| 00:00.05 | daos | johhny_b: windows will ask for the driver when it can't find it on the local system or from the server it is installing it from |
| 00:00.07 | johhny_b | daos: hmm, it says that its trying to autoget the drivers for windows, but that its the wrong driver and asks if i want to get one myself |
| 00:00.23 | johhny_b | it finds it but it says its wrong |
| 00:00.24 | johhny_b | :) |
| 00:00.55 | daos | johhny_b: dunno sorry man |
| 00:00.57 | daos | :( |
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| 00:01.08 | johhny_b | well, who cares, its windows anyways :) |
| 00:01.22 | bandifao | windows is the best OS ever |
| 00:01.32 | Virtual_ | hah |
| 00:01.34 | KerPlunk | Virtual_: If you paid for a dedicated server(and it's new) you most likely have tech support waiting to help you...why don't you just call. |
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| 00:01.43 | daos | can anyone help me with my squid auth issue? |
| 00:01.50 | KerPlunk | !start an operating systems war |
| 00:01.58 | daos | bandifao: I hope you joking |
| 00:02.23 | Virtual_ | KerPlunk: i did and it is new but i do not think tech support can help me out on this + all issues that require tech support to enter my server costs 10$/ticket |
| 00:02.37 | bandifao | WMF plays a wonderful hole in the e-bussiness |
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| 00:02.50 | KerPlunk | Virtual_: Which company is that? servermatrix/theplanet? |
| 00:03.29 | Virtual_ | KerPlunk: tektonic and its actually just a VPS server, i have two other dedicated servers located elsewere and just wanted one at tektonic for testing mostly |
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| 00:04.03 | stew | KerPlunk: servermatrix/theplanet definately doesn't charge you per ticket, we have clients that have boxes there that have opened hundreds of tickets |
| 00:05.00 | KerPlunk | Virtual_: stew says to switch the servermatrix/theplanet |
| 00:05.35 | deadcat | is there a ~/.fonts.conf file? is it similar to the /etc/fonts/fonts.conf? can i just copy that to my ~ so if the system change anything i still get current fonts? |
| 00:06.09 | Virtual_ | KerPlunk: that is funny, i just wanted to know what could cause this that same password and user work from one location and don`t from another |
| 00:06.13 | stew | Virtual_: is it possible that one client is using ssh v1 and the other is using ssh v2? |
| 00:06.55 | stew | Virtual_: try ssh -v to see what version of the ssh protocal its using, and /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 00:08.00 | misleb | Hmm, I don't think I am going to get debootstrap running under FreeBSD. Is there any other way to install Sarge without using an installer? I'm not sure what to do with udebs :P |
| 00:08.10 | misleb | I have dpkg |
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| 00:09.06 | Virtual_ | stew: this is what i`m running on the VPS i have troubles : OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-5, OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005, this is what i`m running on the dedicated server i try from : OpenSSH_4.2p1 FreeBSD-20050903, OpenSSL 0.9.7e-p1 25 Oct 2004 and at home i use putty |
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| 00:10.34 | Virtual_ | stew: news, i just finished doing dist-upgrade on the VPS and now i can`t access from the dedicated server because i get this : Permission denied (publickey). |
| 00:10.45 | stew | Virtual_: try forcing putty to use version 2 |
| 00:11.23 | stew | Virtual_: so now you can't log into the box at all? |
| 00:11.52 | Virtual_ | stew: i tryed forcing putty right now and when i enter the username session dissapears |
| 00:12.37 | stew | Virtual_: just use putty from the command line, putty -2 -l user remotehost |
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| 00:14.16 | stew | Virtual_: and have you tried ssh instead of putty? |
| 00:14.26 | Virtual_ | stew: i`m on windows |
| 00:14.29 | stew | oh |
| 00:14.40 | rabies | Virtual_: suppose you could use the old openssh client |
| 00:15.31 | rabies | Virtual_: http://ftp.ssh.com/pub/ssh/ |
| 00:15.37 | rabies | well, the old official ssh client |
| 00:15.37 | Virtual_ | now i can`t even access the box, damn shit |
| 00:16.13 | Virtual_ | this is not normal, i`ve had quite few servers since now and never has this happened to me |
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| 00:16.51 | MyWay | hi |
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| 00:16.55 | rabies | hi |
| 00:17.04 | Virtual_ | i`m rebooting from the control panel now, but i don`t think that is going to do much good |
| 00:17.09 | MyWay | Where can i find captive-ntfs for debian? |
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| 00:17.35 | rabies | Myon: google it |
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| 00:17.54 | clars | Hi - I wonder how to update to php 5.1 on my debian_sarge |
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| 00:17.56 | anabain | what's the difference between "release" and "version"? |
| 00:18.11 | Azar | hmm a new book "Debian System" by Martin F. Krafft is out |
| 00:18.11 | rabies | anabain: what? |
| 00:18.15 | azeem | anabain: that depends on the context? |
| 00:18.19 | azeem | eh, s/?// |
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| 00:20.29 | anabain | the context is the apt-howto, and both words are being used. I think the first one refers to the version of the distribution, that is, stable, testing, etc., and the second to a package version. Am I right? |
| 00:20.36 | stew | Virtual_: you haven't changed anythong on the ssh server box since you were able to log in? then i'd say no, rebooting it won't make a difference |
| 00:20.40 | Unity | what command would i issue to open a new X server on display :1 with a login screen in it. just like the one that starts up on boot |
| 00:21.38 | stew | anabain: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 00:22.18 | stew | anabain: and http://debian.org/releases |
| 00:22.29 | houn | About to boot my first customer Debian kernel. Expect me back in 5 when it breaks! |
| 00:22.40 | Virtual_ | stew now i can`t log in from anywhere, god damn this, i should have just stick to my dedicated, all the servers i buyed in all my life i was able to login into them from home, why is this one different, not to say that debian was pretty messed up, for what do you offer a server with samba and x11 when its a VPS ? |
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| 00:23.07 | anabain | thank you very much, stew |
| 00:23.12 | stew | Virtual_: do you have another unix box you can test from? |
| 00:23.14 | Azar | Debian Linux Kernel Handbook is out! :D |
| 00:23.25 | stew | Virtual_: have you tried putty with ssh version 2 like i suggested? |
| 00:23.43 | stew | Virtual_: can you ssh from the dedicated box that used to be able to ssh to the debian box to any other box now? |
| 00:23.44 | MyWay | Wich IRC Client is more similar to mIRC for windows? |
| 00:23.52 | cem_ | hey i am trying to use a new monitor, but when the debian kernal loads it says "out of frequency" how do i configure so i can use my new monitor/.' |
| 00:23.54 | cem_ | ? |
| 00:23.59 | petemc | MyWay: xchat |
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| 00:24.11 | stew | cem_: try passing "vga=normal" to the kerenl |
| 00:24.16 | MyWay | ok petemc |
| 00:24.21 | MyWay | what about kvirc? |
| 00:24.24 | MyWay | isn't it more similar? |
| 00:24.27 | Virtual_ | stew: i do have another box, i will test in a moment and also i will test if i can ssh to another box from the dedicated box |
| 00:24.29 | petemc | MyWay: suck it and see |
| 00:24.34 | MyWay | :P |
| 00:24.37 | houn | ...I'm speechless. |
| 00:24.40 | houn | MY KERNEL WORKS! |
| 00:24.45 | houn | Whooo! |
| 00:24.47 | cem_ | stew, i the kernel loads about half way, i cant get into text linux |
| 00:25.22 | Azar | congrats, houn :) |
| 00:25.42 | stew | cem_: boot a livecd, mount your root partition, edit /etc/console-tools/config and comment out any SCREEN_FONT lines |
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| 00:26.13 | cem_ | stew, is a live cd just the debian install disk? |
| 00:26.13 | solemnwarning | ive just installed debian testing |
| 00:26.28 | solemnwarning | why wont the res go above 1024x768@60Hz??? |
| 00:26.30 | Virtual_ | stew: ssh-ing into another box from the dedicated server that used to work works, ssh-in from another box to VPS gives same result : Permission denied (publickey) |
| 00:26.31 | cem_ | well im on this computer, im just using my old monitor |
| 00:26.38 | MyWay | how do i install captive-ntfs? |
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| 00:27.04 | deadcat | is there a ~/.fonts.conf file? is it similar to the /etc/fonts/fonts.conf? can i just copy that to my ~ so if the system change anything i still get current fonts? |
| 00:27.10 | solemnwarning | anyone? |
| 00:27.13 | MyWay | i have 3 files, install root.tar.gz and uninstall, what i have to do? |
| 00:27.16 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to pre-allocate a file on FAT (say 4G) without copying from /dev/zero? |
| 00:27.16 | stew | cem_: that would work too |
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| 00:27.27 | solemnwarning | why wont testing go above 1024x768@60Hz? |
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| 00:27.38 | stew | Virtual_: are you trying to use ssh version 1 or version 2 |
| 00:27.40 | tmircea | hi.. pls help.. i have a amd duron 1100mhz / 324mb ram pc with a GForce 4 MX videocard but if I install Debian Woody on it the X server doesnt start under any circumstance no matter what I do(choose fbdev/vesa or lower resolution/colors/refresh etc) |
| 00:27.42 | Thanatermesis | OT: Any person knows where i can posible to found music GPL ? (or free distribution/usage) |
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| 00:27.53 | Azar | solemnwarning: because that is the default you should pick the fav resolution yourself |
| 00:27.53 | johnblade | hmm this is strange, when i do a df on a ext3 file system it says the usage is 100% but it's only 63gig out of 67 |
| 00:28.02 | solemnwarning | i already did |
| 00:28.10 | stew | Virtual_: can you just run "ssh -vvv user@vps" from the dedicated box and post the log to a pastebin? |
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| 00:28.18 | solemnwarning | in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i selected 1152x864@75Hz |
| 00:28.21 | stew | Virtual_: do you have a console on the vps? |
| 00:28.21 | johnblade | so i'm running a fsck on it now, but it's weird that it says for disk space |
| 00:28.24 | solemnwarning | so why wont x use it?? |
| 00:28.28 | Virtual_ | stew: yes, wait please... console? |
| 00:28.47 | Azar | solemnwarning: everytime you change the configuration you have to exit X then go back in to take effect |
| 00:28.54 | solemnwarning | i know -_- |
| 00:29.10 | solemnwarning | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.18 | stew | Virtual_: yes, console, like do you have a way of getting to a vt on the vps |
| 00:29.40 | Azar | solemnwarning: thre is another thing, you get a choice of "favorite" resolution and another choice for "additional" resolutions, what did you applied there? |
| 00:29.43 | Virtual_ | stew: i have a power panel which i can use, i have file manager and i can replace sshd_config, maybe that will help ? |
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| 00:29.49 | LiquiDark | I have a lot of mp3s that I want to string together into a single mp3. Any suggestions on how to do that? I tried soxmix'ing them all and piping the output to lame and sox'ing them all to raw files, catting them together, and using lame on the result, but all of that resulted in an mp3 of noise. |
| 00:29.50 | solemnwarning | huh? |
| 00:29.56 | solemnwarning | i only enabled 1152x864 |
| 00:30.02 | solemnwarning | i didnt enable anything else |
| 00:30.12 | stew | Virtual_: no, i'd only be interested in you running sshd in debug mode on another port |
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| 00:30.26 | MyWay | Who can help me making captive-ntfs working? |
| 00:30.29 | Azar | solemnwarning: in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, you get two stages: 1. pick your desired resolution 2. pick additional resolutions |
| 00:30.41 | solemnwarning | xfree86? |
| 00:30.43 | solemnwarning | in testing? |
| 00:30.45 | tmircea | hi.. pls help.. i have a amd duron 1100mhz / 324mb ram pc with a GForce 4 MX videocard but if I install Debian Woody on it the X server doesnt start under any circumstance no matter what I do(choose fbdev/vesa or lower resolution/colors/refresh etc) |
| 00:30.48 | tmircea | ? |
| 00:30.53 | Azar | solemnwarning: ah you run xorg? |
| 00:30.56 | solemnwarning | yes |
| 00:31.02 | vulture | LiquiDark: mpgtx perhaps? |
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| 00:31.08 | Azar | solemnwarning: then I cannot help, I have no idea about xorg |
| 00:31.11 | johnblade | anyone have had a filesystem that's show'd 100% disk usage and even when you delete data off it - still stays that way? |
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| 00:32.18 | Azar | tmircea, is better if you upgrade to Sarge, then update to a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 00:32.30 | Azar | tmircea only then you can get a better GeForce driver |
| 00:32.31 | Virtual_ | stew: hwere is a paste of my current sshd_config file on the vps: http://pastebin.com/510783 maybe i can find out whats the problem and replace it, here is a paste of ssh -vvv user@vps you asked: http://pastebin.com/510784 |
| 00:32.38 | tmircea | how do i make that upgrade from inside woody? |
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| 00:32.59 | tmircea | and it should be below 200mb im not on broadband |
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| 00:33.12 | lunitik | tmircea: change instances of woody to sarge in /etc/apt/sources.list ... else just stick 'stable' in there |
| 00:33.31 | Routed | I want to use PAM's limits.conf. What /etc/pam.d/* file do I need to put the "session required pam_limits.so" for a non-login process (like, say, apache)? |
| 00:33.33 | lunitik | tmircea: then simple apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ... voila |
| 00:33.38 | stew | Virtual_: did you install an ssh-key on the vps? |
| 00:33.41 | Azar | tmircea: first you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list so all sources end in / stable main non-free contrib . Then save the file and run: apt-get install aptitude then run: aptitude update && upgrade |
| 00:33.55 | stew | Virtual_: you would need to since you aren't allowing logging in using passwords |
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| 00:34.15 | Virtual_ | stew: no, i did not |
| 00:34.19 | stew | Virtual_: oh, according to that log you don't have any public keys to send to the remote server |
| 00:34.19 | solemnwarning | ... |
| 00:34.20 | tmircea | how many mb will the upgrade take? |
| 00:34.21 | Azar | tmircea: correction to last: run aptitude update then aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 00:34.27 | solemnwarning | the xorg.conf says 1152x864 |
| 00:34.36 | solemnwarning | but xorg is using 1280x1024 now |
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| 00:34.39 | Azar | tmircea on a fast DSL connection takes around 45min |
| 00:34.41 | solemnwarning | why is xorg so crap? |
| 00:34.52 | stew | Virtual_: you need to either allow password logins in sshd_config, or you need to create a ssh-key with ssh-keygen -tdsa, then put the public key in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 00:35.00 | tmircea | im on a cable modem connection of around 25kbytes/sec |
| 00:35.08 | tmircea | i dont want it to take a day |
| 00:35.09 | Azar | tmircea on a regular dialup might take 6 times as long |
| 00:35.11 | stew | Virtual_: and /root/.ssh needs to be chmod 700 and authorized_keys needs to be chmod 600 |
| 00:35.14 | tmircea | to make my xserver work |
| 00:35.21 | Virtual_ | stew: if i change PasswordAuthentication to yes, would that do the trick? |
| 00:35.29 | solemnwarning | anyone? |
| 00:35.36 | stew | Virtual_: yes, provided you can restart sshd |
| 00:35.45 | solemnwarning | how do i make xorg use the res thats in the damm config file? |
| 00:35.46 | LiquiDark | vulture: I'll try mpgtx, thanks |
| 00:35.52 | Azar | tmircea woody will not give you a 2.6.8 kernel, and your 2.4.18 kernel does not get the video drivers you need |
| 00:35.55 | Virtual_ | stew: i can from the virtuozzo power panel |
| 00:35.57 | Azar | tmircea: then no X |
| 00:36.01 | lunitik | solemnwarning: removing smaller will force |
| 00:36.07 | solemnwarning | i dont have any smaller |
| 00:36.15 | lunitik | solemnwarning: then X hates you |
| 00:36.15 | solemnwarning | the only ones there say 1152x864 |
| 00:36.23 | solemnwarning | but its using 1280x1024 |
| 00:36.30 | Virtual_ | stew: actually i can send a signal to it, if i send sigup would that do the trick ? |
| 00:36.32 | sumar | help |
| 00:36.33 | Azar | tmircea you could take your computer to a friend with a DSL connection for 2 hours to do that |
| 00:36.41 | tmircea | but I have a 2.6.15 source code cant I compile that on woody and run it ? eg. i can upgrade only binutils if needed |
| 00:36.44 | tmircea | and run my source kernel |
| 00:36.56 | Virtual_ | stew: or i can reboot the vps... |
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| 00:37.02 | tmircea | and then get drivers or new x |
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| 00:37.17 | Azar | tmircea if you can compile your own kernel without breaking dependencies.. then yes |
| 00:37.36 | tmircea | hmmm.. damn |
| 00:37.38 | pawdro | i still cant run this Medal of Honor |
| 00:37.39 | stew | Virtual_: sending a -HUP to sshd should make it reread its config |
| 00:37.49 | Azar | tmircea when you get a 2.6.x kernel come back and do /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
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| 00:38.08 | Pegger | what do people use to make netowrk maps? |
| 00:38.15 | solemnwarning | http://pastebin.com/510795 |
| 00:38.23 | solemnwarning | thats the screen stuff in xorg.conf |
| 00:38.36 | solemnwarning | how do i make it work, 60Hz is really hurting my eyes now |
| 00:38.46 | tmircea | ok tell me how large is a debian woody -> sarge upgrade .. 300mb? 500mb? for a base install of debian woody with no X |
| 00:39.17 | Virtual_ | stew: ok so now i can login from home, thank you alot |
| 00:39.21 | Azar | tmircea I have no idea .. please look in /etc/apt/sources.list and tell me if you see "stable" there |
| 00:39.23 | bleaked | if one just wants to add a simple cron job, i just put a command in a file in, say, /etc/cron.hourly? |
| 00:39.44 | pawdro | i still dont have default.cfg file |
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| 00:39.50 | tmircea | Azar: im on mandriva now, i just plan to re-install debian after so many failures with it to get x working and stuf.. |
| 00:39.52 | solemnwarning | how do i fix xorg??? |
| 00:40.03 | Azar | tmircea hmm |
| 00:40.15 | Azar | tmircea are you installing from a Woody CD? |
| 00:40.16 | sys6x | hi, anyone here ever installed/tried to awstats? |
| 00:40.18 | sys6x | on debian for sure |
| 00:40.54 | stew | sys6x: yes, but i don't recommend it as it has had a number of recent security problems |
| 00:40.59 | tmircea | Azar: im installing from the 7 woody cds I happily asked a friend to download from the internet hoping that a fairly new debian stable wich woody is should work ok on my old videocard |
| 00:41.01 | tmircea | but no |
| 00:41.09 | tmircea | my download was worthless |
| 00:41.28 | solemnwarning | im going to try installing xfree86 |
| 00:41.31 | tmircea | now i need to update from the internet thousands of mb |
| 00:41.34 | tmircea | to get xworking |
| 00:41.55 | Azar | tmircea can't you rent a DSL line from a coffenet for like 3 hours? you could install only the 1st CD then continue online it auto upgrades to Sarge |
| 00:42.03 | sys6x | stew : yeah I'm aware of that...and it looks crappy to install/setup...any other recommendation for the same kind of program? I have webalizer for now but I'm sure there's something better |
| 00:42.10 | stew | tmircea: sarges base is about 100mb |
| 00:42.13 | Virtual_ | stew: one more question if i might, for testing release what do i need to setup in /etc/apt/sources.list regarding security ? |
| 00:42.28 | tmircea | i cant rent anything.. all i have is my cable connection |
| 00:42.38 | tmircea | but i can wait 4 hours after debian to update |
| 00:42.44 | tmircea | if you guarantee that x will work |
| 00:42.56 | stew | sys6x: google just bought urchin and its free for something like <5million hits a month |
| 00:43.05 | stew | Virtual_: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 00:43.21 | sys6x | kay, nice thanks |
| 00:43.22 | Azar | tmircea to get x working you need: 1. Sarge 2. kernel 2.6.8 3. installing xserver 4. nvidia one liner from our dpkg here. |
| 00:43.27 | stew | tmircea: what graphics chipset do you have? |
| 00:43.34 | tmircea | gforce 4 mx |
| 00:43.37 | sys6x | then it should be free for 35 hits/day :p |
| 00:43.41 | stew | tmircea: do you need 3d support? |
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| 00:43.49 | tmircea | no i just need to see a GUI |
| 00:44.03 | tmircea | no 3d |
| 00:44.09 | tmircea | anything that works |
| 00:44.33 | tmircea | but what do i do with the woody X i installed from cds? wil it upgrade too when i update to sarge from the net? |
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| 00:44.39 | tmircea | will it upgrade to xorg? |
| 00:44.40 | stew | tmircea: then ignore anyone who tries to tell you about installing the nvidia driver from nvidia, or the nvidia one liner, it should work fine from the free drivers |
| 00:44.44 | tmircea | or i must get xorg separately |
| 00:44.52 | solemnwarning | why wont xfree86 work in testing? |
| 00:44.55 | solemnwarning | xorg sucks |
| 00:44.59 | Azar | tmircea just install only 1st woodyCD, "the base" then configure your apt sources to end in / stable main non-free contrib then let it finish the install for Sarge, it will be long but worth wait |
| 00:45.00 | stew | tmircea: sarge will be xfree but it has virtually the same drivers as xorg anyway |
| 00:45.12 | jepler | Hi. I have a question about debian source packages and building them: After I 'apt-get source foo', should there be a foo-VERSION/debian/rules file? If there's not, is the source package damaged? |
| 00:45.21 | cheal | solemnwarning: uh, XFree86 left testing since a long time |
| 00:45.32 | solemnwarning | but xorg wont work |
| 00:45.35 | sys6x | stew : sounds like we need an invitation heh |
| 00:45.38 | tmircea | stew: it doesnt work with vesa or fbdev or anything not even in 800x600 256 colors |
| 00:45.41 | stew | solemnwarning: there shouldn't be a big difference between sarge's xfree and etch's xorg |
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| 00:45.48 | jepler | in this case, there's only debian/control and debian/changelog |
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| 00:45.56 | stew | tmircea: did you try the "nv" driver? |
| 00:45.57 | solemnwarning | except xorg DOES NOT WORK |
| 00:46.09 | Azar | tmircea if you only do the base install (minmial) you will get xserver later with apt-get |
| 00:46.14 | tmircea | stew: i have changed from the nv driver to vesa, since it doesnt start with nv |
| 00:46.18 | kelmo | hi, so what is dpkg saying about madwifi these days? |
| 00:46.19 | tmircea | ok |
| 00:46.24 | stew | tmircea: what error do you get with nv? |
| 00:46.25 | tmircea | but how large is it |
| 00:46.32 | cheal | kelmo: the bot? |
| 00:46.36 | kelmo | yeah |
| 00:46.41 | Azar | stew he has Woody with a 2.4.18 kernel |
| 00:46.51 | cheal | !tell kelmo about madwifi |
| 00:46.59 | tmircea | i dunno im not on debian now but i will install it and i will get here with a text-mode irc client so you guys can help me while i update and make x work etc |
| 00:47.00 | tmircea | ok? |
| 00:47.20 | kelmo | cheal: needs updating, quite badly |
| 00:47.23 | stew | that's what were here for |
| 00:47.27 | cheal | !madwifi |
| 00:47.27 | dpkg | i heard madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 00:47.28 | sys6x | stew: have an invitation code? |
| 00:47.41 | cheal | kelmo: feel free |
| 00:47.43 | stew | sys6x: no i don't, sorry i didn't realize it was required |
| 00:47.51 | sys6x | hehe no problem |
| 00:48.00 | tmircea | so im installing debian in about 20 minutes and i will get back with irc client so you can help me.. btw wich irc client I have and from wich cd |
| 00:48.03 | sys6x | you said you paid for it? |
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| 00:48.26 | solemnwarning | how can i make xorg use the res its set to use???? |
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| 00:48.52 | stew | solemnwarning: the log should tell you why it is not using whatever mode you think it should be using |
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| 00:48.58 | stew | solemnwarning: which driver are you using? |
| 00:49.00 | solemnwarning | what log? |
| 00:49.03 | solemnwarning | nvidia |
| 00:49.14 | haich | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.14 | stew | solemnwarning: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 00:50.01 | solemnwarning | (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (vrefresh out of range) |
| 00:50.03 | solemnwarning | WTF?!?!?! |
| 00:50.09 | Rubin | is there a way to do a debian/rules binary which doesnt rebuild stuff it doesnt need to? (like for make?) im having a hard time debugging a problem because it takes an hour to compile |
| 00:50.18 | deadcat | solemnwarning: your monitor sucks |
| 00:50.21 | stew | solemnwarning: how is your monitor connected? vga cable? |
| 00:50.25 | solemnwarning | VGA |
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| 00:50.27 | tmircea | debian project runs vanilla linux kernels in debian linux or it modifies them / add patches and if yes they run modified kernels, what do they generally modify |
| 00:50.31 | tmircea | wich areas of kernel |
| 00:50.32 | kspath | Are 1997, 1998, 1999, and 2000 Linux Journals worth keeping Have a pile of them here. Not sure if I should keep for nostalgia/history or just toss and make room... |
| 00:50.33 | solemnwarning | its using 1280x1024 atm |
| 00:50.45 | solemnwarning | why did the res go up if monitor cant take it? -_- |
| 00:50.48 | sys6x | kspath : send'em to me by mail |
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| 00:50.57 | KonvIRC | hi |
| 00:51.02 | KonvIRC | how I can unlock APT database? |
| 00:51.12 | pipeline | tmircea: uh, why don't you "apt-get source" for a kernel package and look at the patch sets for yourself? |
| 00:51.14 | solemnwarning | the monitor can handle 1152x864@75Hz |
| 00:51.24 | pipeline | tmircea: Debian's source archives keep the upstream source and the patch sets separate, then patch at build-time, you see. |
| 00:51.31 | stew | solemnwarning: maybe the card wont do that resolution at such a low refresh |
| 00:51.35 | solemnwarning | it can |
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| 00:51.49 | solemnwarning | it used to with xfree86 under stable |
| 00:52.03 | stew | solemnwarning: if the monitor can handle 75Hz why did you say it couldn't in xorg.conf? |
| 00:52.09 | solemnwarning | what? |
| 00:52.14 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.25 | solemnwarning | is that the refresh rate? |
| 00:52.26 | LiquiDark | vulture: thank you so much, mpgtx did the trick in about 10 seconds while I tried mucking around with lame for hours! |
| 00:53.08 | LiquiDark | konvirc: if apt's database is locked, that probably means you have an instance of apt or dselect or aptitude or something running somewhere |
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| 00:53.34 | sys6x | or that you're not root |
| 00:53.34 | tmircea | debian woody includes gcc 2.95 is that a part of the base install? should i stop installing software when it says about tasksel/dselect so I have the base system only ? |
| 00:53.37 | sys6x | *sigh* |
| 00:53.54 | tmircea | debian woody doesnt have gcc 3? |
| 00:54.11 | dli | how to fix this? ipw2200: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On |
| 00:54.11 | _rene_ | it has. 3.0. |
| 00:54.15 | _rene_ | but ignore woody |
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| 00:54.17 | tmircea | on wich cd |
| 00:54.18 | _rene_ | use sarge. |
| 00:54.31 | solemnwarning | setting it to 72-75 fixed it :D |
| 00:54.32 | tmircea | but sarge wont install gcc for me only the base system |
| 00:54.41 | solemnwarning | theres a bug in dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:54.44 | azeem | tmircea: you can install it via apt-get |
| 00:54.49 | solemnwarning | i told it to use 75Hz, but it used 70 |
| 00:55.06 | stew | solemnwarning: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 00:55.25 | tmircea | oh God...... I have 7 useless cds for wich i waited days to put my hands on.. for now to get so many things from downloading..eh |
| 00:55.43 | tmircea | not even gcc 3.x on the 7cds? |
| 00:55.48 | tmircea | and it is a 2005 distro! |
| 00:55.51 | azeem | tmircea: on the woody CDs? |
| 00:55.53 | _rene_ | tmircea: if you registered the 7 cds to apt |
| 00:55.59 | _rene_ | apt of course will fetch it from there |
| 00:56.00 | tmircea | ok |
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| 00:56.04 | stew | dli: do you have a switch somewhere to disable your wireless, maybe a fn-key combination if its a laptop? |
| 00:56.04 | tmircea | thats what i want |
| 00:56.08 | azeem | tmircea: of course gcc-3 and gcc-4 are on the Sarge CDs |
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| 00:56.17 | tmircea | okay dokay |
| 00:56.24 | _rene_ | azeem: doesn't woody also have a gcc-3.0 package? |
| 00:56.35 | azeem | yes, probably |
| 00:56.36 | zenwryly | isn't there some package for choosing the best debian mirror for my apt sources? |
| 00:56.47 | azeem | but tmircea definetely should rather isntall sarge |
| 00:56.51 | _rene_ | indeed |
| 00:56.59 | stew | azeem: sarge doesn't have a gcc-4 package, does it? |
| 00:57.06 | tmircea | ok.... its 2:56 AM here, Im not sleepy .. should I Install Debian now? what do u think.. and come back here after.. ? |
| 00:57.13 | stew | zenwryly: apt-spy |
| 00:57.38 | zenwryly | stew: that's it! THanks |
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| 00:58.15 | azeem | stew: sarge does |
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| 00:58.23 | kelmo | cheal: thanks |
| 00:58.24 | sumar | help |
| 00:58.37 | sys6x | apt-spy? never heard of it and it doesn't work on my system |
| 00:58.43 | solemnwarning | is there any way to install kaffeine under testing? |
| 00:58.43 | azeem | or at least I thought |
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| 00:58.53 | solemnwarning | "apt-get -t stable install kaffeine" didnt work |
| 00:58.55 | cheal | !madwifi |
| 00:58.55 | dpkg | i heard madwifi is at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or #madwifi, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 00:59.00 | cheal | !beer kelmo |
| 00:59.08 | deadcat | any font freaks? i am having trouble with /etc/fonts/fonts.conf vs ~/.fonts.conf |
| 00:59.41 | solemnwarning | anyone? |
| 00:59.41 | azeem | stew: right, it hasn't |
| 01:00.24 | stew | azeem: i would also question woody having 3.0, but i don't feel like setting up sources, darn p.d.o |
| 01:00.33 | tmircea | do you think kevin mitnik would choose debian? |
| 01:00.43 | deadcat | tmircea: no |
| 01:00.48 | tmircea | but what? |
| 01:00.50 | stew | tmircea: i think he would be on a bsd |
| 01:00.50 | tmircea | do u think |
| 01:01.01 | tmircea | hmm |
| 01:01.02 | deadcat | who give a fuck what he uses. |
| 01:01.05 | tmircea | too bad |
| 01:01.08 | stew | he doesn't use anything, right? |
| 01:01.15 | tmircea | hes out of jail |
| 01:01.21 | azeem | stew: it had |
| 01:01.33 | solemnwarning | OMFG!!!!!!! |
| 01:01.39 | deadcat | works? |
| 01:01.49 | solemnwarning | why is the killall program not in testing???? |
| 01:01.59 | azeem | solemnwarning: please, calm down |
| 01:02.00 | stew | !find bin/killall testing |
| 01:02.14 | deadcat | psmisc pkg |
| 01:02.24 | deadcat | it got moved i think |
| 01:02.28 | deadcat | confused me last time too |
| 01:02.57 | cheal | solemnwarning: according to what I heard, killall was afraid it could be used by you |
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| 01:03.17 | cheal | or maybe the release managers were afraid to give you an opportunity to kill something |
| 01:03.29 | stew | just use pkill/pgrep, they are nicer anyway |
| 01:03.44 | stew | i wish i could just tell dpkg to nevermind |
| 01:04.00 | stew | if i thought she was going to have to think about it this hard... |
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| 01:04.16 | iluvatar` | hi |
| 01:04.17 | solemnwarning | how do i install kaffeine under testing? |
| 01:04.27 | solemnwarning | its apt package is broken, like everything else is |
| 01:04.29 | cheal | solemnwarning: you install sid's |
| 01:04.44 | solemnwarning | ? |
| 01:04.48 | deadcat | solemnwarning: dont use it |
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| 01:04.55 | stew | cheal: that would require changing to unstable for everything kde related, wouldn't it? |
| 01:04.58 | tmircea | ok why is kde 2.2 included in debian woody? |
| 01:05.06 | cheal | stew: I doubt it |
| 01:05.07 | deadcat | tmircea: why not? |
| 01:05.09 | solemnwarning | i already tried "apt-get -t stable install kaffeine" but it wont work |
| 01:05.11 | azeem | tmircea: woody is four years old |
| 01:05.12 | tmircea | its old |
| 01:05.18 | deadcat | tmircea: so is woody |
| 01:05.22 | tmircea | but its from 2005 |
| 01:05.25 | azeem | tmircea: no |
| 01:05.27 | deadcat | tmircea: no |
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| 01:05.30 | solemnwarning | how do i get this to work? |
| 01:05.39 | deadcat | tmircea: it was from when you werent using linux |
| 01:05.43 | cheal | solemnwarning: I said sid, not stable |
| 01:05.46 | azeem | tmircea: the last point release was in 2005, but it got released in 2002 or so |
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| 01:05.54 | iluvatar` | ehi guys, there are some problems if I upgrade libc6 , libc6-dev e locales from etch to sarge? |
| 01:05.56 | azeem | tmircea: and packages have not been updated since hten |
| 01:05.57 | azeem | then |
| 01:06.07 | stew | cheal: ahh you are right, i would have thought it depended on kdelibs 3.5 by now |
| 01:06.12 | azeem | iluvatar`: etch->sarge is downgrade |
| 01:06.18 | solemnwarning | still getting error with "-t unstable" |
| 01:06.27 | deadcat | iluvatar`: that sounds suicidal |
| 01:06.27 | tmircea | where do i see the debian exact version/release on cd 1 |
| 01:06.29 | tmircea | wich file |
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| 01:06.32 | tmircea | shows it |
| 01:06.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/killall' (2): (/usr/bin/killall) in admin/psmisc ;; (/sbin/killall5) in admin/sysvinit. |
| 01:06.43 | deadcat | tmircea: file name |
| 01:06.46 | cheal | stew: it might be uninstallable in sid, but it's enough poorly maintained to be installable in etch anyway :) |
| 01:06.47 | iluvatar` | deadcat: doh ._. |
| 01:06.57 | stew | cheal: gocha |
| 01:06.59 | tmircea | deadcat ? |
| 01:07.10 | deadcat | etch is testing. which is fine for a desktop |
| 01:07.12 | iluvatar` | azeem: why downgrade ? |
| 01:07.21 | solemnwarning | etch sucks |
| 01:07.28 | azeem | iluvatar`: because etch > sarge |
| 01:07.30 | solemnwarning | i would use sarge if the installer didnt freeze |
| 01:07.35 | deadcat | tmircea: woody is 3.0 thats all you need to know |
| 01:07.51 | deadcat | solemnwarning: you tried the devel version? |
| 01:07.52 | tmircea | but im not sure if its woody |
| 01:07.55 | tmircea | at all |
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| 01:08.01 | KonvIRC | hi |
| 01:08.02 | solemnwarning | deadcat, ? |
| 01:08.07 | deadcat | tmircea: if it say 3.0, its woody |
| 01:08.11 | KonvIRC | how I can unlock APT database? |
| 01:08.19 | iluvatar` | azeem: of course, but I want install gaim 1.5 from source and the sound support depend from upgradate libc |
| 01:08.21 | tmircea | where do i see the version |
| 01:08.27 | deadcat | KonvIRC: kill whatever is using apt |
| 01:08.30 | cheal | KonvIRC: you probably have synaptic or some APT frontend running |
| 01:08.33 | azeem | tmircea: boot it |
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| 01:08.51 | KonvIRC | deadcat, cheal, no I just reboot the PC |
| 01:09.03 | tmircea | ok see you in about 20 minutes back here after i installed it |
| 01:09.04 | iluvatar` | beacuse libao depend from libc6 |
| 01:09.26 | deadcat | KonvIRC: double check, then go to /var/cache/apt/archives and remove whatevers in the lock dir |
| 01:09.30 | tmircea | but is there a irc client with woody base? |
| 01:09.37 | azeem | tmircea: no |
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| 01:09.48 | deadcat | tmircea: what the hell you want to do? |
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| 01:10.16 | tmircea | deadcat: you would have to read trough the previous 1000 lines of text in this channel to get at the begining |
| 01:10.22 | tmircea | im trying to fix debian |
| 01:10.29 | tmircea | so it will work on my pc |
| 01:10.31 | tmircea | with X |
| 01:10.31 | azeem | tmircea: you can just boot it, it should tell you the version of it |
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| 01:10.43 | azeem | if it is 3.0, do not bother |
| 01:10.53 | deadcat | tmircea: start with the fucking debian-installer (sarge) |
| 01:10.57 | tmircea | thats why im upgrading |
| 01:10.59 | deadcat | and fuck woody |
| 01:11.05 | stew | deadcat: chill out |
| 01:11.09 | tmircea | deadcat i dont have sarge i must use woody |
| 01:11.10 | deadcat | stew: i am. |
| 01:11.12 | tmircea | and upgrade |
| 01:11.17 | deadcat | stew: you calm him down |
| 01:11.18 | kspath | !mhallsmite woody |
| 01:11.30 | azeem | kspath: please /msg the bot |
| 01:11.43 | tmircea | lol |
| 01:11.46 | deadcat | i like woody, but he needs to skip woody and go to sarge. hes having problem obtaining the right woody. |
| 01:11.48 | tmircea | i love this channel |
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| 01:11.53 | stew | !forget cmd: mhallsmite (.*?) |
| 01:11.53 | dpkg | i forgot cmd: mhallsmite (.*?), stew |
| 01:12.05 | deadcat | and i guarantee he cant install woody. |
| 01:12.10 | KonvIRC | the APT database is locked the last 5 days |
| 01:12.37 | tmircea | ok im going to install almighty woody and be back |
| 01:12.40 | azeem | KonvIRC: are you running it as root or with sudo? |
| 01:12.43 | tmircea | i will fight debian |
| 01:12.45 | tmircea | and win |
| 01:12.50 | azeem | tmircea: good luck |
| 01:12.57 | iluvatar` | so, the advice is "to upgrade only libc6, libc6-dev and locales on sarge is a bad thing" ? |
| 01:13.00 | deadcat | tmircea: no you wont. you gonna come back and bitch |
| 01:13.01 | deadcat | again |
| 01:13.07 | tmircea | haha |
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| 01:13.20 | deadcat | !d-i tmircea |
| 01:13.20 | dpkg | tmircea, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:13.25 | deadcat | tmircea: do that ^^ |
| 01:13.38 | tmircea | what can i do there |
| 01:13.47 | deadcat | not bother us here |
| 01:14.09 | stew | deadcat: if you don't want to help him please just put him on /ignore |
| 01:14.09 | KonvIRC | the database is UNLOCKED thanks!!!! |
| 01:14.25 | deadcat | stew: i am helping him (= |
| 01:14.32 | iluvatar` | yuhuu :) |
| 01:14.45 | stew | deadcat: by trying to make him feel unwelcome here? |
| 01:14.49 | deadcat | i was gonna ask KonvIRC how but i guess he doesnt want to share (= |
| 01:14.54 | deadcat | stew: hahah |
| 01:15.08 | houn | nvidia twinview up. Damn I'm good. *flex* |
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| 01:15.19 | deadcat | houn: cool. what did you do? |
| 01:15.28 | Azar | houn nice, share |
| 01:15.32 | deadcat | houn: did you check nvidia.sh.nu ? |
| 01:15.34 | kspath | after making sure all your data is backed up going from woody to sarge is a good descision |
| 01:16.03 | deadcat | kspath: why need to check if its backed up? it aint fedora. its debian |
| 01:16.03 | kspath | unless it is a production server in use now |
| 01:16.11 | iluvatar` | ok, I'll install without sound support :\ |
| 01:16.43 | Spork_Boy | okay... so I have a 1GB memorex traveldrive. I plug it in. It loads everything, mounts, displays a drive icon and a cd icon on my gnome desktop (which seems to be correct)... I unplug it, the drive icon goes away. plug it back in, nothing, but the power lite comes on. unplug it, the cd icon goes away, plug it back in, nothing, not even a power light. |
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| 01:16.50 | kspath | deadcat: databases personal data/files other |
| 01:16.52 | aghaster | hi |
| 01:16.53 | Spork_Boy | my question is, wtf? |
| 01:16.57 | houn | Azar, deadcat: Actually, I just installed the binary off the nVidia site, and then edited XF86Config with the options *shrug* |
| 01:17.04 | brian_ | any one in here have a machien with os x on it |
| 01:17.09 | houn | But, it's the first time I've ever done it on Debian, so... |
| 01:17.14 | deadcat | Spork_Boy: fried? |
| 01:17.14 | tmircea | i will download sarge-installer cd image (100mb) write it to cd and then install the base system then come back here and will also install the rest trough internet... net-install X gcc kde etc |
| 01:17.19 | tmircea | right? |
| 01:17.21 | houn | I'm just happy it didnt' give me no lip, hehe |
| 01:17.26 | tmircea | or enlightenment for that matter :) |
| 01:17.26 | Spork_Boy | deadcat: what fried? |
| 01:17.28 | Azar | houn did you read the header notes on the xfree86 file? |
| 01:17.46 | houn | Azar: No. I'm guessing it's fair game to be changed by Debian, though. |
| 01:18.00 | deadcat | houn: ah. i am using the debian nvidia package. 2560x1024 at home (= |
| 01:18.03 | Azar | houn read it and apply the advice there |
| 01:18.06 | deadcat | Spork_Boy: the drive maybe |
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| 01:18.23 | Spork_Boy | deadcat: no.. I can reboot & do it all over again. |
| 01:18.27 | houn | Azar: I think I'll worry about it after I figure out how to switch to XOrg. |
| 01:18.28 | deadcat | o |
| 01:18.35 | houn | Speaking of... |
| 01:18.44 | deadcat | houn: you won woody? sarge? testing? |
| 01:18.45 | houn | Anyone know how to swap to XOrg? =D |
| 01:18.48 | houn | Sarge |
| 01:18.52 | houn | Fresh Install. |
| 01:18.56 | deadcat | houn: upgrade to testing |
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| 01:19.08 | tmircea | reboot I go and install woody |
| 01:19.08 | deadcat | !tell houn about stable->testing |
| 01:19.22 | houn | Just got my custom 2.6 kernel installed (The Debian Way, mind you, which I have to say is pretty cool) |
| 01:19.26 | Spork_Boy | same basic concept with my usb card reader.. it gets the first insert, then nothing. |
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| 01:19.36 | GmLB | Does anyone know how I can setup 802.1x authentication over my LAN connection? My school requires 802.1x or I cannot get an IP on the LAN. |
| 01:19.37 | Azar | houn still is not big deal to look at the xfree86 header file, is a short read.. |
| 01:20.02 | deadcat | GmLB: checkout nocat i think |
| 01:20.23 | houn | Azar: Ah, i see what you're pointing out. Groovy, will do. |
| 01:20.30 | Azar | :) |
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| 01:20.50 | houn | deadcat: I can't change to Testing or Unstable. People in here mock me when I ask that. |
| 01:21.01 | deadcat | houn: i told you already |
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| 01:21.43 | houn | deadcat: Told me what? |
| 01:22.03 | GmLB | deadcat, nocat is a separate project... it isn't a 802.1x implementation. |
| 01:22.04 | deadcat | houn: check with the bot |
| 01:22.05 | croddy | !stable->testing |
| 01:22.18 | deadcat | GmLB: doesnt it uses radius as well? |
| 01:22.19 | Azar | houn, I guess xorg will not work with Sarge... |
| 01:22.37 | GmLB | deadcat, possibly? but the server I need to authenticate against is 802.1x with PEAP |
| 01:22.38 | Azar | there might be some tricks but I have no idea of |
| 01:22.45 | deadcat | GmLB: oh |
| 01:23.08 | deadcat | houn: /topic it has a sarge backport |
| 01:23.14 | houn | deadcat: Yeah, I got the bot message, I'm just saying, every other time I come in here, I ask about Testing and Unstable, and get laughed at for considering it. I don't like be laughed at, it's like High School in IRC. |
| 01:23.16 | GmLB | deadcat, I think you're just partial to projects with the name "cat" in them. |
| 01:23.21 | Phated | Heh. |
| 01:23.30 | aghaster | i'm on my new debian sarge system and i'm quite new to it. I have a problem with my screen resolution, it doesnt want to let me put it higher than 800x600 |
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| 01:23.41 | deadcat | GmLB: crazy (= |
| 01:23.55 | deadcat | houn: ha ha!!! |
| 01:23.59 | Azar | houn no, unless you get some whacky ideas of implementing packages that don't fit on a version |
| 01:24.21 | SperMite | what do i put after main in my sources.list to get extra souces. its like nonfee something |
| 01:24.23 | aghaster | what are the possible factors that would block me from putting a resolution higher than 800x600? |
| 01:24.40 | aghaster | i run 1024x768 on that same computer on my windows partition, so the hardware is able to do it |
| 01:24.42 | deadcat | aghaster: crappy video card, crappy monitor, crappy setting, crappy driver |
| 01:24.55 | deadcat | aghaster: what video card? |
| 01:25.04 | aghaster | sapphire ati radeon 9200 SE |
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| 01:25.12 | Azar | SperMite: / stable main non-free contrib or / testing main non-free contrib whichever you use |
| 01:25.21 | aghaster | i had problems using the ati driver with that card and ubuntu, but with debian i had no problem |
| 01:25.26 | deadcat | aghaster: dpkt-reconfigure xserver-x(free86|org) and answer few question |
| 01:25.31 | aghaster | ok |
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| 01:26.47 | houn | Azar: That sucks. Following those instructions ripped out all the Twinview stuff :P |
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| 01:27.13 | aghaster | bash doesnt recognize the command dpkt-reconfigure at all :/ |
| 01:27.23 | Azar | houn sorry for that but you know what happens when you next apt-get, this file will not be updated |
| 01:27.24 | deadcat | dpkg-re |
| 01:27.26 | deadcat | my fault |
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| 01:27.35 | aghaster | ok |
| 01:28.21 | Azar | houn, what if you try to do the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and try to get Twinview with that tool, instead of manual configuration of the file? |
| 01:28.49 | houn | Azar: It didn't have any Twinview options when I ran through it, hense loosing them. |
| 01:29.01 | deadcat | Azar: i dont think dpkg-reconfigure can let you do twinview. |
| 01:29.09 | deadcat | you have to edit by hand |
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| 01:29.19 | houn | S'all gravy, though, since I can just drop them back in from the .custom file ;D |
| 01:29.38 | Azar | deadcat, ah, so he only has a choice: manually configure but then he can't use update |
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| 01:30.00 | deadcat | Azar: he gonna have to upgrade to xorg then edit |
| 01:30.00 | houn | Azar: It's also not hard to update, and then copy-paste, lol |
| 01:30.09 | deadcat | Azar: well doesnt really matters |
| 01:30.43 | eps | what is support for PCI-E like under linux (assuming an nforce chipset)? |
| 01:31.05 | zethreth | I'm looking for a simple windows organizer that is displayed in a menu format. Any suggestions? |
| 01:31.24 | deadcat | zethreth: dont know what a windows organizer is |
| 01:31.34 | zethreth | like a task bar |
| 01:31.47 | deadcat | zethreth: fbpanel maybe |
| 01:31.53 | Azar | oh I see.. |
| 01:32.07 | jepler | I found the answer to my earlier question in the Debian New Maintainers' Guide .. thanks |
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| 01:32.48 | Vooloo | in order for squirrelmail to get the mail, does the IMAP server have to be on localhost? |
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| 01:33.05 | deadcat | Vooloo: try #squirrelmail they know more |
| 01:33.05 | zethreth | I want to punch in a key combo have a menu pop up with all open windows for the desktop displayed. |
| 01:33.36 | deadcat | zethreth: oh. that depends on your manager |
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| 01:33.39 | bucky | zethreth: what's your desktop.. kde? |
| 01:33.43 | zethreth | openbox |
| 01:33.48 | deadcat | right click |
| 01:33.54 | deadcat | middle i mean |
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| 01:34.15 | zethreth | haha |
| 01:34.24 | deadcat | that it? |
| 01:34.40 | foot | anybody know of a standalone chat server accessible via a web browser? |
| 01:34.52 | zethreth | that's hilarious |
| 01:34.55 | deadcat | no |
| 01:35.09 | zethreth | thats exactly what I need to |
| 01:35.23 | zethreth | and it happens to be in openbox |
| 01:35.24 | foot | really |
| 01:35.36 | deadcat | zethreth: thats in most manager. |
| 01:35.45 | zethreth | how ironic |
| 01:36.31 | deadcat | zethreth: theres a really shit ass app called skippy, but it wont play nice with openbox. it works but shit as fuck |
| 01:37.28 | zethreth | now I just have to find out where I need to change the way its called for. |
| 01:37.41 | deadcat | zethreth: .config/openbox/rc.xml |
| 01:37.48 | zethreth | give it a key combo |
| 01:38.54 | benjamindees | are there any real differences between the *box(es) ? |
| 01:39.22 | deadcat | yes. openbox is complete rewrite |
| 01:39.36 | zethreth | ya, it's kind of hard to access it if you have no desktop showing. |
| 01:39.43 | deadcat | flux has so much feature than black |
| 01:39.53 | deadcat | zethreth: ya |
| 01:40.01 | deadcat | therefor the shit ass skippy app |
| 01:40.04 | zethreth | the idea is to display it whenever |
| 01:40.05 | deadcat | but its shit |
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| 01:40.14 | houn | Hmm. Anyone have experience setting up xorg from backports.org? I added the info to sources.list and /etc/apt/preferences, but apt-get install says it depends on a newer version of xserver-common than is available. |
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| 01:40.27 | deadcat | houn: no. most people use testing or unstable |
| 01:40.31 | tmircea | im back with woody from console with BitchX :) |
| 01:40.38 | deadcat | bastard |
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| 01:40.44 | tmircea | hehe |
| 01:40.50 | benjamindees | houn, apt-get update |
| 01:40.59 | deadcat | tmircea: i cant believe you made it back (= |
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| 01:41.05 | houn | benjamindees: Already hit that, yes ;D |
| 01:41.05 | benjamindees | houn, er, I guess you've done that... |
| 01:41.09 | aum | hi - can sarge/stable cope with reading/writing large |
| 01:41.11 | bucky | kompose is a full screen task manager for KDE http://kompose.berlios.de/ |
| 01:41.11 | aum | files? |
| 01:41.12 | Hentai^XP | Does anyone here use the ACL support on linux? |
| 01:41.13 | tmircea | debian is poppycock |
| 01:41.26 | deadcat | aum: thats the filesystem's problem |
| 01:41.38 | aum | filesystem is ext3 |
| 01:42.36 | deadcat | aum: should be no problem. big as in 5000TB? |
| 01:42.37 | tmircea | now how do i update to sarge the most easy way? base system: kernel,binutils and the gcc etc then finally X and enlighthenment |
| 01:42.37 | tmircea | :) |
| 01:42.37 | houn | deadcat: You seem to advise that running testing or unstable isn't that big a deal, correct? |
| 01:42.37 | deadcat | or 1gig? |
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| 01:42.37 | deadcat | houn: testing is very stable. |
| 01:42.43 | aum | deadcat: big as in 100GB |
| 01:42.54 | benjamindees | !tell tmircea about sarge upgrade |
| 01:43.20 | deadcat | aum: thats pretty big. search online. i am not sure. i know big as in 1gig and 50000TB only |
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| 01:44.11 | tengulre11 | which IM tools are u selected? |
| 01:44.24 | deadcat | aum: oh. 100GB. thats nothing ext3 can handle it. |
| 01:44.30 | aum | sweet |
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| 01:44.36 | deadcat | i thought it was a diff number |
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| 01:44.49 | houn | deadcat: Just add "testing" lines to sources, apt-get update apt-get upgrade? |
| 01:44.52 | deadcat | i have few 111GB |
| 01:45.07 | deadcat | houn: follow the bot's instruction |
| 01:45.23 | oigres | Hi guys, how can i change the size of the text written on a virtual terminal? I'm using lilo as bootloader and the problem is that the text occupies a smaller region than the whole monitor! |
| 01:45.40 | deadcat | oigres: set the vga=791 |
| 01:45.57 | oigres | deadcat: in lilo.conf, right? |
| 01:46.00 | deadcat | ya |
| 01:46.08 | deadcat | default is vga=normal |
| 01:46.15 | oigres | deadcat: OK... I'll do that! Cheers for the tip! |
| 01:46.38 | mmars | anyone using iSCSI? |
| 01:46.43 | deadcat | no |
| 01:46.48 | abercrombiedrone | i have ubuntu on my comp right now which installed flawlessly and i want to replace it with debian. i cant get it to recognize my network connection or my hd. |
| 01:46.58 | deadcat | abercrombiedrone: #ubuntu |
| 01:47.30 | stew | abercrombiedrone: what chipsets are your hard disk controller and network card |
| 01:47.33 | deadcat | abercrombiedrone: actually boot to ubuntu, lsmod, see what module they use. then check again |
| 01:47.40 | houn | deadcat: Your bot confuses and frightens me with it's ambiguous grammar on "testing security" |
| 01:47.53 | deadcat | houn: just ignore that |
| 01:48.00 | deadcat | that aint my bitch |
| 01:48.03 | mmars | ? |
| 01:48.10 | stew | abercrombiedrone: how were you trying to install debian? with an install cd? |
| 01:48.14 | deadcat | mmars: no |
| 01:48.17 | abercrombiedrone | yes |
| 01:48.28 | houn | deadcat: well, what's the repository for testing security updates... or is there NOT ONE? (Dun Dun DUN!) |
| 01:48.30 | stew | abercrombiedrone: did you try the 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:48.31 | deadcat | abercrombiedrone: the debian-installer right? |
| 01:48.50 | deadcat | houn: there is one. but i dont remember. check debian-administration.org |
| 01:48.52 | abercrombiedrone | im not sure if i dled the correct installer though, i have a dell pentium 3 and i dled i386 |
| 01:49.04 | deadcat | abercrombiedrone: correcto |
| 01:49.04 | stew | houn: ddi you read http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
| 01:49.33 | houn | stew: I was supposed to read it? See, I thought the bot was telling me that was a repository. I told you, the grammar frightened me. |
| 01:49.34 | deadcat | better head off to class |
| 01:49.39 | stew | abercrombiedrone: by default the installer uses a 2.4 kernel but can use a 2.6 kernel, hit f1 at the boot: prompt |
| 01:49.49 | karsten | deadcat: You have no class. |
| 01:49.51 | stew | houn: read it |
| 01:49.57 | houn | stew: I am, lol |
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| 01:50.55 | bucky | dpkg: i'm afraid of bots |
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| 01:52.07 | abercrombiedrone | i know this is probably a dumb question. is there a difference between binary 1 and binary 2 when dling the debian? |
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| 01:52.37 | Saint-Takeshi | abercrombiedrone: yes... |
| 01:52.40 | houn | stew, deadcat: word, moments away from complete system fubaring! |
| 01:52.45 | Saint-Takeshi | binary 1 is the install disk |
| 01:52.57 | Saint-Takeshi | binary 2 is just extra packages, etc... |
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| 01:53.06 | abercrombiedrone | ok cool thats what i have. thnx for the help |
| 01:53.17 | aghaster | how come versions of software that we can get from synaptic aren't the latest? like i got firefox 1.0.4 with synaptic while 1.5 is out :/ |
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| 01:53.47 | Saint-Takeshi | aghaster: are your apt-sources going to unstable, testing or stable? |
| 01:54.10 | Azar | bah I just glanced at my xfree86 configuration and seen I mistyped GeForce MX 400 instead of MX 4000 |
| 01:54.41 | aghaster | hum... how can i see that? |
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| 01:55.35 | MrEntropy | yo |
| 01:55.45 | MrEntropy | does mod_proxy come with the "apache" package? |
| 01:55.47 | Azar | aghaster: use less: less /etc/apt/sources.list to view the contents |
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| 01:56.22 | aghaster | stable |
| 01:56.26 | Saint-Takeshi | i can't get my USB keydrive to appear as a mountable device |
| 01:57.04 | aghaster | apt-source is going stable, how can i change it to latest? i have the amd64 sarge version |
| 01:57.06 | Saint-Takeshi | it's FAT32 formatted, plugged in, it appears in /proc/usb... |
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| 01:57.29 | Azar | aghaster you want to go to unstable? |
| 01:57.34 | MrEntropy | Saint-Takeshi: got usb-storage loaded? |
| 01:57.48 | zenwryly | I always forget how to run something like base-config or somesuch. But there's some command to reconfigure some of the system basics. I think apt amongst other. |
| 01:57.55 | chealer_ | aghaster: you're already using the latest stable... |
| 01:57.57 | zenwryly | anyone care to give me a clue... agtain |
| 01:57.58 | aghaster | i want latest versions, like i know firefox 1.5 is not unstable. i simply want more up to date |
| 01:58.16 | chealer_ | zenwryly: in sarge, maybe apt-setup |
| 01:58.20 | Amorphous | hi. i have a ~500GB lvm volume with ext3 on it, running a selfcompiled kernel from debian source version 2.6.12-10 . rm on many files causes it to eventually get remounted ro so it needs fschk. and an even more interesting thing is i can't unmount it (busy) if i boot with init S (no processes running besides bash and it's parents and some from the kernel; i checked the output from lsof and it doesn't contain any file near the mountpoint; m |
| 01:58.20 | Amorphous | ount -f doesn't work either). any ideas (especialy on the umount problem)? |
| 01:58.28 | Saint-Takeshi | aghaster: just change the word "stable" or "sarge" to "testing" or "etch" i think....that's what i did...open sources.list in a text editor (as root) |
| 01:58.29 | aghaster | will unstable give me the option to latest software? |
| 01:58.32 | chealer_ | aghaster: yeah, firefox 1.5 is in unstable |
| 01:58.36 | Azar | zenwryly: you mean /usr/sbin/base-config ? |
| 01:58.37 | chealer_ | aghaster: no |
| 01:58.39 | zenwryly | chealer_: ah, if its dist specific then maybe that';s my problem |
| 01:58.44 | zenwryly | Azar: I don't have that |
| 01:58.50 | aghaster | ok |
| 01:59.01 | tay | aghaster : search for apt-pinning for beginners in google. Make sure you have testing and unstable in your source repositories |
| 01:59.01 | Azar | zenwryly: I am sorry I do not understand what you want to do |
| 01:59.29 | tay | aghaster : also if you want to make it easy there are options in synapitc to do so |
| 01:59.31 | zenwryly | Azar: I want to do what /usr/sbin/base-config used to do, but I'm running sid and I don't hae it |
| 01:59.42 | Azar | aghaster: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto |
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| 01:59.48 | johhny_b | anyone who knows how to do a grub-install from a computor that cannot start linux only windows? |
| 02:00.03 | Azar | zenwryly: I am so sorry I am not good with sid |
| 02:00.07 | tay | can anyone help me with getting debian packages for php (version 5) and mysqli (pearl module) working? The PEARL stuff is not showing up in phpinfo so i cant use mysqli classes |
| 02:00.13 | zenwryly | ok |
| 02:00.41 | zenwryly | anyone else? What's the equivalent of running /usr/sbin/base-config except for sid? |
| 02:01.03 | Amorphous | johhny_b: install it with a disk editor (if such a thing exists for win) |
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| 02:01.29 | johhny_b | Amorphous: ... huh? |
| 02:01.43 | johhny_b | i have a old debian and a quite old but working gentoo cd |
| 02:01.46 | johhny_b | i can get to the commanline |
| 02:01.49 | johhny_b | commandline |
| 02:01.57 | johhny_b | and mount my harddrives |
| 02:02.05 | johhny_b | but i cannot run grub-install |
| 02:02.21 | tay | why not :) |
| 02:02.36 | johhny_b | tay: well it says i dont have the block devices |
| 02:02.36 | johhny_b | :) |
| 02:02.41 | Amorphous | johhny_b: oh so you actually can boot linux from the cd |
| 02:02.58 | johhny_b | not any cd a grub cd |
| 02:03.03 | johhny_b | it dosent have grub-install |
| 02:03.05 | johhny_b | gentoo cd |
| 02:03.09 | johhny_b | sorry i am very sleepy :) |
| 02:03.26 | johhny_b | i got no help over at that shitty gentoo channel so i came back home |
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| 02:04.09 | Amorphous | johhny_b: you can boot the cd and get to the grub prompt, but you then can't make it to boot linux from the cd? |
| 02:04.19 | johhny_b | no no :) |
| 02:04.20 | johhny_b | heeh |
| 02:04.23 | johhny_b | i can boot the cd |
| 02:04.30 | itrebal | how many CDs are there to install debian..? |
| 02:04.42 | karsten | itrebal: Lots. |
| 02:04.42 | tmircea | when upgrading to sarge over the internet i should remove woody CD sources from apt sources.list and instead of them enter the mirrors? or i can leave them and enter the mirrors after the cd sources |
| 02:04.48 | johhny_b | but grub cannot find my sda1 |
| 02:04.49 | karsten | !tell itrebal about netinst |
| 02:04.56 | karsten | !tell itrebal about install manual |
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| 02:05.18 | chealer_ | tay: do you mean pear or really PEARL? |
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| 02:05.27 | itrebal | thanks |
| 02:05.34 | karsten | What (if any) media players / codecs / xmms plugins are there for WMA files? |
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| 02:05.48 | johhny_b | Amorphous: i can mount my devices in /mnt/gentoo |
| 02:05.57 | tay | no chealer_ PEAR which is some sort of php mechanism to incorporate modules (kinda like a common-lisp-controller if youre familiar with that) |
| 02:05.59 | Amorphous | johhny_b: linux or grub-install on linux or grub on plain hardware? |
| 02:06.00 | johhny_b | devices beeing sda1 sda2 and sda3 |
| 02:06.06 | tay | i've been googling for ages without any luck |
| 02:06.11 | karsten | Specifically, eg: http://audio.theworld.org/wma.php?id=12197 |
| 02:06.17 | itrebal | erm... which CDs are important for running a server? i'm compiling Apache, PostGreSQL, PHP by hand |
| 02:06.24 | johhny_b | Amorphous: huh? |
| 02:06.26 | chealer_ | !wma |
| 02:06.26 | dpkg | it has been said that wma is windows media audio file or something of that nature (proprietary Microsoft lossy audio codec), which sucks because I apt say so, or you can play it with vlc (Sarge) or mplayer |
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| 02:06.37 | karsten | tmircea: Once you've done an install, if you plan on doing over-the-net updates, you can safely remove your CD sources. |
| 02:06.37 | johhny_b | Amorphous: just tell me what to do if you have done this before |
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| 02:06.44 | johhny_b | i have monted my hds under /mnt/ |
| 02:06.46 | karsten | chealer_: Danke. |
| 02:06.51 | johhny_b | do i need to mount /proc/ too? |
| 02:06.53 | johhny_b | and /dev/ ? |
| 02:06.53 | tmircea | thanks |
| 02:06.59 | karsten | johhny_b: Was that a full monted? |
| 02:07.01 | chealer_ | karsten: I've heard something about a wma plugin for xmms, but never dig far enough to know if it's really usable |
| 02:07.07 | johhny_b | karsten: ? |
| 02:07.11 | karsten | johhny_b: NM. |
| 02:07.14 | karsten | chealer_: OK. |
| 02:07.15 | johhny_b | ok |
| 02:07.47 | chealer_ | well, if nobody owns a codec, how can it exist? |
| 02:07.50 | tmircea | lol.. woody has vi and not vim in the base system.. wtf?! |
| 02:08.05 | chealer_ | tmircea: just like sarge/unstable |
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| 02:08.10 | johhny_b | i have mounted all my hd under /mnt/ and mounted proc, but how do i mount /dev/ ? |
| 02:08.12 | Amorphous | johhny_b: for grub-install (that thing you can execute under linux) to work you don't need to have anything mounted. you just need the disk device... |
| 02:08.41 | johhny_b | Amorphous: what do you mean with disk device? /dev/sda ? |
| 02:08.41 | karsten | tmircea: IIRC woody's 'vi' is nvi. |
| 02:09.04 | Amorphous | johhny_b: yes if that is the disk where you want to install grub |
| 02:09.09 | johhny_b | Amorphous: how do i get that ? i am runing chrooted, cos the gentoo shitcd i am using dosent have grub |
| 02:09.17 | karsten | tmircea: dpkg --get-selections | grep vi |
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| 02:10.08 | johhny_b | Amorphous: i have chrooted to /mnt/ but when i run grub (the command) i get first floppydisk errors so i use grub --no-floppy and get the command prompt |
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| 02:10.45 | juice` | is there anyting similiar in etch to raidtools/raidtools2 package that was once available ? |
| 02:10.53 | Amorphous | johhny_b: mh i think last time i did this like: grub-install --no-floppy /dev/device |
| 02:10.53 | Saint-Takeshi | my USB keydrive isn't happening...i'm using DeMuDi 1.2.1 and it's a Packard Bell Audiomove...the device is identified and the drivers loaded at boot time (i double checked in /var/log/messages), but i can't mount it...it's not /dev/sda1, which it really ought to be... and it doesn't seem to be anything else, but it has all the device info in /proc/usb |
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| 02:10.59 | johhny_b | if i type root (hd0,0) i get : selected disc does not exist |
| 02:11.04 | juice` | i need 'mkraid', but i can't find it |
| 02:11.13 | Saint-Takeshi | anyone help? |
| 02:11.14 | johhny_b | Amorphous: that dosent work, it says i dont have /dev/sda |
| 02:11.21 | MrEntropy | does the apache package come with mod_proxy? |
| 02:11.22 | johhny_b | Amorphous: cos i am runing chrooted |
| 02:11.45 | johhny_b | do the devices are really in /dev/ and i am in /mnt/ as i sayed i am running chrooted |
| 02:11.54 | johhny_b | so my /mnt/dev/ does not have the block device |
| 02:12.05 | johhny_b | understand? |
| 02:12.07 | Amorphous | johhny_b: then just copy sda into the changeroot :) |
| 02:12.17 | Amorphous | i mean the device node file |
| 02:12.21 | johhny_b | Amorphous: ?!= copy ?!? |
| 02:12.34 | chealer_ | juice`: mdadm? |
| 02:13.07 | Amorphous | johhny_b: yes you can copy the file that represents the disk. (like you can copy a link) |
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| 02:13.23 | juice` | chealer_: so there is no mkraid anymore? and what if i made my array with mkraid, do i need any specific packages to run it? |
| 02:13.25 | Amorphous | johhny_b: or use mknod to create one |
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| 02:14.00 | johhny_b | Amorphous: and that will work?` |
| 02:14.04 | Saint-Takeshi | what's a device node file? |
| 02:14.12 | juice` | chealer_: i installed my debian with dbootstrap and im afraid it wont get up after i reboot, thats why i ask. |
| 02:14.23 | juice` | chealer_: maybe i need some raid tools to be able to run it.. |
| 02:14.50 | Amorphous | Saint-Takeshi: i meant "block special file" /dev/sda i such a thing |
| 02:14.50 | chealer_ | juice`: I know nothing abour RAID |
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| 02:14.55 | johhny_b | Amorphous: its a biiiiiiiig file when it gets copyed |
| 02:15.01 | johhny_b | it just gets bigger and bigger |
| 02:15.05 | CyberSlug | I am having excruciating pain compiling what should be a simple task - the kernel : It compiles ifne, but when I reboot, it says: /lib/modules/2.6.15/modules.dep cannot be found, and then goes on to say that devfs is not a valid fs |
| 02:15.09 | CyberSlug | Any ideas? |
| 02:15.22 | Amorphous | johhny_b: stop that |
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| 02:16.03 | Amorphous | johhny_b: you copy the content not the actual file |
| 02:16.10 | juice` | anyone knows what do i need to run RAID other than modules for kernel? |
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| 02:16.52 | Amorphous | johhny_b: if you do ls -l /dev/sda |
| 02:16.57 | Amorphous | you see something like |
| 02:17.01 | nevyn | juice`: two or more disks |
| 02:17.02 | aum | is reiserfs bad for fragmentation, and am i likely to see much performance gain after dump/restore of a reiserfs partition? |
| 02:17.04 | Amorphous | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 2001-11-04 23:51 /dev/sda |
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| 02:17.50 | Amorphous | johhny_b: to create another sda then use: mknod sda b 8 0 |
| 02:18.14 | juice` | nevyn: ;) but where should i configure it, so it will be recognized durning startup. i added /dev/md0 to fastab. is it enough? |
| 02:18.36 | nevyn | juice`: make sure the partitions are the correct type |
| 02:18.38 | Amorphous | anyone any idea bout my ext3 problem? |
| 02:18.41 | dvm1981 | david@neptune:~/test/practice$ cp /etc/profile . |
| 02:18.41 | dvm1981 | mv: cannot remove `/etc/profile': Permission denied |
| 02:18.50 | dvm1981 | Is that normal? |
| 02:19.04 | juice` | nevyn: i have system installed on it, but i didnt reboot to it yet, as it is remote system |
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| 02:19.15 | juice` | nevyn: so i guess they are correct type if files can be written |
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| 02:19.41 | juice` | nevyn: but do i need to specify anywhere that md0 is sda2 and sdb1 |
| 02:19.48 | Amorphous | dvm1981: cp a symlink/alias/copy of mv ? |
| 02:20.01 | dvm1981 | I was trying somethings verry basic, i don't know why i have try this while reading some stuff, but it seems that its not correct |
| 02:20.09 | dijz | Hi, I conect by kppp, but I canot sucesse by wvdial, do you can helpe me? |
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| 02:20.55 | Amorphous | dvm1981: the command is ok, the result is wired. |
| 02:21.01 | dvm1981 | Amorphous: hhhhmmm,,, that can be... But i have not set an alias ont it, it's to stupid to do it, but i looks of somethings have make an alias |
| 02:21.27 | nevyn | juice`: that's a very dangerous assumption |
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| 02:21.40 | Amorphous | dvm1981: check: which cp |
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| 02:21.47 | juice` | nevyn: both are xfs |
| 02:21.49 | nevyn | juice`: if you've manually started the raid they may be normal linux partitions |
| 02:21.58 | dvm1981 | Amorphous: Yes, its about the result that i would like to ask, 'cp' really basic thing, but, the output? |
| 02:22.02 | nevyn | or normal linux raid partitions |
| 02:22.10 | nevyn | they need to be linux raid automount |
| 02:22.31 | juice` | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.39 | nevyn | type FD |
| 02:22.48 | juice` | this is how it looks like (i'm booted to livecd) |
| 02:22.48 | nevyn | that's the filesystem type |
| 02:22.53 | nevyn | not the partition type |
| 02:22.53 | dvm1981 | I have forgot where we setup an alias, in wich file? |
| 02:23.04 | nevyn | dvm1981: what sort of alias |
| 02:23.07 | Phated | .bashrc? |
| 02:23.08 | juice` | oh |
| 02:23.12 | Amorphous | dvm1981: you can check if one is set with: alias cp |
| 02:23.17 | johhny_b | Amorphous: it says that the device does not have a corresponding BIOS drive |
| 02:23.29 | SperMite | do i put the kernel patch in the kernel-source folder? |
| 02:23.37 | dvm1981 | david@neptune:~$ alias cp |
| 02:23.37 | dvm1981 | alias cp='mv -i' |
| 02:23.44 | johhny_b | Amorphous: /dev/sda does not have a corresponding BIOS device |
| 02:23.53 | juice` | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.56 | juice` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:24.01 | dvm1981 | That is verry stupid, Why someone have do that ? |
| 02:24.01 | Amorphous | johhny_b: try with the switch --recheck |
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| 02:24.15 | juice` | nevyn: so i guess its just Linux. is it bad? |
| 02:24.22 | dvm1981 | Hoella, i must be check somethings i think |
| 02:24.28 | Amorphous | dvm1981: to trick you |
| 02:24.30 | nevyn | juice`: it's not bad.. |
| 02:24.36 | johhny_b | Amorphous: same thing |
| 02:24.36 | nevyn | if it were a normal linux filesystem |
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| 02:25.07 | nevyn | if you want the kernel to detect it and automount it (because for example it's got your root filesystem on it then it's just not going to work as desired |
| 02:25.13 | dvm1981 | Amorphous: Is that normal that i have a such alias of cp ? |
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| 02:25.34 | juice` | nevyn: oh.. yes, this is what i wanted. i have also /dev/sdb1 also Linux and its in raid with sda2 |
| 02:25.43 | Amorphous | dvm1981: no |
| 02:25.48 | juice` | nevyn: any way to change it without loosing data? |
| 02:25.50 | dvm1981 | Amorphous: So now looking to remove it, but i forgot in wich file it is stored |
| 02:25.56 | nevyn | juice`: sure. |
| 02:26.04 | Azar | dvm1981: you were doing the practice wrong |
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| 02:26.13 | nevyn | just change the partition type using <partitioning tool of choice> |
| 02:26.16 | Amorphous | johhny_b: do you have a diskdrive or a cd with grub on it? |
| 02:26.24 | johhny_b | Amorphous: nope :( |
| 02:26.26 | SperMite | rmdir -rf is this right? |
| 02:26.26 | nevyn | parted, cfdisk, fdisk |
| 02:26.29 | Amorphous | johhny_b: i meant floppydrive |
| 02:26.34 | johhny_b | Amorphous: nope |
| 02:26.34 | dvm1981 | Azar: I not understand |
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| 02:26.40 | juice` | navyn: just like that? i can do it with fdisk for example? great |
| 02:26.41 | Azar | dvm1981: do the tutorial again |
| 02:26.43 | johhny_b | Amorphous: dont have floppydrive even |
| 02:26.54 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-basics.html#s-basics-files |
| 02:27.00 | juice` | navym: t change a partition's system id |
| 02:27.09 | juice` | navym: probably this one. i always thought it will erase my data |
| 02:27.18 | Saint-Takeshi | could it be an fstab thing? |
| 02:27.50 | Amorphous | Saint-Takeshi: i don't think so |
| 02:27.59 | Azar | dvm1981: mkdir practice : you create a directory named practice / then you cd /practice to go in it |
| 02:28.01 | dvm1981 | Azar: I not understand what i do wrong, can you explain it please |
| 02:28.17 | Amorphous | but i did have problems with grub-install myself... just don't remember how exactly i got it working... |
| 02:28.32 | Amorphous | johhny_b: do you have a cd writer? |
| 02:28.33 | Azar | dvm1981: then while up in /practice create another directory (subdirectory of practice) mkdir mysubdirectory |
| 02:28.33 | juice` | navym: /dev/sda2 16 24792 199021252+ fd Linux raid autodetect and the second one: /dev/sdb1 1 24792 199141708+ fd Linux raid autodetect |
| 02:28.46 | johhny_b | Amorphous: yes but no cds :( |
| 02:28.51 | tyler | can i pc fax with slackware? after i scan in a document into hdd? |
| 02:28.54 | Amorphous | heh |
| 02:28.54 | juice` | navym: thank you :) anything other i need to check? |
| 02:28.59 | dvm1981 | Azar: Right ... |
| 02:29.05 | Azar | dvm1981: there you copy a file from /etc : cp /etc/profile (without .) |
| 02:29.06 | johhny_b | Amorphous: hehe or else i would not be here :)) |
| 02:29.27 | nevyn | juice`: spelling of people's names is something I always like to get right. |
| 02:29.28 | Azar | dvm1981: then you want to view the content: more profile |
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| 02:29.53 | juice` | nevyn: excuse me, im on poor terminal, didnt notice im not matching |
| 02:29.55 | Azar | dvm1981: to see if it is identical with the original do more /etc/profile |
| 02:30.15 | nevyn | juice`: use a better irc client ;) |
| 02:30.20 | dvm1981 | david@neptune:~/test/practice$ cp /etc/profile |
| 02:30.20 | dvm1981 | mv: missing file argument |
| 02:30.20 | dvm1981 | Try `mv --help' for more information. |
| 02:30.21 | SperMite | How do i Remove A full Directory |
| 02:30.31 | nevyn | juice`: it was somewhat tounge in cheek which transmits poorly in text |
| 02:30.32 | Azar | dvm1981: here is where you are wrong : mv profile mysubdirectory (the correct move) |
| 02:30.52 | Azar | dvm1981: you are moving the file "profile" from /practice, up to /mysubdirectory |
| 02:30.59 | liable | SperMite: rm -r /foo ;man rm |
| 02:31.03 | nevyn | juice`: but the reason is that then it highlights in their terminal beeps etc... |
| 02:31.33 | juice` | nevyn: ok, sure, i usually don't do that. Anyways, any other things i could forget about? :) |
| 02:31.35 | johhny_b | Amorphous: ideas? |
| 02:31.36 | Amorphous | johhny_b: get into the grub shell (just grub). then type cat (<tab> |
| 02:31.37 | Azar | dvm1981: since you are still in /practice do ls the file profile is gone if you do ls mysubdirectory you will see the "profile" file moved there |
| 02:31.48 | Jazbo | Hi folks, whenever I install a package my system spends a good 20 minutes configuring EVERY locale. I there a way to make it only set up the locale I'm using? |
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| 02:31.56 | juice` | nevyn: i mean, i could forgot about |
| 02:32.18 | dvm1981 | david@neptune:~/test/practice/mysubdirectory$ cd /etc/profile |
| 02:32.18 | dvm1981 | bash: cd: /etc/profile: Not a directory |
| 02:32.32 | dvm1981 | david@neptune:~/test/practice/mysubdirectory$ ls |
| 02:32.32 | dvm1981 | david@neptune:~/test/practice/mysubdirectory$ |
| 02:32.42 | Amorphous | johhny_b: and past what you get |
| 02:33.07 | dvm1981 | Azar: There are somethings wrong what you are seeing or i not understand. |
| 02:33.17 | johhny_b | Amorphous: huh? cat tab gives me filename must be either an absolute pathname or blocklist |
| 02:33.20 | npx | dvm1981, whats your native language? |
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| 02:33.34 | Azar | dvm1981: clean what you did so far, rm files and rmdir directories until you get clear there |
| 02:33.45 | dvm1981 | But my problem seem that there is an alias created that replace the 'cp' command with 'mv -i' |
| 02:33.46 | Azar | dvm1981: then do the tutorial again and read carefully |
| 02:33.58 | dvm1981 | npx: Dutch |
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| 02:34.22 | Amorphous | johhny_b: you forgot the "(" before hitting tab |
| 02:34.38 | eps | is any one aware of a program that files dupe files (based on size and fuzzy filename detection) for linux? |
| 02:34.42 | npx | dvm1981, not to be an asshole or anything, but you might find #Debian-de a bit more helpful |
| 02:34.42 | Azar | dvm1981: the tutorial is teaching you how to create files and directories, copy files, remove files and directories |
| 02:34.50 | johhny_b | Amorphous: that give me nothing |
| 02:34.53 | johhny_b | empty |
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| 02:35.50 | juice` | nevyn: guess thats all then? ok thanks |
| 02:36.02 | dvm1981 | npx: Thats for Germans, im speeking 'Dutch' |
| 02:36.24 | npx | hahaah my bad |
| 02:36.30 | npx | I'm American, forgive me! |
| 02:36.33 | Azar | dvm1981: if you have created a crap alias then change it mv means "move" cp means "copy" |
| 02:36.39 | nevyn | juice`: that should be it. |
| 02:36.43 | npx | Is there a #Debian channel for teh dutch language? |
| 02:36.53 | gravity | !dutch |
| 02:36.53 | dpkg | dutch is probably soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl |
| 02:36.54 | karsten | npx: #ubuntu ;-) |
| 02:36.56 | nevyn | juice`: I don't even think you need a /etc/mdconf type thing anymore |
| 02:37.03 | npx | karsten, =( |
| 02:37.08 | ni1s_ | When my kernel 2.4 boots, it gets to a "Detecting Hardware" and tells me 'some-stuff' is unavalible/built-in, is this preoces needed? if not, can one turn it off? |
| 02:37.12 | johhny_b | Amorphous: i am running in a chrooted enviroment so i can use grub or it complins that i dont have grub in /sbin/grub, and its a cd so i cant just copy over the files |
| 02:37.48 | karsten | johhny_b: You can create filesystems using ramfs and mount them where you need 'em. |
| 02:37.51 | dvm1981 | Azar: Yes, i do not why you are seeing that im go bad with it, because i have a simple trouble with an alias that are previously created. |
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| 02:37.55 | karsten | johhny_b: What CD have you booted? |
| 02:38.01 | johhny_b | karsten: stupid gentoo shit cd |
| 02:38.10 | Amorphous | johhny_b: but you have the rw mounted partition, right? |
| 02:38.22 | Azar | dvm1981: if you learned how to make an alias surely you learned how to undo it |
| 02:38.27 | johhny_b | Amorphous: yes sirs |
| 02:38.34 | karsten | dvm1981: 'help unalias' |
| 02:38.38 | worthy | how do i start my ssh server please? |
| 02:38.39 | ni1s_ | Everything I need is built-in, so why bother with this step? |
| 02:38.59 | ni1s_ | worthy, /etc/init.d/sshd start |
| 02:39.14 | worthy | thanks |
| 02:39.20 | dvm1981 | karsten: Thankx for the help |
| 02:39.29 | karsten | dvm1981: np |
| 02:40.28 | worthy | thanks nils |
| 02:40.32 | worthy | nils_ |
| 02:40.41 | ni1s_ | np |
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| 02:41.05 | karsten | johhny_b: You're doing a Debian chroot install under the Gentoo install disk? |
| 02:41.19 | aghaster | does anyone know of a good IDE to use with C++ on debian? |
| 02:41.25 | johhny_b | karsten: yes :) heh |
| 02:41.47 | tristezo2k | Hi! How can I Upgrade a single package in stable? |
| 02:41.47 | dvs | aghaster: xemacs ;-) |
| 02:41.49 | litage | when someone refers to a "softswitch", what are they talking about? |
| 02:41.53 | tristezo2k | I need to upgrade shorewall... |
| 02:42.10 | ni1s_ | Nobody knows what "Detecting Hardware" actualy dose? |
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| 02:42.25 | tristezo2k | litage: in Voip, a softswitch means a sip server. |
| 02:42.42 | karsten | Amorphous: Note that to copy device files properly you need to do a '-p' to preserve attributes. I generally do 'cp -padr' myself. |
| 02:42.56 | dvs | nils_: Sounds like discover but I don't know for sure |
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| 02:43.07 | litage | tristezo2k: ah i see |
| 02:43.13 | karsten | johhny_b: Do the install first. Install grub under your chroot. *then* worry about grub. You'll have it from Debian. |
