTS? apt-get --reinstall? |
| 05:30.30 | cat | fly_weight: just tulip it self |
| 05:30.32 | fly_weight | dc2104x or dc2114x |
| 05:30.34 | cat | fly_weight: modprobe tulip |
| 05:30.41 | cat | and you're done |
| 05:31.12 | darth | direct rendering.. command not found |
| 05:31.19 | fly_weight | im doing it froma config file and those are my choices |
| 05:31.21 | sonyman | darth you didn't type what I told you |
| 05:31.35 | cat | fly_weight: huh? |
| 05:31.36 | fly_weight | want it in the kernel |
| 05:31.55 | cat | if you download a kernel from debian a pre compiled kernel the modules should be in there |
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| 05:32.00 | fly_weight | i had it before but lost my notes |
| 05:32.04 | darth | i did |
| 05:32.14 | VivekVC | ke6isf: Just "apt-get reinstall" ? |
| 05:32.16 | fly_weight | im using a 3rd party kernel |
| 05:32.19 | sonyman | darth, type in quotes exactly what you typed |
| 05:32.19 | cat | fly_weight: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 05:32.23 | Azar | darth read carefully what sonyman told you to type |
| 05:32.27 | cat | and pick an image from there and then apt-get install kernel-image.* |
| 05:32.31 | darth | wait |
| 05:32.33 | darth | sorry |
| 05:32.38 | darth | heres the output |
| 05:32.39 | intx | ~vgetty |
| 05:32.51 | bhundven | does anyone know if it is possible to install debian using an atheros wifi card using the businesscard cd? |
| 05:32.58 | ke6isf | VivekVC: No, try 'apt-get --reinstall install gedit'. |
| 05:33.12 | darth | Xlib: extension "Xfree86- DRI" missing on display ":0.0." |
| 05:33.21 | darth | direct rendering: No |
| 05:33.22 | darth | :( |
| 05:33.27 | sonyman | darth, did you run that as root? don't |
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| 05:34.08 | sonyman | darth, you need to restart X after you install the driver. Easiest way is Ctrl Alt Bkspce |
| 05:34.20 | darth | yes |
| 05:34.57 | fly_weight | Early DECchip Tulip (dc2104x) PCI support (EXPERIMENTAL) or DECchip Tulip (dc2114x) PCI support |
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| 05:35.04 | fly_weight | i need to choose one of those |
| 05:35.16 | Flimzy | fly_weight: So which one do you need? |
| 05:35.24 | fly_weight | thats what im asking |
| 05:35.26 | sonyman | I bet darth won't know how to get back into X ;-) |
| 05:35.31 | Flimzy | fly_weight: Well which card do you have? |
| 05:35.33 | fly_weight | i had it in my notes but lost it |
| 05:35.44 | Flimzy | fly_weight: A 2104x or a 2114x? |
| 05:35.47 | ke6isf | sonyman: Or he won't know to install irssi if he can't. |
| 05:35.51 | fly_weight | yep |
| 05:35.58 | Flimzy | fly_weight: Well which is it? |
| 05:36.13 | Tchiak | is there a way to create a bootdisk after installation? |
| 05:36.16 | sonyman | ke6isf, or bitchx ;-) |
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| 05:36.23 | fly_weight | i dont know those are my choices |
| 05:36.29 | ke6isf | Tchiak: Yes. |
| 05:36.35 | Flimzy | fly_weight: Well find out what kind of card you have, and then the choice will be obvious. |
| 05:36.49 | darth | i reset X and it still said the same thing :( |
| 05:36.49 | fly_weight | i know what i have from lspci |
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| 05:37.01 | Flimzy | fly_weight: well then the decisin should be easy, right? |
| 05:37.15 | Padnah | I am REALLY liking this linux OS. I am using Debian/KDE and using the Kpackage am able to install packages and dependent packages to make their functions full. |
| 05:37.17 | sonyman | darth when you typed "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" what driver did you choose? |
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| 05:37.29 | fly_weight | Linksys NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 (rev 11) |
| 05:37.29 | gravity | He's using the proprietary nvidia driver |
| 05:37.38 | gravity | Remind me to despair |
| 05:37.44 | Flimzy | fly_weight: Are you sure that's a tulip card? |
| 05:37.56 | fly_weight | i used one of those before and it worked |
| 05:38.02 | sonyman | gravity, did I miss where he said he chose it? |
| 05:38.04 | fly_weight | i cant remeber which one |
| 05:38.11 | darth | umm i just typed xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:38.11 | beardy | Padnah: It's Debian GNU/Linux. No such thing as Debian/KDE |
| 05:38.13 | Flimzy | fly_weight: Well then I guess you can try them both. |
| 05:38.16 | darth | like it said |
| 05:38.28 | Flimzy | beardy: No need to nitpick. |
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| 05:38.30 | VivekVC | ke6isf: I just did an aptitude reinstall gedit |
| 05:38.32 | sonyman | darth, and what was the output? did it open the program? |
| 05:38.32 | ke6isf | Padnah: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 05:38.36 | ke6isf | VivekVC: Did it work? |
| 05:38.49 | darth | yeh but it said the kernel hadnt been configured properly or soemthing like that |
| 05:38.55 | fly_weight | can i put both of them in the kernel? |
| 05:38.57 | VivekVC | ke6isf: no |
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| 05:39.02 | Flimzy | fly_weight: Of course. |
| 05:39.03 | darth | ive got the kernel headers and source |
| 05:39.07 | Tchiak | how |
| 05:39.08 | darth | but :S |
| 05:39.10 | Padnah | beardy, shall I respond to such a smart-ass reply? |
| 05:39.11 | Flimzy | fly_weight, but I'd recommend doing both as modules. |
| 05:39.20 | fly_weight | im new to linux,lol |
| 05:39.23 | beardy | Padnah: No, just learn. |
| 05:39.31 | ke6isf | VivekVC: Aw, fsck. |
| 05:39.37 | darth | sonyman?? |
| 05:39.39 | Flimzy | fly_weight, How do you think a person with two nics would use them both without two drivers in the kernel? |
| 05:39.48 | sonyman | darth, type "cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | grep Driver" |
| 05:39.57 | fly_weight | k |
| 05:40.03 | Padnah | beardy, thanks for pointing out that I am so ignorant. I guess that that implies that you are smart? |
| 05:40.06 | gravity | sonyman: He was asking about using that driver earlier |
| 05:40.15 | ke6isf | !@tell Tchiak -about bootdisk |
| 05:40.25 | SimonRaven | Azar: i know, it's just that i'm no deity, just a regular dude. t'was embarrassing |
| 05:40.28 | sonyman | gravity, oh. sorry I missed it |
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| 05:40.37 | Padnah | ke6isf, I am using the latest version as of last June, 2005 |
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| 05:40.43 | Azar | SimonRaven: , sorry I did not meant that way |
| 05:40.43 | ke6isf | Padnah: You mean Sarge? |
| 05:40.47 | beardy | Padnah: That's the name. Getting the facts straight has nothing to do with being smart. |
| 05:40.49 | ke6isf | !tell Padnah -about latest |
| 05:40.57 | Flimzy | Padnah, As opposed to the June of 2005 that happened earlier? :P |
| 05:41.01 | Azar | darth when did you installed Debian? |
| 05:41.06 | ke6isf | Padnah: FWIW, beardy is only stating to you a fact. |
| 05:41.08 | darth | yesterday |
| 05:41.13 | Padnah | beardy, then please let me live in my ignorance, thank you |
| 05:41.14 | sonyman | gravity, I'm not seeing where he stated that he configured it to use that driver though. It doesn't hurt to check |
| 05:41.22 | sonyman | darth, what was the output? |
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| 05:41.27 | darth | sonyman it said driver mouse, keyboard, vesa |
| 05:41.30 | Azar | darth, it is ok if you flunk this time you can reinstall later |
| 05:41.31 | Tchiak | that didn't work ke6isf |
| 05:41.39 | beardy | Padnah: Don't impose it on anyone else. |
| 05:41.39 | sonyman | darth, thats the problem |
| 05:41.40 | darth | :) |
| 05:41.45 | ke6isf | Tchiak: Didn't work? What did it do then? |
| 05:41.45 | sonyman | darth, you didn't configure it properly |
| 05:41.48 | darth | ohhh |
| 05:41.53 | darth | how do i configure it properly then |
| 05:41.59 | sonyman | darth, go back and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:42.00 | gravity | sonyman: Sure |
| 05:42.06 | Azar | darth at the next installation you have to be careful and read all prompts carefully, mostly at apt choices |
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| 05:42.10 | gravity | Ah, he's using vesa? Weird |
| 05:42.14 | Padnah | Flimzy, yes the parallel one |
| 05:42.15 | sonyman | darth, when it asks you for the videocard driver, choose "nvidia" |
| 05:42.22 | ke6isf | Tchiak: Perhaps you should just ask how to create a bootdisk. |
| 05:42.34 | Azar | sonyman, it does not offer but only "nv" |
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| 05:42.42 | Tchiak | ke6isf i meant that whatever you told whatever to do didn't work when you typed that command |
| 05:42.56 | Padnah | beardy, sorry that I hog-tied you and poured it down your throat |
| 05:42.58 | ke6isf | !bootdisk |
| 05:42.58 | dpkg | methinks bootdisk is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-<platform>, where platform is i386, powerpc, sparc, m68k, arm, or alpha, or at any mirror site |
| 05:43.00 | sonyman | Azar, on my box, etch, there is nv by default, and nvidia is the accellerated driver |
| 05:43.13 | Azar | sonyman, ah etch.. |
| 05:43.13 | sonyman | Azar, is it different in debian stable? |
| 05:43.22 | darth | dude it doesnt have nvidia |
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| 05:43.25 | Azar | sonyman in stable you only see "nv" |
| 05:43.27 | sonyman | darth, does it have nv? |
| 05:43.34 | Azar | and this if you run a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 05:43.47 | Azar | ask darth what kernel he got |
| 05:43.50 | Tchiak | there is no disks-* in /dists/stable/main |
| 05:44.00 | Padnah | ke6isf, 'sarge' (3.1) |
| 05:44.02 | Tchiak | there is binary-* |
| 05:44.03 | sonyman | darth, also, "When asked to select X server modules, deselect (uncheck) GLCore and dri, and select (check) glx." |
| 05:44.04 | darth | yeh it has nv |
| 05:44.11 | Tchiak | and installer-* |
| 05:44.19 | sonyman | darth, of course, if you followed the guide posted earlier it explained all this |
| 05:44.29 | Azar | darth you run a 2.4.27 or a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 05:44.50 | beardy | Padnah: Listen tard, if you can't take a correction (if I had seen you being so stupid from the start I wouldn't have bothered, but you can't spot all fucktards right away) you shouldn't ask questions. |
| 05:45.12 | grandma | what image viewer would you all recommend? |
| 05:45.14 | dondelelcaro | beardy: calm down; just use /ignore if there's a problem like that. |
| 05:45.17 | dondelelcaro | grandma: feh is good |
| 05:45.21 | darth | 2.4.27 :) |
| 05:45.40 | darth | ok sorry can i have the url of the guide again? |
| 05:45.50 | Azar | sigh |
| 05:45.52 | sonyman | darth, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 05:46.06 | SimonRaven | *still*? |
| 05:46.06 | sonyman | darth, it isn't *entirely* relevant however, since he is using Etch for the guide |
| 05:46.12 | Azar | before you jump on X and nvidia you should have upgraded the kernel first |
| 05:46.24 | jair_11 | blockd, I found out that my modem on the laptop is a winmodem, so I will have to covert it in a linmodem, or just wait until me and developers of debian find a driver for it. |
| 05:46.31 | sonyman | darth, it does provide the basics however (substitute nvidia with nv). At this point you shouldn't need the guide though. |
| 05:46.36 | Padnah | beardy, I did not ask a question. I was stating how happy I am with this OS. I do not need instuctors or mentors, thank you. If you know better, then you will wear yourself educating all of the uneducated masses of the earth. So just give it up and let us go on is our blissful ignorance, thank you |
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| 05:46.58 | Tchiak | is there a command in all of debian that will allow me to create a bootdisk? |
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| 05:47.19 | sonyman | I'm going to bed now since I have to wake up in a little over 5 hours for school. G'nite all |
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| 05:47.31 | Azar | good night sonyman |
| 05:47.31 | darth | thanx sonyman |
| 05:47.31 | sonyman | darth, the resident experts should be able to help you |
| 05:47.32 | jair_11 | blockd, but I have other options like try to install the conexant drivers on it but I need some modules for the kernel I am using 2.6.8-2-686 ;) |
| 05:47.36 | darth | :) |
| 05:47.37 | jair_11 | :( |
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| 05:48.04 | liable | Tchiak: a floppy? you normally dd the image. |
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| 05:48.32 | blockd | jair_11: ok. Never had to mess with a winmodem before. Good luck :-) |
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| 05:48.53 | Azar | darth next time when you reinstall, first thing you do : check your apt sources, next, upgrade the kernel, only then you can jump for nvidia driver |
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| 05:49.53 | darth | ok cool cool |
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| 05:51.11 | darth | which xfree86 server modules do i want loaded by default?? |
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| 05:51.36 | Azar | the default should show you most of them marked but the last one... thats good |
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| 05:53.04 | ke6isf | Oh, joy, netsplit. |
| 05:53.12 | foot | ugh |
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| 05:53.33 | ke6isf | foot: WTF are you pinging the channel?! |
| 05:53.35 | ke6isf | fuck |
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| 05:58.35 | Azar | this article is good, I never managed to understand input/output redirection |
| 05:59.15 | ke6isf | foot: Why did you ping the channel earlier? |
| 05:59.16 | Azar | so wow you could print from the command line to a printer |
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| 06:00.00 | dondelelcaro | Azar: sure; you just lpr <foo; |
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| 06:01.02 | Azar | http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/01/inputoutput-redirection-made-simple-in.html << the first one I could understand easily |
| 06:01.32 | foot | ke6isf, total mistake...was trying to ping the server? or something? serious lag on a private conversation i was having, didnt know what was going on |
| 06:01.50 | grandma | anyone know what package kaffeine is in? if any |
| 06:01.51 | foot | had to disconnect to get the replies to stop...:/ |
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| 06:03.10 | Azar | an apt primer should have been put at the beginning of Sarge installer |
| 06:03.26 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it already exists in the Debian reference |
| 06:03.31 | ke6isf | foot: Ah, OK. Was a netsplit that got the system. |
| 06:03.52 | dondelelcaro | Azar: putting it in the installer would just be bloat and would get in the way of those who already know what they're doing when they're installing. |
| 06:03.58 | foot | i see that now, but it got me too, so i was unawares ke6isf |
| 06:04.00 | Azar | dondelecaro, yes, I know but many new users just install and jump to drivers not knowing about "non-free" |
| 06:04.33 | dondelelcaro | there's not all that much hardware that requires non-free... |
| 06:04.48 | Azar | at least a link to a site that presents apt before they commit with the install |
| 06:05.03 | Azar | ati and nvidia are non-free |
| 06:05.15 | Azar | maybe printers too |
| 06:05.19 | dondelelcaro | Azar: yes, but you don't need either of those drivers. |
| 06:05.28 | ke6isf | foot: No biggie, mistakes happen. |
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| 06:06.37 | foot | ke6isf, yep, wont be intentionally receiving 700 ping replies again any time soon ;) |
| 06:06.55 | ke6isf | foot: Explains why you fell out. =^_^= |
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| 06:07.51 | tung | just upgraded from kernel 2.6.8 to 2.6.15, but cant boot into kernel 2.6.15, here's my boot up errors: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/sAWaOC57.html |
| 06:07.59 | tung | any help is appreciated |
| 06:07.59 | grahamoz | hey anyone around |
| 06:08.11 | grahamoz | want to till me what is new in the new debian release ? |
| 06:08.25 | ke6isf | tung: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 06:08.30 | tung | sid |
| 06:08.32 | beardy | grahamoz: Read the release notes. |
| 06:08.35 | tung | ke6isf: sid |
| 06:08.46 | ke6isf | grahamoz: What new version? |
| 06:08.49 | deadcat | tung: apt-get remove the kernel you installed |
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| 06:09.25 | Azar | tung the newest Debian version was released in July 2005 |
| 06:09.41 | Azar | sorry: grahamoz I ment |
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| 06:10.27 | tung | the reason im trying to upgrade the kernel is because i cant get my mouse to work ever since i did an aptitude dist-upgrade: details are here: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/rgOHhV58.html |
| 06:11.10 | tung | deadcat: im gonna reboot to the old kernel and apt-get remove the messed up one |
| 06:11.39 | SkArFaCe | does anyone know of any GAIM bots? |
| 06:12.22 | deadcat | tung: are you using linux-image-2.6.15-1-X? |
| 06:12.22 | Azar | tung: http://www.maenad.net/geek/ki8k-debian/node20.html |
| 06:13.35 | tung | deadcat: yes, i downloaded 2.6.15 |
| 06:13.35 | SkArFaCe | ? |
| 06:13.53 | cat | SkArFaCe: none really |
| 06:13.58 | tung | deadcat: i guess because i did not do apt-get install kernel in the first place, apt-get remove doesnt understand how to remove it |
| 06:14.28 | tung | Azar: the link is broken |
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| 06:14.54 | Azar | http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/03/nori/maenad/geek/di8k-debian/node20.html < tung a better one |
| 06:15.24 | Azar | tung if you use LILO and you saved the old 2.6.8 you could reuse it like that |
| 06:16.20 | SkArFaCe | F@#$ sum a$$hole keeps kickin me out of some chat room |
| 06:16.30 | john | ... |
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| 06:16.35 | SkArFaCe | and i got a server request error...i guess they baned me |
| 06:16.40 | liable | SkArFaCe: #freenode |
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| 06:18.50 | Guerin | gaim bots |
| 06:18.51 | Guerin | hahah |
| 06:19.09 | Azar | gonna be for a while the 2.0 beta just out |
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| 06:19.22 | tung | Azar: im using grub, and the old kernel boots up okay, but i need to upgrade to the newer kernel because i cant get my mouse to work, and cant upgrade udev without upgrading the kernel |
| 06:19.33 | cat | is there a such thing Guerin ;P |
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| 06:19.51 | Azar | tung if you run sid you should be able to tweak configurations in X |
| 06:19.59 | tung | Azar: details of how i wasted my weekend are here, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/rgOHhV58.html |
| 06:20.12 | Guerin | cat: a bot would be written to use a protocol, not a client |
| 06:20.16 | tung | Azar: yeah, im reading through the link now |
| 06:20.23 | Guerin | it's like asking if there's a firefox bot |
| 06:20.31 | SkArFaCe | liable: whats that channel about |
| 06:20.33 | cat | lol |
| 06:20.45 | cat | i'm pretty sure you can make a bot like that if you want to, |
| 06:20.46 | Guerin | SkArFaCe: it's the network's admin channel |
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| 06:20.53 | Guerin | SkArFaCe: read about it on www.freenode.net |
| 06:21.02 | liable | SkArFaCe: if you have problems, waituntill they give you voice, then ask for help |
| 06:21.08 | sartan | I'm trying to find the kernel source patches and configs used for kernel-image-2.4.27-2-sparc64 -- where can i find these/ |
| 06:21.09 | Guerin | SkArFaCe: what makes you just joihn a random channel and ask stupid questions? |
| 06:21.28 | sartan | debian package search is offline right now, and apt-cache isn't showing me |
| 06:21.35 | Azar | sartan apt-cache search "youritem" |
| 06:21.38 | deadcat | was the simpsons tonight a new ep or re-run? i missed it and aint no torrent for it |
| 06:21.48 | Guerin | !htfswk deadcat |
| 06:21.48 | dpkg | deadcat: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 06:21.58 | tung | deadcat: it was a new episode |
| 06:22.02 | deadcat | tung: thanks |
| 06:22.12 | tung | deadcat: family guy was new too |
| 06:22.15 | Guerin | deadcat: congratulations, you get the Stupidest Fucking Question of The Hour award |
| 06:22.23 | sartan | Azar: I just said that it doesn't show up in apt-cache |
| 06:22.29 | Guerin | and the Guerin Award for being Most Offtopic |
| 06:22.39 | deadcat | Guerin: shhhhhh. |
| 06:22.41 | Azar | sartan what Debian version are you running? |
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| 06:22.55 | deadcat | tung: ya. i am getting family guy and american dad right now |
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| 06:23.07 | sartan | Azar: testing/unstable sarge |
| 06:23.09 | cat | deadcat: from where? |
| 06:23.16 | cat | family guy and american dad are the best |
| 06:23.22 | Azar | sartan , Woody and Sarge are frozen, you might need to move to testing or unstable |
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| 06:23.36 | sartan | Uh, do you read anything I type? |
| 06:23.38 | deadcat | cat: mininova |
| 06:23.38 | Azar | Sarge is "stable" and frozen |
| 06:23.38 | sartan | or do you just type |
| 06:23.50 | cat | deadcat: .com .org? |
| 06:23.55 | deadcat | com |
| 06:23.59 | deadcat | org |
| 06:24.00 | deadcat | oops |
| 06:24.11 | Azar | sartan, sorry sarge is "stable" can't be testing/unstable |
| 06:24.35 | sartan | eh i know i've got both of them in my sources list. That's not the issue right now |
| 06:24.36 | liable | sartan: you have the kernel installed? |
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| 06:24.51 | sartan | The kernel is installed, but I need to find the kernel patches and config that was used |
| 06:24.55 | sartan | Linux mistrust 2.4.27-2-sparc64 #1 Mon Aug 22 21:07:44 UTC 2005 sparc64 GNU/Linux |
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| 06:25.02 | deadcat | cat: actually i use this site. it shows the new tv torrents: http://eztvefnet.org/ |
| 06:25.23 | sartan | Sorry if I'm sounding like an idiot but it almost looks as if this information isn't available. |
| 06:25.35 | liable | sartan: the config is in /boot |
| 06:25.38 | sartan | Basically i'm looking for a source tree containing patches and the .config for my kernel image version |
| 06:25.42 | sobersabre | I have testing/unstable in /etc/debian_version |
| 06:25.57 | sobersabre | and I cannot find synaptic in the repositories.... |
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| 06:26.01 | sartan | liable: yes but I have reason to beelive there are source patches that aren't available |
| 06:26.21 | deadcat | tung: ah. found s17ep10 (= |
| 06:26.39 | liable | sartan: get the debian source and there should be info about the patches in the docs |
| 06:27.25 | liable | !info synaptic |
| 06:27.38 | dpkg | synaptic: (Graphical package manager), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.57.7.1 (sid), Packaged size: 1737 kB, Installed size: 5264 kB |
| 06:28.06 | sartan | gonna rough it I guess. |
| 06:28.23 | sartan | machine is in colo and im not sure anyone wants to run by with a serial cable to screw around with silo to boot the old version. |
| 06:28.28 | deadcat | cat: you watch those comedy roast? haha. hella funny |
| 06:28.33 | cat | yeah |
| 06:28.34 | cat | big time ;P |
| 06:28.55 | sobersabre | liable, does this 'secion admin is optional' mean that I need to add 'admin' to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 06:29.12 | liable | sobersabre: no, you should have it in main |
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| 06:29.25 | tung | how do i neatly remove the kernels i installed? ive tried: apt-get remove and dpkg --purge, details are here: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Q8Ye6C76.html |
| 06:29.36 | deadcat | cat: the pam anderson was hella good, foxworthy was good, but the drew carey is ok.. need to get the uncensored pam anderson version. haha. the BEEP kinna suck since i dont want to guess |
| 06:29.41 | sobersabre | liable: Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 06:29.47 | deadcat | tung: remove --purge |
| 06:29.50 | sobersabre | E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate |
| 06:29.57 | sobersabre | very wierd.... |
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| 06:30.22 | beardy | sobersabre: Checked the bts? |
| 06:30.23 | Azar | what for is synaptic? |
| 06:30.34 | sobersabre | 'bts' ? |
| 06:30.36 | liable | sobersabre: welcome to testing/unstable |
| 06:30.41 | beardy | !btssmite sobersabre |
| 06:30.44 | dondelelcaro | tung: the kernel is probably linux-image-2.6.15 if that's actually what you have installed; dpkg -l *image*|grep ^ii; |
| 06:30.52 | tung | am I using the wrong version number? dpkg --purge --force-remove-essential kernel-image-2.6.15 |
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| 06:32.22 | Guerin | tung: how should we know what you have installed? |
| 06:32.45 | Azar | does anyone enjoy ytree like I do ? |
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| 06:32.53 | Azar | :) I am so happy |
| 06:32.55 | beardy | !anyone |
| 06:32.55 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 06:33.02 | Guerin | !ytree |
| 06:33.02 | dpkg | it has been said that ytree is a file manager |
| 06:33.06 | deadcat | Azar: nope |
| 06:33.14 | tung | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/rCMLVl50.html |
| 06:33.22 | I4NI | !popcorn |
| 06:33.24 | tung | i installed 2.6.15 |
| 06:33.26 | Gnea | wll, anyone was her |
| 06:33.30 | Gnea | here |
| 06:33.36 | Azar | beardy, are you giving me speech class? |
| 06:33.43 | Guerin | tung: is that what the package is called? |
| 06:33.54 | Azar | deadcat I missed xtree for so many years |
| 06:33.59 | beardy | Azar: ? |
| 06:34.02 | deadcat | Azar: if you like a lite weight GUI manager. try rox-filer |
| 06:34.14 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:34.23 | Guerin | recommending rox to someone who likes xtree |
| 06:34.24 | Azar | deadcat, will do thanks for the tip |
| 06:34.29 | liable | tung: do what dondelelcaro told you |
| 06:34.32 | Guerin | they're as different as you can possibly get |
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| 06:34.45 | tung | Guerin dondelelcaro: Im not sure, i did dpkg -l *image*|grep ^ii and lists some version numbers |
| 06:34.50 | Azar | Guerin mc looked awkward to me.. |
| 06:34.50 | deadcat | Guerin: hush... |
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| 06:34.56 | Guerin | tung: don't guess. |
| 06:35.07 | Guerin | deadcat: that's all you seem to say. |
| 06:35.12 | HeatHawk | Is there a way to enable highmem support with out rolling my own kernel? |
| 06:35.24 | deadcat | Guerin: dont feel like screaming like a bitch right now |
| 06:35.41 | tung | is there a way for me to find out which version it is? |
| 06:35.58 | I4NI | anyone recognize the file manager being used in this pic? http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/Nuno_Alexandre-1600x1200/screenshot.jpg |
| 06:36.01 | beardy | HeatHawk: It should already be in there. |
| 06:36.01 | Guerin | tung: dpkg -l |grep 2.6.15 |
| 06:36.29 | Guerin | HeatHawk: debian 2.6 kernels have 4G highmem |
| 06:36.37 | sobersabre | liable, I need a working system .... |
| 06:36.40 | sobersabre | hmm... |
| 06:36.55 | HeatHawk | Mem: 906588k total, 850512k used, 56076k free, |
| 06:36.56 | sobersabre | Is there a documentation on how to go back to sarge ? |
| 06:37.01 | liable | sobersabre: so, use apt-get.. |
| 06:37.03 | sobersabre | actually is not back. |
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| 06:37.06 | Coweater | I4NI: looks like rox with custom iconset |
| 06:37.09 | Guerin | sobersabre: no. |
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| 06:37.20 | Azar | sobersabre: there is no go back, only reinstall |
| 06:37.24 | Gnea | sobersabre: yes. pop sarge cd in drive. reboot. install. |
| 06:37.28 | I4NI | thx Coweater |
| 06:37.36 | Guerin | HeatHawk: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 06:37.36 | sobersabre | liable, I remember there's been sometimes problem with X and such... is everything on Xorg now - both testing & unstable and sarge ? |
| 06:37.38 | tung | Guerin: ahh! i was typing in kernel-image-2.6.15 instead of linux-image-2.6.15 |
| 06:37.40 | deadcat | ya. thats roxfiler |
| 06:37.50 | sobersabre | Gnea, I don't like reinstalling.... |
| 06:37.53 | Azar | Sarge does not do officially xorg |
| 06:37.56 | deadcat | and a really ugly osx theme (= |
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| 06:37.58 | Gnea | sobersabre: life's a bitch huh |
| 06:38.02 | beardy | sobersabre: xorg is not in sarge |
| 06:38.13 | HeatHawk | Guerin, ah, so i should just change that to no for NOHIGHMEM |
| 06:38.43 | sobersabre | beardy, then.... If I do revert to sarge. Is there a www located doc on how to go back to sarge ? |
| 06:38.46 | Guerin | HeatHawk:show me output of uname -a |
| 06:38.57 | liable | !downgrade |
| 06:38.57 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 06:38.59 | sobersabre | beardy, sorry you somehow came into the completion..... |
| 06:39.00 | Guerin | sobersabre: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 06:39.01 | HeatHawk | CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y |
| 06:39.01 | HeatHawk | # CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set |
| 06:39.01 | HeatHawk | # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set |
| 06:39.04 | Azar | sobersabre: there is no "go back" to Sarge |
| 06:39.07 | Gnea | sobersabre: what's to read? you'r only reinstalling |
| 06:39.09 | beardy | sobersabre: Guerin told you above, reinstall. |
| 06:39.17 | Guerin | HeatHawk: is that really the output of uname -a |
| 06:39.18 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:39.27 | HeatHawk | oh, misread |
| 06:39.29 | HeatHawk | lol |
| 06:39.32 | beardy | sorry, Gnea |
| 06:39.40 | Gnea | sobersabre: reinstalling *IS THE ONLY* way to go back to sarge. |
| 06:40.00 | sobersabre | Gnea, OK... I am slowly going out of denial... hm. is the amd64 image usable ? |
| 06:40.04 | HeatHawk | uname -a |
| 06:40.09 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:40.09 | HeatHawk | damn |
| 06:40.09 | Gnea | sobersabre: sur |
| 06:40.10 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 06:40.16 | HeatHawk | i forgot the xchat extension, lol |
| 06:40.16 | Gnea | my e key sucks |
| 06:40.28 | HeatHawk | Linux xtrosepc 2.6.12-1-386 #1 Tue Sep 27 12:41:08 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:40.31 | sobersabre | Gnea, what does it suck ? |
| 06:40.36 | nichos | hi all, im looking for various panels (fbpanel, etc) anyone know of any sites that might compare them? |
| 06:40.40 | Gnea | hehe |
| 06:40.54 | Guerin | HeatHawk: use a -686 kernel |
| 06:41.12 | Guerin | HeatHawk: presuming you're running a pentium 2 or better |
| 06:41.17 | HeatHawk | Guerin, i should use -k8 :p |
| 06:41.19 | deadcat | nichos: fbpanel is nice |
| 06:41.21 | sartan | W: GPG error: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 06:41.22 | Guerin | HeatHawk: do so, then. |
| 06:41.24 | sartan | huh? |
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| 06:41.29 | sartan | ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release.gpg |
| 06:41.29 | Gnea | sartan: /topic |
| 06:41.32 | sartan | it's there. |
| 06:41.35 | HeatHawk | fresh install, havent gottehn that far buddy |
| 06:41.35 | sartan | oh. I see |
| 06:41.39 | sartan | I never read channel topics |
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| 06:41.52 | nichos | deadcat i like it, i just cant get the open tasks to resize - that is if i have more then 10 open, 11+ aren't showed at the bottom |
| 06:41.53 | HeatHawk | just wondering where the highmem option was, thanks a bunch |
| 06:41.54 | beardy | !topicsmite sartan |
| 06:41.54 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon sartan. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 06:41.54 | Guerin | it's presumed that 386 machines don't have more than a gig of ram, sensibly |
| 06:41.59 | sobersabre | hmm... something is wrong. |
| 06:42.07 | sartan | Thank you guys. |
| 06:42.13 | sartan | HACKERS ARE SO MEAN. |
| 06:42.14 | sobersabre | I remember there has been a stable, unstable and testing branches. |
| 06:42.27 | sobersabre | sartan, hackers are nice. criminals are mean. |
| 06:42.31 | Guerin | sartan: we'll stop bieng mean when you stop being stupid |
| 06:42.36 | deadcat | nichos: ah... i only use the pager and the clock (= |
| 06:42.38 | beardy | sartan: What did they do? |
| 06:42.54 | nichos | deadcat how to you switch between windows? |
| 06:42.54 | Azar | sobersabre: the best way is to pin Sarge, Etch or Sid so to be sure what is going on |
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| 06:43.10 | deadcat | nichos: click on the pager or alt+f1 ... |
| 06:43.19 | Guerin | alt+tab |
| 06:43.24 | sobersabre | Azar OK. I then want the one that is 1 generation ahead of sarge. who is it ? |
| 06:43.33 | sartan | Hey, Guerin, you can go stick it up your ass. Nobody here is stupid, nitwit. |
| 06:43.37 | beardy | sobersabre: No you don't. |
| 06:43.51 | sartan | Fucking channel topics are never relevant. Nobody should be required to read them. |
| 06:43.55 | Azar | sobersabre: Woody |
| 06:43.55 | liable | sartan: etch |
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| 06:43.59 | Azar | ah |
| 06:44.01 | Azar | ahead |
| 06:44.07 | Azar | Etch |
| 06:44.08 | Gnea | heh |
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| 06:44.11 | Guerin | sartan: people who don't read channel topics before asking questions are, by definition, stupid. |
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| 06:44.42 | sobersabre | beardy, why ? I maybe need to update, but I remember there was a release that was 'unstable', because there was no security auditing team for it. ( it was when sarge was not stable yet ) and it was really stable. |
| 06:44.48 | Azar | Guerin you got your hands full now |
| 06:44.55 | Gnea | Guerin: you tell 'im! |
| 06:44.57 | beardy | sobersabre: Run stable. |
| 06:45.00 | omry_ | I got a bad drive (bad blocks appeared yesterday). yestaerday I could still access it, now when I try anything it just blocks. I saw a message like 'disabling irq 18' from the system, can it be the reason? how do I enable it back? |
| 06:46.03 | sobersabre | beardy, but it uses such an old software... no hal |
| 06:46.18 | beardy | hal? |
| 06:46.23 | sobersabre | am i mistaken ? |
| 06:46.32 | Gnea | omry_: the drive is probably fucked. got a backup? |
| 06:46.32 | liable | !info hald sarge |
| 06:46.33 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you using hotplug or udev on the pbook? |
| 06:46.49 | Azar | sobersabre: you mean Woody |
| 06:47.04 | Azar | you can pin apt sources to Woody instead of "stable" |
| 06:47.07 | sobersabre | Azar, ... I am too confused with the releases. |
| 06:47.16 | Azar | Woody is the old-stable and is good with old hardware |
| 06:47.21 | omry_ | Gnea, the drive is fucked alright, I got backup for most, still got one thing on it I want to salvage. |
| 06:47.40 | beardy | !tell sobersabre -about releases |
| 06:47.49 | Azar | sobersabre: only that woody will not run 2.6.x series kernels, only the 2.4.x kernels |
| 06:48.02 | Gnea | omry_: then salvage it now. |
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| 06:48.52 | Azar | sobersabre: if you can afford try running Sarge in order to get a 2.6.x kernel> in order to get a video driver easily. |
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| 06:49.07 | omry_ | Gnea, thing is I can't even ls it now, it just blocks. |
| 06:49.18 | omry_ | Gnea, I think its related to that irq that was disabled. |
| 06:49.40 | sobersabre | Azar, I am on nforce4 machine. I am more concerned to run old kernel than new ones. |
| 06:50.11 | Azar | sobersabre: you mean you are more interested to run an old kernel? |
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| 06:51.07 | Gnea | omry_: heh, the irq is disabled because the drive has malfunctioned. what drive is it? |
| 06:51.31 | Gnea | omry_: if you turn it off, it probably won't even work ever again |
| 06:51.42 | omry_ | Gnea, Maxtor 200gb SATA. |
| 06:51.47 | Gnea | MAXTOR |
| 06:51.51 | Gnea | just give up now |
| 06:51.59 | Gnea | i see them go ALL the time |
| 06:52.06 | sobersabre | Azar, no, the opozitte. |
| 06:52.16 | sobersabre | I am interested in the newer one. |
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| 06:52.43 | omry_ | Gnea, know how I can enable that IRQ? |
| 06:52.46 | sobersabre | Azar, I think Etch is what I want, but ... I want to make sure it is what I have now. |
| 06:52.49 | omry_ | just to try. |
| 06:53.08 | omry_ | I know the drive is bad, but at least some of the surface is good. maybe I`ll be able to get my file. |
| 06:53.14 | Gnea | omry_: it's not going to work, the drive is toast - but you can try to use hdparm. is it still mounted? |
| 06:53.21 | omry_ | yes |
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| 06:53.49 | Gnea | man... hdparm while it's mounted... i dunno |
| 06:53.59 | omry_ | its mounted as ro |
| 06:54.05 | Gnea | might be your best bet at this point |
| 06:54.18 | Gnea | is it partitioned? |
| 06:54.21 | omry_ | yes. |
| 06:54.35 | omry_ | the partition table is okay, I mounted just one partition. |
| 06:54.39 | sobersabre | how can I check which ( Etch or Sid ) I am running currently ? |
| 06:54.39 | Azar | sobersabre: then install Woody but in the middle of the installation, BEFORE running apt to install the remaining modules you have to stop it for a moment with Ctrl+Alt+F2, login as root then go to /etc/apt/sources.list and CHANGE the "stable" with "woody" so you will get the woody packages |
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| 06:55.03 | Azar | sobersabre: Etch is the "testing" distro |
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| 06:55.14 | sobersabre | Azar, are you bot ? ... seems so... |
| 06:55.21 | Azar | sobersabre: no |
| 06:55.23 | beardy | Indeed. |
| 06:55.24 | Gnea | rofl |
| 06:55.27 | Azar | haha |
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| 06:55.45 | beardy | Azar: Why on earth are you telling him to install woody? |
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| 06:56.03 | sobersabre | Azar, I've never seen an admitting bot... let's see... |
| 06:56.14 | Azar | beardy the way he explains he has an old hardware box and wants the old stable distro |
| 06:56.17 | sobersabre | Azar, do you often eat fish on the cinema chair in december ? |
| 06:56.23 | EdLin | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 06:56.29 | omry_ | Gnea, I don't see anything about irq in hdparm |
| 06:56.45 | Azar | sobersabre: I thought you needed help |
| 06:56.55 | sobersabre | :) as you see, I probably need :) |
| 06:57.00 | beardy | sobersabre: What processor doyou have, and howmuch RAM? |
| 06:57.03 | Gnea | omry_: anything if you just ran hdparm /dev/sda (or whtaever it is?) |
| 06:57.16 | sobersabre | no seriously, how can I know if this is etch or sid I am using... ? |
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| 06:57.40 | Azar | sobersabre: myself because I need to feel different I allways install woody and go up to sarge from there |
| 06:57.58 | sobersabre | Azar, I thought I needed help.... |
| 06:58.03 | beardy | Azar: That's just plain stupid. |
| 06:58.04 | Azar | woody is a good experience for new users, and I like to feel like a new user everytime |
| 06:58.14 | I4NI | sobersabre: look in your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 06:58.17 | Azar | beardy thanks for the compliment |
| 06:58.19 | EdLin | woody is a more difficult installer than sarge |
| 06:58.23 | omry_ | Gnea, yes |
| 06:58.25 | omry_ | some info |
| 06:58.29 | EdLin | Azar: are you on crack? |
| 06:58.42 | Azar | EdLin, I did not spent 3 years on 57 installations for nothing |
| 06:58.45 | beardy | (IMO Woodys installer were better) |
| 06:58.50 | ganymed | hallo |
| 06:58.57 | EdLin | Azar: wow, 3 years. My first kernel was 0.95 |
| 06:58.58 | Azar | woody rocks |
| 06:59.00 | Gnea | EdLin: yeah, so users should know how it was? :P |
| 06:59.02 | sobersabre | I4NI, there is the remains: [Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 Binary-1 (20060107)] |
| 06:59.09 | EdLin | Gnea: heh |
| 06:59.17 | beardy | Azar: It seems you did. You should have learned something instead if reinstalling so many times. |
| 06:59.41 | Azar | beardy back then I did not had such a bright helper like you to guide me |
| 06:59.42 | sobersabre | beardy, I have a usparc with 324 MB of ram. |
| 06:59.50 | sobersabre | ;) |
| 07:00.17 | beardy | sobersabre: I bet he hasn't understood that it's not an x86 yet. |
| 07:00.34 | Gnea | omry_: irq is only set if there's communication to the drive. it's like unplugging the ethernet |
| 07:00.44 | sobersabre | beardy, I am gidding. it's like kidding and giggling at the same time. |
| 07:00.59 | omry_ | Gnea, so how do I plug it back in? :) |
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| 07:01.24 | beardy | sobersabre: So, that's not what you have? |
| 07:01.51 | sobersabre | no. at least not at home. |
| 07:02.01 | beardy | sobersabre: If you can't give us the simplest information, we can't help you, bye now. |
| 07:02.16 | Gnea | omry_: that might not be possible :) you'd rally just have to unmount it and try sending it scsi signals |
| 07:02.26 | Gnea | scsitools and sdparm |
| 07:02.31 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:02.45 | omry_ | Gnea, I bet it wont even unmount. |
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| 07:03.11 | sobersabre | beardy, do you hear a tone of histery in my voice ? |
| 07:03.30 | sobersabre | mke33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 |
| 07:03.34 | sobersabre | shit.\ |
| 07:03.36 | sobersabre | my cat |
| 07:03.42 | sobersabre | sorry |
| 07:03.43 | Gnea | omry_: not without a physical disconnect - but scsitools might wake it up |
| 07:03.46 | bleaked | lol |
| 07:04.04 | Gnea | omry_: maybe just long enough to get the data off |
| 07:04.07 | sobersabre | she made it to Enter key!!! |
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| 07:04.26 | omry_ | Gnea, its not scsi, I am on 2.6.7, it appears as /dev/hde |
| 07:05.16 | Gnea | omry_: oh shit... |
| 07:05.25 | Azar | in any case in the news is that future Debian distros will not support sparc architectures |
| 07:06.06 | sobersabre | Azar, it's no wonder, even sun microsystems soon stop supporting sparc architectures :) |
| 07:06.17 | ke6isf | sobersabre: Cat on the keyboard? |
| 07:06.22 | Azar | sobersabre: try Woody |
| 07:06.29 | Gnea | omry_: do you know if it's a S.M.A.R.T. capable device? |
| 07:06.29 | sobersabre | ke6isf, she went off. |
| 07:07.10 | omry_ | Gnea, I don't know for sure, but I suspect not. yesterday, from knoppix, I tried smartctl on it, and it reported that its not SMART capable. |
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| 07:07.33 | sobersabre | Azar, you should be concentrated, ALL of you, :) I am typing in jokes too. I stopped asking since I got a strong advice to go for sarge. since then I am trying to understand if there's a chance to stay with etch, occasionally dropping a line into the chan. |
| 07:07.40 | Gnea | omry_: ah ok |
| 07:08.14 | sobersabre | I actually am on amd64 machine. |
| 07:08.46 | sobersabre | I appreciate the help. I don't ask for it anymore. |
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| 07:09.46 | Azar | sobersabre: I am concentrated reading the news.. |
| 07:09.57 | sobersabre | omry, what is your motherboard's chipset ? |
| 07:10.10 | omry_ | Gnea, if I will reboot, the irq will be enabled if the disk is even semi functional? |
| 07:10.36 | sobersabre | Azar, nice of you. but maybe you should concentrate on chan and news sequentially in round robin fashion... |
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| 07:11.05 | sobersabre | omry_, what is your mobo chipset ? |
| 07:11.17 | noiesmo | hey all whats the expected KB/s for ssh on 10MB network |
| 07:11.21 | omry_ | sobersabre, nforce4, I think. |
| 07:11.47 | ganymed | ciao |
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| 07:12.20 | sobersabre | omry, and is the HD new one ? |
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| 07:12.41 | omry_ | not new, about 1.5 years. |
| 07:12.58 | sobersabre | oh... and have you moved it from one machine into another ? |
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| 07:13.11 | omry_ | sobersabre, no. |
| 07:13.36 | omry_ | rebooting, bbl. |
| 07:13.39 | Readon | is it writable when i mount a compressed ramdisk image? |
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| 07:14.02 | Nivea | Hi all. A saimple question: does Debian and it's installer support the nVidia nForce4 chipset (for the A64 platform) 'natively' ? |
| 07:14.06 | Nivea | -a |
| 07:14.29 | repp | Nivea: you wish it was simple |
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| 07:14.49 | sobersabre | Nivea, there is amd64 images for sarge. |
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| 07:15.06 | sobersabre | Nivea, do you use a SATA hard disk or IDE ? |
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| 07:15.36 | Nivea | on nForce3 it installs and works (Socket 939 with AGP) but on nForce4 does it install and work correctly ? SATA of course. SATA is supported well in LSorensen's A64 image.. |
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| 07:16.45 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:16.47 | sobersabre | Nivea, is it PCI-E vga ? |
| 07:17.24 | Nivea | No, VGA would be definitely some older type of normal PCI. I wouldn't use X anyway, it would be a server with A64 X2 |
| 07:18.07 | Nivea | Yes, all of the nForce4 boards are PCI-E VGA btw :) |
| 07:18.25 | Nivea | -VGA (so, nForce4 is a PCI-E chipset) :) |
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| 07:19.53 | Nivea | I'm just curious because on my A64 (nForce3 chipset, the same but with the older AGP) the installer didn't see my sata drives at all. LSorensen helped me out with his A64 image, I still use that kernel at home. But for this machine (nForce4) ? I don't know.. |
| 07:20.40 | Azar | Nivea SATA support comes with higher kernels as I heard, so I guess Etch or Sid will do |
| 07:20.48 | Nivea | And at the time it didn't work at nForce3, everybody was telling me that it should have a correct SATA support. That's why I'm asking for anybody who's already tried it on nForce4. |
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| 07:21.26 | Nivea | Yepp. Kernel would be 2.6.12. |
| 07:21.48 | Nivea | Perhaps I look after a bit at kernel.org.. |
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| 07:27.47 | benny | #debian-devel-fr@irc.debian.org |
| 07:27.58 | ice_1963 | what is a troll ? |
| 07:28.06 | Fu_Bart | Hi Volx, Just tried this on #demudi. Does anyone still have the MD5 sum for "demudi_1.2.0_i386.iso" (i.e. not for the rc[23] versions)? |
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| 07:28.37 | dondelelcaro | Fu_Bart: if #demudi doesn't know, we won't know either. |
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| 07:29.02 | chou-chou | anyone know why i have no probs sending email out using postfix/smtp unless its to a hotmail address, just keeps reporting mx1.hotmail.com timed out, same with mx2,mx3,mx4 |
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| 07:30.02 | kadigibox | chou-chou, its cause hotmail sucks |
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| 07:30.58 | Fu_Bart | dondelelcaro: Can it be true that nobody on #debian experiments with a dedicated sound (multimedia) distro?? Anyway, I think the demudi server is probably too small to keep old versions online. |
| 07:31.00 | gl1tchy0ne | any here able to answer some noob questions about debian... been using slack but man this is different |
| 07:31.11 | Gnea | A troll is a fearsome member of a mythical anthropomorph race from Scandinavian folklore. |
| 07:31.22 | chou-chou | i cant ping that ip, but i can traceroute up to quite a few msn.net adresses before times out, could just be being blocked on ping dunno |
| 07:31.53 | fooz | trolls dwell under bridges. not too bright. Crunchy, and good with ketchup. |
| 07:32.28 | Fu_Bart | trolls also pretend to be rocks to trap unwary wanderers in the deep Swedish forests |
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| 07:33.10 | Gnea | In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages on the Internet, such as on online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. |
| 07:34.12 | Daedalus_ | gl1tchy0ne: ask away |
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| 07:35.09 | dondelelcaro | Fu_Bart: why would we need to use a non-Debian distribution when we could do all of that in Debian? In any case, the entire line of questioning is off topic; we're not here to discuss distributions that are derived from Debian. |
| 07:35.25 | gl1tchy0ne | Thanks Daedalus.. First I installed using just the first CD and I would like to know howto install the source files in /usr/src so that I can compile my kernel |
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| 07:35.58 | gl1tchy0ne | In slack it has always done that for me |
| 07:36.02 | hachi | anyone know what the replacement for lvm2's pvresize command is? according to the changelogs for the debian package it was removed in november 2004 as a 'useless command'... but I want to resize my pv |
| 07:36.20 | Azar | nicke new tool: checkinstall |
| 07:36.26 | Fu_Bart | dondelelcaro: humble apologies! Just looking for one small line of text |
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| 07:36.49 | Coweater | gl1tchy0ne: why do you need to compile a kernel? |
| 07:37.24 | Azar | could I use checkinstall to install packages not included with Sarge distro? |
| 07:37.30 | fooz | hachi, unstable has a pvresize |
| 07:37.36 | Gnea | Fu_Bart: what's demudi? |
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| 07:37.39 | Fu_Bart | dondelelcaro: the real advantage of demudi is that they've patched it to facilitate multichannel recording, etc. - very attractive for musicians (like me) |
| 07:37.47 | hachi | fooz: how did you find this out? packages. is down |
| 07:37.54 | fooz | hachi, i run unstable... |
| 07:37.54 | Fu_Bart | Gnea: (see prev.) |
| 07:37.55 | sagarp | er....this is probably a noob qusetion...but is tehre some way to automagically turn ubuntu into debian? |
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| 07:38.17 | Azar | sagarp: yes: install Debian |
| 07:38.17 | Gnea | Fu_Bart: what? |
| 07:38.18 | dondelelcaro | Fu_Bart: that's just a function of the kernel and the drivers that you're using... has little to do with the actual distribution. |
| 07:38.29 | sagarp | azar :P that means a reformat doesnt it =X |
| 07:38.36 | fooz | hachi, lvm2 2.02.01-1 has it |
| 07:38.39 | Fu_Bart | Gnea: (see prev.) The Debian Multimedia Distribution (DeMuDi) |
| 07:38.41 | dondelelcaro | Fu_Bart: FE, I can already do multichanel recording here... |
| 07:38.47 | hachi | fooz: thanks for the version, exactly what I needed |
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| 07:39.00 | Azar | sagarp: if by inserting the CD in the cd drive and installing Debian then yes |
| 07:39.01 | fooz | np |
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| 07:39.13 | Fu_Bart | dondelelcaro: WHAT ARE YOU USING??? (I probably need it badly) |
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| 07:39.20 | Gnea | Fu_Bart: care to troll some more? |
| 07:39.29 | sagarp | eh cant hrut |
| 07:40.05 | Daedalus_ | gl1tchy0ne: hrmm... well, I'm not exactly sure what state your system is in. |
| 07:40.45 | dondelelcaro | Fu_Bart: it's all in the hardware; the emu10k1 in this machine can do > 2 channels; the hammerfall cards can do it to rather large numbers of channels |
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| 07:40.53 | Daedalus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.01 | Fu_Bart | Gnea: Sorry, not trying to troll - I just don't really know too much about IRC's |
| 07:41.33 | Fu_Bart | dondelelcaro: Thanx. I'll look into it. 'Bye now |
| 07:41.56 | Azar | I hope multimedia will go to some other Debian branch |
| 07:42.22 | dondelelcaro | Azar: multimedia is mainly just a matter of the software that you install, and the drivers for the hardware |
| 07:42.40 | dondelelcaro | (of course, it kind of depends what you mean by multimedia) |
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| 07:43.37 | Azar | dondelelcaro: this demundi they keep talking about is in fact a TV/DVD/CD/MP3/Phone/..etc features they really want on a PC |
| 07:43.46 | luh | hai bole knl gak? |
| 07:43.56 | Azar | huh? |
| 07:44.29 | fooz | you can do multitrack recording on debian proper. the only thing you need is a kernel patch to improve latencies |
| 07:44.43 | fooz | there's lots of audio software.. ardour is a multitrack recorder |
| 07:44.46 | Daedalus_ | !tell gl1tchy0ne about make-kpkg |
| 07:45.09 | dondelelcaro | fooz: you don't even really need that in most cases |
| 07:45.14 | fooz | well, I did |
| 07:45.19 | fooz | ardour was unusable without it |
| 07:45.22 | Azar | good thing I really can opt out of that multimedia thing |
| 07:45.24 | dondelelcaro | depends on the hardware... |
| 07:45.31 | fooz | sb live |
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| 07:49.07 | ixp | HI! I need some help.. I've installed DebianNetworkInstall, so I now I have only kernel on my laptop.. and now I need to configure apt, to download other software, but my internet goes thoriugh another computer |
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| 07:49.46 | ixp | in what file and how should I configure proxy settings in my laptop where ir Debian? |
| 07:50.16 | Azar | ixp you usually will say Which Debian Distro you installed and What Kernel Version are you using with that |
| 07:50.49 | ixp | ok, I'll check now |
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| 07:51.16 | Azar | ixp there are three versions: Sarge/stable, Etch/testing or Sid/unstable and kernels are either the 2.4.x series or 2.6.x series |
| 07:51.16 | Daedalus_ | proxy? Isn't that app specific? |
| 07:51.36 | _rene_ | not necessarily |
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| 07:51.48 | _rene_ | some applications also honor http_proxy and ftp_proxy |
| 07:51.55 | _rene_ | environment variables |
| 07:51.58 | Daedalus_ | Ah |
| 07:52.00 | _rene_ | but mostly it is, yes |
| 07:52.06 | SerajewelKS | ixp: if you have another computer set up as a gateway (not the same thing as a proxy) then set that in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:52.12 | Azar | good night honorables |
| 07:52.18 | buu | Hrm. Anyone know of a cli/tui type program that supports multiple torrent download? |
| 07:52.28 | EdLin | buu: rtorrent |
| 07:52.31 | SerajewelKS | buu: Guerin likes rtorrent |
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| 07:52.53 | buu | Package name? |
| 07:52.59 | SerajewelKS | buu: rtorrent |
| 07:53.08 | buu | Hrm. Let me update. |
| 07:53.15 | buu | I just remembered this box was msasively out of date. |
| 07:53.17 | ixp | SerajewelKS yeah i know that file, but i need exactly proxy |
| 07:53.23 | SerajewelKS | !info rtorrent sarge |
| 07:53.27 | buu | Hrm. Still no matches for rtorrent |
| 07:53.28 | ixp | kernel is 2.4.27 |
| 07:53.34 | SerajewelKS | ixp: is the other computer a debian box? |
| 07:53.38 | SimonRaven | it won't be in sarge |
| 07:53.50 | SerajewelKS | buu: hmm i guess it's a fairly new package |
| 07:54.00 | SerajewelKS | buu: you could backport it from testing or unstable |
| 07:54.03 | buu | Oh. I appear to be on stable. How weird. |
| 07:54.06 | SimonRaven | entered sid a short while ago |
| 07:54.15 | SerajewelKS | !info rtorrent |
| 07:54.21 | dpkg | rtorrent: (ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent), section net, is extra. Version: 0.4.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 133 kB, Installed size: 384 kB |
| 07:54.23 | EdLin | buu: maybe bittornado can do it |
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| 07:54.27 | SimonRaven | i think |
| 07:54.30 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 07:54.32 | buu | EdLin: That's tui? |
| 07:54.36 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven: has it ever moved to testing? |
| 07:54.37 | ixp | SerajewelKS no |
| 07:54.41 | EdLin | buu: tui or gui, your choice |
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| 07:54.50 | SimonRaven | !depends rtorrent |
| 07:54.54 | SimonRaven | dunno |
| 07:54.55 | sses | hi |
| 07:54.56 | dpkg | rtorrent: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libcurl3 (>= 7.15.0-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5), libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8a-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libtorrent6 (>= 0.8.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 07:55.06 | SerajewelKS | ixp: hrm, well you can try such things as: http_proxy=http://proxy.address:port apt-get update |
| 07:55.08 | SimonRaven | buu: ^^ |
| 07:55.17 | sses | anyone know why efax-gtk is not in testing repositories? |
| 07:55.29 | SerajewelKS | ixp: or 'export http_proxy=...' to save that variable for the life of the shell instance |
| 07:55.42 | SimonRaven | !why efax-gtk isn't in testing |
| 07:55.53 | SerajewelKS | !why is foo not in testing |
| 07:55.53 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foo |
| 07:55.58 | buu | SimonRaven: Sorry, what am I supposed to do that? |
| 07:56.01 | ixp | wow.. where to save it? |
| 07:56.13 | SimonRaven | ah, thanks |
| 07:56.18 | EdLin | !tell buu about simple sid backport |
| 07:56.19 | SerajewelKS | ixp: generally, you don't save it |
| 07:56.52 | SerajewelKS | ixp: oh, that's right.. try apt-setup |
| 07:57.00 | SerajewelKS | ixp: i believe it prompts for proxy information |
| 07:57.28 | ixp | hmm i'll trow something now |
| 07:57.33 | ixp | hmm i'll try something now |
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| 07:58.52 | buu | Is sid unstable or testing? |
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| 07:59.01 | Coweater | sid is always unstable |
| 07:59.07 | _rene_ | buu: unstable. www.debian.org/releases |
| 07:59.10 | SimonRaven | unstable |
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| 08:00.15 | buu | Right right. I found it. I get "unable to find source package for rtorrent" when I run the apt-get build-dep line though |
