| 00:00.04 | xchg | btw, apt-get => perl5 => libc |
| 00:00.08 | frbn | stew, I on an alpha station with Milo. no installer. no boot on any install cd. |
| 00:00.11 | xchg | so libc can be ok |
| 00:00.26 | xchg | maybe there some issue with perl |
| 00:00.27 | stew | wwallace: what version of x, what version of debian? |
| 00:00.33 | SimonRaven | hey, look at slink-0>sid as a challenge and a test. if s/he can handle it, then they're ready for sid |
| 00:00.39 | SimonRaven | s/0// |
| 00:00.42 | stew | he doesn't even want sid |
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| 00:00.54 | wwallace | stew |
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| 00:01.04 | wwallace | how do i find out what version of x? |
| 00:01.07 | SimonRaven | or at the very least can fix most problems seen in sid .. |
| 00:01.14 | SimonRaven | *shrug* |
| 00:01.15 | frbn | SimonRaven, give me an url to you the iso of your /sid :) |
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| 00:01.24 | verxion | can anyone tell me how to move GRUB from one disk to another? I tried copying the MBR but when I boot from the new disk, all I get it "GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB" over and over |
| 00:01.26 | stew | wwallace: dpkg -l x11-common |
| 00:01.33 | wwallace | im using xorg |
| 00:01.45 | SimonRaven | frbn: what? |
| 00:01.52 | stew | yes, xorg proviedes an x11-common version as well |
| 00:02.07 | stew | frbn: can you boot from pxe? |
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| 00:02.15 | wwallace | oh ok |
| 00:02.19 | wwallace | wait please |
| 00:02.19 | frbn | If I can get the img of a system running, I can brutelly dd it on my aprtition :) |
| 00:02.40 | frbn | stew: no. tried tfpt too. |
| 00:02.44 | SimonRaven | uh, no i won't |
| 00:02.52 | frbn | tftp |
| 00:02.57 | SimonRaven | x86 != alpha |
| 00:03.06 | stew | t |
| 00:03.15 | wwallace | 6.8.2 stew |
| 00:03.24 | stew | wwallace: what version of debian? |
| 00:03.25 | xchg | frbn: no. only bootstrap does matter |
| 00:03.38 | frbn | if only I could boot this woody mini cd ! |
| 00:04.02 | frbn | I tried debootstrap too. |
| 00:04.08 | verxion | anyone know where I can get help with grub? #grub is devoid of human life |
| 00:04.17 | stew | frbn: are you still on the 2.0 kernel? |
| 00:04.24 | frbn | y 2.0.36 :))) |
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| 00:04.35 | stew | frbn: and that is keeping your ld from working? |
| 00:04.56 | frbn | I don't why ld is out |
| 00:05.01 | stew | verxion: if you are running debian you can ask here, if you are running some other distro ask in a channel for that distro |
| 00:05.03 | xchg | frbn: a cardinal solution. get the latest stable alpha and write it's bootstrap to floppy |
| 00:05.04 | frbn | I don't know why ld is out |
| 00:05.11 | verxion | I am running debian |
| 00:05.16 | xchg | frbn: +- 600mb |
| 00:05.18 | stew | wwallace: go to #kanotix |
| 00:05.22 | SimonRaven | !version |
| 00:05.23 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:05.47 | neuterspAWAY | I can't seem to get an answer - how can I get FireFox 1.5? I have to add unstable to my sources.list? |
| 00:05.48 | verxion | stew: I am trying to copy a complete debian install from a bad disk to a new disk. I rsync'd the filesystem fine, and I dd'd the MBR too, but GRUB just repeats over and over when I reboot as the new disk |
| 00:05.48 | benjamindees | verxion, at the minimum, copy everything in /boot/grub |
| 00:05.51 | frbn | xchg, arg |
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| 00:05.56 | verxion | benjamindees: that I did |
| 00:05.59 | xchg | frbn: we can repair the current setup either, i guess, but you'll need to do a lot of dpkg -ing |
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| 00:06.17 | xchg | frbn: (or i'll issue you the alpha archive of libc-s) |
| 00:06.19 | benjamindees | verxion, then you probably have to run grub-install |
| 00:06.25 | SimonRaven | neuterspAWAY: no. backports.org if you're on sarge |
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| 00:06.33 | stew | verxion: is /boot on a serparate partition or on /? |
| 00:06.41 | neuterspAWAY | Thanks SimonRaven |
| 00:06.44 | verxion | benjamindees: what I am wondering is how to do that though considering I am booted up right now from the OLD disk |
| 00:06.50 | verxion | stew: boot is on / |
| 00:07.07 | _rene_ | neuterspAWAY: but *DO* read the instructions there |
| 00:07.11 | verxion | stew: and I am only dealing with the / partition - nothing else |
| 00:07.25 | stew | oh, if you are booted now, then mount -bind /dev /otherroot/dev ; chroot /otherroot ; grup-install /dev/hdxx |
| 00:07.38 | SimonRaven | yes please, don't just fetch and dpkg -i it. |
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| 00:08.03 | verxion | stew: mount -bind /dev/hdc; chroot /mnt; grub-install /dev/hdc1 |
| 00:08.04 | verxion | ? |
| 00:08.12 | stew | verxion: no |
| 00:08.17 | verxion | hdc is the new replacement disk |
| 00:08.21 | verxion | hda is the current one |
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| 00:08.30 | verxion | hda1 is current root, hdc1 is new root |
| 00:08.35 | stew | verxion: hdc1 is mounted in /mnt? |
| 00:08.39 | verxion | yup |
| 00:08.52 | stew | verxion: mount -bind /dev /mnt/dev ; chroot /mnt/dev ; grun-install /dev/hdc |
| 00:09.09 | verxion | k, thanks a ton, let me try it |
| 00:09.17 | stew | ^grun^grub |
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| 00:09.29 | xchg | stew: do you sleep sometimes ? :-) |
| 00:09.40 | benjamindees | xchg, stew is really three people |
| 00:09.51 | stew | xchg: nightly |
| 00:10.05 | verxion | stew: That mount command gives me an error |
| 00:10.06 | neuterspAWAY | _rene_: The FAQ HowTO on Backports.org is down. |
| 00:10.14 | verxion | invalid option -b |
| 00:10.29 | verxion | er, "invalid option -- b" |
| 00:10.30 | stew | verxion: sorry --bind |
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| 00:10.34 | verxion | ok, thanks |
| 00:10.34 | xchg | stew: at the morning 6 o'clock CET you're here, at 01 o'clock you're here too. it make impression |
| 00:10.48 | neuterspAWAY | _rene_: I have it though, thanks |
| 00:11.26 | verxion | chroot gives me "chroot: cannot run command '/bin/bash': No such file or directory" |
| 00:11.38 | xchg | benjamindees: stew, son and the holy spirit ? ;-) |
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| 00:11.56 | verxion | I did "chroot /mnt/dev/" - should it be just "chroot /mnt" ? |
| 00:12.09 | verxion | er, shouldn't it be just "chroot /mnt" ? |
| 00:12.18 | stew | xchg: my job is requiring lots of recompiles these days, when i recompile i check the irc window.. |
| 00:12.28 | dondelelcaro | verxion: that depends on where you've built the chroot |
| 00:12.29 | stew | verxion: doh, yeah, sorry |
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| 00:12.36 | verxion | stew: ok, thank ye |
| 00:12.39 | kittenbot | Hello, when booting a system what number should the script in /etc/rc?.d/ that brings up the firewall be? |
| 00:12.53 | Tortel | !paste |
| 00:12.53 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 00:12.54 | xchg | stew: got it. wish you a better cpu to do a job faster |
| 00:12.55 | frbn | xchg, ok I think I've got a solution. I boot the backup-slink. upgrade to potato and then to woody and finally get sarge without any problem I guess ? |
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| 00:13.14 | stew | xchg: its not the cpu, its the HD |
| 00:13.22 | frbn | xchg, and then rsync backup -> real rootfs |
| 00:13.24 | xchg | frbn: everyting is you need is just to get the reliable packages |
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| 00:13.33 | verxion | stew: ok, now the "grub-install /dev/hdc" gives me: "/dev/hdc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive" |
| 00:13.57 | xchg | frbn: by apt, dpkg, ftp, http, by hand or by dcc - it doesn't matter |
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| 00:14.08 | hornhead | i'm trying to use fgv to view pics in my term's framebuffer but i keep getting a black screen. how do i configure framebuffer for my card? |
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| 00:14.18 | xchg | stew: may i ask what project is it ? |
| 00:14.18 | _rene_ | neuterspAWAY: did I say FAQ/Howto. I meant the instructions. which is behind a link which does work... |
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| 00:15.09 | stew | verxion: i think that means you need to edit device.map in /boot/grub, check the grub docs in /usr/share/doc/grub/ |
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| 00:15.40 | stew | xchg: its an MTA being used in small african communities |
| 00:15.47 | jtaylor | I am trying to silence a program by sending stderr and stdout to /dev/null but it still writes stuff to the screen... Is there something else I have to do? I am currently doing ./program 2>&1 > /dev/null. Any help is appreciated? |
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| 00:16.12 | verxion | stew: device.map is just "(hd0) /dev/hda" |
| 00:16.19 | xchg | stew: of course it's none of my business, but...for example exim or qmail (or even sendmail) ? |
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| 00:16.32 | stew | xchg: i meant MUA |
| 00:16.37 | verxion | stew: that one line only. I could change it to /dev/hdc, but I don't think that would work at bootup time because THEN it would be /dev/hda |
| 00:16.42 | stew | verxion: try adding (hd2) /dev/hdc |
| 00:16.46 | xchg | stew: Multi User Agent ? |
| 00:16.48 | verxion | ok |
| 00:16.54 | stew | xchg: email application |
| 00:17.04 | xchg | stew: sylpheed ? |
| 00:17.08 | odla | when i upgraded from sarge to testing...two things happened |
| 00:17.08 | ootput | mutt, pine |
| 00:17.20 | verxion | stew: that ran |
| 00:17.21 | odla | one, when i reloaded the kernel it went into maintainance mode |
| 00:17.25 | verxion | dunno what it did, but it ran |
| 00:17.28 | stew | xchg: that is an mta, the one i'm working on is closed source |
| 00:17.29 | verxion | I will try a reboot now |
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| 00:17.31 | odla | and forced me to run fsck for inconsistencies |
| 00:17.33 | verxion | thanks for the help |
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| 00:17.38 | odla | second, x would start |
| 00:17.43 | stew | verxion: you may need to run update-grub |
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| 00:17.46 | odla | i had to reconfigure it over and over again |
| 00:17.51 | odla | and couldn't get it to work |
| 00:18.10 | xchg | stew: Africa? and where're you residing now ? |
| 00:18.12 | verxion | stew: ok, I ran that as well |
| 00:18.20 | verxion | stew: gonna try that reboot now |
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| 00:18.32 | stew | verxion: uhh wait, are you going to try to move this to hda now? |
| 00:18.40 | stew | xchg: i'm in brooklyn |
| 00:18.58 | xchg | btw, it make me happy that African community choice linux |
| 00:18.58 | xchg | not windoze |
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| 00:18.58 | stew | xchg: they're all using windows |
| 00:19.07 | xchg | stew: sad to hear |
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| 00:19.45 | Tortel | any ideas on this - http://channels.debian.net/paste/1544 ? |
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| 00:20.04 | hornhead | how can i enable better resolutions in my terminal? i've installed svgatextmode, but can't figure out how to get it to run |
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| 00:20.30 | odla | anyone having any issues running X on etch right now and upgrading from sarge? |
| 00:20.50 | eeyore- | does anybody here have a sound card / chip that can do realtime dolby encoding for 5.1 output via S/PDIF? |
| 00:20.52 | xchg | stew: Citrix + lot of wstations ? |
| 00:21.06 | eeyore- | there's a card, Turtle Beach Montego DDL, but i don't see that on ALSA supported list ... |
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| 00:21.08 | eeyore- | ideas? |
| 00:21.08 | xchg | eeyore-: i have LynxII here |
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| 00:21.30 | TauPan | hornhead: whats wrong with "man svgatextmode"? |
| 00:21.34 | eeyore- | xchg: does that thing do realtime encoding or does it just pass-through the DTS stream? |
| 00:21.36 | xchg | eeyore-: but but spdif doesn't work :-) |
| 00:21.49 | Tortel | !gentoosmite me |
| 00:21.58 | xchg | eeyore-: it CAN do RT encoding, but not yet in linux |
| 00:22.05 | Tortel | im gunna comlie xorg now! |
| 00:22.06 | Tortel | woot |
| 00:22.07 | eeyore- | xchg: ah :-) I can get S/PDIF to work, yeah, but most cards don't do realtime encoding out the S/PDIF |
| 00:22.09 | xchg | eeyore-: ($2000 soundcard is it) |
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| 00:22.35 | eeyore- | xchg: well the turtlebeach montego is affordable ($140 or so) |
| 00:22.35 | Tortel | take long? |
| 00:22.40 | gravity | Yeah |
| 00:22.45 | Tortel | :( |
| 00:22.54 | eeyore- | Tortel: opteron 250, 30 minutes or so, over before you know it |
| 00:22.56 | stew | hornhead: hwinfo --framebuffer ; pick a mode, write down the hex code (like 0x0316), then pass vga=0x316 to your kernel as a parameter, (by editing a #kopt line in menu.lst if you use grub) |
| 00:22.57 | hornhead | TauPan: nothing, it shows svgatextmode as a command though. and i keep getting command not found |
| 00:22.57 | xchg | eeyore-: i owned it from BMG-EUROPE a year ago :-) |
| 00:23.02 | verxion | stew: Thanks for the help - really appreciate it. Unfortunately, I still get repeating GRUB |
| 00:23.03 | gravity | Tortel: Stop that |
| 00:23.05 | Tortel | :( |
| 00:23.21 | xchg | eeyore-: anyway, RT processing is done a bit different way in linux than windows |
| 00:23.31 | Tortel | if its xchat it shows processor seed |
| 00:23.34 | TauPan | hornhead: the command is called SVGATextMode |
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| 00:23.37 | stew | verxion: is the drive still hdc or are you installing it as hdc then moving it to hda? |
| 00:23.59 | verxion | I am installing grub as hdc and moving it to hda |
| 00:24.12 | verxion | cuz I can only boot from the old hda |
| 00:24.15 | verxion | to try to configure it |
| 00:24.39 | stew | verxion: in that case you will need to change the root settings in menu.lst becuase they will be pointing to hdc |
| 00:25.38 | verxion | stew: I just checked, and they actually reference /hda1 |
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| 00:27.00 | verxion | # kernel/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 00:27.01 | verxion | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-k7 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 00:27.01 | verxion | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-k7 root=/dev/hda1 ro single |
| 00:27.01 | verxion | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 00:27.01 | verxion | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro single |
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| 00:27.13 | verxion | I think I got booted |
| 00:27.18 | SerajewelKS | verxion: no shit |
| 00:27.18 | Tortel | really? |
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| 00:27.29 | verxion | should have been four lines |
| 00:27.32 | verxion | no more |
| 00:27.38 | SerajewelKS | !tell verxion about pastebin |
| 00:27.45 | Tortel | was 5 before you got kicked |
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| 00:27.55 | Tortel | !aste |
| 00:27.58 | Tortel | damnit |
| 00:28.03 | Tortel | fucking gnome |
| 00:28.11 | SerajewelKS | !kde |
| 00:28.11 | dpkg | hmm... kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 00:28.12 | SerajewelKS | =D |
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| 00:28.14 | stew | verxion: i'm talking about the groot=(hd0,0) |
| 00:28.14 | Tortel | p key is dead |
| 00:28.16 | xchg | heh, an 10 qu-bit quantum chip was developed: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0%2c70001-0.html?tw=wn_tophead_5 |
| 00:28.40 | xchg | give them a couple of years and we'll have a thz cpus |
| 00:29.03 | verxion | stew: The only groot lines are commented out |
| 00:29.06 | pipeline | xchg: qubits are a separate problem from processing |
| 00:29.12 | pipeline | xchg: qubits are quantum memories |
| 00:29.34 | xchg | pipeline: relation to FPGA ? |
| 00:29.36 | pipeline | xchg: The leading edge in actual processor technology is quantum dot cellular automata. |
| 00:29.40 | xiaogil | what is the best image converter command I can use ? |
| 00:30.01 | SerajewelKS | xiaogil: define "best" |
| 00:30.02 | pipeline | xchg: no. "qubits" are multiple-state bits, just like it sounds like. They're hoping to end up, someday, with weird encryption engines. Not a general purpose processor. |
| 00:30.14 | pipeline | xchg: The whole thing with terahertz processing would be QCA, as I just mentioned. |
| 00:30.20 | verxion | stew: my guess is that the device.map is what is doing it instead of a groot line |
| 00:30.26 | xiaogil | SerajewelKS: the reference, the most complete |
| 00:30.30 | stew | verxion: no the groot lines aren't commented out |
| 00:30.42 | SerajewelKS | xiaogil: gimp maybe? |
| 00:30.50 | xchg | pipeline: imagine. not an Neumann login (0 or 1), rather, let's say 128-level logic |
| 00:30.59 | stew | verxion: the update-grub script reads them even though they start with a #, just like the #kopt lines |
| 00:31.01 | xchg | pipeline: where each level represents something |
| 00:31.04 | xiaogil | SerajewelKS: I thought about netpbm ? |
| 00:31.05 | verxion | stew: right now, a "cat menu.lst | grep groot" results in two lines: |
| 00:31.06 | SerajewelKS | xiaogil: what format do you need to convert to, and from what format |
| 00:31.13 | Tortel | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1544 |
| 00:31.17 | Tortel | any ideas? |
| 00:31.19 | verxion | ## e.g. groot=(hd0,0) |
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| 00:31.29 | verxion | # groot=(hd0,0) |
| 00:31.36 | verxion | so those both look commented out to me. . . |
| 00:31.42 | xiaogil | SerajewelKS: djvu to tiff to jpeg |
| 00:31.42 | xchg | pipeline: and the representing is fully programmable |
| 00:31.48 | stew | verxion: the second one isn't (though its correct) |
| 00:31.52 | SerajewelKS | xiaogil: djvu? |
| 00:31.53 | verxion | stew: ohhh, ok, I understnad |
| 00:31.56 | xchg | pipeline: depending on the current end-user applications |
| 00:31.58 | xchg | pipeline: depending on the current end-user applicationn |
| 00:32.10 | eeyore- | xchg how so? (different in linux than in windows) |
| 00:32.18 | stew | verxion: it tells update grub what to put into each kernel stanza |
| 00:32.36 | xchg | eeyore-: windows or linux doesnt' matter here, the chipset does |
| 00:32.46 | xiaogil | SerajewelKS: yes, excellent quality, and the tiniest files I've ever seen for such excellent quality |
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| 00:32.54 | xchg | eeyore-: CELL is working similary, but it's transistor-based |
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| 00:33.21 | hendry | W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: |
| 00:33.22 | SerajewelKS | xiaogil: generally when converting you pipe through individual converters |
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| 00:33.34 | xiaogil | SerajewelKS: but I've got an utility for converting from dejavu to tiff |
| 00:33.40 | hendry | I got this message, though it worked with GPG stuff before. Should I worry? |
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| 00:33.44 | verxion | stew: In that case, everything LOOKS right. . . |
| 00:33.57 | SerajewelKS | xiaogil: e.g., djvu2tiff < file.djvu | tiff2jpeg > file.jpeg |
| 00:33.59 | stew | hendry: /topic |
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| 00:34.09 | SerajewelKS | xiaogil: assuming those programs exist |
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| 00:34.45 | xchg | pipeline: btw, i've heared about some kind of plasma-based intercon |
| 00:34.46 | xiaogil | SerajewelKS: netpbm is probably a good choice |
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| 00:35.02 | xchg | pipeline: any idea on it ? |
| 00:35.02 | stew | hendry: you might want to read joeyh's apt-secure entry on the wiki, /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 00:35.17 | SerajewelKS | xiaogil: okay... |
| 00:35.23 | Fox_1_ | people when i write /usr/src/linux/make menuconfig it say "You must install ncurses-devel ...", but i haven't that package. what to do??? |
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| 00:35.46 | ryushe | any postfix wizards here who could help me with the error I get when trying to send mail? error is: "postfix/sendmail[19016]: fatal: usage: sendmail [options]" |
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| 00:35.49 | mada | hello all |
| 00:35.55 | stew | Fox_1_: install libncurses5-dev |
| 00:36.09 | xchg | Fox_1_: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 00:36.17 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: obviously the sendmail interface doesn't like a parameter you gave it. figure out which one and correct it. |
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| 00:36.26 | zamaliphe | hi all |
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| 00:37.01 | SerajewelKS | if i had a dime for every "h(i|ello| all"... |
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| 00:37.08 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > besides tailing mail.log, how could I test which option that would be? |
| 00:37.11 | Fox_1_ | stew and xchg when i write that it want to delete all my kde's packages |
| 00:37.17 | mada | SerajewelKS: i'm sorry |
| 00:37.30 | stew | Fox_1_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:37.31 | SerajewelKS | s/(<?\|.*)\|/)/ |
| 00:37.33 | xchg | proper. kde must die. just joking :-) |
| 00:37.38 | Fox_1_ | 3.1 |
| 00:37.49 | SerajewelKS | mada: no, it's okay.. new people don't know that it gets annoying.. it just does that's all |
| 00:37.53 | stew | Fox_1_: i don't believe you, you are on either testing or unstable |
| 00:38.11 | Fox_1_ | but the all installed packages are upgraded |
| 00:38.12 | mada | SerajewelKS: no worries, i will remember next time |
| 00:38.29 | xchg | Fox_1_: if you don't want to loose the existent KDE, use aptitude and Hold the nescessery packages |
| 00:38.30 | stew | Fox_1_: what does "apt-cache policy libncurses5-dev" say for Candidate: ? |
| 00:38.48 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > besides, running postfix afaik postfix creates a wrapper for sendmail? |
| 00:39.08 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: yes. read what i said again. |
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| 00:39.19 | [2am] | hey all |
| 00:39.22 | stew | xchg: he won't be able to hold it, its forcing a libc6 upgrade |
| 00:39.23 | Fox_1_ | stew it day 5.4-4 |
| 00:39.27 | [2am] | any tc/tcng expertests here? |
| 00:39.31 | Fox_1_ | day = say |
| 00:39.34 | SimonRaven | it's a symlink, not a wrapper |
| 00:39.35 | [2am] | err experts (damn im lagged) |
| 00:39.41 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > I did, and asked you another question in return : "besides tailing mail.log, how could I test which option that would be?" |
| 00:39.43 | zamaliphe | any one have an idea wher to get fribidi2 |
| 00:39.46 | xchg | stew: didn't knew, thx for advice |
| 00:39.48 | [2am] | or can someone point to a channel that'd be good to talk about traffic sharping? |
| 00:39.55 | [2am] | s/sharping/shaping |
| 00:40.04 | SimonRaven | #iptables ? |
| 00:40.10 | mada | anyone in here still running icewm these days? |
| 00:40.17 | stew | Fox_1_: what does "apt-cache policy kde-core" say? |
| 00:40.17 | [2am] | simon: ok. i tried #tc and #lartc but ya |
| 00:40.19 | [2am] | thanks |
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| 00:40.24 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: how should i know? you're the one invoking sendmail. |
| 00:40.30 | SimonRaven | !ask |
| 00:40.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:40.32 | stew | Fox_1_: for both Installed: and Candidate: |
| 00:40.40 | verxion | stew: Any idea what else I might be able to try? |
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| 00:41.01 | Fox_1_ | stew: Installed: 5:44 and Candidate: 5:44 |
| 00:41.05 | zamaliphe | any one have an idea wher to get fribidi2 ????? |
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| 00:41.27 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > true as that may be, this is a somewhat configured default install of postfix, all I'm trying to do is send mail via a client ... nothing special that I can think of? |
| 00:41.31 | zamaliphe | whear to find fribidi2 ????? |
| 00:41.37 | SimonRaven | heh, cute. star trek + 28.8k modems |
| 00:41.37 | stew | !conflicts libncurses5-dev sarge |
| 00:41.41 | dpkg | libncurses5-dev: ncurses-dev, ncurses-developer, libncurses-dev |
| 00:41.44 | xchg | stew: btw, you said not to recommend unstable here. what's wrong with it ? |
| 00:41.48 | SimonRaven | 'where' |
| 00:41.54 | SimonRaven | !tell zamaliphe -about ask |
| 00:41.57 | SimonRaven | !tell zamaliphe -about ep |
| 00:41.59 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: that client is probably using a sendmail option that postfix doesn't like. get another client. |
| 00:42.03 | SimonRaven | !tell zamaliphe -about repeat |
| 00:42.06 | zamaliphe | fribidi2 |
| 00:42.11 | stew | verxion: i'd try moving it to hda boot from a livecd, and repeat the mount -bind ; chroot ; grub-install |
| 00:42.15 | SimonRaven | !tell zamaliphe -about search |
| 00:42.21 | zamaliphe | wher i can find it |
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| 00:42.31 | stew | xchg: becuase people shouldn't be running it until they know what they are doing and don't need assistance here |
| 00:42.34 | zamaliphe | say in cvs |
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| 00:42.46 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > the client is an app called Mail, which is the default on a mac, besides, it works fine on another machine running a similar setup ... |
| 00:43.05 | Fox_1_ | stew so, what's the problem? |
| 00:43.08 | SimonRaven | zamaliphe: so visit their site and find the anon cvs ... |
| 00:43.08 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: "similar" is not "identical". obviously something is unhappy. |
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| 00:43.23 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: what is Mail? an OS X app? |
| 00:43.24 | stew | Fox_1_: /msg dpkg bat |
| 00:43.26 | verxion | k |
| 00:43.37 | xchg | stew: so let's mention #debian as 'stable' channel? i'm not joking, just newbie here |
| 00:43.46 | zamaliphe | i will try that |
| 00:43.52 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > yes, the default app you get from Apple, which so far has worked flawlessly with several different mailservers |
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| 00:44.01 | xchg | stew: rarely go to irc... |
| 00:44.16 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/mail/ |
| 00:44.27 | SerajewelKS | xchg: you can ask unstable questions if you have good reasons for using unstable. usually the only good reason is that you are a DD. |
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| 00:44.51 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: and postfix is installed on OS X? |
| 00:44.55 | stew | xchg: problem is that someone will come along and say "i run unstable and its awesome and never crashes" and recommends it to someone who is not ready for it, then we get stuck helping them with really basic stuff for weeks on their constantly broken unstable system |
| 00:45.00 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > no, debian |
| 00:45.11 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: how is Mail interfacing with postfix? |
| 00:45.13 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > otherwise I wouldn't be asking here ;) |
| 00:45.18 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > IMAP |
| 00:45.27 | stew | xchg: so we ask that if you are going to recommend unstable to someone you give them your cell phone and pager numbers so they can bug you when it breaks |
| 00:45.31 | SimonRaven | benjamindees: /msg chanserv help |
| 00:45.31 | xchg | SerajewelKS: i have no questions about unstable, i'm rather trying to help. but usually my help suck to unstable, since my development activities |
| 00:45.31 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: postfix does not provide IMAP |
| 00:45.52 | SimonRaven | SMTP != IMAP |
| 00:45.53 | SerajewelKS | xchg: ah, i thought you were asking about it, sorry |
| 00:45.55 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > hmm, good point, that would be courier then I take it |
| 00:46.01 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: yes |
| 00:46.04 | xchg | stew: i got the point i guess |
| 00:46.10 | xchg | SerajewelKS: it's ok :-) |
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| 00:46.33 | xchg | stew: maybe there's a need for #debian-stable/#debian-unstable here ? |
| 00:46.46 | SimonRaven | !simonraven quote is <reply>$randnick != $randnick |
| 00:46.47 | dpkg | SimonRaven: okay |
| 00:46.56 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: but if you send mail with SMTP, and postfix gives errors about sendmail then either (a) postfix is fubared or (b) the sendmail error is from something else |
| 00:47.03 | xchg | stew: 'coz IMHO unstable is more robust (let's face our today 3D questions here) |
| 00:47.11 | SimonRaven | i do FOO != BAR so often lately ... |
| 00:47.11 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: because i doubt that mail sent over SMTP to a postfix daemon ever, *EVER* finds its way to sendmail |
| 00:47.11 | CosmoDad | can I download a single .deb without its dependencies using apt-get/aptitude? |
| 00:47.31 | stew | xchg: 3d doesn't work as well in unstable, you get the same drivers but a broken xorg |
| 00:47.35 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad: afaik, no |
| 00:47.42 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > I don't even actually have sendmail installed, afaik it conflicts with postfix even |
| 00:47.59 | Fox_1_ | stew ok, what i must need for make xconfig??? |
| 00:48.01 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: postfix provides a sendmail binary for compatibility with sendmail apps |
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| 00:48.06 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: too bad, thx |
| 00:48.10 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > in which case I take it postfix/courier emulates sendmail capabilities |
| 00:48.16 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: and for postfix to use that, or *any* external program to deliver mail, is very doubtful |
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| 00:48.24 | xchg | stew: i saw today 2 people i could help, by couldn't, becose they're running stable with 2.6.8 |
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| 00:48.29 | [2am] | hmm. no luck in #iptables |
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| 00:48.34 | [2am] | looking for a tc expert |
| 00:48.42 | SerajewelKS | [2am]: tc? |
| 00:48.48 | xchg | stew: and 2.6.15 will be available only in a week (watch mailing list) |
| 00:48.49 | [2am] | for traffic shaping |
| 00:48.50 | morphology | yarrr |
| 00:48.59 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > in that case, why would the sendmail binary for compatibility be included then? (noob question) |
| 00:49.09 | james^ | i'm use woody |
| 00:49.10 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: included in what? |
| 00:49.15 | james^ | how to install php-eaccelerator-5.0.4_0.9.3-4.fc4.src.rpm packet |
| 00:49.19 | james^ | ?? |
| 00:49.19 | stew | Fox_1_: apt-cache show kernel-source-2.6.8 , it will be a qt pacakge listed in the Suggests: |
| 00:49.22 | james^ | can help |
| 00:49.26 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > well, provided then by postfix? |
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| 00:49.42 | stew | xchg: yeah but they could run a newer kernel on sarge still get the same drivers on sarge |
| 00:49.46 | benjamindees | [2am], try #shorewall |
| 00:49.51 | morphology | I've been getting apt weirdness: When I try to access the repositories I get the following- W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org testing Release: The following |
| 00:49.51 | morphology | signatures could not be verified because the public key is not available: |
| 00:49.51 | morphology | NO_PUBKEY ################## |
| 00:49.52 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: um, because almost every script on your system that sends mail does it through sendmail? |
| 00:49.52 | james^ | # rpm -ivh php-eaccelerator-5.0.4_0.9.3-4.fc4.src.rpm |
| 00:49.53 | james^ | bash: rpm: command not found |
| 00:50.02 | [2am] | ben: thanks |
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| 00:50.15 | james^ | how to install *.rpm on my woody ?? |
| 00:50.19 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: if an MTA doesn't provide a sendmail binary then it'd better not be running on a *nix system |
| 00:50.19 | stew | morphology: /topic |
| 00:50.20 | morphology | and when I try to install something I get NOT AUTHENTICATED from the package |
| 00:50.26 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > just tell me when to shut up btw when the questions get too noobish :) |
| 00:50.28 | morphology | sorry... inadvertant |
| 00:50.32 | SerajewelKS | james^: why would you want to do that |
| 00:50.37 | xchg | stew: i guess there're a 2-end pipe. they can't get a newer kernel, becouse it's stable, but they can't compile their own, 'coz no knowledge at them |
| 00:50.42 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > and thanks for providing that background info |
| 00:50.44 | D`Away | james^ > use alien |
| 00:50.48 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: np |
| 00:50.53 | stew | xchg: the can dpkg -i a kernel from testing |
| 00:51.15 | SerajewelKS | james^: alien will probably not work for anything even mildly complicated, such as php modules |
| 00:51.17 | xchg | stew: it'll broke a lot of things IMHO |
| 00:51.22 | stew | nope |
| 00:51.22 | morphology | Is there a reason I no longer get authentication from the usual apt repositories? |
| 00:51.28 | xchg | stew: s/broke/break |
| 00:51.30 | SerajewelKS | james^: download the source and build it yourself if you need it |
| 00:51.55 | ryushe | morphology > afaik it's something to do with what's in the topic, ie. the 2006 key thing |
| 00:52.08 | SerajewelKS | james^: especially on woody, with a new RPM.. that is simply *not* going to work |
| 00:52.15 | morphology | huh?... I'll look at the topic... |
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| 00:52.31 | morphology | yes, it stopped working 'round new years |
| 00:52.35 | ryushe | morphology > always a good idea to check the topic tho ;) |
| 00:52.44 | xchg | stew: just to make a things clear. i don't want to go to discussion about stable-unstable adventages with you :-) just want to help as much people as possible |
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| 00:52.59 | Dewi | do RPMs ever apply a goddamn patch? |
| 00:53.00 | morphology | msg dpkg apt secure |
| 00:53.04 | morphology | oops! |
| 00:53.12 | morphology | that topic? |
| 00:53.25 | SerajewelKS | !tell morphology about 2006 key |
| 00:53.32 | SimonRaven | no /topic topic |
| 00:53.35 | ryushe | morphology > /msg dpkg 2006 key |
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| 00:54.08 | Fox_1_ | stew i just install libncurses5-dev and now make menuconfig work |
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| 00:54.39 | stew | xchg: the only stipulation with running an etch kernel on sarge is that you have to use gcc4 if you want compile 3rd party modules, otherwise its fine |
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| 00:55.17 | xchg | stew: and hand-compiled kernels ? |
| 00:55.26 | Opiated | hi, while on sid, dpkg-reconigure xserver-xorg does not generate an xorg.conf in /etc/X11/. whats could be going on? |
| 00:55.37 | SimonRaven | !xmd5 |
| 00:55.37 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 00:55.43 | morphology | so If I upgrade apt, all will be good wrt the key? |
| 00:55.51 | stew | xchg: that's fine, they compile with sarge no problem, its just that etch's kernel is compiled with gcc4 so any modules you want to load into the kernel need to also be gcc4 compiled |
| 00:55.54 | dvm1981 | yes so that my ATI will works a day ... |
| 00:55.56 | neuterspay | I used to be able to edit /etc/apt/sources.list from the command line but now it's saying that connection is refused by server and invalid MIT-magic-cookie key |
| 00:56.03 | ryushe | morphology > that's the idea |
| 00:56.11 | stew | xchg: and actually gcc4 now requires sarges libc6 so that is a problem |
| 00:56.12 | xchg | stew: kernel-kpgk is trying to gave awesome freedom using debian restricts |
| 00:56.14 | neuterspay | How can I edit /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 00:56.21 | Opiated | there exists no xorg.conf or XF86Config-4 |
| 00:56.29 | SimonRaven | with an editor |
| 00:56.34 | stew | neuterspay: "editor /etc/apt/sources.list" or use apt-setup |
| 00:56.39 | SimonRaven | Opiated: it's in /etc/X11 |
| 00:56.51 | Opiated | SimonRaven: i know, its not there |
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| 00:57.13 | xchg | stew: dependencies are always the problems, several month ago i wrote to debian-dev about it, but no one had react |
| 00:57.17 | stew | Opiated: touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; then read /msg dpkg xmd5 ; and follow the instructions in there (substituting xorg for XF86Config-4) |
| 00:57.18 | morphology | but upgrading apt want to update a whole boat load of things, including XFree... all unauthenticated... is this a good idea? |
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| 00:57.30 | xchg | to be honest, my oppinion is that we're following the windoze way |
| 00:57.35 | SimonRaven | so --reinstall xserver-xorg with --force-confmiss |
| 00:57.38 | neuterspay | stew and SimonRaven, another program may be editing the same file? None that I know of. An edit session for this file has crashed. :( |
| 00:57.52 | Opiated | stew: i don't have either xorg or xf86's config files in /etc/X11. i can't seem to generate one with dpkg-reconfigure. what do i do? |
| 00:57.52 | xchg | user should do ONLY the things allowed to do, even he is root |
| 00:57.57 | neuterspay | Got it. |
| 00:58.00 | stew | Opiated: what SimonRaven says is probably better, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 00:58.06 | Opiated | ok |
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| 00:58.37 | SimonRaven | neuterspay: o_O |
| 00:59.07 | SimonRaven | this thing seriously needs more RAM. IDE bus is rather RAM dependent, innit? |
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| 01:00.09 | benjamindees | xchg, you don't think the changes, with gcc4 for instance, will allow more flexibility than "the windows way" ? |
| 01:00.58 | SimonRaven | WTF does "the windows way" mean anyway, and what's that have to do with gcc? |
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| 01:01.11 | rendi | hi help urgent |
| 01:01.23 | xchg | benjamindees: gcc4 changes for example ? |
| 01:01.26 | benjamindees | SimonRaven, I don't know, maybe it doesn't... |
| 01:01.30 | SimonRaven | !tell rendi -about ask |
| 01:01.41 | rendi | it's me james |
| 01:01.45 | SimonRaven | !hurry |
| 01:01.45 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 01:01.48 | rendi | how to install php-eaccelerator-5.0.4_0.9.3-4.2.fc4.rf.src.rpm on my woody |
| 01:01.54 | rendi | i'm join #fedora |
| 01:02.02 | rendi | but they say i must join this chan ?? |
| 01:02.05 | xchg | benjamindees: i mean there're the strict guidelines about...for example you should have to run X -configure, you have to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-bla |
| 01:02.13 | sifi-x | stew, so If I want to regenereate /etc/apache2/httpd.conf I should use "dpkg --force-confmiss apache2" ? |
| 01:02.17 | rendi | i have alien installed |
| 01:02.17 | SimonRaven | #fedora won't help you with debian... |
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| 01:02.26 | SimonRaven | so use it |
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| 01:02.36 | neuterspay | Why don't I have an etc/apt/preferences file\folder? How can I add backports entry to it if I don't have it? |
| 01:02.49 | SimonRaven | sifi-x: apache2 uses apache2.conf |
| 01:02.53 | rendi | so i can't install that packaget ??? |
| 01:02.55 | xchg | benjamindees: so everything is config *dependent* |
| 01:02.59 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > would it be logical to assume that installing postfix should provide the neccessary files to have sendmail to 'work' ? |
| 01:03.03 | SimonRaven | httpd.conf is for local changes |
| 01:03.14 | rendi | ok what packaget beside memchached ?? |
| 01:03.15 | dvm1981 | Installing a Debian machine in a virtual computer, prepare it to migrate to 'testing' :-) |
| 01:03.16 | xchg | benjamindees: dpkg depend. in other words |
| 01:03.18 | sifi-x | SimonRaven, well, how would I regenereate it if its gone? |
| 01:03.28 | stew | sifi-x: apt-get install --reinstall --force-confmiss apache2-common |
| 01:03.33 | SimonRaven | rendi: use alien on the rpm ... |
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| 01:03.44 | benjamindees | xchg, okay I totally misunderstood you; you meant help in the channel is "the windows way" ? |
| 01:03.48 | blazefx | What up all? |
| 01:03.53 | rendi | i typo alie phpn -eaccelerator-5.0.4_0.9.3-4.2.fc4.rf.src.rpm ?? |
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| 01:03.58 | SimonRaven | sifi-x: if you added anything to it it won't get your custom stuff back ... |
| 01:04.00 | rendi | mean alien php-eaccelerator-5.0.4_0.9.3-4.2.fc4.rf.src.rpm |
| 01:04.07 | xchg | benjamindees: erm, sorry, but i think you're totally misunderstanded me |
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| 01:04.38 | SimonRaven | *cough* backups *cough* |
| 01:04.56 | rendi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.59 | rendi | SimonRaven ? |
| 01:05.06 | neuterspay | Does anybody know about adding backports' required entry to /etc/apt/preferences? I cannot find said file. |
| 01:05.11 | SimonRaven | no |
| 01:05.15 | sifi-x | stew, "apt-get install --reinstall --force-confmiss apache2-common" gave me "E: Command line option --force-confmiss is not understood" |
| 01:05.17 | xchg | benjamindees: i just wanted to say - linux user have to choice the any way instead of distro. If he want to do X -configure instead of debian - let him do it. Does it want to use unstable ? It's upon on him |
| 01:05.28 | SimonRaven | neuterspay: so create it |
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| 01:05.32 | morphology | cool! the key update in /msg dpkg 2006 key worked! |
| 01:05.34 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: you're missing the point |
| 01:05.38 | stew | sifi-x: i forget, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 01:05.38 | Fox_1_ | after make menuconfig what i must to do? |
| 01:05.44 | neuterspay | Just a text that says... what it says to paste? |
| 01:05.44 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: Mail is talking to postfix over SMTP, right? |
| 01:05.46 | stew | Fox_1_: /msg dpkg kp |
| 01:05.47 | neuterspay | k |
| 01:05.55 | rendi | k |
| 01:05.56 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > yes |
| 01:06.01 | rendi | how to clear my cache ? |
| 01:06.02 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: then sendmail is not in the picture |
| 01:06.07 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: something *else* is using sendmail |
| 01:06.08 | xchg | benjamindees: but there're shouldn NOT be a guidelines like "he shouldn't use unstable here", "he shold use dpkg-config xserver", etc.. |
| 01:06.09 | rendi | wht command to do that |
| 01:06.10 | SimonRaven | sifi-x: dpkg, not apt-get |
| 01:06.11 | SimonRaven | siread the factoid again |
| 01:06.15 | stew | rendi: which cache? |
| 01:06.29 | SimonRaven | rendi: man alien |
| 01:06.29 | rendi | allllll cache |
| 01:06.41 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 01:06.43 | stew | rendi: cache of what? |
| 01:06.43 | rendi | i wanna complete remove alien |
| 01:06.45 | benjamindees | xchg, I agree with that, but it doesn't make helping any easier... |
| 01:06.51 | dvm1981 | rendi: Some troubles to sleep ? |
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| 01:06.55 | orangey | hey all! |
| 01:06.57 | rendi | gees |
| 01:06.59 | rendi | i wanna complete remove alien |
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| 01:07.05 | rendi | i suck of my disk space |
| 01:07.07 | orangey | I would like to setup "greylisting". What do y'all suggest? (I'm using postfix at the moment) |
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| 01:07.15 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > how would I find out then why when i try to send a mail via that mailserver, which fails (according to mail.log due to sendmail), what would be the failing part here? as I understand that sending mail via smtp never even touches sendmail |
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| 01:07.36 | xchg | benjamindees: there're a lot of users. somebody using unstable, someone testing, someoune unstable... let's help them to each other |
| 01:07.36 | rendi | just give to me that command |
| 01:08.00 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: try using another client on that same server |
| 01:08.01 | rendi | ? |
| 01:08.05 | rendi | no one ? |
| 01:08.08 | xchg | benjamindees: the best solution at my oppinion would be a prefix after the nickname, [u], t or s |
| 01:08.08 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: using SMTP as well, see if it's a server issue |
| 01:08.09 | xchg | :-) |
| 01:08.11 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > will do, one sec |
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| 01:08.29 | benjamindees | xchg, but with the rate of change in open source software lately, advice that is six months old can be completely worthless |
| 01:08.33 | morphology | will installing x11-Common and upgrading xfree86-Common hose up my settings? it took me a long time to get X configured properly |
| 01:08.35 | stew | rendi: apt-get remove --purge alien |
| 01:08.45 | linuxnewbie101 | all of a sudden i can not write to my thumb drive can someone help me out on this it use to work properly but now i dont have permissions or something |
| 01:08.50 | Tchiak | i'm trying to mount a share from one debian box to another when i try mount <IP>:<share> <mnt point> it says " |
| 01:09.03 | Tchiak | mount: RPC: Program not registered" |
| 01:09.10 | stew | morphology: it wont, if it does you can just restore from your backup |
| 01:09.13 | SerajewelKS | Tchiak: ah, the dreaded " error message ;) |
| 01:09.14 | xchg | benjamindees: the thing made me mad today was that i wasn't "able to do X -configure" with somebody |
| 01:09.14 | Tchiak | what am i doing wrong and how can i get this working |
| 01:09.15 | Tchiak | ? |
| 01:09.16 | benjamindees | xchg, something like that would be very helpful |
| 01:09.28 | Tchiak | sera my enter key is a wee bit twitchy on this thing |
| 01:09.41 | morphology | ah... backup? that sounds like a good idea... just which of the X config files do I backup? |
| 01:09.42 | SerajewelKS | Tchiak: sounds like the rpc service on the other box doesn't know about nfs |
| 01:09.49 | xchg | benjamindees: damn, the trick i told would work, but i have not to use it becose it's not a "debian way" |
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| 01:10.13 | dvm1981 | xchg: Sorry if it was with me :-( |
| 01:10.25 | SerajewelKS | !wayttd benjamindees |
| 01:10.25 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, benjamindees? |
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| 01:10.34 | morphology | I've backed up XF86Config-4... is that the one to backup? |
| 01:10.53 | xchg | benjamindees: it's the matter i mentioned the "way". there're a lot of "ways". "M$ way", "RH way" "Debian way", "Slackware way". Since the kernel is linux, does it _matter_ ? :-) |
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| 01:11.40 | SerajewelKS | morphology: dpkg doesn't touch config files if you've edited them by hand |
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| 01:11.53 | morphology | cook |
| 01:12.04 | morphology | er... cool... and you can cook that too |
| 01:12.06 | xchg | benjamindees: anyway i stop flaming right now, it's better purpose to move linux-advocacy i guess |
| 01:12.13 | ijaehe | how do I look for broken links? |
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| 01:12.25 | adrakoa | hi |
| 01:12.29 | Tchiak | i have NFS modules loaded in each kernel |
| 01:12.34 | SerajewelKS | ijaehe: generally you click a link and look for "404" |
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| 01:12.36 | Tchiak | what would i do to get this working? |
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| 01:12.45 | Fox_1_ | as i understand "make menuconfig" configure kernel "make" make it and "make install" install? |
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| 01:13.19 | ijaehe | SerajewelKS, but it's not html |
| 01:13.22 | ijaehe | it's a file |
| 01:13.33 | ijaehe | "ln -s" |
| 01:13.34 | morphology | doesn't look like xfree86-Common provides any config files anyway... here goes nothing |
| 01:13.39 | SerajewelKS | ijaehe: aha, symlinks |
| 01:14.09 | kar_away | hey folks |
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| 01:14.17 | SerajewelKS | ijaehe: have a look at the 'symlinks' package |
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| 01:14.25 | morphology | wheeee! |
| 01:14.33 | kar | hi again |
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| 01:14.44 | kar | i had a question |
| 01:14.45 | sifi-x | when I trying to open MySQL CC I get: "mysqlcc: error while loading shared libraries: libXft.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:14.45 | Tchiak | is anyone here available to help me with the whole mounting a share linux-linux? |
| 01:14.45 | sifi-x | ", how can I fix it |
| 01:14.47 | SerajewelKS | out of curiosity, is it safe to do a read-only fsck of a mounted filesystem? scan, but don't touch? |
| 01:15.06 | inetd_ | test |
| 01:15.16 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: apt-get install libxft2 |
| 01:15.20 | kar | wow, this channel is busy |
| 01:15.21 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: maybe.. depends what version is in there |
| 01:15.44 | SerajewelKS | kar: this is a fairly average night |
| 01:15.48 | smo_ | hi i m trying to compile vlc but i have an error with libx264.a libx264.a(encoder.o): In function `x264_encoder_encode': référence indéfinie vers « pthread_join » and the same with « pthread_join » any idear?? |
| 01:15.49 | kar | I need to admin a lab with eight machines and I dont want to admin each machine individually |
| 01:15.50 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, "libxft2 is already the newest version." |
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| 01:16.10 | sts9 | Im having an issue building my kernel. IT errors-out looking for a folder called "debian/buildinfo" in my kernel source. I have the debian folder but not "buildinfo" folder. im using kernel 2.6.15 and have compiled it before successfully. |
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| 01:16.12 | kar | can people give me some pointers so that I can quickly admin all machines instead of each one by hand |
| 01:16.16 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: indeed.. that's .so.2 hmm |
| 01:16.17 | smo_ | it s ffmpeg not vlc... |
| 01:16.33 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: stable/testing/unstable? |
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| 01:16.40 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, hmm, it was fine without any msg in sarge, running Etch no |
| 01:16.41 | blazefx | I just found a bunch of files in my tmp dir. When I do a netstat it says there is multiple connections to these files. Is there anyway in which I can try to track how they got there, or what they do? |
| 01:16.42 | sifi-x | now |
| 01:16.44 | ijaehe | SerajewelKS, this package doesn't come with slackware either is at linuxpackages.net ;o |
| 01:16.52 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: mysqlcc doesn't exist in etch |
| 01:16.53 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, running Etch now |
| 01:16.56 | blazefx | and i mean /tmp/ |
| 01:17.05 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: or unstable, so the libs it depends on are not required to exist either |
| 01:17.14 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, nope, its decompressed |
| 01:17.20 | SerajewelKS | ijaehe: what? |
| 01:17.27 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: i know |
| 01:17.32 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, so what am I doing? |
| 01:17.32 | adrakoa | blazefx you can use lsof |
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| 01:17.44 | ijaehe | "have a look at the 'symlinks' package" |
| 01:17.46 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: doing? |
| 01:17.52 | blazefx | thanks |
| 01:17.58 | neuterspay | Anybody here use Nicotine? If not, what p2p do you guys use? Other than torrent? |
| 01:17.59 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: mysqlcc just doesn't work unless you're on sarge.. that's all there is to it. |
| 01:18.00 | sifi-x | Sememmon, I want MySQL CC up and running |
| 01:18.17 | SerajewelKS | neuterspay: are you taking a poll or do you have a question |
| 01:18.40 | sifi-x | Sememmon, tere must be some way to run MySLQ CC in Etch |
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| 01:19.10 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: it's SerajewelKS, and you could always try to get libxft from sarge repositories |
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| 01:19.11 | neuterspay | SerajewelKS, also everybody else: I currently have Nicotine, but cannot get it to connect. Does anybody recommend or use a particular p2p that they're happy with, other than torrents? |
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| 01:19.22 | patrick | crap |
| 01:19.25 | patrick | this is cool |
| 01:19.28 | patrick | wow |
| 01:19.29 | patrick | fund |
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| 01:19.34 | neuterspay | What's up Patrick. |
| 01:19.34 | patrick | hahaha |
| 01:19.37 | nowec | hehe, and my answer is in the topic... nice |
| 01:19.38 | SerajewelKS | neuterspay: (a) gtk-gnutella, (b) what's wrong with torrents |
| 01:19.43 | patrick | wow |
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| 01:20.08 | neuterspay | SerajewelKS: Nothing's wrong with torrents, just already have a beautiful client set up that works wonderfully. I'm now looking for a soulseek client that works well. |
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| 01:20.24 | SerajewelKS | neuterspay: oh.. well gtk-gnutella is a gnutella client =P |
| 01:20.37 | oigres | What's deb name for the package that "loads" modules automatically? |
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| 01:20.44 | neuterspay | Yes SerajewelKS, I know. |
| 01:20.51 | xchg | neuterspay: what's that beutiful client? azureus ? |
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| 01:20.56 | nowec | Do I need the package with that key-problem? |
| 01:20.59 | SerajewelKS | oigres: hotplug |
| 01:21.00 | neuterspay | xchg: :) Yep. |
| 01:21.14 | oigres | SerajewelKS: cheers, that's the one i'm looking for! |
| 01:21.19 | neuterspay | xchg: That little blue frog represents massive datastreams to me |
| 01:21.20 | SerajewelKS | neuterspay: azureus is indeed beautiful on the outside, but inside is a POS |
| 01:21.21 | xchg | neuterspay: hm..not so beutiful, ate 256 megs of RAM ;-) |
| 01:21.39 | SerajewelKS | neuterspay: never do 'ps ax | grep azureus' while running for a few days or you'll have a fit |
| 01:21.45 | SerajewelKS | oigres: np |
| 01:21.48 | neuterspay | xchg: you have a better one that you suggest? |
| 01:21.57 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > I've determined that when sending mail with the mailserver as outgoing mailserver it works, but when logging in via IMAP and trying to send via IMAP it fails ... suggestions where I could look in this case? |
| 01:22.09 | neuterspay | Serajewel, I'll keep that in mind. Ha |
| 01:22.09 | seeds | azureus is asking for lots of dependencies |
| 01:22.09 | xchg | neuterspay: hm, i started to write "but at least it works" |
| 01:22.19 | xchg | neuterspay: but you were the first :) |
| 01:22.23 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: aha, okay. i didn't know that IMAP could send mail. this means that courier is using sendmail improperly. |
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| 01:22.34 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: look in the courier logs and see if it shows the command-line it used to invoke sendmail. |
| 01:22.43 | neuterspay | seeds, xchg, you guys have any that work well that you like? I'm like with my first week on linux... getting everything set up. |
| 01:23.00 | blazefx | any one know what /tmp/orbit-username is? |
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| 01:23.13 | xchg | neuterspay: unfortently azureus is the best IMHO :-( |
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| 01:23.20 | SerajewelKS | neuterspay: i use azureus too, mainly because it works and is very user-friendly. but the moment something else comes along that does half as good a job as it does, i'm there. |
| 01:23.24 | seeds | well i tried it before and it worked then i had to reinstall debian and then azureus just wouldn't work |
| 01:23.29 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > as far as I can see, courier doesn't keep it's own logs, but uses the /var/log/mail/mail.* as log files |
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| 01:23.35 | xchg | neuterspay: let's rewrite it with gtk2 and it will be the best of the best |
| 01:23.48 | morphology | yarrr! what is libx11-6, and can I live without it? |
| 01:23.49 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > and I don't see any entries in those files atm :( |
| 01:23.58 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: you can try turning up the courier verbosity level... |
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| 01:24.05 | neuterspay | xchg, seeds, serajewelKS, thanks a lot guys. See you |
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| 01:24.21 | quittt | is anyone here having problems with GDM? |
| 01:24.31 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, have you ever used MySQL CC in Etch? |
| 01:24.33 | SerajewelKS | !tell quittt about ask |
| 01:24.33 | morphology | I got an error saying that apt could not overwrite /locale/lib/common/ximcp.so.2... so it killed the subprocess... no libx11-6 for me |
| 01:24.40 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: once upon a time, yes |
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| 01:24.48 | xchg | magyar: are you Hungarian ? |
| 01:24.50 | dhuv | hello all |
| 01:24.51 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: probably before the libXft package you need was removed from etch |
| 01:24.54 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, ok, had you the same problem |
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| 01:25.06 | adrakoa | quittt what problem, explain better please... |
| 01:25.13 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, ok, shiiiite |
| 01:25.18 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > looking into it now |
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| 01:25.39 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: i hated mysqlcc btw ;) |
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| 01:25.46 | quittt | adrakoa, a problem with face navigator |
| 01:25.47 | morphology | why can't apt overwrite certain things? |
| 01:25.52 | quittt | nothing is being shown |
| 01:25.53 | nekostar | hi! :) |
| 01:25.54 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, what are you using then? |
| 01:26.13 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: for DB design i use phpMyAdmin. for administration i use mysql. |
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| 01:26.18 | nekostar | does debian have active reps that go to do demonstrations at conventions and the like? |
| 01:26.29 | adrakoa | quittt but this a problem from you xserver i think ( xorg ) |
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| 01:27.23 | morphology | is libx11_6 merely a development library? or do I really need it? should I force install it? |
| 01:27.31 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: i can insert a record with the command-line client twice as fast as you can with mysqlcc, phpmyadmin, or any GUI =P |
| 01:27.36 | TraceGreen | hello, how can i dialup to connect to internet? i am using modem. |
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| 01:27.47 | SerajewelKS | TraceGreen: apt-get install wvdial; man wvdial |
| 01:27.47 | neuterspay | Quick question on style and proper usage: I should put my tar.gz's and tar.bz2's into which directory before extracting them to that directory - any particular folder in the filesystem that's to be used for this kind of thing other than my home directory? |
| 01:27.52 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, well, mysql is CLI, it takes time to fill in the columns |
| 01:27.59 | TraceGreen | i use pppconfig, after pppconfig, nothing happen |
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| 01:28.04 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, sure? |
| 01:28.25 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: positive. by the time it takes you to navigate to the database, i'll have the query half done |
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| 01:29.11 | adrakoa | quittt do you use testing or stable? |
| 01:29.16 | Jotto_Pilz | hi |
| 01:29.23 | magyar | xchg, nope am a magyar ! |
| 01:29.42 | Jotto_Pilz | i'm running sarge, i need hints on how to enable my external usb dvd-drive, any? |
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| 01:30.07 | quittt | testing of course |
| 01:30.09 | odla | Jotto_Pilz, pmount |
| 01:30.09 | james^ | help again |
| 01:30.12 | james^ | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 01:30.16 | xchg | magyar: magyar in Hungarian mean Hungarian ;-) |
| 01:30.17 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, I would say that it depends of how many querys we are talking about, I cant belive that CLI is more effective then GUI if one is sitting for 15 minutes or more |
| 01:30.20 | james^ | what's is c compiler ? |
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| 01:30.23 | SerajewelKS | james^: O_o |
| 01:30.27 | stew | !b-e james^ |
| 01:30.27 | dpkg | james^: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 01:30.29 | james^ | :D |
| 01:30.38 | odla | Jotto_Pilz, pmount /dev/sda /whereyouwantit/mountedto |
| 01:30.39 | SerajewelKS | james^: are you sure you're even running debian? |
| 01:30.41 | james^ | c++ > |
| 01:30.41 | sifi-x | !tell james^ gcc |
| 01:30.48 | SerajewelKS | gcc doesn't get installed by default? |
| 01:30.55 | james^ | i have installed gcc |
| 01:30.55 | sifi-x | !tell james^ about gcc |
| 01:31.00 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: depends |
| 01:31.03 | james^ | # gcc |
| 01:31.04 | james^ | gcc: no input files |
| 01:31.06 | james^ | blah |
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| 01:31.09 | adrakoa | quittt dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver |
| 01:31.11 | lnxnt | what is the problem with parameterizing a curve, which cannot be stated as a function and plotting it depending on parameter time t ? |
| 01:31.16 | arava | Jotto -- what USB DVD-Drive ? |
| 01:31.24 | james^ | !cc |
| 01:31.25 | dpkg | from memory, cc is Cocos (Keeling) Islands |
| 01:31.27 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: if i know exactly what i'm doing to what table, CLI is tons faster |
| 01:31.33 | james^ | !c compiler |
| 01:31.35 | stew | james^: build-essential |
| 01:31.40 | stew | !faq james^ |
| 01:31.41 | dpkg | james^: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 01:31.41 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: if i have to look around first, GUI might be faster, but not always |
| 01:31.44 | magyar | xchg, nope, you got it all wrong hungarian is one that lives in Hungary, a magyar is a "pure bred" :) |
| 01:31.52 | adrakoa | quittt or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:31.53 | james^ | # build-essential |
| 01:31.53 | james^ | bash: build-essential: command not found |
| 01:31.56 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, cool |
| 01:32.01 | stew | james^: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 01:32.03 | magyar | a polak could live in Hungary and be Hungarian |
| 01:32.08 | ladyisabel77 | !it |
| 01:32.08 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 01:32.15 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, maybe I shold give it a try then... |
| 01:32.31 | TraceGreen | SerajewelKS, when i use WvDial, it tells me don't exist wvdial.conf and Cann't open /dev/modem, how can i deal with it? |
| 01:32.45 | ryushe | sifi-x > if nothing else, it's always very very handy to know syntax from the CLI when using mysql ;) |
| 01:32.50 | SerajewelKS | TraceGreen: you didn't do 'man wvdial' |
| 01:32.52 | Jotto_Pilz | odla: i guess my problem is more deep. actually my system does not know about anything about my drive. /dev/sda exists, but dmesg for example does not say any about my drive. and it's of course not mountable. |
| 01:32.55 | adrakoa | quittt after choose, you can use /etc/init.rd/gdm restart |
| 01:33.10 | james^ | I LOVE YOU DEAR |
| 01:33.12 | james^ | c ya |
| 01:33.14 | james^ | Thanks |
| 01:33.14 | Tchiak | anyone else having problems getting packages from debian mirrors? |
| 01:33.15 | sifi-x | ryushe, I totaly agree, at least when it comes to stand alone servers |
| 01:33.35 | morphology | I was... what problems you having Tchiak ? |
| 01:33.41 | Tchiak | like not connecting |
| 01:33.42 | Tchiak | o_o |
| 01:33.45 | arava | Jotto what does lsusb say ? |
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| 01:33.52 | ozgurgerilla | how do I delete search engines in firefox? |
| 01:33.57 | arava | Jotto -- does it show any devices ? |
| 01:33.58 | Tchiak | temporary failure resolving |
| 01:34.04 | Tchiak | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.20 | morphology | eh? which server Tchiak ? |
| 01:34.30 | ryushe | sifi-x > and the more you use it, the faster you get in working with the CLI. By now I think depending on the circumstances I'm faster on the CLI as with a GUI as well |
| 01:34.40 | Jotto_Pilz | arava: it lists bus 001, 002, 003 and 004, 002 says it's my logitech mouse, that's al |
| 01:34.48 | Tchiak | mirrors.kernel.org security.debian.org mirrors.debian.org |
| 01:34.56 | newjunk | how do i get zlib installed? |
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| 01:35.19 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > I looked through the courier config files, I can't find anything relating to where and/or how it writes to a logfile :( |
| 01:35.25 | sifi-x | ryushe, thats cool, where should I start learning? |
| 01:35.32 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: hrm... check the BTS? |
| 01:35.42 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > BTS? |
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| 01:35.43 | xchg | stew: so you're developing MTU for afro-americans (sorry for a late answer, just now went here completely) |
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| 01:35.51 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: and/or check the courier config files for the sendmail command it uses |
| 01:35.57 | gpm | hi all. i'm trying to get my box to be able to display umlauts and other funny foreign characters instead of a bunch of garbage. i've installed locales, set the default as UTF8 and set LC_CTYPE and LC_ALL to UTF8 in ~/.bashrc...is there something else i can do? |
| 01:36.00 | arava | Jotto: Then it is surely not detected .. Try removing the Cable power it off.. power it on and then plug in the cable |
| 01:36.16 | adrakoa | newjunk you can search with apt-cache search zlib | less |
| 01:36.27 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > imapd:SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 01:36.29 | xchg | hm...btw, Africa continet are afro-americans or negers right now...dunno :-) |
| 01:36.30 | morphology | well, I never did resolve that broken libx11_6.... I'm gonna restart now..... if libx11_6 is mission critical, I might not be back |
| 01:36.34 | morphology | wish me luck |
| 01:36.46 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > and that binary is actually there |
| 01:36.50 | Jotto_Pilz | arava: still the same |
| 01:36.52 | adrakoa | newjunk if you find that, apt-get install xxxx |
| 01:36.55 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: of course it's there |
| 01:37.11 | Sunbug | Need a hint here. Just innstaled debian and vlc media player. Both vlc and the system volumcontrol gets errors on "no mixer found".. Any idea how to fix this? |
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| 01:37.30 | odla | Sunbug, do you have alsa installed? |
| 01:37.34 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > the only thing I do is require a user is authenticated when trying to send mail, which is true for both pop3 and imap btw |
| 01:37.50 | arava | if u power it on the lsusb should show something |
| 01:38.06 | arava | even if theer was no USB driver |
| 01:38.11 | ryushe | sifi-x > well, that totally depends. MySQL via the CLI is simply knowing ones mysql commands actually |
| 01:38.27 | arava | atleast some USB dev ID |
| 01:38.30 | arava | and stuff |
| 01:38.30 | ryushe | sifi-x > and also knowing the database you're working with or setting up |
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| 01:38.50 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: change it to this: SENDMAIL=/usr/bin/perl -e 'open(SLOG, ">>/tmp/imaplog"); print SLOG "[$_] " for @ARGV; print SLOG "\n"; close SLOG' |
| 01:39.11 | sifi-x | ryushe, should I edit the databases from mysql as CLI or with phpMyAdmin? |
| 01:39.11 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: restart your imap server, try to send mail again, and then 'cat /tmp/imaplog' |
| 01:39.14 | Sunbug | odla: Nope. Install it then? Btw, is oss an alternative to alsa? |
| 01:39.19 | Jotto_Pilz | arava: http://nopaste.php-q.net/184206 after plug off/plug in |
| 01:39.20 | SerajewelKS | Sunbug: alsa replaces oss |
| 01:39.33 | TraceGreen | SerajewelKS, i use kppp, but after i config, system told me kppp can't find /dev/modem. how can i know my modem is driven? |
| 01:39.39 | odla | Sunbug, yup |
| 01:39.46 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: phpMyAdmin is more user-friendly. CLI requires extensive knowledge of SQL. |
| 01:39.48 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > one sec |
| 01:39.57 | SerajewelKS | TraceGreen: is the modem internal or external |
| 01:40.09 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: and that stands a good chance of not working at all |
| 01:40.18 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, I could allways use phpMyAdmin from lynx or is it a bad idea? |
| 01:40.23 | TraceGreen | IBM thinkpad, i think it is internal. |
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| 01:40.40 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > worth trying tho I think ;) |
| 01:40.41 | TraceGreen | IBM thinkpad, i think it is internal. SerajewelKS |
| 01:40.47 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: wait |
| 01:40.54 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: add -- to the end of that |
| 01:40.58 | Tenkawa | is there any way to regenerate a corrupted files list file? |
| 01:41.02 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: ... close SLOG' -- |
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| 01:41.20 | SerajewelKS | TraceGreen: does lspci show it? |
| 01:41.24 | devicenull | is there a way to create a ssh tunnel that goes from the remote computer, to a server, then back to the internet? |
| 01:41.31 | TraceGreen | SerajewelKS, yeah. |
| 01:41.37 | Jotto_Pilz | arava: any idea? |
| 01:41.47 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > when doing /etc/init.d/courier-imap restart I now get: "/etc/courier/imapd: line 339: -e: command not found" |
| 01:41.47 | m1ke | devicenull: trying to hide your tracks? |
| 01:41.52 | SerajewelKS | TraceGreen: google the device ID (xxxx:xxxx), it might be a winmodem |
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| 01:42.06 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: O_o |
| 01:42.13 | TraceGreen | SerajewelKS, thanks. |
| 01:42.16 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > which is the -e behind the /usr/bin/perl part |
| 01:42.29 | arava | Dont get me wrong(Sometimes we are that bad) .. but did u power it on |
| 01:42.54 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: put this in /tmp/imaplog.pl: open(SLOG, ">>/tmp/imaplog"); print SLOG "[$_] " for @ARGV; print SLOG "\n"; close SLOG |
| 01:43.01 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: with the standard #!/usr/bin/perl at the top |
| 01:43.01 | Sunbug | Do i need a reboot after installing alsa? |
| 01:43.04 | arava | Jotto- No idea .. |
| 01:43.13 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: make it executable, then SENDMAIL=/tmp/imaplog.sh |
| 01:43.15 | Jotto_Pilz | yes it's powered on and plugged in, i jused it under suse and windows few minutes ago |
| 01:43.18 | gpm | can xterm do utf8? |
| 01:43.19 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: s/sh/pl/ |
| 01:43.26 | arava | Did it work on SUSE ? |
| 01:43.30 | Jotto_Pilz | yes |
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| 01:44.27 | arava | Thenmaybe plug it into the SUSE machine and run lsusb and "also" lsmod to see what driver is it running |
| 01:45.04 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > that works |
| 01:45.09 | arava | Jotto -- You might not thave the driver module up ... |
| 01:45.14 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > euh, wait |
| 01:45.59 | pawdro | is there any programme to draw fractals? |
| 01:46.03 | pawdro | from repos? |
| 01:46.46 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > done, restarted and all, and I just tried to send a mail as well, which doesn't print anything in /tmp/imaplog |
| 01:46.47 | dli_ | can I use wine to run windows program which does installation? |
| 01:46.48 | SerajewelKS | pawdro: gimp can\ |
| 01:47.02 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: =/ |
| 01:47.10 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: check mail.log? |
| 01:47.16 | blockd | dli_: I have |
| 01:47.22 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > nothing in /var/log/mail.log |
| 01:47.30 | dli_ | blockd: how to ? I got path not found |
| 01:47.34 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > besides the standard login/logout messages |
| 01:47.38 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: does imaplog even exist? |
| 01:47.49 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > yes |
| 01:47.55 | sifi-x | SerajewelKS, does mysql 4.1 and 5.0 generates the same structure on the databases and the querys? |
| 01:48.11 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: so it contains one newline? ls -l /tmp/imaplog, how big is it |
| 01:48.20 | SerajewelKS | sifi-x: what? |
| 01:48.33 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1 Jan 13 02:44 imaplog |
| 01:48.34 | blockd | dli_: dunno, I'm just saying it can be done. I've done it with some games to get the pk3 files to then run it on linux |
| 01:48.38 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: O_o |
| 01:48.47 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > hehe |
| 01:48.48 | arava | sifi-x : mysql 4.1 and 5 take different time stamps |
| 01:48.53 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: then it's not giving sendmail any arguments. i have no clue why it's failing. |
| 01:49.03 | Jotto_Pilz | arava: thanks, i'll check that on suse! |
| 01:49.09 | Jotto_Pilz | i'll be back. |
| 01:49.12 | arava | K |
| 01:49.13 | blockd | dli_: if it can't find some path then I wouldn't know why off-hand |
| 01:49.15 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > ok, thanks so far then, I think I'll deinstall and purge everything, and start anew |
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| 01:49.31 | SerajewelKS | ryushe: mkay, i have some stuff to purge too... brb |
| 01:50.15 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > good luck :) |
| 01:50.40 | bucky | !seen grumpydog |
| 01:50.41 | dpkg | grumpydog is currently on #debian (14h 28m 12s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2h 36m 18s |
| 01:50.54 | blockd | dli_: are you trying to install the program outside ~/.wine/drive_c or is it just a default install? |
| 01:51.12 | sifi-x | arava, If Im about to use databases from 4.1 to 5.0, do I have to convert them first? |
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| 01:52.44 | dli_ | blockd: wine now tells me I have to disable uninstall shield :( what to do |
| 01:53.05 | arava | not reqd .. though .. but be careful with the time stamps .. I mean that maybe check mysql timestamp compatibilities between 4.1 and 5.0 |
| 01:53.27 | arava | we had some probs with our scripts when we upgraded on timestamps |
| 01:53.34 | ryushe | sifi-x > not neccessarily, but be advised if you use the PASSWORD type on a field, that that password will no longer work on mysql5 |
| 01:53.53 | blockd | dli_: wine's telling you? Sorry, I'm not sure what's going on there... |
| 01:54.14 | sifi-x | ryushe, oh, no problem, I have never used it so = |
| 01:54.15 | sifi-x | =) |
| 01:54.25 | dli_ | blockd: the installation program tells me that |
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| 01:55.20 | sifi-x | ryushe, so its just to convert to 5.0 then? I will however upload them to a server later that is using 4.1, do you think that would be a problem |
| 01:55.53 | xchg | ryushe: password() is depricated on mysql5 ? |
| 01:55.55 | TraceGreen | SerajewelKS, it always told me the modem is busy |
| 01:56.02 | blockd | dli_: ok, but I've never seen anything tell me to disable uninstall shield even on Windows... can't really help you. But it ought to normally work... |
| 01:56.30 | newjunk | how do i install a recordwin.sh file? |
| 01:56.41 | ryushe | sifi-x > a database which works on mysql4.1 should work on mysql5 as well, provided you create the database and users anew on the mysql5 server. then it's simply a matter of importing the tables from the old database into the new one |
| 01:56.44 | sifi-x | ryushe, so I can use the same files from 5.0 to 4.1 in shortly |
| 01:56.44 | xchg | . |
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| 01:57.02 | grumpydog | bucky |
| 01:57.06 | grumpydog | heh |
| 01:57.12 | ryushe | xchg > no, but the PASSWORD command in mysql uses a different algorithm to encrypt the password |
| 01:57.16 | bucky | grumpydog: did you get my im? |
| 01:57.30 | sifi-x | ryushe, importing, is it not just to set the datadir and run? |
| 01:57.31 | grumpydog | not yet |
| 01:57.36 | ryushe | xchg > there is a field type called OLD_PASSWORD tho, which can still use old style pw's |
| 01:57.58 | sifi-x | ryushe, define importing |
| 01:58.01 | grumpydog | bucky your post shall be here in 7 days |
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| 01:58.19 | bucky | grumpydog: 7 days from monday |
| 01:58.21 | xchg | ryushe: what's a 'new style' ? earlier was md5 |
| 01:58.30 | SerajewelKS | TraceGreen: what told you that |
| 01:58.45 | grumpydog | bucky yes |
| 01:58.55 | SerajewelKS | xchg: new is SHA1 iirc |
| 01:59.18 | xchg | SerajewelKS: great |
| 01:59.25 | TraceGreen | SerajewelKS, kppp |
| 01:59.34 | ryushe | sifi-x > export structure + date ie. host# mysqldump -u <user> -p <database> > database.sql then on new database do host# mysql -u <user> -p <database> < database.sql |
| 01:59.43 | xchg | SerajewelKS: md5 compromised itself a years ago |
| 01:59.56 | SerajewelKS | xchg: how's that |
| 01:59.58 | ootput | proof of concept |
| 01:59.58 | ryushe | xchg > lemme look up the specific change regarding password encryption in mysql |
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| 02:00.14 | SerajewelKS | !md5 |
| 02:00.15 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 02:00.32 | ootput | this ain't genbot |
| 02:00.43 | sifi-x | ryushe, cool, but it will be mutch job if I |
| 02:00.51 | ootput | !smite SerajewelKS |
| 02:00.59 | sifi-x | ryushe, if I upload many times every week |
| 02:01.04 | SerajewelKS | !mhallsmite ootput |
| 02:01.09 | SerajewelKS | i win =P |
| 02:01.15 | ryushe | sifi-x > not really, simply recreate the database itself + a user for it, and import the structure + data into it, and presto |
| 02:01.25 | xchg | SerajewelKS: look at the slashdot archives if you're interested in concretum. in any other way it can be cracked in less than 2-3 days on PIV |
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| 02:01.46 | xchg | SerajewelKS: some math quirk i guess |
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| 02:02.16 | sifi-x | ryushe, hmm, recreate, with the method you mentioned with mysqldump? |
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| 02:02.29 | ryushe | sifi-x > creating database + user only has to be done once, when you want to automate export from mysql4 and import into mysql5 in a weekly basis it should not be a problem |
| 02:02.33 | ootput | 1 1/2 - 2 years ago, wasn't it? |
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| 02:03.33 | Jotto_Pilz | arava: i reloaded all the modules suse has loaded... nothing, check this: http://nopaste.php-q.net/184212 |
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| 02:04.52 | ryushe | anyways, I'm off again, the bottle 'o booze is dry and it's time to hit the sack |
| 02:05.05 | nicholas | Where do I file I a bug if I can't specify which packages is/are at fault? |
| 02:05.29 | ryushe | SerajewelKS > thanks again for the help and explanations, I'll see if I can fix stuff tomorrow |
| 02:05.44 | Miesco | What console program can I use to receive pop email |
| 02:06.11 | indole | I haven't had sound since I rebooted. Where should I start troubleshooting? |
| 02:06.12 | Jotto_Pilz | Miesco: fetchmail, mutt, pine, ... |
| 02:06.16 | Miesco | pine can? |
| 02:06.23 | arava | Jotto: IS it a LG DVD Drive ? |
| 02:06.29 | Jotto_Pilz | arava: yes it is |
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| 02:07.43 | seeeS | ok, how do i load extensions in firefox? their website keeps telling me i have an old version but i have 1.0.7 |
| 02:08.44 | Miesco | Pine can get pop mail? |
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| 02:09.14 | arava | Jotto: What is the product number ? Can I get the link to the product page |
| 02:09.16 | Jotto_Pilz | fetchmail does, pine and mutt for example read your mbox |
| 02:09.33 | Miesco | Okay |
| 02:09.42 | Jotto_Pilz | GSA 2164D |
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| 02:09.51 | wwallace | stew you here? |
| 02:10.51 | indole | Is there a good guide to getting sound going? |
| 02:10.57 | xchg | wwallace: probally he's sleeping right now |
| 02:11.05 | wwallace | oh ok |
| 02:11.17 | xchg | Boston time should be about 3AM |
| 02:11.24 | wwallace | i fix my x problem i wanted to tell him what the problem was |
| 02:11.31 | wwallace | boston? |
| 02:11.38 | wwallace | 911 pm |
| 02:11.46 | dvm1981 | xchg: Same time here in Belguim :-) |
| 02:11.55 | xchg | wwallace: yeah?? so early |
| 02:11.59 | xchg | damn |
| 02:12.13 | xchg | dvm1981: 3:11 in Hungary |
| 02:12.30 | xchg | anyway i can't call myself an hungarian, since russian :-) |
| 02:12.43 | wwallace | i like russian girs so hot |
| 02:12.58 | wwallace | here iin the states they come to dance in what we called go go bars |
| 02:13.01 | xchg | wwallace: i like hungarian girls |
| 02:13.15 | xchg | wwallace: XXL channel makes a tastle |
| 02:13.16 | Miesco | fetchmail, I guess I will have to use crom or something? |
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| 02:13.19 | arava | sorry Jotto: Iam not sure of what is hapening ... |
| 02:13.25 | dvm1981 | xchg: I do not if there are a difference in minutes buts its like that here im +3 minutes, or the power of AMD... ;-) |
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| 02:13.42 | JasonBox | Anyone know if you can share out your existing :0 with FreeNX yet? |
| 02:13.54 | xchg | dvm1981: yes, ever knew that's AMD overcoming it's time |
