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| 00:00.04 | jair | Bucciarati, ok bye |
| 00:00.09 | jair | Bucciarati, thank you |
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| 00:01.04 | Borges | is there a way to use a package from testing in stable? |
| 00:01.28 | Borges | or you can't do that? |
| 00:01.32 | jair | Bucciarati, I see you still here?? |
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| 00:01.43 | molinero | What software recommends me to resize partitions? |
| 00:01.45 | jair | Bucciarati, never mind thank you anyway |
| 00:01.51 | stew | boburt: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:01.57 | jair | molinero, try qpart |
| 00:01.59 | molinero | join #gparted |
| 00:02.03 | Meltir | hi ppl. can somebody please help me with installing k3b. this is begging to drive me crazy. it isnt in the etch repos - what am i doing wrong ? |
| 00:02.04 | stew | Borges: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:02.08 | stew | boburt: nm, misfire |
| 00:02.14 | _rene_ | Meltir: nothing |
| 00:02.14 | Bucciarati | jair: irc client not on laptop |
| 00:02.15 | jair | molinero, it can come with any of the kanotix or knoppix live cds |
| 00:02.21 | jair | Bucciarati, hahaha |
| 00:02.23 | jair | Bucciarati, ok |
| 00:02.24 | _rene_ | Meltir: except using testing that is..... |
| 00:02.30 | molinero | ok jair |
| 00:02.32 | Bucciarati | jair: on remote shell i access from laptop |
| 00:02.38 | Bucciarati | bye |
| 00:02.43 | jair | Bucciarati, bye |
| 00:02.47 | molinero | I want resize partition NTFS |
| 00:02.53 | jair | molinero, hmmm |
| 00:02.55 | Meltir | _rene_: is something the maintainer screved up ? |
| 00:02.58 | Meltir | *it |
| 00:03.08 | jair | molinero, not sure about it though it may be possible |
| 00:03.09 | _rene_ | Meltir: k3b was buggy and got removed. and now it's held up through various things |
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| 00:03.27 | _rene_ | Meltir: at the moment: KDE 3.5... |
| 00:03.28 | jair | molinero, check in #kanotix and #knoppix |
| 00:03.31 | molinero | ok |
| 00:03.34 | roler | bbrazil; does it have something to do with dspam? |
| 00:03.37 | molinero | thanks :) |
| 00:03.38 | Meltir | _rene_: crap. any alternatives ? |
| 00:03.42 | _rene_ | Meltir: so it'll take a while to get back in... |
| 00:03.49 | starscalling | is there a dpkg-reconfigure command for /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 00:04.00 | _rene_ | Meltir: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:04.09 | Aid` | I am having problems finding my mount point for a usb jump drive. I tried dmesg but can't find it. Any ideas? |
| 00:04.15 | starscalling | ive got an identical file on two machines and one refuses to use dns at all for some reason |
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| 00:04.21 | Borges | stew: thanks |
| 00:04.26 | Meltir | _rene_: thx for the help |
| 00:04.28 | vali | lo all |
| 00:04.33 | bbrazil | roler: dunno, I'm on sarge here with postfix+clamav+spamassassin+procmail |
| 00:05.39 | bbrazil | +amavisd-new |
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| 00:06.26 | roler | bbrazil; does amavisd-new run spamassassin? |
| 00:06.37 | roler | bbrazil; or does procmail run spamassassin |
| 00:07.05 | bbrazil | roler: amavisd |
| 00:07.23 | roler | bbrazil; ok so how did you setup amavisd-new to do that? or does it do it automatically? |
| 00:07.37 | bbrazil | roler: I setup amavisd - its just uncommenting a line |
| 00:08.12 | zamaliphe | i need to chek my hard can i use linux is ther is an x program that chek hard disk for eroor |
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| 00:08.56 | roler | sigh |
| 00:08.56 | zamaliphe | is ther is program can degragment my hard disk |
| 00:09.04 | cisee | tar |
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| 00:09.08 | centrx | zamaliphe, that is unnecessary in linux |
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| 00:09.25 | centrx | zamaliphe, data is written so as to minimize fragmentation as it is written |
| 00:09.49 | Agrajag- | does anyone happen to know how to password protect a bittorent tracker? nothing i nthe bttrack manpage about it, or in /etc/defaults/bittorent |
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| 00:10.23 | centrx | zamaliphe, to check hard disk errors, use fsck |
| 00:10.31 | zamaliphe | what aboute the vfate drive |
| 00:10.55 | centrx | zamaliphe, there may not be a disk defragmenter for vfat |
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| 00:11.39 | karsten | centrx: Sure there is: |
| 00:11.55 | zamaliphe | ok |
| 00:12.08 | zamaliphe | thanks alot |
| 00:12.15 | y | why is not k3b avalible in testing? |
| 00:12.24 | karsten | centrx: cp -padR /vfat /tmp/foo; umount /vfat; mkfs.vfat <partition>; mount /vfat; cp -padr /tmp/vfat/* /vfat |
| 00:12.38 | y | apt-cache show k3b show zer0 |
| 00:12.38 | Daedalus_ | !why is foo not in testing |
| 00:12.39 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foo |
| 00:12.47 | karsten | !tell y about excuses |
| 00:12.50 | zamaliphe | but i herd that redhat has a disk defragmenter |
| 00:12.53 | radsouthern | hey guys how do i change my shell console color |
| 00:12.53 | zamaliphe | ??? |
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| 00:13.07 | karsten | zamaliphe: There's an ext2 defrager, which you Really Don't Need. |
| 00:13.31 | zamaliphe | yah |
| 00:13.50 | zamaliphe | i use reserfs |
| 00:14.09 | sifi-x | karsten, so k3b is not in testing? |
| 00:14.22 | karsten | sifi-x: NFC. |
| 00:14.36 | _rene_ | yes. as I explained a few minutes ago it was buggy and got removed at one time |
| 00:14.40 | centrx | karsten, good call |
| 00:14.53 | karsten | zamaliphe: 'defrag' handles ext2, minix, and xiafs, per apt-cache show. |
| 00:14.53 | _rene_ | and since then it's held up in sid by various reasons |
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| 00:15.19 | centrx | zamaliphe, yes there is a disk defragmenter but it would very likely be a waste of time to bother with it |
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| 00:15.38 | common | sifi-x: google for nero4linux |
| 00:15.40 | fooz | under reiserfs you may need it :D |
| 00:15.42 | zamaliphe | why |
| 00:15.46 | fooz | but there isn't one for that |
| 00:15.56 | fooz | so don't worry about it |
| 00:16.00 | karsten | fooz: There's a reiserfs defrag tool. |
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| 00:16.09 | karsten | fooz: ... it's called mke2fs. |
| 00:16.09 | fooz | oh there is now? shows how much i look at reiserfs |
| 00:16.12 | fooz | ahahaha |
| 00:16.26 | centrx | zamaliphe, because in linux data is written so as to minimize fragmentation, so the disk doesn't become fragmented in the first place |
| 00:16.29 | Malagmyr | Do sounds work in programs if I transfer the display to another machine with X? What if, for instance, I was using XMMS remotely, displaying the image here? |
| 00:16.39 | austin | this may be dificult to say because im severely laggy |
| 00:16.47 | sifi-x | common, are you running Etch? |
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| 00:16.51 | fooz | reiser4 needs a sort of "defrag" tool, but it's a log-structured file system kinda, so they call it a "cleaner" |
| 00:16.53 | karsten | zamaliphe: Speaking as one who has run reiser a lot in the past, there's a benchmark just posted to Slashdot last week which shows some pretty good overall performance from ext2/3. |
| 00:16.53 | zamaliphe | ok |
| 00:16.53 | common | sid |
| 00:17.00 | vinse | anyone know how to view chinese files in KDE |
| 00:17.06 | centrx | zamaliphe, in windows it was a problem because their writing schemes were sufficiently mediocre that the fragmentation that resulted from them slowed performance signification |
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| 00:17.07 | resiak | Malagmyr: They'd be played on the mahine the app is running on |
| 00:17.10 | fooz | and it runs automatically in the background (if they finished writing it.. they released reiser4 before writing the cleaner it requires heh) |
| 00:17.12 | common | Malagmyr: if you use esd you may be able to stream the sound |
| 00:17.16 | karsten | Malagmyr: Not trivially. There are some network-aware soundservers, I think. |
| 00:17.19 | centrx | s/signification/significantly |
| 00:17.30 | cisee | why use resier ? |
| 00:17.46 | fooz | cisee, some people like feeling pain |
| 00:17.51 | cisee | ahahahahha |
| 00:17.55 | common | ext2/3 suck with multiple streams read/write ad same time |
| 00:18.03 | cisee | i mean, nothing is hot like your fs shitting itself and having no recovery tools |
| 00:18.04 | austin | i have this thing that comes up when i uninstall and reinstall my nvidia driver. it says "nvidia: driver 'NVIDIA' taints kernel" |
| 00:18.10 | resiak | That's because it does |
| 00:18.11 | cisee | common: xfs |
| 00:18.11 | fooz | ext3 does OK for me |
| 00:18.13 | resiak | !taint |
| 00:18.20 | common | cisee: i use xfs myself |
| 00:18.22 | resiak | !tainted |
| 00:18.23 | dpkg | i heard tainted is the state of your kernel when non-free modules (e.g. NVdriver) are loaded into it. Kernel hackers will not support tainted kernels. |
| 00:18.23 | cisee | word |
| 00:18.24 | fooz | anyway, that area is XFS's forte |
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| 00:19.49 | karsten | Filesystem Benchmarks, part II: http://linuxgazette.net/122/TWDT.html#piszcz |
| 00:19.53 | michael__ | I just did a cat /proc/PID/maps and on the first line reads "# |
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| 00:20.24 | michael__ | 00000000-20000000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 " how do I know which other PID takes up this "space" ? |
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| 00:21.35 | austin | sheesh lag 253 |
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| 00:22.02 | karsten | ... and associated Slashdot commentary, some of which is reasonably sane: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/06/1539235&from=rss |
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| 00:22.33 | cisee | karsten: yeah i saw reiser4 getting killed, quite funny |
| 00:22.37 | devilx | hi, could you please help me, I can't open any video player anymore. I always get "can't create mcop directory |
| 00:22.37 | devilx | " :( |
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| 00:22.58 | cisee | devilx: have you googled the error message possibly along with "debian" |
| 00:23.09 | devilx | cisee, no, only the error message. |
| 00:23.13 | devilx | cisee, I got some kde stuff |
| 00:23.16 | devilx | but I'm using gnome |
| 00:23.16 | cisee | hm |
| 00:23.25 | fooz | the app may be a KDE app |
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| 00:23.33 | devilx | it's xine |
| 00:23.36 | devilx | and mplayer |
| 00:23.39 | devilx | that shows me that |
| 00:24.18 | cisee | have you tried removing and reinstallign ? |
| 00:24.35 | devilx | nope, because I actually just did an upgrade some hours ago. |
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| 00:25.43 | austin | hmm |
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| 00:25.53 | austin | so when non-free thingies are loaded it taints the kernel. but whats this "kernel hackers will not support tainted kernels" is that a good thing? |
| 00:26.19 | benjamindees | !hacker |
| 00:26.19 | dpkg | hacker is probably someone that hacks. see hacking. or an interesting essay can be found at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiousity. |
| 00:26.52 | SimonRaven | !spell curiousity |
| 00:26.54 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 00:27.03 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 00:27.09 | austin | ya i know what a hacker is. so if hackers do not support it then thats a good thing right? |
| 00:27.12 | SimonRaven | !dict curiousity |
| 00:27.13 | dpkg | could not find definition for curiousity |
| 00:27.19 | SimonRaven | !dict curiosity |
| 00:27.21 | dpkg | Dictionary 'curiosity' (2 of 8): When thou wast in thy gilt and thy perfume, they mocked thee for too much curiosity. --Shak. ;; a state in which you want to learn more about something. |
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| 00:27.29 | SimonRaven | thought so |
| 00:27.31 | austin | but why has it just started telling me this. it never said it before. |
| 00:27.40 | karsten | cisee: Hrm. Commentary notes that 500Mhz prolly isn't sufficient to give Reiser fair shake. |
| 00:27.49 | SimonRaven | !hacker =~ s/curiousity/curiosity/ |
| 00:27.49 | dpkg | OK, SimonRaven |
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| 00:28.23 | denial43443 | Can anyone tell me how udevd starts? |
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| 00:29.26 | SimonRaven | the low down on how it starts up, or how you start it? that wasn't very clear |
| 00:29.27 | jair | I have a modem insternal in a laptop IBM with this info in dmesg = ttySHSF0 at I/O 0x2400 (irq = 11) is a Conexant HSF softmodem (PCI-8086:24c6-1014:0559) |
| 00:29.38 | austin | ummm ya....? |
| 00:29.42 | jair | it is this correct?? the modem is confgured? |
| 00:30.43 | devilx | cisee, reinstalling doesn't help |
| 00:30.47 | SimonRaven | austin: wasn't talking to you |
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| 00:31.48 | austin | so....any idea why it just started telling me this? |
| 00:32.04 | austin | it seems to corospond to my imense lag. |
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| 00:32.30 | austin | simon: i know i am just very laggy and dont know how long till my internet kicks out. |
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| 00:33.45 | SimonRaven | austin: no i have no clue. i have no idea what you're talking about, other than the fact you're talking about your booted kernel |
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| 00:34.22 | benjamindees | austin, I can assure you it tells you that every time you insert the nvidia driver... |
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| 00:34.39 | austin | the message isnt even in the driver. |
| 00:34.45 | SimonRaven | tainted means that the module in question is lacking something, usually the licence, and the kernel marks it as tainted. that's not the only reason however. that's the most common one |
| 00:34.55 | benjamindees | austin, and? |
| 00:34.58 | austin | unless it is in the non free section |
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| 00:35.07 | jcole | how does on compile on kernel module? i'm on hppa arch and don't want to recompile all... i just want to gcc the .c to a .ko, copy it to /lib/modules then depmod |
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| 00:35.22 | Aid` | how can i communicate with a windows box from a debian? I.E file sharing? |
| 00:35.29 | jcole | i've done it once before but lost my notes |
| 00:35.37 | vali | Aid`, samba |
| 00:35.47 | jcole | Aid`: apt-get install samba smbfs |
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| 00:36.09 | Aid` | how do i communicate thenm guys? |
| 00:36.34 | SimonRaven | samba |
| 00:36.50 | jcole | Aid`: if in gnome, go to Application->Network Servers |
| 00:36.52 | Azar | Aid` I assume samba has a README or some documentation |
| 00:37.30 | Aid` | k |
| 00:37.47 | vali | you can install samba to share a directory, and smbfs to mount a windows share like a hard disk partition |
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| 00:39.04 | vali | you can view the shares with komba2 or using nautilus |
| 00:39.34 | Aid` | how do i view windows share mount points? |
| 00:39.44 | jcole | i really like smb4k, but it's qt/kde... i *wish* there was a gtk equivalent |
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| 00:40.04 | fuxx | kann ich eine partion löschen und diese an eine andere ranhängen ? |
| 00:40.10 | benjamindees | !de |
| 00:40.11 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 00:40.17 | fuxx | situation: /dev/hda1 << soll weg und an >> /dev/hda2 |
| 00:40.28 | vali | Aid`, mount ? |
| 00:40.28 | fuxx | up: D |
| 00:40.32 | fuxx | sorry wrong channel |
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| 00:42.14 | metaperl | I've got an open office Calc process locked under Gnome in Debian/testing and I cant find its pid... any suggestions... choosing Close wont work either |
| 00:42.37 | devilx | xkill? |
| 00:42.44 | vali | killall ? |
| 00:42.50 | dannythm | hello there |
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| 00:43.46 | dannythm | can anyone give me a faq or manual where I can find how to avoid the "apple talk service" to get started at the boot of my comp? |
| 00:43.49 | metaperl | devilx: i fucked up. i cliked on the menu bar the bottom and wiped it out! |
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| 00:43.56 | metaperl | it came back though :) |
| 00:43.58 | resiak | dannythm: Uninstall it? |
| 00:44.07 | resiak | dannythm: or apply update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 00:44.10 | devilx | metaperl, lol |
| 00:44.15 | devilx | metaperl, click on the calc |
| 00:44.21 | metaperl | I got it the 2nd time. thanks |
| 00:44.29 | devilx | ur welcome |
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| 00:44.37 | metaperl | openoffice calc is more of amemory hog than gnumeric.. .so back to gnumeric |
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| 00:46.15 | D0CH0lliday | Hi ALl |
| 00:46.18 | resiak | !tell threat -about away |
| 00:46.22 | threat | G'Morning |
| 00:46.26 | grendal_prime | ok this is driving me nuts...im just trying to pop mail to the users on this system |
| 00:46.28 | grendal_prime | Command stream end of file while reading line user=??? |
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| 00:46.39 | threat | resiak, I cant use public away / back msgs? why the hell not? |
| 00:46.56 | Caroch | to upgrade from stable to testing, is it enough to change /etc/apt/sources.list and to apt-get update, apt-get upgrade ? |
| 00:46.56 | Phated | o.O |
| 00:46.59 | D0CH0lliday | anyone know of a netinst that works on a newer HP DL360 and DL380 ? |
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| 00:47.20 | benjamindees | !sarge upgrade |
| 00:47.20 | dpkg | sarge upgrade is, like, the recommended way to upgrade your system to stable. It is documented in the official release notes, found here. http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/index.en.html |
| 00:47.27 | threat | Caroch, yes |
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| 00:47.39 | benjamindees | !lose me |
| 00:47.40 | dpkg | benjamindees: You Lose. |
| 00:47.47 | grendal_prime | am i missing something? what do i need to pop mail...fetchmail is getting it spamassassan is filtering it ...sending to the user dir, i need to pull it down at that point |
| 00:47.48 | sifi-x | which are the non-free repositores for Etch, woody uses "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" |
| 00:47.52 | threat | benjamindees, indeed |
| 00:47.58 | abrotman | sifi-x: there are none |
| 00:48.04 | sifi-x | abrotman, why? |
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| 00:48.06 | abrotman | sifi-x: /msg dpkg nonfree |
| 00:48.11 | abrotman | sifi-x: dpkg will explain |
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| 00:48.34 | _Sam-- | is it ok to delete /var/cache/apt/*.bin or do those contain info about which packages are installed? |
| 00:48.46 | _Sam-- | trying to save some room on a compact flash card |
| 00:48.46 | jcole | cd drivers/video |
| 00:48.47 | jcole | gcc -I../../include/ -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -c -o pm2fb.ko pm2fb.c |
| 00:48.52 | abrotman | don't remove those file |
| 00:48.54 | abrotman | files |
| 00:48.56 | _Sam-- | thank you |
| 00:48.59 | jcole | ^^^ compiles |
| 00:49.14 | jcole | but i get a: |
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| 00:49.20 | jcole | FATAL: Error inserting pm2fb (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-32/kernel/drivers/video/pm2fb.ko): Invalid module format |
| 00:49.21 | threat | oh nice, so with sarge and above there is no longer a non-US mirror? |
| 00:49.24 | D0CH0lliday | I found one for Dells a while back... cant seem to find one for HP |
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| 00:49.47 | dannythm | resiak: uninstall it if possible |
| 00:49.57 | dannythm | resiak: (sorry I got AFK) |
| 00:50.02 | sifi-x | abrotman, so non-free repositores is not left even for Woody anylonger? |
| 00:50.14 | dondelelcaro | sifi-x: non-free is there for woody as well. |
| 00:50.17 | resiak | dannythm: apt-get remove netatalk |
| 00:50.24 | D0CH0lliday | alter all |
| 00:50.26 | bucky | sifi-x: there are no more non-US /msg dpkg non-US |
| 00:50.29 | D0CH0lliday | later even |
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| 00:50.34 | abrotman | sifi-x: wait .. nonfree or nonus ? |
| 00:50.49 | dondelelcaro | sifi-x: http://debian.usc.edu/dists/woody/non-free/ |
| 00:50.51 | threat | ok the stable, testing, and unstable refers to the Debian package or the actual program? |
| 00:50.51 | dondelelcaro | FE |
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| 00:50.59 | abrotman | sifi-x: woody has non-us .. sarge+ does not |
| 00:51.04 | dondelelcaro | threat: neither; it refers to Debian distributions. |
| 00:51.10 | sifi-x | abrotman, non-us I meant: deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian-non-US/ testing/non-US main non-free contrib |
| 00:51.12 | threat | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 00:51.12 | abrotman | sifi-x: they all have non-free |
| 00:51.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: and non-us for woody is all but totally useless... |
| 00:51.27 | benjamindees | threat, it refers to the version of debian, sarge, etch, sid |
| 00:51.30 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: there were three packages there! :) |
| 00:51.43 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, that's the "all but" part. ;-) |
| 00:51.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:51.53 | threat | benjamindees, ok, so it has nothing to do about the stability of the actual program? as in an alpha or beta releaser? |
| 00:51.54 | sifi-x | abrotman, so non-us is for Etch too? |
| 00:51.56 | threat | release even |
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| 00:52.04 | dondelelcaro | sifi-x: nothing that you care about is in non-US. |
| 00:52.05 | abrotman | sifi-x: there is no non-us anymore .. non-free still exists .. |
| 00:52.17 | benjamindees | threat, oh no, it does... |
| 00:52.32 | threat | hmm I see |
| 00:52.43 | dondelelcaro | anything that was in non-US is now in the normal distribution, or is no longer being distributed because no maintainer wants to bother to deal with the POS. |
| 00:52.52 | boxy | Hey im trying to get rt2500 to work with my wifi card now the card doesn't even wanna come on when i load the module any ideas? |
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| 00:53.06 | threat | benjamindees, so a program, say nmap, will start off at unstable and it will be the current alpha or beta release? |
| 00:53.15 | sifi-x | abrotman, ah, ok, so non-us will be history in all further distros? |
| 00:53.30 | threat | boxy, ummm lspci? |
| 00:53.31 | abrotman | sifi-x: yes |
| 00:53.35 | resiak | !rt2500 |
| 00:53.37 | resiak | : |
| 00:53.37 | threat | boxy, its definitly a rt2500 ? |
| 00:53.37 | resiak | ( |
| 00:53.43 | dondelelcaro | threat: not necessarily. Most things that are uploaded to unstable are believed to be in a state where they will eventually be ready for release. |
| 00:53.44 | boxy | threat right |
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| 00:53.55 | boxy | i had the card working in ubuntu but i didnt like that so i switched to deb. |
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| 00:53.58 | threat | dondelelcaro, I see |
| 00:54.13 | dondelelcaro | threat: if it won't poossible be ready for release, it's made a -snapshot package which gets stuck in unstable only, or it only is put into experimental |
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| 00:54.15 | benjamindees | threat, depends on the package, as far as debian is concerned, it's not yet stable though |
| 00:54.24 | threat | dondelelcaro, so if somebody thinks an alpha version of a program should be released, it will be later on under testing or stable? |
| 00:54.30 | dondelelcaro | threat: yes. |
| 00:54.48 | threat | oh |
| 00:54.51 | boxy | threat it sees it 0000:02:02.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01) |
| 00:54.54 | abrotman | well .. testing freezes .. then releases |
| 00:54.57 | dondelelcaro | threat: assuming it has no RC bugs and passes through the transitions in time to be released. |
| 00:55.00 | threat | boxy, looks promising :) |
| 00:55.35 | boxy | threat any ideas bud? |
| 00:55.36 | threat | boxy, I have actually got one of those cards working before, I may beable to help you out |
| 00:55.36 | boxy | awesome like i said it worked like a charm in ubuntu |
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| 00:55.41 | boxy | :) |
| 00:55.41 | threat | boxy, ok so you have compiled and loaded the module of it |
| 00:55.45 | boxy | right |
| 00:56.08 | threat | boxy, when you load it what does dmesg say? |
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| 00:56.11 | hosler | Can anyone recommend a simple billing system for a small webhost? I need one that will keep track of when people need to pay and notify me or the customer when they need to pay. |
| 00:56.45 | boxy | threat do you mind if i put it on nopaste since im on terminals? |
| 00:56.57 | rawhit | packages.debian is down how can i get some packages i just need to dmraid with knoppix live cd |
| 00:57.06 | threat | boxy, ok |
| 00:57.28 | abrotman | ask.. #knoppix ? |
| 00:57.41 | rawhit | hhmm.. |
| 00:57.41 | boxy | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/FXVgKm77.html threat |
| 00:57.43 | abrotman | rawhit: try an ftp client |
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| 00:58.00 | rawhit | not realy a problem with knoppix |
| 00:58.01 | boxy | threat its at the bottom btw and the ndiswrapper in dmesg is there cause i was trying it too but its not loaded atm |
| 00:58.04 | threat | heh, I am trying to create a ftp client |
| 00:58.15 | rawhit | abrotman where do i ftp to? |
| 00:58.17 | threat | its been an Interesting experience to say the least |
| 00:58.28 | threat | hmm |
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| 00:58.34 | threat | boxy, get rid of ndiswrapper |
| 00:58.36 | threat | you dont need it |
| 00:58.38 | boxy | threat i did. |
| 00:58.42 | abrotman | rawhit: any mirror should do |
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| 00:59.10 | sifi-x | so how do I get k3b for Etch, its not in "deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib \n deb-src http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib" |
| 00:59.10 | delire | boxy: IIRC this page has the driver source: http://www.ralinktech.com/supp-1.htm |
| 00:59.15 | seelen | Is posible to make a redirection to my default home page for the users of my intranet?, ommiting the webpage confgured in the browser ... like a hotspot login webpage |
| 00:59.22 | rawhit | abrotman ok good idea i dont use debian so i wasnt sure if there were mirrors for packages |
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| 00:59.35 | noideaatall | whats the best looking distro .... mandriva ? |
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| 00:59.40 | blazefx | Hey all, |
| 00:59.41 | abrotman | rawhit: debian.org/mirrors |
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| 00:59.51 | delire | boxy: not sure if the kernel ships with support already however. |
| 00:59.57 | boxy | delire thats a diff version .au] has left #debian |
| 00:59.57 | boxy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.57 | boxy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.57 | boxy | <blazefx> Hey all, |
| 00:59.57 | boxy | <abrotman> rawhit: debian.org/mirrors |
| 00:59.57 | boxy | -:- thetallcoolone [n=yves@HSE-Montreal-ppp346380.sympatico.ca] has joined |
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| 01:00.15 | abrotman | boxy: whoops? :) |
| 01:00.16 | rawhit | <fan boy> best looking distro GENTOO hehe |
| 01:00.17 | boxy | sorry about that |
| 01:00.19 | boxy | wrong paste |
| 01:00.21 | boxy | yup lol |
| 01:00.23 | boxy | delire 4 2001 |
| 01:00.23 | threat | boxy, can I pvg msg you ? |
| 01:00.25 | boxy | <boxy> wrong paste |
| 01:00.27 | boxy | whoops |
| 01:00.31 | boxy | threat of course |
| 01:00.33 | delire | boxy: right, ok. |
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| 01:00.33 | boxy | delire 4 2001 |
| 01:00.35 | boxy | <boxy> wrong paste |
| 01:00.38 | boxy | nvm i cant paste what i want to atm |
| 01:00.49 | boxy | anyways delire rt2x00.serialmonkey.com |
| 01:01.02 | noideaatall | what you guys think about mandriva ? |
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| 01:01.25 | dondelelcaro | noideaatall: this is #debian, so our opinion is pretty obvious. |
| 01:01.55 | centrx | so your opinion is that debian is the best and all other distributions suck? |
| 01:02.06 | noideaatall | lol, yeah , but do you guys think its that bad ? do you have some worth to take a look cons against it |
| 01:02.07 | centrx | all #debian tells someone is that you think debian is good enough to use |
| 01:02.09 | dondelelcaro | centrx: otherwise we'd be in #someotherdistrochannel |
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| 01:02.11 | noideaatall | thats what i wanted to know |
| 01:02.11 | cisee | centrx: very succint |
| 01:02.12 | benjamindees | centrx, yes |
| 01:02.23 | centrx | noideaatall, yes, mandriva may be off-topic |
| 01:02.23 | bucky | noideaatall: mandriva is great |
| 01:02.35 | cisee | noideaatall: mandriva isn't bad, installer is nice, i wouldn't run it on any production systems, but that's just me |
| 01:02.39 | Kluster_v2 | I don't like mandriva, redhat and fedora :) |
| 01:02.52 | Kluster_v2 | my personnal opinion :) |
| 01:03.00 | odla | Kluster_v2: huh? |
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| 01:03.12 | delire | noideaatall: frankly i find Mandriva fairly horrible but it does has one 'killer-app' that has really pushed it's uptake in low-bandwidth regions - a half decent n00b proof Internet Connection Sharing application. |
| 01:03.32 | bucky | noideaatall: http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/mandrake.jpg |
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| 01:03.47 | Aid` | is there anyway to share a mounted windows hd on debian with a windows computer? |
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| 01:03.59 | Kluster_v2 | noideaatall, actually it's so easy to install that it'S not bad for a first distro.. same goes for fedora |
| 01:04.01 | abrotman | Aid`: samba |
| 01:04.06 | delire | Aid`: samba |
| 01:04.07 | centrx | Aid`, check out samba, you can share any linux directory over samba with windows machines |
| 01:04.18 | boxy | threat you alive? |
| 01:04.27 | centrx | Aid`, by linux directory i mean only a directory that is mounted on linux, not necessary that it can't be a windows parition/drive, etc. |
| 01:04.27 | noideaatall | lol, teletubbies !!! ? |
| 01:04.32 | cisee | urpmi isn't a bad package manager, apt's better |
| 01:04.38 | threat | boxy, werd |
| 01:04.50 | threat | noideaatall, :S |
| 01:05.00 | Aid` | like if mounted /dev/hda |
| 01:05.00 | pabs3 | is there any way to tell which packages I have installed are from experimental? |
| 01:05.06 | Aid` | could i share that |
| 01:05.11 | noideaatall | noideaatall: http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/mandrake.jpg |
| 01:05.18 | noideaatall | the pic bucky said |
| 01:05.22 | Kluster_v2 | I didn't know there was a /etc/hosts file in windows.. I was just fixing a box with vnc and found that out |
| 01:05.27 | centrx | Aid`, yes you would share the /mnt/windows or whaever drive though, not the /dev device |
| 01:05.32 | Kluster_v2 | c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts |
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| 01:06.19 | abrotman | Kluster_v2: duh .. and OT |
| 01:06.35 | threat | wtf, I need to be registered in order to send a prv msg? |
| 01:06.35 | eleftherios | Kluster_v2, yes there is. God knows what that 'drivers' directory mean |
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| 01:06.55 | ozgurgerilla | guys can I partition my hard drive in windows in order to install debian in the partition |
| 01:06.58 | kspath | There is a HUGE divide between average luser knowledge and state of the art state of the art costs mega bucks always did though |
| 01:07.16 | neofutur | threat: yes freenode did this recently |
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| 01:07.22 | neofutur | too many spambots attacks |
| 01:07.24 | noideaatall | ozgurgerilla : sure ... i have done that several times .... |
| 01:07.27 | threat | neofutur, gay |
| 01:07.32 | noideaatall | in most of my installations |
| 01:07.33 | eleftherios | ozgurgerilla, if it already runs windows you need to resize the windows partition in order to create space for Debian |
| 01:07.33 | abrotman | !tell threat about gay |
| 01:07.35 | kspath | abrotman: I only spent 1,000.00 USD on books |
| 01:07.41 | threat | abrotman, yes I know about gay |
| 01:07.44 | abrotman | kspath: aren't you still unemployed? |
| 01:07.44 | neofutur | ? |
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| 01:07.55 | abrotman | kspath: can you find me a nice 12string martin ? |
| 01:07.57 | kspath | abrotman: yes keeps me busy |
| 01:08.54 | abrotman | kspath: you're not a coder? |
| 01:08.54 | ozgurgerilla | eleftherios: is partitioning in windows risky? and can you recommend me a tool? |
| 01:08.55 | Aid` | how do i set the password to view files? |
| 01:08.59 | Aid` | jus tthe user login pws? |
| 01:09.11 | abrotman | Aid`: go to samba.org .. or #samba .. there is tons of documentation |
| 01:09.17 | noideaatall | partition magic is greaT |
| 01:09.17 | eleftherios | ozgurgerilla, I have never done it as I only run Debian but as far as I know, no. |
| 01:09.30 | noideaatall | have resized lwin partitions like 5 times |
| 01:09.35 | boxy | threat, did you get your privmsg fixed? |
| 01:09.38 | noideaatall | but 1 time it just deleted all my files |
| 01:09.42 | threat | boxy, no :( |
| 01:09.42 | kspath | abrotman: I was 85% sysadmin solaris bsd linux and mail cluster and various got a bunch of theory books |
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| 01:09.52 | boxy | threat /msg nickserv register |
| 01:09.56 | threat | boxy, I am regiestered but I forgot my passwd ;( |
| 01:09.56 | mhall | haha i'm ircing from a moving train |
| 01:09.58 | ozgurgerilla | noideaatall: wow I cannot do that then. |
| 01:10.04 | threat | mhall, haha |
| 01:10.10 | eleftherios | ozgurgerilla, yes partition magic does the job but perhaps there are some open source/free software tools that do the same job too |
| 01:10.15 | abrotman | boxy: threat: why don't you both just /join #threatboxy ? |
| 01:10.15 | kspath | abrotman: working on asm and C and C |
| 01:10.15 | mhall | threat: train has free wifi |
| 01:10.16 | threat | mhall, ping timeout!! |
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| 01:10.28 | threat | mhall, where abouts ? asia somewhere? |
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| 01:10.33 | vbhanu | Anyone here using nbsmtp |
| 01:10.34 | mhall | threat: *lots* of those so far but now i'm in a valley -> good connectivity |
| 01:10.35 | kspath | abrotman: working on asm and C and C++ and python and perl and ruby and tcl and php and ... |
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| 01:10.42 | benjamindees | ozgurgerilla, I would not recommend partition magic; I use www.sysresccd.org |
| 01:10.47 | abrotman | kspath: have you read the awesome ruby intro guide? |
| 01:10.55 | abrotman | kspath: http://www.poignantguide.net/ruby/ |
| 01:10.57 | ozgurgerilla | benjamindees: thanks. |
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| 01:11.23 | abrotman | kspath: i sat one day at a client waiting for stuff to run . read the whole thing .. it's funny |
| 01:11.31 | threat | mhall, your frmo the US ? |
| 01:11.38 | vbhanu | What should be th format of messgae on STDIN to be given to it so that it sends the mail |
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| 01:11.51 | eleftherios | ozgurgerilla, in any case, make sure you take a backup. Personally, I have never heard any horror stories like noideaatall's but taking a backup is important. |
| 01:11.58 | kspath | abrotman: will do |
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| 01:12.09 | threat | echo "werd" | mail -s "werd" username@hostname.domainname |
| 01:12.10 | threat | ? |
| 01:12.16 | noideaatall | yeah , make back up |
| 01:12.18 | abrotman | mhall: guess the train is moving too fast? :) |
| 01:12.18 | mhall | threat yes |
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| 01:12.28 | mhall | abrotman: no it pokes along at maybe 30 |
| 01:12.28 | noideaatall | i mean i have used partition magic sevaral times and works like a charmm |
| 01:12.35 | noideaatall | just one time i lost all my data |
| 01:12.35 | threat | nice, I wonder when this technology will make it to the AU |
| 01:12.39 | noideaatall | just like doing a format c: |
| 01:12.52 | abrotman | threat: do you guys have cars yet? |
| 01:12.59 | noideaatall | lol a `format c: ` and b: and a: and d: and e: and all your shit |
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| 01:13.04 | mhall | threat: probably will work better there; flatter |
| 01:13.08 | threat | abrotman, cars? |
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| 01:13.26 | noideaatall | needles to say last time i used it |
| 01:13.30 | threat | abrotman, oh you mean motorised carridges ? |
| 01:13.46 | abrotman | threat: "horseless carriages" |
| 01:13.54 | threat | yes thats the one :P |
| 01:13.57 | threat | thanx :P |
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| 01:15.14 | benjamindees | I haven't used it in a long long time but heard too many horror stories of people destroying things with partition magic... |
| 01:15.15 | j2b | hello |
| 01:15.50 | j2b | i brazilian and start use linux now |
| 01:15.59 | virgomoon | any of you guys used to using K3B? I'm trying to burn a Data DVD and it says in the first part of the 'Media Dialog' "Found media: DVD+R (empty)" .. but then "Please insert an empty medium (DVD+/-R(W)) into drive |
| 01:16.00 | abrotman | !br |
| 01:16.01 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:16.01 | virgomoon | wtf? |
| 01:16.11 | mhall | benjamindees: to their credit the company warns you multiple times to back up data |
| 01:16.15 | j2b | does any body help me?????? |
| 01:16.17 | mhall | benjamindees: and that their tool is a convenience to save time of restoring the backup |
| 01:16.28 | mhall | benjamindees: so it's rather a bit unfair to blame them entirely |
| 01:16.41 | mhall | !tell j2b about portuguese |
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| 01:16.47 | mhall | !tell j2b about ask |
| 01:16.56 | eleftherios | !gr |
| 01:16.56 | dpkg | methinks gr is Greece, or General Relativity, or General Resolution |
| 01:17.03 | mhall | virgomoon: yeah had that problem |
| 01:17.16 | mhall | virgomoon: click 'Force' twice with media in the drive and it seems to work then |
| 01:17.17 | virgomoon | mhall, so is it empty or not, lol |
| 01:17.23 | virgomoon | mhall, alrighty |
| 01:17.24 | mhall | virgomoon: maybe time to file a bug |
| 01:17.30 | mhall | virgomoon: it happens to me nearly every time |
| 01:17.39 | abrotman | or ask #debian-kde |
| 01:17.39 | j2b | i use debian br |
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| 01:17.44 | virgomoon | mhall, oh, this might be it 'Data does not fit on disk' |
| 01:17.48 | eleftherios | abrotman, shall we make a similar notice for '!gr', there's a debian.gr channel on here (where there are two debian developers most of the time)? |
| 01:17.49 | abrotman | j2b: /join #debian-br |
| 01:17.49 | virgomoon | oops |
| 01:18.01 | abrotman | eleftherios: is there really anyone there? |
| 01:18.04 | j2b | ok |
| 01:18.20 | eleftherios | well, now it is just me but normally there are 3-4 people |
| 01:18.20 | abrotman | eleftherios: it's empty! |
| 01:18.24 | mhall | virgomoon: i would do it now that you have reminded me except connection is a bit flaky (on moving train atm) |
| 01:18.25 | mhall | virgomoon: hmm yeah data doesn't fit on disk is not esp. good sign |
| 01:18.25 | mhall | virgomoon: but i think it got it once as red herring |
| 01:18.31 | mhall | virgomoon: check capacity meter in bottom of the app, eh? |
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| 01:18.50 | virgomoon | I think it was just barely over |
| 01:18.51 | j2b | how m'I join debian-br? |
| 01:19.00 | abrotman | j2b: /join #debian-br |
| 01:19.04 | mhall | virgomoon: hmm maybe bzip2 some crap |
| 01:19.13 | mhall | virgomoon: dvd's don't overburn readily like CDs did |
| 01:19.18 | j2b | its the fist that i use x-chat |
| 01:19.30 | virgomoon | well, I'm trying to backup some debian ISOs for later burning |
| 01:19.31 | mhall | i have BAD BAD BAD luck with DVD burners and with the reliability of the goddamn discs |
| 01:19.31 | abrotman | j2b: in xchat window .. type /join #debian-br |
| 01:19.36 | mhall | pisses me off rather a lot |
| 01:19.48 | virgomoon | so perhaps I shouldn't depend on them, huh? |
| 01:19.50 | vulture | Oddly enough you got CDs right.. |
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| 01:20.06 | j2b | thank's |
| 01:20.11 | abrotman | vulture: ^^ |
| 01:20.44 | mhall | vulture: are you any relation to my old irc buddy the_vulture ? |
| 01:20.44 | mhall | vulture: you seem to be similarly pedantic for one ;-) |
| 01:20.51 | mhall | vulture: i have not heard much from him since he got hired by M$ |
| 01:21.13 | eleftherios | mhall, ooo...the dark side got him |
| 01:21.20 | blazefx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.20 | mhall | eleftherios: yes quite |
| 01:21.31 | abrotman | blazefx: man update-rc.d |
| 01:21.36 | blazefx | k |
| 01:21.39 | mhall | blazefx: update-rc.d -f <scriptname> remove |
| 01:21.45 | mhall | blazefx: please read man page first though |
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| 01:21.55 | blazefx | alright |
| 01:21.55 | vbhanu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.57 | vulture | mhall: I changed nick when I remembered I'd managed to register this one back in the time before honours |
| 01:21.57 | blazefx | thanks |
| 01:22.08 | CVirus | can I boot from an iso that is my hard disk ? |
| 01:22.12 | mhall | vulture: how goes M$? |
| 01:22.17 | noideaatall | abrotman: where can i get the source for a linux command such as ...`ls` for example or `echo ` ? |
| 01:22.19 | vulture | abrotman: Good point (I assume you were pointing to j2b).. very painful. |
| 01:22.25 | gnufa1 | vbhanu: no idea... but the submission live in /usr/lib/sendmail for reason that are too old for me to care |
| 01:22.36 | mhall | vulture: appears you are still in .au ;-) |
| 01:22.50 | vulture | mhall: Still haven't got all the details sorted out. Haven't heard much from them since before Christmas but I should be having a chat in the next week or so, try to get some details sorted out. |
| 01:22.55 | vulture | I doubt I'll be over there before, say March. |
| 01:23.10 | gnufa1 | vbhanu: program with which to submit email to your local MTA (whatever it is....) that is... |
| 01:23.13 | abrotman | noideaatall: get the source package |
| 01:23.31 | noideaatall | where from ? |
| 01:23.32 | mhall | vulture: and what in hell do you do before then |
| 01:23.36 | mhall | vulture: consult or some crap |
| 01:23.41 | vali | noideaatall, apt-get source |
| 01:23.44 | mhall | vulture: file immigration / h1-b ? |
| 01:23.53 | neofutur | kiron:/etc/bind# /etc/init.d/bind9 restart |
| 01:23.53 | neofutur | Stopping domain name service: namedrndc: connect failed: connection refused |
| 01:24.01 | neofutur | what should I do to stop this |
| 01:24.03 | benjamindees | noideaatall, those are all in the coreutils package |
| 01:24.09 | neofutur | probably my firewall is too strict . . . |
| 01:24.20 | mhall | neofutur: ah i was wondering might do it |
| 01:24.31 | mhall | neofutur: what kind of system & what kind of firewall |
| 01:24.35 | neofutur | shorewall |
| 01:24.38 | neofutur | testing |
| 01:24.44 | abrotman | neofutur: yes .. your firewall is being a pain |
| 01:24.50 | mhall | neofutur: right-o; is that not configurable? |
| 01:24.59 | neofutur | i just need to open something for this rndc |
| 01:25.02 | vulture | mhall: Nothing at all, at the moment I'm tutoring a computing summer school for high school students (just this week), much fun. |
| 01:25.04 | neofutur | shorewall is not the pb |
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| 01:25.09 | neofutur | my security policy is |
| 01:25.11 | abrotman | neofutur: check /etc/services .. find the port |
| 01:25.14 | vulture | mhall: E3 visa actually, something new created by the last round of trade negotiations |
| 01:25.21 | neofutur | everything closed and i open each needed thing |
| 01:25.26 | mhall | neofutur: perhaps an ALLOW ALL rule from 127.0.0.1 to 127.0.0.1 IP / TCP / UDP |
| 01:25.26 | mhall | ok must go now byw |
| 01:25.39 | neofutur | yes rndc port in services |
| 01:25.40 | neofutur | sure |
| 01:25.42 | sifi-x | how do I burn in Etch, k3b is impossible to get in testing sources |
| 01:25.51 | abrotman | neofutur: or not :) |
| 01:26.03 | gnufa1 | rndc uses 953 by default, but I think Debian ships it listening on 127.0.0.1 only. |
| 01:26.07 | abrotman | neofutur: i can't remember the port |
| 01:26.08 | neofutur | no rndc in, /etc/services ;( |
| 01:26.15 | abrotman | neofutur: yeah .. i realize that .. sorry |
| 01:26.34 | lunitik | sifi-x: cdrecord dev=/dev/hd? speed=foo --data/--audio/--raw file |
| 01:26.41 | neofutur | undocumented port used by bind |
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| 01:27.17 | lunitik | sifi-x: or use gnomebaker etc... apt-cache search burn or something |
| 01:27.41 | sifi-x | lunitik, thx |
| 01:27.50 | neofutur | abrotman: anyway ACCEPT all $FW tcp 953 - - - - |
| 01:27.53 | neofutur | should help |
| 01:28.06 | abrotman | if you say so .. i don't use shorewall |
| 01:28.17 | abrotman | sifi-x: arson .. gnomebaker .. many |
| 01:28.29 | neofutur | abrotman: it cant be shorewall related imho |
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| 01:28.37 | sifi-x | abrotman, luke_ KDE here =) |
| 01:28.38 | CyL | is there any guide on authenticating linux on a windows domain? |
| 01:28.41 | neofutur | shorewall only generates iptables rules |
| 01:28.44 | lunitik | sifi-x: look into graveman and gnomebaker ... arson is a kde app, so may wanna give that a shot too... |
| 01:28.47 | abrotman | sifi-x: i said arson |
| 01:28.51 | NelsonM | I'm trying to understand this apt 0.6 package signature problem, and it seems really complicated? is there some newbie user guide I'm missing? I'm reading http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt but there's a lot to understand. |
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| 01:28.53 | neofutur | what is debian preferred hlfl ? |
| 01:29.07 | neofutur | high level firewall language |
| 01:29.11 | sifi-x | great then |
| 01:29.11 | abrotman | NelsonM: see the topic? |
| 01:29.17 | abrotman | neofutur: vi ? |
| 01:29.21 | threat | neofutur, ummm binary :) |
| 01:29.27 | neofutur | grrr ;( |
| 01:29.31 | NelsonM | abrot; yes, but I'm still confused. will keep reading |
| 01:29.35 | abrotman | !2006 key |
| 01:29.35 | dpkg | from memory, 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. installing this package may not be auto-verifiable; OR! you can install the key as follow, explicitly trusting the keyserver with no verification -- gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 01:29.40 | threat | neofutur, 0's and 1's are hell easy to remember |
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| 01:29.53 | NelsonM | abrotma: I tried that. |
| 01:30.10 | threat | is there anything dpkg or apt do not know ? |
| 01:30.17 | gnufa1 | NelsonM: and what happened? |
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| 01:30.28 | NelsonM | gnufa: gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found |
| 01:30.37 | abrotman | dpkg: how much would could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood |
| 01:30.41 | abrotman | doh! |
| 01:30.41 | NelsonM | and it still complains that it can't verify the packages. |
| 01:30.45 | abrotman | dpkg: how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood |
| 01:30.49 | abrotman | bah .. i give up |
| 01:31.33 | j2b_ | does any body speak portuguese???? |
| 01:32.02 | noideaatall | NelsonM: i think what abrotman wants to say its ... just read this channel's topic |
| 01:32.16 | abrotman | j2b_: /join #debian-br |
| 01:32.17 | Kluster_v2 | !pt |
| 01:32.17 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:32.23 | CyL | j2b_: try #debian-br |
| 01:32.28 | j2b_ | excuse-me but it's the fist time i use xchat |
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| 01:32.58 | NelsonM | Hmm, I did read the channel topic, and am following instructions, and it's not working. I've installed the 2006 key, but apt is still unhappy. Do I have to upgrade apt itself before it will be happy? |
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| 01:33.14 | CyL | j2b_: just type /join #debian-br and be happy... |
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| 01:34.32 | gnufa1 | abrotman: whats all this woodchuck nonsense... dpkg claims it doesn't chuck wood at all. |
| 01:34.37 | abrotman | i know |
| 01:35.02 | abrotman | but ... |
| 01:35.04 | abrotman | !chuck norris |
| 01:35.04 | dpkg | somebody said chuck norris was ROUNDHOUSE KICK! |
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| 01:35.18 | j2b_ | but where i go? |
| 01:35.40 | abrotman | j2b_: #debian-br |
| 01:36.09 | CyL | I´m getting this message when I try to change my pass: passwd: Unable to recover password informatin... what could be going on? |
| 01:36.11 | NelsonM | this is the first time in three years an apt upgrade hasn't gone smoothly. I am sad, but then I'm impressed, too. |
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| 01:36.50 | dondelelcaro | NelsonM: no, you don't; what is the exact error that you're getting? |
| 01:37.05 | agney | j2b_, por favor digite ai "/join #debian-br" |
| 01:37.07 | dondelelcaro | NelsonM: use the paster bot to give us the exact output from apt-get. |
| 01:37.19 | abrotman | agney: thank you |
| 01:37.24 | agney | j2b_, aqui é um canal para quem fala ingles o debian-br é feito pra nós brazucas |
| 01:37.28 | CyL | j2b_: basta digitar na tela onde você digita as mensagens: "/join #debian-br" sem as aspas que você entra no canal mcerto... |
| 01:37.35 | agney | abrotman, thank you a lot for the patience :) |
| 01:37.51 | abrotman | i hope he's actually using debian |
| 01:38.20 | agney | abrotman, so do I |
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| 01:38.44 | agney | abrotman, he is already at #d-br |
| 01:38.50 | _rene_ | well, if he's not they either will help him nevertheless or send him to some other channel ;-) |
| 01:38.51 | abrotman | i see him now .. thank you |
| 01:39.07 | _rene_ | #ubuntu-whatever for example ;) |
| 01:39.13 | lunitik | abrotman: you speak Portuguese? |
| 01:39.18 | agney | abrotman, thank you again for your patience with a brazilian newbie :) |
| 01:39.25 | abrotman | lunitik: i barely speak spanish :) |
| 01:39.42 | abrotman | i can't even remember the alguien/alguem thingie |
| 01:39.55 | DarthPat | Do I use "ignore" to silence joins and part mmessages? |
| 01:39.56 | CyL | I´m getting this annoyng message when trying to change root´s pass: passwd: Unable to recover passwword information... could anyone help me please? |
| 01:39.58 | lunitik | abrotman: I can say "que onde wey"... thats about the depths of my Spanish, although I do like their females :P |
| 01:40.14 | NelsonM | dond: here's the authentication error from apt-get. http://channels.debian.net/paste/1530 |
| 01:40.15 | abrotman | good call |
| 01:40.25 | agney | CyL, are you brazilian ? |
| 01:40.32 | CyL | agney sure... |
| 01:40.42 | NelsonM | I've installed the 2006 key via several things, including "wget http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc -O - | apt-key add - ". Which reports "OK" |
| 01:40.42 | abrotman | NelsonM: apt-key list |
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| 01:40.56 | FaithX | I have issues with the tg3 module not picking up a BCM95751 card |
| 01:41.00 | NelsonM | abrotman: the list contains pub 1024D/2D230C5F 2006-01-03 [expires: 2007-02-07] |
| 01:41.22 | CyL | agney, I´ll try in #debian-br for a while now ;) |
| 01:41.31 | gnufa1 | CyL: tried pwck yet? |
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| 01:41.42 | NelsonM | (I'm generally pretty clueful, and I understand in detail how gpg works. But I'm not as familiar with Debian key management)_ |
| 01:41.52 | CyL | gnufa1 no, not yet... |
| 01:42.03 | agney | CyL, better to try here :). I only asked because I already seen you around there |
| 01:42.38 | CyL | agney: Yep... i haven´t been there for some months now |
| 01:42.59 | dondelelcaro | NelsonM: run apt-get update; again, and give us any errors from it |
| 01:43.02 | agney | CyL, :) |
| 01:43.08 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: does he need both keys? |
| 01:43.12 | CyL | gnufa1: in fact I can´t even create new users (I´m trying to change root´s pass).. |
| 01:43.18 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: possibly. |
| 01:43.28 | gnufa1 | CyL: and pwck says? |
| 01:43.37 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it really depends on which mirrors the files are comming from and when they were last updated |
| 01:44.00 | NelsonM | here's my full apt-key list: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1531 |
| 01:44.03 | abrotman | NelsonM: you only have one key? |
| 01:44.08 | CyL | gnufa1: don´t know... will try that tomorrow... this is an issue in a computer at work.. i´m home now... |
| 01:44.12 | NelsonM | apt-get update returns no errors. |
| 01:44.13 | foot | how do i make a new group? ive been googling for 20 minutes! can anyone shame me and quickly just give me the command? |
| 01:44.19 | NelsonM | abrotman: no, I have 3. see http://channels.debian.net/paste/1531 |
| 01:44.25 | CyL | gnufa1: but thank you buddy... |
| 01:44.31 | abrotman | oh .. nm .. you have the two i thought you might need |
| 01:44.42 | NelsonM | hmm |
| 01:44.59 | NelsonM | something new is happening. I did an "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" and it's refetching the packages. |
| 01:45.10 | abrotman | your hair flips? .. hairpiece? |
| 01:45.14 | gnufa1 | foot: addgroup |
| 01:45.19 | stew | combover? |
| 01:45.23 | NelsonM | does it refetch the packages after I install a new key? |
| 01:45.26 | foot | gnufa1, you are a god. thank you |
| 01:45.34 | foot | i knew it was something simple |
| 01:45.38 | dondelelcaro | NelsonM: no, but you need to reverify the packages file after you've installed the key. |
| 01:45.51 | dondelelcaro | NelsonM: you do that by running apt-get update; again |
| 01:45.56 | NelsonM | ah |
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| 01:46.06 | NelsonM | so after I install a key, I need to do another "apt-get update"? |
| 01:46.16 | dondelelcaro | NelsonM: right. |
| 01:46.19 | NelsonM | ah ha! |
| 01:46.30 | foot | i assume it was 'making' not 'adding', hence google had nothing for me. |
| 01:46.30 | dondelelcaro | NelsonM: apt-get figures out whether packages from a source are authenticated or not at apt-get update; time. |
| 01:46.41 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: tack that on to the end of <2006 key> ? |
| 01:46.42 | dondelelcaro | NelsonM: also, you probably should consider using aptitude instead of apt-get. |
| 01:46.42 | NelsonM | someone may want to modify the "dpkg 2006 key" output to suggest that. I didn't realize I needed another update. |
| 01:46.46 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: probably; |
| 01:46.50 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: 2006 key |
| 01:46.50 | dpkg | 2006 key is probably apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. installing this package may not be auto-verifiable; OR! you can install the key as follow, explicitly trusting the keyserver with no verification -- gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 01:46.53 | NelsonM | dondel: I usually do, switched back to apt-get when I had trouble. |
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| 01:47.24 | abrotman | !2006 key |
| 01:47.24 | dpkg | [2006 key] apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. installing this package may not be auto-verifiable; OR! you can install the key as follow, explicitly trusting the keyserver with no verification -- gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - && apt-get update |
| 01:47.30 | NelsonM | there ya go |
| 01:47.34 | gnufa1 | foot: nope users and groups are all add... adduser addgroup, not to be confused with groupadd and friends. |
| 01:47.36 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: good enough ? |
| 01:47.42 | NelsonM | thanks for the help. how confusing! |
| 01:48.02 | NelsonM | is someone working on a different key distribution mechanism? or is this the way it has to be? |
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| 01:48.22 | dondelelcaro | NelsonM: yes, it's currently being discussed on -devel. |
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| 01:48.31 | NelsonM | ah, ok. key distribution is always the hard part. |
| 01:48.38 | foot | gnufa1, ugh. ;) |
| 01:48.38 | gnufa1 | When will all updates to unstable be signed? |
| 01:48.41 | NelsonM | X.509 might be appropriate here, except for the political problems. |
| 01:48.44 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: why can't they do like a security update ... and get the key upgraded ? |
| 01:49.00 | abrotman | erm .. updated |
| 01:49.05 | brick | i want to install a minimal subset of my OS on a bootable key - ideas how i can separate those parts out? |
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| 01:49.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: because that still doesn't give you a trust path to the key |
| 01:49.33 | NelsonM | is the 2006 key not signed by the 2005 key? |
| 01:49.40 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: well .. wouldn't the packages be "trusted" based on the old key? |
| 01:50.00 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: not necessarily; see the archives for the full details (or I can discuss it in an hour or so) |
| 01:50.08 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 01:50.37 | noideaatall | I assume dondelelcaro is a debian developer ? |
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| 01:50.53 | jvw | abrotman: if you'd upgrade trusting the old key, there's no sense in cycling the keys anyway |
| 01:51.00 | jvw | noideaatall: he is a debian developer, yes |
| 01:52.05 | NelsonM | wait, one more confusion. the 2005 key doesn't expire until 2006-01-31. so why don't the packages verify? are they only signed by the 2006 key? |
| 01:52.14 | abrotman | jvw: i suppose .. couldn't you have a "release key" ? |
| 01:52.27 | abrotman | jvw: like a single key for all of sarge's duration |
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| 01:52.48 | rendi | hi how prevent my server from DDOS attack ? |
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| 01:53.05 | Shorty` | unplug it |
| 01:53.05 | Shorty` | :) |
| 01:53.31 | jvw | abrotman: that's one of the idea's being discussed |
| 01:53.35 | cleit0n | hi, how i make work one joystick "foston analogic" in debian? |
| 01:53.40 | jvw | NelsonM: apt bug |
| 01:53.44 | jvw | NelsonM: meanwhile solved |
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| 01:54.08 | Marich | hello |
| 01:54.18 | gnufa1 | rendi: depend on the attack, if genuine DDoS contact your bandwidth provider. The big ISPs can sometimes help, or if the traffic is identifiable filter it further upstream. |
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| 01:54.53 | rendi | what tool i must install it to prevent |
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| 01:55.08 | Marich | anyone know how to fix mouse over problems with debian? mouse over doesn't work at all, I have to click everything, from the rask bar to menu options on konquerer |
| 01:55.34 | rendi | gnufa1 can i pv |
| 01:56.24 | noiesmo | hey all i am have a problem with ssh stalling i have OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4, OpenSSL 0.9.7e 25 Oct 2004 on both system any ideas |
| 01:56.31 | odla | how do i configure a usb joystick? |
| 01:56.39 | gnufa1 | rendi: can't prevent distributed denial of service. Your machine is the end point not the source. If we all decided to come around yours for coffee now, you could bolt the door, but we'd still fill up your drive/road etc |
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| 01:57.01 | xlotlu | my /etc/apt/preferences has a=stable -- priority 600, and o=Debian -- priority 50. still an unstable package just got installed in favor of a stable one... what did i get wrong? |
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| 01:57.42 | gnufa1 | rendi: whats the worry? DDoS aren't that common unless you have a high profile for some reason. |
| 01:57.43 | thetallcoolone | someone here can help me with reinitializing proftpd? #proftpd is basically dead, no one ther for help. |
| 01:57.45 | phogg | odla: jscal/jscalibrator, if joystick support is working |
| 01:58.02 | abrotman | noiesmo: stalling ?> |
| 01:58.12 | gnufa1 | thetallcoolone: whats the problem exactly? |
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| 01:58.18 | NelsonM | As penance, I wrote up some notes on the 2006 debian keys on my weblog. http://www.somebits.com/weblog/tech/debianKeys.html |
| 01:58.28 | rendi | some one jelous about me |
| 01:58.29 | rendi | :) |
| 01:58.36 | rendi | and my server load very slow |
| 01:58.46 | rendi | i think he attack my server |
| 01:58.47 | noiesmo | abrotman, transfer goes from say 200KB/s to 40KB/s then reports stalled |
| 01:58.49 | Nothing | Hey all I am having a problem xforwarding through ssh. I can ssh into the computer and xforward stuff from one computer but my other computer (useing the same computer to xforward from) gives my the msg "Xlib: connection to "grond:10.0" refused by server Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key Error: Can't open display: grond:10" Anyone know what this means? |
| 01:59.00 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 01:59.01 | dpkg | i heard sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 01:59.10 | thetallcoolone | gnufal: I just reinstalled proftpd over proftpd-mysql (long story) and it is setup to start from inetd. I need to get it up and running now. |
| 01:59.15 | abrotman | noiesmo: any firewall ? |
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| 01:59.32 | sp0 | whats the dpkg forget root pass msg? |
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| 01:59.41 | abrotman | !tell sp0 about ifrp |
| 02:00.04 | gnufa1 | thetallcoolone: what one do you want mysql/nomysql..... |
| 02:00.04 | htedrom | hey all |
| 02:00.14 | htedrom | does anyone know offhand if the netinstall disc comes with gcc? |
| 02:00.14 | rendi | !tell rendi about ddos |
| 02:00.14 | noiesmo | abrotman, yes but both set to allow ssh from respective ips even if firewall disabled same prob |
| 02:00.54 | Nothing | abrotman, x forwarding is enabled on the server because as I said I can xforward from it from a diffrent computer |
| 02:00.55 | thetallcoolone | gnufal: the nomysql, and it is installed now and the proftpd.conf is modified according my needs. |
| 02:01.08 | nevyn | htedrom: no. |
| 02:01.25 | abrotman | noiesmo: any other clients have the same issue ? |
| 02:01.39 | noiesmo | abrotman, yes |
| 02:02.02 | Nothing | abrotman, O also I can xforward to the computer that does not work sshing from the server if I use a diffrent computer to xforward from |
| 02:02.08 | gnufa1 | thetallcoolone: so what is the problem? |
| 02:02.39 | abrotman | noiesmo: so it's not just between two distinct machines ? |
| 02:02.40 | NelsonM | thanks for helping me with my debian keys. bye! |
| 02:03.21 | abrotman | Nothing: do you want the mit magic cookie factoid? :) |
| 02:03.33 | thetallcoolone | gnufal: the proftpd server is not actually running. From command line, proftpd returns: localhost.localdomain - fatal: Socket operation on non-socket |
| 02:03.50 | thetallcoolone | gnufal: I know it is because it is setup to run from inetd |
| 02:04.05 | thetallcoolone | gnufal: I need to reinitialise it |
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| 02:04.19 | htedrom | nevyn: no it doesn't? |
| 02:04.19 | Nothing | abrotman, I am really stupid. I was sshing as root. |
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| 02:04.27 | gnufa1 | thetallcoolone: you using inetd or xinetd |
| 02:04.29 | abrotman | Nothing: all fixed ? |
| 02:04.35 | Nothing | Ya |
| 02:04.36 | thetallcoolone | gnufal: inted |
| 02:04.40 | thetallcoolone | *inetd |
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| 02:05.03 | Nothing | ok xchat started on my server |
| 02:05.03 | gnufa1 | and the line in inetd.conf reads? |
| 02:05.07 | Nothing | at last! :) |
| 02:05.15 | abrotman | Nothing: it was the silly magic cookie! |
| 02:05.24 | Gokee2 | abrotman, Ya |
| 02:05.33 | Gokee2 | magic cookies... |
| 02:05.36 | vbhanu | Hi, i want to send mails to about 100 people and the message's to be sent are in different files, how do i send the in an automated way.. |
| 02:05.43 | vbhanu | what are the tools that i need? and can it be done using mutt+nbsmtp? |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | at least i didn't offer him the mit magic brownie |
| 02:05.53 | thetallcoolone | gnufal: ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/proftpd |
| 02:06.13 | Gokee2 | abrotman, I am nothing :) |
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| 02:07.05 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: what you think of the new apple laptop? 4x faster. |
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| 02:08.20 | gnufa1 | thetallcoolone: so you've signalled inetd to reread the config file since adding that, or was it always so? |
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| 02:09.30 | thetallcoolone | gnufal: well I did issue "inetd" from the command line. Isn't it the way to restart it? |
| 02:10.10 | Coweater | /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 02:10.38 | Coweater | there's a reload option too, probably what you want |
| 02:10.40 | abrotman | or kill -1 |
| 02:10.52 | gnufa1 | thetallcoolone: inetd is a daemon, start it /etc/init.d/inetd start|stop etc |
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| 02:12.11 | thetallcoolone | gnufal: thanks. That seems what I was missing. (Coweater and abrotman: thanks to you too) |
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| 02:12.55 | slava | what's a really simple imap server that will work with unix user accounts, and mbox files from sendmail? |
| 02:12.57 | noiesmo | abrotman, i have only had this issue since i did full re install both systems moving then to sarge |
| 02:12.58 | slava | or even pop3 |
| 02:12.58 | gnufa1 | thetallcoolone: inetd sucks - xinetd is better, or just change it to a standalone server.... |
| 02:13.08 | gnufa1 | slava: dovecot |
| 02:13.54 | gnufa1 | slava: although the mbox support is a bit iffy.... I thought sendmail was for masochists only ;) |
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| 02:14.28 | stew | !wb azeem |
| 02:14.28 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! azeem has returned! |
| 02:14.47 | azeem | heya |
| 02:14.54 | azeem | I got lost in some netsplit or so |
| 02:14.57 | FaithX | how do I figure it io port of pci devices? |
| 02:15.10 | BlackJudas | wtf's up with p.d.o |
| 02:15.27 | abrotman | it says on the page doesn't it ? |
| 02:15.53 | gnufa1 | abrotman: hey sometime slow service is better than no service at all |
| 02:15.57 | BlackJudas | Down due to performance issues? :/ I don't know what that means exactly. |
| 02:16.14 | azeem | BlackJudas: the same host runs ftp.debian.org |
| 02:16.19 | stew | BlackJudas: the server tha hosts p.d.o gets more requests than it can handle |
| 02:16.28 | benjamindees | FaithX, why? |
| 02:16.30 | azeem | so, we rather serve people packages than just talk about them |
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| 02:17.52 | BlackJudas | Makes sense now, thanks. |
| 02:18.30 | FaithX | benjamindees: because I need to know to load a module |
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| 02:19.55 | benjamindees | FaithX, cat /proc/pci |
| 02:21.19 | gnufa1 | I found a laser the other day - it says 1 MW on the side, I so hope that the capitalisation is right, I've always wanted to achieve world domination... How they get a megawatt out of three battery is a mystery to me. |
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| 02:22.09 | stew | gnufa1: just don't expect the batteries to last very long |
| 02:22.31 | smacnay | with 'lsmod' showing all the ide modules loaded (initrd kernel) and a '[permanent]' beside each. Will I be able to blacklist the unecessary ones in /etc/modprobe.d ? |
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| 02:23.16 | Psi-Jack | Is there anything I should know about, getting X to work with an Nvidia TI 200? |
| 02:23.37 | kspath | VESA? |
| 02:23.48 | stew | smacnay: you might have to just remove them from the initrd, but i'm not sure, man mkinird.conf (if you are using mkinitrd and not initramfs-tools or yaird or [insert new ramfs tool of the week here]) |
| 02:23.56 | Psi-Jack | No, I'd rather prefer DRM. |
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| 02:25.11 | blockd | Psi-Jack: you could /msg the dpkg bot for "nvidia one-liner" |
| 02:25.18 | SerajewelKS | can i get thunderbird to not wrap a block of text? |
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| 02:25.37 | blockd | although that might not solve any and all specific issues |
| 02:25.42 | smacnay | stew: hmm, this is kernel (debianised) 2.6.12-1-k7 or some such. Pretty sure it is initrd. Not sure what initramts-tools is... and never used yaird. |
| 02:25.59 | kingsley_ | stew: You've had the top productivity rating at www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/nick_productivity for a long time. I'm impressed. |
| 02:26.32 | Psi-Jack | blockd: Well, I'm still doing a backup of my files on this computer. Prepping to run Linux off my test drive. |
| 02:27.02 | stew | kingsley_: hopefully its not completely inversely correlated with my productivity in the rest of my life :) |
| 02:27.11 | Psi-Jack | I've never used X with an Nvidia-based card before. But I knew there used to be issues. ;) |
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| 02:29.13 | z36ra | why does KDE suck on Debian? |
| 02:29.14 | stew | smacnay: see which of initrd-tools,initramfs-tools,yaird, you have installed and see which manpages they installed, again, i'm guessing here, but remember that it doesn't matter that it was a debian comiled kernel, the initrd is still created postinst |
| 02:29.21 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: does it? |
| 02:29.23 | Slurpee` | i have terrible issues with nvidia and x !!! |
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| 02:29.50 | Azar | why so Slurpee` ? |
| 02:29.50 | z36ra | Seraj: yes indeed! |
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| 02:29.57 | Slurpee` | i have no idea |
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| 02:30.05 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: ok. you have exactly one minute to prove you're not trolling. |
| 02:30.07 | Slurpee` | ive been trying to get my fx5200 to work for weeks |
| 02:30.28 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm.. Sarge is using XFree86 still? |
| 02:30.30 | Slurpee` | when i installed debian, x loaded fine, but once i tried setting up the drives to get the card to work properly. x wont even start now |
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| 02:30.38 | Azar | Slurpee`: I could only help you if you 1. run Sarge 2. have your apt sources well configured 3. run a 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 02:30.44 | stew | z36ra: kde sucks in testing / unstable right now so that when etch is released it won't suck |
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| 02:30.53 | Slurpee` | azar, supringly, i think i have all of that |
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| 02:31.04 | Slurpee` | except my apt sources "configured well" |
| 02:31.11 | smacnay | stew: /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf looked a bit sparse (none of the modules listed were active) so it appears as though bootup is not utilising this file. I see that it was set to use mkcramfs to generate the initrd image. But I am not sure if this option was set after I tired to install (failing miserably) a 2.6.14 image. |
| 02:31.15 | Azar | ok Slurpee` your apt sources list should have the "non-free" appended do they? |
| 02:31.16 | blockd | Psi-Jack: yep... though X.org is available if you don't run stable -- not that I'm recommending you do that. Just mentioning it. |
| 02:31.53 | Azar | also, Slurpee, your apt sources should point at "stable" not "testing" , "unstable" or other names |
| 02:31.58 | ChrisTucker | whats a good (and easy) firewall? firestarter? |
| 02:32.05 | z36ra | Seraje: when I click on a text file in Konq, it just sits there. Fresh install. blah blah.. |
| 02:32.32 | Slurpee` | azar, can u actually just give me the source file that i need ? |
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| 02:32.39 | z36ra | stew: testing sucks even worse than sarge. |
| 02:32.49 | Azar | Slurpee as root type : less /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 02:32.52 | benjamindees | Psi-Jack, there is an xorg backport as well |
| 02:32.58 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: can we have a link or something? |
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| 02:33.12 | Slurpee` | k |
| 02:33.20 | stew | smacnay: mkinitrd picks modules not just from the .conf but also by inspecting stuff like /sys/ and maybe lspci lsmod and such, so i was suggesting that maybe you find a way to blacklist there |
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| 02:33.33 | z36ra | Seraje: a link to what? |
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| 02:33.41 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: to the text file that's breaking? |
| 02:33.47 | benjamindees | z36ra, double click? |
| 02:33.59 | Slurpee` | azar, only have "stable" ??? |
| 02:34.03 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: is this on http: or file: ? |
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| 02:34.15 | stew | z36ra: right and sarge had times during testing when it sucked wrt kde, i'm saying that sucky times in testing make for good times in stable |
| 02:34.18 | Azar | Slurpee the last 4 options on each link should show : / stable main non-free contrib |
| 02:34.31 | smacnay | stew: I am beginning to think that the modules loaded are set somewhere in the /etc/modprobe.d set of files. |
| 02:34.34 | z36ra | Seraje: this is a mime to a text file on my disk. ex: README. |
| 02:34.34 | Azar | if they do not, Slurpee open the file with an editor and add them to each link at the end |
| 02:34.39 | smacnay | stew: thanks - I will look at that as well. |
| 02:34.48 | outlaw_ | does anyone know why installing gnome removes k3b? (and can I get it back if I do install?) |
| 02:34.54 | stew | smacnay: what modules are giving you concern, btw? |
| 02:35.01 | z36ra | slow down guys |
| 02:35.01 | Azar | Slurpee, after / stable add main non-free contrib |
| 02:35.11 | SerajewelKS | !tell z36ra about tab |
| 02:35.42 | Azar | I wonder how Sarge installer left you so naked in sources Slurpee |
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| 02:35.56 | smacnay | stew: for the block device ide - all of the modules are loading, not just the one for my nforce chipset. That is one example. |
| 02:36.01 | z36ra | im just bitchen for the sake of bitchin. I have some issues but most are mental! |
| 02:36.20 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: is konq set to single-click or double-click mode? |
| 02:36.31 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: if you hover over a file, does the cursor change to a hand? |
| 02:36.31 | Azar | Slurpee when you are done check and tell what kernel version you got, brb phone |
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| 02:36.43 | stew | smacnay: what is the sympton? no dma? |
| 02:36.48 | Slurpee` | 2.6 |
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| 02:37.17 | z36ra | Seraj: take it easy big guy... thats not what the prob is. |
| 02:37.22 | stew | gravity: we had more than one person today that had a hanging xorg in unstable that was fixed with a dpkg-reconfigure, is that expected? or a suprise or what? |
| 02:37.31 | hanasaki | apt-get update is showing .. W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 02:37.31 | hanasaki | 010908312D230C5F |
| 02:37.39 | hanasaki | what is this? how do i fix it? |
| 02:37.41 | stew | hanasaki: /topic |
| 02:37.45 | hanasaki | k |
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| 02:38.03 | gravity | stew: That is a surprise |
| 02:38.07 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: please start typing my nick out or using tab |
| 02:38.10 | sifi-x | I get "cdrecord: No write mode specified." when I execute "cdrecord -v speed=48 dev=/file.iso", how is this possible? |
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| 02:38.19 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, |
| 02:38.22 | Psi-Jack | What are the major advantages, if any, to X.org, over XFree86? |
| 02:38.24 | hanasaki | hmmm |
| 02:38.29 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, thanx |
| 02:38.38 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: and i am taking it easy, i asked you a question: are you sure that you are telling konq to open the file? |
| 02:38.38 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, been a while |
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| 02:38.43 | stew | gravity: i told them to reportbug with little confidence that they actually would |
| 02:38.49 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: if you right-click the file and choose "open" does it still fail? |
| 02:38.54 | neuterspay | Anybody prefer either bittorrent or bittornado over oneanother? |
| 02:38.57 | gravity | stew: Yeah, no reports that I've seen |
| 02:38.59 | jldugger | Psi-Jack, well, there's real transparencies available, although its not perfect yet. |
| 02:39.00 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, yes |
| 02:39.00 | deadcat | neuterspay: same |
| 02:39.13 | smacnay | stew: I could paste my lsmod output and you would get an idea of how many modules are loaded. No symptoms - just a desire on my part to not waste memory with modules I don't need. |
| 02:39.15 | stew | gravity: how is the transition going? |
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| 02:39.32 | smacnay | stew: sorry for the delay - I ran and got my wife a drink of water. |
| 02:39.33 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, lemme get in |
| 02:39.33 | Psi-Jack | jldugger: Hmmm, I see.. That would be cool. Real alpha-transparency capabilities? |
| 02:39.36 | gravity | stew: Coming along I guess, I dunno |
| 02:39.38 | neuterspay | deadcat: They're the same thing? |
| 02:39.51 | deadcat | neuterspay: you wont be able to tell the diff same |
| 02:39.51 | gravity | stew: Wait... which transition do you mean? There's a few going on... |
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| 02:39.59 | stew | gravity: -> modular |
| 02:40.06 | tolstoy | folks: trying to download a netinstall disc. how do i check image integrity before burning to cd? Don't see a checksum anywhere. |
| 02:40.08 | sifi-x | Why do I get "cdrecord: No write mode specified." when I execute "cdrecord -v speed=48 dev=/file.iso", what have I missed? |
| 02:40.16 | jldugger | Psi-Jack, yea. no more fake gnome-terminal transparencies. problem is that it doesnt play nice with gnome or the nvidia-glx it seems |
| 02:40.17 | stew | xorg |
| 02:40.18 | stew | that is |
| 02:40.19 | gravity | stew: Ok. It's on hold while I get 6.9 ready for testing |
| 02:40.20 | neuterspay | deadcat: You sure? I thought bittornado mixes up the ports - okay well in any case, are they good clients? Do you prefer them to Azureus? |
| 02:40.27 | jldugger | Psi-Jack, fortunately, its an option |
| 02:40.28 | deadcat | neuterspay: then dont ask. |
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| 02:40.41 | Psi-Jack | jldugger: Oh, good.. Exactly what I'm using.. An Nvidia. LOL |
| 02:40.42 | Azar | ok slurpee now do you remember , did you installed X server? |
| 02:40.53 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, I click on file:/usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.Debian and NOTHIN' |
| 02:40.55 | blockd | sifi-x: it's not dev=<file to burn> |
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| 02:41.17 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, double-click in gnome |
| 02:41.20 | neuterspay | deadcat: Don't ask? I asked if anybody preferred one over the other - and why? You told me that they're the same - that I won't be able to tell a difference. I know for a fact that they're not the same, but that's not what I asked. |
| 02:41.26 | blockd | sifi-x: dev specifies what to burn it with |
| 02:41.27 | neuterspay | Not trying to be a dick. |
| 02:41.28 | Psi-Jack | The Debian Sarge net-install CD ISO is a bootable image, yes? |
| 02:41.29 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: right-click, open with > kwrite |
| 02:41.34 | neuterspay | Just asking, does anybody prefer one over the other? |
| 02:41.42 | neuterspay | And how does either compare to Azureus? |
| 02:41.49 | jldugger | Psi-Jack, it still works, but its buggy according to nvidia. i tried it out once, not worth it. the logout screen didnt show up when i clicked for it =/ |
| 02:41.52 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, that worked |
| 02:42.01 | sifi-x | blockd, I pasted wrong, it should be: cdrecord -v speed=48 dev=/dev/hdc -data /file.iso |
| 02:42.05 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: try double-clicking the file |
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| 02:42.16 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: if you don't see a little "zoom" animation over the file then it didn't work |
| 02:42.25 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, ok it's working now. |
| 02:42.29 | Azar | Slurpee type uname -a what it say? |
| 02:42.31 | sifi-x | blockd, cdrecord -v speed=48 dev=/dev/hdc -data /file.iso gives me "cdrecord: No write mode specified." |
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| 02:42.49 | Psi-Jack | I'm on my LAST backup, finally. :D |
| 02:42.50 | Slurpee` | Linux mythtv 2.6.8-2-k7 #1 Tue Aug 16 14:00:15 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:42.51 | z36ra | hmm |
| 02:42.55 | acid-trip | ok i am going to sound really stupid |
| 02:43.00 | acid-trip | i need a hand fixing my apt |
| 02:43.03 | Slurpee` | i have x server installed, and i updated my sources.list |
| 02:43.05 | Azar | Slurpee did you installed x-server? |
| 02:43.14 | Azar | ok |
| 02:43.15 | acid-trip | it wont let me overwrite my current driver |
| 02:43.20 | sifi-x | blockd, any idea |
| 02:43.25 | Slurpee` | azar, im not at home atm.... im using ssh |
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| 02:43.53 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, ok when I close Konq and try again I get the same problem |
| 02:43.56 | xbris | hello i just installed php4 and i cant figure out what the default user/pass is for the database |
| 02:44.00 | Azar | Slurpee now do here in irc : /msg dpkg nvidida one liner and apply the long line command it gives you |
| 02:44.30 | stew | xbris: php4 doesn't have a database or a database password, are you talking about mysql-server maybe? |
| 02:44.35 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: then something is fscked. kde does not do that by default, on any system that i know of. |
| 02:44.51 | xbris | oops thats what i meant |
| 02:44.51 | Slurpee` | im no getting the oneliner |
| 02:44.52 | stew | xbris: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian |
| 02:45.01 | xbris | thnx |
| 02:45.03 | Azar | Slurpee fyi I think you will not be able to startx over ssh |
| 02:45.14 | Slurpee` | azar, i agree |
| 02:45.29 | Slurpee` | isnt there another way to check if my drive is configed correctly? |
| 02:45.36 | Slurpee` | i also need to configure my tv card ? |
| 02:45.38 | acid-trip | how can i reconfigure my base configuration for xwindowsystem to use my xlibmesa-gl |
| 02:45.38 | Slurpee` | pvr-150 |
| 02:45.39 | Azar | Slurpee but bottom line is you apply that long line command in root |
| 02:45.41 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, if I dont right-click and open in kwrite... it fails. ... yeah i know. I been doin this for a while. KDE has this problem every now and then. this is one of the first times it has done it consistantly... |
| 02:45.50 | Slurpee` | azar, i tried that command MANY times, never works |
| 02:46.10 | Azar | Slurpee that because your apt sources list did not have the "non-free" option |
| 02:46.16 | Azar | now should work |
| 02:46.21 | SerajewelKS | speaking of KDE, is etch KDE still pretty broken? |
| 02:46.37 | Azar | Slurpee if you saved the /etc/apt/sources.list configuration that is.. |
| 02:46.40 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, it runs good on Etch but I screwed up kb3 trying to upgrade to sid. |
| 02:46.58 | acid-trip | Azar: how can i reconfigure my base configuration for xwindowsystem to use my xlibmesa-gl |
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| 02:47.22 | blockd | sifi-x: off-hand, no. But K3b has made me lazy using cdrecord. I'd have to read the man page again to make sure. Also, I'm more used to using it on a 2.4 kernel, so if that's what you're using it on then I don't think dev=/dev/hd* is a good way to specify it. |
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| 02:47.22 | Azar | acid-trip I am not so advanced, I only know base installations/configuration sorry |
| 02:47.23 | powerson | Hi~ |
| 02:47.43 | acid-trip | !dpkg xwindow |
| 02:47.53 | stew | !drxx acid-trip |
| 02:47.53 | dpkg | acid-trip: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:47.56 | vbhanu | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.57 | blockd | sifi-x: if it's 2.6 then I don't know if you still need that alternate syntax to specify /dev/hd* (I'm not talking about SCSI addresses though) |
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| 02:47.59 | sifi-x | blockd, 2.6 here |
| 02:48.05 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, kde runs good on etch but kb3 isnt there. |
| 02:48.15 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: lots of things aren't there on etch |
| 02:48.22 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: i'm referring to what currently exists |
| 02:48.30 | sifi-x | blockd, so how do I specify ther burner interface on 2.6 |
| 02:48.42 | z36ra | Sememmon, I cant even get it to work on mixed install |
| 02:48.44 | terr | I'm having some trouble with dd. I used "mt -f /dev/st0 setblk 0" and then "dd if=/dev/st0 of=/dev/null count=1" and it gives me " Cannot allocate memory" |
| 02:48.49 | z36ra | oops |
| 02:49.05 | Slurpee` | azar, i copied and pasted a apt get list from an online guide and i think i have a bunch of sources that i dont need |
| 02:49.12 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, see what TAB did for me there... hehe |
| 02:49.25 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: of course, you have to be careful ;) |
| 02:49.26 | dvs | terr: You're writing to /dev/null? |
| 02:49.28 | sifi-x | blockd, you don't know? how do you burn an ISO image in 2.4? |
| 02:49.47 | terr | dvs - yup |
| 02:49.49 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: by "mixed" do you mean sarge+etch or sarge+sid? or etch+sid? |
| 02:49.59 | blockd | sifi-x: differently than 2.6 I'm pretty sure. Are you running cdrecord as root? |
| 02:50.08 | terr | dvs why would I want the data on my hard drive? Its already on tape... |
| 02:50.09 | sifi-x | blockd, yes |
| 02:50.12 | Azar | Slurpee the good way is to only have a good working connection source, the mirrors.kernel.org and the security.debian.org, that is only 3 sources |
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| 02:50.19 | powerson | um.. |
| 02:50.30 | dvs | terr: Writing to /dev/null makes no sense in that case |
| 02:50.32 | Slurpee` | what is the 3rd ? |
| 02:50.39 | sifi-x | blockd, shouldn't have done that erh? |
| 02:50.43 | terr | dvs why not? |
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| 02:51.03 | dvs | terr: That dd command won't change anything. |