| 08:00.20 | duckdown | Hey all..I'm trying to install the new version of GTK, and I just did a make/make install on glib-2.8.5, but ./configure for GTK is telling me although pkg-config --modversion gtk-2.0 is returning '2.8.5' its finding '2.6.4' also. Then it goes on to tell me I should remove my old version of GLIB, but I haven't a CLUE how! Can someone please help me |
| 08:00.27 | zealop | what is a good VPN client for linux? i need to connect to my ZyWall |
| 08:00.30 | duckdown | I think my old version is in /usr/include and the new one is in /usr/local/include |
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| 08:00.50 | SimonRaven | why are you trying to compile gtk? |
| 08:01.01 | duckdown | SimonRaven: I need the newest version for the newest gaim |
| 08:01.05 | EdLin | !wayc duckdown |
| 08:01.05 | dpkg | duckdown: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 08:01.06 | duckdown | and Im on debian-STABLE |
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| 08:01.22 | duckdown | because apt-get is using an old gaim package, with old glib, old gtk |
| 08:01.29 | EdLin | !tell duckdown -about simple sid backport |
| 08:01.51 | duckdown | Why sigh instead of help someone.. You were new too before man |
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| 08:02.09 | buu | SimonRaven: Your backport instructions are lacking the workingness. |
| 08:02.13 | EdLin | !troll duckdown |
| 08:02.20 | SimonRaven | when i was new i didn't try to compile things |
| 08:02.25 | SimonRaven | buu: not mine |
| 08:02.41 | SimonRaven | and they do work |
| 08:02.50 | duckdown | thanks for calling a new user with a question a troll |
| 08:02.53 | duckdown | real professional, edlin |
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| 08:03.08 | _rene_ | duckdown: you use stable. stable deosn't get updated anymore when it was released. |
| 08:03.13 | buu | SimonRaven: Do not! |
| 08:03.18 | SimonRaven | left |
| 08:03.24 | _rene_ | duckeo: except security and critical fixes |
| 08:03.26 | _rene_ | oh |
| 08:03.44 | SimonRaven | buu: not my fault you can't read simple instructions ;P |
| 08:03.52 | _rene_ | duckeo: sorry, was intended for duckdown... |
| 08:03.53 | sses | thanks dpkg for the link |
| 08:03.53 | dpkg | my pleasure, sses |
| 08:03.54 | buu | SimonRaven: Dude, the third command is failing! |
| 08:04.01 | buu | SimonRaven: It's hardly my fault. |
| 08:04.07 | buu | (I'm not sure it's debian's fault, but still...) |
| 08:04.50 | gl1tchy0ne | so seems how you peoples like noobs so much how does one change the default WM in debian without the use of gdm or xdm? |
| 08:05.12 | buu | gl1tchy0ne: Uninstall gdm. Write a startx script. Win! |
| 08:05.17 | SimonRaven | buu you need to get them manually |
| 08:05.26 | EdLin | gl1tchy0ne: # update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 08:05.27 | buu | SimonRaven: Oh. Bummer. |
| 08:05.46 | SimonRaven | not hard, fetch them from dpkg (the bot) |
| 08:06.15 | buu | Er, it dccs now? |
| 08:06.26 | sses | night all |
| 08:06.48 | gl1tchy0ne | ah cool I will try that when I get home... |
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| 08:07.15 | SimonRaven | no, the !depends command |
| 08:07.28 | gl1tchy0ne | I for one will be glad when they switch to Xorg instead of XFree86 |
| 08:07.50 | EdLin | gl1tchy0ne: there is no functional difference yet between the two for 99% of users |
| 08:09.01 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah I am just use to the config files for Xorg i guess... because I used slack and they switched... I started using debian yesterday cause I am looking for a decient pckmgmt system and am not used to all these shortcuts |
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| 08:09.23 | hachi | what generates /var/lib/dpkg/available? |
| 08:09.41 | jm_ | hachi: /msg dpkg available |
| 08:09.50 | SimonRaven | "debian: making it easier to do real work instead of managing your system" ;) |
| 08:09.55 | gl1tchy0ne | Does debian's way of custom kerneling work well? I have never used it |
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| 08:10.19 | EdLin | gl1tchy0ne: very well |
| 08:10.20 | Daedalus_ | gl1tchy0ne: it does take a while. Rule of thumb: if you find yourself starting to compile something from source, you're probably doing something wrong. |
| 08:11.12 | gl1tchy0ne | LOL that is going to take some time to get used to daedalus. How often does apt break stuff with dep management? |
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| 08:11.43 | Daedalus_ | gl1tchy0ne: their kernel compiling methods work very well, though you might try the std kernel for a bit. Chances are pretty good that it's got everything you need. |
| 08:12.24 | Daedalus_ | gl1tchy0ne: Not often. It's extremely rare if you're running stable. |
| 08:13.15 | gl1tchy0ne | thats kewl... yeah I am sure the kernel has everything I need... I guess that I have always just liked to cut down on the crap I dont need |
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| 08:13.56 | Daedalus_ | gl1tchy0ne: And in the 4 or so years I've been running debian, I think I've only managed to have apt really screw me up a couple of times while I was running unstable. |
| 08:14.29 | Daedalus_ | Granted, I don't update religiously |
| 08:15.03 | gl1tchy0ne | wow thats pretty nice... that was my one bitch about slack is the way they handle packages... |
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| 08:15.52 | Daedalus_ | Yeah, I learned on slack, and it was good for the learning of dependency/source wrangling + config file writing. |
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| 08:16.48 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah it really is... I think it is the best *nix to learn on.. I guess it is always good to deal with stuff the hard way first |
| 08:16.54 | Daedalus_ | But having a package mgr with all the software at your fingertips... preconfigured and compiled... it is sweet. |
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| 08:17.23 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah I am looking forward to that! just have to learn the ins and outs of dpkg and apt-get |
| 08:17.54 | Stormy | anyone know of a solution to view a webcam in realtime over a network connection? |
| 08:18.05 | Guerin | Stormy: gnomemeeting |
| 08:18.23 | Stormy | that's a possbility |
| 08:18.26 | Daedalus_ | gl1tchy0ne: don't bother too much with learning dpkg. wrangle dselect enough so that if you have to, you can use it, but then go to synaptic (gui) asap. Such a time saver. |
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| 08:18.28 | Stormy | any other options? |
| 08:18.29 | Guerin | Stormy: is compatible with netmeeting on windows, or any other h.323 program |
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| 08:18.36 | Stormy | that's true |
| 08:18.40 | Stormy | could i set it out auto answer? |
| 08:18.47 | Guerin | probably |
| 08:18.50 | Stormy | 've never used gnome meeting |
| 08:18.53 | Guerin | i haven't used it lately |
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| 08:19.18 | jcdubacq | hello |
| 08:19.19 | liable | Guerin: *gasp* you have used GNOME?!?! |
| 08:19.22 | liable | :P |
| 08:19.28 | Guerin | liable: no. Just the odd app |
| 08:19.35 | jcdubacq | what happend to experimental repository ? |
| 08:19.42 | liable | even a gnome app shocks me :P |
| 08:19.52 | Stormy | i was hoping for something that didn't require X on the "server" |
| 08:20.10 | borco | hi |
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| 08:20.59 | borco | is the info about public key available somewhere on the debian web site? |
| 08:21.08 | Daedalus_ | see topic |
| 08:21.08 | gl1tchy0ne | can anyone shed some light on difference between apt and dpkg? |
| 08:21.47 | Daedalus_ | gl1tchy0ne: Sure. dpkg is purely a package manager. apt will also fetch packages, fill dependencies, etc |
| 08:22.04 | liable | borco: it actually comes with the latest apt.. |
| 08:22.09 | borco | Daedalus_, I would rather trust a web site than a bot ... |
| 08:22.19 | Daedalus_ | dpkg wrangles individual package files |
| 08:22.47 | Daedalus_ | borco: we put that stuff in the bot. A lot of #debian questions get answered through it. You must cope. I'm sorry. |
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| 08:23.35 | gl1tchy0ne | ah I see... that makes more since... but they both work together? You just choose the correct one for the task? |
| 08:23.46 | borco | Daedalus_, hmmm ... this info is rather important... it should be more publicly visible than in a bot... |
| 08:24.14 | takatumi | gl1tchy0ne: check out debian-reference, it's packaged as well. |
| 08:24.26 | Guerin | borco: the keys should be available on debian.org |
| 08:24.28 | Daedalus_ | gl1tchy0ne: unless you've had occasion to make a dpkg file (a la make-kpkg or somesuch) you will probably never have to use dpkg |
| 08:24.50 | Guerin | Daedalus_: it is rather stupid to import gpg keys from unknown sources |
| 08:24.58 | Guerin | Daedalus_: do he's not being unreasonable |
| 08:25.03 | Guerin | s/do/so/ |
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| 08:25.36 | Guerin | apt: you're clever |
| 08:25.37 | Daedalus_ | Guerin |
| 08:25.38 | gl1tchy0ne | thanks takatumi will check that out |
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| 08:25.59 | Daedalus_ | Guerin: very true. |
| 08:26.03 | gl1tchy0ne | thanks also daedalus I understand that a lot better now |
| 08:26.40 | Daedalus_ | No problem. |
| 08:26.59 | SimonRaven | foo: bar bazz |
| 08:27.10 | SimonRaven | s,zz,z, |
| 08:27.22 | SimonRaven | s/zz/z/ |
| 08:27.45 | gl1tchy0ne | so lets start a flameware... I am looking a lightweight but feature rich "Desktop Env" or "Window Manager" any suggestions? |
| 08:27.50 | SimonRaven | no i didn't |
| 08:27.59 | gl1tchy0ne | *flamewar |
| 08:28.08 | SimonRaven | flameware? do i really have to weare that? |
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| 08:28.15 | SimonRaven | doh! |
| 08:28.23 | Guerin | gl1tchy0ne: evilwm |
| 08:28.48 | borco | Guerin, thanx :) |
| 08:28.50 | hachi | ratpoison |
| 08:28.55 | SimonRaven | there's about 25 wms available, apt-get install away. have fun trying them all |
| 08:29.03 | borco | Daedalus_, on debian.org all I was able to find was this: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 08:29.05 | Daedalus_ | borco: this may be what you want: http://linux.seindal.dk/item101.html |
| 08:29.21 | Guerin | borco: they should be on ftp-master.debian.org |
| 08:29.25 | Guerin | i guess |
| 08:29.31 | Daedalus_ | which directs you to download the key from ftp-master.debian.org |
| 08:29.33 | Guerin | cba checking, though; I trust dpkg too much |
| 08:29.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:29.40 | borco | Daedalus_, and on this page I have found only the zizi_key_2006 that is not good for using apt ... |
| 08:29.44 | Guerin | gooooal! |
| 08:30.00 | SimonRaven | !2006 key |
| 08:30.00 | dpkg | somebody said 2006 key was apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. installing this package may not be auto-verifiable; OR! you can install the key as follow, explicitly trusting the keyserver with no verification -- gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 08:30.20 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah there is always that method... I used WindowMaker for some time when I started with slack quite a few years ago and was pretty happy... does anyone use that on debian? |
| 08:30.35 | liable | borco: apt-get upgrade; apt-get install apt; apt-get upgrade |
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| 08:31.32 | gl1tchy0ne | just googled evilwm and thats pretty slim... maybe to slim... looks nice tho |
| 08:31.32 | SimonRaven | s/upgrade/update/ |
| 08:31.42 | SimonRaven | apt: shut up |
| 08:31.45 | apt | yes, Master simonraven |
| 08:31.54 | SimonRaven | >< |
| 08:31.55 | borco | liable, I have already imported the key using the info from the /topic. But I don't like I had to come here to get it and I want to understand why that info is buried so deep down here :( |
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| 08:32.17 | ubuntu | hi all |
| 08:32.24 | kapil | gl1tchy0ne: many-one's use wmaker :) in fact desktop-base depends on gnome | kde | xfce4 | wmaker |
| 08:32.36 | Daedalus_ | !info 2006 key |
| 08:32.37 | ubuntu | i want install debian on my server,this server have a raid card,it's promise fasttask100,but when i have installed,it can't load.anyone can help me? |
| 08:32.52 | SimonRaven | Daedalus_: !info is for packages |
| 08:32.55 | ubuntu | ow i work in ubuntu livecd |
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| 08:33.12 | gl1tchy0ne | so is wmaker installed by default? |
| 08:33.20 | SimonRaven | Daedalus_: you probably want factinfo |
| 08:33.21 | ubuntu | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.25 | borco | !info 2006 key |
| 08:33.29 | SimonRaven | gl1tchy0ne: no |
| 08:33.37 | ubuntu | and can recongnize my harddisk |
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| 08:33.51 | ubuntu | hde and hdg |
| 08:34.01 | gl1tchy0ne | ah did'nt think so... anything more to it then apt-get and change xsession to load it? |
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| 08:34.36 | ubuntu | but ubuntu5.10 haven't the package dmraid |
| 08:34.58 | SimonRaven | gl1tchy0ne: no |
| 08:35.28 | Daedalus_ | SimonRaven: that I do. Thanks |
| 08:35.31 | _rene_ | ubuntu: what are you trying to install? sarge? It may just be that sarge's kernel is too old. which kernel did you try? |
| 08:35.40 | SimonRaven | ubuntu: switching to debian is doable, but it's not easy for someone used to package management |
| 08:35.51 | gl1tchy0ne | cool! thanks SimonRaven |
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| 08:36.08 | _rene_ | SimonRaven: huh? the package management is the same. |
| 08:36.14 | kapil | gl1tchy0ne: you may want to install a number of packages that start with 'wm'. these are various dock applets for wmaker. |
| 08:36.31 | ubuntu | i installed ubuntu5.10 |
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| 08:36.44 | ubuntu | kernel 2.6.12 |
| 08:36.53 | SimonRaven | _rene_: i know, switching the packages from ubuntu to debian, and making sure all the deps are ok wasn't exactly a breeze |
| 08:37.01 | SimonRaven | even with aptitude |
| 08:37.07 | gl1tchy0ne | thanks kapil I will remember that |
| 08:37.10 | _rene_ | SimonRaven: that's why you reinstall :) |
| 08:37.17 | borco | bye |
| 08:37.21 | SimonRaven | i didn't want to do that ;) |
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| 08:37.32 | ubuntu | ok |
| 08:37.38 | SimonRaven | (i *did* manage however ;) |
| 08:37.38 | noiesmo | ubuntu, _rene_ is probably right it is probably a kernel issue |
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| 08:37.45 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 08:38.01 | ubuntu | i installing sarge on my system |
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| 08:38.21 | ubuntu | from my livecd |
| 08:38.21 | _rene_ | ubuntu: which kernel did you try? 2.4.27 or 2.6.8? |
| 08:38.27 | ubuntu | 2.6.12 |
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| 08:38.34 | kapil | ubuntu: a hand-compiled kernel may work for you with debian stable. |
| 08:38.41 | _rene_ | jup |
| 08:38.46 | SimonRaven | still have the old stuff from the ubuntu sources.list ;) > ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu |
| 08:38.52 | _rene_ | kapil: the problem is that he must install it first :) |
| 08:38.59 | _rene_ | kapil: and when he wants / on RAID... ;-) |
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| 08:39.06 | SimonRaven | eek |
| 08:39.09 | SimonRaven | initrd time |
| 08:39.15 | takatumi | ubuntu is going to use sarge? ;-/ |
| 08:39.23 | SimonRaven | eh? |
| 08:39.26 | kapil | ah! got it. |
| 08:39.28 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 08:39.29 | ubuntu | yes |
| 08:39.31 | Daedalus_ | borco: all messages I have seen in the mailing lists indicate that the ziyi key is what apt uses... |
| 08:39.33 | gl1tchy0ne | wow windowmaker website is currently down |
| 08:39.46 | takatumi | SimonRaven: was meant to. :) |
| 08:39.58 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 08:40.01 | ubuntu | i install sarge use debootstrap |
| 08:40.15 | SimonRaven | should've been in bed an hour ago at least |
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| 08:40.56 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah I second that... ah dear sleep |
| 08:40.57 | Daedalus_ | borco: you do still need the 2005 key in your keyring as well (bug in apt) |
| 08:41.11 | kapil | ubuntu: huh!? I thought you couldn't install sarge? |
| 08:41.28 | Daedalus_ | aaaaaand borco left some minutes ago. drat the lot! |
| 08:42.46 | gl1tchy0ne | so to get the more up to date stuff one should apt-get from testing or unstable? |
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| 08:43.40 | gl1tchy0ne | logically to me testing comes after being unstable but then again... it could be the other way |
| 08:43.41 | kapil | gl1tchy0ne: up-to-date true but the names "testing" and "unstable" are indicative of what you might expect. |
| 08:43.46 | SimonRaven | stick to testing. won't break on you (too badly ;) |
| 08:44.40 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah that works so testing is the catagory after unstable... I guess deb is just a little insane about stable... but that is a good thing |
| 08:44.49 | kapil | gl1tchy0ne: you are right unstable becomes testing (eve...ntually) becomes stable. |
| 08:45.39 | SimonRaven | uh, no. |
| 08:45.49 | takatumi | http://debian.home.pipeline.com/newdebian.png |
| 08:45.52 | SimonRaven | sid doesn't become anything |
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| 08:46.19 | kapil | SimonRaven: i didn't mean the archive i meant each individual package. |
| 08:46.22 | liable | well, the apps go from unstable to testing to stable :) |
| 08:47.24 | TBBle | The apps go from unstable to testing. Testing becomes stable, taking the apps with it. |
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| 08:47.32 | SimonRaven | so say so :) |
| 08:47.40 | gl1tchy0ne | wow takatumi thats an insane process |
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| 08:48.20 | ubuntu | o,3ks !i have installd base system in my computer. |
| 08:48.31 | kapil | gl1tchy0ne: see the explanation of testing under www.debian.org. its quite logical even if seemingly insane. |
| 08:48.58 | nprice | i have an SATA cdrom and it shows up in dmesg under ata2, but is given no scsi /dev entry, but my sata hard drive on the same controller is given a /dev/ entry. what can I do? |
| 08:49.03 | EdLin | gl1tchy0ne: Debian used to have only unstable and stable, testing was added as a way to speed up the release process |
| 08:49.07 | kapil | ubuntu: congratulations. now all you need to do is sign the eula in sextuplicate :) |
| 08:49.25 | takatumi | or have sex with sextuplets |
| 08:49.32 | SimonRaven | makes perfect sense |
| 08:50.03 | ubuntu | 3ks |
| 08:50.19 | kapil | nprice: what do you want to do? can you access the CD drive? |
| 08:50.33 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah it sounds likes deb's testing is everyone else's stable-release |
| 08:51.11 | kapil | gl1tchy0ne: it's like mathematicians conjectures are physicists theorems. |
| 08:51.19 | SimonRaven | ni'night |
| 08:51.31 | nprice | kapil: i'm just trying to access the cd drive |
| 08:51.32 | liable | laters |
| 08:51.42 | EdLin | gl1tchy0ne: Debian stable is meant to be more stable than other distros, so it only has security updates. |
| 08:51.48 | gl1tchy0ne | Thanks for all the help SimonRaven |
| 08:51.51 | nprice | kapil: libata picks it up but it's never given a dev entry with scsi emulation |
| 08:52.04 | kapil | nprice: and can you access it at /dev/hd[abcd]? |
| 08:52.31 | nprice | kapil: no, there is no /dev entry, and it's sata so it would use scsi emulation rather than IDE |
| 08:52.46 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah I really like that... however I used Slack and it seemed deadly stable and still used 2.6 and Xorg and KDE 3.4..etc |
| 08:52.56 | nprice | so it would (should) be sg0 |
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| 08:53.41 | EdLin | gl1tchy0ne: Slack doesn't have 15,000 packages maintained by volunteers over half a dozen architectures |
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| 08:54.14 | kapil | nprice: perhaps you need to 'modprobe cdrom'. |
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| 08:54.23 | ideafix | LOL |
| 08:54.33 | ideafix | ÖMA NOIT BANED IN HERE |
| 08:54.36 | noiesmo | slackware shit is that still going hehehe |
| 08:54.42 | duckdown | Hello.. Is it possible to do a complete update of my system from testing to SID? dpkg said something about a backport to sid but having to add deb-src locations, but where do I get these locations from, and which ones do I add to do a full update? |
| 08:54.47 | duckdown | crap |
| 08:54.53 | duckdown | not from testing to sid, from stable to sid |
| 08:55.02 | liable | ideafix: not yet anyway |
| 08:55.12 | ideafix | FUCK YOU |
| 08:55.13 | EdLin | duckdown: iyntays |
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| 08:55.23 | ideafix | FUCK YOU PIGS |
| 08:55.29 | duckdown | ?? |
| 08:55.29 | liable | jesus |
| 08:55.35 | ideafix | SATAN |
| 08:55.38 | fooz | yes? |
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| 08:55.41 | duckdown | what the. |
| 08:55.42 | liable | !ops ideafix troll |
| 08:55.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ideafix troll |
| 08:55.49 | kapil | nprice: no actually it is 'modprobe sr_mod' |
| 08:55.54 | EdLin | liable: he's a ban evader as well |
| 08:55.54 | ideafix | liable KISS MY ASS |
| 08:55.56 | ideafix | liable KISS MY ASS |
| 08:55.59 | ideafix | liable KISS MY ASS |
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| 08:56.09 | ideafix | PILE OF POOH |
| 08:56.14 | duckdown | I can't find any guides to updating to 'sid' online |
| 08:56.17 | fooz | winnie the pooh? |
| 08:56.22 | ideafix | ASSHOLES |
| 08:56.28 | ideafix | ASSHOLES |
| 08:56.29 | morphy | good morning |
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| 08:56.35 | tosh | anyone experiencing xfce4 problems in sarge/unstable after updating that the title text of applications are not wrapped in the menubar? |
| 08:56.42 | ideafix | FUCK YOU PIGS ASSHOLES |
| 08:56.50 | liable | EdLin: ah, its changed ip/nicks? |
| 08:56.55 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah that is true about slack and that is the one thing I did not like thus I think debian is the right solution... at least I hope |
| 08:57.00 | EdLin | liable: yep |
| 08:57.06 | duckdown | dpkg backport to sid |
| 08:57.12 | morphy | how can i upgrade my apt source list for sarge? |
| 08:57.21 | fooz | glitch, were you a slack wizard? |
| 08:57.22 | nprice | kapil: sr_mod.ko and cdrom.ko are already loaded |
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| 08:57.47 | nprice | kapil i really believe it's an issue with scsi emulation |
| 08:57.52 | duckdown | dpkg !backport to sid |
| 08:57.57 | duckdown | bah!! |
| 08:58.03 | gl1tchy0ne | well fooz I don't think I would go that far but I used it for a couple of years... it's what I started with |
| 08:58.37 | liable | duckdown: that just doesnt make sense.. |
| 08:58.50 | duckdown | it was something like that, someone else typed it for me |
| 08:58.58 | gl1tchy0ne | I just really wanted access to a good pkgmgmt system and deb seems to have best from my research and still be stable like slack |
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| 08:59.02 | duckdown | i need to find out about the deb-src sources :( |
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| 08:59.12 | kapil | nprice: on one of the machines here i think we got the cd drive working. let me check. |
| 08:59.19 | duckdown | dpkg -tell me about backport to sid |
| 08:59.22 | nprice | thanks |
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| 08:59.31 | liable | duckdown: backport to sid? wtf |
| 08:59.39 | duckdown | ya its a real thing |
| 08:59.40 | duckdown | i swear |
| 08:59.46 | duckdown | it had some directions when it msg'd me |
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| 08:59.55 | EdLin | !tell duckdown about simple sid backport |
| 09:00.02 | rutski89 | How do I get telnet to open a connecton, issue 1 command, and exit |
| 09:00.04 | duckdown | ohh damn thanks |
| 09:00.13 | rutski89 | In other words, I don't want it to go interactive |
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| 09:00.35 | bbrazil | rutski89: expect |
| 09:00.58 | rutski89 | bbrazil: huh? |
| 09:01.02 | duckdown | But can I update my entire stable installation to sid? |
| 09:01.06 | liable | rutski89: you h4X0r1ng? |
| 09:01.06 | Gnea | rutski89: expect |
| 09:01.09 | gl1tchy0ne | Well thanks for all the conversation but I gotta get some sleep... Farewell to all |
| 09:01.10 | bbrazil | rutski89: aptitude installl expect |
| 09:01.16 | rutski89 | bbrazil: ahh, i see |
| 09:01.50 | rutski89 | liable: no, i just need a process to send a single char of data as a flat to another process. It's a very simple task, and I don't feel like writing socket handling code for it :-p |
| 09:02.05 | liable | heh |
| 09:02.18 | EdLin | duckdown: you can, but unless you really need something that has no backports available I don't recommend it, especially for someone new to Debian |
| 09:02.23 | bbrazil | rutski89: nc might be better for that job |
| 09:02.32 | rutski89 | bbrazil: nc? |
| 09:02.38 | Gnea | oh wow |
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| 09:02.56 | duckdown | theres really alot of broken things in it |
| 09:02.59 | duckdown | darn |
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| 09:03.36 | EdLin | duckdown: it's not so much the amount of broken things, its the frequency of show-stopper bugs in neccesarily installed packages |
| 09:03.36 | duckdown | well i dont have a clue how to install the new gtk then :s |
| 09:03.48 | duckdown | i see =[ |
| 09:04.02 | liable | rutski89: ithm netcat |
| 09:04.10 | kapil | nprice: turns out our sata machine uses and ide cdrom not a sata cdrom. |
| 09:04.14 | EdLin | duckdown: check out apt-get.org and see if someone has backported the latest gaim for you... |
| 09:04.39 | kapil | nprice: so, i cant help you with your problem. sorry. |
| 09:04.46 | liable | !seen bob2 |
| 09:04.47 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 26d 1h 59m 28s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 09:04.51 | rutski89 | liable: ahh, yea; netcat; that might be good, i'll give it a shot |
| 09:04.52 | _rene_ | backports.org has a gaim 1.5.0+1.1.5.1cvssomething |
| 09:05.01 | _rene_ | err |
| 09:05.07 | _rene_ | 1.5.0+1.5.1cvssomething |
| 09:05.19 | duckdown | EdLin: but according to the dpkg bot I need deb-src entries for sid |
| 09:05.51 | EdLin | duckdown: only if you're making your own backport, apparently according to _rene_ you can save yourself the headache, gaim is backported |
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| 09:06.15 | liable | duckdown: anyway, whats so hard about adding the sid source? |
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| 09:06.50 | duckdown | liable: nothing is hard about it; i don't know where to GET the source from though |
| 09:06.57 | duckdown | EdLin: I'll check those sites out, thanks |
| 09:07.54 | nprice | kapil: thanks anyways |
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| 09:13.14 | duckdown | cool, this backports thing is neat |
| 09:13.30 | duckdown | seems to be working :-) thanks guys |
| 09:14.10 | duckdown | exit |
| 09:14.13 | duckdown | oops |
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| 09:16.36 | ubuntu | on sarge haven't pakage dmraid,i want up to ny system to sid |
| 09:17.37 | duckdown | i asked the same thing ubuntu |
| 09:17.40 | _rene_ | no, you don't. sid breaks. regularily. don't use it unless you know what you do |
| 09:17.51 | _rene_ | and don't use it on servers. especially not with raid or so ;) |
| 09:18.05 | liable | ubuntu: they newer raid shits is called mdadm |
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| 09:18.15 | liable | s/they/the/ |
| 09:18.27 | liable | apt: shut up |
| 09:18.32 | apt | yes, Master liable |
| 09:18.32 | duckdown | lol |
| 09:18.37 | liable | hehe |
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| 09:19.15 | ubuntu | ok i locate it |
| 09:19.19 | Octave_Octet | Hi. Since I ran alsaconf, I have an awful shrieking noise coming out from my speakers, over the sound |
| 09:19.54 | noiesmo | so do i its my wife haha |
| 09:19.54 | Octave_Octet | (I ran alsaconf several times earlier today and I did not have this noise) |
| 09:20.38 | noiesmo | you've worn it out |
| 09:20.41 | crashbg[work] | can apache2 automatically redirects requests for a website to a ssl website, like let's say i want to open http://mysite.com and instead to open https://mysite.com |
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| 09:21.20 | liable | Octave_Octet: ubuntu anyway, dmraid is still available.. |
| 09:21.21 | crashbg[work] | or i have to make an index page for the non-ssl site that will redirect to the ssl website? |
| 09:21.33 | liable | !info dmraid sarge |
| 09:21.45 | Octave_Octet | !info dmraid sarge |
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| 09:21.56 | ubuntu | dfmec:/etc/apt# apt-cache search mdadm |
| 09:21.57 | ubuntu | mdadm - tool to administer Linux md device arrays (software RAID) |
| 09:21.57 | ubuntu | dfmec:/etc/apt# apt-cache search mdraid |
| 09:21.57 | ubuntu | dfmec:/etc/apt# apt-cache search dmraid |
| 09:21.57 | ubuntu | dmraid - Device-Mapper Software RAID support tool |
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| 09:22.03 | Octave_Octet | liable: Are you sure you were speaking to me ? |
| 09:22.18 | liable | Octave_Octet: err. no i wasnt dorry |
| 09:22.21 | liable | sorry too.. |
| 09:22.29 | liable | i give up. |
| 09:22.38 | noiesmo | crash[bg], ask #apache channel |
| 09:23.19 | paivakil | crashbg[work]: you should be able to |
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| 09:25.11 | ubuntu | #flood |
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| 09:26.03 | liable | ubuntu: ignore me, i was thinking raidtools when you were saying dmraid.. |
| 09:26.49 | ubuntu | your means i must install dmraid? |
| 09:27.34 | duckdown | EdLin: can I upgrade major things like my version of X or Gnome/KDE and such? |
| 09:27.36 | ubuntu | i want use my promise fasttak100.......... |
| 09:28.54 | ubuntu | when i google about it ,that i may use dmraid. |
| 09:29.10 | EdLin | duckdown: probably not with the "simple sid backport" method, but if they are in a reliable backport archive yes. |
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| 09:31.08 | EdLin | duckdown: incidentally, don't add too many backport archives, if they conflict you might end up with dependency problems. |
| 09:31.33 | duckdown | EdLin: well what is the preferred method of upgrading major system components then like my window managers? |
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| 09:32.02 | Guerin | duckdown: don't. |
| 09:32.04 | EdLin | duckdown: Debian Stable isn't really meant for version chasing. |
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| 09:32.18 | duckdown | Okay fair enough |
| 09:32.21 | Guerin | duckdown: if you want to run the latest greatest, run testing. |
| 09:32.21 | duckdown | thanks. |
| 09:32.33 | ubuntu | i have use sid a long time.so i think i can use it on my server. |
| 09:32.40 | Guerin | ubuntu: think again. |
| 09:32.52 | duckdown | ;d |
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| 09:33.03 | Guerin | ubuntu: unless you don't really care if your server dies, in which case go right ahead. |
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| 09:33.47 | EdLin | ubuntu: when sid upgraded my kernel recently it ended up in an unbootable state. Obviously it isn't for servers. |
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| 09:34.09 | ubuntu | i must use dmraid.but sarge haven,t this pakage. |
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| 09:34.25 | EdLin | !tell ubuntu -about simple sid backport |
| 09:34.53 | Guerin | !need |
| 09:34.53 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. you do need beer, though. |
| 09:35.15 | TBBle | Wow! How did dpkg know I need beer? |
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| 09:35.26 | ubuntu | ^_^ |
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| 09:35.39 | King_Brad | is there anyway to moniter / log how much bandwith i've used each week / day / month? |
| 09:36.12 | ubuntu | o my god |
| 09:36.18 | Coweater | King_Brad: look at mrtg |
| 09:36.27 | ubuntu | Setting up DMRAID devices...ERROR: opening path /sys/block |
| 09:36.27 | ubuntu | ERROR: failed to discover devices |
| 09:36.27 | ubuntu | invoke-rc.d: initscript dmraid, action "start" failed. |
| 09:36.41 | King_Brad | mrtg? |
| 09:36.48 | TBBle | ... DMRAID _does_ require a 2.6 kernel. |
| 09:37.25 | ubuntu | but my kernel is 2.6.12 |
| 09:37.29 | liable | TBBle: you *always* need beer :) |
| 09:37.37 | King_Brad | will mrtg show me like, if i've uploading 20gigs and download 100gigs, thats what im lookin for |
| 09:38.19 | Coweater | ifconfig will show you that |
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| 09:38.37 | TBBle | ubuntu: Then why don't you have /sys? |
| 09:38.45 | liable | if you havent rebooted/ifdowned.. |
| 09:39.19 | Guerin | TBBle: dpkg knows all and sees all |
| 09:39.24 | sifi-x | is it OK to run etch as desktop? |
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| 09:39.44 | Guerin | sifi-x: only you can answer that. |
| 09:39.44 | Coweater | sifi-x: you won't die |
| 09:39.44 | cheal | sifi-x: sure |
| 09:39.59 | Guerin | sifi-x: you have my permission, if you agree not to whine about things being broken in #debian |
| 09:40.14 | ubuntu | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.14 | ubuntu | bin debootstrap etc initrd lost+found mnt proc sbin sys usr |
| 09:40.14 | ubuntu | boot dev home lib media opt root srv tmp var |
| 09:40.20 | Guerin | !paster ubuntu |
| 09:40.21 | dpkg | ubuntu: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 09:40.37 | Guerin | ubuntu: not that we care about the output of ls |
| 09:40.43 | ubuntu | sorry ! |
| 09:41.16 | ndee | how can I sniff everything that communicates with my mail server? Because when I want to send a mail, the intended recipient doesn't get a mail, but a mail is generated and sent to an alerts@hosting.com address. Now, I'm wondering what's the content of that mail, that is being sent to alerts@hosting.com |
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| 09:41.32 | bbrazil | ndee: tcpdump, ethereal |
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| 09:42.00 | bbrazil | ndee: also: /var/log/mail.log |
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| 09:45.12 | Guerin | ndee: if you don't get a rejection message from the remote smtp host, it's their responsibility to deliver the mail. Tell the user at the other end to complain to their host. Your duties are discharged as soon as your mta sends the message and has it accepted. |
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| 09:45.27 | Guerin | ndee: sniffing the traffic won't help this, either. |
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| 09:49.26 | mkl1525 | Hi, one of our servers has from time to time high loads although vmstat says there is enough cpu idle time (60%), no swap in/out, little disk io (100 blocks/5s), so is there any other bottleneck I could/should look for? |
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| 09:52.27 | bibe | hi all. My colleague installed qmail from source on a sarge box. How can apt be "instructed" so that it doesn't complain about a missing MTA? Is installing exim4 and 'update-rc.d -f exim4 remove' a better solution? |
| 09:52.59 | paivakil | bibe: installing from sources is a real bad thing to do |
| 09:53.02 | kurumin | oi |
| 09:53.09 | bibe | paivakil : I told him :-S |
| 09:53.13 | kurumin | hi |
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| 09:54.21 | paivakil | exim has an option of doing that - you could build your own exim-daemon-<mybinary> package and install it from apt|dpkg |
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| 09:55.22 | bibe | paivakil : should I build exim-daemon-<mybinary> from qmail sources? |
| 09:55.45 | Guerin | bibe: wtf |
| 09:55.45 | sep | bibe, use equivs perhaps ? |
| 09:55.50 | caphuso | bibe: apt-cache show equivs, or use the qmail-src package |
| 09:55.53 | Guerin | don't use qmail |
| 09:55.55 | Guerin | use exim |
| 09:55.59 | Guerin | or postfix |
| 09:56.08 | caphuso | Guerin: that goes without saying :) |
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| 09:56.32 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell bibe about equivs |
| 09:56.49 | bibe | caphuso , Guerin , Zugschlus , sep : thanks |
| 09:57.28 | Zugschlus | bibe: but using qmail is a real bad idea. qmail is unmaintained for years, and wasn't even a particularly good MTA back then when it was still being worked on |
| 09:57.37 | hueh | Guerin: what do you have against qmail? |
| 09:57.44 | petemc | it sucks |
| 09:57.45 | Guerin | !qmail |
| 09:57.45 | dpkg | from memory, qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or ... |
| 09:58.18 | Guerin | hueh: short answer: it triples the amount of spam through any host it's running on in default configuration |
| 09:58.27 | Guerin | but there are other reasons too |
| 09:58.30 | Zugschlus | !dpkg start an mta war |
| 09:58.31 | dpkg | courier is hard to configure |
| 09:59.34 | bibe | Zugschlus , Guerin : I dumped qmail for postfix a couple of years ago, and it (postfix) runs perfectly. My colleague had installed qmail, I am helping him |
| 10:00.19 | Guerin | heh |
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| 10:00.26 | Guerin | !why exim4 |
| 10:00.26 | dpkg | http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=31 |
| 10:00.54 | Tanaselia | hello everyone! |
| 10:05.18 | hueh | Guerin: I don't agree with your "triples the amount of spam" - I think this is more of a packaging issue. rblsmtp has made a huge difference to our spam received. |
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| 10:05.57 | Tanaselia | does anyone around here used GenieOS for installing Debian? |
| 10:07.05 | Guerin | hueh: i said 'in default configuration' |
| 10:07.18 | Guerin | hueh: that's how the thing was designed to work, and that makes it shit. |
| 10:07.49 | Guerin | hueh: don't give me the excuse that you can patch it to not be so shit - I can patch hello world to be a functional MTA, but that don't make it one. |
| 10:08.53 | hueh | Guerin: not patch but change the configuration |
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| 10:09.02 | bibe | ok, I used equivs to build a dummy package to provide mail-transport-agent. Thanks all, now I'll try to convince my colleague to migrate to a more "sane" MTA |
| 10:09.10 | adii | hello |
| 10:09.20 | bibe | where "sane" means actively maintained |
| 10:09.23 | Tanaselia | hello adii |
| 10:09.24 | XTL | I kind of wish ssmtp would keep some queue if messages get a temporary failure from receiving node. Maybe a cron process to clean the queue. |
| 10:09.32 | Guerin | hueh: since you can't distribute those changes, it's materially the same. |
| 10:10.18 | adii | i've done "crontab -e 0 0 * * * "sh ... " " , but it ain't doing the sh thing i want |
| 10:10.26 | adii | have i missed some step ? |
| 10:10.36 | hueh | Guerin: well the init.d script is provided by the debian packager not qmail IIRC |
| 10:11.50 | caphuso | adii: you did what? |
| 10:12.09 | Tanaselia | what should i do if i want KDE 3.5 on my Debian system? |
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| 10:12.36 | valdyn | Tanaselia: on sarge? |
| 10:12.46 | Tanaselia | sarge, testing |
| 10:12.54 | Tanaselia | still thinking on this |
| 10:13.05 | valdyn | Tanaselia: sarge and testing are mutually exclusive |
| 10:13.08 | francesko | hallo world! |
| 10:13.14 | Tanaselia | ok, make it testing then |
| 10:13.21 | valdyn | !why is kdebase not in testing |
| 10:13.21 | dpkg | kdebase is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdebase |
| 10:13.57 | Tanaselia | so it's a matter of time? |
| 10:14.14 | valdyn | Tanaselia: probably just wait 9 days |
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| 10:14.21 | valdyn | Tanaselia: in any case, yes |
| 10:14.34 | Tanaselia | how long should we wait? aprox? |
| 10:14.44 | Tanaselia | oh, just saw that, 9 days, ok |
| 10:14.47 | Tanaselia | sorry |
| 10:14.52 | caphuso | something between 9 days and a few months |
| 10:15.03 | ootput | would any of you setup debian as a firewall over openbsd? |
| 10:15.06 | Tanaselia | caphuso: lol |
| 10:15.07 | paivakil | caphuso: ;) |
| 10:15.20 | fireba11 | i want to sort mails using a .forward file .. now how do i need to specify the path to a maildir folder for exim ? |
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| 10:15.33 | Tanaselia | did anyone tried to install GenieOS? |
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| 10:16.09 | wishkah | hi, how can I configure the debian system init/startup process? Cause I run debian on a libretto 50ct and the swap is activated too late, so it runs out of memory (16mb) during start of "hotplug" |
| 10:16.26 | TBBle | ootput: I wasn't aware there was a Debian on openBSD port. |
| 10:16.45 | caphuso | fireba11: read the documentation of the "save" command in the exim filter docs |
| 10:16.46 | wishkah | I put /sbin/swapon /dev/hda2 into /etc/rcS.d/S03swap, but it's still too late (hotplug is before that?!?) |
| 10:17.06 | fireba11 | caphuso: thanks .. didn't know where to look |
| 10:17.38 | ootput | TBBle: there must be, otherwise my question would have been in vain :) |
| 10:18.10 | liable | wishkah: you could always remove hotplug. or set it to run after swap |
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| 10:19.23 | wishkah | liable: is there a preferred way of removing that thing (deb conf or something) or do I just delete the file? |
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| 10:19.46 | liable | wishkah: apt-get remove hotplug |
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| 10:20.01 | chugga | ive apt-get installed guile-1.6 ... but it doesnt seem to have put any hearders in /usr/include .... any ideas why |
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| 10:20.14 | TBBle | ootput: Got a link? /ports/ only lists netbsd and kfreebsd. |
| 10:20.19 | wishkah | liable: why is hotplug run BEFORE S03swap.sh in /etc/rcS.d/ ? |
| 10:21.16 | bibe | I am trying to use udev on a sarge box. Since installing it didn't remove hotplug (udev and hotplug only conflict in etch and sid, not in sarge), is it ok to leave both installed? Or should I remove hotplug? |
| 10:21.16 | liable | wishkah: swap is usually activated when fstab is read. |
| 10:21.20 | wishkah | and can I somehow force debian to activate the swap very early in the bootup process? Cause hotplug isn't the only init that runs out of mem |
| 10:21.25 | G | Hey guys.... i did a ntfsresize and fdisk (to make windows happy), now during debian installer i can't actually modify the partition table, not even tell it what partition i want to install debian on |
| 10:21.25 | caphuso | TBBle, ootput: the openbsd port has been abandoned long ago |
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| 10:21.40 | TBBle | caphuso: Oh. Oh well... |
| 10:21.45 | G | any ideas |
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| 10:22.40 | chugga | how do i query what files were installed and where, by apt-get install package |
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| 10:22.55 | jm_ | you can't |
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| 10:23.16 | TBBle | chugga: dpkg -L package? |
| 10:23.45 | bibe | chugga : you can see what files package <foo> installed , by dpkg -L <foo> as TBBle suggests |
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| 10:23.50 | jm_ | or learn about apt-file |
| 10:23.57 | POVaddct | is falconseye (nethack based game) in sarge? |
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| 10:24.08 | chugga | TBBle, i think thats what i needed |
| 10:24.10 | ootput | caphuso: ah, ok |
| 10:24.15 | jetscreamer | ok what do i file a bug against for dpkg-reconfigure ?dm . i don't want to file a bug against the ?dm, i want to file a bug against the reconfigure script |
| 10:24.49 | bibe | POVaddct : no, it's only in sid. you can backport it if you want |
| 10:24.50 | Dewi | sorry about the somewhat OT question, but has anyone heard of a linear write mode where if the filesystem runs out of space, the file will "scroll to the left" and the beginning will be truncated? |
| 10:25.04 | POVaddct | bibe: thanks |
| 10:25.08 | Dewi | I have software that appears to be doing this and I am quite intruigued |
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| 10:25.26 | bibe | POVaddct : no problem |
| 10:25.28 | pwned | is there an AMD64 debian ISO which is more complete than those businesscard cds? if I want to install a modem driver on it, I have to pull 40 individual dependencies manually |
| 10:25.47 | jetscreamer | netinstall maybe? or a full blown one |
| 10:25.54 | Guerin | pwned: you want to get cd1. #debian-amd64 |
| 10:26.11 | chugga | hmm.. i got it, i needed to install the dev package too. |
| 10:26.19 | Guerin | jetscreamer: g'day mite |
| 10:26.29 | jetscreamer | yobosayo |
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| 10:26.46 | pwned | whoa, there it is |
| 10:27.00 | pwned | I'm sure that didn't exist two weeks ago =P |
| 10:27.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:27.39 | Guerin | jetscreamer: ni hao |
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| 10:27.56 | caphuso | ootput, TBBle: http://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/2002/10/msg00063.html |
| 10:28.00 | jetscreamer | ah so that's how you spell it in chinese |
| 10:28.11 | jetscreamer | i was doing neehow |
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| 10:28.28 | jetscreamer | ok english |
| 10:28.36 | pwned | wait, this is sarge. |
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| 10:28.55 | pwned | I need a newer kernel than that, if I just get the deb of the newer kernel, I hope it won't get screwed |
| 10:28.56 | Guerin | jetscreamer: it has diacritics which you'll have to imagine |
| 10:28.57 | jetscreamer | change the debconf priority and choose sid |
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| 10:29.35 | TBBle | jetscreamer: Isn't the reconfigure script part of the package? Or do you mean dpkg-reconfigure itself? |
| 10:29.47 | ootput | caphuso: i became aware of it in Jan of 02 |
| 10:29.51 | ootput | that'd explain it ;) |
| 10:30.09 | jetscreamer | TBBle: the same script runs no matter which dm you want to reconfigure. i want to file ion that script. |
| 10:30.16 | jetscreamer | s/ion/on/ |
| 10:30.23 | jetscreamer | omg |
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| 10:30.34 | jetscreamer | does apt do that all the time? |
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| 10:30.40 | caphuso | jetscreamer: yes :-( |
| 10:30.42 | ekix | hi! 4-port promise is not detected by debian installer 3.1r1a w/ 2.6 kernel. anybody know about this? |
| 10:30.43 | liable | lately. |
| 10:30.53 | ekix | i thought it should be supported, but perhaps i was wrong |
| 10:31.01 | ekix | sataii150 tx4 to be more precise |
| 10:31.15 | XTL | hm.. packages went down again? |
| 10:31.30 | azeem | it's down for a couple of days now |
| 10:32.08 | wishkah | can I configure debian not to boot into xdm but to the normal console without removing the x server? |
| 10:32.13 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 10:32.15 | caphuso | wishkah: apt-get remove xdm |
| 10:32.15 | XTL | Hm. It seems that it does give package descriptions, but not eg the copyright file (with homepage urls) |
| 10:32.18 | jm_ | wishkah: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 10:32.19 | jetscreamer | speaking of my bug... |
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| 10:33.28 | Nigel | anyone know if dpkg has any dirt on the Intel 82801 "Ultra ATA Storage Controllers" |
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| 10:34.02 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg listkeys maybe Nigel |
| 10:34.11 | ootput | isn't that pIIx? |
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| 10:35.04 | peterS | yes, that's in the PIIX series |
| 10:35.34 | TBBle | jetscreamer: Do you know which script it is? |
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| 10:36.03 | peterS | Nigel: what's your problem with them? the 82801 is extremely common and the PIIX IDE driver is therefore quite robust, in general |
| 10:36.23 | peterS | (well, I say "the 82801" but it's really a whole series of chipsets) |
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| 10:37.34 | Nigel | peterS, i'm using a oldish Debian install disk (sarge netinstall beta3 IIRC), and it keeps going mad at partitioning, it's not displaying the HD and it's partitions |
| 10:37.38 | ootput | Nigel: it (dpkg) doesn't appear to show anything |
| 10:37.42 | Dewi | does anyone know what the standard behaviour of write() is in an out-of-disk-space situation? |
| 10:37.58 | peterS | Dewi: 'man 2 write' does not tell you? |
| 10:38.07 | Nigel | (although the disk works perfectly everywhere else) |
| 10:38.11 | Dewi | peterS: doesn't mention that scenario specifically, no |
| 10:38.23 | peterS | Dewi: look for the line that starts with ENOSPC |
| 10:38.42 | jetscreamer | no, TBBle ... :( that's why i ask |
| 10:38.49 | Nigel | The only thing i did before hand was cut 20gb off my NTFS partition with ntfsresize beforehand (and fix the partition table with fdisk |
| 10:38.50 | peterS | Nigel: what exact chipset, do you know? I just wonder how new it is |
| 10:39.08 | peterS | Nigel: wait, ntfsresize worked? so the disk is certainly physically detected |
| 10:39.10 | Dewi | peterS: oh. I thought it would use the word "space" :P |
| 10:39.17 | Dewi | peterS: man page searching just never, ever, works for me |
| 10:39.19 | TBBle | jetscreamer: OK. Look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/?dm.config, that's the dm-specific script. It should be trying to run another script. dpkg -S that script, you've prolly got your culprit |
| 10:39.19 | Nigel | 915gm |
| 10:39.25 | jetscreamer | TBBle: i don't know if it's just a common script the ?dm package maintainers d/l and embed in the .deb or if it's a dpkg thing |
| 10:39.29 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 10:39.31 | peterS | Dewi: heh. anyway, that's the errno value you get. (: |
| 10:39.37 | Nigel | peterS, ntfsresize provided by whax or whatever it is ;) |
| 10:39.47 | Nigel | but yeah, linux understands the disk |
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| 10:40.10 | Dewi | peterS: thing is, I ran streamripper to record an mp3 today, forgot to stop it, and ran out of space... but for some reason the start of my file seems to be an hour after I started the recording |
| 10:40.15 | Guerin | whax? |
| 10:40.15 | peterS | Nigel: back up a moment. if you aren't using ntfsresize from the debian install disk you should say so. because what we're trying to nail down is *which kernel* sees the disk and which kernel does not |
| 10:40.35 | Dewi | peterS: and when I found it, with zero bytes of space, it seemed to still be running |
| 10:40.36 | Nigel | the kernel that sees the disk is 2.6.11.8 |
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| 10:40.51 | Dewi | peterS: so anyway it *looks* like the file has effectively "scrolled to the left" |
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| 10:40.56 | TBBle | jetscreamer: It's embedded in the dm-specific script. Report a bug against whichever dm you hit it on, and let the maintainers bug-bounce it around until someone fixes it. |
| 10:41.14 | Nigel | (it's a fujitsu disk) |
| 10:41.15 | peterS | Nigel: you should try running debian-installer with the 2.6 kernel (2.6.8, as it happens). type "linux26" at the Boot: prompt. |
| 10:41.17 | Dewi | peterS: which to me seems very odd. I just glanced at the code and it looks like it just uses write() |
| 10:41.17 | TBBle | jetscreamer: Unless you're on 6.9.0-1 xdm, in which case upgrade to 6.9.0-2, the config script was boned. |
| 10:41.31 | Nigel | peterS, i actually have an older 2.6 kernel on my netinstall disk |
| 10:41.38 | Nigel | as i said, i'm using beta3 |
| 10:41.39 | peterS | Dewi: not everyone that uses write() checks for errors. it's distressingly common to forget that |
| 10:41.44 | Nigel | maybe thats making all the difference |
| 10:41.57 | peterS | Nigel: I thought beta3 used 2.6.8 as well. maybe not ... I don't recall |
| 10:42.08 | Nigel | i think it uses .3 |
| 10:42.21 | Dewi | peterS: OH. I think I know what's happened. I'm recording from a different TIME ZONE. |
| 10:42.23 | Jake | evening! |
| 10:42.32 | Nigel | (for some werid reason) |
| 10:42.35 | Nigel | i'll check |
| 10:42.36 | Jake | just downloading my first debian iso! oooh the suspense |
| 10:42.38 | Dewi | peterS: that's a MUCH more likely explanation than the file scrolling to the left |
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| 10:42.47 | peterS | Nigel: anyway if you already know your chipset is based on the 82801 series, perhaps you can say *which* 82801 it is. the 915 numbers don't tell me that, I don't know the mapping between those |
| 10:42.49 | jetscreamer | k alrighty TBBle sounds good... /me is apt-getting a dm (again) |
| 10:42.58 | peterS | Dewi: heh. indeed. |
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| 10:44.02 | grahamoz | mmm |
| 10:44.02 | Nigel | peterS, i'm actually just tring to get windows to get a little more detailed |
| 10:44.15 | liable | Dewi: you use the sarge streamripper? |
| 10:44.25 | boyd | Hi, all, sorry if this is a FAQ, but I'm wondering why k3b hasn't moved back into testing yet. It's page on haxx.se only mentions builds on hppa. Surely that's not it. |
| 10:44.27 | peterS | Nigel: something like "82801DB" or "82801AA" or similar, is what I'm wanting |
| 10:44.50 | ootput | Nigel: add/remove devices |
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| 10:45.12 | Nigel | fb |
| 10:45.14 | ootput | Nigel: isn't there also a sys-info utility for windows? |
| 10:45.18 | Nigel | sorry forgot about that little bit |
| 10:45.25 | Nigel | i'm using device manager atm ;) |
| 10:45.29 | Nigel | yeah msinfo |
| 10:45.36 | peterS | Nigel: here's one thing you can do: run regedit.exe then surf to the following key: |
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| 10:45.46 | peterS | Nigel: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Enum\PCI |
| 10:46.05 | ootput | scary |
| 10:46.08 | peterS | Nigel: that'll contain subkeys for each of your PCI devices, you can just tell me the VEN8086&DEVxxxx&..... for the IDE chip |
| 10:46.43 | peterS | Nigel: (I know the VEN will be 8086 - the DEVxxxx will let me nail down which kernel versions support it and which don't) |
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| 10:47.26 | peterS | Nigel: in other words I can tell you then whether the official sarge netinst CD will work for you or if you need something based on a newer kernel |
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| 10:48.16 | jetscreamer | peterS++ |
| 10:48.25 | jetscreamer | !peterS++ |
| 10:48.27 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 10:48.30 | peterS | jetscreamer: hey, I haven't actually answered his question *yet* |
| 10:48.45 | jetscreamer | yeah but that's a nice sneaky way to find info |
| 10:49.28 | peterS | jetscreamer: that little corner of the registry is the only way I know of to simulate 'lspci' on a windows box, without installing some third-party thing |
| 10:49.56 | peterS | jetscreamer: very handy when doing support in a channel such as this one (: |
| 10:50.09 | Nigel | peterS, right I found the Ultra ATA entry, and the magic number is: DEV_2653 |
| 10:50.28 | peterS | Nigel: SATA, huh? |
| 10:51.29 | Nigel | i also got one with DEV_266F |
| 10:51.33 | Nigel | yeah, sata |
| 10:51.51 | Nigel | I just got it on like the 29th Dec |
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| 10:52.05 | ootput | peterS: are you troubleshooting without a windows box? |
| 10:52.14 | peterS | ootput: I don't have a windows box |
| 10:52.31 | ootput | heh |
| 10:52.32 | dvm1981 | Hey everybody, i have a little question, how to from stable to testing |
| 10:52.38 | peterS | Nigel: ok so the 266F is old IDE, the 2653 is SATA. let me check kernel versions. which of these is your drive plugged into? |
| 10:52.52 | warhead | Hi to all, I have open port "645/tcp open unknown", how to close port 645? |
| 10:52.54 | ootput | dvm1981: apt's sources.lst |
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| 10:53.10 | Nigel | i'd say 2653.... because i was using /dev/sda... in whax |
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| 10:53.23 | Nigel | which is a sign of sata if i remember correct |
| 10:53.25 | dvm1981 | ootput : I have look at /etc/apt/source.liste and modify 'stable' with 'testing' |
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| 10:53.28 | ootput | warhead: netstat -tanp |
| 10:53.39 | nvz_ | man its 6am an I havent got shit to do |
| 10:53.45 | peterS | Nigel: so your disk is SATA. ok. it seems 2.6.8 does not support your SATA chip. I'm still double-checking this but that's what it appears |
| 10:53.55 | ootput | nvz_: try sleep |
| 10:54.05 | dvm1981 | ootput : Then 'apt-get update' then 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ? |
| 10:54.05 | Guerin | ootput: you must be new here. |
| 10:54.06 | Nigel | well i'm gonna end up on etch testing |
| 10:54.12 | Nigel | so i might give the new cds a go |
| 10:54.15 | warhead | ootput : aha 1735/rpc.statd |
| 10:54.19 | dvm1981 | ootput : It's all ? |
| 10:54.31 | peterS | Nigel: 2.6.8 *does* support your IDE chip (the 266F), but that does you little good if your disk is SATA. well, except that you can at least see your CDROM drive (: |
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| 10:54.32 | pitillo | what is the max transfer rate for udma133 got in hdparm? |
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| 10:54.43 | nvz_ | ootput: I've been sleeping for 15 hours I cant take it anymore |
| 10:54.45 | ootput | Guerin: for a while ;) I just haven't been as vocal |