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| 02:43.22 | null | hi all |
| 02:43.30 | dvs | null: Oi |
| 02:43.32 | null | how do i manage the startup services? |
| 02:43.43 | ni1s_ | dvs, ok thansk, il look in to that |
| 02:43.43 | null | lol |
| 02:43.46 | karsten | null: man update-rc.d |
| 02:43.49 | Amorphous | karsten: oh mh yea :) |
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| 02:44.21 | karsten | Amorphous: ... w/o the '-p' you're copying the device data, not the device file entry. |
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| 02:45.03 | CoolWeb | i did it!!!! |
| 02:45.09 | dvs | !beer CoolWeb |
| 02:45.13 | Amorphous | karsten: yea i forgot, because i allways use -a |
| 02:45.30 | lindenle | i am getting the message : "modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-0" and it is filling up my log directory can anyone tell me what this means? |
| 02:45.36 | CoolWeb | i love the new X |
| 02:45.39 | CoolWeb | version |
| 02:45.46 | dvs | lindenle: Your sound card, specifically ALSA |
| 02:45.59 | Amorphous | anyone any idea about my ext3 problem? |
| 02:46.08 | karsten | lindenle: You probably want to find out what's modprobing sound, and stop it. |
| 02:46.17 | karsten | Amorphous: re-ask. |
| 02:46.50 | karsten | Amorphous: I've an idea it concerns disks. |
| 02:46.51 | lindenle | karsten: I have kernel 2.4.19 does this have alsa without patching? |
| 02:46.59 | dvs | lindenle: nope |
| 02:47.11 | lindenle | k' |
| 02:47.14 | dvs | Is 2.4.19 an official Debian kernel? |
| 02:47.15 | karsten | lindenle: check /boot/config-$( uname -r ) |
| 02:47.18 | Amorphous | i have a ~500GB lvm volume with ext3 on it, running a selfcompiled kernel from debian source version 2.6.12-10 . rm on many files causes it to eventually get remounted ro so it needs fschk. and an even more interesting thing is i can't unmount it (busy) if i boot with init S (no processes running besides bash and it's parents and some from the kernel; i checked the output from lsof and it doesn't contain any file near the mountpoint; mount |
| 02:47.18 | Amorphous | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:47.45 | Amorphous | oh and no smart errors. |
| 02:48.03 | karsten | Amorphous: Sounds like possible FS corruption. What's the drive? IDE or SATA? |
| 02:48.06 | lindenle | karsten: no alsa mentioned there but the package alsa-base is installed |
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| 02:48.31 | dvs | lindenle: apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 02:48.45 | lindenle | this is a server i dont want any sound |
| 02:48.54 | lindenle | i am just curious why this just started happening |
| 02:48.56 | dvs | lindenle: Oh, sorry |
| 02:48.58 | Amorphous | karsten: some sata on two controlers and one pata on another |
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| 02:49.05 | Tenkawa | whats the dpkg keyword to fix the authenticated package thing? |
| 02:49.14 | Tenkawa | and the 2006 pgp key |
| 02:49.18 | dvs | lindenle: If you don't want sound then you don't want alsa-base either |
| 02:49.18 | karsten | lindenle: 'lsmod | grep alsa' |
| 02:49.38 | lindenle | karsten: nada |
| 02:49.38 | dvs | !2006 key |
| 02:49.38 | dpkg | it has been said that 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. installing this package may not be auto-verifiable; OR! you can install the key as follow, explicitly trusting the keyserver with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - && apt-get update |
| 02:49.43 | Tenkawa | thanks |
| 02:49.45 | lindenle | should i just remove alsa-base |
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| 02:49.53 | karsten | lindenle: Sounds like no also. I'm weak on sound. |
| 02:50.01 | karsten | lindenle: Sounds like a plan. |
| 02:50.06 | Amorphous | karsten: yes the fs gets corrupt but fsck.ext3 -f should fix/detect any corruption, right? |
| 02:50.22 | Tenkawa | much better thanks |
| 02:50.32 | lindenle | karsten: maybe there is some cron job or something that keeps trying to start alsa |
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| 02:51.32 | Amorphous | karsten: and i get different errors in dmesg each time it happens... |
| 02:51.32 | lindenle | karsetn: i really should just disable the sound card in bios anyway |
| 02:51.45 | lindenle | karsten: but to many users on the system to take it down |
| 02:52.00 | Amorphous | karsten: any idea? or at least an idea about the umount problem? |
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| 02:52.39 | karsten | Amorphous: If you can spare the data, try building a couple of bare (non-LVM) partitions and formatting those. |
| 02:52.52 | karsten | Amorphous: I don't know what integrity checking tools there are for LVM, sorry. |
| 02:52.57 | lindenle | karsten: no luck.... |
| 02:53.11 | karsten | lindenle: Schedule maintenance ;-) |
| 02:53.45 | lindenle | karsten: yeppers, but i only got to 170 days :( |
| 02:54.20 | litage | i have "source /etc/bash-aliases" at the end of /etc/profile . after booting, the aliases are accessible in each tty, but not in an xterm. how can i make the aliases avaliable to all users when they open up an xterm? |
| 02:54.56 | aghaster | hum... how do i install an i386 .deb package on an amd64 debian sarge machine? it tells me its incompatible when i try to run dpkg -i on the package |
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| 02:55.30 | Amorphous | karsten: why should there be any special integrity checking tools for lvm? perhaps pretend it is a dos-type partition for now :) |
| 02:55.43 | lindenle | karsten: well i found the process that is doing it at least |
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| 02:56.02 | karsten | Amorphous: Dunno. It's got it's own way of doing things. |
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| 02:56.39 | Amorphous | karsten: to be correct it's lvm2. so just pretend it is a normal partittion, whats your idea then? |
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| 02:57.15 | karsten | Amorphous: Unfortunately, RH picked up Systina and are in the process of Yezkovifying all documentation. |
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| 02:57.35 | karsten | Amorphous: Read the LVM HOWTO. |
| 02:58.26 | Amorphous | karsten: i have no problem with lvm but with an ext3 filesystem on a partition |
| 02:59.05 | karsten | Amorphous: Right. My SOP is to reduce the problem to its simplest form. That would involve getting LVM out of the picture. |
| 02:59.18 | karsten | Amorphous: That's *my* SOP. This is *your* problem. |
| 03:00.40 | chealer_ | !raidtools |
| 03:00.40 | dpkg | somebody said raidtools was a obsolete package. use raidtools2 instead |
| 03:01.17 | chealer_ | dpkg: raidtools =~ s/raidtools2/mdadm/ |
| 03:01.17 | dpkg | OK, chealer_ |
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| 03:03.19 | Amorphous | karsten: ok i thought you had some idea if it wouldn't involve lvm.... do you have any idea why i can't umount it? |
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| 03:03.44 | SerajewelKS | random question of the day: given MD5 security issues, and rumors of SHA-1 security issues, would using *both* MD5 and SHA-1 sums to verify a file be any more secure? |
| 03:04.09 | peterS | SerajewelKS: yes, it's approximately equivalent to using sha-1 with 128+160 bits instead of 160 bits |
| 03:04.24 | dvm1981 | SerajewelKS: I like that '' random question of the day |
| 03:04.35 | peterS | SerajewelKS: since md5 uses 128 bits and sha-1 uses 160 bits. using both is like using that many bits |
| 03:04.52 | karsten | Amorphous: No. |
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| 03:04.59 | SerajewelKS | peterS: ah, okay. the usage of a different algorithm for the +128 bits doesn't make it any harder to forge a collision? |
| 03:05.03 | Amorphous | peterS: security of a hash doesn't depent on the bits |
| 03:05.15 | peterS | Amorphous: sure it does, among other things |
| 03:05.47 | lindenle | is there a way in a bash script to record the name of the program that called the script |
| 03:05.51 | peterS | SerajewelKS: not really any harder. possibly easier, since md5 and sha-1 are related algorithms, so there might be a way to use the similarities to reduce the attack space below what you'd expect from 128+160 bits |
| 03:06.00 | Amorphous | peterS: but it is not the primary factor that makes a different algo more secure than another one |
| 03:06.02 | SerajewelKS | peterS: okay |
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| 03:06.10 | SerajewelKS | peterS: didn't really need that for anything, just asking =) |
| 03:06.29 | peterS | Amorphous: in the case of a family of algorithms like md4/md5/sha*, it is though, since they're not all that different from each other |
| 03:06.45 | dvm1981 | SerajewelKS: The question of the day :-) |
| 03:06.56 | SerajewelKS | dvm1981: the *random* question of the day ;) |
| 03:06.58 | tengulre11 | hi,all! |
| 03:07.09 | tengulre11 | how to install GTK library? |
| 03:07.37 | dvm1981 | SerajewelKS: I come back the next day for the next question :-) |
| 03:07.46 | SerajewelKS | i guess the main trick with digests is making it difficult or impossible to form a *meaningful* collision |
| 03:07.48 | dvm1981 | SerajewelKS: ;-0 |
| 03:07.49 | peterS | SerajewelKS: using two unrelated hash algorithms which are both considered secure would be equivalent to using a single secure hash with that number of bits. since md5 and sha-1 have both been significantly weakened, I'm not sure how you calculate the effective bit strength left, when you use them together |
| 03:07.53 | chealer_ | lindenle: ask #bash |
| 03:07.54 | lindenle | what would call the command: /sbin/modprobe -s -k -- sound-service-0-0 every 30 seconds or so? |
| 03:08.17 | SerajewelKS | peterS: assuming that both algorithms were not insecure though, using different ones means that if one is broken, the other is not (yet anyway) |
| 03:08.51 | peterS | SerajewelKS: true, it is hedging one's bets |
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| 03:09.10 | SerajewelKS | peterS: not really more secure mathematically, but, well, you know |
| 03:09.17 | SerajewelKS | peterS: kind of like not running daemons as root |
| 03:09.35 | peterS | SerajewelKS: assuming the two algorithms are different enough that an attack on one doesn't weaken both. md5/sha1 are sorta similar so I'm not sure if that would've been safe to assume back before they were weakened |
| 03:09.43 | SerajewelKS | peterS: ah okay |
| 03:09.45 | SerajewelKS | brb, meeting |
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| 03:10.18 | lindenle | ok looks like it wass xmms someone was running in a vnx=c session |
| 03:10.21 | lindenle | vnc |
| 03:10.24 | lindenle | WTF |
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| 03:12.39 | Jake | is there a compiler config (gcc i assume) around so i can alter it too use both of my cpu's ? |
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| 03:13.17 | kingsley | lindenle: How can one tell if a process was run under vnc? |
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| 03:15.17 | juice` | i created RAID with mkraid, eveything was fine, and when i reboot i get this: 'mount: /dev/md0: can't read superblock' |
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| 03:15.30 | juice` | any idea what could go wrong and why it doesnt even want to mount? |
| 03:15.52 | juice` | of course i created filesystem there (on md0) and written some files before i rebooted |
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| 03:16.12 | justin | juice`: mdadm is lots simpler |
| 03:16.21 | lindenle | kingsley: I had just talked to the user two days ago about vnc so just a guess...either way it does not make much sense as sound is not forwarded in VNC or SSH |
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| 03:16.35 | puff | How do I list the packages that a given package depends on? |
| 03:16.48 | juice` | justin: well i will try with this one now, but what could go wrong? it was already detecting it, and i filled it with files |
| 03:17.06 | juice` | justing: and after reboot - something like that when i do mount -t xfs /dev/md0 /mnt |
| 03:17.08 | kingsley | puff: dpkg -s <package-name> |
| 03:17.27 | ezu | what is the source for getting stuff like mplayer and other odd and end apps? |
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| 03:17.54 | dvs | yay! |
| 03:18.00 | chealer_ | !tell ezu about mplayer |
| 03:18.13 | chealer_ | ezu: what do you mean by "odd and end"? |
| 03:18.24 | puff | Trying to install a php app that requires php 4.3.3+, which my hosting provider reports depends on apache 2.0 (he's running 1.3 currently). My own debian install is already at 2.0, which makes it harder to sort out what depends on what :-). |
| 03:19.11 | abrotman | ok .. fine .. ask and leave |
| 03:19.50 | chealer_ | did he ask something? |
| 03:19.52 | ezu | just differnt packages im not really sure |
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| 03:20.18 | chealer_ | ezu: hum, I don't understand what you mean |
| 03:20.53 | cem_ | hey im trying to use a new monitor, but when i plug it in it says out of frequency, what do i need to do to edit my display setting? |
| 03:20.54 | abrotman | chealer_: puff did |
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| 03:21.14 | dvs | !drxx cem_ |
| 03:21.14 | dpkg | cem_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:21.19 | abrotman | puff: ask #php .. but i seriously doubt php 4.3.3 depends on apache2 |
| 03:21.26 | puff | that was annoying... did "sudo dpkg -s php4" and my emacs/erc session died. |
| 03:21.27 | puff | Depends: libapache-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-16) | libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-16), php4-common (>= 4:4.3.10-16) |
| 03:21.48 | puff | abrotman: From what folks over in #drupal say, yeah, this appears to be an artifact of apt. |
| 03:21.54 | abrotman | puff: yeah .. it's apache1 or apache2 |
| 03:22.09 | abrotman | puff: see the | .. that means one or the other |
| 03:22.21 | puff | abrotman: Hm... okay, I'll call my hosting guy back. |
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| 03:22.37 | puff | abrotman: It may be that he tried to just "apt-get install php4" and it tried to upgrade to apache2 on him. |
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| 03:22.46 | puff | abrotman: Is it doable to selectively not-upgrade? |
| 03:22.59 | chealer_ | usually it's rather the opposite that happens |
| 03:23.02 | abrotman | not upgrade what ? |
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| 03:23.14 | chealer_ | but apt is indeed painful with alternatives sometimes |
| 03:23.24 | abrotman | puff: the default when you do that is to install php4 .. if you isntall the deps independently .. it should work just fine |
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| 03:23.42 | lindenle | how would one set up a round robin for ssh logins? i.e. 3 machines that answer in a load balancing way ssh logins. |
| 03:24.07 | abrotman | dns should handle that .. i'd think anyways |
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| 03:24.15 | sulo | hi |
| 03:24.18 | Lee__ | lindenle, LVS can do RR and other types of load balancing. |
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| 03:24.19 | lindenle | abrotman: so just round robin dns |
| 03:24.51 | puff | abrotman: I'm a bit confused... |
| 03:24.52 | fusion_ | what files do i need to watch videos online with konqueror? |
| 03:25.04 | Lee__ | fusion_, video files |
| 03:25.07 | abrotman | lindenle: i'd think .. but i've never tried to do round robin ssh |
| 03:25.08 | lindenle | Lee_ ok thx i will check that out |
| 03:25.11 | abrotman | puff: apparently :) |
| 03:25.29 | fusion_ | i mean packages.... |
| 03:25.36 | Lee__ | I don't know which is simpler. I use LVS for HTTP load balancing but I'm assuming SSH would be similar. |
| 03:26.09 | puff | abrotman: So what do I need to ask him to do? |
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| 03:26.34 | Lee__ | how do I ask APT to show me all packages from a specific repo in sources.list? |
| 03:27.20 | abrotman | puff: apt is a him? |
| 03:27.30 | puff | abrotman: the hosting guy is a him. |
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| 03:27.33 | abrotman | Lee__: afaik .. you can't .. check man apt-cache |
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| 03:27.52 | abrotman | puff: install the deps .. libapache-mod-php4 etc .. should be fine |
| 03:27.59 | abrotman | !tell _root____ about root |
| 03:28.15 | fusion_ | mmm someone is using my nick and is registered... what can i do? |
| 03:28.29 | puff | abrotman: Ah, you mean he should selectively and specifically install the dependent packages, rahter than relying on apt to automatically select them? |
| 03:28.31 | shad0w1e | question: I reinstalled my system and now all files that were in a certain group are now in a group called "1004". Is there an easy way to recreate the group and have all the files with that group of "1004" get back their original group name? |
| 03:28.33 | Phated | Lee__: apt-cache search " " | less |
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| 03:28.39 | chealer_ | fusion_: which nick? ask #freenode? |
| 03:28.46 | fusion_ | hhhm |
| 03:29.15 | Lee__ | Phated, ha! Perhaps download the Packages file. This guy is redirecting index.html so I can't see what directories are in the repo. |
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| 03:29.33 | Phated | fusion_: Did you register your nick? If so, /msg nickserv ghost <password>. |
| 03:29.59 | chealer_ | fusion_: your question is too vague. a package or program can only work with some video formats, not all |
| 03:30.31 | abrotman | or just register .. should grab it back |
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| 03:30.55 | liable | gone-diddly-dong |
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| 03:31.02 | puff | abrotman: Thanks... called him, he'll give it a shot. |
| 03:31.11 | abrotman | puff: okeedokee |
| 03:31.20 | peterS | abrotman: eh? you have to be a nick in order to register it |
| 03:31.40 | weenix | when i run locale -a i got locale: cannot set LC-CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory. |
| 03:32.03 | UnixNerd | mater vam jebem |
| 03:32.09 | weenix | the same to LC_MESSAGES and LC_COLLATE |
| 03:32.18 | UnixNerd | imatel vi oni kreditnih kurtica |
| 03:32.22 | peterS | weenix: what do you have LANG or the LC_ variables set to? |
| 03:32.27 | UnixNerd | i need some fresh CC |
| 03:32.37 | weenix | en_us utf8 |
| 03:32.38 | UnixNerd | where can i find one |
| 03:32.47 | puff | abrotman: Unfortunately, while I was here, he left the hosting center to go feed his girlfriend's dogs, so I'll have to wait for him to get back there :-)". |
| 03:32.51 | peterS | weenix: that's not valid, maybe you want en_US.UTF-8? |
| 03:32.56 | ezu | dpkg doesnt tell me anything about k3b, is there a way to get that installed from deb package? |
| 03:32.57 | dpkg | ezu: that's too long |
| 03:33.06 | abrotman | puff: damn dogs! |
| 03:33.11 | peterS | ezu: do you know how to use apt-cache? |
| 03:33.14 | abrotman | ezu: in etch? |
| 03:33.15 | weenix | i execute dpkg-reconfigure locales and set en_us.utf-8 |
| 03:33.23 | ezu | yes, its not found in there, and yes etch |
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| 03:33.35 | abrotman | peterS: didn't he say he had it registered? |
| 03:33.39 | weenix | it show the same error message |
| 03:33.40 | peterS | ezu: maybe it fell victim to the KDE C++ ABI transition troubles |
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| 03:34.02 | abrotman | etch has no k3b currently .. among other KDE items |
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| 03:34.22 | ezu | abrotman, any idea how long it will be before they get added? |
| 03:34.31 | abrotman | ezu: not a clue |
| 03:34.43 | abrotman | ezu: you could inquire in #debian-kde |
| 03:35.04 | ezu | k, thanks :) |
| 03:35.19 | GuMbY | I'm on Debian Stable. I want to use apt to switch to Debian Testing to get an updated kernel... then switch right back to Debian Stable. Two questions: (1) Will it be a problem running debian stable packages on debian testing kernel? (2) how do I switch my sources.list to testing (is it possible without hand-editing sources.list)?? |
| 03:35.23 | weenix | peterS, it's kind of local-archive is broken. how to reinstall glibc-common? |
| 03:36.03 | abrotman | GuMbY: just install the kernel from etch .. don't change your sources |
| 03:36.04 | peterS | ezu: according to 'grep-excuses k3b' (part of the 'devscripts' package), it still needs to be built on mips and mipsel, and needs at least 3 more days of seasoning in unstable |
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| 03:36.28 | abrotman | peterS: i think it's failed to build there for a few weeks |
| 03:36.48 | peterS | ezu: another way to get similar information is '/msg dpkg why is k3b not in testing' |
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| 03:37.03 | ezu | peterS, ok cool thanks, where would i get that info? |
| 03:37.17 | abrotman | !why is k3b not in testing |
| 03:37.18 | dpkg | k3b is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
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| 03:37.27 | peterS | ezu: I told you two places just now. 'grep-excuses k3b' from the devscripts package, and the URL dpkg tells you when you ask it |
| 03:37.44 | GuMbY | Abrotman: I'm running 2.6.8 (latest in Stable) and crypto (i.e. WEP) isn't working on my wireless NIC. I think this is because I need to update my kernel. How do I know which patch to apply?? (I assume apt-cache search kernel-patch??) |
| 03:37.45 | abrotman | peterS: the URL gives many more failed arches |
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| 03:38.04 | abrotman | GuMbY: you can just grab the kernel from etch and install it |
| 03:38.06 | peterS | abrotman: so does grep-excuses, but grep-excuses notes that arm and m68k do not count at the moment |
| 03:38.22 | abrotman | peterS: because they failed the etch release criteria ? |
| 03:38.24 | ezu | well ment grep-excuses .. ill have to install that package |
| 03:38.28 | abrotman | or currently fail anyways |
| 03:38.31 | peterS | abrotman: yep |
| 03:38.50 | abrotman | peterS: i still disagree with the criteria .. but i guess my thoughts don't matter :) |
| 03:38.50 | weenix | when i run sudo rhythmbox i got locale not supported by C library. what i can do? |
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| 03:39.04 | peterS | abrotman: more precisely, because the release managers have told the testing scripts to ignore those archs, for whatever reason - sometimes because they've failed release criteria, sometimes because they're temporarily too backed up and would stall everything |
| 03:39.04 | abrotman | wtf would run rhythmbox as root ? |
| 03:39.33 | abrotman | the way that URL reads ... etch isn't likely to have k3b for a while |
| 03:39.40 | GuMbY | Abrotman: Ahh, I see. got it. That's what I wanted to do in the first place... how do I "grab the kernel from etch"??? |
| 03:39.57 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, agreed, it seems a lot of KDE needs to get their act together if any of it is to migrate |
| 03:40.04 | abrotman | GuMbY: with your super cool web browser :) |
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| 03:40.10 | weenix | i can't fine locale-archive |
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| 03:40.13 | abrotman | peterS: or all of kde :) |
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| 03:41.15 | GuMbY | Abrotman: but packages.debian.org is down? (sorry if I'm being dense & missing something) |
| 03:41.27 | croddy | its been like that for a couple of years |
| 03:41.31 | abrotman | GuMbY: what is your cpu ? |
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| 03:42.08 | GuMbY | i686 (intel centrino) |
| 03:42.10 | secher | what do i want to install for a jre? |
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| 03:42.20 | abrotman | !tell secher about install java |
| 03:42.25 | peterS | weenix: probably "LC_ALL=C locale -a" |
| 03:42.47 | secher | abrotman: Thanks man. |
| 03:42.48 | peterS | weenix: that gives you that list of valid ones you wanted |
| 03:42.55 | abrotman | GuMbY: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/kernel-image-2.6-686_2.6.12-10_i386.deb ... i *think* |
| 03:42.58 | chealer_ | k3b couldn't transition to etch when c2a transitionned due to a not yet investigated RC bug. now it can't transition due to the dbus transition like many KDE packages |
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| 03:43.08 | abrotman | chealer_: admit it .. kde sucks |
| 03:43.16 | houn | Hmm. |
| 03:43.19 | houn | The problems begin |
| 03:43.21 | weenix | C |
| 03:43.21 | weenix | POSIX |
| 03:43.21 | weenix | en_US.utf8 |
| 03:43.21 | weenix | zh_CN |
| 03:43.22 | weenix | zh_CN.gb2312 |
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| 03:43.32 | peterS | man, some people's kids. |
| 03:43.42 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:44.04 | abrotman | weenix: don't paste in this channel |
| 03:44.04 | weenix | i was kicked by flood. sorry. |
| 03:44.20 | weenix | i just too tired to type |
| 03:44.39 | houn | deadcat: Yo, question |
| 03:44.42 | GuMbY | abrotman: I'm good with the URL but I dont understand what I'm looking in "main/l/linux..." where does the "/l/" directory come from? |
| 03:44.57 | chealer_ | abrotman: let's wait until tarzeau gets here to start about that |
| 03:44.57 | abrotman | GuMbY: i gave you the direct URL to the package |
| 03:45.02 | abrotman | chealer_: heh |
| 03:45.15 | weenix | peterS, you got the list, what i can do now? |
| 03:45.16 | peterS | GuMbY: first letter in the package name 'linux-2.6' |
| 03:45.25 | houn | deadcat: dist-upgrade just died on udev_0.076-6 |
| 03:45.26 | GuMbY | ahh, thx |
| 03:45.30 | peterS | weenix: no I didn't, I got a small bit of the list before you were correctly kicked off for flooding |
| 03:45.48 | GuMbY | abrotman: cool, thx!! |
| 03:45.51 | abrotman | s/correctly/justly/ :) |
| 03:45.53 | peterS | weenix: more importantly *you* got the list. use something from that list as the locale variable(s) you set |
| 03:46.16 | weenix | how to set locale variable(s)? |
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| 03:46.51 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:47.01 | chealer_ | wow, k3b's maintainer is amazing |
| 03:47.11 | weenix | abrotman, i did it twice |
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| 03:47.20 | abrotman | amazing? .. he can't even get a package in testing :) |
| 03:47.25 | weenix | abrotman, i got the same error. |
| 03:47.27 | abrotman | weenix: and? |
| 03:47.45 | GuMbY | ack :/ |
| 03:47.45 | houn | Question - upgrading to Testing. udev dies, says it needs a kernel 2.6.12 or better. I'm not seeing any packages for anything other than 2.6.8? |
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| 03:47.58 | weenix | abrotman, maybe it's like my locale-archive is broken. |
| 03:48.03 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 03:48.11 | abrotman | why are you running rhythmbox as root ? |
| 03:48.29 | weenix | abrotman, because my music in on a ntfs partitions |
| 03:48.37 | chealer_ | abrotman: you and your C. when C# KDE4 gets in Debian, we'll kick gnome's ass |
| 03:48.42 | abrotman | weenix: and? |
| 03:48.56 | deadcat | houn: got home, getting cstrike to werk. kinna busy right now (= |
| 03:48.57 | chealer_ | !tell houn about 2.6.12 |
| 03:48.59 | weenix | abrotman, i have to mount -t ntfs and then use rhythmbox to play it |
| 03:49.10 | abrotman | chealer_: it's not about C/C++ for me .. i actually prefer C++ more .. it's just that KDE doesn't work well with me |
| 03:49.50 | chealer_ | abrotman: yeah, I was talking about the etch k3b/amarok/kaffeine/digikam/etc issues |
| 03:50.16 | croddy | if only there were some sort of mount option to allow users to access an ntfs partition |
| 03:50.26 | gidi | chealer_: stop writing stupid things about C# |
| 03:50.27 | abrotman | amazingly .. there is |
| 03:50.33 | croddy | are you for real |
| 03:50.38 | abrotman | chealer_: that was the dev's fault |
| 03:50.48 | abrotman | croddy: sure |
| 03:50.53 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 03:50.54 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 03:51.03 | chealer_ | gidi: I'm writing stupid things, why should I make sense about C#? |
| 03:51.29 | gidi | chealer_: if C# didn't exist the world would be the same or better |
| 03:51.44 | abrotman | it's another language .. nothing more/less |
| 03:51.46 | houn | chealer_: That's all well and good, so why does Testing default to a higher version of udev than .58? |
| 03:51.48 | HermanDE | C this and C that.... Assembly is where the speed is actually hidden... |
| 03:52.01 | chealer_ | gidi: when KDE gets rewritten in C#, gnome will disappear and everyone will use KDE |
| 03:52.11 | abrotman | hahah |
| 03:52.16 | gidi | abrotman: a language must have a meaning, not just another Cx because our implementation is better... |
| 03:52.17 | abrotman | chealer_: you make funny jokes! |
| 03:52.30 | croddy | chealer_: some of us are superficial though |
| 03:52.37 | croddy | chealer_: we just don't use kde because the themes are unbelievably ugly |
| 03:52.47 | secher | Holy Hell in a Handbasket! Did ftp.debian.org get a bigger pipe??? |
| 03:52.54 | abrotman | i don't like KDE for the same reason i don't like OSX |
| 03:53.01 | chealer_ | houn: hum, not sure I understand you. testing doesn't *default* to udev>0.58, it *has* udev |
| 03:53.05 | chealer_ | >0.58 |
| 03:53.15 | HermanDE | secher: What sort of speeds do you see? |
| 03:53.18 | weenix | i got Gtk-WARNING ***: cannot open display after i sudo rhythmbox. it's stop shoing locale not supported by c library |
| 03:53.23 | gidi | chealer_: I don't use desktop managers, that's your problem, I use window managers, but aside from that I don't know something about KDE and C# |
| 03:53.28 | houn | chealer_: udev >0.58 is what it's trying to install on dist-upgrade. |
| 03:53.31 | croddy | weenix: do not run rhythmbox as root |
| 03:53.34 | abrotman | weenix: GTK has errors non-stop when running apps |
| 03:53.44 | secher | HermanDE: 200kBps and better in bursts |
| 03:53.57 | abrotman | secher: so slow ? |
| 03:54.01 | HermanDE | secher: Which server are you connecting to? |
| 03:54.04 | weenix | how to run thythmbox as root? |
| 03:54.12 | chealer_ | croddy: ok, I abdict to dpkg |
| 03:54.13 | croddy | weenix: not to run rhythmbox as root |
| 03:54.14 | secher | HermanDE: tops was almost 400kBps. |
| 03:54.19 | chealer_ | dpkg: start a desktop environment war |
| 03:54.27 | abrotman | chealer_: abdicate ? |
| 03:54.29 | croddy | !start an editor war |
| 03:54.30 | dpkg | "cat >" sucks |
| 03:54.41 | secher | HermanDE: ftp.debian.org, dunno which IP it's resolving to. |
| 03:54.50 | weenix | croddy, it's not easy to me. i got to listen some music and watching movies |
| 03:54.58 | chealer_ | abrotman: I abdicate about English skills then |
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| 03:55.08 | secher | abrotman: waht do you get in throughput? |
| 03:55.17 | abrotman | secher: 400? |
| 03:55.20 | HermanDE | secher: Yep, most of thoes are on a round robin. I remember reading the Oregon State came online with their OSD Labs recently.... |
| 03:55.33 | secher | abrotman: really? |
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| 03:55.37 | weenix | sudo totem got the same error |
| 03:55.58 | chealer_ | houn: that's normal. what's the problem? |
| 03:56.04 | abrotman | secher: comcast has retarded bandwidth |
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| 03:56.11 | secher | HermanDE: Ahah, perhaps that was it.. whatever it was, I"ve never seen speeds like that from ftp.debian.org |
| 03:56.22 | fusionfox | what codecs do i need to view .wmv files? |
| 03:56.23 | chealer_ | so there's no desktop environment war. hum |
| 03:56.28 | dvm1981 | weenix: Why would you like to run it so ? |
| 03:56.31 | chealer_ | !tell fusionfox about wmv |
| 03:56.31 | croddy | weenix: don't run applications as root. mount your ntfs partition in such a way that your normal account can read it |
| 03:56.32 | HermanDE | secher: Pretty nice.... |
| 03:56.34 | secher | abrotman: I have DSL 10mb/s down and 2mb/s up. |
| 03:57.06 | dvm1981 | weenix: You are try it with some root privileges. try it without sudo |
| 03:57.07 | weenix | croddy, how to do? |
| 03:57.14 | HermanDE | secher: What is your latency? |
| 03:57.21 | abrotman | secher: dunno ... but i seem to get more |
| 03:57.22 | croddy | !tell weenix about ntfsro |
| 03:57.35 | houn | chealer_: Trying to upgrade to Testing using dist-upgrade. Dies on uDev_0.076-6, error claims it needs a 2.6.12 or better kernel. Try to install 2.6.12 sources, it whines that it needs uDev. |
| 03:57.50 | deadcat | anyone in the bay area with half life counter strike running via cedega? i really need some help |
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| 03:58.24 | secher | HermanDE: to ftp.debian.org is 53ms on average |
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| 03:58.36 | weenix | croddy, you should tell me earily. thanks |
| 03:58.47 | chealer_ | houn: yes. you need to install a >2.6.11 kernel before upgrading udev |
| 03:58.57 | HermanDE | deadcat: Uh... This is a Debian chat room with a HALF-LIFE... Not a Half Life room with debian.... |
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| 03:59.54 | deadcat | HermanDE: calm down bro |
| 04:00.32 | houn | deadcat: Counter-Strike will rot your brain. Just a friendly warning ;) |
| 04:00.49 | houn | chealer_: I THINK I found away around it. |
| 04:00.58 | stumbles | hi, i'm having trouble dual booting to XP with grub. The NTFS partition is on my second sata drive (/dev/sdb1) and is boots fine when set as the master disk. I'm using: root (hd1,0), chainloader (hd1,0)+1 but grub warns "unknown partition type 0x7" and halts. |
| 04:01.10 | HermanDE | deadcat: Yo buss dis. I will chill Sheeit! |
| 04:02.05 | deadcat | HermanDE: shut the fuck up slut |
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| 04:02.12 | stumbles | 0x7 is NTFS according to fdisk |
| 04:02.28 | HermanDE | deadcat: Braaaaa.... |
| 04:02.29 | deadcat | houn: played it few years ago. |
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| 04:03.18 | abrotman | !moo |
| 04:03.18 | Jazbo | Hi folks, whenever I install a package my system spends a good 20 minutes configuring EVERY locale. I there a way to make it only set up the locale I'm using? |
| 04:03.19 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 04:03.32 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
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| 04:03.39 | chealer_ | !abrotmoo |
| 04:03.39 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 04:03.57 | Jazbo | tnx Ill try |
| 04:04.24 | HermanDE | abrotman: Is there a locals buggie in testing/sid? |
| 04:04.26 | niklaus | hi how to enable the sysrq in grub. I have compiled the kernel with that option . I have to do a echo 1 > /proc.. everytime after i login. i want to enable it at boot time pass it as a kernel paramater. how do i do it |
| 04:04.40 | abrotman | HermanDE: based on the number of people asking .. apparently .. though i've not hit it |
| 04:04.42 | liable | hehehe |
| 04:04.59 | HermanDE | abrotman: Nor have I.... Hmmm.... Time to check my servers.... |
| 04:05.00 | abrotman | HermanDE: it's certainly likely .. |
| 04:05.03 | Jazbo | abrotman: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 04:05.08 | abrotman | HermanDE: servers ... etch/sid ? |
| 04:05.17 | abrotman | Jazbo: so finish installing it |
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| 04:05.43 | weenix | when i run xhost + username, i got xhost: unable to open display "LOCALHOST:0.0". |
| 04:06.12 | HermanDE | abrotman: I like to call them... My entertainment harvesting cluster...... |
| 04:06.21 | Jazbo | abroteman: will it be okay to remove base-config? |
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| 04:07.29 | abrotman | wtf is fbi!?!!? |
| 04:07.35 | abrotman | Jazbo: uhm .. no |
| 04:07.48 | deadcat | abrotman: fbi displays image in vconsole |
| 04:07.58 | houn | and then arrests you for computer crimes. |
| 04:07.59 | Jazbo | Yah, sounds important |
| 04:08.08 | HermanDE | abrotman: Frame Buffer Viewer.... |
| 04:08.11 | houn | What, with your terrorist Operating System... |
| 04:08.21 | Jazbo | Yah fbi is cool |
| 04:08.28 | HermanDE | abrotman: Think about running an image viewer on a spare monitor with a frame buffer.... |
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| 04:08.43 | abrotman | Jazbo: he's a user here sometimes |
| 04:08.53 | HermanDE | abrotman: Looks even better running with an aalib frame buffer... :) |
| 04:09.04 | abrotman | heh |
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| 04:09.43 | stumbles | how do i get dpkg to give me a list of keywords that is has info for? |
| 04:09.55 | stumbles | as in dpkg the bot |
| 04:10.07 | liable | listkeys |
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| 04:10.13 | stumbles | ta |
| 04:10.32 | chealer_ | if you meant a complete list... |
| 04:10.37 | chealer_ | dpkg: your factoids |
| 04:10.37 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
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| 04:10.54 | TNKS | I just realized that there are some facets about Linux file/directory permissions that are not clear to me. I looked on-line for some tutorials, but everything I found was very basic. Can someone point me to a discussion that's more comprehensive? For starters, I'm looking for a discussion that disambiguates how permissions of a directories are resolved with permissions of files and directories contained in it. |
| 04:11.04 | abrotman | stumbles: /msg dpkg help |
| 04:11.44 | stumbles | cheers |
| 04:11.55 | mtnman | tnks: tried man chmod? |
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| 04:12.52 | niknak | spellcheck not working, not alerting me to misspelled word. how to check if it is properly setup? |
| 04:12.55 | staniel | I just installed the upclient (for use with uptimes.hostingwired.com) and im wonder how to get the init.d script to be run at system start up |
| 04:13.06 | niknak | in openofice2.0 |
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| 04:15.17 | nima | after many months of deliberation, i have come to the conclusion that debian unstable is unstable |
| 04:15.35 | abrotman | nima: you know .. they give it that name for a reason :) |
| 04:15.43 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 04:15.45 | TNKS | mtnman, the chmod man page is more about the operations of the command, less about interactions. |
| 04:15.46 | HermanDE | sid is evil.... |
| 04:15.54 | nima | compared to testing and stable, anyways |
| 04:16.02 | mtnman | phone call... |
| 04:16.09 | abrotman | mtnman: hang up! |
| 04:16.10 | nima | compared to windows, its rock solid |
| 04:16.50 | mtnman | its a female! |
| 04:17.43 | abrotman | mtnman: your mom doesn't count! |
| 04:17.57 | mtnman | not my mom! |
| 04:18.37 | abrotman | grandma? |
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| 04:23.38 | mojo34 | Im using gentoo right now, but I have a question that you might be able to help me with regarding the kernel. I cant make heads or tales out of what people in #gentoo say. |
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| 04:24.12 | deadcat | mojo34: #kernel |
| 04:24.19 | mojo34 | okay :) |
| 04:24.25 | deadcat | you use gentoo you gonna have to stick with those morons (= |
| 04:24.28 | chealer_ | mojo34: if your question isn't about Debian, we can't help you |
| 04:24.29 | lith | For some reason... i cant ftp using a user on my system.... I changed the passwd but it still says auth failed |
| 04:24.36 | lith | is there another way to change an ftp user accout |
| 04:24.39 | lith | er account? |
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| 04:24.55 | mojo34 | It is sad :( I like how gentoo does things, but I hate the community :( it makes me miss ubuntu |
| 04:24.56 | abrotman | any reason in the logs ? |
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| 04:25.06 | saturne | hi |
| 04:25.16 | abrotman | mojo34: so .. install debian ? |
| 04:25.22 | saturne | i search how to log all download/upload with sftp. It is possible? |
| 04:26.03 | Guerin | lith: is your ftpd configured to allow local user logins? |
| 04:26.05 | deadcat | mojo34: hehe. you win some you loose some. happends to all distros |
| 04:26.17 | Guerin | sane ftpds don't allow it by default |
| 04:26.29 | secher | what's "better" for jre, blackdown or j2re1.3? Or even more accurately, what's the difference between the two, from a user's standpoint? |
| 04:26.42 | deadcat | secher: blackdown sucks. |
| 04:26.46 | lith | Guerin: hmm... I think so... i can log in as one of my other users |
| 04:26.46 | Guerin | secher: run an ftpd with logging; ie: any of them |
| 04:26.59 | Guerin | lith: perhaps only some users are enabled |
| 04:27.02 | mojo34 | debian is still my favorite distro. I was running debian etch for several months after ubnuntu, I just feel like if I can get around in gentoo, Ill have a better understanding of everything. |
| 04:27.10 | abrotman | secher: neither .. use the stuff form java.com |
| 04:27.21 | lith | guerin: where would i set that up at? |
| 04:27.24 | secher | deadcat: Guerin: Kk. thanks. |
| 04:27.31 | abrotman | mojo34: well .. then i guess you're stuck with #gentoo |
| 04:27.31 | deadcat | mojo34: how so? emerge shit and watch the text go by help you learn what? |
| 04:27.32 | secher | abrotman: seriously? |
| 04:27.53 | abrotman | secher: afaik .. 1.3.x has security issues .. it's really better to use stuff straight from sun |
| 04:28.04 | kspath | mojo34: Linux From Scratch |
| 04:28.06 | Guerin | lith: in your ftpd config? |
| 04:28.11 | secher | abrotman: good point, esp. the security bit. |
| 04:28.13 | chealer_ | mojo34: hehe. as kspath said |
| 04:28.37 | mojo34 | Baby steps. LFS is too daunting. |
| 04:28.38 | Guerin | mojo34: there's a common misconception that building everything from source teaches you somthing |
| 04:28.41 | Guerin | it doesn't |
| 04:28.56 | kspath | mojo34: also learn ion3 openbox3 and if you have to fluxbox install vim and screen and irssi and .... |
| 04:28.57 | abrotman | breaking stuff teaches you more :) |
| 04:29.12 | chealer_ | mojo34: ok, go use slackware next then |
| 04:29.15 | mojo34 | Ive learned a few things about grub, kernel compilation, and modules that are gonna be easy to carry over to debian |
| 04:29.17 | Guerin | abrotman: if that were truem gentoo would be the best OS for anyone wanting to learn unix |
| 04:29.21 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:29.29 | abrotman | Guerin: perhaps fedora ? |
| 04:29.40 | deadcat | Guerin: all it gives is they can brag to their friends.. and they are not really compiling from source. the script does that for them. they just watch |
| 04:29.48 | mojo34 | Ive used slackware :P |
| 04:29.49 | Guerin | abrotman: the problem with fedora is that things break, and are then impossible to fix |
| 04:30.02 | secher | mojo34: these guys are right, don't worry about compiling, break shit, frequently, and you'll learn lots, and fast. |
| 04:30.07 | juice` | i'm getting this lilo error, even tho my /boot is on ext3 partition that is not on RAID, any ideas? 'Fatal: Only RAID1 devices are supported for boot images' |
| 04:30.17 | deadcat | mojo34: from the list of distros, seems like you dont know what you want |
| 04:30.22 | Guerin | either that or you'll reinstall like a big puss every three days |
| 04:30.29 | juice` | and of course vmlinuz/initrd are also not on raid |
| 04:30.34 | abrotman | Guerin: hhee |
| 04:30.58 | kspath | mojo34: just install openbsd and be done |
| 04:31.00 | lith | how can i make a user only allowed to access its home directory... not see anything else? |
| 04:31.22 | abrotman | lith: chroot .. depends on your ftp server |
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| 04:31.38 | lith | abrotman: the one that comes with standard deb install |
| 04:31.45 | kspath | mojo34: I have a book list of about 60 books you should/could read |
| 04:31.51 | mojo34 | believe me. Ive already broken tons of things in gentoo, its helped me. Dont get me wrong, nothing can beat apt-get, and doing all of this compiling barely makes it any faster than when I do a businesscard install and choose everything to install one by one. |
| 04:31.55 | weenix | i have removed sudo. |
| 04:31.56 | meriad_ | yoo |
| 04:31.59 | abrotman | right .. because debian installs an ftpd on every install .. NOT! :) |
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| 04:32.06 | lith | :( |
| 04:32.10 | secher | abrotman: I think lith means locking down users actually logged in, not just ftp.. or am I totally off base lith? |
| 04:32.13 | weenix | how to install some fonts? |
| 04:32.14 | mojo34 | I just having fun. |
| 04:32.26 | Guerin | lith: again, all sane ftp daemons chroot local users by default. |
| 04:32.47 | Guerin | lith: if you don't know what you're doing, why don't you learn instead of guessing |
| 04:32.50 | abrotman | Guerin: no |
| 04:32.59 | secher | lith: are you talkign about ftp, or users in general, i.e. sshed in, and logged on the console. |
| 04:33.00 | Guerin | running a ftpd without clue is a fantastic way to get your machine owned |
| 04:33.13 | secher | or did I miss something here? |
| 04:33.23 | Guerin | secher: ftp |
| 04:33.31 | kspath | mojo34: I went through the entire repository a couple of times and made a list of necessary packages and packages to try for future you can do the same |
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| 04:33.58 | dvm1981 | weenix: Why you have remove sudo? |
| 04:34.09 | secher | Guerin: I guess I missed something, I thought lith wanted to prevent users from seeing other users ~/ dirs.. sorry for the interruption. |
| 04:34.19 | dvm1981 | weenix: apt-get install <packagename> |
| 04:34.55 | mojo34 | x-window-system-core, kdebase, synaptic. Everything from there is as easy as pie :) |
| 04:34.59 | Guerin | the real question is "why did you install sudo if you didn't want it?" |
| 04:35.00 | weenix | dvm1981, because i have solved my problem. |
| 04:35.13 | kspath | I still think the repository needs to have keywords to indicate more clearly that something is GUI or CLI or curses or what have you |
| 04:35.14 | dvm1981 | weenix: Ok |
| 04:35.25 | Guerin | kspath: it does. They're called debtags. |
| 04:35.41 | kspath | Guerin: I am a moron. |
| 04:35.46 | Guerin | kspath: you are. |
| 04:35.53 | kspath | Agreed |
| 04:35.54 | weenix | dvm1981, actually, i am install microsoft core fonts |
| 04:36.14 | dvm1981 | weenix: apt-cache search fonts |
| 04:36.14 | houn | Anyone feel up to checking an error I just got with make-kpkg? http://channels.debian.net/paste/1580 |
| 04:36.19 | kspath | Guerin: I grabbed the whole text based list and manually went through that over and over |
| 04:37.01 | dvm1981 | weenix: apt-cache search fonts | less |
| 04:37.10 | weenix | dvm1981, i got a huge list |
| 04:37.24 | kspath | Guerin: I assumed wrongly that the descriptions would all be of equivalent quality some are very well done. |
| 04:37.29 | dvm1981 | weenix: or |
| 04:37.33 | dvm1981 | weenix: apt-cache search fonts | more |
| 04:37.50 | dvm1981 | weenix: Right? |
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| 04:38.25 | dvm1981 | weenix: You piped the output of the apt-cache... to less or more ... |
| 04:38.27 | weenix | dvm1981, | less doesn't work |
| 04:38.39 | lith | does anyone konw what mod_delay is? it seems to be enabled on my ftp server :/ |
| 04:38.41 | dvm1981 | weenix: apt-get install less |
| 04:38.47 | kspath | Guerin: so debtags is an optional package? |
| 04:38.53 | dvm1981 | weenix: Probably not installed |
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| 04:38.56 | lith | mod_delay/0.4: delaying for 1157275 usecs ---> syslog on an ftp connection |
| 04:39.23 | dvm1981 | weenix: I prefer to use less, but take you're choice |
| 04:39.44 | weenix | dvm1981, yeah. it's up to me |
| 04:39.47 | kspath | Guerin: thanks for the tip. I never needed it before but it sure will make some things more simple. |
| 04:40.10 | aaronlin | where can I go to find help on pydance? |
| 04:40.26 | weenix | i can watch movies and listen music under linux now. it's pretty cool. |
| 04:40.59 | dvm1981 | weenix: Xine? |
| 04:41.08 | weenix | dvm1981, realplay |
| 04:41.12 | dvm1981 | weenix: Xmms? |
| 04:41.23 | weenix | dvm1981, rhythmbox |
| 04:41.30 | dvm1981 | weenix: Mplayer? |
| 04:41.39 | dvm1981 | weenix: Try theses |
| 04:41.51 | weenix | dvm1981, all of my movies are rmvb type |
| 04:42.06 | weenix | dvm1981, i don't need to install Mplayer. |
| 04:42.41 | dvm1981 | weenix: Probably the plugin of it in Mozilla for example |
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| 04:43.03 | Jazbo | abrotman: So removing base-config would definetly be a bad idea right? |
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| 04:43.15 | kspath | Guerin: that is not exactly what I was talking about but it is a step in the right direction. I can write a script and checks for GUI and curses and other interfaces and reports each one |
| 04:43.43 | Guerin | kspath: the metainfo in each package has debtags; hence, the repository has them. |
| 04:44.05 | Guerin | if you want a tool beyond apt-cache show; to display debtag information, I suggest you write one |
| 04:44.36 | kspath | Guerin: yeah, that is what I am doing thanks muchly |
| 04:44.45 | aaronlin | does anyone know the official pydance channel? |
| 04:44.45 | weenix | anyone have some idea about bittorrent stuff under debian? |
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| 04:45.26 | houn | Would someone be willing to help me decipher an error? Google's not being much help. |
| 04:46.07 | chealer_ | houn: few people will answer vague questions |
| 04:46.28 | chealer_ | !tell weenix about bittorrent |
| 04:46.32 | SimonRaven | !vagueness |
| 04:46.35 | houn | chealer_: Hey, at least someone responded to the vague one. When I asked earlier with my link, I got nothing. |
| 04:46.36 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 04:46.46 | houn | Here's the error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1580 |
| 04:47.02 | houn | I can't find anything on it via google. |
| 04:47.16 | jetscreamer | man btdownloadgui |
| 04:47.23 | jetscreamer | or is that the command |
| 04:47.27 | weenix | chealer_, is there a software can do things like bittorrent? |
| 04:47.34 | chealer_ | houn: did you try specifying a subarch? |
| 04:47.35 | houn | jetscreamer: btdownloadcurses is more my style. |
| 04:47.39 | Jazbo | Every time I `apt-get install` a package it configures it for _every_ locale and takes forever. Any ideas how to correct this? |
| 04:47.47 | jetscreamer | no weenix there is absolutely zero |
| 04:47.51 | houn | chealer_: Not sure how to do that. |
| 04:47.58 | chealer_ | weenix: are you looking for a bittorrent client? |
| 04:47.58 | croddy | not even "apt-get install bittorrent" |
| 04:48.08 | weenix | chealer_, yeah |
| 04:48.13 | jetscreamer | Jazbo: uninstall some locales? |
| 04:48.42 | chealer_ | houn: me neither. consider asking |
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| 04:50.15 | chealer_ | weenix: bittornado is one bittorrent client |
| 04:50.20 | t0Po | hace rato que no entro |
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| 04:50.52 | kspath | Guerin: not-yet-tagged is the package maintainer issue? |
| 04:50.58 | houn | chealer_: according to man make-kpkg, subarch is an option you specify for Alpha and m86k cpus. |
| 04:51.05 | weenix | chealer_, thanks. i am still looking for a english-chinese dictionary. |
| 04:51.27 | jetscreamer | babelfish? |
| 04:52.00 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 04:52.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:52.02 | chealer_ | weenix: no idea |
| 04:52.16 | Meth[Linux] | greetings |
| 04:52.50 | secher | Ok, this is silly. I got Sun's jre, installed it, linked ///ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so to my plugins dir under .mozilla, and nothing. does any one know what I did wrong? I can find nothign in the docs. |
| 04:53.10 | secher | and yes, i did restart firefox |
| 04:53.18 | chealer_ | houn: yeah but it doesn't say it can't be helpful for other arches. I think I'd try it anyway |
| 04:53.26 | weenix | chealer_, i can't find bittornado |
| 04:53.45 | chealer_ | weenix: does apt-get install bittornado work? |
| 04:53.51 | houn | chealer_: So... what's my subarch, lol? |
| 04:53.57 | weenix | chealer_, yeah. it works |
| 04:54.04 | Meth[Linux] | anyone know why docker flickers like crazy in the blackbox slit on my debian box? |
| 04:54.18 | secher | weenix: try btdownloadgui.bittornado |
| 04:54.26 | chealer_ | secher: you normally don't have to mess with symlinks for firefox to handle java |
| 04:54.42 | chealer_ | secher: as long as you used make-jpkg, of course |
| 04:54.46 | secher | chealer_: I was just following that the docs told me to do. |
| 04:54.46 | stumbles | hi, i'm having trouble dual booting to XP with grub. The NTFS partition is on my second sata drive (/dev/sdb1) and is boots fine when set as the master disk. I'm using: root (hd1,0), chainloader (hd1,0)+1 but grub warns "unknown partition type 0x7" and stops with no error. Any ideas? |
| 04:54.53 | weenix | secher, it doesn't work |
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| 04:55.16 | chealer_ | houn: well, I guess it depends on your CPU |
| 04:55.25 | deadcat | damn. udev maintainer works fast. |
| 04:55.50 | secher | weenix: ahve to split for a mo, if you're still havbing hassles wihen I'm back ( 5 minutes or so ), I'll give you a hand. I just went through all of htis. brb |
| 04:56.03 | kspath | SO much reading to do. |
| 04:56.06 | chealer_ | weenix: so what's the problem? |
| 04:56.33 | kspath | man debtags |
| 04:56.37 | kspath | hehehe |
| 04:57.09 | weenix | chealer_, i don't know. i try to whereis, it's still not work |
| 04:57.53 | houn | chealer_: Athlon XP 2800. I wasn't aware there were subarchs for athlons. |
| 04:58.09 | chealer_ | weenix: try $ dpkg -L bittornado |
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| 04:58.16 | kingsley | weenix: Can you tell us a specific example of how whereis doesn't work? |
| 04:58.32 | juice` | i'm getting this lilo error, even tho my /boot is on ext3 partition that is not on RAID, any ideas? 'Fatal: Only RAID1 devices are supported for boot images' |
| 04:58.36 | chealer_ | houn: the arch is i386. the subarch could be k7 |
| 04:59.01 | juice` | i have raid0, and initrd/vmlinuz are on /boot |
| 04:59.12 | weenix | kingsley, whereis bittornado |
| 04:59.27 | houn | chealer_: neither k7 or athlon-xp makes any difference. |
| 04:59.36 | houn | I wonder if make-kpkg is bugged... |
| 04:59.52 | Jazbo | Anybody recall how to spit out a list of the packages to the command line? |
| 05:00.01 | Jazbo | installed packages I mean |
| 05:00.15 | kingsley | weenix: OK. chealer_ had a good suggestion; check if bittornado is installed, and which files are in it with : dpkg -L bittornado |
| 05:00.32 | Sonny | hi, when I restart my PC, after the "Rebooting" message my PC freezes, do you know why? |
| 05:01.14 | weenix | chealer_, there is no bittorando under /usr/bin. only something like *.bittornado |
| 05:01.42 | Jazbo | juice`: is this the first time you're using the drive for booting off of? |
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| 05:02.08 | juice` | Jazbo: yes |
| 05:02.27 | jsz_ | Im trying to install psybnc and it says I need ncurses, but when I do apt-get install libncurses5 and ncurses-base it says I have already got them |
| 05:02.31 | jsz_ | whats up with that? |
| 05:02.36 | juice` | Jazbo: i installed debian dist with debootstrap from livecd, and im trying to finish everything and boot it |
| 05:02.37 | Jazbo | juice`:any chance it has to do with jumpers? |
| 05:02.41 | chealer_ | houn: try i686 |
| 05:02.41 | jsz_ | This is when I do make menuconfig |
| 05:02.47 | juice` | uh? jumpers? |
| 05:03.13 | Jazbo | on the drive it's self. Just a guess. have no idea if that could really be it |
| 05:03.14 | houn | chealer_: Nope. |
| 05:03.14 | juice` | Jazbo: this is remote system, and i can;t say anything about jumpers.. |
| 05:03.15 | kingsley | Sonny: There are lots of reasons for why it would freeze. I recommend digging for more diagnostic info, possibly by distinguishing between a hard disk problem and everything else by booting with a rescue floppy or a live CD, like knoppix for example. |
| 05:03.23 | chealer_ | jsz_: what's the output of apt-get install psybnc ? |
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| 05:03.59 | roo9 | does an inode of 2 represent something special? |
| 05:04.07 | juice` | Jazbo: i dont think it has anything to do with jumpers, lilo is just thinking i want to boot from my RAID and i don't |
| 05:04.15 | jsz_ | E: Couldn't find package psybnc |
| 05:04.21 | weenix | chealer_, i found a english chinese dictionary named pydict. |
| 05:04.25 | jsz_ | I was going to build it myself from source |
| 05:04.31 | chealer_ | weenix: look for /usr/bin/bt* |
| 05:04.33 | kingsley | Jazbo: dpkg -l |
| 05:05.07 | chealer_ | jsz_: well, it must refer to a different package then |
| 05:05.21 | kingsley | weenix: If the bittorrent package isn't installed, whereis won't be able to find any of its files. |
| 05:05.24 | Jazbo | kingley: thanks |
| 05:05.27 | weenix | chealer_, it is just something like btcompletedir.bittornado |
| 05:05.59 | weenix | kingsley, it shows no error after apt-get install bittorrando |
| 05:06.07 | kingsley | weenix: What does the following command report: dpkg -l bittorrando |
| 05:06.13 | jsz_ | PsyBNC is the best irc bouncer available but it isn't in debian. |
| 05:06.15 | jsz_ | The whole sourcecode is GPL'd but two files that are under the Apache license. |
| 05:06.15 | jsz_ | If the Apache license doesn't comply with the DFSG the package could go in |
| 05:06.15 | jsz_ | non-free |
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| 05:06.29 | weenix | kingsley, i got a huge list. |
| 05:06.29 | chealer_ | weenix: yeah. try btdownload* or check the doc |
| 05:06.38 | Jazbo | Every time I `apt-get install` a package it configures it for _every_ locale and takes forever. Any ideas how to correct this? |
| 05:06.45 | kingsley | weenix: dpkg -l bittorrando |
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| 05:07.26 | kingsley | weenix: That command should have succinct output. |
| 05:07.51 | weenix | kingsley, how to show the list to you? |
| 05:08.06 | kingsley | Jazbo: I don't know, but I'd suspect a problem with the locale package or its configuration. |
| 05:08.22 | Sonny | kingsley: I have my knoppix cd, do you think that my hard disk is the problem? |
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| 05:09.05 | kingsley | weenix: That command should output six lines. You may paste them into #flood. |
| 05:09.15 | Siv0x | Can anyone help / tell me the apt-get command to install javascripts? |
| 05:09.27 | Siv0x | or, java rather. |
| 05:09.46 | houn | So, anyone have any ideas on passing a subarch, and what it should be, to make-kpkg with an athlon-xp CPU? |
| 05:09.48 | mfrisch | !info java-package |
| 05:09.52 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.27 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 336 kB |
| 05:09.54 | weenix | kingsley, i got that. i have to install bittornado-gui. i checked the README.Debian |
| 05:09.57 | Jazbo | kingsley: yah the package "locales" was not configured properly but if I `dpkg-reconfigure locales` is says it needs to remove base-config which I don't think is a good idea. |
| 05:10.12 | kingsley | Sonny: I don't know. But if the knoppix CD boots, then I'd suspect that the hard disk is the problem. If not, I'd suspect hardware. |
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| 05:10.46 | kingsley | weenix: Very good. |
| 05:10.54 | yos87 | hi |
| 05:11.07 | Meth[Linux] | hi |
| 05:11.37 | mfrisch | hi speedy |
| 05:11.38 | kingsley | Jazbo: Check out the reassurance reported by: apt-cache show base-config |
| 05:11.38 | chealer_ | dpkg: no, bittorrent is a P2P file distribution protocol. BitTorrent is also the name of the original BitTorrent client, available in Debian. other clients include bittornado, ktorrent (KDE), rtorrent, qtorrent (Qt) and azureus (only in contrib) |
| 05:11.39 | dpkg | okay, chealer_ |
| 05:11.44 | jsz_ | jsz Im builing psybnc from source and when I do make menuconfig I get |
| 05:11.49 | jsz_ | jsz [*] Creating Menu, please wait. |
| 05:11.49 | jsz_ | jsz This needs the ncurses library. If it is not available, menuconf wont work. If you are using curses, use make menuconfig-curses instead. |
| 05:11.55 | jsz_ | jsz make: *** [menuconfig] Error 1 |
| 05:11.55 | jsz_ | jsz this is on debian |
| 05:11.55 | jsz_ | jsz but when I do apt-get install libncurses5 |
| 05:11.55 | jsz_ | jsz and apt-get install ncurses-base |
| 05:11.55 | jsz_ | jsz says I have it |
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| 05:12.03 | jsz_ | stop it |
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| 05:12.45 | weenix | my debian can't show chinese |
| 05:13.13 | jsz_ | weenix, install chinese text support |
| 05:13.17 | kingsley | jsz_: There's a bot that kicks people off of #debian who flood it with multiple lines too quickly. I believe it's intent is to deter pasting multiple lines. |
| 05:13.32 | weenix | jsz_, more details, please |
| 05:13.35 | Jazbo | kingsley: what great documentation |
| 05:13.55 | jsz_ | ? |
| 05:14.08 | yos87 | how to send a private messege to somebody |
| 05:14.10 | kingsley | Jazbo: It looks to me like dpkg-reconfigure locale should be safe. |
| 05:14.12 | jsz_ | kingsley, help me fix the problem |
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| 05:14.31 | Erpo | Is there a file transfer program that will give me optimal throughput over an unswitched LAN? |
| 05:14.56 | kingsley | yos87: Type /help msg |
| 05:15.26 | yos87 | I see window |
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| 05:16.20 | kingsley | jsz_: Have you searched google's web and usenet archives for a distinctive string in the error message? |
| 05:16.27 | secher | jsz_: I've got to put my $.02 in. what gives you the right to demand of someone here that they assist you? I'm just curious. |
| 05:17.02 | jetscreamer | locales |
| 05:17.30 | GuMbY | I'm running Debian Stable. I am trying to upgrade my kernel by grabbing *.deb's from the debian etch FTP. There are 3 dependencies for my new kernel: initramfs-tools; yaird; linux-initramfs-tool... None of these last 3 packages is in Debian Stable. Is it a bad idea to manually install these... and then manually install the new kernel??? |
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| 05:17.45 | Siv0x | ok, after i have apt-get install free-java-sdk, is that all i need to do? |
| 05:17.46 | Jazbo | kingsley: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 05:17.50 | Jazbo | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 05:18.04 | jetscreamer | it's libncurses5-dev |
| 05:18.28 | weenix | how to have chinese support? |
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| 05:18.43 | kingsley | Jazbo: Does dpkg -l locales indicate that the locales package is incompletely installed? |
| 05:18.58 | jetscreamer | try apt-get -f install |
| 05:19.03 | Jazbo | Kingsley: got it had to update package list and reintall |
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| 05:19.52 | jetscreamer | !chinese |
| 05:19.53 | dpkg | methinks chinese is Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese, or /j #debian-zh |
| 05:20.04 | jetscreamer | try #debian-zh |
| 05:20.12 | jetscreamer | they're typing in chinese |
| 05:20.13 | houn | chealer_: Ah-ha! Got it! Had to update kernel-package, and it just stopped asking. |
| 05:20.19 | secher | is there a dependency issue with X in unstable currently? |
| 05:20.25 | jetscreamer | not afaict |
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| 05:20.58 | secher | jetscreamer: was that to me? |
| 05:21.06 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 05:21.17 | jetscreamer | but that's just the packages i have installed |
| 05:21.30 | yos87 | /msg nickserv set email <your-email-address> |
| 05:21.31 | yos87 | /msg nickserv set email <your-email-address> |
| 05:21.46 | jetscreamer | yos87: /ns == /msg nickserv |
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| 05:24.24 | jetscreamer | somebody do something interesting before i go back to asp |
| 05:24.35 | Flimzy | On my powerbook G4, with certian CDs or DVDs in the drive, the KDE Daemon segfaults every 3 seconds or so. Anyone have a clue what the problem is? |
| 05:25.03 | jetscreamer | the automount thingy? |
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| 05:28.50 | pmallapp | how come no wine for amd64 |
| 05:29.09 | Flimzy | b/c wine is for win32 |
| 05:29.24 | Flimzy | you could probably run wine in a 32-bit chroot |
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| 05:30.29 | npx | with debian, running a 32 bit chroot is nice and easy |
| 05:30.29 | Jazbo | Thanks for the help all |
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| 05:30.46 | npx | just debootsrap into /x86 or whatever |
| 05:30.49 | npx | and chroot there! |
| 05:31.03 | Flimzy | hrmph |
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| 05:31.12 | awwa | i have been reading forumposts for three hours now, and i cannot find shit about this error message i keep getting with the kernel, when i boot in to my system i get "cannot open inital console" "restarting" and it reboot, my last hope is in here, anyone who has ever had this or heard about this and knows how to fix it? |
| 05:31.15 | Flimzy | so how da hell do I get KDE to stop segfaulting when I insert a CD :/ |
| 05:31.30 | npx | I'd probably install fluxbox |
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| 05:31.45 | Flimzy | awwa: Try adding virtual terminal support |
| 05:31.55 | awwa | Flimzy: ? |
| 05:32.21 | awwa | Flimzy: i am running the same kernel as i always have, i havent done anything (that i know of) |
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| 05:32.45 | Flimzy | awwa: Maybe your inittab was fubarred or something |
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| 05:33.03 | bucky | that might happen when you upgrade to udev and still have devfs style mounts in fstab.. |
| 05:33.25 | awwa | bucky: nope i have fixed that a long time ago |
| 05:33.38 | bucky | then your screwed |
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| 05:33.50 | awwa | Flimzy: that may be, how do i go about? |
| 05:33.59 | Flimzy | awwa: fix your inittab. hehe |
| 05:34.08 | Flimzy | awwa: did you modify inittab? |
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| 05:34.26 | awwa | Flimzy: it looks fine |
| 05:34.30 | SexyKen | Hey all -- does anyone here use Windows as a workstation? |
| 05:34.32 | awwa | Flimzy: no i havent done nothing to it |
| 05:34.44 | Flimzy | SexyKen: I'm not sure I'd call it a _work_ station |
| 05:34.45 | awwa | SexyKen: with that nick? no i am not |
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| 05:34.51 | Flimzy | awwa: then that's prolly not the problem |
| 05:35.10 | SexyKen | I'm just curious what IRC client you folks would recommend for windows? |
| 05:35.16 | SexyKen | Not sure I'm too fond of mIRC |
| 05:35.22 | Flimzy | SexyKen: Xchat, of course |
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| 05:35.36 | Flimzy | SexyKen: Are there any IRC clients for any OS? |
| 05:36.19 | SexyKen | Flimzy: What is it that you mean? |
| 05:36.37 | Flimzy | SexyKen: I mean... use XChat in Windows. Or in Linux, or any other OS. |
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| 05:37.05 | SexyKen | Ahh, I see :-) |
| 05:37.23 | SexyKen | And what's your opinion on IRC bouncers? For 'always on' irc? |
| 05:37.35 | SexyKen | If that's even what it's called. |
| 05:37.42 | Flimzy | My opinioin of an IRC bouncer is... never used one |
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| 05:37.54 | Flimzy | and furthermoe, why the hell would you want to be one of those lamers who's on IRC all the time? |
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| 05:37.55 | SexyKen | Fair enough :-) |
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| 05:38.36 | SexyKen | I often miss message responses regarding important things, because I have a very unreliable internet connection use my laptop as my main computer...so when I go places, obviously the laptop isn't on 100% of the time. |
| 05:39.00 | awwa | irc pwns |
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| 05:40.39 | Gnea | Flimzy: screen+irssi |
| 05:40.49 | Flimzy | Gnea: ? |
| 05:40.58 | Gnea | Flimzy: for an always-on irc connection |
| 05:41.10 | Gnea | none of that GUI crapola |
| 05:41.10 | Flimzy | Gnea: Ahh... so when I want to be lame, I can do that |
| 05:41.12 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:41.33 | Gnea | i'm sorry, idling endlessly on irc is lame how? |
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| 05:42.12 | Flimzy | Gnea: My point is simply... why are you telling me how to do something I so clearly said I would never want to do? :P |
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| 05:42.49 | Gnea | Flimzy: well, you know, opinions are like assholes, they all stink :P |
| 05:42.55 | deadcat | i dont know what these idiots tring to achieve by typing pwn when clearly they know the word is own.. fucking lamers |
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| 05:43.12 | Flimzy | Gnea: I don't really care if my opinion (or my asshole) stinks. I'm just wondering why you're telling me hhow to do that :P |
| 05:43.14 | Gnea | !english |
| 05:43.14 | dpkg | from memory, english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 05:43.39 | Flimzy | Gnea: If you tell me you don't want to buy a used car, I'm not gonna start giving you buisness cards for used car salesmen, yaknow? :P |
| 05:43.45 | Gnea | [12:32AM] <SexyKen> And what's your opinion on IRC bouncers? For 'always on' irc? |
| 05:43.59 | Flimzy | Gnea: Maybe you'd want to tell SexyKen about that, then. |
| 05:44.12 | Gnea | Flimzy: yeah, i'd hafta shoot ya then ;)_ |
| 05:44.12 | Flimzy | Gnea: Since he apparantly wants to know :) |
| 05:44.43 | Gnea | Flimzy: thank you, i didn't see that right away |
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| 05:44.51 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 05:44.53 | Flimzy | np |
| 05:45.10 | Flimzy | I've nothing better to do now than haggle about who cares about irc idling anyway |
| 05:45.33 | Gnea | it's like a message machine |
| 05:45.36 | Gnea | it's always on |
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| 05:45.55 | depistao | hello |
| 05:45.57 | depistao | hi all |
| 05:46.34 | depistao | I'm trying to print from gimp 2.2 |
| 05:46.34 | daos | should the username/passwd show up in the access.log for users who try and auth when using squid? |
| 05:46.34 | depistao | and I no longer see the print dialog |
| 05:46.47 | depistao | I have installed the libgimpprint library and I don't see any reference to printing in the help |
| 05:46.52 | depistao | any hint? |
| 05:46.53 | Flimzy | daos: Normally, no. But it may be possible to turn that on for debugging. |
| 05:46.57 | depistao | thanks in advance |
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| 05:47.25 | felipe_ | Hi there folks |
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| 05:48.08 | felipe_ | How can I upload mutiple files (including directories and its files) recursively using ftp command line? |
| 05:48.11 | depistao | can anybody see if it has gimp 2.2 installed and if he sees the print menu entry and tell me the packages installed in his system? |
| 05:48.29 | Flimzy | felepe_: man <ftp client of choice> |
| 05:48.49 | felipe_ | Flimzy I tried reading the man |
| 05:48.55 | Gnea | depistao: image->print image |
| 05:49.08 | Gnea | errr |
| 05:49.12 | Flimzy | felipe_: you tried? Is that to say you failed? |
| 05:49.19 | felipe_ | It is thru the command line it self....the ftp command |
| 05:49.27 | felipe_ | Flimzy so far, yes |
| 05:49.31 | Gnea | depistao: wait, i'm wrong... |
| 05:49.41 | daos | Flimzy: I am trying to debug ntlm_auth and squid, but it continually asks for a username/passwd |
| 05:50.01 | Flimzy | felipe_: There are more ftp clients out there than dead PCI cards in my closet (and that's saying a lot) |
| 05:50.03 | daos | Flimzy: thnaks :) |
| 05:50.09 | Flimzy | felipe_: So try another one |
| 05:50.16 | felipe_ | The first thing I tried to do was to read the man |
| 05:50.28 | Flimzy | daos: did you specify a good password file? |
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| 05:51.02 | felipe_ | Flimzy well....I dindt want to install another one but I might not have any other choice |
| 05:51.06 | Erpo | How should I report a bug against the dhcp client that comes with debian? |
| 05:51.11 | daos | Flimzy: well I want it to query AD, but it just won't work |
| 05:51.13 | Flimzy | felipe_: You might also try scp. |
| 05:51.19 | depistao | Gnea: yes, the reis a setting related to print, but not the print entry itself |
| 05:51.20 | Flimzy | daos: AD? |
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| 05:51.28 | depistao | the reis -> there is |
| 05:51.31 | daos | Flimzy: active directory |
| 05:51.35 | Flimzy | daos: ah. |
| 05:51.39 | felipe_ | Flimzy hmmm...ok...thanks for your help |
| 05:51.40 | Flimzy | daos: sounds gross. hehe |
| 05:51.50 | depistao | anybody tried printing in gimp 2.2? |
| 05:51.56 | daos | Flimzy: and I have followed all the mans and docs I can find |
| 05:52.14 | daos | Flimzy: yeah it is, but work is work :DD |
| 05:52.19 | Flimzy | daos: I've only ever done squid auth against flattext. and even that was a long time ago |
| 05:52.49 | daos | and its almost there, samba can talk to windows domain, just squid is stuffing me around |
| 05:53.33 | Flimzy | why is squid auth necessary |
| 05:53.33 | Flimzy | ? |
| 05:53.36 | depistao | Gnea: extrange, isn't it? |
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| 05:53.46 | sword | hey whats a good usenet client for debian |
| 05:53.56 | Gnea | depistao: i guess so - i've had better luck opening the images in firefox and printing them there |
| 05:54.06 | Flimzy | sword: depends on what you're doing with it. binary harvesting, or news reading? |
| 05:54.17 | Flimzy | sword: (or something else hehe) |
| 05:54.20 | myren | sword: slrn or tin. There's a category called news. |
| 05:54.21 | daos | Flimzy: so that only authorised user can acc the internet, and just anybody can't :) |
| 05:54.21 | *** part/#debian felipe_ (n=felipe@200-204-85-15.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 05:54.24 | sword | news reading , downloading media |
| 05:54.27 | Gnea | depistao: i remember there used to be a print dialog, though - but since they replaced gimpprint with the gutenprint, things haven't been the same |
| 05:54.37 | Flimzy | daos: Do unauthorized users have access to the lan? |
| 05:54.43 | daos | Flimzy: like a person walking in off the street |
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| 05:54.54 | Flimzy | daos: What kind of business is it? |
| 05:55.18 | Gnea | depistao: how about help->help? |
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| 05:55.24 | Flimzy | sword: for downloading binaries, I like klibido. I use it to d/l my HDTV rips |
| 05:55.31 | daos | Flimzy: coal mining company |
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| 05:55.40 | Flimzy | sword: for news reading... hrm.. dunnno. I haven't done that in a long long time. Last time I did, it woulda been with slrn or tin |
| 05:55.41 | npx | klibido |
| 05:55.44 | GuMbY | I need to install a Kernel patch in order to get my wireless NIC working. The Patch looks like the output from a call to "diff". How do I install this patch to my kernel??? |
| 05:55.44 | npx | nice name for an app |
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| 05:55.50 | sword | haha yeah |
| 05:55.52 | sword | libido |
| 05:55.52 | Flimzy | npx: yah. damn k* names |
| 05:55.54 | GuMbY | (patch is: http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/patches/ipw2100-1.1.4-old_kernel_fix2.patch) |
| 05:55.58 | depistao | Gnea: idon't see that package either (gutenprint) |
| 05:56.06 | houn | Bam! |
| 05:56.12 | Gnea | depistao: that's not the name of it - search for it |
| 05:56.17 | Flimzy | GuMbY: Well, you should be able to find instructions whereever you got the patch. But try 'man patchh' |
| 05:56.19 | houn | Testing is up! |
| 05:56.21 | Flimzy | s/patchh/patch/ |
| 05:56.23 | depistao | Gnea: help -> help doesn't have a help on printing, or at least i didn't found it :-( |
| 05:56.38 | depistao | apt-cache search guten.*print ? |
| 05:56.43 | depistao | no results |
| 05:57.00 | daos | man this is annoying |
| 05:57.33 | Gnea | apt-cache search guten print |
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| 05:58.52 | depistao | no results either, maybe using additional sourcesÃ? |
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| 05:59.19 | depistao | http://docs.gimp.org/en/file-print-gimp.html |
| 05:59.27 | depistao | but is not very specific |
| 05:59.42 | depistao | on what to install |
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| 06:00.10 | Gnea | hm yeah |
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| 06:00.33 | inetd_ | deadcat: yo |
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| 06:00.52 | weebles | what is guten? |
| 06:01.04 | deadcat | inetd_: what up. working on counter-strike... )= |
| 06:01.13 | GuMbY | Flimzy: thx for the suggestion... I didn't even know where to begin before. Makes perfect sense now. (website was pretty vague as of what to do) |
| 06:02.01 | inetd_ | deadcat: i bought a Logitech quickcam pro 4000...works sweet...been doing streaming using vlc...i love this camera |
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| 06:02.29 | daos | Flimzy: does the user running the service need to be part of the group that has access to the internet? |
| 06:03.04 | deadcat | inetd: i have a 3000 what reso you using? |
| 06:03.07 | Flimzy | daos: eh? |
| 06:03.17 | inetd | deadcat: i can do 640x480 |
| 06:03.22 | deadcat | yeep |
| 06:03.35 | deadcat | inetd: pwc from kernel or you build? |
| 06:03.44 | inetd | deadcat: but i use smaller res....since its only a surv cam |
| 06:03.51 | deadcat | yeep |
| 06:03.54 | Gnea | depistao: well, i've posed the question to #gimp, it could be a matter of hours, days or weeks before an answer is given |
| 06:04.09 | inetd | deadcat: i build using pwc-10.0.11 |
| 06:04.14 | depistao | bye |
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| 06:04.19 | inetd | deadcat: you should use this motion software..its pretty cool |
| 06:04.38 | deadcat | inetd: i do. |
| 06:04.44 | sword | Flimzy, prv msg |
| 06:04.46 | inetd | deadcat: cool :) |
| 06:05.02 | deadcat | inetd: ya i use pwc 10 as well. and motion to detect my room (=. then save to video file. heheh |
| 06:05.07 | ice_1963 | who know's the name of the package manager for kde in testing? |
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| 06:05.41 | radz | ice_1963, look to package |
| 06:05.49 | inetd | deadcat: have you done any video capturing on linux? |
| 06:05.57 | houn | Overall, I have to say, that from CD Download to Sarge Install to Testing Dist-Upgrade, this has been a fairly decent and smoothgoing install for me |
| 06:05.59 | Flimzy | sword: huh? |
| 06:06.02 | radz | inetd, I did a lot |
| 06:06.04 | houn | I'm impressed with Debian. |
| 06:06.06 | houn | Huzzah! |
| 06:06.18 | inetd | radz: was it DVB capturing by any chance/ |
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| 06:06.50 | radz | no, TV-tuner and DV capture |
| 06:07.02 | inetd | i am trying to use mencoder/dvbstreamer |
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| 06:07.19 | inetd | radz: which app did u use? can you give me an example? |
| 06:07.22 | radz | yes, for analog TV I used mencoder |
| 06:07.42 | radz | do you want the script??? |
| 06:08.11 | inetd | radz: would be good to look at it :) can you put it on pastebin or if u have a website hook me up |
| 06:09.17 | Flimzy | Is there any DVD equivolent to cdparanoia? |
| 06:09.24 | deadcat | inetd: tvcard. |
| 06:09.24 | LinuxNIT-laptop | what do yall think of the sudo set up in ubuntu as far as security goes? |
| 06:09.36 | inetd | deadcat: what did you capture from? |
| 06:09.39 | deadcat | radz: i want the script. mine dont work well |
| 06:09.40 | inetd | deadcat: which app even |
| 06:10.18 | deadcat | inetd: used to be tvtime, but my setting suck now. 100% cpu. so i am using effectv, i only have 2 channels. fucking xawtv will hang my machine. |
| 06:10.30 | radz | inetd, http://pastebin.com/511106 |
| 06:10.34 | deadcat | thanks |
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| 06:10.36 | litage | when i start an xterm, neither /etc/profile nor ~/.bash_profile are executed/sourced. how can i get one particular script to be sourced regardless of whether it's an xterm or tty? |
| 06:10.45 | radz | it is movie-recorder for my wife :) |
| 06:10.53 | Flimzy | litage: Start a login shell |
| 06:11.02 | deadcat | nice nice |
| 06:11.21 | deadcat | radz: i tried to record tv show but it stucks in 1 channel |
| 06:11.39 | deadcat | radz: can you email me the script. |
| 06:11.41 | radz | we used this script a lot |
| 06:11.47 | deadcat | radz: pastebin fucked it up |
| 06:12.04 | litage | Flimzy: as in ``bash -l'' ? |
| 06:12.05 | deadcat | see mine suck http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/tvo |
| 06:12.06 | radz | deadcat, pastebin fucked cyrillic text only |
| 06:12.25 | Flimzy | litage: yeah... there's probably an option to xterm to do the same thing regardless of which shell you're using |
| 06:12.32 | radz | you don't need it, I guess |
| 06:12.35 | inetd | radz: cheers |
| 06:12.52 | deadcat | radz: so i;lll just use pastebin's ? |
| 06:13.40 | radz | yes |
| 06:13.59 | deadcat | k |
| 06:15.30 | inetd | radz: do you use mythtv? |
| 06:15.42 | radz | heh, -30 C is out :) |
| 06:16.01 | radz | inetd, I used tvtime only, it is very pretty with xmltv |
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| 06:16.42 | deadcat | radz: tvtime suck cocks on my box |
| 06:17.45 | radz | tvtime gave me full resolution frame and was handy |
| 06:18.11 | deadcat | radz: do i really need aumix and v4lconfig? |
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| 06:18.39 | inetd | radz: whats xmltv used for? |
| 06:18.55 | radz | v4lconfig is my program, it adjusts brightnes etc, aumix adjusts aduio volume |
| 06:19.30 | radz | inetd, xmltv is a format for TV programs file, tvtime uses it to show current and next tv program onscreen |