| 02:13.59 | xchg | AMIGA FOREVER :-))))) |
| 02:14.27 | Jotto_Pilz | hmm okay thanks |
| 02:15.10 | xchg | karsten: since 24h uptime afford it honestly |
| 02:15.13 | dvm1981 | xchg: When i do not forget it, i install an nntp sever. I'm not sure its the correct therm |
| 02:15.19 | xchg | karsten: Amigaman too ? |
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| 02:15.36 | dvm1981 | xchg: And configure all the clients to |
| 02:15.42 | xchg | dvm1981: do you need nntp at local ? |
| 02:16.02 | Jotto_Pilz | anywqays, thanks for your help so far, cya later! |
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| 02:16.20 | Miesco | fetchmail mugsy@globalfuture.net, fetches from shawn@mugsy@globalfuture.net |
| 02:16.39 | dvm1981 | xchg: I do not what i need. I must read some info to learn more about it, but i think it really not complicate. |
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| 02:17.18 | dvm1981 | xchg: To setup he |
| 02:17.20 | JasonBox | I wish someone knew if I could share out a running X session with FreeNX |
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| 02:17.29 | Miesco | Cool it works |
| 02:17.31 | xchg | dvm1981: free to ask. i'm not sure with policy either |
| 02:18.13 | ivanneto | How can I make modifications in /etc/environment visible to the hole system without rebooting? |
| 02:18.27 | karsten | ivanneto: You can't. |
| 02:18.36 | xchg | dvm1981: you ask => you're forced to read. you're read => you're forced to ask |
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| 02:18.47 | ivanneto | karsten: really? Do you know why? |
| 02:18.53 | karsten | ivanneto: Processes need to re-read the environment, most don't do that, they're configured to do it at boot. |
| 02:18.54 | xchg | dvm1981: so something is broken here i guess |
| 02:18.58 | dvm1981 | xchg: ;-) |
| 02:19.05 | karsten | ivanneto: children don't listen to their parents, basically. |
| 02:19.13 | morphology | is the xfree in the testing repository really xorg? |
| 02:19.23 | xchg | dvm1981: like a developer :-) |
| 02:19.27 | bcc | are there any tools that are faster than sort for sorting large files? |
| 02:19.30 | gravity | morphology: Yes |
| 02:19.45 | morphology | no wonder it looks different... I just upgraded for the first time in years |
| 02:19.47 | morphology | X that is |
| 02:19.52 | karsten | ivanneto: ... though technically you could run a shutdown / exit (hit runlevel 1 and restart). Technically you haven't rebooted, though you're restarting all processes. |
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| 02:20.16 | morphology | and now my mousey blinks when I run double buffered apps like torsmo.... |
| 02:20.20 | karsten | bcc: Likely. Depends on how big the data are. Hash methods come to mind. |
| 02:20.21 | ivanneto | karsten: thanks. I'll reboot so... |
| 02:20.22 | morphology | why is this so? |
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| 02:20.28 | xchg | dvm1981: so rather ask :-) |
| 02:20.37 | bcc | karsten: 500M to 1G |
| 02:20.47 | dvm1981 | xchg: No its not an nntp that i need |
| 02:20.55 | ivanneto | karsten: going to runlevel 1 is almost the same as rebooting. Thanks anyway. |
| 02:21.06 | karsten | bcc: What's your time constraint? What are you doing with the data? |
| 02:21.09 | dvm1981 | xchg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_News_Transfer_Protocol |
| 02:21.15 | karsten | ivanneto: Your uptime isn't lost ;-) |
| 02:21.36 | xchg | dvm1981: erm...are you really need to set up an NNTP feed ??? |
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| 02:21.48 | karsten | ivanneto: ... technically the kernel's never restarted, and you don't have to go through POST, BIOS startup, and bootloader. |
| 02:21.52 | bcc | karsten: it's not done in real time so there are no limits, but sort seems to be taking forever and i was looking for a faster way to do it |
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| 02:22.02 | xchg | dvm1981: in the most case installing something similar to knode would help |
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| 02:22.12 | dvm1981 | xchg: Yes, i had to better thing about it before saying that i not need an nntp, |
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| 02:22.42 | thering | !tell me about nntp |
| 02:22.47 | xchg | dvm1981: and your ISP is ready to give you full news feedback ? |
| 02:22.53 | karsten | bcc: 'sort' does pretty well under most circumstances. Full answer takes more time than I've got right now, but basically, you can throw hardware or brains at the problem, or do with less data. |
| 02:22.58 | xchg | (it's about 100mb per hour) |
| 02:23.11 | bcc | karsten: ok |
| 02:23.12 | xchg | (if we doesn't use alt.binaries.*) |
| 02:23.13 | ivanneto | karsten: you're right. But changing the runlevel still takes a considerable time. Rebooting seems to be the simplest way. |
| 02:23.27 | dvm1981 | xchg: Yes, i use Knode, Pan |
| 02:23.53 | dvm1981 | xchg: slrn, i forget the name constant |
| 02:23.56 | karsten | bcc: ... which means either subsetting out specific columns / fields within the data, or excluding observations / rows, or both. I've seen 10-100x speed improvements doing that. If you really don't need to order the data but just aggregate it, associative arrays are your friend. |
| 02:24.27 | dvm1981 | xchg: I have not been good understand you're previous msg |
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| 02:24.36 | karsten | ivanneto: Depends on what you've got running. Typically 10-20 seconds for an 'init 1' vs. a minute (or several depending on HW) for a full reboot. |
| 02:24.45 | xchg | dvm1981: cnews is the most simple nntp server |
| 02:24.52 | xchg | if you want it of course |
| 02:25.05 | xchg | i have full FidoNet feed here :-) |
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| 02:25.17 | karsten | bcc: What specifically are you doing? More I know about the problem space and results you're looking for, the better. |
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| 02:26.08 | dvm1981 | xchg: Its because at first the conversation i was going to talk about a system to sync the computers with a internet clock |
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| 02:26.54 | xchg | dvm1981: then it's about NTP |
| 02:26.57 | xchg | not NNTP |
| 02:26.59 | dvm1981 | xchg: I hope its dispo in Testing, just finish to install a new in a virtual pc |
| 02:27.19 | dvm1981 | xchg: ;-) NTP |
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| 02:27.41 | dvm1981 | xchg: OK these two are for the next to do thing ... :-) |
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| 02:28.15 | dvm1981 | xchg: Beginning in a virtual pc then apply it on my existing server, hhooowww i like that :-) |
| 02:28.26 | kbrooks | Uh, I want sdl-dev. i don't know what version i have of sdl |
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| 02:29.49 | kbrooks | Uh, I want sdl-dev. i don't know what version i have of sdl |
| 02:29.54 | kbrooks | what do i do? |
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| 02:31.20 | King_Brad | how do i copy a "directrory" full of files to another location? |
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| 02:32.50 | monteiro | King_Brad : cp -r directory destination |
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| 02:33.16 | King_Brad | so cp -r /home/dirtocopy /dest? |
| 02:33.31 | Alias_ | I've just swapped network cards in a box and the new eth0 isn't starting up, presumably because the hardware is different |
| 02:33.33 | King_Brad | sweet |
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| 02:33.34 | King_Brad | thx man |
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| 02:33.40 | monteiro | :) |
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| 02:33.44 | Alias_ | Is there a standard network scan command to set it up again? |
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| 02:33.55 | dvm1981 | xchg: I use 'Knotes' to writes some notes, someone suggestion. Is there somethings similar that in not know? |
| 02:33.55 | sepht | can anyone answer an apt question? |
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| 02:34.53 | sepht | I would like to reinstall apache2 and php4, but I want apt to recreate it's little config files because now when I reinstall them they don't show up :-( |
| 02:35.20 | useruser | in sid, is there a way to just upgrade packages with changes marked as urgent? |
| 02:35.21 | wwallace | how do i make my mouse wheel work in xorg? |
| 02:35.24 | kbrooks | Uh, I want sdl-dev. i don't know what version i have of sdl |
| 02:35.25 | kbrooks | what do i do? |
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| 02:36.02 | dvm1981 | sepht: purge ? |
| 02:37.17 | sepht | dvm1981: didn't do it... |
| 02:39.24 | dvm1981 | sepht: When you remove a package you can force to remove all the config files that are made, backup the needed things and force to remove all files about the package and reinstall |
| 02:40.53 | karsten | Alias_: Do you have the right driver(s) loaded? 'lspci' and 'dmidecode' should provide information on the card. |
| 02:41.05 | Alias_ | ok |
| 02:41.15 | Alias_ | I'm presuming lack of drivers is part of the problem |
| 02:41.44 | karsten | Alias_: It would go a long way toward explainign things ;-) |
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| 02:43.27 | dvm1981 | sepht: Help that ? |
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| 02:43.43 | dondelelcaro | !tell sepht -about confmiss |
| 02:43.56 | dondelelcaro | sepht: use that option when you attempt your reinstall. |
| 02:44.20 | karsten | !tell Alias_ about paster |
| 02:44.22 | Alias_ | karsten: right :) dmidecode not available though |
| 02:44.30 | karsten | Alias_: run 'lspci' and post output. |
| 02:44.36 | karsten | Alias_: Install it, it's useful. |
| 02:44.44 | Alias_ | Intel... unknown device |
| 02:44.54 | karsten | Alias_: Full line. |
| 02:44.55 | Alias_ | karsten: hmm... installing it could be a problem :) |
| 02:45.02 | dvm1981 | suppossing that sepht are on the right way |
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| 02:45.19 | karsten | Alias_: Details, details... |
| 02:45.34 | dvm1981 | dondelelcaro: ;-) |
| 02:45.35 | TEST56 | Hello, I have a problem with the server x installation |
| 02:46.03 | karsten | Alias_: ... if you can floppy (or pen-drive) the .deb, it's got no dependencies other than libc6, which you've likely got installed. |
| 02:46.05 | dvm1981 | TEST56: i listen, see if i can help ... |
| 02:46.10 | karsten | !tell TEST56 about ask |
| 02:46.51 | TEST56 | Thanks. I just installed Debian 3.1. The installation was ok, but during the first login, the system told me it could not start the server x |
| 02:47.18 | dvm1981 | TEST56: A bad choose of video card driver |
| 02:47.23 | seeds | i think u have download it |
| 02:47.46 | seeds | using apt i think |
| 02:47.50 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Whish model ? |
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| 02:48.02 | TEST56 | Maybe: in the log I also saw that there was no mouse pointer |
| 02:48.52 | TEST56 | I am running a 3dfx voodoo 2 I believe |
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| 02:49.36 | verxion | hey everyone |
| 02:49.36 | dvm1981 | TEST56: yes i know the problem i look for the good command |
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| 02:49.42 | gravity | TEST56: Could you put your /var/log/XFree.0.log in a paster? |
| 02:49.48 | sepht | gravity: no |
| 02:50.02 | gravity | sepht: er... |
| 02:50.19 | TEST56 | Thanks |
| 02:50.33 | verxion | I am having some trouble with samba that seems to be unique to win2k3 trying to access it. I am running debian sarge - anyone know if this is a known issue? |
| 02:51.03 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Read the file '/etc/X11/XF86Config' and run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 02:51.10 | Alias_ | karsten: btw, "Unknown Intel Device 107c (rev 5) |
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| 02:51.36 | dvm1981 | !tell TEST56 -about pastebin |
| 02:51.37 | TEST56 | <dvm1981> thanks |
| 02:51.47 | karsten | Alias_: That's everything/ |
| 02:51.51 | TEST56 | -about pastebin? |
| 02:51.55 | karsten | Alias_: s,/,?, |
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| 02:52.25 | dvm1981 | TEST56: I not not how far youre experiece but read the info give by dpkg |
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| 02:52.47 | karsten | Alias_: Anything you can do to shuttle data is going to help you massively. |
| 02:52.53 | Alias_ | yeah |
| 02:53.05 | dvm1981 | TEST56: BTW i use nickname autocompletation ... |
| 02:53.07 | karsten | gravity: merry christmas, BTW ;-) |
| 02:53.14 | dvm1981 | TEST56: <> |
| 02:53.14 | gravity | karsten: Thanks :-) |
| 02:53.25 | Alias_ | we get a few minutes on the old NIC before it dies, so we're going to try and just swap the old nic back in and install as much as possible before it dies |
| 02:53.28 | karsten | gravity: That's for standing us up ;-) |
| 02:53.43 | gravity | karsten: Sorry. I was kinda immobile in Napa |
| 02:53.45 | karsten | Alias_: Pull the new nic and google its markings then. You need to know what it is. |
| 02:53.49 | gravity | And busy the whole time with festivities |
| 02:53.50 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Use the 'Tab' like in the shell, but see of option are activated in prefs. |
| 02:53.51 | karsten | gravity: I know teh feeling. |
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| 02:54.05 | TEST56 | i only have XF86Config-4 is this ok? |
| 02:54.05 | odla | gravity: do you know why when i upgrade to etch...X won't start and if i do get it to start it's the wrong resolution but it works fine in sarge (using xorg with a bpo package) |
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| 02:54.11 | sepht | dondelelcaro: thank you :-D any idea how to get a default apache2 config file? |
| 02:54.15 | Alias_ | yeah. Although it _supposed_ to be a normal eepro |
| 02:54.33 | gravity | odla: It starts sometimes and other times it doesn't? |
| 02:54.43 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Patebin let you paste some date, if you paste more than 3 lines or so here you are kicked out |
| 02:54.44 | Alias_ | install all of the most common drivers so that they are available if needed |
| 02:54.51 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Patebin let you paste some date, if you paste more than 3 lines or so here you are kicked ou |
| 02:54.55 | odla | gravity: so when i immediately upgrade to etch....i can restart X and it starts up in 640 x 480 |
| 02:55.01 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Yes, thats good |
| 02:55.12 | gravity | odla: Could you put your log up in a paster so I could look at it? |
| 02:55.16 | odla | gravity: then i reboot and i can't log into X |
| 02:55.18 | Alias_ | or these days, hell install CD1 as an image as standard |
| 02:55.21 | gravity | Hrm |
| 02:55.34 | odla | gravity: i'm upgrading to X now and I'll paste if i get the same problem again |
| 02:55.40 | gravity | odla: Yeah, could you put the logfile up for the one where you can't log in at all? Lt's tackle that first. |
| 02:55.41 | odla | oops etch not X ;) |
| 02:55.46 | gravity | heh |
| 02:55.59 | odla | gravity: i'll try...provide i get that same problem again |
| 02:56.13 | odla | gravity: i won't know again though for another 45 minutes or so though |
| 02:56.20 | dvm1981 | TEST56: say somethings more about ... |
| 02:56.29 | gravity | odla: Are you using the proprietary drivers from nvidia or ati? |
| 02:56.35 | odla | gravity: where is my logfile for X |
| 02:56.41 | gravity | odla: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:56.43 | odla | gravity: i'm using an intel 845 chipset |
| 02:56.45 | gravity | Ok |
| 02:56.45 | odla | ok |
| 02:56.46 | gravity | hrm |
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| 02:56.56 | odla | i use the i810 driver in sarge and it works |
| 02:56.57 | ne0futur | hi all I have something i consider near to be a security problem |
| 02:57.03 | odla | though it wants me to use the vesa chipset by default |
| 02:57.17 | ne0futur | oups sorry vad chan |
| 02:57.21 | TEST56 | dvm1981 I do not understand the command |
| 02:57.22 | ne0futur | bad |
| 02:58.23 | odla | ah don't i use /connect irc.server.net to connect to another server with irssi and not get disconnected from this server? cause it's telling me command unknown |
| 02:58.24 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Have you paste the content of the file XF86Config in http://pastebin.com/ After sending, post here the url of the post ... |
| 02:58.37 | odla | nevermind about /connect ? |
| 02:58.58 | TEST56 | ThDebian is on another computer not connected to the internet |
| 02:59.04 | dvm1981 | TEST56: I have give a commant on a robot to give you more information about pastebin |
| 02:59.09 | dvm1981 | ddd |
| 02:59.48 | dvm1981 | there are some glitchs some time here, its a new keyboard :-) |
| 03:00.18 | TEST56 | I read the file |
| 03:00.26 | dvm1981 | Are there some users of the 'HHKB' keyboar ? |
| 03:00.29 | dvm1981 | d |
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| 03:00.33 | dvm1981 | again |
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| 03:01.07 | TEST56 | dvm1081: I executed the command you sent me but it does not work |
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| 03:01.36 | dvm1981 | TEST56: In the 'XF86Config' are stored the config of the video card ... |
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| 03:01.51 | TEST56 | Yes. How do I edit this file? |
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| 03:02.02 | dvm1981 | TEST56: NO EDIT IT |
| 03:02.22 | dvm1981 | TEST56: First of all, take a backup of it |
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| 03:02.43 | dvm1981 | cp XF86Config-4 XF86Config-4.not_working |
| 03:02.54 | dvm1981 | in a console ... |
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| 03:03.02 | dvm1981 | with root privileges |
| 03:03.22 | TEST56 | I'm rebooting... I messed up my console |
| 03:03.27 | TEST56 | see you in 2minutes |
| 03:03.35 | m1ke | wait |
| 03:03.39 | m1ke | reboot to fix a consoel? |
| 03:03.46 | dvm1981 | TEST56: no needs to reeboots ... |
| 03:03.56 | gravity | TEST56: Type "reset" and hit enter |
| 03:04.02 | TEST56 | ... too late. Whats the trick? |
| 03:04.08 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Mess up what you will, be learned of it ... |
| 03:04.24 | tictac | shutdown -a |
| 03:04.27 | TEST56 | What is this supposed to do? |
| 03:04.30 | tictac | used to abort. |
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| 03:04.37 | gravity | TEST56: resets the console |
| 03:04.40 | dvm1981 | TEST56: 'reboot' |
| 03:04.42 | gravity | Without restarting the whole system |
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| 03:05.09 | TEST56 | here I am : login prompt: the screen is all pink apparently the resolution is bad |
| 03:05.13 | gravity | Alternately, logging out and logging in again will often fix things |
| 03:05.16 | dvm1981 | TEST56: if you not would like and quickly sort out of the mess |
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| 03:05.42 | TEST56 | I am asked if I want to see the xserver output. Would this help? |
| 03:05.49 | dvm1981 | TEST56: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:05.54 | gravity | TEST56: Yes |
| 03:06.01 | gravity | If you want to tell us what it is or put it in a paster |
| 03:06.42 | TEST56 | cannot open device dev/input/mice |
| 03:06.45 | dvm1981 | TEST56: if you would like a ask the bot for paster ;-) |
| 03:07.09 | TEST56 | my computer is not connnected to the internet. How do I do this? |
| 03:07.29 | dvm1981 | TEST56: So when you have see these error on sceen after that you comme on the console. Right ? |
| 03:07.33 | dvs | TEST56: laptop? |
| 03:07.53 | gravity | TEST56: Ok, that's a good sign. Open up /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and just figure out what Device your mouse is configured to read. It should be something like /dev/input/mouse or /dev/psaux |
| 03:08.00 | dvm1981 | !tell TEST56 -about paster |
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| 03:08.29 | TEST56 | also something abou dri not supported in 32 bpp mode |
| 03:08.34 | TEST56 | lets start with the mouse |
| 03:08.37 | gravity | TEST56: It should be in one of the InputDevice sections |
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| 03:09.08 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Take the time to find a method to poste the content of a (config)file to here --> paster or pastebin |
| 03:09.36 | gravity | Or... just freaking read the really easy to understand config file and learn what the problem is |
| 03:09.41 | TEST56 | I cannot burn any cd on my computer |
| 03:09.52 | gravity | TEST56: Just do what I said. Figure out what device your mouse is pointed at. |
| 03:10.00 | gravity | We can find out then why X can't read from it |
| 03:10.09 | TEST56 | i only have a floppy disk. I am using a laptop to talk on this chat which does not have a floppy disk |
| 03:10.31 | dvm1981 | gravity: I really needs a cup hot coffe ;-) |
| 03:10.34 | TEST56 | TEST56: Just do what I said. Figure out what device your mouse is pointed at. How do I know this? |
| 03:10.54 | nprice | kde 3.5 is in unstable woot |
| 03:11.09 | gravity | TEST56: Ok... run the command "grep Device /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | grep dev" |
| 03:11.14 | gravity | TEST56: Tell us what it says |
| 03:11.45 | odla | icewm-1.23-2 is in unstable woot ;) |
| 03:12.02 | odla | i lied....icewm-1.2.23-2 :) |
| 03:12.09 | TEST56 | ok: /dev/input/mice |
| 03:12.23 | odla | nprice: are you a kde fan? |
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| 03:12.35 | deadcat | odla: wahts new in it? |
| 03:12.37 | gravity | TEST56: Ok, now do "ls /dev/input/mice" |
| 03:13.02 | odla | deadcat: icewm? probably bug fixes :) i can't imagine anything is really *new* with it |
| 03:13.21 | deadcat | odla: bah. then thats nothing new (= |
| 03:13.28 | TEST56 | /dev/input/mice is empty |
| 03:13.34 | odla | deadcat: what can be improved with the best wm already? |
| 03:13.38 | gravity | TEST56: Awesome. There we go. Now do 'ls /dev/psaux" |
| 03:13.43 | gravity | With proper quoting |
| 03:13.48 | SerajewelKS | wtf is this doing in / drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2006-01-12 01:49 J??C |
| 03:13.49 | odla | hard to improve when you're at the top |
| 03:13.49 | deadcat | odla: the ugly ass themes maybe (= |
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| 03:14.14 | deadcat | odla: screenshot me |
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| 03:14.36 | odla | deadcat: you don't want a screenshot right now...i just a new install so i'm bare bones...maybe later tonight |
| 03:14.46 | TEST56 | empty too |
| 03:14.50 | deadcat | odla: common |
| 03:14.51 | Fujoor | hey people, where can i find debian unstable, i keep looking at debian.org but i just cant find it, all the pages refer me to the stable (sarge) version |
| 03:15.01 | gravity | TEST56: As root, run 'modprobe psmouse' |
| 03:15.14 | odla | deadcat: you want a screenshot of the default settings? |
| 03:15.18 | odla | i can do it |
| 03:15.24 | deadcat | odla: no. thats ugly. |
| 03:15.26 | gravity | Fujoor: There's no CD's for unstable |
| 03:15.31 | TEST56 | cant locate this module |
| 03:15.33 | odla | deadcat: ha ha ha |
| 03:15.34 | SerajewelKS | /J??C/dmctl /J??C/xdmctl |
| 03:15.36 | gravity | hrm |
| 03:15.40 | SerajewelKS | what the hell made those files |
| 03:15.42 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Try to run the command 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' to reconfigure the xfree86 and use the default VGA card drivers |
| 03:15.48 | odla | deadcat: what do you use? |
| 03:15.52 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: corrupted fs? |
| 03:15.55 | deadcat | odla: openbox |
| 03:16.03 | Fujoor | gravity: oh, no isos? how do one install it then? |
| 03:16.06 | TEST56 | dvm1981: I already tried this command and it does not work |
| 03:16.07 | odla | deadcat: similar to fluxbox ?!? |
| 03:16.12 | deadcat | odla: nope |
| 03:16.17 | odla | :( |
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| 03:16.23 | deadcat | odla: ob3 is complete rewrite. |
| 03:16.25 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: 'fsck -n' is safe on a mounted ext3? |
| 03:16.30 | dvm1981 | TEST56: You must be are root user. know about it ? |
| 03:16.30 | gravity | Fujoor: You install stable and then switch it to unstable. If you have to ask that you may want to reconsider running it in the first place. |
| 03:16.31 | odla | hrm... |
| 03:16.42 | odla | deadcat: i stll love icewm |
| 03:16.47 | gravity | dvm1981: His problem isn't the video driver. It's the mouse. |
| 03:16.54 | gravity | Hence the reason for asking for the error log |
| 03:17.01 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: i had problem like that. i just have to reinstall the system. logrotate emails me "what the hell is that type of file?" |
| 03:17.03 | Fujoor | gravity: ah, so its that complicated, ill look into it, thanks gravity |
| 03:17.20 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: "reinstall the system?" |
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| 03:18.12 | dvm1981 | gravity: sorry i had understand that he has troubles with his video, but with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 he also can reconfig his mouse configuration. |
| 03:18.13 | gravity | Fujoor: Beware that unstable does break. If you want to learn from it, that's great, but be aware that you're largely on your own and need to learn how to do basic research for questions like that |
| 03:18.13 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: my box was totally fucked. i cant remove some files and it prevented me from upgrading packages |
| 03:18.34 | gravity | dvm1981: Sure, but he still has no idea what device his mouse is connected to. For that matter, neither do I. |
| 03:18.52 | Fujoor | gravity: just for testing purposes |
| 03:19.27 | gravity | TEST56: Switch in to /dev/input and do an ls and tell us what you find there |
| 03:19.29 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: well i was able to rm it... they were sockets and FIFOs so i guess if something stops working a reboot/init should solve it |
| 03:19.39 | deadcat | odla: you must not like these new themes eh? the one thats more eye-candy than warp4. because it looks ugly to me (= |
| 03:20.02 | Fujoor | gravity: while im at it,ive found some nice ascii art id like to include before the login prompt, what file to i have to edit? |
| 03:20.11 | gravity | Fujoor: No idea |
| 03:20.16 | odla | deadcat: well i change the stuff a tad bit...but i like the theme...eye candy is nice but sometimes distracting |
| 03:20.16 | gravity | /etc/motd maybe |
| 03:20.37 | Fujoor | thanks |
| 03:20.37 | TEST56 | event0..3 js0..3 mice mouse 0...3 |
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| 03:21.18 | deadcat | odla: warp4 just looks so 80s |
| 03:21.18 | dvs | mice is there |
| 03:21.49 | odla | deadcat: agreed |
| 03:21.52 | gravity | wtf |
| 03:22.01 | dvs | deadcat: Hey! But it worked well! |
| 03:22.08 | deadcat | odla: let me show you some sss |
| 03:22.18 | odla | dvs: the 80's or warp4? |
| 03:22.23 | dvs | ahahaah |
| 03:22.26 | deadcat | dvs: ya. so does no theme or default theme |
| 03:22.26 | dvs | Warp 4 |
| 03:22.31 | SerajewelKS | what does the samba error NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME mean |
| 03:22.55 | odla | warp 4 is still around |
| 03:23.06 | gravity | TEST56: When you said /dev/input/mice was empty, what did you mean? |
| 03:23.17 | deadcat | odla: been using this theme(mostly the borders only) since i changed from the default (thebear) http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20051010_20156.png |
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| 03:23.33 | TEST56 | ls on this directory did not show any file... Is mice considered as a file? |
| 03:23.42 | gravity | Yes |
| 03:23.47 | TEST56 | sorry then |
| 03:24.01 | odla | deadcat: damn thing won't let me zoom in |
| 03:24.02 | gravity | Hrm... ok, so you've got the device right but X isn't opening it. |
| 03:24.14 | TEST56 | I have a wrireless mouse. its a logitech |
| 03:24.22 | odla | that's openbox? |
| 03:24.27 | gravity | TEST56: Could you read your /var/log/XFree.0.log using less? Look for lines that start with (EE) |
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| 03:24.31 | deadcat | odla: its a thumb. click on the size at the bottom |
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| 03:24.35 | Hamled|Erp| | everything in /etc/skel will be chown'd to username:username when you do adduser, right? |
| 03:24.52 | gravity | TEST56: Or just "grep '(EE)' /var/log/XFree.0.log" |
| 03:24.53 | myren | anyone familair with dia? Why are there two different gridlines? There's the actual gridlines, and these frakking annoying blue lines everywhere? |
| 03:24.56 | myren | Oh those are probably pages |
| 03:24.59 | Alias_ | OK, I have a card in for which the kernel sources exist, but the module isn't compiled |
| 03:25.03 | deadcat | odla: ya. well. just the window borders is openbox. since theres nothing much to see. |
| 03:25.09 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Try first with basic simple things^ |
| 03:25.13 | Alias_ | It there a DWIM way to compile a single module after the kernel is already built? |
| 03:26.00 | dli_ | Alias_: if nothing has changed (the same gcc libraries), just make menuconfig, make-kpkg, dpkg -i, and modprobe |
| 03:26.19 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Try first with basic simple things^ |
| 03:26.21 | Alias_ | Nothing should have changed... |
| 03:26.24 | dli_ | Alias_: otherwise, you have to reboot before modprobe |
| 03:26.32 | Alias_ | Well... O |
| 03:26.41 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Have you not a ps/2 mouse ? |
| 03:26.48 | Alias_ | Well... I'm not sure the kernel itself was actually compiled... it may have been installed as a binary |
| 03:27.07 | Alias_ | It looks like the debian box went through a distupgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 at some point |
| 03:27.08 | TEST56 | yes it is ps2 but there is a transmitter. its cordless |
| 03:27.10 | dli_ | Alias_: then, you simply modprobe |
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| 03:27.25 | Alias_ | The module for the hardware was never compiled |
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| 03:27.36 | dli_ | Alias_: how do you know? |
| 03:27.38 | Alias_ | It exists as a .c in the sources, but it's never been compiled into an .o |
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| 03:27.49 | TEST56 | (EE): TDFX(0): [dri] tdfx DRI not supported in 32 bpp mode, disabling dri |
| 03:27.56 | gravity | That's fine |
| 03:28.01 | dvm1981 | TEST56: I'm not sure, if someone here, but try with a basic first if you have less experience |
| 03:28.04 | gravity | You don't need to worry about dri yet |
| 03:28.10 | Alias_ | Because it's not in drivers/net/etc |
| 03:28.13 | gravity | And if you really want it you can reconfigure for a lower bpp |
| 03:28.19 | klync | hey all... i created a custom kernel.deb using make-kpkg, but when i went to install it, the post-install script said "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /lib/modules/2.6.15: Not a directory" |
| 03:28.23 | Alias_ | hmm |
| 03:28.29 | Alias_ | That gives me a though |
| 03:28.29 | Alias_ | brb |
| 03:28.30 | TEST56 | xf86open serial: cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 03:28.36 | gravity | Ah... |
| 03:28.39 | gravity | That's why |
| 03:28.44 | tim__ | which has greater functionality? libflash-mozplugin or flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 03:29.00 | klync | ok, nm... |
| 03:29.02 | deadcat | gravity: 900fps from 600fps since upgraded to 6.9, is that some changes? |
| 03:29.08 | gravity | TEST56: Ok, as root do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Select "IMPS2" as your protocol instead of serial |
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| 03:29.16 | gravity | tim__: The latter by far, sadly |
| 03:29.23 | TEST56 | when I run this command |
| 03:29.24 | gravity | deadcat: Sure |
| 03:29.30 | tim__ | gravity, thanks |
| 03:29.34 | TEST56 | it just does not recognize the sintax |
| 03:29.42 | gravity | TEST56: As root? |
| 03:30.00 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Do it as 'root' user |
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| 03:30.09 | TEST56 | i am |
| 03:30.14 | dvm1981 | TEST56: And let it know if you understand it not good ... |
| 03:30.20 | gravity | TEST56: Run "which dpkg-reconfigure" as root |
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| 03:30.34 | zinx | uhm |
| 03:31.20 | TEST56 | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:31.24 | LillDude_10 | liable |
| 03:31.31 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Running Debian Sarge GNU/Linux (Stabe)? |
| 03:31.37 | gravity | TEST56: Ok, what's the *exact* error when you run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"? |
| 03:31.38 | TEST56 | I think it is the xserver-xfree86 it does not recognize |
| 03:31.55 | dvm1981 | TEST56: sorry (Stable) |
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| 03:32.13 | TEST56 | dpkg: comflicting actions --control and --remove |
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| 03:32.24 | gravity | Ok... that's a completely different error than what you just said |
| 03:32.30 | TEST56 | I am running r3.1 |
| 03:32.35 | gravity | And I have no idea what it means... |
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| 03:32.50 | quittt | new amsn is great |
| 03:32.52 | quittt | really great |
| 03:32.54 | gravity | Ohhhhh |
| 03:33.00 | dvs | !lart quittt |
| 03:33.09 | gravity | TEST56: Are you putting a space between dpkg and -reconfigure? There's no space, it's one word |
| 03:33.10 | newbie2debian | can someone tell me how to get rid of this kweatherservice in my system tray please? |
| 03:33.18 | klync | is there a separate bugs db for unmaintained packages? i'd like to report a bug in make-kpkg |
| 03:33.24 | dvm1981 | gravity: also the same case here, i do not |
| 03:33.34 | TEST56 | hum |
| 03:33.35 | gravity | wtf |
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| 03:33.42 | TEST56 | ok blue screen |
| 03:33.45 | quittt | dvs, what? |
| 03:33.47 | gravity | Ahhh... ok |
| 03:33.48 | gravity | Great |
| 03:33.55 | newbie2debian | or how do i get rid of start up items |
| 03:34.24 | TEST56 | so 3dfx voodoo2 that would be... |
| 03:34.26 | klync | newbie2debian: it's a kde question, so you'll have to find someone who knows that desktop environment... not me :/ ... maybe #kde? |
| 03:34.27 | gravity | TEST56: Just go through it and when you get to the part about choosing the mouse protocol choose "ImPS/2" instead of serial |
| 03:34.36 | dli_ | newbie2debian: update-rc.d -f foo remove |
| 03:34.40 | gravity | TEST56: You can just hit enter for all of them except for the mouse part |
| 03:34.40 | newbie2debian | ok thanks |
| 03:34.45 | TEST56 | tdfx? |
| 03:34.48 | gravity | TEST56: Your config is probably good except for that |
| 03:34.53 | deadcat | sounds like somebody is having a case of the kde |
| 03:34.55 | newbie2debian | ok i'll try that |
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| 03:34.56 | gravity | TEST56: Yeah, tdfx, which should be selected... |
| 03:34.58 | klync | newbie2debian: if you change your nick you can ask in #gentoo ;) |
| 03:35.16 | deadcat | (= |
| 03:35.18 | odla | klync: do gentoo folks use kde? |
| 03:35.19 | dli_ | klync: it's different in gentoo |
| 03:35.44 | klync | dli_: you think? it sounds like some kde applet, not an rc script |
| 03:36.05 | TEST56 | please choose your mouse port |
| 03:36.09 | newbie2debian | brb |
| 03:36.11 | klync | odla: not more so than anywhere else, but it's way higher % desktop than here, and there are often 800+ users in there |
| 03:36.12 | deadcat | newbie2debian: just klick around kde |
| 03:36.13 | gravity | TEST56: /dev/input/mice |
| 03:36.32 | gravity | It's the protocol you care about... like I said three times now |
| 03:36.58 | dvm1981 | TEST56: for your video you can use the default VGA that work with all card without 3D that's help the time of setting things up. |
| 03:37.14 | dvm1981 | TEST56: In case of ... |
| 03:37.14 | gravity | dvm1981: His video setting is fine. If he wants DRI he can set his bpp down to 24. |
| 03:37.19 | tim__ | does debian stable have firefox 1.5? |
| 03:37.22 | gravity | TEST56: No |
| 03:37.25 | gravity | tim__: ^ |
| 03:37.27 | tim__ | err debian unstable |
| 03:37.27 | odla | i hate udev |
| 03:37.30 | gravity | TEST56: Sorry, that no wasn't for you |
| 03:37.31 | deadcat | tim__: yes |
| 03:37.35 | gravity | tim__: Yeah, it does |
| 03:37.37 | dvm1981 | gravity: Ok |
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| 03:38.01 | TEST56 | ok I'm done |
| 03:38.01 | tim__ | is the unstable branch very unstable? |
| 03:38.05 | deadcat | tim__: check distrowatch.com, it has a listing of the top software for each distro. and branches |
| 03:38.06 | gravity | tim__: Sometimes |
| 03:38.06 | odla | do i need udev? |
| 03:38.12 | gravity | odla: No |
| 03:38.14 | dvm1981 | odla: Troubles with testing or so ? |
| 03:38.27 | odla | yes testing |
| 03:38.31 | tim__ | gravity, does it occasionally break your system so bad you cant boot? |
| 03:38.35 | odla | gravity: can i use usb without udev? |
| 03:38.36 | tim__ | ie gentoo style |
| 03:38.37 | dvm1981 | odla: Or what problem concern it ? |
| 03:38.38 | deadcat | lot of pkgs requires udev seems |
| 03:38.39 | gravity | tim__: It can if you're not careful |
| 03:38.42 | TEST56 | How do I switch to the desktop? |
| 03:38.49 | gravity | odla: Yes, but it can be a pain |
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| 03:38.52 | gravity | TEST56: startx |
| 03:38.56 | odla | dvm1981: apt-get dist-upgrade...fails cause of udev |
| 03:39.01 | TEST56 | thanks |
| 03:39.03 | odla | dvm1981: so i need to run aptitude purge udev |
| 03:39.20 | odla | dvm1981: then install a kernel >= 2.6.12 then...blah blah blah |
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| 03:39.26 | odla | dvm1981: then reinstall udev |
| 03:39.32 | tim__ | gravity, what does "careful" mean? |
| 03:39.37 | TEST56 | same thing. I saw a pingun this time |
| 03:39.46 | gravity | tim__: Being aware of what's going on. If the kernel package fails to install properly, etc |
| 03:39.50 | deadcat | !dict careful |
| 03:39.54 | dpkg | Dictionary 'careful' (5 of 14): What could a careful father more have done? --Dryden. ;; full of cares or anxiety; "Thou art careful and troubled about many things"-Luke 10.41 ;; The careful plowman doubting stands. --Milton. ;; with care and dignity; "walking at the same measured pace"; "with all deliberate speed" ;; Thou hast been careful for us with all this care. --2. Kings iv, 13.. |
| 03:40.06 | dvm1981 | odla: How you are comme to this problem ? You remember ? Because i also have see this problem |
| 03:40.07 | odla | why doesn't a dist-upgrade require you to get a kernel of 2.6.12 or grader if udev requires it? |
| 03:40.11 | gravity | TEST56: Look for errors in your X log again |
| 03:40.13 | tim__ | gravity, alright i think ill try it |
| 03:40.22 | odla | dvm1981: i run apt-get dist-upgrade from testing |
| 03:40.27 | odla | oops from sarge to testing |
| 03:40.29 | TEST56 | cannot open mouse. The displayed was tiles as when you chose a bad resolution |
| 03:40.46 | gravity | tim__: Ok, just be aware that you're on your own. You need apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges too. |
| 03:40.55 | klync | wow, i didn't knwo dpkg was religious |
| 03:40.56 | gravity | hrm... why can't it open the mouse... |
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| 03:41.09 | gravity | TEST56: What's the exact error about the mouse? |
| 03:41.40 | dvm1981 | odla: Have you migrate from Stable to Testing without ending GDM and have do the migration without desktop environment ? |
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| 03:42.03 | odla | dvm1981: yeah i have before |
| 03:42.30 | odla | it's udev that's screwing stuff up |
| 03:42.45 | tim__ | gravity, hey thats cool didnt even know of those packages |
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| 03:42.49 | odla | i've never had to enter a different run level before when running apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:42.50 | TEST56 | xf86OpenSerial: cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 03:43.05 | TEST56 | I never found IMPS2 in the configure screen |
| 03:43.10 | gravity | wtf |
| 03:43.17 | gravity | Why didn't you tell me that when you had the problem? |
| 03:43.23 | gravity | Ok... |
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| 03:43.40 | Phated | Heh. |
| 03:43.50 | gravity | TEST56: Run the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 command again. This time when you get the protocol question tell me what your options are |
| 03:43.53 | deadcat | gravity: maybe hes yanking you |
| 03:43.55 | dvm1981 | odla: So you know how to resolv it ? Like you have say before . |
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| 03:44.06 | odla | dvm1981: yeah...until i reboot...but i'll be back |
| 03:44.16 | deadcat | odla: hes under loads of stress lately |
| 03:44.27 | gravity | Now I remember how hard it is to debug via irc |
| 03:44.30 | odla | how do i purge the hotplug package? |
| 03:44.36 | odla | apt-get remove --purge hotplug? |
| 03:44.39 | deadcat | ys |
| 03:44.43 | odla | is that necessary for udev? |
| 03:44.47 | odla | it tells me to |
| 03:44.48 | odla | o |
| 03:45.08 | deadcat | gravity: especially when the person you helping is not telling you the truth |
| 03:45.19 | gravity | deadcat: He's not lying, he's just not giving the real error messages |
| 03:45.21 | gravity | Which is hard |
| 03:45.25 | dvm1981 | odla: But thankx for the information, i have just reinstalled a test pc in a virtual pc for the same problem. So for the next case ... |
| 03:45.26 | deadcat | o |
| 03:45.36 | odla | dvm1981: np |
| 03:46.03 | TEST56 | I have the list for mices: I select /dev/input/mice |
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| 03:46.14 | gravity | TEST56: There should be an additional question about the mouse |
| 03:46.26 | gravity | If it's not there, we'll just edit the file by hand |
| 03:46.35 | TEST56 | emulate 3 button mouse? |
| 03:46.38 | gravity | Because honestly, at this point, it's a lot easier |
| 03:46.40 | gravity | No |
| 03:46.43 | gravity | Another one :-) |
| 03:46.56 | TEST56 | I have no other question |
| 03:47.00 | TEST56 | now its monitor questions |
| 03:47.05 | dvm1981 | odla: Or this weekend, i hope not forget it, i will retest the same situation i a virtual pc |
| 03:47.06 | gravity | hrm |
| 03:47.17 | gravity | TEST56: Ok, get through it and then we're going to edit your config file by hand |
| 03:47.22 | deadcat | gravity: maybe the md5 dont match. so whatever he dpkg-reconfigure it aint changing |
| 03:47.31 | gravity | deadcat: He's not even seeing the relevant question |
| 03:47.33 | odla | dvm1981: ok...you'll see what i mean...i encourage you to install a 2.6.12 kernel or greater before upgrading |
| 03:47.35 | TEST56 | ok. |
| 03:47.44 | gravity | I'm not going to dick around with it to figure out why when it's a one-word edit in the config file |
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| 03:48.16 | gravity | kids and their dpkg-reconfigure these days :-p |
| 03:48.33 | odla | his problem is X isn't loading cause of the mouse and he thinks it's his monitor? |
| 03:48.33 | TEST56 | How do I edit a file in console mode? |
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| 03:48.43 | deadcat | TEST56: nano |
| 03:48.52 | gravity | odla: No, X thinks his mouse is a serial mouse and it's a ps2 mouse |
| 03:49.02 | odla | oh i see |
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| 03:49.08 | gravity | TEST56: As root, nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:49.24 | gravity | TEST56: You're going to want to find the section on your mouse. It should be pretty clear |
| 03:49.49 | TEST56 | ok |
| 03:49.51 | gravity | TEST56: It'll be in an InputDevice section, and it'll have a paramter named "Device" that has '/dev/input/mice' as the key |
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| 03:50.10 | useruser | is there any way to upgrade sid, just fetching the urgency=high changes (and deps) ? |
| 03:50.18 | TEST56 | yes |
| 03:50.30 | TEST56 | imPS/2 |
| 03:50.41 | gravity | TEST56: It says ImPS/2 there? |
| 03:50.41 | TEST56 | ImPS/2 |
| 03:50.44 | gravity | where? |
| 03:50.49 | TEST56 | yes |
| 03:50.53 | TEST56 | protocol |
| 03:50.56 | gravity | Does it say "serial" anywhere? |
| 03:51.06 | TEST56 | CorePointer |
| 03:51.07 | odla | ok...hopefully i'll see you all in a minute |
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| 03:51.27 | TEST56 | no |
| 03:51.30 | gravity | This is insane |
| 03:52.02 | TEST56 | driver mouse |
| 03:52.06 | dvm1981 | odla: Is 'udev' also the cause that unstable are broken ? |
| 03:52.07 | gravity | Ok... new tactic |
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| 03:52.29 | gravity | TEST56: As root, do 'cat /dev/input/mice' and then move your mouse a bit. Tell me what happens. |
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| 03:53.14 | TEST56 | no such device |
| 03:53.19 | gravity | wtf |
| 03:53.22 | deadcat | somebody ssh and take a look |
| 03:53.24 | gravity | wtfingf |
| 03:53.27 | gravity | TEST56: Ok, I give up |
| 03:53.31 | gravity | I can't do this anymore |
| 03:53.49 | TEST56 | too bad |
| 03:54.01 | gravity | That file is there and it should open up just fine |
| 03:54.12 | TEST56 | pwd |
| 03:54.37 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Try with a basic mouse, if this works, say it ;-) |
| 03:54.51 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Some hardeware ... |
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| 03:56.14 | deadcat | !wtfingf |
| 03:56.24 | odla | ok i just upgraded from sarge to etch and now when i try to load my kernel i am forced to go into kernel maintainence mode |
| 03:56.25 | TEST56 | I can plug it as usb too |
| 03:56.42 | odla | it tells me there has been an unexpect inconsistency and that i need to run fsck manually |
| 03:56.51 | deadcat | TEST56: just plug in as usb. |
| 03:56.55 | TEST56 | would it help? |
| 03:56.59 | deadcat | it might |
| 03:57.00 | odla | when i run fsck, then it brings me to a prompt where my name is [none] |
| 03:57.03 | TEST56 | do I need to restart? |
| 03:57.04 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Try |
| 03:57.19 | odla | then when i reboot i get the kernel after running fsck i get the same problem |
| 03:57.23 | odla | any ideas what the problem is? |
| 03:57.26 | dvm1981 | TEST56: Can does nothings bad |
| 03:57.44 | TEST56 | actually I cant |
| 03:58.28 | odla | is this some sort of bug? |
| 03:58.36 | odla | this happens shortly after udev is loaded |
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| 03:59.50 | TEST56 | what if I reinstal debian? |
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| 04:00.36 | deadcat | TEST56: just reboot |
| 04:00.56 | dscener | i just installed etch with desktop, but when i try to start x (r6) i get an error that no symbols are found. any ideas? |
| 04:01.11 | quittt | necessito de um tocador de mp3 |
| 04:01.17 | odla | !es |
| 04:01.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 04:02.07 | TEST56 | what about mouse0...3 |
| 04:02.09 | odla | what could cause a kernel inconsistency? |
| 04:03.26 | TEST56 | it seems that the mouse module is not on my system |
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| 04:04.51 | TEST56 | If I connect my computer to the initernet, can I send a report from the console? |
| 04:05.31 | dscener | i think x may be failing to load because the GL lib is failing. how can i turn it off? |
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| 04:08.16 | orangey | hey all! |
| 04:08.18 | orangey | I'm having some troubles with my memory usage.. |
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| 04:08.26 | orangey | after only a few days of uptime, the memory (1 gb) is almost all used up. |
| 04:08.35 | orangey | and little or none of it is in swap |
| 04:09.05 | quittt | tell me a decent mp3 player |
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| 04:11.23 | nevyn | mp3blaster |
| 04:11.55 | useruser | mplayer |
| 04:13.29 | quittt | nevyn, I want X one |
| 04:13.34 | gravity | quod libet! |
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| 04:15.51 | tim__ | when i try to install gnome-desktop-environment i get dependency failures (gnome-applet can not meet the requirements of being >= 2.12.xxxxx) |
| 04:16.04 | tim__ | what should i do about something like that? |
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| 04:17.09 | tim__ | it says to file a bug report, but i cant immagine im the only one having this problem |
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| 04:17.23 | quittt | there is a music player that looks like XMMS |
| 04:17.29 | quittt | what is the name? |
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| 04:18.05 | afabian | If you mean winamp, you've got it the wrong way around. xmms looks like winamp. ;) |
| 04:18.10 | dvm1981 | quittt: xmms looks like winamp |
| 04:18.29 | quittt | no |
| 04:18.32 | quittt | it is like xmms |
| 04:18.33 | quittt | hahaha |
| 04:18.40 | tim__ | xmms and winamp use the same skins even i believe |
| 04:18.45 | quittt | yeah |
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| 04:18.53 | gravity | It's all about quodlibet |
| 04:18.55 | seeds | winamp and xmms look the same |
| 04:18.55 | quittt | but there is a XMMS like mp3 player in GTK2 |
| 04:19.24 | seeds | amarok? |
| 04:19.26 | gravity | quittt: beep-media-player |
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| 04:19.40 | quittt | yeah that's it |
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| 04:19.54 | gravity | quodlibet is also gtk2 and can look more or less like xmms if you want |
| 04:20.16 | Flimzy | Is there any way to run vlc without the GUI frontend popping up? |
| 04:21.41 | jbmigel | anyone know howto convert an autocad .dwg file to something more reasonable like .jpg or .pdf? |
| 04:25.22 | kris__ | this is kind of a dumb questions. How can I delete all of the non-essential packages on my machine? I'm renting a VPS from a provider, and it has a lot of crap I don't want/need. |
| 04:25.23 | tim__ | what should be done about packages that aptitude calls "BROKEN" ? |
| 04:25.27 | the_ultimate_sam | hmm whenever i switch from console to the xfree (alt f3--->alt f7) the display flickers on my tv. it doesnt happen on my computer just my tv (the tv is connected to the computer by svideo out) how do i fix this? |
| 04:25.50 | mush | kris__: debfoster |
| 04:26.12 | kris__ | I don't mean like, "how do i delete a package." I know how to do that. I want to delete _all_ packages that aren't the base system |
| 04:26.16 | kris__ | and, well, sshd |
| 04:26.17 | kris__ | heh |
| 04:26.39 | mush | mush: also dselect |
| 04:26.47 | mush | kris__: also dselect |
| 04:27.43 | kris__ | i guess i could select everything other than base to remove |
| 04:27.45 | kris__ | but uh |
| 04:27.51 | kris__ | that'll keep config files too |
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| 04:29.04 | mush | kris__: no it won't |
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| 04:29.51 | kris__ | it's really annoying that this hosting provider gives you a VPS with all of this crap already installed |
| 04:30.14 | bomin | okay, for those who were here earlier, ubuntu pxe install was smooth |
| 04:30.18 | kris__ | whatever, i'll just live with all of the extra packages. |
| 04:30.21 | bomin | still had problem with debian |
| 04:30.33 | kris__ | now if only i could get postfix to work |
| 04:31.20 | d0uglas | webmin-postfix ... |
| 04:31.22 | dreamboat | jbmigel: it is easy if you have autocad... and print to acrobat distiller |
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| 04:31.45 | dreamboat | jbmigel: no idea if you can do the same thing in linux |
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| 04:32.45 | kris__ | d0uglas: my problem goes deeper than not knowing how to configure it. |
| 04:32.57 | kris__ | d0uglas: i'm suspecting resource limitations |
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| 04:34.04 | jbmigel | dreamboat yes thanks but i dont have autocad or distiller, I have tried "convert" but it doesnt seem to be able to read .dwg's |
| 04:34.45 | jbmigel | perhaps there is an open source .dwg program that can export to something "convert" can read? |
| 04:35.19 | dreamboat | i did see an opensource dwg program, loaded it and had a look at it. |
| 04:35.27 | dreamboat | No autocad, but ok I suppose |
| 04:35.44 | dreamboat | I think the website mentioned compatability with autocad |
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| 04:37.06 | jbmigel | dreamboat can you remeber the name? I google but only get windows trial junk that all work like junk |
| 04:37.20 | dreamboat | lx-viewer might be okay |
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| 04:40.28 | jbmigel | dreamboat this looks ok, ill give it a try... thank you! (sad no .deb) |
| 04:41.44 | tim__ | what is the preferred way to correct dependency problems |
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| 04:44.10 | seeds | dependency problems is the worst |
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| 04:45.36 | d0uglas | for a celeron, should i be using 2.6 686 or 2.6 686 smp? apt says both (2.6.12) are for celerons among others |
| 04:45.41 | d0uglas | or are they the same |
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| 04:46.33 | tim__ | seeds, what do you do? |
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| 04:47.31 | soapee01 | is there a way to kill a process when 'kill -9' doesn't work? I've got a hung umount I'd like to get rid of. |
| 04:49.07 | seeds | tim i write |
| 04:49.21 | tim__ | you write what? |
| 04:49.27 | seeds | and work as a tech |
| 04:49.34 | seeds | fiction and poetry |
| 04:49.46 | tim__ | do they magically go away on their own? |
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| 04:49.57 | jbmigel | d0uglas you want 2.6 686, the "smp" version is for multi-processor systems which you dont have |
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| 04:51.16 | tim__ | how does one resolve dependency problems? |
| 04:51.46 | tim__ | i looked at the apt manual and it doesnt give me a solution |
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| 04:52.33 | d0uglas | I F'ed up the configuration in webalizer so i apt --purged it and reinstalled it but it's still looking for old files as if the system thinks it's fully installed .. any way out of this? |
| 04:52.35 | tim__ | besides defining what a dependency is, the apt manual is useless when it comes to resolving them |
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| 04:53.08 | jbmigel | wow dreamboat i was wrong the license for lx-viewer dependant software is horrible and requires signed release forms... I'll have to keep looking |
| 04:53.43 | jetscreamer | tim__: use dselect. scientifically proven to resolve dependencies better. seriously. |
| 04:54.17 | dondelelcaro | tim__: it would help if you would give us the actual output from apt; in general you resolve dependency problems by figuring out the dependency and then deciding what packages to remove/install to resolve it. |
| 04:54.18 | tim__ | well ive tried apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, i guess ill try dselect |
| 04:54.26 | dondelelcaro | tim__: aptitude has a rather advanced dependency resolver. |
| 04:54.36 | liable | !test |
| 04:54.36 | dpkg | No, liable, you're not online any more. |
| 04:54.53 | tim__ | aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment complains about ~5 BROKEN packages |
| 04:54.56 | jetscreamer | dselect: scientifically proven superior to aptitude in resolving dependencies. |
| 04:55.09 | dreamboat | jbmigel: linuxcad was the one I had downloaded. |
| 04:55.11 | dondelelcaro | tim__: in testing? or unstable? |
| 04:55.22 | liable | grr |
| 04:55.25 | tim__ | it wasnt working in testing so i upgraded to unstable |
| 04:55.30 | tim__ | and now its super not working |
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| 04:55.39 | dreamboat | jbmigel: there is a free (slightly older) version available iirc |
| 04:55.50 | dondelelcaro | tim__: you may not be able to install a metapackage like that in unstable all the time, as things get upgraded there all the time. |
| 04:56.00 | dondelelcaro | tim__: just install the individual dependencies of that metapackage instead. |
| 04:56.32 | dondelelcaro | tim__: alternatively, press g in the aptitude ncurses interface, and it will resolve the broken packages for you. |
| 04:56.39 | Flimzy | Is there any way to capture a video stream from a Motorola DCT6200 over firewire _without_ using MythTV? |
| 04:56.45 | tim__ | dondelelcaro, will try it |
| 04:57.00 | dreamboat | jbmigel: "linuxcad supports.... dxf, dwg...." |
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| 04:57.32 | secher | Heyal all. which one: xpdf or pdf-viewer? or some other package? |
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| 04:57.49 | zyros | does anyone here have nicotine, or pysoulseek? |
| 04:57.57 | zyros | installed on debian.... |
| 04:58.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell zyros -about ask |
| 04:58.06 | jetscreamer | try all of them. i seem to prefer xpdf but i don't do pdf much |
| 04:58.08 | tim__ | dondelelcaro, even dselect wont let me do anything |
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| 04:58.25 | dondelelcaro | !tell tim__ -about bat |
| 04:58.33 | dondelelcaro | tim__: follow those instructions and give us the complete output. |
| 04:58.42 | secher | jetscreamer, thanks. |
| 04:59.23 | scarynetworkguy | tim__: The most charitable way to describe a suggestion that you use dselect for *anything* would be "fucking troll". You really don't want to go there. Listen to dondelelcaro he knows his stuff. |
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| 04:59.37 | jetscreamer | scarynetworkguy: as i said: proven fact. |
| 05:00.00 | jetscreamer | but yes listen to dondelelcaro |
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| 05:00.07 | tim__ | scarynetworkguy, dondelelcaro is telling me to use dslect |
| 05:00.07 | jetscreamer | he does |
| 05:00.11 | jetscreamer | no i did |
| 05:00.16 | zyros | does anyone here have nicotine, or pysoulseek? |
| 05:00.19 | dondelelcaro | no, I haven't said anything about dselect... |
| 05:00.29 | scarynetworkguy | tim__: No he did not. dondelelcaro knows better than that. :) |
| 05:00.33 | tim__ | scarynetworkguy, actually i guess that was jetscreamer |
| 05:00.39 | jetscreamer | we know |
| 05:00.42 | dondelelcaro | zyros: if that's your actual question, then yes. Otherwise, ask your actual question. |
| 05:00.47 | scarynetworkguy | tim__: See the above. :) |
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| 05:04.02 | jetscreamer | not letting you do anything because you're not root? |
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| 05:08.43 | tim__ | ahhhh my paste isnt working |
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| 05:09.07 | Paivakil | tim__: esplain yourselves |
| 05:09.23 | tim__ | when i try pasting im getting old clipboard data |
| 05:09.43 | tim__ | so i cant paste my aptitude results because its coming out as a line i copied in xchat |
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| 05:09.56 | tim__ | i can paste it into emacs just fine |
| 05:09.56 | Paivakil | console? konsole? |
| 05:10.00 | tim__ | aterm |
| 05:10.07 | tim__ | xterm does the same thing |
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| 05:10.47 | djef33 | Is somedody know why my nvidia server tell me it run on 2xAGP when the real value is 4xAGP |
| 05:11.06 | deadcat | how do i update my fonts? fucking msfonts fucked up me. i want to update without restarting x |
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| 05:11.37 | inetd | deadcat: xset fp rehash |
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| 05:11.47 | tyler | i need help, i cannot play wmv files with mpayer? |
| 05:12.17 | deadcat | inetd: that was quick (= |
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| 05:12.28 | Guerin | tyler: install w32codecs |
| 05:12.29 | deadcat | let me rename that msfont dir back |
| 05:12.39 | inetd | tyler: some wmv formats not supported... |
| 05:12.48 | iluciv | hi just wondering where I find the floppy install disks for a laptop install that has no cd rom |
| 05:12.51 | tim__ | wtf i think aterm, xterm, emacs use a different clipboard than firefox and xchat |
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| 05:13.04 | tyler | w32codecs? |
| 05:13.08 | tyler | where do i get them? |
| 05:13.16 | inetd | deadcat: you need to tell me how you did those backgrounds in console? (saw some screenshots in ur page) |
| 05:13.44 | deadcat | inetd: that was bootsplash (x86) and fbsplash for ppc |
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| 05:14.09 | _Sam-- | good luck with bootsplash without a new kernel |
| 05:14.29 | zyros | what is bootsplash? |
| 05:14.32 | iluciv | the laptop does have pcmcia card and a usb1 external case with dvdrom burner but I either need a floppy to boot first then mount the usb/dvdburner or netinstall |
| 05:14.40 | deadcat | zyros: dont ask dont tell |
| 05:14.41 | inetd | deadcat: ic....and do you have the script for that debian logo? with the ascii color logo |
| 05:14.54 | deadcat | inetd: thats linux_logo |
| 05:15.04 | zyros | deadcat, why not |
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| 05:15.07 | deadcat | linuxlogo or something. search it |
| 05:15.10 | sses | hello room |
| 05:15.20 | deadcat | zyros: if you have to ask. it will be hard to get it running |
| 05:15.38 | zyros | ok.... |
| 05:15.44 | zyros | that doesnt make sense |
| 05:15.46 | _Sam-- | it hides the boot up messages |
| 05:15.47 | quittt | wtf |
| 05:15.49 | quittt | when this problem with Debian menu will finished? it is duplicated... |
| 05:15.51 | _Sam-- | and shows a progress bar |
| 05:15.53 | zyros | i was just wondering what it is |
| 05:15.57 | _Sam-- | and/or graphic |
| 05:15.58 | deadcat | zyros: of course not |
| 05:16.32 | tyler | i need help, i cannot play wmv files with mplayer? |
| 05:16.59 | deadcat | tyler: w32codec ? from marillat maybe |
| 05:17.10 | inetd | deadcat: cheers |
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| 05:17.14 | sses | I want to enable the main user to use sudo. "# visudo" does it but passing it brings nano up. Do I need to install vi or vim to properly use visudo? |
| 05:17.20 | deadcat | inetd: cool |
| 05:17.20 | tim__ | ok heres my aptitude problem: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/yxyDI072.html http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/rL8jfk67.html |
| 05:17.28 | sses | I'm on a server install |
| 05:17.37 | deadcat | inetd: i am testing cedega (= |
| 05:17.41 | deadcat | on a p3 800mhz |
| 05:18.19 | liable | sses: just use nano, it doesnt matter. |
| 05:18.31 | Kalisto | somebody can help me i do a ssh conection but i receive Permission denied (publickey). what i can do please |
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| 05:18.50 | sses | k thanks |
| 05:18.50 | liable | Kalisto: get the key.. |
| 05:19.05 | inetd | deadcat: i see..i had a play with it aswell..worked quiet well for some games |
| 05:19.06 | Kalisto | the server give me a alert that is problem of a keymap |
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| 05:19.32 | iluciv | anyone performed an install from floppies?? |
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| 05:19.38 | deadcat | inetd: i am trying to get A game to work. (= then will do counterstrike when i get a copy from friend |
| 05:19.45 | inetd | deadcat: i downloaded it from www.tuxwarez.org |
| 05:19.50 | deadcat | inetd: put he disk in and install |
| 05:19.50 | _Sam-- | a netinst from floppy should be pretty easy |
| 05:19.57 | inetd | deadcat: there is a one called point2play aswell |
| 05:19.59 | deadcat | inetd: cedega? |
| 05:20.01 | _Sam-- | i used to do a 1 floppy debian install |
| 05:20.02 | deadcat | oh ya. |
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| 05:20.06 | inetd | deadcat: yes |
| 05:20.22 | deadcat | inetd: it was winex. (=. they are like phoenix->firebird->firefox |
| 05:20.29 | iluciv | _Sam--:where did you get the floppy disk images from |
| 05:20.38 | deadcat | iluciv: debian.org |
| 05:20.42 | inetd | deadcat: tuxwarez.com |
| 05:20.49 | mrdrok885 | is totem a good movie player? |
| 05:20.55 | deadcat | inetd: i got it from a torrent site |
| 05:21.06 | deadcat | mrdrok885: try and see for yourself |
| 05:21.06 | iluciv | deadcat: I can't seem to find them can't see for looking I guess |
| 05:21.13 | smacnay | I am trying to stop my 2.6.12-1-k7 kernel from loading a bunch of unneccesary modules. I have "blacklisted" modules in hotplug but they still load. I am trying to utilise the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file but that doesn't seem to work. Should I have ALL of the following files and directories in a 2.6.12 initrd kernel? -> /etc/modules /etc/modules.conf /etc/modprobe.conf /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 05:21.35 | deadcat | iluciv: debian.org, left side. install |
| 05:21.39 | smacnay | Or are some of those dir and files no longer needed? |
| 05:21.42 | sts9 | I cant start X as a normal user get this error: "_IceTransmkdir: ERROR: Owner of /tmp/.ICE-unix must be set to root. " the fixes on google talk about chmod. so tried this and its fine until I reboot. then problem happens again. also will work if I log into X as root then log out and then back into X as user. |
| 05:21.47 | inetd | deadcat: i got Counterstrike to work with nvdrivers...worked nicely |
| 05:21.53 | deadcat | cool. |
| 05:21.54 | iluciv | deadcat:thanks |
| 05:22.20 | deadcat | my glxgears is only 500fps though. 128MB card but my BIOS is old i think. NvAGP is nly set to 1. |
| 05:22.24 | sts9 | so everytime I reboot the problem starts over |
| 05:22.35 | tim__ | does anyone have any idea why i seem to have two seperate clipboards? (one that aterm, xterm, emacs uses, the other is used by xchat and firefox) |
| 05:22.46 | deadcat | sts9: is /tmp 4777 ? |
| 05:22.57 | zyros | can enlightenment install on debian? |
| 05:22.59 | inetd | deadcat: 500fps?? thats not in game is it? sv_showfps 1 |
| 05:23.06 | inetd | inetd: usually its 100fps |
| 05:23.07 | blockd | tim__: there's the 'clipboard' and 'mouse selection (middle button)' at least... |
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| 05:23.16 | inetd | deadcat: usually its 100fps max |
| 05:23.24 | sts9 | well its possible that the issue is cause I have /tmp mounted as a seperate partition |
| 05:23.40 | sts9 | deadcat: hold on... |
| 05:23.49 | _Sam-- | hmmm i think that guy is right...how do you download floppies from debian.org..i cant find any links |
| 05:23.57 | tim__ | blockd, ahh yeah i see now. in windows they are merged |
| 05:24.05 | blockd | tim__: e.g., you could possibly get different things from ctrl+v (or ctrl+shift+insert) vs middle mouse button click |
| 05:24.11 | sts9 | deadcat: rwxrwxrwt 2 root root 112 2006-01-12 17:18 .ICE-unix |
| 05:24.23 | blockd | tim__: personally I find it more annoying than it's worth... but then I'm sure some people love it |
| 05:24.28 | sts9 | cd .. |
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| 05:24.30 | zyros | can enlightenment install on debian? |
| 05:24.43 | tim__ | blockd, well as long as i know how its working i can deal with it |
| 05:24.46 | tim__ | blockd, thanks |
| 05:24.50 | mrdrok885 | i installed enlightenment today but it wasn't in the menu |
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| 05:25.05 | deadcat | inetd: well soldier o ffortune works. but i dont have the cdkey (= |
| 05:25.05 | zyros | mrdrok885, so it doesnt work? |
| 05:25.05 | sts9 | deadcat: opps wrong one. heres for /tmp: drwxrwxrwt 11 root root 360 2006-01-12 17:24 tmp |
| 05:25.06 | mrdrok885 | when i ran enlightenment at the prompt it asked me to configure |
| 05:25.14 | deadcat | sts9: seems right |
| 05:25.23 | mrdrok885 | zyros, yes it works |
| 05:25.31 | zyros | oh, e17?? |
| 05:25.43 | mrdrok885 | zyros: i remember i did that before and coulnd't find my way back to kde |
| 05:25.58 | zyros | mrdrok885, thats not good |
| 05:26.30 | mrdrok885 | no |
| 05:26.34 | deadcat | fucking sbc and their install kit. i just got sbc for 1 day and i hate them already |
| 05:26.45 | zyros | sbc is gay |
| 05:26.56 | deadcat | outgoing mail is so damn confusing to confuse )= |
| 05:27.05 | sts9 | deadcat: a site mention adding "chmod 777 .ICE-unix/" and "chmod +t .ICE-unix/" to rc.local, but that is for RedHat. whats would be a similar startup script for debian |
| 05:27.16 | deadcat | dslextreme is much better. but since sbc is 17$/month |
| 05:27.30 | deadcat | sts9: you can do that. |
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| 05:28.35 | IcePenguin | Hi all |
| 05:28.39 | sts9 | deadcat: I dont have rc.local on this machine. Does debian use /etc/rc.local? or a similar yet different named startup script? |
| 05:28.58 | deadcat | sts9: just create it in /etc/init.d/ then man update-rc.d |
| 05:29.16 | sts9 | ok thanks. Ill try that |
| 05:29.25 | liable | !rc.local |
| 05:29.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 05:30.00 | IcePenguin | I have a quick question about debian + dhcp3 when someone has time. Thank you. |
| 05:30.04 | sts9 | deadcat: seems like a hack though. ya know? I never had this prob before till my HD crashes and I reinstalled everything |
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| 05:30.32 | deadcat | sts9: well. find the problem then heheh. |
| 05:30.35 | sts9 | deadcat: but then again this time I put /tmp on a seperate partition. |
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| 05:31.14 | dondelelcaro | sts9: that shouldn't matter, ICE should be quite happy with on a system that sets TMPDIR to something like ~/tmp or similar |
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| 05:32.23 | mrdrok885 | can anyone mesg dpkg? |
| 05:32.25 | iluciv_ | Hi I need to download the floppy images for a net install (old laptop) but I can't seem to find them at debian.org |
| 05:32.34 | dondelelcaro | mrdrok885: if they're in this channel and I haven't banned them, yes. |
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| 05:32.47 | sts9 | dondelelcaro: well then do you suggest I change ICE to use ~/tmp instead of just /tmp. would it bieng more dynamic solve the issue of "_IceTransmkdir: ERROR: Owner of /tmp/.ICE-unix must be set to root" when loggin in a a user |
| 05:32.53 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: the macbook pro's power adaptor seems cool. |
| 05:32.55 | mrdrok885 | lol dondelalcaro thanks |
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| 05:33.26 | greennick | could someone briefly remind me how to compile a kernel module from source, i.e. 3c59x.c? |
| 05:33.39 | Guerin | durnit, how to ensure that all files in a dir are owned and bound by the same permissions as the dir itself |
| 05:33.41 | zinx | green: uhm, is it in the kernel source tree? |
| 05:33.55 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you can't; the most you can do is make the dir +s |
| 05:34.03 | dondelelcaro | s/+/g+s/ |
| 05:34.22 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: sticky means that files can only be deleted or moves by the owner/group |
| 05:34.29 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: does it extend to modification? |
| 05:34.40 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: and it means that by default they're owned by the group. |
| 05:34.45 | Guerin | hrm, ok. |
| 05:34.55 | zyros | how do i install the stuff on debian disc 2 |
| 05:34.58 | Guerin | that could work, but I still need to set g+w on all the files in there |
| 05:35.10 | dondelelcaro | s/owned by/group is set to the/ |
| 05:35.29 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, that's really a function of umask unfortunatly... |
| 05:35.40 | zinx | green: anyway, if it is, save yourself a lot of time and just enable it as a module, and hit 'make' |
| 05:35.46 | azreal | how can i find out what cd image cotains said package? |
| 05:35.54 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: if you've got bloody stupid users, you can set up their bashrc's to obey a .umask in appropriate folders or similar... |
| 05:36.14 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: then remap cd et al. to twiddle umask as appropriate |
| 05:36.24 | jetscreamer | for a what? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 05:36.38 | IcePenguin | I'm running DHCP3 server and have interfaces selected through webmin. DHCP3 daemon will not load at startup time because "Not configured to listen on any interfaces!" When I start dhcp3 through webmin it starts without errors. How can I make the dhcp server start at boot time? |
| 05:36.52 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: there's a blosxom plugin to edit entries, but it fails unless the entry is writable by www-data; I can trivially set the dir writable by it, but it seems to need write privileges to the file as well |
| 05:37.07 | greennick | no, it's not in the ordinary kernel source tree (installing sarge via floppy), so i need to add it in to via modprobe to get ethernet to continue a net install with apt |
| 05:37.22 | greennick | zinx: sorry, that was for you |
| 05:37.30 | dondelelcaro | sts9: admitedly, it's been a long time since I've played with ICE though; you should just be able to create that folder in /tmp with the appropriate permissions, and it should stick around |
| 05:37.39 | Guerin | i'd have thought it saner to, instead of editing the file, just copy it elsewhere, apply modifications, delete the original and replace with the edited one |
| 05:37.45 | jetscreamer | i 'think' Guerin was the dselect > * witness, but i forget |
| 05:37.52 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, that's what I would say too... |
| 05:37.52 | Guerin | jetscreamer: hell no |
| 05:37.57 | zinx | greennick: eh, there should be a precompiled 3c59x module somewhere |
| 05:38.00 | jetscreamer | witness |
| 05:38.04 | zinx | greennick: or a floppy with such a thing built-in |
| 05:38.19 | Guerin | i suppose I could run a 1-minute cron job to change the ownership, but it's have to run as root... |
| 05:38.24 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: since you get rid of the race condition where the file is being edited by two people or something; the inode always stays pointing at a valid file |
| 05:38.25 | blockd | if group permissions is enough, there's setgid on a dir to keep the group... |
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| 05:38.57 | dondelelcaro | s/edited by two people/edited while being viewed/ |
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| 05:39.21 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah. I'm finding that losxom is awesome, but the plugins which provide most of its functionality are very, very poorlymaintained and written |
| 05:39.36 | iluciv | wOOt found the images me=blind |
| 05:39.40 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah... I've seen that before too, unfortunatly... |
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| 05:40.19 | greennick | zinx: well, a doc page has told me that i need to compile it with a particular pcmcia option to hit my cardbus ethernet card, hence the desire to compile from source - is it that hard? can i use make or gcc or something and set it up to modprobe it? |
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| 05:41.40 | iluciv | oh wait no WTF it keeps leading me to this page http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst so I read the manual follow the links and back to that same page again what am I missing?? |
| 05:42.14 | zinx | greennick: it's extremely hard if you don't already have a working installation |
| 05:42.15 | myself | hallo |
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| 05:42.36 | dondelelcaro | iluciv: you're looking for the floppy images? |
| 05:42.52 | iluciv | yeah |
| 05:43.05 | iluciv | dondelecaro:yes |
| 05:43.22 | dondelelcaro | iluciv: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 05:43.28 | dondelelcaro | iluciv: that's basically what you're looking for |
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| 05:43.39 | dondelelcaro | iluciv: modulate the path if you don't want i386 floppies |
| 05:44.01 | iluciv | dondelecaro: thanks heaps |
| 05:44.32 | poopyhead | hi guys, are any of you using sarge as your desktop? |
| 05:44.39 | poopyhead | non-critical machine? |
| 05:44.48 | zyros | whats sarge? |
| 05:44.54 | greennick | zinx: well, i do have a working installation on another partition, and thru the floppy install (which is already complete and bootable) i can mount that, move it around, etc - so it's not so hopeless. whaddya think? can i compile it? |
| 05:45.02 | poopyhead | a little green plastic army man, zyros |
| 05:45.13 | ke6isf | !tell zyros -about sarge |
| 05:45.19 | zinx | greennick: if you have the kernel headers for the specific kernel you're booting from, yes |
| 05:45.29 | ke6isf | poopyhead: I'm using it as a server and a desktop. |
| 05:45.44 | zinx | greennick: but i suspect that you don't need to |
| 05:45.50 | poopyhead | ke6isf: any DE's? or are you just using a windowmanager? |
| 05:46.06 | ke6isf | poopyhead: What's a DE? |
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| 05:46.15 | poopyhead | desktop environment such as gnome/kde |
| 05:46.22 | ke6isf | poopyhead: Ah, OK. Gnome. |
| 05:46.22 | zinx | ke6isf: Desert Eagle. it's a handgun. |
| 05:46.30 | zinx | :D |
| 05:46.33 | deadcat | desktop environment |
| 05:46.34 | ke6isf | poopyhead: Why not just ask your question? |
| 05:46.42 | greennick | zinx: where would i find the kernel headers, to be sure? |
| 05:46.43 | ke6isf | zinx: Cute. =^^= |
| 05:46.44 | poopyhead | ke6isf: that was my question |
| 05:46.49 | ke6isf | !poll |
| 05:46.49 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 05:46.54 | zyros | is it a wm? |
| 05:46.59 | zinx | greennick: if you don't know, then you probably don't have them. |
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| 05:47.34 | poopyhead | ke6isf: I understand that a majority of desktop users use >= etch. I wanted to see how sarge users got by. |
| 05:47.36 | greennick | zinx: i think you're probably right on that count...your bet is that i can use a precompiled 3c59x driver without unusual options? |
| 05:47.39 | zinx | greennick: and i don't know where to get them, or even which specific kernel you're running :/ |
| 05:47.46 | IcePenguin | Could someone please help me? I am working on a church project |
| 05:47.50 | poopyhead | ke6isf: not a poll |
| 05:48.00 | zinx | greennick: yeah, just get something with both cardbus/pcmcia and 3c59x support |
| 05:48.07 | ke6isf | poopyhead: You were asking what Sarge users did. It was a poll/survey. |
| 05:48.10 | greennick | zinx: the floppy-install is running sarge on 2.4.27 |
| 05:48.21 | Kalisto | is posible disable the publickey in ssh? |
| 05:48.24 | poopyhead | ke6isf: you were the first to respond. I asked you directly. |
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| 05:48.27 | greennick | zinx: i've been trying for that...any good leads as to where to find such a driver, or a reference to one? |
| 05:48.31 | poopyhead | ke6isf: it's done. I have my answer. |
| 05:48.38 | ke6isf | poopyhead: Don't do it again. |
| 05:48.45 | poopyhead | right, boss |
| 05:49.30 | zinx | greennick: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/ if anywhere |
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| 05:49.53 | liable | Kalisto: yes, challengerespose in the config.. |
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| 05:50.54 | zinx | greennick: That's what's linked off the d-i page for floppy images, anyway |
| 05:51.36 | zinx | greennick: erh, that's the daily build, here's the release; sorry :P http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/beta1/images/ |
| 05:51.52 | zinx | and meh |
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| 05:52.01 | ke6isf | Hmm, unzip is in tonight's updates. Wonder what's up. |
| 05:52.08 | zinx | i still have the devel bookmarked |
| 05:52.26 | zinx | greennick: third time's the charm! http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
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| 05:52.52 | zoid_ | hi |
| 05:52.54 | stew | ke6isf: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2006/msg00009.html |
| 05:53.16 | greennick | zinx: right, so i nabbed my floppies from the second link you gave, loaded the net-drivers disk, and still no ethernet functionality - the apt-configuration can't get through |
| 05:53.30 | ke6isf | While updating my wife's box (Sarge), I'm getting listings indicating that there are bugs in certain installed packages. What causes this to display? |
| 05:53.42 | zinx | greennick: did you get/use the net-drivers image? |
| 05:53.53 | ke6isf | stew: Thanks. |
| 05:53.57 | zinx | greennick: you need like three floppies :/ |
| 05:54.03 | greennick | zinx: yes, i did. perhaps i need to manually (modprobe) install a driver on that disk, but i've tried a few and no luck. |
| 05:54.11 | greennick | zinx: precisely, 3 floppies |
| 05:54.16 | stew | ke6isf: do you not subscribe to d-s-a? you should, it's only essential traffic |
| 05:54.23 | zinx | greennick: is it listed via lspci (if you can do lspci) |
| 05:54.55 | ke6isf | stew: No, I don't. That's debian-??-announce? |
| 05:55.07 | stew | dsa |
| 05:55.11 | stew | !dsa |
| 05:55.11 | dpkg | somebody said dsa was Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/. Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 05:55.21 | ke6isf | stew: Thanks again. =^^= |
| 05:55.25 | ke6isf | !beer stew |
| 05:55.38 | stew | ke6isf: it only get's messages when there are new stable packes available |
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| 05:55.44 | greennick | zinx: i can (i'm also logged in on an old suse installation on the same laptop i'm trying to install debian on), so i know what the card is: 3Com 656 Cyclone Cardbus |
| 05:55.57 | ke6isf | stew: Light load then. NO filtration necessary. |
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| 05:57.02 | stew | ke6isf: no, only essential, looky here http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2005/threads.html or sub 2006 for 2005 |
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| 05:58.15 | greennick | zinx: i feel like this shouldn't be too hard because i was able to install with this same ethernet card under suse 8.1 and i think 7.3 with standard modules disks |
| 05:58.42 | zinx | greennick: seems like a dumb way to do a driver |
| 05:58.58 | zinx | greennick: probably an oversight due to driver stupidity |
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| 05:59.54 | zinx | having one single driver support only one of PCI/CardBus is bad design :/ |
| 06:00.12 | zinx | have to compile the exact same module twice and rename it :/ |
| 06:00.23 | ke6isf | stew: Almost tried doing it through the NNTP gate, but too spammy there. |
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| 06:00.51 | greennick | zinx: yeah, i hear that...tho bad design or not, i'm here. : ) |
| 06:00.51 | glitch_ | anyone know what the latest stable kernel for deb is? |
| 06:01.41 | zinx | greennick: grab the kernel source package for that kernel, and build the kernel with the source changed/whatever :/ |
| 06:02.10 | glitch_ | oh I dont want a custom Kernel just the default 2.6.whatever |
| 06:02.15 | stew | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 stable |
| 06:02.18 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 13728 kB, Installed size: 41244 kB |
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| 06:02.21 | glitch_ | thanks |
| 06:02.38 | zyros | how do i go back and isntall all the packages? |
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| 06:02.45 | stew | glitch_: /msg dpkg sarge install kernel |
| 06:02.47 | stew | errr |
| 06:02.54 | stew | glitch_: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 06:02.58 | ke6isf | zyros: What point did you leave off at? |
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| 06:03.07 | glitch_ | thanks |
| 06:03.17 | verxion | can anyone tell me if there is an easy way to install samba 3.0.21a on sarge or do I need to grab the sources? |
| 06:03.56 | ke6isf | !info samba sarge |
| 06:03.56 | zyros | i dont know, i want every package installed tho, so i dont have trouble installingt things later |
| 06:03.56 | dpkg | samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.14a-3sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 2491 kB, Installed size: 6328 kB |