| 10:54.46 | Nigel | yeah, thats what i'm experiencing |
| 10:54.57 | Guerin | pitillo: depends |
| 10:55.00 | warhead | ootput : I don't need rpc?...brbr.......my server is ftp server, and pure-ftpd is not depend of rpc? |
| 10:55.02 | peterS | Nigel: and yeah, 2.6.12 (which is I *think* what testing uses) knows about both chips |
| 10:55.14 | peterS | Nigel: but I guess you knew that since you already had some success with a 2.6.11 kernel (: |
| 10:55.17 | Nigel | so i just go and grab a new netinstall disk |
| 10:55.19 | Guerin | ootput: that was my oblique way of saying 'suggesting sleep to people in here is likely to get you laughed at' |
| 10:55.20 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg stable->testing 'used' to work |
| 10:55.25 | Nigel | peterS, naturally |
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| 10:55.38 | pitillo | Guerin, with all options to get the max transfer rate... |
| 10:55.48 | peterS | Nigel: good luck with the etch install CD. it oughta work but who knows |
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| 10:55.53 | jetscreamer | i know |
| 10:55.54 | enyc | Who understands anything about the backend tools for recording DVD iso images or has pointers to appropriate information? -- cdrecord = cd-only .... ;-) [thanks in advance] |
| 10:55.55 | Guerin | pitillo: there's no magic number. |
| 10:55.55 | jetscreamer | it functions |
| 10:55.59 | nvz_ | I slept about all I can. I need something else to do. |
| 10:56.09 | jetscreamer | you may or may not have to verify the cd in the menu |
| 10:56.19 | ootput | Guerin: you know, that's quite strange. Out of all the #dists, I'd figured that #debian would house the more mature + employed demographic. |
| 10:56.27 | Guerin | nvz: be offtopic in #debian! |
| 10:56.31 | jetscreamer | enyc: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 10:56.43 | ootput | and how much they value sleep ;) |
| 10:56.47 | Guerin | ootput: well, that don't make it not full of insomniacs |
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| 10:57.02 | nvz | I am employed.. and I dont have to be at work for 17 more hours |
| 10:57.14 | nvz | I slept 15 already |
| 10:57.16 | ootput | dvm1981: yeah |
| 10:57.18 | pitillo | Guerin, well, I thougth that maybe there is a max rate because I got no much difference with SATA |
| 10:57.21 | peterS | Nigel: possible hangup: the 'ata_piix' kernel module, which handles SATA, does not know about your IDE chip, only your SATA chip. so I hope it doesn't mind coexisting with the 'piix' module, which does IDE. since you need both, for your disk and your CDROM |
| 10:57.22 | Guerin | i'm employed ... and I don't have to be at work for another ... 6.5 days |
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| 10:57.25 | jetscreamer | dvd+rwtools or so i forget the name, enyc |
| 10:57.33 | liable | nvz: belt off? :P |
| 10:57.38 | Guerin | pitillo: it depends on a whole swag of things. |
| 10:57.40 | nvz | yeah well I got no money on top of it |
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| 10:57.55 | dvm1981 | ootput : Thankx triyng in a virtual Pc ;-) |
| 10:58.01 | terr | does anyonne know what /dev/shm is? |
| 10:58.06 | Guerin | as much as I have spent all year whining about this job, the payoff is coming in now |
| 10:58.16 | peterS | terr: yes. you can ignore it if you don't know what it is |
| 10:58.17 | jetscreamer | terr: used for tmp here |
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| 10:58.22 | pitillo | Guerin, what things? I can think that configuration is the best for both cases |
| 10:58.30 | peterS | terr: it's really intended to be an internal implementation detail of the libc6 posix shared memory functions |
| 10:58.32 | Guerin | i've got one week work scheduled between now and the end of the contract, 27 feb, and I'm on full pay the whole time |
| 10:58.34 | ootput | Guerin: a hot receptionist working for/under you? |
| 10:58.36 | dvm1981 | Really nice here '#Debian' ! |
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| 10:58.43 | dvm1981 | :-) |
| 10:58.44 | peterS | terr: although you *can* use it as a ramdisk of sorts, if you want to, but that's not really what it's for |
| 10:58.53 | terr | It has a funny date: June 2050. Says its filesystem tmpfs - but I didn't see it before |
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| 10:59.13 | peterS | June 2050 seems unlikely, since the world will end in 2038 |
| 10:59.13 | jetscreamer | well that's funny |
| 10:59.39 | jetscreamer | isn't 2038 the default end of the computer bios calendar or something |
| 10:59.46 | jetscreamer | that range |
| 10:59.46 | nvz | peterS: hmm so I am not going to make it to 60 eh? |
| 10:59.49 | terr | I take it I should not delete it? |
| 10:59.50 | dvm1981 | peters : lo |
| 10:59.51 | quad3datwork2 | how do i print out |
| 10:59.53 | EmleyMoor | Can anyone tell me how to contact nobse? I have found a minor bug in the firefox backport |
| 11:00.00 | peterS | jetscreamer: no, it's the end of the world for Unix machines that store time as a 31-bit number of seconds since the beginning of 1970 |
| 11:00.14 | Guerin | !hdparm |
| 11:00.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hdparm is the HD tuning tool. If your IDE drive seems sluggish, you should experiment with hdparm with the following options: unmasked irq (on), I/O support (3, 32bit w/sync), and multcount (16) and using dma (on), or read http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html, or apt-get install hdparm and RTFM :) |
| 11:00.17 | peterS | jetscreamer: that's when the seconds roll over to a negative number. some time in mid-January 2038, as I recall. |
| 11:00.22 | quad3datwork2 | how do i print out ' ( ) character when using print function inside awk? |
| 11:00.23 | Guerin | pitillo: ^^ that link above |
| 11:00.26 | peterS | jetscreamer: so just make sure you're using a 64-bit machine by then |
| 11:00.33 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 11:00.35 | pitillo | GuerI, got a transfer rate for udma133 and sata between 55 and 60 Mb/s, I think sata is faster than udma |
| 11:00.41 | nvz | peterS: or just adjust the epoch |
| 11:00.42 | Guerin | pitillo: be advised: it made exactly 0 difference for me, from default settings |
| 11:00.46 | jetscreamer | hopefully it wil be a 128 bit box by then or > |
| 11:00.49 | Nigel | ok, well goodnight guys |
| 11:01.00 | deadcat | what is "cdrecord: Drive does not support TAO recording."? i am using gcombust to burn a .avi file as data |
| 11:01.04 | terr | damn - by then we'll all be borg and this will cause a memory reset |
| 11:01.05 | peterS | jetscreamer: oh, and don't use ext3 in 2038, dates on your ext3 filesystem will roll over too |
| 11:01.09 | jetscreamer | track at once |
| 11:01.11 | Nigel | thanks a lot peterS, i'll come after you with a hot bread knife if it doesn't work |
| 11:01.21 | ootput | it really depends on the chipset in later boards |
| 11:01.21 | jetscreamer | tao < dao < sao |
| 11:01.28 | Guerin | deadcat: it means that your Drive does not support TAO recording. |
| 11:01.29 | peterS | deadcat: TAO is 'track-at-once' mode. as opposed to 'SAO' (session-at-once) and 'DAO' (disk-at-once) |
| 11:01.34 | pitillo | Guerin, thanks, I?ll read it to know more about this... |
| 11:01.47 | peterS | Nigel: w00t, I like hot bread knives, especially if they come with hot bread impaled on them |
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| 11:01.59 | deadcat | Guerin: it worked before (i reinstalled) |
| 11:02.10 | Guerin | deadcat: clearly it doesn't now. |
| 11:02.14 | jetscreamer | i bail when your grey brother returns |
| 11:02.28 | ootput | whose? |
| 11:02.32 | jetscreamer | shhh |
| 11:02.33 | peterS | ootput: deadcat's |
| 11:02.37 | jetscreamer | shhhhhhhhh |
| 11:02.45 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 11:02.45 | liable | he wont.. |
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| 11:02.46 | jm_ | deadcat: cdrecord has had a warning that default burning method may change in the future |
| 11:02.49 | Guerin | nosir |
| 11:02.50 | peterS | hey I'm not highlighting Gr*g |
| 11:02.56 | Guerin | the grey one is gone daddy gone |
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| 11:03.03 | deadcat | jm_: not warmning. it wont let me burn |
| 11:03.37 | peterS | deadcat: at the command line try 'cdrecord -atip' to get some info on what your drive claims to support (the "Supported modes:" line) |
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| 11:03.49 | Skrotto | Is xlibs-dev out of debian? |
| 11:03.50 | jm_ | deadcat: yes, I'm just saying it might have changed and your burner doesn't support it |
| 11:03.55 | peterS | deadcat: well, 'cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom -atip' anyway |
| 11:04.02 | peterS | Skrotto: it's out of unstable |
| 11:04.07 | dvm1981 | I use Xchat, it's possible to activate sound when he talk for my ? |
| 11:04.11 | peterS | Skrotto: it's still in stable and testing |
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| 11:04.24 | Skrotto | peterS: Why? And for how long? |
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| 11:04.33 | deadcat | peterS: cdrecord: Operation not permitted. Cannot send SCSI cmd via ioctl |
| 11:04.39 | jetscreamer | dvm1981: you'll probably have to expound on that |
| 11:04.45 | jetscreamer | deadcat: maybe as root |
| 11:04.47 | peterS | Skrotto: permanently. read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00003.html |
| 11:05.20 | peterS | Skrotto: as for why: because it's not needed. you should use libx11-dev, libxt-dev, etc., instead |
| 11:05.25 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer : Sorry i not understand |
| 11:05.27 | deadcat | peterS: Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P RAW/R96R |
| 11:05.31 | Skrotto | peterS: okay |
| 11:05.37 | peterS | deadcat: guess it was wrong about TAO not being supported |
| 11:05.41 | jetscreamer | dvm1981: i meant you need to explain that further it made no sense |
| 11:05.42 | ootput | dvm1981: you want to disable sound on which event? |
| 11:05.43 | deadcat | peterS: maybe its gcombust? since its still gtk1 |
| 11:05.53 | jetscreamer | to me at least |
| 11:05.53 | dvm1981 | Sorry |
| 11:05.57 | peterS | deadcat: I don't see what gtk1 has to do with anything, but sure, it could be the frontend tool |
| 11:06.11 | Guerin | deadcat: because what toolkit it's written in is of the greatest importance to how it interfaces with a cli program. |
| 11:06.17 | jetscreamer | deadcat: k3b seems to function well if that helps |
| 11:06.22 | deadcat | peterS: maybe cdrecord changed some stuff and this pkg hasnt been updated it years |
| 11:06.40 | dvm1981 | I would like to activate the sound in 'Xchat' because i do another thing on the same time, and when someone ask for me some sound bell |
| 11:06.42 | peterS | deadcat: quite possibly. in which case I guess the fact that it's gtk1 is another symptom of the same basic cause (: |
| 11:06.46 | dvm1981 | Clear ? |
| 11:07.02 | jetscreamer | yeah more clear |
| 11:07.12 | jetscreamer | it's in the preferences for xchat |
| 11:07.15 | dvm1981 | So When text is red = play some sounds |
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| 11:08.00 | Guerin | dvm1981: #xchat |
| 11:08.02 | liable | yay, evo is deleting my trash at random. |
| 11:08.12 | nvz | must still be sunday somewhere in the world |
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| 11:08.21 | ootput | september's over |
| 11:08.43 | peterS | nvz: for another hour or so, yeah, but I'm not sure who in the middle of the western pacific ocean has internet access |
| 11:08.45 | dvm1981 | Guerin : like /join #debian ?? |
| 11:08.49 | jetscreamer | i'd try channel action highlight first, if it was me, dvm1981 but i'm not positive |
| 11:08.54 | Guerin | dvm1981: /join #xchat |
| 11:08.56 | ootput | the whalers might |
| 11:09.04 | ootput | or the activists |
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| 11:09.08 | nvz | peterS: japanese sailors? |
| 11:09.08 | peterS | hehe |
| 11:09.23 | peterS | nvz: perhaps. they'd have to be quite a few miles east of japan though |
| 11:09.34 | deadcat | i am gonna give gcdw a try again |
| 11:09.35 | dvm1981 | Guerin : It's another channel ? |
| 11:09.45 | jetscreamer | #xchat is yes |
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| 11:09.53 | ootput | peterS: did you hear about the collision not to long ago? |
| 11:09.56 | nvz | oh well. I got to figure out what I am going to do today. I've got nothing. |
| 11:10.07 | peterS | ootput: no |
| 11:10.08 | ootput | somewhere over the antarctic |
| 11:10.13 | ootput | *too |
| 11:10.41 | terr | hmm nucleaar reeactor is gooing up in Europe |
| 11:10.45 | peterS | nvz: hrrm, according to google maps the timezone where it's still Sunday is somewhat west of hawaii but still kind of in the middle of the pacific. I don't see any other islands of note there |
| 11:11.01 | terr | Fuuji |
| 11:11.05 | liable | terr: ?? blowing up?? |
| 11:11.07 | terr | iji |
| 11:11.13 | nvz | I could always go sit in the library and be bored.. but that doesnt sound even remotly interesting right now.. plus they arent open yet |
| 11:11.14 | terr | figi |
| 11:11.21 | ootput | terr: almost |
| 11:11.23 | dvm1981 | FOUND : In the menu Sttings / Prefference then in subsection of sound, there whe can setup sounds and bells. :-) |
| 11:11.31 | dvm1981 | Settings |
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| 11:11.35 | terr | liable: not htat I know of. |
| 11:11.39 | ootput | nvz: nothing like solitaire and some liquor |
| 11:11.52 | omry|work | can anyone suggest a type to be used server (a raided pair)? |
| 11:11.58 | nvz | solitaire is boring and I have no liquor or money |
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| 11:12.13 | vl_h | debian sarge I have to mkdir /media/cdrom0 as root each time I load it to see a cd from gnome. Where to apply hands to? |
| 11:12.15 | nvz | besides getting drunk at 6am after 15 hours of sleep probably isnt a good idea |
| 11:12.20 | omry|work | can anyone suggest a type of HD to be used server (a raided pair)? |
| 11:12.36 | ootput | cheapest solution would be WD Raptor 36gs |
| 11:12.43 | dvm1981 | On my filesystem, where are stored samples audio ? Thankx |
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| 11:12.55 | omry|work | ootput, and on the 200 gb range? |
| 11:13.09 | ootput | 1+0 |
| 11:13.19 | omry|work | 1+0? |
| 11:13.38 | ootput | it really depends on how much you want to spend |
| 11:13.40 | peterS | hmm, it's still Sunday in Tonga and in W. Samoa / American Samoa. |
| 11:14.01 | peterS | but not in Fiji, it's almost Tuesday there |
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| 11:14.14 | ootput | omry|work: http://www.ofb.net/~jheiss/raid10/ (and yes, it's not a pair ;) |
| 11:14.27 | deadcat | gcombust doesnt require me to "create image" then "write data cd", just click burn. with gcdw. i have to click a then b... i think |
| 11:14.38 | jetscreamer | k3b |
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| 11:15.57 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 11:16.00 | jetscreamer | i got a wd 200gb hd for 100-50 dollar rebate=50 total |
| 11:16.02 | Shadowcat | k3b is broken in sid |
| 11:16.03 | Shadowcat | again |
| 11:16.19 | Shadowcat | well... not exactly broken, but kde 3.5 throws out k3b at the moment |
| 11:16.23 | jetscreamer | i haven't used it today so i'll have to take your word |
| 11:16.25 | omry|work | ootput, its for a server for a small company, should be resonable reliable (given that I have raid fallback) |
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| 11:16.48 | bobbens | Shadowcat: i've always heard that kde / gnome have a lot of problems in SID |
| 11:17.02 | Shadowcat | bobbens: no problems |
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| 11:17.16 | omry|work | jetscreamer, I have a 200gb, wd, just failed on me at home. another maxtor 200 gb, sata failed a month ago. these 200gb sata fall like flies. |
| 11:17.29 | Shadowcat | but the packages change faster than bacteria can procreate |
| 11:17.36 | gregj | how can I make apt-get always use -V option, but without actually need to type it everytime ? |
| 11:17.42 | jetscreamer | i avoid maxtor as much as i can |
| 11:17.47 | gregj | like some sort of config option |
| 11:17.53 | jetscreamer | alias it in .bashrc is one way |
| 11:17.59 | dvm1981 | I have installed Debian from the 14 CD ROMS, i see here in the /etc/apt/source.list that there are 14 lines for these CD's with noted as 'unstable'. It's an unstable installation ? |
| 11:18.00 | ootput | omry|work: would you consider scsi? |
| 11:18.08 | jetscreamer | toshiba has made my hd shitlist also |
| 11:18.09 | bibe | Shadowcat : since kde is a metapackage that includes most of kde-related packages, a single broken package is likely to break kde, too |
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| 11:18.27 | vl_h | I love you, but:Debian Sarge 2.6.8-2-386 what or who deletes /media/cdrom0 each boot on? |
| 11:18.34 | jetscreamer | dvm1981: omg dude, think netinstall |
| 11:18.45 | Shadowcat | bibe: no, it doesn't work that way |
| 11:18.48 | jetscreamer | i do but not on each boot... only once |
| 11:18.56 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer : yes |
| 11:18.59 | dvm1981 | im a tester |
| 11:19.00 | omry|work | ootput, I am, will have to compromize on the size though. |
| 11:19.07 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 11:19.32 | jetscreamer | yes unstable == sid , dvm1981 |
| 11:19.35 | peterS | doh I need to be up in another 2 hours and 17 minutes |
| 11:19.35 | ootput | dvm1981: you're still able to use netinstall in VirtualPC |
| 11:19.41 | liable | dvm1981: no, even the sarge ones say that. where did you get em though? |
| 11:19.44 | Shadowcat | it all depends on what individual package breaks |
| 11:19.47 | dvm1981 | i have do netinstll severals times, it's to spare bandwith because i test [the best ;-)]stuff |
| 11:19.56 | Shadowcat | if kicker breaks, you're fucked |
| 11:20.07 | ootput | peterS: i guess you're up early, then |
| 11:20.09 | Shadowcat | if say juk breaks, you're just inconvenienced |
| 11:20.29 | peterS | ootput: sadly, I'm actually up late. guess I'll be kind of drowsy tomorrow |
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| 11:20.36 | omry|work | ootput, are scsi much more reliable than SATA or ATA? |
| 11:20.54 | dvm1981 | liable : I have download these 14 CD i time ago. i do not where it from, the Internet ?? |
| 11:20.57 | ootput | i'm not too sure about the newer model SATA's |
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| 11:21.05 | valdyn | omry|work: not per se |
| 11:21.37 | vl_h | I guess I have to mkdir /media/cdrom0 on a startup script |
| 11:21.40 | omry|work | valdyn, I just have a shitty experience with SATA, two out of three died on me. (WD and Maxtor) |
| 11:21.55 | liable | dvm1981: do they say sarge though (in sources list) and no, internet isnt a good answer... |
| 11:22.01 | dvm1981 | Netinstll is really nice i know, i have use that a whille, but for not wipe out the window, i use the !$ cd's to test somethings in virtual PC's, |
| 11:22.04 | valdyn | omry|work: bad luck |
| 11:22.13 | valdyn | omry|work: or a constantly overheated case |
| 11:22.15 | jetscreamer | dvm1981: #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 20051231 _Sid_ - fsn.hu unofficial i386 Binary-1 (20051231)]/ sid contrib main <--- that is a sid cd |
| 11:22.31 | omry|work | valdyn, would you use raided SATA for a server? |
| 11:22.33 | ootput | omry|work: I guess that Western Digital's Caviar line with SATA interfaces is reliable with a MTBF of a million hours |
| 11:22.53 | valdyn | omry|work: sure, if i dont need the scsi typical better access times |
| 11:22.58 | liable | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)]/ unstable contrib main sarge |
| 11:23.18 | jetscreamer | and that is a sarge cd using sid? |
| 11:23.19 | ootput | but yes, you should consider read/writes |
| 11:23.23 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer : i have there an word 'unstable' ?? I have not set these word there, i have found that because i would like to go to testing |
| 11:23.31 | omry|work | ootput, Caviar, you say? I`ll look at it. thanks. |
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| 11:23.40 | liable | jetscreamer: nup, sarge cd, they all say it. (weird eh?) |
| 11:23.46 | jetscreamer | dvm1981: it's the last stuff in the line that matters as to which flavor of debian |
| 11:24.07 | dvm1981 | Liable : no there is a word 'unstable'. |
| 11:24.14 | jetscreamer | unstable contrib main or sid contrib main |
| 11:24.26 | jetscreamer | if it's just in the cd's label, no biggie |
| 11:24.27 | liable | dvm1981: no, its sarge (believe me) |
| 11:24.51 | ootput | omry|work: but of the non-scsis, i'd still recommend WD raptors |
| 11:24.56 | dvm1981 | Ok |
| 11:25.06 | terr | I've been having probs using tar to write to a tape: /dev/st0 So I'm wriitng this to disk and I want to use dd to write the file to tappe - does anyone know the exact command? Its been so long since I've done it I forget. |
| 11:25.26 | dvm1981 | I have think that i have some troubles, continuing to try to go from 'Sarge' to testing> |
| 11:25.27 | jetscreamer | terr: man tar has examples or writing to tape, all i know |
| 11:26.00 | terr | jetscreamer: I had to change it. I keep getting device errors. The job keeps bombing off. |
| 11:26.14 | terr | last time - it didn't log anything in /var/messages |
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| 11:26.23 | ootput | peterS: get some rest, mate |
| 11:26.39 | jetscreamer | dvm1981: if you have sarge cd's you'll probably need to comment out the cd's and put in a net source... or use apt-cdrom to set up new cd's |
| 11:26.55 | peterS | ootput: that's the plan, thanks |
| 11:27.25 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer : Thanks for the tip, it's done :-) |
| 11:27.26 | valdyn | terr: why should dd work better than tar? |
| 11:27.40 | omry|work | ootput, better speed, but is it more reliable? |
| 11:27.40 | bibe | !tell francesko -about simple sid backport |
| 11:28.00 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer : Also make a note (apt-cdrom) |
| 11:28.04 | terr | valdyn: I'm gonna try it. I don't knwo why the tar job bombs off. It'll bomb off and say fatal error if the tape is a little slow loading. |
| 11:28.06 | dvm1981 | thankx |
| 11:28.18 | ootput | omry|work: those are the only enterprise level S-ATAs that I trust |
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| 11:28.36 | ootput | omry|work: http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/index.asp?cat=2 |
| 11:29.03 | terr | valdyn: I sometimes get sense erors but the make no sense and they are random - looks like the driver doesn't retry. |
| 11:29.19 | terr | sometimes craps out quickly = sometimes runs for hours |
| 11:29.25 | dvm1981 | Anoterh |
| 11:29.25 | terr | same damn tape too. |
| 11:29.32 | omry|work | ootput, and they work well with linux, of course? :) |
| 11:30.19 | ootput | omry|work: superbly |
| 11:30.37 | ootput | omry|work: although raid arrays would depend entirely on your controller |
| 11:30.49 | dvm1981 | Another question :-) In '/etc/apt/source.list' The 14 lines for these CD ROMs, can i set the 'non-free' after this line, or only for downloading extra packages ? |
| 11:31.00 | jetscreamer | yes you can set non-free |
| 11:31.06 | jetscreamer | see my paste above |
| 11:31.16 | liable | dvm1981: no, and no. non-free is no more. |
| 11:31.22 | llama32 | mmmmm, crayons |
| 11:31.22 | jetscreamer | and contrib |
| 11:31.26 | liable | err. |
| 11:31.36 | jetscreamer | non-free is, but not as much |
| 11:31.36 | dvm1981 | ok, Thinking about |
| 11:31.40 | liable | sorry, brainfart, (think non-us) |
| 11:31.47 | dvm1981 | how non-free can are on the CD ROM |
| 11:31.48 | ootput | foul |
| 11:31.49 | dvm1981 | ?? |
| 11:31.53 | jetscreamer | me too |
| 11:31.56 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 11:32.20 | EmleyMoor | Some "non-free" may not have conditions prohibiting distribution on CD |
| 11:32.32 | jetscreamer | (i was thinking non-us to the answer of your non-us/non-free statement) |
| 11:32.35 | dvm1981 | Oh Oh, im confussed, it's possible or not, i ... :-$ |
| 11:32.38 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 11:32.43 | jetscreamer | it is possible |
| 11:32.48 | ootput | omry|work: i'll be back in a little while. have fun deciding ;) |
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| 11:32.58 | dvm1981 | Ok Thankx :-) |
| 11:33.11 | dvm1981 | Really Thankx :-) |
| 11:33.23 | jetscreamer | oh |
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| 11:33.28 | dvm1981 | Pressing on the button ... and go |
| 11:33.32 | int_21h | "brb" |
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| 11:34.20 | omry|work | ootput, thanks :) |
| 11:34.27 | jetscreamer | you 'may' need to use apt-cdrom to set up the cd's for non-free.... all i know is once, i commented out the cdrom entry, did and apt-get update.. and later tried to uncomment it... but apt didn't like it wanted me to use the apt-cdrom script again |
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| 11:35.09 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer : thanks for the tip |
| 11:35.42 | dvm1981 | ppff, RE RE troubles with my network in my virtual PC what goes wrong now ?? |
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| 11:35.58 | dvm1981 | Use the bad stuff !!! |
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| 11:36.33 | moret | hi all! |
| 11:36.34 | terr | does annyone know how to make tar recurse the directories inalphabettical ordder? |
| 11:36.51 | jetscreamer | hey dvm1981 i'd be thinking 2 dvds instead of 14 cdroms :) |
| 11:36.59 | dvm1981 | Okay, whem i have more time, i switche to my lovely 'qemu', I have not so mush troubles with it |
| 11:37.10 | moret | I want to know where I can find the packages build rules of Debian? |
| 11:37.12 | azeem | terr: why do you need that? |
| 11:37.35 | azeem | moret: they are in each source package, in the debian/ directory, the rules file |
| 11:37.40 | terr | azeem: so I knoww how far the job gets |
| 11:37.50 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer : yes, I have 5, 6 machines here and one have a DVD ROM, so i must to like these !$ cd ;-) |
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| 11:37.59 | moret | azeem: in orig pkg? |
| 11:38.00 | azeem | terr: well, did you check the manpage |
| 11:38.00 | azeem | ? |
| 11:38.08 | azeem | moret: no, in the .diff.gz |
| 11:38.08 | moret | or deb-src package? |
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| 11:38.14 | terr | azeem - I have no idea why it runs in that krazy order. |
| 11:38.20 | terr | I didn't see anything |
| 11:38.31 | azeem | terr: it runs in the order the file system returns the entries I guess |
| 11:38.31 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer : really thankx to suggest THE thing that i have needed ;-) |
| 11:38.47 | azeem | which is not necessarily alphabetical |
| 11:39.03 | terr | azeem: why wwouldn't the file syystem return the same order is ls shows? |
| 11:39.28 | dvm1981 | Hacking these xxxx comercial shit software to try to use my network in my virtual PC, i would like to go from Sarge to Testing... |
| 11:39.35 | azeem | terr: because ls sorts? |
| 11:39.45 | ootput | fantastic. 22:39 on the 9th, and the idiots next door are still lighting fireworks |
| 11:39.52 | dvm1981 | Pay so mush to have buggys |
| 11:39.58 | moret | azeem: but I want rules file |
| 11:40.05 | terr | azeem - it woudl be pretty trivial for tar to sort too.. |
| 11:40.08 | azeem | terr: ls -U returns the listing unsorted |
| 11:40.14 | moret | azeem: rules, prerm, control... |
| 11:40.15 | dvm1981 | How how how,,, Santa Clause has just go one ... Snik |
| 11:40.23 | azeem | terr: but that would mean more disk access |
| 11:40.25 | valdyn | terr: tar can take lists of the files to archive, find / sort can list files and sort them |
| 11:40.33 | jetscreamer | !tell dvm1981 about stable->testing |
| 11:40.36 | azeem | moret: the debian/rules file is generally in the .diff.gz |
| 11:40.37 | terr | azeem - let me check that - I can probablyy compare that way thhen |
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| 11:41.15 | terr | valdyn: I'll have to rethink these backups. |
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| 11:41.49 | jetscreamer | but i'm anal |
| 11:42.16 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer : Yes yes, you have really help me for my migration, really thankx, now i would like to test this, bust my software,... My VMWare work not so good sinds some days, Go to 'Qemu' with less troubles !!! |
| 11:42.24 | dvm1981 | ;-) |
| 11:43.38 | Jake_ | argh there goes my simple install... i forgot about raid!! >_< |
| 11:44.28 | dvm1981 | Hey, i have another window here 'dpkg' (and would not say as a stupid man) but whas that, he give me goods tips here ... |
| 11:44.36 | EmleyMoor | Anyone know how to contact nobse? I have found an annoyance in firefox 1.5 from backports.org |
| 11:44.50 | dvm1981 | Im newbie here on the FreeNode, ... |
| 11:45.00 | dvm1981 | And i like it .... :-) |
| 11:45.06 | _rene_ | EmleyMoor: email? :) |
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| 11:45.52 | dvm1981 | OK, understanding, i have not see that someone talk to me... Stupid man im :-( |
| 11:45.57 | EmleyMoor | _rene_: can't find address |
| 11:46.25 | _rene_ | www.backports.org -> Feedback: shows nobse@debian.org. tadaa ;) |
| 11:46.36 | EmleyMoor | Ah... |
| 11:46.41 | _rene_ | EmleyMoor: come on, a bit thinking could be done, couldn't it... |
| 11:46.45 | bibe | EmleyMoor : 'grep -r nobse /usr/share/doc/firefox*/' |
| 11:47.08 | dvm1981 | dpkg : thankx for you're help, i have not see, or understand that a new window was opening on the bottom |
| 11:47.08 | dpkg | dvm1981: sure thing |
| 11:47.24 | phuxm | ~ |
| 11:47.26 | EmleyMoor | _rene_: Indeed - how did I miss that? |
| 11:47.46 | EmleyMoor | dpkg is our very helpful bot |
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| 11:48.10 | dvm1981 | Testing 'Xchat' and 'FreeNode'. Thankx to everybody that acept some bugy thing of my |
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| 11:50.02 | Jake_ | too install debian sarge onto this machine that has raid, do i need to use a different boot cd? and then install manually??? |
| 11:50.33 | dvm1981 | Yest thankx to 'dpkg' |
| 11:50.48 | bibe | Jake_ : no need for another CD. Just be sure the installer finds your RAID controller |
| 11:50.51 | dvm1981 | im slow, but hoppe do the things sure ... |
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| 11:51.05 | Jake_ | bibe, it didnt find it :( |
| 11:52.08 | jetscreamer | Jake_: i 'seem' to remember some setting for raid ... hit f2-10 on_boot of cd |
| 11:52.22 | dvm1981 | EleyMoor : is dpkg a computer or admin ? |
| 11:52.25 | jetscreamer | bot |
| 11:52.29 | NOthsouth | Hello, I just install gnome, kde and x-window-system-core but I have no desktop and startbar, icons, etc |
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| 11:52.43 | Jake_ | jetscreamer, thank you (this is my first debian journey) thanks |
| 11:52.50 | dvm1981 | Looking for the word 'bot' > dict bot |
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| 11:52.52 | moret | azeem: so, how can I see the command and process done in order to build a package? |
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| 11:52.55 | moret | at diff? |
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| 11:53.02 | jetscreamer | apt-get install x-window-system NOthsouth |
| 11:53.25 | jetscreamer | dvm1981: kinda short for robot |
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| 11:54.03 | dvm1981 | jetscreamer : just say that dict not helping me, but YOU are there :-) |
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| 11:54.14 | dvm1981 | Now i wish |
| 11:54.20 | NOthsouth | jetscreamer, I already install it too |
| 11:54.21 | jetscreamer | try the urban dict next time maybe |
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| 11:54.44 | jetscreamer | hmmm... then try dpkg-reconfigure kdm, or apt-get install kdm |
| 11:54.48 | NOthsouth | hum.. but I don't reboot.. i need reboot the X, or the computer ? |
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| 11:55.17 | jetscreamer | you shouldn't have to reboot unless you upgrade like libc6 or something |
| 11:55.20 | sifi-x | should I use Sarge or Etch as desktop? |
| 11:55.26 | jetscreamer | etch imo ymmv |
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| 11:55.42 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/?dm restart NOthsouth |
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| 11:56.26 | sifi-x | jetscreamer, should I allways use testing distros as desktops? |
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| 11:57.50 | jetscreamer | sifi-x: probably not |
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| 11:57.55 | jetscreamer | your call |
| 11:58.07 | jetscreamer | me, i would use etch for a desktop |
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| 11:58.14 | ootput | sifi-x: it depends on how well tested the 'testing' is on a particular distro |
| 11:58.35 | sifi-x | ootput, if it has been out for a year |
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| 11:58.49 | jetscreamer | like i said... your call |
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| 11:58.55 | jetscreamer | <S>treuner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:59.14 | ootput | it appears both your 1 + capslock key are jammed |
| 11:59.18 | beginer | how cand i change default value of ip_conntrack_max |
| 11:59.20 | Malagmyr | Unless you really require what's in testing, don't use it. Use stable. If you don't know if you should use testing or not, you probably shouldn't. |
| 11:59.23 | ekix | hi again. promise sataii150 tx2+ and sataii150 tx4 seem not to be supported w/ sarge installer (2.6 kernel), can anybody confirm this? :) |
| 11:59.44 | jetscreamer | yes, but appearances, as we all know, can be decieving (smith) |
| 11:59.48 | jetscreamer | ei? |
| 11:59.59 | ootput | boo |
| 12:00.59 | jetscreamer | :) i just rewatched al 3 a couple days ago |
| 12:01.03 | jetscreamer | all |
| 12:01.08 | TBBle | ekix: I had _some_ sata controller (in a ibm zseries) not recognised by the 2.6 kernel on the netinst CD myself. Ended up installing 2.4 and upgrading, but the raid1 made that process incredibly painful (device names changed underneath) so I'd _suggest_ _maybe_ looking at a more recent d-i build... |
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| 12:01.46 | ekix | TBBle, thanks |
| 12:01.48 | streuner | jetscreamer: hi |
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| 12:02.18 | sylvisj | This is a stupid question, but am I gonna need to set up a firewall? |
| 12:02.38 | jetscreamer | depends if you're already behind one? |
| 12:02.48 | sylvisj | Nope |
| 12:02.53 | jetscreamer | for a real easy one, apt-get install lokkit |
| 12:03.01 | sylvisj | Will it get the job done? |
| 12:03.11 | jetscreamer | then learn more and install other more complex things.. yes it will |
| 12:03.25 | sylvisj | Awesome... kinda feel naked without ZoneAlarm |
| 12:03.42 | jetscreamer | dont let gnome-lokkit install |
| 12:03.43 | dings | Any program that allowes me to convert mp3 to mpeg-2 or something to allow be to make an audio-dvd |
| 12:03.50 | jetscreamer | or you'll get lots of dependencies |
| 12:03.58 | sylvisj | yeah, I'm in lokkit now |
| 12:04.04 | sylvisj | I usually don't use gui things |
| 12:04.11 | jetscreamer | dings: lots of those on marillat |
| 12:04.20 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg marillat |
| 12:04.32 | dings | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 12:04.49 | sylvisj | Hmm... I guess my only ethernet connection would be a trusted device? |
| 12:05.09 | jetscreamer | i just hit high security |
| 12:05.38 | sylvisj | :P Well, I could do thta, and set it medium when gaming |
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| 12:05.58 | jetscreamer | yes i found that medium was needed to kill ppl online |
| 12:06.01 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 12:07.34 | sylvisj | :P |
| 12:07.48 | sylvisj | Yeah, that incoming connection is slightly required |
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| 12:08.01 | sylvisj | I'd probably better start the americas army download before I go to school |
| 12:08.16 | jelly | sylvisj: hey, weren't you the guy with the wine build yesterday? |
| 12:08.23 | sylvisj | Yeah |
| 12:08.26 | sylvisj | It kinda died on me. |
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| 12:08.32 | omry|work | ootput, decided on a pair of WD2500SD |
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| 12:08.45 | jelly | Eh, thought it would. |
| 12:09.00 | sylvisj | :s Gonna try backporting wine 0.9.5 later |
| 12:09.11 | sylvisj | The dude helping me had me try some.. weird... stuff for it |
| 12:09.28 | jelly | sylvisj: that was me on the other nick. ;-) |
| 12:10.00 | sylvisj | :P You had me try some... weird... stuff |
| 12:10.08 | sylvisj | My getting of testing libs worked |
| 12:10.09 | jelly | sylvisj: I have my clean-sarge build of 0.9.5, wanna try? ;-) |
| 12:10.11 | sylvisj | until I rebooted |
| 12:10.18 | sylvisj | sure |
| 12:10.23 | jetscreamer | oh NOthsouth you probably were in twm.. click the hatch marks |
| 12:10.28 | jetscreamer | hold the buttons |
| 12:10.39 | jetscreamer | click anywhere i mean |
| 12:10.42 | sylvisj | :S Wonder if I can get my mouse wheel to work. and mouse side buttons. |
| 12:10.48 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 12:11.08 | sylvisj | How? |
| 12:11.17 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, choose the... hmm... something with explorer in it i think.. dpkg has a factoid |
| 12:11.50 | Guerin | explorerps/2 |
| 12:11.57 | Guerin | or imps/2 |
| 12:11.58 | sylvisj | Ty |
| 12:12.01 | NOthsouth | jetscreamer, hum, i still no t try the reboot, i can't reboot the X right know...hehehe lol |
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| 12:12.03 | sylvisj | I'll tyr it |
| 12:12.23 | jelly | sylvisj: deb http://jurina.srce.hr/~jelly/ ./ |
| 12:12.45 | jelly | sylvisj: never got to trying it myself... |
| 12:12.54 | jetscreamer | dpkg's intellimouse factoid has a bum link |
| 12:13.03 | sylvisj | Alrighty |
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| 12:13.14 | bbrazil | jetscreamer: you could fix it |
| 12:13.33 | pitillo | sylvisj, do you know about true combat? I prefer it face of americas army |
| 12:13.45 | sylvisj | Haven't heard of it, actually |
| 12:13.46 | jetscreamer | tc rox |
| 12:13.55 | jetscreamer | it's a q3 total conversion |
| 12:13.59 | jetscreamer | aka mod |
| 12:14.04 | olczyk | I'm here collecting opinions, what do you think the best run level/startup script manager is? |
| 12:14.05 | jetscreamer | but > mod |
| 12:14.07 | sylvisj | :) Don't have Q3 |
| 12:14.17 | jetscreamer | q3 is open source now |
| 12:14.19 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 12:14.24 | Guerin | olczyk: you're in debian, so you'll get lots of people saying 'the one in debian' |
| 12:14.30 | sylvisj | Awesome |
| 12:14.33 | sylvisj | I'll have to go download it |
| 12:14.42 | Guerin | olczyk: and /msg dpkg polls |
| 12:14.51 | sylvisj | jelly: Umm... package name of wine, by any chance? |
| 12:14.54 | jetscreamer | et is available also |
| 12:14.55 | jetscreamer | wine |
| 12:15.04 | jelly | sylvisj: wine ;-) |
| 12:15.19 | jelly | oh you mean deb http://jurina.srce.hr/~jelly/ ./ |
| 12:15.27 | sylvisj | Yeah, is the package in there named wine? |
| 12:15.29 | jelly | shit |
| 12:15.32 | jelly | wine_0.9.5-winehq-1_i386.deb |
| 12:15.45 | jetscreamer | just apt-get install wine |
| 12:16.01 | jetscreamer | oh.. nm |
| 12:16.02 | sylvisj | jetscreamer: that'd probably leave me with 0.9.1, which is broken in many ways |
| 12:16.11 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 12:16.15 | sylvisj | :P |
| 12:16.21 | EmleyMoor | Those packages are for testing/unstable only but a good idea |
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| 12:17.05 | sylvisj | :P Jelly, just browsing it w/ mozilla |
| 12:17.05 | jelly | sylvisj: if you my the junk above in sources.list (blindly believing me I'm not selling some malware), you can just apt-get install wine. |
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| 12:17.41 | jelly | sylvisj: oh, there's some other junk there. Just pick the *wine*deb files ;-) |
| 12:17.45 | sylvisj | Yeah, but wine is already avail from about 3 other sources, two of which are mirrors |
| 12:17.49 | sylvisj | Yeah, I know. |
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| 12:18.07 | iturk | hello there |
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| 12:18.33 | jelly | sylvisj: Remove the winehq deb lines. Then this one should be the newest. |
| 12:18.36 | sylvisj | Wine's transfer is gonna take a while, but the other three parts are done |
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| 12:19.06 | TBBle | What's the advantage of these over the 0.9.5 release on sourceforge? |
| 12:19.24 | jelly | sarge backport. |
| 12:19.30 | sylvisj | ... not using etch... |
| 12:19.34 | jelly | a real quick and dirty one. |
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| 12:19.49 | TBBle | Ah. |
| 12:19.51 | EmleyMoor | I do my own compile at present |
| 12:19.51 | iturk | i trying to install qtparted but during make it request for unsermake but i am not using kde and from here -> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=unsermake it seems that i have to install many things to put it working |
| 12:20.20 | iturk | there is any alternative to qtparted that works with reiserfs and ext3 and permits redimension ? |
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| 12:20.55 | sylvisj | Time to install these.. |
| 12:21.01 | alekandr | iturk: fdisk and cfdisk :] |
| 12:21.13 | iturk | what is the best |
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| 12:21.23 | iturk | like more simple |
| 12:21.27 | alekandr | fdisk |
| 12:21.30 | iturk | like partion magic |
| 12:21.31 | jelly | The German (I think) commercial Partition Manager thing does reiserfs, I think. |
| 12:21.52 | sylvisj | Not installing, jelly |
| 12:21.56 | sylvisj | The dependancies :( |
| 12:21.58 | sylvisj | Same as yesterday |
| 12:22.16 | jelly | sylvisj: Yah, how you have to go back to stable. <shrug> |
| 12:22.19 | iturk | i will try fdisk |
| 12:22.21 | jelly | s/how/now/ |
| 12:22.29 | sylvisj | I already did :P |
| 12:22.36 | terr | now why would tar say there is 5931110400 Bytes written and ls -al shows 4933174398 ??? |
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| 12:22.57 | sylvisj | tar is saying decompressed? |
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| 12:23.04 | EmleyMoor | terr: compression? |
| 12:23.10 | iturk | but fdisk is a command line program i like one with GUI |
| 12:23.20 | wedge | iturk: cfdisk |
| 12:23.23 | terr | perhaps... but then these are not bytes written - they are byte read |
| 12:23.38 | alekandr | iturk: cfdisk then :] |
| 12:23.49 | EmleyMoor | terr: is the file compressed? |
| 12:23.56 | jetscreamer | iturk: cfdisk like alekandr said |
| 12:23.57 | jelly | sylvisj: I'm installing my build on an unstable machine now. |
| 12:24.06 | sylvisj | Alrighty |
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| 12:24.13 | sylvisj | I'm gonna try and do my own backport after school |
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| 12:24.19 | terr | EmleyMoor: I did compress it - yes. |
| 12:24.30 | iturk | maximize should be for resising it says for experts only |
| 12:24.40 | iturk | ? |
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| 12:24.51 | EmleyMoor | terr: The size on disk is therefore compressed. tar talks in uncompressed size |
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| 12:25.03 | terr | EmleyMoor: ok - thanks |
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| 12:25.44 | Scalpel | When I run sudo on my laptop it does not ask for a password. The permitions in /etc/sudoers seem to be okay ALL = (ALL) ALL allowingme to do all but it should ask for a password. The timestamps do for some reason not appear in /var/run/sudo. Anyone a clue? standard package. Same version as on my box and there it goed without problems |
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| 12:26.05 | sylvisj | unable to read the hardware clock? |
| 12:26.09 | jetscreamer | iturk: best way is back up your data and totally repartition. there are other methods. |
| 12:26.12 | sylvisj | *shrug* random guess |
| 12:26.16 | terr | wtf is wrong with this? dd if=backups/terr of=/dev/st0 says dd: writing to `/dev/st0': Invalid argument |
| 12:26.29 | jetscreamer | Scalpel: that lets anybody/everybody sudo |
| 12:26.39 | jetscreamer | sudo doesn't ask for a pw |
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| 12:27.24 | vl_h_gloomy | i did it. /media/cdrom0 on the due place after reboot. simple helping startup script |
| 12:27.25 | Scalpel | jetscreamer: no ony the ones with a line in /etc/sudoers |
| 12:27.28 | alekandr | iturk: man cfdisk |
| 12:27.40 | jetscreamer | Scalpel: it says ALL= |
| 12:27.42 | Scalpel | as long as there is an entry all password asking is skipped |
| 12:27.53 | iturk | alekandr: i am reading it but is very complicated |
| 12:28.05 | iturk | i need a simple tutorial |
| 12:28.15 | alekandr | google.com/linux |
| 12:28.16 | iturk | i just want to change the says of the partion |
| 12:28.23 | alekandr | search for cfdisk tutorial |
| 12:28.28 | jetscreamer | Scalpel: nm i was not reading correctly |
| 12:28.33 | Scalpel | jetscreamer: myusername ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 12:28.37 | jetscreamer | you didn't put the usernames (good) |
| 12:28.39 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 12:28.41 | alekandr | iTron: change what? |
| 12:28.47 | alekandr | iturk: change what? |
| 12:28.52 | iturk | size i mean |
| 12:28.53 | alekandr | sup, tab pwn ok :( |
| 12:29.04 | EmleyMoor | iturk: The easiest way is to back it and any other affected partitions up, delete them and then remake and restore |
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| 12:29.27 | iturk | can you pass that for cfdisk commands |
| 12:29.34 | alekandr | EmleyMoor: I agree, you cant resize something with existing data, without messing it all up |
| 12:29.34 | iturk | like cfdisk language |
| 12:29.47 | alekandr | cfdisk is sorta gui man |
| 12:29.52 | Scalpel | jetscreamer: file is the same as on my home-box. There is asks for the passwd |
| 12:30.02 | jetscreamer | Scalpel: sudo never asks me for a pw with exactly what you have in your sudoers file |
| 12:30.08 | EmleyMoor | alekandr: I have used resizing tools but they are not always as flexible and safe as you need |
| 12:30.24 | jetscreamer | Scalpel: maybe you're in the sudo group on one box and not on the other |
| 12:30.28 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 12:30.31 | iturk | i see the gui but i enter in maximize in the partion which i want to resise and nothing happens |
| 12:30.34 | jetscreamer | beyond my ken |
| 12:30.35 | Scalpel | jetscreamer: sudo should ask for the user passwd unless I set the NOPASSWD option |
| 12:30.37 | sep | Scalpel, with that config you should be asked for a password the first time, and if you have not run sudo in a long time. |
| 12:30.41 | alekandr | Last time I did that, i lost stuff ok :( |
| 12:30.47 | sifi-x | which package is x.org? |
| 12:30.57 | sep | Scalpel, if you run sudo several times it will only ask the first time |
| 12:30.59 | EmleyMoor | iturk: Is there room after the partition for more? |
| 12:31.07 | Guerin | sifi-x: x-windows-system[-core] |
| 12:31.10 | jetscreamer | xserver-xorg and others i believe, but x-window-system will get the job done |
| 12:31.14 | vl_bright_again | mystery remains however why /media/cdrom0 tends to vanish? |
| 12:31.22 | jetscreamer | what guerin said |
| 12:31.30 | Guerin | bah |
| 12:31.31 | Scalpel | sep: I know. But it nevre asks. |
| 12:31.37 | iturk | 5GB before of Free space EmleyMoor |
| 12:31.40 | Guerin | sifi-x: x-window-system[-core] |
| 12:31.42 | Scalpel | jetscreamer: the sudo group hint could be it. Hang on :) |
| 12:31.50 | EmleyMoor | How about after? |
| 12:31.57 | sifi-x | Guerin, ok, I get it |
| 12:32.14 | EmleyMoor | (you cannot maximize backwards) |
| 12:32.15 | iturk | EmleyMoor: i want to increase it to the left |
| 12:32.20 | terr | what could be worng with this? dd if=backups/terr of=/dev/st0 |
| 12:32.21 | jetscreamer | ok not what guerin said (the first time) |
| 12:32.44 | EmleyMoor | iturk: You cannot increase to the left. Back up the contents, delete and create a new partition starting where you want it |
| 12:32.45 | iturk | EmleyMoor: how should i do ? |
| 12:32.53 | jetscreamer | but ymmv |
| 12:33.00 | alekandr | iturk: using debian write? |
| 12:33.01 | terr | this works: tar -cvz --totals $mytarops -f /dev/st0 $1 |
| 12:33.07 | alekandr | right* |
| 12:33.14 | iturk | but i dont want to delete the partion |
| 12:33.16 | sifi-x | does anyone here run Etch as destkop, I wonder which packages I should install to get a desktop with x.org and KDE |
| 12:33.22 | iturk | like lose all the data |
| 12:33.29 | pitillo | sylvisj, http://lokalix.dyndns.org/index_en?get=manuales/en/manual_counter try this game ... better than aa |
| 12:33.35 | Guerin | sifi-x: x-window-system-core and kde-core |
| 12:33.36 | EmleyMoor | iturk: Well, back it up then... |
| 12:33.47 | EmleyMoor | There is no simple way to sort this |
| 12:33.55 | jetscreamer | sifi-x: apt-get install x-window-system kde wil do the job |
| 12:34.13 | jetscreamer | but bloatedly |
| 12:34.13 | Guerin | the kde metapackage was broken in etch last I heard |
| 12:34.15 | jetscreamer | add kdm on there just to be sure |
| 12:34.17 | Guerin | kde-core wasn't, though |
| 12:34.18 | jetscreamer | ah no idea |
| 12:34.23 | Guerin | well |
| 12:34.34 | sylvisj | pitillo: Will do. |
| 12:34.40 | pitillo | =) |
| 12:34.40 | Guerin | when you have a metapackage which depends on 200 packages totalling 500MB, something is bound to break |
| 12:34.44 | iturk | ok lets see if i get the point -> i cannot resize a partion to the left using any program for partion for that i have to delete the partion and make a new one |
| 12:34.49 | Jake_ | if the debian isntallation thingo had loaded the correct raid drivers i would see them when i do an lsmod, correct? |
| 12:34.51 | Jake_ | :( |
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| 12:35.01 | ootput | omry|work: oh cool |
| 12:35.04 | alekandr | iturk: http://partimage.org/ The partitioner, it is in the debian repo as well, so apt-get install partimage right, and then a tutorial for you: http://www.raoul.shacknet.nu/2006/01/06/partition-images-with-partimage-and-partimaged/ |
| 12:35.14 | dhuv | hello all |
| 12:35.15 | alekandr | Just read the instructions for use |
| 12:35.18 | jetscreamer | iturk: get a few dvd's (heh few) and back the damn thing up whatever you do |
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| 12:35.36 | jetscreamer | or other hd |
| 12:35.45 | sifi-x | Guerin, whats the diff between "x-window-system kde" and "x-window-system-core kde-core" as jetscreamer tipsed? |
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| 12:35.56 | sylvisj | pitillo: Quake 3 itself is missing, but the true combat mod is there. |
| 12:36.06 | alekandr | iturk: and then there is also: GParted -- Welcome @ http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ itself! |
| 12:36.06 | Shorty` | hey guys, can someone suggest how I could do the following in regular expression; I want to strip everything before the LAST '/' |
| 12:36.07 | Shorty` | :) |
| 12:36.13 | jetscreamer | sifi-x: Guerin said the kde metapackage is borked in etch.. so do it Guerin's way |
| 12:36.22 | hkais | hi |
| 12:36.38 | hkais | anyone here who uses confixx with apache2 under sarge? |
| 12:36.46 | dhuv | I just installed kaffeine and kaffeine-mozilla. Kaffeine is working fine as I can play avi files that I have lying aorund but if I try to view the trailers in the apple quicktime site I get >>> Check if another program already uses PCM <<< snd_pcm_open() failed:-19:No such device |
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| 12:37.04 | Scalpel | jetscreamer: it was the group thing. Thanx. (why use a sudo group??? looks like a hazard to me... bloody default) |
| 12:37.08 | jetscreamer | dhuv: i know nothing but try lsof |
| 12:37.14 | NOthsouth | where is the best place to set system variables ? |
| 12:37.18 | Shorty` | dhuv; sounds like it's configured to use the wrong device? |
| 12:37.42 | jetscreamer | Scalpel: i 'think' that you would need to be both in the group and the sudoers file.. but i never tested it, just thought about it |
| 12:38.02 | sifi-x | jetscreamer, should I use "x-window-system-core and kde-core" in sarge as well? |
| 12:38.04 | jetscreamer | i've always had to add myself to the sudo group though |
| 12:38.24 | NOthsouth | i'm set it on .bash_profile of my user, but some times, I put something like: export JAVA_HOME=/jdk1.5 .. and it don't work after that ...if I try a echo $JAVA_HOME for example .... |
| 12:38.35 | jetscreamer | sifi-x: up2u, either way should function... kde will get you more bloat than just kde-core |
| 12:38.44 | jetscreamer | in stable that is |
| 12:38.57 | dhuv | Shorty`: I though that, but I went into the kaffeine xine settings and could not find a place where it references PCM |
| 12:39.07 | Scalpel | jetscreamer: nope kicked the sudo group and now sudo behaves as it should. Asking me once for the passwd and not until it times out |
| 12:39.08 | dvm1981 | Give a little bit power to > 'jetscreamer' Ho know what to do with it :-) |
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| 12:39.20 | ootput | have any of you tried irssi-rss? |
| 12:39.31 | RichiH | irssi rss? heh |
| 12:39.41 | ootput | :) |
| 12:39.48 | spas | HI! I've downloaded and installed kde, but when I write startx i shows "/usr/x11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2 /usr/bin/x11/x :no such file or directory" and "/usr/x11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2 /usr/bin/x11/x cannot execute" "xinit no such file or directory: unable to connect to X server" can somebody help? |
| 12:40.04 | sifi-x | jetscreamer, ok, so x-window-system in sarge and x-windows-system-core in Etch |
| 12:40.16 | iturk | thanks ! so with partion image i create a copy of the partion then i delete the partion then i resize it then i use the image to restore it. something like this ?? |
| 12:40.23 | jetscreamer | no that's not what was typed... jsut do whatever guerin said |
| 12:40.44 | jetscreamer | i already forgot exactly |
| 12:40.54 | jetscreamer | /lastlog Guerin |
| 12:40.57 | ootput | ah, apparently it works |
| 12:40.59 | sylvisj | spas: Do you have x-window-system installed? |
| 12:41.11 | alekandr | iturk: yeap |
| 12:41.19 | spas | sylvisj how to check it? |
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| 12:41.33 | sylvisj | Well, if you don't, this will start it... apt-get install x-window-system |
| 12:41.48 | spas | and then it will work? |
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| 12:42.31 | sylvisj | It should. |
| 12:42.34 | sifi-x | jetscreamer, sorry for my bad english but what do you mean with "kde will get you more bloat than just kde-core" |
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| 12:42.40 | Shorty` | anyone know if you can use regular expression to match on the last instance of something? |
| 12:42.44 | Jake_ | the installer has detected my raid hardware, but has not found any drives?! i hope this doesnt mean the drives are fucked |
| 12:42.46 | spas | ok i'll try |
| 12:42.49 | Jake_ | any other thoughts? |
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| 12:43.12 | sylvisj | No SATA compatability? |
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| 12:43.36 | sylvisj | Jake_, how to fix this: Next time you run the installer, instead of just hitting 'enter', type linux26 and hit enter. |
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| 12:44.09 | Jake_ | damn i also forgot these are scsi monkeys |
| 12:44.15 | Jake_ | this is my first scsi adventure :P |
| 12:44.17 | sylvisj | :P |
| 12:44.24 | sylvisj | linux26 it and it should work. |
| 12:44.28 | Jake_ | i wonder what that does too me - doh' |
| 12:44.31 | Jake_ | sylvisj, thanks!! |
| 12:44.35 | sylvisj | Np. |
| 12:44.40 | sylvisj | Lemme know how it goes. |
| 12:44.41 | loz | Hello. I'm looking to buy a printer. Samsung ML-1610. Claims linux compat. Installer GTK/Cups. Anyone here experience of this, or recommend where to find. (linuxprinting.org no mention, maybe 1610 is 1510?) |
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| 12:46.51 | pitillo | sylvisj, the quake 3 is missing? do you refer the first link in the manual? (enemy territory link) |
| 12:47.07 | streuner | loz: use 'groups.google.com' |
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| 12:47.38 | Shorty` | gah, sed annoys me :\ |
| 12:47.52 | Jake_ | nope.... no love from it |
| 12:47.53 | sylvisj | pitillo: Yeah, it's gone. |
| 12:47.56 | sylvisj | File not found. |
| 12:48.04 | alekandr | enemy territory on linux is laggy and sound is fucked :] sup |
| 12:48.10 | pitillo | true, the et link its gone, sorry, I?ll change it wait |
| 12:48.14 | Jake_ | booted the installed with linux26, now the raid driver is "used" and not "unused" but no drives are appearing |
| 12:48.14 | terr | does anyone know what an exabyte blocksize is? |
| 12:48.23 | pitillo | alekandr, do you try true combat? |
| 12:48.39 | alekandr | nope, what is true combat? |
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| 12:49.16 | sylvisj | Jake_: This is odd... |
| 12:49.39 | pitillo | well, the link in the manual is up... |
| 12:49.39 | sylvisj | Jake_: That is what fixed it for me, and I had the same problem with SATA at first. |
| 12:49.51 | sylvisj | pitillo: t just told me file not found |
| 12:49.53 | sylvisj | It* |
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| 12:50.05 | pitillo | alekandr, its a mod for et, like counter strike but more realist |
| 12:50.07 | sylvisj | Jake_: Use google and search for anyone else having that problem? |
| 12:50.12 | pitillo | sylvisj, refresh the page... |
| 12:50.13 | alekandr | nice |
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| 12:50.38 | Jake_ | sylvisj, yep have been |
| 12:50.41 | Jake_ | a little lost tho |
| 12:50.46 | Jake_ | does it also need a scsi driver? |