| 06:19.34 | Azar | everytime I installed Debian I lost my head and acted as a retard.. but eventually everything ended up ok |
| 06:19.35 | daos | Flimzy: I was asking if the user running the service needs to be a member of the group that has internet access? |
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| 06:19.53 | deadcat | radz: seems like i have to edit the script heavily inorder for me to get it running |
| 06:20.06 | radz | deadcat, it's linux |
| 06:20.10 | Flimzy | daos: what service? |
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| 06:20.21 | deadcat | shit i only have 2 channels though |
| 06:20.51 | daos | Flimzy: squid running as user proxy |
| 06:21.09 | Flimzy | daos: it should normally run as proxy, or squid |
| 06:22.07 | inetd | radz: ic |
| 06:22.23 | Flimzy | daos: If you're using per-user or per-group Internet access on that machine, then yes, that user would definately need to havae internet access |
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| 06:24.19 | radz | does anyone use gprs? |
| 06:24.44 | inetd | radz: your last config of that capture script was used to capture webcam stuff? |
| 06:25.09 | daos | Flimzy: cool thanks, think that may be the problem |
| 06:25.30 | radz | no, tv movies, I captured them, looks and deletes, I need no quality |
| 06:25.47 | inetd | why is it VIDEO_WIDTH=384; VIDEO_HEIGHT=288 |
| 06:25.51 | inetd | why that small? |
| 06:25.59 | radz | it is standard VHS size |
| 06:26.10 | Flimzy | VHS doesn't have a standard 'size' in pixels |
| 06:26.11 | Eclipser | VCD size? |
| 06:26.18 | daos | Flimzy: the user proxy would need to be part of the windows domain I am guessing |
| 06:26.19 | radz | and I saved the hdd space using it |
| 06:26.28 | radz | Flimzy, has :) |
| 06:26.31 | amphi | Eclipser: I think so |
| 06:26.32 | Flimzy | daos: Uh.. I dunno. |
| 06:26.39 | Eclipser | SVCD has double that, if I recall |
| 06:26.45 | Flimzy | radz, has not |
| 06:26.46 | daos | its a standard xvid size as well |
| 06:26.52 | Flimzy | radz: VHS recordds an analog signal. |
| 06:27.01 | Flimzy | analog singlas don't have pixels |
| 06:27.03 | inetd | radz: have you encoded stuff into xvid? |
| 06:27.23 | radz | Flimzy, I know, but all software sets this size for VHS by default, you can check |
| 06:27.33 | Flimzy | radz: I beg to differ. |
| 06:27.45 | Eclipser | actually it's not VCD size either :) |
| 06:27.47 | Flimzy | radz: I've never used software that sets a standard VHS resolution. |
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| 06:28.13 | Flimzy | radz: Although most software that has a standard NTSC resolution (which is more meaningful than VHS), it's usually 480x480 or 640x480 |
| 06:28.15 | radz | inetd, man mencoder and you will find the codecs it can use |
| 06:28.26 | Flimzy | radz: But even that isn't directly meaningful |
| 06:28.29 | radz | I am PAL user :) |
| 06:28.42 | LinuxNIT | what do yall think of the sudo set up in ubuntu as far as security goes? any opinions? |
| 06:28.48 | Flimzy | radz: Well, PAL uses even a higher resolution than NTSC. |
| 06:29.10 | jm__ | VHS is only half that of PAL |
| 06:29.14 | radz | yes, and my settings is 1/4 size of full PAL frame |
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| 06:29.37 | deadcat | radz: whats video standard? secam ? |
| 06:29.55 | radz | PAL/SECAM, it is almost the same |
| 06:30.02 | deadcat | k |
| 06:30.13 | jm_ | SECAM is used by Frogs only ;) |
| 06:30.19 | beta_ | Except for the colors. |
| 06:30.29 | radz | secam used in USSR/Russia |
| 06:30.31 | daos | radz: you cold say the same about PAL/NTSC |
| 06:30.36 | daos | could* |
| 06:30.43 | Eclipser | isn't SECAM used in france oo |
| 06:30.44 | Eclipser | +t |
| 06:30.48 | radz | daos, you're wrong |
| 06:30.51 | jm_ | really? didn't know that |
| 06:30.55 | radz | Eclipser, too |
| 06:30.55 | deadcat | radz: channel in "27 /secam -STS" the whole thing? |
| 06:31.08 | Eclipser | radz, that's what I said :p |
| 06:31.12 | daos | ahh no, I don't think so |
| 06:31.40 | daos | well if you saying secam and PAL ar almost the same |
| 06:32.03 | deadcat | fucking tvtime detects ONE channel. SHIT |
| 06:32.04 | radz | daos. I did, they differs only in color coding part |
| 06:32.16 | radz | deadcat, it is the time to read manual |
| 06:32.18 | inetd | hmm i wonder what res it would be to capture widescreen tv |
| 06:32.21 | deadcat | radz: give an example of how you run the script please |
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| 06:32.37 | Flimzy | inetd: That would obviously depend on the resolution of the widescreen signal. |
| 06:32.48 | inetd | Flimzy: mine is DVB... |
| 06:32.48 | Flimzy | inetd: If you mean HDTV, then it's usually 1080i or 720p. |
| 06:32.49 | radz | I can see pal on secam TV and vice versa, but you can't see PAL/SECAM on NTSC TV |
| 06:32.59 | Flimzy | inetd: but widescreen can also be done over PAL or NTSC |
| 06:33.02 | inetd | Flimzy: so 1080x720? |
| 06:33.05 | Flimzy | inetd: Or any other type of signaling |
| 06:33.22 | Flimzy | inetd: No. 1080i is 1920x1080, IIRc. 720p is something like 1152x720 |
| 06:33.27 | beta_ | inetd: Resolution must go up with 16:9 |
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| 06:33.46 | Flimzy | inetd: But you can run widescreen at 480i, too... which is usually 640x480 |
| 06:33.48 | GuMbY | How do I tell which compiler was used to set up my kernel? I'm using Debian Stable but I am running a kernel from Debian Etch/testing.... |
| 06:33.59 | Flimzy | inetd: aspect ratio and resolution are completely independant |
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| 06:34.07 | deadcat | radz: thats one messy script dude |
| 06:34.21 | solidgroove | GuMbY, shows anything in dmesg? |
| 06:34.24 | radz | :))) |
| 06:35.14 | ladyisabel77 | ufficial debian rep have only free sw? |
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| 06:35.17 | jm_ | GuMbY: cat /proc/version |
| 06:35.29 | radz | deadcat, http://pastebin.com/511123 |
| 06:35.37 | radz | is it easy for you? |
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| 06:36.24 | inetd | Flimzy: for DVB capture what res should i use? |
| 06:36.34 | Flimzy | inetd: I've never used a DVB card... so I don't know. |
| 06:36.43 | deadcat | radz: i dont see channel and sound. i tried your script. no sound. i turned my line up and no sound |
| 06:36.43 | Flimzy | inetd: What are you capturing? |
| 06:36.46 | GuMbY | Ack! jm_: thanks, that did the trick... |
| 06:36.48 | ke6isf | ladyisabel77: ufficial?! |
| 06:36.49 | ejofee | could somebody please help me understand this ?: "Propagation of covered works is permitted without limitation provided it does not enable parties other than you to make or receive copies. Propagation which does enable them to do so is permitted, as "distribution", under the conditions of sections 4-6 below." (taken from the first draft of gpl 3) |
| 06:36.55 | radz | hmmm, will we work today or not, my company's office was taken off from power... |
| 06:37.03 | SpeMite | I'm running mepis. and i was wondering, what would happen if i had stable, etch and sid sources in my sources.list |
| 06:37.12 | radz | deadcat, did you chech audio mixer first? |
| 06:37.13 | Flimzy | inetd: Normally, you'll want to use the highest capture resolution your hardware supports, that isn't higher than the input signal's useful resolution |
| 06:37.18 | deadcat | radz: have you used mplayer to watch tv? does changing channel work? |
| 06:37.20 | SpeMite | SpeMite im running etch* |
| 06:37.27 | deadcat | radz: yes. checked |
| 06:37.39 | radz | I use tv time |
| 06:37.41 | ke6isf | Good Lord, is it Sunday again already?! |
| 06:37.48 | Flimzy | I use mythtv to watch TV |
| 06:38.05 | deadcat | Flimzy: mythtv still uses some app. |
| 06:38.06 | radz | hmm, deadcat, do you have radio on your tv-tuner? |
| 06:38.14 | deadcat | radz: no |
| 06:38.15 | inetd | Flimzy: what is the normal res for DVB capture? |
| 06:38.17 | Flimzy | deadcat: Yeah... it's called "mythtv" |
| 06:38.22 | deadcat | radz: cheap ass bt878 |
| 06:38.24 | Flimzy | inetd: Like I said, I don't use DVB, so I don't know. |
| 06:38.36 | radz | deadcat, avertv203studio\ |
| 06:38.50 | inetd | Flimzy: :( |
| 06:38.57 | Flimzy | deadcat: The binary used to playback TV in mythtv is called... 'mythtv' |
| 06:38.59 | ladyisabel77 | like this deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 06:39.16 | radz | deadcat, do you load needed kernel modules for tuner? |
| 06:39.22 | ke6isf | ladyisabel77: Oh, you mean the "official", not the "ufficial". |
| 06:39.23 | amphi | ladyisabel77: ? |
| 06:39.23 | Flimzy | deadcat: Except when using one of the plugins for playing external media media files... then you configure it to use mplayer or xine or whatever you want |
| 06:39.38 | ke6isf | ladyisabel77: What is your question? |
| 06:39.48 | ladyisabel77 | yes.. i'm italian... my english is not very ggod |
| 06:40.00 | ke6isf | ladyisabel77: No worries, I can work around that. |
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| 06:40.05 | Flimzy | inetd: I don't know if there is a 'normal' resolution for DVB capture. There probably isn't. |
| 06:40.14 | ke6isf | ladyisabel77: Though, you might also try #debian-it. |
| 06:40.16 | deadcat | radz: yes. i can watch tv with tvtime, effectv |
| 06:40.36 | ladyisabel77 | i ask for debian unofficial rep with no-free sw |
| 06:40.38 | radz | toggle input lines in audio mixer |
| 06:40.44 | inetd | deadcat/radz: can your tuners do picture in picture? |
| 06:40.52 | deadcat | radz: i can hear the lady talking on the news |
| 06:41.01 | radz | inetd, no |
| 06:41.02 | deadcat | inetd: no. its shitty |
| 06:41.11 | Flimzy | ladyisabel77: If you want non-free software with debian, add the 'contrib' and 'non-free' repositories to your sources.list |
| 06:41.14 | ke6isf | ladyisabel77: What software are you looking for? |
| 06:41.25 | radz | piprequires two tuners |
| 06:41.26 | ladyisabel77 | medicine sw |
| 06:41.26 | ke6isf | Flimzy: She wants the unofficial stuff though. |
| 06:41.27 | inetd | deadcat/radz: mine has it..but i am not sure howto get this feature working linux |
| 06:41.33 | ladyisabel77 | medical sw |
| 06:41.50 | Flimzy | ladyisabel77: For unofficial Debian software, try www.apt-get.org. |
| 06:41.51 | ke6isf | ladyisabel77: Can you elaborate on that/ What specifically is it for? |
| 06:42.21 | ladyisabel77 | patient gestionig |
| 06:42.29 | deadcat | radz: how did you get the channel list? |
| 06:42.34 | bucky | ladyisabel77: marillat ? |
| 06:42.35 | deadcat | dont say guess |
| 06:42.43 | radz | xawtv can scan |
| 06:42.43 | ke6isf | bucky: That's only multimedia. |
| 06:42.50 | radz | I took from it |
| 06:42.52 | deadcat | radz: xawtv hangs my box |
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| 06:43.05 | ladyisabel77 | marillat is not only audio and video? |
| 06:43.06 | bucky | ke6isf: what's the site for the other non-free sw? |
| 06:43.13 | radz | as I remember tvtime has utility for scanning |
| 06:43.21 | ke6isf | bucky: www.apt-get.org has many repos. |
| 06:43.23 | deadcat | radz: it scanned 1 channel |
| 06:43.46 | ke6isf | ladyisabel77: Question remains, is there patient questioning software for Linux in general? If so, it can be installed in Debian, though probably from outside of apt. |
| 06:43.48 | radz | deadcat, you're unlucky, hand edit config |
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| 06:46.32 | ejofee | to be more specific, what is the meaning of "propagation", in this context... "Propagation of covered works is permitted without limitation provided it does not enable parties other than you to make or receive copies." |
| 06:46.37 | Orlino | anyone here from AUS and using optusnet cable, I can't seem to access any server from outside |
| 06:47.12 | litage | on a debian system, how can one download packages from an rpm repository? |
| 06:47.19 | Flimzy | ejofee: What exactly are you talking about? |
| 06:47.36 | Flimzy | litage: 1) Normally, why would you want to? 99.9% of rpm packages are available as native .deb packages. |
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| 06:47.52 | Flimzy | litage: 2) You can install rpm for Debian, or 3) you can use alien to convert an rpm to a deb |
| 06:48.14 | ejofee | Flimzy: i am talking about gpl 3, the first draft. |
| 06:48.34 | litage | Flimzy: i need to download some rpms that are available only through an rpm repository; no direct links to the files exist |
| 06:48.37 | Flimzy | ejofee: so what is the question? |
| 06:48.42 | litage | Flimzy: they aren't standard packages |
| 06:48.44 | Flimzy | litage: What files are they? |
| 06:49.13 | litage | Flimzy: http://www.scopserv.com/v2/products.php?section=install |
| 06:49.24 | Flimzy | ejofee: You just need to know what propogation is? did you try a dictionary? |
| 06:49.56 | ejofee | Flimzy: it's not english. "propagation", too, is gpl 3 legalese. |
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| 06:50.11 | litage | Flimzy: should i just install yum, add the entries into yum.conf that are on that page, and then download the packages? |
| 06:50.12 | Flimzy | ejofee: propogation is an english word |
| 06:50.13 | ejofee | Flimzy: it is included under "definitions". |
| 06:50.29 | ejofee | Flimzy: to retort, propagation is also a french word |
| 06:50.33 | ladyisabel77 | "configuere udev initrd.img-2.6.15 was been alterated. cannot update" i've installed nvidia driver.. That is a problem? |
| 06:50.41 | Flimzy | litage: I thought yum was a suse thing |
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| 06:50.48 | ejofee | Flimzy: are you getting my point? wait, i will quote for you what it means. |
| 06:50.54 | Flimzy | litage: But if that works in debian, then go ahead |
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| 06:51.04 | Flimzy | ejofee: No, I'm not understanding your point at all. |
| 06:51.08 | litage | Flimzy: i just noticed that there's a yum .deb |
| 06:51.29 | ejofee | Flimzy: propagation is legalese, not english. |
| 06:51.29 | Flimzy | ejofee: The phrase you quoted from the gpl3 makes sense to me. I'm not sure what the question is. |
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| 06:51.35 | ejofee | Flimzy: Flimzy: To "propagate" a work means doing anything with it that requires permission under applicable copyright law, other than executing it on a computer or making private modifications. This includes copying, distribution (with or without modification), sublicensing, and in some countries other activities as well. |
| 06:51.42 | Flimzy | ejofee: Propogation is english. |
| 06:51.49 | Flimzy | ejofee: It means to spread. |
| 06:51.58 | ejofee | Flimzy: propagation is also french |
| 06:52.03 | Flimzy | ejofee: So what? |
| 06:52.14 | Flimzy | ejofee: Maybe kangaroos speak it too. Who cares? |
| 06:52.26 | Coke | Flimzy: you started the "is <language>" stuff |
| 06:52.28 | ejofee | Flimzy: so what if it's english? it does means something specific in gpl 3. |
| 06:52.43 | Flimzy | Coke: Where? |
| 06:52.49 | liable | whats that skip? you need a licence to propogate? Tk Tk Tk |
| 06:52.51 | Coke | 07:51 < Flimzy> ejofee: Propogation is english. |
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| 06:53.17 | Flimzy | Coke: that was in response to his statement that it was not english |
| 06:53.30 | Flimzy | ejofee Flimzy: it's not english. "propagation", too, is gpl 3 legales |
| 06:53.33 | ejofee | by my "it's not english" i mean it's not JUST english. it has some legalese meanings attached. |
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| 06:53.45 | ejofee | Flimzy, Coke: by my "it's not english" i mean it's not JUST english. it has some legalese meanings attached. |
| 06:54.04 | Flimzy | ejofee: Well, regardless of what other languages it has a word in... it is definately an English word, and uses the English meaning in that context. So what's the question? |
| 06:54.12 | ejofee | Flimzy: mine might have been an exageration. |
| 06:54.32 | ejofee | Flimzy: "i mean it's not JUST english" |
| 06:54.46 | Flimzy | ejofee: Okay. So it's not just English. WHAT THE HECK IS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT IT?? |
| 06:54.54 | ejofee | Flimzy: that is, an english dictionary wouldn't suffice |
| 06:55.10 | ejofee | Flimzy: my question is the same as in my first line |
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| 06:55.15 | Flimzy | ejofee: Excuse me for a moment, will you? I think I need to go run my head through a wall. |
| 06:55.19 | ejofee | Flimzy: haven't changed it in the meantime |
| 06:55.27 | ejofee | Flimzy :)) |
| 06:55.41 | ejofee | what is the meaning of "propagation", in this context... "Propagation of covered works is permitted without limitation provided it does not enable parties other than you to make or receive copies." |
| 06:55.58 | Flimzy | ejofee: Well then my answer is the same. Use a dictionary. |
| 06:56.40 | ejofee | i don't understand the meaning of a propagation in the context in which "it does not enable parties other than you to make or receive copies". |
| 06:56.50 | Flimzy | to propogate is to spread |
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| 06:56.54 | Flimzy | look it up |
| 06:57.11 | ejofee | Flimzy: i know what propagation means, both in english and legalese |
| 06:57.42 | Flimzy | ejofee: Then what's the problemm? |
| 06:57.53 | ejofee | Flimzy: i am implying i don't understand the text. it seems contradictory to me. |
| 06:58.11 | ejofee | what is a propagation in the context in which "it does not enable parties other than you to make or receive copies". |
| 06:58.18 | Flimzy | ejofee: Then I would say you don't understand t he english definition of propogation. Because it makes perfect sense to me. |
| 06:58.27 | liable | well, wtf does that have to do with debian anyway? |
| 06:58.38 | Flimzy | liable: it's in the gpl3 I guess. |
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| 06:58.54 | ejofee | liable: couldn't find any #gpl or #fsf channel. populated ones, i mean. |
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| 06:59.06 | croddy | that sentence is WTF |
| 06:59.29 | Pulsar | allo? |
| 07:00.03 | andromorph | Is this comedy hour ? |
| 07:00.08 | Flimzy | ejofee: Maybe #english would be a good place to start |
| 07:00.11 | andromorph | Abbot & Costello ? |
| 07:00.21 | ejofee | Flimzy: it doesn't make perfect sense to me. how can i propagate anything without enabling other parties to make or receive copies?! |
| 07:00.28 | ladyisabel77 | i've aintegrated via sound card.. via82xx.. with alsa the sound is fuzzy.. any idea? |
| 07:00.43 | croddy | Flimzy: i'm a native english speaker and that sentence is twisting my head off. how can you possibly propagate software without enabling others to receive it |
| 07:00.44 | Pulsar | Yeah, buy a new card |
| 07:01.08 | ladyisabel77 | :D.. in xp it sounds good |
| 07:01.17 | Flimzy | ejofee: You can make copies of software that only you use. |
| 07:01.27 | Pulsar | Dude, every damned channel is dead as hell tonight |
| 07:01.27 | Flimzy | ejofee: As in, for internal use within an organization. |
| 07:01.41 | croddy | well, at best, i'd say it's a crappy phrasing |
| 07:01.45 | Pulsar | was there a IRC raid that I was unaware of? |
| 07:01.53 | croddy | yes |
| 07:01.55 | croddy | cylon virus |
| 07:01.56 | Flimzy | croddy: Reception by another party is not requisite for propogation. |
| 07:01.56 | croddy | sorry |
| 07:02.03 | Pulsar | DAMN! |
| 07:02.05 | Pulsar | I knew it |
| 07:02.23 | Pulsar | I mean, thousands of people from around the world and noone has anything to say? |
| 07:02.52 | ApEtc | Pulsar: Debian is just working perfectly for everyone tonight. :) |
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| 07:03.09 | ejofee | Flimzy: well, that doesn't really fit my idea of "propagate", "spread", but i am getting your point. in this case, it seems the style of gpl3 here is like scratching one's right ear with the left hand. |
| 07:03.24 | croddy | i dunno. i think "copying" would be a lot more appropriate there. "propagation" has too many shades that imply reproduction and new users |
| 07:03.40 | Pulsar | I mean, I've been searchin for people to talk to since the **AA nicked i2hub |
| 07:03.49 | ejofee | Flimzy: that is, awkward. and for no evident reasons. |
| 07:03.49 | croddy | i'm looking at the OED entry right now and it's really not clear at all to me how to read that sentence |
| 07:04.21 | ejofee | Flimzy: agreed? |
| 07:04.26 | ejofee | Flimzy: (thanks anyway) |
| 07:04.32 | Pulsar | Lawlz |
| 07:05.11 | Orlino | anyone form AUS here and using optus? |
| 07:05.12 | Flimzy | it seems that propgation might include "allowing others to use the software" even if they can't copy it |
| 07:05.15 | Flimzy | as in the case of a web application |
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| 07:05.27 | Flimzy | Where to say simply "copying" wouldn't include that |
| 07:05.33 | liable | Orlino: check out whirlpool forums |
| 07:05.51 | Orlino | liable: doing htat now :) |
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| 07:05.53 | croddy | then say it -- "allow others to use, but not copy" instead of this foggy word "propagation" |
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| 07:06.04 | croddy | might as well go with "proliferation" or "bubbly grow" |
| 07:06.05 | Flimzy | croddy: *shrug* |
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| 07:06.15 | nevyn | hrm |
| 07:06.19 | BlakeRG | Anyone away of any type of network RAID for linux? |
| 07:06.26 | ne0futur | do people here use del.icio.us or de.lirio.us ? |
| 07:06.27 | Flimzy | croddy: perhaps there are other implications as well. I dunno. |
| 07:06.29 | BlakeRG | aware of any* |
| 07:06.30 | nevyn | BlakeRG: gfs |
| 07:06.42 | Pulsar | Well since I missed the original sentence, I have nothing to add |
| 07:06.46 | BlakeRG | nevyn: I can have access to gfs? |
| 07:06.48 | heath__ | is it safe to move packages out of /var/cache/apt/archives to a partition that actually has some disk space left? :) |
| 07:07.04 | croddy | heath__: apt-get clean purges them all, no reason you can't |
| 07:07.07 | ApEtc | heath__: IIRC, once stuff is installed you can erase those debs |
| 07:07.11 | nevyn | BlakeRG: Global filesystem needs multiple machines |
| 07:07.26 | ApEtc | Pulsar: Be grateful |
| 07:07.32 | ApEtc | You've missed nothing |
| 07:07.36 | heath__ | i thought so.. just wanted to be extra safe.. not my server :) |
| 07:07.36 | BlakeRG | nevyn: nevermind - I thought you ment google FS |
| 07:07.38 | BlakeRG | lol |
| 07:08.04 | liable | peon? |
| 07:08.08 | Pulsar | peon |
| 07:08.11 | Pulsar | mortal |
| 07:08.12 | nevyn | BlakeRG: then you're wrong |
| 07:08.15 | BlakeRG | anything not from redhat? |
| 07:08.17 | Pulsar | 1st tier |
| 07:08.31 | Pulsar | peasant |
| 07:08.35 | Pulsar | you get the picture |
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| 07:09.07 | nevyn | BlakeRG: you could do something dodgy with nbd and md if you could deal with a central point of failure |
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| 07:09.55 | Pulsar | You could use a really big magnet |
| 07:10.14 | accura2k | with the debian dvd iso's, can I set apt sources to point towards the dvd as I have with http and ftp sites? |
| 07:10.22 | BlakeRG | I am thinking about building a xbox cluster |
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| 07:11.02 | Pulsar | I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 30 |
| 07:11.10 | wizzomafizzo | 14 |
| 07:11.13 | ladyisabel77 | 27 |
| 07:11.16 | Pulsar | CLOSE! |
| 07:11.21 | Pulsar | lady that is |
| 07:11.21 | wizzomafizzo | 26 |
| 07:11.24 | Pulsar | BINGO |
| 07:11.25 | Flimzy | 4.136? |
| 07:11.28 | Pulsar | Good for you |
| 07:11.30 | wizzomafizzo | Woot. |
| 07:11.37 | Pulsar | I was gonna go with e |
| 07:11.37 | wizzomafizzo | Do I get money? |
| 07:11.43 | Pulsar | but figured we'd be here all night |
| 07:11.54 | Pulsar | You get a prize |
| 07:11.56 | Pulsar | not money |
| 07:11.59 | Pulsar | but a prize |
| 07:12.06 | wizzomafizzo | Yay. |
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| 07:12.16 | Pulsar | GOOD JOB |
| 07:12.18 | Pulsar | there you go |
| 07:12.19 | wizzomafizzo | >_> |
| 07:12.23 | Pulsar | your prize |
| 07:12.23 | wizzomafizzo | Yay! |
| 07:12.32 | croddy | Tea. Earl Grey. Hot |
| 07:12.35 | wizzomafizzo | I am enlightened. |
| 07:12.47 | croddy | well, it was worth a shot. |
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| 07:13.33 | wizzomafizzo | Maybe someone can tell me why acpi isn't enabled by default in the kernel and how to enable it? I can't even check my battery let alone check if the lid is closed. :( |
| 07:13.49 | Pulsar | Hrrmmmm |
| 07:13.53 | Pulsar | never had to do that |
| 07:14.00 | jm_ | it is enabled by default, you just have to load the modules |
| 07:14.14 | wizzomafizzo | Oh ok, well I have no experience with modules. |
| 07:14.20 | wizzomafizzo | How do I do that? |
| 07:14.23 | Flimzy | Grr |
| 07:14.26 | nevyn | wizzomafizzo: what kernel? |
| 07:14.28 | Pulsar | Won't rainmeter or something show you that? |
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| 07:14.34 | nevyn | acpi in 2.4.x is kinda .. dodgy |
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| 07:14.50 | wizzomafizzo | No idea. It's not on my laptop yet, but I'll be using 2.6 |
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| 07:14.55 | wizzomafizzo | With the testing repo. |
| 07:15.05 | Flimzy | I need a cdparanoia for DVDs |
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| 07:15.11 | jm_ | you load them using modprobe command or simply add them to /etc/modules -- man modules |
| 07:15.30 | wizzomafizzo | Is modprobe automatic? |
| 07:15.39 | Pulsar | Quick poll... how many of you are NOT CS majors or have CS degrees? |
| 07:15.48 | croddy | political science here |
| 07:15.52 | Pulsar | ewww |
| 07:15.54 | croddy | "science" |
| 07:16.24 | Pulsar | mech engr |
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| 07:16.32 | Pulsar | <3 race cars |
| 07:16.35 | ladyisabel77 | is on linux foundamental a firewall? |
| 07:16.36 | jm_ | I studied CS but haven't finished it |
| 07:16.36 | wizzomafizzo | I'm starting to hate this Ubuntu LiveCD, I need fast internet. |
| 07:16.39 | ootput | poli sci & econ here |
| 07:16.55 | ootput | doubling that was a bitch and a half |
| 07:17.06 | Pulsar | And none of you were on i2hub? |
| 07:17.08 | Pulsar | interesting |
| 07:17.16 | Pulsar | What colleges? |
| 07:17.29 | ootput | rice |
| 07:17.36 | Pulsar | We had RICE students |
| 07:17.48 | Pulsar | Goddamned RIAA |
| 07:17.49 | Pulsar | fuckers |
| 07:17.52 | Pulsar | sorry |
| 07:17.57 | ootput | no idea |
| 07:18.00 | Pulsar | [/rant] |
| 07:18.06 | wizzomafizzo | Well ok, if I use modprobe to add modules, how do I know which ones to add for acpi? |
| 07:18.12 | Pulsar | Uni of Tennessee here |
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| 07:18.45 | croddy | emory |
| 07:18.46 | ootput | atm? how well does your team perform? |
| 07:18.53 | Pulsar | ..... |
| 07:19.06 | Pulsar | rawr |
| 07:19.14 | Pulsar | Unless you mean Basketball |
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| 07:19.28 | ootput | ;) in general |
| 07:19.30 | Pulsar | Men's is rockin under a new coach and Women have like 50 Nat'l titles |
| 07:19.51 | Pulsar | Football... started #2... didn't even get a bowl by the end |
| 07:19.59 | Pulsar | just blew the season straight to hell |
| 07:20.16 | Pulsar | first time since 88 that we didn't bowl |
| 07:20.59 | ootput | i don't think next season will be any better ;) |
| 07:21.09 | Pulsar | Godverdomme! |
| 07:21.12 | Pulsar | it had better be |
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| 07:21.19 | Pulsar | I'll kill someone |
| 07:21.28 | Diablo-D3 | Pulsar: start with lilo |
| 07:21.39 | Pulsar | .... |
| 07:21.40 | ootput | you're a bleacher creature? |
| 07:21.41 | Pulsar | indeed |
| 07:22.00 | Pulsar | No, I'm more of a racing fan... but this town goes INSANE over football |
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| 07:22.09 | Pulsar | Infact, I race SCCA |
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| 07:22.20 | Pulsar | But... I mean... you should just see the city on Game Day |
| 07:22.41 | ootput | where exactly is UT? |
| 07:22.43 | ootput | memphis? |
| 07:22.50 | Pulsar | one of them is |
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| 07:22.55 | wizzomafizzo | Ok well I guess I'm gonna try debian again, modules seem pretty straightforward. Thanks for the help. |
| 07:22.57 | Pulsar | but the main campus is in Knoxville |
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| 07:23.13 | ladyisabel77 | ubuntu cacca |
| 07:23.13 | Pulsar | Knoxvegas |
| 07:23.16 | Pulsar | K-town |
| 07:23.22 | Pulsar | My City |
| 07:23.29 | ootput | one of my roommates dropped out and attended knox branch instead |
| 07:23.37 | Trackilizer | I downloaded CD1 and 2 of the lastest Debain version but why is it after i install it i don't have KDE, Gnome or even X for that matter... do i have to add it via apt-get? |
| 07:23.45 | ootput | Christopher White, i think his name was |
| 07:24.02 | liable | Trackilizer: because you didnt pick desktop during install |
| 07:24.03 | Pulsar | Knox is the main campus. Around 14k students... no way I'd know him. Especially with a common name like that |
| 07:24.14 | ootput | ahah, yeah, didn't think so either |
| 07:24.22 | liable | Trackilizer: as root, run .. tasksel .. and pick desktop environment |
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| 07:24.30 | Trackilizer | I see. |
| 07:24.33 | Pulsar | That's one of the reasons that I love this campus |
| 07:24.37 | Trackilizer | Thanks, i'll do that. |
| 07:24.45 | Pulsar | I can hang with my friends or be just a face in the crowd |
| 07:25.01 | Trackilizer | The next thing i want to know is, do i have to update "sources.list" like you have to in ubuntu? |
| 07:25.37 | ootput | Trackilizer: if you want to find a close repo, i suppose |
| 07:25.37 | liable | Trackilizer: not unless you want to run testing or unstable. |
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| 07:26.17 | Pulsar | Mmmm Heineken |
| 07:26.25 | Trackilizer | I see... so everying i need like xmms, vlc, java, firefox and azureus should already be there? |
| 07:26.39 | ice_1963 | or add contrib non-free |
| 07:26.39 | ootput | I miss game day .. any game day |
| 07:26.59 | Pulsar | Yeah |
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| 07:27.04 | Pulsar | I like race day better |
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| 07:27.12 | Pulsar | smell of race gas and burnt tires |
| 07:27.19 | Pulsar | rumbling engines |
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| 07:27.27 | Pulsar | people making last minute adjustments |
| 07:27.32 | Pulsar | pit lane girls |
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| 07:27.35 | Pulsar | it's erotic |
| 07:27.36 | Pulsar | lol |
| 07:27.50 | SpeMite | im getting GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: tried this fix then type: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 still doesnt help any ideas? |
| 07:27.58 | Pulsar | I may have sniffed one too many hydrocarbons though |
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| 07:28.02 | liable | Trackilizer: most stuff will be available on the two cd's you have, otherwise run apt-setup and add repos. |
| 07:28.06 | ootput | SpeMite: add key |
| 07:28.41 | ootput | | apt-key add - && apt-get update |
| 07:28.42 | Trackilizer | liable, the problem is, i don't know which repos to add and where to find them... |
| 07:28.45 | Pulsar | SpeMite: dump water on comp and see if that helps |
| 07:28.58 | liable | Trackilizer: thats what apt-setup is for. |
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| 07:29.03 | liable | !reference |
| 07:29.03 | dpkg | [reference] The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
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| 07:29.07 | liable | Trackilizer: ^^ |
| 07:29.21 | ladyisabel77 | gpg --keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys F530F04D try this |
| 07:29.47 | Trackilizer | liable, thanks alot, just what i needed. |
| 07:29.51 | Trackilizer | Thanks everyone. |
| 07:30.11 | ootput | bye kat. see you in a bit |
| 07:30.39 | ladyisabel77 | do you know a sw like virtualdub for debian? |
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| 07:31.05 | Jakk | which channel do I go to to talk to a AMD hardware junkie? XD |
| 07:31.40 | Jakk | :) |
| 07:31.51 | Pulsar | I couldn't tell ya |
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| 07:32.06 | Pulsar | plus I couldn't even remotely diagnose the problem |
| 07:32.19 | Jakk | Q: Can someone tell if if Dual Core AMD CPU's vs Single Core CPU's are worth buying? |
| 07:32.19 | Pulsar | now if you car is making a funny sound or something, I can diagnose that |
| 07:32.23 | Jakk | 1337 |
| 07:32.28 | Jakk | heh |
| 07:32.31 | Jakk | vera nice |
| 07:32.34 | nevyn | Jakk: #hardware |
| 07:32.58 | nevyn | Jakk: and as always the answer is "It depends." |
| 07:32.59 | Pulsar | I'm pissed that my friend now has 2 7800GTXs |
| 07:33.08 | Pulsar | rat bastard |
| 07:33.08 | Jakk | lol, funny how after I ask the question I'm reffered to the channel, but when I ask a channel I get no answer lol |
| 07:33.27 | Pulsar | I guess that's how they roll :) |
| 07:33.28 | litage | which pkg provides smbmount? |
| 07:33.29 | TraceGreen | Hello, which tool do you use to manager source code except cvs, i heard cvs is a little old. thanks. |
| 07:33.48 | litage | TraceGreen: check out subversion |
| 07:33.56 | Pulsar | I use my tool.. it's lo... sorry.. too much of a smartass |
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| 07:34.30 | liable | litage: smbfs iirc |
| 07:34.31 | Pulsar | Ok, I'll leave everyone alone now |
| 07:34.38 | Pulsar | bye |
| 07:34.45 | nevyn | TraceGreen: svn is popular but I really like the arch/bzr style tools |
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| 07:35.11 | SpeMite | GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: seems to be a loss cause |
| 07:35.28 | litage | thanks liable |
| 07:35.41 | liable | np |
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| 07:36.32 | ladyisabel77 | google "ftp.nerim.net etch pubkey" |
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| 07:37.07 | sep | "marillat key |
| 07:37.11 | sep | !marillat key |
| 07:37.11 | dpkg | i heard marillat key is gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 07:39.20 | AM|R | when im first installing debian.. dhcp was auto configured .. how can i disable the dhcp after the installation.. because i want to set my static ip.. can someone helps me? |
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| 07:40.05 | liable | AM|R: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz also man interfaces. |
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| 07:40.22 | Cyis | anyone happen to have worked with bridging and/or xen? |
| 07:41.17 | leninmhs | AM|R vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:41.18 | ladyisabel77 | /etc/network/interfaces past # The primary network interface |
| 07:41.18 | ladyisabel77 | auto eth0 |
| 07:41.18 | ladyisabel77 | iface eth0 inet static |
| 07:41.18 | ladyisabel77 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.18 | ladyisabel77 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:41.23 | sep | Cyis, i use bridging but not in relation to xen there is also a #xen channel |
| 07:41.24 | AM|R | liable i want to disable dhcp |
| 07:41.33 | Cyis | I'm just trying to bring up an interface without giving it an address |
| 07:41.39 | AM|R | because the dhcp is auto configured when i boot the system |
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| 07:41.47 | liable | AM|R: yes, read that file that i gave the path too, it well explained. |
| 07:41.52 | Cyis | sep: #xen would be great if everyone didn't just sleep in there |
| 07:42.08 | oskie | is it so stupid to make your own kernel for a server? (using make-kpkg) |
| 07:42.10 | sep | Cyis, stay up at night :) |
| 07:42.18 | Cyis | I've be in #xen here on freenode and oftc for most of they day and only seen one or too people say anything ;) |
| 07:42.36 | Cyis | sep: wouldn't that be great if I didn't have to be waking up in 4 hours to go back to work :) |
| 07:42.37 | sep | oskie, yes. unless you realy need to.. then it's clever :) |
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| 07:42.41 | leninmhs | #iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 07:42.50 | leninmhs | #dns-nameservers 200.44.32.12 200.44.32.13 |
| 07:43.10 | leninmhs | coment this lines |
| 07:43.16 | oskie | i was speaking to some *.rpm sysadmin a while ago, and she claimed that compiling your own kernel is pointless |
| 07:43.38 | leninmhs | and write the lines that say ladyisabel |
| 07:43.39 | sep | oskie, it is pointless. unless you have requirements not in the precompiled kernels |
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| 07:44.01 | oskie | sep: but what about optimization? etc.. |
| 07:44.01 | Cyis | xen had setup the bridge "xen-br0" with eth0 and then when I started my Xen domU it started and configured it's interface... from the dom0 the mac address for the domU interface was seen on xen-br0 but the domU couldn't get out to the network |
| 07:44.05 | sep | oskie, then you pretty much have no choise. but very very few have such requiremenets |
| 07:44.09 | mhall | shitstick |
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| 07:44.33 | sep | oskie, i have no illutions of myself beein able to optimize the kernel better then the debian kernel team that does this all the time |
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| 07:45.00 | sep | oskie, and since you ask in here nither are you |
| 07:45.24 | sep | oskie, but i do have the ability to break things in interesting ways :) |
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| 07:45.42 | mhall | sep: the ironic thing about this is, the debian kernel team doesn't think it's too capable of optimizing the kernel compared to the osdl developers so they don't try either ;-) |
| 07:45.57 | leninmhs | AM|R reboot the daemon #/etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 07:46.36 | sep | mhall, :)) |
| 07:47.30 | Cyis | hmm... well this appears to work but seems like a crude kludge |
| 07:47.31 | ni1s | Hello, Anyone here know Pure-FTPd? the configuration seems alite odd, and I could use some help |
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| 07:47.48 | mhall | Cyis: what is your kludge pray tell |
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| 07:47.56 | mhall | ni1s: we generally recommend vsftpd here |
| 07:48.00 | sep | oskie, and we havent even mentioned backporting security upgrades yet !! there is many reasons for using debian's precompiled kernels. and the only reasons not to is if you are forced to do it, or you are a developer working on the kernel. on a server i woudnt even consider it |
| 07:48.38 | ni1s | mhall, Ok, il look in to vsftpd |
| 07:48.45 | Cyis | mhall: ok.. scenerio is I have eth0 connected to my DMZ and eth1 to my LAN |
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| 07:48.59 | Cyis | LAN IP is a RFC1918 assigned address |
| 07:49.03 | GecKo | I'm having some issues with iptables - http://pastebin.com/511168 <-- lines 31 and 34/35 don't seem to work, everything else does, any ideas why? ;\ |
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| 07:49.18 | oskie | sep: ok... |
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| 07:49.27 | Cyis | eth0 I don't want to specify an IP address at all just have it on a bridge (xen-br0 which is setup by xend automatically) |
| 07:49.33 | oskie | sep: i'm not just too fond of all the hotplug / auto-detect stuff |
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| 07:49.57 | oskie | sep: but perhaps there's other ways to get rid of that |
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| 07:50.26 | Cyis | right now I have eth0 setup with an "iface eth0 inet static" and set the address to the network (ie- xxx.xxx.xxx.16/28 is my network so I set it to .16) with the netmask and broadcast mask |
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| 07:50.31 | leninmhs | ladyisabel you don't write the lines of network broadcast and gateway in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:50.34 | leninmhs | ??? |
| 07:50.42 | sep | oskie, tried uninstalling the packages ? |
| 07:51.03 | oskie | sep: no, but perhaps I'll break the system then ...:/ or I have to force load the modules in /etc/modules |
| 07:52.16 | sep | havent tried. try and you find out. and tell me afterwards :) |
| 07:52.26 | weenix | i got The Application "nautilus" has quit unexpectedly. |
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| 07:53.13 | oskie | you don't normally need acpi for servers, do you? |
| 07:53.26 | wizzomafizzo | Can someone give me a main debian repository to use? The one I have on my other computer only has the install dvd and security update mirror listed in sources.list |
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| 07:54.27 | liable | wizzomafizzo: run apt-setup |
| 07:54.33 | wizzomafizzo | Ok, thanks. |
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| 07:56.00 | mhall | oskie: it's helpful for getting IRQs assigned to all of the I/O cards |
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| 07:56.14 | mhall | Alright, how the fuck do I send a raw mail message in a text file with SMTP? |
| 07:57.18 | npx | what, via telnet? |
| 07:58.02 | mhall | problem is, how do i paste the whole bitch into telnet |
| 07:58.07 | npx | http://www.ostrosoft.com/smtp_component/smtp_demo.asp |
| 07:58.21 | Flimzy | mhall: copy and paste doesn't work? |
| 07:58.23 | npx | you could use netcat and pipe raw commands in like that |
| 07:58.28 | dilku | why can't I do a umount a device Message: device is busy ? |
| 07:58.29 | npx | if you felt h4x0rish |
| 07:58.34 | mhall | Flimzy: it's a big file |
| 07:58.34 | sep | cat file | mail -s subject recipient@domain.tld ? |
| 07:58.43 | Flimzy | dilku: Perhaps the device is busy |
| 07:58.54 | mhall | sep: here's the thing, it has mbox headers on it |
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| 07:59.26 | sep | mhall, so you want to inject it again and have smtp deliver acording to headers ? |
| 07:59.33 | dilku | if I have a exported that through NFS will that be Device Busy |
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| 07:59.52 | Flimzy | dilku: If it's being used over nfs, then sure |
| 08:00.04 | mhall | sep: yes! |
| 08:00.05 | fusion | Anyone know of a good caller-id application for X11? I've looked around and so far I've found one that "works" but it doesnt appear to support m,y country |
| 08:00.16 | mhall | sep: i got it out of reportbug because it got an smtp error and bombed |
| 08:00.35 | mhall | sep: i don't want to have to rewrite the whole bug report |
| 08:00.57 | rendi | can help meeeeeeeee |
| 08:01.09 | rendi | trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.xml', which is also in package xlibs |
| 08:01.11 | rendi | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 08:01.11 | rendi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.11 | rendi | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 08:01.39 | rendi | ?? |
| 08:01.51 | liable | rendi: dont paste in here. |
| 08:01.53 | Cyis | rendi: try #ubuntu ? |
| 08:01.57 | liable | !tell rendi about paste |
| 08:02.11 | rendi | <Cyis> rendi: try #ubuntu ? <== don't wanna speak to me |
| 08:02.22 | rendi | they are on that chn |
| 08:03.00 | Cyis | well that looks like you're trying to install xkeyboard-config from Ubuntu (Breezy) that isn't exactly Debian |
| 08:03.24 | rendi | so what command to complete remove that |
| 08:03.45 | jm_ | rendi: join #ubuntu |
| 08:03.49 | liable | rendi: its ubuntu, not debian, the package is different, so we cant help you. |
| 08:03.51 | Cyis | 1) Download Debian CD ISO; 2) Install Debian |
| 08:03.51 | rendi | i'm there |
| 08:04.12 | jm_ | ok so please ask there instead |
| 08:04.12 | Cyis | 3) then come to #debian to get help |
| 08:04.16 | sep | mhall, cat file | nc host 25 ?? |
| 08:04.35 | mhall | rendi: we don't help with ubuntu; read the topic; don't ask |
| 08:04.52 | sep | mhall, probably need to add the helo bit.. |
| 08:04.54 | mhall | sep: yeah i was thinking nc, right, but you need to have helo, rcpt to, etc |
| 08:05.03 | mhall | sep: so i just copied and pasted out of less :-/ |
| 08:05.15 | SpeMite | Can someone look at my pastebin, its the errors that APTS giving me http://pastebin.com/511177 |
| 08:05.18 | mhall | sep: luckily SMTP is a very forgiving protocol and supports the ^H key |
| 08:05.26 | mhall | sep: http, sadly, doesn't usually |
| 08:05.55 | AM|R | root 1767 0.0 0.2 1676 688 ? Ss 15:41 0:00 dhclient -e -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/run/dhclien |
| 08:06.01 | AM|R | how can i disable? |
| 08:06.22 | mhall | !tell SpeMite about 2006 key |
| 08:06.36 | mhall | SpeMite: man apt-key |
| 08:07.01 | mhall | SpeMite: generally, import key as root and run apt-get add ... |
| 08:07.25 | mhall | SpeMite: gpg --armor --export --keyid ... | apt-key add - |
| 08:07.33 | sep | AM|R, edit /etc/networking/interfaces, then /etc/init.d/networking restart. and you can purge the dhclient package if you'r not going to use it anymore |
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| 08:09.09 | inetd | !tell inetd about 2006 key |
| 08:09.14 | sep | !tell SpeMite about marillat key |
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| 08:10.13 | sep | inetd, you can talk to the bot in msg if you just want to chat with him :) |
| 08:10.55 | SpeMite | this command never works for me gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 08:11.11 | weenix | everytime i get into debian i get this message: The application " nautilus " has quit unexpectedly and then my desktop don't work when i click right mouse. what's going on? |
| 08:11.40 | inetd | :) |
| 08:12.06 | inetd | 2006 key has a bug in the bot msg |
| 08:12.21 | jm_ | so fix it |
| 08:12.32 | inetd | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.35 | inetd | it should be that |
| 08:12.40 | inetd | not sudo apt-key add - && apt-get update |
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| 08:12.46 | inetd | jm_: how do i fix it? |
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| 08:13.18 | GmLB | How can I configure a wired ethernet connection to use 802.1x authentication? My organization requires 802.1x be used in order for me to obtain an IP address on the LAN. |
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| 08:15.25 | inetd | jm_: sweet :) fixed |
| 08:15.39 | sep | !802.1x |
| 08:15.39 | dpkg | well, 802.1x is a paliative for the lack of security in 802.11, or a mean to implement strong authentification for wifi network associations, using things such as certificates, shared secrets, and more, or http://www.linux.com/howtos/8021X-HOWTO |
| 08:16.35 | jishin | i got kernel panic - not syncing: VFS : Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) when booting from new re-confiugred kernel |
| 08:17.15 | inetd | !rice |
| 08:17.15 | dpkg | i guess rice is good for you |
| 08:17.32 | jishin | i use kernel 2.6.14.4 |
| 08:17.35 | inetd | !dvb |
| 08:17.35 | dpkg | dvb is, like, DigitalVideoBroadcast.MPEG2 Streams are sent to TV and decoded digitally.See http://www.linuxdvd.org for more infos |
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| 08:18.31 | liable | mhall: you mentioned a package similar to wpasupplicant a while ago, what was it? |
| 08:18.38 | mhall | jishin: most probably you are missing an FS driver |
| 08:18.48 | mhall | liable: xsupplicant for 802.1x |
| 08:18.57 | liable | thats it. |
| 08:19.01 | mhall | liable: if it's wireless, probably *not* what you want |
| 08:19.11 | liable | mhall: no, for wired, |
| 08:19.16 | liable | GmLB: ^^ |
| 08:19.36 | inetd | !dvbstream |
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| 08:19.40 | GmLB | liable, ? |
| 08:19.50 | inetd | !capture |
| 08:19.51 | liable | GmLB: xsupplicant |
| 08:19.51 | jishin | do i have to build fs driver into kernel |
| 08:20.01 | liable | inetd: talk to the bot in /msg |
| 08:20.09 | mhall | can anybody tell me how much CPU juice it should take to play HD 1080 video streams encoded with WMV9 or DivX or XviD? My Athlon XP 1800+ and Turion 1600mhz chips both lag out. |
| 08:20.11 | GmLB | liable, Yes, but the xsupplicant docs only discuss using it on wireless? |
| 08:20.11 | inetd | liable: :) |
| 08:20.25 | GmLB | liable, And how am I supposed to ensure xsupplicant runs before dhcp tried to get an address? |
| 08:20.28 | mhall | GmLB: *are you sure* |
| 08:20.36 | PerfDave | jishin: Either you need to compile it in, or you need to use an initrd to store the module. |
| 08:20.40 | mhall | GmLB: you are *not* supposed to use xsupplicant on wireless |
| 08:20.41 | jm_ | mhall: why would you use divx/xvid with such a high resolution? |
| 08:20.49 | GmLB | liable, It's putting all the pieces together that I an unsure about... |
| 08:21.02 | mhall | jm_: well it's really good quality pr0n and i didn't encode it |
| 08:21.06 | liable | GmLB: ask mhall he seems to know a bit about it. |
| 08:21.07 | GmLB | mhall, I'm very confused, I"ve read the docs, I've loaded it, I've tried a good number of things, no luck |
| 08:21.19 | GmLB | mhall, I need to authenticate before I can get an IP |
| 08:21.19 | fireba11 | mhall: lol |
| 08:21.24 | mhall | GmLB: yeah; you would probably come out better if you used wpa supplicant |
| 08:21.30 | mhall | fireba11: why lie? |
| 08:21.40 | fireba11 | mhall: you probably need 2400+ or better for 1080 |
| 08:21.52 | mhall | GmLB: i've been at the cusp of getting this to work for months with no luck |
| 08:21.56 | GmLB | mhall, after I setup xsupplicant, what then? How do I test to see if aut is working? I am not using WPA? I am on a wired connection |
| 08:21.56 | jm_ | mhall: I can imagine it chewing a lot of CPU for such high resolution |
| 08:22.00 | jishin | i run my system on ext3, and had built ext3 fs driver into kernel |
| 08:22.01 | mhall | fireba11: not even that Turion would be able to do it eh? |
| 08:22.11 | mhall | GmLB: oof, wired connection |
| 08:22.21 | mhall | GmLB: not sure what to tell you there? can't you get a MAC override? |
| 08:22.24 | fireba11 | mhall: the bottleneck could easily be data throughput ... 1080 is a huge amount of data when decoded |
| 08:22.31 | GmLB | mhall, They refuse. |
| 08:22.34 | mhall | fireba11: hmm, PC2700 |
| 08:22.41 | mhall | GmLB: that's horrifying. where is this? |
| 08:22.42 | SpeMite | mhall for some odd reason this key does not wanna add |
| 08:22.43 | GmLB | mhall, They said their software only has room for one MAC address, and I have two computers. |
| 08:22.51 | GmLB | mhall, Stevens Institute of TEchnology www.stevens.edu |
| 08:22.58 | mhall | GmLB: that's gay |
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| 08:23.04 | jm_ | I have Athlon64 3200 here, but no movie to test it with ;) |
| 08:23.05 | rendi | !upgrade |
| 08:23.05 | dpkg | [upgrade] what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
| 08:23.05 | GmLB | mhall, Not very gay, but it is rather stupid. |
| 08:23.21 | mhall | GmLB: yeah sorry, that wasn't esp. politically correct |
| 08:23.24 | SpeMite | is this the right source? deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main |
| 08:23.31 | rendi | how to upgrade my breezy to debian 3.1 |
| 08:23.32 | rendi | ?? |
| 08:23.47 | PerfDave | rendi: Install Debian from scratch. |
| 08:23.54 | rendi | apt-get |
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| 08:24.07 | fireba11 | rendi: backup config and user data and re-install .. cleanest way |
| 08:24.10 | rendi | i wanna upgrade from apt-get |
| 08:24.19 | rendi | doh |
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| 08:24.25 | GmLB | mhall, Any advise would be MOST appreciated. I'm tearing my hair out |
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| 08:24.36 | xored | i just got my new DSL and iam gonna set up my ubuntu server as a router. As far as i know, i need something like a ppp0 driver and then some settings in the iptables ( which a know right now). Can someone help me with the driver ? |
| 08:24.38 | fireba11 | rendi: you could change your sources and dist-upgrade .. but no warranty for that .. ^^ |
| 08:24.49 | PerfDave | rendi: You can't "upgrade" between totally different distributions using apt-get, perhaps unless you're a total expert in which case you wouldn't be asking for help here ;) |
| 08:24.51 | rendi | ya fireba11 |
| 08:24.56 | fireba11 | xored: please note this is NOT #ubuntu |
| 08:25.02 | liable | from breezy to sarge? no fucking way. |
| 08:25.03 | rendi | can give me some reposito ? |
| 08:25.17 | jm_ | xored: this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 08:25.18 | PerfDave | fireba11: If rendi tried dist-upgrading they would not end up running Debian 3.1, they would be running some horrible bloody hybrid which you'd be lucky to even get booting. |
| 08:25.18 | xored | iam just pluged in my old ISA nework adapter as the 2nd ne in the system but iam not sure its running. How can i check wheater the driver is properly configured |
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| 08:25.29 | mhall | GmLB: yeah so am i trying to get fucking wireless not to fuck up |
| 08:25.29 | liable | rendi: go back to #ubuntu |
| 08:25.36 | PerfDave | xored: If you're running Ubuntu, please direct your questions to #ubuntu. |
| 08:25.38 | rendi | w00t |
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| 08:25.39 | xored | jm_, the server is debian sarge, iam on ubuntu on my desktop |
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| 08:25.50 | fireba11 | PerfDave: i know .. but since he insisted on it i tould him what he could try |
| 08:25.51 | PerfDave | xored: " i just got my new DSL and iam gonna set up my ubuntu server as a router." |
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| 08:25.54 | xored | PerfDave, , fireba11 the server is a debian sarge stable |
| 08:26.00 | mhall | xored: 00:24 < xored> i just got my new DSL and iam gonna set up my ubuntu server as a router. As far as i know, i need |
| 08:26.09 | jm_ | xored: that contradicts your earlier statement |
| 08:26.10 | mhall | xored: quit fucking lying to us; it's not cool |
| 08:26.23 | mhall | xored: do you think we are stupid? |
| 08:26.32 | xored | jm_, should i proof it for now or what shall i do ? |
| 08:27.01 | mhall | PerfDave: i don't object to that |
| 08:27.10 | mhall | PerfDave: what i object to is terms like 'breezy' |
| 08:27.18 | jm_ | xored: shows us dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 output from the server |
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| 08:27.18 | rendi | can give me some sources.lits about debian 3.1 ? |
| 08:27.23 | xored | one second |
| 08:27.27 | mhall | PerfDave: so your time would be better spent (imo) on UBUNTU IS NOT DEBIAN |
| 08:27.47 | PerfDave | mhall: I think it would help us to help people if they had a quick moron-friendly guide to Debian releases and better understood what they were trying to do :) |
| 08:27.57 | sep | rendi, use apt-setup ? |
| 08:28.04 | fireba11 | !sarge |
| 08:28.04 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 08:28.13 | xored | jm_, ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 08:28.19 | rendi | bash: apt-setup: command not found |
| 08:28.20 | mhall | PerfDave: not as much as it would to keep ubuntu users out of our damn channel |
| 08:28.23 | PerfDave | rendi: Please don't come to #debian asking for help after you've attempted this. You won't be running Debian, so #debian won't be able to help you. |
| 08:28.34 | mhall | rendi: install base-config |
| 08:28.38 | xored | jm_, so its ok now ? |
| 08:28.45 | GmLB | mhall, Would you recommend xsupplicant or WPA supplicant |
| 08:28.47 | jm_ | xored: that's not Debian sarge |
| 08:28.48 | SpeMite | mhall do i do this exact command gpg --armor --export --keyid ... | apt-key add - or do i add the key to it? |
| 08:28.56 | rendi | PerfDave i just need some sources.lits |
| 08:29.05 | PerfDave | rendi: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 08:29.08 | ladyisabel77 | try |
| 08:29.10 | mhall | SpeMite: if you tried the command you'd know from the error |
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| 08:29.15 | xored | jm_, one second |
| 08:29.15 | rendi | i'm on it now |
| 08:29.19 | mhall | SpeMite: replace ... with the key's hex ID |
| 08:29.34 | mhall | SpeMite: which is the same ID as what it was with which it was imported |
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| 08:29.40 | jm_ | xored: why? it won't change anything |
| 08:29.58 | mhall | rendi: deb http://mirrors2.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 08:29.59 | fireba11 | rendi: you did a backup ? since that is 98% gonna screw your system |
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| 08:30.18 | fireba11 | mhall: at least give him stable ^^ |
| 08:30.28 | PerfDave | mhall: I spend plenty of time reinforcing the fact that Debian is not Ubuntu, I don't think having a website to explain it more clearly would help :) |
| 08:30.34 | xored | jm_, : are you gonna tell me, iam not able to memory what OS i installed ? What sense would it make, run a server with ubuntu instead of debian ? |
| 08:30.38 | rendi | fireba11 i don't need backup it just test server :) |
| 08:30.43 | GmLB | mhall, And are there any docs on what I should do to generate/get certificates for my computer? Or are they generated or given to me automatically? I need to use PEAP. |
| 08:30.48 | mhall | PerfDave: no, whatever solution we would need would have to be in some quicker form |
| 08:30.58 | xored | jm_, : this is defenetly a debian sarge machine |
| 08:30.58 | fireba11 | rendi: tehn why don't you just reinstall ? that only takes 30 minutes |
| 08:30.58 | mhall | GmLB: ok with regard to PEAP and certs |
| 08:31.05 | PerfDave | mhall: Well, I don't think I'm likely to ever get ops on #debian ;) |
| 08:31.06 | mhall | GmLB: it's like SSL, the server has a cert |
| 08:31.14 | jm_ | xored: I'm just saying what you're telling us and what you pasted doesn't match |
| 08:31.23 | jm_ | xored: so yes, your memory is now what it should be |
| 08:31.30 | mhall | GmLB: in theory you should have some kind of user and pass |
| 08:31.37 | GmLB | mhall, Right, thats all i have |
| 08:31.37 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:31.38 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:31.40 | fireba11 | PerfDave: we should find a way to insert a default wallpaper in ubuntu that says "Ubuntu != Debian" |
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| 08:31.40 | xored | jm_, : maybe we could just stop that game. If that system would not be a debian sarge machine and i install ubunut drivers i will shoot it. Do you think, thats what iam trying to ? |
| 08:31.45 | rendi | fireba11 i don't wanna reinstall |
| 08:31.45 | liable | rendi: then just fucking install debian, we will *not* support you going from ubuntu to debian. |
| 08:31.49 | GmLB | mhall, Right but with SSL, the client generates its own automatically? I never had to generate a cert to use a SSL site |
| 08:31.50 | mhall | GmLB: which you generally send in using MSCHAPV2 because universities are stupid like that |
| 08:31.50 | rendi | i wanna apt-get |
| 08:32.04 | xored | jm_, : maybe you are just wrong with your suggestion wiht that library ? |
| 08:32.06 | mhall | GmLB: *YOU* don't need a cert, *THEY* have the cert |
| 08:32.17 | GmLB | mhall, Okay so I don't need to worry about the cert |
| 08:32.17 | fireba11 | rendi: you#re free to try .. but we're gonna say we told you so later ;-) |
| 08:32.21 | mhall | GmLB: it's extremely rare for SSL servers to check your cert but sometimes they do |
| 08:32.31 | mhall | GmLB: wipe this cert idea from your brain |
| 08:32.34 | jm_ | xored: nope |
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| 08:32.37 | mhall | GmLB: you care about the user and pass |
| 08:32.48 | mhall | GmLB: now, next step is a fucking configuration file |
| 08:32.55 | jm_ | xored: see this: |
| 08:32.58 | xored | jm_, just for your information : ii libc6 2.3.5-1ubuntu12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 08:32.59 | jm_ | !info libc6 sarge |
| 08:33.02 | mhall | GmLB: i'll try to help you put together a half-ass one that should be close |
| 08:33.06 | xored | this is on a ubuntu machine |
| 08:33.07 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 08:33.09 | GmLB | mhall, Okay. I have an OS X computer authenticating with it now- it was as simple as entering a user/pass... so I figured that's all I have to worry about on *nix heh |
| 08:33.11 | xored | the other is not |
| 08:33.19 | GmLB | mhall, For xsupplicant or wpa supplicant? |
| 08:33.23 | xored | jm_, : then maybe i updated it ? |
| 08:33.24 | jm_ | xored: see above |
| 08:33.24 | GmLB | mhall, I mean, which do you prefer? |
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| 08:33.37 | mhall | GmLB: sorry about the confusion on that subject it sounded like you were wireless |
| 08:33.44 | mhall | GmLB: you will actually want xsupplicant |
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| 08:33.52 | jm_ | xored: nope, Sarge doesn't have libc6 2.3.5 so you couldn't update it - it might be it's Debian Etch or sid, but not Sarge |
| 08:33.56 | GmLB | mhall, I have xsupplicant loaded now, but I am getting no useful info from the log, and I'm not sure what it's doing |
| 08:34.00 | xored | jm_, : i see and iam wondering. Maybe i installed some testing packages while trying to get some special VPN clients to work |
| 08:34.05 | GmLB | mhall, I edited the config and put my user/pass in the PEAP section |
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| 08:34.26 | SpeMite | mhall ok thanks for all ur help =) |
| 08:34.27 | tmircea | where can i read about upgrading debian from woody to sid |
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| 08:34.30 | xored | jm_, : maybe there is a 2nd way to test, wheater its a debian system |
| 08:34.31 | tmircea | to sarge |
| 08:34.32 | tmircea | sorry |
| 08:34.33 | GmLB | mhall, sorry to be going through this step-by-step but the docs on this topic are extremely limited. |
| 08:34.33 | mhall | SpeMite: yeah |
| 08:34.40 | mhall | GmLB: right-o; the docs are shit |
| 08:34.43 | PerfDave | tmircea: Read the Release Notes for sarge. |
| 08:34.50 | mhall | GmLB: once i get a working wireless and wired file i plan on posting them |
| 08:34.56 | tmircea | i dont have them |
| 08:34.58 | GmLB | mhall, What's your web addy? |
| 08:34.59 | jetscreamer | !tell tmircea -about woody->sarge |
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| 08:35.02 | mhall | GmLB: but since i don't have either just yet there is not much i can do |
| 08:35.09 | liable | god help us if rendi install debian.. |
| 08:35.11 | mhall | GmLB: www.mhcomputing.net |
| 08:35.20 | GmLB | mhall, also, how can I setup DHCP not to run until 802.1x auth has gone through? |
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| 08:35.29 | mhall | GmLB: yeah hold on with that, one step at once |
| 08:35.47 | fireba11 | liable: that will take a while since he's busy screwing his system right now ... |
| 08:35.54 | mhall | GmLB: first things first, does your .edu use windows domain accounts |
| 08:36.10 | xored | jm_, : |
| 08:36.12 | jm_ | xored: btw, I never said it's not Debian - I merely said it's not Debian Sarge -- cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:36.14 | xored | root@sweethome:/home/mayer# cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep test |
| 08:36.14 | xored | deb ftp://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/debian/ testing main |
| 08:36.14 | xored | #deb http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/ testing main |
| 08:36.26 | tmircea | is it worth installing hotplug/discover1? or i can use linux as it is |
| 08:36.28 | tmircea | ? |
| 08:36.30 | xored | so it seems, i have testing pakages in my sources |
| 08:36.31 | GmLB | mhall, We have two accounts, a SUN LDAP identity and a windows domain one. The windows one is being used for RADIUS far as I can tell. |
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| 08:36.47 | GmLB | mhall, so ,yes, Active Directory. |
| 08:36.52 | mhall | GmLB: yeah that figures; universities are stupid about authentication |
| 08:36.59 | mhall | GmLB: alright, we'll need mschapv2 |
| 08:37.05 | GmLB | mhall, Right, that's in the config here too. |
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| 08:37.14 | mhall | GmLB: my advice is to *RIP OUT* all other alternate authentications |
| 08:37.20 | GmLB | mhall, Did that too |
| 08:37.22 | xored | jm_, : 3.1 |
| 08:37.27 | mhall | GmLB: they seem to always confuse confound annoy and torment the daemons |
| 08:37.36 | mhall | GmLB: alright, next up... |
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| 08:37.49 | GmLB | mhall, what about the user_cert lines under eap-peap |
| 08:37.51 | jm_ | xored: your system is utterly fucked, some mix of testing/Sarge |
| 08:37.53 | GmLB | mhall, can i just delete them |
| 08:38.03 | mhall | GmLB: you have a couple picks |
| 08:38.08 | GmLB | mhall, user_cert, user_key, root_cert, etc |
| 08:38.22 | tmircea | is it worth installing hotplug/discover1? or i can use linux as it is |
| 08:38.22 | fireba11 | xored: so you got sarge installed but are using testing repository, which is etch ^^ |
| 08:38.25 | mhall | GmLB: back up the file, then delete them to improve readability |
| 08:38.35 | xored | jm_, : thats what i said in the upper. Its just a mix, cause i was not able to run what i wont to with sarge stable, so i used some testing packages |
| 08:38.55 | PerfDave | tmircea: Those questions are not mutually exclusive :) |
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| 08:39.11 | mhall | GmLB: now, make sure you have the eap-mschapv2 { } section, *not* a eap-peap { eap-mschapv2 { } } section |
| 08:39.13 | fireba11 | xored: leaving your sources like that was not a good idea though |
| 08:39.17 | xored | fireba11, it isnt. iam just using them if there is no other way. Not anyone is able to use the old-class-long-tested and secure packages |
| 08:39.32 | liable | backports?? |
| 08:39.33 | GmLB | mhall, I don't want eap-mschapv inside eap-peap? |
| 08:39.37 | fireba11 | xored: that's why there are backports |
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| 08:39.44 | mhall | GmLB: because unless they are handing out client certs (*truly* pathologically evil), this won't fucking work |
| 08:39.53 | fireba11 | xored: also you could have used etch all along :-) |
| 08:39.58 | xored | liable, : hmm, i thought backports are the same as "testing packages |
| 08:40.04 | mhall | GmLB: because, at least here, nobody has got client certs, only server certs |
| 08:40.07 | PerfDave | !backports |
| 08:40.07 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 08:40.17 | GmLB | mhall, They don't. |
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| 08:40.23 | tmircea | what is codename for debian testing/unstable ? |
| 08:40.26 | mhall | GmLB: now here is the thing i can never figure out |
| 08:40.30 | liable | xored: if they were the same, they wouldnt be backports.. |
| 08:40.36 | GmLB | mhall, So once the config is setup, how do I run this thing and see if its working? |
| 08:40.40 | xored | liable, thats an argument |
| 08:40.47 | mhall | GmLB: afaict, the servers usually have a cert, but the client's don't |
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| 08:40.57 | shingouz | tmircea: etch is testing, sid is unstable unless something has radically changed lately |
| 08:40.58 | mhall | GmLB: and all the example files seem to imply peap requires both |
| 08:41.07 | mhall | GmLB: but SSL and TLS don't so this never makes sense to me |
| 08:41.14 | ricercar | Hello, I'm running a 2.6.8-2-386 kernel. Can someone please tell me how to enable realtime kernel capabilities as required by "jackstart --realtime --driver=alsa"? |
| 08:41.17 | marculix | tmircea: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 08:41.22 | tmircea | ok |
| 08:41.24 | xored | but comming back to my problem,is anyone able to help me with that older ISA network device. it should be eth1, where can i check wheater it is detected ? |
| 08:41.24 | liable | shingouz: you havent been gone that long! :) |
| 08:41.29 | mhall | GmLB: in SSL and TLS you normally only ever verify the server cert |
| 08:41.31 | nukeu666 | i dont want "220 ProFTPD 1.2.10 Server (Debian)" to show up when someone ftps my server...what file do i edit? |
| 08:41.33 | shingouz | ty liable |
| 08:41.49 | PerfDave | xored: "ifconfig -a" will show you all network interfaces currently recognised by your kernel |
| 08:41.50 | mhall | GmLB: so i presume that regular eap-mschapv2 will work |
| 08:42.00 | xored | PerfDave, thank you |
| 08:42.04 | mhall | GmLB: because otherwise it seems like they are asking for shit that doesn't exist |
| 08:42.10 | shingouz | ricercar: i think you "only" have to get the sources from kernel.org, patch them and do a custom. in other words: if you have to ask, don't |
| 08:42.15 | tmircea | where can i read about upgrading woody kernel to sarge kernel 2.4.27? |
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| 08:42.16 | tmircea | pls |
| 08:42.17 | tmircea | link |
| 08:42.22 | eujoapd | What is the usual place of the SSH configuration file? |
| 08:42.33 | GmLB | mhall, indeed... |
| 08:42.33 | doubleukay | nukeu666, tried the docs at www.proftpd.org ? |
| 08:42.37 | mhall | GmLB: you probably also need to specify type = wired |
| 08:42.37 | jetscreamer | debian.org |
| 08:42.55 | weenix | hello. i got this message: The application "nautilus" has quit unexpectedly. |
| 08:42.56 | doubleukay | eujoapd, /etc/ssh/* or ~/.ssh/* |
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| 08:43.01 | shingouz | tmircea: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-whatever |
| 08:43.04 | mhall | GmLB: allow_types=eap-mschapv2 |
| 08:43.06 | xored | PerfDave, there is no eth1, only the PCI eth0. Would it be shown there, even if i would not have configured the network properties for that device ? |
| 08:43.06 | tmircea | ok. can i get myself a 2.4.31 from kernel.org or 2.6.15.1 and compile it from source? |
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| 08:43.10 | tmircea | without problems |
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| 08:43.14 | tmircea | i have sarge base install |
| 08:43.16 | liable | tmircea: just the kernel? iirc woody security wont last all that much longer, you should upgrade. |
| 08:43.19 | GmLB | mhall, Did that too. The docs say "eap-mschapv2 can also be defined as a sub-option inside of a PEAP profile." |
| 08:43.29 | GmLB | mhall, and the networking docs for windows say to enable PEAP. |
| 08:43.36 | GmLB | mhall, are you certain I don't want the mschapv2 inside it? |
| 08:43.44 | mhall | GmLB: shit, this is brutal |
| 08:43.44 | eujoapd | What is the usual place of the SSH configuration file? |
| 08:43.52 | mhall | GmLB: alright, here's what i'd try |
| 08:43.54 | shingouz | tmircea: a patched realtime kernel? as your first custom kernel? get at least ten pounds of tylenol and a barrel of caffeine |
| 08:43.55 | xored | eujoapd, /etc/sshd |
| 08:44.05 | eujoapd | okay, thank you |
| 08:44.09 | mhall | GmLB: i'd try PEAP, with the user shit pounded out, and the mschapv2 inside and outside |
| 08:44.10 | GmLB | mhall, At any rate, what would I do to see if this beast is working? the log output is useless? |
| 08:44.20 | xored | no eujoapd /etc/ssh |
| 08:44.23 | xored | eujoapd, sorry |
| 08:44.40 | tmircea | shingouz what are you talking about.. i just want to compile a vanilla kernel im currently running only woody 2.4.18 |
| 08:44.51 | xored | PerfDave, no idea ? |
| 08:44.53 | weenix | what's going gon to my nautilus |
| 08:44.58 | shingouz | tmircea: why not apt-get the stuff in then? |
| 08:45.01 | PerfDave | xored: "ifconfig -a" will show you all network interfaces currently recognised by your kernel |
| 08:45.11 | tmircea | how what is the name of the package |
| 08:45.14 | mhall | GmLB: then for allowed protocols, eap-mschapv2 and eap-peap |
| 08:45.19 | fireba11 | weenix: no way to tell without knowing what you did and what error you got |
| 08:45.26 | shingouz | tmircea: more to the point, why are you still at woody when sarge got out june 6th |
| 08:45.29 | mhall | GmLB: alright, for debug output, start xsupplicant as root with -d A |
| 08:45.34 | PerfDave | tmircea: Use a Sarge kernel-image package instead, much easier than compiling your own. |
| 08:45.35 | xored | PerfDave, then its not recognised. What are the steps for me to go now ? I have nearly no experience with the ISA bus under linux |
| 08:45.36 | mhall | GmLB: xsupplicant -? to get CLI options |
| 08:45.46 | ricercar | shingouz: Ouch! I think need the realtime stuff for multi-track sound recording. How well can I expect the standard distro kernel to do? |
| 08:45.55 | mhall | GmLB: -i is also useful |
| 08:45.55 | tmircea | i have upgraded at night to sarge, i am running sarge but the kernel didnt got upgraded!~ |
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| 08:46.10 | PerfDave | xored: I suggest googling for your NIC + "linux" |
| 08:46.12 | fireba11 | tmircea: do it manually ? |
| 08:46.18 | mhall | GmLB: and -f to get foreground logs + messages of course |
| 08:46.31 | xored | PerfDave, what does NIC mean ? |
| 08:46.33 | shingouz | ricercar: it doesnt have realtime capabilities afaik. i have tried the rt kernels here on my laptop. they work but unless you absolutely positivelyy need them, do not bother |
| 08:46.35 | PerfDave | xored: Network Interface Card |
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| 08:46.39 | xored | ;) |
| 08:46.42 | PerfDave | xored: You might want to look at the isapnptools package. |
| 08:46.49 | tmircea | ok im getting 2.4.27 but tell me what apt-get install .... ? |
| 08:46.55 | xored | PerfDave, ok i try |
| 08:46.57 | PerfDave | tmircea: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 08:46.57 | tmircea | i dunno |
| 08:47.00 | tmircea | ok |
| 08:47.08 | mhall | GmLB: i fucking hate 802.1x and WPA; they are the worst networking standards i've ever encountered |
| 08:47.09 | weenix | fireba11, i just reboot as root and going into debian i got the message said nautilus has quit unexpectedly. i have to click close button because the restart application button don't work |
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| 08:48.30 | tmircea | AMD Duron 1100mhz is a K6 2/3 or a K7 cpu? so i can know what kernel image to choose |
| 08:48.56 | shingouz | k7 tmircea afaik |
| 08:49.02 | tmircea | ok |
| 08:49.11 | mhall | tmircea: yeah K6 was like the P II series of Intel |
| 08:49.16 | fireba11 | tmircea: good question .. should be k7 .. old kernel stays in grub as fallback anyway |
| 08:49.26 | mhall | tmircea: back on socket 7 n shit |
| 08:49.26 | ricercar | shingouz: OK, Thanx for the advice :(. Bye now |
| 08:49.29 | npx | It's k7 |
| 08:49.37 | shingouz | ricercar: np |
| 08:49.38 | GmLB | mhall, it is jsut switching from disconnected to connected to disconnected...? |
| 08:49.43 | npx | Everything after the k6-2 is k7 |
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| 08:49.46 | mhall | GmLB: yeah i had this problem too |
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| 08:50.05 | mhall | GmLB: and the people on the other end refused to look at their logs and tell me what the fuck the problem was |
| 08:50.14 | mhall | GmLB: and they finally let me have a mac override |
| 08:50.26 | mhall | GmLB: this is why i hate M$ and Cisco |
| 08:50.39 | xored | PerfDave, it seems like my sources are broken and the stuttgart mirror is down. Where to find new sources ? ( stable) |
| 08:50.46 | mhall | GmLB: i swear to God if i ever make a large net hardware purchase it will be Juniper |
| 08:50.55 | PerfDave | xored: apt-setup |
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| 08:51.11 | ladyisabel77 | does a gui for fortunes exist? |
| 08:51.12 | mhall | GmLB: can you get an el-cheapo router box and give the mac override to that? |
| 08:51.32 | xored | PerfDave, perfect, thank you |
| 08:51.46 | mhall | GmLB: i *still* don't know what causes that problem |
| 08:51.50 | GmLB | mhall, Good suggestion, but I would like to not add a layer of NAT. |
| 08:52.12 | GmLB | mhall, it's nice to be able to video conference without headaches |
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| 08:52.21 | mhall | GmLB: actually there's a way around it |
| 08:52.29 | mhall | GmLB: UPNP and the DMZ function |
| 08:52.46 | mhall | GmLB: you can pick one of the boxes to handle all of the incoming requests so it functions with no NAT |
| 08:52.53 | GmLB | mhall, yes, but then I have services on each box |
| 08:53.00 | GmLB | mhall, and ichat AV hates upnp |
| 08:53.01 | mhall | GmLB: you could also override MAC addresses if you are willing to switch between things |
| 08:53.09 | mhall | GmLB: yeah ichat is broken |
| 08:53.21 | mhall | GmLB: it also refuses to let you talk with AOL users marked hidden |
| 08:53.23 | pitillo | hi, si there any site that shows the list of packets installed by a base install? |
| 08:53.29 | GmLB | mhall, but when it works, it's the cleanest video |
| 08:53.39 | mhall | GmLB: true *when* it works |
| 08:53.44 | xored | PerfDave, i installed isapnptools right now. Do i need to configure it or what shoudl it help me to do ? |
| 08:53.52 | mhall | GmLB: this is really really miserable |
| 08:53.53 | GmLB | mhall, its the first USEFUL video chat |
| 08:54.03 | PerfDave | xored: /usr/share/doc/isapnptools |
| 08:54.07 | jm_ | pitillo: why would you need a site for that? |
| 08:54.10 | GmLB | mhall, yeah I'm pretty POed |
| 08:54.12 | mhall | GmLB: i wish there were an irc channel for it |
| 08:54.21 | mhall | GmLB: because you've done everything i did |
| 08:54.22 | tmircea | i have choosen kernel-image-2.6.8-k7 as my kernel is it good? |
| 08:54.26 | mhall | GmLB: and fucking nothing works |
| 08:54.27 | tmircea | what do u think |
| 08:54.35 | mhall | GmLB: supposedly fedora or somebody has a wizard |
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| 08:54.50 | shingouz | tmircea: should be, try it |
| 08:54.53 | mhall | GmLB: maybe try wpa supplicant for the hell of it and see if it works |
| 08:54.55 | PerfDave | tmircea: "good" is a very vague term :) It works just fine for me. |
| 08:55.01 | GmLB | mhall, ::sigh:: Thank you for all the time/effort |
| 08:55.10 | mhall | GmLB: it was never too clear to me how either is different from the other |
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| 08:55.16 | pitillo | jm_, I need to restore the basic packets to my computer, but dont want to reinstall it... if there is a way to know the basic packets I can download them |
| 08:55.22 | GmLB | mhall, yu're the first person that didn't tell me to google 802.1x linux |
| 08:55.25 | mhall | GmLB: i'm really sorry i don't know any more; let me search for an irc chan |
| 08:55.37 | mhall | GmLB: maybe we can tagteam it and slam it together somehow |
| 08:55.39 | GmLB | mhall, I swear there couldn't be less information on this topic |
| 08:55.39 | xored | PerfDave, do i need to activate ISA in the kernel or someting ? is a modprobe needed ? |
| 08:55.42 | npx | GmLB, what are you trying to do? |
| 08:55.44 | jm_ | pitillo: it's trivial to get the list with grep-dctrl tools or dpkg-awk |
| 08:55.55 | PerfDave | xored: Did you try reading the documentation? |
| 08:56.02 | GmLB | npx, Setup 802.1x PEAP authentication over a wired lan |
| 08:56.04 | xored | iam on the online docu right now |
| 08:56.31 | weenix | how to restar nautilus? |
| 08:56.45 | fireba11 | hm .. is there a simple command to check uptime of a box ? *can't find anything* |
| 08:56.52 | PerfDave | xored: What about the documentation I pointed you towards, in /usr/share/doc? |
| 08:56.57 | liable | fireba11: uptime |
| 08:56.59 | PerfDave | fireba11: "uptime"? |
| 08:57.04 | pitillo | jm_, yes, its trivial when you try it in a computer with the base system |
| 08:57.19 | fireba11 | liable PerfDave head@table |
| 08:57.31 | liable | heh |
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| 08:57.47 | jm_ | pitillo: you can't have a Debian system without the base packages |
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| 08:58.29 | xored | PerfDave, thought it would be the same(searched before you pointed me) sorry iam on it |
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| 09:00.01 | xored | PerfDave, how can i check , wheater its built in in my kernel ? |
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| 09:00.43 | PerfDave | xored: les /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 09:00.47 | PerfDave | ^les^less |
| 09:00.55 | jm_ | xored: using a Debian kernel? it is, no doubt about it |
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| 09:00.57 | xored | PerfDave, : 2.6.8-2-386 thats my kernel |
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| 09:01.05 | PerfDave | xored: less /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 09:01.05 | fireba11 | hm .. got uptimes fo 67 days on most boxes .. that was the last power outage ^^ |
| 09:01.08 | pitillo | jm_, I lost some packets and I want to jm_restore them, .. |
| 09:01.10 | xored | jm_, iam using the standard sarge kernel |
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| 09:01.51 | weenix | if i want to remove nautilus competely, is there anything else i should to remvoe? |
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| 09:02.22 | pitillo | jm_, know I have a chrooted debian, and I need the base packages :) |
| 09:02.27 | jm_ | pitillo: so install grep-dctrl tools and generate the list and reinstall them |
| 09:02.31 | crypt_ex | Is there any documention Debian specific out there, in regards to the actual system in place, the parts which are different from Redhat based systems and anything else that is to do with Debian? Wanna good read. |
| 09:02.39 | xored | PerfDave, i do not find anything starting with isa in that file Pegger |
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| 09:02.44 | xored | PerfDave, i do not find anything starting with isa in that file PerfDave |
| 09:02.56 | xored | sorry for twice posting |
| 09:02.59 | PerfDave | xored: Well, that's the config for your kernel. |
| 09:03.00 | shingouz | crypt_ex: try the obvious: www.debian.org |
| 09:03.09 | PerfDave | xored: I suggest you look again, however. |
| 09:03.19 | xored | PerfDave, ok |
| 09:03.29 | PerfDave | Bye bye all |
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| 09:03.36 | crypt_ex | shingouz, have....lots of howtos and not what I am actually after. |
| 09:04.00 | weenix | somebody save my nautilus, please. somebody. |
| 09:04.28 | shingouz | crypt_ex: if you are trying to look for a way to make a redhat into debian, just install fresh. other than that i have really no idea what you are looking for |