| 06:04.00 | stew | verxion: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 06:04.14 | ke6isf | verxion: Looks like it's just a case of 'apt-get install samba'. |
| 06:04.15 | stew | verxion: and /msg dpkg backports |
| 06:04.31 | verxion | stew, I don't know if you got my message from earlier |
| 06:04.36 | verxion | but the livecd fixed me right up |
| 06:04.38 | verxion | thanks a ton |
| 06:04.39 | verxion | :) |
| 06:04.45 | stew | verxion: cool |
| 06:05.13 | tengulre11 | How to building a big mail server under debian? (about 30,000 users) |
| 06:05.23 | ke6isf | tengulre11: apt-get install postfix |
| 06:05.30 | verxion | fw:/etc/samba# dpkg --list | grep samba |
| 06:05.30 | verxion | ii samba 3.0.14a-3sarge a LanManager-like file and printer server fo |
| 06:05.30 | verxion | ii samba-common 3.0.14a-3sarge Samba common files used by both the server a |
| 06:05.41 | ke6isf | verxion: Don't fucking paste in the channel! |
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| 06:05.49 | verxion | ke6isf: ok. . . . . |
| 06:05.50 | aalex | hi |
| 06:05.52 | tengulre11 | ke6isf: what is web client ? |
| 06:06.17 | ke6isf | tengulre11: eh? |
| 06:06.20 | aalex | how can i configure samba on debian ? i want to be mounted on a mac os x machine |
| 06:06.27 | verxion | ke6isf: I had done an "apt-get update; apt-get install samba" and all I got was 3.0.14a-3sarge |
| 06:06.43 | ke6isf | verxion: ...and? |
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| 06:07.58 | verxion | well, anyone have a sid source url? |
| 06:08.18 | ke6isf | verxion: Well, stew gave you the backports factoids. Might consult those. |
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| 06:08.28 | verxion | I did both of them |
| 06:08.32 | stew | verxion: yeah just copy your current deb line and change it to deb-src and change stable to sid |
| 06:08.36 | greennick | zinx: ok, essentially i should recompile a whole kernel for my temporary install system - i see that, it'll probably work |
| 06:08.41 | verxion | stew, thank ye |
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| 06:09.30 | greennick | zinx: i'd do it from the other (net-connecting) partition on the same machine, just copy it over to the correct partition's /boot - but do you think i could get away with using a more up-to-date kernel while i'm at it? |
| 06:10.59 | verxion | stew, is this what you had in mind?: "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free" becomes "deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" |
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| 06:11.29 | stew | verxion: yes |
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| 06:11.51 | ke6isf | !ubuntusmite ubuntu |
| 06:11.57 | verxion | stew: ok, I did that, then did "apt-get update; apt-get install samba" and it said it was up to date |
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| 06:14.00 | greennick | ke6isf: i count myself lucky to even *get* that joke - is there a big cause against ubuntu from a deb perspective? |
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| 06:14.23 | dondelelcaro | greennick: not particularly, we just can't support it here. |
| 06:14.26 | ubuntu | i have a weird problem with my computer, mprime fails everytime, although if i run the ubuntu live cd and reboot mprime can run for days on my installed OS. It of course does not work if I shutdown and start back up. |
| 06:15.05 | mhall | ubuntu: in what way does it fail? can you strace it and look for errors |
| 06:15.07 | greennick | dondelelcaro |
| 06:15.17 | mhall | ubuntu: BTW if ubuntu works for you why aren't you just using that |
| 06:15.20 | greennick | dondelelcaro: don't you mean donde es el carro? |
| 06:15.30 | ubuntu | a rounding error about 10-15 seconds in |
| 06:15.30 | dondelelcaro | !tell greennick -about meaning of dondelelcaro |
| 06:15.33 | zyros | what is ubuntu? |
| 06:15.42 | mhall | zyros: are you trolling? |
| 06:15.50 | mhall | !tell zyros about ubuntu |
| 06:15.59 | verxion | ubuntu: I would check your memory timings personally |
| 06:16.00 | dondelelcaro | ubuntu: that sounds like a coding error in the program, or some sort of library incompatibility. |
| 06:16.24 | ke6isf | zyros: /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 06:16.30 | zyros | i got it |
| 06:16.34 | mhall | ke6isf: 22:13 < mhall> !tell zyros about ubuntu |
| 06:16.35 | dondelelcaro | (unless this machine is getting random non-deterministic hardware errors) |
| 06:16.45 | ubuntu | do you have any idea what ubuntu would do to cause this, besides touching the ram |
| 06:16.47 | ke6isf | zyros: ...doh! |
| 06:16.57 | ke6isf | ubuntu: Nope. |
| 06:17.06 | dondelelcaro | ubuntu: uh... are you even running Debian? |
| 06:17.21 | ubuntu | no |
| 06:17.30 | dondelelcaro | ubuntu: then #ubuntu is the place you should be talking to, not #debian. |
| 06:17.31 | verxion | ke6isf: I can't seem to get the sid version of samba to install |
| 06:17.40 | ubuntu | they had no idea.. |
| 06:17.42 | mhall | dondelelcaro: :-) |
| 06:17.42 | ke6isf | verxion: Couldn't help you. |
| 06:17.44 | ke6isf | !they don't know |
| 06:17.45 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 06:17.54 | mhall | ubuntu: forum? mailing list? |
| 06:18.03 | ubuntu | alright |
| 06:18.19 | mhall | ubuntu: and you need to get *comprehensive* logs and a clear concise and ordered description of the problem |
| 06:18.31 | mhall | ubuntu: after that, post it to a mailing list, and then possibly a bug tracker |
| 06:18.39 | ubuntu | ok |
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| 06:19.08 | mhall | ubuntu: hard problems can take several people working together to figure them out |
| 06:19.25 | mhall | ubuntu: especially software-hardware interaction bugs which is what it sounds like you might have |
| 06:19.41 | mhall | ubuntu: meanwhile you'd better have your bios load the unoverclocked failsafe defaults |
| 06:19.41 | ubuntu | yeah |
| 06:20.16 | mhall | ubuntu: esp. if you have got a DFI mobo; i swear i'll never buy one cause of the trouble i had setting one up in a community service project i'd decided to do |
| 06:21.46 | ubuntu | thank you for the help, im gonna try google some more |
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| 06:23.29 | mhall | fuck fuck fuck a duck screw a kangaroo |
| 06:23.44 | mhall | why can't people google shit before they ballyhoo?!?!? |
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| 06:25.08 | mhall | dondelelcaro: you are in casbah-rockage mode right now |
| 06:25.16 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i praise your efforts |
| 06:25.29 | dondelelcaro | I'm not the sharif |
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| 06:26.15 | mhall | dondelelcaro: yeah, my old schoolmate from the philippines was Sharif |
| 06:26.23 | mhall | dondelelcaro: you seem more like a sheriff ;-) |
| 06:26.37 | greennick | zynx: i wonder if you're still around...but if you are: |
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| 06:28.02 | greennick | zynx: so if were to compile a kernel to do a debian net-install (the basic filesystem's already there from a floppy install), couldn't i just copy over a precompiled (by me) kernel on the *same machine* with the *same hardware* that's on my suse partition? (i'm trying to swap over from suse 8.1 to sarge or etch, that's my end goal)? |
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| 06:28.16 | greennick | anyone else: welcome to respond to my last comment to zynx |
| 06:28.29 | mhall | hmm let's see |
| 06:28.42 | mhall | smacnay: is your nick in pig latin? |
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| 06:29.00 | mhall | greennick: what kind of funny hardware's in the box chief |
| 06:29.16 | smacnay | mhall: hehe, never thought of that, but, no, it isn't. |
| 06:29.24 | ke6isf | mhall: Why not just copy over the custom kernel headers and start from there? |
| 06:29.35 | mhall | ke6isf: ? |
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| 06:29.48 | ke6isf | mhall: oops... I'm battin' a thousand tonight. |
| 06:29.54 | ke6isf | greenfly: Why not just copy over the custom kernel headers and start from there? |
| 06:30.16 | greennick | mhall: a hp omnibook 900 laptop with a 3com cardbus 656 pcmcia ethernet card (that won't run under sarge's floppy .img-provided modules) |
| 06:30.16 | mhall | ke6isf: haha |
| 06:30.32 | mhall | greennick: hmm that is a bit unusual |
| 06:30.45 | mhall | greennick: is this cardbus gadget real new or real old? |
| 06:30.49 | greennick | mhall: a bit old (1999) |
| 06:31.10 | greennick | mhall: oh, the cardbus gadget may be more recent - maybe 2001-2003? |
| 06:31.16 | mhall | greennick: funny, you'd think it would work |
| 06:31.30 | greennick | mhall: yeah, you would...it did for suse, but dammit, i want debian now! |
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| 06:31.57 | greennick | ke6isf: how do i know if/where i have the custom kernel headers? |
| 06:32.13 | mhall | greennick: my advice is that you take a crack at the following link |
| 06:32.24 | greennick | mhall: ooh, i like links |
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| 06:32.46 | mhall | greennick: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 06:32.59 | neuterspay | Anybody in here use nicotine for their p2p client? |
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| 06:33.08 | mhall | greennick: this is a bleeding edge installer iso with latest 2.6 |
| 06:33.21 | mhall | greennick: 2.6 seems to have *a lot* more drivers than 2.4 |
| 06:33.39 | mhall | greennick: if that doesn't work, your best best is using a custom knoppix to do the job |
| 06:34.09 | mhall | greennick: or hd installing regular knoppix and dist-upgrading into sid |
| 06:34.33 | neuterspay | Does anybody know what If you have the Java JRE installed somewhere unusual (or not in your PATH), |
| 06:34.34 | mhall | greennick: i think you can also generate boot floppies and stuff but i never did it myself so i'm not the guy to ask |
| 06:34.37 | neuterspay | use the JAVA_PROGRAM_DIR option in the script. |
| 06:34.38 | neuterspay | means? |
| 06:34.48 | mhall | neuterspay: yeah; no need to install java funny |
| 06:34.50 | ke6isf | greenfly: It would be the configs that you had from when you compiled your own kernel. Unfortunately, not having compiled a successful kernel before, I wouldn't know where to look. |
| 06:34.56 | neuterspay | I mean, how do I make that an option in the ./azureus command? |
| 06:35.03 | neuterspay | Not even sure what ./ does and you can't google it. |
| 06:35.20 | mhall | neuterspay: get java-package package, make-jpkg on Sun's java 5 bin file |
| 06:35.37 | mhall | neuterspay: then dpkg -i the outputted deb to get a standard java setup |
| 06:35.50 | ke6isf | neuterspay: './', when placed before a command, tells the shell to execute the command in the present working directory. For instance, './foobar' would execute the script foobar as it exists in the pwd - or, if it doesn't exist, it will tell you. |
| 06:36.02 | mhall | neuterspay: get the jre or jdk from sun, *not* the rpm in bin file, just plain java in bin file |
| 06:36.07 | neuterspay | Crap so getting it from sun.com was a bad idea? Ohhh thanks ke6isf |
| 06:36.15 | mhall | neuterspay: no, you were half right |
| 06:36.16 | neuterspay | k |
| 06:36.28 | neuterspay | Thanks guys |
| 06:36.31 | mhall | neuterspay: it's just that you didn't know about the other step, running make-jpkg on it |
| 06:36.33 | ke6isf | !tell neuterspay -about java |
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| 06:36.37 | mhall | neuterspay: then installing the deb file |
| 06:36.44 | greennick | mhall: but since i have a working suse installation on a different partition on the same machine, do you think i could d/l the 2.6 installer .iso, copy it over to the new partition and mount/install it from there? |
| 06:36.48 | mhall | ke6isf: does the java factoid explain this procedure? |
| 06:36.49 | ke6isf | neuterspay: Follow the directions in the factoid that dpkg gave you. All of them. |
| 06:36.57 | ke6isf | mhall: Fairly sure it does. |
| 06:37.05 | mhall | greennick: er... hmm, don't have a cd drive? |
| 06:37.16 | mhall | greennick: we have a usb stick installer and floppy disks |
| 06:37.21 | greennick | mhall: correcto! that's the real bummer with the hp omnibook 900 laptop |
| 06:37.32 | ke6isf | mhall: Yes, it does. |
| 06:37.34 | greennick | mhall: if only i could find my usb sticks... |
| 06:37.36 | mhall | greennick: but usb stick probably wouldn't boot huh |
| 06:37.44 | mhall | greennick: bios is too old for it |
| 06:37.48 | greennick | mhall: nah, this stuff's too old...right |
| 06:37.52 | stew | do you have a dot-matrix printer and a punch card reader? |
| 06:37.57 | mhall | not ever a lot of new biosen will boot stick |
| 06:38.07 | greennick | mhall: but i'm already bootable in the new debian (sarge, 2.4) base system |
| 06:38.13 | ke6isf | mhall: It's kinda recursive, but the 'java' factoid is the beginning of the process. There are three or four related factoids. |
| 06:38.27 | mhall | greennick: so what's the matter with it |
| 06:38.30 | greennick | mhall: i succeeded with the 3-floppy install process, just have no ethernet to continue with apt....get it? |
| 06:38.32 | mhall | ke6isf: good enough |
| 06:38.46 | mhall | ke6isf: i'll redirect people to it and if they can't figure out i'll /ignore them |
| 06:38.54 | ke6isf | mhall: Fair enough. =^_^= |
| 06:39.01 | mhall | ke6isf: because i'm real tired of re-explaining |
| 06:39.02 | stew | greennick: do you have an ethernet card? which? |
| 06:39.14 | mhall | stew: one that's cardbus and not esp. supported |
| 06:39.21 | greennick | stew: card is 3com 656 cardbus pcmcia 10/100 ethernet |
| 06:39.22 | mhall | greennick: yeah believe me i'm sympathetic |
| 06:39.32 | mhall | greennick: i've had my share of laptop fuckups |
| 06:39.41 | greennick | mhall: and believe me, i'm very appreciative of yr help |
| 06:39.59 | mhall | greennick: alright, did you try having the driver floppy |
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| 06:40.09 | neuterspay | Only question I still have... where do I get the java-package package from? |
| 06:40.10 | mhall | greennick: it's supposed to have more stuff available driver-wise |
| 06:40.20 | greennick | mhall: this particular round of trouble is me attempting to switch over to debian because i'm tired of stuff that i just could never get to work under suse...and my newfound love for apt-get |
| 06:40.21 | stew | greennick: do you happen to know which kernel module might support your card? |
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| 06:40.25 | jm_ | neuterspay: read the topic |
| 06:40.26 | mhall | neuterspay: let's see, does your sources.list have main contrib and non-free |
| 06:40.34 | stew | neuterspay: contrib /msg dpkg contrib |
| 06:40.37 | greennick | mhall: yes, used the net-drivers floppy |
| 06:40.47 | stew | someone needs to rework the contrib factoid |
| 06:40.52 | stew | its horrible |
| 06:40.53 | mhall | greennick: shit that really should work, 3com cards are ubiquitous |
| 06:40.55 | greennick | stew: not 100% sure, but a good website lead tells me 3c59x |
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| 06:41.18 | mhall | greennick: did you try randomly inserting kernel modules yet? |
| 06:41.25 | greennick | mhall: tell me about it - i didn't expect this...but when it got to the apt configuration, it couldn't connect to any sites |
| 06:41.31 | stew | greennick: and have you tried modprobe 3c59x? |
| 06:41.32 | greennick | mhall: you betcha! |
| 06:42.02 | greennick | stew: i even got modprobe -l or whatever it was to show me that i had the module installed, but that it was assigned to nobody |
| 06:42.26 | stew | nobody? |
| 06:42.29 | stew | the bastards |
| 06:42.42 | mhall | greennick: that's really fucked up |
| 06:42.52 | greennick | mhall: this site started to make sense to me - http://www.scyld.com/vortex.html - where it talks about cardbus cards |
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| 06:43.17 | zinx | mhall: the shitty drivers require you to #define something to support cardbus cards, and when you do, it ceases to support PCI cards |
| 06:43.18 | greennick | mhall: told me i need to custom-compile the 3c59x driver with different pcmcia options (weird) |
| 06:43.55 | mhall | zinx: what in the hell is that about |
| 06:44.08 | mhall | zinx: cardbus and PCI are supposed to be compatible |
| 06:44.18 | mhall | zinx: and the connection is handled by the ACPI layer |
| 06:44.22 | zinx | mhall: probably some cracksmoking engineers |
| 06:44.30 | mhall | zinx: omfgwtfbbq!!!111!!11!1 |
| 06:44.42 | stew | i hear crack is great |
| 06:45.02 | stew | people who have tried it seem to like it |
| 06:45.17 | stew | a lot |
| 06:45.18 | ke6isf | stew: Yeah, but it makes 'em stupid. Not my kind of drug. |
| 06:45.38 | stew | ok nm |
| 06:45.39 | mhall | stew: haha |
| 06:45.52 | ke6isf | ...oy, my sense of humor is failing me too. |
| 06:46.03 | dondelelcaro | it's great fun to be hooped up on crank |
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| 06:46.35 | ke6isf | Is firefox 1.5 on the mirrors yet? |
| 06:46.59 | stew | ke6isf: /msg dpkg info firefox |
| 06:47.32 | ke6isf | stew: Thar she blows. Tempted to get it from the Sid mirror. |
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| 06:48.39 | RememberPOL | How do internet backbones on different continents maintain a state of connection? |
| 06:48.52 | zinx | "a state of connection"? |
| 06:48.58 | RememberPOL | Yes |
| 06:49.19 | mhall | ke6isf: I run experimental. |
| 06:49.20 | RememberPOL | How does my message travel from my computer to one in, say, China? |
| 06:49.27 | zinx | routing |
| 06:49.31 | zinx | there is no state maintained |
| 06:49.31 | RememberPOL | Are there thousands of miles of cabling running through the ocean? |
| 06:49.34 | mhall | RememberPOL: ok, you want to read about peering and the BGP protocol |
| 06:49.37 | zinx | RememberPOL: yes. |
| 06:49.41 | stew | with long wires? possibly made of non fish yummy fiber |
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| 06:49.56 | mhall | RememberPOL: and the transoceanic fibre optic cables, as well as communications satellites |
| 06:50.13 | mhall | RememberPOL: your best bet is browsing $LANG.wikipedia.org |
| 06:50.21 | stew | is it? |
| 06:50.56 | RememberPOL | Thanks. |
| 06:50.57 | mhall | stew: yeah they are pretty good at explaining the basics of protocols and telecom shit |
| 06:51.16 | mhall | stew: that's how i learned about how the tv satellites work and shit |
| 06:51.44 | sifi-x | where can I find ALL commands that could be used to the dpkg bot like: /lastlog, /msg dpkg <package>, /msg dpkg google <foo>, /msg dpkg <foo> ??? mhall stew |
| 06:52.28 | mhall | I use the Firefox 1.5 release on Debian and on Windows XP Home and Pro. I have noticed that, when the insertion point is resident in a one-line text widget (like a username field or search engine query field), the Ctrl-PgUp and Ctrl-PgDn hotkeys no longer switch browser tabs, but instead jump into the autocomplete responses cached for the widget in question. Why is this? |
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| 06:53.05 | stew | sifi-x: /msg dpkg help |
| 06:53.23 | RememberPOL | mhall: $LANG.wikipedia.org ? |
| 06:53.29 | RememberPOL | aka en.wikipedia.org ? |
| 06:53.40 | _Trintity_ | hi |
| 06:53.42 | _Trintity_ | hey have sane only running as root been fixed in testing? |
| 06:53.54 | RememberPOL | and, if I were you, how exactly would I go about searching for an answer to that question on wiki? |
| 06:53.54 | RememberPOL | heh |
| 06:54.15 | stew | sifi-x: _Trintity_ /msg dpkg bts |
| 06:55.43 | _Trintity_ | htanks |
| 06:55.52 | mhall | RememberPOL: well let me look |
| 06:55.57 | RememberPOL | k |
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| 06:56.30 | mhall | RememberPOL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_communications_cable |
| 06:56.47 | mhall | RememberPOL: that should get you started on the hardware and geographic part of the problem |
| 06:57.00 | mhall | RememberPOL: to learn about the software side start with BGP, border gateway protocol |
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| 06:57.10 | mhall | RememberPOL: and CIDR, classless interdomain routing |
| 06:57.30 | mhall | RememberPOL: those have to do with 1) how routers decide on routes and 2) how things are assigned working IP addresses |
| 06:57.38 | ke6isf | !tell sifi-x -about your factoids |
| 06:57.49 | mhall | ke6isf: what's with you always writing -about |
| 06:58.17 | ke6isf | mhall: The hyphen before 'about' suppresses the bot from echoing the factoid back in its entirety to the one who requested the !tell. |
| 06:58.28 | thompa | anybody use horde for email? |
| 06:58.46 | ke6isf | !anybody |
| 06:58.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 06:58.54 | thompa | i just learnedave it we h |
| 06:59.31 | RememberPOL | mhall: Thanks I wasn't looking for anything specific just an overall concept of how to get past the oceanic barrier |
| 07:00.18 | thompa | uh! trying to find me a solution to having mail on more than one box |
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| 07:00.57 | mhall | RememberPOL: well, go under it |
| 07:01.05 | mhall | RememberPOL: or go *way* over it |
| 07:01.36 | mhall | RememberPOL: so the other solution that's good for one-to-many signalling would be LEO satellites or geosynchronous satellites |
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| 07:01.56 | mhall | RememberPOL: geosynchs are used for GPS, satellite TV, and a whole shitload of other stuff |
| 07:02.00 | RememberPOL | ah |
| 07:02.11 | sifi-x | I could not find: info, google etc on /msg dpkg help |
| 07:02.15 | RememberPOL | are these in the stratosphere, or above that? |
| 07:02.18 | RememberPOL | aka, space |
| 07:02.20 | mhall | RememberPOL: international phone calls, ship communication, detecting emergency beacons, and stuff |
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| 07:02.38 | mhall | RememberPOL: yeah you're talking *very* far from earth to do a geosync |
| 07:02.52 | RememberPOL | but digital communications require a higher level of quality than those just listed |
| 07:03.10 | mhall | 42,000 kilometers |
| 07:03.16 | mhall | no that's not true |
| 07:03.21 | mhall | satellite TV is digital |
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| 07:03.28 | mhall | it's compressed with MPEG |
| 07:03.37 | thompa | !horde |
| 07:03.53 | grover | I'm running testing and I lost the black outline around windows when I alt-tab...anyone know how I can get it back? |
| 07:03.53 | RememberPOL | oh my bad |
| 07:04.22 | sifi-x | dpkg help does not show all commands, where can I find them |
| 07:05.03 | liable | !your factoids |
| 07:05.03 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 07:05.06 | mhall | the big reason for cable is more bandwidth and less latency |
| 07:05.09 | liable | sifi-x: ^^ |
| 07:05.30 | mhall | the downside to fiber cable is you can't have the model you have with TV: one satellite and thousands or millions of receivers |
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| 07:05.46 | mhall | and you can't get to places that don't have other 'last mile' broadband |
| 07:05.50 | int_21h | i have problem with my built in video card, the debian can't start my X,my mother board is a multi graphics and im using the built-in video |
| 07:05.56 | mhall | with satellite you can get to places that don't even have power |
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| 07:07.14 | sifi-x | liable, I dont want to know every single search query, just the commands one should know, like !your factoids =) |
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| 07:07.35 | jm_ | that is "search query" ... |
| 07:07.44 | liable | sifi-x: well, those cmds are in the database, grep CMD |
| 07:07.45 | jm_ | it's not a command |
| 07:08.02 | mhall | I use the Firefox 1.5 release on Debian and on Windows XP Home and Pro. I have noticed that, when the insertion point is resident in a one-line text widget (like a username field or search engine query field), the Ctrl-PgUp and Ctrl-PgDn hotkeys no longer switch browser tabs, but instead jump into the autocomplete responses cached for the widget in question. Why is this? |
| 07:08.16 | sifi-x | where did you guys learn the commands you send to dpkg? |
| 07:08.38 | liable | sifi-x: we spend too much time here.. |
| 07:08.50 | ke6isf | sifi-x: Lots of observation. Lots and LOTS of observation. |
| 07:09.26 | ke6isf | sifi-x: That, and playing with the bot. |
| 07:09.26 | sifi-x | liable, prolly yes, but there should be a newbie guide for dpkg, a better one then dpkg help cause that is missing a lot of good stuffs |
| 07:09.53 | jm_ | and I suppose someone *other than you* should write it for *you*? |
| 07:10.04 | liable | sifi-x: listkeys might help you.. |
| 07:10.57 | dondelelcaro | sifi-x: feel free to write one. |
| 07:10.58 | sifi-x | jm_, shut up ;) its a great idea |
| 07:11.01 | mhall | jm_: harsh |
| 07:11.04 | sifi-x | I will |
| 07:11.09 | jm_ | sifi-x: see what dondelelcaro said |
| 07:11.19 | sifi-x | jm_, see what I just said =) |
| 07:11.24 | mhall | jm_: problem: that's facts, not commands though |
| 07:11.46 | jm_ | mhall: ehh? I wasn't saying anything about either |
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| 07:12.04 | mhall | jm_: 23:07 < jm_> and I suppose someone *other than you* should write it for *you*? |
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| 07:12.17 | Error_404 | hey |
| 07:12.38 | jm_ | mhall: so? |
| 07:13.05 | sifi-x | Error_404, hi |
| 07:13.29 | mhall | jm_: i was just saying it was harsh ;-) |
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| 07:13.38 | mhall | jm_: unless i totally misunderstood it, hehe |
| 07:13.52 | jm_ | mhall: ohh no it was meant to sound that way |
| 07:15.10 | Error_404 | can someone answer a couple (probably dumb) questions for me? |
| 07:15.16 | mhall | jm_: ah ok |
| 07:15.30 | mhall | jm_: i thought you were asking him to write a tut on something he needs a tut for ;-) |
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| 07:15.56 | jm_ | mhall: yes, I am - that's how howtos usually start |
| 07:16.00 | mhall | jm_: which is kind of like telling people without a working web browser to fucking google it ;-) |
| 07:16.04 | Error_404 | why's my harddrive being accessed every 3 seconds? |
| 07:16.17 | jm_ | mhall: no it's not |
| 07:16.20 | Error_404 | it wasn't in any other distro... just debian |
| 07:16.22 | mhall | jm_: yeah but somebody probably needs to give him a list of stuff to trype in |
| 07:16.32 | mhall | jm_: or he won't know the other possibilities eh? |
| 07:16.37 | jm_ | Error_404: why does that bother you? |
| 07:16.50 | mhall | jm_: laptop hard disk perhaps; wastes power |
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| 07:17.22 | sifi-x | which kind of drives does laptops use? |
| 07:17.29 | liable | Error_404: famd? |
| 07:17.40 | dondelelcaro | sifi-x: depends on the laptop |
| 07:17.40 | Error_404 | because it's a laptop |
| 07:18.02 | mhall | liable: thought famd was supposed to use inotify() now |
| 07:18.08 | Error_404 | wastes power for one, increases the risk of headcrash for two |
| 07:18.12 | jm_ | read various laptop guides - some file systems (i.e. ext3) have tunable parameters to help with it, there was a good post about this on LKML from Andrew Morton] |
| 07:18.12 | sifi-x | dondelelcaro, yes, but say some Sony Vaio |
| 07:18.15 | mhall | liable: although most deb stock kernels probably do not have that |
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| 07:18.41 | mhall | sifi-x: try poking in /proc/ for ide info |
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| 07:18.57 | poonj | hey guys... |
| 07:18.58 | Error_404 | okay, it *is* ext3 |
| 07:19.06 | Error_404 | i'll read tune2fs manpage |
| 07:19.07 | sifi-x | mhall, good idea, I just dont have the laptop here right now |
| 07:19.14 | int_21h | i have problem with my built in video card, the debian can't start my X,my mother board is a multi graphics and im using the built-in video |
| 07:19.26 | Error_404 | question two: where's the wifi config junk where i can set my WEP key stored? |
| 07:19.27 | liable | Error_404: install laptop-mode-tools, and try mounting with noatime option. theres also noflushd. |
| 07:19.40 | jm_ | it's not tunable with tune2fs ;) |
| 07:19.58 | poonj | for some reason, when I boot up the computer, grub is giving me an error 17 when I boot up.. |
| 07:20.00 | Shadowcat | pfft ext3 |
| 07:20.03 | Shadowcat | reiser4 rules |
| 07:20.06 | poonj | anyone here know of a solution to that proble? |
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| 07:20.17 | poonj | error 17: partition isn't recognized by grub |
| 07:20.20 | mhall | sifi-x: ssh into it? |
| 07:20.26 | jm_ | poonj: so it isn't |
| 07:20.31 | zeballin3 | Anyone know why there is no /etc/kde3/kdm/Xserver in my sid version of debian? |
| 07:20.35 | poonj | so it isn't? |
| 07:20.36 | mhall | int_21h: how about some logs chief |
| 07:20.58 | sifi-x | mhall, its my friends, Using Wind0w$ |
| 07:21.07 | Error_404 | liable: noflushd? |
| 07:21.29 | liable | Error_404: yes. |
| 07:21.32 | mhall | poonj: yeah better paste your fdisk printout of your partition table into a paste bin |
| 07:21.43 | mhall | sifi-x: sisoft sandra lite is your friend |
| 07:21.45 | poonj | okat |
| 07:21.48 | poonj | so its a grub problem? |
| 07:21.50 | int_21h | mhall, i dont understand. pls |
| 07:22.12 | poonj | I don't understand how my partition tables could change... |
| 07:22.23 | sifi-x | mhall, is it like SANDRA standard? |
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| 07:23.08 | mhall | !tell int_21h about pls |
| 07:23.13 | mhall | poonj: what did you change |
| 07:23.17 | poonj | nothing |
| 07:23.19 | mhall | sifi-x: yeah except without charge |
| 07:23.25 | poonj | thats why I'm baffled |
| 07:23.26 | mhall | poonj: if nothing change it would still work |
| 07:23.31 | sifi-x | mhall, nice =) |
| 07:23.32 | poonj | thats why I'm baffled |
| 07:23.33 | poonj | heh |
| 07:24.16 | mhall | sifi-x: yes quite |
| 07:24.29 | Shadowcat | mhall: 150mb? |
| 07:24.39 | Shadowcat | when was the last time you upgraded? |
| 07:26.11 | int_21h | sorry the logs in the other machine, but i think the machine cant load the video because he confuse what graphics to use |
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| 07:26.50 | mhall | Shadowcat: well not often as it's a high rel system |
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| 07:27.05 | mhall | Shadowcat: so i make a point of minimal disruption and high uptime |
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| 07:27.15 | mhall | Shadowcat: average uptime between reboots is > 100 days |
| 07:27.21 | int_21h | mhall, can you tell me the command to reconfigure the driver to use |
| 07:27.22 | falkon | okay, I have a big problem here. What would cause the computer to suddenly stop unmounting the drives correctly on shutdown? |
| 07:27.32 | mhall | !tell int_21h about drxx |
| 07:27.39 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:27.49 | falkon | every time I shutdown now, I pretty much am guaranteed to be running fsck on startup |
| 07:27.55 | mhall | falkon: oof, init script got whacked perhaps |
| 07:27.58 | raf256[laptop] | falkon: what the error message? look into /var/log/messages syslog |
| 07:28.08 | sep | falkon, something is still uing it. ? service that isn't stopped |
| 07:28.13 | falkon | could me |
| 07:28.27 | falkon | I have to wait for fsck to finish |
| 07:28.35 | falkon | then I'll be able to see |
| 07:28.39 | mhall | sep: but... the processes eventually get hit with a SIGKILL |
| 07:28.40 | raf256[laptop] | how to distribute by close source (in your face Stallman ;) commercial program binnary for Debian? |
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| 07:28.52 | Shadowcat | heh closed source |
| 07:28.55 | Shadowcat | closed source == evil |
| 07:29.06 | raf256[laptop] | Shadowcat: lol |
| 07:29.20 | sifi-x | Open source = fast lane |
| 07:29.21 | falkon | mhall: I know it said something about /dev/hda5 superwrite time in future or something like that |
| 07:29.24 | raf256[laptop] | Shadowcat: why tit is evil |
| 07:29.34 | raf256[laptop] | it even |
| 07:29.54 | liable | boobs are *not* evil :) |
| 07:30.06 | raf256[laptop] | open source == live in parents basement eating pizza wareing Stallmans t-shirt =) for most programs |
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| 07:30.33 | raf256[laptop] | so, how to? |
| 07:30.51 | mhall | falkon: ah-ah |
| 07:30.56 | jm_ | ask close source authors for help then |
| 07:31.01 | mhall | falkon: there's the problem, your time zone shit is broken |
| 07:31.06 | mhall | falkon: is this a multi-os box |
| 07:31.10 | falkon | nope |
| 07:31.13 | falkon | deb only |
| 07:31.16 | mhall | falkon: first off tzconfig |
| 07:31.20 | raf256[laptop] | jm_: why, most of them dont provide debian versions. like 99,99% of them |
| 07:31.28 | mhall | falkon: then apt-get install ntpdate && ntpdate time.nist.gov |
| 07:31.33 | mhall | falkon: then hwclock --hctosys |
| 07:31.38 | Shadowcat | seriously though |
| 07:31.47 | raf256[laptop] | nptdate pool.ntp.org |
| 07:31.52 | Shadowcat | if Windows was open source, I could hunt down all the bugs in a bloody month |
| 07:31.54 | Shadowcat | but it isn't |
| 07:31.55 | mhall | raf256[laptop]: that works too |
| 07:32.02 | Shadowcat | instead we have to have Windows and its period every month |
| 07:32.08 | mhall | Shadowcat: yeah it is, there's shared source |
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| 07:32.16 | Shadowcat | mhall: that's not the same |
| 07:32.18 | mhall | Shadowcat: but then again the bugs can be profitable |
| 07:32.20 | raf256[laptop] | Shadowcat: |
| 07:32.33 | Shadowcat | I'd have to goto my professor, who'd have to goto the admin, who'd have to beg Microsoft |
| 07:32.33 | raf256[laptop] | Shadowcat: but then bill would be like x10000 less rich |
| 07:32.45 | Shadowcat | and maybe in two weeks I could get one header file to look at |
| 07:32.56 | falkon | mhall: this makes since, because I used the date command to set my time to an ntp server |
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| 07:33.01 | Shadowcat | beaurocracy alone would kill me |
| 07:33.03 | falkon | and it set it back |
| 07:33.13 | mhall | Shadowcat: i'm surviving in a pro-ms comp sci program with un*x |
| 07:33.22 | wtyler | `quit |
| 07:33.25 | Shadowcat | mhall: this place is pro solaris |
| 07:33.28 | raf256[laptop] | Shadowcat: opening source would make me jobless: no, thanks. |
| 07:33.28 | Shadowcat | which is pretty nice |
| 07:33.37 | mhall | Shadowcat: yeah solaris is not half bad |
| 07:33.41 | Shadowcat | raf256[laptop]: that seriously isn't my problem |
| 07:33.46 | raf256[laptop] | although perhaps one of my apps will be half-opened |
| 07:33.49 | mhall | Shadowcat: i'm really really good at bootstrapping GNU userspace onto it |
| 07:33.57 | raf256[laptop] | Shadowcat: that is the reason why it will be not OS |
| 07:34.03 | mhall | Shadowcat: i have perfect directions for how to do it right |
| 07:34.13 | Shadowcat | mhall: I run distcc on these boxes once in a while |
| 07:34.17 | falkon | i think we have sunOS 5.9 on the sunrays at school |
| 07:34.18 | mhall | Shadowcat: all i need is a gcc executable and a copy of libgcc.so |
| 07:34.21 | Shadowcat | I can finish a stage1 gentoo install in less than an hour |
| 07:34.25 | falkon | I think UAH lives int he past |
| 07:34.38 | Shadowcat | which is umm.. unheard of |
| 07:34.46 | Shadowcat | stage1, from bootstrapping to KDE |
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| 07:34.49 | mhall | Shadowcat: there is an opensource distro of the opensolaris kernel with linux userspace |
| 07:34.50 | Shadowcat | in less than an hour |
| 07:34.56 | Claudiu | hello |
| 07:35.01 | mhall | it's a really nice system for a preliminary setup |
| 07:35.07 | Claudiu | i am using debian/testing |
| 07:35.10 | Shadowcat | mhall: heh I'm more interested of using the raw power of about 40 sunblade 2500s |
| 07:35.12 | mhall | has the friendliness of linux with sun's superior sparc support |
| 07:35.23 | Shadowcat | I mean it's incredible |
| 07:35.28 | mhall | Shadowcat: yeah linux userspace is sometimes better because there are more tools |
| 07:35.29 | falkon | mhall: I ssh'd from the solaris computer to my servers and the terminal was all fuxored |
| 07:35.46 | mhall | falkon: yeah that's what sucks about solaris, the interface |
| 07:35.58 | Claudiu | i tried to install linuxDC++ but scons script says that i have gtk+ 2.0 only, and he needs 2.4 at least |
| 07:35.58 | falkon | CDE bits |
| 07:36.00 | Shadowcat | heh we run Sun Java Desktop System for Solaris here |
| 07:36.03 | mhall | falkon: but with linux userspace you don't have the bad console, the missing termcap stuff, etc. |
| 07:36.03 | falkon | bites too |
| 07:36.19 | mhall | falkon: oh and solaris doesn't let you have multiple text terms and X at the same time either |
| 07:36.19 | Shadowcat | at school is the only place I'd use Gnome |
| 07:36.29 | sifi-x | Claudiu, try dctc and dctcgui |
| 07:36.38 | falkon | mhall: it's something about size. I tried using xterm |
| 07:36.47 | mhall | Claudiu: yeah i haven't found a single decent linux dc client |
| 07:36.52 | Claudiu | well, i did, but i want tot try linuxdc++ |
| 07:36.57 | Claudiu | me eihter :( |
| 07:36.58 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 07:37.02 | Shadowcat | I run DC++ in wine |
| 07:37.04 | mhall | Claudiu: linux dc++ is compilable and works but it shares your entire homedir without asking |
| 07:37.05 | Shadowcat | works just fine |
| 07:37.14 | sep | raf256[laptop], distributing your own program can't be hard, build a binary package that works with debian and host it on your own server. provide links on web program distributed. |
| 07:37.20 | mhall | Claudiu: watch out for that, i had sensitive data shared for a couple hours because of it |
| 07:37.30 | mhall | Claudiu: luckily i noticed before anybody downloaded any |
| 07:37.34 | Shadowcat | hahaha |
| 07:37.37 | Shadowcat | mhall: liar |
| 07:37.42 | Shadowcat | I have your password file right here |
| 07:37.46 | Shadowcat | >:) |
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| 07:37.57 | mhall | Shadowcat: nope sorry, the hub was on 10.x.x.x |
| 07:37.59 | Claudiu | mhall: how did you make it run? |
| 07:38.12 | mhall | Claudiu: well i cranked through the build instructions and did what it said |
| 07:38.21 | Claudiu | mhall: thanks for the tip |
| 07:38.30 | mhall | Claudiu: but keep in mind i used sid + experimental so i had a lot of new shit available for it to use |
| 07:38.35 | Claudiu | mhall: well, i get gtk+ error any ideea? |
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| 07:38.40 | mhall | Claudiu: if you are a sarge user you might want to try backports |
| 07:38.44 | Shadowcat | mhall: heh you're like me then |
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| 07:38.46 | mhall | !tell Claudiu -about backports |
| 07:38.49 | Claudiu | i use testing |
| 07:38.53 | Shadowcat | I'm currently in Unstable |
| 07:38.58 | mhall | Shadowcat: yeah i fucking hate NAT |
| 07:39.20 | mhall | Shadowcat: i've never had a problem i couldn't solve, and all my real important shit's backed up onto dvd, email, etc |
| 07:39.21 | falkon | mhall: shit, still giving me problems |
| 07:39.31 | Claudiu | mhall: how can i see the verson of my gtk+? |
| 07:39.34 | raf256[laptop] | sep ok |
| 07:39.38 | Shadowcat | mhall: I have an svn server and my entire home dir svn'ed |
| 07:39.42 | sep | mhall, ipv6 removes the needs for that now donsn't it ? :) |
| 07:39.43 | falkon | mhall: Superblock last write time is in the future |
| 07:39.51 | raf256[laptop] | sep: what aboutr various libc versions and so on |
| 07:39.59 | mhall | falkon: maybe your clock chip is t3h b0rk3d? |
| 07:40.14 | falkon | nooooo |
| 07:40.24 | Claudiu | mhall: or force scons to use my current version? |
| 07:40.27 | mhall | sep: yeah it does, hope they deploy it ASAP |
| 07:40.31 | falkon | it says then inconsistency is in / |
| 07:40.35 | mhall | Claudiu: yeah, i wouldn't do that |
| 07:40.50 | mhall | falkon: wtf is the date according to 'date' versus what it really is |
| 07:40.57 | mhall | falkon: this really should not be fucking up |
| 07:41.07 | falkon | mhall: let me check the messages first |
| 07:41.12 | Claudiu | mhall: what gtk+ version is in unstable? |
| 07:41.13 | falkon | it could be something else |
| 07:41.21 | mhall | falkon: yeah maybe poke at /var/log/messages |
| 07:41.24 | mhall | Claudiu: let me see |
| 07:41.54 | Claudiu | mhall: pls tell me how do you check that |
| 07:42.12 | sep | falkon, motherboard battery giving out ? is the bios clock wrong when you poweron ? |
| 07:42.33 | falkon | sep: shouldn't be. This is on a laptop |
| 07:42.44 | wobbler | falkon: i think if you set fsck to autorepair it will be ok i had the same problem a few weeks ago after a upgrade |
| 07:43.01 | falkon | this does it EVERY TIME |
| 07:43.04 | mhall | Claudiu: ordinarily you ought to use packages.debian.org but right now it is broken |
| 07:43.05 | falkon | and it's really recent |
| 07:43.13 | falkon | and I need the fucking system for clas |
| 07:43.13 | Claudiu | mhall: i know |
| 07:43.28 | wobbler | falkon: and it will continue untill you fix it |
| 07:43.34 | Claudiu | mhall: i mean, how can I check the gtk+ version on my system? |
| 07:43.57 | grover | I'm running testing and I lost the black outline around windows when I alt-tab...anyone know how I can get it back? |
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| 07:46.03 | mhall | Claudiu: yeah hold on |
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| 07:47.58 | streuner_ | !info libgtk2.0-dev |
| 07:48.02 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-dev: (Development files for the GTK+ library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.8.9-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2207 kB, Installed size: 7984 kB |
| 07:48.13 | streuner_ | Claudiu: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 07:49.29 | Claudiu | 2.3.5-8 |
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| 07:49.47 | streuner_ | we need the whole output |
| 07:50.02 | Claudiu | well, i'm trough ssh with my pc at home |
| 07:50.17 | mhall | yeah... gtk 2.8 is new enough |
| 07:50.20 | mhall | it should just work |
| 07:50.28 | streuner_ | !info libgtk2.0-dev testing |
| 07:50.32 | mhall | do you have libgtk2.0-dev installed |
| 07:50.32 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-dev: (Development files for the GTK+ library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.8.9-2 (etch), Packaged size: 2207 kB, Installed size: 7984 kB |
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| 07:53.07 | PhorceP | I had an ipv6 tunnel configured on this box and all was well. Power failed and it rebooted, now it doesn't even look like ipv6 is installed (no /proc/net/if_inet6) What went wrong? |
| 07:53.33 | aizak | any release date set for etch ? |
| 07:53.47 | streuner_ | aizak: /msg dpkg wir |
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| 07:54.08 | jm_ | aizak: read DWN |
| 07:54.28 | omry | hi, I installed a new Etch (2.6.12), and I don't get any sound from alsa. (using audigy 2), I tried alsaconf, which does not report any errors, but there is still no sound. |
| 07:54.35 | mhall | streuner_: wwir? |
| 07:54.55 | Claudiu | well, on http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/ it says |
| 07:55.03 | Claudiu | libgtk2.0-0 (2.8.9-2) |
| 07:55.23 | Claudiu | butbut my scons see it like 2.0 |
| 07:55.28 | aizak | streuner_: being a 4 yr. debian user.. i always felt debian needed to change the wir approach .. i really hate it when i have to tell a newbie.. go and install fedora.. debian's latest stable release is old.. |
| 07:55.44 | mhall | aizak: that's only a recent problem |
| 07:55.57 | mhall | aizak: and we never profess to be a n00b distro either |
| 07:56.11 | mhall | aizak: on many of the debian lists, they ask n00bs to use ubuntu |
| 07:56.17 | dli | does azureus depend on eclipse ? |
| 07:56.25 | mhall | aizak: so you can't say that we lie about it either |
| 07:56.28 | mhall | dli: uh, no |
| 07:56.34 | streuner_ | dli: /msg dpkg depends azureus |
| 07:56.40 | Claudiu | dli: nope, i don't think so |
| 07:56.43 | aizak | mhall: u r right..:-) .. i wasn;t complaining.. only suggesting.. |
| 07:56.47 | dli | mhall, streuner_ sorry, wrong channel |
| 07:57.02 | mhall | aizak: well you are right to suggest it |
| 07:57.15 | mhall | aizak: and the project leader knows about the problem and got elected promising to fix it |
| 07:57.22 | Claudiu | mhall: what dc client are u using now? |
| 07:57.24 | mhall | aizak: the next release is scheduled for next year |
| 07:57.30 | mhall | Claudiu: none because they are all fucked |
| 07:57.39 | mhall | Claudiu: it's the one app i run on windows through vmware |
| 07:57.40 | Claudiu | mhall: lol |
| 07:57.41 | streuner_ | aizak: well, to tell you the truth, nobody can answer that question for a certain day. |
| 07:58.00 | mhall | Claudiu: along with office for dealing with occasional cock-up proprietary format problems |
| 07:58.23 | aizak | mhall: yeah.. i remember some mails like that during the election times.. but then.. i am only a user.. and have chosen to remain so.. so have no right to press on such issues more than a point |
| 07:58.25 | mhall | Claudiu: i suppose linux dc++ would work if you ran it from a dc-only user acct |
| 07:58.26 | Claudiu | mhall: i am forced to do that with office too, hope i can get it work with wine |
| 07:58.45 | mhall | Claudiu: use openoffice.org version 2 from backports |
| 07:58.52 | mhall | Claudiu: it works just right 99% of the time |
| 07:59.01 | Claudiu | backports works on testing too? |
| 07:59.04 | mhall | Claudiu: and it's really a lot better program than office |
| 07:59.10 | mhall | Claudiu: on testing you don't need it |
| 07:59.16 | mhall | Claudiu: testing already has oo version 2 |
| 07:59.22 | Claudiu | mhall: powerpoint is compatible? |
| 07:59.30 | Claudiu | mhall: lucky me i am on teting |
| 07:59.34 | Claudiu | *testing |
| 07:59.39 | mhall | Claudiu: yeah if you run ooimpress on the ppt file it should work fine |
| 07:59.52 | mhall | Claudiu: just try it and see if it works on your files |
| 07:59.52 | Claudiu | mhall: but if i want to create a new one? |
| 08:00.00 | Claudiu | mhall: oh, ok |
| 08:00.06 | Claudiu | mhall: :) |
| 08:00.09 | mhall | Claudiu: yeah it lets you make new ones but they don't ship it with many decorative templates |
| 08:00.11 | rage | Is anyone else having problems upgrading gnome-utils in sid? |
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| 08:00.27 | mhall | Claudiu: you can steal the templates from the rpms of staroffice though if you need more of them |
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| 08:00.37 | Claudiu | mhall: lol, thanks |
| 08:00.39 | mhall | Claudiu: or get a copy of staroffice to get more templates |
| 08:00.51 | mhall | Claudiu: yeah i've learned a lot of ooo tricks |
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| 08:00.57 | Claudiu | mhall: but i think staroffice is not open source, right? |
| 08:01.00 | mhall | Claudiu: i could tarball the templates for you if you want |
| 08:01.03 | rage | I'm getting "gnome-utils: Depends: libpanel-applet2-0 (>= 2.12.2) but 2.10.2-1 is to be installed" :-/ |
| 08:01.10 | mhall | Claudiu: the rpms are freely downloadable |
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| 08:01.43 | Claudiu | mhall: let me check |
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| 08:02.39 | Claudiu | mhall: hpw is the powerpoint equvalent on staroffice? |
| 08:02.49 | Claudiu | mhall: how it is called, i mean? |
| 08:03.43 | Claudiu | mhall: oh, found it, impress i think |
| 08:04.53 | Claudiu | mhall: still, i cannot found a link to the templates... |
| 08:05.39 | mhall | Claudiu: yeah with the templates, it only includes two |
| 08:05.47 | mhall | Claudiu: but i jacked more from the staroffice rpm files |
| 08:06.00 | mhall | Claudiu: i'll give you a tbz2 in a minute and tell you what to do |
| 08:06.11 | mhall | i'd been meaning to copy them to another one of my systems anyways |
| 08:06.16 | mhall | so we'll both benefit |
| 08:06.26 | Claudiu | ok, thanks |
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| 08:10.38 | mhall | Claudiu: almost got it |
| 08:10.55 | mhall | Claudiu: untar it from / and they will go to the right dir |
| 08:11.04 | Claudiu | ok |
| 08:11.53 | Claudiu | mhall: i can handle rpm, if not, there's alwyas alien :) |
| 08:12.09 | mhall | Claudiu: |
| 08:12.36 | mhall | Claudiu: yeah i used alien to convert the rpm of impress into a tgz, then extracted the tgz to get the shit i wanted |
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| 08:13.18 | Claudiu | mhall: got them, thank you |
| 08:14.37 | Claudiu | mhall: i can hardly wait to make a presentation in Oo2 and then run it in Office, to see how it does. I wasn't satisfied with the oo1 version though... |
| 08:14.55 | mhall | Claudiu: yeah version 2 is far superior |
| 08:15.09 | mhall | Claudiu: also please not that ooo 2 has a one-click pdf export |
| 08:15.16 | Claudiu | nice thing! |
| 08:15.22 | mhall | Claudiu: and a save as pdf export with options to compress the gfx less |
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| 08:15.43 | mhall | Claudiu: a presentation in this form will always look like you wanted with no player needed and nice quality |
| 08:15.50 | mhall | Claudiu: unless you need cheesy transitions / sound |
| 08:16.34 | Claudiu | say, make it with impress and export as pdf? |
| 08:16.41 | mhall | Claudiu: right |
| 08:16.46 | mhall | Claudiu: then it always works |
| 08:17.00 | Claudiu | mhall: i thought at that before, but never tried |
| 08:17.06 | mhall | Claudiu: but i used the PPT export on my statistics presentation full of complex content |
| 08:17.14 | mhall | Claudiu: and it worked in PPT 2003 just fine |
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| 08:17.42 | Claudiu | mhall: i will try it both way |
| 08:17.50 | Claudiu | but pdf seems more interesting |
| 08:17.51 | dimir | !nickometer JR_____ |
| 08:17.53 | dpkg | 'JR_____' is 99.9131% lame, dimir |
| 08:17.58 | mhall | !tell Claudiu about marillat |
| 08:18.11 | mhall | Claudiu: marillat's archive contains a linux version of the official MS PPT viewer |
| 08:18.16 | mhall | Claudiu: the ultimate testing tool |
| 08:18.33 | Claudiu | mhall: this will save me many reboots! |
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| 08:18.44 | Claudiu | mhall: and i see mplayer too... nice!... |
| 08:19.05 | mhall | Claudiu: yeah marillat contains a lot of toys, it also has a deb of the official adobe acroread |
| 08:19.11 | mhall | Claudiu: which will also help you out |
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| 08:19.40 | mhall | so now i've let you in on some of my valuable office workarounds |
| 08:19.41 | mhall | hehehe |
| 08:19.55 | Claudiu | mhall: :) thank you |
| 08:19.58 | mhall | it took me a while to figure em out so i figure i'll pass it on |
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| 08:20.42 | Luftzig | I'm looking for a command line based or a very lightwieght graphical p2p client. anyone knows one? |
| 08:21.08 | Claudiu | Luftzig: well, there's always microdc, but... |
| 08:21.28 | Claudiu | Luftzig: or ctrorrent, works great |
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| 08:21.44 | Luftzig | Claudiu, I'll check them |
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| 08:21.51 | Luftzig | Claudiu, thanks |
| 08:22.02 | Claudiu | Luftzig: microdc is a pain in the ass though... |
| 08:23.02 | mhall | Luftzig: what about btdownloadcurses.py |
| 08:23.04 | Claudiu | Luftzig: for what network do you need it? |
| 08:23.17 | mhall | the canonical high quality multiplatform protocol is bittorrent |
| 08:23.47 | Claudiu | mhall: the official one? |
| 08:24.14 | Luftzig | Claudiu, I don't care that much, I mainly looking for something which will not choke my old box |
| 08:24.44 | Claudiu | mhall: no, i mean btdownloadcurses is the official torrent client? |
| 08:24.51 | Luftzig | mhall, Ill look into this one to. I like python scripts :) |
| 08:25.12 | mhall | Claudiu: yeah it's the official client |
| 08:25.16 | KarmaPolice | i have a silly question for you guys.. what is the ^R , ^O , ^A , etc.. means in text editing ? |
| 08:25.18 | mhall | and it works really well |
| 08:25.38 | mhall | Luftzig: yeah just open up some xterms... xterm -bg black -fg white and go to town |
| 08:25.44 | Claudiu | mhall: couriusly, i never used it... hm... |
| 08:25.58 | mhall | Claudiu: yeah if you can run azureus OK why bother |
| 08:26.16 | Claudiu | mhall: i can run azureus, but... it costs me... |
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| 08:26.30 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:26.30 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 08:27.27 | Claudiu | mhall: are you an old debian user? |
| 08:27.39 | tarzeau | Claudiu: why does his age matter? |
| 08:27.58 | Claudiu | mhall: not the age og you, i mean how long are you using debian? |
| 08:28.14 | deadcat | anyone know how to just print the direction side of google map? |
| 08:28.20 | deadcat | not the map. |
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| 08:29.15 | oskie | how do you install debian (sarge) from USB floppy? I can boot from a boot floppy but it won't load the root floppy (floppy not found)... |
| 08:29.26 | oskie | and what happened to the linux26 option? |
| 08:29.33 | Claudiu | deadcat: you can always take screenshot and then use gimp to cut? |
| 08:29.39 | Luftzig | thanks to you all |
| 08:29.44 | deadcat | Claudiu: just want the text. (= |
| 08:30.02 | deadcat | i doubt no one complain about that (= |
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| 08:30.10 | Claudiu | :) |
| 08:30.43 | liable | oskie: bad floppy? no 2.6 kernel for the floppies. |
| 08:31.02 | traian | i have a kde 3.5 |
| 08:31.12 | traian | and when i want to log in with kdm it only loads a console |
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| 08:31.20 | oskie | liable: ah ok...well i'll have to try usb cdrom install then... or usb memory stick |
| 08:31.34 | Claudiu | traian: how did you get kde 3.5? |
| 08:31.51 | liable | oskie: you got a linux system on there already? |
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| 08:32.08 | traian | it doesn't matter cause i had the same problem with the old one as well |
| 08:32.22 | traian | this problem appeared when i ran out of disk space some while ago |
| 08:32.30 | traian | i can log with wdm and xdm |
| 08:32.41 | traian | and log with kdm with a different user |
| 08:32.53 | buu | So, wise masterful debianites, is there any good/easy/clean/etc way to take testing down to stable? |
| 08:32.55 | raf256 | !amd64 |
| 08:32.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 08:32.56 | traian | but not with my old one as i said |
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| 08:33.05 | deadcat | Claudiu: fuck google. i just copy the text and lpr the shit |
| 08:33.08 | mhall | Claudiu: yeah i've used Debian since 1998 |
| 08:33.28 | mhall | Claudiu: i'm a hardcore prgamatist and tend to find ways to hack through limitations and get my shit done PDQ |
| 08:33.39 | mhall | Claudiu: i'm more of a user's user than a developer or coder type |
| 08:33.48 | Claudiu | mhall: i've been using slackware for a time |
| 08:33.57 | buu | Less dick waving, more answering questions |
| 08:34.03 | mhall | deadcat: hmm how about selecting the directions with the mouse and using firefox print selection option |
| 08:34.05 | Claudiu | mhal: but i am just a user, so... a was attracted to debain |
| 08:34.08 | Claudiu | *debian |
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| 08:34.26 | gnube | buu, Yeah, that will surely get your question answered. |
| 08:34.33 | mhall | deadcat: also try the print friendly view, then select the text, then do the print job, to be precise about how to get good results |
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| 08:34.58 | Claudiu | buu: pardon? |
| 08:35.14 | mhall | oskie: please try http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/floppy/ |
| 08:35.38 | buu | gnube: Obviously it was well on the way to being answered. |
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| 08:35.50 | buu | Claudiu: Do *you |
| 08:35.50 | oskie | mhall: are those 2.6? do they support USB floppy drives? |
| 08:35.54 | buu | Claudiu: Do *you* know how to solve this? |
| 08:36.01 | gnube | buu, Surely not. |
| 08:36.03 | liable | buu: no, /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 08:36.07 | mhall | buu: dude, i've been helping people in here since 1998 and used to be a chanop |
| 08:36.08 | buu | Woohoo |
| 08:36.16 | Claudiu | buu: solve what? |
| 08:36.18 | mhall | buu: and you're just a fucking whiner. pack it in |
| 08:36.27 | buu | mhall: You're a little over sensitive aren't you? |
| 08:36.32 | mhall | oskie: those are built daily for unstable with the latest shit |
| 08:36.35 | buu | Claudiu: I think dpkg is solving my problems, thanks. |
| 08:36.40 | mhall | buu: why should i have to listen to your shit? |
| 08:36.48 | oskie | mhall: ok.. another problem seems to be that the server freezes after 1 min... I'm hoping 2.6 will fix that... but for now I'll try a USB cdrom drive |
| 08:37.15 | mhall | oskie: oof! that's not esp. good |
| 08:37.24 | streuner_ | oskie: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/build_floppy_boot.log |
| 08:37.31 | mhall | oskie: have you considered memtest86ing it and cpuburning it to see what's up |
| 08:37.42 | matrix | somebody have a motherboard DFI? |
| 08:37.43 | streuner_ | according to that log it should be 2.4.27 |
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| 08:38.11 | mhall | oskie: sorry to say it appears not to be 2.6 |
| 08:38.30 | mhall | probably somebody needs to make an embedded sys config of 2.6 that fits onto a floppy |
| 08:38.34 | mhall | and it hasn't been done yet |
| 08:38.40 | mhall | can you network boot |
| 08:38.43 | liable | 2.6 is too big for floppies i think. |
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| 08:38.57 | gb | mm |
| 08:39.11 | mhall | liable: note what i said |
| 08:39.18 | mhall | liable: *embedded sys configuration* |
| 08:39.34 | buu | Hrm. Is it possible to boot debian-stable install off the hard drive? |
| 08:39.40 | mhall | !zoosmite liable |
| 08:39.40 | dpkg | Fuck, fuck, fuck a duck; screw a kangaroo! Finger-bang an orangutan-- God, liable loves the zoo! |
| 08:40.11 | liable | buu: yes, just get the kernel and initrd |
| 08:40.13 | streuner_ | you usually need 2.6 for newer hardware, and those hardware have CDROM's. |
| 08:40.16 | buu | As in, I'm running testing, I'd like to install testing without burning a cd and so forth.. |
| 08:40.23 | buu | liable: Yeah? And do what with it/ |
| 08:40.35 | liable | buu: boot from it.. |
| 08:40.36 | buu | Install stable, I mean. |
| 08:40.43 | buu | liable: Happen to have any instructions on this/ |
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| 08:41.13 | gb | Can sumone with the relevant privledges kick/ban the ComPuTeR & fantasy spambots please |
| 08:41.39 | liable | buu: its actually for windows, but just taylor to suit.. http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html |
| 08:41.50 | streuner_ | gb: read what freenode said about |
| 08:41.59 | streuner_ | gb: /msg dpkg spambots |
| 08:42.00 | buu | liable: Thanks. |
| 08:42.36 | liable | np |
| 08:42.40 | gb | streuner_: this is the only channel I've seen them on |
| 08:42.54 | gb | but if theres nothing doing fine bye |
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| 08:44.26 | rovragge | name a good linux based live cd for windows xp recovery and backup (ntfs support, cd burning) |
| 08:44.43 | gnube | try knoppix |
| 08:45.06 | liable | what do i win? |
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| 08:45.31 | streuner_ | hehe, it sounds to me like a quiz too :-) |
| 08:45.33 | mhall | dondelelcaro: :-) |
| 08:45.49 | mhall | dondelelcaro: shouldn't it be the server admin that knows better |
| 08:45.58 | mhall | rovragge: you might be better off with bartpe |
| 08:46.06 | buu | liable: I don't suppose you could point me and the neccessary debian specific kernel/initrd bits? This page is only talking about windows and such.. |
| 08:46.08 | mhall | rovragge: because you get more power over the NTFS |
| 08:46.36 | liable | buu: go to the debian bit. (be carefuls, i think its the etch kernel it links to now though) |
| 08:46.41 | rovragge | mhall: does bartpe have cd burner? |
| 08:46.48 | liable | s/carefuls/carefull |
| 08:46.56 | buu | liable: Oh, heh. Debian Sarge? |
| 08:47.05 | liable | yerp |
| 08:47.14 | buu | Sorry, is sarge.. stable or testing? |
| 08:47.26 | gnube | sarge is stable |
| 08:47.31 | streuner_ | !sarge |
| 08:47.31 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 08:47.32 | gnube | etch is testing |
| 08:47.44 | liable | buu: maybe i am mistaken, and it doesnt link to the etch kernel.. |
| 08:47.55 | buu | liable: Well, it seems to be sarge. |
| 08:48.10 | gnube | liable, What he wants is to downgrade from etch to sarge. |
| 08:48.23 | buu | gnube: Well, I'm going with reinstalling debian |
| 08:48.34 | liable | gnube: thankyou, i am aware of that. |
| 08:48.36 | buu | It sounded.. considerably less painful. And I've never done it before. |
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| 08:48.43 | fireba11 | gnube: no real save way to do that .. reinstalling is usually faster |
| 08:48.48 | gnube | liable, Then why are you telling him to install etch? |
| 08:49.00 | gnube | fireba11, That is what I thought. |
| 08:49.03 | liable | gnube: either read the whole convo or stfu |
| 08:49.04 | gnube | thanks |
| 08:49.16 | gnube | liable, Oh you are so charming. |
| 08:49.31 | buu | He can be as insulting as he wants as long as he helps me! |
| 08:49.40 | fireba11 | buu *g* |
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| 08:49.45 | gnube | two sociopaths, perfect. |
| 08:49.48 | buu | Heh, maybe now I can plug in my last hard drive. |
| 08:50.06 | streuner_ | buu: nobody insulted you |
| 08:50.13 | buu | streuner_: Never said he did. |
| 08:50.18 | streuner_ | i know |
| 08:50.26 | buu | Oh god, I know where this conversation is going |
| 08:50.37 | mhall | rovragge: of course it can burn cds if you install a burning plugin |
| 08:50.39 | buu | streuner_: I love you, will you marry me? |
| 08:50.49 | mhall | rovragge: you can even get something hardcore like nero or cdrwin or ... |
| 08:51.05 | streuner_ | buu: don't make me to insult you! |
| 08:51.13 | gnube | do it! |
| 08:51.15 | gnube | do it! |
| 08:51.20 | fireba11 | buu well .. the bottom line is ... moving from etch to sarge is easiest if you just abckup configs and user datan and reinstall ... that's usually pretty painless and fast |
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| 08:51.48 | gnube | fireba11, even using dpkg downgrade doesn't really help right? |
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| 08:52.02 | jazzka | I have some laTEX documents, which program do I need to easily convert them to PDF ? |
| 08:52.06 | gnube | since it can't keep track of dependencies properly? |
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| 08:52.29 | fireba11 | gnube: never tried .. but heard a couple ppl complaining about problems here .. but downgrading is never really covered by software design so ... |
| 08:52.58 | buu | gnube: Well, I read some of the instructions, I think the third paragraph started off "WARNING, YOU ARE GOING TO DIE IF YOU ATTEMPT THIS", so I stopped reading. |
| 08:53.30 | gnube | Yeah the man pages sort of are a little harsh in that regard. |
| 08:53.31 | mhall | buu: lol what's the link to this, i wanna see |
| 08:53.53 | gnube | mhall, I think he means man dpkg if I am not mistaken. |
| 08:53.55 | buu | So, anyway, it tells me I need a 'vmlinuz' kernel bit, is 'linux' going to be the same thing? |
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| 08:54.00 | mhall | gnube: hmm |
| 08:54.12 | buu | Er, no, I was exagerating the downgrade instructions dpkg the bot gives you. |
| 08:54.20 | mhall | !tell me about downgrade |
| 08:54.24 | gnube | buu, What is telling you that? The sarge installer? |
| 08:54.30 | liable | buu: no, vmlinuz is... |
| 08:54.59 | streuner_ | a different filename |
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| 08:55.02 | streuner_ | not more |
| 08:55.29 | buu | gnube: No, the instructions for hd booting. |
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| 08:55.52 | buu | streuner_: So linux == vmlinuz, right? |
| 08:56.03 | streuner_ | yep |
| 08:56.06 | liable | yes, get that and initrd |
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| 08:56.13 | asuffield | the thing about downgrading is that there's no serious attempt made to support it, and it varies depending on the package |
| 08:56.14 | streuner_ | buu: vice versa |
| 08:56.23 | buu | streuner_: Er, whatever. |
| 08:56.24 | asuffield | lots of packages, you can get away with it. some break disasterously |
| 08:56.36 | asuffield | some appear to work, but then the application actually doesn't work afterwards |
| 08:56.37 | streuner_ | buu: vmlinuz is the kernel (linux) |
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| 08:57.05 | asuffield | so the question becomes... do you know what *this* package is going to do, and do you want to find out on this box? |
| 08:57.26 | asuffield | because odds are nobody's tested it before |
| 08:57.26 | zdux0012_ | is ubuntu GNU? |
| 08:57.30 | buu | streuner_: So why does it call it 'linux' here? |
| 08:57.31 | liable | buu: make sure you find out the right ramdisk size |
| 08:57.38 | buu | liable: oh god. |
| 08:57.38 | streuner_ | zdux0012_: #ubuntu |
| 08:57.52 | liable | buu: some distros still call it linux (gentoo iirc) |
| 08:57.58 | zdux0012_ | I just thought you might know,, |
| 08:58.11 | buu | liable: I'm on the debian mirror! |
| 08:58.12 | liable | buu: easily found with google |
| 08:58.20 | buu | liable: Google is a tad painful at the moment. |
| 08:58.28 | zdux0012_ | actually I was hoping to ask someone for help getting a video capture card to work |
| 08:58.39 | streuner_ | zdux0012_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 08:58.59 | liable | buu: you'll live. |
| 08:59.13 | buu | liable: It's possible. I'll let you know after the reboot. |
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| 08:59.32 | seeeS | Linux is the OS, GNU is the core tools |
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| 08:59.58 | buu | liable: initrd=debian-installer/i386/2.6 |
| 09:00.01 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:00.09 | buu | Is that what I want/ |
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| 09:01.35 | buu | So, erm, do I just need to point my lilo at the initrd/linux bits and reboot? |
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| 09:01.51 | liable | buu: i think its actually around 12000 but i cant remember where i found that info |
| 09:01.53 | asuffield | or in a slightly more practical version, linux is the kernel, GNU is the project where tools go when nobody wants to maintain them any more |
| 09:01.56 | liable | buu: yes |
| 09:02.18 | liable | buu: stick the images in boot, and tell lilo about them |
| 09:02.22 | zdux0012_ | strunner: dpkg says: ii libc6 2.3.5-1ubuntu12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
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| 09:02.22 | zdux0012_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:02.42 | streuner_ | hm |
| 09:02.51 | buu | liable: Well, that was the one from the netboot/debian-installer/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default |
| 09:02.57 | mhall | asuffield: i like that statement but what about tools like GCC |
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| 09:03.11 | mhall | asuffield: seems like they don't really fit that generalization |
| 09:03.11 | asuffield | mhall: well, it was only *slightly* more practical |
| 09:03.12 | streuner_ | zdux0012_: and why do you ask in #debian then? |
| 09:03.15 | liable | buu: for the 2.6 or 2.4?? |
| 09:03.18 | asuffield | most of them do though |
| 09:03.19 | buu | liable: 2.6 |
| 09:03.23 | seeeS | who would want to maintain gcc? |
| 09:03.26 | buu | I think |
| 09:03.30 | mhall | asuffield: i agree they do have a hold of a lot of abandonware |
| 09:03.33 | asuffield | seeeS: fair point |
| 09:03.40 | asuffield | mhall: like tar |
| 09:03.42 | mhall | seeeS: lol true |
| 09:03.48 | mhall | asuffield: yeah and gzip |
| 09:03.58 | mhall | asuffield: it has no bugs left so nobody wants to fuck with it |
| 09:04.02 | zdux0012_ | streuner: I asked in ubuntu but no one there seemed familiar with this, it could be that I have an unusual problem |
| 09:04.04 | seeeS | are they not maintained? do you mean no DD or upstream? |
| 09:04.16 | mhall | seeeS: look at how much time goes between versions |
| 09:04.30 | streuner_ | !they don't know |
| 09:04.30 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 09:04.32 | asuffield | seeeS: I believe Debian has had the same upstream version of tar *forever* |
| 09:04.33 | buu | liable: Do I need to unzip the initrd.gz bit? |
| 09:04.37 | mhall | seeeS: they just don't change much because it does all it needs to do and all the bugs are already patched |
| 09:04.50 | liable | buu: no |
| 09:04.54 | asuffield | well, tar's actually buggy shit, upstream's just dead |
| 09:04.55 | seeeS | asuffield: there was the bzip conversion, i do recall that was not there before |
| 09:04.58 | mhall | seeeS: if tar was fucked up *at all* somebody would have noticed and fixed it already |
| 09:05.01 | zdux0012_ | dpkg: when you say us to who are you refering to |
| 09:05.01 | dpkg | zdux0012_: I think you lost me on that one |
| 09:05.05 | mhall | asuffield: hmm, it never breaks for me |
| 09:05.09 | mhall | asuffield: what's wrong with it |
| 09:05.09 | streuner_ | zdux0012_: just install debian (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 09:05.12 | asuffield | seeeS: the Debian maintainer applies patches |
| 09:05.16 | seeeS | ah |
| 09:05.17 | buu | liable: Oh, whups. |
| 09:05.18 | asuffield | mhall: it has serious trouble unpacking tarballs that it didn't create |
| 09:05.25 | asuffield | mhall: and similar stuff |
| 09:05.35 | seeeS | still, if you ever used solaris tarm gnu tar is not too bad |
| 09:05.39 | mhall | asuffield: hmm, it always managed to extract solaris ones for me |
| 09:05.56 | mhall | asuffield: but solaris can't extract gnu of course because solaris is real stupid about pathname length limits |
| 09:05.58 | asuffield | mhall: depends on the details of what you put in them |
| 09:06.13 | mhall | asuffield: like if they are weird non-file non-dir stuff, etc? |
| 09:06.24 | asuffield | and various filename corner cases |
| 09:06.26 | buu | liable: Hrm, if I just run 'lilo' it tells me "Added linux *", do I need to do anything more specific/ |
| 09:06.30 | zdux0012_ | I think the attitude is wrong, I am just asking for help |
| 09:06.34 | liable | buu: i think you want the hd-media images. |
| 09:06.45 | buu | liable: Well, we'll find out |
| 09:06.55 | asuffield | #282116: tar: bz2 output to stdout contains trailing garbage |
| 09:06.55 | liable | buu: i havent done it with lilo, but i think you should be good. try it |
| 09:06.59 | asuffield | oh this one sounds interesting |
| 09:07.01 | buu | liable: The distro specific bits mentioned installing primarily off the internet. |
| 09:07.09 | buu | (With net-install I mean) |
| 09:07.11 | buu | Ok, well, here we go. |
| 09:07.18 | streuner_ | buu: always use '-v' with lilo |
| 09:07.23 | seeeS | zdux0012_: you're asking for help about ubuntu on a Debian channel |
| 09:07.27 | streuner_ | not only 'lilo' |
| 09:07.29 | oskie | ok, I need a "Fusion MPT SPI" driver (mptspi) which the sarge CD doesn't provide. What are my options here? |
| 09:07.32 | seeeS | that's the problem |
| 09:07.44 | asuffield | zdux0012_: you've been helped. you've been told the right place to ask your question |
| 09:07.56 | mhall | asuffield: weird |
| 09:08.01 | seeeS | oskie: most likely, good around for someone who was annoyed enough to do a custom CD |
| 09:08.02 | mhall | _rene_: greetings |
| 09:08.02 | buu | streuner_: Oh, it doesn't seem to see it. |
| 09:08.07 | seeeS | google around even |
| 09:08.08 | buu | streuner_: Mind telling me what I need to do to add it? |
| 09:08.41 | mhall | _rene_: i wanted to ask if you knew of a source for ooo 2 impress templates since it only ships with two? i got some more from staroffice but you can never have enough presentation templates though |
| 09:08.42 | oskie | seeeS: I can do a custom CD... |
| 09:08.43 | seeeS | frigging ubuntu with their "just annoy upstream" ``help'' |
| 09:08.47 | Claudiu | well, that debian is so easy to use... i just installed and put up a http server trough ssh... i am really amazed by that |
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| 09:09.18 | seeeS | oskie: well it is just a matter of gettnig that driver into the kernel on the install disk then |
| 09:09.42 | asuffield | oskie: the other (potentially easier) method is to netboot it, if you can |
| 09:09.45 | seeeS | oskie: that assuming you know how to make a custom CD iso, its not a trivial thing todo |
| 09:09.54 | seeeS | netboot? i never though of that |
| 09:09.58 | asuffield | since then you just replace the kernel image in the netboot files with your own one |
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| 09:10.09 | Claudiu | still... i have 6 porcess running named apache |
| 09:10.10 | asuffield | avoids having to mess around mastering a CD |
| 09:10.13 | Claudiu | is that normal? |
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| 09:10.22 | asuffield | Claudiu: yes |
| 09:10.30 | buu | Oh dear god lilo is scary. |
| 09:10.52 | EleckttrusS | i dont like lili is very old! |
| 09:10.57 | liable | buu: put the images in boot, edit lilo conf and run lilo, should be all you need to do. |
| 09:11.01 | Claudiu | asuffield: oh, ok, i got scary for a sec |
| 09:11.28 | oskie | asuffield: it's booted alright... i just can't find the SCSI controller or hdd |
| 09:11.32 | buu | liable: Oh. I see now. |
| 09:11.41 | mhall | Claudiu: yes it is unless you are using apache 2 with threads instead of forked demons |
| 09:11.41 | streuner_ | buu: so its PXE, right? |
| 09:11.46 | oskie | asuffield: so I need to get 2.6.8 kernel sources and try to build that module? |
| 09:11.50 | buu | streuner_: Um. No idea, sorry. |
| 09:11.54 | mhall | Claudiu: which the vast majority of people wouldn't be doing |
| 09:11.56 | asuffield | oskie: yeah, but now you have to replace the pesky image, and it's easier to do that when netbooting than it is to build a custom CD |
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| 09:11.59 | Claudiu | when i want to restart the apache daemon, i just use 'apache' without any argument? in freeBSD, it was httpd -restart, if i am not mistaken |
| 09:12.04 | streuner_ | <buu> liable: Well, that was the one from the netboot/debian-installer/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default |
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| 09:12.06 | asuffield | oskie: so if you can, you might want to do it that way |
| 09:12.40 | oskie | asuffield: i only hope 2.6.8 has support for MPT SPI...:( I'll check that now |
| 09:12.41 | streuner_ | !pxe |
| 09:12.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, pxe is a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php |
| 09:13.59 | buu | streuner_: Well, I downloaded the linux/initrd from the folder under the i386 bits, so, sure/ |
| 09:14.35 | buu | Hrm. I notice in my lilo.conf it specifies images as /vmlinuz, but mine are in boot. Is there anything wrong with specifying /boot/newvmlinuzhere ? |
| 09:14.38 | mhall | *ack* cheesy infomercial came on *gasp* |
| 09:15.05 | liable | buu: thats normally a symlink |
| 09:15.13 | oskie | heh.. bad day today.. make menuconfig fails (compiler error) |
| 09:15.17 | liable | buu: ls -l / |
| 09:15.29 | buu | liable: Sure, but any problem with specifying /boot/x? |
| 09:15.42 | liable | buu: no |
| 09:15.51 | oskie | ok, confirmed: 2.6.8 doesn't contain mptspi... is there any debian netinst with kernel > 2.6.8? |
| 09:16.20 | buu | Wooho, ok, lilo sees my images and ran fine. |
| 09:16.30 | buu | liable: What was I supposed to do with that ramdisk business? |
| 09:16.46 | liable | buu: read the bloody page i gave you. |
| 09:16.55 | buu | =[ |
| 09:17.22 | liable | buu: just give the stuff as a kernel option. |
| 09:18.10 | buu | liable: I'll do that just as soon as I figure out how. Is that in the lilo.conf as well? |
| 09:18.21 | streuner_ | oskie: newer etch installer use 2.6.12 AFAIK |
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| 09:18.34 | Claudiu | when i want to restart the apache daemon, i just use 'apache' without any argument? in freeBSD, it was httpd -restart, if i am not mistaken |
| 09:18.40 | streuner_ | oskie: just ask in #debian-boot |
| 09:19.04 | buu | Claudiu: apachectl restart.. |
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| 09:19.21 | Claudiu | buu: thank you |
| 09:19.33 | seeeS | restart or reload? |
| 09:19.43 | liable | buu: after the image= bit (once again i havent done it with lilo, actually trying it now) |
| 09:19.49 | Claudiu | seeeS: what's the diff? |
| 09:20.21 | buu | liable: Sure, why not. |
| 09:21.11 | liable | buu: hrm, doesnt like ramdisk size option.. |
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| 09:22.00 | buu | Yeah |
| 09:22.44 | liable | heh, doesnt like any of that shit :P |
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| 09:22.58 | seeeS | restart stops and starts it |
| 09:22.58 | buu | I'm sure it's not really important anyway. |
| 09:23.04 | seeeS | reload just reloads the config |
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| 09:23.19 | seeeS | generally, reload when you can, restart when you have to |
| 09:23.50 | seeeS | oh i so like this new computer, all my xterms disappeared |
| 09:24.11 | buu | I wonder what will happen if I reboot without it? |
| 09:24.14 | buu | Let's find out. |
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| 09:34.19 | RichiH | felipe_: 776 |
| 09:34.34 | _SerhaT_ | 775 here? |
| 09:34.51 | felipe_ | wow... im using bitchx and i saw many many people... incredible.. |
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| 09:38.39 | noid | i have a compaq laptop and i can't figure out by the life of me how to get the touchpad running, this is a 2.6.8 kernel and both /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice complain about no such device, where should i look? |
| 09:39.54 | lunitik | noid: apt-cache search synaptic |
| 09:40.05 | noid | lunitik: thanks |
| 09:40.08 | lunitik | noid: look for the one that says its something to do with... touchpads |
| 09:40.09 | streuner_ | noid: are mousedev and psmouse loaded? |
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| 09:42.23 | Viper12 | noid, I'm running a compaq with suse, and ubuntu, and didn't have any problems. The driver for the touchpad is usually called "synaptics" in xorg.conf |
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| 09:42.36 | streuner_ | !touchpad |
| 09:42.36 | dpkg | touchpad is probably Touchpads are usually PS/2, set them up in X on /dev/psaux, proto IMPS/2 |
| 09:42.51 | streuner_ | !factinfo touchpad |
| 09:42.51 | dpkg | touchpad -- created by patter <~steve@host213-106-232-161.no-dns-yet.ntli.net> at Tue Mar 18 14:23:52 2003 (1031 days); it has been requested 41 times, last by staniel at Sun Nov 13 18:51:32 2005. |
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| 09:43.05 | noid | streuner_: lunitiks: Viper12: it was the mousedev module, thanks all |
| 09:43.13 | Viper12 | :) that'd do it. |
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| 09:43.30 | deadline_ | hi there, is it possible to downgrade from unstable to stable? |
| 09:43.37 | streuner_ | nah |
| 09:43.41 | streuner_ | reinstall |
| 09:43.50 | deadline_ | thats the only option? |
| 09:44.00 | Zrin | lynx http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ --> 404 The requested URL /cgi-bin/php/phpmyadmin/index.php was not found on this server. |
| 09:44.06 | Zrin | on freshly installed sarge |
| 09:44.06 | streuner_ | in order to run sarge (stable) yes |
| 09:44.22 | Zrin | (with installed phpmyadmin) |
| 09:44.34 | deadline_ | unstable keeps complaing after apt-get update about public key missing...any fix for that? |
| 09:44.52 | Zrin | is that a known problem? |
| 09:44.59 | takatumi | that's why you want to downgrade? |
| 09:45.23 | deadline_ | yes |
| 09:45.28 | bibe | deadline_ : read the /topic |
| 09:45.35 | deadline_ | oh |
| 09:45.37 | deadline_ | sorry |
| 09:45.42 | deadline_ | its early :) |
| 09:46.00 | bibe | deadline_ : no problem |
| 09:46.27 | deadline_ | another strange thing..when i try to ssh to the unstable box, it says permission denied (publickey) is that related too? |
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| 09:48.43 | djp | debian allows playback of mp3's by default doesn't it? |
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| 09:49.01 | deadline_ | includes the 2006 package key. installing this package may not be auto-verifiable; what package? |
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| 09:49.11 | deadline_ | djp: yes, with the right software |
| 09:49.12 | xcyborg | does anyone here has any experience with lurker ? |
| 09:49.25 | bibe | deadline_ : apt, I guess |
| 09:49.41 | deadline_ | installing apt? |
| 09:49.44 | deadline_ | what? |
| 09:49.50 | seeeS | deadline: the key changed |
| 09:50.03 | deadline_ | seeeS: the apt key? |
| 09:50.05 | seeeS | deadline: ask apt about secure |
| 09:50.07 | liable | deadline_: yes, libmad |
| 09:50.09 | seeeS | err |
| 09:50.14 | seeeS | ask dpkg about apt secure |
| 09:50.17 | liable | djp: ^^ |
| 09:50.20 | liable | djp: sorry |
| 09:50.23 | liable | grrr |
| 09:50.23 | seeeS | or 2006 key |
| 09:50.44 | djp | deadline_, sure. but that is all installed by default isn't it? |
| 09:50.54 | djp | liable, ? |
| 09:51.02 | deadline_ | djp: no |
| 09:51.17 | Zrin | i need httpd mostly for phpmyadmin on a database server, shall i use apache2 or apache? |
| 09:51.18 | liable | djp: mp3? |
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| 09:51.45 | liable | libmad0.. |
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| 09:51.52 | djp | liable, playback of mp3 files works 'out of the box' so to speak under debian, yes? |
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| 09:52.03 | liable | djp: yes |
| 09:52.31 | dli | how to unmerge a certain version? dev-java/sun-jdk-1.4.2.09 |
| 09:52.42 | deadline_ | you still need to install a program to play it djp |
| 09:52.48 | deadline_ | dli: wrong chan :) |
| 09:52.49 | dli | sorry, wrong channel |
| 09:52.51 | djp | deadline_, the reason i thought it did, was that after doing a default desktop install of 3.1 sarge, mp3's played without the need for adding any other packages... |
| 09:52.58 | liable | buu: ?? get it? |
| 09:53.00 | djp | liable, thanks! i thought i was going mad... (slight pun there!) |
| 09:53.07 | deadline_ | djp: do you have xmms or similar? |
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| 09:53.20 | deadline_ | still that key thing is not clear to me... |
| 09:53.27 | djp | deadline_, yes it was installed by default and rhythmbox |
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| 09:53.47 | liable | deadline_: either just upgrade apt, and then upgrade again, or do the gpg thing. |
| 09:53.49 | deadline_ | djp: then you are fine |
| 09:54.04 | deadline_ | liable: what is more reliable for a production server |
| 09:54.43 | TGoC | Hey people |
| 09:54.49 | liable | deadline_: doesnt really matter. erm, you use etch on a production server? |
| 09:54.52 | moomintroll | HI! Can anyone tell me how to upgrade from 'Sarge' to 'Sid' on an i386 architecture? I have been told to use 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and mess arround with /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/preferences, but the documentation is vague beyond that. |
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| 09:55.40 | liable | moomintroll: its not hard, but first, do yourself a favour and /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 09:55.47 | liable | and read it. |
| 09:56.45 | deadline_ | liable: yes, a colleagues fault. i dont feel to reinstall it |
| 09:57.00 | moomintroll | Don't quite follow do I enter the command here and read itin the IRC window? |
| 09:57.13 | deadline_ | it says apt is already the newest version |
| 09:57.18 | liable | moomintroll: yep, put the /msg in your client |
| 09:57.19 | bibe | moomintroll : read also /msg dpkg stable->testing and use 'unstable' instead of 'testing'. Remember that unstable doesn't have security repositories |
| 09:57.34 | liable | deadline_: after an update? |