| 12:50.58 | sylvisj | Working now ^^ |
| 12:51.00 | Jake_ | so id need loaded scsi driver + scsi raid controller driver |
| 12:51.08 | Jake_ | ? |
| 12:51.11 | sylvisj | I'd think so |
| 12:51.27 | sylvisj | I was under the impression 2.6.8 had SCSI support |
| 12:51.36 | jetscreamer | it does |
| 12:51.51 | sylvisj | Wonder why Jake_'s SCSI drivers don't show up |
| 12:52.06 | Jake_ | there is a scsi_mod driver loaded!! missed that at first |
| 12:52.10 | Jake_ | still no drives appearing tho |
| 12:52.23 | jetscreamer | apt-get install modconf |
| 12:52.33 | Jake_ | do the drives still appear as /dev/hdax when using scsi/ |
| 12:52.38 | jetscreamer | load some scsi modules (the ones you need) |
| 12:52.40 | sylvisj | sda. |
| 12:52.44 | sylvisj | sda# |
| 12:53.08 | NOthsouth | do someone know something abou this error : CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode .. ? |
| 12:53.12 | Jake_ | a df doesnt list anything anyway, so assume that means only my ide cdrom is loaded |
| 12:53.30 | Jake_ | this motherboard has an ide channel also... i wonder if it can only use one or the other ... or something silly .. |
| 12:53.33 | sylvisj | pitillo: Grr, now the mod link isn't working. |
| 12:53.43 | sylvisj | Jake_: Maybe it's a bios thing? |
| 12:53.56 | pitillo | jajajajaa... sorry |
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| 12:55.42 | pitillo | well, now changed |
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| 12:56.36 | sylvisj | File not found |
| 12:57.07 | pitillo | lol |
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| 12:57.11 | sylvisj | Nvm, got it |
| 12:57.13 | pitillo | refresh the webpage |
| 12:57.28 | sylvisj | Holy shit |
| 12:57.30 | pitillo | it maybe had the old link.... |
| 12:57.33 | sylvisj | I have 800k/s incoming |
| 12:57.35 | NOthsouth | how can I kill X by terminal ? |
| 12:57.55 | sylvisj | Why would you want to? |
| 12:58.28 | NOthsouth | I need restart my X but, I'm on vnc .. ssh |
| 12:58.42 | NOthsouth | sorry, i'm on ssh .. |
| 12:58.58 | sylvisj | So reboot... |
| 12:59.06 | sylvisj | *has no clue how to restart x* |
| 12:59.09 | NOthsouth | ahuaha |
| 12:59.12 | NOthsouth | lol |
| 12:59.23 | pitillo | NOthsouth, stop gdm, kdm or your desktop manager |
| 12:59.26 | sep | NOthsouth, restart your display manager gdm or kdm or whatever ? |
| 13:00.01 | NOthsouth | if i stop xdm, gnome will stop ? |
| 13:00.14 | sylvisj | Yes |
| 13:00.27 | NOthsouth | sylvisj, thx :) |
| 13:00.27 | sylvisj | Gnome and KDE are built around X. No X, and they collapse. |
| 13:00.36 | sylvisj | Np. |
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| 13:01.23 | dvm1981 | beginer : Hello, you are here on the right place ... |
| 13:01.56 | dvm1981 | Let's beginning with the first question ... |
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| 13:02.52 | ro0t | from one debian update to the next, my scrollbutton stopped working (Xorg + fluxbox + explorer PS2 mouse), does this have anything to do with debian ? |
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| 13:05.10 | armavir | äîáðûé äåíü |
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| 13:05.37 | dvm1981 | Migration from 'stable' to 'testing', rebooting the computer in the virtual PC and i will try it :-) |
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| 13:05.59 | inetd | No mail for root |
| 13:06.13 | inetd | http://mrinal.net/screenshots/mrinal_screenshot3.jpg |
| 13:06.20 | inetd | does anyone know the font in the mutt window? |
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| 13:06.29 | dvm1981 | It's looks with colors now when booting :-) |
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| 13:07.03 | psychonate | inetd, Slayer eh ;) |
| 13:07.06 | dvm1981 | A command to view the current version ?? |
| 13:07.10 | dvm1981 | How To ?? |
| 13:07.34 | psychonate | inetd, looks like Reign in Blood |
| 13:07.55 | inetd | psychonate: where do i get that font? |
| 13:07.58 | alekandr | dvm1981: current version of what, kernel? |
| 13:08.16 | dvm1981 | alekandr : Oeps, sorry, of Debian |
| 13:08.27 | dvm1981 | stable, testing, ... |
| 13:08.27 | psychonate | inetd, oh, I thought it was *your* screenshot |
| 13:08.58 | inetd | psychonate: nope.... if its my shot..i would know my font ;) |
| 13:09.02 | dvm1981 | If have migrated from stable to testing, how to look if it's really good done ? |
| 13:09.23 | armavir | òóò êòî ãîâîðèò ïî ðóññêè? |
| 13:10.18 | psychonate | dvm1981, eh, use it? |
| 13:10.49 | dvm1981 | After migration, now when i run 'tasksel' it do 'tasksel : aptitude failed' |
| 13:10.56 | dvm1981 | Ok |
| 13:11.05 | dvm1981 | So trying with apt |
| 13:11.55 | dvm1981 | im in cli, i would now have a desktop and window environment, like Gnome, KDE and Fluxbox, ohw, that is my goal. |
| 13:12.20 | dvm1981 | apt-get install kde gnome fluxbox ?? |
| 13:13.12 | dvm1981 | I think the migration has been done :-) |
| 13:13.47 | psychonate | I must say I've been fairly happy with IceWM + Rox over the past few months. |
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| 13:13.56 | Jake_ | vauge scsi/raid question.... got a raid controller and when i go into the bios configure it shows two channels... there are two hdd's attached... channel b has a something connected and it reports that it is not a diskdrive |
| 13:14.06 | Jake_ | google says an ESG-SHV blah blah is |
| 13:14.15 | Jake_ | im guessing both my drives are screwed |
| 13:14.28 | dvm1981 | psychonate : Make note of Rox over, i dont know this :-) |
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| 13:15.15 | sylvisj | Jake_: have you had them on windows? |
| 13:15.20 | psychonate | dvm1981, if you're going to use Gnome or KDE, you probably won't need rox. |
| 13:15.40 | armavir | I have problem whith sound realtek ac 97. Who can give me to a few time? |
| 13:16.23 | Jake_ | sylvisj, i havent tried... that could be a good test |
| 13:16.29 | dvm1981 | psychonate : Dailly im use KDE, some time i use Fluxbox, depending on wish computer i am, interesting for my old computers where i have Fluxbox. |
| 13:16.32 | Jake_ | sylvisj, just bought this machine used |
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| 13:17.32 | dvm1981 | psychonate : Is that the name 'Rox over', looking in synaptic but not finding it. |
| 13:17.47 | psychonate | dvm1981, just "rox" |
| 13:18.25 | psychonate | dvm1981, it's just a little file manager. Gnome and KDE already have file managers, so you probably wouldn't need it when using them. |
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| 13:19.07 | psychonate | dvm1981, it's nice for Fluxbox perhaps. I use it in IceWM because it lets me put a few icons on the desktop. |
| 13:19.21 | dvm1981 | psychonate : Ok, i have tendence to look for what others say to me :-) |
| 13:19.37 | dvm1981 | psychonate : thankx for these tips |
| 13:19.40 | psychonate | dvm1981, you could probably use it in fluxbox too to put some icons on the desktop if you wanted |
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| 13:21.11 | dvm1981 | psychonate : 'rox' not finding in synaptic, take not of 'rox' and looking another time, thinking not have the good sourcelist. |
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| 13:21.22 | dvm1981 | ...take a note of ... |
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| 13:22.26 | psychonate | dvm1981, ah, the package is actually "rox-filer" I believe |
| 13:23.01 | JCC | can I ask a quick question about ldapsearch? |
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| 13:23.18 | dvm1981 | psychonate : FOUND ! Really thankx |
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| 13:23.46 | dvm1981 | Hi hi ... |
| 13:23.58 | manbox | where do i put commands to start debian with.. i.e. if i want to start MySQL at bootup? |
| 13:24.10 | psychonate | dvm1981, 'rox --pinboard=PIN' is what you might want to play with in fluxbox |
| 13:25.00 | dvm1981 | Take back my little papper to note :-) |
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| 13:25.47 | dvm1981 | I like that :-) |
| 13:25.52 | JCC | Quick question: ldapsearch does not work without specifying -h localhost :: does anyone know where the host is read from when not using -h ? |
| 13:25.52 | dvm1981 | here ... |
| 13:26.19 | dvm1981 | localhost ?? |
| 13:26.39 | dvm1981 | The host in question ?? |
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| 13:27.18 | sylvisj | How do I set up flash or shockwave for Mozilla? |
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| 13:27.43 | dvm1981 | sylvisj : Add a reposition to youre sourcelist |
| 13:27.56 | dvm1981 | /etc/apt/source.list |
| 13:28.13 | sylvisj | What repos.? |
| 13:28.17 | dvm1981 | # FOR Acrobat Reader, Mplayer, NON-OPEN SOFT |
| 13:28.17 | dvm1981 | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
| 13:28.32 | dvm1981 | So ?? |
| 13:28.52 | iturk | i have read this from a tutorial useradd -c "Partimaged User" -s /sbin/nologin -r -M partimag but i dont have the file nologin in /sbin how should i do to create a user without the system create a user home directory for him ?? |
| 13:28.54 | dvm1981 | Then in cli Command Line Interface... |
| 13:29.01 | dvm1981 | apt-get update |
| 13:29.21 | inetd | whats a nice font for aterm/eterm? |
| 13:29.36 | ootput | profont |
| 13:29.40 | ootput | proggy-series |
| 13:29.41 | ootput | fixed |
| 13:29.43 | dvm1981 | Then when you look with ex. Synaptic you see that you have a lots of more (onofficial)packages |
| 13:29.53 | marcelolaia | update-rc.d problem!!! When I try to install any package, I receive a message from dpkg: update-dc nof found in PATH. The root's PATH is ok. How I install update-rc.d in this case? byy APT and dpkg is not possible. |
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| 13:30.26 | dvm1981 | Qfter doing that do 'apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla' |
| 13:31.01 | dvm1981 | sylvisj : Luck it ? |
| 13:31.21 | sylvisj | No luck. |
| 13:31.24 | sylvisj | It installed, but istn' working. |
| 13:31.25 | dvm1981 | 3 min, thake some drugs => a coffe please |
| 13:31.26 | marcelolaia | I acidentaly removed the sysvinit! What I do? |
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| 13:31.36 | sylvisj | Gtg to school, I'm out |
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| 13:31.48 | dvm1981 | sylvisj : ok |
| 13:31.54 | JCC | dvm1981: if I don't specify -h localhost it seems to use the wrong host and can't connect but I don't know where the host is specified for LDAP |
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| 13:32.35 | maxb | If I want to write a script which reads data from /var/lib/dpkg/status, are there any python or perl libraries I should be looking at? |
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| 13:33.39 | dvm1981 | JCC : i don't know where it's looks for, i think it will look first localy. So i think i look on the local network. '/etc/network/...' or susch else, no experience with LDAP on my Debian, i would like to help, but i dont, i think |
| 13:34.51 | dvm1981 | Someone experience with LDAP to help JCC. |
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| 13:36.14 | JCC | dvm1981: yeah I think something is overriding the localhost lookup and I have to override it with -h - thanks for your help dvm1981 |
| 13:36.33 | dvm1981 | sylvisj : Have you close and restart Firefox ? |
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| 13:37.11 | marcelolaia | update-rc.d problem!!! When I try to install any package, I receive a message from dpkg: update-rc.d not found in PATH. The root's PATH is ok. How I install update-rc.d in this case? by APT and dpkg is not possible. I acidentaly removed the sysvinit. I search on google, debian lists, and I not found any issue... |
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| 13:38.01 | maxb | marcelolaia: oops. There's a reason those packages are called 'essential' :-( |
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| 13:38.17 | POVaddct | is the berlios bcm43xx driver already usable? |
| 13:38.27 | grubit | My Debian is at /dev/hda3. How to set grub so that the machine will automatically boot Debian? |
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| 13:38.45 | dvm1981 | From cli i have installed KDE > 'apt-get install kde', and i have forget what i must also install to get runnig my desktop environment. Thankx for suggestions |
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| 13:38.51 | bibe | grubit : set default=<debian_stanza_index> |
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| 13:39.30 | bibe | dvm1981 : install x-window-system-core (if it's not installed yet) |
| 13:39.42 | grubit | bibe: what is in that < >? a number, say 3 for hda3? |
| 13:39.47 | marcelolaia | maxb, Thank you very much. But now, what I do??? There is one only way: re-install debian??? |
| 13:40.23 | maxb | marcelolaia: Copy update-rc.d from another debian machine? |
| 13:40.24 | grubit | bibe: or rather, how to determine debian_stanza_index? |
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| 13:40.54 | dvm1981 | bibe : It's looks the solution, whas not installed> Really thankx... ;-) |
| 13:40.56 | maxb | marcelolaia: Or manually download the .deb, unpack it, and manually install the file? |
| 13:41.10 | tiny | Hi! What package contains update-rc.d ? |
| 13:41.28 | bibe | grubit : you should have some line(s) saying "title Debian..." |
| 13:41.34 | tiny | packages.debian.org is down at the moment |
| 13:42.05 | dvm1981 | bibe : Yes, yes, yes, he now asking for 'Configuring xserver-xorg'. Thankx, on the good way with good people ... |
| 13:42.14 | iturk | using this command useradd -c "Partimaged User" -s /sbin/nologin -r -M partimag i would like to create a user without no login shell and i dont want to create a home directory for him but i dont have that opcions in my "man useradd" my distribuition is debian sarge how should i do ? |
| 13:42.24 | grubit | here it is: title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.8 |
| 13:42.26 | grubit | root (hd0,2) |
| 13:42.27 | grubit | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8 root=/dev/hda3 ro vga=794 |
| 13:42.28 | maxb | tiny: sysv-rc |
| 13:42.29 | grubit | savedefault |
| 13:42.30 | grubit | boot |
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| 13:42.38 | tiny | maxb: thanks |
| 13:42.41 | marcelolaia | maxb, OK. I will try this as soon as debian.packages return on line. Thank you. The first suggestion is not possible because only me use linux in our lab: I am a Ph.D student... Thank you. |
| 13:42.42 | bibe | grubit, stop pasting please |
| 13:43.06 | grubit | sorry, only a few lines. i know about #flod. |
| 13:43.08 | bibe | is Debian listed as the first "title"? |
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| 13:43.19 | grubit | bibe: yes. |
| 13:43.40 | bibe | perfect. so use default 0 and you will be OK |
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| 13:43.45 | maxb | marcelolaia: Why do you need packages.debian.org for this? |
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| 13:45.14 | marcelolaia | maxb: for search what packages contain update-rc.d and download it. By APT is not possible search file on package. i dont have apt-file instaled. |
| 13:45.16 | debian-san | Could someone confirm me if the binary version of fetchmail (from Sarge) has been compiled with NTLM authentication support? |
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| 13:45.26 | maxb | marcelolaia: http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sysvinit/ |
| 13:45.36 | maxb | marcelolaia: sarge or etch? |
| 13:45.49 | marcelolaia | maxb: testing |
| 13:45.50 | grubit | bibe: had tried that, as well as 'save'. can't work. it boots up WindowXP, which is at hda1, by default. |
| 13:46.57 | basix | hi guys i am trying to mount a samba filesystem in rw mode for a normal user. i am trying to mount it as root but i dont know how to specify the user & group of the mount point. Any pointers? |
| 13:47.45 | bibe | grubit : do a 'grep ^title /boot/grub/menu.lst' |
| 13:47.59 | maxb | marcelolaia: fetch version 2.86.ds1-4 of (initscripts, sysvinit, sysv-rc) from ANY-DEBIAN-MIRROR/pool/main/s/sysvinit/ |
| 13:48.33 | bibe | basix : //dev/documentation /mnt/documentation smbfs user,username=ciccio,password=pasticcio,noauto 0 0 |
| 13:48.37 | marcelolaia | maxb: Thank you very much!!! |
| 13:48.52 | grubit | bibe: ok, won't be a moment. |
| 13:49.07 | bibe | basix : this lets me (bibe user) mount it and unmount it as a normal user |
| 13:49.22 | stew | debian-san: "apt-get source fetchmail" and read fetchmail-(version)/debian/rules and see for yourself |
| 13:49.26 | smacnay | I have used hotplug, with success, in getting a usb scanner to work. Is there a method of limiting what hotplug loads up by default? |
| 13:49.35 | debian-san | stew: Thanks. |
| 13:50.04 | bibe | basix : and issue a 'chown <user>: /mount/point' with the share unmounted before mounting it |
| 13:50.07 | stew | smacnay: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 13:50.47 | grubit | bibe: it is in #flood. |
| 13:50.57 | dvm1981 | Yes, yes, yes, im in testing (etch ??) correct my please if i wrong |
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| 13:51.41 | smacnay | stew: thanks - that is a big help. |
| 13:51.42 | bibe | grubit : is the Debian stanza listed as the first "title"? |
| 13:51.51 | dvm1981 | KDE is running, now adding stuff like synaptic... |
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| 13:52.24 | grubit | bibe: isn'tthat clear from what i posted in #flood? |
| 13:52.41 | basix | bibe, ok i'll try it |
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| 13:53.27 | grubit | bibe: First from the top is a series of Debians, last one is XP. |
| 13:53.31 | smacnay | stew: do you recommend one over the other (hotplug vs. discover)? |
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| 13:53.59 | stew | smacnay: i recommend you use both, they handle different things |
| 13:54.02 | basix | bibe, what happens is if i chown the mount point and then mount it, the ownership is changed back to root.root |
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| 13:57.34 | tiny | Hi! I need a debootstrap script that is tested and that provides minimal stable environment. Does this exist? |
| 13:58.53 | kaos | please, i need some help concerning wireless network. anyone here with the knowledge? |
| 13:59.05 | azeem | tiny: use the --variant=buildd option |
| 13:59.20 | wedge | haha :D |
| 13:59.23 | smacnay | stew: so discover really probes for all sorts of stuff and hotplug does its own thing. Thanks. |
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| 14:00.20 | basix | bibe, ok solved it |
| 14:00.38 | bibe | kaos : please explain your problem(s), then if someone will answer and/or will point you to the right channel to ask |
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| 14:00.51 | bibe | basix : perfect |
| 14:01.02 | atax | hello |
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| 14:01.30 | basix | bibe, had to edit fstab |
| 14:01.38 | tiny | azeem: what are build-essential packages? |
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| 14:01.54 | azeem | you can remove them |
| 14:02.02 | bibe | basix : yes, the line I showed you was from my fstab |
| 14:02.16 | bibe | except for the passwords... ;) |
| 14:02.42 | wedge | what use |
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| 14:03.01 | fausto | hi, is there someone who attend berkeley university? |
| 14:03.02 | tiny | azeem: you mean you >can't< remove them? |
| 14:03.09 | azeem | you can |
| 14:03.17 | azeem | you don't need them for a minimal system |
| 14:03.24 | basix | bibe, uh, i wanted a pure mount command. nevermind |
| 14:03.27 | azeem | they are needed to build stuff though, which I guess you don't want |
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| 14:03.37 | basix | bibe, heres the line: //mymachine/wwwtest /mnt/samba smbfs noauto,users,uid=xxxxx,gid=xxxxx,rw,username=xxxxx,password=xxxxx 0 0 |
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| 14:04.48 | kaos | i try to connect to a network where i live, but i doesn't work. drives work and all, tried it somewhere else. the diferenses i know of is that the network i can't get into is encrypted, i have the key, but it doesn't work. could there be anything wrong with the connecton between my laptop and the router because of IPv6? is there any way of enabling IPv4 on wireless? |
| 14:05.06 | kaos | drivers work |
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| 14:05.32 | basix | kaos, i doubt its a ipv6 problem. are you using WEP or WPA? |
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| 14:05.40 | tiny | azeem: but ... in manual it says "which installs the build-essential packages into TARGET". Now if I don't need them why would I use --variant=buildd option? |
| 14:06.05 | kaos | WEP i believe.... what is the differnce? |
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| 14:06.18 | azeem | tiny: because it installs less than the normal one |
| 14:06.27 | azeem | tiny: it also installs essential packages, not base |
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| 14:07.46 | bibe | basix : I don't use uid nor gid, and when mounting the remote samba share as the user owning the mount directory, the permissions don't change |
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| 14:08.48 | ArtVandalae | Hello I've just setup a proxy on the gateway. How can I check whether the proxy is working? I've tried Google but I can't seem to find any tests. Can you guys maybe enlighten me with some methods? |
| 14:09.38 | sep | ArtVandalae, read the logs |
| 14:10.01 | ArtVandalae | -_- |
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| 14:10.17 | dvm1981 | Thankx for all sugestions, help, advieses, ... I comming back ... |
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| 14:10.25 | tiny | azeem: so you suggest I should build this minimal system with esential packages and go from there ... |
| 14:10.54 | irrlicht | hi everyone :) I get a lot of "ACPI PCI Interrupt Link etc." messages at boot...does someone know what they mean ? is it good or bad to receive such messages ? thanks in advance :) |
| 14:11.06 | kaos | basix: what's the difference between WEP and WPA, and how do i know for certain which i an using? |
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| 14:12.21 | nixxie | hmmm. i need a 2.6.14 kernel in order to have 3ware 9550sx support. how do i build a kernel for the debian installer, or rather for Debian From Scratch? I've tried building a kernel for DFS before but it wouldnt boot and i couldn't find the .config for the original DFS kernel, but i'd settle for a customized d-i kernel |
| 14:12.22 | bibe | !tell kaos -about wep |
| 14:12.33 | wedge | kaos: WPA has stronger encryption |
| 14:12.39 | wedge | WEP is pretty easy to break thesedays. |
| 14:12.44 | cahoot | irrlicht: simply informational msgs as far as I can tel |
| 14:12.46 | wedge | That's the main difference.. |
| 14:12.51 | streuner | nixxie: /msg dpkg custom netinstall |
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| 14:13.32 | nixxie | !custom netinstall |
| 14:13.37 | nixxie | !test |
| 14:13.39 | dpkg | Sorry, nixxie, I didn't get your test. |
| 14:13.49 | nixxie | there's no such keyword streuner |
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| 14:14.13 | irrlicht | cahoot: this would be good :) I was about to become crazy trying to get rid of those messages :) |
| 14:14.36 | avu | Hi. How do I produce a sharp s with the us_intl keymapping uner X11? |
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| 14:14.54 | streuner | nixxie: hm, somebody removed the factoid, try /msg dpkg custom d-i then |
| 14:15.23 | nixxie | worx, thanks |
| 14:15.45 | streuner | nixxie: wiki.debian.org has a HOWTO too |
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| 14:16.11 | streuner | http://wiki.debian.org/?DebianCustomCD |
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| 14:18.05 | streuner | nixxie: do you have another NIC handy? |
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| 14:18.31 | nixxie | streuner: its my raid controller. 3ware 9550-sx |
| 14:18.38 | nixxie | not supported till 2.6.14.x |
| 14:18.39 | stew | nixxie: do you need .14 or would .12 work? |
| 14:18.43 | stew | o |
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| 14:18.56 | bibe | nixxie : /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 14:18.58 | henk | how do i measure disk-io per partition ? |
| 14:19.08 | streuner | Doesn't etch installer uses 2.6.8 as kernel too? |
| 14:19.31 | bibe | streuner : I think it uses 2.6.12 (at least, etch d-i beta 1) |
| 14:22.50 | eleftherios | is lame unavailable for Etch? |
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| 14:23.42 | kaos | wedge: so what's the difference with setting it up on my laptop using wpa? gnome settings for network only asks for WEP key.... |
| 14:23.47 | kaos | wedge: no WPA writing thingy field |
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| 14:24.08 | bizkit | is there a package available for encrypted (gpg/pgp) backups using rsync-like 'appendable' backup trees? (so that not everything has to be transferred over and over again, just changes)? |
| 14:24.09 | kaos | hm |
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| 14:26.27 | iturk | hi there everytime i try to add a partion before my root linux e receive a kernel panic during boot time something like VFS ... |
| 14:26.40 | iturk | cannot mount root |
| 14:26.41 | jm_ | iTron: well doh |
| 14:26.46 | jm_ | iturk ^^^ |
| 14:26.58 | iturk | so which file should i inform about the change ? |
| 14:27.10 | jm_ | fstab, boot loader config files |
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| 14:27.36 | oz__ | moin |
| 14:27.50 | oz__ | anyone got a pointer for me how to install eclipse on amd64? |
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| 14:28.16 | iturk | jm_: /etc/lilo.conf and /etc/fstab |
| 14:28.20 | iturk | you mean |
| 14:28.35 | jm_ | iturk: if you're using lilo then yes |
| 14:28.41 | iturk | ;) |
| 14:29.25 | Eclipser | so uh, is there any way to have lilo display the menu always without pressing anything... currently I have install=menu and delay=50 and timeout=50 and I have to press shift or caps lock to see the menu |
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| 14:30.36 | bibe | Eclipser : I have only 'timeout 5' (without the '=') and I can see the menu |
| 14:31.06 | omi | Hello, would anyone why when I ping a host I get a duplicate ping returned on the 1st try? |
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| 14:31.36 | POVaddct | Eclipser: lilo-option "prompt" is for that |
| 14:32.08 | Eclipser | humm |
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| 14:37.36 | phanter | how can i mount an ftp directory in the CML |
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| 14:41.56 | abrotman | phanter: in what? |
| 14:41.59 | nkuttler | phanter: install an ftp client? |
| 14:42.06 | iturk | i have changed my /etc/fstab and /etc/lili.conf about my new partions in disk but i get this message during but "unable to open initial console Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found try passing init=option to kernel |
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| 14:42.35 | iturk | -> /etc/lilo.conf i mean |
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| 14:43.07 | phanter | an ftp client will not help me mounting that directory or disk ! |
| 14:43.14 | iturk | should i inform more files when i all the time i try to add a new partion before root ??? |
| 14:43.15 | abrotman | !shfs |
| 14:43.15 | dpkg | it has been said that shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 14:43.37 | psychonate | or maybe lufs? |
| 14:44.07 | Brian_L | !lufs |
| 14:44.07 | dpkg | i heard lufs is a hybrid userspace file system framework, which allows you to mount into your file hierarchy a remote computer's file system, which is accessible by various means (ftp, ssh, etc.). See http://lufs.sourceforge.net/lufs/, or apt-cache show lufs-{source,utils} |
| 14:44.18 | phanter | abrotman, how do you mean in what? I just want to mount an ftp disk as a local disk. Do you know if that is possible? |
| 14:44.26 | abrotman | wtf is CML! |
| 14:44.49 | psychonate | phanter, it sounds like lufs can do that, but it might require some work heh |
| 14:44.58 | phanter | CML=commandline? |
| 14:45.11 | abrotman | !cli |
| 14:45.11 | dpkg | cli is, like, a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1 |
| 14:45.15 | iturk | in which file the init= command passed to kernel is especified ??? |
| 14:45.21 | abrotman | i don't konw anyone who calls it CML |
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| 14:45.51 | g0dz1` | hi all |
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| 14:46.00 | bibe | !hi g0dz1` |
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| 14:47.07 | g0dz1` | bibe, That? =) |
| 14:47.13 | virgomoon | Would it be possible (relatively easily) to make a DVD image out of an existing Sarge CD set? |
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| 14:47.44 | ke6isf | virgomoon: Why? Isn't there an existing Sarge DVD? |
| 14:47.49 | azeem | virgomoon: I think you can cat the .isos and then rsync over it, that should be relatively fast |
| 14:47.57 | virgomoon | well, yes, but I was trying to save the download time |
| 14:47.59 | azeem | cat them together in the right order, I mean |
| 14:48.09 | virgomoon | I've already got the CD |
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| 14:49.01 | bibe | g0dz1` : the bot (dpkg) should have greeted you, I think it's down |
| 14:49.19 | stew | !hi |
| 14:49.19 | dpkg | hello, stew |
| 14:49.26 | bibe | g0dz1` : it's not down... who knows? |
| 14:49.31 | virgomoon | rsync, huh .. interesting. I though there was like a different layout or such |
| 14:49.59 | g0dz1` | bibe, no |
| 14:50.01 | ke6isf | crud, can't remember how to pull up the literal. |
| 14:50.06 | virgomoon | I'll play around with it |
| 14:50.16 | azeem | virgomoon: well, I am not sure; but it is worth a try and I think I read comments to that end |
| 14:50.25 | virgomoon | thanks for the help .. gotta run to breakfast |
| 14:50.33 | virgomoon | azeem, ok, as long as you've seen it being possible |
| 14:50.38 | virgomoon | I'll dig further |
| 14:50.44 | g0dz1` | bibe, You speak in Russian? |
| 14:50.50 | ke6isf | !ru |
| 14:50.50 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 14:50.54 | Eclipser | POVaddct, thanks! |
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| 14:51.05 | bibe | g0dz1` : no, why? |
| 14:51.05 | virgomoon | I would think at least I could get jigdo to piece one togetehr |
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| 14:51.12 | virgomoon | l8r |
| 14:51.34 | fcn | I'm adding some commands at the end of ~/.xsess |
| 14:52.03 | fcn | I'm adding some commands at the end of ~/.xsession file, but commands doesn't work when I started wmaker. I'm using gdm. |
| 14:52.09 | g0dz1` | bibe, You speak in Russian? |
| 14:52.21 | azeem | fcn: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 14:52.28 | psychonate | Oh, my. I was browsing the lufs webpage, and apparently there is a "gnutellafs" ... |
| 14:52.45 | Gnea | fcn: they need to go at the beggining, and run in the background - the window manager always gets run last |
| 14:52.45 | stew | fcn: do you start wmaker in .xsession? did you put the commands after wmaker? |
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| 14:54.08 | fcn | stew, there is nothing about wmaker in .xsession |
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| 14:54.59 | mboso | anyone know a way to find out exactly what font xterm is using? |
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| 14:56.05 | mboso | :-) thank you |
| 14:56.08 | mboso | needed that |
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| 14:56.57 | fcn | moving them at the beginning of the file didn't work |
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| 14:57.47 | row | where do things like gaim/azurues get font settings from? |
| 14:57.56 | row | gtk theme settings? |
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| 14:58.44 | ubuntu | hola que tal . °! |
| 14:59.19 | azeem | ubuntu: this is an english-speaking channel |
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| 14:59.47 | marcelolaia | maxb, You are the best!!! Thank you very much. All is OK, now!!! I install it by hand. I have a litle dificult to find the correct directory for it, but, google solve this one. bye. |
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| 15:02.07 | stew | row: since azureus is java it would be getting its fonts from the fontconfig files in your jre's lib directory |
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| 15:05.21 | Llama | hi all |
| 15:05.53 | Llama | are there are any packager for sarge with latest wine ? |
| 15:06.14 | abrotman | !backports |
| 15:06.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 15:06.29 | himmelstrutz | I am unable to boot my freshly compiled kernel. grub just gives me a blank screen after choosing the to boot with the new kernel. I am about to do a harakiri. |
| 15:06.39 | abrotman | use the old kernel |
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| 15:06.59 | himmelstrutz | well, I do, but I want to use the new one... And can't understand whats wrong |
| 15:07.17 | abrotman | appparenrtly you selected the wrong options for your machine |
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| 15:07.47 | himmelstrutz | just what options? l |
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| 15:08.00 | himmelstrutz | there's like a million of options... |
| 15:08.08 | abrotman | himmelstrutz: it's your kernel .. i don't know how you configured it .. but you did it wrong apparently ... |
| 15:08.17 | abrotman | if you don't know how to compile a kernel .. don't |
| 15:08.20 | abrotman | !custom kernel |
| 15:08.20 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 15:08.22 | himmelstrutz | abrot: thats clear alright |
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| 15:09.16 | stew | himmelstrutz: my guess would be that you are trying to boot into a framebuffer mode on a kernel with no framebuffer support, try passing "vga=normal" to the kernel from the bootloader |
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| 15:10.15 | EtherNet_Work | does anybody know if is possible to .tar.gz different directories in a tape unit ? |
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| 15:10.55 | himmelstrutz | stew: can't do that, I'm already booting with vga=771. vga=normal wont even give me a display |
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| 15:11.29 | stew | himmelstrutz: did you compile in framebuffer support? |
| 15:11.32 | bibe | himmelstrutz : use vga=ask and pass the lowest possible "resolution" |
| 15:12.09 | stew | himmelstrutz: why can't you ditch the vga=771? |
| 15:12.31 | himmelstrutz | stew: cause vga=771 seems to be the only thing giving me a display |
| 15:13.32 | himmelstrutz | thanks all any way. I'll make a try again. |
| 15:13.41 | stew | huh? |
| 15:13.50 | amaia | spamassassin specialist, anyone? (i already tried the SA channel, no luck) |
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| 15:14.11 | stew | amaia: if you have an actual question, just ask it |
| 15:14.15 | psychonate | K3B still not back into testing again :( |
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| 15:16.12 | peppet | hi. my pcmcia umts modem (merlin u530) doesn't work anymore with kernel >= 2.6.12. I can connect to my isp but then connection is horribly slow or it hangs. |
| 15:16.12 | amaia | Stew: txs. SpamAssasssin doesn't allow for file definition of white-list ? |
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| 15:18.37 | manbox | still no one can tell me how to run something at os-start? |
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| 15:18.43 | manbox | by default |
| 15:18.47 | lkthomas | hey all, anyone know if I could use SCSI RAID card to run SCSI tape drive ? |
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| 15:19.30 | nixxie | manbox: its described in the debian reference manual, but try man update-rc.d |
| 15:19.45 | kspath | abrotman: 491 tech books 17,700 USD LOL |
| 15:19.52 | abrotman | lkthomas: depends on the card |
| 15:19.54 | nixxie | lkthomas, would depend on the raidcard, but im guessing it isnt |
| 15:19.56 | abrotman | kspath: did you buy them? |
| 15:20.05 | kspath | not yet |
| 15:20.14 | abrotman | lkthomas: you probably can .. |
| 15:20.15 | kspath | going to go through them a couple of times first |
| 15:20.17 | amaia | manbox: create a init.d script |
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| 15:20.38 | amaia | manbox: and create a link to rc3.d |
| 15:21.10 | kspath | that will give me a total of about 700 tech books not couting my engineering/physics/math library :-) |
| 15:21.43 | abrotman | kspath: that would give me .. about 492 :) |
| 15:21.46 | lkthomas | hmm, depends on card, hmm |
| 15:22.29 | abrotman | lkthomas: ideally .. it would be on the same cable as the rest of the RAID devices .. but not part of a raid LV |
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| 15:22.54 | kspath | I am a book person I like text/html/pdf books for searching but when reading/working/studying/researching I prefer to hold/own the ideas/information |
| 15:22.54 | abrotman | well .. maybe not ideally .. depends on your needs |
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| 15:23.14 | abrotman | kspath: i just stopped reading .. :) |
| 15:23.46 | abrotman | kspath: i just come here .. and ween knowledge from stew's vast knowledge base |
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| 15:23.53 | lkthomas | abrotman: just wondering if it could be happen, hmm |
| 15:24.03 | stew | hah |
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| 15:24.42 | xaxes|free | afk |
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| 15:24.55 | Knight_Lord | kspath i completely agree with you |
| 15:24.58 | abrotman | can rootJoey not speak ? |
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| 15:25.15 | lkthomas | anyone have experience on LTO1 tape drive too ? |
| 15:25.15 | abrotman | kspath: no .. i actually do prefer printed materials .. i just don't buy them much anymore |
| 15:25.25 | abrotman | it's a tape drive! |
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| 15:25.40 | abrotman | are you having a problem with it ? |
| 15:25.50 | tuulroy | How do I change a sarge system from fixed IP to DHCP? |
| 15:25.53 | kspath | mt command? |
| 15:26.00 | stew | tuulroy: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 15:26.01 | abrotman | !tell tuulroy about interfaces |
| 15:26.05 | Knight_Lord | abrotman i don't buy much, but for example all the scientific articles i read, i print them first |
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| 15:26.32 | Knight_Lord | tuulroy change the inet static to inet dhcp in interfaces |
| 15:26.38 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: that's great for 20 page articles .. i once thought about printing the pgsql manual .. called kinkos .. i think they quoted me .. $80USD |
| 15:26.57 | kspath | I have had a subscription to Scientific American almost non-stop for about 25 years I think |
| 15:26.59 | Knight_Lord | abrotman yea that's a problem |
| 15:27.22 | Skrot | Which xlibs are the appropriate when installing KDE from source in debian sid? I read something about xlibs being gone from unstable :] |
| 15:27.27 | deadline | what port should be LISTENING if a nfs server is working correctly with the default port config? |
| 15:27.36 | bizkit | 18 |
| 15:27.40 | Knight_Lord | deadline depends |
| 15:27.49 | Knight_Lord | deadcat it's portmap stuff |
| 15:27.51 | kspath | a good LARGE LCD set to a good resultion and put at book level and book angle can be almost as good |
| 15:27.56 | Knight_Lord | deadline it's portmap stuff |
| 15:28.01 | lkthomas | anyone have experience on tape drive ?! |
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| 15:28.22 | deadline | Knight_Lord: ok, let me ask in another way: nfs-common is the server startscript? |
| 15:28.36 | bizkit | deadline: ignore me, i just wanted to switch to window 18 in irssi but forgot the slash :) |
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| 15:28.48 | mrjive | deadline: /etc/services says 2049 |
| 15:28.52 | abrotman | !punish bizkit for missing the / |
| 15:28.58 | Knight_Lord | deadline you can get the port by rpcinfo -p localhost on the server |
| 15:29.02 | deadline | bizkit: lol |
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| 15:29.19 | bizkit | abrotman: hehe :-) |
| 15:29.24 | Knight_Lord | deadline i think the script is from nfs-kernel-server for example but i don't know for sure |
| 15:29.39 | deadline | what package would i need to install for the server? |
| 15:29.49 | abrotman | apt-cache search nfs server |
| 15:29.53 | Knight_Lord | deadline nfs-kernel-server for the kernel server |
| 15:30.03 | Knight_Lord | deadline kernel server usually gives best performance |
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| 15:31.18 | manbox | thx a bundle amaia nixxie!! no i have smth to go on |
| 15:31.25 | manbox | now^^ |
| 15:31.40 | nixxie | np |
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| 15:31.47 | deadline | Knight_Lord: merci |
| 15:32.45 | Rarj | ! |
| 15:32.48 | kspath | does budweiser keep a stable full of elephants? |
| 15:32.53 | deadline | is there a way to reduce the delay time when mounting huge nfs partitions? |
| 15:32.54 | Knight_Lord | deadline you're welcome |
| 15:33.11 | Knight_Lord | deadline the mounting time doesn't depend on the size of the nfs partition |
| 15:33.20 | nixxie | is american beer that bad?:P |
| 15:33.25 | Knight_Lord | deadline mine has 5TB and is instantaneous |
| 15:33.44 | Knight_Lord | nixxie yes |
| 15:33.51 | thingfish | mass-produced american beer is, yes. american microbreweries turn out some very nice stuff, though. |
| 15:34.08 | kspath | most mass produced stuff can suffer |
| 15:34.10 | stew | !beersmite nixxie |
| 15:34.14 | nixxie | *shrughs* |
| 15:34.19 | deadline | Knight_Lord: how come its taking so long time then? |
| 15:34.32 | Knight_Lord | deadline there are many possible ways to screw it up |
| 15:34.44 | Knight_Lord | deadline what do you mean by taking so long? |
| 15:34.46 | abrotman | nixxie: the typical mass produced beer(Coors,Bud, Miller,etc) .. are usually pretty bad |
| 15:34.59 | thingfish | yes. very. |
| 15:35.00 | nixxie | i dont think i ever drank american beer |
| 15:35.03 | Knight_Lord | deadline and how does your export file looks like? |
| 15:35.09 | kspath | if your goal is to stand over the toilet using the towel rack as your drool cup than a case of budweiser can work great |
| 15:35.10 | nixxie | is it worse than heineken? |
| 15:35.14 | abrotman | nixxie: no |
| 15:35.15 | thingfish | yes |
| 15:35.18 | abrotman | err wait .. yes |
| 15:35.19 | Knight_Lord | abrotman on the other hand Carlsberg is pretty decent |
| 15:35.28 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: i like yuengling! |
| 15:35.29 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:35.30 | nixxie | well i dont really like heineken either |
| 15:35.31 | thingfish | not that I think heineken is all that great. |
| 15:35.55 | nixxie | i prefer white beer but i donno if its availabe abroad at all.. like Das or Hoegaarden |
| 15:36.00 | deadline | Knight_Lord: /dir <ip>(ro,secure) |
| 15:36.07 | abrotman | nixxie: for the standard mass produced american beer .. think .. Heineken .. but no flavor .. and lower alcohol per bottle |
| 15:36.12 | kspath | yeast bier? |
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| 15:36.14 | Knight_Lord | nixxie you mean wheat beer? |
| 15:36.20 | abrotman | nixxie: i drink hoegaarden here |
| 15:36.27 | Knight_Lord | deadline secure can really kill you |
| 15:36.28 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: there are white and wheat |
| 15:36.34 | nixxie | i guess knight:) its called white in holland |
| 15:36.34 | deadline | Knight_Lord: why |
| 15:36.37 | bibe | nixxie : Hoegaarden is almost commonly available here in Italy |
| 15:36.41 | deadline | abrotman: and WEED |
| 15:36.43 | Knight_Lord | deadline performancewise i mean |
| 15:36.48 | abrotman | !smack dead |
| 15:36.51 | abrotman | bah |
| 15:36.55 | deadline | lol |
| 15:37.09 | deadline | Knight_Lord: oh ok. you would suggest not to use secure? |
| 15:37.19 | Knight_Lord | deadline but what you mean by taking forever? 5s 10s 10min? |
| 15:37.21 | abrotman | nixxie: i've been told oyu can sample some of our crappier beers abroad ... though i don't know which or where |
| 15:37.28 | Knight_Lord | deadline if it's internal network i suggest not to use secure |
| 15:37.47 | Knight_Lord | deadline nfs is filled with holes anyway secure is not gonna save you if the environment is hostile |
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| 15:38.03 | kspath | my internal network SUCKS |
| 15:38.15 | abrotman | kspath: maybe that's why you're unemployed ? :) |
| 15:38.16 | deadline | Knight_Lord: about 5 minutes |
| 15:38.20 | nixxie | lol |
| 15:38.26 | kspath | I think I get 5Kbits/sec between my right and left hemispheres |
| 15:38.28 | Knight_Lord | deadline but it does work or not? |
| 15:38.54 | Knight_Lord | kspath i wonder how you can see stereoscopically |
| 15:38.55 | kspath | abrotman: oh my ethernet net is fine |
| 15:39.18 | abrotman | kspath: did your token get lost again ? |
| 15:39.28 | kspath | lol |
| 15:39.35 | kspath | token ring? nice funny |
| 15:39.38 | deadline | Knight_Lord: it works yes |
| 15:39.54 | Knight_Lord | deadline any strange message in the nfs server while mounting? |
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| 15:40.20 | deadline | Knight_Lord: no |
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| 15:40.53 | kspath | one of the zeros got stuck longwise blocking a whole load of ones and zeros I tried squeezing the cable and oiling it NOTHING why is my debian doing this?!?!?! |
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| 15:41.26 | Knight_Lord | deadline i suggest you try insecure,async,ro,no_subtree_check |
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| 15:41.40 | Knight_Lord | deadline and see how ti performs |
| 15:41.52 | Knight_Lord | deadline you can tighten it up from there on if you wish |
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| 15:41.59 | deadline | Knight_Lord: ok, thanks |
| 15:42.06 | Muffie | Kde 3.5 is available for unstable? dist-upgrade should now download it? |
| 15:42.32 | cheal | Muffie: #debian-kde |
| 15:42.42 | tr1gg3r | Muffie, not all of it yet |
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| 15:43.04 | NOthsouth | how can I search for files on terminal ? |
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| 15:43.13 | goron | Is there jack for oss? |
| 15:43.14 | Muffie | tr1gg3r, I have read something at Kanotix web page. Saying that SID now already have 3.5 |
| 15:43.16 | Eulex | NOthsouth, man find, man locate |
| 15:43.18 | Knight_Lord | NOthsouth find and locate |
| 15:43.19 | NOthsouth | locate don't look everything |
| 15:43.28 | kspath | my ethernet is not working well I have my ethernet cables draped across the flourescent lights on the ceiling |
| 15:43.29 | NOthsouth | :) |
| 15:43.34 | Knight_Lord | NOthsouth you have to run updatedb before running locate |
| 15:43.38 | kspath | jk |
| 15:43.40 | Eulex | NOthsouth, then you need to update its database with updatedb |
| 15:43.58 | tr1gg3r | Muffie, upload is in progress, but it is not all there as of earlier today |
| 15:44.42 | NOthsouth | how..i don't know about that |
| 15:44.45 | Muffie | tr1gg3r, You're the maintainer? Do you have an idea about how long this process should take? |
| 15:44.56 | Knight_Lord | NOthsouth run "updatedb" as root |
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| 15:45.12 | NOthsouth | and than ? |
| 15:45.21 | Knight_Lord | NOthsouth then run locate |
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| 15:45.35 | clojster | do nvidia display drivers package works on Xorg 6.9.0? |
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| 15:45.42 | tr1gg3r | Muffie, no im not, but i use sid and kde, i would expect it to be done in a day or 2, but again im not the maintainer |
| 15:45.57 | tr1gg3r | clojster, yes |
| 15:46.32 | Muffie | tr1gg3r, ok. Thanks. |
| 15:46.36 | tr1gg3r | np |
| 15:46.49 | clojster | tr1gg3r: thanks... I'm going to test it again... last time I tried that, it didn't work |
| 15:47.36 | Frem | Hey, I have a sort of strange problem. On this system, and, afaik, this system only, ZSNES won't respond to more then two keys at a time. This makes it impossible to play games where you must hold a boost button while jumping. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 15:47.44 | tr1gg3r | clojster, np, im using it now, and ive had no trouble since 6.9 came out |
| 15:47.47 | goron | Why are mozilla-mplayer mplayer-k6 removed when I do apt-get install jackd? |
| 15:47.53 | goron | That doesn't make sense to me. |
| 15:48.02 | abrotman | goron: they conflict .. probably based on a library |
| 15:48.24 | clojster | tr1gg3r: maybe something went wrong with that nvidia's xorg-conf |
| 15:48.39 | goron | abrotman: so, it's either I have mplayer or jackd but not both? |
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| 15:49.06 | abrotman | goron: well .. look at the depends for mplayer .. and for jackd .. and then look at conflicts for any libraries |
| 15:50.17 | Muffie | its impossible to have flgrx direct rendering enabled inside Xorg 6.9? |
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| 15:50.40 | abrotman | Muffie: ask #ati |
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| 15:51.21 | Skrot | What's the names of the replacementpackages of xlibs-dev afain? |
| 15:51.22 | Muffie | abrotman, man, I confess that this kind of answer is kind of frustating. |
| 15:51.23 | Skrot | again* |
| 15:51.33 | goron | abrotman: It seems that mplayer depends on libjack0.8, and that jackd wil deinstall the old library and install a new one. But I don't think they are incompatible. |
| 15:51.45 | goron | although apt thinks so. |
| 15:51.46 | NOthsouth | Knight_Lord, so everytime i install something i need run updatedb right ? |
| 15:51.54 | NOthsouth | Knight_Lord, thx :) |
| 15:52.01 | abrotman | goron: is jackd done in C++ ? |
| 15:52.11 | goron | abrotman: no idea |
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| 15:52.20 | Knight_Lord | NOthsouth if you want find to work |
| 15:52.28 | Knight_Lord | NOthsouth i mean locate |
| 15:52.29 | abrotman | goron: etch ? |
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| 15:52.41 | NOthsouth | Knight_Lord, :) |
| 15:53.08 | goron | abrotman: unstable |
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| 15:53.43 | stew | goron: marillat has mplayer compiled against libjack-0.100 |
| 15:53.55 | goron | stew: ty |
| 15:53.58 | blaamann | Need help: My /usr partition is filling up, any suggestion for what to do ? |
| 15:54.04 | abrotman | goron: libc6 versioning .. and it still could be C++ .. but it looks like you should upgrade jackd .. then mess with mplayer |
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| 15:55.20 | stew | goron: are you using marillat? if so which repository? |
| 15:55.32 | bibe | blaamann : do you have many source packages under /usr/src? |
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| 15:56.16 | goron | stew: I was using stable the last time I used it. I changed it to unstable, wild guess, which didn't work. Now, I am looking for the right repo. |
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| 15:57.01 | stew | goron: not unstable but sid |
| 15:57.18 | goron | Would it be correct to state that not everybody caught up with the GPG key thing? |
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| 15:57.30 | goron | (i.e. 3rd parties) |
| 15:57.41 | stew | goron: which gpg thing? |
| 15:57.45 | bibe | blaamann : I'd suggest you to take a look at 'du -shc /usr/*', find out which directory trees take up much space and consider moving those directories to another partition (e.g., /home), then symlink to the new partition |
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| 15:57.46 | stew | goron: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 15:58.00 | goron | stew: no, this is another server. |
| 15:58.07 | goron | stew: deb http://mirror.noreply.org/pub/tor/ unstable main |
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| 15:58.20 | blaamann | bibe: Thanks, I thought about symlinking as well but did not know if that was a good solution |
| 15:58.33 | stew | goron: no that one is signed |
| 15:58.42 | stew | goron: http://mirror.noreply.org/pub/tor/dists/sid/Release.gpg |
| 15:58.59 | goron | stew: Hmm, then why doesn't it work? |
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| 15:59.14 | goron | stew: Or do I have to manually set the key somewhere? |
| 15:59.29 | bibe | blaamann : you can even consider using a new partition for /usr/bigdir/ |
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| 15:59.39 | Skrot | Can anyone tell me which package I should install instead of xlibs-dev (debian unstabile)? |
| 15:59.39 | goron | W: GPG error: http://mirror.noreply.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY CFF71CB3AFA44BDD |
| 15:59.51 | flask- | Does anyone here know how to add a command-line option to the invocation of the debian installation of pure-ftpd? |
| 15:59.52 | blaamann | bibe: Two large directories, 1023M /usr/lib and 936M /usr/share |
| 15:59.57 | linuxdeb | hi, when I try to execute any windows aplication on wine it says: |
| 16:00.00 | linuxdeb | wine: error while loading shared libraries: libwine.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:00.18 | linuxdeb | any suggestion??? |
| 16:00.28 | stew | goron: /msg dpkg apt-key AFA44BDD |
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| 16:01.04 | blaamann | bibe: You mean I should make a new partition, using e.g gparted ? |
| 16:01.17 | goron | stew: uh, who do I trust then? |
| 16:01.32 | bibe | blaamann : I would move /usr/share to another partition |
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| 16:01.46 | goron | subkeys.pgp.net? |
| 16:02.16 | blaamann | bibe: OK, I will move it to my home partition and then symlink it. I think that is the easiest thing to do |
| 16:02.36 | bibe | blaamann : do it in single user mode, it's safer |
| 16:02.56 | stew | hmm do we have a factoid that explains how to check a trust path? |
| 16:03.01 | goron | "gpg: Go ahead and type your message ..." |
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| 16:03.15 | cheal | Skrot: how can we guess? |
| 16:03.27 | goron | What message? I don't want to send a message. |
| 16:03.32 | meursault | hi guys - has anyone used gtkpod before? |
| 16:03.34 | stew | goron: what command did you type? |
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| 16:03.40 | blaamann | bibe: Single user meaning I should boot into safe mode (or whatever that boot option is called). Or how can I change run level ? |
| 16:03.46 | Skrot | cheal: I dunno, I thought maybe there was a general replacement |
| 16:03.48 | goron | stew: I selected the command you gave. |
| 16:03.58 | goron | stew: and exectuted it in a shell. |
| 16:04.04 | cheal | Skrot: there is none |
| 16:04.09 | stew | goron: gpg --recv-keys AFA44BDD ? |
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| 16:04.26 | goron | stew: I didn't do that. |
| 16:04.32 | goron | stew: I did the dpkg thing. |
| 16:04.38 | bibe | blaamann : use 'init 1' or 'init S' |
| 16:04.40 | Skrot | cheal: I see, so when i try to install something from source which depends on x headers and libraries I'm screwed? ;) |
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| 16:05.11 | stew | !apt-key AFA44BDD |
| 16:05.18 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys AFA44BDD ; gpg --export AFA44BDD | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 16:05.19 | goron | stew: ok, I received the key now. |
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| 16:05.44 | goron | stew: gpg |
| 16:05.45 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.54 | goron | stew: I get the message when I execute that., |
| 16:06.25 | blaamann | bibe: thanks |
| 16:06.26 | cheal | Skrot: something is vague |
| 16:06.36 | Skrot | cheal: KDE |
| 16:06.56 | cheal | Skrot: ask #debian-kde |
| 16:07.06 | Skrot | cheal: I did, they answered with "another -dev package". :) |
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| 16:07.37 | bibe | blaamann : no problem |
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| 16:08.13 | cheal | Skrot: ask them for details |
| 16:08.22 | stew | goron: there is absolutly no way that "gpg --export AFA44BDD" should tell you "go ahead and type your message" |
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| 16:08.29 | clojster | is it possible to change the default Xorg starting background from that "striped gray" to something else? How? |
| 16:08.34 | Skrot | I sort of did, but I think I found it. libx11-dev seems to work |
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| 16:11.13 | stew | clojster: not without editing the source |
| 16:11.38 | clojster | stew: aww... that's what I was afraid of... |
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| 16:12.18 | stew | Skrot: http://wiki.debian.org/DependsXlibsDev |
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| 16:12.48 | Skrot | stew: Thanks :) |
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| 16:14.23 | goron | stew: newline problem |
| 16:14.44 | pequeno | alex vc e viado |
| 16:14.50 | abrotman | !br |
| 16:14.51 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:14.57 | thingfish | sou tambem. |
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| 16:15.15 | pequeno | vc vai da o cuuuuuuuuuuuu |
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| 16:15.35 | sancho__ | what package provides 'make'? |
| 16:15.37 | solemnwarning | hi all |
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| 16:15.56 | goron | stew: and for the mirillat server? |
| 16:15.57 | abrotman | sancho__: install build-essential |
| 16:16.04 | solemnwarning | how can i setup XFree86 + KDE to use 2 monitors the same way they are used under winshite? |
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| 16:16.43 | sancho__ | abrotman: thought so, but I end up with "E: Broken packages" error. |
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| 16:16.51 | abrotman | why is that? |