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| 09:04.41 | shingouz | (and damn but this connection is sucky) |
| 09:04.47 | noiesmo | weenix, make up your mind first you wanna remove it now save it wtf |
| 09:04.58 | xored | jm_, : i have the line CONFIG_ISA=y inmy kernel CFG |
| 09:04.59 | crypt_ex | shingouz, now why would I wanna do that lol |
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| 09:05.10 | jm_ | xored: yes, I told you you would have it |
| 09:05.11 | htedrom | hey all |
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| 09:05.15 | xored | jm_, : also CONFIG_EISA |
| 09:05.22 | htedrom | how do i install and configure two packages at the same time? |
| 09:05.33 | htedrom | i have two packages that depend on each other |
| 09:05.43 | noiesmo | htedrom, apt-get install packa pack2 |
| 09:05.46 | xored | jm_, : Perf told me to look, i just followed. Why is he then not able to detect that card ? |
| 09:06.00 | htedrom | noiesmo, but i have the files locally, not on a repository |
| 09:06.04 | htedrom | can i do it with dpkg? |
| 09:06.05 | weenix | i don't know. how many times i should describe the error message. it's the god-damed nautilus quit unexpectedly. that's all. is it clear? damn. cheese chris. |
| 09:06.06 | jm_ | xored: you need to load the module for it |
| 09:06.12 | shingouz | xored: enlighten me, what card? |
| 09:06.20 | mhall | !zoosmite 802.1x and WPA |
| 09:06.20 | dpkg | Fuck, fuck, fuck a duck; screw a kangaroo! Finger-bang an orangutan-- God, 802.1x and WPA loves the zoo! |
| 09:06.26 | jm_ | htedrom: yes, dpkg -i foo1.deb foo2.deb |
| 09:06.32 | xored | jm_, : CONFIG_ISAPNP=y is also in the config |
| 09:06.36 | mhall | !mhallsmite shitty wireless encryption documentation |
| 09:06.40 | xored | shingouz, its an ISA network device |
| 09:06.43 | raf256 | !smitesmite mhall |
| 09:06.50 | xored | jm_, : which module do i need ? |
| 09:06.58 | fireba11 | weenix: that still doesn't tell us if it was a one-time-error or happens every time now or what |
| 09:07.00 | shingouz | xored: and now for the specifics? |
| 09:07.05 | htedrom | thanks jm_ |
| 09:07.08 | xored | shingouz, one second |
| 09:07.09 | htedrom | thanks all |
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| 09:07.10 | htedrom | cheers |
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| 09:07.30 | weenix | fireba11, every time i got into the stupid system |
| 09:07.47 | jm_ | xored: that would depend on the card in question |
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| 09:07.52 | fireba11 | weenix: what about apt-get remove nautilus then ? |
| 09:07.53 | weenix | the rich internet resources doesn't help me. |
| 09:07.59 | xored | shingouz, one second, i need to shut down the server to look at the card |
| 09:08.13 | shingouz | xored: ok |
| 09:08.18 | weenix | fireba11, nautilus completely gone. |
| 09:08.25 | shingouz | xored: dmesg should tell you something too for that matter |
| 09:08.36 | xored | shingouz, its an RTL8019 chip, so a std realtek ? |
| 09:08.45 | fireba11 | weenix: so you get the error without having nautilus installed ?? |
| 09:08.47 | weenix | fireba11, and then, i reinstall nautilus. there is error again |
| 09:08.51 | shingouz | sounds like it xored |
| 09:09.09 | xored | shingouz, there is nothing further on it, so its noname |
| 09:09.14 | fireba11 | weenix: try a apt-get remove --purge nautilus then .. to have everythign removed |
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| 09:09.29 | noiesmo | fireba11, maybe weenix needs to --purge when removes |
| 09:09.52 | fireba11 | noiesmo: didn't know he tried to remove at all untill a moment ago ^^ |
| 09:10.00 | shingouz | xored: maybe what dpkg told you helps a bit? |
| 09:10.06 | A64 | Hi, can you recommend me a really good Win9x emulator ? I installed wine but cannot configure it when I press the configure button. |
| 09:10.08 | weenix | fireba11, and then. should i reboot and reinstall it? |
| 09:10.10 | xored | one second, booting :) |
| 09:10.14 | noiesmo | fireba11, np :) |
| 09:10.17 | fireba11 | weenix: no need to reboot |
| 09:10.41 | weenix | fireba11, ok. i am going to reinstall it |
| 09:10.42 | fireba11 | weenix: you might need to restart xserver though |
| 09:10.45 | shingouz | xored: basically, boot the thing up and modprobe the appropriate module, check with ifconfig -a |
| 09:11.19 | xored | shingouz, i just checked into the bios, seems to be ok. Nothing disabled for ISA |
| 09:11.23 | noiesmo | !reboot |
| 09:11.24 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 09:11.31 | xored | iam booting now and try what you said |
| 09:11.42 | FinnTux | KDE 3.5 for sarge? if there is one, how safe it is to upgrade? |
| 09:11.52 | shingouz | xored: when the system is up, just try to modprobe the realtek modules one by one and see if they like the card |
| 09:12.05 | pitillo | jm_, with grep-dctrl can I regenerate tha base system packages or only my list of packages? |
| 09:12.36 | xored | shingouz, iam not used to modprobe. modprob -l would give me the list ? |
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| 09:13.12 | weenix | damn. it doesn't work |
| 09:13.18 | shingouz | xored: man modprobe. (modprobe <modulename> to install, modprobe -r <modulename> to remove) |
| 09:13.19 | weenix | i give up |
| 09:13.25 | jm_ | pitillo: only list them, but you can feed the list to aptitude/apt-get ... |
| 09:13.55 | pitillo | jm_, , but what list? the base system or installed packages? |
| 09:14.03 | xored | shingouz, thats clear, but how to know, which modules to choose ? modprobe -l | grep real didnt gave me one single |
| 09:14.08 | shingouz | xored: try modprobe 8139too |
| 09:14.12 | xored | ok |
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| 09:14.33 | shingouz | xored: ...what dpkg told you.... ;) |
| 09:14.45 | xored | shingouz, : FATAL: Module 8129too not found. |
| 09:14.55 | shingouz | xored: uname -r |
| 09:15.04 | xored | shingouz, what should i check with dpkg ? sorry iam not that debian proof |
| 09:15.08 | weenix | after i remove --purge nautilus, i still can whereis nautilus. what's going on? |
| 09:15.17 | shingouz | !tell xored about realtek |
| 09:15.24 | xored | shingouz, : 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 09:16.01 | xored | shingouz, read that before |
| 09:16.08 | Glanzmann | Hello; I am looking for a xv application for debian testing? Anyone? |
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| 09:16.28 | xored | so what do i have to do now shingouz ? |
| 09:16.33 | weenix | where is the debian expert? |
| 09:16.42 | jm_ | pitillo: you can tell it to list all the packages from the base |
| 09:16.42 | shingouz | xored: you tried 8129too.... :) |
| 09:16.46 | pitillo | !tell pitillo about realtek |
| 09:16.46 | xored | yes |
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| 09:16.53 | shingouz | xored: it is 8139 |
| 09:17.03 | pcman | I've developed a new file manager for X. |
| 09:17.04 | xored | :/ |
| 09:17.08 | shingouz | pitillo: you can also msg dpkg |
| 09:17.14 | pcman | Does anyone want to try it? ;-) |
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| 09:17.25 | pitillo | sorry shingouz :) |
| 09:17.34 | shingouz | pitillo: np |
| 09:17.43 | Glanzmann | What was the bug reporting tool for debian again? |
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| 09:18.26 | xored | shingouz, sorry, he didnt complain now, but the inteface didnt show up with ifconfig -a |
| 09:18.45 | pitillo | jm_, well, thanks. Time to read man :) |
| 09:19.00 | ladyisabel77 | what is multitasking pre-emptive? |
| 09:19.04 | shingouz | xored: nothing with ifconfig? that is strange |
| 09:19.26 | xored | ladyisabel77, is only the Process itself can give away the CPU, not the OS can force him |
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| 09:20.10 | ladyisabel77 | is there in linux or in xp? |
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| 09:20.24 | xored | ladyisabel77, so whil running to threads pseudo-paralell no thread can be force to give away the CPU |
| 09:20.25 | noiesmo | fireba11, isn't nautilus file manager for gnome ? |
| 09:20.28 | shingouz | ladyisabel77: in linux yes, in xp: who cares |
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| 09:20.36 | xored | ladyisabel77, linux is praemtiv |
| 09:20.40 | fireba11 | noiesmo: think so, yes |
| 09:20.57 | Glanzmann | ?? xv |
| 09:20.57 | xored | ladyisabel77, XP is praemtiv too |
| 09:21.03 | noiesmo | fireba11, so if weenix realyy want to he could go kde then no nautilus |
| 09:21.16 | horror_vacui | I'm trying to install an xorg backport for sarge, but the source listed everywhere doesn't work. Any hints on this? |
| 09:21.21 | ladyisabel77 | thanks |
| 09:21.23 | xored | shingouz, what can i do further ? |
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| 09:22.11 | mhall | !tell horror_vacui about backports |
| 09:22.31 | shingouz | xored: you sure the nic is configured correctly? the 3c509 wants to be configured with the 3com configuration software before it functions correctly |
| 09:24.00 | weenix | noiesmo, yeah. i really want to go to kde now. nice advice. |
| 09:24.40 | weenix | noiesmo, how about ther others GUI? |
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| 09:25.48 | nukeu666 | i cant get the 2006 key which dpkg says |
| 09:25.54 | nukeu666 | gpgkeys: HKP fetch error: Connection refused |
| 09:25.55 | noiesmo | weenix, who other gui xfce4 |
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| 09:26.33 | weenix | noiesmo, i am wodering. why i have to have nautilus, it works fine without it |
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| 09:27.01 | aris_ | how to reset pa password using a boot cd |
| 09:27.07 | weenix | noiesmo, so. let it out. i am doing my job, it does it's. |
| 09:27.23 | aris_ | ??? |
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| 09:27.47 | noiesmo | weenix, anyhow i didnt direct the kde option to you but if it works fine without then how cares if its on your sysytem just dont use it |
| 09:27.57 | horror_vacui | How do I ask this dpkg bot something? with !ask? |
| 09:28.06 | raf256 | how well does unstable xorg 6.9 work? |
| 09:28.17 | raf256 | with composite |
| 09:28.34 | shingouz | !tell aris_ about i forgot root's password |
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| 09:28.43 | horror_vacui | !ask simple sid |
| 09:28.47 | weenix | noiesmo, yeah. how to set the dafault display manager, i mean if i have install xfce4, i want the system starts with xfce4. what should i do? |
| 09:29.02 | shingouz | horror_vacui: /msg dpkg |
| 09:29.12 | horror_vacui | shingouz: Thanks. |
| 09:29.15 | shingouz | np |
| 09:29.52 | deconvolution | hi, one of my machines use debian stable. But now it cannot use shutdown now to close my machine(i have to use init 0), which debian package contains the shutdown command which i can try to reinstall it? |
| 09:30.21 | jm_ | decnv;/msg dpkg search |
| 09:30.24 | jm_ | deconvolution ^^^ |
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| 09:30.38 | noiesmo | weenix, install xdm and then XSESSION="Xfce-4" to rc.conf and restart xdm |
| 09:30.50 | xored | shingouz, sorry i way away |
| 09:30.52 | shingouz | deconvolution: shutdown -h now as root should do the trick |
| 09:30.55 | weenix | noiesmo, thanks. |
| 09:31.15 | xored | shingouz, what do you mean with configured "correctly" i didnt configured the card in any way ? |
| 09:31.34 | weenix | noiesmo, excuse me. where the rc.conf locates? |
| 09:31.40 | noiesmo | weenix, having installed xcfe4 first ofcource check this gentoo how to its helpfull and can guide you even though you on debian http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_xfce4#Configuring_xdm |
| 09:32.01 | deconvolution | shingouz: yeah, but it does nothing with shutdown -hP now |
| 09:32.28 | shingouz | xored: well.. if a 3c509 has been sitting in an EISA box and you try to use it in an ISA, it will not configure at all. maybe the realtek has something similar? |
| 09:32.34 | xored | shingouz, : maybe the question for me is : how to configure it ? ( i mean not the network properties, more the hardware specific parts) as the hardware is not working |
| 09:32.40 | deconvolution | jm_: i did, but none of them are right package, i suppose it is inside a fundmental package just dont know the exact name |
| 09:33.00 | xored | shingouz, hmm, wo you think its an 3com ? |
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| 09:33.34 | pitillo | jm_, no results with grep-dcrtl and dpkg... more easy than it, using aptitude I can get the list of base packages :) |
| 09:33.37 | shingouz | xored: the manufacturer may have some configuration software for it, or you should read up on the docs for the module, maybe the module needs some parameters to be passed |
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| 09:33.52 | shingouz | xored: no, it is definitely a realtek |
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| 09:33.55 | weenix | noiesmo, there no rc.conf under /etc. what i can do now? |
| 09:33.58 | xored | shingouz, one second. Where do we exactly no, which module it is ? |
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| 09:34.12 | shingouz | 8139too xored |
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| 09:34.39 | noiesmo | weenix, hang on im checking have file server here with xfce4 |
| 09:34.43 | xored | shingouz, just a stupid question : ther where other numbers on hte chip like 8019 or smth |
| 09:34.44 | dimitri | is there any utilisties not with GUI to download torrents files ? |
| 09:34.44 | aris_ | shingouz, what if ill be using a CD instead using my boot loader? |
| 09:35.09 | jm_ | pitillo: yes, forgot about aptitude |
| 09:35.15 | jm_ | deconvolution: you did what? |
| 09:35.22 | pitillo | kmtrue :) |
| 09:35.33 | shingouz | aris_: same principle but you have to mount your root rw, change the password, (to be on the safe side do a sync) and reboot |
| 09:35.36 | pitillo | jm_, sorry :D |
| 09:35.39 | xored | shingouz, so i need to get out, how to configure a 8139 realtek on isa ? |
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| 09:36.32 | shingouz | xored: check the docs on the 8139too module, maybe it needs some parameters passed before it works? there is always the possibility that the nic is dead btw |
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| 09:37.01 | xored | ok |
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| 09:38.04 | weenix | there is a /etc/init.d/xdm file. there is a set about default display manager |
| 09:39.25 | weenix | noiesmo, there is a file named xdm under /etc/init.d and a set about default display manager. should i modify here? |
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| 09:40.37 | jm_ | xored: 8319 won't work, it's for PCI cards, 8109 should be covered by ne module |
| 09:40.44 | weenix | does anyone have idea about set default display manager? |
| 09:41.00 | jm_ | dpkg-reconfigure <*dm> |
| 09:41.09 | aris_ | shingouz, what if ill be using a Live CD? |
| 09:41.16 | weenix | jm_, how about xfce4? |
| 09:41.21 | shingouz | xored: looks like i should try to use something else than 3coms once in a blue moon. sorry |
| 09:41.24 | xored | jm_, : so what to do ? |
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| 09:41.58 | jm_ | weenix: what does xfce4 got to do with this? |
| 09:42.01 | xored | shingouz, thank you anyway for your help |
| 09:42.04 | jm_ | xored: load the module |
| 09:42.13 | xored | which module shoudl i load jm_ ? |
| 09:42.17 | xored | "ne" ? |
| 09:42.20 | jm_ | xored: I have already gave you the name |
| 09:42.22 | jm_ | yes |
| 09:42.25 | xored | ok |
| 09:42.32 | shingouz | aris_: i told you a short while ago. remount root as rw, chroot into the hd, change the pass, sync, exit, umount, reboot |
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| 09:43.01 | xored | jm_, FATAL: Error inserting ne (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/ne.ko): No such device or address |
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| 09:43.27 | jm_ | xored: yes, you may have to pass the right parameters or mess with PnP stuff it's a PnP card |
| 09:43.27 | A64 | re, a simple question, how do I tell Debian NOT to boot into X at startup ? it shall just remain in console mode. |
| 09:43.30 | weenix | jm_, i want to set xfce4 as the default display manager |
| 09:43.45 | shingouz | !tell A64 about ndm |
| 09:43.49 | shingouz | !tell A64 about nodm |
| 09:43.56 | xored | jm_, Parameters ? where do i get them ? |
| 09:44.12 | shingouz | xored: install isapnptools and use them |
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| 09:44.14 | jm_ | weenix: xfce4 is not a display manager |
| 09:44.16 | xored | jm_, : i mean i cannot gues them :) do you mean something like IRQ etc ? |
| 09:44.18 | marculix | A64: don't start xdm at startup |
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| 09:44.38 | xored | shingouz, i installed it. The question is how to use it :) |
| 09:44.41 | weenix | jm_, i see. how to describe this. you know that. |
| 09:45.05 | jm_ | xored: modinfo -p ne |
| 09:45.21 | jm_ | weenix: there are many ways, depending on how you start X |
| 09:45.27 | shingouz | xored: start with dpkg -L isapnptools (and man pnpdump i think it was) |
| 09:45.39 | shingouz | o |
| 09:45.49 | xored | jm_, : ok. But how to get, which IRQ the card uses ? |
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| 09:45.56 | jm_ | xored: you don't need to use isapnptools with modern kernels, read pnp.txt |
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| 09:46.42 | shingouz | xored: you make the dump extract you a nice basis for the config file, edit it by hand to show the proper irq's |
| 09:46.43 | jm_ | xored: if it's a PnP card, see above - if it's not a PnP, you can usually set it with jumpers or with an utility you got with the card |
| 09:46.43 | xored | pnp.txt ? |
| 09:46.43 | marculix | A64: ? |
| 09:46.43 | weenix | jm_, but i dpkg-reconfigure gdm. it doesn't work |
| 09:46.49 | jm_ | weenix: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 09:47.00 | xored | one second : shingouz : how to make that "dump". pnpdump ? |
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| 09:47.08 | streuner | xored: its prolly part of kernel source |
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| 09:47.29 | xored | streuner, ? |
| 09:47.53 | A64 | I put "false" into default-display-manager (I hope it will help but I'm not sure X will start with startx). |
| 09:47.58 | shingouz | xored: pnpdump i think it was. man it first |
| 09:48.24 | shingouz | lemme do some spamfiltering now, been a week since i last checked my email |
| 09:48.32 | A64 | The goal is to start x with the startx command - that's it :) |
| 09:48.35 | streuner | xored: pnp.txt - google might help without installing kernel-source |
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| 09:49.58 | tmircea | i have upgraded from woody to sarge trough netinstall, i have upgraded to kernel 2.6.8 now i want to install gcc 4 how do i do this? apt-get install ... ? |
| 09:50.45 | xored | shingouz, he checked all adresses and said, no board found |
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| 09:50.55 | ChristianP | hi all |
| 09:51.03 | weenix | ok. i got another problem. when i type rhythmbox, i get this message: Gtk-warning cannot open display. |
| 09:51.05 | liable | tmircea: sarge doesnt have gcc-4.0 |
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| 09:51.41 | A64 | hmm I do a reboot.. we'll see.. |
| 09:51.49 | tmircea | damn |
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| 09:52.06 | streuner | tmircea: why do you think you need version 4? |
| 09:52.43 | tmircea | why do you think you shouldnt still use gcc-2.95? or debian potato? |
| 09:52.48 | tmircea | because its old an worse than the new one |
| 09:53.04 | tmircea | gcc-4 changes things, why wouldnt i want it? |
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| 09:53.14 | xored | jm_, : shoudl i have in bios : PNP bios installed chekced or "manually" ? |
| 09:53.17 | tmircea | linux-2.6/gcc-4 go hand by hand |
| 09:53.21 | streuner | hm, so you don't have a special reason |
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| 09:53.28 | liable | tmircea: cause it will break your sarge? :) |
| 09:53.35 | Teltariat | greets folks |
| 09:53.38 | Teltariat | quick question |
| 09:53.41 | tmircea | so there isnt a port/backport of gcc-4? |
| 09:53.43 | tmircea | will it be |
| 09:53.44 | tmircea | ? |
| 09:53.45 | sep | tmircea, there is a difference in needing something to get the job done. and wanthing it becouse it's new and shiny |
| 09:53.59 | tmircea | new and shiny does a better job |
| 09:54.08 | Teltariat | I would like to install php4-gd, but it wants to also install the x-window-system along with it. Anyway to prevent that? |
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| 09:54.13 | noiesmo | could be a lemon |
| 09:54.32 | jm_ | xored: I think there was a setting PnP OS present back then and one should select no |
| 09:54.34 | liable | tmircea: you have only just upgraded from woody, why the hell are you so interested in gcc 4? |
| 09:54.59 | streuner | he already told us |
| 09:55.06 | liable | tmircea: seeing as sarge has been out for >6 months |
| 09:55.13 | xored | jm_, : yes, i can select wheater "auto" or "manually" |
| 09:55.21 | xored | jm_,: what should i use ? |
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| 09:55.33 | Teltariat | [ any suggestions? ] |
| 09:55.41 | ChristianP | i'm trying to install libqt3c102-mt but i can't find a repository where i can find it. Can anyone tell me the correct repository? |
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| 09:56.08 | jm_ | xored: go with manually |
| 09:56.28 | xored | ok |
| 09:56.57 | xored | jm_, : the pnpdump scan told me (with auto) that he could no find a board, Is that normal |
| 09:57.45 | xored | jm_, : and should i say "yes or no" to PNP os installed ? |
| 09:58.04 | jm_ | xored: I told you to not use isapnptools and to read pnp.txt - say no |
| 09:58.27 | xored | jm_, : sorry iam a bit disturbt |
| 09:59.48 | streuner | liable: there are people who think, if the version is higher = its better... |
| 10:00.03 | tmircea | can i use intel c compiler on amd duron debian box? |
| 10:00.13 | azeem | tmircea: yes |
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| 10:00.30 | liable | streuner: was just trying to apply his logic, seeing he took so long to upgrade from woody. :) |
| 10:00.30 | azeem | tmircea: though why do you need it? |
| 10:00.33 | tmircea | it has better optimizations for x86 |
| 10:00.36 | streuner | liable: foo version 20 is better than blah 10 |
| 10:00.41 | tmircea | generates faster code |
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| 10:01.08 | xored | jm_, : so i onl asigned irq11 for ISA only, so he should use it |
| 10:01.15 | streuner | liable: nah, that's general problem - people think in such catagories... |
| 10:02.22 | liable | streuner: i know, doesnt stop me from trying to convince otherwise. :) |
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| 10:02.47 | tmircea | i made apt-get install gcc-3.4 but now after its done if i type gcc: command not found |
| 10:02.48 | tmircea | why |
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| 10:03.30 | croddy | ls -lh /usr/bin/gcc* |
| 10:03.39 | tmircea | oh its named gcc-3.4 |
| 10:03.42 | streuner | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2005-12-12 16:54 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.0 |
| 10:04.23 | liable | just gcc should work.. |
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| 10:05.33 | streuner | tmircea: the symlink there should exist |
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| 10:06.21 | tmircea | what must i do first to secure a debian sarge ? |
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| 10:06.37 | streuner | unplug from i-net |
| 10:06.44 | tmircea | except this |
| 10:06.47 | tmircea | i wantit to be server |
| 10:06.47 | azeem | tmircea: unless you are doing *very* specific things like scientific calculations, icc shouldn't be much different than gcc, and the latter is easier to use |
| 10:06.59 | azeem | tmircea: read a book about Unix security |
| 10:07.05 | tmircea | ok |
| 10:07.08 | tmircea | i will |
| 10:08.06 | tmircea | no gcc symlink only /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 binary |
| 10:08.22 | pabs3 | anyone know how to make apt download Packages.bz2 files instead of Packages.gz files? |
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| 10:17.08 | tmircea | how do i install xserver for debian sarge? apt-get ....? |
| 10:17.55 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:19.56 | streuner | tmircea: without symlink (/usr/bin/gcc) you are not able to compile |
| 10:19.57 | tmircea | thanks |
| 10:20.07 | tmircea | i have symlink to /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 |
| 10:20.21 | streuner | ls -l /usr/bin/gcc ? |
| 10:20.41 | streuner | that's fine then |
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| 10:21.54 | tmircea | debian rocks |
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| 10:22.10 | tmircea | how many CPUs can a regular debian sarge support? |
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| 10:22.54 | azeem | tmircea: you can always recompile your kernel |
| 10:23.09 | azeem | then it boils down to how many CPUs Linux supports |
| 10:23.10 | tmircea | and how many cpus and memory |
| 10:23.13 | Greatred | tmircea, it's a question of how many cpus a 2.6 linux kernel can support with SMP support |
| 10:23.14 | tmircea | 256 cpus |
| 10:23.18 | tmircea | 256gb memory |
| 10:23.20 | tmircea | or 512 |
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| 10:23.46 | azeem | tmircea: you have a 256-way multiprocessor box? |
| 10:23.58 | tmircea | if i had one i would run linux on it |
| 10:24.07 | tmircea | there are datacenters that have |
| 10:24.11 | tmircea | can they run debian on them? |
| 10:24.14 | kspath | I would rather have a bunch of 4waqy or 8way machines |
| 10:24.32 | azeem | tmircea: they can, though I am not sure many do |
| 10:24.38 | npx | I'd rather be spanking the monkey |
| 10:24.39 | tmircea | why? |
| 10:24.43 | azeem | tmircea: ask them |
| 10:24.45 | azeem | not us |
| 10:25.07 | tmircea | but what else could be better to run? |
| 10:25.11 | tmircea | solaris/aix? |
| 10:25.14 | tmircea | hp-ux/ |
| 10:25.17 | kspath | npx: good info, thanks |
| 10:25.27 | azeem | tmircea: this is off-topic here |
| 10:25.42 | azeem | tmircea: ask on a supercomputer mailing list |
| 10:25.47 | tmircea | ok |
| 10:26.05 | azeem | fwiw: |
| 10:26.07 | azeem | -bash-2.05b$ more /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor | wc -l |
| 10:26.08 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.10 | azeem | -bash-2.05b$ cat /etc/redhat-release |
| 10:26.11 | azeem | Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS release 3 (Taroon Update 4) |
| 10:26.26 | tmircea | ?? |
| 10:26.30 | tmircea | 128 cpus? |
| 10:26.32 | tmircea | where is this |
| 10:26.41 | shingouz | yeah. wtf you running azeem ? |
| 10:26.43 | azeem | it's an SGI Altix |
| 10:26.52 | tmircea | how big is it |
| 10:26.52 | azeem | shingouz: I just have an account on it for work |
| 10:26.55 | shingouz | nice. does it run doom? :) |
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| 10:29.46 | weenix | how to unzip a *.tar.bz2 file? |
| 10:29.52 | azeem | !tar |
| 10:29.52 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 10:31.52 | pabs3 | tar xf extracts foo.tar.gz and foo.tar.bz2 too doesn't it? |
| 10:32.04 | azeem | pabs3: it does? |
| 10:32.07 | azeem | didn't know that |
| 10:32.35 | kspath | you can add a v tar xvf if you like scrolling text or want the output |
| 10:32.40 | pabs3 | yep, tested it just now, it does |
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| 10:32.48 | azeem | pabs3: sweet |
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| 10:33.12 | remi_ | hi. I heard about a problem with windowmaker and debian "way of life". Is it true ? |
| 10:33.27 | azeem | remi_: not sure what you mean |
| 10:33.32 | azeem | anything more specific? |
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| 10:33.58 | kspath | remi: maybe look at ion3, openbox3 and if you have to fluxbox |
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| 10:34.12 | pabs3 | I think he means about the gnustep stuff not putting things in FHS-compliant locations? |
| 10:34.24 | remi_ | azeem: it was about a problem with newer version of windowmaker and debian directories |
| 10:34.38 | remi_ | kspath: nothing related to what i said kspath. |
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| 10:35.07 | remi_ | pabs3: yes exactly. |
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| 10:35.29 | azeem | WindowMaker isn't a GNUstep application though, really |
| 10:35.42 | azeem | but yeah, it has similar directory layout I think, so maybe the same trouble |
| 10:35.42 | remi_ | windowmaker put their files into /opt. But hey, who cares ;) |
| 10:36.02 | weenix | !tar |
| 10:36.02 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 10:38.45 | gorthaug | hola |
| 10:38.51 | gorthaug | a ver si alguien puede hecharme una mano |
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| 10:39.00 | gorthaug | tengo una imagen de dvd en bin/cue |
| 10:39.09 | kspath | !debian-es |
| 10:39.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:39.21 | gorthaug | ups |
| 10:39.29 | gorthaug | excuse me :D |
| 10:39.40 | kspath | Lo siento? |
| 10:39.41 | gorthaug | well |
| 10:39.46 | gorthaug | yea |
| 10:39.48 | gorthaug | h |
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| 10:39.54 | kspath | no problemo(a) |
| 10:40.12 | gorthaug | well i've a bin/cue dvd image |
| 10:40.34 | gorthaug | cdrdao says that the .bin is too large |
| 10:40.44 | remi_ | so ? |
| 10:41.00 | gorthaug | mmm |
| 10:41.10 | gorthaug | which program can record this image? |
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| 10:43.21 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 10:44.33 | shingouz | dimir: no, actually it is evening, close to 6pm |
| 10:44.34 | deadline | hi all, where can i find a quick howto, on how to setup my debian box to use a network printer |
| 10:44.46 | Trewas | gorthaug: cdrdao is the right program for burning cue/bin images... though cue/bin does not make any sense for dvd-images |
| 10:45.05 | nukeu666 | u need growisofs to burn dvd images |
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| 10:45.27 | remi_ | well, actually i'd like to know if windowmaker won't be supported anymore because of these directory problem ? |
| 10:45.58 | dimir | deadline: get some cups howto and there you go. |
| 10:46.24 | dimir | deadline: is it an Windows server printer? |
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| 10:46.35 | noiesmo | hey all, xine does not want to load a dvd i have yet it will load others the only thing i can see is that the video_ts and audio_ts folders are in upper case not lower case is this normal behaviour for xine or can i adjust a setting |
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| 10:47.08 | pabs3 | remi_: looks like it still has maintainers, so I doubt it will be dropped http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wmaker.html |
| 10:47.11 | liable | its normal for em to be in uppercase. |
| 10:47.22 | remi_ | pabs3: good news :) |
| 10:47.27 | deadline | dimir: its a standalone company network printer |
| 10:47.40 | dimir | Oh. |
| 10:47.53 | dimir | Then just install cups and connect to it. |
| 10:48.05 | liable | deadline: install driver, point cups to printer url? |
| 10:48.41 | pabs3 | remi_: considering the popcon stats, removal is even more unlikely: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?popcon=wmaker |
| 10:48.52 | tmircea | how do i install kde 3.5 on debian sid? |
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| 10:49.07 | pabs3 | aptitude install kde |
| 10:49.16 | liable | tmircea: you have gone from woody to sid now? |
| 10:49.21 | tmircea | and it will install 3.5 not other verison? |
| 10:49.24 | tmircea | yes |
| 10:49.32 | pabs3 | tmircea: 3.5 is in sid iirc |
| 10:49.51 | remi_ | pabs3: good. Windowmaker is life ;) |
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| 10:50.01 | kspath | pab3: or avoid the whole MESS and go with a minimalist window manager / environment |
| 10:50.11 | fireba11 | pabs3: please don't tell people to apt-get install kde .. that just installs everything |
| 10:50.21 | deadline | liable: point cups to printer url? whats the right command? cupsdconf ? |
| 10:50.31 | pabs3 | fireba11: what would you recommend? |
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| 10:50.39 | nukeu666 | fireball:kbe-base is better right? |
| 10:50.41 | fireba11 | pabs3: kde-core ? |
| 10:50.43 | liable | deadline: use the admin page bit, localhost:631 |
| 10:50.57 | fireba11 | hm .. might have been base .. ^^ |
| 10:51.19 | nukeu666 | i mean kdebase...not kde-base |
| 10:51.19 | deadline | Unable to retrieve configuration file from the CUPS server. You probably don't have the access permissions to perform this operation. hm :/ |
| 10:51.26 | liable | base or core, core, is less, but both are better. |
| 10:51.33 | nukeu666 | installs minimal amount |
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| 10:51.40 | pabs3 | fireba11: fair enough |
| 10:51.54 | HaNNiBaL80 | hello |
| 10:51.58 | HaNNiBaL80 | does anyone know of a program called web polygraph ? |
| 10:52.07 | liable | deadline: when you put a user in, make it root. |
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| 10:52.43 | deadline | liable: i dont understand you today, sorry. |
| 10:52.46 | liable | deadline: or was that just trying to get the admin page up? |
| 10:53.17 | liable | deadline: thats ok, i will shut up then and have another beer :) |
| 10:53.30 | deadline | cheers |
| 10:53.34 | deadline | :) |
| 10:54.03 | liable | you did put that url in a browser..? |
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| 10:54.23 | oldman | is there a way to discover the last N things installed with apt-get install? (an obvious log file, perhaps?) |
| 10:54.25 | deadline | localhost:631? |
| 10:54.30 | liable | yes |
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| 10:54.34 | deadline | i dont have anything running on 631 |
| 10:54.50 | _rene_ | oldman: man $history_in_brain. otherwise, no :/ |
| 10:55.01 | oldman | _rene_: thankee |
| 10:55.16 | relic | !btw |
| 10:55.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, btw is by the way |
| 10:55.18 | azeem | deadline: then you are not running CUPS |
| 10:55.23 | pabs3 | oldman: if you used aptitude, it has a log file, otherwise the write/create times on /usr/share/doc/* dirs are a good approximation |
| 10:55.39 | relic | !tell me about BTW |
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| 10:56.20 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.29 | oldman | pabs3: that's where i was going next. thank you! |
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| 10:57.45 | kspath | oldman: not sure how you use your system but look at /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 10:57.49 | liable | HaNNiBaL80: does it know that you've been lying when you say you dont download porn? :) |
| 10:58.12 | Ronin | therse porn on the internet? |
| 10:58.20 | puff | Hm, I am viewing a MS-Word document via elinks, how do I save the text-only version to a file? |
| 10:58.31 | kspath | liable: I guess it would if it was a squid filter |
| 10:58.50 | oldman | kspath: will do. i'm tempted to write a brain-dead script around apt-get just log everything that starts "apt-get..." |
| 10:59.13 | puff | Or how do I get interactive help (i.e. a list of control keys available at a given point in the session) |
| 10:59.15 | liable | oldman: use aptitude. |
| 10:59.44 | kspath | hmm no doc2html package hehe |
| 10:59.45 | puff | oldman: If you are in the habit of using sudo for your apts, you can review the sudo log. |
| 10:59.56 | puff | /var/log/auth.log, I believe. |
| 11:00.00 | oldman | liable: ..yep. learn something else :) |
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| 11:00.05 | puff | Another good reason to use sudo :-). |
| 11:00.07 | HaNNiBaL80 | I just want to know how do I run web polygraph, the only information I find is on haw to configure it |
| 11:00.10 | kspath | antiword - Converts MS Word files to text and ps |
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| 11:00.39 | oldman | that's the ticket... sudo! thank you (all) |
| 11:00.42 | puff | oldman: I've started to use aptitude (for the same reason) and afaict it's an apt work-alike... just apt with fewer warts. |
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| 11:01.08 | liable | !aptitude |
| 11:01.08 | dpkg | well, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
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| 11:01.13 | puff | kspath: I think I'm actually using antiword... I'd just like to avoid the whole "save attachment to a file, pop up a shell, run antiword on the file, etc" dance. |
| 11:01.31 | pabs3 | puff: it also remembers which packages are automatically installed and removes them when they are no longer needed |
| 11:01.33 | nkuttler | antiword is great. wv is nice as well |
| 11:02.00 | kspath | puff: OpenOffice? |
| 11:02.03 | puff | pabs3: Ah, coo eah. |
| 11:02.19 | weenix | how to get my gaim woking? i have a msn account, but it's not like usernam at hostmail dot com. it's a email like gmail stuff. how should i set it? |
| 11:02.21 | puff | kspath: I'm reading this on a remote box via mutt. |
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| 11:02.37 | kspath | puff: ssh ? |
| 11:02.43 | puff | kspath: Yeah. |
| 11:02.55 | puff | kspath: Really, I can *see* the content in plain text, I just need to know how to save that version to a file... something about elinks intercepts the mouse cursor so I can't just copy & paste. |
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| 11:03.02 | puff | Pops up an elinks menu when I try. |
| 11:03.02 | pabs3 | weenix: just put your email into the user field |
| 11:03.11 | tmircea | someone .. pls help me i cant start x on my pc with gforce 4 mx 440/agp 8x it says: Cannot open device /dev/psaux No core pointer |
| 11:03.12 | tmircea | pls |
| 11:03.16 | weenix | pabl0, i did. it doesn't work |
| 11:03.53 | pabs3 | weenix: hmm, perhaps try the FAQ on gaim.sf.net |
| 11:03.58 | kspath | puff: I thought mutt allowed you to save out email or just grab the text out of the file or mbox |
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| 11:04.57 | ttz | hi there |
| 11:04.58 | liable | tmircea: shoulda stuck with sarge :) |
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| 11:05.07 | tmircea | i have sarge with sarge's x |
| 11:05.18 | liable | tmircea: try /dev/input/mice and check proto. |
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| 11:05.37 | puff | Ah, figured it out... used the mouse cursor to pop up the elinks menu and selected "Save formatted document" |
| 11:05.37 | liable | tmircea: you said you have sid.. |
| 11:05.49 | tmircea | i tried with /dev/input/mice and protocol ps2 and autops2 but it doesnt work |
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| 11:06.02 | tmircea | it says cannot initialize core pointer |
| 11:06.02 | puff | kspath: re: mutt saving, not when it's a word doc... have to do the special magic to invoke elinks and antiword. |
| 11:06.17 | arkygeek | hi everyone. is a Pentium 75 with 5 network cards and 64meg of ram sufficient to act as a router? |
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| 11:06.56 | tmircea | i have sarge |
| 11:06.58 | id23 | arkygeek, sure |
| 11:06.58 | kspath | puff: guess I have not had that problem in a long time or solved it more simply |
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| 11:07.00 | ttz | I'm willing to install Debian on a box that only has one S-ATA disk... unfortunately, I just own a Debian/sarge netinst CD-Rom and it does not seem to handle my S-ATA drive. I can't burn the Etch ISO because of lack of CD burner. I think I can workaround this by booting PXE, but I don't know which files to put on my TFTP server |
| 11:07.12 | ttz | any clue ? |
| 11:07.28 | arkygeek | id23: cool - any distro you would reccomend? |
| 11:07.45 | shingouz | arkygeek: yes if you are not planning on using it for a huge-ass network. use debian of course |
| 11:07.47 | liable | ttz: had a look at the install guide? it should tell you. |
| 11:08.06 | kspath | puff: though there is nothing complicated about telling elinks links2 or lynx to save a file really |
| 11:08.18 | tmircea | help starting x |
| 11:08.21 | id23 | for a linux router debian - or if you want a easy setup try ipcop - for a freebsd router try pfsense |
| 11:08.42 | kspath | ipcop, smoothwall, devillinux |
| 11:08.43 | ttz | liable: thanks, I have a look now |
| 11:08.50 | arkygeek | id23: well, i am going to use it on my uni network... there is only one network connction in our office, and four computers... and we have this old P75 with the cards in it |
| 11:09.15 | arkygeek | so actually only 3 computers, tying into the uni network |
| 11:09.27 | arkygeek | id23: still be ok? |
| 11:09.27 | liable | ttz: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s06.html |
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| 11:10.03 | kspath | 75 Mhz!?!?! |
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| 11:10.35 | id23 | sure |
| 11:10.38 | id23 | why not |
| 11:10.39 | arkygeek | kspath: yeah lol - i was thinking about damn small linux.... |
| 11:10.40 | ttz | liable: I've just found it, indeed |
| 11:10.51 | id23 | if you dont do massive VPNs - everthing is OK |
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| 11:10.53 | kspath | DSL 2.x might even be too big now |
| 11:11.09 | arkygeek | hrmmmm.... crap - really? |
| 11:11.16 | kspath | m0n0w0ll too big? |
| 11:11.17 | tmircea | help me start x |
| 11:11.21 | tmircea | fcking x |
| 11:11.29 | kspath | arkygeek: how much RAM ? |
| 11:11.37 | tmircea | its setup ok still doesnt wanna recognize my mouse |
| 11:11.40 | arkygeek | kspath: 64 meg |
| 11:11.49 | kspath | RAM is WAY small |
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| 11:12.20 | id23 | he wants to do NAT for 4 PCs - 64 Meg is far enough |
| 11:12.23 | kspath | you need advice from embedded linux people they specialize in small cramp spaces |
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| 11:13.07 | Trewas | kspath: 64megs is plenty for that kind of application (I know, I have used a P200 with 64MB as a router for 100mbit network in addition to running irc/apache/etc) |
| 11:13.13 | kspath | I havent seen a 200Mhz machine in 2-3 years |
| 11:13.21 | npx | 64 megs isnt a 'small cramped space' |
| 11:13.36 | kspath | not if you are doing assembly |
| 11:13.38 | paulswm | question: I am having a problem with one of my boxes - sometimes, Firefox takes forever to connect to a random site, and TBird has the same problem connecting to my ISP's pop server - however, Firefox and IE work fine on another box running XP, and FF also works fine on another Debian box, I am baffled - debian boxes running up-to-date Etch and Mozilla Firefox 1.0.7 |
| 11:13.47 | tmircea | my mouse doesnt work |
| 11:13.48 | npx | not if you're doing a shitload of things |
| 11:13.48 | tmircea | help |
| 11:13.55 | kspath | I started on 48K RAM what do I know |
| 11:14.06 | paulswm | OH, and pings to everywhere work fine, so its not a DNS issue |
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| 11:14.26 | petemc | paulswm: ipv6 lookups perhaps |
| 11:14.54 | liable | yeah see what ethereal spit out. |
| 11:14.57 | kspath | with only 75Mhz do not do any logging and no web interface and no Xwin and ... |
| 11:15.29 | arkygeek | kspath: i don't even plan on having a monitor, keyboard or mouse hooked up to it..... |
| 11:15.32 | kspath | almost anything can be done |
| 11:15.32 | paulswm | petemc: I tried turning off ipv6 in FF but it didn't help, and FF works fine on another Debian box on the same LAN and using the same router |
| 11:15.52 | arkygeek | devil-linux? is that debian? |
| 11:16.08 | kspath | arkygeek: is you budget that tight? people are giving/throwing away PPro 200 Mhz all the time |
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| 11:16.34 | paulswm | petemc: sometimes the connection will stall, and sometimes it will be fine (on the same site), so I thought it was a DNS issue at first, but pings work fine |
| 11:16.39 | tmircea | help me with X |
| 11:16.40 | tmircea | mouse |
| 11:16.43 | tmircea | stupid mouse |
| 11:16.50 | tmircea | no port/protocol works |
| 11:17.06 | arkygeek | kspath: lol - yeah - our dept is broke and we are mere research students.... |
| 11:17.07 | tmircea | x starts but mouse doesnt move |
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| 11:17.20 | id23 | i have a 486 DX2-66 Router with 64MB RAM - doing NAT for 15 PCs - no problem - on this boy is fli4l |
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| 11:17.35 | arkygeek | was lucky to be able to get 400MHz celerons for each of us.... installed Linux on ema ll of course :P |
| 11:18.00 | arkygeek | id23: what software do you use? |
| 11:18.19 | id23 | floppyISND4linux (can also use DSL now) fli4l |
| 11:18.26 | id23 | one floppy router |
| 11:18.32 | id23 | no HDD |
| 11:18.49 | id23 | i installed it a couple of years ago - for a customer of mine |
| 11:18.50 | kspath | I kind of regret tossing my old PPro 200 a couple of years ago |
| 11:18.53 | tmircea | help me with x |
| 11:19.00 | id23 | still working flawless |
| 11:19.24 | tmircea | ok dont help me with my x |
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| 11:19.59 | kspath | but who wants a Full Tower heat generator in the summer as your router |
| 11:20.03 | linex | hi |
| 11:20.12 | weenix | ok. i have solved all of my system problems. i found out. debian is really a great operating system. good luck, debian |
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| 11:21.03 | smesjz | question, is it possible to remove all kerberos dependencies from libc-client2002edebian? I am using kerberos yet it need to compile using --with-kerberos to get IMAP support. |
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| 11:23.10 | horror_vacui | Is there a way to use make-kpkg without it stupidly cleaning and re-compiling the bloody kernel each time? |
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| 11:23.32 | horror_vacui | I can't find anything on this in the manual. The behaviour seems hard-coded. |
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| 11:24.31 | paulswm | horror_vacui: Use a compiler cache like ccache, then only what needs to be built will be built |
| 11:24.59 | horror_vacui | paulswm: Got any more hints on that? |
| 11:25.20 | deadline | liable: after a little reading i get your point. im wondering why i dont have that admin service running. any ideas? |
| 11:25.30 | cebolax | anyone knows how to fix the problem "no partitionable media were found" about HD Sata and Kernel 2.6.11 (debian amd64) using nforce3 chipset ? i've tried so hard to find a solution and nothing :/ |
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| 11:25.58 | liable | deadline: if you installed cupsys, it should be running |
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| 11:26.36 | deadline | liable: thats what i needed :) thanks |
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| 11:26.39 | paulswm | horror_vacui: ? apt-cache show ccache |
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| 11:27.18 | paulswm | horror_vacui: Cuts most of my kernel builds down to < 10 minutes |
| 11:27.29 | pabs3 | smesjz: you could recompile it |
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| 11:27.49 | horror_vacui | paulswm: According to some google hits, all I have to do is install it... So I did, I'll see if it does during the next make-kpkg... |
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| 11:27.54 | deadline | liable: hm it asks for login data. where can i get those? |
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| 11:28.19 | liable | deadline: what asks for it? |
| 11:28.26 | paulswm | horror_vacui: It won't really help on the first build as it won't have anything cached yet :) |
| 11:28.38 | deadline | liable: oh, nvm |
| 11:28.46 | horror_vacui | paulswm: Oh, right. Crap. |
| 11:29.26 | puff | kspath: If there's nothing complicated, how do you do it? |
| 11:29.59 | kspath | puff: do you want a list of a dozen ways? |
| 11:30.08 | cebolax | anyone knows how to fix the problem "no partitionable media were found" about HD Sata and Kernel 2.6.11 (debian amd64) using nforce3 chipset ? i've tried so hard to find a solution and nothing :/, thanks |
| 11:30.22 | kspath | puff: |
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| 11:31.11 | liable | cebolax: is the controller supported in that kernel? |
| 11:31.28 | kspath | puff: The main issue would be your feelings on security and your want of solving it with what is presented to you by default |
| 11:31.56 | cebolax | liable: looking in google, some people says it is not, only in kernel 2.6.12, but i don't know how to install in kernel 2.6.12, since amd64 debian version only has 2.6 kernel |
| 11:31.57 | horror_vacui | cebolax: Had the same problem with netinstaller and intel hardware... Had to get a netinstaller with a 2.6.14 kernel for this to work. |
| 11:32.15 | cebolax | horror_vacui where did you find it ? |
| 11:32.24 | kspath | puff: You seem intelligent. I am sure you can/would be able to find 4-5 other solutions in less than an hour if you thought about it. |
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| 11:32.33 | liable | cebolax: bugger, ask on the debian-amd64 lists or try #debian-amd64 |
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| 11:33.02 | cebolax | thanks ;) |
| 11:33.10 | tmircea | help.. my mouse doesnt work under X! |
| 11:33.13 | D_Uzunov | hello netlanders, how do I adjust the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable? |
| 11:33.26 | jm_ | don't |
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| 11:33.43 | D_Uzunov | ? |
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| 11:34.30 | tmircea | help.. my mouse doesnt work under X! |
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| 11:34.39 | tmircea | cannot open core pointer |
| 11:34.46 | tmircea | no protocol/port works |
| 11:34.54 | int_21h | please help me to umount my dsk4, i try to umount my dsk4 but the system said that the device is busy. |
| 11:34.55 | tmircea | i have a PS2 mouse |
| 11:34.58 | cebolax | liable: only one question, where can i find iso with kernels higher than 2.6.11 ? |
| 11:35.01 | ootput | would anyone happen to know in which package md5sum can be found? |
| 11:35.18 | jm_ | I know of one for i386, no idea about amd64 |
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| 11:35.39 | liable | cebolax: for 64? i dont know. |
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| 11:35.48 | cebolax | thanks |
| 11:36.01 | nkuttler | tmircea: did you try /dev/psaux? look at the mdetect package |
| 11:36.02 | gypsymauro | hello, I've a machin with two processors how can I see if I'm using both? |
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| 11:36.25 | liable | gypsymauro: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:36.35 | gypsymauro | liable: yes I done this but it shows only one |
| 11:36.38 | harm1988 | which package should i get to install php , i have apache2 |
| 11:36.43 | tmircea | the port /dev/psaux doesnt work.. |
| 11:36.50 | liable | gypsymauro: you have an smp kernel? |
| 11:36.53 | tmircea | it says it cant open it no such device |
| 11:36.58 | SlayerXP | harm1988: apt-cache search php |
| 11:36.59 | tmircea | but the dev file is there |
| 11:36.59 | nkuttler | tmircea: does it work outside of x? |
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| 11:37.13 | tmircea | i tried starting gpm but no my mouse doesnt work |
| 11:37.21 | nukeu666 | harm:libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 11:37.28 | nkuttler | tmircea: did you build your own kernel? |
| 11:37.41 | gypsymauro | liable: I'm using the sarge default kernel |
| 11:37.50 | kspath | ootput: coreutils - The GNU core utilities ? |
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| 11:37.51 | tmircea | no i have the standard sarge 2.6.8-k7-2 kernel |
| 11:38.08 | liable | gypsymauro: get an smp one, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 11:38.16 | harm1988 | php4 .. isnt 5 out? |
| 11:38.18 | liable | s/an/the/ |
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| 11:38.44 | weenix | when i apt-get install azureus, i got these messages: azureus: Depends: sun-j2sdk1.5 but it is not installable or java2-runtime but it is not installable. what can i do? |
| 11:38.52 | nkuttler | tmircea: try /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 11:39.06 | liable | !tell weenix about install java |
| 11:39.34 | kspath | ootput: install devtags then do this: debtags show coreutils |
| 11:39.45 | kspath | err debtags |
| 11:40.04 | gypsymauro | liable: tanx:) |
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| 11:40.09 | PerfDave | weenix: Use something which doesn't depend on evil Sun Java, or give up your freedoms and install evil Sun Java :) |
| 11:40.10 | liable | yw |
| 11:40.57 | weenix | PerfDave, like what? |
| 11:41.02 | kspath | PerfDave: I do not like the idea of Java but maybe one enemy at a time. Maybe defeat world hunger and ignorance and M$ first? |
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| 11:41.18 | PerfDave | kspath: Sun are arguably worse than MS :) |
| 11:41.29 | kspath | weenix: Ruby, Perl, Python, C, C++? |
| 11:41.36 | PerfDave | weenix: Personally, I use bittornado, so I can run it in a screen on a headless server. |
| 11:41.45 | PerfDave | rtorrent's pretty good also. |
| 11:41.50 | ootput | kspath: ah, my debootstrap installation must've ignored coreutils |
| 11:41.55 | Coke | kspath: defeating ignorance will undo both Java and MS. |
| 11:42.07 | PerfDave | Unfortunately, rtorrent isn't currently packaged for Debian |
| 11:42.15 | ootput | kspath: which is pretty bad |
| 11:42.16 | kspath | PerfDave: yeah I have heard that argument. history will tell the tale, written by the victors and revised by survivors |
| 11:42.19 | weenix | PerfDave, actually, i have installed bittornado. but sometime it doesn't work fine. |
| 11:42.20 | jm_ | PerfDave: it is |
| 11:42.22 | liable | PerfDave: its in sid iirc |
| 11:42.34 | DimmuR | Hi I'm trying to compile kernel debian-way: i write make-kpkg --config menuconfig but i only get: "nothing to be done." (kernel is just downloaded from kernel.org) -what am I doing wrong? |
| 11:43.13 | PerfDave | Unfortunately, rtorrent isn't currently packaged for Debian stable ;) |
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| 11:43.48 | jm_ | it's somewhat simple to do it though, using simple sid backport - or at least was a few versions back when I tried it |
| 11:44.54 | PerfDave | jm_: I just compiled the upstream into /usr/local; I don't think it was in sid then |
| 11:45.10 | nkuttler | DimmuR: just run make menuconfig |
| 11:45.12 | weenix | i want more sources. does anyone can help me? |
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| 11:45.26 | nkuttler | weenix: why do you want more sources? |
| 11:45.28 | jm_ | PerfDave: yeah I build a static version and stick it in ~/bin |
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| 11:46.03 | PerfDave | Sweet zombie jesus, p.d.o is *still* down??? |
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| 11:46.25 | weenix | nkuttler, because i want to install sun-j2sdk1.5 |
| 11:46.39 | PerfDave | weenix: /msg dpkg java |
| 11:47.05 | PerfDave | weenix: Sun Java isn't packaged for Debian because it's not Free and restricts your freedom to program. |
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| 11:47.33 | PerfDave | weenix: Even installing Sun Java places you under restrictive obligations. |
| 11:47.48 | npx | that sounds scary |
| 11:48.07 | npx | are they going to demand my allegiance in an upcoming insurrection or something? |
| 11:48.20 | PerfDave | npx: Yes, they're going to use you to help destroy Free Software. |
| 11:48.30 | weenix | PerfDave, i see. thanks |
| 11:48.41 | npx | sonofabitch |
| 11:48.48 | pabs3 | npx: yep, they want you to write stuff and put it under the CDDL |
| 11:48.48 | PerfDave | weenix: Why not attempt to fix the problems you're having with bittornado, or use one of the many other BitTorrent clients that don't require Sun Java? |
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| 11:50.02 | ootput | can somebody `which md5sum` plz? |
| 11:50.06 | jm_ | no |
| 11:50.08 | ootput | sorry, that's please |
| 11:50.12 | weenix | PerfDave, i will try |
| 11:50.22 | ootput | jm_: you're not a somebody |
| 11:50.41 | tmircea | ok.. help.. now my mouse i think its working(at least X is not error about it anymore) but when i startx the monitor goes black nothing appears i think it goes out of sync orsomething |
| 11:50.41 | jm_ | uhuh |
| 11:50.45 | tmircea | x wont start |
| 11:50.46 | PerfDave | ootput: What problem are you having that you're trying to fix? See also: apt-file, dpkg -L |
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| 11:50.55 | PerfDave | tmircea: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 11:51.02 | kneet | exim4 question. Mail server foo.domain.tld is MX for domain.tld. A user using thunderbird sends via this server (SMTP auth) - and her outgoing mail is being changed so that the from changes from user@domain.tld to user@foo.domain.tld - any clues as to where in the exim4 config I should be looking? |
| 11:51.08 | ootput | PerfDave: apparently md5sum is missing, despite the installation of coreutils |
| 11:51.14 | kneet | exim4-heavy with split config |
| 11:52.03 | PerfDave | ootput: What makes you think that coreutils has anything to do with this? See also: apt-file, dpkg -L |
| 11:52.13 | PerfDave | kspath: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, it should ask you about rewriting. |
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| 11:52.33 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 11:52.35 | pabs3 | kneet: /etc/mailname perhaps? |
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| 11:53.37 | ootput | PerfDave: i assumed the output of debtags show coreutils would be sufficient |
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| 11:54.05 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have made an shortcut in xfce4 to nzbperl, but when i click it, it starts in an terminal, but it won't work correct becaus the terminal is to smal, is there a way to let it work or maybe expant the terminal? |
| 11:54.05 | PerfDave | ootput: I have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to know which package contains a particular file, use apt-file. |
| 11:54.13 | ootput | ta |
| 11:54.13 | kneet | pabs3, aha yes. And PerfDave the reconfigure rewrote the mailname file - thanks both of you (have just renamed the domain etc for this box - looks like I screwed the mailname settings) :) |
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| 11:54.50 | ootput | PerfDave: I was trying to figure out why md5sum was missing. It was previously installed. thanks for the redirections |
| 11:56.01 | tmircea | X works.. |
| 11:56.20 | DJ-Marcuzz | how can i get that terminal bigger, so nzbperl wits in it? |
| 11:56.33 | PerfDave | tmircea: The win is you :) |
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| 11:57.16 | tmircea | how do i install kde |
| 11:57.17 | kspath | I love all the tools that are not installed by default apt-file ara debtags |
| 11:57.23 | doubleukay | a long shot, but does anyone have a dell poweredge 850 here? |
| 11:57.24 | tmircea | 3.5! |
| 11:57.58 | PerfDave | tmircea: apt-get install kdebase |
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| 11:58.23 | Fujoor | hey guys |
| 11:58.26 | doubleukay | a long shot, but does anyone have a dell poweredge 850 here? can you tell me lspci's output, in particular the IDE stuff |
| 11:58.27 | MyWay | hi |
| 11:58.31 | Fujoor | is there any program |
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| 11:59.15 | PerfDave | Fujoor: No, there are no programs at all, they got banned by the US Government because terrorists use software. |
| 11:59.16 | MyWay | Someone can help me? I have to write on a ntfs partition, simply copy files, i tried installing captive-ntfs, but didnt work, any ideas? |
| 11:59.18 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 11:59.24 | Fujoor | ´sorry |
| 11:59.30 | Fujoor | i clicked on enter before finishing lol |
| 11:59.34 | tmircea | how do i install latest version of gnome |
| 11:59.41 | PerfDave | tmircea: apt-get install gnome |
| 11:59.46 | Fujoor | is there any program that can log inlogging attempts? |
| 11:59.55 | PerfDave | Fujoor: /var/log/auth.log ? |
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| 12:00.05 | Fujoor | ´so it logs everytime |
| 12:00.06 | tmircea | but if i give : apt-get install kdebase wont it install the 3.4 kde? |
| 12:00.09 | Fujoor | ip number and aall? |
| 12:00.21 | Fujoor | time, date, ip number |
| 12:00.30 | PerfDave | tmircea: It'll install whichever version of the kdebase package (and its dependencies) are available in your configured Debian repositories. |
| 12:00.52 | PerfDave | Fujoor: I guess it depends on the logging application, but it should at least have a datestamp. |
| 12:00.57 | PerfDave | s/datestamp/timestamp/ |
| 12:01.00 | tmircea | how can i find out? look in the ftp? |
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| 12:01.18 | tmircea | for kde |
| 12:01.18 | tmircea | wich version.. |
| 12:01.20 | MyWay | Nobody can help writing on ntfs? |
| 12:01.21 | Fujoor | PerfDave: ok, so i dont need any external programs, good to know, ill check it out |
| 12:01.26 | PerfDave | tmircea: apt-cache search, apt-cache show |
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| 12:02.45 | djp | how do i use bittorrent? i installed it for my debian stable os |
| 12:02.45 | PerfDave | djp: You installed the "bittorrent" package? |
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| 12:02.48 | PerfDave | Irrumator++ # Best Latin word ever |
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| 12:03.21 | djp | PerfDave, yes |
| 12:03.43 | djp | PerfDave, used aptitude to install it |
| 12:03.49 | PerfDave | djp: It will install documentation in /usr/share/doc/bittorrent and "dpkg -L bittorrent" will list the programs its installed, which should have manpages. |
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| 12:04.11 | djp | PerfDave, thanks |
| 12:04.16 | tmircea | i want a newer 2.6.15 kernel on debian |
| 12:04.17 | Irrumator | PerfDave: heh |
| 12:04.19 | PerfDave | djp: If it installed any GUI clients, they should be accessible from the application menu of your windowmanager of choice. |
| 12:04.25 | quad3datwork2 | FISH BOWL SOUP! |
| 12:04.25 | ootput | apparently it is now md5sum.textutils ... which is why all of your proposals failed |
| 12:04.32 | puff | kspath: I already thought of a way to solve it, I'm looking for an _efficient_ way to solve it... if you can't think of one, no sweat :-). |
| 12:04.47 | PerfDave | ootput: I think you'll find you're wrong, if you use the commands I suggested :) |
| 12:04.49 | puff | Gar, more spam in my inbox. |
| 12:04.59 | ootput | debhelper, coreutils |
| 12:05.01 | puff | I used to use spam-assassin, but it doesn't scale too well for large inboxes. |
| 12:05.25 | kspath | puff: there are so many ways. efficient is subjective I have found |
| 12:05.44 | MyWay | Who can help me writing a on ntfs? |
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| 12:06.12 | kspath | puff: most often I will tell people 2-3 ways to do something then they give me a list of reasons which they failed to define/list why none of those will work for them |
| 12:06.32 | puff | kspath: "efficient" in this context would refer to user efficiency, i.e. a simple one-or-two keystrokes from the main mutt interface. |
| 12:06.34 | ootput | oh snap, i failed to add security testing |
| 12:06.42 | ootput | so much for a painless migration |
| 12:06.54 | puff | kspath: Anyway, it's late, time for sleep. Thanks for the help. |
| 12:06.58 | kspath | puff: there is one limitation, you have decided that only via mutt |
| 12:07.19 | kspath | puff: sleep well, I should as well |
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| 12:07.57 | PerfDave | puff: What sort of interface do you want with mutt? |
| 12:08.22 | PerfDave | I've seen (but not implemented) some pretty simple solutions with mutt and IMAP for spam filtering and filter training. |
| 12:08.24 | puff | kspath: I mentioned that issue first off, I said from the start that I was using mutt to read my email, elink (and eventually antiword, which I didn't list specifically at first) to render word docs, and that I was looking for a quick/simple way to save-as-plain-text, as opposed to doing the cumbersome save-to-file-and-run-antiword dance. |
| 12:09.12 | puff | PerfDave: No sweat... I'd like to get into that sometime later, but it's 7am here, yeesh. |
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| 12:09.21 | puff | Didn't mean to stay up quite *that* late. |
| 12:09.22 | puff | G'night. |
| 12:09.27 | PerfDave | G'night puff |
| 12:09.29 | kspath | puff: yes, you mentioned mutt but thought you could also consider other options. |
| 12:09.31 | tiny | How do I list the content of a package before it is installed? |
| 12:09.35 | puff | It's amazing what good tunes will do for you :-). |
| 12:09.38 | puff | For your sense of time. |
| 12:09.49 | kspath | so true |
| 12:09.56 | kspath | peter gabriel? |
| 12:10.23 | puff | No, David Korup tongiht, _Eyes Behind The Veil_. Really good middle-eastern drumming. |
| 12:10.58 | kspath | neat |
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| 12:11.13 | jm_ | tiny: man apt-file |
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| 12:12.20 | Laibsch | Would I be asking for trouble if I installed http://packages.ubuntu.com/warty/gnome/gnucash-hbci on my Debian testing system? |
| 12:12.31 | kspath | apt-file seems so limited in output |
| 12:12.36 | PerfDave | Laibsch: Almost certainly. |
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| 12:12.48 | ootput | PerfDave: mate, i can't find it. |
| 12:12.51 | PerfDave | Laibsch: You might have more luck backporting (sideporting?) it, but don't come to us for help if it doesn't work. |
| 12:12.52 | Glanzmann | Hello; I am still looking for xv package for debian testing, anyone? |
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| 12:13.19 | MyWay | Who can help me writing on ntfs? |
| 12:13.20 | tiny | jm_: thnx, installing apt-file |
| 12:13.23 | PerfDave | !why is xv not in testing |
| 12:13.23 | dpkg | xv is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xv |
| 12:14.01 | Glanzmann | I don't want to know why it isn't. I want to know where to get binary packages. |
| 12:14.05 | Glanzmann | (travelmate) [~] ls -al /etc/vim/vimrc* |
| 12:14.05 | Glanzmann | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2843 Sep 1 18:45 /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 12:14.05 | Glanzmann | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2802 Nov 27 08:40 /etc/vim/vimrc.dpkg-dist |
| 12:14.05 | Glanzmann | (travelmate) [~] mv /etc/vim/vimrc.dpkg-dist /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 12:14.05 | Glanzmann | mv: overwrite `/etc/vim/vimrc', overriding mode 0644? |
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| 12:14.15 | kspath | debtags show <packagename> seems so much better for showing package contents and information |
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| 12:14.25 | jm_ | PerfDave: xv has been removed even in Sarge, possible earlier |
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| 12:14.31 | PerfDave | jm_: Licensing violation? |
| 12:14.37 | harm1988 | who can help me set up my Small Machine Forum? |
| 12:14.38 | Glanzmann | Sorry |
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| 12:14.44 | Glanzmann | I am using the keyboardmouse |
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| 12:14.56 | Glanzmann | and selected middle button insetead of left. |
| 12:15.54 | MyWay | Nobody knowns how to write on ntfs? |
| 12:16.09 | ootput | windows might do the trick |
| 12:16.16 | ootput | or fuse |
| 12:16.22 | jm_ | PerfDave: I believe so yes |
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| 12:16.49 | kspath | MyWay: I use a chisel and a 40 lb sledgehammer |
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| 12:17.08 | MyWay | kspath: can you explain how to install and use it? |
| 12:18.20 | petemc | MyWay: i wouldnt bother trying, unless you onyl need to write a smmall bit and its an emergency |
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| 12:18.51 | MyWay | petemc i don't need write i file, if it was one i'd used a cd or something |
| 12:19.09 | petemc | MyWay: what are your requirements? |
| 12:19.18 | PerfDave | Hmm, Glanzmann apparently has poor google-fu. The first hit for "debian xv" states why it's been removed, the first hit for "debian xv remove" is even more enlightening |
| 12:19.24 | MyWay | i have to move all files that i download on a ntfs hard disk |
| 12:19.29 | kspath | MyWay: most people use samba, my only need is to read lamerz data |
| 12:19.33 | MyWay | this is what i need :P |
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| 12:20.05 | PerfDave | MyWay: Reformat the NTFS partition with FAT32! ;) |
| 12:20.19 | MyWay | no fat32 doesn't support file bigger then 4gb :P |
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| 12:20.38 | kris | Hi |
| 12:20.43 | MyWay | hi kris |
| 12:20.51 | PerfDave | MyWay: Then reformat it with ext3 or xfs or something ;) |
| 12:21.15 | kspath | why not use a file systems that the target can read as well? |
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| 12:21.16 | MyWay | also can't because i need it with windows too |
| 12:21.17 | MyWay | :P |
| 12:21.19 | kris | Is there a repo, where there I can find Gnome 2.12 (a testing mirror)? |
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| 12:21.36 | PerfDave | MyWay: Windows can read and write ext2 |
| 12:21.37 | kspath | MyWay: why not use a file systems that the target can read as well? |
| 12:21.49 | MyWay | don't know kspath :O |
| 12:22.01 | MyWay | PerfDave are you sure of it? |
| 12:22.02 | PerfDave | MyWay: Or just don't use Windows, it makes life much easier ;) |
| 12:22.05 | kspath | MyWay: better yet, wipe the windows machine and use Debian |
| 12:22.19 | MyWay | i need it because some hardware doesn't work on linux |
| 12:22.20 | MyWay | :P |
| 12:22.32 | PerfDave | MyWay: Get hardware that works on Linux, it's pretty easy :) |
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| 12:22.46 | PerfDave | MyWay: There are applications and drivers to allow various Windows OSen to read and write ext2 filesystems |
| 12:22.47 | MyWay | i can't :( can't find the drivers for my camera |
| 12:22.58 | ootput | PerfDave: care to help? |
| 12:23.04 | POVaddct | MyWay: which camera is it? |
| 12:23.07 | MyWay | PerfDave but isn't it the same to make debian working for ntfs? |
| 12:23.08 | Paivakil | MyWay: which one? |
| 12:23.09 | PerfDave | MyWay: E-mail the manufacturer, and ask them for Linux drivers? :) |
| 12:23.15 | MyWay | trust spyc@m 300s |
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| 12:23.32 | PerfDave | MyWay: No, it's not the same because it doesn't involve tainting your Linux kernel by bodging Windows drivers into it ;) |
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| 12:23.47 | MyWay | hm |
| 12:24.06 | Paivakil | MyWay: is it a usb camera? |
| 12:24.08 | MyWay | yesterday someone told me of captive-ntfs |
| 12:24.11 | MyWay | yes Paivakil |
| 12:24.12 | kspath | Strangely, I always check to make sure that whatever I buy can interact with Linux and the BSDs so I am not stuck with M$ |
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| 12:24.19 | POVaddct | MyWay: is that a webcam? |
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| 12:24.22 | MyWay | yes |
| 12:24.32 | PerfDave | kspath: Yeah, it's not like it's difficult to get hardware with Free drivers. |
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| 12:25.07 | POVaddct | MyWay: webcams have the worst hardware i've ever seen. i'll never buy one. |
| 12:25.08 | Paivakil | MyWay: your problem is only with this camera? |
| 12:25.11 | MyWay | kspath i'm new to linux world, and when i bought it i didn't think about it :P |
| 12:25.14 | PerfDave | MyWay: captiventfs is a way of tainting your Linux kernel by bodging Windows drivers into it ;) |
| 12:25.21 | MyWay | yes Paivakil |
| 12:25.26 | Paivakil | MyWay: all other h/w works with GNU/Linux for you? |
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| 12:25.31 | MyWay | yes |
| 12:25.44 | npx | hey man |
| 12:25.47 | MyWay | that's why i need windows :P |
| 12:25.50 | kspath | MyWay: how much did it cost? just replace it? give that one to a friend or relative that is stuck in the M$ world? |
| 12:25.51 | npx | a lot of windows drivers work pretty damn well |
| 12:26.05 | MyWay | :O |
| 12:26.13 | MyWay | kspath i'll do it a day :P |
| 12:27.12 | Paivakil | MyWay: have you seen http://www.wifi.com.ar/english/doc/webcam/ov511cameras.html.html |
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| 12:27.19 | kspath | maybe get a logitech webcam? there was a model that is popular |
| 12:27.23 | tzafrir_laptop | what's the name of the site that keep all the historical versions of packages from Etch? |
| 12:27.25 | kspath | do not remember the model |
| 12:27.34 | tzafrir_laptop | something under debian.net |
| 12:27.40 | jm_ | !tell tzafrir_laptop -about sdn |
| 12:27.54 | jm_ | we also need "write it down if you can't remember it" factoid |
| 12:28.16 | MyWay | hm when i'll buy another one i'll check before for linux divers :P |
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| 12:28.31 | POVaddct | kspath: must be a specific model, or even hardware revision. most vendors change chipsets like underwear. makes me puke. |
| 12:28.40 | kspath | jm_ write that idea down before you can not remember it? /me runs and hides |
| 12:28.45 | tzafrir_laptop | jm_, a link to it from debian.org would have helped |
| 12:28.48 | jm_ | kspath: good point |
| 12:29.29 | kspath | tzafrir_laptop: bookmarks do not work? /me runs farther and faster and hides |
| 12:29.30 | jm_ | tzafrir_laptop: why? Debian's web page is mostly dedicated to resources related to the current stable release, people using other releases should know how to get arround |
| 12:29.36 | jojo | How can you specify minor and major directly to the kernel with root= ? |
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| 12:30.20 | jm_ | jojo: man bootparam |
| 12:30.30 | tzafrir_laptop | kspath, well, why bother keeping links in the first place if I have my bookmarks :-p |
| 12:30.32 | kspath | POVaddict: why do they do that? cost savings? new sources of slave labour? |
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| 12:30.45 | tzafrir_laptop | jm_, thanks |
| 12:30.55 | POVaddct | kspath: cost saving mostly, i guess |
| 12:30.57 | Paivakil | tzafrir_laptop: snapshot.debian.net? |
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| 12:31.52 | MyWay | Wich language you think is more easy between tcl, perl and python? |
| 12:31.59 | MyWay | (for x-chat) |
| 12:32.00 | MyWay | :P |
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| 12:32.05 | marculix | Perl |
| 12:32.08 | ne0futur | perl |
| 12:32.12 | MyWay | ok thanks |
| 12:32.12 | petemc | python |
| 12:32.13 | POVaddct | kspath: for example the d-link dwl-g122 (usb wlan). rev.a has prism-usb, rev.b has ralink. both are supported, but i prefer the ralink chip. |
| 12:32.15 | ne0futur | perl is easy |
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| 12:32.26 | ne0futur | bu you can also find un readable perl code ;) |
| 12:33.09 | kspath | POVaddct: almost no stores are going to tell/supply revision you would be lucky if it was even clearly displayed on the box somewhere |
| 12:33.16 | PerfDave | ne0futur: You can find unreadable code in any language ;) |
| 12:33.34 | POVaddct | kspath: yes |
| 12:34.26 | ne0futur | yes but obfuscted perl can be really worse than obfuscated C++ . . . |
| 12:34.40 | PerfDave | ne0futur: Not really :) |
| 12:34.40 | kspath | people seem to like X-chat it is pretty but kinda resource hungry |
| 12:34.53 | PerfDave | POVaddct: The Gigabyte ralink-based cards seem to change model numbers when they change chipsets, fortunately. |
| 12:35.04 | MyWay | kspath what do you use? |
| 12:35.08 | PerfDave | I bloody hate xchat. If I want a GUI IRC client, Konversation is the least sucky one. |
| 12:35.22 | kspath | MyWay: a lot of people use irssi |
| 12:35.23 | tiny | What options for network adress translation should be used these days? I'm a bit conused .. there seems to be NAT and IP_masquerading around. I only need simple adress translation no filtering included. |
| 12:35.50 | ne0futur | a perl guru code should kill me fast |
| 12:35.53 | PerfDave | tiny: http://www.netfilter.org/ |
| 12:35.55 | kspath | MyWay: irssi in aterm is less resource hungry |
| 12:35.58 | MyWay | i'm searching for something similar to mirc, because i always used it :P |
| 12:36.05 | PerfDave | ne0futur: Perl code written by anybody who's read "Learning Perl" is great :) |
| 12:36.18 | kspath | MyWay: well , Xchat is a good start |
| 12:36.24 | ne0futur | irssi in screen in ssh in konsole is great for me ;) |
| 12:36.29 | MyWay | ok thanks |
| 12:36.45 | kspath | MyWay: maybe later we can show you less resource hungry apps to do the same things |
| 12:36.51 | ne0futur | PerfDave: and all the Oreilly perl books are great |
| 12:37.17 | kspath | konsole is a HUGE resource hog |
| 12:37.22 | tzafrir_laptop | hmmm, tried to create a user to fix the wiki, but got some python error. Giving up on this |
| 12:37.29 | cusco | how do I use ps x and sort somehow to count the processes im running? |
| 12:37.43 | kspath | though I agree irssi in screen is quite a good idea |
| 12:37.46 | jm_ | cusco: why would you sort at all? |
| 12:37.46 | ne0futur | MyWay: try irssi and ask little help on IRC if needed, once you 3 4 details its really great |
| 12:37.53 | beardy | cusco: man ps, lot's of sorting options |
| 12:38.04 | MyWay | ne0futur i'll try it, thanks you too. |
| 12:38.17 | PerfDave | konsole isn't a huge resource hog on any machine with a reasonable amount of RAM (256Mb or so), and it's by far the easiest terminal emulator to use |
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| 12:38.26 | jm_ | it is a huge resource hog |
| 12:38.29 | kspath | Konsole and Gnome-terminal are HUGE pigs compared to aterm wterm rxvt mrxvt rxvt-unicode |
| 12:38.32 | cusco | jm I dunno just to count the number of them |
| 12:38.38 | jm_ | cusco: ps x|wc -l |
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| 12:39.01 | Jhair | I thought the easiest terminal emulator to use was xterm... |
| 12:39.05 | beardy | If it takes 256MB to make it not be a resource hog, it most definately is. What makes it easy? |
| 12:39.25 | ttz | bye, thanks for you help |
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| 12:39.27 | PerfDave | beardy: Well, I don't use a GUI on systems with less :) |
| 12:39.41 | maq0r | Which is the latest stable version? 3.1 r0 or 3.1 r0a? |
| 12:39.52 | PerfDave | maq0r: 3.1r1 |
| 12:39.53 | Jhair | gnome-terminal *is* a memory hog, on my AMD64 laptop (1GB RAM) it needs *seconds* to start... |
| 12:39.55 | beardy | !tell maq0r -about stable |
| 12:40.06 | maq0r | Oh, is not in the mirror I checked :o |
| 12:40.28 | PerfDave | maq0r: You can use 3.1r0a to install, you'll just have to download more security updates from the Internet after installing. |
| 12:40.59 | kspath | Jhair: look into rxvt mrxvt aterm and wterm read about them xterm is not horrible just uses more resources for mostly no real gain. |
| 12:41.23 | maq0r | Old question, I see 14 ISO's, my guess is, I do not have to download them all, just binary-1? |
| 12:41.26 | ootput | isn't that a given? |
| 12:41.35 | beardy | !d-i maq0r |
| 12:41.35 | dpkg | maq0r, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:41.37 | ootput | maq0r: not directed at you |
| 12:41.43 | PerfDave | maq0r: Try reading the Debian Installation Manual :) |
| 12:41.43 | beardy | maq0r: Do a netinstall. Use the netinstaller. |
| 12:42.07 | maq0r | I know of the netinstaller, but I won't have Internet where I'm going to install it |
| 12:42.07 | beardy | maq0r: /msg dpkg ig |
| 12:42.19 | maq0r | I'm not new to Debian |
| 12:42.27 | maq0r | But last ISO install I did was 2.2 |
| 12:42.29 | maq0r | potato haha |
| 12:42.39 | beardy | maq0r: Then I'd personally get all cd:s, but you can take one, or more depending on what you are going to install and use. |
| 12:42.41 | Jhair | kspath: I will try some of those lightweight emulators... someday... thanks. |
| 12:42.42 | deadline | i want acroread. what apt source does contain the package? |
| 12:42.52 | maq0r | after that it has all been netinst; now that I won't have internet where I'm going to install it just want to know which ISO's or ISO should I download |
| 12:43.01 | azeem | deadline: I think Debian is not able to distribute acroread |
| 12:43.04 | ne0futur | (13:38) < jm_> it is a huge resource hog |
| 12:43.18 | ne0futur | with windowmaker it's not necessarily |
| 12:43.19 | pabs3 | deadline: debian-unoffical.org |
| 12:43.29 | nkuttler | deadline: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 12:43.31 | azeem | maq0r: it obviously depends on what packages you are going to use |
| 12:43.33 | ne0futur | kde apps a best used with windomaker ;) |
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| 12:43.45 | beardy | maq0r: If the box has a dvdreader, the dvd:s might be nicer since they are two instead of 14-15. |
| 12:43.49 | maq0r | just a bare system; XFree probably |
| 12:44.06 | PerfDave | maq0r: Probably you don't want more than the first CD or two. |
| 12:44.22 | PerfDave | Though if you've got plenty of bandwidth where you are, grab the DVDs *g* |
| 12:44.22 | ne0futur | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.25 | kspath | ne0futur: why not use openbox3 for stability |
| 12:44.33 | ne0futur | with 10 terms and many screens in it |
| 12:44.54 | maq0r | Thing is, since I've done netinstalls for many years (since potato 2.2re2 lol) I have no clue what is exactly inside each ISO and if I'm going to need it, now I'm going to teach some other people how to install Debian and the lab doesn't have a laboratory |
| 12:45.05 | maq0r | I just want to teach them the basics of getting the system started along with XFree |
| 12:45.08 | maq0r | That's it. |
| 12:45.10 | ne0futur | my windowmaker is stable for years . . . but i'll try to test this openbox3 thing |