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| 09:57.50 | moomintroll | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.32 | deadline_ | liable: after apt-get upgrade apt |
| 09:58.49 | noid | moomintroll: without spaces before the /msg |
| 09:59.51 | liable | deadline_: meh, oh well, do the pgp thing then |
| 09:59.53 | deadline_ | liable: ok. thanks so far |
| 10:00.20 | litage | what euid and egid? |
| 10:00.37 | liable | someone should add about p.d.o being down in the /topic |
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| 10:02.47 | jm_ | litage: are you asking what e means? |
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| 10:04.10 | Zrin | i cant't access phpmyadmin on freshly installed sarge with apache 2, i'm getting "/cgi-bin/php/phpmyadmin/index.php was not found" when i try to get "http://localhost/phpmyadmin/" (through a ssh tunnel) - can't see any obvious reason in phpmyadmin config nor in /etc/apache2/config.d/phpmyadmin.conf - where to look next? |
| 10:04.26 | jm_ | apache logfiles ... |
| 10:04.33 | litage | jm_: yes |
| 10:04.37 | jm_ | litage: man geteuid |
| 10:05.04 | Noborukun | Is dreamhost.com a famous hosting company in the US. ? strange is ...they use debian |
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| 10:05.12 | litage | thanks |
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| 10:05.59 | liable | Noborukun: whats strange about it? |
| 10:06.18 | smacky_wolf | Noborukun: Dreamhost are pretty good. I use my friednds Dreamhost account. |
| 10:06.53 | szzs | hi, i keep getting GPG errors at apt-get update in the last week, is that normal? The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
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| 10:07.34 | jfields | hello all |
| 10:07.46 | aSii_GeNc | hello |
| 10:07.49 | aSii_GeNc | :o) |
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| 10:07.52 | liable | szzs: /topic |
| 10:08.17 | szzs | thanks |
| 10:08.33 | jfields | anyone have a PPC they run Debian on? |
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| 10:10.04 | liable | jfields: try #debian=-ppc |
| 10:10.11 | liable | err #debian-ppc |
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| 10:10.15 | don__ | can i add more than one GUI's like gnome on the same debian |
| 10:10.17 | jfields | oh... my bad.... thanks |
| 10:10.23 | liable | don__: yep |
| 10:10.35 | liable | jfields: theres normally a few here, but.. |
| 10:11.07 | don__ | is there any GUI like Darwin .....MacOS X for debian |
| 10:11.17 | Noborukun | smacky_wolf, i see |
| 10:11.27 | Noborukun | liable, i was curious :) |
| 10:11.36 | liable | heh :) |
| 10:12.04 | Zrin | access.log: "GET /phpmyadmin/ HTTP/1.1" 404 315 "-" |
| 10:12.08 | streuner_ | don__: there are themes avaiable which looks similar to it in GNOME or KDE |
| 10:12.20 | jfields | i would say that xfce is pretty close by default settings in my opinion... but they can all be pretty much configured to work the way you want... |
| 10:12.23 | Zrin | error.log: [error] [client 127.0.0.1] script not found or unable to stat: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php |
| 10:12.35 | jfields | i think there is a program that mimicks the launcher of mac |
| 10:12.48 | jfields | cant remember the name tho |
| 10:12.55 | Zrin | what is apache (or phpmyadmin?) doing in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php ? |
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| 10:13.32 | Zrin | is there any (default?) url rewriting in debian apache2? |
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| 10:13.41 | don__ | i will look for on google, thanks |
| 10:14.08 | AM|R | hi how to disable dhcp server on my debian?.. i already set static ip but dhcp up in a certain time |
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| 10:15.18 | bibe | AM|R : dhcp server? |
| 10:15.29 | intero | no tor users in here? |
| 10:15.29 | Woosta | Once I have booted from the boot.img floppy, how do I get it to start the install from the cdrom? |
| 10:15.54 | AM|R | yes my debian as default dhcp client. how to disable the auto dhcp on my server |
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| 10:16.21 | jm_ | Woosta: boot from a CD |
| 10:16.38 | tarzeau | intero: i'm a rot user, rot13! |
| 10:16.44 | Woosta | jm_: option explored and discarded .. machine just wont boot from the cdrom |
| 10:16.50 | TGoC | I'm setting up postfix on my Debian distro. It asks me for mail name, what do i got to fill in when my address is www.foo.com ? foo.com ? |
| 10:16.51 | tarzeau | intero: is tor the opposite of rot? |
| 10:16.57 | intero | tarzeau: heh, hi |
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| 10:16.59 | sep | AM|R, do you realy want to disable dhcp on the server preventing any dhcp in your whole lan, or just not use dhcp on your debian ? you are just confusing us. |
| 10:17.03 | jm_ | Woosta: tried using SBM? |
| 10:17.07 | intero | tarzeau: not really :) |
| 10:17.08 | TGoC | And is it possible to add users.foo.com? |
| 10:17.12 | Woosta | SBM? |
| 10:17.32 | tarzeau | !SBM |
| 10:17.32 | dpkg | methinks sbm is Smart Boot Manager, or docs on the Debian CD: /install/README.sbm. Uses a floppy to boot from CD if your computer can't. |
| 10:17.34 | jfields | intero: i use it every once in a while |
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| 10:17.39 | davis | hello |
| 10:17.43 | bibe | AM|R : /etc/init.d/dhcp stop stops the dhcp server, if you are talking about that |
| 10:17.44 | Woosta | ta |
| 10:18.11 | davis | is there a channel for talking about x.org xserver? |
| 10:18.18 | tarzeau | davis: sure |
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| 10:18.43 | intero | jfields: #debian Banlist: Sun Jan 1 23:56:14 *!*@tor/* asuffield!n=asuffiel@213-162-123-241.neilsu458.adsl.metronet.co.uk |
| 10:18.45 | davis | tarzeau: thanks. I tried #x.org but it was empty. |
| 10:18.52 | tarzeau | davis: that's not the channel |
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| 10:19.14 | intero | asuffield: why ban tor? |
| 10:19.17 | davis | tarzeau: would you be so kind as to tell me, please? |
| 10:19.22 | liable | intero: i think that might be a freenode thing actually |
| 10:19.28 | tarzeau | davis: can't, i'm under NDA |
| 10:19.33 | liable | intero: read the freenode faqs |
| 10:19.36 | jethro | when will we get a DSA for clamav, and a fixed package? |
| 10:19.37 | tiny | How do I execute a program in bash at specific time? I need it to be executed only once. |
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| 10:19.38 | asuffield | anybody using tor is probably a troll |
| 10:19.40 | intero | liable: freenode is ok with tor! |
| 10:19.45 | tarzeau | jethro: when someone makes one |
| 10:19.58 | intero | asuffield: thanks for your lazyness then |
| 10:20.04 | jethro | tarzeau: doesn't debian have a so team? |
| 10:20.10 | tarzeau | tiny: wait the amount of time until specific time, say with sleep ? |
| 10:20.19 | tarzeau | jethro: a what team? |
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| 10:20.21 | mhall | *yay* cheesy night-time TV |
| 10:20.25 | jethro | tarzeau: security officers |
| 10:20.31 | tarzeau | jethro: what's that? |
| 10:20.34 | TGoC | I'm setting up postfix on my Debian distro. It asks me for mail name, what do i got to fill in when my address is www.foo.com ? foo.com ? |
| 10:20.35 | Woosta | jm_: thanks .. sbm looks like it might be just what I need :) |
| 10:20.41 | tarzeau | jethro: nethack has killer kops |
| 10:20.45 | jfields | intero: what was that? |
| 10:20.48 | mhall | asuffield: haven't seen a single tor user that wasn't a troll as it turns out |
| 10:20.55 | jethro | tarzeau: people in charge of security problems with regards to the debian distributions |
| 10:21.01 | tiny | tarzeau: I thought there was something like: #delayprogram application 2hours |
| 10:21.04 | asuffield | mhall: why else would anybody use it for IRC? |
| 10:21.12 | tarzeau | tiny: at? |
| 10:21.20 | tarzeau | tiny: sleep 2h; program ? |
| 10:21.27 | Zrin | can't see where this redirection comes from :( pls help |
| 10:21.28 | mhall | asuffield: yes, quite; i was expressing agreement to your statement and then some |
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| 10:21.31 | Zrin | access.log: "GET /phpmyadmin/ HTTP/1.1" 404 315 "-" |
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| 10:21.33 | Zrin | error.log: [error] [client 127.0.0.1] script not found or unable to stat: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php |
| 10:22.00 | jm_ | Woosta: it's very nice indeed |
| 10:22.10 | tiny | tarzeau: uff ... how could I miss that one .. thnx |
| 10:22.22 | intero | asuffield: because my isp sucks and nats users; if one of those is a troll many gets banned because of the idiot. so i have to use tor as often i have klines |
| 10:22.30 | Zrin | it's fresh installed sarge with apache2 and phpmyadmin :-/ |
| 10:22.43 | tarzeau | intero: ahhh, that's italy and turkey :) |
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| 10:23.12 | davis | hmm. ok. here is another question. I managed to get the ati fglrx driver for x.org installed. I can play ppracer ok. However when I try to play rtcw, which I could do previously with xfree86, it does not work properly. I can start the game, see the opening visuals in 3D, but when I press a key to go to main menu, I hear the sound effects change and the screen locks. I can type ~ and then /quit to quit the game however so the game has not locked up - just t |
| 10:23.14 | intero | tarzeau: where in .ch are you now? |
| 10:23.20 | tarzeau | intero: zurich |
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| 10:23.33 | mhall | intero: IPv6! |
| 10:23.51 | intero | mhall: i am not the isp owner, otherwise i would have done it |
| 10:23.52 | mhall | !tell me about 2006 key |
| 10:23.58 | jethro | meh that sucks, why would I run debian stable on servers if it takes more than 4 days to fix a vulnerability in a software that can be remotely exploited .. |
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| 10:24.00 | davis | i rode a motorcycle to zurich last summer. Very nice time. |
| 10:24.07 | mhall | intero: you don't need to be with freenet6, it includes UDP support now |
| 10:24.13 | intero | tarzeau: and the lug you are holding is related to the univeristy? |
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| 10:24.49 | intero | mhall: am afraid i dont know what your talking about |
| 10:24.59 | tarzeau | intero: no, it's in kt. aargau |
| 10:25.04 | AM|R | sep i want not use dhcp on my debian |
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| 10:25.11 | tarzeau | intero: where i live. i am in zurich now, where i work |
| 10:25.13 | christianp | hi all |
| 10:25.33 | intero | tarzeau: ah i see. how is the univerity (if it has one) |
| 10:25.33 | davis | christianp: hello |
| 10:25.43 | tarzeau | intero: www.phys.ethz.ch |
| 10:25.51 | intero | ta |
| 10:25.54 | moomintroll | liabel, noid : thanks. http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html persuaded me to upgrade to 'testing', rather than 'unstable'. |
| 10:26.09 | tarzeau | moomintroll: ick |
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| 10:27.01 | tarzeau | moomintroll: you don't like brown paper bag bugs? |
| 10:27.03 | liable | moomintroll: well, good luck, testing is pretty bad atm too. but have a go if you like. |
| 10:27.28 | sep | AM|R, then use static instead of dhcp on /etc/network/interfaces. and read man interfaces to learn how to write the config |
| 10:27.33 | tarzeau | testing is cursed |
| 10:27.40 | AM|R | how i can permanently stop my debian dhcp |
| 10:27.50 | christianp | i have this problem: i instaled a package, but after this i make an error: i delete a folder of this product. Now doing apt-get install it says the product is installed, while apt-get remove says there are erros. |
| 10:27.56 | mhall | intero: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=freenet6 |
| 10:27.59 | christianp | how can i solve this problem? |
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| 10:28.08 | sep | AM|R, and apt-get remove --purge all dhcp realated packages to be 100% sure |
| 10:28.26 | sep | christianp, try apt-get install --reinstall |
| 10:28.41 | EdLin | !folder |
| 10:28.41 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
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| 10:29.23 | asuffield | intero: tor simply means that you're sharing one connection with *all* the trolls, who are obviously banned. I don't know why you ever expected it to be any different |
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| 10:29.33 | christianp | sep, nothing to do: pre-removal return error code 1 |
| 10:29.35 | BarneyG | Hi All |
| 10:30.18 | mhall | asuffield: the funny thing is, freenode as usual adopts a highly liberal pro-troll policy wrt tor |
| 10:30.25 | liable | christianp: make the dir you deleted and see if that makes it happy. |
| 10:30.38 | liable | christianp: or check the pre-remove script.. |
| 10:30.39 | intero | mhall: thank you so much his kindness |
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| 10:30.42 | mhall | asuffield: not being involved in the daily life of channels they fail to comprehend the inconvenience |
| 10:30.45 | christianp | ok |
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| 10:31.07 | mhall | intero: don't take it _that_ seriously. i was just giving you a hard time. ;-) no offense intended |
| 10:31.10 | moomintroll | tarzeau : anything on the web which shows what the problems with 'testing' are? |
| 10:31.33 | mhall | intero: but honestly ipv6 with freenet6 could work because it gets around NAT using some UDP tricks |
| 10:31.39 | tarzeau | moomintroll: no i don't know a place on the web |
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| 10:32.05 | tarzeau | moomintroll: i guess you'll have to hurt yourself first and learn it |
| 10:32.28 | Zrin | I can't access phpmyadmin on fresh installed sarge with apache2 because of strange redirection to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php/... - I need help tracking down that ... please |
| 10:32.29 | biloti | hi guys. I'm in trouble with my sound card. It's a (Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)), which used to work with snd-intel8x0 module. But now all sound devices in /dev were gone. How to create them agaim? I use sarge with 2.6.8-2-686 kernel. Thanks! |
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| 10:32.43 | mhall | tarzeau: isn't there some debian list that tracks that? |
| 10:32.51 | tarzeau | mhall: no idea, i hate mailing lists |
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| 10:34.04 | intero | asuffield: i have never had problem anywhere but here. needless to say, i don't agree on banning a whole group, like a whole isp or a whole tor. |
| 10:34.36 | asuffield | well tough |
| 10:34.47 | mhall | tarzeau: lol |
| 10:34.50 | liable | hah |
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| 10:35.26 | mhall | intero: well if you don't like it why don't you bitch about it to the debian developers on the mailing lists who are in an ivory tower and don't realize what life in the channel is like |
| 10:35.54 | mhall | intero: then they'll come in and have an authoritarian crackdown for two weeks until they leave because they can't handle all the shit that goes on in here |
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| 10:36.14 | mhall | intero: seriously there are days where hundreds are talking at exactly the same time |
| 10:36.24 | mhall | intero: and over 90% of tor users are trolls |
| 10:36.36 | liable | and kingsley's stats go through the roof! |
| 10:36.47 | inetd | who uses DVB here? |
| 10:37.08 | intero | mhall: if you say so. i have never seen this behaviour in the other channels i am in. |
| 10:37.08 | mhall | intero: so i don't see how you expect our small crew of ops (to wit less than 20) to deal with that kind of shit on top of trying to conduct business as usual |
| 10:37.16 | moomintroll | tarzeau : can you think of any example of particular recent problem with 'testing' that comes to mind? Are the appns buggy, or does it tend to be the kernel and modules? or everything? |
| 10:37.21 | mhall | intero: other channels don't have this many users or this many trolls either |
| 10:37.27 | smacky_wolf | Mhall: Heya. I'm still havinf the same problem. |
| 10:37.36 | tarzeau | moomintroll: you don't get the software , you get with sid |
| 10:37.37 | smacky_wolf | Actually, do you remeber mer? |
| 10:37.39 | mhall | intero: considering all of this, we are pretty permissive |
| 10:37.43 | tarzeau | moomintroll: you get the security updates very late |
| 10:37.47 | mhall | smacky_wolf: i'm trying to think... bcm43xx? |
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| 10:37.55 | tarzeau | moomintroll: and if some large thing is broken, it gets fixed much later |
| 10:38.05 | smacky_wolf | Nah, just couldn't install because of usb hang |
| 10:38.10 | mhall | smacky_wolf: i actually did get it to compile and run |
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| 10:38.15 | mhall | smacky_wolf: oh right |
| 10:38.25 | mhall | smacky_wolf: sorry i spaced cause it's 2:38 AM |
| 10:38.49 | smacky_wolf | It's fine XD. I got nousb, then it hung on AGP recog or something |
| 10:38.56 | christianp | thanks liable sep , recreating deleted folder now is all right |
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| 10:39.01 | mhall | smacky_wolf: hmm, there's a way to do no agp as well i think |
| 10:39.10 | mhall | smacky_wolf: try the one for disabling frame buffer support |
| 10:39.10 | smacky_wolf | Yeah. o.o |
| 10:39.17 | smacky_wolf | nofb? |
| 10:39.25 | mhall | smacky_wolf: frame buffer support is so broken for me i usually turn it off on purpose |
| 10:39.29 | mhall | smacky_wolf: more like... |
| 10:39.32 | Padnah | what is a good package for the process of digital pics from a Nikon camera? |
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| 10:39.37 | mhall | smacky_wolf: debian-installer/framebuffer=false |
| 10:39.41 | liable | christianp: /msg dpkg confmiss for when you re-install |
| 10:39.45 | mhall | smacky_wolf: but check the fkey help screens don't quote me |
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| 10:40.13 | smacky_wolf | What is fkey? I really don't know a hell of a lot about linux. |
| 10:40.20 | mhall | smacky_wolf: the function keys |
| 10:40.26 | smacky_wolf | Arhah, of course. XD |
| 10:40.30 | mhall | smacky_wolf: you can press em before you boot to get different options to try |
| 10:40.49 | smacky_wolf | Yeah, I remeber that. |
| 10:40.52 | mhall | smacky_wolf: and one of the fkey screens will say how to kill framebuffer and there might be something for killing agp as well |
| 10:41.03 | smacky_wolf | Can I turn off that at the grub boot? |
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| 10:41.23 | intero | mhall: what about +m and voice? |
| 10:41.47 | noiesmo | Hey all I want to compress and tar a directory im using "tar cvvzf blah.tar.gz blah" can i increase the compression level or is there a better way to compress this directory to maximize compression |
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| 10:42.08 | moomintroll | tarzeau : slow security upgrades should not be a major problem for desktop machines with no server applications running? |
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| 10:42.31 | mhall | smacky_wolf: well theoretically what you would do is, get the install working with tweak options |
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| 10:42.40 | biloti_ | hi guys. I'm in trouble with my sound card. It's a (Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)), which used to work with snd-intel8x0 module. But now all sound devices in /dev were gone. How to create them agaim? I use sarge with 2.6.8-2-686 kernel. Thanks! |
| 10:42.40 | mhall | smacky_wolf: then, reboot back onto the install cd |
| 10:43.01 | liable | biloti_: man MAKEDEV |
| 10:43.13 | tarzeau | moomintroll: slow anything upgrades |
| 10:43.15 | TGoC | Anyone got a suggestion for this: I am a noob at Mailservering. Although that doesn't stop me from wanting one. I would like to know if you guys have some recommendation / Tutorials so it won't be too hard for me to install :) |
| 10:43.18 | mhall | smacky_wolf: chroot into the new debian system, install build-essential, gcc-4.0, and libncurses-dev, then compile and configure a custom fresh 2.6.15 for just your hardware |
| 10:43.24 | mhall | smacky_wolf: that's what's most likely to work |
| 10:43.26 | smacky_wolf | Mhall: Install works, just when I come to firstboot hangs. I can edit my grub options, though |
| 10:43.38 | mhall | smacky_wolf: but really it's be a lot easier to try ubuntu or kubuntu at this point |
| 10:43.42 | liable | biloti_: unless you use udev, then i guess its broken.. |
| 10:43.44 | Trewas | noiesmo: you can use bzip2 instead of gzip for compression (-j flag instead of -z), though for best compression you should use something else (7zip or rar) |
| 10:43.52 | sep | TGoC, many domains/users or just for yourself ? |
| 10:44.04 | TGoC | 1 domain with many users ;) |
| 10:44.05 | smacky_wolf | Eh. I have debian running on a laptop that's built into a cardboard box. |
| 10:44.17 | liable | classy! |
| 10:44.23 | sep | TGoC, if you want a full isp solution you can start here http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/,, otherways just use debian default and add regular users |
| 10:44.37 | smacky_wolf | GIve me a sec, I uploaded some pics of it :) |
| 10:44.45 | noiesmo | Trewas, cheers i'll have a go at bzip2 instead and look at 7zip thanks for the advice |
| 10:44.46 | TGoC | your link is dead Sep |
| 10:44.54 | biloti_ | liable: udev is instaled |
| 10:44.56 | sep | remove the ,,'s |
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| 10:45.00 | TGoC | i did |
| 10:45.14 | sep | TGoC, im browsing it now |
| 10:45.15 | TGoC | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ == Source cannot be displayed 406 |
| 10:45.25 | liable | biloti_: so, how did you break it? |
| 10:45.26 | mhall | Trewas: RAR is non-free! |
| 10:45.48 | sep | work for me |
| 10:46.06 | sep | TGoC, besides it's overskill if you just want 1 domain |
| 10:46.09 | TGoC | If i remove -sarge it works |
| 10:46.20 | biloti_ | i guess it stop worked when i update to 2.6.8-2-686, but it was done automaticaly by aptitude |
| 10:46.34 | sep | TGoC, that's a different page |
| 10:46.36 | smacky_wolf | http://aa.domaindlx.com/smackywolf/DSC00089.JPG <-- There's one of it up and running. http://aa.domaindlx.com/smackywolf/DSC00088.JPG <- Booting http://aa.domaindlx.com/smackywolf/DSC00086.JPG <-- and ports. |
| 10:46.45 | sep | TGoC, that's for oldstable the woody solution |
| 10:46.47 | Trewas | mhall: sure, but still beats bzip2 easily in compress ratios... of course if good compression is not that important it is better to use tar+bzip2 |
| 10:46.48 | smacky_wolf | It has wifi :) |
| 10:47.14 | TGoC | sep, the problem is i want it to be a webmail, so people can read there email online |
| 10:47.23 | liable | biloti_: are the modules loaded? |
| 10:47.23 | mhall | smacky_wolf: lol! |
| 10:47.29 | rage | My wifi :-P :-) |
| 10:47.31 | sep | any imap server + squirelmail |
| 10:47.33 | smacky_wolf | I was bored XD |
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| 10:47.36 | bert_ | hi |
| 10:47.39 | biloti_ | liable: yes. snd-intel8x0 |
| 10:47.40 | smacky_wolf | XD yeah. Rage ownz. |
| 10:47.43 | rage | Thats my wireless card :-) |
| 10:48.09 | liable | biloti_: snd-pcm-oss? |
| 10:48.14 | biloti_ | ls /dev/ | grep audio -> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 10, 135 2006-01-06 16:01 rtc |
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| 10:48.23 | TGoC | sep, i got postfix installed right now |
| 10:48.32 | TGoC | BUt i'm lost at the IMAP part |
| 10:48.35 | bert_ | i just made an upgrade from apt and then i've some errors while, for example, lauching aterm, about colors : |
| 10:48.36 | bert_ | term: warning: Unable to resolve "black" as a color name. |
| 10:48.56 | bert_ | someone knows what happened and how to fix it plz ? |
| 10:49.14 | biloti_ | liable: no. just a moment... |
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| 10:49.42 | RichiH | bert_: well, find out what aterm takes as color descriptions in the new version |
| 10:49.42 | inetd | bert_: edit your .Xdefault file |
| 10:49.54 | liable | biloti_: alsa /dev are in /dev/snd/.. |
| 10:49.55 | mhall | Trewas: fuck it man, just use 7zip, it's as good and free and has better support for unix perms etc |
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| 10:50.07 | mhall | but one thing i hate is all of the zip utes have bad syntax |
| 10:50.17 | mhall | why can't they either be like bzip2 / gzip or like tar |
| 10:50.31 | mhall | they always use some kind of sick twisted proprietary machinations |
| 10:50.40 | Gumby | anyone in here know of a simple script that would recurse directories and files and replace any spaces in their names with underscores? |
| 10:50.55 | mhall | i swear to god i want to beat them over the heads with getopt and getopt_long documentation until they can't breathe |
| 10:51.05 | bert_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.14 | bert_ | did you said xf86config ? |
| 10:51.24 | sep | TGoC, tha's not smtp related. search for imap in packages |
| 10:51.26 | Zrin | do I have to enable php4 engine for apache2 explicitly (myself) after installing sarge with php4 and apache2? |
| 10:51.29 | biloti_ | liable: I loaded snd-pcm-oss and it seems to work now. But the strange is that it used to work and I never had loaded that module before. Thanks! |
| 10:51.55 | liable | biloti_: yeah, i dunno why it didnt get loaded. try depmod -a |
| 10:52.24 | mhall | !mhallsmite nonstandard interfaces to nonstandard compression tools |
| 10:53.36 | mhall | w00t, POSIX API uber alles |
| 10:53.55 | mhall | smacky_wolf: where in hell did you get all those components |
| 10:53.58 | fireba11 | !smite mhall |
| 10:54.05 | bibe | Zrin : no, if you install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 10:54.11 | liable | biloti_: you couls always add it to /etc/modules if it keeps giving trouble i spose. |
| 10:54.14 | Zrin | bibe: thank you |
| 10:54.15 | raf256 | !smitesmite fireba11 |
| 10:54.19 | bibe | Zrin : no problem |
| 10:54.41 | raf256 | !xorgsmite bert_ |
| 10:54.46 | fireba11 | raf256: lol .. that one was new to me :-) |
| 10:54.48 | smacky_wolf | Mhall: It was a real laptop :) |
| 10:54.53 | liable | no |
| 10:55.14 | bert_ | erf :) |
| 10:55.19 | biloti_ | liable: definitely it doesn't get loaded automagicaly, but now I know (you know, I mean!), I added it to /etc/modules |
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| 10:56.09 | inetd | Gumby: i got answer for u |
| 10:56.24 | biloti_ | liable: Thanx! :-D |
| 10:56.44 | Gumby | inetd: ? |
| 10:56.45 | liable | biloti_: yw |
| 10:56.48 | Gumby | oops |
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| 10:57.00 | Gumby | inetd: sorry, didnt see your message therw |
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| 10:57.14 | inetd | bert_: ~/.Xdefaults |
| 10:57.18 | mhall | subir: are you any relation to the subir that used to post cool amiga software on his website years ago? |
| 10:57.22 | liable | just type that command in. |
| 10:57.28 | liable | fuck |
| 10:58.20 | mhall | liable: -bash: fuck: command not found |
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| 10:58.50 | subir | mhall, no |
| 10:59.02 | mhall | subir: lol i figured not but you never know |
| 10:59.12 | liable | paste the output of just .. route |
| 10:59.34 | liable | oh jesus, i wish i could get the right fucking window.. |
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| 11:01.25 | bert_ | inetd, i've no .Xdefaults |
| 11:01.29 | bert_ | but i got this msg |
| 11:01.29 | yang | which is a lowmem browser? |
| 11:01.31 | TGoC | dpkg |
| 11:01.33 | yang | graphical |
| 11:01.38 | TGoC | sexdpkg |
| 11:01.44 | TGoC | stupid bot... |
| 11:01.45 | TGoC | :P |
| 11:01.56 | bert_ | Please Repair your rgb database |
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| 11:01.58 | liable | no stupid TGoC |
| 11:02.02 | liable | :P |
| 11:02.04 | TGoC | liable true.. :) |
| 11:02.05 | bert_ | so i search thus way |
| 11:02.13 | TGoC | i can't get a mailserver properly installed |
| 11:02.25 | TGoC | i'm trying it for like 3 weeks now |
| 11:02.26 | TGoC | :P |
| 11:02.28 | mhall | yang: your mom is definitely too big to be a low-mem browser |
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| 11:02.59 | seeeS | tgoc: which mailserver? |
| 11:03.04 | inetd | bert_: fix your /etc/X11/rgb.txt |
| 11:03.22 | inetd | bert_: its probly corrupted or missing |
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| 11:03.46 | TGoC | I got a full qualified domain, What i want is Either that all the mail that is being received is inserted into mysql OR something that explains me howto install a good mailserver |
| 11:04.03 | seeeS | insert email into mysql? eww dude |
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| 11:04.16 | TGoC | i prefer the second option seeeS |
| 11:04.22 | TGoC | but i seem to fail that everytime |
| 11:04.24 | TGoC | So.. ;) |
| 11:04.39 | seeeS | well, what does this mailserver do? like how do you read the email? |
| 11:04.49 | TGoC | it's in /var/mail |
| 11:05.11 | seeeS | how many accounts? |
| 11:05.21 | TGoC | 4 |
| 11:05.27 | derRZGeier | I've setup my mailserver with sendmail and openwebmail |
| 11:05.31 | bibe | TGoC : take a look at http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 11:05.36 | seeeS | ok, so a small setup |
| 11:05.39 | liable | !start an mta war |
| 11:05.39 | dpkg | sendmail is hard to configure |
| 11:05.44 | TGoC | Source cannot be displayed bibe |
| 11:05.45 | seeeS | hehe |
| 11:05.47 | inetd | TGoC: usually mailserver settings are kept on mysql db...not the actuall mails |
| 11:05.47 | derRZGeier | what are your packages used? |
| 11:06.10 | seeeS | for 4 accounts why would you bother with a database? |
| 11:06.17 | sep | liable, that's a poor war.. that's just common knowledge |
| 11:06.18 | seeeS | 4,000 ok its database time |
| 11:06.20 | mhall | yang: chimera2 dillo links2 mythbrowser |
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| 11:06.32 | TGoC | I want, to make multiple accounts secher |
| 11:06.33 | TGoC | seeeS* |
| 11:06.37 | TGoC | sorry secher... |
| 11:06.42 | derRZGeier | if you use the sendmail.mc it gets quiet easy |
| 11:07.05 | TGoC | I wish i were smart enough to get those things working |
| 11:07.06 | TGoC | >_< |
| 11:07.27 | TGoC | i tried exim4, sendmail, squirrelmail, courier, postfix |
| 11:07.34 | TGoC | you name it and i probably already have tried it |
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| 11:07.49 | sep | TGoC, if you are able o read /usr/share/doc/packagename it's easy |
| 11:08.02 | sep | TGoC, if you just try without reading the manual. then ofcouse it's dificult |
| 11:08.10 | TGoC | sep i try |
| 11:08.15 | TGoC | but they don't make sense to me |
| 11:08.22 | TGoC | Each time i try reading a doc file |
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| 11:08.33 | TGoC | my eyes roll out of my head |
| 11:08.34 | bert_ | hop |
| 11:08.42 | seeeS | create 4 unix accounts, install exim or postfix and answer the questions, its pretty easy |
| 11:08.44 | sep | TGoC, then i think you should pay someone to sestup your server. |
| 11:08.54 | TGoC | too expensive |
| 11:08.55 | bert_ | upgrade made my rgb.txt empty ... |
| 11:08.57 | liable | TGoC: use the postman. |
| 11:09.03 | TGoC | isn't there a n00b howto? |
| 11:09.13 | bert_ | now fixed !! thanx ppl :) |
| 11:09.14 | TGoC | who happens to use lamers therms? |
| 11:09.29 | seeeS | they dont run mailservers otherwise the mailservers get 0wned |
| 11:09.56 | liable | TGoC: email isnt as simple as most people take for granted. |
| 11:09.58 | sep | TGoC, debian is not exactly the n00bers distro. it's requieres a minimum docreading and manpage skill |
| 11:10.06 | mhall | TGoC: dude, go visit a linux user group and they'll help |
| 11:10.20 | TGoC | liable i didn't say it was |
| 11:10.21 | smacky_wolf | Go for Mandriva. I started with it. |
| 11:10.22 | mhall | TGoC: but you need to develop a foundation of skills unless you want a cracked box |
| 11:10.32 | TGoC | sep I am not an entire n00b only when it comes to email :) |
| 11:10.49 | liable | TGoC: i am just saying, dont feel sad cause you cant understand it, was all. |
| 11:10.49 | bert_ | linux is really cool anytime you have a problem, you are sure to learn something new by resolving it ;) |
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| 11:11.02 | mhall | bert_: depends on how critical it is |
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| 11:11.22 | bert_ | mhall, yep and depends on your sysadm skills too |
| 11:11.37 | TGoC | i have been told to look -> http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 11:11.48 | bert_ | hmm |
| 11:11.50 | TGoC | When i do: HTTP-fout 406 - Not accepted |
| 11:11.56 | bert_ | does someone here uses gdesklets ? |
| 11:12.01 | TGoC | fout == error |
| 11:12.06 | seeeS | i used to use gdesklets |
| 11:12.09 | sep | TGoC, it's usualy as easy as [exim|postfix] to recive email, any imap server to provide email to any web email frontend. innstall your chosen packages and read it's documents. if you dont like reading make sure you stay away from horde packages :) |
| 11:12.13 | jm_ | that's a problem on your end - there's little point in telling us about it, because it works for us |
| 11:12.16 | seeeS | then they started moving around the screen by themselves |
| 11:12.19 | inetd | bert_: well im glad to help :) |
| 11:12.27 | bert_ | can't save their position for next startup |
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| 11:12.40 | TGoC | sep name me 1 good imap server? |
| 11:12.54 | seeeS | dovecot or courier, dovecot is newer and simpler |
| 11:13.00 | sep | TGoC, i use courier-imap, but many like dovecot |
| 11:13.00 | TGoC | -> http://criminalsworld.nl/webmail/src/configtest.php |
| 11:13.14 | poonj | is there a way to setup a keep-alive with the default pppoe client? |
| 11:13.15 | seeeS | courier more people are familiar with |
| 11:13.37 | mhall | TGoC: link works for me |
| 11:13.46 | sep | how is dovcot on imap+ssl pop3+ssl ? easier then courier (that's pretty easy lready) |
| 11:14.14 | TGoC | mhall i know it does for others |
| 11:14.16 | TGoC | >_< |
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| 11:14.27 | TGoC | mhall can you save the page |
| 11:14.30 | TGoC | and send it to me? |
| 11:14.38 | diana | seeeS: What do you use instead of gdesklets? |
| 11:14.38 | seeeS | sep: pretty easy. 1 line to enable, 2-3 to put the location of cerificates |
| 11:14.40 | TGoC | by mail |
| 11:14.45 | seeeS | diana: gkrellm |
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| 11:15.06 | seeeS | poonj: lcp-echo-interval ? |
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| 11:15.28 | bert_ | does gkrellm use transparency ? |
| 11:15.47 | Dewi | has anyone had success connecting to GUI apps remotely (and I don't mean X11 over ssh - that's no good for long running processes I want to monitor)? |
| 11:15.54 | mhall | TGoC: one sec |
| 11:15.54 | sep | TGoC, try google's cache http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:pVA-3d3M8sAJ:workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/+&hl=en&lr=lang_da|lang_en|lang_no|lang_sv&client=firefox |
| 11:16.05 | TGoC | that worksa |
| 11:16.15 | Dewi | the VNC Xserver is really unstable for me, and the VNC-over-Xfree thing takes about 10 seconds to draw a screen |
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| 11:16.29 | bert_ | i use vnc |
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| 11:16.41 | jm_ | Dewi: apt-cache show xmove |
| 11:16.45 | seeeS | nah gkrellm is a solid box |
| 11:16.51 | mhall | TGoC: http://www.mhcomputing.net/~mhall/email.zip |
| 11:17.05 | sep | Dewi, vnc is slow, i use x11vnc and it draws the screen in some secs. but freenx is much more efficient if you dont need to look at display :0 |
| 11:17.19 | TGoC | mhall I already have it but thanks anyway :) |
| 11:17.28 | jm_ | too bad freenx is not in Debian |
| 11:17.41 | Dewi | bert_: attaching it to xfree running on your console, or using vnc's x server? |
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| 11:18.10 | sep | TGoC, but seriously that page is for multi domain virtual users and domains withuser info in mysql database it's way overkill for 1 domain with 4 users :) |
| 11:18.13 | Dewi | sep: how's freenx looking these days? last time I checked there was no easy way to get it going in testing |
| 11:18.16 | bert_ | Dewi, ingeneral i use ssh to remotely launch vnc |
| 11:18.23 | mhall | !mhallsmite debian for not including freenx |
| 11:18.46 | Dewi | mhall: thanks |
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| 11:18.54 | Dewi | mhall: I'm seriously considering giving installing that another try |
| 11:18.56 | bert_ | Dewi, you want to access a X running session or want a new one ? |
| 11:18.57 | sep | Dewi, i am on testing and i use the source from sid. deb http://kanotix.com/files/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 11:19.12 | mhall | Dewi: freenix you mean? |
| 11:19.17 | sep | !freenx |
| 11:19.17 | dpkg | somebody said freenx was a hyped remote desktop tool, like vnc. packages for sarge --deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./ packages for etch/sid --deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main |
| 11:19.17 | mhall | oops *typo* |
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| 11:19.21 | Dewi | mhall: freenx, yeah |
| 11:19.27 | TGoC | sep, when i got it properly working |
| 11:19.27 | Dewi | I think last time I was trying, kanotix was down |
| 11:19.29 | sep | i see dpkg have a different site.. perhaps thatone is better |
| 11:19.32 | Dewi | for about a week |
| 11:19.34 | TGoC | i want to make another 20 accounts |
| 11:19.41 | mhall | Dewi: fuck that, that's bs |
| 11:19.54 | TGoC | Only i will not consider giving them shell access |
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| 11:19.58 | Dewi | bert_: preferably I'd like something totally divorced from my display hardware since I rarely use a monitor at all |
| 11:20.07 | TGoC | i only want them to be able to read there mail online |
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| 11:20.17 | Dewi | mhall: nice |
| 11:20.22 | Dewi | this sounds quite promising |
| 11:20.22 | mhall | speaking of which, where can i find some information on hardening a public access shell server? |
| 11:20.24 | sep | hmmm it was me that last modified that factoid... why am i using a differnent repo then what i recomended.... |
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| 11:20.34 | sep | i think i need to take a talk with myself.. |
| 11:20.40 | Dewi | sep: hehe |
| 11:20.43 | Dewi | sep: you're as bad as me |
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| 11:20.49 | Dewi | sep: I can never remember a bloody thing I do with debian |
| 11:20.49 | mhall | Dewi: confusingly, you seem to be praising me for a link i didn't send |
| 11:20.58 | Dewi | sep: I'm pretty sure I ask the same questions in here with 6 month intervals |
| 11:21.01 | jm_ | I wish FreeNX could be used like plain X11 apps : DISPLAY=foo bla |
| 11:21.04 | mhall | Dewi: but because i'm spacy it took me until now to realize |
| 11:21.08 | Dewi | sep: this week I finally started to get in the habit of making a wiki entry for everything I do |
| 11:21.14 | Dewi | in fact, speaking of that |
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| 11:21.26 | mhall | Dewi: wasting time on #debian ought to be there then eh |
| 11:21.33 | Dewi | openbsd has this wonderful anal-retentive thing that scans my files, emails me diffs, and complains about my configuration from a security standpoint |
| 11:21.36 | mhall | Dewi: and misattributing to mhall |
| 11:21.40 | Dewi | anything I can drop into debian to make it whine like this? |
| 11:21.41 | sep | Dewi, i think i should make myself a factoid talling me what i am doing.. that way i can check it every day. :) |
| 11:21.47 | mhall | Dewi: er. tripwire? |
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| 11:22.36 | Dewi | mhall: ... okay I'll shut up now. |
| 11:22.44 | Dewi | mhall: that's the most obvious name in the world and I didn't check |
| 11:22.48 | sep | Dewi, logcheck give you nagging email about log anomalities |
| 11:22.57 | mhall | Dewi: lol don't be so hard on yourself |
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| 11:23.12 | mhall | Dewi: i often ask because i know somebody will know quickly |
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| 11:23.30 | Dewi | mhall: I nearly said "... sort of like a kind of *tripwire*..." |
| 11:23.33 | sep | Dewi, with tripwire and logcheck youll be ignoring your email in a week's time tops |
| 11:23.37 | mhall | Dewi: apt-cache search the keyword right now |
| 11:23.40 | cheal | dpkg: nvidia-graphics-drivers is <reply> See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 11:23.40 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 11:23.47 | Dewi | sep: hey, openbsd sent me 1000 mail in 8 hours once |
| 11:23.51 | mhall | Dewi: there are several choices listed |
| 11:23.52 | Dewi | sep: it couldn't be worse than that |
| 11:23.57 | cheal | dpkg: ngd is <reply> see nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 11:23.57 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 11:24.06 | cheal | !nvidia |
| 11:24.06 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 11:24.17 | Dewi | sep: basically it emailed me about a problem, but my ADSL was down, so it bounced, and then it tried to bounce that to me, and I got a lovely great big bouncebomb |
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| 11:24.32 | sep | Dewi, were you working on getting email autoreply to work.. i filled a 300 GB partition with a vacation script... |
| 11:24.43 | sep | hehehe |
| 11:24.47 | Dewi | sep: it's just a natural consequence of forwarding mail off-server |
| 11:24.57 | Dewi | sep: in future I'm just going to bite the bullet and set up SMTP |
| 11:24.58 | mhall | sep: 300G! omfgwtfbbq!!!!1111!!!111!!11!1 |
| 11:25.18 | fireba11 | sep lol ... did set it up in 5 minutes, what were you doing ? :-) |
| 11:25.24 | sep | mhall, it was my testing box and it just stood there doing that bouncety bouncety while i was on a trip |
| 11:25.27 | jm_ | eww, procmail examples show how to do it properly |
| 11:25.28 | noid | 7quit |
| 11:25.31 | cheal | dpkg: no, nvidia is <reply> DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 11:25.32 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 11:25.32 | sep | i just reinstalled it |
| 11:25.34 | noid | wops |
| 11:25.41 | sep | that's the nice thing about testing boxes :) |
| 11:25.41 | mhall | sep: harsh, what about rm -rf |
| 11:25.55 | sep | mhall, naw wanted to test something else :) |
| 11:25.56 | ootput | is there another signing key for secure-testing.debian.net? |
| 11:26.05 | ootput | apparently ziyi's 2005-7 is causing errors |
| 11:26.06 | mhall | the problem is sometimes you need to learn how to fix it without reinstalling so you can work on prod boxes properly though |
| 11:26.09 | Dewi | sep: speaking of that... you know when you're monitoring a mailing list over a christmas, and a number of accounts bounce a vacation message around the same time? |
| 11:26.24 | seeeS | i just used the nvidia kernel packages and the x driver from apt |
| 11:26.25 | Dewi | sep: am I the only person tempted to spoof an email From one of those addresses, To another? |
| 11:26.43 | sep | most sane scripts should not bounce more then once tho... |
| 11:26.44 | fireba11 | Dewi: if they do properly and set bulk header, nothing happens at all ^^ |
| 11:26.47 | Dewi | sep: in fact you don't need to spoof |
| 11:26.52 | Dewi | you just use a reply-to |
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| 11:27.07 | Dewi | of course if it's a smart vacation script it won't send to the same address more than once, or occasionally |
| 11:27.17 | Dewi | but I bet some of them don't keep state |
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| 11:27.40 | fireba11 | Dewi: likely .. ^^ |
| 11:28.18 | sep | fireba11, it's more like vacation for virtual users with vacation message in mysql |
| 11:28.34 | fireba11 | sep: yay |
| 11:29.23 | sep | when you have to much to do. the trick is to ignore the problems and waste time on irc :) |
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| 11:29.27 | ootput | has anyone (with etch and security-testing) successfully updated? |
| 11:29.39 | fireba11 | sep: tell me .. i'm at work |
| 11:29.51 | sep | gives you atlest 10 more years to live instead of falling under the desk from a stroke :) |
| 11:29.57 | sep | me too |
| 11:30.29 | sep | !does not work |
| 11:30.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 11:30.49 | sep | It beeing me, and yes it wastes it time on irc. please help |
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| 11:31.06 | sep | i woudnt mind more money either tho... |
| 11:31.18 | mhall | do more work then |
| 11:31.41 | sep | mhall, wife want me home at night :) |
| 11:31.57 | fireba11 | sep: still i managed to improve things here a LOT in the last half year i'm working here .. i just have to cope with old hardware that is sufficient but unreliable |
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| 11:32.03 | mhall | sep: tell her she has to keep up with the market ;-) ;-) |
| 11:32.08 | feanor- | hi |
| 11:32.20 | mhall | feanor-: n8 |
| 11:32.28 | feanor- | i have some trouble getting my wireless network which is with wep encyrypted work |
| 11:32.50 | feanor- | my wirless card is working fine without any encryption |
| 11:32.51 | mhall | feanor-: yes; getting those to work is non trivial |
| 11:32.57 | mhall | feanor-: what card is it? |
| 11:33.00 | sep | mhall, as long as i get the jumpstart in the morning im good :) |
| 11:33.18 | mhall | feanor-: and what did you try to get it to work |
| 11:33.23 | feanor- | i have this intel stuff... uhm ... |
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| 11:33.26 | Claudiu | how can i get firefox 1.5 in testing? |
| 11:33.40 | mhall | Claudiu: backport |
| 11:33.44 | feanor- | damn |
| 11:33.59 | Claudiu | backport works also for testing? |
| 11:34.07 | feanor- | ah |
| 11:34.11 | feanor- | centrino |
| 11:34.25 | feanor- | this card with 54 mbit/s |
| 11:34.55 | feanor- | one moment please |
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| 11:35.25 | mhall | Claudiu: it's probably in there already |
| 11:35.38 | Claudiu | it's not in testing, i'm telling you |
| 11:35.41 | Claudiu | using it |
| 11:35.50 | seeeS | heh, i am on the nvidia howto website reading about X crashes when guess what happens :) |
| 11:36.11 | Claudiu | mhall: i am using testing and all i have is 1.0.7 |
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| 11:36.17 | madjpm | plop |
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| 11:36.31 | mhall | Claudiu: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/f/firefox/ |
| 11:36.34 | madjpm | j'ai un p'tit prob d'install d'un service web, j'un un lien à la racine de mon site /var/www/link mais forcement apache prends pas le php quand c'est des lien et ca me propose de sauvegarder le .php quand je vais desssus |
| 11:36.52 | mhall | Claudiu: it doesn't hurt to use 'older' debian's packages on new debian |
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| 11:37.02 | mhall | Claudiu: as long as it's not some core package like ... libc etc. |
| 11:37.04 | Claudiu | mhall: i see, make sense |
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| 11:37.41 | rage | Mmmm, libc6 has caused me so many headaches in the past |
| 11:37.57 | mhall | rage: ? |
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| 11:38.18 | cat | hi |
| 11:38.21 | blondie | mew |
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| 11:38.32 | feanor- | ok, sorry |
| 11:38.42 | Skrot | Hi. Is it possible to use a computer with a WLan card as a wireless ap? :) |
| 11:38.52 | rage | I had an older version of libc6 as I had some programs that broke on the newer version |
| 11:38.57 | feanor- | mhall, do you know which wireless interface i mean |
| 11:38.58 | feanor- | ? |
| 11:38.58 | petemc | Skrot: with some chipsets |
| 11:39.16 | Skrot | petemc: What kind of features does it need to support such? |
| 11:39.26 | rage | Long since fixed anyway :-) |
| 11:39.35 | petemc | Skrot: not sure, i only remember it being done with prism cards tho |
| 11:39.49 | feanor- | i tried my wireless adapter with a network without encryption and it worked fine |
| 11:39.49 | petemc | Skrot: check out hostap, i think its called |
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| 11:40.05 | Skrot | petemc: Okay. Thanks :) |
| 11:40.20 | feanor- | now i did it with wep encryption |
| 11:40.31 | rage | Skrot: yeah, generally can only be done with prism2 chipset cards, I think so work is getting done with the intel ipw2200 but I dont know of any progress on that front |
| 11:40.35 | feanor- | and i modified my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:40.49 | Skrot | rage: hmm, okay. I've got a acx 100 |
| 11:40.49 | feanor- | ah before this i install xsupplicant |
| 11:40.56 | mhall | feanor-: dude, what the hell, you need to try the commands by hand |
| 11:41.04 | mhall | feanor-: and you don't use xsupplicant |
| 11:41.14 | rage | Skrot: yeah, probably not possible |
| 11:41.16 | mhall | feanor-: you either need nothing if it's WEP or wpasupplicant |
| 11:41.28 | mhall | feanor-: and configuring this shit is one huge bitch of a disaster |
| 11:41.36 | Skrot | rage: I see :( |
| 11:41.37 | feanor- | mhall, ok... |
| 11:41.54 | mhall | feanor-: i got a working config finally but not even all of my supposed WPA capable cards even work with the working config |
| 11:42.07 | mhall | feanor-: even though the WPA config has nothing card-specific in it |
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| 11:42.29 | feanor- | mhall, but why do you talk about wpa i use wep |
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| 11:42.33 | blondie | mhall have a lie down |
| 11:42.41 | mhall | feanor-: THEN WHY THE FUCK DID YOU INSTALL XSUPPLICANT |
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| 11:42.50 | mhall | feanor-: if all you need is WEP then it's simple |
| 11:43.01 | feanor- | mhall, this could be a mistake of me |
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| 11:43.33 | Claudiu | mhall: from marilla, are there any codecs for mplayer? |
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| 11:43.45 | feanor- | mhall, can i get access to my network with only modify my /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 11:43.57 | feanor- | do i need any other software ? |
| 11:44.12 | mhall | feanor-: iwconfig eth0 key 0123-4567-89 |
| 11:44.18 | djp | does dpkg maintain a log anywhere of packages installed, removed, purged? |
| 11:44.20 | mhall | feanor-: please try it by hand first |
| 11:44.31 | jm_ | djp: are you using sid/testing? |
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| 11:44.32 | mhall | feanor-: you don't need weird software to use WEP, support is built in |
| 11:45.02 | djp | jm_, no i'm using sarge stable |
| 11:45.35 | mhall | feanor-: uninstall all of that stuff and try it with the manual normal tools |
| 11:45.44 | feanor- | mhall, ok i did a iwconfig eth1 key my-key |
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| 11:46.00 | mhall | feanor-: now try iwconfig eth1 essid <ssid> |
| 11:46.08 | ootput | has anyone (with etch and security-testing) successfully updated? |
| 11:46.09 | mhall | feanor-: and iwlist scan |
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| 11:46.25 | feanor- | mhall, i uninstalled xsupplicant |
| 11:46.33 | mhall | feanor-: then if that works use ifconfig eth1 or dhclient eth1 to set an IP address |
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| 11:46.44 | mhall | feanor-: and try pinging something, google.de for example |
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| 11:47.46 | jm_ | djp: then no, it was added in version 1.13.9 |
| 11:48.03 | djp | does it not keep a log under sarge stable jm_? |
| 11:48.03 | djp | oh sorry thanks jm_ |
| 11:48.19 | jm_ | djp: but aptitude does |
| 11:48.29 | feanor- | mhall, ok i got an ip address for my wireless adapter |
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| 11:48.37 | mhall | feanor-: ping google.de |
| 11:49.10 | xrgtn | I can't just delegate subdomain in bind 9 by adding NS RR. But this works if I create corresponding subzone in named.conf (and make parent server slave for the subzone). |
| 11:49.13 | lord_rob | Hi ! I cannot upgrade xserver-xorg to 6.9 : dpkg says "unable to create `./usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so': No such file or directory". I had to remove official nvidia drivers because version 7174 conflicts with xserver-xorg 6.9 and 8174 doesn't support my old geforce 2, and I suspect this is the problem ... Can anyone help me for this problem ? |
| 11:49.19 | feanor- | mhall, this won't be good because i'm connect to the internet with my ethernet adapter too |
| 11:49.26 | feanor- | this is how i can talking to you ,-) |
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| 11:49.35 | mhall | feanor-: as long as your default route is set to ethernet you are ok |
| 11:49.40 | mhall | feanor-: hold on one sec, ok |
| 11:49.52 | djp | jm_, i suppose my only trace of any actions regards dpkg, could possibly be logged under auth.log if the sudo command was used? |
| 11:49.53 | feanor- | ok |
| 11:49.56 | jm_ | lord_rob: did you install nvidia drivers using Debian's method? |
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| 11:50.06 | mhall | feanor-: ping -I eth1 google.de will make it attempt the ping over eth1 |
| 11:50.06 | netgrunt | hi there! |
| 11:50.06 | jm_ | djp: no idea, I don't use sudo |
| 11:50.34 | lord_rob | jm_: yes |
| 11:50.42 | jm_ | lord_rob: tried touch ./usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so ? |
| 11:50.49 | feanor- | mhall, From noname (192.168.178.37) icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 11:50.49 | jm_ | or rather /usr/... |
| 11:50.54 | netgrunt | I want to prevent my users to leave idle open ssh sessions. How can I control that ? It's sshd duty ? or bash ? or iptables ? Does anybody can give me advice ? thanks! |
| 11:51.08 | lord_rob | jm_: lemme try |
| 11:51.11 | mhall | feanor-: alright, what about if you ping 192.168.178.37 |
| 11:51.19 | mhall | feanor-: with -I eth1 of course |
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| 11:51.32 | mhall | feanor-: also, what is 192.168.178.37 the address of> |
| 11:51.38 | feanor- | mhall, this works |
| 11:52.02 | jm_ | netgrunt: tried autolog or timeoutd? |
| 11:52.07 | mhall | feanor-: is it the address of a router or of the wireless card itself? |
| 11:52.33 | feanor- | mhall, i think this is the wireless card itself |
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| 11:52.37 | mhall | feanor-: :-/ |
| 11:52.43 | mhall | feanor-: check with ifconfig eth1 |
| 11:52.51 | feanor- | mhall, checked it is |
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| 11:53.05 | netgrunt | jm_, nope, I don't know what are they, I suppose they're daemons (that means installing new software). Isn't there anyother simple way ? like a bash variable or a sshd_config parameter ? |
| 11:53.11 | mhall | feanor-: can you ping the wireless card IP from the ethernet? |
| 11:53.11 | lord_rob | jm_: same problem. Isn't the "./usr" strange ? Shouln't it be "/usr" (no dot) ? |
| 11:53.36 | feanor- | mhall, ping -I eth0 192.168.178.37 failed |
| 11:53.52 | mhall | feanor-: ok, that's a little weird |
| 11:53.56 | feanor- | but ping -I eth1 192.168.178.37 worked |
| 11:54.23 | mhall | feanor-: problem is, ping from it back to itself doesn't do much good |
| 11:54.42 | Phated | ip_forward and routes? |
| 11:54.58 | mhall | feanor-: feanor- you probably need to experiment with the routing table |
| 11:55.13 | mhall | feanor-: and consider trying just your wireless and disconnecting your ethernet |
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| 11:55.35 | mhall | feanor-: but in general once you get the right settings it should be possible to activate the card from interfaces |
| 11:55.53 | mhall | feanor-: another thing, check the iwconfig eth1 for invalid crypt on your packets |
| 11:56.02 | mhall | feanor-: which could indicate the key is not set correctly |
| 11:57.00 | feanor- | mhall, i have it |
| 11:57.12 | mhall | feanor-: you have which? |
| 11:57.25 | feanor- | mhall, i had some stuff in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:57.30 | mhall | feanor-: you have got to be sure that encryption key is right |
| 11:57.33 | feanor- | which i copied from internet |
| 11:57.44 | feanor- | some definitions like freq channel etc |
| 11:57.55 | feanor- | i deleted this |
| 11:57.57 | mhall | feanor-: hmm that could mess stuff up |
| 11:58.03 | mhall | feanor-: is it working yet? |
| 11:58.06 | feanor- | made an /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:58.24 | feanor- | then iwconfig eth1 key my-key |
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| 11:58.37 | feanor- | then iwconfig eth1 essid my-essid |
| 11:58.51 | feanor- | thendhclient eth1 |
| 11:59.04 | mhall | feanor-: na cool, funktioniert's schon? |
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| 11:59.15 | feanor- | after that ping -I eth1 google.d |
| 11:59.22 | feanor- | and then it worked |
| 11:59.25 | mhall | feanor-: w00t |
| 11:59.28 | feanor- | puh.... |
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| 11:59.51 | smacky_wolf | Germans! :D |
| 12:00.02 | feanor- | but i still wondering about that there is no need to set such thinks linke channel, freq.... |
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| 12:00.09 | feanor- | smacky_wolf, ;-) |
| 12:00.23 | mhall | feanor-: jetzt sollste interfaces mit 'man interfaces' verbessern und dann ist die Sache erledigt |
| 12:00.36 | feanor- | mhall, moment |
| 12:01.14 | chigvan | hello |
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| 12:01.20 | blondie | remind me in 1.5 hours to move IRC |
| 12:01.32 | blondie | oops |
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| 12:01.50 | mhall | feanor-: na ja, einfach brauchste normalerweise solche einstellungen nicht weil die radio die eigenschaften selbst konfigurieren kann |
| 12:02.01 | mhall | smacky_wolf: sprichste deutsch? |
| 12:02.29 | rage | yes he does |
| 12:02.34 | rage | and he just disappeared |
| 12:02.38 | rage | to get socks... |
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| 12:02.56 | mhall | feanor-: und was das geraet selbst herausfinden kann, das ist besser als was du selbst machen kannst |
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| 12:03.11 | mhall | rage: how did you find that out |
| 12:03.28 | rage | he's sitting about 1 meter away from me |
| 12:03.36 | mhall | lol |
| 12:03.37 | feanor- | mhall, klar, aber wenn ich die einstellungen in /etc/network/interfaces mache, bekomme ich zwar eine ip aber ich komme nicht mit einem ping raus |
| 12:03.38 | smacky_wolf | mhall: kann ich, ja. aber es ist nicht meine muttersprache |
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| 12:04.28 | feanor- | mhall, ich habe: auto eth1 ; iface eth1 inet dhcp ; wireless_key restricted my-key ; wireless_essid my-essid |
| 12:04.32 | mhall | feanor-: ja du brauchst default route angeben |
| 12:04.52 | feanor- | hm ? |
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| 12:05.12 | mhall | feanor-: das heisst gateway <ip> |
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| 12:05.30 | mhall | feanor-: uups, ich schrieb was fehlerhaftes |
| 12:05.46 | mhall | feanor-: mit DHCP brauchste das nicht, ich habe missgelesen |
| 12:05.58 | mhall | feanor-: hier ist das problem mit dhcp |
| 12:06.00 | EdLin | !de |
| 12:06.00 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 12:06.23 | mhall | feanor-: you can't have two dhcp interfaces active at one time very easily |
| 12:06.25 | DevilChaos | hi does anyone here keep a record or log of what was on the channel over the last twelve hours need the site that pipeline gave me i bookmarked it in mozilla and cant find it |
| 12:06.34 | mhall | feanor-: each overwrites the others' default routes |
| 12:06.50 | bluenail | And I was having fun trying to remember enough high school german to follow that too... |
| 12:06.51 | mhall | feanor-: so in order for the wireless to start working you will need to ifdown your ethernet |
| 12:06.57 | feanor- | mhall, but i have eth0 deactivated in my interfaces file |
| 12:07.01 | DevilChaos | it was to do with 3com isa network card in not ill google it |
| 12:07.09 | mhall | feanor-: but problem is, you are talking over it now |
| 12:07.16 | feanor- | ah ok |
| 12:07.16 | mhall | feanor-: which means if you look at route -n |
| 12:07.18 | rage | food |
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| 12:07.22 | DevilChaos | if not sorry |
| 12:07.24 | feanor- | so ill be back soon ;-) |
| 12:07.25 | mhall | feanor-: the default route is still over the ethernet |
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| 12:07.43 | mhall | feanor-: so, try ifconfig eth0 down ; ifconfig eth1 down |
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| 12:08.54 | crypt_ex | which file is responsible for change the prompt, ie user@hostname: ? |
| 12:08.55 | mhall | rage: so how much german can smacky_wolf speak |
| 12:08.59 | feanor- | mhall, i'm talking with my wireless adapter to you =) |
| 12:09.02 | smacky_wolf | A lot. |
| 12:09.03 | mhall | feanor-: haha, w00t |
| 12:09.10 | mhall | smacky_wolf: where did you learn it |
| 12:09.11 | AM|R | hi how to extract file.bz2 format |
| 12:09.21 | smacky_wolf | I'm basically flunt, I just get grammar wrong a lot. |
| 12:09.24 | mhall | AM|R: bunzip2 |
| 12:09.24 | remedy | AM|R: bunzip |
| 12:09.29 | feanor- | mhall, thanks for your help |
| 12:09.31 | mhall | smacky_wolf: sweet |
| 12:09.33 | smacky_wolf | I lived near Kiel for a year. |
| 12:09.36 | mhall | feanor-: sure |
| 12:09.40 | noiesmo | AM|R, tar xvjf |
| 12:09.41 | smacky_wolf | *fluent, even |
| 12:09.52 | mhall | smacky_wolf: i'm good with grammar but don't have quite enough vocab |
| 12:09.59 | feanor- | mhall, i'm very sure, i unplugged my ethernet adapter ;-) |
| 12:10.09 | smacky_wolf | Well, if we pool our resources, I guess we win :D |
| 12:10.11 | mhall | smacky_wolf: though i'm ok when online since i get references |
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| 12:10.19 | mhall | !win smacky_wolf |
| 12:10.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, smacky_wolf! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 12:10.23 | mhall | !win mhall |
| 12:10.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, mhall! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 12:10.25 | AM|R | error |
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| 12:10.32 | AM|R | ok thanks |
| 12:10.32 | mhall | smacky_wolf: w00t! we is t3h h4x0r |
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| 12:10.50 | smacky_wolf | XD :D |
| 12:10.58 | feanor- | ok i'm late |
| 12:11.02 | mhall | feanor-: just send me some fresh Veltin's pilsener |
| 12:11.02 | feanor- | bye |
| 12:11.15 | feanor- | mhall, ihhh.. no |
| 12:11.16 | deadline_ | is somebody using x11vnc? i cant click/interact with a vnc session. only viewing is possible. anybody an idea how to fix that? |
| 12:11.32 | mhall | feanor-: lol i was joking |
| 12:11.33 | AM|R | cant |
| 12:11.33 | feanor- | mhall, you need some darmstaedter beer ;) |
| 12:11.43 | mhall | feanor-: ok send that then :-) |
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| 12:12.01 | feanor- | mhall, ok, give me your email address ;-) |
| 12:12.10 | smacky_wolf | I want Holsten Pilsner again. :) |
| 12:12.21 | mhall | smacky_wolf: mmm deutsches bier |
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| 12:12.39 | pinkisntwell | anyone has gotten sound to work on xmame-sdl? |
| 12:12.48 | smacky_wolf | Or some such. |
| 12:12.49 | mhall | smacky_wolf: aber leider probierte ich nicht genug wein, eigentlich war ich damals ein holzkopf |
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| 12:13.07 | smacky_wolf | Wood..head? |
| 12:13.10 | netgrunt | is there anyway I can reattach (being root) to a dettached screen session of a regular user ? (Note : I'm not asking this for snooping, privacy invading or hacking stupid things) |
| 12:13.19 | mhall | smacky_wolf: yeah it's a mild insult, you know, like blockhead |
| 12:13.20 | AM|R | hi how to extract file.bz2 format |
| 12:13.36 | noiesmo | pinkisntwell, i use xmame-sdl and sound works but didnt do anything special i have creative sound blaster card |
| 12:13.40 | smacky_wolf | Ah. Never heard it o.o. My favourite has to be kohlkopf. |
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| 12:13.54 | mhall | smacky_wolf: it's the closest there is to shithead because scheisskopf doesn't exist |
| 12:13.55 | pinkisntwell | noiesmo: it doesn't work for me..... any ideas? |
| 12:14.08 | mhall | smacky_wolf: my favorite is: |
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| 12:14.14 | smacky_wolf | People generally get the gist, however. XD |
| 12:14.24 | mhall | smacky_wolf: dir hat man wohl ins gehirn geschissen und vergessen umzuruehren |
| 12:14.35 | smacky_wolf | XD Yeah. That wins. |
| 12:14.55 | noiesmo | pinkisntwell, are you getting sound thru xmame.x11 or xmame maybe see xmame rc file |
| 12:15.01 | mhall | smacky_wolf: i got this elite book of insults auf deutsch |
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| 12:15.13 | smacky_wolf | Excellent :) |
| 12:15.29 | noiesmo | pinkisntwell, you get sound aother apps |
| 12:15.30 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.38 | pinkisntwell | noiesmo: yes, other sdl apps work fine |
| 12:15.43 | jmd | What's going on? |
| 12:15.44 | jm_ | mhall: does it contain foxtail insult? |
| 12:15.53 | mhall | jm_: ? |
| 12:15.58 | jm_ | mhall: Den Arm aus dem Fenster das Radio an, draussen haengt ein Fuchsschwanz dran! |
| 12:16.01 | smacky_wolf | Argh, I should try and fix this system. Windows makes my face :( |
| 12:16.08 | mhall | smacky_wolf: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0452272211/ref=sr_11_1/104-6768871-4519169?%5Fencoding=UTF8 |
| 12:16.24 | mhall | smacky_wolf: i quit using windows because i couldn't deal with it anymore |
| 12:16.30 | mhall | smacky_wolf: it pissed me off much too much |
| 12:16.38 | smacky_wolf | It pisses me off, too. |
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| 12:16.54 | mhall | smacky_wolf: so what was the end result of your sock run |
| 12:17.03 | smacky_wolf | Even if I can barely use a command line, I would still rather use Linux. |
| 12:17.13 | smacky_wolf | I don't have cold feet any more :) |
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| 12:17.59 | smacky_wolf | Ooh, the Wicked German book that comes with is cool. My friend had it. |
| 12:18.51 | pinkisntwell | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.52 | mhall | smacky_wolf: mmm CLI is h4x0r |
| 12:19.12 | mhall | smacky_wolf: i came up with this beautiful one-off to clean my pr0n collection |
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| 12:19.22 | smacky_wolf | It wins. But I don't know how to use it yet. |
| 12:19.32 | sergiio | POLOMO |
| 12:19.48 | sergiio | OLA |
| 12:19.56 | rage | I love some of the strange one-line shell scripts I come up with :-) |
| 12:20.01 | ootput | hi guys, i'm experiencing errors with apt-get update (fails with invalid signatures for security-testing, and testing/unstable repos) http://channels.debian.net/paste/1546 |
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| 12:20.17 | mhall | rage: yeah i'm gonna go dig this one up because it's too good |
| 12:20.19 | mhall | brb, all |
| 12:20.26 | rage | okay :-) |
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| 12:23.04 | Coweater | ootput: there is no security-updates for testing and /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 12:24.13 | sep | !testing security |
| 12:24.13 | dpkg | well, testing security is Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 12:24.14 | jm_ | heh |
| 12:24.14 | ootput | Coweater: it was functioning properly yesterday |
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| 12:24.36 | jm_ | there's a mailing list too |
| 12:24.55 | ootput | i'll try ziyi's 2006 |
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| 12:26.02 | AM|R | where can i find bunzip2? |
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| 12:26.42 | jelly | AM|R: "bzip2 -d"? |
| 12:26.51 | mhall | pr0n organization command: counter=0; for file in *; do mv $(printf "$file %03d.jpg\n" $counter); ((counter++)); done; |
| 12:27.10 | ootput | nice |
| 12:27.42 | rage | hehe |
| 12:27.57 | mhall | smacky_wolf: whaddaya think of that |
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| 12:28.06 | jelly | mv with one argument? |
| 12:28.22 | mhall | jelly: reread that printf |
| 12:28.36 | jelly | oh sorry, the shell will expand the results. |
| 12:28.51 | mhall | jelly: double quotes ;-) |
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| 12:30.04 | jelly | mhall: I usually write that mv $file $(stuff) so I didn't notice at first. |
| 12:30.38 | rage | smacky is eating :-) |
| 12:30.41 | mhall | jelly: well, never use a big command when a diminutive one will suffice ;-) |
| 12:30.46 | jelly | mhall: actually mv "$file" "$(stuff)"... what with whitespace in filenames and all. |
| 12:30.52 | mhall | jelly: and, when in doubt, obfuscate |
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| 12:31.17 | mhall | jelly: but yeah i'll revise it with your fixes |
| 12:31.47 | jelly | mhall: what if a file is named %d.gif ? ;-) |
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| 12:31.48 | mhall | is smacky a particular aussie term or something |
| 12:31.52 | mhall | i hadn't heard it |
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| 12:32.17 | mhall | jelly: i'll patch that format overflow right now |
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| 12:32.25 | jelly | lol |
| 12:32.37 | rage | I dont think its a particular aussie term |
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| 12:32.57 | rage | not sure why he's named smacky |
| 12:32.57 | RichiH | does anyone have a reasonably new kodak digicam and can tell me if they are usb mass storages devices or at the least are supported by gphoto2? |
| 12:33.02 | mhall | jelly: of course in C code i'm a lot more pathological |
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| 12:33.18 | mhall | jelly: always i use printf("%s", some_var) |
| 12:33.20 | smacky_wolf | I don't really know. Just that I needed a username a couple of years ago, so I came up with this. And it stuck, I gues. |
| 12:33.28 | noiesmo | RichiH, kodak uses ptp protocal look at using ptpcam |
| 12:33.37 | mhall | smacky_wolf: so it was drug-induced or something |
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| 12:33.44 | RichiH | noiesmo: will do, ta |
| 12:33.54 | smacky_wolf | Nah, just.... random |
| 12:34.07 | mhall | RichiH: our one and only latenite chanop |
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| 12:34.10 | mhall | RichiH: how goes it |
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| 12:35.27 | RichiH | mhall: it's in the middle of the day and good |
| 12:35.52 | mhall | RichiH: for me it's 0435 ;-) |
| 12:36.33 | RichiH | 1336 |
| 12:36.47 | mhall | RichiH: 1337 is coming, w00t |
| 12:36.49 | smacky_wolf | 23:36 |
| 12:37.07 | mhall | and i just got done with 0420 |
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| 12:37.51 | Heroin | hi i cant load mkreiserf -udeb while installing Debian |
| 12:38.02 | Heroin | Failed to file from CDROM retry? |
| 12:38.06 | Heroin | yes... = fail |
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| 12:39.01 | deadline_ | nobody can help me out with x11vnc? |
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| 12:39.27 | Heroin | hi i cant load mkreiserf -udeb while installing Debian |
| 12:39.43 | mhall | Heroin: it's god telling you not to use reiserfs |
| 12:39.45 | jm_ | Heroin: stop repeating - if it can't read from a CD, then use one that works |
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| 12:40.06 | Koudelkaa | is there a xfce package on apt? |
| 12:40.15 | mhall | sweet, i could see the asian chars in dacheng's message |
| 12:40.20 | streuner_ | Koudelkaa: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:40.23 | mhall | so i guess UTF8 is working ok for me now |
| 12:40.34 | mhall | scytheman: n8 |
| 12:40.59 | scytheman | n8 mhall :) |
| 12:41.15 | Eclipser | !n8 |
| 12:41.15 | dpkg | it has been said that n8 is a term used commonly by German speakers to indicate "good night"; 8 is "acht" in german, and "nacht" is "night" |
| 12:41.18 | Sonny | Hi guys!! Can somebody tell me which packages do I need to install HT(Hyper-Threading) support? (smp) |
| 12:41.19 | Eclipser | pft |
| 12:41.38 | Eclipser | Sonny, smp kernel perhaps? |
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| 12:42.15 | Heroin | so i should just remake the disk? |
| 12:42.18 | mhall | Eclipser: lol |
| 12:42.23 | Eclipser | !lol |
| 12:42.23 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 12:42.39 | mhall | Eclipser: tittybiscuits |
| 12:42.45 | mhall | this is a tough crowd |
| 12:42.49 | smacky_wolf | !aol |
| 12:42.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aol is for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
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| 12:42.58 | mhall | CleeK: floe : n8 |
| 12:43.01 | smacky_wolf | :D |
| 12:43.13 | CleeK | mhall : ? |
| 12:43.14 | chbug | hi. I'm trying to configure hibernate to suspend to disk on a kernel 2.6.15 (standard debian). I just cannot find what I'm supposed to do so that the saved state is restored. when I power on again, I just boot afresh... |
| 12:43.43 | chbug | is there a bit of magic I need to setup or should it be automatic? |
| 12:43.49 | liable | chbug: you need a kernel line stating where the image is saved.. |
| 12:43.56 | liable | chbug: read the docs. |
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| 12:44.22 | Sonny | Eclipser: I know, but I think I need more packages, Am I wrong? |
| 12:44.31 | petemc | Sonny: its a kernel thing |
| 12:44.38 | petemc | !ht |
| 12:44.38 | dpkg | [ht] Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it. |
| 12:44.51 | Sonny | headers, smp, etc ??/ |
| 12:44.55 | Shadowcat | chbug: you can't hibernate with the standard debian kernel |
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| 12:45.00 | mhall | CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY?!?! that doesn't sound too fuckin good |
| 12:45.06 | jm_ | heh |
| 12:45.10 | skiter | I have a print server configured on cups with stations windows 98... It's print but the job don't quit the job line... |
| 12:45.21 | Shadowcat | hahaha labotomy |
| 12:45.26 | liable | oh, shit that reminds me, i need to get lilo to work with my hibernate.. |
| 12:45.39 | mhall | is that a troll? cause it only shows up in #debian logs |
| 12:45.56 | jm_ | mhall: seems to be |
| 12:46.09 | chbug | liable: I just found doc in the kernel sources. tx |
| 12:46.35 | liable | chbug: np |
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| 12:47.02 | chbug | Shadowcat, what would be the problem? it seems to start the hibernate problem pretty well, it's waking up that was not working :-) |
| 12:47.03 | liable | Shadowcat: even the latter ones dont? |
| 12:47.06 | skiter | I have a print server configured on cups with stations windows 98... It's print but the job don't quit the job line... what it can be? |
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| 12:49.12 | lodder | hello |
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| 12:50.03 | liable | chbug: do you have something like resume=swap:blah or somesuch appended to kernel line? |
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| 12:50.40 | mhall | chbug: if you are hibernating you better try suspend2 from suspend2.net |
| 12:51.17 | chbug | liable: not yet, that was certainly my problem. as the grub menu is generated, is there a way to ensure the restore=... is added? |
| 12:51.28 | jm_ | yes |
| 12:51.35 | ootput | not one of you have experienced errors when updating etch? |
| 12:51.41 | liable | chbug: add it to groot or kopt, i forget |
| 12:51.51 | mhall | ootput: what sort |
| 12:51.58 | jm_ | chbug: man update-grub |
| 12:52.13 | ootput | mhall: key errors (not related to nopubkey in /topic) |
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| 12:52.14 | liable | oh no, defoptions |
| 12:52.32 | mhall | ootput: paste one |
| 12:52.33 | ootput | mhall: everything worked fine this morning |
| 12:52.48 | ootput | mhall: i did earler. i'll try to find the link |
| 12:52.54 | mhall | ootput: what changed |
| 12:53.18 | ootput | nothing.. the system has been off since the last successful update |
| 12:53.58 | Sonny | So to install SMP, I need just the kernel-headers and the kernel-image ? |
| 12:53.59 | ootput | mhall: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1546 |
| 12:54.24 | liable | Shadowcat: just the kernel, unless you are gonna build shit aginst it. |
| 12:54.31 | liable | Sonny: ^^ |
| 12:54.36 | liable | Shadowcat: sorry |
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| 12:54.56 | liable | i got bad nicktab foo lately.. :( |
| 12:55.00 | ootput | mhall: secure-testing has the latest key which is set to expire in '08 |
| 12:55.44 | mhall | ootput: try new mirror, shouldn't use mirror signed with obsolete key |
| 12:55.55 | Heroin | a p3 has the i386 architecture right? |
| 12:56.07 | liable | 686 |
| 12:56.08 | mhall | Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) ***** ootput |
| 12:56.17 | mhall | anyway g2g, very tired |
| 12:56.20 | mhall | nite all |
| 12:56.25 | ootput | mhall: that's what bugs me though. secure-testing shouldn't have failed alongside the other repo |
| 12:56.31 | ootput | sure |
| 12:56.41 | Heroin | liable: what do u mean 686? |
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| 12:56.46 | Sonny | liable: ?? |
| 12:56.54 | Heroin | <Heroin> a p3 has the i386 architecture right? |
| 12:56.54 | Heroin | <liable> 686 |
| 12:56.59 | liable | Heroin: for kernel you want 686 |
| 12:57.22 | liable | Sonny: ^^ means look up... |
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| 12:57.57 | Heroin | iam very noob.. so which architecture do i need? |
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| 12:58.15 | liable | Heroin: i was assuming that, that was what you were reffering too.. |
| 12:58.19 | noiesmo | liable, you forgot the i i686 haha |
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| 12:58.27 | liable | ... |
| 12:58.55 | Heroin | there doesnt seem to be a i686 download section >S |
| 12:58.57 | chbug | ok, I'll give this a try... |
| 12:59.01 | Heroin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.06 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 12:59.08 | Shadowcat | stupid |
| 12:59.13 | liable | Heroin: in that case, 386 |
| 12:59.17 | Heroin | yes iam stupid |
| 12:59.17 | streuner_ | Heroin: i386 |
| 12:59.25 | Heroin | ok just making sure cuz i got an error |
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| 12:59.36 | Shadowcat | I wasn't referring to you Heroin |
| 12:59.40 | Shadowcat | I was referring to liable :P |
| 12:59.50 | Heroin | o ok :P |
| 12:59.59 | liable | Shadowcat: fuck you very much :P |
| 13:00.18 | streuner_ | Heroin: what kind of error? |
| 13:00.20 | Heroin | i failed to load an install component... anyway around this? or just make another copy ? |
| 13:00.21 | Shadowcat | no thanks liable, I have standards :P |
| 13:00.40 | streuner_ | Heroin: did you verify the CD itself? |
| 13:00.54 | Heroin | urm.. |
| 13:01.08 | Heroin | nero said it was fine O=] |
| 13:01.26 | streuner_ | well, enable writing in nero |
| 13:01.34 | streuner_ | verify* |
| 13:02.03 | ootput | Heroin: or the md5sum itself |
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| 13:02.28 | Heroin | ok hold on.. windows2000 is booting again =X |
| 13:03.01 | Gumby | anyone here that is good with sed? I need help with a small script that will rename directories and files recursively. The script changes blank spaces to indercores in both files and directories. |
| 13:03.01 | Heroin | debian netinstall is such a fuckin great idea.. :D |
| 13:03.03 | ootput | ah, you just introduced a whole host of potential problems into the equation |
| 13:03.28 | Heroin | ootput: i sure did didnt i |
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| 13:03.45 | ootput | Gumby: mate, i have a neat perl script that'll do the trick, if you're interested |
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| 13:03.51 | jm_ | Gumby: use mmv, rename, mrename or GUI tools instead, |
| 13:03.53 | Heroin | HA HA HA |
| 13:03.56 | Heroin | it worked this time |
| 13:04.01 | Heroin | nvm |
| 13:04.04 | nk | hi theer. just installed debian sarge 3.1 and surprisingly it did install lilo instead of grub |
| 13:04.05 | NOthsouth | how can I set a SMTP server ?? .. is just like install one package with apt ? |
| 13:04.06 | Heroin | false hope |
| 13:04.07 | ootput | Gumby: actually, two perl scripts :) |
| 13:04.07 | Alexander12 | salve a tutti |
| 13:04.09 | nk | do I have to the choice on setup? |
| 13:04.15 | Alexander12 | qualcuno parla italiano? |
| 13:04.21 | Shadowcat | !it |
| 13:04.21 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 13:04.30 | Gumby | ootput: that'd be great |
| 13:04.39 | Heroin | is mkreiserfs essential to intall debian? |
| 13:04.49 | nk | no Heroin |
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| 13:04.57 | Heroin | its not? so i can skip it? |
| 13:04.58 | Gumby | Heroin: not if you dont use reiserfs filesystems |
| 13:05.06 | liable | i spose it depends if you want ricerfs |
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| 13:05.13 | Heroin | i dont know what it is.. |
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| 13:05.23 | Heroin | like i said iam noob wanne mess around with linux get some knowledge |
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| 13:05.33 | ootput | Gumby: dcc receive |
| 13:05.39 | Shadowcat | Gumby: in other words, YES IT IS necessary :P |
| 13:05.49 | Gumby | Shad0wcat: lol, not for me |
| 13:05.52 | kernelfx | salve a tutti!!!!!!! |
| 13:06.01 | Gumby | ootput: I did :( firewall issues I gues |
| 13:06.01 | Gumby | s |
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| 13:06.10 | ootput | i'll passive |
| 13:06.10 | Heroin | o PCMCIA cards... start or no? |
| 13:06.29 | Gumby | Heroin: is it for a laptop? |
| 13:06.32 | snowbird_ | liable |
| 13:06.35 | liable | Heroin: depends on the chipset. |
| 13:06.37 | liable | snowbird_: |
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| 13:06.48 | snowbird_ | did u get my msg |
| 13:06.49 | Gumby | ootput: probably timed out |
| 13:06.51 | lodder | hello |
| 13:06.56 | liable | snowbird_: no |
| 13:07.00 | lodder | i'm having a small problem |
| 13:07.10 | snowbird_ | ok here |
| 13:07.11 | ootput | Gumby: ok, passively thist ime |
| 13:07.12 | JKL_ | hi. i try to boot with pxe but it doesnt find boot file. my dhcp.conf looks like http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en#tftp-images in 4.6.2.1. dhcp server works. i have /tftpboot and there that pxelinux.0 file |
| 13:07.13 | Gumby | there we go |
| 13:07.15 | Gumby | thx |
| 13:07.30 | ootput | Gumby: lc.pl * -r for all recursively |
| 13:07.44 | Gumby | allthough I am really close to getting this silly bash script to work I am sure. lol. its super simple |
| 13:08.02 | Gumby | I'm curious to see what I did wrong |
| 13:08.03 | ootput | Gumby: oh, you didn't want lowercase conversions, did you? |
| 13:08.07 | ootput | Gumby: silly me |
| 13:08.11 | Gumby | ootput: naw |
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| 13:08.29 | lodder | i upgraded my kernel to 2.6.15 and when i boot now i get ALERT /dev/hdc2 does not exist. Droppin to a shell. I have already changed fstab but i still get te error pls tell me where i can adjust the file that is giving the error |
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| 13:08.50 | ootput | Gumby: you can delete/comment the relevant lines in the script |
| 13:08.57 | liable | lodder: yep, its in sources.lst, change it to stable.. :P |
| 13:08.59 | Slaughter | hi |
| 13:09.02 | Slaughter | i need some of help .. |
| 13:09.03 | Heroin | ok a failed burn i see |
| 13:09.15 | ootput | Gumby: line 68 |
| 13:09.19 | Slaughter | how is it to know a MAC with arp? |
| 13:09.19 | lodder | liable: i don't want to run stable it's a testing box |
| 13:09.21 | Shadowcat | lodder: is this a custom kernel or debian kernel? |
| 13:09.38 | Slaughter | ping IP && arp -a doest work:_( |
| 13:09.41 | lodder | Shadowcat: a linux-image from debian |
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| 13:09.43 | Gumby | ootput: great. thank you. I will have a look at it |