| 16:16.57 | sancho__ | Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or libc-dev |
| 16:16.58 | abrotman | did oyu mix? are you running unstable ? |
| 16:16.59 | bibe | solemnwarning : google for xinerama, it's a XFree86 setting |
| 16:17.11 | solemnwarning | k |
| 16:17.12 | Daveman | hey abrotman :) |
| 16:17.13 | sancho__ | abrotman - probably mixed, yes. |
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| 16:17.54 | sancho__ | abrotman: sources.list has some lines for testing and unstable package sources as well... |
| 16:18.30 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 16:18.34 | Estes2 | Hi everyone :) I got a connection throught nfs to a server (i own it) i am unable to write anything to it from the client, even as root, anyone could help me please ? |
| 16:18.39 | abrotman | sancho__: well .. sounds broken .. run apt-get update first |
| 16:18.40 | jelly | !bakerman |
| 16:18.47 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 16:18.47 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 16:18.47 | Estes2 | (First time i deal with NFS) |
| 16:18.50 | Estes2 | abrotman, Hi ! |
| 16:18.52 | Estes2 | :) |
| 16:18.58 | abrotman | hi |
| 16:19.06 | Estes2 | drbd works fine |
| 16:19.08 | jelly | dpkg, bakerman is is making bread. |
| 16:19.08 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 16:19.22 | jelly | That was my evil deed for the day. |
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| 16:20.11 | stew | goron: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 16:21.06 | kspath | I always get emotional after a really good egrep |
| 16:21.29 | jelly | kspath: go smoke one, we won't mind. |
| 16:21.29 | sancho__ | kspath: regex are a beautiful thing ;) |
| 16:21.32 | goron | stew: did someone make a mistake to require such user intervention or is it by design? |
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| 16:23.25 | stew | goron: it is by design, so that you can check the trust paths to these keys manually |
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| 16:24.46 | goron | stew: PGP has a distributed trust system, right? |
| 16:24.47 | solemnwarning | :\ |
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| 16:24.59 | solemnwarning | anyone know howto setup dual head? |
| 16:25.25 | goron | !dual head |
| 16:25.44 | bobbens | solemnwarning: depends on your card, but read http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=03/10/05/025207&tid=13&tid=39&tid=23&tid=99 |
| 16:25.47 | goron | Fill that entry when you know the answer ;) |
| 16:25.48 | centrx | solemnwarning, i do not but i would be there's a HOWTO on it |
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| 16:28.14 | abrotman | solemnwarning: which card .. and which driver? |
| 16:28.27 | solemnwarning | nVidia GeForce 6 N6600 |
| 16:28.31 | solemnwarning | nvidia driver |
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| 16:28.45 | abrotman | then you would take your proprietary crap to #nvidia and ask them |
| 16:28.53 | solemnwarning | -_- |
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| 16:29.03 | solemnwarning | if its crap why is it in the debian repos? |
| 16:29.35 | abrotman | there's other crap in debian too .. like kde :) |
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| 16:29.54 | kspath | and gnome? |
| 16:30.23 | solemnwarning | KDE :D |
| 16:30.37 | abrotman | solemnwarning: i'm serious .. ask #nvidia .. it's thier damn driver |
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| 16:30.47 | candyban | Hi guys |
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| 16:31.57 | candyban | I'm trying to install debian on a Dell PowerEdge 2300 ... but it does not recognize the RAID controller ... is it not supported or am I doing something wrong? |
| 16:32.16 | stew | candyban: have you tried the 2.6 install kernel? |
| 16:32.35 | candyban | It's a P3 450 (nothing fancy) ... yes, I tried both 2.4 and 2.6 install (3.1r1A) |
| 16:32.50 | petemc | candyban: theres a debian dell iso, first hit on google for debian dell |
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| 16:33.03 | oz__ | hu. |
| 16:33.13 | candyban | petemc: ok. Thanks, I'll go google then |
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| 16:35.31 | abrotman | !moo |
| 16:35.31 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 16:35.44 | kspath | !ewe |
| 16:35.44 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 16:36.13 | mboso | anyone know a good network browsing program other than linnetwork? |
| 16:36.28 | kspath | lol windblowz notwerk? |
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| 16:37.02 | mboso | samba/share browser |
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| 16:37.16 | thingfish | mboso: Applications>Network Servers (in gnome) works great on my little lan. |
| 16:37.44 | mboso | thingfish: hmmm, i use xfce. i was hoping for a standalone app |
| 16:38.42 | pipeline | mboso: Anything out there is going to be older than shit. |
| 16:38.57 | oz__ | mboso: network browsing? |
| 16:38.57 | pipeline | mboso: Functions that have been integrated into gnome tend not to be duplicated in standalone GTK applications. |
| 16:39.00 | mboso | pipeline: yeah, i've been looking around, and that seem to be the case |
| 16:39.03 | oz__ | firefox!!! |
| 16:39.09 | oz__ | so easy. ;) |
| 16:39.19 | pipeline | oz__: Firefox does CIFS / SMB browsing? |
| 16:39.33 | krystalino | pipeline, i don't think |
| 16:39.41 | oz__ | pipeline: just write the smb:// plugin. |
| 16:39.41 | pipeline | krystalino: I know it doesn't. I was being an ass. |
| 16:39.47 | pitillo | is there a netinstall image for sid? |
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| 16:39.54 | oz__ | pipeline: smbclient is a good program for that. |
| 16:39.55 | pipeline | pitillo: If you have to ask... |
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| 16:40.02 | pipeline | oz__: smbclient is horrible |
| 16:40.13 | oz__ | pipeline: it is super |
| 16:40.14 | pitillo | dpkg didnt sayid me nothing about sid... |
| 16:40.22 | oz__ | you can even reboot the boxes with it |
| 16:40.25 | pequeno | meu ovo |
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| 16:40.38 | mboso | I do most things from the command line, but browsing my network from the CL is like pissing blood. |
| 16:40.38 | oz__ | you just need a lil clue. ;) |
| 16:40.57 | oz__ | mboso: I guess the problem is a pebcak? ;) |
| 16:40.59 | pitillo | pipeline, what if I need to ask? |
| 16:41.11 | mboso | pebcak? |
| 16:41.12 | pipeline | pitillo: If you have to ask, you shouldn't be doing it. That's the rule of thumb about sid. |
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| 16:41.26 | oz__ | konqueror brwoser smb, too, iirc |
| 16:41.27 | pipeline | mboso: smbclient sucks independently of the fact that it is a command line client. It just sucks all around. |
| 16:41.55 | pipeline | mboso: I think thunar cvs might do halfassed network browsing. It will, however, not be very nice :P |
| 16:41.56 | Knight_Lord | I have a really weird problem. /dev/md0 is not showing up in df |
| 16:41.56 | pitillo | pipeline, I need to ask because I didnt born with all knowedge |
| 16:42.06 | botsy | hi all |
| 16:42.10 | pipeline | pitillo: No, you needed to ask because you shouldn't be fooling with sid :| |
| 16:42.14 | oz__ | pipeline: if I were you, I'd give it a 2nd chance... |
| 16:42.16 | Knight_Lord | I mounted it on /homes but it still doesn't show up |
| 16:42.20 | oz__ | it's so neat a program |
| 16:42.30 | botsy | with partimage it's poosible i make a backup of all the disk and not just a partition ? |
| 16:42.37 | mboso | pipeline: is network browsing in thundar a feature that's planned to be added in the future? |
| 16:42.39 | oz__ | when the samba is configured correctly. ;) |
| 16:42.40 | pipeline | oz__: It's as thin a shell around the library as possible. |
| 16:42.44 | pitillo | pipeline, I have 2 years working with sid... I didnt understand you |
| 16:42.45 | bgood | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.48 | mboso | thundar=thunar |
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| 16:43.12 | pipeline | mboso: Oh, it doesn't have it now? |
| 16:43.46 | mboso | pipeline: i asked earlier, and someone said no. i haven't tried it out. |
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| 16:43.52 | botsy | yes .. no ? |
| 16:44.12 | pitillo | pipeline, the only way I know to install sid is by the expert way in the install... I dont know if the netinstall cd or floppy images let me do that, this is the reason I ask, to ensure that before I try to reinstall it |
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| 16:44.35 | samuel | sup all |
| 16:44.58 | samuel | anyone know what program i may use to download and store rtsp streams? |
| 16:45.16 | sancho__ | is it ok, bad, or indifferent to mix stable/testing or stable/unstable on a debian system? |
| 16:45.18 | Meltir | hi ppl. im getting unsatisfied deps when installing k3b. ideas anyone ? aptitude wants to flush half the stuff i have and need when im using it - so id rather find a nice apt-get install solution |
| 16:46.20 | pipeline | pitillo: Why would you want to reinstall it ? :P |
| 16:46.27 | pipeline | sancho__: Very, very, very, very bad. |
| 16:46.47 | pipeline | sancho__: Mixing testing and unstable usually works. Mixing stable and testing almost never works. |
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| 16:47.06 | sancho__ | pipeline: can you elaborate? and do you know if this is documented specifically somewhere? |
| 16:47.42 | pipeline | sancho__: the biggest thing is new libc versions. Packages from testing will almost certainly depend on a newer libc. |
| 16:48.21 | Meltir | and can somebody please tell me whats this about "package source uncertain", and "packets cant be verified" crap ? im using official deb mirrors :/ |
| 16:48.24 | pipeline | sancho__: Have you tried looking for whatever it is you need on backports.org ? |
| 16:48.37 | sancho__ | pipeline: and libc versions can't coexist happily? |
| 16:48.53 | sancho__ | pipeline: haven't ever heard of backport.org... |
| 16:48.54 | pipeline | sancho__: Only major revisions. e.g. libc5 and libc6. Point releases will not. |
| 16:49.09 | botsy | with partimage anybosy know if it's possible ii make a backup of all the disk and not just a partition ? |
| 16:49.11 | azeem | sancho__: it's better to use backports.org than to mix stable with testing/unstable |
| 16:49.21 | pipeline | sancho__: Backports.org packages aren't as well-tested as the genuine article, but they're better than doing without. |
| 16:49.30 | samuel | anyone know what program i may use to download and store rtsp streams? |
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| 16:49.43 | pipeline | botsy: If you're backing up the disk, just copy the entire block device? |
| 16:50.04 | pipeline | samuel: google |
| 16:50.24 | pipeline | samuel: I found multiple programs on the first page after searching for "rtsp streams" |
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| 16:50.58 | pitillo | pipeline, I broke all gl/mesa libraries, I made a change in it to make it work with Xfree, and now, I have Xorg... And there isn?t a way to restore these and the problems grown, Im thinking in chage another time to stable version or change to crux |
| 16:51.00 | botsy | pipeline ... what ? you want i make partimage /dev/hda ? it's that ? |
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| 16:51.52 | pipeline | botsy: I meant literally dd if=/dev/hda ... |
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| 16:52.06 | botsy | ha yes with dd .. |
| 16:52.07 | pipeline | pitillo: Oh man. You DID screw up :P |
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| 16:52.26 | pipeline | pitillo: Go back. Use /etc/apt/preferences to make stable packages override everything else, then do a dist-upgrade. |
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| 16:52.50 | pipeline | pitillo: warning: That may not actually work. Downgrades are kinda dangerous :| |
| 16:52.52 | botsy | before i use this method but it's so long and so big for backupserver (because dd save and compress in same times ) ... |
| 16:53.00 | pitillo | pipeline, I take note of that solution,... |
| 16:53.17 | pipeline | botsy: dd is a lot faster if you supply a reasonable "bs" (blocksize) argument. |
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| 16:53.38 | oz__ | but I'd rather use partimage instead of dd |
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| 16:53.55 | pipeline | pitillo: This page has very bad advice, but it explains the format of the preferences file. http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 16:54.02 | pitillo | pipeline, jajajajaa I dont like distupgrades and I down know anyything about downgrades... The fact is than I need to remake a partition to crux, then I?ll reinstall |
| 16:54.14 | Kovecses | how do i resize my swap? |
| 16:54.16 | pipeline | pitillo: You shoudn't need to reinstall o_0 |
| 16:54.25 | pitillo | *down dont |
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| 16:54.45 | botsy | pipeline, ok but if i use dd i don't use partimage it's that ? |
| 16:54.47 | pipeline | Kovecses: That depends. |
| 16:54.57 | pipeline | botsy: I don't know. My "dd" suggestion was sort of facetious anyway :| |
| 16:55.00 | pipeline | botsy: Why aren't you just using tar? |
| 16:55.15 | pipeline | botsy: You can stream tar through an ssh pipe across the network, and tar is a wonderful backup tool. |
| 16:55.27 | pipeline | Kovecses: Are you making it bigger or smaller? Do you have a swap file, or a swap partition? |
| 16:55.34 | stew | you cannot downgrade from sid to stable without reinstalling |
| 16:55.42 | pipeline | Kovecses: If you just want to make it bigger, don't worry about it: just add more. |
| 16:55.48 | pipeline | stew: He's just downgrading a handful of packages. |
| 16:56.18 | m0rbid | =O |
| 16:56.23 | m0rbid | They fixed yaird!? |
| 16:56.28 | pitillo | pipeline, I think that distupgrade and any downgrading is make the system more inestable |
| 16:56.30 | Kovecses | pipeline, well i went with the default partiton scheme that the debian installer suggested.. i think that it set up a swap partition |
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| 16:56.47 | botsy | pipeline, if you prefer i have a room with 10 pc and i have one backup by computer i don't want to make many times for backup and restore all ... just i had think it's possible to make a backup with partimage |
| 16:56.51 | stew | pipeline: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 16:56.53 | botsy | thank |
| 16:56.54 | Kovecses | pipeline, but it gave me 2.5 gigs and thats too big |
| 16:56.55 | stew | pitillo: ^^^ |
| 16:57.15 | pipeline | Kovecses: Well, take the swap offline, then use a partition editor to make the swap partition smaller. |
| 16:57.21 | pitillo | I prefer to make another time the installation with xorg directly, |
| 16:57.26 | pipeline | Kovecses: then run "mkswap" on the new, smaller partition. |
| 16:57.42 | pitillo | stew, its only my opinion |
| 16:57.44 | pipeline | pitillo: Seriously, it's a bad idea to mix stable and unstable. |
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| 16:57.56 | Kovecses | pipeline, ok sounds good |
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| 16:58.34 | pipeline | Kovecses: Are you hoping to make your other filesystems larger? Because that makes things hard. It's a bad idea to edit the partitions of running filesystems. |
| 16:58.47 | pipeline | Kovecses: If you want to do that, you'll probably want to find a rescue CD or something to do it with. |
| 16:58.48 | Wanderer | crap, looks like kopete is screwed up again |
| 16:58.50 | pitillo | pipeline, I reinstall the stable version, with lastest kernel I have the support I need, with that reinstallation I?ll resize the partition and then install crux, |
| 16:58.53 | Wanderer | as the 3.5 migration started? |
| 16:59.01 | pipeline | Kovecses: BTW, an "easy" partition editor is cfdisk. |
| 16:59.01 | Kovecses | pipeline, yeah ... i may just leave it for now |
| 16:59.09 | pipeline | pitillo: What the hell is crux? |
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| 16:59.41 | pipeline | Kovecses: Hang on, let me see if I wrote down anything about how to do that. |
| 16:59.50 | pitillo | pipeline, another distro... I read about and ports make resolution of dependencies better than apt and aptitude |
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| 17:00.00 | pipeline | pitillo: We don't do things that aren't debian here. |
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| 17:00.23 | pitillo | pipeline, true I know |
| 17:00.25 | sancho__ | pipeline: i suspect what's happened on our system is we've merged in something from unstable which required updated libc. now large portions of the packages that we install are coming out of unstable and testing. Sound like this is a symptom of mixing stable/unstable/testing? will it result in our systems predominantly "becoming" unstable/testing? |
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| 17:00.32 | pipeline | Kovecses: Damn, no dice. I think that it is, in theory, possible to do this online. But it's a bad idea. You're going to want to get a rescue disk. |
| 17:00.44 | Kovecses | apt handles dependencies better than portage i can tell you that |
| 17:00.55 | verso | HELP! i'm a loot n00b... somebody can help me? |
| 17:00.59 | pipeline | sancho__: You're pretty screwed. I would just bite the bullet and upgrade to testing rather than try to mix. :| |
| 17:01.05 | bibe | Wanderer : 'apt-cache policy kdebase' tells me that sid already ships kde 3.5.0 |
| 17:01.12 | stew | sancho__: you don't ever want to mix stable with non-stable, your now either should fully upgrade to testing (/msg dpkg stable->testing) or reinstall stable |
| 17:01.28 | oz__ | bibe: hu? |
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| 17:01.39 | oz__ | i installed that yesterday and it was 3.4? |
| 17:01.39 | stew | sancho__: in the future if you need pacakges not yet available on stable use a backport: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:01.40 | Kovecses | stable is the best bet : ) |
| 17:01.50 | Kovecses | rock solif |
| 17:01.52 | samuel | even with the "-i" option i notice that sometimes debfoster doesnt "see" packages that from looking at the description should be asked about if they are not in the keepers file, apollon is one such package, and many libs are there as well... is this a bug? |
| 17:01.52 | Kovecses | rock solid |
| 17:01.57 | verso | i want to install some distro on one really old laptop but really nice.. |
| 17:01.58 | Kovecses | brb |
| 17:01.59 | Wanderer | bibe, nice, hadn't seen that cmd yet |
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| 17:02.06 | Wanderer | but I agree with oz |
| 17:02.06 | stew | verso: /msg dpkg ig |
| 17:02.10 | bibe | oz__ : I just did an 'apt-get update' |
| 17:02.16 | Wanderer | my unstable system is still running 3.4 |
| 17:02.22 | Wanderer | or was when I booted yesterday |
| 17:02.26 | stew | kde3.5 transistion started this weekend |
| 17:02.31 | oz__ | ah... |
| 17:02.33 | verso | stew, what daoes it mean (sorry) |
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| 17:02.45 | stew | !tell verso about ig |
| 17:02.54 | stew | !info kdelibs unstable |
| 17:02.56 | oz__ | that why eclipse install worked yesterday and is broken today? ;) |
| 17:02.57 | dpkg | kdelibs: (core libraries from the official KDE release), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 17:02.58 | pitillo | stew, is it recomended to wait finish the transition? |
| 17:03.06 | Wanderer | ok |
| 17:03.14 | Wanderer | wonder how long until kopete is functional again |
| 17:03.14 | stew | pitillo: ask #debian-kde |
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| 17:03.44 | verso | stew, i tried to install dsl.. i finally can boot it. but i can't install it.. |
| 17:04.07 | Wanderer | well, the apt-get updated just started alot of downloads, but I'm not showing a ton of broken packages, good sign |
| 17:04.13 | pipeline | verso: DSL is not Debian. |
| 17:04.15 | pitillo | stew, well, I?ll made the upgrade directly and see if its recomended to wait xD |
| 17:04.17 | pipeline | verso: Get a real debian CD. |
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| 17:04.38 | verso | my notebook only has floppy, cd is on pcmcia.. and bios doesn't recognise it |
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| 17:04.42 | kingmike | Hi ! I have a ps doc, a5 size, that I'd like to print on a4 sheets. Is there a way to expand it so it fills my pages ? |
| 17:04.53 | stew | verso: dsl as in damnsmalllinux? |
| 17:04.58 | verso | yes |
| 17:05.06 | Knight_Lord | kingmike ps tools can do that, no idea how though :-D |
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| 17:05.11 | stew | verso: you are in the wrong channel then, try #damnsmalllinux |
| 17:05.23 | Knight_Lord | kingmike probably pstops |
| 17:05.37 | kingmike | Knight_Lord : thanks, i'll check it out |
| 17:05.43 | pipeline | verso: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 17:05.56 | verso | sorry.. i thought was under debian :) |
| 17:05.58 | pipeline | verso: They call it the "net install", but the CD contains all the packages you need for a minimal system. |
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| 17:06.15 | pipeline | verso: You don't actually have to download anything while installing |
| 17:06.43 | verso | i know, but i don't know where to install from |
| 17:06.56 | pipeline | verso: Oh, you can't boot from CD? |
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| 17:07.18 | pipeline | verso: Have you tried a real debian cd as opposed to DSL? |
| 17:07.20 | verso | it's pcmcia and bios doesn't recognise it (and not even dls...) |
| 17:07.27 | pipeline | oh, the *BIOS* doesn't. |
| 17:07.30 | pipeline | That's more difficult. |
| 17:07.35 | sancho__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.35 | sancho__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.35 | pipeline | Can it boot over ethernet? |
| 17:07.44 | sancho__ | sorry, bad paste |
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| 17:08.34 | *** topic/#debian is PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | /msg dpkg apt secure | Please note: this is not #ubuntu. |
| 17:08.35 | verso | i don't know.. also my connection is from pcmcia.. i think i'll try to boot debian.. so you can help me :) |
| 17:08.43 | TjaFs | Which package contains Xauth.h ? |
| 17:08.43 | verso | yes, boot it's no problem! |
| 17:08.48 | stew | !tell verso about sarge floppies |
| 17:08.55 | verso | just installation on hd |
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| 17:09.29 | stew | verso: if you already have a working linux install /msg dpkg chroot install ; /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 17:09.39 | bibe | TjaFs : libxau-dev |
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| 17:10.13 | deepfrze | does anyone know when package search will be back in working order? |
| 17:10.25 | verso | ok, i'n noobbissimo and (even more) from italy... what i should do exactly? |
| 17:10.33 | stew | deepfrze: there is no eta ; in the meantime use apt-cache search and apt-file search |
| 17:10.37 | TjaFs | bibe: thanks :) |
| 17:10.50 | stew | verso: read the install guide, /msg dpkg ig |
| 17:10.54 | deepfrze | stew: okay, thanks |
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| 17:10.59 | bibe | TjaFs : no problem :) |
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| 17:11.33 | stew | wow, i'm suprised there isn't yet an italian translation of ig |
| 17:11.35 | guru | can "unzip" handle files larger than 3GB? |
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| 17:11.55 | hjk | what is the default kernel version for woody 3.1 r1 i386 sarge? (im not on the machine...trying to dl and app. from other machine now) |
| 17:11.56 | verso | ok.. thax guz, and grazie stew.. i will! |
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| 17:12.08 | stew | prego |
| 17:12.11 | JCC | does the version of Samba in Sarge include support for LDAP. Some sources say a recompile is necessary |
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| 17:12.54 | stew | JCC: "apt-cache depends samba" shows a dependency on libldap2 so i'd say its probably already supported |
| 17:13.13 | oz__ | JCC: I have it running with LDAP on several boxes. |
| 17:13.17 | sancho__ | stew, pipeline: thx for the info. |
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| 17:13.50 | pipeline | JCC: Well, if it is, that's what "apt-get source" is for |
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| 17:16.45 | sancho__ | pipeline: what's the likelihood that we can revert our sources.list file back to only pull from stable trees and then revert the packages installed from testing/unstable back to stable, cleanly? |
| 17:17.06 | stew | sancho__: you cannot downgrade libc6 |
| 17:17.34 | abrotman | sure you can.. but everything breaks :) |
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| 17:17.41 | EleckttrusS | hi stew and sancho__ |
| 17:17.52 | sancho__ | libc is the clencher then, hence the suggestion to either commit to testing/unstable or else reinstall stable..? :) |
| 17:18.22 | pipeline | sancho__: libc is just the big one. There's lots and lots and lots and lots of little ones. |
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| 17:18.38 | pschmitt | Anyone have an estimate for how long it takes to compile your kernel if you're semi-newbish? |
| 17:18.45 | pipeline | sancho__: You're not intended to be able to mix, and you're not intended to be able to downgrade. Package maintainers are not gods :P |
| 17:18.57 | stew | pschmitt: why bother? |
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| 17:19.14 | sancho__ | pipeline: understood. nor do i expect them to be. demigods, maybe. |
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| 17:19.16 | pschmitt | stew: I need a more updated kernel for my wireless NIC |
| 17:19.17 | pipeline | pschmitt: Debian has a package called "kernel headers" that contains a pre-built object tree so that you can build modules against the running kernel without recompiling everything. |
| 17:19.19 | afabian | pschmitt, 5 hours. I don't have much to back me up, except some memory of it being difficult and taking a long time. |
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| 17:19.51 | pipeline | pschmitt: Also, you should avoid compiling your own kernel. It's not 1998 any more. You don't have to, so why do it? I've been using a stock kernel for more than a year, and goddamnit, I like not having to screw with things. |
| 17:19.56 | stew | pschmitt: so install a newer kernel... what nic? what kernel to youneed? |
| 17:20.11 | pschmitt | pipeline: the most updated kernel in stable is 2.6.8, at least.. that's what I see |
| 17:20.44 | afabian | pschmitt, indeed. I would dissuade you from compiling your own kernel without some compelling reason. Compelling reasons are getting harder to come by every year. =) |
| 17:21.00 | pipeline | pschmitt: Are you sure the module isn't available via module-assistant? |
| 17:21.04 | pschmitt | stew: i have intell ipw2100, but wep wont work because (I think) that some cryptos are missing in the kernel |
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| 17:21.31 | pipeline | pschmitt: Also, kernels are one of the few things that should be safe to install from "testing" if push comes to shove. |
| 17:21.34 | stew | !ipw2200 |
| 17:21.34 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200, or ipw2200-source will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 17:21.42 | stew | pschmitt: ^^^ |
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| 17:22.24 | Seldon1975 | Hi. I installed Sarge on my Dell Precision M60 Laptop last night and Gnome is only offering me 800x600 resolution; the display is capable of much more; can you tell me how to make higher resolutions available? |
| 17:22.27 | stew | pschmitt: just replace 2200 with 2100 in the above |
| 17:22.40 | pschmitt | stew: cool, thanks... I'm looking into it now... |
| 17:23.31 | stew | pschmitt: i'm not sure where you get firmware from though, you might ask #ipw2200 |
| 17:23.47 | pschmitt | I got the driver installed & working properly.... except it doesn't have WEP support |
| 17:23.47 | stew | actually http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:23.55 | pschmitt | (and firmware) |
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| 17:24.10 | afabian | Seldon1975, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (I think). Unfortunately, I only really know X configuration for CRTs. Worst case, you may need to manually edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 - but that's something of a last resort. |
| 17:24.16 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 17:24.35 | Fox_1_ | in startup my system run xdm. how can i change it? |
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| 17:24.54 | Seldon1975 | afabian: thx |
| 17:25.00 | Seldon1975 | afabian: Ill try it |
| 17:25.22 | zinx | Fox_1_: uninstall xdm, or remove it from whatever runlevel you're using |
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| 17:25.41 | Fox_1_ | zinx i want to use kdm |
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| 17:26.02 | stew | Fox_1_: apt-get isntall kdm xdm- |
| 17:26.06 | pipeline | Fox_1_: kdm is pretty awful, by the way. |
| 17:26.13 | oz__ | pipeline: why? |
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| 17:26.32 | oz__ | users love it when they have buttons and stuff. |
| 17:26.34 | pipeline | oz__: Because it's the most straightforward possible port of xdm to a qt interface. And I think we all know how much fun it is to configure xdm. |
| 17:26.39 | Fox_1_ | stew i have installed kdm |
| 17:26.53 | stew | Fox_1_: use rcconf to disable xdm and enable kdm |
| 17:27.01 | pipeline | Fox_1_: If you dpkg-reconfigure xdm, kdm, or gdm or whathaveyou, it'll ask which one you want to use. |
| 17:27.03 | oz__ | pipeline: there are many program causing more pain |
| 17:27.14 | pipeline | oz__: Eh, but why go out of your way to suffer? |
| 17:27.19 | pipeline | oz__: gdm is ever so much less painful |
| 17:27.20 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 17:27.26 | pschmitt | Seldon1975: burn a Konoppix, boot your laptop up with it. Assuming that higher resolutions work, write down the values in "MONITOR" from /etc/X11/XF86Config... reboot to your OS & put those values in there... |
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| 17:28.11 | oz__ | pipeline: hm. was not running smooth here. |
| 17:28.16 | Seldon1975 | pschmitt: is Konoppix like a diagnostic? |
| 17:28.19 | EleckttrusS | Fox_1_, apt-get install kdm o gdm |
| 17:28.19 | oz__ | gdm, I mean |
| 17:28.27 | Fox_1_ | i found kdm themes, does xdm have themes? |
| 17:28.50 | pipeline | Fox_1_: Sort of. |
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| 17:28.55 | oz__ | who needs themes... |
| 17:29.13 | afabian | My system is 'effectively single-user.' xdm works just fine in the default configuration. =) |
| 17:29.18 | kspath | lol almost all the linux kernel books list on amazon are 3+ years old |
| 17:29.26 | Fox_1_ | pipeline ?? |
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| 17:30.04 | stew | kspath: books are sooo 20th century |
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| 17:30.16 | kspath | haha |
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| 17:31.01 | kspath | I realize it is changing somewhat fast but you would think they would just update their books and release a new edition |
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| 17:31.24 | pschmitt_ | !knoppix |
| 17:31.24 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 17:31.37 | blur | how do i list the security advisories using apt? |
| 17:31.43 | blur | i can't find any tutorial talking about it |
| 17:31.59 | blur | but im about sure theres a command to do it |
| 17:32.12 | m0dY | Hello all,, is there anyway to replace my current iptables v1.2 with v.13 ?? |
| 17:32.13 | stew | blur: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
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| 17:32.19 | m0dY | *c1.3 |
| 17:32.33 | blur | stew id like a command to list it |
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| 17:32.44 | blur | theres an apt option |
| 17:32.55 | m0dY | ? |
| 17:32.56 | dvm1981 | dpkg : You are a bot ? |
| 17:32.58 | dpkg | dvm1981: what are you talking about? |
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| 17:33.09 | stew | blur: there is apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs, but i don't know of anything else |
| 17:33.13 | stew | !what are you |
| 17:33.13 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 17:33.25 | dvm1981 | dpkg : How work you ? |
| 17:33.39 | kspath | blur: wget the advisories |
| 17:33.41 | oz__ | dvm1981: /msg him... |
| 17:34.05 | dvm1981 | oz__ : i not good understand |
| 17:34.06 | kspath | !bonk dvm1981 |
| 17:34.14 | stew | dvm1981: /msg dpkg help ; http://blootbot.sf.net |
| 17:34.15 | sancho__ | dvm1981: are you a bot? ;) |
| 17:34.17 | m0dY | is there anyway i could upgrade Iptables v1.2 to v1.3 using apt-get ??????? |
| 17:34.31 | stew | m0dY: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:34.40 | dvm1981 | sancho__ : Yes it is it |
| 17:34.44 | dondelelcaro | m0dY: lose the excess punctuation; if you want a newer version of iptables, get a backport of it. |
| 17:35.04 | m0dY | ? |
| 17:35.16 | simmy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.17 | m0dY | sorry,, can't get it |
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| 17:35.29 | dvm1981 | sancho__ : So i would like to ask to bot how he work if he is a bot, like the reply of Knoppix, he is really usefull ... |
| 17:35.43 | stew | !tell m0dY about simple sid backport |
| 17:35.49 | dondelelcaro | dvm1981: /msg dpkg help |
| 17:36.00 | sancho__ | dvm1981: uh, just read the sourceforge site |
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| 17:36.20 | blur | thanks skew but thats not what im looking for |
| 17:36.20 | dvm1981 | dondelelcaro : go to try youre sugestion |
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| 17:37.43 | thompa | hi |
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| 17:37.49 | pipeline | Fox_1_: xdm has an XResources file just like all other Xt apps. So you can theme it, but I assure you that you do not want to. |
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| 17:38.22 | thompa | can someone help me with fstab |
| 17:38.35 | Kovecses | thompa, i can |
| 17:38.42 | thompa | thanks |
| 17:38.45 | dvm1981 | thompa : anybody cank help here |
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| 17:39.12 | philstar | can ordinary users create cronjobs on default Debian installs? |
| 17:39.29 | thompa | i have a seperate dvd and cd burner and tyhe dvd/cd player was not available |
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| 17:39.31 | dondelelcaro | philstar: yes. |
| 17:39.35 | thompa | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.38 | Kovecses | philstar, i think so |
| 17:39.42 | dondelelcaro | well, assuming you've got cron installed, anyway. |
| 17:39.50 | philstar | great. thanks, dondelelcaro & Kovecses |
| 17:40.01 | Kovecses | thompa, is it usb? |
| 17:40.07 | thompa | dev/dvd /media/dvd defaults,user,noauto |
| 17:40.18 | _iH8|ws | i'm a bit confused. i got three options for partitioning. automatic/multiuser/workstation. i wanna use it as a web/mail/fileshare. which is best for my situation. i've been reading the install-docs about partitioning to understand what to use and why but those docs are insuffient for me. still don't understand it. |
| 17:40.18 | thompa | like so i added a line |
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| 17:40.35 | thompa | it works but defaults is red text |
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| 17:40.46 | thompa | does this mean its incorrect? |
| 17:40.50 | Kovecses | thompa, i think the line would start with something like /dev/hdd or whatever the letter of the drive |
| 17:41.07 | botsy | sorry i'm french but i search the @ with qwerti keyboard ... what's the touch please ? |
| 17:41.12 | thompa | "/dev/dvd /media/dvd defaults,user,noauto" |
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| 17:41.18 | thompa | is what i added |
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| 17:41.34 | Kovecses | thompa, take out defaults |
| 17:41.44 | thompa | ok |
| 17:41.49 | dvm1981 | botsy : La deux |
| 17:41.57 | thompa | just user auto? |
| 17:42.01 | beardy | botsy: Alt-Gr+2 ? |
| 17:42.06 | philstar | botsy should be above Shift+2? |
| 17:42.06 | grendal_prime | hey im trying to capture everthing between a router and a particular machine...i use to use etercap for that...but im having a hard time with that today..whats a simple app i can install on the router to capture all the data between two diff ips? |
| 17:42.10 | Kovecses | thompa, defaults conflicts with noauto |
| 17:42.14 | philstar | sry, Shift+2 ^^ |
| 17:42.21 | thompa | ahh |
| 17:42.22 | dvm1981 | botsy : the key number 2 |
| 17:42.23 | thompa | ok |
| 17:42.36 | botsy | c'est bon en faite j'ai trouve ... i have find |
| 17:42.37 | grendal_prime | tcp dump grabs wayy to much data. unless i can regex it in some way im unawair of |
| 17:42.38 | botsy | thank |
| 17:42.39 | botsy | merci |
| 17:42.42 | Kovecses | np |
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| 17:42.51 | hid3 | Evening evryone. I've noticed that on one of my traffic shaper's root partition (/) there's a file called ".journal" and its size is 32768K What does that file do? Can I remove it safely? I use ext3 fs type.. |
| 17:43.01 | JCC | has anyone had success in getting samba to use ldap for authentication (under Sarge using standard packages)? |
| 17:43.22 | dvm1981 | botsy : Quelle touche c'etait ? |
| 17:43.24 | beardy | hid3: If you remove it it wont be ext3 anymore,it will be broken. |
| 17:43.28 | thompa | Kovecses: now i have /dev/dvd /media/dvd user,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:43.39 | beardy | Possibly ext2, but probably not. |
| 17:43.44 | thompa | but user is reded |
| 17:43.54 | hid3 | beardy: but why does that file consumes so much space? |
| 17:44.12 | Kovecses | thompa, but... did you define the type? |
| 17:44.16 | beardy | hid3: The journal keep track of all your files, to put it simply. |
| 17:44.34 | thompa | Kovecses: no is it udf maybe? |
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| 17:44.53 | Kovecses | thompa, i would put auto in there |
| 17:45.11 | thompa | your right its type missing |
| 17:45.17 | stew | Kovecses: why would you put auto in there? |
| 17:45.21 | thompa | om on kde 3.5 i should say |
| 17:45.30 | Daedalus_ | hid3: more importanyl it keeps track of modified files (and how they were modified), so if your system crashed, you don't have to wait an eternity while it trys to put broken files back together (with errors, mind you) |
| 17:45.31 | Kovecses | stew, why not? |
| 17:45.38 | botsy | c'est alt + 2 |
| 17:45.43 | stew | Kovecses: oh, nevermind, auto for filesystem type, right |
| 17:45.46 | thompa | Kovecses: as soon as i edit fstab dvd opens, |
| 17:45.48 | jjazz | A friend asked me for a Win install disk, and I advised her to try |
| 17:45.48 | jjazz | Linux instead. She said she would except she needs photoshop and |
| 17:45.48 | jjazz | illustrator. |
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| 17:46.06 | jjazz | I pointed her towards the gimp for photoshop. Anybody suggest an illustrator replacement? Thanks. |
| 17:46.07 | kspath | lol |
| 17:46.20 | dvm1981 | If whe are now in Testing, it's b |
| 17:46.23 | Kovecses | thompa, hrmm not sure |
| 17:46.29 | thompa | Kovecses: does this look ok ../dev/dvd /media/dvd auto, user,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:46.32 | dvm1981 | possible to go to stable ? |
| 17:46.47 | thompa | Kovecses: seems to open and no more red errors |
| 17:46.50 | dvm1981 | qwerty |
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| 17:46.54 | stew | thompa: take out the ',' after auto |
| 17:46.55 | Kovecses | thompa, no comma after auto |
| 17:46.59 | dvm1981 | azerty is not same |
| 17:47.02 | thompa | right |
| 17:47.08 | stew | thompa: and that shouldn't be ../dev/dvd but /dev/dvd |
| 17:47.32 | dvm1981 | but i like it now and it's not really easy to switch from qwerty to azerty... |
| 17:48.53 | thompa | stew: "/dev/dvd /media/dvd auto user,noauto 0 0" |
| 17:49.08 | beardy | hid3: And, do you really think 32MB is much these days? |
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| 17:49.33 | stew | thompa: that looks good to me |
| 17:50.03 | thompa | stew: thanks it works |
| 17:50.12 | thompa | Kovecses: thanks again |
| 17:50.18 | Kovecses | thompa, no problem |
| 17:50.49 | hid3 | beardy: isn't there 32 GB? |
| 17:51.08 | thompa | kde 3.5 is nice, it automounts right after fstab is saved |
| 17:51.15 | thompa | a window pops up |
| 17:51.24 | hid3 | cause there's a letter K in the end. |
| 17:51.28 | Kovecses | thompa, sid? |
| 17:51.32 | thompa | havent seen that before, maybe its the new kernel |
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| 17:51.50 | hid3 | oh, sorry, I'm very sorry. Yes, it is 32 MB. Then it is not an issue :) |
| 17:51.54 | thompa | im running 2.6.15 |
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| 17:52.11 | thompa | Kovecses: its kanotix |
| 17:52.29 | thompa | Kovecses: i know its now really debian |
| 17:52.33 | thompa | not |
| 17:52.35 | Kovecses | kanotix? |
| 17:52.37 | Kovecses | link |
| 17:52.40 | thompa | yes |
| 17:52.50 | thompa | http://kanotix.com/ |
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| 17:53.05 | SimonRaven | #kanotix |
| 17:53.15 | octoberdan | -rw-rw-r-- Should allow for listing the contents of a folder correct? |
| 17:53.23 | thompa | im there already, just was too busy |
| 17:53.42 | maradong | Is there a special channel for debian events in Europe? |
| 17:53.46 | octoberdan | because it doesn't seem I can... |
| 17:53.48 | thompa | sinvce fstab is a general thing |
| 17:54.01 | octoberdan | oh d! |
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| 17:55.09 | octoberdan | h,,, |
| 17:55.11 | thompa | Kovecses: its using testing and unstable fron deb |
| 17:55.11 | octoberdan | hmmm |
| 17:55.22 | maradong | Fact is, I have been contacted by Patrick Harpes who organizes the LinuxDays.lu (that's in Luxembourg for those of you that should wonder) in January |
| 17:55.23 | thompa | Kovecses: sid are kanotix repos |
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| 17:55.47 | fwtest | how can i record sound which goes out through my sound card? |
| 17:55.50 | maradong | I can not help out this time. So... |
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| 17:55.57 | maradong | Tolimar; ping |
| 17:56.10 | Kovecses | fwtest, sound recorder |
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| 17:56.32 | fwtest | Kovecses, what is the package called? |
| 17:56.52 | Nirgal | fwtest: I use "arecord" to stream it to another host |
| 17:57.01 | Kovecses | fwtest, i dont know it was installed by default on sarge |
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| 17:59.31 | fwtest | i tried krecord, but the sound i want to record comes from firefox, both firefox and krecord will access /dev/dsp |
| 17:59.51 | HamRadio | Hi everyone! |
| 18:00.18 | predius_ | does anyone have experience with HP4r servers? |
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| 18:02.16 | Kovecses | im gonna try and compile kde 3.5 on sarge |
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| 18:04.06 | octoberdan | Is there a standared for naming software releases? |
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| 18:04.18 | azeem | octoberdan: no |
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| 18:05.04 | octoberdan | azeem: Are there tendencies? |
| 18:05.19 | azeem | octoberdan: there are some widely used schemes, yes |
| 18:05.37 | azeem | octoberdan: you are talking about version numbering? |
| 18:05.45 | octoberdan | azeem: Correct |
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| 18:06.22 | orchid | octoberdan: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-Proj-Mgmt-HOWTO/ |
| 18:06.31 | DogWater | Is it real difficult to get a secure smb share that a windows server can connect to working on linux? |
| 18:06.33 | stew | octoberdan: debian's versioning scheme is standardized and is documented in the debian policy manual |
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| 18:07.36 | centrx | DogWater, it is not difficult, so long as you mean the same kind of security that windows has |
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| 18:07.56 | fatal_ | I'm using grub with "default saved"... I read that I can manually change the last "saved" entry by using grub-set-default to make a default choice (ie. useful for remote reboots).... Is there a windows port of this tool since my machine is currently booted to Windows and I need to remotely reboot it to Debian? |
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| 18:08.40 | octoberdan | stew: Thanks man |
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| 18:08.50 | octoberdan | orchid: Thanks to you too |
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| 18:10.14 | thetallcoolone | Where can I get help setting up an FTP server using WU-FTPD? (besides the WU-FTPD.org site) |
| 18:10.35 | Kovecses | im gonna try and compile kde 3.5 on sarge |
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| 18:10.46 | stew | thetallcoolone: /usr/share/doc/packagename/* |
| 18:11.30 | tosh | I did an apt-get upgrade and now /dev/dsp dissappeared? xmms still plays using the alsa lib and alsaconf has been run to configure my sblive? where's /dev/dsp? (xine and mplayer need it) |
| 18:11.39 | thetallcoolone | stew: I've looked there but I cannot make out hoe to setup a particular user to access a particular directory |
| 18:11.46 | thetallcoolone | *how |
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| 18:13.22 | stew | tosh: modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; and add that to /etc/modules ; you probably just got hotplug removed |
| 18:13.58 | eeyore- | fatal_: doubtful. grub-set-default writes to the grub partition. in your case it's likely ext2, so you want to write to ext2 partition from windows? |
| 18:14.57 | tosh | stew nope, tried that, still no sound in mplayer or xine.. they need /dev/dsp although I have the alsa oss wrapper package installed, I have hotplug btw |
| 18:15.25 | stew | tosh: what version of debian? |
| 18:15.39 | tosh | sarge/unstable |
| 18:15.42 | stew | huh? |
| 18:15.43 | tosh | sorry, should have mentioned that |
| 18:15.50 | tosh | unstable* |
| 18:15.51 | stew | you can't mix sarge and unstable |
| 18:16.05 | tosh | its unstable |
| 18:16.08 | tosh | laptop is sarge here :) |
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| 18:16.22 | stew | tosh: when you said that /dev/dsp didn't exist i assumed you were running udev, which i guess you must not be. does the file /dev/dsp exist? |
| 18:16.25 | Kovecses | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 18:16.27 | Kovecses | ? |
| 18:16.29 | tosh | stew it does not |
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| 18:16.53 | grendal_prime | wish there was a skype server for debian |
| 18:16.55 | stew | tosh: and udev isn't installed, right? |
| 18:17.06 | tosh | stew its hotplug OR udev last I checked |
| 18:17.06 | grendal_prime | anyone seen one of these? |
| 18:17.14 | stew | grendal_prime: why would you want to use a closed source protocol? why not asterisk? |
| 18:17.33 | stew | Kovecses: read config.log and see what header it was looking for |
| 18:17.58 | grendal_prime | well...asterisk last time i attempeted to set that up it just was not working. howerver its been a long time ago. Skype seems to just work...really well actually |
| 18:18.32 | stew | tosh: if you aren't running udev, then you have to create that dev entry, cd /dev ; /sbin/MAKEDEV dsp |
| 18:18.42 | grendal_prime | the client is what i would like...conferencing calling..that sort of thing seem to be delt with very well on that client |
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| 18:19.21 | diesel | Using ssh, how do I port forward from local computer to remote computer A, and then from remote computer A to remote computer B? Is this possibble with one command? |
| 18:19.30 | anapivirtua_ | lo all |
| 18:19.51 | grendal_prime | stew you used asterisk lately? |
| 18:19.58 | fatal_ | eeyore-: ok.... I'm assuming that there isn't a windows tool too... but just because I can't find it doesn't mean it's non-existant, and asking never hurts, right? Thanks for your help. :) |
| 18:19.59 | tosh | Stew -> /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "dsp" :/ |
| 18:20.25 | stew | tosh: google for /dev/dsp and mknod |
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| 18:20.44 | stew | tosh: just verify that you don't have udev installed. it would be odd that those dev entries would have been deleted |
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| 18:21.24 | stew | grendal_prime: well until that server went down, i'm going to try to get it back up tonight, but its on a server that is a pain in the ass |
| 18:21.48 | stew | grendal_prime: i can't change the boot order in the bios, so i have to hotplug the harddrive after it boots the cd because there is no way to get the cd higher in the boot order |
| 18:21.51 | Estes2 | Just a suggestion about when querying dpkg about 2006 key or any key... that dpkg should tell yuo're supposed to open your firewall to let outgoing connections to port 13371... thanks :) |
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| 18:23.14 | bizkit | well 13371 seems to be a random port? |
| 18:24.00 | tosh | stew did the mknod but still the same :/ |
| 18:24.01 | stew | bizkit: no its not, getent services 13371 |
| 18:24.18 | tosh | stew hold on |
| 18:24.26 | tosh | stew there was a /dev/.udevdb remaining |
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| 18:24.29 | stew | oh wait that should be 11371 |
| 18:24.52 | tosh | stew okay, it works now :) removed /dev/.udevdb and now it works |
| 18:24.56 | tosh | stew thanks for your time |
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| 18:27.30 | eeyore- | hkp? |
| 18:27.42 | philstar | how does one specify --password-file for rsync? I've tried both "--password-file=filepath" and "--password-file filepath", but neither works... the other parameters I'm using are "-vare ssh" |
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| 18:27.56 | grendal_prime | well stew im looking cause i would like to install it on the router at home. if i could get rid of the answering and fax machines, dude...would free up the entire corner of my bedroom/wifes desk!! |
| 18:27.59 | eeyore- | keyserver ... hmm. nope, not me. |
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| 18:29.10 | stew | eeyore-: http keyserver protocol |
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| 18:30.02 | bizkit | philstar: which password-file? |
| 18:30.31 | stew | grendal_prime: it is definately not the simplist service to setup, but once it was setup for me it was pretty much hassle free |
| 18:31.20 | stew | philstar: you cannot use --password-file with ssh, only with rsync |
| 18:31.52 | stew | philstar: you will have to setup a passwordless ssh key |
| 18:32.07 | bizkit | and use ssh-agent |
| 18:32.46 | eeyore- | rsync honors ssh's ~/.ssh/config file ... you could technically set up your ssh config there |
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| 18:33.02 | eeyore- | well, it's not rsync that honors it. it's really ssh that does, but you get the idea |
| 18:33.41 | philstar | stew: thanks, I'll probably work with expect instead, good to know though! also thanks bizkit |
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| 18:35.15 | philstar | ah eeyore, thanks to you as well (not highlighted)! |
| 18:36.06 | slew | hi, im thinking of changing from ubuntu to debian, which version should i download? sarge, etch, or sid? |
| 18:36.06 | bizkit | !beer philstar |
| 18:36.27 | eeyore- | slew: sid |
| 18:36.40 | slew | thanks ;) |
| 18:36.49 | bizkit | no |
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| 18:37.04 | Nirgal | slew: not sid |
| 18:37.18 | slew | sarge then? |
| 18:37.18 | philstar | bizkit: I'll remember the beer next time ;) |
| 18:37.20 | cusco | slew: sarge is stable |
| 18:37.23 | stew | eeyore-: please don't recommend sid to people in here |
| 18:37.25 | cusco | sid is unstable |
| 18:37.32 | cusco | etch is in between |
| 18:37.38 | eeyore- | sid's cool |
| 18:37.55 | cusco | etch's cool |
| 18:37.58 | eeyore- | it's where the latest & greatest packages are :-) |
| 18:38.19 | dondelelcaro | and also the newest and deadliest bugs... |
| 18:38.20 | Nirgal | sid and testing is almost the same now, don't use sid when you can have testing. |
| 18:38.42 | slew | so go with etch? |
| 18:38.43 | bizkit | eeyore-: you don't need sid for the latest packages, recommend stable to new users. if they really need bleeding-edge stuff, there are many backports available |
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| 18:39.14 | slew | ok, im getting sarge. =] thanks fellas. |
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| 18:40.59 | bibe | !beer slew |
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| 18:44.40 | botsy_ | anybody use g4u (ghost 4 unix) ? |
| 18:45.09 | RevDHO | Yes |
| 18:45.26 | RevDHO | Might anybody know where I can find information on setting up an LSI card (53c1030, should support it) in target mode? |
| 18:45.44 | botsy_ | RevDHO, i have a problem when i arrived at 2go |
| 18:45.59 | botsy_ | the ftp server shutdown the connection ... |
| 18:47.23 | botsy_ | i have read the FAQ but the solution whose describe was not good for me |
| 18:47.32 | ribrdb | is there any way to make it so that Ctrl+Alt+Backspace doesn't kill the x server |
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| 18:49.18 | RevDHO | I haven't seen that problem. We use it on FreeBSD, so I'm afraid I can't help much there. |
| 18:49.20 | Yango | is there a temperature monitor for notebooks? I've been having SERIOUS sluggishness problems with it in high temperature. I'd like to see at what termperature it starts failing to be able to control it |
| 18:49.31 | RevDHO | Perhaps it's filesystem limits |
| 18:49.35 | RevDHO | Yango: perhaps xmbmon |
| 18:49.55 | botsy_ | RevDHO, ha ok i use debian i think it's this error ... |
| 18:49.58 | stew | RevDHO: Option "DontZap" "on" in the serverlayout section |
| 18:49.59 | tr1gg3r | Yango, lmsensors and ksensors |
| 18:50.08 | stew | ribrdb: Option "DontZap" "on" in the serverlayout section |
| 18:50.11 | stew | RevDHO: nm |
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| 18:50.50 | RevDHO | botsy_: are you using ext2? |
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| 18:50.59 | botsy_ | nop ext3 |
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| 18:51.27 | botsy_ | why? |
| 18:51.49 | Kerr | ugh.. whenever i switch to a tty, i see IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:0f:1f:d2:27:96:08:00 SRC=150.204.136.159 DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=196 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=2 ID=23682 PROTO=UDP SPT=7777 DPT=7777 LEN=176 |
| 18:51.59 | Kerr | any idea what's going on ? |
| 18:52.05 | kspath | ugh /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 18:52.07 | SSL | please how to know if a processus is a zombie? |
| 18:52.29 | kspath | ugh man syslog stuffs |
| 18:52.48 | kspath | SSL: ps command man ps |
| 18:52.57 | SSL | man ps |
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| 18:53.42 | kspath | maybe the zombie is on the keyboard </sarcasm> |
| 18:53.53 | botsy_ | RevDHO, why ? |
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| 18:55.26 | kspath | !caffience |
| 18:55.28 | kspath | !caffiene |
| 18:55.28 | dpkg | caffiene is probably the essence of all life or a potato |
| 18:55.39 | kspath | !42 |
| 18:55.40 | dpkg | well, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 18:55.52 | omry | does k7 kernel is compatible with Athlon XP? |
| 18:56.07 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:56.14 | omry | thanks. |
| 18:56.35 | kspath | !life |
| 18:56.35 | dpkg | life is a bitch, then you marry her. |
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| 18:56.53 | kspath | I love this truism bot |
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| 18:57.50 | RevDHO | botsy_: Thought it may have been a filesystem limitation, but it's not. |
| 18:58.01 | botsy_ | ok |
| 18:58.26 | Nirgal | Kerr: this is iptables logs (check for -j LOG in firewall rules) |
| 18:58.33 | stew | !forget life |
| 18:58.33 | dpkg | i forgot life, stew |
| 18:58.45 | abrotman | @life |
| 18:58.55 | abrotman | ravenbird: hi |
| 18:58.56 | ravenbird | Many greetings, abrotman, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 18:59.05 | Kerr | Nirgal: why would it be flooding tty1 when i'm not even logged in, or flooding dmesg ? |
| 18:59.10 | eeyore- | botsy_: what are you having problems with? filesystem limitation? what the heck are you guys talking about? |
| 18:59.30 | kspath | !stew |
| 18:59.35 | Nirgal | Kerr: This is logging network traffic, you have network activity, that's all |
| 18:59.40 | abrotman | Kerr: because you didn't tell it not to .. ask #iptables how to change it |
| 18:59.58 | botsy_ | eeyore-, i don't know when i arrvied at 2gb it's say the ftp server have closed the session ... |
| 19:00.27 | eeyore- | botsy_: you're trying to download something? |
| 19:00.27 | abrotman | NFS ? |
| 19:00.33 | abrotman | ext2? |
| 19:00.37 | abrotman | well . old ext2 |
| 19:00.42 | eeyore- | abrotman: nah, i've written to way more than 2GB over NFS |
| 19:00.58 | botsy_ | download what ? |
| 19:01.01 | eeyore- | botsy_: you could just simply be running out of space :-> |
| 19:01.17 | abrotman | eeyore-: it's an old limitation |
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| 19:01.19 | eeyore- | botsy_: you said "when i arrive at 2gb", not sure what you mean by that |
| 19:01.33 | Nirgal | kerr: I changed that here with switching klog level KLOGD="-c 4" in /etc/init.d/klogd so that it still appears in syslog, but not in console |
| 19:01.39 | Estes2 | Hi everyone, i got a problem with heartbeat, i use it (well i try to) for failovering NFS with drbd. the fact is when i start heartbeat on the secondary server, i get this message i pasted at pastebin : http://pastebin.com/498103 May anyone help please ? |