| 02:51.17 | Azar | Slurpee say deb.http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib for example if that works for you |
| 02:51.21 | terr | dvs I dont' want dd to change anything - I want it to read the tape |
| 02:51.29 | z36ra | got disconnected |
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| 02:51.59 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, kde runs good on etch but kb3 isnt there. |
| 02:52.03 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, see what TAB did for me there... hehe |
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| 02:52.16 | dvs | z36ra: testing? (etch) |
| 02:52.22 | terr | dvs man pages do not tell me the valid range for setblk. Do you know? |
| 02:52.27 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: by "mixed" do you mean sarge+etch or sarge+sid? or etch+sid? |
| 02:52.29 | dvs | terr: Nope |
| 02:52.29 | z36ra | dvs: yeah |
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| 02:52.41 | bucky | !info kb3 etch |
| 02:52.45 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, Ive tried a bunch |
| 02:52.48 | blockd | sifi-x: afaik it still needs elevated privs... I'm just really not sure why it's not working for you. |
| 02:52.48 | sifi-x | blockd, I get the same results with a regular usr |
| 02:52.57 | blockd | sifi-x: is it not burning or is it just an informational message? |
| 02:53.04 | deadcat | whats a good GUI cd recorder besides k3b? |
| 02:53.05 | Azar | Slurpee then after you save the file, try an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade to verify it |
| 02:53.07 | bucky | !info k3b etch |
| 02:53.07 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, etch/sid mainly |
| 02:53.08 | sifi-x | blockd, the weird thing is that it has worked fine before |
| 02:53.09 | terr | setblk 0 should tell it to view the records as variable length or undefined. |
| 02:53.13 | stew | bucky: its not in etch |
| 02:53.14 | sifi-x | blockd, in sarge |
| 02:53.28 | z36ra | yup |
| 02:53.30 | blockd | sifi-x: I always burn as root myself. Otherwise you wind up with coasters. |
| 02:53.46 | bucky | there's some twisted reason for it not being in etch.. i was hoping dpkg could tell me why |
| 02:53.52 | stew | i always burn at 2x and then you don't end up with coasters |
| 02:54.02 | stew | bucky: /msg dpkd which is k3b not in testing |
| 02:54.06 | Azar | Slurpee I will have to go soon so then you can do that long command line for nvidia one liner it should work |
| 02:54.10 | z36ra | OH! and if I try Wine from sourceforge... no go in sarge |
| 02:54.11 | stew | bucky: it doesn't build on hppa iirc |
| 02:54.32 | SerajewelKS | wtf is hppa |
| 02:54.36 | stew | !hppa |
| 02:54.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hppa is called pa-risc |
| 02:54.37 | z36ra | but thats a little issue. |
| 02:54.43 | z36ra | small |
| 02:54.45 | stew | !pa-risc |
| 02:54.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pa-risc is http://www.parisc-linux.org |
| 02:55.06 | sifi-x | blockd, "cdrecord: Operation not permitted. Cannot send SCSI cmd via ioctl" when I run "cdrecord --dummy -v speed=48 dev=/dev/hdc /debian-testing-amd64-binary-1.iso" |
| 02:55.24 | sifi-x | blockd, the burner works in windows so |
| 02:55.26 | bucky | z36ra: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
| 02:55.42 | deadcat | sifi-x: i am having trouble with burning cds as well. |
| 02:55.55 | abrotman | !distract deadcat |
| 02:55.58 | sifi-x | deadcat, yea, Etch? |
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| 02:56.09 | z36ra | bucky, thanx |
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| 02:56.16 | deadcat | sifi-x: sid |
| 02:56.16 | blockd | sifi-x: wish I could help. I originally just pointed out the dev argument was wrong, but you said that was a typo. Other than that, I'm not sure what's going on for you... |
| 02:56.26 | Muffie | How can I clean all downloaded packages used by apt-get install? |
| 02:56.27 | Azar | didn't I read that Nero released a burner for linux as well? |
| 02:56.34 | stew | Muffie: apt-get clean |
| 02:56.40 | blockd | they did, but why pay for it when you have k3b? |
| 02:56.41 | Muffie | stew, thanks |
| 02:56.47 | Slurpee` | azar, thanx for your help |
| 02:56.55 | Azar | Slurpee, did it worked? |
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| 02:57.01 | Muffie | blockd : Probably hes looking for warez! |
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| 02:57.26 | stew | it would be so great to have non-schilly cdrecording code |
| 02:57.35 | sifi-x | blockd, Etch beta 1 is newly installed, and I dont get cdrecord to work with it, well I think I get help with this one sooner or later |
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| 02:57.49 | sifi-x | blockd, thx for your support anyway |
| 02:58.07 | stew | sifi-x: what are you trying to do? |
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| 02:58.38 | sifi-x | stew, burn debian-testing-amd64-binary-1.iso with cdrecord in Etch |
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| 02:59.05 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, i think its a mime prob. I dont even see kwrite associated with text files in the file-type properties. |
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| 02:59.34 | stew | sifi-x: and what error are you getting? |
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| 03:00.08 | Slurpee` | azar, i have no clue |
| 03:00.08 | SerajewelKS | z36ra: got libkmime2 installed? |
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| 03:00.36 | CraZy675 | I was trying to get freenx installed on my machine, but I have screwed up xserver so when I boot all goes blank right when gdm should appear. how can i fix this? |
| 03:00.45 | sifi-x | stew, "cdrecord: No write mode specified." when I execute "cdrecord --dummy -v speed=48 dev=/dev/hdc -data /debian-testing-amd64-binary-1.iso" |
| 03:01.11 | Azar | Slurpee type here /msg dpkg nividia one liner then get the looong line command that it gives you there and apply it at your command line as root on your box |
| 03:01.16 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, libmime1a here. |
| 03:01.18 | z36ra | hmm |
| 03:01.35 | CraZy675 | I've rebooted in recovery mode and have a su prompt |
| 03:01.38 | Azar | Slurpee ofcourse typos are to be avoided |
| 03:01.49 | sifi-x | stew, I have tried this both as the superuser and as a regular |
| 03:01.59 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, oops libmimelib1a |
| 03:02.05 | CraZy675 | i've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but that doesn't seem to do anything |
| 03:02.43 | Azar | CraZy675: maybe you need to install x-server? |
| 03:02.51 | stew | oh its just the defalut |
| 03:02.53 | sifi-x | stew, ideas? =) |
| 03:02.57 | CraZy675 | it was working before |
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| 03:03.14 | CraZy675 | but when i rebooted it stopped working |
| 03:03.30 | z36ra | shoot... thats not even a kde mime library! |
| 03:03.38 | Slurpee` | azar, msging dpkg isnt giving me the commadn |
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| 03:03.58 | z36ra | oh yeah it is |
| 03:03.59 | stew | sifi-x: the only thing that looks out of place to me is -data, but after reading the manpage it looks like it would be the default anyway |
| 03:04.01 | Azar | !tell Slurpee nvidia one liner |
| 03:04.22 | stew | sifi-x: have you tried speifying -tao or -sao? |
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| 03:04.29 | Slurpee` | !tell Slurpee` nvidia one liner |
| 03:04.32 | Slurpee` | that got i ! |
| 03:04.33 | CraZy675 | How can i reconfigure x-server? |
| 03:04.33 | acid-trip | ok i'm back |
| 03:04.34 | sifi-x | stew, true, I have done it without -data as well |
| 03:04.34 | acid-trip | i'm sorry |
| 03:04.40 | acid-trip | i'm stupid at this shit |
| 03:04.49 | Slurpee` | !tell Slurpee` nvidia oneliner |
| 03:04.55 | Slurpee` | <dpkg> No, slurpee`, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 03:04.57 | z36ra | SerajewelKS, man I like the way kde works when it's working but man when it is broke... life sux. |
| 03:05.03 | sifi-x | stew, nope it say "cdrecord: Asuming -tao mode." |
| 03:05.06 | Slurpee` | i had no problem getting the commadn the other day |
| 03:05.08 | Azar | !nvidia one liner |
| 03:05.08 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 03:05.18 | acid-trip | i need help removing an ati driver i installed |
| 03:05.21 | sifi-x | stew, and the final line "cdrecord: Future versions of cdrecord may have different drive dependent defaults." |
| 03:06.01 | Slurpee` | azar, now i get the x configure stuff |
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| 03:06.12 | Slurpee` | should i use nv or nvidia ? |
| 03:06.16 | Azar | Slurpee sure you get it |
| 03:06.44 | sifi-x | stew, this really odd, it worked perfect in sarge |
| 03:06.58 | acid-trip | is there an option for alien to remove a package? |
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| 03:07.13 | z36ra | kinna ticks you off when the official debian cd is broke from the stable version... when the goal is to knock MS off it's damn perch. |
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| 03:07.21 | Azar | You need to know the exact name of you nvidia card like "GeForce blablabla", your monitor name, the desired resolution say 1024x768, the additional resolutions: 800x600. |
| 03:07.23 | sifi-x | Slurpee`, nvidia if you have the nvidia driver in place |
| 03:07.25 | stew | i rarely burn CDs, when i do, its simply cdrecord speed=2 dev=/dev/hdc /path/to/iso |
| 03:07.26 | acid-trip | !tell acid-trip alien |
| 03:07.34 | Muffie | I have performed an apt-get install kde 5 minutes ago. Pointing to stable. Kde continues at 3.4? |
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| 03:07.38 | stew | with a possible blank=fast |
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| 03:07.48 | Slurpee` | sifi, how do i put the driver in place ? |
| 03:07.53 | stew | Muffie: kde is 3.3 in stable, not 3.4 |
| 03:08.02 | sifi-x | stew, blank=fast, whats that for |
| 03:08.05 | Muffie | stew, unstable i mean |
| 03:08.08 | fando | hey I just updated to gnome 2.12.2 from around 2.8 and it's sluggish when redrawing windows |
| 03:08.08 | Azar | Slurpee your driver will be "nv" |
| 03:08.12 | stew | sifi-x: if its a cdrw |
| 03:08.16 | stew | Muffie: 3.5 then |
| 03:08.18 | fando | what happened to gnome in unstable? |
| 03:08.20 | sifi-x | stew, ah |
| 03:08.23 | Muffie | stew, strange |
| 03:08.27 | Azar | Slurpee use the space bar, and tab keys |
| 03:08.37 | z36ra | aight, later guys... I gotta fix this KDE 3.3 that stew said is stable... hehe |
| 03:09.06 | Muffie | stew, My sources.list is pointing to unstable. I have performed apt-get install kde, and I continue with kde 3.4 (at least the splash screen tells me that) |
| 03:09.15 | Azar | sifi-x: in Sarge with 2.6.8 kernel there is no "nvidia' only "nv" for xfree86 |
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| 03:09.28 | acid-trip | stew: can u help me get rid of the ati drivers i installed? |
| 03:09.30 | CraZy675 | When I boot up and get to the GDM my screen goes blank, how do I re-configure xserver or fix this problem? |
| 03:09.37 | Slurpee` | azar, ive never known the bus ID |
| 03:09.43 | Slurpee` | ive always left that blank |
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| 03:09.47 | Azar | Slurpee, you do not need to |
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| 03:10.00 | Azar | Slurpee just press enter to skip the system will figure it out |
| 03:10.01 | Muffie | How can I check which Xorg version I am using? |
| 03:10.03 | stew | acid-trip: not me, i've never tried closed source drivers on lines |
| 03:10.04 | stew | linux |
| 03:10.06 | stew | shees |
| 03:10.09 | gravity | Muffie: X -version |
| 03:10.17 | sifi-x | Azar, I assumed that h3 had the nvidia drivers in place |
| 03:10.29 | acid-trip | stew: do u know of a way to remove it? |
| 03:10.46 | Azar | sifi-x: no on a normal install with base and a precompiled kernel and a xfree86 is only "nv" |
| 03:10.47 | stew | Muffie: what does "apt-cache policy kdelibs" show for Candidate? |
| 03:11.02 | sifi-x | Azar, I know =) |
| 03:11.06 | Slurpee` | azar, what resolution shall i pick ? something low to make sure it works ? |
| 03:11.22 | Muffie | stew : Candidate: 4:3.5.0-3 |
| 03:11.25 | Azar | Slurpee the "desired" one Id say 1024x768 |
| 03:11.28 | stew | acid-trip: "dpkg -r packagename" to remove packages, i don't know what you did however |
| 03:11.34 | stew | Muffie: looks like 3.5 to me |
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| 03:11.38 | Azar | Slurpee any additional ones 800x600 |
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| 03:11.57 | Muffie | stew, yes, but It shows this line too: Installed: 4:3.4.3-2 |
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| 03:12.23 | stew | Muffie: which means you don't have the latest available installed |
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| 03:13.04 | Muffie | stew : Great! But how can I install 3.5? I have my sources.list pointing to unstable and I have already performed a apt-get install kde |
| 03:13.09 | Slurpee` | Select the XFree86 server modules that should be loaded by default. |
| 03:13.34 | Azar | Slurpee if you see most of them already checked only the last one unchecked leave as is |
| 03:13.39 | Muffie | i have just find out that my XORG version was not installed either. Even with a apt-get install X11-common |
| 03:13.51 | acid-trip | thank you so much stew |
| 03:13.51 | Azar | Slurpee all from top down should be checked but only the last one not |
| 03:14.19 | vinay | my svn repos dont work on deb. :( |
| 03:14.27 | vinay | svn: bdb: Program version 4.3 doesn't match environment version |
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| 03:14.39 | Slurpee` | exists, not rebuilding! |
| 03:14.40 | Slurpee` | Version 1.0.8178-1+2.6.8-16sarge1 of nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2-k7 already installed, skipping. |
| 03:14.49 | terr | is there a gui info browser? |
| 03:15.03 | stew | Muffie: its likely that the kde metapackage (which depends on tons and tons of stuff) isn't yet upgradable because not all of its dependencies have yet been recompiled, you can "apt-get install kdelibs" to force the upgrade which may want to remove parts of kde that haven't yet been transitioned |
| 03:15.08 | Guerin | Muffie: if you don't know how to use apt, why are you trying to run unstable? |
| 03:15.15 | Azar | Slurpee when you done do not go, I need to tell you something |
| 03:15.28 | Slurpee` | im here ... |
| 03:15.44 | Azar | Slurpee you are done? |
| 03:15.55 | Muffie | Guerin : both things were dependent? Only experts in apt should install unstable? Can I test some new stuff? |
| 03:16.03 | Muffie | thanks stew |
| 03:16.12 | acid-trip | stew when you look in gnome under package manager how do you select everything |
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| 03:16.42 | stew | acid-trip: dunno, i don't use any gnome stuff |
| 03:16.47 | acid-trip | aiight |
| 03:16.51 | acid-trip | thanks anyways stew |
| 03:16.51 | Slurpee` | yea i did everything i said and i got ... |
| 03:16.54 | Slurpee` | exists, not rebuilding! |
| 03:16.54 | Slurpee` | Version 1.0.8178-1+2.6.8-16sarge1 of nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2-k7 already installed, skipping. |
| 03:17.02 | Guerin | Muffie: yes. Only apt experts should use unstable. You're free to experimkent and install what you like, but if you're totally reliant on #debian to bail you out of problems, people are likely to just tell you to use sarge. |
| 03:17.08 | Guerin | as I'm doing now. |
| 03:17.13 | Azar | Slurpee then you should be ok now |
| 03:18.18 | terr | Emacs has cookies too |
| 03:18.25 | Slurpee` | well i can test it when i get home ... |
| 03:18.28 | Muffie | Guerin : Im not sure if I agree with you on that... I always like to try new software and some of the problems I cant solve using google, man and etc... I try to ask here. I'll be glad to help someone on something Im good at. |
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| 03:18.37 | Azar | I want you to save this url and study it ok? http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 03:18.38 | Slurpee` | but how do i configure my tv card ? happenhaguene pvr-150 ? |
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| 03:19.10 | Azar | Slurpee that about tv I do not know, I only showed you how to make your nvidia card work |
| 03:19.45 | Azar | I only do computing not TV on my Pc |
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| 03:20.50 | sifi-x | the nvidia one liner does not work in Etch! |
| 03:20.56 | CraZy675 | my screen goes blank when I boot (it is not blank before gdm starts) how can i fix this? |
| 03:20.58 | sifi-x | not for me anyway |
| 03:21.36 | devicenull | can iwconfig commands be put in interfaces |
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| 03:22.16 | stew | devicenull: yes, man wireless |
| 03:22.30 | CraZy675 | can I run xserver setup somehow? will that fix my problem? |
| 03:22.31 | sifi-x | how do I install the nvidia drivers for Etch? |
| 03:22.33 | devicenull | ah, I was looking at man interfaces and iwconfig |
| 03:22.54 | stew | devicenull: its also in interfaces(5) |
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| 03:23.19 | Slurpee` | anybody have any ideas on how to setup a tv card in debian ? |
| 03:23.35 | stew | Slurpee`: can you be more specific? |
| 03:23.42 | Slurpee` | WinTV-PVR-150 |
| 03:23.45 | Guerin | Muffie: good. So why are you asking us how to resolve elementary packaging problems? My point is not that you shouldn't try new stuff; my point is that you should try things which you are realistically able to solve on your own. Walk before you try to run. |
| 03:23.55 | Guerin | KDE on unstable is *definitely* running. |
| 03:24.51 | stew | Slurpee`: i *think* that is supported by ivtvdriver.org, look there and see, if so, download 0.4.1, install headers for your kernel and make ;make install, you will also need to get firmware into /lib/firmware, look at the docs on ivtvdriver.org |
| 03:25.52 | nima | how can i get privoxy to not do the "domain could not be resolved" thing, this prevents me from searching from firefox's address bar |
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| 03:26.19 | stew | Slurpee`: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 03:26.35 | Muffie | Guerin : thanks for the advice. Let me know if one of my questions will bother you again, ok? I'll try to concentrate my questions on private conversations |
| 03:26.46 | Slurpee` | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 03:27.04 | Muffie | my elementary questions... |
| 03:27.09 | CraZy675 | what is the x-configure command in debian? |
| 03:27.21 | Guerin | Muffie: just concentrate on learning how to use the tools you're provided with. |
| 03:27.25 | Guerin | !drxx CraZy675 |
| 03:27.25 | dpkg | CraZy675: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:27.27 | kjoonlee | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 03:27.57 | nima | privoxy+tor=awesome |
| 03:27.59 | CraZy675 | dpkg: great thanks |
| 03:28.07 | Slurpee` | stew, my card is supported by ivtv |
| 03:28.12 | stew | Slurpee`: "apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" will get you the headers you need, but beware, i've found that it tends to erroneously install the ivtv drivers into /lib/modules/2.6.8/ivtv instead of /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/ivtv, you might have to move then by hand and run depmod -a |
| 03:28.18 | Muffie | Guerin [.] |
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| 03:28.31 | CraZy675 | which is better xfree86 or xorg? |
| 03:28.41 | stew | Slurpee`: and you should check if the drivers work with 2.6.8 or if you need a newer kernel |
| 03:28.43 | CraZy675 | now that i'm configuring it which should i choose? |
| 03:29.15 | y | is the stock kernels that comes with Etch speaking kernels or just full as kernel-image on apt?? |
| 03:29.16 | thetallcoolone | how do I verify what deamons are running? |
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| 03:30.10 | Slurpee` | i dont need to update the apt sources ? |
| 03:30.54 | jsi | Hi, I'm having a problem with my system. I recently had a power outage, and my machine wouldn't come back on. It panicks because it can't find the root filesystem driver (xfs) because the xfs driver is compiled as a module in the default kernel image. |
| 03:30.59 | sifi-x | is the kernel that comes with Etch full or not? |
| 03:31.18 | jsi | I don't understand how it could boot before if xfs is a module anyway. |
| 03:31.34 | jsi | Did the kernel that comes with etch move xfs to a module recently or something? |
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| 03:31.55 | stew | sifi-x: full i guess, what are you wondering about specifically? |
| 03:32.13 | stew | jsi: it has always been a module, like every other filesystem it supoorts |
| 03:32.16 | jsi | (kernel version 2.4.27-12, i386) |
| 03:32.38 | jsi | stew: does the initrd handle that? |
| 03:32.39 | CraZy675 | what is Linux NET4.0? and why does it take forever to load? |
| 03:32.49 | sifi-x | stew, the nvidia one liner didn't work in Etch so I wondered if the builtin kernel was missing something |
| 03:33.01 | CraZy675 | oh its apple talk |
| 03:33.18 | stew | jsi: i'm not sure, i think it should, if not, you can explictly say so in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf afaik |
| 03:33.34 | jsi | CraZy675: Linux NET is what handles networking in Linux, including appletalk if you have that enabled |
| 03:33.48 | jsi | stew: So if I just reinstall kernel-image it might fix it? |
| 03:34.17 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: looks nice... it just won't be shipping for a long time. |
| 03:34.18 | abrotman | stew: is it you against the short bus crew? |
| 03:34.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that was a decently long thread? |
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| 03:34.40 | abrotman | err .. damn .. no ? |
| 03:34.57 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: and it doesn't seem finished |
| 03:35.02 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's not |
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| 03:35.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's basically the discussion of what went wrong and the various solutions and problems with the solutions |
| 03:35.21 | foo | Can I debian off my usb key? |
| 03:35.28 | dondelelcaro | foo: boot debian? yes. |
| 03:35.43 | foo | dondelelcaro: Hola. Hmm, can you link me to this? |
| 03:35.45 | abrotman | !usb-install |
| 03:35.46 | dpkg | usb-install is, like, Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 03:35.48 | foo | abrotman: Thanks |
| 03:35.55 | Guerin | Muffie: what is [.] supposed to mean? |
| 03:36.09 | foo | Hmm, I don't know if any of my systems can boot from a usb key. heh. Worth a shot, I suppose. |
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| 03:37.05 | CraZy675 | what X.org server modules should be loaded by default? do I star them all or only a few? |
| 03:37.06 | stew | wierd, irssi seems to lock up on me for about 60 second clips |
| 03:37.30 | stew | usually when something locks up for 60 seconds, it doesn't come back, but irssi always does |
| 03:37.43 | stew | whenever i strace it, it doesn't seem to be doing anything odd |
| 03:38.42 | stew | CraZy675: /msg dpkg widhe |
| 03:39.13 | CraZy675 | thnx |
| 03:39.30 | CraZy675 | lol |
| 03:39.41 | buu | Which package has ab? |
| 03:40.16 | abrotman | buu: apache1 or apache2? |
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| 03:40.34 | buu | really? |
| 03:40.40 | abrotman | i'm asking you :) |
| 03:40.50 | buu | abrotman: Then let me rephrase. It matters? |
| 03:41.00 | buu | Apache1 though. |
| 03:41.23 | abrotman | well .. in etch it doesn't .. it's apache2-utils .. not sure about sarge |
| 03:41.42 | abrotman | !find bin/ab sarge |
| 03:41.50 | dondelelcaro | buu: no reason not to install apache2-utils |
| 03:41.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ab' (8 of 11): (/usr/bin/abook) in mail/abook ;; (/usr/bin/abcde) in sound/abcde ;; (/usr/bin/abc2ps) in text/abc2ps ;; (/usr/bin/abc2ly) in tex/lilypond ;; (/usr/bin/abcm2ps) in text/abcm2ps ;; (/usr/bin/abicheck) in libs/abicheck ;; (/usr/bin/abcmidi-yaps) in sound/abcmidi-yaps ;; (/usr/sbin/{ab|ab2}) in net/apache2-utils. |
| 03:42.04 | buu | Ohhh |
| 03:42.10 | buu | It's in sbin |
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| 03:42.14 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 03:42.20 | stew | apache-utiles depends on apache2-utiles in sarge |
| 03:42.20 | buu | So my regular user can't see it |
| 03:42.23 | CraZy675 | blast, still no GUI |
| 03:42.32 | abrotman | buu: nope .. but they can probably run it |
| 03:42.40 | sparr | i found a free program for windows called Diko that converts movie files into dvd images, is there any simple analog to that in linux? |
| 03:42.44 | kspath | CRAP! 800 USD for 1 Myrinet interface! |
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| 03:43.05 | abrotman | kspath: they're not cheap .. maybe you should use infiniband :) |
| 03:44.43 | CraZy675 | ok i've run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and I still get a blank screen where my gdm should be, what step do I take next? |
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| 03:49.04 | Aid` | I am having xine issues I select DVD (.vob files) I could play DVD fine before but then I think i installed VMWARE which messed it up. Now when i play the movie it shows the audio, but not the picture. The window that has the picture is all encoded and multi-colored. Got any ideas on why? |
| 03:49.08 | kspath | abrotman: InfiniBand's cost per port around $100? |
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| 03:49.43 | abrotman | kspath: it's cheaper |
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| 03:50.38 | thetallcoolone | When I run fuser -n tcp 21, I get 21/tcp: 5068. Can someone tell me what exactly I'm looking at here? |
| 03:50.47 | kspath | abrotman: in terms of testing things would it be that much better than just using regular GigE? |
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| 03:51.07 | Aid` | deuce868, do you livne in the upper penninsula |
| 03:51.10 | abrotman | kspath: depends on the usage don't you think ? |
| 03:51.20 | abrotman | Aid`: there's nothing up there but pasties |
| 03:51.20 | deuce868 | no |
| 03:51.25 | deuce868 | lower |
| 03:51.28 | kspath | abrotman: I knew you would say that ;-) |
| 03:51.39 | Aid` | kspath, where do you live |
| 03:51.40 | abrotman | kspath: about the pasties ? |
| 03:51.58 | abrotman | Aid`: do you like pasties?! |
| 03:52.04 | Aid` | yeah |
| 03:52.06 | kspath | abrotman: pasties? |
| 03:52.11 | Aid` | abrotman, where do you live |
| 03:52.15 | Aid` | kspath, meat patties |
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| 03:52.24 | kspath | Aid`: earth |
| 03:52.28 | kspath | mostly |
| 03:52.28 | abrotman | kspath: flaky crust .. filled with various things |
| 03:52.34 | Aid` | abrotman, do you live in up |
| 03:52.35 | Guerin | pastie != pattie |
| 03:52.40 | deuce868 | I never heard of pasties either until just a while ago |
| 03:52.41 | abrotman | Aid`: my family is in the UP |
| 03:52.43 | abrotman | err .. |
| 03:52.43 | deuce868 | seems to be a MI thing |
| 03:52.49 | abrotman | Aid`: they're buried :) |
| 03:52.51 | Aid` | whatever Guerin i mistyped something |
| 03:52.54 | abrotman | wait .. this isn't coming out right |
| 03:52.55 | blockd | thetallcoolone: I'm guessing a PID. If you want to know what the program is, try ps -p 5068 |
| 03:52.58 | Aid` | mis thought something |
| 03:53.09 | abrotman | Aid`: my dead family members from my mom's side are buried in the UP |
| 03:53.14 | Aid` | im in up |
| 03:53.17 | Aid` | wheredid they live |
| 03:53.19 | thetallcoolone | blockd: thanks |
| 03:53.24 | abrotman | Aid`: hurley |
| 03:53.28 | CraZy675 | my screen goes black when GDM is supposed to appear, how do I fix this? |
| 03:53.33 | Aid` | is that the east west? northern? |
| 03:53.41 | abrotman | kspath: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_pasty |
| 03:53.42 | Guerin | CraZy675: cchoose a resolution your computer can handle |
| 03:53.44 | blockd | thetallcoolone: or use netstat for that. Something like "netstat -a --inet -p" |
| 03:53.45 | abrotman | Aid`: border of WI |
| 03:53.49 | Guerin | !drxx CraZy675 |
| 03:53.49 | dpkg | CraZy675: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:53.52 | Aid` | by iron river? |
| 03:53.58 | abrotman | iron mountain ? |
| 03:54.03 | Aid` | wtf |
| 03:54.05 | Aid` | hurley |
| 03:54.07 | abrotman | hurley! |
| 03:54.08 | blockd | thetallcoolone: the -p being mainly important in netstat for that |
| 03:54.09 | Aid` | i never heard of that |
| 03:54.14 | Aid` | lol im from IM |
| 03:54.37 | abrotman | Aid`: it's Hurley, WI and Ironwood, MI |
| 03:54.42 | abrotman | Aid`: they're a big mash of town |
| 03:54.48 | Aid` | iron wood |
| 03:54.54 | Aid` | im from iron MOUNTAIN |
| 03:55.02 | CraZy675 | i've done dpkg-reconfigure, and get the same result |
| 03:55.11 | abrotman | i just told you where they're from |
| 03:55.18 | thetallcoolone | blockd: that's cool. the 5068 IS the PID of proftpd. I'm trying to figure out how to make it work. very frustrating. |
| 03:55.25 | kspath | abrotman: a lot of cultures have that kind of pie with meat but I guess the design/shape/spices/etc is what makes it cornish |
| 03:55.36 | abrotman | kspath: yeah .. kind of corny |
| 03:55.55 | blockd | thetallcoolone: ok, just in the mean time you probably shouldn't have it exposed to the Internet then. Just to be on the safe side. |
| 03:55.57 | abrotman | kspath: they're actually VERY good |
| 03:56.02 | abrotman | well . i think so anyways |
| 03:56.08 | abrotman | though .. i'd still rather have brats :) |
| 03:56.24 | Aid` | i love pasties |
| 03:56.25 | Aid` | (L) |
| 03:56.39 | blockd | thetallcoolone: not saying it is, but saying it just the same |
| 03:56.48 | kspath | abrotman: lol I have never had one officially called that though I have eaten things from various cultures like that |
| 03:57.12 | abrotman | kspath: i think i can find you a place to order them :) |
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| 03:57.53 | abrotman | kspath: http://www.ilovepasties.com/ .. i think that's it |
| 03:57.58 | brianski | alo - can you do software raid5 on debian? |
| 03:58.01 | thetallcoolone | blockd: I don't think there's a problem, I cannot connect. the FTP client tells me there's no server available. I've been at it for 2 days and I just can't figure this damn thing out |
| 03:59.25 | bipolar | can someone please explain to me how to create an extended partion with fdisk? can there be only one on a hard drive? |
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| 04:01.25 | karsten | bipolar: You can have multiple extended partitions. You really only need to do one. |
| 04:01.44 | jedd | i'm setting up a debian box with three NIC's as a router. if ip_forward is set to (1), is that sufficient? I only want to route between two segments (directly attached via a NIC each). 10.1.1.0/24 and 10.1.4.0/24 .. however, I can't ping from a host on one segment to a host on the other, even though default route is set on the client boxes. will /proc/sys/.../ip_forward exist if that feature's not available? an |
| 04:01.44 | jedd | -image (2.6.8)? |
| 04:02.06 | karsten | bipolar: You need to have a primary partition available, and space. So no more than 3 existing primary partitions, and sufficient space to create whatever size extended partition. |
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| 04:03.14 | abrotman | karsten: it's not until you deal with extended partitions that you realize .. PCs suck :) |
| 04:03.20 | karsten | bipolar: Other than that, 'n' to create a partition, select 'e', and the size of the extended partition. |
| 04:03.32 | karsten | abrotman: ... and if you're lucky, they suck well. |
| 04:03.45 | jedd | of course, there's rarely a good excuse to use an extended partition .. IMHO |
| 04:03.57 | abrotman | karsten: hehe |
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| 04:04.40 | karsten | jedd: Well, needing more than four partitions might do it. |
| 04:05.19 | jedd | okay, how about this. from 10.1.1.100 i can ping 10.1.4.1 (local interface on debian router) - and on 10.1.4.100 i can ping 10.1.1.1 -- but i can't ping from 10.1.1.100 to 10.1.4.100 or vice versa. any ideas where i can start to look for the problem here .. ? i'm sure this has Simply Worked when I've done this before. |
| 04:05.28 | karsten | jedd: LVM's got it's upsides, but it's a pain in other ways. Like moving / adding disks, particularly between systems. Partitions, logical or otherwise, are always uniquely named on a system. |
| 04:05.37 | karsten | jedd: Routing. |
| 04:05.41 | jedd | karsten: that's my point -- it's rare that you need > 4 partitions on a given hdd. i don't have any systems, for example, where i've needed to do that. |
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| 04:06.21 | karsten | jedd: You may not _need_ it, but it can be damned useful to have 'em. |
| 04:06.24 | jedd | karsten: of course .. and i only recently set up an 800gb md on my server at home -- now i'm panicking about the dangers of adding a fifth drive to the fray .. |
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| 04:07.19 | brianski | jedd - does md let you do raid 5 ? |
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| 04:07.26 | jedd | karsten: routing - yes -- was that a hint? routing howto? (already looked thru snippets of it -- i don't want ospf, bgp, etc -- it's simple static route stuff since it's only going to segments that are directly attached to the router .. it really should Just Work |
| 04:07.38 | bipolar | karsten: thats the thing. I have 3 primary partiions and a lot of unalocated space. I hit n, then it doesn't give me e as an option. just l and p |
| 04:08.03 | jedd | brianski: yup -- i've got it running across 4 x 300gb drives at the moment, with RAID5 -- works like a dream. performance ain't *too* hot but that's no doubt in part because i have some drives o nshared IDE buses. |
| 04:08.20 | brianski | jedd - ewwww shared pata? |
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| 04:08.27 | brianski | that's good to know tho |
| 04:08.59 | brianski | i have a freebsd server with 4x250G drives, but it's stuck running a relatively old version b/c the braindead developers decided to break software raid for the past 2 years |
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| 04:09.05 | brianski | thinking about migrating |
| 04:09.08 | jedd | brianski: it's my /pub fs, so it's primarily read only, and occasionally mv's and adds into it - given it's music and video files, it's plenty fast enough to 'stream' from on my local net at home. |
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| 04:09.22 | brianski | jedd - yeah that's basically my usage pattern too |
| 04:09.46 | jedd | brianski: certainly, there seems to be a few varieties of raid to choose from .. well, packages that wrap around it. some have more support than others. i went down the /etc/raidconf path. |
| 04:09.54 | Bleeter | I'm preparing migration from FC4 to Sarge. What'd be the best way of creating a mirror of the install packages on my FC4 server for my testing machine to play with? |
| 04:10.04 | brianski | does md care too much about what sorts of drives you use? |
| 04:10.11 | brianski | for example, i've got 2xSATA drives, and 2xPATA drives |
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| 04:10.32 | brianski | the PATA drives are identical, but the SATA ones have slightly different revisions and capacities (and the PATA drives a third different capacity) |
| 04:10.42 | mfrisch | brianski: donot think so... |
| 04:10.42 | brianski | can md deal with that? can you tell it only use X-1 GB of space? |
| 04:10.51 | jedd | brianski: i've not heard of any disasters with it, but even so, i went and bought a fifth HDD that perfectly matches the existing 4 in there .. rather than go for a bigger hard disk and try to add in a 300gb partition (existing MD components are entire drives .. eg /dev/hde, hdf, etc - rather than partitions within same) |
| 04:11.14 | brianski | jedd - you don't have to use entire drives, that's just your config, right? |
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| 04:11.31 | mfrisch | brianski: your raidtab just needs to reflect the drives |
| 04:11.49 | brianski | cool maybe i'll put debian on this beast after all |
| 04:11.57 | jedd | brianski: the way raid5 works is that it'll reduce the space used to match the smallest drive you're putting in the array. no idea what happens when you add a smaller drive to an existing array of larger drives. I'd guess it'd either complain and not let you do it, or it'd reduce the usage of the MD volumes on the existing drives down to match the size of the new smallest drive. |
| 04:12.07 | brianski | mfrisch/jedd - gotta pointer for md/software raid setup on linux? |
| 04:12.29 | brianski | in particular raid 5 |
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| 04:12.36 | karsten | bipolar: Odd. |
| 04:12.37 | jedd | brianski: absolutely .. you can use partitions easily enough, it's just that i didn't at the time i set it up. i was adding drives to a system that was already full of existing volumes, and wanted to make it simple .. ish. |
| 04:12.52 | karsten | bipolar: Any other extended partitions? |
| 04:13.10 | brianski | s/pointer/pointer to a HOWTO or what have you/ |
| 04:13.27 | brianski | apt, shut it |
| 04:13.30 | brianski | :) |
| 04:13.43 | terr | I thought in a computer literate channel such as this that someone might be able to offer some advice ona calculator or little personal digital ass that will do what a calculator does. My HP 32s crapped out when I spilt a glass of wine on it. |
| 04:13.58 | bipolar | karsten: just one. I'm removing it to see if my options change |
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| 04:14.03 | jedd | terr: kcalc runs on kde which runs on debian. |
| 04:14.07 | terr | You could say I was trying to install wine. |
| 04:14.18 | britt | what is the easiest mp3 console program for tunez to work with? |
| 04:14.19 | karsten | bipolar: Ah. Only one extended. |
| 04:14.28 | terr | jedd I just use python usually - but I like rpn and I need base conversion |
| 04:14.30 | britt | by easiest i mean least headaches to install and config |
| 04:14.45 | bipolar | karsten: ok. that explains it. I probbly knew that at one time... :P |
| 04:15.09 | jedd | brianski: google on 'raidtab' .. and you'll be able to backtrace from the references, i'm sure. there's LVM2 which is more powerful and integrates a bunch of stuff - it's meant (from memory) to give a more seamless UI ... and also is backwards compatible with the various MD systems or approaches out there. |
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| 04:15.30 | terr | does anyone knwo what the max blocksize is for mt setblk? |
| 04:15.37 | bipolar | karsten: yep. thats it. thanks! :) |
| 04:15.50 | brianski | jedd - thx |
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| 04:17.23 | mzilikazi | anyone familiar w/ making backups of ps2 games? |
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| 04:17.49 | F-Lelo | Hi all... Did anyone here did some work on survivability in distributed systems enviroment? |
| 04:18.13 | kspath | like 1 meter drop of nodes? |
| 04:19.15 | britt | mzilikazi: can it even be done? |
| 04:19.35 | britt | i know xbox can be done. i've witnessed it in person before. |
| 04:19.41 | mzilikazi | britt: apparently > http://www.megagames.com/psx/psx_copy_patch_linux.shtml |
| 04:19.54 | mike__ | i know someone who does it, just dont know how |
| 04:19.57 | mzilikazi | but the how to is incomplete |
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| 04:20.10 | britt | can somebody help me out with tunez. |
| 04:20.28 | britt | mzilikazi: PSX != PS2 |
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| 04:22.21 | Vlat | Good morning |
| 04:22.26 | mike__ | good evening |
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| 04:24.44 | SperMite | is this correct? apt-get install x-system-window ? |
| 04:24.59 | mike__ | x-window-system |
| 04:25.20 | SperMite | is there a better way then doing that? |
| 04:25.36 | mike__ | what do you mean? |
| 04:25.54 | mike__ | are you on stable or unstable? |
| 04:26.03 | SperMite | stable |
| 04:26.33 | mike__ | thats how i do it. |
| 04:26.45 | mike__ | you also need a windows manager |
| 04:26.48 | mike__ | you know? |
| 04:27.11 | SperMite | so then do, apt-get install kdm? |
| 04:27.28 | mike__ | kde you mean, but yes. |
| 04:27.34 | mike__ | kdm is the login manager |
| 04:27.53 | mike__ | kde is the desktop gui |
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| 04:28.33 | Web-kanotix930 | hello |
| 04:28.35 | mike__ | hi |
| 04:28.49 | mike__ | spermite, you can put them on the same line: apt-get install x-window-system kde |
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| 04:29.09 | SperMite | mike__ thing is im installing sarge, and its got all them old sources, how am i gonna get it to update to newer versions? |
| 04:29.14 | mike__ | doing just an apt-get install kde "should" also know enough to install x-winow-system, but i have issues with that |
| 04:29.25 | Web-kanotix930 | which is more stable at this point in time.... (this is going to seem dumb) would you say that either sid or etch? |
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| 04:29.41 | mike__ | etch is supposed to be. |
| 04:29.53 | mike__ | what do you mean those "old sources"? |
| 04:30.13 | mike__ | apt-cache show kde will tell you which version of kde it will install. |
| 04:30.38 | mike__ | you should not mix and match stable sarge with unstable kde versions |
| 04:30.50 | Web-kanotix930 | etch is fine... but i want kde3.5... lol |
| 04:31.01 | bipolar | can xen guest see all the partions on the host? how to guests access swap partions? |
| 04:31.02 | SperMite | its got kde 3.3 showing |
| 04:31.03 | Web-kanotix930 | how many people in here run sid? |
| 04:31.12 | bipolar | opps, wrong channel |
| 04:31.15 | mike__ | then that is what you will get on stable |
| 04:31.22 | mike__ | i run unstable and kde 3.5 just fine. |
| 04:31.32 | SimonRaven | etch has 3.4. sid has 3.5. i wouldn't run sid just because you want kde 3.5 |
| 04:31.40 | SimonRaven | that's just dumb |
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| 04:32.06 | SperMite | i haven't installed anything yet, how do i switch it to etch? |
| 04:32.10 | Web-kanotix930 | no probs eh?... cool... i'm currently running kanotix.. which is based on sid (supposedly) and it works pretty well... just a few annoyances |
| 04:32.24 | mike__ | change /etc/apt/source.list to say testing instaed of stable |
| 04:32.29 | SperMite | ok |
| 04:32.39 | Web-kanotix930 | you could just change the sources over... install apt - listbugs and cross your fingers on a dist-upgrade.... |
| 04:32.40 | Web-kanotix930 | lol |
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| 04:33.00 | mike__ | spermite, also run apt-get update after you change apt/sources.list |
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| 04:33.11 | Bleeter | I'm preparing migration from FC4 to Sarge. What'd be the best way of creating a mirror of the install packages on my FC4 server for my testing machine to play with? |
| 04:33.33 | Tenkawa | Is there any convenient way to recreate /var/lib/dpkg/info? |
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| 04:34.01 | mike__ | i dont understand your need bleeter...just want to genereate a list of whats installed? |
| 04:34.16 | mfrisch | Bleeter: there is a deb mirror tool. I forget the name |
| 04:35.19 | Tenkawa | mike__: basicly I got fs corruption and it did major damage to that area |
| 04:35.23 | Web-kanotix930 | not to confuse you or anything... but if you want more up to date stuff i would recommend etch or sid... |
| 04:35.24 | Tenkawa | oops |
| 04:35.30 | Tenkawa | you were talking to bleeter |
| 04:35.59 | SperMite | Web-kanotix930 are you running etch? |
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| 04:36.50 | SperMite | I want up todate stuff. i just dont want everything to be buggy. if you know what i mean |
| 04:37.23 | bucky | SperMite: <Web-kanotix930> no probs eh?... cool... i'm currently running kanotix.. |
| 04:37.25 | mike__ | do you have the security.debian.org in your apt list? |
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| 04:37.42 | mike__ | i run unstable and have no problems to note |
| 04:37.51 | mike__ | so i would guess etch is pretty tight. |
| 04:37.51 | ootput | besides frequent updates |
| 04:38.16 | Web-kanotix930 | SperMite: kanotix is based on sid |
| 04:38.22 | ootput | prior to testing-security, i would've suggested either of the extremes |
| 04:38.24 | SperMite | bucky oh hey man, im finally installing debian on my gentoos partiton. i think we talked the other night about this |
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| 04:39.09 | bucky | excellent |
| 04:39.49 | Web-kanotix930 | SperMite: i dl'd a gentoo cd and it was telling me to look up documentation on the cd for how to install it... and i was like why... it should do all this for me... is there an install cd for gentoo that does just that |
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| 04:40.23 | mike__ | gentoo install is unique |
| 04:40.36 | mike__ | its like a livecd that doesn't do anything but install itself |
| 04:40.40 | Web-kanotix930 | i mean... i could do all that but why... |
| 04:41.07 | mrx | hi, i was thinking of downloading linux, but there were so many different versions. I got a normal 32 bit amd cpu, what package should i download? |
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| 04:41.20 | Web-kanotix930 | leave the option there... but what about people who just want to install gentoo easily and take advantage of portage and chflags |
| 04:41.22 | myren | what command line program can i use to resize a picture? |
| 04:41.25 | mike__ | well, being in the debian irc, i say debian |
| 04:41.29 | Bleeter | mike__: I want to set up a debian package mirror on my FC4 box, so I can commence migrating everything locally, without having to d/l the packages on the first install, moving them elsewhere and using tools over an NFS mount to prepare the .. um, whatever it's called for apt (deb storage area) |
| 04:41.31 | bucky | !tell mrx about d-i |
| 04:41.33 | mike__ | convert? i think |
| 04:41.48 | bucky | mrx get the netinstall iso for i386 |
| 04:41.49 | mike__ | oh, dug...i get it. |
| 04:41.54 | mike__ | *duh |
| 04:42.21 | Web-kanotix930 | mrx: there are many distributions but i would recommend downloading the latest debian or debian based distro such as kanotix |
| 04:42.25 | mike__ | sorry, never done that bleeter. |
| 04:42.37 | mike__ | mrx: ubuntu is also very popular. |
| 04:42.40 | bucky | Web-kanotix930: maybe you should join #kanotix |
| 04:42.48 | mrx | well i am a totally linux noob |
| 04:42.52 | mike__ | mrx: debian based but nice user freindly |
| 04:43.06 | Web-kanotix930 | i said OR |
| 04:43.12 | Web-kanotix930 | i think |
| 04:43.16 | bucky | !tell Web-kanotix930 about d-i |
| 04:43.36 | Web-kanotix930 | d-i? |
| 04:43.46 | mrx | i was thinking of using the linux as a game server and perhaps a web/fpt server |
| 04:43.46 | bucky | install debian and come back |
| 04:44.10 | Web-kanotix930 | lol... i mean no harm... am i offending you... ? |
| 04:44.11 | mike__ | mrx: thats a great reason to use linux. |
| 04:44.32 | nevyn | mrx: game servers can be tricky |
| 04:44.39 | mike__ | mrx: check your game software for linux support |
| 04:44.47 | nevyn | ftp and web is pretty straightforward. |
| 04:44.58 | mike__ | mrx: server is usually more supported than actually playing the game |
| 04:45.00 | bucky | Web-kanotix930: if you're running debian and have some debian support for people here fine.. if not /j #kanotix |
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| 04:45.15 | Web-kanotix930 | bucky: i have installed debian *yes... straight up debian* i was just telling him something simple to start out with |
| 04:45.20 | mrx | the game is counterstrike, and it supports linux, so that should be ok :) |
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| 04:45.43 | nevyn | mrx: counterstrike doesn't really support linux |
| 04:45.49 | bucky | Web-kanotix930: you're not running debian.. what are you doing here? |
| 04:45.52 | mike__ | from the server side it might. |
| 04:45.54 | nevyn | if they did they'd have a client for linux and a server... |
| 04:46.11 | mrx | yes, but windows load is to high ;) |
| 04:46.21 | Coweater | the server does, but they tend to break linux support every update and then fix it a day later |
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| 04:46.39 | mrx | thats ok, i'm not planning on a public server |
| 04:46.55 | mrx | don't got the broadband for heavy trafic :p |
| 04:47.16 | mike__ | hosting a server for your own games? |
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| 04:47.44 | nevyn | windows load is to high? |
| 04:47.53 | Web-kanotix930 | mike__: why so hostile in here... ? meaning bucky |
| 04:47.55 | bucky | !debian-based |
| 04:47.55 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 04:48.09 | mrx | i make maps for the game, and it requres alot of testing before release, with more people then just me |
| 04:48.12 | mike__ | i dont know....lets all just get along shall we? |
| 04:49.06 | Vlat | mrx: what kind of tests do you need ? |
| 04:49.18 | Web-kanotix930 | mike__: that's what i thought i was doing.... untill someone tried to start something... whatever... lol |
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| 04:50.01 | mrx | gameplay, lag, fps, get ideas for other players etc. Alot of things |
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| 04:50.50 | ootput | Web-kanotix930: it's because there's a higher probability of constructive criticism in the other channel |
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| 04:51.02 | ootput | Web-kanotix930: common sense, really |
| 04:51.21 | phyberoptix | what do i need to add to get debian backports in sources.list ? |
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| 04:51.48 | Web-kanotix930 | ootput... not trying to get help... trying to look at posts and converse |
| 04:52.00 | mike__ | i always forget what backports are |
| 04:52.22 | myren | phyberoptix: at minimum, you need to add to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:52.36 | phyberoptix | i know that |
| 04:52.37 | myren | however often its advisable to pin the source at a lower priority |
| 04:52.52 | myren | ok well thast what you need. why ask if you knnow |
| 04:53.01 | phyberoptix | but i was wondering if you had a site with what to add or the line i need to add here |
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| 04:53.24 | myren | apt-get.org lists backports |
| 04:53.33 | phyberoptix | thx |
| 04:53.35 | myren | man sources.list lists info on sources.list |
| 04:53.42 | phyberoptix | i know how to use it |
| 04:53.46 | phyberoptix | been there |
| 04:53.55 | phyberoptix | i just wasnt having luck on google tonight |
| 04:53.56 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 04:54.13 | vbhanu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:56.09 | mrx | maybe a stupid question, but is it possible to run windows programs on debian, like steam? I would like the server to compile the maps aswell |
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| 04:56.18 | gravity | !wine |
| 04:56.19 | dpkg | wine is, like, at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 04:56.30 | ootput | mrx: what exactly do you mean by 'compile the maps?' |
| 04:56.55 | terr | I thought in a computer literate channel such as this that someone might be able to offer some advice ona calculator or little personal digital ass that will do what a calculator does. My HP 32s crapped out when I tried to install of wine on it. |
| 04:56.57 | mike__ | mrx: crossover from codeweaver is wine on steroids. |
| 04:56.57 | smacnay | stew: well, adding individual module names to a file called /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist failed to stop modules from loading. I did learn that hotplug runs on startup and I can stop certain buses from being scanned (like my scsi). I will start paring down hotplug for now. |
| 04:57.00 | mrx | i model and texture the maps in source SDK, and to get them as maps, they must be compiled then i am done designing |
| 04:57.47 | stew | smacnay: oh, i thought i had told you about those blacklist possibilities days ago and figured you had exhausted them |
| 04:57.54 | Vlat | mrx: 3d? sorry, no glx here :/ |
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| 04:58.45 | terr | mike__: speaking of an issue related to crossover - which I'm thinking of trying out for a specific app - can ssh or rsh make a virtual port connection as in a parallel port or a serial port? |
| 04:59.09 | terr | mike__: I am wondering if we can have one machine use the ports on another machine as if they are local? |
| 04:59.33 | mike__ | oioi.....well beyond me. |
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| 04:59.44 | mike__ | got a license key or something on a serial port? |
| 04:59.47 | terr | mike__: IE - map say rhost:/dev/stty1 to /dev/stty4 |
| 05:00.01 | mike__ | well, it is linux, so anyting is possible |
| 05:00.08 | mike__ | but i'd just be guessing |
| 05:00.12 | terr | mike__: yup - its for a stictching program - embroidery. |
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| 05:00.34 | terr | mike__: only one user however and it might be quite a benefit if she can run on linux. |
| 05:00.51 | mike__ | why not plug device on linux serial port? |
| 05:01.01 | mike__ | why remote? |
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| 05:01.56 | terr | mike__: because for testing purposes she'll need to run on both machines for a while. |
| 05:02.19 | mike__ | but current machine is windows with the key? |
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| 05:02.51 | terr | mike__: I do not know if crossover is actually practical for her mind you. too early to tell. But she needs things like rsync and firewalling and that can be achieved easier on linux than on windows |
| 05:03.06 | terr | mike__: yup. I think its a win95 proggy tho. |
| 05:03.15 | terr | mike by far that is likely. |
| 05:03.56 | mike__ | i can't imaging how you could get a windows machine could share a physical port to linux remotely |
| 05:04.47 | BlackJudas | How can I tell wtf chipset my mobo uses? ... dmidecode = shit |
| 05:04.54 | terr | mike__: I can - I can pick up the IO to and fromt he port and pass it back and forth - and create a virtual port in linux. |
| 05:04.59 | smacnay | stew: you did but I started (or tried to) with the actual kernel loading. That hasn't worked so I will start with hotplug. |
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| 05:05.21 | mike__ | terr: you know more about it then me already! sorry. |
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| 05:05.36 | terr | mike__: I don't think the programming woudl be that difficult and the data xfer is minor. |
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| 05:06.02 | mike__ | blackjudas: google your mobo! |
| 05:06.02 | terr | mike__: not really - I've just written deamons before. I'll ask the guys in #c |
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| 05:06.31 | hornhead | anyone know how to run bittornado (cli) once it's installed? |
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| 05:06.47 | BlackJudas | mike__, heh too easy ;) I want the "debian" way ;) |
| 05:07.10 | rawhit | where can i get testing packages if packages.debian is down |
| 05:07.27 | ootput | hornhead: btdownloadcurses? |
| 05:07.40 | ootput | hornhead: or something of that nature? they're basically python scripts |
| 05:07.40 | rawhit | i tried ftp but libdevmapper isnt there |
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| 05:07.49 | hornhead | ootput: awesome.. thanks |
| 05:08.06 | nichos | hi all, my apt is stuck, keeps telling me to apt-get -f install, which fails. Ive tried dpkg --force-all --purge and it keeps saying "ignoring request to remove X which isnt installed" |
| 05:08.09 | mike__ | blackjudas: /proc/cpuinfo? |
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| 05:08.25 | ootput | hornhead: tbh, i'm using rtorrent now (non-python) |
| 05:08.38 | terr | does anyone here use and PDA's? I'm wondering if they are a good substitute for a calculator |
| 05:08.45 | BlackJudas | thanks mike__ but as per usual I was just having a braindead moment, I was hoping to be berated for my stupidity. |
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| 05:08.47 | BlackJudas | :) |
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| 05:09.01 | ootput | terr: provided you actually use it, they're fantastic :) |
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| 05:09.10 | xai | Is there a Sarge installer that supports 3ware 9550SX booting? |
| 05:09.11 | eeyore- | terr: not substitute for scientific calculators |
| 05:09.11 | mike__ | oh, ok....is bucky still here? he was yelling at people earlier |
| 05:09.22 | terr | ootput: I dunno if I really need one. I don't really know what they do. |
| 05:09.24 | eeyore- | terr: unless you have the right apps |
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| 05:09.31 | ootput | terr: :) |
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| 05:09.38 | terr | eeyore-: what do you mean too bulky? |
| 05:09.54 | ootput | terr: my memory isn't what it used to be.. i use the pda to organise my life |
| 05:09.55 | terr | eeyore-: how much do thye cost? |
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| 05:10.08 | clistov | why is it when i try and run a .bin file it says it doesn't exist yet, the file is complete and not corrupt |
| 05:10.09 | terr | ootput: like what sorts of things? |
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| 05:10.27 | eeyore- | terr: the basic app that comes with palmos, for example, doesn't do jack. basic operations ... doesn't do combinatorial, permutation, statistical, or basic trig functions |
| 05:10.29 | valdyn | clistov: ./file.bin |
| 05:10.30 | ootput | terr: appointments, goals, interests |
| 05:10.35 | nichos | any ideas? |
| 05:10.43 | ootput | terr: and plenty of reading material |
| 05:10.49 | caphuso | clistov: what's the exact error message? |
| 05:11.07 | terr | ootput: I have no appointments few goals and I can usually remember what I am interested in!! |
| 05:11.27 | ootput | terr: i also take pictures of skin disorders |
| 05:11.30 | terr | eeyore-: what is the interface to it? Buttons or a silly stick. |
| 05:11.44 | eeyore- | terr: www.palm.com |
| 05:11.55 | terr | ootput: what sorts of disorders? |
| 05:12.05 | lunitik | Anyone know why it won't write idtags for files? |
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| 05:12.08 | ootput | the operable kind |
| 05:12.10 | terr | I didn't know a palm piolt could take pics. |
| 05:12.12 | eeyore- | terr: touch-sensitive surface. GUI elements include buttons, lists, menu, checkboxes, radio buttons |
| 05:12.25 | ootput | I keep a record of them there |
| 05:12.28 | eeyore- | terr: all accessed via a stylus, or your fingertip |
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| 05:12.39 | lunitik | libmad0 depends id3tags... so it should work :( |
| 05:12.47 | eeyore- | terr: my palmpilot has GPS integrated (it's a garmin) |
| 05:12.56 | terr | eeyore - I'm used to an HP32s. Do you think the I/F would be accepatable? |
| 05:13.13 | ootput | the which? |
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| 05:13.15 | eeyore- | terr: you have to decide :-) go down to Fry's or something, and try them out |
| 05:13.19 | terr | eeyore-: how much are they? |
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| 05:13.31 | eeyore- | terr: anywhere from $99 to $700-$800 |
| 05:13.36 | terr | eeyore-: we don't have Fry's here - we do have bestbuy. |
| 05:13.40 | ootput | terr: there's quite a selection |
| 05:13.51 | terr | calculator costs about $100 for an HP33s |
| 05:13.53 | G | time to see how well debian will like my system :P |
| 05:13.58 | ootput | terr: it's quite addictive |
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| 05:14.07 | G | (my new system that is) |
| 05:14.08 | eeyore- | terr: PDA is not a substitute for well-designed calculators |
| 05:14.26 | terr | eeyore-: ok. Then I prolly wouldn't like it. |
| 05:14.33 | eeyore- | terr: unless you want to do *more* with a PDA |
| 05:14.33 | caphuso | eeyore-: there are hp-48 emulators of palmos |
| 05:14.49 | ootput | terr: i'm sure there are apps on the pda that are more than capable |
| 05:14.58 | nichos | hi all, my apt is stuck, keeps telling me to apt-get -f install, which fails. Ive tried dpkg --force-all --purge and it keeps saying "ignoring request to remove X which isnt installed" |
| 05:14.58 | terr | caphuso: hp48 is quite a nice calulator. |
| 05:15.00 | eeyore- | terr: i bought the garmin partially to write palmos apps on it |
| 05:15.29 | terr | eeyore-: well it is quite possible that I will need to write an app that runs on the palm. |
| 05:15.57 | eeyore- | terr: IMHO, palmos is "more accessible" than winCE |
| 05:15.57 | terr | eeyore-: the thing is I'll get a lot more fucntionality on a palm than on a calculator... |
| 05:16.14 | smacnay | stew: thanks for the help with this module stuff. I am so used to rolling my own kernel and not using an initrd kernel that seeing all these modules loaded blows me away. I don't used ext3 but it gets loaded. Oh well, on the upside... the machine works and I am seeing specific messages regarding my hardware that I have never seen before. |
| 05:16.26 | terr | Palm website doesn't work - needs javascript adn I have it turned off. |
| 05:16.43 | nichos | apt tell nichos about force |
| 05:16.44 | terr | Oh well - I guess Palm won't be selling me a machine any time soon. |
| 05:16.45 | ootput | prices or customer review? |
| 05:16.55 | eeyore- | terr: so, enable it for a minute |
| 05:16.56 | nichos | apt tell nichos about --force |
| 05:17.15 | rawhit | wtf are the testing packages kept? |
| 05:17.18 | terr | eeyore-: na - this gives me something to complain about |
| 05:17.19 | nima | will bad things happen if my computer dies in the middle of an upgrade? |
| 05:17.23 | eeyore- | ootput: what, regarding accessibility? |
| 05:17.54 | ootput | eeyore-: pardon? |
| 05:18.12 | eeyore- | ootput: you said "prices or customer review", and i was wondering what that was in response to |
| 05:19.10 | ootput | eeyore-: ah. It was in response to terr's problem with the website |
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| 05:25.48 | TraceGreen | hello, can anybody help me to change cursor theme? i am using fluxbox. |
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| 05:25.57 | smacnay | to make virus scanning my inbound mail spool easier from command line, is it foolish to do a 'ln -s /var/spool/mail/me mail' in my home dir and just run clamscan on ~/mail ? |
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| 05:26.31 | Fear_cult | anyone know iptables here specificly why when i input a table it dosent error or anything but i do iptables -L and nothing is there |
| 05:26.33 | smacnay | TraceGreen: you might want to try asking in #fluxbox |
| 05:26.38 | Guerin | smacnay: sounds fine to me |
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| 05:26.58 | Guerin | Fear_cult: #iptables |
| 05:27.08 | smacnay | Guerin: and a symlink can not delete the target if I accidentally dem ~/mail, correct? |
| 05:27.08 | Fear_cult | been there no one is alive |
| 05:27.13 | Guerin | smacnay: correct. |
| 05:27.20 | Guerin | !they aren't there |
| 05:27.20 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel aren't helping with your non-debian problem , it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 05:27.45 | Fear_cult | oh fuck you dpkg you have no right bitching at someone for asking a general linux question cocksucker |
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| 05:28.01 | Readon | how to check which module does kernel use for netcard? |
| 05:28.23 | Guerin | Readon: look at the output of lsmod |
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| 05:28.38 | eeyore- | TraceGreen: it's X cursor theme you should change |
| 05:29.03 | eeyore- | TraceGreen: if you use Xorg, it's trivial. /usr/share/cursors/xorg-x11/default/index.theme |
| 05:29.12 | Readon | Guerin: i do that, but i haven't found |
| 05:29.14 | TraceGreen | eeyore-, i download some kind of cursor theme, and want to change it. |
| 05:29.22 | G_ | pcmcia is the most annoying thing ever made.... |
| 05:29.27 | TraceGreen | eeyore-, i am using xfre86 |
| 05:29.29 | nvzn | did the syntax of the debian sources.list file change for apt? |
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| 05:29.40 | eeyore- | TraceGreen: edit the default/index.theme and set Inherits=<theme name> |
| 05:29.49 | Guerin | Readon: it's not always obvious |
| 05:29.52 | Guerin | nvzn: no |
| 05:29.55 | TraceGreen | eeyore-, is it just default? |
| 05:29.55 | eeyore- | TraceGreen: sorry, then |
| 05:30.20 | eeyore- | TraceGreen: i don't remember if xfree86 supports cursor theme |
| 05:30.21 | clistov | why is it when i try and run a .bin file it says it doesn't exist, yet the file is complete and not corrupt |
| 05:30.27 | Readon | Guerin: how to determine it is or not? |
| 05:30.27 | clistov | i use ./file.bin to run the file |
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| 05:30.43 | eeyore- | clistov: ldd file.bin |
| 05:30.53 | nvzn | can someone point me to a sources.list file example i can refer toÉ |
| 05:31.01 | Guerin | Readon: what network card? |
| 05:31.12 | Guerin | nvzn: apt-setup |
| 05:31.18 | terr | eeyore-: ya - I just wrote them a nasty email and said we won't be buying any products any time soon because we can't navigate the website because of the javascript they use. |
| 05:31.28 | eeyore- | terr: silly |
| 05:31.38 | terr | eeyore-: I don't care. |
| 05:31.51 | Readon | Guerin: it is in virtual machine, so i don't know. |
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| 05:32.01 | clistov | eeyore-: running 64bit machine |
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| 05:32.05 | terr | eeyore-: if I were a vp of sales I'd sure be asking some hard questions if I got an email like that. |
| 05:32.05 | clistov | ldd doesn't work |
| 05:32.08 | nvzn | Guerin: im getting a whole bunch of 301 Moved Permenantly errors |
| 05:32.12 | eeyore- | clistov: why not? |
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| 05:32.25 | Guerin | Readon: lspci? |
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| 05:32.39 | clistov | eeyore-:ls ld* |
| 05:32.39 | clistov | > ld-2.3.5.so ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 |
| 05:32.47 | Guerin | nvzn: use apt-setup to choose a new mirror |
| 05:32.54 | terr | eeyore-: when somone's shitty javascript causes the browser to crash it isn't much fun. |
| 05:32.58 | clistov | ldd is linked to the 32bit application |
| 05:32.59 | clistov | lib |
| 05:33.03 | clistov | from what i'm seeing |
| 05:33.04 | nvzn | yeah it seems the three i was using are all borked |
| 05:33.13 | Readon | Guerin: DECchip 21140 |
| 05:33.24 | threat | DEC :S |
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| 05:33.33 | eeyore- | clistov: one sec |
| 05:33.39 | xai | Where can i find out what kernel is in the netinstall for stable? |
| 05:33.49 | jfields | hey does anyone know how to render a file non changeable even to root |
| 05:34.03 | eeyore- | jfields: not possible |
| 05:34.08 | debian1394newbie | How do I see if a 1394 card is recognized by the system? I installed raw1394 and tried example tools, but it states couldn't get handle: No such device |
| 05:34.08 | debian1394newbie | This probably means that you don't have raw1394 support in the kernel or that |
| 05:34.09 | debian1394newbie | you haven't loaded the raw1394 module. |
| 05:34.14 | Guerin | Readon: so look in lsmod for things which look like they might refer to DEC stuff |
| 05:34.18 | Guerin | or similar |
| 05:34.22 | jfields | yes it is... i read about it ... just cant remember where |
| 05:34.25 | ForceShade | dmesg |
| 05:34.29 | eeyore- | jfields: nope, not possible |
| 05:34.30 | hornhead | Is there a simple command I can use to remove all of my unused libraries? |
| 05:34.30 | Guerin | it's not an exact science, because module names and so on change |
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| 05:34.57 | Guerin | hornhead: debfoster or deborphan |
| 05:35.04 | hornhead | thanks |
| 05:35.11 | eeyore- | tracegree: ldd works just fine for me, 64-bit |
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| 05:35.28 | eeyore- | clistov: ldd works just fine for me in 64-bit |
| 05:35.29 | G_ | hmmmm "starting pcmcia services.... cd: IS port probe 0x800-0x8ff:" that shouldn't take ages correct? |
| 05:35.41 | Readon | Guerin: i can't find any. |
| 05:36.29 | Guerin | Readon: no idea, then. |
| 05:36.38 | eeyore- | bbl |
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| 05:37.04 | mfrisch | 64 bit rules |
| 05:37.07 | debian1394newbie | How do I tell if a card is recognized by debian? |
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| 05:37.17 | odla | debian1394newbie: cardctl |
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| 05:37.36 | debian1394newbie | thank you, will try it. |
| 05:37.42 | odla | debian1394newbie: cardctl ident |
| 05:38.11 | terr | is it possible to set up a virtual port as in a virtual serial or parallel port so that one machines physical port looks like it is installed in another machine? |
| 05:38.49 | odla | G_: no |
| 05:39.04 | G_ | odla, didn't think so.... |
| 05:39.14 | clistov | eeyore-: what do you suggest ? |
| 05:39.34 | xai | What kernel is in the netinstall for stable? |
| 05:39.55 | G_ | now in SuSE when i had it installed noapic in the boot options caused it to load properly in it's 'recovery boot' |
| 05:40.02 | G_ | done that again here, and it |
| 05:40.07 | G_ | done that again here, and it's not helping |
| 05:40.26 | G_ | (i have nothing in any of the PCMCIA slots) |
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| 05:41.06 | bumblebee | hello |
| 05:41.30 | odla | G_: there must be a way to blacklist that or turn it off or something...but i don't know |
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| 05:42.29 | G_ | hmmmm even doing it SuSE's way of "noapic=yes nopcmcia=yes" doesn't work |
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| 05:42.53 | G_ | so i can't actually even get to bash |
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| 05:43.20 | odla | G_: what happens if you load in safe mode? |
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| 05:43.31 | G_ | ditto |
| 05:44.22 | debian1394newbie | odla: is 'cardctl' a command line tool? |
| 05:44.45 | odla | debian1394newbie: yeah |
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| 05:45.07 | odla | debian1394newbie: alternatively you could try lsmod |
| 05:45.23 | odla | debian1394newbie: oops...i ment dmesg |
| 05:45.54 | debian1394newbie | odla: thanks. I will try dmesg. |
| 05:47.26 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:47.27 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 05:49.11 | G_ | it should be popcorn |
| 05:49.26 | hornhead | i just installed debian. is there anyway to delete every package since the initial install? |
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| 05:49.43 | tarzeau | !popcorn |
| 05:49.57 | tarzeau | hornhead: why? |
| 05:50.32 | hornhead | Eh, I was going to throw KDE on there but have decided not to. I can't just delete kde-core, there's so many libraries it installed |
| 05:50.45 | tarzeau | !remove kde |
| 05:50.46 | dpkg | remove kde is probably apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 05:51.13 | deadcat | hornhead: install debfoster, run it and start pressing p to purge |
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| 05:52.13 | eeyore- | clistov: my guess is you're missing a library that's required by your precompiled binary |
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| 05:53.39 | clistov | eeyore-: what package can i compile ? |
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| 05:53.52 | eeyore- | clistov: that's what ldd would have shown you :-) |
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| 05:54.45 | rred | anybody help me with apt-key ? I'm trying to "apt-get upgrade" and I keep getting "NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D" on all my sources despite that I have the latest keys (ziyi 2006 and marillat's) |
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| 05:54.58 | deadcat | rred: /topic |
| 05:55.13 | clistov | eeyore-: no, to enable ldd to work |
| 05:55.37 | eeyore- | clistov: why doesn't it work? or, did you just think it doesn't work? |
| 05:55.49 | rred | got it. thatks, deadcat (bot?) |
| 05:56.01 | deadcat | rred: no i am not a bot |
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| 05:56.13 | G_ | odla, it'd be hotplug thats doing it right? |
| 05:56.24 | eeyore- | clistov: you know ldd is just a bash script, right? |
| 05:56.54 | clistov | eeyore-:/usr/bin/ldd: line 171: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: No such file or directory |
| 05:56.54 | clistov | ldd: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit code (127) |
| 05:57.00 | rred | oh. ok. anyway, i've tried various incantations of adding keys to root's keyring and apt-key, but I still get the "public key not available" error from "apt-get update" |
| 05:57.17 | eeyore- | clistov: how can you not have /lib/ld-linux.so.2? |
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| 06:00.40 | eleusis | w00t, key problem fixed |
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| 06:01.41 | buu | dpkg: search fastcgi |
| 06:01.47 | buu | dpkg help |
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| 06:02.38 | buu | What was the magic package search command/ I'm trying to find mod_fcgi |
| 06:02.50 | lunitik | buu: apt-cache search? |
| 06:03.04 | rred | hot dog. Turns out I needed the old 2005 key that expires at 31 Jan, and that the new key wasn't yet in use (or something). |
| 06:03.06 | streuner | buu: /msg dpkg search |
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| 06:04.22 | buu | streuner: Thanks. |
| 06:04.26 | buu | lunitik: I tried, I couldn't find it |
| 06:04.39 | isorox | apt-cache search mod_fcgi |
| 06:04.39 | isorox | libapache2-mod-fcgid - an alternative module compat with mod_fastcgi |
| 06:05.10 | buu | isorox: Yes. |
| 06:05.16 | buu | isorox: However, I'm running apache1 |
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| 06:06.41 | SperMite | how do i make kdm my default login manager? |
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| 06:07.11 | buu | Anyone happen to know the package? |
| 06:07.26 | caphuso | SperMite: install no other, or edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 06:07.34 | clistov | eeyore-: i dont but i have ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 |
| 06:07.35 | lunitik | SperMite: vi /etc/X11/default-desktop-manager and and make it read path to kdm binary |
| 06:07.35 | isorox | only ones in testing that I can see are that apace2 one and libfcgi0 |
| 06:07.48 | lunitik | SperMite: uhh... what caphuso said |
| 06:07.55 | clistov | eeyore-: like i said before the ldd app is pointing to the 32bit version |
| 06:08.11 | clistov | eeyore-: i thought compiling a new version of it would be the go but still now ork |
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| 06:08.15 | lunitik | actually... and kdm asks via debconf if there are others installed... |
| 06:08.19 | xaoc | hi, what is zh_CN.GB18030 ... ? |
| 06:08.47 | streuner | xaoc: chinese locales? |
| 06:08.47 | nvz | SperMite: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 06:09.37 | xaoc | ok |
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| 06:10.22 | buu | Argh, dpkg tells me there's a libapache-mod-fcgi |
| 06:10.26 | buu | But I can't find it. |
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| 06:10.30 | Hamled | does non-US not have an unstable branch? |
| 06:10.34 | Hamled | or dist |
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| 06:10.43 | caphuso | Hamled: there is no non-us |
| 06:10.50 | Hamled | wha? |
| 06:10.51 | SperMite | Everythings set up right, but it's not kdm, its some Debian GNU/linux login and it's pretty ugly |
| 06:10.56 | Hamled | non-us.debian.org ...? |
| 06:11.06 | ke6isf | !non-us |
| 06:11.06 | dpkg | it has been said that non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 06:11.06 | caphuso | Hamled: historical garbage |
| 06:11.13 | Hamled | ok |
| 06:11.25 | Hamled | guess it's just included in the old stable sourcest list |
| 06:11.27 | ke6isf | Time to change the factoid then. |
| 06:11.29 | Hamled | *sources |
| 06:11.31 | nvz | I s'pose I could run vncserver as a user who is disabled i.e. cannot login normally via passwd. |
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| 06:12.03 | Hamled | how do I get the rest of that factoid/ |
| 06:12.06 | buu | caphuso: You know the mysteries of fast cgi! |
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| 06:12.19 | Hamled | or, perhaps, how can I get the most complete list of unstable |
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| 06:12.26 | eeyore- | clistov: how come you're compiling anything for debian? are you using debian? |
| 06:12.27 | caphuso | buu: i do? |
| 06:12.33 | isorox | Does anyone know if kdelibs4 still supposed to exist? I cant find it in testing (either my local mirror or the http.us one), however my box does have 4:3.3.2-6.1 installed, and there is a a .deb on the server, its just not in Packages.gz |
| 06:12.51 | buu | caphuso: Yes! |
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| 06:12.59 | isorox | apt-cache search kdelibs4 has -dev and -doc but no plain package |
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| 06:13.10 | caphuso | isorox: try kdelibs |
| 06:13.11 | buu | Actually, how do I add non-free to my sources.list/ |
| 06:13.20 | nvz | !+info kdelibs4 etch |
| 06:13.20 | clistov | eeyore-: yes i am using debian, hence why i'm asking here ;P |
| 06:13.21 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:13.23 | dpkg | Package 'kdelibs4' does not exist. |
| 06:13.24 | eeyore- | if anybody uses debian x86_64, would you look at clistov's problem? i use gentoo/suse in 64-bit, not debian :-) |
| 06:13.27 | nvz | !+info kdelibs etch |
| 06:13.29 | dpkg | kdelibs: (core libraries from the official KDE release), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-2 (etch), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 06:13.31 | samuel | sup all |
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| 06:13.51 | eeyore- | i suspect clistov doesn't have some 32-bit compatibility libs installed |
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| 06:14.15 | buu | Simple enough. |
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| 06:14.24 | SperMite | caphuso what am i doing wrong. i got this Debian GNU/linux login but my default login manager says its kdm? |
| 06:14.29 | buu | ARGH. |
| 06:14.32 | clistov | eeyore-: why should i need anything 32 bit installed ? |
| 06:14.33 | samuel | anyone know how to get affix working on debian? |
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| 06:14.57 | caphuso | SperMite: and what's the problem? |
| 06:15.01 | buu | packages.d.o says that libapache-mod-fcgi is in the stable branch. I'm running unstable, shouldn't I have the package/ |
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| 06:15.15 | buu | I added non-free to my apt source lines and it seemed to updated fine. |
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| 06:15.30 | caphuso | buu: "seemed to"? |
| 06:15.40 | lunitik | SperMite: sounds like xdm... you did what caphuso said 'dpkg-reconfigure kdm' and it didn't ask you? |
| 06:16.15 | lunitik | SperMite: if not... 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' and set it to priority: low, then try again... |
| 06:16.40 | caphuso | dpkg-reconfigure doesn't care about the default debconf priority |
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| 06:17.36 | Hamled | can someone remind me how to fix the MMap out of room error? |
| 06:17.44 | xaoc | paragraph 22? |
| 06:17.46 | Guerin | !mmap |
| 06:17.46 | dpkg | well, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 06:17.49 | Hamled | thanks |
| 06:18.01 | lunitik | caphuso: huh? since when? |
| 06:18.12 | Guerin | it always runs low |
| 06:18.13 | buu | caphuso: There were no errors and it said it retrieved 'non-free' |
| 06:18.13 | caphuso | lunitik: since, uh, the last 4 years? |
| 06:18.24 | caphuso | maybe longer |
| 06:18.25 | Guerin | presuming that you actually want to reconfigure stuff |
| 06:18.27 | buu | caphuso: non-free packages that is. |
| 06:18.33 | lunitik | caphuso: dpkg-reconfigure something like xserver-xorg at low and high priority, and tell me it doesn't change the amount of questions asked. |
| 06:18.37 | eeyore- | clistov: you didn't give us any information, you know, so we had to guess. and it's reasonable to guess that you don't have 32-bit compatibility libs installed. |
| 06:18.55 | debian1394newbie | I am really stuck trying to get a libraw1394 tool to work... |
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| 06:19.00 | eeyore- | clistov: if you don't want us to guess, how about you be more specific in your question and give more specific information, than just "file.bin doesn't work" |
| 06:19.00 | vbhanu | nbsmtp takes input frm STDIN, does anyone here know what is the format of that input? |
| 06:19.10 | lunitik | caphuso: it asks "write changes to configuration file" with both, so just say no and it won't wreck anything |
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| 06:20.05 | Hamled | debconf: DbDriver "configdb" error: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process how would I unlock that? |
| 06:20.15 | Hamled | (the process was killed unfortunately) |
| 06:20.18 | lunitik | caphuso: perhaps some packages don't care about the setting... but thats the whole point of the priority. |
| 06:20.19 | buu | Oh never mind, I found it. |
| 06:20.28 | buu | (IT was in non-free named mod-fastcgi. Duh.) |
| 06:21.03 | caphuso | lunitik: that means you either found a bug in dpkg-reconfigure or the xserver-xorg scripts try to be especially clever |
| 06:21.28 | caphuso | oh, great, irt overwrote my xorg.conf without asking... |
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| 06:22.00 | lunitik | caphuso: even says at the top of the question "configuring this option will change the amount of questions dpkg asks when installing packages" or somesuch... dpkg-reconfigure just runs post-install scripts of a package again... |
| 06:22.10 | caphuso | Specify the minimum priority of question that will be displayed. dpkg-reconfigure normally shows low priority questions no matter what your default priority is. See debconf(7) for a list. |
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| 06:22.36 | Hamled | debconf: DbDriver "configdb" error: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process how would I unlock that? |
| 06:22.54 | lunitik | caphuso: set the priority to low and dpkg-reconfigure somepkg ... it'll ask less than you probably saw first time through... |
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| 06:23.42 | debian1394newbie | I am trying to figure out why libraw1394 tools don't work. I used dmesg and get ieee1394: Node changed: 0-00:1023 -> 0-01:1023 |
| 06:23.42 | debian1394newbie | ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023] GUID[000a270004144f76] |
| 06:24.04 | caphuso | lunitik: i tried it with mozilla-browser. same amount of questions with critical and low default settings |
| 06:24.39 | lunitik | caphuso: firefox doesn't ask many questions... and none are complicated... |
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| 06:25.07 | lunitik | caphuso: mail server asks less... xserver asks less... hell, even things like base-config |
| 06:25.11 | debian1394newbie | Also dmesg reports "ieee1394: unsolicited response packet received - no tlabel match" |
| 06:25.17 | Jeeves_Moss | All: how is everyone tonight? |
| 06:25.24 | SperMite | lunitik =0( still no luck, not sure whats going on. my login looks something like : http://www.xinux.de/docs/linux/debian/bilder/x11/100/login-app.jpg lil more uglier though |
| 06:25.33 | caphuso | lunitik: how the hell do you use dpkg-reconfigure with base-config? |
| 06:25.37 | ke6isf | Jeeves_Moss: Who is All? |
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| 06:25.58 | Jeeves_Moss | Ke6isf: any one who is paying attention, and to my friends on here. Glad you noticed. |
| 06:26.04 | ke6isf | !al |
| 06:26.04 | dpkg | i guess al is Albania |
| 06:26.06 | ke6isf | oops. |
| 06:26.08 | ke6isf | !all |
| 06:26.08 | dpkg | All: no such nick/channel. Just ask your question, please - ask me about <ask>. |
| 06:26.10 | Hamled | Jeeves_Moss, there's a file that was locked by an app that was shutdown prematurely, how would I remove that lock ? |
| 06:26.15 | xaoc | All |
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| 06:26.40 | Jeeves_Moss | Hamled: was the app running as root or sudo? |
| 06:26.46 | Hamled | root |
| 06:26.46 | xaoc | or ALF? :)))) |
| 06:27.00 | xaoc | :P |
| 06:27.11 | isorox | Hamled, lsof will list open files |
| 06:27.12 | marccollin | if i want to disable dhcp on my router, after for linux i only need to set a ip and use my router subnet adress? |
| 06:27.13 | Jeeves_Moss | hamled: ummmm.. LOL. I think you've got some issues with that. What is the file if you don't mind me asking? |
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| 06:27.36 | Hamled | Jeeves_Moss, /var/cache/debconf/config.dat (I was running apt-setup) |
| 06:28.03 | Jeeves_Moss | hamled: I'm assumeing that you've tried to reboot the system? |
| 06:28.09 | caphuso | lunitik: tried with dhelp. default level critical, same questions as default level low. no questions asked if i use "dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical dhelp" |
| 06:28.24 | Hamled | Jeeves_Moss, it's a remote system, I'm not really looking to pay some ungodly amount if it doesn't reboot correctly |
| 06:28.24 | caphuso | lunitik: which looks to me like a damn good proof that dpkg-reconfigure ignores the default level |
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| 06:29.02 | Jeeves_Moss | Hamled: the only thing I can think of is deleting the file, and remaking it. Ren the file to foo.conf.old |
| 06:29.08 | Hamled | isorox, are there any related commands to remove the stream/lock? |
| 06:29.19 | caphuso | lunitik: hell, dpkg-reconfigure even has a --default-priority option documented with "Use whatever the default priority of question is, instead of forcing the priority to low." |
| 06:29.30 | debian1394newbie | how can i test to see if a device is responding, such as the 1394 user space? |
| 06:29.33 | jm_ | Hamled: do not rename that file |
| 06:29.50 | Hamled | I wasn't going to..... |
| 06:30.00 | Hamled | I assume deleting it will also be a problem |
| 06:30.05 | jm_ | Hamled: you can always strace it |
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| 06:30.13 | jm_ | do not delete it either, you'll lose your settings |
| 06:30.22 | Guerin | stupid gnomemeeting |
| 06:30.30 | Hamled | there's not much in terms of settings really |
| 06:30.58 | jm_ | yeah only about several hundred settings in there |
| 06:31.08 | Guerin | i can talk into the mic, and hear myself through the speakers, but gnomemeeting can't record me and play my voice back |
| 06:31.21 | Hamled | jm_, I mean, changed settings |
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| 06:31.27 | Hamled | I have a coyp of the file in my home dir atm |
| 06:31.41 | Hamled | so I should be able to delete it, copy it back, and then run the app again? |
| 06:31.54 | jm_ | I would rather strace it |
| 06:32.01 | Jeeves_Moss | hamled: isn't that file the config for your system though? |
| 06:32.01 | isorox | Hamled, lsof|grep debconf |
| 06:32.09 | isorox | that gives you the process that has the file open |
| 06:32.11 | Hamled | isorox, it's in there i told you |
| 06:32.20 | Hamled | k |
| 06:32.23 | debian1394newbie | how do you install a 1394 card on debian |
| 06:32.24 | isorox | sorry - I'm on nights and havent had enough cofffee :) |
| 06:32.28 | isorox | then kill -9 the process number |
| 06:32.29 | jm_ | it is? which process has it open then? |
| 06:32.30 | manu | do i have to change the group of /proc/acpi/event to hal |
| 06:32.37 | isorox | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2003-12/5753.html |
| 06:32.38 | manu | and then change perm to 440 |
| 06:32.45 | manu | is that required? |
| 06:33.25 | Jeeves_Moss | Hamled: you need to be carefull that what ever process that has the file open isn't something that you need running. |