| 13:09.46 | Koudelkaa | what kernel is it on debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso? |
| 13:09.52 | Shadowcat | lodder: ok, why are you running unstable to begin with? |
| 13:09.58 | nk | does sarge come with lilo or grub? |
| 13:10.03 | Koudelkaa | is there a package list to it? |
| 13:10.10 | ootput | nk: either |
| 13:10.17 | ootput | afaik |
| 13:10.19 | Shadowcat | Koudelkaa: 2.6.8 |
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| 13:10.29 | Koudelkaa | ok |
| 13:10.30 | nk | ootput: do I have to choose on startup? I installed lilo, but do want to have grub. reboot the installation disk? |
| 13:10.43 | lodder | Shadowcat: for testing purpose and i use a programm that needs unstable |
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| 13:10.58 | ootput | nk: i think you're able to apt-get install grub at a later date |
| 13:11.11 | nk | ootput: i did, but the isntallation to the mbr fails |
| 13:11.14 | Shadowcat | !tell lodder about unstable |
| 13:11.26 | liable | Koudelkaa: 2.4.27 is default, 2.6.8 with linux26 boot prompt |
| 13:11.27 | Shadowcat | then you should know and expect that it doesn't work |
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| 13:11.52 | lodder | Shadowcat: i know what unstable is |
| 13:12.05 | lodder | i only wanne know how i can solve this problem |
| 13:12.45 | lodder | it's something verry strang booting now in knoppix to have a look at a few config files |
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| 13:12.59 | streuner_ | Koudelkaa: if you new a newer kernel, just get etch installer (2.6.12) or beta etch installer (2.6.15) |
| 13:13.04 | liable | lodder: and i presume the only thing you did, was upgrade the kernel? |
| 13:13.12 | asperon | how would i go about installing the JRE/JDK on my debian server, is it available via apt-get? |
| 13:13.21 | streuner_ | Koudelkaa: s/new/need/ |
| 13:13.30 | lodder | liable: i upgrade my kernel and adjusted my fstab |
| 13:13.41 | liable | lodder: why did you adjust fstab? |
| 13:13.44 | lodder | because now it's sda instead of hdc |
| 13:13.59 | kernelfx | hello at all!!! a new user |
| 13:14.06 | resiak | lodder: but you didn't update your grub config, did you/ |
| 13:14.11 | liable | lodder: so did you fix menu.lst? |
| 13:14.11 | lodder | no |
| 13:14.14 | jm_ | asperon: read the topic |
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| 13:14.44 | Shadowcat | umm |
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| 13:14.57 | Shadowcat | installing a linux image updates grub automatically |
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| 13:15.11 | liable | Shadowcat: man update-grub |
| 13:15.13 | kernelfx | debian rulez |
| 13:15.28 | lodder | liable: thx solved it |
| 13:15.34 | lodder | i guesse i forgot it |
| 13:15.37 | resiak | Shadowcat: Not if the name of the disk's device has changed... |
| 13:15.39 | liable | lodder: sweet |
| 13:15.48 | Shadowcat | resiak: ok noted |
| 13:16.12 | kernelfx | boys... who help me to install nvidia-driver for debian o.s.?? |
| 13:16.14 | Shadowcat | lodder: just so you know in the future, bugs.debian.org |
| 13:16.29 | Shadowcat | lodder: there's a ton of bugs filed against that kernel |
| 13:16.37 | lodder | liable: now i have another errror i need an decent how to on nvidia in debian |
| 13:16.44 | jm_ | kernelfx: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 13:16.45 | resiak | !tell lodder -about nvidia howto |
| 13:16.47 | cheal | streuner_: FYI, d-i etch beta 1 uses 2.6.12 |
| 13:16.52 | lodder | Shadowcat: i know i had already check there |
| 13:16.54 | liable | lodder: sorry, no idea for that stuffs |
| 13:16.59 | kernelfx | ok..ok |
| 13:18.01 | Koudelkaa | i think nvidia was easy to install |
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| 13:18.25 | kernelfx | the problem: nvidia-driver don't found the header of the kernel.. the header? |
| 13:18.36 | kernelfx | in usr/src/ |
| 13:18.48 | Heroin | goddamn |
| 13:18.51 | liable | kernelfx: sarge? |
| 13:19.05 | kernelfx | yes.. sarge.. liable |
| 13:19.21 | liable | kernelfx: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 13:19.30 | kernelfx | ok.. i try now |
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| 13:21.06 | kernelfx | okokok..ok liable the header it's ok.. now go in promt and i try to install.. to later |
| 13:21.16 | kernelfx | thank you |
| 13:21.23 | jm_ | I bet he's trying to run their installer |
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| 13:21.38 | liable | prolly |
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| 13:22.01 | cliente3 | debian[ |
| 13:22.48 | sander | anyone know how I can build .deb files..? |
| 13:23.01 | Coke | what is the server name for lastseen? |
| 13:23.09 | jm_ | seenserv? |
| 13:23.13 | cliente3 | daniela |
| 13:23.24 | cliente3 | brazil |
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| 13:23.30 | liable | !br |
| 13:23.30 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:23.30 | pumpkin0 | Coke: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html |
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| 13:23.49 | pumpkin0 | sander: : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html |
| 13:23.52 | bibe | sander : apt-get install dpkg-dev; man dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:23.55 | cliente3 | bay |
| 13:24.02 | Coke | jm_: yeah, that was it. thanks |
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| 13:25.41 | liable | jieter: remeber my bios/grub problem? what was your suggestion again? --boot-device?? |
| 13:25.43 | sander | thanks.. and after i've modified a few .deb packages.. how can I create a .iso out of it.. so its easy to install on any server? |
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| 13:25.50 | liable | jm_: ^^^ |
| 13:25.56 | liable | jieter: sorry |
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| 13:26.03 | JKL_ | i try pxe boot. i got pxe-e32 tftp open timeout. what shuold i do? |
| 13:26.17 | jieter | jieter: I thought I was the one with problems |
| 13:26.20 | jm_ | liable: no, the 'd' flag |
| 13:26.32 | liable | jm_: thanks |
| 13:26.48 | jm_ | liable: let me see if grub-install uses it by default |
| 13:26.53 | Vindevogel | Hi, i deleted the /var/lib/postgres directory .... I want to reinstall pg, but when I do apt-get remove and apt-get install, the datadirectory is not recreated. How can I do that ? |
| 13:27.25 | liable | jm_: thats --device-map? |
| 13:27.40 | liable | no.. |
| 13:27.47 | liable | that doesnt make sense.. |
| 13:28.17 | jm_ | liable: naah, that's to re-create device.map file |
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| 13:28.33 | Vindevogel | Hi, i deleted the /var/lib/postgres directory .... I want to reinstall pg, but when I do apt-get remove and apt-get install, the datadirectory is not recreated. How can I do that ? |
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| 13:28.58 | Heroin | Yah thanks for everyone who helped me :D it seem i installed debian correctly! |
| 13:29.09 | Serajewe1KS | Vindevogel: apt-get purge, then apt-get install |
| 13:29.13 | stream | Vindevogel, try to purge postgres first make sure all config is gone |
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| 13:30.38 | Vindevogel | apt-get purge postgresql-8.1 does not work |
| 13:30.38 | liable | jm_: i cant find the d flag. |
| 13:31.10 | jm_ | liable: it's only doable if you use install command, i.e. not the easy way |
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| 13:31.56 | bibe | Vindevogel : use 'apt-get remove --purge' or 'aptitude purge' |
| 13:31.58 | jm_ | liable: it automatically uses 'd' flag if installation drive and image device differ |
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| 13:32.06 | liable | jm_: grub-install or just grub? |
| 13:32.51 | jm_ | liable: just grub and then run install command manually, but first copy fresh stage? files to /boot |
| 13:33.11 | liable | jm_: i normally run grub, just with grub, and do the root, setup thing. |
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| 13:34.21 | liable | jm_: hrm, yeah, i actually removed my stage files and started from scratch, didnt help. think i'm gonna be up for a lappie mobo soon :( |
| 13:35.04 | jm_ | liable: something like this -- install (hd0,0)/boot/grub/stage2 d (hd0) (hd0,0)/boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 p |
| 13:35.44 | jm_ | liable: change 0,0 to a suitable string and make sure you have copied fresh stage? files to /boot/grub (from /lib/grub/i386-pc) |
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| 13:36.05 | cusco | hi.. |
| 13:36.05 | cusco | W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
| 13:36.11 | cusco | how do I add this key? |
| 13:36.15 | bbrazil | cusco: /topic |
| 13:36.26 | cusco | bbrazil: thats another key if you notice |
| 13:36.40 | liable | jm_: oh, right. alrighty, i'll try that. (tomorrow, bout to hit the hay) thanks. |
| 13:36.47 | Heroin | during the first time run of debian: i have a couple of packages.. now what is the WEBSERVER package? |
| 13:36.47 | bbrazil | cusco: same method should do it, else get it off their website |
| 13:37.01 | bbrazil | Heroin: apace2 is one of them |
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| 13:37.10 | bbrazil | *apache2 - there's a few variants |
| 13:37.14 | Heroin | bbrazil thanks you thats all i needed 2 know (K) |
| 13:37.43 | cusco | bbrazil: you don't seem to understand |
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| 13:38.22 | liable | jm_: where did you gleam this info from? |
| 13:38.23 | edrin | how to run eclipse on debian? |
| 13:38.27 | kernelfx | X liable: fantastic! run 3D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:38.31 | kernelfx | thank yuo |
| 13:38.33 | jm_ | liable: about the 'd' flag? |
| 13:38.33 | kernelfx | yuo |
| 13:38.35 | kernelfx | you |
| 13:39.04 | liable | jm_: well, that string.. |
| 13:39.10 | jetscreamer | what does the d flag do |
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| 13:39.34 | jm_ | liable: ohh that was the only way to install GRUB for years - I am using GRUB for a very long time, before it was packaged for Debian |
| 13:39.45 | shadow98 | which is better porsentery or snort? |
| 13:40.24 | LillDude_10 | liable |
| 13:40.29 | Heroin | how should i do the mail system? |
| 13:40.29 | smacky_wolf | Mmmmm.. Is snort any good? |
| 13:40.31 | dimir | jm_: no there is a 'setup' command that does that. |
| 13:40.34 | liable | jm_: hrm, never seen that kind of syntax for it before, and i have read pretty much the whole of grub info at one time or another. |
| 13:40.37 | dimir | s/no/now/ |
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| 13:40.55 | dimir | setup (hd0) - and there you go. |
| 13:41.07 | jm_ | dimir: like I said, setup embeds stage1.5 and also only uses d flag if installation device and image devices differ |
| 13:41.08 | shadow98 | just try to get opinions |
| 13:41.11 | dimir | don't forget to give 'root' first. |
| 13:41.26 | Vindevogel | why is nothing in debian working out of the box !! I'm trying to setup pg with pureftpd ..... I can't get pureftpd to validate the users. I have checked all the queries, .... |
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| 13:41.47 | jm_ | liable: help for install command is still there, but it's deprecated and normally using setup or grub-install is enough - I am just so used to it it's not a hassle for me |
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| 13:42.11 | shadow98 | Vindevogel: i havent had any problems w/ my pureftp setup |
| 13:42.19 | JKL_ | how do i see if my tftp server is running and where is it config file? |
| 13:42.26 | jetscreamer | what i like is how the hd0 changes depending on what you booted from |
| 13:42.41 | tarzeau | JKL_: maybe /etc(/default/ |
| 13:42.47 | tarzeau | JKL_: netstat -na ? |
| 13:42.47 | jm_ | JKL_: man tftpd - it's typically started from inetd |
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| 13:42.56 | Vindevogel | shadow: first of all: all the queries in postgresql.conf are invalid !! |
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| 13:43.05 | shadow98 | Vindevogel: i just followed this how to....http://www.howtoforge.com/pureftpd_mysql_virtual_hosting |
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| 13:43.20 | liable | jm_: sweet. old grub source docs have this stuff? |
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| 13:43.50 | LillDude_10 | liable get my msg? |
| 13:44.03 | jm_ | liable: even the current version has it |
| 13:44.08 | JKL_ | tarzeau: netstat -na | grep ftfp didnt get any resoults. is not running? |
| 13:44.14 | shadow98 | any opinions on snort vs portsentry? |
| 13:44.16 | liable | jm_: oh. |
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| 13:44.19 | Kilhd | Hi.. is there a way so a normal user can perform commands such as "apt-get install n" without having to su root everytime? |
| 13:44.31 | tarzeau | JKL_: no, leave away n in -na |
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| 13:45.01 | jetscreamer | Kilhd: sudo |
| 13:45.16 | JKL_ | tarzeau: netstat -a | grep tftp and no results |
| 13:45.27 | Heroin | ok |
| 13:45.32 | Kilhd | Thanks. |
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| 13:45.51 | Heroin | so iam logged in as root.. how do i go to my desktop? |
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| 13:46.04 | jetscreamer | log in as $USER ? |
| 13:46.08 | jetscreamer | or type startx |
| 13:46.17 | JKL_ | /etc/init.d/inetd reload gives no errors |
| 13:46.26 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 13:46.35 | jetscreamer | restart |
| 13:46.41 | Vindevogel | For pg: when I'm user "postgres" via su postgres, I can get to the database .... When I'm root and I do "psql -U postgres -W ..." I get an Ident problem, what's that for a problem ? There's only one fkng user defined |
| 13:47.01 | jetscreamer | type 'id' |
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| 13:47.11 | maxxle | I'm using Posix Message queues in an application. Can I find them somewhere in /proc or /sys? I want to check the permissons |
| 13:47.13 | JKL_ | and i have tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd in.tftpd /tftpboot line in inetd.conf |
| 13:47.35 | jm_ | JKL_: so just check if it's listening on that port and you're all set |
| 13:47.54 | JKL_ | netstat -a | grep tftp and no results |
| 13:48.04 | JKL_ | means that its not running? |
| 13:48.10 | Heroin | start: command not found |
| 13:48.21 | jetscreamer | startx |
| 13:48.27 | Heroin | startx: command not found |
| 13:48.39 | azeem | Heroin: did you install x-window-system? |
| 13:48.42 | pumpkin0 | Vindevogel: psql tries to switch to that user. but the user does not have a password set. So the normal changes fails. only root can change into a useraccount w/o password |
| 13:48.43 | jetscreamer | then you don't have ^^ |
| 13:48.44 | jm_ | yes, it means it's not listening |
| 13:48.45 | kernelfx | you don't have install x-server |
| 13:48.47 | tarzeau | don't forget -core |
| 13:48.48 | JKL_ | jm_: i dont know how to do that |
| 13:48.54 | tarzeau | feels like in #dopewars |
| 13:48.55 | jetscreamer | apt-get install x-window-system might help |
| 13:48.59 | tarzeau | Heroin? |
| 13:49.03 | jm_ | JKL_: netstat is the right command |
| 13:49.06 | azeem | tarzeau: that implies -core AFAIK |
| 13:49.07 | Heroin | well i ran for teh first time and i loaded up the first option: which was something like desktop enviroment |
| 13:49.09 | troyme | did "gtk2-engines-gtk-qt" black menu fixed?? |
| 13:49.21 | jetscreamer | tasksel |
| 13:49.29 | jetscreamer | yuck |
| 13:49.39 | Heroin | = problem? |
| 13:49.45 | Vindevogel | pumpkin: that's not how it is executed .... I run "psql -U postgres -W ...;" as root, It does not do an SU in that case, it mimics the credentials |
| 13:49.59 | tarzeau | Heroin: no, i just would'nt want to try it |
| 13:50.00 | jetscreamer | no it's just that it adds a lot of bloat/kruft imo |
| 13:50.21 | pumpkin0 | Vindevogel: how can it mimics credentials then there is no password ? |
| 13:50.37 | Heroin | jetscreamer: i dont want bloat... so reinstall? |
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| 13:50.55 | shermhead | anyone up in here? |
| 13:50.58 | Vindevogel | pumpkin: it uses a sort of authentication against PG |
| 13:51.00 | Heroin | i just want to run apache2+forums, and yes iam noob |
| 13:51.15 | jetscreamer | Heroin: that's beyond me. i like to low level format hd's so don't ask me that one |
| 13:51.33 | liable | shermhead: no |
| 13:51.41 | Heroin | ok well .. iam going to read some faqs about what to do now |
| 13:51.43 | Heroin | brb |
| 13:51.48 | azeem | Heroin: you installed desktop-environment |
| 13:51.48 | jetscreamer | Heroin: you 'shouldn't' have to reinstall |
| 13:51.57 | shermhead | question: its been a while but, im trying to run squid on port 80 and its refusing connections. Something to edit in squid.conf or whats the system file that sets what incoming connections are allowed |
| 13:51.58 | azeem | Heroin: what do you want to deinstall? |
| 13:51.58 | jetscreamer | just --purge some stuff |
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| 13:52.07 | jetscreamer | azeem: his kruft |
| 13:52.17 | Kilhd | jet: sudo pass isnt root pass? |
| 13:52.19 | liable | !connection refused |
| 13:52.19 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 13:52.28 | azeem | jetscreamer: yeah, well, everybody has a different opinion on what is kruft :) |
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| 13:52.59 | shermhead | Question: What is the default firewall for debian and where are the configuration files |
| 13:52.59 | jetscreamer | Kilhd: no, you edit /etc/sudoers, and add yourself to the sudoers group, after man sudo |
| 13:53.00 | pumpkin0 | Vindevogel: it does say:psql: FATAL: IDENT authentication failed for user XYZ ? |
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| 13:53.17 | liable | shermhead: read what dpkg just said. |
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| 13:53.30 | liable | shermhead: there is no default firewall per sya.. |
| 13:53.33 | liable | say. |
| 13:53.34 | Kilhd | I did add myself to the sudoers in that file. |
| 13:53.35 | Vindevogel | pumpkin: yes. Until I change the pg_hba.conf to "trust" instead of "ident sameuser" |
| 13:53.52 | jm_ | Vindevogel: yes, you need to tinker with pg_hba.conf to get it to work |
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| 13:54.11 | Heroin | ok the FAQ didnt help... i just want to boot to a desktop... |
| 13:54.13 | shermhead | liable : could this be fixed with inetd.conf something like that? |
| 13:54.18 | Heroin | iam in User.. |
| 13:54.39 | noiesmo | shermhead, ps ax | grep squid see if squid running the you could nmap the box to see open ports |
| 13:54.42 | Vindevogel | jm: When I set it to "trust", I can supply any password to it, it all works |
| 13:54.54 | jetscreamer | Heroin: apt-get install x-window-system , and startx should function... then you can figure out what is kruft later, and uninstall it |
| 13:55.02 | JKL_ | i think my tftp server doesnt run. how to enable it? |
| 13:55.03 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 13:55.12 | jm_ | Vindevogel: right, I think that's normal |
| 13:55.16 | ailas | HI. is there anybody who successfully boot debian ppc64 (powerpc64/netboot64) from tftp ? I can load kernel, but after that a i'm getting "Can't claim malloc buffer" ... ? |
| 13:55.16 | liable | shermhead: is squid running? |
| 13:55.42 | ailas | using yaboot |
| 13:55.44 | noiesmo | shermhead, ps ax | grep squid see if squid running |
| 13:55.57 | azeem | ailas: I guess there are few ppc64 experts in here |
| 13:56.22 | ailas | azeem: i don't know where can i post such question |
| 13:56.26 | Vindevogel | jm: well, when i try to authentice in pureftpd, it still gives me the same error "authentication failed" |
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| 13:56.32 | shermhead | k |
| 13:56.35 | azeem | ailas: dunno if there is #debian-ppc or #debian-powerpc |
| 13:56.45 | Vindevogel | jm: so either the queries suck or there's a problem for pureftpd to get to the db |
| 13:56.45 | jetscreamer | !ppc |
| 13:56.45 | dpkg | i guess ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
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| 13:56.55 | azeem | ailas: are you tring to boot debian-installer? |
| 13:56.59 | shermhead | root 9186 0.0 1.9 4420 1172 ? Ss 13:56 0:00 squid |
| 13:57.30 | jm_ | Vindevogel: pureftpd? that relies on PAM for authentication |
| 13:57.32 | liable | shermhead: netstat -plunt |
| 13:57.48 | Vindevogel | jm: not with the package pure-ftpd-postgresql installed |
| 13:58.24 | ailas | azeem: by tftp? i need boot kernel first |
| 13:58.25 | jm_ | Vindevogel: in that case it probably has its own tables with userinfo - can it even connect to psql? |
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| 13:58.54 | shermhead | liable : on that command only listening service is sshd |
| 13:58.55 | Vindevogel | jm: those tables are there, i created a database with entries for it |
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| 13:59.06 | jm_ | Vindevogel: yes, I don't doubt that, but can it connect? |
| 13:59.06 | liable | shermhead: then squid isnt listening.. back to the config with you! |
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| 13:59.14 | azeem | ailas: well, just wondering. Then you could try #debian-boot as well |
| 13:59.25 | ailas | thx for infos |
| 13:59.27 | shermhead | liable : roger ill read up on it some more |
| 13:59.51 | Vindevogel | jm: well, taht's what I'm trying to do .... it did work, until we got a HD crash and all got reinstalled. I even got the old /etc files here, but I'm missing a link to get it working |
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| 14:00.11 | jm_ | Vindevogel: strace should show if it can or not |
| 14:00.58 | smacky_wolf | Well. I'm off to try and get Debian to run on this lappy |
| 14:01.06 | smacky_wolf | Catch you guys in a bit. |
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| 14:01.20 | Vindevogel | jm: how do i use that ?` |
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| 14:01.38 | liable | shermhead: i would try and help debug, but i know fuck all about squid :) |
| 14:01.45 | jm_ | Vindevogel: by attaching to the running process - but you'll need to know how to read the output too |
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| 14:02.09 | jm_ | liable: you need to edit config file so clients can connect |
| 14:02.34 | liable | jm_: well, duh! :) |
| 14:03.06 | shermhead | liable : I just noticed that when I run squid like 10 secs later it goes away by itself.. only real editing I did was http_port internal addy:80 |
| 14:03.46 | liable | shermhead: try -vv or debug, whatever squids options are.. |
| 14:04.13 | noiesmo | shermhead, http_port xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:80 |
| 14:04.15 | liable | shermhead: as i say, i cant really help you, other than pointing out that it wasnt actually running :) |
| 14:04.33 | Heroin | FATAL ERROR while starting X |
| 14:04.46 | Heroin | failed to initialize core devices |
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| 14:05.44 | aidehua | When trying to download 'http://ftp.uk.debian.org//debian/pool/main/t/tcl8.3/tcl8.3_8.3.5-4_i386.deb' on my PC, wget just hangs. It works for ftp.debian.org. It works if I use different machines on the same network (sarge, FreeBSD). I've tried switching Squid off, and disabling http_proxy and HTTP_PROXY environment variables, to no avail. Even in single user mode it won't download. |
| 14:05.47 | noiesmo | Heroin, read /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 14:06.07 | NachPlus | I need to turn off my computer, but it's in middle of doing some operations which can't be paused... is it possible to save state (hibernate)? |
| 14:06.08 | Vindevogel | jm: when i try to login, it gives stuff in the strace (connected to pure-ftpd-postg and afterwards to postmaster) |
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| 14:06.25 | aidehua | strace> good idea! |
| 14:06.53 | jm_ | Vindevogel: yup, and you should check what it does in there |
| 14:07.05 | shermhead | Jan 13 14:06:21 shermux squid[9320]: /var/spool/squid/00: (2) No such file or directory |
| 14:07.05 | shermhead | Jan 13 14:06:21 shermux squid[9320]: ^IFailed to verify one of the swap directories, Check cache.log ^Ifor details. Run 'squ$ |
| 14:07.05 | shermhead | Jan 13 14:06:21 shermux squid[9305]: Squid Parent: child process 9320 exited due to signal 6 |
| 14:07.06 | shermhead | Jan 13 14:06:21 shermux squid[9305]: Exiting due to repeated, frequent failures |
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| 14:07.25 | shermhead | sorry |
| 14:07.27 | Vindevogel | jm: certainly nothing readable |
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| 14:07.40 | jm_ | Vindevogel: it is if you know how to interpret it ;) |
| 14:07.47 | eps | any one know when python2.3-gnome2-extras will be fixed? (using sid) |
| 14:07.58 | liable | shermhead: please learn from that experience, and DONT FUCKING DO IT AGAIN! :) |
| 14:08.11 | shermhead | I tried to paste it in a message window just to you lol |
| 14:08.22 | jm_ | that's almost as bad |
| 14:08.30 | liable | shermhead: no, dont /msg people either. /topic |
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| 14:08.39 | shermhead | ok |
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| 14:08.49 | Vindevogel | jm: k ;-)) |
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| 14:08.56 | shermhead | liable : so do you think I can just make those directories? |
| 14:09.10 | jm_ | shermhead: no, how are you starting squid? |
| 14:09.20 | Heroin | noiesmo: there is no error log |
| 14:09.26 | shermhead | jm_ : "squid" |
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| 14:09.30 | jm_ | shermhead: wtf |
| 14:09.38 | jm_ | shermhead: invoke-rc.d squid start |
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| 14:10.15 | Heroin | O.o |
| 14:10.17 | liable | shermhead: sorry, no idea. your config is obviously fucked, or something, listen to jm_ |
| 14:10.17 | eps | is invoke-rc.d the same as /etc/init.d/squid start ? |
| 14:10.23 | Heroin | d00d i need to get the desktop started |
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| 14:10.36 | jm_ | eps: man invoke-rc.d :) |
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| 14:11.02 | eps | classy jm_ :P |
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| 14:11.07 | liable | !drxx Heroin |
| 14:11.08 | dpkg | Heroin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:11.12 | eps | that shall save me _a lot_ of time in future :D |
| 14:11.24 | shermhead | jm_ : that worked.. squid is listening now but error I get trying to use proxy is access control config prevents u from making requests at this time |
| 14:11.26 | lamp___ | what do i need so kde direct see i plug in a usb stick hotplug is installed. Do i need udev |
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| 14:11.44 | jm_ | shermhead: that's what I said earlier - you need to edit the config file and allow access for local clients |
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| 14:12.31 | shermhead | jm_ : looking into that.. im trying to use it from work |
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| 14:12.41 | shermhead | jm_ : er from my work address |
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| 14:13.23 | jm_ | shermhead: trying to SNEAK PAST TO BUN??? |
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| 14:13.35 | sandman | Why would running a wiki under zope be better than running a wiki along? |
| 14:13.41 | shermhead | jm_ : i dunno just trying to goto myspace at work hhaa |
| 14:13.55 | shermhead | jm_ : ima look at /etc/hosts I guess |
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| 14:14.03 | jm_ | shermhead: no it's defined in squid.conf |
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| 14:14.20 | shermhead | jm_ : ok ill keep looking I have ADD |
| 14:14.43 | Vindevogel | JM: This is all very disappointing for a slackware user ..... |
| 14:14.50 | jm_ | Vindevogel: how so? |
| 14:15.04 | Vindevogel | jm: things should work .... |
| 14:15.15 | Heroin | argh |
| 14:15.19 | jm_ | Vindevogel: they work when configured properly |
| 14:15.49 | Vindevogel | jm: they should just work, that's why those packages exist ... when you install them, the config should be done by them |
| 14:16.30 | Heroin | its not working |
| 14:16.32 | jm_ | Vindevogel: not always - I never messed with that, I use vsftpd so I can't comment |
| 14:16.40 | Heroin | can someone remotly setup everyrthing for me with root? |
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| 14:17.27 | azeem | Heroin: why do you need X, didn't you say you want apache+something? |
| 14:17.33 | Heroin | yes |
| 14:17.36 | Heroin | but man iam noob |
| 14:17.37 | azeem | maybe I confuse you with somebody else |
| 14:17.42 | azeem | Heroin: so skip X |
| 14:17.44 | Heroin | no thats me |
| 14:17.58 | Heroin | but i rather want a interface.. |
| 14:17.59 | Vindevogel | jm: and all the config files are splattered all over the disks, so is the pg data |
| 14:18.12 | Heroin | cuz i dont know how i would do it otherwise |
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| 14:18.25 | xchg | hi |
| 14:18.29 | azeem | Heroin: I am not sure there is an X interface to do what you want |
| 14:18.36 | azeem | Heroin: what do you want to do exactly again? :) |
| 14:18.50 | Heroin | ok this is the plan: |
| 14:19.13 | Heroin | i want to run Websites forums.. then if that works i would like email aswell |
| 14:19.20 | Heroin | just mainly websites and forums atm |
| 14:19.35 | jm_ | Vindevogel: no it's not, it's in /etc/postgresql and in the data dir |
| 14:19.47 | jvw | Heroin: run, or use? |
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| 14:19.56 | Heroin | i think iam going to reformat and reinstall >.< iam sure i FOBAR the comp |
| 14:20.00 | jvw | Heroin: that's a big different |
| 14:20.01 | Heroin | run |
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| 14:20.11 | jvw | Heroin: did you already choose what software to use? |
| 14:20.16 | Heroin | so my friends can send me websites |
| 14:20.18 | Heroin | and forums |
| 14:20.28 | Heroin | Debian ^^ :P and well apache2 |
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| 14:20.30 | jvw | Heroin: and btw, reinstalling wont help |
| 14:20.34 | Heroin | and phpbb boards |
| 14:20.48 | jm_ | he'll get owned in no time ;) |
| 14:20.50 | jvw | Heroin: ah, how about you install the 'phpbb2' package then, and read its readme? |
| 14:20.58 | Vindevogel | jm: no, sorry, the config files are in /postgresql and /postgresql-common and the data dir is under /var/lib ??? |
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| 14:21.12 | jm_ | Vindevogel: no, certainly not in Debian |
| 14:21.30 | Vindevogel | jm: want me to copy past my /etc ? |
| 14:21.35 | jvw | Heroin: well, actually... if you want to run forums, you should know a bit about how to set it up, because otherwise, you'll run a severe risk of misconfigurating something and getting all kinds of problems |
| 14:21.46 | jm_ | Vindevogel: no need to, I know how it looks here |
| 14:21.52 | Heroin | ive run IIS from my windows desktop |
| 14:21.56 | Vindevogel | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Jan 13 14:32 pgdata -> /var/lib/postgresql/8.1/main |
| 14:22.11 | Heroin | it just that linux seems fun and intresting but its being a bitch |
| 14:22.13 | jvw | Heroin: running a service like forums requires some basic understanding of how web services work |
| 14:22.31 | Heroin | well if i have a desktop i think everyrthing will become easier |
| 14:22.41 | Heroin | i mean i run a website from my desktop with iis like i said |
| 14:22.59 | Heroin | but i dont like the whole type in what u wanne do thing :P |
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| 14:24.13 | liable | why does chanserv -o me on a channel i open? |
| 14:24.18 | shermhead | jm_ : im not really smart.. just for test I did http_auth allow all and it works.. if I try to specify a mask to allow it goes on about acl crap |
| 14:24.35 | azeem | Heroin: you don't run websites from desktops, you run them from web servers |
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| 14:24.38 | blondie | liable: someone else has registered that channel? |
| 14:24.55 | Heroin | azeem.. i run it from my Desktop computer... which acts like a webserver |
| 14:24.59 | liable | blondie: oh, is that why? |
| 14:25.00 | Coke | Heroin: Linux is the kernel. |
| 14:25.10 | blondie | liable: yes |
| 14:25.12 | jm_ | shermhead: don't allow everyone to connect |
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| 14:25.17 | azeem | Heroin: do you plan to use it for other stuff than running the forum? |
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| 14:25.18 | blondie | liable: well, probably |
| 14:25.34 | Coke | Heroin: what desktop you choose has little to do with the kernel you're running. there are several desktops available for GNU-based systems. |
| 14:25.44 | shermhead | jm_ : I know that . I looked through it and cant figure out how to allow only one ip to use it.. says need to define acl |
| 14:25.48 | beastieb | hi, i'd like to extend a raid device. is that possible? |
| 14:25.50 | azeem | Coke: I think you are just confusing him here |
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| 14:26.16 | jm_ | shermhead: read about it on squid web page |
| 14:26.16 | Heroin | coke i understand there is gnome and xdesktop |
| 14:26.32 | shermhead | jm_ : roger |
| 14:26.36 | Coke | Heroin: there's also XFCE, KDE and the possibility of using no desktop environment at all. |
| 14:26.40 | Heroin | i want the smaller less demanding processor 1 |
| 14:26.55 | beardy | Coke: You'll only upset yourself, trust me. |
| 14:26.57 | Heroin | Coke: i do NOT want a no desktop enviroment |
| 14:27.07 | Coke | azeem: no, setting people straight is not confusing them. allowing them to deceit themselves is confusing. |
| 14:27.15 | Heroin | coke: it confuses the shizzle out of me and the letters tell me to kill myself |
| 14:27.34 | azeem | Heroin: I really think you should figure out what you want to do with the computer |
| 14:27.37 | Heroin | ok as i read Xdesktop is a standert and easy desktop |
| 14:27.45 | azeem | Heroin: do you want to use it for stuff besides running your forum |
| 14:27.52 | azeem | like surfing the web or writing email? |
| 14:27.58 | Heroin | nope |
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| 14:28.07 | Heroin | just hosting sites and forums |
| 14:28.15 | azeem | Heroin: then there is absolutely no gain in having a desktop on it |
| 14:28.27 | Coke | Heroin: I've heard that KDE is the easier one to adapt to if you're a Windows user. |
| 14:29.01 | Coke | Heroin: XFCE is, however, has a more simplistic aproach which is much appreciated by people new to computers and who have no bias. |
| 14:29.07 | Heroin | azeem that would apear treu, but its just that no-desktop is one linux pill which i rather not swallow right now |
| 14:29.09 | beastieb | hi, can i enlarge a RAID-1 partition? |
| 14:29.18 | shermhead | jm_ : thanks man my dumbass got it now! just had to define it acl poop ip and then do allow poop |
| 14:29.19 | azeem | Heroin: can you SSH into your box? |
| 14:29.24 | jm_ | shermhead: indeed |
| 14:29.33 | azeem | Heroin: well anyway, you installed the desktop environment, no? |
| 14:29.36 | azeem | so just use it |
| 14:29.44 | azeem | oh right, you cannot get X to work |
| 14:29.45 | Heroin | it gives me erros.. :D |
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| 14:29.59 | Heroin | iam just reinstalling debian.. and going over every settings :D |
| 14:29.59 | Coke | Heroin: my advice to you is to not go with a desktop environment, but instead just install an easy-to-use Window Manager. |
| 14:30.01 | azeem | Heroin: well, so you have to swallow the other pill :) |
| 14:30.04 | azeem | setting up X |
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| 14:30.22 | nerdyH | Heroin: what's the actual error msg when you try to start X Heroin: what errors |
| 14:30.23 | ootput | WindowMaker |
| 14:30.24 | Coke | Heroin: IceWM has a default look-and-feel of "standard" desktops on Windows. |
| 14:30.24 | azeem | Heroin: the first rule is: There is no need to reinstall. |
| 14:30.34 | azeem | Coke: look, he hasn't got X running |
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| 14:30.48 | azeem | there's not much need to discuss desktop environments at this point |
| 14:30.48 | Coke | Heroin: why did you choose debian? |
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| 14:31.02 | Heroin | cuz my friend from canada said knopix |
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| 14:31.08 | Coke | Heroin: actualy, I recommend you use Ubuntu, Mandriva or Fedora instead. |
| 14:31.09 | Heroin | and knopix site said debian :D |
| 14:31.15 | azeem | Coke: why? |
| 14:31.28 | Coke | azeem: because he will get what he wants _now_ faster. |
| 14:31.28 | Heroin | knoppix is live cd.. i wanted HD install |
| 14:31.33 | nerdyH | Heroin is a troll... he's being vague so no one can help him. Or, he can't read and shouldn't be using linux |
| 14:31.36 | Coke | Heroin: ubuntu is probably your pick then. |
| 14:31.39 | Heroin | they did not suggest HD of knoppix for new people.. aka me |
| 14:31.40 | azeem | nerdyH: uh |
| 14:31.56 | Coke | Heroin: ubuntu or mandriva is your best choices. |
| 14:32.18 | Coke | Heroin: debian is rather advanced and unless you plan to do a lot of reading this weekend you won't be able to use it properly. |
| 14:32.20 | azeem | Heroin: what kind of graphic card do you have? |
| 14:32.28 | azeem | Coke: that is not true |
| 14:32.31 | Heroin | just bought this PC couple hours ago :D |
| 14:32.35 | Coke | Heroin: ubuntu will just install and work for your current needs. |
| 14:32.40 | Coke | azeem: it is true. |
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| 14:32.48 | Heroin | Coke... well ill try ubuntu |
| 14:32.54 | NOthsouth | how can I configure my own SMTP server ? |
| 14:32.59 | Coke | azeem: if he feels that stability and advanced user-friendliness is something he requires he will go back to debian. |
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| 14:33.13 | azeem | Heroin: if you try Ubuntu, please ask for support in #ubuntu |
| 14:33.18 | Heroin | Coke: seems to understand me very well |
| 14:33.23 | Heroin | azeem i shall |
| 14:33.41 | Coke | Heroin: I think you should start learning using Ubuntu and come back to Debian if you need better and more robust functionality later. |
| 14:33.43 | jelly | is there a utility to create sparse files of files having lots of 0x00 bytes in them? |
| 14:33.44 | jvw | but phpbb2 is not supported on ubuntu |
| 14:33.51 | jm_ | jelly: yes |
| 14:33.53 | jvw | it has the security holes unpatched |
| 14:34.05 | azeem | jvw: details |
| 14:34.13 | jelly | jm_: what's it called? ;-) |
| 14:34.16 | jm_ | jelly: dd |
| 14:34.52 | Viper12 | better and more robust? just curious, but how? -without getting into a distro war...I'm curious as to how it is more robust? |
| 14:34.55 | jelly | jm_: I have a file with lots of zeros, but not all. I want to "compress" the zeroes. |
| 14:35.06 | Coke | azeem: almost everyone goes through the cycle; you want to learn linux, you try debian, think it's too difficult, go with mandriva/red hat and learn, get tired of it, try gentoo or slackware, but then you realize you are lazy and voila; back to good ole Debian |
| 14:35.20 | azeem | anyway, this is off-topic here |
| 14:35.22 | jm_ | jelly: yes, you can do that with dd |
| 14:35.26 | jbroome | Coke: excellent summary |
| 14:35.33 | ootput | Coke: that's pretty much it |
| 14:35.42 | Heroin | coke can i msg u? |
| 14:35.58 | Coke | Debian is, IMHO, the best damn multi-purpose OS in the world if you are knowledgable and lazy. :) |
| 14:36.05 | ootput | or archlinux, until detrimental changes hit the repo, then it's back to debian |
| 14:36.05 | Coke | Heroin: no, rather not. |
| 14:36.23 | Heroin | Coke: lazy iam |
| 14:36.32 | Coke | Heroin: ah, but not knowledgable |
| 14:36.34 | tarzeau | coke? heroin? what's next |
| 14:36.35 | Heroin | knowledable.. not very |
| 14:36.49 | jbroome | talk like yoda you do |
| 14:36.49 | Heroin | ok ok here is where i f0cked things up last time |
| 14:36.58 | jelly | jm_: ooh! how? |
| 14:37.00 | jm_ | tarzeau: it's not surprising that Coke was able to understand Heroin's needs ;))) |
| 14:37.02 | Heroin | its the Debian Software Selection |
| 14:37.11 | jm_ | jelly: man dd, look at seek and skip parameters |
| 14:37.11 | tarzeau | jm_: heh :) |
| 14:37.16 | azeem | Heroin: there's nothing you can fuck up there |
| 14:37.24 | Viper12 | lmao jbroome |
| 14:37.28 | azeem | Heroin: you can just make wrong choices you might have to revert later on |
| 14:37.36 | Coke | Heroin: but you'll get there. try one of the "mainstream" dists (ubuntu, fedora, mandriva, whatever) and if you after 6-12 months feel "damn, I've outgrown this OS" you are welcome back and we'll help you setup a real h4x0r-machine! :) |
| 14:37.36 | Heroin | ok.. |
| 14:37.48 | Heroin | ok thx d00ds |
| 14:37.53 | Heroin | ill be off now i think |
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| 14:38.10 | beardy | ... |
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| 14:38.20 | Viper12 | or you'll get completey hooked on ubuntu, and never look back............er........but hell most of its devs are part of debian.......hmmmm. -snicker. |
| 14:38.24 | ootput | l8 d00d |
| 14:38.35 | Coke | Heroin: if anything, try ubuntu first, it will prepare you somewhat for your future world of Debian |
| 14:38.48 | Coke | jvw: it's a process |
| 14:39.06 | Coke | Very few GNU users only have experience from one distribution. |
| 14:39.08 | beardy | It will only teach him bad habits. If he wants to run Debian, then that is what he wants, so let him. |
| 14:39.21 | azeem | Coke: there are very few GNU users around anyway |
| 14:39.29 | Viper12 | there ain't no bad habits.......just ask gentoo users. ;-) |
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| 14:39.32 | Coke | azeem: compared to what? |
| 14:39.38 | azeem | compared to GNU/Linux users, e.g. |
| 14:39.41 | justdust | helllo everyone ! |
| 14:39.50 | Coke | azeem: eh. gnu/linux implies you're using gnu |
| 14:39.51 | jvw | Coke: azeem is Debian's GNU/Hurd maintainer, basicly |
| 14:39.54 | azeem | Coke: no |
| 14:40.05 | ootput | ah shit, not the whole GNU Linux discussion |
| 14:40.24 | azeem | well, he started with those semantics :) |
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| 14:40.26 | azeem | anyway |
| 14:40.31 | Coke | azeem: my binutils are gnu |
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| 14:40.37 | Coke | azeem: therefore I'm using gnu software. |
| 14:40.52 | noiesmo | Heroin, check out http://www.debianhelp.org/ |
| 14:40.53 | azeem | right, but not the GNU system |
| 14:40.59 | ootput | goodnight :) |
| 14:41.07 | Viper12 | i think i ate some gnu once.................wonders if he's stayed up to long. |
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| 14:41.15 | Coke | azeem: my statement did in no way incline a 100% gnu environment, just that gnu utils are used |
| 14:41.17 | azeem | but what's more important, I don't think that newbies should be put off Debian in general |
| 14:41.39 | justdust | xchg: hello, downloading latest unstable, I'm going to reinstall everything when it's in... |
| 14:42.15 | xchg | justdust: cool, but be warned. _possibily_ there will be a problem with ldconfig |
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| 14:42.31 | xchg | justdust: but maybe not. ask me if you will get error durning upgrade |
| 14:42.40 | justdust | xchg: IDconfig ? |
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| 14:43.05 | xchg | justdust: btw, downloading image you mean ? |
| 14:43.17 | xchg | justdust: or just apt-get dist-upgrade you did |
| 14:43.17 | justdust | xchg: iso yes... |
| 14:43.42 | justdust | xchg: can I apt-get that ?. |
| 14:43.42 | xchg | justdust: the everything will work fine. the problem is only applicable when doing stable->unstable upgrade |
| 14:43.57 | xchg | justdust: edit sources.list and do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:44.00 | justdust | xchg: so it's better with the iso... |
| 14:44.03 | ootput | and if it's testing->unstable? |
| 14:44.05 | zamaliphe | hi |
| 14:44.18 | xchg | ootput: have no idea, sorry. I never used testing |
| 14:44.23 | noiesmo | is there a way to see the history from all console activity on a system? not just the current one. |
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| 14:44.41 | xchg | ootput: problem can be solved by creating a bulk /sbin/ldconfig durning upgrade |
| 14:44.46 | ootput | noiesmo: shell history? |
| 14:44.51 | ootput | noiesmo: what kind of activity? |
| 14:44.57 | noiesmo | ootput, yes shell |
| 14:45.37 | Coke | xchg: hey man! |
| 14:45.48 | xchg | Coke: hey pal! how are you ? |
| 14:45.55 | zamaliphe | i,m traing to bild dibian backeg for mplayer |
| 14:46.01 | Coke | xchg: great man. did you write that tutorial from iptel? |
| 14:46.16 | noiesmo | ootput, i would like to see all the comands i have uesd on a system either from direct access to the system or via my ssh connections |
| 14:46.17 | xchg | Coke: no, i never wrote something usefull :-) |
| 14:46.23 | Coke | xchg: 187 pages... very good. I really, really wish I could have attended the seminar it was presented on. |
| 14:46.37 | justdust | bbiab, got to shower... |
| 14:46.46 | Coke | xchg: haven't you been writing code for SER? |
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| 14:46.48 | xchg | Coke: there're a company in Europe (google for name) doing such seminars |
| 14:46.51 | zamaliphe | after i bild the backeg shod i need the gtk2-dev ??????? |
| 14:46.52 | justdust | cat fainted... |
| 14:46.55 | dhcp | hello. |
| 14:47.11 | liable | justdust: from your bodily odour? |
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| 14:47.23 | xchg | Coke: neither code. everything i wrote for ip telephony was a H323 softphone and a billing-system for servers |
| 14:47.39 | azeem | zamaliphe: you can install mplayer from marillat's repository |
| 14:47.40 | azeem | !marillat |
| 14:47.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 14:47.42 | ootput | noiesmo: iirc, both local/remote would be in the same file: less ~/.*sh_history |
| 14:47.44 | xchg | Coke: hate h323 so much since that time :-) |
| 14:47.45 | dhcp | excuseme guys, i got a question... |
| 14:47.45 | Coke | xchg: ah, ok. well, I'm off. taking early friday. |
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| 14:47.53 | xchg | Coke: have a nice weekend |
| 14:47.54 | liable | dhcp: so ask it.. |
| 14:47.56 | Coke | xchg: I can imagine. stateful servers... pff. :) |
| 14:48.00 | Coke | same to you! |
| 14:48.30 | justdust | too bad you can't apt-get pizza... |
| 14:48.41 | rage | mhall: are you there? |
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| 14:48.53 | dhcp | liable, theres this dude in a channel and hes beeping. |
| 14:48.56 | liable | rage: no he left. |
| 14:48.58 | dhcp | wich is really annoying. |
| 14:49.04 | rage | :-( |
| 14:49.09 | liable | dhcp: name? |
| 14:49.10 | dhcp | i remember that sentence was /exec -o echo "something. |
| 14:49.14 | zamaliphe | i have a patche for the mplayer and i need to bild a dibian backeg |
| 14:49.20 | dhcp | liable, is not on this server. |
| 14:49.28 | dhcp | i just came here to know how to stop that sound. |
| 14:49.30 | ootput | beeping? |
| 14:49.31 | liable | dhcp: then why are you asking us? |
| 14:49.50 | dhcp | LOL. |
| 14:49.52 | liable | dhcp: its in your client setup. |
| 14:49.55 | dhcp | its debian :) |
| 14:50.00 | liable | ... |
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| 14:50.04 | azeem | zamaliphe: are you working from Marillat's package? |
| 14:50.24 | dhcp | well |
| 14:50.27 | ootput | either you're not making any sense, or that I'm tired, or both |
| 14:50.31 | dhcp | thanks for the help, i though u might know. |
| 14:51.00 | liable | dhcp: depends on the client, you should be able to turn /msg beeps off.. |
| 14:51.09 | tarzeau | has someone got sid and gnustep and can test something for me? |
| 14:51.12 | zamaliphe | azeem what is Marillat's package? |
| 14:51.23 | azeem | zamaliphe: he is packaging mplayer for Debian |
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| 14:51.33 | azeem | zamaliphe: do you have a debian/ directory in the source? |
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| 14:52.04 | zamaliphe | yes |
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| 14:52.17 | noiesmo | ootput, is it cleared periodically, the reason i ask is i just set up a system in the last few days and i want to see all the apt-get install blah comands that i used and the files i've editted via nano but there not there |
| 14:52.18 | zamaliphe | yes azeem |
| 14:52.19 | azeem | zamaliphe: ok, then check debian/control for Build-Depends, and install those packages |
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| 14:52.42 | azeem | then patch whatever you want, and run debuild or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc |
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| 14:53.03 | smacky_wolf | Ok, guys. I still have some problems installing Debian. I have been hanging at the first setup area, my instsll worked fine. It hangs on USB discovery, After turning on nousb, it started to hang on AGP discovery. Any ideas? I tried turning off framebuffer, but no dice. Any clues? |
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| 14:53.04 | zamaliphe | how azeem |
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| 14:53.16 | azeem | zamaliphe: how what? |
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| 14:53.48 | liable | noiesmo: well, that should all be in .bash_history |
| 14:54.08 | liable | noiesmo: there is a limit to it though which you can set. |
| 14:54.10 | zamaliphe | azeem check debian/control |
| 14:54.28 | azeem | liable: I thought it only gets written there on logout (of that particular shell session) |
| 14:54.38 | azeem | zamaliphe: open it with an editor/viewer and read it |
| 14:54.40 | liable | noiesmo: and of course the apt stuff will be in roots history |
| 14:54.46 | liable | azeem: true. |
| 14:55.18 | noiesmo | liable, yes only checking root history i normally ssh in user the su root so checked roots bash history were can i set the limit |
| 14:55.22 | zamaliphe | ok azeem thanks alot |
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| 14:56.29 | smacky_wolf | Anyone? Please? |
| 14:57.01 | azeem | smacky_wolf: maybe try #debian-boot |
| 14:57.08 | smacky_wolf | I am using an Acer Extensa 2300 powewred by a celery proc |
| 14:57.14 | smacky_wolf | azeem, thanks |
| 14:57.21 | azeem | smacky_wolf: did you try the other option (either 2.4 or 2.6 kernel)? |
| 14:57.42 | noiesmo | liable, yes only checking root history i normally ssh in user the su root so checked roots bash history were can i set the limit of bash history |
| 14:58.54 | liable | noiesmo: sec, i cant remember. |
| 14:58.57 | smacky_wolf | Azeem, I was using 2.6 |
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| 14:59.05 | noiesmo | liable, k thanks |
| 14:59.05 | azeem | smacky_wolf: maybe try 2.4 first then |
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| 14:59.41 | smacky_wolf | Er, OK. Thanks |
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| 15:01.35 | inetd | whats a good webmail software? |
| 15:01.36 | noiesmo | liable, found this # Keep 1000 lines in .bash_history (default is 500)export HISTSIZE=1000 |
| 15:01.36 | noiesmo | export HISTFILESIZE=1000 |
| 15:01.56 | inetd | other than squirrelmail |
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| 15:02.20 | noiesmo | liable, add to ~/.bashrc |
| 15:02.27 | petemc | inetd: roundcube is some funky ajax thing, not 100% stable yet tho |
| 15:02.28 | tr1gg3r | inetd, this looks realy cool but ive never tried it http://www.roundcube.net/ |
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| 15:02.40 | petemc | inetd: horde, and its many variants are worth a look |
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| 15:03.13 | bluenail | greetings is there an easy way to view bootup console messages? I need the post-kernel stuff so dmesg won't do it, and shift-pgup won't work (running etch) |
| 15:03.37 | inetd | roundcube looks very nice |
| 15:03.40 | inetd | is it free? |
| 15:03.40 | liable | noiesmo: heh, i thought it was in a ./dotfile, but didnt see it. |
| 15:04.06 | noiesmo | liable, also export HISTCONTROL=ignoredups to ignore double ups |
| 15:04.09 | Miesco | My account is 'shawn' but my pop email I am using fetchmail so I can use pine to see it, my email is mugsy@*, how would I have my email mugsy@* to be in my From: header? |
| 15:04.13 | beardy | bluenail: What do you mean by post-kernel stuff? An example? |
| 15:04.23 | noiesmo | liable, dam it gentoos docs are usefull |
| 15:04.57 | beardy | bluenail: What you are looking for is not in 'dmesg' or /var/log/dmesg? |
| 15:04.58 | liable | noiesmo: ideed, thats one thing about gentoo, is its very well documented. |
| 15:05.01 | bluenail | beardy: daemons that boot at startup i.e ALSA |
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| 15:05.18 | noiesmo | liable, there docs should be ported to debian |
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| 15:05.35 | beardy | bluenail: Check /var/log/syslog, or /var/log/messages |
| 15:05.44 | inetd | petemc: is roundcube free? |
| 15:05.49 | noiesmo | liable, will do find & replace emerge with apt-get install |
| 15:06.12 | inetd | petemc: which one do you use ? and whats your server qmail? postfix? |
| 15:06.49 | abrotman | do people actually use qmail? |
| 15:07.00 | petemc | inetd: no idea if its free, check the license. Im sort of stuck with openwebmail atm, but i wouldnt recommend it. I use exim4 as MTA |
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| 15:07.20 | inetd | petemc: checked..and its free |
| 15:07.25 | diana | What is exim4 or MTA...those are mail services? |
| 15:07.36 | petemc | inetd: gpl? |
| 15:07.36 | beardy | !mta |
| 15:07.36 | dpkg | it has been said that mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim4, postfix, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 15:07.39 | abrotman | !tell diana about mta |
| 15:07.40 | abrotman | doh |
| 15:07.42 | inetd | diana: MTA - Mail Transfer Agent |
| 15:07.45 | grandma | i'm trying to get a digital camera connected to a presario 2100 laptop serial port working. does anyone know how to check that the serial port is setup? |
| 15:07.54 | abrotman | a serial port? |
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| 15:08.00 | inetd | petemc: yes GPL |
| 15:08.02 | dhuv | hello all |
| 15:08.05 | beardy | grandma: You mean an USB port? |
| 15:08.12 | grandma | not USB...serial |
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| 15:08.40 | dhuv | I was wondering if anybody knew of a way to see which packages where installed/upgraded on which day. I currently use synaptic and wanted to know exactly which new packages were installed yesterday |
| 15:08.50 | J_P | hi all |
| 15:08.52 | noiesmo | grandma, what is the make and model of camare |
| 15:09.02 | bluenail | beardy this is better, might work, but is not the same format as whizzed past me on bootup, but seems to have most of the information, except that all I saw was bold *failed* before it was off the screen and messages and syslog both don't contain the word "failed" so I'm not sure if problems I found are what my problem was |
| 15:09.02 | stew | dhuv: which version of debian? |
| 15:09.08 | grandma | PDC 640 |
| 15:09.11 | grandma | polaroid |
| 15:09.18 | dhuv | testing |
| 15:09.27 | stew | dhuv: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 15:09.32 | grandma | it's an old camera...and for those who don't know what serial port is google: "9 pin serial" heh |
| 15:10.19 | jieter | is there someone out here who ever installed debian linux on an javalin LCP? |
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| 15:10.57 | SpComb | I have a 3com managed switch with a serial port on it, and I've used it before on windows to configure it with hyperterminal. I've plugged it into my linux server, and now I'm wondering how I can 'talk' to it |
| 15:10.57 | dhuv | stew: thanks, you are the man |
| 15:11.05 | liable | grandma: no more fucking socks for xmas!! |
| 15:11.14 | noiesmo | grandma, http://www.mgzi.net/comp/camera.php |
| 15:11.23 | sep | SpComb, minicom |
| 15:11.24 | beardy | grandma: Do you have some program that is going to talk to it some way, or what are you going to do with it? Transfer images? |
| 15:11.30 | beardy | +in |
| 15:11.40 | SpComb | what would the dev file be? /dev/ttyS0 ? |
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| 15:12.07 | grandma | i'm using gphoto2 (gtkam frontend) but neither the CLI or gtkam recognize the camera is there...it makes a beep when the serial is connected, so it sees the port somehow |
| 15:12.09 | sep | if that's where you have connected the serialcabled then yes |
| 15:12.22 | beardy | SpComb: If it's connected to your machines first serial port, then yes. |
| 15:12.23 | Karat3 | how to run a shell script? |
| 15:12.28 | SpComb | so that's the linux equivalent of com1 ? |
| 15:12.38 | Karat3 | run? |
| 15:12.38 | abrotman | ttys0 |
| 15:12.42 | abrotman | err ttyS0 |
| 15:12.43 | grandma | /dev/ttyS0 |
| 15:12.44 | Karat3 | run shellscript? |
| 15:12.45 | beardy | Karat3: Make it executable, or 'sh script.sh' |
| 15:12.59 | Karat3 | ok, how to make it executable? |
| 15:13.09 | azeem | grandma: are you sure gphoto2 can handle that serial camera? |
| 15:13.12 | beardy | SpComb: Yes. |
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| 15:13.33 | chris77^ | Karat3: chmod +x script.sh |
| 15:13.36 | grandma | i've done all that, heh...gphoto2 claims to support this camera, but i don't know if the serial is actually setup...i've not messed with serial in so long |
| 15:14.33 | bluenail | grandma you do have standard serial support in your kernel, right? |
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| 15:15.14 | grandma | bluenail: i'm sure, it's default kernel setup |
| 15:15.18 | beardy | bluenail: Did you find what you were looking for? |
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| 15:16.13 | bluenail | beardy ish fixed minor problems but still no way of knowing if they were the one that caught my eye on startup, not a biggie, nothing is acting broken, I'm just paranoid |
| 15:16.58 | inetd | what are other good links like that ? |
| 15:17.02 | inetd | petemc: ? |
| 15:17.30 | inetd | if anyone here got some linux links/screenshots on their homepage post the links here |
| 15:17.33 | inetd | please |
| 15:17.43 | grandma | does anyone know if hal should see the serial port? |
| 15:17.57 | beardy | inetd: No. Search the web for screenshots instead. |
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| 15:18.32 | bluenail | inetd: try google images with "linux screenshots" |
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| 15:18.38 | grandma | lshal |grep serial/Serial/ttyS0/ttyS doesn't show anything |
| 15:18.46 | grandma | serial only shows USB stuff |
| 15:19.52 | justdust | ok, iso is burned, going down for fresh install, bbiab... |
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| 15:20.17 | azeem | grandma: hal might not handle serial |
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| 15:21.01 | grandma | azeem: yea i figured it might not...was wondering if anyone knew if it does or not |
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| 15:21.10 | grandma | using statserial now |
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| 15:21.55 | azeem | grandma: maybe you can use minicom or something and try to monitor traffic from the camera |
| 15:22.00 | azeem | though I am not sure minicom would show that |
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| 15:22.19 | grandma | statserial claims to show serial data |
| 15:22.26 | bluenail | azeem, grandma tail -f /dev/ttys0 would show better than minicom |
| 15:22.27 | azeem | ah, cool |
| 15:23.01 | Miesco | Anyone use Pine to get pop3 mail? |
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| 15:23.24 | petemc | inetd: http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/ - look at the scrot files there |
| 15:23.32 | SpComb | "Menu options: --------------3Com SuperStack II Switch 3300--------------" \o/ |
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| 15:23.45 | SpComb | took me a while to figure out how to type in the Ctrl-A needed in screen |
| 15:23.53 | ke6isf | Miesco: I use pine to read /var/mail/ke6isf directly. Tried using fetchmail? |
| 15:24.24 | kspath | abrotman: eat some veggies |
| 15:24.26 | inetd | petemc: cheers mate |
| 15:24.31 | abrotman | kspath: no ?> |
| 15:25.04 | SerajewelKS | i went to init 1 to fsck /, but when i try to remount read-only it tells me that / is busy. 'lsof' shows no files open for write, only pipes open for write. |
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| 15:25.19 | kspath | DAPP >> LAMP |
| 15:25.39 | kspath | Debian Apache PostgreSQL Perl/PHP/Python |
| 15:26.06 | grandma | it could be something with this particular laptop, it has all kinds of issues due to cheap motherboard |
| 15:26.06 | bluenail | SerajewelKS, I might be missing your problem, but can't you just reboot? |
| 15:26.31 | SerajewelKS | bluenail: why should i have to reboot |
| 15:26.59 | kspath | to avoid blue screen of Gates? |
| 15:27.19 | SerajewelKS | there are also things like /dev/console open for rw, but i don't think that device nodes count as an open file when it comes to remounting |
| 15:27.42 | SerajewelKS | basically, `lsof | grep '[0-9][uw]'` shows only pipes and things in /dev |
| 15:27.44 | abrotman | kspath: the M really sucks :) |
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| 15:28.16 | grandma | ACPI/battery level doesn't work well when you swap batteries, PCMCIA completely freezes the machine when trying to boot with card in, heh |
| 15:28.21 | bluenail | SerajewelKS did you go into init1 from booting, or did you change the init level of a running system? I was assuming the former, in which case the cheating kludgey solution was to reboot and have your init scripts do the remounting, but if you're changing init levels around on a running system you're beyond me |
| 15:28.29 | nixxie | hmm. i am getting kernel OOPSes when mounting freshly made XFS partitions on 2.6.15, repeatedly. anyone else seen this behaviour? |
| 15:28.42 | SerajewelKS | bluenail: on a running system |
| 15:28.56 | SerajewelKS | so basically, how do i track down whatever has this file open and kill it? |
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| 15:29.08 | abrotman | nixxie: is 2.6.15 in debian as a packaged kernel? |
| 15:29.12 | pharm | SerajewelKS: lsof might help you |
| 15:29.13 | nixxie | stock |
| 15:29.18 | bluenail | SerajewelKS ah, that's what I get for assuming, hrmm |
| 15:29.19 | abrotman | nixxie: then go ask #kernel |
| 15:29.23 | nixxie | yeah yeah sorry not supported thanks |
| 15:29.26 | nixxie | .. |
| 15:29.30 | abrotman | have a nice day:) |
| 15:29.40 | SerajewelKS | pharm: yeah, uhm, read up a bit |
| 15:30.06 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Have you tried lsof? |
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| 15:30.18 | SerajewelKS | !mhallsmite beardy |
| 15:30.18 | pharm | SerajewelKS: oops |
| 15:30.34 | beardy | heh, wasn't that a bit much? |
| 15:30.36 | diana | lol |
| 15:30.42 | SerajewelKS | beardy: probably ;) |
| 15:30.47 | stouset | beardy: Thus the point of a mhallsmite :) |
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| 15:31.25 | abrotman | :date stouset |
| 15:31.28 | abrotman | !date stouset |
| 15:31.28 | pharm | SerajewelKS: um. Grovel through /proc/<pid> ? |
| 15:31.30 | kspath | bluenail: you wanted to work blue didnt you? |
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| 15:31.49 | SerajewelKS | pharm: hmm |
| 15:32.01 | stouset | !date abrotman |
| 15:32.10 | abrotman | !hire stouset |
| 15:32.11 | stouset | Ha! I got dingo, and you got kitten. |
| 15:32.12 | stouset | Owned. |
| 15:32.17 | bluenail | kspath not sure I know what you mean, so probably not |
| 15:32.17 | stouset | !hire abrotman |
| 15:32.21 | stouset | I win again! |
| 15:32.24 | abrotman | damn |
| 15:32.25 | stouset | I make money, you get...well. |
| 15:32.29 | stouset | Yeah. |
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| 15:32.41 | abrotman | and now we get the !stupidbottricks |
| 15:32.45 | sanxiyn | Hello world |
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| 15:32.51 | grandma | SWEET!!! |
| 15:32.52 | stouset | Segmentation fault. |
| 15:32.54 | grandma | i got it working, woohoo |
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| 15:33.18 | SerajewelKS | pharm: still only /dev and pipes |
| 15:33.20 | grandma | photopc (not gphoto2) |
| 15:33.21 | Karat3 | in kde of debian testing the colors of non kde menus are always black, what can i do? |
| 15:33.26 | stouset | sanxiyn: Looks like you're trying to free a pointer twice. |
| 15:33.29 | grandma | even though gphoto2 claims to work |
| 15:33.43 | sanxiyn | stouset: Do I? |
| 15:33.47 | stouset | Karat3: Switch to GNOME? |
| 15:33.48 | Miesco | ke6isf: Yea I use fetchmail, but my name in the pop email name@domain is different from the name of my user account, how would I use the name from my pop3 account so I can send messages as well from pine? |
| 15:33.51 | stouset | sanxiyn: Clearly. |
| 15:33.59 | KerPlunk | Karat3: Don't use X |
| 15:34.00 | SerajewelKS | pharm: anything else that would keep me from remounting ro? |
| 15:34.06 | kspath | I think I can make more money at McDonalds than as a sysadmin in this industry in this "great" economy |
| 15:34.19 | pharm | SerajewelKS: Something like "ls -l /proc/[01234567890]*/fd/*" might be enlightening |
| 15:34.32 | stouset | kspath: Doubt it. All the folks I know who're good sysadmins are making a decent living off of it. |
| 15:34.34 | bluenail | Karat3 or use a real interface like windomaker (*ducks*) |
| 15:34.39 | pharm | SerajewelKS: I missed your original problem I think. Could you repeat it? |
| 15:34.39 | KerPlunk | Karat3: /join #debian-kde,#kde |
| 15:34.51 | KerPlunk | !start a window manager war |
| 15:34.52 | dpkg | wmaker makes me vomit! |
| 15:35.00 | sanxiyn | kspath: http://sysadminday.com/ |
| 15:35.03 | kspath | stouset: what if I suck? or what if no one is even calling me ? |
| 15:35.16 | Hackel | How does apache choose which virtual domain to show by default (e.g. if not specifically defined)? I always thought it was just the first one listed, but now it's randomly giving me one I don't want. |
| 15:35.31 | beardy | kspath: ehm, what job were you talking about again? |
| 15:35.39 | KerPlunk | Hackel: /join #apache |
| 15:35.41 | SerajewelKS | pharm: i went to runlevel 1 to remount / read-only and fsck |
| 15:35.48 | stouset | kspath: It's probably more a function of location than anything. Tech market seems to be just fine in the ATL area. |
| 15:35.48 | Hackel | KerPlunk: Sorry, wrong window. |
| 15:36.01 | stouset | kspath: So much so that I quit my last job without even bothering to have another lined up. |
| 15:36.05 | SerajewelKS | pharm: when i do 'mount / -o remount,ro' mount says 'device or resource busy' |
| 15:36.14 | SerajewelKS | pharm: if i remount rw, no problems |
| 15:36.15 | kspath | stouset: yeah I hear that NE and other areas are great but I am in Chicago |
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| 15:36.37 | SerajewelKS | pharm: but if only pipes and device nodes are currently open for write, what could it be upset about? |
| 15:36.38 | pharm | SerajewelKS: syslog running? |
| 15:36.38 | abrotman | kspath: you sohuld get a job |
| 15:36.40 | kspath | maybe I should move |
| 15:36.54 | abrotman | kspath: what about madison or milwuakee? ... or Indy ? |
| 15:36.57 | pharm | SerajewelKS: syslogd that is. |
| 15:37.01 | stouset | kspath: Could be. From what I hear, Chicago economy ain't doing so well in any area. |
| 15:37.10 | SerajewelKS | pharm: no |
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| 15:37.17 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:37.30 | abrotman | yeah .. but less competition i'd think |
| 15:37.40 | abrotman | espeically in WI |
| 15:37.51 | abrotman | kspath: did you know .. uhm .. i think it's footlocker .. has thier datacenter in WI ? |
| 15:37.53 | kspath | basically much of US is weak on average though that is even more true of whole world on average |
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| 15:38.44 | kspath | abrotman: you just want me to ship you bratwurst and cheese! ;-) |
| 15:38.48 | danieldg | when I run gnome-theme-manager in KDE, it messes up Konsole's font. How would fix/prevent this? |
| 15:39.09 | abrotman | kspath: my mom is moving there |
| 15:39.23 | KerPlunk | danieldg: uninstall X |
| 15:39.28 | kspath | abrotman: she is a programmer/coder? |
| 15:39.39 | abrotman | kspath: no .. she's a mom |
| 15:39.41 | KerPlunk | danieldg: Or /join #debian-kde,#kde |
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| 15:39.57 | sanxiyn | KerPlunk: Eh, is that helpful? |
| 15:40.16 | pharm | SerajewelKS: if only pipes & device nodes are open, it seems reasonably to want to be able to remount ro I agree. |
| 15:40.22 | KerPlunk | sanxiyn: yes actually it is. |
| 15:40.38 | KerPlunk | I directed him to channels regarding the software he asked about. this isn't #kde it's #debian |
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| 15:40.42 | sanxiyn | "uninstall X"? |
| 15:40.55 | KerPlunk | "Or /join #debian-kde,#kde" |
| 15:40.55 | sanxiyn | KerPlunk: Debian surely includes KDE. |
| 15:41.07 | pharm | SerajewelKS: Test it with a little filesystem to see if it works with just a device node or a pipe? |
| 15:41.16 | bluenail | KerPlunk just wants to end up on bash.org methinks |
| 15:41.31 | abrotman | sanxiyn: then you help him with his problem |
| 15:41.43 | abrotman | sanxiyn: you'd think #debian-kde would know more about kde issues right? |
| 15:42.04 | danieldg | I already asked #debian-kde |
| 15:42.14 | danieldg | I'm asking in #kde now |
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| 15:43.23 | bluenail | danieldg I'm the last person to know what I'm talking about on your issue (don't use either KDE or Gnome much) but arn't you using one enviroment's theme manager from within another enviroment? Doesn't kde have its own theme manager? |
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| 15:44.00 | danieldg | bluenail: yes, and I use that, but it doesn't change the theme of some apps (ex: firefox) |
| 15:44.10 | kspath | let me pick an obscure item in debian repository and as for support? just because something can be grabbed with apt-get you much support it in every detail/level? |
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| 15:45.18 | sanxiyn | I think #debian does get (and answer) Debian-related questions as well as Software-in-Debian related questions. |
| 15:45.26 | kspath | has anyone figured out where the line of support begins and ends? |
| 15:45.28 | sanxiyn | Well, I will STFU. I'm not being helpful. |
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| 15:45.34 | bluenail | kspath yes, pick your obscure item and ask for support, if somebody knows the answer they will probably help, if they don't know the answer, they'll give a snarky responce like uninstall the base system... :) |
| 15:45.46 | KerPlunk | sanxiyn: You are right...#debian does this all the time. |
| 15:46.09 | KerPlunk | sanxiyn: But no one else wants to help them(including me) so I direct them to #debian-kde or #kde or gnome channels if they ask about gnome. |
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| 15:46.46 | kspath | then the issue is they point back to #debian because it is part of their distro UGH! |
| 15:47.00 | afabian | kspath, the function of a distribution is integration and support, in my humble opinion. Nothing stops me from using Linux from Scratch. So, I think questions about any program Debian has decided to include are fair game, but answers aren't assured. |
| 15:47.04 | KerPlunk | I don't like these desktop enviroments and customizing isn't really an essential task...if they want to customize they can just read documentation. |
| 15:47.18 | KerPlunk | It's like their server is down or something...it's customizing guis. |
| 15:47.24 | sanxiyn | Heh. |
| 15:47.37 | kspath | hence I use Ion |
| 15:47.47 | KerPlunk | kspath: yea they'll get redirected here...but in the time they wasting asking everyone for the answer...maybe they'll read some documentation. |
| 15:47.52 | kspath | or openbox or fluxbox if Ion is broken |
| 15:47.56 | KerPlunk | At least this way we get rid of them for half an hour. |
| 15:48.00 | bluenail | KerPlunk hey don't ignore the small stuff, I used to be a gentoo guy and abandoned it just because it was difficult to install nethack in console mode... |
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| 15:49.14 | kspath | I abandon DeadRat around 6.2-7 because of dependencies trying to get all the pieces for something was sometimes a PITA |
| 15:49.35 | sanxiyn | bluenail: games-roguelike/nethack USE="-x -qt -gnome"? |
| 15:50.06 | sanxiyn | Indeed Debian tends to be more fine-grained (not always). |
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| 15:50.41 | kspath | the idea of "It Just Works" is what I like about Debian the most |
| 15:51.01 | KerPlunk | kspath: same here. |
| 15:51.12 | kspath | you can get down to deep level if you want or just tell it to install stuffs |
| 15:51.12 | KerPlunk | But customizing a desktop enviroment is subjective...so there is no "it just works" |
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| 15:51.19 | bluenail | sanxiyn I didn't say i didn't do it, but I realized that the amount I had to read to get to the point I knew what emerge flags to use made me realize that I'd more than lost the few seconds of time saved with the incresed productivity of having optimized code |
| 15:51.32 | KerPlunk | That's why having nethack work in console mode isn't like customizing a desktop enviroment...they are both small issues but different categories. |
| 15:51.43 | sanxiyn | bluenail: Well, gentoo-portage.com is your friend, or any of e* tools... |
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| 15:52.15 | kspath | any distro has its quirks |
| 15:52.53 | afabian | Debian is pretty consistent. I like that. Must be the guidelines. And lots of stuff is packaged, making installation fairly consistent. |
| 15:53.02 | kspath | I went through the entire list of things in Debian list of packages/repository A-Z and Z-A to make a list of everything wanted/needed/cool |
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| 15:53.14 | sanxiyn | afabian: Yes, there is Debian Policy, which is most of the secrets. |
| 15:53.43 | sanxiyn | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
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| 15:54.01 | raf256[laptop] | btw |
| 15:54.18 | raf256[laptop] | will any quite interesting, (L)GPL free program |
| 15:54.26 | raf256[laptop] | will be included into debian? |
| 15:54.30 | bluenail | sanxiyn I'll just stick to debian, if I need LFS customization at somepoint I'll do LFS, gentoo just is to much hassle for everyday boxes, and takes to much space for the few projets that it would otherwise be really good for |
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| 15:54.52 | raf256[laptop] | like, I would like to write small game just for the fun of including it into debian, I could be its debian maintainer |
| 15:55.09 | kspath | some of the one line descriptions of packages are not clear text? curses? GUI? QT? GTK? Motif? Gnome? KDE? TK? ... |
| 15:55.13 | sanxiyn | raf256[laptop]: It used to, but people tend to oppose too small or too obscure packages these days. |
| 15:55.15 | bluenail | who's the official debian maintainer for "Hello World"? |
| 15:55.19 | sanxiyn | As in, "it bloats the archive". |
| 15:55.28 | raf256[laptop] | sanxiyn: "obscure"? |
| 15:55.44 | raf256[laptop] | too small or too big? you ment "too simple"? |
| 15:56.12 | sanxiyn | raf256[laptop]: For example, your favorite homegrown firewall genrator made with a single shell script. |
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| 15:56.28 | sanxiyn | bluenail: apt-cache show hello says it's Santiago Vila. |
| 15:56.46 | kspath | bloated archive? that makes little sense we have computers to use vast quantities of data |
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| 15:56.58 | bluenail | sanxiyn ... |
| 15:57.00 | sanxiyn | kspath: It slows down apt-get update, for example. |
| 15:57.10 | sanxiyn | bluenail: Well, it's a packaging of GNU hello... |
| 15:57.31 | raf256[laptop] | damn |
| 15:57.37 | raf256[laptop] | what is the name of that browser? |
| 15:57.39 | kspath | sanxign: how fast does it have to be? |
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| 15:57.49 | raf256[laptop] | not firefox, not mozilla |
| 15:57.52 | kspath | sanxiyn: how fast does it have to be? |
| 15:57.55 | raf256[laptop] | the standard one in debian |
| 15:58.02 | bluenail | raf256 opera? |
| 15:58.04 | sanxiyn | raf256[laptop]: standard? |
| 15:58.06 | raf256[laptop] | no |
| 15:58.25 | raf256[laptop] | mozilla engine base |
| 15:58.26 | kspath | dillo? lynx? links? w3? |
| 15:58.27 | raf256[laptop] | GUI in GTK |
| 15:58.27 | beardy | www-broswer then |
| 15:58.31 | raf256[laptop] | no no no |
| 15:58.37 | bluenail | raf256 safari? |
| 15:58.41 | kspath | lol |
| 15:58.43 | raf256[laptop] | no |
| 15:58.52 | sanxiyn | epiphany |
| 15:58.58 | sanxiyn | eh no |
| 15:59.02 | bluenail | mosaic? |
| 15:59.05 | kspath | lol |
| 15:59.11 | sanxiyn | epiphany-browser |
| 15:59.17 | raf256[laptop] | ah |
| 15:59.19 | raf256[laptop] | Galeon |
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| 15:59.56 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: lay off the enter key |
| 15:59.58 | kspath | so there are about 10-15 HTML "browsers" ? |
| 16:00.05 | tarzeau | kspath: at least |
| 16:00.11 | beardy | kspath: Probably much more. |
| 16:00.11 | tarzeau | don't forget links2 |
| 16:00.15 | sanxiyn | kspath: Konqueror wasn't mentioned even. |
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| 16:00.25 | raf256[laptop] | kspath: like 15 counting the popular ones |
| 16:00.28 | tarzeau | apt-cache showpkg www-browser and x-www-browser |
| 16:00.32 | kspath | not including curl pavuk snarf wget fetch |
| 16:00.34 | beardy | Dpending on where one draws the line for the meaning of the word "web-browser". |
| 16:00.45 | bluenail | kspath I'm sure there's at least 12 emacs modules for webbrowsing as well |
| 16:00.49 | raf256[laptop] | kspath: curl :> ? well |
| 16:00.52 | sanxiyn | beardy: How about "HTTP client". |
| 16:01.09 | tarzeau | and don't forget telnet/html2text |
| 16:01.10 | beardy | sanxiyn: Then the list gets quite long. |
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| 16:01.36 | beardy | tarzeau: and netcat |
| 16:01.45 | tarzeau | beardy: and the ipv6 enhanced netcat |
| 16:01.48 | sanxiyn | beardy: netcat doesn't really speak HTTP. |
| 16:01.53 | tarzeau | beardy: and wget |
| 16:01.57 | beardy | sanxiyn: neither does telnet |
| 16:02.09 | sanxiyn | libwww-perl |
| 16:02.11 | kspath | with everyone getting on DSL and cable I am not too worried about bloat though I wonder about other countries with weak comm infrastructure |
| 16:02.21 | bluenail | I'm sure you could make a webbrowser with a shellscript using echo and cat to the devices directly... |
| 16:02.29 | sanxiyn | kspath: There's also cost of mirror size or archive admin, I think. |
| 16:02.35 | tarzeau | bluenail: it's not devices, but yes |
| 16:02.50 | sanxiyn | Hail LWP. |
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| 16:03.25 | kspath | if it isnt in the repository where would it be a secondary extra list that almost everyone will use anyway? |
| 16:03.29 | sanxiyn | Thinking about it, all HTTP proxies are HTTP clients too. |
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| 16:03.34 | bluenail | tarzeau well you could do it at the device level, but you'd have to impliment a TCP/IP stack in the shellscript.... |
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| 16:04.38 | kspath | then will there be a secondary security which will be added by almost everyone also? |
| 16:04.54 | kspath | then - time than - logical |
| 16:05.06 | Karat3 | how to execute a binary in a shell??? |
| 16:05.09 | Quinn_Storm | hey, I recently upgraded the moinmoin package and all of a sudden my wiki's front page is replaced by HelpOnLanguages. I tried setting my language in user preferences but that didn't help. bugs.debian.org didn't show anything. any ideas? |
| 16:05.24 | Karat3 | how to execute a binary in a shell??? |
| 16:05.35 | nvz | Karat3: stop repeating. |
| 16:05.48 | nvz | Karat3: make sure its got the +x bit set. ./binary |
| 16:06.13 | kspath | besides the "It Just Works" there is also the vast respository of packages that exist that keeps me with Debian |
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| 16:06.34 | KerPlunk | Karat3: If I had a program in /home/user, and the name of this file was "binary" I would "chmod +x /home/user/binary" then to run it I would just type "/home/user/binary" |
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| 16:07.23 | bluenail | KerPlunk I think Karat3 was responding to my own innanity, not asking a serrious question |
| 16:07.47 | nvz | KerPlunk: is /home/user in your $PATH? |
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| 16:07.49 | sanxiyn | Quinn_Storm: From which version did you upgrade? |
| 16:08.09 | sanxiyn | Quinn_Storm: I believe Moin changed language directive once, and there's a migration script. |
| 16:08.13 | KerPlunk | nvz: no..why would I put that in my PATH? |
| 16:08.28 | Quinn_Storm | sanxiyn: from almost most recent unstable to most recent unstable |
| 16:08.35 | sanxiyn | Hm, then not that. |
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| 16:09.57 | Quinn_Storm | http://metascape.afraid.org:13666/mywiki/ - as you can see you get the HelpOnLanguages as the front page |
| 16:10.41 | Quinn_Storm | ah, I found it...someone did it ON PURPOSE |
| 16:10.49 | Quinn_Storm | from grep - changelog.gz: * page_front_page old: u"FrontPage" new: u"HelpOnLanguages" |
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| 16:11.03 | rpt | Im getting VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(3,1) which results in a kernel panic during bootup of a new kernel i compiled, I tried to read on it but afaik grub is setup just fine, and I should all necassary Filesystem support in the kernel (EXT3 only one I use), any ideas? |
| 16:11.08 | sanxiyn | Quinn_Storm: Duh. |
| 16:11.37 | dusty- | How do i switch to kde from within gnome on debian 3.1 r1? |
| 16:12.18 | rpt | dusty-: cant you logout from gnome, and relogin with KDE chosen on the desktop? =) |
| 16:12.32 | dusty- | no i can't |
| 16:12.34 | sanxiyn | dusty-: Install kde-core or so, logout, choose KDE in your display manager. |
| 16:12.36 | dusty- | dont have the option |
| 16:12.44 | dusty- | its just a login box |
| 16:12.47 | dusty- | gui login box |
| 16:13.06 | bibe | dusty- : is it gdm? |
| 16:13.11 | dusty- | dunno |
| 16:13.22 | raf256[laptop] | dusty-: go to console 1, to root, do: killall gdm |
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| 16:13.25 | sanxiyn | dusty-: Desktop choices are located under /usr/share/xsessions |
| 16:13.28 | bibe | dusty- : look for a "Session" menu in the login screen |
| 16:13.37 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 16:13.46 | abrotman | or rather |
| 16:13.49 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
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| 16:14.18 | rpt | I shouldnt need support for like reiserfs or something If I simply dont use it on any HDs? |
| 16:14.18 | sanxiyn | dusty-: Do you have KDE installed? |
| 16:14.28 | intero | is bash ssh completion broken again? |
| 16:14.36 | abrotman | broken where how? |
| 16:14.41 | raf256[laptop] | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.57 | intero | abrotman: it's not completing at all :P |
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| 16:15.04 | abrotman | intero: in .. unstable? |
| 16:15.10 | intero | abrotman: yes |
| 16:15.13 | sanxiyn | intero: Completing for me. |
| 16:15.15 | abrotman | did you check the bts? |
| 16:15.27 | raf256[laptop] | intero: I noticed simmilar behaviour |
| 16:15.34 | dusty- | sanxiyn, yes i installed kde |
| 16:15.35 | intero | abrotman: sure 3.1-2 seems to solve all |
| 16:15.41 | raf256[laptop] | intero: in mine it is completing sometimes |
| 16:15.43 | intero | sanxiyn: 3.1-2 ? |
| 16:15.46 | sanxiyn | dusty-: Then there should be choice for KDE |
| 16:15.53 | intero | raf256[laptop]: oh :) thanks |
| 16:15.58 | dusty- | damnit |
| 16:16.10 | raf256[laptop] | !damnit |
| 16:16.15 | dusty- | i obviouisly don't have a window manager like gdm or kdm there are no choices to choose a session |