| 19:01.50 | eeyore- | abrotman: i don't think i ever remember the 2GB ext2 limitation, must have been a long LONG time ago |
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| 19:02.09 | botsy_ | if youi prefer i had test for uploaddisk ... |
| 19:02.26 | abrotman | eeyore-: like ... 2.2 days iirc |
| 19:02.29 | abrotman | maybe 2.0 ? |
| 19:02.54 | eeyore- | abrotman: yeah, i seem to recall something now that you mention it. "large file support" |
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| 19:03.02 | stew | Estes2: i'd ask in #linux-ha |
| 19:03.05 | eeyore- | abrotman: but that was a LONG time ago, seems like ages :-) |
| 19:03.16 | abrotman | eeyore-: yeah .. like before your first kid :) |
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| 19:03.38 | Estes2 | Stereo, i did, it's as silencious as a cimetery |
| 19:03.40 | omry | I am trying to upgrade from 2.6.7 to 2.6.14 or 2.6.15, and I get that it can't find an appropriate yaird tools. what can I do about it? |
| 19:03.43 | botsy_ | the error of g4u it's : "the ftp server have closed session " |
| 19:03.50 | Estes2 | crap |
| 19:03.54 | Estes2 | stew, i did, it's as silencious as a cimetery |
| 19:04.11 | abrotman | symmetry |
| 19:04.16 | valdyn | omry: apt-get install yaird |
| 19:04.20 | abrotman | oh .. cemetary ? |
| 19:04.34 | Yango | crap, false alarm, it's still getting sluggish (though a bit less than before) and xmbmon doesn't start, and ksensors doesn't show temperature |
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| 19:05.11 | eeyore- | botsy_: if you're talking about some application (g4u) then anything goes. could be badly-written application. use something real instead. maybe dd. nothing wrong with dd. nothing wrong with dump/restore either. |
| 19:05.27 | botsy_ | i hava download the boot cd .. |
| 19:05.46 | abrotman | omry: why? |
| 19:05.47 | omry | valdyn, now it wont install anything becuase apt keep trying to install these kernels when try to install anything else. |
| 19:05.49 | botsy_ | eeyore-, yes i knox before i use dd but it's so long |
| 19:06.10 | Yango | botsy_ you can speed up dd by selecting appropriate block size values |
| 19:06.14 | eeyore- | Yango: time for spring cleaning? |
| 19:06.22 | tr1gg3r | Yango, did go into configure for ksensors and tell it what to show? also ur motherboard or chip has to have temp monitor sensor, also u need to have the correct module loaded |
| 19:06.32 | Kerr | nigral, abrotman: I've not messed with iptables in months, all of a sudden it's logging noisily. Any idea why? |
| 19:06.32 | Yango | eeyore-: meaning? |
| 19:06.39 | botsy_ | eeyore-, it's hard disk with 20gb whats the good bs ? |
| 19:06.44 | mightybyte | I have a program that segfaults consistently on a Debian machine and doesn't segfault at all on another non-Debian Linux machine. Anyone have an idea why this might be? Are there any OS, compiler, or shell settings that might affect this? |
| 19:07.03 | eeyore- | Yango: blow out the dust bunnies |
| 19:07.24 | tr1gg3r | mightybyte, r u recompiling this prog for each sys? |
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| 19:07.34 | Yango | tr1gg3r yes, maybe i don't have the module or the mb doesn't have the sensor, because ksensors doesn't show the options |
| 19:07.36 | mightybyte | tr1gg3r: Yes |
| 19:07.49 | omry | abrotman, why I am trying to upgrade from 2.6.7? |
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| 19:08.24 | tr1gg3r | Yango, 4 stock deb kernel u need to modprobe the right module |
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| 19:08.49 | fcn | i want to take a screenshot on wmaker, but i don't have import program, in which package can i find it? |
| 19:08.50 | Yango | mightybyte compare ldd outputs from segfaulting and non segfaulting installations |
| 19:08.59 | Yango | tr1gg3r how can I tell which module is the right one? |
| 19:09.10 | omry | abrotman, did you answer? (xchat really doesn't like it when you update the time while its running) |
| 19:09.37 | stew | fcn: imagemagick |
| 19:10.13 | mightybyte | Yango, what would that tell me? |
| 19:10.34 | tr1gg3r | Yango, :) thats the tuff part, try googling for ur pc and hardware monitoring or lm_sensors and see if u can find any info |
| 19:11.04 | Yango | mightybyte it will show you which libraries is your program using in each system |
| 19:11.13 | eeyore- | mightybyte: i'd strace it and see what it did just before segfaulting. maybe if you can hack ddd/gdb you can try it too |
| 19:11.54 | stew | mightybyte: if you are compiling from source, just compile it with debug information and run it in gdb and get a stack trace |
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| 19:12.27 | mightybyte | stew: Yeah, I can't because I don't have access to the box. I can just upload my program, compile, and run it. |
| 19:13.00 | Yango | mightybyte how do youi compile it without a shell? |
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| 19:13.12 | mightybyte | Yango, it is compiled for me |
| 19:13.16 | eeyore- | mightybyte: you can *still* strace it and get *some* information |
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| 19:13.23 | eeyore- | geez |
| 19:13.29 | mightybyte | eeyore- With gdb? |
| 19:13.30 | eeyore- | people .. don't you code for a living? |
| 19:13.46 | Yango | mightybyte: then tell the guy who compiles it for you to run a gdb/strace/ldd session and to send it to you by mail or pigeons |
| 19:13.58 | kspath | !shoot everyone |
| 19:14.09 | eeyore- | or smoke signals |
| 19:14.25 | mightybyte | Yango, I've done that, but he can't gdb because the machine doesn't seem to allow core files |
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| 19:14.44 | eeyore- | ulimit -c unlimited |
| 19:14.45 | mightybyte | Yango, tell me about it. |
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| 19:14.55 | kspath | Yango: hilarious! |
| 19:14.55 | mightybyte | eeyore- It does not allow that command. Already tried it. |
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| 19:15.35 | eeyore- | mightybyte: so strace it already |
| 19:16.02 | mightybyte | eeyore-: I don't know if the box has strace. But I'll put that on my list of things to check |
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| 19:16.09 | stew | mightybyte: ltrace is probably more useful |
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| 19:16.22 | user___ | hi |
| 19:16.25 | stew | mightybyte: can you get a coredump? |
| 19:16.33 | rab1d | so is there currently a fix to resolve GPG errors in aptitude ? |
| 19:16.33 | Yango | mightybyte you don't need a core to debug a program, you can do gcc -ggdb <.....> and then gdb ./a.out |
| 19:16.33 | Nirgal | This is multicast traffic, weird... Maybe local generated? You can sort out multiple -j LOG with --log-prefix something |
| 19:16.45 | Thanatermesis | why debian ETCH has this LOT of packages lost and not enter more ? |
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| 19:17.01 | mightybyte | stew: No, not yet at least |
| 19:17.08 | valdyn | !confuse Thanatermesis |
| 19:17.08 | dpkg | Yes, where is your hamster today, Thanatermesis? lederhosen of the people's republic of micronesia with extra ham |
| 19:17.14 | Yango | mightybyte: and as a general advice tell the guys to provide you a decent testbed for you to be able to debug, else it'll be a pita, for you and for us :) |
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| 19:17.23 | user__ | i have got a problem |
| 19:17.33 | user__ | i have updated my system to testing and now sound dosnt' work |
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| 19:17.55 | Thanatermesis | O_O |
| 19:17.57 | user__ | cannot run alsamixer, it complains function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 19:17.58 | valdyn | user__: apt-get install linux-sound-base |
| 19:18.05 | mightybyte | Yango: Yes, I know. I'm not asking how to debug my code. I know how to do that when I have the proper tools. I'm asking if there are any kind of settings that make segfaults more or less likely. |
| 19:18.16 | valdyn | user__: and run alsaconf |
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| 19:18.35 | eeyore- | that almost made sense ... lederhosen of the people's republic of micronesia ... truly Zippy moment |
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| 19:19.00 | valdyn | mightybyte: this is a very strange question coming from someone debugging software |
| 19:19.03 | mightybyte | Yango: I'm trying to find out if there's a way I can duplicate the problem on my other box...which doesn't seem to segfault |
| 19:19.10 | a3cd | it seems as if the mod_perl for apache 2 module is version 1.99 is there anyway to get mod_perl 2.0 or later on there without doing it by hand? |
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| 19:19.20 | Thanatermesis | valdyn but... how to use debian ? sarge is old, etch is uncomplete, and SID is too unstable (packages related)... |
| 19:19.26 | eeyore- | mightybyte: my bet is on opening a file/device that's not there and forgetting to handle the error return |
| 19:19.33 | Yango | mightybyte that depends on what causes the segfault :). Whenever I've had your problem it ended up being different (and incompatible) versions of libs thep rogram used, that's why I adviced ldd |
| 19:19.40 | resiak | Thanatermesis: Sid is not an acronym. |
| 19:19.49 | fcn | stew, thanks |
| 19:19.49 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: sarge is 6 months old |
| 19:20.03 | mightybyte | Yango: Ok, I understand that, but I don't know how that's going to help me. |
| 19:20.10 | user__ | valdyn do i need to reboot? |
| 19:20.13 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: whats so bad about that? |
| 19:20.16 | user__ | cause i ran alsamixer and it did not help |
| 19:20.21 | kspath | this internet thing will not last just a fad |
| 19:20.34 | valdyn | user__: no, but in your case its probably not a bad idea |
| 19:20.40 | Thanatermesis | yeah, not is very much 6 months... but is old because has passed around all versions of debian before to are "sarge" and with 6 months old... |
| 19:20.40 | user__ | okay i'll |
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| 19:21.12 | Yango | mightybyte you'll have to lists, list_segfault and list_nonsegfault. Obtain all the differences, and check relevant documentation for each. Then you can start compiling with the exact versions of the libs in list_segfault in another machine where you've got decent debugging tools |
| 19:21.17 | Yango | two, not ot |
| 19:21.19 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: so you are one of those people concerned that he's not using the software with the highest available version NUMBER ? |
| 19:21.20 | Yango | to not ot |
| 19:21.45 | Thanatermesis | valdyn my exact problem.. i need to use debian, for a lot of users, build a pre-installed complete system... but sarge has too old programs, etch is very uncomplete (a lot of packages don't exist now), and SID is very unstable in packages relately, very conflicts and bad dependencies |
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| 19:21.48 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: or is your 'ls' lacking the latest feature? |
| 19:21.50 | a3cd | I need a copy of mod_perl for debian that is version 2.0 or later, sarge using 1.99. Can this be done, or do I need to compilie by hand |
| 19:22.00 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: be specific please |
| 19:22.14 | mightybyte | Yango, ok. That will be a bit of a pain. I'll try that if I can't get anything else to work. |
| 19:22.28 | bbrazil | a3cd: try backports.org, else /msg dpkg simple sarge backport |
| 19:22.46 | eeyore- | Yango: dude ... it's a lot more likely to be trivial bugs :-) |
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| 19:22.59 | bbrazil | s/sarge/sid/ |
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| 19:23.01 | Thanatermesis | valdyn all packages in general, for a "complete destkop preinstalled", specially multimedia and libs |
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| 19:23.19 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: i find sarge's mplayer plays movies just fine |
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| 19:23.30 | mightybyte | eeyore-: Yes, but the point is finding them when it's very hard to reproduce them. |
| 19:23.34 | user__ | it did not help alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 19:23.36 | user__ | any ideas? |
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| 19:24.00 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: just tell us what exactly is to old, maybe there's a fix, maybe not |
| 19:24.43 | user__ | valdyn do you have any other ideas how to fix this? |
| 19:24.58 | user__ | everything worked fine untill i upgraded to testing |
| 19:25.04 | eeyore- | mightybyte: i sound like a broken record ... once you have the strace output, you ought to know the rough location of the code when the segfault happens (you read and see what the program was doing at the time, and infer) and then you do code inspection. it's all pretty basic "Debugging 101" |
| 19:25.41 | user__ | ... |
| 19:25.50 | Thanatermesis | ok valdyn , i explain exactly more my packages problem... but give me some minutes, im lunch just now :) |
| 19:25.53 | _Sam-- | if i mounted a USB thumb as /var...how long do you think that will last before the thumb drive fails? |
| 19:26.01 | abrotman | !eat Thanatermesis |
| 19:26.11 | eeyore- | _Sam--: 100,000 writes |
| 19:26.12 | mightybyte | eeyore-: I've been through debugging 101. It's not that easy when I don't have access to the system were the problem is evident. |
| 19:26.27 | valdyn | user__: uname -r |
| 19:26.33 | _Sam-- | eyeore: everytime it writes anything to a log file or mysql counts? |
| 19:26.43 | eeyore- | _Sam--: 100,000 writes per cell |
| 19:26.45 | user__ | valdyn: 2.6.12-1-k7-smp |
| 19:26.47 | Yango | mightybyte: you might be able to get a root vnc console, if they are so paranoid 8=) |
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| 19:26.52 | eeyore- | _Sam--: on average |
| 19:26.56 | valdyn | user__: ran alsaconf yet? |
| 19:27.06 | user__ | valdyn twice catually |
| 19:27.10 | Yango | !eat dpkg |
| 19:27.23 | valdyn | !info linux-image-2.6.12-k7-smp etch |
| 19:27.32 | valdyn | user__: and what does it do? does it find your soundcard? |
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| 19:27.45 | user__ | valdyn yes it does |
| 19:27.51 | eeyore- | _Sam--: but these things have pretty cool write-balancing and some fancy remapping algorithm, so you might get a lot better performance than that. who knows? |
| 19:27.55 | mightybyte | Yango: Yeah, I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the library suggestion. |
| 19:28.02 | valdyn | user__: so you can run alsamixer ? |
| 19:28.04 | _Sam-- | working on a solid state device |
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| 19:28.19 | user__ | valdyn no i cannot, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 19:28.39 | _Sam-- | so eeyore you think every time it writes to a mysql table will count towards the 100,000? |
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| 19:28.56 | valdyn | user__: and no reboot in between running alsaconf and alsamixer? |
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| 19:29.11 | user__ | valdyn i did reboot |
| 19:29.23 | valdyn | user__: run alsaconf, run alsamixer right after that |
| 19:29.25 | kspath | _Sam--: average 100,000 writes allowed to your device? |
| 19:29.31 | shuu | hi, I did install debian with the webserver configuration how do I start the webserver now? |
| 19:29.37 | eeyore- | _Sam--: that's *per memory cell*, not per access :-) |
| 19:30.11 | omry | shuu, its probably running already. |
| 19:30.11 | kspath | memcached maybe? |
| 19:30.11 | shuu | nope |
| 19:30.11 | virgomoon | I need to look at making a DVD image set from a CD image set of Sarge. I asked this question this morning, but had to run off. Someone mentioned just catting the CD iso together and rsyncing it. Is this really viable? |
| 19:30.12 | _Sam-- | i see i see...now that makes more sense what you say about the balanced writing! |
| 19:30.12 | eeyore- | _Sam--: so, say, you write to the same file (without deleting it and reallocating different blocks from the device) at the exact same offset, then sure that'll count |
| 19:30.12 | omry | ps aux | grep apache |
| 19:30.26 | shuu | isnt there |
| 19:30.45 | omry | shuu, /etc/init.d/apache restart (or apache2) |
| 19:30.53 | user__ | alsaconf in the end gives an error: Saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state. |
| 19:31.05 | kspath | sorry I missed the discussion ignore my questions and comment |
| 19:31.05 | user__ | usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found... |
| 19:31.06 | shuu | ok, |
| 19:31.17 | user__ | im still unable to run alsamixer |
| 19:31.25 | eeyore- | user__: alsaconf |
| 19:31.30 | valdyn | user__: which soundcard do you have? |
| 19:31.33 | user__ | eeyore- i did that several times |
| 19:31.41 | eeyore- | user__: card not supported? |
| 19:31.52 | eeyore- | user__: forgot to compile support for the card? |
| 19:31.54 | user__ | eeyore- it is supported it used to work fine |
| 19:32.04 | user__ | i have proper module loaded |
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| 19:32.13 | user__ | its shit via ac97 |
| 19:32.33 | valdyn | user__: lsmod | grep via |
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| 19:32.49 | eeyore- | more likely the snd_i810 thingie |
| 19:32.51 | user__ | valdyn module is loaded |
| 19:33.04 | valdyn | user__: i still want to see the output of that command |
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| 19:34.03 | user__ | eeyore- nope |
| 19:34.08 | valdyn | !tell user__ -about paste |
| 19:34.12 | user__ | it used to work utnill i updated my system to tetsting |
| 19:34.30 | user__ | valdyn i did not paset into the channell did i |
| 19:34.32 | user__ | :) |
| 19:34.59 | valdyn | user__: evil, but i saw it anyway |
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| 19:35.25 | user__ | so as you cann see the proper module is loaded |
| 19:35.29 | valdyn | user__: ls /dev/snd/ |
| 19:35.44 | user__ | hmm |
| 19:35.52 | user__ | no such directory |
| 19:36.02 | valdyn | user__: dpkg -l udev |
| 19:36.21 | Avdo | i have a question: i've tried to download/burn/install debian 3.1r1 twice, and twice i could trash my DVD's (i downloaded DVD images).. for some reason the setup just freezes in the beginning |
| 19:36.27 | user__ | un udev <brak> (brak dostêpnego opisu) |
| 19:36.40 | ZiDaNe | how to close/open a port with iptables? |
| 19:36.44 | valdyn | user__: LC_ALL=C dpkg -l udev |
| 19:36.55 | user__ | un udev <none> (no description available) |
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| 19:37.03 | valdyn | user__: apt-get install udev |
| 19:37.15 | shuu | omry: nothing hapends when i use init.d/ apache restart |
| 19:37.32 | Thanatermesis | valdyn, ok, SARGE is not good for me because some packages are too old, old programs for the end-user, but the main problem of SARGE for me, i need to compile essential programs from CVS, and this programs of CVS needs libs "to day" of sarge don't have |
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| 19:38.00 | thetallcoolone | if I did a modification in inetd, do I have to reboot for this modification to take effect? |
| 19:38.16 | thetallcoolone | *inetd.conf |
| 19:38.16 | user__ | valdyn thanks man |
| 19:38.25 | valdyn | user__: does it work already? |
| 19:38.27 | cahoot | thetallcoolone: just restart inetd |
| 19:38.29 | user__ | valdyn finally works :D |
| 19:38.35 | thetallcoolone | thanks |
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| 19:39.05 | user__ | i must say debian is moust confusing OS i ever used |
| 19:39.15 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: sarge is not a good base to compile 'the latest stuff' against, but CVS stuff is not a good base to work with ) |
| 19:39.29 | Thanatermesis | valdyn , and ETCH, is the actual of i use, but has A LOT of packges deleted, not included more (why don't enter more?), my solution for some of this is to make a own repository with old packages for have its available |
| 19:39.34 | Avdo | i've tried to install debian 3.1r1 but for some reason the setup just freezes in the beginning? is this due to a corrupt image or is something else wrong? |
| 19:39.43 | virgomoon | It was said this morning that I can cat together the CD images into a DVD image (or 2) and then use rsync to clean them up. Does this sound right? |
| 19:39.50 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: just use sid and cope with its bugs |
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| 19:40.06 | raf256 | pfred1 on #linux proved that debian sucks totally. why is it that way? really noone cared about a grave bug in STABLE? |
| 19:40.17 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: or reconsider your idea to use software compiled 'from cvs' |
| 19:40.22 | raf256 | there is a bug in stable that prevents ALSA to be used? |
| 19:40.24 | Thanatermesis | valdyn you are right, but i need to use CVS because don't exists "stable releases" for this moments (5 years of developement, 3 rewrite of the libs and the code, 1 complete rewrite of the libs) |
| 19:40.33 | stew | raf256: what bug# are you talking about? |
| 19:40.38 | user__ | is there any debian package of linux dc++ ? |
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| 19:40.47 | raf256 | stew: I think he didnt filed in a bug report after all, I must ask |
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| 19:40.57 | virgomoon | if I were to cat 2+ isos together, would that constitute a 'valid' image to mount to the loopback for jigdo to use? |
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| 19:41.18 | [TK]D-Fender | Ok, I'm new here and have never used Debian. I'm coming from Slackware which I've used for around 2 years now andhave some real quick simple questions : 3.1 (Sarge?) Seems to comprise about 14 CD's is this for real? Do I really need them all? Are there better subsets for server/desktop installs? |
| 19:41.28 | user__ | Thanatermesis if you want to compile recent stuff use gentoo |
| 19:41.36 | raf256 | stew: in stable about ALSA module beeing too new for module loader there |
| 19:41.38 | user__ | Thanatermesis or freebsd |
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| 19:41.48 | valdyn | user__: not very confusing, you just missed the device nodes for alsa, installing udev is only one possible fix |
| 19:41.50 | Thanatermesis | valdyn , for the end-user i can't posible to use SID, the stability of the dependencies and conflicts between the packages are too big (also for i build the system, more than 2 GB ) |
| 19:42.01 | stew | raf256: i've never heard of such a bug, and i use alsa on many stable systems |
| 19:42.05 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: for the end user you cant use CVS stuff either |
| 19:42.07 | stew | raf256: what is the exact error message? |
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| 19:42.22 | stew | raf256: something like "incompatible module format"? |
| 19:42.23 | raf256 | stew: ah, we explained: he had that problem few years ago |
| 19:42.34 | raf256 | probably with woody or even the former one |
| 19:42.38 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: sid works perfectly fine though most of the time, you just dont want to push untest upgrades to your users |
| 19:42.39 | Thanatermesis | user__ but im debian lover :) i don't like to use another distro because for me... debian is the better (the better in general for all) |
| 19:42.41 | raf256 | so never mind |
| 19:42.43 | raf256 | :) |
| 19:43.01 | stew | raf256: so he is upset that a bug the he never reported never got fixed... |
| 19:43.15 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: gentoo is a horrible mess compared to sid ;) |
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| 19:43.22 | Shadowcat | debian has it's flaws |
| 19:43.29 | raf256 | stew: no, he just do not want to ever run debian because of that, Im trying to motivate him =) |
| 19:43.37 | Shadowcat | I'll admit that, but if you don't report them it's your own bloody fault |
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| 19:43.52 | Shadowcat | if you don't like how some things are done, you can go fix it yourself |
| 19:44.27 | valdyn | virgomoon: no |
| 19:44.29 | Thanatermesis | valdyn sincerely... i have worked on SID from the 80 % of my time on linux... but after SARGE has turned to stable, SID has turned a total caos, i have need to switch to etch.. and not change from it... |
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| 19:44.52 | Thanatermesis | hehe, don't worry, i don't switch to gentoo ;) |
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| 19:45.15 | kspath | beantoot: emerge gas |
| 19:45.20 | raf256 | I will use both :) |
| 19:45.24 | virgomoon | valdyn, any ideas on how to get these 14 CD images into the 2 DVD images for Sarge w/o downloading the whole thing again? |
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| 19:45.30 | user__ | i switched from freebsd to debian yesterday |
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| 19:45.46 | Shadowcat | virgomoon: why do you need all that? |
| 19:45.50 | valdyn | virgomoon: you can use the CDs as package sources for the jigdo DVDs |
| 19:46.03 | Thanatermesis | for example i remember from long long time, a problem trying to install some things for audio related on debian, because a broken dependency with a version "0.100" of jack*, is posible to the problem continue, its imposible then to offer a system with audio related programs |
| 19:46.05 | fly_80 | hi all |
| 19:46.07 | virgomoon | valdyn, just mounting them on the loopbacks and giving that to jigdo? |
| 19:46.09 | Shadowcat | valdyn: hmm that's a new one |
| 19:46.51 | user__ | and i'll probably switch to gentoo in some time |
| 19:47.04 | fly_80 | what package should I install to develop in C ? today i noticed that i havo no include files ( like stdio.h ) |
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| 19:47.25 | user__ | fly_80 do you have gcc installed? |
| 19:47.27 | Thanatermesis | and ubuntu uses the debian experimental packages.... |
| 19:47.29 | kspath | user__: skip gentoo go directly to LFS |
| 19:47.36 | Thanatermesis | or this is my feeling :) |
| 19:47.38 | fly_80 | user__: yes , i have gcc installed |
| 19:47.50 | user__ | kspath what is LFS |
| 19:47.53 | virgomoon | valdyn, but isn't there a limit of 8 active loopbacks at one time? |
| 19:48.03 | kspath | !lfs |
| 19:48.03 | dpkg | lfs is probably large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about linux from scratch |
| 19:48.06 | virgomoon | sorry, not loopbacks, but loop devices |
| 19:48.16 | user__ | oh |
| 19:48.32 | user__ | this one |
| 19:48.36 | valdyn | virgomoon: no idea. but ~8 CDs is already more than the first dvd |
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| 19:48.41 | fly_80 | i would like to program in C , what should i install ?? |
| 19:48.55 | kspath | user__: Linux From Scratch |
| 19:48.56 | virgomoon | valdyn, ooo ... you're right .. I didn't think of that |
| 19:49.02 | virgomoon | I was thinking all at once |
| 19:49.03 | fly_80 | i nedd also a documantation ( man pages ) |
| 19:49.07 | fly_80 | *need |
| 19:49.12 | virgomoon | valdyn, that's why you get paid the big money, right? |
| 19:49.15 | user__ | kspath this link doesn't seem to be about linux from a scratch ;D |
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| 19:49.17 | Tuxico | fly_80, vim + gcc ? ^^ |
| 19:49.29 | user__ | its about large file support in linux lol |
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| 19:49.31 | EtherNet_Work | hello |
| 19:49.31 | valdyn | virgomoon: heh, i wish |
| 19:49.37 | EtherNet_Work | what is this error reported by apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 19:49.44 | mina_linux_Tux | hello i'm using debian sarge , my system crashed when i was using mozilla, may i know how to use the log dir. to know what was the reason for my system crash, and also i used Noatun to run a video and i can't stop it , always it autorestart ....? any clue ? |
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| 19:49.45 | kspath | user__: you did not read the whole line from dpkg ;- |
| 19:49.46 | Thanatermesis | valdyn what is the date planned for the stable release of etch ? (teorically( |
| 19:49.53 | fly_80 | Tuxico: i have no INCLUDE file !!! |
| 19:49.57 | valdyn | !wwer |
| 19:49.57 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 19:49.59 | virgomoon | valdyn, at any rate .. thank you for your time |
| 19:50.14 | user__ | oh |
| 19:50.16 | user__ | thast right |
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| 19:50.38 | Yango | i just can't stand it... maybe it's spring cleaning time |
| 19:50.49 | fly_80 | today i tried to compile a file.c and i got a lot of undefined reference to stdio.h , stdlib.h and more |
| 19:51.01 | kspath | user__: dpkg said ..., or ask me about linux from scratch |
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| 19:51.41 | user__ | kspath yeap, im thinking about making livecd for some time ;) |
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| 19:52.01 | stew | fly_80: install build-essential |
| 19:52.17 | Yango | btw what is a dust bunny? |
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| 19:52.18 | mina_linux_Tux | hello |
| 19:52.37 | iturk | hi there i have make a image of my linux reiserfs partion then i have format the partion and reseise it to a bigger size than i install the image on it now i have the the partion with the same size as before resising it my cfdisk reports 10 GB but my df -h reports 5 GB. How should i do to change the information on the system in order to obtain the real and total size ?? |
| 19:52.53 | user__ | anyway i used to use gentoo for few years, now i fee like going back |
| 19:52.54 | user__ | :))0 |
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| 19:53.08 | kspath | your loss good luck |
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| 19:53.40 | user__ | its great way to lear about linux but hem, maybe i'll think about it ;D |
| 19:53.42 | mina_linux_Tux | hello anyone can help |
| 19:53.53 | fly_80 | stew: thanks, should i install any other package ? |
| 19:54.06 | iturk | so cfdisk reports 10 GB but my df -h reports 5 GB has old size !! |
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| 19:54.13 | mina_linux_Tux | ..? |
| 19:54.28 | Darien | hey all, I'm getting a strange error with ./configure for an application - 'WARNING: Your GCC installation may be broken. It uses two different static libraries but only one dynamic library for -m32 and -m64 builds.' |
| 19:54.35 | Darien | any idea what that might mean / how to fix it? |
| 19:54.51 | mina_linux_Tux | hello i'm using debian sarge , my system crashed when i was using mozilla, may i know how to use the log dir. to know what was the reason for my system crash, and also i used Noatun to run a video and i can't stop it , always it autorestart ....? any clue ? |
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| 19:55.22 | user__ | mina_linux_Tux are you using nv driver for x? |
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| 19:55.45 | user__ | on my box it causes hard lock ups |
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| 19:56.25 | XeiK | abr si m puede ayudar alguien no hay manera de montar el dvd |
| 19:56.33 | user__ | what the... |
| 19:56.39 | jjazz | !es |
| 19:56.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:56.40 | XeiK | m pone no se ha encontrado el medio |
| 19:56.44 | XeiK | ups |
| 19:56.46 | XeiK | sorry |
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| 19:57.26 | samuel | anyone know programs similar to debfoster? |
| 19:57.59 | AciD | what should you use to auto mount your usb devices, usbmount or pmount (or another thing) ? |
| 19:58.14 | vulture | samuel: if you want orphan tracking, try aptitude |
| 19:58.14 | Mr-R | iturk: reiserfs 3.6? |
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| 19:58.50 | samuel | vulture: aptitude huh? |
| 19:58.56 | samuel | thanks! |
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| 19:59.28 | user__ | now... |
| 19:59.32 | user__ | how do i install gtk+? |
| 19:59.35 | user__ | :-o |
| 19:59.55 | abrotman | apt-cache search lib gtk |
| 20:00.06 | Mr-R | iturk: or just try "resize_reiserfs /dev/yourpartition". resize_reiserfs is part of the reiserfsprogs package |
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| 20:01.32 | ma3x | hi stew! just wanted to greet you, old buddy old friend... :) |
| 20:01.33 | user__ | abrotman well, it shows a lot of crap |
| 20:01.34 | user__ | :) |
| 20:01.47 | abrotman | user__: apt-cache search libgtk |
| 20:02.10 | DomiX | Hi, I've installed slapd and configured pam and nss to use ldap for authentification with login, I can login with my password but my user can see his id I have this prompt "I have no name!@hostname" /etc/libnss_pam.conf sould be world readable or not ? |
| 20:02.10 | XTL | debfoster and deborphan are nice. No idea what aptitude has more, but it hasn't been attractive enough yet. debsecan and aptsh look nice, though. |
| 20:02.19 | ppcthug | hello all, where should java jre be installed? |
| 20:02.36 | DomiX | my user can't see his id* |
| 20:02.41 | user__ | abrotman also... |
| 20:02.55 | vulture | deborphan is retrospective, if I'm not mistaken |
| 20:02.56 | abrotman | user__: so .. pick one? |
| 20:03.08 | vulture | which isn't quite as useful as the tracking features of debfoster or aptitude |
| 20:03.16 | vulture | (at least if you're going to use them continuously) |
| 20:03.19 | user__ | ppcthug you should install java-package and use it to create deb from archive from sun |
| 20:03.26 | abrotman | vulture: deborphan looks for things which nothing depends on .. which i actually prefer |
| 20:03.37 | user__ | abrotman i don't see the proper one |
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| 20:03.44 | abrotman | user__: are you freaking kidding me? |
| 20:03.51 | abrotman | !find libgtk sarge |
| 20:04.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libgtk' (5 of 42): (/usr/lib/libgtkada-2.4.so.0) in libs/libgtkada-2.4 ;; (/usr/lib/ggobi/lib/libgtkext.so) in non-free/math/ggobi ;; (/usr/lib/libgtkada_gl-2.4.so.0) in libs/libgtkada-gl-2.4 ;; (/usr/lib/R/lib/libgtkext.so) in contrib/math/r-omegahat-ggobi ;; (/usr/lib/libgtkada_glade-2.4.so.0) in libs/libgtkada-glade-2.4. |
| 20:04.23 | |078902 | having a errror when executing this perl script |
| 20:04.23 | abrotman | it's like libgtk2.0-0 or some crap |
| 20:04.26 | |078902 | what package do i need |
| 20:04.31 | vulture | abrotman: why? Granted that would have uses in some instances, but I like having a system that can actively track & clean the obvious stuff away (still might leave you with packages you explicitly installed that you don't want - but you can go through those and remove them as you see fit) |
| 20:04.33 | abrotman | or libgtk1.2-<something> |
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| 20:04.36 | |078902 | Can't locate Pex/Text.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at test.php line 13. |
| 20:05.04 | user__ | abrotman okay, but i need at least 2.4 |
| 20:05.06 | valdyn | !find Pex/Text.pm |
| 20:05.07 | vulture | abrotman: They surely both have their uses. I'd just expect tracking to be more frequently useful/used/etc than listing no-deps. |
| 20:05.08 | abrotman | vulture: i'm not that anal about it .. i want unused stuff removed .. that's it .. i don't want to say "oh .. i was just playing with that and i don't really want it installed" .. just show me what's not used |
| 20:05.19 | abrotman | user__: FFS .. use apt-cache .. read the man page .. what version do you have ? |
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| 20:05.28 | ppcthug | user_: what do you mean install java-package? you mean the rpm for red hat and convert it or some debian package? |
| 20:05.30 | iturk | Mr-R: thanks !! ;) |
| 20:05.43 | vulture | abrotman: I go through the "no-auto" packages in Aptitude from time to time if I'm interested in cleaning up my system. |
| 20:05.52 | abrotman | i don't use aptitude |
| 20:05.53 | user__ | ppcthug something liek that, i mean apt-get install fakeroot java package |
| 20:06.01 | user__ | ppcthug download *bin from sun's |
| 20:06.05 | abrotman | !info libgtk2.0-bin sarge |
| 20:06.09 | user__ | and i don't remeber |
| 20:06.13 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-bin: (The programs for the GTK+ graphical user interface library), section misc, is optional. Version: 2.6.4-3.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 20:06.13 | |078902 | <dpkg> Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'Pex/Text.pm' returned no results. |
| 20:06.22 | vulture | abrotman: Hmm, on that note: if you're using deborphan and you remove a package that has no-deps, it's still not going to remove the unused dependencies for you, you'll have to re-invoke deborphan to track them all down? |
| 20:06.24 | XTL | There's some java packages at debian-unofficial.org |
| 20:06.24 | abrotman | user__: see how easy that is .. try not to be so lazy |
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| 20:06.51 | abrotman | vulture: deborphan | awk '{print $1}' | xargs apt-get -y --purge remove ... run that a few times .. all gone :) |
| 20:07.10 | user__ | abrotman it seems that i have it already installed but, for some reason i cannot compile linux dcpp |
| 20:07.17 | user__ | it complains about it |
| 20:07.21 | abrotman | user__: you need -dev packages .. |
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| 20:07.49 | |078902 | vulture do you know about the pex package? |
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| 20:07.56 | vulture | |078902: can't say that I do, no |
| 20:07.57 | soymilk | does anyone know of a replacement front-end for the POS interface of xmms? |
| 20:07.57 | |078902 | i do not seem to find it |
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| 20:08.11 | abrotman | soymilk: zinf is another player |
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| 20:08.22 | joesboxd3b | what is the actual application used by Debian to create WM/DE menus |
| 20:08.23 | abrotman | soymilk: there are dozens of media players |
| 20:08.27 | XTL | mpd is nice and you get to pick from lots of interfaces |
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| 20:08.29 | soymilk | abrotman: but unfortunately xmms has so many plugins i need/want |
| 20:08.30 | abrotman | joesboxd3b: menu or menu-xdg |
| 20:08.32 | octoberdan | hmmm no libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 20:08.36 | abrotman | soymilk: then i guess you're stuck ? |
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| 20:08.42 | XTL | and non-audio can be played with something else anyway. |
| 20:08.44 | vulture | abrotman: Does deborphan have a supression list for the packages with no-deps that you really do want installed? you have to maintain that separately every time you install something? |
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| 20:08.50 | abrotman | vulture: of course |
| 20:08.53 | shuu | J |
| 20:08.53 | joesboxd3b | abrotman: thanks... |
| 20:08.54 | morphex | what kernel parameters do i use to tell the kernel it has 6GB of memory availalable? |
| 20:08.56 | user__ | okay |
| 20:08.58 | user__ | now |
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| 20:09.04 | user__ | its only totall crap |
| 20:09.06 | sifi-x | which is the version nr for Etch right now? |
| 20:09.09 | vulture | abrotman: seems Aptitude would really make life a whole lot simpler (probably debfoster too, though I haven't used it) |
| 20:09.10 | soymilk | abrotman: amarok is kind of nice but lacks plugins |
| 20:09.12 | abrotman | !info nr etch |
| 20:09.16 | valdyn | morphex: no paramters, you need to compile your own kernel |
| 20:09.18 | abrotman | soymilk: what are plugins? |
| 20:09.25 | abrotman | <dpkg> Package 'nr' does not exist. |
| 20:09.26 | soymilk | abrotman: xmms has so many |
| 20:09.29 | user__ | when im tryign to install libgtk2.0-dev there are many dependencies which won't be isntalled like apt said... |
| 20:09.34 | morphex | valdyn, with which options? |
| 20:09.36 | abrotman | soymilk: dunno .. i just use it to play :) |
| 20:09.36 | vulture | since it maintains the list of explicitly and implicitly installed packages, and just cleans it all up whenever it's time |
| 20:09.44 | abrotman | soymilk: thoguh .. corner-xmms is pretty damn cool |
| 20:09.51 | soymilk | abrotman: alarm, voice removal, changing sound characteristics, visualizations, etc. etc. |
| 20:09.59 | user__ | it did not even say why |
| 20:10.02 | octoberdan | What does libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 come with? |
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| 20:10.07 | octoberdan | is it apt-getable |
| 20:10.13 | abrotman | soymilk: unless something else can use xmms plugins .. i'd say you're stuck .. |
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| 20:10.16 | valdyn | morphex: on which architecture? i forgot to ask |
| 20:10.24 | morphex | x86 |
| 20:10.26 | octoberdan | because I already have libstdc++6 |
| 20:10.26 | abrotman | soymilk: zinf has been around a long time too .. but i don't know much about its plugins |
| 20:10.27 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'Pex/Text.pm' returned no results. |
| 20:10.34 | soymilk | abrotman: at 1400x1050 resolution the interface looks like crap |
| 20:10.38 | valdyn | morphex: no athlon64? |
| 20:10.47 | rjt69 | Using apt-get to update firefox reverts to the very old 1.07 version of Firefox. I need Firefox 1.5 to work with beta.mail.yahoo.com. What apt-get package has the latest version of Firefox? |
| 20:10.50 | abrotman | soymilk: do you use gnome ? |
| 20:10.57 | morphex | valdyn, nope.. :| |
| 20:11.16 | soymilk | abrotman: *cough* no |
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| 20:11.31 | rjt69 | I had FIrefox 1.5 installed, but apt-get -f and update reverted to the old one. |
| 20:11.31 | abrotman | soymilk: oh .. well then i can't suggest gdesklets for your interface woes |
| 20:11.33 | valdyn | morphex: HIGHMEM64 or somesuch, should find it in 'processor type and features' |
| 20:11.33 | j0bezone | hello |
| 20:11.35 | soymilk | abrotman: fbpanel/openbox |
| 20:12.01 | abrotman | soymilk: can't help you there .. though .. Blackbox used to have an applet for xmms control |
| 20:12.03 | valdyn | morphex: debian smp kernels only come with support up to 4G iirc |
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| 20:12.12 | morphex | valdyn, ok.. yeah |
| 20:12.24 | morphex | i just need to figure out how to make a new kernel boot |
| 20:12.32 | j0bezone | What can a user do once he finds out the necessary specifications document file for a webcam driver to be developed? What would you do? |
| 20:12.34 | valdyn | !kernel-package |
| 20:12.34 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (use zless or lynx), or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 20:12.38 | user__ | nothing beats WindowMaker ;D |
| 20:12.42 | user__ | i love it |
| 20:12.55 | randomity | !start a wm war |
| 20:12.56 | dpkg | wmaker sucks! |
| 20:12.56 | abrotman | soymilk: http://www.zinf.org/ ... |
| 20:13.02 | morphex | wmaker is the best ;) |
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| 20:13.05 | valdyn | morphex: use kernel-package, then booting off it works automagically ( configuruing it does not though ) |
| 20:13.15 | soymilk | abrotman: i used zinf before, maybe a year or two ago. it crashed frequently. |
| 20:13.15 | octoberdan | oh, apt-file. how usefull |
| 20:13.25 | morphex | valdyn, configuration does not? |
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| 20:13.32 | user__ | !stat randomity a war |
| 20:13.37 | user__ | !start randomity a war |
| 20:13.38 | valdyn | morphex: no, you need to configure that kernel yourself |
| 20:13.42 | user__ | :))) |
| 20:13.57 | randomity | user__, /msg dpkg help |
| 20:13.58 | morphex | hmm |
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| 20:14.12 | user__ | okay |
| 20:14.18 | valdyn | !debian kernel |
| 20:14.22 | valdyn | mm |
| 20:14.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 20:14.41 | user__ | anyway, window maker is moust orgyinal idea of all wm's |
| 20:14.52 | randomity | user__, have you every used wmi? |
| 20:14.53 | ppcthug | user_: I already had the .bin your telling me theres a way to turn it into a debian package? |
| 20:14.54 | morphex | wmaker is simple and sweet |
| 20:15.09 | user__ | ppcthug yes |
| 20:15.11 | user__ | randomity no |
| 20:15.12 | nostalg1c | hello, i'm currently trying to build a natrouter/firewall setup on debian, but it's been over 4 years since i've done IPtables and i don't really have the time or courage to learn it again -- are there any decent non-X packages that will help me set something up ? |
| 20:15.25 | randomity | user__, quite cool. Very lightweight and keyboard-oriented |
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| 20:15.33 | vulture | nostalg1c: shorewall perhaps |
| 20:15.33 | JohnLenin | hi, i'm having a major problem here...i've run alsaconf and it finds my soundcard ok, but when i run alsamixer or any other alsa app it says there's no sound cards available... |
| 20:15.36 | JohnLenin | lspci finds the card, all modules are loaded, its played sound before. i have an emu10k1 card (creative thingy). Anyone got any idea what's going on? |
| 20:15.38 | octoberdan | backports.org is like a drug... you become dependent on it and develop an inability to work without it |
| 20:15.48 | Daedalus_ | nostalg1c, perhaps shorewall? |
| 20:15.57 | vulture | JohnLenin: are you in the audio group? |
| 20:15.58 | octoberdan | Mainly because older versions stop working on newer libraries |
| 20:16.03 | nostalg1c | i'm getting strong vibes towards shorewall |
| 20:16.10 | JohnLenin | vulture: i'm working as root until i can get this to work |
| 20:16.10 | Rapp | hi. i've got a logitech rx300 mouse here, which does not want to use its 3rd button (middle mouse button). any idea what i can do? |
| 20:16.12 | randomity | nostalg1c, You could use fwbuilder, which is an X package but can package the firewall as a shell script to install on a non-X machine |
| 20:16.15 | user__ | randomity i'll check it out |
| 20:16.23 | vulture | JohnLenin: *shrugs* |
| 20:16.29 | abrotman | soymilk: there are many other players .. but most are for gnome/kde |
| 20:16.30 | nostalg1c | randomity, i don't have any X machines handy atm :( |
| 20:16.32 | mina_linux_Tux | hello i'm using debian sarge , my system crashed when i was using mozilla, may i know how to use the log dir. to know what was the reason for my system crash, and also i used Noatun to run a video and i can't stop it , always it autorestart ....? any clue ? |
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| 20:16.38 | user__ | ppcthug as user do: fakeroot make-jpkg /patch/to/your/java.bin |
| 20:16.42 | Drakas | how do i configure wireless access? |
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| 20:16.50 | Drakas | like , changing the WEP key and things like that?! |
| 20:16.52 | Daedalus_ | Drakas: iwconfig |
| 20:17.02 | Drakas | hmm "does not exist" |
| 20:17.06 | Drakas | i had tried that |
| 20:17.10 | Drakas | and i am on debian |
| 20:17.10 | stew | Drakas: install wireless-tools ; man wireless ; man iwconfig |
| 20:17.14 | Daedalus_ | apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 20:17.20 | Drakas | ok :) |
| 20:17.23 | Drakas | thx |
| 20:17.36 | randomity | nostalg1c, it also exists for mac/windows and can make linux firewalls from them |
| 20:17.51 | octoberdan | No man for me :( |
| 20:18.04 | octoberdan | Still haven't figured out how to get it back. apt-get install man doesn't work |
| 20:18.35 | nostalg1c | randomity, that sounds promising, thank you |
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| 20:18.43 | Darien | octoberdan: man-db |
| 20:18.45 | randomity | nostalg1c, fwbuilder.org |
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| 20:19.13 | octoberdan | Darien: Didn't work before... I'll try it with backports |
| 20:19.16 | octoberdan | Yay |
| 20:19.19 | octoberdan | Darien: Thanks |
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| 20:19.49 | octoberdan | All that's left is getting libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 20:20.38 | octoberdan | and whatever it leads to... |
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| 20:21.45 | octoberdan | wget is probably one of the three most usefull utilities |
| 20:21.53 | octoberdan | atleast by my preference |
| 20:22.02 | user__ | damn, this wmii is too confising for me ;D |
| 20:22.04 | hid3 | Having a strange issue here.. Is there any way to findout if the system supports 2 or more CPUs on a non-SMP kernel? And if there are installed any more than 1? |
| 20:22.17 | Rapp | anyone got an idea for my mouse problem? |
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| 20:22.39 | ppcthug | user_: couldn't find package java-package |
| 20:22.52 | randomity | user__, me too. Try wmi, the previous version. I think its better, and it has a decent manpage |
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| 20:23.12 | octoberdan | user_: I don't think it works with the latest java anyways |
| 20:23.14 | benjamindees | hid3, 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' should give some info |
| 20:23.22 | cheal | Rapp: which kernel do you use? |
| 20:23.22 | user__ | randomity but is there a debian package for me? |
| 20:23.24 | octoberdan | go to debianunofficial |
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| 20:23.28 | hid3 | well, it doesn't :( |
| 20:23.34 | octoberdan | it has the jre there |
| 20:23.35 | benjamindees | hid3, but I don't think any systems support multiple cpus on a non-smp kernel |
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| 20:23.39 | user__ | octoberdan i have installed lastest jdk with it |
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| 20:23.49 | user__ | ppcthug apt-get install java-package? |
| 20:23.49 | Rapp | cheal: 2.6.12 |
| 20:23.56 | duckdown | How can I take a screenshot in X? I'm having a problem with something |
| 20:24.07 | user__ | duckdown apt-get install scrot |
| 20:24.08 | Rapp | i think it's some stock unstable kernel |
| 20:24.15 | ppcthug | user_: yea that doesn't work for me |
| 20:24.15 | duckdown | user__: thanks |
| 20:24.20 | hid3 | benjamindees: well, this is a default installation here. And I dunno if the machine supoprts it hardwareically at all; |
| 20:24.22 | morphex | duckdown, 'import screen.png' |
| 20:24.31 | cheal | Rapp: does $ cat /dev/input/mice; do something when you use the middle button? |
| 20:24.36 | user__ | ppcthug apt-get update && apt-get install java-package? |
| 20:24.51 | jack3rz | anyone use vsftpd ? |
| 20:24.53 | Rapp | cheal: moment, gotta check the laundry first :) |
| 20:25.01 | Tchiak | h |
| 20:25.07 | benjamindees | hid3, oh so you want to see if you need a smp kernel? |
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| 20:25.21 | tr1gg3r | hid3, well u will need to find out if u 2+ cpus by looking at the hardware and install an smp kernel if so |
| 20:25.22 | hid3 | benjamindees: yes, exactly. |
| 20:25.27 | valdyn | ppcthug: java-package is in contrib |
| 20:25.33 | benjamindees | hid3, no harm in trying |
| 20:25.55 | hid3 | well, it would be just a waste of time if it doesn't have 2 cpus ;-) |
| 20:26.17 | quasisane | hid3: you might try dmidecode , that might tell you something |
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| 20:26.35 | benjamindees | hid3, use lspci to get the chipset and google to see if it supports smp |
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| 20:26.50 | hid3 | good idea, i'll try it |
| 20:26.59 | goron | If my monitor makes a high frequent sound... is it broken? |
| 20:27.17 | goron | CRT monitor that is. |
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| 20:27.36 | iostream | Hi.. I have a sequence of numbers in a plain text file (0-255). The sequance is actually an 8bit recording done at 44.1KHz, my question is, how can I convert this data into an .wav file? |
| 20:27.38 | XTL | goron: not neccessarily, I think. But there shouldn't be loud sounds coming out of monitors normally. |
| 20:28.00 | octoberdan | goron: probably not. I hear it all the time. It's from shit discharging if I remember correctly |
| 20:28.08 | octoberdan | goron: It drives me nuts |
| 20:28.21 | goron | Hmm, now it stopped :) |
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| 20:28.35 | goron | I never had this problem before. |
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| 20:28.53 | XTL | I can hear the sync from many crt tv's. That drives me nuts. |
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| 20:30.54 | kspath | Did ewe read High Performance Discovery in Time Series : Techniques and Case Studies (Monographs in Computer Science) ? |
| 20:31.19 | ppcthug | valdyn and user_ : thanks, forgot to add contrib to the list |
| 20:31.24 | Rapp | cheal: no, nothing happens |
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| 20:32.27 | cheal | Rapp: it seems like your kernel doesn't support your third button |
| 20:32.35 | Rapp | hmm |
| 20:32.41 | meneg | any idea why i get "W: There are no public key available for the following" etc. when apt-get updating on sid? |
| 20:32.50 | Rapp | cheal: but how? and is there anything one can do? |
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| 20:33.19 | meneg | lol |
| 20:33.21 | cheal | meneg: /topic ? |
| 20:33.31 | meneg | :) |
| 20:33.51 | cheal | Rapp: I don't know. do you know if your mouse requires special drivers? |
| 20:33.55 | abrotman | damn it .. who put that pesky topic in the channel! |
| 20:34.05 | cheal | Rapp: for that button, at least |
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| 20:34.22 | Rapp | cheal: no, no idea. thought it was just a standard scroll wheel mouse |
| 20:34.28 | buu | So amazing debianites. I recently did a dist-upgrade and moved to xorg. Now my monitors don't enter powersave mode any more. Anyone got a fix? |
| 20:34.36 | Rapp | i mean, why need a driver for the middle mouse button? :( |
| 20:34.45 | abrotman | buu: setup DPMS ? |
| 20:34.47 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 20:34.47 | dpkg | [dpms] know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
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| 20:35.06 | abrotman | buu: alternately .. fix your finger |
| 20:35.08 | valdyn | buu: on a radeon? |
| 20:35.32 | buu | valdyn: Um. I think it's a gf |
| 20:35.32 | cheal | Rapp: I haven't seen such a case yet. I think I've seen a USB mouse need special drivers though |
| 20:35.41 | buu | valdyn: One is onboard and one is a gf I think |
| 20:35.47 | cheal | abrotman: what did I do again? |
| 20:35.53 | SimonRaven | my finger works fine |
| 20:35.53 | Rapp | cheal: hm, that would suck. |
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| 20:36.04 | valdyn | buu: great, so its not driver specific |
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| 20:36.15 | SimonRaven | ,.|.. # see? works fine |
| 20:36.18 | miisiike | hello |
| 20:36.20 | buu | valdyn: I doubt it. |
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| 20:36.40 | miisiike | how can i change the display resolution in debian???? |
| 20:36.53 | valdyn | !drxx miisiike |
| 20:36.53 | dpkg | miisiike: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 20:37.04 | valdyn | miisiike: or ctrl-alt-+ or xrandr |
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| 20:37.14 | miisiike | but i can change max 800*600 |
| 20:37.20 | miisiike | i must 1024*768 |
| 20:37.24 | buu | Hrm. I already had an Option "DPMS" in my xorg.conf |
| 20:37.31 | buu | Do you suppose it requires the "on" in xorg now? |
| 20:37.57 | miisiike | where is the xorg? |
| 20:38.13 | valdyn | buu: your logfile should tell |
| 20:38.29 | valdyn | miisiike: xorg has nothing to do with this |
| 20:38.38 | buu | valdyn: Hrm... |
| 20:38.50 | valdyn | buu: grep -i dpms /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:39.18 | buu | valdyn: (**) NV(0): DPMS enabled |
| 20:39.29 | jak_ | hi. i cant get openoffice to run in german (using ooffice 2.0). ive installed the german language package... any links or stuff? THX |
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| 20:39.48 | XTL | "After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms "... |
| 20:39.52 | miisiike | ok |
| 20:39.55 | valdyn | jak_: try 'LC_ALL=de_DE ooffice' |
| 20:39.57 | miisiike | i probe |
| 20:39.58 | miisiike | thx |
| 20:40.05 | klarakarl | Hi all Need help with cgiirc (it is a cgi that lets you connect to an irc server ) How can I set locale for the cgi, The system locale is utf, but I need to set locale for this cgi separate |
| 20:40.05 | buu | XTL: But why would my 'xsettings' change? |
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| 20:41.04 | valdyn | klarakarl: edit the cgi and set the locale |
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| 20:41.07 | jak_ | valdyn: doh... works, THANK YOU! |
| 20:41.09 | abrotman | buu: did you check the xset values ? |
| 20:41.38 | valdyn | jak_: dpkg-reconfigure locales to make your whole system german |
| 20:41.38 | buu | abrotman: No, I hadn't figured out how yet. |
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| 20:41.52 | cire | I'd like to build some packets on my own instead of using the binaries. I think debian has apt-src which may do that. Do you know a good howto with an introduction to the necessary tools? |
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| 20:42.10 | klarakarl | valdyn: It is a set of cgi scripts do not want to edit all of them is there a way to configure apache |
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| 20:42.21 | Tortel | cire: apt-get -build-bep $package |
| 20:42.22 | stew | cire: /msg dpkg mg ; msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 20:42.32 | valdyn | klarakarl: no idea |
| 20:42.40 | Tortel | cire: apt-get source --build $package |
| 20:42.43 | cire | thank you |
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| 20:43.00 | SimonRaven | s/-build-dep/build-dep/ |
| 20:43.04 | abrotman | buu: i think it's uhm .. xset -q .. to show them |
| 20:43.13 | valdyn | klarakarl: even if its many scripts only 1 or very few might be called directly by apache |
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| 20:43.18 | abrotman | apt: what? |