| 06:33.36 | Hamled | Jeeves_Moss, it's just apt-setup |
| 06:33.37 | Hamled | but thanks |
| 06:33.46 | Hamled | regular kill didn't work, thank god for kill -9 I guess |
| 06:34.05 | isorox | you could have always rebooted :) |
| 06:34.13 | Hamled | isorox, this is a remote box |
| 06:34.17 | Jeeves_Moss | Hamled: oh, ok. knock your self out. I don't have to worry about remote stuff. I just have to walk into my kitchen to the rack. |
| 06:34.21 | debian1394newbie | I am using version 2.4.27-2-386. |
| 06:34.23 | isorox | you could have always rebooted and crossed your fingers :) |
| 06:34.26 | Hamled | not sure how they have it setup, don't want to pay $50 if they have to go reboot it |
| 06:34.27 | Hamled | yeah |
| 06:34.28 | Hamled | I could have |
| 06:35.05 | Jeeves_Moss | Hamled: well, do you have access to another box in the same switch or rack? if she dosen't come back up, just netboot it. |
| 06:35.21 | Hamled | nope, no other access |
| 06:35.40 | Hamled | I'll check if they have a remote reboot service that I can buy |
| 06:35.44 | Jeeves_Moss | Hamled: ok, then try killing the process. I'm just trying to think of some kind of failsafe. |
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| 06:35.50 | Hamled | process is dead |
| 06:35.55 | Hamled | I'm already past that |
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| 06:35.59 | Hamled | life is peachy again |
| 06:36.02 | debian1394newbie | nothing about 1394 on Wiki or google... |
| 06:36.09 | manu | do i have to change the group of /proc/acpi/event to hal |
| 06:36.12 | Hamled | I thought I had killed the process before, and somehow the lock was still there |
| 06:36.16 | SerajewelKS | thunderbird 1.5 hasn't been packaged in sid yet? |
| 06:36.17 | Guerin | debian1394newbie: bullshit |
| 06:36.19 | Hamled | but I hadn't actually killed it |
| 06:36.25 | manu | and then change perm to 440 is that required? |
| 06:36.26 | Guerin | !firewire |
| 06:36.26 | dpkg | somebody said firewire was Apple's name for the connection also known as Sony i.Link and IEEE1394. A fast 400Mbit/sec (or 800mbit/sec) connection, designed for transferring large data streams. Also suitable for network connections. See http://www.linux1394.org/ |
| 06:36.40 | Jeeves_Moss | Hamled: ok, then you dodged the bullet once again. LOL. But seriously, I'd check into something to do a networkboot remotly. That way you won't have to worry about it. |
| 06:36.59 | Hamled | I gotta say, firewire sounds better than IEEE1394 |
| 06:37.07 | Hamled | Jeeves_Moss, yah |
| 06:37.08 | xaoc | milkiway? :) |
| 06:37.43 | Jeeves_Moss | Hamled: as I said, I'm lucky I have the rack in my home (well some days, staff meetings usaly degrade into drinking and playing CS-Source) |
| 06:37.49 | samuel | how can i see a list of available kernel modules? where are they stored please? |
| 06:37.49 | Hamled | I just pray that none of the packages I'm gonna install depend on 2.6 :/ |
| 06:38.04 | Hamled | Jeeves_Moss, that's what staff meetings are fore |
| 06:38.06 | Hamled | *for |
| 06:38.06 | isorox | samuel, /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ |
| 06:38.46 | samuel | isorox: thanks! |
| 06:39.02 | Jeeves_Moss | Hamled: I usaly don't mind. its just that my fiance dosen't like a bunch of drunk 20 somethings hanging out in the house playing first person shooter games. She usaly goes to her parent's place for the night. Shes also afraid of the rack. |
| 06:39.18 | servus | Jeeves_Moss: She's not taking her rack with her? |
| 06:39.27 | debian1394newbie | Guerin: I am running the tools examples in libraw1394 and get a no handle error... I can see the dmesg results... nothing on the wiki or google matches the error... |
| 06:39.33 | Hamled | bah, one should be in reverence of the rack |
| 06:39.40 | manu | do i have to change the group of /proc/acpi/event to hal |
| 06:39.42 | manu | and then change perm to 440 is that required? |
| 06:39.44 | xaoc | ebah |
| 06:39.53 | Jeeves_Moss | Servus: naaa, I got a good "mouthfull" of that tonight. She has to go to the vets with her parents dog @ 8am, so I got left alone again tonight. LOL |
| 06:40.11 | servus | Eww no more! No more! |
| 06:40.26 | Jeeves_Moss | Hamled: she thought it was bad that I have a pic in my wallet of the rack, then somewhere in the back of the pics is hers. |
| 06:40.36 | isorox | manu, what do you want to do? |
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| 06:40.44 | Hamled | grrr |
| 06:40.46 | xaoc | a tova pyk kak se preveza ebah mama mu :)))) |
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| 06:40.53 | Hamled | (not at you) |
| 06:40.58 | ke6isf | manu: 85-394. |
| 06:41.13 | manu | I saw that in a startup scipt |
| 06:41.17 | Jeeves_Moss | servus: ok, ok. I'm outta here in a few mins anyways. I've got to go install Ubuntu as the second boot on this box. |
| 06:41.20 | Jake | im sorry this isnt the perfect place to ask but ive installed cups on my fresh sarge install and i cant quite get it too work - its almost working so im at a loss as too where too begin hunting with google :( i can print via the lp command instantly, but if i add a document too a printer queue it just never comes out - they are there tho!!!! :'( |
| 06:41.24 | Hamled | ok, here's a good question for you guys, Apt is saying it needs to temporarily remove e2fsprogs, should I put in the override to let it do that, or is it not safe? |
| 06:41.35 | manu | I just need to know if that would do any harm |
| 06:41.43 | ke6isf | !iyhtays manu |
| 06:41.44 | dpkg | manu: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 06:41.46 | servus | Thou shalt not mention ubuntu in #debian |
| 06:41.46 | Guerin | !e2fsprogs |
| 06:41.46 | dpkg | i guess e2fsprogs is if you are getting a messages about Force LoopBreak a likely cause is that you are trying to upgrade pre-stable packages to testing which isnt' supported. you should fully upgrade to the current stable before upgrading to testing,ask me about <force loopbreak> |
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| 06:42.03 | Jeeves_Moss | Hamled: when in doubt, copy the file its about to nuke to somewhere else. |
| 06:42.11 | Hamled | Guerin, guess that solves that |
| 06:42.12 | manu | Iam trying to write a startup script for hald |
| 06:42.22 | jm_ | Jake: add the document to printer queue? |
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| 06:42.40 | xaoc | temida? |
| 06:42.44 | AndroFlux | Err...what does "current stable" mean? I thought stable was frozen, except for security updates...? |
| 06:42.50 | ke6isf | xaoc: I have no idea what you are talking about. |
| 06:42.52 | Hamled | Guerin, so, with apt-get dist-upgrade, does the -t really modify anything, or should I just set the dist in sources.list ? |
| 06:42.56 | xaoc | :) |
| 06:43.00 | xaoc | symbols |
| 06:43.01 | ke6isf | xaoc: Please speak English. |
| 06:43.04 | Jake | jm_, "lpr foo.txt" sits in the queue indefinately with a rank of "active" but using the lp command "lp foo.txt" pops out instantly |
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| 06:43.13 | Hamled | AndroFlux, well, I mean, that factoid can hold for a while |
| 06:43.19 | Jeeves_Moss | ok every one. I'm off to Ubuntu land (and that channel). TTL |
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| 06:43.27 | Jake | lp seems to bypass the queue, the man page doesnt seem very detailed in the manner of mentioning queues on those two commands |
| 06:43.29 | jm_ | Jake: did you install cupsys-bsd? |
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| 06:43.40 | shad0w1e | how do I add "world" to my sources.list ? |
| 06:43.43 | jm_ | no it doesn't bypass anything |
| 06:43.43 | Jake | jm_, just cupssys i think |
| 06:43.47 | Jake | and the cups-client stuff |
| 06:43.52 | jm_ | Jake: well then ... |
| 06:43.57 | ke6isf | shad0w1e: Not sure what you mean there. |
| 06:44.10 | shad0w1e | I'm not getting nearly enough packages. |
| 06:44.22 | ke6isf | shad0w1e: Erm... what version of Debian are you running? |
| 06:44.36 | shad0w1e | heh dont even ask |
| 06:44.49 | ke6isf | shad0w1e: Well, we can't answer any questions without knowing that, now, can we? |
| 06:44.58 | shad0w1e | well its going to be debian stable |
| 06:45.01 | Hamled | "world"... that sounds a lot like some other package system, but I can't place it... gentoo's? |
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| 06:45.11 | shad0w1e | ubuntu? |
| 06:45.17 | ke6isf | shad0w1e: OK, then ask in #ubuntu. |
| 06:45.18 | Hamled | ubuntu? I dunno, haven't used it much |
| 06:45.19 | Flimzy | shad0w1e: What is "world"? |
| 06:45.22 | Jake | jm_, ?? |
| 06:45.26 | jm_ | maybe he means universe |
| 06:45.30 | shad0w1e | yeah i do |
| 06:45.33 | shad0w1e | sorry |
| 06:45.33 | xaoc | or galaxy? |
| 06:45.33 | jm_ | Jake: I already told you what to install |
| 06:45.35 | Hamled | yeah, does kinda sound like ubuntu |
| 06:45.42 | Flimzy | How do I add yum to my package list? :P |
| 06:45.44 | isorox | manu, no idea what hald does, but if you want the script to read the events, the user it runs as must have read access to "event". chmod o+r will do that, not sure how to set permissions on acpi files though |
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| 06:45.47 | shad0w1e | well I'm running debian. |
| 06:45.54 | Hamled | Flimzy, you gotta install emerge first |
| 06:46.06 | ke6isf | shad0w1e: Well, if you're running Ubuntu now, you're running Ubuntu, not Debian. |
| 06:46.08 | xaoc | gentoo |
| 06:46.10 | Hamled | shad0w1e, but you're trying to get unbuntu packages |
| 06:46.12 | caphuso | Flimzy: apt-get install yum |
| 06:46.13 | Jake | jm_, would you mind elaborating on why, and what id did wrong? - is cupsys-bsd a replacement for cupsys ? |
| 06:46.23 | jm_ | Jake: no, read its description |
| 06:46.38 | Flimzy | Hamled: Can I do that with the Install Shield Wizard? |
| 06:46.59 | xaoc | magesnik? |
| 06:47.24 | Hamled | Flimzy, you could, but I'm pretty sure that it's faster if you just buy a custom EEPROM with the data and solder to a random place on your motherboard |
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| 06:47.47 | muttix | lol |
| 06:47.56 | debian1394newbie | first day using Debian. Trying to read data from a 1394 device. Installed CD, loaded libraw1394. Error "This probably means that you don't have raw1394 support in the kernel or that |
| 06:47.56 | debian1394newbie | you haven't loaded the raw1394 module. |
| 06:47.57 | debian1394newbie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:48.02 | xaoc | crystal generator |
| 06:48.15 | Azar | great articles for the new linux users (windows reformats): Linux is Not Windows http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm |
| 06:48.18 | Flimzy | Hamled: Where do I find the motherboard? Is that the thingie behind the LCD panel in my cell phone? |
| 06:48.22 | ke6isf | shad0w1e: That said, even if you add every conceivable mirror to your list, you won't get any more packages than if you had one mirror. You'll just eat up a bunch of disk space. |
| 06:48.31 | Hamled | Flimzy, actually, yes |
| 06:48.48 | Jake | jm_, ok. thanks. hmmm if you read above tho u never instructed me too install it - you asked if i had... a small tip, try and elaborate if your going to help someone :) |
| 06:48.53 | Hamled | but you probably mean "legal pad" when you say "cellphone" |
| 06:48.55 | Azar | what is a 1394? |
| 06:49.05 | ke6isf | !ieee1394 |
| 06:49.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ieee1394 is see 'firewire' |
| 06:49.18 | xaoc | ogin |
| 06:49.24 | jm_ | Jake: you mean you want me to spoon-feed you? |
| 06:49.25 | Azar | ah thanks ke6isf |
| 06:49.25 | xaoc | :) |
| 06:49.31 | ke6isf | Azar: Gladly. |
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| 06:49.32 | debian1394newbie | Azar:libraw1394-1.2.0/ |
| 06:49.45 | Azar | I never used a fireware stuff |
| 06:50.01 | Azar | my boxes are "decent" |
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| 06:50.26 | debian1394newbie | I try not to use it either... |
| 06:51.01 | debian1394newbie | but the upside is free cutting edge video cards... |
| 06:51.21 | Guerin | Hamled: ? |
| 06:51.29 | xaoc | ? |
| 06:51.38 | Jake | jm_, no... im not a mind reader. you didnt help untill i asked what you meant, i never asked you to do anything for me (spoonfeeding?) - im just suggesting if you form a real sentance with an explanation within it and not a sideways comment people may infact understand what your trying too say |
| 06:51.42 | SerajewelKS | why does the 'test' mysql database keep reappearing after i drop it? |
| 06:51.58 | debian1394newbie | so is there a way to test /dev/raw1394 or not? |
| 06:52.06 | Hamled | Guerin, Flimzy and I were having a battle about how can come up with the silliest context upon which to be installing some package, I think... I'm not really sure where it went |
| 06:52.15 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:52.33 | xaoc | bla bla |
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| 06:52.57 | shad0w1e | Hamled, I'm good for now... I was running a DSL Linux hard drive install, but it looks like everything is finally working out. Thanks |
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| 06:53.06 | Hamled | ok |
| 06:53.14 | ke6isf | !ops xaoc |
| 06:53.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: xaoc |
| 06:53.29 | Hamled | oh lord, current stable is using Python 2.1.3 :/ |
| 06:53.38 | dondelelcaro | Hamled: eh? |
| 06:53.43 | dondelelcaro | Hamled: try 2.3 |
| 06:53.44 | Hamled | oh, nm |
| 06:53.48 | Hamled | it was replacing 2.1.3 |
| 06:53.48 | Hamled | with 2.3 |
| 06:53.58 | ke6isf | !tell hamled -about enter |
| 06:54.15 | debian1394newbie | if i cd to the /dev folder, can I |
| 06:54.28 | debian1394newbie | 'do' anything with /dev/raw1394 for the command line |
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| 06:54.35 | Hamled | sorry... I am wondering, however, just how old is the debian image this hosting provider is using |
| 06:54.45 | TML | I'm not quite sure what he's doing wrong... |
| 06:54.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@85.187.221.175] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:54.49 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:54.55 | TML | *shrug* |
| 06:54.56 | Hamled | I mean... 2.1.3... hooboy |
| 06:55.01 | Guerin | i can't see it, either |
| 06:55.15 | Azar | Hamled find out what gcc version is using |
| 06:55.31 | TraceGreen | Hello, i use vnc, can i see the box's cursor type which runs vncserver |
| 06:55.46 | dondelelcaro | xaoc: spend the next 10 minutes figuring out what question you want to ask of #debian; and ask it when you are automatically -b'ed. Otherwise, kindly remain quiet. |
| 06:56.15 | Hamled | Azar, already scrolled past that, but python 2.1.3 was released in 2002 |
| 06:56.49 | samuel | sup all |
| 06:56.54 | Azar | Hamled if it uses gcc 3.x.x is recent if still rund the 2.95 is old |
| 06:57.01 | ke6isf | !all |
| 06:57.01 | dpkg | All: no such nick/channel. Just ask your question, please - ask me about <ask>. a brand of laundry detergent in the United States, and it's not expected that this will answer, either. |
| 06:57.10 | Hamled | Azar, it just "upgraded" to 2.95 |
| 06:57.22 | Azar | Hamled, eh old, maybe woody |
| 06:57.29 | Hamled | probably |
| 06:57.44 | samuel | im trying to remove two old kernel packages, but synaptic keeps getting stuck in the "Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done" line? what could be the problem? |
| 06:58.07 | Azar | samuel why not using apt or aptitude? |
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| 06:58.42 | samuel | Azar: i just havnt yet to say the truth |
| 06:58.46 | Hamled | for someone comfortable with using apt, are there any big advantages to using aptitude? |
| 06:58.57 | dondelelcaro | Hamled: yes. |
| 06:58.59 | Hamled | k |
| 06:59.03 | Azar | samuel: and the truth is? |
| 06:59.08 | Hamled | I'll check it out then |
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| 06:59.19 | samuel | Azar: but wouldnt apt have the same problem? (that was the truth :)) |
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| 06:59.40 | Azar | samuel apt has many ways of doing things |
| 06:59.59 | Azar | but you might be right since I do not know nothing about synaptic |
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| 07:00.43 | Azar | would synaptic be more versatile than apt? |
| 07:00.59 | dondelelcaro | Azar: no. |
| 07:01.24 | ke6isf | Azar: Synaptic is a layer over Apt itself. It's basically graphical aptitude. |
| 07:01.25 | Azar | thanks dondelecaro /me sighs and relaxes |
| 07:01.25 | shad0w1e | anyone know where I can obtain KDE 2.x ? |
| 07:01.32 | dondelelcaro | samuel: run it using apt-get or aptitude, and give us the full output of it using the paster bot. |
| 07:01.51 | dondelelcaro | shad0w1e: that's ancient. |
| 07:01.57 | Azar | ke6isf: ah I see, now I think my 3 years of console pays |
| 07:02.08 | shad0w1e | dondelelcaro, I happen to need ancient |
| 07:02.08 | dondelelcaro | shad0w1e: try archive.debian.org or one of the other mirrors of old stable distributions. |
| 07:02.09 | ke6isf | Azar: Heh =^^= |
| 07:02.20 | dondelelcaro | shad0w1e: why, pray tell? |
| 07:02.22 | shad0w1e | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 07:02.26 | shad0w1e | 64MB ram, thats why |
| 07:02.31 | dondelelcaro | shad0w1e: why run kde at all? |
| 07:02.38 | shad0w1e | because 2.x is pretty nice |
| 07:02.42 | dondelelcaro | hahahaha. |
| 07:02.44 | ke6isf | shad0w1e: RAM is cheap. |
| 07:02.51 | shad0w1e | yes but it still costs money |
| 07:02.59 | shad0w1e | theres something about free, thats really nice |
| 07:03.07 | debian1394newbie | Could someone tell me what tool do you use from the command line to load a module? |
| 07:03.14 | Guerin | !need |
| 07:03.14 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. you do need beer, though. |
| 07:03.21 | dondelelcaro | anyway, you're better off not running kde at all and using openbox or similar instead; but it's your machine. |
| 07:03.27 | jm_ | debian1394newbie: yes, no doubt many people can |
| 07:03.40 | samuel | dondelelcaro: thats odd... apt didnt complain at all, i thought synaptic used apt' |
| 07:03.41 | Azar | I run plain openbox and feels really nice |
| 07:03.42 | samuel | ? |
| 07:03.42 | dondelelcaro | shad0w1e: since those distributions are no longer supported at all, you probably shouldn't hook that machine up to the network either. |
| 07:03.43 | Guerin | kde2 will be chock-full of security risks |
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| 07:04.00 | dondelelcaro | samuel: it uses libapt, but it could have been hanging because it didn't have a tty or something else silly. |
| 07:04.02 | shad0w1e | uch.. so maybe I'll just use fluxbox? |
| 07:04.10 | Guerin | evilwm! |
| 07:04.20 | samuel | dondelelcaro: i see |
| 07:04.28 | Azar | with openbox you can use any programs in X just like you would run it with kde or gnome |
| 07:04.35 | RichiH | shad0w1e: actually, kde 3.0 is using less memory than 2.x |
| 07:04.47 | shad0w1e | RichiH, really? |
| 07:04.52 | RichiH | of course, you need to turn off all eye candy |
| 07:05.00 | shad0w1e | how about 1.0? does that use even more ? |
| 07:05.07 | RichiH | shad0w1e: yes. i had 128 MB back in the days and the difference was noticable |
| 07:05.17 | shad0w1e | will KDE 3.x run on 64? |
| 07:05.18 | RichiH | no idea. but 1.x is fugly |
| 07:05.25 | RichiH | never tried that, sorry |
| 07:05.27 | shad0w1e | its still nicer than fluxbox |
| 07:05.33 | isorox | ! |
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| 07:05.47 | shad0w1e | lol |
| 07:05.50 | RichiH | oi dondelelcaro |
| 07:05.57 | shad0w1e | ok I'm looking to broaden my sources.list |
| 07:06.02 | shad0w1e | right now XFCE wont come up |
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| 07:06.06 | shad0w1e | what do I need to add? |
| 07:06.12 | ke6isf | shad0w1e: apt-setup |
| 07:06.26 | shad0w1e | nothing happened |
| 07:06.27 | Paivakil | shad0w1e: apt-setup |
| 07:06.28 | shad0w1e | another prompt |
| 07:06.36 | ke6isf | shad0w1e: No error either? |
| 07:06.37 | RichiH | yah, there, you add new mirrors |
| 07:06.44 | shad0w1e | no error |
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| 07:06.59 | dondelelcaro | shad0w1e: which version of Debian are you running? what is the exit code of apt-setup? |
| 07:07.20 | shad0w1e | This is damn small linux, hard drive install |
| 07:07.31 | shad0w1e | thats knoppix, which is debian |
| 07:07.32 | dondelelcaro | uh... DSL is not Debian. |
| 07:07.33 | Azar | I guessed he is not running Debian |
| 07:07.38 | dondelelcaro | shad0w1e: see /topic |
| 07:07.41 | ke6isf | shad0w1e: That is not Debian. |
| 07:07.51 | Azar | no apt? no Debian then |
| 07:07.51 | shad0w1e | its debian enough, no! |
| 07:07.55 | shad0w1e | theres apt |
| 07:07.57 | shad0w1e | I used apt-get |
| 07:08.00 | ke6isf | shad0w1e: Nope. It's not Debian. |
| 07:08.04 | debian1394newbie | dpkg: I am still trying to figure that out - was that for me? |
| 07:08.09 | dondelelcaro | shad0w1e: no, it's not; as you can see, apt-setup doesn't work. It's quite obviously not Debian. |
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| 07:08.32 | dondelelcaro | shad0w1e: use d-i to install Debian, then we can help you out. |
| 07:08.39 | shad0w1e | ok thanks |
| 07:08.55 | dondelelcaro | shad0w1e: otherwise, try #damnsmalllinux |
| 07:09.02 | shad0w1e | lol of course, |
| 07:09.11 | shad0w1e | here's the thing. I'm looking to set up a nice linux in 64MB ram |
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| 07:09.14 | rredd4 | or #dsl-chat |
| 07:09.14 | nevyn | sigh |
| 07:09.19 | shad0w1e | any suggestions? |
| 07:09.23 | ke6isf | shad0w1e: Yeah, install Debian. |
| 07:09.28 | dondelelcaro | shad0w1e: it's quite possible to do with Debian. |
| 07:09.33 | shad0w1e | but not KDE... |
| 07:09.40 | dondelelcaro | shad0w1e: so don't install KDE |
| 07:09.50 | samuel | dondelelcaro: ok, it seems that the problem is in the config files??? because the same output is handed out when i try apt with the "--purge" option??? |
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| 07:09.58 | Azar | shad0w1e: no expense, no candy |
| 07:10.06 | dondelelcaro | samuel: give us the full output of the run, and please don't use excess punctuation. |
| 07:10.23 | shad0w1e | gotcha |
| 07:10.29 | samuel | dondelelcaro: in #flood? |
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| 07:10.35 | dondelelcaro | samuel: or using the paster bot |
| 07:10.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell samuel -about paster |
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| 07:10.58 | debian1394newbie | anyone ever get "couldn't get handle: Permission denied" when trying to access a 1394 device? |
| 07:11.29 | Azar | my dad used to tell me when I was just a little boy: a computer is for writing documents, perform calculations and sometimes play games. All this used to happen way back before mswindows came to ruin it all |
| 07:11.53 | samuel | dondelelcaro: cool thing this paster bot, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1532 |
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| 07:12.12 | ke6isf | Azar: Well, they do perform calculations, but the results are more likely to produce, say, IRC clients. =^_^= |
| 07:12.16 | debian1394newbie | the handle is in 1394.h under raw1394_new_handle() |
| 07:12.33 | Azar | ke6isf: haha yes indeed |
| 07:12.46 | dondelelcaro | samuel: that looks fine... does it just get stuck there? |
| 07:12.47 | Azar | ke6isf: back then was usenet, irc is just a replacement |
| 07:12.54 | nevyn | arrg... tinyerp |
| 07:13.08 | samuel | dondelelcaro: still there, it just stays there, and ive let it run for a while now |
| 07:13.19 | debian1394newbie | of version libraw1394-1.2.0 |
| 07:13.21 | samuel | ive tried it a couple of times too |
| 07:13.37 | samuel | its the "--purge" option that does it |
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| 07:14.15 | dondelelcaro | samuel: hrm... well, the kernel shouldn't have any configuration files, so purging it vs. removing it shouldn't make a difference |
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| 07:14.50 | gl1tchy0ne | Question in deb where does the config file reside that always change of default run level after booting? |
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| 07:15.25 | samuel | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks... is there any way to get rid of the record that it does have some configuration files that seems to show up in synaptic every time? |
| 07:15.36 | gl1tchy0ne | *allows |
| 07:15.55 | debian1394newbie | bueller... bueller... bueller |
| 07:16.04 | noiesmo | i am at a lose trying to scp data between two systems have replaced nics, switch, cables and my scp still stalls it indicates transfer at say 200KB/s it starts to drop and the % of file copied stops then it stalls, i have scp'd to 127 on each machine and on achieves 4.5MB/s the other 2.5MB/s, i have adjusted the mtu, there is no collisions reported on either nic. system A say file server system B Client. if i push files from syst |
| 07:16.04 | noiesmo | em A to B speed at 2.4MB/s approx. but if i pull files from B to A it stalls. I need to get files from B to A. |
| 07:16.29 | debian1394newbie | yea, OK... did ya get that memo... |
| 07:17.03 | clistov | anyone know why i can't ./run.bin a file even though it exists and isn't currupt ? |
| 07:17.11 | isorox | chmod +x |
| 07:17.16 | jm_ | noiesmo: sounds like they're misconfigured (the NIC-s), alternatively, scn can work in both directions |
| 07:17.22 | rredd4 | my deb cds r on the way... is it possible to run deb embedded in xp? |
| 07:17.22 | isorox | (to clistov) |
| 07:17.26 | jm_ | scp even |
| 07:17.41 | gl1tchy0ne | Question in deb where does the config file reside that always change of default run level after booting? |
| 07:17.55 | gl1tchy0ne | Question in deb where does the config file reside that allow change of default run level after booting? |
| 07:17.56 | dondelelcaro | samuel: try just dpkg --purge foopkg; if it still fails, let me know. |
| 07:18.08 | dondelelcaro | gl1tchy0ne: /etc/inittab |
| 07:18.09 | isorox | gl1tchy0ne, /etc/inittab? |
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| 07:18.16 | gl1tchy0ne | great thanks |
| 07:18.18 | jm_ | rredd4: maybe you can use it with colinuxm but I doubt it |
| 07:18.18 | dondelelcaro | gl1tchy0ne: it's the same place as every other distribution that uses sysvinit. |
| 07:18.33 | samuel | dondelelcaro: same result |
| 07:18.50 | samuel | seems odd, never has happened before |
| 07:19.16 | samuel | just waits in the "Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done" line |
| 07:19.25 | samuel | ls |
| 07:19.34 | jm_ | someone had that last week, or the week before it |
| 07:19.44 | clistov | isorox: nope still not working |
| 07:19.45 | gl1tchy0ne | dondelelcaro yeah thats true just a little rusty I guess |
| 07:19.52 | noiesmo | jm_ see flood interfaces setup ip dif both systems offcourse hehe |
| 07:20.23 | jm_ | noiesmo: make sure they're using the right speed and duplex setting |
| 07:20.34 | Dewi | where can I find "standard" sources.lists for stable and testing? |
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| 07:21.08 | noiesmo | jm_ both cards report full deplex and auto neg on |
| 07:21.29 | isorox | clistov: type ls -l file.bin, it should be something like -rwxr-xr-x |
| 07:21.58 | jm_ | noiesmo: auto-negotiation is usually the default, but it doesn't really tell what speed they have negotiated |
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| 07:22.46 | noiesmo | jm_, how can i check speed |
| 07:22.58 | gl1tchy0ne | damn so it just says 2-5 are multi user... I dont want x to autoload when I boot, There seems to be no way to do that in /etc/inittab |
| 07:23.45 | fooz | gl1tchy0ne, if you don't want X to start, uninstall your display manager |
| 07:23.56 | fooz | gl1tchy0ne, type apt-get remove xdm gdk kdm wdm |
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| 07:24.02 | fooz | err not gdk.. gdm |
| 07:24.14 | isorox | bit drastic isn't it |
| 07:24.19 | fooz | no. |
| 07:24.27 | isorox | just remove the symlink in /etc/rc3.d/ |
| 07:24.39 | fooz | ?DM's only purpose is to start and manage a display. if you don't want it to start and manage a display, WHY INSTALL IT? |
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| 07:24.47 | fooz | that makes no sense. |
| 07:24.52 | gl1tchy0ne | cool there is that! in RHEL and some SUSE I noticed that in inittab you could select default run level 5 and that was non graphical |
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| 07:25.18 | gl1tchy0ne | no I do want to use x but I dont want it to auto start |
| 07:25.22 | dondelelcaro | samuel: hrm... well, something in the postrm is failing; you can just remove /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-image-XXX.postrm (replace XXX with the exact version that is causing the problem) and it will the purge properly. |
| 07:25.30 | fooz | that will keep it from starting. you don't need ?DM to run X at all |
| 07:25.35 | gl1tchy0ne | and it works removing those for me cause I dont like using them anyway |
| 07:25.38 | fooz | you can start it anytime by logging in as a user and running startx |
| 07:25.40 | dondelelcaro | !tell gl1tchy0ne -about nodm |
| 07:25.49 | samuel | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 07:26.03 | dondelelcaro | gl1tchy0ne: in the future, please ask us your real question instead of asking us questions that you think are related to what you actually want to do. |
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| 07:27.16 | clistov | isorox: -rwx--x--x is what it was |
| 07:27.16 | servus | If I want to view ASCII line art (as on MUDs, etc) in XTerm or Debian, what font can I use? I've installed every single font package, and cannot find anything that will render it! It's very frustrating. |
| 07:27.31 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah cool will do! I know that will save time... So in debian there is no way by using run levels to select no graphical eh? |
| 07:28.17 | isorox | clistov, chmod 755 file.bin |
| 07:28.17 | fooz | of course there is a way. it's just not provided in debian. you have to write the scripts yourself |
| 07:28.27 | fooz | debian didn't do it the way RedHat did it. |
| 07:28.37 | Paivakil | servus: use any fixed width font in xterm |
| 07:28.43 | isorox | gl1tchy0ne, just remove /etc/rc2.d/S99xlogin (or similar) |
| 07:28.56 | fooz | isorox, it'll come back next time the package is upgraded. that's not a proper solution. |
| 07:29.11 | dondelelcaro | gl1tchy0ne: sure there is. It's just not done that way by default, because we leave that up to the user. |
| 07:29.17 | gl1tchy0ne | cool I can see that... The best solution for me is just to remove the DM's because I dont like using them anyway |
| 07:29.53 | gl1tchy0ne | I guess that I am most used to slack as that is what I ran the most and by default it did not startx for you... one had to change it |
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| 07:30.27 | dondelelcaro | well, we figure that if you install it, you actually want to run it... but you can configure it in any way you want. |
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| 07:31.12 | servus | Paivakil: I've tried XTerm. No luck. Got a specific font name? |
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| 07:31.23 | sep | 15 houers of memtest. no errors. any other comprehensive test suite i can run to try to weed out hardware errors ? |
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| 07:31.33 | ootput | does etch gnome feature the god awful changes to gnome-file-chooser? |
| 07:31.37 | fooz | sep, kernel compiles |
| 07:32.00 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah... I looked into choosing seperate packages during install but I had never used it before and the interface was really odd and it did not have good packages to choose from |
| 07:32.07 | gl1tchy0ne | or groups I should say |
| 07:32.10 | gl1tchy0ne | not packages |
| 07:32.40 | jm_ | noiesmo: mii-diag, ethtool |
| 07:32.40 | Paivakil | servus: courier |
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| 07:33.19 | dondelelcaro | ootput: which set of god awful changes? |
| 07:33.35 | dondelelcaro | ootput: there have been at least two separate and distinct ones. |
| 07:33.48 | fooz | the ones which remove the filename entry box are the worst |
| 07:33.57 | ootput | dondelelcaro: namely the navigation method (which is rather limited) |
| 07:33.59 | dondelelcaro | fooz: ^l should still work |
| 07:34.21 | fooz | doesn't do anything |
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| 07:34.37 | dondelelcaro | fooz: which version of gnome-file-chooser? |
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| 07:35.19 | servus | Courier does not render EASCII characters for me. |
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| 07:35.48 | kerneld | grrr.. postfix upgrade fuXored my virtual domains |
| 07:36.28 | fooz | no idea |
| 07:36.35 | kerneld | 554 <..@q..>: Relay access denied |
| 07:36.47 | ootput | dondelelcaro: was that directed at me? |
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| 07:37.39 | tarzeau | !seen seees |
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| 07:37.44 | gl1tchy0ne | First let me say thanks for all the help guys... Next I was wondering if anyone had an answer to why when anyone askes for help they get treated like there idiots? I mean could I have found the answers for the questions that I asked? Hell yes I could have but there are some many people here that already know the answers |
| 07:38.24 | gl1tchy0ne | so maybe you say... well how will you learn if we answer all your questions? and that does raise a good point... |
| 07:38.31 | tarzeau | 17:53 < tarzeau> help, i got: Unable to change virtual machine power state: Failed to connect to peer process. |
| 07:38.35 | tarzeau | 17:53 < tarzeau> with 5.5.1 |
| 07:38.37 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:38.38 | tarzeau | (of vmware) |
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| 07:38.55 | G | is the d-i team the maintainers of baseconfig? |
| 07:39.11 | ootput | gl1tchy0ne: most times, documents already exist that can help |
| 07:39.20 | tarzeau | G: you can check with apt-cache show pkg | grep ^Maint |
| 07:39.33 | ootput | gl1tchy0ne: but i haven't been following your issue, so i don't really know what else to say |
| 07:39.41 | G | tarzeau, i'm actually currently in the middle of base-config |
| 07:39.47 | G | tarzeau, otherwise i would have done that |
| 07:40.06 | tarzeau | G: which file? what pkg? |
| 07:40.14 | tarzeau | Maintainer: Debian Install System Team <debian-boot@lists.debian.org> |
| 07:40.31 | G | great |
| 07:41.27 | gl1tchy0ne | but alas I know that I am waisting my time by even mentioning this because it never really changes... People come and try to ask some simple questions and get dumped on... not that I really did or anything but being condisending is not becoming of anyone |
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| 07:41.59 | gl1tchy0ne | so anyway thats my piece or my 2 cents and yes I know where I can stick it |
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| 07:43.12 | clistov | isorox: nope, still says : No such file or directory |
| 07:43.18 | servus | Paivakil: Courier does not render EASCII line art successfully for me. Do you have an actual configuration setting that has been verified to work? |
| 07:43.25 | clistov | isorox: even though i'm looking at the file it's the full thing and it's not corrupt |
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| 07:43.49 | fooz | gl1tchy0ne, get what you pay for I guess |
| 07:43.49 | isorox | clistov, type "file foo.bin" |
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| 07:44.23 | gl1tchy0ne | indeed but there is no need for this: |
| 07:44.46 | gl1tchy0ne | <dpkg> dondelelcaro wants you to know: Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to |
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| 07:45.10 | fooz | gl1tchy0ne, uh.. that explains exactly the solution to your problem |
| 07:45.34 | fooz | gl1tchy0ne, so are you saying.. you WANT us to be unhelpful, offtopic jackasses |
| 07:45.50 | fooz | i don't get it. |
| 07:45.56 | gl1tchy0ne | well that is the general session for IRC right? LOL and no |
| 07:45.57 | clistov | isorox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 07:46.57 | gl1tchy0ne | I guess that I am saying IMO being large as it is... that one should not automatically assume someone knows nothing |
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| 07:47.48 | gl1tchy0ne | The idea of removing the Desktop Managers did occur to me I just wanted to make sure that there was not other config method to accomplish the same thing |
| 07:48.00 | jm_ | and you should not assume that you're entitled to be helped |
| 07:48.06 | gl1tchy0ne | I do not |
| 07:48.10 | gl1tchy0ne | that is why I ask |
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| 07:48.30 | gl1tchy0ne | and do not say "OMFG I am noob someone pleaz take pitty on me" |
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| 07:49.02 | Paivakil | servus: does not Xterm have a font selection dialog? |
| 07:49.03 | fooz | gl1tchy0ne, it was probably a correct assumption. Two people bothered to help you, without being rude at all, without yelling RTFM at you, and even explained why Debian does things the way it does (multiple times) |
| 07:49.07 | liable | gl1tchy0ne: i dont understand, you asked a question, the bot told you an answer, as its much easier for us to use the bot, than answer the same question over ad nauseum |
| 07:49.10 | fooz | gl1tchy0ne, and you're complaining? |
| 07:49.11 | Paivakil | (I do not use xterm) |
| 07:49.30 | tarzeau | Paivakil: no it doesn't |
| 07:49.38 | gl1tchy0ne | I asked a question and I do greatly appreciate the answer that I got as it confirmed what I needed to know |
| 07:49.39 | tarzeau | Paivakil: but you can tell it with -fn |
| 07:49.46 | tarzeau | Paivakil: Terminal.app has got a font selection dialog |
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| 07:49.51 | gl1tchy0ne | I was not complaining mearly sharing my thoughts |
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| 07:50.41 | gl1tchy0ne | I guess that I have found in the "Linux" world that people are so uncool about helping people and I just really hate seeing that |
| 07:51.03 | fooz | Oh well, not that I care. The people I billed $480 for today for taking a few hours to show them how to send faxes don't complain about me. |
| 07:51.09 | servus | Paivakil: It does not, but even when doing an xterm -fa "Courier" it is of no use. I have installed every single font package, and tried every one out from the Konsole font selector. |
| 07:51.11 | tarzeau | gl1tchy0ne: you can use Debian GNU/kFreeBSD or Hurd! |
| 07:51.22 | gl1tchy0ne | I was not souly speaking about my question as is why I said "Not that I really did or anything" |
| 07:51.22 | servus | Nothing will render EASCII characters : o/ |
| 07:51.27 | tarzeau | gl1tchy0ne: they are more helpful than those Linux 1337 people! |
| 07:51.42 | G | gl1tchy0ne, it's kinda true..... but it's not representitive of the whole community |
| 07:51.46 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah leet people are cool but to leet is bad |
| 07:51.47 | servus | Google is absolutely useless. It does not seem to be a common problem at all (though it's happened on ALL my Debian installations), and nobody seems to know what I'm talking about |
| 07:51.53 | tarzeau | gl1tchy0ne: go bitch about how unfriendly #debian is in #debian-devel |
| 07:52.00 | ongeboren | mmm, gnome 2.12 made it to unstable ? :) |
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| 07:52.17 | tarzeau | ongeboren: is packages.debian.org still down? |
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| 07:52.37 | ongeboren | no idea.. i use ftp.belnet.be |
| 07:52.50 | tarzeau | ongeboren: is there no ftp.be.debian.org ? |
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| 07:53.03 | tarzeau | it's the saem |
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| 07:53.16 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah I have had my share of bad experiences man and I just hate seeing it happen cause I think we are loosing a lot of cool people cause of the way they get treated |
| 07:53.25 | gl1tchy0ne | again not saying that was really me |
| 07:53.41 | tarzeau | gl1tchy0ne: who is loosing what cool people? |
| 07:53.42 | hborger | could anyone recommend an X terminal application with tabs support, so I don't have to have many xterm's open, and I prefer non kde/gnome apps. I have been browsing freshmeat but I can't seem decide |
| 07:53.53 | tarzeau | hborger: use gnu screen |
| 07:53.53 | ongeboren | i usually use ftp.bg.debian.org as it's 2 hops away :) |
| 07:53.59 | fooz | gl1tchy0ne, nobody wronged you in any way whatsoever. Even when you came into here repeating your question over and over (which is against the channel rules) |
| 07:54.01 | sep__ | gl1tchy0ne, it's not that nyone hates helping anyone, but since we all have our dayjobs here helping someone uses of our own time, time that we might use earing our pay. ofcouse we could all quit irc in #debian, but that would hurt the comunity alot. i dont think it's harsh or rude that people try a tiny bit before asking in irc. reading /usr/share/doc, googleling and reading the topic should be the bare minimum before asking. after all they et free help in he |
| 07:54.01 | sep__ | re. and since nothing is free it's actualy we who try to help that take the cost |
| 07:54.03 | ootput | gl1tchy0ne: the survivors are worth keeping |
| 07:54.17 | ootput | gl1tchy0ne: this isn't a politically-correct world |
| 07:54.17 | tarzeau | tabs are wrong |
| 07:54.43 | hborger | tarzeau, thank you. I would however still prefer tabs over screen for now |
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| 07:55.26 | Dewi | does anyone have any information on whether and how aptitude interprets /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 07:55.27 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah output I agree with that man I do crappy tech support all day and thus I think is where I get my since of morals about the subject |
| 07:55.39 | Dewi | aptitude seems quite willing to install packages where I set priority to -1 (disable) |
| 07:55.51 | gl1tchy0ne | probably not a good thing |
| 07:55.52 | fooz | gl1tchy0ne, Do you have a Debian-related question we can help you with? |
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| 07:56.04 | Dewi | ... I mean, if I specifically ask it to |
| 07:56.04 | fooz | Dewi, do you MOO by any chance? |
| 07:56.16 | Dewi | fooz: a bit |
| 07:56.19 | fooz | Dewi, weyrmount? |
| 07:56.20 | servus | Doing things like xterm -font -*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-18-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-* or xterm -font -*-courier-*r**-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-* et al does NOT help. Does no one have my problem, or even notice it? : o/ |
| 07:56.21 | gl1tchy0ne | No man you already did and again I am greatful for the answer that was given |
| 07:56.29 | Dewi | fooz: yeah, who are you? |
| 07:56.30 | servus | Menus in things like elinks also look terrible |
| 07:56.31 | tarzeau | hborger: sorry then, there's no good terminal with tabs that i know |
| 07:56.34 | fooz | Dewi, wouldn't you like to know :) |
| 07:56.39 | _max_ | Having abit of trouble with one of my mdadm's , not having so much experience id apreciate some advice, i moved a mdadm containing 8 drives in raid5 format from one server to another, when trying to assembel it again it kicked out /dev/sdh1 , i read the man page, remove id, and readd it, its now added as a hotspare though =/ the server started syncing the drive but i had to turn it of over the night, now when i boot it again i get the following error: m |
| 07:56.39 | fooz | Dewi, just kidding. i'm DSM |
| 07:56.48 | tarzeau | hborger: besides imagine there's expose for whatever windowmanager, would suck for every app with tabs... |
| 07:57.05 | Dewi | fooz: aaah |
| 07:57.14 | gl1tchy0ne | anybody else us wmaker? I have not used it since like slack 3 something and it was pretty cool |
| 07:57.15 | Dewi | fooz: it's been quite a while since you showed me ipchains |
| 07:57.29 | fooz | hehe |
| 07:57.46 | tarzeau | gl1tchy0ne: yes |
| 07:58.02 | tarzeau | gl1tchy0ne: it's gotten utf8 and aa font rendering |
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| 07:58.06 | streuner | fooz: wtf is 'DSM'? |
| 07:58.10 | fooz | streuner, me |
| 07:58.16 | tarzeau | gl1tchy0ne: fits nicely into GNUstep, but still has many inconsistencies |
| 07:58.20 | Dewi | streuner: another name he has |
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| 07:58.30 | servus | So I suppose that everyone else here has no problem seeing ASCII line art, straight out of the box? : o/ |
| 07:58.42 | tarzeau | servus: in x or console? |
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| 07:58.53 | tarzeau | servus: it depends on the fonts.. and the man console_codes settings |
| 07:58.59 | tarzeau | servus: check gnu.ethz.ch/issue |
| 07:59.21 | rredd4 | is this sarge? Debian 3.1 R1 (2 DVD-R Set) $12.99 ok price to buy dvd's? |
| 07:59.26 | tarzeau | servus: esc(U is helpful |
| 07:59.36 | tarzeau | servus: tried tetradraw ? |
| 07:59.37 | jm_ | hborger: mrxvt |
| 07:59.38 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah sounds about right... I just got done installing it and am running on it now... seems pretty cool! I cannot say enough good things about debs package management system man it kicks ass |
| 07:59.42 | rredd4 | or can i get it cheaper |
| 07:59.43 | fooz | streuner, we've MUDded at the same place for like 7 years, I just noticed his nick / /whois looked familiar, hehe |
| 07:59.47 | Dewi | so anyone know how aptitude treats etc/apt/preferences, if at all? |
| 07:59.48 | servus | X, and I've installed every single font and tried every single font out |
| 07:59.52 | tarzeau | rredd4: hmmm only if internet is more expensive |
| 07:59.54 | sep | rredd4, you can download and burn it yourself |
| 07:59.58 | servus | The font's look changes, but it never renders EASCII |
| 07:59.59 | tarzeau | rredd4: and if you already got DVD drive |
| 08:00.04 | streuner | rredd4: compare it to windows, how much would you spent to XP...? |
| 08:00.06 | gl1tchy0ne | servus yeah I just grabbed a MUD and it seems to work fine |
| 08:00.09 | rredd4 | sep: dialup here |
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| 08:00.17 | ootput | i used to love the dockaps |
| 08:00.18 | fooz | Dewi, i set priorities of things I really don't want to -999 but that's the limit of my experimentation |
| 08:00.20 | tarzeau | rredd4: tried www.debian.org/CD/vendors ? |
| 08:00.25 | Dewi | fooz: seven? argh. It occurs to me that for me it's almost ten. I'm getting old. |
| 08:00.25 | ootput | the bubblefishmon one, in particular |
| 08:00.28 | servus | tetradraw is broken |
| 08:00.33 | fooz | Dewi, i lost count :) |
| 08:00.35 | tarzeau | ootput: heh my duck :) |
| 08:00.45 | tarzeau | servus: no it's not. what's broken about it? |
| 08:00.46 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah I really like the dockapps as well what do you use now ootput? |
| 08:00.47 | rredd4 | tarzeau: thats where i was.. yup |
| 08:00.47 | servus | It is extremely frustrating, because no one seems to even know what I'm talking about >.< |
| 08:00.51 | servus | I'll show.. |
| 08:00.53 | fooz | Dewi, I think i joined the dragons in 97 maybe |
| 08:00.56 | fooz | or 98 |
| 08:00.58 | Dewi | fooz: according to the manual -1 is enough to make it not install, and that seemed true in apt-get, but in aptitude I can just go and specifically select a version and it installs with no complaints, despite the -1 |
| 08:01.01 | ootput | gl1tchy0ne: ion3 mate |
| 08:01.02 | streuner | rredd4: costs are mainly shipping... |
| 08:01.03 | tarzeau | servus: yeah make a screenshot |
| 08:01.04 | jm_ | Servo888: starting with you? |
| 08:01.08 | jm_ | servus ^^^^ |
| 08:01.20 | rredd4 | is this sarge? Debian 3.1 R1 (2 DVD-R Set) |
| 08:01.25 | streuner | yes |
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| 08:01.31 | fooz | Dewi, ahh. I haven't used that file though since before I used aptitude |
| 08:01.32 | ootput | yes |
| 08:01.40 | sep | rredd4, get a mate, friend or total stranger with broadband to download and burn for you |
| 08:01.41 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.43 | tarzeau | rredd4: yes very probably |
| 08:01.45 | fooz | Dewi, so I can't be of much help |
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| 08:01.47 | Dewi | fooz: basically I want 99% stable, 1% testing |
| 08:01.49 | streuner | rredd4: 3.1 R1 is sarge |
| 08:02.03 | Dewi | fooz: but I don't want to accidentally get any more testing than that |
| 08:02.05 | raf256 | hi |
| 08:02.13 | tarzeau | streuner: it could be labeled wrong consisting porn |
| 08:02.15 | Dewi | fooz: same with backports, though I'm not using any here yet |
| 08:02.17 | rredd4 | sep: i want the dvds |
| 08:02.29 | gl1tchy0ne | A tiling tabbed window manager designed with keyboard users in mind. Website:, http://www.iki.fi/tuomov/ion/. Ebuilds: ... |
| 08:02.29 | tarzeau | streuner: i don't trust labels on storage media |
| 08:02.32 | raf256 | my friend installed windoze, which overfucke^Hwrited the MBR, now debian (2nd partition) do not boot. what is the easiest way to fix it? |
| 08:02.34 | fooz | Dewi, I've just run unstable for the last 3 years :D |
| 08:02.43 | streuner | tarzeau: hehe |
| 08:02.43 | tarzeau | raf256: at least that can be fixed. easily |
| 08:02.50 | gl1tchy0ne | Oops... that seems cool little to sparse for me tho |
| 08:02.55 | tarzeau | raf256: for example with ms-sys or grub |
| 08:03.02 | raf256 | tarzeau: how, what is the best way? |
| 08:03.03 | ootput | tarzeau: it was yours? |
| 08:03.07 | streuner | tarzeau: lesbian debian? ;-) |
| 08:03.10 | tarzeau | raf256: i use livecd.gnustep.org for these things |
| 08:03.16 | raf256 | tarzeau: well how to run grub? knoppix? debian net install-cd got a rescue mode? |
| 08:03.18 | tarzeau | ootput: only the duck, yes. |
| 08:03.19 | Dewi | fooz: I run testing at home, but I run a LAMP type server at work. stable plus backports, and a pinch of testing |
| 08:03.25 | ootput | tarzeau: :D |
| 08:03.28 | servus | tarzeau: http://sammatthews.com/images/Miscellaneous/konsole.png |
| 08:03.31 | tarzeau | raf256: debian rescue mode suck, imho |
| 08:03.33 | rredd4 | tanks all! |
| 08:03.37 | sep | streuner, probably a sub project :) |
| 08:03.45 | raf256 | tarzeau: what exacly I do then? chroot into /mnt/part_with_debian, then grub-install /dev/hda2 ? |
| 08:03.46 | servus | jm_: I've had the problem for years, and have asked in here every couple of months, to silence |
| 08:03.54 | tarzeau | raf256: www.linuks.mine.nu/grub/ |
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| 08:04.03 | ali | hey guys, a samba question. I've got samba set up, and it works i can |
| 08:04.05 | ali | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.08 | tarzeau | raf256: that's another possibility, yes |
| 08:04.08 | ali | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.11 | ali | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.16 | servus | Same thing in konsole and xterm, no matter what font or font-encoding I use./ |
| 08:04.32 | tarzeau | servus: yeah your font sucks |
| 08:04.37 | servus | Not to mention the incredible slowness of xterm and konsole |
| 08:04.39 | tarzeau | servus: and your terminal sucks too! |
| 08:04.42 | servus | tarzeau: It's that way on ALL fonts |
| 08:04.46 | tarzeau | servus: xterm is'nt slow |
| 08:04.50 | servus | My xterm doesn't even have a menu at all :| |
| 08:04.58 | tarzeau | servus: know ctlr+ mouse clicks on xterm? |
| 08:04.59 | Paivakil | servus: is it possible that problm is your locale? |
| 08:05.02 | tarzeau | servus: yes it has |
| 08:05.03 | sep | ali wild guess : perhaps set browseable on ? |
| 08:05.06 | tarzeau | servus: you just don't know xterm |
| 08:05.08 | Paivakil | try using the unicode font in konsol |
| 08:05.16 | tarzeau | servus: all xterms have menus. but most people just don't know it |
| 08:05.24 | tarzeau | because they are lazy and don't read manuals |
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| 08:05.31 | raf256 | yeh I wonder, if I create a debian-based distro, small but usable for some market, can I earn serious money on that? |
| 08:05.38 | raf256 | without having big comapny behind me =) |
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| 08:05.45 | servus | OK, found the magical and secret XTerm menu, and selected "Line Drawing"... to no avail |
| 08:05.48 | tarzeau | raf256: i don't think so |
| 08:05.54 | raf256 | tarzeau: damn |
| 08:05.59 | fooz | probably not. you'd need a team of people to manage a distro like this |
| 08:06.06 | tarzeau | servus: that's something else, try different fonts |
| 08:06.09 | fooz | but you're allowed to try |
| 08:06.12 | tarzeau | servus: for example the "lime" font works good |
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| 08:06.16 | tarzeau | servus: apt-cache search lime |
| 08:06.18 | raf256 | fooz: not really, it would be a branch of debian |
| 08:06.27 | tarzeau | servus: xfonts-artwiz - x11 fonts created by Artwiz, TigerT, and Daniel Erat |
| 08:06.28 | servus | Paivakil: I don't see how. i've tried different fonts AND different fontencodings. I even tried xfontsel and found a suitable line-drawing font, but when I try to use it, it doesn't draw lines! |
| 08:06.31 | tarzeau | servus: and then xterm -fn lime |
| 08:06.34 | Paivakil | raf256: ``can I earn money using debian'' is a question I will not answer - it depends on your ability |
| 08:06.37 | raf256 | fooz: actually it will be a debian but with preinstalled other things |
| 08:06.38 | NoboruKun | I have an annoying question |
| 08:06.40 | sep | raf256, you coudnt sell the software, but if you fill a very needy niche market you could sell them support :) |
| 08:06.42 | tarzeau | servus: not all fonts have the dos lines |
| 08:06.51 | Paivakil | Debian will not come running after you seeking royalties, that is for sure |
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| 08:06.56 | fooz | raf256, you mean it's a few extra packages? heh |
| 08:06.58 | tarzeau | servus: they are just vga shit |
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| 08:07.09 | raf256 | fooz: yes, few improvments |
| 08:07.13 | newjunk | im trying to get mplayer. and it's giving me : Package mplayer is not available, but is referred to by another package. ? |
| 08:07.14 | Dewi | could anyone assist me in using multiple package sources with aptitude? |
| 08:07.23 | tarzeau | NoboruKun: we can't read mind |
| 08:07.27 | servus | tarzeau: It works fine in a hard console (not X), and they are not DOS-exclusive. Even elinks relies on them for a lot of things. |
| 08:07.31 | sep | !tell newjunk about mplayer |
| 08:07.37 | raf256 | can I sell CDs with debian + my modyficasions? I only have to provide access to sources? |
| 08:07.50 | NoboruKun | hi tarzeau |
| 08:07.51 | tarzeau | servus: i said they are an invention of VGA |
| 08:07.53 | fooz | man i've got so much crap on my computer.. i really need to back it up |
| 08:08.04 | tarzeau | servus: nothing about dos. dos just doesn't change the font if you don't tell it to |
| 08:08.07 | Dewi | raf256: probably. You probably couldn't pass it off as 'debian' though |
| 08:08.08 | servus | They work fine on non-VGA consoles in DOS and in Linux |
| 08:08.09 | tarzeau | servus: i TOLD YOU TO USE THE LIME FONT |
| 08:08.13 | sep | fooz, one of the famous last words :) |
| 08:08.13 | NoboruKun | Has Debian introduced firewall from fbsd ? |
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| 08:08.15 | tarzeau | servus: LIME HAS THE UGLY LINES |
| 08:08.16 | servus | I'm using it... |
| 08:08.23 | isorox | woohoo, an etch dist-upgrade that seems to have gone fairly well :D |
| 08:08.24 | tarzeau | servus: good what's the problem now? |
| 08:08.40 | tarzeau | servus: it depends what font and mode you have in the linux console |
| 08:08.40 | gl1tchy0ne | so answer or go tell me to search either way... whats the easiest way to update to run a 2.6 kernel? I did change my source list to include testing but not unstable |
| 08:08.42 | servus | Same exact thing, but the lines aren't as slanted ;-) |
| 08:08.50 | tarzeau | servus: even the architecture and linux kernel configuration matters |
| 08:09.11 | tarzeau | gl1tchy0ne: that's a bad idea |
| 08:09.17 | tarzeau | gl1tchy0ne: you can use 2.6 kernels with sarge |
| 08:09.25 | tarzeau | gl1tchy0ne: better to use sid than testing |
| 08:09.38 | gl1tchy0ne | ah... that sounds about right |
| 08:09.39 | tarzeau | servus: make another screenshot |
| 08:09.54 | ootput | gl1tchy0ne: http://metawire.org/~ootput/gallery/screenshots/fullsize/060104_ion3-cluttered.png |
| 08:10.03 | servus | Ah, xset fp rehash helped |
| 08:10.10 | gl1tchy0ne | sid = stable in development? just a wild guess cause it more fun than google |
| 08:10.17 | servus | Finally! Thank you. Lime seems to be the only thing to make it work. Let's see if I can get it on Konsole now... |
| 08:10.24 | sep | gl1tchy0ne, i'd use one from backports and not mix sarge/sid sources |
| 08:10.29 | jm_ | servus: it works in any terminal emulator ... |
| 08:10.35 | tarzeau | gl1tchy0ne: no |
| 08:10.36 | ootput | gl1tchy0ne: it's the destructive kid next door |
| 08:10.43 | servus | Konsole has funny font selection, jm_ |
| 08:10.45 | ootput | gl1tchy0ne: in toystory |
| 08:10.51 | Dewi | why is it that aptitude seems to be able to ignore the pinning I have defined in /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 08:10.53 | sep | !toy story |
| 08:10.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, toy story is The release names for the Debian distribution are named after characters from "Toy Story", the computer-animated movie. buzz == 1.1, rex == 1.2, bo == 1.3, hamm == 2.0, slink == 2.1, potato == 2.2, woody == 3.0, sarge == 3.1, etch == ?.?, or ask me about "release history", or <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>, or sid used to be the version used for newly-ported arch'es, but now it's unstable |
| 08:10.54 | tarzeau | gl1tchy0ne: it's they neighborhood guy from the movie toy story that destroys all toys |
| 08:11.02 | gl1tchy0ne | wow thats pretty bad |
| 08:11.15 | tarzeau | gl1tchy0ne: no, it's pretty funny |
| 08:11.19 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah seen that... its that bad huh |
| 08:11.27 | jm_ | servus: it might not let you select bitmapped fonts, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig and enable bitmapped fonts and see if it helps |
| 08:11.28 | ootput | no, it's quite clever |
| 08:11.31 | tarzeau | it's not bad at all |
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| 08:11.34 | ootput | at least you won't forget |
| 08:11.38 | hborger | i found one |
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| 08:11.40 | sep | gl1tchy0ne, it's pretty descriptive actualy. sid is highly voilatile :) |
| 08:11.49 | hborger | xterminal /osworks/oscillation for xfce4.2 |
| 08:11.49 | gl1tchy0ne | OMG I cannot believe that I never got that |
| 08:11.59 | hborger | its quite minimal plus tabs |
| 08:12.06 | tarzeau | someone can convert this to something that i can watch?http://www.cs.und.edu/~rfillion/appleintelad.mov |
| 08:12.26 | hborger | tarzeau, i keep a cheap/spare windows machine around just for these purposes |
| 08:12.28 | tarzeau | ootput: your background picutre is sooo ugly |
| 08:12.44 | ootput | tarzeau: :) |
| 08:12.54 | ootput | i had better ones in the other screenshots |
| 08:12.57 | tarzeau | ootput: try www.linuks.mine.nu/jakub/ or gnu.ethz.ch/walk_lady.jpg |
| 08:12.58 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah no Ion3 seems pretty cool and I know some poeple that are extreamly keyboard bound |
| 08:13.04 | fooz | unfinished projects.. argh |
| 08:13.08 | Supaplex | what's the bind/bind9 command that validates zonefiles so they're not ignored/break etc? |
| 08:13.12 | ootput | i thought i'd use debblue for the new year |
| 08:13.25 | tarzeau | hborger: can you convert it? |
| 08:13.28 | newjunk | shouldn't i be able to apt-get install vlc? |
| 08:13.30 | tarzeau | Supaplex: there's some ns lint tools |
| 08:13.48 | ootput | tarzeau: downloading it |
| 08:13.58 | tarzeau | ootput: irc.m ? |
| 08:14.01 | servus | Thank you, tarzeau and jm_. I will hopefully be able to Google the rest (Konsole has a limited selection of blessed fonts for you to use) |
| 08:14.15 | fooz | a 1/3 finished version of LambdaMOO with multiple ownership.. 3Dfx Glide halfway-support for OpenBSD.. enough to port Torque Game Engine to OpenBSD too.. |
| 08:14.29 | ootput | tarzeau: ah, no, they're just terminal titles that I use for winprops + frame allocation in ion3 |
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| 08:15.24 | clistov | what are the possible solutions to fixing a .bin file that won't execute ? I've run chmod +x file.bin and tried ./file.bin and receive No such file or directory |
| 08:15.25 | tarzeau | ootput: doesn't look like irssi... |
| 08:15.32 | ootput | crashes mplayer, tarzeau |
| 08:15.37 | tarzeau | clistov: file the.bin says what? |
| 08:15.39 | clistov | even though the file is their it's complete and not corrupt |
| 08:15.54 | clistov | ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 08:15.59 | clistov | i'm on a 64bit machine |
| 08:16.00 | gl1tchy0ne | so what is the safe way to go about using 2.6? maybe I should google this cause it's a bit more indepth huh? I am used to slack and just DL the source from kernel.org and compile and make the image blaw blaw.... |
| 08:16.04 | clistov | should still be able to run that |
| 08:16.06 | ootput | tarzeau: i have scripts executed up the whazoo |
| 08:16.09 | tarzeau | clistov: haha |
| 08:16.14 | tarzeau | clistov: are you sure? |
| 08:16.24 | clistov | tarzeau: yes, because i did it on my other machine |
| 08:16.38 | tarzeau | clistov: same kernel? same hardware? |
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| 08:16.47 | neuterspay | Can I find Firefox on a repository URL? |
| 08:16.54 | tarzeau | neuterspay: yes |
| 08:17.41 | clistov | tarzeau: new kernel |
| 08:17.44 | liable | gl1tchy0ne: /msg dpkg reference (has a lot of good stuff for the new debian user) |
| 08:17.45 | neuterspay | tarzeau: I've tried googling it, help? |
| 08:17.50 | clistov | tarzeau: only added smp and hyper threading though |
| 08:17.53 | neuterspay | Alright |
| 08:17.53 | neuterspay | thanks |
| 08:17.59 | clistov | tarzeau: shouldn't effect it. |
| 08:18.07 | sep | gl1tchy0ne, i would have used backports.org it's been rather stable and working well (atlest it was on woody) |
| 08:18.26 | newjunk | how do i fix this,? GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B90 |
| 08:18.30 | tarzeau | neuterspay: yes |
| 08:18.43 | liable | newjunk: topic |
| 08:18.44 | tarzeau | neuterspay: you have ever used apt? |
| 08:18.53 | ootput | that's marillats |
| 08:19.04 | liable | ew, so it is.. |
| 08:19.11 | streuner | heh |
| 08:19.19 | liable | newjunk: visit his web page and it tells you how to add it. |
| 08:19.35 | sep | !tell newjunk about marillat key |
| 08:19.56 | neuterspay | tarzeau, sorry - yeah... I use it. |
| 08:20.29 | neuterspay | tarzeau: I know how to edit sources.list, just not how to add a firefox repository to my list but I'm a dumbass if it's on Debian's URL. |
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| 08:20.37 | neuterspay | Cause it's mozilla-firefox and not firefox. Yeah I'm good. |
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| 08:21.11 | tarzeau | neuterspay: firefox exists in sid |
| 08:21.18 | tarzeau | neuterspay: how do you think shall we know what you have? |
| 08:21.22 | gl1tchy0ne | so so sep is there any way to do that with kpkg? I have never done a new kernel on debian yet... just starting using 3 days ago |
| 08:21.25 | tarzeau | yes it has firefox. |
| 08:21.34 | ootput | but it doesn't hurt to get it from getfirefox |
| 08:21.36 | tarzeau | and no, firefox is the worst crap of software i've ever seen |
| 08:21.41 | tarzeau | ootput: yes it does |
| 08:21.43 | neuterspay | How come? |
| 08:21.52 | tarzeau | neuterspay: get it and find out |
| 08:22.07 | ootput | tarzeau: the gnome-file-chooser integration is deplorable |
| 08:22.12 | neuterspay | How come konqueror's better? |
| 08:22.15 | tarzeau | ootput: it's horrible |
| 08:22.16 | neuterspay | Or - why do you like it? |
| 08:22.21 | tarzeau | ootput: and remote x usage is unusable too |
| 08:22.30 | tarzeau | ootput: the lockfiles are a nightmare |
| 08:22.31 | ootput | tarzeau: are you a dillo man? |
| 08:22.41 | tarzeau | ootput: more links2 -g, but dillo too yes |
| 08:22.48 | tarzeau | ootput: or OmniWeb when i'm on OPENSTEP |
| 08:22.55 | Supaplex | for one, the user input handling is enough to drive one insane. selecting text in an input box is obnoxious |
| 08:22.59 | nvz | dillo sounds too much like a sex toy |
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| 08:23.04 | fooz | it is |
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| 08:23.16 | sep | gl1tchy0ne, backports.org is a precompiled |
| 08:23.22 | tarzeau | nvz: file a bug report :) |
| 08:24.01 | nvz | heh, bug 246071: Name sounds too much like dildo |
| 08:24.09 | tarzeau | LOL |
| 08:24.14 | gl1tchy0ne | cool so I just need to add backports.org to my sources.list file right? and if so what is the exact url if you could? |
| 08:24.24 | nvz | I made that shit up of course |
| 08:24.31 | ootput | deb backports.org/debian |
| 08:24.45 | gl1tchy0ne | awesome thanks ootput |
| 08:24.51 | ootput | you may want to set up pinning too |
| 08:24.52 | jm_ | backports.org web page explains how to do it |
| 08:25.03 | ootput | i think those pages are inaccessible |
| 08:25.15 | ootput | no wait, nvm |
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| 08:26.14 | gl1tchy0ne | k so I still use kpkg? or aptget first then kpkg? sorry for all the questions man I really should have just googled |
| 08:26.29 | tarzeau | !make-kpkg |
| 08:26.29 | dpkg | somebody said make-kpkg was the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 08:26.59 | ootput | gl1tchy0ne: make-kpkg would be towards the end of the kernel-build/install procedure |
| 08:27.10 | sep | gl1tchy0ne, browse to backports.org and read the docs for crying out load |
| 08:27.18 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah will do! |
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| 08:28.52 | gl1tchy0ne | so while I am reading that how does sources.list no which mirror to pull kernel-package from when there are several? |
| 08:29.44 | gl1tchy0ne | damn I cannot type |
| 08:29.48 | gl1tchy0ne | or spell |
| 08:29.56 | sep | gl1tchy0ne, sources.list know nothing its just a list of sources. |
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| 08:30.45 | servus | Restarting X helped :> |
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| 08:30.58 | sep | apt/aptitude pick the newest on based on version number. and you dont want that to happen with backports.org you must prevent grabbine _all_ of backports so you need to read the doc there to learn how to do it right. |
| 08:31.03 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah I figured that out |
| 08:31.09 | gl1tchy0ne | sorry |
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| 08:31.22 | sep | :) |
| 08:31.37 | ootput | :[] |
| 08:31.40 | ringu | :D |
| 08:32.01 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah will edit the pref file as said on the site...hehehe silly me |
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| 08:33.49 | nvz | gl1tchy0ne: why would you pull kernel-package from anything but your own distro? |
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| 08:34.48 | gl1tchy0ne | well when I did that I was using slack and they pretty well run a stock kernel anyway to the best of my knowlegde and that is extremly limited of course |
| 08:35.17 | jm_ | how exactly is it limited? |
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| 08:35.42 | mattfury | ? |
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| 08:36.03 | nvz | kernel-package is merely a tool for building debian kernel packages has nothing to do with the kernel or the source itself |
| 08:36.29 | gl1tchy0ne | so does one have to create the 'preferences' file for apt or is it the 70debconf file? |
| 08:36.39 | caphuso | gl1tchy0ne: yes. no. |
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| 08:36.50 | nvz | the source as always is available from kernel.org without dipping into other disrtos |
| 08:37.11 | gl1tchy0ne | caphuso? |
| 08:37.17 | caphuso | gl1tchy0ne! |
| 08:37.24 | jm_ | :) |
| 08:37.43 | gl1tchy0ne | what was the yes no? |
| 08:37.50 | nvz | it was both |
| 08:37.51 | liable | question 1,2 |
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| 08:37.58 | liable | duh! :P |
| 08:37.59 | caphuso | yes, you do have to create it. no, it's not the 70debconf file |
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| 08:38.08 | nvz | granted that was only one question with a logical OR |
| 08:38.09 | gl1tchy0ne | ah I understand now |
| 08:38.31 | gl1tchy0ne | man you guys are on a whole different level of understanding for 1:30 in the morning |
| 08:38.45 | nvz | its 3:38am here |
| 08:38.51 | tarzeau | gl1tchy0ne: they don't all live in the same timezone like you |
| 08:38.53 | caphuso | nvz: uhm, if my non-logical answer confused, what do you think the correct one would have done to his brain? |
| 08:38.54 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 08:38.54 | dpkg | somebody said debstats was managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 08:39.07 | nvz | caphuso: heh |
| 08:39.15 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah this i know but unless they are along ways away it is within a couple of hours |
| 08:39.37 | liable | gl1tchy0ne: there are lots, a long way away.. |
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| 08:39.57 | sep | gl1tchy0ne, 09:40 :) |
| 08:39.59 | gl1tchy0ne | man thats kinda harsh caphuso... boo hoo I feel butt hurt now |
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| 08:40.08 | gl1tchy0ne | nice sep am or pm? |
| 08:40.12 | ringu | 8:36 GMT now |
| 08:40.28 | sep | gl1tchy0ne, who knows... we use 25 h clocks |
| 08:40.32 | sep | 24 :P |
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| 08:40.44 | sep | am is in the morning |
| 08:40.48 | sep | probably |
| 08:40.49 | gl1tchy0ne | ah I was going to ask where the 25 was created |
| 08:41.08 | liable | circadian clocks :) |
| 08:41.11 | sep | gl1tchy0ne, our planet rotatates slower then yours :P |
| 08:41.11 | ringu | it would be 25hr/day, somedays |
| 08:41.25 | gl1tchy0ne | 30 hrs would be better |
| 08:41.31 | gl1tchy0ne | more time to get stuff done |
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| 08:41.44 | sep | but you'd die younger :) |
| 08:41.55 | liable | more time to drink beer! |
| 08:41.59 | gl1tchy0ne | hey live fast and die young I am alright with that |
| 08:42.01 | ootput | but you'd drink quite early |
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| 08:42.06 | ringu | when GOD create the eirth, it's 10hr/day |
| 08:42.16 | ringu | earth |
| 08:42.23 | nvz | you'd make less money too |
| 08:42.29 | ootput | early retirement |
| 08:42.48 | nvz | laws dont change with time |
| 08:42.53 | ringu | 8 hr for work, 2 hr for sleep |
| 08:42.56 | gl1tchy0ne | so where does sources.list look for the pref file at? |
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| 08:43.17 | nvz | gl1tchy0ne: \wtf makes you think the sources.list looks for a pref file? |
| 08:43.21 | ootput | we'd be living in space by the time we have > 24 hour days |
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| 08:43.45 | sep | i am quating from the doc you have just read !!! "to your /etc/apt/preferences " |
| 08:43.54 | caphuso | gl1tchy0ne: man apt_preferences |
| 08:43.55 | doubleukay | where can i download old debian ISOs |
| 08:44.04 | gl1tchy0ne | k will look at man file |
| 08:44.05 | tarzeau | doubleukay: from mirrors that have it |
| 08:44.06 | doubleukay | woody, to be exact |
| 08:44.12 | ootput | 'work' would involve acts of vandalism in the biodome |
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| 08:44.37 | tarzeau | doubleukay: ftp://ftp.ch.debian.org/mirror/debian-cd/2.2_r7 |
| 08:44.42 | sep | ootput, actualy we would be extinct by then |
| 08:44.46 | nvz | nothing like using obsolete software with exploits |
| 08:44.55 | doubleukay | thanks tarzeau |
| 08:45.05 | ootput | doubleukay: is this for a low-end machine? |
| 08:45.11 | tarzeau | nvz: not everyone needs network |
| 08:45.18 | ootput | because you could always use something other than debian |
| 08:45.25 | tarzeau | ootput: like? |
| 08:45.30 | nvz | tarzeau: blasphemy! |
| 08:45.33 | ootput | win 3.1 |
| 08:45.33 | ringu | for example? |
| 08:45.37 | tarzeau | ootput: DIE! |
| 08:45.40 | doubleukay | lol. |
| 08:45.41 | ootput | ;) |
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| 08:46.00 | locus | how difficult is it to install a specific version of libc6? lots of binaries are linked to it as it seems, means most packages would need to be rebuild from source, right? |
| 08:46.03 | doubleukay | i need to reinstall this system, but don't wanna migrate too many things, so.. woody i'm sticking with. |
| 08:46.12 | tarzeau | locus: don't ask |
| 08:46.29 | liable | locus: save yourself the pain, and dont. |
| 08:46.37 | tarzeau | doubleukay: the longer you wait, the harder the update will be |
| 08:46.40 | ringu | ootput, do you mean the v86 mode? |
| 08:47.04 | ootput | it's gotta be enhanced |
| 08:47.07 | locus | thanks tarzeau, liable .. i already thought it'd be hard |
| 08:47.09 | ootput | we're power users, after all |
| 08:47.21 | locus | looks like i have to install fedora then :( |
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| 08:47.46 | tarzeau | locus: yes go install fedora |
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| 08:48.00 | ootput | locus: no offense, but that's a retarded contingency plan |
| 08:48.15 | ootput | offence, even |
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| 08:48.39 | liable | the first one was right wasnt it? |
| 08:48.50 | kapil | locus: perhaps you need to explain why you want a specific version of libc6. |
| 08:48.52 | terr_ | does anyone have good hands on experiance with tar - specifically setting intelligent values for -b?? Also I'd like to know the interaction with "mt blah setblk ??" |
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| 08:49.37 | locus | i need to run a binary on it that has been compiled on a fedora distro as it seems |
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| 08:50.19 | gl1tchy0ne | damn read the man page for apt-get and saw the section about apt_preferences but it did not make any damn since... the problem is I am to used to doing things one way |
| 08:50.20 | ootput | locus: can't you find the source? |
| 08:50.34 | locus | nah its from a commercial product, thats the problem |
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| 08:50.50 | zinx | locus: what's the actual problem you're having with it? |
| 08:50.52 | ootput | gl1tchy0ne: you mean, 'quickly?' |
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| 08:51.27 | zinx | locus: actual error messages are helpful, but use paster if they're more than one line |
| 08:51.44 | locus | libc6 complains about: symbol _rtld_global_ro, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 08:51.49 | SimonRaven | !paster |
| 08:51.49 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 08:52.05 | gl1tchy0ne | no manually... slackware had no real package management... and at the same time I get your joke ootput and quite the opposite. |
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| 08:52.31 | ootput | gl1tchy0ne: swaret and slapt-get, or something of the sort |
| 08:52.35 | ootput | gl1tchy0ne: but yes, you're right |
| 08:52.35 | newjunk | Doe's this look right? /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 08:52.36 | apenguin | is it any possible way to install debian remotly on the same harddisk? |
| 08:52.45 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah aftermarket crap that half works |
| 08:52.50 | gl1tchy0ne | and breaks stuff most of the time |
| 08:53.15 | ootput | gl1tchy0ne: now i understand your situation |
| 08:53.16 | Supaplex | gl1tchy0ne: but slacks package management is the operator :) |
| 08:53.29 | zinx | locus: which debian release, and which version of libc is installed? |
| 08:53.35 | kapil | newjunk: seems ok. |
| 08:53.56 | ootput | newjunk: not if neither locations exist ;) |
| 08:54.01 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah and I also broke my fair share of crap... but still not as much as slapt-get and swarez of which both i tried before switching to debian |
| 08:54.09 | gl1tchy0ne | :) |
| 08:54.10 | ootput | newjunk: should format-type be auto? |
| 08:54.25 | locus | zinx, debian 3.1 with libc6 2.3.2 |
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| 08:54.39 | kapil | newjunk: some dvd's may be ufs. |
| 08:54.59 | zinx | locus: ok, i'm going to do something i really really shouldn't do here |
| 08:55.02 | apenguin | is debian is available in bootable 2.6 kernel |
| 08:55.16 | zinx | locus: you might try downgrading to testing -- that has a newer libc6 |
| 08:55.17 | dondelelcaro | apenguin: yes. |
| 08:55.21 | ootput | zinx: *cocked and aiming* |
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| 08:55.44 | kapil | newjunk: s/ufs/udf/ |
| 08:55.46 | nvz | apenguin: yes on both accounts |
| 08:56.05 | zinx | locus: i'm only assuming switching to testing is better than switching to fedora though; you should make your own decision on the matter :) |
| 08:56.22 | locus | zinx, yes i was thinking about that too..looks like testing has v2.3.15. I'll try that before I reinstall the os |
| 08:56.25 | doubleukay | found some archives at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 08:56.34 | ootput | locus: a reinstallation would be best |
| 08:56.38 | zinx | locus: 2.3.5 has the symbol that binary is looking for |
| 08:57.12 | locus | zinx, thats alot, i'll try it then |
| 08:57.21 | apenguin | nvz: which one testing or woody |
| 08:57.32 | ootput | skipped one |
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| 08:57.48 | zinx | locus: just be aware that if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces :) |
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| 08:58.04 | zinx | !tell locus about stable->testing |
| 08:58.11 | ootput | apenguin: woody boot media won't include 2.6 |
| 08:58.23 | dondelelcaro | locus: you may also want to consider just installing a testing chroot for the special purpose of runing this application instead of upgrading. |
| 08:58.33 | zinx | ja, that's true |
| 08:58.35 | nvz | apenguin: umm neither? |
| 08:58.54 | nvz | apenguin: how about sarge, which is the current stable |
| 08:59.18 | Deviad | Hello |
| 08:59.24 | ootput | g'day |
| 08:59.27 | locus | dondelelcaro, im gonna try that |
| 08:59.29 | dondelelcaro | locus: a mkdir prop_soft; debootstrap testing prop_soft; chroot prop_soft fooprogram; is basically what you need. |
| 08:59.49 | apenguin | ootput: ok but when i m doing using serge then it is not working ? |
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| 08:59.55 | Deviad | Can anyone tell me whether there's something like rc.local into Debian? I need it for adding a shell command on boot. |
| 09:00.03 | ootput | apenguin: what ain't? |
| 09:00.08 | dondelelcaro | locus: if the debootstrap to testing fails, you may need to debootstrap sarge, then chroot and upgrade... but it probably will work. |
| 09:00.15 | neuterspay | I don't have a new version of firefox... is this because I'm using stable? |
| 09:00.19 | dondelelcaro | Deviad: what is this shell command going to do? |
| 09:00.32 | chou-chou | deviad: /etc/init.d/ and update-rc.d |
| 09:00.32 | dondelelcaro | neuterspay: yes. if you want a newer version, get a backport from somewhere like backports.org |
| 09:00.49 | nvz | neuterspay: why do you need a new version? |
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| 09:01.09 | Deviad | nice netsplit men |
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| 09:01.14 | ringu | what's up? |
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| 09:01.29 | Deviad | ringu, it's called netsplit |
| 09:01.36 | ootput | oJoJoJ |
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| 09:01.50 | G | dondelelcaro, it's more fun with +J |
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| 09:02.02 | dondelelcaro | if you care, get a client that elides netsplits and joins, like irssi. |
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| 09:02.51 | ringu | lol body |
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| 09:03.15 | ringu | hello? |
| 09:03.26 | ootput | yeah mate, we're still kickin |
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| 09:04.30 | ootput | ringu: /name |
| 09:04.30 | terr | does anyone have good hands on experiance with tar - specifically setting intelligent values for -b?? Also I'd like to know the interaction with "mt blah setblk ??" |
| 09:04.44 | ringu | /name? |
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| 09:09.11 | ootput | have any of you tested gnash? |
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| 09:10.48 | gl1tchy0ne | damn it should not be this hard to update to a 2.6 kernel... hell slack was easier then this |
| 09:10.52 | Dewi | things like publication dates and comments would be handy to keep |
| 09:11.07 | jm_ | it's trivial to install 2.6 kernel in Debian |
| 09:11.14 | levander | I know I didn't directly install the mpg321 package myself. Anyone got an idea what other package may have installed it? |
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| 09:11.41 | ootput | mp3blaster, or any other audio player? |
| 09:11.55 | nvz | levander: apt-get remove mpg321 would tell you |
| 09:12.02 | jm_ | mp3blaster doesn't need mpg321, but something either depends on it or suggessts/recommends it |
| 09:12.10 | ringu | mpg123/mpg321 +1 |
| 09:12.30 | ootput | jm_: yeah, it was just a hunch :) |
| 09:12.32 | levander | nvz: yeah, i tried that with the --simulate option, it didn't warn me about removing a dependency for another package |
| 09:12.43 | Dewi | gl1tchy0ne: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686? |
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| 09:12.55 | nvz | levander: you can choose not to remove it, but just doing that will show what depends on it.. do it without simulate it requires confirmation anyhow |
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| 09:12.56 | gl1tchy0ne | why jm is it trivial? |
| 09:13.00 | levander | ootput: i'm using mplayer and know i have xmms installed, anybody know if it was one of those two? |
| 09:13.09 | jm_ | gl1tchy0ne: because it's the same as installing any other package |
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| 09:13.25 | ootput | levander: it's not xmms |
| 09:13.28 | gl1tchy0ne | but it is not in stable right? |
| 09:13.30 | levander | nvz: but nothing came up with i simulated it. It didn't say anything depended on it |
| 09:13.34 | ootput | levander: i'm not sure about mplayer |
| 09:13.35 | jm_ | yes it is |
| 09:13.44 | gl1tchy0ne | oh well that makes more since then |
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| 09:14.03 | gl1tchy0ne | I guess i should really get around to looking into what is where |
| 09:14.11 | gl1tchy0ne | is there an easy way to do that? |
| 09:14.21 | jm_ | yes -- /msg dpkg search |
| 09:14.27 | jm_ | learn how to find what is available |
| 09:14.43 | gl1tchy0ne | cool |
| 09:14.49 | ringu | ? |
| 09:14.53 | kapil | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.54 | nvz | levander: then remove it or run deborphan on it |
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| 09:15.17 | jm_ | kapil: stable doesn't have yaird |
| 09:15.26 | nvz | levander: you mauy have removed the package that pulled it in already |
| 09:15.37 | nvz | levander: this is why there is dewborphan and debfoster |
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| 09:15.47 | liable | or aptitude.. |
| 09:15.47 | levander | nvz: maybe i did, i've used grip before, i wonder if grip pulled it in |
| 09:15.55 | kapil | jm_: ah. i missed the point. yes on stable it is indeed trivial. |
| 09:16.14 | nvz | !depends grip |
| 09:16.19 | dpkg | grip: depends on libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcdparanoia0 (>= 3a9.8-11), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libcurl3 (>= 7.15.0-1), libesd0 (>= 0.2.35) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.35), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.9), libgcrypt11 (>= 1.2.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), ... |
| 09:16.30 | nvz | levander: nope |
| 09:16.32 | kapil | jm_: as long as one avoids upgrading to testing in the process. |
| 09:16.55 | gl1tchy0ne | cool so I can just apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 and it will give me a default 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:17.11 | levander | nvz: i guess what i was wondering is if there was some kind of error in the "depends" section of the deb files, but i'd be surprised if I found it, think i'm just gonna remove that package |
| 09:17.23 | kapil | gl1tchy0ne: yes. that is how it is supposed to work and it has worked for me on a number of machines. |
| 09:17.25 | levander | nvz: thanks for the advice while i was confused though, helped me get out of it |
| 09:17.30 | jm_ | kapil: yeah I think he only has stable in sources.list |
| 09:17.46 | jm_ | gl1tchy0ne: did you check if that's the right kernel for your CPU? |
| 09:17.55 | gl1tchy0ne | well I do currently I added the others and commented them out until i need them |
| 09:18.35 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah i686 should be good that works with my proc |
| 09:19.15 | gl1tchy0ne | do they have all the diffs like 386,486,586,686 and so on? |
| 09:19.34 | jm_ | do "/msg dpkg search" and find out how to find out |
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| 09:20.12 | gl1tchy0ne | tried that jm it just messaged user dpkg |
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| 09:20.23 | jm_ | gl1tchy0ne: and dpkg replies back ... |
| 09:20.29 | Reilithion | hi all. |
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| 09:20.35 | jm_ | ohh maybe it's registration thing |
| 09:20.41 | jm_ | !+search |
| 09:20.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache ... |
| 09:20.45 | gl1tchy0ne | I am a dumb ass! yeah just did notice it |
| 09:20.47 | jm_ | gl1tchy0ne ^^^^^^^ |
| 09:20.51 | gl1tchy0ne | hehehe |
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| 09:21.09 | boguh | hi, i just changed the ispell locale to german, as i switched back to english, it still uses the german dictionary |
| 09:22.15 | ootput | Dewi: did you find that podcatch solution? |
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| 09:22.43 | Supaplex | does debian's package of apache support ipv6? |
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| 09:22.59 | kwikky23 | hey debian....i need a little help |
| 09:23.14 | kwikky23 | just downloaded the latest i386 netinstall boot cd |
| 09:23.21 | Reilithion | I've been getting "NO_PUBKEY" errors from ftp.debian.org mirrors.kernel.org and http.us.debian.org . Is anyone else getting these? |
| 09:23.26 | kwikky23 | and have burned it twice and it seems corrut |
| 09:23.28 | Supaplex | Reilithion: topic |
| 09:23.55 | Reilithion | Supaplex, thanks. thought I checked the topic. guess I'm blind |
| 09:24.15 | Supaplex | Reilithion: selective vision :) |
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| 09:24.31 | kwikky23 | i'm getting a failure at "load installer components from CD" |
| 09:25.00 | sep | kwikky23, where you got the cd image you should also find a checksum., check your downloaded image against the checksum, and also check your burned cd against the checksum |
| 09:25.05 | Guerin | Supaplex: it has an ipv6 debtag, so I presume so |
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| 09:25.18 | ootput | kwikky23: alt-F4 |
| 09:25.24 | ootput | or was it F5.. it's been a while |
| 09:25.29 | kwikky23 | sep...how do i check the downloaded image against the checksum? |
| 09:25.31 | nvz | gl1tchy0ne: really? you being a dumbass was the first thing I noticed :P j/k |
| 09:26.00 | ootput | kwikky23: md5sum -c ..md5sum |
| 09:26.17 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah well I have my moments... rather often hehehe |
| 09:26.41 | kwikky23 | unfortunately...i'm on a windows machine at the moment any tips on checking it from Winblowz? |
| 09:26.55 | gl1tchy0ne | so to find file use 'apt-cache search? |
| 09:27.00 | jm_ | kwikky23: get fsum from slavasoft.com |
| 09:27.08 | jm_ | gl1tchy0ne: no, read it again |