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| 16:16.23 | raf256[laptop] | hmm there should be action for that |
| 16:16.26 | dusty- | its just a grey login box |
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| 16:16.37 | raf256[laptop] | dusty-: apt-get install gdm |
| 16:17.04 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: why? |
| 16:17.05 | dusty- | mmkay |
| 16:17.09 | dusty- | then logout and log back in? |
| 16:17.12 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: what does that solve? |
| 16:17.13 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: to have a nice dm? |
| 16:17.17 | sanxiyn | intero: Yes bash 3.1-2, tested ssh and scp completion. |
| 16:17.23 | raf256[laptop] | that have option to use KDE by the way |
| 16:17.23 | justdust | ok, so I downloaded the latest unstable, booted from it, then it gives me a shell, then what ? |
| 16:17.27 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: that's just fucking stupid |
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| 16:17.38 | dusty- | abrotman, what should i do? |
| 16:17.41 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: so is iraq war yet so meany ppl liked it |
| 16:17.49 | sanxiyn | intero: Indeed, it's in the changelog. * fix ssh command completion. |
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| 16:17.57 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: ok, I suggested gdm by the way, it is just nice |
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| 16:18.06 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: shut the hell up .. that's completely unrelated |
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| 16:18.25 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: if you want to talk about that .. go to #politics |
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| 16:18.47 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: relax, this is just a desktop manager sheesh |
| 16:18.47 | kspath | abrotman: Please do not take my stapler... lovely stapler |
| 16:18.50 | abrotman | dusty-: dpkg -l xdm .. is it installed ? |
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| 16:19.04 | intero | sanxiyn: okay, i'll purge and try again :) thansk |
| 16:19.05 | JKL_ | how do i change my tftp server port? |
| 16:19.16 | corvette | when I login to debian as something other than root it says "Sound server information" "error while initalizing the sound driver" "device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)" |
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| 16:19.23 | raf256[laptop] | JKL_: is there like /etc/tftp.conf? or look man tftp |
| 16:19.31 | JKL_ | raf256[laptop]: no |
| 16:19.50 | raf256[laptop] | corvette: add this user to group audio |
| 16:19.54 | sanxiyn | corvette: Add yourself to audio g... |
| 16:19.55 | sanxiyn | late |
| 16:19.56 | corvette | k thanks |
| 16:19.58 | JKL_ | raf256[laptop]: i mean no conf file. |
| 16:20.08 | raf256[laptop] | JKL_: try the man, mon |
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| 16:20.26 | abrotman | !xsession |
| 16:20.26 | dpkg | from memory, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 16:20.34 | JKL_ | raf256[laptop]: ok, i read it again |
| 16:20.46 | abrotman | !.xinitrc |
| 16:20.46 | dpkg | somebody said .xinitrc was actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1) |
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| 16:21.00 | justdust | is there a walktrough somewhere for the unstable install ? |
| 16:21.01 | opc0de | hey how can I find out what dependencies are preventing a certain package from being upgraded? |
| 16:21.22 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 16:21.22 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 16:21.32 | corvette | So that's what groups are foor |
| 16:21.33 | raf256[laptop] | justdust: I install debian stable from d-i net install, then I change /etc/apt/sources.lists to have "unstable" and update, upgrade |
| 16:21.34 | corvette | for |
| 16:21.35 | abrotman | opc0de: which version of debian .. which package? |
| 16:21.37 | corvette | Cool, linux rules |
| 16:21.42 | corvette | the more you learn about it the better it becomes |
| 16:21.43 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: DON'T DO THAT |
| 16:21.50 | sanxiyn | Hm, I'm sure there was factoid talking about gnome-session, startkde, startxfce4 one liners... |
| 16:21.51 | corvette | Wow, amazing |
| 16:21.52 | corvette | Thanks |
| 16:22.01 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: erm... what is wrong with that? it worked last time |
| 16:22.03 | abrotman | raf256[laptop]: unless you're going to be here to pick up the pieces when his sid breaks .. don't tell people who to do that |
| 16:22.10 | falkon | Trying to fix my fudged laptop, round two. okay, on boot every time suddenly I get |
| 16:22.21 | falkon | "/: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY" |
| 16:22.26 | JKL_ | ok my tftp servers port is correct. how do i enable it? |
| 16:22.36 | abrotman | would you rather have expected inconsistency? |
| 16:22.43 | falkon | no reason, the system just isn't unmounting properly anymore |
| 16:22.46 | raf256[laptop] | abrotman: ah. yes, justdust - installing unstable is indeed UNSTABLE, system WILL sooner or later totally fuck itself up and brake apart. |
| 16:22.49 | sanxiyn | falkon: That sucks. |
| 16:22.52 | opc0de | abrotman: apache-ssl, telnet, php4, xterm, bind9, etc.. I just don't want to do a dist-upgrade.. I'd rather do the upgrades by hand |
| 16:22.53 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 16:22.53 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 16:22.55 | raf256[laptop] | !unstable |
| 16:22.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
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| 16:23.08 | abrotman | opc0de: which version of debian ? |
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| 16:23.24 | opc0de | abrotman: oh sorry, unstable |
| 16:23.24 | falkon | So, I'm thinking give it to good old FFR just like the windows days |
| 16:23.27 | opc0de | er testing rather |
| 16:23.30 | sanxiyn | justdust: Keep your resuce disk handy. |
| 16:23.33 | falkon | I really thought debian was better than that |
| 16:23.36 | sanxiyn | (If you're to use unstable.) |
| 16:23.40 | opnsrc | Ok, I have a network drive. Under Windows I can access it by typing in \\dsmg600 or \\192.168.1.104 |
| 16:23.45 | opnsrc | How do i access it via linux? |
| 16:23.45 | abrotman | opc0de: what if you type apt-get install apache-ssl telnet ... etc |
| 16:23.56 | abrotman | opnsrc: smbclient |
| 16:24.02 | opc0de | abrotman: let me try |
| 16:24.03 | stew | falkon: which filesystem? |
| 16:24.21 | andax | opnsrc: in gnome you have a network browser |
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| 16:24.31 | sanxiyn | opnsrc: You do that by clicking "Places", "Network Services" in GNOME, or I think so. |
| 16:24.37 | opnsrc | I have KDE |
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| 16:24.42 | opnsrc | Well I also have Gnome but I'm on KDE now |
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| 16:24.47 | sanxiyn | I believe there's equivalent in KDE too. |
| 16:24.50 | falkon | stew: honestly I can't tell. I get the error right after it activates swap, but nothing shows up in /var/log/messages or /var/log/dmesg |
| 16:24.50 | abrotman | konqueror should be able to do that |
| 16:24.55 | opc0de | abrotman: yeah that seems to work, thanks |
| 16:25.25 | abrotman | opc0de: just using apt-get upgrade will not upgrade a package if new packages are to be installed |
| 16:25.26 | falkon | stew: it does say "Checking root file system.../: Superblock last write time is in the future." |
| 16:25.32 | sanxiyn | Argh I'm corrupted I got RHCE today. |
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| 16:25.40 | opnsrc | hold up I'm going to intsall smbclient. Thanks |
| 16:25.43 | abrotman | sanxiyn: wash your mouth out! |
| 16:25.52 | opc0de | abrotman: right, that's what dist-upgrade is for, right? I've just had bad experiences with dist-upgrade in the past, so wanted to avoid it.. |
| 16:26.00 | abrotman | opnsrc: konqueror should be able to do that in some GUI fashion |
| 16:26.41 | sanxiyn | RHCT: 81.8 RHCE: 92.9 Result: PASS. |
| 16:26.41 | abrotman | opc0de: well .. yeah .. roughly |
| 16:26.41 | JKL_ | tftp server. how to start it? |
| 16:26.41 | abrotman | sanxiyn: slacker |
| 16:26.42 | opnsrc | well I'm not sure what to type |
| 16:26.42 | opnsrc | or how to get to it |
| 16:26.44 | abrotman | opnsrc: the best people to ask about that are #debian-kde or #kde |
| 16:26.49 | opnsrc | I tried \\dsmg600 in firefox, didn't work. Let me try Konqueror |
| 16:26.57 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 16:26.57 | abrotman | i don't think we have too many KDE people in here anymore |
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| 16:27.35 | resiak | !sing chugga |
| 16:27.38 | resiak | =( |
| 16:27.43 | abrotman | |splat|: fix your ISP |
| 16:27.44 | chugga | hi resiak |
| 16:27.50 | falkon | stew: still with me? |
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| 16:28.19 | abrotman | @wb thingfish |
| 16:28.28 | abrotman | ack .. ravenbird died |
| 16:28.40 | thingfish | good morning, abrotman. |
| 16:28.45 | abrotman | barely |
| 16:28.51 | abrotman | barely good .. barely morning |
| 16:28.54 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 16:29.14 | stew | falkon: the superblock in the future think is a hwclock bug |
| 16:29.18 | stew | falkon: what version of debian? |
| 16:29.27 | thingfish | abrotman: let's both hope the day gets better from this point. |
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| 16:29.37 | chugga | question. ive just installed etch .. and i think it knows about my power managerment stuff. how do i tell it to suspend when i close the lid etc? |
| 16:29.42 | abrotman | thingfish: i have a three day weekend .. |
| 16:29.52 | abrotman | thingfish: and i think i've been invited to a stripper party this weekend |
| 16:29.58 | thingfish | abrotman: now see, things are better already! |
| 16:30.02 | stew | falkon: is /usr a separate partition? |
| 16:30.03 | thingfish | :) |
| 16:30.08 | falkon | stew: that it is |
| 16:30.12 | abrotman | chugga: i just saw this somewhere ... |
| 16:30.21 | falkon | stew: I'm reading up on this bug atm |
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| 16:30.33 | stew | falkon: #342887 |
| 16:30.42 | falkon | whatnow? |
| 16:30.49 | falkon | oh i see |
| 16:30.49 | stew | falkon: i think moving the localtime link to be on / (and not a symlink) fixes this |
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| 16:31.28 | Tuttle_ | I use mailman 2.1.5 from sarge and getting SHUNTING since UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte... what can I do with it? |
| 16:31.39 | jelly | Is there a way to use automounter if the shares have whitespace in names? |
| 16:31.58 | nuskool | can anyone tell me why my system clock might be set back a few hours every time I boot into linux? it's kind of annoying to have to run fsck every time I boot... |
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| 16:32.12 | Badm4n | anyone http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=116667 <-- have any idea about this ? ( urgent ) |
| 16:32.21 | falkon | stew: I'm trying to figure out what the real fix is |
| 16:32.43 | sanxiyn | Tuttle_: Install python-cjkcodecs, or other codecs you need. |
| 16:32.47 | chugga | abrotman: yes? about suspend? |
| 16:32.59 | stew | falkon: if you google that error you will find a discussion on lists.debian.org |
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| 16:33.11 | stew | Badm4n: go to #ubuntu |
| 16:33.14 | sanxiyn | Tuttle_: I *think* it's likely that Asian spams are triggering decoding error... |
| 16:33.30 | Badm4n | i did no one can answer but my question not about the distro but about the HTB |
| 16:33.38 | stew | Badm4n: then try a mailing list |
| 16:33.46 | Badm4n | i did :( |
| 16:33.50 | Badm4n | still no answer |
| 16:33.57 | sanxiyn | wtf is htb? |
| 16:34.00 | Badm4n | i though one of you know why that can be happen |
| 16:34.04 | Tuttle_ | sanxiyn: No, it's the mail in czech. I'm afraid python-cjkcodecs wont help with a windows-1250 (east europe) enconded mail (Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit)... |
| 16:34.13 | sanxiyn | Tuttle_: Ah, indeed. |
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| 16:34.40 | sanxiyn | Tuttle_: Try python2.3-iconvcodec |
| 16:34.41 | Tuttle_ | sanxiyn: Do you use mailman from sarge or the latest stable upstream? |
| 16:34.55 | stew | sanxiyn: hierachical token bucket, used in traffic shaping |
| 16:35.00 | sanxiyn | Tuttle_: I ran mailman once upon a time. :( |
| 16:35.26 | sanxiyn | Tuttle_: If iconv supports encoding, iconvcodec should too. |
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| 16:35.49 | Badm4n | sanxiyn : htb is a bandwidth limiter base on client's IP |
| 16:35.53 | Tuttle_ | sanxiyn: i'll try and wait for more such mail, but i doubt it will help. thanks anyway |
| 16:35.56 | sanxiyn | (Note that iconvcodec doesn't/can't support full Python codec API, but it works reasonably well.) |
| 16:36.04 | Tuttle_ | Badm4n: based on many things :) |
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| 16:36.18 | abrotman | chugga: i found a bunch of stuff on google "laptop lid suspend linux" |
| 16:36.19 | Badm4n | :D |
| 16:36.42 | sanxiyn | Badm4n: You mean, find: warning: thing? |
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| 16:36.46 | sanxiyn | Badm4n: Do as what it says. |
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| 16:36.59 | Badm4n | yes |
| 16:37.07 | sanxiyn | Badm4n: Put -maxdepth before any other options. |
| 16:37.08 | Badm4n | i cant find the "warning" want too :( |
| 16:37.24 | Badm4n | <sanxiyn> Badm4n: Put -maxdepth before any other options. <-- where ? all of my conf ? |
| 16:38.03 | sanxiyn | Badm4n: No idea. Wherever find is called. It's harmless, except it's annoying and fills log. Write logcheck rule to ignore it if you want. |
| 16:38.12 | chugga | abrotman: yes. do i need to run a daemon or something like that? :) |
| 16:38.19 | cusco | how do I get the signal level from my wireless interface? |
| 16:38.23 | sanxiyn | chugga: No. |
| 16:38.30 | Badm4n | hmmm |
| 16:39.05 | chugga | sanxiyn: because i tried closing it and it didnt suspend |
| 16:39.05 | KerPlunk | cusco: Try #wireless |
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| 16:39.16 | KerPlunk | cusco: What kind of network interface card do you have? |
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| 16:39.50 | stew | cusco: cat /proc/net/wireless |
| 16:40.16 | stew | cusco: or /sbin/iwconfig |
| 16:40.18 | cusco | thks |
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| 16:40.41 | Badm4n | btw |
| 16:40.53 | Badm4n | do you know what else packaged |
| 16:40.59 | Badm4n | that have same function like htb >? |
| 16:41.07 | stew | Badm4n: ask #ubuntu |
| 16:41.34 | sanxiyn | Badm4n: Is the transcript from deadrat |
| 16:42.56 | sanxiyn | (I don't think /etc/sysconfig is present in Debian or Ubuntu.) |
| 16:43.21 | justdust2 | little question... where can I find sources-list for unstable and where is it located on myy disk ? |
| 16:43.37 | stew | justdust2: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 16:43.55 | cisee | djustdust: /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 16:44.00 | justdust2 | hello stew |
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| 16:45.19 | justdust2 | stew: I'm still trying to get 3D running, xchg found a driver for my savage card, but it's in the unstable dist, can't I just gert the driver and stick it in here ? |
| 16:46.04 | Badm4n | sanxiyn : i have already mkdir that folder and i have already set my htb-initxxxx to get config from there |
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| 16:46.17 | stew | justdust2: no, you would have to compile a newer kernel |
| 16:46.25 | Badm4n | ii think that is find bug based on http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=15194 do you have solution for that ? |
| 16:46.45 | sanxiyn | Badm4n: No, it's not a find bug. |
| 16:47.09 | falkon | stew: okay, I think I found something better that will help minimize headache. How do I set my hw clock? is that in the bios? and how far from GMT is UTC? |
| 16:47.12 | sanxiyn | (Or, it's claimed to be a feature at least) |
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| 16:47.24 | Badm4n | swt |
| 16:47.25 | sanxiyn | falkon: GMT=UTC. |
| 16:47.27 | rpt | pff..is there no 'ready' config file for the new kernel 2.6.15 which has the most common settings one would need?? |
| 16:47.44 | justdust2 | stew: I downloaded the 1st iso from unstable release, booted from it, after a while it gives me a shell, but I don't know what to do next... |
| 16:47.46 | sanxiyn | rpt: /boot/config-2.6.15* |
| 16:47.56 | stew | justdust2: you should not run unstable |
| 16:48.02 | falkon | sanxiyn: so, since I am in GMT -6hrs, should I set my hw clock 6 hrs ahead of now? |
| 16:48.12 | sanxiyn | falkon: Set hw clock to UTC. |
| 16:48.15 | P-K | How do I find out the authoritative name servers for a subnet? |
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| 16:48.16 | rpt | sanxiyn: why would i have that there when i havent compiled the new kernel yet? :f |
| 16:48.19 | sanxiyn | Well, actually it's your choice. |
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| 16:48.29 | falkon | sanxiyn: I want to set it to UTC |
| 16:48.31 | erchache | hihi |
| 16:48.35 | sanxiyn | falkon: Set it to UTC. |
| 16:48.37 | asrail | rpt: such file would be /proc/config.gz, if you're running a kernel with support for it which works. But may be it is very modular and not optimized. |
| 16:48.38 | Gnea | justdust2: use of the unstable boot iso is not recommended nor supported. |
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| 16:48.42 | erchache | im making a backup of my server partitions with dd |
| 16:48.43 | justdust2 | stew: If I don't run unstable I'll never get 3D running on this boxx because there's no driver for my card... |
| 16:48.48 | erchache | but takes a lot of time.... |
| 16:48.52 | stew | justdust2: upgrading to unstable just to get a newer kernel would be silly, just get a newer kernel |
| 16:49.01 | erchache | can do a dd with mount disk? |
| 16:49.01 | falkon | sanxiyn: since I'm GMT -6 hrs, if I set hwclock 6hrs ahead, will I be at UTC? |
| 16:49.02 | Gnea | justdust2: but you can install stable and upgrade to unstable |
| 16:49.03 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.06 | erchache | or need to umount? |
| 16:49.11 | rpt | sanxiyn: all I want is a config that'll most likely boot without problems, not having to go through it step by step again :( |
| 16:49.14 | asrail | rpt: So you should take care and read a lot. It isn't hard. |
| 16:49.16 | sanxiyn | falkon: Eh... hw clock and linux clock is separate. |
| 16:49.24 | falkon | sanxiyn: right. |
| 16:49.28 | justdust2 | Gnea: how do I do that ? |
| 16:49.38 | stew | justdust2: Gnea: no, that is stupid |
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| 16:49.40 | sanxiyn | falkon: I have hw clock set to UTC, and have /etc/localtime linked appropriately. |
| 16:49.41 | Gnea | justdust2: install stable. then upgrade. |
| 16:49.48 | justdust2 | stew: how do I get a newer kernel ? |
| 16:49.52 | stouset | What is the standard X Mode_switch key? |
| 16:49.56 | falkon | sanxiyn: hw clock is set in bios, correct? |
| 16:49.58 | stew | justdust2: /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:50.01 | justdust2 | Gnea: I'm on stable now... |
| 16:50.49 | Gnea | justdust2: are you aware of the method for upgrading to testing/etch? |
| 16:50.56 | sanxiyn | falkon: I did set time with ntpdate, and shutdown copies that to hw clock. |
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| 16:51.15 | stew | Gnea: stop |
| 16:51.17 | Aronofsky | hi everyone |
| 16:51.21 | falkon | ntpdate set my clock, but it's not set to utc, it's set to central time |
| 16:51.33 | sanxiyn | Hm, it doesn't matter. |
| 16:51.33 | Gnea | stew: pardon? |
| 16:51.44 | Gnea | stew: do not tell me how i should do things. |
| 16:51.59 | Aronofsky | how can I use revoke to delete all that is related to a specific db ( that i want to drop ), i read the doc but i dont get it ( something like that i guess REVOKE ALL ON test.* ... this line doesn't work by the way ) |
| 16:52.01 | stew | Gnea: he really shouldn't be running unstable |
| 16:52.11 | Aronofsky | in mysql , sorry |
| 16:52.12 | chugga | abrotman: ok i installed the hibernate package, ran hibernate and it says my kernel doesnt have software suspend 2 support compiled in .. it says i should visit http://www.suspend2.net/ for instructions on how to compile it in |
| 16:52.12 | Gnea | stew: that is not your decision to make. |
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| 16:53.17 | sanxiyn | falkon: Open /etc/default/rcS, change UTC= line |
| 16:53.25 | justdust2 | Gnea: stew, this is a testing machine, I just want to try out linux, play ET on itn and put some mp3's on it... run apache, nothing more... |
| 16:53.45 | sanxiyn | falkon: Debian should do the right thing at boot/shutdown depending on that setting wrt hw clock. |
| 16:53.52 | justdust2 | the only problem is 3D doesn't work... |
| 16:54.06 | Gnea | justdust2: what video card is it? |
| 16:54.15 | justdust2 | S3 savage |
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| 16:54.27 | Gnea | ew |
| 16:54.29 | stew | Gnea: give him your contact info so he can contact you directly then, we should have to support him running unstable |
| 16:54.36 | stew | should not* |
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| 16:55.03 | justdust2 | stew: Is there another way around then ? |
| 16:55.07 | Gnea | stew: oh gee, i'm sorry, since when did #debian become #debian-stable? |
| 16:55.08 | stew | justdust2: yes |
| 16:55.10 | falkon | sanxiyn: problem is, the new e2fsck is checking the clock on startup, and /usr isn't mounted yet, so it goes "oh noes!" |
| 16:55.12 | Aronofsky | anyone can help me with mysql, is that syntax at least correct : REVOKE ALL ON test.* |
| 16:55.22 | sanxiyn | falkon: Argh. |
| 16:55.23 | stew | Gnea: as long as i've been here, so at least a few years |
| 16:55.34 | justdust2 | stew: so I do like you said in dpkg ? |
| 16:55.36 | stew | justdust2: i've told you a bunch of times now |
| 16:55.39 | Gnea | stew: your perception is askewed then. you are now on /ignore |
| 16:55.58 | falkon | sanxiyn: exactly. |
| 16:56.01 | sanxiyn | falkon: I *think*, copying timezone to /etc/localtime instead of linking should resolve that, but I'm sure there's bug in BTS regarding that. |
| 16:56.17 | Gnea | justdust2: it's up to you, really, you can do it stew's way or you can do it the debian way |
| 16:56.30 | stew | hah |
| 16:56.34 | sanxiyn | !dbugs 342887 |
| 16:56.36 | falkon | sanxiyn: if i change hwclockfirst.sh to boot after fs mounts occur, wouldn't that fix it? |
| 16:56.37 | dpkg | #342887:S[util-linux] util-linux: hwclock runs too early, breaking the system time; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:48:02 UTC |
| 16:56.48 | falkon | that's the one |
| 16:56.51 | sanxiyn | falkon: I think so. |
| 16:56.59 | falkon | I'm trying to figure out the actual fix |
| 16:57.26 | justdust2 | I'm going to read the kp thing and give it a try... sorry for the many questions... |
| 16:57.35 | chugga | hmm guys is there a way for me to check if there is a debian kernel thing with software support already compiled .. to save me from doing it myself? |
| 16:57.37 | Hak`M | does anyone here has experience with installing debian on a dreambox (satellite reciever)? |
| 16:57.43 | sanxiyn | falkon: Copying to /etc/localtime does fix it. |
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| 16:57.51 | Gnea | justdust2: the same idea applies, just s/testing/unstable/g |
| 16:58.06 | falkon | sanxiyn: okay, so if I set UTC=yes in /etc/default/rcS, do I need to change my bios clock? |
| 16:58.08 | sanxiyn | falkon: It may break other programs which want to change timezone, I think, but I don't need to change timezone ;; |
| 16:58.17 | sanxiyn | falkon: I don't think so. |
| 16:58.41 | dvm1981 | justdust2: 'stew' try in several ways to you to not mess up with ustable before you know the basic and essential things before going to deep into things that can be complicated. |
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| 16:58.49 | falkon | sanxiyn: it says system clock; is that internal bios clock or kernel time? |
| 16:59.10 | sanxiyn | falkon: "sys" usually refers to kernel time, "hc" refers to bios clock (rtc) |
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| 16:59.25 | Gnea | how many noobs have to be suckered into running testing just to satisfy debian's end means instead of satisfying the needs of the end user? |
| 16:59.29 | falkon | sanxiyn: so SHOULD my rtc be set to GMT or not? |
| 16:59.34 | myren | la da da. exporting a 9000x9000 DIA image to png... this might take all week. :/ |
| 16:59.46 | Gnea | if i didn't know any better, debian was becoming more of a corporation and less of a community |
| 16:59.53 | sanxiyn | falkon: That mostly doesn't matter. |
| 17:00.08 | sanxiyn | falkon: If you have dual boot with Windows, set to local. (UTC=no) |
| 17:00.23 | tosty | ddo you know if it's possible to change the x server of a running process ? |
| 17:00.36 | tosty | (for information i run 2 x server ) |
| 17:00.39 | falkon | sanxiyn: deb only system. I just want my actual clock to be correct. It helps the whole timestamping thing ya know |
| 17:00.49 | chugga | !dpkg kernel |
| 17:00.51 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.15, snapshot: 2.6.15-git9, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.15-mm3 |
| 17:00.55 | justdust2 | dvm1981: I tried to install unstable from the iso, got to shell end didn't know how to proceed, so I'll stick to stable and learn this first.../ |
| 17:01.11 | sanxiyn | falkon: I heard that UTC=yes helps with daylight saving madness, but happily I'm not involved in such insanity. |
| 17:01.15 | tictac | lol |
| 17:01.24 | xchg | justdust: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 17:01.41 | sanxiyn | justdust2: Hm, can you install unstable from ISO? |
| 17:01.41 | falkon | sanxiyn: I do need that daylight savings time, but when I type "date" will I be getting the correct time? |
| 17:01.46 | dvm1981 | justdust: That's a right and good thing man ;-) |
| 17:01.50 | sanxiyn | falkon: Yes. |
| 17:01.54 | falkon | okay |
| 17:01.55 | falkon | thanks |
| 17:01.58 | sanxiyn | falkon: UTC=yes/no doesn't matter for kernel time. |
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| 17:02.04 | falkon | ahh okay |
| 17:02.10 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 17:02.20 | justdust2 | xchg: ??? |
| 17:02.24 | S4nD3r | Openoffice.2 is possible to install in sarge using apt-get ??? |
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| 17:02.27 | xchg | btw, never seen stable, how does it looks like ? :-)) |
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| 17:02.45 | xchg | justdust: on unstable. apt-get install x-window-system as the root |
| 17:02.57 | sanxiyn | S4nD3r: backports.org have it. |
| 17:02.58 | justdust2 | xchg: install X ? I'm in KDE... |
| 17:02.59 | falkon | holy shit |
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| 17:03.14 | justdust2 | xchg: x is there scince a few days... |
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| 17:03.25 | xchg | justdust: i thought you're speaking about console shell |
| 17:03.35 | falkon | /etc/localtime points to /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Central |
| 17:03.39 | falkon | how lame is that |
| 17:03.43 | CodeWarrior_ | folks, what package I need to install to get a GDM in pt_BR ? |
| 17:03.45 | sanxiyn | falkon: How is it lame? |
| 17:03.46 | justdust2 | xchg: the console shell from unstable is very limited.... |
| 17:03.50 | dvm1981 | Gnea: My 3D card, not work here in stable version, but im still here in stable. I test Testing in virtual pc to learn more about it before i crash to the wall. Step by step we advance, but not try to go to fast or all fails |
| 17:03.58 | sanxiyn | falkon: (Yes, that's the origin of all problem) |
| 17:04.00 | falkon | sanxiyn: it tries to set time when /usr isn't mounted |
| 17:04.03 | justdust2 | xchg: apt isn't there... |
| 17:04.13 | smicha | aptitude install gdm |
| 17:04.18 | S4nD3r | Where I find openoffice.org2 to install in my sarge ? |
| 17:04.30 | smicha | hmm |
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| 17:04.37 | CodeWarrior_ | smicha: I did it, but I want it in pt_BR it's in US |
| 17:04.54 | stew | CodeWarrior_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:04.56 | CodeWarrior_ | S4nD3r: www.backports.org |
| 17:04.56 | sanxiyn | falkon: Well, it used to be that fsck doesn't check time. |
| 17:05.16 | CodeWarrior_ | stew: I tried too, it seems to be ok, in pt_BR, but GDM doesnt |
| 17:05.26 | S4nD3r | Is that working ??backports.org |
| 17:05.34 | sanxiyn | S4nD3r: Yes it does. |
| 17:05.44 | CodeWarrior_ | S4nD3r: sure |
| 17:05.45 | nprice | i'm trying to mount a fat16 flash drive using "mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /mnt/usb" and it says invalid type and dmesg outputs "FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdb." any ideas, i know this is a good non-corrupted fat16 volume |
| 17:05.48 | dvm1981 | justdust: The day that i really whant to play a game i buy my a game console ... |
| 17:06.02 | sanxiyn | S4nD3r: http://backports.org/package.php?search=openoffice.org |
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| 17:06.15 | sanxiyn | S4nD3r: Note that it's named openoffice.org, *NOT* openoffice.org2 |
| 17:06.18 | falkon | sanxiyn: right, so I could get away for a while with fudged time |
| 17:06.20 | S4nD3r | letme see |
| 17:06.23 | stew | CodeWarrior_: and LANG is set in /etc/environment? |
| 17:06.30 | justdust2 | dvm1981: disagree... |
| 17:06.30 | dvm1981 | justdust: I hope this day comme never... |
| 17:06.42 | CodeWarrior_ | stew: let me see... |
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| 17:06.49 | sanxiyn | falkon: Make it a copy instaed of a symlink... |
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| 17:07.01 | sanxiyn | I think the idea was that zoneinfo may need update. |
| 17:07.15 | Thumann | hi all.. anyone ever tried compiling binutils and it just keeps compiling in circles?! it'b been going on for 2 hours now.. :s |
| 17:07.25 | CodeWarrior_ | stew: yes, it's set ok |
| 17:07.28 | xchg | dvm1981: i've played with several kernels today. seems to be strange, but my ATI acts normally only on .15 |
| 17:07.31 | dvm1981 | justdust: I use a computer to work not to play, or must be better say, play games ... because i consider working on my computer is playing |
| 17:07.33 | stew | CodeWarrior_: you might try asking in #debian-br |
| 17:07.34 | sanxiyn | Thumann: Check clock. |
| 17:07.47 | Thumann | clock? |
| 17:07.52 | falkon | sanxiyn: do you think it would help to change the priority of hwclock.sh as well? |
| 17:07.54 | CodeWarrior_ | stew: I tried, but nobody answer nothing about that to me |
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| 17:08.01 | sanxiyn | make can do silly things if timestamp isn't right, I think. |
| 17:08.11 | sanxiyn | falkon: Yes, I think so. |
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| 17:08.21 | S4nD3r | Ok... I see |
| 17:08.29 | dvm1981 | xchg: I have take my book back "O'Reilly - Linux in a nutshell 4ed" |
| 17:08.33 | S4nD3r | I created /etc/apt/preferences |
| 17:08.39 | CodeWarrior_ | stew: I'm installing a light configuration, is there any package I needed to install to get it ok ? like kde-i18n-pt_BR ? |
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| 17:08.45 | falkon | sanxiyn: okay, never done that. Do I just change the number in front of it? |
| 17:08.47 | S4nD3r | Which address to put in sources.list? |
| 17:08.50 | Thumann | O rly? |
| 17:08.50 | xchg | dvm1981: never read it. usefull book ? |
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| 17:09.31 | dvm1981 | xchg: I like the books of O'Reilly, these also is a good reference, i read it again becaus it was long time |
| 17:09.41 | dvm1981 | ago |
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| 17:09.47 | Thumann | well.. time and date is completely off.. but how should that affect make? |
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| 17:09.59 | Thumann | jan 7, 22:11:2+ cet 2004 |
| 17:10.00 | xchg | dvm1981: agree, O'Reilly series are just great. |
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| 17:10.19 | Thumann | jan 13, 18:10 gmt+1 2006 |
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| 17:10.22 | Gathond | Thumann: it might disrupts its cheking of whether stuff needs to be rebuilt or not |
| 17:10.29 | Thumann | i see |
| 17:10.32 | dvm1981 | xchg: I have thing a lots about Debian when i have sleep i little bit, |
| 17:10.38 | justdust2 | o'reilly's python cookbook is great |
| 17:10.40 | Thumann | i'll kill it, set date.. and try again? |
| 17:10.40 | valmik | i am trying to configure my soundcard with udev kernel 2.6.12 in debian ? but i am not getting meaning of these files /dev/snd/{controlC0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1c pcmC0D2c pcmC0D3c pcmC0D4p timer} |
| 17:10.46 | dvm1981 | xchg: Sorry think |
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| 17:11.05 | dvm1981 | xchg: Embitions ... :-) |
| 17:11.08 | sanxiyn | justdust2: Yup, I even have recipe in it (2nd edition) :-) |
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| 17:11.20 | valmik | why dsp file is not there , does that mean driver of my sound card is not loaded ? |
| 17:11.32 | Pedro420 | nvz: are you ariund |
| 17:11.40 | stew | valmik: if you are looking for /dev/dsp you need to load snd-pcm-oss |
| 17:11.44 | dvm1981 | xchg: Do you know the book 'Copyright does not exist' ? |
| 17:11.46 | Pedro420 | nvz:around* |
| 17:11.55 | valmik | k |
| 17:12.09 | xchg | dvm1981: no, i've rarely read something computer-special, except mans :-) |
| 17:12.25 | S4nD3r | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org sarge-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 17:12.25 | xchg | dvm1981: have enough computer relations each day, every day :) |
| 17:12.27 | S4nD3r | How solve it ? |
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| 17:12.49 | falkon | Okay, one more simple question. How do I change my boot configuration to boot into a command line and take out xdm all together |
| 17:12.51 | S4nD3r | !dpkg key |
| 17:13.03 | bbrazil | !nox |
| 17:13.03 | stew | S4nD3r: /msg dpkg apt-key 16BA136C |
| 17:13.17 | stew | falkon: apt-get remove xdm ; or /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 17:13.25 | S4nD3r | i did it |
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| 17:13.27 | xchg | dvm1981: Steven Levy, Hackers - heroes of computer revolution is a good reading, btw |
| 17:13.30 | dvm1981 | xchg: I have read it some times ago, and i find that it have open some things in my, or so, how to explain it. I really sugest you this book, free to read, i have it on my server |
| 17:13.43 | xchg | dvm1981: strictly recommend to read it |
| 17:13.51 | dvm1981 | xchg: Yes, i have it on my server |
| 17:13.56 | sanxiyn | xchg: A good book indeed. |
| 17:14.07 | sanxiyn | xchg: Somebody should write a sequel :-) |
| 17:14.15 | pipeline | sanxiyn, xchg, dvm1981 : "Hackers," like all of Stephen Levy's work, is, uh, not so much a serious history as a fawning hagiography. |
| 17:14.19 | xchg | dvm1981: the first thing i need is to search for my fscked PDA i lost somewhere in the room yesterday :-) |
| 17:14.23 | valmik | stew, it works :) |
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| 17:14.30 | xchg | dvm1981: then i can read the book on it :-) |
| 17:14.31 | dvm1981 | xchg: So, i have begin to read some parts a long time ago, but i found its was verry dificult, or i mis |
| 17:14.35 | clydem | falkon: rename /etc/rc2.d/S99xdm to something like s99xdm |
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| 17:15.19 | xchg | pipeline: it just gives the impression of good-old past days to today's newbie i guess |
| 17:15.24 | abrotman | pipeline: it's like a script for a documentary |
| 17:15.24 | sanxiyn | pipeline: So is "Men of Mathematics", but that never prevented the book from inspiring many of prominent 20th century mathematicans. |
| 17:15.29 | dvm1981 | pipeline: thx, i note, i search later about it :-) |
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| 17:15.36 | falkon | Problem! When I try apt-get remove xdm, it wants to remove X all together |
| 17:15.50 | lemark | hi |
| 17:15.55 | falkon | I just want to remove the dm and start x using startx |
| 17:15.57 | sanxiyn | pipeline: I also enjoyed "Cryptography" by Steven Levy. |
| 17:16.05 | lemark | verga |
| 17:16.11 | stew | falkon: just x-window-system, which is a meta pacakge, its not acutally removing xserver-* |
| 17:16.11 | lemark | alguien habla español aki |
| 17:16.15 | clydem | falkon: just rename /etc/rc2.d/S99xdm to soemthing else |
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| 17:16.15 | xchg | falkon: there's a non-debian way, just remove /etc/init.d/xdm :-) |
| 17:16.19 | stew | !es |
| 17:16.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:16.19 | rosita | ola |
| 17:16.20 | raulillo | hola |
| 17:16.22 | dvm1981 | xchg: Try to let it to ring, like my GSM, when i not found it |
| 17:16.23 | raulillo | rosita |
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| 17:16.44 | xchg | dvm1981: eh, me (dumb) switched off bluetooth yesterday |
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| 17:16.59 | encarnita | españññññññolllllllllllllllllll |
| 17:17.06 | raulillo | ola xchg q tal |
| 17:17.09 | stew | encarnita: #debian-es |
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| 17:17.15 | S4nD3r | this backports doesnt work |
| 17:17.18 | S4nD3r | really |
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| 17:17.25 | encarnita | ola |
| 17:17.30 | raulillo | alguien para........... |
| 17:17.37 | stew | raulillo: #debian-es |
| 17:17.41 | encarnita | ami me hablais español |
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| 17:17.46 | raulillo | hola stew |
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| 17:17.51 | stew | raulillo: english only in here |
| 17:17.52 | raulillo | q tal |
| 17:17.54 | encarnita | nada de ingles nina de eso |
| 17:18.11 | encarnita | pos na aki xateando un pokillo |
| 17:18.14 | raulillo | stew no english no |
| 17:18.25 | stew | raulillo: go to #debian-es then |
| 17:18.34 | asrail | encarnita: jo no ablo spañol |
| 17:18.44 | Haukkari | !spanish |
| 17:18.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:18.48 | raulillo | do you speak spain? |
| 17:19.09 | encarnita | yes yes |
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| 17:19.22 | dvm1981 | pipeline: Is that a free book to read on the net or buy. That will not say that i would not like to buy it, but i prefer reading on the computer. |
| 17:19.24 | raulillo | stew |
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| 17:19.36 | encarnita | hello |
| 17:20.13 | tchmnkyz | hey all what is wrong with php where it keeps trying to download the .php not parse it. they only way i have found that it will not do this is when i compile php5 and not use apt on it. |
| 17:20.15 | S4nD3r | Os pacotes a seguir têm dependências desencontradas: |
| 17:20.16 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.16 | Pepper | hi, does someone knows the command to record input and output of a console to a file? |
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| 17:20.26 | stew | Pepper: script |
| 17:20.31 | Pepper | thanks! |
| 17:20.38 | encarnita | denada |
| 17:20.58 | falkon | hey stew sanxiyn, etc - thanks for the help |
| 17:21.03 | Gathond | tchmnkyz: usually because the webserver has not been told to treat .php as a script (or does not have php support), so it does the same as with .html files, just send them to the client |
| 17:21.04 | sanxiyn | no problem |
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| 17:21.14 | encarnita | can you speac espñol please |
| 17:21.23 | resiak | !es |
| 17:21.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:21.47 | falkon | sanxiyn: hopefully, i'll get something going right with the hwclock |
| 17:21.48 | thc | yo, what's this error all about: /var/lib/scrollkeeper/sv/scrollkeeper_cl.xml:792: parser error : Extra content at the end of the document |
| 17:21.51 | S4nD3r | Which is the best way.. Use apt-get or download the .deb to install openoffice.org 2 ?? |
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| 17:22.03 | thc | i'm getting this when i try and install certain new packages on a fresh sarge net install |
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| 17:22.17 | sanxiyn | thc: Package name? |
| 17:22.36 | sanxiyn | thc: Sounds like a malformed XML. |
| 17:22.43 | thc | sanxiyn: it happened just now with gpm, and it happened yesterday with galeon-common (but not with galeon) |
| 17:22.45 | SerajewelKS | arg, i rebooted into single-user mode, ran fsck on my / partition, and now when i reboot fsck craps out with "superblock write time is in the future" and drops me to a maintenance shell |
| 17:22.48 | justdust2 | how can I know what kernel I'm running right now ? |
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| 17:22.57 | SerajewelKS | i repeated this process but it still says the same thing. how can i correct this? |
| 17:23.02 | xchg | dvm1981: btw, i'm also thinking about linux sometimes |
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| 17:23.07 | stew | jshoenberger: uname -r |
| 17:23.10 | stew | justdust2: ^^ |
| 17:23.11 | sanxiyn | thc: Most likely it's unrelated to gpm... |
| 17:23.14 | SerajewelKS | and does it have anything to do with the fact that my RTC is set to my local timezone? |
| 17:23.16 | xchg | dvm1981: to be honest i just can't imagine my work without it :-) |
| 17:23.16 | justdust2 | thx |
| 17:23.21 | azeem | SerajewelKS: set the correct time before you fsck in single-user mode |
| 17:23.35 | rpt | brb |
| 17:23.38 | jshoenberger | Oh my, I was so confused! I don't even have a problem yet and you're answering it for me! |
| 17:23.44 | SerajewelKS | azeem: i thought it set the time on boot |
| 17:23.53 | stew | SerajewelKS: see #342887 |
| 17:23.54 | thc | so should i ignore it? the packages that give me that error all seem to work fine |
| 17:23.54 | dvm1981 | xchg: Linux has change verry important things to my, to important, in really crazy |
| 17:24.01 | azeem | SerajewelKS: apparently it sets it to UTC or something |
| 17:24.10 | azeem | or maybe rather not, dunno |
| 17:24.10 | sanxiyn | SerajewelKS: I believe the problem was discussed just before you reported it here... |
| 17:24.16 | dvm1981 | xchg: ... it's really ... |
| 17:24.28 | Fionn | hi all. I am on an AMD64 system and would like to compile a kernel. But I fail because dpkg believes the system architecture is "i386". What do I have to change to convice debian to create my amd64 kernel? |
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| 17:24.48 | sanxiyn | Fionn: Do you have Debian AMD64 installed |
| 17:24.53 | dvm1981 | xchg: Found you're PDA ? |
| 17:24.55 | xchg | dvm1981: i don't know how people can use windows (for example). it so....stupid(?) OS |
| 17:24.56 | agar | rauuuuuuuul |
| 17:24.58 | encrnita | ola |
| 17:25.07 | xchg | dvm1981: nope, searching for it for hours |
| 17:25.09 | SerajewelKS | stew: thanks |
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| 17:25.19 | encrnita | español please |
| 17:25.20 | justdust2 | is "kernel panic" bad news ? |
| 17:25.26 | agar | vete ala mierda |
| 17:25.27 | Fionn | sanxiyn: this is a knoppix install (not my own system) |
| 17:25.29 | sanxiyn | justdust2: Yes. |
| 17:25.36 | xchg | justdust2: bad for someone, good for someone |
| 17:25.36 | dvm1981 | xchg: Many times, i say shit shit shit, way i have loose so many times for a stupid thing ... |
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| 17:25.47 | xchg | justdust2: SIG 11 ? |
| 17:25.49 | encrnita | alguien kiere xinguixingui |
| 17:25.53 | agar | ati no es raul |
| 17:25.55 | samuel | sup all |
| 17:25.56 | resiak | !es |
| 17:25.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:26.02 | resiak | How many sodding times? |
| 17:26.05 | SerajewelKS | stew: i'm running on a kubuntu live cd ATM.. i assume i can just run tzconfig, fsck it again, and hopefully the time will be set properly? |
| 17:26.05 | xchg | justdust2: if so - check your cpu cooler :) |
| 17:26.10 | encrnita | ola |
| 17:26.13 | azeem | encrnita: #debian-es |
| 17:26.14 | justdust2 | hehehe |
| 17:26.21 | azeem | encrnita: /join #debian-es |
| 17:26.29 | agar | olaaaaaa raull |
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| 17:26.53 | rpt | my apt-get is broken, i try to apt-get -f install, but it gives me this: udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted - i cant install, remove or fix anything with apt-get, i run kernel 2.6.8! |
| 17:26.53 | encrnita | español |
| 17:26.56 | encrnita | español |
| 17:26.57 | azeem | encrnita: no |
| 17:26.59 | encrnita | español |
| 17:27.01 | sanxiyn | SerajewelKS: You live in UTC-n timezone? |
| 17:27.02 | stew | azeem: agar encrnita raulillo are all from the same ip |
| 17:27.03 | abrotman | azeem: encrnita and agar are the same IP |
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| 17:27.07 | raulillo | ola |
| 17:27.08 | SerajewelKS | sanxiyn: -5, yes |
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| 17:27.13 | encrnita | ke dises xato |
| 17:27.14 | abrotman | as is raulillo |
| 17:27.17 | raulillo | alguien q able español |
| 17:27.25 | raul | ola |
| 17:27.28 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*=raultala@83.230.235.*] by azeem |
| 17:27.32 | dvm1981 | xchg: way -> 'why' the word that are bad |
| 17:27.33 | Ronin | ahh the spanish trolls are back i see |
| 17:27.35 | agar | yo ablo español |
| 17:27.38 | abrotman | azeem: just ban the whole IP |
| 17:27.40 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@83.230.235.*] by azeem |
| 17:27.44 | abrotman | thank you :) |
| 17:27.47 | rpt | oi stop speaking spanish! :) |
| 17:27.48 | sanxiyn | SerajewelKS: When it tries to fsck, the kernel time is UTC, which is *future* from the point of UTC-n... |
| 17:27.49 | SerajewelKS | sanxiyn: i used tzconfig, set it to East-Indiana, now running fsck. hopefully this will do the trick... |
| 17:27.59 | S4nD3r | do you know where to find OO2 .deb to download ?? |
| 17:28.03 | abrotman | !backports |
| 17:28.04 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 17:28.05 | abrotman | if you're lucky |
| 17:28.05 | sanxiyn | SerajewelKS: tzset should do the trick. |
| 17:28.10 | SerajewelKS | sanxiyn: yes, i know *why* it's having issues... but knowing why doesn't help me boot my system =) |
| 17:28.12 | dvm1981 | xchg: Having some troubles to write english, i do not i many time, i must train me a little bit |
| 17:28.23 | SerajewelKS | sanxiyn: well it does help me indirectly.. anyway.. /me is confused |
| 17:28.37 | SerajewelKS | sanxiyn: i believe what i'm doing now will work.. guess we'll find out |
| 17:29.57 | SerajewelKS | i'd have my RTC set to UTC in a heartbeat if i didn't also run a deprecated OS on this box |
| 17:29.59 | Fionn | sanxiyn: do you mean it is impossible to compile an kernel for amd64 on a system with a debian i386 installation? |
| 17:30.00 | Haukkari | sanxiyn: where is UTC+9? :/ |
| 17:30.21 | sanxiyn | Haukkari: Korea |
| 17:30.46 | sanxiyn | Fionn: It should be possible, but I don't know how. |
| 17:30.58 | Haukkari | sanxiyn: cool |
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| 17:31.01 | sanxiyn | SerajewelKS: I understand that. :( |
| 17:31.06 | Haukkari | sanxiyn: never talked to anyone from Korea before. |
| 17:31.12 | rpt | noone has an idea about my apt problem? :< |
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| 17:31.21 | kspath | I heard there was a Redmond Virus going around detects as Windoze YQ |
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| 17:31.32 | anapivirtua_ | lo all |
| 17:31.46 | stew | rpt: /msg dpkg udev 2.6.12 |
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| 17:31.48 | seb- | does apt-get have built in cert/gpg-key to prevent server spoofing? |
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| 17:32.05 | micky | bonjour |
| 17:32.05 | seb- | how do we know are debs come from kernel.org? :) |
| 17:32.07 | stew | seb-: /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 17:32.25 | SerajewelKS | hmm, kubuntu's cursor theme isn't bad.. |
| 17:32.28 | sanxiyn | seb-: APT 0.6 does. |
| 17:32.29 | kspath | Apparently that Redmond virii has infected approx 90% of machines including their MBR |
| 17:32.42 | seb- | stew: i'd *love* to read that bots message but it didn't come down the pike :( |
| 17:32.45 | rpt | stew, well thats weird, wonder what broke it then :< but i shall do that |
| 17:32.51 | stew | !apt secure |
| 17:32.52 | dpkg | i heard apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D>, or ask me about <2006 key> |
| 17:33.05 | seb- | stew: thanks! you rock |
| 17:33.16 | SerajewelKS | kspath: i should make a BIOS that protects the MBR from being written to by the doze installer... market to linux users... |
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| 17:33.43 | sanxiyn | SerajewelKS: Does linuxbios do that? |
| 17:33.51 | kspath | SerajewelKS: market it as a security tool |
| 17:33.57 | postel | Hi, the man page of package "mlterm" lists towards the end a gui configurator "mlconfig", its not part of the package and its not part of mlterm-tools either. What happened to it? The maintainer dropped it? |
| 17:34.00 | rpt | every time ive compiled a fresh kernel now it ends up in a kernel panic thoguh! :( something about VFS: cannot open root device.. |
| 17:34.04 | sanxiyn | http://www.linuxbios.org/ |
| 17:34.11 | stew | rpt: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
| 17:34.17 | stew | rpt: do you use lilo? |
| 17:34.22 | rpt | stew, grub |
| 17:34.31 | stew | rpt: a self compiled kernel? |
| 17:34.39 | rpt | stew, yes :) |
| 17:34.57 | rpt | stew, happened on my server and my laptop, i honestly went through everything thinking ive had it all for sure |
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| 17:35.33 | stew | rpt: you either forgot to include your root filesystem drivers (ext3?) or forgot your hard disk controller for you specific scsi/ide chipset they must be compiled in directly (*) (not as modules (M)) |
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| 17:36.16 | rpt | stew, thats just it, i made 100% sure i got those both (ext3 support for my scsi chipset...im just wondering if id need some extra FS support |
| 17:36.18 | JKL_ | hwo do i see, if my tftp server is enabled |
| 17:36.52 | stew | rpt: nope, you just need enough to mount the root filesystem, are you sure they are directly in, and not as modules? |
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| 17:37.27 | rpt | stew, yeah theyre not modules, but im gonna recheck once more still |
| 17:37.37 | JKL_ | if i port scan local host it seems that tftp server is online. but when i try to boot i got timeout. what should i do? |
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| 17:38.14 | rpt | stew, i checked from an old 2.4 kernel config and made sure i had the same device & FS supports, so it should work..however i might be missing something else besides the config, such ass steps to take after making the kernel |
| 17:38.29 | stew | rpt: are you using make-kpkg? |
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| 17:38.45 | rpt | stew, yes with --initrd |
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| 17:38.59 | rpt | stew then dpkg -i and thats it |
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| 17:39.22 | stew | rpt: if you are using an initrd then it shouldn't matter if they are modules or not then |
| 17:39.30 | stew | rpt: is update-grub picking up the initrd? |
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| 17:39.58 | rpt | stew yes |
| 17:40.05 | xchg | dvm1981: and..finally..I FOUND THIS BASTARD!!! :-))) |
| 17:40.13 | rpt | stew, though thats new, i dont have to run that b4 i boot do I? |
| 17:40.22 | xchg | dvm1981: computers became SO small that it's very easy to lose them :) |
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| 17:40.38 | xchg | dvm1981: try to loose SGI Origin 2000 for example :)) |
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| 17:40.44 | dvm1981 | xchg: verry small ;-) |
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| 17:41.01 | Estes2 | Hi everyone, i am looking for an SGBD SQL having cluster capabilities with failover. Like mysql-cluster but one that doesn't sucks... |
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| 17:41.05 | dvm1981 | xchg: I don't know what it is. |
| 17:41.08 | xchg | dvm1981: may I ask you for the url of the books ? |
| 17:41.19 | xchg | dvm1981: a huge and very heavy piece of shi...hardware |
| 17:41.28 | dvm1981 | http://debser:3334/cgi-bin/dwww?type=html&location=/usr/share/doc/cfi-en/html/index.html |
| 17:41.32 | dvm1981 | oeps |
| 17:41.33 | clydem | Estes2: checked ingres? |
| 17:41.59 | Estes2 | ingres ? |
| 17:42.00 | dvm1981 | http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/cgi-bin/dwww?type=html&location=/usr/share/doc/cfi-en/html/index.html |
| 17:42.05 | stew | rpt: you should have update-grub in a postinst line in /etc/kernel-img.conf so its being run for you when you dpkg -i |
| 17:42.14 | Estes2 | postgresql doesn't have such a thing right ? |
| 17:42.18 | dvm1981 | xchg: Thats looks better |
| 17:42.18 | xchg | dvm1981: http://www.sgi.com/products/remarketed/origin/2000/images/home_2000.jpg |
| 17:42.33 | xchg | dvm1981: 1.9m tall, about 1meter wide |
| 17:42.48 | dvm1981 | xchg: Can you really loose that ? |
| 17:43.00 | xchg | dvm1981: it was a comparsion example |
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| 17:43.11 | rpt | stew, could not running it after dpkg -i and just rebooting straigth after have this kind of effect then not finding the root device? |
| 17:43.23 | dvm1981 | xchg: ;-) |
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| 17:43.39 | liquide | what encryption is used in debians /etc/shadow ? its a long yucky line :S |
| 17:43.41 | clydem | Estes2: ingres is good... not sure if you are supposed to pay for it though |
| 17:43.54 | dvm1981 | xchg: I have paste the url, i dont know if you have see it |
| 17:43.57 | stew | rpt: in that case grub wouldn't know about the kernel at all |
| 17:44.01 | rpt | stew, nevermind, it was already in there that update-grub line |
| 17:44.21 | Estes2 | hum |
| 17:44.28 | Estes2 | clydem, ok, thanks |
| 17:44.33 | dvm1981 | xchg: My 'HHKB' is new, so i relearn on a qwwerty now :-) |
| 17:44.34 | Gathond | Estes2: postgresQL's core distribution does not, Im pretty sure there are plenty of clustering addons out there though |
| 17:44.54 | Estes2 | ok, will have a look |
| 17:44.56 | Estes2 | thanks |
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| 17:45.15 | xchg | dvm1981: no, sorry |
| 17:45.42 | dvm1981 | xchg: The url ? |
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| 17:45.55 | xchg | dvm1981: found it, thx a lot |
| 17:46.06 | |1n | hi all, there is some proc file that shows isa bus cards? |
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| 17:46.19 | sebastien_ | hello, i am french |
| 17:46.23 | resiak | Good for you"! |
| 17:46.30 | Ronin | hello we arent sebastien_ |
| 17:46.33 | resiak | !fr |
| 17:46.33 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 17:46.51 | sebastien_ | where can i find a sources.list for debian testing with all depots ? |
| 17:47.09 | |1n | just change stable for etch |
| 17:47.27 | dvm1981 | xchg: I have not forget it :-) i looking for the book Hackers - heroes of computer revolution i have it here :-) |
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| 17:47.30 | |1n | and add main crontib non-free on end of line |
| 17:47.41 | xchg | dvm1981: downloaded the whole book to pda, so i get today's night reading :-) |
| 17:47.56 | xchg | dvm1981: i have it, thank you |
| 17:48.10 | dvm1981 | xchg: :-) |
| 17:48.11 | xchg | dvm1981: in russian translation though, having several mistakes |
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| 17:48.22 | CoNaN_ | hello, any version of debian who support sata hd? plz |
| 17:48.30 | dvm1981 | xchg: So you use the PDA at bed ? |
| 17:48.40 | xchg | dvm1981: yes, always |
| 17:48.50 | xchg | dvm1981: dirty nerd am i :-) |
| 17:48.57 | dvm1981 | xchg: ;-) |
| 17:49.22 | afabian | I'm running sarge and I upgraded the kernel from 2.4.27 to 2.6.8 (stock kernels, -686 flavored). I think udev became active in the process; I'm not sure. At any rate, mplayer now, even as root, complains that it has failed to open /dev/rtc. ls tells me that /dev/rtc exists. Anyone know how I can correct this error? I don't know what /dev/rtc does, or what mplayer does with it. It seems to work fine even when it complains. |
| 17:49.38 | xchg | dvm1981: but it's usefull, at least greenpeace can thank me, becose i use ebooks. no trees are used to produce electrons :-)) |
| 17:49.52 | Cratos | how do I get the driver for a 3c905b nic from the debian 3.0 x86 ( kernel version 2.4.27 ) ?? |
| 17:50.09 | dvm1981 | xchg: ;-) yes thats right |
| 17:50.28 | Estes2 | Gathond, yes, with pgpool for example, and it's in debian |
| 17:50.38 | Estes2 | Gathond, i think i'll go this way, mysql sucks |
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| 17:51.18 | Gathond | Estes2: if that fits your purpose that would work yes, Im not quite sure how pgpool works in relation to maintaining integrety on inputs |
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| 17:51.31 | afabian | lsmod shows an rtc module appears to be loaded. |
| 17:52.03 | kittenbot | Hello, /etc/rcS.d doesn't start any servers does it ? |
| 17:52.35 | afabian | hwclock doesn't complain of any errors accessing /dev/rtc; I assume it does do so. |
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| 17:54.15 | Estes2 | Gathond, i'm not sure it can be worse than mysql |
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| 17:54.24 | starfishy | kittenbot: the easiest way to determine that is simply to look at it |
| 17:54.39 | nite613 | Are ther any specific resources for HA in Debian? Looking for a guide to setting up heartbeat with a shared ATA-RAID box, apache, and mysql |
| 17:55.11 | kittenbot | starfishy: I was hoping that there was a policy concerning it -- that way I wouldn't have to install every package under the sun in order to verify this... |
| 17:55.16 | stew | nite613: have you looked at ultramonkey.org? its maintained by one of the debian kenrel maintainers |
| 17:55.22 | afabian | Ok, my current guess is that udev has become active and I now need to change the permissions using udev. Anyone happen to know how to do this exactly under debian? I'm poking around /etc/udev now. |
| 17:55.24 | starfishy | kittenbot: oh, ok |
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| 17:55.37 | starfishy | i thought you were wondering whether your specific rcS.d starts any servers |
| 17:55.43 | Cratos | Does anybody run debian 3.0 in x86?? |
| 17:55.52 | kittenbot | starfishy: For that I could have just looked :) |
| 17:55.56 | starfishy | hehehe |
| 17:55.57 | nite613 | stew: Looking now, thanks |
| 17:56.07 | starfishy | you wouldnt believe what some people ask in here ;) |
| 17:56.43 | nite613 | stew: Is this stuff pretty "mature" ? |
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| 17:57.08 | beardy | Cratos: Please state your problem/question instead. /msg dpkg ask |
| 17:57.12 | kittenbot | starfishy: Sometimes when I set out to answer some question, my heart sinks when I start to realise how little the other person knows... |
| 17:57.36 | beardy | Cratos: Why are you running woody anyway? |
| 17:57.36 | Gathond | Estes2: dont know, just saying that Im not sure pgpool does anything to ensure that inserts get written in more than one database, which might/might not make it a nogo for your purpose |
| 17:57.59 | stew | nite613: i think so. you also might ask in #linux-ha |
| 17:58.10 | Cratos | beardy, I need the driver for 3c905b nic on x86 linux 2.4.27, right now I connot upgrade the machine |
| 17:58.35 | stew | Cratos: modprobe 3c59x |
| 17:58.49 | Cratos | I need the file... |
| 17:58.52 | beardy | Cratos: It si compiled as a module if you run the stock kernel. Run modconf and select it. |
| 17:59.06 | beardy | Cratos: do what stew said instead |
| 17:59.32 | Cratos | the file is missing under /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/drivers/net/ |
| 18:00.26 | starfishy | kittenbot: too true |
| 18:00.26 | beardy | Cratos: Have you compiled that kernel yourself? |
| 18:00.27 | stew | he must have if its /lib/modules/2.4.27/ |
| 18:00.39 | Cratos | nope, well... I cannot remember but /usr/share/src is empty so I do not believe so... |
| 18:00.47 | starfishy | 'my debian unstable doesnt, boot, heeeeeelp' ;) |
| 18:00.48 | stew | Cratos: /usr/src/? |
| 18:01.10 | Cratos | I check one sec... |
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| 18:01.27 | beardy | stew: Ah, yes. |
| 18:01.34 | stew | Cratos: that isn't a debian compiled kernel or else it would have a debian revision and arch on the verison number, like 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 18:01.45 | kittenbot | 'Have you got such and such kernel module loaded?', 'Dunno. How do I tell?' |
| 18:01.54 | stew | kittenbot: lsmod |
| 18:01.57 | beardy | kittenbot: lsmod |
| 18:02.09 | beardy | !win stew |
| 18:02.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 18:02.18 | stew | sweet |
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| 18:02.45 | beardy | You'll never go hungry or be out of things to wipe yourself with for the rest of your life :) |
| 18:02.47 | kittenbot | stew, beardy -- you weren't following the conversation between myself and starfishy :) |
| 18:02.48 | Cratos | thanks, I have not worked for such a long time on this machine that I just forgot where the linux source was... |
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| 18:04.08 | Hak`M | I know it is possible to install debian on a running linux system, with for example debootstrap. I have a machine running on a powerpc proccesor on wich I would like to install debian (over the original system) but I cant find where to download the right files since packages.debian.org is down. Anyone has some suggestions how to get the package? |
| 18:04.17 | meriad | when i send and recieve emails with thunderbird it etlls me unable to write to email box make sure the file system allows you write privileges etc..... any ideas? i googled and verything and tried a few of the suggetsions with no results.. |
| 18:04.18 | meriad | please help :/ |
| 18:04.25 | stew | kittenbot: about rcS.d? |
| 18:05.23 | kittenbot | stew: I'm trying to figure out where to put a script that brings up my firewall, I was thinking that rcS.d was probably a good place to do it in as I think that it's not meant to bring up and servers... |
| 18:05.42 | starfishy | kittenbot: apparently we did too good of a job to make ourselfs look like noobs ;) |
| 18:05.48 | tictac | hmm |
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| 18:06.20 | afabian | ok. i added root to group audio, rebooting. |
| 18:06.22 | kittenbot | starfishy: Talk to too many and it starts to wear off on you, I guess ;) |
| 18:06.22 | stew | kittenbot: do it in an up line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:06.31 | starfishy | yeah |
| 18:06.37 | starfishy | ive been doing tech support for years |
| 18:06.41 | stew | meriad: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages <- browse for it, its in the administrative section |
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| 18:06.51 | starfishy | and even though i never did end user support i have developed a pretty thick skin |
| 18:07.14 | starfishy | even some corporate customers with million dollar setups can be an utter PITA |
| 18:07.53 | stew | kittenbot: or add it to /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ or add it to /etc/init.d/networking |
| 18:08.20 | kittenbot | stew: I checkout the documentation on them, thanks :) |
| 18:08.34 | kittenbot | *I'll |
| 18:08.35 | meriad | stew- browse for what? |
| 18:08.47 | stew | meriad: debootstrap |
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| 18:08.56 | meriad | Stereo- why |
| 18:08.57 | meriad | stew- why |
| 18:09.00 | stew | meriad: nm misfire |
| 18:09.02 | meriad | stew- im havin probs with thundebired.. |
| 18:09.04 | meriad | stew- hehe |
| 18:09.13 | stew | Hak`M: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages <- browse for it, its in the administrative section |
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| 18:09.39 | meriad | stew- hehe =] |
| 18:09.41 | JKL_ | can anyone help me with tftp server? |
| 18:09.49 | Hak`M | stew, thank you. But I hope it worked already. I downloaded it with apt-get on my router. |
| 18:10.02 | meriad | stew- haha here, hoho there, and a couple of tra'la'lee's thats how we sing the day away in the merry old land of oz |
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| 18:10.19 | beardy | ? |
| 18:10.40 | rpt | darn wheres the support for a standard realtek semiconductor nic in the kernel config? :p |
| 18:11.07 | kittenbot | starfishy: So far I've avoided having to do telephone support -- I'm lucking that the stuff that I write doesn't require much user-end setup :) |
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| 18:11.56 | beardy | rpt: Same place as the other nics. You have to know which chip the card actually have though. |
| 18:12.09 | beardy | has |
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| 18:13.03 | rpt | beardy, how should i know :D mm gonna find out :) |
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| 18:13.17 | kittenbot | Anyway, nice talking to you starfishy -- later! |
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| 18:13.44 | bucky | rpt: it's called 8139too |
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| 18:13.46 | beardy | rpt: lscpi with a -v, -vv or -vvv option can perhaps tell you. |
| 18:14.02 | rpt | ya i was just checking that just uhm a bit tired i guess hehe |
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| 18:14.24 | beardy | rpt: what bucky said |
| 18:14.31 | beardy | probably |
| 18:14.33 | armando | www.fliperama.com |
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| 18:15.31 | beardy | armando: stop spamming |
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| 18:17.23 | pawdro | does anyone know how to set up sound in quake3 in etch |
| 18:17.23 | pawdro | ? |
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| 18:17.56 | zanu | please recommend CAD software for linux |
| 18:17.58 | beardy | pawdro: The documentation that comes with it, or where you got it from should tell you. |
| 18:18.10 | zinx | zanu: apt-cache search cad |
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| 18:18.55 | zanu | zinx: c'mon |
| 18:19.03 | Slaughter | hi alllllllllllllll |
| 18:19.04 | zanu | I asked for recommendations |
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| 18:19.25 | zanu | qcad seems to be the best |
| 18:19.33 | Slaughter | 824 nicks at this moment |
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| 18:20.11 | zanu | but I wonder if I've missed something... commercial is OK as well |
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| 18:20.57 | fernando | hi all |
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| 18:21.47 | bucky | pawdro: try starting it with quake3 +set_initsound 1 |
| 18:21.58 | atrus | how can i find out what version of a package is in each distribution without packages.debian.org working? |
| 18:21.59 | ingful | hi there |
| 18:22.26 | vahvarh | hi |
| 18:22.45 | Slaughter | atrus, i have sarge, can i help you to find something? |
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| 18:23.05 | ingful | how to configure xserver-xfree86 to work with a nvidia geforce fx 5200? |
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| 18:23.18 | stew | atrus: /msg dpkg info packagename distrib ; like /msg dpkg info libc6 testing |
| 18:23.19 | atrus | well, i was wondering if the dpkg bot might be able to check it |
| 18:23.45 | fernando | I´m trying to make a package, an lintian return only E: openmd source: invalid-standards-version 0.0.1. how to fix this? where i can to see the policy? |
| 18:23.50 | Slaughter | it's very usefull, i didnt know |
| 18:23.55 | stew | atrus: and "apt-cache policy packagname" will check all the repositories in your sources.list |
| 18:24.39 | stew | fernando: standards version is in debian/control, policy is /msg dpkg policy |
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| 18:25.43 | ingful | thx .. cya |
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| 18:26.06 | rohan | what are debian kernel packages called ? i want to use dpkg's info to fidn the latest available kernel in sid. |
| 18:26.21 | bucky | rohan: linux-image |
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| 18:26.33 | pipo99 | howdy guys |
| 18:26.34 | rohan | bucky: thanks. |
| 18:26.35 | pipo99 | major newbie question: |
| 18:26.36 | pipo99 | I'm following a tut about freeradius and wireless access |
| 18:26.38 | pipo99 | I'm trying to get freeradius to start but get an error |
| 18:26.39 | pipo99 | "rlm_eap: Failed to link EAP-Type/tls: rlm_eap_tls.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 18:26.41 | pipo99 | I read somewhere this is license related. |
| 18:26.42 | pipo99 | I found a .patch file at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=266229 |
| 18:26.44 | pipo99 | how do I apply this file? |
| 18:26.45 | pipo99 | or does someone have a debianpackage with eap_tls support build in..? |
| 18:26.47 | pipo99 | please help |
| 18:27.25 | stew | pipo99: /msg dpkg source |
| 18:27.27 | pawdro | bucky: still no sound |
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| 18:27.49 | bucky | pawdro: do you have alsa-oss installed? |
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| 18:28.35 | pipo99 | stew the patch is for freeradius so should I use /msg dpkg freeradius...? |
| 18:28.36 | pawdro | now i have |
| 18:28.42 | pawdro | bucky: ;] |
| 18:29.18 | stew | pipo99: no "/msg dpkg source" will tell you about getting the source of the package, then you can apply the patch in the freeradius source dir it creates, the dpkg-buildpackage to rebuild the package |
| 18:30.09 | jade | is there any products that allows a large amount of diskspace spanning several harddrives to be viewed by the OS as a single contiguous volume, and not separate mounted devices? e.g. 1 to 10 TB in size? |
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| 18:30.49 | tr1gg3r | jade lvm2 |
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| 18:31.03 | abrotman | among others |
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| 18:31.32 | stouset | jade: RAID |
| 18:31.45 | JKL_ | i try to boot with pxe. dhcp server works and it gives file name that tftp server should give to booting client. but tftp server times out. what to do? |
| 18:31.49 | clydem | jade: with that much space, I'd say use hardware raid |
| 18:31.53 | anapivirtua | netsplit @ epiknet spotted :d |
| 18:31.59 | abrotman | that only works with drives of the same size afaik |
| 18:32.00 | rohan | what is the best way to install debian sid directly ? i dont want to go through the sarge -> etch -> sid thing |
| 18:32.13 | abrotman | you can't |
| 18:32.25 | pipo99 | stew please excuse my ignorance...is the /msg dpkg source a irc command or what should I type on my debian box |
| 18:32.29 | stouset | rohan: grab the weekly Testing d-i ISO, install from that. Upgrade to unstable. |
| 18:32.31 | pipo99 | damn I feel stupid.. |
| 18:32.34 | rohan | abrotman: ok, can i install etch directly ? |
| 18:32.36 | stouset | pipo99: IRC. |
| 18:32.36 | stew | !tell pipo99 about source |
| 18:32.38 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 18:32.38 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:32.41 | rohan | stouset: ah, ok. |
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| 18:32.54 | rohan | ty, abrotman |
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| 18:33.13 | stew | dpkg: source =~ s/apt-get install build-essential/apt-get install build-essential fakeroot/ |
| 18:33.13 | dpkg | OK, stew |
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| 18:33.38 | stew | dpkg: source =~ s#debian/rules binary#dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot# |
| 18:33.38 | dpkg | OK, stew |
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| 18:36.33 | Aldo_Reset | i have a multiple ip serveur and a fire who accept only one subnet to go out, and when i use apt-get , it is blocked, i need to change bind adresse of apt like wget --bind-adress ? |
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| 18:37.09 | jade | tr1gg3r, lvm2 is in unstable |
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| 18:37.23 | Aldo_Reset | somebody may help me ? |
| 18:37.28 | jade | tr1gg3r, is it a production solution? |
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| 18:37.52 | Aldo_Reset | hello ? need help. |
| 18:38.14 | jade | abrotman, what are the other solutions? |
| 18:38.42 | abrotman | jade: all the drives in the same machine ? |
| 18:38.42 | Aldo_Reset | i need help with apt-get |
| 18:38.51 | tosh | does sourceforge still allow anonymous cvs checkouts? I'm having problems getting files from a certain cvs tree on sf |
| 18:39.09 | jade | abrotman: ...for large contiguous harddrive capacities spanning multiple harddrives, but viewed by the OS as a single logical volume |
| 18:39.16 | tictac | tosh: sf cvs is borked all the time. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. just gotta keep trying. |
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| 18:39.55 | abrotman | jade: RAID(if the drives are the same size) .. and LVM .. i was thinking they might not all be in the same computer, for which there are many other solutions |
| 18:40.38 | Ketter | I need to add an extra header line for a java application with postfix, an X-envelope-recp:$recepient to make sure that bcc email still get a tag.. I'm pretty lost in what to use, and how.. cause everything is focused on "rejection" and so on. |
| 18:40.47 | jade | abrotman: i would want to have a configuration where multiple computers mount the same file system so that different parts can be processed separately |
| 18:40.56 | pipo99 | stew: ok Did the thing I now have freeradius dir in my /tmp i copied the .patch file into that dir now how do I apply it..? |
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| 18:41.10 | abrotman | jade: huh? |
| 18:41.22 | pipo99 | filename of the patch is freeradius-0.9.3-1-eaptls.patch |
| 18:41.26 | starfishy | he wants a logical volume exported as NFS I guess |
| 18:41.36 | Roey | bucky: heya |
| 18:41.38 | Roey | abrotman: hi, too |
| 18:41.44 | starfishy | jade: if you span several drives, mirror the whole enchilada |
| 18:41.58 | Aldo_Reset | i need help about apt-get ? |
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| 18:42.10 | bucky | !win bucky |
| 18:42.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, bucky! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 18:43.11 | Roey | heheheh |
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| 18:43.27 | Roey | !win Ahmadinejad |
| 18:43.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, Ahmadinejad! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 18:43.33 | Roey | mf |
| 18:43.34 | abrotman | jade: maybe ask in ##linux .. see if anyone else has any other ideas |
| 18:43.34 | Roey | ehehehe |
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| 18:43.49 | stew | pipo99: cd to the freeradius source directory and then "patch -p1 --dry-run < ../blah.patch" you might need to adjust -p1; man patch, when that runs cleanly, remove the --dry-run part to do it for real |
| 18:43.53 | tosh | http://pastebin.com/504320 -> what am I doing wrong here with cvs? |
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| 18:44.25 | pipo99 | stew: thanks trying... |
| 18:44.40 | dumezil | im having some odd problems with apt... after it hits all my sources, it says gzip: stdin: not in gzip format. and im getting a bad header line when it hits the Release.gpg file from my main source... what could be causing this? |
| 18:44.42 | pawdro | bucky: console shows: ------- sound initialization ------- |
| 18:44.42 | pawdro | Could not mmap dma buffer PROT_WRITE|PROT_READ |
| 18:44.42 | pawdro | trying mmap PROT_WRITE (with associated better compatibility / less performance code) |
| 18:44.42 | pawdro | /dev/dsp: Input/output error |
| 18:44.42 | pawdro | Could not mmap /dev/dsp |
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| 18:44.49 | abrotman | isn't there a #sourceforge ? |
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| 18:45.26 | bucky | jade: maybe you are looking for http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-unionfs.html |
| 18:45.33 | bucky | and there is a #unionfs |
| 18:45.54 | bucky | pawdro: have you googled that error? |
| 18:46.04 | tosh | abrotman #sourceforge is idleville |
| 18:47.03 | pawdro | bucky: actually not exactly |
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| 18:49.15 | pawdro | how to chack where the sound is? /dev/? |
| 18:49.50 | pawdro | check* |
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| 18:50.05 | dumezil | "/dev/dsp |
| 18:50.17 | bucky | pawdro: ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 18:50.25 | bucky | is it a link to dsp0 ?> |
| 18:51.01 | pawdro | no, its normal dsp |
| 18:51.03 | zamaliphe | hi |
| 18:51.30 | pawdro | but how can i know if etch uses that? instead of /dev/audio? |
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| 18:52.44 | zamaliphe | im traing to creat a host for dibian backeg what shod i do ???? what shod i need for it ?? |
| 18:52.45 | pawdro | ok cive got |
| 18:52.49 | pawdro | ive got |
| 18:52.51 | pawdro | thx |
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| 18:54.56 | justdust2 | zamaliphe: maibie joe need a box and apachie webserver... |
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| 18:56.11 | dumezil | i know this sounds like an extremely stupid question, but how can i easily tell what flavor of debian im using? stable, testing, unstable. my /etc/apt/sources files is hosed and i don't know how to do it... |
| 18:56.23 | zamaliphe | i have it allredy |
| 18:56.31 | tommz | Hi. I need to remove deb package from database, but not from my hard disk. (it is my kernel package. It wors, but has any problem with post-install settings) Can I do this with apt ? And how ? |
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| 18:57.19 | sepone | tommz, you dont think it's better to just fix the post install iussues ? |
| 18:57.25 | zamaliphe | wear to but the dibian backeg soo apt-get cane see it |
| 18:57.43 | sepone | !backeg |
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| 18:58.23 | tommz | sepone: I tried it, but I wasn't sucessful ... |
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| 18:59.38 | rohan | will debian sid work nice on a piii 550mhz 256mb ram ? i plan to use x.org and kde 3.5 on it. |
| 18:59.53 | xchg | rohan: it will |
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| 19:00.12 | xchg | rohan: but rather use xfce than kde. kde will be a bit slow |
| 19:00.23 | ubarjames | hi. the apt system seems to be pretty neat, but i can't find stuff like mplayer or videolan client in the default sources. are there any trustful http/ftp sources with such software? |
| 19:00.27 | sepone | tommz, have you tried asking in here for the post install issue. (paste the output of apt-get -f install on paster forinstance) since messing with the apt database just isn't fun, and gives brakage later |
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| 19:00.44 | sepone | !tell ubarjames about mplayer |
| 19:00.44 | rohan | xchg: ok. xfce = minimal :( |
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| 19:01.06 | sepone | !tell ubarjames about marillat |
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| 19:01.10 | xchg | rohan: 3.5 will work nicely anyway |
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| 19:01.33 | xchg | rohan: just swapping will slow down the system |
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| 19:03.50 | tommz | sepone: I thought it is possible to do it with apt .... so, can I put the output here ? I'm using irc first time ... |
| 19:04.01 | sepone | !tell tommz about paster |
| 19:04.25 | sepone | tommz, dont paste in here youll be kicked automaticaly use that paste form on the web |
| 19:04.30 | rohan | xchg: i guess i will sue fluxbox + kde apps. |
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| 19:05.25 | tommz | sepone: ok, i didn't know this. thx |
| 19:05.32 | sepone | !thx |
| 19:05.33 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas, named after THX1138, Lucas' first movie. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. |
| 19:05.42 | Nexus | So I did apt-get install apt to get the newest version, but I still get a key error... I thought apt-get install apt was supposed to take care of it? |
| 19:05.43 | sepone | a sick sick movie btw :) |
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| 19:05.57 | Nexus | Or do I have to do part of the alternative method that dpkg told me about? |
| 19:05.58 | tommz | sepone: :)) |
| 19:06.20 | Xenguy | !tx |
| 19:06.20 | dpkg | hmm... tx is transmit. Texas, or thanks |
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| 19:06.27 | Xenguy | ;-) |
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| 19:07.56 | mirak | is there an hananced cp in command line ? |
| 19:07.58 | mirak | ananced |
| 19:08.00 | mirak | ameliorated |
| 19:08.06 | rohan | the netinst cd -- wich kernel does it install ? 2.4.x or 2.6.x ? |
| 19:08.22 | blondie | rohan: either |
| 19:08.29 | stew | rohan: it will do either, hit f1 at the boot: prompt |
| 19:08.34 | rohan | ok. |
| 19:08.35 | sepski | mirak, rsync localy, dont get more advanced then that. but you'r not saying what exactly your after |
| 19:08.35 | beardy | mirak: what? |
| 19:08.54 | blondie | an "ameliorated" cp..... RIIIGHT |
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| 19:09.05 | abrotman | an anemic cp ? |
| 19:09.23 | blondie | anorexic cp |
| 19:09.34 | mirak | a cp that show progress |
| 19:09.39 | beardy | mirak: Do you mean "enhanced"? If yes, enhanced to do what? |
| 19:09.42 | mirak | I find rsync slower than cp |
| 19:09.45 | blondie | try cp -v |
| 19:09.47 | abrotman | progress of what? |
| 19:09.55 | mirak | blondie: you are funny |
| 19:09.59 | Nexus | So, I got the new apt, but when I do an apt-get update, I still get the following problem. |
| 19:10.00 | Nexus | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 19:10.00 | Nexus | 010908312D230C5F |
| 19:10.01 | blondie | sorry? |
| 19:10.07 | mirak | a progress like --progress of rsync |
| 19:10.07 | abrotman | Nexus: read the topic |
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| 19:10.16 | blondie | mirak: no then |
| 19:10.20 | mirak | ok |
| 19:10.22 | blondie | and don't be insolent |
| 19:10.34 | Nexus | abrotman, I did. My question that I had above that was that I thought getting the latest apt was supposed to get rid of that problem. Did I misunderstand that? |
| 19:10.48 | abrotman | Nexus: if the key is invalid .. you can delete it |
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| 19:10.53 | rohan | cya guys later, hopefully from debian sid :) |
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| 19:11.15 | abrotman | place your bets now |
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| 19:11.24 | Nexus | abrotman, Hmm. Ok. Not sure how to do that, but I'll find it and do that. Thanks. |
| 19:11.33 | abrotman | Nexus: man apt-key |
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| 19:11.41 | jjazz | abrotman: 2 beers says the Sox fall to third. ;) |
| 19:11.52 | Nexus | abrotman, Ok. I don't have that installed, I'm sure of that. That's probably part of my problem. |
| 19:12.00 | abrotman | jjazz: i hardly see the orioles and the blue jays besting the sox |
| 19:12.13 | stew | Nexus: you don't have apt-key installed? |
| 19:12.15 | abrotman | Nexus: as root ? |
| 19:12.33 | jjazz | abrotman: Good thing it will only take one of them. |
| 19:12.42 | abrotman | jjazz: you so missed the joke |
| 19:12.43 | Nexus | stew, abrotman Oops. I do, sorry. My bad. |
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| 19:12.57 | jjazz | abrotman: I got the joke. It was a feeble response, I admit. |
| 19:12.57 | abrotman | jjazz: i was implying that the yanks would be below the sox :) |
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| 19:13.01 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 19:13.05 | Nexus | abrotman, Thank you again. That's what I needed. |