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| 12:45.15 | azeem | maq0r: does it have DVD? |
| 12:45.20 | maq0r | I don't think so |
| 12:45.26 | maq0r | lab doesn't have internet |
| 12:45.34 | azeem | you said that already |
| 12:45.35 | harm1988 | how do i check if my PHP module is working for apache? |
| 12:45.41 | azeem | maq0r: then, to be sure, maybe the first three |
| 12:45.51 | azeem | the packages are sorted by popularity and importance |
| 12:46.08 | kspath | ne0futur: add ion3 to that list it is kinda like having tabs in firefox but you do not have a pretty desktop |
| 12:46.11 | ne0futur | ( konsole use 12 times less ressource than firefox here ;) |
| 12:46.11 | maq0r | harm: make a small .php page with phpinfo() on it |
| 12:46.22 | azeem | so unless you need to install "really that specific obscure editor for Motif", you should be fine |
| 12:46.35 | maq0r | harm1988 If the system shows the phpinfo then it's all good, if it asks you to download the .php or throws an error then is not working |
| 12:46.43 | kspath | konsole is a w3 compliant browser? |
| 12:46.44 | maq0r | azeem: Thought so |
| 12:47.03 | azeem | kspath: you mean konqueror? |
| 12:47.09 | maq0r | I just wanted to avoid downloading them all haha because I have to give them copies; that's 10 people x 3 cd's each |
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| 12:47.27 | maq0r | Not to mention I'm on 256DSL so it will take me like 4 days to download the whole thing |
| 12:47.28 | azeem | maq0r: but they might have internet at home? |
| 12:47.29 | ne0futur | konsole is a multi-terminal |
| 12:47.30 | kspath | azeem: no I was responding to a konsole reference in a sarcastic manner |
| 12:47.40 | POVaddct | PerfDave: what type of cards are the ralink based gigabyte cards? (usb/cardbus/minipci) |
| 12:47.42 | maq0r | azeem Yea but I want them to test it on the lab machines |
| 12:47.47 | ne0futur | i were just comparing ressource use, konsole is not a browser ;) |
| 12:47.52 | azeem | maq0r: ok, but you need only one set for that |
| 12:47.57 | PerfDave | POVaddct: All of the above :) |
| 12:47.59 | kspath | ne0futur: really |
| 12:48.03 | azeem | or maybe, get N copies of CD 1 |
| 12:48.03 | ne0futur | oups |
| 12:48.09 | azeem | and 2 or 3 of the CD 2 and 3 |
| 12:48.18 | azeem | and they should share if they need them |
| 12:48.29 | beardy | maq0r: What does the "test" include? The first cd should be enough if it's only install and wipe for every tester.. |
| 12:48.36 | PerfDave | POVaddct: Older cards use the rt2500 chipset, which is great for Debian. Newer ones use rt2561 which is less good. |
| 12:48.37 | harm1988 | how do i move an entire DIR? |
| 12:48.42 | azeem | harm1988: mv |
| 12:48.50 | harm1988 | er.. taht moves the entire dir? |
| 12:48.52 | ne0futur | just wanted to say it doesnt use so much ressource ( compared to mozilla or kmail ) |
| 12:48.57 | azeem | mv dir new_dir |
| 12:49.04 | kspath | ne0futur: have you tried using rxvt or mrxvt or aterm or wterm instead of konsole? compare the resources |
| 12:49.20 | POVaddct | PerfDave: no open source driver for rt2561 ? |
| 12:49.33 | tiny | How do I solve this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/dGC50L26.html ? |
| 12:49.45 | maq0r | azeem: Yea |
| 12:49.56 | maq0r | beardy: Just system install and how to install XFREE |
| 12:49.58 | kspath | ne0futur: ps aux | egrep "konsole|rxvt|term" |
| 12:50.00 | maq0r | Apache too |
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| 12:50.07 | azeem | maq0r: that's CD 1, apache as well I think |
| 12:50.14 | ne0futur | yes but jonsole is lutli-terminal with many great useful features |
| 12:50.19 | azeem | maq0r: you can get a list of packages at cdimage.debian.org somewhere |
| 12:50.27 | maq0r | yea going to check that ;) |
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| 12:50.39 | PerfDave | POVaddct: ralink have released their driver under the GPL recently, it's a bit shite. The code *will* be integrated into the rt2x00 project, but rt2x00 requires kernel 2.6.13 or greater so is no good for Sarge. rt2500 chipsets are supported by the rt2500 and rt2x00 drivers. rt2x00 provides greater functionality (like access point stuff) but has the aforementioned problems with Sarge. |
| 12:50.46 | maq0r | I can't believe I'm gonna get paid for teaching something I've been doing for 5-6 years lol |
| 12:50.49 | ne0futur | many session kinds, send input to all terms, watch term |
| 12:50.51 | maq0r | as a hobby I mean |
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| 12:51.16 | POVaddct | PerfDave: ah, i see |
| 12:51.22 | POVaddct | PerfDave: thanks |
| 12:51.35 | harm1988 | can some one help me install PHP correctly cuz my apache2 doesnt work with .php files while i intsalled the php4 module via apt-get (i have debian) |
| 12:51.51 | PerfDave | POVaddct: For more info on ralink chipsets, see http://www.livejournal.com/users/diffrentcolours/605835.html |
| 12:52.00 | gloob | hi, anybody know where reside the content of a deb file unpacked with dpkg (i.e. dpkg --unpack sexmachine.deb) |
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| 12:52.26 | POVaddct | PerfDave: thanks again :) |
| 12:52.42 | kspath | I guess I should talk into my armpit. |
| 12:54.12 | azeem | gloob: at the same place it would be if you'd install it I think |
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| 12:54.35 | gloob | azeem: umh, i get it from /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 12:54.48 | S4nD3r | checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... no |
| 12:54.51 | S4nD3r | How solve it ? |
| 12:54.53 | gloob | azeem: and there's nothing |
| 12:55.04 | azeem | "ther"? |
| 12:55.04 | PerfDave | S4nD3r: What are you trying to do? |
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| 12:55.07 | azeem | eh, there |
| 12:55.15 | S4nD3r | Im trying to install gaim.1.5 |
| 12:55.23 | azeem | gloob: it should get unpacked in /usr/bin, /usr/share etc. |
| 12:55.32 | PerfDave | S4nD3r: apt-get? |
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| 12:55.42 | gloob | azeem: aham |
| 12:55.49 | gloob | azeem: then i'm wrong |
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| 12:55.52 | S4nD3r | I have apt-get |
| 12:56.03 | S4nD3r | I was using ./configure from gaim |
| 12:56.09 | PerfDave | S4nD3r: Use apt-get. |
| 12:56.11 | gloob | azeem: i want to intercept postinst script and modify before install |
| 12:56.12 | azeem | gloob: if you want to unpack it somewhere else, use dpkg-deb -x foo.deb <place> |
| 12:56.22 | azeem | gloob: well, you can still do that |
| 12:56.25 | kspath | S4nD3r: if you get sick of gaim try centericq, pork, naim |
| 12:56.31 | azeem | gloob: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.postinst |
| 12:56.38 | azeem | then run dpkg --configure -a |
| 12:56.41 | PerfDave | kspath: S4nD3r could also use kopete or psi :) |
| 12:56.42 | gloob | azeem: ok, thank you :] |
| 12:56.52 | S4nD3r | lol... |
| 12:56.55 | kspath | PerfDave: true |
| 12:56.57 | S4nD3r | I want to solve this problem |
| 12:57.04 | azeem | gloob: this is based on the theory that it really got unpacked but not installed in / |
| 12:57.05 | S4nD3r | How do I install gtk2 and glib 2 ? |
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| 12:57.19 | gloob | azeem: i see |
| 12:57.24 | PerfDave | S4nD3r: If you want to install software, use apt-get. It's much easier. |
| 12:57.41 | azeem | gloob: but hey, if you have /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.postinst, that theory should be correct, unless you had a different version installed before |
| 12:57.45 | S4nD3r | I know that is easier |
| 12:57.54 | S4nD3r | But Id like to solve this problem |
| 12:57.57 | gloob | azeem: it's a fresh install, no problem ;) |
| 12:58.04 | PerfDave | S4nD3r: If you're trying to compile stuff by hand and you don't know what you're doing, you risk breaking your system. |
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| 12:58.31 | lilalinux | anyone here running vmware 5.5.1 under debian? |
| 12:58.39 | S4nD3r | I know that |
| 12:58.46 | S4nD3r | How do I install gtk2 and glib2 ? |
| 12:58.52 | PerfDave | S4nD3r: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 12:58.54 | PerfDave | S4nD3r: /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:59.07 | lilalinux | I get: "Version mismatch with vmmon module: expecting 137.0, got 122.0." no matter what kernel I try |
| 12:59.26 | PerfDave | lilalinux: Ask VMWare for support for their product? :) |
| 12:59.46 | kspath | PerfDave: I was trying to push to look at text/curses based tools instead of GAIM or Qt or other based GUIs since it avoids TONs of possible issues. |
| 12:59.51 | sep | lilalinux, and you compile this module for each kernel you tryofcouse ? |
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| 13:00.01 | lilalinux | sep: of course :) |
| 13:00.09 | Laibsch | PerfDave: OK, thank you for the reply. I will try to find another solution. |
| 13:00.18 | sep | lilalinux, then i have no idea. havent upgraded since 4 |
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| 13:02.04 | tzafrir_laptop | kspath, interface for what? |
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| 13:02.14 | tzafrir_laptop | licq has a curses interface... |
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| 13:02.45 | kspath | have not used that one will look at it |
| 13:03.08 | tzafrir_laptop | kspath, seriesly, start with an apt-cache search |
| 13:03.18 | tzafrir_laptop | there are quite a few of them |
| 13:03.24 | lilalinux | sep: I'll try again, this time without the "any-any" patch |
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| 13:03.56 | S4nD3r | Id like to help in free source. Im brazilian |
| 13:04.05 | PerfDave | !br |
| 13:04.05 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:04.08 | kspath | tzafrir_laptop I already have centericq and pork I do not need others I would prefer to avoid licq because it seems to want gtk I prefer text/curses only |
| 13:04.37 | PerfDave | S4nD3r: I believe that there is a South American chapter of the Free Software Foundation |
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| 13:05.39 | lixus | is udev the replacement for hotplug these days ? |
| 13:06.44 | PerfDave | !tell cipo -about away |
| 13:06.54 | dimir | lixus: Just another option, I'd say. |
| 13:07.24 | kspath | tzafrir_laptop: sorry meant licq wants Qt sorry all GUIs look alike to me sometimes |
| 13:07.27 | S4nD3r | apt-get build-dep gaim Thats is the solutions of my problem PerfDave |
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| 13:08.05 | PerfDave | S4nD3r: No it isn't ;) |
| 13:08.17 | S4nD3r | ? |
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| 13:08.46 | PerfDave | S4nD3r: But if you're going to ignore all the wonderful advice you've been given and screw up your system, then I hope you enjoy yourself ;) |
| 13:09.04 | hotti | exit |
| 13:09.08 | S4nD3r | oh my god |
| 13:09.14 | S4nD3r | I will crash my system ? |
| 13:09.23 | S4nD3r | Now I run that command line |
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| 13:09.53 | hotti | hello! i want to use my printer on a windows-system by a debian-client over network |
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| 13:10.35 | troyme | hotti cupsys |
| 13:10.36 | mrex | hotti, use cups |
| 13:10.58 | hotti | as a client? |
| 13:11.05 | mrex | yes |
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| 13:11.15 | hotti | thx |
| 13:11.22 | mrex | if you run gnome, gnome-cups-manager has a nice gui |
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| 13:11.24 | ekl | hi |
| 13:11.28 | PerfDave | hotti: Run a CUPS server on your machine, configure your CUPS server to access the remote Windows printer. It's easy using the KDE printer setup dialogue once you've installed cupsys |
| 13:11.32 | hotti | ive gor kde |
| 13:11.50 | S4nD3r | PerfDave, Is there anyway to undo those changes ? |
| 13:11.52 | hotti | ok, thx |
| 13:12.42 | harm1988 | can some one help me install PHP correctly cuz my apache2 doesnt work with .php files while i intsalled the php4 module via apt-get (i have debian) |
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| 13:13.36 | hotti | herml1988 you have to configure you apache-config-files for php-files |
| 13:14.04 | PerfDave | S4nD3r: Which changes? |
| 13:14.49 | S4nD3r | apt-get build-dep gam |
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| 13:16.43 | PerfDave | S4nD3r: You can manually remove the build dependencies if you wish |
| 13:16.58 | harm1988 | hotti i think i did |
| 13:16.59 | PerfDave | Right, time to go and do other things |
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| 13:17.06 | harm1988 | i did apt get on both |
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| 13:17.23 | NoboruKun | hello all |
| 13:17.35 | NoboruKun | can i know, how can i build a debian mirror ? |
| 13:17.38 | harm1988 | but where would i make the needed chanes in he configs? |
| 13:18.11 | mrex | harm1988, go look in /etc/apache.... for the .conf file, then look for php4, the line that loads the module is commented out |
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| 13:18.33 | mrex | uncomment it. an apt-get install doesnt change that (the last time i used it) |
| 13:18.38 | crypt_ex | Is there an alternative command, rather than ps aux and top to find out what processes are using in terms of memory used? |
| 13:18.55 | Paivakil | crypt_ex: htop |
| 13:18.55 | mrex | crypt_ex: top |
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| 13:19.14 | crypt_ex | alternative? |
| 13:19.27 | crypt_ex | of all proccesses and memory used? |
| 13:19.36 | pm_ | how can i make a personalized ISO with debian? i have to install debian in a lot of machines, and i want to padronize the instalation with the same apps and etc. |
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| 13:20.31 | troyme | NoboruKun apt-get install debmirror |
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| 13:20.48 | qknight_ | hey |
| 13:20.55 | NoboruKun | troyme, That is all ? |
| 13:20.57 | qknight_ | can someone please paste me: gcc -v |
| 13:21.01 | qknight_ | from a running system |
| 13:21.06 | qknight_ | i have --enable-languages=c,c++,java,objc,f77 this |
| 13:21.10 | troyme | debmirror is a tool for mirror |
| 13:21.13 | qknight_ | how does debian differ? |
| 13:21.14 | Petro | Hi, when I use the console I receive error messages, how do I prevent them from popping up? (they're coming from my wlan card and I am logged in as a normal user) |
| 13:21.39 | Paivakil | pm_: debian-cd |
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| 13:21.47 | Ronin | *yawn* man i hate covering the helpdesk phones |
| 13:21.52 | pm_ | Paivakil is this an app? |
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| 13:22.06 | qknight_ | Petro: that's because the error use stderr instead of stdout and stderr is directly printed in the console |
| 13:22.15 | Paivakil | pm_: yes |
| 13:22.20 | troyme | NoboruKun after install debmirror ,man debmirror, it's easy |
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| 13:22.30 | Petro | qknight_: should I report that as a bug or is it "normal"? |
| 13:22.31 | Paivakil | pm_: apt-get install debian-cd and follow the instructions |
| 13:22.34 | harm1988 | mrex php4.conf is in the mods_enabled |
| 13:22.40 | pm_ | thanks Paivakil |
| 13:22.42 | qknight_ | Petro: that's quite normal |
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| 13:22.53 | Petro | Paivakil: thank you |
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| 13:23.11 | qknight_ | Petro: if you don't like this behaviour then you might have to change the logger options - but i never did that |
| 13:23.14 | NoboruKun | troyme, Thanks. |
| 13:23.20 | FromTO | does anyone use the Apple Airport Express Wireless Base Station? how does it integrate with debian. I have atheros card in my laptop |
| 13:23.30 | troyme | NoboruKun: nothing |
| 13:23.44 | qknight_ | FromTO: should integrate with atheros (madwifi) quite well |
| 13:23.45 | Petro | FromTO: I do, works fine with a 802.11b |
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| 13:23.50 | qknight_ | FromTO: if not ask in #madwifi |
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| 13:24.24 | FromTO | thanks a lot guys. |
| 13:24.45 | xored | hello, iam trying to set my debian server as a router, as i got the DSL connection today. Server is running for a while for other reasons until now. I just ned help to set up the ppp0 driver, are there any tips /tricks ? |
| 13:25.31 | jm_ | xored: install ppp, configure it, start it |
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| 13:26.09 | scenestar | lo room |
| 13:26.21 | xored | jm_, : ok. btw i boutgh a new network device as iam sure, my ISA card is broken after 9 years |
| 13:26.32 | fireba11 | xored: lol |
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| 13:26.38 | xored | :) |
| 13:26.40 | scenestar | ive been using ubuntu for some time, but that OS is being completely dumbed down |
| 13:26.49 | fireba11 | xored: got no box with isa slots anymore at home |
| 13:26.55 | scenestar | seeign as ive been a windows power user for some time i want a proper OS |
| 13:27.02 | jm_ | xored: they're cheap anyway |
| 13:27.07 | scenestar | but how THE HELLL do i know what drivers i need for my ahrdware |
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| 13:27.23 | xored | fireba11, : the server is the only one. its just all my old computer components running as a low-voltage server etc |
| 13:27.33 | fireba11 | scenestar: you usually don't .. |
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| 13:27.43 | ircdevil | eeeh - does anyone know what the name was of the predecessor of the SGI Altix series? |
| 13:27.43 | xored | jm_, : exactly, 10€ here in germany for a 10/100 pci |
| 13:28.06 | scenestar | well, let me rephraise that, an ubuntu install does all these things for me. I dont mind doing all the configuration myself, but where do i start? |
| 13:28.06 | fireba11 | xored: got 4 spare at home .. 7€ each ^^ |
| 13:28.15 | xored | hehe :) |
| 13:28.29 | mrex | harm1988, im giving it a go myself, be there now now. did you also install php4 (i think apache needs that as well as the modules, but not 100% sure) |
| 13:28.29 | jm_ | scenestar: install Debian, that's the first bit |
| 13:28.51 | xored | fireba11, : i had so much hardware here, i build three routers and still got enaugh parts left :) |
| 13:29.00 | scenestar | allready did that 2 days ago, but after my sspeakers produced noises from hell and my nvidea card died |
| 13:29.00 | fireba11 | xored: lol .. |
| 13:29.07 | scenestar | i decided to quickly revert |
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| 13:29.14 | scenestar | i underestemated things |
| 13:29.45 | xored | guys one question. how can i show my current battery state of my latop right now ? |
| 13:29.57 | scenestar | acpid? |
| 13:29.57 | jm_ | xored: look at /proc/acpi |
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| 13:30.19 | xored | is there any "effizent" way to clock down a centrino under linux while runtime and low down the voltage ? |
| 13:30.30 | SerajewelKS | why would samba be rejecting my logon from one specific XP box? other boxen work fine, including XP and Mac. |
| 13:30.33 | scenestar | not really |
| 13:30.53 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: samba got a list of IPs allowed to connect .. you checked that ? |
| 13:31.27 | xored | jm_, : thank you |
| 13:32.02 | ekl | hi, can someone give me an hint about the new feature of apt + gpg ? i'm searching documentation or something similar |
| 13:32.20 | EdLin | ekl: /topic |
| 13:32.21 | fireba11 | ekl ? |
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| 13:32.31 | fireba11 | new feature ? ^^ |
| 13:32.37 | oldman | is there an good debian website to get the most current table connecting "stable, unstable, testing" with "sarge, etch, and whatever"? |
| 13:32.47 | ekl | well |
| 13:32.51 | ekl | for me is a new feature |
| 13:32.51 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: well, i haven't edited the default debian install beyond adding shares |
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| 13:33.01 | ekl | i never had problems about gpg when using apt |
| 13:33.08 | ekl | it started about 10 days ago |
| 13:33.13 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: so i assume there's no IP ban. the box can connect to anonymous shares, but all attempts to log in are rejected. |
| 13:33.26 | saloxin_ | xored: powernowd or similar |
| 13:33.27 | blondie | ekl: did you read teh topic |
| 13:33.39 | ekl | yes, but.. where should be the info ? |
| 13:33.40 | Paivakil | ekl read the /topic of this room |
| 13:33.44 | ekl | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.46 | blondie | ekl: read the topic again |
| 13:33.47 | Shadowcat | !topicsmite ekl |
| 13:33.47 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ekl. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 13:33.54 | Paivakil | !apt-secure |
| 13:33.54 | dpkg | well, apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D>, or ask me about <2006 key> |
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| 13:34.11 | Paivakil | ekl: see what dpkg said above |
| 13:34.18 | ekl | k |
| 13:34.24 | Shadowcat | Paivakil: that requires reading, you know we don't do that here |
| 13:34.35 | Paivakil | lol |
| 13:34.41 | SerajewelKS | !lol |
| 13:34.41 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 13:34.57 | Shadowcat | !aol |
| 13:34.58 | dpkg | aol is probably for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
| 13:35.13 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 13:35.17 | pabs3 | oldman: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 13:35.23 | Shadowcat | !aol user |
| 13:35.30 | oldman | pabs3: thankee! |
| 13:35.31 | Shadowcat | hmm that's interesting |
| 13:35.46 | SerajewelKS | !aol Paivakil |
| 13:35.56 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: hm ... anything special about that box ? another windooze version or something ? |
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| 13:36.09 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: not that i know.. XP SP2 |
| 13:36.13 | Paivakil | whoo!!! I did not know that aol is soooo much disliked |
| 13:36.19 | scenestar | xp 2 drove me to linux |
| 13:36.22 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: it's running Novell client, but so are the other boxen i successfully logged on with |
| 13:36.27 | scenestar | security center <<<< big joke |
| 13:36.33 | mrex | harm1988,sorry, no luck. got the same thing. |
| 13:36.52 | Cyis | Paivakil: why would it mean "@$$holes on-line" if it was not disliked :) |
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| 13:37.01 | SerajewelKS | scenestar: XP security center is about as much use as boobs in a gay bar |
| 13:37.02 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: so it's asking for user/pass but denies all the time ? |
| 13:37.18 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: right, except for anon shares which i can access without problems |
| 13:37.32 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: anything unexpected in samba log ? |
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| 13:38.32 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: i have yet to find anything useful about anything in any of the samba logs. |
| 13:38.39 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: the /var/log/samba directory is a mess |
| 13:38.40 | scenestar | SerajewelKS, you trying to login to a windows box from linux? |
| 13:38.45 | scenestar | try mounting the volume |
| 13:38.52 | scenestar | and use ethereal to look for oddities |
| 13:38.59 | fireba11 | scenestar: he got problems accessing a samba share |
| 13:39.00 | scenestar | windows networking is a complete disaste |
| 13:39.02 | SerajewelKS | scenestar: no, N/A, and N/A |
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| 13:39.18 | SerajewelKS | scenestar: thank you for paying so much attention to my question before starting to offer advice |
| 13:39.30 | scenestar | :D |
| 13:39.32 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: samba logs aren't THAT bad .. :-) |
| 13:39.47 | fusionfox | anyone knows a good program to make security images of cds? |
| 13:39.48 | scenestar | i have a bad case off add |
| 13:39.48 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: the main samba log has startup and shutdown logs. that's *it*. |
| 13:39.57 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: also, make sure the user you are trying to use works .. e.g. try another user |
| 13:40.07 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: this same user works from other boxen |
| 13:40.33 | _Brandon_ | hi, i have rebooted debian and it starts busybox? and give me this error /bin/sh can't access tty; job control turned off |
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| 13:40.47 | Paivakil | fusionfox: ?? |
| 13:40.47 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: and the individual log for this IP address is empty |
| 13:40.59 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: so, as i said, i cannot find any use for samba logs |
| 13:41.06 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: /var/logs/samba usually holds a seperate log file for every client accessing |
| 13:41.29 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-01-18 08:17 log.10.100.0.30 |
| 13:41.37 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: all of the IP-based logs are empty |
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| 13:41.57 | fireba11 | hmm ... |
| 13:42.19 | fusionfox | Paivakil: to make isos of cds |
| 13:42.21 | aghaster | is there any irc chan for code::blocks? |
| 13:42.37 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: okay it's in samba.computername |
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| 13:42.51 | _Brandon_ | also if i start with old 2.6.8 kernel it gives me cannot open dev/console no such file |
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| 13:43.52 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: when the login doesn't work nothing is added to the log.. let me restart samba |
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| 13:43.53 | Paivakil | fusionfox: apt-get install debian-cd and follow the instructions |
| 13:44.24 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: it should contain a rejected line .. |
| 13:44.40 | wizzomafizzo | Is xfree86 generally the same as xorg? Or is there some reason I should use testing for xorg? |
| 13:44.42 | aghaster | when booting my new debian system it loads the 'appletalk' process, and it takes a while. how could i remove that process? |
| 13:44.53 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: nothing |
| 13:45.02 | streuner | wizzomafizzo: better videocard support |
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| 13:45.30 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: wired .. |
| 13:45.32 | streuner | wizzomafizzo: some newer chipsets are supported, if your videocard is supported by xfree86 just use that |
| 13:45.46 | crypt_ex | To be able to print to a windows machines printer, do I need smbclient installed, or the full Samba? |
| 13:45.53 | wizzomafizzo | Ok, I'm pretty sure it's supported. |
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| 13:46.17 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: it should at least log a reject ... |
| 13:46.31 | xored | jm_, : iam reading a pppoe tutorial but iam hanging on one step. There should be a /etc/ppp/dsl-provider file, but there is non on my installation. What could i do ? |
| 13:47.04 | xored | oh, sh*t, wrong dir. Sorry |
| 13:48.17 | crypt_ex | dpkg tell Crypt_ex about samba |
| 13:48.34 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: it logs this: regdb_open: Failed to open /var/run/samba/registry.tdb! (No such file or directory) |
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| 13:48.50 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: but all the logs contain that |
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| 13:49.01 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: makes me wonder if it's trying to authenticate with a domain server or something |
| 13:49.07 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: you using domain login ? |
| 13:49.21 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: someone else had that yesterday when trying to do domains |
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| 13:50.03 | jm_ | xored: I don't use that method to start ppp on my machine |
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| 13:50.57 | xored | jm_, : how do you do that in the other way ? |
| 13:51.24 | incorrect | does anyone know of a backport of python 2.3 to woody |
| 13:51.35 | fireba11 | !backport |
| 13:51.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 13:51.36 | jm_ | xored: using interfaces file |
| 13:51.43 | xored | sure |
| 13:51.51 | xored | tpye : ppp then ? |
| 13:51.57 | xored | or pppoe |
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| 13:52.22 | crypt_ex | dpkg tell Crypt_ex about smbclient |
| 13:52.50 | plazm | Is there a SSHserver on etch installation cd1 x386 ? |
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| 13:53.29 | fklutiero | plazm: openssh-server, most likely |
| 13:53.37 | plazm | dpkg tell plazm about smbclient |
| 13:53.37 | vin` | crypt_ex: now that you have a query window with dpkg, you can just type the factoid name there, no need for 'dpkg tell' |
| 13:53.38 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: the server isn't, no |
| 13:53.53 | fklutiero | !tell plazm about selftell |
| 13:53.59 | xwl | Hi, How to convert ogg files to mp3? |
| 13:54.03 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: i'm wondering if the box *thinks* it is an is trying to authenticate with a domain controller.. that would explain why the log doesn't show a reject |
| 13:54.12 | SerajewelKS | !tell xwl about lame |
| 13:54.21 | jm_ | xored: there's an example somewhere |
| 13:54.53 | jm_ | xored: /usr/share/doc/ppp/examples/interfaces |
| 13:55.18 | oldman | !tell oldman about pppoe |
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| 13:55.28 | jm_ | plazm: /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 13:56.32 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: samba is set to user-based authentication |
| 13:57.26 | plazm | jm_ thank |
| 13:58.42 | wizzomafizzo | When will the next Debian release be? Or does it just happen whenever? |
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| 13:58.54 | sep | wizzomafizzo, exactly |
| 13:59.06 | wizzomafizzo | Ah ok. |
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| 13:59.16 | crypt_ex | vin`, okay will remember that next time. thanks |
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| 13:59.52 | crypt_ex | vin`, You dont know if I need to have cups installed to be able to print to a printer on a windows machine...even if smb is setup? |
| 13:59.53 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: yeah, the log has nothing but registry.tdb errors |
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| 14:01.04 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: you might want to fix those. . doesn't tell me anythign but errors are usually no good *g* |
| 14:01.28 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: do the errors correspond to the time you tried to log in ? |
| 14:01.47 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: no. the errors are in every log, even the logs of computers where this works. |
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| 14:02.11 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: plus i don't know how i can *fix* a file that's supposed to be in /var/run. don't programs make those files as they need them? |
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| 14:02.28 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: i know .. but si there one error every time you log in ? |
| 14:02.33 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: no |
| 14:03.01 | xored | jm_, : how to kill the current pppoe connections ? how to locate them |
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| 14:03.14 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: you might want to try #samba too .. but it sounds more like a problem in network connection to the samba box then samba itself |
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| 14:05.26 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: i can shell to the samba box, and see anon shares, so the connection is fine? |
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| 14:06.17 | jm_ | xored: just stop ppp |
| 14:06.19 | SerajewelKS | s#\?#.# |
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| 14:09.48 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: probably |
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| 14:09.51 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: according to netstat there's a connection open to my box on :445 |
| 14:10.13 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: but samba not logging anything sounds fishy |
| 14:10.15 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: and about six connections to other boxen on :524 |
| 14:10.38 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: and of course two to my box on :22 for the shell sessions |
| 14:10.43 | xored | someone from germany using versatel in here and setted up a pppoe connection ? |
| 14:11.02 | fireba11 | xored: makes no difference what provider you got |
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| 14:11.23 | streuner | xored: doesn't the ISP store any infos about on their website? |
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| 14:12.09 | xored | streuner, : as normal not for linux. |
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| 14:12.27 | fireba11 | xored: you just need user name and password .. that's it |
| 14:12.28 | azeem | those are general |
| 14:12.37 | xored | fireba11, : sure i configured it and twice-checked my data, but i get a PAP authentication failed |
| 14:12.44 | streuner | xored: http://adsl4linux.de/howtos/#LAN |
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| 14:14.11 | GNULinux | Can someone tell me what my lilo says...it is missing some files, will it boot correctly? http://pastebin.com/511439 |
| 14:14.25 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: let me try failing the login from smbclient |
| 14:14.30 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: see what gets logged |
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| 14:15.02 | fireba11 | GNULinux: now how did you manage to get that ?? |
| 14:15.08 | drcurl | Hi, I just installed debian based system and added gnome-core |
| 14:15.21 | drcurl | It is very fast, a lot more than Ubuntu |
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| 14:15.29 | GNULinux | fireba11: I replaced /vmlinuz and /initrd.img with the other kernel values |
| 14:15.42 | fireba11 | GNULinux: nwo why would you do that ? |
| 14:15.50 | drcurl | But I would need help to setup sound, should I just apt-get alsa? |
| 14:16.06 | GNULinux | fireba11: becouse I had switched the kernels |
| 14:16.12 | streuner | drcurl: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 14:16.16 | GNULinux | fireba11: kernel1 became kernel2 |
| 14:16.17 | fireba11 | GNULinux: why didn#t you jsut apt-get your kernel ? |
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| 14:16.27 | fireba11 | GNULinux: taht would have updated bootloader too |
| 14:16.37 | GNULinux | GNULinux: i have apt-get both, but i have replaced them in boot procedure |
| 14:16.44 | fireba11 | GNULinux: you won't be able to boot like that |
| 14:17.11 | fireba11 | GNULinux: err .. what ?did you apt-get install it or did you replace it ? |
| 14:17.13 | drcurl | streuner, Linux version 2.6.8-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 |
| 14:17.22 | stew | GNULinux: try "modprobe dm_mod" and running lilo again |
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| 14:17.44 | GNULinux | fireba11: stew ok fixed |
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| 14:17.55 | streuner | drcurl: run 'alsaconf' as root |
| 14:18.07 | drcurl | streuner, ok thanks |
| 14:18.40 | drcurl | streuner, no alsaconf, need to get alsautils? |
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| 14:19.15 | GNULinux | fireba11: I just replaced this symlinks with one-another |
| 14:19.16 | GNULinux | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 2006-01-18 15:12 vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12+vserver4 |
| 14:19.20 | GNULinux | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2006-01-18 15:12 vmlinuz.old -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-1-386 |
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| 14:19.42 | GNULinux | fireba11: with each-other |
| 14:19.45 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# dpkg -S /usr/sbin/alsaconf |
| 14:19.45 | streuner | alsa-utils: /usr/sbin/alsaconf |
| 14:20.05 | crypt_ex | Which deb do I need installed for cups? |
| 14:20.18 | xored | fireba11, where do i ind the log of ppp / pppoe ? |
| 14:20.18 | streuner | drcurl: read /msg dpkg alsa too |
| 14:20.23 | crypt_ex | cupsys I take it? |
| 14:20.44 | streuner | xored: /var/log/syslog |
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| 14:20.58 | streuner | xored: usually it logs there |
| 14:21.23 | fl00d | one question guys: do you know how to set cupsys to listen just on one interface? |
| 14:21.48 | cahoot | fl00d: look in the config file |
| 14:22.14 | ekl | can i paste 1 line ? |
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| 14:23.04 | xored | how to open a file, so that it will be actualized all the time ? |
| 14:23.13 | jm_ | tail -f filename |
| 14:23.15 | dions | Hi I am trying to install k3b but I keep getting this error.... Depends: kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.2-1) but it is not installable |
| 14:23.18 | xored | thank you |
| 14:23.20 | ekl | maybe tail -f filename |
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| 14:23.25 | streuner | dions: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 14:23.27 | dions | I have kdelibs4c2a is already the newest version. |
| 14:23.37 | fl00d | xored: touch? |
| 14:23.45 | streuner | heh |
| 14:24.07 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.11 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: i logged in locally (smbclient) and gave it an invalid password. nothing shows up in that log. |
| 14:24.17 | streuner | or create files... |
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| 14:24.34 | sandmanV1 | hi, i've got a linux box that is acting as a firewall/router/dsl modem. i've used pppoeconf to get it connected to the dsl concentrator. but everyonce in while, the ISP disconnects me, even though i have persistent connection with an echo interval set. So, the question is, are there any out of the box solutions for making sure the dsl reconnect happens if i am disconnected? |
| 14:24.37 | xored | streuner, i cannot find entrys in syslog or messages :/ |
| 14:24.38 | GNULinux | My server only shows me 248MB or RAM memory, even that there are 2x 256 MB SD RAM inside....what could be the problem? |
| 14:24.39 | stew | dions: what version of debian? |
| 14:24.40 | fl00d | streuner: yea wrong answer |
| 14:24.47 | Impl0z | hi there: |
| 14:24.47 | Impl0z | ! |
| 14:24.49 | FireStorm\away | hallo |
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| 14:25.00 | dions | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.5-11 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 14:25.01 | abrotman | sandmanV1: there should be an option for pppoe to have to reconnect on disconnect |
| 14:25.11 | dions | stew source.list is for sid |
| 14:25.13 | abrotman | there is for regular ppp |
| 14:25.15 | streuner | xored: well, just grep then - they are usually in /var/log/* |
| 14:25.23 | FireStorm\away | kann mir jemand helfen für debian installation mit sata platten ? // Can anybody help me for a debian installation with SATA-HDD´s |
| 14:25.40 | GNULinux | FireStorm\away: #debian.de |
| 14:25.51 | streuner | dions: sounds like testing or unstable, did you check BTS yet? |
| 14:25.52 | sandmanV1 | abrotman: thanks! where should i look for this? i can't find crap for pppoe docs except the pppoeconf walkthrough, which isn't what i'm looking for. |
| 14:25.57 | streuner | !info libc6 testing |
| 14:26.05 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-8 (etch), Packaged size: 4937 kB, Installed size: 16752 kB |
| 14:26.10 | abrotman | sandmanV1: google "pppoe reconnect" .. maybe ? |
| 14:26.11 | streuner | unstable then |
| 14:26.14 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: see if you can change loglevel for samba |
| 14:26.17 | stew | dions: can you put the output of apt-cache policy k3b kdelibs4c2a into a pastebin? |
| 14:26.18 | dions | streuner, unstable |
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| 14:26.25 | FireStorm\away | uhm ? why i use the channel first time :o) |
| 14:26.30 | streuner | !tell dions about bts |
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| 14:26.42 | FireStorm\away | uhm ? why i am banned use the channel first time :o) |
| 14:26.44 | ekl | i feel really stupid |
| 14:26.57 | streuner | dions: and your sources.list too (what stew mentioned) |
| 14:27.01 | ekl | i did as written in the url given me by dpkg |
| 14:27.06 | ekl | and i got: |
| 14:27.30 | ekl | uhm.. sorry, the message is localized |
| 14:27.43 | abrotman | sandmanV1: i don't see anything though .. hrm |
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| 14:28.34 | dions | http://pastebin.com/511452 |
| 14:28.45 | sandmanV1 | abrotman: yeah... a manpage or config options document or anything... |
| 14:28.45 | Benj_ | Hello. |
| 14:28.54 | FireStorm\away | why i am banned in debian.de ? is use this irc network for first time |
| 14:29.15 | Ronin | FireStorm\away: may not be you personally but the ip |
| 14:29.25 | stew | dions: you aren't trying to install k3b from debian but from mepis, go aask #mepis |
| 14:29.30 | Benj_ | Does anybody know if there are major differences between the packages in the powerpc and i386 distibutions ? |
| 14:29.41 | abrotman | sandmanV1: there is a script for disconnect .. you could just make it reconnect :) |
| 14:29.57 | fireba11 | Benj_: probably .. WHY ??? |
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| 14:30.13 | Benj_ | I would like to get tomcat running on a ppc |
| 14:30.25 | abrotman | sandmanV1: there is also 'demand' |
| 14:30.25 | sandmanV1 | abrotman: yeah, i'm trying to avoid that by using options that were meant for this |
| 14:30.33 | sandmanV1 | abrotman: demand? |
| 14:30.37 | fireba11 | Benj_: you will have to use the proper .deb or compile yourself |
| 14:30.45 | abrotman | sandmanV1: and the 'persist' option |
| 14:30.53 | dions | stew, I have changed all my repos to the debian repos except for the mepis crap. All my packages install from debian repos. I asked at mepis and they said since all my repos are for sid debian I should ask here. Thanks anyway for the try. |
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| 14:31.16 | abrotman | sandmanV1: but this i weened from looking at pppd .. not pppoe .. not sure the options are the same |
| 14:32.09 | sandmanV1 | abrotman: i have persist set. even when i was using the westell dsl modem and had auto-reconnect on, i'd get disconnected once every two weeks or so. i'd have to go in to the little html page and click reconnect and everything work... may just have to crontab it... |
| 14:32.26 | Benj_ | yes, but packages.debian.org is down and I would have liked to know if the package was in the ppc distro before moving to debian |
| 14:32.35 | fireba11 | dions: for one sid is unstable anyway .. another point is just changig your preository won't change your distro |
| 14:33.02 | Benj_ | (currently on the target machine we have an opensuse but the deps for tomcat are broken) |
| 14:33.05 | azeem | Benj_: static pages are still up, like http://packages.debian.org/stable/<section>/<package> |
| 14:33.10 | fireba11 | Benj_: the packet search on debian.org is down too ? |
| 14:33.19 | dions | fireball, np will try and find another fix. |
| 14:33.21 | azeem | fireba11: that is packages.debian.org |
| 14:33.30 | fireba11 | azeem: up, didn't know |
| 14:33.56 | Benj_ | Didn't think of the static pages... thanks |
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| 14:37.08 | tull | hello. I am having a problem starting GDM. I get the following error FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device |
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| 14:38.07 | aghaster | where could i suggest a certain package to be added to the debian repository and on the next versions of debian? |
| 14:38.08 | tull | does anyone know what it is? i found on the net that it was a bug. But no solution whatsoever. oh and I was working with it well yesterday. I installed it, customized and today when I turn on the pc it didnt work |
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| 14:38.40 | abrotman | sandmanV1: maybe another error ? |
| 14:38.46 | xored | streuner, : you can kick my a**, but he is using a blanc password. User given in pap-secrets is IDENTICAL with the one in dsl-provider but he is simply not using it |
| 14:38.47 | abrotman | tull: how old is your mahcine ? |
| 14:39.01 | tull | 3 years. |
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| 14:39.24 | abrotman | it may not implement apm .. maybe just acpi |
| 14:39.44 | abrotman | tull: also .. dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 14:40.22 | pabs3 | aghaster: report a bug against the wnpp pseudo-package |
| 14:40.34 | pabs3 | aghaster: which package btw? |
| 14:40.45 | aghaster | i'd like to see nvu and code::blocks added |
| 14:41.04 | abrotman | tull: please go to #ubuntu .. we don't support ubuntu here |
| 14:41.11 | stew | !info nvu |
| 14:41.16 | dpkg | nvu: (Complete Web Authoring System), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8301 kB, Installed size: 25097 kB |
| 14:41.29 | xored | can someone help me with my pppoe configuration. Iam stuck at the authentication |
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| 14:43.46 | tull | abrotman i am using debian |
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| 14:43.52 | abrotman | tull: no you're not |
| 14:43.59 | GNULinux | what means (maybe succesfull) build? |
| 14:44.00 | abrotman | tull: that kernel is NOT in debian |
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| 14:44.22 | abrotman | tull: either that .. or your GDM is seriously messed up |
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| 14:44.24 | tull | abrotman no, I am currently in windows. |
| 14:44.27 | GNULinux | I can't find the package, but build says (maybe successfull) |
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| 14:44.35 | abrotman | tull: you can't irc from linux ? |
| 14:44.44 | azeem | GNULinux: it means the buildd spew out .debs at least |
| 14:44.56 | tull | abrotman yep |
| 14:45.04 | azeem | but sometimes, there are failures which do not lead to aborts, so it is only maybe-successful |
| 14:45.10 | beardy | tull: why? |
| 14:45.15 | stew | tull: no such device means the driver didn't find any appropriate hardware, it thinks your motherboard doesn't support apm |
| 14:45.24 | abrotman | stew: that kernel is from ubuntu |
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| 14:45.29 | GNULinux | azeem: but nobody cares to fix those mistakes, and do a manual build of package? |
| 14:45.30 | azeem | beardy: because GDM exits with a failure |
| 14:45.34 | azeem | GNULinux: ? |
| 14:45.35 | abrotman | stew: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=2.6.8.1&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 14:45.44 | beardy | azeem: What has that got to do with irc? |
| 14:45.45 | abrotman | azeem: that's why he can't irc from linux ? |
| 14:46.02 | GNULinux | azeem: http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=sparc&pkg=micq |
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| 14:46.26 | azeem | hell, I don't like IRCing from the console either |
| 14:46.36 | tull | stew strange because it was working yesterday. |
| 14:46.37 | npx | I like to clickity click the URLs |
| 14:46.50 | npx | none of that copy paste nonsense |
| 14:46.51 | azeem | GNULinux: are you running sparc? |
| 14:46.53 | npx | that's for old koreans |
| 14:47.00 | GNULinux | azeem: yes |
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| 14:47.22 | stew | tull: but oh, if you are having trouble with a ubuntu kernel, you should be asking #ubuntu |
| 14:47.37 | abrotman | tull: uname -a .. show us |
| 14:47.45 | azeem | GNULinux: eh, those builds logs are from 2002 |
| 14:47.54 | azeem | GNULinux: micq has sine been removed from Debian |
| 14:47.56 | tull | abrotman: what is your problem man. I am in windows now. |
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| 14:48.14 | abrotman | tull: ok .. as far as we can tell you're running ubuntu .. you should ask in #ubuntu |
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| 14:48.16 | GNULinux | azeem: oh, why? |
| 14:48.18 | azeem | tull: are you sure you are not running Ubuntu? |
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| 14:48.33 | beardy | tull: The problem is yours. Boot linux, irc from there and do what abrotman said. |
| 14:48.36 | azeem | GNULinux: the upstream maintainer decided to put a Debian-specific backdoor into it I think |
| 14:48.36 | streuner | azeem: he running ubuntu, that kernel isn't in debian |
| 14:48.45 | azeem | streuner: he might have compiled it himself? |
| 14:48.47 | abrotman | or his GDM is really really messed up |
| 14:48.56 | GNULinux | azeem: bastard |
| 14:49.02 | abrotman | azeem: who makes a kernel look like that when they compile it themselves :) |
| 14:49.09 | grumpydog | abrotman, do you ever rest, I see you are still working hard :) |
| 14:49.19 | abrotman | grumpydog: you're here just as much as me ... |
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| 14:49.32 | wizzomafizzo | Is there a cleaner way to disable xdm at boot then just deleting stuff in the rc runlevel folder? |
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| 14:49.43 | grumpydog | abrotman, agreed I think we are both suckers for punishment :) |
| 14:49.43 | ac3 | Hi |
| 14:49.43 | azeem | wizzomafizzo: update-rc.d |
| 14:49.48 | azeem | wizzomafizzo: or apt-get remove |
| 14:49.50 | beardy | !nodm |
| 14:49.50 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 14:49.54 | streuner | (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko, azeem, sound like a selfcompiled kernel? ;-) |
| 14:49.55 | xored | can someone help me with my pppoe configuration. Iam stuck at the authentication can reall nobody help me a bit ? he is just not taking my password :/ |
| 14:50.13 | azeem | streuner: I dunno, wouldn't make-kpkg do something like this? |
| 14:50.14 | streuner | and, of course, 2.6.8 |
| 14:50.22 | wizzomafizzo | Ah, so removing xdm altogether will not affect X? |
| 14:50.38 | wizzomafizzo | Will it be pulled back in at an upgrade? |
| 14:50.40 | beardy | wizzomafizzo: No, it will not. You se startx then instead. |
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| 14:50.48 | bonden | hello. my site is 99% mainly for the members only - so I was thinking if it is possible to just let the public see the first page - where we in the organisation only will change to make some message go public once in a while. at access control I now have "node modul" set so that public can't see anything at the site except from the feedback module - but is there also some kind of "front page module" |
| 14:50.58 | beardy | wizzomafizzo: s/se/use/ |
| 14:51.14 | wizzomafizzo | Ok? |
| 14:51.35 | bonden | shit. sorry, wrong channel. |
| 14:51.40 | izte | is checkinstall removed from testing? |
| 14:51.45 | tull | streuner it comes with Ech |
| 14:51.47 | grumpydog | bonden, you might want to consider setting up and extranet VPN. |
| 14:51.53 | grumpydog | *an |
| 14:51.58 | streuner | tull: you are talking crap |
| 14:52.01 | ac3 | I have installed a template server, and i do dpkg --get-selections "*" > pkg.txt and on a new server: dpkg --set-selections < pkg.txt && apt-get -u dselect-upgrade. This works just fine, but the package database is not exactly the same between the 2 servers. How can this be? |
| 14:52.08 | tull | struener yah you guys too! |
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| 14:52.17 | azeem | tull: please answer my question: Are you not running Ubuntu? |
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| 14:52.44 | tull | struener that kernel comes with "testing" |
| 14:52.50 | beardy | wizzomafizzo: I'm not sure if it will be installed if the package that depends on it is upgraded, it might. |
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| 14:52.55 | tull | azeem no |
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| 14:53.20 | grumpydog | Who was asking about PPPoa before? |
| 14:53.59 | stew | tull: if it came from debian it would only have 2.6.8 as the upstream version not 2.6.8.1, 2.6.8.1-3 happens to be the current ubuntu warty kernel, the current debian stable is 2.6.8-2 and the curren testing is 2.6.12-2 |
| 14:54.02 | wizzomafizzo | Well anyway, provided just plain removing it is safe I'll just do that. |
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| 14:54.46 | tull | stew maybe you dont know enough then |
| 14:55.07 | azeem | problem solved |
| 14:55.14 | stew | s/2.6.12-2/2.6.12-1/ |
| 14:55.32 | ke6isf | Idiots always have to have the last word. |
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| 14:55.47 | abrotman | that kernel does NOT come with etch .. nor has it ever |
| 14:55.48 | dhp | debian-testing on Sparc: when S05keymap runs, it breaks my keyboard (and likely the mouse also btw), how to configure system so that I can let Debian run that script and use the mouse ? |
| 14:55.53 | azeem | abrotman: he left |
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| 14:56.14 | pepe | hola |
| 14:56.19 | ke6isf | !es |
| 14:56.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:56.59 | abrotman | azeem: i know |
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| 14:57.32 | sandmanV1 | abrotman: fyi, i think i've found the solution--not only the persist option but also the maxfails and holdoff options are usable. i discoveered these in /etc/ppp/options and that they are in fact overridden by the options set in /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider. /etc/ppp/options has very good comments for all of the options, so i'll see if those work |
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| 14:57.54 | abrotman | sandmanV1: yes .. maxfail is important :) |
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| 14:58.36 | sandmanV1 | abrotman, it wasn't set in the dsl-provider file. which explains why it was occurring every two weeks or so (because the dsl connection was down for more than 3 retries!). |
| 14:58.47 | sandmanV1 | i set it to 0 and holdoff to 30 |
| 14:58.59 | abrotman | 0 is infinite? |
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| 14:59.33 | sandmanV1 | abrotman, yes |
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| 14:59.39 | abrotman | good |
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| 15:00.11 | sandmanV1 | abrotman, i should not set holdoff, so that my ISP learns from there mistakes by my box pounding them with reconnects! |
| 15:00.13 | sandmanV1 | :) |
| 15:00.28 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:00.31 | sandmanV1 | but i thought i'd be nice.. |
| 15:00.41 | sandmanV1 | thanks for the help |
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| 15:01.15 | sandmanV1 | your mentioning pppd got me looking into the options file |
| 15:01.26 | abrotman | have a great day! |
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| 15:01.53 | grumpydog | sandmanV1, ^^ =D |
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| 15:02.57 | grumpydog | hiya _kaiser_ |
| 15:03.05 | streuner | azzem: 2.6.8-3-foo means, kernel 2.6.8 and latest fixes (-3), so 3 is newer than 2 or 1 |
| 15:03.11 | Dandy4hund | hi |
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| 15:03.58 | streuner | azzem: i doubt that someone who is new to debian are able to made those changes then (2.6.8-3-foo) |
| 15:04.12 | abrotman | streuner: fix your nicktab skills :) |
| 15:04.21 | h | ^ |
| 15:04.39 | streuner | ah, thanks :-) |
| 15:04.48 | _kaiser_ | hello grumpydog |
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| 15:05.17 | azeem | ah, _kaiser_ |
| 15:05.27 | thgjerde | why won't samba write in full stripes? |
| 15:05.29 | _kaiser_ | azeem: you following me? ;-) |
| 15:05.31 | mirak_ | hi, does anyone uses a logitech quickcam pro 5000 with linux ? |
| 15:05.36 | azeem | _kaiser_: you follow *me*! |
| 15:05.47 | beardy | mirak_: ask instead, /msg dpkg ask |
| 15:05.52 | _kaiser_ | azeem: negative! |
| 15:06.01 | mirak_ | beardy: it's that smart ? :) |
| 15:06.04 | fatal__ | !anyone use |
| 15:06.05 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 15:06.50 | _kaiser_ | azeem: do you work on the Hurd/debian? |
| 15:06.58 | azeem | yes |
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| 15:07.13 | _kaiser_ | azeem: what do you work on in particular? |
| 15:07.23 | grumpydog | dpkg, is probably one of the most intelligent info bots I have seen, someone put a lot of time into that. |
| 15:07.39 | _kaiser_ | azeem: any suggestions of work for debian/Hurd that may be useful for my class project? ;-) |
| 15:07.39 | azeem | _kaiser_: well, most of it currently, there are not many others doing it right now :-/ |
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| 15:07.57 | azeem | _kaiser_: heh, but that isn't low-level stuff! |
| 15:08.06 | azeem | _kaiser_: you could fix TLS in glibc if you want :) |
| 15:08.18 | _kaiser_ | azeem: yah, but if it is interesting, then I may do it :-P |
| 15:08.20 | beardy | grumpydog: Intelligence has nothing to do with it. An encyclopedia is not intelligent. |
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| 15:08.40 | dhp | I had set up gpm to use /dev/sunmouse, and after upgrade to testing, that device file does not exist any more. gpm seems not to like input/mice :S any clue how to fix ? |
| 15:09.03 | azeem | _kaiser_: http://alioth.debian.org/pm/task.php?group_project_id=35&group_id=30628&func=browse also has a list of taks useful to (Debian) GNU/Hurd, though most are probably pretty easy for seasoned programmers |
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| 15:09.13 | abrotman | dhp: might be /dev/input/mice ? |
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| 15:09.25 | _kaiser_ | azeem: cool, I will check that out. It may be a great place for me to start. :-) |
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| 15:09.30 | grumpydog | beardy, data input is important --man pages. it takes someone with patience to data input. |
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| 15:09.57 | __g0r8y__ | Hi there, im looking for an FTP server with a super freindly web front end, any one have any sujestions? |
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| 15:10.24 | weissi | __g0r8y__: an ftp server with web frontend??? |
| 15:10.28 | beardy | dhp: A /dev/sunmouse is something special, not serial or ps2? |
| 15:10.30 | weissi | s/ana/g |
| 15:10.32 | abrotman | you're just begging to be hacked :) |
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| 15:10.42 | dhp | abrotman: I can cat it and get garbage, but gpm does not like it. |
| 15:10.44 | abrotman | beardy: it's a bizarre protocol iirc |
| 15:11.04 | __g0r8y__ | well, I have wuftp with webmin-wuftp, but its too clunkey for our in house account managers to use |
| 15:11.17 | __g0r8y__ | need something more user friendly |
| 15:11.19 | beardy | grumpydog: Ehm, yes. What I said still goes though. |
| 15:11.27 | grumpydog | __g0r8y__, vsftp might be better for you |
| 15:11.28 | dhp | beardy: sunmouse is what used to work this morning. It was what was apropriate for my sparc until upgrade to testing. |
| 15:11.43 | abrotman | __g0r8y__: are you serious? .. that's freaking horrible |
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| 15:12.04 | grumpydog | abrotman, I was going to say the same but you got there first. |
| 15:12.09 | __g0r8y__ | abrotman: why? |
| 15:12.21 | __g0r8y__ | I forgot to say i cant use http... |
| 15:12.30 | abrotman | __g0r8y__: ftp is not complicated to begin with .. and then your admins can't figure out the short-bus interface? |
| 15:12.44 | __g0r8y__ | there not admins... |
| 15:12.44 | beardy | dhp: Ok. And some mess-with-my-devices-automagically thing got installed? |
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| 15:12.48 | awwa | how do i create a md5 password? |
| 15:12.51 | __g0r8y__ | they are sales people |
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| 15:12.55 | __g0r8y__ | :) |
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| 15:13.03 | abrotman | then they shouldn't be adminning an ftp server |
| 15:13.16 | weissi | awwa: what exactly do you mean by md5 passwd? |
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| 15:13.22 | abrotman | __g0r8y__: maybe write something custom that's superduper insecure! :) |
| 15:13.22 | fatal__ | awwa: mkpasswd |
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| 15:13.34 | __g0r8y__ | .... Well i thought that they could have there own area and chroot accounts... |
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| 15:13.56 | dhp | beardy: not sure ... never had such a mess on x86, just added linux-2.6 and udev in short. |
| 15:14.13 | beardy | dhp: udev was what I meant by that :) |
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| 15:14.50 | __g0r8y__ | grumpydog: vsftp looks good, thx |
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| 15:15.16 | grumpydog | __g0r8y__, should save you headaches np sir :) |
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| 15:15.38 | dhp | beardy: did you read my question about S05keymap.sh ? it may be related if bad driver is loaded ... |
| 15:15.47 | beardy | dhp: Well, the mousedevice should still be somewhere.. Is it connected to a serialport on the box, or something else? If sunmouse only is a protocol I mean? |
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| 15:16.09 | abrotman | where'd jim go? |
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| 15:16.26 | Dewi | oh my god |
| 15:16.28 | abrotman | oh .. he just doesn't join here anymore |
| 15:16.29 | Dewi | it's full of underscores |
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| 15:17.00 | beardy | dhp: No, how long ago was that? |
| 15:17.20 | dhp | beardy: the mouse is now detected as /dev/psaux ; a Sun mouse is ALWAYS connected to the keyboard, using proprietary plug ... no ps2, no serial, no // . |
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| 15:17.28 | abrotman | __g0r8y__: it's anonymous .. |
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| 15:17.40 | Althaser | noon |
| 15:17.42 | Eulex | __g0r8y__, ftp is secure as long as it's 100% anonymous and you can' |
| 15:17.45 | abrotman | __g0r8y__: the point being that ftp has no encryption by default .. |
| 15:17.47 | beardy | dhp: Ah, ok. Try to use gpm with /dev/psaux then? |
| 15:17.48 | grumpydog | does it have a splitter |
| 15:17.48 | Eulex | t log in as any user. |
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| 15:18.16 | dhp | beardy: fails |
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| 15:18.40 | grumpydog | dhp is it on a slipper kbd/ps2? |
| 15:18.40 | dhp | exactly 11 minutes ago |
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| 15:18.51 | grumpydog | damn I mean splitter |
| 15:18.54 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 15:18.54 | dpkg | hmm... sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 15:19.00 | beardy | dhp: Can you select sunmouse as the protocol? Check gpm:s docs. |
| 15:19.04 | __g0r8y__ | this is just to share things like .ppt's It doesnt even need to be on our lan |
| 15:19.11 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | hi...can anyone help me with instaling debian? |
| 15:19.18 | abrotman | __g0r8y__: then why do you can if it's ftp ? |
| 15:19.28 | abrotman | dArKsIdE_AnGeL: need more details |
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| 15:19.33 | dhp | grumpydog: what do u call 'slipper' ? I plug my mouse under the kbd, in the middle, with a 'ps2 like' plug which have in fact different pinout |
| 15:19.35 | __g0r8y__ | abrotman: sorry? |
| 15:19.40 | Dewi | __g0r8y__: what's wrong with samba? |
| 15:19.43 | beardy | dhp: Asking in #debian-sparc is a good idea too, as abrotman pointed out. |
| 15:19.43 | dhp | beardy: I did try that |
| 15:19.45 | abrotman | __g0r8y__: why not just use a webserver .. http ? |
| 15:19.55 | grumpydog | dhp yes appears you have a port splitter |
| 15:20.09 | tiny | Can default names for ppp interfaces (ppp0,ppp1,ppp2) be manipulated somehow? |
| 15:20.32 | stew | ip linx set ppp0 name newname |
| 15:20.36 | stew | err |
| 15:20.36 | abrotman | __g0r8y__: or https .. or use http auth .. crap like that |
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| 15:20.45 | stew | tiny ip link set ppp0 name newname |
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| 15:20.55 | __g0r8y__ | beacuse the operations team in Germany wont let me... |
| 15:20.56 | stew | tiny: or look to see if ifrename can work with ppp0 |
| 15:20.58 | __g0r8y__ | lol |
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| 15:21.12 | tiny | stew: :) thanx stew |
| 15:21.20 | __g0r8y__ | politics, thats all |
| 15:21.25 | grumpydog | stew might be PPPoa or PPPoE |
| 15:21.38 | grumpydog | ah well it worked for him |
| 15:21.40 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | so abrotman, can u help? |
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| 15:21.44 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:21.44 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:21.49 | abrotman | if you keep talking like that .. no |
| 15:21.51 | dhp | tiny: ifrename (no clue which package ) |
| 15:22.05 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | i wrote u in private |
| 15:22.11 | abrotman | no |
| 15:22.11 | xerophyte | i am trying to move file as root i am getting mv aquota.user back.aquota.user mv: cannot move `aquota.user' to `back.aquota.user': Operation not permitted .. does anybody know why ?? |
| 15:22.15 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | public? |
| 15:22.18 | Eulex | !topicsmite dArKsIdE_AnGeL |
| 15:22.19 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dArKsIdE_AnGeL. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 15:22.20 | abrotman | stop talking like a moron and i might be able to help |
| 15:22.30 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | moron? |
| 15:22.33 | wizzomafizzo | How do I disable the system beep? |
| 15:22.34 | grumpydog | xerophyte, sudo then cp |
| 15:22.35 | abrotman | dArKsIdE_AnGeL: we need more details |
| 15:22.37 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | whats a moron? |
| 15:22.39 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | okay... |
| 15:22.40 | abrotman | !hu |
| 15:22.40 | dpkg | i guess hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 15:22.44 | xerophyte | grumpydog, i am root |
| 15:22.52 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | so when i start installing it searching for cd-rom drives |
| 15:22.58 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | then it reaches 81 percent |
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| 15:23.04 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | then it stopes like blue dead |
| 15:23.16 | grumpydog | xerophyte, can you might need to chmod the file |
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| 15:23.51 | xerophyte | grumpydog, -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 40960 Jan 18 09:20 aquota.user* |
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| 15:24.21 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | so? |
| 15:24.23 | grumpydog | xerophyte, maybe chmod the file before you can copy read write access. |
| 15:24.32 | xerophyte | grumpydog, ??? |
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| 15:24.59 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | abrotman? |
| 15:25.16 | abrotman | did you try both kernels ? |
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| 15:25.34 | tiny | A lot of packages that I install lately cannot be verified. Should I be wooried? |
| 15:25.41 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | i just downloaded the iso file and burnt it |
| 15:25.46 | grumpydog | xerophyte, chmod <foofile> 777 then try and copy it. |
| 15:25.49 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | then i boot from the drive |
| 15:25.57 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | thats all i did |
| 15:25.57 | Eulex | !tell tiny about apt-secure |
| 15:26.06 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | it didnt ask for any kernel |
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| 15:26.15 | abrotman | whihc iso .. |
| 15:26.19 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | moment |
| 15:26.29 | xerophyte | grumpydog, chmod 777 aquota.user |
| 15:26.29 | xerophyte | chmod: changing permissions of `aquota.user': Operation not permitted |
| 15:26.39 | abrotman | 2006 key might be a better factoid |
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| 15:26.49 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 15:27.10 | abrotman | dArKsIdE_AnGeL: try typing 'linux26' when you're at the installer prompt |
| 15:27.13 | grumpydog | xerophyte, sorry I am stumped, that should work. |
| 15:27.26 | grumpydog | Let me pull up a manual. |
| 15:27.28 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | but there is no installer prompt |
| 15:27.44 | Eulex | dArKsIdE_AnGeL, there is. the one you get to right after booting the cd. |
| 15:27.48 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | it just starts runnig when booting from the cd |
| 15:27.57 | abrotman | yes there is |
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| 15:28.04 | Dedo | excess_flood hi |
| 15:28.11 | dimir | the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for dArKsIdE_AnGeL is 99.850% |
| 15:28.16 | dimir | not good! |
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| 15:28.23 | Dedo | hiii |
| 15:28.27 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | what? |
| 15:28.31 | Dedo | hi |
| 15:28.33 | wizzomafizzo | Hahaha. |
| 15:28.34 | dimir | !nickometer dArKsIdE_AnGeL |
| 15:28.35 | dpkg | 'dArKsIdE_AnGeL' is 99.850% lame, dimir |
| 15:28.42 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | what is that? |
| 15:28.52 | dimir | The lame nickometer. |
| 15:28.57 | Dedo | whoo |
| 15:28.58 | grumpydog | xerophyte, I cannot see why you are being denied to copy data over. |
| 15:29.04 | dArKsIdE_AnGeL | ok, ai am not english |
| 15:29.17 | wizzomafizzo | !nickometer dimir |
| 15:29.17 | R_engel | !nickometer R_engel |
| 15:29.18 | abrotman | dArKsIdE_AnGeL: linux26 |
| 15:29.19 | dpkg | 'dimir' is 0.000% lame, wizzomafizzo |
| 15:29.19 | dpkg | 'R_engel' is 15.000% lame, r_engel |
| 15:29.20 | abrotman | !ig |
| 15:29.20 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 15:29.20 | beardy | dArKsIdE_AnGeL: No, it waits for you to press Enter, or give it some boot parameters. Type "linux26" and hit Enter. Read the help given if you press F1 - F7. |
| 15:29.23 | Dedo | ý'm not :( |
| 15:29.27 | beardy | !tell dArKsIdE_AnGeL -about ig |
| 15:29.32 | wizzomafizzo | !nickometer wizzomafizzo |
| 15:29.34 | Dedo | do you speak english |
| 15:29.34 | dpkg | 'wizzomafizzo' is 0.000% lame, wizzomafizzo |
| 15:29.38 | Dedo | sorry |
| 15:29.41 | wizzomafizzo | yay |
| 15:29.41 | Dedo | sorry |
| 15:29.47 | azeem | Dedo: do you have a Debian question? |
| 15:29.48 | dimir | wizzomafizzo: \o/ |
| 15:29.50 | Dedo | do you speak turkish |
| 15:29.52 | wizzomafizzo | :D |
| 15:30.04 | azeem | !tr |
| 15:30.04 | dpkg | i heard tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 15:30.05 | Dedo | hýmm |
| 15:30.05 | wizzomafizzo | We obviouslt rock out loud. |
| 15:30.14 | dimir | ;-) |
| 15:30.16 | grumpydog | xerophyte, are you sudo or actually root.? |
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| 15:30.16 | wizzomafizzo | Minus the spelling errors. |
| 15:30.17 | azeem | Dedo: #debian.tr speaks turkish |
| 15:30.20 | wizzomafizzo | >_> |
| 15:30.21 | Dedo | #debian.tr |
| 15:30.27 | azeem | Dedo: /join #debian.tr |
| 15:30.29 | dimir | wizzomafizzo: :-) |
| 15:30.36 | wizzomafizzo | Smoooooth. |
| 15:30.40 | Dedo | selam millet |
| 15:30.55 | Dedo | nooldu amk hala bisey yok bu verdiginiz neydi |
| 15:31.04 | abrotman | Dedo: /join #debian.tr |
| 15:31.05 | ke6isf | Dedo: We don't speak Turkish here, sorry. |
| 15:31.06 | azeem | Dedo: #debian.tr is a channel like this one (#debian) |
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| 15:31.13 | xerophyte | grumpydog, i am root ;) |
| 15:31.15 | abrotman | where's tarzeau! |
| 15:31.17 | Dedo | oldumu |
| 15:31.25 | azeem | Dedo: join that channel with your IRC program |
| 15:31.37 | Dedo | yaw türkçe bilen yokmu |
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| 15:31.45 | wizzomafizzo | Seems pointless to tell him this stuff IN ENGLISH. |
| 15:31.47 | ke6isf | oy... |
| 15:31.52 | ke6isf | !tell Dedo -about tr |
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| 15:32.09 | ke6isf | If that don't help... |
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| 15:32.41 | stew | its too bad that ops don't have a way to shove him along in the direction he needs to go |
| 15:32.43 | grumpydog | xerophyte, reboot as root please do not irc as root and then try again. If it does not work please come back, I am looking through my documentation here but am having trouble. |
| 15:32.46 | aghaster | anyone using nvu? |
| 15:32.53 | Eulex | !anyone |
| 15:32.53 | aghaster | when i try to run it it segfaults :* |
| 15:32.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 15:33.00 | wizzomafizzo | What would work is if we all spammed #debian.tr repeatedly. |
| 15:33.01 | Dedo | what is deat |
| 15:33.05 | Eulex | aghaster, checked the bts? |
| 15:33.05 | abrotman | aghaster: checkt eh bts |
| 15:33.13 | Dedo | #debian.tr |
| 15:33.14 | aghaster | bts? |
| 15:33.19 | ke6isf | !btssmite aghaster |
| 15:33.25 | Dedo | where are you from |
| 15:33.28 | azeem | Dedo: write "/join #debian.tr" |
| 15:33.31 | Ronin | Dedo: /join #debian.tr |
| 15:33.35 | aghaster | lol, i'm running stable |
| 15:33.42 | abrotman | aghaster: nvu isn't in sarge |
| 15:33.43 | aghaster | but nvu doesnt come from repository |
| 15:33.45 | ke6isf | aghaster: Then we can omit the chainsaw then. =^_^= |
| 15:33.46 | aghaster | yeah |
| 15:34.00 | Dedo | YOU IS DEAD |
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| 15:34.08 | aghaster | uh? |
| 15:34.09 | abrotman | Dedo: in your irc window .. type "/join #debian.tr" |
| 15:34.12 | ke6isf | !ops dedo |
| 15:34.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: dedo |
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| 15:34.16 | Eulex | note that it says "if $NICK is running Unstable" |
| 15:34.23 | plazm^ | why is there only "automatic partition my harddisk" and no "i want to partition it myself" on the etch installer ?. |
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| 15:34.29 | abrotman | never mind .. he got to #debian.tr |
| 15:34.36 | aghaster | lol |
| 15:34.37 | aghaster | ok |
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| 15:34.51 | Eulex | !nvu |
| 15:34.51 | dpkg | it has been said that nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com with packages in Sarge and newer for most archs. |
| 15:34.51 | Ronin | im curious we we are dead though heh |
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| 15:35.05 | ke6isf | Ronin: No, we *is* dead. |
| 15:35.17 | Ronin | ke6isf: heh |
| 15:35.37 | double_c | "In the long run, we're all dead' - Keynes (I think) |
| 15:36.09 | ke6isf | Time to go to work. |
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| 15:36.27 | Eulex | yeah, the death rate of those exposed to life is 100%. |
| 15:36.35 | plazm^ | noone ? |
| 15:37.04 | Eulex | plazm^, what more option would you expect? |
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| 15:37.24 | plazm^ | Eulex, theres no way to partion it myself |
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| 15:37.35 | plazm^ | i would expect that |
| 15:37.46 | FalscherHase | hi, OT: does anyone have experience with the it governance standard cobit and can point me to a critical experience report or a discussion thereof? |
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| 15:38.10 | Eulex | plazm, ah, I read you wrong. there is a way to do that, though it was long since I used the debian installer. |
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| 15:38.24 | abrotman | FalscherHase: /dev/null ? |
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| 15:38.45 | abrotman | FalscherHase: wait .. 42! |
| 15:38.56 | FalscherHase | abrotman: :) |
| 15:39.06 | stouset | abrotman: 42 is a lie. The terrible secret of space is that the answer to the Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything is not actually 42. |
| 15:39.17 | abrotman | stouset: joke .. damn you |
| 15:39.23 | abrotman | FalscherHase: #math ? |
| 15:39.27 | tiny | ahaha ... check out this log I just received while trying to connect one machine with ppp script ... (diregard dates) http://rafb.net/paste/results/1ygRqw12.html |
| 15:39.34 | Eulex | plazm, ah, etch installer. that one is beta. you should use it. I know for sure that the sarge installer has it. |
| 15:39.34 | stouset | abrotman: It only looks like 42 due to a very slight rounding error. It's actually an irrational number starting 42.000000000000000000000000001479001276 |
| 15:39.38 | abrotman | i can't even parse his question .. it's either math or japanese |
| 15:39.42 | grumpydog | xerophyte, chmmod [options] mode files Change the access mode (persmissions of one or more files. Only the owner of a file or a privileged user may change it's mode. Mode can be numeric or an expression in the form of who opcode permissio. Who is optional (If ommited, as default a); choose only one opcode. Multiple modes maybe specified, separated commas. <---- O'reilly linux in a nutshell. |
| 15:40.06 | tiny | How in the hell that came into chat logs ??? |
| 15:41.21 | plazm | Eulex |
| 15:41.32 | grumpydog | tiny just helping xerophyte and quoting what the book says. |
| 15:41.40 | plazm | but the automatic thingy doesnt find my scsidiscs |
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| 15:41.47 | Eulex | plazm, umh, s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 15:41.56 | Eulex | plazm, go try the sarge installer. |
| 15:42.20 | plazm | ARGH. Eulex, PLZ tell me that the sarge installer aint 6xx mb |
| 15:42.33 | stew | plazm: /msg dpkg netinst |
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| 15:42.54 | tiny | grumpydog: ?? |
| 15:42.55 | pipeline | plazm: the net inst, despite its name, doesn't require the net to install. |
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| 15:43.05 | pipeline | plazm: The "netinstall" disc contains the most minimal base system. :P |
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| 15:43.07 | Eulex | plazm, ah? |
| 15:43.14 | Eulex | *eh |
| 15:43.20 | plazm | i meant the cd |
| 15:43.21 | grumpydog | tiny forget what I said |
| 15:43.30 | plazm | used bout 2 hours downloading etch :( |
| 15:43.40 | Eulex | plazm, it's ~140mb. |
| 15:43.42 | tiny | Does anyone have an idea about how can this be in /var/log/messages? http://rafb.net/paste/results/1ygRqw12.html |
| 15:43.56 | stouset | tiny: Clearly, Microsoft has identified a virus on your system. |
| 15:43.57 | grumpydog | tiny yes, IDS |
| 15:44.13 | stouset | tiny: Do what it requests, and reinstall Window.s |
| 15:44.15 | Eulex | plazm, then it downloads everything you tell it too download and installs it. |
| 15:44.16 | stew | tiny: you are connecting to a sick computer |
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| 15:44.49 | stew | tiny: you should notify the admin of whatever computer you are connecting to with ppp that that their computer is broken |
| 15:45.00 | inetd_ | tiny: its most likely a banner from the box you connecting to |
| 15:45.12 | tiny | ahaha ... my eyeballs went out when I saw that |
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| 15:45.38 | tiny | I connected for 100 times today already .. this was the first time |
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| 15:46.46 | grumpydog | make sure ther is no attempt to install rootkit |
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| 15:47.11 | spiral | hello |
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| 15:47.44 | grumpydog | Sorry speaking to my Daughter-in-Law brb |
| 15:47.49 | doublehp_ | I have a 3 cpu system; how to check my smp kernel is efficient (in the way to afford tasks to each cpus), and is not in 'practice' a mono cpu kernel ? |
| 15:48.24 | jbroome | HTF do you have 3 cpus? |
| 15:48.43 | doublehp_ | jbroome: the box was given with 3 ... |
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| 15:48.47 | tiny | stouset: hehe ... but there's no windows around here :) |
| 15:48.49 | wam | doublehp_: call "top" and press "1" inside. |
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| 15:48.55 | Eulex | doublehp_, cat /proc/cpuinfo to check if the kernel detects your cpu's. |
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| 15:49.06 | fireba11 | jbroome: 4-CPU board with only 3 put in .. stupid but might exist |
| 15:49.09 | jbroome | odd, i thought they had to run in pairs |
| 15:49.13 | jbroome | fireba11: gotcha |
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| 15:49.25 | jbroome | (for smp) |
| 15:49.26 | doublehp_ | wam: wonderfull - hope I can remember that :) |
| 15:49.38 | grumpydog | nah I have a rack with 4 xeons in it |
| 15:49.40 | wam | doublehp_: "man" remembers ;) |
| 15:49.46 | grumpydog | huge board |
| 15:49.47 | doublehp_ | Eulex: problem is that mono CPU kernels do detect all 3 of them ... |
| 15:50.10 | doublehp_ | Eulex: at least in /proc/cpuinfo outputs |
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| 15:50.29 | Eulex | doublehp_, nevermind me then :) |
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| 15:52.30 | doublehp_ | Eulex: maybe it could differ on x86, but alpha systems are really funny :) |
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| 15:53.16 | Eulex | doublehp_, hmm, ok. |
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| 15:54.23 | yann_ | how to get files & repertories ownership from windows to debian? |