| 09:27.17 | michael__ | I currently run a debian only system with no other OS'es running on it. But I'd like to create a partition on my HDD to install XP (yes guys, I have to). How can I make this and create that dual boot machine? |
| 09:27.37 | jm_ | michael__: you can create it in XP installer |
| 09:27.52 | Guerin | ecch, I wouldn't trust the xp installer |
| 09:27.56 | nevyn | he needs to create free space |
| 09:28.06 | sep | michael__, the easy way is to install a additional harddrive. otherways use gpartd to resize and _HAVE BACKUPS_ !! |
| 09:28.11 | michael__ | jm_: but I need to create free space, plus partition, do I? |
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| 09:28.25 | jm_ | michael__: yeah if your existing partitions use all the space,then you have to do that first |
| 09:28.27 | michael__ | sep: yes, I dont want any data loss |
| 09:29.11 | sep | michael__, then get a additional harddrive. myself im not to fond of resizing i'v had success 6 out of 10 times and that's a gamble imho |
| 09:29.16 | ootput | sync it remotely |
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| 09:29.24 | Nirgal | michael__: xp install will fuck up your master boot record too, just be ready for reinstalling lilo,grub or something on it |
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| 09:29.40 | runer | hi all |
| 09:29.49 | runer | i have a debian but i can`t run my soundcard |
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| 09:29.52 | runer | so please help me |
| 09:29.58 | ootput | michael__: you'd need to familiarise yourself with chroot |
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| 09:30.03 | Guerin | runer: what card, what kernel? |
| 09:30.34 | sep | runer, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 09:30.36 | gl1tchy0ne | runer... yeah what he said |
| 09:30.42 | runer | Guerin: Linux runer 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 09:30.53 | runer | Guerin soundcar is Soundblaster live 5.1 |
| 09:31.06 | justin420 | hi, anybody help me with adding a |
| 09:31.09 | gl1tchy0ne | so what is -smp after cpu arch type? |
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| 09:31.23 | justin420 | partition to fstab properly? |
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| 09:31.28 | michael__ | sep: hm, apt cant find a package gpartd and the cache doesn't come up with a search reply |
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| 09:31.39 | jm_ | gl1tchy0ne: package description explains it |
| 09:31.45 | ootput | symmetric multiprocessing, glitch |
| 09:32.02 | Guerin | runer: as root: echo -e "snd-emu10k1\nsnd-pcm-oss" >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 09:32.03 | ootput | gl1tchy0ne: ^ |
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| 09:33.03 | gl1tchy0ne | thats ootput and jm.. stupid damn acronyms |
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| 09:33.14 | gl1tchy0ne | *thanks |
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| 09:33.39 | kwikky23 | OK...just ran the checksum on the iso i downloaded and it came back OK |
| 09:33.54 | jm_ | gl1tchy0ne: "If you have a multi-processor, ...", "SMP (symmetric multi-processing)", ... |
| 09:34.19 | kwikky23 | trying to install debian on an older compaq PIII notebook....it boots from the CD, but it fails at around 93% on the CD integrity check |
| 09:34.39 | jm_ | kwikky23: check other consoles for details |
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| 09:35.06 | Reilithion | thanks, all |
| 09:35.06 | G | etch beta1 or sarge? |
| 09:35.12 | gl1tchy0ne | right... yeah I wish i did |
| 09:35.19 | G | kwikky23, ^ |
| 09:35.31 | kwikky23 | the ./pool/main/k/kernel-images-2.6.8-i386/kerel..blahblah fails the md5 check on the cd-rom integrity check |
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| 09:35.47 | ootput | kwikky23: alt+F4 |
| 09:36.02 | jm_ | might indicate it has troubles reading the CD |
| 09:36.03 | kwikky23 | cute ootput |
| 09:36.09 | kwikky23 | very cute |
| 09:36.16 | ootput | what? |
| 09:36.24 | kwikky23 | alt+f4? |
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| 09:36.55 | kwikky23 | what's that going do? |
| 09:37.02 | robin_sz | morning .. how do I find out which package provide eps2pdf?? |
| 09:37.14 | tarzeau | usually over packages.debian.org |
| 09:37.21 | ootput | it was my much earlier suggestion to get more verbose output during the installation |
| 09:37.28 | tarzeau | oh provides, .. |
| 09:37.34 | gl1tchy0ne | all right lets see if I can break something! |
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| 09:37.47 | kwikky23 | oh...sorry...i thought you were trying to play a windows joke on me....apologies |
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| 09:38.06 | ootput | i'm over it |
| 09:38.11 | kwikky23 | :) |
| 09:38.19 | robin_sz | sigh ... apt-cache search seems not to be doing it ... |
| 09:38.21 | alain__ | good morning every body |
| 09:38.22 | tarzeau | robin_sz: apt-cache showpkg |
| 09:38.27 | robin_sz | ahh |
| 09:38.40 | tarzeau | robin_sz: but eps2pdf isn't like www-browser |
| 09:38.41 | kwikky23 | alt+f4 on the install hasn't yielded much useful information |
| 09:38.49 | tarzeau | robin_sz: packages have a Provides: but you mean the binary file, right? |
| 09:39.16 | robin_sz | eh, there is no package eps2pdf .. this I know, its a command in some package of another name ... |
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| 09:39.32 | alain__ | do you know a pcmcia wifi card g compatible ? with debian |
| 09:39.43 | kwikky23 | hrmmm....could it be older CD-ROM reader having a problem with CD-rom burned at 16x speed on newer system? |
| 09:40.02 | tarzeau | kwikky23: yes |
| 09:40.09 | liable | kwikky23: could have just been a bad write or cd. |
| 09:40.10 | ootput | several belkin wifis |
| 09:40.17 | jm_ | robin_sz: /msg dpkg search |
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| 09:40.20 | tarzeau | liable: or cd media |
| 09:40.25 | kwikky23 | burned it twice....both times it boots and gets to 93% and fails |
| 09:40.29 | tarzeau | liable: ah what you said |
| 09:40.34 | liable | yep :) |
| 09:40.36 | tarzeau | kwikky23: replace drive |
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| 09:40.50 | ootput | :) |
| 09:40.51 | kwikky23 | not an option....non available and too expensive |
| 09:40.53 | jm_ | kwikky23: you could check if the ISO image is OK |
| 09:41.02 | ootput | kwikky23: is net-install viable? |
| 09:41.39 | liable | kwikky23: or try burning it slower. |
| 09:41.43 | Wharf | can someone help me foward port 22 from windows to a debian machine |
| 09:41.53 | Wharf | Using a shared internet connection here |
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| 09:42.13 | tarzeau | Wharf: #windows |
| 09:42.14 | liable | Wharf: that would be a question for windows people. |
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| 09:42.27 | tarzeau | Wharf: on debian you can use simpleproxy |
| 09:42.38 | runer | Guerin: still not working ... |
| 09:42.50 | gl1tchy0ne | damn apt-get says it cannot find linux-image-2.6-686 wtf? |
| 09:43.00 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 09:43.00 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 09:43.02 | liable | gl1tchy0ne: kernel-image |
| 09:43.09 | Guerin | runer: what does that give ^ ? |
| 09:43.26 | ootput | gl1tchy0ne: don't specify the version + revisions |
| 09:43.39 | gl1tchy0ne | and that will pull 2.6 |
| 09:43.47 | gl1tchy0ne | ?? |
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| 09:44.04 | liable | gl1tchy0ne: kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 09:44.10 | gl1tchy0ne | oh I see |
| 09:44.19 | robin_sz | so let me get this right, if you want to know what package owns a binary you have installed, thats doable, but to find a package that willprovide a particualr binary not yet installed the only way is packages.debian.org .. and thats down right? |
| 09:44.26 | liable | gl1tchy0ne: you have sarge yes? |
| 09:44.34 | jm_ | robin_sz: no |
| 09:44.36 | runer | Guerin: when i try to use xmms say: please check if your soundcard is configured propertly, you have the correct output pluggin selected, no other program is blocking your soundcard |
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| 09:44.40 | kapil | robin_sz: there is apt-file |
| 09:44.45 | gl1tchy0ne | yes have sarge |
| 09:44.57 | sep | robin_, or apt-file |
| 09:45.08 | kapil | gl1tchy0ne: my mistake. it should have been kernel-image-2.6-686 for sarge. |
| 09:45.19 | Guerin | runer: don't do that; do what I told you. /msg dpkg soundcheck if you need to see it again. |
| 09:45.43 | gl1tchy0ne | cool I am not the only person that makes mistakes w00t! I feel better |
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| 09:46.39 | kapil | gl1tchy0ne: koan 3.1415..: he who does not make mistakes will never learn. |
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| 09:47.13 | ootput | obscure |
| 09:47.13 | runer | Guerin: bash: /vmlinuz: Permission denied |
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| 09:47.31 | ootput | runer: you'd need to be in the audio group |
| 09:47.53 | terr | does anyone have good hands on experiance with tar - specifically setting intelligent values for -b?? Also I'd like to know the interaction with "mt blah setblk ??" |
| 09:48.25 | Guerin | runer: ok. Output of cat /proc/asound/cards; cat /etc/modules; lsmod; on paster |
| 09:48.28 | Guerin | !paster runer |
| 09:48.28 | dpkg | runer: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 09:49.08 | robin_sz | sep: apt-file command not found |
| 09:49.16 | Wharf | How do i find the ip of my debian machine? |
| 09:49.19 | Dewi | ootput: nope, I didn't |
| 09:49.20 | Wharf | on the netowrk |
| 09:49.21 | gl1tchy0ne | Kapil truer words were never spoken... batman begins "why do we fall?" "so that we can learn to get up" |
| 09:49.21 | sep | robin_sz, you must install apt-file first ofcouse |
| 09:49.23 | jm_ | !tell robin_sz -about installit |
| 09:49.34 | Dewi | ootput: I'm wishing I knew perl a little better so I could put something together |
| 09:49.52 | Dewi | ootput: nothing seems to organise the downloaded data in such a way that it is accessible via metadata |
| 09:50.12 | robin_sz | well, installed, but still no clue what package provides eps2pdf |
| 09:50.21 | crypt-ex | I am trying to add a port range to my iptables firewall, /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i $INT -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -p tcp --dport 2106-2706 j- ACCEPT. This does not work, but I do need to the range 2106-2706 added. Anyone had much experiance in iptables? |
| 09:50.34 | sep | robin_sz, man apt-file |
| 09:50.41 | jm_ | you must also do one more step that dpkg mentioned ... |
| 09:51.10 | jm_ | crypt-ex: iptables has multiport module |
| 09:51.17 | int_21h | i need help, which one here is for debian > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=235&package_id=253&release_id=378940 |
| 09:51.45 | crypt-ex | crypt-ex, ah, this needs to be installed before I can do 2106,2706 in my IPtables script? |
| 09:51.52 | beta_ | crypt-ex: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 2106:2706 -j ACCEPT |
| 09:51.57 | crypt-ex | ah |
| 09:51.58 | crypt-ex | : |
| 09:52.20 | jm_ | and it supports portranges, such as port1:port2 |
| 09:52.23 | ootput | int_21h: none natively |
| 09:52.29 | ootput | int_21h: perhaps alien can help |
| 09:52.35 | jm_ | !tell crypt-ex -about itpables tutorial |
| 09:52.42 | crypt-ex | ah it works ta |
| 09:52.54 | runer | Guerin: This content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/1533. |
| 09:53.16 | crypt-ex | jm_, I know how to operate IPtables....was asking about a specific part which I had just forgot. Thanks all the same. |
| 09:53.23 | Wharf | How do i find the ip on linux for my machine on a local network? |
| 09:53.40 | int_21h | ootput, ok tnx |
| 09:53.55 | Guerin | runer: holy fuck you have a ton of shit in /etc/modules |
| 09:53.58 | ootput | runer: quite a few modules |
| 09:54.08 | beta_ | Wharf: ifconfig |
| 09:54.16 | gl1tchy0ne | holy sh*t that was easy... now runing 2.6-8-2! |
| 09:54.21 | ootput | or how Guerin said it |
| 09:54.35 | Wharf | beta_, command not found |
| 09:54.43 | beta_ | eh? |
| 09:54.44 | Guerin | runer: try modprobe -r audio; |
| 09:54.59 | sep | Wharf, it's a sbin tool use /sbin/ifconfig |
| 09:54.59 | Wharf | ahh |
| 09:55.03 | Wharf | forgot to su |
| 09:55.24 | runer | runer:/# modprobe -r audio |
| 09:55.24 | runer | runer:/# |
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| 09:55.41 | sep | Wharf, dont need to su to just look at the ip's only to alter. but you must then type exact path |
| 09:55.43 | ootput | runer: out of curiosity, taking your lsmod output into consideration, how many of those modules do you actually use? |
| 09:55.47 | Wharf | Only showing 127.0.0.1 |
| 09:55.53 | beta_ | gl1tchy0ne: That's an old kernel.. |
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| 09:56.10 | kapil | Guerin, runer: module audio is already loaded according to what runer pasted. |
| 09:56.13 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah but its better then 2.4 |
| 09:56.14 | runer | i don`t know ... |
| 09:56.16 | robin_sz | sigh ... and even after an update it findeth not eps2pdf :( |
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| 09:56.28 | ootput | runer: well apparently :) |
| 09:56.29 | Wharf | There should be one starting with 192 |
| 09:56.31 | Wharf | or somthing |
| 09:56.49 | Guerin | kapil: hence modprobe -r, to unload it |
| 09:56.58 | Guerin | runer: try the soundcheck again |
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| 09:57.12 | beta_ | Wharf: dhclient |
| 09:57.18 | kapil | Guerin: sorry. missed the "-r". |
| 09:57.28 | Paivakil | what is the equivalent of exim+fetchmail+mutt for reading newsgroups? |
| 09:58.07 | Wharf | It's listing loads of stuff with 255.255.255.255 |
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| 09:58.15 | Wharf | Still listing |
| 09:58.20 | Dewi | Paivakil: reading newsgroups is a lot simpler than the mail system you just described |
| 09:58.29 | robin_sz | ahh fuck, its epstopdf not eps2pdf |
| 09:58.31 | Wharf | Stopped now. |
| 09:58.33 | Dewi | Paivakil: normally you just get a news client |
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| 09:58.45 | Wharf | Didn't show the address i was looking for though :( |
| 09:58.48 | Paivakil | well, installing suck does not help me - I know I am misconfiguring something |
| 09:58.56 | Wharf | I wonder if i connect to irc it can be found though that |
| 09:58.58 | gl1tchy0ne | runer does debian use alsamixer? could the master be muted? I haven't really been following the conversation so might have already covered this |
| 09:59.02 | Wharf | on the server it's self |
| 09:59.14 | beta_ | Wharf: Then you have to set ip statically |
| 09:59.26 | beta_ | The server do not have net now. |
| 09:59.36 | sep | Wharf, are you sure the interface is configured ? ifconfig -a to show all interfaces |
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| 09:59.50 | EdLin | Paivakil: you ordinarily don't want suck |
| 09:59.57 | Paivakil | Dewi: actually suck + nn |
| 10:00.00 | gl1tchy0ne | I know from personal experience muting and not being in the audio group are the two most common issues |
| 10:00.02 | Wharf | Well, i got an internet connection to that computer, shared though |
| 10:00.05 | Wharf | and irc access |
| 10:00.25 | Wharf | Realy speaking, i'm trying to get my modem running directly on it. |
| 10:00.32 | Wharf | Rather than sharing a connection |
| 10:00.45 | beta_ | Strange, since you said that ifconfig only reported 127.0.0.1. |
| 10:00.45 | jm_ | Paivakil: nget can fetch them |
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| 10:00.51 | Wharf | Trying to foward port 22 so advanced users can have a bash at it |
| 10:00.55 | Paivakil | ok, so to read news, I do not need any server software here |
| 10:00.55 | Zugschlus | Paivakil: leafnode+tin/slrn? |
| 10:01.00 | Wharf | Many have tryed before |
| 10:01.05 | Wharf | It is posible though |
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| 10:01.18 | EdLin | Paivakil: right |
| 10:01.20 | beta_ | If you want to forward, you need the ip :p |
| 10:01.28 | Wharf | Yea, lol |
| 10:01.38 | Zugschlus | Hm. If my system (now using 2.6.15) does not load firmware_class automatically though it is needed for ipw2200, is that a bug in ipw2200, in some other package, or in my configuration? |
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| 10:01.59 | Wharf | ahhhh |
| 10:02.02 | Wharf | Shit |
| 10:02.11 | Wharf | Forgot to connect the rj45 lead :P |
| 10:02.23 | beta_ | Wharf: I was about to say that.. |
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| 10:02.33 | beta_ | "is the TP connected?" |
| 10:02.33 | beta_ | :p |
| 10:02.39 | sep | Wharf, and you still had irc access and network ..... amazing :)) |
| 10:02.45 | liable | heh |
| 10:03.05 | Wharf | lol, well, last night i was using it |
| 10:03.14 | Wharf | This morning i disconnected it |
| 10:03.14 | beta_ | I got no ip, but I can log on to irc and check it ;) |
| 10:03.15 | Wharf | lol |
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| 10:03.37 | Paivakil | the problem is, I cannot make out where to specify the groups I want in nn |
| 10:03.43 | Wharf | connecting that machine to freenode |
| 10:03.50 | Wharf | if it lets me |
| 10:04.01 | runer | gl1tchy0ne: alsamixer is okay |
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| 10:05.30 | gl1tchy0ne | runer are you still getting premission denied when trying to use sound? |
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| 10:06.24 | runer | gl1tchy0ne: no but i don`t have a sound |
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| 10:06.49 | djp | what are the key strokes in order to paste under debian/linux? |
| 10:07.00 | Paivakil | djp depends |
| 10:07.05 | gl1tchy0ne | so you can use 'play' via CLI and choose a file and not get an error? |
| 10:07.16 | bbrazil | djp: middle click (X) |
| 10:07.19 | Paivakil | djp you are using GNOME or KDE? |
| 10:07.20 | EdLin | djp: mark the text you want to paste, go to other window, hit middle click |
| 10:07.37 | djp | gnome |
| 10:07.50 | Paivakil | Ctrl V does not work? |
| 10:07.55 | Guerin | runer: run alsamixer and turn your volume up |
| 10:08.03 | djp | ah, middle click... thanks bbrazil and EdLin |
| 10:08.11 | runer | Guerin: yes my volume is up |
| 10:08.20 | EdLin | djp: np |
| 10:08.35 | Wharf | Anyone fancy testing ssh for me? |
| 10:08.36 | Guerin | runer: you get no error and no sound when running the soundcheck? |
| 10:08.40 | Guerin | Wharf: no. |
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| 10:09.03 | Wharf | excluding Guerin :P lol |
| 10:09.06 | kapil | Zugschlus: forgot to run depmod -a perhaps? |
| 10:09.06 | Wharf | hehe |
| 10:09.06 | Dewi | does anyone know how aptitude works with multiple apt sources? |
| 10:09.13 | gl1tchy0ne | runer are you sure the speakers are plugged in correctly? |
| 10:09.16 | Guerin | Dewi: perfectly. |
| 10:09.20 | runer | Guerin: when i make this: cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp i have a noice |
| 10:09.21 | Dewi | Guerin: heh :P |
| 10:09.33 | runer | gl1tchy0ne: yes i`m shure ... |
| 10:09.34 | Douggle | hello |
| 10:09.35 | gl1tchy0ne | runer I know that a dumb question but it just happened to Wharf |
| 10:09.47 | Guerin | runer: if you get white noise, then sound is working peerfectly. |
| 10:10.07 | Dewi | Guerin: well I'm running stable... I wanted to use testing's shorewall, so I added the testing sources as well. Then I used /etc/apt/preferences to set testing's priority to -1 |
| 10:10.10 | gl1tchy0ne | yeah if you dont get error now sound should work |
| 10:10.16 | Douggle | i ve got a 500mhz ibook that i just installed debian on everything runs smoothly except for one thing audio what do i do to fix this? |
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| 10:10.36 | Guerin | Douggle: what kernel, what sound card? |
| 10:10.42 | gl1tchy0ne | just dont have something right in alsa |
| 10:10.43 | Dewi | Guerin: then I went into aptitude and looked at shorewall. It offered me both versions, and I was able to specify that I wanted the newer one. |
| 10:10.57 | Guerin | Dewi: amazing. |
| 10:10.59 | runer | Guerin: yes but i don`t have a sound when i want to use xmms ... |
| 10:11.03 | Dewi | Guerin: and it installed just fine... but I can't understand why it didn't say "no candidate" since testing is pinned to -1 |
| 10:11.14 | Guerin | runer: set xmms to use the oss output |
| 10:11.17 | Dewi | Guerin: if I go and do that same thing again, with php5 for example, it says "broken package" |
| 10:11.25 | Guerin | Dewi: because you specifically chose to use it? |
| 10:11.27 | gl1tchy0ne | yep oss output |
| 10:11.30 | Douggle | guerin 2.6 kernel and the sound card would be something along the lines of apple tumbler or something like that |
| 10:11.35 | Dewi | Guerin: it's pinned to -1 though, it shouldn't work |
| 10:11.37 | Douggle | its an ibook |
| 10:11.56 | Guerin | Douggle: don't guess, look at unamer-a and lspci output |
| 10:11.59 | deadline | are PGP keys normally assigned to hosts, domains or else? |
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| 10:12.01 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:12.07 | Guerin | Douggle: don't guess, look at uname -r and lspci output |
| 10:12.10 | liable | Douggle: you need to do better, do you think we all know what sound cards ibooks have? |
| 10:12.14 | Dewi | Guerin: I can't find any documentation on how aptitude does preferences |
| 10:12.18 | Guerin | and i don't knwo what sound card lives in an ibook |
| 10:12.26 | Douggle | give me a second to boot it up and i ll tell ya |
| 10:12.31 | Guerin | Dewi: it honours the apt preferences file |
| 10:12.56 | Dewi | Guerin: according to man apt_preferences, nothing should be coming through from testing because its priority is -1 |
| 10:13.02 | Dewi | Guerin: unless I'm missing something? |
| 10:13.17 | Guerin | Dewi: I don't know. If you suspect a bug, file. |
| 10:13.49 | Dewi | Guerin: well if I google for "aptitude pinning" I get a couple of mailing list articles to the effect that aptitude "doesn't support it" |
| 10:13.53 | runer | Guerin: done but still not working |
| 10:14.01 | Guerin | Dewi: huh? doesn't support pinning? |
| 10:14.27 | gl1tchy0ne | runer try another player other then XMMS and see if it works |
| 10:14.29 | Guerin | runer: your problem is with xmms, not audio. I don't know xmms, so can't help you except to suggest you use a different player. |
| 10:14.35 | Dewi | Guerin: it's a very old post from 2002 though |
| 10:15.00 | Guerin | Dewi: oh, probably not relevant, then. I'm pretty damn sure aptitude supports pinning, since I use it on all of my systems |
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| 10:15.07 | Dewi | Guerin: but I can't work out why php5 won't install but shorewall did |
| 10:15.14 | Dewi | Guerin: php5 has a *lot* more deps of course |
| 10:15.34 | Dewi | Guerin: so I don't want it to come from testing |
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| 10:15.38 | Vlat | hi |
| 10:15.40 | Dewi | Guerin: but I'm having trouble grasping why aptitude calls one of them a broken package, but happily installs the other |
| 10:16.05 | Wharf | Ok, ssh is working :) |
| 10:16.12 | EdLin | Dewi: testing/unstable is just that |
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| 10:16.30 | kapil | Dewi: you can always get dpkg/apt/aptitude to install a package from testing in stable provided its dependencies are satisfied by stable. |
| 10:16.31 | Dewi | in fact apt-cache policy shows the same thing |
| 10:16.33 | Guerin | Dewi: if you're running a mixed system, all bets are off. |
| 10:16.48 | gl1tchy0ne | anyone know what packages I can pull for kde and gnome that will force the removal of both? |
| 10:16.50 | Dewi | if I go "apt-cache policy shorewall", it tells me shorewall 3 is a candidate, but it's only in testing |
| 10:16.56 | Dewi | "apt-cache policy php5", it says "none" |
| 10:17.03 | Dewi | for candidate I mean |
| 10:17.16 | runer | gl1tchy0ne: whit Kaboodle don`t working too |
| 10:17.18 | Dewi | EdLin: right. |
| 10:17.30 | Dewi | EdLin: and *nobody* here runs non-stable packages |
| 10:17.38 | kapil | Dewi: this means that php5 has dependencies that cannot be satisfied by "stable". |
| 10:17.52 | Dewi | kapil: shorewall 3 isn't in stable |
| 10:18.05 | Dewi | kapil: so why does it have a candidate? because it has no deps? |
| 10:18.22 | EdLin | Dewi: if you want to run php5 in stable use dotdeb |
| 10:18.27 | kapil | Dewi: yes. but shorewall 3's dependencies are satisfied by stable so it can be installed. |
| 10:18.31 | Dewi | kapil: is there some limit to dependancy selection for de-prioritised sources? |
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| 10:18.53 | EdLin | !tell Dewi -about dotdeb |
| 10:18.56 | Dewi | EdLin: yeah, but how do I use dotdeb confidently in stable if I can't work out how pinning works? |
| 10:18.57 | gl1tchy0ne | runer, what type of file are you trying to listen to? |
| 10:19.03 | Dewi | EdLin: this is the whole point of my question |
| 10:19.04 | kapil | Dewi: i don't know. |
| 10:19.14 | gl1tchy0ne | anyone know what packages I can pull for kde and gnome that will force the removal of both? |
| 10:19.16 | Dewi | EdLin: I don't want my whole system to automatically start loading backports all the time needlessly |
| 10:19.35 | gl1tchy0ne | is there a base package for either one that if removed will remove all deps? |
| 10:19.36 | runer | gl1tchy0ne: i`m trying mp3 |
| 10:19.42 | Dewi | EdLin: what I *used* to do - what I *thought* was right, was to pin dotdeb to -1 and then individually prioritise the packages I wanted back up again |
| 10:19.46 | EdLin | Dewi: mixing distributions ordinarily causes less problems than mixing distributions |
| 10:19.49 | runer | whit noatun don`t working too |
| 10:19.51 | Dewi | EdLin: but now it seems like aptitude will install stuff at -1, sometimes |
| 10:19.54 | sep | !remove kde |
| 10:19.55 | dpkg | from memory, remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 10:19.58 | sep | !remove gnome |
| 10:19.58 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 10:20.09 | ootput | EdLin: ? |
| 10:20.16 | gl1tchy0ne | cool thx |
| 10:20.20 | EdLin | er, than using backports |
| 10:20.22 | crypt_ex | Whats the daemon you can use to place processes in the background and then call them backup again, not <app> & |
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| 10:20.24 | kapil | Dewi: not automatically. only if you ask it too. |
| 10:20.34 | teleyinex | hi |
| 10:20.36 | teleyinex | one thing |
| 10:20.37 | tengulre11 | HI< |
| 10:20.48 | ootput | that's actually the third thing |
| 10:20.51 | gl1tchy0ne | dude runer I still bet money its alsa mixer... have you ever had this working before |
| 10:20.54 | teleyinex | i have installed sarge with a software RAID1 + LVM |
| 10:20.54 | Dewi | kapil: but doesn't this contradict the apt_preferences man page which says that -1 stuff cannot be a candidate? |
| 10:21.09 | EdLin | Dewi: if you're mixing testing and stable on a server I feel sorry for you. |
| 10:21.18 | runer | gl1tchy0ne: in alsamixer all is up |
| 10:21.19 | runer | all |
| 10:21.21 | Dewi | EdLin: *this* time I used testing |
| 10:21.24 | teleyinex | now Im trying to compile a new kernel, but I get an error that says it cant mount mapper/vg0-root |
| 10:21.25 | Dewi | EdLin: *other* times I use dotdeb |
| 10:21.26 | Guerin | EdLin: i feel sorry for his users |
| 10:21.28 | Dewi | EdLin: doesn't change my question |
| 10:21.33 | kapil | Dewi: the -1 stuff cannot be a candidate for automatic resolution of dependencies. |
| 10:21.35 | Dewi | .... right |
| 10:21.42 | Dewi | this same question applies to dotdeb and testing |
| 10:21.50 | Guerin | kapil: ah, you're right. |
| 10:21.51 | teleyinex | raid adn lvm are checked, so I dont where could be the problem |
| 10:21.54 | teleyinex | any idea? |
| 10:21.58 | Dewi | what does it matter what sources I ask about as an example, when my question is ABOUT APT |
| 10:22.08 | Dewi | not about the various available sources |
| 10:22.12 | Guerin | packages pinned to -1 should install if specifically selected, but won't install automaticallyt |
| 10:22.16 | gl1tchy0ne | runer are you logged as user or root? |
| 10:22.24 | Dewi | in case you guys haven't noticed, there is NO backport ANYWHERE for shorewall |
| 10:22.25 | ootput | teleyinex: are you doing away with initrd? |
| 10:22.27 | Dewi | so testing is the only option |
| 10:22.29 | EdLin | !bobbit |
| 10:22.35 | ootput | teleyinex: if so, you'd need to compile lvm2 into the kernel |
| 10:22.36 | Dewi | that or I could build from source |
| 10:22.38 | Dewi | but since it had no deps |
| 10:22.40 | EdLin | !bobit |
| 10:22.41 | Dewi | testing seemed okay |
| 10:22.45 | Guerin | Dewi: backporting a shell script is a waste of time anyway |
| 10:22.45 | EdLin | bah |
| 10:22.47 | runer | gl1tchy0ne: i have started X whit normal user but in concole i`m whit user root |
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| 10:23.05 | Guerin | runer: adduser youruser audio |
| 10:23.07 | Dewi | Guerin: right. so what are you actually advocating? |
| 10:23.14 | ootput | runer: i mentioned that a while ago |
| 10:23.18 | teleyinex | ok |
| 10:23.18 | Guerin | runer: log out as user, then log back in |
| 10:23.27 | teleyinex | Im doing the kernel without initrd |
| 10:23.30 | Dewi | Guerin: you feel sorry for me mixing stable with testing's shorewall, and yet backporting would be a waste of time? |
| 10:23.40 | Guerin | Dewi: actually, I advocate writing your own iptables firewall - it's almost trivial |
| 10:23.41 | gl1tchy0ne | runer yeah was just going to say logout and back in |
| 10:23.52 | ootput | teleyinex: that's where you'd run into problems |
| 10:23.53 | runer | okay |
| 10:24.02 | Dewi | Guerin: yes, well, if I want to get 150 different recommendations on that I'll come to #debian |
| 10:24.07 | Dewi | Guerin: but how will I know until I try both? |
| 10:24.11 | teleyinex | how can I make in the debian way a initrd kernel |
| 10:24.15 | Wharf | Anyone here who fancy's trying to install usb modem via ssh |
| 10:24.22 | ootput | Dewi: arno-iptables, my 2 c |
| 10:24.26 | Guerin | !pal Wharf |
| 10:24.29 | Dewi | ootput: arno? |
| 10:25.09 | teleyinex | cause now im using this command: make-kpkg --revision whatever kernel_image |
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| 10:25.33 | Wharf | Guerin, doing it is a bitch, lol |
| 10:25.37 | Wharf | Many users have tryed |
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| 10:25.43 | Wharf | thats why i'm starting ssh |
| 10:25.56 | Wharf | It is a supported modem as well |
| 10:26.03 | liable | teleyinex: man kernel-package |
| 10:26.05 | ootput | teleyinex: make sure you make menuconfig with the appropriate options for lvm2 and raid1 |
| 10:26.09 | Dewi | Guerin: so what if shorewall was a really *handy* script? |
| 10:26.09 | kapil | Dewi: your setup seems fine. just install shorewall. with your current pinning your sources list will not automatically pull in any packages from testing *except* those you actually ask for. |
| 10:26.11 | Wharf | Got the drivers on the machine, just not installed |
| 10:26.21 | Dewi | Guerin: should I backport it, or mix stable and testing? |
| 10:26.28 | gl1tchy0ne | well gnome and KDE just free'd up 500 Megs O' disk space for me |
| 10:26.49 | ootput | welcome back gl1tchy0ne. thought you'd never make it |
| 10:26.57 | Dewi | Guerin: so anyway, you said that it will allow me to explicitly select a -1 package, but won't automatically select. That sounds consistent... but do docs say that? |
| 10:26.58 | kapil | Dewi: shorewall updates (including security updates) will also be missed of course. |
| 10:27.11 | teleyinex | There are only one option for lvm2 |
| 10:27.15 | Dewi | Guerin: I mean, is this knowledge you have or are you just theorising about my experience as described? |
| 10:27.15 | teleyinex | and its enable |
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| 10:27.22 | ootput | Y, or M |
| 10:27.39 | gl1tchy0ne | hehe take it I am not the only one that does not like gnome and KDE |
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| 10:27.42 | Dewi | kapil: true. not sure there's much I can do about that |
| 10:27.43 | EdLin | Dewi: if you know more than everyone here why did you /j #debian? |
| 10:27.56 | Dewi | EdLin: what?! |
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| 10:28.14 | Dewi | EdLin: when did I say I knew more? |
| 10:28.16 | clistov | would anyone know why i can't execute a .bin file. I've used file file.bin which says it's a 32bit file , i'm on a 64bit machine, but should still be able to run the program any idea's / |
| 10:28.19 | Dewi | EdLin: I just want to understand how this works |
| 10:28.25 | Dewi | EdLin: so I don't have to bug you guys constantly |
| 10:28.37 | EdLin | Dewi: every time someone gives you advice you argue with them |
| 10:28.38 | Dewi | EdLin: in my view the docs do NOT reflect my experience or what Guerin is saying |
| 10:28.44 | Dewi | EdLin: so obviously I want to know how to get a handle |
| 10:28.54 | Dewi | EdLin: unless I am to ask guerin every apt question for the rest of my life |
| 10:28.54 | ootput | nothing wrong with that |
| 10:28.56 | EdLin | !tell Dewi about pinning |
| 10:29.03 | Dewi | EdLin: yes, I did that 5 hours ago |
| 10:29.19 | Dewi | EdLin: I've read it all, it doesn't reflect my experience or what guerin said |
| 10:29.35 | ootput | hm, FAT patent |
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| 10:29.45 | Dewi | well, I didn't read it all, but that source does specifically say that -1 shouldn't install |
| 10:29.52 | Dewi | maybe there's some caveat buried in there |
| 10:30.08 | Guerin | sorry |
| 10:30.09 | Dewi | thing is, when I asked my question I wasn't sure if aptitude was even honouring that file |
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| 10:30.15 | int_21h | where can i find my installed glib? |
| 10:30.19 | Guerin | making curry and chapatti |
| 10:30.48 | azeem | int_21h: in /usr/lib I guess |
| 10:30.56 | int_21h | in what directory glib stored? |
| 10:31.04 | teleyinex | I dont know what im doing wrong |
| 10:31.15 | teleyinex | LVM and RAID are compiled in |
| 10:31.17 | int_21h | i check.... |
| 10:31.22 | Dewi | EdLin: advice in here can go one of 20 directions. I'd rather just gather some knowledge and make my own decision |
| 10:31.23 | teleyinex | not as modules |
| 10:31.23 | ootput | teleyinex: sata? |
| 10:31.31 | teleyinex | yes |
| 10:31.34 | ootput | teleyinex: appropriate scsi drives |
| 10:31.37 | teleyinex | ok |
| 10:31.38 | teleyinex | thanks |
| 10:31.40 | ootput | *drivers |
| 10:31.42 | Dewi | EdLin: I asked the advice sort of questions in here weeks ago and got differing answers |
| 10:31.49 | teleyinex | you have open my ming |
| 10:31.53 | teleyinex | mind |
| 10:32.03 | int_21h | azeem, no glib |
| 10:32.22 | EdLin | Dewi: so you're going to keep on insulting the channel until someone tells you what you want to hear? |
| 10:32.37 | Dewi | EdLin: ... no, until my actual question got answered |
| 10:32.49 | Dewi | EdLin: instead of all these totally irrelevant side issues raked through |
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| 10:33.14 | Dewi | EdLin: I mean I asked a question about apt, but got answers about mixing distros and backports and whether shell scripts should backport and whether my users are poor people etc |
| 10:33.15 | EdLin | Dewi: telling you that mixing stable and testing is what is breaking things for you is *not* irrelevant |
| 10:33.41 | Dewi | EdLin: well that's why I fucking pinned it to -1 isn't it? |
| 10:33.47 | Dewi | EdLin: I mean that is the ENTIRE point |
| 10:33.59 | Dewi | EdLin: but it wasn't pinning the way I expected |
| 10:34.15 | Dewi | EdLin: if you are suggesting there is no reason EVER to mix sources, then cool |
| 10:34.35 | azeem | int_21h: did you install it? What package? |
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| 10:34.55 | EdLin | Dewi: there is no good reason to ever do it on a server you want to be reliable |
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| 10:35.14 | Dewi | EdLin: then I guess I'll have to ditch debian then |
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| 10:35.19 | Dewi | EdLin: because I use PHP5 in production |
| 10:35.24 | EdLin | Dewi: OK |
| 10:35.27 | Dewi | EdLin: and stable won't do that without backports |
| 10:35.43 | azeem | Dewi: you don't need pinning for backports, though? |
| 10:35.50 | Dewi | azeem: don't I? |
| 10:35.58 | azeem | well, I'd surprise if you do |
| 10:36.00 | kapil | Dewi: if you do not want to have testing packages installed just remove testing sources from your sources.list |
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| 10:36.04 | liable | Dewi: your banging your head against the wall. ask in a couple of hours. |
| 10:36.08 | fireba11 | Dewi: just build it yourself ? |
| 10:36.08 | EdLin | Dewi: yeah, you don't need to pin backports |
| 10:36.15 | azeem | I tink the backports.org docs talk about pinning, but that is rather out of convenience |
| 10:36.29 | Dewi | EdLin: why not? why are they so special? |
| 10:36.31 | gl1tchy0ne | so here is a dumb easy question how do I get the CLI to display color for directories and exec files and such? |
| 10:36.33 | azeem | s/tink/think/ |
| 10:36.45 | azeem | man, this is annoying |
| 10:36.47 | EdLin | Dewi: because they are designed to work with stable without doing that |
| 10:36.48 | gl1tchy0ne | but of course one that I do not know the answer to |
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| 10:36.57 | gl1tchy0ne | never had it not do it by default |
| 10:37.09 | azeem | gl1tchy0ne: man ls |
| 10:37.20 | Dewi | EdLin: so if there is stable "foo" and a backport for a later "foo", and I have both in my sources list with no pinning, which will install when I type "apt-get install foo"? |
| 10:37.20 | jm_ | gl1tchy0ne: man dircolors |
| 10:37.29 | Vlat | damn, just messed up /usr :/ |
| 10:37.37 | azeem | Dewi: the one with the higher version number |
| 10:37.38 | kapil | gl1tchy0ne: it does do it by default---just not for root. |
| 10:37.48 | Dewi | azeem: aha. but why would I install a backport unnecessarily? |
| 10:37.55 | Dewi | azeem: I only want backports where I *need* them |
| 10:37.55 | azeem | Dewi: you wouldn't |
| 10:38.05 | Dewi | azeem: other times I want to use stable. hence pinning. |
| 10:38.19 | Dewi | I mean are we really now debating whether pinning is an entirely superfluous feature? |
| 10:38.22 | azeem | Dewi: just don't run apt-get upgrade mindlessly |
| 10:38.35 | Dewi | <dewi> how do I use feature X <#debian> oh, we put that feature in for no reason to confuse you |
| 10:38.38 | kapil | Dewi: you needn't use backports/*. you can use backports/name_of_package. |
| 10:38.41 | gl1tchy0ne | damn it does your right... thanks kaplin and azeem |
| 10:38.42 | azeem | Dewi: we are debating that you can use Debian without having to rely on pinnnig |
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| 10:38.59 | Dewi | azeem: I'm not talking about apt-get upgrade, I'm talking about apt-get *install* |
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| 10:39.15 | azeem | Dewi: so remove backports from sources.list after you got php5 |
| 10:39.42 | Dewi | azeem: sounds like a bad idea |
| 10:39.43 | XLT | and don't get updates before it hits stable. |
| 10:39.46 | azeem | Dewi: huh? |
| 10:40.09 | Dewi | azeem: well then I have these orphan packages floating around with missing metadata. Plus I have to be pulling the source in and out of the sources list. |
| 10:40.14 | EdLin | XLT: other than security upgrades *nothing* hits stable until a new release of stable |
| 10:40.17 | Dewi | azeem: why do that when I could, in theory, just pin? |
| 10:40.21 | azeem | Dewi: orphan metadata? |
| 10:40.33 | azeem | Dewi: you seem to be unable to figure out pinning |
| 10:40.37 | azeem | so I suggested to do without |
| 10:40.41 | Dewi | azeem: no, I asked for a minor clarification |
| 10:40.43 | azeem | if you're happy pinning, do that |
| 10:40.59 | Dewi | azeem: and got a massive amount of judgment from people who seem to have no idea what I'm actually doing |
| 10:41.00 | EdLin | !tell Dewi about dotdeb |
| 10:41.00 | azeem | 11:29 < Dewi> EdLin: then I guess I'll have to ditch debian then |
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| 10:41.16 | kapil | Dewi: let me understand what you want. (a) you want to keep all of backports in your sources list (b) you only want some of your packages to come from there, the rest from stable. have i got your problem? |
| 10:41.20 | azeem | Dewi: that doesn't sound like "a minor clarification" |
| 10:41.31 | Dewi | azeem: that was if I followed his ridiculous advice to never, ever backport or mix releases |
| 10:42.05 | EdLin | Dewi: I didn't say to never run backports, but mixing releases is asking for trouble. When I give you advice, are you really listening? |
| 10:42.09 | azeem | you seem to be looking for answers without having a problem, if you ask me |
| 10:42.11 | Dewi | kapil: all I wanted was to have stable + backports in my list, but only ever use backports in cases when I explicitly demand |
| 10:42.26 | Dewi | kapil: pinning to -1 seems to work pretty well |
| 10:42.30 | fireba11 | gl1tchy0ne: just uncomment that block in /root/.bashrc |
| 10:42.36 | Dewi | kapil: but I managed to get one package without overriding the pin |
| 10:42.37 | rvalles | there was a web like this http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 10:42.44 | Dewi | kapil: which shook my faith in it |
| 10:42.48 | rvalles | but with the latest floppies... snapshots made daily |
| 10:42.51 | rvalles | any idea where to get it? |
| 10:42.53 | sep | Dewi, but that's exactly what the instructions on backports.org do ... |
| 10:43.25 | grozniy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.32 | bibe | Dewi : probably the package that came from backports doesn't exist in stable, so apt installed the only available version (as you asked when apt-getting it) |
| 10:43.40 | gl1tchy0ne | right figured that out fireball thanks man... I had'nt logged as non user before so then it made since |
| 10:43.57 | Dewi | bibe: it did exist, but aptitude let me specify the newer version despite tehe pin |
| 10:44.10 | teleyinex | one thing |
| 10:44.23 | Dewi | EdLin: that's really spammy. especially since you already did it. Try not to misuse the bot. |
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| 10:44.26 | kapil | Dewi: that is what I said. I think pinning should do it. what you should *not* do is take a package which is *only* in backports and do an apt-get install <package_name>. it will then certainly override the pin since you have explicitly requested that particular package. |
| 10:44.26 | rvalles | any idea where to get the daily etch debian-installer floppies? |
| 10:44.35 | kwikky23 | hello debian |
| 10:44.37 | teleyinex | I have out of the raid and lvm a partition that has the /boot |
| 10:44.47 | azeem | kwikky23: hi |
| 10:45.07 | teleyinex | with that in mind, I have to do an initrd kernel? |
| 10:45.11 | teleyinex | or not |
| 10:45.16 | Dewi | kapil: that's where I'm still a bit fuzzy... but I guess I'll just have to be careful |
| 10:45.18 | azeem | rvalles: if you really need floppies, http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/floppy/ |
| 10:45.23 | Dewi | kapil: certainly sometimes it will just say "no candidate" |
| 10:45.35 | kwikky23 | fyi....my problem was in fact a media/burn rate issue...by finding some much older media, and burning it at 8x, my old PIII laptop was finally able to use the netinstall image |
| 10:45.45 | rvalles | azeem: thank you, that's exactly what I was looking for |
| 10:45.45 | Dewi | kapil: php5 for instance won't install with testing pinned -1 |
| 10:45.54 | Dewi | kapil: presumably because I haven't explicitly asked for its deps |
| 10:46.02 | Dewi | (or pinned them) |
| 10:46.05 | azeem | rvalles: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ in general for daily stuff |
| 10:46.26 | azeem | Dewi: why do you have testing in sources.list? |
| 10:46.34 | azeem | I thought you wanted stable+backports |
| 10:46.35 | Dewi | azeem: to get one package |
| 10:46.38 | gl1tchy0ne | well off to bed I go... night all |
| 10:46.48 | Dewi | azeem: which had no deps and was merely a shell script. |
| 10:46.54 | Dewi | azeem: doesn't sound like civilisation coming to an end to me |
| 10:46.57 | kapil | Dewi: for example. i have an installation here which says "APT::Default-Release testing;" but I could do "apt-get install gnumach" and it would install it. |
| 10:47.01 | gl1tchy0ne | thanks again to all for the great help |
| 10:47.01 | Dewi | azeem: so can we stop dramatising that now? |
| 10:47.13 | kapil | even though gnumach is only in unstable. |
| 10:47.13 | azeem | Dewi: it might be easier to just wget it from ftp.debian.org and dpkg -i it then |
| 10:47.16 | Dewi | azeem: sorry, that was unfair |
| 10:47.19 | azeem | but *shrug* |
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| 10:50.24 | kapil | Dewi: but I cannot do "apt-get install lyx-xforms" because there are dependencies which lie in unstable. |
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| 10:50.54 | Dewi | kapil: that seems consitent enough. It's not how I read man apt_preferences though |
| 10:51.01 | Dewi | +s |
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| 10:51.33 | kapil | Dewi: i understand. perhaps you should file a bug on apt asking them to clarify this on their man page. |
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| 10:51.53 | visik7 | what happen to packages.debian.org ? |
| 10:52.02 | kapil | Dewi: also check out apt-howto-en perhaps it is clearer on this issue. |
| 10:52.07 | Dewi | visik7: it's alive to me |
| 10:52.11 | ootput | keratosis pilaris |
| 10:52.18 | ootput | err, misdirected |
| 10:52.22 | visik7 | :) |
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| 10:53.23 | visik7 | ok |
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| 10:55.31 | kapil | Dewi: despite what anyone may say... a lot of people do have experience running stable+backports because sarge took so long to release. we too had exim4 running (via backports) on a woody system. the pin system worked fine. |
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| 10:56.44 | kapil | Dewi: however, as djkstra said. working fine is not an indicator of the absence of bugs :) |
| 10:56.51 | dimir | Ryzhaja - bezstyzhaja! |
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| 10:57.26 | caphuso | kapil: why did you need pinning to use backports? |
| 10:57.29 | dondelelcaro | kapil: backports are quite a bit different than trying to pin; pinning is often far more complex. |
| 10:58.19 | kapil | caphuso, dondelelcaro: i said "pin". sorry. i mean apt's priority system. |
| 10:58.45 | kapil | what i meant is using "APT::Default-Release stable;" |
| 10:58.51 | G | hmmmm xorg is just displaying blank nothingness |
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| 10:59.19 | caphuso | kapil: ok. why did you need to use "APT::Default-Release stable;" to use backports? |
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| 10:59.29 | yel | hello everyone! |
| 10:59.46 | EdLin | G: have you installed a window manager? |
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| 10:59.50 | yel | i have a question related to security enhachement of my system : is there any kind of dynamic firewall that could be listning/reacting for/on special event at runtime automatically ? |
| 11:00.00 | yel | somthing like : if event occures( wrong log in from the same ip within 5 min more than 10 time ) block ip ??? |
| 11:00.03 | kapil | caphuso: so that the system would not upgrade other packages from backports. only the one's we actually selected. |
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| 11:00.23 | jm_ | yel: you can write an user space app that can do whatever you want |
| 11:00.23 | G | EdLin, naturally |
| 11:00.27 | kapil | s/one's/ones/ |
| 11:00.43 | jm_ | yel: ahh look at recent module |
| 11:00.52 | EdLin | G: how did you install X? |
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| 11:01.07 | yel | jm_, you have a special one in mind or ?? |
| 11:01.10 | G | well more importantly I've installed gdm, and then gnome-desktop-enviroment |
| 11:01.25 | kapil | G: do you have an i810 card? |
| 11:01.32 | Dewi | kapil: I know. I've had less brokenness running stable+backports than I have running testing or unstable, or ubuntu or fedora |
| 11:01.42 | G | it's a laptop |
| 11:01.48 | caphuso | yel: you can't really do that with a firewall. packets that belong to failed login attempt aren't different enough from other ones |
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| 11:02.04 | runer | hi all |
| 11:02.09 | ringu | hi |
| 11:02.10 | G | and it's using a Raedon x700 (or something like that) mobility card |
| 11:02.27 | liable | yel: theres an article on it at the debian administration site/wiki (for ssh, not for incorrect login, but just attempts..) |
| 11:02.30 | G | (the 700 bit is correct) |
| 11:02.41 | jm_ | yel: but as caphuso said, that has to be done at higher level, there are PAM modules for it |
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| 11:03.01 | jm_ | I think recent module will server you just fine |
| 11:03.03 | Vlat | G: modprobe agpgart |
| 11:03.03 | G | EdLin, well after installing gdm, i realized i didn't have xorg, so i installed xserver-xorg, then i realized i didn't have font packages + font server etc |
| 11:03.09 | Vlat | G: then run startx |
| 11:03.18 | EdLin | G: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 11:03.43 | yel | thanks caphuso, jm_, but what i mean is a failed login to FTP / smtp/ SSHD ... differnt services ? |
| 11:03.55 | G | EdLin, thats installed |
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| 11:04.07 | jm_ | yel: ssh and ftp daemons support PAM |
| 11:04.29 | G | Vlat, it didn't help |
| 11:04.30 | caphuso | yel: you need either something like the PAM module that jm_ mentioned or something like fail2ban that parses log files |
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| 11:04.47 | EdLin | !drxx G |
| 11:04.47 | dpkg | G: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:04.54 | Vlat | G: ATI driver ? |
| 11:04.54 | jm_ | right - I know I read about fail2ban somewhere |
| 11:05.06 | G | EdLin, i've already tried that |
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| 11:05.12 | yel | caphuso, i think fail2ban sound to be right for me |
| 11:05.14 | G | it's not my first install |
| 11:05.19 | Vlat | G: or simple vesa |
| 11:05.26 | G | vlat ati |
| 11:05.53 | Vlat | G: had such issue several hours ago, agpgart helped. could you pastebin the output of xserver ? |
| 11:06.07 | Vlat | G: several last lines |
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| 11:07.11 | G | hmmmmm well i just got this error back "(WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No suck file or directory)" |
| 11:07.11 | Vlat | G: by the word, ATI proprietary shit or ATI driver shipped with X ? it matters |
| 11:07.21 | G | ATI Xorg |
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| 11:07.47 | backblue | hi |
| 11:07.50 | kapil | G: Open apm error can be ignored (its not an error its a warning). |
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| 11:08.08 | backblue | how can i do update from stable to testing? |
| 11:08.15 | G | kapil, yeah i just realised that |
| 11:08.21 | G | (btw this is etch i'm using) |
| 11:08.26 | Vlat | G: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:08.31 | EdLin | blame: iyntays |
| 11:08.34 | Vlat | G: what does it say |
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| 11:08.44 | EdLin | er, backblue |
| 11:08.52 | ringu | o.o |
| 11:08.53 | crashbg[work] | where was the file that sets the number of physical consoles? |
| 11:09.11 | cyzie | i mount a partion where the group is set flag,rwx. but why is the user in the group cannot create file in the parition ? |
| 11:09.19 | teleyinex | nothing |
| 11:09.26 | G | Vlat, actually don't worry |
| 11:09.30 | G | i'll reinstall it tomorrow |
| 11:09.37 | Vlat | crashbg[work]: /etc/inittab you mean ? |
| 11:09.51 | crashbg[work] | Vladie: yes :) |
| 11:09.53 | cheal | EdLin: it's spelled iyhtays |
| 11:09.54 | crashbg[work] | thanks pal |
| 11:10.00 | Vlat | you welcome :-) |
| 11:10.06 | teleyinex | I get always a kernel panic saying that mapper/vg0-root couldnt be mounted |
| 11:10.07 | cheal | !tell backblue about woody->etch |
| 11:10.09 | cheal | oops |
| 11:10.11 | EdLin | cheal: iyntays is "if you need to ask you shouldn't" |
| 11:10.13 | cheal | !tell backblue about sarge->etch |
| 11:10.15 | teleyinex | vg0-root is on RAID1 |
| 11:10.17 | G | that or i'll go back to SuSE which i had working on the laptop |
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| 11:10.33 | cheal | !iyntays |
| 11:10.48 | teleyinex | any idea? |
| 11:10.55 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 11:10.55 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little WD-40, and 42 starving goats. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 11:11.12 | kapil | teleyinex: your lvm metadata is messed up? |
| 11:11.35 | teleyinex | nop |
| 11:11.49 | teleyinex | because is aa fresh installation |
| 11:11.49 | Vlat | G: actually ATI isn't the best oppinion for linux systems at my humble oppinion, but if you got laptop you have no choice anyway... |
| 11:11.52 | crashbg[work] | can i "restart" inittab? |
| 11:12.00 | Vlat | s/oppinion/option |
| 11:12.02 | EdLin | Vlat: he's left |
| 11:12.04 | caphuso | crashbg[work]: telinit q |
| 11:12.39 | backblue | !tell backblue testing security |
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| 11:12.56 | backblue | !tell backblue about testing security |
| 11:12.59 | caphuso | backblue: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 11:13.00 | crashbg[work] | caphuso: it worked :P |
| 11:13.09 | cheal | !tell backblue about selftell |
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| 11:13.33 | kapil | teleyinex: you get this error during installation? |
| 11:13.57 | teleyinex | not, I want to compile the kernel, and the new kernel say that |
| 11:14.05 | teleyinex | with debian kernels all goes well |
| 11:14.23 | kapil | teleyinex: ah. you need an initrd which loads up the lvm. |
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| 11:14.49 | somethingbad | hello, i'm running debian, installed ffmpeg, libavcodec-dev, libpostproc-dev, libdc1394-13 and libdc1394-13-dev, and trying to run vdr + softdevice, but it dies with msg: undefined symbol: dc1394_create_handle |
| 11:15.23 | teleyinex | how I do that? |
| 11:15.34 | teleyinex | I dont know to compile in that way |
| 11:15.56 | teleyinex | always a monolitic one without initrd |
| 11:16.10 | backblue | caphuso: tks |
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| 11:17.09 | kapil | teleyinex: i dont think you can have root on lvm without an initrd, but i may be wrong. ask other people. |
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| 11:17.49 | backblue | can i just remove all kde packages? i use gnome, i dont need them at all |
| 11:18.02 | caphuso | backblue: you have our permission to do so |
| 11:18.12 | liable | backblue: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 11:19.01 | teleyinex | kapil I was thinking the same as you |
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| 11:21.14 | Jake_ | whats the thing to do when the package i want is not in apt-gets library yet? (debian user all of 2 days now) |
| 11:21.15 | sewi | hello, I downloaded unofficial iso images of Debian Etch and when I want to install the firs cd there is only one option of automatic partition of the hard drives. I compared this to the Debian sarge iso and there I had also manual partitioning. Anybody know about this problem? |
| 11:21.58 | sep | sewi, you think we know about every unofficial installler out there. that's an impossible task |
| 11:22.17 | sep | sewi, ask whoever made the unofficial cd |
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| 11:22.43 | sep | sewi, or try expert mode (if your unofficial have such a thing) |
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| 11:22.57 | liable | sewi: theres an install guide for the installer (check the site where you got it.) |
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| 11:24.09 | sewi | sep, sorry I relatively new to debian so I thought someone can help me here. Ok I try ask somewhere else. |
| 11:24.38 | EdLin | sewi: you want to use the Sarge installer then dist-upgrade to etch |
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| 11:25.37 | liable | sewi: you should be able to do manual partitions, have a play around in it a bit more. |
| 11:25.50 | sewi | EdLin: thanks, indeed this is the solution in my case |
| 11:26.27 | whitt-robert | is this for thunderbird help? |
| 11:26.40 | EdLin | sewi: actually, unless there's something you *need* in etch the solution is to run Sarge. :-) |
| 11:27.00 | liable | sewi: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-partition |
| 11:27.51 | whitt-robert | can anybody help me with thunderbird mail ? |
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| 11:28.39 | sewi | EdLin: I need tetex 3.0 and other software which is unavailable in Sarge |
| 11:28.55 | whitt-robert | anybody ? |
| 11:29.15 | EdLin | sewi: what reason is there that you need 3.0? |
| 11:29.40 | sewi | liable: theoretically it should be the manual option but it isn't in fact |
| 11:29.42 | EdLin | !anybody? |
| 11:29.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 11:30.31 | Jake_ | postgres8 isnt in apt, if i download and install it manually, a will i break things and b is there something i need to tell apt ? |
| 11:30.56 | sewi | EdLin: I'm using powerdot latex package and this requires newer version of pstrick etc... |
| 11:31.05 | EdLin | sewi: OK |
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| 11:31.24 | whitt-robert | edlin can you help me with my thunderbird account? plz |
| 11:31.42 | Paivakil | sewi: they are in sid |
| 11:32.00 | EdLin | whitt-robert: I haven't used thunderbird in a while, I'm running mutt ATM |
| 11:32.08 | whitt-robert | hmm |
| 11:32.10 | whitt-robert | ok |
| 11:32.21 | whitt-robert | dang i really need some help setting my servers up |
| 11:32.30 | whitt-robert | i know what they are but its failing to connect |
| 11:32.40 | ringu | mutt lol |
| 11:32.50 | whitt-robert | i thought maybe someone would be nice enough to walk me though some trouble shooting? |
| 11:32.53 | Paivakil | ringu: what is wrong with mutt? |
| 11:33.11 | ringu | Paivakil, it's good |
| 11:33.11 | EdLin | ringu: I wasn't aware that e-mail *required* graphics |
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| 11:33.37 | whitt-robert | can i get mutt using linux ? |
| 11:33.57 | EdLin | whitt-robert: man apt-get |
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| 11:34.16 | Paivakil | whitt-robert: thunderbird & setting up your servers? |
| 11:34.16 | whitt-robert | what did i do wrong say wrong? |
| 11:34.17 | ringu | the author of mutt is a hacker |
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| 11:34.33 | whitt-robert | and your point is? |
| 11:34.35 | Paivakil | ringu: so are all people who write good software |
| 11:34.45 | ringu | umm |
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| 11:35.03 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 11:35.03 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 11:35.09 | whitt-robert | damn i dont care who wrote i just need to know how i can get it and if i can get it if im runnign mepis |
| 11:35.11 | whitt-robert | ? |
| 11:35.20 | EdLin | !mepis |
| 11:35.20 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 11:35.35 | sewi | Paivakil: I thought that in etch as well, but I couldn't check it because the packages browser on www.debian.org doesn't work at the moment |
| 11:35.37 | ArtVandalae | ringu, hacker as in a cracker, or as in a person who writes hacky code? |
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| 11:35.53 | whitt-robert | mepis is a linux distro! |
| 11:35.55 | ringu | no,no, he is a real hacker |
| 11:35.59 | EdLin | whitt-robert: /j #mepis. Debian is not Mepis |
| 11:36.00 | FallOnMe | meh, mutt is decent code. |
| 11:36.03 | whitt-robert | its an operating system |
| 11:36.11 | whitt-robert | i never said it was |
| 11:36.20 | whitt-robert | listen nvm |
| 11:36.23 | EdLin | whitt-robert: the name of the channel is #debian |
| 11:36.34 | whitt-robert | if you guys arent willing to help me fine ill leave you guys along |
| 11:36.35 | grandma | anyone know what i need to get USB flash drives to mount/umount automatically? |
| 11:36.37 | FallOnMe | whitt-robert: Join the correct channel for your distro. |
| 11:36.37 | whitt-robert | alone* |
| 11:36.39 | Paivakil | whitt-robert: take mepis related questiont to #mepis |
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| 11:36.47 | redguy|work | ringu: a real hacker? what do you mean by that? |
| 11:36.53 | ltsampros | question: hasanyone used docbook/xml 4.3 using xsltproc on a debian stable ? |
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| 11:37.03 | Paivakil | grandma: hotplug |
| 11:37.11 | ringu | I went to his personal site |
| 11:37.42 | grandma | Paivakil: thanks |
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| 11:38.26 | liable | hotplud doesnt mount usb sticks.. |
| 11:38.31 | liable | g.. |
| 11:38.40 | EdLin | ringu: I just went to his official site, if you call working with PGP "hacking" (or rather, cracking) you don't know much about the subject |
| 11:38.45 | Paivakil | ringu: see the definition of `hacker'' A person who delights in having an intimate understanding of the internal workings of a system, computers and computer networks in particular ... |
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| 11:40.00 | ringu | I know what's the real hacker is |
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| 11:40.19 | NOthsouth | hello, can someone advice me a good Backuptool ? |
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| 11:40.42 | EdLin | !confuse ringu |
| 11:40.42 | dpkg | No, who is our pineapple yesterday, ringu? wellies of the republic of micronesia with extra herring |
| 11:40.52 | rvalles | I have problems with the debian-installer floppies and XFS |
| 11:41.00 | ArtVandalae | NOthsouth, google debian backup tools, there's a few debian sites wtih suggestions and tools |
| 11:41.04 | b4u | so? |
| 11:41.06 | rvalles | I cannot mount xfs partitions... |
| 11:41.09 | ringu | ? |
| 11:41.17 | rvalles | getting "unresolved symbol" errors when I try to. |
| 11:41.18 | NOthsouth | ArtVandalae, thx :) |
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| 11:41.30 | ArtVandalae | rvalles, try #debian-boot |
| 11:42.37 | cyzie | drwxrwx--x 3 root storage 4096 2006-01-11 08:11 storage <== what does the 3 means ? |
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| 11:43.09 | Vlat | rvalles: xfs module should be loaded. modprobe xfs |
| 11:43.54 | rvalles | Vlat: I get unresolved symbols errors. |
| 11:44.10 | doublehp_ | what is the package to install to get PGP signatures for apt ? |
| 11:44.15 | rvalles | (when I modprobe xfs) |
| 11:44.49 | Vlat | doublehp_: gnupg on my memory |
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| 11:45.00 | doublehp_ | no ... I got gpg :) I need the sigs :) |
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| 11:45.28 | doublehp_ | Vlat: debsigs |
| 11:46.14 | Vlat | doublehp_: damn, you're right :-)) and i haven't got it installed. thx :)) |
| 11:46.24 | rvalles | well |
| 11:46.36 | rvalles | does STABLE installer support XFS? |
| 11:47.13 | doublehp_ | rvalles: /now/ yes |
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| 11:47.26 | rvalles | doublehp_: I guess I'm gonna try with stable, then |
| 11:47.32 | rvalles | doublehp_: (I really do need XFS) |
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| 11:47.51 | doublehp_ | rvalles: Gentoo tutorial recommend NOT to use it on low end computers, workstations, and laptops .... |
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| 11:48.32 | doublehp_ | rvalles: it says that XFS in production should be kept for optical drives, and preferable with servers equipped with UPS |
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| 11:49.00 | doublehp_ | rvalles: after 4 years loving XFS, I had to come back to ext3 |
| 11:49.05 | rvalles | doublehp_: I don't care... I just have a XFS disk I need to access |
| 11:49.15 | rvalles | doublehp_: why did you come back to xfs, btw? |
| 11:49.17 | doublehp_ | rvalles: the Knoppix can help :) |
| 11:49.19 | rvalles | *to ext3 |
| 11:49.24 | rvalles | doublehp_: this machine cannot boot knoppix |
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| 11:50.56 | doublehp_ | rvalles: xfs had several small problems ... for example: if a file is open RW at the moment you have powerfail, about 50% times I lots the whole content of file, what made me very angry about Gaim buddy list (which is most often RW), /etc/conf* being editted ... |
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| 11:51.21 | rvalles | doublehp_: using reiser4 here, btw |
| 11:51.23 | doublehp_ | rvalles: I was loosing more and more content on powerfailures ... |
| 11:51.25 | Greatred | ext3 i think is fully data/metadata journaled |
| 11:51.36 | Greatred | vs most other journaled fs |
| 11:51.48 | Greatred | which is probably just metadata |
| 11:52.26 | doublehp_ | rvalles: so: when the batt of lappy came bad, and when the national electric company started Xmas surprises in 2004, I had to convert from XFS to Ext3 |
| 11:52.54 | rvalles | suffered that sort of problems with xfs, doublehp_ |
| 11:53.02 | rvalles | needn't tell me ;) |
| 11:53.13 | doublehp_ | rvalles: loosing user profile, and grub conf or stages made me REALLY crossed |
| 11:53.34 | rvalles | doublehp_: I wasn't so unlucky... |
| 11:53.38 | doublehp_ | until I can afford for UPS |
| 11:53.47 | rvalles | doublehp_: but then by xmas 2004 I had a physical hd failure |
| 11:53.54 | threat | doublehp_, you cant afford $200AU for a 1200VA UPS ? |
| 11:54.03 | rvalles | doublehp_: and while I moved stuff to a new HD.. |
| 11:54.09 | rvalles | doublehp_: I converted to reiser4. |
| 11:54.30 | rvalles | doublehp_: have lost no data with reiser4... and it's fast. |
| 11:54.32 | doublehp_ | threat: I am not to afford for any thing else than real online !!! 1200W is only one computer without screen for me ... |
| 11:55.10 | doublehp_ | threat: many people next house encontoured too many pb with even line interactive ... the 220V is very bad around here |
| 11:55.19 | threat | doublehp_, ouch, you have an oven connected to your PSU ? |
| 11:55.38 | threat | or some type of element |
| 11:55.51 | threat | or just alot of screaming SCSI's? |
| 11:55.58 | doublehp_ | threat: no : two AS1200 (1200W each ), one AS4100 (1450W), then 3 P3 (300W each), plus screens, hubs ... |
| 11:56.05 | rvalles | an intel cpu? maybe some nvidia card? |
| 11:56.07 | rvalles | lol. |
| 11:56.27 | threat | doublehp_, damn |
| 11:56.29 | sewi | anybody knows how long http://debian.packages.org will be unavailable? |
| 11:56.31 | threat | AS1200 ? |
| 11:56.40 | Coweater | threat: alphaservers |
| 11:56.45 | threat | ooooh |
| 11:56.48 | rvalles | cool |
| 11:56.49 | rvalles | hehe |
| 11:56.52 | Coweater | desksides iirc? |
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| 11:57.02 | threat | doublehp_, with 24 CPU's? |
| 11:57.26 | doublehp_ | threat: no ... just two dual and one tripple (my 4100 is missing a pcu ) |
| 11:57.32 | doublehp_ | 4100 should be 4 |
| 11:57.56 | rvalles | how did the fourth dissapear? |
| 11:59.36 | doublehp_ | rvalles: never got it :( |
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| 11:59.42 | teleyinex | with an initrd kernel you must have at least some modules, not? |
| 11:59.51 | tarzeau | sewi: forever |
| 11:59.55 | caphuso | teleyinex: no |
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| 12:00.22 | int_21h | is gaim can view webcam? |
| 12:00.27 | tarzeau | int_21h: no |
| 12:00.32 | doublehp_ | teleyinex: yes: initrd support, plus RomFS |
| 12:00.44 | teleyinex | well, i was trying to install a monolithic kernel, and dpkg give me errors |
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| 12:00.53 | doublehp_ | int_21h: vv suport ought to be included in 2.0, and actually is NOT available in beta |
| 12:01.01 | teleyinex | saying that there isnt any module |
| 12:01.18 | teleyinex | so, caphuso are you wrong? |
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| 12:01.24 | int_21h | what can you suggest aside from gaim? |
| 12:01.58 | caphuso | teleyinex: no, i'm not |
| 12:02.02 | tarzeau | int_21h: something with webcam? windows |
| 12:02.05 | tarzeau | int_21h: or mac os x |
| 12:02.10 | int_21h | waiks |
| 12:02.18 | int_21h | yaiks |
| 12:02.21 | doublehp_ | int_21h: wine+trillina :D or centericq |
| 12:02.29 | doublehp_ | trilian |
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| 12:02.44 | redguy|work | int_21h: gomemeeting maybe? |
| 12:02.45 | doublehp_ | centericq rox :) |
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| 12:03.01 | doublehp_ | where does ntpdate read server list ? |
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| 12:03.20 | caphuso | doublehp_: command line |
| 12:03.30 | int_21h | tarzeau, thank you for your effor for suggesting :( |
| 12:03.34 | tarzeau | doublehp_: /etc/default/ ? |
| 12:03.38 | int_21h | *effort |
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| 12:03.46 | redguy|work | doublehp_: or /etc/default/something |
| 12:03.48 | tarzeau | int_21h: you're welcome |
| 12:04.09 | teleyinex | so doublehp_ says different from you, no? |
| 12:04.10 | tarzeau | int_21h: free software is nice, but it's not for everything |
| 12:04.12 | delire_ | doublehp_: ntpdate just gets the time from a server based for your given timezone doesn't it? |
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| 12:04.28 | caphuso | doublehp_: ntp doesn't use timezones |
| 12:04.37 | caphuso | damn, delire_ ^^^ |
| 12:04.47 | delire_ | right, interesting. |
| 12:04.55 | diana | doublehp_: type tzconfig to change your time...and ntpdate pool.ntp.org to sync your time. |
| 12:05.14 | doublehp_ | delire_: caphuso> doublehp_: ntp doesn't use timezones |
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| 12:05.43 | caphuso | timezones are used when you convert the internal time (in epoch seconds) to something user visible |
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| 12:06.59 | delire_ | caphuso: right, so ntpdate doesn't need to concern itself with it. it's converted locally. |
| 12:07.11 | caphuso | delire_: right |
| 12:07.52 | RichiH | delire_: there is also a daemon which can keep your time up to date |
| 12:08.02 | RichiH | (pun intended) |
| 12:08.11 | delire_ | RichiH: ho ho ho ;) |
| 12:08.28 | RichiH | but make sure to start it with -g |
| 12:08.50 | delire_ | RichiH: great, will investigate. cheers. |
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| 12:09.04 | caphuso | RichiH: normally not necessary, because ntpdate will run just before ntpd is started |
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| 12:09.15 | RichiH | good, good, watson |
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| 12:09.26 | RichiH | caphuso: while that is true, i have had problems |
| 12:09.40 | RichiH | for example, a laptop might not have internet while booting |
| 12:09.52 | RichiH | also, if you are on dial-up, it will not work that way |
| 12:10.01 | doublehp_ | I had that gpg error 'key not available' when updating apt ... what is the solution already ? used to be in topic ... no more now |
| 12:10.13 | RichiH | !2006 key |
| 12:10.13 | dpkg | it has been said that 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. installing this package may not be auto-verifiable; OR! you can install the key as follow, explicitly trusting the keyserver with no verification -- gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - && apt-get update |
| 12:10.14 | Jake_ | postgres8 isnt in apt, if i download and install it manually, a will i break things and b is there something i need to tell apt ?? |
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| 12:10.51 | RichiH | Jake_: there is always a risk with third-party packages |
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| 12:11.17 | caphuso | hrm, the /topic still says "PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE..." |
| 12:11.18 | RichiH | but if it is a .deb, you should not have to 'tell' apt about it |
| 12:11.30 | RichiH | caphuso: /topic? |
| 12:11.44 | ubik` | hi |
| 12:11.53 | RichiH | i mean, nothing against /cycle, but.. :) |
| 12:11.55 | RichiH | ho |
| 12:11.58 | int_21h | elo |
| 12:12.04 | ubik` | lets go |
| 12:12.05 | ubik` | :p |
| 12:12.08 | int_21h | ok |
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| 12:12.14 | caphuso | RichiH: was making sure that my client didn't get out of sync for some reason |
| 12:12.20 | ChrisDE | hi |
| 12:12.43 | RichiH | caphuso: ah |
| 12:12.57 | doublehp_ | caphuso: ah yes :( |
| 12:13.03 | ChrisDE | can anyone tell me how to switch on the backspace and the del key? |
| 12:13.04 | RichiH | /quote topic #debian |
| 12:13.07 | caphuso | occasionally even i have a good reason for doing something :) |
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| 12:13.27 | RichiH | that would imply no desync is possible, though |
| 12:13.46 | RichiH | unless irssi is really, really crappy ;p |
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| 12:14.07 | caphuso | well, i don't even know if irssi does some clever topic caching |
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| 12:19.06 | delire_ | oh dear, apt does have bad grammar: "W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs:" |
| 12:19.36 | delire_ | either s/are/is or s/key/keys |
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| 12:20.34 | teleyinex | I get this error: |
| 12:20.47 | teleyinex | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.58 | teleyinex | -> /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /dev/mapper/vg0-root: Kernel does not support LVM |
| 12:21.07 | teleyinex | mkinitrd: /dev/mapper/vg0-root: Kernel does not support LVM |
| 12:21.10 | teleyinex | a |
| 12:21.26 | delire | teleyinex: so, does your kernel support Large Volume Management? |
| 12:21.33 | teleyinex | quit |
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| 12:22.06 | teleyinex | I dont know what happend |
| 12:22.14 | teleyinex | well i get this error: |
| 12:22.18 | sep | delire, write a bug report. |
| 12:22.32 | teleyinex | usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /dev/mapper/vg0-root: Kernel does not support LVM |
| 12:22.38 | delire | sep: hehe sure |
| 12:22.45 | TBBle | If I were to hazard a guess, your kernel doesn't support LVM. |
| 12:22.47 | teleyinex | and i have checked that dm_mod is marked |
| 12:22.57 | TBBle | Damn, I lose. |
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| 12:23.04 | delire | teleyinex: < delire> teleyinex: so, does your kernel support Large Volume Management? |
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| 12:23.18 | TBBle | delire: LVM's not "Large Volume Management" |
| 12:23.32 | delire | TBBle: oh, it's not? |
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| 12:23.46 | sep | !lvi |
| 12:23.48 | sep | !lvm |
| 12:23.48 | dpkg | [lvm] at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
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| 12:24.06 | TBBle | teleyinex: Does lvdisplay give sensible output? |
| 12:24.07 | delire | ahah that's right. of course. |
| 12:24.25 | caphuso | teleyinex: i don't think you're going to have much fun using mkinitrd for something as non-standard as you are trying to achieve |
| 12:24.36 | delire | LBA and LVM spontaneously blended somehow. |
| 12:25.16 | teleyinex | yes |
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| 12:25.30 | TBBle | Isn't the L in LBA also "Logical"? |
| 12:25.40 | dimir | Yes! |
| 12:25.46 | dimir | !lba |
| 12:25.46 | dpkg | from memory, lba is Logical Block Addressing. or good bios informations at http://usuarios.intercom.es/ag0ny/msxdev.html |
| 12:25.49 | teleyinex | Im trying to compile the kernel from the machine that has the lvm |
| 12:26.00 | teleyinex | so I should be able to do it |
| 12:26.02 | teleyinex | ;) |
| 12:26.05 | TBBle | teleyinex: Then mkinitrd's giving the wrong answer, so it's testing something that's failing and shouldn't... You could read the mkinitrd script and see what causes the error. |
| 12:26.19 | delire | TBBle: bloody hell. clearly too early for me. |
| 12:26.28 | caphuso | teleyinex: didn't you say earlier that you had a kernel without modules? |
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| 12:28.16 | devilx | is there a liferea package compiled without dbus stuff? |
| 12:28.46 | teleyinex | caphuso now has some modules |
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| 12:31.28 | g0dz1` | õàé ïèïëû |
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| 12:31.29 | g0dz1` | âíàòóðå |
| 12:31.31 | g0dz1` | õàé ïèïëû |
| 12:31.32 | g0dz1` | âíàòóðå |
| 12:31.37 | Sux | ¸ |
| 12:31.40 | Sux | ïèäîðàñû |
| 12:31.43 | g0dz1` | Sux, hi man |
| 12:31.52 | Sux | g0dz1` hi |
| 12:32.13 | Sux | ýé ïèäîðû âû ãäå |
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| 12:32.42 | odb | hello, what am i missing if i can print to file (PDF) in konqeror, but not in firefox ? |
| 12:32.52 | odb | firefox just offers PS-Files |
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| 12:34.43 | Berge | odb: You could always create a PS-file and convert it to PDF with ps2pdf. |
| 12:34.46 | delire | odb: not much, this is a Konqueror feature IIRC. you'll need to ps2pdf convert them later |
| 12:35.11 | Berge | odb: Though, there are CUPS-drivers to do the same in Firefox. |
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| 12:35.15 | odb | ok, thank you both. but i think there was a way to direclty create pdfs out of FF |
| 12:35.23 | odb | mk ok |
| 12:35.48 | Berge | But hey, PDF is just a subset of PS anyway (-: |
| 12:35.51 | sep | odb, or you can install cups-pdf and print to pdf from any aplication using regular cups |
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| 12:36.06 | delire | sep: nice to know |
| 12:36.09 | odb | okok. Berge my prof def. dont want to have PS files |
| 12:36.12 | odb | thats why im asking |
| 12:36.15 | nevyn | odb: use kprinter as your print command from firefox? |
| 12:36.21 | Berge | odb: Ah. |
| 12:36.32 | dvm1981 | I have a second monitor that i would like to connect to my video card. ATI Readeon 9600, my first monitor is connected to the blue VGA thing 9 |
| 12:37.15 | Berge | dvm1981: So you'd want xinerama, to extend your X desktop to both monitors? |
| 12:37.16 | sep | dvm1981, "the blue thing" is generaly not an very good description :) |
| 12:37.18 | dvm1981 | The second monitor i would like to connect it to the secont white DVI to use it at the same time. So it can be usefull when i are on the chat |
| 12:37.45 | Berge | sep: "blue thing" is probably standard VGA-plug (-: |
| 12:37.51 | dvm1981 | sep : Sorry, my english is verry bad, im from Belguim |
| 12:37.59 | sep | Berge, we all know that. :) |
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| 12:38.17 | delire | dvm1981: flemish or francophone? |
| 12:38.37 | dvm1981 | delire : Dutch :-0 |
| 12:38.42 | odb | nevyn: where can i define that ? |
| 12:38.46 | doublehp_ | "distcc[19404] (dcc_writex) ERROR: failed to write: Connection refused" ... what could cause that ? machines can ping, process running on server |
| 12:38.49 | odb | btw: cups-pdf is already installed |
| 12:38.50 | delire | dvm1981: ahah, not sure there is a #debian-nl ;) |
| 12:38.53 | dvm1981 | delire : Yes both language |
| 12:39.06 | dvm1981 | delire : i can the both, and little bit english |
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| 12:39.13 | Knight_Lord | How often do you have bad blocks on 400GB hard drives? I have about 45 400s harddrives and have about 1 bad block a week. Is the failure rate this high or do i just have bad hard drives? |
| 12:39.29 | jm_ | I have no 400G drives ;) |
| 12:39.49 | sep | Knight_Lord, you have proper colling ofcouse ? |
| 12:39.53 | sep | cooling |
| 12:40.07 | Knight_Lord | sep yes |
| 12:40.08 | dvm1981 | delire : he thx for the tip, but it seems that im there alone, like ... |
| 12:40.18 | delire | dvm1981: for future reference, if your french is better than your english, you may find #debian-fr easier. |
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| 12:40.23 | Knight_Lord | sep i'm using RAID6 at the moment and it does not seem good enough |
| 12:40.30 | sep | not one in several months |
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| 12:40.42 | sep | *crosses fingers* |
| 12:40.43 | Knight_Lord | sep how many disks do you havE? |
| 12:40.45 | odb | and: ps2pdf seems not to be in apt, right ? |
| 12:40.55 | sep | only 20 ish but not all in same array |
| 12:40.57 | Knight_Lord | sep how do you know you don't have bad blocks? |
| 12:41.06 | dvm1981 | delire : Oh :-0 yes that is great for my wife ;-) |
| 12:41.16 | Knight_Lord | sep what kind of disks btw? |
| 12:41.20 | djp | can anybody please tell me what the default radio stations are that music player (rhythmbox) is configured with by default? i am running debian 3.1 sarge and it is installed by default. should there be 11 preset radio stations by default? |
| 12:41.24 | Knight_Lord | sep i have mostly seagates, some hitachi |
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| 12:41.35 | sep | well the controllers can hid e it for me ofcouse. but i do get email alerts on other issues. |
| 12:41.39 | delire | dvm1981: great.. |
| 12:41.45 | sep | Knight_Lord, same |
| 12:41.45 | dvm1981 | delire : My french writing is like the english i think, depending on the day |
| 12:41.48 | Knight_Lord | sep what kind of raid do you use? |
| 12:41.50 | sep | spinpoints or desktars |
| 12:42.03 | Knight_Lord | sep how big? |
| 12:42.07 | sep | raid1 and raid5 or raid 10 but no raid 6 |
| 12:42.19 | Berge | odb: It should be. I figure I got the name wrong. The certainly are tools to convert PS files to PDF somewhere. |
| 12:42.25 | Knight_Lord | sep how big each hard drive? |
| 12:42.51 | allgo | Berge, ps2pdf :) |
| 12:42.52 | sep | i have some 500 some 400 and some older 180's |
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| 12:43.01 | sep | or was that 160... ?? |
| 12:43.03 | dvm1981 | delire : Sure it's great also for the brother of my wife, he can not english like my wife and would not try to learn it. I love English, but it's not evident to learn |
| 12:43.10 | Knight_Lord | sep probably 160 |
| 12:43.21 | sep | SP1604 |
| 12:43.34 | Knight_Lord | sep i think this is more a problem with 400 and 500. My 250 don't seem to suffer from the same problem |
| 12:43.35 | sep | how do you notice bad blocks ? |
| 12:43.36 | dvm1981 | delire : So now a can say his to go on the french chat and ... |
| 12:43.53 | Knight_Lord | sep i just notice bad blocks when i actually read them (usually during a reconstruction) |
| 12:44.15 | Knight_Lord | sep i'm using software raid. I noticed badblocks doesn't detect the bad blocks. Only if you use the non destructuve read write more (-n) |
| 12:44.28 | odb | Berge: mh, i was thinking so too, but... |
| 12:44.39 | odb | anyway, i already solved it using my mac hehe |
| 12:44.41 | sep | Knight_Lord, ohh i use mostly 3ware cards. |
| 12:44.41 | Berge | allgo: Yep, I know. Just forgot which package it's in. |
| 12:44.51 | sep | but i have linux raids also |
| 12:45.09 | sep | besides the one attempth with a promise controller (dont say anything) it's been all good |
| 12:45.12 | Knight_Lord | sep i also have them all on 3ware cards but am using software due to the raid6 and some performance reasons (and some problems witht he driver in 2.4 kernels) |
| 12:45.28 | Berge | odb: It's in gs-common, I think. |
| 12:45.34 | Knight_Lord | sep i also have a promise card on my desk ready to be trown away :-P |
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| 12:46.13 | sep | Knight_Lord, 9xxx series ? |
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| 12:46.40 | Knight_Lord | sep yea 9500-8S |
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| 12:47.24 | Knight_Lord | sep https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121434 this is the bug |
| 12:47.44 | Knight_Lord | sep (not redhat dependent unfortunately) |
| 12:47.51 | delire | dvm1981: english is mostly a collection of phrases. it's an improvised "punchline" language, good for jokes and plays with words. reliable rules are themselves exceptions. here in the EU it's used as an interface between languages - only easy to learn due to the ubiquity of UK/US popular culture. |
| 12:48.52 | odb | Berge: already installed ;) |
| 12:48.54 | Knight_Lord | sep has been going for almost 2 years and no one really knows what's the problem |
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| 12:49.05 | odb | but still thank you for the advice |
| 12:49.10 | Berge | odb: Great (-: It's there? |
| 12:49.16 | dvm1981 | I have look for the xinerama but it seems not packaged for the Stabe version. Right ? |
| 12:49.19 | Berge | Oh, well, if you got your problem solved, I'll shut up (-: |
| 12:49.20 | odb | in function no |
| 12:49.43 | odb | ah ok |
| 12:49.45 | odb | got it |
| 12:49.50 | Berge | dvm1981: xinerama is available in sarge, iirc. You just need to configure it by hand. |
| 12:49.54 | odb | my fault, i already can access the cmd. |
| 12:50.09 | odb | so shut up :) no just kidding |
| 12:50.14 | Berge | odb: (-: |
| 12:50.18 | odb | :) |
| 12:51.12 | Berge | dvm1981: Can be bit quirky to set up, tough. Fortunatly, there's lots of HOWTO's around. |
| 12:51.20 | dvm1981 | delire : I little bit understand, or you have set the light on here |
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| 12:51.42 | delire | dvm1981: hehe ok. |
| 12:51.44 | dvm1981 | Berge : I go to look on tldp :-) |
| 12:51.55 | Berge | dvm1981: Go Google as well (-: |
| 12:52.10 | ringu | blame, google myth |
| 12:52.22 | ringu | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.26 | blame | ? |
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| 12:52.43 | dvm1981 | Berge : Ok try first with Google :-) |
| 12:52.50 | kombi | what was the name of the reverse engineered nvidia driver again? |
| 12:53.03 | Berge | kombi: nv |
| 12:53.05 | cheal | kombi: network driver? forcedeth? |
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| 12:53.17 | kombi | cheal: thanks! |
| 12:53.21 | Berge | dvm1981: Basically, what you want is both video cards configured in their respective Device-sections your xorg.conf, and a ServerLayout with xinerama, I think. |
| 12:53.22 | cheal | Berge: nv isn't RE, it's obfuscated |
| 12:53.48 | Berge | cheal: As I recall it, is nv the open source driver and nvidia the binary one. Could be the other way around, tough. |
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| 12:53.54 | Berge | For X, that is. |
| 12:54.15 | dvm1981 | Berge : i have only one video card in this computer with an blue VGA and a white DVI, |
| 12:54.27 | cheal | Berge: right. for the graphics drivers |
| 12:54.40 | bobbens | dvm1981: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/radeon.4.html should help you on how to set up the driver |
| 12:54.47 | dvm1981 | Berge : The first result on Google is > tldp :-) Yes |
| 12:55.11 | _max_ | Anyone get a Nvidia card running twinview and one more card working in xorg ? |
| 12:55.11 | Berge | dvm1981: Are you using the binary drivers or the free ones? |
| 12:55.16 | dvm1981 | bobbens : Thx :-) |
| 12:55.38 | _max_ | iv got an onboard Intel 82865G card with a 21", and a Geforce MX4000 (pci) with 2 19" monitors on. |
| 12:55.53 | _max_ | iv got the 2x 19" working fine using twinview, but i just can't get the intel chipset working. |
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| 12:56.23 | dvm1981 | I must say that the 3D here is not set up, so i can not play 3D game, but that's not really i problem. I have no time to play for long time games |
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| 12:57.34 | dvm1981 | But so the drivers for my video card it think are the default VGA drivers. I don't know if this can give a problem to setup two monitors on one video card with two connectors. |
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| 12:59.16 | teleyinex | well I dont get success in this task |
| 12:59.34 | teleyinex | but I know it must be done |
| 12:59.48 | dvm1981 | Berge : Euhm, i must be good thinking, its some time ago ... |
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| 13:00.00 | teleyinex | because the installation of sarge enables it from the beginning |
| 13:00.19 | Berge | dvm1981: Try http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors#With_the_Open_Source_Drivers |
| 13:00.22 | teleyinex | I dont know where could be the problem in the mkinitrd |
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| 13:02.02 | dvm1981 | Berge : Euh, first i used the default then i have try to install the binary from the official website, but that have not work, then i had troubles with xfree and his would not work, then i had to restore the 'XFree86-config' file |