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| 19:13.13 | abrotman | jjazz: i don't think the jays or the orioles have the tools |
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| 19:13.39 | abrotman | jjazz: the orioles have no pitching staff .. and the bluejays .. they bet the farm on two pitchers with crappy track records |
| 19:13.41 | jjazz | abrotman: If the season started today, I'd say the Sox come in third. There's a lot of time, though. |
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| 19:14.05 | Spizzo9191 | hi all |
| 19:14.08 | abrotman | jjazz: my real question for AL-East .. who's going to catch Johnson ? |
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| 19:14.33 | stew | why does he require a special catcher? |
| 19:14.39 | jjazz | abrotman: Mike Piazza |
| 19:14.41 | abrotman | because he doesn't like posada |
| 19:14.48 | stew | oh get over it |
| 19:15.13 | tommz | sepski: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1549 |
| 19:15.19 | stew | you figure with the millions he makes he could just get over it |
| 19:15.19 | abrotman | jjazz: who? :) |
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| 19:15.41 | abrotman | it's important to have a good pitcher |
| 19:15.43 | sepski | tommz, it's saner to ask the whole channel since i probaably have no clue how to fix your problem :) |
| 19:15.52 | stew | tommz: apt-get insatll initramfs-tools |
| 19:15.52 | abrotman | jjazz: i think the sox should trade wells for a center fielder |
| 19:15.54 | Spizzo9191 | im a windows user (evil) and id like to ask what are your recommendations on creating user/group permissions based on file server access? In a corporation, do you think it's acceptable to explicitely define a permission to a folder or always add users to groups. I've come up with an idea to create a persons position as a group and define all folder permissions in there? what do you guys (and girls) think is the best way? |
| 19:16.12 | abrotman | Spizzo9191: so you're asking us how to set up your windows server ? |
| 19:16.16 | jjazz | abrotman: I agree, but who? |
| 19:16.30 | abrotman | jjazz: can we get guerrero for wells? :) |
| 19:16.35 | sepski | tommz, but i'd start with installing yaird /mkinitrd :) |
| 19:16.42 | Spizzo9191 | abrotman... no it's already setup for a company i work for but im asking what you all recommend is the best way? |
| 19:16.55 | abrotman | Spizzo9191: you're asking us how to admin your windows server? |
| 19:17.26 | abrotman | jjazz: i do think losing Gordon was bad for the yanks |
| 19:18.04 | jjazz | abrotman: I agree. Except I don't trust him in the postseason. |
| 19:18.09 | Spizzo9191 | well i'm asking for recommendations? |
| 19:18.20 | abrotman | Spizzo9191: what channel is this? |
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| 19:18.31 | abrotman | jjazz: and now you have ?? |
| 19:18.42 | abrotman | jjazz: farnsworth ? |
| 19:18.56 | Spizzo9191 | abrotman... don't get all winded up that im a windows user. This issue is also faced with unix administrators. |
| 19:18.57 | tommz | stew: ohhh, thanx. I tried to search this package, but I overlooked it |
| 19:18.58 | sepski | Spizzo9191, i recomend not using windows for anything but gaming |
| 19:19.07 | bucky | Spizzo9191: try #windows |
| 19:19.13 | jjazz | abrotman: No, you're right. If we want consistency, Gordon was the answer. But he wanted too many years. |
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| 19:19.26 | abrotman | Spizzo9191: what channel is this? .. it's #debian .. not #sysadmin .. not #windows .. #debian .. we don't do windows support ehre |
| 19:19.29 | sepski | Spizzo9191, but when i have to i try to keep things to groups if more then 1 person need access |
| 19:20.30 | Spizzo9191 | sepski... thanks for your help... at least you arent like the others that think they are GOD by using a unix-derived OS! |
| 19:20.32 | Spizzo9191 | Have a good day. |
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| 19:20.44 | abrotman | jjazz: we'll see . it's a long season .. i think the sox will have a good pitching staff .. but god damn .. Cora at SS and ???? at center |
| 19:20.45 | sepski | no i know i am.. |
| 19:20.52 | abrotman | what a tard |
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| 19:21.00 | beardy | heh |
| 19:21.01 | psychonate | Is there a tool available via the repositories for extracting .ace archives? |
| 19:21.02 | sepski | atlest he left be happy : |
| 19:21.11 | sepski | unace |
| 19:21.19 | bucky | i thought people from AU were smarter than that |
| 19:21.23 | tommz | It work!sapski, stew thanks you for help |
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| 19:21.49 | abrotman | bucky: sun cooked noggin |
| 19:21.53 | zinosat | where does my email msgs go? I see fetchmail grabs them but it takes about 20 mins before mutt displays them! |
| 19:21.53 | psychonate | unace will do it seems |
| 19:22.25 | bucky | Spizzo9191 should have started out with.. "I bullshitted my way into a job that I have no clue about how to handle" |
| 19:22.30 | crypt_ex | I would like to use wget to grab files off the net from my server, however sometimes links are not actually to the item I want, but in the browser it follows through and then prompts with the file to download. Can this behavior be done with wget? |
| 19:23.20 | abrotman | bucky: and that's pretty sad .. considering it's a windows job :) |
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| 19:23.54 | bucky | i hear ya' |
| 19:24.05 | jjazz | abrotman: Shoppach and somebody in AA for Joey Gathright? |
| 19:24.09 | tommz | Bye |
| 19:24.16 | abrotman | jjazz: what? .. we still have shoppach |
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| 19:24.39 | beardy | I wonder how they find their way here? Are there recommendations for windows server admins to go here, or signs that say "If you don't know where to turn, go to #debian, they'll help you, with all your troubles." |
| 19:24.40 | abrotman | jjazz: or you're proposing the trade |
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| 19:24.56 | abrotman | jjazz: i'd rather keep shoppach . trade flaherty |
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| 19:25.12 | jjazz | abrotman: I'm suggesting that the Sox try to pry Gathright loose. Shoppach would be the minimum price, methinks. |
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| 19:25.43 | qalim | crypt_ex, this links magic is probably done with javascript |
| 19:25.45 | abrotman | jjazz: i'd like to keep him (as long as he can catch wakefield) |
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| 19:25.55 | Aleramo | hallo |
| 19:25.58 | qalim | and wget does not do javascript |
| 19:26.04 | Aleramo | i come from italy and u? |
| 19:26.17 | jjazz | abrotman: A catcher for wake is much less important than a CF, even a mediocre CF. |
| 19:26.17 | abrotman | !it |
| 19:26.17 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:26.20 | beardy | Aleramo: People here come from all over the world. |
| 19:26.31 | sepski | Aleramo, dont tell me you want a answer from all 836 of us ? you'd be reading iso country codes into next week |
| 19:26.36 | abrotman | jjazz: apparently varitek can't do it .. or he'd have been doing it the last 5 years :) |
| 19:26.37 | clydem | i am from the center of world culture |
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| 19:26.42 | clydem | alabama... |
| 19:26.51 | beardy | Haha |
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| 19:27.21 | beardy | (perhaps it is, never been there) |
| 19:27.30 | abrotman | jjazz: we could trade wells, and one of our 43234 third basemen for a CF |
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| 19:27.54 | clydem | yes, we invented mullets and rebel flags... you are nothing without these two items |
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| 19:28.01 | abrotman | i'd rather be nothing |
| 19:28.06 | abrotman | |splat|: fix your ISP |
| 19:28.10 | jjazz | abrotman: He needs his days off. I think it makes sense, even if Tek could do it. Of course, when Tek did get stuck catching Wake, it was passed ball after passed ball (but no running game from Torre to take advantage). |
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| 19:28.59 | matadon | I'm using SSH to tunnel SNMP from TCP:16101 on a local system to TCP:161 on a remote, but can't seem to verify that things are working with snmpwalk; AFIK, I specify the agent with 'TCP:localhost:16101', right? |
| 19:29.34 | abrotman | jjazz: that's what i mean .. |
| 19:29.54 | sepski | matadon, should be right, what are your errors ? |
| 19:30.15 | abrotman | jjazz: IMO .. they should be grooming shoppach now |
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| 19:30.20 | FarrisG | I've got about 400GB of data I need to migrate at a particular time. What would be the best way to minimize downtime? I'd like to create a copy of all the data while it's still live (hosts mount it via NFS), then during a maintenance window turn off NFS so nobody can access it, then just do an incremental copy of the changes. What's the quickest/best way to do this? |
| 19:30.29 | abrotman | jjazz: either for trade .. or after varitek |
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| 19:30.49 | matadon | sepski: Connection timeout; if I telnet to localhost:16101, I get the remote system's SNMP server (albeit I don't know of any commands to issue it to check). |
| 19:30.59 | psychonate | hmm, files extracted from this archive had *no* permissions set whatsoever. Is that srange? |
| 19:31.09 | psychonate | s/srange/strange |
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| 19:31.39 | matadon | FarrisG: That's how I'd do it, albeit you can just use rsync all-the way -- no reason to muck with NFS. |
| 19:31.50 | matadon | FarrisG: Or AFIO, or something along those lines. |
| 19:32.03 | Nexus | abrotman, So it sounds like what I'm experiencing is actually a bug... |
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| 19:32.07 | Nexus | http://www.nabble.com/Bug-345891%3A-needs-update-for-new-archive-key-t847331.html#a2196492 |
| 19:32.12 | SexyKen | How do I add a user to a group? |
| 19:32.12 | abrotman | Nexus: ? |
| 19:32.21 | FarrisG | matadon: Well, I'll have to muck with NFS, since that's how people access this data. I have to cut off access at some point so I can move the partition |
| 19:32.36 | matadon | FarrisG: Ah, I thought you were just adding NFS for the data transfer. |
| 19:32.38 | abrotman | Nexus: did you install the key ? |
| 19:32.39 | beardy | SexyKen: man adduser, 'adduser user group' |
| 19:33.11 | Nexus | abrotman, Installing the latest apt did that. I use apt-key to remove the old key. But I still get that error. |
| 19:33.13 | clydem | SexyKen: fourth column in /etc/passwd is group |
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| 19:33.17 | FarrisG | matadon: No, I'm using rdiff-backup for the data transfer, from one NFS-mounted volume to a local array |
| 19:33.22 | matadon | FarrisG: Still, though, you'd have to unsquash root to migrate the data; you still might be better off with cpio/afio/tar for the first copy, and then rsync to catch the changes during your maintenance window. |
| 19:33.30 | sepski | matadon, verify with netstat that it actualy tries the port you specified. i have never tried nonstandard port |
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| 19:34.08 | sepski | matadon, and you must ofcouse also verify remote's acl |
| 19:34.15 | FarrisG | matadon: Root isn't squashed on this machine. It's squashed everywhere else |
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| 19:34.36 | matadon | sepski: I'll check ACLs; netstat shows correctly. |
| 19:34.46 | matadon | Ok, and lunch is on the company's tab, so I'm out; thanks! |
| 19:35.22 | sepski | matadon, keep in mind the connection will come from the machine you ssh to |
| 19:35.31 | jade | abrotman, essentially this is what i was thinking http://64.166.248.24/apache2-default/hw_conf.png |
| 19:35.53 | abrotman | jade: that's different than what you described |
| 19:36.09 | jade | ok |
| 19:36.11 | abrotman | jade: you described several drives as one volume .. that picture shows several hosts as a single volume |
| 19:36.14 | abrotman | !sistina |
| 19:36.17 | abrotman | !gfs |
| 19:36.17 | dpkg | methinks gfs is The Global File System (GFS): it allows multiple Linux machines to share storage devices over a network. See http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ |
| 19:36.28 | abrotman | jade: maybe that .. or AFS or DFS |
| 19:36.43 | jade | abrotman, why not NFS? |
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| 19:37.10 | abrotman | i'm not aware that NFS can show multiple machines as a single volumne(unless you run NFS one of the above mentioned FSs) |
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| 19:37.34 | ShiShi | hello all |
| 19:37.43 | ShiShi | how can i disable pcmcia service at boot ? |
| 19:37.44 | vahvarh | Hi! How does debian manage alternatives? I mean I want to make a www-browser=konqueror (though at this moment it is links2) |
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| 19:38.02 | abrotman | !gfs is also http://www.redhat.com/en_us/USA/home/solutions/gfs/ |
| 19:38.02 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 19:38.05 | Gathond | vahvarh: probably depends on the contekst |
| 19:38.27 | abrotman | !tell jade about gfs |
| 19:38.29 | mentor | The GFS build system from CVS sucks big donkey balls |
| 19:38.29 | abrotman | !tell jade about afs |
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| 19:38.41 | mentor | don't forget your gnbd |
| 19:38.45 | jade | abrotman, i dont understand "multiple machines" as a single volume. each machine has access to a shared large volumn drive space |
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| 19:39.05 | vahvarh | Gathond: Right now, in xchat I click 'open in web browser' and links2 window gets loaded. As i understand, the /etc/www-browser is used. |
| 19:39.06 | Gathond | vahvarh: the update-alternatives sets defaults, through symlinks in the wwwbrowser -> something style, but if you are talking the way your desktoop system responds to clicking files/tiletypes its specific to that desktop system |
| 19:39.14 | abrotman | jade: your picture from what i could tell .. showed multiple storage hosts being presented to the network as a single volume .. like a SAN |
| 19:39.33 | Gathond | vahvarh: then update-alternatives is probably the thing |
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| 19:39.47 | sepski | jade, nfs requires a server to handle that large volume on your drawing it's just direct access 3 computers to a storage. you can use SAN solution sif you have lots of money |
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| 19:40.05 | sepski | jade, if you add a server at the storage sharing it out across nfs you'll be ok |
| 19:40.07 | justdust2 | how can I restart apache2, I can't find it in the manmpages... |
| 19:40.07 | GloX | How can I get gettext support in the apt version of php5 ? |
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| 19:40.20 | abrotman | justdust2: /etc/init.d/apache* restart |
| 19:40.35 | sepski | justdust2, invoe-rc.d apache2 restart |
| 19:40.37 | FarrisG | so is GFS an alternative to NFS? |
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| 19:40.54 | Gathond | justdust2: if its just a configuration thing restart can be replaced with reload |
| 19:40.58 | jade | abrotman, i was trying to describe each CPU aka Debian Host is a separate server, and they all are accessing a single drive space |
| 19:41.09 | jade | sepski, ok |
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| 19:41.38 | abrotman | jade: then we already said LVM |
| 19:42.28 | zeballin3 | Anyone know what the "-br" on the kdmrc file does ??? Or know where I can find out? |
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| 19:42.39 | justdust2 | isn't php included when you apt-get apache2 ? |
| 19:42.42 | jade | abrotman, OK, however is the processing speed slower in the LVM configuration than say an NFS? essentially i am trying to have many hosts access and process a large volume of data.. |
| 19:42.48 | JKL_ | how do i enable, for sure, tftp server |
| 19:43.14 | abrotman | jade: lvm and nfs are two different things |
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| 19:43.26 | abrotman | justdust2: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 19:43.43 | jade | abrotman: only to make the software easier to manage was i considering using a single large volumn space |
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| 19:44.10 | abrotman | and that's lvm |
| 19:44.15 | kspath | easier to manage how? |
| 19:44.19 | justdust2 | abrotman: php5 ? |
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| 19:44.26 | ravenbird | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of simonraven) |
| 19:44.28 | abrotman | justdust2: then libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 19:44.32 | rpt | help! dpkg -i kernel_image.. failed due to a missing ramdisk generation tool!, I cannot use apt-get to install anything coz of that darn udev |
| 19:44.39 | justdust2 | abrotman: thx |
| 19:44.40 | sepski | jade if you worry about performance use a san and a iscsi card (cheap) or san and fiberchannel (expencive) or similar. nfs won't come close. |
| 19:44.57 | abrotman | nfs starts slow .. and gets slower :) |
| 19:45.02 | pixscooby | Can anyone help with a vmware tools install problem? |
| 19:45.08 | abrotman | #vmware ? |
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| 19:45.45 | tictac | pixscooby: the vmware forums are very helpful with things such as that. try there first. |
| 19:45.49 | kspath | that is all slow get solid-state storage EXPENSIVE but fast |
| 19:45.58 | justdust2 | abrotman: libapache2-mod-php5 doesn't exist... |
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| 19:46.20 | abrotman | justdust2: is it sarge ? |
| 19:46.34 | pixscooby | I have and they have helped me thus far, but I can't find the answer to this one on the web. |
| 19:46.40 | justdust2 | abrotman: yes... |
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| 19:46.46 | abrotman | justdust2: then it's php4 for you! |
| 19:47.00 | justdust2 | abrotman: :d |
| 19:47.01 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 19:47.02 | pixscooby | and theres noone responding in #vmware |
| 19:47.29 | justdust2 | abrotman: can't I compile it or something ? |
| 19:47.39 | abrotman | !backports |
| 19:47.39 | falkon | abrotman: I have a good question that I think you would be the one to ask. Mind if I have a go at it? |
| 19:47.39 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 19:47.47 | abrotman | falkon: you can try |
| 19:48.04 | abrotman | justdust2: check that URL for php5 |
| 19:48.09 | abrotman | erm .. the backports.org one |
| 19:48.11 | delire | hehe this is a new one. when i tab complete with scp in any directory i am given "sed: -e expression #1, char 20: unterminated `s' command". if i tab complete again, i am given all the contents of the current directory *including* 10 quasi files that look like: "|1|3jFDRw8vMEjg1VSTdzMZQzJ7yGg=|wfRnsTDwfmfpAcSDCHBxQ6jb/18=:".. |
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| 19:48.23 | sepski | pixscooby, it's a bad idea to ask if you can ask, just ask your question sanly |
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| 19:48.26 | justdust2 | abrotman: apt-get.org ? |
| 19:48.31 | abrotman | justdust2: backports.org |
| 19:48.35 | falkon | abrotman: okay, I want to create a script to start up i8kmon with options -a -d, so how do I create a script for init.d? |
| 19:48.37 | rpt | okey lets try it again, any other steps I can do to actually install the kernel i compiled xcept dpkg -i (again, i dont have any ram generation tools) |
| 19:48.44 | justdust2 | abrotman: ok |
| 19:48.45 | falkon | abrotman: syntax wise |
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| 19:48.50 | abrotman | falkon: /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:48.55 | falkon | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:48.56 | abrotman | falkon: that should cover it |
| 19:49.09 | falkon | didn't realize taht was there |
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| 19:50.15 | sepski | rpt, wget and dpkg -i the initrd tools first then dpkg -i the kernel |
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| 19:50.59 | JKL_ | how do i enable tftp server ? |
| 19:51.15 | abrotman | install it ? |
| 19:51.17 | rpt | sepski, mm aight if i can find the tools :) thanks |
| 19:51.32 | sepski | rpt, apt-cache is your friend |
| 19:51.35 | abrotman | falkon: more or less .. you can copy a simple init scrpit and modify it for your purpose |
| 19:51.51 | JKL_ | abrotman: i have tried. but how to be damn sure that it is running |
| 19:52.02 | abrotman | JKL_: netstat -an ? |
| 19:52.27 | JKL_ | abrotman: can i connect to it from local host and get files |
| 19:52.28 | abrotman | falkon: like the 'atd' script is simple enough |
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| 19:52.33 | abrotman | JKL_: dunno |
| 19:53.08 | JKL_ | netstat -an | grep tftp no results |
| 19:53.34 | SimonRaven | /ver and /server were sitting on a branch, then /ver fell off, who was left? |
| 19:53.37 | abrotman | don't grep anything .. look for the port |
| 19:53.41 | sepski | rpt im not sure what error you have with apt-get but you might be so lucky to do just apt-get install -d initramfs-tools giving you all the needed packages in the archive |
| 19:53.46 | rpt | sepski, hopefully i can dpkg -i better than apt-get install works, as i have some failing deps like udev |
| 19:53.53 | abrotman | SimonRaven: that's not funny :) |
| 19:54.03 | JKL_ | abrotman: there is udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* |
| 19:54.08 | SimonRaven | aaaw |
| 19:54.11 | abrotman | is that the tftp port ? |
| 19:54.15 | JKL_ | should be |
| 19:54.17 | abrotman | \/server |
| 19:54.19 | abrotman | doh |
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| 19:54.24 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 19:54.32 | abrotman | yes to who? |
| 19:54.40 | SimonRaven | tftp port |
| 19:54.52 | Miesco | Is it normal to get timed out from being idle on a ssh server thats not in your network? |
| 19:54.59 | SimonRaven | *cough* getent services tftp *cough* |
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| 19:55.08 | Miesco | Its my computer at home |
| 19:55.16 | SimonRaven | Miesco: with keepalive off yes |
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| 19:55.31 | JKL_ | abrotman: that means that tftp server is running for sure? |
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| 19:55.51 | abrotman | JKL_: SimonRaven implied that was the port .. so it seems to be listening |
| 19:55.53 | sonyman | I installed kernel v2.6.15-2 and now my sound and video are off-sync in mplayer. Debian Etch |
| 19:55.59 | sepski | Miesco, also if you dont have control of the net inbetween everything is possible |
| 19:56.08 | JKL_ | abrotman: and it hosts all ip:s? |
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| 19:56.12 | sonyman | any thoughts as to why? |
| 19:56.19 | abrotman | JKL_: that'd be my guess |
| 19:56.33 | SimonRaven | getent services tftp |
| 19:56.33 | SimonRaven | tftp 69/udp |
| 19:56.33 | JKL_ | abrotman: any idea where to look if not? |
| 19:56.41 | Miesco | sepski: Hmm? I always get timed out after being idle for a certain time |
| 19:56.50 | Miesco | KeepAlive no |
| 19:56.55 | JKL_ | abrotman: i try to boot with pxe, but tftp server always time out |
| 19:57.03 | SimonRaven | set to yes |
| 19:57.07 | abrotman | JKL_: tftp is the magic black box that i on'y tried to use with alphas .. which failed |
| 19:57.20 | justdust2 | abrotman: I downloaded libapache2-mod-php5_5.1.1-0bpo1_i386.deb, how do I install it ? |
| 19:57.27 | Miesco | TCPKeepAlive no |
| 19:57.29 | Miesco | I also got that |
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| 19:57.34 | abrotman | justdust2: man dpkg |
| 19:57.42 | justdust2 | thx |
| 19:57.48 | SimonRaven | Miesco: might want that too |
| 19:57.52 | JKL_ | abrotman: thx anyway |
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| 19:57.57 | SimonRaven | (set to yes) |
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| 19:58.21 | Miesco | SimonRaven: Okay, so after I saved the file, do I need to restart ssh, or will I just not get timed out anymore? |
| 19:58.31 | sjaakz0r | hello, can anyone tell me what the max size for a swap disk is...and what the recommended is? |
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| 19:58.37 | sepski | Miesco, restart is the safe bet |
| 19:58.39 | rpt | um, i downloaded initrmfs-tools_0.49.tar.gz, theres no INSTALL or README, how in earth can i dpkg -i this after unpacking ? :D |
| 19:58.53 | keyhack | I just did a bare install of Debian (270meg), and I want to get X up and running (without a wm), is there just a base package I can install? |
| 19:58.56 | SimonRaven | i've found it enough to set KeepAlive - YMMV. Miesco just HUP i.e. invoke-rc.d ssh reload |
| 19:59.02 | Kurtism | man there are no good Groupware Clients avaiable |
| 19:59.06 | Kurtism | just web groupware |
| 19:59.18 | sepski | sjaakz0r, as large as you can afford. depends on what you run on the box, but usualy from 1x to 2x RAM is a safe bet |
| 19:59.24 | Kurtism | OpenGroupware.org GroupWare Clients are in need |
| 19:59.42 | sjaakz0r | sepski I'm gonna run MythTv on it...if you know what that is...it |
| 19:59.47 | Miesco | I get all this shit when I try to restart it, can I msg you it? 7 lines |
| 20:00.06 | dumezil | im getting a GPG error when i run apt-get update. "Release: couldn't access keyring: no such file or directory." what can i do to fix this? |
| 20:00.13 | sepski | sjaakz0r, ofcouse i know |
| 20:00.19 | JKL_ | any one knows why my tftp server times out? im trying pxe boot. |
| 20:00.26 | SimonRaven | !topicsmite dumezil |
| 20:00.26 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dumezil. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 20:01.03 | sepski | sjaakz0r, you woudnt need much swap on that since it wont run many applications that are idle for long take 1X ram |
| 20:01.15 | Miesco | rc.d ssh reload? |
| 20:01.15 | kspath | Texas Memory Systems good? |
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| 20:01.24 | sjaakz0r | sepski I'll take 500 mb for it |
| 20:01.27 | gnufa1 | JKL_: what does the tftp server log say? I think it logs. |
| 20:01.29 | sjaakz0r | should be fine I guess |
| 20:01.40 | SimonRaven | Miesco: what i said. don't make things up |
| 20:01.50 | JKL_ | gnufa1: and where that might be? var/log ? |
| 20:01.56 | Miesco | That is what you said, what did you say? |
| 20:01.59 | fernando | how to set the correct Standards-Version? i try 0.0.1 and don´t work, i try 0.0.0.1 and don´t work too =( |
| 20:02.08 | Miesco | I am doing /etc/init.d/ssh reload |
| 20:02.18 | SimonRaven | that works too |
| 20:02.32 | JKL_ | gnufa1: i really dont know |
| 20:02.40 | cfaun | does anyone know when packages.debian.org will be up again? |
| 20:02.49 | Miesco | Thats what I get |
| 20:02.53 | sepski | JKL_, does it even start to download ? are you using the initrd-netboot-tools that had the bug earlier ? |
| 20:03.05 | SimonRaven | Miesco: no it isn't. 14:58 SimonRaven : i've found it enough to set KeepAlive - YMMV. Miesco just HUP i.e. invoke-rc.d ssh reload |
| 20:03.25 | SimonRaven | DO NOT put words in my mouth |
| 20:03.29 | Miesco | Okay, what is YMMV, and HUP |
| 20:03.32 | keyhack | I just did a bare install of Debian (270meg), and I want to get X up and running (without a wm), is there just a base package I can install? |
| 20:03.34 | JKL_ | sepski: i think that it doesn't eaven find tftp server |
| 20:03.45 | sonyman | It seems like my sound/video are out of sync in other programs as well, not just mplayer. Ugh |
| 20:03.46 | buu | liable: haha, no. |
| 20:03.48 | Miesco | -bash: involk-rc.d: command not found |
| 20:03.54 | JKL_ | or tftp server doesent allow connections |
| 20:03.54 | clydem | keyhack: x-windows-system |
| 20:03.59 | psychonate | Does anyone get an "Argument list too long" in EasyTAG? |
| 20:04.05 | JKL_ | or something else |
| 20:04.06 | sussudio | ... |
| 20:04.10 | keyhack | clydem: Thanks |
| 20:04.16 | SimonRaven | man kill for HUP |
| 20:04.16 | SimonRaven | !ymmv |
| 20:04.17 | dpkg | i guess ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
| 20:04.26 | sussudio | !pity Miesco |
| 20:04.26 | dpkg | I pity da fool Miesco! |
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| 20:04.41 | Miesco | I pity myself |
| 20:04.41 | buu | liable: If you ever read this, I completely broke it good. I added it to lilo, but lilo didn't give me a menu when I rebooted. So I set the default boot item to be the new one. Which failed to boot. Thus screwing the box. Fortunately I'm at work and am getting a copy of debian stable. |
| 20:04.43 | psychonate | I wish I could fix this. |
| 20:04.55 | sepski | JKL_, check you'r dhcp server settings, verify what you get on screen matches and that it's right with what you expected for it to contact the tftp server. check tftpd logs, if all fail : tcpdump to see if you get anything from the pxeboot box towards the tftp. |
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| 20:05.08 | cfaun | !pity dpkg |
| 20:05.08 | dpkg | I pity da fool dpkg! |
| 20:05.15 | SimonRaven | which invoke-rc.d |
| 20:05.16 | stew | psychonate: cat the arcument list into xargs cmd |
| 20:05.16 | SimonRaven | /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d |
| 20:05.22 | Miesco | Okay how do I auth for freenode |
| 20:05.48 | SimonRaven | /msg nickserv help |
| 20:05.53 | Miesco | Okay, I just spelled it wrong |
| 20:06.06 | sepski | Miesco, /msg nickserv help |
| 20:06.12 | pixscooby | Getting a xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice No such device error after installing vmware tools. Any advice? |
| 20:06.28 | stew | pixscooby: modprobe mousedev |
| 20:06.37 | Miesco | Thats what I get |
| 20:06.38 | kspath | I am not sure whether to HUP my career or HUP my life seems so silly |
| 20:06.41 | psychonate | stew, I don't know what the argument list is though. It's a gtk app, and there's not much output even in the console from which it is run. |
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| 20:07.04 | SimonRaven | Miesco: a) ask before you do that b) don't /msg me |
| 20:07.04 | stew | psychonate: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 20:07.13 | pixscooby | stew: PS/2 ..... common for all mice |
| 20:07.14 | Miesco | SimonRaven: I did ask, sorry |
| 20:07.34 | SimonRaven | i don't see it |
| 20:07.47 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
| 20:07.50 | Miesco | j<Miesco> I get all this shit when I try to restart it, can I msg you it? 7 lines |
| 20:08.19 | Miesco | j<Miesco> I get all this stuff when I try to restart it, can I msg you it? 7 lines |
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| 20:08.35 | Miesco | Did I write that twice? |
| 20:08.37 | JKL_ | sepski: i really dont know how do i can see tftp logs? |
| 20:08.41 | stew | pixscooby: and does x work now? |
| 20:09.00 | pixscooby | stew: No X is what gives the mouse error |
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| 20:09.11 | SimonRaven | JKL_: time to RTFM |
| 20:09.16 | Miesco | Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key |
| 20:09.17 | sepski | JKL_, i bet in /var/log/daemon.log |
| 20:09.21 | Vassagus | how many partitions can i create on linux? |
| 20:09.23 | Miesco | How come it cant load the host key |
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| 20:09.47 | stew | pixscooby: you still get that error after modprobing mousedev? |
| 20:09.51 | zinx | Vassagus: uhm, what partition table format? |
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| 20:10.02 | Vassagus | ext3 |
| 20:10.09 | zinx | Vassagus: that's a filesystem |
| 20:10.09 | JKL_ | SimonRaven: do u have rtfm that tells me where is the rtfm to read? |
| 20:10.09 | pixscooby | stew: dunno lemme try to launch x |
| 20:10.10 | synic | anyone use a 3ware card? Is there a way to make your system email you if a drive goes out? |
| 20:10.13 | rpt | can someone help me install this initramfs-tools ive unpacked so i an get on with installing the new kernel and fixing udev :> |
| 20:10.24 | SimonRaven | .that's not a partition table format |
| 20:10.32 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:10.32 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:10.33 | Miesco | SimonRaven: Should I just restart? |
| 20:10.39 | bonden | hello hi. is it possible to rip .rm video streams as it is ripping audio streams? pointers please. |
| 20:10.39 | stew | rpt: what is the problem you are having? |
| 20:10.44 | Vassagus | how can i know the partition table format |
| 20:10.47 | zinx | Vassagus: i'm going to guess you're using a PC, in which case the same amount as any other OS |
| 20:10.52 | SimonRaven | JKL_: /usr/share/doc/the_tftp_you_installed |
| 20:10.52 | abrotman | synic: how would the system do that? .. it presumably just died |
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| 20:11.04 | Miesco | Too late |
| 20:11.08 | rpt | stew, I dont know what to do the package ive unpacked, theres no installation help files and im not experienced with this kind of thing :( |
| 20:11.12 | Vassagus | if im using RAID |
| 20:11.13 | zinx | Vassagus: which is 4 primary, or 3 primary + some number of "extended" partitions; i don't know the max on those |
| 20:11.17 | synic | abrotman: 3ware is a raid card. |
| 20:11.22 | soymilk | synic: if there's a way to get it to log stuff then there's a way to get it to send mail |
| 20:11.33 | stew | rpt: dpkg -i /path/to/.deb |
| 20:11.33 | zinx | Vassagus: partition table has nothing to do with RAID |
| 20:11.38 | Vassagus | so i can just make 5 partitions |
| 20:11.56 | zinx | Vassagus: uhm, are you trying RAID on a single drive? that's kind of silly.. |
| 20:11.57 | synic | soymilk: good point |
| 20:11.58 | JKL_ | sepski: daemon.log is empty |
| 20:11.59 | rpt | stew its not a deb file, if i found a deb file are you sure it would install itself as it wouldnt through apt-get |
| 20:12.16 | sepski | JKL_, then i guess you must read the manual |
| 20:12.18 | stew | rpt: yes |
| 20:12.39 | stew | rpt: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 20:12.55 | abrotman | synic: no alarm? |
| 20:12.58 | soymilk | synic: or maybe some utility by which it can send snmp traps |
| 20:13.08 | Vassagus | thanks for all zinx |
| 20:13.11 | pixscooby | stew: yes, still get the error. It's tries to load, then goes to blue window telling me it error'd |
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| 20:13.25 | Chance | heya can whereis show all the files that contains a specified keyword in it ? |
| 20:13.33 | stew | rpt: you can download the .debs from here http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 20:13.36 | synic | abrotman: dunno. I guess I could pull a drive out and see what it does. |
| 20:13.38 | abrotman | Chance: grep ? |
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| 20:13.46 | Chance | abrotman can you give me an example ? |
| 20:13.52 | abrotman | synic: well .. it's your data .. knock yourself out |
| 20:13.54 | abrotman | Chance: man grep |
| 20:13.56 | stew | pixscooby: and you get the same error? |
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| 20:14.02 | kspath | u U you You ewe any1 any one anyone Ubuntu ubuntu Xandros xandros Knoppix knoppix |
| 20:14.05 | rpt | stew uh i dont know, debian_version in /etc says testing/unstable tho :p |
| 20:14.07 | Chance | i know how grep works but doesn't works for that ? |
| 20:14.14 | synic | abrotman: it's not in production yet... |
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| 20:14.18 | dumezil | you know when you accidentally output something to stdout that is not ascii and it messes up your terminal? like the terminal suddenly has all these weird ascii chars? what can you do to fix that other than rebooting? |
| 20:14.19 | rpt | stew, the debian archives were down, i couldnt find the .deb yet |
| 20:14.31 | abrotman | Chance: you want to check the contents of all the files for a certain word ? |
| 20:14.42 | pixscooby | stew: yes, it actually loads the vmmouse and shows it working then the next line in the log is the xf86OpenSerial error |
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| 20:15.31 | Chance | i want to search my entire /dev.hda and output me all the files that contains a text called "mykeyword" |
| 20:15.41 | stew | rpt: http://packages.debian.org/testing/utils/initramfs-tools |
| 20:15.44 | rpt | Chance, man find |
| 20:15.45 | FlopsyPete | when I use ldapadd to setup my LDAP directory, I put in the password I just used in slapd's setup and it says "ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49)". does this mean it thinks I got the password wrong? or, perhaps something wrong in the ldif file? |
| 20:15.48 | xai | can the debian sarge net install iso boot and run from a sata dvd/cd ? will it load the driver in time to read the cd data? |
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| 20:15.51 | sepski | JKL_, if you use atftp then read /etc/default/atfptd |
| 20:15.55 | soymilk | synic: looks like smartmontools might handle it |
| 20:16.03 | synic | soymilk: thanks |
| 20:16.11 | pixscooby | Chance: find |grep mykeyword |
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| 20:16.37 | stew | rpt: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/initramfs-tools/ |
| 20:16.50 | sepski | xai, if the kernel on the cd supports the sata chipset if not you can probably select some kind of legacy mode in bios |
| 20:17.05 | JKL_ | sepski: how do i know for sure what tftp i eaven use? in inet.conf reads tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd in.tftpd /tftpboot |
| 20:17.06 | abrotman | Chance: yes .. man grep |
| 20:17.14 | qalim | Chance, |
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| 20:17.20 | SimonRaven | !uuca pixscooby |
| 20:17.23 | abrotman | |splat|: fix your stupid ISP |
| 20:17.29 | qalim | grep -ir mykeywoard / |
| 20:17.30 | sepski | JKL_, dpkg -la | grep tftp |
| 20:17.43 | abrotman | or he could `man grep` .. and READ |
| 20:18.00 | SimonRaven | !uuoc pixscooby |
| 20:18.01 | bucky | xai: have you looked at SATA driver can block access to CD drive in installations from CD at http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 20:18.14 | SimonRaven | \o/ |
| 20:18.24 | JKL_ | sepski: ii tftp 0.17-15 Trivial file transfer protocol client |
| 20:18.24 | JKL_ | ii tftpd-hpa 0.40-4.1 HPA's tftp server |
| 20:18.38 | rpt | stew, like i sayd deps were not met :) but i guess ill try to get those |
| 20:18.52 | Cereal | hey, question, I want to install 2 versions next to eachother, is this possible with apt? |
| 20:18.54 | sepski | JKL_, that's a tftp server myself i use atftpd and pxe boot from it daily |
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| 20:19.16 | sepski | Cereal, 2 version of _what_ ?? |
| 20:19.21 | Cereal | mysql |
| 20:19.24 | Cereal | mysql4 and 5 |
| 20:19.25 | rpt | stew same problems as with apt-get install, i cannot install this shit without udev, and i cannot install the kernel image without initramfs, and i cannot install udev before a newer kernel, NICE! |
| 20:19.28 | abrotman | ask #mysql |
| 20:19.29 | JKL_ | should i get it? |
| 20:19.41 | JKL_ | sepski: should i? |
| 20:19.45 | stew | rpt: what can't you install without udev? |
| 20:19.47 | Cereal | well I can run it next to eachother |
| 20:19.50 | Cereal | no problem |
| 20:19.52 | rpt | stew initramfs-tools |
| 20:19.53 | Cereal | but apt won't let me |
| 20:19.54 | dumezil | how do i fix my terminal (tty1) that isn't showing normal ascii characters? when i type my username to login weird stuff shows up. plus all the text on the screen is messed up... |
| 20:19.55 | bucky | is mwilson still banned? |
| 20:19.58 | abrotman | !enter |
| 20:19.59 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 20:20.01 | rpt | stew, unmet dependencies |
| 20:20.05 | abrotman | bucky: presumably |
| 20:20.11 | beardy | dumezil: reset ? |
| 20:20.16 | sepski | Cereal, since they conflict , you can't use apt for it |
| 20:20.27 | keyhack | Do I have to have a mouse plugged in / configured in order to run X? Before I got an (EE) error because the mouse wasnt plugged in, and I removed it from the config file, now I'm getting an (EE) because it doesnt know what to use for a default pointer |
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| 20:20.29 | Cereal | :s |
| 20:20.31 | Cereal | damn |
| 20:20.48 | dumezil | beardy like a reboot? yeah that'll do it, but is there any other way? |
| 20:20.49 | bucky | i thought lilo only imposed a thirty day ban on anyone on the first ban |
| 20:20.50 | sepski | Cereal, but seriously you woudnt want to either. use another host or an xen instance or something |
| 20:20.53 | stew | rpt: then use yaird instead of initramfs-tools |
| 20:21.03 | beardy | dumezil: no, like a 'reset', type it and run it |
| 20:21.07 | stew | rpt: what version of udev are you trying to install? |
| 20:21.09 | Cereal | sepski: I wan to migrate |
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| 20:21.14 | Cereal | but its a production server |
| 20:21.21 | Cereal | so I can't really shut it down |
| 20:21.30 | bucky | the reset command clears the screen |
| 20:21.34 | mirak | is there a multisource downloader like flashget on linux ? |
| 20:21.37 | dumezil | beardy ahh wonders!!! thanks |
| 20:21.38 | bucky | it's not reboot |
| 20:21.43 | beardy | dumezil: :) |
| 20:21.44 | sepski | Cereal, take a databse dump and test your migration offline a few times before doing it on the real one |
| 20:21.54 | Cereal | hmm, k |
| 20:22.00 | pixscooby | stew: I got the modprobe mousedev to make startx launch, is there a way I can make it work on every startup now without intervention? |
| 20:22.02 | rpt | stew whatever apt-get suggests, too new i guess, im just gonna attempt to install an older version for now then |
| 20:22.03 | sepski | you never know what apps that crash even if mysql itself manages the migration |
| 20:22.11 | stew | pixscooby: ed /etc/modules |
| 20:22.19 | abrotman | pixscooby: echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules |
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| 20:22.31 | stew | wow, i meant edit, not ed :) |
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| 20:22.35 | Fox_1_ | Õ†Õ¯ Õ»Õ°Õ° |
| 20:22.38 | bucky | Cereal: both instances of mysql won't be able to run on the same port.. you'll have to sort that out |
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| 20:23.00 | pixscooby | stew: That's it? |
| 20:23.01 | sjaakz0r | hello can anyone tell me how to pause the startup of debian...so I can read any errors it gives.. |
| 20:23.03 | rutski89 | Is there an "official" way to change my default version of python if i have both 2.3 and 2.4 installed, or should I just delete/remake the symline and have it point to 2.4? |
| 20:23.08 | stew | pixscooby: yes |
| 20:23.10 | pixscooby | stew: Thanks |
| 20:23.11 | Cereal | bucky: that's easy |
| 20:23.17 | bucky | yup |
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| 20:23.45 | sjaakz0r | what button should you press to stop the linux startup to read errors? |
| 20:23.49 | Chance | abrotman is this ok ? find -iname *.html | grep -ir keyword |
| 20:23.50 | Chance | ? |
| 20:24.09 | abrotman | Chance: no |
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| 20:24.11 | stew | Chance: change *.html to \*.html |
| 20:24.19 | abrotman | i didn't say a think about using find .. |
| 20:24.24 | stew | Chance: and change grep to xargs grep |
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| 20:24.51 | FlopsyPete | when I use ldapadd to setup my LDAP directory, I put in the password I just used in slapd's setup and it says "ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49)". does this mean it thinks I got the password wrong? or, perhaps something wrong in the ldif file? |
| 20:25.25 | sjaakz0r | can anyone tell me how I can find out what errors it displays during startup? |
| 20:25.37 | Chance | stew thanks thats what i needed |
| 20:25.50 | merlinx | sjaakz0r: dmesg |
| 20:25.52 | Chance | \* mqakes * work as a text right ? |
| 20:26.12 | stew | Chance: it makes your shell ignore it and lets find have the * intead |
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| 20:26.36 | kspath | need storage? http://www.superssd.com/products/tera-ramsan/index.htm |
| 20:26.36 | smarco | is anyone using beagle or documancer. i just would like to know if one of them works in debian. |
| 20:26.44 | Chance | i see and what if i want to search there multiple file types ? like *.txt and *.html ? |
| 20:26.48 | stew | Chance: otherwise your shell would try to replace *.html with 1.html 2.html 3.html.... which breaks the find command |
| 20:27.04 | stew | Chance: -iname \*.txt -o -iname \*.html |
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| 20:27.17 | gnube | How do I upgrade the kernel? |
| 20:27.23 | stew | gnube: /msg dpkg upgrade kernel |
| 20:27.25 | bucky | smarco: those are mono apps aren't they? |
| 20:27.31 | Chance | stew aha and what does xargs do ? |
| 20:27.34 | dumezil | is it possible to take a program (or rather a whole login session and move it to another virtual console? like im running irc on tty2 but can i move it all to tty1? |
| 20:27.36 | gnube | streuner, Thank you. |
| 20:27.41 | smarco | bucky, just beagle, documancer uses java and python |
| 20:27.46 | gnube | sorry, Stew, thanks |
| 20:27.47 | stew | Chance: man xargs |
| 20:28.09 | Chance | oki thanks a bunch |
| 20:28.19 | bucky | smarco: you could join irc.gimp.org #beagle and ask Nate |
| 20:28.27 | sjaakz0r | can anyone tell me what : JEDEC: Found no ICH2 rom device at location zero means? |
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| 20:29.13 | sepski | sjaakz0r, it means your ich2rom linux kernel module didn't fint the rom it was designed for. on intel server hardware it prevents a software reboot |
| 20:29.49 | sepski | sjaakz0r, at lest it does on my SE and BE boards |
| 20:30.15 | bucky | sjaakz0r: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-boot%40lists.debian.org/msg49208.html |
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| 20:30.22 | sepski | sjaakz0r, i just avoided loading that module by adding it to discover and hotplug blacklists |
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| 20:30.50 | sjaakz0r | ok |
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| 20:31.27 | JKL_ | if i have /tftpboot/pxelinux.0 should i reference to /pxelinux.0 or to /pxelinux.0 in dhco.conf |
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| 20:32.00 | rpt | stew, this is an impossible task, i CANNOT install initramfs without a new version of udev WHICH again needs the new kernel, i mean what the hell! :p |
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| 20:32.35 | rutski89 | Is there an "official" way to change my default version of python if i have both 2.3 and 2.4 installed, or should I just delete/remake the symline and have it point to 2.4? |
| 20:32.41 | sepski | JKL_, i use full path |
| 20:32.45 | SimonRaven | JKL_: frankly, i'd put a symlink there, and point it at the symlink - be aware that might nnot work either |
| 20:32.50 | repp | Hi folks; When starting powerdns under etch, I get this: Our pdns instance (18268) exited after signal 6 |
| 20:32.53 | Gathond | rpt: udev should install itself even with an older kernel, it just wont start before the new kernel boots |
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| 20:33.04 | Blissex | rutski89: the ''alternatives'' system perhaps. But I think Python version is a bit deeper than that. |
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| 20:33.20 | rpt | gathond, well i cant reboot the new kernel before i actually install the image :D |
| 20:33.34 | JKL_ | i have now 12 ours been trying to boot from network. how hard this can be ... |
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| 20:33.57 | rutski89 | Blissex: depper? How do you mean? |
| 20:34.05 | jetscreamer | symlink worked once for me i think, python version wise |
| 20:34.19 | Gathond | rpt:no, but I think you should be able to install the image |
| 20:34.24 | sepski | JKL_, should not be very are you on sarge? |
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| 20:34.27 | Blissex | rutski89: IIRC some packages expect Python to be 2.3 by default, at least in Sarge. |
| 20:34.33 | xoz | rpt /msg dpkg udev 2.6.12 |
| 20:34.44 | rutski89 | Blissex: ahh, i see |
| 20:34.51 | JKL_ | sepski: sarge? |
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| 20:35.03 | SimonRaven | JKL_, sepski: yes, full path |
| 20:35.09 | rpt | gathond, would think so, but nooo not without initramfs :p |
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| 20:35.20 | keyhack | When Debian mounts a USB thumbdrive, where is it mounted at? |
| 20:35.24 | urano2k3 | Hi |
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| 20:35.31 | SimonRaven | as the dhcpd isn't chrooted the way the pxe client is |
| 20:35.33 | jjazz | keyhack: Wherever you set the mount point |
| 20:35.38 | rpt | xoz, sure thatll work..oh wait..i cant dpkg -i the kernel image! :o) |
| 20:35.46 | keyhack | jjazz: I didnt set it anywhere |
| 20:35.53 | jjazz | keyhack: How did you mount the drive? |
| 20:36.01 | JKL_ | 12 ours and tftp timed out |
| 20:36.03 | keyhack | I plugged it in, thats it |
| 20:36.06 | rutski89 | Blissex: no big deal then, i'll just run stuff with the "python2.4" command, thanks for the warning :) |
| 20:36.16 | jjazz | keyhack: You have to mount it after you plug it in. man mount |
| 20:36.20 | Blissex | rutski89: not sure though, you can try. |
| 20:36.33 | sarver311 | hi everyone, i have looked around for a while for some good documentation so i hope this isn't redundant. i need to recompile my kernel which i've done on home machines but this time i have to do it on a box i only have access to remotely over ssh, and im kind of concerned on what measures i can take to prevent it from not starting up properly. Losing the ability to connect to it would be a bad thing ;) |
| 20:36.54 | xoz | rpt: im sure you can fool dpkg by tweaking /var/lib/dpkg/info/status |
| 20:36.57 | sarver311 | any links or resources regarding this topic would be greatly appreciated |
| 20:37.18 | urano2k3 | Hola. Alguien a configurado un Server Blade con Debian / Sarge |
| 20:37.20 | sjaakz0r | bucky I added skip ="ich2rom" |
| 20:37.26 | keyhack | jjazz: I type mount and see a usbfs already there |
| 20:37.32 | sjaakz0r | to the file...but it still gives me errors when I try dmesg |more |
| 20:37.34 | rpt | xoz are you saying dpkg -i kernel_image would simply work without initramfs-tools, as i compiled the kernel with --initrd |
| 20:37.41 | Blissex | sarver311: there is no way around it... |
| 20:37.48 | sepski | sjaakz0r, dmesg shows the errors from your boot you must reboot |
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| 20:37.52 | bucky | sjaakz0r: after you rebooted? |
| 20:38.07 | sjaakz0r | yeah |
| 20:38.09 | sarver311 | Blissex: around what? |
| 20:38.18 | sjaakz0r | oh wait |
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| 20:38.21 | sjaakz0r | my mistake I think |
| 20:38.23 | belkin | hi all |
| 20:38.28 | sarver311 | its pretty much, reboot and cross your fingers? ;) |
| 20:38.36 | Blissex | sarver311: pretty much so. |
| 20:38.37 | bucky | sjaakz0r: put ich2rom in /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 20:38.42 | keyhack | I don't where the device is to mount it to a directory |
| 20:38.44 | jjazz | keyhack: cat /etc/fstab |
| 20:38.50 | Blissex | sarver311: if you have _console_ access it is easy though |
| 20:38.51 | sjaakz0r | bucky should I have added it to discover.modprobe? |
| 20:38.52 | JKL_ | can i paste my dhcp.conf somewhere so u can check if it is all wrong? |
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| 20:38.56 | xoz | rpt: you can manually setup mkinitrd if you are in doubt. |
| 20:38.59 | sjaakz0r | since I don't have that file... |
| 20:39.12 | Blissex | sarver311: you keep two kernels installed, and on boot you select one or the other. |
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| 20:39.14 | keyhack | jjazz: Theres no entry in there for the USB device |
| 20:39.21 | Blissex | sarver311: but few remote services give console access. |
| 20:39.23 | keyhack | jjazz: Like I said, I dont know where the device is located to mount it |
| 20:39.29 | bucky | sjaakz0r: i lost the link on google.. there's a lot of discussion about it |
| 20:39.38 | jjazz | keyhack: look for a /dev/sd?1 line. That should show the mount point. (seeing a usbfs in mount doesn't mean it's mounted, I think-- I have usbfs showing and I have no usbkeys mounted right now) |
| 20:39.49 | sarver311 | Blissex: yeah i don't believe i have that, its pretty much i ssh to it once i've restarted it. |
| 20:39.49 | SimonRaven | Blissex, sarver311: one person did the initrd thing. he put in an sshd that started up if there were start up problems. i have no idea what he did though |
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| 20:39.55 | sepski | sarver311, this is why you want a ipKVM and a remote controlled powerstrip |
| 20:40.09 | Heroin | hi all |
| 20:40.13 | sjaakz0r | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-boot%40lists.debian.org/msg49208.html <-- there is says I should add it to discover-modprobe.conf but I don't have that file... |
| 20:40.23 | sjaakz0r | should I create ie...or just add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 20:40.30 | sepski | SimonRaven, woudnt help if the kernel paniced now would it ? |
| 20:40.33 | sarver311 | Sepski: yeah its a hosted machine by some company so i don't know if they have any of that type of thing |
| 20:40.38 | Heroin | will kdebase + kdm provide me with a desktop envoriment? |
| 20:40.47 | SimonRaven | nope |
| 20:40.49 | jjazz | keyhack: I don't know that the key is mounted. Why don't you just mount the thing wherever you want? |
| 20:40.53 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 20:40.57 | sepski | sarver311, they host it you must buy what accessories you want yourself dont you think |
| 20:41.03 | keyhack | jjazz: What is the device name! I'm trying to figure that out, lol |
| 20:41.12 | jjazz | keyhack: /dev/sd?1 |
| 20:41.13 | Heroin | simonraven.. it will not provide enough? |
| 20:41.15 | keyhack | jjazz: I know its not mounted, but when I plugged it in it didn't say what the device was |
| 20:41.21 | jjazz | keyhack: ? = a, b, etc. |
| 20:41.24 | smarco | Heroin, will give you the most important stuff (konqueror, control-cnter..) |
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| 20:41.32 | phigan | hi i'm trying to install the ACX100/110 driver module, but its not installing right.. neither from source nor from the debian package |
| 20:41.34 | King_Brad | how do i restart my network? |
| 20:41.37 | Heroin | smarco, this is enough to start it right :) |
| 20:41.38 | SimonRaven | Heroin: wasn't talking to you |
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| 20:41.46 | phigan | the module is just getting skipped over |
| 20:41.49 | phigan | during make |
| 20:41.57 | King_Brad | err should say, how do i restart eth0 ? |
| 20:42.01 | belkin | can anyone please tell me a bit more about installing debian ? |
| 20:42.04 | phigan | and then make install errors out because there's nothing there |
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| 20:42.11 | belkin | should i get netinst CD image ? |
| 20:42.14 | sarver311 | sepski: well its their machine to. something I'll have to look into, thx |
| 20:42.14 | smarco | Heroin, yes totally |
| 20:42.22 | Ronin | belkin: download iso, burn to cd, put cd in drive reboot computer |
| 20:42.37 | m0se5 | my menu for fluxbox is gone... How do I get it back? I noticed under KDE, the debian sub folder is gone from the menu. |
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| 20:42.45 | rpt | ah feck it for now, thanks for the help m gonna continue tomorrow |
| 20:42.47 | belkin | Ronin i would like to get netinst cd |
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| 20:43.00 | Ronin | belkin: by all means, if you have a good connection thats the way to go |
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| 20:43.07 | sarver311 | SimonRaven: that sshd things is along the lines I was thinking he had to run incase linux didn't startup correctly? |
| 20:43.15 | sepski | sarver311, what you can do is add your kernel to grub as the nondefault. then man grub-reboot and reboot into that entry. if it failes you can pray that it reboots and loads it's default..,. but most likely it wil just hang i guess |
| 20:43.23 | JKL_ | hey, dont leave me alone with this. i really need help here. pxe boot still doesn't work. tftp server timed out |
| 20:43.31 | Heroin | another qeeustion what is aptitude? |
| 20:43.38 | belkin | Ronin yeah |
| 20:43.45 | SimonRaven | !aptitude |
| 20:43.45 | dpkg | well, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 20:43.52 | m0se5 | Heroin, apt frontend |
| 20:43.57 | belkin | Ronin do i need to know a debian ftp sever or something during the setup ? |
| 20:44.11 | Ronin | !tell belkin about d-i |
| 20:44.16 | Heroin | m0se5 what do u mean with that |
| 20:44.17 | sjaakz0r | I'm getting errors during startup which I don't see in dmesg....how can I find out what they are? |
| 20:44.25 | Fox_1_ | does anyone use bootsplash patch in kernel 2.6.8.1??? |
| 20:44.25 | sepski | JKL_, put your tftpd config dhcpd config and a screenshot from the pxe bios with the error (digicam) on a pasterpage. tftp time out can be anything |
| 20:44.35 | SimonRaven | sepski: syslog |
| 20:44.35 | smarco | im preparing to install debian. looking at the package-version i tend to go for "unstable". i know its a hard question but will this provide me with a reliable desktop? |
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| 20:44.44 | SimonRaven | sepski: sorry |
| 20:44.47 | JKL_ | sepski: incoming ! |
| 20:44.49 | Ronin | pretty much all you need is that iso belkin, then follow the directions asked during the install |
| 20:44.55 | SimonRaven | sjaakz0r: syslog (/var/log) |
| 20:44.56 | m0se5 | Heroin read what dpkg said. |
| 20:45.01 | sarver311 | sepski: ahh ok, that actually sounds doable cause then i can just have them reboot it on their end if it doesn't start up right |
| 20:45.01 | sepski | SimonRaven, pheew.. was realy worried there a sec :) |
| 20:45.13 | sepski | sarver311, yes |
| 20:45.17 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 20:45.24 | sarver311 | sepski Great idea, thank you very much |
| 20:45.26 | m0se5 | my menu for fluxbox is gone... How do I get it back? I noticed under KDE, the debian sub folder is gone from the menu. |
| 20:45.27 | tr1gg3r | Fox_1_, no but im using bootsplash with 2.6.15 |
| 20:45.47 | belkin | Ronin so during the install i dont need to enter a specific ftp server to install it from |
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| 20:46.03 | Ronin | belkin: you will but it will ask you that and give options |
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| 20:46.27 | Kernel_core | hi all |
| 20:46.33 | sjaakz0r | omg I'm still getting the JEDEC: Found no ich2 error....I even put it in blacklist |
| 20:46.34 | belkin | ok |
| 20:46.44 | Kernel_core | I upgraded my postgresql to 7.4 ( I am running DEBIAN ) I get this error : Starting PostgreSQL 7.4 database server: main/usr/lib/postgresql/7.4/bin/pg_controldata: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/libreadline.so.5: undefined symbol: BC |
| 20:46.55 | Heroin | sweet ok thanks guys |
| 20:47.02 | belkin | Ronin thank you |
| 20:47.07 | Ronin | np |
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| 20:47.17 | Fox_1_ | tr1gg3r: i have downloaded diff file and write: cat bootsplash-3.1.4-sp3-2.6.8.1.diff | patch -p1 --dry-run it write: patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line |
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| 20:47.21 | Fox_1_ | patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input. |
| 20:47.48 | Fox_1_ | tr1gg3r: what's the problem? |
| 20:47.55 | SimonRaven | !wayttd Kernel_core |
| 20:47.55 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Kernel_core? |
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| 20:48.14 | lumat | hi |
| 20:48.22 | sjaakz0r | i Get the freaking error like 40 times during startup.....JEDEC: found no ich2 error |
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| 20:48.49 | lumat | I would like to start a script each time after the module is loaded |
| 20:49.03 | lumat | but how? |
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| 20:49.33 | lumat | i guessed something with hotplug, but no luck |
| 20:49.34 | sepski | lumat, isn't that what hotplug is meant for ? |
| 20:49.39 | tr1gg3r | Fox_1_, r u running patch from within /usr/src/linux |
| 20:49.40 | sjaakz0r | if I dont' have discover-modprobe.conf ....can I then just create it? |
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| 20:49.44 | Fox_1_ | tr1gg3r: ? |
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| 20:49.58 | Kernel_core | !wayttd |
| 20:49.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
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| 20:50.12 | JKL_ | how do i mount that digicamera. usb conneciton |
| 20:50.14 | Fox_1_ | tr1gg3r: yes |
| 20:50.18 | _rene_ | !u |
| 20:50.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:50.20 | abrotman | dpkg: what do you want to do tonight |
| 20:50.22 | junix-other | i need to compile a old kernel to work properly with my pc |
| 20:50.28 | abrotman | hrm |
| 20:50.29 | junix-other | 2.6.7 |
| 20:50.33 | smarco | would anyone remind me of the name of this netinstall thing? |
| 20:50.34 | sepski | JKL_, usualy usb-storage |
| 20:50.41 | sepski | !tell JKL_ about usb-storage |
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| 20:50.54 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight |
| 20:50.54 | dpkg | abrotman: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 20:51.00 | el_ | my grub.conf line is title linux.2.6.8; root (hd0,1); kernel /boot/linux2.6.8 root=/dev/hda2; savedefault; boot...why is it giving error finding hda2 |
| 20:51.11 | sepski | JKL_, sucky cameras that dont support that must be downloaded useing gphoto or some tool |
| 20:51.17 | el_ | rafb.net/paste/results/MkvCfz69.html ^^ |
| 20:51.17 | abrotman | el_: define "error" |
| 20:51.21 | KerPlunk | el_: Just type update-grub as root. |
| 20:51.25 | el_ | ok |
| 20:51.33 | tr1gg3r | Fox_1_, sounds like ur patch is corrupt, does patch any files successfully? |
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| 20:52.04 | el_ | KerPlunk: that does not put in my kernel 2.6 |
| 20:52.48 | el_ | abrotman: the error was that it could not find "hda2" please add a corrent root= to boot line |
| 20:52.54 | Fox_1_ | tr1gg3r: what files |
| 20:52.57 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 20:52.59 | abrotman | el_: is it sata? |
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| 20:53.11 | el_ | nope |
| 20:53.16 | abrotman | scsi? |
| 20:53.23 | tr1gg3r | Fox_1_, does pathc, patch any files before it dies? |
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| 20:53.40 | tr1gg3r | Fox_1_, pathc=patch |
| 20:53.47 | el_ | no, its a laptop, standard ide i belive, i have gentoo on the same laptop(not same but r51), and i never had to install sata or scsi in kernel |
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| 20:53.56 | goron | Why would emacs show these characters like this? http://img492.imageshack.us/my.php?image=schermafdruk16be.png |
| 20:54.19 | el_ | and i have root=/dev/hda2 on the other kernels in menu.lst |
| 20:54.30 | Heroin | how do i start kde? |
| 20:54.38 | dondelelcaro | goron: because you don't have the font that it was trying to use installed |
| 20:54.45 | Fox_1_ | jkhk |
| 20:54.45 | tr1gg3r | el_, r /boot and / on same partition? |
| 20:54.49 | junix-other | Heroin: /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 20:54.50 | Fox_1_ | sorry |
| 20:54.52 | el_ | tr1gg3r: yes |
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| 20:55.11 | tr1gg3r | el_, plz paste that line from fstab |
| 20:55.20 | el_ | what line? |
| 20:55.21 | dondelelcaro | goron: C-h h; FE |
| 20:55.22 | Fox_1_ | tr1gg3r: i download just one diff file |
| 20:55.25 | el_ | rafb.net/paste/results/MkvCfz69.html ^^ |
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| 20:55.47 | tr1gg3r | Fox_1_, that single patch patches many files |
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| 20:56.20 | Fox_1_ | tr1gg3r: yes, then? |
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| 20:56.28 | Nilshar | hello, I trying a netboot install (with preseed etc..), I'm passing a few args in the append (the questions asked before preseed file is downloaded), I got all working but one : the languagechooser. whatever I do, it still ask me the question |
| 20:56.33 | el_ | tr1gg3r: rafb.net/paste/results/MkvCfz69.html ^^ |
| 20:56.42 | Heroin | junix: it said starting K display manager: kdm |
| 20:56.52 | Heroin | i want to start the desktop enviroemnt |
| 20:57.00 | starfishy | startkde |
| 20:57.01 | Fox_1_ | tr1gg3r: it didn't patch any file. |
| 20:57.16 | starfishy | or start kdm and select kde from the session menu |
| 20:57.17 | goron | dondelelcaro: ok, it doesn't show some of them correctly. What fonts do I need and where do I get them (I already got the intl fonts), and how do I verify they are used? |
| 20:57.25 | Heroin | cannot connect to X server |
| 20:57.33 | tr1gg3r | Fox_1_, then what? does it patch any files before it dies the output will say patching file <filename> if patch applied |
| 20:57.52 | starfishy | then your X setup likely is incorrect |
| 20:57.54 | Fox_1_ | tr1gg3r: look: debian:/usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1# cat bootsplash-3.1.4-sp3-2.6.8.1.diff | patch -p1 --dry-run |
| 20:57.55 | starfishy | try to start X |
| 20:57.56 | Fox_1_ | patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line |
| 20:57.56 | Fox_1_ | patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input. |
| 20:58.08 | Fox_1_ | tr1gg3r: no, it doesn't. |
| 20:58.13 | el_ | tr1gg3r: did u look at the line? |
| 20:58.15 | stew | Fox_1_: the patch is broken, you need to find one that isnt' broken |
| 20:58.17 | JKL_ | sepski: and then the place where to paste? |
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| 20:58.50 | ZiDaNe | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 20:58.56 | ZiDaNe | oops sorry |
| 20:59.50 | tr1gg3r | el_, yes which entry is giving u issue 2.4 or 2.6? |
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| 21:00.01 | el_ | 2.6 |
| 21:00.15 | el_ | tr1gg3r: 2.6 |
| 21:00.25 | tr1gg3r | el_, since ur not using an initrd did u forget to compile in support for ide device |
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| 21:00.51 | tr1gg3r | el_, if thats a debian kernel u need the initrd |
| 21:00.53 | el_ | tr1gg3r: im preaty sure i did, but ill check it out |
| 21:00.59 | el_ | its 1 i build |
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| 21:01.01 | el_ | t* |
| 21:01.07 | opensores | I'm trying to add and test my printer, before it would print garbage, now it won't print anything, it tells me its printing but nothing happens. Any suggestions about why this might be? |
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| 21:01.19 | tr1gg3r | el_, my guess is u are missing driver for ide device |
| 21:01.40 | el_ | k, ill take a look |
| 21:01.40 | tr1gg3r | opensores, wrong driver |
| 21:02.06 | opensores | tr1gg3r, but i've added the correct driver for my printer |
| 21:02.13 | sjaakz0r | what can I do about broken packages? |
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| 21:02.27 | jcurry | i am getting "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" when i run grub-install chrooted into my new sata harddrive...how do i fix this? should i delete stage1 and run setup from the grub commandline? |
| 21:02.36 | stew | sjaakz0r: /msg dpkg bat |
| 21:02.37 | bucky | opensores: hp printer? |
| 21:02.43 | opensores | epson |
| 21:02.56 | tr1gg3r | opensores, using cups? maybe try another? maybe u r missing something like a filter or foomatic? |
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| 21:03.04 | el_ | trigger, where am i looking for htis? device divers -> ata? |
| 21:03.14 | stew | jcurry: is /boot on a separate partition? |
| 21:03.16 | parthfinder | yeah yeah!! canon just |
| 21:03.26 | opensores | it *did* print at one time, now it just sits there |
| 21:03.55 | sjaakz0r | stew it complaints about unmet dependencies when I try to install ivtv0.4-utils...about libc6 libgcc1 and libstdc++6 |
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| 21:04.15 | jcurry | stew, no, all one one |
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| 21:04.24 | tr1gg3r | el_, device drvrs->ata/atapi/.... |
| 21:04.25 | jcurry | stew, sorry, all of / is on one partition |
| 21:04.30 | opensores | oh, its doing something now |
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| 21:04.47 | stew | sjaakz0r: that means the package is for a different distribution |
| 21:04.49 | el_ | tr1gg3r: it was a modules, now its in, and recomipled, rebooting |
| 21:05.02 | sjaakz0r | yeah it's for sid.. |
| 21:05.08 | sjaakz0r | and I'm running stable |
| 21:05.11 | sjaakz0r | no way to solve this? |
| 21:05.20 | stew | sjaakz0r: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:05.22 | tr1gg3r | el_, that would be it, without initrd ide drivers must be compiled in |
| 21:05.40 | el_ | my bad...rebooting it now |
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| 21:05.58 | Fox_1_ | ok, does anyone have bootsplash-3.1.4-sp3-2.6.8.1.diff file? please send it to me. |
| 21:06.03 | valent|n0 | I am a fresh linux install, download minimal bootable CD from debian , and I got up to the command line .. anyone know if this image has GUI on it? I run tasksel and try to install xwindow and desktop environment, I got an error could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 permision denied) |
| 21:06.43 | mcgreg | you must be root |
| 21:06.48 | jcurry | stew...do you have any idea what could be wrong? |
| 21:06.53 | junix-other | tr1gg3r: what was that make-kpkg command you gave me the other day??? |
| 21:06.56 | el_ | tr1gg3r: still same problem...i dunno |
| 21:07.02 | stew | valent|n0: are you doing that as root? |
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| 21:07.21 | JKL_ | where do i can up pics and text |
| 21:07.22 | stew | jcurry: i'm not sure, try looking in /usr/share/doc/grub |
| 21:07.31 | valent|n0 | mmm bare with me, I am a brand new linux user.. maybe I am not as a root ,, how do I know? |
| 21:07.35 | sjaakz0r | how can I see my linux version to confirm I have 3.1 |
| 21:07.40 | stew | valent|n0: type "whoami" |
| 21:07.41 | SimonRaven | !paster |
| 21:07.41 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 21:07.52 | SimonRaven | sjaakz0r: no such thing |
| 21:07.54 | kspath | id |
| 21:07.57 | valent|n0 | it says armando |
| 21:07.59 | sjaakz0r | what do you mean? |
| 21:08.04 | stew | sjaakz0r: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:08.17 | SimonRaven | sjaakz0r: there is no linux 3.1 yet |
| 21:08.25 | kspath | valent: id |
| 21:08.36 | sjaakz0r | The latest stable release of Debian is 3.1. |
| 21:08.38 | valent|n0 | uid 1000 |
| 21:08.39 | stew | sjaakz0r: but that is not completely conclusive, better is to compare your version of libc6 (dpkg -l libc6) with the current version in stable, /msg dpkg info libc6 stable |
| 21:08.47 | SimonRaven | !version |
| 21:08.47 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:08.53 | valent|n0 | gid 1000 , .. it looks like I am as my username.. not a root |
| 21:09.02 | sjaakz0r | ok stew |
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| 21:09.15 | stew | valent|n0: type "su" to become root |
| 21:09.24 | valent|n0 | done |
| 21:09.25 | sarver311 | crap i just realized something i'm not sure what bootloader i'm using, is there an easy way to find out? |
| 21:09.31 | valent|n0 | now try tasksel again? |
| 21:09.31 | SimonRaven | su - |
| 21:09.31 | stew | valent|n0: now try tasksel |
| 21:09.32 | opensores | OK, now when I add my printer it says "Unable to load the requested driver: Unable to create the Foomatic driver [Epson-Stylus_C62,gimp-print]. Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation." |
| 21:09.37 | valent|n0 | thx! |
| 21:09.41 | sjaakz0r | I have 2.3.2 stew...is that the problem? |
| 21:09.43 | opensores | where do I get that driver from? |
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| 21:10.03 | sjaakz0r | 2.3.2.ds1-22 to be precise stew |
| 21:10.04 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: version =~ s/list/list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>/ |
| 21:10.04 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 21:10.07 | el_ | :q |
| 21:10.09 | stew | sjaakz0r: you are on stable, those utils were compiled for sid, you need to recompile them for stable |
| 21:10.10 | el_ | woooops |
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| 21:10.33 | bucky | opensores: did you do that as root |
| 21:10.38 | tr1gg3r | el_, how about ur filesystem driver that has to be compiled in too |
| 21:10.39 | Mask | How can I find out which NICs the Debian Net Install CD supports? |
| 21:10.44 | sjaakz0r | that's what I guessed stew.. |
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| 21:10.48 | opensores | bucky, yes |
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| 21:11.05 | tr1gg3r | junix-other, make-kpkg --rev custom kernel-image |
| 21:11.10 | bucky | opensores: are you using http://localhost:631 ..i think that's it |
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| 21:11.57 | opensores | bucky, I was using the control centre - any idea what I put for 'location'? |
| 21:12.08 | valent|n0 | gdm xdm kdm ?? boy I got lots to read .. thx stew |
| 21:12.50 | bucky | opensores: i don't know.. i always use the web based utility to add a printer.. but i would guess location is localhost |
| 21:13.03 | bucky | opensores: have you got cupsd running? |
| 21:13.04 | stew | valent|n0: if you are going to use gnome use gdm, kde -> kdm, otherwise doesn't really matter |
| 21:13.27 | sjaakz0r | stew when I'm trying to make && make install them myself I get an error lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/build no such file or directory? |
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| 21:13.53 | stew | sjaakz0r: you are trying to build ivtv drivers? |
| 21:13.55 | keyhack | is it impossible to run programs full screen in xdm? |
| 21:14.00 | sjaakz0r | yeah |
| 21:14.06 | stew | sjaakz0r: apt-get isntall kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 21:14.06 | sjaakz0r | according to their manual |
| 21:14.08 | sjaakz0r | on the site |
| 21:14.14 | stew | sjaakz0r: make sure they support 2.4 |
| 21:14.36 | Heroin | i cant seem to startx |
| 21:14.52 | Heroin | it says cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 21:14.54 | kps | any idea why ./MAKEDEV audio in /dev doesn't create /dev/dsp, only /dev/dsp1 ? |
| 21:14.54 | sjaakz0r | stew how do I find out? |
| 21:15.13 | stew | sjaakz0r: the docs should say if they don't |
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| 21:15.15 | Heroin | while i have a ps2 ball mouse attached |
| 21:15.16 | kps | (alsa audio stopped working when i changed the soundcard) |
| 21:15.25 | sjaakz0r | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_PVR_500_Setup <-- that's what I'm following stew |
| 21:15.29 | stew | sjaakz0r: actually hopefully the make would have died by now if they don't, don't worry about it, i guess |
| 21:15.41 | smarco | if you have a large tar-archive, 50GB for example, would it require alot of temporary space to extract a 1MB file from it? |
| 21:15.56 | kps | (i have the correct kernel module loaded, but alsamixergui claims there is no such device) |
| 21:16.12 | bucky | kps: have you run alsaconf ? |
| 21:16.21 | kps | yes i did and it detected the soundcard |
| 21:16.28 | kps | then i even rebooted |
| 21:16.39 | opensores | bucky, cupsd is running - I've added a printer through http://localhost:631 but it doesn't do anything when I print a test page |
| 21:16.42 | starfishy | heroin: do you have the proper driver? |
| 21:16.48 | sjaakz0r | omg I wish I knew more about linux :( |
| 21:16.54 | starfishy | /dev/input/mice is used for USB IIRC |
| 21:16.55 | kps | it said alsa loaded ok when the machine started |
| 21:16.57 | starfishy | 'sbeen a while |
| 21:17.09 | starfishy | the device for PS/2 is /dev/psaux |
| 21:17.14 | bucky | opensores: is this usb.. do you have your usb bus set up? |
| 21:17.42 | bucky | opensores: lsusb |
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| 21:17.53 | stew | Heroin: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 21:18.25 | Heroin | starfishy i dont think i do |
| 21:18.39 | Heroin | but it works when i use ubuntu live cd |
| 21:18.45 | opensores | parallel |
| 21:18.46 | sjaakz0r | stew...could you help me a bit more with this plz? since i'm not that experienced |
| 21:18.49 | opensores | bucky, |
| 21:18.53 | bucky | opensores: |
| 21:19.02 | Heroin | ah ok |
| 21:19.04 | stew | sjaakz0r: if you ask specific questions, i'll answer them |
| 21:19.08 | starfishy | heroin: try to replace /dev/input/mice with /dev/psaux in your X config |
| 21:19.08 | opensores | its parallel, lsusb only shows my mouse |
| 21:19.12 | abrotman | Heroin: is mousedev loaded? |
| 21:19.15 | Heroin | how do i reconfig xwindow again? |
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| 21:19.25 | blondie | hm |
| 21:19.25 | sjaakz0r | ok stew...you said I could forget the make..what did you mean with that? |
| 21:19.25 | abrotman | Heroin: load the mousedev module |
| 21:19.26 | streuner | !drxx Heroin |
| 21:19.26 | dpkg | Heroin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:19.28 | Heroin | sorry iam very new to linux |
| 21:19.34 | streuner | !n00b |
| 21:19.34 | dpkg | i guess n00b is l33t jargon for newbie. |
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| 21:20.03 | stew | sjaakz0r: no, go ahead with the make, i just meant forget what i was saying about making sure it works in 2.4, i believe it should |
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| 21:20.23 | sjaakz0r | well stew I'm getting the error if I try to make && make install |
| 21:20.25 | opensores | If i print a test page it shows in completed jobs as "cancelled" |
| 21:20.29 | stew | sjaakz0r: what error |
| 21:20.36 | bucky | opensores: do you have parport loaded.. lsmod |
| 21:20.40 | stew | sjaakz0r: about not fiding /lib/modules/.../build? |
| 21:20.41 | Fox_1_ | how can I search file in internet?? |
| 21:20.47 | abrotman | google |
| 21:21.02 | sjaakz0r | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 21:21.31 | opensores | bucky, parport 21608 1 [parport_pc lp] -- I can print if I set my printer as raw rather than epson but it just prints junk |
| 21:21.46 | stew | sjaakz0r: paste the errors to a pastebin |
| 21:21.48 | starfishy | fox: google.com |
| 21:21.56 | sjaakz0r | ok |
| 21:22.04 | kps | heh, now i remeber; this sound card is broken ... |
| 21:22.06 | kps | ok later |
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| 21:22.24 | bucky | opensores: have you run printconf ? |
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| 21:22.49 | opensores | I don't have a printconf program |
| 21:23.00 | bucky | opensores: apt-get it |
| 21:23.24 | sjaakz0r | stew http://pastebin.com/504543 |
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| 21:23.29 | Fox_1_ | starfishy: it didn't found file |
| 21:23.39 | Nilshar | I'm trying a netboot install (with preseed etc..), I'm passing a few args in the append (the questions asked before preseed file is downloaded), I got all working but one : the languagechooser. whatever I do, it still ask me the question |
| 21:23.43 | abrotman | Fox_1_: what file? |
| 21:23.53 | abrotman | Nilshar: #debian-boot |
| 21:24.00 | Nilshar | abrotman: ty |
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| 21:24.24 | stew | 16:17 < stew> sjaakz0r: apt-get isntall kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 21:24.25 | Fox_1_ | bootsplash-3.1.4-sp3-2.6.8.1.diff |
| 21:24.32 | valent|n0 | what is the executable file extension in linux ?? tar? |
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| 21:24.41 | abrotman | there is no extension |
| 21:24.43 | blondie | valent|n0: there isnt one |
| 21:24.45 | sjaakz0r | sorry didn't see |
| 21:24.49 | blondie | it's not windows ;) |
| 21:24.53 | blondie | you chmod +x something |
| 21:25.02 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=bootsplash-3.1.4-sp3-2.6.8.1.diff&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 21:25.17 | sjaakz0r | sorry about that stew...missed the line |
| 21:25.40 | dumezil | what would be the fastest way to transfer 47gigs of files (mostly small files) from one computer to another and still maintain permissions and ownership, etc? |
| 21:25.43 | mcgreg | blondie: fortunately it is not windows... |
| 21:25.46 | valent|n0 | ic :D , what is tar, gz gzip ect2? |
| 21:25.48 | stew | sjaakz0r: np |
| 21:25.58 | blondie | mmmm |
| 21:26.03 | Fox_1_ | abrotman: so? the file from bootsplash.de is broken. |
| 21:26.10 | mcgreg | kinds of archieves |
| 21:26.22 | JKL_ | sepski: http://phpfi.com/96136 http://phpfi.com/96137 |
| 21:26.23 | opensores | ooh |
| 21:26.30 | mcgreg | tar = tarball gz = gzip , just as extension |
| 21:26.40 | abrotman | Fox_1_: bootsplash isn't in debian |
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| 21:26.54 | opensores | thank you bucky :) |
| 21:26.58 | bucky | yup |
| 21:27.04 | sjaakz0r | ok stew it makes now..but now I get make: *** [install] Error 1 |
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| 21:27.48 | Fox_1_ | abrotman: i know |
| 21:27.55 | sjaakz0r | I'll paste it again in a pastebin stew |
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| 21:28.09 | valent|n0 | enter default encoding , (sql_ASCII) .. unicode or ASCII ? WIN? |
| 21:28.20 | SimonRaven | unicode |
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| 21:28.40 | dumezil | what would be the fastest way to transfer 47gigs of files (mostly small files) from one computer to another and still maintain permissions and ownership, etc? rsync, nfs, ftp, what? |
| 21:29.06 | pumpkin0 | tar + ftp |
| 21:29.09 | sjaakz0r | stew http://pastebin.com/504554 |
| 21:29.10 | Smoked1 | I have never used NFS but I am trying to setup my debian box as an NFS server so that I can backup to it from my other SERVERS. How do I check to see if NFS is enabled or available right now? |
| 21:29.12 | valent|n0 | thx |
| 21:29.23 | blondie | dumezil: I would tar over netcat |
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| 21:29.28 | seb- | Smoked1: ps aux | grep nfs |
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| 21:29.38 | blondie | faster than tarring and ftping |
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| 21:29.51 | seb- | Smoked1: /etc/init.d/nfsd start |
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| 21:30.07 | blondie | (assuming they are on a LAN that is relatively secure) |
| 21:30.12 | SimonRaven | nfs-[kernel|user]-server |
| 21:30.13 | seb- | Smoked1: i mean /etc/init.d/nfs-common |
| 21:30.26 | SimonRaven | and that |
| 21:30.30 | valent|n0 | mm its done, installing xwindows desktop environment ect.. now I am back at the prompt.. should I just restart? |
| 21:30.43 | dumezil | blondie could you explain more? |
| 21:30.46 | SimonRaven | @xwindows |
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| 21:30.50 | blondie | umm |
| 21:30.51 | SimonRaven | !xwindows |
| 21:30.51 | dpkg | i heard xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 21:30.52 | Smoked1 | Ill see whats up then. Is there a config file that I need to look at? |
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| 21:31.05 | King_Brad | where can i get a list of apt-get sources? |
| 21:31.07 | King_Brad | for sarge |
| 21:31.24 | seb- | King_Brad: you mean packages? |
| 21:31.25 | Fox_1_ | any pc2pc software(for debian)??? |
| 21:31.26 | stew | King_Brad: /msg dpkg mirrors ; or apt-setup |
| 21:31.32 | King_Brad | i mean apt-get sources |
| 21:31.33 | geekbr | King_Brad, try the netselect-apt .. is a good generator |
| 21:31.38 | King_Brad | so i can apt-get them |
| 21:31.43 | valent|n0 | is there a command for restart the system? |
| 21:31.51 | mcgreg | reboot |
| 21:31.53 | stew | sjaakz0r: that's odd, did it copy any files into /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/kernel/ivtv? |
| 21:31.57 | abrotman | King_Brad: apt-setup |
| 21:31.58 | King_Brad | command not found geekbr |
| 21:31.58 | geekbr | mcgreg, noooooo |
| 21:31.58 | sjaakz0r | no |
| 21:31.59 | mcgreg | or init 6 |
| 21:32.01 | sjaakz0r | nothing stew |
| 21:32.01 | JKL_ | anything wrong with these http://phpfi.com/96136 http://phpfi.com/96137 ? tftp doesnt work |
| 21:32.12 | geekbr | King_Brad, aptitude install netselect-apt |