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| 15:54.49 | yann_ | i backuped on windows with tar.exe |
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| 15:55.09 | yann_ | the ownership is backuped as well |
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| 15:55.39 | yann_ | but while restauring, i get "Cannot change ownership to uid 2111, gid 0: Operation not permitted" |
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| 15:55.45 | dhp | yann_: do you want zip ? ACL ? ADS ? |
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| 15:56.11 | Atula | hi. If I have a team of developers working in different parts of the world on one software. Now, they want to know who's working on which bug. Is there a way to have a "share database" sort on bug report? |
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| 15:56.17 | awwa_ | i keep getting "creating lame upcase table" with samba, anyone know why? |
| 15:56.21 | yann_ | dhp, transfering files from windows to linux+samba |
| 15:56.22 | krummie | 3 cpu's? |
| 15:56.29 | dhp | yann_: ownership is not managed the same way between NTFS and EXT ... no known way to export |
| 15:56.42 | dhp | krummie: why not ? |
| 15:56.50 | BlueBeret | using Synaptic Package Manager, it has recently started to call every package 'NOT AUTHENTICATED' - what's wrong? |
| 15:56.57 | Eulex | Atula, bugzillas support assigning a bug to a developer. |
| 15:57.00 | krummie | don't you need equal amount of cpu's for smp? |
| 15:57.08 | Eulex | !tell BlueBeret about 2006 key |
| 15:57.17 | krummie | or a 3 cpu cluster? |
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| 15:57.27 | krummie | I didn't get it that's why |
| 15:57.29 | grumpydog | krumie they are like ram on blade servers they need dual. |
| 15:57.40 | knt | is resizing possible on ramfs? |
| 15:57.41 | yann_ | dhp, any possibility to store ownership in a file on windows? |
| 15:57.46 | dhp | wam: Eulex ah ... non MSP kernel: still '3' in proc/cpuinfo, but only one entry in top 1 |
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| 15:58.02 | yann_ | then with a script, i could restore them |
| 15:58.02 | krummie | [16:47:46] <doublehp_> I have a 3 cpu system; how to check my smp kernel is efficient (in the way to afford tasks to each cpus), and is not in 'practice' a mono cpu kernel ? <-- that's why I asked |
| 15:58.03 | harm1988 | Can someone please help me with the PHP4 module for apache2 debian |
| 15:58.06 | yann_ | on linux |
| 15:58.11 | harm1988 | ? |
| 15:58.12 | Eulex | dhp, ok. I was wrong then. |
| 15:58.27 | dhp | krummie: computer have been working 8 years with 3, and they still cost over 250 euro, so I am not to buy a new cpu |
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| 15:58.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: here? |
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| 15:58.40 | Eulex | yann_, well, is there any user with uid 2111 on the current system? |
| 15:58.46 | dhp | krummie: 3 EV56 Alpha system |
| 15:58.51 | krummie | dhp you have a quad box? |
| 15:58.53 | krummie | aha alpha |
| 15:58.59 | grumpydog | krummie, they do not work otherwise, like on my rack if I put in a 512mb chip I have to put another in the otherside of the board to make it work. |
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| 15:59.18 | dhp | yann_: I do not understand your qustions ... |
| 15:59.23 | DamageHeart | hello people, does anyone know any program for playing video??? |
| 15:59.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: nm |
| 15:59.40 | Atula | Eulex: that's what I was thinking... are there no alternatives? |
| 15:59.42 | Eulex | yann_, uid 2111 and gid 0 means that the file will be owned by the user with the uid 2111 and by the root group. |
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| 15:59.44 | DamageHeart | i use xine, but...i have little problems with xine... |
| 15:59.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: sorry to disturb |
| 15:59.48 | Ronin | DamageHeart: take your pick, totem, xine, mplayer |
| 15:59.50 | Laibsch | I did a "$ apt-get source gnucash;dpkg-source -x gnucash_1.8.10-19.dsc ;cd gnucash-1.8.10/;dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot;cd -" and everything was fine. Then I added an --enable-hbci to the configure line in gnucash-1.8.10/debian/rules as suggested in http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.apps.gnucash.user/16013 and issued a "cd gnucash-1.8.10/;dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot;cd -" and the compilation failed with http://rafb.net/paste/resul |
| 15:59.50 | BlueBeret | DamageHeart: xine-ui, vlc, Mplayer |
| 16:00.02 | Eulex | Atula, sorry, no |
| 16:00.09 | DamageHeart | Ronin, thank you |
| 16:00.12 | DamageHeart | BlueBeret, thank you |
| 16:00.14 | grumpydog | corr blimey you could have googled first. |
| 16:00.15 | dhp | Eulex: try '42' :) |
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| 16:00.47 | Eulex | !42 |
| 16:00.48 | dpkg | [42] the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 16:00.51 | dhp | krummie: better: Mylex DAC960 on AS4100 ! not sure any thing can be more complex to upgrade (apart non free systems ) |
| 16:00.52 | grumpydog | auk hiya scott |
| 16:01.04 | yann_ | Eulex, well, that would be ok, then i just need to match uid between W$ and linux |
| 16:01.09 | stew | Laibsch: your last message was truncated, and the rafb.net url didn't come through |
| 16:01.13 | krummie | heheh |
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| 16:01.57 | yann_ | Eulex, # getent passwd |grep 2111 |
| 16:01.58 | yann_ | Administrateur:x:2111:513:Netbios Domain Administrator:/data/home/Administrateur:/bin/bash |
| 16:02.02 | Laibsch | I did a "$ apt-get source gnucash;dpkg-source -x gnucash_1.8.10-19.dsc ;cd gnucash-1.8.10/;dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot;cd -" and everything was fine. Then I added an --enable-hbci to the configure line in gnucash-1.8.10/debian/rules as suggested in |
| 16:02.02 | grumpydog | omg now satellite |
| 16:02.02 | Laibsch | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.apps.gnucash.user/16013 and issued a "cd gnucash-1.8.10/;dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot;cd -" and the compilation failed with http://rafb.net/paste/results/g8UIWy89.html Why? |
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| 16:02.16 | Laibsch | stew: better now? I can see things here fine. |
| 16:02.35 | user__ | hi |
| 16:02.48 | user__ | im looking for a decent html editor |
| 16:02.51 | user__ | give me a shoot |
| 16:02.57 | grumpydog | user__, hi there Polish user :) |
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| 16:03.02 | yann_ | dhp, how to do the equivalent of ls -lR * on windows? |
| 16:03.03 | Laibsch | user__: bluefish |
| 16:03.09 | stew | Laibsch: dunno, maybe try "debian/rules clean" then dpkg-buildpackage again |
| 16:03.11 | user__ | grumpydog, hello |
| 16:03.16 | secher | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.26 | Laibsch | stew: OK, I'll try. |
| 16:03.34 | Eulex | yann_, ok. you may have to be root to be able to set the right uid and gid on the file. anyway, gotta go. |
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| 16:03.40 | user__ | anyting except quanta, and bluefish? :) |
| 16:03.49 | yann_ | Eulex, i am root |
| 16:03.56 | grumpydog | user__, as Laibsch said :) |
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| 16:04.40 | user__ | okay i'll install bluefish |
| 16:04.42 | jeld | hello all |
| 16:04.50 | dhp | yann_: dir |
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| 16:05.09 | dhp | yann_: did you read the topic ? |
| 16:05.20 | jeld | what is the right way to properly set DNS domain name on a Debian system? |
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| 16:05.35 | grumpydog | jelp bind.conf |
| 16:05.48 | yann_ | dhp, i know the topic, i am trying to switch from w$ to linux |
| 16:06.07 | jeld | grumpydog, you sure? what package that belongs to? |
| 16:06.11 | grumpydog | jeld bind.conf |
| 16:06.54 | relic | !troll |
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| 16:06.54 | dpkg | i heard troll is http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html, or "one who is gaming the social dynamics of the list in order to warm his miniscule soul at the flames, not one who believes himself to be debating a point of significance (however ham-handedly)." (Michael K. Edwards) |
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| 16:07.00 | grumpydog | jeld sure do you want to read the DNS and bind docs and howto? |
| 16:07.03 | secher | ahah.. living people. I just installed Sun's jre. I"m running Debian unstable, and I need to know which libjavaplugin_oji.so I should use, the one in the ns7 dir or the one in the ns7gcc3 dir? |
| 16:07.22 | secher | OH, in firefox... |
| 16:07.27 | grumpydog | secher, 1.6 sun.java |
| 16:07.45 | jeld | grumpydog, I am not running bind, just need to set the domain name to get the right fdqn. I think I got it, seems that network/options and/or sysctl is the way |
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| 16:08.18 | auk | grumpydog, hi |
| 16:08.37 | grumpydog | jeld, http://ericboutin.blogspot.com/2005/03/really-quick-dns-howto.html |
| 16:08.55 | grumpydog | that wll be quick you need rdns as well |
| 16:09.40 | Laibsch | stew: Unfortunately, that did not help. I "rm -Rf"'ed the whole gnush-dir, then dpkg-source -x, made the change in debian/rules and compiled. Same error as before. |
| 16:09.42 | grumpydog | That is for debian |
| 16:09.50 | zenwryly | what's the equivalent of base-config for unstable? |
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| 16:10.35 | stew | zenwryly: nothing, its being removed entirely |
| 16:10.38 | jeld | grumpydog, I am not planning to run a DNS server |
| 16:10.40 | secher | grumpydog: I got the jre already, and made the symlink from ////ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugins_oji.so, and I still don't have the ability to exec code in firefox, so I'm wondering if there's somethign I'm missing, or if I should use the .so for gcc 2.9. again, I"m running unstable. |
| 16:10.55 | jeld | grumpydog, so I don't need to install bind |
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| 16:11.04 | stew | Laibsch: dunno then, you'll have to figure out what in the patch is making it not buildable |
| 16:11.09 | zenwryly | stew: how would I accomplish the same set of configuratuions? |
| 16:11.17 | grumpydog | wow wow guys can only help a few of you as a time. |
| 16:11.44 | grumpydog | secher, you need to create a symlink to your firefox dir |
| 16:11.48 | stew | zenwryly: it will all be done by the installer before the reboot |
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| 16:11.50 | stew | zenwryly: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerRemoveBaseConfig |
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| 16:12.31 | grumpydog | jeld you will need bind really if you want rdns |
| 16:12.34 | zenwryly | stew: I'm using the testing installer ISO to do a debootstrap installation of unstable |
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| 16:13.02 | grumpydog | jeld you need a ataic ip as well not some dynDNS |
| 16:13.16 | grumpydog | static |
| 16:13.18 | stew | zenwryly: check the bts for debootstrap, you'll likely need to use sid's debootstrap |
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| 16:13.45 | zenwryly | stew: bts? |
| 16:13.56 | stew | zenwryly: /msg dpkg btssmite me |
| 16:13.56 | grumpydog | secher, are you ok now? |
| 16:14.02 | ejofee | this may be some sort of a weird question, but is there any app which ensures a maximum sound volume per account? |
| 16:14.11 | zenwryly | stew: thanks |
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| 16:14.26 | ejofee | some users of my computer tend to disturb my neighbors with their music. |
| 16:14.36 | grumpydog | ejofee, actually good Question. |
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| 16:15.50 | secher | grumpydog: I've got ~/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so linked to both /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so and to ~/.mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so. I"ve restarted firefox already. still tells me I need the plugin for java. |
| 16:16.04 | Vegar | is it possible to reassign IRQs? (I want libata to have its own IRQ) |
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| 16:16.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: np |
| 16:16.27 | stew | secher: how do you link one file to more than one file? have you read "/msg dpkg java-package" ? |
| 16:16.29 | relic | ejofee, a wireless boardcast (music over router)? |
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| 16:17.00 | ejofee | relic: how can this influence volume? |
| 16:17.02 | secher | stew: Yes, and installed it as well.. to no avail. |
| 16:17.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: your lag sucks :) |
| 16:17.23 | stew | secher: what was the problem with java-pacakge? |
| 16:17.44 | ejofee | relic, grumpydog: or maybe is there any way to forbid (only in some accounts) access to any system sound mixer? |
| 16:18.08 | grumpydog | secher, ok that should not happen you have the path wrong I just do this blind but try /usr/sbin/local/mozilla or justmake sure you are sudo for tar zxvf <file> |
| 16:18.22 | jeld | grumpydog, I don't need rdns and I assign my own IPs |
| 16:18.41 | ejofee | relic, grumpydog: (without this affecting sound access for their other apps) |
| 16:18.43 | relic | ejofee, luke, ask to the FORCE yourself |
| 16:18.50 | Kerr | !tor |
| 16:18.51 | dpkg | somebody said tor was a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
| 16:18.57 | Kerr | O.o |
| 16:19.02 | stew | ejofee: you can controll access to the mixer by limiting permissions to /dev/mixer and /dev/snd/control* |
| 16:19.22 | Kerr | i guess it makes sense that the freedom ro eemanin anonymous isn't free. |
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| 16:20.10 | grumpydog | stew are you dumb and did not read the question properly, he said from his neighbours computer. |
| 16:20.12 | ejofee | stew: so when i forbid access to the system sound mixer, they can use sound but (1) can't change volume at all or (2) can change volume application-level, but can't change general volume. which one is correct? |
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| 16:20.26 | relic | ejofee, your "lame' radio is a joke, maybe |
| 16:20.28 | stouset | ejofee: 2 |
| 16:20.31 | secher | stew: I don't know if there *is* a problem with the java-package. I need java functionality in firefox. so far, i've installed java-package, Sun's java stuff, followed the docs from Sun for creating the plugin ( that whole link thing from before ). and nothing. |
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| 16:20.51 | grumpydog | He can only access that wired or wireless |
| 16:21.27 | grumpydog | wired physical connection or wireless no ESSID etc |
| 16:21.35 | relic | internet > local networks |
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| 16:22.11 | grumpydog | relic are you wired or not or do I have to nmap you? |
| 16:22.18 | grumpydog | tell me |
| 16:22.22 | grumpydog | please |
| 16:22.31 | relic | what's nmap? |
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| 16:23.06 | secher | relic: are you using a wireless connection or a wired connection? |
| 16:23.13 | jeld | grumpydog, I wonder how nmap is going to tell you if he is locally wired or wireless :) |
| 16:23.19 | grumpydog | relic walk away from this channel please if you do not know what nmap is then you have no right installing linux BSD whatever. |
| 16:23.21 | relic | not sure, it's free |
| 16:23.38 | grumpydog | jeld easy :) |
| 16:23.41 | ejofee | stew, stouset: so how do i create a system group to stand for general sound mixer setup access? |
| 16:23.51 | secher | relic: Dude, do you have an ethernet cable plugged into your computer or not? |
| 16:24.05 | relic | ..... |
| 16:24.08 | ejofee | stew, stouset: should i simply detect all the mixer apps on my system? |
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| 16:24.49 | grumpydog | ejofee, ypu will have problems with access to the hardware. |
| 16:24.54 | grumpydog | You |
| 16:24.59 | stew | secher: did you create a .deb using java-package? |
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| 16:25.22 | jeld | grumpydog, interesting... weather he is wired or not, nmap is gonna hit his router... which is gonna be wired unless he is in some sort of weird place |
| 16:25.34 | stew | ejofee: do you run udev? (does "dpkg -l udev" spit out a line starting with "ii")? |
| 16:25.37 | grumpydog | unless port 139 is running and you have rmote control or VNC server 5509 |
| 16:25.37 | secher | relic: it looks like a phone cable, but larger, and is connected to a little plastic thing that looks like a phone jack but bigger with 8 little copper wires in it. |
| 16:25.56 | grumpydog | jeld heh exactly |
| 16:25.59 | jeld | grumpydog, and would you care to stop telling people to go away, this is a public channel |
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| 16:26.13 | relic | setcher, oO |
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| 16:26.29 | ejofee | stew: yes, it does |
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| 16:26.58 | ejofee | stew: and its description is "/dev/ management daemon" |
| 16:27.07 | stouset | relic: Do you have something that looks like a telephone cable going into your computer, only thicker? |
| 16:27.09 | jeld | grumpydog, OK, and what is that gonna tell you? If he is wireless you are gonna hit his access point, but you cannot really tell an access point from any other router |
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| 16:27.37 | stouset | jeld: Clearly, you have never seen a movie. |
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| 16:28.03 | resiak | In my .zlogin, I set BROWSER=galeon and so on. What's the terminal setting? `less $( which xfterm4 )` suggests TERMCMD; I'm wondering if this is true everywhere. |
| 16:28.05 | jeld | stouset, which one? |
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| 16:28.38 | stouset | jeld: Any one involving a computer whatsoever. |
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| 16:29.16 | stew | ejofee: then you are going to have to edit the permissions in /etc/udev/permissions.rules, currently it is just setting all sound related devices to be owned by group audio, you are going to have to figure out how to make the /dev/mixer and /dev/snd/control* owned by another group |
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| 16:29.30 | grumpydog | jeld I am an Ex-Marine and you call me Sir. If you want me to leave force me. Your shoulders be it on refusing help. I am stubborn. Your choice. #debian does _not_ need politics. |
| 16:29.38 | ejofee | grumpydog, jeld :)))))))))) "<grumpydog> relic walk away from this channel please if you do not know what nmap is" |
| 16:29.43 | stouset | jeld: You know, the ones where navigating complex 3D interfaces is done quickly by typing quickly, and where sending a ping constitutes a massive denial of service attack. |
| 16:29.52 | grumpydog | Now we see |
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| 16:30.04 | jeld | stouset, yes, I have :) Sometimes I wish computers really DID work this way :) |
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| 16:30.21 | grumpydog | jeld debian is lovely |
| 16:30.27 | stouset | jeld: You mean they *don't*? |
| 16:30.28 | debiankid | hello all im having a trouble on my debian web server take a eye n this http://channels.debian.net/paste/1582 |
| 16:30.30 | wizzomafizzo | I like the fact encryptions in movies are always so interesting. |
| 16:30.43 | relic | ejofee, so ... am i a loser? |
| 16:30.47 | jeld | stouset, maybe they do, but only for those they love |
| 16:30.47 | wizzomafizzo | You know the massive black and green 3d animations with a password prompt? |
| 16:30.49 | grumpydog | wizzomafizzo, you cracker |
| 16:30.54 | wizzomafizzo | On a floppy disk. |
| 16:30.56 | ejofee | relic :))) |
| 16:31.00 | stouset | debiankid: Permissions on parent directories. |
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| 16:31.13 | wizzomafizzo | :(, Yes I watched the matrix. |
| 16:31.17 | ejofee | relic: i was laughing at _grumpy_dog's attitude :P |
| 16:31.20 | wizzomafizzo | I am scum, I can crack anything. |
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| 16:31.29 | debiankid | stouset yes but i setted 775 |
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| 16:31.38 | relic | ejofee, could you tell me what channel suits a loser? |
| 16:31.39 | grumpydog | wizzomafizzo, softice moron? |
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| 16:31.51 | stew | relic: you are not a loser because you don't know about nmap, don't worry about it, move on |
| 16:31.58 | jeld | grumpydog, did you know that you can use nmap to shut down power grids? |
| 16:32.01 | stouset | debiankid: On the parent directories all the way up. |
| 16:32.05 | relic | stew, oh |
| 16:32.08 | wizzomafizzo | Not to get in to the subject of cracking too much, I honestly hate softice. |
| 16:32.16 | debiankid | stouset example? |
| 16:32.16 | relic | stew, you are so kind :) |
| 16:32.18 | ejofee | relic: we all are losers and winners from time to time. there's no such acceptable label, not that i know of. |
| 16:32.24 | stouset | debiankid: .. |
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| 16:32.45 | relic | ejofee, no recommends |
| 16:32.48 | wizzomafizzo | Is configuring fvwm easy? I'd like to test it. |
| 16:32.51 | ejofee | relic: loser is a state, not a person. |
| 16:32.53 | fusionfox | where can i find my video card drivers?? ( ati )? |
| 16:32.58 | stouset | debiankid: ../.., ../../.., and so on. |
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| 16:33.07 | debiankid | stouset /var/www/libro tho folder libro its setted chown -R root.root |
| 16:33.07 | relic | ejofee, lusers? |
| 16:33.10 | grumpydog | jeld you are talking to an very old guy here. I should put a Phantom in your Router hah. =D |
| 16:33.11 | Knight_Lord | I don't know if this is commonly known but if one of the RAID partition you have is not currently active the following happens when installing a 2.6.15 kernel. yaird error: Could not read output for /sbin/mdadm --detail --scan (fatal) |
| 16:33.27 | debiankid | stouset u mean a have to set permissions to /var/www/ too? |
| 16:33.29 | Knight_Lord | Simply mdadm -A -f /dev/md1 and running apt-get installa gain works |
| 16:33.38 | ejofee | relic: i don't understand your latest question. |
| 16:33.42 | Knight_Lord | It's probably a bug in the parsing script |
| 16:34.02 | stouset | debiankid: And /var, and /. |
| 16:34.12 | stouset | All of them need +x for whatever user/group the webserver runs as. |
| 16:34.18 | debiankid | stouset ok let me try |
| 16:34.21 | grumpydog | apache |
| 16:34.32 | stouset | debiankid: Hence, "search permissions are missing on a component of the path" |
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| 16:34.43 | debiankid | stouset ok |
| 16:34.50 | jeld | stouset, I maybe a bit slow to pick up a joke, but I was under impression that this is a sort of a support forum for debian. I came here with a question, and now I seem to realize that I was intentionally given misleading information. Not very funny. |
| 16:35.00 | wizzomafizzo | Hehehe, fvwm95 is eerily familiar. |
| 16:35.04 | stouset | jeld: Hm? |
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| 16:35.24 | abrotman | jeld: hostname and mailname |
| 16:35.35 | azeem | lastlog jeld |
| 16:35.36 | stouset | jeld: I was just joking about when you said there'd be no way for him to tell a wireless access point apart from a wired router. |
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| 16:35.37 | azeem | bah |
| 16:35.41 | awwa | anyone using samba? if i add a user to "valid users" are those samba users or linux users? |
| 16:35.44 | abrotman | jeld: if you want the name viewable by the outside world . use dns |
| 16:35.49 | stouset | awwa: linux users, AFAIK |
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| 16:35.59 | awwa | hmm.. |
| 16:36.16 | stouset | awwa: Wait, no, I take that back. Samba users. |
| 16:36.19 | grumpydog | abrotman, i GAVE HIM THE RIGHT URL TO READ THE DOCS. |
| 16:36.21 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 16:36.21 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 16:36.30 | awwa | but how does this smbmount work? do i have to add a uid and gid? to be able to create files etc |
| 16:36.32 | grumpydog | sorry caps |
| 16:36.34 | abrotman | grumpydog: if he indeed means DNS name |
| 16:36.34 | stouset | awwa: Samba keeps its own database of users/passwords, and doesn't touch /etc/passwd at all, if I recall. |
| 16:36.38 | awwa | stouset: crap crap |
| 16:36.40 | jeld | abrotman, no, all I wanted is to be able to get a fully qualified domain name retrievable by gethostbyname() and similar calls. Got it. |
| 16:36.46 | grumpydog | abrotman, *NOD* |
| 16:36.47 | stew | awwa: man smbpasswd |
| 16:36.51 | abrotman | jeld: which is hostname afaik |
| 16:37.03 | awwa | stouset: cos i am mounting my users at boot time, now i am wondering how i can set the perms... |
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| 16:37.21 | awwa | stouset: i mount everything under /smb/ |
| 16:37.52 | jeld | abrotman, not quite, setting hostname to fdqn will set kernel.hostname to fdqn which is wrong. Need to set hostname to hostname and use sysctl to set kernel.domain |
| 16:38.13 | abrotman | jeld: that's probably fine until you reboot |
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| 16:38.24 | jeld | abrotman, /etc/sysctl.conf :) |
| 16:38.31 | abrotman | jeld: hostname sets the host's name .. i htink mailname sets the domain |
| 16:38.32 | stouset | awwa: Dunno, mate. |
| 16:38.46 | grumpydog | awwa I will give you a go doc site http://www.linuxguruz.com/z.php?id=91 |
| 16:38.46 | jeld | abrotman, mailname only plays for the MTA config |
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| 16:38.53 | grumpydog | good |
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| 16:39.09 | stew | abrotman: dnsdomainname |
| 16:39.14 | abrotman | jeld: well .. doesn't seem quite right to me .. but if it works for you! |
| 16:39.20 | abrotman | stew: ? |
| 16:39.46 | stew | abrotman: actually nm, that is to retreive it, not to set it |
| 16:39.48 | jeld | abrotman, I was looking in the network startup script and it seems that it used to be set in /etc/network/options but now that file is being deprecated |
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| 16:40.34 | abrotman | jeld: ah .. ok |
| 16:40.48 | stew | jeld: man sysctl.conf |
| 16:40.52 | grumpydog | abrotman, TTL on the mailserver he needs help with |
| 16:40.52 | jeld | stew, dnsdomainname doesn't seem to be called from any init scripts, so that would be a one time shot |
| 16:40.56 | abrotman | stew: he already did it |
| 16:40.59 | stew | ok |
| 16:41.06 | jeld | stew, thanx |
| 16:41.13 | abrotman | stew: grumpydog tried to have him setup dns :) |
| 16:41.35 | Rawplayer | RE |
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| 16:41.57 | abrotman | though admittedly .. jeld's original question wasn't exactly what he wanted |
| 16:42.52 | grumpydog | jeld ah yes that was a used in Pirch Irc client. |
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| 16:43.04 | jeld | grumpydog, yup, good old times |
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| 16:43.38 | kspath | pirch sounds so familiar |
| 16:43.44 | captainmullet | Has anyone had luck in setting up a SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS card? |
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| 16:44.34 | kspath | omg the windows client? |
| 16:44.36 | jeld | crap it still doesn't work right |
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| 16:44.49 | captainmullet | Or if there's a website, or a book that would steer me in the right direction, that would be great. |
| 16:45.11 | kspath | I shoudl not talk I used pirch also especially when mirc had all the issues |
| 16:45.14 | kspath | ancient times |
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| 16:45.33 | jetscreamer | captainmullet: i know you want the emu10k1 module/driver but that's about all i know |
| 16:45.44 | grumpydog | jeld using that script is not going to help, I have been working for 22 hours today so please forgive me if I take a break, I have done 72 hours with just 6½ sleep if you cannot see ½ it means you have the wrong UTF settings, I will bbl =) |
| 16:45.46 | jetscreamer | snd-emu10k1 |
| 16:45.57 | jetscreamer | for alsa, no snd- for oss |
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| 16:46.10 | captainmullet | jetscreamer: Alright, any help is appreciated, thanks. I'll look into it. |
| 16:46.20 | stew | captainmullet: you can try: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 16:46.31 | jeld | grumpydog, sorry to hear that, "Momma said there will be weeks like this" |
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| 16:46.48 | jetscreamer | omg. i just accidentally downed my leftover coffee from last night |
| 16:47.02 | Ronin | jetscreamer: bet that tasted special, any torpedoes in it? |
| 16:47.03 | captainmullet | Haha. I bet that was a rude awakening. |
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| 16:47.16 | kspath | I think I used bitchx and several others long ago as well just so long ago and so foggy |
| 16:47.55 | jetscreamer | nah no smoking in the house, so no torps |
| 16:48.09 | captainmullet | stew: Thanks, I'll try that. |
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| 16:48.41 | kspath | there is always the cat or bird dumping or peeing into a cup |
| 16:48.55 | vin` | lizard poop |
| 16:49.02 | kspath | nice one |
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| 16:49.14 | stew | some great belgian beers have bird poop in them |
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| 16:50.13 | kspath | hence the reason I recommend that every admin worth anything right a basic checklist script |
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| 16:50.14 | vin` | zomgrotlamao |
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| 16:50.47 | kspath | it is always the simple dumb things after spending hours looking up crap you find a missing line or typo or some silly crap somewhere |
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| 16:51.19 | kspath | I am not worth anything though I am too lazy to write my audit scripts |
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| 16:52.16 | kspath | There is always something shiny to distract me from useful purposes, ends, and results. |
| 16:52.28 | debiankid | stouset hey i fix the problem thanks |
| 16:53.06 | __g0r8y__ | kspath: super-karamba? |
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| 16:53.19 | kspath | wow I used ircle, bitchx, ircii, pirch, mirc, and irssi plus probably a dozen more argh my memory is so screwed |
| 16:53.50 | kspath | I tried all that happy/shiny graphics stuff 1-2 years ago I am ion3 / openbox3 and happy |
| 16:54.27 | kspath | gdesklets or whatever also |
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| 16:55.07 | kspath | kde3 is pretty but I have 200-300MB more memory free when using ion3 and aterm as opposed to gnome/KDE crap |
| 16:55.08 | vin` | gdeskllets was the reason I switched from suse to debian. ;-/ |
| 16:55.33 | vin` | that's true, ion3 uses the least among the ones I've tried. |
| 16:55.37 | grumpydog | jeld I am sorry, I do not need to be rude. I have been onsite and also done over 1,300 miles in that last few days @ an average of 60mph heh I still have a sense of humour though. I am suffering from sleep. |
| 16:55.44 | kspath | function is what I like now minimalist |
| 16:55.57 | __g0r8y__ | but no shine :( |
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| 16:56.01 | kspath | vin`: try ratpoison? |
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| 16:56.22 | vin` | kspath: not really |
| 16:56.53 | kspath | vin`: That is not for everyone. It is basically keyboard only. I am still too much into point and click crap |
| 16:57.13 | vin` | kspath: have seen it, felt like ion |
| 16:57.31 | __g0r8y__ | point and click is crap now? |
| 16:57.47 | vin` | __g0r8y__: too much effort, too slow. |
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| 16:58.22 | __g0r8y__ | vin: lol typeing at a keyboard is more "low level" |
| 16:58.34 | __g0r8y__ | mouse is a high level metaphore |
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| 16:59.19 | sketche | what type of services will i need to set up to run debian as a router/firewall? |
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| 16:59.53 | aisixt | hi |
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| 17:02.05 | kspath | point and click is not crap, it is just that it can become the habit of hand(s) off the keyboard |
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| 17:03.30 | kspath | In an isolated GUI like old MacOS and Windows you can not get away from point and click but with a CLI based OS you can do most things quite well without point-and-click |
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| 17:04.42 | pipeline | kspath: The CLI is pathetic. |
| 17:04.48 | pipeline | kspath: Especially the UNIX cli. |
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| 17:04.59 | pipeline | kspath: Go try, for example, CLIMACS, then come back and talk about CLI interfaces, ok? |
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| 17:05.15 | Gnea | ROFL |
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| 17:06.07 | Gnea | pipeline: you know, point and click is only as good as the connections made to the power of the CLI |
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| 17:07.16 | kspath | pipeline: I did not claim that "UNIX" CLI was the only/best in the world and I know nothing of "CLIMACS" |
| 17:07.31 | pipeline | kspath: CLI versus point and click is a false dichotomy. |
| 17:07.44 | pipeline | kspath: The CLI, any CLI, is pathetic compared to interfaces that fuse the two. |
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| 17:08.01 | pipeline | kspath: climacs is an attempt to write the old Symbolics Zmacs environment for modern operating systems. |
| 17:08.03 | vin` | like ion, it even looks like a CLI |
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| 17:08.39 | if | Can someone give me link to "howto" setup smtp + imap + pop3 + squirrelmail + antivir + spamassassin :-/ ? |
| 17:08.42 | jetscreamer | joystick+mouse-kb |
| 17:08.45 | kspath | pipeline: It is subjective. |
| 17:08.49 | odb_ | hello, where can i find temp files of firefox ? |
| 17:08.54 | mhall | Hello, it appears that 2.6.15.1 broke ALSA on my emu10k1 SB Live! Value card. Is anybody else experiencing this or am I crazy? |
| 17:09.06 | odb_ | something like temp. internet files |
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| 17:09.14 | pipeline | kspath: A lame excuse. |
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| 17:09.19 | pipeline | kspath: climacs is free software, try it for yourself. |
| 17:09.28 | Gnea | odb_: ~/.mozilla/firefox/ |
| 17:09.39 | odb_ | thx |
| 17:09.39 | mhall | odb_: ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default |
| 17:09.49 | kspath | pipeline: excuse? I was not making one. I was not even disagreeing with you. |
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| 17:10.17 | ThoSa | Hi, i know this question must be asked several times but, has anybody a workint how-to to connect a linksys WMP54G WLAN PCI card with broadcom chipset to debian 3.1 ? |
| 17:10.22 | Gnea | mhall: now that you mention it, the sound on my laptop has stopped working, and it's an intel |
| 17:10.42 | kspath | pipeline: you read something into what I said or I failed to use a comma or semi-colon or perhaps I made myself very unclear which is likely the case. |
| 17:11.01 | npx | dpkg, Chuck norris is known to donate blood frequently. Just not his own. |
| 17:11.01 | dpkg | ...but chuck norris is already something else... |
| 17:11.07 | npx | dpkg, chuck norris? |
| 17:11.08 | dpkg | hmm... chuck norris is ROUNDHOUSE KICK! |
| 17:11.13 | mhall | Gnea: ok, some genius fucked up alsa |
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| 17:11.16 | npx | oh fuck that |
| 17:11.22 | mhall | Gnea: do you recall the last kernel that worked by chance? |
| 17:11.25 | aim1159 | hi all |
| 17:11.25 | jetscreamer | npx: is also |
| 17:11.26 | Gnea | mhall: godamnit |
| 17:11.31 | stew | mhall: have you tried a debian kernel? |
| 17:11.36 | mhall | ThoSa: you pretty much don't |
| 17:11.42 | Gnea | mhall: 2.6.12 (i kinda skipped over 2.6.14 on there) |
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| 17:11.46 | mhall | stew: no i hadn't |
| 17:11.47 | npx | dpkg, Chuck norris is also known to donate blood frequently. Just not his own. |
| 17:11.47 | dpkg | okay, npx |
| 17:11.49 | aim1159 | small question -- do I understand right -- testing now have a security team support? |
| 17:11.53 | RichiH | is there _any_ way to get at what apt put into another terminal? apt is still running, i just can not access it.. |
| 17:11.55 | mhall | Gnea: ok i had 2.6.14.3 working |
| 17:12.00 | Gnea | hmmm |
| 17:12.12 | mhall | Gnea: probably the last thing to work will be the last 2.6.14 |
| 17:12.23 | Gnea | mhall: are you on a stock or self-compiled? |
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| 17:12.27 | vin` | RichiH: jailed apt? |
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| 17:12.39 | ThoSa | mhall: does that mean that you think there is no how-to? or no chance to configure that WLAN card with debian 3.1 ? |
| 17:12.39 | jetscreamer | yes etch has some security updates (or at least the ability) |
| 17:12.40 | ghibli | ciao |
| 17:12.48 | kspath | What is the deal with the bizarre references to Chuck Norris. I like him and his martial art but I fail to see why it is popular among #debian people. Is it the same people that think he does "kung fu" ? |
| 17:12.58 | mhall | ThoSa: alright there are a couple of things going on |
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| 17:13.07 | jetscreamer | !worship chuck norris |
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| 17:13.12 | mhall | kspath: no; quite the opposite; it's known to be of canonically bad quality |
| 17:13.26 | Gnea | ThoSa: are you familiar with the website http://www.google.com? |
| 17:13.27 | ghibli | ok ciao |
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| 17:13.31 | mhall | kspath: i will give you a link which might make this clear; please hold while i google my gmail |
| 17:13.37 | mhall | ThoSa: i'll explain just give me a minute |
| 17:13.44 | npx | ahaha |
| 17:13.56 | Gnea | !tell ThoSa about madwifi |
| 17:13.58 | npx | "I'll explain but Chuck Norris takes precedent over your worldly desires" |
| 17:14.13 | ThoSa | Gnea: very funny. i guess google comes before irc chat :-) |
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| 17:14.22 | Gnea | ThoSa: indeed, it does. |
| 17:14.28 | mhall | Gnea: he has broadcom |
| 17:14.36 | kspath | mhall: I studied TKD for many years and his is Tang So Do a sister Korean art. Often people claim that Chuck Norris is a Kung Fu or Karate expert. |
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| 17:14.39 | Gnea | mhall: which is supported by madwifi |
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| 17:14.55 | RobNyc | I wonder if this still exist http://osdir.com/Article3489.phtml |
| 17:15.25 | npx | kspath, All I'm claiming is that he'll kick your ass |
| 17:15.51 | jetscreamer | chuck has his own brand now, in american schools... kick drugs out of school or something... i made my kids take the class |
| 17:15.54 | kspath | npx: Chuck is in shape and I am out of shape so I would totally agree with you on that one. |
| 17:16.09 | stouset | RobNyc: Not only is it pointless, but yes, it does exist and is built into Debian. |
| 17:16.13 | winterhawk | Hey guys, I'm trying to install some stuff on a virtual host running sarge, and can't find stdlib.h... what apt-get package has development headers? |
| 17:16.18 | RichiH | vin`: running apt in konsole and apparently something kde needs to display a konsole is being updated.. |
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| 17:16.19 | stouset | kspath: Chuck Norris defines the concept of "shape" |
| 17:16.25 | RobNyc | stouset, why u find it pointless |
| 17:16.29 | npx | stouset ^5 |
| 17:16.44 | calmar | Hi all. I was on that black list here: http://opm.blitzed.org/proxy?ip=¤t=Lookup+current+IP+address and was not able to log into IRC. I removed me there. Nevertheless, would anybody have some additionaly hints for me about that? |
| 17:16.46 | vin` | RichiH: kicker missing? |
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| 17:17.16 | RichiH | vin`: the kicker looks half-drawn, yes |
| 17:17.23 | mhall | Gnea: NO IT'S NOT |
| 17:17.24 | calmar | I do not have, as far as I know, a proxy installed. |
| 17:17.26 | stouset | RobNyc: The time you waste compiling will never, in a milllion years, be made up for by the three clock cycles you save per hour with something compiled specifically for your machine. |
| 17:17.29 | RichiH | vin`: i onlz wanbt to know where apt is at, thouhg |
| 17:17.29 | Gnea | "And this is wrong, you are free to recompile software you use on Debian, using the apt system." <-- retarded. gentoo forces the user to wait through compiles before having a working system. |
| 17:17.39 | mhall | kspath: http://www.mhcomputing.net/~mhall/chuck_norris.txt |
| 17:17.53 | kspath | mhall: thank you sir. |
| 17:17.53 | lakcaj | winterhawk, libc6-dev |
| 17:17.57 | mhall | kspath: it's a copy of a famous rant about chuck norris from which many of the references are derived |
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| 17:18.03 | jetscreamer | no they don't 'force' |
| 17:18.11 | vin` | RichiH: ain't it running in screen? -dr ;) |
| 17:18.11 | mhall | ThoSa: alright here's the problem |
| 17:18.11 | jetscreamer | its an option |
| 17:18.19 | jetscreamer | stage 1 2 3 |
| 17:18.24 | zenwryly | I'm having trouble figuring out how to install an sid/unstable system from a testing/etch install ISO. Can anyone point me to a starting point? |
| 17:18.25 | mhall | ThoSa: are you there? |
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| 17:18.33 | Gnea | mhall: wow, you're right - linuxant does |
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| 17:18.44 | stew | zenwryly: install etch and "upgrade" to sid |
| 17:18.53 | ThoSa | mhall: still here |
| 17:18.57 | jetscreamer | zenwryly: use expert as a boot option, just install the base system and change the sources as soon as possible |
| 17:19.09 | mhall | ThoSa: you need to investigate three things. 1) ndiswrapper 2) bcm43xx.berlios.de 3) linuxant loader |
| 17:19.13 | Gnea | ThoSa: sorry about that, i was wrong - madwifi won't, but linuxant will: http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/ |
| 17:19.22 | kspath | This is hilarious. Way over the top but funny. |
| 17:19.32 | jetscreamer | also the second 'apt-setup' changes you back to a testing source, if you know what i mean.. the first one is ok. |
| 17:19.35 | zenwryly | stew, jetscreamer: ok, roger. Didn't realize that was a kosher way to do it. Thanks. |
| 17:19.38 | mhall | ThoSa: my advice is to get it going for now with ndiswrapper, then switch over to bcm43xx once you are more experienced with the kernel, etc. |
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| 17:19.48 | ThoSa | mhall and Gnea: thanks for that information. i will check if can work with that |
| 17:19.51 | jetscreamer | in the installer |
| 17:19.53 | mhall | ThoSa: i got bcm43xx to compile but i have not gotten it to connect to anything yet |
| 17:20.07 | mhall | ThoSa: the linuxant loader costs money; use it last |
| 17:20.07 | kspath | apt-get install chucknorris-ids |
| 17:20.10 | mhall | ThoSa: the ndiswrapper is free and works 99/100 times anyways |
| 17:20.11 | ThoSa | mhall: thanks for your hint and your experience |
| 17:20.29 | jetscreamer | and hit esc when the partitioner first initializes to get a more usable interface |
| 17:20.30 | Gnea | what is the deal with chuck norris all of a sudden? |
| 17:20.32 | mhall | ThoSa: you have no idea how much shit i went through to figure out how to work wireless |
| 17:20.42 | mhall | ThoSa: it took me six months to figure out how to get it to work |
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| 17:21.05 | jetscreamer | mhall: i do. i just said 'fuggit' and put in a wired nic |
| 17:21.05 | ThoSa | mhall: i believe you. there is much going on there, but all is not 100 % concrete |
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| 17:22.10 | RobNyc | Debian prefers gnome right |
| 17:22.17 | mhall | jetscreamer: yeah well that doesn't work on a laptop |
| 17:22.19 | ejofee | anybody know a site specialized on (anonymous) file transfer? |
| 17:22.23 | Gnea | RobNyc: hell no |
| 17:22.29 | Ronin | RobNyc: nope |
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| 17:22.37 | ejofee | https.www.meshmx.com/fe seems to be down. |
| 17:22.39 | mhall | ThoSa: it's concrete that won't cure, like a hole full of quicksand |
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| 17:22.40 | RobNyc | Gnome over KDE |
| 17:22.42 | kspath | mhall: but you learned stuff while doing it. Like how strong your forehead is. How much hair come out on each pull. Caffiene levels and their relation to rage... |
| 17:22.53 | ejofee | i mean... https://www.meshmx.com/fe seems to be down. |
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| 17:23.02 | Gnea | RobNyc: STOP |
| 17:23.04 | mhall | ThoSa: get sucked in; come out six months later with it only halfway working and thoroughly angry and demoralized |
| 17:23.13 | RobNyc | Gnea, whats the problem |
| 17:23.15 | RobNyc | kde freak ? |
| 17:23.17 | stew | RobNyc: only in the sense that the maintainer of the tasksel pacakge decided that installing a "desktop system" would install gnome, but by default debian doesn't install either and doesn't prefer either |
| 17:23.28 | mhall | ThoSa: i only got WPA-PSK working yesterday after months and having to get a cardbus atheros madwifi card |
| 17:23.32 | tay | If anyone here has experience setting up php mysql with the mysqli.so driver plz say so i have a question |
| 17:23.33 | RobNyc | stew, true |
| 17:23.36 | Gnea | RobNyc: neither, i use a real wm |
| 17:23.40 | mhall | ThoSa: which is fucking dumb since i have internal bcm43xx already |
| 17:23.41 | ThoSa | mhall: is there another wlan card you would suggest to use under linux and debian 3.1 ? |
| 17:23.49 | RobNyc | Gnea, whats a real wm mr |
| 17:23.53 | winterhawk | thanks lakcaj! |
| 17:23.55 | mhall | ThoSa: it depends on how much encryption you need |
| 17:23.57 | stew | lets not get into wm wars |
| 17:24.04 | Gnea | RobNyc: neither, and it doesn't matter, you're off-topic |
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| 17:24.05 | mhall | ThoSa: if you just need the basics, ndiswrapper is fine |
| 17:24.08 | stew | esp since robnyc hasn't mentioned a wm yet |
| 17:24.11 | kspath | !war |
| 17:24.11 | dpkg | well, war is foo, or http://www.atai.org/softwarewar.gif |
| 17:24.12 | Eulex | !start a wm war |
| 17:24.12 | dpkg | GNOME makes me vomit! |
| 17:24.15 | ThoSa | mhall: just basic encryption |
| 17:24.16 | RobNyc | Gnea, theres no topic here wow |
| 17:24.19 | mhall | ThoSa: otherwise you'd be better off with madwifi because it's the best supported |
| 17:24.28 | mhall | ThoSa: just use ndiswrapper it's pretty easy to set up |
| 17:24.28 | RichiH | vin`: if it was in screen, i would not even ask.. |
| 17:24.33 | mhall | ThoSa: and it works for the basics |
| 17:24.35 | RobNyc | kill kde |
| 17:24.37 | Ronin | RobNyc: sure theres a topic hers |
| 17:24.42 | ThoSa | mhall: thanks for your help again |
| 17:24.54 | RichiH | so there is no temp file or _anything_ where i could see what apt is trying to do atm? |
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| 17:25.30 | RobNyc | OLD DEBIAN |
| 17:25.30 | stew | RobNyc: no, but if you are on testing or sid, you could watch the dpkg.log to see what dpkg has done, but that's probably not too helpful |
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| 17:25.56 | Gnea | bout time |
| 17:26.07 | sancho___ | what's the debian community's general attitude towards the many debian spinoffs out there? |
| 17:26.23 | npx | if they act shady we'll shank them |
| 17:26.30 | m1ke_l | imitation is the highest form of flatery |
| 17:26.32 | npx | hell, we might just shank them anyways. |
| 17:26.39 | stew | sancho___: that question doesn't produce fruitful discussion in this channel |
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| 17:26.53 | sancho___ | stew: noted. |
| 17:26.56 | npx | Indeed; few questions do |
| 17:27.06 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 17:27.06 | dpkg | methinks ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 17:27.08 | Gnea | !knoppix |
| 17:27.09 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 17:27.21 | ThoSa | Gnea and mhall: thanks and bye |
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| 17:27.24 | stew | sancho___: its a very common question and it never goes anywhere productive |
| 17:27.29 | mhall | ThoSa: yeah sorry i can't be more happy |
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| 17:27.40 | mhall | ThoSa: but this is definitely not the funnest shit i've ever done |
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| 17:28.12 | npx | sancho___, My personal thoughts are that none have any features or a hardcore enough community to merit even considering switching |
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| 17:28.41 | npx | When users of Debian-based distributions abandon their distro's support network in favor of coming to #Debian on a regular enough basis to merit such vitriol |
| 17:28.52 | npx | well, maybe they should just install debian and be done with it? |
| 17:29.04 | maq0r | Can someone sort of explain me what's the point of NIS? |
| 17:29.04 | coolpix | oi |
| 17:29.24 | maq0r | I know it's used to keep a centralized sort of bank of information regarding accounts on a network |
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| 17:29.42 | npx | it's also used to piss me (and chuck norris) off |
| 17:29.43 | sancho___ | I personally don't see enough significant difference among debian and debian-derivatives to warrant entirely new distributions. I look at it like Red Hat vs. Mandrake of several years ago. |
| 17:29.45 | maq0r | But what exactly is the point to it? if I delete a user on that bank will that user be deleted in the system? |
| 17:29.47 | mhall | npx: lol |
| 17:29.52 | chiumiento1_ | ciao a tutti |
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| 17:30.08 | chiumiento1_ | se qualcuno conosce l'italiano mi potrebbe dare una mano?? |
| 17:30.08 | mhall | npx: dude i totally agree, if i were op i'd write a command for irssi called ukick |
| 17:30.17 | mhall | !tell chiumiento1_ about italian |
| 17:30.18 | npx | hahaha |
| 17:30.21 | Eulex | !nis |
| 17:30.21 | dpkg | from memory, nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also NFS.. Network Information Service, or http://www.levenez.com/NeXTSTEP/Xedoc.gif |
| 17:30.36 | TriKster-Abacus | hello everyone! |
| 17:30.38 | sancho___ | maq0r: centralized account management for a large number of commonly managed UNIX machines (more than user/group too, hosts entries and so forth.) |
| 17:30.39 | maq0r | A simple yes/no would suffice |
| 17:30.56 | mhall | npx: ukick would map to /k #debian ubuntu_user UBUNTU IS NOT DEBIAN! |
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| 17:31.06 | maq0r | sancho: So If I make a change on it , it would replicate to the proper system? |
| 17:31.09 | m1ke_l | hi trikster |
| 17:31.15 | Genscher | ok, i have a problem with debian sarge related to aptitude/upgrade/update: i have currently mysql-server (which is version 4.0.x) installed and like to switch to 4.1 via aptitude. how can i do that without loosing database accounts and without loosing any data? |
| 17:31.27 | mhall | npx: actually i'd have to use it so much i'd better make it /uk or i'd die of carpal tunnel pain |
| 17:31.27 | winterhawk | Ubuntu installed on my new laptop when nothing else would, but I wish I could run straight deb |
| 17:31.28 | maq0r | If I delete user "john" user "john" won't be able to login to any of the NIS Systems connected to the well NIS? |
| 17:31.40 | sancho___ | maq0r: not sure, never used it myself. Google should have plenty of resources |
| 17:31.49 | npx | I think Ubuntu et al are cool in that they're ways to focus development of mainline debian, like for instance I'm sure Kubuntu and Ubuntu will result in better KDE/Gnome packages for the rest of us |
| 17:31.52 | NOthsouth | if I want to run a script.sh via crontab -e .. I just need put a line like this? 20 20 * * * /home/user/script.sh ?? |
| 17:31.56 | sancho___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.02 | maq0r | Yea figured, most of the search I do just say It's a network information system |
| 17:32.11 | NOthsouth | will that line RUN the script ? |
| 17:32.12 | maq0r | But that's it lol, doesn't say exactly what's the practical use of it |
| 17:32.21 | jjazz | NOthsouth: looks fine to me. Make sure the script is executable |
| 17:32.24 | sancho___ | NOthsouth: as long as its executable, yes |
| 17:32.34 | npx | maq0r, it's sort of the unix equivalent of Active Directory on windows platforms |
| 17:32.38 | npx | not really, but sort of. |
| 17:32.38 | maq0r | It's like saying "I have this really good yellow car" "but what does it do?" "It's a yellow car" "ok but does it work?" "it's a yellow car" |
| 17:32.50 | maq0r | Don't have experience with active directory, sorry :s |
| 17:32.52 | sancho___ | maq0r: you're looking at the wrong information then. |
| 17:32.58 | npx | maq0r, Why are you interested in it? |
| 17:32.58 | NOthsouth | Lol .. |
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| 17:33.12 | mhall | maq0r: oh the tautology of it all |
| 17:33.16 | sancho___ | maq0r: does LDP have anything on it? |
| 17:33.32 | npx | linuxhelp.com probably has some good stuff on it |
| 17:33.34 | maq0r | Some people have pointed me towards it, I have three small servers with different users and I would like to manage them like centralized hehe |
| 17:33.38 | npx | linuxdocs.com whatever |
| 17:33.46 | Azar | I think ubuntu is a good idea come true for those windows addicts out there who want to bail out of windows but hate handling Debian |
| 17:33.47 | mhall | maq0r: it syncs up the user accounts and passwords |
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| 17:33.52 | npx | http://www.linux-nis.org/ |
| 17:33.56 | maq0r | Sometimes I'm like "Is user xx1 in server1 or 2?" hehehe |
| 17:33.59 | mhall | maq0r: depending on what you are doing it might just be easier to use NIS |
| 17:34.11 | mhall | maq0r: but LDAP is pretty much hackproof and NIS isn't |
| 17:34.13 | maq0r | I see |
| 17:34.22 | mhall | maq0r: so it depends on the kind of network you want to run |
| 17:34.22 | sancho___ | maq0r: 3 servers all with different users doesn't sound like you're going to gain much. 3 systems all with the *same* users might be more justifiable |
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| 17:34.28 | maq0r | Why most books talk about NIS and NIS+ ? |
| 17:34.30 | mhall | maq0r: LDAP takes quite a lot more configuring |
| 17:34.38 | maq0r | instead of LDAP |
| 17:34.40 | mhall | maq0r: because NIS has been around longer |
| 17:34.41 | sancho___ | mhall: ldap = hackproof? |
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| 17:34.50 | npx | maq0r, in general, unless you have a GOOD reason to want to use something like NIS or LDAP, you shouldn't do so |
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| 17:34.57 | maq0r | LDAP like MS Access Directory? |
| 17:35.01 | mhall | sancho___: *PRETTY MUCH HACKPROOF* != HACKPROOF |
| 17:35.19 | pawdro | how to change depth of colors of screen in debian? |
| 17:35.20 | sancho___ | mhall: granted, but i'd have a hard time agreeing with pretty much as well... ;) |
| 17:35.32 | mhall | sancho___: but... it supports encryption |
| 17:35.35 | Eulex | !drxx pawdro |
| 17:35.36 | dpkg | pawdro: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:35.37 | dimir | maq0r: put it this way, MS AD supports LDAP. |
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| 17:35.40 | sancho___ | maq0r: MSAD is based on LDAP, yes. |
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| 17:35.44 | mhall | sancho___: so if you set it up right it should be pretty hard to fuck it up |
| 17:35.51 | maq0r | Ok, so for example, If I need to give email to 50 thousand users, what would be the best way to approach it? LDAP? |
| 17:35.53 | mhall | sancho___: and most people using it aren't idiots |
| 17:35.54 | maq0r | with exim or what MTA? |
| 17:36.03 | mhall | sancho___: so one could assume they'd configure it right |
| 17:36.10 | mhall | maq0r: that's not what causes the problem |
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| 17:36.12 | maq0r | Assuming I can use a MTA + LDAP? |
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| 17:36.20 | sancho___ | maq0r: what one would you like? postfix, qmail, sendmail and exim all support LDAP backends. |
| 17:36.22 | mhall | maq0r: what causes the problem is if they have email on more than one server |
| 17:36.31 | maq0r | I see |
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| 17:36.39 | mhall | maq0r: if it can be handled by a single multiple opteron box, why have account syncing |
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| 17:37.03 | maq0r | I wish it were a smp opteron box haha |
| 17:37.11 | maq0r | 3 IBM servers, nothing big |
| 17:37.15 | mhall | maq0r: just make tarballs of the config files n shit nightly so if it dies you could copy it over; or use an enterprise grade box with redundant parts |
| 17:37.21 | Azar | one can't expect to have a hackproof system, hiding behind elusively secure firewalls when he practice the habit of downloading and installing applications filled with vulnerabilities its like.. piercing yourself holes in your entire system no matter what kind of "protection" software one is trusting |
| 17:37.37 | maq0r | BUT We have projected giving out around 50k e-mail accounts (pop3 + popb4smtp) to the faculty and alumni |
| 17:37.38 | sancho___ | maq0r: why don't you start out with what you *need*, then you can determine what to do to get you there. |
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| 17:37.44 | mhall | Azar: the holes are probably minimally likely to appear in LDAP though |
| 17:37.49 | Bucciarati | maq0r: http://www.pigeonair.net/ |
| 17:37.52 | mhall | Azar: because it was designed securely from the outset |
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| 17:38.06 | Bucciarati | maq0r: it is used by various university campus here |
| 17:38.09 | maq0r | Looking for the best solution to handle around 50k users :) |
| 17:38.09 | mhall | Azar: and nobody said the system was pretty much hackproof, only that ldap was |
| 17:38.10 | npx | maq0r, is it an academic institution? You might simply ask other schools what systems they user; systems have been developed specifically to solve your problem |
| 17:38.23 | Azar | mhall, I was refering to those "latest greatest and nicest looking" applications offered online |
| 17:38.24 | mhall | maq0r: MUST THE USERS HAVE ACCOUNTS ON MUTIPLE BOXES AT ONCE? |
| 17:38.27 | maq0r | Is it GPL?, we cannot use non GPL software according to federal law |
| 17:38.36 | Bucciarati | maq0r: yes it is gpl |
| 17:38.38 | lolaaa | I reset my router and now i can't browse or anything. What should i do? |
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| 17:38.47 | maq0r | mhall no |
| 17:38.49 | NOthsouth | do crontab have any problems to run scripts .sh ??? any especial thing ? |
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| 17:39.11 | mhall | maq0r: then you don't need either one |
| 17:39.11 | sancho___ | maq0r: LDAP is an excellent choice for scalability and the ability to distribute your load across multiple servers and create redundancy. LDAP is a common choice for ISPs and the like that have large user directories and subscriber bases |
| 17:39.17 | mhall | maq0r: just use regular unix accounts |
| 17:39.18 | kspath | autenticating them and the path to their maildir can be stored in a DB of almost any type |
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| 17:39.53 | maq0r | Can I for example have a server handle mail for users say from a-m and another from m-z or any other special rule? |
| 17:39.54 | mhall | kspath: so now do you 'get' the norris jokes |
| 17:40.00 | kspath | some have ability to use postgresql and/or mysql my default |
| 17:40.03 | maq0r | sancho: Thinking about something like that |
| 17:40.07 | kspath | mhall: mostly |
| 17:40.11 | mhall | kspath: good |
| 17:40.13 | sancho___ | maq0r: that's one way, but it becomes slightly more difficult to manage |
| 17:40.22 | lolaaa | I reset my router and now i can't browse or anything. What should i do? |
| 17:40.32 | maq0r | I see |
| 17:40.42 | kspath | mhall: I am slow. Not having been forced to use lisp/scheme I am a terribly ignorant person. |
| 17:40.53 | maq0r | I'm just checking out our options |
| 17:40.53 | maq0r | hehehe |
| 17:40.55 | mhall | kspath: ? |
| 17:41.28 | Eulex | lolaaa, /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:41.28 | Bucciarati | maq0r: have you read what i wrote ??!? |
| 17:41.35 | kspath | mhall: reference/long reach for a sarcastic attempt at poor humour |
| 17:41.36 | mhall | lolaaa: but you're in here |
| 17:41.43 | maq0r | If I were to select to receive a class and I had to chose between LDAP and NIS should I get a lecture of LDAP instead? |
| 17:41.51 | maq0r | Bucciarati No I'm sorry I missed it |
| 17:41.56 | maq0r | Oh I saw the pigeonair.net link, thank you |
| 17:41.58 | maq0r | ;) |
| 17:42.04 | lolaaa | I'm online from my phone |
| 17:42.04 | mhall | maq0r: yes ldap is more powerful |
| 17:42.10 | Bucciarati | maq0r: ok :) |
| 17:42.18 | Bucciarati | maq0r: it uses ldap btw |
| 17:42.24 | maq0r | Note taken; thanks :) |
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| 17:42.36 | lolaaa | Eulex, my router settings are reset, how will that help? |
| 17:42.40 | sancho___ | maq0r: if you're interested, take a look at qmail-ldap. one thing it'll give you is scalability and clustering with no partitioned user account groups per server. user's maildir information is stored in LDAP and so the mta always has awareness of where the user is "at". You can also use NFS for shared mailbox storage, and since maildir format is locking "safe", you won't have issues like you would with mbox + NFS. |
| 17:42.49 | Gnea | !qmail |
| 17:42.49 | dpkg | i heard qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html |
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| 17:43.00 | maq0r | At least we had a small chat about it, most of the time it's "GOOGLE IT" and while I've been googling about it a simple "yea it's better" or "no check xxx" it's so much better for everybody :) |
| 17:44.10 | maq0r | sancho: Oh nice |
| 17:44.10 | maq0r | GOod to know I'll keep that in mind |
| 17:44.10 | Gnea | maq0r: what's wrong with following channel guidelines? |
| 17:44.10 | Eulex | lolaaa, it will rerun dhcp. I assumed that you were running dhcp, but I might be wrong. |
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| 17:44.11 | kspath | use can use that concept with exim, postfix, sendmail, dovecot courier |
| 17:44.11 | sancho___ | maq0r: you can accomplish similar effects in sendmail or postfix that i'm aware of. |
| 17:44.11 | maq0r | Not saying it's wrong, please don't put words in my mouth. |
| 17:44.11 | maq0r | Yea, but I don't want to use sendmail hehehe |
| 17:44.11 | Gnea | then don't complain. |
| 17:44.17 | maq0r | Who is? |
| 17:44.25 | lolaaa | Let me try that |
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| 17:44.53 | starfishy | hm, dbus-glib-1 depends on dbus-1 >=0.23.4 and 0.23.4-8 is installed |
| 17:44.58 | Gnea | [12:38PM] <maq0r> At least we had a small chat about it, most of the time it's "GOOGLE IT" |
| 17:44.59 | maq0r | it was actually a compliment, if you want to take it as a complaint, then well that's you :P |
| 17:45.05 | kspath | maq0r: go to #sendmail /me runs and hides but gets kicked by Chuck. |
| 17:45.08 | starfishy | so why is that listed as dependency problem? |
| 17:45.13 | maq0r | haha no way I'm doing sendmail |
| 17:45.25 | kspath | why? |
| 17:45.26 | maq0r | I like Exim |
| 17:45.26 | Genscher | is there another place where i could get an info about upgrading mysql-server via aptitude to mysql-server-4.1? (google wasn't successful) |
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| 17:45.37 | kspath | At least you have an MTA. |
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| 17:45.49 | maq0r | Oh I think my baldness was caused by sendmail |
| 17:45.55 | kspath | some say, no way sendmail and then they quote bogus info that is old |
| 17:45.58 | maq0r | or genetics... but I say sendmail |
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| 17:46.28 | stew | Genscher: aptitude install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 17:46.32 | maq0r | Not at all, I'm not going to like I had sendmail and it was stable but to make it run stable stable I had to spend many nights tweakign the cf and stuff |
| 17:46.37 | kspath | sendmail can be interesting but isn't it more likely that the task and the management above pushing you were the cause |
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| 17:47.37 | kspath | maq0r: I only had to tweak my .cf once every 3-6 months at most and it was a new feature that management wanted or a co-worker thought was cute |
| 17:47.41 | starfishy | oh, now i get it, aptitude wants to deinstall dbus-1 to install dbus but dbus-glib-1 depends on dbus-1 so thats where the dependency problem is |
| 17:47.41 | Genscher | stew: i have mysql-server installed and "aptitude show mysql-server" sais, that it conflicts with "mysql-server-4.1". do i have to remove mysql-server before i install 4.1 via aptitude? or does aptitude does handle it? |
| 17:47.53 | stew | Genscher: it will handle it |
| 17:47.58 | mhall | kspath: but !!! you understand cf format |
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| 17:48.09 | mhall | kspath: therefore you are already beyond lisp and scheme |
| 17:48.10 | Genscher | stew: thank you. i'll try it :) |
| 17:48.18 | lolaaa | Eulex that didn't help |
| 17:48.20 | maq0r | Oh I agree, but you know, using a sendmail is like driving a mercedes, at first it's all luxury and the status quo of saying "Hey I drive a luxury car despite what people say about driving a german car", but when it breaks down and then you can't track down a mechanic and parts cost a lot and it takes a lot to repair and it gets stolen a lot you sort of get tired of it :P |
| 17:48.22 | kspath | mhall: well, maybe maybe not |
| 17:48.32 | Eulex | lolaaa, define "didn't help" |
| 17:48.39 | mhall | maq0r: _SO_ true |
| 17:48.43 | mixter | hi! i'm trying to connect an usb hub to my computer, but i get the following error "usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=4 (error=-71)"... this is the second hub that i'm trying (and they both work just fine on another computer). what could be wrong? do i need to load a usb-hub-module? |
| 17:48.43 | NOthsouth | my crontab don't work! |
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| 17:48.53 | NOthsouth | it don't execut any .sh |
| 17:48.54 | mhall | maq0r: truer words have never been spoken |
| 17:49.02 | maq0r | :) |
| 17:49.21 | stew | i never would have guessed that i would see someone equate sendmail with luxury |
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| 17:49.23 | mixter | NOthsouth: have you made your .sh-files excecutable? chmod 755 file.sh? |
| 17:49.42 | mixter | NOthsouth: could you execute them "by hand"? |
| 17:49.44 | NOthsouth | mixter, yes I do.. chmod 777 |
| 17:49.48 | NOthsouth | yes ai can |
| 17:49.48 | kspath | stew: it is subject. dependent on their definition. |
| 17:49.52 | kspath | ive |
| 17:50.03 | mixter | NOthsouth: and it's just your .sh-files? could you add other files? |
| 17:50.04 | Gnea | maq0r: heh |
| 17:50.06 | lolaaa | Eulex, nothing. No browsing or any connectivity. Sorry if i'm lazy because i'm online from my phone |
| 17:50.12 | stew | NOthsouth: are you putting a script in one of the /etc/cron* directories? |
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| 17:50.21 | kspath | sorry those three letters were caught in my keyboard buffer and dribbled out |
| 17:50.27 | mhall | dpkg, sendmail rant is using sendmail is like driving a mercedes, at first it's all luxury and the status quo of saying "hey I drive a luxury car despite what people say about driving a german car," but when it breaks down and then you can't track down a mechanic and parts cost a lot and it takes a lot to repair and it gets stolen a lot you sort of get tired of it. --maq0r |
| 17:50.27 | dpkg | mhall: okay |
| 17:50.28 | NOthsouth | stew, no |
| 17:50.32 | Eulex | lolaaa, can you ping the router? can you resolve dns'es? can you ping ip's outside your lan? |
| 17:50.34 | stew | NOthsouth: with crontab -e? |
| 17:50.39 | NOthsouth | stew yes |
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| 17:50.52 | mhall | maq0r: there it's been committed to institutional memory |
| 17:50.53 | NOthsouth | i just put a line on crontab -e .. my script are in /home/user/script.sh |
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| 17:51.09 | maq0r | haha |
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| 17:51.13 | maq0r | : |
| 17:51.16 | NOthsouth | Do I need paste on /etc/cron ? |
| 17:51.44 | mhall | maq0r: looks like sendmail cut half of your head off your smily like a chainsaw |
| 17:51.51 | stew | NOthsouth: no, i was guessing /etc/cron* becuase scripts in those directories that ended in .sh would be ignored there, but it should work from a crontab entry |
| 17:51.51 | mixter | NOthsouth: i've just put my crontab-files in /etc/cron.d, or added entries to /etc/crontab (the former is to prefer) |
| 17:51.56 | elboss | Hi, I'm italian and I have a problem with the printer and cups |
| 17:51.57 | starfishy | notsouth, is your cron running? |
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| 17:52.04 | kspath | mhall: I have a correction for the chucky page. |
| 17:52.05 | stew | NOthsouth: have you checked mail for whomever gets root's mail? |
| 17:52.06 | starfishy | !it |
| 17:52.06 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 17:52.06 | valdyn | !tell elboss -about ask |
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| 17:52.17 | stew | NOthsouth: can you show us the line from crontab? |
| 17:52.18 | NOthsouth | stew no |
| 17:52.23 | lolaaa | Eulex i can ping the router and another computer on my lan but can not ping google.com |
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| 17:52.45 | valdyn | lolaaa: can you ping google.com's IP? |
| 17:52.45 | Eulex | lolaaa, can you ping 64.233.187.99? |
| 17:52.48 | kspath | mhall: The chief export of Chuck Norris is pain. (should read) The chief export of the nation of Chuck Norris is pain? |
| 17:52.59 | kspath | mhall: no? |
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| 17:53.08 | lolaaa | I don't know what it's ip is |
| 17:53.14 | elboss | I had installated cups server and cups client but when I try to print the printer don't print |
| 17:53.36 | Eulex | lolaaa, 64.233.187.99 |
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| 17:53.45 | valdyn | elboss: have you setup a printer on http://localhost:631/ ? |
| 17:54.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've had worse lags |
| 17:54.05 | elboss | one moment, I go there |
| 17:54.07 | lolaaa | Its unreachable |
| 17:54.19 | kspath | I wish I had class. |
| 17:54.29 | elboss | I have configured the printer with http://localhost:631 and... |
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| 17:55.04 | Eulex | checked the connection status in the router? can you access the net from other computers? |
| 17:55.05 | Genscher | stew: it worked without problems! thank you very much. only phpmyadmin suggest to use 'mysql_fix_privilege_tables' because the privilege table structure seems to be older...is it save to run the command? |
| 17:55.12 | lolaaa | I have the router's admin page opened if you want me to do anything over there as i had reset the router |
| 17:55.20 | valdyn | elboss: 'grep -i hint /var/log/cups/error_log' |
| 17:55.20 | maq0r | mhall Yes it did |
| 17:55.25 | lolaaa | No, both systems are down. |
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| 17:55.29 | maq0r | That's why I drive a Toyota now |
| 17:55.46 | stew | Genscher: that i don't know about, you might check /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-4.1/* especially the README.Debian to see if it is mentioned |
| 17:56.16 | elboss | when I go for see the jobs of printer I try to restart job but this is the problem: client-error-not-possible |
| 17:56.19 | Eulex | lolaaa, and it used to work on both computers? |
| 17:56.40 | elboss | I don't know what do |
| 17:56.43 | lolaaa | Yup, before the reset |
| 17:56.47 | valdyn | elboss: 'grep -i hint /var/log/cups/error_log' |
| 17:57.15 | Genscher | stew: thank you for your time. :) |
| 17:57.21 | elboss | I must type this to root? |
| 17:57.29 | valdyn | elboss: as root |
| 17:57.37 | elboss | ok |
| 17:58.01 | joaopaulo | is a good choice use vmware to run prograns like winxp with photoshop, corel draw ? it will be hard ? |
| 17:58.13 | joaopaulo | vmware on linux |
| 17:58.26 | sancho___ | joaopaulo: not hard. |
| 17:58.33 | stew | Genscher: you're welcome |
| 17:58.50 | pipeline | joaopaulo: Photoshop will run under wine. Just use "sidenet config" to get wine setup. http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html |
| 17:58.58 | elboss | do! do you want the output? |
| 17:58.59 | harm1988 | can some one help me with the apache2 php module iam not sure if it is working |
| 17:59.06 | maq0r | Is not hard, but you'll of course need vmware/winxp/photoshop licenses |
| 17:59.09 | valdyn | elboss: yes |
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| 17:59.25 | Gnea | harm1988: didn't you look at the configuration files and logfiles? |
| 17:59.31 | sancho___ | harm1988: have you tried the phpinfo() test? |
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| 17:59.36 | stew | harm1988: what have you tried so far, what makes you say it isn't working? |
| 17:59.56 | maq0r | I haven't used vmware in a while, but it runs most applications really good, as long as they don't use directx or opengl it should be fine |
| 17:59.59 | maq0r | and if they do, try wine |
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| 18:00.10 | lolaaa | Eulex? |
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| 18:00.40 | Eulex | lolaaa, yes? |
| 18:00.43 | maq0r | I'm gone, see ya guys later |
| 18:00.52 | elboss | one moment because I must paste a mano |
| 18:00.56 | lolaaa | My problem.... |
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| 18:01.43 | lolaaa | I have the router's admin page opened if you want me to do something in there |
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| 18:02.23 | Eulex | lolaaa, I dunno, but did you say that everything was working ok before on both machines and now internet doesn't work on any of them? |
| 18:02.26 | elboss | Hint: do you have ESP Ghostscript installed? Hint: try setting the LogLevel to "debug". |
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| 18:02.39 | NOthsouth | where is the root mail on my system ?? |
| 18:02.47 | lolaaa | Yes |
| 18:02.54 | lolaaa | I did say that |
| 18:02.57 | elboss | valdyn, you understand something? |
| 18:03.05 | Nowak | any idea what might be overwritting /etc/mtab between exec /bin/run-init /newroot /sbin/init "$@" and /etc/rcS.d/S02mountvirtfs ? :D |
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| 18:03.35 | stew | NOthsouth: "grep root: /etc/aliases" should tell you who receives root's mail, if nobody then it would be in /var/spool/mail/root |
| 18:05.02 | elboss | valdyn, |
| 18:05.25 | Eulex | lolaaa, that probably means that your internet connection is down (at the level of somewhere in between your isp and router) though then I dunno how you managed to get here. |
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| 18:06.04 | lolaaa | Eulex, like i said, my cell phone :) |
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| 18:06.38 | lolaaa | Well ok thanks anyway |
| 18:06.57 | lolaaa | Time to hit the sack |
| 18:07.01 | Eulex | lolaaa, ah |
| 18:07.02 | abrotman | stew: or elsewhere depending on the mta |
| 18:07.04 | lolaaa | Bye bye |
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| 18:07.23 | Eulex | lolaaa, bye |
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| 18:08.13 | Zebbrino | uqualcuno che parla italiano? |
| 18:08.16 | abrotman | !it |
| 18:08.16 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:08.47 | kspath | caio belli |
| 18:08.58 | elboss | dpkg, are you italian? |
| 18:09.11 | kspath | dpkg is a bot |
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| 18:09.18 | elboss | Zebbrino, io parlo italiano |
| 18:09.25 | unlearn | hehehe |
| 18:09.29 | Tortel | !it |
| 18:09.30 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 18:09.47 | elboss | !it |
| 18:09.47 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 18:10.04 | elboss | ok thanks |
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| 18:10.41 | kspath | elboss: they are hinting that is in an english only(solo) channel |
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| 18:11.15 | Eulex | !english |
| 18:11.15 | dpkg | i heard english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 18:11.20 | joaopaulo | pipeline, thanks. did u know if dreamweaver run on wine too ? |
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| 18:11.46 | kspath | dpkg is poorly educated. |
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| 18:12.41 | Lee__ | dreamweaver on wine...my oh my... |
| 18:12.56 | kspath | Merican Anglish is especially twisted. |
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| 18:13.34 | omry | LVM : what can I do to re-gain access to a logical volumes in a volume group after one of the drives in the volume group died? |
| 18:14.02 | kspath | !moo |
| 18:14.02 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 18:15.02 | zenwryly | I note that the testing installer didn't ask me about security updates and I don't see a security line in apt/sources.list. Is this as it should be? |
| 18:15.03 | fwind_cmd | anybody home? |
| 18:15.10 | elboss | kspath, I understand something of english |
| 18:15.22 | kspath | elboss: I do not. |
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| 18:15.52 | kspath | elboss: My ignorance is a great crevasse, an abyss even so. |
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| 18:20.48 | kspath | !ewe |
| 18:20.48 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
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| 18:21.04 | slewis | is there another place to get linux headers other than devian.org since that site is broken? |
| 18:21.28 | julls | buenas |
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| 18:22.19 | kspath | Guerin: thanks again for debtags tip it is quite sweet overall works better for me than apt-cache or ara or apt-file so far |
| 18:22.20 | justin | slewis: uh, debian.org |
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| 18:22.35 | slewis | downloads are not working |
| 18:22.42 | justin | slewis: says you |
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| 18:24.16 | HelmutG | Are there tools to recover "lost" raidtabs? |
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| 18:25.40 | justin | HelmutG: you mean the file? you don't need the file for anything, all the important information is stored on the drives |
| 18:25.59 | slewis | justin: packages.debian.org is down at the moment due to performance issues. |
| 18:26.12 | slewis | theres your debian |
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| 18:26.29 | abrotman | slewis: use your browser .. navigate the ftp site .. it's not hard |
| 18:26.31 | justin | slewis: you don't need packages.debian.org to download files. |
| 18:26.50 | HelmutG | justin: ok. is there some howto on what to do if I have four partitions of type 0xfd ("linux raid autodetect")? |
| 18:27.02 | _rene_ | slewis: err? there's ftp. and apt-get anyway. |
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| 18:27.09 | justin | HelmutG: poke at them with mdadm |
| 18:27.10 | azeem | slewis: packages.debian.org is down so that ftp.debian.org can work :) |
| 18:27.21 | HelmutG | justin: I assume that this needs the "old" md driver, not the "new" lvm2 stuff, right? |
| 18:27.41 | justin | HelmutG: lvm and md are two separate things |
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| 18:28.22 | HelmutG | justin: you can build software raids with both. |
| 18:28.38 | justin | HelmutG: lvm can do raid5 and stuff? |
| 18:29.10 | valdyn | elboss: apt-get install gs-esp |
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| 18:29.33 | slewis | ok. i'm on ftp.debian.org but which directory are the linux-headers in? |
| 18:29.38 | HelmutG | justin: not sure about raid5, but striping and mirroring is supported. |
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| 18:31.01 | HelmutG | justin: anyway mdadm (-E) is usefull. thanks. :) |
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| 18:31.55 | nkuttler | slewis: somewhere in /debian/pool/main/ probably |
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| 18:32.56 | tjansson | How do see wheter a program is installed on my system with apt-get? |
| 18:33.02 | tlivingston | I have a new laptop and i cant get Deb to install on it properly. Its an intel Centrino Duo (dual core). Cant seem to find if Debian supports that system. anyone know off hand, or can point me in the right direction? |
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| 18:34.29 | abrotman | which installer ? |
| 18:34.33 | slewis | debian/pool/main was not found on this server |
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| 18:34.44 | tlivingston | stable netinstall , linux26 option |
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| 18:34.56 | nkuttler | slewis: search it |
| 18:35.10 | Ronin | oh that cant be good, power just went out here |
| 18:35.10 | tlivingston | abrotman, i think i tried testing as well |
| 18:35.20 | slewis | the search function is broken. i have searched google and nothing |
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| 18:35.29 | tlivingston | abrotman, doesnt seem to recognize the netwrk hardware properly |