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| 13:02.32 | Berge | dvm1981: You're using XFree86 and not xorg? |
| 13:02.57 | dvm1981 | Berge : Stable, so XFree86 i think |
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| 13:03.13 | dvm1981 | Berge : Right ? |
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| 13:03.38 | dvm1981 | Berge : Yes i using XFree |
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| 13:04.07 | Berge | dvm1981: Yep, in Sarge you've got XFree86. |
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| 13:04.53 | gorski | my mysql server doesn't stop. |
| 13:05.31 | fireba11 | gorski: is that a question ? |
| 13:05.47 | dvm1981 | OK i look now on the website and test it out :-) So i let it know ;-) |
| 13:05.59 | Berge | dvm1981: Ok, good luck (-: |
| 13:06.01 | gorski | i have problem to install mysql-server 4.1 |
| 13:06.18 | Berge | gorski: And the problem seems to be? |
| 13:06.33 | gorski | i must remove phpmyadmin but it gives me an error |
| 13:06.44 | Berge | gorski: What error? |
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| 13:07.44 | gorski | i do not see it now, synaptic blocked |
| 13:08.28 | gorski | how to force closing |
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| 13:09.04 | Berge | gorski: In a terminal: killall synaptic |
| 13:09.25 | gorski | not permitted |
| 13:09.33 | Berge | As root, probably. |
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| 13:09.37 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 13:09.37 | Berge | sudo killall synaptiv |
| 13:09.42 | Berge | ..synaptic, even. |
| 13:09.48 | elephantMan | Is there something like 'koffice' under gnome ? |
| 13:09.55 | gorski | ok |
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| 13:10.19 | gorski | now, how to remove phpmyadmin |
| 13:10.26 | Nirgal | elephantMan: koffice huuuu :/ openoffice rocks! |
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| 13:10.47 | elephantMan | Nirgal, ok thanx a lot |
| 13:10.50 | Berge | elephantMan: No, not directly, but there are office suits built on GTK, so they have Gnome look and feel. Abiword and Gnumeric for your word processor and spreadsheet needs (-: |
| 13:11.15 | Berge | elephantMan: Though, OpenOffice, as Nirgal points out, is more the mother of all office suits (-: |
| 13:11.19 | Berge | gorski: aptitude remove phpmyadmin |
| 13:11.23 | Deviad | maduuuuu |
| 13:11.25 | Berge | gorski: Still as root. |
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| 13:12.01 | cheal | gorski: apt-get remove phpmyadmin |
| 13:12.03 | elephantMan | Berge, ok its clear now - thanx |
| 13:12.07 | Berge | elephantMan: Still, I find myself using Abiword alot. Neat and fast, with the correct amount of features. |
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| 13:12.29 | gorski | how to open terminal in root |
| 13:12.47 | Berge | gorski: Type "su -" in the terminal, that gives you a root prompt. |
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| 13:13.01 | Berge | gorski: Or, if you've got sudo set up, type "sudo -s" |
| 13:13.26 | doublehp_ | are KVM known to bug with laptops ? |
| 13:14.08 | gorski | ok, i have problem stoping mysql-server |
| 13:14.30 | Berge | gorski: What does "/etc/init.d/mysql stop" say? |
| 13:14.35 | teleyinex | cya! |
| 13:14.42 | Vlat | gorski: ? /etc/init.d/mysql stop doesn't work ? |
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| 13:15.12 | gorski | i must manually run dphg --configure -a |
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| 13:15.32 | Berge | gorski: Well, do so? |
| 13:15.38 | gorski | but it blocks |
| 13:15.48 | Berge | gorski: What error message do you get? |
| 13:16.00 | Berge | "It blocks" is a bit uninformative (-: |
| 13:16.28 | gorski | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld - thats all |
| 13:16.57 | Berge | Well, what's the problem? |
| 13:17.16 | Vlat | gorski: ps ax|grep mysql |
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| 13:17.26 | Vlat | gorski: does it return anything ? |
| 13:17.33 | lunitik | Berge: isn't it fun extracting *real* questions from what people say? :P |
| 13:17.45 | Berge | lunitik: It's an art (-: |
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| 13:18.17 | gorski | yes, what now? |
| 13:18.18 | Vlat | :-) |
| 13:18.46 | lunitik | Vlat: tech support is evil... last time I did that, I left every day wanting to kill people |
| 13:18.48 | Vlat | gorski: killall -9 mysql |
| 13:18.48 | EdLin | gorski: in general Unix programs don't return extra messages if everything goes well |
| 13:19.08 | Berge | Vlat: He could probably try without -9 first. |
| 13:19.09 | Vlat | lunaphyte: i left such job a year ago |
| 13:19.11 | EdLin | Vlat: that's a bad idea |
| 13:19.24 | Berge | Vlat: Give the programs a chance to clean up for themselves (-: |
| 13:19.24 | Vlat | lunaphyte: but i'm still hate people :-) |
| 13:19.35 | lunaphyte_ | eh ? |
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| 13:19.37 | lunitik | Vlat: I haven't done anything like that in around 2-3 years... still have nightmares about it though |
| 13:19.49 | elephantMan | I don't know why but since i changed my internet connexion, i have a authentication problem while i 'apt-get update/dist-upgrade' |
| 13:19.57 | Vlat | Berge: a guy asked to stop mysql server. killall -9 will stop it *guaranted* :)) |
| 13:19.58 | lunitik | lunaphyte_: don't mind him... his auto completion sucks ;) |
| 13:20.03 | valdyn | elephantMan: /topic |
| 13:20.08 | Guerin | !mhallsmite Silent_al |
| 13:20.09 | lunaphyte_ | figured. :) |
| 13:20.10 | Berge | Vlat: Well, yes (-: |
| 13:20.14 | gorski | no process killed |
| 13:20.18 | Vlat | by the way |
| 13:20.29 | Vlat | it seems mysql wasn't installed from the package |
| 13:20.37 | elephantMan | It tells me to 'apt-get' update to repair this though its this command that make the error |
| 13:20.37 | Vlat | downloaded from mysql.com/compiled, dunno |
| 13:20.37 | gorski | by the way, how to free space on disk, it is full |
| 13:20.40 | elephantMan | What can i do ? |
| 13:20.45 | elephantMan | valdyn, sorry ? |
| 13:20.45 | EdLin | gorski: how do you know no process was killed? |
| 13:20.50 | Vlat | but init script _have to_ stop the service |
| 13:20.52 | valdyn | elephantMan: read the topic |
| 13:20.55 | Silent_al | Guerin, i wonder how come you know that command.. :P |
| 13:21.16 | gorski | i closed the terminal where mysql was stoping |
| 13:21.28 | lunitik | Silent_al: all the regulars know those triggers with the bot... |
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| 13:21.49 | Berge | gorski: If your disk is full, mysql and apt will probably return strange errors. |
| 13:21.56 | Robspiere | people are spamming accounts that don't exist on my mail server, my mail server is replying to them with the "Email could not be delivered" email, but their email doesn't exist either so I'm getting "Undeliverable Mail" emails back. Using postfix. Is it possible to check somehow if their email exists before trying to send the undeliverable email to them? |
| 13:21.58 | lunitik | Silent_al: its what keeps them entertained... its saves many a life I'd imagine |
| 13:21.58 | Berge | gorski: "aptitude clean" usually frees up some space. |
| 13:22.16 | MICHAEL | HELLO |
| 13:22.19 | sep | the bot knows 146 different smites. wonder who knows everyone of those :) |
| 13:22.35 | Guerin | 146? is that all? |
| 13:22.37 | raf256 | !smitesmite sep |
| 13:22.47 | valdyn | Robspiere: no |
| 13:22.57 | MICHAEL | OLA |
| 13:23.02 | Vlat | 501 Hostname expected. |
| 13:23.08 | raf256 | MICHAEL: HELLO ITALIANO |
| 13:23.08 | Guerin | MICHAEL: YOUR CAPSLOCK KEY IS BROKEN |
| 13:23.11 | Berge | MICHAEL: I think you've got your caps lock key stuck. |
| 13:23.21 | raf256 | !it |
| 13:23.21 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 13:23.27 | lunitik | sep: you mean 146 triggers for smites? you're encluding things like lart, smite, different user smites etc? |
| 13:23.33 | Guerin | raf256: wtf? |
| 13:23.41 | MICHAEL | BERGE MARICON |
| 13:23.43 | Guerin | rima-tde is spain |
| 13:23.46 | valdyn | Robspiere: you could check if the dns domain name is valid, that's all |
| 13:23.51 | EdLin | !es |
| 13:23.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:23.55 | MICHAEL | GUERIN TONTO |
| 13:23.59 | raf256 | Guerin: I thought he is italiano, sorry |
| 13:24.12 | Guerin | MICHAEL FUCKTARDO |
| 13:24.14 | sep | lunitik, simply a listkeys smite. keys with no smite in them obviously fals out |
| 13:24.26 | valdyn | Robspiere: im not sure why you are playing relay for spam though.. |
| 13:24.33 | raf256 | MICHAEL: Por favor usen #debian-es |
| 13:24.33 | MICHAEL | GUERIN HIJO DE PUTA |
| 13:24.45 | azeem | MICHAEL: please stop writing in all caps |
| 13:25.04 | Guerin | MICHAEL: FIXO EL KEYBOARDO |
| 13:25.22 | gorski | how to force to empty wastebascet? |
| 13:25.24 | lunitik | Not to mention disrespecting users in foreign tongue :| |
| 13:25.36 | Guerin | yeah, i knw ... I'm a bad, bad person |
| 13:25.37 | MICHAEL | SPEAK SPANISH |
| 13:25.40 | Berge | gorski: In Gnome? |
| 13:25.42 | POVaddct | MICHAEL: geh kacken junge |
| 13:25.45 | raf256 | MICHAEL: Por favor usen #debian-es god damnit |
| 13:25.47 | azeem | POVaddct: uhm |
| 13:25.54 | valdyn | Robspiere: so what you probably really want is to not relay spam at all... |
| 13:25.59 | POVaddct | azeem: sorry |
| 13:26.00 | backblue | udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted. |
| 13:26.06 | gorski | yes |
| 13:26.18 | backblue | doing upgrade from stable to testing, and now? |
| 13:26.24 | Berge | gorski: Right-click it and select "Empty trash"? |
| 13:26.25 | Robspiere | so basicly stop the spam before it tries to get to the invalid account? |
| 13:26.27 | elephantMan | valdyn, if i understand - this security problem is due to a change in apt version ? |
| 13:26.45 | raf256 | backblue: uhmm.. isntall 2.6.12 or higher kernel? |
| 13:26.47 | elephantMan | valdyn, though none of the command dpkg is giving is working for me |
| 13:26.47 | valdyn | elephantMan: yea, but that happened a while ago in sid / etch |
| 13:26.50 | lunitik | I obviously found this feature and thought it was neato... but now its just annoying! |
| 13:26.59 | elephantMan | valdyn, i am on etch |
| 13:27.02 | azeem | voila |
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| 13:27.06 | Guerin | Robspiere: set your mta to reject at smtp time |
| 13:27.09 | raf256 | omg again? |
| 13:27.12 | jm_ | lunitik: man xset |
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| 13:27.32 | lunitik | jm_: thank you... am I looking for anything in particular... or should it be pretty obvious? |
| 13:27.39 | jm_ | lunitik: it's obvious |
| 13:27.49 | lunitik | jm_: alright... thanks a lot |
| 13:27.54 | dvm1981 | Berge : I have modified the file XFree86 file, so i need to restart my XFree86 and how, or simply reboot the computer. |
| 13:27.56 | Robspiere | k, i'll look into that. I'm new to this email server stuff |
| 13:28.18 | Berge | dvm1981: You need to restart X, for example with /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 13:28.23 | Berge | dvm1981: ..if you use GDM. |
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| 13:28.53 | backblue | raf256: it gives me more dependencies |
| 13:29.19 | elephantMan | What this key is supposed to do ? Verify packages origin ? |
| 13:29.37 | Guerin | backblue: uninstall udev and anything which eneds it, then do the upgrade. |
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| 13:29.44 | elephantMan | Is it one key for everyone | is it one key per client ? |
| 13:30.00 | Guerin | backblue: then install a kernel newer than 2.6.12; then install udev and all the other shit again |
| 13:30.03 | dvm1981 | Berge : thx, comming back |
| 13:30.05 | Berge | elephantMan: The packages are signed. The keys check if they're signed på Debian, and not by your local black hat. |
| 13:30.12 | lunitik | jm_: sooo.... 'xset c off'? its not really clear what exactly on and off mean... does on stop multiple keys? |
| 13:30.12 | MICHAEL | YTUYUYYUTGIUYYUIYY |
| 13:30.23 | jm_ | lunitik: no |
| 13:30.24 | elephantMan | Berge, ok thanx |
| 13:30.25 | Guerin | ... |
| 13:30.25 | MICHAEL | FGJGHKGLJGHJKL |
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| 13:30.40 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*n=polvo@*.Red-83-45-240.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] by azeem |
| 13:30.41 | *** kick/#debian [MICHAEL!n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] by azeem (NO CAPS) |
| 13:30.42 | Berge | elephantMan: So the packages are signed by a private key, and apt uses the public key to check just that. |
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| 13:30.50 | lunitik | jm_: so I am right with what I said as the command? |
| 13:31.05 | fluctuoso | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.21 | azeem | fluctuoso: why are you doing this? |
| 13:31.22 | jm_ | lunitik: no, search for repeat |
| 13:31.39 | raf256 | is MICHAEL mentaly retarded? |
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| 13:31.55 | lunitik | jm_: wow... I feel like a retard... sorry |
| 13:32.13 | diego | hjkhkkj |
| 13:32.21 | raf256 | oh no, it is contaigues |
| 13:32.29 | azeem | it's the same IP |
| 13:32.47 | raf256 | contagious even |
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| 13:33.04 | fluctuoso | I not speak englis very well |
| 13:33.10 | azeem | fluctuoso: /j #debian-es |
| 13:33.20 | fluctuoso | azeem |
| 13:33.20 | diego | Hello fructuoso |
| 13:33.21 | diego | raf 356 hello |
| 13:33.36 | Vlat | fsck! xine seems to suck. |
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| 13:33.52 | Berge | dvm1981: Well, I got to go. Good luck on your xinerama project (-: |
| 13:33.57 | Vlat | !dpkg mplayer |
| 13:33.57 | dpkg | methinks mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 13:34.01 | diego | hola Berge ke pas |
| 13:34.02 | fluctuoso | oa diego |
| 13:34.20 | azeem | diego, fluctuoso: please speak english or leave this channel |
| 13:34.20 | raf256 | ke pas nigga, wtf is with the espaniols here mon? |
| 13:34.23 | fluctuoso | emano ke pasa diego |
| 13:34.27 | azeem | raf256: watch it |
| 13:34.33 | raf256 | azeem: kdding :) |
| 13:34.33 | lunitik | Vlat: xine + w32codecs works just as well as mplayer + w32codecs |
| 13:34.36 | diego | Hello ingleses |
| 13:34.37 | raf256 | kidding even |
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| 13:34.58 | raf256 | diego: /j #debian-es |
| 13:35.11 | Vlat | lunitik: there're a strange issues with rewinding-forwarding the divx streams |
| 13:35.12 | lunitik | Vlat: neither are particularly useful without... |
| 13:35.27 | Vlat | lunitik: and it crashes ocassionally |
| 13:35.30 | lunitik | Vlat: I've never seen it? |
| 13:35.33 | strimvid | searched the web. can't find any write-up on setting up a streaming video server on a Debian etch machine. can anyone help? |
| 13:35.46 | diego | we are spanish |
| 13:35.47 | lunitik | Vlat: you tried other xine frontends? |
| 13:35.59 | lunitik | Vlat: I use totem-xine, and it seems to work fine... |
| 13:36.04 | azeem | diego: #debian-es is a spanish Debian channel |
| 13:36.05 | Vlat | lunitik: dunno, maybe the stream suck either.. everything i did was just apt-get install xine-ui |
| 13:36.25 | fluctuoso | olaaaaaaaaaaaa alguna girls |
| 13:36.30 | diego | some girl |
| 13:36.34 | lunitik | Vlat: ahh... I've found that xine-ui pretty much sucks.... slow! |
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| 13:36.41 | fluctuoso | aki co mi amigo diego |
| 13:36.42 | lunitik | not to mention buggy ime |
| 13:36.49 | Vlat | lunitik: totem you say..thanks for advice, i'll chek it out now |
| 13:36.50 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.Red-83-45-240.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] by azeem |
| 13:36.51 | lunitik | azeem: show off |
| 13:36.55 | elephantMan | What i don't understand is : 'apt-get update' says : NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F' though i have previously ran : 'gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv 4F368D5D'. The key should be present ? |
| 13:37.18 | azeem | diego, fluctuoso: You have been silenced for 10 minutes. Please speak spanish in here or leave. |
| 13:37.18 | lunitik | azeem: ahh nm... you actually did it for a reason |
| 13:37.22 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 13:37.29 | djp | can anyone tell me what the preset stations are by default with rhythmbox under debian 3.1? are there 11 presets by default? |
| 13:37.46 | Ronin | umm azeem dont you mean please speak english in here or leave? :) |
| 13:37.53 | raf256 | azeem: it would be nice to allow opers to force the server to redirect a user to #debian-es wouldnt it |
| 13:37.56 | lunitik | djp: something like that... mostly classical crap though... why do you ask? |
| 13:37.57 | azeem | Ronin: d'oh |
| 13:38.06 | azeem | diego, fluctuoso: You have been silenced for 10 minutes. Please speak english in here or leave. |
| 13:38.27 | lunitik | djp: first thing I do when I install Rhythmbox is remove those and wonder off to shoutcast.com |
| 13:38.31 | azeem | raf256: I am not sure they want to put up with everything we send them either :) |
| 13:38.46 | raf256 | ;) |
| 13:39.14 | djp | lunitik, :). i see. maybe i should do that then ... ;) |
| 13:39.19 | lunitik | azeem: you know you can set bans that forword users elsewhere on freenode? more useful... |
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| 13:39.34 | raf256 | IRC should send a small IQ teset before voicing |
| 13:39.56 | Ronin | raf256: computers should do an iq test before being allowed on the internet |
| 13:40.05 | azeem | lunitik: they had enough clues to /j #debian-es, if they have not done so already, they clearly only wanted to disturb this chan |
| 13:40.06 | Vlat | lunitik: i thing i should get my words back about the xine |
| 13:40.09 | raf256 | like: Did you vote bush? Do you belive rather in Creation, or FSM Do You think "os" is a synonim for "windows" and internet official logo is blue "e" |
| 13:40.12 | Vlat | lunitik: totem is great |
| 13:40.12 | azeem | so I don't see much point in forcing them there |
| 13:40.26 | azeem | Vlat: totem can use xine as backend |
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| 13:40.31 | fireba11 | raf256: ^^ |
| 13:41.17 | lunitik | Vlat: its pretty stable... I prefer it with a gstreamer back end... but I can't get that to work right now with gstreamer 0.10, and I need my pr0n ;P |
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| 13:41.53 | Vlat | lunitik: i'm not much gnome addict, is gstreamer is good anything for ? |
| 13:41.53 | lunitik | azeem: thats what he's doing right now... else it wouldn't be working ;) |
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| 13:42.08 | Vlat | lunitik: gnome addict i mean enviroment, not the shipped apps |
| 13:42.14 | lunitik | Vlat: its the future of media backends on linux probably |
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| 13:42.31 | lunitik | Vlat: Kaffeine is ok, but it gives me issues.... |
| 13:43.07 | lunitik | Vlat: most every linux based media player worth a damn has a gstreamer backend right now, even if its not the default yet... |
| 13:43.07 | Vlat | lunaphyte: tried kde 3.5 a couple days ago. decided to stay on current xfce |
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| 13:43.41 | lunitik | Vlat: ahhh... yeah... thats an issue... so many apps now drag along half of GNOME with them... |
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| 13:44.12 | Vlat | lunaphyte: yes, it took 15 minutes to remove everything kde metapack installed |
| 13:44.21 | dusty- | Hey guys, i have two hard drives in my debian 3.1 r1 machine, the first hda is for debian installation etc, and the other is a 200gb hdd that doesn't show up in df -h but was there in the installation, i want to use it as a storage partition, but can't seem to find it? |
| 13:44.33 | lunitik | I'm not a huge fan of GNOME, I prefer KDE or XFce too, but GNOME doesn't bother me that much, so it saves space in the long run |
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| 13:44.49 | smo_ | hi ,how can i do to unload a module "locked" he won t unload with modprobe -r -rf rmmod....... |
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| 13:44.58 | merlinx | dusty-: in order for something to show in df, it has to be mounted |
| 13:45.01 | petemc | dusty-: is it partioned, mounted? |
| 13:45.11 | dusty- | petemc, don't know. |
| 13:45.15 | petemc | wel.. |
| 13:45.18 | petemc | +l |
| 13:45.19 | Vlat | smo_: probally something using this module right now |
| 13:45.21 | merlinx | dusty-: mount output? |
| 13:45.30 | petemc | dont paste |
| 13:45.36 | smo_ | how can i list apps using a module? |
| 13:45.40 | dusty- | iits not in there either |
| 13:45.41 | Vlat | smo_: or it's subdependent of something. you can figure the things out by lsmod |
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| 13:45.57 | dusty- | hda, proc, sysfs, devpts, tmpfs, usbfs, tmpfs |
| 13:46.07 | lunitik | dusty-: does it at least show up via fdisk -l? |
| 13:46.08 | petemc | dusty-: fdisk -l /dev/whatever_it_is |
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| 13:46.27 | smo_ | damn my jack daemon was working..... |
| 13:46.29 | smo_ | ok now |
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| 13:46.31 | dusty- | look at this: |
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| 13:46.38 | dusty- | isk /dev/hdb: 203.9 GB, 203928109056 bytes |
| 13:46.38 | dusty- | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24792 cylinders |
| 13:46.38 | dusty- | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 13:46.41 | dusty- | i have that bit |
| 13:46.47 | dusty- | Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 13:46.57 | dusty- | so it looks like it exists without partitions |
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| 13:47.33 | petemc | dusty-: so create partitions, put a filesystem on them, mount them whereever |
| 13:47.49 | dusty- | petemc, How do i do that? |
| 13:48.01 | petemc | dusty-: fdisk, mkfs.whatever, mount |
| 13:48.03 | smo_ | is it possible to make a "pause" in a bash script between 2 commands?? |
| 13:48.20 | dusty- | petemc, |
| 13:48.22 | bbrazil | smo_: sleep |
| 13:48.27 | Vlat | smo_: yes, use sleep |
| 13:48.31 | dusty- | petemc, Do I have to do fdisk /dev/hdb ? |
| 13:48.38 | petemc | right |
| 13:48.42 | Vlat | smo_: sleep 2 gives a two second pause |
| 13:48.43 | smo_ | ok i ll look it exactly |
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| 13:48.45 | smo_ | thx |
| 13:48.48 | Vlat | np |
| 13:49.04 | doublehp_ | I have two network cards in a computer, is there a not so cimplex way to connect both to the hub/switch sharing the same IP to double bandwidth ? I d think about mac spoofing, or QOS daemons ... any body can point to tuto ? |
| 13:49.15 | NOthsouth | hello, how can I add services do startup ? |
| 13:49.17 | B[u]ZzY | hellolo |
| 13:49.18 | smo_ | i m doing a loader for my soundcard works nice now |
| 13:49.19 | B[u]ZzY | hellooooo |
| 13:49.26 | smo_ | just don t know how to link it to udev |
| 13:49.32 | smo_ | or hotplug |
| 13:49.36 | smo_ | i d understand... |
| 13:49.50 | sep | doublehp_, if your switch supports trunking you can do that. |
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| 13:49.52 | lunitik | doublehp_: spoofing is illegal... so you'll have to look into that on your own... |
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| 13:50.12 | sep | doublehp_, also called bonding |
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| 13:50.26 | dusty- | petemc, OK I did fdisk /dev/hdb, then I hit n to create a new partition, which type would I need extended or primary? |
| 13:50.26 | common | doublehp_: google for cinerella by heroinswarriors |
| 13:50.27 | doublehp_ | lunitik: O_O ? |
| 13:50.32 | common | they got something |
| 13:50.44 | petemc | dusty-: primary is fine if you dont want more than 4 partitions |
| 13:50.47 | lunitik | doublehp_: don't ask me why... I have no idea :/ |
| 13:50.56 | lunitik | doublehp_: I just know it is |
| 13:51.06 | dusty- | petemc, its a 200gb hdd, I want 1 partition. |
| 13:51.07 | petemc | doublehp_: some swtiches can do link aggregation for you |
| 13:51.09 | doublehp_ | lunitik: whats the matter with local nets ??????????? |
| 13:51.13 | lunitik | doublehp_: ask google about what sep said |
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| 13:51.19 | common | doublehp_: http://heroinewarrior.com/firehose.php3 |
| 13:51.26 | sep | doublehp_, you can use bonding/trunking. but both endpoints must support it. ie between your debian and another debian. or between your debian and a switch that support it |
| 13:51.34 | lunitik | doublehp_: beh... its illegal to spoof on the internet... |
| 13:51.50 | lunitik | doublehp_: what you do in your own network is up to you... |
| 13:51.52 | Silent_al | hello :) which app will let me scan for bad sectors on my HD? and an app for resizing partitions :) |
| 13:52.03 | dusty- | petemc, So is primary ok for one big partition? |
| 13:52.11 | lunitik | Silent_al: fsck and gparted |
| 13:52.14 | petemc | dusty-: sure |
| 13:52.14 | sep | lunitik, mac spoofing would never ever leave his network to get to the internet :) quit confusing the poor guy |
| 13:52.17 | Silent_al | thanx man :) |
| 13:52.20 | doublehp_ | petemc: I think my switch dont support that ... but maybe QOS could help |
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| 13:52.38 | Vlat | Silent_al: parted will help you to resize the partition, but sometimes it acts erm...strange |
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| 13:53.03 | doublehp_ | lunitik: then how can you tell me it is illegla when it is not ? |
| 13:53.11 | Silent_al | Vlat, alrighty :) |
| 13:53.37 | lunitik | doublehp_: just look into binding :| |
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| 13:54.32 | doublehp_ | sep: common petemc my local server would need to accept more requests: I d like to have 200 or 400mb link to switch, then leave the switch stuff with other 100 clients ... other wise, my server will limit the work |
| 13:54.45 | sep | doublehp_, qos will allow you to say that my ssh traffic is more important then my p0rn download. (or vice versa depending on need) ie it will prevent you from noticing that your line is full |
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| 13:54.59 | Dewi | does anyone know of software to reliably download enclosures from RSS (podcasts), while keeping some or all of their metadata? |
| 13:55.26 | sep | doublehp_, replace switch with one that have a gigabit port and put the server on gigabit. just as easy |
| 13:55.40 | lunitik | Dewi: ummm... Rhythmbox? |
| 13:55.58 | doublehp_ | sep: I just wanna 'emulate a Gb switch ' :) |
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| 13:56.11 | lunitik | Dewi: I'm pretty sure you're over thinking it... but Rhythmbox supports podcasts, while keeping metadata afaik |
| 13:56.12 | NetGrunt | hi there |
| 13:56.32 | Vlat | hi |
| 13:57.08 | Dewi | lunitik: I would have thought it was obvious to keep the surrounding xml in some way or other, but none of the popular clients seem to. they seem none too robust either, and have these fairly opaque and corruptable databases... |
| 13:57.39 | Dewi | lunitik: it doesn't help that lots of publishers seem to have no idea what a valid XML file looks like |
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| 13:57.42 | NetGrunt | I have a filename that starts with a number. Does anybody know which (sed/tr/cut/whatever) command do I have to pipe to echo $file to get rid of that initial number ? for example the file : 2backup.tgz and I want to issue "echo 2backup.tgz | whatever" and have it without the "2" |
| 13:57.43 | NetGrunt | thanks |
| 13:57.45 | sep | doublehp_, what service will the server provide ? |
| 13:57.51 | Lin | hi all |
| 13:57.58 | Vlat | Dewi: wget http://blabla/feed.rss ? |
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| 13:58.08 | lunitik | Dewi: Rhythmbox stores everything in XML... I'm using 0.9.2, and it has an item dedicated to podcasts, so I'd imagine plenty of work has gone into it... |
| 13:58.23 | Lin | I want to know if there is some way to pack some proc files as /proc/bus |
| 13:58.28 | sep | doublehp_, you might run different services on different ip's on the same switch, but it's a horrible hack and will probably break in interesting ways |
| 13:58.28 | lunitik | Dewi: I don't actually listen to podcasts, so I can't say for sure |
| 13:58.42 | Lin | hi |
| 13:59.44 | Vlat | Lin: you need to save a state of procfs you mean ? |
| 13:59.58 | Vlat | Lin: cat /proc/something > ~/something |
| 14:00.02 | Vlat | if i understood right |
| 14:00.15 | Lin | NetGrunt: sed 's/^[0-9]*//g' |
| 14:00.41 | smo_ | anyone can help me to link a script i made for my usb soundcard to udev ( i m on sid ) |
| 14:00.46 | smo_ | please |
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| 14:01.12 | valdyn | smo_: why are you doing that? |
| 14:01.20 | Lin | vlat but I need the structure too, and structure isnt stable, I can do a kind of for each, but there isn't a tar o something similar to do it? |
| 14:01.23 | NetGrunt | Lin, thank you very much |
| 14:01.26 | smo_ | my script works very good now |
| 14:01.28 | valdyn | smo_: considerung that applications do not access those device nodes.. |
| 14:01.32 | dusty- | petemc, I have done this: created partitions, then ran mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1 now how do I set it to auto mount and how do I create a mount point e.g. /home/dusty/fileserver ? |
| 14:01.33 | Lin | NetGrunt: be welcome |
| 14:01.44 | smo_ | i just want it to be executed automatically when i plugg the usb wire |
| 14:01.47 | valdyn | smo_: s/those/alsa/ |
| 14:02.01 | Vlat | Lin: in fact, there're no "files" at /proc. these're ..erm.. "abstract hardware data mapped to file form" :) |
| 14:02.03 | smo_ | it s a very special soundcard |
| 14:02.04 | Lin | you can use [[:digit:]] instead if yuo prefer. |
| 14:02.07 | smo_ | tascam us-122 |
| 14:02.15 | B[u]ZzY | ragazzi esiste un programma che mi mostra quali cartelle su linux sono piu grandi e quali piu piccole? |
| 14:02.16 | valdyn | smo_: that is a job for hotplug rather than udevd |
| 14:02.17 | Vlat | Lin: or not so hardware |
| 14:02.18 | Lin | vlat I know =D |
| 14:02.22 | smo_ | yeah |
| 14:02.25 | smo_ | but on my debian |
| 14:02.38 | smo_ | if i apt-get install hotplug it remove udev hal..... |
| 14:02.39 | diana | deadcat: you here? |
| 14:02.42 | Lin | Vlat: there is a simple and static program to list all my hardware? |
| 14:02.44 | smo_ | so i m lost |
| 14:02.54 | valdyn | smo_: the _program_ hotplug is in the _package_ udev |
| 14:03.00 | smo_ | ok |
| 14:03.04 | Vlat | Lin: hwinfo for example |
| 14:03.13 | Vlat | Lin: lspci too |
| 14:03.14 | POVaddct | are serial devices (/dev/ttyS0 ...) visible somewhere under /sys ? |
| 14:03.15 | Lin | vlat and lesser than 80k |
| 14:03.27 | smo_ | so what can i do of my script i tried yesterday by copying it to /etc/hotplug/usb/us122 |
| 14:03.41 | Lin | Vlat: I cannot put all of then more kernel in a floppy disk. =D |
| 14:03.47 | smo_ | and that s all, i don t know what to do after that |
| 14:04.01 | dusty- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.01 | Lin | Vlat: I will try to compile them static. Thank you for help |
| 14:04.07 | smo_ | i already had 2 files for my tascam, don t know why neither |
| 14:04.08 | Vlat | Lin: lspci is only 24kb, but it deal with pci only |
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| 14:04.50 | Lin | vlat lspci need of pci table files. |
| 14:05.24 | Vlat | Lin: you can deal with PCI UID-s :-) |
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| 14:05.59 | Lin | vlat: lspci should have a way to read UIDs and output then as device names =D |
| 14:06.31 | ndee | hello there, I wanna get WebDAV running on my Debian server. When I install libapache-mod-dav, mod_dav.c isn't installed, is that normal? |
| 14:07.18 | Vlat | Lin: don't you expect too lot from 80kb binary ? :)) |
| 14:07.32 | sep | ndee, maybee you need to a2enmod |
| 14:07.43 | Lin | vlat this isn t too much. =D |
| 14:07.52 | sep | ohh sorry you said libapache not libapache2 nevermind me |
| 14:08.02 | Lin | vlat I will made my way =D thank you |
| 14:08.11 | ndee | sep: a2enmod? what does that mean? |
| 14:08.12 | Vlat | you're welcome :) |
| 14:08.29 | B[u]ZzY | !kubuntu |
| 14:08.29 | dpkg | [kubuntu] ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu |
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| 14:09.34 | bizkit | ndee: a2enmod is to enable modules for apache2, you need to force-reload/restart apache2 after this |
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| 14:11.16 | ndee | I'm kinda confused, since I upgraded to the latest stable version of debian, whenever I install an apache module, the mod_XXX.c file is never around and I'm wondering why. |
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| 14:12.43 | valdyn | smo_: i just skimmed the documentation quickly, it seems to me that you have to do this via udev |
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| 14:12.56 | smo_ | yeah |
| 14:12.57 | bizkit | ndee: do an dpkg -L libapache-mod-<name> to see a filelisting of this package, remeber there is apache1.3* and apache2 now |
| 14:13.08 | smo_ | seems i need to do a udev rule.... |
| 14:13.26 | ndee | bizkit: hm, I'm still using apache 1.3, do I have to specially specify that? |
| 14:13.27 | valdyn | smo_: with RUN=whatever to the event directive |
| 14:13.46 | dvm1981 | He i have followed the steps indicated on the website http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors#With_the_Open_Source_Drivers to get my second monitor running. But there is no change, my second monitor is displaying nothings. Can someone help me please |
| 14:13.55 | smo_ | i my /etc/udev |
| 14:14.03 | smo_ | i have many .agent ... |
| 14:14.03 | ndee | bizkit: when I run this command for libapache-mod-dav, it doesn't show a mod_dav.c file |
| 14:14.05 | smo_ | =no . |
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| 14:14.11 | smo_ | no .usermap |
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| 14:15.53 | dvm1981 | Could someone help me to setup my video card (ATI Readeon 96) |
| 14:15.57 | dvm1981 | Could someone help me to setup my video card (ATI Readeon 9600) |
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| 14:16.43 | bizkit | ndee: no, libapache-mod-<name> is for apache 1.3 whereas libapache2-bla is for apache2.. are you sure you need the .c file? get the source package.. |
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| 14:17.45 | dvm1981 | I have download a bin file from the website, follow the steps there but when i run the fglxconfig after that the troubles and problems comme. Someon have a good XFree86Config file for my ? |
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| 14:18.47 | bizkit | dvm1981: perhaps you'll get more help in #ati |
| 14:18.50 | britt | has anybody used tunez yet? |
| 14:18.51 | dvm1981 | I do not understand all the rings and bells of this video card because it's to complex and i found that the instructions give by ATI are for THE specialists |
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| 14:19.21 | dvm1981 | bizkit : thx |
| 14:19.24 | bni | Im trying to setup a debian sarge chroot with debootstrap, it works, but when i chroot into the new install and run base-config, it prints "Terminated" and exits. |
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| 14:20.26 | kombi | where do you set the default volume for alsa? |
| 14:20.36 | bizkit | !tell bni about base-config |
| 14:20.41 | jm_ | set it with a mixer and run alsactl store |
| 14:20.41 | streuner_ | kombi: run aumix |
| 14:20.50 | bizkit | kombi: use amixer, alsamixer or whatever you want |
| 14:21.15 | jm_ | it should also save it at shutdown time if it doesn't detect saved config |
| 14:21.19 | kombi | streuner bizkit: those are mixers, I know, but how do you set the default volume? |
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| 14:21.32 | kombi | that the thing starts with.. |
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| 14:21.50 | streuner_ | kombi: aumix and hit 'SAVE' ;-) |
| 14:21.54 | pawdro | where can i find plugins for firefox for debian? |
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| 14:22.05 | Laibsch | Hi, my computer at reboot usually complains that some partitions have not been unmounted correctly and need to be fsck'ed. I even get this when I do "#reboot;exit" which seems strange to me. Any idea what I should check? I run unstable/testing pinned to testing. |
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| 14:22.25 | ryushe | HHi, just got the key message wiehen |
| 14:22.27 | ryushe | when updating |
| 14:22.33 | Vlat | pawdro: launch firefox, tools->extensions->get more extension |
| 14:22.35 | kombi | streuner: shell only box, no safe in alsamixer (which is ncurses), I'll try and dig up the conf file.. |
| 14:22.51 | ryushe | tried the fix as mentioned in the topic, got back: "gpg: 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F: not a valid key ID" |
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| 14:23.11 | bizkit | Laibsch: there's a default time between checks, after n mounts of the fs it will be checked, see man tune2fs |
| 14:23.32 | dusty- | How do I automount a hdd (/dev/hdb) on boot. I have fdisk'ed it, mkfs.ext3'ed it, now I need to set it to automount? |
| 14:23.41 | jm_ | dusty-: man fstab |
| 14:23.45 | Vlat | dusty-: edit your /etc/fstab |
| 14:23.46 | ryushe | any suggestions if the keyfix in topic does not work on testing? |
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| 14:23.58 | bizkit | ryushe: try another mirror |
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| 14:25.02 | B[u]ZzY | come visualizzo lo spazio libero su disco? |
| 14:25.08 | britt | ? |
| 14:25.26 | britt | does anybody know of a good PHP learning method. |
| 14:25.30 | bizkit | B[u]ZzY: where are you from? |
| 14:25.43 | B[u]ZzY | italy |
| 14:25.45 | B[u]ZzY | u? |
| 14:25.47 | ryushe | bizkit > I just did, stgill got same message |
| 14:25.52 | bizkit | !it |
| 14:25.52 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 14:26.31 | dusty- | jm_, Vlat thankyou. |
| 14:26.34 | wizzomafizzo | britt: http://www.w3schools.com/ and your own server with it. |
| 14:27.04 | metaperl | gnumeric and openoffice calc really chew up the RAM |
| 14:27.22 | bizkit | ryushe: everything went fine of dpkg's suggestions? |
| 14:27.30 | Vlat | never liked these buroecratic apps :-) |
| 14:27.43 | raf256 | bizkit: this is way to long to be valid PGP key ID, afair |
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| 14:28.18 | britt | wizzomafizzo: thx. |
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| 14:28.57 | bni | bizkit: so if I understand correctly, base-config should not be used anymore? is there something that replaces it? |
| 14:29.11 | ryushe | bizkit > not really, tried it with two mirrors , and get same results about key not being valid |
| 14:29.13 | Laibsch | bizkit: Thank you for your comment. That is not the problem. As I wrote, there is an error message at boot time every time that the partition has not been umounted correctly and therefore will be checked. |
| 14:29.44 | Vlat | Is there any good GTK ftp client ? (not gftp, it stuck at utf8) |
| 14:30.15 | wizzomafizzo | Is the testing mirror stable enough to use? And is it as new as to use xorg and such? |
| 14:30.19 | ndee | bizkit: http://www.linux.com/howtos/Apache-WebDAV-LDAP-HOWTO/config-webdav.shtml That's what I'm reading and they say I need to do a AddModule line in my httpd.conf |
| 14:31.36 | Lin | vlat (or anybody else) I have done a simple bash script to "copy" proc filesm is at: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1534. If there is some tomsrtbt guru here to help me to convert it to toms floppy environment, because I use some bash features that I don't know if are compliant with tomsrtbt environment. |
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| 14:32.32 | bizkit | ryushe: so you did this without problems? gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - && apt-get update |
| 14:32.37 | jm_ | Lin: that script can't work |
| 14:33.17 | Lin | jm_ In tomsrtbt? I know. |
| 14:33.27 | bizkit | Laibsch: did you run the e2fsck once after these messages? |
| 14:33.47 | Vlat | Lin: sorry, not familiar with tomsrtbt |
| 14:34.05 | jm_ | Lin: no in bash |
| 14:34.10 | ryushe | bizkit > no I did NOT do it without problems, the first of the 3 commands already returns "Not a valid key" |
| 14:34.12 | Lin | jm_ works here |
| 14:34.16 | jm_ | Lin: no it doesn't |
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| 14:34.25 | Lin | jm_ please explain! |
| 14:34.31 | Lin | jm_ is working here |
| 14:34.44 | pharm | ryushe: you need to update your Debian archive key first. The mirrors are fine. |
| 14:34.57 | Lin | ahhahaa |
| 14:35.00 | jm_ | Lin: no it's not - you check for presence of $ROOTDIR before you set it |
| 14:35.09 | pharm | ryushe: wget http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc ; apt-key add ziyi_key_2006.asc |
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| 14:35.20 | Lin | I have put it when pasting.. wrong operator! |
| 14:35.20 | pharm | ryushe: and hope no-one's poisoned your DNS :) |
| 14:35.33 | Lin | jm_ forget the test! |
| 14:35.41 | bni | Can someone point me to current docs that says how to setup and configure a Debian chroot with debootstrap? |
| 14:35.42 | pharm | ryushe: then do another apt-get update. |
| 14:35.44 | Coke | jm_: yeah, forget it. :) |
| 14:36.01 | ryushe | pharm > lots of invalid packet messages |
| 14:36.26 | tralala | bni: if you go to the debian amd64 port pages you will find there a quick guide for chroot with debootstrap. |
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| 14:36.43 | bni | tralala: tnx, will have a look |
| 14:36.47 | pharm | bni: man debootstrap? |
| 14:37.11 | pharm | ryushe: Update the key first. |
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| 14:37.39 | bni | pharm: the problem i have is after i have run debootsrap how to configure the newly installed system, base-config doesnt seem to work anymore |
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| 14:38.05 | Lin | jm_ do you have any tomsrtbt tips to help me? |
| 14:38.18 | Tuttle_ | I think the spamassassin package should be updated regularly, even in Sarge. Isn't this what the volatile repo was created for? But I use volatile, but no SA updates... |
| 14:38.23 | ryushe | pharm > still not working |
| 14:38.26 | tralala | bni: this chuld be easy - chroot to the new root and use dpkg, apt-get and so on |
| 14:38.32 | tralala | should |
| 14:38.37 | pharm | ryushe: Have you added the key? What's the output of apt-key list |
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| 14:39.04 | bni | tralala: yes but how do I setup the hostname locale and so on? edit the config files with vi? |
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| 14:39.08 | pharm | bni: as tralala says. That's all I ever did. Maybe base-config is a bit screwy if you're trying a sid chroot? |
| 14:39.11 | ryushe | "gpg: [don't know]: invalid packet (ctb=03)" |
| 14:39.14 | jm_ | Lin: it has "Customizing" section in the readme |
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| 14:39.29 | bizkit | ryushe: you have to be more specific to get good help. which command did you execute, whats the exact error message after what commands.. |
| 14:39.35 | ndee | that's what I love about linux :D wanna install webdav from source, configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH, then I make apt-get install gcc, configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables. Sweet :D |
| 14:39.52 | Vlat | ndee: apt-get install g++ |
| 14:39.57 | Lin | jm_ I know how customize, but I dont know if there is bash at tomsrtbt if I can use the bash substituition |
| 14:40.07 | pharm | ryushe: Hmm. Corrupted keyring? Trying moving /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg aside & do the apt-key add from scratch. |
| 14:40.10 | ndee | Vlat: thx |
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| 14:40.15 | Vlat | you're welcome :) |
| 14:40.34 | tralala | bni: Either manually or try dpkg --reconfigure the related package (base-config?) |
| 14:40.41 | Lin | jm_ this script will run on toms enviroment? If there is, good. I think that I can do everything else. |
| 14:40.46 | ryushe | I executed EXACTLY what the topic mentioned ... and that failed. changed mirrors, executed again, still failed. |
| 14:40.57 | ryushe | then tried what pharm mentioned, also failed |
| 14:41.06 | bni | tralala: good idea, dpkg --reconfigure |
| 14:41.47 | Vlat | Lin: if it won't work you can write C code any time |
| 14:42.01 | zamaliphe | hi all |
| 14:42.05 | Vlat | hi |
| 14:42.17 | zamaliphe | can any one help me |
| 14:42.20 | ryushe | pharm > just tried it, still no go (moving trusteddb.gpg and redoing the apt-key thing) |
| 14:42.27 | Lin | vlat I want to write something fast, not mess with fopen =D |
| 14:42.32 | bizkit | !tell zamaliphe about ask |
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| 14:42.48 | Vlat | Lin: understand you completely :-) |
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| 14:43.07 | bizkit | ryushe: which key are you missing? do an apt-get update and give us the key id |
| 14:43.16 | smo_ | still there valdyn? |
| 14:43.18 | zamaliphe | i need to copy my files frome the home dir |
| 14:43.24 | ndee | when I install apache 1.3 under debian, isn't it built as apxs? |
| 14:43.27 | pharm | ryushe: the mirrors are irrelevant: you have key-signing problems. |
| 14:43.28 | jm_ | Lin: no, it's using ash |
| 14:43.38 | bizkit | zamaliphe: target? |
| 14:43.41 | jm_ | Lin: so test it with ash and see |
| 14:43.43 | ryushe | bizkit : ": GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian.nl testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F" |
| 14:43.44 | smo_ | some mistakes with udevinfo i can t get the SYSFS{model}="" |
| 14:43.44 | kingsley_ | What's the best way to remotely open an X session over a DSL connection? Pipe X through a compressed ssh? |
| 14:43.53 | pharm | ryushe: We need *actual* errors if you are to get any real help. |
| 14:43.56 | zamaliphe | /mnt/hda13/zam |
| 14:44.03 | tralala | Is someone using the zd1211 modules with sarge 2.6.8? |
| 14:44.11 | ryushe | ^^^ is what I get at current after an apt-get update |
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| 14:44.29 | pharm | ryushe: that last is because apt doesn't have a valid key. apt-key add should do the trick, so if that's not working that's where you need to concentrate your efforts...# |
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| 14:44.34 | Vlat | zamaliphe: cp -R /mnt/hda13/zam/ /to/where/you/want/them |
| 14:44.40 | Vlat | zamaliphe: cp -R /mnt/hda13/zam/* /to/where/you/want/them |
| 14:44.44 | Vlat | gotta go, brb |
| 14:44.48 | bizkit | zamaliphe: just cp -a $HOME /mnt/hda13/zam |
| 14:44.49 | zamaliphe | but thir is a hedin files |
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| 14:45.19 | Laibsch | bizkit: not manually, but they are run automatically. I'll give it a shot next time. |
| 14:45.28 | tralala | zamaliphe: -a will take care |
| 14:45.41 | ideafix | what the most wonderfull linux distro in the hole universe ? |
| 14:45.44 | bizkit | !beer tralala |
| 14:45.49 | ideafix | what is the most wonderfull linux distro in the hole universe ? |
| 14:46.17 | bizkit | ideafix: the hole? :) |
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| 14:46.33 | zamaliphe | you meen it will copy all fils even .gftp .etc |
| 14:46.36 | bizkit | ideafix: good channel to ask such a question.. i guess it's debian, isn't it? |
| 14:46.39 | tralala | ideafix: holix |
| 14:46.40 | ideafix | isnt the universe full of holes ? |
| 14:46.50 | CosmoDad | since packages.debian.org is still down, how can I find out the version of package foo in unstable? adding unstable rep to sources.list and use apt-cache? |
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| 14:46.53 | ryushe | pharm , bizkit > here is the output of "wget http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc ; apt-key add ziyi_key_2006.asc" > http://pastebin.com/500824 |
| 14:46.59 | zamaliphe | or will leve them |
| 14:47.03 | zamaliphe | ???????????? |
| 14:47.19 | stew | CosmoDad: /msg dpkg info packagename |
| 14:47.28 | Vlat | ideafix: it is. i even heared about the guy who exploited them well :-) |
| 14:47.50 | ideafix | how might that be ? |
| 14:47.54 | ideafix | who |
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| 14:48.20 | bizkit | zamaliphe: yes, -a is like -dpR and it will recursively coopy everything within the source. see man cp |
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| 14:48.44 | CosmoDad | stew: is there any other non-IRC solution? |
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| 14:49.00 | zamaliphe | bizkit thanks alot |
| 14:49.03 | zamaliphe | bizkit thanks alot |
| 14:49.09 | pharm | ryushe: You've already got one file (which may be corrupt), but you've downloaded a new one (ziyi_key_2006.asc.1) and then apt-key added the old one (which doesn't work, as already established). Try again :) |
| 14:49.09 | P4C0 | hello I did a apt-get --purge remove package, but some files didn't get removed, so I rm them by hand, now when I apt-get install it dosen't installed those files... what can I do? |
| 14:49.24 | zamaliphe | by i will try it |
| 14:49.37 | ryushe | pharm, i noticed that, both don't work, not with a fresh one, |
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| 14:49.45 | pharm | ryushe: what does "gpg < ziyi_key_2006.asc" say? |
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| 14:50.16 | abrotman | !tell P4C0 about confmiss |
| 14:50.19 | stew | CosmoDad: what you said above will work, you might want "/msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix" so that you can add the source without having apt-get want to actually install from it by default |
| 14:50.28 | britt | hey guys, in your experience with MythTV, can a athlon 1800+ be made to work with this software? |
| 14:50.33 | abrotman | P4C0: what package was it? |
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| 14:50.46 | P4C0 | abrotman, apache2 |
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| 14:51.01 | ryushe | pharm > http://pastebin.com/500835 |
| 14:51.17 | ideafix | i friend of mine named jose told me irc is the part of a distributed OS named Echlon. |
| 14:51.27 | stew | britt: yes, i have used a 1600+, it won't do uncompressed hd streams but anything else is fine |
| 14:51.44 | pharm | ryushe: Well, that looks allright. |
| 14:51.55 | pharm | Umm. |
| 14:52.04 | tralala | !jose++++ |
| 14:52.05 | mikejn1 | I am needing a little help this am.. I am trying to fix windows.. I would not have it on my system if it were not for college. When I try to boot a 98 CD it won't bootand goes right to grub.. Do I need to disable grub somehow in order for it to boot? |
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| 14:52.41 | ndee | where are the mod_XXX.c files normally stored? |
| 14:52.56 | britt | stew: uncompressed? geeze. i was thinking some divx or mpeg2 compression would be fine... |
| 14:52.58 | tralala | mikejn1: no, you just need to tell your bios to boot first from the cdrom and then from the hard disks |
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| 14:53.04 | CosmoDad | stew: I just need to get that package version information, that's all... is dpkg able to tell me etch package versions as well? |
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| 14:53.14 | CosmoDad | stew: the way you told me to do it only gives sid data |
| 14:53.19 | abrotman | P4C0: and you removed the apache2.conf didn't you? |
| 14:53.20 | stew | britt: hd is mpeg2, i need to make it divx |
| 14:53.24 | ryushe | pharm > yeah, it sucks |
| 14:53.24 | Tuttle_ | I found volatile-sloppy archive and there is spamassassin 3.1.0a-0volatile2. Even after "apt-get update" this version is not offered to upgrade above my 3.0.3-2. Why is that? |
| 14:53.43 | jcc___ | does someone here have experience setting up ldap with samba for samba domains? |
| 14:53.44 | pharm | ryushe: I think you're going to have to edit the apt-key script to find out what's going on. Can you copy the apt-key script somewhere writable, edit the first line to "#!/bin/sh -x" and then run it as usual and pastebin the output? |
| 14:53.45 | stew | CosmoDad: /msg dpkg info packagename etch |
| 14:53.46 | mikejn1 | tralala, it is set up that way.. it pauses like it is going to boot from the CD then the grub pops up |
| 14:53.46 | P4C0 | abrotman, no that one was removed when I purge it... but not /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 14:53.58 | CosmoDad | stew: cool, thx |
| 14:54.01 | xrgtn | dhcp3-server doesn't choose correct zone (from DHCP FQDN option) -- why the hell? |
| 14:54.04 | tralala | mikejn1: this means that you cd is not bootable |
| 14:54.08 | tralala | your |
| 14:54.12 | britt | stew: so you dont anticipate a problem? I was planning on doing this soon...is it ultra-hard to set up? or is it just like everyother linux app? |
| 14:54.12 | abrotman | P4C0: which is part of apache2-common |
| 14:54.22 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure anyways |
| 14:54.24 | stew | CosmoDad: if you have both in your sources.list, "apt-cache show packagename" and "apt-cache policy packagname" should list all available versions |
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| 14:54.35 | bizkit | ryushe: as root try mv ~/.gnupg ~/.gnupg~bak and then do it again, copy over your .gnupg back again |
| 14:54.36 | ryushe | pharm > one sec please |
| 14:54.59 | mikejn1 | tralala, it is a win98 SE original.. |
| 14:55.03 | P4C0 | abrotman, :) |
| 14:55.14 | CosmoDad | stew: good to know |
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| 14:55.47 | stew | britt: we spend a good bit of time on ours, but we have a complex setup, if you are going to do it with everything on one machine and only one capture card it shouldn't be hard |
| 14:56.00 | CosmoDad | stew: you know when packages.debian.org will be up again by chance? |
| 14:56.05 | pharm | ryushe: NB did you try moving aside all of the keyrings in /etc/apt/ ? (*.gpg basically) |
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| 14:56.39 | stew | CosmoDad: i haven't seen an eta |
| 14:57.28 | britt | stew: cool. thanks. do you have any recommendations on tuner cards? |
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| 14:58.15 | red | hello what apt sources should i be using for debian testing/unstable 3.1 |
| 14:58.34 | ndee | am I really that stupid or is it kinda difficult to install WebDAV for apache 1.3? |
| 14:58.37 | ryushe | pharm > one sec please, got a small in situ meeting here atm, back in 5 min |
| 14:58.45 | bbrazil | Tuttle_: looks like the Releases fils hasn't been updated |
| 14:58.50 | ideafix | whats is mono and why is it replacing wine ? |
| 14:58.58 | stew | britt: ask #mythtv-users ; so far all mine have been difficult from time to time |
| 14:59.08 | sep | ideafix, dont belive everything you read on slashdot |
| 14:59.09 | britt | hx |
| 14:59.11 | britt | thx |
| 14:59.45 | red | i have both etch and testing repositories and its really not working right... packages are missing |
| 15:00.03 | stew | red: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 15:00.10 | CosmoDad | stew: is this due to maintenance or something? |
| 15:00.14 | red | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.19 | stew | CosmoDad: the server is overloaded |
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| 15:00.53 | stew | red: however there are actually package which are currently unavailable in testing, notably kde packages due to the 3.4 (and soon 3.5) transitions |
| 15:00.59 | stew | red: lemme guess, k3b? |
| 15:01.21 | abrotman | no .. wait.. kdevelop3! |
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| 15:01.24 | red | stew no im trying to get msttcorefonts |
| 15:01.29 | grendal_prime | stew man...you use spamassassin? |
| 15:01.36 | red | MINES fonts am ugly |
| 15:01.41 | grendal_prime | ive got it up and running. |
| 15:01.44 | stew | red: its probably in contrib /msg dpkg contrib |
| 15:02.01 | red | stew when you type that , what do i do with it... |
| 15:02.08 | stew | grendal_prime: yes, some, however spamassassin is rather bored these days after intslling postgrey |
| 15:02.16 | bizkit | !tell red about contrib |
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| 15:02.27 | ideafix | whats is mono and why is it replacing wine ? |
| 15:02.35 | abrotman | ideafix: it's not .. stop trolling |
| 15:02.36 | bizkit | well i prefer stereo |
| 15:02.39 | bizkit | :] |
| 15:02.58 | Eulex | !tell ideafix about mono |
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| 15:03.03 | Coke | ideafix: what makes you think it is replacing wine? |
| 15:03.11 | nixxie | is there an open source application like Visio that someone knows of? |
| 15:03.19 | abrotman | Coke: brain damage? :) |
| 15:03.26 | Coke | nixxie: I have found Umbrello useful at times. |
| 15:03.30 | nixxie | openoffice.org has a visio app but its in development |
| 15:03.31 | stew | nixxie: dia? |
| 15:03.33 | Coke | nixxie: if you want a more crude method, try dia |
| 15:03.36 | terr | I'm having a brain fart at the moment. I am trying to remember the term for a bug that doesn't always happen and is not repeatable |
| 15:03.45 | faust | nixxie: xfig |
| 15:03.46 | ideafix | mononucleosis ? |
| 15:03.50 | sep | nixxie, kvisio |
| 15:03.51 | Coke | terr: random? |
| 15:03.53 | Tuttle_ | bbrazil: Do you mean this file? http://volatile.debian.net/debian-volatile/dists/sarge/volatile-sloppy/main/binary-i386/Release |
| 15:03.55 | stew | terr: intermittent? |
| 15:04.04 | terr | Coke: intermittant! |
| 15:04.09 | terr | thans |
| 15:04.12 | ideafix | isnt mononucleosis a virus ? |
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| 15:04.25 | bizkit | !punish ideafix |
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| 15:04.52 | Vlat | :-) |
| 15:05.03 | bbrazil | Tuttle_: Packages file, I was looking at amd64 non-sloppy |
| 15:05.04 | Coke | terr: you'll still have to add "unreproducable" to the term |
| 15:05.05 | ideafix | !stab bizkit |
| 15:05.12 | red | bizkit: thanks,, im really looking for a list of working FQDN's (apt repositories) so i can verify that i am using the correct ones |
| 15:05.21 | Coke | terr: also, intermittent sort of suggests that it is of periodic nature |
| 15:05.28 | raf256 | !stab me |
| 15:05.37 | abrotman | red: debian.org/mirrors |
| 15:05.42 | Stereo | bizkit: thanks, I prefer you too :) |
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| 15:05.51 | bizkit | wtf |
| 15:05.53 | stew | red: or show us your sources.list ; or apt-setup |
| 15:05.59 | bizkit | Stereo: hehe :-) |
| 15:05.59 | Stereo | bizkit: scroll up |
| 15:06.02 | Coke | terr: apt-get install dict; dict intermittent |
| 15:06.14 | ideafix | this channel is full of spamers |
| 15:06.34 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 15:06.36 | tralala | ideafix: and holes |
| 15:06.39 | Tuttle_ | bbrazil: but Packages.* seem to be up to date... I'm able to select the volatile version of spamassassin via aptitude (zoomed to the package, at the bottom there is list of versions), 3.1.0a is more recent, but not offered to upgrade |
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| 15:06.58 | ideafix | tralala: you are one |
| 15:07.04 | bbrazil | Tuttle_: you doing pinning? |
| 15:07.18 | abrotman | ideafix: do you have any questions relating to debian? |
| 15:07.29 | ideafix | do you ? |
| 15:07.44 | abrotman | no .. i'm here to help .. you're obviously not able to |
| 15:07.55 | ideafix | help your self |
| 15:08.02 | bizkit | :/ |
| 15:08.08 | abrotman | no wonder he keeps getting banned |
| 15:08.21 | stew | ideafix: can you just do us the favor of moving along and save us the trouble of getting an op to first warn you then +q you? |
| 15:08.44 | red | stew: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main, deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main, deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch non-free contrib,deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main, deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing non-free contrib, deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main, deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main, deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main, deb |
| 15:08.44 | red | http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main, deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
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| 15:09.11 | Eulex | !paster |
| 15:09.12 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 15:09.17 | Tuttle_ | bbrazil: pinning is fixing the pkg version, "hold"? not for this pkg |
| 15:09.25 | red | stew: Linux caca 2.6.12-1-386 #1 Tue Sep 27 12:41:08 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:09.33 | stew | red: please don't paste in here. those repositories are good. where it says "main" make it say "main contrib", the apt-get update |
| 15:09.34 | ideafix | is mono evil ? |
| 15:09.41 | abrotman | ideafix: ask #mono |
| 15:09.43 | ryushe | back |
| 15:09.47 | ryushe | and backreading |
| 15:09.54 | red | stew , sorry about cut andd paste... and thanks ill try that |
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| 15:09.58 | ideafix | im asking you |
| 15:09.59 | bizkit | abrotman: he likes us :p |
| 15:10.15 | abrotman | ideafix: either ask a question remotely related to debian, or please leave the channel |
| 15:10.19 | stew | ideafix: please stop with the off topic questions |
| 15:10.32 | ideafix | isnt mono in debian ? |
| 15:10.40 | stew | ideafix: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:10.42 | abrotman | is it? .. check you debian installation |
| 15:10.45 | abrotman | your |
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| 15:10.58 | stew | abrotman: just say "ur" its easier :P |
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| 15:11.16 | bizkit | Stereo: isn't ur for you are? :) |
| 15:11.17 | abrotman | stew: i could .. but then i'd be like some cracked up whore from portugal |
| 15:11.36 | bizkit | sorry Stereo this was meant be stew |
| 15:11.40 | ideafix | you are far worst then that |
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| 15:12.00 | stew | bizkit: i dunno |
| 15:12.17 | grendal_prime | stew i use that db server every day by the way |
| 15:12.33 | grendal_prime | anything in particular you banging your head round about? |
| 15:12.48 | stew | huh? |
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| 15:12.51 | bizkit | ideafix: you like asterix and obelix? |
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| 15:12.57 | grendal_prime | if you do web db stuff...postgresql is the shit |
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| 15:13.07 | abrotman | and mysql is shit |
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| 15:13.15 | stew | i wish, all of our clients want mysql becuase they have heard of it |
| 15:13.17 | ideafix | grendal_prime: are you reading other ppls emails ? |
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| 15:13.22 | ideafix | is that legal ? |
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| 15:13.44 | stew | !ops ideafix is an annoying troll |
| 15:13.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ideafix is an annoying troll |
| 15:13.52 | grendal_prime | i have some tools that make page construction in php for postgresql a real snap |
| 15:13.55 | grendal_prime | ideafix, ?? |
| 15:14.04 | foresight | Which of the Debian ISO cds should I download? theres a shitload of binary-x choices ? |
| 15:14.05 | ideafix | yes you |
| 15:14.06 | abrotman | grendal_prime: ignore ideafix .. he's been trolling a bit |
| 15:14.12 | abrotman | !d-i foresight |
| 15:14.13 | dpkg | foresight, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:14.16 | streuner_ | stew: he is a know troll, harmless... |
| 15:14.17 | caphuso | ideafix: stop |
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| 15:14.35 | tralala | ideafix: let's do a bot test: try to say something that shows at least a tiny little bit of intelligence or we will consider you a troll bot |
| 15:14.42 | abrotman | if he's known .. why does he keep getting unbanned? |
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| 15:14.52 | bbrazil | Tuttle_: if you've got SA on hold that would explain the problem ;) |
| 15:14.54 | streuner_ | abrotman: nobody cares much |
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| 15:15.10 | britt | thanks stew |
| 15:15.10 | streuner_ | abrotman: he just managed it to avoid a ban |
| 15:15.11 | britt | bye |
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| 15:15.44 | abrotman | streuner_: which is cause for another ban iirc |
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| 15:16.15 | ideafix | abrotman: do you have any debian related topic to chat about ? |
| 15:16.22 | foresight | abrotman, the question was really if I have to download 14 CDs do install debian ? |
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| 15:16.34 | sep | foresight, you only need the first cd |
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| 15:16.35 | stew | caphuso: thanks |
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| 15:16.50 | foresight | sep, k, thanks..whats all the other ones for then ? |
| 15:16.55 | sep | foresight, with netinstall you dont even need the first |
| 15:17.04 | sep | foresight, additional software you _might_ want |
| 15:17.06 | Eulex | forcemaster, does the computer you're going to install have a fast internet connection? |
| 15:17.07 | abrotman | caphuso: thank you |
| 15:17.13 | abrotman | foresight: do you have broadband ? |
| 15:17.13 | raf256 | what did ideafix do" |
| 15:17.14 | sep | but most just dl it as needed with apt |
| 15:17.35 | abrotman | foresight: if you have broadband .. just get the 110MB netinst |
| 15:17.49 | tralala | raf256: the real question is what he didn't do |
| 15:17.55 | sep | foresight, debian have more software then anyone would bother to try out in a lifetime |
| 15:17.57 | foresight | abrotman, k, I'll do that |
| 15:18.05 | virgomoon | what's a good way to deterine the filesystem type to use with 'mount' for a DVD? |
| 15:18.09 | stew | raf256: use /lastlog |
| 15:18.28 | virgomoon | it's a data DVD I made last night |
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| 15:18.38 | ceeto | Hi all. I have successfully setup samba to where I can see my Active Directory users with "getent passwd", etc. I'm having a hard time figuring out how to assign permissions based on AD users to certain folders (i.e., get my Debian Sarge Server to check AD for users instead of it's local passwd) and need some help. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! |
| 15:18.41 | virgomoon | I though iso9660 should work, but it doesn't |
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| 15:18.55 | tchmnkyz | hey all |
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| 15:19.16 | caphuso | virgomoon: try udf |
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| 15:19.35 | tralala | raf256: actually "he" is most likely inappropriate - the word is "it" |
| 15:19.41 | tchmnkyz | i got a problem with the stable mysql (4.1) link: http://pastebin.com/500873 |
| 15:19.56 | tchmnkyz | i get that when powerdns is attempting to connect to the mysql database |
| 15:19.59 | virgomoon | hmm |
| 15:20.33 | ndee | does anyone have WebDAV enabled in his apache 1.3? I would like to compare the configuration because the tests don't work with litmus. |
| 15:20.35 | virgomoon | nope .. wrong fs type |
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| 15:21.11 | ndee | first, I just wanna check if webdav is functional at all and I don't know how to test that |
| 15:21.12 | debianowicz | hallo |
| 15:21.21 | sep | tchmnkyz, try using the hostname or real ip of the server instead of localhost |
| 15:21.33 | tchmnkyz | ok |
| 15:22.05 | tchmnkyz | sep i have pdns connecting to the socket file |
| 15:22.08 | tchmnkyz | not the port |
| 15:22.12 | tchmnkyz | or host |
| 15:22.17 | sep | tchmnkyz, dont know if it's related but i had to do that when setting up pdns long time ago, i coudnt get socket to work |
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| 15:22.25 | tchmnkyz | ok |
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| 15:23.21 | junix|work | can somoene look at this for me....http://pastebin.com/500880 |
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| 15:24.17 | jeppe | I try to hack my own box with "john the ripper" as I forgot the root password. Can I somehow start it without providing a shadow file? That is: Can't I just make start it to hack root? |
| 15:24.30 | abrotman | !tell jeppe about ifrp |
| 15:24.32 | debianowicz | hi. i'm a newbe. could anybody explain me the way of installing php, mysql??? |
| 15:24.53 | red | hello debs.... i am getting NO_PUBkey when attempting to run apt-get update it say " the following signatures could not be verified" |
| 15:24.54 | abrotman | junix|work: why are you building that kernel? |
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| 15:25.03 | abrotman | debianowicz: apt-get install php4 libmysql-php4 mysql |
| 15:25.12 | jeppe | abrotman: What? |
| 15:25.12 | abrotman | red: read the topic |
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| 15:25.28 | red | abrotman: ok DUH thanks :) |
| 15:26.13 | debianowicz | ...me the way of installing php, mysql on a apache2??? |
| 15:26.27 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:26.32 | debianowicz | sry |
| 15:26.40 | sep | debianowicz, install libapache2-mod-php4 iirc |
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| 15:26.53 | abrotman | debianowicz: apt-get install libapache2-php4 mysql php4-mysql .. should take care of it |
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| 15:27.06 | abrotman | err .. damn .. |
| 15:27.16 | abrotman | it is libapache2-mod-php4 .. i'm not doing so well today |
| 15:27.46 | red | abrotman: thanks ... you guys rock as usual... i appreciate this channel |
| 15:27.52 | Eulex | junix|work, looks like you're even compiling an ancient 2.6.7 kernel... why? |
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| 15:28.30 | debianowicz | i have install this, but it do not work (sry for my english, i'm german) |
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| 15:28.43 | junix|work | abrotman: its the only kernel that i can use on my computer with vmware and have it not lock up |
| 15:28.43 | abrotman | debianowicz: would you prefer help in german? |
| 15:28.56 | debianowicz | sure |
| 15:28.59 | abrotman | !d |
| 15:28.59 | Eulex | !de |
| 15:28.59 | dpkg | [d] uninterruptible sleep (usually IO), or a letter of the alphabet, or not a substitute for "the". |
| 15:28.59 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 15:29.00 | abrotman | !de |
| 15:29.08 | debianowicz | thx |
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| 15:29.15 | sep | !thx |
| 15:29.16 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas, named after THX1138, Lucas' first movie. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. |
| 15:29.23 | abrotman | junix|work: you're ocmpiling 2.6.7 .. what compiler ? |
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| 15:30.18 | junix|work | abrotman: gcc-4.0 |
| 15:30.37 | junix|work | abrotman: i'm actually using make-kpkg |
| 15:30.52 | smo_ | anyone know rules with udev??? i made a new rule in /etc/udev/rules.d saved it and restarted udev but nothing work... |
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| 15:31.18 | Tuttle_ | bbrazil: I didn't put SA on hold. |
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| 15:33.00 | junix|work | abrotman: .... |
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| 15:33.18 | ceeto | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:33.45 | abrotman | junix|work: 2.6.7 may not be gcc4 clean |
| 15:33.54 | junix|work | so try it with 3.3.6? |
| 15:34.02 | _mark41 | I have a silly question: When i upgraded kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 -- the computer become incredibly slow (boot takes about 30 minutes, and after booted it is still slow). It seems that ultimitaly this is mostly a processor issue. I've run a simple python script (factorial computation) and it run 4 times slow on 2.6 than on 2.4... Any thoughts? |
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| 15:34.13 | sep | ceeto, use pam's sufficient ,and use pam_unix.so 's use_first_pass |
| 15:34.13 | abrotman | junix|work: or try a newer kernel i guess |
| 15:34.14 | stew | Tuttle_: do you use rulesdujour? |
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| 15:34.23 | bgat | anyone know what the "debian way" is for iptables-restore? Should I just call it from a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d for the associated NIC? |
| 15:34.24 | sep | ceeto, and im far from an expert |
| 15:34.25 | bbrazil | ceeto: alter nsswitch.conf, and put pam_unix back in |
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| 15:34.35 | junix|work | abrotman: i need 2.6.7 tho, its the only one that is stable with vmware and linux at the same time |
| 15:34.36 | Tuttle_ | stew: I do not know what it is, therefore probably no. :) |
| 15:34.46 | sep | bgat, there are a few sugestions in /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 15:34.56 | abrotman | junix|work: i find that very hard to believe .. did you ask #vmware for a recommended kernel ? |
| 15:34.57 | bgat | sep: I'll check there. Thanks! |
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| 15:35.33 | faber2 | my filesystem shows a user "DOM1" and id "DOM1" returns "no such user". any ideas what is going on? |
| 15:35.34 | sep | junix|work, stable in what way ? i went back to 2.4 since 2.6.8 gave me pains |
| 15:35.40 | Silent_al | how much cylinders do i need to set for a 10GB HD im trying to partitioning ? ( fdisk says 19386 , and i should set it to 1024) |
| 15:35.46 | stew | Tuttle_: google it, it automatically downloads update rulesets for spamassassin |
| 15:36.03 | junix|work | abrotman: no, but my computer locks up on every other kernel and/or becomes very unusable...slow |
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| 15:36.37 | Eulex | junix|work, that's a problem that should be fixed in vmware, not by you compiling ancient custom kernels. |
| 15:37.03 | jair | guys it is a channel to talk about #vsftpd??? |
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| 15:37.11 | junix|work | Eulex: hmmm....ok |
| 15:37.26 | Tuttle_ | stew: ok, but I'm trying to learn why aptitude does not offer me to upgrade spamassassin&spamc from volatile even when it know about recent versions and let me upgrade them by hand from UI. |
| 15:37.34 | fireba11 | jair: what for ? doesn't have heaps of options anyway .-) |
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| 15:37.56 | valdyn | Silent_al: why do you think you should need to change this? |
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| 15:38.30 | Silent_al | valdyn, fdisk advised me too .. :\ |
| 15:38.37 | jair | fireba11, the thing is that I want to be able of create users and this users access with full privileges but not be able of see or change their directories to another's . |
| 15:38.38 | Silent_al | to* |
| 15:38.38 | valdyn | Silent_al: it doesnt |
| 15:38.40 | tchmnkyz | hey sep, http://pastebin.com/500887 same thing i dont know if it is something with mysql or pdns |
| 15:38.48 | valdyn | Silent_al: it sais: There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024 |
| 15:38.50 | faber2 | how can an "ls -lad" show a user which does not exist? |
| 15:40.59 | Silent_al | valdyn, yes , correct :) |
| 15:40.59 | valdyn | Silent_al: so leave it as it is |
| 15:40.59 | valdyn | Silent_al: i doubt you have a reason so use an ancient lilo version |
| 15:41.04 | stew | Tuttle_: do you have just "volatile" or also "volatile-sloppy" in your sources? |
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| 15:41.10 | zamaliphe | hi agine |
| 15:41.11 | Silent_al | valdyn, i use grub :) |
| 15:41.12 | valdyn | Silent_al: and you are probably not running OS/2 or MSDOS either |
| 15:41.12 | Tuttle_ | stew:both of them |
| 15:41.13 | Silent_al | you right again :) |
| 15:41.13 | jair | fireba11, I am running the server but none users can write on it currently. but If I enable the write option then everybody can see and delete each other files. |
| 15:41.19 | stew | Tuttle_: and so you are saying that "aptitude upgrade" doesn't want to upgrade it? does "apttitude dist-upgrade"? |
| 15:41.20 | kspath | abrotman: ewe used TCP Offload Engine? |
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| 15:41.36 | fireba11 | jair that might already be too complex for vsftp :-) |
| 15:41.38 | zamaliphe | how to creat dibian bakeg ?????????? |
| 15:41.50 | valdyn | !confuse zamaliphe |
| 15:41.50 | dpkg | Yes, where was your ferret today, zamaliphe? wellies of the republic of swaziland with extra cream |
| 15:41.54 | zamaliphe | for mplayer |
| 15:41.57 | sciboy | Hi guys, i'm having trouble compiling the LinuxWacom drivers, for some reason, it can't find the include hid.h |
| 15:42.03 | valdyn | zamaliphe: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 15:42.11 | sciboy | Even though the file sits quite obviously in /usr/include/ |
| 15:42.25 | jair | fireba11, what could be the best solution in Linux to allow couple of users share upload and download files and documents from a "sharepoint" ?? secure and using tcp/ip :) |
| 15:42.34 | valdyn | sciboy: it does not want the one in /usr/include, and it should not use the one in /usr/include/ |
| 15:42.38 | abrotman | kspath: nope |
| 15:42.58 | valdyn | sciboy: 1) are you using a debian kernel 2) are you using the debian source package for that driver? |
| 15:43.00 | Silent_al | valdyn, do i need to format the drive after partitioning it to a W95 FAT32 fs type? |
| 15:43.10 | valdyn | Silent_al: yep |
| 15:43.21 | sciboy | valdyn, Of course not, the wacom source package never does the job. |
| 15:43.24 | Silent_al | regular 'format' command? |
| 15:43.34 | valdyn | sciboy: why doesnt it? |
| 15:43.35 | fireba11 | jair sicne FTP isn't secure at all .. sftp ? |
| 15:43.45 | jair | hmm |
| 15:44.04 | bbrazil | ftps? |
| 15:44.13 | beefcake | jair use glftpd |
| 15:44.19 | Tuttle_ | stew: aptitude loads all package lists on update, but does not offer sa/spamc upgrading. When I zoom to them, I can select newer version manually at the bottom. Then they are upgraded. I don |
| 15:44.19 | beefcake | with ssl |
| 15:44.19 | sciboy | valdyn, Cause it only compiles the wacom module, when there are other things required, and 2.6 already includes the wacom module in the kernel, i bet its more useful to 2.4 users. |
| 15:44.22 | beefcake | www.glftpd.com |
| 15:44.31 | jair | fireba11, hmm sftp it is a server?? or a program to use it? ohhhh you mean like "winscp" for windows to connect. |
| 15:44.32 | Tuttle_ | stew: don't dare to do dist-upgrade. |
| 15:44.35 | csch | stew: I finish to rebuild the courier-imap packages with vchkpw support |
| 15:44.38 | sep | tchmnkyz, try increasing connect_timeout or max_allowed_packet ? |
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| 15:44.41 | teleyinex | hi |
| 15:44.41 | valdyn | sciboy: you mean the wacom-tools? |
| 15:44.45 | Roey | oh |
| 15:44.47 | Roey | wacom tools |
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| 15:44.50 | teleyinex | hi |
| 15:44.51 | Roey | finally someone else uses wacom |
| 15:44.52 | sciboy | valdyn, No, wacom-kernel-source |
| 15:44.56 | jair | beefcake, thank you I will check about it |
| 15:45.01 | jair | good |
| 15:45.01 | sciboy | valdyn, wacom-tools works fine. |
| 15:45.07 | csch | stew: the rebuild generate more than 1 package |
| 15:45.07 | Roey | teleyinex, sciboy, valdyn: do any of you know how to enable that button strip? |
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| 15:45.21 | csch | stew: I must install all of them, right ? |
| 15:45.33 | Roey | teleyinex, sciboy, valdyn: also, what size tablet do you recommend? I have a 9x12 Intuos1 that I think is too big |
| 15:45.35 | valdyn | sciboy: what else beside the kernel modules do you need? |
| 15:45.48 | teleyinex | Im wondering which is the best manner to do partitions /boot / /usr and /var, but how much space each of them |
| 15:45.54 | teleyinex | Roey dunno |
| 15:45.57 | fireba11 | !sftp |
| 15:45.58 | dpkg | from memory, sftp is a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". |
| 15:46.03 | zamaliphe | no i have pache the mplayer and i want to create dibian bakeg for it |
| 15:46.05 | sciboy | valdyn, Some patched up versions of other kernel modules, although i'm not sure which exactly are required for 2.6.15 |
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| 15:46.09 | Roey | valdyn: you need to patch mousedev to make sure that a certain driver doesn't grab the Wacom controller before the Wacom driver does. |
| 15:46.18 | Roey | sciboy: do you know of the wacom howto? |
| 15:46.25 | Roey | sciboy: it spells it all right there. |
| 15:46.26 | sciboy | Roey, Of course. |
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| 15:46.42 | valdyn | Roey: that's alright, that does not explain why he needs an external driver though |
| 15:46.44 | sciboy | Roey, Yeah, but the required modules difers between kernel versions. |
| 15:46.49 | Roey | btw, it's a bitch and I don't know why this hasn't been fixed in the mainline kernel |
| 15:47.06 | Roey | valdyn: because the external driver is more often updated? |
| 15:47.08 | _fred | Hi! I have a question regarding testing. I read packages would go back and forth regularly (every week) somewhere, but since i use it I didn't notice anything new. Is there a special procedure to update/upgrade testing? |
| 15:47.20 | zamaliphe | i all redy have the mplaer how to make dibian bakeg???? |
| 15:47.22 | valdyn | Roey: he could have said that |
| 15:47.31 | FarrisG | are there any F/OSS alternatives to Ghost that I could actually recommend to a Winders user without expecting to do free tech support for them later? |
| 15:47.32 | sciboy | Roey, Neither, it's a one-line patch to most of them that says, if its a wacom, ignore it so the wacom driver can pick it up. |
| 15:47.35 | Roey | sciboy, valdyn, teleyinex: Let's make a #wacom |
| 15:47.44 | sciboy | Okey dokey. |
| 15:47.45 | valdyn | sciboy: you need the headers to your kernel ( at least ), or possibly the configured source |
| 15:47.50 | valdyn | sciboy: not /usr/include/ stuff |
| 15:47.51 | Silent_al | valdyn, last question please :) nice formating tool? |
| 15:48.01 | sciboy | valdyn, headers are already installed. |
| 15:48.07 | valdyn | Silent_al: mkfs.vfat /dev/whatever |
| 15:48.19 | valdyn | sciboy: its looking for those. |
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| 15:48.28 | Silent_al | valdyn, god bless you [-o< |
| 15:48.28 | valdyn | sciboy: but it could be looking at the wrong place. |
| 15:48.35 | Roey | sciboy: I know abotu that one-line patch. I just wopuld like to see it in the mainline kernel already |
| 15:48.48 | Eulex | _fred, you need to upgrade manually. it doesn't upgrade automatically by default, but it's possible to setup so it upgrades automatically, even though it wouldn't be recommended on testing... |
| 15:49.06 | sciboy | Roey, Same. |
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| 15:49.23 | csch | stew: after configure the new courier package I get this |
| 15:49.24 | csch | Jan 11 13:42:20 kimerofonte imaplogin: authdaemon: starting client module |
| 15:49.24 | csch | Jan 11 13:42:20 kimerofonte imaplogin: authdaemon: TEMPFAIL - no more modules will be tried |
| 15:49.32 | Roey | ANYONE USING WACOM, please come to #wacom. There, simple ;) |
| 15:49.37 | _fred | Eulex: so apt-get dist-upgrade won't do the trick? |
| 15:49.42 | zamaliphe | how to creat dibian backeg gayes plees help?????????? |
| 15:49.57 | Eulex | _fred, yes it does |
| 15:49.58 | valdyn | sciboy: it should find drivers/usb/input/hid.h in your kernel headers / source tree |
| 15:50.13 | Ronin | zamaliphe: what are you trying to ask? perhaps you should go to the debian channel in your native language? |
| 15:50.18 | sciboy | valdyn, Well it seems it isn't. |
| 15:50.22 | _fred | Eulex: so if mine does nothing it means there is no update? |
| 15:50.32 | pharm | Ronin: zamaliphe: dyslexic? |
| 15:50.45 | valdyn | sciboy: is that file even in your kernel-headers? |
| 15:50.50 | csch | stew: can you help ? |
| 15:50.50 | Eulex | zamaliphe, "backeg"? "gayes"? seems like you need to go to the channel of your native language |
| 15:50.51 | Ronin | pharm: heh maybe, they certainly type like i do after several beers |
| 15:50.57 | teleyinex | another thing |
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| 15:51.06 | zamaliphe | my langueg is arabic |
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| 15:51.26 | Eulex | _fred, you do need to run apt-get update too, to retrieve available upgrades, before running apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:51.28 | zamaliphe | is ther is an arabic chanel? |
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| 15:51.50 | teleyinex | what its better: raid1 for the whole disk, and lvm for partitions or raid1 for / and the rest raid1+lvm? |
| 15:51.57 | _fred | Eulex: yes I did that as well... |
| 15:52.13 | kombi | how do fix the mbr with grub? |
| 15:52.15 | _fred | Eulex: So how often is there any update? Is it published somewhere? |
| 15:52.35 | Eulex | _fred, there should be an update at least every few days. |
| 15:52.40 | sciboy | valdyn, It appears so. |
| 15:52.47 | sciboy | valdyn, apt-file says it is. |
| 15:52.51 | kombi | how do you fix the master boot record with grub? |
| 15:52.51 | kspath | why not use passive backplanes and plug in your processors memory diskcontrollers other seems so obvious sure there would be work making changes but long term you could use several different technologies sometimes on the same backplane at the same time if they didnt step on each other |
| 15:52.59 | zamaliphe | kombi thats simpl |
| 15:53.06 | valdyn | sciboy: apt-file does not even search your own system |
| 15:53.11 | Ronin | zamaliphe: three is a #debian-ar |
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| 15:53.23 | valdyn | !find usb/input/hid.h |
| 15:53.27 | Ronin | i am guessing ar stands for arabic |
| 15:53.28 | kombi | zamaliph: go ahead then.. |
| 15:53.36 | _fred | Eulex: ok thanks. So when I install a package that has broken links and it tell me to report it as a bug, where do I do that? |
| 15:53.41 | zamaliphe | kombi grub |
| 15:53.44 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usb/input/hid.h' returned no results. |
| 15:53.55 | Eulex | !bts |
| 15:53.56 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 15:54.03 | Eulex | anyway, gotta go... |
| 15:54.06 | kombi | zamaliphe: ? |
| 15:54.08 | Ronin | nope ar is argentina |
| 15:54.09 | valdyn | !find hid.h |
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| 15:54.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'hid.h' (4 of 15): (/usr/include/hid.h) in libdevel/libhid-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/garlic-doc/commands/hid.html) in doc/garlic-doc ;; (/usr/share/SuperCollider/Help/Streams/Phid.help.rtf) in sound/supercollider-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/postgresql-doc-8.1/html/catalog-pg-authid.html) in doc/postgresql-doc-8.1. |
| 15:54.32 | _fred | Eulex: excellent. Thanks a lot |
| 15:54.33 | zamaliphe | kombi grub |
| 15:54.38 | kombi | zamaliphe: grub was part of my question.. |
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| 15:55.05 | zamaliphe | type in the comand lin grup |
| 15:55.17 | intx | how do I properly compile a lib as a debian package? |
| 15:55.19 | zamaliphe | wen u ar root |
| 15:55.37 | zamaliphe | kombi ? |
| 15:55.49 | kombi | zamaliphe: thing is, box won't boot.. |
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| 15:56.02 | azeem | intx: do you want to build Debian packages for a library? |
| 15:56.13 | azeem | intx: does a Debian package already exist for that library? |
| 15:56.18 | valdyn | sciboy: looks to me like this file changed place in 2.6.15, which aswell might be confusing your build |
| 15:56.22 | Eulex | _fred, though you may want to check the output of apt-cache policy libc6 and compare to packages.debian.org/libc6. especially check the installed and candidate entries in the output of apt-cache policy libc6. |
| 15:56.35 | Eulex | !tell kombi about fixmbr |
| 15:56.41 | Eulex | anyway, now I really gotta go... |
| 15:56.54 | zamaliphe | kombi ok u have to boot from some thing live cd etc |
| 15:57.04 | sciboy | valdyn, Hmmm... Proposed fix" |
| 15:57.07 | sciboy | \?* |
| 15:57.22 | zamaliphe | kombi do u have live cd |
| 15:57.24 | valdyn | sciboy: use the kernel your source is meant for |