| 20:43.24 | valdyn | klarakarl: i cant dont know that from here |
| 20:43.32 | abrotman | uhm .. i think apt has gone nuts |
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| 20:43.35 | SimonRaven | wtf |
| 20:43.41 | abrotman | apt: what are you |
| 20:43.43 | apt | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 20:43.43 | buu | abrotman: Well, I just set them using xset, so we'll see if it works. |
| 20:43.47 | stew | abrotman: yeah, new "feature" if you type s/a/b/ on a line by itself |
| 20:43.50 | valdyn | s/kla/alk |
| 20:43.51 | valdyn | s/kla/alk/ |
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| 20:44.00 | valdyn | ... |
| 20:44.01 | abrotman | apt: shuddup |
| 20:44.02 | apt | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 20:44.05 | buu | woah |
| 20:44.09 | usernameDeb02 | thingfish, hey pally |
| 20:44.09 | abrotman | that's not a feature .. |
| 20:44.11 | SimonRaven | apt: why are you nuts? |
| 20:44.13 | apt | SimonRaven: what are you talking about? |
| 20:44.14 | klarakarl | valdyn: there must be a way to set environment variable LANG in apache configs |
| 20:44.40 | abrotman | and of course .. apt's owner .. isn't here anymore afaik |
| 20:44.43 | SimonRaven | klarakarl: yes |
| 20:44.43 | abrotman | apt: who owns you |
| 20:44.45 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 20:45.07 | stew | klarakarl: put it in /etc/default/apache |
| 20:45.12 | abrotman | SimonRaven: are you in -bots too ? |
| 20:45.24 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 20:45.38 | abrotman | SimonRaven: is tim there also? .. any chance of getting that feature .. killed? |
| 20:45.47 | klarakarl | SimonRaven: How you do that I need to do it for a specific site |
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| 20:46.02 | stew | klarakarl: actually it looks like apache's initscript might not honour /etc/default/apache, but apache2 does, so if you are on apache1 then edit /etc/init.d/apache directly |
| 20:46.18 | SimonRaven | AddCharset ; AddLanguage; |
| 20:46.33 | SimonRaven | look them up in apache[2]-doc |
| 20:46.37 | klarakarl | stew:I need to do it for a specific site not global |
| 20:46.59 | stew | klarakarl: sounds like SimonRaven has the answer then |
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| 20:47.38 | klarakarl | SimonRaven: Thanks |
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| 20:47.45 | cnet2 | hi, i want to monitor my ISP for uptime/delay/jitter, anyone know a good free monitor? |
| 20:47.52 | Drakas | hi |
| 20:47.56 | Drakas | me again ;/ |
| 20:48.12 | Drakas | tried lots of different configs still wont work ( WEP + WLAN) |
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| 20:48.25 | marty | i have a problem with thunderbird: only my mail with no attachments can be viewed |
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| 20:48.40 | Drakas | plus, my NEt utility doesn't work , says something about lib/interfaces or something like that, what is this??! |
| 20:48.41 | marty | does anyone know what setting or quirk might change that |
| 20:48.56 | marty | and more importantly, is anyone willing to help? |
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| 20:50.47 | marty | q |
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| 20:55.10 | rjt69 | logan: putting mozilla-firefox has allowed me to "apt-get install libdvdcss2" -- thank you very much for pointer. |
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| 20:56.01 | benjamindees | can anybody on unstable with kde & java tell me if the per-domain plugin blocking in konqueror works? |
| 20:56.01 | rjt69 | logan: meant to say, your recommendation putting mozilla-firefox on "hold" seems to have fixed my problem ... thank you. |
| 20:56.10 | _iH8|ws | are there any issues with swat i should know off? mine doesn't run. fresh install with only smbd&swat |
| 20:56.12 | a|ex | can someone tell me the grep comd to search for a string in a bunch of file in a dir, I think it uses -i but for some reasons I can't get it to work |
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| 20:56.27 | lxIT | Hello everyone |
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| 20:56.54 | pzn | Hi! I'm using debian sarge and I'm going to buy an wireless card. does anyone knows if Intel pro wireless 2200 and pro wireless 2915 work well with linux? |
| 20:56.58 | benjamindees | a|ex, man grep |
| 20:57.03 | LoRez | a|ex: grep 'foo' * |
| 20:57.25 | oz__ | pzn: IntelPro wireless is fine |
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| 20:57.30 | lxIT | Someone has a Shuttle SN25P with Debian working? |
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| 20:57.36 | tr1gg3r | pzn, i dont know about the sarge kernel but those drivers were recently included in the vanilla kernel |
| 20:57.44 | pzn | oz__, both models 2200 and 2915? |
| 20:57.54 | a|ex | LoRez, I have tried this |
| 20:58.10 | oz__ | 2200 yes 2915 i don't know. |
| 20:58.11 | LoRez | a|ex: well, it works just fine. |
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| 20:58.46 | pzn | tr1gg3r, do you know the driver name? |
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| 20:59.34 | oz__ | pzn install the linux kernel source and read the documentation. ;) |
| 20:59.46 | tr1gg3r | oz__, i dont recall, i think something like ipw220 |
| 20:59.48 | oz__ | the exeact answer depends on your kernel version. |
| 20:59.52 | a|ex | LoRez, I am trying to find in which files is the string str, and grep 'foo' * does not work for me |
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| 21:00.08 | LoRez | then grep 'str' * |
| 21:00.23 | a|ex | LoRez, cmon |
| 21:00.34 | LoRez | a|ex: upi |
| 21:00.35 | tr1gg3r | pzn, oops that was supposed to be directed at u so i dont recall, i think something like ipw220 |
| 21:00.41 | lxIT | Maybe a stupid question, but can I grab the latest kernel version from kernel.org and compile it "the debian way"? |
| 21:00.55 | tr1gg3r | yes |
| 21:01.11 | LoRez | a|ex: you're the one that can't seem to understand a manpage. That is really all there is to using grep. If you're f'ing up the case of the string '-i' will help you. |
| 21:01.22 | lxIT | oke... I've to try, because my sound isn't working on my new pc |
| 21:01.33 | tr1gg3r | lxIT, make-kpkg --rev custom kernel_image once u have a working config, u may need an initrd too |
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| 21:02.41 | lxIT | tr1gg3r: I've compiled my kernel before (but it was the stock kernel from sarge), didn't know if I needed to stay with the "debian"-kernels or not |
| 21:02.56 | benjamindees | a|ex, what is the exact string? |
| 21:03.15 | tr1gg3r | lxIT, ahh no it makes no difference im running 2.6.15 from kernel.org on sid right now |
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| 21:04.29 | lxIT | oke... but I'm running the Debian AMD64 "unofficial stable", think it doesn't matter either, is it? |
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| 21:04.46 | a|ex | benjamindees, I am reading the docs no worries |
| 21:05.04 | tr1gg3r | lxIT, i dont run 64bit but i should make no difference |
| 21:06.00 | lxIT | oke... |
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| 21:06.34 | lxIT | another question (maybe stupid too, but I'll ask anyway) : Can I first install Ubuntu and install Debian next to it (each on different HDD) without a problem? |
| 21:06.36 | Orby | which kernel should a AMD K6-2 use ? 386,486 or 686 ? |
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| 21:06.47 | antonio_ | hiii |
| 21:06.57 | linuxfreck | Orby: 686 |
| 21:06.58 | antonio_ | are u there? |
| 21:07.02 | abrotman | linuxfreck: NO |
| 21:07.09 | antonio_ | :( |
| 21:07.12 | abrotman | Orby: 386 |
| 21:07.18 | benjamindees | Orby, k6 ? |
| 21:07.22 | linuxfreck | abrotman: why? |
| 21:07.23 | abrotman | afaik .. there is no 486 kernel |
| 21:07.27 | tr1gg3r | lxIT, yes |
| 21:07.29 | abrotman | !686 |
| 21:07.30 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
| 21:07.30 | Orby | abrotman: ummm i have one :/ |
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| 21:07.34 | antonio_ | I need an help to use share the internet access |
| 21:07.51 | linuxfreck | abrotman: k6 is i686 compatible, no? |
| 21:08.01 | Orby | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.15-1-486 - Linux kernel 2.6.15 image on 486-class machines |
| 21:08.02 | abrotman | linuxfreck: are you 100% sure it's 100% compatible? |
| 21:08.09 | abrotman | Orby: ah .. ok .. |
| 21:08.15 | lxIT | tr1gg3r: oke... then I'll install Ubuntu to get on with my work, while trying to get Debian fully working :D |
| 21:08.18 | abrotman | Orby: there is no k5 or k6 or k6-2 ? |
| 21:08.32 | linuxfreck | abrotman: are you 100% sure it's 386 compatible? |
| 21:08.37 | abrotman | linuxfreck: yes |
| 21:08.39 | Orby | abrotman: i dont see a k5 or k6, only k7 |
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| 21:08.50 | linuxfreck | abrotman: how do you know? |
| 21:09.14 | abrotman | linuxfreck: read the docs .. afaik .. k6-2 doesn't implement parts of the 686 instruction set |
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| 21:09.29 | Orby | so really i should just use 386 to be safe ?> |
| 21:09.35 | abrotman | i would |
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| 21:09.45 | Orby | ok :) thats all i needed to know :) |
| 21:09.53 | linuxfreck | afaik the 686 kernel always worked for me and amd advertises it to be compatible. |
| 21:10.15 | antonio_ | I need an help for share the internet access in a wlan |
| 21:10.27 | lxIT | Is there a 586-class kernel? |
| 21:10.37 | abrotman | there used to be |
| 21:10.39 | antonio_ | that |
| 21:10.44 | antonio_ | working |
| 21:10.45 | benjamindees | antonio_, www.shorewall.net is the best resource I know of |
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| 21:10.48 | abrotman | linuxfreck: on debian or in general ? |
| 21:11.10 | SimonRaven | @wb nvz |
| 21:11.11 | ravenbird | Welcome back nvz, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
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| 21:11.18 | abrotman | linuxfreck: if the code is optimized for 686 .. and your cpu doesn't understand that instruction .. what do you think happens? |
| 21:11.18 | linuxfreck | abrotman: in debian |
| 21:11.21 | nvz | yep, I am leaving though |
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| 21:11.30 | nvz | my buddy got a new car.. gonna go break it in right |
| 21:11.32 | abrotman | (not code .. compiled binary) |
| 21:11.46 | benjamindees | lxIT, kernel-image-2.4.27-2-586tsc |
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| 21:11.53 | SimonRaven | by pissing in it? :P |
| 21:11.57 | linuxfreck | abrotman: it will call the os signalling illegal instruction if it was in user mode |
| 21:11.57 | nvz | heh |
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| 21:12.07 | linuxfreck | else it may just crash or do wierd things |
| 21:12.14 | benjamindees | abrotman, it opens the secret entrance to the land of Narnia? |
| 21:12.15 | lxIT | benjamindees: It's just that a K6-2 is a 586-class cpu, I think... |
| 21:12.22 | antonio_ | on debian |
| 21:12.32 | UnKnowN-school | How do you install java on debian? |
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| 21:12.53 | nvz | UnKnowN-school: with the built-in expresso machine :P |
| 21:12.56 | SimonRaven | !java package |
| 21:12.58 | nvz | UnKnowN-school: or the java-package |
| 21:12.58 | UnKnowN-school | :/ |
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| 21:13.04 | UnKnowN-school | It doesn't work :( |
| 21:13.10 | SimonRaven | !java-package |
| 21:13.10 | dpkg | somebody said java-package was a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 21:13.16 | nvz | !doesnt work |
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| 21:13.22 | nvz | !doesn't work |
| 21:13.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 21:13.38 | fooz | dpkg contents include/jni.h |
| 21:13.44 | UnKnowN-school | I fucking hate Redhat |
| 21:13.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'include/jni.h' (4): (/usr/lib/kaffe/include/jni.h) in interpreters/kaffe-dev ;; (/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/include/jni.h) in libdevel/libgcj6-dev ;; (/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.4.2-gcj-4.0-1.4.2.0/include/jni.h) in devel/java-gcj-compat-dev ;; (/usr/lib/gcc-snapshot/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.0/include/jni.h) in devel/gcc-snapshot. |
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| 21:14.03 | charwood | I'm running Debian Unstable. There seem to be problems with xlibmesa-gl? Can this be confirmed? |
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| 21:14.22 | SimonRaven | !btssmite charwood |
| 21:14.25 | charwood | The package won't properly uninstall and I'm not much of a dpkg hack so I can't really update. |
| 21:14.27 | beardy | cheal: Checked the bts? |
| 21:14.29 | UnKnowN-school | I got back to stable it works now :D |
| 21:14.29 | abrotman | linuxfreck: i can't find anything to say either way .. so i'd play it safe .. do as you wish |
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| 21:14.46 | beardy | charwood: Checked the bts? |
| 21:14.46 | kspath | !feynman |
| 21:15.03 | lxIT | what's the command to see your current IP? |
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| 21:15.10 | UnKnowN-school | ... |
| 21:15.17 | SimonRaven | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 21:15.21 | lxIT | tnx |
| 21:15.26 | airox | Is there some fast moving debian repository for 2.6 kernel images ? |
| 21:15.27 | beardy | lxIT: /sbin/ifconfig should tellyou |
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| 21:15.45 | tr1gg3r | airox, unstable |
| 21:15.46 | UnKnowN-school | hey is the java image just really slow on downloading? |
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| 21:15.51 | UnKnowN-school | Or is it connection? |
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| 21:17.15 | UnKnowN-school | hm does i585 version of java not for i686? |
| 21:17.15 | airox | tr1gg3r: Using the unstable kernel image in testing wouldn't be good would it ? |
| 21:18.03 | airox | I should have asked that question in general. |
| 21:18.10 | benjamindees | UnKnowN-school, it is compatible |
| 21:18.11 | tr1gg3r | airox, i dont see why that would cause any issues, and just dont remove ur testing kernel until u r sure it works |
| 21:18.23 | a|ex | idxoia |
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| 21:19.16 | omry | my clock appears off by two hours after ntpdate (I am at GMT+2), how do I fix it? |
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| 21:19.34 | abrotman | !wud |
| 21:19.35 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 21:19.35 | setog3 | ... |
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| 21:20.23 | omry | abrotman, was that for me? |
| 21:20.36 | abrotman | omry: no .. but i can give you one if you like :) |
| 21:20.47 | omry | abrotman, I think I`ll pass, thanks :) |
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| 21:20.58 | abrotman | omry: check /etc/default/rcS |
| 21:21.08 | abrotman | omry: make sure your clock options are correct in there |
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| 21:22.03 | omry | abrotman, ah, I`ll try to turn off utc. thanks. |
| 21:22.07 | omry | didn't know where that was. |
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| 21:22.43 | maxb | omry: Also, see the 'tzconfig' command |
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| 21:22.53 | foot | can anybody reccommend a good text editor under gtk2 capable of c++ syntax hilighting? |
| 21:23.07 | omry | maxb, I did tzconfig. |
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| 21:23.37 | SimonRaven | vim-gtk |
| 21:23.39 | quasisane | foot: emacs-snapshot-gtk |
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| 21:23.54 | kspath | dang SimonRaven beat me to it |
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| 21:24.18 | foot | quasisane, why do i get the feeling i'll need a good week to learn how to use that |
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| 21:24.35 | omry | abrotman, toggled UTC off (thinking if its acting wrong now, it must be okay after I toggle). re-ran ntpdate, but the clock is still off. |
| 21:24.41 | quasisane | foot: a week? that optimistic |
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| 21:24.48 | kspath | !wm |
| 21:24.48 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. |
| 21:24.53 | foot | can i add teh word 'lightweight' to my search? |
| 21:25.11 | jjazz | nothing lighter weight than vim |
| 21:25.11 | SimonRaven | vim-gtk is lighter |
| 21:25.25 | SimonRaven | other than nvi or vim-tiny |
| 21:25.44 | SimonRaven | or nano. but nano mostly sucks, except when you've fucked up your .vimrc |
| 21:25.49 | jjazz | vim is like a very tiny swiss army knife. All the blades are so small you can't tell which one you're opening until you've cut your toe off. |
| 21:25.59 | SimonRaven | heheh |
| 21:26.17 | foot | vim-gtk is gtk1.2 |
| 21:26.24 | maxb | jjazz: I use vim every day, but I'm still amused :-) |
| 21:26.28 | foot | im trying for some kind of consistency here |
| 21:26.31 | SimonRaven | no it isn't |
| 21:26.39 | jjazz | maxb: I use vim everyday... still have three toes left. |
| 21:26.49 | kspath | emacs is like a chainsaw pretending to be an OS with all applications and language |
| 21:26.57 | SimonRaven | libgpmg1 (>= 1.19.6-1), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), l |
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| 21:27.07 | SimonRaven | parts of the Depends: line |
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| 21:27.13 | quasisane | kspath: and this is a problem how? |
| 21:27.33 | kspath | quasisane: --sane |
| 21:27.37 | foot | woops, wrong. vim-gtk _is_ gtk2 |
| 21:27.40 | jjazz | I would use emacs, but I don't speak lisp. |
| 21:27.43 | SimonRaven | just because something is named -gtk instead of gtk2 doesn't make it gtk 1 |
| 21:27.58 | foot | lightweight! this is light?: After unpacking 16.7MB of additional disk space will be used. |
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| 21:28.07 | kspath | emacs speaks with a lisp |
| 21:28.31 | SimonRaven | compared to 50+ MB, sure |
| 21:28.33 | foot | beaver is lightweight |
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| 21:28.38 | whatever | :o |
| 21:28.51 | eeyore- | tom's hardware, oil-filled PC :-) |
| 21:29.06 | kspath | makes sense |
| 21:29.09 | UnKnowN-school | fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; doesn't work |
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| 21:29.19 | SimonRaven | oookaaay... and what makes it that it doesn't catch fire? |
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| 21:29.30 | jjazz | SimonRaven: why would it catch fire? |
| 21:29.38 | omry | UnKnowN-school, doesn't work how? |
| 21:29.39 | kspath | no oxygen |
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| 21:29.41 | whatever | so, are software raid arrays expandable? I was thinking about setting up a software raid5 on 3 drives, and later adding a 4th, I wonder if it would freak out or not. |
| 21:29.49 | SimonRaven | oil |
| 21:29.52 | UnKnowN-school | oh wait nvm |
| 21:29.52 | kspath | just filter out contaminants and make sure it is sealed |
| 21:29.54 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: oil-filled PC? |
| 21:30.09 | rlaskey | if I haven't updated in a while and I'm now getting a GPG NO KEY error, is this normal? |
| 21:30.10 | verso | good evening guys!, i need a lot of help.. is there somebody so annoyed to help this n00b???? |
| 21:30.15 | SimonRaven | kspath: yeh yeh, whatever :P |
| 21:30.19 | SimonRaven | heheh |
| 21:30.20 | jjazz | SimonRaven: oil isn't that flammable. The oil-filled PC never gets hot enough, with or without oxygen. |
| 21:30.26 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: it's cooking oil ... have you successfully gotten cooking oil to really catch on fire? :-) you're more adventurous than i |
| 21:30.26 | whatever | verso: yo want someone thats annoyed to help you? |
| 21:30.36 | benjamindees | !tell verso about ask to ask |
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| 21:30.42 | derrick | What recommend me to install ubuntu or debian? |
| 21:30.46 | SimonRaven | jjazz: i'm pulling your chain. |
| 21:30.56 | Sm0ke0ut | evening, i've a question about Debian OS, my accounts are in UTC (date) and my root user in CET how can I change all users to CET timezone? |
| 21:30.57 | verso | i've old laptop.. |
| 21:31.03 | whatever | derrick: ...you're asking this in the debian channel? |
| 21:31.06 | SimonRaven | CDNTITM |
| 21:31.07 | benjamindees | derrick, debian; ask in #ubuntu for a second opinion |
| 21:31.08 | verso | i want to install Linux onj.. |
| 21:31.20 | derrick | ok benjamindees |
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| 21:31.26 | kspath | jjazz: so you had tatoos to replace your eye brows? |
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| 21:31.44 | SimonRaven | @CDNTITM is <reply>Comedy Does Not Translate In Text Mode |
| 21:31.44 | ravenbird | okay, SimonRaven |
| 21:31.45 | jjazz | kspath: the answer, as it turns out, is "not as flammable as you think" |
| 21:31.47 | verso | i tried with dsl but i've some problem, so i'm thinking to install debian.. |
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| 21:31.49 | whatever | kspath: ...thats kinda cool, you could make some sweet designs. |
| 21:32.21 | verso | problem is: i've just floppy disk!! |
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| 21:32.33 | UnKnowN-school | how do you enable java in firefox? |
| 21:32.34 | verso | second: i never tried to install debian! |
| 21:32.36 | eeyore- | i just hope they didn't have to reset any jumper once they filled the thing with oil and seal the case :-))))) |
| 21:32.54 | kspath | just drain it like a car |
| 21:32.56 | kspath | no problem |
| 21:32.56 | whatever | verso: that would be very hard I think |
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| 21:33.06 | benjamindees | !tell UnKnowN-school about java-package |
| 21:33.07 | jjazz | kspath: Until the gas got pretty hot, we had to pretty much touch the flame to the surface of the fuel. After it got hot (we kept putting it out), waving the open flame near it was enough. Still hotter, heating the side of the drum was enough. It was an interesting experiment. |
| 21:33.19 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: seriusly though, i use sunflower oil to cook, and olive as other stuff (cooking, but no heat, like e.g. salads) |
| 21:33.20 | Sm0ke0ut | evening, i've a question about Debian OS, my accounts are in UTC (date) and my root user in CET how can I change all users to CET timezone? (tzconfig, ntpdate, locale doesn't fix the problem) |
| 21:33.22 | verso | whatever: how can i do just having floppy with me? |
| 21:33.22 | UnKnowN-school | i did that firefox wont do it |
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| 21:33.41 | whatever | verso: I don't know. : / |
| 21:33.45 | verso | is there some guides for stupid guyz |
| 21:33.48 | miisiike | hello all |
| 21:33.52 | benjamindees | UnKnowN-school, ls /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so |
| 21:33.53 | miisiike | i m angry!!! |
| 21:34.04 | kspath | jjazz: pressure temp humidity oxygen content winds a lot of variables |
| 21:34.06 | whatever | verso: you might try a search for "debian floppy install" on google |
| 21:34.06 | jjazz | verso: debian install guide |
| 21:34.10 | miisiike | i can't change the screen resolution |
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| 21:34.15 | SimonRaven | i'm not. yet. |
| 21:34.16 | miisiike | whyy???? |
| 21:34.17 | UnKnowN-school | hmmm |
| 21:34.22 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: cooking and no heat ... not good bedfellows :-) |
| 21:34.31 | jjazz | kspath: OK, so it wasn't exactly rigirous science, but it was no worse than, say, Myth Busters. |
| 21:34.46 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: cooking as in doing stuff in the kitchen silly :) |
| 21:34.47 | miisiike | i can't change the screen resolution |
| 21:34.52 | kspath | I loved the poppy seed myth busters test |
| 21:34.54 | verso | jjazz: ok, i'll try.. have i some probability to succeed or i can suicide? |
| 21:34.58 | SimonRaven | ohnoz |
| 21:35.05 | miisiike | the max chance is 800x600, why? |
| 21:35.11 | jjazz | verso: Those are both viable options, and, I would note, not mutually exclusive. |
| 21:35.16 | SimonRaven | because |
| 21:35.20 | whatever | lol |
| 21:35.21 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: does that include frolicking in the kitchen, complete with oil rubdowns? |
| 21:35.22 | verso | :) |
| 21:35.34 | benjamindees | verso, I assume you have multiple floppy disks? |
| 21:35.37 | miisiike | :( |
| 21:35.42 | ppcthug | hello, on the nvidia web site there are 4 linux choices, ia32, linux amd64/em64t, linux ia64, and free bsd, how do I know wich to choose? |
| 21:35.44 | miisiike | can help anyone for me? |
| 21:35.53 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: pfffzzzbttzzt hehe |
| 21:35.59 | jjazz | verso Just google the install guide and follow the floppy disk instructions. (Warning: it's a lot of floppies) |
| 21:36.01 | benjamindees | miisiike, what is your video card (chipset) ? |
| 21:36.06 | miisiike | ati |
| 21:36.12 | eeyore- | ppcthug: process of elimination |
| 21:36.13 | SimonRaven | ppcthug: and why are you even there? |
| 21:36.14 | miisiike | benjamin: ati |
| 21:36.21 | verso | jjazz: ok, ill try.. hvala |
| 21:36.25 | SimonRaven | !tell ppcthug -about nvidia one-liner |
| 21:36.30 | benjamindees | miisiike, do you have a tv plugged into it or is it a laptop? |
| 21:36.32 | eeyore- | ppcthug: is linux freebsd? no. is your linux running on amd64/emt64 in 64-bit mode? |
| 21:36.33 | verso | benjamindees: no.. one |
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| 21:36.39 | SimonRaven | !tell ppcthug -about nvidia howto |
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| 21:36.58 | miisiike | benjamin: no it is a simple pc |
| 21:37.03 | miisiike | without tv |
| 21:37.04 | ppcthug | uh thanks |
| 21:37.19 | miisiike | why the max resouluton 800x600? |
| 21:37.44 | miisiike | i can't change to bigger |
| 21:37.57 | miisiike | just smaller |
| 21:37.57 | verso | ok, maaybe you all are more clever than dsl chat... my dsl doesn't recognize pcmcia cd.. can you tell me how to? on google i did't find anything! |
| 21:38.10 | AciD | hum |
| 21:38.23 | miisiike | ? |
| 21:38.24 | eeyore- | miisiike: your monitor vertrefresh/horizsync values are probably set too low to allow higher resolution. edit X config file. |
| 21:38.29 | benjamindees | verso, we don't support dsl here |
| 21:38.36 | miisiike | noo!!! |
| 21:38.44 | whatever | noo? |
| 21:38.59 | miisiike | no |
| 21:39.03 | eeyore- | no |
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| 21:39.06 | whatever | no what |
| 21:39.07 | AciD | which program do you use when a sid upgrade prevent you from using k3b ? is there any good frontend apart from this one ? |
| 21:39.09 | eeyore- | no no |
| 21:39.10 | benjamindees | verso, you can try this if you only have one floppy disk, but you'll have to read the docs and it isn't tested with Debian: http://www.deesconsulting.com/bootdisk/0.3/ |
| 21:39.13 | whatever | oh no |
| 21:39.15 | miisiike | so i can't find the x config |
| 21:39.15 | verso | benjamindees: i know.. but maybe procedure was the same.. sorry, i'm completely new in this nice world (but f...king difficult!) |
| 21:39.24 | miisiike | /var/log/xorg |
| 21:39.26 | miisiike | ? |
| 21:39.29 | SimonRaven | !drxx miisiike |
| 21:39.29 | dpkg | miisiike: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:39.53 | tr1gg3r | AciD, u could just do upgrade instead of dist-upgrade until they get the kde 3.5 stuff fully in sid and ready |
| 21:39.54 | miisiike | i haven't xorg file!!!! |
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| 21:40.36 | AciD | tr1gg3r > what's done is done |
| 21:40.46 | tr1gg3r | :) |
| 21:41.11 | SimonRaven | miisiike: your point? READ THE WHOLE FUCKING FACTOID |
| 21:41.15 | tr1gg3r | AciD, i would think the kde3.5 will only take another day or 2 if u can wait |
| 21:41.18 | airox | My eyes! |
| 21:41.30 | miisiike | what mean factoid? |
| 21:41.32 | eeyore- | already running kde 3.5 for a few weeks |
| 21:41.33 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
| 21:41.36 | tr1gg3r | AciD, the other thing is to just install k3b and let apt remove the conflicting pkgs |
| 21:41.38 | Rapp | lol |
| 21:41.46 | miisiike | yaaaa! |
| 21:41.48 | SimonRaven | the message the bot said |
| 21:41.49 | miisiike | ups |
| 21:41.49 | user__ | is there any way to install or extract rpm pkg on debian? |
| 21:41.51 | AciD | tr1gg3r > I have all my kde converted to 3.5, except k3b |
| 21:41.55 | miisiike | sorry simonraven |
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| 21:41.58 | miisiike | ok |
| 21:41.59 | jjazz | user__: alien |
| 21:41.59 | AciD | tr1gg3r > it's not that simple :) |
| 21:42.02 | Rapp | user__: alien |
| 21:42.04 | miisiike | i probe, thx |
| 21:42.09 | benjamindees | versa, if you want to wait around I can help you with it in an hour or so, or you can find more floppies and use the Debian installer... |
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| 21:42.14 | SimonRaven | user__: better to use a real .deb but use alien if you really have to... |
| 21:42.19 | user__ | ok |
| 21:42.26 | user__ | there is no real deb in that case |
| 21:42.27 | user__ | :) |
| 21:42.30 | AciD | isn't there any other frontend to burn cd ? |
| 21:42.37 | AciD | tried one gnomish...sucked |
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| 21:42.43 | user__ | lets see if it works |
| 21:42.47 | abrotman | arson? gnomebaker? graveman? xcdroast? eroaster? |
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| 21:42.51 | jjazz | AciD: cdrecord |
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| 21:42.56 | BR_WARRIOR | Is it possible to compile the Mozilla Composite without mozilla-browser ? How can I do that? |
| 21:43.00 | AciD | thx for the names, googling |
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| 21:43.02 | AgentJ87 | hi every1 |
| 21:43.03 | thingfish | I could swear I've seen people in here mention an app that lets you create a livecd from your sarge install, but I can't remember the name of it for the life of me. Ring any bells for anyone? |
| 21:43.05 | abrotman | BR_WARRIOR: irc.mozilla.org |
| 21:43.06 | liable | user__: cdrecord isnt so hard to use. |
| 21:43.09 | anapivirtua_ | bn all |
| 21:43.14 | AgentJ87 | how do i chnage attribues on a folder |
| 21:43.20 | abrotman | man chmod |
| 21:43.20 | AgentJ87 | attributes |
| 21:43.25 | BR_WARRIOR | abrotman, cool! |
| 21:43.27 | AgentJ87 | it didnt work |
| 21:43.29 | user__ | liable wha? |
| 21:43.38 | jjazz | AgentJ87: man chmod didn't work? |
| 21:43.40 | AgentJ87 | chmod a+o "foldername" |
| 21:43.44 | AgentJ87 | or |
| 21:43.48 | liable | user__: sorry misfire |
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| 21:43.57 | AgentJ87 | chmod a+o "loaction of folder and foldername" |
| 21:44.04 | user__ | cool it works |
| 21:44.04 | abrotman | wtf is +o ? |
| 21:44.09 | user__ | thanks for this 'alien' tip |
| 21:44.10 | user__ | ;D |
| 21:44.11 | AgentJ87 | location+ |
| 21:44.18 | abrotman | wtf is +o ?? |
| 21:44.33 | AgentJ87 | owener? |
| 21:44.39 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 21:44.39 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (i.e. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 21:44.40 | AgentJ87 | owner? |
| 21:44.40 | jjazz | abrotman: I think he means +p for pwnz mode |
| 21:44.44 | abrotman | AgentJ87: read EVERY one of those |
| 21:44.52 | SimonRaven | no |
| 21:44.52 | SimonRaven | noinfo chmod |
| 21:44.59 | SimonRaven | s/noinfo/info/ |
| 21:45.02 | Rapp | a+o doesn't make sense |
| 21:45.02 | AgentJ87 | all i want is it to be accessible to everyone |
| 21:45.09 | abrotman | what kind of accessible? |
| 21:45.12 | abrotman | Rapp: you think? :) |
| 21:45.14 | AgentJ87 | so what should it be |
| 21:45.20 | abrotman | read? write? execute? |
| 21:45.27 | AgentJ87 | everyone can have red write axx |
| 21:45.31 | AgentJ87 | yes sir |
| 21:45.33 | abrotman | AgentJ87: READ man chmod |
| 21:45.39 | AgentJ87 | a+w? |
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| 21:45.48 | SimonRaven | yup, "i wanna get 0wned" perms |
| 21:45.58 | abrotman | AgentJ87: please go read the man page .. it's a simple request .. and it's a simple thing to do |
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| 21:46.07 | SimonRaven | AgentJ87: that very rarely sloves anything |
| 21:46.10 | AgentJ87 | how do i read the page within putty |
| 21:46.13 | SimonRaven | solves even |
| 21:46.18 | abrotman | AgentJ87: man chmod |
| 21:46.22 | AgentJ87 | ok |
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| 21:47.02 | SimonRaven | um, i DO NOT suggest someone do /version on AgentJ87, you'll get blinded by the stupid colours |
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| 21:47.07 | trym | Im running testing.. I want to install kdevelop.. how would I easiest accomplish this? |
| 21:47.20 | whatever | SimonRaven: then why did you even bring it up. lol |
| 21:47.24 | AgentJ87 | serves ya right |
| 21:47.37 | jjazz | trym: Are you familiar with apt-cache search? |
| 21:47.42 | SimonRaven | AgentJ87: it's *fucking" ugly |
| 21:47.49 | SimonRaven | s/"/*/ |
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| 21:47.53 | trym | jjazz: well kdevelop does not appear to be in the testing repository |
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| 21:47.59 | abrotman | heheh |
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| 21:48.07 | SimonRaven | w00t apt |
| 21:48.10 | jjazz | trym: I just did apt-cache search kdevelop and I see a bunch of packages |
| 21:48.16 | trym | jjazz: are you running testing? |
| 21:48.23 | trym | vrak:/home/trym# apt-cache search kdevelop3 |
| 21:48.23 | trym | vrak:/home/trym# ' |
| 21:48.30 | jjazz | trym: yes. By looking for kdevelop, I found kdevelop3, which is what you want |
| 21:48.30 | user__ | agi love window maker dock applets :D |
| 21:48.35 | user__ | i* |
| 21:48.39 | trym | and I have also tried searching for 'kdevelop' |
| 21:48.51 | jjazz | trym: And you don't see a kdevelop3 package? |
| 21:49.03 | psychonate | trym, there is also no K3B package in testing atm |
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| 21:49.06 | SimonRaven | 16:46 CTCP VERSION reply from AgentJ87: WI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nW 2.0 Build 1515 by cRYOa with Advanced File Serving features on WinXP obtained from http://invision.lebyte.com |
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| 21:49.13 | psychonate | trym, probably for the same reason |
| 21:49.14 | eeyore- | what colors? |
| 21:49.36 | psychonate | trym, at least with K3B, the reason has to do with dependencies that need updated or something like that. |
| 21:49.39 | AgentJ87 | onc ei read the man chmod |
| 21:49.39 | trym | psychonate: probably. Thats why Im looking for an alternative method of obtaining it (preferably without having to compile it) |
| 21:49.43 | AgentJ87 | how do i exit it |
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| 21:49.56 | trym | jjazz: are you sure you are running testing? |
| 21:49.59 | SimonRaven | the "Build ... ....lebyte.com" is in dark blue, with 'cRYOa' and 'WinXP' in cyan, |
| 21:50.17 | SimonRaven | also the last uri is cyan, all of it bold |
| 21:50.37 | AgentJ87 | like that |
| 21:50.38 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 21:50.39 | caphuso | SimonRaven: sounds quite tame, for i-n-v-i-s-i-o-n |
| 21:50.47 | psychonate | trym, there's anjuta, but I think that's meant for Gnome |
| 21:50.52 | lxIT | Can I use a config-file of a working Ubuntu-kernel to compile a Debian-kernel (same PC)? |
| 21:50.58 | SimonRaven | haha, +c chanmode ;) |
| 21:51.08 | jjazz | trym: With the exception of unstable OOo, yes. |
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| 21:51.20 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: must be gnome-terminal and/or screen's deficiencies ... i don't see any fancy colors |
| 21:51.20 | AgentJ87 | how do i exit man chmod |
| 21:51.24 | abrotman | lxIT: are they the same version ? |
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| 21:51.29 | SimonRaven | caphuso: i'm happy to not have dealt with that crap beyond this and a couple of other channels... |
| 21:51.29 | ^pt^ | hi, can someone tell me where the compiled modules are installed on Knoppix? i had the problem with my netz card, so i run knoppix but after lsmod, i have no idea which are the right one. /proc/net/driver is empty and nothing found in /usr/src/linuxxxx/modules |
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| 21:51.52 | trym | jjazz: heh |
| 21:51.59 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: i'm running irssi in screen, in knsole. which is worse than g-t. |
| 21:52.01 | blondie | ^pt^: this isn't a knoppix channel |
| 21:52.06 | lxIT | abrotman: not exactly |
| 21:52.10 | trym | and backports from unstable wont do me any good ? |
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| 21:52.28 | lxIT | abrotman: but I suppose I can download the corresponding version from kernel.org? |
| 21:52.43 | SimonRaven | AgentJ87: q |
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| 21:52.49 | SimonRaven | duh |
| 21:52.56 | jjazz | trym: ok. I just removed all but testing from apt source, updated, and did an apt-cache search, and you're right. It's not there. My apologies. |
| 21:52.56 | AgentJ87 | ty |
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| 21:53.06 | ArkoldThos | ey menz, i need a little help :(, my monitor supports 1024x768 but i dont know why only i can put 800x600 |
| 21:53.54 | jjazz | trym: So, I guess if you want it, you have to look in unstable |
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| 21:54.21 | Roey | #nx is dead and I wish to find out if FreeNX on Debian/amd64 is feasible today. Is it? |
| 21:54.28 | trym | jjazz: well I tried adding backports.. but it didnt appear in unstable either.. (but I might have done something wrong adding the backports thingie to sources.list and preferences) |
| 21:54.46 | jjazz | Roey: I use it daily for a single-user solution. It's great for everything except firefox. |
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| 21:55.12 | jjazz | trym: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib |
| 21:55.33 | ArkoldThos | pls help :( |
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| 21:56.05 | jjazz | Roey: it is sometimes a little flaky, but I haven't updated the package in a while, so that might be my fault. |
| 21:56.14 | virgomoon | can I get the ide-scsi module to recognize 2 IDE devices on the same IDE channel? |
| 21:56.16 | abrotman | lxIT: most distros patch .. it won't be exactly the same |
| 21:56.20 | iturk | which program should i use to see animated gifs in debian ?? |
| 21:56.21 | AgentJ87 | abrotman |
| 21:56.30 | abrotman | AgentJ87: your irc skills .. suck |
| 21:56.38 | trym | jjazz: but wont all packages i install come from unstable ? |
| 21:56.38 | bbrazil | iturk: animate |
| 21:56.41 | AgentJ87 | i read the man chmod |
| 21:56.46 | resiak | !tell AgentJ87 -about enter |
| 21:56.49 | AgentJ87 | still have a few questions abrotman: |
| 21:56.52 | trym | and if I remove unstable from my sources.. wont that break kdevelop ? |
| 21:57.09 | AgentJ87 | better |
| 21:57.09 | AgentJ87 | ? |
| 21:57.34 | AgentJ87 | i wanna chmod for a ffolder -rwx |
| 21:57.36 | jjazz | trym: I use pinning, so my box only pulls from sid if it needs to fill a hole in etch. If you do it right, you're running testing except where needed or explicitly told to run Sid. |
| 21:57.37 | iturk | bbrazil: i cannot find that in my apt-cache |
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| 21:57.43 | iturk | any other suggestion |
| 21:57.44 | Roey | jjazz: it appears as if NX is this really great new tech. |
| 21:57.46 | bbrazil | iturk: its in imagemagick |
| 21:57.50 | AgentJ87 | but im not sure what to enter |
| 21:57.51 | Roey | jjazz: if only it were more used! |
| 21:57.56 | jjazz | Roey: It is really good, but it's not perfect. Lots of people use it. |
| 21:57.58 | trym | jjazz: thats weird.. i put unstable in my sources.list..however.. kdevelop is still not there |
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| 21:58.08 | jjazz | trym: Did you do apt-get update? |
| 21:58.10 | AgentJ87 | «abrotman» do i do chmod a-rwx ? |
| 21:58.11 | iturk | bbrazil: ja agora obrigado |
| 21:58.14 | trym | yup |
| 21:58.15 | AgentJ87 | ops |
| 21:58.20 | AgentJ87 | chmod a+rwx |
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| 21:58.34 | SimonRaven | ffs |
| 21:58.36 | Roey | jjazz: so I can have an amd64 freenx server on debian/sid, and connect to sessions there with my p4 box at work? |
| 21:58.51 | trym | jjazz: sure did |
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| 21:58.54 | tyler | how do i mount a usb hard disk(2.5")? |
| 21:58.55 | jjazz | Roey: yes |
| 21:58.59 | jjazz | trym: gimme a sec |
| 21:59.07 | syl-2 | good evening... what's the proper method to setup a ftp user and _restrain him_ in his own home directory? actually when i test connect i'm able to read the whole file system |
| 21:59.20 | syl-2 | which is absolutely not the desired behaviour |
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| 21:59.26 | SimonRaven | chmod [OPTION]... MODE[,MODE]... FILE...; chmod [OPTION]... OCTAL-MODE FILE...; chmod [OPTION]... --reference=RFILE FILE... |
| 21:59.33 | Phated | Heh. |
| 21:59.34 | bbrazil | syl-2: chroot |
| 21:59.35 | Roey | jjazz: ok. You're the FreeNX packager?? |
| 21:59.36 | AlverGone | Hello. Is there a sane way to get the debian source .deb, apply a patch to the sources and rebuild it to a usable .deb file? |
| 21:59.36 | Roey | Phated: heya |
| 21:59.39 | GuMbY | I just installed a fresh copy of debian sarge on my laptop. (I was using debian testing). Before my reformat, the speical volume keys on my laptop just worked out of the box on Gnome. After the reinstall, they no longer work... Does anyone know what package(s) I need to get the volume keys working again? |
| 21:59.40 | blondie | tyler_: look in dmesg to see what device it has, then mount it |
| 21:59.50 | SimonRaven | wtf is so hard about understanding that? |
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| 22:00.06 | resiak | SimonRaven: Are you joking?! |
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| 22:00.29 | jjazz | Roey: no, I'm just a happy user. |
| 22:00.40 | Phated | Roey: Hi. |
| 22:00.40 | Lilldude10 | liable |
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| 22:00.54 | iturk | bbrazil: nao sei se tem a ver com a versao do gif mas o k e certo e ke as imagens tao pessimas tipo desaparecem e ficam pixelizadas |
| 22:00.54 | SimonRaven | resiak: no i'm pointing out how people *don't* read text that's in their face, and their lack of comprehension |
| 22:01.02 | virgomoon | how do you tell the ide-scsi module which drived to 'emulate'? |
| 22:01.08 | virgomoon | it's not picking up the 2nd one |
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| 22:01.15 | blondie | iturk: English |
| 22:01.16 | resiak | SimonRaven: It's an understandable thing not to understand, as it were. |
| 22:01.30 | Roey | jjazz: oh, wonderful ;) So tell me, is freenx available on debian then as a package? (debian/sid, and amd64 at that) |
| 22:01.48 | bbrazil | !br |
| 22:01.48 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:01.49 | jjazz | trym: I don't know what to tell you. It works for me. |
| 22:01.58 | bbrazil | iturk ^ |
| 22:02.05 | SimonRaven | resiak: granted, some people don't learn as quickly as i do |
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| 22:02.13 | iturk | i trying to find a good program to visualize animated gifs |
| 22:02.19 | jjazz | trym: paste your sources.list and your preferences into a pastebin, and I'll look at them. |
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| 22:02.37 | foot | lightweight c++-syntax-highlighting editor: scite. woop. |
| 22:02.41 | iturk | image magic is horrible |
| 22:02.41 | tyler_ | o |
| 22:02.50 | trym | jjazz: ok just give me a sec |
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| 22:02.55 | nkuttler | iturk: what do you mean, visualize? simply display it? |
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| 22:03.04 | jjazz | Roey: the server is freely available, don't know about the client. Last I checked, it was available for Ubuntu. Otherwise, you have to get the nomachines.com package which isn't open source. |
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| 22:03.16 | iturk | nkuttler see the animation |
| 22:03.17 | Roey | arg |
| 22:03.17 | Roey | ok |
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| 22:03.32 | jjazz | Roey: the server end is available as a package, but I don't remember from where (or if it's in the repository or what) |
| 22:03.33 | Roey | jjazz: so what's the holdup? I wanna run a free client on my desktop. Why isn't there any? |
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| 22:03.34 | falco_toadfoot | chose a new X cursor with "update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme", but I'd like the standard debian one back.. |
| 22:03.37 | falco_toadfoot | how? |
| 22:03.38 | foot | After unpacking 1847kB of additional disk space will be used. |
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| 22:03.58 | iturk | nkuttler: animate magic i only see pixels that the image stops so its horrible !! |
| 22:04.02 | linuxfreck | how would I find all packages in the debian repository that depend on a particular given package? |
| 22:04.10 | nkuttler | iturk: i always used a web browser for that... apt-cache search image viewer. i like gqview |
| 22:04.11 | jjazz | Roey: I don't know. There might not be one. I've been using freenx for over a year, and I'm sure it's made a lot of progress since then. I haven't looked in on it in months. |
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| 22:04.28 | Roey | ok |
| 22:04.28 | jjazz | (mine works, so nx gets no attention from me) |
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| 22:04.41 | Roey | jjazz: I'm just jaded w/ proprietary software |
| 22:04.45 | _tue | Hey, when i try to upgrade my system i get the error: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop |
| 22:04.58 | _tue | and it suggest i use the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. is this adviseable? |
| 22:05.04 | hans0lo | anyone esle getting a GPG error when updating from deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 22:05.12 | aeronadix | Is there a driver for...lsusb: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 046d:d001 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Pro? |
| 22:05.13 | Irrumator | hans0lo: topic |
| 22:05.14 | jjazz | Roey: I hear you. Join the kfreenx mailing list for more info. They're very responsive. |
| 22:05.15 | benjamindees | linuxfreck, apt-cache rdepends <pkg> |
| 22:05.20 | Roey | jjazz: ok |
| 22:05.22 | jjazz | Roey: (and not just limited to kde stuff) |
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| 22:05.26 | Roey | jjazz: kfreenx is for kde clients? |
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| 22:05.29 | Roey | I love kde. |
| 22:05.31 | hans0lo | Irrumator: ty |
| 22:05.32 | nkuttler | _tue: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 22:05.34 | Roey | jjazz: What a combination :) |
| 22:05.39 | Roey | Phated: do you use KDE at all? |
| 22:05.40 | jjazz | Roey: I've never used kfreenx, but I think so. |
| 22:05.44 | falco_toadfoot | aeronadix: tried this? http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/ |
| 22:05.48 | iturk | nkuttler: i am using gqview but no animation in the animated gifs |
| 22:05.52 | _tue | nkuttler: thanks |
| 22:06.02 | smacnay | I am using a Debian initrd kernel and am wondering what to read to learn how to stop it from loading a ton of modules on boot. I think almost every ata module loads when I need only or two. |
| 22:06.05 | trym | jjazz: removed my preferences.. and now I find it.. however.. what would I have to put in preferences to prevent anything but kdevelop to be fetched from unstable? |
| 22:06.05 | virgomoon | how do I sell ide-scsi which drives to turn on the scsi emulation for? is it an option on insmod ide-scsi? I'm not finding much in the way of docs on ide-scsi |
| 22:06.15 | Phated | Roey: No. |
| 22:06.23 | iturk | nkuttler: i am searching for one that displays everything a not a web browser !! |
| 22:06.39 | smacnay | virgomoon: You can pass the argument in lilo.conf |
| 22:06.42 | aeronadix | falco_toadfoot, How do you know thats the driver? Mine is a Logitech, not philips |
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| 22:06.55 | trym | jjazz: damn.. apt wants to upgrade 146 packages and install 23.. and remove 14.. to install kdevelop |
| 22:07.07 | nkuttler | iturk: apt-cache image viewer, gif viewer, whatever |
| 22:07.10 | aeronadix | falco_toadfoot, Oh, how did you find it so fast? |
| 22:07.13 | virgomoon | smacnay, I'm using grub apparently .. same config style? |
| 22:07.21 | Roey | Phated: ok |
| 22:07.23 | falco_toadfoot | aeronadix: it works for my quickcam zoom |
| 22:07.23 | virgomoon | that's the append='hdc=ide-scsi', right? |
| 22:07.27 | smacnay | virgomoon: I am not sure about grub. I have never used it. |
| 22:07.45 | aeronadix | falco_toadfoot, Logitech? |
| 22:07.50 | Roey | ciao all |
| 22:07.50 | benjamindees | virgomoon, you know ide-scsi is no longer in 2.6 |
| 22:07.50 | virgomoon | smacnay, k .. I'll keep digging |
| 22:07.50 | falco_toadfoot | aeronadix: if the latest version doesn't work, try 10.0.0.9 |
| 22:07.50 | falco_toadfoot | aeronadix: yes |
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| 22:08.00 | smacnay | virgomoon: I seem to recall it was something like that. I no longer use that option (no need). |
| 22:08.05 | aeronadix | falco_toadfoot, and then you installed xatv to use it? |
| 22:08.07 | virgomoon | benjamindees, oh yeah? I think I'm still on 2.4 .. what's 2.6 use? |
| 22:08.12 | falco_toadfoot | aeronadix: I use vlc |
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| 22:08.38 | falco_toadfoot | aeronadix: vlc v4l:/dev/video0:norm=pal:frequency=543250:size=320x240:adev=/dev/dsp --sout '#transcode{vcodec=DIV3,vb=128,fps=8,scale=1}:standard{access=mmsh,mux=asfh,url=10.0.0.3:7000}' streams to windows media player |
| 22:08.38 | aeronadix | falco_toadfoot, cool |
| 22:08.39 | smacnay | virgomoon: there is native IDE for drives. No need for scsi emulation. |
| 22:08.53 | benjamindees | virgomoon, or it's there, but no longer necessary |
| 22:09.01 | virgomoon | no kiddin' |
| 22:09.04 | virgomoon | well, hell, sign me up |
| 22:09.06 | smacnay | virgomoon: sorry, native ATAPI support. |
| 22:09.25 | virgomoon | damn .. gotta upgrade the kernel, huh? |
| 22:09.30 | smacnay | virgomoon: It was, and ALSA built in, one of the reasons I started using the 2.6 kernels. |
| 22:09.34 | smacnay | virgomoon: yes |
| 22:09.47 | virgomoon | god .. it's been years since i've done this |
| 22:09.48 | falco_toadfoot | anyone know how to get the default debian X cursor back? |
| 22:09.53 | trym | jjazz: :) |
| 22:09.58 | smacnay | virgomoon: and better latency |
| 22:10.13 | smacnay | virgomoon: do you roll your own or use the Debian kernels? |
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| 22:11.08 | virgomoon | smacnay, I just use the deb kernels. I don't have anything special here |
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| 22:11.16 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 22:11.32 | smacnay | virgomoon: select one that matches your hardware, and install the kernel and kernel-headers. |
| 22:11.45 | smacnay | virgomoon: edit your grub file, and reboot. |
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| 22:12.04 | virgomoon | hmph .. I just gotta figure out how .. never done that .. trying to read up on it now |
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| 22:12.49 | jjazz | trym: http://pastebin.com/498411 <-- that's my preferences |
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| 22:13.10 | Madeye | guys, do you know any debian based VPS provider/ |
| 22:13.16 | jjazz | trym: Unfortunately, if you want Sid kdevelop3, you gotta take a bunch of Sid KDE stuff. That's the nature of KDE. |
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| 22:13.17 | virgomoon | hey .. this might be handy .. Migrating to Linux Kernel 2.6 in Debian |
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| 22:14.29 | ehrenfeu | hi |
| 22:14.41 | abrotman | !vps |
| 22:14.58 | ehrenfeu | can anyone tell me what happened to packages.debian.org? found nothing on the web... |
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| 22:15.18 | falco_toadfoot | ehrenfeu: it's down. |
| 22:15.24 | SimonRaven | the site says it |
| 22:15.26 | abrotman | !tell ehrenfeu about search |
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| 22:15.37 | virgomoon | I should be able to install the new kernel and edit the menu.1st under grub to get it use 2.6, right? |
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| 22:15.42 | ehrenfeu | i can see it's down. |
| 22:15.45 | abrotman | menu.lst |
| 22:15.53 | abrotman | that's not a 1 .. it's an l |
| 22:16.32 | liable | virgomoon: you dont need to touch it if you use a debian package |
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| 22:16.50 | ribnitz | virgomoon: If you install a debianized kernel package, that will all be done for you. |
| 22:16.53 | virgomoon | liable, that's what I'm seeing, I think .. I'm looking through the dselect list now |
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| 22:17.10 | ehrenfeu | and yes, i'm aware of the existence of apt-cache and apt-file. |
| 22:17.19 | virgomoon | 2.6.8 is what I'm looking for, right? |
| 22:17.30 | stew | virgomoon: you shouldn't have to touch menu.lst just make sure update-grub is listed in the preinst and postinst lines of /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 22:17.33 | resiak | You can sleepinate on the train if you have the jet lags |
| 22:17.34 | randomity | what kernel is etch at now? |
| 22:17.35 | ribnitz | virgomoon: how conservative are you? |
| 22:17.37 | resiak | ECHAN |
| 22:17.54 | abrotman | randomity: are you running etch ? |
| 22:17.55 | virgomoon | ribnitz, not terribly so, but I'm getting a bit above my head when we go messing with the kernel |
| 22:17.59 | omry | got a problem with sound. audigy 2. alsa is installed and configured, alsamixer shows up. volumes are not muted. yet, I get no sound. |
| 22:18.02 | virgomoon | and the bootup 'stuff' |
| 22:18.06 | stew | virgomoon: what cpu do you have and what version of debian? |
| 22:18.09 | randomity | abrotman, not yet. Do you know which kernel it runs? |
| 22:18.16 | virgomoon | i386 Sarge |
| 22:18.19 | abrotman | randomity: either .12 or .14 probably |
| 22:18.22 | ribnitz | virgomoon: I am running .11, havent found any newer to work. |
| 22:18.26 | abrotman | well . it was on .12 .. that's what i have |
| 22:18.26 | randomity | abrotman, thx |
| 22:18.32 | stew | virgomoon: sarge won't run on a 386, what cpu do you really have? |
| 22:18.37 | virgomoon | sorry |
| 22:18.40 | ribnitz | abrotman: wasnt .14 broken some time ago? |
| 22:18.41 | virgomoon | PIII |
| 22:18.49 | virgomoon | I meant the i386 distro |
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| 22:18.50 | stew | virgomoon: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:18.59 | abrotman | ribnitz: i've heard many war stories .. 2.6.14 was a fierce enemy indeed |
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| 22:19.10 | Thanatermesis | OT: what is the value of the england pounds in euro ? |
| 22:19.19 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: ask google or finance.yahoo.com |
| 22:19.21 | ribnitz | abrotman: does that mean the struggle with .14 is over? |
| 22:19.22 | resiak | Thanatermesis: £1 ~= €1.50 |
| 22:19.27 | troxy_ | does anyone know where mplayerplug-in downloads to? |
| 22:19.27 | abrotman | ribnitz: doubtful |
| 22:19.34 | randomity | Thanatermesis, about EU 1.50 |
| 22:19.39 | stew | troxy_: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 22:19.52 | abrotman | never trust #debian for financial advice :) |
| 22:19.55 | Thanatermesis | thanks |
| 22:20.01 | virgomoon | stew, that would likely have gone better if I could spell |
| 22:20.22 | abrotman | "Yeah .. the exchange rate for USD/Geek is about $100USD/768MB RAM" |
| 22:20.23 | virgomoon | Unable to fetch .. let me do an update |
| 22:20.47 | virgomoon | that one, I know, lol |
| 22:21.03 | randomity | abrotman, So, how many cents in a pixel these days? |
| 22:21.12 | abrotman | randomity: depends on the medium |
| 22:21.27 | troxy_ | stew: thanks, that works too |
| 22:21.47 | randomity | abrotman, not a very expensive medium. Say, a medium medium |
| 22:21.53 | ribnitz | Wasnt there some island in the pacific where they use shells as legal tender? |
| 22:21.57 | virgomoon | this still makes me a bit nervous .. kinda like doing surgery on your kid |
| 22:22.18 | randomity | ribnitz, csh or Bourne-compatible? |
| 22:22.23 | falco_toadfoot | how do I just download a .deb with apt-get? |
| 22:22.29 | falco_toadfoot | I don't want all the dependencies..just the .deb |
| 22:22.44 | abrotman | randomity: i meant .. scanner/printer/display/video card/etc |
| 22:22.59 | abrotman | falco_toadfoot: they are dependencies for a reason |
| 22:23.06 | randomity | abrotman, i'm joking ;-) |
| 22:23.13 | abrotman | randomity: so am i :) |
| 22:23.16 | ehrenfeu | falco_toadfoot: use apt-get --print-uris | grep package |
| 22:23.21 | ribnitz | randomity: csh. |
| 22:23.37 | ribnitz | randomity: "cowry shell" |
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| 22:23.58 | randomity | ribnitz, Using csh as legal tender? Disgusting. Csh shouldn't be legal in the first place. |
| 22:24.30 | virgomoon | what's wrong with csh? |
| 22:24.39 | abrotman | ehrenfeu: you forgot to pipe it to xargs wget :) |
| 22:25.00 | ehrenfeu | abrotman: the command was not complete for sure |
| 22:25.05 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:25.21 | AgentJ87 | «abrotman» do i do chmod a+rwx ? |
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| 22:25.46 | bipolar | are there any xen packages built for sarge? |