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| 18:35.47 | infoB | hello, what is the most common console (text) web browser. (i need convinient way not to leave console)... |
| 18:35.49 | nkuttler | do you know what an ftp client is? |
| 18:36.08 | slewis | sure do |
| 18:36.10 | Ronin | oh that cant be good, power just went out here |
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| 18:36.54 | sam_ | I've somehow managed to lock myself out of my machine |
| 18:36.56 | sam_ | altogether |
| 18:37.21 | sam_ | login and other auth methods where pam is the backend bail before so much as asking for a password |
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| 18:37.37 | kspath | Ronin: I hope they are not geniuses with VoIP phones without battery backup or a PBX the same |
| 18:37.42 | jimb0 | im getting the error: |
| 18:37.44 | jimb0 | "X: warning; process set to priority -1" |
| 18:37.46 | jimb0 | on boot |
| 18:37.48 | jimb0 | after a KDE crash |
| 18:37.52 | nkuttler | sam_: what did you do? |
| 18:37.56 | jimb0 | google is being surprisingly non-helpful in the matter |
| 18:37.56 | sam_ | this, after pulling a major screwup yesterday and setting experimental in my apt preferences way too high |
| 18:37.59 | sam_ | and doing an upgrade |
| 18:38.10 | nkuttler | sam_: from what to what? |
| 18:38.12 | sam_ | (there's the part where i did something dumb) |
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| 18:38.49 | sam_ | testing priority 500, and at time of upgrade, experimental priority 1000 |
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| 18:39.33 | abrotman | tlivingston: and your NIC would be what? |
| 18:39.59 | Thrudvang | can anyone tell me how to login as root? (just installed debian =P) |
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| 18:40.12 | Lopuz | hi, i get this error message |
| 18:40.16 | Lopuz | Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/guichan/libguichan0_0.4.0-4_i386.deb Size mismatch |
| 18:40.20 | Ronin | Thrudvang: log on as your user, open a term and type su then the root password |
| 18:40.23 | Lopuz | when i do apt-get install |
| 18:40.30 | Thrudvang | ok thx ill try |
| 18:40.32 | sam_ | Lopuz: apt-get update |
| 18:40.43 | jimb0 | thrud: also try google |
| 18:40.44 | Ronin | Thrudvang: its not a good thing to log onto x directly as root |
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| 18:41.40 | tlivingston | abrotman, Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945ABG, Broadcom 440x 10/100 |
| 18:41.44 | Thrudvang | okej what should i do then, im all new to linux and debian |
| 18:41.53 | secher | Ok, on startx, xauth says it can't find libXext.so.6, which is in /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6. what to do? |
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| 18:42.01 | tlivingston | abrotman, first sign of failure is DHCP detection |
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| 18:42.18 | Cyis | is it so hard to get debootstrap to *NOT* install exim4 and instaead install postfix? |
| 18:42.29 | abrotman | tlivingston: did you try the b44 driver ? |
| 18:42.32 | Ronin | Thrudvang: you do what my first suggestion was |
| 18:42.47 | sam_ | ok so can anyone offer any tips on debugging pam? |
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| 18:42.50 | abrotman | tlivingston: and i have no clue about youw wifi .. if it's not ipw2100/2000 .. you're gonna have to google a bit |
| 18:42.57 | Lopuz | sam_, didnt help with apt-get update |
| 18:42.57 | tlivingston | abrotman, how do i select drivers during intstall? |
| 18:43.08 | sam_ | Lopuz: try a different mirror |
| 18:43.10 | abrotman | tlivingston: go to another console and modprobe b44 ? |
| 18:43.21 | sam_ | that's all i can offer, sorry if it doesn't help after that |
| 18:43.32 | Lee__ | Cyis, you can roll your own d-i version with a Postfix udeb |
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| 18:43.48 | Lee__ | check the d-i wiki. there's info on there. |
| 18:44.00 | ph8 | hi guys, i don't appear to be able to connect to mysql-5 servers with the latest sarge client (-4.1 i believe) - do you know anyway i can install mysql client 5? |
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| 18:44.23 | nkuttler | sam_: remove the experimental packages and install working ones? |
| 18:44.41 | sam_ | nkuttler: yeah, i've gone as far back as i can |
| 18:44.43 | abrotman | tlivingston: http://www.intel.com/support/notebook/sb/cs-006408.htm |
| 18:44.58 | abrotman | tlivingston: that answers about your wifi |
| 18:44.59 | Cyis | I tried running with "--include=postfix --exclude=exim4,exim4-config,exim4-base,exim4-daemon-light" yet it still selects exim4 to install then craps out when trying to install postfix with exim installed but not configured |
| 18:45.00 | Lopuz | sam_, didnt help :P |
| 18:45.19 | nkuttler | sam_: i guess that gets logged in auth.log, not sure though |
| 18:45.26 | sam_ | maybe i should bring experimental back into my apt preferences and set testing as a higher priority and dist-upgrade or something |
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| 18:45.51 | tlivingston | abrotman, thx |
| 18:45.56 | Lee__ | Cyis, is it so hard to do that postinstallation? Or are you automating a large deployment? |
| 18:46.02 | NOthsouth | where can I see cron logs ? |
| 18:46.03 | abrotman | tlivingston: b44 work ? |
| 18:46.16 | CosmoDad | trying to switch to UTF-8 with sarge, but fail... there's an howto on the net, but it seems to be outdated (2001). UTF-8 is really troublesome, is there any up-to-date guide available? |
| 18:46.26 | Cyis | Lee__: I'm just trying to make a chroot image to use as a base for Xen domU installs |
| 18:46.26 | tlivingston | abrotman, I have to reboot here in a sec... Im in WinXP at the moment (at work) |
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| 18:46.46 | Lee__ | Cyis, than just do that change post installation. It's real quick. |
| 18:47.07 | abrotman | tlivingston: ah ok |
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| 18:47.11 | abrotman | tlivingston: is it a Dell ? |
| 18:47.12 | Cyis | it's just an annoyance as it gladly obeys my request to not install portmap and nfs-common but ignores the exim exclusion |
| 18:47.21 | Lee__ | file a bug report |
| 18:47.26 | tlivingston | abrotman, Think the kernel should handle the dual core okay? |
| 18:47.33 | tlivingston | abrotman, naw, its an Acer |
| 18:47.40 | abrotman | tlivingston: not sure .. maybe the SMP kernel |
| 18:47.46 | abrotman | but at least to install .. the regular should be fine |
| 18:47.49 | tlivingston | abrotman, SMP? |
| 18:47.53 | abrotman | !smp |
| 18:47.53 | dpkg | smp is, like, (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing |
| 18:48.01 | tlivingston | i keep forgetting about ! :-) |
| 18:48.11 | abrotman | makes life dull eh? |
| 18:48.46 | tlivingston | this machine smokes in windows, i REALLY want to see it on linux |
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| 18:49.03 | kspath | imagine laptops with 4 hours battery life, 4 cores, 4 GB RAM plus solid state drives that will be amazing |
| 18:49.12 | grumillo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.18 | Cyis | I thought it might have been trying to install exim because all the dependencies for postifx weren't met... but they are |
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| 18:49.40 | Cyis | cd |
| 18:49.54 | seb- | easiest way to remove KDE and GNOME packages from a Debian PC? |
| 18:49.55 | chealer | hum, joerg jaspert flaming with martin schulze...this looks bad :S |
| 18:50.15 | ph8 | i don't appear to be able to connect to mysql-5 servers with the latest sarge client (-4.1 i believe) - do you know anyway i can install mysql client 5? |
| 18:50.26 | NOthsouth | where can I see crontab logs ? |
| 18:50.28 | nkuttler | seb-: /msg dpkg remove kde|gnome |
| 18:50.37 | Azar | yp multitasking too, could cook on them and save gas |
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| 18:51.16 | seb- | nkuttler: i didn't get the msg? did you? |
| 18:51.23 | seb- | lemmit try.. |
| 18:51.33 | seb- | seb-: /msg dpkg remove kde |
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| 18:51.39 | secher | Ok, on startx, xauth says it can't find libXext.so.6, which is in /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6. what to do? |
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| 18:51.42 | abrotman | !tell seb- about remove kde |
| 18:51.46 | abrotman | !tell seb- about remove gnome |
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| 18:52.17 | seb- | thanks |
| 18:52.54 | kspath | abrotman: I heard that some dual core procs are running same temp or nearly same as the procs they are meant to replace. Though I will believe that after 3-6 months of real world use. |
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| 18:55.00 | slewis | has anyone used EAC on windows and knows of a linux equivilant? |
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| 18:55.27 | stew | slewis: what does EAC do? |
| 18:55.39 | valdy | I need configure freeradius with snmp, I try it but i get "Debug: SMUX register message send failed: Broken pipe" |
| 18:55.45 | slewis | cd audio extractor and encodder |
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| 18:56.02 | slewis | encoder |
| 18:56.21 | slewis | features error correction |
| 18:56.23 | Eulex | slewis, try abcde. |
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| 18:56.29 | slewis | bit to bit dupplication |
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| 18:56.47 | valdyn | slewis: there's a ton of frontends supporting cdparanoia |
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| 18:57.07 | linuxfreck | slewis: or try grip |
| 18:57.09 | Eulex | slewis, the part of the job that is supposed to be done by the driver, you mean? |
| 18:57.12 | Doctor | hey what do I use to make a script start up at boot? something to mess with links in /etc/rc[0-9].d |
| 18:57.19 | stew | slewis: what do you mean by encoder? mp3? ogg? something else? |
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| 18:57.36 | Eulex | !tell Doctor about init.d |
| 18:57.41 | slewis | everything |
| 18:57.47 | slewis | mp3, ogg, flac |
| 18:57.50 | azeem | stew: I think it mostly trying hard on the ripping part, you can snap it some encoders as well though |
| 18:57.57 | Doctor | thanks |
| 18:58.02 | azeem | slewis: grip and sound-juicer are graphical ones |
| 18:58.08 | Eulex | Doctor, yw |
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| 18:58.14 | azeem | jack and abcde are console ones |
| 18:58.23 | Eulex | abcde pnwz |
| 18:58.26 | atula | hi. how do I check if mySQL server is working? |
| 18:58.36 | slewis | i'm using sound juicer, but i don't know if it uses error correction |
| 18:58.45 | [C]167 | "ps ax | grep mysql" i guess? |
| 18:58.53 | [C]167 | afk |
| 18:59.04 | Eulex | slewis, error correction is supposed to be done by the driver. |
| 18:59.25 | valdyn | Eulex: not on CD audio |
| 18:59.33 | stew | slewis: however debian cannot distribute mp3 encoders becuase they are covered by patents in some countries, but they are available elsewhere, the most common being the "lame" package available from marillat, /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 18:59.51 | slewis | i don't want mp3, i use flac and ogg |
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| 19:00.27 | valdyn | slewis: look at cdparanoia, sound-juicer at least does not seem to let you configure its ripper |
| 19:00.30 | opensores | how can i install rar on sarge (apt-get install rar doesn't work) |
| 19:00.37 | slewis | EAC using a bit to bit extraction and is considered the best of bread on windows |
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| 19:00.44 | adii | can someone explain me how to get reaktivate ? i don't understand the way svn work |
| 19:00.46 | slewis | i mean breed |
| 19:01.09 | elephantMan | Hi all |
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| 19:01.14 | Eulex | valdyn, yes, that's the case when the cd drive sends the audio directly to the soundcard. but is it the case too when reading the audio digitally from the cd? |
| 19:01.15 | elephantMan | How can i list unmounted parti ? |
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| 19:01.31 | azeem | sound-juicer uses cdparanoia through gstreamer |
| 19:01.34 | Eulex | elephantMan, fdisk -l will lits both mounted and unmounted. |
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| 19:02.14 | valdyn | Eulex: on cd audio you cannot do 'error correction' deterministically, only empirically |
| 19:02.35 | valdyn | Eulex: so these tools just read the same parts again and again if they seem faulty |
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| 19:03.04 | Eulex | valdy, hmm, ok. thought audio was stored in the same way as data. guess I was wrong. |
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| 19:03.33 | Eulex | *valdyn |
| 19:03.46 | secher | !xauth |
| 19:03.46 | dpkg | ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or really in xbase-clients |
| 19:03.48 | Eulex | tab completion is evil. who's valdy, btw? |
| 19:04.00 | valdy | xD. |
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| 19:04.24 | Eulex | hehe, ty :) |
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| 19:04.31 | ||valdy|| | :> |
| 19:04.34 | ||valdy|| | dont worry. |
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| 19:05.14 | slewis | can some suggest an itunes like app for linux? |
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| 19:05.33 | Eulex | slewis, rhythmbox, quod libet |
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| 19:05.48 | slewis | other than rythymukebox |
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| 19:06.06 | valdyn | !44100*60*74*2*2 |
| 19:06.07 | dpkg | 783216000 |
| 19:06.07 | slewis | it's kinda buggy and has no features |
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| 19:06.26 | slewis | somethine like j river media center 11 would be perfect |
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| 19:06.35 | Eulex | slewis, I'd recommend quod libet then. |
| 19:06.35 | belkin | doesn work |
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| 19:06.38 | valdyn | Eulex: ^^ this much audio you get on a standard size cd, but something like 650MB data only on an iso fs |
| 19:06.42 | belkin | i just try to log in as root |
| 19:07.14 | belkin | in console works, but on gdm start`up it doesnt |
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| 19:07.20 | Eulex | valdyn, ah, ok. audio cds use the error correction bits for storing extra data? |
| 19:07.32 | belkin | it says . invalid username or incorrect password |
| 19:07.36 | valdyn | Eulex: yea |
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| 19:08.17 | stew | valdyn: *2*2 was 16bit 2 channels? |
| 19:08.25 | valdyn | stew: yea |
| 19:08.33 | stew | gotcha |
| 19:08.54 | Eulex | valdyn, ok, thank you for the info :) will remember it |
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| 19:09.26 | monteiro | my sound is detected in the kernel, but alsamixer(in root) can't open the sound :( |
| 19:09.50 | Eulex | monteiro, what kernel? |
| 19:09.51 | valdyn | monteiro: we need precise info to give useful help |
| 19:10.03 | TriKster-Abacus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:10.05 | monteiro | Eulex : 2.6.15.1 |
| 19:10.30 | monteiro | valdyn : i've compiled a new kernel, and i've my sound driver buildt in. |
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| 19:10.55 | Eulex | monteiro, did it work on the stock debian kernel or the kernel you used before this onw? |
| 19:10.55 | valdyn | monteiro: alsa or oss? |
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| 19:10.57 | Eulex | *one |
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| 19:11.27 | monteiro | Eulex : no, i didn't try it, i'm building a new system, and all kernel i compiled the sound works |
| 19:11.28 | hoopotus | Hi! How to activate a 'NTP', in order to let te clock be set automatically to the right time? |
| 19:11.30 | monteiro | valdyn : alsa |
| 19:11.48 | valdyn | monteiro: ls /dev/snd/ |
| 19:12.04 | Eulex | monteiro, "all kernel i compiled the sound works"? |
| 19:12.11 | tyler_ | how can i play audio streams from internet radio with mplayer? |
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| 19:12.29 | monteiro | Eulex : All the kernel i've compiled the sound was working :) |
| 19:12.35 | Eulex | tyler_, #mplayer gave you the answer already. |
| 19:12.53 | monteiro | valdyn : i don't have that directory |
| 19:13.03 | Schnitz | hi all, how can i install an old glibc 2.2.x parallel to my existing one? |
| 19:13.07 | valdyn | monteiro: cat /proc/asound/devices |
| 19:13.07 | Eulex | monteiro, and not with this one? pebkac. why did you compile a kernel at all in the first case? |
| 19:13.22 | TriKster-Abacus | didn't ##slackware already give you the answer also? |
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| 19:13.27 | belkin | why i cannot insert text into a text file using gedit ? |
| 19:13.34 | slewis | interesting, but not as feature rich as j river media center. i guess apps like that are not possible on linux? |
| 19:13.42 | valdyn | Schnitz: not at all in a debian supported way |
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| 19:13.54 | hoopotus | How to activate a 'NTP', in order to let te clock be set automatically to the right time? Does anyone know? |
| 19:14.10 | valdyn | belkin: because you dont have write permissions to that file? |
| 19:14.11 | secher | hoopotus: man ntpdate |
| 19:14.14 | monteiro | Eulex : because i always compile the kernel :) |
| 19:14.24 | Eulex | monteiro, why? |
| 19:14.28 | Eulex | slewis, "not possible"? of course it is possible. |
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| 19:14.38 | bbls | hello |
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| 19:14.38 | valdyn | hoopotus: 'apt-get install ntpdate ntp-simple' |
| 19:14.46 | Schnitz | valdyn, ah ok i'm asking because of informix |
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| 19:14.58 | monteiro | Eulex : fast boot, and no need to load modules |
| 19:14.59 | Schnitz | there's a patch for debian with glibc 2.2.x but not for glibc 2.3.x |
| 19:15.12 | bbls | can an iso image be mounted and booted from a normal partition? |
| 19:15.23 | bahamat | ok, I haven't been using unstable lately, and I just noticed that kernel-image packages are now called linux-image..so do I build them the same way (i.e., with make-kpkg)? |
| 19:15.25 | slewis | i guess no has done it then, eh? |
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| 19:15.36 | slewis | would take too much time? |
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| 19:15.51 | slewis | that is the only thing stopping me fromn doing a full switch |
| 19:16.03 | Eulex | monteiro, true, but if your sound worked on an older kernel you tried, you've (1) hit a bug in the kernel (2) forgot to include something in your kernel config |
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| 19:16.05 | hoopotus | valdyn, thank you |
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| 19:16.17 | valdyn | slewis: im sure jack or abcde have as many features as any windows ripping tool |
| 19:16.30 | sonyman | Does anyone know what is up with http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/macromedia/site_ucsc.html? |
| 19:16.31 | monteiro | Eulex : maybe is that :) tks |
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| 19:17.03 | valdyn | slewis: sound-juicer isnt for the power user anyway, its meant to be just easy |
| 19:17.17 | Eulex | monteiro, at least it has nothing to do with debian. you're using a kernel that is not provided by debian. |
| 19:17.18 | slewis | no, sorry i was talking a bout a different program now |
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| 19:17.34 | slewis | itunes, jriver media center |
| 19:17.37 | monteiro | Eulex : yes, you're right |
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| 19:17.43 | slewis | music jukbox applications |
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| 19:18.08 | valdyn | slewis: quodlibet or rhythmbox or uh, whatever from the lot that exists and I never tried |
| 19:18.11 | Padnah | I am using Kmail and want to know if there is a selection in the configuration that would change the view of transmissions to detailed as presented by clicking the arrow for expand. Currently my view, by default, is not detailed but a single paned progress bar at the lower right or the progress bar, which is totally uninformative to me. Any help? |
| 19:18.21 | valdyn | monteiro: dpkg -l udev |
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| 19:18.55 | Eulex | monteiro, you could try compiling a kernel source that is provided by debian and base your kernel config on debian's. that way you could at least get some support from debian if it breaks. |
| 19:18.59 | chealer | Padnah: ask #debian-kde |
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| 19:19.09 | slewis | yeah, they are light years away from jriver media center |
| 19:19.12 | PupenoL | Hello. |
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| 19:19.18 | Padnah | chealer, thanks. Will do |
| 19:19.22 | slewis | maybe in a few years |
| 19:19.26 | monteiro | Eulex : ok, tks for the advise |
| 19:19.29 | Cyis | hmm... for some reason it seems that the debootstrap "resolve_deps" function is adding exim4 no matter what... now to figure out why |
| 19:19.46 | rizzy | When I run aptitude dist-upgrade I get a e2fsprogs conflicts/predepends error. Apt says I should activate APT::ForceLoopBreak option but it also NOT to do that? |
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| 19:20.02 | stew | rizzy: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 19:20.11 | rizzy | Sweet. |
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| 19:20.39 | belkin | now i just run " sudo passwd root " , will i be able now to login as root right from the login screen ? |
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| 19:20.51 | PupenoL | I am tring to install Debian Sarge in a computer with two SATA HDs and one IDE CD-ROM, I get the error "No common CD-ROM drive was detected", I believe it is this bug: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/12/msg00351.html any workaround to install Debian 3.1 with Linux 2.6 on that machine (Linux 2.4 works, but I need 2.6 for other reasons, Ubuntu with Linux 2.6 works) ? |
| 19:20.59 | valdyn | belkin: no |
| 19:21.08 | Azar | belkin you cannot use X from root |
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| 19:21.21 | Eulex | monteiro, though I'd recommend trying the image of the kernel you're going to compile first, to check that everything on your system will work on that kernel version. if something doesn't work, there's a reason for a bug report. |
| 19:21.32 | valdyn | PupenoL: install with a 2.4 kernel first if that works, you can upgrade that kernel anytime |
| 19:21.46 | monteiro | Eulex : ok, tks |
| 19:21.52 | belkin | Azar and what do i have to do ? |
| 19:21.53 | PupenoL | I tried from floppies, but they only contain linux 2.4, are there any floppies with linux 2.6 ? |
| 19:21.53 | slewis | it sure is hard to get the linux kernel package for 2.6.15? |
| 19:21.54 | monteiro | valdyn : ok |
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| 19:22.12 | g0rg3 | Have anybody seen this error: dpkg: error processing .. malloc failed (1953722327 bytes): Cannot allocate memory ? |
| 19:22.25 | Azar | belkin you can open an xterm in X, type su and root password and act "as root" |
| 19:22.36 | valdyn | g0rg3: is that message hard to understand? |
| 19:22.45 | PupenoL | valdyn: that is what I'll do if I can find a workaround, but with software RAIDs, that is not trivial (the device name of the HD changes and the RAID can't be mounted any longer untill it is fixed by hand). |
| 19:22.52 | Eulex | g0rg3, umh, it's trying to allocate 2gb memory. what package is this and what version of debian is it? |
| 19:22.53 | stew | g0rg3: what were you doing when you got that message? |
| 19:22.56 | willgott | Is it possible to switch a low-level package such as libc6? I converted my debian 3.1 installation to ubuntu and now I need swap debian's libc6-package with ubuntu's. The packages' contents are probably the same, but the ubuntu-base package is dependent upon ubuntu's libc6-package. |
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| 19:23.02 | valdyn | g0rg3: something is trying to allocate ~1.9G of memory, your probably do not have that much |
| 19:23.06 | Azar | belkin when you done and want to exit root, type exit in the xterm |
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| 19:23.11 | g0rg3 | valdyn: not hard to understant, but hard to work around |
| 19:23.17 | Trigger13 | anyone an idea when we can hope for thunderbird 1.5 in unstable? |
| 19:23.19 | Ronin | willgott: now why on earth did you try that? |
| 19:23.21 | belkin | Azar i want sometimes to be root right from the start, so donw log in as a normal user and the runt su or anything else to be root |
| 19:23.25 | jjazz | willgott: What do you mean, you converted your debian install to Ubuntu? |
| 19:23.33 | willgott | jjazz: yes |
| 19:23.37 | abrotman | Trigger13: WIR |
| 19:23.40 | g0rg3 | valdyn: why dpkg want's to allocate 2GB of mem? |
| 19:23.43 | willgott | jjazz: I wanted to try it out |
| 19:23.44 | abrotman | jjazz: did you get more info? |
| 19:23.48 | valdyn | belkin: that is disabled for good reasons, why don't you leave it at that? |
| 19:23.49 | Eulex | Wille88, cross-overs are neither supported by debian nor by ubuntu. you'll have a hard time getting any support for this. |
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| 19:24.07 | abrotman | :misfire Eulex |
| 19:24.12 | abrotman | !misfire me |
| 19:24.12 | Azar | belkin then you have to disable .dm and login then boot in console mode, when you want to use X just move to usermode and type startx |
| 19:24.13 | cipo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.19 | jjazz | willgott: Either you've done something crazy or you've installed Ubuntu. Either way, try #Ubuntu |
| 19:24.20 | freebse | willgott: how did you convert your installation ? This will not be the only problem occuring |
| 19:24.20 | valdyn | g0rg3: i don't know |
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| 19:24.31 | stew | g0rg3: what command had you typed? |
| 19:24.40 | jjazz | abrotman: No, I didn't get a chance to talk to those guys again. |
| 19:24.43 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 19:24.46 | freebse | willgott: it is impossible to convert a debian into a ubuntu |
| 19:24.49 | belkin | valdyn because i cannot browser my mounter hard disk , they are autom. mounted in fstab and i cannot write to them |
| 19:24.52 | willgott | freebse: Changed apt's sources and hit dist-upgrade |
| 19:24.55 | jjazz | abrotman: The conference was kinda hectic |
| 19:24.55 | abrotman | jjazz: it turns out other people i knew were there |
| 19:25.02 | jjazz | abrotman: who? |
| 19:25.08 | abrotman | jjazz: msg? |
| 19:25.10 | g0rg3 | stew: any "dpkg -i <package-file>" leads to this error |
| 19:25.10 | Azar | belkin /msg dpkg nodm |
| 19:25.11 | jjazz | sure |
| 19:25.15 | freebse | willgott: forget it, you just messed up everything |
| 19:25.26 | willgott | freebse: People have reported different results. I think it differs between what release of ubuntu you're trying |
| 19:25.26 | valdyn | belkin: ctrl-alt-f1, log in as root, fix your error |
| 19:25.39 | belkin | valdyn there should be a way just to edit a conf file to set " allow root password to true " you get me ? |
| 19:25.40 | freebse | willgott: it does make no sense at all |
| 19:25.48 | gborzi | hello to everyone, I have a question about debian packaging. Is this the right place ? |
| 19:25.54 | willgott | freebse: Well, things work pretty well |
| 19:25.55 | belkin | valdyn thats not a error |
| 19:26.03 | sonyman | My sound is out of sync with the video in mozilla in Debian Etch. Same problem with flash videos and with mplayer videos. Please help me! |
| 19:26.13 | freebse | gborzi: it is the right place |
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| 19:26.19 | belkin | valdyn i want to be able all the time to write to my others hard disk drivers man , thats why i buy them to use them. to put stuff on it |
| 19:26.20 | pipeline | sonyman: dpkg-reconfigure your mozilla package and choose a different sound wrapper. |
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| 19:26.22 | valdyn | belkin: your X login manager is not permitting root logins, that has nothing to do with sudo or su |
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| 19:26.25 | willgott | freebse: My Gnome-desktop looks very nice, Xorg works too, kernel with drivers are fine etc |
| 19:26.31 | Azar | belkin as valdyn said is another good practice to use Fn keys |
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| 19:26.44 | valdyn | !wikifaq belkin Permissions |
| 19:26.45 | dpkg | belkin: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:26.50 | stew | g0rg3: what version of debian? what version of dpkg? |
| 19:26.53 | dp_ | does anyone have information on why packages.debian.org is down, and when it may be back up? |
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| 19:27.05 | belkin | valdyn i never heard this before man . i could enable root login in suse and fedora and in ubuntu not ? |
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| 19:27.24 | stew | dp_: its down becuase the server that hosts it is overloaded, there is no ETA for it returning |
| 19:27.25 | Luka666 | ellow |
| 19:27.26 | Luka666 | is rpc.statd on port 608 default for a debian machine? |
| 19:27.28 | sonyman | pipeline, I don't get any options for sound wrappers when I run dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-firefox |
| 19:27.37 | Eulex | belkin, you |
| 19:27.38 | g0rg3 | stew: unstable, 1.13.11 (i386) |
| 19:27.40 | valdyn | belkin: 1) you are in the wrong channel for ubuntu support 2) its retarded to use root in order to USE HARDDISK space, read about permissions |
| 19:27.41 | Eulex | 're on ubuntu? |
| 19:27.41 | freebse | willgott: excuse me, but with glibc you starting to get problems... anyway converting does make no sense, make a clean install and problems are gone, simple like that |
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| 19:27.46 | Azar | belkin if you try to fix ubuntu this is not the place to ask |
| 19:27.47 | stew | g0rg3: have you checked the bts? |
| 19:27.49 | dp_ | stew: can you tell me then, where I could find information about libdbd-mysql-perl and the next version? |
| 19:28.01 | g0rg3 | stew: what's bts? |
| 19:28.02 | Azar | belkin ubuntu is NOT debian |
| 19:28.12 | belkin | Azar based |
| 19:28.14 | gborzi | freebse: thanks. I have submitted a package to revu.tauware.de for ubuntu, and one reviewer complained that config.{sub,guess} should not apper in the diff file. |
| 19:28.19 | Eulex | !based on debian |
| 19:28.19 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 19:28.20 | jbroome | !tell g0rg3 about BTS |
| 19:28.22 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 19:28.25 | dpkg | methinks ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 19:28.25 | gborzi | How do I get rid of them ? |
| 19:28.28 | Wowbagger_ | Latest debian testing installer won't detect cd-rom on my toshiba M50 laptop. May be sata related. Any suggestions on how to get it to detect? |
| 19:28.32 | Azar | belkin, still it does not matter, ubuntu does not work like debian |
| 19:28.43 | freebse | gborzi: go to #ubuntu for ubuntu packages questions |
| 19:28.44 | Gnea | belkin: ubuntu is *not* debian. period. |
| 19:28.48 | stew | dp_: "/msg dpkg info libdbd-mysql-perl sid" or replace sid with testing / stable, or try "apt-cache policy packagename" on your machine |
| 19:28.49 | Eulex | Wowbagger_, use the sarge installer. the etch installer is beta. |
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| 19:28.51 | H_DANILO | H_DANILO: » Pérola da vez: [13:25:27] <Lucsrlx`AuEi> (Lucsrlx) H_DANILO t amo vlws ae ;]~ (nº 35393) <== +1? ;( to de saco cheio dessa vida de garanhão |
| 19:28.58 | g0rg3 | stew: i'll try. thanks for your help. |
| 19:28.59 | Eulex | !br |
| 19:28.59 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:29.00 | foobared | hi, when I've sent a find command to dpkg (bot), and he diplays only the first 6 of 11 result, is there a way to "page" somehow to see the rest? |
| 19:29.01 | Gnea | !br |
| 19:29.03 | dp_ | stew: thanks |
| 19:29.10 | gborzi | Ok. Thanks for your patience. |
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| 19:29.12 | willgott | freebse: I can't reinstall unfortunately because I am doing it on a laptop with that only boots from the harddrive. I installed debian on it a couple of years ago with the help of a special PCMCIA-CDROM |
| 19:29.14 | valdyn | belkin: the fact that suse might be trading one of the basic unix lessons for a little newbie convenience doesnt make this any more reasonable at all |
| 19:29.15 | belkin | Azar ok then . you help me with my problem , lets forget about being root |
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| 19:29.37 | Azar | belkin maybe ubuntu allows you to use X in root, Debian does not. |
| 19:29.46 | jbroome | belkin: we haven't forgotten that you're running ubuntu |
| 19:29.53 | belkin | Azar i edit my /etc/fstab an set mount point to my hard disk ( secound one ) |
| 19:29.57 | pipeline | sonyman: eh |
| 19:29.59 | Gnea | belkin: you will get nowhere telling people to simply help you. |
| 19:30.08 | Azar | belkin when you will install Debian we will help you |
| 19:30.10 | Eulex | belkin, ubuntu disables the root account completely by default. off to #ubuntu with ya. |
| 19:30.14 | ircdevil | !ubuntosmite |
| 19:30.25 | jbroome | !ubuntusmite |
| 19:30.28 | Wowbagger_ | Eulex: I did try that, and managed to get a 2.6.8-? kernel installed... but it won't boot (pivot_root error). I suspect this is related to sata problems in that kernel. I think the ich6 sata stuff is fixed in newer kernels. Any idea how to get around this problem? |
| 19:30.30 | freebse | willgott: well why dio you want to mess up a running system, any problem now occuring is actually a problem you could have avoided... so bad luck (excuse me, but I still can't beleive somebody done something stupid like that) |
| 19:30.30 | Gnea | belkin: you will now join the #ubuntu channel and ask there. |
| 19:30.33 | jbroome | gah |
| 19:30.37 | Azar | haha wow |
| 19:30.53 | Luka666 | is rpc.statd on port 608 default for a debian machine? |
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| 19:31.23 | belkin | fuck sick . now i realise that im in debian help channel asking to get help for ubuntu ;)) |
| 19:31.25 | belkin | sorry lads |
| 19:31.28 | Gnea | this stupid wifi scanner isn't detecting a thing |
| 19:31.43 | Eulex | Wowbagger_, if the 2.4 kernel works, use it until you've installed debian, then get a newer kernel. if that doesn't work: |
| 19:31.44 | jbroome | belkin: what was your first clue? 5 peoiple telling you the same thing? |
| 19:31.45 | Kurtism | wtf |
| 19:31.48 | abrotman | Gnea: cross antennae! |
| 19:31.49 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 19:31.49 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.12 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
| 19:31.51 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 19:31.51 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 19:31.51 | freebse | willgott: besides since this packages are related to ubuntu, you should go there and ask, but they will tell you the same... |
| 19:31.57 | belkin | :) |
| 19:31.57 | Kurtism | lads |
| 19:31.59 | Gnea | abrotman: heh. swscanner is crap |
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| 19:32.02 | Luka666 | belkin thats a standard ;> |
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| 19:32.22 | Kurtism | who's the cyrus maintainer? |
| 19:32.26 | abrotman | !maint cyrus |
| 19:32.35 | abrotman | which cyrus package? |
| 19:32.35 | Kurtism | !maint cyrus |
| 19:32.38 | _luca | any ideas for crashes on rebooting the system? |
| 19:32.40 | Kurtism | cyrus-imapd |
| 19:32.41 | Wowbagger_ | Eulex: Thanks. Will try 2.4. |
| 19:32.42 | Gnea | Kurtism: apt-cache show cyrus-<package> | grep Maintainer |
| 19:32.45 | abrotman | !maint cyrus-imapd |
| 19:32.50 | willgott | freebse: I went to Ubuntu because of people like you |
| 19:32.51 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 19:32.54 | Kurtism | er cyrus21-imapd |
| 19:33.02 | Eulex | Wowbagger_, btw, is this possibly an ich6m? intel 915gm? |
| 19:33.18 | Kurtism | !maint cyrus21-imapd |
| 19:33.20 | dpkg | cyrus21-imapd: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> |
| 19:33.25 | Wowbagger_ | ich6m, yes. Not sure what 915gm is. |
| 19:33.25 | Gnea | willgott: because you didn't know how to read, respect and understand? |
| 19:33.26 | valdyn | i doubt swscanner is at fault if 'iwconfig <iface> scanning' doesnt find stuff. |
| 19:33.47 | Gnea | valdyn: i'm trying to find something that's "easy" |
| 19:33.48 | valdyn | ops, 'iwlist <iface> scanning' |
| 19:33.57 | Gnea | point, click and give me a list of AP's |
| 19:34.04 | Gnea | bitch. :) |
| 19:34.07 | _luca | or... any ideas for the SATA HD led always on; i read about a kernel bug... |
| 19:34.11 | freebse | willgott: ppl like me will tell you that you are an idiot doing this, and besides everybody serious in ubuntu will tell you the same, it is stupid and that is all.. |
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| 19:34.49 | Wowbagger_ | Eulex: Am I doomed? |
| 19:34.49 | valdyn | Gnea: kismet! |
| 19:34.51 | Eulex | Wowbagger_, an intel chipset. I've got an ich6m too, sitting in a dell inspiron 6000 with a 915gm chipset. the 2.4 kernel will most likely work. after installing, get the 2.6.12 kernel from packages.debian.org (just dpkg -i it). |
| 19:35.00 | stew | willgott: if you are running a system which is part ubuntu / part debian, neither ubuntu nor debian is going to want to support you, our suggestion would be to pick one and reinstall, then stick with it |
| 19:35.14 | Gnea | valdyn: yeah, you gotta run a daemon with that and all of this other horsecrap.... ok, i'll try it ;) |
| 19:35.33 | Wowbagger_ | Eulex: Ok... Will try it. Thanks. |
| 19:35.35 | azeem | freebse: people are no idiots just because of that, one can make honest mistakes |
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| 19:36.07 | valdyn | Gnea: wireless on linux is just messy, unfortunately |
| 19:36.08 | sonyman | pipeline, any other suggestions? Its been out of sync for over a week now and I've gotten no answers |
| 19:36.12 | freebse | stew, azeem: ya well follow what he was saying |
| 19:36.43 | stew | freebse: yes, but commenting on your perception of his intelligence is not constructive, if you don't wish to be constructive, please just keep quiet |
| 19:36.54 | Eulex | Wowbagger_, yw |
| 19:37.08 | tyler_ | anyone here can help me with streaming audio? wanna listen to internet radio with mplayer? |
| 19:37.10 | pipeline | sonyman: Well, it's normal for flash to be out of sync. |
| 19:37.13 | freebse | stew: well all right I mam the idiot, maybe you can help him then |
| 19:37.26 | pipeline | sonyman: mplayer plugin audio being out of sync, other than for quicktime, is not normal. |
| 19:37.30 | valdyn | tyler_: to which stream ( url please ) |
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| 19:37.56 | Gnea | all i saw was a comment putting debian down because of "people like someone or other" |
| 19:38.15 | freebse | stew: I told him he messed up his system... he said no he didn't... so what word would you use. Anyway, sorry for that, but he wasn't really nice as well |
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| 19:38.19 | unlearn | debian rules |
| 19:38.21 | tyler_ | mplayer http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=1346&file=filename.pls |
| 19:38.26 | tyler_ | valdyn, |
| 19:38.28 | stew | freebse: just use /ignore and move on then |
| 19:38.42 | sonyman | pipeline, flash is out of sync by 1 full second |
| 19:38.43 | unlearn | tyler u can use xmms to listen to shoutcast |
| 19:38.45 | Eulex | tyler_, download the .pls and get the real url out of it. |
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| 19:38.54 | freebse | Gnea: right, ppl like me, well I just told him idiot, and ... right let's ignore it... let's move on |
| 19:39.12 | Kurtism | is there a forum for each Debian Package anywhere? |
| 19:39.14 | Eulex | tyler_, .pls files are playlists. mplayer doesn't support them. |
| 19:39.15 | tyler_ | Eulex, the moment i click on it, gxine comes up, i hate xine, too heavy |
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| 19:39.25 | freebse | stew: a.r. sorry but he drove me crazy :) move on |
| 19:39.26 | Eulex | tyler_, save as? |
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| 19:39.32 | Gnea | freebse: name-calling without any credibility does an awkward situation make |
| 19:39.43 | streuner | Kurtism: would be HARD, any idea how many packages are out there? |
| 19:39.59 | pipeline | sonyman: That's perfectly normal. Flash sucks on linux and OSX. |
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| 19:40.17 | sonyman | pipeline, but its fine in konquerer... |
| 19:40.18 | Eulex | Gnea, oooo, german word order :) |
| 19:40.20 | pipeline | sonyman: The mplayer thing suggests that you're using an awful, awful sound daemon, which is configurable via modifying the sound wrapper setting in debconf. |
| 19:40.22 | streuner | Kurtism: there is BTS (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 19:40.29 | Gnea | Eulex: is that where it came from? :) |
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| 19:41.04 | Kurtism | BTS? |
| 19:41.12 | Eulex | !btssmite Kurtism |
| 19:41.18 | freebse | Gnea: well I wanted to move on, I just made a reaction from my point of view... now I am the idiot :) ... I chill out now, and everything is cool... so lets move on |
| 19:41.36 | freebse | Eulex: well I am German too |
| 19:41.50 | sonyman | pipeline, mplayer doesn't seem to be that bad...few tweaks is all it needs, but flash is horrific |
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| 19:42.27 | Gnea | !beer freebse |
| 19:42.28 | Eulex | freebse, I know, a lot of people are german here. I learn german in school, btw. |
| 19:43.01 | freebse | Eulex: We have a funny order in words sometimes :) |
| 19:43.40 | pack | uggg...thanks for extending david hasstlehoffs career germany. |
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| 19:43.54 | Wowbagger_ | Eulex: It booted in 2.4. Should I try installing the new kernel in a shell before going through with the rest of the debian install? |
| 19:43.56 | freebse | pack: well tell me about it :) lol |
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| 19:44.30 | Eulex | Wowbagger_, umh, no, complete the install getting the new kernel. |
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| 19:44.47 | Azar | test |
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| 19:45.06 | Azar | someone bombards me |
| 19:45.08 | Eulex | freebse, I know. you gotta put verbs in the end of the sentences in quite many situations. |
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| 19:45.20 | Azar | ah netsplit |
| 19:45.36 | Eulex | Azar, a small one, but yes, a netsplit |
| 19:46.10 | freebse | Eulex: an english sentense: The car was stolen :) where is the verb :) so not only us |
| 19:46.42 | kspath | omg jack is cool |
| 19:46.49 | Azar | freebase: my german: do beast oder nicht du bease das ist der frage |
| 19:46.59 | pack | Was is the verb, stolen an adverb i think (i live in america we dont' learn that crap) |
| 19:47.00 | Eulex | freebse, well, depends on situation. |
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| 19:47.21 | freebse | Azar: lol :) |
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| 19:47.46 | Eulex | Azar, *zu sein oder nicht, dass ist die Frage |
| 19:47.51 | freebse | pack: there is a helping verb before the verb :) |
| 19:48.12 | dannym | azar: "sein" is the normal form of "bist" ;) |
| 19:48.23 | Azar | Eulex I just love the "beast" verb |
| 19:48.30 | Eulex | Azar, haha |
| 19:48.33 | freebse | well is this german for dummies channel :) |
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| 19:48.49 | Eulex | anyway, I gotta go back to my german homework... |
| 19:48.51 | Azar | :) |
| 19:48.53 | dannym | Azar: so it's more like "sein oder nicht sein das ist die frage" if you mean shakespeare ;) |
| 19:48.54 | BullWeivel | whats the best method to replace a word, or words in a bunch of files??? I just grep'ed a group of files and found one similar word in about 80 documents and I want to change that to another word. Example... i found "Hans Solo" and want to change it to "Senior Chew Backa" in about 80 files. |
| 19:48.55 | nk | hi there. I just installed vim-gtk and vim-gnome. but how do I call the respective GUI-versions? |
| 19:48.58 | kspath | I am a dummy so it must be so. |
| 19:49.29 | dannym | nk: gvim ? |
| 19:49.31 | freebse | Eulex: I could tell you some bad words... you can easily drop i german lessons :) |
| 19:49.32 | Azar | thans guys :) |
| 19:49.43 | freebse | lol |
| 19:49.44 | Eulex | freebse, haha |
| 19:49.54 | nk | dannym: indeed. and the gtk-version? |
| 19:49.55 | Azar | wo beast dooo wohooo |
| 19:50.05 | dannym | nk: good question Oo |
| 19:50.11 | stew | BullWeivel: you would use sed for that, "info sed" |
| 19:50.20 | pack | BullWeivel: for i in `find`; do cat $i | sed 's/Hans Solo/Senior Chew Backa/g' > $i.tmp; mv $i.tmp $i; done |
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| 19:50.35 | nk | dannym: anyway... thx |
| 19:50.36 | Eulex | umh, s/dass/das/ |
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| 19:51.05 | stew | pack: yikes, why not just sed -i $i |
| 19:51.10 | danieldg | why not use sed -i instead of the cat/mv pair? |
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| 19:51.46 | pack | danieldg: eh, i didn't know about it? pretty much the only reason. |
| 19:51.50 | SpeMite | How do i remove a write protected file , i wanna remove libsane becausse its broken |
| 19:51.56 | Azar | well looking at the future (next year) if most PCs will have to remodel hardware for the Vole's Vista where the Debian and in general linux hardware will be left? |
| 19:51.59 | tziku | hello, can somebody help me to config my network ? i can acces my server from external but my server can't download eithing... :(( |
| 19:51.59 | dannym | danieldg: is that a hidden option? ;) |
| 19:52.01 | archie | BullWeivel, sed.. |
| 19:52.02 | tziku | help me i am noob |
| 19:52.09 | Gnea | !noob |
| 19:52.10 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 19:52.11 | Cyis | well now I atleast know where debootstrap is adding exim4 but having trouble trying to get it to ignore it |
| 19:52.12 | freebse | was noatun removed from testing, the package doesn't update and got broken... I can not find it on any mirror |
| 19:52.16 | dannym | ah, inplace, cool :) |
| 19:52.20 | archie | BullWeivel, there is better than this, but i don't remember |
| 19:52.24 | abrotman | !why is noatun not in testing |
| 19:52.24 | dpkg | noatun is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=noatun |
| 19:52.36 | Gnea | !tell tziku about interfaces |
| 19:52.37 | danieldg | dannym: no, it's in the manpage... |
| 19:52.45 | Gnea | !tell tziku about networking |
| 19:52.46 | freebse | dpkg: thx for the info |
| 19:52.48 | dannym | danieldg: yeah, just found it :) |
| 19:52.56 | tziku | thx. Gnea |
| 19:53.04 | Gnea | !bot |
| 19:53.05 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 19:53.10 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:53.18 | dannym | danieldg: (It's not in the _german_ manpage, but it's in the other one, alright) |
| 19:53.22 | Tchiak | If I do: "lpadmin -p inkjet -v /dev/usb/lp0 -P /root/inkjet.ppd" I get the error: "lpadmin: add-printer (set model) failed: client-error-not-found" |
| 19:53.24 | Tchiak | why? |
| 19:53.49 | Gnea | Tchiak: you didn't say "add-printer" |
| 19:53.52 | freebse | dpkg: kdemultimedia :) thx this was really helpfull info... |
| 19:53.53 | Azar | Tchiak: maybe because your printer is "windows only" ? |
| 19:53.58 | SpeMite | how do i remove a write protected file? |
| 19:53.59 | edison | Help: i'm on debian right now and i have mounted an new disk, does it exist an archive .tar with minimal installation of sarge then extract it on the new disk ? |
| 19:54.00 | dannym | tziku: check your /etc/resolv.conf, check your route |
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| 19:54.13 | Gnea | Tchiak: try foomatic-gui |
| 19:54.27 | edison | I want to install debian on that new disk |
| 19:54.29 | tziku | danieldg there is only my name server ...need to be other ? |
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| 19:54.52 | starfishy | am i the only one who cant make heads nor tails of it? |
| 19:55.02 | dannym | tziku: as long as e.g. ping www.google.com works, no |
| 19:55.10 | danieldg | tziku: what? |
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| 19:55.21 | pack | edison: look at debootstrap |
| 19:55.25 | edison | starfishy, because i don't want to install it with the cdrom |
| 19:55.26 | Agiofws | how do i install "xorgconfig" in debian ? whats the name of the package ? |
| 19:55.37 | Agiofws | to use apt-get ? |
| 19:55.39 | edison | pack, ok |
| 19:55.40 | tziku | sorry danieldg.... |
| 19:55.52 | tziku | dannym: /etc/network# ping www.google.com |
| 19:55.52 | tziku | ping: unknown host www.google.com |
| 19:55.59 | Azar | edison, you can install it from the cdrom just the disk#1 for minimal installation |
| 19:56.08 | starfishy | so what you want to do is install debian on a new disk on an existing system that is up at present? |
| 19:56.15 | dannym | tziku: unbreak your nameserver then :) |
| 19:56.21 | Agiofws | hello |
| 19:56.25 | Agiofws | how do i install "xorgconfig" in debian ? whats the name of the package ? |
| 19:56.31 | DJ-Marcuzz | . |
| 19:56.43 | edison | Azar, ok i think i don't have choise to install it with cdrom |
| 19:56.49 | Agiofws | i do feel like editing the xorg.conf file |
| 19:56.52 | dannym | tziku: there is a forwarders section in the bind server for example, put your provider's nameserver in there |
| 19:56.54 | freebse | Agiofws: apt-get install xserver -xorg |
| 19:56.58 | starfishy | agio: xbase-clients |
| 19:57.03 | starfishy | contains xorgconfig |
| 19:57.16 | freebse | Agiofws: apt-get install xserver (and you can choose between xf86 and xorg |
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| 19:57.26 | tziku | keh :)) i am a lamer i write wronk at nameserver :D thx for all guys |
| 19:57.38 | Azar | edison, you just edit BIOS to boot from the cdrom (primary boot), install then when done switch back BIOS from cdrom to whatever your primary boot is (floppy, HD) |
| 19:57.40 | starfishy | edison: why not use chroot and debootstrap? |
| 19:58.35 | Agiofws | freebse, still no xorgconfig as command |
| 19:58.40 | Azar | edison: ... that is if you got the CD installer |
| 19:58.42 | Agiofws | i did the apt-get |
| 19:58.43 | starfishy | mount the disk, chroot into it and use debootstrap to install a minimal debian system from a debian mirror |
| 19:59.01 | starfishy | agiofws: install xbase-clients |
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| 19:59.11 | Pegger | does anyone here use linux-ha |
| 19:59.15 | starfishy | that has /usr/X11R6/bin/xorgconfig |
| 19:59.32 | Agiofws | starfishy, thast what i did |
| 19:59.38 | edison | starfishy, ok i will try it |
| 19:59.41 | Gnea | valdyn: wooo, got it to work |
| 19:59.43 | Agiofws | wait |
| 19:59.47 | starfishy | do a dpkg -l xbase-clients |
| 19:59.53 | starfishy | should list /usr/X11R6/bin/xorgconfig |
| 19:59.54 | freebse | Agiofws: if xserver is installed it should work |
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| 20:00.08 | starfishy | maybe /usr/X11R6/bin is not in your path? |
| 20:00.10 | starfishy | are you root? |
| 20:00.12 | valdyn | tyler_: 'someplayer file.pls' works ( after you install somaplayer ) |
| 20:00.17 | valdyn | tyler_: 'somaplayer file.pls' works ( after you install somaplayer ) |
| 20:00.17 | stew | Pegger: have you tried #linux-ha ? |
| 20:00.27 | Agiofws | apt-get install xbase-clients starfishy ?? |
| 20:00.32 | starfishy | yup |
| 20:00.37 | Agiofws | yes i am root freebse |
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| 20:01.06 | Pegger | steigw i will try it now |
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| 20:01.39 | Agiofws | it does not work ubuntu is really getting on my nerves |
| 20:01.50 | Azar | bah ubuntu again |
| 20:01.51 | starfishy | you may want to go to #ubuntu |
| 20:01.55 | freebse | Agiofws: hm it should work, don't know... normally xserver installs everything... |
| 20:01.56 | valdyn | Agiofws: why do you ask in #debian about ubuntu? |
| 20:02.02 | abrotman | Agiofws: come on .. #ubuntu .. use your brain |
| 20:02.04 | lith | Hey guys, I'm in the process of setting up another deb server and its been a while sense I've gone through the install... I'm d/ling the net install cd image. I just need to see a list of packages that the install will ask me to install. So does anyone have a link to a searchable package database? |
| 20:02.08 | Agiofws | why the heck wont xorgconfig work |
| 20:02.08 | Azar | sure it does not work Agiofws : this is #debian help and it does not help you |
| 20:02.11 | valdyn | freebse: no it does not |
| 20:02.11 | houn | General Knowledge Question: If you wanted to learn more about TCP/IP, and troubleshooting packet issues? |
| 20:02.21 | abrotman | Agiofws: take you and your ubuntu questions to #ubuntu please |
| 20:02.26 | valdyn | Agiofws: its not even on ubuntu the proper way to configure Xorg |
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| 20:02.30 | Azar | Agiofws: debian system does not work as ubuntu wtf are you asking here? |
| 20:02.31 | freebse | valdyn: but xorgconfig is part of base so it will be installed |
| 20:02.35 | houn | Where would you look? |
| 20:02.47 | starfishy | agiofws: the ubuntu packaging is often different, so go to #ubuntu to ask |
| 20:02.52 | Agiofws | is uses debian packages no ? |
| 20:02.53 | azeem | please guys, not everybody has to tell them they should move over |
| 20:02.55 | Azar | ubuntu users: do not ask for help/advice here |
| 20:02.55 | starfishy | they probably can tell you where xorgconfig is |
| 20:02.59 | valdyn | Agiofws: no |
| 20:03.01 | starfishy | no, it doesnt |
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| 20:03.12 | tziku | !tell tziku help |
| 20:03.15 | starfishy | it uses the debian package management system but packages its packages itself |
| 20:03.16 | azeem | Agiofws: they are recompiled for Ubuntu, and often modified |
| 20:03.16 | freebse | valdyn: or maybe I am wrong at least I checked but since no one is usinf xorgconfig anymore, it could be |
| 20:03.18 | Gnea | !tell Agiofws about ubuntu |
| 20:03.19 | Azar | someone put the announcement in the topic |
| 20:03.21 | azeem | Agiofws: espcially Xorg |
| 20:03.25 | Pollywog | what about how to install Debian over ubuntu? ;) |
| 20:03.30 | abrotman | !topicsmite azar |
| 20:03.30 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon azar. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 20:03.40 | Azar | :) ok |
| 20:03.47 | freebse | Pollywog: but please don't tell the ppl to convert :) lol |
| 20:03.48 | starfishy | pollywog: if you are a guru you can do that but then you wouldnt ask the question |
| 20:03.48 | Agiofws | ubuntu is stupid though |
| 20:04.01 | Cyis | Pollywog: converting is ugly... just install cleanly |
| 20:04.01 | stew | Pollywog: /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:04.03 | Azar | Agiofws: if you want help here install Debian |
| 20:04.05 | abrotman | Pollywog: there's no certain way to be absolutely certain it would be 100% debian |
| 20:04.09 | archie | i'd like to make a fresh install on a machine without a screen.. but through a net link, is it possible ? |
| 20:04.10 | Pegger | steigw err linux-ha is pretty dead |
| 20:04.12 | abrotman | wow .. that was redundant :) |
| 20:04.18 | houn | For the record, I'm way happier with Debian than Ubuntu. |
| 20:04.19 | Pollywog | I meant a clean install |
| 20:04.27 | starfishy | i converted an ubuntu machine to debian once and found out that it is much easier to reinstall |
| 20:04.29 | Agiofws | starfishy, if i force it will i find a work around to install xorgconfig ? |
| 20:04.33 | starfishy | its possible but useless |
| 20:04.39 | scott__ | i installed debian 386 in a chroot on my amd64 debian install. when i run xterm, i see the memory usage in top slowly go up, until xterm uses up all my swap and memory. is this a bug or could it be a locales problem? |
| 20:04.42 | freebse | starfishy: it is :) |
| 20:04.46 | Tchiak | hmm i can't get this printer to show up over the network :| |
| 20:04.48 | starfishy | agiofws: why not ask in #ubuntu? |
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| 20:04.56 | scott__ | xterm had at once point chewed up around 1.5GB of memory before crashing |
| 20:05.03 | Tchiak | I'm trying to get a windows machine to print to a printer connected to a debian machine |
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| 20:05.06 | ansong | scott__, that's a big xterm |
| 20:05.06 | NOthsouth | where can i see the CRONTAB logs ? |
| 20:05.08 | starfishy | my notebook still is a mongrel because i am too lazy to reinstall |
| 20:05.10 | Cyis | scott__: which dist as I don't have that issue on my amd64 |
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| 20:05.12 | stew | Pegger: have you read the docs at ultramonkey.org? |
| 20:05.19 | Gnea | scott__: did you setup your 32bit environment? |
| 20:05.26 | stew | NOthsouth: they are mailed to root |
| 20:05.26 | starfishy | but its a pain to update so this weekend its going to be redone |
| 20:05.26 | Tchiak | i've installed samba and cups |
| 20:05.29 | Tchiak | i can print locally |
| 20:05.38 | scott__ | its debian i386 running in a chroot |
| 20:05.41 | valdyn | !find xorgconfig |
| 20:05.43 | Pegger | stew no not yet, but I am wondering if my setup is possible |
| 20:05.49 | archie | scott__, looks like a pretty big bug |
| 20:05.52 | Cyis | scott__: sarge, sid, etch? |
| 20:05.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xorgconfig' (1): (/usr/X11R6/bin/xorgconfig) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 20:06.05 | stew | Pegger: its been a while since I've used it, but, what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:06.23 | scott__ | sid |
| 20:06.23 | Pollywog | I was unable to install Debian on an old system so I installed Lindows (this was a few yrs ago) and then assimilated it with Debian. worked like a charm |
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| 20:06.28 | valdyn | freebse: xserver-xorg doesnt depend on xbase-clients, that's all |
| 20:06.31 | starfishy | valdyn: he is running ubuntu, the only way for him to find out the correct package is to go to #ubuntu |
| 20:06.34 | NOthsouth | stew :) |
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| 20:06.58 | Cyis | scott__: that kinda breakage can be expected with sid... |
| 20:07.01 | scott__ | Cyis, i tried installing sarge into the chroot, but it wont let me |
| 20:07.10 | Pegger | stew basically I have machines A B and C. A runs WWW DNS SQL DHCP and B runs ASTERISK and C is the back up for both, so if a service fails of if the whole machine dies then everything is failed over to C, so A or B or A and C are failed over to C |
| 20:07.14 | freebse | whoever asked for xorg: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (but I don't know if this works in ubuntu) |
| 20:07.19 | Pollywog | is something wrong with diet coke? |
| 20:07.21 | Cyis | I have my amd64 running testing/etch and don't have a problem with my 386 chroot environment |
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| 20:07.24 | Pollywog | was it recalled? |
| 20:07.36 | scott__ | cyis, i did "debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /var/chroot/ http://ftp.debian.org/debian/", and when it finished installing, i checked /etc/apt/sources.list, and it said testing |
| 20:07.39 | NOthsouth | stew i don't have any root mail on my /var/log .. |
| 20:07.41 | tziku | i want to install some software .rpm ....and rpm --install dosn't work. Can tell somebody what tot do ? |
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| 20:07.46 | tziku | !tell tziku about rpm |
| 20:07.50 | stew | NOthsouth: did you look at /etc/aliases? |
| 20:07.54 | Eulex | scott__, checked the bts? |
| 20:07.55 | nnacht | Hi, everybody, perhaps can somebody helps me with the network of my notebook? |
| 20:07.56 | stew | tziku: /msg dpkg rpm |
| 20:07.56 | freebse | valdyn: ya excuse me... my fault... I thought it depends on it |
| 20:08.00 | Agiofws | root@ubox:/usr/X11R6/bin# ls |
| 20:08.00 | Agiofws | gtf ioport mmapr mmapw X Xorg |
| 20:08.02 | Agiofws | :( |
| 20:08.03 | Azar | tziku: what linux distro and version of it you run? |
| 20:08.13 | scott__ | Eulex, where do i check those? |
| 20:08.15 | stew | Pegger: i don't see a problem with that, check out the docs on ultramonkey.org |
| 20:08.20 | NOthsouth | stew never |
| 20:08.21 | Eulex | !bts |
| 20:08.21 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 20:08.24 | RichiH | !tell tziku about alien |
| 20:08.45 | tziku | Azar debian 3.5 |
| 20:08.46 | zenwryly | anyone know how I can turnoff tapping on my i386 laptop's trackpad inder X.org/KDE? |
| 20:08.46 | Azar | tziku, wow |
| 20:08.46 | stew | NOthsouth: i think i told you "grep root: /etc/aliases" would tell you who is getting mail for root |
| 20:08.51 | Pollywog | !tell pollywog about alien |
| 20:08.59 | RichiH | tziku: there is no 3.5 |
| 20:09.02 | tziku | this Azar: 3.1_r0a |
| 20:09.05 | tziku | sorry. |
| 20:09.10 | nnacht | I have the following prolblem. The network card works, but if I try to download a big file, say a cd-image, the network will break. Under windows there is no problem. |
| 20:09.16 | Azar | its ok I was just happy to see the 3.5 out |
| 20:09.43 | houn | Azar: Oh come now. You know it'll be at least 5 years for 3.2 |
| 20:09.45 | freebse | nnacht: pppoe or what conection you use |
| 20:09.52 | Cyis | scott__: yes I've seen that happen to me before... Usually it's debootstrap has installed the 'sarge' version but installed a sources.list to install 'testing'... I just change before doing an update within the chroot |
| 20:09.58 | stew | nnacht: if you tell us which nic you use, then we can tell you that nic sucks, get an {intel,3com} nic |
| 20:09.59 | nnacht | freebse, I use a lan-connection |
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| 20:10.11 | Azar | houn, I just had a happy moment even I know it wasnt true |
| 20:10.18 | houn | Azar: Hehe |
| 20:10.21 | nnacht | stew, what is nic_ |
| 20:10.37 | houn | Azar: Though now that I've got Etch running, I'm happy with the system as a whole. |
| 20:10.38 | stew | nnacht: "network inteface card", what ethernet card do you ahve? |
| 20:10.41 | NOthsouth | stew, lol.. thx again |
| 20:10.47 | nnacht | stew, ok, just a moment. |
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| 20:11.11 | Azar | houn, etch is just around the corner, I was expecting to make people happy already |
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| 20:11.47 | scott__ | Cyis, ill make sure sarge is installed, and see if that gets rid of the problem |
| 20:12.05 | abrotman | Azar: just around the corner? |
| 20:12.06 | nnacht | stew: I'm using a RTL-8139 on a toshiba satellite notebook |
| 20:12.16 | abrotman | or not using |
| 20:12.28 | stew | nnacht: yeah, that nic actually does really suck |
| 20:12.31 | abrotman | nnacht: which driver? |
| 20:12.34 | Azar | abrotman, when over 50% of the users here are running it I can think is just around the corner |
| 20:12.44 | abrotman | iirc .. there is 8139 and 8139too |
| 20:12.47 | Cyis | scott__: did you setup your ld.so.conf to use the 386 chroot libs? |
| 20:12.54 | abrotman | !tell Azar about wwer |
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| 20:13.05 | stew | 8139cp maybe? |
| 20:13.12 | abrotman | Azar: i run etch on one of my 15 machines(including work machines) |
| 20:13.25 | nnacht | abrotman: I 'm runing on a unbutu-box |
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| 20:13.37 | abrotman | nnacht: you're running ubuntu? |
| 20:13.43 | nnacht | abrotman: yes. |
| 20:13.46 | abrotman | and you're asking in #debian ? |
| 20:13.49 | freebse | nnacht: it is true, 8139 is a problem... |
| 20:13.53 | scott__ | Cyis, no, i am starting all my apps inside of the chroot, the only thing i use the chroot for is wine |
| 20:14.05 | Wowbagger_ | Eulex: Well, I think there's progress, but it won't boot. It detects the drive as a scsi device sda and then dies with the pivot_root error. Could it be that things are setup to look on hda instead of sda? Thoughts on how to fix it? |
| 20:14.12 | scott__ | i have a vnc server get started in the chroot, and then i run all my wine apps in the vnc session |
| 20:14.15 | nnacht | abrotman: nobody speak to me in the ubuntu-channel :-( |
| 20:14.23 | azeem | nnacht: try again later |
| 20:14.28 | Azar | abrotman, well despite the official bottle of champain being broken, Id think the percentage of people using it with no major complains is more semnificative |
| 20:14.33 | azeem | nnacht: or try mailing ubuntu-users and/or the forums |
| 20:14.35 | abrotman | nnacht: wait an hour or two .. try again |
| 20:14.45 | abrotman | or try the ubuntu-kernel list |
| 20:14.49 | nnacht | freebse: imazing, 8139 should work perfectly unter linux |
| 20:14.52 | abrotman | champagne |
| 20:15.05 | abrotman | Azar: there are TONS of complaints |
| 20:15.07 | Eulex | Wowbagger_, well, how far have you come? are you booting the 2.4.27 or 2.6.12 kernel? |
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| 20:15.15 | Azar | ubuntu users do not expect answers from debian : ubuntu is NOT debian |
| 20:15.18 | Wowbagger_ | Trying to boot the 2.6.12 |
| 20:15.25 | nnacht | abrotman: ok. |
| 20:15.35 | houn | Azar: Champaign. You left out the G. It's ok, though, that's why it's in testing. |
| 20:15.36 | scott__ | hah, i just accidently rm -rf'd my /dev |
| 20:15.37 | Ronin | lets head over to channel #redhat to ask about mandriva guys |
| 20:15.47 | scott__ | can i just copy over a new one from somewhere? |
| 20:15.49 | Ronin | not like anyone here runs either mind you |
| 20:15.50 | freebse | nnacht: it does work, but this card sucks... it is cheap hardware... so the files breaking up is realted to the nic |
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| 20:16.00 | abrotman | Azar: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ .. on top of .. half of KDE is missing from etch(not that i personally mind) |
| 20:16.07 | Eulex | Wowbagger_, ok. 2.6 kernels sees the hard drive as sda instead of hda. just modify the root device the kernel parametres in /boot/grub/menu.lst. |
| 20:16.16 | Eulex | *in the kernel |
| 20:16.37 | abrotman | azeem: do you know on that graph were the two mass filing of bugs came from ? |
| 20:16.40 | nnacht | freebse: i'm quite disappointed with this nic. |
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| 20:16.59 | stew | scott__: do you run udev? (does "dpkg -l udev" return a line starting with ii)? |
| 20:17.02 | abrotman | azeem: scratch that .. one is the reopening after sarge's release .. but what's the other? |
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| 20:17.22 | stew | abrotman: xlibs-dev |
| 20:17.27 | nnacht | freebse: so do u know how to bring the network back wenn it breaks, i mean without to reboot the system? |
| 20:17.30 | abrotman | oh .. that makes sense |
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| 20:17.54 | scott__ | stew, its fixed now, i had a bind mount from my original dev to my chroot, and when i redid the debootstrap, looks like it put it back in |
| 20:18.11 | Azar | houn I think the main reasons people move to etch is because they itch to install packages that are not accepted by the "stable" as secure.... |
| 20:18.11 | tziku | !tell tziku about perl |
| 20:18.11 | Azar | abrotman, me either :) I am happy kde-less |
| 20:18.11 | scott__ | i didnt think that the files in dev could be replaced that easily |
| 20:18.12 | houn | Azar: I just like being a little be closer to current, but I'm coming from Gentoo. It's hard to backpeddle in the features department. |
| 20:18.29 | abrotman | houn: stability is a feature :) |
| 20:18.32 | Eulex | Wowbagger_, 2.4.27 used scsi emulation, and thus saw the disk as hda. |
| 20:18.34 | vin` | Azar: it's not that it ain't secure. |
| 20:18.35 | kspath | wow abcde is nice |
| 20:18.37 | freebse | nnacht: /sbin/ifup eth0 |
| 20:18.46 | Eulex | kspath, yeah, ain't it? |
| 20:18.48 | azeem | abrotman: xlibs-dev gone |
| 20:18.48 | houn | abrotman: So are whirrlygigs and doohickeys! =D |
| 20:18.50 | Azar | houn the only reason I moved from windows to Debian and not gentoo or other, because I hate working as a tester on a buggy OS or buggy software. unpaid that is |
| 20:18.55 | nnacht | freebse: thanks a lot. |
| 20:18.58 | nnacht | i will try |
| 20:18.59 | abrotman | azeem: yeah .. thanks .. stew beat you to it :) |
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| 20:19.12 | abrotman | azeem: i forgot about it .. |
| 20:19.16 | kspath | Eulex: avoided using computers for muzik for a long time but this might change my mind |
| 20:19.19 | abrotman | or rather .. had forgotten |
| 20:19.27 | scott__ | Azar, those aren't bugs, they are features |
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| 20:19.40 | freebse | nnacht: n.p. get a 3com or Intel card and this problems are gone :) |
| 20:19.49 | houn | Azar: Actually, I never really had any show-stoppers until recently. And the little bugs helped me learn alot about linux. |
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| 20:20.04 | Azar | vin` just to think of drivers : 99% of them are having major vulnerabilities: they are written in a hurry to fit the commercial demand |
| 20:20.14 | Eulex | kspath, hehe, ok. abcde can do ogg too :) |
| 20:20.51 | vin` | Azar: that has got nothing to do with etch, probably the kernel. |
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| 20:21.11 | kspath | Eulex: that is what I had used sometimes in the past. I mostly just buy audio CDs I do not steal muzik online and I do not buy from iTune or Rhapsody anymore |
| 20:21.25 | vin` | Azar: and I'm sure your statistics are skewed. |
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| 20:21.31 | Azar | scott__ this is the trend: if you want to make a quick fat buck in the market you rush in a great looking application, nice colors, hey maybe some cool sound, you will never pay attention though what that application might damage in the long run an OS |
| 20:21.52 | streuner | Azar: if someone find a vulnerable part, they are mostly within 24 hours fixed |
| 20:22.18 | Azar | streuner, that is right, for linux users |
| 20:22.21 | freebse | Azar: true |
| 20:22.23 | Eulex | kspath, ok |
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| 20:22.57 | nnacht | freebse: it is right. but it is a new notebook, so... it is sad |
| 20:22.57 | streuner | Azar: we speak about Linux as kernel here |
| 20:23.19 | Wowbagger_ | Eulex: Booted. Looks like I'll have to edit fstab to get it to mount things like /home properly. |
| 20:23.23 | freebse | nnacht: ya I know... but I can't change it :) sorry |
| 20:23.27 | Azar | streuner: I was refering to what I said before: reason why I moved from windows to Debian and not other distro |
| 20:23.32 | Eulex | Wowbagger_, yeah. |
| 20:23.37 | Wowbagger_ | Eulex: Which I imagine would break the 2.4 kernel then. |
| 20:23.42 | tziku | help? |
| 20:23.42 | tziku | sh: line 1: rpm: command not found |
| 20:23.42 | tziku | Error executing "LANG=C rpm -qp --queryformat %{SUMMARY} /root/webmin/webmin-1.250-1.src.rpm": at Alien/Package.pm line 466. |
| 20:23.42 | nnacht | freebse: but good to know it. thanks a lot. |
| 20:23.46 | Eulex | Wowbagger_, true. |
| 20:23.58 | Eulex | tziku, what software? |
| 20:23.59 | stew | tziku: what are you trying to install? |
| 20:24.05 | freebse | nnacht: but that doesn't help you sorry |
| 20:24.07 | Wowbagger_ | Eulex: Thanks a lot for your help... definitely making progress. Slowly. :) |
| 20:24.12 | tziku | i'm trying to install webim with alien |
| 20:24.30 | vin` | webmin, but why? |
| 20:24.41 | tziku | i want to play a little bit... :D |
| 20:24.43 | Azar | instantmessenger? im? |
| 20:24.48 | Ronin | tziku: webmin? |
| 20:24.54 | vin` | tziku: no, why alien? |
| 20:24.54 | tziku | yes...webmin |
| 20:25.02 | stew | tziku: apt-get install webmin |
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| 20:25.06 | Ronin | its available in apt |
| 20:25.20 | stew | tziku: you should really only use alien as a last resort |
| 20:25.24 | Eulex | Wowbagger_, yw :) |
| 20:25.49 | abrotman | tziku: webmin is the work of the devil! |
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| 20:26.00 | Azar | tziku: debian uses apt-get in place of rpm that is for Rh |
| 20:26.06 | Ronin | abrotman: i thought that was windows? |
| 20:26.07 | nuxien | hello |
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| 20:26.10 | freebse | nnacht: you can adjust parameters maybe, but this is so hard I can't tell you how to do it so this card is working... you need to ask a lan crack :) for making adjustments lie these |
| 20:26.27 | abrotman | Ronin: no .. windows is just the work of a few thousand idiots :) |
| 20:26.31 | tziku | wait to try :D |
| 20:26.37 | Ronin | ahh i knew it was something like that abrotman |
| 20:26.45 | nuxien | sorry i'm french, but un search un software (on debian) to create flash |
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| 20:26.56 | Azar | !fr |
| 20:26.57 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 20:27.06 | Wowbagger_ | Eulex: Happen to know how to get a Marvel Yukon 88E8036 NIC to work? (Right now I'm using a really old NE2000 pcmcia card that I had laying around) |
| 20:27.15 | nuxien | i know this chat-room |
| 20:27.17 | vin` | nuxien: forget about it. |
| 20:27.21 | nuxien | but non responce |
| 20:27.23 | Azar | ok nuxien |
| 20:27.31 | Eulex | Wowbagger_, sorry, never heard about that one. |
| 20:28.01 | starfishy | nuxien: try wink |
| 20:28.09 | Azar | nuxien: google flash package for Debian |
| 20:28.17 | abrotman | !flash |
| 20:28.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flash is If you want the flashplayer browser plugin, go to http://www.flash.com and follow the instructions there. Or look at the flashplugin-nonfree package, or most flash crap you see is from banner ads, and very little of it actual real and potentially interesting content. get yourself some object blocking/filtering extensions in your favourite browser, or missing fonts? install gsfonts-x11 |
| 20:28.19 | nuxien | ok, thnk you starfishy |
| 20:28.32 | tziku | i'm usig alien because i have webmin in .rpm format... :( |
| 20:28.46 | tziku | ~/webmin# apt-get install webmin-1.250-1.src.rpm |
| 20:28.47 | tziku | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 20:28.47 | tziku | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 20:28.47 | tziku | E: Couldn't find package webmin-1.250-1.src.rpm |
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| 20:28.48 | Ronin | no need for that Tchiak |
| 20:28.48 | freebse | nuxien: maybe #linux-fr can help you |
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| 20:28.54 | Azar | tziku, you can get webmin in deb format with apt-get |
| 20:28.56 | tziku | ups. sorry ;( |
| 20:28.56 | vin` | tziku: you don't need it. |
| 20:29.07 | Ronin | tziku: as root apt-get install webmin if you really want to get it |
| 20:29.14 | nuxien | ok, thanx freebse |
| 20:29.22 | tziku | E: Couldn't find package webmin |
| 20:29.23 | tziku | look |
| 20:29.37 | stew | tziku: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:29.47 | Eulex | tziku, are you running unstable? |
| 20:29.52 | tziku | 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:29.58 | Azar | bah |
| 20:30.04 | Azar | upgrade to 2.6.8 |
| 20:30.07 | streuner | tziku: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 20:30.08 | stew | Azar: why? |
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| 20:30.18 | vin` | Azar: for webmin? |
| 20:30.24 | Azar | stew, I thought flash is not supported on a 2.4.x kernel? |
| 20:30.32 | freebse | tziku: why I am also still running 2.4.27-2 |
| 20:30.33 | Azar | ah webmin |
| 20:30.37 | vin` | Azar: smoke on. |
| 20:30.38 | Azar | bah sorry |
| 20:30.44 | stew | tziku: can you post your /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin? |
| 20:31.13 | tziku | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 20:31.19 | plugwash | in ntp.conf there is the following comment: |
| 20:31.21 | plugwash | ### lines starting 'server' are auto generated, |
| 20:31.21 | plugwash | ### use dpkg-reconfigure to modify those lines. |
| 20:31.28 | freebse | tziku: there are reasons someone maybe wants to go with a 2.4.XX Kernel :) |
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| 20:31.39 | Ronin | theres your problem i suspect tziku, yo only have the cdrom as your source? |
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| 20:31.55 | tziku | i have all 14 cd's |
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| 20:32.06 | rwg | zed: you there> |
| 20:32.06 | slewis | are dapper and drake different ubuntu products or are they upgrades like osx tiger and jaguar? |
| 20:32.08 | rwg | *? |
| 20:32.08 | tziku | but when i install i install only from cd 1 |
| 20:32.14 | plugwash | yet i've tried dpkg-reconfigure on ntp,ntp-server and ntp-simple and none of them gave you any options |
| 20:32.19 | vin` | slewis: #ubuntu |
| 20:32.21 | plugwash | whats going on?! |
| 20:32.22 | streuner | tziku: you need to put all CD's into |
| 20:32.26 | stew | tziku: you need to add the other cds to sources.list, man apt-cdrom |
| 20:32.31 | freebse | slewis: better to ask in #ubuntu :) |
| 20:32.44 | slewis | #ubuntu |
| 20:32.45 | streuner | tziku: but you are better up if you just run 'apt-setup' |
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| 20:33.11 | freebse | slweis: type in /join #ubuntu |
| 20:33.14 | Ronin | heh |
| 20:33.22 | slewis | got it thanks |
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| 20:33.33 | vin` | hah |
| 20:33.36 | streuner | me too :-) |
| 20:33.46 | houn | I see now why people got so defensive when I was asking about Ubuntu vs. Debian before... |
| 20:34.15 | vin` | !badgerknoppix |
| 20:34.15 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 20:34.50 | freebse | houn: vs is crap anyway, there should not be a vs. between GNU/Linux whatever you are using, the enemy is not the distros you don't like :) |
| 20:34.55 | stew | vin`: why the disguise today? |
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| 20:35.21 | vin` | stew: wife doesn't like the nick. ;-/ |
| 20:35.24 | m1ke_l | howdy |
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| 20:35.29 | freebse | lol what about some Kantonix :) |
| 20:35.39 | fernando | hola |
| 20:35.39 | vin` | whoppix |
| 20:35.49 | houn | freebse: Never asked in that fashion. I was more looking for "Does Debian do X this way as well, or is that Ubuntu Specific?" |
| 20:35.52 | plugwash | my experiance with knoppix is its ok as a livecd but updating its hdinstalls is a serious pita |
| 20:35.54 | tziku | oh...i have a big problem...i don't have acces to that computer naw...but i am in lan with that computer...how can i update from my computer ? |
| 20:35.56 | zed | uh ? |
| 20:36.03 | plugwash | though it did teach me how to force apt to do what i wan't ;) |
| 20:36.05 | houn | freebse: In the end, I just installed Debian and found out myself. ;) |
| 20:36.06 | stew | vin`: did it actually mean anything? |
| 20:36.07 | tziku | i have ftp and http on my computer.... |
| 20:36.17 | zed | somebody highlighted me ? |
| 20:36.22 | freebse | houn: lol |
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| 20:36.49 | stew | zed: /help lastlog |
| 20:36.57 | houn | freebse: And yes, Ubuntu DOES seem to coddle people. Give me my vim and my config files, or give me Windows! |
| 20:37.02 | zed | :) yes me there |
| 20:37.02 | houn | >.> |
| 20:37.03 | rwg | zed: I did |
| 20:37.06 | vin` | stew: nah, nothing meaningful, reference to an old movie, up in smoke. |
| 20:37.16 | zed | (i'm not zed from xchat) |
| 20:37.26 | rwg | oh |
| 20:37.27 | stew | vin`: ahh, hmm i missed the reference |
| 20:37.28 | m1ke_l | how can i contact actual debian developers? |
| 20:37.32 | plugwash | so does anyone know what package i should be using dpkg-reconfigure on to change the ntp server list? |
| 20:37.40 | valdyn | m1ke_l: via bugs.debian.org |
| 20:37.41 | dondelelcaro | m1ke_l: what's your question? |
| 20:37.51 | rwg | hmm |
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| 20:38.09 | m1ke_l | i have some idea's for documentation/video of debian |
| 20:38.14 | m1ke_l | didn't want to bore ya'll with it. |
| 20:38.32 | azeem | m1ke_l: what kind of video? |
| 20:38.41 | freebse | houn: well just what I thought, it is so easy (even on their webpage)... and then it is not so easy for Windows-Dummie XYZ... but you should not tell everyone :) |
| 20:38.44 | m1ke_l | an avi of a debian install. |
| 20:38.55 | azeem | hrm |
| 20:39.09 | azeem | m1ke_l: how will you make that? |
| 20:39.14 | vin` | stew: 多寡罪 in japanese. |
| 20:39.15 | dondelelcaro | m1ke_l: the doc project discusses things on debian-doc@lists.debian.org; if you think it's something that may be useful, try explaining why there, and then just do it. |
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| 20:39.17 | m1ke_l | i already did. |
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| 20:39.29 | azeem | m1ke_l: how did you make it? :) |
| 20:39.36 | m1ke_l | just email that debian thingy and let them know? |
| 20:39.40 | azeem | did you tape it? Or used some screen-grabber? |
| 20:39.42 | m1ke_l | vmware captured my install |
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| 20:40.09 | m1ke_l | i also think i can post the actual vm, with VMplayer anyone can then experiance debian |
| 20:40.12 | m1ke_l | ooooo |
| 20:40.16 | houn | freebse: I had DNS issues, and couldn't get anyone in #Ubuntu to tell me where the config file to edit was. Eventually, it seemed that no one around KNEW where it was. |
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| 20:40.21 | azeem | m1ke_l: I'd say you can put it up somewhere and mail debian-project@lists.debian.org with the URL and description |
| 20:40.30 | m1ke_l | cool...i will. |
| 20:40.49 | houn | freebse: I eventually found it after some poking about, and then oddly had DNS issues on my Debian install, but was prepared for it, hehe |