| 15:57.29 | intx | azeem: I don't know.. not in the default resp anyway.. i'm looking for libnfnetlink |
| 15:57.34 | azeem | zamaliphe: it's 'you' not 'u' |
| 15:57.55 | zamaliphe | ok |
| 15:57.56 | azeem | intx: do you need it locally, or do you want to have it on ftp.debian.org eventually? |
| 15:57.58 | kombi | zamaliphe: should have a knoppix somewhere, I'll try that. thanks! |
| 15:58.12 | intx | azeem: I need it locally |
| 15:58.23 | smo_ | damn i m going crazy with this udev |
| 15:58.29 | zamaliphe | ok |
| 15:58.31 | azeem | intx: then I'd just ./configure && make && make install it and make sure it lands in /usr/local |
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| 15:58.43 | valdyn | sciboy: ok nevermind that, it didnt change place |
| 15:59.01 | valdyn | sciboy: what's the complete error message? |
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| 15:59.16 | dusty- | when I type: df -h it shows me this: /dev/hdb1 187G 33M 178G 1% /mnt/fileserver however its a 200gb hdd, the bios reports it as being 202.56gb how can I get it to give me the full 200gb for the partition instead of 187gb (that is a considerable loss) ? |
| 15:59.17 | intx | azeem: is it difficult to turn it into a deb? |
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| 15:59.32 | sciboy | valdyn, Over a thousand lines, bout the only think of concern is: missing file hid.h |
| 15:59.48 | azeem | intx: libraries are non-trivial usually |
| 16:00.00 | pharm | dusty-: Your bios is probably lying about the size. |
| 16:00.14 | vexed | hi ppl.. ne 1 know a command in debian to discover filesystem type? im trying to recover a disk ... help pls |
| 16:00.17 | pharm | dusty-: Well, it's giving you the number in units of 1000s, whereas df will be using powers of 2. |
| 16:00.17 | valdyn | sciboy: cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r) ; ls -ld build source |
| 16:00.33 | pharm | dusty-: You will lose some space to filesystem overhead of course. |
| 16:00.46 | smo_ | i added a file in /etc/udev/rules.d with ACTION=="add", SYSFS{modalias}=="usb:v1604p8006d0100dcFFdscFFdpFFicFFiscFFipFF", RUN+="/usr/local/sbin/us122" |
| 16:00.46 | smo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.50 | smo_ | please |
| 16:00.57 | sciboy | valdyn, |
| 16:00.58 | sciboy | ls: source: No such file or directory |
| 16:00.59 | sciboy | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2006-01-09 00:56 build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-1-686 |
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| 16:01.17 | valdyn | dusty-: your comparing apples and oranges, harddisks are measured in 10^x sizes, but df shows 2^n sizes |
| 16:01.44 | dusty- | pharm, Yeah but it shows you it has used 33mb for the filesystem overheed? |
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| 16:01.48 | cisee | dusty-: and the filesystem takes up some overhead |
| 16:01.54 | dusty- | hrm |
| 16:02.01 | dusty- | not as much as that though |
| 16:02.03 | valdyn | sciboy: look where wacom-source build system is looking for hid.h |
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| 16:02.16 | cisee | dusty-: hard drive manufacturers are also lame and call a gigabyte 1000 megabytes instead of 1024 |
| 16:02.31 | |Slurpee| | bites and bytes are differnt yo |
| 16:02.32 | cisee | ok so how do i make chmod 750 `find . -type d` work with directories that have spaces in the name ? |
| 16:02.37 | dusty- | On my main hard drive, its 39gbhdd and it shows up as a 36gb hdd? |
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| 16:03.23 | kombi | zamaliphe: got a root shell now, do you do grub fix mbr something? |
| 16:03.26 | dusty- | YOu guys are wrong. |
| 16:03.31 | valdyn | dusty-: 39000000000 bytes vs 39*2^30 bytes |
| 16:03.38 | dusty- | It wouldn't take 15gb for file system overheed |
| 16:03.43 | dusty- | thats 15gbs lost! |
| 16:03.59 | cisee | dusty-: we didn't say it was all file system |
| 16:04.02 | Knight_Lord | Actually 1 MB is no longer 2^20 bytes |
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| 16:04.25 | zamaliphe | kombi type grob |
| 16:04.25 | valdyn | dusty-: take out your calculator and do the maths yourself.. |
| 16:04.36 | dusty- | lol |
| 16:04.37 | kombi | grub you mean.. |
| 16:04.39 | dusty- | ok |
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| 16:05.09 | kombi | grub-install /dev/hda? |
| 16:05.16 | valdyn | !2**10 |
| 16:05.16 | dpkg | 1024 |
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| 16:05.20 | Knight_Lord | According to the new standard 1MB = 10^6 bytes and 1 MiB equals 2^20 bytes |
| 16:05.21 | zamaliphe | then root (hda?,?) |
| 16:05.24 | pharm | dusty-: 33Mb in 200Gb isn't exactly very much. |
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| 16:06.03 | zamaliphe | setup (hd0) kombi |
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| 16:06.09 | dusty- | pharm, ffs, it shows up as 187gb, and its 203.9 gb hdd thats like a loss of 15gb! |
| 16:06.16 | zamaliphe | thaats all kombi |
| 16:06.18 | pharm | dusty-: Oh wait. Never mind. Anyway, you need to recalc against the *real* disc size, not the one written on the disc & reported by the bios :) |
| 16:06.35 | pharm | dusty-: cat /proc/partitions should tell you |
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| 16:06.49 | zamaliphe | root (hda,?) |
| 16:06.57 | zamaliphe | setup (hd0) |
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| 16:07.13 | valdyn | !200000000000 / ( 2**30 ) |
| 16:07.13 | dpkg | 186.264514923096 |
| 16:07.18 | valdyn | dusty-: ^^^ |
| 16:07.26 | dusty- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.26 | dusty- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:07.53 | zamaliphe | what is youe boot drive |
| 16:08.10 | zamaliphe | what is youre boot drive ? kombi |
| 16:08.17 | pharm | dusty-: 199148544 = 189 Gb |
| 16:08.38 | valdyn | dusty-: 200 GB ( harddisk producer speak ) = 186,26G ( df speak ) |
| 16:08.39 | dusty- | ok |
| 16:08.40 | zamaliphe | hda? what kombi |
| 16:08.48 | pharm | dusty-: well, 189 Gibibyte, in the new name for the base 2 multiples |
| 16:08.52 | abrotman | god .. how do you people fill that much data on a home machine? |
| 16:08.58 | pharm | abrotman: mpeg2! |
| 16:09.03 | abrotman | apparently |
| 16:09.09 | kombi | zamaliphe: which kombi..;) |
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| 16:09.15 | pharm | abrotman: take 1 mediabeast => lots of data. |
| 16:09.30 | abrotman | i can't even fill a 40GB with two OSs :) |
| 16:09.32 | csch | hey guys, I'm trying to configure a imap server to authenticate with vpopmail |
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| 16:09.37 | abrotman | erm .. maybe it's 30GB |
| 16:09.41 | csch | but all that I do failed |
| 16:09.50 | csch | someone can help me please ? |
| 16:09.53 | dusty- | pharm, yeah ok.. so is there any possible way to get the full 200gb out of it? |
| 16:09.56 | csch | I dont know what to do ... |
| 16:10.02 | pharm | dusty-: no. You don't *have* 200Gb |
| 16:10.19 | zamaliphe | kombi wher is your grub drive ? |
| 16:10.21 | csch | I just need some help to configure it |
| 16:10.25 | pharm | dusty-: you have 189 Gb |
| 16:10.26 | kombi | zamaliphe: moment.. |
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| 16:10.35 | csch | I'm having an authentication error |
| 16:10.42 | csch | and dont know how to fix |
| 16:10.59 | zamaliphe | hda1 hda5 ??? |
| 16:11.01 | valdyn | actually he has ~187 |
| 16:11.10 | kombi | zamaliphe: well, the disk is hda1.. |
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| 16:11.18 | Knight_Lord | dusty- you have 200 billion bytes which is 189GiB |
| 16:11.41 | dusty- | pharm, im going to go mad in a sec, the hard drive was pulled from a working windows box, which reported it as 200gb, and at one point it was full of mp3s etc, and there was 200gbs worth of stuff on it. |
| 16:11.43 | Knight_Lord | dusty- actually they gave you some 2 billion bytes for free |
| 16:11.43 | kombi | zamaliphe: grub-install says it can't find boot.. |
| 16:11.47 | zamaliphe | root (hda1,0) |
| 16:11.48 | pharm | valdyn: I think your maths is wrong. |
| 16:11.59 | pharm | dusty-: windows lies as well. |
| 16:12.00 | Knight_Lord | dusty- depends on how you measure a GB |
| 16:12.16 | dusty- | ok fine |
| 16:12.21 | valdyn | pharm: nope, but if you used his 203.x, then i'd get 189 too |
| 16:12.24 | Knight_Lord | dusty- linux should actually report 189GiB but still using the old standard |
| 16:12.45 | pharm | dusty-: Or rather it counts in "1000s of 1000s of 1000s of bytes" wheres Linux is counting in 1024s of 1024s of 1024s of bytes |
| 16:12.46 | Knight_Lord | dusty- maybe windows is already using GB as 10^9 |
| 16:12.47 | zamaliphe | grub> root (hd0,0) |
| 16:12.47 | zamaliphe | grub> setup (hd0) |
| 16:12.48 | dusty- | OK guys, Ill take your word on it, and suffice with 189 :) |
| 16:12.58 | dusty- | I see |
| 16:13.02 | dusty- | thankyou |
| 16:13.03 | kombi | zamaliphe: hda1 seems to be right, thing says it can't find device for /boot |
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| 16:13.53 | zamaliphe | use this root (hd0,0) |
| 16:13.57 | Knight_Lord | dusty- i do agree this name mixing is a big mess |
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| 16:14.08 | zamaliphe | setup (hd0) |
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| 16:14.26 | csch | I'm newbie in debian, someone can help me to configure imap with vpopmail please ? |
| 16:14.31 | nWxon | what do I need to set in a program in order to get it's full path when I start it at `ps -fax` instead of just "10815 ? Ss 0:00 ./update.d" I would like to see "10815 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/local/update.d" |
| 16:14.38 | dusty- | Knight_Lord, Its crazy, they should set a standard. |
| 16:14.43 | _keroppi_ | I'm running Debian unstable and I want to revert xorg back to 6.8, how should I go about doing this? |
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| 16:14.59 | zamaliphe | kombi what ?????? |
| 16:15.00 | caphuso | dusty-: they did. but nobody uses it... |
| 16:15.06 | Knight_Lord | dusty- there is, but very few people uses it as it changes the meaning of GB |
| 16:15.22 | kombi | zamaliphe: I thing I got it.. |
| 16:15.24 | dusty- | ah |
| 16:15.25 | dusty- | :/ |
| 16:15.39 | kombi | think even... |
| 16:15.43 | pharm | _keroppi_: Grab the older debs from testing? |
| 16:15.44 | zamaliphe | ok kombikombi |
| 16:15.58 | zamaliphe | im hapy to help |
| 16:16.03 | kombi | thanks zama! |
| 16:16.18 | _keroppi_ | pharm: Yeah, but there's no "xorg" package, or meta package that you can just get, you have to do a bunch of packages |
| 16:16.21 | caphuso | and that's probably not going to change anytime soon. hell, you get to see people who thing Gb would be gigabyte |
| 16:16.26 | mrjive | is there a way to mount nero .nrg images? |
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| 16:16.31 | caphuso | s/ing/ink |
| 16:16.33 | dvm1981 | Have someone a good XFree86Config file for the ATI Readon 9600 to activate the 3D. I can not set it up or config this file, i have try several times but i fail in it :-( |
| 16:16.34 | mrjive | like with .iso images |
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| 16:16.41 | Knight_Lord | dusty- http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html for the relevant standard |
| 16:16.46 | caphuso | mrjive: nrg2iso |
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| 16:17.01 | cisee | _keroppi_: uh xserver-xorg ? |
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| 16:17.03 | theq | any suggestions for a web based management software for exim4 |
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| 16:17.08 | valdyn | dvm1981: with which X version and which driver ? |
| 16:17.19 | petemc | theq: vexim |
| 16:17.24 | csch | stew: are you there ? |
| 16:17.28 | csch | stew: can you help ? |
| 16:17.35 | mrjive | caphuso: so first you have to extract them? |
| 16:17.36 | _keroppi_ | cisee: thanks |
| 16:17.52 | caphuso | mrjive: if you want to mount them |
| 16:17.56 | dvm1981 | valdyn : It's for XFree86, How i look for the version i use? |
| 16:17.59 | mrjive | ok thanks |
| 16:18.02 | cisee | _keroppi_: prob want xbase-clients and xfonts-base xfonts-75dpi |
| 16:18.04 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 16:18.04 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 16:18.12 | valdyn | dvm1981: you need ^^^ |
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| 16:18.16 | caphuso | mrjive: the alternative is writing a pseudo filesystem driver |
| 16:18.17 | _keroppi_ | cisee: all from testing, or =6.8? |
| 16:18.29 | theq | vexim? |
| 16:18.38 | theq | i was not able to make it work |
| 16:18.40 | dvm1981 | valdyn : thx to ask on dpkg ;-) |
| 16:18.55 | dusty- | Knight_Lord, thankyou. |
| 16:18.56 | dvm1981 | valdyn : I try it again and hope ... |
| 16:19.01 | cisee | _keroppi_: hrm testing i think |
| 16:19.10 | theq | any other solution?? |
| 16:19.28 | cisee | k any clever solution to chmod 750 `find . -type d` when the dir's have spaces (need to change perms on a bunch of dirs) |
| 16:19.34 | smo_ | still anyone for help with udev rules?? |
| 16:19.41 | cisee | theq: see if webmin has a module for exim |
| 16:19.53 | caphuso | cisee: find ... -print0 | xargs -0 chmod ... |
| 16:20.00 | theq | can i seimply interface mysql |
| 16:20.09 | cisee | caphuso: ah thx |
| 16:20.11 | mrjive | caphuso: i found this, also: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Tools/Mount-ISO-image-2216.shtml |
| 16:20.13 | theq | is was looking for some docs |
| 16:20.32 | micker | hey all, I got a toshiba 3500 notebook last night, it had stable on it but there seemed to be a problem with xfree displaying the screen properly, I upgraded to etch and grabbed xorg, which worked great, but now I have a new issue... I'm using a USB keyboard until the replacement keyboard shows up in the mail and while the usb kb worked fine under sarge, about half way into the boot process under etch, it stops working. I can use it t |
| 16:20.32 | theq | i know the config file in exim can be pointed to mysql |
| 16:20.47 | theq | but i could not find details |
| 16:20.48 | randomdeltafixit | idoes anyone know why I would get the error libraw1394.so.8: not found? |
| 16:21.05 | theq | if it is possible i could use my own interface to mysql |
| 16:21.08 | dvm1981 | valdyn : What dpkg have say and point to the website the text there It's also valid for the Stable version? I run Stable here on this machine. |
| 16:21.11 | _keroppi_ | cisee: thanks again |
| 16:21.21 | cisee | np |
| 16:21.28 | zamaliphe | can any one help haw to creat .deb files |
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| 16:21.50 | azeem | zamaliphe: did you read the packaging guide? |
| 16:21.51 | pharm | micker: we lost you there... |
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| 16:22.12 | micker | pharm, since upgrading to etch, my USB keyboard quit working |
| 16:22.23 | zamaliphe | wear it azeem help? |
| 16:22.39 | intx | conntrack: error while loading shared libraries: libnetfilter_conntrack.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:22.41 | pharm | micker: When in the boot process? After X starts? |
| 16:22.44 | intx | anyone know why I'm getting this error? |
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| 16:23.35 | micker | pharm - nope, i stopped X from starting on its own and have rebooted and it still quits working |
| 16:24.18 | jjazz | intx: at a guess, I'd say you're missing that lib. It might be a missing package or a missing symlink. |
| 16:24.27 | micker | pharm - if I replug the kb, I get the message 'usb.c: USB device 3 is not claimed by any active driver' |
| 16:24.29 | intx | I installed the lib.. which is odd. |
| 16:24.38 | pharm | micker: Hmm. hotplug failure? |
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| 16:24.41 | intx | *which is why |
| 16:24.47 | pharm | micker: Which kernel? Is udev running? |
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| 16:24.52 | Hoster | where is the order xc ? |
| 16:25.20 | dvm1981 | valdyn : Are you there ? |
| 16:25.26 | micker | pharm - no I did a dist-upgrade from sarge, udev is failing at boot, its one of the things I wanted to troubleshoot as soon as I had a working keyboard... |
| 16:25.52 | micker | pharm - 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 16:25.55 | azeem | zamaliphe: sorry? |
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| 16:26.22 | zamaliphe | whear packaging guide is azeem help? |
| 16:26.28 | _rene_ | micker: what is the error? |
| 16:26.51 | stew | micker: udev in testing requires at least a 2.6.12 kenrel |
| 16:27.08 | randomdeltafixit | is there a channel for really Debian ignorant people? |
| 16:27.15 | azeem | zamaliphe: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 16:27.15 | abrotman | !tell zamaliphe about nm |
| 16:27.27 | abrotman | randomdeltafixit: you can try here |
| 16:27.36 | abrotman | err .. not nm |
| 16:27.39 | abrotman | !tell zamaliphe about mg |
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| 16:28.27 | micker | _rene_ - for the keyboard, its 'usb.c: USB device 3 is not claimed by any active driver', for udev just says FAILED at boot, but I suppos thats because I have the wrong kernel... |
| 16:28.42 | stew | micker: you are now running testing? |
| 16:29.05 | micker | stew - yes, as of last night |
| 16:29.13 | Silent_al | afff... any other tool to format vfat partitions other than mkfs.vfat? or i'll have to boot to dos and format using ms-dos' fdisk? |
| 16:29.17 | stew | micker: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 16:29.26 | _rene_ | micker: udev says nothing more? it's because the kernel why I asked, yes |
| 16:29.34 | zamaliphe | i dont understand ??? nm ,mg?? abrotman |
| 16:29.43 | abrotman | zamaliphe: read what dpkg told you |
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| 16:30.14 | randomdeltafixit | when i run sh configure, make, make install and make dev it says "/dev/raw1394 exists... but when i run the application that uses the raw1394 is says libraw1394.so.8: not found? |
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| 16:31.45 | abrotman | !tell randomdeltafixit about search |
| 16:31.50 | abrotman | !find libraw1394.so sarge |
| 16:32.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libraw1394.so' (2): (/usr/lib/libraw1394.so) in libdevel/libraw1394-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{libraw1394.so.5|libraw1394.so.5.2.0}) in libs/libraw1394-5. |
| 16:32.34 | abrotman | randomdeltafixit: what version of debian? |
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| 16:34.38 | micker | stew - and pharm and _rene_ thank you, new kernel fixed it... |
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| 16:36.39 | pharm | micker: Well, that was easy (from my POV) then :) |
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| 16:38.03 | micker | pharm - now I just need to figure out why the wifi isnt working and how to get the pen/tablet controls working |
| 16:38.25 | hid3 | Evening everyone. On my network traffic shaper "ksoftirqd" process consumes a lot cpu usage (nealy 100%) and idle is 0%. What can be wrong with it? |
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| 16:41.06 | pharm | micker: Oh, the joys of upgrading :) |
| 16:41.27 | hob | Hi all. Just installed a debian base system, but used a dynamic IP setup. How can a specify a static IP? |
| 16:41.41 | pharm | micker: Mind, last time round the pen/tablet was just a new entry in xorg.conf ; wireless can be a bit of pain however! |
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| 16:42.15 | slashme | Hi! I was trying to reconfigure my Xserver at home earlier today, and I had to edit /etc/X11/XFree86-4 by hand, because I couldn't find out where dpkg-reconfigure xsrver-xfree86 was writing its file to. I did that thing with the md5 sum that was suggested at the beginning of XF86Config-4, but it didn't help. Any ideas? |
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| 16:42.32 | cleatonn | hi, i need some help to configure xserver-xfree86 for a ati x800 |
| 16:42.45 | phani | hi ppl .. |
| 16:43.09 | phani | i need some help regarding installation of Promise FX2000 RAID on Debian |
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| 16:43.24 | phani | Has any body got it working ? |
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| 16:43.51 | zamaliphe | thanks alot gayes by |
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| 16:44.05 | micker | pharm - yeah, I'm installing the wacom driver right now... The wifi apparently just uses the atheros/orinoco driver, but whats odd is that on most of my laptops, I use orinoco silver or gold cards and they're auto detected |
| 16:44.29 | blah | Whew, that jump throught the gate was rough. |
| 16:44.47 | jair | guys, if I have a vsftpd server running and I connect to it using winscp or scp or sftp do I get my connection secure?? or I still vulnerable to sniffers?? |
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| 16:45.13 | pharm | micker: Is it PCMCIA? Maybe the ID for that card has dropped out of the database in the shift to udev for hotplug stuff? |
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| 16:45.22 | pharm | got to go... |
| 16:45.23 | jair | ok then I have the secure ftp cliets winscp or filezilla but then what about a good sftp or scp server? |
| 16:45.27 | jair | for debian |
| 16:45.28 | phani | any body can help on installing promise RAID > |
| 16:45.29 | phani | ? |
| 16:45.29 | micker | pharm - nah its embedded |
| 16:45.45 | pharm | micker: weird. |
| 16:45.51 | micker | yeah |
| 16:46.19 | chealer | jair: sftp won't connect to vsftpd |
| 16:46.26 | bbrazil | jair: ssh |
| 16:46.44 | stew | micker: when you upgraded hotplug was removed becuase it conflicts with udev now, it used to modprobe the drivers for you, now you have to add them to /etc/modules |
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| 16:47.02 | jair | chealer, but then it is a sftp server I can install ina debian??? |
| 16:47.12 | chealer | jair: openssh |
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| 16:47.36 | jair | bbrazil, yes but I am sharing this files to two girls with not knowledge of commands :) |
| 16:47.44 | jair | chealer, ohhh ok |
| 16:47.55 | bbrazil | jair: ssh is the package that contains a sftp/ssh server |
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| 16:48.02 | POVaddct | jair: sftp-server is a subsystem of the ssh server. it's already there when ssh/sshd is installed. |
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| 16:48.12 | skon | jair: winscp will connect with ssh |
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| 16:48.20 | skon | open that is |
| 16:48.33 | micker | stew - ok, so how do I find them? WHen I got this, the previous owner never was able to get the wifi to work under sarge... |
| 16:49.11 | stew | micker: which wifi chipset? |
| 16:49.18 | jair | POVaddct, I see, so then I have it already because I use ssh to connect with all the linux servers and I use winscp to connect from windows systems to the linux servers |
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| 16:49.21 | jair | putty as well |
| 16:49.33 | micker | stew - atheros |
| 16:50.10 | stew | micker: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
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| 16:50.26 | jair | skon,ohhh I see if I create a user this people will be able to get and upload files within their own /home/user directory without delete or change other users's directories. |
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| 16:50.36 | jair | bbrazil, got it |
| 16:50.41 | stew | micker: however substitude linux-headers where it says kernel-headers |
| 16:50.43 | phani | Any help on Promise cards ? |
| 16:50.45 | dvm1981 | I have look at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html to setting up my ATI Readeon video card. Like noted on this site i have added somethings to the 'source.list' but im not sure that after added that it's dispo for the Stable version. Can someone help me |
| 16:51.01 | jair | bbrazil, POVaddct skon chealer you guys rocks!! ;) |
| 16:51.07 | jair | thank you |
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| 16:51.39 | jair | I will do the winscp with the user name home directories and they will be able to connect and get anything they want from their home directory ;) |
| 16:51.43 | dvm1981 | So now when a do a search with apt i not find the package fglrx, it's normal ? |
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| 16:52.20 | _Sam-- | hey what is dpkg command to reconfigure X ? |
| 16:52.27 | stew | phani: if you have a specific question, ask it |
| 16:52.30 | bbrazil | !drxx |
| 16:52.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 16:53.57 | dvm1981 | bbrazil : It's for my? |
| 16:53.58 | micker | stew - the upgrade errors out saying it cant find kernel-headers for my kernel |
| 16:54.15 | stew | 11:54 < stew> micker: however substitude linux-headers where it says kernel-headers |
| 16:54.20 | bbrazil | dvm1981: ? |
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| 16:54.38 | dvm1981 | the suggestion of drxx |
| 16:54.46 | bbrazil | dvm1981: no, thats for _Sam-- |
| 16:54.56 | micker | stew - sorry, missed that the first time you said it :) |
| 16:54.57 | cleatonn | is there a deb file with ati drivers? |
| 16:55.22 | stew | cleatonn: the xserver comes with them |
| 16:55.27 | ryushe | hi, having trouble applying the key fix mentioned in the topic for testing. error returned is "not a valid key ID" |
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| 16:55.56 | chealer | ryushe: try just upgrading your apt |
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| 16:55.58 | bgat | is xinerama enabled in the KDE that comes with sarge? |
| 16:56.07 | dvm1981 | bbrazil : Sorry for the interuption :-) i waiting for help or some addvies and it's also little bit concern my the Xfree |
| 16:56.08 | cleatonn | well how to configure xserver so i can use my x800? |
| 16:56.10 | smo_ | is this line good for a udev rule ??? ACTION=="add", MODALIAS=="usb:v1604p8006d0100dcFFdscFFdpFFicFFiscFFipFF", RUN+="/usr/local/sbin/us122",RUN+="/sbin/modprobe snd-usb-usx2y", NAME="%k", MODE="0660" |
| 16:56.12 | smo_ | ?? |
| 16:56.27 | ryushe | chealer > will do |
| 16:56.32 | bbrazil | dvm1981: I con't see that package on amd64/sarge |
| 16:56.39 | stew | cleatonn: oh i don't think the x800 is supported by opensource drivers yet, /msg dpkg ati drivers |
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| 16:56.43 | bbrazil | dvm1981: *dont |
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| 16:56.52 | hoorntje | how can I remove it from my pc? |
| 16:57.04 | resiak | it == ? |
| 16:57.07 | cleatonn | it worked on a debian based knopix i got |
| 16:57.11 | dvm1981 | bbrazil : Also added the line 'deb-src http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/ /' ? |
| 16:57.11 | ryushe | chealer > apt is already the newest version it says |
| 16:57.15 | stew | cleatonn: using what driver? |
| 16:57.24 | cleatonn | dont know |
| 16:57.32 | bbrazil | dvm1981: ah, your looking for sources. try apt-get source |
| 16:57.37 | chealer | ryushe: which version is it? |
| 16:57.44 | stew | cleatonn: ati? radeon? fglrx? boot it and find out, if its one of the first two, those come with the xserver |
| 16:58.01 | cleatonn | isnt there a deb file of this http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=201&num=1 |
| 16:58.07 | cleatonn | ? |
| 16:58.10 | stew | cleatonn: and as long as it is not fglrx, you could just use the same config from knoppix |
| 16:58.10 | dvm1981 | bbrazil : Bingo :-) works now |
| 16:58.16 | ryushe | chealer > 0.6.43.1 |
| 16:58.34 | chealer | ryushe: and what problems do you get? |
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| 16:58.54 | dvm1981 | bbrazil : Verry thx for the tip :-) |
| 16:59.03 | cleatonn | how to see what config it go? |
| 16:59.14 | bbrazil | dvm1981: looking at that site there's pre-built debs too |
| 16:59.22 | stew | cleatonn: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 16:59.37 | hoorntje | how can i remove debian gnu/linux from my pc. because i can't linux but my friend installed on my pc. now will i have windows on it, and remove linux |
| 16:59.40 | dvm1981 | bbrazil : How ? I have not been understand. |
| 16:59.46 | cleatonn | stew, ok |
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| 17:00.03 | Ronin | hoorntje: you mean remove windows dont you? |
| 17:00.08 | hid3 | Evening everyone. On my network traffic shaper "ksoftirqd" process consumes a lot cpu usage (nealy 100%) and idle is 0%. What can be wrong with it? |
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| 17:00.30 | ryushe | chealer > GPG error: the following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY <nr.> NO_PUBKEY <other nr.> |
| 17:00.35 | dvm1981 | bbrazil : Sorry i have a bad english, i thinking ... |
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| 17:00.42 | hoorntje | no i will remove linux, and install windows again |
| 17:00.42 | ryushe | ^^^ when doing an apt-get update |
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| 17:01.02 | dvm1981 | bbrazil : Would you say that i can download the deb on the website ? |
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| 17:01.37 | bbrazil | dvm1981: probably |
| 17:02.00 | abrotman | just install windows |
| 17:02.04 | chealer | ryushe: hum, what are those numbers? |
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| 17:02.12 | dvm1981 | bbrazil : I can not find it the debs there on the website. |
| 17:02.15 | brendan__ | can anyone reccomend a good GUI acl editor? |
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| 17:02.20 | ryushe | chealer > one sec, have to type them over :) |
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| 17:02.42 | bbrazil | dvm1981: read the instructions on the website |
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| 17:03.10 | dvm1981 | bbrazil : I have do 'apt-get source fglrx-source' and his been on downloading, it just slow |
| 17:03.13 | hoorntje | i don't know how i have to work on linux, so how can i install than windows |
| 17:03.21 | v01d[work] | hi, I've just setup PAM pam_ldap and nss_ldap to auth against my ldap server but something is not correctly configured on this machine (client) because pam_ldap never attempts to bind as the user (only anonymous binds), anyone knows what could it be? |
| 17:03.22 | ryushe | chealer > F1D53D8C4F368D5D and 010908312D230C5F |
| 17:03.38 | abrotman | hoorntje: this is not #windows. we help people install/fix linux. If you can't get windows installed, you've got serious problems |
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| 17:04.13 | dvm1981 | bbrazil : I not find the many instructions to follow, or we are not on the same site. |
| 17:04.18 | Ronin | and if your buddy installed linux make him show you or reset the computer back to how you want it |
| 17:04.31 | EricL | I can't get any other kernel to work other than the stock kernel for Debian Sarge. Even when I apt-get 2.6.8, the kernel panics on bootup, can someone help me out? |
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| 17:04.34 | Azar | is Debian filesystem a FAT? I thought is a EXT.. |
| 17:04.38 | bbrazil | dvm1981: that link you gave me seems to tell you all you need to know |
| 17:04.41 | hoorntje | abrotman i can install windows but linux is now on that pc and i asked only how i must remove linux |
| 17:04.49 | abrotman | just install over it |
| 17:04.56 | hoorntje | ok |
| 17:04.58 | EricL | Azar: EXT(2|3) |
| 17:04.59 | abrotman | did you even try to install windows? |
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| 17:05.02 | hoorntje | i'll try it |
| 17:05.03 | petemc | hoorntje: theres a microsoft knowledge base article on removing linux... |
| 17:05.05 | ryushe | hoorntje > just pop in the windows CD and follow on-screen instructions? |
| 17:05.06 | abrotman | it's almost as easy as installing debian |
| 17:05.07 | POVaddct | jair: of course the winscp users are still able to do a shell login using putty. i found out setting /usr/lib/sftp-server as login shell disables interactive login so only file transfer is allowed. |
| 17:05.26 | abrotman | hoorntje: alternately .. ask google how to remove linux |
| 17:05.36 | jair | POVaddct, perfect I will check that |
| 17:05.37 | nvz | heh |
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| 17:05.54 | nvz | abrotman: are you trolling? |
| 17:06.03 | abrotman | nvz: am i? |
| 17:06.15 | Azar | thank you EricL |
| 17:06.15 | nvz | abrotman: remove linux? install windows? |
| 17:06.16 | petemc | dpkg: remove linux is http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;247804 |
| 17:06.17 | dpkg | okay, petemc |
| 17:06.25 | EricL | azeem: no problem. |
| 17:06.34 | dvm1981 | bbrazil : I look on it, but seems that i look not good |
| 17:06.35 | EricL | Azar: no problem. |
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| 17:06.57 | abrotman | nvz: not me .. hoornslog or whatever his name was |
| 17:07.00 | POVaddct | i wonder if a user with /usr/lib/sftp-server as login shell is still able to get a shell and run commands |
| 17:07.05 | stew | !sing abrotman |
| 17:07.05 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 17:07.22 | v01d[work] | mmm, now that I see it, I do bind as the user... but i see "I have no name" upon login, getent passwd as that user won't show the ldap data, but as root it does... anyone has any clues? |
| 17:07.27 | nvz | abrotman: debian doesnt run on windows. |
| 17:07.28 | GutterPunk | Hi I can't find "CONFIG_NETLINK" in my kernel config file. Does anybody know where in menuconfig I can find this entry? |
| 17:07.29 | dvm1981 | bbrazill : Find [ |
| 17:07.33 | abrotman | !colinux |
| 17:07.33 | dpkg | colinux is, like, http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC virtualization ... |
| 17:07.37 | bbrazil | v01d[work]: nsswitch.conf |
| 17:07.40 | GutterPunk | or where to activate this |
| 17:07.48 | Azar | EricL I was reading some news and it says: 'The Linux OS uses the FAT file system. |
| 17:08.16 | abrotman | stop reading slashdot :) |
| 17:08.22 | EricL | Azar: Nope. It can read/write/mount FAT filesystems if the module is in the kernel. |
| 17:08.29 | Azar | abrotman, is INquirer, and all over the other news |
| 17:08.40 | nvz | Azar: ok, you are trolling :P |
| 17:08.44 | chealer | ryushe: does # apt-key list|grep 2006; return something? |
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| 17:08.58 | Azar | nvz, it was just a question |
| 17:09.23 | Azar | thanks EricL |
| 17:09.42 | ryushe | chealer > apt-key list itself returns gpg: [don't know]: invalid packet (ctb=03) |
| 17:10.03 | stew | ryushe: what version of apt do you have installed? |
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| 17:10.12 | ryushe | stew > 0.6.43.1 |
| 17:10.15 | v01d[work] | bbrazil, I have that setup ok, it has "files ldap" for group shadow and passwd... as I said, as root it works |
| 17:10.23 | chealer | ryushe: hum, I dont know |
| 17:10.52 | ryushe | chealer > ie. invalid packet and invalid keyring it says |
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| 17:11.05 | stew | ryushe: check the bts /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:11.21 | chealer | ryushe: did APT work correctly before the 2006 key issue (beginning of january)? |
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| 17:11.34 | ryushe | chealer > this is a fresh install :/ |
| 17:12.00 | chealer | ryushe: how did you install? |
| 17:12.21 | ryushe | on another machine it did work prior to jan. 2006, and the fix provided in topic worked for me on that machine |
| 17:12.25 | v01d[work] | bbrazil, fixed it... chmod 644 libnss_ldap.conf |
| 17:12.31 | ryushe | chealer > netinstall cd |
| 17:12.36 | bbrazil | v01d[work]: was half thinking it might be permissions |
| 17:12.42 | chealer | ryushe: a daily etch? |
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| 17:13.06 | v01d[work] | tanks anyway |
| 17:13.17 | ryushe | not the experimental installer, latest stable installer |
| 17:13.45 | chealer | ryushe: hum. which release do you run? |
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| 17:14.18 | ryushe | testing atm |
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| 17:15.16 | chealer | ryushe: OK. I don't think the stable installer (sarge d-i RC3) can install etch but I don't know how to help you |
| 17:15.34 | alekandr | anyone know how to define $NAME as /usr/folder/folder ? i.e. you cd $HOME, for home directory? |
| 17:15.56 | nosklo | i am connected to two networks by two network interfaces, one is connected to the internet, and the other to the local intranet. how do I resolve DNS queries on both interfaces? route is ok, but it seems to query only the first dns server in resolv.conf |
| 17:16.14 | ryushe | chealer > it can't, but of course after install you can change the sources.list file from stable to testing .. ;) |
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| 17:16.21 | intx | anyone have trouble compiling a kernel module image? |
| 17:16.24 | pipeline | nosklo: It won't fall back to other dns servers unless the first one fails, I don't think. |
| 17:16.29 | pipeline | intx: Use module-assistant :| |
| 17:16.39 | chealer | ryushe: ah, so you installed sarge and upgraded to etch |
| 17:16.40 | stew | alekandr: "export NAME=/usr/folder/folder" |
| 17:16.43 | ryushe | chealer > yes |
| 17:17.15 | alekandr | stew: no need to add to .bash_profile? |
| 17:17.21 | nosklo | pipeline, but none of the dns servers are down... they just have different name tables... |
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| 17:17.40 | pipeline | nosklo: That's a problem. I think you'll have to fool with nsswitch.conf or something to change the way that's handled. |
| 17:17.43 | stew | alekandr: you can add that to .bash_profile if you wish |
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| 17:18.04 | pipeline | nosklo: What I would do is configure the local DNS to refer non-local requests upstream, then make the local DNS the primary. I just find it easier that way than fooling with clients. |
| 17:18.06 | alekandr | stew: thanks :) |
| 17:18.22 | flujan | hi all, where Can I download a unstable iso image? |
| 17:18.38 | flujan | the mirrors provided in the debian.org site just sux |
| 17:18.39 | flujan | :( |
| 17:19.06 | hueh | nosklo: I have a similar situation and use djbdns listening and directing queries |
| 17:19.16 | nvz | FUCK! i just damn. |
| 17:19.26 | nosklo | pipeline, i cant configure the local server, it is not mine |
| 17:19.39 | pipeline | nosklo: Oh, burn. |
| 17:19.43 | nvz | :( I just lost root |
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| 17:20.16 | nosklo | hueh, will take a look to this djbdns |
| 17:20.17 | pipeline | nosklo: Well, read nsswitch.conf's man page very, very carefully. |
| 17:20.22 | pipeline | nosklo: djbdns is a DNS server. |
| 17:20.33 | pipeline | nosklo: What you want to do is possible, it's just a pain in the butt because the man page is so hard to read. |
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| 17:20.46 | pipeline | nosklo: basically, if something isn't found on the remote dns, you want it to consult the secondary dns server. |
| 17:20.58 | pipeline | nosklo: No? |
| 17:21.04 | nosklo | yes |
| 17:21.07 | pipeline | well then |
| 17:21.11 | nosklo | pipeline, basically thats it |
| 17:21.11 | pipeline | that is indeed doable on linux via nsswitch.conf |
| 17:21.13 | pipeline | it's just a pain |
| 17:21.25 | pipeline | less of a pain than setting up a local DNS server on each client, though :P |
| 17:21.26 | nvz | oh well I still have sudo for like one program :P |
| 17:21.34 | cisee | hrm using udev, just made a parition on my raid device /dev/md1p1 but doesn't show up under /dev/md* and pvcreate can't see it either |
| 17:21.38 | jjazz | How can I find out what's keeping my packages back? |
| 17:21.57 | nosklo | pipeline, will take a look... |
| 17:22.17 | TBBle | jjazz: Install it, and see what apt tries to do. |
| 17:22.21 | stew | jjazz: if you don't want them kept back you can "apt-get install packagename" |
| 17:22.27 | nosklo | pipeline, in the worst case i can put a dns server locally and query it, and it can query both servers? |
| 17:22.34 | jjazz | nosklo: When you figure it out, would you let me know? I face the same problem. |
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| 17:22.54 | jjazz | TBBle, stew: thanks. |
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| 17:23.23 | nosklo | jjazz, ok |
| 17:23.26 | nixxie | are there alternatives to debian from scratch? it's a bit dated. |
| 17:23.30 | pipeline | nosklo: Yeah, but that's a really, really bad idea. |
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| 17:23.39 | pipeline | nixxie: debootstrap ? :P |
| 17:23.46 | jjazz | pipeline: Why is that a bad idea? |
| 17:23.54 | nosklo | pipeline, not so much, i have only one client connected to both networks |
| 17:23.56 | pipeline | jjazz: Installing a DNS server on each and every client? |
| 17:24.04 | stew | nosklo: can you not just query the internal server and have it recursively query an external server for domains which it isn't authoritative on? |
| 17:24.06 | nixxie | pipeline, im trying to build a debian installing capable usb stick |
| 17:24.07 | pipeline | nosklo: It's still kind of silly. |
| 17:24.13 | nosklo | pipeline, i agree |
| 17:24.20 | wizzomafizzo | How can I have a debian system based on the testing repos? |
| 17:24.24 | pipeline | That's why libnss is configurable in the first place. |
| 17:24.29 | pipeline | wizzomafizzo: Install a stable base system and upgrade to testing. |
| 17:24.36 | nosklo | stew, unfortunately i cant mess with the local dns server |
| 17:24.41 | pipeline | wizzomafizzo: The "netinstall" disc, despite its name, doesn't require you to install anything from the net. |
| 17:24.43 | nosklo | stew, cant change its configuration |
| 17:24.46 | pipeline | wizzomafizzo: It's just the most minimal possible base system. |
| 17:24.52 | wizzomafizzo | pipeline: How do I do that? |
| 17:24.53 | nosklo | stew, and it is not on the other network |
| 17:25.00 | wizzomafizzo | pipeline: Do I edit something? |
| 17:25.00 | nosklo | stew, only one client is in both networks |
| 17:25.01 | jjazz | pipeline: I have a perl script acting as a local dns server. It queries a nameserver and if it comes back NXDOMAIN, tries the next. It's silly, but it works. (it's a one-client solution) |
| 17:25.21 | pipeline | wizzomafizzo: You do it in the base-config wizard that comes up after you install debian. |
| 17:25.24 | nosklo | jjazz, cool |
| 17:25.34 | pipeline | wizzomafizzo: You choose "testing" as your apt source, and then upgrade. |
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| 17:25.45 | pipeline | wizzomafizzo: alternatively, you run the "apt-config" command to run the configuration wizard |
| 17:25.46 | jjazz | nosklo: It's not a robust solution, though, so looking into nsswitch is on todo list. |
| 17:26.00 | wizzomafizzo | pipeline: Well ok. I guess I'm installing Debian tomorrow, thanks for your help. |
| 17:26.04 | pipeline | jjazz: It's incredibly silly. libnss is configurable for that exact purpose. |
| 17:26.13 | nosklo | jjazz, can i grab this perl script? |
| 17:26.16 | pipeline | jjazz: Actually, it goes beyond silly and into dead stupid, because your successor will look at that and say "what the fuck was he doing" |
| 17:26.20 | pipeline | nosklo: You should be shot :P |
| 17:26.45 | jjazz | pipeline: I agree it's silly. I was lazy and the script was the easy solution. |
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| 17:27.48 | jjazz | nosklo: I'll dig out the script. It's a horrible hack, I warn you. No error checking, no nothing. |
| 17:28.18 | kspath | starting to feel like the guy in the movie (lawnmower man?) I just can not stop learning/reading/studying everything is interconnected/interrelated |
| 17:29.00 | nosklo | pipeline, i know, but if it solves the situation for now, it will buy me time |
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| 17:29.38 | nixxie | so are there folks here who succesfully run grub + debian on an usb stick, so that i know i aint wasting my time trying?:) |
| 17:29.44 | nosklo | pipeline, i am reading the nsswitch.conf man page and understand what you meant by "pain" |
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| 17:34.40 | jelly | Is there something like apt-get --print-uris upgrade for aptitude? |
| 17:35.26 | EricL | Anyone know how stable the testing version is (sid)? |
| 17:36.12 | jjazz | nosklo: Hope you don't mind. I /msg'd you. |
| 17:36.24 | jjazz | EricL: testing = etch. unstable = sid. |
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| 17:37.17 | nosklo | jjazz, np |
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| 17:37.24 | jjazz | cool |
| 17:37.31 | EricL | jjazz: Hmmm, I thought the previous unstable version went to testing and then a new codename for unstable is created. |
| 17:37.43 | rvalles | I want to install X... what's the package name for the full thing? |
| 17:38.06 | rvalles | since xserver-xorg seems to only install the server and its dependences. |
| 17:38.06 | jjazz | EricL: The previous testing went stable and then a new name for testing was created. Unstable always is called Sid. |
| 17:38.07 | Azar | wasn't Sid allways Sid? err unstable? |
| 17:38.14 | EricL | rvalles: There isn't a single package for full thing using apt-get, plus it depends on what window manager you want install. |
| 17:38.21 | Eulex | Azar, yes |
| 17:38.26 | rvalles | EricL: using aptitude |
| 17:38.37 | thingfish | rvalles: try x-window-system |
| 17:38.41 | rvalles | EricL: I want not just the server, but the fonts, etc |
| 17:38.43 | rvalles | thingfish: thanks |
| 17:38.47 | thingfish | np |
| 17:38.52 | EricL | jjazz: I stand corrected. Well, in that case, how stable is etch? |
| 17:38.54 | Azar | the way I remember was Woody-stable Sarge-testing and Sid-unstable |
| 17:39.09 | Eulex | rvalles, yes, x-window-system will install all of X. but it won't install a desktop environment or any other window manager than twm. |
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| 17:39.16 | resiak | EricL: x-window-system-core is the bare minimum you need to run X |
| 17:39.16 | EricL | Azar: I remember the same thing and before that potato was stable. |
| 17:39.30 | rvalles | Eulex: great, since it's exactly what I want. |
| 17:39.32 | jjazz | EricL: Conventional wisdom says don't use it for production servers. Lots of people use it for their desktop machines though. |
| 17:39.32 | thingfish | rvalles: you might look at tasksel, too. |
| 17:39.49 | EricL | resiak: I usually use apt-get and install a whole list of stuff when I am building a system for X |
| 17:39.51 | Azar | EricL, two years ago I did not even heard about Etch... it just came to light after Sarge went stable.. |
| 17:39.55 | rvalles | thingfish: I'm willing to avoid tasksel |
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| 17:40.02 | resiak | EricL: I say again, x-window-system-core is the bare minimum you need to run X. |
| 17:40.05 | rvalles | thingfish: too bloatish for my tastes. |
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| 17:40.50 | EricL | jjazz: I am trying to fix a Debian machine that no one has any idea what problem is. So I figure since I am out of options, I am just going to dist-upgrade and pray. |
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| 17:41.24 | Daveman | hi thingfish |
| 17:41.31 | jjazz | EricL: That sounds like an inordinately bad idea. Let me know how it turns out! |
| 17:41.32 | thingfish | hey Daveman |
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| 17:41.38 | Eulex | EricL, if you have some experience with package management in debian, testing shouldn't be any problem. but as already said, you shouldn't run it on production servers. |
| 17:42.00 | thetallcoolone | how do I change ownership of a directory ro mthe command line? |
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| 17:42.11 | Eulex | EricL, in that case, could you describe the problem to us? what version of debian is it running |
| 17:42.12 | bbrazil | thetallcoolone: chown |
| 17:42.15 | EricL | jjazz: Its a terrible idea, but I have been using linux for about 8 years and 4 of them have been on Debian and I have been at this same problem for 3 days. |
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| 17:42.22 | thetallcoolone | bbrazil: thanks |
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| 17:42.40 | EricL | Eulex: I can't get a new kernel to install. It makes the machine panic. |
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| 17:42.56 | Eulex | EricL, what kernel? |
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| 17:43.16 | EricL | I have tried the Debian 2.6.8, I have tried building 2.4.27 from source and tried building 2.6.15 from source and they all give me the same error. |
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| 17:43.34 | EricL | The kernel panic is this: '/sbin/init: 399: arith: syntax error: "0xe/hda1"' |
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| 17:43.58 | EricL | I have googled like crazy and the only wisdom google can provide for me is from Ubuntu and it says to reinstall. |
| 17:44.00 | Azar | EricL I am newbie but at the last install I had, I got kernel panic due to some BIOS settings.. |
| 17:44.13 | Eulex | EricL, umh... never seen that one before, but it sounds strange. again, what version of debian is the machine running? |
| 17:44.19 | resiak | EricL: Is your fstab, or your grub/lilo conf, fucked? |
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| 17:44.28 | EricL | Eulex: A fresh Sarge install. |
| 17:44.44 | EricL | resiak: Not that I am aware of. I have even tried reinstalling grub a few times. |
| 17:44.52 | Eulex | EricL, the stock 2.4.27 kernel works? |
| 17:45.04 | EricL | Eulex: The stock kernel is the only one that works. |
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| 17:45.20 | Azar | EricL is a new machine? |
| 17:45.35 | EricL | Its a P4 2.4GHz Xeon w/HT |
| 17:45.45 | Azar | EricL, a new machine? |
| 17:45.54 | EricL | About 2 years old. |
| 17:46.23 | Eulex | EricL, you could possibly try getting the 2.6.12 kernel image from testing and test if that one works. otherwise, I have no idea. |
| 17:46.28 | Azar | EricL check the BIOS see how hardware are configured there |
| 17:47.04 | Azar | .. a precompiled 2.6.8 should work... |
| 17:47.07 | EricL | It freezes at the same point everytime. Right after the initrd image is done and its loaded all the drives up, it freezes like it can't find /dev/hda1 |
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| 17:47.53 | Azar | EricL dunno about grub but with LILO the initrd image line has to be entered in lilo.conf then lilo run before reboot |
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| 17:48.05 | elessar7x | Hi |
| 17:48.11 | Azar | the magic grub might not do the job |
| 17:48.20 | elessar7x | I am not able to enable DMA support on my box |
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| 17:48.23 | EricL | Azar: I am not a huge fan of grub, but I know I am using it correctly. |
| 17:48.24 | Eulex | Azar, grub should. |
| 17:48.39 | Azar | Eulex, yes I guess it should |
| 17:48.41 | elessar7x | it throws an: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 17:48.48 | EricL | GRUB, regardless of weather or not I like it, is perfectly capable of doing the job. |
| 17:49.02 | cleatonn | hello, i need some help to get startx to work with my ati x800, do i need to do some special configurations? |
| 17:49.32 | Eulex | EricL, for the kernels that you compiled yourself: did you use an initrd and did you place the needed drivers in it? if not, did you compile the needed drivers into the kernel? (the drivers that are needed are the driver for the filesystem and the ide/scsi/sata chipset) |
| 17:49.47 | Azar | EricL maybe this issue is docummented and discussed online somewhere |
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| 17:50.07 | EricL | Eulex: I tried both ways, with and without an initrd and I also tried compiling everything right into the kernel and still nothing. |
| 17:50.34 | Eulex | EricL, and you are sure that you compiled in the right drivers? |
| 17:50.38 | Azar | EricL did you tried a more stable 2.6.x kernel before jumping so high? |
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| 17:51.08 | Eulex | Azar, 2.6.8 is the most stable out there. btw, it's the only 2.6.x kernel in stable. |
| 17:51.09 | EricL | Eulex: I am pretty sure. But the fact is that I am getting the same error as when I use a precompiled kernel. |
| 17:51.20 | Azar | Eulex, right |
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| 17:51.22 | elessar7x | Anyone have any ideas on getting DMA enabled? |
| 17:51.32 | chugga | question .. why dont some things get built with readline support? |
| 17:51.36 | Eulex | Azar, so what could be more "stable" than a 2.6.8 one? |
| 17:51.48 | Azar | Eulex, my bad |
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| 17:52.02 | Azar | EricL, do you use apt-get or aptitude for installing a new kernel? |
| 17:52.14 | EricL | apt-get, but that doesn't matter. |
| 17:52.16 | Eulex | Azar, umh... that has nothing to do with it |
| 17:52.17 | Azar | aptitude is said to watch better a system installations |
| 17:52.19 | stew | elessar7x: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 17:52.50 | elessar7x | 2.6.15 |
| 17:53.07 | elessar7x | i compiled it |
| 17:53.13 | stew | using an initrd? |
| 17:53.26 | elessar7x | I don't quite remember |
| 17:53.39 | Eulex | EricL, do you use ide, sata or scsi for the root fs on the box? |
| 17:53.46 | stew | elessar7x: there is a bug in yaird that causes ide_generic to load before your specific ide driver which makes it impossible to enable dma |
| 17:53.48 | elessar7x | but I selected things that are relevant to DMA |
| 17:53.48 | EricL | ide |
| 17:54.15 | Eulex | elessar7x, very likely a pebkac then. get a kernel image. if it still doesn't work, come back here. |
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| 17:54.37 | stew | elessar7x: "lsmod | grep ide_generic" does that return anything? |
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| 17:54.44 | stew | Eulex: i'll bet its a yaird bug |
| 17:54.44 | chugga | is it possible to use apt-get to rebuild a package so that it has readline support |
| 17:54.56 | elessar7x | it does not |
| 17:55.04 | stew | chugga: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 17:55.28 | slept | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.39 | elessar7x | 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DBM (ICH4) Ultra ATA Storage Contro ller (rev 01) |
| 17:55.47 | elessar7x | this is what I got from lspci |
| 17:55.49 | stew | elessar7x: ok i dunno then |
| 17:56.23 | Azar | EricL I wonder what is a 2.6.15kernel has over a 2.6.8 one |
| 17:56.33 | Eulex | EricL, dunno then. you could try getting the .deb of the 2.6.12 kernel in testing and the dpkg -i it (it will install very well on a sarge system, as a sarge system has all dependencies that are needed for it) from packages.debian.org |
| 17:56.39 | EricL | Azar: Check out the changelog. |
| 17:56.50 | Azar | EricL, ok |
| 17:57.19 | Eulex | EricL, hmm, that got a bit messy, but I guess you understood... |
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| 17:57.40 | EricL | Eulex: Yep, I gotchya. Lemme give that a try and see what happens |
| 17:58.06 | elessar7x | eulex, which kernel image do you recommend then ? |
| 17:58.10 | diana | Anyone have a good link with examples for cdrecord(ie the popular ones...like burning a music cd, or data cd, or burning an image)? |
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| 17:58.22 | hornhead | diana: let me know if you find out |
| 17:59.21 | Azar | diana, Id go google, it has tons of links |
| 17:59.23 | cahoot | diana: http://linux.sgms-centre.com/howto/cdwriting.php |
| 17:59.29 | Eulex | elessar7x, if you can run the stable 2.6.8 kernel, then do that. otherwise try the 2.6.12 kernel from testing. if none of those doesn't work, *then* it's time to try to compile |
| 17:59.52 | Woody^working | I got two file with names in them. Some are written in both, some not. How can I find out with one is only in one ? |
| 18:00.04 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 18:00.06 | Woody^working | s/with/witch/ |
| 18:00.20 | elessar7x | all right thx |
| 18:00.30 | Woody^working | apt: What do you mean ? |
| 18:00.33 | apt | I mean what I mean! |
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| 18:00.38 | Azar | that question sounds interesting |
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| 18:00.43 | inetd | any good desktop screenshots? |
| 18:00.46 | abrotman | Woody^working: ignore the bot |
| 18:00.56 | Woody^working | ^^ I just wondered :-) |
| 18:01.06 | abrotman | Woody^working: sort and uniq |
| 18:01.19 | Woody^working | diff only does it with lines in the right .... |
| 18:01.30 | sondre | I'm copying films and music from my hd to a mp3-player. The speed varies from 0 kb to 3 mb. What can be wrong? |
| 18:01.34 | Woody^working | Hm, can you give me a hint. |
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| 18:01.41 | abrotman | cat file1 file2 | sort | uniq .. or something like that |
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| 18:01.53 | Woody^working | uniq only used one input file |
| 18:01.58 | Azar | inetd you can use any image you have, I use Myst and Raven |
| 18:02.22 | inetd | Azar: got web links? |
| 18:02.30 | Azar | inetd, they closed down but let me see if I can find mirrors |
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| 18:02.53 | Eulex | Woody^working, man uniq. and try uniq -u |
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| 18:03.56 | Woody^working | I got it, thanks |
| 18:03.58 | abrotman | Woody^working: i just told you how |
| 18:04.18 | Woody^working | Oh, yeah, I was again working on tty :-) |
| 18:04.19 | sondre | how can i controll or stabilize the transfer speed to my usb (mp3player)? It varies from 0kb to 4 mb |
| 18:04.29 | Woody^working | abrotman, eulex: thx for help |
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| 18:05.37 | cleatonn | if i uses debian amd64, do i need to download ati x86_64 grafic drivers? |
| 18:05.39 | Azar | inetd, http://mystworlds.ubi.com/us/screensaver_myst4.php good luck check the links on the bottom of the page, but most closed down |
| 18:05.53 | abrotman | cleatonn: well .. probably :) |
| 18:05.59 | abrotman | graphic |
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| 18:06.34 | Eulex | cleatonn, yes, if you're on a pre-9200 (I think) and you want 3d acceleration |
| 18:07.02 | abrotman | pre9200 should be in xorg already |
| 18:07.03 | Eulex | cleatonn, umh... reverse that... if you're on a radeon *newer* than 9200 |
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| 18:07.38 | Eulex | abrotman, yeah, sorry. I'm just confusing myself. |
| 18:07.41 | cleatonn | ok, got x800gto^2 |
| 18:07.41 | abrotman | it's acutally 9250+ iirc |
| 18:07.51 | abrotman | or rather .. anyhting higher than 9250 |
| 18:08.12 | Azar | inetd, try googling for terragen as well.. |
| 18:08.19 | Eulex | cleatonn, if you want 3d acceleration, then you need the binary fglrx driver from ati. |
| 18:08.36 | cleatonn | ok |
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| 18:09.02 | cleatonn | i still have problems with entering start x |
| 18:09.22 | Eulex | !ati drivers |
| 18:09.22 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 18:09.28 | Eulex | cleatonn, checked the X log? |
| 18:09.42 | cleatonn | no |
| 18:10.12 | Eulex | Azar, terragen is windows software iirc. will probably run well in wine though. |
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| 18:10.29 | Eulex | cleatonn, xfree86 or xorg? |
| 18:10.37 | cleatonn | xfree86 |
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| 18:11.01 | msplays | I am needing help filling in the fields of Synaptic Repositories for distribution and sections. I want testing and I know the uri... but that is it... |
| 18:11.04 | Eulex | cleatonn, /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 18:11.29 | cleatonn | Eulex, and what to look for there? |
| 18:11.37 | Azar | Eulex, right, my bad I did not noticed at first |
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| 18:12.01 | Eulex | cleatonn, (EE) |
| 18:12.09 | cleatonn | k, brb |
| 18:12.13 | Eulex | cleatonn, if you don't find any of those, look for (WW) |
| 18:12.30 | doublehp_ | how to install aboot on x86 in order to get AT LEAST the man page ? |
| 18:12.42 | abrotman | man page for what? |
| 18:12.53 | abrotman | oh .. aboot .. sorry |
| 18:13.04 | Azar | inetd I found what you need: http://www.cyanworlds.com/games/myst5_gallery.php |
| 18:13.06 | abrotman | doublehp_: there's no x86 package? |
| 18:13.35 | abrotman | doublehp_: you could .. manually download the package .. then extract it .. then either put the man page where it belongs .. or read it with .. nroff(IIRC) |
| 18:13.39 | juice` | whats the difference between debian-amd64 and debian-pure64 ? |
| 18:13.47 | doublehp_ | abrotman: they dont provide man pages ... (apted aboot-base aboot-cross) |
| 18:13.54 | inetd | Azar: cheers buddy |
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| 18:14.07 | T`Amat | does the VM have a more detailed log kept on the drive? |
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| 18:14.32 | Eulex | doublehp_, dpkg -L pkgname to see if they provide any man page and if they do, what names they have |
| 18:14.54 | Eulex | T`Amat, what VM? |
| 18:14.56 | stew | abrotman: i think "man ./manpage.1.gz" works as well |
| 18:15.13 | abrotman | doublehp_: you're saying the aboot package has no man page in the package? |
| 18:15.16 | T`Amat | I'm getting a GPF while running a perl script in Debian |
| 18:15.38 | T`Amat | & I'm assuming it's the default that installed withthe 3.1 package |
| 18:15.43 | Eulex | !gpf |
| 18:15.44 | dpkg | it has been said that gpf is what windows is based aroundgeneral protection fault |
| 18:16.00 | doublehp_ | abrotman: I did not find "aboot" package but only aboot-base aboot-cross |
| 18:16.17 | abrotman | those are the ones that dpkg says are there .. |
| 18:16.23 | EricL | Eulex: You're the man. |
| 18:16.28 | abrotman | though .. maybe dpkg only references x86 ? |
| 18:16.53 | T`Amat | _alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gpf=0x1d2/0) |
| 18:16.56 | abrotman | doublehp_: what about the README files ? |
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| 18:17.08 | jjazz | EricL: it worked? |
| 18:17.09 | Eulex | EricL, I am? did the stock 2.6.12 kernel work? :) |
| 18:17.32 | EricL | Well, I have like 8000 other errors now, but it finally booted past that other spot. |
| 18:17.41 | jjazz | That's awesome. Congrats. |
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| 18:17.54 | EricL | Init won't run now, but at least it gets to the drive. |
| 18:17.56 | doublehp_ | abrotman: quiet small ... |
| 18:18.16 | cleatonn | Eulex, i got some (WW) and one (EE) |
| 18:18.25 | doublehp_ | abrotman: did you ever used aboot ? |
| 18:18.28 | abrotman | doublehp_: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=man+aboot&btnG=Google+Search |
| 18:18.33 | abrotman | doublehp_: i have alphas |
| 18:18.42 | cleatonn | (EE) no devices found |
| 18:18.47 | cees | hi, In which folder samba mounts windows volumes? |
| 18:19.18 | cisoxx | Hello, I am trying to create a debian repository and am new to gnupg and such. I signed my Release files with gnupg and I added my key on the remote machine with apt-key, but I get an error saying something about a conflicting distribution |
| 18:19.23 | cees | hi |
| 18:19.25 | abrotman | !find man8/aboot |
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| 18:19.29 | doublehp_ | abrotman: can I /msg you ? or can you join gentoo or debian #<dist>-alpha ? |
| 18:19.29 | Woody^working | Can I use dpkg-set-selection file |
| 18:19.31 | maarten | woei |
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| 18:19.42 | abrotman | doublehp_: /msg is fine |
| 18:19.42 | Woody^working | or does it work: dpkg-set-selection < file |
| 18:19.59 | Woody^working | man dpkg doesn't say to well |
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| 18:20.00 | pack | has anyone seen weirdness with the 2.4 kernel from unstable and pcmcia drivers? specificaly pc104+ to pcmcia adaptors |
| 18:20.24 | maarten | :\ |
| 18:20.28 | Woody^working | pack: I had some pcmcia probs with 2.4, but I don't have them any more with 2.6 |
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| 18:20.58 | pack | Woody^working: yeah we aren't able to update to 2.6 yet, some can driver that we don't have source for. |
| 18:20.59 | maarten | no idea, been ages since I've used 2.4, used 2.6 since 2.6.1 :/ |
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| 18:21.38 | Eulex | cleatonn, what X driver are you trying to use? |
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| 18:21.54 | Woody^working | pack: I solved one bug by myself. Maybe you should try that if you have some experience ^^ |
| 18:22.02 | stew | cisoxx: you might try asking on #debian-mentors |
| 18:22.15 | cisoxx | stew, Okay, thanks |
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| 18:23.56 | Woody^working | Does anybody used "dpkg --set-selections" before ? |
| 18:24.17 | stew | Woody^working: sure |
| 18:24.24 | Woody^working | stew: Great |
| 18:24.38 | stew | thanks for asking |
| 18:24.48 | Woody^working | Do I have to do "dpkg --set-selections > file" or "dpkg --set-selections file" |
| 18:24.52 | cleatonn | Eulex, problem fixed |
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| 18:24.59 | Woody^working | sorry |
| 18:25.03 | Eulex | cleatonn, heh, ok. what was the solution? |
| 18:25.07 | Woody^working | "dpkg --set-selections < file" |
| 18:25.10 | stew | Woody^working: /msg dpkg selections |
| 18:25.12 | stew | Woody^working: that one |
| 18:25.19 | cleatonn | changed to valsa from ati |
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| 18:27.11 | WoodyWoodpecker | stew: thanks |
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| 18:27.53 | cleatonn | how to uninstall gnome that comes with desktop? apt-get remove gnome? |
| 18:28.06 | xored | how to show/check the current print-spool ? |
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| 18:28.27 | cahoot | lpq |
| 18:29.20 | afabian | let me guess. mouse needed to be moved over 1/2". |
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| 18:29.43 | afabian | oh, nope. context makes all the difference. |
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| 18:29.47 | spotted | Hello |
| 18:29.52 | spotted | I'm having a problem with a term... |
| 18:30.07 | cusco | which |
| 18:30.19 | cusco | which term? |
| 18:30.25 | spotted | the fonts are black and big |
| 18:30.29 | spotted | aterm |
| 18:30.51 | cusco | never used thta |
| 18:30.55 | spotted | I want them small and white... I set -bg black -fg white |
| 18:31.05 | spotted | but I still have this issue :\ |
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| 18:32.45 | cleatonn | is there a kde 3.5 package? |
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| 18:33.17 | AndroFlux | spotted: So you want white text on black background, and you're getting the inverse, correct? |
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| 18:34.19 | carbon60 | A just created a couple more partitions (IDE) on a box (sarge), which seems to be running udev and has no hda devices past partition/minor 5. How do I get those created? |
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| 18:34.28 | abrotman | cleatonn: #debian-kde may know |
| 18:34.37 | Dog-Boy | aterm -bg black -fg white |
| 18:34.50 | cleatonn | abrotman, okä |
| 18:35.27 | jair | guys I am using the scp now |
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| 18:35.57 | jair | but how could I make the other user just be able to delete or see his files not other users's files |
| 18:36.00 | jair | in linux |
| 18:36.09 | jair | I am working probably with chmod |
| 18:36.27 | Shadowcat | cleatonn: what kind of question is that? |
| 18:37.19 | jair | I see why drwxrwxrwx 32 steve steve 4096 2006-01-11 12:20 steve |
| 18:37.30 | Eulex | cleatonn, 3.5 is in unstable. don't try to get it from there unless you have super cow powers. |
| 18:37.38 | jair | this guys have in his directories that everybody can do anything with it |
| 18:37.42 | jair | create delete |
| 18:37.43 | jair | etc.. |
| 18:37.50 | Shadowcat | next question: "How do I upgrade to unstable" |
| 18:38.01 | abrotman | duh .. you gave him DOS-style security |
| 18:38.01 | jair | so I have to change it to: drwxr-xr-x |
| 18:38.03 | Shadowcat | jair: chmod -R 700 <path> |
| 18:38.14 | xored | how to reset the printer spool ? |
| 18:38.19 | Eulex | cleatonn, that is, know how to deal with package breakages. |
| 18:38.31 | xored | how to reset the printer sppol or delete a specific job ? |
| 18:38.33 | Shadowcat | Eulex: 100 SEK says he doesn't |
| 18:38.45 | bbrazil | xored: lprm |
| 18:39.07 | jair | Shad0wcat, what about if I want that the user "steve" only have rwx in his /home/steve and not able to see anything else in the unix system? |
| 18:39.18 | bbrazil | jair: chroot |
| 18:39.23 | Eulex | Shad0wcat, well, as he didn't know how to find out if/where kde 3.5 was... |
| 18:39.23 | jair | Shad0wcat, unless it su - to root |
| 18:39.24 | Shadowcat | jair: that isn't possible |
| 18:39.36 | Shadowcat | because you need read access in certain places to be able to login |
| 18:39.38 | jair | Shad0wcat, really? |
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| 18:39.56 | Shadowcat | jair: jeez how is he supposed to login if he can't access /bin/sh |
| 18:40.01 | Shadowcat | think |
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| 18:40.09 | jair | Shad0wcat, it is true |
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| 18:40.23 | cleatonn | Eulex, oh then i wont |
| 18:40.32 | Eulex | cleatonn, ok. good. |
| 18:40.36 | jair | Shad0wcat, but at least to prevent delete other user's directories or files |
| 18:40.39 | jair | archives? |
| 18:40.46 | Shadowcat | jair: man chmod |
| 18:40.47 | Shadowcat | go read |
| 18:40.59 | Shadowcat | I'm not gonna tutor you in the usage of linux file permissions |
| 18:41.04 | cleatonn | what difference will it be if i use a kde amd64 or orginal? |
| 18:41.20 | Shadowcat | cleatonn: why are you using amd64 to begin with? |
| 18:41.23 | xored | bbrazil: thank oyu |
| 18:41.28 | jair | Shad0wcat, ok at least where I can read about it? |
| 18:41.34 | jair | any book? |
| 18:41.40 | jair | gnu/linux bible? |
| 18:41.45 | Shadowcat | jair: start by reading what WE TYPE IN HERE |
| 18:41.51 | Shadowcat | I already told you where you could read about it |
| 18:41.51 | jair | ohh ok |
| 18:41.52 | stew | !wikifaq jair Permissions |
| 18:41.52 | dpkg | jair: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 18:42.04 | jair | stew, thank you ;) |
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| 18:42.06 | AndroFlux | jair: google "unix permissions" |
| 18:42.08 | cleatonn | Shad0wcat, got a opteron and wants to trie |
| 18:42.12 | jair | AndroFlux, ok |
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| 18:42.25 | Shadowcat | cleatonn: well obviously you aren't fluent enough to run the amd64 build |
| 18:43.44 | cleatonn | Shad0wcat, well i do if i screw up i just format no worries |
| 18:43.48 | stew | cleatonn: there should not be big differences between using amd64 vs i386, there are a few packages which don't yet compile on amd64, but i haven't run across many |
| 18:44.09 | Shadowcat | a few packages? |
| 18:44.14 | xored | 3 ringer für einen netten 5on5 freundschaftskrieg. Am besten jetzt ;) |
| 18:44.17 | maarten | hm, I'm still not sure wether to build a custom kernel or not :/ |
| 18:44.21 | Shadowcat | lots of stuff doesn't compile in amd64 |
| 18:44.22 | abrotman | xored: bless you |
| 18:44.24 | jair | how could I fix this: drwxrwxrwx 32 steve steve 4096 2006-01-11 12:20 steve to 700 |
| 18:44.28 | xored | sorry |
| 18:44.33 | l00pd33 | hmm, any way to convert a avi to swf in linux if anyone knows? |
| 18:44.33 | xored | what the hell |
| 18:44.39 | Shadowcat | jair: go read the darn page |
| 18:44.42 | jair | I try chmod -R /home/steve and did not work |
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| 18:44.44 | Shadowcat | I already told you once |
| 18:44.48 | Shadowcat | I'm not gonna tell you again |
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| 18:44.54 | albo | how can i use the find program to get files > 5MB |
| 18:45.05 | l00pd33 | lol |
| 18:45.06 | maarten | find -size 5000 |
| 18:45.08 | maarten | or something |
| 18:45.09 | abrotman | albo: man find |
| 18:45.10 | maarten | read manpage :P |
| 18:45.22 | abrotman | albo: it's pretty clearly stated in the man page |
| 18:45.26 | Shadowcat | you know I don't see why people can't freaking read around here |
| 18:45.29 | jair | Shad0wcat, I tryied the chmod -R <path> and I got alot of -> chmod: changing permissions of `/home/steve/php/logo_linux/onh_logo.jpg': Operation not permitted |
| 18:45.35 | abrotman | Shadowcat: what'd you say? |
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| 18:45.42 | Shadowcat | jair: you need to be root (duh) |
| 18:45.43 | eeyore- | we need more .mp3 instructions |
| 18:45.47 | jair | hahaha |
| 18:45.51 | stew | jair: you really need to read the chmod manpage or the wiki page again |
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| 18:45.58 | jair | Shad0wcat, you can slap me ;) |
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| 18:46.07 | Shadowcat | stew: actually I'm beginning to think jair needs a windows xp install cd |
| 18:46.08 | eeyore- | next year we'll be doing "mpg321 chmod.mp3" |
| 18:46.13 | jair | stew, sorry it was my faults |
| 18:46.15 | Shadowcat | obviously he isn't skilled enough to run Linux |
| 18:46.17 | albo | abrotman: no you are wrong. and i have the answer. so let it be known |
| 18:46.26 | abrotman | i'm wrong? |
| 18:46.29 | trexis | sorry can i speack italin?? |
| 18:46.37 | maarten | Shad0wcat: <shrug> wasn't skilled enough to linux when i started too ;) |
| 18:46.37 | stew | !it |
| 18:46.38 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:46.39 | eeyore- | trexis: no, try latin |
| 18:46.39 | abrotman | well .. except -size 5000 won't work .. but have a great day |
| 18:46.41 | trexis | i need help for a skystar2?? |
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| 18:46.57 | albo | abrotman:except i didnt type that... |
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| 18:47.08 | abrotman | so .. you read the man page? |
| 18:47.09 | jair | I mean I never will get a win xp |
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| 18:47.21 | jair | I am doing it |
| 18:47.22 | Shadowcat | jair: then stop being stupid |
| 18:47.25 | jair | ok |
| 18:47.27 | jair | sorry |
| 18:47.29 | jair | ;) |
| 18:47.38 | Shadowcat | ok that's the last time I help you jair |
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| 18:47.49 | Shadowcat | next time you want help go bug someone else |
| 18:47.55 | albo | abrotman: yes. and the +n syntax really is quite far from the definition of the -size. moreover it was luck in my opinion that -size +5M worked |
| 18:48.01 | trexis | did you install skystar on ubuntu ?? |
| 18:48.02 | EricL | Eulex: Alright, ever see "get_console_fs: No such file or directory failed." |
| 18:48.08 | EricL | s/fs/fd/ |
| 18:48.12 | trexis | i need help |
| 18:48.15 | abrotman | albo: i just told you to read the man page .. i know it tells you how to do it .. |
| 18:48.17 | Shadowcat | !need |
| 18:48.17 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. you do need beer, though. |
| 18:48.30 | abrotman | trexis: #ubuntu please |
| 18:48.36 | trexis | thanks |
| 18:48.49 | jair | Shad0wcat, ok, Dankeshon ;) |
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| 18:49.03 | albo | abrotman: you're pushing the manpage even after i found a working solution. fix yourself |
| 18:49.29 | abrotman | albo: had you read the man page to start with .. you wouldn't come in here asking easily answered questions |
| 18:49.31 | Eulex | EricL, sorry, but no. |
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| 18:49.44 | albo | abrotman: i had read it to start with. again stop assuming |
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| 18:49.56 | abrotman | albo: then your comprehension skills are lacking |
| 18:50.04 | Shadowcat | albo: then maybe you need to redo elementary school |
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| 18:50.08 | jeld | hello all |
| 18:50.13 | EricL | That's the error I am stuck on now. As a result of that, it can seem to find /dev/tty1 |
| 18:50.15 | albo | abrotman: nope. im right and you're wrong. |
| 18:50.26 | abrotman | albo: because you read the man page and found the answer .. i'm somehow wrong? |
| 18:50.29 | jeld | how do I go about compiling a 386 kernel on a IA64 system? |
| 18:50.35 | abrotman | apparently your logic skills are lacking too |
| 18:50.47 | abrotman | jeld: you have to set up a cross compiler |
| 18:50.50 | Shadowcat | jeld: compiler flags with gcc, check the gcc documentation |
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| 18:51.08 | albo | abrotman: you're being an ass. calm the fuck down |
| 18:51.08 | Shadowcat | abrotman: I believe gcc has a flag for it, can't remember what it is though |
| 18:51.21 | Shadowcat | albo: yet you're the one resorting to swearing |
| 18:51.25 | abrotman | albo: i am? .. you can't read the man page? .. and it's my fault? |
| 18:52.31 | SimonRaven | ffs, Shadowcat tells you 'go back to elementary school' and you call out abrotman? sheesh |
| 18:52.46 | Shadowcat | SimonRaven: I find that comical too |
| 18:52.52 | abrotman | SimonRaven: perhaps he misread .. seems a common problem for him :) |
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| 18:53.04 | SimonRaven | abrotman: yeh ;) |
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| 18:53.33 | abrotman | just wait .. ljlane will come ban someone in a bit too :) |
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| 18:54.59 | cleatonn | how to uninstall gnome? |
| 18:55.08 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 18:55.08 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
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| 18:55.28 | Shadowcat | ouch |
| 18:55.34 | Shadowcat | that's one hell of a purge |
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| 18:55.53 | nixxie | are there any important differences between using initramfs and initrd for pre-boot enviroinment? |
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| 18:56.51 | eeyore- | nixxie: aren't they the same thing? |
| 18:57.21 | abrotman | Shadowcat: the -common will probably take the other |
| 18:57.40 | abrotman | oh .. guess not |
| 18:57.41 | abrotman | oh well |
| 18:57.44 | nixxie | eeyore-, thats what i think too. just wondering. using initrd atm |
| 18:57.54 | Shadowcat | abrotman: actually it's similar to the method I use for removing kde. I just purge kde4libs |
| 18:58.07 | astronut | nixxie: initramfs generates an initrd image |
| 18:58.08 | abrotman | wouldn't it be easier to fix the darn bootloaders than much with initrd? |
| 18:58.10 | abrotman | !remove kde |
| 18:58.11 | dpkg | i heard remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 18:58.28 | Shadowcat | hmm |
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| 18:58.35 | eeyore- | what's wrong with the boot loaders? |
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| 18:58.55 | Shadowcat | initrd == evil |
| 18:58.56 | abrotman | eeyore-: why can't they load one humongous kernel |
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| 18:59.16 | Azar | :) |
| 18:59.19 | eeyore- | abrotman: real mode |
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| 18:59.22 | abrotman | eeyore-: if you statically compile all the modules in .. it's too large for grub/lilo afaik |
| 18:59.27 | nixxie | astro: but in kernel menuconfig, there's a initramfs parameter under general. i dont see how that differs from using initrd, maybe in terms of max filesize or something |
| 18:59.38 | abrotman | admittedly. . i've not tried to do that in some time |
| 18:59.41 | Shadowcat | abrotman: if you compile all the modules into the kernel you're a bloody idiot |
| 18:59.50 | abrotman | Shadowcat: that's not the point! :) |
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| 19:00.15 | eeyore- | abrotman: by the time you include code in the boot loader to switch to protected mode you'd have a good chunk of the kernel's initialization code |
| 19:00.26 | Shadowcat | I mean the point is to get a lean and mean kernel, if I wanted bloatware I'd just run the stock kernel :P |
| 19:00.53 | abrotman | eeyore-: i meant more than you have to mess around with initrd to get a large number of drivers |
| 19:01.00 | abrotman | err s/than/that |
| 19:01.06 | abrotman | ApT: don't damn do it |
| 19:01.25 | abrotman | s/ // |
| 19:01.28 | abrotman | s/ //g |
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| 19:02.08 | nixxie | hrmbl. so, i compile a 2.6.15 kernel. i make an initrd with mkinitrd. but why the hell is it complaining about devfs when i boot it? devfs is gone, isnt it? |
| 19:02.28 | Shadowcat | nixxie: again why do you need an initrd? |
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| 19:02.51 | Shadowcat | unless you're making an installation kernel you don't need an initrd |
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| 19:03.07 | nixxie | shadowcat: usb stick with a debian install to support installation on various servers. e.g. an USB replacement for Debian from Scratch. |
| 19:03.24 | Shadowcat | ah |
| 19:03.29 | Shadowcat | good luck |
| 19:03.35 | nixxie | so, yes, i'm making an installation kernel, but it seems the init script in initrd-tools package (testing) still refers to devfs. |
| 19:03.38 | Shadowcat | you're gonna need that |
| 19:03.47 | stew | nixxie: which kernel are you compiling? |
| 19:03.59 | nixxie | 2.6.15. i need at least 2.6.14.x for my raid controller anyway |
| 19:04.05 | Azar | Shadowcat, what is initrd? I noticed it pops when you go up from the 2.4 to 2.6.. |
| 19:04.17 | Shadowcat | !initrd |
| 19:04.17 | dpkg | initrd is, like, initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 19:04.31 | stew | nixxie: i'd suggest using initramfs-tools, the other choice is yaird, which has proven to be buggy for me |
| 19:04.34 | nixxie | but initrd-tools is bit tge way to go for kernels without devfs i guess. |
| 19:04.51 | dvm1981 | How i verify that my 3D works, is there a little game on Debian so that i can test. With 'planet-pinguin racer' the 3D does not work i think, to many chocks |
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| 19:05.06 | Azar | thanks :) |
| 19:05.13 | nixxie | stew: initramfs to make a standard initrd file? or the one that is specified in the kernel config? |
| 19:05.15 | Shadowcat | dvm1981: install Quake 3 for Linux? |
| 19:05.34 | bobbens | dvm1981: "glxinfo | grep direct" what does that give you? |
| 19:05.47 | dvm1981 | Shadowcat : Thx, i look in synaptic |
| 19:06.15 | streuner | bobbens: how do you get the idea that 3D works for you? :-) |
| 19:06.29 | dvm1981 | direct rendering: No |
| 19:06.29 | dvm1981 | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 19:06.39 | dvm1981 | bobbens : |
| 19:06.40 | bobbens | doesn't look like you have 3d |
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| 19:06.47 | stew | nixxie: it creates a cpio initramfs |
| 19:07.02 | dvm1981 | :-( |
| 19:07.17 | Dog-Boy | can anyone recommend a good debian book? been using mandrake for a few years so i'm not a complete idiot, but i need to get up to speed pretty quickly |
| 19:07.20 | dvm1981 | i have followed the instructions http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html#configure |
| 19:07.23 | Dog-Boy | tia |
| 19:07.24 | bobbens | streuner: btw it does work on the r300 chipset, but some documents included in the 6.9 tree were seriously outdated and confused me. The r300 driver is not in the main tree though |
| 19:07.35 | stew | Dog-Boy: /msg dpkg reference |
| 19:07.46 | dvm1981 | My second monitor also run now, so :-0 |
| 19:07.49 | Shadowcat | Dog-Boy: using mandrake is the definition of being an idiot :P |
| 19:07.58 | stew | Dog-Boy: if you want dead tree: http://debian.org/doc/books |
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| 19:08.03 | Dog-Boy | lol, thanks shadowcat |
| 19:08.10 | streuner | bobbens: i saw a patch for 6.8.9 |
| 19:08.29 | bobbens | streuner: in the repositories? or cvs? |
| 19:08.30 | Dog-Boy | ya, saw those, thought maybe someone might prefer one to the others |
| 19:08.46 | dvm1981 | I would like to split these two monitors in two, but seems that 3D not work so first 3D |
| 19:09.14 | streuner | bobbens: http://r300.sourceforge.net/R300.php |
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| 19:09.43 | bobbens | streuner: Development has moved to Mesa/DRM and X.org CVS trees, this site may be out of date. |
| 19:10.04 | bobbens | if you look at the cvs commits, there haven't been any in 7 months |
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| 19:10.34 | stew | !r300 is a family of cards from ati: http://r300.sourceforge.net/R300.php |
| 19:10.35 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 19:10.37 | streuner | bobbens: so it should be in 6.9 |
| 19:10.50 | streuner | bobbens: gravity should know more about |
| 19:11.02 | stew | !forget r300 |
| 19:11.02 | dpkg | i forgot r300, stew |
| 19:11.05 | bobbens | streuner: yeah, but as i'm saying, it's not in the main branch. Therefore debain doesn't have it. |
| 19:11.05 | dvm1981 | I have some troubles to active the 3D of my ATI Readon 9600 video card. Do not where to begin to troubleshout. |
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| 19:11.38 | bobbens | streuner: i'd have to compile mesa/drm to get it working |
| 19:11.41 | _keroppi_ | I want to use the functions defined in some of the header files in the xorg source code, in here: xorg-server-1.0.0/hw/xfree86/parser ; Is there a way to find out if they're compiled into a static or dynamic library? |
| 19:11.46 | DeviX | to install grub to /boot partition I just have to do 'grub-install /dev/hdXX'? |
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| 19:13.46 | Silent_al | is it possible to resize the /home partition using gparted without unmouting it? |
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| 19:14.04 | maarten | ... no? |
| 19:14.08 | stew | DeviX: no, read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
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| 19:14.36 | starfishy | resizing of a partition without unmounting it is a recipe for disaster |
| 19:14.41 | starfishy | if the tool lets you do it |
| 19:14.42 | DeviX | can grub read more than 128GiB if my BIOS cant? |
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| 19:14.47 | starfishy | never tried whether it does |
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| 19:14.59 | maarten | it's a deathwish anyway :/ |
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| 19:15.30 | stew | DeviX: grub's only way of talking to the hard disk is via the bios, so no |
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| 19:15.33 | starfishy | devix: if you mean, can I use disks with more than 128GB? |
| 19:15.34 | starfishy | yes. |
| 19:15.56 | stew | starfishy: no |
| 19:16.05 | Silent_al | starfishy , so the only way i can resize it , is using partition magic in windows ? |
| 19:16.18 | starfishy | silent_al: no. |
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| 19:16.26 | starfishy | go to single user mode, unmount /home |
| 19:16.31 | starfishy | and resize the partition |
| 19:16.38 | DeviX | starfishy: my os is aint below 128 so it wont probably boot then |
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| 19:16.57 | abrotman | starfishy: you can't use more than 138GB .. the drive will work .. but won't address anymore than that afaik |
| 19:17.21 | starfishy | that would surprise me, once the kernel is loaded |
| 19:17.33 | starfishy | the kernel AFAIK doesnt worry about the BIOS settings |
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| 19:17.41 | starfishy | never tried it though i have to admit |
| 19:17.54 | abrotman | starfishy: well .. try it .. let us know |
| 19:18.02 | abrotman | there's also an old kernel limitation |
| 19:18.17 | abrotman | 48bit addressing sucks :) |
| 19:18.17 | starfishy | the kernel itself and the stage 2 and menu.lst files must be below the 1024 cylinder mark though |
| 19:18.20 | Silent_al | starfishy, can i start x in single user mode? |
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| 19:18.31 | hid3 | Could anyone give me and advice please? What kind of machne (cpu/ram) do I need to shape for about 2100 users with debian and HTB? |
| 19:18.37 | starfishy | why would you want to start x in single user mode? |
| 19:18.45 | starfishy | but technically you should be able to |
| 19:19.02 | rever | Hi I am trying to install udev via apt-get but I keep getting an error http://pastebin.com/501252 |