| 22:25.55 | abrotman | AgentJ87: try it .. worst thing that happens .. your system gets compromised .. and you cry for a few days .. you'll have noone to blame but yourself |
| 22:26.03 | abrotman | !tell bipolar about backports |
| 22:26.04 | ehrenfeu | abrotman: maybe a future version of apt-get will be capable of guessing the package you want it to handle, but mine is not (yet) |
| 22:26.05 | virgomoon | stew, when I get this apt-get done, just reboot and it's there? |
| 22:26.21 | AgentJ87 | ur not helping |
| 22:26.31 | abrotman | !ur |
| 22:26.31 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 22:26.50 | AgentJ87 | ugh YOU ARE are not helping |
| 22:26.57 | abrotman | AgentJ87: i'm trying to help you learn how to learn things on your own .. the man page for chmod is pretty clear on how it works |
| 22:27.00 | abrotman | and even has examples |
| 22:27.02 | stew | virgomoon: yes |
| 22:27.14 | AgentJ87 | but for files |
| 22:27.16 | AgentJ87 | not folders |
| 22:27.26 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 22:27.40 | liable | AgentJ87: http://www.zzee.com/solutions/chmod-help.shtml |
| 22:27.45 | delire | abrotman: well it doesn't really have examples, but it is quite clear. |
| 22:27.48 | ribnitz | Wikipedia says that in south east asia one could get a slave for such shells (actually snails). |
| 22:27.52 | virgomoon | stew .. cool .. thanks for the help .. how does this affect how I'm currently burning CDs? Using the scsi emulation. Or will that just not matter and I can use cdrecord/dvdrecord on the /dev/hd#? |
| 22:28.00 | mboso | anyone know of a program i can use to convert from png to svg? |
| 22:28.17 | ribnitz | mboso: imagemagick doesnt? |
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| 22:28.21 | delire | mboso: see imagemagick |
| 22:28.32 | ribnitz | virgomoon: SCSI emulation is obsolete, as of 2.6.8 |
| 22:28.32 | delire | mboso: 'convert' i believe |
| 22:28.34 | randomity | ribnitz, delire, no imagemagick can't |
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| 22:28.38 | delire | oh |
| 22:28.41 | virgomoon | ok |
| 22:28.41 | abrotman | delire: it has none ? |
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| 22:28.47 | ribnitz | randomity: gimp? |
| 22:28.51 | girl20 | check my pic here http://urlsnip.com/659055 |
| 22:28.55 | jjazz | randomity: inkscape? |
| 22:28.59 | virgomoon | alrighty .. let's reboot this puppy |
| 22:29.02 | girl20 | check my hot pics here http://urlsnip.com/659055 |
| 22:29.04 | randomity | SVG is a vector graphics format, png is raster |
| 22:29.08 | abrotman | girl20: please leave |
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| 22:29.16 | jjazz | randomity: I know inkscape can do svg. Not sure about png |
| 22:29.17 | randomity | You need a program to guess where the curves in the png are going |
| 22:29.23 | abrotman | delire: you're correct .. i feel bad now |
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| 22:29.38 | randomity | such a program is called a tracer |
| 22:29.41 | girl20 | check my hot pics here http://urlsnip.com/659055 |
| 22:29.42 | abrotman | hot girls in sweden .. we're geeks .. we know better |
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| 22:29.52 | mboso | randomity: ah, so then it can't be done? |
| 22:30.02 | delire | abrotman: bah, it's a clear manual |
| 22:30.09 | abrotman | delire: it is |
| 22:30.18 | randomity | mboso, currently googling for free tracers, brb |
| 22:30.18 | abrotman | delire: and i can't fish for other people all day :) |
| 22:30.37 | mboso | I have a set of really nice icons, but xfce won't use them because they aren't scalable. i was going to try and create an .svg for each icon |
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| 22:31.10 | jjazz | randomity: google png2svg... hit one is a perl script on sourceforge |
| 22:31.16 | randomity | mboso, http://www.masternewmedia.org/2004/02/28/autotracing_how_to_convert_bitmaps.htm |
| 22:31.16 | delire | abrotman: of course. really with chmod however, people just need to 'get it' and when they do it's all downhill. many struggle with the contextual distinction between 644 and 600 |
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| 22:31.31 | mboso | randomity: thanks, really appreciate it. |
| 22:31.42 | randomity | mboso, where did you get the icons? |
| 22:31.47 | ribnitz | mboso: Another xfce user. |
| 22:31.48 | abrotman | delire: but it's hard! |
| 22:32.00 | bltzfsck | what's the best doc for getting sound to work on sarge? |
| 22:32.08 | liable | !be a chmod barbie |
| 22:32.08 | dpkg | Aww, chmod is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
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| 22:32.28 | ribnitz | bltzfsck: grok alsa |
| 22:32.35 | abrotman | install 2.6 .. and |
| 22:32.38 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 22:32.39 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 22:32.44 | abrotman | just the last part |
| 22:32.47 | stew | !upgrade kernel is <reply> ask me about <sarge upgrade kernel> <etch upgrade kernel> or <sid upgrade kernel> |
| 22:32.47 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 22:32.51 | bltzfsck | ribnitz: thanks |
| 22:32.54 | abrotman | err .. no .. wait .. whole thing |
| 22:32.59 | delire | abrotman: ;) |
| 22:33.09 | ribnitz | abrotman: that darn alsa still loads the wrong sound card. |
| 22:33.52 | smacnay | Can someone point me to info on how to control what modules a Debian initrd kernel loads on doesn't load on boot? |
| 22:33.53 | delire | really this is one of the beauties of alsaconfig. |
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| 22:34.01 | virgomoon | well .. looks like it worked |
| 22:34.46 | mboso | randomity: got the iconds from kdelook |
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| 22:35.17 | mboso | the icon set is called 'black and white' |
| 22:35.17 | lupz | hi, how i can change the default language ? |
| 22:35.40 | randomity | mboso, hunt around. They should provide svg icons somewhere. No matter what you do to reconvert the icons, you're not going to get as good quality as the original svg's |
| 22:36.09 | randomity | mboso, do they say they're GPL? |
| 22:36.16 | mboso | randomity: yeah, i figured converting would loose some quality. |
| 22:36.19 | mboso | randomity: let me check |
| 22:36.20 | Belgain | hi there... first question on this channel, so go easy on me :) how do i disable autostarting of linux softaware raid arrays? my md devices are being autostarted, and this is interfering with EVMS |
| 22:36.37 | ehrenfeu | what's responsible for loading kernel modules automatically on a fairly new kernel? udev? |
| 22:36.45 | Belgain | i've made sure that the partitions aren't type 0xfd, i've checked that mdadm isn't activating them in my init scripts.... |
| 22:36.46 | ehrenfeu | at bootup... |
| 22:36.48 | stew | smacnay: man mkinitrd.conf if you are on sarge, and /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 22:36.55 | mboso | randomity: yeah, they're GLP. |
| 22:37.05 | virgomoon | so .. if SCSI emulation isn't required on 2.6, then how do you record a cd with cdrecord? |
| 22:37.07 | randomity | ehrenfeu, sometimes the initrd, sometimes /etc/modules.conf and friends |
| 22:37.17 | ehrenfeu | randomity: those are the obvious ones |
| 22:37.26 | mboso | randomity: so i'm assuming they were originally SVGs? then converted to PNG? |
| 22:37.27 | stew | virgomoon: for instance, cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom ... |
| 22:37.29 | abrotman | ribnitz: ? |
| 22:37.32 | ehrenfeu | randomity: no initrd, modules.conf quite clean |
| 22:37.38 | randomity | mboso: almost definetly |
| 22:37.45 | stew | virgomoon: make sure ide-cd is loaded and ide-scsi is not |
| 22:37.49 | randomity | ehrenfeu, what sort of modules? |
| 22:38.08 | ehrenfeu | randomity: orinoco_pci (internal wlan-card) for example |
| 22:38.12 | virgomoon | how do you get a mod list? |
| 22:38.28 | randomity | virgomoon, /sbin/lsmod |
| 22:38.29 | virgomoon | duh .. lsmod |
| 22:38.42 | mboso | randomity: ah, says they were created with inkscape, so yeah, guess they were. |
| 22:38.51 | smacnay | stew: You know, I had /msg apt with the same request earlier but didn't read the last line. Thanks. |
| 22:38.59 | ehrenfeu | randomity: that behaviour started somewhat around 2.6.12, that's why i suspected udev to do so |
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| 22:39.16 | lupz | hi, how i can change the default language ? |
| 22:39.17 | virgomoon | ok .. ide_cd is installed ... |
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| 22:39.39 | randomity | ehrenfeu, you could try replacing /sbin/modprobe with a shell script that says 'echo "modprobing $@" >> /tmp/modlist; /sbin/old-modprobe $@' and see what happens... |
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| 22:39.47 | virgomoon | I can eject the 2nd dirve (the DVD at /dev/hdd), but not the 1st (CD burner at /dev/hdc) |
| 22:39.49 | virgomoon | hmm |
| 22:39.56 | randomity | ehrenfeu, actually, put a ps -A in there as well |
| 22:40.01 | virgomoon | just trying to get it to find it now |
| 22:40.14 | randomity | ehrenfeu, which will show you what programs were running when the module was loaded |
| 22:40.19 | Belgain | i should probably add that i'm actually running Ubuntu (Breezy) rather than Debian, but I haven't had any luck getting responses on the ubuntu forums, so I thought i'd ask here as Ubuntu is debian-based and both use EVMS... I'm a little stuck here so help would really be appreciated |
| 22:40.26 | ehrenfeu | randomity: clearly, it does ;) |
| 22:40.33 | doomster | fellows, I'm looking for a tool that creates human-readable diffs between binary files, any idea? |
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| 22:40.39 | abrotman | Belgain: go to #ubuntuy |
| 22:40.40 | ehrenfeu | randomity: thanks for the hint, i'll give that a try |
| 22:40.41 | abrotman | Belgain: go to #ubuntu |
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| 22:40.45 | ribnitz | suppose I set my locale to farsi. Will that affect writing direction? |
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| 22:40.49 | randomity | ehrenfeu, of course, there's probably an easier way, I just don't know it |
| 22:41.12 | randomity | ehrenfeu, I presume you gathered you should rename modprobe to old-modprobe before actually trying that... |
| 22:41.13 | ribnitz | (Farsi is the Persian/Iranian Language) |
| 22:41.16 | randomity | ;-) |
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| 22:41.29 | abrotman | ehrenfeu: udev loads many things .. discover does also |
| 22:41.33 | ehrenfeu | randomity: don't worry about that |
| 22:41.39 | abrotman | ehrenfeu: of course .. that would imply you have udev installed at all |
| 22:41.47 | ehrenfeu | abrotman: removed discover for that reason |
| 22:42.00 | abrotman | ehrenfeu: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 22:42.06 | stew | udev doesn't load kernel modules |
| 22:42.08 | Belgain | i've tried #ubuntu, but haven't had any luck... is startup very different on Debian? |
| 22:42.23 | randomity | ehrenfeu, try this: grep orinoco $(find /etc) |
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| 22:42.35 | bbrazil | grep -r |
| 22:42.39 | stew | yeah |
| 22:42.53 | ehrenfeu | randomity: checked that already |
| 22:42.53 | smacnay | stew: I see some entries in /etc/modprobe.d for certain things like libsane with "blacklist scanner" so I assume that placing "blacklist before a module will blacklist it. Or should I touch a file "blacklist" and just put module names in there? |
| 22:42.57 | soymilk | start-stop-daemon --exec $DAEMON <- but I also need to supply options after this - but start-stop-daemon complains saying it doesn't recognize the options |
| 22:42.57 | eegore | what is needed to reconfigure to a new sound device |
| 22:43.20 | azeem | Belgain: Ubuntu has modified startup, yes |
| 22:43.28 | randomity | ehrenfeu, actually, if you do try my weird modprobe/sh hack, be sure to replace insmod as well. |
| 22:43.36 | soymilk | eegore: apt-get install alsa-base; alsaconf |
| 22:43.55 | delire | Belgain: there are many smart people in #ubuntu. you'll get an answer there eventually. the startup scripts are 'similar' to debian yes. in the sense of /etc/init.d/* /etc/rc*.d |
| 22:43.59 | eegore | I think it is already in |
| 22:44.03 | Belgain | right... thanks |
| 22:44.09 | ribnitz | eegore: alsaconf. |
| 22:44.10 | abrotman | delire: you lie! |
| 22:44.11 | ehrenfeu | randomity: that's clear |
| 22:44.22 | stew | smacnay: i'm not sure, check with /usr/share/doc/module-init-tools |
| 22:44.26 | delire | abrotman: how so? |
| 22:44.31 | smacnay | stew: thanks again |
| 22:44.34 | abrotman | delire: i count two smart people! |
| 22:44.41 | tr1gg3r | Belgain, is it loaded from a script in /etc/init.d/? i forgot |
| 22:44.41 | randomity | ehrenfeu, sorry. |
| 22:44.44 | delire | abrotman: hehe |
| 22:44.46 | ehrenfeu | randomity: no problem ;) |
| 22:44.47 | Belgain | i'll see if i can get any help there... i'm just slightly puzzled as to what can be starting the arrays other than mdadm (i've grepped for mdadm in /etc/init.d/ and made sure it's not called) |
| 22:44.58 | abrotman | tr1gg3r: if you want to help Belgain .. follow him to #ubuntu |
| 22:45.11 | stew | ehrenfeu: are you just trying to prevent a module from being loaded? |
| 22:45.16 | ehrenfeu | abrotman: udev conflicts with hotplug, so the blacklist stuff won't work with that |
| 22:45.16 | abrotman | except .sg .. where there is no number 2 |
| 22:45.18 | ehrenfeu | stew: yes |
| 22:45.23 | stew | ehrenfeu: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 22:45.38 | ehrenfeu | stew: abrotman already pointed me to that |
| 22:45.39 | abrotman | ehrenfeu: that should still appy |
| 22:45.42 | abrotman | apply |
| 22:45.52 | delire | jjazz: well pu |
| 22:45.56 | abrotman | jjazz: no .. it's a stack overflow |
| 22:46.09 | eegore | not natively supported |
| 22:46.14 | ehrenfeu | abrotman: i'm not sure about that. thought i tried it... |
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| 22:46.22 | virgomoon | stew .. this first CD is at /dev/hdc .. how could I definitively tell if I did something 'bad' to it in installing the DVD as a slave to it? eject /dev/hdc says unable to ope `/dev/hdc` |
| 22:46.30 | jjazz | abrotman: negative infinity? |
| 22:46.35 | abrotman | ehrenfeu: stew seems to be the master of blacklisting .. i think he was once a bouncer |
| 22:46.41 | stew | hah |
| 22:46.43 | abrotman | jjazz: circular number system! |
| 22:46.46 | doomster | virgomoon, it's eject -d /dev/foo |
| 22:46.58 | stew | ehrenfeu: /usr/share/doc/udev/NEWS.gz tells you to use /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 22:47.09 | stew | virgomoon: does the file /dev/hdc exist? |
| 22:47.10 | delire | abrotman: precisely. i've always been disappointed with bipolar continuums. |
| 22:47.27 | ehrenfeu | stew: hey, that's great. why did i miss that? |
| 22:47.32 | jjazz | delire: Yeah, those schizo numbering systems are a real pain in the ass. |
| 22:47.43 | stew | ehrenfeu: because you don't waste as much time here as we do |
| 22:47.46 | virgomoon | stew .. yes .. listed as 'cdrom' in the 'group' position |
| 22:47.48 | delire | jjazz: always let you down.. |
| 22:47.57 | virgomoon | or what looks like the group pos |
| 22:47.58 | randomity | ehrenfeu, a slightly more drastic way of figuring out whats loading the module: try renaming it and seeing what gives you an error message |
| 22:48.00 | abrotman | fuck me .. it's so late already |
| 22:48.05 | stew | virgomoon: are you in the cdrom group? |
| 22:48.14 | jjazz | ops, abrotman is spamming! |
| 22:48.15 | ehrenfeu | randomity: hehe :) |
| 22:48.19 | virgomoon | I'm root, so I'd hope so |
| 22:48.23 | stew | abrotman: go for a bike ride, its warm out |
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| 22:48.34 | delire | stew: warm where? |
| 22:48.35 | ehrenfeu | stew: not here... but maybe somewhere else ;) |
| 22:48.46 | randomity | ehrenfeu, always worked for me. (i.e. has never failed to cause an error message) ;-) |
| 22:48.46 | stew | delire: i'm in NYC he is in the philly area |
| 22:48.51 | abrotman | stew: i don't like riding in the dark (and there aren't many lit trails around here) && meeting friends for beer |
| 22:48.58 | delire | stew: what the hell is 'philly'? |
| 22:49.00 | abrotman | stew: but .. i've been a lazy butt this winter |
| 22:49.06 | abrotman | delire: philadelphia |
| 22:49.08 | delire | oh |
| 22:49.09 | stew | !phillysmite delire |
| 22:49.18 | eegore | looks like I have to compile a module off of the driver disk |
| 22:49.20 | abrotman | !cheesesteak |
| 22:49.20 | dpkg | methinks cheesesteak is http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak, or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
| 22:49.28 | delire | ahah, i see now. |
| 22:49.29 | stew | abrotman: i just got back, didn't even need full leg coverage |
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| 22:49.40 | abrotman | dpkg: cheesesteak =~ s#/,#/ # |
| 22:49.40 | dpkg | that doesn't contain '/,', abrotman |
| 22:49.45 | virgomoon | maybe I screwed the pooch when I installed that 2nd drive |
| 22:49.47 | eegore | CHEESE WHIZ SEX!!!" |
| 22:49.48 | abrotman | dpkg: cheesesteak =~ s#k,#k # |
| 22:49.48 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 22:49.48 | bazz | i have an avi (xvid/mp3) that i want to make an ntsc vcd out of. does someone have a pointer to how to do this? |
| 22:49.54 | smacnay | stew: I will make a file called "blacklist" and add "blacklist module" for every "module" I don't want loaded on boot. |
| 22:49.57 | smacnay | stew: thankls |
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| 22:50.20 | abrotman | stew: it's not the cold .. it's the darkness .. the roads i usually take are very poorly lit |
| 22:50.30 | stew | i actually haven't been able to blacklist the dang pcspkr on my laptop yet |
| 22:50.33 | abrotman | i'm not even sure VFNP has lights |
| 22:50.37 | kspath | !ewe |
| 22:50.37 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
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| 22:50.44 | stew | abrotman: how do you drive in the dark? |
| 22:50.44 | abrotman | kspath: he's gonna kill you |
| 22:50.51 | abrotman | stew: lots of matches |
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| 22:51.02 | beefcake | is ther a command that tells me whta process is causing load, because at certain points my box goes crazy to like 15 load |
| 22:51.04 | abrotman | stew: i have no headlight for my bike |
| 22:51.13 | stew | abrotman: get some |
| 22:51.14 | abrotman | beefcake: top ? |
| 22:51.16 | solomon | how might I install a debian stock kernel to a debian system that is not the one I'm running from? |
| 22:51.23 | beefcake | top doesnt really show it |
| 22:51.27 | beefcake | anything else? |
| 22:51.29 | abrotman | solomon: ar x <pkg> |
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| 22:51.37 | abrotman | solomon: then put it where it belongs |
| 22:51.38 | randomity | beefcake, if your box has 15 load, it means that there are 15 different processes trying to get 100% CPU each |
| 22:51.56 | delire | .. and here i was thinking philidelphia was just a kind of cheese.. i didn't know it was a kind of bike. |
| 22:52.00 | abrotman | stew: i've been really .. way way too lazy this winter . i'm going to have a hard time in the spring |
| 22:52.01 | stew | beefcake: its likely io or swap then, run vmstat 2 ; ignore the first line, and see if any of the si/so/bi/bo columns remain nonzero |
| 22:52.08 | abrotman | delire: it's a town! |
| 22:52.10 | solomon | abrotman: that extracts the contents of the package, no? but i don't know about the mkinitrd magic to make it into a working kernel |
| 22:52.11 | beefcake | thanks |
| 22:52.19 | delire | abrotman: i know ;) |
| 22:52.21 | abrotman | solomon: try running the scripts .. they're in the package |
| 22:52.31 | traybore | who |
| 22:52.34 | delire | abrotman: one of the 4 things i know about America. |
| 22:52.40 | solomon | abrotman: but don't the scripts make one for the mounted file system? |
| 22:52.40 | stew | abrotman: i've been lazy as well, i really need to drop some poundage fast before it starts getting warm |
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| 22:53.00 | abrotman | delire: 2) we have crappy GA beer 3) president is a moron 4) baseball rules |
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| 22:53.08 | delire | abrotman: got it! |
| 22:53.11 | abrotman | stew: you've got a few months |
| 22:53.17 | solomon | abrotman: i am not clued about initrd images. can just copy the working one from the file system i've booted from directly to the borked one? |
| 22:53.18 | soymilk | start-stop-daemon seems retarded |
| 22:53.39 | abrotman | solomon: uhm .. maybe .. (i don't use initrd unless it comes from debian magic packages) |
| 22:53.41 | soymilk | scheisse |
| 22:53.55 | kspath | nice |
| 22:53.56 | benjamindees | !debian-de |
| 22:54.06 | solomon | abrotman: hum |
| 22:54.26 | abrotman | benjamindees: !de |
| 22:54.27 | soymilk | just what i need, a brittle script to run my already brittle app so i can exponentially increase the risk of errors |
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| 22:54.40 | abrotman | soymilk: kick the machine a few times while runnign it |
| 22:54.48 | stew | solomon: iirc its just "mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-$version $version " where version is something like 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 22:55.12 | abrotman | solomon: you can certainly look at the preinst and postinst scripts |
| 22:55.28 | abrotman | stew: does he actually have to call mkinitrd? .. isn't that done already? |
| 22:55.36 | randomity | solomon, the point of an initrd is to load modules without which the system cannot start. e.g. the drivers for the root filesystem's hd |
| 22:55.41 | soymilk | tell me why start-stop-daemon --exec $DAEMON has no problem if the deamon options have a single dash, but chokes if they have 2 as in --option ? |
| 22:55.44 | stew | solomon: but if you have the partition mounted in /foo, just "chroot /foo" then run dpkg -i /path/to/kernel.deb |
| 22:55.56 | stew | abrotman: no, mkinitrd is done in .postinst |
| 22:56.11 | randomity | solomon, unless the hd actually needs some modules (as opposed to being in-kernel), you can do without (mostly) |
| 22:56.14 | beefcake | they all remain 0 0 in vmstat 2 |
| 22:56.17 | solomon | stew: i installed the deb's by chroot'ing, but mkinitrd failed because magic file system like proc etc. weren't real |
| 22:56.27 | abrotman | yeah .. maybe someday i'll play with the debian kernel packages .. but really .. initrd is a pain :) |
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| 22:56.50 | stew | solomon: before you chroot, mount -bind /proc /chroot/proc ; mount -bind /dev /chroot/dev |
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| 22:57.01 | beefcake | stew: any other suggestions? |
| 22:57.10 | benjamindees | http://nanocrew.net/software/sharpmusique/ <-- iTunes frontend for Linux :) |
| 22:57.12 | stew | beefcake: so/si/bi/bo were all zero? |
| 22:57.15 | beefcake | yes |
| 22:57.28 | beefcake | no |
| 22:57.30 | beefcake | bi bo arent |
| 22:57.35 | randomity | beefcake, try top but sort on some other column (mem usage, system CPU, etc) |
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| 22:57.42 | beefcake | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.42 | beefcake | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:57.46 | beefcake | for instance |
| 22:58.12 | stew | beefcake: your machine is write *tons* of stuff to disk it looks like |
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| 22:58.33 | beefcake | yeah |
| 22:58.35 | beefcake | thats correct |
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| 22:58.44 | beefcake | but that shouldnt cause 15 load |
| 22:58.45 | beefcake | should it |
| 22:58.50 | beefcake | if its just incoming data |
| 22:58.50 | stew | it certainly could |
| 22:58.58 | beefcake | its data coming in through lan |
| 22:58.59 | stew | it still requires kernel threads |
| 22:59.00 | solomon | stew, hum, why didn't i think of that, i've done it for the 32bit chroot in my amd64 box |
| 22:59.20 | beefcake | its doing ~10mb/s in |
| 22:59.30 | beefcake | doesnt sound massive enough to case load 15 |
| 22:59.31 | beefcake | heh |
| 22:59.33 | solomon | stew: yipee, i have an initrd! i will try and boot it now. thanks |
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| 22:59.57 | evilx | in what package do I find sshd ? |
| 23:00.08 | randomity | evilx, ssh-server (i think) |
| 23:00.14 | soymilk | evilx: ssh |
| 23:00.16 | stew | evilx: openssh-server ; or install the ssh metapackage |
| 23:00.19 | randomity | woops |
| 23:00.33 | evilx | ok thanks guys! |
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| 23:00.56 | stew | beefcake: what kind of device is it writing to? on my older raid5's that would be more than enough to peg it |
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| 23:01.01 | benjamindees | anybody know the minimum cpu required to play aac files or a good decoder? |
| 23:01.08 | beefcake | scsi disks |
| 23:01.10 | beefcake | raid5 |
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| 23:01.16 | beefcake | raid0 |
| 23:01.17 | beefcake | i mean |
| 23:01.25 | eegore | damn had to compile the driver for the onboard sound |
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| 23:01.50 | eegore | took a whole minute thrity seconds |
| 23:02.02 | eegore | Fast machice |
| 23:02.06 | eegore | machine |
| 23:02.25 | stew | benjamindees: i have a pentium 133 that skips sometimes, i would think that 200 mhz would be enough however |
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| 23:03.17 | mindmime | What directory should I download and install squid too? |
| 23:03.21 | solomon | stew: that did it, thanks for the help :) |
| 23:03.27 | blondie | mindmime: you should apt-get install it |
| 23:03.29 | stew | solomon: cool, you're welcome |
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| 23:03.58 | mindmime | blondie, hrm, then I just edit the squid.conf ? |
| 23:04.04 | blondie | yes |
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| 23:04.12 | anapivirtua | bn all |
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| 23:05.17 | user_ | its been a while since i used xchat last time |
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| 23:05.37 | abrotman | iostat can measure disk io |
| 23:05.47 | Yildirim | can anyone help me with the mirrors of debian? |
| 23:05.48 | abrotman | or perhaps quantify is a better word |
| 23:06.24 | virgomoon | stew, I just disconnected that new DVD drive leaving it the way it was before the 2.6 upgrade. Any reason you can think of as to why the 2.6 upgrade would stop recognizing this CD drive? I checked the BIOS and it seems to think it's there |
| 23:06.27 | soymilk | start-stop-daemon --exec $DAEMON -- $OPTS is the trick |
| 23:06.32 | Yildirim | about woody packages.. http://security.debian.org will not work |
| 23:07.00 | litage | Yildirim: new security packages aren't being released for woody since sarge is the current stable, afaik |
| 23:07.38 | Yildirim | oh we can use sarge without any problems.. because i'm not very prof in this matter :) |
| 23:08.10 | nkuttler | Yildirim: there still is security support for woody, but just for a few months more |
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| 23:08.37 | Yildirim | nkuttler do you have the mirror for this? |
| 23:08.44 | nkuttler | Yildirim: a mirror for security? |
| 23:08.48 | Yildirim | yes |
| 23:09.10 | nkuttler | Yildirim: it's security.debian.org |
| 23:09.24 | Yildirim | i cannot use it because look the following.. |
| 23:09.27 | nkuttler | Yildirim: i would not use mirrors for security, and afaik there are no official |
| 23:09.45 | Yildirim | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/woody/all/binary-i386/Packages |
| 23:10.51 | abrotman | i don't think you're allowed to mirror security |
| 23:10.54 | Yildirim | if you have a different solution? |
| 23:11.09 | stew | there is an unofficial mirror at http://ftp.de.debian.org |
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| 23:11.20 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: you can; there are even rsyncable mirrors out there. |
| 23:11.43 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah .. i thought you could not .. which was why there was never a mirror of security before |
| 23:11.50 | blondie | abrotman: not allowed? I thought it GPL and all that ;p |
| 23:11.54 | bipolar | abrotman: I couldn't find any xen packages in the backports or apt-get.org. |
| 23:11.56 | nkuttler | Yildirim: what is your line in sources.list? |
| 23:11.56 | dondelelcaro | Yildirim: that can't possibly be the right url. |
| 23:12.04 | bipolar | abrotman: did I just overlok them? |
| 23:12.11 | dondelelcaro | Yildirim: it should be something like dists/woody/updates/binary-i386/Packages |
| 23:12.15 | abrotman | bipolar: it was a suggestion |
| 23:12.15 | blondie | what? :( |
| 23:12.20 | Yildirim | deb http://security.debian.org/ woody/updates main contrib non-free |
| 23:12.44 | dondelelcaro | Yildirim: and so what happens when you run apt-get update? |
| 23:12.45 | abrotman | blondie: you're mean to me .. don't pick on the people with small brains please :) |
| 23:12.57 | stew | Yildirim: i think that should be deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security woody/updates main contrib non-free |
| 23:13.02 | blondie | o.o |
| 23:13.04 | Yildirim | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/woody/all/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 128.101.80.133 80] |
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| 23:13.10 | abrotman | bipolar: what are you lookgin for exactly? |
| 23:13.17 | abrotman | bipolar: i found a xen patched kernel at apt-get.org |
| 23:13.25 | dondelelcaro | Yildirim: that can't possible be what it comes up with; that's not even the url that you've given us. |
| 23:13.26 | bipolar | abrotman: really? wtf.... |
| 23:13.32 | abrotman | bipolar: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=xen&submit=Submit&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 23:14.50 | dondelelcaro | Yildirim: are you sure that's the only security line you've given in your sources.list? Use the paster bot to give us the full output of your apt-get update; run and the full contents of your sources.list |
| 23:16.03 | abrotman | bipolar: is that not what you were looking for ? |
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| 23:16.48 | virgomoon | any of you guys heard of a 2.6 kernel upgrade causing drived to go missing? |
| 23:16.49 | Yildirim | dondelelcaro i will past it in a page.. if you can give me an address for that |
| 23:16.55 | Yildirim | i shall past all lines |
| 23:17.12 | abrotman | !paster |
| 23:17.13 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 23:17.22 | stew | virgomoon: does it show up anywhere in dmesg | grep hd? |
| 23:17.24 | undesktop | hi, I get errors like "W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available" from apt |
| 23:17.32 | undesktop | is that harmless? |
| 23:17.36 | stew | virgomoon: is it attache to a pata controller or a sata controller? |
| 23:17.49 | virgomoon | yes |
| 23:17.54 | Yildirim | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1514 |
| 23:18.01 | virgomoon | no, the one on the board .. a straight IDE |
| 23:18.05 | nkuttler | undesktop: /topic |
| 23:18.10 | virgomoon | it's in dmesg |
| 23:18.14 | virgomoon | no apparent errors |
| 23:18.23 | virgomoon | got this line is fstab, though .. standby |
| 23:18.33 | thingfish | 8% of IDEs are not straight. |
| 23:18.41 | thingfish | :/ |
| 23:18.45 | virgomoon | /dev/hdc /media/cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 23:18.55 | undesktop | nksen: thank you |
| 23:19.05 | virgomoon | that wouldn't make it not respond though, right? |
| 23:19.10 | virgomoon | it's in the /dev listing |
| 23:19.14 | stew | Yildirim: get rid of the lines that contain "all" |
| 23:19.29 | stew | Yildirim: at least the ones for security.debian.org |
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| 23:20.09 | Yildirim | stew> |
| 23:20.10 | Jazon | hi everyone |
| 23:20.11 | Yildirim | ? |
| 23:20.22 | virgomoon | stew .. wait a sec .. found this in dmsg ... |
| 23:20.24 | stew | Yildirim: this line is causing your problems: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ woody all |
| 23:20.27 | virgomoon | ide_setup: hdc=ide-scsi |
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| 23:20.49 | Yildirim | Stew can i delete it? |
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| 23:21.04 | Jazon | any reccomendations from anyone re: ibook vs. notebook ???? |
| 23:21.04 | stew | Yildirim: you must if you want apt-get update to work |
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| 23:21.28 | stew | virgomoon: does that appear in your menu.lst? like in a #kopt= line? |
| 23:21.32 | Yildirim | stew can't we edit it into an other adress? |
| 23:21.41 | virgomoon | why yes it does |
| 23:21.42 | mindmime | How do I statically change the IP address on a debian machine so when I reboot it stays the same? |
| 23:21.49 | virgomoon | that needs to go, don't it |
| 23:21.53 | Yildirim | stew: which one is realy working? |
| 23:21.56 | mindmime | Ifconfig doesn't seem to keep it after the reboot :P |
| 23:22.01 | nkuttler | Yildirim: the first |
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| 23:22.15 | raz0 | mindmime, check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:22.18 | willie1 | anyone here compile mythtv on debian? |
| 23:22.18 | jjazz | mindmime: edit /etc/network/interfaces man interfaces for more info |
| 23:22.21 | SammyTheSnake | I have some questions regarding apt-get / aptitude and following testing. Can anyone offer some answers? |
| 23:22.21 | stew | Yildirim: the first one is correct the other two (the deb and deb-src) are incorrect |
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| 23:22.29 | abrotman | Jazon: to run debian? |
| 23:22.37 | Jazon | abrotman: yeah... |
| 23:22.39 | virgomoon | also on the kernel line |
| 23:22.41 | jjazz | mindmime: (or set up a local dhcp server to recognize your box and assign it the same ip every time) |
| 23:22.45 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 23:22.45 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 23:22.46 | stew | willie1: your best bet is to backport the ubuntu packages from ubuntu breezy |
| 23:22.48 | abrotman | Jazon: depends on the laptop |
| 23:22.52 | kspath | In Soviet Russia Debian Runs You?!?! |
| 23:22.59 | abrotman | don't i wish |
| 23:23.05 | abrotman | this feeble brain of mine .... |
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| 23:23.24 | virgomoon | stew, I need to take all the references in menu.1st to hdc=ide-scsi, right? |
| 23:23.27 | Jazon | abrotman: I will be using it mainly for my PhD - OOo, QGIS, GRASS, and other 3d modelling stuff. |
| 23:23.35 | Yildirim | nkuttler the first is correct and the other ones false.. ? |
| 23:23.35 | virgomoon | but only for the 2.6 parts |
| 23:23.54 | nkuttler | Yildirim: do you have an editor? do you know how to make comments? |
| 23:23.57 | thingfish | no, even in soviet russian, Debian does what it's supposed to do. |
| 23:23.57 | SammyTheSnake | Just the other day a whole glut of packages wanted to upgrade but couldn't due to missing dependencies, apparently some library they rely on is still in unstable, but it's really frustrating having to go through the whole "find an installation solution" process every time I check to see if they can install now. Is there any way I can say something like "don't upgrade these packages until libsomelib reaches version N.N.N? |
| 23:24.01 | thingfish | *russia |
| 23:24.06 | Yildirim | nkuttler shore |
| 23:24.16 | Jazon | abrotman: I am looking to but a laptop, and just want the best match for what i am doing... |
| 23:24.23 | stew | virgomoon: you should be putting in a line like #kopt_2.4.27=hdc=ide-scsi ; and make sure its not in the #kopt= line, then run update-grub |
| 23:24.24 | nkuttler | Yildirim: comment the lines out you suspect to be wrong, run apt-get update |
| 23:24.36 | Brox | hi folks - i want to update my bios but the updatetool of my mobo producer (asrock) only has a dos update tool. How can i under debian create a bootdiskette that boots dos? |
| 23:24.44 | jjazz | Jazon: In my book, you can't go wrong with a thinkpad. |
| 23:24.49 | kspath | Jazon: it is pick your work first then your tools/applications and then your platform |
| 23:24.51 | thingfish | If I were in the market for a laptop, I think I'd lean toward thinkpads. Everyone seems to say they go well with Debian. |
| 23:24.59 | delire | Jazon: thinkpads are the best laptops currently available. |
| 23:25.04 | delire | pricy though. |
| 23:25.07 | ppcthug | I used nvidia one-liner, and got it to run through so there where no problems, but I didn't notice reconfigure xserver-xfree86 starting up or asking me any questions |
| 23:25.07 | tictac | dells go great with debiab. |
| 23:25.08 | thingfish | are they |
| 23:25.12 | tictac | debian too. |
| 23:25.15 | nkuttler | dells are crap. really. |
| 23:25.15 | virgomoon | stew, should the 'ro' in the kopt line stay? #kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro hdc=ide-scsi |
| 23:25.15 | thingfish | really tictac? |
| 23:25.15 | jjazz | delire: good warranty, though |
| 23:25.25 | kspath | toshiba is good value for the money |
| 23:25.28 | virgomoon | or is that a read-only flag for the hdc? |
| 23:25.30 | nkuttler | i've heard good about toshiba as well |
| 23:25.31 | abrotman | Jazon: well .. mine works fine .. but it's two years old :) |
| 23:25.31 | thingfish | well one is willing to pay for actual quality. |
| 23:25.36 | tictac | ive never had any problem with the 12 or so dell machines ive owned. 8 being laptops |
| 23:25.41 | abrotman | dell sucks |
| 23:25.45 | abrotman | anyways .. |
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| 23:25.51 | thingfish | now that I hear more and more often. |
| 23:25.57 | jjazz | tictac: I've had major issues with several dells I've seen |
| 23:25.57 | willie1 | compaq best bang for the buck here, 1gig ram, 100gig hd, 3.5ghz for under 1200 cdn |
| 23:26.08 | nkuttler | actually i'm not very happy with my powerbook. mainboard + hd need to be replaced after 15 months |
| 23:26.13 | thingfish | sweet willie1 |
| 23:26.16 | Jazon | I just had heard that ibooks run debian rally really well, and that the ibook is very dependable |
| 23:26.20 | delire | Jazon: ThinkPads come out on top again and again. the rest are touch and go. Apple are a waste of $ |
| 23:26.23 | thingfish | ick nkuttler |
| 23:26.24 | tictac | guess thats your use. |
| 23:26.27 | thingfish | bah |
| 23:26.29 | kspath | Jazon: also look for a laptop that can handle 2GB RAM at least |
| 23:26.29 | thingfish | bs |
| 23:26.33 | abrotman | jjazz: my dad has a dell latitude .. he just sent me an email whining about how in three years .. he's replaced the HDD three times, piece of molding, and the modem once |
| 23:26.34 | delire | Jazon: Apple hardware is fairly rubbish and their service blows. |
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| 23:26.39 | thingfish | they're supposed to be made to be used. |
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| 23:26.53 | thingfish | apple service has always sucked. legendarily. |
| 23:26.55 | nkuttler | the painting comes off |
| 23:26.57 | thingfish | if that's a word. |
| 23:26.59 | tictac | apple rocks with debian, however the g3 ibooks had the horrible logic board issue where mine had to be replaced 6 times within 2 years. |
| 23:27.04 | jjazz | tictac: Poor heat sinking rsulted in one fried board... that sucked. |
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| 23:27.06 | abrotman | thingfish: what .. you don't like the ISV crackheads? |
| 23:27.20 | Brox | should i repost or did you all see my message? |
| 23:27.29 | thingfish | it's a shortcoming of mine, abrotman. |
| 23:27.30 | kspath | my ibook is running debian wonderfully |
| 23:27.31 | Yildirim | nkuttler i think i fix the problem now.. thanx .. stew you also |
| 23:27.40 | ppcthug | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:27.45 | delire | tictac: 4 friends of mine have had 1.5 year old iBooks replaced due to motherboard problems. |
| 23:27.52 | foucinhas | buenas |
| 23:27.56 | stew | ppcthug: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 23:27.57 | tictac | delire: g4? |
| 23:28.01 | delire | delire: another had to wait 5 weeks to have his PB returned fixed. |
| 23:28.04 | virgomoon | what does the 'ro' in the kopt line do? |
| 23:28.15 | thingfish | ppcthug: do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (-xorg) |
| 23:28.31 | delire | anyway, i'm getting OT. |
| 23:28.33 | Jazon | hmmmm.... ok.... |
| 23:28.34 | jjazz | virgomoon: read only |
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| 23:28.49 | thingfish | it's OK, delire - it's happy hour! |
| 23:28.55 | thingfish | <clink> |
| 23:29.04 | abrotman | thingfish: don't you know it! |
| 23:29.08 | delire | thingfish: happy hour at 12:30am? |
| 23:29.09 | thingfish | ;) |
| 23:29.14 | delire | gosh |
| 23:29.23 | abrotman | delire: it's always beer time! |
| 23:29.27 | thingfish | delire: well, on holidays maybe...but yes that's a tad early for you. |
| 23:29.32 | Jazon | tictac: i am thinking of that nice new little 12" ibook... putting a dual boot so i can still play with OSx |
| 23:29.35 | virgomoon | I've got #kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro hdc=ide-scsi .. what's readonly? the hdc or hda2? |
| 23:29.36 | stew | virgomoon: it mounts / readonly during the boot process (it's remounted rw later in the boot process) |
| 23:29.56 | Jazon | tictac: but I have never used mac before.. |
| 23:30.02 | kspath | Jazon: make sure you get the MAX RAM it can handle |
| 23:30.05 | virgomoon | my question is that is looks like that kopt like is doing 2 different drives |
| 23:30.10 | virgomoon | hda2 and hdc |
| 23:30.11 | thingfish | oh a.m. well, you should've started earlier, now you'll have to drink fast to make up. |
| 23:30.11 | stew | virgomoon: /dev/hda2 ; you just want to move that hdc=ide-scsi into a 2.4 specific kopt line |
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| 23:30.26 | virgomoon | oh, ok |
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| 23:30.32 | stew | virgomoon: that is passing 3 different options to the kernel, root, ro, hdc |
| 23:30.33 | virgomoon | I see the notes on that .. |
| 23:30.37 | virgomoon | ah |
| 23:30.38 | virgomoon | gotcha |
| 23:30.42 | SammyTheSnake | is anyone here familiar with aptitude's various configuration options, specifically regarding the cleverness it uses to work around missing dependencies / versions? |
| 23:30.55 | stew | virgomoon: and these are documented in Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt in the kernel source dir |
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| 23:31.30 | Jazon | kspath: http://www.apple.com/uk/powerbook/index12.html |
| 23:31.50 | tictac | pfft. dont get an ibook before the new ones come out. |
| 23:31.54 | virgomoon | alrighty .. here we go again |
| 23:31.58 | tictac | at least not a new one. |
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| 23:32.10 | Jazon | is 1.25 gig ram enough you reckon? |
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| 23:32.24 | ppcthug | thingfish: do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (-xorg) I already did that, the configure thing doesn't list nvidia in the drivers |
| 23:32.25 | tictac | id say so. |
| 23:32.28 | delire | Apple machines are always Beta for the first few iterations. |
| 23:32.46 | tictac | unless your doing heavy graphics work, which of course, you wouldnt be asking that question. |
| 23:32.59 | delire | anyway, they're not in the business of making quality gear anymore. jobs is in it for the mass volume market. |
| 23:33.20 | Jazon | tictac: welll... heavy GIS work... |
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| 23:33.22 | Brox | is there a mainboard you guys can recommend for a 939 cpu and dual 3200 DDR ram? |
| 23:33.28 | rapsys | hi everyone |
| 23:33.28 | kspath | Jazon: if you upgrade it to 1.25GB RAM as it mentions in specs it will be an ok machine |
| 23:33.32 | rapsys | I have a problem of autotools |
| 23:33.47 | tictac | Brox: tyan |
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| 23:33.49 | pbrunier | I'm having a little question regarding USB devices. I have three USB disks. How can I control that for example USB Disk 1 is always mounted on /media/usbdisk1. The /dev/sdxxx seems to vary every time. It's always a guess where my disks reside in the /dev filesystem |
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| 23:33.55 | rapsys | i try to compile some source and libtool find me /usr/local/lib/libpcre.la that don't exist anymore |
| 23:34.02 | Jazon | any other issues that I might wantto be aware of if I choose the apple route? |
| 23:34.05 | rapsys | where could it find this file ? |
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| 23:34.11 | delire | Jazon: i just installed Ubuntu for a family member on a Thinkpad R51 and this made a great machine. |
| 23:34.13 | alekandr | Brox: the new foxconnchannel.com ones :] |
| 23:34.18 | Brox | oh and it must du sata2 |
| 23:34.19 | rapsys | i regenerate ldconfgi database |
| 23:34.25 | tictac | Jazon: the onboard wireless card will _NOT_ work in linux. |
| 23:34.35 | Jazon | hmmmm |
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| 23:34.44 | Brox | tictac: tyan? |
| 23:34.44 | alekandr | Brox: I have a socket 939, 1GB pc3200 dual, and a nvidia4x ultra board :] |
| 23:34.45 | rapsys | and I don't see where it could find it |
| 23:35.04 | tictac | Brox: they make mainboards. |
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| 23:35.08 | Brox | alekandr: ok wich one - do you like it? |
| 23:35.12 | kspath | I do not use wireless personally :-P~ in fact I made sure NOT to get the wireless in my iBook |
| 23:35.17 | alekandr | Brox: Oh yeah :] |
| 23:35.29 | alekandr | Linux loves it too :] |
| 23:35.41 | tictac | my ibook was used primarily for sniffing out holes in networks. |
| 23:35.59 | kspath | tictac: found lots of stinky? |
| 23:36.02 | smo_ | hi i juts installed a tascam us-122 soundcard successfully,but i have to use fxload 2 times to load the firmware and another command , i search how to make a script for it.... possible? |
| 23:36.03 | Brox | tictac: never heard of it |
| 23:36.06 | tictac | since the original wireless card apple used was awesome and the range was awesome. |
| 23:36.20 | stew | tictac: it was just an orinoco, wasn't it? |
| 23:36.23 | tictac | Brox: ... look harder. |
| 23:36.28 | stew | s#just## |
| 23:36.37 | thingfish | ppcthug: sorry, wasn't paying attention. well then m-a a-i nvidia must've failed. |
| 23:36.40 | alekandr | Brox: http://www.foxconnchannel.com/products_motherboard_2.cfm?pName=NF4UK8AA-8EKRS |
| 23:36.44 | tictac | basically. |
| 23:36.45 | nkuttler | Jazon: afaik a driver for the wlan card has been released not long ago, google it |
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| 23:37.01 | delire | tictac: nkuttler i had heard that also. |
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| 23:37.12 | xaxes|free | poofn |
| 23:37.23 | tictac | hmm. im skeptical on that thought. |
| 23:37.25 | stew | i would have tried an mac laptop if they would just get over it and put multiple mouse buttons on it |
| 23:37.28 | delire | do the w32codecs even run on the PPC's yet? |
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| 23:37.41 | tictac | if so, it probably wont have rfmon support. |
| 23:37.43 | thingfish | ppcthug: is this sarge, I hope? |
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| 23:37.49 | virgomoon | stew, you're my hero |
| 23:37.57 | stew | i dont' see why they couldnt' just put multiple mouse buttons on their laptops and just have osx by default treat them all the same |
| 23:38.00 | Jazon | nkuttler: thx i will |
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| 23:38.04 | delire | i worked with macs alot recently. the PB keyboard is awful and the one button touchpad is a joke. |
| 23:38.06 | nvz | delire: that would be a question for the developers or people unofficially packaging them |
| 23:38.19 | delire | nvz: agreed. |
| 23:38.39 | stew | delire: there is a link on marillats site for a ppc archive, you could check there |
| 23:39.03 | nvz | delire: you could always search on apt-get.org or Christian Marillat's repo and see if there are packages available and try them |
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| 23:39.20 | ppcthug | I used nvidia one-liner but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't list nvidia in the video drivers |
| 23:39.32 | delire | considering a chap here is considering buying an Apple machine and running Debian on it, it should be him that looks into it i'd suggest. |
| 23:39.42 | Brox | alekandr: is a good for overclocking or really stable? |
| 23:40.01 | thingfish | ppcthug: do this please: in a terminal, do lsmod | grep nvidia |
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| 23:40.52 | ppcthug | thingfish: done, no output or anything |
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| 23:40.57 | thingfish | tsk |
| 23:40.57 | virgomoon | now i just have to figure out how to burn DVDs |
| 23:41.15 | thingfish | ppcthug: is this sarge? |
| 23:41.18 | delire | virgomoon: growisofs or a frontend, like K3b, gnomebaker |
| 23:41.24 | delire | i prefer the former. |
| 23:41.40 | ppcthug | yes its sarge, just clean installed it again a couple of days ago |
| 23:41.47 | alekandr | Brox: i have a amd 64 3000+ running at 2.5ghz, just added 0.5v to core, and it runs perfect, and stable as hell, and cool, idles at 28c and gets to a max of 36c, memory latency modding works great too, as well as gpu clock overclocking |
| 23:41.48 | virgomoon | what about dvdrecord with dvdtools? |
| 23:42.00 | thingfish | ppcthug: as root, do m-a a-i nvidia |
| 23:42.04 | EleckttrusS | virgomoon, k3b is the best! very easy! |
| 23:42.18 | virgomoon | EleckttrusS, command line interface? |
| 23:42.22 | alekandr | easy isnt always best ;) |
| 23:42.31 | delire | .. this module-assistant business is the gas |
| 23:42.35 | EleckttrusS | EleckttrusS, k3b is grafig |
| 23:42.40 | EleckttrusS | EleckttrusS,sorry! |
| 23:42.46 | thingfish | oh debian is way cool |
| 23:42.50 | pg_ | Hi amigos de la linux. If someone knows.. I have problems to ssh machines with a huge ping (~10 seconds)? ssh returns timeout put ping works |
| 23:42.50 | pg_ | . nmap returns nearly all ports closed -with the P0 option, only the distccd port seems to be open. |
| 23:42.51 | pg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.57 | Brox | what do you think of ASUS A8N-E, nForce4 Ultra |
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| 23:43.07 | GuMbY | lawl! :) People dont say something is "the gas" enough anymore.... :) Thank you Harold & Kumar! |
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| 23:43.25 | azeem | pg_: try ssh -v and see where it hangs and whether its reproducable |
| 23:43.26 | ppcthug | thingfish: target package file already exists, already installed, skipping |
| 23:43.38 | EleckttrusS | EleckttrusS, k3b is grafig but is the Mr.cd burns |
| 23:43.48 | pg_ | i do it azeem |
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| 23:44.32 | thingfish | ppcthug: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again, looking for nvidia. |
| 23:44.35 | maquis_ | can anyone tell me where i can get older debian packages (non current) please ? |
| 23:44.44 | maquis_ | im looking to downgrade my samba install |
| 23:44.52 | michael__ | E: Cannot get debconf sersion. Is debconf Installed? debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Argument list too long <-- REPEATS Preconfiguring packages... dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 2 package `dpkg': error in Version string`': version string is empty While Trying To Install debconf |
| 23:44.53 | michael__ | brb |
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| 23:45.06 | EleckttrusS | michael__, no flood plase!!! |
| 23:45.12 | tictac | http://bcm43xx.berlios.de <-- linux airport extreme driver. (that supports passive monitorin :) |
| 23:45.28 | EleckttrusS | michael__, www.pastebin.com |
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| 23:45.41 | alekandr | that wasnt much of a flood |
| 23:45.52 | nkuttler | actually, it was 1 line |
| 23:45.58 | ppcthug | thingfish: ok, I read each driver in the list twice to make sure I didn't run over it, its not there, just nv and all the others |
| 23:46.03 | kspath | tictac: I love when an ass brings in his own wireless router because he/she is special |
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| 23:46.19 | michael__ | sorry, didn't think it deserved pastebin |
| 23:46.28 | michael__ | ne help on it? |
| 23:46.50 | virgomoon | any other good DVD burning utils that don't require KDE or GNOME? |
| 23:46.52 | tictac | kspath: heh. those are always fun to find. especially in a classified military environment. |
| 23:46.57 | stew | michael__: what version of debian? |
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| 23:47.17 | EleckttrusS | virgomoon, apt-get instal k3b is dvd and cd burn is the best! |
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| 23:47.35 | virgomoon | EleckttrusS, yeah, it also installs KDE .. no thanks |
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| 23:47.39 | michael__ | Ubuntu - Hoary Upgraded to Breezy |
| 23:47.42 | miisii | hy |
| 23:47.54 | stew | michael__: wrong channel, try #ubuntu |
| 23:47.55 | miisii | can you help me? anyone...? |
| 23:48.05 | michael__ | aight |
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| 23:48.11 | maquis_ | can anyone tell me where i can get non current debian packages pls ? |
| 23:48.20 | maquis_ | (ie, the woody latest of samba) |
| 23:48.20 | klock | yo, I am having a problem with my usb storage device. its a 64 mb device and I mount it using mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /usb, but I can only write to 4 megs of the space, df -h reads that 61 mb is in use |
| 23:48.24 | EleckttrusS | virgomoon, k3b is no KDE, it is only burns software! |
| 23:48.24 | nkuttler | maquis_: /msg dpkg snapshot |
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| 23:48.28 | klock | any ideas of whats up |
| 23:48.30 | ppcthug | thingfish: this may be a dumb question but since I'm using nvidia one-liner command and all that I shouldn't need to download linux drivers off the nvidia web site right? |
| 23:48.37 | nkuttler | maquis_: oh, woody... |
| 23:48.38 | thingfish | ppcthug: no |
| 23:48.53 | virgomoon | right, but dselect wanted to install KDE along with it |
| 23:49.02 | nkuttler | maquis_: add a woody source line and build it yourself? |
| 23:49.05 | ppcthug | thingfish: thats what I thought |
| 23:49.22 | thingfish | ppcthug: do dpkg -s nvidia-glx | grep Status |
| 23:49.40 | maquis_ | nkuttler: sounds a bit to complicated for me :) |
| 23:49.53 | virgomoon | hmm .. we'll see what apt-get does with it |
| 23:50.06 | blockd | virgomoon: there's xcdroast. I don't know if that's been mentioned. K3b is still better IMHO, and you don't need everything in KDE, just the libs. |
| 23:50.15 | maquis_ | how do get the source for woody, rather than the defailt (sarge) that would be retrieved ? |
| 23:50.25 | ppcthug | thingfish: is there a way to quit out of dpkg reconfigure, or do I have to anser all the questions again? |
| 23:50.33 | virgomoon | blockd, maybe that's what spooked me .. doing the apt-get on it now |
| 23:50.36 | thingfish | ppcthug: answer all the questions. |
| 23:50.43 | virgomoon | it said KDE and I panicked, lol |
| 23:50.46 | nkuttler | maquis_: apt-get build-dep foo, apt-get source -b foo |
| 23:50.51 | klock | thanks |
| 23:51.03 | maquis_ | ok, but how do i ensure it only picks up the old version ? |
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| 23:51.12 | maquis_ | as opposed to the default (sarge) |
| 23:51.24 | nkuttler | maquis_: man apt-get, target release |
| 23:51.26 | nvz | nkuttler: your multiple definitions of foo are confusing we have other variables |
| 23:51.28 | kspath | wireless <- Just Say NO |
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| 23:51.54 | nkuttler | nvz: but... in this example they are supposed to be the same |
| 23:52.18 | pg_ | azem, it's not an ssh specific problem, ssh just waits to connect() and dies with a timeout error. Other clients would do the same. Only ping requests works ~10 secs (and the disccd port,why?) The network seems to block every port, but i am nearly sure they are open, since i used them before. The only solution is that it has been firewalled somewhere between? |
| 23:52.38 | maquis_ | thanks nkuttler |
| 23:53.19 | nvz | nkuttler: ah |
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| 23:53.28 | nvz | :P |
| 23:53.50 | nkuttler | !comfort nvz |
| 23:53.50 | dpkg | There, there, nvz. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:54.12 | thingfish | ooh, I have meds too. |
| 23:54.27 | ppcthug | thingfish: nvidia-glx is not installed |
| 23:54.28 | thingfish | legal ones even. |
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| 23:54.40 | thingfish | ppcthug: apt-get install nvidia-glx |
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| 23:55.00 | maquis_ | hmm, im crap at this.. its still downloading 3.0.14, the latest |
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| 23:55.30 | ppcthug | thingfish: doing so |
| 23:55.32 | nkuttler | maquis_: did you add a source line for woody? did you use the -t option? |
| 23:56.08 | Kerr | is 1750 a secure/safe/sensible chmod for a user paranoid over protecting their files and their content? |
| 23:56.20 | nkuttler | maquis_: forget what i said. read the man page |
| 23:56.32 | thingfish | ppcthug: after it's done, nvidia should appear as a choice. |
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| 23:57.01 | BeBrA | hello! |
| 23:57.16 | maquis_ | yes and yes, i'll compile from source ;) |
| 23:57.22 | maquis_ | manually lol |
| 23:57.34 | BeBrA | i get this error "RTNETLINK answers: No such device" while doing "ip route add 192.168.0.253 dev vlan1". vlan1 is up, what is wrong? |
| 23:57.34 | ppcthug | thingfish: thanks for the help |
| 23:57.51 | thingfish | ppcthug: it is my pleasure. |
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| 23:59.33 | michael__ | k, so what do i add to my sources.list to add a CD to my repositories? |