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| 20:41.35 | freebse | houn: well this can happen everywhere... still I think we disses Ub... enough for now :) |
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| 20:45.27 | BullWeivel | how do i grep this "Réinitialiser |
| 20:45.34 | BullWeivel | oops i meant Réinitialiser |
| 20:45.41 | freebse | houn: but it is true, I never heard this from gentoo :) I never used gentoo, but still :) or slackware... doesn't matter |
| 20:45.45 | BullWeivel | it gets all screwed up in console. |
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| 20:45.51 | m1ke_l | thanks |
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| 20:46.37 | Diana | BullWeivel: I would just grep "initialiser" because that é character is weird and might make grep unhappy. |
| 20:46.52 | secher | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:48.20 | dp_ | I'm trying to build a debian package from source. are there any pages with better information than the manpage? |
| 20:48.36 | tziku | any posibility to modif apt-setup to download from other http ? |
| 20:48.50 | jjazz | tziku: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:48.57 | tziku | thx |
| 20:49.05 | jjazz | tziku: oh wait... apt-setup? I have no idea. |
| 20:49.13 | jjazz | tziku: Never used it. |
| 20:49.26 | tziku | ...ok thx |
| 20:49.29 | loxley | guys i was wondering, if there is a usb controller in a computer, shouldnt lspci show it? |
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| 20:51.34 | houn | freebse: Yeah. I'm just at a point now where I need a level of egotistical control over my OS. When I first Started, Redhad and it's ilk were all fine and dandy, but I didn't learn squat about Linux from them. |
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| 20:53.51 | Wembley | hey I got a quick question |
| 20:53.57 | xaxes|free | @poofn |
| 20:53.59 | freebse | houn: I started with debian, because I some geek told me, the sooner or later I will switch from f.ex. SUSE |
| 20:54.19 | Wembley | for some reason, none of my video applications will work with Debian - xawtv, XMMS, Kino, Totem, all segfault |
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| 20:54.48 | Wembley | I have a suspiscion that they all are crashing for a common reason, other apps, Firefox for example, work fine |
| 20:55.20 | Wembley | I'm using an NVidia GEForce FX 5200 with the "nvidia" driver |
| 20:55.28 | Wembley | any ideas? |
| 20:55.37 | freebse | Wembley: hard to say |
| 20:55.44 | Gillagal | I've got an ATX motherboard, but when I do a shutdown my PC doesn't shut off. I always need to manually hit the power once the system halts. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 20:56.37 | vin` | Gillagal: acpi if it's supported. |
| 20:56.46 | sancho___ | Gillagal: what if you use 'shutdown -P'? |
| 20:57.04 | secher | can someone add to the xauth factoid that if X fails because of xauth, try running ldconfig first? |
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| 20:57.44 | freebse | Gillagal: http://sylvestre.ledru.info/howto/howto_acpi.php |
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| 20:58.41 | plugwash | has something changed recently regarding apt-secure? |
| 20:58.58 | vin` | plugwash: /topic |
| 20:59.35 | secher | azeem! Light! |
| 21:00.09 | secher | sry, 5th element reference. |
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| 21:01.07 | azeem | secher: huh? |
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| 21:02.36 | secher | Azeem: nothing. :) just in the movie the 5th element, the crotchety old scientist kept saying "Azeem! Light!" Sorry to bother you about it, just made me grin. |
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| 21:03.05 | hagi | it was Akeem :) |
| 21:03.27 | buu | secher: Good movie. |
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| 21:04.51 | secher | Ahah.. it was Aziz.. my bad. |
| 21:05.01 | Cope | hrm, just did a network install, but upon reboot I just get a grub 1.5, and no evidence of a kernel when I navigate around using grub... what on earth has happened? (etch wouldn't install at all - couldn't obtain slang package) |
| 21:05.42 | rue_mohr | I'm having soem troubles with bind, when I try to restart it, I get namedrndc connect failed, according to the logs, named cant read rndc.key, what user does debian run bind as? what permissions shojusl that file have? |
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| 21:07.16 | secher | buu: Yup, not the best film, but a great fun to watch, popcorn and soda flick. |
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| 21:07.26 | cisee | is there a debian way to install the ati drivers ? |
| 21:07.41 | Eulex | !firegl |
| 21:07.41 | dpkg | well, firegl is if firegl doesn't compile, fix the _KE_ERROR and _KE_DEBUG #defines in /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/firegl_public.h. it's a gcc v2.95 thing. |
| 21:07.46 | Eulex | !ati drivers |
| 21:07.46 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
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| 21:08.03 | rue_mohr | I'm having soem troubles with bind, when I try to restart it, I get namedrndc connect failed, according to the logs, named cant read rndc.key, what user does debian run bind as? what permissions should that file have? |
| 21:08.28 | infoB | hi all. Can somebody help with enabling serial mouse in X? |
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| 21:09.52 | cisee | Eulex: thx |
| 21:09.56 | rue_mohr | infoB yes, /etc/X11/Xconfig-4 |
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| 21:10.18 | rue_mohr | infoB I suggest XF86Config... or something |
| 21:10.24 | rue_mohr | but save your old config |
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| 21:12.48 | jair | Guys what do you think about the book Debian GNU /Linux 3.1 Bible the latest one from Benjamin Mako Hill? |
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| 21:13.27 | jair | I am planning to buy it, but I want to hear some oppinions from here? |
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| 21:13.47 | Aronofsky | hi everybody |
| 21:13.54 | ansong | whats the recommended way to gather bug information and submit? |
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| 21:14.15 | Aronofsky | i just reinstall a debian testing and im unable to get VLC from aptitude, can anyone tell me why ? |
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| 21:14.49 | SimonRaven | ansong: bugs.debian.org/ |
| 21:14.53 | Diana | ansong: apt-get install reportbug; man querybts; |
| 21:14.56 | streuner | Aronofsky: /msg dpkg why is vlc not in testing |
| 21:15.05 | NOthsouth | can someone help me with crontab? ?.. my crontab is now working!. |
| 21:15.14 | Diana | !tell ansong about bts |
| 21:15.23 | streuner | Aronofsky: debian has always alternatives, use xine or mplayer then |
| 21:15.33 | Diana | !tell NOthsouth about ask |
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| 21:15.47 | hotti | i want to use my printer at a windows-pc from my debian system via cups! what must i do? |
| 21:16.01 | Diana | !tell hotti about cups |
| 21:16.46 | stouset | Gotta wonder why he needs help if his crontab is now working :) |
| 21:16.48 | NOthsouth | Diana, lol . I already try it |
| 21:16.59 | hotti | ? |
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| 21:17.08 | Aronofsky | streuner, can't I just add vlc mirrors to my sources.list , isn"t that a safe solution ? |
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| 21:17.42 | NOthsouth | I put this line on crontab -e : 20 20 * * * /home/user/test.sh ... but crontab don`t do anything |
| 21:17.54 | NOthsouth | test.sh had 777 permitions |
| 21:18.01 | justin | !+chmod 777 |
| 21:18.11 | stouset | NOthsouth: First off, 777 is a very, very bad idea. |
| 21:18.23 | NOthsouth | stouset, is just a test |
| 21:18.26 | stouset | NOthsouth: Second off, what happens when you do a ./test.sh manually? |
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| 21:18.32 | stouset | NOthsouth: So? |
| 21:18.48 | NOthsouth | when I run manually the script work |
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| 21:19.17 | Cope | NOthsouth: what does the script do? usually cron problems are due to (lack of) environment. |
| 21:19.40 | NOthsouth | the script just create a directory on my home/user |
| 21:19.48 | Aronofsky | streuner, actually i cant get mplayer neither ... |
| 21:19.50 | NOthsouth | mkdir /home/user/dir |
| 21:20.18 | NOthsouth | this is really anoying |
| 21:20.22 | foobared | NOthsouth: what time is it there? |
| 21:20.33 | NOthsouth | the time is correct |
| 21:20.45 | NOthsouth | i just change the system time for test |
| 21:21.10 | justin | correct? is that between 7 o' slightwrong and 8 o' notevenclose? |
| 21:21.14 | Wowbagger_ | I have a 2.6.12-1-686 kernel image installed. Is there a kernel-headers package which matches that version around? I need to compile a third party module to make my NIC work. |
| 21:21.29 | ansong | ooo, i like querybts |
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| 21:21.45 | NOthsouth | justin, lol |
| 21:22.03 | NOthsouth | so any ideia? |
| 21:22.14 | justin | NOthsouth: /exec -o date |
| 21:22.17 | NOthsouth | i already try this : 20 20 * * * sh /home/user/test.sh |
| 21:22.32 | N0S3 | hello |
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| 21:22.44 | grendal_prime | ok werid one here...i loginto the server as root..and su to a subserviants user but if i run sa-learn (for spam assassin) it reads from the correct -spam file but writes tocs in the root users folder??? |
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| 21:22.53 | foobared | NOthsouth: I'd rather change the crontab for testing... |
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| 21:23.12 | NOthsouth | foobared, change for what ? |
| 21:23.19 | NOthsouth | another script ? |
| 21:23.31 | grendal_prime | does this mean I have to log in initially with the subserviants account to begin with..cause i ..well dont want to have to do that |
| 21:23.40 | NOthsouth | I already try put on root crontab |
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| 21:23.45 | NOthsouth | but don`t wokr |
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| 21:24.13 | NOthsouth | there is any crontab log ? . i can`t find any |
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| 21:25.02 | ansong | btw, since updating to 2.6.15 (debian package), my wireless card (orinoco gold) went from being eth1 (which it has always been previously) to giving me two additional interfaces: wifi0 and wlan0. attempting to manage either of those interfaces is... unpredictable. |
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| 21:25.13 | foobared | NOthsouth: it called syslog |
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| 21:25.42 | justin | ansong: just use wlan0 for everything |
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| 21:26.05 | konfuzed | anyone know how I can grab the contents of a dialog box displayed in firefox that has been typed in lots and is now frozen but not crashed. the text has to be stored in a memory or disc cacche some where |
| 21:26.08 | JerJer | i have a netinstalled testing/unstable box that we need to send mail - I see that exim4 is running, but no email ever gets sent out when we do the sendmail <address> thing our app expects. What did I miss? |
| 21:26.11 | NOthsouth | foobared, yeh thx, |
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| 21:26.36 | foobared | NOthsouth: I meant I'd try to set the time in the crontab to $now+5 minutes |
| 21:26.37 | justin | JerJer: /var/log/exim* |
| 21:26.40 | abrotman | you didn't configure exim4 correctly obviously |
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| 21:26.43 | konfuzed | i fear my long email is FOOBAR |
| 21:27.01 | grumillo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.07 | NOthsouth | foobared, How... how I do that? |
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| 21:27.13 | Diana | grumillo: What is "tile"? |
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| 21:27.19 | NOthsouth | just put $now+5 minutes ? |
| 21:27.29 | NOthsouth | istead 20 20 * * * ? |
| 21:27.34 | foobared | NOthsouth: w/ crontab -e of course |
| 21:27.36 | JerJer | ok - get 1EzKqw-0008Qu-B4 Message is frozen |
| 21:27.42 | grumillo | to have one window right next to another one automatically |
| 21:27.51 | JerJer | abrotman: is there a config tool? |
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| 21:28.01 | Diana | grumillo: You want a window manager that can do this? |
| 21:28.05 | foobared | NOthsouth: no, compute the actual time + 5 minutes w/ brain :) |
| 21:28.06 | JerJer | i have always dealt with sendmail :( |
| 21:28.15 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:28.21 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 21:28.29 | ping3 | postfix seems better |
| 21:28.32 | abrotman | duh |
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| 21:28.47 | NOthsouth | foobared, ahh ..already try it 2 |
| 21:28.48 | grumillo | diana: or a terminal that have a big window containing others, i would prefer to keep my window manager (gnome) |
| 21:29.19 | JerJer | abrotman: thank you |
| 21:29.24 | Cope | grumillo: fwiw gnome is not your window manager; it is probably metacity. |
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| 21:29.27 | JerJer | its set for local delivery only |
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| 21:30.32 | cipo | my english is bad, and my iq is below 50, any1 can help me? |
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| 21:30.54 | JerJer | thanks again |
| 21:30.58 | Diana | grumillo: I use fluxbox...and I have tabs. |
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| 21:31.15 | ping3 | cipo your iq must be below 50 for using debian :D |
| 21:31.47 | cipo | :D is there any program simiar to shorewall, but for ipv6 connection in debian? |
| 21:32.01 | grumillo | diana: i am not looking for tabs, since I already have them, I would like to be able to tile windows |
| 21:32.18 | Diana | grumillo: http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/4488/200601181630521024x768scrot7ap.png |
| 21:32.21 | resiak | grumillo: wmii does that, as does (I think) ion3 |
| 21:32.33 | Cope | grumillo: you need to explain what you mean by 'tile', really |
| 21:32.43 | Diana | grumillo: fluxbox has "groups" so I have a hotkey to open xterm...so when I open xterm..it automatically tabs itself with other xterm windows. |
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| 21:33.14 | Diana | grumillo: What is "tile"? |
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| 21:33.36 | Cope | grumillo: i use ratpoison, and can split the screen into sections for each app, and flick between them - but I just don't understand what you're trying to achieve... could you try to describe it? |
| 21:33.39 | SpeMite | removing a full directory? |
| 21:33.45 | grumillo | cope: by tile i mean that suppose i have more than one terminal window open i would like to have both of them visible right next to each other inside another window |
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| 21:34.03 | Cope | grumillo: ok, you could do that with screen |
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| 21:34.16 | grumillo | cope: how? |
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| 21:34.27 | Cope | resiak: whilst retaining your current wm / desktop env |
| 21:34.32 | Diana | !tell grumillo about screen |
| 21:34.42 | Cope | sorry resiak |
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| 21:34.45 | NOthsouth | crontab sux |
| 21:34.49 | resiak | Cope: No, they are window managers. |
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| 21:35.01 | Cope | resiak: erm, what are? |
| 21:35.06 | grumillo | diana: thanks |
| 21:35.17 | resiak | Cope: wmii and ion3 |
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| 21:35.34 | Cope | resiak: oh yes - I know; I just used your name incorrectly |
| 21:35.48 | Cope | resiak: I meant grumillo |
| 21:35.59 | resiak | Cope: Ah, sorry. |
| 21:36.02 | grumillo | cope: thanks |
| 21:36.03 | Cope | :D |
| 21:36.13 | balc | once i know which AP i want to wirelessly connect to, how do i connect to the AP to get on the net? |
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| 21:36.37 | Cope | resiak: no, I just missed the g - gRumillo |
| 21:36.48 | KerPlunk | !tell balc about wireless |
| 21:36.54 | resiak | Cope: Aaaah :-) |
| 21:36.57 | Cope | resiak: ---> r <tab> ---> resiak |
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| 21:37.20 | balc | thx |
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| 21:38.55 | balc | ok ive seem that faq and it gives a lot of uneeded info, my card is working kismet detects APs i just need the simple command to connect to one of them |
| 21:39.05 | harm1988 | how do i set up a mysql module/support for debian? |
| 21:39.50 | justin | balc: with iwconfig |
| 21:39.57 | abrotman | module for what? |
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| 21:41.33 | onixer | balc install wireless-tools |
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| 21:41.41 | PupenoL | Hello. |
| 21:41.44 | mhall | is it a bad omen if a kernel downloads at 666 kb per sec |
| 21:41.57 | cipo | is there any program similar to shorewall, but for firewalling ipv6 connection in debian? |
| 21:42.00 | onixer | rest is a breeze from there |
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| 21:42.28 | abrotman | mhall: kernel version 7.7.7 ? |
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| 21:42.36 | mhall | abrotman: 2.6.14.6(66) |
| 21:42.41 | abrotman | doh! |
| 21:42.49 | abrotman | mhall: on a packard bell computer? |
| 21:42.51 | mhall | abrotman: i'm playing 'find the regression in alsa' |
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| 21:42.59 | mhall | abrotman: no, a frankenstein |
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| 21:43.02 | abrotman | mhall: it has many :) |
| 21:43.16 | mhall | abrotman: yes, but i want to find *the* regression |
| 21:44.01 | abrotman | mhall: the 2.6.12 in etch has some freakish error involving my sound card ... cs_mutex or something |
| 21:44.01 | PupenoL | I have a software RAID that has wrong persistent superblock information, when I try to boot it tries to assemble the array with hdc1 and hdd1, but the array really is sda1 and sdb1. I am able to mount with a live CD and assemble the RAID by hand (using sda1 and sdb1), how can I update the superblock to hold that new information ? |
| 21:44.01 | mhall | Gnea also experiences it somehow |
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| 21:44.07 | mhall | abrotman: odd |
| 21:44.20 | mhall | abrotman: i bet the cvs version of it's better than the k.org |
| 21:44.25 | tim_ | i am having trouble in gparted, it is not seeing my scsi drives, my scsi card is listed in devices and the tower is detected on bootup im not sure where to go from here |
| 21:44.35 | abrotman | mhall: probably |
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| 21:45.19 | mhall | abrotman: but i bet i can place the regression within a narrow range |
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| 21:46.00 | mhall | abrotman: it must be in either (2.6.14.3, 2.6.14.6] or [2.6.14.6, 2.6.15.1] |
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| 21:46.10 | abrotman | mhall: i blame HURD |
| 21:46.24 | mhall | abrotman: but... hurd uses 2.2 drivers |
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| 21:46.41 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:46.48 | juice` | i've installed debian with debootstrap, and when i run man/less/something similar, i can't use pgup/pgdown to scroll windows, any ideas why? in what package i can control it |
| 21:46.55 | abbacdde | Hello people |
| 21:46.58 | mhall | abrotman: does it even *have* sound? |
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| 21:47.14 | abrotman | mhall: ask #hurd? i've only used it a little big |
| 21:47.15 | abrotman | bit |
| 21:47.33 | mhall | abrotman: gnu people aren't known for making the touchyfeeliest open source software(s) |
| 21:48.02 | azeem | mhall: Hurd doesn't use drivers, GNU Mach does |
| 21:48.05 | Silent_al | how can i know if my current version of wine was compiled with OpenGL support? |
| 21:48.09 | azeem | and it uses 2.0 drivers, FTR |
| 21:48.22 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:48.33 | abrotman | azeem: but does it have sound? |
| 21:48.39 | Slartie | hello, I'm trying to install a Promise SATA 300 TX4 in debian testing. I think it's supported by the mod sata_promise but hwinfo reports the card as unknown... any pointers on what to look for to fix this? |
| 21:48.44 | tim_ | can anyone give me a recommendation on the next step |
| 21:49.26 | azeem | abrotman: there's a pc_speaker driver for the console, if you mean that : |
| 21:49.29 | azeem | eh, :P |
| 21:49.30 | yalu | is it possible to switch i/o schedulers on a running system? |
| 21:49.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:49.37 | mhall | azeem: was wondering, could you make the ubuntu is not debian warning in the topic more prominent |
| 21:49.44 | abrotman | azeem: ah .. you can make beautiful music with a pc speaker |
| 21:49.47 | justin | Slartie: dmesg ? |
| 21:50.00 | mhall | yalu: yeah i believe you can change the contents of some sys or proc file to do the job |
| 21:50.10 | mhall | yalu: if all of the schedulers are available to the kernel |
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| 21:50.25 | mhall | yalu: might have to grep the source and the Documentation dirs |
| 21:50.31 | mhall | yalu: fgrep -ir is your friend |
| 21:50.55 | Slartie | justin, found nothing with "grep promise" |
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| 21:51.11 | justin | Slartie: don't grep. read the whole thing |
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| 21:51.30 | mhall | Slartie: also Promise might well be in caps, and grep is case sensitive |
| 21:51.35 | wpostma | Is there an "apt-get source" command I can type to grab the source of the current kernel? (I'm using kernel 2.6.14-2-686-smp) or do I just grab it from kernel.org? |
| 21:51.37 | mhall | Slartie: better trep fgrep -i |
| 21:51.43 | mhall | Slartie: *try* |
| 21:51.47 | abrotman | !tell wpostma about source |
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| 21:52.06 | PupenoL | wpostma: what do you want the sources for ? |
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| 21:52.18 | rue_mohr | debian, what is run before rc2.d? rc0.d? rcS.d???? |
| 21:52.21 | juice` | i've installed debian/etch from debootstrap (remote), and when i run 'man' or 'less' or something similar, i can't use pgup/pgdown to scroll the screen, any ideas why? in what package i can control it? i'm using ssh + putty to connect to server, and i have got no such problems before on any host... |
| 21:52.25 | wpostma | I want to install the wanpipe (sangoma) drivers and it needs kernel sources to install. |
| 21:52.42 | PupenoL | wpostma: at any rate: apt-cache search kernel, there are tons of packages, including source-packages, etc. |
| 21:52.51 | Slartie | slartibartfast was taken on that sunny day in 1994 =) |
| 21:52.55 | PupenoL | wpostma: I think that you can install kernel-tree for that. |
| 21:53.07 | bucky | There is a new point release Linux kernel that comes barely two weeks after 2.6.15 was released and fixes at least three different vulnerabilities. |
| 21:53.09 | bucky | http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3577946 |
| 21:53.30 | mhall | bucky: that's C for you |
| 21:53.31 | wpostma | Thanks PupenoL -> that's the one. |
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| 21:54.07 | bucky | there are some people interested in 2.6.15.1 now |
| 21:54.20 | mhall | bucky: yeah the sound is broken though for me |
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| 21:54.41 | bucky | mhall: sound blaster ? |
| 21:54.43 | mhall | bucky: the alsa regression for me is in either (2.6.14.3, 2.6.14.6] or [2.6.14.6, 2.6.15.1] |
| 21:54.50 | mhall | bucky: SB Live! Value |
| 21:55.01 | mhall | bucky: Gnea reports the same problem on Intel AC97 |
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| 21:55.15 | Slartie | justin, dmesg doesn't mention anything about my promise-card.. nothing about any unknown pci-device at all... seems like it ignores it |
| 21:55.18 | bucky | hmmm.. i had no problem with it on 2.6.15 on my other box |
| 21:55.22 | yalu | grmbl... grepping /sys or /proc recursively takes minutes. that's suspicious given that the files in /proc don't actually exist |
| 21:55.22 | mhall | bucky: i'm doing the 2.6.14.6 build just now |
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| 21:55.31 | bucky | good |
| 21:55.40 | mhall | yalu: well some of the values generated take the kernel time to generate |
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| 21:55.52 | mhall | yalu: strace find or grep and watch what it does if you want |
| 21:56.02 | mhall | yalu: you'll see a good amount of blocking on read() etc |
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| 21:56.31 | Wowbagger_ | Is there a debian kernel-tree for 2.6.12-1-686? |
| 21:56.31 | mhall | bucky: yeah it sucked; i wanted to watch pr0n and it's not much good without the audio |
| 21:56.37 | NOthsouth | if I set crontab for make a echo .. will echo appear in all terminals ? |
| 21:56.46 | bucky | mhall: i hear ya' |
| 21:56.55 | mhall | NOthsouth: try wall |
| 21:56.59 | mhall | NOthsouth: man it of course |
| 21:57.14 | xored | how to show the current printer spool |
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| 21:57.44 | ootput | i've only seen one other slarti`, and he was a gentoo dev |
| 21:57.44 | mhall | uh-oh a washingtonian |
| 21:57.51 | Rawplayer | MI |
| 21:57.56 | mhall | ootput: there've been a number on debian over time |
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| 21:58.15 | mhall | ootput: a slartibart from the netherlands was here for years since 1998 (when i came) |
| 21:58.15 | sj- | hey fellas.. ive been getting a 'superblock last write time is in the future' error every time i reboot after a recent apt-get upgrade.. read a ton of replies about it but most seem to conflict each other.. anyone know a definitive resolution to this problem? |
| 21:58.34 | mhall | !seen cbillett |
| 21:58.35 | foobared | NOthsouth: better try "touch /tmp/iamhere" |
| 21:58.35 | dpkg | cbillett <n=cbillett@64-235-205-125.access.ripnet.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 67d 16h 6m 47s ago, saying: 'i've tried installing libglu1-xorg-dev, but it's headers are symlinks to itself...'. |
| 21:58.44 | mhall | !seen rootd00d |
| 21:58.44 | dpkg | mhall: i haven't seen 'rootd00d' |
| 21:58.51 | bucky | xored: lpstat ? |
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| 22:00.03 | mhall | bucky: making modules... almost time to test |
| 22:00.18 | bucky | good luck |
| 22:00.21 | NOthsouth | foobared, let me try |
| 22:00.24 | mhall | bucky: i'll be pissed if it doesn't work, it takes a long time to build a big featureful kernel on an athxp 1800 |
| 22:00.39 | rue_mohr | debian, what is run before rc2.d? rc0.d? rcS.d???? |
| 22:00.45 | mhall | bucky: but... couple more days and i'll have a celeron 2.53 |
| 22:00.46 | mhall | w00t |
| 22:01.07 | mhall | maybe then i can finally play HDTV pr0n |
| 22:01.09 | bucky | mhall: it takes a long time to compile the kernel now days |
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| 22:01.26 | Blackhold | hello, some one knows burnstation? |
| 22:01.31 | vinay | anybody know of a command-line jotter style notes program? seen screenshot of concept: http://bhepple.freeshell.org/gjots/screenshots.html |
| 22:01.36 | mhall | !tell Blackhold about ask |
| 22:01.44 | mhall | bizkit: a text editor? nano? |
| 22:02.09 | mhall | shit |
| 22:02.14 | mhall | vinay: a text editor? nano? |
| 22:02.52 | vinay | matteo: no no... a nice ncurses based interface for arbitrary hierarchical text-based notes storage |
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| 22:03.15 | mhall | bucky: alright here we go |
| 22:03.36 | Blackhold | !tell burnstation |
| 22:04.04 | foobared | vinay: /msg dpkg info note |
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| 22:04.20 | NOthsouth | foobared, nothing |
| 22:04.37 | vinay | foobared: thanks, will check it out |
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| 22:04.48 | PupenoL | It seems I have updated the superblocks, still, when I boot, the old devices are tried to build the raid, any ideas ? |
| 22:05.05 | foobared | NOthsouth: does cron running? |
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| 22:05.26 | tay | anyone has experience with PEAR or PHP-DB packages? |
| 22:05.28 | NOthsouth | foobared, yep |
| 22:05.55 | sj- | a celeron 2.5ghz wont be able to do hdtv playback without hardware decoding |
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| 22:06.24 | sj- | unless youre talking about something pre-recorded |
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| 22:08.19 | NOthsouth | :( |
| 22:08.50 | N0S3 | http://pastebin.com/511964 -----> i have this machine , I need a kernel for this cpu which recommend me? at the moment I have Linux linux 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:09.14 | Azar | NOthsouth: which CPU? |
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| 22:09.42 | stew | N0S3: you should stick with the kernel you have |
| 22:09.48 | Azar | err NOS3 which cpu |
| 22:09.55 | N0S3 | Azar: http://pastebin.com/511964 |
| 22:10.00 | NOthsouth | Azar, P4 2.4 |
| 22:10.16 | Azar | :) thank you NOthsouth |
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| 22:10.40 | NOthsouth | why CPU ? |
| 22:10.44 | N0S3 | stew: Linux linux 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux -------> this is correct? |
| 22:10.48 | Wembley | !tell wembley about ask |
| 22:10.51 | stew | N0S3: yes |
| 22:10.51 | Wowbagger_ | I'm confused about the debian way. I have a 2.6.12-1-686 kernel installed and I need to compile a third party module. For that I think I need a matching kernel-tree (or linux-tree??). Which do I need and how do I go about getting it? |
| 22:10.51 | Azar | NOS3, you got Sarge stable with the highest kernel offered, you are ok |
| 22:10.58 | Slartie | There is a list of linux supported hardware on linuxmafia.com , is it to be trusted? is there a better one? |
| 22:11.10 | Wembley | !tell wembley about nvidia |
| 22:11.13 | stew | Wowbagger_: you need linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 22:11.24 | Wowbagger_ | stew: How do I get that? |
| 22:11.32 | stew | Wowbagger_: apt-get install it |
| 22:11.37 | Wembley | tell wembley about nvidia installer |
| 22:11.44 | foobared | NOthsouth: and what is in the syslog? (lines w/ CMD) |
| 22:11.56 | Wembley | !tell wembley about nvidia installer |
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| 22:12.02 | tay | anyone here used php-db mysqli successfully? |
| 22:12.19 | Wembley | !tell wembley about nvidia one-liner |
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| 22:12.30 | Azar | Wembley, not wembley |
| 22:13.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 22:13.10 | NOthsouth | foobared, lots of lines like this: Jan 18 08:00:16 localhost crontab[3040]: (massaki) BEGIN EDIT (massaki) |
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| 22:13.34 | dli_ | I have netatalk installed, strange |
| 22:13.37 | Wembley | !tell wembley about nvidia-howto |
| 22:13.54 | foobared | NOthsouth: no lines matching CMD? |
| 22:13.58 | Azar | Wembley use /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 22:14.01 | Wembley | !tell wembley about nvidia-oneliner |
| 22:14.02 | Agiofws | ok how do i turn off automounting in ubuntu ? what do i edit ? init.d ? or rc.X links ? |
| 22:14.02 | *** topic/#debian by mentor -> PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | Please NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 22:14.08 | Wembley | !tell wembley about nvidia-oneline |
| 22:14.11 | Wembley | !tell wembley about nvidia |
| 22:14.12 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 22:14.18 | Wembley | !tell wembley about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:14.25 | Azar | Wembley stop it! |
| 22:14.31 | stew | Wembley: please /msg the bot |
| 22:14.34 | Azar | use your nick with capital letter for W |
| 22:14.36 | NOthsouth | foobared, nop |
| 22:14.41 | Wembley | ok |
| 22:14.48 | mentor | Wembley: /msg dpkg |
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| 22:15.13 | Agiofws | ok how do i turn off automounting in ubuntu ? what do i edit ? init.d ? or rc.X links ? |
| 22:15.14 | Wembley | was that going to everyone in the room? |
| 22:15.14 | _blue_ | so what do you guys think, make my phone an mp3 player or get a new desktop to play with? |
| 22:15.21 | Ronin | Wembley: no but your asking was |
| 22:15.26 | Wembley | ahh |
| 22:15.29 | NOthsouth | foobared, ow, wait, had some like that in syslog.0 |
| 22:15.30 | kyncani | !tell Agiofws about topic |
| 22:15.32 | Kurtism | Wembley was a fraggel |
| 22:15.33 | stew | Agiofws: you have been told many times today that ubuntu questions are off topic here |
| 22:15.36 | Kurtism | on fraggel rock |
| 22:15.36 | FlimFlamMan | Agiofws, you want to go to #ubuntu |
| 22:15.37 | Wembley | Kurtism Yes |
| 22:15.43 | NOthsouth | foobared, Jan 13 05:17:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[3832]: (root) CMD ( run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) |
| 22:15.47 | Ronin | Agiofws: i think your in the wrong channel |
| 22:15.57 | Wembley | Kurtism http://www.muppetcentral.com |
| 22:15.59 | Ronin | in fact i know your in the wrong channel |
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| 22:16.08 | Azar | Agiofws: this is the second time you come here: go at ubuntu |
| 22:16.09 | mhall | bucky: alright, it works in 2.6.14.6 |
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| 22:16.25 | Agiofws | ubuntu users are gui orientated |
| 22:16.27 | Agiofws | :( |
| 22:16.32 | abrotman | Ronin: i think you suck with homonyms :) |
| 22:16.32 | mhall | Agiofws: dude, we don't come fuck up the ubuntu channel; you shouldn't come fuck up ours |
| 22:16.37 | abrotman | Agiofws: TOUGH SHIT .. go to #ubuntu |
| 22:16.38 | Ronin | abrotman: i know i do |
| 22:16.42 | Azar | Agiofws: so install Debian otherwise go to #ubuntu |
| 22:16.42 | Agiofws | lol |
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| 22:16.51 | abrotman | you installed it .. you get thier support |
| 22:16.54 | foobared | NOthsouth: huh? that is the last one? |
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| 22:17.07 | DJ-Marcuzz | how hard is samba to use, i want multiple users with permissions, and some different start folders |
| 22:17.08 | mhall | Agiofws: it boggles the mind why you'd install such a GUI dist if you swear by CLI |
| 22:17.09 | kyncani | Agiofws: there you go, install debian -> automounting will be turned off :) |
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| 22:17.19 | mhall | DJ-Marcuzz: swat - samba web admin tool |
| 22:17.33 | mhall | DJ-Marcuzz: login as root at http://127.0.0.1:901/ and go to town |
| 22:17.34 | Agiofws | just tell me wich script automounts |
| 22:17.42 | NOthsouth | foobared, this is the last one: Jan 13 06:25:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[3849]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 22:17.44 | Ronin | Agiofws: dont know we dont run ubuntu |
| 22:17.47 | DJ-Marcuzz | myeah, and another web admin tool :P |
| 22:17.53 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 22:18.01 | tyler_ | why is it that i install the fasttrack network plugin for giFT but seems i cannot get into that network? |
| 22:18.06 | mhall | DJ-Marcuzz: once you see how it writes the conf file, you can take over if you want |
| 22:18.08 | DJ-Marcuzz | i hope its better then what i saw in webmin |
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| 22:18.20 | mhall | DJ-Marcuzz: it doesn't do anything to the file unless you change settings in the tool |
| 22:18.35 | mhall | DJ-Marcuzz: it's pretty comprehensive when you click advanced mode |
| 22:18.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok, ill try in a vew minutes |
| 22:19.08 | Azar | what is giFT? |
| 22:19.22 | abrotman | #gift |
| 22:19.28 | stew | Azar: apt-cache show gift |
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| 22:19.44 | Azar | ah is a 3rd party package.. |
| 22:19.44 | N0S3 | stew: very thanks |
| 22:19.51 | De_Mon | how do I get du -x to work correctly? I do du -shx /* and it doesn't skip /home -- which is another filesystem |
| 22:19.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | gift won't work for me :P |
| 22:19.54 | foobared | NOthsouth: I guess it was 5 days ago, wasn't it? |
| 22:20.08 | DJ-Marcuzz | ill use seperate client like amule :P |
| 22:20.17 | NOthsouth | foobared, yeh,u right |
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| 22:20.32 | NOthsouth | now ? |
| 22:20.37 | stew | De_Mon: your shell is expanding /* into /etc /home /var ... so you are explicitly asking du to go into /home |
| 22:20.39 | NOthsouth | what to do |
| 22:20.41 | DJ-Marcuzz | when i do apt-cache search samba, how to i know if its samba 1 2 or 3 :S |
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| 22:20.51 | Wembley | grrrr |
| 22:21.01 | foobared | NOthsouth: maybe: /etc/init.d/cron restart |
| 22:21.08 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: apt-cache show <package> |
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| 22:21.28 | Wembley | xorg keeps crashing on sig 11 --- "libfb.a:fbmmx.o: no symbols found" |
| 22:21.29 | Azar | Wembley, when you type /msg dpkg you are pm-ing to the bot, there, ask your question |
| 22:21.34 | De_Mon | stew ok, how do I get a summary of dir's in / without using *? |
| 22:21.44 | DJ-Marcuzz | oki |
| 22:21.52 | Wembley | well, I think this will be something that the folks here can help me with... |
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| 22:22.14 | Azar | Wembley are you running Debian Sarge (stable) ? |
| 22:22.23 | Wembley | I've googled everything I can think of about getting the nvidia drivers |
| 22:22.40 | Wembley | Azar I think sid -- since I have xorg |
| 22:22.47 | Azar | wow nice |
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| 22:22.55 | Azar | I am too small for sid.. |
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| 22:23.08 | opnsrc | For some strange reason the sound doesn't work on my Opnsrc account (I had it working before) |
| 22:23.11 | opnsrc | (I think) |
| 22:23.15 | stew | De_Mon: i don't know of a way, "du -sx /" would tell you a summary for / though |
| 22:23.24 | Wembley | Azar - I am running sid :) |
| 22:23.31 | opnsrc | It works great under root. I added Opnsrc to the audio group and the picture of the speaker on the bottm right shows up |
| 22:23.32 | buc | hi, someone who knows how to tell apt-get to install a package with a certain parameter? [I need to install libsdl-image with png support] |
| 22:23.46 | Azar | Wembley do you got / unstable main non-free contrib at the end of your apt sources? |
| 22:23.49 | opnsrc | I just can't hear anything (If I play an audio file it plays but I hear nothing). I checked the volume, it seems fine |
| 22:24.00 | KerPlunk | !tell Wembley about nvidia one liner |
| 22:24.04 | De_Mon | yeah, i'm trying to track down where all my diskspace is going so I need a directory summary |
| 22:24.15 | Wembley | its testing main contrib nonfree |
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| 22:24.25 | Wembley | KerPlunk : I've read that many times :) |
| 22:24.25 | streuner | buc: check out debian/rules, if its compiled in you find it here |
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| 22:24.35 | Azar | Wembley I guess non-free is more appropriate |
| 22:24.38 | DJ-Marcuzz | why do i always get: |
| 22:24.38 | DJ-Marcuzz | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 22:24.39 | DJ-Marcuzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.39 | DJ-Marcuzz | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y |
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| 22:24.40 | buc | streuner, thx |
| 22:24.43 | De_Mon | stew i've been resorting to remounting the partition to a different point, but thought there had to be a smarter way to do it. |
| 22:24.49 | opnsrc | Wait it works fine now |
| 22:24.50 | opnsrc | Thanks |
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| 22:25.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | whoeps |
| 22:25.12 | Azar | Wembley: (non-free instead of nonfree) I ment |
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| 22:25.22 | DJ-Marcuzz | i didn't toucht that would be a flood |
| 22:25.32 | Wembley | Azar: right... I have non-free in there as well |
| 22:25.38 | streuner | DJ-Marcuzz: /topic |
| 22:25.51 | streuner | DJ-Marcuzz: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 22:25.52 | Wembley | Azar: and I've followed the nvidia one-liner from dpkg :) |
| 22:26.08 | Azar | Wembley: and it is not working... |
| 22:26.11 | Azar | ? |
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| 22:26.36 | Wembley | Azar: right ... it goes to the nvidia logo screen, then dies right away, with signal 11 in the Xorg logs |
| 22:26.58 | Azar | Wembley: ah xorg... I don't know how that works.. |
| 22:27.02 | Wembley | Azar: and the error message is "libfb.a:fbmmx.o: no symbols found" |
| 22:27.07 | buc | streuner, i can't understand what debian/rules is :P |
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| 22:27.23 | NOthsouth | foobared, nothing |
| 22:27.30 | NOthsouth | reaaly sux |
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| 22:27.33 | Wembley | Azar: if I disable the GLX extension it starts fine |
| 22:27.34 | streuner | buc: put a deb-scr line into sources and get source of the package |
| 22:27.40 | stew | De_Mon: you should be able to write a script to do it pretty simply |
| 22:27.40 | Azar | Wembley: try run the xorg configuration, which I have no idea how it goes |
| 22:27.47 | streuner | buc: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:27.54 | Wembley | Azar: but no video stuff works like xMMS or Totem |
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| 22:28.06 | streuner | buc: it has an example how to edit sources.list and get source |
| 22:28.15 | Azar | Wembley: well I have no idea about xorg, ask others who know it |
| 22:28.27 | Wembley | Azar: i've done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg several times :) |
| 22:28.27 | buc | thx streuner, think i understood now :) |
| 22:28.31 | mere | is there any up-to-date documentation on setting up ALSA/JACK? |
| 22:28.36 | DJ-Marcuzz | what was that swat port again? |
| 22:28.40 | streuner | buc: good luck |
| 22:28.41 | Wembley | well, anyone out there know anything about getting it working? |
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| 22:28.49 | streuner | !swat |
| 22:28.49 | dpkg | swat is, like, Special Weapons And Tactics or A Web based administrative tool for SAMBA or what dbn.net needs; right upside the head with a clue-by-four. a device for killing flies with, or apt-get install swat, enable it in /etc/inetd.conf if necessary, '/etc/init.d/inetd reload', then point your web browser to http://localhost:901/ |
| 22:29.04 | NOthsouth | foobared, this is the last line now :Jan 13 06:25:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[3849]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily) |
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| 22:30.17 | DJ-Marcuzz | cant connect :S |
| 22:30.31 | foobared | NOthsouth: what does "ps auwx | grep cron" say? |
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| 22:30.57 | streuner | DJ-Marcuzz: check out the docs for swat then (/usr/share/doc/swat/) |
| 22:31.05 | mhall | what happens if you make cron start crons? |
| 22:31.09 | [Ov3R] | hi |
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| 22:31.26 | Ov3R | hi DiOxS |
| 22:31.26 | streuner | mhall: hm? |
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| 22:31.40 | NOthsouth | foobared, root 3191 0.0 0.1 1760 732 ? Ss 08:21 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron |
| 22:31.45 | mhall | and who decided cron did not need an 'h'? |
| 22:32.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | works now |
| 22:32.12 | Aronofsky | hi, i got a problem with symbolic link, I got a dir in /usr/local/ with some scripts in it, i put a link in /usr/local/bin/, for exemple /usr/local/bin/azureus -> /usr/local/azureus2.0/azureus, but the probleme is that is the script uses other scripts, it looks for it in /usr/local/bin instead of /usr/local/azureus2.0 ... any solution ? |
| 22:32.30 | abrotman | mhall: cobol programmers |
| 22:32.32 | DiOxS | arigato Ov3R |
| 22:32.33 | Aronofsky | sorry if its a silly question ... im a beginner |
| 22:32.35 | mhall | streuner: well was wondering if yoy could run the system out of pids for fun |
| 22:32.40 | mhall | abrotman: *gasp* |
| 22:32.45 | juice` | i've installed debian/etch from debootstrap (remote), and when i run 'man' or 'less' or something similar, i can't use pgup/pgdown to scroll the screen, any ideas why? in what package i can control it? i'm using ssh + putty to connect to server, and i have got no such problems before on any host... |
| 22:32.48 | Ov3R | DiOxS cualquier people logo |
| 22:32.48 | Ov3R | xD |
| 22:32.54 | tuv | is bootsplash patch going to be included in debian kernels? |
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| 22:33.01 | DiOxS | os |
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| 22:33.07 | Ov3R | akia |
| 22:33.08 | Ov3R | xD |
| 22:33.14 | DiOxS | impeke |
| 22:33.18 | mhall | DiOxS: Ov3R quit it |
| 22:33.27 | dondelelcaro | DiOxS, Ov3R: please use english on this channel. |
| 22:33.28 | Azar | less uses arrow up/down one line at a time for pgup use Shift PgUP |
| 22:33.33 | DiOxS | ok |
| 22:33.38 | Ov3R | from chile |
| 22:33.46 | streuner | !es |
| 22:33.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:33.47 | Ov3R | speake spanish |
| 22:33.53 | mhall | !tell DiOxS about return |
| 22:33.57 | Ov3R | ok |
| 22:33.58 | Ov3R | cool |
| 22:34.01 | bluenail | Sorry if this is somewhat off topic, but how do I view the raw data (binary) from /dev/ttyS1 ? (or what channel would this be on topic in?) |
| 22:34.04 | mhall | !tell Ov3R about return |
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| 22:34.40 | monteiro | i've this error -> Warning: locale not supported by C library, locale unchanged |
| 22:34.41 | monteiro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:34.51 | mhall | bluenail: hmm you could use dd if=/dev/ttyS1 of=/dev/stdout | od [options from man" |
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| 22:34.56 | mhall | bluenail: hmm you could use dd if=/dev/ttyS1 of=/dev/stdout | od [options from man] * |
| 22:34.58 | dondelelcaro | bluenail: it's a file; you can just read it. |
| 22:35.10 | TNKS | has anyone used subterfugue? I'm wondering what other alternatives there are. |
| 22:35.13 | bluenail | mhall nice |
| 22:35.41 | bluenail | dondelelcargo stuff I've been trying to use (tail, cat, have problems with no beginning or end of file) |
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| 22:36.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | so from my windows box i go to \\192.168.0.35 get an scren with login, so entert root and my passw, but cant log in :S |
| 22:36.16 | Aronofsky | anyone about my sym link problem ? |
| 22:36.33 | mhall | bluenail: see if it works |
| 22:36.36 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that's a new one :) |
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| 22:37.28 | mhall | how come it always seems to be people from south america who use xD and type return too fucking much? |
| 22:37.46 | dondelelcaro | mhall: so ignore all of south america. |
| 22:37.56 | mhall | or is it like the number of licks to the tootsie roll center? i'll never know |
| 22:38.13 | bluenail | mhall hrmm saying that /dev/stdout doesn't exist, I shouldn't have to be root to do this should I? |
| 22:38.20 | mhall | dondelelcaro: note i didn't say everybody from there did it, only that the ones that do it seem to be from there |
| 22:38.26 | mhall | bluenail: try again without the of= |
| 22:38.34 | cafuego | !info ndiswrapper-source |
| 22:38.39 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-source: (Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 126 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 22:38.42 | mhall | bluenail: i think it was a fuckup on my part |
| 22:39.05 | foobared | Aronofsky: cd /usr/local/azureus2.0/azureus in the script || absolute paths in the script || PATH=/usr/local/azureus2.0/azureus:$PATH in the script |
| 22:39.17 | dondelelcaro | bluenail: just dd if=/dev/ttyS1 count=N|od; or whatever you're doing. |
| 22:39.29 | tuv | is the bootsplash patch included in debian kernels? |
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| 22:39.33 | dondelelcaro | tuv: no. |
| 22:39.42 | bluenail | mhall hrmm one sec |
| 22:40.00 | mhall | dondelelcaro: that was about the incantation i gave him earlier |
| 22:40.14 | tuv | dondelelcaro: is it going to be? |
| 22:40.17 | Daveman | hi dondelelcaro |
| 22:40.29 | bluenail | mhall I think this will work once I get the options right |
| 22:40.47 | dondelelcaro | tuv: no; it's pretty much entirely useless and hides useful output. |
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| 22:40.51 | cafuego | can't tell who's mexinca, eh? |
| 22:41.05 | Ronin | mhall: they wont give you one? ;) |
| 22:41.17 | mhall | cafuego: lol, it makes it harder to whois people and figure out why they're saying things certain ways |
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| 22:41.34 | cafuego | mhall: ie: yes ;-) |
| 22:41.34 | foobared | NOthsouth: hm, isn't there any cron.allow or cron.deny in /etc ? |
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| 22:41.50 | NOthsouth | foobared, let me check |
| 22:42.07 | mhall | cafuego: like when i saw tuv's nickname, i began to think technike überwachungs verein |
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| 22:42.10 | NOthsouth | foobared, nop |
| 22:42.26 | mhall | cafuego: but i couldn't check if (s)he was from a place where that phrase is used or not |
| 22:42.29 | NOthsouth | foobared, only .. cron.d cron.daily, cron.hourly, cron.monthly, crontab, cron.weekly |
| 22:42.31 | jfa | hello world |
| 22:42.34 | mhall | cafuego: so i didn't have a way to figure out |
| 22:42.39 | foobared | what does crontab -l say? |
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| 22:43.04 | bluenail | mhall grr keep getting 0 records in and out 0 bytes transfered I think I'm going to have to read the dd info page a bit more thouroghly |
| 22:43.11 | SpeMite | anyone ran enemy-territory i installed it but i get no sound? |
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| 22:43.45 | mhall | bluenail: hold on please; i know what you need |
| 22:44.27 | tuv | does "tuv" refer to a phrase? |
| 22:44.57 | mhall | bluenail: iflag=nonblock |
| 22:45.17 | coolpix | cya |
| 22:45.37 | tuv | mhall: is that supposed to be some sort of expansion of "tuv"? |
| 22:45.44 | mhall | tuv: yes it is |
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| 22:46.07 | tuv | mhall: i hope it's not bad.. i never knew.. in what language is that? |
| 22:46.11 | ulf_ | if i add a user to a new group for example with adduser, to make that aktive the user must logout complete and login or? |
| 22:46.11 | NOthsouth | lol |
| 22:46.17 | NOthsouth | wil I ever use cron |
| 22:46.22 | NOthsouth | ? |
| 22:46.27 | bluenail | mhall /dev/ttyS1 resource unavailable |
| 22:46.28 | tuv | cron is GREAT |
| 22:46.31 | mhall | tuv: Technischer Ãœberwachungsverein ; german |
| 22:46.35 | mhall | bluenail: yeah i got the same thing |
| 22:46.46 | mhall | tuv: technical oversight/supervision society |
| 22:46.50 | NOthsouth | tuv, tell that to my cron |
| 22:46.59 | mhall | tuv: it's like the German / Austrian / Swiss version of UL in America |
| 22:47.24 | bluenail | mhall I'm betting somebody's written a program for just this, but I have no idea what it would be called |
| 22:47.45 | mhall | bluenail: hmm let's have a look |
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| 22:47.46 | tuv | NOthsouth: i'm telling you so you can give him a second chance :) |
| 22:48.15 | tuv | NOthsouth: what can't you do with cron? |
| 22:48.16 | NOthsouth | well. i need to go.. i`ll resolv this later :) thx anyway guys |
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| 22:48.51 | mhall | bluenail: it appears you might have luck with the socat package |
| 22:48.54 | mhall | bluenail: YMMV |
| 22:49.31 | bluenail | mhall where did you search, and what was your querry term? |
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| 22:50.20 | mhall | bluenail: apt-cache search serial raw |
| 22:50.31 | mhall | bluenail: also i found out something else interesting |
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| 22:50.55 | mhall | bluenail: dd if=/dev/input/mice > mouse.bin ... wait ... then ^C works |
| 22:51.13 | mhall | bluenail: so this gives me an idea |
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| 22:52.03 | mhall | bluenail: you get a binary file of funny data that you can cat into od and view |
| 22:52.32 | mhall | bluenail: here's what you need for realtime display |
| 22:52.37 | bluenail | mhall not sure why it would work with redirection, but not without though |
| 22:52.43 | mhall | bluenail: ph34r m3 for 3y3 m 1337 |
| 22:52.46 | mhall | bluenail: sudo dd if=/dev/input/mice bs=1b | od -c |
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| 22:53.01 | mhall | bluenail: sudo optional of course |
| 22:53.06 | bluenail | mhall for that I'd have to install sudo... right |
| 22:53.17 | mhall | bluenail: just use root (TM) |
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| 22:53.21 | chris | has anyone tried to build the ati driver from the sources on whatever dpkg tells you recently ? |
| 22:53.29 | chris | doesn't seem to work, fails to get the right rpm from ati.com |
| 22:53.45 | mhall | bluenail: the reason it doesn't seem to do anything is it's holding the data in blocks for efficiency |
| 22:54.01 | mhall | bluenail: so it won't send any down into the pipe until it has 512 bytes in a default block |
| 22:54.18 | mhall | bluenail: so if you did some real squawky crap on the port it would work, otherwise not as much |
| 22:54.31 | mhall | bluenail: make sense now? |
| 22:54.34 | bluenail | mhall ah, that makes sense, yes |
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| 22:55.24 | bluenail | mhall grr still not getting anything hrmm |
| 22:55.29 | mhall | bluenail: hmm |
| 22:55.42 | mhall | bluenail: did you try on the mouse first |
| 22:55.48 | mhall | bluenail: because you know that should work |
| 22:55.56 | mhall | bluenail: od -x will give you nice hex output |
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| 22:56.27 | factor | what is a good disk repiar program for extX? |
| 22:56.35 | factor | besides fsck |
| 22:56.40 | bluenail | mhall /dev/mouse would go to my ps/aux device btw, so using /dev/ttyS0, but otherwise what you typed, that shouldn't change anything, right? |
| 22:56.50 | eusto | is there a way of setting hw clock to local time rather than to GMT? |
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| 22:57.09 | stew | eusto: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 22:57.15 | mhall | bluenail: yeah tweaking the device file is fine |
| 22:57.17 | eusto | on |
| 22:57.25 | eusto | stew, thanks |
| 22:57.30 | mhall | bluenail: dd if=/dev/mouse bs=1b | od -x |
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| 22:57.44 | stew | mhall: why not od -x < /dev/mouse |
| 22:57.56 | mhall | stew: what is the default read block size |
| 22:57.58 | Estes2 | Hi :) |
| 22:58.00 | Estes2 | Anyone knows if quotas are working with ext3 ? |
| 22:58.02 | bluenail | mhall hrmm doing it on the mouse works (psaux) so I'm guessing my serial port is broken, I feel really stupid now |
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| 22:58.03 | mhall | stew: usually 512 bytes or more |
| 22:58.12 | mhall | stew: which gets a less than speedy output |
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| 22:58.31 | aeronadix | man, this sure is annoying, I can't seem to be able to configure Mozilla to open all video files in an external mplayer, only wmv files do, but others open inside mozilla |
| 22:59.11 | mhall | stew: hmm, no, yours *DOES* work |
| 22:59.24 | mhall | stew: i guess the default read size must be smaller |
| 22:59.31 | g0th | hi, I updated my debian (sid) and now each time I login I get the gnome box but it doesn't disappear until I do sthg (like pressing a key from hotkeys (which starts ok) to start an xterm), I did a ps ax before that and one afterwards (everything starts normally after doing that)... |
| 22:59.48 | stew | mhall: i'd be suprised if it were more than 1b for a shell redirection |
| 22:59.49 | g0th | any idea why it is like that or how I could find the reason? |
| 23:00.01 | mhall | stew: it's got some sort of event loop going: |
| 23:00.06 | mhall | stew: read(0, "(\0\377", 4096) = 3 |
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| 23:00.20 | mhall | stew: it tries for 4096 then re-calls read when it only gets 3 |
| 23:00.33 | mhall | stew: as opposed to dd which must block until it has 512 |
| 23:01.19 | mhall | stew: but yes you have most certainly outh4x3d me on this |
| 23:01.20 | g0th | that's the diff: http://rafb.net/paste/results/55dTPZ47.html |
| 23:01.25 | mhall | bluenail: it might not be anything so bad BTW |
| 23:01.31 | stew | mhall: :) |
| 23:01.52 | mhall | bluenail: did you check your BIOS and your dmesg and make sure that you have setserial installed and properly set up |
| 23:02.09 | mhall | bluenail: also make sure it's the right DCE->DTE serial cable or what the hell ever it's supposed to use |
| 23:03.16 | mhall | at the time one could say i was a honky with an attitude coming unglued |
| 23:03.19 | bluenail | mhall dmesg detects the devices, setserial is new to me as last time I bothered with serial I was using mknod to do my setup (sure it is easier now) but I assumed the presence of the devices means they are set up, guess things change |
| 23:03.20 | g0th | hmm, what exactly happens when one presses enter in the login screen of gdm? |
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| 23:03.41 | mhall | bluenail: setserial is needed to set up the baud rates, stop bits, parity bits, etc. |
| 23:03.43 | g0th | ie. what is invoked when login in using gnome |
| 23:03.54 | mhall | bluenail: without these settings your shit is liable to fuck up |
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| 23:04.05 | stew | g0th: you might try asking in #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 23:04.14 | stew | g0th: or maybe its #debian-gnome i don't remember |
| 23:04.19 | bluenail | mhall that shouldn't be neccicary for just reading raw data realtime (heck, this thing probably doesn't even HAVE stop bits) |
| 23:04.24 | deadcat | SimonRaven: slim 1.2.4 is out. you gonna repackage it? |
| 23:04.42 | mhall | bluenail: no all serieal ports have this stuff, and you can't quite read the raw data out of the serial chip |
| 23:04.57 | ulf_ | i want use minicom as user and want to access /dev/ttyS0, but if i start minicom it says always "Parameter port is private, but is marked public in global config file \ Attempt to change private parameter port - denied" but the user has read and write access to /dev/ttyS0, there is no user ~/.minirc.dfl and if the /etc/minicom/minicom.users is there or not, i always get that error message, and when i try to change the tty from /dev/tty1 to /dev/ttyS0 as user, mi |
| 23:04.58 | mhall | bluenail: if the clock pulses are not aligned, the *chip itself* filters / censors the data |
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| 23:05.31 | g0th | thanks |
| 23:05.38 | bluenail | mhall hrmm ok, guess I'll just have to install setserial and play around with settings until I get the one that fits |
| 23:05.49 | mhall | bluenail: yeah try 9600 8 N 1 |
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| 23:05.57 | mhall | bluenail: that's canonical |
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| 23:06.02 | mhall | bluenail: next up 1200 8 N 1 |
| 23:06.07 | mhall | bluenail: then maybe 2400 8 N 1 |
| 23:06.13 | g0th | hmm, there is no gnome-debian or debian-gnome, only gnome and I already tried to ask there... |
| 23:06.17 | ulf_ | i also added the user to the group dailout as it is written in the manual but it did not change anything, same error, how can i get access to /dev/ttyS0 as user with minicom? |
| 23:06.25 | asg | mhall: now you are really getting back to 80's speeds ;) |
| 23:06.39 | g0th | anyway, for the time beeing I'll leave it as it is (I can still use x after pressing the key)... |
| 23:06.40 | mhall | asg: that's the kind of shit that's on by default though isn't it |
| 23:06.49 | bluenail | mhall thanks, never tried to do serial without a terminal program to handle most of those layers before (my first modem was 1200, I know...) |
| 23:06.53 | mhall | asg: most of the other shit besides that, you must set up yourself |
| 23:06.59 | asg | mhall: true |
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| 23:07.05 | mhall | bluenail: yeah this is why serial ports are sux |
| 23:07.21 | pattieja | anybody know if "idmap_rid" comes with Samba in Debian Sarge by default? |
| 23:07.43 | mhall | asg: i mean if my advice isn't right chime in but those were the three speeds i always remember being told to try |
| 23:07.52 | pattieja | I'm getting a "idmap_init: could not load remote backend 'idmap_rid'" error message |
| 23:07.58 | mhall | asg: 2400 was popular because it was the first speed you couldn't out-type |
| 23:08.04 | pattieja | in /var/log/samba/log.winbindd |
| 23:08.15 | sj- | is there any advantage/disadvantage to using rdate over ntpdate ? |
| 23:08.36 | asg | mhall: agreed, I missed the earlier discussion and you brought back some memories. |
| 23:08.40 | mhall | sj-: having to type more or fewer letters ;-) |
| 23:08.46 | Jake | does the sarga installer thingo have dmraid support? |
| 23:08.55 | sj- | ok good |
| 23:08.57 | sj- | thanks |
| 23:08.58 | mhall | asg: yes. scary ones. |
| 23:09.01 | mhall | sj-: it was a joke |
| 23:09.10 | mhall | sj-: let me see if i can get a real answer ;-) |
| 23:09.18 | asg | mhall: heh, Mighty Mo modem on a C64 connected to Quantum Link ;) |
| 23:09.23 | sj- | thanks mhall |
| 23:09.40 | sj- | quantum link.. oh man.. who here remembers QSD ? |
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| 23:10.12 | mhall | sj-: yeah alright, i was looking and i see the difference from apt-cache show output |
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| 23:10.30 | asg | sj-: if you are serious about time, install ntp-simple |
| 23:10.30 | mhall | sj-: ntpdate is going to be more accurate and easier to work with because it uses a newer more precise time protocol |
| 23:10.48 | mhall | sj-: rdate relied on an ancient relatively imprecise and hence now unused daemon |
| 23:10.59 | edrx | what is the recommended way to keep a debian mirror up to date? I copied a sarge mirror to my HD (from the HD of a friend) a few months before sarge stabilized, and I would like to update it... |
| 23:11.02 | sj- | alrighty |
| 23:11.11 | asg | cipo: please turn that off |
| 23:11.20 | mhall | sj-: if you don't reboot much you'd better try a daemon |
| 23:11.35 | pattieja | samba version 3.0.14a-3sarge |
| 23:11.44 | mhall | sj-: ntpdate just runs on reboot mostly |
| 23:12.20 | pattieja | edrx, rsync? |
| 23:12.29 | kspath | ntpdate to catch up to VERY wrong time ntpd or openntpd to keep it up to date thereafter |
| 23:12.30 | mhall | edrx: yeah rsync is canonical |
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| 23:12.33 | stew | edrx: http://debian.org/mirrors |
| 23:12.40 | sj- | mhall - i just want this 'superblock last write time is in the future' problem to go away that popped up after a recent package upgrade.. read that i need to set my rtc to utc to fix it.. which i hope holds true |
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| 23:12.49 | mhall | kspath: some people do not need that kind of precision; also don't forget chrony |
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| 23:13.15 | mhall | sj-: /etc/default/rcS and tzconfig and ntpdate are your friends for this job |
| 23:13.29 | mhall | sj-: fix the first two then the third will get you in sync |
| 23:13.31 | pattieja | samba anyone? |
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| 23:13.39 | mhall | sj-: then hwclock --systohc to write it out into your bios chip |
| 23:13.41 | nekostar | !testing |
| 23:13.41 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
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| 23:13.44 | asg | sj-: also, removing the symlink from /etc/timezone and replacing it with the actual file will solve the issue more or less, though, as proposed, it's an ugly hack. |
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| 23:13.54 | nekostar | hey |
| 23:13.57 | pattieja | I don't think this samba question is specific to the #samba channel since it's technically for debian |
| 23:13.58 | mhall | asg: hence why tzconfig exists |
| 23:14.00 | nekostar | how is etch running? |
| 23:14.17 | mhall | !tell pattieja about ask |
| 23:14.19 | mhall | !tell pattieja about repeat |
| 23:14.36 | mhall | pattieja: just give it time and come back a little later around beer o'clock when more people are online |
| 23:14.55 | asg | mhall: that just symlinks to a /usr/share/* which isn't mounted at the time the check for /etc/timezone is made (on some systems) causing the issue. |
| 23:15.01 | grim76 | Installing Debian on a system with a A7n8X deluxe mobo I am not able to get the installation to start it hangs at the point of loading sd_mod. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:15.05 | sj- | utc=yes in my rcS file, my timezone is set correctly.. just need to fetch the current utc and write it to my hwclock |
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| 23:15.31 | wt | anyone here know about storage |
| 23:15.38 | wt | I am looking for deals on 3TB |
| 23:15.39 | asg | wt: storage of what? |
| 23:15.47 | KerPlunk | !tell pattieja about enter |
| 23:15.48 | wt | hard drives |
| 23:16.02 | asg | wt: look at Coraid ATAoE systems. You can get 7TB for ~10k |
| 23:16.03 | wt | more likely NAS |
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| 23:16.10 | bucky | pattieja: i think it is because i see a reference to it here |
| 23:16.11 | bucky | http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20060106.003707.35cf1f6f.en.html#samba |
| 23:16.20 | wt | is ATAoE supported on Linux? |
| 23:16.24 | asg | wt: yes |
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| 23:16.34 | asg | wt: the spec and drivers are completely open. |
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| 23:17.08 | bucky | grim76: you might need a newer kernel to support that /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 23:17.13 | wt | but is support included in the mainline? |
| 23:17.24 | wt | okay 2.6.14 |
| 23:17.25 | asg | wt: it is in newer 2.6 kernels |
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| 23:17.31 | grim76 | Thanks I found it I started the installation with the 2.6 Kernel thanks. |
| 23:17.43 | wt | I am dealing with CentOS on the servers, unfortunately |
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| 23:18.15 | asg | wt: well, then you are likely in the 2.4.2x realm. Still, you can probably patch them. |
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| 23:18.48 | wt | crap |
| 23:18.55 | wt | is ISCSI better supported? |
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| 23:19.17 | bluenail | ok I've got to be going thanks! |
| 23:19.24 | asg | wt: dunno, I only use Debian on our servers. |
| 23:19.35 | eusto | i really can't get my hwclock to be set to localtime:(. UTC is set to 'no' in rcS, any idea as to where else i shoud look? |
| 23:19.51 | wt | asg: I just started here, give me time |
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| 23:19.56 | KerPlunk | !tell eusto about hwclock |
| 23:19.56 | wt | hehe |
| 23:20.09 | wt | !tell me about ataoe |
| 23:20.10 | asg | wt: you might also consult #redhat and #centos |
| 23:20.23 | KerPlunk | !tell wt about msgdpkg |
| 23:20.37 | asg | eusto: /sbin/hwclock --systohc |
| 23:20.39 | KerPlunk | eh, who changed the hwclock factoid |
| 23:20.41 | eleazar | hi, i have this weird problem, i cant see my mouse pointer (i can click and all) but i cant see the pointer, any suggestions? |
| 23:20.42 | pattieja | bucky, thanks |
| 23:20.46 | asg | eusto: do that as root |
| 23:20.57 | asg | KerPlunk: /msg dpkg factinfo hwclock |
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| 23:20.59 | eusto | asg, thanks man |
| 23:21.02 | pattieja | how do I determine what ./configure parameters were used to build a package? |
| 23:21.40 | KerPlunk | eleazar: What window manager are you using, and what version of debian, what version of X, what type of mouse, eleazar please try to be more eleborate when asking questions. |
| 23:21.40 | asg | KerPlunk: and grepper needs to be kicked in the nuggets for providing one of the most useless factoid updates I've ever seen. |
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| 23:22.05 | bucky | pattieja: sometimes it will say in /usr/share/doc/samba/changelog or someting |
| 23:22.11 | pattieja | thanks |
| 23:22.32 | asg | pattieja: also, you can download the src package and look at the debian/rules file |
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| 23:23.02 | eleazar | KerPlunk, im using IceWM, USB Mouse, and im using the xfree86 version that comes with sarge |
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| 23:23.26 | eleazar | KerPlunk, im using IceWM, USB Mouse, and im using the xfree86 version that comes with sarge |
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| 23:24.05 | pattieja | asg, thanks. Downloading src package |
| 23:24.06 | simmers | does anybody know of a small, debian-based linux distro (sub-256mb) that provides X11 and wireless support? |
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| 23:24.28 | KerPlunk | eleazar: Did you change your settings and configuration for IceWM/X at all? |
| 23:24.33 | pattieja | simmers, you might be able to update pebble |
| 23:24.42 | eleazar | KerPlunk no |
| 23:25.05 | simmers | pattieja: thanks. i'll check it out |
| 23:25.06 | KerPlunk | eleazar: Did you ever see your mouse pointer, or is this a fresh install? |
| 23:25.21 | eleazar | KerPlunk this is a fresh install.. |
| 23:25.56 | KerPlunk | eleazar: So you've never seen the mouse cursor..but you can actually use your mouse, clicking and all...but with no visible cursor to follow on your screen? |
| 23:26.01 | bucky | simmers: damn small linux |
| 23:26.12 | eleazar | KerPlunk thats right |
| 23:26.37 | pattieja | eleazar, you may need to enable or disable hardware mouse (or similar option) in X |
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| 23:26.46 | simmers | bucky: ive tried DSL - i did a HD install and it produced some knoppix system that looked rather messed up |
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| 23:27.14 | KerPlunk | eleazar: I don't really have any idea...but if it was me, I would try plugging the mouse into a new port, then ask in #xorg |
| 23:27.20 | bucky | simmers: did your wireless work? |
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| 23:27.24 | [sr] | people |
| 23:27.25 | [sr] | i just forgot |
| 23:27.30 | [sr] | how can i set the timezone |
| 23:27.32 | [sr] | to GMT ? |
| 23:27.38 | asg | [sr]: tzconfig |
| 23:27.40 | [sr] | tzconfig doesn't have that option |
| 23:27.41 | simmers | bucky: yes. until the system rebooted and lost the changes |
| 23:27.50 | eleazar | KerPlunk i changed the mouse to a new port and its the same thing.. i will ask in xorg, thanks |
| 23:27.53 | KerPlunk | eleazar: It's something to do with X most likely, you need to edit your xfree86 config. |
| 23:28.05 | [sr] | asg it doesn't have that option |
| 23:28.18 | asg | [sr]: 8 -> London (should take care of it) |
| 23:28.21 | eleazar | KerPlunk: im gonna try dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 23:28.33 | KerPlunk | !tell eleazar about configure xf4 |
| 23:28.40 | bucky | simmers: that's probably the best experience you'll have with a 50 M distro |
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| 23:28.48 | simmers | lol |
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| 23:28.51 | KerPlunk | eleazar: I would play around with the mouse settings and try something different to see if that helps. |
| 23:28.56 | [sr] | asg ya but, i chosse Europe/Lisbon and it is in WET and that's not true |
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| 23:29.25 | asg | [sr]: is your hardware clock alread set to GMT? |
| 23:29.31 | _blue_ | hey guys, trying to change permissions on a dir to allow all users on the box access to it, i've tried chmod -R 777 /pathto/dir/ and that didnt work |
| 23:29.36 | _blue_ | any ideas on what i'm doing wrong? |
| 23:29.39 | _blue_ | ?? |
| 23:29.50 | [sr] | asg no idea, how can i do that? |
| 23:29.53 | asg | _blue_: the parent directory may not be configured to allow access |
| 23:30.00 | brisko | I have big trouble with a storage over 2TB. Any suggestion for the right channel? |
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| 23:30.17 | asg | [sr]: /sbin/hwclock (does that say GMT or something else) |
| 23:30.22 | syphox | heya.. i need to get the loopback devices installed.. (/dev/loop1 .. /dev/loop0 etc..) how do i insatll them? |
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| 23:30.28 | _blue_ | asg: is there anyway i can make the parent dir not available but have a specific dr available? |
| 23:30.33 | asg | syphox: modprobe loop (iirc) |
| 23:30.34 | _blue_ | dir* |
| 23:30.40 | [sr] | asg flecha:~# hwclock |
| 23:30.40 | [sr] | Qua 18 Jan 2006 23:31:36 WET -0.773044 seconds |
| 23:30.41 | [sr] | :P |
| 23:30.52 | syphox | FATAL: Module loop not found. |
| 23:31.01 | asg | _blue_: you can but each parent in the chain will require at least +x |
| 23:31.05 | nkuttler | syphox: did you build your own kernel? |
| 23:31.11 | asg | syphox: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 23:31.25 | syphox | i guess it is |
| 23:31.34 | syphox | 2.6.13.2 |
| 23:31.36 | syphox | yea |
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| 23:31.47 | nkuttler | syphox: there you go configuring it again... |
| 23:31.48 | _blue_ | asg: so if /mnt/shared is the dir i want to give permissions to, i need to give /mnt/ +x to all users? |
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| 23:32.08 | syphox | oki hehe |
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| 23:32.26 | asg | _blue_: at least. +r is helpful if they don't know the whole path and want to use ls(1) |
| 23:32.42 | [sr] | asg any idea? |
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| 23:33.26 | asg | [sr]: well, set the time in your bios to GMT and use hwclock --hctosys to set things locally. That should work |
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| 23:33.55 | asg | [sr]: also, check /etc/default/rcS and set UTC=yes (if it isn't already) |
| 23:34.01 | sj- | sr - are you having that 'superblock last write time is in the future' problem too? |
| 23:34.59 | _blue_ | asg: so chmod -R 767 /mnt && chmod -R 777 /mnt/shared |
| 23:35.09 | [sr] | asg ham nothing changed |
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| 23:35.27 | _blue_ | to give permissions to +r and +x in /mnt and all permissions in /mnt/shared |
| 23:35.45 | asg | _blue_: well, 767 should have already provided that and more in /mnt |
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| 23:36.08 | Jake | How does one get the Home+End keys to work |
| 23:36.09 | asg | _blue_: if this is really a mountpoint and not just an example, look at the mount manpage for uid/gid options. |
| 23:36.24 | Jake | they arent working by default, in my new sparkling sarge install :( |
| 23:36.28 | asg | [sr]: well, you'd have to reboot to fix your bios clock. |
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| 23:36.48 | Qalimas | How can I change the settings of, then restart, GNOME's remote desktop? |
| 23:36.54 | typewriter | so if i want to run an accesspoint i use hostapd? |
| 23:37.16 | _blue_ | asg: well yea this is a mount point, but i still dont see why that command above wont give user access if you say that the users already have more than 767 already in /mnt |
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| 23:39.33 | AlexW | Im just wondering, may not nessecarily be a debian issue, my hdd is in, it shows in boot, but when i goto install Debian it sits there trying to load ISOFS and the HDD light is stuck on red |
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| 23:40.08 | sj- | asg - how would you store the current utc time to your bios clock at shutdown/reboot so when the computer comes back up again, the bios clock should be set to the correct utc? |
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| 23:40.18 | grim76 | AlexW: You might have to do the same thing that I did and install with the 2.6 Kernel. |
| 23:40.27 | amphi | sj-: hwclock |
| 23:40.47 | amphi | sj-: hwclock --systohc --utc to be precise |
| 23:40.55 | sj- | thanks |
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| 23:41.08 | AlexW | brb reboot |
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| 23:41.56 | Aid` | hey, how do i setup quake2? |
| 23:42.21 | Aid` | i did 'apt-get install quake2' |
| 23:42.24 | Aid` | but then what else |
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| 23:42.44 | wt | does anyone know if the adaptec 7211C is supported in Sarge? |
| 23:42.51 | Eno_ | Does it come with docs? Maybe look in /usr/share/doc/quake2 |
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| 23:43.04 | rue_mohr | how do I (via debian means) get dhcpd to ignore interfaces |
| 23:43.07 | rue_mohr | ? |
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| 23:43.33 | rue_mohr | its telling me I didn't declare a subnet for an interface to dont want it to do anything iwth |
| 23:43.50 | Qalimas | How can I change the settings of, then restart, GNOME's remote desktop? |
| 23:44.04 | xam | rue_mohr: edit /etc/default/dhcp3-server |
| 23:44.28 | brisko | after a reboot all partitions of our storage (2.4TB) are missing |
| 23:44.39 | rue_mohr | xam... |
| 23:44.50 | brisko | proc_partitions only knows one partition |
| 23:44.51 | Aid` | no wt no docs |
| 23:45.01 | wt | figures...hehe |
| 23:45.04 | brisko | parted still show all of them ... |
| 23:45.12 | rue_mohr | OOoooo... |
| 23:45.23 | rue_mohr | accpet in debian its called /etc/default/dhcp |
| 23:45.30 | brisko | has somebody any suggestions (maybe of the correct channel ;-))? |
| 23:45.35 | Aid` | so any words of advice wt? |
| 23:45.44 | amphi | sj-: IIRC that's done by shutdown scripts anyway, assuming you configured for hw clock set to utc |
| 23:45.50 | xam | rue_mohr: ahh. you are still using dhcp v2 ... |
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| 23:46.27 | rue_mohr | :/ whats wrong with that? |
| 23:46.39 | xam | rue_mohr: nothing ;) |
| 23:46.48 | wt | adaptec is looking really good |
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| 23:46.58 | wt | I am hoping that the card is supported by debian |
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| 23:47.01 | adrakoa | hi |
| 23:47.10 | xam | rue_mohr: v3 has some more features I need ... |
| 23:47.36 | rue_mohr | xam THANKS! you dont know how much hastle that saves me on a bunch of my machines |
| 23:47.42 | rue_mohr | I been looking for that for a while |
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| 23:48.12 | xam | rue_mohr: no problem, glad I could help |
| 23:49.15 | brisko | isn' |
| 23:49.29 | brisko | isn't ther anybody who can give me a hint? |
| 23:49.44 | Aid` | how do i reconfigure a package? |
| 23:50.12 | bahamat | Aid`: dpkg-reconfigure pkgname |
| 23:50.14 | adrakoa | Aid` man dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 23:50.45 | adrakoa | bahamat you are faster :) |
| 23:51.21 | bahamat | adrakoa: and I didn't even bother for a while |
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| 23:52.12 | jeanseb | hello, I would like to install lincvs on debian 3.1 but apt-get install lincvs cannot find the package. Any thoughs? |
| 23:52.41 | ddfire | hi |
| 23:52.52 | sj- | amphi - iirc? err, what does that have to do with setting the bios clock on shutdown/reboot? |
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| 23:53.41 | bdc34 | jeanseb: apt-cache search lincvs |
| 23:53.52 | xam | !find lincvs sarge |
| 23:53.54 | dpkg | lincvs: (graphical CVS frontend), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 1.4.0-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 1178 kB, Installed size: 3696 kB |
| 23:54.12 | ddfire | i need some help, i am making a ram disk , i need it like 500M (i have 1GB of RAM) i am using the kernel 2.6.14-2-386 some help please |
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| 23:54.16 | jeanseb | bdc34: let me try |
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| 23:55.21 | jeanseb | bdc34: what is apt-cache search lincvs supposed to do? |
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| 23:56.10 | ddfire | i cant make it larger than 7 MB |
| 23:56.30 | xam | jeanseb: you have to add 'non-free' to your /etc/apt/sources list if 'apt-cache search' doesn't find info for lincvs |
| 23:57.18 | jeanseb | xam: yeah apt-cache search lincvs does not find anything. What is it supposed to do? |
| 23:57.30 | adrakoa | jeanseb apt-get update |
| 23:57.34 | CcSsNET | haha |
| 23:57.55 | bdc34 | jeanseb: it searches for lincvs |
| 23:57.58 | jeanseb | adrakoa; already tried this before |
| 23:58.04 | Aid` | anyone here install quake2 on debian before? |
| 23:58.05 | jeanseb | bdc34: thanks |
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| 23:58.42 | odal | how do i stop X when I am at the GDM |
| 23:58.44 | jeanseb | xam: /etc/apt/sources does not exists |
| 23:59.03 | xam | jeanseb: edit /etc/apt/sources, add 'non-free' after 'main' or 'contrib', do a 'apt-get update' and you should be able to install libcvs then |
| 23:59.05 | grim76 | jeanseb: should be sources.list |
| 23:59.13 | xam | sources.list |
| 23:59.18 | adrakoa | jeanseb /etc/apt/sources.lst, man apt |
| 23:59.21 | odal | it's not recognizing my mouse or keyboard and i want to reconfigure X but i can't stop GDM from loading and i can't get to a command prompt |
| 23:59.52 | xam | jeanseb: sorry, I thought you would know at least the basics ;) |