| 19:19.03 | starfishy | not as user though when the home directories are unmounted |
| 19:19.09 | stew | hid3: how fast is the connection? |
| 19:19.15 | starfishy | ;) |
| 19:19.19 | hid3 | stew: it is 100 mbps. |
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| 19:19.57 | rever | I have removed hotplug and did a purge of the files. I have googled the error but I have only found one old post about pinning and old version. I have used both testing and unstable repos. |
| 19:19.58 | stew | hid3: then you need a 586 and 32mb of ram |
| 19:20.01 | Silent_al | starfishy, if i can start X, then i cant use gparted . do u know a nice text based partitioner ? |
| 19:20.17 | Silent_al | cant* |
| 19:20.27 | starfishy | silent_al: download knoppix and use that as a boot cd |
| 19:20.33 | Azar | hid3 I have been successfull with an AMD Sempron 2800+ (seems standard) VIA chipset motherboard and nVidia GeForce MX 4000 or FX series. Ide HD and 512MB RAM. For now I like to keep it simple. |
| 19:20.35 | hid3 | stew: is that realistic to shape for so many users with such a minimal hardware? |
| 19:20.48 | stew | hid3: yes |
| 19:20.48 | starfishy | it gives you a nice UI and all the tools without you having to have mounted _anything_ |
| 19:20.53 | starfishy | other than the CD of course |
| 19:20.58 | Silent_al | starfishy, gotcha , i will use DSL , got it already ^^ |
| 19:20.59 | stew | hid3: add more ram if you want big queues |
| 19:21.03 | hid3 | Azar: how many users do you shape for? |
| 19:21.05 | starfishy | plus knoppix even is on topic here, its debian based |
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| 19:21.11 | stew | hid3: but a 586 can keep up with 100mb |
| 19:21.14 | rever | I have tried apt-get install -f but it did not work. Here is part of the error... dpkg: error processing udev (--configure): |
| 19:21.14 | starfishy | dsl is not, btw |
| 19:21.15 | Azar | hid3 only 2 for now |
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| 19:21.28 | starfishy | but when doing major hdd work its good idea to boot from CD |
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| 19:21.54 | abrotman | starfishy: knoppix is more certainly NOT on topic here |
| 19:22.08 | abrotman | err most certainly |
| 19:22.09 | Silent_al | starfishy, thanx for your help , roger n' out :) |
| 19:22.09 | DeviX | If my bios doesnt support bigger hdds than 128Gib and /boot is at the very beginning and OS is at the very end (after 128) will it boot? |
| 19:22.14 | stew | hid3: shaping takes very little cpu, there are no calculations involved |
| 19:22.14 | starfishy | no? |
| 19:22.21 | starfishy | well, apologies |
| 19:22.26 | sputnik | hey, in debian unstable, is qt3 compiled with qt embedded? |
| 19:22.28 | Azar | hid3, what I got is only a base, you could think around and build on it |
| 19:22.34 | starfishy | i thought that mentioning another debian based distro for recovery work would be |
| 19:22.37 | starfishy | i stand corrected |
| 19:22.42 | abrotman | starfishy: neither is ubuntu or mepis or DSL or knoppix or xandrox or stormix or anything else based on debian |
| 19:22.44 | hid3 | stew: however, doesn't adding lots of classes increase interrupt %? |
| 19:22.52 | starfishy | hm |
| 19:22.53 | nixxie | yayyyyyyy |
| 19:22.54 | starfishy | good to know |
| 19:23.05 | abrotman | and i can't type for shit today |
| 19:23.10 | stew | hid3: no adding classes doesn't increase interrupts, just memory usage |
| 19:23.15 | nixxie | initramfs works. bootable usb sticks with debian. rock! |
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| 19:23.26 | bibe | hi all. is prism54 chipset support fully free? does it need a proprietary firmware? |
| 19:23.34 | stew | bibe: free |
| 19:23.35 | abrotman | bibe: prism54.org |
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| 19:23.58 | bibe | stew, abrotman : thanks |
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| 19:24.20 | bibe | abrotman : it seems that the firmware doesn't come with source |
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| 19:24.24 | nixxie | now what would be the most stable FS on an usb stick? ext3fs is already giving me bull, claiming the superblock last mounttime was in the future. |
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| 19:24.31 | abrotman | bibe: i'm not sure it needs it |
| 19:24.36 | hid3 | Strange then. I had a machine (p4 2.0 GHz) as soon as I started the shaper for such amount of users, idle cpu became 0% and 'ksoftirdq' started consuming all the cpu power.. |
| 19:24.41 | nixxie | probably right, but i dont need that info. |
| 19:24.53 | starfishy | i advise against using ext3 on a memory stick |
| 19:24.55 | JohnnyST | hi how do I force and fsck at next boot I use ext3? |
| 19:25.07 | bibe | abrotman : I've just seen there's a #prism54 channel on freenode... thans very much |
| 19:25.11 | Justin | JohnnyST: man shutdown ? |
| 19:25.11 | starfishy | if you do so at least use the noatime mount option or your stick wont live long |
| 19:25.13 | nixxie | starfishy, which fs do you advise? i've heard JFS to be good for sticks. |
| 19:25.17 | diana | Is k3b not in testing right now? |
| 19:25.23 | SerajewelKS | JohnnyST: unplug the computer while it's on? |
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| 19:25.24 | DeviX | If my bios doesnt support bigger hdds than 128Gib and /boot is at the very beginning and OS is at the very end (after 128) will it boot? |
| 19:25.50 | abrotman | i didn't know that |
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| 19:25.54 | abrotman | !why is k3b not in testing |
| 19:25.55 | dpkg | k3b is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
| 19:25.59 | starfishy | jfs might be your best bet |
| 19:26.07 | abrotman | DeviX: doubtful |
| 19:26.14 | abrotman | DeviX: how will it find it ? |
| 19:26.16 | diana | DeviX: Just update your bios...go to the website of the company that makes your motherboard...and download the bios upgrade and put it on a floppy |
| 19:26.19 | nixxie | but does grub handle jfs... hmmm |
| 19:26.19 | abrotman | jfs? .. wtf |
| 19:26.28 | nixxie | abrotman, USB sticks. |
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| 19:26.42 | abrotman | i'd use something that's not journalling .. but whatever |
| 19:26.43 | DeviX | diana: no updates for it |
| 19:26.50 | abrotman | DeviX: how old is the board? |
| 19:26.58 | SerajewelKS | JohnnyST: or you can try something like: tune2fs -C 1000 /dev/xxx |
| 19:27.02 | nixxie | abrot: ext2? |
| 19:27.03 | starfishy | if boot is at the very beginning it should boot no problem |
| 19:27.07 | DeviX | abrotman: about 5 years |
| 19:27.22 | starfishy | after the kernel is loaded the BIOS settings should not make a difference |
| 19:27.37 | starfishy | btw, bios upgrades for old mainboards often are not available |
| 19:27.54 | SerajewelKS | JohnnyST: or 'shutdown -Fr now' |
| 19:28.00 | SerajewelKS | JohnnyST: pick your poison =P |
| 19:28.03 | starfishy | again: i havent tried it but in theory it should work |
| 19:28.08 | stew | starfishy: how is the kernel going to talk to portions of a hard drive that the bios cannot access? |
| 19:28.17 | abrotman | nixxie: ext2/vfat .. of course any FS will suffer if you remove the stick without unmounting |
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| 19:28.28 | JohnnyST | SerajewelKS, thanks. |
| 19:28.30 | vosti | ahah, 100 anni di lsd |
| 19:28.32 | abrotman | starfishy: are you stupid? .. are you even reading what he is saying? |
| 19:28.34 | stew | starfishy: the kernel can only talk to the hard drive via the bios |
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| 19:28.49 | starfishy | linux doesnt use int13 AFAIK |
| 19:28.55 | starfishy | the kernel doesnt anyway |
| 19:28.58 | nixxie | abrotman, i'll go with ext2. would hate to run linux on vfat |
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| 19:29.10 | abrotman | it doesn't fucking matter .. god .. shut up .. if you can't read and comprehend .. just stop giving bad advice |
| 19:29.16 | starfishy | stew: are you sure that linux does int13 hdd access? |
| 19:29.23 | starfishy | that would _very_ much surprise me |
| 19:29.45 | abrotman | starfishy: go ask #kernelnewbies .. come back and let us know |
| 19:29.46 | starfishy | not even windows does that because it is dog slow |
| 19:29.56 | pipeline | starfishy: I think the kernel uses int13 routines during its startup routine. |
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| 19:30.13 | pipeline | starfishy: Hence the requirement that /boot be accessible via the BIOS |
| 19:30.21 | starfishy | yes |
| 19:30.25 | starfishy | thats exactly what i said |
| 19:30.30 | nixxie | hmm, can i convert ext3 back to 2 or should i just tar and mkfs |
| 19:30.31 | abrotman | then why the fuck do you keep talking about the kernel? |
| 19:30.39 | pipeline | nixxie: You don't have to convert anything. |
| 19:30.40 | stew | nixxie: /msg dpkg ext3->ext2 |
| 19:30.45 | pipeline | nixxie: ext2 and ext3 use the same on-disk format |
| 19:30.55 | pipeline | nixxie: Just mount it as ext2 instead of ext3 and you're done. |
| 19:30.55 | abrotman | starfishy: if his BIOS can't see past 138GB .. and the bootloader needs to reach past 138GB .. how the fuck do you thikn that's going to work? |
| 19:31.06 | buckwad | 4 |
| 19:31.09 | abrotman | 5 |
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| 19:31.10 | starfishy | abrotman: i said that once the kernel is loaded linux should not have a problem with the 138mb limit |
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| 19:31.20 | abrotman | starfishy: and how does he get the kernel loaded? |
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| 19:31.43 | starfishy | the question of the OP was whether it would boot if /boot is below the 138MB limit and the rest above it |
| 19:31.44 | abrotman | and it's 138GB |
| 19:31.54 | starfishy | and the kernel and everything needed is in /boot |
| 19:31.55 | zvock | dann habe ich verloren |
| 19:32.00 | abrotman | starfishy: he already said it was past 138GB |
| 19:32.01 | starfishy | which is the reason why /boot exists in the first place |
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| 19:32.35 | starfishy | DeviX If my bios doesnt support bigger hdds than 128Gib and /boot is at the very beginning and OS is at the very end (after 128) will it boot? |
| 19:32.41 | starfishy | that was the question i answered |
| 19:32.47 | starfishy | and it should work no problem |
| 19:33.06 | pipeline | starfishy: No, it probably won't. It really depends upon the IDE controller rather than the BIOS itself. |
| 19:33.07 | abrotman | it's 138GB ... for the tenth time |
| 19:33.11 | nixxie | sweet. so i have my kernel with no built-in ide/scsi support, initrd with all usb HCDs, sd_mod and usb-storage and a small 'sleep 8s' to fix the usb mounting delay. think im done :) |
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| 19:33.20 | starfishy | as long as /boot is below both the 1024 cylinder limit and below the 138GB limit (if applicable) |
| 19:33.24 | abrotman | DeviX: you'd probably do better off to ignore starfishy |
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| 19:33.46 | nixxie | Shad0wcat, didnt even finish the coffee :P |
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| 19:34.17 | starfishy | devix: you might be better off just trying it |
| 19:34.22 | starfishy | abrotman: have you ever tried it? |
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| 19:34.41 | DeviX | hmm |
| 19:34.43 | starfishy | and if not, please explain to me why you think that the kernel is unable to access the drive without bios help? |
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| 19:34.59 | starfishy | btw, IDE does _not_ have a 138GB limit, thats a BIOS limitation |
| 19:35.04 | abrotman | starfishy: are you 100% sure the kernel doesn't use the bios? |
| 19:35.17 | starfishy | i am sure it doesnt use the int13h routines for access |
| 19:35.17 | pipeline | starfishy: There are still limitations concerning IDE. |
| 19:35.18 | abrotman | starfishy: it's 48bit addressing .. kernels < 2.4.21 have the same issue iirc |
| 19:35.24 | starfishy | otherwise the drive would be dog slow |
| 19:35.43 | starfishy | yes, kernels below 2.4.21 (which is ~2 years old) have the same limitation |
| 19:35.43 | pipeline | starfishy: If your IDE controller doesn't support it, it doesn't support it, and you'll only be able to address up to the limit, no matter how big the drive is. |
| 19:35.47 | starfishy | but that wasnt the question |
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| 19:35.58 | starfishy | how would an IDE controller not support it? |
| 19:36.05 | starfishy | IDE has no 138GB limitation |
| 19:36.07 | pipeline | starfishy: Jesus you're dense. |
| 19:36.19 | abrotman | pipeline: just damn stupid |
| 19:36.21 | starfishy | if i am so dense I am sure you can enlighten me |
| 19:36.33 | pipeline | starfishy: It does indeed. Older IDE controllers won't support the extended addressing modes, and will detect huge drives as being 127G in size. |
| 19:36.44 | pipeline | starfishy: No matter what software hacks you fool with, you won't be able to address over the limit. |
| 19:36.44 | starfishy | why would the IDE controller not be able to access the drive? |
| 19:37.05 | pipeline | starfishy: If only your BIOS is broken, but your IDE controller is modern, then yes, as long as /boot is within the limitation, it /should/ work, barring other geometry brain damage concerns. |
| 19:37.16 | starfishy | and why is that ( not with 'you are just too stupid, but a technical explanation) |
| 19:37.25 | pipeline | starfishy: I just fucking explained it. |
| 19:37.40 | stew | pipeline: i think you just made starfishy's point |
| 19:37.43 | starfishy | what exactly makes the IDE controller unable to access more than 138GB? |
| 19:37.56 | pipeline | starfishy: Not supporting extended LBA modes. |
| 19:38.09 | starfishy | the ide controller is a very primitive piece of hardware, that doesnt care about drive geometry |
| 19:38.11 | pipeline | As I just mentioned a moment ago. |
| 19:38.14 | starfishy | LBA is a software issue |
| 19:38.16 | starfishy | in the BIOS |
| 19:38.23 | pipeline | Option ROMs are not part of the BIOs. |
| 19:38.26 | pipeline | And it does matter. |
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| 19:38.32 | pipeline | Have fun. |
| 19:38.41 | SimonRaven | BIOS is a crap idea anyway |
| 19:38.45 | starfishy | also, if it really were impossible, why did someone recommend updating the BIOS before? |
| 19:38.57 | starfishy | if the controller was broken a bios update would do nothing |
| 19:39.00 | pipeline | Because we aren't members of a secret society with a guiding central committee. |
| 19:39.01 | abrotman | so the bios could see the whole thing? |
| 19:39.04 | starfishy | Raven: amen |
| 19:39.09 | starfishy | no |
| 19:39.11 | starfishy | the bios cant |
| 19:39.15 | starfishy | but it doesnt have to |
| 19:39.27 | starfishy | because the kernel does not use the BIOS to access the drive |
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| 19:39.41 | pipeline | SimonRaven: Well, given how badly some vendors *COUGH* Apple *COUGH* HP *COUGH* have screwed up some non-BIOS standards *COUGH* OpenFirmware *COUGH* EFI *COUGH* the BIOS starts to not look as bad as it rightfully should :| |
| 19:40.04 | starfishy | well, i dont know about apple but id much prefer to have an Open Boot PROM |
| 19:40.13 | SimonRaven | pipeline: the technical specs are nice :). implmentations suck, i agree |
| 19:40.21 | pipeline | Apple supposedly follows the OpenFirmware specs, but the actual hardware is completely fucked up. |
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| 19:40.25 | SimonRaven | me too |
| 19:40.26 | starfishy | unfortunately thats only available in rather overpriced SPARC hardware |
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| 19:40.32 | abrotman | starfishy: if the bios/bootloader can't find the kernel . it doesn't matter |
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| 19:40.38 | pipeline | Amazing how Sun manages to correctly implement OpenFirmware in every firmware revision, on every system, every time >:( |
| 19:40.41 | nixxie | sorry to break the fight but uhm, what's the name of the ncurses (i think) tool that controls which stuff gets started in the various rcX.d dirs? |
| 19:40.51 | pipeline | nixxie: rc-something, I think |
| 19:40.53 | nixxie | it's like an update-rc.d frontend |
| 19:40.57 | SimonRaven | at least sun did that right. later apple ones are so sucky |
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| 19:41.04 | SimonRaven | aren't |
| 19:41.05 | starfishy | abrotman: for the umpteenth time, thats why /boot (which contains _everything_ you need to get the kernel started) must reside below the 138GB mark |
| 19:41.11 | nixxie | rcconf. got it. |
| 19:41.11 | abrotman | pipeline: sun does everything right .. except licensing |
| 19:41.14 | starfishy | thats the whole reason /boot exists |
| 19:41.22 | pipeline | abrotman: Huh? Sun's licensing is fantastic. |
| 19:41.26 | SimonRaven | what fight? |
| 19:41.29 | abrotman | starfishy: i'm pretty sure he said /boot(or the kernel) was also past 138GB |
| 19:41.31 | pipeline | abrotman: No CPU limits, no user limits, reasonable support contract prices... |
| 19:41.34 | nixxie | SimonRaven, :) |
| 19:41.36 | starfishy | no, he didnt |
| 19:41.37 | eleftherios | nixxie, rcconf |
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| 19:41.39 | starfishy | i quoted it |
| 19:41.40 | abrotman | pipeline: for solaris .. for everything else .. it sucks |
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| 19:41.53 | pipeline | abrotman: Eh, they don't have anything else worthwhile. :) |
| 19:41.55 | starfishy | starfishy DeviX If my bios doesnt support bigger hdds than 128Gib and /boot is at the very beginning and OS is at the very end (after 128) will it boot? |
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| 19:42.05 | abrotman | starfishy: read farther down |
| 19:42.09 | SimonRaven | why is every discussion assumed to be a fight? FFS, people it's called discussion and debate. grow the fuck up |
| 19:42.12 | starfishy | thats my quote of devix's original comment |
| 19:42.16 | diana | I did apt-get install kde...and it installed a buttload of stuff...And I went to remove it... apt-get remove kde...ande it only removed 16kb...how can I apt-get remove kde like when I installed it? |
| 19:42.17 | abrotman | pipeline: that snazzy C++ thingie ! |
| 19:42.20 | pipeline | abrotman: The "Java ES" thing is very reasonably priced, but jesus, why would you WANT it? |
| 19:42.29 | pipeline | abrotman: The "snazzy C++ thingie", as you put it, is now free as in beer. |
| 19:42.30 | starfishy | if the kernel resides beyond 138GB you are SOL |
| 19:42.31 | abrotman | pipeline: was it called .. Forte? .. is that dead yet? |
| 19:42.35 | starfishy | but that was not the question |
| 19:42.42 | abrotman | starfishy: read farther down |
| 19:42.46 | SimonRaven | whatever |
| 19:42.48 | starfishy | quote? |
| 19:42.49 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 19:43.07 | abrotman | i don't feel like it .. |
| 19:43.10 | pipeline | abrotman: Eh, they change the name periodically. Now it's called "Sun Studio," because the IDE happens to run on Linux (but you don't get the snazzy compiler in the linux version) |
| 19:43.15 | abrotman | ah .. so much quieter |
| 19:43.31 | nixxie | rcconf is not it.. theres a better one |
| 19:43.40 | abrotman | pipeline: the Solaris licensing is fine .. for sun hardware .. the CDDL kind of sucks |
| 19:43.48 | SimonRaven | sysvconfig? |
| 19:43.50 | pipeline | abrotman: The CDDL sucks? Jesus, you're too picky. |
| 19:43.59 | pipeline | abrotman: It's a more permissive license than mozilla comes under. Christ. |
| 19:44.00 | abrotman | pipeline: APL all the way! |
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| 19:44.05 | starfishy | why doesnt that plonk surprise me? |
| 19:44.13 | starfishy | devix, you are better off ignoring abrotman |
| 19:44.14 | diana | abrotman: How can I remove kde and everything with kde...like when I installed it? |
| 19:44.19 | nixxie | its sysv-rc-conf |
| 19:44.20 | DeviX | hmm |
| 19:44.22 | abrotman | !remove kde |
| 19:44.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
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| 19:45.08 | SimonRaven | i use file-rc on my b0xen *shrug* |
| 19:45.13 | starfishy | pipeline: im still curious why i am supposedly dense about the IDE controller not being able to read more than 138GB |
| 19:45.13 | EleckttrusS | dpkg, |
| 19:45.24 | nixxie | SimonRaven, should i too? |
| 19:45.34 | nixxie | :) |
| 19:45.35 | starfishy | i dont know of any IDE controller that on the electrical level would be unable to read more than 138GB |
| 19:45.43 | pipeline | starfishy: Believe it or not, the IDE controller has to support LBA. |
| 19:45.54 | starfishy | no, the BIOS has to support LBA |
| 19:45.54 | abrotman | starfishy: just drop it .. unless you'd like pipeline to insult you some more |
| 19:46.00 | starfishy | thats a pure software issue |
| 19:46.04 | pipeline | No, it is not. |
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| 19:46.07 | starfishy | abrotman: i thought you plonked me? |
| 19:46.11 | SimonRaven | nixxie: use what you like |
| 19:46.22 | abrotman | starfishy: it's like a car wreck .. shouldn't look .. can't help it |
| 19:46.28 | starfishy | pipeline: id really like to see a document that says that the IDE standard was changed to extend beyond 138GB |
| 19:46.32 | starfishy | ide is a standard |
| 19:46.43 | starfishy | maybe you should try to use /ignore |
| 19:46.45 | abrotman | luckily more than half implement it correctly :) |
| 19:46.47 | starfishy | there is no car wreck here |
| 19:46.52 | SimonRaven | *cough* barely *cough* |
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| 19:47.20 | SimonRaven | *CRASHBANGBOOMAAAAAAAH* |
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| 19:47.35 | starfishy | abrotman: i have been civil so far |
| 19:47.41 | SimonRaven | gah, that was bright on my screen |
| 19:48.00 | starfishy | why is it that you can't stay civil and explain to me where I supposedly went wrong instead of insulting me? |
| 19:48.13 | starfishy | insulting is lame |
| 19:48.20 | starfishy | thats something for script kiddies |
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| 19:48.36 | nixxie | "jfs works much better with flash rom, it doesn't write over the same area again and again like vfat does." anyone know if that holds any truth? |
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| 19:48.47 | abrotman | starfishy: i didn't insult you other than calling you stupid :) |
| 19:48.52 | pipeline | nixxie: Yes and no |
| 19:48.58 | stew | after reading the large disk HOWTO, i believe starfishy is correct about this |
| 19:49.02 | starfishy | i could do the same to you, but i dont |
| 19:49.09 | pipeline | nixxie: On very old flash cards, there was no automated wear levelling |
| 19:49.12 | stew | http://www.linux.com/howtos/Large-Disk-HOWTO.shtml |
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| 19:49.18 | pipeline | nixxie: On anything made relatively recently, it's no big deal. |
| 19:49.19 | abrotman | stew: about kernel lower than 138GB .. yes .. |
| 19:49.29 | Usiu | is there dbus 0.60 for debian ?? |
| 19:49.30 | nixxie | pipeline, k. i need not worry then. |
| 19:49.30 | starfishy | thats all i ever said |
| 19:49.39 | abrotman | stew: if the bios/bootloader can't see past 138GB .. you can't load a kernel past 138GB |
| 19:49.45 | starfishy | then if you admit i am correct, please explain your insults |
| 19:49.51 | pipeline | Usiu: In experimental. |
| 19:49.55 | starfishy | i have never claimed you can |
| 19:49.57 | pipeline | Usiu: dbus is a dependency nightmare |
| 19:50.13 | starfishy | and always said thats why you keep /boot below the 138GB mark |
| 19:50.35 | pipeline | starfishy: You are not correct. The 138 gb limit is related to standards. If your IDE controller is too old, you will not be able to address large drives, regardless of the software involved. This is a documented issue on a number of chipsets. |
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| 19:50.59 | stew | abrotman: are we sure that grub uses bios to access the HD? the kernel doesn't |
| 19:51.03 | SimonRaven | in unstable. |
| 19:51.07 | SimonRaven | Usiu: ^^^ |
| 19:51.17 | pipeline | starfishy: e.g. the CMD chipsets that were so common at one time |
| 19:51.32 | abrotman | <DeviX> can grub read more than 128GiB if my BIOS cant? |
| 19:51.36 | pipeline | stew, abrotman : Uh, doesn't grub run in real mode? |
| 19:51.43 | starfishy | btb |
| 19:51.47 | abrotman | that was his question to start .. to which starfishy seemed to answer yes |
| 19:51.51 | Usiu | pipeline, sure but nowadays too many moderns apps use 0.60 :) |
| 19:51.56 | eleftherios | nixxie, sysv-rc-conf is the nicest console utility for the configuration of sysv init scripts if you ask me. Try it out :-) |
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| 19:52.06 | nixxie | eleftherios, ye i got it :) |
| 19:52.10 | pipeline | Usiu: You will find that almost no two applications use the same dbus version. Have fun. You will almost certainly not get whatever it is you want working. |
| 19:52.14 | SimonRaven | nixxie found it |
| 19:52.24 | abrotman | stew: unless grub has its own kernel? .. how else would it know the devices etc ? |
| 19:52.25 | nixxie | eleftherios, beats rcconf any time of the day |
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| 19:52.31 | eleftherios | nixxie, ;-) |
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| 19:53.00 | SperMite | how do i look up my booting up logs? i seen some errors i wanna check out? |
| 19:53.03 | pipeline | abrotman: grub stores some data on the disk it's installed to, I think, so it can use the linux kernel's knowledge of devices to some extent? I don't know. GRub confuses the hell out of me. |
| 19:53.15 | pipeline | SperMite: "dmesg" will give you the contents of the ring buffer. |
| 19:53.19 | nixxie | SperMite, less /var/log/dmesg, or dmesg | less, or less /var/log/syslog |
| 19:53.32 | SperMite | ok =0) thanks guys |
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| 19:53.59 | cahoot | SperMite: might also want to enabled bootlogd for completeness |
| 19:54.04 | SimonRaven | /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. dmesg shows you current ring buffer contents |
| 19:54.18 | SimonRaven | !dmesg |
| 19:54.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmesg is print or control the kernel ring buffer |
| 19:54.34 | starfishy | pipeline: the kernel contains a CMD fix |
| 19:54.35 | paco | i used apt-get install to load php, and i was wondering if i needed to add anything to the http.conf file for apache2? |
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| 19:54.44 | starfishy | that AFAIK addresses that problem |
| 19:55.01 | SimonRaven | !dmesg is also /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents. |
| 19:55.02 | dpkg | okay, SimonRaven |
| 19:55.44 | Eulex | Usiu, there is a reason there is a dbus transition to 0.60 going on and that the gnome and kde packagers have agreed on how to handle it. |
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| 19:55.54 | starfishy | abrotman: please quote where i said that grub can address more than 138GB |
| 19:56.00 | starfishy | i didnt refer to that at all |
| 19:56.03 | starfishy | on the contrary |
| 19:56.28 | bucky | paco: ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ is php4.load in there? |
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| 19:56.47 | starfishy | i said several times that only if your /boot partition is below the applicable limits it can be read but for Linux itself the 138GB limit does not exist per se |
| 19:57.07 | starfishy | anyway |
| 19:57.08 | nixxie | man, just grab a beer and drop the LBA crap |
| 19:57.13 | SimonRaven | !dmesg |
| 19:57.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmesg is print or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents. |
| 19:57.20 | S4nD3r | Is it possible to edit a PDF file in linux ??? |
| 19:57.22 | nixxie | SCSI is better anyway. |
| 19:57.22 | starfishy | beer unfortunately not allowed at work |
| 19:57.31 | phani | Any bdy know how to install Promise PDC2000 RAID controller |
| 19:57.34 | phani | ?????????????// |
| 19:57.44 | SimonRaven | nixxie: aho :) |
| 19:57.46 | paco | bucky, yes it is |
| 19:57.50 | abrotman | pipeline: lilo uses direct addressing i think |
| 19:57.52 | dvm1981 | Z |
| 19:57.55 | bucky | make a file called phpinfo.php with this in it <?php phpinfo(); ?> and put it in /var/www then navigate your browser to http://localhost/phpinfo.php |
| 19:57.59 | SimonRaven | !tell phani -about ep |
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| 19:58.01 | bucky | paco ^^ |
| 19:58.16 | phani | Hi Simon |
| 19:58.24 | starfishy | nixxie: i run 3ware IDE hardware raid controllers, which are addressed by the kernel 3ware scsi driver |
| 19:58.27 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : Write you're document with OpenOffice writer |
| 19:58.27 | SimonRaven | !phpinfo |
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| 19:58.30 | phani | i need help in the Promise card |
| 19:58.40 | phani | RAID card |
| 19:58.46 | starfishy | dvm: that works only with new documents |
| 19:58.49 | nixxie | starfishy, so do i dude. now go grab that beer |
| 19:58.57 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : So there you have a button that automatically concert the current document to PDF |
| 19:59.01 | SimonRaven | a) stick card in PCI slot b) load driver at boot c) done |
| 19:59.09 | phani | I did |
| 19:59.16 | paco | bucky, i already made a file with the phpinfo call in it, and put in my htdocs, and what happens is that apache2 just prints the whole http text. |
| 19:59.18 | starfishy | a cup of coffee for me please |
| 19:59.26 | S4nD3r | I already have the PDF file |
| 19:59.28 | abrotman | starfishy: you rephrased his questions |
| 19:59.30 | abrotman | err quesiton |
| 19:59.31 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.32 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:59.39 | nixxie | abrotman, beer for you too |
| 19:59.44 | SimonRaven | !coffee starfishy |
| 19:59.46 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : Ok edititing the PDF then ... |
| 19:59.47 | phani | iam using bf2.4 2.4.18-14 |
| 19:59.50 | starfishy | no, i just stated the limitations |
| 19:59.57 | SimonRaven | !beer abrotman |
| 19:59.57 | bucky | paco put it in /var/www and browse to http://localhost/phpinfo.php |
| 19:59.59 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : Looking if i find |
| 20:00.05 | paco | bucky, okay |
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| 20:00.09 | starfishy | now lets shake hands |
| 20:00.33 | abrotman | SimonRaven: more please |
| 20:00.38 | starfishy | thanks, dpkg, you are a lifesaver :) |
| 20:00.41 | streuner | haha |
| 20:00.42 | phani | the system boots but does not detect the HDs |
| 20:00.45 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.50 | SimonRaven | !beer abrotman |
| 20:00.50 | bucky | paco: is php working there? |
| 20:00.56 | starfishy | phani: not even the boot disk? |
| 20:00.59 | streuner | abrotman: go to the next store :-) |
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| 20:01.34 | SimonRaven | fucking lag |
| 20:01.34 | SimonRaven | phano wonder. upgrade to sarge already |
| 20:01.44 | paco | bucky, it says the file isnt found on the server. |
| 20:01.44 | SimonRaven | phani: no wonder. upgrade to sarge already |
| 20:01.56 | phani | Simon : I tried to install with the regular versions of woody, but i suppose the default installation disks do not have the promise driver |
| 20:01.59 | paco | bucky, did i have to restart apache2? |
| 20:02.04 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : I have do a look with apt-cache search edit pdf but there are nothing goods on the first search. So but interesting in the question so i also look now for a sollution |
| 20:02.06 | bucky | paco: did you mis spell phpinfo.php ? |
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| 20:02.17 | SimonRaven | sheesh. i wonder why people don't upgrade already, and stick with exploitable install kernels from 4 years ago... |
| 20:02.28 | phani | I tried the 2.6 unstable too |
| 20:02.29 | Azar | phani upgrade from Woody to Sarge and upgrade the kernel from 2.4.18 to 2.6.8 |
| 20:02.34 | paco | bucky, well, i called the file ledzep.php, but i did spell it out |
| 20:02.39 | SimonRaven | ... and then they wonder why they've been cracked into |
| 20:02.44 | nixxie | are there any other means besides using lsof to determine why mount wont unmount a disk because its busy? i'm like 'lsof | grep mnt' but its not being used, but still busy. |
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| 20:02.48 | phani | the problem is that the hard disks are not detected |
| 20:02.53 | paco | bucky, my docroot is in the /usr/local/htdocs |
| 20:02.59 | abrotman | SimonRaven: if you're going to run an old kernel .. at least use something *really* old :) |
| 20:03.00 | phani | i tried google and they pointed to me saying |
| 20:03.03 | SimonRaven | l |
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| 20:03.08 | SimonRaven | phani: no kidding |
| 20:03.14 | S4nD3r | dvm1981, Only Adobe has this solution |
| 20:03.15 | phani | it works on bf2.4 |
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| 20:03.20 | S4nD3r | for awhile |
| 20:03.21 | bucky | paco: then you did not apt-get install apache2 |
| 20:03.26 | phani | ya .. |
| 20:03.31 | paco | bucky, no..i installed form source |
| 20:03.33 | SimonRaven | abrotman: at least use something that isn't known (yet) for remote and local root exploits |
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| 20:03.39 | phani | the promise drivers are only given for RHEL |
| 20:03.43 | abrotman | SimonRaven: 2.0.x :) |
| 20:03.46 | paco | all my conf files ar ein /usr/local/apache2 |
| 20:03.50 | bucky | paco: then you should know how to configure it |
| 20:03.54 | SimonRaven | !kernel |
| 20:03.56 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.15, snapshot: 2.6.15-git7, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.15-mm3 |
| 20:04.06 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : I don't know |
| 20:04.11 | SimonRaven | 2.0.40 to be exact ;) |
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| 20:04.14 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : pdftoipe - converts arbitrary PDF file to XML file readable by Ipe |
| 20:04.17 | paco | bucky, i installed php and mysql using the apt method |
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| 20:04.22 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : If it can help |
| 20:04.27 | Azar | phani: edit your /etc/apt/sources file to point to / stable main non-free contrib then do aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 20:04.41 | bucky | paco: why didn't you install apache2 the same way then? |
| 20:04.45 | phani | am trying to install with the mirrored hardware ? |
| 20:04.51 | SimonRaven | um, it probably already is... |
| 20:04.53 | samuel | how do i reconfigure the x.org keyboard settings? |
| 20:05.03 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 20:05.04 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 20:05.11 | paco | bucky, because someone in apache channel told me loading from source was better..now, i know better |
| 20:05.25 | phani | i meant i have the hard-disks mirrored and then trying to use the installer ... |
| 20:05.27 | samuel | abrotman: thx |
| 20:05.30 | S4nD3r | dvm1981, ipe ?? |
| 20:05.33 | S4nD3r | Whow... |
| 20:05.36 | S4nD3r | I will see that |
| 20:05.41 | SimonRaven | and use aptitude plain and simple. woody->sarge is going to be hard (for them, possibly), might as well make it easier |
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| 20:05.55 | paco | bucky, i think the problem is that the aLoad_Moldue command syntax in the apache conf file is wrong |
| 20:06.05 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : ipe - drawing editor for creating figures in PDF or PS formats |
| 20:06.14 | Azar | phani if you installed Woody and apt configuration was set to stable, now you have Sarge all you need is to upgrade the kernel |
| 20:06.18 | nixxie | modprobe: command not found. /sigh |
| 20:06.27 | abrotman | are you root? |
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| 20:06.42 | starfishy | dvm: are you trying to edit an existing document or create a new one? |
| 20:06.49 | phani | Azar.. I have been installing Sarge systems for a while.. I know how to upgrade |
| 20:06.51 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : I have never test it, so ... test it :-) and let it know if this helps |
| 20:06.52 | S4nD3r | Every time I come here, I've learning news |
| 20:06.59 | nixxie | ye. i just suck, abrotman:P |
| 20:07.03 | Azar | phani very good then |
| 20:07.09 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : i also :-0 |
| 20:07.14 | S4nD3r | starfishy, Editing an existing file |
| 20:07.17 | phani | but Iam trying to install either Sarge or woody with the Promise card |
| 20:07.17 | abrotman | nixxie: you'd have to try very hard not to have modprobe(as root) |
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| 20:07.42 | nixxie | abrotman, no module-init-tools installed. hard enough for ya? :) |
| 20:07.42 | Azar | phani you need a 2.6.8 kernel. Period. |
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| 20:08.22 | phani | Ya .. So u say if i try installing th2 2.6.8 Debian disks (maybe unstable) the installer will work |
| 20:08.39 | Azar | phani you need a 2.6.8 KERNEL |
| 20:08.45 | phani | I tried that too. What i see is two disks instead of 1 disk |
| 20:08.55 | SimonRaven | no not unstable. just stable is fine |
| 20:09.02 | phani | K .. |
| 20:09.08 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : I can not try it now, synaptic is bussy with doing some things, help that ipe app. |
| 20:09.18 | starfishy | maybe pdftk would fit the bill |
| 20:09.22 | starfishy | dunno, never tried it |
| 20:09.25 | starfishy | http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/ |
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| 20:09.47 | phani | i have mirrored the harddisks in the Promise Tool along with the BIOS |
| 20:10.02 | abrotman | nixxie: are you running potato? |
| 20:10.02 | phani | but when i try the installer it shows me two disks |
| 20:10.12 | phani | why is this happening ? |
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| 20:10.27 | Azar | phani I have no idea about Sarge installer |
| 20:10.40 | Azar | you say you are now successfully running a 2.4.18 kernel |
| 20:10.48 | SimonRaven | the pdc card (pdc2000_new IIRC that's the name of the module) is not that recent enough to matter |
| 20:10.52 | Azar | phani upgrade the kernel, install a 2.6.8 one |
| 20:10.54 | starfishy | nixie: they used to call modutils |
| 20:11.05 | starfishy | changed 2.4->2.6 IIRC |
| 20:11.05 | S4nD3r | Im installing ipe |
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| 20:11.17 | abrotman | nixxie: uname -a |
| 20:11.22 | S4nD3r | ok.. installed |
| 20:11.24 | S4nD3r | now I will try |
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| 20:11.30 | nixxie | abrotman, i used to. but thats years ago. no, i debootstrapped testing on an usb stick, then ran base-config and aptitude. apparently module-init-tools didnt get isntalled, which does strike me as odd |
| 20:11.41 | abrotman | nixxie: so .. install it? |
| 20:11.44 | SimonRaven | modutils != module-init-tools |
| 20:11.48 | phani | for reference http://ttul.org/~rrsadler/linux-promise/ |
| 20:11.49 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : synaptic is downloading some file by me and i can not abort it ... |
| 20:12.04 | nixxie | i did. but why there was no modprobe on my debootstrapped testing is still odd, right |
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| 20:12.36 | phani | the page shows how to go abt with such cards |
| 20:12.38 | dvm1981 | I need a satelite line please need some speed :-0 |
| 20:12.42 | phani | but the steps didnt work |
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| 20:12.44 | Azar | phani: apt-get install aptitude then apt-cache search kernel-image find your 2.6.8 kernel type there (for your CPU) then aptitude install kernel-image.(your kernel type here) |
| 20:12.49 | g33k | I just loaded debian and the gui won't start...says x server isn't set up right |
| 20:13.06 | g33k | I'ma n00b so take it easy |
| 20:13.15 | dvm1981 | g33k : Some troubles with the video driver |
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| 20:13.20 | streuner | !noob |
| 20:13.21 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 20:13.27 | dvm1981 | g33k : Use the default |
| 20:13.30 | g33k | dvm: I guess so |
| 20:13.32 | ubrdrgn2 | g33k: what kind of video card is on the machine? |
| 20:13.36 | starfishy | raven: you are correct. but IIRC modutils were to the 2.4 kernels what module-init-tools are to 2.6 |
| 20:13.40 | nixxie | one last thing, is discover becoming obsolete with the newer versions of udev? looks like udev is handling all device discovery at boottime |
| 20:13.41 | dvm1981 | g33k : Thinking the name, can't remember |
| 20:13.46 | phani | Azar : I didnt mean to get the hardware unning after i install debian. i want it within the installer (This way i will not have any trouble in mirroring the hard-disks) |
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| 20:13.56 | abrotman | worst nicktab skills ever |
| 20:14.02 | starfishy | which also is that if you list the package contents of modutils on a 2.6 system you will find several 'diverted by module-init-tools to ...' statements |
| 20:14.23 | g33k | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.28 | starfishy | /sbin/modprobe |
| 20:14.28 | Azar | phani, sorry then I cannot help you with the installer. I do not use it |
| 20:14.28 | starfishy | : diverted by module-init-tools to: /sbin/modprobe.Lmodutils |
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| 20:14.34 | abrotman | g33k: can you feel the power? |
| 20:14.38 | starfishy | thats from dpkg -L modutils |
| 20:14.49 | g33k | lol...not that new to feel the power |
| 20:14.56 | starfishy | wow, rage XL |
| 20:15.00 | g33k | just new to linux |
| 20:15.01 | dvm1981 | ubtfthn2 : What is the name of the default driver that work with all ? Suggest to >> |
| 20:15.10 | starfishy | i think thats even slower than my mobility M7 |
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| 20:15.23 | abrotman | a rage XL is .. 7 years old maybe? |
| 20:15.31 | starfishy | yeah |
| 20:15.31 | abrotman | no .. 5 maybe |
| 20:15.32 | g33k | this is a dual cpu server...doesn't need graphics |
| 20:15.33 | starfishy | pre-radeon |
| 20:15.49 | g33k | just the onboard stuff |
| 20:15.49 | p8m | g33k: Then why do you need X? |
| 20:15.49 | abrotman | g33k: HP? |
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| 20:15.57 | Azar | g33k: usually you will start by stating what Debian version you installed and what version of kernel are you using: then state your problme |
| 20:15.57 | nixxie | sigh.. cant cfdisk my 3TB raid. bah, back to kernel compiling |
| 20:15.59 | dvm1981 | ubdrgn2 : What is the name of the default driver that work with all ? Suggest to >> |
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| 20:16.03 | starfishy | they still use the Rage XL on some server boards, just came across one in a configurator yesterday |
| 20:16.03 | g33k | http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7501/X5DP8-G2.cfm |
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| 20:16.23 | abrotman | g33k: that's not nearly 5 years old |
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| 20:16.36 | abrotman | g33k: regardless .. what's your question? |
| 20:16.44 | starfishy | abrotman: as a standalone graphics board it holds true though ;) |
| 20:16.50 | g33k | how do I get the the gui to work? |
| 20:16.54 | ubrdrgn2 | well using the simple vga driver will usualy get xwindows up and running although in a forced 640x480 mode |
| 20:16.54 | starfishy | for the server boards it really doesnt matter |
| 20:16.56 | TTT | hi, sorry for offtopic, but can anyone tell what does expression "walk the ward" mean in english? I STFWd but didn't find much... |
| 20:16.57 | abrotman | g33k: which desktop do you want? |
| 20:17.08 | g33k | kde |
| 20:17.09 | Durin | why does gnome mixer_applet2 give me the error "No volume control elements and/or devices found." though alsamixer functions correctly? |
| 20:17.10 | starfishy | there is an ati driver in x.org |
| 20:17.20 | abrotman | g33k: apt-get install kde x-window-system |
| 20:17.35 | abrotman | g33k: when it asks for a driver .. choose .. ati .. i think it is |
| 20:17.36 | ubrdrgn2 | ^^ |
| 20:17.40 | g33k | so that's not there off the install |
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| 20:17.48 | starfishy | durin: OSS instead of ALSA plugin maybe? |
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| 20:17.54 | ubrdrgn2 | ATI is an option of install if I remember correctly |
| 20:17.55 | abrotman | g33k: X is not installed by default |
| 20:18.13 | zimnyx | IS it possible two run mysql-server both 4.1 and 5 on one box? |
| 20:18.16 | nixxie | hey thats odd. my kernel is compiled with CONFIG_LBD=y and also HUGETLBFS, yet i can't partition my 3TB raid. it tells me "very big device, try to use READ CAPACITY(16)". is this cfdisk at fault? |
| 20:18.18 | rob^^^ | does anyone know why there is no php5-mcrypt package? |
| 20:18.22 | abrotman | zimnyx: ask #mysql |
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| 20:18.28 | reiserfs | Hi there |
| 20:18.31 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 20:18.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 20:18.32 | g33k | I c...I misunderstood the install then. So the gui isn't there unless you put it there |
| 20:18.38 | abrotman | g33k: nope |
| 20:18.47 | abrotman | g33k: and if ati fails .. you can fall back to vesa |
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| 20:18.59 | ubrdrgn2 | if you choose the Desktop installation it does install Gnome |
| 20:18.59 | reiserfs | I'm having a trouble installing kernel image 2.4.27 to a Dual Core 166 PPro pc |
| 20:19.00 | nixxie | parted gives me "unable to open /dev/sdb - unrecognised disk label", so its not cfdisk. |
| 20:19.05 | csalad | na most? |
| 20:19.07 | csalad | ?rm?rt?ki ?r?let |
| 20:19.14 | reiserfs | I installed 2.4.27-2-686-smp |
| 20:19.29 | ubrdrgn2 | and will attempt to load gdm on boot.. which will result in an error message if the wrong video device is selected ^^ |
| 20:19.30 | Azar | hm dual core... |
| 20:19.36 | Durin | starfishy: you mean libpt-plugins-*? |
| 20:19.43 | reiserfs | But, once I loads grub, a few seconds after that, reboots automatically |
| 20:19.46 | g33k | ok...well I choose vesa during the install...I'll try that apt-get |
| 20:19.51 | g33k | bbiab |
| 20:19.57 | ubrdrgn2 | gl |
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| 20:19.58 | reiserfs | Do you know what should I do? |
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| 20:20.10 | reiserfs | I really don't want to compile it by hand |
| 20:20.26 | abrotman | reiserfs: try a 2.6-smp ? |
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| 20:20.30 | Azar | is 2.4.x. supporting dual core? |
| 20:20.40 | abrotman | Azar: he means Dual CPU PPro 166 |
| 20:20.59 | reiserfs | abrotman yes, that |
| 20:21.09 | Azar | abrotman yes, I was wondering if 2.4.x will do for that? |
| 20:21.18 | reiserfs | but it's supposed to be a production server |
| 20:21.21 | abrotman | yes .. i ran one for a while on a Dual PPro 200 :) |
| 20:21.28 | reiserfs | Isn't a bad Idea a 2.6 for that? |
| 20:21.31 | Azar | wow, amazing |
| 20:21.36 | abrotman | reiserfs: i run 2.6 on my PPro 200 SMP box |
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| 20:21.49 | reiserfs | abrotman is it stable? |
| 20:21.53 | abrotman | reiserfs: admittedly .. it does have 386MB RAM |
| 20:22.02 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : Have you test 'ipe' ? |
| 20:22.03 | abrotman | reiserfs: couldn't tell you the last time it crashed |
| 20:22.16 | abrotman | reiserfs: i had to take it down for a failed drive last week .. but other than that .. runs fine |
| 20:22.17 | Azar | 2.6.8 is stable |
| 20:22.28 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 20:22.30 | reiserfs | abrotman but, you know, do you have more troubles since installed 2.6 thant with 2.4? |
| 20:22.30 | S4nD3r | Didnt work |
| 20:22.47 | S4nD3r | Not as I wanted |
| 20:22.51 | Thaiger | I'm trying to get a netgear 401RA pcmcia card working, which I've googled and I think its a prism chipset, so I used module-assistant to build the modules, but when I do a depmod it says that all the modules were ignored due to loop |
| 20:22.52 | abrotman | reiserfs: that machine has been on 2.6 for a long time .. and before .. it was running tomcat/mysql .. so there were all kinds of issues :) |
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| 20:23.00 | reiserfs | Well, you know, 2.6 is still in challange |
| 20:23.00 | g33k | abrotman: says kde is already newest ver, and some packages not installed. Then says I need some unmet dependencies |
| 20:23.13 | abrotman | g33k: ok .. and x-window-system ? |
| 20:23.24 | reiserfs | abrotman Well, I'll try that! |
| 20:23.25 | abrotman | g33k: do you want X to start at boot ? |
| 20:23.29 | Azar | reiserfs, 2.6.8 is stable and brings more support over the 2.4.x |
| 20:23.31 | nixxie | so, noone here has experience with a 3TB raid array? i can't seem to fdisk it since it cannot determine its capacity. this is on deb testing, 2.6.15, hugetlb support compiled in. |
| 20:23.32 | Kernel-Kris | how do i make programs start on boot time? |
| 20:23.36 | g33k | abrotman |
| 20:23.39 | abrotman | Kernel-Kris: update-rc.d |
| 20:23.42 | reiserfs | abrotman do you suggest me a 2.6.8? |
| 20:23.43 | g33k | abrotman: not really |
| 20:23.47 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : I have installed it and try to open some PDF documents but none will be openend, the PDF documents must be writed from latex or somethings i think |
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| 20:23.50 | abrotman | reiserfs: that's what i'm running |
| 20:23.59 | abrotman | g33k: ok .. just checking .. carry on |
| 20:24.05 | g33k | abrotman: but I'd like to be able to if I want |
| 20:24.16 | abrotman | g33k: using startkde/startx i assume? |
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| 20:24.26 | g33k | abrotman: I'm a little unsure what x window is |
| 20:24.29 | dvm1981 | S4nD3r : Same case ? |
| 20:24.32 | reiserfs | Azar I use 2.6 on desktop, but in the producciotion, so, no much support neeeded |
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| 20:24.57 | reiserfs | abrotman thanks a lot, I'm installing it right now! |
| 20:25.01 | S4nD3r | yes |
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| 20:25.05 | S4nD3r | I will see this later |
| 20:25.08 | S4nD3r | I ve got go now |
| 20:25.10 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 20:25.19 | jvw | I'm trying to get serial consolve via a null-modem cable up & running, but so far failing... got the inittab with getty thingy, and try to start minicom... but see nothing... and then? |
| 20:25.23 | g33k | abrotman: What is x-window? |
| 20:25.23 | jvw | how to debug that? |
| 20:25.38 | abrotman | x-window-system |
| 20:25.47 | abrotman | jvw: are you allowed to ask questions here? |
| 20:25.47 | starfishy | g33k: X-Windows is the platform all (almost all) Linux GUIs are built on |
| 20:26.04 | jvw | abrotman: silent, or I'll ask d-private to shut you all down! |
| 20:26.06 | beardy | !xwindows |
| 20:26.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 20:26.14 | abrotman | jvw: let mplayer in! |
| 20:26.18 | lindenl1 | starfishy: Are there even any other open windowing systems or even close ones for that matter anymore? |
| 20:26.21 | jvw | that's it! |
| 20:26.24 | g33k | so I need to start that at startup just if I want to run a gui |
| 20:26.27 | abrotman | lindenl1: yes |
| 20:26.35 | abrotman | lindenl1: well .. rather .. there used to be |
| 20:26.41 | starfishy | AFAIK in the embedded marked there are other options |
| 20:26.43 | lindenl1 | abrotman: agreed |
| 20:26.45 | abrotman | !berlin |
| 20:26.45 | dpkg | from memory, berlin is an extension of fresco to a complete windowing system, using its own drawing libraries and a component loader. it works, is pretty, and is LGPL. it does not yet do enough to make it worth switching from X, but it will. Visit http://www.berlin-consortium.org for more info. or [Q: Why is it consortium? do dict consortium], or at #berlin, or now called fresco, see http://www.fresco.org |
| 20:26.49 | starfishy | but as for larger systems: no |
| 20:26.56 | lindenl1 | cool |
| 20:27.04 | lindenl1 | very interestuing |
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| 20:27.19 | starfishy | wow, berlin is a new one on me |
| 20:27.21 | abrotman | of course .. basically dead |
| 20:27.33 | abrotman | no updates in .. 2+ years .. but at one time it did work |
| 20:27.34 | beardy | g33k: No, you don't need to start it at startup. You can just run startx when you need/want to. Or run a display manager, which by default sits on tty7 and waits for you to login. The way you choose it up to you. |
| 20:27.40 | abrotman | i think plan9 uses something other than X also |
| 20:27.48 | beardy | is |
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| 20:28.13 | starfishy | berlin-consortium.org leads to a gambling site |
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| 20:28.30 | g33k | abrotman: when I ran tha command apt-get I got this at the end: pends: xprt-xprintorg but it is not installable |
| 20:28.30 | g33k | E: Broken packages |
| 20:28.30 | g33k | DAS-Tux01:/# The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 20:28.30 | g33k | bash: The: command not found |
| 20:28.30 | g33k | DAS-Tux01:/# x-window-system: Depends: xprt-xprintorg but it is not installable |
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| 20:28.53 | lindenl1 | starfishy: yep gambling, so is it a dead project |
| 20:29.10 | starfishy | there is a site at fresco.org but it has an updated date in 1998 |
| 20:29.23 | reiserfs | clear |
| 20:29.25 | starfishy | so .. the answer is, no, at least nothing mainstream |
| 20:29.27 | reiserfs | ups xD |
| 20:30.03 | lindenl1 | check fresco...berlin changed its name |
| 20:30.04 | trym | when I apt-get update I get ... W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs - how do I fix this? |
| 20:30.08 | lindenl1 | ok |
| 20:30.13 | lindenl1 | i was just curious anyway |
| 20:30.20 | reiserfs | trym /topic |
| 20:30.34 | trym | ah yes :) |
| 20:30.36 | trym | see it now |
| 20:30.39 | nixxie | ah great. getting segfaults when mounting a 10GB partition on the 3TB raid. |
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| 20:30.42 | beardy | !tell g33k -about flood |
| 20:31.04 | g33k | sorry |
| 20:31.12 | reiserfs | !tell reiserfs -about how to make money |
| 20:31.14 | reiserfs | :P |
| 20:31.15 | abrotman | g33k: try x-window-system-core |
| 20:31.28 | dvm1981 | g33k look at the new tab that has opened |
| 20:31.29 | g33k | can type that in putty |
| 20:31.54 | abrotman | starfishy: the last release was 2003-03-04 |
| 20:32.13 | lindenl1 | abrotman: yeah and last time page was edited was 2004 |
| 20:32.15 | reiserfs | Does anyone knows why packages.debian.org is still down? :-( |
| 20:32.18 | g33k | sorry guys...new to irc too |
| 20:32.20 | beardy | g33k: /msg dpkg install x |
| 20:32.38 | paco | i am having trouble configuring php4 with apache2. i installed apache2 from source and i installed php from apt. should i remove my apache2 and re-intsall apache2 from apt? |
| 20:32.40 | karsten | Hrm: greenbar w/ nth child? |
| 20:32.41 | trym | then keyring.debian.org keyring server seems drunk |
| 20:32.42 | Shadowcat | reiserfs: why do you need packages.debian.org? |
| 20:32.42 | beardy | g33k: It's no problem, as long as you learn. |
| 20:32.42 | chealer | reiserfs: its host is too loaded |
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| 20:32.49 | abrotman | lindenl1: yeah .. but i do think plan9 uses something other than X .. but i'm not 100% sure |
| 20:32.52 | dvm1981 | g33k : everybody learn some new things :-) |
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| 20:33.08 | reiserfs | Shadowcat too much :( |
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| 20:33.23 | reiserfs | chealer really? why suddenly? |
| 20:33.24 | lindenl1 | abrotman: i will look since I started the thread ;) |
| 20:33.30 | beardy | g33k: (by /msg dpkg we mean, type "/msg dpkg something" in your irc client, it means to send dpkg a private message asking about something) |
| 20:33.34 | Shadowcat | you don't need packages.debian.org to search for packages |
| 20:33.38 | Shadowcat | apt-cache works just fine |
| 20:33.43 | Shadowcat | as does apt-rdepends |
| 20:33.48 | abrotman | !tell lindenl1 about plan9 |
| 20:33.57 | g33k | so that would send to the user dpkg? |
| 20:33.59 | reiserfs | Shadowcat I don't have all sources |
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| 20:34.06 | reiserfs | And I don't want them either |
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| 20:34.19 | MrFaber | hi all |
| 20:34.21 | beardy | g33k: dpkg is a bot, but yes. |
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| 20:34.23 | dvm1981 | g33k : a robot > bot |
| 20:34.29 | reiserfs | I mean.. they are a looooooot... |
| 20:34.34 | MrFaber | Does anybody know why there is no vnc 4 in etch repository? |
| 20:34.45 | Shadowcat | reiserfs: that's not our problem |
| 20:34.52 | Shadowcat | I have all the sources added with apt-pinning |
| 20:34.53 | beardy | MrFaber: Should it be? |
| 20:34.55 | Shadowcat | it's quite useful |
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| 20:35.09 | starfishy | shadowcat: can apt-cache search for individual files in the package database? |
| 20:35.10 | MrFaber | beardy: it is better and newer than vnc 3.3.7 |
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| 20:35.13 | reiserfs | Shadowcat ok, ok, don't get angry :-( |
| 20:35.16 | beardy | MrFaber: If it should, check the bts why there's not. |
| 20:35.19 | starfishy | thats what i normally use packages for |
| 20:35.20 | stew | starfishy: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:35.21 | beardy | !better |
| 20:35.21 | dpkg | better is probably a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 20:35.25 | reiserfs | Just asking why it was down |
| 20:35.29 | reiserfs | nothing else :-\ |
| 20:35.32 | nixxie | hmm. "My understanding (evolving as I learn more about it) of this is simply that normal partition tables as stored in the MBR cannot handle disks bigger than 2TB, since they assume 512-byte sectors and only have a 32-bit field to indicate partition start and end points." Does that mean that with 3TB disks i cannot use the msdos partition label scheme? |
| 20:35.32 | MrFaber | beardy: what is the bts? |
| 20:35.43 | MrFaber | beardy: and tightvnc has some cpu problem, don't know why |
| 20:35.47 | beardy | MrFaber: /msg dpkg bts |
| 20:35.49 | MrFaber | vnc 4 works fine for me |
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| 20:36.52 | g33k | so what do I do to get x-window working...sorry |
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| 20:37.17 | abrotman | x-window-system-core? |
| 20:37.41 | MrFaber | Does anybody got ipp2p to work? |
| 20:38.02 | g33k | I'm not understanding the question, I just installed from the disc and I get an error when I start the server |
| 20:38.12 | stew | g33k: what error do you get |
| 20:38.12 | g33k | says I can't start the kde |
| 20:38.23 | g33k | problems with xserver |
| 20:38.39 | g33k | do you want to see the error yes or no..etc |
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| 20:38.45 | stew | g33k: yes |
| 20:39.15 | beardy | g33k: Did you install the package called kde? |
| 20:39.25 | dvm1981 | !tell about paste |
| 20:39.42 | dvm1981 | !paste |
| 20:39.42 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 20:39.45 | Aronofsky | hi everybody |
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| 20:40.08 | g33k | well I tried that apt-get a minute ago and said it was up to date |
| 20:40.19 | stew | g33k: what exact command are you typing and what exact error are you getting |
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| 20:40.34 | stew | g33k: which was up to date? kde or x-window-system-core? |
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| 20:40.47 | nixxie | is it possible that linux 2.6.15 + debian testing isnt capable of handling 3TB hardware raid disks? |
| 20:40.52 | sandman | Does the UDF filesystem have filesystem checkers for it? And if a UDF FS on a CD has errors, can they be corrected? I'd like to make a somewhat scratch-resistant CD, such that I can put semi-important documents on it and not have to worry about it being unrecoverable if something goes horribly wrong. |
| 20:41.10 | sandman | Also: How do I reconfigure networking in Debian if I add a network card my system, Debian already being installed? |
| 20:41.10 | ubrdrgn2 | g33k, at command prompt type: dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-server |
| 20:41.17 | sandman | (I previously had no network card) |
| 20:41.32 | ubrdrgn2 | g33k, from there you can choose a different video driver |
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| 20:41.35 | g33k | I ran the "apt-get install kde x-window-system" and it says kde is up to date but xwindow is missing dependecies |
| 20:41.35 | stew | sandman: /msg dpkg man interfaces ; man 5 interfaces |
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| 20:42.01 | stew | g33k: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:42.11 | blondie | nixxie: yes, that's far too small a disk |
| 20:42.21 | paco | is it possdible to uninstall apache2 after installing it from source? |
| 20:42.24 | ubrdrgn2 | g33k, sorry thats dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-xserver |
| 20:42.24 | g33k | xprt-xprintorg is not installable e: broken packages |
| 20:42.40 | g33k | Whatever I dl'd off debian the other day |
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| 20:42.51 | g33k | so should be the newest |
| 20:42.51 | reiserfs | abrotman no :(((((((((((((( |
| 20:42.57 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:43.05 | reiserfs | abrotman It did the same |
| 20:43.13 | Aronofsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.15 | abrotman | reiserfs: can you see any errors? |
| 20:43.17 | stew | g33k: what does "apt-cache policy x-window-system" say for Candidate: |
| 20:43.19 | beardy | g33k: please run this, and tell us what it says; 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
| 20:43.20 | reiserfs | abrotman It loads grub and then, reboots automatically |
| 20:43.22 | g33k | how do I konw the ver and kernel ? What command in putty |
| 20:43.27 | reiserfs | abrotman nono, it justs reboots |
| 20:43.34 | abrotman | reiserfs: maybe .. your APIC is messed ? |
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| 20:43.49 | abrotman | though .. for SMP .. you kind of need that afaik |
| 20:44.07 | reiserfs | abrotman what do you suggest me? |
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| 20:44.20 | Aronofsky | does anyone here use amavisd-new ? |
| 20:44.28 | beardy | Aronofsky: /msg dpkg ask |
| 20:44.32 | fatal_ | !anyone use |
| 20:44.33 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:44.46 | dvm1981 | It's normal that my second monitor on my video card have so a rose color ? The video card have twoo connecters first a blue VGA and the second a white DVI. |
| 20:44.46 | nixxie | blondie, yea i know, i could only afford 8x500GB right now. however im getting segfaults on mounttime with kernel errors all over, so im getting a bit worried |
| 20:44.55 | Azar | g33k what beardy told you to do |
| 20:45.21 | blondie | use stable then |
| 20:45.40 | Justin | MrFaber: I hope you are using lvm on top of that |
| 20:45.42 | Justin | er |
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| 20:45.44 | reiserfs | abrotman If I don't use a smp kernel, it doesn't used the 2 cpus, right? |
| 20:45.52 | Justin | nixxie: I hope you are using lvm on top of that |
| 20:45.53 | nixxie | dvm1981, you mean pink color? no thats not normal. |
| 20:45.53 | Aronofsky | so anyone can help me with it, because i read all the doc and howto's i can find but it still does'nt work |
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| 20:46.11 | beardy | !doesn't work |
| 20:46.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 20:46.16 | nixxie | Justin, i will for 2988GB of it. only a 10GB root and 2GB swap. |
| 20:46.16 | MrFaber | Justin for what? |
| 20:46.16 | dvm1981 | nixxie : Yes :-) sorry bad english |
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| 20:46.18 | beardy | !tell Aronofsky -about ask |
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| 20:46.31 | Justin | MrFaber: tab completion mistake :-) |
| 20:46.34 | MrFaber | np |
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| 20:46.56 | nixxie | Justin, however, if i make an XFS partition and mount it, i shouldt get segfaults and other kernel errors |
| 20:46.57 | g33k | I dl'd: debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 20:47.04 | reiserfs | Trouble is this, I installed a 2.4.27-2-686-smp and a 2.6.8-2-686-smp and it reboots when it loads egrub |
| 20:47.10 | reiserfs | Any ideas? |
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| 20:47.15 | g33k | just a sec I'll run that cat command |
| 20:47.18 | dvm1981 | nixxie : I think there are somethings bad i hope not the hardware, but with another OS some times ago it give the same problem, but have not many experience with DVI |
| 20:47.19 | Justin | nixxie: what kind of kernel errors? |
| 20:47.19 | abrotman | reiserfs: try noapic |
| 20:47.30 | abrotman | or try to disable acpi also |
| 20:47.31 | Azar | g33k now type in your terminal uname -a and tell us what kernel version you use |
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| 20:47.33 | reiserfs | abrotman on grub menu.lst ? |
| 20:47.43 | beardy | Aronofsky: Oh, you did ask, sorry. |
| 20:47.44 | stew | Azar: why does the kernel version matter? |
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| 20:48.00 | nixxie | justinca, on mounttime it segfaults and prints EIP info. that was 2 reboots ago. cfdisk cannot handle the drive so im using parted and have created an msdos type disklabel |
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| 20:48.10 | seb- | sarge doesn't have mplayer? how play video then? |
| 20:48.18 | stew | seb-: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 20:48.20 | abrotman | !tell seb- about mplayer |
| 20:48.34 | Azar | stew I thought it would be relevant.. |
| 20:48.41 | lindenl1 | !tell lindenle -about mplayer |
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| 20:48.45 | seb- | stew: lemmie guess. licensing issues |
| 20:48.46 | reiserfs | abrotman sorry, disable acpi from grub you mean? |
| 20:48.48 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 20:48.49 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 20:48.52 | stew | Azar: i don't see how kernel version is relevent to a package dependency problem |
| 20:48.53 | Justin | nixxie: lvm should play nice with it... |
| 20:49.00 | g33k | Linux DAS-Tux01 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:49.03 | lindenl1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.04 | dvm1981 | I Have no green color on my second monitor so that the color are pink, is not fine and give pain on the head. |
| 20:49.15 | nixxie | justinca, here it is again. i made a 2800GB partition, did an mkfs.xfs on that. now when i mount it, i get an Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer |
| 20:49.16 | beardy | lindenl1: Don't tell yourself. Use /msg. |
| 20:49.20 | stew | g33k: what does "apt-cache policy x-window-system" say for Candidate: and what does it say for Installed: when you do the same for libc6? |
| 20:49.24 | lindenl1 | oh ok |
| 20:49.32 | abrotman | reiserfs: apic or acpi .. one of them may be causing a problem |
| 20:49.35 | dvm1981 | Can i test or look some else to see or test some things ? |
| 20:49.50 | nixxie | Justin it seems to work fine with ext2 on the 10GB partition. i had the same before with XFS on the 10GB partition. |
| 20:49.51 | Justin | nixxie: run dmesg, scroll up, should have lots more info |
| 20:50.17 | reiserfs | abrotman but you mean to disable it form grub, right? |
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| 20:50.22 | abrotman | yep |
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| 20:50.26 | g33k | xwindow...installed NONE |
| 20:50.27 | nixxie | Justin im getting an oops right after mounting the XFS |
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| 20:50.41 | g33k | you need the rest |
| 20:50.41 | reiserfs | abrotman what line should I add, could you tell me that? |
| 20:50.42 | g33k | ? |
| 20:50.44 | Aronofsky | sorry, i'll try to explain more clearly, actually i think it has something to do with the conf file "content_filter_mode" of amavis, when the 2 lines in that file are not activate amavis doesn't seem to check anything ( neither spam nor virus ), if i activate the 2 lines it checks it but I have the impress that it doesn't use spammassassin and clamav but its own cheking method |
| 20:50.49 | stew | g33k: for x-window-system we need Candidate: we know that it isn't installed |
| 20:50.57 | abrotman | reiserfs: for apic .. just append noapic |
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| 20:51.13 | g33k | 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 |
| 20:51.34 | Justin | nixxie: it should have decoded the oops and given you a stack trace.. should be able to see where the problem started |
| 20:51.48 | dvm1981 | Question about paste : Where i can look what someone has paste ? |
| 20:51.54 | stew | !info xprt-xprintorg sarge |
| 20:51.58 | dvm1981 | #flood |
| 20:52.00 | dpkg | xprt-xprintorg: (Xprint - the X11 print system (dummy)), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.1.0.alpha1-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
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| 20:52.14 | lindenl1 | abrotman: you were completely correct plan 9 wrote the windowing and serer for themselves from scratch... |
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| 20:52.19 | stew | g33k: what happens when you "apt-get isntall xprt-xprintorg" ? |
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| 20:52.34 | dvm1981 | i not really understand #flood, what/ho is it ? |
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| 20:52.47 | reiserfs | abrotman still don't working :'( |
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| 20:52.59 | g33k | E: Package xprt-xprintorg has no installation candidate |
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| 20:53.02 | Azar | dvm1981: this is #debian you can go to #flood |
| 20:53.03 | Durin | starfishy: thanks for the tip, installing gstreamer plugins solved the problem |
| 20:53.04 | KnpX | KDE just starts again if i logout |
| 20:53.13 | stew | dvm1981: #flood is another channel on this network that allows you to paste larger amounts of data |
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| 20:53.15 | nixxie | Justin i'm not very good at interpretating that info. Process is mount, EIP is at _spin_lock+0x0/0x10. And ofcourse lots of info in the call trace. |
| 20:53.24 | beardy | dvm1981: #flood is a channel, join it before someones pastes to see what is pasted there. The paster is better IMO. "/msg dpkg paste" for the url. |
| 20:53.43 | stew | g33k: run apt-setup ; apt-get update ; and try to install x-window-system again |
| 20:53.59 | stew | g33k: but actually you probably only want x-window-system-core |
| 20:54.03 | dvm1981 | :-) |
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| 20:54.42 | Justin | nixxie: where does the lots of stuff seem to be? filesystem? ide driver? |
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| 20:54.50 | nixxie | Justin: XFS |
| 20:54.56 | dvm1981 | To paste it -> http://channels.debian.net/paste/ and see it on the onter channel 'flood' |
| 20:54.58 | reiserfs | I'm afraid I'll have to compile the kernel, right? :-( |
| 20:55.00 | g33k | so I've get the archive method...should I choose ftp? |
| 20:55.04 | g33k | or http? |
| 20:55.07 | stew | http |
| 20:55.11 | Justin | nixxie: posting something on the LKML may be a good idea a this point |
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| 20:55.21 | dvm1981 | Im connected to the 'flood' channel |
| 20:55.26 | dvm1981 | so i will see it |
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| 20:55.33 | KnpX | how do I shut down kde so it wouldnt start again and I could start a different windowmanager |
| 20:55.58 | abrotman | KnpX: ask #knoppix |
| 20:56.16 | g33k | so it's dling something..but I didn't tell it what |
| 20:56.18 | KnpX | noone answers there |
| 20:56.19 | abrotman | reiserfs: try the acpi=off .. i think that's the line .. you may even need both |
| 20:56.22 | nixxie | Justin, hmm, i'll do that tomorrow after I've set up debian sarge on the 10GB partition. I will then try and see if i can reproduce the XFS problem when mounting a partition on this 3TB raid disk. |
| 20:56.27 | beardy | !tey don't know |
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| 20:56.29 | Flimzy | What's the simplest way to turn an mpeg TS stream into a bunch of single-frame image files? |
| 20:56.30 | abrotman | lindenl1: not much to look at though :) |
| 20:56.32 | beardy | !they don't know |
| 20:56.32 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 20:56.32 | stew | g33k: its doing the apt-get update for you |
| 20:56.39 | nixxie | justinca, cause currently im booting off USB stick and i want to take that out of the equasion |
| 20:56.45 | stew | KnpX: try a mailing list then |
| 20:56.46 | g33k | so when that's done? |
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| 20:57.03 | SimonRaven | 'equation' |
| 20:57.13 | nixxie | o_O |
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| 20:57.32 | dvm1981 | paste... Done... I have view it in flood :-) |
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| 20:57.44 | g33k | should I add another source? |
| 20:57.52 | stew | g33k: no |
| 20:57.53 | SimonRaven | um |
| 20:57.56 | g33k | k |
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| 20:59.13 | Justin | nixxie: try sticking lvm on the partition and making a few volumes |
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| 20:59.17 | dvm1981 | When i paste some thing in http://channels.debian.net/paste/ and choose the channel #debian. Where i must go to see the paste msg |
| 20:59.18 | g33k | stew...what now. |
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| 20:59.41 | SperMite | how do i get the little tux log on boot? |
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| 20:59.47 | SperMite | logo* |
| 21:00.03 | SimonRaven | enabling bootlogo |
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| 21:00.23 | SperMite | SimonRaven where do i do that at? |
| 21:00.25 | stew | g33k: did you get another error? |
| 21:00.28 | nixxie | Justin, well, since XFS gives me the same crap on the 10GB partition i think its clearly XFS related, however im debootstrapping sarge on the 10GB ext2 atm and i will look into it more. time to go home anyways:) |
| 21:00.33 | SimonRaven | debian kernels have it on by default IIRC |
| 21:00.44 | SimonRaven | kernel configuration |
| 21:00.50 | SperMite | ok |
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| 21:01.19 | g33k | what command should I run to see if I get an error? |
| 21:01.24 | beardy | dvm1981: When you paste there you get told of the url to your paste, copy it and paste that url in the channel, along with your question when asking. |
| 21:01.37 | reiserfs | no luck either abrotman :(((( |
| 21:01.37 | SimonRaven | s/he did |
| 21:01.48 | SimonRaven | 15:56 paster : "dvm1981" at 84.193.3.140 pasted "Paste test" (3 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/1535 |
| 21:01.57 | abrotman | reiserfs: you can email the debian-kernel mailing list for more ideas .. that exhausts mine .. sorry |
| 21:02.01 | SimonRaven | in #flood |
| 21:02.02 | stew | g33k: if you didn't get th E: foo has no installation candidate this time then it should be fine, try kde again |
| 21:02.12 | abrotman | reiserfs: wait .. have you tried a non-smp kernel ? |
| 21:02.18 | SimonRaven | (this is why i sighed FYI) |
| 21:02.25 | g33k | sorry forgot the command that I got the e: with |
| 21:02.27 | g33k | sorry |
| 21:02.46 | stew | g33k: did you install x? |
| 21:03.06 | aminorex | looks like debian is imploding. lots of dead websites. |
| 21:03.17 | g33k | trying apt-get install kde x-window-system |
| 21:03.23 | g33k | looks like it's working |
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| 21:03.47 | reiserfs | abrotman of course, in fact, I used it with non-smp support until I realise /proc/cpu said Processor 0 |
| 21:03.57 | dvm1981 | beardy : Yes, that i understand, so flood are easyer |
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| 21:04.12 | beardy | dvm1981: To each his own. |
| 21:04.23 | dvm1981 | SimonRaven, Where you have got this information ? |
| 21:04.37 | SimonRaven | in #flood .. |
| 21:04.40 | abrotman | reiserfs: hrm .. i would email the debian-kernel team |
| 21:04.44 | SimonRaven | i said so ^^^ |
| 21:04.45 | reiserfs | So, I have to compile the kern just 'cause smp is not working... What should I do |
| 21:04.49 | abrotman | reiserfs: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/ |
| 21:05.08 | reiserfs | abrotman but, if it's my problem? |
| 21:05.23 | abrotman | reiserfs: they may know a kernel option to pass .. they know more about the kernel than i do :) |
| 21:05.28 | SimonRaven | no, really, i did it by magic ... |
| 21:05.33 | dvm1981 | SimonRaven, Ah yes, you have activate in the preference to show the time of the msg send |
| 21:05.58 | reiserfs | Is it correct to use a -686-smp to a 166 dual PPro, right? |
| 21:06.02 | dvm1981 | SimonRaven, with flood it |
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| 21:06.11 | reiserfs | abrotman I'll do that so |
| 21:06.15 | dvm1981 | SimonRaven, it's easyer |
| 21:06.16 | SimonRaven | whaat? |
| 21:06.17 | eeyore- | hmm, does mysql 5.0 in debian not support ISAM tables any more? |
| 21:06.18 | g33k | stew: display manager? gdm or xdm |
| 21:06.44 | SimonRaven | eeyore-: it does. probably defaults to InnoDb or whatever ... |
| 21:06.53 | Malagmyr | reiserfs: I believe PPro is 586 |
| 21:06.56 | SimonRaven | 'easier' |
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| 21:07.19 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: every time i select * from ISAM table mysql says "can't find file" |
| 21:07.23 | eeyore- | SimonRaven: ideas? |
| 21:07.40 | SimonRaven | none. i try to stay away from mysql |
| 21:07.53 | stew | g33k: /msg dpkg widhe |
| 21:07.58 | eeyore- | crap! |
| 21:08.03 | SimonRaven | www.mysql.com? they have decent docs |
| 21:08.20 | g33k | huh?... /msg? |
| 21:08.22 | eeyore- | i'm trying to mysql_convert_table and that doesn't work either (same 'can't find file' error) |
| 21:08.25 | eeyore- | this is stupid |
| 21:08.27 | stew | !widhe |
| 21:08.28 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 21:08.32 | SimonRaven | in your irc client |
| 21:08.33 | beardy | g33k: I told you.. |
| 21:09.06 | SimonRaven | stew: IT DOESN'T WORK FUX0R!!!111!!11 :P |
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| 21:09.40 | stew | SimonRaven: use reportbug :P |
| 21:09.44 | lunitik | Sane defaults are awesome |
| 21:09.47 | SimonRaven | !annoy stew is <reply>IT DOESN'T WORK FUX0R!!!111!!11 |
| 21:09.47 | dpkg | SimonRaven: okay |
| 21:09.49 | SimonRaven | heheh |
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| 21:10.22 | Kurtism | how the hell do I manually reconfigure my eth0 to be a static IP address in Sarge 3.1a |
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| 21:10.30 | abrotman | !tell Kurtism about interfaces |
| 21:10.33 | stew | Kurtism: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 21:10.36 | SimonRaven | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:10.38 | beardy | Kurtism: man 5 interface |
| 21:10.43 | SimonRaven | s |
| 21:10.44 | beardy | Kurtism: man 5 interfaces |
| 21:10.46 | beardy | yes |
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| 21:10.52 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 21:11.21 | Kurtism | cause I tried to configure it by putting some stuff in /etc/network/interfaces however it didn't work |
| 21:11.28 | Kurtism | iface eth0 inet static |
| 21:11.28 | Kurtism | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.28 | Kurtism | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.28 | Kurtism | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:11.35 | beardy | Kurtism: Then damn.. |
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| 21:11.47 | Kurtism | woops |
| 21:11.56 | beardy | Kurtism: Read the manual and do again. |
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| 21:12.17 | reiserfs | Malagmyr apt-show kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp doesn't say the same :-\ |
| 21:12.39 | stew | Kurtism: what isn't working then? |
| 21:12.47 | dvm1981 | How many line we can paste here before we are ejected ? Less than 4 |
| 21:12.51 | g33k | I'm lost here, I apologize...so should I use gdm or xdm? |
| 21:12.55 | Kurtism | it refused to apply the settings when I restarted |
| 21:12.59 | Kurtism | just had localhost |
| 21:13.00 | stew | g33k: doesn't maatter |
| 21:13.04 | priest | I'm trying to upgrade a Debian Sid box, and something is broken with KDE, is there any easy solutions to this? http://pastebin.com/501464 |
| 21:13.05 | stew | ^aa^a |
| 21:13.14 | g33k | what's the difference |
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| 21:13.25 | Kurtism | it would get DHCP when I took what I added out |
| 21:13.27 | stew | g33k: gdm is probably fancier |
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| 21:13.31 | beardy | dvm1981: Stay at none and you'll be safe. Perhaps you can find out by observing? |
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| 21:13.52 | jelly | g33k: Be macho, use wdm! :-) |
| 21:14.11 | abrotman | stew: the gdm in etch has random themes |
| 21:14.14 | abrotman | err new gdm |
| 21:14.15 | g33k | i'm all over it |
| 21:14.18 | jelly | gdm is for gnomes! |
| 21:14.35 | stew | priest: have you checked the bts? |
| 21:14.55 | g33k | so the xprint thing? resolution don't matter? |
| 21:15.00 | stew | Kurtism: do you have an "auto eth0" line? |
| 21:15.11 | stew | g33k: widhe |
| 21:15.12 | priest | stew, what is bts? |
| 21:15.18 | stew | priest: /msg dpkg btssmite me |
| 21:15.28 | blahdebla1 | priest: Bug Tracking System |
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| 21:16.34 | g33k | ok so now go try at the console see if kde works |
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| 21:16.56 | dvm1981 | beardy, Ok ;-) |
| 21:17.16 | djp | is there an podcast rss aggregator in the debian packages? |
| 21:17.40 | jpriest | has anyone here installed debian over a parallel cdrom, mine is a series 6 microsolutions backpack. |
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| 21:18.19 | beardy | jpriest: Can it boot? |
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| 21:18.25 | dvm1981 | Another little question. I use Xchat here, and like in the CLI i can use the tab to complete the name of someone, but it's end with an ',' |
| 21:18.46 | dvm1981 | the other use ':' |
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| 21:18.56 | beardy | dvm1981: Configure it. |
| 21:19.02 | dvm1981 | Is that important or ... |
| 21:19.02 | csalad | hy |
| 21:19.08 | jpriest | beardy, I managed to get redhat to install with special driver disk.. but I know for sure debian, without modules on a floppy, will not boot into install. |
| 21:19.13 | csalad | i've a quest... |
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| 21:19.28 | csalad | I'm banned from a channel. |
| 21:19.37 | beardy | dvm1981: No, "foo," is as good as "foo:" I guess, : is much more common though. |
| 21:19.37 | csalad | how can i re join to the channel |
| 21:19.48 | eeyore- | hmm, it's been a long time since i compiled any debian package :-p getting a little rusty |
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| 21:19.54 | beardy | csalad: #freenode |
| 21:20.02 | zamaliphe | hi agine |
| 21:20.03 | csalad | ok |
| 21:20.07 | csalad | i go |
| 21:20.09 | csalad | thx |
| 21:20.18 | nima | dvm1981, Settings>Preferances>General>"Input Box" |
| 21:20.23 | zamaliphe | cp -a /mnt/hda13/zam /mnt/hda5/home/ |
| 21:20.25 | dvm1981 | beardy : Yes, thats true. I have look in the options and found it, but its desactivated, but i use it ... |
| 21:20.25 | stew | csalad: don't bother freenode, its not their problem, talk to the operators of the channel |
| 21:20.36 | dvm1981 | nima : thx |
| 21:20.37 | SharkWave | anybody know of a good book for NFS? |
| 21:20.42 | nima | if you want to change it |
| 21:20.50 | csalad | stew: ok |
| 21:20.53 | csalad | stew: thx |
| 21:21.04 | dvm1981 | nima: Done |
| 21:21.08 | zamaliphe | how to overwrite without aske??????????? |
| 21:21.21 | nima | :-) |
| 21:21.22 | zamaliphe | cp: overwrite `/mnt/hda5/home/zam/.qt/qt_plugins_3.1rc'? |
| 21:21.36 | neofutur | zamaliphe: cp -af |
| 21:21.43 | dvm1981 | Just a little thing the option is deactivated and he work :-$ |
| 21:21.45 | neofutur | f = force |
| 21:21.47 | neofutur | no ask |
| 21:21.53 | nima | so whats the differnace between the new gnome, 2.12, and 2.10 |
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| 21:22.22 | zamaliphe | neofutur thanks neofutur i will try that |
| 21:22.35 | beardy | jpriest: If it can't boot, you have to boot from a floppy, as you did with redhat, as I understand it? There are sarge installfloppies. |
| 21:22.36 | csalad | stew: how? |
| 21:22.36 | zamaliphe | neofutur thanks |
| 21:22.43 | stew | csalad: /msg them |
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| 21:23.17 | mpagano | nn/part |
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| 21:23.29 | beardy | jpriest: /msg dpkg sarge floppies |
| 21:23.29 | zamaliphe | cp: overwrite `/mnt/hda5/home/zam/.mc/ini'? |
| 21:23.32 | Kurtism | bladdy hell all I was missing was auto eth0 |
| 21:23.40 | zamaliphe | neofutur cp: overwrite `/mnt/hda5/home/zam/.mc/ini'? |
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| 21:24.05 | beardy | jpriest: Not sure the drivers are there for such a cdrom, you have to read the installguide. /msg dpkg ig |
| 21:24.15 | zamaliphe | didnot work cp -af |
| 21:24.19 | Estes2 | I got a file on my system and i'd like to know which package installed it. any trick ? |
| 21:24.25 | trc | whats up with the "untrusted sources" message lately in some mirrors? is something fishy going on? |
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| 21:24.39 | stew | trc: /msg dpkg apt secure ; /topic |
| 21:24.42 | SimonRaven | !topicsmite trc |
| 21:24.42 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon trc. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:24.46 | jpriest | beardy, thanks |
| 21:25.25 | reiserfs | abrotman thanks for you time! :) |
| 21:25.46 | beardy | Estes2: 'dpkg --search filenamepattern' 'man dpkg' |
| 21:25.57 | Estes2 | beardy, thanks |
| 21:25.58 | neofutur | zamaliphe: cp -af always work for me |
| 21:26.14 | zamaliphe | cp -af /mnt/hda13/zam /mnt/hda5/home/ ???how to wite without aske for cp: overwrite `/mnt/hda5/home/zam/.mc/ini'? |
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| 21:26.32 | neofutur | alias cp |
| 21:26.33 | EricL | Is there anyway to build drivers against a precompiled kernel? |
| 21:26.35 | neofutur | unalias cp |
| 21:26.51 | lunitik | EricL: headers... |
| 21:26.52 | neofutur | perhaps you have an alias for cp = cp -i |
| 21:26.55 | stew | EricL: yes, install the -headers package for your kernel |
| 21:27.05 | stew | EricL: which drivers? what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 21:27.32 | EricL | stew: I need to build the ivtv drivers so I can use my Hauppauge card for MytvTV. |
| 21:27.45 | zamaliphe | still geve me cp: overwrite `/mnt/hda5/home/zam/.mc/ini'? |
| 21:27.55 | roler | can anyone help me with spamassassin+amavisd-new ? does spamd have to be running? My problem is that amavisd is runnign perfectly with postfix (clamav is scanning nicely) but it is not adding tag lines for spam ass, so i'm not sure if it's working or not |
| 21:28.10 | zamaliphe | cp -af /mnt/hda13/zam /mnt/hda5/home/ ???how to wite without aske for cp: overwrite `/mnt/hda5/home/zam/.mc/ini'? |
| 21:28.14 | jelly | where do bugs to packages from volatile go? |
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| 21:28.35 | stew | EricL: yes, they will find the headers in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build if you install the -headers pacakge for your kernel |