| 21:32.13 | King_Brad | cool |
| 21:32.14 | sjaakz0r | the make works good now stew...just the make install not |
| 21:32.14 | King_Brad | thanks |
| 21:32.17 | geekbr | man netselect-apt |
| 21:32.21 | SimonRaven | !tell valent|n0 -about rutebook |
| 21:32.23 | Smoked1 | I don't have nfs-common but I have mountnfs.sh |
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| 21:32.34 | SimonRaven | that's different |
| 21:32.35 | Smoked1 | Do I need to install NFS from APT? |
| 21:32.43 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 21:32.48 | geekbr | Smoked1, meybe nsf-server |
| 21:32.49 | bucky | Smoked1: which version of debian are you using? |
| 21:32.50 | mcgreg | geekbr: hmm? he wanted to restart the system.. what was wrong with rebooting? |
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| 21:32.51 | blondie | dumezil: http://www.securitydocs.com/library/3376 |
| 21:32.51 | alessiog75 | good evening @all |
| 21:32.58 | blondie | dumezil: read the bit under Tar |
| 21:32.59 | Smoked1 | I am using sarge |
| 21:33.04 | geekbr | mcgreg, windows need reboot |
| 21:33.04 | stew | sjaakz0r: oh, i'm lookint at the makefile now, its broken for 2.4 |
| 21:33.05 | geekbr | hehe |
| 21:33.08 | keyhack | how can I configure X so it will run without requiring a mouse? |
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| 21:33.16 | bucky | Smoked1: what's in /etc/init.d ? |
| 21:33.20 | blondie | dumezil: I'd leave out the "z" option though, as it slows things down on a fast network |
| 21:33.23 | sjaakz0r | hmm so how can I solve that stew? |
| 21:33.27 | phigan | how do I tell what version of GCC a binary was compiled with? |
| 21:33.29 | Smoked1 | mountnfs.sh |
| 21:33.34 | mcgreg | geekbr: well, that actually doesnt matter (why) , he wanteds to know how to restart the system :) |
| 21:33.38 | Smoked1 | mountvirtnfs.sh |
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| 21:33.55 | stew | sjaakz0r: open driver/Makefile ; look at the install:: target, there is a find statement that is looking for msg3400.ko and a bunch of others, the all the .ko's in that line need to be changed to .o |
| 21:34.04 | geekbr | mcgreg, reboot |
| 21:34.04 | Smoked1 | Oh and unountnfs.sh |
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| 21:34.07 | geekbr | can be |
| 21:34.09 | bucky | Smoked1: no nfs-common ? |
| 21:34.13 | Smoked1 | No |
| 21:34.25 | bucky | hmm.. must be different in etch |
| 21:34.31 | geekbr | Smoked1, dpkg -a | grep nfs |
| 21:34.37 | JKL_ | how to open port 69 so it works to anyone? |
| 21:34.48 | abrotman | JKL_: is it udp or tcp ? |
| 21:34.52 | JKL_ | udp |
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| 21:34.59 | abrotman | can you nmap it ? |
| 21:35.10 | Smoked1 | dpkg -a | grep nfs |
| 21:35.10 | Smoked1 | dpkg: need an action option |
| 21:35.10 | Smoked1 | Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*]; |
| 21:35.10 | Smoked1 | Use dselect for user-friendly package management; |
| 21:35.10 | Smoked1 | Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values; |
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| 21:35.19 | geekbr | soeey |
| 21:35.21 | Smoked1 | woops |
| 21:35.22 | JKL_ | abrotman: nmap? |
| 21:35.28 | geekbr | Smoked1, l |
| 21:35.31 | abrotman | man nmap ? |
| 21:35.33 | geekbr | Smoked1, -l |
| 21:35.43 | JKL_ | no manual |
| 21:35.49 | JKL_ | no such command |
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| 21:36.01 | JKL_ | i can portscan it |
| 21:36.02 | geekbr | JKL_, install nmap |
| 21:36.07 | valent|n0 | hey I got some gui :) |
| 21:36.10 | JKL_ | its says filtered |
| 21:36.19 | valent|n0 | but my mouse isn't working tho |
| 21:36.20 | keyhack | Two questions: 1.) How do I make my computer launch X at bootup (running my .xsession file to exec my app) without going to xdm for a login? And 2.) How can I configure X such that it doesn't require a mouse in order to run? |
| 21:36.27 | sjaakz0r | stew you mean the 4 .ko files? |
| 21:36.32 | phigan | can anyone tell me how I tell what version of GCC a binary was compiled with? |
| 21:36.36 | Smoked1 | I don't get anything when I do a dpkg -l | grep nfs |
| 21:36.51 | stew | sjaakz0r: yes, for 2.4 kernel modules are named .o not .ko |
| 21:36.59 | bucky | phigan: which binary? |
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| 21:37.18 | geekbr | Smoked1, because you dont have any nfs pachage |
| 21:37.22 | JKL_ | abrotman: äh, i was ssh to wrong cpu. i can nmap it |
| 21:37.26 | sjaakz0r | I'm still getting the same error stew...should I do anything else |
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| 21:37.33 | geekbr | Smoked1, try apt-cache search nfs |
| 21:37.39 | phigan | bucky: doc.o, for example |
| 21:37.41 | abrotman | JKL_: you'll have to read the man page to see how to nmap UDP ports |
| 21:37.41 | JKL_ | abrotman: with some flags |
| 21:37.50 | geekbr | Smoked1, or install nfs-server |
| 21:38.24 | Smoked1 | I should just install nfs-common for client and server options? |
| 21:38.27 | alys | Please: I have plugged in a USB memory key and nothing happened! What should I have done? Is there a factoid on this? Thanks |
| 21:38.30 | phigan | bucky: I built a module, but when i try to insmod it gives me an error about it being compiled with a different version of gcc. |
| 21:38.38 | JKL_ | abrotman: 69/udp open|filtered tftp |
| 21:38.40 | bucky | phigan: nvidia? |
| 21:38.48 | phigan | bucky: but, i only have gcc3. no, m-sys disk-on-chip |
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| 21:39.04 | geekbr | Smoked1, what do you want whith nfs ? |
| 21:39.08 | abrotman | guess it's open |
| 21:39.16 | JKL_ | but not sure? |
| 21:39.20 | bucky | phigan: i don't know |
| 21:39.28 | valent|n0 | I got the screen wheren I can navigate the cursor with the num pad.. how do I fix my mouse? |
| 21:39.28 | geekbr | Smoked1, if you need mount server just install nfs-client |
| 21:39.32 | sjaakz0r | should I do anything else before make install again Stew? |
| 21:39.35 | JKL_ | does hosts.allow .deny have effect? |
| 21:39.37 | geekbr | to serve nfs-server |
| 21:39.38 | mcgreg | alys: a usb memory stick? a massstorage? you need usb massstorage modules and you need to mount it .. it should be /dev/sda1 then |
| 21:40.19 | alys | mcgreg: usb memory stick... |
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| 21:40.21 | geekbr | alys, can you see the storage whith dmesg |
| 21:40.48 | phigan | what's a good place on freenode to ask about obscure problems with debian packages? |
| 21:40.48 | stew | sjaakz0r: i'm not sure, seems like they broke installing on 2.4, you should consider upgrading to 2.6 and trying again |
| 21:41.07 | geekbr | phigan, here ? |
| 21:41.19 | alys | geekbr: yes - it says Sony Model storage media |
| 21:41.23 | mcgreg | alys: well, a memory stick IS a massstorage :) you need usb masstorage modules, then you just needs to mount them |
| 21:41.26 | sjaakz0r | ok stew...so what's the easiest way to upgrade to 2.6 ? |
| 21:41.33 | stew | sjaakz0r: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 21:41.38 | geekbr | alys, just it ?? |
| 21:41.44 | geekbr | can you past here ? |
| 21:41.47 | mcgreg | like mount /dev/sda1 /usbstick |
| 21:41.48 | phigan | geekbr: doesn't seem like obscure problems get answered here :) |
| 21:42.01 | phigan | unlike "how do i install debian" |
| 21:42.04 | geekbr | phigan, try |
| 21:42.33 | phigan | The acx100/110 driver package doesn't install properly |
| 21:42.40 | bucky | phigan: i have a feeling it wants to be compiled with the same version of gcc that the kernel was compiled with according to cat /proc/version |
| 21:42.54 | stew | bucky: definately |
| 21:43.15 | geekbr | phigan, are you talk about RTFM hehe ?? |
| 21:43.16 | alys | USB Mass Storage device found at 2 and USB Mass Storage support registered |
| 21:43.24 | King_Brad | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 21:43.27 | King_Brad | any idea what that means? |
| 21:43.29 | lumat | King_Brad: http://wiki.webahead.ibm.com/pilot/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=DC4ebMaint |
| 21:43.33 | King_Brad | ty |
| 21:43.36 | sjaakz0r | stew... so you want me to upgrade to kernel-image-2.6-386? |
| 21:43.43 | King_Brad | that site is dead |
| 21:43.48 | stew | sjaakz0r: what cpu do you have? |
| 21:43.59 | sjaakz0r | intel |
| 21:44.07 | phigan | bucky: yeh, it says the kernel is version 3 and the doc.o is version 2 |
| 21:44.07 | mcgreg | I wonder why the hell udev or whatever is responsible for kernel-modules-loading finds my eth-cards every boot different. sometimes my realtek is on eth0, then on eth1 then on eth2 .. and so on. it sucks a bit when you have to confugure your net every boot ;) |
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| 21:44.17 | stew | sjaakz0r: which? |
| 21:44.19 | phigan | geekbr: eh? |
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| 21:44.22 | bucky | King_Brad: gcc --version see if it's even installed |
| 21:44.28 | sjaakz0r | pentium III 800 mhz |
| 21:44.29 | phigan | geekbr: I read the readme's and junk, all of them say it should install and work fine |
| 21:44.30 | stew | sjaakz0r: kernel-image-2.6-686 then |
| 21:44.35 | Diguinho | hi... the contrib section was removed from unstable ? |
| 21:44.36 | sjaakz0r | ah k |
| 21:44.39 | lumat | King_Brad: hm, wiki.webahead is facing problems right now. dunno what they are doing |
| 21:44.41 | sjaakz0r | I thought it was 1386 |
| 21:44.43 | stew | Diguinho: no |
| 21:44.44 | sjaakz0r | i386 even |
| 21:44.45 | geekbr | phigan, where you from ? |
| 21:44.49 | phigan | geekbr: hm, but i just noticed the .o is in there. |
| 21:44.51 | lumat | but there is an sources.list for @IBM |
| 21:44.59 | stew | sjaakz0r: everything after pentium pro was 686 |
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| 21:45.07 | delire | mcgreg: wow, that does suck. |
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| 21:45.13 | JKL_ | i need help with pxe and tftp. please help |
| 21:45.17 | alys | geekbr: it says: USB Mass Storage device found at 2 and USB Mass Storage support registered |
| 21:45.20 | sjaakz0r | and should I edit etc/kernel-image.conf before or after? |
| 21:45.33 | Diguinho | Packages is 0 kb ! |
| 21:45.33 | phigan | geekbr: You mean where do I live? Usa |
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| 21:45.39 | sjaakz0r | because I'm using grub |
| 21:45.41 | geekbr | alys, just it ? |
| 21:45.42 | mcgreg | alys: as I said, try to mount it. mkdir /home/user/usbstick , then mount /dev/sda1 /home/user/usbstick |
| 21:45.46 | mcgreg | should work |
| 21:45.48 | stew | sjaakz0r: check now that it has the postinst line containing update-grub, it probably is already there |
| 21:45.58 | alys | Thank you so much |
| 21:46.05 | lumat | King_Brad: or see http://olymp.vienna.at.ibm.com |
| 21:46.16 | geekbr | phigan, because you wrote "eh".. is a brasilian expression |
| 21:46.16 | King_Brad | i got it :) |
| 21:46.20 | King_Brad | was missing libc6-dev |
| 21:46.23 | King_Brad | thx |
| 21:46.25 | sjaakz0r | yeah it allready has stew |
| 21:46.43 | Diguinho | ops |
| 21:46.55 | geekbr | haha |
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| 21:47.08 | geekbr | ops é ótimo Diguinho |
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| 21:47.34 | iLinux | hi all |
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| 21:47.48 | sjaakz0r | ok stew so I upgraded...should I now redo the make make install? |
| 21:48.09 | geekbr | alys, maybe you dont have the module |
| 21:48.25 | Diguinho | my fault |
| 21:48.28 | dumezil | blondie et al : so im now trying to transfer these 47 gigs of small files using netcat and tar, however nload (a little bandwidth usage monitor) is only showing approx 17 MBits/sec utilization. the sending computer is on a gigabit link and the receiving computer is 100MBits... i know this is far reaching and broad, but why am i not using more bandwidth? |
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| 21:48.39 | mcgreg | geekbr: hmm? I thought it works now? -> <alys> Thank you so much |
| 21:48.54 | geekbr | Diguinho, ok .. hapening |
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| 21:49.03 | GenneX | hey people |
| 21:49.11 | geekbr | mcgreg, ok |
| 21:49.14 | geekbr | nice |
| 21:49.23 | tr1gg3r | dumezil, maybe bandwidth of intermediate links is limitation |
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| 21:49.40 | GenneX | is there anyone here who can help me out and tell me how valgrind works |
| 21:49.44 | sjaakz0r | stew I'm getting the same error with make install....should I again change the .ko in .o ? |
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| 21:50.10 | iLinux | last time i get debian 31r0a install cd and the kernel(on cd) dont recognize my ide HD (intel ide raid ite82...) my question if is now avaliable a install cd with that drivers enabled on kernel |
| 21:50.10 | valent|n0 | how do I exit from this gui? .. all I have now is just grey and a x cursor in the middle |
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| 21:50.38 | JKL_ | does hosts.allow efect to tftp? |
| 21:50.38 | seb- | valent|n0: sounds like X...."killall X" |
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| 21:51.00 | POVaddct | valent|n0: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 21:51.00 | m1ke | or ctl-alt-backsapce to kill x |
| 21:51.08 | abrotman | JKL_: you already nmapped it |
| 21:51.13 | lord_rob | hi ! is it possible to change the default tcl/tk version in debian ? |
| 21:51.18 | seb- | m1ke: yea, that too |
| 21:51.20 | geekbr | iLinux, you try 2.6 kernel install ?? |
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| 21:51.36 | iLinux | geekbr uhm |
| 21:51.38 | JKL_ | abrotman: yes |
| 21:51.45 | geekbr | just put linux26 |
| 21:51.46 | valent|n0 | thx |
| 21:51.52 | JKL_ | abrotman: 69/udp open|filtered tftp |
| 21:51.55 | iLinux | geekbr where ? |
| 21:52.02 | lac | Hi gang, I have a weird one. I just ssh'd to my machine at work. |
| 21:52.03 | iLinux | on install cd boot ? |
| 21:52.14 | m1ke | lac: that is weird. |
| 21:52.14 | lac | I try to reply to mail there. |
| 21:52.15 | tr1gg3r | iLinux, is that hardware or software raid (note, if it is built onto ur motherboard it is software even u may think it is not) |
| 21:52.21 | lac | I get Can't send mail: sendmail process failed with error code 67 |
| 21:52.30 | geekbr | iLinux, when the cd is load, writh linux26 and enter |
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| 21:52.48 | geekbr | this will make the install whith 2.6 kernel iLinux |
| 21:53.05 | abrotman | !ur |
| 21:53.05 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 21:53.11 | iLinux | raid software... and last kernel suports this ... ive been using gentoo |
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| 21:53.33 | geekbr | iLinux, gentoo is a sux for me |
| 21:53.37 | abrotman | iLinux: did you try the 2.6 kernel ? |
| 21:53.41 | alys | Thanks geekbr and mcgreg - it's up and running - but all the applications are windoze. Never mind - I'll soon change that! ;-) |
| 21:53.42 | valent|n0 | I cannot start x server .. .. |
| 21:53.45 | geekbr | iLinux, try debian .. |
| 21:53.49 | iLinux | i will try today |
| 21:53.53 | geekbr | abrotman, im told this hehe |
| 21:53.59 | seb- | valent|n0: try gdm |
| 21:54.03 | iLinux | i had debian too but on pcc |
| 21:54.05 | sjaakz0r | stew are you still here? |
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| 21:54.12 | valent|n0 | I set it at 640x800 , smallest one possible |
| 21:54.12 | geekbr | se ya alys |
| 21:54.18 | abrotman | stew: run@!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:54.20 | valent|n0 | I am using gdm |
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| 21:54.28 | Zvpun | any games you would recommend for 3-4 players like jumpnbump or bombermaze? |
| 21:54.30 | JKL_ | i have trying to installa debian now 2 days. damn network boot doesn't work |
| 21:54.32 | abrotman | valent|n0: look for EE lines in the log |
| 21:54.32 | alys | geekbr: You did well - I know what to do in future. |
| 21:54.37 | iLinux | one more thing.... net cd install has pppoe- stuff ? |
| 21:54.45 | abrotman | Zvpun: ask tarzeau about bub-n-bros |
| 21:54.53 | POVaddct | Zvpun: iMaze |
| 21:54.57 | abrotman | iLinux: it should |
| 21:54.58 | Zvpun | tarzeau: bub-n-bros? |
| 21:55.07 | iLinux | k |
| 21:55.10 | valent|n0 | I see == ** II but no EE |
| 21:55.12 | geekbr | alys, tnks |
| 21:55.46 | valent|n0 | should I run the X configuraton program ? |
| 21:55.49 | JKL_ | 69/udp open|filtered tftp |
| 21:55.49 | JKL_ | , what that filtered means? |
| 21:55.58 | abrotman | Zvpun: /join #bub-n-brows |
| 21:55.59 | abrotman | err |
| 21:56.01 | abrotman | Zvpun: /join #bub-n-bros |
| 21:57.24 | sjaakz0r | stew...I did the kernel upgrade..but it still doesn't work |
| 21:57.25 | geekbr | JKL_, try to read the iptables documentation |
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| 21:57.38 | SWAT | To set up forwarding I need to do "echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 21:57.38 | SWAT | ". If the machine reboots does this setting need to be executed again? |
| 21:57.46 | JKL_ | geekbr: iptables should allow all |
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| 21:58.22 | phigan | geekbr: were brazilians first in space too? :) |
| 21:58.25 | geekbr | JKL_, iptables or netfilter is the same, this make the network filtering |
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| 21:58.35 | phigan | when I went to brazil, they told me Brazil was actually first in space. |
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| 21:58.51 | valent|n0 | how do i configure my display from the command line? |
| 21:59.03 | geekbr | phigan, im dont understand |
| 21:59.03 | phigan | Also that black beans and rice couldn't possibly be a Mexican dish because it is a Brazillian dish |
| 21:59.04 | starfishy | xorgconfig |
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| 21:59.32 | geekbr | what a mean " first in space too" ? phigan |
| 21:59.33 | phigan | geekbr: the first people in outerspace |
| 22:00.08 | phigan | geekbr: as in, off this planet |
| 22:00.08 | abrotman | starfishy: no |
| 22:00.09 | abrotman | do not use that |
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| 22:00.13 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 22:00.13 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:00.20 | geekbr | phigan, maybe the latin america |
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| 22:00.44 | geekbr | phigan, but the europeans make the same what americando did |
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| 22:00.52 | starfishy | abrotman: no what? |
| 22:01.00 | abrotman | use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 22:01.08 | geekbr | phigan, kill a lot of king culture, and indians people |
| 22:01.12 | starfishy | well, that too |
| 22:01.17 | abrotman | no .. not that too .. use that |
| 22:01.23 | iLinux | i get a netinstall iso and how i can put k3b to burn to and dvdrw ? he is saying that is not an cdrw :S |
| 22:01.27 | phigan | geekbr: how did killing come into the conversation? :) |
| 22:01.40 | Heroin | how do i remove a folder via terminal? |
| 22:01.45 | geekbr | phigan, irc is nice |
| 22:01.46 | geekbr | haha |
| 22:01.51 | karsten | Heroin: rmdir |
| 22:01.54 | Zvpun | Heroin: rmdir folder |
| 22:01.59 | sjaakz0r | stew I got it to work |
| 22:02.02 | mcgreg | or rm -r |
| 22:02.03 | karsten | Heroin: ... it's got to be empty. And it's called a directory. |
| 22:02.03 | POVaddct | Heroin: rmdir if it is empty |
| 22:02.04 | geekbr | phigan, try to travel in brasil |
| 22:02.04 | Zvpun | Heroin: or "rm -r folder" |
| 22:02.10 | Heroin | rmdir *path* ? |
| 22:02.15 | karsten | !tell Heroin about folder |
| 22:02.16 | geekbr | phigan, is a beautiful place to travel |
| 22:02.19 | geekbr | not to live |
| 22:02.20 | geekbr | haha |
| 22:02.31 | phigan | geekbr: I said I have been to brazil |
| 22:02.39 | geekbr | ho yeap ?? |
| 22:02.45 | phigan | geekbr: and everyone told me that brazillians were the first people in space |
| 22:02.50 | geekbr | phigan, where you stay ? |
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| 22:02.55 | phigan | geekbr: sao paolo |
| 22:02.59 | phigan | geekbr: paulo |
| 22:03.05 | geekbr | phigan, im live here |
| 22:03.05 | iLinux | brb |
| 22:03.12 | geekbr | phigan, is a kaos .. |
| 22:03.16 | phigan | yup |
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| 22:03.26 | phigan | i went to merisias, i think |
| 22:03.30 | iLinux | aolh irmaos portugal here ... lol |
| 22:03.31 | phigan | and some other beaches |
| 22:03.36 | keyhack | Is it really difficult to get bootsplash working with Debian? |
| 22:03.44 | geekbr | phigan, like a lot of big cityes around the word |
| 22:03.54 | abrotman | well .. is there anything good about bootsplash? |
| 22:04.25 | m1ke | its pretty |
| 22:04.27 | m1ke | ? |
| 22:04.29 | geekbr | abrotman, kdelook |
| 22:04.41 | bucky | keyhack: bootsplash.org |
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| 22:04.57 | abrotman | who cares about pretty? |
| 22:04.58 | keyhack | bucky: Yeah, but my kernel is too new |
| 22:05.10 | bucky | i don't think so |
| 22:05.13 | starfishy | abrotman: it hides the scary boot messages from lusers |
| 22:05.24 | geekbr | phigan, did you like here ? |
| 22:05.28 | abrotman | you mean the informational boot messages? |
| 22:05.34 | starfishy | btw, bootsplash only works up to 2.6.13 |
| 22:05.51 | phigan | geekbr: its not bad. but yeah, I wouldn't want to live there. |
| 22:05.55 | abrotman | stop spending so much time trying to make it look like a candy store .. just use the damn thing |
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| 22:06.07 | keyhack | bucky: I tried the bootsplash 3.1.3 for 2.6.0-test9, but I'm running 2.6.12 |
| 22:06.12 | geekbr | phigan, yeapp me too .. |
| 22:06.20 | geekbr | phigan, sorry, but im hate usa |
| 22:06.23 | keyhack | and I got an error when trying to apply the patch |
| 22:06.25 | bucky | keyhack: http://www.bootsplash.org/user.html |
| 22:06.31 | phigan | geekbr: I like Arizona. |
| 22:06.32 | bucky | userspace |
| 22:06.43 | sjaakz0r | erm I got an installer telling me to go to modules.d but I don't have that dir...what to do? |
| 22:06.44 | keyhack | I dont have to do the kernel patch? |
| 22:06.57 | bucky | correct |
| 22:07.02 | keyhack | bucky: Why's that? |
| 22:07.05 | geekbr | phigan, im love paris, and argentina |
| 22:07.11 | bucky | keyhack: did you read the link ? |
| 22:07.26 | geekbr | phigan, chile is a nice country too |
| 22:07.34 | starfishy | abrotman: informational boot messages is what we call them, lusers often are scared of them |
| 22:07.39 | keyhack | bucky: Says when I have a kernel with bootsplash capability |
| 22:07.48 | starfishy | so for your gramma it may be better to hide them |
| 22:07.51 | abrotman | starfishy: so .. ignore them |
| 22:07.58 | phigan | <nonsenso:#!sXe> happy friday. the 13th. |
| 22:07.58 | starfishy | ignore whom? |
| 22:07.59 | bucky | keyhack: is your kernel too new to have that capability? |
| 22:08.01 | starfishy | the lusers? |
| 22:08.01 | phigan | oops |
| 22:08.09 | abrotman | close your eyes and the messges will go away |
| 22:08.13 | keyhack | bucky: I didn't know if 2.6.12-1 came with it |
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| 22:08.24 | starfishy | read my sentences again |
| 22:08.26 | phigan | time to figure out why neither acx100/110 module installs nor the doc module |
| 22:08.30 | tr1gg3r | abrotman, but bootsplash in verbose mode rox |
| 22:08.34 | phigan | bye :D |
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| 22:08.48 | starfishy | i said they are sometimes useful to hide the 'scary messages' when installing Linux for a luser |
| 22:08.51 | dumezil | how fast can /dev/random spit out data? say i wanted to make a 512mb file of randomness... dd if=/dev/random of=testfile bs=1M count=512... how long should that take? |
| 22:09.15 | starfishy | and i still prefer a linux pc without boot messages for said luser to him/her installing windoze and me being stuck with tech support |
| 22:09.22 | starfishy | doing tech support |
| 22:09.38 | Bucciarati | dumezil: you need a lot of entropy for 512MB of random output |
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| 22:10.06 | POVaddct | dumezil: very long. /dev/random stops if the entropy pool goes too low and waits for events like harddisk irq or network card irq |
| 22:10.06 | estevao | hi all |
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| 22:10.09 | abrotman | bootsplash is for weenies :) |
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| 22:10.10 | estevao | ive installed debian sarge... |
| 22:10.11 | POVaddct | dumezil: better use /dev/urandom |
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| 22:10.19 | estevao | and installed iptables packages... |
| 22:10.25 | dumezil | Bucciarati hmm true... yeah i tried and it spun its wheels for 90 seconds and came up with a 26259 byte file... |
| 22:10.31 | estevao | .but I cant find the file /etc/init.d/iptalbes |
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| 22:10.35 | estevao | some idea? |
| 22:10.47 | estevao | /etc/init.d/iptables* |
| 22:10.49 | abrotman | read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 22:10.54 | dtech | hello everyone I am trying to figure out how to set up snmpd and more specifically i am trying to get trap signals from a linksys router.. could anyone point me to a howto for these things possibly? |
| 22:10.58 | estevao | abrotman, thanks |
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| 22:11.01 | keyhack | bucky: Whatever, I'll play with it later, I cannot even run "make" without seeing all these errors and warnings |
| 22:11.26 | tr1gg3r | abrotman, i would say that about a boring black screen with white txt ;) |
| 22:11.31 | keyhack | I don't see why theres not a deb for it if the Debian kernel has support for it |
| 22:11.39 | abrotman | tr1gg3r: because .. it's useful messages? |
| 22:11.47 | abrotman | how are useful messages for weenies? |
| 22:11.49 | dutch_ | Hey guys - how should I update my java? Installed from the site, installed from contrib non-free, googled, followed mans and readmes but azureus won't install because of it. |
| 22:11.53 | starfishy | abrotman: face it, about 93.7% of users are weenies |
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| 22:12.23 | stew | dutch_: what version of java did you install? did you isntall it using make-jpkg? |
| 22:12.24 | starfishy | or was that 97.3? |
| 22:12.29 | tr1gg3r | abrotman, u can get the same with bootsplash in verbose mode, just with the txt printed on a background image no msgs missing |
| 22:12.36 | abrotman | !tell tr1gg3r about u |
| 22:12.52 | abrotman | tr1gg3r: it's fucking retarded to spend that much time/effort to hide that stuff .. |
| 22:13.03 | dino4k | hello. i try to play a dvd on my laptop but didn't success yet. I know about libdvdcss and have installed it. After trying to play the dvd with mplayer my dmesg flooded by I/O Errors. But i think the device should be ok |
| 22:13.04 | valent|n0 | if you're in command and want to open a log file, how can you do it? |
| 22:13.22 | starfishy | i also like using bootsplash when going to customer sites |
| 22:13.32 | Heroin | whats a simple way i can browse mynetwork? i have KDE running |
| 22:13.36 | stew | valent|n0: apt-get install less ; and less /var/log/logfile |
| 22:13.41 | starfishy | because it will get a conversation going and show linux in a favorable light to eyecandycentric users |
| 22:13.43 | tr1gg3r | abrotman, u arent listening/reading verbose mode hides nothing, plz read up on it before u call names to people who use something u obviously know nothing about |
| 22:13.46 | abrotman | !tell tr1gg3r about u |
| 22:14.00 | stew | valent|n0: if you want to watch a log file, tail -f /path/to/logfile |
| 22:14.01 | abrotman | tr1gg3r: i understand what you're saying .. it's still for morons |
| 22:14.09 | tr1gg3r | u r a jackass |
| 22:14.12 | stew | ahh, just drop it already |
| 22:14.20 | abrotman | as would be evidenced by your constant use of one letter words |
| 22:14.26 | KerPlunk | I'm bored...what's a cool game I can apt-get install?(I have X) |
| 22:14.32 | dumezil | theoretically (sp?) a file created with /dev/zero should compress a lot more than a file with /dev/urandom? |
| 22:14.47 | stew | KerPlunk: angband |
| 22:14.48 | abrotman | enigma |
| 22:14.51 | dino4k | KerPlunk: everyone will tell you something else ;) |
| 22:14.52 | KerPlunk | thanks stew |
| 22:15.02 | tr1gg3r | no that is evidence of my laziness in typing, and nothing else |
| 22:15.06 | KerPlunk | dino4k: I knnow...I intending on going with the first person to respond. |
| 22:15.07 | POVaddct | dumezil: yes |
| 22:15.09 | dumezil | no theory... its true1 |
| 22:15.11 | abrotman | says you |
| 22:15.11 | dumezil | true! |
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| 22:15.54 | stew | i get 70fps in angband, even with opensource drivers |
| 22:15.56 | cee1 | hi |
| 22:15.59 | dino4k | KerPlunk: ok ;) |
| 22:16.00 | keyhack | bucky: Are you sure that the kernel that comes in the Debian package has the support for bootsplash? |
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| 22:16.32 | cee1 | how can I unloked mu var/lib/dpkg |
| 22:16.49 | valent|n0 | I got fatal server error: addscreen/screeninit failed for driver 0 <-- how can I fix this |
| 22:16.51 | abrotman | last i knew .. none of the debian packaged kernels supported bootsplash |
| 22:16.54 | stew | cee1: kill the process that has it locked |
| 22:17.10 | b05 | HI. I'm Diego Dosansil, I'm adm in software livre. |
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| 22:17.15 | iLinux | :( |
| 22:17.18 | valent|n0 | I have integrated ATI Rage Pro AGP 2X |
| 22:17.19 | iLinux | no luck |
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| 22:17.54 | kurumin | wats driver ati 9200 for linux? |
| 22:18.03 | stew | kurumin: "ati" |
| 22:18.11 | POVaddct | radeon |
| 22:18.11 | kurumin | yes? |
| 22:18.17 | abrotman | i thought they banned kurumin |
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| 22:18.31 | iLinux | it only recognizes sata HD :S |
| 22:18.34 | kspath | solid state disk has come WAY down in price |
| 22:18.47 | kurumin | please don't? |
| 22:18.51 | Eno_ | I'm thinking of getting a laptop. Are there any tips for getting a laptop that will work with Debian? |
| 22:19.10 | stew | Eno_: thinkpad |
| 22:19.14 | POVaddct | Eno_: ibm thinkpads are nice |
| 22:19.14 | dino4k | Eno_: take a look on the debian-laptop ml archiv ;) |
| 22:19.17 | Eno_ | I see |
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| 22:19.29 | jjazz | Eno_: thinkpad all the way |
| 22:19.30 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 22:19.30 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 22:19.32 | POVaddct | Eno_: and well documented in thinkwiki |
| 22:19.34 | SexyKen | Hey guys how can one add quotas to a user? |
| 22:19.35 | dino4k | btw. i like thinkapds, too :) |
| 22:19.39 | Eno_ | I guess thinkpad is the way to go. :) |
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| 22:21.12 | valent|n0 | how do I exit from less? |
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| 22:21.20 | POVaddct | valent|n0: q |
| 22:21.25 | KerPlunk | Is that "NetworkManager" thing for gnome in debian... or no? apt-cache search network manager doesn't show anything. |
| 22:21.31 | Fox_1_ | does anyone know is AMD Athlon 900 support APIC???? |
| 22:21.32 | eegore | is there a net install cd for debian? |
| 22:21.36 | eegore | erch |
| 22:21.40 | eegore | etch |
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| 22:21.47 | KerPlunk | !tell eegore about d-i |
| 22:22.11 | iLinux | where i can find a debian install cd with "Controller Ite8212f" enabled in kernel ?? |
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| 22:22.18 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 22:22.32 | keyhack | What packages should I get besides "gcc" and "make" when I want to do some compiling? I'm getting a crapload of errors when I'm running "make menuconfig" to set up my kernel |
| 22:22.49 | stew | keyhack: build-essential, libncurses5-dev |
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| 22:22.58 | KerPlunk | keyhack: kernel-package |
| 22:22.59 | dtech | keyhack try apt-get build-dep gcc |
| 22:23.00 | SexyKen | No one knows how to add a quota to a user? |
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| 22:23.01 | Heroin | how do i check if i have samba installed? |
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| 22:23.16 | eegore | that is the ticket |
| 22:23.17 | iLinux | any 1 can help me ? |
| 22:23.20 | KerPlunk | Heroin: dpkg -al|grep -i samba |
| 22:23.20 | stew | dtech: he's not trying to build gcc |
| 22:23.30 | dtech | Sexyken you have to add quotas to the partition, then in the root of the partition you will have a quota config file for that |
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| 22:23.37 | eegore | dunke |
| 22:23.40 | iLinux | i want to run off from gentoo to debian |
| 22:23.48 | stew | iLinux: do you know what the CONFIG_ option for the kernel is? |
| 22:23.56 | KerPlunk | !tell iLinux about anyone |
| 22:23.58 | eegore | don't blame you |
| 22:24.25 | iLinux | stew i know that exist on last kernels |
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| 22:24.33 | eegore | what kernel is etch using? .13? |
| 22:24.34 | dtech | stew right he is looking for all of the packages he needs to compile something.. building-deps on gcc *should* get him build-essential etc |
| 22:24.36 | SexyKen | dtech: How do I check to see if the partition supports quotas? |
| 22:24.49 | stew | dtech: and a lot more that he doesn't need |
| 22:24.56 | iLinux | using make menu config then using / to serch |
| 22:25.00 | dtech | Sexyken i haven't messed around with them too much, what i just told you is about the extent of my quota knowledge as of now |
| 22:25.05 | stew | dtech: and it wouldnt' get libncurses5-dev |
| 22:25.17 | SexyKen | Anyone else know anything about quotas? |
| 22:25.29 | stew | !config-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:25.29 | dpkg | config-2.6.8-2-386 is probably http://vireo.org/~stew/config-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:25.39 | stew | iLinux: ^^^ that is the config of the installer's 2.6 kernel |
| 22:25.44 | necron | hi. i use kde 3.4 in debian sarge and did a little mistake ... now i have kdelibs4c2a ... this doesnt seem to work with my kde (this kdelibs is from unstable and my kde is from testing) ... now i always get some errors. is there a chance to get back to a clean testing-kde? |
| 22:25.58 | valent|n0 | which mouse port should I use. if I have USB mouse? |
| 22:26.15 | stew | iLinux: if you need newer than that /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.12 or /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
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| 22:26.28 | Heroin | how do i start samba? |
| 22:26.31 | nevyn | necron: forward only you can go.. backwards going is the dark path. |
| 22:26.55 | stew | valent|n0: /dev/input/mice |
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| 22:27.16 | stew | Heroin: /etc/init.d/samba start |
| 22:27.18 | abrotman | paulswm: run like hell! |
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| 22:27.39 | abrotman | !tell eduuuuuuuu about knoppix |
| 22:28.04 | necron | nevyn: but i dont want to have unstable :) i dont trust unstable :) |
| 22:28.05 | paulswm | abrotman: Why? <looks around nervously> |
| 22:28.23 | abrotman | paulswm: i just had to go look for the IQ level .. in the basement |
| 22:28.30 | necron | nevyn: you dont see a chance to get into the console and uninstall those kdelibs and reinstall the old ones? |
| 22:28.44 | paulswm | abrotman: Well what do you expect, the weekend has begun |
| 22:29.08 | dtech | I guess you can stil be a genius and get tripped up |
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| 22:30.04 | Heroin | how can i browse my network? |
| 22:30.24 | dtech | heroin.. browse a windows network? |
| 22:30.37 | stew | Heroin: apt-cache search samba browser |
| 22:30.37 | Heroin | yush |
| 22:30.52 | Eno_ | konqueror works great if you run KDE. |
| 22:30.58 | kspath | When you have learned to snatch the error code from the trap frame, it will be time for you to leave. |
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| 22:31.02 | iLinux | stew i go to linux see what config is brb |
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| 22:31.15 | Eno_ | konqueror + lisa |
| 22:31.24 | kspath | sitting in a tree? |
| 22:31.28 | Eno_ | :) |
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| 22:32.59 | Heroin | uh |
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| 22:33.05 | Heroin | well i install samba.. |
| 22:33.29 | Heroin | o i think i get it :P |
| 22:33.31 | Eno_ | I don't think you need samba just to browse |
| 22:33.33 | Heroin | i need to install a browser |
| 22:33.41 | Heroin | i dont? |
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| 22:33.51 | Heroin | i have konqeur |
| 22:33.54 | Eno_ | Not... the samba server.. |
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| 22:34.07 | Matt-H | Heroin: if you just want to browse you can use Konqueror and browse using smb:/ |
| 22:34.07 | dtech | I believe Eno_ is correct |
| 22:34.18 | Heroin | sorry iam noob :) |
| 22:34.24 | Heroin | just started lin this after noon |
| 22:34.27 | Aid | what is the program name/command for the soruces.list file |
| 22:34.29 | Heroin | had the hardest time :P |
| 22:34.33 | Aid | what is the program name/command for the soruces.list file the editor |
| 22:34.40 | stew | Aid: apt-setup |
| 22:34.41 | Eno_ | If you don't use konqueror, there are other ways... you can mount samba shares on your filesystem, I think |
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| 22:35.03 | iLinux | stew CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IT821X |
| 22:35.07 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.12 | urano2k3 | source.list is access by vi |
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| 22:35.18 | iLinux | can you gime the link of kernel config plz |
| 22:35.19 | Matt-H | Eno_: with the smbfs package yep :-) |
| 22:35.34 | Heroin | kspatch thats right iam just that |
| 22:35.42 | paulswm | abrotman: I'm leaving the basement, have fun |
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| 22:35.48 | sbk | folks -- is there an option (maybe I'm missing it) during the partitioning phase of the debian installer, where I can ask it to do a badblocks check at the same time? |
| 22:35.50 | Aid | there was this one program i can't remember the name but you could mount your hd, change from stable to unstable, manager packages etc |
| 22:36.05 | Heroin | on konqeur i cant seem to open the netwerk... \\mshome |
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| 22:36.15 | abrotman | network |
| 22:36.22 | abrotman | konqueror |
| 22:36.24 | Daveman | sup abrotman? |
| 22:36.27 | Daveman | eww :P |
| 22:36.32 | Heroin | sorry abrotman :s |
| 22:36.38 | abrotman | that ratio is certainly down |
| 22:36.45 | Aid | any idea guys? |
| 22:36.49 | stew | iLinux: you need 2.6.14 /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 22:37.08 | iLinux | thks |
| 22:37.14 | iLinux | sarge is secure ? |
| 22:37.21 | stew | Aid: synaptic |
| 22:37.31 | stew | iLinux: yes |
| 22:37.37 | urano2k3 | yes |
| 22:37.46 | iLinux | =) |
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| 22:38.18 | sjaakz0r | can anyone help me...I got a tutorial telling me to edit something in modules.d .....but I don't have that directory |
| 22:38.19 | urano2k3 | i use iptable/netfilter |
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| 22:38.38 | iLinux | thks |
| 22:38.55 | stew | sjaakz0r: what is it telling you to do? add module parameters? |
| 22:39.17 | sjaakz0r | stew you're back :P the make install worked after I rebooted |
| 22:39.30 | EleckttrusS | http://www.velug.org.ve/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/l-velug-bol |
| 22:39.39 | sjaakz0r | but then it tells me to go to modules.d http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_PVR_500_Setup#Getting_and_Installing_IVTV step 4 |
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| 22:40.06 | Daveman | bleh |
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| 22:40.31 | sonyman | Can someone help me figure out why audio and video are out of sync when I watch videos in firefox, yet work fine when opened in mplayer? Debian Etch |
| 22:41.17 | odb | hi, is there some kind of gui based tool for mounting images ? i know it might sounds strange for linux users hehe |
| 22:41.24 | urano2k3 | userinfo -help |
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| 22:41.49 | Eno_ | odb: isos? |
| 22:41.50 | iLinux | odb kiso |
| 22:42.00 | odb | Eno_: yes |
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| 22:42.20 | jair | hello guys |
| 22:42.31 | stew | sjaakz0r: do you have an /etc/modprobe.d? if so, create it there |
| 22:42.56 | jair | I have a live cd in a machine with a hard drive almost dead, I want to copy all the information i can see using rsync |
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| 22:43.02 | abrotman | roundbout: #knoppix |
| 22:43.06 | jair | where could I get a good example of rsync |
| 22:43.08 | jair | ?? |
| 22:43.11 | abrotman | man rsync ? |
| 22:43.16 | KerPlunk | !tell jair about rsync |
| 22:43.45 | SexyKen | Is there anyway to add an account using "adduser" but also including the userpasswd? |
| 22:44.06 | kspath | yes? |
| 22:44.09 | jair | abrotman, correct but, hmm I have a pc1 (livecd) running ssh and where all the files are, mounted in /dev/home/user1 |
| 22:44.22 | abrotman | i'm still going home .. you can't stop me! |
| 22:44.35 | odb | iLinux: thx |
| 22:44.41 | stew | abrotman: happy friday |
| 22:44.45 | jair | kerneld, thank you for the info |
| 22:44.47 | SexyKen | Anyone? |
| 22:44.48 | abrotman | stew: yay! |
| 22:44.56 | main | need some help with debootstrap to amd64 |
| 22:44.58 | jair | haha ok |
| 22:44.59 | jair | bye |
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| 22:45.10 | jair | guys this is the think I am so so new in rsync |
| 22:45.11 | main | base-config is installed but no base-config script |
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| 22:45.23 | jair | that i will need a very dummie tutorial or book |
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| 22:46.00 | kspath | jair: any mention of rsh in any rsync howto replace with ssh |
| 22:46.04 | SexyKen | Is there anyway to add an account using "adduser" but also including the userpasswd? |
| 22:46.09 | jair | I need to copy some files connection remotely in the same network 192.168.0.100 -> to a computer 192.168.0.101 |
| 22:46.24 | sjaakz0r | yeah I got that stew |
| 22:46.25 | jair | kspath, hmm do not know about it |
| 22:46.34 | jair | I know that rsync is very powerfull |
| 22:46.46 | kspath | jair: ok read the howtos |
| 22:47.09 | main | jade: if you copy the files the first time you could use ssh to do that |
| 22:47.10 | SexyKen | Fucker. |
| 22:47.11 | kspath | jair: after you read them you will at least know enough to be helped more effectively at minimum |
| 22:47.24 | jair | in the computer 192.168.0.100 I have the hda1 mounted but I want to copy all from it into a directory in the computer 192.168.0.101 |
| 22:47.24 | jjazz | jair: there's a bunch of examples in the man page. It's really a very simple syntax. |
| 22:47.26 | main | jair: if you copy the files the first time you could use ssh to do that |
| 22:47.49 | KerPlunk | !tell jair about repeat |
| 22:47.57 | KerPlunk | !tell jair about rsync |
| 22:47.57 | jair | ok |
| 22:48.03 | stew | SexyKen: you could replace the passwd in /etc/shadow with the results of "mkpasswd --hash=md5 passwd", but that is a sort of scary thing to do |
| 22:48.04 | jair | I will not repeat anymore |
| 22:48.06 | jair | it is ok |
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| 22:48.12 | jair | I will try to follow the man page |
| 22:48.13 | jair | ok |
| 22:48.16 | jair | thank you guys |
| 22:48.21 | eegore | now to install |
| 22:48.29 | KerPlunk | !tell jair about enter |
| 22:48.40 | main | need some help with debootstrap to amd64 |
| 22:48.44 | main | base-config is installed but no base-config script |
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| 22:49.02 | kspath | man command man pages are your friend please took at them and howtos which are all over after that if you have questions assistance will be more effective |
| 22:49.11 | stew | main: which version of debian are you bootstrapping? |
| 22:49.23 | dutch_ | Stew... Java version jre1.5.0_06 |
| 22:49.31 | dutch_ | Did not run it via make-jpkg |
| 22:49.41 | kspath | else all people are doing here is having bots send you terse instructions which at best contain part of a man page or howto |
| 22:49.42 | dutch_ | I did download java-package |
| 22:49.51 | stew | dutch_: /msg dpkg java-packages ; or /msg dpkg equivs |
| 22:49.53 | dutch_ | and setup\install via aptget. |
| 22:49.53 | main | stew: from ubuntu64 do debian sid amd64 |
| 22:49.59 | dutch_ | Alright thanks. |
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| 22:50.28 | SexyKen | My god this is horrible! |
| 22:50.30 | SimonRaven | kspath: what happened to your periods? |
| 22:50.45 | jshoenberger | Quick! Send him a dpkg instruction! |
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| 22:50.46 | stew | main: they are in the process of getting rid of base-config, maybe they have done it already, you should check the bts for debootstrap, and if that turns up nothing, #debian-boot and the debian-boot mailing list |
| 22:50.46 | sjaakz0r | hmm |
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| 22:51.04 | sjaakz0r | stew there's no ivtv in modprobe.d |
| 22:51.05 | jshoenberger | SexyKen, I hate to say this, but I don't know how to add users with a password in a single line |
| 22:51.10 | sjaakz0r | what to do? |
| 22:51.10 | kspath | SimonRaven: I could not afford them Repo guys tooks them all this morning Can you spare some? |
| 22:51.22 | stew | sjaakz0r: create one |
| 22:51.22 | jshoenberger | I know how to disable passwords for them, if that'll work for you... |
| 22:51.23 | valent|n0 | I can't get debian to start.. I got x server failed to start, because of the graphic card is not configure correctly, where I thought I have pick the right one.. It always pop me into x configuration where I can move my mouse with the number keypad .. anyone can help me configuring this box? |
| 22:51.25 | main | stew: thx |
| 22:51.36 | fujifilm | Will openoffice 2.0 come to testing? |
| 22:51.47 | KerPlunk | fujifilm: It's been in testing for about a week. |
| 22:51.51 | SimonRaven | kspath: ................................................................................... have a bunch ;) |
| 22:52.02 | fujifilm | How come I dont have it? |
| 22:52.02 | kspath | SimonRaven: Thank you. |
| 22:52.03 | SexyKen | jshoenberger: I need to be able to add a password to a users account using PHP. |
| 22:52.16 | KerPlunk | fujifilm: Maybe because the mirror in your sources.list sucks. |
| 22:52.17 | stew | !info openoffice.org testing |
| 22:52.21 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.0-5 (etch), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 22:52.23 | fujifilm | doesnt OO automatically uprgrade |
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| 22:52.29 | jshoenberger | SexyKen, =/ I don't know |
| 22:52.31 | KerPlunk | fujifilm: Or maybe because you don't have openoffice.org installed? |
| 22:52.34 | SexyKen | I have the account creating fine without any problems...but I can't get it to do it with a pass. |
| 22:52.45 | SimonRaven | kspath: YW |
| 22:52.46 | stew | fujifilm: put the output of "apt-cache policy openoffice.org" into a pastebin |
| 22:52.47 | fujifilm | I have openoffice.org 1.something for sure |
| 22:52.51 | KerPlunk | fujifilm: no, you have to login as root and type "apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade" |
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| 22:53.08 | fujifilm | -y??? |
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| 22:54.20 | fujifilm | U have to do dist-upgrade with testing? |
| 22:54.21 | jshoenberger | SexyKen, yea, the adduser command doesn't accept passwords from the command line ( for security reasons ). If you're doing what I think you're doing, why don't you create it the normal way, and then change the password with a different command? |
| 22:54.26 | bent | what do i need to get spell check working in evolution?> |
| 22:54.43 | fujifilm | I thought testing was always dist upgraded? |
| 22:54.54 | stew | fujifilm: no, but you really should just have to run apt-get isntall openoffice.org |
| 22:55.04 | sjaakz0r | stew it wants me to run modules-update but I don't have it |
| 22:55.09 | stew | that is safer than running apt-get -y dist-upgrade for sure |
| 22:55.12 | fujifilm | I have it installed |
| 22:55.14 | stew | sjaakz0r: skip it |
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| 22:55.25 | stew | fujifilm: install means "install or upgrade" |
| 22:55.28 | KerPlunk | bent: apt-cache search aspell, then if you see your language supported... apt-get install it. |
| 22:55.32 | Trent | How do you unmount a drive?> |
| 22:55.35 | SexyKen | jshoenberger -- passwd is "interactive". I need a single command that will change the passwords. IE: passwd username newpassword |
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| 22:55.46 | primate_ | hey all |
| 22:55.46 | Trent | !unmount |
| 22:55.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, unmount is how non-linux people spell "umount" |
| 22:55.46 | stew | Trent: man umount |
| 22:55.53 | bent | thank you KerPlunk |
| 22:55.59 | dutch_ | Thanks stew. |
| 22:56.01 | dutch_ | You're the man. |
| 22:56.02 | fujifilm | ii openoffice.org 1.1.4-7 high-quality office productivity suite |
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| 22:56.21 | KerPlunk | Trent: umount /media/cdrom, or where-ever the device is. |
| 22:56.29 | jshoenberger | SexyKen, if you have root permissions that will work... |
| 22:56.43 | stew | fujifilm: put the output of "apt-cache policy openoffice.org" into a pastebin |
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| 22:56.45 | fujifilm | ii openoffice.org-bin 1.1.4-7.0.1 OpenOffice.org office suite binary files |
| 22:56.49 | sjaakz0r | ok stew...you think this is gonna work btw ? having had all the errors 8) |
| 22:57.04 | SexyKen | jshoenberger, I do but how will it work? |
| 22:57.07 | KerPlunk | fujifilm: nlogin as root and type "apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade" |
| 22:57.20 | primate_ | I have a debian box conncted to cable modem and internet. I also have win XP laptop for work that needs to share this connection. I installed dhcp, set one of my ethernet cards on linux to static ip 192.168.0.1. both machines can ping each other. But, I cant get to the internet from windows box. What am I missing? |
| 22:57.25 | sjaakz0r | ok stew now it wants me to rmmod ivtv...giving me an error: ERROR: Module ivtv does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 22:57.30 | stew | sjaakz0r: did you get firmware into /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware? and do you have hotplug installed? |
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| 22:57.41 | fujifilm | I thought testing was always dist upgraded???? |
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| 22:57.45 | stew | sjaakz0r: thats fine |
| 22:57.49 | MrBallZ | hi |
| 22:57.51 | stew | fujifilm: its not |
| 22:58.00 | stew | fujifilm: whatever that means, its not true |
| 22:58.04 | KerPlunk | What does that mean |
| 22:58.04 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 22:58.21 | primate_ | any help would be appreciated |
| 22:58.30 | SexyKen | jshoenberger -- how do you say? |
| 22:58.31 | fujifilm | I thought testing was always the latest and greatest stable stuff. |
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| 22:58.37 | MrBallZ | is anybody in here using: " InitNG " .... i just read this: http://life.firelace.com/2006/01/initng_next_generation_init_sy.html , and im a little bit tempted to try it ... any comments ? |
| 22:59.01 | sjaakz0r | hotplug is installed stew... |
| 22:59.02 | aTypical | fujifilm, I'm guessing it's more like packages that are being tested. |
| 22:59.05 | KerPlunk | !tell fujifilm about testing |
| 22:59.05 | jjazz | fujifilm: Wow. You've got it doubly wrong--- it's neither latest and greatest, nor is it stable. |
| 22:59.21 | tarzeau | takatumi: bub-n-bros |
| 22:59.26 | jshoenberger | SexyKen, ... you got me. |
| 22:59.28 | KerPlunk | fujifilm: Your system will not automatically change(dist-upgrade) by default...you must manually type commands to change your system. |
| 22:59.32 | sjaakz0r | I have a file firmware in /usr/lib/hotplug |
| 22:59.32 | fujifilm | so what does dist-upgrade od? |
| 22:59.36 | tarzeau | anyone join http://bub-n-bros.sf.net now? |
| 22:59.39 | sjaakz0r | but there's nothing in it stew |
| 22:59.41 | primate_ | I have a debian box conncted to cable modem and internet. I also have win XP laptop for work that needs to share this connection. I installed dhcp, set one of my ethernet cards on linux to static ip 192.168.0.1. both machines can ping each other. But, I cant get to the internet from windows box. What am I missing? |
| 22:59.42 | jshoenberger | I thought I knew, and then I went back and read through it... and I have absolutely no idea |
| 22:59.46 | KerPlunk | fujifilm: debian "testing" which is _not stable_ will not automatically update itself. |
| 22:59.55 | KerPlunk | fujifilm: login as root and type "apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade" |
| 22:59.57 | stew | sjaakz0r: you need to install firmware for your card somewhere that hotplug can find it |
| 23:00.03 | KerPlunk | !tell primate_ about repeat |
| 23:00.26 | sjaakz0r | yeah that's what I'm gonna do now stew that's the next step |
| 23:00.29 | KerPlunk | !tell fujifilm about dist-upgrade |
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| 23:00.46 | KerPlunk | !tell fujifilm about apt-get |
| 23:01.10 | karsten | !tell KerPlunk about aptitude |
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| 23:02.09 | fujifilm | Y not dist-upgrade? |
| 23:02.43 | stew | fujifilm: apt-get -y dist-upgrade could remove a lot of packages, and doesn't give you the change to say "no i don't want you to remove those pacakges" |
| 23:02.47 | karsten | fujifilm: You want to be sure you know where it's taking you. |
| 23:02.52 | primate_ | so I assume then no one has an answer |
| 23:02.54 | karsten | stew: It does. |
| 23:03.01 | karsten | stew: ... if you don't automatically accept. |
| 23:03.04 | stew | karsten: even with -y? |
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| 23:03.25 | primate_ | !tell primate_ about ipmasq |
| 23:03.39 | fujifilm | OK Monday, I do dist-upgrade |
| 23:03.55 | Jerimiah40 | How well will Debain run on a Pentium III with 64 MB of RAM? |
| 23:03.58 | stew | fujifilm: why won't you just show us the output of apt-cache policy openoffice.org? |
| 23:04.00 | Jerimiah40 | Debian* |
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| 23:04.16 | gverig | Anybody knows a link to a short "how to" on alternatives? I want to add an alternatives group for java 6.0 |
| 23:04.19 | KerPlunk | Jerimiah40: any linux distribution can run well on that hardware...it depends on what you install. |
| 23:04.21 | stew | Jerimiah40: it won't run a graphical environment well with only 64mb |
| 23:04.34 | fujifilm | openoffice.org: |
| 23:04.34 | fujifilm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.34 | fujifilm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.34 | fujifilm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.34 | fujifilm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:04.40 | Jerimiah40 | okay, ty |
| 23:04.45 | MrBallZ | .... any comments on InitNG |
| 23:04.46 | stew | i said pastebin to him at least 3 times |
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| 23:05.17 | KerPlunk | Jerimiah40: What do you want to accomplish? you want graphical user interfaces? |
| 23:05.24 | fujifilm | hello |
| 23:05.24 | stew | fujifilm: "apt-get install openoffice.org" will upgrade it to 2.0 |
| 23:05.43 | fujifilm | Should I do that instead of dist-upgrade? |
| 23:05.46 | Jerimiah40 | KerPlunk - I'd like a GUI, yeah |
| 23:05.46 | sjaakz0r | damn this is hard shit stew |
| 23:06.00 | KerPlunk | fujifilm: You probably have lots of older software on your system..I would do dist-upgrade. |
| 23:06.05 | KerPlunk | I bet stew would do that too. |
| 23:06.06 | Jerimiah40 | Basically what I'd like is something thats relatively similar to windows, but runs faster |
| 23:06.09 | sjaakz0r | I got an error Error loading firmware -3, ERror -3 initializing firmware Error -12 on initialisation |
| 23:06.10 | stew | fujifilm: you should read the apt howto, and figure out what that stuff does |
| 23:06.28 | fujifilm | I have been upgrading all the time |
| 23:06.38 | fujifilm | I didnt realize that I was not dist-upgrading |
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| 23:06.50 | stew | sjaakz0r: did you hide the kernel's tveeprom? |
| 23:06.50 | KerPlunk | Jerimiah40: You can install alternative window managers..that run very fast. Jerimiah40 I use a window manager called "fluxbox" which will run on very slow hardware pretty fast. |
| 23:07.13 | stew | fujifilm: do you know the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 23:07.24 | Jerimiah40 | KerPlunk: okay, could you explain to me what that does please? |
| 23:07.25 | fujifilm | I thought I did. |
| 23:07.28 | zinx | I use fvwm because it's the only one I didn't have to hack up the source package for to get the desired behavior |
| 23:07.42 | fujifilm | I know what it means when you have stable versions |
| 23:07.44 | KerPlunk | Jerimiah40: Before you decide to do anything...I recommend you read this... http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm |
| 23:07.51 | Jerimiah40 | okay, ty\ |
| 23:07.57 | fujifilm | I dont know what dist-upgrade means with testing? |
| 23:08.06 | sjaakz0r | no stew.. |
| 23:08.12 | sjaakz0r | what do you exactly mean with that? |
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| 23:08.36 | fujifilm | So I am basically running Sarge with testing in sources? |
| 23:08.43 | iLinux | no luck :S |
| 23:08.53 | stew | fujifilm: huh? what makes you say that? |
| 23:08.53 | iLinux | stew :( |
| 23:09.12 | fujifilm | If I had stable in sources, I am running Sarge? |
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| 23:09.29 | stew | sjaakz0r: when you ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ivtv ; you should see a bunch of .ko files, is tveeprom.ko one of them? |
| 23:09.31 | Aid` | how do i add packages on my hd to apt-get? |
| 23:09.53 | fujifilm | I thought if you had testing in sources the idea was automatic dist-upgrades. |
| 23:09.54 | stew | fujifilm: yes |
| 23:10.04 | stew | fujifilm: not at all, you should read the apt howto |
| 23:10.10 | stew | Aid`: what do you mean? |
| 23:10.36 | Aid` | im on dialup, i dled all the packages at a high speed computer i want to be able to set apt-get to look on my hd |
| 23:10.42 | stew | fujifilm: chenging stable to testing just changes what directory on the server it downloads pacakges from |
| 23:11.00 | sjaakz0r | stew: ls: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/ivtv: no such file or directory |
| 23:11.06 | KerPlunk | Aid`: type "apt-setup" as root. |
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| 23:11.17 | primate | !tell primate ipmasq |
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| 23:11.25 | primate | !tell primate ipmasq |
| 23:11.31 | primate | ipmasq |
| 23:11.32 | Aid` | i did that KerPlunk but it tells me it fails to load archive |
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| 23:11.41 | streuner | primate: /msg dpkg foo |
| 23:11.45 | fujifilm | WHen I upgraded another computer from WOody to Sarge, I had a lot of problems because of mix of Sarge and wOody, will i have that problem with dist-upgrade? |
| 23:11.54 | stew | Aid`: look at the apt-zip, apt-move pacakges |
| 23:12.05 | iLinux | stew only recognize sata hd :S any more suggestion ? |
| 23:12.23 | fujifilm | I learned it is bad idea to have stable in source.list |
| 23:12.38 | stew | sjaakz0r: does "/sbin/modprobe -l | grep ivtv" return any results? |
| 23:12.47 | fujifilm | Is it a bad idea to have testing in sources.list also? |
| 23:12.52 | boburt | brief, possibly stupid, question: can i use samba to access/mount a windows share while also using that same connection for internet sharing? |
| 23:12.52 | stew | fujifilm: its a bad idea to mix stable and non-stable |
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| 23:13.05 | stew | fujifilm: its ok if they are all testing or all stable, just don't mix the two |
| 23:13.14 | sjaakz0r | yes stew...2 results...ivtv.ko and avtv-fb.ko |
| 23:13.24 | fujifilm | stable is bad thing to have in source.list |
| 23:13.27 | stew | sjaakz0r: what directory is ivtv.ko in? |
| 23:13.33 | fujifilm | I know from experience |
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| 23:13.44 | stew | fujifilm: its not |
| 23:13.45 | fujifilm | Just put the name of the version instead of stable |
| 23:13.57 | fujifilm | It was |
| 23:14.01 | KerPlunk | fujifilm: I use testing and this is my sources.list file... http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/8yqZU846.html |
| 23:14.05 | fujifilm | For Woody |
| 23:14.07 | Fare | when I try to dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc -nc in glibc-2.3.5, I get debian/rules.d/tarball.mk:2: *** multiple target patterns. Stop. |
| 23:14.12 | stew | iLinux: what doesn't it recognize? |
| 23:14.16 | Fare | what am I doing wrong? |
| 23:14.34 | iLinux | stew, the ide HD |
| 23:14.38 | sjaakz0r | stew: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/extra/ |
| 23:14.41 | Aid` | so noone knows the command to call to get into a manager for archives |
| 23:14.48 | stew | Fare: check the bts, and/or ask #debian-mentors |
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| 23:15.04 | KerPlunk | fujifilm: And if you want the gpg keys so apt-get doesn't whine... /msg dpkg marillat key, /msg dpkg secure-testing-master apt-key, /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 23:15.09 | stew | sjaakz0r: ahh, ok is there a tveeprom.ko in that directory as well? |
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| 23:15.42 | sjaakz0r | yeah there is stew |
| 23:16.24 | fujifilm | Posting my sources list to flood |
| 23:17.13 | stew | sjaakz0r: paste the output of "ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/extra/" to a pastebin |
| 23:17.15 | jair | anyone here can help me to trnasfer some files using rsync and ssh??? |
| 23:17.38 | sjaakz0r | erm stew is there any way to easily paste it? |
| 23:17.49 | sjaakz0r | since I typed it on this machine before... |
| 23:17.52 | sjaakz0r | but this is a bit much |
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| 23:18.01 | KerPlunk | !tell jair about repeat |
| 23:18.13 | stew | jair: what have you tried? |
| 23:18.16 | Aid` | whats the command for the program that when you install debian it asks you where you want to get apt sources from |
| 23:18.30 | jair | kerneld, listen my friend if you do not want to help me just stop telling me those things. Thanks |
| 23:18.31 | stew | Aid`: apt-setup |
| 23:18.38 | jair | stew, thank you |
| 23:18.39 | stew | sjaakz0r: are you ircing from the machine you are doing this on? |
| 23:18.42 | sjaakz0r | no |
| 23:18.48 | Aid` | gar that isn't working |
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| 23:18.57 | stew | Aid`: why not? |
| 23:19.04 | jair | stew, I am explaining you have I have and what i had tried can i? |
| 23:19.13 | jair | stew, I am brand new with rsync |
| 23:19.16 | Aid` | stew, 'failed to access the debian archive' |
| 23:19.20 | Jerimiah40 | hmm, that was an interesting read |
| 23:19.26 | jair | stew, that is why i am so insecure of what I am doing |
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| 23:19.40 | sjaakz0r | irc with root...I know |
| 23:19.41 | sjaakz0r | :P |
| 23:19.43 | jair | stew, and the explanations on the man pages are not that great |
| 23:19.58 | Aid` | stew, it tries to goto the wrong directory |
| 23:20.01 | jair | stew, or I am just a simple troll |
| 23:20.03 | jair | hahaha |
| 23:20.14 | jair | stew, do you want me to explain you the scenario? |
| 23:20.16 | KerPlunk | !tell jair about enter |
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| 23:22.15 | sjaakz0r | stew I'm now ircing with sjaakz0r2 from my box, how can I paste it? |
| 23:22.38 | gverig | How do I add another "alternative" to alternatives set (preexisting)? Do I hand-edit a config file is /var/dpkg/alternatives? |
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| 23:23.12 | jair | stew, I am trying to copy all the directories on the pc1 ip= 192.168.0.100 path of directory= /dev/home/user1/* |
| 23:23.20 | stew | sjaakz0r: here's the deal, you have some modules provided by both ivtv and by the kernel, and you need to be using the ivtv versions not the kernel versions |
| 23:23.21 | jair | and I think that is what I am trying |
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| 23:23.40 | jair | stew, but then I do not know if I most use ssh |
| 23:23.40 | KerPlunk | !tell gverig about alternatives |
| 23:23.56 | sjaakz0r | ok stew...and what can I do about that? |
| 23:24.13 | sjaakz0r | I have no clue how I can copy that stuff to irc |
| 23:24.17 | sjaakz0r | or to pastebin |
| 23:24.19 | sjaakz0r | :( |
| 23:24.31 | stew | sjaakz0r: so you should run something like cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/extras ; ls | while read a ; do find .. -name $a | grep -v extras | xargs rename 's/.ko/ko.HIDE' ; done |
| 23:24.33 | gverig | KerPlunk: hmm, well I have been reading man for a while now... I will try again I guess :) |
| 23:24.42 | sjaakz0r | ok |
| 23:24.42 | iLinux | nay solutin 4my prob ? |
| 23:24.44 | sjaakz0r | I'll try 8) |
| 23:24.47 | iLinux | *any |
| 23:25.01 | stew | sjaakz0r: then run depmod -a ; then modprobe -r ivtv ; modprobe -r tveeprom ; then try loading ivtv again |
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| 23:25.33 | hans0lo | How do I set a SCSI driver I just compiled to load on startup, so FSTAB can mount it? |
| 23:25.39 | stew | jair: rsync will use ssh by default as long as "update-alternatives --list rsh" lists ssh as the rsh alternative |
| 23:26.29 | jair | stew, I will copy here what I am trying ok |
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| 23:26.58 | stew | sure |
| 23:27.02 | jair | stew, do you know if is a wiki page for rsync like "user permision" for linux??? |
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| 23:27.40 | kspath | decrement world clue clock by 5 minutes please |
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| 23:28.09 | Trent | How can I mount a drive so that it is accessable by 1 or all non-root users, I don't care, as long as it works for 1 non-root users. |
| 23:28.13 | Trent | user* |
| 23:28.18 | sjaakz0r | looks like it works stew |
| 23:28.18 | sjaakz0r | :P |
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| 23:28.37 | KerPlunk | Trent: what file system? ext3/ext2/fat32/ntfs? |
| 23:28.42 | Trent | vfat |
| 23:28.52 | stew | sjaakz0r: you're lucky i've done this like 5 bazillion times in the last few weeks :) |
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| 23:29.03 | KerPlunk | hans0lo: If you want to load a module.. ie modprobe modulename, on startup...you would add the module name to /etc/modules |
| 23:29.10 | molinero | Somebody program ftp in command line? |
| 23:29.26 | KerPlunk | !tell molinero about anyone |
| 23:29.31 | blondie | molinero que? |
| 23:29.31 | KerPlunk | !tell molinero about ask |
| 23:29.38 | iLinux | cia |
| 23:29.39 | sjaakz0r | hehe stew :P |
| 23:29.39 | stew | molinero: you are looking for a command like ftp program? |
| 23:29.42 | Lord_Athur | hi all |
| 23:29.52 | sjaakz0r | well...now I have to try if it works...so I prolly have to install MythTV now right? |
| 23:29.57 | Trent | KerPlunk: It's accessable by root, just can't by non-root, and even after chmodding 777. |
| 23:30.05 | iLinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.09 | KerPlunk | Trent: Did you see what my question was? |
| 23:30.10 | Aid` | i sitll can't figure out how to make apt-get access files on my hd |
| 23:30.23 | keyhack | I recompiled my kernel, and I added the new entry to grub.conf, but now I'm getting a kernel panic, saying specify a valid root="" parameter, but I do have one, exactly like the other entry (which still works). I also checked and my newer kernel does have ext3 built into it, which is what my root partition is. It also said: VFS: Cannot open root device "hdc1" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 23:30.24 | Trent | It is fat32. |
| 23:30.24 | Azar | sjaakz0r: what for is MythTV? |
| 23:30.41 | stew | sjaakz0r: that would not be the easiest way, mythtv is a project in itself |
| 23:30.41 | Trent | KerPlunk: It is fat. |
| 23:30.42 | KerPlunk | iLinux: no one cares...use whatever you want. |
| 23:30.46 | sjaakz0r | MythTV is an interface for tv tuning |
| 23:30.56 | sjaakz0r | stew but that is the purpose of the box :P |
| 23:30.58 | Azar | sjaakz0r: really? how cool |
| 23:31.01 | KerPlunk | !tell Trent about vfatrw |
| 23:31.10 | iLinux | i want debian KerPlunk |
| 23:31.17 | sjaakz0r | azar www.mythtv.org |
| 23:31.36 | Azar | thank you sjaakz0r , do I need to go up in Etch to run that? |
| 23:31.44 | Azar | Aid` what do you mean? |
| 23:31.47 | sjaakz0r | I have no clue |
| 23:31.54 | sjaakz0r | I'm just doing what stew says :p |
| 23:31.56 | keyhack | anyone have input into how I can fix this? Funny thing is I can still boot to my older kernel, so I know it _should_ work |
| 23:32.00 | stew | iLinux: what exactly went wrong with the 2.6.14 image? |
| 23:32.10 | Azar | it's ok sjaakz0r , I will check that out |
| 23:32.12 | Aid` | im on dialup, i dled all the packages at a high speed computer i want to be able to set apt-get to look on my hd |
| 23:32.37 | iLinux | stew the installer dont recognized ide hd |
| 23:32.38 | Azar | Aid` are you new at Debian? |
| 23:32.45 | Aid` | extremely |
| 23:32.58 | stew | Aid`: did you try apt-zip? |
| 23:32.59 | iLinux | and i iwant install on ide disk |
| 23:33.03 | KerPlunk | Aid`: Just go to where the packages are and dpkg -i *(note I have no idea what this might do) |
| 23:33.05 | keyhack | :-\ |
| 23:33.11 | stew | iLinux: do you know what chipset it uses? |
| 23:33.16 | jair | user1@pc1:~/home/user1$ rsync -azv user2@192.168.0.101:/data/docs |
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| 23:33.23 | jair | stew, user1@pc1:~/home/user1$ rsync -azv user2@192.168.0.101:/data/docs |
| 23:33.25 | iLinux | stew the mobo ? |
| 23:33.26 | sjaakz0r | stew is it hard to install then MythTV? |
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| 23:33.39 | stew | jair: you need a destination |
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| 23:33.57 | KerPlunk | sjaakz0r: installing mythtv is very easy...setting it up is another thing. |
| 23:33.59 | Azar | Aid` before you do anything read carefully this, is important: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=28&tid=130 |
| 23:34.02 | jair | stew, but I am totally lost, all I want to do is copy all the directories from the machine where I am running "rsync" to the destination. |
| 23:34.07 | stew | sjaakz0r: what KerPlunk said |
| 23:34.17 | clojster | I use SID and I have upgraded to "current" version... And now my GTK apps starts terribly slow... What's wrong?? |
| 23:34.20 | MrBallZ | any recomendations on Usenet News program ... |
| 23:34.24 | jair | stew, and the destination will be the remote machine with ip= 192.168.0.101 |
| 23:34.27 | KerPlunk | jair: If you can't figure out rsync why don't you use ftp or something? |
| 23:34.32 | sjaakz0r | does it require xfree86 kerplunk? |
| 23:34.33 | zinx | clojster: you're using sid |
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| 23:34.51 | jair | KerPlunk, then I will be a loser... |
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| 23:34.57 | KerPlunk | !tell clojster about unstable |
| 23:35.06 | stew | jair: then rsync -azv ./ user2@192.168.0.101:/data/docs/ ; whether or not the source and dest have a trailing / is important in rsync, check the manpage about that |
| 23:35.12 | jjazz | jair: I'd replace -avz with -avzP so you can see the progress of the files being transferred (just for peace of mind when transferring a lot of data) |
| 23:35.12 | clojster | anyone else on SID have the same problem as I am? |
| 23:35.21 | KerPlunk | jair at least you are persistent in trying to figure out rsync..with time you will get it. |
| 23:35.26 | jair | KerPlunk, don't you think that you have to work hard for what you want. |
| 23:35.35 | KerPlunk | !tell clojster about bts |
| 23:35.38 | zinx | clojster: why don't you check the BTS? |
| 23:35.46 | jair | KerPlunk, Thank you for understand me |
| 23:36.03 | stew | sjaakz0r: the machine running the frontend requires X |
| 23:36.09 | clojster | ok |
| 23:36.09 | jair | jjazz, that is great! thanks |
| 23:37.09 | sjaakz0r | so stew ...what's the easiest way to test the tv-card now |
| 23:37.09 | iLinux | stew old link http://ta.twi.tudelft.nl/DV/Staff/Lemmens/linux_p5gd1.html mobo asus p5gd1 |
| 23:37.11 | sjaakz0r | to see if it works? |
| 23:37.14 | clojster | but I don't know for what package name should I search for... |
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| 23:37.29 | KerPlunk | clojster: If you don't know how to check the bts or figure out what is wrong...not many people are all will be willing to help you since you are using _unstable_ clojster unstable is for developers. not end users. |
| 23:37.51 | Azar | Aid` as a correcture to that tutorial: Woody is now the "old-stable" , Sarge is the "stable", Etch is the "testing" and Sid is the "unstable" versions of Debian |
| 23:38.34 | clojster | Well, I simply want to be at bleeding edge |
| 23:38.51 | jjazz | clojster: You want experimental, then. |
| 23:38.54 | zinx | clojster: it's bleeding. |
| 23:38.59 | KerPlunk | clojster: Then become a developer. |
| 23:39.17 | clojster | I just wanted to know if I'm alone who is experiencing the same problem on SID or not... |
| 23:39.22 | zinx | clojster: Then check the BTs. |
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| 23:39.33 | zinx | clojster: you said you're having a problem with GTK. why not search for GTK. |
| 23:39.35 | KerPlunk | clojster: That is what the bts is for..I already told you. |
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| 23:39.42 | KerPlunk | clojster: /msg dpkg bts |
| 23:39.47 | clojster | zinx: I have searchet for GTK... |
| 23:39.58 | stew | iLinux: i dunno then, that page doesn't make it sound promising |
| 23:40.11 | clojster | KerPlunk: I know what's BTS... It's faster to ask here... |
| 23:40.18 | zinx | clojster: you should be running something other than unstable, though, quite honestly. you lack the initiative to fix or understand problems in unstable, which has them frequently. |
| 23:40.25 | jair | stew, that means, get all the directories on (pc1 user1) pc1=192.168.0.100 path of docs /home/user/docs to the remote machine-> pc2 ip=192.168.0.101 path dest.-> /data/docs (pc2= user2) |
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| 23:40.45 | clojster | zinx: hh, thanx for advice... |
| 23:40.47 | KerPlunk | clojster: no it isn't...if this is true for you you don't know how to search and type words into a browser...therefore you shouldn't be using unstable either. |
| 23:41.09 | jair | stew, I hope that this can explain what I am trying to do, and as you can see there I am running the rsync command from the pc1 and user1. |
| 23:41.12 | stew | sjaakz0r: xawtv would be easier, i think "cat /dev/video0 | mplayer -" should also work |
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| 23:41.23 | keyhack | I compiled a kernel by hand, and when booting to the new kernel, I get this error: VFS: Cannot open root device "hdc1" or unknown-block(0,0). I have ext3 compiled into the kernel (which is what my hdc1 is), and I have the root="/dev/hdc1" parameter in Grub, yet it won't boot to it, and I get this kernel panic. I can still boot into my other kernel, and view the grub configuration, and my new entry is almost identical to the older entry |
| 23:41.27 | clojster | KerPlunk: wtf?? I'm not such a looser... If you don't use SID so ignore my question... that's all |
| 23:41.34 | keyhack | so I'm not sure why it's refusing to boot to it now, as if it doesn't recognize the hard disk |
| 23:42.08 | stew | clojster: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:42.09 | KerPlunk | keyhack: You shouldn't need to edit grub manually...you should just need to type "update-grub" as root |
| 23:42.22 | iLinux | stew thats an old page... but why some distros recognize the HD and some install linux on it |
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| 23:42.47 | clojster | stew: I'm on 2.6.14.4 |
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| 23:43.04 | keyhack | KerPlunk: Yeah, I have to edit it manually, I'm doing some bootsplash stuff |
| 23:43.06 | stew | clojster: do you use an initrd? |
| 23:43.26 | clojster | stew: no... I use my own kernel... no initrd |
| 23:43.32 | keyhack | KerPlunk: I'm pretty sure it's not Grub that is at fault right now |
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| 23:43.51 | MrBallZ | any recomendations on Usenet News reader program ... |
| 23:43.57 | stew | jair: its just 'rsync -options source dest' so the command i gave copies everythin in the current directory (./) to the remote location |
| 23:44.30 | KerPlunk | MrBallZ: I use nn |
| 23:45.04 | jair | stew, I will try that then |
| 23:45.11 | sjaakz0r | so stew...should I do anything when I rebooted my pc...since I had to move it? |
| 23:45.17 | sjaakz0r | like restart something |
| 23:45.27 | MrBallZ | KerPlunk: is it good for downloading stuff also ? |
| 23:45.31 | keyhack | So what else can cause this type of error? |
| 23:45.37 | KerPlunk | MrBallZ: yes |
| 23:45.46 | jair | stew, it is a very specific with a lot of details about rsync like a wiki page or something? |
| 23:45.47 | stew | sjaakz0r: you should put ivtv into /etc/modules so that it is loaded automatically at boot |
| 23:45.50 | Azar | :) wow nice, we got DDP User's Manuals! |
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| 23:45.58 | stew | jair: dunno |
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| 23:46.14 | Aid` | i still can't install the packages |
| 23:46.17 | Aid` | :S |
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| 23:46.31 | Azar | Aid`, apt comes with Debian, you have it |
| 23:46.32 | sjaakz0r | ok I added ivtv to that |
| 23:46.40 | Aid` | Azar, I Mean off my hd |
| 23:46.54 | Azar | bah, Aid` I do not think so |
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| 23:47.01 | Aid` | what? |
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| 23:47.20 | sjaakz0r | stew how can I remove the old kernel from the bootloader? |
| 23:47.38 | Azar | stew, could one install apt on a media ? |
| 23:47.45 | jair | stew, thank you for your help, I will try right now |
| 23:47.58 | sjaakz0r | damn stew I get a lot of errors during startup :P |
| 23:48.18 | KerPlunk | Aid`: It would be quicker for you if you just used your dialup connect to apt-get install things.(this is faster then the time is takes you to use your hdd with the packages on it) |
| 23:48.27 | Azar | Aid` the way I know, apt is not an "attached program, is part of Debian system |
| 23:48.52 | PeTAR | I've got a problem with the installtion of Debian 3.1. He is getting a IP from my DHCP server, I can ping all the machines in my own network, but can't ping internet addresses. Do you guys have any sugestions? |
| 23:48.56 | Azar | KerPlunk, which is faster going for him/ http or ftp sources? |
| 23:49.01 | Aid` | KerPlunk, not if i setup my apt-get to run off my hd |
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| 23:49.06 | Aid` | i can install huge files quickly |
| 23:49.42 | KerPlunk | Aid`: That is my point...you've been here for hours now...you might as well let apt-get start downloading...and in a couple days when it's done...you still won't have figured it out. |
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| 23:50.01 | Aid` | its nothing i ant to dl right now |
| 23:50.01 | Azar | Aid` there are two ways: no , three: you install from CDs, you get DSL, or you carry your PC to someone who has DSL |
| 23:50.33 | Aid` | is there anyway to put cds on your hd and set source to them apt thinking it is a "cd rom" |
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| 23:51.02 | Azar | Aid`, no you cannot put CDs on your HD |
| 23:51.11 | starfishy | why not? |
| 23:51.15 | Gumby | does anyone know if there is an sftp command to grab a whole directory? |
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| 23:51.19 | Aid` | oh i see, i remember there being a windows program called like Virtual CD |
| 23:51.24 | starfishy | i have images on my harddisk that are loopback mounted |
| 23:51.25 | Azar | starfishy, I was thinking at the phisycal job |
| 23:51.32 | starfishy | oh |
| 23:51.36 | sjaakz0r | stew do you have time to walk me through some errors during startup? |
| 23:51.36 | starfishy | yes, that would be kinda hard |
| 23:51.38 | starfishy | :D |
| 23:51.53 | PeTAR | hmmm |
| 23:51.55 | Aid` | starfishy, how do i make an image mounted? |
| 23:52.00 | starfishy | although i have met people i wouldnt bet on them not trying |
| 23:52.22 | starfishy | mount -t iso9660 -o loop,ro myisofile.iso myisodirectory |
| 23:52.34 | Aid` | okay |
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| 23:53.08 | starfishy | well, you may want to replace myisofile.iso and myisodirectory with the actual file and directory info *eg* |
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| 23:53.24 | aTypical | Hello all. Can you apt-get GNOME 2.13? |
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| 23:54.13 | sjaakz0r | stew? do you have time to look at some other errors? |
| 23:55.32 | prock | I've run 'xhost +' (please don't tell me not to do this) but exporting my DISPLAY doesn't seem to work. I run 'nmap localhost' and the X ports are not listed... how can I troubleshot |
| 23:55.34 | jair | stew, (./) this that you sent me can be /data/ |
| 23:55.36 | jair | ? |
| 23:55.58 | KerPlunk | !wayttd aTypical |
| 23:55.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, aTypical? |
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| 23:56.11 | aTypical | KerPlunk, :-) |
| 23:56.20 | Azar | Aid`: are you new at linux as well? |
| 23:56.26 | KerPlunk | lol, when stew goes to pee people still keep talking to him and asking questions. |
| 23:56.30 | aTypical | KerPlunk, I just wanted to get the latest and greatest gnome without having to install it manually. |
| 23:56.37 | abrotman | prock: X doesn't listen on tcp by default if that's what you mean |
| 23:56.50 | KerPlunk | aTypical: What version of debian are you using? |
| 23:56.51 | iLinux | :S :( |
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| 23:57.13 | aTypical | KerPlunk, none yet. I'm hoping to install it as soon as I get home. |
| 23:57.30 | sjaakz0r | stew I get the error loading firmware again.. |
| 23:57.37 | sjaakz0r | prolly because I rebooted? |
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| 23:57.44 | KerPlunk | aTypical: then I recommend using "testing" to get _newer_ software(the latest and greatest gnome). |
| 23:57.56 | abrotman | testing doesn't have the newest gnome |
| 23:57.59 | abrotman | it's coming though |
| 23:58.05 | abrotman | well ... WIR anyways |
| 23:58.12 | aTypical | abrotman, do you know when it'll arrive? |
| 23:58.18 | abrotman | aTypical: WIR :) |
| 23:58.28 | aTypical | What's WIR? |
| 23:58.31 | abrotman | !wir |
| 23:58.31 | dpkg | i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 23:58.38 | abrotman | !why is gnome-panel not in testing |
| 23:58.38 | dpkg | gnome-panel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnome-panel |
| 23:58.38 | aTypical | :-) |
| 23:58.57 | abrotman | aTypical: oh .. it seems they haven't even got 2.12 fully in sid yet |
| 23:59.14 | abrotman | though gnome-applets is 2.12 |
| 23:59.16 | prock | abrotman: I'm running xorg... do you know which manpage etc I need to read to turn that on? |
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| 23:59.22 | jade | abrotman, did you type me a message? |
| 23:59.30 | aTypical | Is sid unstable? |
| 23:59.40 | abrotman | jade: when ? hours ago ? |
| 23:59.45 | jade | yeah ;-) |
| 23:59.50 | abrotman | aTypical: yes .. and sometimes very broken .. not recommended for new comers |
| 23:59.54 | starfishy | sid still has some package dependencies off |
| 23:59.55 | abrotman | jade: yeah .. i'm sure i did |
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