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| 21:28.55 | zamaliphe | any on help pleazzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 21:29.01 | zamaliphe | cp -af /mnt/hda13/zam /mnt/hda5/home/ ???how to wite without aske for cp: overwrite `/mnt/hda5/home/zam/.mc/ini'? |
| 21:29.20 | stew | zamaliphe: make sure the files and directories you are overwriting are +w |
| 21:29.20 | jelly | nevermind, I found it. The web page says to use bts for volatile. |
| 21:29.25 | djp | can anyone recommend a podcatcher? |
| 21:29.35 | g33k | stew: I tried startx and it looks to a config file that is empty |
| 21:29.43 | EricL | stew: Thanks. I am used to building kernels from scratch and those headers just being there. |
| 21:29.44 | beardy | !drxx g33k |
| 21:29.44 | dpkg | g33k: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:29.58 | nima | new gnome sucks |
| 21:30.17 | roler | can anyone help me with spamassassin+amavisd-new ? does spamd have to be running? My problem is that amavisd is runnign perfectly with postfix (clamav is scanning nicely) but it is not adding tag lines for spam ass, so i'm not sure if it's working or not |
| 21:30.18 | zamaliphe | how tel me stew /?? |
| 21:30.26 | stew | g33k: "touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 " then "/msg dpkg xmd5 " and follow the instructions there, then "/msg dpkg drxx" and follow the instructions there |
| 21:30.36 | stew | !wikifaq zamaliphe Permissions |
| 21:30.36 | dpkg | zamaliphe: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:31.38 | starfishy | if it was a permissions issue the message would be permission denied, not cp asking whether to overwrite, no? |
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| 21:32.17 | Silent_al | hi again ,whats the command to run ie6 on wine after installing it with ies4linux script? :) , btw ,starfishy u da man |
| 21:32.25 | g33k | so you think I should use ati or vesa? |
| 21:32.30 | starfishy | thanks |
| 21:32.49 | nima | g3, probably ati if you have an ati card |
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| 21:33.16 | nima | g33k, ^^^ |
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| 21:33.37 | beardy | Silent_al: Ask the one that wrote it. |
| 21:33.40 | eeyore- | had to downgrade to mysql 4.1 to get it back up and running. crap. |
| 21:33.52 | beardy | Silent_al: (who would want that..) |
| 21:34.00 | eeyore- | ok everyone, upgrading to mysql 5.x is risky now, if you had older ISAM tables. maybe this should be on the /topic |
| 21:34.14 | starfishy | silent_al: wasnt it something like |
| 21:34.38 | starfishy | wine "c:\Program Files\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\iexplorer.exe" |
| 21:34.39 | starfishy | ? |
| 21:34.49 | g33k | how do I get the bus identifier? |
| 21:34.49 | starfishy | the disk is in .wine/fake_windows |
| 21:34.50 | hborger | artsd is running on localhost, listening on port 16001. I am logged into remotehost with ssh -X and run xmms/amarok/etc. Audio on localhost works perfectly, (ARTS_SERVER=localhost:16001-from localhost). While I am logged into remotehost with ssh -X, I start xmms or any other sound app which uses artsd output plugins, I play anything, and it isn't able to connect to the sound server on localhost. on the remotehost, ARTS_SERVER=192.168. |
| 21:34.50 | hborger | 1.2(ip of the localhost mahine):16001 exists. I cannot get audio from remotehost to be sent over the network to localhost mahine. (machines are NOT named remotehost/localhost, instead /etc/hosts contains entries so i refer to these machiens as laptop(remotehost) and desktop(localhost)) |
| 21:34.54 | hborger | any help would be appreciated |
| 21:34.59 | starfishy | just look what directory iexplorer.exe is in |
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| 21:35.22 | zamaliphe | ya gayes it works i forget that i have copy the fils win iam root |
| 21:35.33 | xaxes|free | @poofn |
| 21:35.34 | starfishy | hborger: ssh isnt magic |
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| 21:35.45 | Silent_al | starfishy, wine: cannot find 'c:\Pro.... |
| 21:35.53 | starfishy | if you are logged into the remote system it cannot access any daemon or such on the local system |
| 21:35.58 | hborger | starfishy, I knew it had something to do with ssh |
| 21:36.07 | starfishy | Silent_al: go into .wine/fake-windows |
| 21:36.08 | samo_ | hi everybody |
| 21:36.10 | hborger | starfishy, how can I make it so that it does |
| 21:36.14 | starfishy | that would be c:\ |
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| 21:36.24 | starfishy | and look where exactly wine installed the executable |
| 21:36.32 | starfishy | hborger: you can't |
| 21:36.34 | hborger | starfishy, .wine/c_drive !== .wine/fake_windows |
| 21:36.39 | starfishy | you are only tunneling the X protocol |
| 21:36.41 | g33k | stew: how do I find out the vid cards bus identifier for this config |
| 21:36.42 | dvm1981 | Why i must run 'vmware-config.pl' all the time i reboot the computer to use VMware ? |
| 21:36.50 | hborger | starfishy, how can i tunnel the other stuff |
| 21:36.52 | starfishy | hborger: i stand corrected |
| 21:36.54 | stew | g33k: unless you have more than one card or are on a mac, leave it blank |
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| 21:37.00 | stew | g33k: same for the amount of ram |
| 21:37.07 | starfishy | you are trying to access properties on two systems at the same time |
| 21:37.09 | g33k | k |
| 21:37.19 | samo_ | i am trying to install the jre and it says all over google i need java-package installed - i tried apt-cache search java-package and it doesnt find it, any idea ? |
| 21:37.27 | hborger | man this sucks |
| 21:37.27 | hborger | :( |
| 21:37.35 | stew | samo_: its in contrib /msg dpkg contrib |
| 21:37.37 | starfishy | what i would do is mount the directory with your sound files from the remote system to the local box and then run xmms locally |
| 21:37.43 | hborger | is there no way I can have ssh do artd traffic as well |
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| 21:38.00 | starfishy | not that i know of, that would be a huge security hole |
| 21:38.03 | hborger | starfishy, I know I can do that, I have nfs(rw) client/server setup on both machines |
| 21:38.04 | samo_ | stew can u tell me to install it from there ? is that a web address ? thank you |
| 21:38.07 | dvm1981 | samo_: modify the file /etc/apt/source.list |
| 21:38.17 | g33k | keyboard options? |
| 21:38.20 | starfishy | access to daemons on a different system than your application is running on |
| 21:38.22 | g33k | just hit enter? |
| 21:38.22 | samo_ | to add what stew mentionned ? |
| 21:38.25 | stew | !tell samo_ about contrib |
| 21:38.32 | dvm1981 | samo_: yes |
| 21:38.38 | starfishy | hborger: then thats definitely the way to go |
| 21:38.39 | hborger | starfishy, if there is a need for it, its probably already done |
| 21:38.47 | sandman | Is there a way to check all binaries on a debian installation to see if they are corrupted? |
| 21:38.53 | samo_ | thanks to you both, will try |
| 21:38.53 | sandman | Like something that does md5suming or something? |
| 21:39.00 | dvm1981 | !tell dvm1981 about contrib |
| 21:39.00 | stew | sandman: debsums |
| 21:39.11 | logg | hello, i have a question about smbmount. can I get it to serve up symlinks as directories ? |
| 21:39.15 | stew | dvm1981: you can /msg the bot directly |
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| 21:39.37 | dvm1981 | stew : How i must be do ? |
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| 21:39.41 | hborger | starfishy, the internet does NOT connect to my local network at all, local network is all private never hooked up the internet. security here isn't an issue for, and I would really like to find a way to use ssh to forward arts traffic as well, is it possible even though it maybe a security hole |
| 21:39.44 | g33k | What should I use for the mouse port? |
| 21:39.53 | abrotman | /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice |
| 21:40.08 | stew | dvm1981: there are too many verbs and not enough objects in that sentence |
| 21:40.10 | zamaliphe | but how to change the Permissions for all the home dir to be +777 |
| 21:40.21 | stew | g33k: /dev/psaux |
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| 21:40.32 | stew | zamaliphe: you don't want to do that |
| 21:40.40 | starfishy | hborger: its not a question of your private security requirements |
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| 21:40.52 | dvm1981 | stew : Ok i see more one it ... |
| 21:40.59 | dvm1981 | time after time ... |
| 21:41.23 | starfishy | ssh is made to be secure and allowing access to daemons on the local system from applications running on the remote system would be a security hole |
| 21:41.23 | dvm1981 | that's great here :-) |
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| 21:41.49 | zamaliphe | stew i must do that |
| 21:42.01 | stew | zamaliphe: why? |
| 21:42.02 | starfishy | if you run the app in ssh -X it physically is running on the remote system |
| 21:42.08 | starfishy | and has access to the resources of that system |
| 21:42.21 | starfishy | which is why i suggested running locally |
| 21:42.47 | samo | sorry again, contrib /msg dpkg contrib doesnrt look like any other line in sources.list - what must i add exactely ? |
| 21:43.04 | stew | samo: in your sources.list, where it says "main" make it say "main contrib" |
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| 21:43.26 | samo | ah ok thanks |
| 21:43.34 | rambo3 | crazy thing this linux |
| 21:43.53 | zamaliphe | the home dir is not +W meen i canot creat any file when im not a root stew !!!! |
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| 21:43.55 | Solet | hey does debian have a program that will rip a dvd into its iso regardless if it has a (c) seal on it? |
| 21:44.23 | pipeline | Solet: DVD's are frequently encrypted. You have to have libdvdcss to decrypt them in order to play or copy them. If you're in the U.S., it's not legal. |
| 21:44.25 | zamaliphe | how to do it |
| 21:44.31 | stew | zamaliphe: yes, if you need multiple people to have write access to a directory make it 775 and owned by a group that both users are in |
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| 21:44.43 | nixxie | haah! grub doesn't install on 3TB disks? |
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| 21:45.19 | zamaliphe | chmod -af 775 /home |
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| 21:45.40 | zamaliphe | chmod -af +775 /home stew ???????? |
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| 21:45.56 | smacnay | has anyone heard of a console .ps file viewer? Or does one need to convert ps to some format (graphic) readable by fbi or zgv? |
| 21:45.57 | johey | After my last upgrade, I cannot start X. /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 is missing. |
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| 21:46.31 | MDS | can i use nforce sound chip and a sound card at the same time (for the teamspeak-game conflict)? |
| 21:46.53 | hborger | starfishy, is there another way I can start applications on the remote machine, other than say ssh -X? like say not even though ssh, just run a vnc server on it, or maybe use another protocol like xdmcp perhaps? i mean there HAS to be a way that its possible to forward audio traffic ove the netowrk, thats like a basic need lol heeh |
| 21:47.00 | smacnay | johey: did your system change to Xorg? |
| 21:47.01 | johey | MDS: If your motherboard allows. |
| 21:47.14 | johey | smacnay: Not what I know. |
| 21:47.41 | rambo3 | i am setting up serial laplink with debian potato on 486 laptop . and while connection i get this error on server side : Peer is not authorized to use remote address 192.168.0.2 . laptop doesnt have any ip assigned . what to do |
| 21:48.02 | stew | zamaliphe: no. why doed your user need to write into other people's home directories in the first place? |
| 21:48.04 | Azar | interesting read at linux-watch: http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8432548714.html |
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| 21:48.37 | beardy | rambo3: serial or laplink, which is it? laplink is the paralellport |
| 21:48.44 | rambo3 | serial |
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| 21:48.49 | hborger | is it possible to have remote machine's Xserver connect and run in local machine's monitor on alt+f8, while local machin's Xserver also runs and uses the same monitor but runs in alt+f7 |
| 21:49.13 | rambo3 | i thought that laplink stands for latptop link , my bad |
| 21:49.27 | beardy | rambo3: You mean a slip connection, since you're talking about an ip adress? |
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| 21:50.05 | rambo3 | http://www.linux.com/howtos/Serial-Laplink-HOWTO/index.shtml is the tutorial that i used |
| 21:50.19 | zamaliphe | i have copy the home dir when im root so it bekame root acsses only |
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| 21:51.02 | g33k | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.07 | johey | smacnay: How can I check if I accidentely have installed xorg? |
| 21:51.11 | stew | !drxx g33k |
| 21:51.11 | dpkg | g33k: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 21:52.01 | rambo3 | would xserver-* work |
| 21:52.07 | zamaliphe | ther is one acount in the home dir at the thcound palse me |
| 21:52.33 | zamaliphe | but i cant acsess to it |
| 21:52.57 | Azar | rambo3 do you use Debian? |
| 21:53.07 | beardy | Azar: He said he was. |
| 21:53.19 | rambo3 | yeah potato |
| 21:53.32 | zamaliphe | i need to gev +775 to all dirs in /home/zam |
| 21:53.36 | cees | Someone help me. I can not open/play files from windows volume with Samba. I must copy the file to my disk. :-( |
| 21:53.40 | stew | rambo3: no -* wouldn't work there |
| 21:53.42 | zamaliphe | how to do it |
| 21:54.06 | Azar | rambo3 if you need tutorial help : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 21:54.22 | stew | zamaliphe: find /home/zam -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 775 |
| 21:54.51 | johey | How do I choose between XFree86 and xorg? |
| 21:54.52 | beardy | rambo3: I haven't done a slip connection, so what I can help you with might not be that much help.. but, you say that it doesn't have an address assigned? Sounds like that is what you should do then, assign it an ip? |
| 21:54.55 | eleftherios | what is the naming convention for the localised debian channels on freenode? Is it debian-<country code>? |
| 21:55.01 | stew | Azar: that is not going to help him with a slip connection |
| 21:55.02 | Azar | rabmo3.. that only because you mentioned that link earlier.. no pun intended |
| 21:55.11 | dvm1981 | Why i must run 'vmware-config.pl' to configure VMWare all the time i reboot the computer to use VMware ? |
| 21:55.17 | kspath | any created a honey net where it appears to be an entire network of many hosts ? |
| 21:55.22 | Azar | stew, I know, was not related to his question.. |
| 21:55.23 | stew | eleftherios: usually but not always |
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| 21:55.32 | zamaliphe | the home dir is /mnt/hda5/home/zam |
| 21:55.36 | stew | !wikifaq eleftherios OtherChannels |
| 21:55.36 | dpkg | eleftherios: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherChannels or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:55.45 | beardy | Azar: When you don't have a good answer, it's better to be quiet. |
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| 21:55.48 | rambo3 | beardy with /etc/ppp/ip-ip or how |
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| 21:56.18 | beardy | rambo3: As I said, I don't know, but something like that yes. |
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| 21:56.27 | cindie | how do i give my wireless nick card a client host name? |
| 21:56.32 | rambo3 | ok thanks for the help |
| 21:56.34 | eleftherios | stew, we're a few people at #debian.gr but we think that following the convention (and thus using #debian-el) would help people find us easier since the german channel is debian-de and the brazilian debian-br |
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| 21:56.48 | Azar | beardy that was as reply for < rambo3> http://www.linux.com/howtos/Serial-Laplink-HOWTO/index.shtml is the tutorial that i used |
| 21:56.49 | beardy | rambo3: If it isn't covered in that tutorial, perhaps ppp's documentation can help you? |
| 21:56.55 | diana | eleftherios: It's basically anyone does anything...so if I want to start a channel for mongolia..I just /join #debian-mongolia.the.country |
| 21:57.03 | diana | Or whatever I want to name the channel |
| 21:57.12 | stew | eleftherios: the other german channel is #debian.de |
| 21:57.15 | eleftherios | diana, sure, I know that |
| 21:57.17 | beardy | Azar: So what did the reference have to do with that? |
| 21:57.39 | eleftherios | diana, I was just wondering whether there is a consistent naming convention :-) |
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| 21:58.40 | Azar | beardy it contains general info on hardware compatibility basics |
| 21:58.46 | Malagmyr | greycat on bash! |
| 21:59.05 | beardy | rambo3: This might be helpful? http://stp.ling.uu.se/~perweij/priv/main/debian_slip.xml |
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| 21:59.19 | Azar | beardy, quote: "If you have a laptop PC check Linux on Laptops for installation pointers by brand and model" |
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| 21:59.34 | dvm1981 | Someone experience with VMWare ? |
| 21:59.36 | beardy | Azar: You haven't a clue on what he was asking. |
| 21:59.43 | stew | eleftherios: do you know how to alter the bot factoids, you should alter the gr factoid and add instructions in greek about how to find your channel |
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| 21:59.48 | Azar | ok beardy, you win |
| 22:00.01 | elessar7x | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `init/main.o', needed by `init/built-in.o'. |
| 22:00.11 | zamaliphe | cd /mnt/hda5/home ; xargs -0 chmod 775 stew is that right |
| 22:00.12 | phogg | dvm1981: you'll never know unless you ask a vmware-related question |
| 22:00.26 | elessar7x | while compiling I get this error, any idea ? |
| 22:00.32 | stew | zamaliphe: no |
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| 22:00.33 | dvm1981 | Why i must run 'vmware-config.pl' to configure VMWare all the time i reboot the computer to use VMware ? |
| 22:00.36 | eleftherios | stew, no but I will google it |
| 22:00.50 | eleftherios | stew, if there is such info on google |
| 22:00.54 | stew | !gr is also for help in greek try #debian.gr |
| 22:00.54 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 22:00.55 | zamaliphe | ok help stew] |
| 22:01.06 | stew | eleftherios: what i just did, but do the same actually in greek |
| 22:01.11 | cisee | dvm1981: you shouldn't have to, something is wrong with your config, did you use the any-any patch ? |
| 22:01.25 | dvm1981 | x |
| 22:01.25 | dvm1981 | cj |
| 22:01.33 | stew | 16:57 < stew> zamaliphe: find /home/zam -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 775 |
| 22:01.35 | dvm1981 | cisee: what is it ? |
| 22:01.52 | cisee | dvm1981: it's a patch to make vmware work on unsupported os's, if you didn't use it don't worry about it |
| 22:02.02 | eleftherios | stew, cheers |
| 22:02.12 | beardy | rambo3: Or perhaps not.. which kernels are the machines running? |
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| 22:02.22 | adii | what means "nutting on" (someone something) , must be slang thing |
| 22:02.33 | dvm1981 | cisee: My Vmware work but i must constant run vmwareconfig.pl when i reboot |
| 22:02.35 | eleftherios | !gr gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el |
| 22:02.43 | stew | adii: ejeculate on |
| 22:02.48 | eleftherios | !gr |
| 22:02.49 | dpkg | gr is, like, Greece, or General Relativity, or General Resolution, or for help in greek try #debian.gr |
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| 22:02.53 | adii | o really :x* |
| 22:02.54 | eleftherios | hm |
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| 22:03.05 | stew | !gr is also gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el |
| 22:03.05 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 22:03.11 | eleftherios | oh |
| 22:03.21 | eleftherios | !gr |
| 22:03.21 | dpkg | i guess gr is Greece, or General Relativity, or General Resolution, or for help in greek try #debian.gr, or gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el |
| 22:03.26 | cisee | dvm1981: why must you constantly run it, you're being very vague |
| 22:03.30 | eleftherios | !el |
| 22:03.38 | zamaliphe | oky sew : find /mnt/hda5/home/zam -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 775 |
| 22:03.57 | stew | eleftherios: should el say the same? what is el? |
| 22:03.59 | phogg | adii: it is. If someone has nothing on someone else, it means they provide no advantage over and above that someone else. That is, their skills do not exceed the other persons. |
| 22:04.01 | eleftherios | stew, hm, the actuall ISO country code is 'el' therefore we should set !el as well |
| 22:04.03 | rambo3 | beardy i think that link works . kernel 2.2 and 2.6 |
| 22:04.10 | stew | !el is <reply> see gr |
| 22:04.10 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 22:04.18 | eleftherios | !el |
| 22:04.18 | dpkg | [gr] Greece, or General Relativity, or General Resolution, or for help in greek try #debian.gr, or gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el |
| 22:04.28 | beardy | rambo3: Hmm, that link was about slip though, you were running ppp, weren't you? |
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| 22:04.55 | philverb | Zaurus uses debian, doesn't it? |
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| 22:05.10 | starfishy | yes |
| 22:05.12 | eleftherios | stew, for reasons hard to explain 'gr' does not make sense in the 'el' context. Shall I shorten it to a version without 'gr' names? |
| 22:05.16 | zamaliphe | thanks alot stew |
| 22:05.18 | zamaliphe | thanks alot stew |
| 22:05.25 | philverb | I'm just now installing Debian for the first time in a VM. |
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| 22:05.50 | eleftherios | !el is also gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el |
| 22:05.50 | dpkg | eleftherios: okay |
| 22:05.54 | eleftherios | !el |
| 22:05.57 | ShiShi | hello all |
| 22:06.08 | zamaliphe | thanks alot evry one i have never see god help like that |
| 22:06.08 | stew | !no gr is for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el |
| 22:06.08 | eleftherios | !el |
| 22:06.08 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 22:06.25 | zamaliphe | by |
| 22:06.28 | dvm1981 | Whe i start the computer i must run 'vmware-config.pl' with root user the get workking my VMWare. Why i should do that ? |
| 22:06.29 | eleftherios | stew, :-) |
| 22:06.38 | eleftherios | !el |
| 22:06.46 | zamaliphe | thanks thanks thankes |
| 22:06.49 | ShiShi | my debian 2.6 kernel can't boot on my Vaio FS90S it hang at pcmcia service with cs:IO port probe 0x800-0x8ff |
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| 22:07.00 | ShiShi | someone already see this error ? |
| 22:07.02 | stew | eleftherios: i fixed it in /msg |
| 22:07.13 | rambo3 | yes . and i have no idea what slip is . some PPP like program , lib ? anyway i ll try slip now |
| 22:07.21 | eleftherios | stew, thank you |
| 22:07.32 | stew | !slip |
| 22:07.33 | dpkg | methinks slip is (Serial Line Internet Protocol) A protocol used to connect your computer to the Internet using serial connection. |
| 22:07.34 | beardy | rambo3: SerialLineIP |
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| 22:09.30 | deadcat | i am having problem sending mail out via postfix with sbcglobal yahoo ISP. anyone else? |
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| 22:10.57 | beardy | rambo3: Read that entire page before you start, and especially the Updates section. Good luck. |
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| 22:13.17 | dvm1981 | Whe i start the computer i must run 'vmware-config.pl' with root user the get workking my VMWare. Why i should do that ? |
| 22:13.30 | Doe | hi guys, ive installed debian 3.1 w/ 3 nic cards setup for dhcp, they obtain their public ips just fine, but they seem to be clashing when all 3 up at the same time, like they are all trying to be the default connection, is there someway to set one as default so they dont clash ? |
| 22:13.44 | diana | How come most people don't use debian on servers...and they use RHEL or SLES...Like IBM uses mostly RHEL or SLES...why don't they use debian...is it a money thing that Redhat/Novell pay these hardware vendors to use it? |
| 22:13.52 | rambo3 | thanks will do that |
| 22:14.11 | cisee | Doe: route add default gw <ip> |
| 22:14.11 | SimonRaven | dvm1981: #vmware, or ask your vendor support |
| 22:14.31 | dvm1981 | SimonRaven: thx |
| 22:14.35 | dvm1981 | joj |
| 22:14.36 | Doe | thank you cisee |
| 22:14.58 | dvm1981 | oeps |
| 22:15.43 | benjamindees | diana, lots of reasons, but no good ones... |
| 22:16.31 | stew | diana: some organizations use rhel becuase they can buy support from redhat |
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| 22:17.12 | SimonRaven | apache servers on debian are hitting the top though (according to netcraft anyway) |
| 22:17.34 | abrotman | there are also a lot of legacy RH servers out there |
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| 22:17.41 | Doe | worked like a charm, thanks again cisee :) |
| 22:17.43 | [-oskar-] | hi |
| 22:17.50 | SimonRaven | too many.... *shudder* |
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| 22:18.10 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you didn't buy a copy of RH9 ? |
| 22:18.34 | diana | stew: But doesn't RHEL support suck...they say they'll help you..but most of the time you end up fixing it yourself..and a company who uses RHEL will just force their IT to get RHEL certified and pay Redhat more money. |
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| 22:18.39 | [-oskar-] | did someone have a problem with X under debian/unstable ? I just upgrade X and X don't work.. |
| 22:18.55 | blondie | [-oskar-]: yes, you apparently |
| 22:18.59 | SimonRaven | no. why would i? eew |
| 22:19.26 | [-oskar-] | tkanks for this answer ... |
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| 22:19.39 | SimonRaven | why buy something i'm not going to use? |
| 22:19.41 | cisee | [-oskar-]: why isn't it working ? |
| 22:20.17 | Frem | Is there a way to make nethack use the arrow keys instead of the HJKL thing? |
| 22:20.21 | [-oskar-] | after upgrading the latest packages, X and all my screen seems to freeze |
| 22:20.30 | bucky | Debian is currently the fastest growing Linux distribution for web servers |
| 22:20.31 | bucky | http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/12/05/strong_growth_for_debian.html |
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| 22:20.34 | cisee | what does the x log say ? |
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| 22:21.01 | starfishy | bucky: after looking at some of the alternatives I have to say that doesnt surprise me :) |
| 22:21.40 | bucky | if a corporation wants 24 hour support and debian they should use progeny |
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| 22:22.15 | bucky | http://www.progeny.com/customers/customers.htm |
| 22:22.23 | stew | diana: i dunno. i haven't heard one way or the ohter. also note that rh is quicker to respond to security issues than debian |
| 22:22.47 | Frem | RedHat also has newer software then Debian. |
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| 22:23.04 | abrotman | liar |
| 22:23.11 | Frem | In stable? |
| 22:23.14 | cisee | stew: faster? rarely |
| 22:23.22 | abrotman | Frem: compared to .. RHEL4 ? |
| 22:23.25 | cisee | maybe with bullshit vulns |
| 22:23.26 | paxl | What scp option make scp intelligent [ IE dont copy perpetualy symlink ? ] |
| 22:23.26 | Gathond | Frem: I doubt that applies to RHEL, fedora probably |
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| 22:23.53 | bucky | who can afford RHEL ? |
| 22:23.53 | i2501 | i changed my laptop with someone else just to install and use debian... |
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| 22:23.58 | i2501 | debian is nice... :D |
| 22:24.05 | beardy | paxl: The manual should tell you? |
| 22:24.05 | stew | cisee: its true. even the debian security team has said this |
| 22:24.06 | kreig | is there an amd64 specific hcannel? |
| 22:24.22 | kreig | having some kernel boot problems |
| 22:24.27 | paxl | beardy: if it was.. I woudn't ask it ther |
| 22:24.27 | abrotman | !tell kreig about amd64 |
| 22:24.28 | paxl | :) |
| 22:24.30 | cisee | stew: i haven't seen it |
| 22:24.38 | bucky | kreig: #debian-amd64 |
| 22:24.39 | beardy | paxl: Really? That's good. |
| 22:24.40 | cisee | wouldn't surprise me, i mean you pay for it |
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| 22:24.43 | kreig | thanx |
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| 22:25.59 | beardy | paxl: "perpetualy"? Do you mean you want it to follow symlinks, or not? |
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| 22:26.40 | [-oskar-] | cisee, ok, i found the problem, the i810 driver is broken.. |
| 22:26.58 | doublehp_ | I have an ISA sound card which seems to have an IDE port. snd driver is opl3sa2; udev on linux 2.6 did not discover any additionnal IDE disk. How to probe deeper ? |
| 22:27.03 | paxl | beardy: I don't want him to follow symlink |
| 22:27.13 | paxl | since It will copy perpetualy.. |
| 22:27.15 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 22:27.15 | dpkg | [isapnp] a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump, or http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ |
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| 22:27.40 | LillDude_10 | when you install nvida drivers is there a auto update tool? |
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| 22:28.27 | chealer | LillDude_10: how are you installing them? |
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| 22:28.42 | LillDude_10 | i32 drives ./ install em |
| 22:28.51 | LillDude_10 | hoiw else can i get em |
| 22:28.56 | diana | Why is Fedora and Redhat seperate linux distros on netcraft? |
| 22:28.59 | chealer | LillDude_10: what? |
| 22:29.13 | diana | Is "Redhat" Redhat 9 and lower...and RHEL... and Fedora is any Fedora Core? |
| 22:29.14 | LillDude_10 | how else can u install em |
| 22:29.20 | abrotman | diana: because they are seperate |
| 22:29.25 | diana | Fedora Core is just a big beta test for RHEL...why aren't they listed together |
| 22:29.28 | FromTO | I am trying to figure out what font the gnome terminal uses using xfontsel. I have set up my terminal to use Comic Sans MS. Does anyone know the true name of the font |
| 22:29.36 | sandman | Is there a network automatic configuration tool like that in the Debian installer? |
| 22:29.40 | abrotman | diana: because you don't pay for fedora .. and RHEL |
| 22:29.40 | hynek | anyone has problem with new gnome in unstable? seems like 2.12 version is missing.. |
| 22:29.44 | abrotman | "has more testing" |
| 22:29.55 | diana | damn Redhat |
| 22:29.57 | chealer | !tell LillDude_10 about nvidia-howto |
| 22:29.57 | hynek | 2.12 version of panel is missing |
| 22:30.16 | diana | Redhat could release a linux that tries to emulate Windows ME and people would run and flock to go use it. |
| 22:30.27 | diana | Their name is so powerful...people just bend over and take what they dish out. |
| 22:31.15 | bucky | that would be like PCLinuxOS.. which is based on mandrivel |
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| 22:32.15 | grendal_prime | abrotman, i got two email servers, both have the same user on each one...myguy now will the bayes filtering work correctly if i just copy my .spamassassin folder from one server to the other? |
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| 22:32.31 | diana | All those dumb people who use Fedora...it's a freaken beta test...Redhat has so many people beta testing for them...so they can stabalize RHEL and make money off their enterprise customers. |
| 22:32.35 | abrotman | grendal_prime: no idea . i don't use SA |
| 22:32.41 | diana | !start a distro war |
| 22:32.41 | grendal_prime | cause it seems as though its not |
| 22:32.41 | dpkg | Gentoo owns! |
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| 22:32.48 | Heroin | hi all |
| 22:32.53 | Heroin | i need some help |
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| 22:33.06 | diana | Heroin: I doubt anyone can help you if you don't ask a question. |
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| 22:33.15 | diana | !tell Heroin about ask |
| 22:33.27 | bucky | Heroin: thought about narcotics anonymous? |
| 22:33.34 | grendal_prime | herion the more you play with it the bigger it gets |
| 22:33.35 | Heroin | no :P |
| 22:33.41 | Heroin | its big |
| 22:33.48 | Heroin | but iam looking for a server distro |
| 22:33.53 | grendal_prime | debian |
| 22:34.03 | Heroin | ... |
| 22:34.03 | grendal_prime | no go play with your big self |
| 22:34.04 | grendal_prime | hahaha |
| 22:34.07 | Heroin | d00d |
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| 22:34.25 | Heroin | just download the standert debian iso and install it? |
| 22:34.25 | Knight_Lord2 | How can i create a ram disk in debian (sarge)? |
| 22:34.29 | stew | Heroin: /msg dpkg ig ; /msg dpkg why debian ; /msg dpkg enter |
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| 22:34.41 | bucky | !tell Heroin about d-i |
| 22:34.41 | Knight_Lord2 | I need it to run some tests with software raid |
| 22:34.45 | Heroin | i dont wanne message a bot |
| 22:34.57 | jason | can someone please tell me the command for deleting a directory in debian? |
| 22:35.04 | stew | !tell Heroin about ig |
| 22:35.09 | bucky | Heroin: get the netinstall iso http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 22:35.12 | cisee | jason: rmdir or rm -rf |
| 22:35.13 | Knight_Lord2 | I'm guessing it must be fairly easy, i just have no idea where to look |
| 22:35.18 | grendal_prime | jason..windows guy? |
| 22:35.19 | diana | jason: rmdir the_directory_here |
| 22:35.29 | jason | no...i amnot a windows guy at all |
| 22:35.34 | diana | jason: If the directory isn't empty... "rm -r directory" |
| 22:35.36 | Knight_Lord2 | jason the rm -rf will also remove the contects |
| 22:35.48 | diana | Don't use -f unless you have to...that is bad practive. |
| 22:35.50 | jason | its just that there's little documentation on basic debian commands and i left my book at home |
| 22:35.51 | diana | practice* |
| 22:35.56 | benjamindees | diana, there's only about 200 people in #fedora, 800 here and 600 in #ubuntu, so I wouldn't worry too much :) |
| 22:36.06 | Knight_Lord2 | jason there's a very usefull command called man |
| 22:36.22 | bucky | jason and apropos |
| 22:36.22 | Knight_Lord2 | jason man rm will give lots of details (more than you probably want) |
| 22:36.42 | diana | benjamindees: yea, but these people are hobbyists...not corporations. |
| 22:36.54 | Heroin | Why everytime i wanne try linux i get cockslapped |
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| 22:37.06 | diana | benjamindees: IBM ships almost all SLES or RHEL. so do most big businesses. |
| 22:37.15 | diana | It's like Redhat is paying people to use their software. |
| 22:37.16 | Knight_Lord2 | Anyone for my creating of RAM disks questions? I don't' even know if the device is /dev/ramX or /dev/rd/X |
| 22:37.19 | jason | what does recursive in rm-r mean? |
| 22:37.27 | abrotman | diana: IBM will support whatever you want .. if you pay enough |
| 22:37.31 | joeyy | i need help could u look at my site http://nsevil.mypets.ws and tell me whats wrong with the html |
| 22:37.37 | abrotman | !y |
| 22:37.37 | dpkg | methinks y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 22:37.39 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:37.46 | abrotman | joeyy: #web |
| 22:37.46 | Knight_Lord2 | jason it means it deletes what you pass as argument and everything inside it (but it ddoesn't follow simlinks) |
| 22:38.31 | diana | joeyy: Try #html or #apache |
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| 22:38.45 | jason | okay...thx..i am trying to install apache2 and php4 |
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| 22:39.13 | diana | jason: "apt-get install apache2 php4" |
| 22:39.17 | diana | jason: type this as root. |
| 22:39.35 | diana | jason: Then start your favorite web browser, and go to http://localhost and be proud because you just installed a web server. |
| 22:39.42 | jason | diana, the php4 directions to say only to install specific files for php4... |
| 22:39.53 | benjamindees | diana, unfortunately, corporations like salespeople and marketing more than quality software |
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| 22:40.05 | Heroin | Look can some one assist me, i wanne start a server on a 400mhz pos p2 computer and i wanne use a linux distro for it.. iam wondering if debian is a good choice.. and it needs to be lite.. if no one can help me can someone please suggest an alternative light server distro |
| 22:40.22 | stew | !tell Heroin about why debian |
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| 22:40.33 | Heroin | stew U tell me |
| 22:40.34 | jason | diana, my webserver says access forbidden |
| 22:40.40 | Heroin | i dont wanne talk with some dumb ass bot |
| 22:40.53 | Heroin | if u dont know.. then just dont say |
| 22:40.54 | diana | !insult Heroin |
| 22:40.55 | dpkg | Heroin is nothing but a spongy mass of left-over gunk |
| 22:41.09 | Heroin | !counterinsult diana |
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| 22:41.19 | Heroin | diana is a slut |
| 22:41.29 | stew | Heroin: stop it |
| 22:41.33 | stat | *_* |
| 22:41.40 | [Cadet] | Debian "Just works" |
| 22:41.42 | Heroin | ok so no one can help me? |
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| 22:41.52 | d0uglas | on a simple sarge or etch install with 2.6.12, is watchdog or an equivilant fired up by default? |
| 22:42.09 | odb | heroin: take a look on distrowatch.com |
| 22:42.09 | cisee | no |
| 22:42.10 | stew | Heroin: of course we are going to recommend debian, the bot is filled with good links, you should read them, if you have a more specific question, then ask it |
| 22:42.14 | Malagmyr | Heroin: Debian, and most other distros, can be as light as you need them to |
| 22:42.15 | tosh | anyone got any experience with gps receivers using serial? I have a GM-305 here and I want to see if I can get any data from it |
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| 22:43.22 | stew | tosh: i've had no trouble with 2 different garmin models |
| 22:43.25 | diana | Heroin: There are probably hundreds of people like you who come in here everyday...and they say "Should I use Debian" There is no simple answer to this...and don't expect one...either use it or don't. It's that simple. |
| 22:43.37 | jason | i installed apache2, and it says access forbidden..should i just reinstall debian? |
| 22:43.48 | d0uglas | yes |
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| 22:43.54 | Malagmyr | Heroin: Apart from reading what dpkg says or, god forbid, testing Debian for yourself, there's little other you can do to figure out if it suits your needs or not |
| 22:43.55 | d0uglas | cut your losses bro |
| 22:43.55 | diana | Heroin: Any linux distro would be good on a slower computer. Just don't install X and disable unecessary services. |
| 22:44.00 | eleftherios | jason, ?? |
| 22:44.02 | tosh | stew how do I test to see if this thing is alive? |
| 22:44.17 | Malagmyr | Heroin: If you know how, it can be customized to almost any purpose, I can tell you that much. |
| 22:44.23 | Heroin | 816 people and no one can help me?? |
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| 22:44.40 | Malagmyr | Heroin: are you deaf? |
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| 22:44.42 | stew | Heroin: you need to ask a more specific question if you want better results |
| 22:44.44 | Heroin | yes |
| 22:44.45 | bucky | Heroin: if you can't figure out how to go to http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and dl the netinstall iso and burn it then you shouldn't be running debian |
| 22:44.48 | jason | d0uglas, cause i installed apache2 from source, but i didn't say ./configure --enable so |
| 22:44.52 | Malagmyr | Heroin: and blind? |
| 22:44.55 | Heroin | no |
| 22:45.08 | stew | tosh: what have you tried? |
| 22:45.10 | jason | so i removed apache2, and now that installed apche for apt, it says access forbidden |
| 22:45.13 | Malagmyr | Heroin: then read what these people said... or ask a more specific question. |
| 22:45.14 | diana | jason: Why did you install apache2 from source? |
| 22:45.18 | Heroin | but is it hard to disable the things i dont want? |
| 22:45.23 | tosh | stew mine is using NMEA0183, I've tried gpsman and gpsdrive but won't are unable to read anything |
| 22:45.23 | jason | diana, cause they said it was better |
| 22:45.24 | stew | Heroin: no |
| 22:45.28 | dondelelcaro | bucky, Malagmyr: no need to be insulting... |
| 22:45.29 | Malagmyr | Heroin: don't install them in the first place |
| 22:45.30 | d0uglas | jason: yeah |
| 22:45.32 | tosh | stew http://www.acte.no/techstuff/gps/product1_file_GM-305%20%20Product%20Brief%20Rev%20A.pdf |
| 22:45.34 | Heroin | all i want is the OS+apache+mail client |
| 22:45.35 | beardy | paxl: That was a good question. I don't know how to have it not to follow symlinks (if that really is what it does by default). Could you use rsync instead to transfer those files, since rsync's archive mode doesn't follow symlinks, and rsync can use ssh for transportation? But it's strange that scp doesn't have that option.. |
| 22:45.37 | Malagmyr | dondelelcaro: sorry |
| 22:45.39 | stew | tosh: are you sure the serial port is configured correctly? |
| 22:45.45 | dondelelcaro | Heroin: you can install exactly what you want. |
| 22:45.50 | tosh | I tried cat'ing ttyS0 but I get nothing |
| 22:45.54 | tosh | stew, I tried cat'ing ttyS0 but I get nothing |
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| 22:46.05 | Heroin | so i pup the CD in and it ask me what to enable and disable? |
| 22:46.05 | bucky | dondelelcaro: <Heroin>diana is a slut ^^ |
| 22:46.09 | tosh | stew should I get something when I cat the ttyS0? |
| 22:46.10 | Malagmyr | dondelelcaro: it's just that I told him a bunch of things and then he says "can noone help me". but fine, i'll behave |
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| 22:46.15 | g33k | stew: still around? |
| 22:46.18 | Heroin | buckey it was a counter insult |
| 22:46.23 | jason | but when u install apache2 from source, and u dont configfure it right, it wont make the lib4php.so file u need to parse php |
| 22:46.27 | joeyy | how dos my site look http://nsevil.mypets.ws know of anything i could fix ? |
| 22:46.37 | g33k | Thanks man ... got the xserver up and running |
| 22:47.03 | tosh | stew should minicom give me something when I connect to the com port? |
| 22:47.04 | dondelelcaro | bucky: the context of that is more illuminating; but in any case, neither party is behaving reasonably... |
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| 22:47.16 | bucky | Heroin: if you can't figure out how to go to http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and dl the netinstall iso and burn it then you shouldn't be running debian |
| 22:47.19 | g33k | Can someone tell me what the screen -S css command will do ? |
| 22:47.26 | Malagmyr | Heroin: that's all in the documents on www.debian.org, but yes, you put the cd in, it'll ask you a bunch of highly relevant questions about the setup you want, then it'll install a bare minimum and ask you, in a number of different ways, what else you want |
| 22:47.29 | dondelelcaro | Malagmyr: thanks; feel free to use /ignore instead of worrying about people like that. |
| 22:47.50 | Heroin | ok thanks m8s |
| 22:47.53 | dondelelcaro | g33k: the screen manpage can... |
| 22:47.57 | Heroin | that what i basically needed to know : |
| 22:47.59 | Heroin | =] |
| 22:48.02 | stew | tosh: i think you should, try apt-get install setserial ; or dpkg-reconfigure setserial |
| 22:48.16 | beardy | Heroin: Read the installguide. /msg dpkg ig, also /msg dpkg grounding |
| 22:48.23 | dondelelcaro | g33k: in short, it sets the session name for a screen session; man screen; /-S |
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| 22:48.43 | tosh | stew minicom gives me output! so it works, cool, now to make gpsdrive work with it |
| 22:48.45 | Doe | took you longer to ask your question in here, then it would have takin you to d/l the 108mb iso, burn it, and install it to find out first hand |
| 22:48.51 | bucky | beardy: he can't use the bot because he doesn't know how to switch windows in his chat client |
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| 22:49.11 | Heroin | Doe i dont have a lot of CDs slinging around ^^ |
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| 22:49.26 | beardy | Heroin: Listen to what dpkg says now. |
| 22:49.27 | beardy | !ig |
| 22:49.27 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 22:49.29 | beardy | !grounding |
| 22:49.30 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (i.e. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 22:49.53 | bucky | Heroin: install the 100 M netinstall iso on one cd |
| 22:49.54 | beardy | Heroin: Copy and save it. |
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| 22:50.04 | andax | i found a solution for the 2.6.15 + ati driver "free_hot_cold_page" crash, if anyone's interested. |
| 22:50.05 | agonyzer | ive just upgraded xorg to the newest package in sid, and when using depth highet then 8 on the secondary screen all i get i garbage. anybody else experience this with the ati driver? |
| 22:50.09 | Heroin | ok doods |
| 22:50.14 | Heroin | the netinstall is Uber :D |
| 22:50.15 | Malagmyr | Heroin: also, netinstall is available on floppies. You don't need to waste a cd, even in you don't have a cdrw |
| 22:50.29 | Heroin | thank thee |
| 22:50.47 | the_g0d | agonyzer: you should try #ati.. nice people in there |
| 22:50.55 | benjamindees | Heroin, Debian is the best but we get tired of repeating it over and over again :) |
| 22:51.03 | Heroin | i see |
| 22:51.11 | Heroin | but i dont like some bot msging me |
| 22:51.50 | stew | Heroin: if you are going to look for help in here, get used to it, its filled with useful information that we dont' feel like typing over and over again |
| 22:51.52 | Malagmyr | heroin: we do that a lot. it's basically better than having everyone watching the same responses over and over in the channel |
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| 22:52.00 | Heroin | ah ok |
| 22:52.04 | Heroin | well .. didnt know that |
| 22:52.14 | Tortel | do now |
| 22:52.38 | stew | !status |
| 22:52.39 | dpkg | Since Sat Dec 31 04:58:31 2005, there have been 146 modifications, 6421 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1897 commands. I have been awake for 11d 17h 54m 7s this session, and currently reference 30893 factoids. I'm using about 16148 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2195.05/125.27 child 0/0 |
| 22:52.46 | stew | 30893 factoids! |
| 22:52.48 | tosh | stew gpsdrive gets a timeout when trying to connect to the receiver, minicom prints the raw output of the device, so Im sure its working. any ideas? |
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| 22:52.52 | Heroin | 0 morons |
| 22:52.54 | Heroin | wow |
| 22:52.55 | bucky | !irritate Heroin |
| 22:52.55 | dpkg | Heroin: hi every1 who uses gnome plz msg me, zeroC |
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| 22:53.19 | Tortel | !irritate me |
| 22:53.19 | dpkg | tortel: Y iz debain so old? who uses gnome hello? |
| 22:53.23 | Heroin | is the netinstall with a xdesktop? |
| 22:53.28 | Heroin | i dont use gnome |
| 22:53.36 | bucky | !moron Heroin |
| 22:53.36 | dpkg | Heroin: You are moron #93 |
| 22:53.44 | Tortel | !moron me |
| 22:53.45 | dpkg | tortel: You are moron #17 |
| 22:53.47 | Tortel | :D |
| 22:54.03 | stew | tosh: dunno, make sure that gpsdrive is talking to the same /dev that minicom is |
| 22:54.09 | Heroin | nice nice |
| 22:54.15 | Heroin | breakup on the radio |
| 22:54.20 | Heroin | o man i love radio |
| 22:54.22 | tosh | stew it is, /dev/ttyS0 |
| 22:54.22 | Heroin | ,3 |
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| 22:54.24 | Heroin | <3 |
| 22:54.25 | stew | Heroin: the netinstall installs only the bare minimum by default, but you can easily add more if you wish |
| 22:54.26 | Malagmyr | Heroin: the netinstall is the same as any other install. it just gets the bare minimum from the net instead of from a local drive. you get to chose like you want like with the other install options |
| 22:54.33 | homecable | how dos my site look http://nsevil.mypets.ws how does it look now |
| 22:54.36 | streuner | !tell Heroin about enter |
| 22:54.36 | Heroin | ok thx |
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| 22:54.47 | Heroin | ill read the packages and stuff |
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| 22:54.56 | Heroin | the guy is crying |
| 22:54.59 | Heroin | nice |
| 22:54.59 | Tortel | !yarr |
| 22:54.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, yarr is YARRRRR MATIES! SHIVER ME TIMBERS! |
| 22:55.07 | bucky | what a concept.. maybe read the install guide |
| 22:55.20 | stew | tosh: and minicom is no longer open, right? |
| 22:55.28 | tosh | stew yes, else the port would be busy |
| 22:55.29 | streuner | Tortel: there is a channel called #debian-bots, feel free to play there |
| 22:55.35 | stew | Tortel: if you want to play with the bot, do it in /msg or #debian-bots |
| 22:55.54 | stew | tosh: i dunno then, i haven't tried gpsdrive in a while, check the bts /msg dpkg bts |
| 22:56.13 | tosh | k, thnx |
| 22:56.41 | Tortel | any ideas when gnome will be fully upgraded to 2.12 in etch? |
| 22:56.47 | Tortel | some are still 2.10 |
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| 22:57.51 | streuner | Tortel: look at the developer page, it might have some infos about |
| 22:57.59 | Tortel | k |
| 22:58.09 | streuner | Tortel: /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing |
| 22:58.15 | Heroin | Installer for the blind - "speakup" ... how can a blind person find the download link to it? |
| 22:58.18 | Heroin | just wondering |
| 22:58.36 | streuner | braille |
| 22:58.46 | tosh | stew what do you use as gps apps? |
| 22:59.18 | stew | tosh: gpsdrive, i just haven't used anything in a long time |
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| 22:59.58 | Heroin | ok cool |
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| 23:00.12 | Heroin | iam all pumped to try out debian |
| 23:00.29 | Heroin | shit just spilled my water.. |
| 23:00.32 | Heroin | goddamn |
| 23:00.37 | deadcat | shutup |
| 23:00.41 | Heroin | fucking vrappy music is to blame |
| 23:00.50 | Kurtism | how do I make inetd reload /etc/inetd.conf |
| 23:00.59 | deadcat | Kurtism: /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 23:01.05 | Kurtism | that didn't seem to work |
| 23:01.13 | eeyore- | how much is a pound of potato now? |
| 23:01.14 | deadcat | Kurtism: then you have a problem |
| 23:01.15 | Kurtism | when I went netstat -a it didn't update |
| 23:01.24 | Kurtism | the listening ports |
| 23:01.27 | malex | Is there a chm file viewer that can print the entire chm file, not just the section that is being looked at? |
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| 23:01.36 | streuner | malex: /msg dpkg chm |
| 23:01.50 | deadcat | Kurtism: what port you want to get working? |
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| 23:02.17 | Kurtism | imap |
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| 23:02.22 | cyc | what the hell do I have to do with postgresql to make it bind on tcp port? tcpip_socket is set to true, postgres restarted ... it does not bind to anything?! :| On debian sarge .... |
| 23:02.32 | deadcat | Kurtism: check /etc/init.d/ for imap scripts there. |
| 23:02.32 | stew | Kurtism: find the inetd pid and try kill -1 pid |
| 23:02.34 | Kurtism | I am trying to make Cyrus-imapd work |
| 23:02.35 | devicenull | how can I prevent root from logging on via ssh? |
| 23:02.37 | mo1991 | does anyone have a .deb of the older version of wine 0.9.3 or know where I can find this? |
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| 23:02.51 | litage | when cron runs apt-get and emails me the output, these messages occur: http://rafb.net/paste/results/SEcpWd99.html how can i prevent these warnings from occuring? |
| 23:02.51 | stew | devicenull: edit PermitRootLogin in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 23:02.53 | streuner | devicenull: man sshd_config |
| 23:02.55 | cyc | could the postgresql.conf settings be overrided with something? |
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| 23:02.56 | devicenull | thanks |
| 23:02.59 | deadcat | devicenull: mand 5 sshd_config |
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| 23:03.05 | Tortel | mo1991: unless you can travel through time, not possible |
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| 23:03.15 | Kofif | hello , i have just upgraded my Debian from kernel 2.2 to kernel 2.6, configured everything , dont have kernel panics ( upgraded from image ) and now i get to the login screen , but my keyboard is not working anymore ,what can i do to make my keyboard back on ? |
| 23:03.23 | devicenull | Anything else I should do to secure ssh? |
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| 23:03.30 | Tortel | mo1991: you can check sorceforge's archives for .9.3 source though |
| 23:03.30 | streuner | deadcat: do you have a lag? |
| 23:03.31 | eeyore- | somebody made a battery out of 500 pounds of potato ... enough current to power a small radio |
| 23:03.43 | omer | i have a trouble with lexmark X1195 multifunctional printer,can you help me |
| 23:03.45 | deadcat | streuner: maybe. downloading (= |
| 23:03.51 | streuner | hm |
| 23:03.53 | mo1991 | Tortel - can you point me to the right page? |
| 23:03.57 | Tortel | Kofif: tried un/re plugging it |
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| 23:04.01 | devicenull | I'm about to open my ssh port up to the internet |
| 23:04.17 | bpuzon | Hi... How to ass space to a script? I tred to commentit with \ ' and " but the "for variable in $*" lop see neither |
| 23:04.20 | deadcat | devicenull: make sure users have secure passwd. else disable them |
| 23:04.22 | streuner | devicenull: why? |
| 23:04.23 | bucky | Kofif: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 23:04.27 | litage | devicenull: i'm jumping in to the conversation without reading the history, but i recommend disabling SSHv1 |
| 23:04.28 | stew | litage: you should be able to set the debconf frontend somehow in the apt-get command line, check apt.man conf maybe |
| 23:04.33 | blondie | devicenull: well I restrict SSH to certain users using AllowGroups |
| 23:04.36 | litage | thanks stew |
| 23:04.43 | Tortel | mo1991: hold on |
| 23:04.44 | stew | litage: and man apt_preferences |
| 23:04.48 | malex | streuner: unfortunately xchm and other programs do not print more then 1 section as far as I can tell. |
| 23:04.57 | malex | could be a limitation of chmlib1 |
| 23:05.04 | devicenull | litage, any disadvantages to that? |
| 23:05.15 | litage | devicenull: SSHv1 isn't as secure as v2 |
| 23:05.23 | Kofif | <bucky> i have tryed first ,but keeped getting kernel panic due to " vfs " something , so i fetched the images with apt-get , now the kernel is updated by the images , but the keyboard dead |
| 23:05.26 | Tortel | mo1991: http://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/system/emulators/wine/ There is .9.3 source there |
| 23:05.56 | litage | devicenull: v1 has been outdated for ages, so there's no[t much] point in supporting it. it's best to say "you're trying to connect with v1? sorry, we only use v2. please upgrade" |
| 23:05.58 | stew | litage: set the DEBIAN_FRONTEND env variable |
| 23:06.11 | devicenull | well I'm the only one thats going to be sshing in |
| 23:06.16 | devicenull | so, its not a big deal :) |
| 23:06.20 | bucky | Kofif: I asked you if you compiled your own kernel... because to upgrade from 2.2 means your running woody |
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| 23:06.28 | Kofif | yeah |
| 23:06.32 | Kofif | woody |
| 23:06.33 | litage | devicenull: also, if you couple ssh and pam together, you can restrict which users are allowed to ssh in |
| 23:06.49 | Kofif | not anymore, i did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:06.56 | EricL | gpg |
| 23:06.56 | EricL | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.56 | EricL | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.56 | EricL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:06.59 | Kofif | i think its sarge now , |
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| 23:07.21 | Malagmyr | litage: that can be done by just denying users in sshd.conf, methinks |
| 23:07.37 | devicenull | uh, I just opened my /etc/passwd.. can all these accounts with /bin/sh go to a valid shell? |
| 23:07.45 | devicenull | or is it just the ones with /bin/bash |
| 23:07.50 | litage | Malagmyr: yes, but it's better to have a default deny rule. denying users in sshd.conf is a default permit rule |
| 23:07.56 | bucky | Kofif: cat your /boot/config-VERSION |grep CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBOARD=y |
| 23:08.05 | Kofif | devicenull you can block users by the sshd_config file, |
| 23:08.06 | Malagmyr | litage: true |
| 23:08.08 | deadcat | devicenull: you want AllowUsers in sshd_config |
| 23:08.10 | bucky | Kofif: or just CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBOARD |
| 23:08.11 | grumpydog | bucky :) |
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| 23:08.20 | Kofif | bucky i cannot use the keyboard :\ |
| 23:08.23 | bucky | hey gr |
| 23:08.25 | Kofif | that's the major problem |
| 23:08.39 | grumpydog | sorry about the other night I was on a friends dial up connection |
| 23:08.39 | Kofif | how can i get to type ? |
| 23:08.58 | Kofif | maybe run the installation system and from busybox mount the /dev ? |
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| 23:09.12 | Kofif | or that wont be affective? |
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| 23:09.40 | mo1991 | Tortel - once I get the wine-0.9.3.tar.bz2 file I just untar it and the pbuilder to create the .deb correct? |
| 23:10.16 | Novawo1f | Hello, got a quick question, I have an athlon64, should I get the AMD64 port or regular x86? |
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| 23:11.14 | angelo | hi can I turn upnp on with iptables ? |
| 23:11.18 | Kofif | bucky ill do it from the rescue disc. hang on mate |
| 23:11.26 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.34 | Kofif | no. |
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| 23:11.47 | Kofif | the cd leads to the bad config :\ |
| 23:11.56 | bucky | Kofif: see if you can chroot in and apt-get a 2.4 kernel |
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| 23:11.59 | bored2k | how do i know witch ethernet module my card uses¿? |
| 23:12.03 | Azar | Kofif I meant the rescue disk (CD) |
| 23:12.05 | hborger | is there a way to increase the compresion level on Xtraffic through ssh |
| 23:12.32 | Kofif | board2k check out lsmod ? :] |
| 23:12.51 | Kofif | the rescue disk cannot help |
| 23:12.59 | stew | hborger: man ssh, look at -C |
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| 23:13.05 | bored2k | Kofif, will see, thanks. |
| 23:13.07 | Kofif | i kinda ruined the install a bit |
| 23:13.15 | Azar | bah system with no kbd input is like .. nothing |
| 23:13.31 | Kofif | LinuxOLD = kernel panic , Linux= working but no kbd |
| 23:13.32 | Kofif | :\ |
| 23:13.51 | Kofif | hang on |
| 23:14.01 | Azar | Kofif you installed Woody and the installation completed with Sarge sources? |
| 23:14.01 | XLT | Kofif: surely you have a getty in a serial port to log in from |
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| 23:14.07 | Kofif | i just alt+f2 on the instalation cd. |
| 23:14.29 | Kofif | Azar installed woody and did dist-upgrade from the inet. |
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| 23:14.49 | devicenull | something very weird is going on here.. this machine had a wireless and ethernet connection. The eth0 has an address of 192.168.1.200 and the wireless 192.168.1.4 I can connect to the wireless only when the ethernet is plugged in, even if I use 192.168.1.4 |
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| 23:14.49 | benjamindees | Novawo1f, my understanding is that either will work and each has its benefits |
| 23:15.01 | Azar | Kofif, I see.. |
| 23:15.03 | Azar | strange |
| 23:15.04 | jcliff | I just about came here to ask for help getting my usb mouse working on my debian box |
| 23:15.20 | Azar | I allways do Woody and upgrade to Sarge.. never happened this to me |
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| 23:15.32 | jcliff | I had totally racked my brain getting it to work; I tried everything I could think of and googled every keyword I could imagine |
| 23:15.32 | Kofif | bucky ok i have checked the file |
| 23:15.42 | jcliff | only to find out my usb mouse was plugged into the *other* computer |
| 23:15.44 | Kofif | its on CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBOARD=y |
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| 23:15.49 | Novawo1f | Ahh, thanks alot, can the 64bit still run 32bit programs? |
| 23:15.50 | stew | devicenull: how are you testing whether or not you are connecting with the wireless? |
| 23:15.50 | beardy | jcliff: In X? |
| 23:15.52 | bucky | Kofif: do you have a CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBOARD=y |
| 23:15.52 | jcliff | but thank you #debian anyway |
| 23:15.56 | jcliff | beardy yea :D |
| 23:15.57 | Kofif | yes. |
| 23:16.07 | bucky | hmm.. no idea |
| 23:16.09 | beardy | !drxx jcliff |
| 23:16.09 | dpkg | jcliff: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:16.13 | Kofif | yep. |
| 23:16.17 | Kofif | im just about reformat |
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| 23:16.20 | Kofif | and start again |
| 23:16.25 | Kofif | :\ |
| 23:16.28 | jcliff | yes...I was aware of that :D |
| 23:16.37 | benjamindees | Novawo1f, wait, is there even an amd64 port? |
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| 23:16.54 | devicenull | this machine cant ping out over wireless, even though it has a valid connection according to ifconfig |
| 23:16.55 | beardy | jcliff: So what's the problem? Be more specific, what's not working, errors? |
| 23:16.57 | Kofif | but the problem is the dist-upgrade part |
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| 23:17.03 | jcliff | beardy it's working now |
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| 23:17.06 | Kofif | takes forever on my 1.5Mbit :\ |
| 23:17.08 | stew | benjamindees: yes unofficial for sarge, will be official for etch |
| 23:17.09 | Novawo1f | benjamindees: Yeah, i searched and found it, it says its an unofficial port |
| 23:17.10 | jcliff | it wasn't working because it was plugged into my other computer |
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| 23:17.27 | stew | devicenull: i'm guessing the default route is set to go out through the wire |
| 23:17.34 | jcliff | I figured I'd come in and lighten up all your day |
| 23:17.38 | beardy | jcliff: Ok :) |
| 23:17.39 | Kofif | hmm im logged in with busybox and mountd my filesystem , anyway i can fix it up from here ? |
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| 23:17.54 | devicenull | is there a way to flush it? |
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| 23:18.58 | starfishy | devicenull: check your routing table |
| 23:19.03 | devicenull | I am looking at it |
| 23:19.12 | devicenull | in the IFace column, everything is the wireless adapater |
| 23:19.15 | starfishy | is there a default route and if so what does it point to |
| 23:19.17 | starfishy | ? |
| 23:19.25 | Kofif | devicenull /sbin/ifconfig ?? down; /sbin/ifonfig ?? IP ; route add default gw IP dev ?? ; /sbin/ifconfig ?? up |
| 23:19.31 | Kofif | have fun :] |
| 23:19.49 | starfishy | why would you configure a route on an interface, thats down? |
| 23:20.05 | devicenull | because ethernet was up |
| 23:20.12 | Kofif | that's the way to go ... |
| 23:20.12 | devicenull | I needed it to install the wireless driver |
| 23:20.24 | devicenull | yea, Im doing it now |
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| 23:20.34 | Kofif | close everything down and configure it step by step. |
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| 23:20.57 | Kofif | err i want to get my system back up and running |
| 23:21.24 | i2501 | when i install gaim...i dont see its icon in the applications menu in gnome...but i see it when i browse to applications:///...anyone can help me? |
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| 23:21.50 | i2501 | i want to bring it to its normal place...in applications |
| 23:22.08 | Kofif | aha |
| 23:22.09 | jshoenberger | i2501, you have to add a shortcut to it in the menu. |
| 23:22.12 | Kofif | i got an idea !!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:22.14 | Kofif | :] |
| 23:22.18 | Kofif | oo yeah |
| 23:22.30 | starfishy | you dont have to shut down an interface to change IP or add a route |
| 23:22.31 | neuterspAWAY | Question: How do I log on with Nictotine or get it to log me on automatically upon start? |
| 23:22.42 | jshoenberger | Unfortunately installing a program doesn't automatically add it to the menu |
| 23:22.45 | Kofif | ill re edit my /etc/lilo.conf from the busybox , then get into the instalation program and from there " make system bootable " |
| 23:22.47 | Kofif | :D |
| 23:22.47 | starfishy | even less though if you already have the route to the local network |
| 23:22.52 | diana | !tell i2501 about gnome |
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| 23:23.38 | i2501 | !tell diana thanx |
| 23:23.47 | i2501 | wtf |
| 23:24.01 | neuterspAWAY | Anybody here use Nicotine for P2p? |
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| 23:24.23 | myamarti | How do I discover the device names for other partitions on the same computer, such as a Windows partiiton? |
| 23:24.39 | Kofif | err |
| 23:24.42 | Kofif | kernel panic :[ |
| 23:24.57 | devicenull | ugh, it doesnt want to go into Security mode: other then open |
| 23:24.58 | devicenull | hrm |
| 23:25.02 | Kofif | please append a correct " root" boot option. |
| 23:25.05 | eeyore- | myamarti: fdisk -l /dev/... |
| 23:25.14 | Kofif | how can that be solved ? |
| 23:25.20 | diana | myamarti: Just type "fdisk -l" as root. |
| 23:25.26 | myamarti | ah excellent, thank you both |
| 23:25.40 | Kofif | root=/ is configured as root=/dev/hda2 ( that's the path.. ) |
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| 23:26.04 | eeyore- | Kofif: there are a few reasons, (a) you forgot to include driver support in kernel, (b) you forgot to make initrd, (c) you specified wrong device name, or (d) others |
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| 23:26.27 | Kofif | well let me write down the whole msg |
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| 23:26.41 | eeyore- | Kofif: won't help |
| 23:26.44 | stew | Kofif: vfs: failed to mount root? |
| 23:26.47 | Kofif | VFS: Cannot open root device "302" |
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| 23:26.52 | Kofif | exactly |
| 23:26.56 | eeyore- | Kofif: yeah, yeah, how exciting |
| 23:26.59 | stew | Kofif: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
| 23:27.10 | eeyore- | Kofif: is this custom kernel? |
| 23:27.16 | Kofif | eeyore- yes. |
| 23:27.40 | eeyore- | Kofif: please avoid making your own kernel until you know what you're doing |
| 23:27.40 | Kofif | ok |
| 23:27.45 | Kofif | i know |
| 23:27.46 | Kofif | what im doing |
| 23:27.49 | eeyore- | Kofif: meanwhile, go back to debian standard kernel |
| 23:27.52 | Kofif | not the first time |
| 23:27.58 | Kofif | that's it i cannot |
| 23:27.59 | devicenull | same thing with apt, you can really, really scrwe up your system with it ;) |
| 23:28.04 | tosh | mmm im experiencing the same alsa problem I had yesterday. xmms plays sound, xine and mplayer don't with no errors and /dev/dsp being present. any ideas? |
| 23:28.08 | Kofif | something went realy wrong with the bootloader |
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| 23:28.11 | eeyore- | Kofif: well it looks to me like you forgot to include driver for your IDE chipset in the kernel |
| 23:28.16 | Kofif | i got only the new kernel listed there. |
| 23:28.18 | finger | hy. can I somehow get the permanent mac address (in linux)? (not the one that ifconfig returns) |
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| 23:28.28 | Kofif | :] new hardware |
| 23:28.30 | stew | Kofif: or you forgot to include the fs |
| 23:28.32 | Kofif | i wasnt sure. |
| 23:28.38 | Kofif | its a new machine |
| 23:28.48 | tosh | finger are we talking mac address spoofing here? |
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| 23:28.57 | omry | hi. for some reason I don't get any sound with alsa (2.6.12, etch). alsaconf report success, and alsamixer appears. any tips on diagnosing the problem? |
| 23:28.59 | Kofif | never had a pentium 4 before .. |
| 23:29.10 | eeyore- | finger: there's no such thing as "permanent" MAC address, these days |
| 23:29.24 | finger | tosh: no I want to get the computer's real mac address even if you change it with ifconfig |
| 23:29.26 | nevyn | heh |
| 23:29.31 | eeyore- | finger: there isn't one |
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| 23:29.37 | Kofif | ok |
| 23:29.41 | Kofif | i have decided |
| 23:29.43 | Kofif | ill reinstall |
| 23:29.45 | Kofif | everything |
| 23:29.46 | finger | eeyore-:? |
| 23:29.49 | eeyore- | Kofif: totally unnecessary |
| 23:29.54 | benjamindees | !tell Kofif about enter |
| 23:29.56 | eeyore- | Kofif: use a boot cd of some sort |
| 23:29.58 | diana | finger: Take our the network interface card and you can read the MAC address. |
| 23:29.59 | Kofif | so whats your solutions ? |
| 23:30.04 | tosh | finger then you'll have to open the machine or write something with a kernel hook to your nic driver |
| 23:30.13 | Kofif | i AM trying to get it to work. |
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| 23:30.32 | Kofif | but the boot cd is useless :\ |
| 23:30.41 | Kofif | ill try again |
| 23:30.44 | finger | tosh, diana: great, I'll write a robot in C to do that. any other ideeas? |
| 23:31.00 | eeyore- | finger: the MAC address is probably on some sort of EPROM or something, but even that can be changed |
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| 23:31.20 | finger | eeyore-: not so many ppl know how to do that |
| 23:31.35 | finger | in windows it is possible with winpcap, but libpcap does not know of anything like that |
| 23:31.50 | eeyore- | finger: what are you trying to do? it seems pointless |
| 23:32.00 | eeyore- | finger: besides, MAC addresses are local anyway |
| 23:32.13 | i2501 | i ran update-menus...but still no luck... :( |
| 23:32.20 | Malagmyr | finger: what are you trying to do? |
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| 23:32.43 | i2501 | i am trying to get the gaim icon in the applications menu |
| 23:32.43 | Kilhd | I just installed tcl, and trying to compile eggdrop. It complains that tcl isn't installed or is not where it's looking. How can I find where tcl is installed? (used "apt-get install tcl") |
| 23:32.49 | i2501 | i installed it ut i dont see it |
| 23:33.09 | i2501 | i can see it only if i browse to applications:/// |
| 23:33.11 | diana | i2501: Don't use gaim...use naim instead...apt-get install naim |
| 23:33.21 | finger | oh god.... here we go: I want to make a program that gets the client's mac address (changed (if) and the real one) / compare them and if there are any differences to connect to a server and write something |
| 23:33.22 | seba | Hi, i have installed the stable release Sarge (k 2.6.8-2). This has a problem: bug 289690 "cannot access some files with samba". Has anyone solve this problem, upgrading kernel or something? thanks. |
| 23:33.32 | XLT | or bitlbee (instead of gaim) |
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| 23:33.55 | m1ke | naim has issues with connecting to aol if you care |
| 23:33.56 | Kofif | how can i reconfigure my /etc/lilo.conf from the rescue disc then ? |
| 23:34.02 | m1ke | new version doesnt work or something? |
| 23:34.06 | m1ke | or is that fixed now? |
| 23:34.13 | jshoenberger | diana, the problem isn't in the program with i2501 |
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| 23:34.41 | tosh | Kofif chroot to the dir you mounted the filesystem to, run lilo -C |
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| 23:34.45 | eeyore- | finger: you know that such a program would only work if the client and server resides next to each other right? |
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| 23:34.48 | iluvatar`` | :\ |
| 23:34.50 | tosh | Kofif and use grub, its crunchy |
| 23:34.50 | Kurtism | how do I make debian install cyrus-imapd 2.2 |
| 23:35.06 | Kurtism | cyrus-imapd 2.2.12 or 13 even |
| 23:35.13 | diana | m1ke: I've never had a problem with naim connecting to aol. |
| 23:35.14 | Kofif | i dont know how to use grub, and how can i chroot ? where from ? busybox ? |
| 23:35.20 | tosh | Kurtism by reading the debian docs on how to install stuff and other basic topics |
| 23:35.28 | m1ke | diana: you on the newest version? |
| 23:35.30 | Malagmyr | finger: you want to see if the local machine has a spoofed mac address and if it has, let something know? |
| 23:35.44 | tosh | ue arpwatch |
| 23:35.46 | tosh | use* |
| 23:35.48 | eeyore- | Malagmyr: clueless |
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| 23:35.51 | diana | m1ke: yes |
| 23:35.51 | Kurtism | when I go aptitude install cyrus-imapd the damn thing installs a 1.5.x series which is BAD |
| 23:35.58 | m1ke | ill have to try it agian |
| 23:35.58 | Malagmyr | eeyore-: me? |
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| 23:36.02 | jshoenberger | Kurtism, 2.2 or more isn't supported yet, I'd watch for it with the next distro release |
| 23:36.07 | eeyore- | Malagmyr: no, finger |
| 23:36.11 | starfishy | even unstable only has 2.1.x |
| 23:36.16 | starfishy | of cyrtus |
| 23:36.19 | starfishy | curys |
| 23:36.19 | jshoenberger | ah |
| 23:36.22 | starfishy | cyrus |
| 23:36.30 | jshoenberger | Sarge has 2.1.X as well |
| 23:36.33 | diana | m1ke: You just start naim, and type "/connect youraimsnhere" then it will ask you for your password...you put it in and hit enter. |
| 23:36.48 | m1ke | last time i tried it didn't connect...a known issue. |
| 23:36.53 | m1ke | they said go to an older version |
| 23:36.56 | m1ke | trying agian now |
| 23:36.57 | jshoenberger | Kurtism, try installing it out of the tarball then |
| 23:37.03 | Kofif | ok |
| 23:37.08 | Kofif | done |
| 23:37.09 | Kofif | rebooting |
| 23:37.10 | Kofif | :] |
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| 23:37.17 | adrakoa | hi |
| 23:37.23 | m1ke | hi |
| 23:37.26 | jshoenberger | Hi |
| 23:37.30 | Kofif | Hi |
| 23:37.42 | drp | anybody know any other urls besides http://24.197.159.102/~deego/pub/debian/kernel-upgrading-guide/ to help me in upgrading my kernel |
| 23:37.48 | drp | that's the one dpkg gave me |
| 23:37.58 | i2501 | and i cant find a news reader for linux...a good one...i need it to browse for my entertainment sutff... |
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| 23:38.34 | star-trekio | hi |
| 23:38.45 | rutski89 | When I run telnet it tells me "Escape character is '^]'.", but how do i actually type that? |
| 23:38.52 | m1ke | your right! apt-get install naim works...ill check version |
| 23:38.56 | blondie | rutski89: ctrl-] |
| 23:38.56 | Malagmyr | !greet star-trekio |
| 23:38.57 | dpkg | Welcome, star-trekio |
| 23:38.59 | jshoenberger | rutski89, CTRL-] |
| 23:39.03 | drp | that link appears to be down |
| 23:39.05 | star-trekio | what happens if one wants to use mysql on debian |
| 23:39.08 | star-trekio | mysql5 |
| 23:39.09 | rutski89 | ahh, i see |
| 23:39.10 | rutski89 | ty |
| 23:39.18 | stew | drp: /msg dpkg upgrade kernel |
| 23:39.24 | jshoenberger | star-trekio, install it from binarys |
| 23:39.30 | star-trekio | (I know postgresql is better but my work has it so blah) |
| 23:39.32 | Kofif | ok when im trying to do /sbin/lilo -v to add the LinuxOLD with the working kernel , i get "skipping LinuxOLD " .. |
| 23:39.36 | star-trekio | ok |
| 23:39.37 | Kofif | why dose it skip ? |
| 23:39.41 | jshoenberger | star-trekio, I'm running MySQL5 right now, it's rather easy |
| 23:39.42 | star-trekio | I have a devil of a time with redhat |
| 23:39.42 | rutski89 | oh, hmm, how do i enter a "carrage return" and a "newline"? |
| 23:39.45 | Malagmyr | star-trekio: one either fails or succeeds, I guess |
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| 23:40.05 | devicenull | 1I've noticed that putty (windows ssh app) has the ability to tunnel stuff over ssh.. is there anything special I need to do to set up ssl tunnels |
| 23:40.07 | star-trekio | because u then need php-mysql lib-dbd-mysql etc and they are wrong version |
| 23:40.10 | star-trekio | its hell |
| 23:40.10 | tosh | Kofif because you have a configuration error somewhere probably, it lilo doesn't like something it skips |
| 23:40.11 | adrakoa | drp first you must download the kernel from www.kernel.org |
| 23:40.26 | jshoenberger | rutski89, the Enter key? |
| 23:40.27 | iluvatar`` | guys, I have a problem with x-font. I want to use artwiz's font with fluxbox, but I don't want install them with apt. So, I have dl the tar.gz and I have created a fonts dir in my home. Then, I have added the new path with "xset +fb" and mkfontdir...and xlsfont have noticed them, but not xfontsel...why ? |
| 23:40.37 | Malagmyr | star-trekio: please. there are a lot of people talking here. looking for all you're saying on all those lines is a pain |
| 23:40.37 | Kofif | tosh ok hang on ill review |
| 23:40.38 | adrakoa | dpr after i say to you |
| 23:40.40 | star-trekio | I live in darkness and despair |
| 23:40.41 | tosh | devicenull you pick a source port, a host and a destination port, thats pretty much it |
| 23:40.41 | Malagmyr | !tell star-trekio about enter |
| 23:40.51 | rutski89 | jshoenberger: that doesn't work... well.. mybe it's my buggy program, i'm going to go do some network sniffing, brb |
| 23:40.57 | devicenull | I'm talking about on the server I'll be sshing into |
| 23:41.00 | jshoenberger | .... |
| 23:41.10 | trym | whats the name of that disk space usage view mode in konqueror ? I seem to be missing it |
| 23:41.32 | tosh | devicenull nothing special, just needs an sshd daemon running |
| 23:41.37 | devicenull | ok, thanks. |
| 23:41.39 | jshoenberger | devicenull, what kind of Tunnels? I used to Tunnel Jabber through SSH :D |
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| 23:42.00 | devicenull | I hopefully plan on tunnling http and irc through it at least |
| 23:42.04 | iluvatar`` | yuhuu :) |
| 23:42.24 | devicenull | I'm hoping I can go to a public access point with my laptop, and tunnel my irc connection back to my network, then out to the internet |
| 23:42.26 | diana | iluvatar``: /join #fluxbox |
| 23:42.30 | Kofif | " skipping vmlinuz.old" ; Boot other : /dev/hda1, on /dev/hda, loader CHAIN <<-- that's what i get on lilo -v |
| 23:42.42 | benjamindees | star-trekio, there is a mysql 5 backport at backports.org |
| 23:42.42 | iluvatar`` | diana: umh, ok |
| 23:42.46 | pipeline | how do I handle the second stage of debootstrap for a foreign arch ? |
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| 23:43.13 | tosh | anyone know why I get sound in xmms with alsa, but not with xine or gmplayer? |
| 23:43.28 | stew | tosh: becuase you haven't yet loaded snd-pcm-oss |
| 23:43.44 | Knorrie | devicenull: a ssh tunnel is something different than a ssl tunnel |
| 23:43.55 | diana | tosh: add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules |
| 23:43.59 | tosh | stew its loaded |
| 23:44.10 | devicenull | Knorrie, how so? |
| 23:44.36 | tosh | snd_seq_oss, snd_pcm_oss and snd_pcm are loaded |
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| 23:44.42 | puff | What's the default mysql password? |
| 23:44.42 | stew | dunno then |
| 23:44.45 | puff | For 4.1-server. |
| 23:44.47 | Kofif | excuse me, anyone knows how to get this work ? " skipping vmlinuz.old" ; Boot other : /dev/hda1, on /dev/hda, loader CHAIN <<-- that's what i get on lilo -v - i dont know what that means :\ |
| 23:45.03 | stew | puff: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server4.1/README.Debian |
| 23:45.13 | Knorrie | devicenull: both use encryption, but ssl uses SSL certificates, and ssh uses it's own encryption and let you do things like setting up tunnel when you authenticate with a ssh account |
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| 23:46.07 | tosh | devicenull and make sure you're only using sshv2 |
| 23:46.18 | tosh | although sshv2 has its own problems |
| 23:46.43 | Knorrie | devicenull: an example of SSL-based tunneling is OpenVPN.net, ssh tunnels are fun, i use them a lot |
| 23:46.46 | puff | stew: I did, maybe I missed it. |
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| 23:46.47 | efaistos | does some other shapes exist for Dia ? |
| 23:47.05 | efaistos | like a librairie with many shapes ... |
| 23:47.26 | i2501 | i can edit menus with gnome-menu-editor... :D |
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| 23:47.57 | puff | stew: Hm, no, I don't see anthing in there... it says to reset the password with mysqldmin, but it doesn't say what the default password is. |
| 23:47.57 | tosh | i2501 you a gits fan? |
| 23:47.58 | Knorrie | devicenull: tunnel http over ssh... right, but you got to specify a destination, like: ssh server -L 81:somewhere:80 |
| 23:48.05 | Kilhd | I just installed tcl, and trying to compile eggdrop. It complains that tcl isn't installed or is not where it's looking. How can I find where tcl is installed? (used "apt-get install tcl") |
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| 23:48.19 | stew | puff: its in the section labeld PASSWORDS |
| 23:48.26 | tosh | devicenull if you tunnel http, you can only have one destination |
| 23:48.33 | Knorrie | devicenull: and then when you access 81 on localhost, somewhere sees a connection initiated from server : |
| 23:48.37 | Knorrie | ) |
| 23:48.44 | tosh | devicenull and if you want to surf, that destiation better be a proxy port |
| 23:48.46 | stew | puff: there is no password by default |
| 23:49.05 | devicenull | ah ok |
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| 23:49.15 | devicenull | not a big deal |
| 23:49.17 | devicenull | thanks |
| 23:50.07 | Knorrie | HydraIRC != debian :P |
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| 23:50.23 | Kofif | OMG got it back working :] haha |
| 23:50.36 | tosh | stupid xine |
| 23:50.41 | bucky | good job Kofif |
| 23:50.44 | seba | does anybody knows how to workaround the problem with samba: smb_proc_readX_data: -59 > 64 || -59 < 0 ? (Bug 289690) |
| 23:50.45 | puff | stew: Then why can't I connect as root or create a database? |
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| 23:50.50 | TBBle | Interesting. I see the source for ximian-connect 2.4.1-1 in the pool on ftp.debian.org in the experiment Sources, but buildd.debian.org seems to have build a 2.4.2-1... Any ideas where I could find either the PPC binaries (prolly still on the buildd...) or at least the source for that version? |
| 23:50.59 | TBBle | ximian-connector I mean. |
| 23:51.02 | Kofif | now i only need to get the initrd working , long time since i have used debian. |
| 23:51.08 | stew | puff: how are you trying to connect? |
| 23:51.14 | tosh | seba whats the bug about? |
| 23:51.17 | Kofif | !dpkg initrd |
| 23:51.17 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 23:51.30 | stew | puff: what command are you using? does "mysql -u root" work? |
| 23:51.44 | puff | http://pastebin.com/501718 |
| 23:51.51 | puff | stew: Nope. I pastged the log there. |
| 23:52.22 | stew | puff: you must have set a password then |
| 23:52.33 | stew | puff: possibly on an old install that you removed? |
| 23:52.40 | puff | stew: Hm... maybe. |
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| 23:53.06 | puff | stew: Found a my.cnf~ file in /etc/mysql, didn't think I'd ever installed it on this laptop but I guess I must hae. |
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| 23:53.27 | Kofif | hey guys , why work hard : http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html <<-- check this out about MYSQL |
| 23:53.45 | puff | Ah, tried an old $work dev password and it worked. Yeesh that was frustrating :-)". |
| 23:53.48 | puff | stew: Thanks. |
| 23:53.51 | Kofif | start it in safe mode skip grant tables , make new password and have fun :p |
| 23:54.10 | bucky | puff: ps aux |grep mysql |
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| 23:54.28 | seba | tosh: I mount NT server share. When i try to reach certain files, i have an Input/output error. At the same time I see this in /var/log/syslog smb_proc_readX_data: offset is larger. |
| 23:54.36 | g33k | I'm trying to set up a CS:S mod on my server and it has a zip file..how do I extract a zip? |
| 23:54.45 | epsilon | unzip |
| 23:54.46 | kspath | abrotman: I am still a luser! |
| 23:54.52 | Kofif | <g33k> google for unzip |
| 23:54.57 | tosh | seba did you try downgrading your version if you're already running the latest version |
| 23:55.14 | g33k | can I do that via putty |
| 23:55.18 | Kofif | actualy i know that in cs:s they use the command " uncompress " in some of thier installations , |
| 23:55.23 | epsilon | g33k: yes |
| 23:55.31 | seba | tosh: downgrading kernel? to 2.4? |
| 23:55.39 | tosh | seba not the kernel, the smbd/nmbd |
| 23:55.46 | Kofif | g33k: you need to make a symoblic link from unzip to /bin/uncompress ( while you are root ) , then try again |
| 23:56.02 | TBBle | Ah, don't worry. Found the source package on incoming.debian.org. ^_^ |
| 23:56.03 | epsilon | g33k: but in your knowledge level, working on debian system is way too dangerous |
| 23:56.09 | g33k | lmao |
| 23:56.10 | beginer | anyone can help me with iptables? i have a bizare problem |
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| 23:56.12 | stew | seba: are you using smbfs or cifs? |
| 23:56.14 | seba | tosh: ah, no. |
| 23:56.16 | g33k | I hear ya |
| 23:56.24 | seba | tosh: smbfs |
| 23:56.30 | g33k | It won't take long... |
| 23:56.31 | beefcake | installing a mod is piss easy though |
| 23:56.36 | beefcake | g33k mani admin? |
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| 23:56.42 | stew | Kofif: why are you telling him to link unzip to /bin/compress? |
| 23:56.43 | g33k | yeah I've done it on other distros |
| 23:56.56 | g33k | but I used the gui |
| 23:56.59 | Kofif | stew> i thought he wanted to install it from bin. |
| 23:57.01 | beefcake | LOL |
| 23:57.02 | beefcake | the gui |
| 23:57.04 | beefcake | thats cute |
| 23:57.09 | beefcake | anyways just let a ftp service run |
| 23:57.10 | Kofif | the bin file uses the " uncompress " command. |
| 23:57.12 | g33k | I"m trying to learn how to tui |
| 23:57.15 | epsilon | g33k: debian doesn't need gui. |
| 23:57.16 | beefcake | and ftp mani to the appropriate places |
| 23:57.33 | rutski89 | If i overwrite a class's method within a subclass, then is there anyway to start out the overwritten method by calling the superclass's implimentation of that method first? |
| 23:57.40 | stew | Kofif: why make the bogus synlink? |
| 23:57.56 | g33k | so I understand I need to take the beating for being a n00b but is this something I can just wget ? |
| 23:58.01 | g33k | the unzip? |
| 23:58.08 | stew | g33k: apt-get install unzip |
| 23:58.08 | dusty- | Hello all, I have an openbsd firewall running pf. I have a debian workstation behind it and it won't let me run apt-get I have allowed ftp/http to be used on the firewall for the debian box, but I get the following error: Get:1 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org stable/main Packages [3349kB] -- Err ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org stable/main Packages -- Could not connect passive socket. <-- Those errors repeatadly. Any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 23:58.09 | rutski89 | oh, oops, wrong channel |
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| 23:58.14 | Kofif | HaHa its back to make menuconfig forme :] |
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| 23:58.47 | i2501 | remove the / between stable and main |
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| 23:59.05 | stew | rutski89: superclass.MethodName( self, arg1, arg2...) |
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| 23:59.35 | rutski89 | stew: oh, i see now, ty |
| 23:59.43 | g33k | so now the command is unzip zipfilename? |
| 23:59.45 | jelly | dusty-: looks like the firewall is misbehaving. Can you try http:// instead of ftp:// mirror? |
| 23:59.53 | beefcake | unzip --help |
| 23:59.58 | g33k | and that puts it in pwd |
